From: dtriplett@udel.edu (Daniel C. Triplett)
Subject: Re: The Valeyard and The Keeper WAs: The Valeyard's true goals
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:36:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.051155.19411@nmsu.edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes...
>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>Whoa!!                                
>>One moment!!                                                    
>>The Valeyard and the Keeper wre/are one ?  I have nothing to prove that.
>>Theory: The Valeyard did a Master. 
>>Any disagreements?
>Not at all. In fact that was the whole point of my first post; EVERYTHING
>that the Valeyard said and did was to allow him to do this.
>Here is the third rewrite of my first post{and THIS one covers all valid points
>ESPECIALLY the incarnation/regeneration issue.}
>[Lots of stuff deleted]... 
>Now to the Valeyard's REAL goals.  The Master and the Valeyard BOTH conferm 
>that the Valeyard is the Doctor's last NORMAL incarnation (His 14th).  As the 
>the Doctor's 14th incarnation the Valeyard already KNOWS how the trial and 
>events around it will end.  Everything, the trial of his sixth incarnation, 
>the request for the remaining regenerations, the Valeyard's ranting about
>wanting to be free of the Doctor, and the threat to the Time Lords 
>in the trial are part of a huge smokescrean for his REAL goal: to duplicate 
>the Master's non-fatal 13th regeneration trick.  But still being the Doctor he 
>still, in his own way, wants to best the Master.  He not only wants the ONE  
>extra incarnation that a body would give him, but also to obtain extra 
>regenerations and for everyone, INCLUDING the Master, to believe that the 
>Valeyard is dead.
	How do we know that the Valeyard knows the outcome of the trial?
In all the past meetings of two or more Doctors, they most current has
not known the outcome.  In the Five Doctors all the Doctors after Hartnell/
Hurndell's Doctor should have know exactly what was going on.  And in the
Two Doctors Colin's Doctor should have know he would meet himself there
after the events on the Space Station...  (btw...  this is not a flame.  I'm
interested in hearing a potential explanation...).

>His hijacking of the Keeper of the Matrix body serves all these goals. The 
>Valeyard most likely had access of the number of regnerations each member of 
>the trial had left and choose the Keeper of the Matrix as the best to 'grab' 
>in the comfusion of escaping the courtroom.  As a result the Valeyard not only 
>pulls off the non-fatal 13th regeneration trick but get some extra 
>regenerations in the bargin.  As Keeper of the Matrix he can more easily edit 
>the Matrix and plug any holes in his 'death' and the Master, believing the 
>Valeyard dead, will bother the previous incarnations of the Valeyard/Doctor.
>As to the apperence of the Time Lord after this non-fatal 13th regeneration, 
>in Keeper of Traken the Master transforms the body he grabs from a white 
>haired fully bearded man to a blacked haired man that is very like his last 
>incarnation. So WHY could the Doctor's possesion of the Keeper of the Matrix 
>NOT have the same result? If this is a result of pulling off the non-leathal 
>13th regeneration then the Valeyard's threat can also be seen as a
>misdirection so no one will take a close look at the Keeper of the Matrix 
>until the Valeyard has time to put his new body through another regeneration 
>and change his appearence. 
> 
	I had always thought that the Master was able to steal Tremas' body
because of the knowledge and power he stole through becomming the keeper
of Traken. Remember that the Keeper was able to appear to the Doctor in the
TARDIS - Until then, only Gaurdians (that I know of) have had the power to
do that.  

>As far as the way it appears on screen remember that the Keeper of Traken 
>(Consul Tremas) and the Master 15th incarnation are played by the same man,  
>and there was one more episode of the season to tie this incarnation with 
>Consul Tremas through the credits.  With the Ultimate Foe this non-leathal 
>13th regeneration must be shown in few seconds on screen (As it is the last 
>show of the season)  and the credits are only for James Bree as 'Keeper of the 
>Matrix' and not Michael Jayston.  So we get Michael Jayston dressed as the the 
>Keeper of the Matrix to inply the non-fatal 13th regeneration al la 'Keeper of 
>Traken' for dramatic effect. 
> 
>It is a nice theory and fits most of what has been origninally shown and said 
>on screen.
> 
>Comments welcome
> 
>The Doctor Who Programme Guide is (C) 1989 and ISBN 0-426-20342-9
>My Ultimate Foe cover is gone so I don't know what its ISBM number is.
>(A yard sale is NOT the best place for getting books.)

	BTW...  if _The Gallifrey Chronicles_ are to be believed (not that
I'm implying that they are canon) then a Time Lord could potentialy 
regenerate an infinite number of times, provided his system remained
"compatable" to the genetically engineered "virus" that allows them
to regenerate.  
	How could one "steal" the remaining regenerations from a Time Lord?

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Daniel C. Triplett (dtriplett@loyola.edu)
	"Call here for help.  That's what I do.  I let the little children
sleep safely at night because I've searched through all the shadows and
chased the baddies away.  I'm what monsters have nightmares about."
						- Paul Cornell
						_Love and War_