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From: newton@monty.apana.org.au (Mark Newton)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: apology (Re: Chris Karadaglis hates KYLIE)
Organization: APANA South Australia
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 13:26:42 +1030

jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes:
> ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
> 
> => >In <1993Jan15.032810.4620@freenet.carleton.ca> aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:
> 
> {{ To summarise, Iain Pidcock, from Canada, apologizes for upsetting
>    a few people about his anti-Kylie comments in aus.music.  Now,
>    Chris replies:
> }}
> 
> =>Gee, and you were doing so well up til now... go ahead, dump it on
> =>the bitch, most of us hate her too.
> 
> Most of us do NOT hate her.  It is just a few individuals like yourself
> that do all the yelling and screaming for absolutely no reason.
> And what a fine example you are to our Canadian friend who wrote
> the apology letter!  I hope he doesn't think that all Australians
> hate their own music, like you do!  While strong efforts are
> being made to promote our music overseas, you just give it all a big
> slap in the face with your anti-Kylie comments.  Hang your head in shame.

Jamie!  You're hysterical, calm down!

Why do people like you rave on about your "unaustralian" garbage whenever
someone says they don't like the music from an Australian artist?

Do you think we should all be compelled to enjoy all Australian music
simply because it's Australian?  Be serious.

I, for one, can't stand Kylie's music.  It doesn't fit within the bounds
of my taste;  it sounds tinny, electronic and basically fake.  I swich
off the radio whenever I am unfortunate enough to hear her on it, and
my house doesn't have a single Kylie CD in it.

So, she's a successful Australian.  Big, fat, hairy deal.  I wish her the
best of luck in Great Britain, but I also wish she'd stop foisting her
infantile garbage on Australian music lovers like myself.

    - mark

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Fab_Groups
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 23:07:14 GMT


In article <1993Jan20.065340.2045@g2syd.genasys.com.au>, johnw@g2syd.genasys.com.au (John Williams) writes:

[ ]

try emailing jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia). His tastes are
RIGHT DOWN your alley

(ohMyGod!)

brian
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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: G&R's worst song
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:07:55 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
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	i used to respect the Gunnas
	i dont care what anyone else says
	but Knocking on Heavens door is the worst song
Guns and Roses ever wrote!

					CE
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:39:13 GMT


In article <1993Jan25.041320.1303@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:
|> 
|> Oh oh.  Misunderstood again.  Please, no one is suggesting
|> banning anything.  I am the last person to suggest censorship
|> and such like.  I just thought that it would be useful if
|> people stopped to think about what they are listening to.

If you hadn't had made such cut-and-dried statements in the beginning
(more 'research' perhaps) you wouldn't have been interpreted so.

I agree with your last sentance wholeheartedly. What people need
is the ability to think for themselves, not mass xenophobia.

Also, think about why Ice T wrote "Cop Killer". I'm not condoning
the song - just asking you to think about it. I think that the end
product of the song diverted all attention from the issue it _should_ 
have addressed (IMHO) and onto Mr T.

brian
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From: alexk@otc.otca.oz.au (Alex Kowalenko)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Sydney's Opera in the Park.
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:10:12 GMT
Organization: R&D, OTC Sydney, Australia

Last Saturday I went to the Festival of Sydney's Opera in the Park, in which the Australian
Opera performed Gouard's Romeo and Julliet.

I was totally amazed with the composition of crowd in the Domain.  There was a large ammount
of people who probably wouldn't be caught dead listening to an opera on the radio or
watching one on the ABC/SBS.  Also a large amount of these people where not really
listening to the performance in the park, they were chatting about what they did
last week, giggling (under the influence), watching the rest of the crowd,
and annoying other serious opera lovers.

Don't get me wrong, but it seemed that a large amount of people there where not for 
the opera.

(I'm not complaining again Annette, and I would probably go again next year.
Especially if they do a Mozart opera).

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From: brian@coombs.anu.edu.au (Brian)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Threat to "Out" anti-sex politicia
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:23:35 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>In article <Gary.Woodman.927.727399044@anu.edu.au>,
>    Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman) writes:

>| I'll come clean and say I have some sympathy for Eros, its associates and 
>| its stand on these matters, but does anyone else find this implied threat 
>| more than a little sinister?

>Not at all; it's just a mailing list after all, and they are traded
>regularly.  Are _you_ on that list? :-)

	Most probably.  After all, as you said, those lists are traded
(usually without the permission of the people on them).  I know I've
recieved unsolicited mail addressed to me personally, and upon inquiries
found that my name was supplied by a completely different organisation.  Such
trading of mailing lists is something that does indeed disturb me.
	However, as Mr.Swan made the point in the weekend papers, the evidence
that he's threatening to use in his "outing" comes more from anecdotal evidence
provided by staff at the various shops.  Which of course raises the question
of its accurracy, now doesn't it? 

>Now, let's discuss the hypocrisy of those who condemn the sex industry,
>while making use of it.  That, to me, is _sinister_ ...

	No, I don't think "sinister" is the right word Dave.  Hypocracy of
the worst kind because are they not only lying to the public but it would
appear to themselves as well.  That sort of personality has _severe_
problems IMO.


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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: mrj@moria.cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)
Subject: Expenditure Tax
Reply-To: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:48:32 GMT

Did anyone see the article in today's Australian concerning
an expendidure tax?  It was very interesting.

How it works:
------------
You are taxed according to your expenditure in a given year,
calculated by subtracting your net increase in savings over
the year from your income.

Advantages:
----------
* Encourages savings -- they are not taxed.  Discourages consumption.
* Can be easily made progressive.
* Simplifies the tax system and is easy to administer.
* Provides a disincentive for retirees from "double dipping" (they
  must spend their lump-sum slowly to avoid high marginal tax rates).
* Handles fairly people who have wildly varying incomes from year to year.
* Can easily be made hard to evade.
* Rates can be varied to control the economy in a way that does not
  hurt investment (unlike interest rates).

Any comments, supporters, problems?

Mark
From: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: The Alliance for Democratic Reform
Summary: Reply to John Gallant
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:55:09 GMT
Reply-To: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)
Distribution: aus
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia


In article <1jkqbiINNrj1@manuel.anu.edu.au> johng@cres.anu.edu.au writes:
>
>1.	Why was the word "Alliance" chosen as part of the name? An
>	alliance of what/whom?

As our brochure states: "The ALLIANCE for DEMOCRATIC REFORM aims
to UNITE the dozens of small groups and thousands of individuals all
desirous of changing the system.  Our platform is deliberately LIMITED
in order to unite as many groups as possible and allow room for regional
additions and variations."

That is, strength through cooperation.

>
>2.	On page 5 of the brochure there is a sentence "ADR's policy is
>	that State Governments should be abolished". This is not
>	presented as being part of the Core Platform. I'm not asking for
>	a defence of this policy, but I would like to know the status of
>	this policy, and, more generally, what is the difference between
>	"policy" and "platform".

We certainly believe State Governments should be replaced by regional
governments, but as this would require a referendum we aim to build a
consensus for such a change through debate.  It is therefore a long-term
goal (in contrast to our economic policies and our referendum policy).

Our platform is ADR's complete set of policies -- our manifesto.
ADR candidates can present an expanded platform by adding other
policies or by holding different opinions on some of our core platform.

I'll give a brief defence of State->regional government anyway.
The advantages I see are:
	- Greater diversity of public policy solutions.  Will have
	  competitive regionalism rather than competitive federalism.
	- Will cut out one level of large bureaucracy.
	- Greater local autonomy and responsiveness.
	- Will stimulate decentralisation.
	- Fits well into a multi-member constituency national
	  electoral system.
Of course the major challenge is to determine the division of
responsibilities between the national and the regional governments.
We must balance diversity and autonomy with efficiency and the concept
of a "common-wealth" (cross-subsidation and coordination between
regions).  I don't think the change would be valid if the total
bureaucracy grows.

I can progressively post our policies if there is interest.
Alternatively I'll cop a debate on a policy of your choosing:
government structure, the electoral system, electronic referendums,
industrial relations, tariffs, taxation, employment, exchange rate policy,
rural support, and the environment (though I'm not an expert in the last two).

Mark
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Threat to "Out" anti-sex politicia
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:57:33 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <Gary.Woodman.927.727399044@anu.edu.au>,
    Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman) writes:

| I'll come clean and say I have some sympathy for Eros, its associates and 
| its stand on these matters, but does anyone else find this implied threat 
| more than a little sinister?

Not at all; it's just a mailing list after all, and they are traded
regularly.  Are _you_ on that list? :-)

Now, let's discuss the hypocrisy of those who condemn the sex industry,
while making use of it.  That, to me, is _sinister_ ...

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dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
From: axolotl@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: The Republic: An Issue To Ponder...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:52:27 +1100
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: syzygy.socs.uts.edu.au

brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
 >It'd be nice to think that one day Australia could actually make a major
 >decision about itself in its own right rather than have the outcome largely
 >determined by external forces.

How exactly will becoming a republic make us less susceptible to
"external forces"?
  
There'll be plenty of "external forces" if our constitution is remodelled on
(god forbid) the US model.
From: johng@csc2.anu.edu.au (John Gallant)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: The Alliance for Democratic Reform
Date: 21 Jan 1993 00:22:10 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: aus
Reply-To: johng@cres.anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.59.4
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Having responded to a discussion on "The Limits of Democracy", I was
already on the mailing list of the ADR and have received some brochures.
I am interested and in broad agreement with the directions of ADR, but I
have a couple of questions:

1.	Why was the word "Alliance" chosen as part of the name? An
	alliance of what/whom?

2.	On page 5 of the brochure there is a sentence "ADR's policy is
	that State Governments should be abolished". This is not
	presented as being part of the Core Platform. I'm not asking for
	a defence of this policy, but I would like to know the status of
	this policy, and, more generally, what is the difference between
	"policy" and "platform".

Thanks. I hope we see some more discussion here.

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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
Subject: Re: Expenditure Tax
Organization: Telecom Australia Research Laboratories
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:13:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.064832.29662@cs.su.oz.au> mrj@moria.cs.su.oz.au (Mark
James) writes:
>Did anyone see the article in today's Australian concerning
>an expendidure tax?  It was very interesting.
>
>How it works:
>------------
>You are taxed according to your expenditure in a given year,
>calculated by subtracting your net increase in savings over
>the year from your income.
>
>Advantages:
>----------
>* Encourages savings -- they are not taxed.  Discourages consumption.
>* Can be easily made progressive.
>* Simplifies the tax system and is easy to administer.
>* Provides a disincentive for retirees from "double dipping" (they
>  must spend their lump-sum slowly to avoid high marginal tax rates).
>* Handles fairly people who have wildly varying incomes from year to year.
>* Can easily be made hard to evade.
>* Rates can be varied to control the economy in a way that does not
>  hurt investment (unlike interest rates).
>
>Any comments, supporters, problems?

Possibly the biggest problem with this method is that the Government no longer
gets the tax revenue that the tax on savings interest now generates.  Now if
the Government really wanted the benefits of expenditure taxation then this
loss of revenue could be overcome somehow or other but I think the Government
and its bureaucracy have too much inertia to consider a change as profound as
this.

You only have to look at the record with inflation adjustment of taxation.  One
of the arguments against this was that (like expenditure tax) it would reduce
tax revenue from tax on savings interest.  It was recognized that this
reduction in revenue would also occur if inflation was brought down and
interest rates with it, and the Government seems to cope with that somehow, so
the arguement about inflation adjustment causing a loss of revenue problem was
a furphy.

All the other arguments against inflation adjustment of taxation were furphys
also.  The real reason the Government didn't want to consider it was because
the Treasury was idealogically opposed to anything that recognized the
existence of inflation.

So, as far as expenditure taxation goes, if there is any idealogical reason why
the Government doesn't like it, it hasn't got a hope.

Chris O'Neill
Telecom Reseearch Labs
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: phil@trl.oz.au (Phillip Bouchier)
Subject: Re: The Republic: An Issue To Ponder...
Reply-To: phil@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:15:15 GMT

In article 1k5m0rINNq6f@syzygy.socs.uts.EDU.AU, axolotl@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Iain Sinclair) writes:
>brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>How exactly will becoming a republic make us less susceptible to
>"external forces"?
>  

Being a republic will create the mind set of independance.
Lets have a new flag!
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Clever Voting
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:52:08 CST
 <1993Jan6.000915.16335@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <dyfl.726282282@phobos> 
 <1993Jan6.024402.25318@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <chris.726732340@suite.sw.oz.au>
Keywords: federal elections

chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:

>Finally, for the Senate, you may be surprised how far your preferences
>may travel, even if you vote for a major party (hah!). Don't fall into
>the trap of numbering left to right after a certain point, nor into
>the trap of voting above the line. It's worth taking the time and
>studying the sample paper they publish in newspapers before the election
>and working out exactly what your preferences are, and then bringing that
>with you to the booth.

Indeed. The number of people I spoke to who, at the last
federal election, started numbering their senate paper with
33 Rona Joiner
and worked out the rest later was amazing.


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From: Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Distribution: world
Subject: sending mail to fidonet
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:27:21 +1000

On Fri 08 Jan at 13:13 u5533129@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au wrote:

 u> I want to send mail to a user on Fidonet.  The address of 
 u> the board is given as 3:634/289 and, initially, I want to 
 u> send to myself, Peter Summers.  What is the correct 
 u> address to use?

Peter.Summers@f289.n634.z3.fidonet.org, as z3.fidonet.org mail enters Fidonet
in Melbourne.

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From: Matt.Jeffries@f305.n670.z3.fidonet.org (Matt Jeffries)
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Fortress
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:03:00

Could somebody please clear up a query I have?
Fortress, the new movie with Christopher Lambert seems to have very 
similar sets to Highlander 2. Is the prison in Fortress the same as 
the company headquarters in Highlander 2. I mean its understandable, 
why build new sets and hire a new actor when all the stuff already 
exists from a previous movie. 
Does anyone know if i am right - Highlander was filmed at Warner 
Bros. studios on the Gold Coast, where was Fortress filmed?
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(3:670/305)
From: hamster@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Re: Fortress
Distribution: world
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Date: 26 Jan 93 23:15:18 AEDT
Organization: Disorganized...

In article <728019078.AA05860@csource.oz.au> Matt.Jeffries@f305.n670.z3.fidonet.org (Matt Jeffries) writes:

> Could somebody please clear up a query I have?
> Fortress, the new movie with Christopher Lambert seems to have very
> similar sets to Highlander 2. Is the prison in Fortress the same as
> the company headquarters in Highlander 2. I mean its understandable,
> why build new sets and hire a new actor when all the stuff already
> exists from a previous movie.
> Does anyone know if i am right - Highlander was filmed at Warner
> Bros. studios on the Gold Coast, where was Fortress filmed?

"Fortress" was shot at Warner Roadshow Studios on the Gold Coast, but I was
under the impression that Highlander II was in fact shot in England... I
don't have a copy here I can check, and the press kit makes no mention of
where it was shot.

As for re-using sets; it's possible that, if the two films were shot at the
same place, certain parts of the set from Highlander II may have been
recycled, but the entire set, as a whole, would not exist any more. Stdio
space is too valuable to leave entire sets still up and doing nothing.


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Newsgroups: aus.films
From: neville@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Neville Smith)
Subject: Re: Fortress
Reply-To: neville@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Neville Smith)
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:55:12 GMT

At the end of the credits of Fortress it said :
Filmed on location in Queensland, Australia.

Nothing like outback Australia for those shots of a
desolate landscape ala Mad Max.
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Newsgroups: aus.films
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: Goodies ep guide
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:14:46 GMT

David Carroll writes:

>A couple of months ago somebody posted a Goodies episode guide in this
>very newsgroup (unless my memory's going with the rest of me) and, um,
>I lost it. If anyone has a copy I would be most grateful if it
>could me mailed to me or reposted.

  Whoever has a copy of this, please repost it, as I'd like to see it too.
  Out of interest, does anyone know whether The Goodies is ever going to be
rescreened in Oz?  It's been a long time between repeats!

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From: sjm@cocamrd.mel.cocam.oz.au (John Machin)
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Highway 61
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:43:53 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz

Haven't seen any comment on this film, so here's my two cents' worth:

Comparing it with the other movie in the extremely limited genre of rock
& roll road movies involving roof-top coffins ... "Leningrad Cowboys" is
funnier, has a Caddie instead of a Ford, and *doesn't* have a dog named
"Iggy Pup".



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