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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disneyana - Thank You
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:23:14 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

Several of you have sent private messages to us thanking us for
posting all the WDW and Disneyana stuff in the past couple of weeks.
My wife Carol and I first started reading rec.arts.disney in July and
have learned so much from all of you and have enjoyed the many
conversations taking place on this conference.  We figure these posts
are paying all of you back for everything you've done and shared with
us.  Thank *YOU*!
 
If anybody else reading Internet's rec.arts.disney or Fidonet's Disney
Echo attended the 1st Disneyana Convention in Orlando, we'd love to
read your remembrances and comments on it!  Please join in!  We enjoyed
seeing the post from Curt Schimmel about the convention and we've saved
it -- Thanks Curt!
 
We appreciate your reactions, questions and comments.  We'll try to
answer whatever we can.  If you all want us to shut up, holler!
 
We have a question:  Regarding previous, and maybe future posts,
about the Innovations in Action tour we took, are we giving you too
much detail or just the right amount of detail?  We don't want to
ruin any future backstage tours you might take there (and that's why we
were sure to include the "SPOILER" information at the top). If you want
to tells us how you feel about it, try to send private Netmail so as to
not clutter up this area.
 
--Rich and Carol Koster
 
Internet's rec.arts.disney, FidoNet's Disney Echo, the 1st Disneyana
Convention in Orlando, all of WDW, and Splash Mountain are some of our
Laughing Places. :-D
 
Already looking forward to the 2nd Disneyana Convention at Disneyland
being added to our list of Laughing Places. ;-D

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From: slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Star Tours
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:20:55 GMT
Reply-To: slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

In article <1992Oct5.211408.24345@news.media.mit.edu> geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt) writes:
>In article <1aq2g8INNj71@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic) writes:
>>
<Deleted text regarding Pete wanting a comparison between Star Tours and a ride
  in Toronto>


>Absolutely no comparison!  These are totally different animals.

Well,  How are they different animals?  What make the ride in Toronto special?


Go Braves!!!!!
From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disney Story Gone
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:22:42 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

The following was posted by Ed Sterrett (1:3633/2) on Fidonet's Disney
echo on 11 Oct 92 at 02:25:00.
 
  To: All
Subj: Bad nooz..
 
  Two Magic Kingdom attractions have fallen prey to a budget cut..
 
Walt Disney Story, on Main Street USA, has closed it's doors.  The
artifacts displayed there have been returned to the Disney family at
their request, and no plans are being made, at this point, to reopen
the attraction.  During the last few years, attendance at this
attraction fell dramatically, averaging no more than 50 per show
during the summer.  A mandatory 5% budget reduction for operations
spurred the decision.
   Also effected by the belt-tightening is Tomorrowland's Carousel of
Progress.  It has simply stopped operation during this "traditional"
slow period at the park, and may re-open for the
Thanksgiving/Christmas crowds.  Rumor has it that the attraction will
soon be removed to make way for the recently made decision to "go
ahead" with the long-promised overhaul of Tomorrowland.  Alien
Encounters will more than likely occupy the space vacated by COP.
 
  On a brighter side, the Magic Kingdom parking lot actually filled to
capacity Saturday night for about 1/2 hr.  No special event was in
progress, other than extended weekend hours.  This is only the 3rd
time in the last 19 years that this occurred in the post-Labor Day to
Thanksgiving week period.  The other two times occurred last year
during the farewell performance of the Electrical Light Parade.
 
(End of text)

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney,rec.roller-coaster
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:15:24 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Queen Mary (Re: Disneyland Update)
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: MSEP Goofy Parade Queen Mary Cyclone Racer

Yeah, I'm crossposting.  I beg your forgiveness in advance. ;^)

chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
>I dunno when, but it's been within the last few weeks that Disney stopped
>acting as managing agent for the Queen (due to lack of attendance). I just
>saw a report within the last few days that the Port of Long Beach has turned
>the Queen over to the city along with some unspecified chunk of money (the
>port was offering $4 mil, the city wanted $20m) for refit and repair. 
>
>there were also offers to take over the boat from about 20 cities, including
>Hong Kong. The Lady is evidently in pretty poor shape and needs some major
>overhaul. Her next stop is probably dry dock.

And to think that the magnificient Cyclone Racer roller coaster was
destroyed to make way for the Queen Mary. 

Sigh.

Geoff ``I bet the Cyclone Racer would still draw a crowd'' Allen

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From: wkm1@nestor.uucp (24102-messer)
Subject: Re: WDW at New Years
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:41:58 GMT
Summary: WDW at New Years



I was at WDW last year from 12/26/91 to 1/1/92..
WHAT A ZOO!

The lines were very long not only at the Magic Kingdom, Epcot,
and MGM, but Universal was hopeless unless you RAN from event to
event and tried to keep one step ahead of the hordes...

I have to admit, New Years Eve was an experience I'll never forget,
but you have to contend with lots of crowds, and lots of not so
nice people.....

It was also incredibly cold while I was there....40's and 50's at night,
no higher than the high 50's during the day..

I'm not sure I'd do it again, to be honest.  It wasn't worth the
hassle.  I was at Disneyland in July and had a MUCH BETTER time.
From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Mickey's Starland
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:41:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Rich_Koster.0u9h
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Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

As you all know, "Mickey's Starland" at WDW was originally "Mickey's
Birthdayland".  A cast member told us in a tired voice "We celebrated
Mickey's birthday *every* day for two years."

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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disneyana - Beauty&Beast Cels Preview
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:28:19 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

A few of the cels from "Beauty and the Beast" were on display
during the Disneyana Convention in Orlando, as a preview for their
upcoming auction in Los Angeles October 17th (I think that's the
date).  You could buy the auction catalog from the special Disneyana
Store (and get 10% discount if you had your Magic Kingdom Club
membership card with you).  These are specially created cels,
backgrounds and set-ups for the auction.  "Beauty and the Beast" was
mainly a computer generated or computer colored animated feature.
There were maybe about 10 frames there.  Proceeds of this auction
will benefit an AIDS charity, in memory of Howard Ashman, one of the
film's composers who died of the disease.

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From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde)
Subject: Re: So Dear To My Heart
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:54:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.190041.11367@u.washington.edu>, mousktr@milton.u.washington.edu (Denise Lockner) writes:
|> In article <1ai2egINNef8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bd670@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell I. Dyreng) writes:
|> >
|> >Several newspapers in my area have been carrying ads for this
|> >Christmas Season's Disney videos.  These include Alice in
|> >Wonderland, 101 Dalmations, Dumbo and BatB among others.  One
|> >of the videos shown is called "So Dear To My Heart."  It appears
|> >to be part animation and part live actors.
|> >
|> >I can't recall having ever seen a Disney movie by this title
|> >before looking in last Sunday's paper.  Does anybody out there
|> >have more information on this title?
|> >
|> >Thanks, dudes.
|> >--
|> >Russ
|> >bd670@cleveland.freenet.edu
|> >Remember-any advice that I give you may be worth exactly what
|> >you paid for it.
|> 
|>  "So Dear To My Heart" was Disney's first attempt at live-action film.
|>   It stars Burl Ives and those 2 kids from "Song of the South". It's a
|>   story set, I think, in the South in the slavery era, I could be wrong.
|>   It features a very popular song, sung by Ives, "Lavenders Blue (Dilly
|>   Dilly)".
|> 
|> -Denise
|> *******
|> "If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER 
|>       DISNEY UNIVERSITY CLASS OF '92

I've not seen the film, but (from what I've read) it also contains 
animated sequences like Song of the South. So I would call it the 
second attempt at live-action. Then Reluctant Dragon, Saludos Amigos and
Three Caballeros also contained (a little bit of) live-action. And 
Treasure Island was the first only-live-action film.

Kurt.
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Howard Ashman
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:41:58 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Oct16.010736.26697@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang) writes:
>August Paul Yang wants a CD copy of Chess.

Be sure to get the copy with the black cover.  This is from the british version
and IMHO, is far superior to the American version (with white cover).

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From: cah32481@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cheryl A. Heinz)
Subject: Re: Disneyland College Program
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:55:50 GMT

I'm confused.
My school paper ran an ad today for the Walt Disney World College Program.
It's about a meeting that is mandatory for all wanting to interview
for the SPRING '93 college program.
Everyone else has said summers only...

Also, it says "All majors welcome."
Is this for potential cast members, or what?
(What programs are offered?)

Thanks,
Cheryl
From: kooper@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Rob Kooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: ftp site for disney gifs.
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:42:30 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

The titel says it. I'm looking for disney gifs.

Thanks.
--
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                                 |             -Alfred E. Neuman (MAD #310)
From: teri@sdd.hp.com (Teri Tracey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: B&B Laserdisc
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:51:15 -0700
Organization: HP/San Diego Technical Graphics
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>Just to clarify this even further, it *is* the entire movie.  You
>just dip back and forth between storyboards, pencil art, cleaned
>art (w/ and w/out effects), and the finished colored art.  It's
>pretty neat.

**Oh, and we saw a videotape of the wip, and it was NOT letterboxed.**

Teri Tracey              "When people are free to do as they like, they
 San Diego, CA            generally imitate each other."                   
  teri@sdd.hp.com  
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From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Howard Ashman
Date: 15 Oct 1992 04:26:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Something I forgot to mention in my first reply to the post--
I believe there is a little bit of background info on Ashman and
Menken in the book "The Art of Animation"--that's the one with the
whole section on the making of Beauty and the Beast.  I seem to 
remember seeing a section in that B&B part about the musicians and
their history.  Unfortunately, I don't have the financial resources
to own the book myself, so I'm not guarunteeing that this info is
accurate.
Linda on a college budget 
-- 
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Calvin: "A penny for your thoughts." 
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From: kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com (the Rev. Mom)
Subject: Re: Howard Ashman
Organization: CRS San Diego UUCP Gateway
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:41:04 GMT

> ltw@titan.ucc.umass.edu (LEE T WARNER) writes:
>Ashman has an amazing ability
>to find the exact word that is necessary for the repective time in the music
>and in the movie.  This is a rare gift that has practically been lost with
>the decline of musicals.  
>  Of course, Ashman also has the amazing ability to write for adults and 
>children alike, but that is not what seperates him from the others.  Nobody,
>and I repeat, NOBODY has the inherent lyrical timing of Howard Ashman. 

Well, personally, I'd disagree, as I'm a Sondheim worshipper.
But I will agree that Ashman is irreplacable. And I'm talking
about *just* the lyrics. If I start to think again about the
storytelling and producing I'll just get depressed.

I really put my foot in it this summer at the San Diego Comic Con,
talking to Kirk Wise and Gary Trousdale by speculating as to who could
replace Ashman as a lyricst.  Trousdale just looked at me for a moment,
and then said in a voice that sent reality and shivers washing through
my brain "No one can replace Howard."  Major gaffe.  <sigh>.
And it's true. I tried on several names in my head and none of
them worked: Sondheim couldn't do *Disney* and besides, he's
already got fairytales out of his system :-).  Finn has weak spots
in his lyrics, Rice is too stringent, maybe Maltby but he's
Shire's partner.  Zippel needs seasoning.  At least Disney's signed
Ahrens and Flaherty.  Maybe Barry Harman?

<sigh>.  No one can replace Howard.

I've heard two songs from ALADDIN: one with lyrics by Ashman, and
one with lyrics by Rice.  I wouldn't have been able to tell on a
first listening, because I tend to get lost in Disney animated
movies, but with repeated hearings, it became obvious that Rice
simply doesn't have the same touch.

And Menken has done NEWSIES and WEIRD ROMANCE in the meantime,
and both have attracted scores of reviews saying how he needs
Ashman.

<sigh>.  At least there's still ALADDIN.

--Kathy Li aka the Rev. Mom
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kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com |  Give me some tas-*sel*!"
------------------------|                  -- The Genie, ALADDIN.
From: bd670@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell I. Dyreng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disneyland crowds
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:59:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Regarding Disneyland crowds during February on a weekday.  I 
went there on a Wednesday during February a few years ago.  It
was great!  We had the whole place practically to ourselves.  All
of the lines were incredibly short.  Even though it closed at 
6:00pm we were able to go on just about everything twice.  We
rode Space Mountain seven times.  I forget how many times we did
the Matterhorn Bobsleds.

The only real drawback that I saw was that I noticed was that 
some of the attractions close down during the slow times.  But
on the whole, going on a weekday during the slow season is a

great experience.

-- 
Russ
bd670@cleveland.freenet.edu
Remember-any advice that I give you may be worth exactly what
you paid for it.
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From: emj@super.org (Elaine M Jacobson)
Subject: Re: Magic Kingdom special hours, plus Re: Various WDW Questions
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:29:47 GMT


brenda@bookhouse.end.sun.com (Brenda Bowden) 

asks 

(1) about Character breakfasts besides the one at the Polynesian. 

I have heard that the one at the Empress Lilly Riverboat can be skipped. 
Haven't heard much good or bad about the one that is supposed to be 
at the Contemporary Character Cafe.  I have heard that the others 
are good; these are at the Beach Resort Cape May Cafe (Goofy) 
and Grand Floridian 1900 Park Fare (Mary Poppins).  I also hear tell 
of a DINNER Character Buffet at the Grand Floridian 1900 Park Fare 
(Chip & Dale) that is supposed to also be good.  Also, in case you 
are interested in a buffet with no Characters, the dinner Clam Bake 
at the Beach Club Cape May Cafe is supposed to be excellent.  
I haven't tried any of these recently, so other comments, opinions 
are welcome.  

(2) about the special tickets for December 11 and 12.

I don't know anything about the `cast-member parties' as reported by 
bd670@cleveland.freenet.edu (Russell I Dyreng).  Since this one in 
December is a Christmas thing, I think it would be open to the 
public.  I happened to be at WDW at a time one October when they 
had a similar evening party (that time it was rock groups for local 
high-schoolers). Tickets were available to all at the Guest Service 
desk at our resort. We went and had a grand time - all the attractions 
were open and nobody was on them!  I think we went through 'It's a Small 
World' (one of my many favorites) at least 5 times in a row!  
Anyway, I don't know how to get them ahead of time, say through the 
mail, but I would just call any one of the resort's Guest Services 
and ask.  Polynesian phone is (407) 824-2000.


Have fun on your visit and please report back to us after your return.


Elaine, a major Disney addict


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From: mcdonald@netcom.com (Jim Mc Donald)
Subject: Re: Magic Kingdom special hours, plus Re: Various WDW Questions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:34:08 GMT

In article <1at1snINN2nq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bd670@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell I. Dyreng) writes:
>
>I have heard similarly about Disneyland.  I was told that on 
>early closing days (ie off-season) that the park reopens later
>on in the evening for company parties and the like.  I was also
>told that on an early closing day you can ask a cast member if
>there is a private party scheduled for that evening.  If there 
>is then you are supposed to be able to mill around for a while
>until the rides start up again and enjoy the park with the 
>private party.  
>
>This sounds like it could be the making of an urban legend.  I
>really don't know.  Is there a present or former cast member 
>out there who can confirm or deny this?  Denise of Critter 
>Country?  Anybody?
>
Actually, this is true, and false.  Certain companies rent out the whole park 
on a Thursday or Friday evening, usually from 7pm to 1am. Depending upon the
wishes of the company renting the park, there may be a mingling of normal-
hours guests and guests of teh company. It will not be advertised publically
at any time, but most cast members who would normally be off at 8pm will
open their mouths and say something about it.

When Disneyland offers an "Enchanted Evening" to a small company, where only
New Orleans Square and Critter Country are open, only guests of the 
sponsering company are allowed in the park, as this only lasts about three
hours, and usually starts at 8pm.


Jim Mc Donald
mcdonald@netcom.com
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Disney Branson
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:09:34 GMT

In article <Rich_Koster.0u9d@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster) writes:
>This report went on to say that since the
>opening months of EuroDisney have been more successful than the
>opening months of the other Disney parks, and that in addition to
>EuroDisney that there are successful parks in Tokyo and on the East
>& West coasts of the U.S., that now they felt it was time to make a
>park in the middle of the country.

If the move into Branson is supposedly based on the "success" of 
EuroDisney, then it's probably no more real than the "Disneyland
in the Phillipines" report of a few months back.  EuroDisney keeps
assuring people that they're happy with how things are going, but all
outside sources suggest that the initial opening has been a 
disappointment.  Certainly it cannot be regarded as an overwhelming
success, even going by EuroDisney press releases.  

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: chamber@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Craig Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Pirates of the Caribbean
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:32:19 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <1992Oct14.142831.28445@col.hp.com> dons@col.hp.com (Don Schott) writes:
>	I was interested in seeing how many people prefer the 
>Pirates of the Caribbean at DL vs at WDW.  Many of the scenes 
>seem to be the very similar, but there also seem to be differences.  
>I think I remember 2 drops in the channel at DL while only 1 at
>WDW.  The ride also seemed longer at DL, and you ride the boat back 
>up to the surface (so to speak), while you get off before the
>boats go back up at WDW.  
>
>     	My girlfried and I were at DL in 1989 and WDW in 1991,
>and we prefer the original the best.  We wish we could ride the
>two within a short period of time, so that we could better compare
>them.  Pirates is one of our favorites at both places.
>
>	What do the rest of you think?
>	
>	She will be going to Japan on business in Nov. and
>wants to try to get to Tokyo Disneyland (I am Sooooo jealous).
>I think TDL has a Pirates.  I wonder what it's like?  It's hard
>to imagine some of the dialogue translated into Japanese.

I was fortunate enough to visit Tokyo Disneyland last April,
and I did go on the Pirates of the Caribbean attraction.  But
it had been a while since I had been to the other parks, so it
was hard for me to compare exactly.  It seemed pretty similar.
It was amusing to me to see the young Japanese guys that run
the attraction dressed up in pirate costumes.  Some of the
pirates were speaking Japanese as best I could tell, but later
in the attraction, there were still a few parts in English,
and the song "Yo Ho Yo Ho A Pirate's Life for Me" was still in
English.

By coincidence, and I didn't discover this until I was leaving
the park, I was at Tokyo Disneyland the day before its 9th
anniversary.

-- 
(My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer.)
Craig Chamberlain, Software Engineer, Applicon Schlumberger
Ann Arbor, Michigan  chamber@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com  (313) 995-6310