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From: k125366@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Korppi Toni)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Yamaha TDM 850, comments wanted.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:21:23 +0200
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
Distribution: world
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Keywords: TDM850

In <1993Jan5.110156.19787@eua.ericsson.se> trsajo@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Johansson) writes:

I've got one of these red, bug-eyded frogs waiting in the carage downstairs so
perhaps I can help ya.
 
>	-Can it handle both paved and unpaved roads? preferences?

	Yep. Prefares curvy asphalt roads.

>	-Vibrations? At what speeds?

	Some, at all speeds. Nothing to worry about. Much less than R100's 
	shaking.

>	-At which speeds does it cruise happily? (I hope up to 80 mph)

	At every speed. I tend to do everything between 80 and 160 km/h. 
	Top speed is +200 km/h.

>	-How long can you cruise at 60 to 80 mph before getting tired of windbl		ast and vibrations? (I'm 5'10" , 176cm, tall).

	All day long. My record/day on TDM is around 1000 kilometers. No fuss.

>	-What mileage can I expect?

	Fuel consumption is about 6-6.5 l/100km.

>	-Is the engine torquey or peaky? (Displacement and bhp is similar to R1		00RS, which leas me to suspect similar, ie nice characteristics).

	Defenitely torquey.

>	-Does it break down often? How?

	I've had no problems at all.

>	-How easy is the maintenace to do for your self? Do I need lots of 
	Yamaha special tools and very small fingers to get at things hidden
	behind layers of other things, ie bike always seems to be built around
	the faulty part? ;-)

	No particular problems. Valve maintenance interval is reported to be
	ca.42000 km. I woldn't take it for granted, though. All I've done is
	change of oil and tires.

>	-Does it hold its value, or should I look for a cheap almost new bike?

	Dunno. TDM propably isn't the easiest bike to sell. There's very few
	of them here in Finland.

>	I just have to find one of these for a test ride, as soon as the winter 	is over!

	Why wait? Snowtime is playtime!

>Anders Johansson

-Toni
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Prices of bikes in Europe?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:01:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.161559.1125@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>Could be, but the dealers are making a money on them; as of 1991, the dealer
>price in California for the vanilla K75 was $5,495. I got mine from Marin

A single brand smallish BMW dealer sells between 30 and 50 bike's a year. If
they're selling most bikes with a $2000 markup, then they're grossing
between $60K and $100K per year on sales. After floor space, overhead
and salaries they're probably realizing about half that. Not what I'd call
a "get rich quick" scheme. Most of the one's I know aren't in it for the $$$
but for the experience. Japanese bikes on the other hand have lower margins 
but make up for it in volume. I expect Harley and Ducati (those 
wonderful sport bikes I hear are winning the Iron Butt these days) dealers
to be in the same position as BMW with Harley doing more volume and Ducati 
doing less.

CA BMW probably does much better with all the paraphanalia and of course 
the higher volume being in the mecca of high tech. 

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From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: CARPAL TUNNEL ADVICE
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:59:34 GMT

> Now this therapy I can handle -- B-6 in ridiculous enough quantities brings
> on some righteous dreams! Of course, in doubly ridiculous quantities (like
> most things) it is toxic. Wouldn't be prudent.
> 
Sorry, Curtis, but 100 mg is far below the effective dosage for enhancing dream
recall.  From what I've read, you're talking 1,000 mg; for Carpal Tunnel, we're
only talking 100 mg.

Michael Menard, Ph.D., F.A.C.N.
'92 FXDC; '92 FXSTS
From: gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com (Janet Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bra auction for charity (was: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Summary: kilt
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:53:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <1719@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
> charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
> : >>
> : >What the heck I'll donate my drawers and just to raise the stakes I'll
> : >fill em.
> 
> 	I'll see your drawers ( NO, not Literally! ) and Raise you by a
> 	Kilt!!!!! (properly worn of-course...)

What tartan?

Janet gunnj@nmi.com
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Bra auction: going, going....
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:43:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.214829.19356@grebyn.com> rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
}<Performing DoD single digit salute to the rest of you bidders>
}
}$65.

$71 says Curtis becomes the KotB.

And I know Rich won't outbid me again, or I won't let him use my Maxim
when he's out here next week.  ;-)
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
From: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Insurance Scum
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:20:33 GMT
Reply-To: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Organization: NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv (ex-"Taylor Model Basin")

In rec.motorcycles, twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang) writes:
>
>        Makes for a difference. Some major things to remember. If you
>can establish that the accident was a result of their driver's
>neligence, you can walk away with much more than the bill to tow and
>fix the bike. You can also sue them for pain and suffering. Among them
>the lost of riding time. This route is best done with a legal
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	 Why don't you just sue God when it rains?

>representative, and will take time. It will cost you nothing, as the
>lawyer collects ONLY if he wins. On the other hand, if you settle for

Do you do ambulance chasing lawyer commercials?

>any amount now, you could lose all claims to injuries that may be
>related down the road. Insurance companies love to pay off the small
>claims like yours, and not have to deal with a hugh payoff like mine.
>My first case netted me $8K after covering all bills and a monthly
>"allowance" of $150 for 14 monthes. My second case is still in
>process, going on 31 monthes now, but the lowest payoff goal my lawyer
>has set for the case is $125K of which I can easily net $25K+ after he

It's a relief to know you're being fairly compensated for all of your
pain and suffering.  Is this for "lost income" or for "missed riding
time"?

>is charging so much, but you're entitled if you can establish fault. I
>say milk it for all you can, and get a new bike later.

I say get paid for the physical damages done: bike, gear, doctor bills,
and lost income if you were in the hospital.
Any more and you're screwing the general public.
--____________________________________________________
]      Stu Mennitt      smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil    [
]  NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv     Bethesda, Maryland [
]         was: David Taylor Research Center           [
]     was: David Taylor Naval Ship R&D Center         [
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From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Lance Holst is a Jerk
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:15:56 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

>You people can be as sanctimonious as you like, you can come
>down on anyone who doesn't ride "responsibly", you can condemn
>me because I make you look bad.
>But you will grow small in my mirrors, oh safe ones, and
>it will make my heart sing to make you feel slow.

Ah,  youth!  (Whether mental or chronological)

"If youth only _knew_; if age only _could_."
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG             |"The good news is that Clinton will have to
 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Engine Theory 101
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:05:28 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article JBH@world.std.com, CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras) writes:
>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>  Once the engine is
>>driving the wheel (clutch fully disengaged), the clutch is not
>>necessary for shifting gears, and you only need it again if you want to
>>stop the wheel and not the engine.
>
>OK, I'll bite.  Do you REALLY shift from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 etc. WITHOUT
>using the clutch?  Is this thought to be good for the transmission and
>good driving practice?

I said not *necessary*.  It's there if you want to use it.

And yes, I REALLY shift up and down WITHOUT using the clutch (mostly
up, but that's just me).  It's all in the throttle.  Weight the shift
lever slightly, and blip the throttle (down for up-shifting, up for
down-shifting) to match engine speed, and she'll snick right into gear,
slick as snail snot on teflon.  Done properly, it is harmless to the
transmission.  "Good driving practice" is rather vague (particularly on
a motorcycle!).  I don't think it has any safety implications...

You guys never ridden in a semi?

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
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From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: ? about RD series of motorcycles
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:20:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.155935.53990@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, f005@ns1 writes:
>A friend was recently telling me about a motorcycle that I believe Yamaha put
>out, the RD 125, 200, 250, 350, 400.  It might have been Honda but I'm pretty
>sure that it was Yamaha.  Any information that I could get would be helpful.
>Thanks in advance.

Yamaha RD400:
400 cc two-stroke twin.
Easily modifiable to 50+ hp at the wheel, 39 stock.
342 lb dry in stock form.
Considered one of the best handling bikes of the '70s and still good
today.

In other words a real pocket rocket even by todays standards.  My
pumped 77 RD400 will smoke my 88 FZR400 in a midrange roll-on and will
worry most any bike short of a bells and whistles 600 sportbike.

A smokey, noisy, raspy, ring-dingy right fist full of FUN!!

--
- )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic  DoD #400
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From: bade@athena2.austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: R65 ignition followup
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:47:39 GMT
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin


>My bike still doesn't run quite right now, but it does run.  I 
>installed the leads this morning.  During test riding, I noticed 
>that the bike runs roughly (a la single cylinder) when I back off
>on the throttle to the idle position.  When I did this at several
>stoplights on El Camino, the bike would often die suddenly.  Restarting
>was fairly easy, if nerve-rattling.  The bike also sounds somewhat
>different during normal driving, but I can't quite put my finger
>on what specifically is different.

All I can tell you is that on my wife's R65 if you disconnect one of
the plug wires it will die.  I've also seen this on 2 other boxers, an R80
and an R75.  Fortunately my wife's is set according to the factory spect (the
guy I bought it off of had it in the shop for a service/tune up 2 days before
I bought it).   Sounds like your carbs may be out of sync, or the boots
between the heads and the carbs tend to dry rot and crack causing funny vacume
leak type problems.  Check your airflow as well, I've had similar problems with
my old GS550 which was caused by a clogged airfilter (mouse nest in the air box
tends to really clogg the thing up.).


Regards,
        Steve
	   A good programmer, as a function of what he does,
	   manages himself.  A good programmer manager takes
        care of the paperwork and stays out of the way
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:30:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.moseley.151.726165026
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance
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In article <1992Dec31.014706.7534@serval.net.wsu.edu> 
bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:

>Now I've never actually said that the PD is a "beautiful" bike.  Without
>considering paint lets's just say that it is a bike of character.  I have

BMWs, Ducati, Harleys - these are bikes with character for sure. They don't 
work as well as the other (Japanese) bikes, but they've got character the 
others lack. But why is character so expensive? Why does character cost more 
than function?
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From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Personal strobes
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:41:54 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu's message of 6 Jan 93 03:15:07 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Jan 93 03:15:07 GMT, johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) said:
Bill> ...a small strobe for personal use.  The thing...
Bill> "super-luminescent LED's that blink 6 times a second."
Bill> I wonder if they are legal for use on a motorcycle, or on a motorcycle 
Bill> rider?

Laws and regulations controlling the use of accessories on your motor
vehicle are controlled by the state.  The manufacturers of equipment
are subject to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.  Most states
prohibit the use of flashing or ascillating lights on vehicles with
the explicit exceptions of turn signals and four-way flashers.  The
intent of these prohibitions is to avoid confusion with emergency
vehicles (I don't claim that is a good reason, just the reason).
Priority plus brake light flashers and/or motorcycle modulating
headlights are permitted in some states, illegal in others.  Depending
on how your state law reads - only some of the available colors may be
permitted.

These laws generally refer to motor vehicle equipment.  Some
prohibitions go so far as to specify "on vehicle or person", most
don't.  You would be on shaky legal ground trying to defend carrying
an overpowerful spotlight in your pocket, but you could probably get
away with it in most states.

One caution you might want to consider, specific rate ranges and
colors of flashing lights have been shown to induce epileptic seizure
in susceptible patients.  I don't know what frequencies cause these
problems.  FMVSS standards specify "flash" rates of 240 +/- 40 cycles
per minute for modulating motorcycle headlights with this in mind.
The strobes you talk about fire at 360 cycles/minute which is outside
of the range specified for related devices.



--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: chain prematurely worn out?
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:14:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

Hi everyone. I have an endless O-ring chain on the GS500. It has gone 9000mi
without needing adjustment, but eventually it will need replacing. I'm damned
if I'm going to pay someone huge amounts of money to take the whole back end
to bits just to replace an endless chain! So I plan to get another O-ringer
but to fit a masterlink. OK, so the masterlink will wear out MUCH faster than
the chain, but if it is replaced every major service (6000mi).........

Anyone got any views (I'll rephrase that - useful views) on how stupid this is?
From: Michael.Nelson@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ducati prices outside New Zealand
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 12:53:04 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/20 - SeaHunt BBS, San Francisco CA

Wednesday January 06 1993 11:06, Wheres my 650TT2 Ducati wrote to All:

WD-> Polen/Roche replicas for $55,000US.

    I read somewhere that Eraldo Ferracci will build you a REAL Polen replica for $80 grand, and he has a special volume discount price of $155,000 for TWO.

    Anyone want to go in with me on a pair?  We can split the discount...

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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: DoD Watch Report and Call for Orders I
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:48:52 GMT

My apologies, fellow Denizens/Denizettes, for my two transgressions:

1) I have followed up to my own article, and

2) I failed to include my address in the previous article.  It is:


                    Cliff Weston
                    Box 440, Jordan Hall, UVA
                    Charlottesville VA 22908

God bless us all, everyone.  (I'm so sick of Christmas shows, I could hurl.)
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From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Real life facts about insurance companies
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:55:48 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gvgspd.gvg.tek.com

In article <C0J0A1.L9B@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu writes:

>News flash: Insurance companies exist to take your money.

>              They will screw you over: that is their sole purpose in life.

Statements such as these, and threads whose subject lines include phrases
such as "insurance scum", annoy me.  I think its time for all of us to
realize that, like every other business in a capitalistic society, the
mission of the insurance company is to maiximize its profit while providing
goods or services to its customers.

The reason it feels different when dealing with insurance companies is, in
my opinion, that you have to partake of their service at a time that is
emotionally stressful.  When you bought your bike, you were part of the
manufacturer's scheme to maximize its profits, but, because it is a joyous
time, you don't resent it.  About that same time, you probably bought
insurance for that bike (either because you are intelligent enough to
realize that you need it, or because your locale's laws require it), but
that doesn't feel as good as buying the bike, because it seems like you are
spending still more money, at a time when you may not feel you have much to
spare, for apparantly nothing in return.  Later, when your bike is damaged,
or you've damaged someone else's person or property, and you need to file a
claim, you feel especially bad about the situation, and resent having to be
at the receiving end of their attempt to maximize profits.

They are not out to hurt you, cheat you, nor rip you off.  They are carefully
doing business in a way that protects their own interest and to satisfy their
investors.  If you were one of those investors, you would want it no other
way.  As one of their customers, is it so difficult to understand?

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From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: AL weather
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:25:10 GMT

In article <C0F3yy.72t@panix.com> bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.153433.25798@b30.ingr.com> mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
>>
>>To all you Yankee and European DoDers:
>	    ^^^^^^
>>
>>I rode to work today!!
>>ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
>
>BFD. So did I. It was 64 degrees in NYC. Lovely. Of course,
>I ride every day, barring ice and snow. So I gather from the
>fact that you make such a _point_ of your manly
>accomplishment that you generally don't ride to work.

Well I just started riding a few months ago and I'm still giddy.

>Crash much?

Er, yes.  Once in 5600 miles.

> Afraid of 4WD pickup trucks with oversized tires
>filled with gun-toting rednecks drinking Billy Beer and
>whistling the theme from "Deliverance"? 

I was afraid of those in my car.  Never stopped me though.

> Or do you just get lost?

Fun to get lost on a moto.


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