HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
	<1992Aug24.044354.1301@reed.edu> <1992Aug24.052459.17731@macc.wisc.edu>
	<1992Aug23.042028.14018@amhux2.amherst.edu>
	<1992Aug24.005105.19272@microsoft.com>
	,<1992Aug24.191923.6957@microsoft.com>
	<1992Aug28.040208.28559@microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:32:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.040208.28559@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

   Here in Seattle, the parade lasted (I think) about two
   hours.  Lots of normal people, lots of average folks, organizations
   and clubs, etc.  A whole spectrum of things.   But when the local
   TV stations decided to air segments of the parade, guess which segments
   they chose?  Right; the circus.  It's good for ratings.

The problem is not the "flamboyant" fags, it's the local TV station.
Maybe you should spend some time trying to educate them (to show the
diversity of lesbigay life).

	Penny




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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Don't faint dead away but...
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 20:38:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Steve Dyer writes:
>Over the next few months, I'll be converting the GIF files to their
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^
>JPEG format, with an eye toward eliminating the GIF images once
>I'm fully converted.  This should free up a fair bit of space, since
>the JPEG files are much smaller.

I do hope you mean "re-scanning" by the above, since if you try
to convert from a GIF to a JPEG, you won't gain much in the way
of storage space, and stand an excellent chance of utterly
ruining the image with artifacts.  A dithered 256-color image is
most definitely NOT appropriate source material for a JPEG.
 
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() users come to mind.
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Quotes
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:15:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep1.071510.8166
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I no longer love your mouth
I no longer love your eyes

I no longer love your eyes
I no longer love the colour of your sweaters
I no longer love it

I no longer love the colour of your sweaters
I no longer love the way you hold your pens and pencils
I no longer love it

Your mouth
Your eyes
The way you hold your pens and pencils
I no longer love it
I no longer love it
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 07:41:54 GMT


In article <1992Sep01.030351.5347@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>If anderson had his way, you would have no personal
>preferences that he disagreed with.

Though that may be your actual interpretation, I doubt it
is.  In any case, nothing I've said supports it, and I've
said several times to Alan that his preferences are not the
issue.  Prejudice is.


>You would not be permitted to choose your associates, your
>party friends, or your close companions based on anything
>except his standards.

An amazing statement, by virtue of the obvious parallel with
the scare tactics the more extreme bigots like to use.  You
know, "These queers want special rights; next thing you
know, you'll be forced to accept them as teachers for your
kids."

>He even talks about "erasing the line" of distinction and
>redrawing it where "it belongs".  What hubris.

The hubris is yours, removing that remark from its context,
which made it quite clear I thought Alan was making a
spurious distinction in his value system.  The "line"
rhetoric was his, not mine.

<> Being entirely honest with oneself is a good exercise.
<> -- Sigmund Freud
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:39:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.051927.24479@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
>
>About ten years ago he was in a BBC TV series called something
>like "The Little World of Don Camillo", based on a series of
>very funny Italian short stories about an old priest (played
>by Cyril Cusack, I think) and his arch-enemy, the communist
>mayor (Blessed).  I think he had only a moustache, alas.

It was a TV show, too?  Neat!  The short stories are perfectly
precious....

El
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) 
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:26:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


(anderson, spitting)
> [Sarver] must be one o' those Reagan Republicans: running
> full-speed into the past, too dumb to know you're stuck in
> reverse.



/(jakec)
/of course sarver's republican, who else could believe in
/the divinity of being white, male, and butch...


Actually, no.  I am a registered Democrat with strong Libertarian
leanings.


And I'm 1/4 American Indian (North Carolina Cherokee).



Any other preconceived notions you want blasted out of the water?
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Garth Brooks on "Freedom of Choice"
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:20:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <jhansen.715534408@convex.convex.com> jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen) writes:
>Cornell Kinderknecht writes:
>
>>It's also good to see someone from midwest USA demonstrating that
>>people from are not "un-enlightened" like many motss-type (and
>>others) seem to think people from midwestern states are.
>
>Is Oklahoma in the midwest?

Being a Missouri native and University of Missouri graduate there are
two different arguments.  Since they are part of the Big Eight Conference
I could probably accept it as being in the midwest.  But, historically
and geographically I associate it as being more as a part of the American
Southwest.  Any Okie's care to comment.

Peace



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From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Re: Multi-Index Characterization (Re: your sexuality as an
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 18:05:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep3.033510.29592@athena.mit.edu> <1992Sep3.043007.9290@reed.edu>

Our innocent young Nelson (who's old enough to know that it's not just for
breakfast anymore) asks:

>In article <1992Sep3.033510.29592@athena.mit.edu> max@athena.mit.edu (Max
> Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
>>Tribadism... involves one woman lying atop the other, followed by up
>>and down rhythmic movements to stimulate the clitoris of each. ...
>>takes time to master.
>
>wow, that sounds like fun. How do I practice (*)?
>
>Oh, damn, I don't have the right equipment. Sigh.. so what's it called
>when two men rub their cocks between their bellies?

Max already named it but you left it out: frottage.

>nelson@reed.edu

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Public displays
Date: 1 Sep 1992 07:23:07 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep1.065406.6303@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
->And here at Reed, I actually feel safe enough to go up to him at any
->time in any group of people and just kiss him. On the lips, tongue,
->the whole bit. Doesn't matter if the folks around are strangers or
->friends, if we're in private or surrounded by a hundred people.
->
->Is this freedom?

Hmm ... I suppose it's freedom where you are ...

Unfortunately, the fact that this is worth mentioning probably indicates
that overall there's not much freedom ...

Hell, I know that's why I like living in the bay area so much ... it's so
easy, so free, so comfortable to be a queer BDSMer here ... (as compared to
LA and my parents :) ) ... 

I mean, it's not the freedom to do PDAs ... I'm not comfortable with PDAs
(well, not comfortable with *me* doing PDAs ... and I tend to stare at other
people's PDAs, leading me to dropping my eyes and blushing sometimes :)) ...
it's the freedom to be me ... it's the freedom to mention that I'm queer if
the subject comes up, or the freedom to mention that I'm into BDSM, if the
subject comes up, and not expect the person who I'm talking with to take a
step back ...

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:02:04 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) regt:

>In article <71892@apple.Apple.COM> 
>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) shraybt:

>> phleklempt

>Oikh ken Matthew nit keyn yidish.

Denk nit das er'z a yid.

Brent


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Audience for Sargon Follies
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:13:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.190647.9402@cis.ohio-state.edu>, amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
> nelson and jess and several others have made the point, which i took
> some time to get, that there could be considerable value in this
> discussion set off by the frothings of the notorious nelliphobe,
> because posters are speaking to attitudes and anxieties that a fair
> number of readers of this group are likely to have.

It's more than that, I think.  Despite Boob's insistence
that there's a cabal enforcing a sort of groupthink on the
newsgroup, this is the first time that I can remember so
many people in agreement and so many people sharing a good
laugh over anything here (yes, Boob, we're laughing at
you).  While we've historically had a rather high level
of contention here, on this particular issue there's
overwhelming agreement that our diversity is a good thing,
and that there's as much value in being a nelly queen as
there is in being a butch dyke or a leatherguy or a lipstick
lesbian.  We're affirming that we won't turn our backs on
each other or sell each other out in the false expectation
that it would further our political agenda.  While there's 
undoubtedly good sport to be had in taking potshots at 
morons, this particular thread seems to have turned into 
a small party to celebrate our differences.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Barbara Bush proves to be as spineless
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:04:15 GMT
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 92Aug25225548@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu, gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
> What has Barbara Bush done to hurt you? 
> 
> I understand why you would be angry at George Shrub. God knows I am. 
> But what has his wife done to hurt you? Don't fault her for loving and
> supporting her husband. She's doing what she thinks is right, no matter if
> you agree with it or not.
> 
> Besides, we all growl when the republicants attack Hillary Clinton... who are
> we to attack Barbara Bush? She's not the candidate. Anything she does as 
> first lady is her own choice. I'd say she has been an admirable first lady...
> certainly more so than Nancy Reagan. 
> 
> Tom


I think the main issue here is hypocrisy.  She states that she supports a big
tent and believes in indivudual rights and that many personal things should not
be in the political spectrum.  Then she goes ahead and supports the positions of
Bush/Quayle in all their negativeness (hell, it's no coincidence she gave Danny
raucous applause at some of his most hateful statement).

I believe her heart is in the right place and she really does care.  However, she
shouldn't have it both ways and talk out of both sides of her mouth.  Besides, I
think she is mainly being used to tone down the stances of those actually running.
My respect for her has halved over the last few weeks.

Howard

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: do you see this?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:01:03 GMT

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>this is an AWFULLY domestic sort of post, but that's where i'm at today.  katy
>started school.  wow.

Wow indeed. I don't have kids, but I can imagine that you did stay home
thinking just 'Wow. She's gone.' It must be such a change.

This is what our lives are made of too. Don't apologize for writing
about it.

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Freedom (was Re: Gay Homophobia)
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:18:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver):
> Actually, jake, after reading your post it appears you have nothing
> to say at all . . .


/(jake the fake)
/on the contrary, bub, it would appear that i caught *you*
/with your pants down...


Don't you just fucking wish . . .
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:12:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Sep2.171200.18178
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article <3=xy1v@rpi.edu>, buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes: 
> >SUCCESS FOR DENEUVE
  
> >  _DeNeuve_, the most important magazine for American Lesbians, 

> I don't know how many lesbians would agree with the ``most important''
> title...

Indeed.  I would have guessed the "Easy Rider" Tattoo Issue.
-- 
"I would promptly inform any homosexual who would dare to proposition
me that my preference is fisting."  -- Theodore A. Kaldis

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Prediction of the Republican National Convention
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:02:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <17548@autodesk.COM> randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark) writes:
>
>In article <2a99284e@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
>>
>>Cruel, cruel, I know, I know.  But *great* television...
>
>	Cruel?  
>	Televising Son of Nurnberg last week was cruel
>	enough.
>

I heard it described as "The live-action version of Orwell's _Animal Farm_."
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Final Arrangements (was Re: Quilt)
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:40:36 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <1992Aug27.150602.9623@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> But Jack, Stonehenge would be a *great* place for it!  With
> suitable production values, the event could be taped and
> used to raise money for all sorts of worthy causes.

But you can't *get* to Stonehenge these days.  The Council
for the Protection of This and That is so worried about
Newagers invading it and sacrificing chickens on the stones
or whatever that they've blocked it off.  All you can do
is stare through the barbed wire at the assembled bizzies. 

Mind you, there's a bijou Visitors' Centre where you can buy
plastic replica golden boughs and the like, and Microwave-
Ready TV Dinner Cream Teas.  But I don't think that's what
Jack has in mind. 

--John
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:03:22 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Sep2.184458.6440@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Brian Blessed is ordinarily bearded; _I Claudius_ was an exception.

Nonsense.  There is nothing, absolutely nothing ordinary about Brian
Blessed's beard.  Brian Blessed is extraordinarily bearded.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Still later Gerald did a terrible thing to Elsie with a saucepan.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 23:48:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65097@cup.portal.com> <f-kn64.jfh@netcom.com>

Jack Hamilton writes:
>No doubt you do things with your old tractor tires that I couldn't even
>think of, and wouldn't want to.

Not having any of my own, the best thing I could think of to do
with such would be to suggest they be recycled.  Given the state
of the environment, I'm not surprised this idea is "unthinkable."
 
() A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on
() sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis
() is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
() had to be restrained by fear and punishment and hope of
() reward after death.
()      -- Albert Einstein
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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Nonsense (was Re: Is Pat Robertson for real??)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:01:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: (getting there)


>

>ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A.  Neinast) asks: 
  >>Doesn't having the name "Pat Robertson" in the subject line
  >>pretty much constitute a warning of hateful contents?
and anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) responds:
 >Why, no, it doesn't.  Consider:
 >[six possibilities deleted]
 >   Subject: Pat Robertson is Really Elvis on Pulpit
 >   Subject: Flying Saucer Abducts Preacher Robertson
at least one of these by the author of
_Dwarf Rapes Nun, Flees in UFO_ (whose name I don't remember).
Unfortunately, the title is better than the book.  (That would
like prove true of these subject lines, as well.)

-- 

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  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:03:14 GMT

In article <65097@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>And it only goes to show just how very, **VERY** little Mr. Dyer
>knows that this is based in another one of his fuckups. I no more
>eat "peanut butter and jelly sammiches" than I do Szechuan food
>or old tractor tires.

I'm sorry George, I must have been misinformed.  Someone once told
me that your favorite food was peanut butter.  (Really!)  In fact,
it could have been you, though I won't swear to it.  Was it just
the jelly half or did I really fuck up this time?

P.S.: If you DO like peanut butter, what do you think of dan-dan noodles?

-- 
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dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: julie@hood.nrl.navy.mil (Julie Hood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Sim is OK!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:49:20 GMT

I just spoke to Sim and he and his home are in tact.
No electricity yet but his bunny is fine.

--
Julie, A Hood  
**So many equations, so little time...
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Christian Support, A Dream (was Re: Is Pat Robertson for real??)
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:46:36 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep1.143827.11836@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In my dream, open warfare had broken out all over the US,
>although the more organized CFs were mostly well-funded and
>very well equipped guerillas terrorizing small enclaves in
>Utah, Idaho, Florida, Texas, Arizona, and southern
>California.  

I believe Robert Heinlein covered this topic years ago in a
short-story called (I think) "If This Goes On" as a part of
his Future History Series.  The prologue of the story deals
with a charismatic preacher from Arkansas who rose up through
the ranks to become very influential individual in the American
psyche.  He precipitated a revolution that overthrew the US
government and replacing it with an isolationist theocracy.

The scientists were immediately drafted into the priesthood.
All references either architectural or geographic to the 
american colonial period were removed and replaced with 
Biblical names.  And the military enforced martial law under
their new name, the Angels of God (or Mercy, I'm a little
vague on this point).  The leader of this United States of
God was called The Prophet and through a hoax using smoke
and mirrors, each successor was shown to be the direct choice
of the now since long-dead Arkansas preacher.

One interesting side note was that the last holdouts to this
new order were the Mormons of Utah.

Eventually the prophets descended into despotism and the public
saw them for the frauds that they were and staged a successful
coup and regained their freedom.  

What was frightening about this vision of the future was that it
was written more than twenty years ago.  So, talk about bad 
dreams.

[Jess' interesting dream deleted, but point taken]

Heinlein's resolution was more along the lines of secular humanism.
One basic law was passed called simply The Covenant.  In it, every
man could proceed with his/her own pursuit of happiness as long as
it did not harm anybody else.  There obviously sprang up a whole 
body of case law of how to interpret harm.  Offenders went into 
rehabilitation (basically psychological) and non-participants were
sent to Coventry (which was basically Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire
that had been walled off from the rest of the US).

I liked Heinlein's concept of The Covenant, but enforcement was a little
harsh.  It does simplify things a bit and accepts all of the tenets of
Jess' dream as well.  

Peace


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