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From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: getting back on track, rev. B
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:01:39 GMT

In article <1690@blue.cis.pitt.edu> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>Back on the 3rd I mentioned that I was trying to "get back on
>track" after a bad holiday period.  Well, after a week of
>
>I'm open to suggestions ...


Congratulations for not giving up. Human beings are the most amazingly
adaptable creatures! You are showing this by trying something new
when the old thing stops working.

Here's the advice: Can you try some kind of indoor exercise
until you are able to move to a better walking spot? If you can
get into the habit of exercising in the living room, it will tide
you over, and it will always
come in handy on rainy days when you can't walk ANYwhere. 

Also, maybe programming "living room = exercise" into your mind will
replace "living room = sofa and food." That's what's happening
to me, anyway. I now associate TV with situps, to some degree. Weird!

Another advice is to go ahead and try some different kind of
eating. As a musician, I learned that the way to practice a new
piece of music is to break it down into phrases and practice
each one separately. Only when each piece is under control does
the musician start putting a few of the pieces together at a time
into small groups, eventually getting the whole piece together.

So what does this have to do with eating. Well, there are different
things you can do that are part of the total picture. Have you
stopped eating all fats? Have you started exercising
regularly? etc. I have found there are too many things to concentrate
on them all at once. But after awhile, some parts become automatic
(like avoiding lots of cheese on pizza, yuck) and I can start
thinking about adding another part of the piece, like cutting
down on straight sugars.


PHILOSOPHICAL INTERLUDE:

Some of us just crave variety for its own sake.

Also, remember you are not the same person you were when you
started your original diet routine. (This goes for all areas of
life, too, I've found: what was the ideal career five years
ago may not be the ideal career now; what I wanted to do yesterday
is not the same as what I want to do today.) Remember you are free
to define yourself in any way you want to, starting whenever you
decide. This is why you were able to decide to stop being fat
in the first place! Keep exercising that "self-defining" muscle.
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: 6000 crunches per week
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:35:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu writes:

>In article <C0p4GH.LDC@acsu.buffalo.edu> v087n562@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Lewis A Bernstein) writes:


>Wow, well then here's another question... is it as beneficial to
>do exercise quickly as it is slowly?  I mean might it not be 
>better to do 1000 slow crunches than 3000 fast (as in 6000/hour)
>ones?  Any ideas?  

I've always heard that you get more bang for your buck by doing them
slowly, but that's just some people's opinions.


-- 
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Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: v087n562@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Lewis A Bernstein)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: 6000 crunches per week
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I know that sounds like a lot, but it is possible.  Last year
during the NFL's fastest man competition they had a segment
on Hershel Walker (of the Philadelphia Eagles) and it said that
he does 3000 sit ups a day!  Furthermore, takes him less than a
half an hour to do all of them.  Over six days that would be
a total of 18000 a week.  Pretty incredible.

					Lew
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From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: a question or two.
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:54:20 GMT

>|> > Also, anyone have any suggestions for a really good exercise video?  The
>|> >very thought of spending an hour a day with Jane Fonda makes me want to 
>|> >gag

This month's Shape has a pretty comprehensive review of new videotapes,
broken down into strength training, step, aerobics, and stretching 
categories.  Considering the number of really bad grades they gave,
you may want to check it out before you buy an obscure video.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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Subject: Re: Step Aerobics (Was Re: a question or two.)
From: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:46:52 GMT
Reply-To: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
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In article <63620128@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>I have no problem with eating frequent small meals.  I do something like it
>for the first half of the day.  (The evening is when I get into a large
>meal; it works for me.)


I read a magazine article which suggested that women fare better on frequent
small meals rather than three big meals a day.  My problem is a small
meal/snack often turns into a binge.




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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Re: Linda Hamilton arms
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:56:50 GMT

>>in article: <1993Jan6.093542.13251@newstand.syr.edu> Margot wrote:

>>I just got the latest issue of Fitness magazine and its a really
>>good one.  There's alot in it about exercise and women being
>>strong (and a good photo of Linda Hamilton's arms from T2!).  They
>>mention that Hamilton worked out for 13 weeks prior to T2 but I'd
>>have to believe that she was in pretty good shape before to have
>>the definition she did after only 13 weeks....  There's also an


Actually, I heard the guy who trained Linda Hamilton for T2 [I forget
his name] on a talk show on KGO radio...he said that she was soft,
overweight, and had baby fat when they started [I am unclear whether he
meant "babyfat" or whether she'd recently had a baby]...she was
completely out of shape and on the first day she couldn't even run to
the end of the block...it totally winded her!

Can you *believe* the difference in 13 weeks???
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Workouts with bronchitis
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:23:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

diana@wetware.com (CatWoman ) writes:

>some.  I am just paying ATTENTION when I
>feel tired...

>Mainly - take it easy on yourself, and
>pay attention to the body.  If you're in
>an aerobics class - and you can control
>the desire to go full-blast - you might
>try walking through parts of it.  Just
>remember - there's a LOT of virii(?) 
>around and you could catch ANOTHER bug
>from someone there...

If I were you, I wouldn't do anything to induce heavy breathing - at all
until I was completely better.  The walking sounds fine.  Get your
circulation going, etc.  But I think its much easier to take it easy
when walking then when doing aerobics.  

Don't mess around.  You wouldn't want to have a relapse and have to
be out of commission even longer.


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
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From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: 6000 crunches per week
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:53:52 EST

In article <C0p4GH.LDC@acsu.buffalo.edu> v087n562@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Lewis A Bernstein) writes:
>I know that sounds like a lot, but it is possible.  Last year
>during the NFL's fastest man competition they had a segment
>on Hershel Walker (of the Philadelphia Eagles) and it said that
>he does 3000 sit ups a day!  Furthermore, takes him less than a
>half an hour to do all of them.  Over six days that would be
>a total of 18000 a week.  Pretty incredible.
>
>					Lew

Wow, well then here's another question... is it as beneficial to
do exercise quickly as it is slowly?  I mean might it not be 
better to do 1000 slow crunches than 3000 fast (as in 6000/hour)
ones?  Any ideas?  

Margot



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From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Linda Hamilton arms
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <1993Jan6.093542.13251@newstand.syr.edu> Margot wrote:
>
>
>I just got the latest issue of Fitness magazine and its a really
>good one.  There's alot in it about exercise and women being
>strong (and a good photo of Linda Hamilton's arms from T2!).  They
>mention that Hamilton worked out for 13 weeks prior to T2 but I'd
>have to believe that she was in pretty good shape before to have
>the definition she did after only 13 weeks....  There's also an
>article discussing the number of abdominal crunches that various
>celebreties do per week.  Juliann Phillips (from the show "Sisters")
>does 6000...  6000???  How could you do that many?  Linda
>Hamilton 900 (that's a little more believable!).
>
>Anyway, I find both Shape and Fitness magazines to be fun and
>motivational, although I think I'd have to give up my job to
>do 6000 cruches a week :)
>
>Margot
>
>--
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>"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
>  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                          - David Crosby
 
A lot of people in the past (and recently) have told me I look
like Julianne Phillips (bless their hearts!!!!).  Obviously,
they weren't referring to her abs!!! :)  6000?  That's like 1000
per day 6 days a week.  Must be a mistake.
 
Shape is a good mag.  I enjoy the success stories/photographs every
month and the cooking articles.
 
TAMARA
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From: CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Chris Thomas)
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:45:48 PST

In article <Jan.4.11.19.27.1993.15638@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, on 4 Jan 93 16:19:27 GMT,
shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>Brisk walking
>Step aerobics
>Regular aerobics
>Dancing 
>Twisting
>Stair Climbing machines
>Jumping 
>Running 
>Hiking
>
>I can only use my ankle as much as I need to to get around and nothing
>else.
>

There's a machine in our gym called an "Upper Body Exerciser".
It is basically like a stationary bicycle except that you work
the "pedals" with your hands instead of your feet.  It has
adjustable resistance is can be *extremely* aerobic.  It is
intended to develop arms and shoulders, but they use it instead
of stair/treadmills/bicycles for people like you with lower-body
injuries.  One might be able to rig one up using one of those
devices that attach to a regular bicycle to convert it into a
stationary exercise bike.  You might call the nearest sports
medicine place and see if they don't have something like this.

  -- Chris Thomas (CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)

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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: skin
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:27:11 EST


Hello-where *is* everyone?  I'm doing fine, still 4lbs from
goal!  Ugh, wonder if I'll *ever* get there?  I've
really shifted my focus from diet to fitness though and
am getting into our health club.  I really love it.

Now for today's gross subject:  Skin.  What a difference it
makes losing 80lbs when you're 16 and losing it when you're 34!
Will my skin ever catch up?  Seriously, most of the goo on my
upper arms is just skin, will this tighten up?  Anyone have
any advice/experience?  Thanks!

Margot
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From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: getting back on track, rev. B
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:58:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jsl@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu

Back on the 3rd I mentioned that I was trying to "get back on
track" after a bad holiday period.  Well, after a week of
trying to get back to what I was doing from June to November of
last year, I've decided to can the current approach of calorie-
counting and log-keeping and try something different.  For whatever
reason that other routine just isn't doing it at the moment.  I'm
still miles ahead of where I was back in June and even if I never
lose another pound I've still made a significant improvement.
What's essential is not to regain the weight I've already lost.
I can't generalize that "diets don't work" but the approach I'm
trying isn't working for me at present so I'm going to try something
new.

I'm open to suggestions but am planning to adopt now what I had 
been planning to adopt when I got nearer to my goal weight, i.e.,
a low-fat, near-vegetarian, diet similar to what people like Jane
Brody advocate (for everyone, of course; not just for the obese).
I'm also going to move somewhere where there's better walking--
now I have to drive to get to a decent location--and start 
walking in the morning before work.  The latter will have to wait
until March so at present I'm going to start doing some walking
in malls when the weather is unpleasant instead of using that
as an excuse for avoiding exercise.  

I remember before mentioning my feelings that diets must be 
"adaptable"--here's my chance to see if that's really doable or
if I'll just bounce between feast and famine for the rest of my
life, whether I really can "change my life" or whether all that's
self-delusional noise.  It's all in the doing, not in the planning,
of course.
-- 
John Lundberg
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Subject: Re: Anybody heard of Fastin?
From: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:52:02 GMT
Reply-To: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
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In article <63620131@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>Aside note:  Favorite gripe is someone who refuses to read the group to
>ask a question dealt with at length not a few days ago.  Not as if we are
>high traffic, either...

Well, I have just tuned in after about a month and that discussion isn't in my
unread articles, it's obviously been cleared out of the system here - quite
probably the same happened for the person asking about Fastin.

I'd also like to know more about the product, BTW.






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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Weight Watchers vs. ?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:00:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:

>In article <Jan.12.11.15.10.1993.18070@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>sjryan@iastate.edu (S. J. Ryan) writes:

>Wow....all these WW voices.  I'm on Day 3 (filling my face with
>raw vegetables as I write this). I think it's important to examine
>each food group for what it is.  I've not eaten my allotment of
> 3 "FAs" -- fats -- yet. This has to be a sensible one to skip, as
>that's what I'm trying to lose.  On the other hand, we aren't 

Since there are fats in regular bread and in meat, it's not like
these 3 fats are your only source of fat, so I don't think giving
them up will hurt you.  The thing is, I got into the habit of not
adding margarine or mayo to my food - although I love it - I gave
it up.  Now I'm allowed to have 3 a day and I don't have them because
it isn't part of my routine.

Okay, I actually put a teaspoon of mayo on my sandwich this afternoon,
and I felt so decadant!

>allocated a lot of protein to begin with.  Although it certainly will

5 ounces is just a little less than what I usually eat in a day.
Also, we're going to be allotted more after week two is finished.

>not hurt to skip a few, it's probably unwise to do so routinely
>for nutritional reasons.  Also, it's probably not smart to cut
>your food intake as per the plan very dramatically.  Let's face it,
>there is not a lot of calories there to begin with. 

I don't cut it intentionally, but I'm not going to eat when I'm not
hungry.  Actually, what I seem to be doing it saving up a lot
of exchanges for dinner, just in case I'm starving, then not eating
them all at dinner.  Then never eating the leftover exchanges because
its too late and I'm not hungry.

I guess I have to learn to pace myself better.  Not allot so much for
dinner, but know that I can use optional calories if I'm still hungry.

I like to save the optional calories for my Breyer's Vanilla Ice Milk,
which is heaven.... add a tablespoon of Bosco.... mmmmmmmm.

>I'm not sure if you're "allowed" to transfer foods between days;
>I suspect not, since we should be taking a one-day-at-a-time
>approach to changing our eating patterns. 

You're probably right.  Had to try though.  :)

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:19:27 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Due to an ankle injury, my exercise routine has been severly restricted.
Actually, I don't have an exercise routine, but I was planning on
taking advantage of this January break from school to develop one.

I set up my finished attic as a little gym for myself.  I have my stair
climber up there, my step, a tv, vcr, and a collection of tapes.  I
also have a weight bench (not for real lifting, just light lifting for
toning and situps, etc.)

The problem is, that the doctor has forbid me to do any of the following
for the next 6 weeks:

Brisk walking
Step aerobics
Regular aerobics
Dancing
Twisting
Stair Climbing machines
Jumping
Running
Hiking

I can only use my ankle as much as I need to to get around and nothing 
else.  

So now I'm stuck for exercise ideas.  Low impact aerobics is no good
because it still involves twisting the ankle a lot.  The doctor
suggested swimming, which I have access to.

As far as I can tell, I might just have to stick to floor work - sit ups,
leg lifts, etc, but I'd like to do something to work up a sweat.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:47:04 GMT

Don't reject the idea of just lifting weights.  Sometimes I find
that just lifting weights increases my metabolism more than doing
something aerobic.  You might want to try a callenetics tape, I've
been toying with the idea of trying it myself.

--
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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: getting back on track, rev. B
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:14:15 GMT

I'm having a tough time too.  I've managed to cut back on the sugary
and fatty stuff, but I'm still eating huge volumes of other stuff.
I'm just trying to get back to the way I was eating before.  I'm not
gaining right now, but I sure ain't losing!

It's helping to eat a lot of potatoes piled up with butter-buds and
nonfat sour cream.  And I've been buying the gourmet salad mix at 
the store, because it tastes WONDERFUL and time is a precious commodity
at the moment.  I also eat gobs of popcorn.  I found some non-fat velveta 
like substance at the store and sometimes I melt it on my popcorn.

My biggest problem now is managing my time.  I moved over the holidays
to an apartment that is further away from work.  I really feel the loss
of time that is now going to commuting.  It's hard to get up early 
enough to do my exercise before I have to leave for work.  It's difficult
for me to get motivated to exercise after work, but I think I'll try
that tonight.

The good news is that I'm MUCH happier in my new home and there's a
Heidi's Frogen Yozurt across the street.
--
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Subject: Re: getting back on track
From: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
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>Anyway, here's the punchline.  Between Dec 24 and Jan 4 I lost 4.2 kg (9
>lbs).  I have never *lost* over this period before, so I am (*really* sorry
>to say, John!) very happy about it.  This makes it a total of 53 kg (117
>lbs) off since Aug 24.  I'll be 49 next month, so I am now ready to stick my
>neck out and say that by age 50 I will be rock steady at my target, which I
>suppose is about 90 kg (~200 lbs).  I was last that size when I was a
>teenager.  That means 43 kg (95 lbs) to go, (yes really! :-( ) so I am now
>only just over the half way mark.  I fully understand that the hard part
>starts when I get there and try to keep it off, but I am very confident that
>the bike will be a big help when I get there.


GOOD ONE BILL!!!!!!!



Wish I could say the same, but now I'm back at work there's not so much
temptation to snack, so hopefully I'll get back on track.


Ideally I'd like to lose a goodly portion of my weight by this time next year,
so that I can go away for New Year with the same group I went with this time
and really wow them, because most of them I don't see in between times.

A goal is a good start, I guess, though I don't know if it's a good goal.



Anyhow, keep up the GREAT work Bill!




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