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From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Preparing for Breastfeeding
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:28:54 GMT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <18181@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
> Lastly, I second Lynn Cooper's opinion that breastfeeding is a two handed
> operation!  I could never get anything else done at the same time.
> 
> Diane Segelhorst
 dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
> Mom to Brad, 20.5 months, and ???, -7 weeks


Something I discovered about nursing my second child is that I don't WANT to
be doing anything else while I'm feeding her!  Diane, you will be in the same
situation and for others expecting their second, I found that I really needed
and anticipated nursing time as an opportunity to snuggle, bond and cherish my
new little person ("look, perfect toes, perfect ears, perfect...").  Having
another active, demanding *jealous* child around meant that I had to grab
moments where I could with the baby in those first few weeks/months.  And
nursing became a very good chance to do that.  We also were very firm with
my older son that nursing time was sacred--he could not expect me to stop
feeding the baby whenever he wanted something (emergencies are something
else).  Of course it helps to get out the juice, crackers/cookies, etc.
and crank up something on tv (hey, don't flame--it's amazing what a blessing
a taped hour of Sesame St. can be!).

Good luck,
Ann Helmers
From: X045KF@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Kimberly Faircloth)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Working full-time out of choice
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:24:42 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University


 
>>First of all, let me say this.  I work full time.  In fact, I came
>>back to work four weeks after my baby was born, though my paid
>>maternity leave would give me 6 weeks off.  I love my work, and I am
>>dammed good at what I am doing.  I thrive on it.  It makes me feel
>>good.  I like the fact that it allows my brain to be challenged on
>>a continuous basis.
>>   my career is slightly more important
>>   than the other two.
>>a. A happy, fulfilled person makes a better role model and
>>   a terrific parent.
>>b. A child needs to learn that the whole world does not
>>   revolve around them.  His/her needs are very important, but
>>   they do not COMPLETELY take precedence over other people's.
 
I think you need to take some Child Psychology courses, b/c obviously,
you don't understand at all the developmental stages your son is
going through.
 
>> We will help, but we will
>>   not put our lives on hold for him.  He will have to learn
>>   to negotiate and assert himself.
 
I feel lucky that YOU weren't my parents.  Teaching him independence
is great.  That's one idea my mother strongly instilled to me and
she was there for me (ie. didn't go to work) until I was 12.  But
you are making him grow up too fast for one thing.
 
>>   The way I see it, Daniel is lucky to have us as parents.
>>   Having two people who are very much in love with each other
 
I agree that it is important that a child grow up with parents who
love each other, but you make it sound like you are doing him a favor.
He didn't asked to be conceived or born.  You are the lucky one to have
someone looking up to you and love you despite what the rest of the
world may think of you.  Their love is unconditional as opposed to many
others.
 
>>I think Daniel gets much, much, and much more out of us since
>>we work full time.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if he grows up resenting the fact that there
was something more important in your lives than him, as well as envying
other children for their parents.  I'm not saying you are bad parents.
I just think you need to take a step back and look at your priorities and
why they are the way they are and decide if that's *really* going to matt
er in the end.  Daniel isn't going to remember all of the materialism
as a positive thing in his life.  In fact, you may just turn him off
from getting involved with peers with such priorities.  You definitely
sound like a product of the '80s, the MEism Era.
 
Kimberly Faircloth                |x045kf@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Users Consultant                  |kdf8236@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Texas A&M University              |kdf8236@zeus.tamu.edu
(409) 845-8956
"But Soft!  What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick!
           and Juliet is out cold..."
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From: mimi@apollo.hp.com (Mimi Wellington)
Subject: ...and Something to Make You Cry
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:47:18 GMT

I just posted a funny poem; here's one that made me cry.
Maybe it'll leave you cold, but it put a lump in *my*
throat.
                                --Mimi Wellington


PICTURES OF GRAMPA

Last Christmastime my Grampa Don died.
Grandma was saddest and even Dad cried.  
Then the next week we visited Grandma and found
She'd put pictures of Grampa all around.
She'd put one in the kitchen, and one in the hall,
On the big special desk, and the living-room wall.
Almost wherever I looked I could see
Pictures of Grampa looking at me.

Grandma explained why she'd put them there--
When she missed Grampa most, she'd just sit in a chair
And look at the pictures, all on her own.
They made her feel not so much alone.
She could talk to them sometimes, when she passed one she she might
Say, "Hello, Grampa Don" or "Dear Don, good night."
I know what she meant, I still talk to my bear
When it's late at night and there's no one there.

It's summer now and time has gone by.
We saw Grandma last week for the Fourth of July
And I looked for the pictures of Grampa Don
But they weren't there, they were all of them gone
Except for the one next to Grandma's bed
Where Grampa Don's smiling, with a tilt to his head.
I asked Grandma what she'd done with the rest.
She'd put them away, she thought that was best.

She told me she'd always miss Grampa Don
But he wasn't here and she had to go on.
Then she got out some cards and we played a game
And it seemed like things were just the same--
We both of us laughed and we both had fun,
We played Crazy Eights and Grandma won.
And then as she hugged me, I don't know why,
Grandma was happy, but she started to cry.

reprinted without permission from _The Other Side of the Door_
Poems by Jeff Moss, one of the original creators of Sesame Street,
and former head writer and composer-lyricist.  Creator of Oscar
the Grouch and Cookie Monster; writer of "Rubber Duckie" and 
"I Don't Want to Live on the Moon."
From: tim@tcom.stc.co.uk (Tim Kennedy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Six YO "Meany"
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:35:41 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe

In article <13APR199213242644@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr10.210836.29766@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman) writes:
>>>I have a six year old son (seven in two weeks) and he is soooooo mean!!
>>>He chokes his two brothers and his "friends" for no good reason - We
>>>use time-outs as punishment and do not understand this - perhaps another
>>>kid had choked him before?????   At any rate - I would be interested in
>>>finding out if anyone else has encountered this problem - he also hits,
>>>kicks, bites, you name it!!!!

Perhaps he reacts to things in his diet like orange squash or coke
or sweets ?  I have heard about kids going out of control being traced
to their diet and when certain foods are cut out it sorts out the problem.
Anyway I wish you every bit of luck.

			Tim
--
In 1988 BBC Radio One listeners voted for  | T. Kennedy <tim@tcom.stc.co.uk>
the alltime greatest single.  Way ahead of | Dept 30730 NME, BNR Europe,
Strawberry Fields and Stairway To Heaven,  | Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB.
at no. 1 was I Owe You Nothing by Bros.    | LUFC, Yorkshire's No. 1.
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From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Rain songs
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:02:27 GMT

In article <56960@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>> Judy Leedom Tyrer writes:
>> >In response to Kate Gregory's request for rain songs:
>> >
>> >Peter Paul and Mary have a wonderful one (don't remember which album).  
>>  
>>     It's on the original album.
>>
>> We've been listening to it quite a lot lately and it goes like this:
>...
>>   It's raining, it's pouring the old man is snoring
>>   Bumped his head and he went to bed and he couldn't get up 
>>   in the morning
>...
>
>Although this is a wonderful song, the original poster asked for happy
>songs about rain, and it is not clear to me that old men suffering
>severe trauma to the head and children burning meet the usual defintion
>of "happy"!
>
>What's next?  "Rider on the Storm" by the Doors?  :-)
>
>							Tim Smith

I recently heard a "sanitized" version of this which goes:

It's raining, it's pouring,
The old man is snoring
He bumped his head,
So he went to bed,
And he didn't get up until morning.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
                Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.

 
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From: action@cbnewse.cb.att.com (timothy.d.acton)
Subject: Re: When did you know? (was: Woman's figure")
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:55:45 GMT
Summary: We didn't - Her Mom Knew


We had been trying to conceive for about 6 months
and right before Christmas, my wife was late with
her period. So, she does the EPT thing and it
comes back negative. She soon starts her period
and we headed to the folks house for the holidays.

The first night in the house, her mother looks at
her backside and pulls her aside and tells her
she should get examined, that she is definately
pregnant. Now, I didn't notice anything unusual
about her backside (familiarity breed indifference?) {:-)
so after the holidays, the doctor confirmed Mom's
intuition. Now three years later, grandma is
anxious for number two.

Tales From the Backside,
Tim & Melody Acton
.
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: kids watching violence
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:05:00 GMT
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I read an article in the paper recently that disturbed me. It was
about kids and violence on TV and in movies. I know this subject
has been discussed before, but there were some (I thought) interesting
points in this article. It started with a story about an 8 year
old whose parents had rented 'Child's Play II'. The nightmares
she had afterwards were just attributed to normal fears, but the
parents became concerned when they found her 'test fitting' her 
fingers around her younger sibling's neck. Personally, I would not let
an 8 year old watch an R rated movie, but am I the only old
fashioned prude left? Anyway, part of the point of the article is that
not all children react the same way to violent programs, and some
children are at special risk when watching these programs. 
Specifically cited were children who live with violence every day
(like in our inner cities), but they also said that before 10
children have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality. I know
we were raised with road runner cartoons and yosemite sam getting
shot in the face, etc., but I think there is a difference between
cartoons and live people being blown to smitherines. I am personally
alarmed by the reports of guns being brought to school. Are we
going to reach a point where the only safe place is our homes?
Anyway, I just wanted to share this information with you and see
what you think.
                            Sincerely,
                            Patti Twigg
                            STPAT@lepvax.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Melissa Tennant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Morning Dressing Battles
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:21:49 GMT

In article <17502@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>What can I do?  I feel horribly guilty having him cry so hard and get
>so upset every morning.  I would suspect that he doesn't like going
>to the sitter's house, except that he has so much fun over there.  When
>I go to pick him up, he sometimes doesn't want to leave, and is always
>happy.

Two suggestions that have worked for me:
1) try picking out the clothes together the night before.
2) don't leave his room in the morning until he is dressed.
(breakfast & play after as "reward").  Take attention off
dressing: eg let him look at a book while you dress him..

--Melissa
From: johnnyb@ims.com (Johnny Battle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: You know you're a parent when...
Keywords: ...when "love" means never having to say, "I'm sorry, but
     it's YOUR turn to change the diaper."
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:28:07 GMT
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc.


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Johnny Battle             Hysterical explosions of golden forsythia
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From: ee448rsw@iitmax.iit.edu (Robert S Wojtowicz)
Subject: Re: More on Girls in Math and Science
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 17:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.173614.21101@iitmax.iit.edu> ee448rsw@iitmax.iit.edu (Robert S Wojtowicz) writes:
>In article <2520015@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM> jbm@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM (Jane Marcus) writes:
>>I had the opportunity to visit a school in my area for National Read Aloud
>>Day.  In introducing myself to the 2nd grade class I was assigned to, I
>>made a point to tell the kids that I worked in computer science.  After 
>>making this statement, many of the boys in the class were jumping out of 
>>their seats, waving their hands so that they could tell me how they have
>>computers at home, or how they love to use computers, or how they wish they
>>had a computer etc.  The girls were remarkably silent, not one of them 
>>offering some statement of interest to me or the group.  At one point, I 
>>thought one of the girls was raising her hand and I asked her what she wanted 
>>to tell us, but then she said she was just stretching and didn't have anything 
>>to say, and I couldn't tell if she was feeling shy or really didn't have 
>>something to contribute.  Needless to say, I was disappointed.  So does this 


Sorry, mailer problems here again. 
As I was trying to say, a year and a half ago I was involved with youngsters
as part of Tau Beta Pi Engineering Honor Society program for youngsters.
I also noticed the same thing. What I believe is that society has been
conditioning them that it is non feminine (whatever that means?). Also, some
of them might not want to be known as "nerds" or seen as too smart, as peer
pressure is high in grade school. No girls even asked me anything about
engineering, or computers, yet the boys were all excited. I guess it is up
to todays parents and teachers to dispell this myth, as the women on this 
net are evidence that gender does not matter in technical fields.
In modern times, we should worry about how to make more people educated, maybe
even a national program like certain countries in Europe have that pays for a few years of after high school education.
The way the world economy is going right now, you need a college degree before
anyone will hire you at a wage that is above the poverty level. And we should
worry about the United States, not preaching to kids about masculine and
feminine career paths. As a person with a college degree who grew up poor
(but now does ok) I have been donating money back to my college and trying
to find other ways to help educate others. But money only goes so far, and 
teachers, parents, and the government should do something about this
educational fiasco.

>
Just my two cents,
>
Rob
>
>
>>janem@hpfclg.fc.hp.com
From: nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Growth rates
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:45:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


In article <2728@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@pendragon.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>
>How fast do kids grow?  I know every kid is different, but I
...

>spurts?  I read somewhere that growth only takes place when
>they're asleep--is this true?
>
Actually growth only takes place after you buy them new shoes or after
Grandma sends them several new outfits that fit perfectly.  Growth
stops whenever a kid takes a liking to some hand-me-down outfit that
you absolutely hate!
-nvv 

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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Keywords: gate
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 19:07:13 GMT

Well, I can tell you I hate ours.  We got one that you don't permanently 
attach, but it uses a foot clamp that pushes two rubber pads up against the
edges of the doorway.  Well, it falls out with the slightest provocation.
I think it was made by Gerry.  Grey with a blue foot pedal.  It DOES have
hinges you can use to permanently attach it, but we wanted to be able to
move it from room to room.




-- 
I finally decided what I want on my tombstone...

	"Here lies Judy Leedom Tyrer.  The world will never see another like 
	 her.  We are undecided on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing."
From: Pamela Kay <szafrans@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Mysterious headaches
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:39:10 -0500

> Our 6 year old son "suffers" from constant headaches. They are located
> on each side of his head, directly above the ears. He never mentions them
> or complains about them unless you ask him. The "headaches" have


One possibility is a TMJ problem.  He is in process of getting new
molars and that may bring on extra tension to this very sensitive
joint.  The nerve that runs through the joint is easily irritated,
and that can cause headaches as you describe.  It can also cause
some neck discomfort.

Pam

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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Subject: Re: holding a kid back in school
Organization: Sylvan Associates
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:47:07

In article <4310120@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon) writes:

   > And how is your 5 year old going to know they were 'held back'? Why
   > tell them? And I mean that seriously. If you decide they aren't ready
   > to start school yet, why would you tell them and potentially make a
   > big deal of it? Or even tell them when they are older -- the only time
   > to tell them is when they have kids of their own and are concerned
   > about making that choice!

   You are underestimating a 5 year old. You don't have to tell them. They
   know before you do where their preschool playmates are going for 
   kindergarten. I think these days even children shielded at
   home attend part time preschools or play groups. They talk about it
   with friends their own age. They have this fantasy about a wonderful 
   place called kindergarten that they all want to go. Being left behind 
   will be a big blow to their self esteem. They demand an explanation
   NOW if they know that you are not letting them go. 

Hmm. I can see how that would happen. I'm planning on homeschooling,
and I don't know if Kathy will ever be in an organized preschool,
although I've considered it. We've also considered private schools...
I'm finding myself reacting strangely to finding out going to
kindergarten becomes a major focus of the last year of preschool. Are
all preschools so divided?  Are 3 and 4 year olds kept totally
separate? So, do you start your kid 'late' in preschool if you want
them to start kindergarten late, to minimize the trama?? I think I'm
getting a bad feeling thinking that socialization would push for the
child to be put into kindergarten, not their development.

And for the mom whose daughter did so well in the private school
kindergarten.... Unless you had an amazing public school district, you
might not have seen the same result if she'd made it to public school.
And, if you'd waited a year, it is not clear that her learning ability
would have been damaged at all - you might have seen the exact same
thing, just a year later. I'm glad it did work out so well for her, I
am just loathe to assign cause/effect/not doing this now would have
been a bad decision.... What kind of private school is she in, do they
follow any particular well-known style?

-- 
Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 2.6 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory <born 2/28/92>)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
children become humane and strong."

             - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: cme@druco.ATT.COM (ErtzCMK)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Other Goofy Songs (was Re: Worm song?)
Summary: Unicorn Song
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:36:11 GMT


Here's another request:  Does anyone know the words for 
"The Unicorn Song"?  My daughter's preschool teacher would
like them because several of the kids are interested in 
unicorns.  He already has the chorus, but doesn't know
the words to the verses.  

Now we can all show our age.... "The Unicorn Song" was a
hit for a group called "The Irish Rovers" a long time ago.
We think it was probably late sixties or early seventies.
You are welcome to correct me if you know the exact date and
it's different!

Thanks in advance -

Katie Ertz
AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver, CO
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:50:32 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <4804@umriscc.isc.umr.edu> davem@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu (Dave Mentis) writes:
>
>My wife holds the same values, same ethics I do, and is not going to
>disappear. I can't speak for anybody else's criteria for marriage, but
>we don't hold the same values because we've been married for 12 years.
>We've been married for 12 years because we (always) held the same values!
>
>We CHOSE each other, to spend an entire lifetime together. Tell me why
>it's catagorically impossible for me to choose a baby sitter with the
>same care.

Well, if you're going to spend as long getting to know a babysitter as you
did getting to know your wife, and if your baby sitter is willing to sign a
contract saying she won't quit in 6 mos. because she met this great guy or
found this terrific new job or is being deported, no reason at all.

But, most people spend about one hour interviewing baby sitters, if that.  And
there is no commitment from the baby sitter saying she will remain an anchor in
your child's life.  Children do not handle separation easily.  They do not
just change attachments because the baby sitter has left.  A great many studies
have been done on children who are moved from one foster home to another and
the most significant problem is their eventual inability to form strong 
attachments.  Now, the fact that this is a part time and not a full time 
situation may help, but ask anyone whose child lost a baby sitter after having
formed a strong attachment, and they will tell you how much that child mourned.

(And I can hear the argument that "well, parent's die."  And sadly, yes they
do.  But that is a situation we cannot control.  Why add risk unnecessarily?)


>
>  -- davem@cs.umr.edu  (Dave Mentis)
>


-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
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