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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
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In my previous post, I forgot a footnote: When I mention book, I mean just the
New Testament, for reasons Ruth has since expanded upon. But even at that:
Ruth, the only explicit (as in "can't be explained by translation or historical
context problems") condemnation of homosexual sex is in Romans, which is in
more or less the same place as the condemnation of men wearing long hair like a
woman. How would you vote on that referendum?

    And my LAST word on this for the time being (barring egregious personal
flaming) is the observation of a friend who died of AIDS over the summer, who
was also a very devout RC: his last line of defense, one which he always felt
more powerful than Paul--what he had with his lover was of such beauty and such
power that he could not but believe it divine. (The funeral was RC, but his
lover read Kaddish, and an excerpt from Oedipus at Colonnus.)

               b.c.
From: TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU (Theresa Wild)
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I don't remember exactly what day, but wasn't it in the beginning
of November that Pres. Kennedy was shot?


Theresa
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:52:05 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      A Thousand words? Heck, no!

>> Anne Burton Harwell, you have shown me NYC! I thank you.  Many writers
>> have told me about it, but you *showed* me.  Well done.

OK, let's settle this once and for all.

A quick calculation shows that a word is far less than a millipicture.
Suppose the average size of a gif is 200000. A 1000 word file is of
size 6000 on the outside. A gif is thus MORE than 30 thousand words.
Reflect on the sheer enormity of a gif, Doris.

Doris, one wishes La Harwell well, but she will simply have to type
MUCH MUCH MORE to even start competing with a gif. I mean, abh.in.nyc,
sheesh, that can't be more than even 5000 words! A sixth of a decent gif,
at most!

tushar
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: legislating behavior (was amendment 2 ...)
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:21:00 EST, CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu wrote:
> Greetings,
> G writes: "such as sacking teachers for explaining in sex ed...that
> children who wonder if they are gay are not sick and evil, and if that's the
> choice they end up making..." (more or less, that's what he writes, anyway)
>
> Is it quibbling to ask about the word "choice" in this context?  I have been
> led to believe that "choice" is irrelevant in most instances.

No, and you're correct in my opinion.  However I didn't want to start
yet another debate so I bowed a little to convention.  There are those
who think that guiding a child through 'homosexual panic' is actually
proselytising an otherwise straight kid.  I haven't really made up my
mind what's proper yet in those circumstances; I'm only sure of what's
improper.

G
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From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
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>Anne Burton Harwell, you have shown me NYC! I thank you.  Many writers
>have told me about it, but you *showed* me.  Well done.

I didn't know there were gifs included!

tushar
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
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My very first gleaning! I feel so fulfilled.

Ia zhdal eto vremia i vot eto vremia prishlo: I awaited this time, and , lo,
     this time has come.
   First line of the second verse of a song by the Russian group Kino off of
their 1988 album, Gruppy krovi  (Blood Groups). Song--Spokoinaia noch, A
Peaceful Night.  The lead singer and songwriter, Viktor Tsoi, had the good
taste--from the martyrization standpoint--to die in a car crash in 1990. You
can get posters of him or the group as a whole in just about any Moscow metro
station, and that probably goes spades in St. Pete, his native city.
   This album was in many ways one of the first real landmarks of glasnost.
It includes anti-war songs, calls not to conform (very un-Russian, not to
mention un-Soviet), allusions to "lost paradise", mentions of "unusual smoke
coming from our pipes", and one clarion call, "We Will Act Further"--and
with the untranslatable subtleties of a free-word-order language, emphasis on
the "we".
    I first got into Kino last November (I was in Russia June through May),
and was still in the zeal-of-the-newly-converted phase (still am, to some
extent) when the country fell apart in December. This song is in many ways
an amazingly prescient one, catching my mood then, and the mood of much of the
country, perfectly. It a very slow song, with one electric guitar playing an
absolutely haunting theme--Tsoi's delivery, with the
trademark Petersburg snarl, starts off rather apathetic and then builds into
a restrained angry disgust by the end, at which point the guitar picks up the
theme and soars heartrendingly to the fadeout.

        The roofs of the buildings tremble under the weight of the days
        A heavenly pastor shepherds the clouds
        The city shoots at the night with a small shot of fires
        But the night is stonger, its power is great.

        To those who are going to sleep
        Sweet dreams
        (It's) a peaceful night.

        I awaited this time, and lo this time has come
        Those who were silent have ceased to be silent
        Those who had nothing to hope for now sit in the saddle
        And they can't be caught up to, they already can't be caught up to.
        To those....

        The neighbors are coming, they hear the sound of hooves
        It keeps them from falling asleep, it disturbs their dreams
        Those who had nothing to hope for are setting out on the path
        Of those who are saved, of those who are saved.

        To those who are going to sleep
        Sweet dreams
        (It's) a peaceful night.


                                b.c.  st402747@brownvm
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Subject:      Re: California makes history!

>>Delighted to see Democracy has been restored in your fine country.
>
>I had my reservations about asking Graham what a whole country of
>fairly normal people sees the results.
>
>tushar

Anyone once upon a time here the NPR report where, when asked about his view of
Americans, and Englishman said that he thought American were not so much a
people as a play group?

-K

-Mka
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1992, Rebecca S Altes wrote:

>       park, and if it's the right time of day, you'll probably
>       see my dog and all of the ones i walk.  tell 'em bekka
>       said hi

>ARF ARF<

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:54:33 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      More snappy cracks from the The Times of India

Taken from the Times of India (as I remember them now. All obtained in
the space of two days):


An aging actress seems to confuse the directors:

"She used to be more active in the past, but front stage singing has
 taken a backseat now."


Another one, which sounds like a a complicated medieval game:

"Now he plays the tune and the others follow suit."


In an article about price-slashing wars, the writer achieved a rather
ridiculous effect:

"Now the race is to sell. At any cost."

(Generally "at any cost" means being prepared for higher cost.)


tushar
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Greetings,

The Quayle Quarterly was/is a humor magazine that focused on Dan Quayle's
career.  It reported verbal faux pas (some of which may have been
apocryphal, I suspect), and included various parodic articles, graphics,
and so forth.  If there is a halfway decent bookstore in your vicinity, you
can almost certainly find it among the periodicals--probably misshelved near
The Progressive, National Review, etc., rather than in the more appropriate
spot, next to National Lampoon and Mad.

Marty
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:38:10 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Danger

OK, OK, the list isn't going to fall apart. :)
The next time people feel like arguing like they did this past weekend,
I'll grab a book (maybe the Queen of the Damned or one of George Will's)
and read while the war is going on.  Maybe I'll even sell tickets.

Evelyn
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:43:43 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Speaking of Catholicism

A friend just informed me that he met someone physically
incapable of being Catholic.

That person is allergic to wheat and grapes.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:25:03 EST
From:         "(Rashmi Murthy)" <rashmi@CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU>
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(I should have sent this last night, but ...)




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Have a great year!
Love,
rama
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From:         "(Alec D. Plotkin)" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My final words on the flamewar
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Please don't stop, it is more exciting then most things in life.


alec
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From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Fun for all
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              753-6980" at Nov 10, 92 12:21 am

>
> > There's nothing pragmatic about shipping outdated pig iron computers to
> > third world countries when you could send a high end PC cheaper and
> > have it last longer and be more useful while it does last.
>
> A: Ok, you're on. Do it.
>
> Reminds me of an Abbott and Costello routine, the last two lines of
> which are "I don't care *who* pays for it." and "OK, *you* pay for
> it."  Charity with somebody else's money is so much more fun, isn't
> it?
>
> Steve Karlson
>
> Luff 'em and leave 'em.
>

Steve -
You obviously have some big old bee in your bonnet but ain't got nuthin' to
do with me....

Agnes
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:15:49 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      WHTMINYC update
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I was extremely honored to find out that part of my WHTMINYC had been
posted to ftpspace on ra's words-l area, but it only comprised the first 4
of the seven installments. I have just uploaded the <unexpurgated>
WHTMINYC cycle to the incoming folder, where it awaits Frank's gracious
attentions.

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:31:04 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Enough already
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:37:12 GMT Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 said:
>
>PS.  Could I recommend Belief-L to those who want to contine?

amen ^23

dan
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      I Missed the Fun!

By being set on NOMAIL (good thing I was, account would have been blown
out of the water), and not being able to reset to mail (some link at CFR
is down ...which may also prevent this post from going out :-()
Anyway, just a couple of comments based on Saturdays mail ...and haven't
even LOOKED at Sunday's yet!!!

re Old computers:  Frank hit the nail on the head...those old computers are
all but worthless.  A few years ago my son bought a very large system, about
10 disk drives, CPU, etc for about $50.  Everything worked...except he did
not get any manuals, etc, and could not crack the system or passwords to
do anything with it.  But he got far more than $50 worth of parts!

And Ruth ...Will be anxious to see if she survived Sunday!  BTW, I profess
to be some sort of Christian myself, but rarely, if ever, discuss religion,
or try to influence others to live my style or to have my beliefs.  I am
concerned only with my salvation, not others (that makes me a flawed
Christian) and would rather lead by example, not words.

Don, not at all interested in becoming a part of this flame war, just
observing (and being true to my JM status!).

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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              12 Nov 1992 19:38:14 CST from <samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU>

>>"Liminal" refers to threshhold. The period between clearing the
>>roads and the actual holiday, when no debts are to be contracted
>>or paid, etc, is the "threshhold" of the holiday.
>
>The sentence was something like "the restriction on socially
>disruptive activities reinforces the liminality of the ... festival".
>
>So apparently the festival marks some kind of "boundary". Liminal
>is a bad word to use for just any kind of boundary or "crossing over"
>or "turning point".

  "Liminality" is a technical term from anthropology, according to
  the Random House 2nd.  I looked it up last night and can only give
  the definition from memory:  the transition in a rite of passage
  from the before to the after, when certain ritual suspensions of
  convention take place -- isolating oneself, not wearing clothes,
  etc.  Like the restrictions in the Homowo festival.  I would guess
  the usage here isn't referring directly to any "threshold," but
  to the prohibitions.

  brad
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:00:26 -0500
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Fun for all
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              753-6980" at Nov 10, 92 12:44 am

>
> Kinder, gentler Agnes hoists her "I am maneuvering with difficulty
> flag:
> :> No ideologue you, no ideologue me/The ideologue's that fellow
> :> behind the tree...
>
> > Huh? Whatever are you talking about? I suppose anyone who disagrees
> > with you is an ideologue? I have heard that one before - in the bad
> > old days, from Eastern Europe.
>
> You're trying too hard, Zsa Zsa.

Excuse me?
Steve, Steve, do try to get the basics right.
Last I heard, my name was Agnes.  And thirty seconds ago, you knew
it - as per above. Now you are either REALLY confused or deliberately
obnoxious. Maybe we shall continue when you recover your senses. It's
really getting too late for this nonsense when I have work piled up.

A good night to you all.
Agnes
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:14:57 -0500
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: The Old Computers
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              at Nov 7, 92 6:18 pm

>
> 	Well, besides FWP's post, which was dead-on, I'll just
> add one last comment as to why these fine speciments of 20-year
> -old technology weren't visited upon poor, unsuspecting Third
> World countries -- none of it worked!
>
> 	Honest to Ghopod, Agnes, if *anybody* can find a use for
> old hardware, it's the BCS -- that's all they do.  And if they can't
> use it, lots of time they send it to the Computer Museum.  If they
> don't want it, it's landfill fodder.  At least this way they were able
> to raise a nice sum of money, and use that to fund computer-literacy
> activities for the Third World at home.
>
> Rita
> Typing on her 1984-vintage VT52-emulator.
>
Sounds good to me. I guess I'm exposed to some computer junkies who
always have to have the latest and greatest (can't really afford it,
but they still try) and often enough perfectly good, if a little
dated, stuff gets discarded....(no one buys the old stuff, so often
they don't even bother to try to sell it... and technology must progress..
Good for the BCS.
'Nuff said.
Agnes
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cut it out/ question
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As far as Cyrillic word-processing goes:

        for WP5.1, the best if possible, you need VGA to see the characters on
        the screen.

        if someone has Nota Bene in Russian, please let me know the details,
        especially cost, requirements (CGA okay?), and piratability.

        I use ChiWriter, which in at least my old version comes with a
        font designer (I've made up my own italic). However, the system is
        primitive, but it _probably_ has been updated.

                 b.c.    dobroe utro (and Frank, why do you British translit.
                           instead of LC?)
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject: Re: Adventures in Democracy

: Does anyone know how well Marrou and the Libertarians did?

Evidently not well enough.  Detailed totals often come out in the
Thursday editions of many newspapers.

Steve Karlson
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In a previous article, TANAKA%JPNSUT20.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Akio Tanaka) says:

>I must apologize for typos in Gleanings (67).
>
>I have my own keyboard layouts on WordPerfect.  One of them is
><ctrl> + <k>, which carries the cursor to the left edge.  When
>I was editing and putting the numbers in front of the items of
>Gleanings, I seem to have pressed <k> before pressing <ctrl>.
>Please drop <k> where you think necessary.  Thank you.
>
Don't worry, we did.:-)  You ought to see what this crazy editor pulls on
me sometimes....  It gets edited off before the posts go out, but some of the
stuff this line noise-reading machine pulls......  

>Monday was a busy day.  I had to read 352 KB of mail (which was
>unusual for Monday), and then Marilyn with her husband came to
>my office.  Marilyn sent some e-mails and we went out for a drink
>in the evening.  We talked about the members of WORDS-L
>mercilessly.  Steve (Marilyn's husband) gave me a lecture on
>Multi-media, which I don't know anything about.

I get a professional journal on audio-video techniques, and a lot of AVideo's
articles concern multi-media.  As a sound techie, they send it to me for
free.  The last copy got round-filed, but I might just be able to send a
subcription your way, or at least the information when the next copy shows
up.  If you're curious, that is.

>So, it was after I came back home that I was able to read mail,
>edit Gleanings, and send it to the list.  That's why I was late
>in sending messy Gleanings.
>
>Please accept my apology.
>
Apology taken, but not necessary.  300+ K of mail messes anyone up.:-)

-- 
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: Thanks to Rita -abh pltkn and America
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>I'm saving some malaise for you, Gilbert.  Special deals for all
>subscribers to Words-L, even Democrats.

     So what do you call what we're having these days, Steve?
     Bonhomie?  Joie de vivre?

     "Malaise" sounds like a pretty good description of the national
     hangover from the 12-year party that Ron and George threw for
     their buddies.

     Carol
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: To Neal and To Brownies
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>Neal, my man, I _am_ impressed! You subscribe to WORDS, and the Berlin Wall
>crumbles! What did you subscribe to in August 1991? (Just curious)

	Ummmm, would you believe PIRATES-L@three.rivers.stadium ?

	Odd that I received this message, which hints that one of my two
	postings from our local boards made it to the list, but never received
	copies of either of my postings.

	So Blommie, how was lunch with Mama Primate?  Enjoy the salad?  And did
	you tell her the (not really difficult) secret of your name?

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