From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, blah, blah, blah
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.230330.7111@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.200250.27767@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
>writes:
>>...
>>  Same way with people who sign their real names.  People just
>>  can't help but take them more seriously.  It's all a matter
>>  of accountability, really.  If I were a new parent, I'd want
>>  to read viewpoints from other new parents and take it more
>>  seriously than viewpoints from someone who is talking "theoretically."
>>  My sister (no kids) tried to lecture me on some "theory" of
>>  getting your toddler to obey you and both me and my mom laughed
>>  her out of the room.  Ha!  She takes a pediatrics class and thinks
>>  she can get toddlers to obey.  Ha ha ha.
>>...
>
>This, of course, ignores the obvious.
>
>Namely, I have the utmost respect for many Japanese and Western parents,
>who are parents for the 1st time.  They _do_ consult scientific and
>how-to books on child-rearing in the hope of rearing children in the
>healthiest way possible.  They _are_ concerned about the modern
>ways of expressing love and concern for children's well being.

  You are so stupid.  For your information my sister who took
  the class at Harvard was advocating corporal punishment.  How's that
  for modern.  I think her pediatrics book was definitely written
  by a Western expert.

  She was criticizing me for asking my son, "Tony, do you want
  to sit in your highchair?"  And my son said, "No."  So I said,
  "Okay, then you'll have to sit quietly on my lap."  She wanted me to
  yell at him and force him to sit in the highchair and spank
  him if he refuses.  For your information I do not believe in
  spanking and have never spanked my son, period.  I negotiate
  and ask him to do something.  My sister, product of Western
  U.S. Army military, said that I have to give orders and then
  give punishment.  To this, both my mother and I laughed at her.

  Get your facts straight before spouting off on stuff you
  know nothing about.
>
>Even if one thinks that the consulted books, like those written
>by Dr. Spock, are crock, the people, like many Japanese and Western
>parents, who consult these books have the best intentions in mind.
>They are good and decent people.

  Dr. Spock is not the kindest and gentlest.  He has a chapter
  on spanking.
>
>This, of course, is in stark contrast to many Chinese-cu parents.
>They consult their own bigotry, ignorance, and cruelty to raise
>some of their children.  They think that books written by well-intentioned
>folks like Dr. Spock are a bunch of liars and all-together know-nothing
>Westerners.
>
>But the truth is that Western (and Japanese) parents know far
>more than their Chinese-cu counterparts.
>

  My mother has a degree in psychology and has read Dr. Spock as
  well as numerous other books written by experts.  How many books
  have you read?  Have you read Penelope Leach, Brazelton, 
  "What to Expect Your First Year"?  If you have, then we'll
  talk.  Otherwise, whatever comes out of your mouth about
  child-rearing is pure drivel.
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