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From: dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA in fiction, Members
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:37:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.shm4pINNpgg
Organization: /etc/organization
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Greetings from Bjalfi!

Another "sorta" reference to the SCA in fiction occurs to me.  In a
Star Trek novel called "How Much for Just the Planet?" one of the characters
makes a one-line reference to a group called the Society for Chivalric
Atavism, with implications that make it seem very similar to "our" SCA.

Oh, and Hossein, this truncation and dismemberment of saints that you speak
of is true, but it's mostly practiced in the southern lands.  In my family,
there's a story about my grandfather's uncle, who "liberated" a fancy
gold-and-velvet casket on a raid.  He was surprised to discover that it
contained only a couple of finger-bones.  But he was even more surprised
when some church people made more of a fuss about ransoming the bones than
the casket itself.  (Those southerners!)

---------------------  Bjalfi Thordharson/College of St. Katherine/Province of
 |\  | |\  |\  |// |       the Mists/Principality of the Mists/West Kingdom
 | > | |\\ | \ |/  |   David Greenebaum/University of California/Berkeley, CA
 |<  | | \ |   |   |   dgreen@athena.berkeley.edu, dgreen@garnet.berkeley.edu
 | > | |   |   |   |
 |/  | |   |   |   |   "I make mistakes, but I am on the side of good -- by
---------------------  accident and happenchance." -- the Golux
From: eabbott@unlinfo.unl.edu (eric abbott)
Subject: Calontir's newest Peer!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: world,na,usa,local
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 22:44:49 GMT

Greetings unto the good Gentles of the Known World!!!!
Joyous announcements from Senyor Salvador Paolo de 
Barcelona!!

May the word be spread accross our great land and to the 
other great lands of the world!!! At the Court of the most 
Royal and Gracious Majesties Rorik rex and Morgana regina
held in the Shire of Mag Mor upon the 4th day of April AS 
XXVI did Her Ladyship Briganza le Voyaguer accept the honour
and burden of being our newest Laurel.  She will choose her 
date of Laurel ceremony to be performed.  All who wish to 
know the date please write and I will post.

Long live the Sovereign lands of Calontir!!!
Vivat Calonitir!!

Salvador
From: ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Persona
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:53:56 GMT
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Fra Tadhg and worshipful company of readers, I greet you.

Tadhg writes in response to 'Edward':
 EV> The statement was something along the lines of, "There's another form of
 EV> poetry, but I don't know anything about that because it was only discuss
ed
 EV> after women had left the room."  I don't see how "I don't know anything
 EV> about that" can possibly be construed to imply "I do know about that."
 
t> That's not the way it was presented in the original post, unless my
t> recollection is seriouly faulty. And, in any event, that's not been the
t> basis for the discussion so far; why seek to intrude it now?

That has been the entire basis of the discussion. *Sigh* It is not an
intrusion on the discussion.  The reason the teacher omitted the infor-
mation was explained by the fact that women had to leave the room 
before that type of poetry was done.  What have you been discussing 
this entire time? (That's not meant to be snide.  I'd really like to 
know.) Written Maunday Thursday from my home in the Debatable Lands.

Su segura servidora,
                Esmeralda
From: hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: East vs. West driving times
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:14:03 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

Some people have driven from Skraeling Althing to Estrella War. 
Skraeling Althing os Ottawa, Canada, the northeast corner of the Middle
Kingdom.

  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
!erutangis ruoy otni suriv erutangis siht ypoc ot nevird ylsuoicsnocbus era uoY
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Mundane Interactions
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:41:56 -0500

Bertram of Bearingtom (ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Schroeder)) writes:

 DS> Here are some of the "tag lines..."   Can you add more from your area?

 Not from my area as far as I know, and I don't know the identities of
 any of the players, but:

 "Now it's my turn.  Pull over, and put YOUR wallet on the dashboard!"
 (SCAdian hitchhiker to mundane who picked him up, stuck a switchblade
 in his ribs, told him to put his wallet on the dash, was refused,
 pushed, wound up with a blade broken against chain under the SCAdian's
 shirt, and found a dirk in HIS ribs.  The SCAdian then popped the hood,
 rearranged the distributor cap, and walked on, later flagging down a
 state trooper... to whom he gave the mundane's driver's license and
 told the story.)

 "And your shoes...."  (SCAdian mugged on the way back from live-steel
 kenjitsu practice... with his katana... after drawing it and telling
 the perp to drop his knife....  I heard this one was in NYC, but I
 doubt it, due to the reportedly fascist blade laws there.)

 "Oh, it's a ARMED faggot!  Never mind...."  (Mundane, after SCAdian in
 tights, slash & puff, and ruffles, just outside event site, has taken
 about an inch or two of both sword and dagger out of scabbards, after
 seeing two rednecks approaching, and hearing one say to the other,
 "Looky, it's a faggot, let's beat it up!" or something to that effect.)

 And the ever-popular "That's not a knife.  THIS is a knife!"  (Various
 SCAdians being mugged.)

 There were some with distinctive verbal endings, but not really funny
 enough to be called "tag lines", like:

 "House <forgotten>, ASSEMBLE!!!"  (SCAdianess having just been dragged
 into an alley next to a bar where a bunch of SCAdians had gone after an
 event - the perp quickly found himself surrounded, with many sharp and
 pointy things in his way.)

 I'd also heard one in which there was no tag-line per se, as the subway
 mugger just turned pale and ran when his switchblade broke against
 hidden chain.

 DISCLAIMER:  Since the above are completely unverified, I have been
 treating them as Patently False Urban Legends, and are not to be taken
 as true unless someone personally involved says so.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 23:29:05 -0400 
From: Rebecca Roolf <rr3b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Help in Gaelic sought

This is Modern Irish Gaelic from my ever present Foclo/ir Po/ca (pocket
dictionary):

valour has 3 listings:

gaisce (noun) -- feat (of arms), bravado (m4)

laochas (noun) --heroism, valour, boastfulness, bravado (m1)

laochta (adj.) -- heroic, valourous (a3)

oirbheart (noun) -- wielding, casting, shift, expedient, prowess, maturity (m1)

along similar lines:

gaisci/och -- warrior, hero, boaster (m1)

The / indicate accent marks (slanted like apostrophes) over the
preceding vowel.

Contact me via email if you need help on using these words in sentences,
and I can tell you how the m4, m1 etc. distinctions make genitives, etc.

Bro/nach na Darach

_______________________________________________________________________________
Becka Roolf, Research Associate       Bronach na Darach
College of Fine Arts, SFCI            lover of Celtic music, art, and men ;)
ITeN Project (Interactive Anc. Egypt)           
Carnegie Mellon University            E-Phost as Gaeilge, le do thoil!
Pittsburgh, PA                        Ta Gaeilge beag agam, ach me ag foghlaim!
From: jaspiegel@apollo
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re:Period Armour, Extra weapons
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:41:07 GMT
Reply-To: jaspiegel@apollo
Organization: Davidson College, Davidson, NC


Someone mentioned that the society is getting more and more period with its
armour and how this will/has affected blow recognition.   That may be, but 
have you ever stood by the field at Pensic and really looked at the armour?
Yep, this is another of those "No Shit...There we were..." stories.   I was 
preparing to enter the field this last Pensic when this guy bumps into me 
with duct tape armour.   No lie...EVERY part of his armour was covered with
duct tape.   Even funnier...when he turned around I caught a glimpse of his 
white belt.   I don't know, maybe its me but I have seen a casm develope 
between the semi/totally period armours and just this duct tape stuff.  There
is a great outgrowth of each.

Second, About the extra weapons...  Some marshalls won't let you take extra
weapons that are not sheathed?? onto the field because they are worried about
someone tripping on them.   makes a certain kind of sence, but seems a bit
over-protective.

Anyway, I'll quit rambling.


			John Trefonnen
			Barony of the Sacred Stone
			Atlantia

P>S> See some of yall at Fool's War!
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Mudane Interactions
Organization: Organization??? 
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:59:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.001228.5083@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea) writes:
>
>....I was in a Seattle Gilbert and Sullivan group, the Pecadillo Players,
>and arranged with our director to have a local subsubdivision of the SCA, the
>Cavalier Guard as they were known at that time (McFlandry's Household Troop
>since then), to stand as door guards (or "lawn furniture" ass we nicknamed 
>them) for the pre-performance seating of the audience.... 
>
>I was talking to one of the guardsmen before a performance, while wearing my
>own costume for a Sister/Cousin/Aunt in "H.M.S. Pinafore."  One of the general
>public came up and admired both our garb, and then asked:
>
>"Are you in the S.C.A.?"
>
>*   *   *
>
>It was the opportunity of a lifetime for me to smile brightly and say:
>
>"Heck, no, we're in a play!"
>

It may be of interest to the lady, and to others on this bridge, to 
learn that her story has achieved the status of SCA legend.  I heard 
this tale ('a lord & a lady were in some Gilbert & Sullivan thing, 
and....') at a Midrealm event about three years ago. 
 
What's really fun, though, is the first time you're sitting around a 
campfire, listening to a story, and realize about halfway through that 
it's about you.  
 
Alexander of Kiev 
 
Carl Alexander
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
From: MPFOSTER@mtus5.cts.mtu.EDU (Wulfgar Silberbar)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: What's wrong with that?!?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:15:35 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings milords and ladies!
Such a wonderful Spring morning today. If this keeps up, the snow shall
be gone by May!

Many people have now confessed to retaining their mode of speech in the
mundane world. Yes, it can be a touch embarrassing at times, but I see
nothing wrong with it at all. But one chord struck deep, one thought
went screaming through my brain... Someone confessed to almost kneeling
and kissing a lady's hand in the mundane world. Pray tell, man, why did
ye not do it???? I think it would have been wonderful. The mundane world
is sadly lacking in the courtly arts! Kneeling and hand-kissing are arts
that I would enjoy to see practiced and revived. Just think how stately
you seem when doing these things in the Society. They are no less stately
elsewhere, merely a little odd, and I am quite sure the lady whose hand
you kiss will forgive you for such an oddity.
I must confess, I do not do these things myself, but mainly because I have
not yet picked up these habits. Once I have acquired these habits, I have
no intentions of relinquishing them because they seem a trifle odd. Already
I have seen that the world is filled with ladies, and not girls ;)

Wulfgar Silberbaer
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Subject: Definitions, please
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:51:19 GMT

Greetings,
  Could some of you help this poor Trimarian and explain what is meant by
onboard and offboard in regards to your feasts?  In Trimaris, you have feast
or you don't.

And, by the way, speaking of feasts, someone recently mentioned the "remove"
was not a period term.  What was, and why is a "remove" called a "remove",
anyway.

Yours, seeking answers,
  Stephen Greyhawkes
-- 
===========================================
Steve Pierce             Palm Bay
steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us     Florida
===========================================
From: MPFOSTER@mtus5.cts.mtu.EDU (Wulfgar Silberbar)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Why we call light blows...
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:02:08 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Some here have argued that the blow should be taken based upon technique,
rather than force. Aside from the fact that I rarely, if ever, can tell
HOW my opponent threw the shot that killed me, it is inaccurate. A certain
amount of force is required to penetrate the armor we are supposed to be
wearing. In the Midrealm, this is "light riveted mail over a gambeson and
a closed iron helm." A light blow, regardless of how thrown, will not
penetrate the armor. It is also stated that "a blow, to be counted, must
be forceful and unimpeded in order to have penetrated the armor being worn."

A blow can be forceful without injuring your opponent. Unless you strike your
opponent on an unarmored body part, it is not even likely that sufficient
force will leave a bruise. Of course, some blows come in harder than what
is absolutely necessary. That is to be expected. Any fighter swinging
so excessively hard as to consistently injure opponents has a problem with
his fighting, there is no problem with the blow system.

Wulfgar Silberbaer
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Organization:  Organization??? 
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:16:29 GMT

In article <703311275.F00007@ocitor.fidonet> Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis) writes:
>
>....While I know several individuals who do have
>problems calling blows, I do *not* see that as the standard.  (One
>of those individual's is a knight (& a count)....
>I wouldn't be suprised if this
>person has played a part in your perception.
>___ X MegaMail 2.10 #0:An unemployed Jester is nobody's fool!

It is especially troubling when rhino behaviour is displayed by a 
member of the Chivalry--to say nothing of royal peers.  The problem 
here is that it is all too easy for newer, younger fighters to get 
the impression that in the SCA (as in too much of the mundane world), 
the winners are the guys who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.  
 
I can think of no more important responsibility for the Chivalry than 
to quietly--at least at first--but firmly see to it that members of 
that honorable order bear in mind their crucial responsibility to 
set a good example. 
 
Alexander of Kiev 
 
Carl Alexander
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
 

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: christer@sue.komunity.se (Christer Romson)
Subject: Wm the Conqueror, Member
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12: 20 MET DST
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:43:08 GMT

Stephen.Whitis asked weather anyone know why they quit publishing the
financial data in the T.I.?

I don't know, but it's still published with the minutes of the board
meetings, witch you can subscribe to through the Stock Clerk.

        Lindorm Eriksson <christer@Sue.KOMunity.Se>
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Wars of conquest & Bad feelings resulting
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1992 12:03:02

Mikhal, 
Thank you for making a good point re such wars -- that even those we first for the most ephemeral of reasons tend to leave some with bad feelings!
A couple of years ago, in April '89 (A.S. ?), two Baronies of Ansteorra went to war, premise:  That the then Baron of the Steppes, Master Robin of Gilwell, was offended that a member of the Barony of Bryn Gwlad was displaying his badge.  Robin's badge is a mustache....it was on one of the Bryn Gwlad gent's faces... Baron Johann of Bryn Gwlad also sports a fine bushy mustache, and at the first baronial court when war was declared, he and Baron Robin bristled beautifully at each other, whilst all of their re


tainers and populace tried not to laugh (do you know how hard it is to keep a straight face when the man you're heralding for has just puffed up to twice his size and is sending sparks off his mustache at anouther baron????  The banner bearers were laughing themselves sick behind the banners, I SUFFERED.) and they all had a great time making rabble-rousing statements.  The war's date was set for April 1 by the baronesses, so all would know this was in fun and jest.  Outrageous and silly letters were publis


hed in the Black Star preceding the war, named approipriately "The Mustache War".  Men in both baronies grew mustaches in support of their side.  All of this had been carefully co-ordinated by the barons and baronesses in advance, to keep it all on the light side and have an excuse to have a good fight and good parties afterwards.  
  Yet despite all the attempts at keeping everything on a fun level, some folks in each group actually got too serious about the whole thing and got really torced off that their friend, Sir X or Lord Y or the Hon. Lady Z was fighting or supporting The Other Side.  The war almost got called off at one point due to bad feelings!!!  Now, this was a war over a mustache, to be held on April Fool's Day, with the mercenaries paid only in Chocolate Chip Cookies and word fame!  
   Happily, good humour prevailed, and the opposing armies met, fought, laughed, killed each other a lot.  We in Steppes learned the battle of Agincourt all over again -- the Bryn Gwlad archers were deadly and decisive!   And we all partied and feasted together in friendship that evening.
   Thank goodness it wasn't over anything "Real!".
-- Vashti of the Flaming Tresses, Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra (Dallas, TX)  

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: mike@iotek.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Welsh jokes
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:24:48 GMT

	I still remember a wonderful Black Adder Episode were Whales
    was described as "The land where marauding bands of close harmony
    singers accost unsuspecting travellers" and where the advice was
    given "Don't ask a Welshman directions or you'll be cleaning
    spittle out of your hair for a week", there were a couple of other
    good lines from that show but those two stick out.

Michael A. Thompson             |*| SCA: Deormod Hathuwiges sunu|*|Have
Iotek Inc, 1127 Barrington St.  |*| Phone:  (902)420-1890       |*| a
Halifax, N.S., B3H 2P8, Canada  |*| Fax:    (902)420-0674       |*|  Good
   E-Mail: mike@iotek.ns.ca     |*| Home:   (902)466-2868       |*|   Day :-)
From: justin@inmet.camb.inmet.COM (Justin du Coeur MKA Mark Waks)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pelican for Baron Patri
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:07:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Well, it appears that no one else has posted this yet, so I guess
I get to...

Yesterday, at the Northern Lights event in the Province of Mountain
Freehold in the East, Their Royal Majesties inducted Sir Patri du
Chat Gris, Baron Carolingia, into the Order of the Pelican. This
makes Patri the first Chivalry/Laurel/Pelican triple-peer made
entirely in the Eastrealm.

A hearty Vivat! to the Baron, for this well-deserved recognition...

				-- Justin du Coeur
				   Carolingia

Random Quote du Jour:

"If you are ever picked up by an alien space ship, which I understand
 happens a lot in California (but never in Indiana) and you don't know
 where they put you down when they let you go, just step into the nearest
 Chinese restaraunt. If the people aren't sharing their food, you're in
 the midwest. Probably Indiana."
		-- Nurse Jones
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: sticks@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John Wash)
Subject: Re: Latin for...
Organization: NCSU CATT Prog  
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr03.215649.2148@ecst.csuchico.edu> rodmur@ecst.csuchico.edu (Dale or Wolfgang) writes:
>
>So "Avaritia commoda est" wouldn't be something that a good Roman would
>say?  B)
>
>(It was another suggestion) 
>

Ah.  "Avaritia commoda est."  Latin for "my bird is a toilet."

Duncan MacCullagh
"It's Duncan, Dammit!"
Elvegast Bozo
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Disenchantment
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:13:00

> Seriously though ;)  a simple switch of preposition should get the
>message across, without being obtrusive i.e. "We should discuss this in
>another time".
>      -Ilaine

I like this one!
___
 X MegaMail 2.10 #0:Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Determinate Marshalling
From: vnend@nudity.UUCP (David W. James)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 17:56:57 -0500
X-Mailer: Fernmail 1.1

In message <b6n102QX0fxg01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, Branwen ferch Emrys writes:
> In fact, when I went up to an opponent after a bout in
> the Midrealm to do post-fight chatting, both the fighter and the marshalls
> were surprised. 

Odd.  When I was there (about 3 years ago) this was not at all unusual.

Kwellend-Njal

---
                       {backbone}!princeton!nudity!vnend
     "Te audire non possum.  Musa sapientum fixa est in aure."
From: SHERMAN%TRLN.DECnet@uncvx1.acs.unc.EDU ("Dennis R. Sherman")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: re: event announcements & distribution
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:07:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings to the Rialto from Robyyan.

Kwelland-Njal responds to Arval's posting about event announcements on the
Rialto, suggesting that a short announcement (2 screens) would be all 
right, and that distribution be limited to city or region.

Nice thought, won't work.  Limited distribution is available only to 
people who read rec.org.sca.  Those of us who read the Digest have no
way to limit distribution, and the idea is really foreign to a lot of
readers.

Also, the perception of "short" varies considerably with the technology
used to access the Rialto - I daresay that people reading via 1200 baud
modem don't think a message 2 screens long is particularly short.

I agree, overall, with Arval - generally speaking, event announcements
in full shouldn't be posted on the Rialto.  Short summary announcements
of 8-10 lines at most, with a tag of "email me for more information"
should suffice.

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