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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: News from the Bay Area (No not *that* Bay Area - Green Bay!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:44:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr14.193116.6887@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.164747.29571@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...
>
>>In article <1992Apr13.185313.18030@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>		[ .... other stuff deleted .....]
>>>The lack of a FB troubles me.  
>> 
>>The lack of a FB troubles me as well, but if the Pack drafts one
>>with their #1 pick, Wolf will have already proven himself to be
>>as big an idiot as Tom Braatz when it comes to conducting a draft
>>(I don't believe this is the case).  It is this short-sighted
>>drafting from need that has caused the Packers to be a doormat
>>for the past 10 years (except '89).  This is what caused such draft such
>>flops as Rich Campbell, Bruce Clark, Brent Fullwood, Ken Davis, 
>>Robbie Bosco, and Shawn Patterson
>>(you could possibly add Tony Mandarich and Darryl Thompson to this
>>list in the future).  With the 5th pick in the draft the Packers have
>>the opportunity to get a great player.  They can't blow this pick 
>>by filling a hole.  The best FB in the draft is Tommy Vardell from
>>Stanford and he is projected as a late first rounder at best.  It
>>is my opinion that the Pack should take one of the following players
>>(depending on who is still available):  
>>	1.) Troy Vincent - CB, Wisconsin
>>	2.) Sean Gilbert - DL, Pitt
>>	3.) Bob Whitfield - OT, Stanford
>>	4.) Quitan Coryett - LB, Texas A&M
>>I am assuming Entman will definitely be gone.  The Packers should save 
>>drafting of an FB to a later round.
>
>I'd be happy if the Packers drafted any of these people.  The only 
>thing is that, as I've said before, I don't believe in these 
>'projection' things.  I'd like to point out that many of the players 
>you point to as flops were 'projected' to be great players in the NFL.
>
>And, of course, I can name lots of players that were totally 
>unheralded in college who become stars in the pros.  How many teams 
>passed on Dan Marino before Miami selected him?  26?  I think he was 
>something like the 5th QB taken.
>

The keys are, first of all, if the Packers really want an FB #1
trade down because he will surely be available in the middle of
the first round.  We all know the Pack could use the extra picks
obtained from trading down.  Second, teams get burned by picking
solely from need.  They reach for players that aren't highly rated
and typically end up disappointed,
such as the Cardinals did with Eric Swann last year.  The Packers
are another perfect example of a team that has drafted due to
need, not the best player available.  As a result, the team is
not very talented.  If this is a good year for OL, DL, and DB why not
stock up on those positions early.  They can always draft a fullback
in the mid rounds or pick up a blocking fullback via waiver or
trade.

Todd
From: apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T. Steegman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills draft picks?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Anyone heard who the Bills might pick?  The stores here in SmAlbany
only have like two copies of the sporting news each week, so I haven't been
able to keep up.  I'd be interested to see if the Bills pick a DE to take
Bruce Smiths position.

Tom Steegmann
Bills in 93, Cause I'm not getting any younger!
From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Who is this Brister guy anyway?
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:22:31 GMT
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering

In article <1992Apr8.154631.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk> ug9229@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
>WHO IS THIS BRISTER GUY ANYHOW????
>

   Apparently he's some hotshot QB on the east coast.  Al Davis is working
out a trade to send Schroeder, Lott, and Waymer to Pitt in exchange for 
him and the highly under-rated Tim "the Toe" Worley.


>Didn't he get drafted for some  no-name team and fade into
>obscurity because he couldn't throw an orgy in a brothel??
>

   It's that nasty Pitt weather.  Now if they put a dome on he might
do better.  (or at least run out of excuses)


--
"Dad, you're not losing a daughter...you're gaining.....Ted"
Greg Paul  (Mouser)		  |  paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu  GO SPARTANS!!
MSCS student?, Insight technician |     Triangle Fraternity
"Sex is heritary. If your parents never had it, chances are you won't either."
From: markn@salerno.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 1st 5draft predictions
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:39:20 GMT
Reply-To: markn@salerno.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

In article <1992Apr14.193939.7162@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu
(JOHN HEIM	) writes:
> In article <53910@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>,
markn@salerno.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass) writes...
> 
> >   Here is my guess for how the 1st 5 picks will go in the draft
> >[Deletions]
> > 
> >5.) Green Bay - They need RB, DL, DB, OL
> >              Pick    Sean Gilbert DE
> 
> So, the Pack needs RBs, DLs, DBs, and OLs, huh?  Not saying this is 
> untrue but I was wondering if you could explain why you think the 
> Packers need DBs, for instance.  Can you name the starters in the 
> secondary for the Packers at the end of last year?  Just testing.
> 
> John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
> **************** Not responsible for lost or stolen articles.
****************

   I listed DB as 3rd most pressing need because Leroy Butler, Chuck
Cecil, Vinnie
Clark, Jerry Holmes and Mark Murphy are not exactly an Elite Crew, this
is also whom
I think were the starters at the end of the season. I believe Vinnie
Clark replaced 
Jerrie Holmes during the week before the second Tampa Bay game last season.
   I'll bet between all of the defensive backs on the Packers team they didn't 
even receive one vote for the Pro Bowl. Leroy Butler is probably the
best of the
bunch but lacks speed, Chuck Cecil throws his body around and gets some
good hits, but
usually after the other team has the first down. Its to early to rule
out Vinnie
Clark, but he got burned a lot last year as a rookie, he has the speed
and atletic
ability to be their best back this year. Mark Murphy is to old and to
slow to help
out in passing downs. Jerry Holmes and Roland Mitchell are nothing special.
  The Packers did however rank 14th in the NFL Pass Defense and I would have 
ranked the OL as a more pressing need except that I think the main reason
that the offensive line was so bad is because the offensive line coach was bad.


Mark Nass
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:01:10 -0400 
From: King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Jets, blah blah blah

On 14-Apr-92 in Re: Jets, blah blah blah     
user T. Steegman@ubvmsb.cc.bu writes:
>	I guess all this debate over who is better between the Jets and
>'Phins is more or less useless.  The Bills are not going to collapse this
>year.  They may not go 13-3, but they will win the division and get home
>field throughout the playoffs.  I'm sure the 'Phins will only be a game
>or two behind though.  Coslet is no Don Shula. Get that strait. Again,
>Coslet is no Don Shula.  Geez, the Jets have one slightly above mediocre
>season and everyone has them wearing the ring next year.  They will be
>lucky to beat out the Pats this year, much less the 'Phins or Bills.  With
>the outlawing of chop blocking, Coslet has no way of running the ball against
>any half decent defence.  Toon is on his way out (though I have always liked
>him, he seemed only to play hard on occasion last year) and Moore cant do it
>all himself.  Look for Miami to get the wild card, then watch them come to
>Buffalo in January and lose big.
> 
>Tom Steegmann
>Bills in 93, Cause I'm not getting any younger!
>apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu

No one has yet said that the Jets would win it all.  Us Jets fans only
hope to make the playoffs again, and I doubt many of us think we can win
the East, but most of us think the Jets will win a wild-card berth.

I don't think Coslet is a Shula, not yet anyway.  But then again, how
many coaches can match him?  Some, but not too many.  Marv Levy? 
Questionable.  Anyway, Levy didn't turn the Bills around immediately, it
took time, and the Jets are in that stage, although I don't think
they'll be as dominant as the Bills were in the last two years.  I think
the Jets will be battling in the playoffs for the next few years, if too
many disasters don't strike.


-------------
King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: rjk@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Moving Up in the Draft?
Date: 16 Apr 1992 19:53:14 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <1992Apr16.125016.2895@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>Todays USA Today had more info...It says that If Vincent survives the first
>2 picks of Indy then the Skins will trade up with the Rams and snag him. 
>They supposedly (inferred from article) have a deal all ready to go that
>the Rams apparently must find acceptable.  The USA Today (the worlds most
>common pre-coloreed coloring book) reports that Casserly has deals set with
>15 different teams.

I think the Rams might want to deal with a few teams.  They 
obviously could leverage their #3 pick for two first rounders,
or a lower first rounder and other picks.  One player is not going
to do it for them at this point.  
A rumor I just heard was that Miami was asking Indy for the top pick
in the draft in exchange for the Dolphins' #7 and #12 picks in the
first round.  Miami apparently wants Steve Emtman.  If I were Jim
Irsay, I'd take it.  He still has #2, could use #7, and play with #12
by trading down to acquire 2nd or 3rd round picks for depth.
I have a feeling this is going to be a  L O N G  first round with
all the wheeling, dealing, and talking.


Ray   GO COWBOYS!!!!!!  6 picks in first 3 rounds!!!!
From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BUBBY BRISTER RUMORED TO BE TRADED
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:11:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr05.215859.8255@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
>The Brown and White out of Bethlehem reported in their weekly sports column
>that Bubby Brister will be traded sometime this week for Jeff George and wide
>receiver Billy Brooks.  Anyone else hear of this?

Haven't heard it.  Wouldn't trade you Billy for Bubby straight up!

-- 
Edwin G. Green
AT&T Bell Laboratories          Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
INH 1E-506                      317-845-3659
egg@inuxy.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Montana
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:45:08 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Apr16.122825.1@vax.sonoma.edu> correa@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>	
>
>	What's all this talk about Joe Montana returning to old form. Joe
>Montana will never be the same again,I'm not saying he wont be able 
>to start and perform adequetly.But really, after all the surgery he's had
>he is not the old Joe.
>
>	Wait till he takes a snap and "Bruce and the Bills" come 
>hunting for #16, if Joe Montana is still up to par then we can talk 
>about how Joe Montana is back to old form.

Brings up a good point, is Bruce Smith going to be up to his old self? I
haven't heard much of about him during offseason. Has he improved since the
end of last season? It would be a shame to see another great player bite the
dust because of a knee injury.

Somethin, that most the 49er detractors seem to forget, Montana never seemed
to be all that great atheletically on the field. Just about every qb that
has set the bench behind him has been more athletic. And nearly every other
starting qb is better athelically. His best attribute has been his field
presence, reading of the game, competitiveness, and those short little passes.
So maybe the elbow injury has cut down on his ability to throw deep. I don't
think it has affected his strong points though.

Still seems like more people are interested in how Montana comes back than
who wins the super bowl.

Tom


From: gc4403@col.hp.com (George Castaneda)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:34:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Steve Deberg signs with TB
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro


            I agree KC made a mistake in letting DeBerg go.   He is
            better than Kreig and defintely does not fumble as much.
            If Tampa Bay has problems with Vinnie watch them go to
            Deberg quickly.   I think he still has a few good years
            left.


            But hey, what do I know.  I am a Bronco Fan!


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From: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Subject: Re: BUBBY BRISTER RUMORED TO BE TRADED
Reply-To: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:29:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr05.215859.8255@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
>The Brown and White out of Bethlehem reported in their weekly sports column
>that Bubby Brister will be traded sometime this week for Jeff George and wide
>receiver Billy Brooks.  Anyone else hear of this?
>-- 

I think someone MUST be pulling your leg, Tony.  Brister sucks, and
George and Brooks are major parts of the Colts O.

shaun


-- 
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 ==     "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"     ==
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From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:12:45 GMT
Subject: Re: BUBBY BRISTER RUMORED TO BE DEAD
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

/ hpdmd48:rec.sport.football.pro / mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) /  4:23 pm  Apr  7, 1992 /
The Black and Gold out of Nazareth reported in their weekly sports column
that Bubby Brister will be killed sometime this week by Jeff George and wide
receiver Billy Brooks. Anyone else hear of this?
----------
 	
	I heard Pittsburgh was trading Brister to San Diego to
	re-aquire the rights to Mark Malone, and that Jeff George
	was going to kill Billy Brooks because he screwed up the
	trade to Pitsburgh, and that Billy Brooks plans to kill
	everyone because nobody respects him.
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steve Deberg signs with TB
Date: 11 Apr 92 08:22:43 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <64070004@col.hp.com>, gc4403@col.hp.com (George Castaneda) writes:
> 
>             I agree KC made a mistake in letting DeBerg go.   He is
>             better than Kreig and defintely does not fumble as much.
>             If Tampa Bay has problems with Vinnie watch them go to
>             Deberg quickly.   I think he still has a few good years
>             left.
> 
> 
>             But hey, what do I know.  I am a Bronco Fan!

DeBerg could be Tampa's salvation this year...then he retires.  DeBerg is a
quality QB but is suffering from age, and the fact that hey, he wasn't any
superstar to begin with.  DeBerg is comepetent enough to put TB into the
playoffs assuming that the young D plays up to form, the O plugs leaks,
and Wyche actually lives up to his promises.  In otherwords if several
miracles happen then DeBerg gets to retire after his most impressive pro
season.
Brian mulholland
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: Jimmie Johnson to Detroit
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 21:16:57 GMT

It will be interesting to see how Detroit uses Jimmie Johnson.  The
man has fantastic hands but lacked in run blocking, which hurt
him with the Redskins.  If Detroit uses him mainly for his
pass catching ability, they should be quite  satisfied with
their acquisition.

					me
From: correa@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: How good is Bubby Brister????
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:02:18 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

Bubby Brister,

	How good is he really, aside from all the hoopla and opinions 
is he really a total loss , after all he does play in the NFL.

	Are his stats bad because of bad o-line or other factors. 
could he would he perform better with a better o-line in front of 
him and better coaching.




	Can anybody out there confirm the rumors about the trade
between the Raiders and Pittsburgh concerning Bubby Brister.





Silver & Black



doesn't is suck all these kids go home for spring break and I'm stuck here
reading the NETNEWS. bummer
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Colts want both pix! Howard and Emtman!
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:36:49 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University




I still say the Colts will have a winning season!!!

The draft picks, the signings, the healing of wounds (notably Dickerson),
all point to a very succesful year!!

Something is up, and I'm worried...

for the Bills, that is...


THE OFFENSIVE CONTEST OF THE YEAR: BILLS VS. THE NINERS!!!!!!!

FASTEN YOUR SAFETY BELTS!!!!


delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu

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From: George.Harris@bbs.oit.unc.edu (George Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: No interest on Jerry Rice -- surprise??
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:59:33 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr3.161746.11567@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto) writes:
>
>Then they do the same to you, and salaries get totally out of control.  Remember
>George Steinbrenner, and what his insane spending has led to in baseball?  
>I think the NFL owners have that firmly in mnd when it comes to free agency...

	The baseball owners thought of that too.  It's called collusion, and 
it's illegal.  It cost the baseball owners millons and millions of dollars.

>James John DiBenedetto (jjde@po.cwru.edu, V064QPCD@ubvms.buffalo.edu)
--
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From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Moving Up in the Draft?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:38:38 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr15.151215.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67709317@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
> In article <4dv4fDW00VAyNNSWdL@andrew.cmu.edu>, et00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erich William Trowbridge) writes:
>> I read in USA Today that the skins want to trade up for some cornerback
>> to compliment Green.
> 
> But everyone compliments Green already.  He's *still* the fastest man in the
> NFL, and he's an excellent pass defender.  I think the Skins should look for a
> CB who can *play*, not just dish out compliments.
> 
> P.S.   CARDS RUKE!!!!!1
> -- 
> Greg Franklin                             "Death is everywhere,
> f67709317@ccit.arizona.edu          there are fries on the windscreen."


Todays USA Today had more info...It says that If Vincent survives the first
2 picks of Indy then the Skins will trade up with the Rams and snag him. 
They supposedly (inferred from article) have a deal all ready to go that
the Rams apparently must find acceptable.  The USA Today (the worlds most
common pre-coloreed coloring book) reports that Casserly has deals set with
15 different teams.  I would like a corner to play accross Green as well,
but Mayhew has done a remarkable job escpecially considering he is just
a plan-b pickup from thew Bills.  For a Plan-Ber he has done great things.
Brian Mulholland
From: mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BUBBY BRISTER RUMORED TO BE DEAD
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:23:02 GMT
Organization: Twin Peaks Sheriff Department

The Black and Gold out of Nazareth reported in their weekly sports column
that Bubby Brister will be killed sometime this week by Jeff George and wide
receiver Billy Brooks. Anyone else hear of this?
From: ccas27@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WLAF Ohio Glory 0-10????
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:07:46 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Apr06.173835.25344@demon.co.uk>, coombes@tcom.stc.co.uk (Philip Coombes) writes:
> 
> 
> Any ideas what the WLAF will do if Ohio follow Raleigh-Durham into 0-10 
> obscurity ????
> 
> Stan,
> 
   Move to Indianapolis or Foxboro. I still think they should have kept 
   Raleigh-Durham going, because they had a great chance of breaking Tampa
   Bays consecutive games lost streak.

> ********************************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New England Patriots, The Team of Destiny in the 90's <<<<<<<<<<<<<
              Destined to get beaten to a pulp by the Dolphins twice a year.
> ********************************************************************************
> Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em, That I got no cerebellum, | Ramones,
> Now I'll have to break the news, that I got no mind to lose. | Teenage Lobotomy
  This proves what I had already suspected about Patriots fans ;-)
> ********************************************************************************

   Andy.

   Forca Dragons.

   Don't vote Tory - vote tactically.
From: un040276@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: S.F. and Raiders.....
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:05:56 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


     I was wondering, by the way this more from last season, in the hell 
S.F. got rid of Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott.  I am a S.F. and a Raider fan
but I thought It was kinda silly to get rid of those two, to me Ronnie is one
of the best safeties in the NFL and for Roger well he is a great running back.
But of coarse they could not have went ot a better team, the raiders, They
really did not need another running back, I guess to replace Bo, but as for the 
safety they got a deal.  I think ronnie will help the raiders alot.  Now they
need a line to block for the QB and the running backs, also they need a new QB,
schorder Has has never hit his prime and never will.  I think it is time for so 
fresh blood back there........
                                             John Hinkle........