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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:38:57 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: The D-words
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> "Boring" is not an appropriate description in connection with the
> D-word.  As Nike says, just do it.

I agree.  Probably nobody will ever read it again anyway, including you.
In my life filled with bad ideas and bad moves, my one wise idea and wise
move was considering my dissertation a means to an end, of no great value in
itself.  My attitude was to get the thing written and accepted as quickly
as possible, with no worries about anything approaching "perfection."
It worked.  I've never looked at it again, and I'm confident that nobody
else has either, except perhaps grad students at UT who go to the library
to look at dissertations for ideas on topics, acknowledgement pages, etc.
Some of my more perfectionist friends made the mistake of getting really
interested in their dissertations and of wanted them to be "GOOD."  Some
of them ended up facing major hassles with permissions for extending
dissertation time periods; others postponed the date of finishing the
degree so long that they are way behind in the ladder-climbing now; a
few never finished at all.  That last option has always struck me as the
strangest of all.  Why would anybody endure the horrors of things like
prelims and never finish the degree?  The world is full of different
attitudes, I guess.  Are these attitudes, therefore, "embedded in the
world"?  :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: To Architect
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 08:43:57 GMT
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(I'm back.  Only 900 more to read...)

Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik wrote:
> Just so I can fulfill the official purpose of the list, I'll post some of
> my pet peeves in current usage:
> 5) "Architect" as a verb.  Enough said. (Shudder.)

Carol Carmick wrote:
> What irritates me about "to architect" is the fact that it was
> obviously coined by oily marketing types as a yuppie replacement
> for "to design."  I sense blueprints unrolled in the light of a
> matte black tensor lamp, an artfully ruffled $80 haircut, and the
> unmistakable scent of steer manure.  Yuck.

Uh-oh.  There goes my job.

Architecting and designing are quite different tasks in the development
of computers.  Computer architecture is (roughly) the determination and
organization of the functional blocks of a computer (adders, memory and
input/output devices, for instance).  Computer design is the creation of
these functional blocks from "logic gates" or transistors.  There is
generally a third task, layout, which is the assignment of the parts and
connections of the design to physical locations on chips or boards.

If all three tasks are being performed we might say that Bill is
architecting the floating point chip, Sue is designing the adder
and Chris is laying out the register bank.

All three are separate professions.  Engineers rarely perform more than
one of these tasks due to the different specialized knowledge and
experience necessary to do a good job for each of them.

Using "to design" for all three would be quite confusing.

--karsten, computer architect (with a bad $9 haircut)

"Will corrupt languages for money!"
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:50:00 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Quote

There is a truth above knowledge.
                - Father (to Vincent)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:53:30 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      KA9Q? (was Re: The D-words)
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> Nope, I'm impersonating my own site with a DOS box running KA9Q (Natalie
>- hint - consider it instead of NCSA telnet - as well as letting you
>call out *multiple* telnet & fftp sessions, it lets people call *in*
>to you with ftp and telnet!  (telnet users get a BBS and can chat or send
 mail))

I've never heard of it but am interested.  Btw, I'm not sure whether I'm
using NCSA telnet or CUTCP(?).  It *says* NCSA all over it, but two people
from our Computing Center yesterday said that our department's lab software
is CUTCP rather than NCSA (even though it says NCSA all over it).  It's
the same software I have at home -- copied legally since it's freeware.
I find this confusing, to say the least.  If it's not NCSA, why does it
say it's NCSA?  These Computing Center people, however, certainly know
more than I do about it.  I don't trust them quite as much as I trust
Frank, but they're up there pretty high on my list of Impressive People.

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

P.S.  My neighbor may bring me a different computer to play with this
weekend.  We still haven't talked about money, though.  Maybe we should
before I start playing and decide I like the new toy...
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:37:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Ken!
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>
>	Yer back!
>
>Czarina

Yeah, but where've _you_ been?!  I got back Sunday!  Hey, you were out
there in Denver eating slabs of prime rib on EFF's travel money while
guys drank champagne out of your shoe :-).  More to the point:

1.  Why is the damned Internet so effing slow today??  You sent this
message yesterday afternoon.

2.  What am I doing up at this hour (about 2:41 EDT)?  Having one of
my periodic insomnia thingies, I guess, and trying to relax an enjoy
it.  I should be in great shape by this afternoon....

Ken <who may just make a pot of coffee and give up>
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:59:50 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Geekefaction
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> Riding out an entropy storm
in pique?
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:23:28 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Cages...
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On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 04:35:05 GMT, "Jim Thomas" <jthomas@WELL.SF.CA.US> wrote:
> Jim (civilization as we know it must be coming to an end if I even
>      partially agree with graham on something) Thomas

Oh, I'm sure Jim & I have <a lot> more in common that most people think...

G
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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*** Resending note of 08/20/92 14:07

>And I just *love* it when the subject of geek/nerd comes up (and it
>comes up periodically) and everyone claims to be one.  Buncha wannabees.

>rashmi

rashmi...please!!   It has taken me many years to reach the pinnacle of
geekness/nerdness to which I have obtained.   I began many years ago,
before computers even....I love twinkies and coke....I wore pocket
protectors and many pens...I was a whiz with a slide rule...I was a
complete social disaster!....so please, do not deprive me of one of
the few great accomplishments of my life!
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:48:48 EDT
From:         Elaine M Brennan <ELAINE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: I heard the news . . .
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>Anyway,
>yesterday in a quieter period someone mentioned he had recently heard
>a song from _A Hard Day's Night_. Jake, the programmer, asked,
>What's A Hard Day's Night? To howls of laughter he was
>informed that it was a movie starring the Beatles. He said he
>*had* heard of them. I didn't think is was so funny to be
>explaining the music of my youth.

I had a similar experience a couple of weeks ago -- Simon & Garfunkel
on the CD player, and a student worker suddenly asking "what's this?".
He hadn't heard of Simon & Garfunkel before ... but, then, he hadn't
actually heard any Beatles before he came to work here either.

Elaine
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:41:53 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Not being taken for an American
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> > I think this is all very interesting.  I have found myself recently,
> > particularly in French-speaking Canada, making sure that the people
> > I was talking to knew I am American.
>
> Why?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I don't know; that's why I thought it was interesting. I guess I'm
tired of being mistaken for something I'm not on a lot of levels, and
this is one I can control.

Karen
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:12:00 EST
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Subject:      Fame

>--ggs (thinking that finally, after 256 messages today, someone,
>*someone* has mentioned his name....)

I don't know about the living, but I've thought that the
definition of a famous dead person is one whose name somebody
somewhere in the world mentions every day.

-Mka
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:14:50 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ADBAM and baby update
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              14 Aug 1992 01:03:10 MED from <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:03:10 MED Graham Toal said:
>Excuse me.  If we've decided it's improper to discuss
>young girls' <Tetons>, I think it's equally improper to
>discuss young Diffily's <Sinclair>...
>
  Indeed!   Especially when we are discussing cutting it.   8-)

(NO, I don't care much one way or another re this issue...despite the
weird mail i continue to get from the anti-circumcision folks)

And NO I don't think that's what made me weird.....

dan
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:55:07 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Sloooooow
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>Anybody else having trubs with speed?

The net is, to put it in technical terms, majorly whacked today. I dunno why.

-abh
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:43:09 -0500
From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Doors
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On Fri, 14 Aug 1992, Karen Kay wrote:

> Well, I think it's clear that The Doors were not feminists.

Yeah, but you might be surprised at some of the things Morrison was into.
I mean, he was handfasted to a Celtic high priestess and most likely would
have been initiated into the Craft himself if he hadn't taken that fateful
bath in Paris.  And although it's possible to be a sexist pig and be in
the Craft, it's damned difficult.

Can't really offer much of an opinion on the other guys.

> But I don't really care.  I like their music.  I wonder if
> it has to do w/ the age of the women you asked before.

I'm 25; other women Doors fans I know are between 40 & 46, but got turned
on to them in their teens or early twenties (in other words, in their
heyday).  Don't know if the age thing is relevant or not...

One thing I like about them are their lyrics; even the silly poppy songs
have intriguing lyrics most of the time.

> Karen

--Susan
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:27:10 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cellular Phones
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Thanks for further details, Tony!  I think the combined answers of you
and Anne BWP will satisfy my friends.  Actually, I think I'm the one who
raised the question at lunch yesterday anyway.

Btw, my failure to catch your pun on "prescriptive" yesterday was called
to my attention by another list member later.  Along with fading eyesight
I have crumbling brain cells.  And to think I'm an organ donor.  What a
cruelty joke.  I have no organs that anybody would want.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:14:59 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Heeeeeeere's JOHNNY!!!
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On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:13:00 MST, "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
 <WILLIAMS@MC.BITNET> wrote:
> Hi, guys!  I'm back!  Did I miss anything?  8-)  (What do you mean, "Oh,
> were you gone?" 8-`  )  Yea, I was so damn gone I was out of the county and

Talking of being gone, it just occurred to me today that Ken has gone...
what happened to him? (Actually, it occured to me yesterday, but I'm not
going to say when...)

G
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:16:34 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Restaurant Scene
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>> The rule is loosly:  One thing at a time.  In the restaurant, I would
>
>Things are sometimes that way here, too, Steph. The shop behaviour (1


I dunno, the one-thing-at-a-time rule sounds pretty fascistic to me, just
another example of the unearned european superiority complex regarding
Americans.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:49:34 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Music Junkie
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> I feel better.  I am *good* at making lists of things to do and setting up
> work schedules...I just always seem to lose the lists, and as to work
> schedules, well....

I don't lose the lists -- I keep revising them.  I love revising work lists.

> ndh (whose work schedule for today indicates that she should already be up
> at school working instead of here reading mail)

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who did manage to move her body from home to office but had to log
     on again to send message to Computing Center... and while online, just
     had to check for emergency mail... and while checking, just had to read
     a few more pieces of mail...
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:03:40 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: On Gender and Such
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> in the language") got Michael ka's hackles up, and he and Carol began
> to have it out, with added commentary from Natalie and Bayla.

I like your summary, but I think that "hackles" and "have it out" may
be a bit strong to describe the recent discussion.  One thing I've
especially enjoyed about it has been its friendliness.  Our recent
member from Uranus is one of my favorite arguers.  He presents interesting
ideas and insights (even though I disagree with him on most of them) and
clear (although wrong :-)) explanations, all in a pleasant, sometimes
humorous tone.

> awkward than simply using he/man.  Most of the alternatives
> suggested (and in some circles mandated) to date have been
> more awkward, and so there is little chance that the great
> unwashed masses of speakers of English will adopt them as
> easily as they did the more elegant "Ms."  Of course the
> great unwashed masses have little use for the unmarked
> noun or pronoun in question, so perhaps that is why no last-
> ing solution has been found to date.  The resolution of the

Many among the great unwashed masses have been onto a solution for a
very long time -- using plural pronouns with singular antecedents.
It's mainly the washed who are resistant to that solution, including
those among the washed who believe that it's a sensible solution but
who can't stop the crawling skin.

> Bored you to tears yet?

You never write anything boring!  You are one of the few people on my
never-delete-unread-or-partially-read list.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:43:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      WHTMIQR2
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What Happened To Me In Quintana Roo 2:
---------------------------------------------
10) Begin 30 minute journey through the jungle-on-one-side-
of-road-desert-on-the-other with much time to ponder the wisdom
of taking a second honeymoon with someone who hates you.  Consolation
should come with the thought that it is almost free, funded by
research funds earned by teaching Spanish on television, but
jolted back to the reality of the computer that <one> could have
bought with this money.
11) Mexican helper says, next hotel is the Palace, whistles and
raises black thick eyebrows once more and this time, *winks*...
this does not look good.
12)  ggs makes small talk to tc across aisle, par exemple: "That
is the convention hotel, we are not staying there...."  "The next
hotel is ours... (<wink> <wink>.... the Mexican helper obviously
understands English and perceives the seriousness of tc's tc's
dilemma)....
13) Arrive at Cancun Palace to find that it is indeed a palace,
very very icenay indeed, with *three* swimming pools (one for kiddies,
one for volley ball and aerobic water dancing, and one for grownups
going through their second childhood) and beautiful landscaping and
lots of little people in uniforms making sure that everything is just
what the travel brochure promised it to be...  ggs request a <Room
With A View> and is assured that it is <a vehree nighus rrom>....
And it is, very nice...  ggs and tc begin to feel a bit better about
each other now transported from the problems and anxieties of their
HSH....
------------------------
Taking a break because it is 11:35 and the system goes down at some
point between now and midnight and any message-in-progress will be
lost,  removed in a <poof> to the never never land of netdeath....
More directly....
-ggs
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:34:39 CDT
From:         Absolut Bandwidth <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: gonadological oppression
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>Sorry for all the bandwidth...just kinda touched a point of <interest>
w/me.

What's THIS?!?!?

-abh
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:35:04 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Giggles' News
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> Ongwray!!!!   They saw me and I saw them.... they had little
> Mississippi AATSP badges and t-shirts that said "En Mississippi
> somos bilinguississippis joder!"   I couldn't believe my eyes
> and I just said.... "Como anda Natalie?"

Actually, I've talked to only one of the Cancun spies so far.  Two
others (who didn't know they were spies because I forgot to tell them)
are still there, I think, but I'll see them Monday.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:06:45 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Why I Couldn't Find the RAM!
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Remember that scenic tour I conducted through the guts of my computer
while looking for RAM chips?  While walking Bernard a few minutes ago,
I saw the neighbor who built my computer and asked him about my RAM.
It turns out that there are 36 little DRAM thingies, equaling 4 mg RAM.
And there's a place to add 4 mg of SIPPs. I'm probably going to do it
soon.  We also discussed hard disks.  He has sitting around his house
right now a 200-mg Macstoke(??) -- I can't remember the exact name, but
I remember hearing "Mac" as part of it and being alarmed -- and a 240(?)-mg
Quantum.  He'll take my current disk (a 100-mg Connor) as a trade-in.
He still doesn't know where my motherboard manual is, but that doesn't
seem to matter.  Meanwhile, my OS/2 is sitting on the dining room table
looking lonesome.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

P.S. He told me he has a couple of 486's sitting in his house if I'm
interested, but I told him I wasn't.  Isn't it true that there's not much
advantage in having a 486 unless you want a math coprocessor?
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:07:00 EDT
From:         ktw@POLARIS.ATT.COM
Subject:      The sole of a new machine
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Just testing from here to see if the list can get messages from
a machine running csh under SunOS.  If so, it's the only damned
thing on this machine that _does_ work....

Ken
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:17:32 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Little Aaron Tyler
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>Any ideas on a baby gift; it's been 15 years since I had to buy for a
>baby boy.

Yeah, get him a Barbie doll so he grows up "sensitive and caring."

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:44:12 EDT
From:         ann mandi <AMM@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Bernard's Day
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Happy day, Bernard.

I heard on the radio this morning that today is the
feast day of St. Bernard.  Someone told me (must have
been Frank) that in Russia they celebrate name days
rather than birthdays.  So why not do the same here?

Shall I remind that <most important person in your life>
that today is a day for you to celebrate, so you deserve
some kind of <special treat>?

ann mandi
bitnet:  AMM@BROWNVM     internet:  AMM@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU

'No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball.'
-- Connie Mack
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:23:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject: Re: signs of the times
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>Hey, what happened to staying around and cuddling afterward?

>Well... at the very least, leaving a tip?

     Okay, pal, here's a tip:  Never eat at a place call Mom's, never
     play poker with a guy named Doc, and never sleep with anyone more
     complicated than you are.

>     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
>		- Queensryche

     This quote identifies you as one of the enslaved, I presume?

     Carol