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From: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:04:56 GMT
Reply-To: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands

>>>>> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) (LLC) writes:

LLC> It may not be just you, but it sure isn't me.  I very much enjoyed Andy's
LLC> posting.  I felt he was mocking the concept that God is a Republican,
LLC> which an unfortunate number of Republicans believe.  And he used King
LLC> James-speak to do it.  Nowhere in that post did I see even a hint of an
LLC> attempt to discredit God, his laws, his love, his righteousness, his
LLC> mercy, or any other aspect of his character.  

So did I. I almost fell off my chair from laughing when I read Andy's
posting. I found it a very good and humorous way to reveal how silly the
first posting was. No blasfemy to me. And I consider myself rather
sensitive to blasfemy. He just tried to tell you that although Bush had
some things right, he had other things wrong, which Clinton has right.
Check your bible on "the rights of the poor". It is a shame that Clinton is
not 100% right but he has at least some things right. 

Of course I am a foreigner in this discussion (or should I say "alien"?),
but here in the Netherlands even some orthodox reformed christian
politicians prefered Clinton.
-- 
Piet van Oostrum <piet@cs.ruu.nl>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:36:04 GMT

math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (Dave "Dylan" Meyers) writes:

>In article <nestabro.721626208@nova>, nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes...

>>pops on, say, some Kansas once in a great while, but when I go into a house
>>and see scads of worldly books and music hanging around, and no evidence
>>of Scripture and Sripturally based things, I have to wonder.  Wasn't it

>Have to wonder what? What are Scripturally based things...artifiacts?

Wonder at their commitment.  No, Scripturally based things are not
artifacts.  I'm talking about works which are produced by Christians for
the glorifying of God or edification of the believers.  I'm talking about
going into a house full of Neitschke (SP?), Locke, Hobbes, etc., and see
nothing by Lewis, Spurgeon, Smalley, etc.  What I mean is a total imbalance.
I go into people rooms with posters of rock groups (secular) and such, but
no mention of Jesus on their walls.

One of the most faulty arguments for "secular" things is that, "well, they
talk about _real_ life, and _real_ problems that we can't just _hide_
from."  I got news - Scripture talks about every important problem there is,
and gives the solution for it.  If that ain't real life, nothin' is.

>How do you decide what is worldly? I guess it depends on your
>particular flavor of Christianity.....WHO decides....after all what
>makes a "christian" song a "christian" song?

I don't think it's individual at all.  God told us what is worldly in his
Word.  If millions of people in the world hold something in high esteem,
there's a good  chance it's not of God (since the world doesn't appreciate
the things which are of God).


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Noel Estabrook			|	Your religion is what you
nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     do after the sermon is over.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
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From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<1992Nov4.213122.28302@cbnews.cb.att.com>
	<1992Nov8.144258.1487@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu> <nauman.721404012@hq>
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:29:46

In article <nauman.721404012@hq> nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman) writes:
> Is it Just me, Or did anyone else feel that this is the most offensive
> thing you'd seen posted on R.M.C. in a long time?
Not nearly as offensive as the original post to which Andy was
responding, claiming that Clinton's election was the beginning of
God's wrath on America, perhaps a signal of the end times.  Talk about
blasphemy!  At least Andy was joking.

ObMusicComment:
What is Rich Mullins really doing now, if he's not gonna tour anymore?

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Beaker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Song databases and music publishing on computers
Keywords: song lyrics and music
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:14:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.BxHFt6.J8L
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

richard@metz.une.edu.au (Richard Mackerras) writes:
>Does anyone have:
>B)  The music typeset though some music publishing program for songs
>that are public domain. Postscript files would be fine. What software
>is best for type setting music?
If you are just doing chords over lyrics, use the CHORD program from
ftp.nevada.edu.

>C)  Either of the above for more recent music that is copyright
>with some sort of licence agreement from the copyright owner for the
>use of the music.
I posted a list of stuff that I have in the CHORD fromat earlier. All of
the copyright info that I could dig up is placed on each song. A church
is free to use them as long as they register the stuff properly through
CCLI.

>I'm not asking for much, just the world. I lead the singing at church
>on Sunday mornings and I organise the musicians. I am looking for any 
>computer tools that may make life a little easier. 
I praised God when I found CHORD program (I was just beginning to write one
of my own)


btw Anyone that emailed me for the songs and hasn't heard from me, please
be patient. I have had little time to forward the stuff.

Mike Krupicka
beaker@uiuc.edu
From: marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:49:25
Organization: Nat'l Center for Supercomputing Applications
In-reply-to: amys@TheImprov.ncsa.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:08:10 GMT
From: cs40f003@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: looking for a band called Bei Domini?
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:57:38 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Nov11.054907.25855@samba.oit.unc.edu> Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:
>>
>>I've got a friend who told me about a band called "Bei Domini" (or something
>>like that) which I am still unable to find.  Does anyone know about these
>>guys?  It's thrash in the vein of Seventh Angel and Detritus.
>>
>
>I don't know of that particular band but I do know of a band called Anno
>Domine ... sorry VENI DOMINE on R.E.X. Records...
>
>Phil

Yep, the band is Veni Domine, not Bei Domini.  Although it is possible that
your friend is talking about another group.  I have Veni Domine's Cd
(_Fall Babylon Fall_), and it's not what I'd consider thrash.  The way
I define metal, they would be in the progressive metal categrory.  I like
their Cd even though they don't do the style of metal I normally listen to
which is speed/thrash.  The things I like about their Cd is that it is
very artistic and technical, and they do a lot of time and tempo changes.
All the songs are over five minutes long - the cd only has seven songs on
it, but the whole cd is ~67 minutes long!!! - and for me that is a big 
plus.  Also, I normally hate, hate, HATE it when a  metal band uses key-
bords, but they use keyboards in such a way that the music is enhanced,
not dominated by the boards.  Anyway, they're a good band with a funny
name. (Can anybody out there translate it. I know Domine = Lord. Maybe
the name means 'Our Lord'?)

Later,
Randy
From: nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: HELP on David Meece
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:32:28 GMT
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC

damiens@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Damien Sawyer) writes:

>Hi all. A couple of Days ago, a friend gave me a copy of a David Meece
>tape. I LOVE IT! This is really the first Christian music that I have
>ever seriously gotten into. I am not sure what the album is called yet,
>but I'm going to look for the CD tonight on my way home... Anyway, it is
>the one with the songs

>	Unknown Soldier
>	Falling Down
>	We are the reason
>	Jesus (very hip... :) )
>	Follow You

>and others on it.

>I have two requests. Firstly, could someone tell me the name of the
>album (and if possible the label who published it) and secondly, and
>MORE importantly, does anyone know of any ftp sites, newsgroups or the
>like, which have songs/tabs/crds for his works? I am a guitarist/pianist
> and would like to get my youth group (Antioch) to do some covers. I 
>would like the piano intro to 'Falling Down'. This would save me a HECK
>of a lot of time :). 
>	
Wow! Thats an Old album!  David Meece's song "We are the reason"
was our class song in 1983!  Wish I could remember the album name :)

Dave Nauman


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From: twiggs_te@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: SATAN!
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:24:12 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

say people, have you heard the new DEICIDE album? real cool stuff,
especially that cool track called 'demon-spawn', man, i really dig
the chorus: "drag me through the hell-slime, mama, satan, he....."
of course the rest is censored but--OH, PARDON ME.....THIS *ISN'T*
'ALT.DEVIL.MUSIC'????

seriously, folks (no, calm down, please, stop waving those crosses
and glaring at me with the evil eye) i was just wondering what the
reactions were to the new MINISTRY album, PSALM 69: HOW TO SUCCEED
AND HOW TO SUCK EGGS?

=)

peace,

D.J. X

(I WANNA DIE LIKE JESUS CHRIST...
 I WANNA DIE ON A BED OF SPIKES...
 I WANNA DIE IN THE USA...
 I WANNA DIE ON A SUNNY DAY...
 WITH THE RADIO ON...)

--Jesus & Mary Chain
From: randy@uutopia.dell.com (Randy Price)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:17:39 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer Corporation

In article <1992Nov8.103437.21080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
|> 
|>   This might not be the best group to ask this question, since I'm not
|> speaking specifically about CCM artists, but.... here goes.
|> 
|>   What Christmas albums do people recommend?  I am a big Christmas
|> music nut, and have already begun spinning my discs this year.  I also
|> went out and bought a few new ones, and am considering buying some
|> more.  So I wanted to hear people's recommendations.
|> 
|>   I have Ms. Grant's old Christmas album, and very much like the
|> coherence there is in the tracks on the disc.  With the possible
|> exception of an unfortunate version of "Sleigh Ride", every song on
|> the album is very nice.  I've read the good buzz on her new album
|> which has been posted here, so I am thinking of checking that out.
|> 
|>   I also have Nat King Cole's Christmas album, which I recommend.
|> Emmylou Harris also has released an album, new for this year, I
|> believe.  If you like country and bluegrass, there are some very nice
|> tracks on this album, including "Beautiful Star of Bethlehem" and
|> "Christmas Time's a Coming".  
|> 
|>   Well, there are others which I like, but if anyone else has a
|> passion for Christmas albums, I would love to hear from you.
|> 
|>   Thanks!
|> 
|> 
|> --Raymond Flournoy        
|> ======================================================================
|> flournoy@cs.stanford.edu         "For reasons I cannot explain
|> Computer Science Dept.            There's some part of me wants to see 
|> Stanford University, CA           Graceland"               -- P. Simon

Since you were not specific for CCM---both the Mannheim Steamroller Christmas
records are good.

The Nat King Cole is one of the very best.  As an old vinyl junkie, the lp 
version of it is one of the best recordings as well.

The new Russ Taff comes very highly recommended.  Especially is you like 
smooth crooners (really Russ is smooooth on this and the guitar work is 
phenomenal).

And this may seem odd, but:

the Debbie Boone Christmas album is excellent.  Really comfortable, homey, not
real "spiritual".  The duet with Rosemary Clooney (her mother-in-law) on White
Christmas is worth the price of the record. 

One more --

The Canadian Brass Christman album is exceptional and fun.

Randy
-- 
Randy Price                      randy@uutopia.dell.com
The opinions are my own, not my employers, cognito.
"Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have
removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God"
From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: new industrial!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keywords: industrial
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:43:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Nov10.044328.25170
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <!pm1tlb@rpi.edu> burtp@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:
>i made a trip to the local Christian bookstore yesterday.  it was the
>first time in a while so i found myself short on money and making some
>tough choices.
>
>i had to snag the new 77's;  the cover was just too funny!!!!
>	(good stuff, kindof different for them)
>	(tastes of zeppelin, beach boys, charlie peacock)
>
>expanded my comercial metal collection with Sacred Warior - Obsesion
>	(not as good as Wicked Generation)
>
>had to get the Crucified - pillars of humanity (for pure raw
>		satisfaction)
>	(cross between faith no more, beastie boys and believer)
>
>i listened to a very interesting demo tape by a band i haven't heard
>mentioned by the industrial types on this group:
>
>	Under Midnight - ??????
>
>it sort of sounds like ministry.  didn't have enough time to realy
>listen to it.  hope it is there next time :>
>
>one song that caught my ear, at first listen sounded like NWO!  i'd
>have to listen further to tell if it is a direct rip off.  this thing
>might be good; give it a listen.  i might be rambling; get me out of
>here!!!!!!!!
>
>later,
>phil
>
>
>

I just heard Under Midnight for the first time last weekend.. decent
industrial, faster than Circle of Dust but not as guitar-oriented.. kinda fun!

Phil

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From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Reply-To: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:57:49 GMT

One of my ALL-TIME favorites....

John Denver with the Muppet's Christmas album...

Fozzy Bear & JD's rendition of "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas"

Great!!

Other albums...MWS Christmas Album, Imperials Christmas Album


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From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:51:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxM45I.FCD
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Read the lyrics.  Discuss them with your child in an open, honest way,
asking what *your child* thinks about them.

-- 
Jon Reid    j-reid@uiuc.edu    GEnie: THE.REIDS
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
From: drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:48:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxH0p4.Hvu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <9NOV199212065946@zeus.tamu.edu> tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
>easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes...
>>What exactly is 'industrial' music?
>
[stab at defining industrial deleted]
>
>While on industrial,
>I've got the single-release by Under Midnight. Sounds pretty good.
>Haven't seen or heard the actual album yet.

Which song is the single release?

I bought the CD last Friday and "I Like It!"
Lots of excellent guitar work by Kurt Bachman.
Very heavy, bordering on thrash at times.
I don't listen to any secular bands of this nature, so I don't know how it
compares, but it is probably my pick for Industrial Album of the Year.


>@  (%&    *$@    )*&%&(  # /_/\/\  |    Terry Leifeste, Scholar and Fool    $


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From: c60b-1hy@web-1g.berkeley.edu (Albert Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Petra Concert
Date: 10 Nov 1992 09:34:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-1g.berkeley.edu


Okay, here's the details on the Petra concert.  They are performing in
Stockton, CA on Nov.21, 1992 at the Spanos Center Arena at the University
of the Pacific.  Mike-E and Lisa Bevill will be opening.  There is reserved
seating for the 1st 20 rows which is all sold out.  (I know cuz I tried to
get those tickets but was too late)  General admission tickets are $14 if you
order them through the Celebration Concerts office - 408-369-8222.  The 
concert is at 7pm and the doors open at 6.  Plan to get there early.  I am.

Does anyone know if Petra will be doing any signing before or after the
concert?

A couple of more concert goodies:
-Nov.14 - The Steven Curtis Chapman concert
	  He will be at Berean bookstore in San Jose on Meridian Avenue
	  for signing.  It's around noon
-Nov.15 - Cindy Morgan will be performing in San Mateo at the Solid Rock
	  Cafe at 6:30pm, doors open at 6pm.  Tickets are only $6 in advance
	  and $8 at the door.  Sorry, don't have a phone number.

Albert Wu
UC Berkeley
c60b-1hy@web.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: Chasing (the) kangaroos
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:17:26 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Nov11.182450.23459@news.eng.convex.com> moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.014316.11098@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>Ever notice how there seems to be this continual passing of themes back and
>forth between The Choir and Adam Again? ;-)

And on CTK's 'Look Out (For Your Own)' there is also BGV work by Riki Michelle
and Gene Eugene.

>"when I revel in peace or glory in war, I always wanted a shirt like Mark wore"
I hate it when I try to quote from lyrics I don't have at hand. ;-(
"when I pray for peace or revel in war, I always wanted a shirt like Mark wore"
         
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
            I forgot my reservation, there's no room for doubt
        now i can't find the door / Sam Phillips / Cruel Inventions
From: paiz@Ingres.COM (Hide the beer, the pastor is here!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Where are they now?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:02:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: pony.1992Nov10.200227.16223
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Nov10.165126.22337@eecs.nwu.edu>, phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)             writes...
>In article <15170010@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, darenm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Daren McClearnon) writes:
>|> Almost ten years ago, I really liked a group called "Vector".  They 
>|> had two albums that I know of, "Mannequin Virtue" and "Please Stand 
>|> By".  I have "Please Stand By" on vinyl, but would like to have both 
>|> (preferrably on CD) if they are still available.
>|> 
>|> * Are these guys still around?
> 
>Well, one of the artists that appeared on Mannequin Virtue was named
>Charlie Peacock.......  And wasn't Vince Ebo on one or the other of those
>albums?

Jimmy Abegg, one of the founding members of the band appeared on almost all of
the albums by Charlie Peacock. He also released an album last year. The name of
the album (I think) is Dancing With Angels.

>		William LeFebvre
>		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
>		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
>		Northwestern University
>		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>

erwin
paiz@ingres.com
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From: russn@ssec.wisc.edu (Russ Neumeier)
Subject: Re: Pray For Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION
Followup-To: Re: Pray For Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION 
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:24:54 GMT

I actually got to see these guys in concert last New Year's Eve; they were the
worship leaders for Campus Crusade for Christ's Christmas Conference.  The
confernce for the Mid-west was held in Minneapolis, MN -- where the band comes
from.  Every Christmas Conference closes out with a New Year's Eve party, and
Pray for Rain played a good mix of their songs to help get the party going, but
they were also able to slow it down some so that we could pray in the New Year.
Pray for Rain was MUCH better than the cover band playing at the party in the
next conference hall!

Then, just a couple of months ago I was pleasantly surprised when I walked into
the local Christian book store and found their CD and tape for sale.

Russ
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