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From: mccla_d@daffodil.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: E-mail Prayer Chain
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:26:44 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

I am assisting a person who is attempting to start a world-wide prayer chain
via e-mail. He operates from America Online (AOL.COM). He intends to use the
internet bridge to the commercial systems as well as to the hobbyist networks
to create a collection center for incoming e-mail with prayer requests. 
He will collect and redistribute via e-mail to anyone who wishes to be on the
list. He does not plan to require a person to be on the list to submit a 
request, nor does he intend this to include any sort of discussion or requests
for money. Plans are to include Internet, America Online, Compuserve, Fidonet,
and any other Fido-technology nets with persons wishing to participate.

As of today, the mass mailing procedures have been perfected and the mailing 
list has been started. When he is ready, we will announce the address to send
requests to, as well as begin sending out the collected request list to all
who wish to be included.

If you'd like to have your name on the list, please e-mail me with your
prefered address. You can reply to this account or to:
dynasoar01@AOL.COM

The list will be confidential, meaning we will not release your name and/or
address to anyone. Requests will be published without e-mail addresses unless
we are specifically asked to do so.

This is strictly an attempt to make use of existing technology to gather the
world together in prayer. If you have questions or comments, please send them 
e-mail, as I don't frequesnt the newsgroups.

Dennis McClain-Furmanski
mccla_d@cs.odu.edu
dynasoar01@AOL.COM
From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Into the highways and hedges
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:00:33 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <Jul.21.03.58.32.1992.12218@dumas.rutgers.edu> masimo@netcom.com (Michael Maas) writes:

>Moreover, it is important to note the nature of his correction.  For he
>did not say to the woman "go and do not commit adultery" but rather "go
>and sin no more."  This is because Jesus did not think of sin as specific
>acts but rather of acting without love.  

Jesus did also think of sin as specific.  He said, as we see in Matthew 15
verse 19," For out of the heart proceedeth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries,
fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies."

Living without love manifests itself in other sinful actions.
Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments."  John wrote to love God
was to keep His commandments.  Only when we truly love God can we desire to
please Him so much that we are able to keep His commandments.

>  Would it have been possible for her to commit adultery for
>the right reason and to thus have been without sin?  Possibly, but not very
>likely given the society and their mores and morals.  

>Likewise, there are situations where intercourse can occur outside of 
>marriage in a truly loving manner and insofar as it is loving it is without
>sin.

Jesus did not think so.  He said of fornication and adultery and of the
other sins above, "These are things which defile a man...."  These
specific actions come out of an unloving defiled heart.  Sin is not
always defined by our mores and morality (though some lines are drawn
by our consciences) but rather by the revelation of the perfect moral
character of the unchanging God.  

Keeping commandments is very important.  But we must keep them out of 
love and a desire to please God.

Link Hudson.
From: joseph@bse.com (Joseph E. Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: CDROM: The Bible Library
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:48:00 GMT
Reply-To: joseph@bse.com (Joseph E. Richardson)
Organization: Berard Software Engineering, Inc.

In article <Jul.26.23.32.47.1992.6889@dumas.rutgers.edu> isckbk@nuscc.nus.sg writes:

> I have recently heard of a CDROM entitled "The Bible Library"
> with some 7 translations, a few dictionaries, study topics ...
> etc almost 300MB of material (not that I will ever read every
> byte) and selling for ~US$150/-
> 
> Being in a remote part of the world, my questions --
> 
> i)	What s.r.c readers comments are this?  (if you think your
> 	comments are not suitable for the net, please mail me)

I would love to own such a reference.

> ii)	Are there similar products in this price range?

I have not seen anything equivalent.

> iii)	How to order?

If you don't already have a CD ROM reader, I have spotted something
that might be a good deal.  There's a mail-order company named DAK and
in their Early Summer '92 catalog they advertise The Bible Library as
part of a package.  If you buy one of their CD ROM readers ($200-$400),
you can also purchase (for another $150) their CD ROM Bonus Collection
#2 which includes 5 CD ROM Discs, one of which is the Bible Library.
They say it contains 9 versions of the Bible and 20 reference works.
DAK claims that the list price of the Bible Library BY ITSELF is $600.

Credit Card Orders	1-800-325-0800
Techinical Information	1-800-888-9818
Other Inquiries		1-800-888-7808
TDD			1-800-888-6703
FAX			1-818-888-2837

(Do you think I've given out enough numbers for them, now? :-)

I don't know if or how DAK deals with overseas orders

DISCLAIMER #1: I don't work for DAK and I never have and I don't own
any of their stock and I don't get any kickbacks and stuff like that.

DISCLAIMER #2: I haven't purchased or used or touched or even seen in
real life their CD ROM  reader or any of their CD ROMs.  Although I
have purchased a couple of things from DAK before and been reasonably
satisfied.

I have also seen the Bible Library advertised in other catalogs as
a solo CD for $200-$300.

--------Address--------Phone Number-------FAX Number--------Disclaimer-----
Joseph E. Richardson         | Phone: (301) 417-9884 |"He said WHAT???!!!"
Berard Software Eng., Inc.   | FAX:   (301) 417-0021 | - my boss expressing
101 Lake Forest Blvd,Ste 360 | Email: joseph@bse.com |   his agreement with
Gaithersburg, MD 20877-2611  |                       |   anything I say.
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From: ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: my friend is in danger, please pray for her, she believes...
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:49:50 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

My friend is in tremendous danger, she is behaving wrecklessly and
I can't seem to help her.  She believes in God and she definitely
believes in prayer.

Since I e-mail with her all the time, I will be most happy to forward
your intercessory prayers to her account.  

	Please pray for Pat, I can't do it alone.

I'm not as strong a christian as most of you are but I know that when
a group of christians focus on the same prayer- they can do anything.

	Most happy if you send me any notes to "Pat."

		Thanks in advance.
From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Essense/Herodians?
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:59:37 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I have heard of one theory that the Essenes were refered to as Herodians
in the New Testament.  is there any evidence for this?

Link Hudson.
From: joni@apollo.hp.com (Joni Sini)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Dating/fellowship ideas
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:12:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Jul.12.01.59.07.1992.9591@dumas.rutgers.edu>, daphne@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Amy Kruse) writes:
> But now for me new question.   Does any one have any neato couple activities
> to do?  I have a wonderful boyfriend and we are always looking for new and
> exciting ways to grow and share.  We have a Bible study, and we go to church
> and prayer meetings, but we like to get out and about too.  Any suggestions? 

Well, since you mention that you like to 'get out and about too',  how about
hiking, a mountain climb, or canoeing (my favorite!!), kayaking. (are these
things available where you live ?? ) Tandem canoeing is a great 'partnership'
thing. I do whitewater and it requires real respect for the other persons 
'role/task', and good communication.  You really need to work together and its
lots of fun. Of course I usually do this with a group, and thats more fun.
Lakes are OK, but I like moving rivers myself !!  whatever, have fun !

joni
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: How can we comfort the afflicted?
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:53:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Re:  what do we do with the problem of suffering?

After working recently with victims of abuse and people with AIDS, I
found I too really needed to deal with this issue; I suspect I always
will.  A book I have found extremely helpful is "Making Sense Out of
Suffering" by Peter Kreeft.  He doesn't offer pat answers; he makes
you think.  He approaches the problem from a philosophical and
Christian viewpoint.  I heartily recommend it.

--Lauren

-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund
From: ajackson@csr.uvic.ca (Ann  Jackson)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: On judging (a meta comment on the homosexuality discussion)
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:48:55 GMT

In article <Jul.22.01.53.00.1992.10874@dumas.rutgers.edu> our moderator writes:
>Second, there is a traditional distinction that may be helpful.
>Through much of its history, the church took the position that public
>and private sins should be treated differently.  Clearly we do not
>want the church to turn into a secret police force, prying under
>everyone's bed for sins.  Yet if we ignore blatant, public sins, we
>give the impression that we aren't serious about morality.  A couple ...

This sounds sensible. However there's an aspect to the traditional distinction
as traditionally practised that frustrates me. People have the habit of
assuming that public behaviour is "the tip of the iceberg." My husband, for
example, tends to attract the popular assumption that he's an adulterer
because he doesn't avoid or conceal friendships with women. (Nor does he go
out of his way to cultivate them. He just makes friends with people as he
finds them). So when, at coffee-time after the service at church, he says
loudly in front of everyone "Hey Jane, are you free for lunch sometime this week?" to an attractive married woman who works near his office, invariably
people that don't know us well look at me sympathetically, as if I had cancer
or something. This sort of thing happens so frequently that I know I'm not
imagining it. It seems ridiculous to me, but people seem to think, not
"This relationship is so public it isn't likely to be an affair" but rather
"How brazen!" (And really, I'm not writing this message in the throes of denial.)

I do agree that we shouldn't ignore blatant, public sins, but we should also
be careful not to make unwarranted assumptions about what other people are
up to, or about whether they share our understanding of what is sinful or
dangerous behaviour.
From: johndunk@wpi.wpi.edu (John Dunkelberg)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Mixed belief relationships (was Re: Electronic Matchmaker)
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:31:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <62879@cup.portal.com>, Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com writes:
> Women atheists, having a problem finding a non believer?  I am about 
> to launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  

I, for one, am far more interested in the ways in which believers and
non-believers can know and love one another.  I am very interested in
a rather devout Christian, and we have been able to have good discussions
of god and religion without anger and pain.  (Something that alt.atheism
posters could well emulate).  However, she fears our beliefs may cause
problems.

Now, I know there are people who have married outside their religion
and had wonderful and long lives together.  Has anyone had luck or
problems with this?

-- 
|  John S. Dunkelberg Jr.      |"They say that looks don't count for much,
|  johndunk@wpi.wpi.edu        | if so there goes your proof ....
|------------------------------| Is she really going out with him?
|           Joe Jackson :        Is she really going to take him home tonight?
From: pearsodc@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (D)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Mike Warnke update part 2
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:48:43 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

This is getting interesting, folks.

I downloaded the Warnke article from the Washington Universtiy archive  
(wuarchive.wustl.edu) this morning and have browsed through the article.   
My first reaction is to say that it is the best researched, best  
referenced article I've read in my life.  In this face of this article, I  
have no choice but to say Mike Warnke's only reasonable response to this  
controversy is to remove himself from his ministry.

I find it incredible that Word/Dayspring is actually standing behind Mike  
Warnke.  I think it a reasonable question to ask what Word's real motives  
are behind this move.  If the Cornerstone allegations are false and  
libelous, as Mike says that they are, then we're looking at a conspiracy  
engineered by one of the most repected mags in the industry involving no  
less than a hundred people (including members of Mike Warnke's own  
family!), and likely more.  I can't believe that for a second.

To further complicate things, Mike Warnke has released a NEW LIVE ALBUM.
Its title is "Full Speed Ahead", if memory serves, and it couldn't have  
been released more than two weeks ago - right around the time the  
Cornerstone allegations were published, amazingly enough.

I will continue to keep both r.m.c and s.r.c abreast of new developments  
as I find out about them.  PLEASE e-mail any new information (including a  
copy of Mike Warnke and Word, Inc.'s response to the Cornerstone  
allegations, if anybody has that) to pearsodc@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu, so  
I can continue to compile and update.

There is a discussion on accountability and our response as Christians to  
this controversy ongoing on rec.music.christian.  I encourage our brothers  
and sisters in soc.religion.christian to join with any wisdom they might  
have.

Continuing in prayer for Warnke Ministries,

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
From: REXLEX@fnalf.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Reward According to Works
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:17:08 GMT
Organization: Fermilab

In article <Jul.28.03.19.04.1992.25299@dartagnan.rutgers.edu> aj@hoqas2.att.com
(Ahmad M Jrad) writes:
>That sounds a lot like what Islam teaches which is that of those who have
>faith, their rewards will vary according to their deeds. Of course those
>who have no faith will be in the flames of Hell. Is that also what Christians
>believe? and how do they harmonize that with Paul's views?
>

There is a book called "Present Labor & Future Rewards" by Theodore Epp.  It is
published by Back to the Bible, but I don't know how you would get a copy.  It
lays out this doctrine and explains the "crowns" that are specifically named in
the Bible. This is an older book, meaning I have it listed as being published
in 1960 in my dbase of my library.  I just gave all my duplicate books to our
library other wise you could of had mine for the mailing.  Stay in touch and
I'll see what I can scrounge up.  You could also look at Lewis Sperry Chafer's
"Systematic Theology" and probably find it enumerated upon there.

>
>As to the expectation of the end, I can only say that there is
>disagreement among the scholars.  There are certainly some who say
>that Jesus, and following him, much of the early church, expected an
>immediate second coming.  When it didn't happen, there was a crisis.
>They find evidence of it in passages like 1 Thes 4, where some people
>seem to be upset by the fact that some Christians have died.  The
>theory is that they were expecting the second coming soon enough that
>everyone would still be alive.  

Actually careful exegesis will review that the Thessolonians had been told that
the Lord had already come.  (1st Thess) Therefore they were up set thinking
that they had been left behind.  Paul then tells them more of the events as
they are to unfold.  Here is where he mentions that the dead in Christ will
raise before those who are alive in Christ. Therefore, not everyone will see
death.


>......................this is a matter of our perspective on
>life and our values, not a literal expectation that Christ will come
>on a certain date.  I believe the passages in Paul show, not that the
>whole church expected an immediate return and was upset when it
>failed, but a group of people who were the ancient equivalent of
>plenty of groups we've seen who are into "date-setting".--clh]
>
Well as I've said, this isn't actually why I Thes was written.  The false
teachers of that day had told the church in Thess that they had missed the
parousia.  It wasn't a matter of date setting per se.  The earlist teaching
however have been that the church has no signs given as to what must take place
before Christ's return for the Church. For the Church, Christ's return is to be
thought of as imminent.  Israel on the other hand, always asked for and looked
for signs.  Matt 25 and others are signs given to the Jews.  This is in
complete harmony with the OT and Pentecost and the sign gifts of the first
century.  They were an outward sign to non-believing Israel.

Rex
From: wozny@spot.Colorado.EDU (Christopher Wozny)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: ARE THERE ANY CHRISTIAN GIFS OUT THERE?
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:16:17 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) asked:
>>I've been looking for a long time for any Christian computer gifs.
>>Does anyone have any or know where I can get some?

gja6234@trex.oscs.montana.edu responded:

>What's a "christian gif"?  Anything like a "christian bumper-sticker", or pen
>and pencil set, or maybe a "christian tea"?   In all seriousness, I have no
>idea what you're asking.
 
>Shalom
 
Our Moderator (clh) added:

>I'd think they had in mind art-work with a Christian theme, either
>directly such as pictures based on Biblical stories, or things with
>spiritual messages like you see in posters in Christian bookstores.

What needs to be said is that the term "gif" stands for "graphical
image format", or some similar term.  A *.gif file is a binary file
that can be read by a number of different executables, depending on the
machine you have, which translates the file into a picture on screen.  The
image can be black and white or color; it can fill the whole screen or
part of it.  Some gifs have resolutions and color scales that are as good
or better than anything you can see on your TV from a VCR.  Other image
formats include TIFF and the new and popular JPEG.

The usenet newsgroups alt.binaries.pictures.* are for posting gif and 
jpeg files.  FACs are also posted periodically in those groups that will 
tell you alot more about the hows, whys, and wherefores of graphic images.

(I never heard of gifs either until I got a usenet account last Sept.)

C. Wozny
From: baresson@cbnewsi.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: vegetarian lion in Isaiah 11
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:59:21 GMT
Organization: AT&T

With reference to:

The wolf shall live with the lamb,
  the leopard shall lie down with the kid,
THE CALF AND THE LION AND THE FATLING TOGETHER,
  and a little child shall lead them.
The cow and the bear shall graze,
  their young shall lie down together;
  AND THE LION SHALL EAT STRAW LIKE THE OX.
The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp,
  and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder's den.
They will not hurt or destroy
  on all my holy mountain:
for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD
  as the waters cover the sea.

(Isaiah 11:6-9, NRSV)

I have heard the story of "Little Tyke", a vegetarian lioness, who was brought 
up by George Wesbour in Arbour, Washington State. "Little Tyke" is the name of 
his book, published in 1956. George brought up a lioness cub to be
herbivorous, based on his understanding of the above verses. He fed her
on cereal, raw eggs and milk and then grass. By the age of 4 the
lioness weighed 352 pounds and grazed in the field with cows. It had
no killer instinct and used to lie down and play with the lambs.

Barney Resson
"Many shall run to and fro, & knowledge shall increase" (Daniel)
From: cole@maverick ( Cole Keirsey)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Christianity
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:11:52 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <Jul.16.04.18.01.1992.7143@dartagnan.rutgers.edu> our
moderator writes:

[I listed various Christian groups, classified into those that
hold the historical Christian faith, roughly the contents of
the Apostles Creed and Nicene Creed, and other groups.

>The other groups are even further from the concensus.  They each have
>their own special revelation, so they do not claim to be based simply
>on the Bible (or Bible plus church tradition): . . .Christian
>Scientists are based on Mary Baker Eddy's theories. . . 
>--clh]

Let me offer another perspective on Christian Science.  One of the
tenets Mary Baker Eddy set down for Christian Scientists is: "We take the
inspired word of the Bible as our sufficient guide to eternal life."
She also said that Christian Scientists should follow her teachings only
to the extent that those teachings were consistent with what Jesus
taught. Christian Scientists do accept the Trinity and the Incarnation,
although their teachings about them might not be considered
orthodox.

The King James version of the Bible is used in all Christian Science
church services.  Christian Scientists do claim the Bible as the basis
of their faith, although their interpretation of the Bible has some
significant differences from more traditional or conservative 
Christian theologies.  I think that many of those differences arise from
an attempt to reconcile a belief in universal salvation with the
teachings of the Bible.

cck
-- 
______________________________________________________________________
C. C. Keirsey                 | "Verbosity leads to unclear,  
US WEST Advanced Technologies |  inarticulate things." 
Boulder, Colorado             |                       -- Dan Quayle
From: mv0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Meg Alison Veily)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Prophetic Word
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:59:53 GMT

Last Thursday (7/23) God laid a word on my heart, and after a weekend of
praying, and confirmation, I feel that I am to share it with this group.
In a world where things are falling apart all around us, I found this to
be both a comfort, and an exhortation. (please note: he = he or she; I
don't want people thinking this is only to men)

"The Lord says: The time has come to end the divisiveness in My church.
My people must seek unity in the body. Do not say, "He is a catholic" or
"He is a protestant." Nor should you say, "He is over there but I am
over here." Rather, say "He is a Christian, and I am a Christian, so we
are one in Christ." True revival can only come about when My people
dwell in unity-not only in the local body, but across denominations and
locations and cultures. Seek this greater unity with your brothers and
sisters. Then My Spirit will be poured out upon you, and you will
accomplish mighty things for My Kingdom."

In Christ,

-Meg