From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: NEWBIE ALERT! (was Re: Supreme Court) 
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:53:57 GMT

In article <92201.183901U58578@uicvm.uic.edu> Mark Czarnowski <U58578@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>          Just because abortion has been legal for "only 20 years" doesn't mean
> that the right to abort is not "entrenched" in today's society.  True, abortio
>n was illegal for a long period of time in the late 19th to mid 20th centuries.
> The mothers' mortality rate, though, was MANY times greater then.  Now that mo
>thers can feasably obtain safer abortions, that problem is eliminated.
>          Declaring abortions illegal would greatly increase the number of unsa
>fe operations performed in the United States.  Street "doctors" would be able t
>o charge larger and larger fee for their services.  Abortion would become a pro
>fitable business.  Mothers who lose their babies to miscarriage or infant disea
>ses would be investigated by police who suspect "retroactive" abortion.  Is thi
>s what pro-life demonstrators want?
>          Is abortion murder?  Could there be no difference between the taking
>of the "life" of a human fetus of an animal one?  Does a human fetus have a sou
>l?  These questions are unanswerable and theological.  These questions are inhe
>rently religious, and to deny an individual's right to answer them may rock the
> foundations of the First Amendment.
>
>                                                        -V. Randle

This MUST be a newbie. 

You've got a whole lot to learn, kid. First of all, questions about a
soul, is irrelevant to the legal and logical aspects of this issue.

But let me smash your reasoning here: 
Could there be no difference between the taking of the "life" of a
human fetus and that of an animal one? 

Well, is there a difference between killing an adult human and an
adult cow? In America, there is: one is of the HUMAN species and the
other is not. 

Since we know the human fetus is a member of the human species (well,
many pro-choicers tend to forget that, given that they continually
mix & match human fetuses with monkeys & chimps), by scientific facts,
it is a provable fact, and not a religious issue. 

And when the Supreme Court wakes up and realizes that scientific fact,
legal abortion will begin seeing its days numbered. 

You're so new to this debate that you really WOULD believe the
pro-choice movement's lies that all the pro-lifers' reasoning comes
from religion. That's why I left the pro-choice movement - because
they fed us bullshit lies like the stuff you're spewing onto this
newsgroup. 

Go home, get a little older and a little wiser, and then come back
with something that's halfway effective. 
 

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