From: shoop@horton.farsef.com (Dan Shoop)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: 10-27-91 (Analog) Tape Tree Update
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:49:46 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: FARSEF -- The Far Side Expeditionary Force


Gruntings!

Well, the tree membership requests keep rolling in, and the response has been
good. 

Who's Who:
----------

As of *MONDAY MIDNIGHT* 9-November-1992 00:00:00 EST the following folks have
submitted their request (check for your name):

"Nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile..." <WIGGS@stsci.edu>
bowman@reed.edu
"Adam K. Powers" <akp1@midway.uchicago.edu>
dab@donner.cc.bellcore.com (dave ballard)
Eric Penzer <epenzer@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu>
eds@po.CWRU.Edu (Ethan D. Siegel)
EDOHERTY@macalstr.edu
kenneth malmberg <kmalmber@ub.d.umn.edu>
Astrid Rapp <akr@SEI.CMU.EDU>
David Bader <dbader@eng.umd.edu>
"Thomas Leone" <thomas_leone@macact.umeres.maine.edu>
lenniec@ft-b.isc-br.com (Lennie Carlberg)
"BOB FIELD" <FIELDB@sima.san.mrms.navy.mil>
mjwagner@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Mike Wagner)
tszaro@mendel.berkeley.edu ( tim szaro )
Benjamin Gertner <gertben@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
"Doug Peckler" <Doug.Peckler@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
gt1054a@prism.gatech.edu (JOHNSTON,JERRY WAYNE)
pixton@easy.cs.utah.edu (Jim Pixton)
John Henrikson <CASHJOHN@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Ray Beebe <IYWR500@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU>
Olli Pihlajamaa <ojp@tik.vtt.fi>
philzone%wharf@canal.org (Eric cobb)
Ray Gates <gates@cscsparc.larc.nasa.gov>
"brett s. morris" <BSMORRIS@ucs.indiana.edu>
face@world.std.com (Scott Shurr)
tom@roadrunner.pictel.com (Tom Morrison)
Gary Shank <P30GDS1%NIU.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
bperry@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (bperry)
mboucher@cortex.prospect.com
BRIAN SHAPLEIGH <shapleig@LAN-EMAIL.peocu.navy.mil>
Beth Livingston <SASFXL@VM.SAS.COM>
caherty@wizard.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Caherty)
boaz@ibeam.intel.com (Boaz Kochman)
pianosi@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gary J. Pianosi)
akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu (Allan Keeton)
chapanna@hamlet.uncg.edu (Pigpen)
Duane.Day@Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu (Ray Shea)
brians@pogo.wv.tek.com
<dudasj@rpi.edu>
Pat Murphy <patm@hpfcso.fc.hp.com>
Michael Bourgoin <manutius!ozhost!mab@uunet.UU.NET>
bludev@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Chris Forinash)
GWAN@Ruby.VCU.EDU
tjmesler@vnet.ibm.com
"Dan Benson" <dbenson@us.oracle.com>
GEOFF@alans.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Geoff Wells)
Darin Goble <darin@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>
CLANCY@SALK-SC2.SDSC.EDU
Bob Yazz <yazz@oolong.la.locus.com>
ibmsupt!ibmpa!jannette.aix.kingston.ibm.com!jannette@uunet.UU.NET (Jannette Pazer)
Geoffrey Bradshaw <RFEATHER@macc.wisc.edu>
pmc@world.std.com (Patrick M Chase)
kcaputa@sirius.UVic.CA (Kris  Caputa)
Glenn Russell <russellg@tramp.Colorado.EDU>
waltman.henr801c@xerox.com
Doron Meyer <dem@cs.Princeton.EDU>
Tom Banjo  <mjh39177@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Carol Osterbrock <carolo@cse.ucsc.edu>
William.A.Fekrat.1@nd.edu
david hollister <AXLAH@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>
Edward John Burns <burns@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu>
uajg@sunyit.edu (Andrew Germaine)
RAR6811@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
mps1@cornell.edu (Mark Sedran)
gora@iastate.edu
lewis4@husc.harvard.edu
mikesw@microsoft.COM
"Charles Fee" <CXF111@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
frito!tim@uunet.UU.NET (Tim McKeown)
6500jeb%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu (John Bushnell)

If your name's not here, *AND* you sent your request *BEFORE SUNDAY*, please
send your request to me again (I haven't gotten it). I'll post the list of 
who's on the tree again before it closes.

New Tape Tree-ers:
------------------

It seems that tape tree as new to many of you and you're not sure how it
works. Read the FAQ for further details. Basically, a tape tree is a method
for distributing a tape or set of tapes. People sign up, get a copy of the 
tape from a "parent" on the tree, make copies for a couple of people, who do
the same. Poeple who can't make tapes get put at the bottom of the tree, and
people with the better equipment get placed at the top (this assures that the
best possible tapes are distributed). Once the tree is together and you know
who you'll be getting your tapes from, you should contact them, and arrange
to either send blank tapes, or trade tapes with them. Tape trees are a great
way to get a good show, and by trading with your "children", a great way to
expand your tape collection.

"Bootlegs"
----------

Many of you have asked about the legality of this.

A word about "bootlegs". Tapes of Greatful Dead shows, such as these, 
*are not* "bootlegs". Bootlegs are bad things - a tape that you don't have
permission to have made. They are illegal. Tapes such as those you see posted
in trees such as this one are made with the band's permission. Most all Dead
shows have a tapers section where people can set up their equipment and tape
the show. This is not "bootlegging". Tapes can not be "sold" for profit, but
renumeration can be asked for (e.g. cost of tapes). Everyone benefits from
such an open taping policy. Fans get music, the band gets exposure (though
I don't think the Dead *needs* exposure!). Encourage more bands to allow
taping at concerts. 

Some words about this tree:
---------------------------

Some of you seem to have trouble reading the instructions. Specifically,
please note the address to send your requests for membership on this tree.
*DO NOT* reply to this post. If you're reading Dead-Flames it will get sent
to the list and rec.music.gdead and won't do you any good. *DO NOT* send your
requests to ME or Tom, send them the address listed below. 

Also, *please* use the form below. I gotta parse all this stuff. 

Many of those signed up for the tree can't make tapes, or have equipment that
really isn't suited for distributing tapes (low quality dubbing decks). We
can use some more kind souls who are willing to dub tapes and have good
equipment. 

An Observation:
---------------

Once upon a time there were many tape traders with good quality equipment. 
I'm talking about serious audiophiles who really cared about the qualities of
the tapes they produced. It seems that many of us in this league have started
using DAT which means that the serious folks now trade DATs and theres fewer
high-end cassettee tapers these days. 

If everyone who can, can agree to use metal particle (Type IV) tapes, we can 
really improve the qualtities of the tapes in this tree. I'm going to request
that all first level branch leaders use metal tape. Complete instructions with
recording levels, breaks, et cetera will follow.


Below is a repost of the tree announcement, form, and address to send your
requests. There's about a week left to sign up. 

-dhan


This is the *second* announcement for the 10-27-91 Tape Tree (Analog).
A DAT version is being run on DAT-Heads.

The Scoop:
==========

Tom Burnett is running a DAT tree for this 10-27-91 Oakland Show; here's how he
describes it: (I couldn't say it better)

> In an effort to repay some small portion of the stuff I have gotten from
> various net people, tape trees and the like, I am offering a (DAT only) tape
> tree of 10/27/91, Oakland Coliseum. This is the first show after Bill Graham's
> death and was outstanding. It has many highlights including "Mona" and "Iko,
> Iko" with Carlos Santana and Gary Duncan. I have not seen this tape on any
> tape lists from people on Usenet to this point, so I don't think it is well
> distributed.

This *analog* branch will be made from a high quality digital soundboard DAT
(at 44.1KHz if you must know - guess those sbd folks are thinking possible
n-From the Vault?)

The Caveat:
===========
As Tom puts it:

> The only fly in the ointment is the encore, "Knockin' On Heaven's Door", is
> missing. I am trying to locate it, but don't yet know if it is possible.

So if anyone has a *DAT* copy of the encore, if they could get it to Tom or
I (within the next week) we can include it on the tapes, if not...

The Set List:
=============
Set 1
  Sugar Magnolia
  Sugaree
  Walkin' Blues
  Althea
  When I Paint My Masterpiece
  Candyman
  Cassidy
  Touch of Grey
Set 2
  China Cat Sunflower
  I Know You Rider
  Samson and Delilah
  Ship of Fools
  Iko Iko
  Mona
  Drums
  Space
  The Wheel
  I Need A Miracle
  Wharf Rat
  Good Lovin'
Encore [Missing!]
  Knockin' On Heaven's Door

I don't have the DATs yet, so I can't tell you where the breaks are yet, nor
can I tell you what length tapes this tree will require. This information will
follow in a posting REAL SOON NOW. Just to let you know, the DATs are 1 90min
and 1 120min, so we're talking around three hours of music here, more or
(actually) less.

Tom and I would both like the extend our thanks, and those on the net, to
Rob Fish [Thanks Rob!] who made these tapes possible.

What To Do:
===========

First, do not send me requests to be put on the DAT part of this tree. See the
announcement on DAT-Heads for this or write Tom at:

           tlburne@ptsfa.PacBell.COM or uunet!pacbell!pbdbss!tlburne

This is an *analog* tree. Dolby B, Dolby C, dbx, and NONE noise reduction
will be available. Specify below which you want.

In the "# Copies:" field, let me know how many copies you're willing to
make. In order to maintain the high quality of these tapes, those with the
better equipment will be placed higher on the tree. Don't give me model 
numbers when describing your equipment, I don't know that the Jibibpy C-1024
has woozle features; instead tell me it's a three head deck with automatic
bias adjustment and Dolby B & C and HX-Pro. 

To be placed on the 10-27-91 Oakland *Analog* Tree, clip out the following,
and return it to:

           10-27-91@tapes.farsef.com

*BEFORE* Wednesday 18 November 1992. The tree will close on that day.

*Do Not _REPLY_ to this message!*

For the hearing impaired I have hired a translator for this last part:

*** D O   N O T   _ / R E P L Y / _   T O   T H I S   M E S S A G E ! ! ! * * *

Note the above address to send requests to be placed on the tree. I will not
be looking at this maildrop often. If you have questions, send them to me
directly, my address is listed below. 

=======================================================================

                      Name: 
             Email address: 
            Street Address: 
          City, State, Zip: 
                Home Phone: 
             Daytime Phone: 
                  # Copies: 
Noise Reduction Preference:
   Describe your equipment: 

=======================================================================

Once the tree is together, then we can start worrying about trade vs blanks,
et cetera. If you sign up for this tree, you are automatically agreeing to
take blanks if that's all you can negotiate with your neighbor(s) on the tree.
I don't have time to sort a tree based on trades vs blanks.

I'll be reposting this tree again soon so no one misses it. I'll post further
details, tape lengths, et al, once I have them.

"...listen to the music play..."

-dhan



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