HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: path length limit in ls?
Keywords: ls path limit
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:58:07 +0100

ls /usr/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd gives (instead of a directory listing):
     ax sel=0 paddr=0 lim=0 flags=0
     cs sel=8B20 paddr=39E00 lim=37FF flags=9B
     ds ...
     es ...
     ss ...
user trap: SEGV id=D00 ax=0 pid=51
        ip=30E1 sp=2030 cmd=ls
%1      51 Memory fault        ls -C /usr/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd

I assume it's telling me the contents of my registers, which means
nothing to me .  .   .    .     .

When I cd to /usr/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd and do an ls it
works fine, which is why I think it may be a path limit, but isn't
that an awfully short limit?

I also discovered today that cc needs a pretty short path specified
in the EDITOR environmental variable to work.  /usr/local/bin/el choked
it!  /usr/bin/el works fine, though.

Harumph.

-John D. Boggs     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Additional library directories
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:36:14 GMT
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Thomas P. Anderson (tpa10@snappy-tom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain) wrote:
: [...horror story about failed CNEWS port and Coherent shell...]
: Just wondering, now that we have tcsh available to us, will that get
: you past those problems?  Seems a shame to give up after all that 
: work.

No, it won't help. tcsh is a superset of csh. csh and sh are two
entirely different critters, when it comes to shell scripts. unfortunately.

Oh, I suppose someone who knew a LOT more about the nitty-gritty of
sh and awk and sed than I do could hack away at the build processes,
the test processes, and all the sed/sh/awk scripts and make 'em
work on Cohrerent.  I'm no guru, but I can usually get by. This one
burned me out, however.
From: berk@techsys.mcws.fidonet.org (Berk Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:45:04 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Private for Now

>
> We have been in touch with CMS and they have sent us what we need in terms of
> technical information.  Support for CMS drives is planned and we will let
> everyone know when support is available.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay Alter
> Director of Marketing
> Mark Williams Company
> --
>      Jay Alter
>     jay@mwc.com
>   (708)-291-6700
> (708)-291-6750 Fax

Bravo!!  Good work (and good PR)
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: COLORADO Tape drives -- NO SUPPORT, PLEA
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:03:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
: Yes!  We should all write, even (especially!) if we don't already have drives
: from COLORADO systems.  If they receive >1000 letters from people who want to 
: buy their drives, I am sure they will reconsider...

On the other hand, I'm sure one of their competitors would love to have our
business.  Perhaps we should make this clear to them in our mail as well.

Not a real operating system?  Let me get this straight: this company
supports MS-DOS, right? ;)

-Louis
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From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: please move linux-only discussion to comp.os.linux
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:49:06 GMT

The title says it all.  The next time I read a linux-only message on this 
group, the word linux and the names of some people who only post about linux 
and have admitted that they don't even run Coherent any more are going into my 
kill file!

comp.os.linux is there for a reason.  Use it!

Sincerely, a satisfied Coherent user,

Harry
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From: jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Perl for Coherent 3.2.1 ?
Keywords: perl coherent
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:05:55 +0100

Is there a port of Perl available for Coherent 3.2.1?

-John D. Boggs     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
From: mfaurot@bogart.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: /usr/adm/failed ???
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:08:10 GMT
Organization: ism:c:m/xo
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

gerald@csoft.UUCP (Gerald Abshez) writes:
: In article <1992Nov26.085230.19920@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
: >gerald@csoft.UUCP (Gerald Abshez) writes:
: >
: >> I was wondering if there is a way to log all or even just failed su
: >> attempts? I have been having some difficulty finding security measures
: >> that are built into coherent. Does anyone know of the file that I might
: >> need, or do I have to re-write su myself? Thanks....
: >
: >I've got a wrapper for su which writes a log file to /usr/adm/sulog. It was
: >a bit of a quick hack and in it's current form won't handle any error
: >conditions very gracefully, but it's small and it does work. It just writes
: >a log entry of who executed su and when and then execs the real su. I'll
: >post the source here if you like, it'll save re-invention of the wheel.
: >
: Well, if it's small enough, sure. 
: 
: If there is any interest, I'll modify it and repost; if not, I'll just
: send you a copy.
: 
: I was hoping that there already was a command doing that, and that I
: just didn't know which file to create. Oh well. 
: 
: Thanks.... Gerald.

A re-write of su in C so that it performed logging wouldn't be that
difficult.  See the family of system calls concerning setuid().  If
set user ID root programs are something you'd rather not mess with,
I'd be willing to write one if there was some interest in it.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: D.M.Todd@massey.ac.nz (D.M. Todd)
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Keywords: Coherent & CMS Drives
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:01:09 GMT

> We have been in touch with CMS and they have sent us what we need in terms of
> technical information.  Support for CMS drives is planned and we will let
> everyone know when support is available.
> 
> Regards,

> Jay Alter
> Director of Marketing
> Mark Williams Company

Yes, please--great!
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: game port driver code?
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:47:25 GMT

From: patbob@sequent.com (Patrick White)
>	Does anyone have any code for reading joysticks from the gameport under
>Coherent?  A device driver or program code would be fine.
>
>	I've got info on what needs to be done and don't want to reimplement it
>if I can avoid it.  Any ideas on how to implement it would be welcome too (eg.
>how to turn off task switching while in the busy wait loop, timers and the ilk
>I might be able to use, more efficient ways to access the I/O port than
>/dev/kmem, etc.)
>
>	If I decide it's too much for me to do, I'll summarize if there is
>interest.
>
>thanks,
>Pat White (patbob)
>-- 
>Pat White (patbob@sequent.com, work: (503) 578-3463)

I'd like to be able to read the joysticks too--and not just for games.  I was
thinking of connecting a couple temperature sensors.  (As well as various
weather instruments.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Subject: Re: Coh/linux/gcc/etc
Followup-To: alt.test
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:05:52 GMT

In article <92121119690@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca> root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser) writes:
>shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU (Charles Shannon Hendrix) writes:
>> > I was quoted $49 for GCC.
>> 
>>         A little high for a GCC compiler don't you think?  If they put
>> it on raven or some other public access, with complete source, then the
>> $49 for those who don't have net access is OK.  A little high, but OK.
>> 
>
>Sounds like it might be a license violation. 

PLEASE people: read the Copyleft a bit more carefully: you may sell GNU
software for whatever the market can take: if people pay $49 for gcc,
feel free.  It gets to be a licence violation only if you don't make
sources available, or if you try to change the copyleft in any way. 

The GNU "free" truly doesn't concern itself with the monetary value very
much: the FSF itself sells GNU programs, and even encourages people that
have FTP to get them on tape instead (along with printed manuals etc),
as that is one of the ways the FSF gets money.  The "free" mainly means
that you cannot restrict the access to sources and/or copying after you
have bought the binary: but it does *not* mean you have to give out
binaries for free. 

The reason GNU software is associated with the "no cost" free, is that
once anybody has bought a version of a GNU program, he is quite wellcome
to copy it and distribute it to others for free.  So if MWC sells gcc
for $49, it's enough that one person buys it, and then he can put it out
for ftp. 

The above may sound ludicrous: why should MWC port gcc at all in that
case? Part of the reason is surely the fact that they want to make known
that Coherent is a "real" unix, and by the standards of many (but not
all) this does include gcc (or at least one good ANSI compiler).  So
putting one person to port gcc (Doug?) pays off indirectly even if they
don't expect to make anything off gcc. 

Another reason is that you can actually make money off GNU software even
under the copyleft conditions: many people prefer to buy a
ready-packaged product that comes with a bound manual or whatever
instead of getting the thing by ftp.  Alternatively you can make money
on supporting a GNU product, and while this is probably not something
MWC would want to do, that is how Cygnus makes money. 

Just take a look into the BYTE advertisement section: you'll see people
selling GNU software (or copylefted but not GNU - like linux) on CD-rom
for more than $49.  And they don't get sued. 

		Linus

PS.  Followups misdirected in order to discourage unnecessary flamage on
the copyleft: do it on gnu.misc.discuss if you want to.
From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Taylor UUCP (was Re: 16550 support appears buggy)
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:24:08 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. -- Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Predrag S. Bundalo (pred@iitmax.iit.edu) wrote:
: In article <66@colornet.com> dfilip@colornet.com writes:
: >That, BTW, is one of the concerns I have with UUCP and 4.1, which is rumored
: >to ship with Taylor. Although I have heard a lot of good things about Taylor,
: >Coherent's current UUCP kludge basically just runs itself, and I havn't
: >really had any problems.

Says who?  Coherent's uucp is a complete resource hog, doesn't support
large packets, only sometimes supports more than 3 sliding windows,
and it often just hangs up the phone on the other system when it
decides that it is finished (leaving the other end thinking that
the session terminated incorrectly...which is true).  If you haven't
had problems, you haven't been using it very much.  I put a couple
of megabytes a day through mine and it fails often on a very clean
local phone call using two error corrected modems.  I will jump for
joy when MWC switches to Taylor officially.

: Maybe you haven't, but a lot of other people have.  Does "packets lost from
: the other side," ring a bell?  Plus, Taylor's version is so much more
: efficient.  You won't immediately know it's running, unlike with the base
: UUCP.

Yup.

: >I don't want to have to start worrying about UUCP
: >problems when I upgrade, and really DON'T want to have to worry about should
: >I install with HoneyDanBer config files and V7 log files, or BSD config files
: >and HoneyDanBer log files, or Taylor config files and ...

Well you can always use the old version if you want to deal with all
of its shortcomings.  Why would you want to?  Big deal, it will take
you a few minutes to convert your config files, but after that you
will get higher throughput and a uucp subsystem that doesn't eat as
much of your valuable cpu/disk resources while it is active.  In
case you haven't noticed, MWC's uucp can take your system down if
you happen to be running another disk intensive program at the same
time.

: You won't have to worry about which configuration you want.  Just pick one
: and stick to it.  And neither will new users of 4.1 because, MWC will have
: already chosen a config setup for them--Taylor's own, I imagine.

Yup.

: Plus with the latest version, there is a program to convert HDB/BNU and V2
: config files into Taylor files.

Imagine that. :)

Cheers,

Chris

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jbore@flotsam.shearson.com (Joe Bore)
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:10:53 GMT

excellent i was wrong...

jb

In article <1992Dec11.114545.23055@philips.oz.au> brianw@philips.oz.au (Brian Wallis) writes:

   Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Path: shearson.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!penguin!brianw
   From: brianw@philips.oz.au (Brian Wallis)
   Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:45:45 GMT
   Organization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia
   Distribution: world
   References: <9212100147.AA00538@eskimo.chi.il.us>
   Lines: 24

   tundra@eskimo.chi.il.us (Tundra Tim Daneliuk) writes:

   >If anyone has taken a shot at porting GNU Emacs to COH 4.0, please contact
   >me.  I'd like to get it working and would be interested in collaborating
   >with anyone else working on this.

   I have it running (18.57) and have been using it for 4-5 weeks now and it is
   quite reliable (is that "fully tested" :-).

   It was quite a simple task to port it, basically coming up with the
   appropriate config file. Undump doesn't work yet but it doesn't take
   to long to load up the lisp (15-20 seconds on a 25Mhz 386) so that's
   not a real problem.

   This was my test of Coherent. If I couldn't get GNU emacs going, I would have
   ditched Coherent!

   If there is interest I could try to retrive the original 18.57 source and do
   diffs.
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From: hph@hphbbs.E.open.de (H.P. Heidinger, Essen)
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Additional library directories
Organization: HPHBBS-COHERENT User Conference/Germany (CUC-Ger)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 12:25:17 +0100

In article <1992Dec12.063736.25929@netcom.com> ringgold@netcom.com (Thomas Essex) writes:
>  I am currently working on a project, and want to build my own library.
>However, whenever I specify the -L directive to indicate the additional
>library path, I get an error indicating it can't find my library.
>  Here's an example of how my command line looks:
>
>  cc -o program program.c -L/usr/local/lib -lmylib
                           ^^
   From my angle of view this option does not work - like some other do.
   COH's cc even eats GNU-cc compilation flags without complaints:
   e.g.
   	cc -pipe -bsd blabla.c

   It seems that unknown options are simply ignored, and pertaining
   that, '-L' seems to be an unknown option to the compiler.
   The '-I' option is also faulty - if you give too much (easily done)
   COH' forgets about it's standard include dir '/usr/include', which
   then must be named expressively on the command line (i.e. -I/usr/include)
   that it can be found or even a simple "#include <stdio.h>" will
   result in an error message.
      	

>The error I get indicates it is unable to locate library libmylib.a. And
>looking withing the /usr/local/lib directory I have the file libmylib.a.
>Also, if I link /usr/local/lib/libmylib.a to /usr/lib the command line works
>perfectly.
>  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? 
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       You take COH' as a reliable system - that's your mistake ...
       COH' is "banana software" (gets ripe at the customer's site) and
       for $$99 you cannot expect MWC that they test the stuff decently
       they deliver. Sad to say - but that's the mere truth as the V4
       release proved in many ways ...


Regards, Peter
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From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:11:08 GMT

tundra@eskimo.chi.il.us (Tundra Tim Daneliuk) writes:

>> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>> >In article <1992Dec14.175700.22691@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony
>>  Porczyk) writes:
>> [...]
>> Agreed.  That still doesn't answer my question, though.  Have you compared
>> the prices for SCSI tapes vs. floppy tapes lately?  Also, for many small
>> businesses floppy tape solutions are more than sufficient (if a bit slow).

>The "low cost" tape solutions are typically about $300 for an internal unit.
>A 250M SCSI internal tape unit  can be yours for about $500.  The extra $200
>buys you 5 - 7 Megs per minute of backups which *far* surpases the low-end
>units.

Actually, that was me that you were replying to, not Rick (Rick agreed
with you).  Anyway, since you mention portability later on, how much is
an external unit?  Which tape backup are you using?  The ones I saw were
for around $1100 for external units - that's considerably more than
$250 for internal Colorado with $50 for external case.

>This seems to me to be $200 very well spent.

Hm, if it is indeed $200, I will agree with you.

t.
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: multics@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu (Multics)
Subject: Re: COLORADO Tape drives -- NO SUPPORT, PLEA
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:01:53 GMT

In article <9212111727@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>Not a real operating system?  Let me get this straight: this company
>supports MS-DOS, right? ;)
>
They do not support windows last time I checked.  I wanted to backup my HD
from within windows.  I have several partitions and and I'd like to backup
those not i use while running windows.

-- 
A good bureaucracy is the best tool of oppression ever invented.
Richard Shetron   USERFXLG@rpi.mts.edu  multics@clotho.acm.rpi.edu
From: jay@rslap.mwc.com (Jay Alter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:23:56 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> David Scholten (scholten@esseye.si.com) wrote:
> :
> : Well, I called Colorado systems today, and they made it clear that
> : they would not support Coherent.  However, if somebody else wrote
> : the device drivers, they might consider becoming the maintainers.
>
> I motion we take our business somewhere else.  If they are so dead set
> against supporting our product, why should we bend over backwards to
> support theirs?  If they had said, "there isn't enough of a user base
> for us to commit R&D and funding to developing one, maybe in a year or
> two" that would still be jerky (IMHO), but at least tactful.
>
> : He did point out that all of the TAPE Drives are compatable with each
> : other.  And that the Specs needed from the QIC committe are:
> :
> :       QIC-40  (JUMBO 120 DRIVES)
> :       QIC-80  (JUMBO 250 DRIVES)

We have been in touch with CMS and they have sent us what we need in terms of
technical information.  Support for CMS drives is planned and we will let
everyone know when support is available.

Regards,

Jay Alter
Director of Marketing
Mark Williams Company
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:15:50 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

brianw@philips.oz.au (Brian Wallis) writes:

> I have it running (18.57) and have been using it for 4-5 weeks now and it is
> quite reliable (is that "fully tested" :-).

Congrats, I didn't think it'd be that easy. I'm curious, what sort of
system are you running it on, how much of your system resources does it
eat?

						- k
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From: comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau)
Subject: Re: GCC etc
Originator: comeau@well.sf.ca.us
Reply-To: comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau)
Organization: Comeau Computing
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:35:35 GMT

In article <d4G502.Y2dM.01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tpa10@snappy-tom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Thomas P. Anderson) writes:
>|> The only code I cannot port today is stuff written in C++, since I don't
>|> have a C++ compiler.  Converting C++ to C is more work than I am up to!
>|> Especially since I only have a few programs written in C++ for the public
>|> domain. 
>
>How about it guys and gals?  Lets leave the COMPILER writing to the gang at
>MWC (it's what THEY do best!).

How so?

>  Why saddle ourselves with a compiler that has
>to bow and scrape to the idol of portability?  The vendor knows his environment
>and how to optomize for it.  The people at MWC could, i'm sure, build an ANSI
>compliant compiler that would run rings around GCC.  In the meantime why don't
>we do something productive, like build a CFRONT that spits out code to use the
>existing cc on Coherent?

That's exactly what Comeau C++ 3.0 With Templates does (that is, we are
literally based upon AT&T USL cfront).

>  Who knows, if we build it correctly, it may even  work with 3.x

We looked at that and although "nothing is impossible" it was tremendously
impractical.

- Greg
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