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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: sniper rifle in 'Navy seals' movie?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:54:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.

In article <9210061723.AA21355@asgaard.rocket.com> deh@rocket.com (Dale E. Higgs) writes:
#
#An old Army buddy I served with about 10 years ago was a Ranger in SEA. 
#He claimed that his team mounted a scope on an M-2 and regularly ruined
#nasties' days out to 1500 meters.  One round at a time.  I have no idea how
#they kept the scope from being battered to smithereens.  Please apply your
#own BS factor.

If you can find the book about Carlos Hathcock ("Marine Sniper"), you can
read about him using an M2HB as a sniper rifle.  I believe that they used
an Unertl scope.  Hathcock was credited with something like 93 confirmed
kills during his career in the USMC.

As for the recoil, the Browning .50 uses an oil-filled shock absorber to
reduce felt recoil.  It's not as bad as you might think (although even
Arnie wouldn't be shooting one off-hand).

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From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: POLYTECH vs NORINCO
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:39:20 GMT


Cliff Anderson writes:
#Could any of you fellow assault weapon experts please reply?

What's an assault weapon? I've heard of assault rifles - selective-fire
shoulder arms firing intermediate-power cartridges. I've also heard of
assault guns - WW2 German AFVs with heavy main armament in a turretless
limited traverse mount. But assault weapons???

Could he mean the meaningless inflammatory pejorative fabricated by the
media to describe sporting firearms of non-politically-correct appearance?


Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
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From: clochmul@nrambr.chem.duke.edu (C. H. Lochmuller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Rifled Muskets
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:21:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: nrambr.9210091450.AA00475

The rifling is not that shallow or that different. I have both original
Enfields and a Euroarms repro. All have the same rifling including my Snider
conversion carbine.

The advice given is correct. Pure LEad bullets NO #2 alloy. The Lyman
Original Minie works fine. The trigger comes as a typical "issue" trigger
but a little TLC on the lock plate etc. makes it work just fine. I don't
recommend loads but I use ca 54 gr of pistol powder as a target load. Lube
if you wish but the ammo used in the Civil War/War of Independence/War of
Northern Aggression was not packed lubed. Just paer cartridge with bare
Minie' and powder. No patching is used. Some recovered balls have a wood plg
in the base.  

Accuracy? A lot better than 8" at 100 yds. One can actually hit a 1000 yd
target. Extreme range yes but in the nra tests the ball passed through an
oak 2x4 edge on at that distance.

Civil war reenactment does involve "blanks". There is no real market for
bloodstained uniforms. Several North-South Assn. groups do shoot real
bullets at targets regularly however. Even use their artillery with real
projectiles. The better Euro copies of the Enfield and SPringfiled are not
just wall hangers.

Charles.
From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: CCW Requirements, Ohio
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:55:59 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct8.150946.7006@icd.ab.com> kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
#Can anybody give me the lowdown on what's required to get a CCW
#in Ohio?

There is no statewide licensing system in Ohio. Some localities may
have their own licenses and may or may not give you one depending on
who you talk to. It may be or may not be illegal to carry in Ohio,
again, depending on who you talk to.
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From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Norinco .45/ADC Pen Pistol
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:19:03 GMT

Quick question(s): Is the Norinco-made 1911A1 an exact copy of the Colt,
so that all parts are interchangeable?  How much are they going for
at the gun shows?  We're thinking about getting one to resell....

Quick comment:  I called ADC about their new pen pistol, and they said
they won't be shipping any until the end of the year.

Rob
From: kknox@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil (Kevin P. Knox)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need tips for gun cleaning..
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:20:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: logdis1.9210130059.AA14852

You recently wrote to rec.guns -

#I  have  a  Ruger GP-100 revolver in stainless steel.  I  follow  the
#instructions  for cleaning, but I can't seem to get it as clean as it
#should  be.  This is especially apparent where the cylinder meets the
#barrel.   I'll summarize my technique below so that more  experienced
#people can offer criticism and suggestions:

...(much deleted)...

#So,  what  would  rec.guns readers suggest that I do  otherwise?   Is
#there  a  tool  I can use to scrub between the cylinder  and  barrel?
#Also, how clean does the gun have to be?

#Thank you in advance for any tips...



Matt,

A  friend of mine has a Ruger Super Redhawk that suffers from the same
problem.    We  tried  everything  and   still  ended  up  with   some
discoloration  around  the exit end of the cylinder.  It  helped  alot
when  we  scrubbed  the area with a bronze brush.   Nothing  we  tried
removed it completely.  Take care.

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From: danbri@danbri.Auto-trol.COM (Dan Brigham)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Reloading advice needed
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:16:05 GMT
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado

In article <m0mdfH6-0000bFC@ncoast.org> you wrote:
: As quoted from <1992Oct8.195845.2690@ee.gatech.edu> by mailrus!gatech!fisher.eedsp.gatech.edu!tucker@uunet.UU.NET (Jeff Tucker):
: 
: # How long does it take to offset the initial costs of reloading 
: # equipment?  I'm talking about minimalist stuff, probably adequate
: # for 100-200 rounds a month, max.  I'm not a real big shooter right
: # now.  (But, if it weren't so expensive I might get that way.)
: 

I know you can go ridiculously expensive and buy the full Dillon press. I believe
that will probably be my next reloading investment, that 650XL sounds fantastic.
The real problem is that unless you do a LOT of shooting it takes a bit of time
to see breakeven with such an expensive rig. 

Getting started does not need to be that expensive and can be very enjoyable
on a smaller press, such as the RCBS Rockchucker or my first press the Junior.
There are a fair amount of these that you can buy used for under $30 used (the 
Junior anyway) they are practically indestructible. They are a good press to sit
down and learn the basics 1 die at a time and learn the individual steps. At lot
of gun shows, you can find used equipment at real bargain prices from either 
people moving up to the bigger presses or people that didn't enjoy it and just
want to get rid of that thing out in the garage. I picked up my Junior, .357 dies,
(carbide) for $25 this way and couldn't get the money out of my wallet fast
enough. Lee makes a press in the $20 range. The only one I would stay away from 
is the Lee-loader (the one that you use a hammer on) just because it is too much
work.

I would definitely get a good scale and powder thrower, I check approx. 10% at
random with the scale, even though I have a good thrower. If I am  loading on the
hot side, I check more.  

When buying dies get the carbide (or equivalent), if possible, to keep from using
the crappy lube stuff. They are usually only a few dollars more than the cheap
dies and are a big improvement.

You can get started for under $100, if you do a bit of shopping. The thing you
give up is it takes longer on a single-stage press than on a multi-stage but for
the beginner it is nice and easier to adjust things because there aren't 50 things
going on at once. Once you learn how to do things then move up to the multi-
stages. It takes only a few boxes of ammo to breakeven and gets you started easy.

It is a great way to pass the time between shooting trips.

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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 12g shotgun defense ammo
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:20:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct13.020757.9958
Organization: Western Washington University

holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe)) writes:

#I am in search for good defense ammo for shotguns.
#The guns are 12 gauge, chambered for 2.75" or 3" shotshells, with a 
#cylinder choke and a 18-25" barrel.
#The requirements are as follows:
#- Operative range < 10 yards (indoors)
#- Penetration is not an issue (walls are very solid here)
#- Optimum shot spread (That could merit another discussion, i think.)
#- High stopping power against two-legged vermin.
#What I'd lke to know is:  What shot size yields good spread over the
#short distance, while preserving enough penetration to stop?  Which

I don't think any shotgun ammo is going to give you any significant
spread over a short distance at all.   

#shot sizes are sufficient for defense purposes?  What do you think
#about 3" vs. 2.75" cartridges?  Any other points to keep in mind with
#defense ammo for shotguns?

Just about any kind of buck shot will be good if you don't care about
wall penetratation.   Shot sizes 00 and #4 are the ones I hear most 
often.   I think you can get up to 15 pellets of .33" 00 or up to 41
pellets of .24" #4.  Big birdshot like .18" BB might have some utility
but if you don't care about walls I can't think of why not to use buck.

In your home, I wonder if there is any advantage from going to 3" from
2.75".   

Jim Del Vecchio
From: toddc@spot.tv.tek.com (Todd Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Remington 870 magazine extenders?
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:01:39 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.  Beaverton, Oregon

In article <1992Oct10.001030.28245@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
#My only concern is for the relatively short magazine (4+1).  I'd like to
#get a magazine extender, preferably from Remington, if they make one, and
#preferably not requiring a gunsmith to install.  Anyone know of such a
#beast?

I purchased a magazine extender at a gun show about four years ago, and
it was easy to install myself.  You basically remove the screwcap that 
keeps the barrel on, use a screwdriver to pop out a spring/stopper thingy,
remove the magazine spring, and put in the spring supplied.  Then you screw
on the extender which looks like a piece of pipe sealed on on end, with a
threaded connector on the other.  (see diagram below)

They supplied two pieces of steel that make a figure-eight, with a screw
in the middle, to slide over the extension and the barrel, and can be 
tightened down to support the muzzle end.  It also has a metal sling loop.

              BEFORE:
                ______________________________
                ______________________________     <-Barrel
                _________||___
                ______________|]        <-Magazine and cap (before)
                  
            
             AFTER:
                ______________________________
                ______________________________     <-Barrel
                _________||___,,_________
                ______________,,_________|      <-Magazine extender/cap (after)
                              
                               

Without the plug, and with the extension, I can put eight shells in the
magazine.  The cost of the kit was about $30.00, and I still see them in
gun shows around Oregon....usually on the tables that have the other 
accessories you need.  (The flashlight forearm, composite pistol grips, etc.)

One additional thing I did, was to actually cut the barrel down so it was
flush with the end of the extender.  This made the barrel about 21 inches
which is legal, but I also didn't have a vent-rib.  Although it is not
parkerized, I do like the over-under look it has.

                                    Later,

                                          Todd

p.s. By the way, in your original post you mentioned a "side-car"...what 
is it?

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From: mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Matt Wette)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Loaded Clips
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:15:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: csi.9210162059.AA04735
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory


In article <12776@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:
|> 
|> In article <9210130106.AA102274@nike.calpoly.edu>, ehorne@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric T Horne) writes:
|> #   I was told by someone that it is LEGAL to carry a UNLOADED weapon in
|> #   California without any type of permit (except for the registration of
|> #   the weapon, probably) so long as you do not have on your person any
|> #   ammunition. Can any of you  legal types cite a PC number or at least
|> #   verify my friends "claim" (personally, I don't think that you can
|> #   do this..). If you are unclear on what I am saying...
|> 
|> It is certainly legal, because 12031 Cal. PC only applies to loaded
|> firearms, and 12025 Cal. PC only applies to concealed weapons.  But...
|> 
|> #   My friend says that it is legal to carry his Ruger P89 with him at any
|> #   time on public property (barring buildings and places which do not allow
|> #   you to carry any type of a weapon, of course) so long as it is unloaded.
|> #   Reason for doing this -- Halloween is coming up... 
|> 
|> I wouldn't advise it.  Especially at night, this will get him stopped
|> and questioned.  Under the wrong circumstances, it might get him
|> killed.  (Like, if he's black or Hispanic, I wouldn't write him life
|> insurance.  I'm not sure I would be keen to write him life insurance
|> if he was white and tried this).

I took a safety class in the LA area.  It was tought by a range
officer from a nearby police dept'.  If I remember correctly, he said
that while it's legal to carry arms in public, you probably don't want
to do it because the authorities could deem you "of not sound mind"
and take away your right to have a gun.  Sounds spooky.

Matt
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From: lriggins@afit.af.mil (L. Maurice Riggins)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: CCW Requirements, Ohio
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:20:55 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

In article <33A71283C0000C3E@UALR.EDU> lklawson@acs.harding.edu writes:
#Well, it's already been pointed out that it's basicaly illeagal to carry
#concealed in Ohio (prove to the jury and all that stuff).  HOWEVER, it is
#leagal to OPEN CARY in Ohio.  In otherword, you can strap your shoot'n iron to
#your hip and go for a quiet little stroll. (If you don't mind paranoid stares
#from everyone and perhaps a cop stopping you just to find out why)  Doesn't
#make much sense does it?

The easy charges for open carry in Ohio is Disturbing the Peace and
Aggravated Menacing.  The latter charge is more serious.  You may beat
the charge but pick up an arrest record if not a conviction record. 
And the minute you get in a car, you're in violation of the Revised Code
sections on Transportation of Firearms and possibly concealed carry.
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From: btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Sources of criminals' guns; was (Re: Lies and statistics)
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:15:51 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation, San Diego

In article <26740@dog.ee.lbl.gov> bercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (John Bercovitz) writes:
#Doug brings to mind a point I've been curious about for a very long
#time: Has anyone studied the sources of criminals' guns?  Percentagewise,
#how many guns in criminal hands are stolen from thee and me, how many
#are bought outright because the DOJ didn't properly check out the
#applicant, how many are bought illegally from private parties, how many 
#are stolen from armories or smuggled across the border? 

Your question has remarkable timing.  In the October 9, 1992 issue
of Gun Week there is a short article on just this subject.  Here
are a few relevant paragraphs:

"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) surveyed 471
carreer criminals in its recently released "Protecting America, Yes"
study and found that only 7% of guns used in violent crimes are
purchased from retail dealers.

"The study found that criminals get 37% of their guns on the street,
34% through criminal acts, 8% from family members and 6% at gun shows
and flea markets.

"Previous Justice Department studies indicated that only one-sixth of
firearms used in crimes are purchased from legitimate retail outlets.
But this latest figure is less than half that."

The article doesn't say how to obtain a copy of the "Protecting
America, Yes" document.  Does anyone here know?  Sounds like
interesting reading.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
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From: ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Spent brass lead hazard... test kit found lead
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:15 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Oct7.043102.10356@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
#
#My guess is that handling fired brass is a significant risk and that
#it is well worth it to find lead free primers, especially if you 
#shoot alot.  Some kind of brass pre-tumbling wash/rinse is probably
#a Very Good Thing.  (But what?)  Handling lead bullets is most likely
#something to wash up well after.  Handling a lot of brass, even clean
#brass, ought to warrant a hand wash too, since naked brass registers
#with a lead content. 

I wash my cases twice. First I wash cases straight from the range
in a solution made of 10 parts water and 1 part Advantage. This
product claims NON TOXIC and KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN in equally
bold letters. Apparently it will get your children so clean you
won't recognize them. What it *does* do is remove powder residue
and dirt remarkably well. After I have lubed, deprimed, and resized
the brass, I wash the cases again. This time I use Gunk SC to remove
any trace of lubricant, I use lanolin. Then I toss them in the tumbler 
for a few days. Now I have nice shiny cases to reload.

Gary
From: tmi@well.sf.ca.us (Peter Kasler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Loaded Clips
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:00:05 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In <9209300801.aa11961@sco1.qdeck.com> burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge) writes:

#In article <1992Sep25.015920.1974@odin.corp.sgi.com> barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes) writes:
##If I have my clip loaded but out of the gun, the gun is still considered
##loaded.
##Right?
##Now what if I have a unloaded clip in the gun and a loaded clip near
##by???????
##Am I still in trouble?????

#In California, you still would be in trouble.  The rule of thumb being
#immediate access to both gun and ammo at the same time.  Granted I have
#broken this thumb on many occaisions.  They are supposed to be separate
#and locked.

	Not true! The law in California is very clear and well-settled
on this point, despite the fact that numerous "experts" and cops don't
know what is legal and what is not.

	PC 12031 says, in plain English: no ammunition can be in or
attached in any manner to the firearm. Period. A loaded magazine (or,
for that matter, ammunition in any form) that is _not_ in or attached to 
the gun can be in the same container as the gun without any violation
of the law.

	Urban myth notwithstanding, if someone is arrested for
violating PC 12031 (having a loaded gun in a public place without a
CCW) because he or she had an empty gun in the same container as one
or more loaded magazines or ammunition in any other form, and no other
facts exist to complicate the matter, dismissal of charges should be
rather routine and not difficult.
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From: valluri@cco.caltech.edu (Siddhartha Valluri)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Citizenship ?
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:01:42 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

This discussion on CItizenship has been most i nteresting.

Can someone shed some light on the procedure for aliens who are not
permanent residents (ie. students etc. who are here on long term
visas like the F-1, but do not possess green cards) to acquire
a gun. Specifically for CA as thats the state I live in .
The preceeding discussion seemed to be centered on permanent
residents.
From: douglas@netcom.com (Douglas Mason)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Solvent Substitutes
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:18:43 GMT
Organization: Approach Software Corp.  Redwood City, CA  94063

In article <1992Oct12.142006.22614@bbxrbk> bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler) writes:

#The brake cleaners are identical to "Gun Scrubber" and it's ilk, and
#are a lot cheaper to boot.  I buy mine at a warehouse outfit (Price
#Club) for something like $1.50/can or so.  It works fine on all my
#firearms, with only a little softening detected on a Marlin Camp
#Carbine when I left a rag soaked in the cleaner on the plastic on the
#receiver.  I'd test plastics in a concealed place before spraying 
#the cleaner with abandon.

Is this really true?  I had some guy in a gun shop (they know everything)
tell me that the Brake Cleaner stuff is really flammable, and the Gun Scrubebr
(scrubber) stuff is not - that's the difference.

I like using Gun Scrubber just because the spray blows away bits that I have
a hard time finding...

-Doug


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