From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: On Indian Civilization being the oldeest..
Keywords: Tamils and Mahabharat war, the migration of dravidians
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:59:54 GMT


Subject: Re: Ancient Indian History
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Keywords: Aryan, Dravidian

In article <BxJ50y.GCM@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
> In article <BxIxMG.8F1@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
> >
> >In article <92314.101858RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> >> In his `Genes, Peoples and Languages', (Sci. Am. Nov 91) Luigi Cavalli-Sforza
> >> classifies the following groups as caucasoid:
> >> 
> >> Selvakumar?  Is it Tamil?  -:)
> >
> >[1]  There are some scholars who think that Sumerian is Dravidian and 
> >     some others think that the Elamite language and culture might 
> >     be proto-Elamo-Dravidian, and there are still others who think
> >     Dravidians could be related to Egyptian....These theories 
> >     have not been shown to be sufficiently convincing.
> 
> You have stated that arguments about dravidian migration to south india are
> not convincing. But at the same time you ask for the following!

    Although I have read several of these theories from various sources,
    Dr. Rohit Parikh might have some source which I might not
    have read and hence the following.
> 
> >     clear (northwest to east and then south). I would appreciate if 
> >     someone can post points cited by scholars 
> >     to argue about the flow of dravidian population INTO indian sub-continent.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Then how could you make a tall claim that dravidian migration 
> into India is not
> convincing. There is this particular  pattern in your posts.
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          You picked up this from Mr. Bush ??!! :-) :-)
                   [ poor Bush, he lost isn't it]
          There is no compelling evidence to show that dravidians came
          from elsewhere. In fact there are evidences to show that tamils
          in ancient days travelled to far of places. As I mentioned
          in another posting, Tamil Lady Poet Auvayaar 
          ( pre 200 B.C. - 100  A.D) 
          talks of King PoguTTezhini, son of King Athiyamaan Nedumaan Anji
          as one whose ancestors in ancient days brought sugarcane
          from far off place. The song goes as :
                   "antharam arumpeRal amizhtham anna
                    karumbin thanthOn perumpiRankadaiyE"; 
          King Karikaal Chozhan (200 B.C.or earlier) is said to have
          sailed in the great seas [See the PuRanaanURu song 66:
          'naLiyiru mun neer naavaayOtti vaLi thozhil aaNda' ]; 

           [ the following could be interesting to our history
             fans of Mahabharata]

          Also there was a tamil King who supplied food
          for the warring Mahabharat parties [ this has numerous implications
          (a) the tamil king must have ruled close to the war field which
           means north west india (!!) (b) he must have been neutral because 
           he supplied enormous quantities of food for BOTH parties and
           (c) he must have been an extremely powerful king based on the
           praise of the poet 'MuranjiyUr Mudinaagaraayar'.
           The name of the king is ChEramaan PerunjORRu uthiyan ChEralaathan, 
           ( see Tamil PuRanaanUru 2) [ this poet could be a Naga because
           his name is 'mudi_naaga_raayar'.] [ It is said in the song 
           as in Tamil
           tradition that the 100 Kauravars had 'polampU thumbai' which means
           the Kauravars had a golden yellow 'thumbai' flower as their
           symbol and no such thing is mentioned for PaNdavas but PaaNdavas
           are said to have 'alangulai puravi' = beautifully-moving-head
           horses]
          These incidents go to show that Tamils travelled to far of
          places and could have populated far off regions and they have
          been living in this subcontinent god knows how long ! 
          There are some references in tamil which indicate there were
          two ocean_floodings apparently in the south and they have
          lost a lot of people and wealth. If Tamils had been ruling in 
          and around where MahaBharat war was taking place it shows 
          their extent of rule ! [ There are numerous Tamil words in
          Sanskrit Mahabharat] 
> 
> 

           Regards
           Selva Selvakumar