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From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Hong Kong Travel Tips Wanted
Bcc:  mitchell
Reply-To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:35:57 GMT

in rec.travel, doggie@cats.ucsc.edu (Anne-Gigi Ann Chi Chan) said:


>There are different types of accomodation in HK depending on what your budget 
>is... from really run-down guest house to 6-star hotels in Grand Hyatt. But
>I strongly recommend the YMCA Hotel on 
>Salisbury Rd. It was only reopened at the end of last year and is right in
>the middle of town. I don't know about the rates, but it should be reasonable.

I understand that the YMCA now charges something like HK$700 (about US$95)
per night, though I haven't checked this out personally.  Normal hotel rooms
will probably cost about double that.  For the budget minded, I suggest
the New Grand Guest House 13/F C5 Chung King Mansion, Tel. 3111702.  They
charge HK$200 per night, and you won't find another guest house nearly this
good for any price.  This info is current, since I stayed there last week.
Remember me to "Mama" if you try it out.

>
>There is a lot to see in HK:
>
>Hong Kong Museum of History
>
>Cultural Centre
>The Peak
    (walk around to the left from the Star Ferry exit, and queue up for
     the free short bus ride to the tram station)
    (actually, this has been ruined by demolition of that wonderful
     footpath which used to overlook the harbor in favor of construction
     of a monstorous new bus terminal)
>Lantau Island
>Hong Kong Park
>The Buddist Temple in Tseun Wan
>The night view of Hong Kong from the harbour
>The Space Museum
>The Art Museum
>shopping!! :)

Don't forget Star Ferry - 6 or 7 minutes of rare relaxation in HK

On HK Island:
Stanley Market (the #6 bus I think, and DO take the bus)
Ocean Park  (but this isn't the season for it)
Aberdeen, and the floating resturants there
    (actually these have become tourist traps, but still worth a visit)

in Tsim Sha Tsui:
The "Italy, France, Japan" resturant two floors up in Chung King arcade
    (really good budget food, but stay away from their steaks)
Ned Kellys for good food anytime and good music after 9PM.
Bottoms Up - have one drink there.  Stay out of ALL other topless bars.
The Spring Deer resturant - 2nd floor, near the foot of Mody Road.
Beefy's (approx opposite the Marco Polo Hotel) for after-hours music.
Golden Shopping Centre in Sam Shui Po
    (exit to the right in the direction the MTR is traveling)

-- 
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From: hyang@gauss.princeton.edu (Hong Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: American Airline ticket:Newark,NJ => Birmingham,AL
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:25:11 GMT
Organization: Princeton University

Ticket for sale for $85 or best offer. 
Leave Newark on Dec. 14, 1992 at 10:40am.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington)
Subject: Re: Customs (bringing thing out and into the US)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:21:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.010427.1879@informix.com> billd@informix.com (William Daul) writes:
>From a Naive Traveller:
>
>I want to take a small radio and a couple of CDs out of the US.
>How will customs know I already owned them when I return?

Ummm, because:

	1. They'll read your mind? :)
	2. Because where your customs declaration asks you if you are
bringing more than $400 of goods acquired overseas into the country you
will (truthfully) say no or you will (truthfully) list the values of
the goods you acquired overseas and have KEPT THE RECEIPTS.
	3. Because (if you're really bothered by this) you'll take
receipts with you showing where they were bought in this country.
	4. Because they'll look so beaten up that you couldn't
possibly have just purchased them overseas.
	5. Because they'll be packed away in your carry on bag and you
won't be waving them in the customs inspectors face along with
thousands of dollars of other electronic equipment, saying "Look at
me, look at me!" :)
	6. Because the customs inspectors know that consumer
electronics prices in the US are amongst the cheapest in the world,
and you'd have to be nuts to buy stuff overseas that you could get
more cheaply and with a better warranty in the US. 

Chris
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Customs (bringing thing out and into the US)
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:53:18 GMT

In <1992Nov16.010427.1879@informix.com> billd@informix.com (William Daul) writes:

>From a Naive Traveller:

>I want to take a small radio and a couple of CDs out of the US.
>How will customs know I already owned them when I return?

For a small radio and some CDs it's probably not a real
problem -- I've never had Customs ask about small
electronics.

For larger items, you can register them with Customs in
advance so you have gov't-certified proof the items were in
the U.S. already.  It's free and doesn't take long -- they
just note the serial numbers and stamp the form.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: need info on Australia
From: amnon@ivory.bgu.ac.il (amnon david)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:58:58 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

Hi there ,
A friend of mine and I are arriving in Australia begining of December.
We are planning on taking a motorcycle tour around the country. I need
information concerning good deals on motorcycles and camping gear (tents)
in Sydney.
Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
Barak.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tchristen01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Accomodation in sunny Portugal
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:44:32 GMT


Hi,

My name is Steven Christensen and I am a Ph.D student in 
sport psychology at Curtin University of Technology in
Perth, Western Australia.

My colleagues and I, also sport psychology graduate stud-
ents, are planning to attend an International Sport Psy-
chology Conference being held in Lisbon, Portugal in June
1993.

We have begun to plan our trip, and are juggling the fin-
ancial aspects of travelling to Portugal with our small
wages and high hopes.  We would be interested to hear from
people who have information about accomodation in Portugal
that would be suitable to such a group of dedicated but
poor graduate students.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Regards,
Steve

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 **\_.--._/     * Perth. Western Australia 6001.  Tel: (+61 9) 351 2758
         v      * Internet: Christensen_SA@cc.curtin.edu.au

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From: lakhindr@ESD.3Com.COM (Lakhinder Walia)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Grand Canyon..
Keywords: Christmas
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:18:05 GMT
Distribution: rec

Hullo Folks,
Is it a good idea going to GC around Christmas..? I heard somebody talking
about snow/fog..
Would like to spend about 3 days there. Any how-to suggestions..? 
Tips on lodging too please..
Thanks. All suggestions welcome. 
-Lakhinder Walia
From: adamt@ant.EBay.Sun.COM (Tom Adam)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Whistler BC Weather Thanksgiving Week
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:16:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: adamt@ant.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ant.ebay.sun.com


I am traveling to Whistler, BC for Skiing during Thanksgiving
week.  Is there enough snow, or should I leave my skis at home?


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From: brentw@coopsol.com (Brent Williams)
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Organization: Cooperative Solutions, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:50:05 GMT

john@aquarius.unm.edu (John Prentice) writes:

>I am arranging a trip to Argentina.  One way of getting to where I am
>going is to fly to Santiago, Chile.  I change planes there and go on
>to Argentina.  I would not have to leave the airport to make my plane
>change.  Anyone know if I have to clear customs in Chile, or do I just
>go on to Argentina and clear customs there?  I appreciate any thoughts.

I changed planes in Houston last week on my way back from London.  They
read lengthy announcements about which flights would be able to go directly
to the gate on their way to Mexico and which would have to clear US 
Customs before going on to Mexico.  Apparently, the best answer is 
"logically, you shouldn't have to clear customs twice but it depends on 
many random (but usually stupid) factors."

You might contact the Chilean consulate or embassy to find out if you 
need any sort of in-transit visa, just in case.

-brent

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From: Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Hot Springs in winter?
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:01:32 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

In article <BxvLqu.9A9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, hausman@caffeine.cen.uiuc.edu (Kevin Hausman) writes:
> My girlfriend and I are looking to get away from central Illinois for
> a few days over the Christmas holidays, and one of the places we were
> considering visiting was Hot Springs, Arkansas.
> 
> Does anybody know what there would be to do there in late December/early
> January?  Is it worth the trip?

Well, depends on what you're interested in.  The Hot Springs area of
Arkansas is pretty (imho), lots of rolling hills and woodlands.
The HS National Park is in the middle of the city and is centered
on the old bathhouses.  It's a nice visit.  But instead of staying
in Hot Springs, I'd recommend staying at the DeGray Lodge at
DeGray State Park, about 15-20 south of Hot Springs (down SR 7)
near Bismarck, on the way to Arkadelphia.  The Lodge overlooks
the lake and in winter there are Bald Eagles there.  There's a golf course
at the State Park, and lots of opportunities for boating, fishing,
and hiking; you can rent bicycles there too.  It might snow, but
mostly likely it won't.


        ---  __o          Liza Weissler
     ----  _`\<,_         The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
      --- (*)/ (*)        liza@rand.org

	


	
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From: Herberg_David@tandem.com (David Herberg)
Subject: Re: Strange and Unusual stops in the U.S.
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:58:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.230556.22487@engage.pko.dec.com> 
bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:
> In Cumberland Falls State Resort Park, KY, you can see one of only
> 2 moonbows in the world.  This is a whitish rainbow over a waterfall
> seen only under a full moon.

Only two in the world?  Get serious.  Any waterfall wherein you can see a 
rainbow during the day will also have a moonbow under a full moon when the 
moon moves into the same spot.  I have taken several photos of 
moon/rainbows.  They are only whitish because our eyes are less sensitive 
to color at low illumination levels.  Time exposures reveal a full color 
rainbow, as well as a blue sky (with star trails).

David Herberg, Herberg_David@tandem.com
From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: URGENT: Price of film, etc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:46:58 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

Bi-Rite in NYC, 30th between 5th and Madison, consistently has
excellent prices on film and electronics.

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake)
Subject: Re: Camcorder and UK Customs
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:23:39 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <guest.722543652@cs.wisc.edu>, guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account) writes:
|> giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <guest.722186696@cs.wisc.edu> you write:
|> >>
|> >>steve@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Steve Hiller) writes:
|> >>
|> >>>I'm returning to Heathrow Airport from Australia via
|> >>>Singapore. Are there any useful tricks for getting
|> >>>a camcorder, bought on the cheap in Singapore, through
|> >>>UK customs?
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>Yes. Don't post your intentions to the net. But seriously:
|> >>
|> >>If the UK is like the US and you don't have to see a customs officer
|> >>on the way *out* of the country, why can't you just pretend like you
|> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> >	Excuse me, I just lost something here, and it's not clear to
|> >me what you mean by to see a customs officer on the way *out*. The man
|> >returning to Heathrow Airport, or in our CASE back to good ole USA.
|> 
|> [stuff deleted]
|> When I last visited France and was departing for the U.S., I had to
|> wait in line before entering the International terminal and show my
|> passport to the national police.  I assume they could have checked my
|> luggage had they wanted to.  If he went through customs on the way out
|> and a thorough check was made, it might be noted that there *wasn't*
|> any nice new electronic equipment, and upon reentry with it there
|> would be a problem.  Get it?  I *know* you don't have to clear customs
|> or do *anything* (except show your passport to the airline) on leaving
|> the U.S. but since I've never been to the UK I don't know the exact
|> procedure there.

Most european countries have an immigration check on the way out.
The idea is to catch international terrorists etc :-)
This is NOT a customs check.

Getting back to the original question:

	1) THROW AWAY THE BOX AND PACKAGING.

	2) Mail the guarantee card, receipt and instructions to yourself.

	3) Use it a bit, and let it pick up some dust.

	4) Practice not looking guilty :-)

Philip
From: glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Gene A Heyler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: UK car rental- dollars vs pounds
Date: 21 Nov 1992 08:53:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


   OK, everybody tells me it is cheaper to reserve a car in the UK by
reserving prior to the trip in dollars than just getting one on the spot
in pounds.  Let's assume a car rental fee is constant over a period of
time - say six months. But is that fee a constant in dollars or is it
a constant in pounds? That is, the exchange rate has dropped from
$2.00/pound to $1.50/pound, yet the quoted fees in dollars are the same.
Does that mean they are now more expensive in pounds?

Signed......
    Confused
From: rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randile the Reptile)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Customs in L.A????
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:27:08 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond


	I just flew back to the US from Asia
via L.A. All people arriving in L.A. on international flights 
must clear customs and imigration before traveling on to
other destinations within the US.

	This fact was emphasized over and over again on a 
public address system.

Hope this helps.

Randy Rohrer



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Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:32:01 PST
From: Lois White <LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: How do you take medication into a foreign country?

You'll need the doctor's prescription...the pharmacy labels on the
medicine containers should be sufficient.  This is the advice given
to me by the local health office where I got my immunizations.  It also
appears in the U.S. State Dept.'s brochures I picked up with my passport
many years ago.
From: wfang@a.chem.upenn.edu (Wenjia Fang)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.marketplace,rec.travel.air
Subject: ***INFORMATION NEEDED, TRAVEL IN California **
Summary: Travel from LA to SF
Keywords: Travel from LA to SF
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:14:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello, everyone, 
I am considering to travel to California for the winter break, I plan to
go to L.A. first, then, if possible, go to San Franscico later. (I want
to visit Stanford and UC berkeley). I wonder what possible means are
avaiable from LA to SF, how much they cost and how long they will
take. Driving is not feasible for me. If it is bus/grey hound, how
early do I have to call and reserve tickets. 

Thank you very much for any information. 




-- 
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wfang@a.chem.upenn.edu
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From: thiggins@ttsi.lonestar.org (Thomas Higgins)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Jamaica
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:15:04 GMT
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc. Plano, Tx.


  I tried to send this message to someone from Canada, asking about
Jamaica Jamaica and F.D. Resort.  It bounced so I am broadcasting it
in hopes of reaching him.


  F.D Resort is a family resort.  Suites with personnal maid to do all
cooking, shopping, laundry and cleaning.  You can have her cook or you
can eat in the resturant.  It has almost no beach, and crowded/small
grounds.  They have child care facilities during the day so you can
forget about the kids while you play.  It is geared to the family with
small children.

  Jamaica Jamaica,  Next door to F.D. Resort.  Adults 16 and older
only.  Large open grounds with beautiful landscaping (27 acres).
Large beach area in both width and depth.  It has a nude beach, on the
FDR side, and a secluded nude hot tub.  A very large main swimming
pool and a lap pool in the lobby next to the gym.  Another secluded
hot tub in a garden.  Two resturants, four bars.  All watersports,
tennis(4 courts I think), aerobic classes, green fees, golf school and
buggy rides as well as food, drinks and smokes are included in the
price.

  Both places have a disco and live entertainment nightly.

  Both airports Montego Bay and Kingston are international but you
really want Sangster in Mo Bay.

  I stayed at J2 and visited FDR.  It really depends on what you are
looking for in a resort.  I have stayed at 8 different resorts in my 9
trips to Jamaica.  I can not imagine a travel agent not knowing about
either.  Tell them to look it up in "The Caribbean Gold Book" under
Runaway Bay.  Jamaica has many more resorts each with different
personalities.  If you want more info either call me at 214-516-6246
or give me you telephone # and I will give you a call.  Do not fly in
and then think you will get a place to stay.  You will not make it
past Customs.

  FDR Holidays 1-800-654-1337
               1-bdrm suite $1570-$1650 pp week (winter rates)

  Jamaica 2    1-800-858-8009  or 1-516-868-6924
                            $1400-$1600 pp week (winter rates)


  Look at Hedonism II in Negril it is a party from the time you arrive
and continues until you leave.  I plan to go back here in May.

  The most luxurious of all the resorts is the Grand Lido.  I have been
here twice.  Fantastic.  Winter rates $575 per couple per night.

  I could go on and on and on..........

  All $ = U.S.

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From: guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Camcorder and UK Customs
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: petlock@turing.org
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani) writes:

>In article <guest.722186696@cs.wisc.edu> you write:
>>
>>steve@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Steve Hiller) writes:
>>
>>>I'm returning to Heathrow Airport from Australia via
>>>Singapore. Are there any useful tricks for getting
>>>a camcorder, bought on the cheap in Singapore, through
>>>UK customs?
>>
>>
>>Yes. Don't post your intentions to the net. But seriously:
>>
>>If the UK is like the US and you don't have to see a customs officer
>>on the way *out* of the country, why can't you just pretend like you
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>	Excuse me, I just lost something here, and it's not clear to
>me what you mean by to see a customs officer on the way *out*. The man
>returning to Heathrow Airport, or in our CASE back to good ole USA.

[stuff deleted]
When I last visited France and was departing for the U.S., I had to
wait in line before entering the International terminal and show my
passport to the national police.  I assume they could have checked my
luggage had they wanted to.  If he went through customs on the way out
and a thorough check was made, it might be noted that there *wasn't*
any nice new electronic equipment, and upon reentry with it there
would be a problem.  Get it?  I *know* you don't have to clear customs
or do *anything* (except show your passport to the airline) on leaving
the U.S. but since I've never been to the UK I don't know the exact
procedure there.

>-- 
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petlock@turing.org
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani)
Subject: Re: How do you take medication into a foreign country?
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:13:03 GMT

In article <1ebk4gINN8ks@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> cstadgs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr R J Tinsley) writes:
>
>Just a brief comment, as this is my first post, but from my (5 months)
>experience of travelling in Africa, reliable supplies of major American/
>European brand-name drugs were legally available over-the-counter
>in all the large cities (anti-biotics, codiene etc.).
>
>So if the medication you require is not too obscure, how about just asking
>your GP for a list of the drugs you need, along with suitable alternatives,
>and purchasing them over there?
>
>Bob


	I know that what Bob is stating is correct, I'm a diabetic,
and Immigrant from India, so we travel there a lot.  I would be a
little concered by buying medicine over in "3World" nations, as they
are governed and regulatted differently.  My father lost his luggage
and only had a few days supply of Insulin on him, and I contacted the
Medial Assist, part of GOLD Master Card, and they told me where he
could get medication there.  He had to buy it in the BLACK MARKET
becuase the American version could not be sold to him only the Indian
version -- so from this please be carefull, AFTER all this is medicine
for your life. (Again this pertains to 3rd world countries,
specifically India,  Pakistan).

	
	Good luck, and as other's have already said to CARY Valid 
perscription, and enough medicine in your HAND luggage to last 
10 to 14 days (lost luggage, I also distribute medicine between the 
two luggage pieces just to be sure and having a higher 
probability of atleast getting one pieace of luggage to land with me).

	Enjoy your trip.

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