HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Ylem forum
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:14:21 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: LOCKHEED, Sunnyvale, CA


	YLEM - Artists Using Science and Technology
	    announces their next forum:

		ART AND PHYSICS    

	Wednesday, January 6, 7:30 pm
	McBean Theatre, The Exploratorium
	3601 Lyon Street, San Francisco, CA
	Info: Trudy Reagan 415-856-9593

	YLEM Forums are free and open to the public.  YLEM is a 
	group of people interested in Art and Science.  Anyone 
	with an interest in Art and/or Science is welcome!
	Come and meet some like minded Artomata...  

	This is also a FREE NIGHT at the Exploratorium so come early 
	and enjoy the exhibits!

	THE PROGRAM:

		Leonard Shlain, MD
	
			Shlain talks on his book of the same name (Art and
			Physics), showing many examples that had to be 
			omitted from the book.  Later he will discuss the
			Origin of the Left Brain.  At intermission we will
			talk with artists staging an exhibit in the lobby -
			artists whose work ties in with the lectures.

			The thesis of Leonard Shlain's book, Art and Physics,
			is unusual:

			   Art interprets the visual world, physics charts 
			   its workings - and so the two seem completely
			   opposed.  But in this brilliant piece of cultural
			   detective work, Shlain tracks their breakthroughs
			   side by side throughout history to reveal an 
			   astonishing coincidence of visions.

			   From classical Greek sculptors to Andy Warhol and 
			   Jasper Johns, and from Aristotle to Einstein, 
			   artists foreshadow the discoveries of scientists, 
			   sometimes by more than a century.

			   (Description from the book jacket.  Published by
			    Wm. Morrow and Co., Inc.  Available from Media
			    Magic, PO Box 598, Nicasio, CA 94946 )

	ART IN THE LOBBY:

		Kit Morrow Pravda :  computer photomontage

		Eugene Tsui       :  visionary architecture.

		Ken Rinaldo       :  interactive interspecies art

		Carter Emmart     :  3-D computer art

		Trudy Myrrh Reagan:  art exploring science concepts

		Jeff Murray       :   of the Holography Institute, art that
					is applied physics

		Therese Lahaie    :  glass sculptor

		A New Species of Form, videos about a 3-D optical illusion
		invented by Raymond Bareiss.

	-- and more!


	YLEM
	Box 749
	Orinda, California
	94563
From: spam@anarky.tch.org (The Godlike One)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: Gee, a test?  On ba.test?  Wow!
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:58:28 GMT
Organization: The Canned Ham, San Jose, CA.

ergazork@anarky.tch.org (Very Silly Party) writes:

> 
> This is a test.  (And if you have to be told that, then what the heck are 
> you doing reading this?  Shoo, shoo!)
> 
> Hmm...<TAP><TAP><TAP>  Is this thing on?  Testing, one, two, three...
> 
> o/~ Feeeeeeeeeeeeelings.....nothing more than....feeeeeeeeeeelings...o/~
> 
> Hmmm....well, if it's working, the Universe will explode in protest 
> simply to stop my singing....
> 
> 
> --
> Warning:  I am not sane.  All attempts at communication may result in a 
> loss of sanity and sudden urges to run naked through the streets.
> You have been warned.                   ergazork@anarky.tch.org


Ergy..  Your message's should be getting out.  
 
For example.  You will get several messages saying "we 
got it"  all automated..
From: donh@shakala.com (Don Hackler)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing... (imagine that!)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 17:11:08 PST
Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 408-734-2289

hello...

------------------------------------------------------------------
Don Hackler  - donh@shakala.com 
Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 408-734-2289
From: shimizu@tintin.UUCP (Dan Shimizu)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Test post using waffle1.65, doorway and nwreader (dos nn clone)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:17:30 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: tintin.UUCP system, San Francisco, CA 94110


This is a test post using waffle 1.65, doorway and nwreader

Dan Shimizu
tintin!shimizu@infoserv.com
shimizu@unix.sri.com

Posted 1/8/93
From: jleung@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Jarvis Leung)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: news test ucb
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:29:48 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <BzKBwF.4M7@unicom.uucp> carlos@unicom.uucp (Carlos Robinson) writes:
>This is only a test ....
>
>
>

a test
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: foote@mri.com (William Foote)
Subject: test
Organization: Microtec Research Inc., Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:33:48 GMT


testing 1 2 3 ...
From: jleung@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Jarvis Leung)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: newstest2
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:34:35 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Another test
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: park@isl (Sang Ju Park)
Subject: Test to outside SU
Organization: Information Systems Lab, Stanford University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:13:59 GMT

This is a test please ignore.


--
--- Sang Ju Park (park@isl.stanford.edu)
From: ergazork@anarky.tch.org (Very Silly Party)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Gee, a test?  On ba.test?  Wow!
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:26:32 GMT
Organization: The Canned Ham, San Jose, CA.


This is a test.  (And if you have to be told that, then what the heck are 
you doing reading this?  Shoo, shoo!)

Hmm...<TAP><TAP><TAP>  Is this thing on?  Testing, one, two, three...

o/~ Feeeeeeeeeeeeelings.....nothing more than....feeeeeeeeeeelings...o/~

Hmmm....well, if it's working, the Universe will explode in protest 
simply to stop my singing....


--
Warning:  I am not sane.  All attempts at communication may result in a 
loss of sanity and sudden urges to run naked through the streets.
You have been warned.                   ergazork@anarky.tch.org
From: carlos@infoserv.com (Carlos Dominguez)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test
Keywords: test again
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 00:24:02 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA

testing waffle with new password file and original static
From: edmahood@infoserv.com (Ed Mahood, Jr.)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Transmission Test
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:54:02 GMT
Organization: Writer
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13

Rich,

Here is the posting for GR Gircys as you requested.  Hope this works.


--------------

ed mahood, jr.   < edmahood@infoserv.com >

Newsgroups: ba.test
From: sgoldr@netcom.com (Stan Goldring (Abbott Labs))
Subject: Test test test
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:24:28 GMT

This is but a lowly test ...

---
Stan Goldring
Abbottt Labs
From: root@kong.mcco.COM (Operator)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing again
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:49:04 -0800
Organization: Miscellaneous Computing Company
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: kong.mcco.com

got to get rid of kong in the path
From: root@kong.mcco.com (Operator)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:09:51 -0800
Organization: Miscellaneous Computing Company
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: kong.mcco.com
Keywords: foo

test
From: root@kong.mcco.COM (Operator)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: this may work
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:31:48 -0800
Organization: Miscellaneous Computing Company
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: kong.mcco.com
Summary: test
Keywords: test work

this may work
From: robert@kong.mcco.COM (Robert Andrews)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:26:04 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Miscellaneous Computing Company
NNTP-Posting-Host: kong.mcco.com

Let's hope for a bounce
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Is this wrong, or what?
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:25:41 GMT

In article <0ff403sdc81i00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
    >Sorry, but it is also perfectly reasonable that the man knows
    >the witch-hunt mentality that exists on this subject; knows
    >that there are enough people like you and Mr. Ronzone in the
    >world who believe an accusation implies guilt;

Uh, an accusation does n ot imply guilt. A confession to three friends does!

BTW -- does this hold true for Clarence Thomas as well?



-- 
I believe Gennifer Flowers.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: ba.politics DRINKING GAME!
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:59:38 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:

}Read the articles in ba.politics from your favorite newsreader.
}TAKE A DRINK whenever:

I like it, but it's really much too complicated.  You only need one
rule:

Take a drink whenever Clayton Cramer uses the word "liberal".

Then you'll be so drunk after reading any ONE of his postings that you
just won't care about anything else.

--James Preston
From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Well, even Adolph had to start at thge bottom ...
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:14:59 GMT
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
|> flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham) writes:
|> >phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
|>     >This person was elected based on a platform. Was that the
|>     >same platform that he was using when he voted as he did in
|>     >the two council votes? What was his stated platform during
|>     >the elections?
|>     >
|>     >|> Now the essential point is that Merline is upset that her
|>     >views are not |> supported by a democratic process -- so she
|>     >tries a coercive process.
|>     >
|>     >How is the recall process that she is invoking coercive? If
|>     >it involves a popular vote, then her technique is democratic.
|> 
|> Interesting.
|> 
|> Now, in an imperfect world, no one of us will ever have all the facts.
|> 
|> BUT AT LEAST I'M POSTING USING SOME FACTS!!!

You brought up the subject.  If you want to convince me of your
interpretation of the facts, then I want to know all of the facts
to back up your interpretations.

|> And all I get is "well, it could be this, or it could be that...".

That is better than "it must be this" when you haven't even presented
all of the facts to support that conclusion.  I'm merely trying to
point out the ambiguities present in your supposedly "damning evidence".

|> This is a STUDENT election. Aren't faculty supposed to stay out of it?

Again.  You haven't presented all of the facts.  What exactly is her
role in that recall campain?  If she is filling out the paperwork
to actually approve the recall campaign without any student support,
then I would agree with you.  But I would definitely see that it was
within her role as a member of that academic community to publicly
decry his viewpoints and then to help organize the students that agreed
with her to use their democratic ability to recall him.  But, from
the rather vague facts you have presented on her role in this incident
I can't rule out either situation.

If you feel that the faculty should completely ignore any aspect of
this student based election then I would disagree.  Their roles as
educators should involve helping the students to realize the full
potential of the democratic power at their disposal.  But in doing
so, they shouldn't take an active role in administering or controlling
that democratic process.

				...jim
From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: evil cable companies
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:32:30 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb

In article <1992Dec30.181151.2798@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>Any other ideas on what we can do to bite these guys back ?

Don't subscribe?  I was pretty rude to the one salesman that came by
and they've never been back.

David Chase
Sun
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:39:41 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <13819@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:
>  So I will let
>you in on a little secret:  Many television stations actually
>broadcast their signals directly to the populace using VHF and
>UHF radio frequency allocations!  These signals can actually be
>received with common equipment which you may already have in
>your possesion.

But they can't be received everywhere.  When I first moved into
my Livermore house a couple of years ago, I couldn't get a single
TV station on my television, no matter how I adjusted the antenna.
The house owners won't allow me to install a rooftop antenna (and I'm
not certain how much that would help in any case), so the only way
to watch TV is to use cable.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Is this wrong, or what?
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:40:56 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <0ff403sdc81i00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> }In article <b0bC035Qc7Bq00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
# }# Secondly, even if I assume that the man was guilty, I wouldn't really
# }# be outraged at what you describe.  The man clearly was a valuable
# }# employee of the company; why shouldn't they honor him for that service?
# }# What does his child molestation have to do with what he did for the
# }# company?  Oh, I might question the appropriateness of so honoring him,
# }# given that he molested a daughter of an employee, and I might suggest
# }# that the medal wasn't really proper under those circumstances, but I
# }# don't think I would be outraged.
# 
# }Of course not.  You aren't outraged about child molestation.  WHAT
# }IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?  You must not know any of the victims
# }of this sort of thing.
# 
# True.  Which is why I am able to be reasonable and rational in my
# approach to the situation, rather than to emotionally knee-jerk and
# assume the worst as you do.  Look at it this way:  Suppose, just SUPPOSE
# for an instant that the unthinkable happens and you, Clayton, are
# unjustly and completely falsely accused of child molestation.  Who
# would you rather have on your jury, someone like me who waits for all
# the facts before making a conclusion, or someone like you and Phil who
# assume that arrest equals guilt?  
# 
# --James Preston

Arrest plus self-execution equals guilt.  A person who denies the
charges is demonstrating that, at a minimum, he is concerned
enough about his reputation to fight back.  A person who saves the
government the cost of a cell and trial isn't concerned about his
reputation in the least.

I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty, or until
they confess.  Suicide when those sort of charges are pending against
you is a form of confession.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 08:54:32 PST

In <5776@gold.gvg.tek.com>, Michael P. Anderson writes:

>In article <ubrtf2c@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:

>>But in every place I've gotten cable service, the cable provider
>>was a monopoly.  I couldn't punish one provider for bad service
>>by going to another one.  A political solution is possibly the
>>only one in this case.

>Yes, monopoly is the problem. But finding a political solution is nigh
>impossible when some say "give them competition!" and some say "make them
>a government agency!" and some say "regulate them as privates!"

I'm torn on this one.  Regulation goes against every bone in my libertarian
body, but unregulted monopolies can be horrendous.  In this case, I might be
inclined to support regulations (which guarantee that a reasonable profit
can be made) to avoid rates bordering on usury.

BTW, I live in a condo with a HOA that has 450+ units.  We're looking into
providing our own private cable service within the complex.  I'd even pay a
few dollars more per month to screw the cable company if the extra money were
genuinely needed to cover expenses.

>I say regulate them as a utility, and get the PUC involved.

Well, only if there isn't competition.  There are a few cities which *do* have
competition.  As long as anti-trust laws are enforced in those cities, the
competition will be far more effective than regulation.

>One more thing. Banking should be a utility as well.

Huh?  Banking isn't a monopoly.  Banking isn't a "utility."  We already have
anti-trust laws; they just need to be used accordingly.  And "money in the
bank" has never been a sure thing, any more than 100 shares of IBM is a sure
thing.  Any financial institution which receives public monies should have to
submit to the regulations, but private institutions which do NOT receive tax
dollars should not be forced to operate under them.


Tim Irvin
*****************************************************************************

Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Sounds like Democracy to me. (Was Re: Well, even Adolph had to start at thge bottom ...
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:57:26 GMT

In article <1icjtmINNnsn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins)) writes:
    >I need to know and understand what his first year of voting
    >was like. He may have, in your terms, voted PC all of the
    >time, as least appeared to do so. But now in his second term,
    >he has made some changes in his voting and it was not as he
    >advertised. This is a completely believable scenario.

As a conservative and Republican, his votes made sense. Note that he is
subject to this action NOT because of claims of voting not per his
campaign promises, but because his votes, legal, legitimate votes,
were deemed politically incorrect.

    >>The SJMN reported a situation. If you have FACTS that are at
    >>odds with what it said of what I posted, then bring them on.
    >>If you can't deal with FACTS, keep your fantasies and ad
    >>hominiem attacks to yourself.
    >>
    >No you obviously do not understand how journalism works in
    >today's market. I have very good and close friends on the SFC
    >editorial staffs and they have links to other papers- SJMN as
    >one of them. And we have conversations about how stories are
    >prepared in order to satisfy certain political bents and
    >viewpoints. The only story that would not is one quoted
    >verbatim from the source without any commentary or story
    >telling additions.

You still have NO other facts, right? Just a lot of what if.
And in any case, it still is legal to directly quote something on something
they never ever said, if you have "reasonable belief" that it is something
they may have said. Although I think the USC is reviewing that again.
Pretty outrageous, eh?



-- 
I believe Gennifer Flowers.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay)
Subject: Re: Cable TV: Disorganized Crime, Was: Re: dangerous group
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:29:40 GMT

In article <13818@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:
>
>Much of the schlock on AMC, HBO, etc. is duplicated by the
>terrestrial based stations.  Those whos addictions are severe
>can receive transmissions through earth orbiting transponders.
>


Your ridiculous attitude makes it about not worth responding to,
but just for the record, AMC shows old movies, many of which
are not broadcast by other stations.  They also don't run
commercials.  I don't take HBO, but not everything they show is
shlock.  Show me some of your interests, and we'll see what's
shlock.


-- 
John Altinbay   -   altinbay@netcom.com
===============================================================
There's a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me
My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end.
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Why Do We Have Separate Restrooms? (WAS Re: Gays, the military...)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:35:18 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1993Jan6.030116.1968@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <1ickojINNo5t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins)) writes:
>    >Interesting to me are the cases of people knowing someone,
>    >working with them, liking them, etc. then they find out they
>    >are gay- and bang, they reactive training kicks in and
>    >suddenly they are uncomfortable or disgusted. It all comes
>    >down to conduct and behavior no matter what the person does
>    >it their private and public life.
>    >
>    >It is two-faced or hypocritical to like someone as you
>    >currently know them, then to suddenly not like them becuase
>    >of something you learn about them that has no harm or context
>    >in your own life, as long as all conduct is on the up and up.
>
>a. what if this likable guy etc. turns out to have been convicted and served
>   time as a child molestor? Twice! As an adult, it is of no possible
>   harm to you. Do you still like this guy in exactly the same way?
>
>

Where is b.?

You don't need to enumerate if there is only one thing or point.

Well I was talking about being gay, not being a molestor or murderer
or rapist etc. etc.  

And I made the statement 'as long as all conduct is on the up and up' and
I also made the statement;

 It all comes down to conduct and behavior no matter what the person does
 it their private and public life.

Meaning that it is conduct and behavior which may be used to determine if
you suddenly or initially do not like another person.

I wish people could stay within the scope of the arguments.  This molestor
rapist, murderer, etc. stuff is simply the releasing of the old red herring.

Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Speaking ill
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 13:29:44 PST

In <1993Jan6.192918.23108@gordian.com>, Michael A. Thomas writes:

>  Yes, but you have to take action (ie join) the republican party.
>As far as I know, you still don't have to send away for your Queer Card.

You don't have to "officially" pay dues to the RNC and register as a Republican
to vote GOP either.  But that's picking nits.

Anyway, that's when the people who became Republicans either (a) denounce the
actions; (b) accept the tag as "racist assholes," or (c) get the hell out of
the party.  After the Pat & Pat show in Houston last August, I chose (c),
writing a nasty letter to the RNC requesting that my membership be terminated
and re-registering as a Libertarian.


Tim Irvin
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