From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:59:18 GMT

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl):
:- |> 	1. i do not advocate voting down r.m.h. (i am not planning to
:- |> 	   vote no - i am still looking for someone who will tell me how
:- |> 	   h-d motorcycling is different from the rest so maybe i can
:- |>|> 	   vote yes).
:- 
:- Oh well...
:- The weary, downtrodden potential voter, anxious not to miss _any_ possibly
:- _decisive_ argument for or against the proposal, courageously stems the tide
:- of inflowing data...

	how about an answer for once?

:- However, it just _might_ be fruitful to readjust the preprocessing filter a 
:- little, namely:
:- 
:- |> i am still looking for someone who will tell me how
:- |> 	   h-d motorcycling is different from the rest
:- 
:- This is a fact non-relevant to the question at hand.

	this is where we differ. do you not think that if h-d
	motorcycling is the same as the rest, then discussions relating
	to it belong to rec.moto? if there is one newsgroup that already
	serves the purpose why create a new one? the only reason i can
	see is harley-flaming. i want to know if there are other
	reasons. does that sound facetious?

:- IN NO WAY DOES THE CREATION OF NEW GROUP HAVE TO BE JUSTIFIED ON THE BASIS OF
:- A DIFFERENCE TO ONE OR SEVERAL ALREADY EXISTING GROUPS.

	see above.

:- |> 	3. what i do want however is for h-d riders to use rec.moto as a
:- |> 	   forum for discussion since i feel they are valued by quite a
:- |> 	   few people who read rec.moto,
:- 
:- We do appreciate the esteem of our dear readership...
:- Just like the prisoners in Siberia appreciated that Stalin esteemed their 
:- part in the building of the Soviet Union...

	stalin was one person, whereas rec.motorcycles is a newsgroup. to
	assign a character to it based on the behaviour of some of its
	readers is IMO inaccurate.

:- |> and also that r.m would be a
:- |> 	   sufficient forum for discussion.
:- 
:- It's a free world;youhave the right to your opinion, and I have the right to
:- mine.

	thanks for granting me at least that! ;)

:- The only question remaining is whether you have the right to deprive me [..]
:- forum where I can express myself in a way I like, with people I like, in a 
:- setting I like....

	i, as an individual, have NO MEANS of depriving you of your
	forum. as the people who deigned usenet maybe thought (as did maybe
	those that designed the concept of democracy), "the majority is
	always right" and if this majority (that is assumed to be right)
	chooss to vote down the group, you may well have yourself to
	blame for not providing cohesive arguements in favour of
	the creation of the group. if your case is against the idea that
	the majority choice must be right, do not blame that on me. if
	your case is against me being part of the majority that might
	vote the group down, i have already answered that.

:- Where we have note that the creation of such a forum would not infringe upon
:- yoursorothers rights.Since those that have left will not come back to rec.mot

	that is sufficient reason to not vote no, but hardly enough to
	vote yes.

	its a simple question really.

	do you want to create rec.m.h because:

	1. flaming of harleys in r.m a year and a half ago.
	2. flaming of harleys in r.m even now.
	3. h-dmotorcycling is different from the rest.
	4. you hate jap bikes.
	5. some or all of the above. (if some, specify).

	not included as a choice: 6. because. of course you *do not
	have* to answer this.

	happy riding,

	- ravi


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