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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:15:40 GMT

dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dave Kelly) writes:

>hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:

>[Good stuff about Trojan Band deleted]

>>OK. Name one, just one, marching drill that the USC band is famous for.
>>Now, name a marching drill that Ohio State is famous for.  Which do you
>>think will be recognized by more people?
>>We TBDBITL alumni can be arrogant, too.

>Ummm...I can't name a drill that EITHER fucking school is famous for, I can
>however, say matter of factly that I've seen USC's marching band on such
>FAMOUS (that's the word we're working for, right?) features as "THE NAKED GUN",
>"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS", and don't they have a small pep band that
>plays at Laker games at the Forum in Inglewood?

>In contrast, I haven't seen Ohio State so much as wipe their asses on anything
>famous.  I think USC has a better reason to be arrogant...

Geez Dave, what the hell crawled up your ass to make you so cranky?

BTW, have you ever seen Ohio State spell out their famous Script Ohio formation?
That's what Jim Hulsey was referring to.  It's the formation where Ohio State
actually spells out the word 'Ohio' on the field and they have been doing this
for quite a few years (at least 20) at all Bowl Games and several regular season
games.  Evidently you've missed it somehow.  Also, I wouldn't call being shown on
"America's Funniest Home Videos" as something I'd want to be famous for.

Concerning Ohio State and being famous . . . OSU turns down more invitations for
parades, functions, engagements, premiers, etc. than most famous sports figures.
OSU has been invited to EVERY inaguaral President's parade since the early 60's,
gets invited to every Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's Day Parade by EVERY
parade committee and STILL gets invited to everything under the sun, BUT, and
again I say BUT, in being consisten, they politely state that they won't be 
attending the parade/events/etc.  Why?  First of all, concerning the Presidental
inaguaral thing, the OSU band doesn't want to be associated with anything
political in nature.  Regarding Holiday parades, they only perform in a parade 
which is tied to a Bowl game Ohio State is playing in, like the Rose Bowl, for
instance.  The OSU band will NOT, repeat NOT play or perform for money, like
U$C's will do by playing in the Fleetwood Mac song/video or in "The Naked Gun",
etc.  I'll take pride, values and tradition over arrogance any day!

allen "JI-ROW" warren
TBDBITL '79-'82 member
From: danmcd@cs.arizona.edu (Daniel L. McDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Band Announcers
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:39:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Dec11.174331.601@leland.Stanford.EDU> cybe@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rajesh Krishnan) writes:
>I just thought I'd join my Stanford compatriots Scott and Adam on the
>net here and toss out a question...
>
>Are there any other band announcers out there?  I'm one of the

Well, at Michigan, we haven't had a student announcer since 1969.  This is
because that last student announcer we had was so good, we decided to keep
him announcing.  His name is Carl Grapentine.  He works for a classical station
in Chicago, and comes to Ann Arbor for games.  He has a distinct and gently
authoritative baritone that'll send shivers of excitement up and down your
spine whenever you hear at pregame:

	"Laaaadies and Gentlemen.  Presenting the 225 member Michigan Marching
	 Band.  Baaand, take the field!"

I think OSU and Wisconsin have their own full-time announcers too.  I'd like
to hear about this.
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From: lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band)
Subject: Re: UCLA Rumor
Organization: Stanford Band
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:13:47 GMT

In article <4> rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:

>As to replacing "Sons of Westwood", I'm pretty sure that "The Mighty Bruin"
>was originally intended to be the replacement.  However, I find it amusing
>that at about the same time "Mighty Bruin" came into existence, the football
>team and coach let it be known that they got a real charge (for some reason)
>out of hearing "Sons of Westwood" over and over.  In response, the band now
>plays that song (in my opinion) far too often, becoming quite reminiscent of
>the band from that other school across town.  UCLA has quite a few fight 
>songs (though not as many as Cal), and it's really disappointing that we 
>don't hear more of them during games.

I'm beginning to get interested in this thread.  Just to set the record
straight (for us non UC people), which one goes:

da da Da Da DA DA Da Da da da, da Da DA Da da ("Bork bork bork woooo")?
(This is the same one with "U! C! L! A! UCLA Eat my shorts!" (the Stanford
words to it, no matter WHO is playing it).

And yes, UCLA did play it way too much last time we were down there.  And
the security people were too uptight to let the two bands get together
and play our big jam session that we often used to do after games.  Oh
well.  The game is up here next year - time to revive the big post-game
jam (and the night before's drinking extravaganza in the Shak).

Scott "curious enuf not to study for his Heat Transfer final" Stan4d
-- 
Leland Stanford Junior      .__________________. "Dinosaurs that Change
University Marching Band    | Stegosaurus Ave. |  into Road Signs" Show
                             ~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~
lsjumb@leland.stanford.edu           |            Sit down, Joel.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:58:59 EST
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Penn State Band?
 <1992Dec12.200932.25545@newstand.syr.edu>

In article <1992Dec12.200932.25545@newstand.syr.edu>, jmoulton@mothra.syr.EDU
(Ana Ng) says:

>>Since we're going to be meeting up with Penn State in the Blockbuster
>>Bowl in January, I thought I'd write and see if there is anyone out
>>there from the Penn St. Blue Band.  I'm just wondering what kinds of
>>stuff to expect...:-)

Expect to get your butts blown off the field and into the Atlantic Ocean.
Have a nice day! :-)

>What to expect from the band? Well, I thought they were real nice and put
>on a damn good show. There was only one bad thing about the trip: Joe Paterno.
>What a putz. He wouldn't let either band march on the field at halftime
>because 'we'd tear up his grass'.

The quote in the local liberal rag, um, I mean campus newspaper, was from
a groundskeeper or the athletic director or someone 'important:'
"[The Band] could end up making a divot in the field which the ball could
 hit, changing the course of the game."  (Paraphrasing; this is pretty close.
 It WAS this stupid.)

They did this to us at the (final) Pitt game this year, too.  After the game,
I walked across the tattered remains of the field at Beaver Stadium, and
tried to figure else what the hell MORE harm we could have done to it.

>-Jen
>Pychotic Piccolo and Flower of Hell
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is redundant.

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From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("seilF eht fo droL, bubezleeB")
Subject: Re: Spirit
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:35:07 GMT

Dear Stanford Folks,
	Greetings from the Award Winning Virginia Fighting
Cavalier Indoor/Outdoor Precision marching Pep Band and Chowder
Society Review, Unlimited.
 	You feel lonely?!  Boy oh fat bottomed boy, do we.
None of the other schools in our division will even allow us to
perform there anymore -and there aint no scramblers in site.
Lawdy, what a tingly way to get in touch with you folks.  
	Our year in review:  The athletic department
has our shows reviewed by a board of five (or is it six?) deans
-rot rot rot.  They cut out anything and everything that could
possibly be construed as offensive to your grandmother's
tea friends; conservative state that Virginny is.  But we
pushed and we pushed and managed to get through some failry
scathing stuff aimed with none but fraternal regard for our
friends the Clemson Tiger Band- 
	What a one song joke of a band they have.  Hold that
tiger, hold that tiger, hold that tiger, hold that ....errrrr!
They must have played that 50 times.
	Their show was a Disney Magic salute spectacular -yank
yank.  We came on and presented our best impression of the
Clemson Band -block formation and our band started playing that
irritating romp.  My buddy and I dressed up like gangsters,
strode across the field and pulled out Uzis and mowed everybody
down while the announcer held a Blaster up the the mic.  
	Crowd: HHHHHHHHHrrrrrraaaa!
	Everyone died, except for one guy who kept playing all
by himself.  We walked up to him, grapped his trombone and hit
him over the head with it.
	Blunt, but effective.



	What has been your favorite stunt this year?


			Mick Stone

	mss2e@Virginia.EDU
From: clark@angelo.amd.com (Brad D. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Hey! TUBAS.....where are you???
Keywords: lalalalalal
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:58:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

Greetings (BLATT) from an ex-TUBA (retired).

If anybody (you're anybody if you're a TUBA player, otherwise you aren't)
can get a copy of the University of Idaho Alumni magazine (an ish I think
came out early this year), there's a feature article about our Favorite
Shoulder-killers.  Great article on TUBA culture.

If I can find it, I'll post it (but it's reeeeeeeeally long).

BLATT!

From a HS TUBA player that led the section of 12 (yes, boys & girls, 12)
TUBAs, and marched Front Row, Left Corner for 2 years.

Brad
clark@brahms.amd.com
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From: elmanad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Bunch of Stuff (First r.a.m.m post)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:01:17 GMT

sloan@iastate.edu (Eric R Sloan) writes:
:  Hi all! I'd just like to say that I'm very pleased that this group was 
: created. There should be some interesting discussion I should think...
: 
: 
:  As for band traditions, we have one I havn't heard much about recently, but
: I still think it exists....It's called "Campiniling"(sp?)
: 
:  There is some old school tradition that says that you aren't really an ISU 
: student unless you kiss your SO (Significant Other) for all 12 bells
: (midnight) under the campanile(belltower). Now on warm autumn nights it can 
: get almost crowded under there. Well, now you KNOW what's going to happen
: there's not much point in telling BUT Well, we get a bunch of people 
: together and do a little "midnight serenade" :)
: 

We have a similar tradition here.  You're not a "real Stanford Man or
Woman" unless you've kissed a senior under a full moon in the main
Quad.  Once or twice a year, the senior class sponsors an official
"Full Moon on the Quad", and the LSJUMB generally shows up and plays a
few tunes (including "Moondance", which we never play any other time
-- IMHO, it's a great song, but it's just not interesting enough to
play for anything else.)  They also have a couple of a capella
groups...

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
LSJUMB BONZ
From: dct@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Southern U. in Japan
Keywords: shoplift, steal, bad name
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:46:54 GMT

bob@b30.ingr.com (Bob Baccus) writes:

>Did you hear about the Souther University Marching Band (Houston, TX)
>and their visit to Japan?

Just for the record, it was the *Texas* Southern U. band from Houston,
not the fine folks from Southern U. in Louisiana.

>... perform on Dec. 5 in Japan for the Neb - Kan football game. After the 
>game, the band went to an area that had a lot of electronic stores (still
>in uniform). The band members shoplifted over $25,000.00 of electronic 
>stuff (hand-held tv's, walkmans, ...). The store owners called the police
>but they couldn't identify anyone because they all were wearing their
>uniforms. The police wouldn't let the buses leave until they gave back the
>stuff. App. $18,000.00 worth of items were returned. [Texas] Southern U.
>sent a check to cover the rest of the stuff.

We first heard about that here in Houston over a week ago -- for some
reason, the wire services held off until now to cover the story.
Anyway, the president of TSU has responded to the matter --
perpetrators will be disciplined, with punishments ranging from
reprimand to expulsion from the school.  Also, there is some question
as to who paid restitution (TSU claims the amount not recovered was
paid in cash by the Japanese tour sponsor, not by TSU) and whether the
band members were in uniform at the time.

A humorous part of this was that the Japanese police talked the band
members into returning the merchandise after telling them that the
electronics were wired for 220 VAC, and wouldn't work in the USA.

--
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University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center         (713) 792-2606
Mail Stop 237, 1515 Holcombe Boulevard, Houston, TX  77030-4096
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From: zaidioa@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Omar A. Zaidi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Band Traditions
Date: 16 Dec 1992 07:46:58 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: adrienne.cs.rose-hulman.edu


-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Omar Zaidi                              |" Nothing we have ever done in the
zaidioa@cs.rose-hulman.edu              |  past will ever be good enough 
zaidioa@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu        |  again"
From: mgraban@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Graban)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Arrogance vs. niceness
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:11:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

I'd have to agree that the U. of Illinois band was very nice.  I travelled to
U. Of I with a huge group from our band to see the game this past season. 
Before the game, the Illinois director invited us to march with them after the
game back to their band building and hang out with them.  We thought this was
kind of odd since we didn't have instruments or anything with us.  anyway, as
the game turned out, we came back from 21 point deficit in the fourth quarter
and absolutely killed their homecoming (GO CATS).  

In all our excitement, we kind of blew off the band's original offer. 
However, we did catch up with them later.  They gave us hats (Illinois hats,
mind you) and were overly nice to us.
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From: lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band)
Subject: Re: Binary Drumming (Was: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?)
Organization: Stanford Band
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:46:05 GMT

In article <0100110100111> pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) writes:

>Messing with binary (and perhaps other) number schemes could open up a whole
>mess of interesting drum warmup ideas!

Have 'em, done 'em, nailed 'em shut.

Our own ABF Ethan Straffin charted 'em a few years ago (aye it seems boot
yisterdee he wooz jist ni high tew a grisshoopr).  I pester him once in 
a while to make the drumz learn it, but I don't think they've done them
publicly yet.
-- 
Leland Stanford Junior     |\   | |~~~~ |    | ~~T~~ "LSJUMBle" Show
University Marching Band   | \  | |     |    |   |    Fall, 1986
                           |  \ | |     |    |   |
lsjumb@leland.stanford.edu |   \| |____  \__/    |    Hey bonz - nice E.
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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: College/HS Marching Band Quickie Survey
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:34:13 GMT

In article <1gbbapINNlvj@agate.berkeley.edu> timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.232601.8651@leland.Stanford.EDU> aelman@cs.stanford.edu writes:
>>lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band) writes:
>
>>: OK, hold on a sec - this could be a big disorganized netmess.  Tim
>>: Castro at Berkeley seems to be making a list of bands and their
>>: marching style; perhaps it would be best to email (not post) responses
>>: to him (but let's get the go-ahead from him first, since this could be
>>: a time-consuming task depending on how much info goes in).  He would
>>: post the results later.
>
>E-mail is just fine for me.  I just thought that we all would like
>to get a sense of the different styles performed by the bands represented
>on this group.  I'm actually asking for 1) my own curiousity and
>2) a history project I'm doing for my band.
>
>Seems like Donald and I are interested in similar things and that we
>sent off our surveys at the same time.  Obviously his is far more thorough
>than mine.  I'm just looking for short one-line definitions.
>
>Donald, I'm more than willing to send you the information that people
>have e-mail me.  So that work isn't doubled, I suggest that people answer
>Donald's survey, and then he could you either post or upload the
>responses to a ftp site.  How does that sound?
>

Sounds good to me.  Here's what I propose we do.  People can either post
to this newsgroup or send e-mail in response to either of the two surveys
(e-mail seems to be more reliable, since we might miss a post or something).

I will gather all posts and e-mail concerning my survey and Tim can gather
all posts and e-mail for his survey.  I will post a summary at some point
(in fact, I'll probably post the survey again after the Holiday break).

Presumably, Tim will also post a summary of his results.
Thanks!

-- Donald
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From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney)
Subject: Binary Drumming (Was: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:15:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Dec16.002529.27075@leland.Stanford.EDU> yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>From: yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
>Subject: Re: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?
>Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:25:29 GMT
>lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band) writes:
>: In article <glurp> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:
>
>Not to mention the "Binary Defense" cheer, although I appear to be the
>only person anymore who likes it (and I'm not about to do it by
>myself...).  Basically, you have 0 = clap and 1 = "DEFENSE!", and you
>count from 000 to 111 in binary...
>

Messing with binary (and perhaps other) number schemes could open up a whole
mess of interesting drum warmup ideas!

e.g.

 . = 8th note

   12/8
 | ... ..: .:. .:: | :.. :.: ::. ::: | repeat w/flams, chertas, accents, etc.
   RL etc....

 (see the FAQ for the notation if you're not yet familiar with it....) 

- Pete

____________________________________________________________________________
| Peter J. McKinney                     pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu |
| Electrohydrodynamic Laboratory                                           |
| Fluid Mechanics and Wind Engineering Program                             |
| Civil Engineering Department                                             |
| Colorado State University                                                |
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From: jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, the Bringer of War")
Subject: Skramblin' Man
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:13:58 GMT

Howdy once again from The Award-Winning Virginia Fighting
Cavalier Indoor/Outdoor Precision(?) Marching Pep Band &
Chowder Society Revue, Unlimited!!!
And the question of the day is:  The Mighty Skramble-Off
That's right.  Many members of assorted scramble, i.e.
non-traditional format bands seem to be out there on this list,
and I'd really like to know who y'all are, as well as to assure
you that McStone is really a representative member of our fair
organization.  If you're on crack.
Here at the AWVaFCI/OP(?)MPB&CSR,U!!!, we're trying to put
together a list of scramblin' bands around the country, for
purposes of fellowship, mutual esteem, and bizarre demonic
rituals.  Join the Fun. Send your band addresses to Mick
(mss2e@uva.pcmail.Virginia.edu) or myself
(jat6h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.edu).  We're thinking of trying to
get together a "Scramble Band Debauch-Off" competition in the
near future...

				Justin Tate
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: I don't wanna post WGI here
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:15:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

>In article <168BD7CEB.WHFELT01@UKCC.UKY.EDU> WHFELT01@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Bill Felty) writes:
>;Sorry, I don't want to be difficult but I don't think it's fair for me to have
>;to sort through 90, that's 90 posts on college bands this morning to get to
>;the WGI posts in which I'm interested! Everyone keeps saying the WGI posts are
>;few. Of course!!  Who want to wade though tons of stuff they don't care about
>;to get to the things they do.  At least when I'm searching through DCI posts,
>;it's related and I read them!!!!  And marching.misc posts outnumber the DCI
>;list about 3 to 1.
>; 
>;I don't want to "wait it out" to see what happens.  In fact, I'm unsubscribing
>;from the marching.misc list ASAP!  I'll continue to look at the drumcorps list
>;and hope that other WGI folks find a welcome home there.
>; 
>;When alt.colorguard existed, low traffic or not, there was not this problem.
>;Knowing all this, I wish I could go back and change my vote.  Until all this
>;is corrected, I'll still feel that WGI got the shaft. Sorry, just being honest

>I appreciate this problem.  I don't think any of us anticipated how much
>traffic there would be devoted to college marching bands when this all started.
>I should have realized it would be significant since >80% of the sites are
>at colleges.

>I'll restate my preference:  I think WGI has much more in common with drumcorps
>than with college bands.  Even though we designed the misc group to include
>colorguard, I would prefer to have WGI posts in r.a.m.drumcorps until such
>time that a separate r.a.m.college gets created.  

>There is another option of course - the KILL file.  Just add "band" to your
>KILL file of r.a.m.misc and 90% of the band posts will be removed for you.

>I think this needs some more discussion on r.a.m.misc and r.a.m.drumcorps.
>Other opinions?


I agree with Michael.  On the one hand r.a.m.m. is blowing us "corps folks"
out of the water, on the other, good for them, I'm glad they have their
own forum.

I would like to see WGI postings on r.a.m.d. because they are 1)lost
on r.a.m.m. 2) ties are to drum corps, after all they all started out
as corps fielding winter guards (years ago).

Another possibility is to leave alt.colorguard active.  I would not
mind having both alt.colorguard and alt.drumcorps kept although some
may feel that this defeats the purpose of creating the new newsgroups.
I, for one, don't mind subscribing to all 4.  

However, if alt.drumcorps is deleted maybe we should keep alt.colorguard?

What does everybody think?

P.S.  I believe that winter guard gets started in California and Boston
in DECEMBER.  Has anyone heard of shows going on this month?

Ken
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