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From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Excuses....
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:31:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro

In article <1993Jan4.155216.17757@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>,
dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling) wrote:

> As for how hard Pippen and Jordan really word, Hey, if I was making MEGA
> MILLIONS to play a game, I'd work hard too, and they're not the only players
> who work hard on their games, you make it sound like these guys are the
> only players to take their game seriously. GET A LIFE, the Party's over
> and the lower the Bulls sink, the more EXCUSES we're going to hear.
> 
> As for "pimp-slapping" any one, maybe some should slap you to wake you up :)
> 
> -Dewey

Well, you can't blame them for making excuses. They're pretty embarrassed
by their performance, and they've got all those teams ahead of them in the
division now...oh. They're in first. But it
must be humiliating to be worse than the Knicks...oh. They're not.
But look, um, they're at least three games behind Phoenix. Ha - 
take that! The Bulls SUCK! They're not even going to threaten the
best record in league history like last year! Take that....

I'd wait until at least the All-Star game before burying the Bulls.

=====
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All opinions are my own, but can be rented for reasonable rates
sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com
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From: George L. Shilenko <gelc@gelc.msk.su>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: All STAR (Russian version)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:51:29 +0300
Distribution: world
Organization: gelc
Reply-To: gelc@gelc.msk.su

>From gelc Mon Jan 11 20:48:38 MSK 1993
Russian fan of NBA present own list on ALL STAR GAME

         EAST              WEST

      F: S.Pippen       F: C.Barkley
         L.Johnson         K.Malone
      C: P.Ewing        C: D.Robinson        -   starters
      D: M.Jordan       D: J.Stockton
         M.Price           R.Harper
 ----------------------------------------------------------
      F: D.Rodman       F: C.Mullin
         D.Schrempf        D.Majerle
      C: S. O'Neal      C: H.Olajuwon
      D: D.Petrovic     D: T.Hardaway
         R.Miller          C.Drexler

                                           Dmitry  gelc@gelc.msk.su

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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:10:23 GMT

Harry Koehnemann writes:
>Andrew Markham writes:
>>Harry Koehnemann writes:
>>>
>>>Paxon, what's a Paxon.  Please play him so KJ can eat him up.  Do you
>>>really want Paxon in your starting five - he's a defensive liability.
>>
>>I agree.  He has played miserably during each of the championship runs.
>>The way he finds that open shot and drills the outside jumper to force
>>opposing teams to stay in his face SUCKS!!!  Oh, :^)
>
>I find it really amusing how people don't understand basketball.  
>There are dozens of guys that could look great next to Jordan.  

Yeah, so what's your point.  Paxson looks great next to Jordan, shame
on him!  

>Paxon just happens to be that lucky guy.  Whoever guards Paxon will almost 
>every time down the court pay as much attention to Jordan as they will Paxon.

During the 91 and 92 championship runs, Paxson shot 55% and 53% from the
field, respectively.  During those two years, Paxson was (possibly including
Jordan) the best outside shot the Bulls had.  Jordan gets double teamed,
Paxson gets open, Paxson gets ball from Jordan, Paxson gets 2.

>You'd rather have Paxon taking outside shots (hell, he's not even a
>threat to drive) than have Jordan destroy someone 1-on-1.

Of course not, Jordan gets the ball 1-on-1 any day.  But if the opposing
point guard tries to help on Jordan, I would rather have Paxson take the 
open 18 footer than Jordan forcing up a shot in a 1-on-2 situation (though 
he would get the foul, of course).

>Look what happened to Byron when Magic left - he went from a star to a
>below average 2 guard.  I loved it  - I always hated Byron (he was an
>asshole at ASU) and knew he wasn't shit without Magic.  

Sounds a whole lot like sour grapes.

>Same thing (only worse) would happen to Paxon if Jordan left the Bulls.  
>In fact, the Bulls would probably be an average team struggling to make 
>the playoffs without Jordan.

Holy sh*t, did Jordan leave the Bulls?  He didn't?  Then who cares about what
it would/will be like without him.  We'll go over this in a couple of years
when Jordan retires, otherwise it's useless drivel.

I don't really understand what your argument is.  Paxson shouldn't start
for the Bulls because he plays great with Jordan by his side and wouldn't
if he played for another team?  I hate to tell you, but Paxson plays for
the Bulls and Jordan does too.  Sorry, but it just works out that way.

The proof is in the pudding, and we all know that the Jordan/Paxson team
works great (count 'em, 2 championships).  The Bulls are struggling with
BJ getting the minutes and Paxson recovering.  When Paxson gets back up
to speed, I would pull BJ in a minute.  

BTW, what would YOU do to fix the Bulls (this should be interesting)?

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Chaney assistant coach for the Pistons?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:56:05 GMT

jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
 
>In article <1is59vINN9e9@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> belo@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Bela M. Voigt) writes:
>>Hi folks!
>>
>>I just watched a tape of a Cavs-Pistons game from this season.
>>I think I noticed Don Chaney at the Pistons' bench. Is he a
>>assistant coach for the Pistons?
>
>Last I heard, yes.
 
Absolutely, yes.
 
--Eric
PS: Rodman is averaging 19.4 rebounds--not traded or retired.
Pistons are >.500. Ha! So much for what the experts have to say!
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Re : IN MEMORIAM : Johny Most
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1ict82INNl8q@news.aero.org>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:44:38 GMT

In article <1ict82INNl8q@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) wrote:
> Is that *really* the best you can do, Mark? Jeez, I guess any idiot can
> get into Harvard these days.....

Any idiot always could, especially if Daddy went.
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Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 11:10:18 MST
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Subject: Re: was Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Distribution: na
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)

In article <1993Jan5.134343.12976@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>No, that's the end of YOUR discussion.  MAYBE minus Pippen?  He's an All-Star
>and makes a strong case for the most versatile player in the NBA (anyone else 
>average 20pts, 7 boards and 7 assists last year? -- and so far this year he's
>close to 19 pts, 8 boards and 7.5 assists per game this year).

I'm not sure, but I seem to recall hearing about some Drecksler, (or is it
Drexler? :), guy who averaged 25pts, 6 boards, and 6 assists a game...  :)

Justin.
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From: wgr@rti.org (Bucky Ransdell)
Subject: strange SNL reference
Summary: can anyone explain this?
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:41:10 GMT

Maybe someone can explain a reference from Saturday's Saturday Night
Live program to me.  They did a couple of parodies of Amy Fisher
movies as different networks might do them.  As part of the BET
(Black Entertainment Television) spoof they said something like the
movie was going to be on following "Bob McAdoo's Dance Party".  This
was accompanied by a TV show promo-style graphic featuring a photo
of Bob McAdoo.  I don't get it.

McAdoo hasn't played in the NBA, much less the New York area, for quite
a while now.  I'd guess that the majority of SNL viewers don't know who
he is from his basketball career, so I figure this gag must refer to
something I don't know about.  Any ideas?
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From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Re: Wolves Fire Rodgers
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:52:31 GMT

In article <C0pM88.59K@ssesco.com> tmorgan@quesadilla.ssesco.com (Toni Morgan) writes:
>did not hear who would be replacing him.  Anybody know?
>
	 Sidney Lowe....




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From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (BadSpeller!)
Subject: Re: how bad is Dallas? (Was: BOX and NOTES: MN vs DAL 1/2/93)
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:48:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.184927.62482@cc.usu.edu> alanj@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.201148.22299@rti.rti.org>, wgr@rti.rti.org writes 
>> How bad is Dallas?  It looks like they have their sights set on being the
>> worst team (relatively speaking) in NBA history.  I figured they'd compete
>> for worst team in the league with Minnesota and Denver, but they're in a
>> class by themselves.
>
>I think that they are bad enough that they will not win as many games as the 
>Cowboys did in the regular season.  (The Cowboys won 13).
>
>Alan

They might not win as many as the Broncos did (8-8).

BTW: has anyone noticed in the NHL that the Ottwa Senators are also trying
to catch the 71-2 Washington Caps as the worst team in NHL history?
1993 could be an exciting year in sports with 2 major league teams trying
to set new futility records. I wonder if one of the new baseball teams
will also case futility?


-- 
Luke

	"I don't feel so good."	
				Last words of Luther Burbank
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From: tgardner@athena.mit.edu (Timothy J Gardner)
Subject: Re: Trading players
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:11:11 GMT

In article <C0JsnF.1txt@austin.ibm.com> cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
>
>
>Or better yet, could some expert post the trade, transfer,
>free agent conepts etc. etc. so I could appreciate the sport more.	
>
And please don't forget to explain the salary cap! 8^)8^)8^)8^)8^)8^)8^)

Tim Gardner



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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Lakers are in Trouble
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan5.182757.1242@ll.mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:20:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.182757.1242@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) wrote:
> welcome to the club.  i dont imagine the fans of the rest of the league
> are shedding a tear for either the celtics or the lakers.  

Oh, c'mon Nate.

You *know* that I certainly am.
____________________________
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Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha . . . .
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Conspiracy theories
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:31:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
NNTP-Posting-Host: halcyon.aero.org

In article <1993Jan5.203844.1355@udel.edu> chettri@huey.udel.edu (Expressio Veri) writes:
>>In article <5914@osc.COM> ashwin@osc (Ashwin Honkan) writes:
|
|Conspiracy theory # 1:
|
|I heard that David Stern decided that the Lakers were going to win
|the championship this year since Magic was planning a come back.
|However, Earvin did not. Unfortunately Stern forgot to change his
|previous orders or it hasn't yet trickled down to the refs. yet.

No comment......"HELP! WAIT, I RESCIND-"...WHACK! "Aaarrrgh!...."
Oh, we were almost a VERY naughty Commissioner, weren't we? Zelda, 40 
more extra-loving strokes for Mr. Stern, please.......

|Conspiracy theory # 2:
|
|I heard that the post-up rules were changed this year. This is because
|of post-up players like Shaq, Mourning, Gugliotta, Lattner and Byron
|"Weight Lifting" Scott. Naturally, the Bulls suffer since they don't
|have a true post up player like Scott. The other teams aren't good
|enough to reach the finals, but "Great" Scott is on the Lakers and
|will get all the breaks on the way to winning his first post-season
|MVP and helping the Lakers to win their first title of the 90's.

Mr. Stern? Care to comment? "Uh......the, uh......post-up rules..uh....
were changed....uh....in accordance with........with maximum fairness....
uh....OW...WITH MAXIMUM FAIRNESS TO THE ENTIRE LEAGUE......*whimper*...."

Very, very good, Mr. Stern.....

				R.S.
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From: raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani)
Subject: Re: RookieWatch (1/10/93) -- Top Ten
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:41:11 GMT

Does anyone have the complete updated rookie stats. If so, could
you please either post it on the newsgroup or mail it to me.

Raghu
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Charles (Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:14:09 GMT

In article <57501@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> Now is it just me or is anybody else getting sick of every sports announcer
> and ESPN commentator ad nauseum saying "boy Charles is having an MVP year
> in Phoenix, he is playing the best ball of his career. He was dogging it in
> Philly but now he is playing hard"? Charles is playing no better now than
> he did in Philly, he simply has a better supporting cast.
>
> The old media trick, great players on so-so teams are selfish and not 
> "winners", great players on great teams are team players who will do
> anything to win, even if they are both the same player.

Agreed.  How quickly all the media clowns forget the '89-90 season when
the Sixers won the Atlantic Division.  Charles was the league's MVP
hands down.  Even the winner of the award that year, Michael Jordan,
said it should have gone to Charles.

After that season, the Sixers management blundered on some personnel
moves while going for the quick fix.  The team went downhill and Charles, 
was very upset.  And rightfully so.  He criticized the management and
the stiffs that were brought in.  The media labled him a malcontent and
a whiner.  Charles was finally traded, and as the whole world can see
he was right all along because the Sixers are terrible.  Even Hornacek
has become critical of the team, and he's only been in Philly for a
quarter of a season.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
jmd@aluxpo.att.com
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: The King Has Returned
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:44:29 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

Well, not quite yet but soon. The King that I'm referring to is
the one and only Bernard of the Bullets. Bernard just showed up
at practice the other day and introduced himself to the young guys,
apparently unbeknownst to the mgmt.

Apparently, B thinks that he is ready to play ball again, but has
had little contact with Wes or the rest of the mgmt, 'til a couple
of days ago. He still has to pass a physical to be eligible to play.
If you recall, Bernard missed all of last season and this season due 
to a knee injury. The Bullets got a medical exception for B's salary
earlier this season, which they used to sign Gugs. This has some 
ramifications on how the Bullets handle his activation, but I'm 
foggy on the details (they should offer a PhD in salary caps).

This is good news for Bullets fans, IMO, but the Post's Dave Aldridge
seems to be a bit leary of Bernard (age 36) coming in and disrupting
the rebuilding process. B was averaging 28.4 pts before the knee 
started bothering him half way thru the 90-91 season. Harvey Grant
was one of the players who was less than enthusiastic about B's 
return. My speculation is that Harvey felt that he was the elder 
statesman on the team, and he's a bit jealous. Wes' reaction was
noncommital (as usual), but a bit more positive. He was lauding the
veteran leadership that a B brings to the team. He also discounted
PT as a method for players to develop, which was a bit surprising to
me. He said that players get better by learning, not by playing. He
said that the younger players would learn a lot from observing a B.
This might explain why Wes never gave Foster much PT. I kind of
disagree with this approach, how do people in netland feel about this?

The major question is who to cut? Everyone on the team has a guaranteed
contract, and the Bullets already cut Foster who was picked up by
the Hawks. Let's take a look at the roster:

PG: Adams, Price
SG: Chapman, Overton, LaBradford Smith
SF: Grant, MaClean, Buck Johnson
PF: Gugs, Stewart
C: Ellison, C. Jones

Who do you cut? I'd say cut Buck Johnson and eat his 780k salary.
All of the other guys are young and have some potential, except
Jones. You need at least one backup center, especially the way 
Pervis has been getting into foul trouble. Cutting MaClean would 
be like giving Fatso Williams away. Price has shown some potential,
and I think that with some experience and *PT* he'll mature. 

Ron
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: YATR (Yet Another Trade Rumor)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:25:06 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <43265@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>
>I'm generally the last guy on the net to encourage this sort of
>rumor, but this one comes from reliable enough a source to be worth
>reporting:  It seems the Phoenix Suns have stated that they have
>been talking with Dallas regarding a possible trade of Negele
>Knight, Cedric Ceballos, and Jerrod Mustaf for the rights to Jimmy
>Jackson.
>
>Tony

Actually not too bad a trade for both teams...  Dallas gets some real 
NBA level talent in Knight and Ceballos (Mustaf is more of a throw-in),
and Phoenix gets a potential superstar, but more importantly, another 
person to play the 2guard/SF spot.  



-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
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From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Suns file protest in San Antonio loss
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:25:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.201537.8664@tvnews.tv.tek.com> randyc@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Randall Cornwell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.182900.11308@ennews.eas.asu.edu> koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>
>I heard that the NBA was not going to overturn the REFs call for the following
>reason:  Rule is for a technical to be called, the ball MUST be inbounded.
>This is what was stated during halftime of the TNT game on Friday Night.
>Did anyone else here this?

That's not true.  A ball is considered live in 3 situations. 1-ref throws
ball for a jump ball. 2-ref hands ball to player for free throw. 3-ref
hands ball to player for inbounds play.  On the tapes, it's obvious the
ref hands the ball to a SA player with 5 other men on the court.  Majerle
and Barkley come screaming about a technical and the ref takes the ball
back.  Live ball, 6 men on court, other team calls it to the refs attention.
Everything that needs to happen for a T.

ANyone out there ref?  I'm prety sure it's someone's responsibility to
count players before handing the ball off.  So, if the NBA upholds the
protest, it's knidof like admitting their guy screwed up - which may have
been why he didn't call a T in the first place.  ANyways, the outcome
should be interesting.
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: All-Star Voting Summary
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:21:56 GMT

thomas.mcguigan writes:
>
>Here is a full summary of the early voting totals for
>the All-Star teams:
>
>East Forwards		
>Scottie Pippen    170450	
>Larry Johnson      96965	
>Dominique Wilkins  55879	
>Horace Grant       48856	
>Blue Edwards       34970	
>Derrick Coleman    34391	
>Larry Nance        24896	
>Kevin McHale       24270	
>Kevin Willis       18672	
>Xavier McDaniel    17576	

Was Rodman not eligible?  He's not my favorite payer, but I figured
there were at least 18,000 people who are snowed by his rebounding
stats!!!   ;^)

Pippen gets the start at SF and second most votes in the league (only
5K behind Jordan)?  Justice is served!!!

>East Guards
>Michael Jordan    175681
>Jeff Hornacek      55832
>Isiah Thomas       34734
>Mark Price         32027
>Kenny Anderson     30719
>Muggsy Bogues      28977
>Joe Dumars         27457
>Reggie Lewis       27148
>Drazen Petrovic    27063
>Kendall Gill       19519

Isiah gets 3rd?  So far he's been shooting like sh*t.  I'd move
him below Lewis (can you see my anti-Piston bias).

>West Guards
>Clyde Drexler     146504
>Ricky Pierce       99617
>Tim Hardaway       90723
>John Stockton      79107
>Terry Porter       57603
>Mitch Richmond     44037
>S. Marciulionis    42817
>Jeff Malone        30316
>Kevin Johnson      30017
>Dan Marjerle       22573

J. Malone before Majerle?  I can't believe it would go that way
even in a popularity contest!?!



I guess that give the East a starting line-up of

PG: Hornacek
SG: Jordan
SF: Pippen
PF: Johnson
C:  O'Neal

Talk about a bunch of versatile players!!!  Will the West get
ANY rebounds?

I hope to see Price, Dumars, Wilkins, Grant and Ewing on the bench...

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: YATR (Yet Another Trade Rumor)
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:30:58 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <cogar-110193091039@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil> cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar) writes:
>Remember also, that he turned down 6 years $24 mil with Dallas.  I don't
>know what the Suns' salary structure looks like, but the CAVS are so far
>over the cap that I don't think they could come up with anything like that.

Yes but that was AFTER JJ told the world he would never sign with Dallas at
any price. If they had made that offer 2 months ago, JJ would more than 
likely be their starting shooting guard today. I am sure Dallas will tell
everyone how greedy JJ is for turning that down, but he fact is he flat out
told them trade me or lose me I will not sign with you because you did not
negotiate fairly with me.

I agree with Jim Oliver though, at this point its unlikely JJ can  help a
really good team get over the top, he cannot possibly be in playing shape.





Russ Smith
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