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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:41:19 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: george on larry
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On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:20:32 CDT fred said:
>Did anyone else see Mr. Bush on Larry King last night? I thought it was
>very misleading to allow only bush supporters into the audience although
>Clinton was given the same treatment for his appearance. I was very

So what is your point?  I don't remember you posting this type of
criticism of Clinton after his appearance.  Is this your bias showing ?

>King didn't push the president on any issues but simply allowed him
>to say anything with no follow-up. At least two high level officials

So you've now confirmed LK isn't an effective interviewer as the same
things were said about him when Gov. Clinton was on.

>have said that Bush had in-depth knowledge of the goals of the arms for
>hostages deals yet he continues to insist that he has leveled with the

I posed this question many months ago and I'll pose it again:  is there
any evidence which could be presented to you which would reasonably
explain the circumstances to your satisfaction?


gore Clinton in '92
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Subject: Re: Drats! Foiled again!
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:44:00 GMT
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>Apparently, I'm limited to 750k of downloading per day, so I'm not sure when
>I'll be able to post Jamie's statements.  I'll try to get them posted by next
>week, at least.

Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that.  Listserv limits your download amount, to
save strain on the net.

>Well, I managed to download a batch of archive files from the listserv.
>Unfortuantely, my system won't let me actually _receive_ them in a form I can
>read; the file far exceeds my account quota, so I can't get into them.

Tell ya what, Jason: let me know approximately when this supposed exchange
took place, and I'll root around in the archives myself.  (That's one of the
advantages of having a drycas account - it's *big* - we're talking huge
tracts of land, here.  Could probably fit about two or three of my old
cmuvm account in here.)

>Jason

Gary W. Olson, on lunch break "The federal government is basically one enormous,
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU   ongoing Meeting From Hell." - Dave Barry
27 days and counting down...
From: gpn0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GARY PHILIP NEWHART)
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Subject: Re: New kid on the block...
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:50:36 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <POLITICS%92101309581145@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, ST402711@BROWNV
M.BITNET (Tim Johnson) writes:
>>  Some pretty hot discussions on this message area. I, being a Rush
>>Limbaugh fan and a Christian, know that my point of views are right.
>
>  Umm, anyone taking bets on whether or not this is a joke?
>
>                                         -Tim
>
I hope this is a joke!
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:02:32 CDT
From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      who did what and when

When November 3rd rolls around, my vote will be cast according to what
the candidates have done over the last 12 years, not while they were in
college. I would be willing to bet that george had friends in college
who visited foreign countries and protested against the war in Vietnam.
How does S & L mismanagement by your son give you a lock on family
values? Last time I checked, misuse of other people's money was a crime
but little george was asked to "please not do it again".I would be
happy to speculate with everyone's money under those circumstances.

George was in the CIA when we put some wonderful humanitarians in power
in south america and he continued this with support of Noriega and
Saddam. George knew that he was trading guns for bodies in dealing
with Iran. My taxes have gone up more under reagan/bush than at any
other period. Look at what is happening, not what they tell you might
happen. How many new jobs outside of the service industries have been
generated during the last 12 years?

Which is more frightening to you, a first lady who asks her astrologer
when to sign treaties with foreign powers or a first lady with a
degree and a successful law practice?

Have a beery nice weekend! - fred
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Date: 15 Oct 92 06:13:00 GMT
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        Okay, forget about carving people's hearts out and have a Guiness
instead.  Here, I'll hand it through the screen.  Got an opener?  And here's
a beerstein.

                                                Chris Morrison
From: CDELL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU (VALENTINE M. SMITH)
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Subject: Re: the kErry tickEt
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:26:27 GMT
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THough my running mate apparently does not imbibe, in my 28 years of beer
drinking, I've had beer from 4 continents, and have learned enough about
me to know what my limits are - I have not been drunk in 11 years. Chris
asked about Guiness - I have to be in a mood to drink it, but what an
excellent brew! The DuNcaN/ValeNtiN ticket is great - a non-drinker and a
drinker, older and younger, male and female, solid on shoes AND beer, what
more could you ask for? VMS
From: BRIDEC92@IRLEARN.UCD.IE (james p mcbride)
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Subject: Re: No joke!
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:24:40 GMT
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              13 Oct 1992 17:59:17 GMT from <jwales@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:59:17 GMT jimmy donal wales said:
>
>>I am the sysop of a bbs in Herrin IL and have developed a method for
>>*gatewaying* messages between listserv discussion groups and the bbs.
>
>You gotta love this.  I hereby move that we all adopt Herrin, IL
>as our official POLITICS home town.
>

Perhaps we should host the virtual election debates there   :-)

>I hope that Jennifer and Mr. Roughneck the SYSOP will spread the
>word in Herrin.
>
>--Jimbo


james p mc bride
From: CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
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Subject: Re: New York Presidential Poll
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:38:00 GMT
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        I will get back to you with the points.  Two of their proposed areas
of concentration were drug treatment available on demand and community policing.
There was more.

                                                Chris Morrison
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:15:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      dress for veepsuccess

did anyone notice that quayle and gore had the same attire on last night.
both dark suits and red ties?

i had the misfortune of missing most of the debates because jesse decided to
have an "i will not do my homework you can't make me i'll never go to school
again i'd rather kill myself i hate you" episode. altho i *saw* some of it, i
could *hear* almost none of it.

sigh

so, anyway, i can't comment on much more than the clothes.

another sigh

- linda
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:27:17 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      and you thought quayle was bad....

>        I meant attention in the media.  It might work like a smoke screen
>in the last parb4Lh9QTz7Irt of the campaign.

  Chris Morrison can't even spell "part" correctly!  Sheesh.

  (I mean, I think a silent e is much more plausible
   than a silent "b4Lh9QTz7I")

                               -Tim
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:38:05 CST
From:         "rufus t. firefly" <U9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      "Profiles In Courage"

I've just picked up a copy of John F. Kennedy's "Profiles_in_Courage." It's
an interesting read. For those of you who aren't familiar with the work, it's
about U.S senators who sacrficed their constituencys' interests while relying
on their intuition and instict. Right now I'm on the chapter about Thomas Hart
Benton. Well, the question I had for those of you who are familiar with the
work is: Is this book a "pot-boiler" operation? Is it similar to one of those
books Ollie North puts out or some other guy puts out about Ollie North that
always end up in the trash section of the grocery store? Is this a respected
political work? I, for one find
the book educational. What are your opinions on the book?
Thanks
Lance
****************

  yes, it is an actual, respected, fairly good book. only problem is
that ted sorenson actually wrote it. and was probably paid quite well
for it . . .

rtf
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:06:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Did you vote for Carter

I've always believed that a vote for Reagan/Bush was a vote for dishonesty
in government.                                  POHenry.

        Well, I guess you were right.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Subject: RE: Happiness is Bush
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:57:00 GMT
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        I hope that was a joke.

                                                Chris Morrison
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:36:06 -0400
From:         I am Looking For Signs Of Intelligent Life! Know Any?
              <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: To Those Who Voted For Carter

actually you are pretty wrong carl... the economy
was due for a break down cause we hadn't really had one since world
warII. We had been in a continous state of warfare since WWII\
and korea and vietnam were both attempts to keep the economy
going. Bush is suffering from the same problem... an incredible
economic fall because of cuts in the massive military budget
among other things and a general lack of faith in the economy when we
don't have a perceived threat!

                           John Stith
From: CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
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Subject: RE: prime examples and other factors; or, workin' in a coal mine
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:08:00 GMT
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Liese forgot to say that she used to have to get up at 4 am to go to work.

                                        Chris Morrison
From: E7L8ALL@TOWSONVX.BITNET (Andrew Allen)
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Subject: Crime, punishment, reincarnation...?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:37:29 GMT
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Imagine the likelihood of two postings virtually redolant with inspired
wisdom, on the same topic, almost colliding with one another in my mailer
on the same day. You gotta wonder what are the chances of that...

Did you ever notice that if you glance up at your terminal and look
away quickly that "incarceration" and "incarnation" look about the same...

> I won many debate rounds with my argument
>that a person convicted to death should be allowed only two appeals.
>At the conclusion of the second appeal, if the original ruling is upheld
>the criminal should be executed the minute they step out of the
>courtroom.

>               People would behave much better toward each other if
>          they knew that their actions in the present will surely be
>          reaped by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION!

Reading the two postings that these quotes were pulled from almost back
to back I have come up with an idea that may solve the problem of the
death penalty. Tim J. (being an almost fully licensed physicist) may be
able to fill in the technical details; I hear he's looking for a way
to find an honest day's work anyway. B) (that's a joke, son)

It has come to me that the reason that we have the death penalty in
the first place is that the plan that R.E. MacElwaine has laid out
so thoughtfully in his post works, but just not fast enough for most
folks liking. That is "what goes around comes around" but it just
seems to take forever; most americans can't accept as "payment"
retribution that occurs beyond the termination of the current
incarnation/incarceration.

That is why I have come up with a plan that I call "Instant Forever."

What we'll do is finally get some mileage out of Einstein's relativity
theory (pun intended, this is Friday dammit); we'll build a fleet of
really fast space vehicles to send society's offenders up/back in.
In the sense that the death penalty negates the life of the offender,
what "Instant Forever" will do is take the offender back in time
before he/she was born. As a nod to the numerous anti choice folks
who like the idea of killing folks who are already actually alive
(support the death penalty) for good measure we will send the offenders
back to before they were even conceived.

We will pay for the program by putting together the budget of NASA with
all of the money spent on catching/trying/incarcerating possessors of
illicit drugs (should be plenty of money there) and any other victimless
crimes.

The benefits of doing this are many fold; it will stimulate the economy,
produce valuable R&D spin-offs for industry, provide useful jobs for
scientists and engineers among other things.


>: Paul Harris              :
>                                   Robert E. McElwaine

-other Andy
From: CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Aztecs
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:22:00 GMT
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        I read an interview with the head of the Temple Mount Faithful last
year and even he said that he wasn't sure that he thought there should be a
return to the sacrifices even if the Third Temple were built.  I know there
are Jews that want to bring it back, but my impression is that they are in
a tiny minority, and that Judaism has grown since the destruction of the
Second Temple.  It is the post-temple, ethical side of Judaism that made
me decide to convert (or rather adopt because I was never formally anything
else).

                                                Chris Morrison
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Subject: Re: Aztecs
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:30:00 GMT
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John-
The fall of the Aztecs to technology was also assisted by the introduction
of various diseases by the Spaniards from the old world.  During Cortes's
first attempt at taking Teotihuacan,the ancient Aztec capitol, his forces
were decimated by the bows, arrows and spears of the indians.  Cortes
lost an estimated 50-75% of his forces.  Within the calendar year after
this first attempt the Aztec population was reduced by 50% by small pox,
measles, mumps, flu and the common cold introduced by the Spaniards.
Shortly thereafter the Spaniards, "high-technology" conquered the Aztecs.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:15:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Aztecs

   I saw a PBS series on the Aztecs.  Their accomplishments were fascinating
however they are marred by the gruesome acts of human sacrafice.  How could
they be so barbaric?
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:58:51 -0500
From:         MARTIN FOX <FOXML@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      2nd Pres. Debate
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  Certianly better than the V.P debates and quite a bit better than the 1st
debate.  The moderator was horrible, however.  She seemed rather biased
with statements like "to Ross Perot, who has answers on everything", and
"to the education president", not to mention that she was rather annoying
throughout.  The audience's questions seemed fairly general in subject
matter, with no real contreversy coming through.
  Bush seemed to continue his performance from the last debate, although
he seemed a bit less nervous.  He, of course, offered nothing new, signifing,
I think, his real lack of direction beyond his previous policies.
  Perot appeared to use lines and colloguilisms over again.  Thus the spont-
eniaty that he seemed to exhibit is shown as rehearsed.  I'm reminded a bit
of where Nixon in 1968 attempted to win younger votes by saying that they
could get "a piece of the action".  These staged, cliched responses show a
lack of depth and an attempt to cover his vaugely defined positions on most
issues.
  Clinton seemed too reserved, esp. in the beginning of the debate.  He did,
however, pick up towards the end and left a favorable impression.
  The way the questions were asked seems
to have put Clinton at a slight
disadvantage as being the last to answer the questions after  Perot's and
Bush's winded and often empty responses.  I think Clinton did overcome this,
though, especially towards the end.
  My prediction of results:  Perot will slowly but steadily lose support
as it becomes apparent that he represents nothing but a desire to avoid
"slowdancing", and, while this earns him some votes from those disgusted
with the system, he offers very little of real substance.  Bush presented
nothing new, nor well he, and Clinton more than held his own, thus holding
and perhaps increasing his lead.

-Martin
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:08:41 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: post-debate reaction
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              12 Oct 1992 12:13:13 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WV NET.EDU>

On Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:13:13 -0400 <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU> said:
>MacPhil:
>>Saturday's NYTimes had a cover story (at least the Nat'l edition did)
>>about Clinton refusing to hand over his health reports.  The physicians
>>will confirm he is healthy, as will his staff, but details will be made
>>public only after he is elected.  The article went on to point out the
>>timing of this attitude just after the physicians conducting the
>>JFK autopsy revealed the fact JFK's adrenal glands were nearly gone.
>>Not that this is important, per se, but the JFK et al denied there were
>>any problems (at all).

>For what it's worth (?), I saw a blurb of Clinton explaining that the
>problem with the NYT was an information glitch -- the campaign had been
>preparing the material the Times requested, but somehow it never got there.
>He said he was working on it . . .

Not yet ready seems a little different than what the Times printed:
that the information would be made available *after* Clinton won.
I'm not doubting him any, but very little concerning him seems
very straightforward and forthright.  Everything depends upon the
context in which they are presented.  I'm not saying he's any different
than the other candidates, but to hear him make claims...

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
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Subject: Re: parole
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:44:36 GMT
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:35:56 CDT Teddy Jack Eddy said:
>*** Resending note of 10/16/92 12:43
>In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:32:58 CDT from <SPRG0002@TULSAJC>
>
>From:         Teddy Jack Eddy <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET>
>
>>So if a prisoner shoves another and a mini riot starts, we are
>>gonna charge them with crimes and will actually waste the court
>>system time and try to convict a prisoner of the crime of
>>shoving someone else?
>>-KAT
>
>I was under the impression that inciting a riot was a crime.  Why do
>not favor prosecuting such an offense?  What other crimes do you think
>we should not prosecute?

I'm sure the inmate could get support from the ACLU that they were
only practicing "civil disobedience". :)

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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:45:13 CDT
From:         Sue Clark <SACLARK@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Congressional Record Reading

Hello Kerry,

I just realized that I sent this to the POLITICS list, instead of sending
it directly to you, but anyway.....

I found an article in the Congressional Record, Vol. 138, Monday Sept.
28, 1992  #135 starting on page S15426 that you may wish to read entitled
"The Myth of Overcutting our Forests".  I thought maybe you would be interest-
ed in it.

If anyone else is intersted this issue also contains the lengthy debate on the
"Crime Bill", and "For Ethanol - The Future is Now" on the lifting of EPA
restrictions.

Just thought you would like to see it to see what our Senate is up to these
days.

Sue Clark
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:33:48 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: the debate - home game

fred:
>Many cult series, such as star trek, have drinking games associated with
>them that cover certain catch phrases or scenes. I propose that we come
>up with our own game in time for the next debate. To start the ball
>rolling, here are one drink minimum items for the next debate:
>
>- Every time goerge says "tax and spend"
>
>- Every time Perot says "are we gonna do it or just talk about it?"
>
>- Every time Clinton says "Bush is running against every democrat
>except me"

If we want to become really inebriated, I'd suggest adding:
    - Every time Bush says "trust"
    - Every time Clinton says "change"
    - Every time Perot says he belongs to the people, not the special
interests

Kerry