HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sieburg@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Marc Sieburg)
Subject: Re: ramblings
Originator: sieburg@hphalle9i.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:36:28 GMT


In article <1992Jul16.214338@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de>, 
melin@hlrz24 (S. Melin) writes:

|> As for the german olympics team, I have heard that there has been
|> an internal limit for qualifying. It was at least 6th place in the
|> individual competition and at least 3rd in the team competition at
|> the european championships (but that's just 2nd hand hearsay).
|> If this is correct then there will be Andreas Lippolt (who wound
|> up 5th) and Marion Wagner (who wound up 6th in the ladies competition)
|> in the team. 
|> 

For the german olympic team, there were qualified 
Marion Wagner and Andreas Lippolt.
Because of the good results of the team at the grand-prix in Welzheim 
(with 30 nations participating) the BAL (Bundesausschuss Leistungssport, national
state department for ) decided to nominate both german teams:

men:
	Andreas Lippolt
	Mark Roesike
	Frank Marzoch
women:
	Marion Wagner
	Astrid Haenschel
	Conny Pfohl

In Welzheim  women reached the third place after Korea, and  men reached third 
(second ?) place.  ( The Korean national anthem was the only one we could hear 
there ... :-) )

Someone unknown from Spain who reached about the 50th place shot a 
new world record at  30 meter with a score of _358_ (!)
Kim Sou Nyoung shot a new world record at 30m with a score of _357_.


Marc Sieburg  ( recurve man from Munich, European University Champion 1991 ) 
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From:  (J. Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Olympic opening ceremony
Date: 27 Jul 1992 12:28:22 GMT
Organization: nasa-jsc

I just wanted to say THANK YOU to whoever posted the note about
the Olympic torch being lit by flaming arrow... that was really
the only reason I tuned in to watch the opening ceremony, and it
was really something to see, really incredible. Wow.  Thanks! :)

-j.
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Slapping forearm
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:45:16

I was trying to get tighter groups and wondered if I was hitting my
forearm.  So I took off my arm guard and proceeded to make a pretty
nice bruise on my forearm with the bowstring.  

What sort of measures are recommended to fix this problem?  I already
use a bow-sling which I thought was supposed to help.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  There are only 50 days 'til
archery season opens...

tim

--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)

Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: Long distance record
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:58:42
In-reply-to: akarpowicz@mta.ca's message of Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:34:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.003403.25314@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> akarpowicz@mta.ca (Adam Karpowicz) writes:
   Does anyone know what is the recent record in long distance shooting?
   What was the type/construction of the bow used?

Amazing.  I was just browsing through a Guiness Book of World Records
this weekend and noticed this record.  The maximum distance is
something like 2300 yards using a "footbow". They had a picture of
this fellow on his back with a bow held in his feet.  He was pulling
the string back with both hands.  It didn't look like something you
could take to your deer stand...

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: More DCIBot info. (Easier commands)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:24:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.210550.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Well, the DCIBot is exceeding all of my previous hopes.  I have created a help
>system to get you through it and to take full advantage of it.  Just type "/msg
>dcibot help"  It will tell you what to do from there.  It is truly a work of
>art, if I may say so, myself.
>
>Tell me any ideas you have to make it better.
>
>IRC nick-BlueDevil
>

Sounds pretty interesting. I hope this doesn't sound to ignorant, but how
do you get on?

--Brad.

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Computer Science Grad Student              -me         
Oakland University
Rochester, Michigan
bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: cdoser@polari.online.com
Subject: Rolly Foot
Keywords: corps, drum, bugle
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:22:07 GMT

I marched in corps in the '70s, then taught in the early to mid
'80s. I came back to the activity in '90, and no-one could answe
 this question:
 
    Where did this super rolly foot walk come from, who started it,
    what purpose does it serve?
 
I was a member of a very well trained marching group, the Black Watch,
understood a lot of the physical, as well as physics based reasons that
we did what we did before this new marching technique was in vogue.
I have to tell you, I can't see the benefits, and it seems to me like
it is just 'The Emperor's New Clothes'. Some big corps (Garfield?)
probably started doing it to emphasize they were doing a rolled foot
walk, then the DCI level judges started telling everyone they should
do it. Can anyone make a good case as to why I should teach it to any
kids I am about to teach?
-I really want to know!-
Answers and flames accepted equally and willingly.
 
                                                                      /|
                                                                     / |
____________________________________________ ||----------------- ___/  |
| Cathy Doser        *     Black Watch       ||---____________  \ __   |
| P.O. Box 69271     *      1972-1978             / /          \ |  \  |
| Seattle, WA 98168  * 1978 Class A Champions    | |           | |   \ |
| cdoser             *  'You are what you are,    \ \_________/ /     \|
| @atc.boeing.com    *  or what you want to be!'   \___________/
|_____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Burlington, Iowa  Scores
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:13:43 GMT

In article <l6r5uuINN3k3@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Burlington, Iowa	July 21, 1992
>
>1. Madison Scouts	86.4
>2. Vanguard		83.0
 
WOW.  If Madison is beating SCV that soundly (now I know this is only
one show) how are they going to stack up against BD?  I guess my question
should really be:

For those midwest to west coast folks seeing shows, how will the following
stack up in finals:

Blue Devils
Madison
Cavies

Any comments?

-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Latest Drum Corps World, Net Get-together
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:35:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


I just got the July 17 issue of Drum Corps World yesterday, and
I noticed a couple of things that might be of intereest to the
net.

First is that there is an excellent article by Rosalie Sward
in her "What to Listen for This Summer" series (this article was
the first one for this year) about the Cadets of Bergen County's
show this year.  Once again, the Cadets' show is very difficult
and has a drill that supposedly combines trademark Cadets drill
moves with even faster and more complex drill moves.  The Cadets keep
pushing the boundaries, and so I haven't counted them out of placing
high this year (maybe not first, but probably not as low as sixth,
which the latest alt.drumcorps Writers Poll indicated).

If you have a chance to read this article, do so (or you might be
scratching your head in Madison when they perform).

Finally is that Drum Corps World will have a booth set up at the
stadium (where all the expo stuff will be).  Michael Fath will
be one of the staff members who will be there (at what hours
who knows).

Which brings us to ... the 2nd Annual Net Get-together.  Last year's
net get-together was a total flop, with only two people actually
meeting.  This year, perhaps we will be better organized.  I suggest
the following protocol.  Since I am only going to make it to semis and
finals (I might be able to catch the last few shows of quarters, but
I don't have tickets yet), I will only outline the plan for semis.

I think we should meet at the bottom of the closest aisle to the 50
yard line on the right (the right when facing the field from the
concert side) on the lower deck a half hour before the first corps
comes on (which would be around 5:30, I think).

What do people think?

-- Donald
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: halk@solbourne.com (Hal Koshak)
Subject: Camp Randall seating
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:51:37 GMT

Netters:

Two things:

1) Does anyone know whether Camp Randall has benchs or seats with backs?

2) My $.02 regarding competitiveness, etc:

   Some recent threads have seemed to indicate that some folks think
   that drum corps is (or should be) some type of altruistic, open-
   minded vehicle for self- and group-expression.  This is hogwash.
   Go march with your local parade corps if you don't have a fiercely
   competitive nature (Okay, I'll get flamed, I know that every level
   of drum corps can push the individual). IMO, drum corps, and especially 
   Division I drum corps, is *about* competition.  Why would someone 
   travel to and live in another city just to march with a corps if 
   they didn't want to kick some ass with that corps?  Although I don't 
   believe that the best mode of inspiration is the degradation of another 
   corps, sometimes it just happens that way; I mean, come on, lighten 
   up!  Lets not loose sight of the fact that n-21 year-olds (and 
   regrettably, sometimes their staffs) will do immature things out
   of frustration or whatever.  We're human!  My corps (70-something 
   Blue Stars) always stressed pride and class, but that didn't stop 
   us from occasionally making fun of others that weren't as good or 
   feeling a little scorn at those that we weren't beating (notice that
   I didn't say *couldn't* beat, I still feel that pride!).  Knowing 
   how to both win and lose with class is one of the best things that 
   one can learn from drum corps, but damn, sometimes its just fun and
   psychologically necessary from all of that tension to blow off some
   steam.  One way that this could come out would be to flame another
   corps for their money.  Its just 'sour grapes'!


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hal Koshak           
Systems Engineer
halk@Solbourne.com
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Scores and Review from Omaha (long winded)
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:55:42 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Jul21.230502.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, ebath@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

> Blue Knights are for real and they have a shot.  The Drumline is tremendous. 
> I've read some things about how the snares have a different kind of head on
> their drums.  I would like for someone to please explain to me the difference. 
> The heads they use are spectacular.  It's a sound I've never heard before. 
> Kind of a crack, not a pop or a redular snare sound.  A crack.  Wait til you
> hear them.  And do listen for them.  When they crack them, it will blow your
> mind.  And it is so perfect, so together.  And there were some horns on the
> 
> IRC nick-BlueDevil
> 
I've heard only a little about these heads.  I think it is some kind of head
that Premier makes.  It's supposed to be a woven head like the kevlar ones, but
with a stronger material so they are able to make them thinner.  And I think
they are coated on only one side with mylar instead of both sides.

						Charles Holt
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Defending BD's honor (Re: Comments on POC (YEH STAR!))
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:02:45 GMT


Well I was going to do a post addressing just this, but someone beat me
to it.  Anyway, I guess I was one of the starters in the flame Star 
category, but I think it was fairly open, and I presented my views,
NOT "I think Star sucks".  Could we get back to objective posting? 
I agree with Nick that this post:

>> 2. Blue Devils
>>    They used them well it just gave me a headache to try to watch. Awesome
>>    horns, horrible drums, and a raunchy guard. That about covers it.

is prettty hard and vague at best.  Now the Blue Devils might not win, but
I think that a conservative estimate will keep them in the top 3.  And their
drumline may not be beating Star, but I'm sure their scoring in the 27ish
range by now, not a slouch.  Lets stop bickering a post like intelligent
corps fans....

>
>Anyone agree or disagree with this????

I agree.

>
>IRC nick-BlueDevil


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DATR scores and comments
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:38:51 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Jul21.003701.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu (Jay Glover) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.144403.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

>> I called Steve to see if he wanted to submit a review, he had this to say:  "At
>> times it was insperational and loud, other times it was sexy and not loud, but
>> mostly it was green."  
> 
> 
> I noticed some minor execution problems in the "inspirational" section.
> But other than that...  You have to appreciate this ambitious review.
> It may not win at finals, given the strength of some of the traditional
> reviews, but it's sure to make the top six.
> 
>  - jay g.

I'm sorry the the error in the "inspirational" section was my fault.  Steve was
the sole designer of this review, he relayed it to me completely over the
phone.  Then the instructional staff, me, misinterpreted the intentions of the
artist and designer, Steve.  This error should be fixed by the next time you
see this review.

						Charles Holt
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Scores from Charlotte, NC
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:02:39 GMT

 
July 27, Charlotte NC

1. Blue Devils		90.7
2. Madison Scouts	88.1
3. Freelancers		74.2
4. Dutch Boy		67.6
5. Troopers		66.0
6. Nite Express		50.5

-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: GRS00506@APPSTATE.EDU (GRS9999103)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: POC Scores 16-24
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:36:49 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23




16. Boston Crusadsers	72.7
17. Marauders		71.1
18. Dutch Boy		68.7
19. Troopers		66.9
20. Magic		66.1
21. Colts		65.1
22. Southwind		64.1
23. Carolina Crown	62.2
24. Black Gold		60.4

Patrick
"dolittle"
CROWN
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: competitive spirit (was Re:Bridgemen)
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:03:11 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:

> So the t-shirt said all that?  I think I'm lost here...what did the shirt
> say?  It musta been a BIG t-shirt!! :-)

So, your computer screen said all that?  It musta been a BIG screen!! ;-=}

> 
> Tom
> ---


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Re: competitive spirit (was Re:Bridgemen)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:39:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.041842.26071@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
> Anyway, as someone who has marched both Blue Devils and Phantom, I have a
> few words to add on this subject. (BTW, I marched '83 and '84 Phantom and
> '85 Devs.) After being totally abused and brainwashed in Rockford for 2
             ----- ----- ------- ------ --- -----------
Strong words!
> years, I am relieved to say that I finally had enough sense to go to a
> corps that has a real winning attitute. 
> 
> The attitude in Phantom when I was there was that the corps never lost a
> show. We either won or we were "screwed". I really hated this, 
> but when it comes to attitude, PR was the worst, and I couldn't agree
> with Phantom bashers more.

Bradley,

THanks for that post...I found it really interesting coming from an
ex PHantom and BD.  I'm curious what other Phantom alumni think
about the corps...I appreciated your honesty.  Do you think
that this attitude is helping kids grow thru life?  I'm kinda
sorry I started this discussion but I found your post very
interesting!

Tom
Garfield 83
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Phantom Bashing and other intercorps razzing
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:55:46 EDT
Return-Receipt-To: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
To: fath1@husc
X-Mts-Userid: 0HRR
Status: R
Originator: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu

tmv@blitzen.uucp (Tom VanDeWater aka H2O) wrote:
 
>The 27th Lancers were another favorite target for Garfield as their guard
would commence on doing warm-up spins and counting:
>  ...... 24, 25, 26, 27 sucks, 28, 29, 30.....
>
>or on a clmer day..
>
>  .......24, 25, 26, .., 28, 29 39  eliminating saying 27 altogether.
 
Garfield didn't originate this--North Star did.
In 1979, we'd do jumping jacks to warm up before going into basic block.
We'd do 28 jumping jacks and count:  ...25, 26, 27, sucks!
Since the animosity between the corps dated back to North Star's beginnings
in 1976 (even before--one of the 5(!) corps that merged to form North
Star was the remnants of the Reveries left after 27 broke off), this
probably had been going on since 1976!
 
Vince

-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Thanks Brad (Blue Devil Brad)!
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:10:58 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


Brad, thanks for the info.!!!!!  I love the Devils and have always wanted to
hear from someone that has marched with them.  Please keep it coming.

You said you marched in '85 and I was curious why (if you happen to know) the
Devils' switched to a little more big band style that year.  They played Latin
Jazz before that and then went back to it in '86.  Why was this?

Do you know any good Devils stories?

Thanks.

IRC nick-BlueDevil (this means my nickname on IRC is BlueDevil, not my name is
                    Nick.)
From: Ben w/ no email address :-
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Scores from Charlotte, NC
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:10:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Central Florida


July 27, Charlotte NC

1. Blue Devils          90.7
2. MADISON SCOUTS     **88.1**
3. Freelancers          74.2
4. Dutch Boy            67.6
5. Troopers             66.0
6. Nite Express         50.5

******************* GOOOOOOOOOO SCOUTS!!!!!!!! ******************************
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: DATR-Test
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:02:59 GMT

DATR - this is a test.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Rolly Foot
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:14:32 EDT
Return-Receipt-To: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
X-Mts-Userid: 0HRR
Originator: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu

Here is what Kelly Hall had to say to my post--vince.
---(Forwarded from: hall@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu, Dated: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:53:50 EDT)---
 
> Gee, the only thing I remembered North Star doing different
> from the Anaheim Kingsmen was that N. S. pointed their toes
> while marking time.  We never particularly worked on rolling
> our feet.  In fact, North Star spent *very* little time on
> basics in the summer (A. K. was spending an hour a day, even
> in August--lots of good it did us :-( ! ).
> Vince
I last saw both corps in '82 when I marched in Blue Stars (we felt
bad for AK - both AK and BS helped start DCI in '72 and just ten 
years later we were both in bad shape. *sigh*) but North Star had
that bicycle style then - some members were very subdued but others
really exaggerated it.
 
I always liked the pointed toe while marking time.  I really the
old Madison (and Army) trick of kicking the other foot out a little bit
when halting, too.  Remember when the sign of a good corp was the white
shoe polish in the crotch area of the pants after a show - now *that*
was a high mark time.
 
--
Kelly Hall == hall@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu
no disclaimer, no cute quotes

-- 
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M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu (Jay Glover)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Repeat posts from last week
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:58:51 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Jul31.000442.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jul30.133626.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>> I received your posts from both the 27th and the 29th on the afternoon of 
>> Thursday, July 30.  I am also having some wierd encounters with this newsgroup
>> right now because I have found about 9 "new" postings of scores etc. which have
>> been repeated from last week.  Anybody else having this problem.
>> 
> Yes, Charles, I too had the problem of the 9 new posts from a week ago.  My
> news is usually messed up, but I guess this time it wasn't just my system. 
> Anyone else have problems?

Yep, same here. I can't confirm the number at 9, but some older posts
definately showed up here.  I thought I was experiencing some sort
of temporal distortion.  I was thinking "Why the odd backslide in
scores?"

 - jay g