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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Schreien (was Re: Ry Schwark Bytes!)
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:31:16 GMT

>In article <1ai049INNigb@mizar.usc.edu>
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>>In article <1992Oct2.121837.22522@macc.wisc.edu> 
>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>In article <1992Oct2.030453.25445@syacus.acus.oz.au>
>>>brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:

>>>>What about "Schrei"? That's the Yiddish word for "scream".

>>>German.

>>Also Yiddish.  

[several follow-up posts deleted]

Well, you two, _I_ think that if we're gonna "do competition", we should
pick a topic on which we don't _already agree_.  (*SHREI!*)

[virtual smiley goes here -->   ]

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Faggots
Followup-To: soc.men
Summary: TITTY SAUCE YAMS (part III)
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:03:08 GMT

[this really *is* the recipe...]

     Boil sweet potatoes with the jackets on for 20 minutes in water
with 1 1/2 teaspoons of salt per quart.  Remove and put them into an
oven at 380 degrees and bake until done [no comma] usually about 40
minutes.  Never remove the jackets of sweet potatoes and try to boil
them.  This ruins them entirely.  [this is good advice about tricks,
too.]  Take from the oven and remove the skins or jackets.  Spoon them
into bite size portions and put in a shallow vegetable dish.  Avoid
breaking up the flesh as much as possible.  [*always* avoid breaking
up flesh, kids.]  Pour a generous amount of the following sauce over
them at once [don't answer that phone!] and serve.

[sauce-tease that i am, i'm reserving the flavor secret for another
occasion...]
From: markp@sybase.com (Mark Page)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Faggots
Keywords: Faggots
Date: 25 Sep 92 15:55:28 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

First I must admit that I am quite a muffin.  I've read motss for years
but this is my first post.  I'm very active in GLB issues at my employer
and have recent helped score a big success on the DP benefits issue.

I often am dismayed at the tendency on motss to flame to death everything
in sight.  I've particularily watched this thread, and I must say that
some of us need to calm down a little, and be more tolerant.  We will never,
as a group, get anywhere if our overwelming tendency is to be intolerant.
And frankly, I don't beleive we would particularily deserve to gain
others tolerance if we are incapable of it ourselves.

Is this guy right.  Of course not.  But the rude, offensive attitude I
see here (virtually all the time) is just as wrong.  I ask you to please
develop a better more mature, more tolerant attitude.  We will all benefit 
by it.

 - Mark

Mark Page
e-mail: markp@sybase.com
v-mail: 510 596 3970

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Redemption: epilogue
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 07:49:54 GMT

Thank you, everyone, for your kind responses to my recent post
"Redemption".  I was overwhelmed by the unexpected outpouring of love 
and humanity that has been shown towards me; the phrase "thank you"
seems so inadequate for the feelings I'd really like to express to all
of you.

At Barry's suggestion, I plan to gather the original post along
with all the responses it generated and send them to Pat's widow
David, who is living in San Francisco and is still coming to
terms with his devastating loss.  It will mean a lot to David to know
that Pat can continue to touch people even after his death.

And you will have helped someone whom I love deeply to find the will
to live again, for which I owe you a second (and even more inadequate)
thank you...

-- 
Brent Capps           | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com | Know what to kiss, and when.
bcapps@atlastele.com  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: Tears in Terre Haute (was Re: Faggots)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:08:12 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Mmmm, Harleys.  One of my unfulfilled dreams, a motorcycle
>(but not a Harley; something not too large but elegant in
>the way of a BMW would suit me, I think.  It's one of those
>things -- there are many -- I never get around to.)

I had a Harley once.  He drove a regulation stock car with a bumper sticker
that read "Follow Me to the Wynnewood OK Assembly of God Church".

-- 
Brent Capps           | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com | Know what to kiss, and when
bcapps@atlastele.com  |
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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<thaaang.717392538@cwis> <4#0n19=.jfh@netcom.com>
	<Bv5066.89@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:40:39 GMT

On Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:58:53 GMT, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) said:

Mike> In <4#0n19=.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>Actually, this is highly dependent on geography.  You won't see that in San
>Francisco, but hop on BART and ride to Concord, and there they are, The
>Ladies With Big Hair.  

Mike> Oh, but you haven't _really_ seen Big Hair until you've gone to a 
Mike> Tent Revival in the Deep South (tm) during the summer.

Mike> I've seen hair "Jacked to Jeeeessssus" with so much hair spray that a
Mike> small hole opened up in the ozone layer over southern West Virginia,
Mike> eastern Kentucky, and southwestern Virginia (and this was only _one_
Mike> revival meeting near the common borders of those three states).

Well, some Southern Big Hair is NOT intentional.  I have
slightly-longer-than-shoulder-length hair, in a curly perm.  Here at
home in the SoCal High Desert, it's a nice, fairly compact hair style,
with just enough fluff, but it's not Big Hair.

I went to Nashville in July for a conference and did I have a bad
hair _week_.  Everytime I'd go outdoors, my hair would fluff out 
another inch in all directions.  It was out to my shoulders in no
time.

But the hair fit in so well in the glassed-in garden at the Opryland
Hotel, with the country-jazz harpist, in the red sequined suit and the
pink baby spot, playing The Battle Hymn of the Republic to the adoring
multitude as it waved its American flags in its left hands with its
right hands over its hearts. 

Interesting that they'd glassed in the garden, planted it with tropical
plants, and air-conditioned it--they managed to recreate San Diego.
Except that I've never seen a country-jazz harpist, etc, in San Diego.

Mike> And don't even mention the coiffures done for weddings or family 
Mike> reunions........ 

Or the Big Week at Opryland.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: If you haven't sent your checks to no-on-hate yet, do it!
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:03:27 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In (Bob Donahue) sniffles:
> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> 
> 	-but never addresses any issues
> 	-insults when he can't address the issue
> 	-calls me a liar when he can't address the issue
> 
> 	Michael - you're not worth it.
> 
> 	Give it up.

   Yeah right. Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you'll eventually
believe it. Pot. Kettle. Black. Pathetic.
   BTW, don't expect silence when you make ludicrous claims and 
boldfaced lies. It ain't the way it works crybaby.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Frozen Green Tomatoes (mild spoilers)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:17:11 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>>Hm.  I saw the movie, and thought they were lesbian.  (When Idgie
>>touches Ruth's face, for example.)  I read the book and thought the
>>same.  It's more subtle in the movie, I'll give you that.

>It is.  I suggest to anyone who remains unconvinced, though, to watch
>the movie again and pay particular attention to the scene in the Cafe
>when Idgie tells Ruth that she doesn't "have to worry about Frank
>Burns anymore."  That clinched it for me.

It took *that* long? I was convinced during the bee-taming scene. And
the women just looked so *fascinated* by each other! It had to be
love.

John, who still thinks Mary Stuart Masterson is absolutely gorgeous

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Catholic archbishop opposes Measure 9
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:36:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct1.133658.25101
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

The Oregonian, Oct.1, 1992

Roman Catholic Archbishop William J. Levada asked Oregonians on Wednesday
to defeat Ballot Measure 9.

"It is discriminatory and potentially harmful to homosexual citizens," he
said at a news conference in archdiocesan headquarters in Portland.  "Human
rights are basic.  Violence and discrimination against anyone is immoral."

In a four page statement, Levada reiterated church leader's previous 
opposition to the initiative, which would amend Oregon's Constitition to 
require all government bodies and school districts to discourage 
homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism and masochism.  It also would ban 
specific human rights guarantees for homosexuals and prohibit government
"promotion" of homosexuality.

He said he would meet with priests of the Western Oregon archdiocese
Thursday to discuss ways to publicize the statement.  Oregon bishops 
last year urged Catholics not to sign the initiative petitions to place
the measure on the Nov. 3 ballot.

Levada, speaking as the director of the Oregon Catholic Conference, the 
political arm of the state's 285,000 Roman Catholics, said Measure 9 was 
ambiguous and far too broad in scope.

He noted that the Catholic Church condemns homosexual activity but teaches
that homosexuals "must be recongized as fellow citizens who deserve justice
and friendship."....................

.......Levada said the church does not believe sexual orientation should
be equated with race or ethnicity for the purpose of specific human rights 
guarantees.  He also called for a broad public debate about issues relating
to homosexuality........


dis
From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sexual orientation clause
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:33:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: copland.1ad2vbINN4kc
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: copland.crhc.uiuc.edu

larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:

> 09/28/92
> 
>   List of organizations who have a "sexual orientation" clause
>as part of policy ...

>CORPORATIONS/BUSINESS

Please add my once and future employer, the Intel Corporation, to this list!

And put a star next to their name for the Sacramento,CA site, where I
came *completely* out and got a singularly positive reception.

The last time I rejoined the company (I've been alternating work and school)
they made me sign a statement that I knew and understood that I could be 
terminated for harassing anyone gay!

Paul 

-- 
Paul Ryan                  (pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu)     1308 West Main St.
Center for Reliable High-Performance Computing     Urbana, IL 61801
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign         (217) 244-7179
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:31:12 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1amhhuINNkgl@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> For the record, I'm a Lacto-Ovo-Vegetarian
>Yes, that's right folks, pen those cows up into those tiny-teeny
>little pens and feed 'em that synthetic hay, and hook those cups
>up to their udders and milk 'em and milk 'em and milk 'em until
>they're dead, but don't you *dare* think about eating them.
>Yes, indeed, I just *love* those vegetarians with a conscience.

Fuck you, Arne. Do you think there is some merit in offending random
people by insulting what they feel strongly about, or are you just
practicing your role as soc.motss.bitchy.queen?

ObMotss - I'm about 10 minutes from hopping the bus until the No on 9
rally. The mood for me is *anger* - I've got my Queers Bash Back shirt
on (which presents all sorts of problems, seeing as how I at least
claim to be a pacifist). We'll see how the rally goes..
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                            Love under will
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: Donahue, Monday 9/28
Keywords: same-sex marriages
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:29:01 GMT

In article <lc57h4INNk6k@peaches.cs.utexas.edu> sds@cs.utexas.edu (Sara Strandtman) writes:
>This reminder is an 11th hour effort re Monday's Donahue program.
>In July my lover, Karen  and I placed a wedding announcement, 
>which included our photo,
>in the Austin-American Statesman.  Two days later, a "Christian" am talk
>show host called a press conference denouncing the paper for running the
>ad

I just wanted to say publically that I'm sooooo proud of you
and your partner for taking such a positive stand in rejoicing
in your union.  I'm also proud of the Austin-American
Statesman for recognizing such loving unions should be
recognized as equal (ie. no extra rights) in their
announcements section.  I'm also very proud of the readers who
responded in such an affirming light.

I'm very saddened though that there were some who could not
listen to their own hearts, but choose to listen to the
hate-filled and angry words of bigots and poor ignorant
people.  In time...
-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com          voice: 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      609 Science Drive          Moorpark, CA  93021 
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
-=>NOTE:  The feed to tdbear@tandon.com may be interrupted in Sept.<=-
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:10:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.204041.15857@husc3.harvard.edu>, goldfarb@husc4.harvard.edu (Warren Goldfarb) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.212925.207@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> >
> >(*) Actually, to tie this into another recent thread, a sure clue that
> >a caller is a stranger, probably looking to sell something, is a
> >request to speak to "John Jintell", although "Gintle" is also a common
> >indicator. Similarly, anyone who asks for me as "Bob".
> 
> To be precise, either a stranger or else someone who knew Mr. Coren 
> twenty-five years ago.
>

Hmm, I guess I did answer to "Bob" back in my college days. All the
fault of my 9th-grade English teacher, who *knew* that all Roberts
were called "Bob", and was not to be argued with. Took me 10 years to
muster the self-confidence to fight back.

Gee, did I hang up on you, Warren? I'm sorry, I had no idea it was
you. Why didn't you say?

  Robert
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 15:44:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.181024.12237@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>I claim that is a clever plan of yours to attrit opera lovers in
>one-and a half generations. Are you working for Helmut Kohl over there?

It's no fun liking opera if everyone else gets to like it too.  And I
am being paid by the German government.  Nominally, this is for coming
up with more useless facts about algebra. 



-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The Most Famous Woman In The World (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:07:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <mattm-061092095526@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew 
Melmon) writes:
>
>Back to Bare Breasts - it cannot be denied (well, not credibly) that 
>she is a cultural icon, for good or ill.  But she is not a cultural
>icon because she is wealthy.  She is, perhaps, the most famous woman
>in the world

I don't think so.  I'd vote for Elizabeth Taylor or Queen Elizabeth II.  QE
isn't exactly famous, I guess, just well known. 

>- which confers wealth - but how she got there has more
>to do with a tremendous sense not only of self-promotion, but of 
>knowing *what* to promote.

Not everyone who is famous is wealthy.  

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:53:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.165759.6657@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>
>Andeyo Atashi!  KOREAN!  

Sore demo ii.  anata wa ne!

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Denholm Elliott
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:21:55 GMT

> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>For anyone who doesn't already know this,
>Denholm Elliott has just died at his home in Ibiza
>of "AIDS-related tuberculosis".

Oh damn.  I suppose I've seen him in dozens, if not scores
of things, on TV and in the movies -- one of those great,
self-effacing ensemble players that Britain produces in
wonderful droves.  I cherish him most as the deliciously
eccentric "old Mr. Emerson" in Merchant&Ivory's "A Room With
a View,"  a warm, roguish, loving and lovable performance that
must surely have reflected something of his own nature.  What
a loss.
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From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:16:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.022850.1632@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
[about the "motss.blacklist"]
> I well remember at least one pissing match with Clay Bond.

Oh, well, this really doesn't count. Just about anybody was likely to
get into a pissing match with Clay Bond.(*) And others generally sided
with him because, despite his often-abrasive manner (and apart from an
unaccountable adoration for the works of Richard Strauss :-)), Clay
was usually Right.

And note this:

> The thing that finally
> turned it around for me was a few letters from motssers saying "look,
> Clay's going really hard into you and you should just ignore it,
> because he can be that way.  But you should think about what you are
> saying, objectively, because it is not too clever."

That fact that people troubled to do this is a sure sign that you
evinced at least some small spark of intelligence.

I confess that I don't remember *any* of this, but it all sounds quite
plausible.

---------------

(*) As a matter of fact, I regard it as a proof of my own
insignificance that I never managed to attract an attack from Clay.
Oh, he did sideswipe me once -- amusingly enough, commenting on a plea
I had made for more politeness in soc.motss, something over 3 years
ago.
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Denholm Elliott
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:08:08 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

For anyone who doesn't already know this,
Denholm Elliott has just died at his home in Ibiza
of "AIDS-related tuberculosis".
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*crib-biting* in horses, a vicious habit of biting the manger, etc.,
and swallowing air" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 22:46:36 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67029@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct2.174144.4143@nevada.edu>

Shawn Hicks writes:
>I agree.  Lots of therapy.  Lots of big, hairy men with perky
>nipples and red hair is a good start.  Maybe a few with long
>shaggy beards that tickle, or butts so matted with fur that
>you can't tell the hills from the valleys.  And when I'm all

This part is nice.

>better, I'll let them shave me.  Hair grows back.

This part is obscene.  Just because you can paint over it,
does that mean there's nothing wrong with graffiti?

Or, just because you can have it stitched up and it will heal,
does that mean it's OK for me to cut you up?

>>>If you want *my* chest shaved, you'll have to do it yourself.
>>Anyone who tried this on me would have to learn to enjoy
>>life as a castrato.
>
>George, why would anyone want to mar you in that way?  Besides,

You'll have to ask the chain of fools who keep proposing this
abomination to me.

>I can hardly *reach* your chest.  Did anyone ever tell you you
>were tall? 

No, never.  ;-{)##]


 
() It's always easy to see both sides of an issue we're not
() particularly concerned about.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Them New Faces
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:58:30 GMT

aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>In a previous article, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) "(slaps 
>hand over Sim's cute little mouth)."

>Ooh!  Do that again.

*slap*

>And again.

*SLAP!*

>Ooh!  Such talent.  You should cultivate that.  Maybe an apprenticeship
>with Grandmama KK would do you good.

An 'apprenticeship'? Baby, I been in the trenches with the lady so *many*
times...

>>You *hush* *your* *mouth*!

>Not if it means you're going to stop slapping me!

Don't get mouthy with me, slutpig. *SLAP!!!*

>>Thaaang springs eternal. Take it back!

>Okay.  You've subdued me.  Have your way with me now...

(Ooh! carte blanche!) Grrr...

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
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