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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Floppy Backup, Re: 32bit Shareware backup program.
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:23:17 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul21.054001.11676@cco.caltech.edu> hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) writes:

>While the above data is correct, it neglects to include the cost of
>the tape drive itself, which many people, myself included, would have
>to buy to store anything on tape.  Floppy drives, on the other hand,
>are standard equipment on every PC I've ever seen.  I think that is
>the point others have been making in this thread.

If you want to consider other costs, also consider the cost of the
emloyee's time.  With a tape drive, the employee has merely to insert
a tape, start the backup, and go to lunch (or home for the evening).
With a floppy backup, the employee must sit beside the computer
inserting diskettes as required.  This employee can't get much other
work done during this time, and he can't leave his desk.  This is a
waste of company time, for which he's getting paid.  That expense can
be far greater than the cost of a tape drive.

Especially for engineers making $35,000 starting salaries.  And the
cost increases with the amount of backups.  Ideally, there should be
an incremental backup every day and a complete backup every week.
That's a lot of man-hours to waste.


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From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Subject: AutoCAD R12 and OS/2  2.0
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:48:55 GMT

Has anyone tried to run the shipping version of AutoCAD R12 in a DOS
VDM under OS/2?  I asked Autodesk if it would work and they gave a
somewhat ambiguous answer to the tune that OS/2 in not supported by
them and that Phar Lap had to write a special driver to make it
work under Windows 3.1. 


-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: gjm@cray.com (Gordon Miller)
Subject: Re: Where's Borland?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:00:48 CDT

In article <62816@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>I wonder if Borland will sell us the OS/2 version of their C++ compiler
>cheaply as an upgrade from the Windows version? Say, $50? Am I dreaming?


Well, Borland offered a "cheap" upgrade price for ObjectVision from the
Windows version so my guess is they will do the same for the compiler.
But for $50?  I would say you are dreaming.  But then who says dreams
cannot come true?  One can only hope.

--Gordon Miller
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: OS/2-The User's View
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:45:59 GMT

In article <7735@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>
> The question I have for everyone reading this post is:
>
> How much trouble have you had with os/2? 

I have installed OS/2 about 8-10 times in several machines. I have not had any
trouble with any of them that wasn't a configuration problem (swapping to too
small a partition and the like).
 
BUT...I only install HPFS from A-Z and never use dual boot or boot manager.

About once a month, the little icon title boxes turn white and become editable
and the WPS behaves oddly........but if I go to a full screen session and come
back it seems to go away.......
 
There are a few wee bugs in there, but they make for strange behaviour more
than total failure.
 
Steve

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Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         |  and bright in my eyes, 
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            |  And the stars going round in 
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       |  my head." R. L. S.
From: tsptq@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: c000005 code and More - HELP..^2
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:08:24 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

I have similar error too. that is c000005
but my system is 386/33DX, IDE 400mb Hd, 8mb ram
            and Dos5 is primary
                Os2 v2.0 ext.
yet, i have tried disable all cache and shadow, and playing
     around with RAM too. but no sucess.



Note that, during installation i also have another problem :
      Installed ok.. up to diskette5 and thence again the installation disk
         Now ..it said take the disk out and reboot and thence coming
               to the set up part ...
        Good ..taking disk out and reboot
     Problem .... after reboot it display the picture od os2 the icon
                 of clock .... and then FREEZE
********* SO WHAT WRONG HERE ??????***********

     Thus i thence cold rebooted and everything ok to the last disks.
     Thence the pc was rebooted and came up with bootup manager and it
            was running ....
            and it said some drivers not installed and ask press enter
            to continue, so i procecced as it told..
********** THEN IT CAME UP WITH c000005 and STOP ****************
     yet i did check the config.sys for those device drivers specified,
         i found nothing (?) wrong, because those drivers are existed and
         located at the right subdirectory as specified in config.sys


?????  What should i do now ?
       what the error code c000005 means ?
       I know there existing of a listing all error codes mean for OS2, but
     i don't know where it is ? Does there anyone know, could you mail me ?


                               (  Thanks... Thanks.....)^2
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Getting 1600 CPS w/ Procomm+ ?
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:24:55 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BAB.92Jul30141730@se39.wg2.waii.com> bab@se39.wg2.waii.com (Brian Button) writes:

>Also, I'm usually trying to download stuff from work using sz and sb
>from a Sun SPARC2. Text transfers work fine at about 960CPS, but
>binary ones only creep along at about 600CPS. Any suggestions for
>this?????

Are you using an 8-bit connection?  If you (or your modem) connected
at E-7-1, instead of N-8-1, then zmodem has to quote all high-bit
words, a-la kermit.  This can slow you down a lot.  Since printable
characters all have their high-bit cleared, text transfers wouldn't be
affected.

On your Unix side, type "stty everything" to see what it thinks you're
connected at.

On my system, I get the following output:

>new tty, speed 19200 baud , 43 rows, 111 columns
>even odd -raw -nl echo -lcase -tandem -tabs -cbreak
>crtbs crterase crtkill -ctlecho -prterase -tostop
>-tilde -flusho -litout pass8 -nohang -autoflow
>-pendin -decctlq -noflsh
>erase  kill   werase rprnt  flush  lnext  susp   intr   quit   stop  eof
>^?     ^U     ^W     ^R     ^O     ^V     ^Z/^Y  ^C     ^\     ^S/^Q  ^D

Note that the pass8 option is active.  
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From: sean@wubios.wustl.edu (Sean Dyer)
Subject: Carbon Copyesque remote use application
Organization: Division of Biostatistics, WUMS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:30:38 GMT

Is anyone aware of an product that allows remote use of an entire machine
running OS/2 2.0 (rather than just a virtual dos session).  Any information on
(preferably) existing or planned products would be greatly appreciated.

-Sean Dyer
-Division of Biostatistics
-Washington University Medical School, St. Louis, MO
From: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: re: i love mks
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:41:01 EST
Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

EG>In message <1992Jul15.154851.19173@pony.Ingres.COM>,Ed Goldman
writes:

EG>MKS sounds interesting, but I don't know much about it.  Could someone
EG>describe the contents, price, where to get it, etc ... ?

MKS stands for Mortice Kern Systems, who produce it. It is an  excellent
package,  a  port  to  DOS  (and  OS/2)  of  about  150  Unix utilities.
Originally flogged as  a Unix/DOS and  Unix/OS2 bridge, it  is a set  of
standardized utilities that are shipped with Unix V.

Most of the utilities  exist for DOS in  various public domain forms  (I
can't count all of the grep,  ls, and awk implementations I have  seen),
but MKS has several advantages:

  - the stuff works, and works _together_

  - it's all consistent

  - it is fully sysV compliant

I have a copy from when I worked in a Unix/DOS environment back in 1989.
It saved my sanity (well...). You can configure your DOS or OS/2  system
to look exactly like Unix. The commands are identical (except of  course
where OS/2 or  DOS lacks the  function of the  command), and a  complete
korn shell is provided (I prefer 4OS2, myself).

At any rate, here's a list  of the programs supplied. If you  don't know
what any of  them are, check  out any Unix  documentation. If you  don't
have access to  Unix, and don't  know what the  commands are, then  this
package isn't for you anyway.

Package contains:

    awk banner basename bdiff c cal calendar cat cd chdir cmp chmod cmp
    comp compress cp cpio crypt ctags cut date dd deroff dev df diff
    diff3 diffh dirname du echo ed egrep env ex expand expr fg fgrep
    file fmt fold getopt gres head help init jobs join kill lc line
    login ls mkdir more mv nl nm od pack passwd paste pcat pg pr prof ps
    pwd rev rm rmdir rsh sed sh size sleep sort spell split strings
    strip sum switch synch tail tee test time touch tr tty uname
    uncompress unexpand uniq unpack unstrip vi wc which who

Address is (or at least was, in 1989):

                            Mortice Kern Systems
                            35 King Street North
                             Waterloo, Ontario
                                   Canada
                                  N2J 2W9

                          Phone: (519) - 884-2251
                           Fax: (519) - 884-2270

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Where's Borland?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:17:09 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul22.101741.8661@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> macketan@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Macketanz) writes:

>Really in betatest ?! - where did you get this information from ?

I called up Borland's toll-free order line to orde BC++ for OS/2
(wishful thinking) and was told by the operator that it's not yet
available, but it will be soon.  I was placed on a mailing list to get
info about it when it is released.

I assume this means its in beta now.  I also heard this from some
rumors. 

Borland's order number is: 1-800-331-0877 (ext. 1024)


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From: jsykes@dadd.ti.com (Jonathan Sykes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Pmcomm question
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:03:07 GMT
Reply-To: jsykes@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

I've had the same problem when I've been trying out different screen
resolutions - sometimes windows are off the screen enough so that you can't
move them.

You can display running processes with M1+M2 then there is an option to tile
the open windows - this should bring them onto the useable screen area. When
you quit Pmcomm it will ask you if you want to save changed settings - this
includes window position and sizes. It should come up correct next time you
run it.

In article 76843@ut-emx.uucp, fly@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Neil) writes:
>
> I am having a problem with PMcomm:
>
>When I download something, the transfer statistics window is in the bottom 
>left corner of my screen.  It is too far into the corner to grab it with
>my mouse and move it to where I can see it.
>
>  I have tried everything I can think of to move the box short of erasing the
>applicaton and starting over.
>
>Any ideas? I would like to see the statistics, they are very helpful....
>
>


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From: jarman@ee.ualberta.ca (Andrew Jarman)
Subject: Archiver that uses EAs?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:23:18 GMT

Sorry if this is a FAQ, but is there a ZOO, ZIP, or anything else I can
use to compress files and still keep the EAs.  At work our newly installed
OS/2 network only has a tape backup on an old 386SX running a DOS requester.
I can backup files across the network onto the tape drive, but any files
that have EAs will loose them as they are backed up, specifically my
network files.  I have lots of local HD space, since I have an 80MB SCSI
drive (ST02 - useless for anything else on OS/2) to use as a temp. buffer
for an archiver.  Any ideas?

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From: rgaudre@triton.unm.edu (Ron Gaudreau)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Floppy Backup, Re: 32bit Shareware back
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:36:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.7xfm18f
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>>Ahem ... Diskettes are not 'relatively inexpensive' - esp. when you look
>>at them relative to tape.  For example, the cheapest one can find DS/HD
>>3-1/2" diskettes around here right now is about $1 per diskette.  Thats
>>$1 for 1.44 Mb of storage space, or $.70/Mb.  QIC-40 tapes are running
>>about $15, for 40 Mb of storage (uncompressed) or $.38/Mb.  QIC-24 tapes
>>are $15 each for 60 Mb of storage (uncompressed), or $.25/Mb, and QIC-150
>>are about $20 for 150 Mb of storage, or $.13/Mb.  At that rate, those
>>floppies get darned expensive.  And they take a lot more space to store,
>>also!
>
$1.00 for a 3.5 HD - I think you should shop around. I get 3.5 HD for
59 cents a piece. Thats 41 cents cheaper and that adds up when you end
up buying a lot of them.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: joker@diku.dk (Morten Christian Holmgreen)
Subject: Re: Where's Borland?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:56:01 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

smbrush@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Andy Brush @Sverdrup) writes:

>A few months ago, Borland seemed to be promising that they were heavily 
>committed to supplying applications for OS/2:  The trade rags quoted 
>Phillipe Khan (sp?) saying how important OS/2 would be, etc.

>TODAY, the picture looks different!  While Lotus and Microsoft advertise
>OS/2 spreadsheets, Borland is shipping an "upgrade" from Quattro 3.0 to 4.0
>which is _less_compatible_ with OS/2 than the previous version.  Borland
>technical support has no solutions, and they won't even refund the
>"upgrade" price because they "don't support OS/2".  Nothing about upcoming
>Borland OS/2 releases has been in the rags for weeks. 

>It seems that either Borland is having difficulty porting their compiler to 
>OS/2, or that they have made a strategic decision to avoid OS/2.  Either 
>way, it's looking like it's time to make the decision to avoid Borland.

>Comments, Hard Info, etc. is Welcome

>Andrew S. Brush             | SMBRUSH@LIMS01.lerc.nasa.gov
>Sverdrup Technology         | 2001 Aerospace Parkway
>NASA LeRC Group             | Brook Park, OH 44142
>"Opinions are Mine, Only"   | (216) 826-6770

If Borland have deserted OS/2 I think I'll say "Bye bye Borland" and sell
my Borland C++ ...

They cannot be serious about this, can they???

Christian
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student, University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Computer Science
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From: MORRO@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU ("John K. Duchowski")
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Lotus 1-2-3 ver. 3.10 under OS/2
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:17:00 GMT

Hello Everyone,

	I am indeed most happy to announce that the 1-2-3 ver. 3.1 under OS/2
saga is over !  And, what's more everything finally works like it is supposed
to :) !  I don't know excatly waht was causing previous problems, but here
is how I fixed them:

	1. I started with the POLOS2.ZIP file.  Because I previosuly copied
	   the program template I used that except that in the DOS Settings
	   I reset everything to the DEFAULT values before I put in the
	   changes described by POLOS2.

	2. I entered ONE setting change at a time and made sure that the
	   program ran ok.  I noticed following differences between what
	   IBM OS2TNT (TNT = Tips and Techniques) says and what the POLOS2
	   says:
	   			OS2TNT			POLOS2
				------			------
   	DOS_UMB 		On			Off
	DOS_HIGH		On			Off

	DOS_VERSION		INSTALL.EXE,3,40,255	123.EXE,3,40,255
				123.EXE,3,40,255	123DOS,3,40,255
				LOTUS.EXE,3,40,255	INSTALL.EXE,3,40,255
				123DOS.EXE,3,40,255	TRANS.EXE,3,40,255
				ZAP.EXE,3,40,255
				INS.EXE,3,40,255

	DPMI_MEMORY_LIMIT	4 or higher		4

	3. Finally, I have set up the following batch file in my 3.1 directory
	   and entered c:\lot310\lot310.bat in the Path and file name field.
	   I've also entered c:\lot310 in the working directory field.

			@ECHO OFF
			CLS
			PROMPT $p$g
			PATH=C:\LOT310
			SET 123MEMSIZE=2048
			123.EXE

With all of the above in place, 1-2-3 ver. 3.10 runs fine in both DOS Full
Screen abd DOS Window modes.  In the latter, the colors are rearranged and
thus far I have not played around with their settings, but that is now a
minor annoyance.

	With all this beinhd me, I now have the followign questions: (1) what
do the 3,40,255 settings mean and which files should typically be entered in
the DOS_VERSION settings ?  (2) Which of the above described discrepancies was
most likely the cause of my truobles ?  In closing, I would like to thank
everyone on this forum for their generous help and helpful suggetsions.

Best Regards to All,
John Duchowski

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: CSYSPCN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSYSPCN)
Subject: Re: Why do WPS windows take forever to close?
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:26:43 PDT

On Compuserve, someone suggested adding the undocumented option:

SET OBJECTSNOOZETIME=1

To the config.sys   Seems that the WPS doesn't close apps immediatly
because you might have done it by mistake, and want to re-open it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner)
Subject: Re: emacs and rmail
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 00:39:20 GMT
Organization: Watch the Skies
Distribution: comp

In article <TNT.92Jul30161358@netcom.com> tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner) writes:


   has anyone gotten rmail to work with emacs?

to answer my own question:

set user=myname

this, along with set mail=/usr/spool/mail/
allows rmail to work.

-- 
terry
	tnt@netcom.com
From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Floppy Backup, Re: 32bit Shareware backup program.
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:26:15 GMT
 <1992Jul22.172317.26801@njitgw.njit.edu>
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <1992Jul22.172317.26801@njitgw.njit.edu>, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu
(David Charlap) says:
>emloyee's time.  With a tape drive, the employee has merely to insert
>a tape, start the backup, and go to lunch (or home for the evening).
>

I think we all hope OS/2 will not only be a company OS but will make it
to the desktop of the home user. For the cost of a tape drive I can buy
about 1 Gigabyte of floppies in Germany. I have no employee who does my
backup so this is irrelevant to me. I definitely want a _good_ floppy
backup program.

Michael Bode.
From: x91clifton1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Floppy Backup, Re: 32bit Shareware back
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:15:48 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <JEFF.92Jul21150244@claw.clearpoint.com>, jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack) writes:
> 
> I paid $45 for my Archive tape drive (used).  It has worked fine for
> about a year, and the parent company is still in business.  However,
> it is old technology, and they do not want to support it anymore.
> They are coming out  with OS/2 drivers for their newer (DAT) drives.
> So you see that the stability of the company is not the only thing
> that determines the support.
> 
> If I had 10 386's, I would still only buy 1 tape drive.  I would then
> buy 10 ethernet cards (about $100 per) and the software to run them.
> Then I would remotely access the machine with the tape drive.
> 
> I have a 200 Meg hard drive.  The OS and other utilities take up about
> 60 Meg.  The rest has to be backed up.  I do not feel like pumping
> around 100 floppies into my machine every day.  Of course I have not
> backed it up since I built OS/2 on it, and I do not like that
> situation either.
> --
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Jeff Griglack             |"Hey, you talking to me or are you just practicing|
> |jeff@claw.clearpoint.com  | for one of those performances you do?"           |
> |jeff@fang.clearpoint.com  |                          -- Lori Anderson        |
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here Here!

I've got a Mountain QIC-60 internal and a pile of tapes sitting there idle.
Anyone coming out with decent backup software is going to get my business.
Before getting the drive I used to do the floppy shuffle myself, and the
first time I used CP Backup under Windows, stuck one tape in the drive and
archived my entire hard disk in the background while working (or playing
games ;-) on something else, I was sold. 

The one drawback was a rather sever performance hit and an inability to 
access the floppy drives (floppy controler interface) while backing up.
Now the performance problem ought to be something that OS/2 excels at.
This is based on my test of formatting both floppies while downloading
a file and editinga in the forground. Try that under Windoze!

/Doug
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