HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: DATABASE for the Mac...How powerful can they get?
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:40:54 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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ue33+@andrew.cmu.edu (University Entrepreneurs Association) writes:

>I have a Database application that I don't think should be that hard,
>but I have almost no idea how to do it.

>Is this possible on a Mac Database? Which one?

[Description deleted]

>I really don't know if this is an application better suited for
>HyperCard, a Spreadsheet, a Project Management Package (MS or Claris'
>Project), a more sophisticated DataBase package (FoxBase?, but I
>currently have FileMaker Pro 1.0), or the REALLY inelegant solution of
>actually just using a folder in the Finder (And generating a HUGE
>desktop file).

    Well, your best bet would be to use Hypercard, because of the level
interface control you want to have. And in fact this is the kind of
pseudo-database work that Hypercard is really good at. It doesn't look
like you need to do a lot of data crunching or cross checking or other
heavy database type stuff, but you do need ot be able to define a number
of things about the interface that the use will work with and keep track
of locations and stuff like that. Based on the choices you mentioned
above Hypercard is probably your best bet, unless you want to do the
thing in MPW or Think C.

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From: Mike Dustan <Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: FoxBASE+/Mac, Imagewriters, and System 7...
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In article <l9i3snINN6ak@news.bbn.com> Paul Hagstrom,
hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu writes:
>I have heard rumors that FoxBASE+/Mac is incapable of printing to an  
>Imagewriter when running System 7.  Is this true?  Is there a
workaround?  I've  
>got version 2.01, which is the latest as far as I understand.  Must I
force my  
>users to live with System 6 when using my programs, or is there an
alternative?

There are several oddities related to printing with FoxBASE+/Mac on an
Imagewriter with System 7. Mine was that it would repeat the first record
of the report throughout the first page before moving on - but only when
I printed in Faster quality!

The fix from Fox was a free upgrade, which bore the same version number
but a different create date.

Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada
Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 1992 00:42:01 -0400 
From: David Tsai <dt1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 4th Dimenision Information

Hello,
    I'm sorry if this is a FAQ [They just purged this BBoard], but does
anyone have the specs for 4D 3.0 ???  In particular, I need to know
about the differences between 4D 3.0 and it's older version 2.0.  Are
they compatible?

Thanks,
---
David Tsai
Carnegie Mellon University
dt1n+@andrew.cmu.edu
(412) 268-4732
From: hubbard@tsc.cs.unc.edu (Robert Hubbard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: 4th Dimension Info Requested
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:35:27 GMT
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: shariar_jahromi@mentorg.com's message of 26 Aug 92 16:04:38 GMT


We've had similar speed problems here at UNC-Chapel Hill Computer
Science Dept.  In fact just switching from single-user to multi-user
modes in 4D seems to slow the performance down by a factor of 5.  Then
when you have concurrent users on the database with the network, it
gets ridiculous.

Robert S. Hubbard			hubbard@cs.unc.edu
Department of Computer Science
University of North Carolina
CB #3175, Sitterson Hall		Home:	(919) 851-2684
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175 		Office: (919) 962-1926
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: Do you have filemaker pro examples with neat stuff
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:17:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.databases
Organization: Newcastle Uni. Computing Services

In article <D2150035.bu0f2h@outpost.SF-Bay.org>, peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org
(Michael Peirce) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <1992Aug22.233834.968@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> (comp.sys.mac.databases), zingale@crayxmp.lmsc.lockheed.com (Tom Zingale) writes:
> > 
> > Looking for some filemaker pro example files that show off the
> > capabilities of this program. 
> > Good examples showing some of the obscure things it can do would be nice!!
> > Do you know where to find any ?
> 
> America Online has a fairly extensive collection of FileMaker databased.
> You might want to check that out.
> 
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Any idea if there are any FTP sites that have examples as well?
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Newcastle University, NE1 7RU, UK
From: Michael.Breen@UC.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Is HELIX still in business?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:47:26 GMT
Distribution: usa,world
Organization: University of Cincinnati

I haven't heard anything recently about what happened to the Helix product.
Last I heard was that they were bought out and moved to New Jersey. Haven't
been able to find a phone number or address on them as of yet.

Has anyone had any luck on getting in touch with them? If so could you please
e-mail the information that you have... hate to see a good product go down the
drain because of poor management and overextending because of deals with DEC.

Thanks in advance. 
From: Fred.Puhan@p4219.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Fred Puhan)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Published 'FileMaker Pro 2.0' Reviews?
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 21:47:24 -0500

On 9/1/92, Terry Thiel said to All: 

  TT> From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) Newsgroups:
  TT> comp.sys.mac.databases Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
  TT> 
  TT> I haven't seen any reviews of Filemaker Pro 2.0 yet but does anyone
  TT> know if it or the current Filemaker Pro can handle PICT files?  I mean
  TT> for use as a PICT database. -Terry


    One of our branch organizations has been using FMP for the past year or so
for just that purpose: They store PICTs of documents for use in proposal devel-
opment, a text field for each record is used to search for specific PICTs which
they then copy to other documents.

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From: rablatchly@amherst.edu
Subject: Re: Problem with Reflex Plus for Mac
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:56:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.163843.22035@cis.ohio-state.edu>, jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu (Joseph Geniec) writes:
> 
> 	I have a small problem with Reflex Plus. I am trying to convert
> a Database to text format so I can upload it to UNIX. Seems simple,
> doesn't it? Anyway, It will not allow the DB to text conversion for
> some reason. Here is everything I did-
> 
> loaded Database
> selected file|new
> selected table report and gave the report a name
> picked the corresponding Database from the Hard Drive
> hit "include all" button to select all fields
> hit "include all" button to select all fiels for record selection
> selected "export data"
> clicked on text format
> 
> now-- here's the problem. There should be a list of all of the fields on
> the left list, but it is completely empty. Why isn't reflex listing all
> of the fields from the database? BTW, I'm new with this database stuff,
> so If it's simple, go easy on me.
> 
> 							Joe Geniec
> 					     jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
Contrary to the opinions of the other people who have followed up on this
point, you can export from a report.  I do it all the time.  What you
have to do (and this is not obvious) is to *select the repeating collection*
that you want to export from.  The whole report is not exported, just the
contents of one repeating collection.  Yes, this is a pain, (in the) but
you can live with it.
	This is in the manual, pp339 to 341, esp 341.  It is also true
that you can export from the utility window, btw; I wanted to tell you that
you missed only one tiny, but crucial action from the report export task.
Cheers.
Rich Blatchly
R_Blatchly@UNHH.UNH.EDU
From: moultonj@newton.hartwick.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Suggestions on which database to use
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:26:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: newton.1992Sep1.092646.17
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE

I would like to have our students in Intro to Computers Course learn a database
system that is more relational than Filemaker.  The database ideally would be
one that a person with no programming experience could use to create, modify,
and list records.  For those who are programmers I would like a full
programming language available.  I would appreciate suggestions sent to my 
e-mail address.  I will summarize if there are sufficient responses. 
Thanks Jack.
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: reading Filemaker Pro / 4D files with Hyper Card
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:05:39 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Distribution: comp
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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kotaro@galle.ee.sophia.ac.jp (Kato Kotaro) writes:

>I am thinking of reading Filemaker Pro files with Hyper Card.
>Is it possible? If it is possible, how do I do it? 

>Or if there is a way to read 4D files with Hyper Card,
>that will be fine, too.

    Well, unless you know the format of the data stored in a FM Pro
database file or a 4D data file, then you will have to export the data
to a tab-deliminated text file and use Hypercard to read the information
in from there.

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From: chuckp@u.washington.edu (Chuck Pliske)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: reading Filemaker Pro / 4D files with Hyper Card
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:18:08 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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kotaro@galle.ee.sophia.ac.jp (Kato Kotaro)

There is a product available from Metropolis Software, Inc, in California
called MSI Access.  This product allows a single user 4d database to act
as a network server to up to 100 remote sites (localtalk connected),
which sites can use Hypercard, 4d, Prograph or native code.  It's fast,
inexpensive, and reasonably bug free. For further information contact MSI
at (415) 322-2001 or fax to (415) 327-5579.  I have used this product,
and think it will do exactly what you want, if the macs are appletalk
connected.

Chuck
From: news@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Filemaker Pro & FOXBase
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:07:43 GMT
Reply-To: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse)
Organization: c/o MSU (Thanx guys)

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Subject: Re: DH and the rest of the world...
Reply-To: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu
Organization: MFCF
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:19:17 GMT

-- Peter Yamamoto writes --
> 
> Our university is on a five year (or so) plan towards a "centralized"
> data processing system. We are using DH in our department for a grad
> database and it appears that we are probably one of the most electronicly
> developed departments (being the CS department that's a relief to
> hear!-).
> 
> The problem is or will be that the centralized database is going to be
> an Oracle database.

    Hm... this is a problem.

> Other than dump and load, does anybody have any experience or any idea
> of how DH may be able to communicate with an Oracle database or some
> other Oracle front-end application (or any other database/spreadsheet
> for that matter)?

    To my knowledge there is currently no way for DH to communicate with
other programs, and it certainly has no capability to work as a front
end. Perhaps this ability will be includede as part of Helix Express at
some point, but for now DH and HE are self contained applications/rdbms. 

> On a related note, what Oracle front-ends are there for the Mac?

    Well, there are a whole bunch, not the least of which is Oracle
Card. I beleive that it is also possible to write your own front-end
using something like FoxBASE, 4D, or Hypercard provided that you have
the correct extras for these programs. You might also want to look into
using DAL as your means of communication. This requires the purchace of
the DAL Server for whatever machine is running the Oracle database. If
Oracle Card can't do what you need then you are going to have to look
into some other solution, like the ones I mentioned above. If at all
possible, I recommend using a full-fledged realtional database, like 4D,
as your front-end. There are some functions that you can only get with a
database that you might find very helpful, to say nothing of report
generation capabilities. Good luck. 

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: DH and the rest of the world...
   From: Peter Yamamoto <pjyamamo@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
   Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:39:15 -0400
Organization: MFCF
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:48:24 GMT

   ...On a related note, what Oracle front-ends are there for the Mac?

I last used it 18 months ago. Back then, it came with an ugly, buggy HyperCard
interface. I used ResEdit to put their XCMDs into my own stack, and also used
the XCMDs from within Smalltalk-80 (v2.5) using my own Smalltalt/XCMD user
primitive.

I don't know of others, but having an XDMD interface means you could easily use
it from FoxBASE, for instance, or anything else that talks to XCMDs.

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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: New 4D books released.
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:28:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

Just got this in from the 4D mailing list.  (Sorry if it's already been posted.)
:   
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 08:54:02 -0700
To: 4D@MIT.EDU
From: sholden@cod.nosc.mil (Steve Holden-SAIC)
Subject: New 4D Books!

Hello!

I just got mail from the Dimensions' people, and apparently there
are two new books for 4D:

        Vol. 1 - Programming with 4th Dimension

                A Review of Programming and 4D Environment
                and Tools

        Vol. 2 - Programing with 4th Dimension

                The Design of a Business Management Program

Vol. 1 is 308 pages, and Vol. 2 is 622 pages.  

You can get them both for $54.95 + 4.95 for shipping. Source code is
$49.95 + 2.95 for shipping.

For more info. (if your not on a mailing list of 4D owners) contact:

        Blackledge Publishing Inc.
        1126 E. Broadway
        Winona, Minnesota  55987
        1 (800) 424-4855
        (507) 452-0023

Anyone seen these yet?!?  I'll probably order the books by
the end of the day, unless someone says "They totally
suck!"

Have a good day!

Steve

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: ejw1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Eric Weidl)
Subject: Re: Do you have filemaker pro examples with neat stuff
Reply-To: ejw1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Academic and Public Computing
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:37:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.233834.968@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> zingale@crayxmp.lmsc.lockheed.com (Tom Zingale) writes:
>
>Looking for some filemaker pro example files that show off the
>capabilities of this program. 
>Good examples showing some of the obscure things it can do would be nice!!
>Do you know where to find any ?

You might try contacting Claris.  They are distributing a package called 'Pro 
Pack' which contains templates, scripts, and examples for most of their 
products including FileMaker Pro.  The package is either free or available at
nominal expense.

>Tom Z

Eric
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: Shariar Jahromi <shariar_jahromi@mentorg.com>
Subject: Re: 4th Dimension Info Requested
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:04:38 GMT
X-Xxdate: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:03:34 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics - MIS Europe

Subject: 4th Dimension Info Requested
From: William J. Bene, wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:13:39 GMT
In article <BtJDus.CEv@news.larc.nasa.gov> William J. Bene,
wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov writes:
>Is anyone using 4th Dimension in a multiuser environment?  Any
information on 
>4D would be highly appreciated, but I am specifically looking for info
on the 
>limitations of such a set up.  Such as how many connections can be made
to a 
>single database file, how does mutiple connections or large datasets
degrade 
>performance, or any other info that could be useful if considering to
use 4D.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Will
>
>=========================================================
>William J. Bene
>Computer Sciences Corporation
>wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov
>
>

We have just installed a pretty big Sales&Marketing product, developed in
4D, in Paris-France. At the moment, we use the Sales Dbase (around 8MB
and increasing daily) in a multi-user mode with 6 concurrent users. The
principal of multi-users is pretty simple. 4D maintains the login's of
all the users in a simple 2K file with the same name as the
database,suffixed with underscore symbol. So if database is called DBASE1
then the file is called DBASE1_. As far as I can ascertain,
theoratically, there is no limit on the number of on-line users. However:

Talking from an experience of a few months, I must say our biggest
headache is the performane.
The application runs on the Powerbook 170 with 8MB RAM. The dbase runs on
a Qudra-900 with 8MB RAM and 400MB H/D. However, since the Quadra
functions only as a "primitive file server" by every product enquiry,
around 5000 packet of data, like an army of ants, start marching across
the network. This causes the net. performance to reduce to a crawle pace.
We have done a lot of bench marking and done our best to optimize the
network. But if you are seriously considering using 4D in a multi-user
env., I'd advice you to wait until the 4D server is available.

We have some of the most powerfull machines that apple has to offer, and
a multi-million $ network and still with only 2 users doing some
simple,concurrent, product enquiry we are talking about an average
responce time of 50 Sec. and above.

I'm counting the days when we can have the 4D server running on the
quadra.

Shariar Jahromi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: pjyamamo@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Peter Yamamoto)
Subject: DH and the rest of the world...
Organization: MFCF
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:39:15 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Hi!

Our university is on a five year (or so) plan towards a "centralized"
data processing system. We are using DH in our department for a grad
database and it appears that we are probably one of the most electronicly
developed departments (being the CS department that's a relief to
hear!-).

The problem is or will be that the centralized database is going to be
an Oracle database.

Other than dump and load, does anybody have any experience or any idea
of how DH may be able to communicate with an Oracle database or some
other Oracle front-end application (or any other database/spreadsheet
for that matter)?

On a related note, what Oracle front-ends are there for the Mac?
[Please email answers/locations of FAQs or requests for summary].

Thanks,
Peter
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Published 'FileMaker Pro 2.0' Reviews?
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:46:13 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:

>I haven't seen any reviews of Filemaker Pro 2.0 yet but does anyone know
>if it or the current Filemaker Pro can handle PICT files?  I mean for use
>as a PICT database.
>-Terry

    There is a Picture field in the current version of FM Pro, and in
2.0 the Picture field will also be able to handle Sounds and Quicktime
movies.

--
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						   -- Durlock Holmes
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: Do you have filemaker pro examples with neat stuff
Date: 25 Aug 92 05:15:14 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
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In article <1992Aug22.233834.968@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> (comp.sys.mac.databases), zingale@crayxmp.lmsc.lockheed.com (Tom Zingale) writes:
> 
> Looking for some filemaker pro example files that show off the
> capabilities of this program. 
> Good examples showing some of the obscure things it can do would be nice!!
> Do you know where to find any ?

America Online has a fairly extensive collection of FileMaker databased.
You might want to check that out.

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