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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live (was:Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:26:44 GMT

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Aug13174636@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com 
(Richard Shapiro) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.175109.29790@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu 
>(edward s. chen) writes:
>   Everything is included
>
>Well, not quite everything unless you buy both versions. But that's a
>minor point.

Okay, wait a minute, let me get this straight:

The current Sony release of the Star Club material, even though it is
ridiculously being packaged on 2 CD's, does not include the entire
Star Club tape, right?

Of course, most releases have not included all of it.

But I thought there was at least one release that I'm aware of, a
British 2 LP set on, um, was it AFM?, that had 32 tracks, including
the song that the German waiter sang (or something like that).  I've
got that album stashed away somewhere, and I hardly ever listen to it....
I remember there was a Japanese CD on Teichiku (or something like that)
that also had 32 tracks, and I suspected that it was probably mastered
from an LP set.

One curious thing about the 2 LP set mentioned above--I remember listening
to it and noticing (I think) that some of the tracks were some sort of
fake stereo and some were straight mono, making me wonder what the source
was.

Is this the most complete release, or was there extra stuff that has
turned up elsewhere that I'm unaware of?

Thanks for any info.

--
Jay C. Smith
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: R: Motivations for senseless acts
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:31:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.164411.26050@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.151729.3001@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:
>>A horrible thought just crossed my mind.  I wonder if one (or more) of
>>John's many denouncements in this song offended some religious fanatics
>>a la the Salman Rushdie affair, and Chapman was the resulting assassin.
>> Seems far fetched, I know, but in this world I'd believe anything.  We
>>all know of the reaction to his "more popular than Jesus" statement.
>
>In a word, NO.  It is far more believable (although equally ludicrous) to 
>believe the radicals who want to blame Lennon's murder on the FBI / CIA
>"grand conspiracy."  

The real tragedy of John's death, for me and many others, was that it
was senseless. Not that a "purposeful" death, if there is such a thing,
is any less tragic...but it's often easier to mourn the loss of a beloved
member of humankind when one can assign a category or rationale to the
circumstances of that loss. Chapman's psychosis seemed to be unrelated
to any of John's political or religious accomplishments, and was based
in an apparent obsession with the Lennon persona. Extremes of emotion
can often distort action. That's the best explanation I can find. 

If you want to blame John's murder on any book, you might well pick
"Catcher In The Rye", which Chapman was reading upon his arrest. In a
way, I'm glad the media never picked up much on this thread....

>
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
>                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
>
>                                


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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Best Beatles Live (was: Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club)
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.140856.17053@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> johna@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (john.a.welsh) writes:
>
>The best way to have The Beatles' memory preserved is both on audio and video.
>The problem is that they became so popular so fast that there is very little
>of them on video without a deafening crowd roar drowning out the music.
>The best source, then, of The Beatles on live video with a minimum of crowd
>noise are the Ed Sullivan shows.  By watching these shows, we can see how
>they interacted between themselves on stage and how the crowd reacted to
>them.  Having a tape released of all of their live (or taped before a
>live audience) appearances on The Really Big Shoe would serve as a reminder
>to us who remember them when their music was out and a history lesson to
>those too young to have been there.
>

This is, excluding the infamous Granada Cavern "Some Other Guy" footage.
We are fortunate that some film and audio exists of the boys at probably
the height of their stage presence.  I would've liked to see film of a
pre-Epstein Beatles, but alas, video cameras were not common in that era.

As far as concerts, I've always been partial to the SHEA stadium concert.
The Beatles look genuinely interested and amused at this venue, and the
sound is relatively good. (ie: the lethargy present during the 1966 tour 
had not yet set in).  What I really wish would be released on video is
a BBC special called "The Early Beatles", from a few years back.  A nice
chronicle of the "live" (and semi-live :-) performances from 1962 - 1966
that are lounging in the BBC archives, including the "Music of Lennon &
McCartney Special" where Paul is clearly enjoying lip synching as various
dancers prance around the stage...

<ESC>


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..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: douglas@wpi.WPI.EDU (Douglas C White)
Subject: "Don't believe in Gita"
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:50:36 GMT

Greetings, and two cents:

	John is referring to the indian hindu religious
book -The Bhagavad Gita-  It is considered a sacred text
to those of this religious path.

	Regards,
		Doug
-- 
Douglas White                         douglas@wpi.wpi.edu
Dept. of Chem. Eng.                   
WPI
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: beatles/sullivan?
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:34:07 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <199217.812.8336@dosgate> "gord armstrong" <gord.armstrong@canrem.com> writes:
>
>Are there any 'complete' videos of the Ed Sullivan performances
>available from Feb '64 - '66? Bootleg?

To my knowledge, there's nothing that collects the complete Ed
appearances on one tape, though several bootleg collections
come close. There's even one bootleg video of the entire first
Ed show to present the Beatles (7 Feburary 1964), with jugglers
and commercials yet; but as far as I know this received limited
underground distribution.

>Anyone viewed them all at
>the 'Museum of Broadcasting'? Who owns the rights to the Sullivan
>performances? CBS? If so, I think CBS could still make a decent pile
>of loot if all the Sullivan performances were released on video.

As you mentioned, "The Beatles First US Visit" (a legitimate
release from Apple, by agreement with the original cinematographers,
Albert and David Maysles) is well worth picking up. Quality is
excellent. 

The Ed Shows themselves are owned by Andrew Solt Productions, who
bought them from Ed's son-in-law within the last few years. Solt
has been releasing various packages or *re*packages (British
Invasion, Rock and Roll, Broadway Tunes, Comics, etc.) on video.
You may be able to find these for sale or rent, but they're far
from complete and, sadly, lack the context which a complete show
would offer.

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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "God" from JL/POB
Summary: Back to our Indo-European roots...
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:40:38 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <8189.18374@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley) writes:
>In article <14942@ksr.com> clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) writes:
>>In article <Bt5LIE.3nH@research.canon.oz.au>, philip@research (Philip Craig) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug14.171325.10688@sei.cmu.edu> tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner) writes:
>>>
>>>>I don't believe in ghita
>>>I always thought this was Giza; some sort of holy land.

Giza? The plain on which three of the most significant Egyptian
pyramids were built? Nice theory...but no. Gaza? The town in
Southern Israel in the Gaza Strip? Also negative.

>>(According to the lyrics sheet included with the album, it's "gita".)
>>--
>
>I don't know the spelling offhand, but it is gita as in the Bhagavad Gita,
>Hare Krishna, etc.

Right---and "gita" in Sanskrit is "song" (IE root *gei-, "to sing"),
as in "Bhagavadgita", song of the blessed one (the god Bhagad is the
god of wealth).

I didn't know that John took Sanskrit at Quarry Bank High School. :-)

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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Has anyone heard this about photos of Paul?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:58:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Has anyone heard about nude photographs (of Paul) either being sold by Linda to
a magazine, or being published currently?  I heard talk of this somewhere and
wanted to find out if this is true...

thanks...

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From: fanyl@vms2.iscs.nus.sg (FAN YENG LOON)
Subject: Ringo Starr's LPs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: National University of Singapore Dept. of Computer Sc.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:55:00 GMT

Hallo to all!!
According to the 'Recent and Upcoming Album Releases: 92-31' posted to 
rec.music.info, Ringo Starr is releasing the following two lps:

>18 Aug *r Ringo Starr                     Rotogravure
>18 Aug *r Ringo Starr                     Ringo The Fourth

I must admit that I am not much into Ringo's solo career yet, mayhap some kind 
souls out there could fill me in whether these are new album releases??
Many thanks in advance!!  *8')


----------------------+ David: "Drive My Car", what album was that on Paul?
-applecore-           | Paul Schaffer: "Rubber Soul", I think?
fanyl@nusdiscs.bitnet | David: You sure about that? I think it was "Revolver"
fanyl@iscs.nus.sg     | Ringo: Actually, the song was on "Yesterday and Today"
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: johna@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (john.a.welsh)
Subject: Re: Best Beatles Live (was: Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:08:56 GMT
Summary: More Beatles Live


The best way to have The Beatles' memory preserved is both on audio and video.
The problem is that they became so popular so fast that there is very little
of them on video without a deafening crowd roar drowning out the music.
The best source, then, of The Beatles on live video with a minimum of crowd
noise are the Ed Sullivan shows.  By watching these shows, we can see how
they interacted between themselves on stage and how the crowd reacted to
them.  Having a tape released of all of their live (or taped before a
live audience) appearances on The Really Big Shoe would serve as a reminder
to us who remember them when their music was out and a history lesson to
those too young to have been there.

As for live radio broadcasts (or recorded in front of a live audience),
the Swedish show (Drop In?) is an excellent recording, as mentioned
before.  It is good (1) they were in good voice and had a "tight"
together sound and (2) the crowd did not drown them out with screaming.
An important reference to check is the book "Beatles at The BEEB".
This book lists all of their radio shows and says whether they were
live, taped before a live audience for play back later or just studio
recorded.  The only problem after that is to be able to decode the true
meaning of the listing of tracks on the BEEB albums at your friendly
neighborhood "underground collector's item" (how's that for a New
Speak euphemism?) record store.  They did some songs only once on
the air and others up to at least a dozen times, so many different
versions exist.  Some songs were done very differently from show
to show, especially if they had not yet released that song on an
album.  The book mentions (for example) that they did "I Got A
Woman" twice, and both versions are very different and that "Honey
Don't" had John sing lead on the first version they broadcast.  After
the album version was recorded, it became a Ringo song and it
stayed close to the style of the record from that point on.

                       John Welsh
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Best Beatles Live (was: Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club)
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:24:19
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
	<RSHAPIRO.92Aug13174636@kariba.bbn.com> <Bsy2KB.L87@world.std.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: awp@world.std.com's message of 13 Aug 92 23:00:10 GMT

In article <Bsy2KB.L87@world.std.com> awp@world.std.com (Alan W Pollack) writes:
	   IMHO, the best live Beatles performance preserved for us
	   is the Sweedish radio concert of 10/24/63, best known on
	   bootleg as the "Stars of '63".  


I almost mentioned this one myself. Of the concert tapes I've heard,
this is the only one I could see being called "better" overall than
Star Club. The performance is tighter and quite lively and the sound
is much better (I don't consider this an important issue in judging
the quality of the music, but it's worth mentioning). But it's also
very short and the song selection isn't very interesting. Star Club,
on the other hand, is much more extensive, with a more intriguing
repertoire, and even more vitality (imho). But it's also a bit
sloppier (though I think this point has been overstressed) and very
poorly recorded. My own bottom line is that I listen to Star Club with
some regularity but I only rarely play Stars Of '63. That pretty much
settles the issue for me...
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Donegan/"Puttin' On The Style"
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:45:43 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond) says:
>I'm forwarding this query from dwood@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca, 
>hoping that someone in r.m.b. might know more about skiffle groups:

>>Can anyone out there help me?  I am trying to track down
>>the writer of a skiffle-group song, c. 1960, in which the phrase:
>>``Putting on the agony, putting on the style'' appears.
>>I know that Lonnie Donnagon, a British skiffle singer performed it.

It's Donegan's "Puttin' On The Style", c. 1958. No exact release date
available, but at least on my Donegan anthology it's a live performance
and sounds like the same concert at which he performed "Does Your Chewing
Gum Lose Its Flavour (On The Bedpost Overnight)?", which charted in England
in 1958 and 1961 in the US. For reasons unknown, "...Style" didn't appear
at all on the British charts, though it's a catchy little number about
the changing landscape of teen-hood in Britain during the fifties (outrageous
clothes and behavior, etc....not at all like present-day teens. :-)

My anthology credits Donegan as writer, though this may not be absolute.

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From: David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "Don't believe in Gita"
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:17:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <BtABsD.GtC@wpi.WPI.EDU>
douglas@wpi.WPI.EDU (Douglas C White) writes:

> 	John is referring to the indian hindu religious
> book -The Bhagavad Gita-  It is considered a sacred text
> to those of this religious path.

A horrible thought just crossed my mind.  I wonder if one (or more) of
John's many denouncements in this song offended some religious fanatics
a la the Salman Rushdie affair, and Chapman was the resulting assassin.
 Seems far fetched, I know, but in this world I'd believe anything.  We
all know of the reaction to his "more popular than Jesus" statement.


David
david.t.greenfield@dartmouth.edu
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Guitar: Demo version of SFF
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:07:12 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane) writes:

>2nd verse:
>=========

>G      Bm             F         
>Always know sometimes think it's me
>Am             Am7             F
>But you know I know and it's a dream
>         G                C                 Am     F
>I mean I think I know, ah yes, but it's all wrong


Here is where I wonder what the lyrics really are.
My songbook (the official Northern Songs piano score)
says:

	 I think a know of thee, ah yes but it's all wrong

But in earlier takes of the song, as well as somewhat on
the released version, I hear this:

	 I think I know I'm mean, ah yes

	 or perhaps:

	 I think I know I'm me, ah yes

	 or even:

	 I think I know, ah me, ah yes

Anyone know what the real lyrics are????


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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard this about photos of Paul?
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:50:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.155804.101792@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

>Has anyone heard about nude photographs (of Paul) either being sold by Linda to
>a magazine, or being published currently?  I heard talk of this somewhere and
>wanted to find out if this is true...

Yes, I just saw this in the paper a few days ago.  What I have already
forgotten is what method of publication was being used, but I think
it's a gallery show.  They date from 1968, and I do believe that's one
of them in the foldout poster for the white album (with a little
airbrushing for the Capitol LP version).

--Joe Brennan

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: rcook@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (r.w.cook)
Subject: Re: Re: Where to find Bealtle Bootlegs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:06:52 GMT

From article <1992Aug11.171613.5908@b11.b11.ingr.com>, by mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell):
> In article <RSHAPIRO.92Aug10220744@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug10.101706.8676@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> ireland@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>>
>>  big metropolin areas - here it would be L.A., San Franscisco, Chicago, 
>>  Cleveland, New York, Boston, [etc]
>>
>>  So, I don't think you'd have a whole lotta' luck if you were looking in the 
>>   local record store in Dogshit, Mississippi.
>>
>>Actually I saw the complete UM series for sale in Auburn, Alabama.
>>Pretty close.
> 
> It *is* absolutely amazing what you can find here in the Backward
> South now that we have running water, indoor plumbing, and
> television.  Why, I've heard tale that there might even be a CD player or
> two in the state of Alabama.  Gotta run now and slop the hogs and
> tune up the tractor.

Tractor?  Y'all have *tractors* o-var in bama?  Sheeit.  We're still
usin' mules.....        ;^)   ;^)


Ob. Beatles reference:  Many Southerners know how to spell "Beatles"
too (ref. original article title).

(lots more smileys)

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From: n5ppm264 (Charlie Board)
Subject: Unsurpassed Masters info needed
Organization: bnr
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:30:30 GMT

Can anyone out there post or email (cnc405@bnr.ca) track listings
for the UNSURPASSED MASTERS boot CD series? 
Are these generally regarded as the best available Beatle boots?

While I'm at it anybody got any info on the Rolling Stones boot
TIME TRIPS. The ad I've seen says 2CD,studio outtakes '69-'73,
excellent quality. Can anybody verify or add to this (maybe even
track listings)?

thanks in advance for any help.

Charles Board
cnc405@bnr.ca
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Guitar: Demo version of SFF
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:53:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <randall.714262032@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane) writes:
>
>>2nd verse:
>>=========
>
>>G      Bm             F         
>>Always know sometimes think it's me
>>Am             Am7             F
>>But you know I know and it's a dream
>>         G                C                 Am     F
>>I mean I think I know, ah yes, but it's all wrong
>
>
>Here is where I wonder what the lyrics really are.
>My songbook (the official Northern Songs piano score)
>says:
>
>	 I think a know of thee, ah yes but it's all wrong
>
>But in earlier takes of the song, as well as somewhat on
>the released version, I hear this:
>
>	 I think I know I'm mean, ah yes
>
>	 or perhaps:
>
>	 I think I know I'm me, ah yes
>
>	 or even:
>
>	 I think I know, ah me, ah yes
>
>Anyone know what the real lyrics are????

I always thought is was:

     I think, "ah, no."  I mean "ah, yes" ...

as if his thoughts contridicted his meaning or something ... then
again, what do I know?   (Or is it "no"?) :)

-- 
David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu
"No one is blinder than he who will not see.
 No one is blinder than me."
 -U2, "I Threw A Brick Through A Window"