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From: pm@nnsgs50.tcom.stc.co.uk (Peter Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up deal
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:39:04 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com

In article <1gq4l2INN147@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>
>What ??!!! 4000 cost 2100 UK pounds about $4000 !!?
>
>Thats it Im moving to the US ! ;-)
>
>Regards..


2100 pounds  hahahaha my one is only costing 2023, of course I can't tell
you how I am able to buy at trade price :-)

>
>Vlod
>-Amiga Advocate.
>----------------------------------------------
>Amiga - Anything else isn't worth considering
>----------------------------------------------


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From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Digital RZ 23 disk drive ?
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:47:41 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

I have gotten a hold of a Digital RZ 23 disk drive.  I am told that it is a
100 Meg scsi.  I would like to install it in my a590.  I have swapped my
quantum 105 for the original xt before.  Looking at this RZ, I notice some
differences.  Can anyone offer advice on installing this?
	First, will it be as easy to set-up as my Quantums?  (I mean using
HDToolBox)
	Second, at the front of the drive there is a 14 pin (male) connector
that seems to be missing three pins.  What is this for?  Do I need to worry
about it?
	There are five jumpers on the unit.  The three that are together, I 
take to be the unit address.  What are the other two?


Thanks,
	Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dcantrel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel T Cantrell)
Subject: Need info on tape drives
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:20:19 GMT

I hope that someone can give me some good feedback on an idea
for playing an animation in 10fps directly to a tape recorder without
the need to buy a single frame setup.  I was thinking of getting a 
tape drive (maybe 250Megs) and since an animation is basically 
sequential its kinda made for animation. 

I am looking specifically at the Archive 2150S Viper QIC 150MB external
that supposedly has a peak read rate of 1.2 MB/sec.  

I would like to know if it is possible to play an animation from a
tape drive.

If so, what kind of software does that?

Also, what is the minimum speed (transfer rate) for 10 frames per
second in HAM6?

Has anyone done this before?  

Can anyone who's used one of these tape drives please let me know what
they think of them.  


Thanks.

Dan
From: dvsg0223@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David Salamon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Stupid question of the week: Why not a VGA card in your A2
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:36:36 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.030321.19353@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>> >> It already has been done: the GoldenGate II (not to be confused with
>> >> Vortex's "Golden Gate" products) from David Salamon.
>> >Hmm. tell me, who's writing the driver for it? This would mean my
>> >386 would lose it's ET-4000 sVGA card to Amy PDQ. :-) 
>> 
>> Sorry, the Golden Gate won't allow you to do this. Besides, without RTG,
>> how would you display Workbench? 

>Are you sure we are talking about the same GoldenGate II? I am
>pretty sure the docs mention that it is possible. And displaying
>the WB could be done in the same way as those German Domino and 
>Retina cards do it

I think we have some name confusion here.  The GoldenGateII bridgecard is 
my Amiga-to-PC bus interface board.  It can indeed use a VGA or SuperVGA, 
etc. card to display graphics, and when Retargetable Graphics (RTG) becomes
available you WILL be able to use your entire workbench through the VGA card at
full Zorro bus speed.  Note that my board merely acts as a bus translator,
and has no microprocessor.

The "Golden Gate" 386/486 bridgeboard from Vortex is an ordinary bridgeboard
with a CPU.  Vortex stole my board's name and refused to change it when I wrote
them about a year ago.  The Vortex board acts as a PC emulator and does not
pass the bus through.  Therefore, you will NOT be able to display your
workbench through any VGA card you plug in, only the display from your PC
programs.

David

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David Salamon                Physics Graduate Student (Slave)
d-salamon@uiuc.edu           University of Illinois
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From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Multisynch
Date: 17 Dec 1992 14:36:09 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ianm@icsbelf.co.uk (Ian Moran) writes:
: Hello folks
: 
: The time has come to buy a Multisynch monitor for my 2000. Bearing in
: mind a flicker fixer will come later can I have some recommendations
: as to suitable models. I would wish this monitor to be useful in all Amiga
: screen modes old and new as well as being usable on a PC should I (eek) ever
: decide to buy one.
: For example, I was looking at the technical spec for a Panasonic PanaSync
:
: C1381. Horizontal scan rate is 30-37 Khz. Am I correct in assuming that
: this is useless with the Amiga since it cannot synch down to 15Khz and in
: fact would only be usable in conjunction with a flicker fixer.

The flicker fixers job is to boost the signal from 15 KHz to 31 KHz.
So I presume that if you get a monitor that can scan down to 15 KHz as C=
1950/1960 do, then you wouldn't need to get a ffixer in the future.

: 
: I currently use a 1084 and would be looking for a display visibly superior
: without the immediate need to fit a flicker fixer device.
: 
: Thanks in advance
: 
:  Ian

I would suggest you buy a monitor that can sync down to 15 KHz as the Amiga 4000
really needs this type of freq. (If you wish to upgrade in the future).

I presume the 1960 will work on the PC, but Im only guessing.
Any offers out there?

Regards..

Vlod
-Amiga Advocate.
----------------------------------------------
Amiga - Anything else isn't worth considering
----------------------------------------------
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 2.0 Autoconfig Question
Keywords: autoconfig, 2.0
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:26:42 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <ByEuyL.BGn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dvsg0223@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David Salamon) writes:

>Now, I have heard that on an A2000 or A2500 machine with 2.04 in ROM
>the memory space from $00A00000 - $00B7FFFF is also available for autoconfig,
>just as on the A3000.  

Nope.  The A2000/A2500 hardware doesn't completely support Zorro II in those
address spaces.



-- 
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Technically feasible Amiga
Date: 10 Dec 92 23:37:26 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Dec8.010339.533@fcom.cc.utah.edu> val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:
> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> : In article <mN9iTB1w164w@cellar.org> swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur) writes:
> : grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> : 
> : > >     4 - Thin-wire ethernet standard in all Amigas.  
> : 
> : > Sure that one wasn't twisted pair?  
> : 
> : George, go take a look at AMD's latest "Advances" magazine.  They just
> : introduced a ONE-CHIP ethernet solution.  
> : 
> : Ha!  It's a one chip solution for an ISA bus system with a relatively
> : low DMA latency.  This means that it is suddenly *not* a one-chip
> : solution in a Motorola environment where you have to translate all
> : the control signals and/or timing and in the Amiga environment where
> : video/copper/blitter DMA may result in arbitrarily long DMA latency.
> 
> Isn't an IDE controller also a one-chip solution in an ISA machine?  Didn't
> Commodore succeed in making it a zero-chip solution by rolling it into one
> of the Custom Chips?  The A1200 is the new low-end Amiga, and it has an
> integrated IDE controller.

An IDE controller is a near-zero chip solution in an ISA machine, but it
is not a bus master.  It is only a tiny additional pain in the butt in
the A600/A1200, but this is because all the same perversions needed to
be implemented to support the PCMCIA card.

>                         Doesn't this set a precedent that an ethernet
> is a one chip solution and should be included in ALL future Amigas?

I don't follow this logic at all. 

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From: wille@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Wille)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Help needed with SyQuest SQ555 removable media HD
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:59:09 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering

I'm trying to help a friend get a removable media HD running on his
A3000 (WB 2.04).  The name of the drive on the faceplate is Rhaman
(or something close to that) but he says its a SyQuest inside.

I plugged it into the external SCSI port and powered it up with a
cartridge inside, booted the 3000 and ran HDtoolbox.  With HD
toolbox I changed the drivetype to the values that it read from
the drive (it reported that it was a SyQuest 42 MB drive, which
is what I expected).  Then I did a low-level format, and partitioned
it as single partition.

Upon leaving HDtoolbox, the icon for the drive appeared as SHD0:RRRR,
and it refused to open.  So, I got SCSI mounter from FF537 (or somewhere
near there) and mounted it, at which point the icon became SHD0:BUSY.

So, now I'm stuck.  Can someone give me some insight into how to get
this thing going?  I'd appreciate it. 

	-Jeff
From: jimomura@tndb.UUCP (Jim Omura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  WOC Toronto: Amiga's Future
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:35:47 EST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Dec16.054627.24848@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.173535.24953@oracle.us.oracle.com> dnavas@oracle.uucp
>(David Navas) writes:

...

[NOTE:  I'm writing this WITHOUT reference notes so I may be wrong.
        Heck, even if I *had* my notes I could be wrong. -- Jim O. :-) ]

>>Anyway, that's a 17ns pixel -- which is what we need for 1024x768x60, right?

     17ns only affects horizontal resolution, not vertical.  At least
I can't see how it could affect vertical.

>>Yeah, for free.  This, along with the 100% backwards compatible makes it
>>yet-again a 16bit blitter.  Sigh....

     I think you've misunderstood the matter of "backward compatibility."
My recollection is as follows:  Mr. E. said specifically that there would
be NO hardware backward compatibility from the future chipsets back
to AGA or previous and AGA is not backward compatible with ECS and
previous.  That means clearly that they are not commited to make a
"16 bit blitter".  All they mean is that software that ran on the
16 bit blitter will still run (if at all feasible) on future chipsets.
I'm fairly certain that he stated that the AGA blitter is 32 bit.
That was partly how they got 4 times the throughput.

...

[RE: parallel graphics processors]

>>Like I really am going to believe this?
>>Really, I'd prefer a wider CHIPbus....  What is more than one blitter going
>>to do for me?  I've only -got- one bloody bus (or do I?).

     You want this described from "what is a pixel level"? :-)  The Amiga
memory has contiguous memory bitplanes.  To address a Pixel with 5 bits
depth you have 5 areas of memory to address.  Now, if you separate
the graphics memory into 5 separate blocks of RAM, each with a
processor, you can send the same instruction to the 5 processors
at the same time, and they will all do the same thing at the same
time in their respective memory areas.  So if you want to move a
row of pixels from the top of the screen, instead of a single processor
copying a block if RAM from the "top" of the first page of RAM to the
bottom of the first page of RAM, and then move on to the next page of
RAM, each of the 5 processors (or whatever number of processors) move
a block of RAM from the "top" of the screen to the bottom of the
screen at the same time.  In this case, you have speeded up a
"block move" by 5 times.

...

--

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'jimomura@lsuc'
From: mapugh@apgea.army.mil (Mark A. Pugh <mapugh>)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Fatter AGNUS
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:19:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Edgewood

Hello there,

I have a rather simple question (judging by the tech-talk
I've tried to understand here), but here goes:

I just ordered the 1 MEG Agnus for my Amiga 2000 rev 4.3.
When it arrives and I install it, does anything else have 
to be done to activate the 1 MEG chip RAM?  Do I have to
'cut trace paths,' or anything else complicated like that?

Thanks-in-advance ... Mark.

e-mail to:  mapugh@cbda7.apgea.army.mil
From: aa387@yfn.ysu.edu (Corey Norton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 1084 MONITOR V-HOLD ADJUST ??? HELP
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:47:31 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


The problem you have is called Verticle Collapse,it is more 
common in modern t.v. sets,but i have had the same problem with
my 1084S also.Here are a few things one can try, 
one: remove your back cover and check the vert. control "pot" for
a broken leg,or a bad solder connection on a pot leg,if these are 
ok,look underneith the pot,on the board for a bad solder joint in
that area. If your not handy with an soldering iron better take 
it to your dealer

two: if thats not it you probably have a bad filter or condenser
and thats definatly a dealer problem.

I work at a Zenith t.v. dealer and when mine went bad i had to 
call my favorite dealers tech. for some help. The big C= is no
longer helping dealers repair these moniters,the've stoped 
letting dealers order repair parts so if they can fix it,your
in luck. on the other hand they will let you exchange it for a
factory rebuilt one for about $150.00

Anyway i would NOT reccomend that you continue to use it this 
way,eventually you will perminatly burn a white line in your 
picture tube,and that is not repairable,or you'll burn out your
H.O.T.(horizantle output transistor) and cause even more damage
to your monitor. 
Sorry for the bad news,

Dodger
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From: "jay rymal" <jay.rymal@canrem.com>
Subject: opal+rtg
Reply-To: "jay rymal" <jay.rymal@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:17:23 EST


        Somebody please tell me, with the future prospect of getting
DIG/RTG on the Amiga (3000 in my case) will boards such as the
OPALVision be supported, or do you need a graphics co-pro, such as the
EGS/110, Vivid24 etc?

        Anyone?  Anyone....?

        Jay.Rymal
        UofT ComputerShop
        Toronto, ON
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200 clock
Date: 9 Dec 92 10:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <Todd_Major.08xm@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us> Todd_Major@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us (Todd Major) writes:
>
>     I need to know what are the facts on the battery backed up clock on
>the
>A1200.  Does it come with it (not according to the press release I read).

No, it has no clock standard.

>If not, why!!!!!!!!!!!, 

Cost. In this type of devices, every tenth of a cent counts.

>and where would I get one.

There will soon be expansions for RAM and other stuff for the trapdoor
expansion slot that will provide one.

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From: f88tomas@fy.chalmers.se (Tomas Bengtsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Quantum LP120S
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:08:56 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

> You should get approx. 115-116 MB from a 120 drive. 114 may be right, but
> it sounds like you are one meg or two short. Also, Quantum has their own
> definition of MB on some of their drives: 1 MB = 1000000 bytes !

Well, this isn't actually their own definition, it is actually the ISO standard.
The difference using the old 1 024 = 1k gets to large when we nowadays start to
work with Giga, Tera or Exabyte. As an example a "false" TB is 1,10*10^12 bytes,
which is 10 percent off. 

Tomas
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,rec.video
From: "Erik S. Kolar" <ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Problems with composite video -> monitor
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:42:27 -0500

I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Scan Aum-1381a multisync monitor.  The monitor 
accepts both composite video (BNG-type connector) and RGB computer video.  I
the monitor mainly with my Amiga, and recently decided it would be nice to hook
a VCR up to the composite video inputs to get TV reception.  Okay - here's the
problem:  when I hook the cable television coaxial up to the VCR, it displays
TV on the monitor but with a white band approximately 2-3 inches wide that
moves up and down the screen.  If I unhook the coaxial, and play a regular 
videotape, the output is fine.  This worked perfectly on my friend's Commodore
1084S monitor - anyone have a clue why it is not working on mine?  Intuition
tells me it is an interference of some sort.

E-mail replies, please - unless you want to post to the newsgroup.

Thanks in advance,

Erik Kolar
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: HD Floppies on A2500
From: qui@nutmeg.ntu.edu.au (>BYTE< Bandit)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:12:17 +0900
Distribution: world
Organization: Information Technology, Northern Territory University
Keywords: Help Needed

I was wondering if anyone out there has got a High Density Floppy drive for 
their A2000 or A500? I have got an A2500 and i would like to upgrade my Floppy
drive from 880k to 1.44MB. I have seen a lot of adds about the new floppy drives
but i wasn't sure whether they worked well with the amiga. If anyone out there 
has got one could you please fill me in about the HD Drive?

Thanx in Advance,

Quilong Nguyen-Phuoc

qui@nutmeg.ntu.edu.au
From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Floptical, Tape, Syquest, WORM, comments needed.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:30:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The cost per MB for a floptical is $0.80 and the speed is about
equivalent to a 20 MB hard drive (65ms access time).  With a good
chunk of buffers, it is as fast as any HD which is why I choice it
over the syquest.  The media cost for 80mbs is the difference.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Notes
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 05:49:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec09.044440.17073@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
  <1992Dec09.173017.27098@zds-oem.zds.com>
  <1992Dec9.210126.24486@ra.msstate.edu> <71439@cup.portal.com>
  <71463@cup.portal.com>

>Every game I've tried that doesn't break under 2.04 or a >68000
>processor on ANY machine you run it on, will run fine on the 4000 if
>you boot in ECS mode with the caches disabled. I've run Links with no
>problem at all, for instance.

As I mentioned before, this fixes Links and Monkey Island II, but
little else.

Believe it or not, a few things work if you boot from the floppy, but
you can't get it to work otherwise. Examples of this are two
new games, Discovery and Solitaire's Journey.

I'm very surprised by a lot of things that break, and I'm equally
surprised by a lot of things that work.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Notes
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 05:39:56 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 3@bmerh85.bnr.ca><1992Dec09.173017.27098@zds-oem.zds.com><1992Dec9.210126.2
 4486@ra.msstate.edu> <71439@cup.portal.com>
  <92346.163731K3023E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>

>>Marble Madness almost works; except the ball appears on the screen
>>four times.
>
>Great| Marble Madness is still now one of the best coded & perfectly
>playable game ever made on Amiga (and all this system-friendly|||)
>
>Tell me more about the 4-times-ball please. Is it still playable?

Its almost like the sprite they use for the ball is now rendered
in four places instead of just 1 (it forms the outline of a box).

Is it playable? Technically yes, but the broken visuals sort of
kills the appeal for me.


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu (Kenneth Moorman)
Subject: Re: Applied Engineering High Density on WB 2.0
Reply-To: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu (Kenneth Moorman)
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:15:52 GMT

In article <Boinger.07ni@myamy.hacktic.nl> boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:
>In article <csieh.724011502@boise> csieh@boise (Constance Sieh) writes:
>> I recently have a need to install a Applied Engineering High Density
>> DISK drive on a 3000 with wb 2.0 .  The drivers that come with the
>> drive do not work on 2.0.  Does anyone know of drivers that will
>> make this drive work on 2.0.  I have gotten the drive to work in
>> high density mode on a CDTV with 1.3.
>
>I doubt if there are any. AE left the Amiga scene a while ago in a huff
>it seemed. And showed no inclination to produce a 2.0 compatible version
>of the drivers. Your best bet would be to keep it on the CDTV and buy a 
>C= HD drive for your A3000...
>

Actually, there is a driver for the AEHD drive for WB2.0.  
It was written by a person in Georgia and talked about
in an issue of Amazing a few months ago.  If anyone is interested, 
I can dig the name and address out.  I had intended to 
buy the driver (I think it was about $30) but haven't had
the chance to (probably won't until after Christmas :( ).   Hope this 
helps.
				

			- Kenneth Moorman (kennethm@cc.gatech.edu)
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up deal
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:37:31 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> I hear the powerup price of the 4000 '040 version is somthing like $2600

With that price, I guess you get to keep your previous Amiga?

                        _       .    __
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