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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Paglia (was: Cross-Writing)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 6 JAN 93 23:49:51 GMT

John McCarthy writes: 

>>In general, I prefer discussion of the ideas of a book to discussion 
>>of the personality or skill of the author.  At least discussion of 
>>the ideas should come first. 

Ron Hogan writes:

>In *general*, I prefer this kind of discussion as well. 

So do I.

>If a writer is going to survey WestCiv/WestLit 
>and dismiss Sterne with a casual, "I don't see why people think 
>Tristam Shandy is funny" (again, I'm paraphrasing; my copy of SP is 
>on the East Coast, and I'm on the West), that to me represents a blatant 
>positioning of her own opinion as the arbitrer of truth. 

Paglia is a critic rather than a historian.  You read critics for their
opinions, not to get an unbiased, objective view.

>Which is what everybody else does; they just pretend to be more 
>objective about it.  But if you're going to use the "this is how 
>history is because this is how I say it is" argument, you have to 
>be able to back it up with more than repeated assertions. 

In _Sexual Personae_ Paglia cites a huge number of references, as you mention
in your post.

>And let's face it, Paglia herself contributes to the identification 
>of her personality with the book's content through every TV or 
>magazine appearance she does.  

So does every author who appears on TV or in a magazine -- William F.
Buckley, Garrison Keillor, Stephen King.  That's why they do it.  It doesn't
mean that one can fall back on criticizing their personalities instead of the
merits of their books.

>And the Vintage trade paperback *did* have a snazzy cover

Aha.  Judging a book by its cover, are we?

Just out of curiosity -- since you said you disagreed with her theory of why
some gay males worship Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Judy Garland, 
Marilyn Monroe, et al. -- what's your theory?  I've always been intrigued 
by the reasons behind that kind of cult.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Legal theory, Homophobia, and the Bible
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:43:09 GMT

	Once I thought that Dawkins' notion of a meme--introduced, I believe,
in _The Selfish Gene_ some years ago-- was a metaphor, perhaps
illuminating, perhaps misleading.  However, several years' experience on
Usenet have led me to the conclusion that memetic transmission and infection
are as real as any other kind.  

	For instance, this group has suffered several outbreaks recently,
including the in-crowd/newbie virus, the robust randroid virus, the 
currently dormant Zeleny/gay virus, etc.  I predict this new outbreak--
the homophobe virus--will spread rapidly.

	I have no particular wisdom to offer on this subject (itself a 
meme, of course) but can imagine that discussion of it *might* bring some
interesting ideas forward.  In particular, is it possible or desirable for
r.a.b. (and by extension, other groups) to defend itself from unwanted memes?
Is there any way of establishing that a meme is in fact "unwanted"?  Also,
what are the early warning signs of memetic infection?  And, what is the
net.equivalent of lots of fluids, aspirin, and bed rest?

	Cough cough,



	
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
	"That's a bird bone chair, Bob.  I don't know if I should sit there."
				Tom Waits
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: TROUTMAN@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: ISBN information wanted
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:24:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.220511.6901@iitmax.iit.edu>
>I own into a database (i.e. title,author,type,isbn,price,publisher,etc)
>
>In an attempt to salvage my wrists, I'd like to find a database that
>maps a book's ISBN number to the above information...
>
>I could then simply enter ISBN numbers and fill in the rest of the info
 
Many library online catalogs will allow searching by ISBN.  I would
telnet to a large database (ILLINET Online or MELVYL) and capture
results as you go.
 
Leslie Troutman
Music User-Services Coordinator
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
EMAIL: TROUTMAN@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU
VOICE: 217-244-4071
From: JLINTHI1@ua1vm.ua.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: academic settings
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:11:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

Well, you said all genres, so I'll take a crack at the
mysteries. (Others feel free to add in their suggestions.)
 
Dorothy L. Sayers' GAUDY NIGHT
Amandra Cross' DEATH IN A TENURED POSITION
Carolyn G. Hart's A LITTLE CLASS ON MURDER
PM Carlson's MURDER IS ACADEMIC
Elizabeth George's WELL SCHOOLED IN MURDER
                   FOR THE SAKE OF ELENA
 
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll remember others
right after I post this.
 
Yours,
Julia E. Linthicum
jlinthi1@ ua1vm.ua.edu
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Shouting at robots
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:34:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


If a person (child included) cannot holler at household
appliances, then "what's a heaven for".....?

(I can't wait to yell and curse my mower, tiller, and chainsaw..
my blendor was berated over the holidays....)
-- 
Ted....
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Cross-Writing (was: Books I Got For Xmas)
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:49:51 GMT

In article <6JAN93.17011305@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>MG:
>>I know. But don't forget that Don Zirilli stepped in to explain what
>>you really meant.
>
>So what?

So, it explains how I managed to misunderstand what you were getting at,
so you needn't be quite so impatient with me.

>MG:
>>I'm better at recognition than recall, as are we all, and I'm terrible
>>at making lists of anything.
>
>Well, do let me know if any names come to mind.  Hint: there are a lot
>more male authors who have written from a female point of view.

This is not a terribly useful hint. Historically, there are more male
authors of all sorts. So, it's no surprise that there are a lot more
male authors who've written "from a female point of view."



--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
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From: bhanafee@picasso.ads.com (Brian Hanafee)
Subject: Re: The 10,000 nights of Mike Morris
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
	<C0LHLp.GxA@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> <1993Jan10.091645.16839@netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:49:21 GMT


In article <1993Jan10.091645.16839@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>I once heard eternity defined as two people and a ham.  Perhaps we
>can now redefine it as Mike Morris and a controversy.

Well, it does take two people to make a controversy.  The remainder of
the proof is left as an exercise for the reader.

--
Brian Hanafee                         Advanced Decision Systems
bhanafee@ads.com                      1500 Plymouth Street
(415) 960-7300                        Mountain View, CA 94043-1230
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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: fictional or not, women, cross-dressing
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:36:22 GMT

Danny-Boy writes:
	
	Someone send me suggestions for readings with cross dressing woman,
	fictional or non, perhaps even a reference to a journal study. 
	
	I am working on thinking about writing a book. Don't want to be too
	fanciful.



_9 and 1/2 Weeks_ has a cross dressing episode in it.  I don't remember
the aurhor's name.  The book is very terse, reads almost like an
unedited journal.  All the scenes and development are sketchy, almost
an outline.

BTW, I enjoyed the movie also.  Many didn't.



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: suzannev@sr.hp.com (suzanne vincent)
Subject: Needed: Postal Book Service
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:18:36 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]

Can anyone out there give me the address of a bookseller who
specialises in Fantasy Literature, both new & used, who also
issues catalogues and provides a postal service?

I've heard of such a person named Dick Witter who ran -- or
maybe still does? -- such a business out of Staten Island, New
York, but I've been unable to locate him.

I am particularly interested in collecting the works of Tanith
Lee, and information concerning her own history and background.

Thanks in anticipation.

--
Suzanne Vincent 
c/o  Hewlett-Packard
Santa Rosa, CA
email: suzannev@sr.hp.com
From: hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics (was: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 22:13:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <NICHAEL.93Jan4124500@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.203152.22513@linus.mitre.org> lkahn@mitre.org
(Larry Kahn) writes: 
>
>   Back in high school we had a guy convinced that
>
>   I'm Your Venus           (Shocking Blue, I think)
>
>   was I'm Your Penis and he couldn't figure out how they were playing that 
>   on the radio.
>
>Maybe not all that outlandish.
>
>If I recall correctly (it _has_ been a long time since I heard the
>song), the title is actually "I'm Your Venis".  (Does anyone have a
>copy of the 45 handy?)
>
>Never did figure that one out.
>
>N

*I* think you're both Sensitive New Age Guys who are referring to Geof
Morgan's "Penis Song" but I won't say so because I might get flamed. };)

 Mary Loveless  hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu
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From: jjh00@diag.amdahl.com (Joel Hanes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: OZ books?
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:14:32 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@diag.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale California

In article <9975669@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten) writes:
>I'm wondering if there are people who are interested in the OZ books
>written by Frank L. Baum.
> 
>I am looking for a definitive list of all OZ books as well as physical
>or electronic copies of such. (Including those not written by Baum)

Books Of Wonder is a central source for all OZ books and 
paraphernalia -- I'll bring in the address and post it tomorrow.
Their facsimile copies of some of the early Baum books are
beautifully produced.  They also are the contact for the
OZ fan club, or society, or whatever.

There's a surprising amount of OZiana available.
Dover has the first five or six Baum books available as
cheaply-reprinted paperbacks, as well as a couple other
non-OZ Baum books (e.g., _Zixi_of_Ix_)

In addition to the thirteen or fourteen OZ books by Baum, there
were another dozen or more written by Ruth Plumly Thompson.
The entire series by these two authors was even-more-cheaply
reprinted by one of the paperback houses (Dell?) about ten
years ago, as "Del Ray books", a project of Judy and Lester Del Ray.

A half-dozen or more additional titles have been written by
Baum's relatives and random folks caught up int the OZ world --
but my impression is that these are pretty lousy.

Finally, The Easton Press put out deluxe leather-bound editions
of the first four Baum books a few years ago -- they may still
have some available, and they are really beautifully bound, with
elaborate tooling and gilt lettering, etc.  

---
Joel Hanes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: _Science: Good, Bad, and Bogus_ (was Re: Self-knowledge of bookstore workers & others
Keywords: curious areas of ignorance
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:06:24 GMT

lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr) writes:

>I guess you're referring to The_Irrelevance_of_Arthur_Conan_Doyle,
>in which MG advances the theory that Doyle COULDN'T have written
>the Holmes stories because he's so obviously undevoted to rationality.

>Is this as crackpot as it seems ? I've never heard of this elsewhere.
>Also, MG notes that it is commonly accepted that Cervantes didn't
>actually write Don Quixote. Is this true ?

I kind of thought (call me naive) that Gardner was joking.

But anyway, I can understand why people like Gardner and Randi relentlessly
hound pseudoscientists.  I just think it gets tiresome after a while.  I 
didn't think S:GBB was a "good read" in spite of a lot of pretty interesting
stuff I'd never heard about (e.g. the section on Ramon Lull).  More than 
anything else, it reminded me of a sci.skeptic flame war published in book form. 
--
"I would rather be torn to pieces by the poison-clawed cat, than to suffer one
instant of acceptance by the resident intellectuals of rec.arts.books." 
     [slightly modified; attribution left as an exercise to the reader]
              -- Paul Callahan, callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu --
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto)
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:16:39 GMT

In article <1iad2qINNlsb@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.203628.13812@nas.nasa.gov>, wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
>> 
>> I read one book in 1992.  It was a very good book, but the title and
>> the author's name escape me at the moment.  I highly recommend it.
>> 
>> I'm now searching for a book to read in 1993.  I want to start soon
>> so I'll finish this year.
>
>Are we to assume, then, that your shopping list is very,
>very long but your refrigerator empty?  Quick, somebody,
>stock the man's cupboards!
>
this is disgusting, how can you make fun of someone like this!
i'm sure when he finishes the 'hooked on phonics' course, things
will move faster...not too sure about the memory lapses though....
--
don@helix.nih.gov
301-402-0580   Bldg10/Rm8D14    NIDDK/NIH       Bethesda, MD  20892
From: warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Forever War and Starship Troopers
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:20:04 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu's message of 11 Jan 93 19:36:47 GMT

Jim Kasprzak wrote:
>  How did this subject cross over to here from rec.arts.sf.written?
>  
>  And how soon can we send it back there? 

At least it has something to do with books, which is more than can be
said for the interminable "Homophobia" thread.

On the subject of books, my recent holiday in Japan gave me the
occasion to read a few on that fascinating country.  Perhaps
the most interesting one was A HALF STEP BEHIND by Jane Condon,
where Condon relates anecdotes told to her by Japanese women
of all ages and social classes.  I find that these stories give
far more insight into modern Japan than works like Nitobe's
BUSHIDO with its mystic martial ponderings or the endless stream
of "how to do business in Japan" manuals that grace the racks
of airport bookstores.
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Text of CO2 and OR9 (was Re: Legal theory, Homophobia, and the Bible)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:22:02 GMT

                                      Wednesday, the 6th of January, 1993

Evelyn C. Leeper has posted the texts of CO2 and OR9. I thank you muchly
for that, Evelyn.

I think that my immediate judgment would be to vote *for* CO2 and
*against* OR9.

Evelyn focusses on ``claim of discrimination'' in CO2 as a violation
violation of the right to equal protection. But I see
absolutely no problem with this at all (though I am willing to
be disabused). Are we talking about jobs here, or people being
beat up? My guess is jobs, and the question becomes: Are there
*any* special bases for claiming discrimination? In other words,
would the enactment of this amendment mean that in legal cases
people could claim discrimination based on anything *except*
sexual orientation? Is there such a thing as claiming discrimination
because of obesity? Because of coiffure? Because one wears glasses?
To me, *that* would be equal protection for claims of discrimination.
Or is the exclusion of basing claims of discrimination on sexual
orientation only an exclusion from a small list of minority groups?
With regard to people being beat up, I think that there's nothing
in this measure to say that beating a gay person up is any less
punishable than beating anyone up. The only thing the measure
guards against is the possibility of there being a stiffer penalty
*because* of the gayness of the victim. This seems to me to be as it
should be. My problem is that I can only think that human beings have
a right to equal protection under the law _qua_ their humanity, and not
_qua_ their inclusion or exclusion in any minority group.

I would vote against OR9 because I strongly disagree that anyone
should ``assist in setting a standard...that recognizes homosexuality...
as abnormal, wrong, unnatural, and perverse...''. Setting such
a standard would be morally wrong, I think. But, that was another
discussion thread...

                       Mike Morris
              (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Raw Toonage: Funny Animal
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:36:42 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:

>One big difference between the comics and the cartoon is the addition of
>Maurice, his sidekick gorilla and his arch-nemesis Norman the human, and the
>obvious absence of the humans (from the comics) named Spirou & Fantasio.
>Having never actually seen the Marsupilami comics I am not quite clear what
>role Spirou & Fantasio play in the life of Mars.

Spirou and Fantasio are the central characters, really.  The name of the
series is "Spirou et Fantasio".  Marsupilami is sort of a pet (although
companion would be a much better word...)
-- 
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"Looks like one of them gay Arab | Montreal, Que. | emru@cam.org
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: BTAS:  So when do we get to see Batgirl?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:01:33 GMT

In article <C0Ks36.7p9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincen
t Vaugn) writes:
>The burning question I have is are we ever going to see any new episodes?

Sunday night.  Accd to TV Guide's description, it's a new Joker episode (Joker 
wants a patent on a chemical that makes fish get rictus grins, and holds 
something/one hostage until he gets it).
     Dave Van Domelen, gonna see Chaplan today
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: Raw Toonage: Funny Animal
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:23:10 GMT


Marsupilami.
From: thomas@ozcrwl (Hugh Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: cartoon character gifs
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:23:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mike@win3 (Michael Paull) writes:
: Does anyone know of a site with a decent collection of Warner Bros cartoon
: character gifs??? I'm really after a FogHorn Leghorn gif, but i wouldnt
: mind a good site with the rest of the characters too.
: 
: Mike
: 

I don't have any gifs of Foghorn Leghorn, but I have a collection of
other WB characters. These aren't scanned images, they're hand draw
(in some detail) and mainly based on scenes from actual WB cartoons.

Unfortunately I don't have FTP access so I've been posting them sporadically
in alt.binaries.pictures.misc. If there's enough interest I post them again 
in that group, or if only a few are interested I'll mail selected ones.

Here's a list of the gif's I currently have:

Scenes from "Duck Dodgers in the 24th and a Half Century!"
 o Daffy and Marvin on Planet X. Marvin is threatening Daffy with his
   disintegrating pistol. 
 o Daffy explaining the route to Planet X
 o Daffy and his "Eager Young Space Cadet" in full Duck Dodgers uniform
   (green suite, red cape, and antenna beanie)
 o Marvin Receiving an ultimatum from a Duck Dodgers messenger buttet
 o Marvin alone on the surface of planet X

Scenes from miscellaneous other toons
 o Bugg and Daffy "on stage" with top hats and canes
 o Buggs leaning through Looney Tunes "Bulls Eye" rings
 o Buggs and Daffy in forest. Behind them is a poster of Elmer on a 
   tree with the caption "Emler Season"
 o Daffy and Elmer in the forest. Daffy's bill is blown sideways and he's
   singed around the edges.
 o Robin Hood Daffy confronting Friar "Porky Pig" Tuck on the river crossing

Characters against a blank background
 o Daffy - head only
 o Sylvester's Nephew - full length
 o Tasmanian Devil - full length
 o Tasmanian Devil - head and shoulders
 o Yosemite Sam front on with guns drawn

These are all 16 colour images so they're quite small. The largest is
~40Kb uncompressed. Most are around 20K or less.

Hugh.

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| Networks and Communications   | The views expressed are my own, etc...      |
| Digital Equipment Corporation | "The rabbit's nothing, the duck carries     |
| Gold Coast, Australia         |  the show!"                                 |
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: BTAS:  New episode on Sunday?!
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:50:00 GMT

(E. Kontei) writes:

*> Sunday night.  Accd to TV Guide's description, it's a new Joker episode
*> (Joker wants a patent on a chemical that makes fish get rictus grins,
*> and holds something/one hostage until he gets it).

*"The Laughing Fish"!  A really odd Joker story from the comic.

  Did anyone else find this episode surprisingly dark? A bit off
  the track of the previous Joker episodes, but very well done.
  It felt very much like a comic book.

  --
  Michael                      
  stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Raw Toonage: Funny Animal
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:57:57 GMT

What's the name of that weird animal in Raw Toonage with the massively
long tail?  I just caught a picture of it in an old 1970's book from
Europe, but no name given.
-- 
It is better to have loved and lost than just to have lost.
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