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From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: People interested in video poker.
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:20:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: fibers.1992Oct15.102013.614
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

In article <1992Oct14.113208.28106@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.191103.22476@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
>>
>>Uh, you *do* realize that the FAQ itself has a video poker "system",
>>proven via mathematics/combinatorial analysis to work, thanks to
>>Steve Jacobs...
> 
> 	I find it very interesting that I made a generic offer and
> 	all you choose to do is criticize me and talk shit.
> 
> 	If you had responded and received a copy of it, then I
> 	suppose you could judge for yourself.  But it'll be a
> 	cold day in hell before I spend any more time than to
> 	write this note, to help an arrogant bastard like you.

Are you from New York?
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: Hi-Lo Poker
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:45:12 GMT
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In <JACOBS.92Oct15145324@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu writes:

> In article <1992Oct15.195049.2578@news.vanderbilt.edu> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb) writes:
> >
> > A few days ago, someone posted a suggestion that even if a pig (two-way
> > declarer) does not win both ways, even though he is out of the pot, anyone he
> > beats one way is out that way.
> >
> > But consider this six-hand showdown:
> > 1  (H)  QQQ93
> > 2 (H-L) AAA77 (h)
> >         7643A (l)
> > 3  (L)  85432
> > 4 (H-L) 666A4 (h)
> >         6432A (l)
> > 5  (H)  JJ88K
> > 6  (L)  J7542
> >
> > The best high belongs to 2 and the best low to 4; neither can win because 
> > they went pig, but they beat everyone else, so no one can win!!
> 
> A hand that is eliminated doesn't beat anyone else.  After players 2
> and 4 are eliminated, player 1 wins high and player 3 wins low.

I was well aware that this is the standard rule.  I was referring to a recent
post (by jk@apple.com) which suggested that it *should* be the other way
around, and pointing out that it doesn't work.


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: gunvalds@edb.tih.no (Gunvald Storheil,o92a)
Subject: new BJ-rules
Reply-To: gunvalds@edb.tih.no
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:52:41 GMT
From: roberts@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Raiders Whipped Bills!)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Hi-Lo Poker
Keywords: 8 cards???????
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:05:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Subject: Re: Hi-Lo Poker

In article <1992Oct15.195049.2578@news.vanderbilt.edu>, 
LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb) writes:
> 
> A few days ago, someone posted a suggestion that even if a pig (two-way
> declarer) does not win both ways, even though he is out of the pot, anyone he
> beats one way is out that way.
> 
> But consider this six-hand showdown:
> 1  (H)  QQQ93
> 2 (H-L) AAA77 (h)
>         7643A (l)
> 3  (L)  85432
> 4 (H-L) 666A4 (h)
>         6432A (l)
> 5  (H)  JJ88K
> 6  (L)  J7542
> 
> The best high belongs to 2 and the best low to 4; neither can win because 
> they went pig, but they beat everyone else, so no one can win!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't player two holding 
EIGHT cards (AAA77643)?  Maybe someone ought to check
his sleeve...8-)

Shawn


--
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ACACIA International Fraternity Brother         |  advance..." -Neil Peart
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Las Vegas crowd levels
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:14:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: fibers.1992Oct7.141450.600
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

Anyone have any idea what the crowd size is likey to be in Las Vegas
during the National Finals Rodeo period of December 4-15?

Are we talking COMDEX size crowds, or Elvis Impersonator Convention
size crowds?
________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:24:59 EDT


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: Splitting
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.133102.20000@midway.uchicago.edu> kolt@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Is it worth splitting in situations not normally called for (such as 66v2 when
>slight neg count), in order to reduce variance?

Nobody knows, because nobody has done the necessary hacking to find an
approximate answer, and an exact answer may be beyond the capabilities
of current computer hardware.  But you asked if you should split to reduce
variance;  while this might sometimes be the case, my intuition is that the
issue is more whether you should avoid splitting in order to reduce variance.
When you've got two hands, although it increases the chance you'll have a
zero result, you've put more money on the table, and you've now made it
possible to lose twice as much, quadruple the largest squared result for
an unsplit hand.

>It seems that the old "playing two hands" idea should come into play somehow.

Not sure what you're referring to here.

>What effect would DAS have on my decision to split a close hand.

Nobody knows.

>Conversely, whenever doubling down is the close play, I skip it. But if the
>question is whether to split, it seems that when in doubt (except on 99, XX) 
>the ulcer-redcuing play is to split.

The only thing we do know, via simulations, is that splitting XX is rather
critical to your overall profits, and you can't afford to be very
conservative with this.

-- 
Michael Hall            \
NASA Ames Research Center\  "Tropicana... Atlantic City in the desert"
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \  - ad slogan proposed by Michael Buck

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: kolt@quads.uchicago.edu (Matt K/Gonzo)
Subject: Re: How/Where to play DD in LV
Reply-To: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:16:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.132622.605@fibers> mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
>
>Bally's SD had D10-D11, so I doubt their DD rules are favorable.
But their shoe rules are DOA, DAS, LS, RSA, so who knows? (do they have DD?)
>
>I've heard that the Aladdin has a DOA,DAS,LS(!!),H17 DD game available.
>I couldn't find it in August, though.
Anyone?
>
>BTW, what's the matter with the Sands SD game?  (Honest question.  I
>haven't been there myself, so haven't tried it.)
Bitchy pit bosses, 5 spot tables, 2x3 penetration, 3x2 as well, H17, nDAS.
I lost $87 in a VERY short time at a $3 table. :-(

-- 
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Email: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu              say neither am I." --Toad the    
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Boycott the IP... R.I.P. MSS...Hugs to all...Standard Disclaimers Apply...
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:50:20 EDT
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

In article <JACOBS.92Oct8170607@cells.cs.utah.edu>, jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
> In article <14157.2ad46d22@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
> [nothing at all!]
> 
> What this meant for alt.psychic?

Hmmm.  Don't know what happened to the text of that post. ...and, I don't
know why the article name/number has be posting from Ohio State, either!
Let's try again....

Original text of Message-ID: <1992Oct8.110430.604@fibers> follows:
From: mbuck@fibers.uucp (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:04:30 EDT
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

In article <1992Oct07.212709.28386@eng.umd.edu>, moo@king.eng.umd.edu (Deac Moo of the UGC) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.141450.600@fibers>, mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
>>Anyone have any idea what the crowd size is likey to be in Las Vegas
>>during the National Finals Rodeo period of December 4-15?
>>
>>Are we talking COMDEX size crowds, or Elvis Impersonator Convention
>>size crowds?
> 
> DECUS-going? Went two years ago. Worst drawbacks are:

Yup.  DECUS-ing and vacationing.  All-in-all, I'll be in town from
Dec 4-22.  4-11 for DECUS, 20-22 for Las Vegas Advisor event, 12-19
just because I'm already there, and it wouldn't make any sense to go
back to Virginia in between DECUS and LVA. :-)

> Actual crowd size didn't seeem to be a big deal. 

I was in LV during August, and was surprised at how large the weekend
crowds were.  I had heard that mid-summer and December were slow
periods in town, but my own experience did not show that so far.

I suppose what I expect is that the crowds will be heavy from Dec 4-15,
(while the rodeo folk are in town) and very very light from Dec 16-22,
in which case I'd try to do most of my BJ play during the 16-22 period
to get more head-on play.

Does Las Vegas close a lot of tables during extemely slow periods?
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From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Tables in AC during Christmas
Date: 12 Oct 1992 16:18:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  I know that it is 10 weeks away, but I was curious if anyone
has been to AC over the Christmas period (23rd-27th).  Do they
inflate the table prices during weekday daytime hours (8AM-7PM)
I may be going down there and it would be useless if the tables
will be the way they are on weekend evenings or holidays.
I know that attendence is low in the casinos but I wouldn't hold
it against the casinos to raise tables.  
    Please e-mail or post if you know.
                          Rich
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Travel to LV (from Ohio)
From: jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse)
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:31:47 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: as little as possible

I wish to plan a week or so trip to Las Vegas in the future (December or so).
I am gonna have to fly.  What sort of prices should I look for, expect
for a week long trip (2 people)?  Anyone care to recommend travel
agencies? travel agencies to avoid?  Perhaps I should just arrange
the trip piece by piece myself?

Thanks
Jim
(jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones)
Subject: Cruiseship BJ
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:46:52 GMT

Anyone out there ever play blackjack on a cruiseship?  I will be going on
Carnival's Festivale ship on Dec 6.  I rarely play BJ but I have a pretty
good grasp on the basic strategy.  If I find out beforehand that the odds
are good I'm considering learning a simple counting system.

Also, know any good casinos on St. Thomas, St. Martin, Barbados, Dominica
or Martinique?

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hagerty@THEWHEEL.CS.NYU.EDU (Andrew Hagerty)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Where to go for POKER?
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:42:30 GMT
Organization: New York University

I'll be in the San Franciso area later this month and
and thought I might drive over to Tahoe (or perhaps Reno)
and try my hand at a little poker.

If anyone has any information I would appreciate it.
Basically, I am interested in-- where, how much, types of games, etc.

Please respond via e-mail or in rec.gambling. Either
would be fine.

thanks,

Andrew Hagerty
hagerty@thewheel.cs.nyu.edu
From: jfr@RedBrick.COM
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Low limit Holdem strategy
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:48:04 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA

In article <17761@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:
>A question for you expert poker players...
>
>I've been playing hold`em at some of the local bay area poker
>clubs (and doing better than my last moaning posting, which I
>apologize for!) and find that it's easier to play at the higher
>stakes tables than lower stakes.  I think the generally accepted
>wisdom is that you can apply some more strategy at the higher
>stakes tables and consequently control the table better.
>
>Anyway, the question is, what is the "correct" strategy to follow
>for the lower (say 1-2, 2-4 or even 3-6) tables?  I can't seem to
>really get things to go my way at these tables.  I'm more or less
>following Sklansky and Malmuth's advice for 6-12 tables and it
>seems to work fairly well (however I'm still pretty green).
 
  Hmmm, let's see.  First, make sure you call any preflop bets on 
  the grounds that at low stakes, it always pays to see the flop.
  After all, if you were playing $10-$20, the average antes and 
  blinds would be much higher than the buck or two you risk here.
  Raise if you have any two suited cards or two in a sequence.
  Cap the bets if you hold any pair.

  After the flop, steamroll if you catch two pair or better, draw
  to most three- or four- flushes or straights, etc.  Slowplay the
  nuts just in case you scare everyone out.  
  
  And make sure you always look for my table :-)  I'll even buy you
  a drink... no, several drinks :-)

  Seriously, you are correct in your opinion that there is much less
  predictability at low limit tables.  I have found it useful to
  play even tighter at these tables.  Bluffs almost never work at
  very low limits (everyone will call anyway, so you just end up
  losing most of your bluffs).  However, it is also useful to use
  some of Brunson's wisdom and rapidly "shift gears" (as he points
  out in his book, "you only need first and third").  This tends to
  disconcert other players and they may make injudicious calls when
  you really have what you are advertising.  

  I actually enjoy Omaha Hi-Lo better than Hold-em at low limits because
  people stay on ANYTHING.  If you play even a moderately cautious game 
  of Omaha Hi-Lo $2-4, the money mostly comes your way.  Probably not
  enough to make a living, but certainly enough to have a great time.
  
>Anyway, just wondering what you've found useful etc...
>
>Thanks, James.
>
>P.S. I'd ask your advice about no-limit tournament play, but
>somehow I just don't trust you at this point in time...  :-)
 
  Aw, how come? :-)

  Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:17:22 EDT
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Doubling down for your neighbour, Question ?
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:40:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Oct16.134012.64217
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <15OCT199210342049@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> venkataraman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman) writes:
>The last I was in Laughlin, I was playing at third base on a table that allowed
>double down on any two cards.  The player sitting next to me refused to double
>down on anything soft (even with dealer showing 4-6).  So, I decided to place
>the double down bets for her, and probably won some money. 
>
>The way it worked was that I would keep the my bet and the winnings if we won
>(as if that is not obvious:-)). My question is 
>
>1) Would the lady have been better off hitting, instead of letting me double
>for her ? 

Ubetcha.  The whole reasoning behind doubling down is that you pay for the
chance to win more money by giving up the chance to draw more cards.  By
your doubling for her, she received nothing in return for only drawing one
more card.  If she were to draw a baby card (i.e. 2) when you doubled on
10 for her, and the dealer was showing a large card, she now has no chance
to try to better her hand.

>3) Finally, if this is indeed profitable would the pit critters care about such
>action ? 

Probably not.  Your actions wouldn't hurt them any more than if the lady knew
how to play.  They would probably care if the lady didn't like it.
-- 
 ============================================================================
 Frank Irwin                   | "The only thing worse than losing 7-27 to a
 Vmark Software, Inc.          |  kitty is losing 7-27 to a kitty that bets."
 irwin%uvmark@merk.com         |     - me
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Hi-Lo Poker
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:29:30 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <93397@netnews.upenn.edu> roberts@eniac.seas.upenn.edu writes:

> Subject: Re: Hi-Lo Poker
> 
> > A few days ago, someone posted a suggestion that even if a pig (two-way
> > declarer) does not win both ways, even though he is out of the pot, anyone he
> > beats one way is out that way.
> > 
> > But consider this six-hand showdown:
> > 1  (H)  QQQ93
> > 2 (H-L) AAA77 (h)
> >         7643A (l)
> > 3  (L)  85432
> > 4 (H-L) 666A4 (h)
> >         6432A (l)
> > 5  (H)  JJ88K
> > 6  (L)  J7542
> > 
> > The best high belongs to 2 and the best low to 4; neither can win because 
> > they went pig, but they beat everyone else, so no one can win!!
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't player two holding 
> EIGHT cards (AAA77643)?  Maybe someone ought to check
> his sleeve...8-)

OK, drop one of his sevens. He still has AAA76, which is the best high hand
showing.


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
From: tony@reflex.Eng.Sun.COM (Tony Glenning)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: L.V. Packages
Keywords: package, deals
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:03:34 GMT
Reply-To: tony@reflex.Eng.Sun.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: reflex.eng.sun.com


	Does anyone have any leads on package deals to L.V., which include airfare (from San Francisco)?  In fact what accomodation / chips / food deals are there,
with or without airfares (I do know about Vegas World!!)?  If the response is at least moderate, I'll post a summary.

Thanks

Tony Glenning
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Reno BJ Rules
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:41:04 GMT

I'm going to Reno next week and have never been there before.
From the FAQ, and the couple of BJ books I have, it seems 
that "typical" Reno rules are single deck, H17, D10, and  
no Doubling on Soft Hands.  Is this true?  What about 
DAS/RSA/ESR/LSR?  Basically, I just want to know so I make sure 
I have the appropriate Basic Strategy memorized and "practiced" 
before I get out there - I won't be counting.

Thanks in advance. 
 
david
From: brett@oce.orst.edu (Brett Barksdale)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Hi-Lo Poker
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:58:07 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography

In article <1992Oct15.195049.2578@news.vanderbilt.edu> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb) writes:
-A few days ago, someone posted a suggestion that even if a pig (two-way
-declarer) does not win both ways, even though he is out of the pot, anyone he
-beats one way is out that way.
-
-But consider this six-hand showdown:
-1  (H)  QQQ93
-2 (H-L) AAA77 (h)
-        7643A (l)

 What kind of game is this? You need *8* cards to make a full-house with a non-
paired low. 8 card-stud, hi-lo split? :-)

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                     "Just waiting for the nuts..."
             Brett Barksdale        brett@porky.oce.orst.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: slaven@iastate.edu (Dave Slaven)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:46:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: pv740a.slaven.719012818
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

>Tomorrow, the Bluejays and Athletics are playing game six of the ALCS.  Who,
>in your opinion, is going to win this game and why?  Pat Sullivan

Toronto.  Because i need Oakland for a pool that i'm in.
-- 
Dave Slaven 

"What do you do after you've ruined your life?"  --Mose Allison
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Red Lion
In-reply-to: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.gwinnett.com's message of 15 Oct 92 21:23:00 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:23:22

In article <166.787.uupcb@ehbbs.gwinnett.com> jack.mcgee@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Jack Mcgee) writes:
>
> Chuck,
> I tried to send you e-mail, but it got returned to me for reasons I
> can't explain. I want to pick your brain a little more about the Red
> Lion deal.  This particular deal is $179 2 nights air/hotel.  I called
> them and got some more details. You said that you had to show a $400
> bankroll, she said nothing about that, just that they want you to do all
> your gambling in the Red Lion, and not spend your time at the nickel
> slots.

I'm not Chuck, but I have some info on this.  I've been told (can you say
RUMOR?) that Red Lion has changed their policy so that you are know longer
required to show money before boarding the plane.

> -  Are most of the customers there wearing the  badges/buttons? She
>    said the plane was a 737, and I saw an ad saying the hotel only had
>    225 rooms. They could bring in a full planeload every day, and keep
>    the place packed.

I'd say most of the players at the BJ tables were wearing badges.  They
have two planes, and often they have groups there from 3 or 4 different
cities at the same time.  They fly a lot of "day trips" from nearby cities.

> -  She also said they want you to do all your gambling at the Red
>    Lion. How do they enforce this?  I'd at least like to move around a
>    little and see the other places, even if I don't gamble.

They have someone walk around looking for badges about once an hour.
People who are spotted playing often are put on their "preferred" list.
If they like you, they will be sure to send you postcards to let you
know about upcoming trips (some of which are not advertised heavily).

> -  Maybe I'm overly worried about this, but I have no idea what they
>    are expecting in terms of bankroll.  What happens if I shoot my wad
>    the first night?

I wouldn't worry about it too much.  They won't strand you in Elko if
you don't gamble enough.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Yet another trip report - Reno (Oct. 2-4)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:33:04 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

> 
> The Fitz/Harolds/Nevada Club stamp a card each time you get a
> blackjack. Seven stamps and the card is placed in a drawing for some
> inconsequential gifts. What the heck, it was free so I participated.
> 

The Frontier in Las Vegas is doing something similar. Every time you set 
a blackjack, you get a silver dollar sized token. If you collect 10 of
them, you get a free night stay at the casino. I think this promotion is
going on for 3 months. I played for a while and received 2 tokens.

Ken