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From: fapa@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Feng-yang Kuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:28:21 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Tim,
There are many KMT brain washed chinese around. They really don't belong to
the island of Taiwan. Progress doesn't come free. I admire your uncle for 
what he have done for the beloved island. Many taiwanese people will remember
this even hundred years after.
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From: u235@rex.chb.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:40:26 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, OKC
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <1992Nov10.162427.22285@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>Ya!  You are absolutely right!
>
>Besides, to the one relating lovemaking and AIDS: dear, don't you wear a
>condom?  Please don't be so stupid, ok?
>
>--Christine
	
	Are we swtiching to the topic of how to have a 'safe sex' here?

	Yung-jin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:58:16 GMT

Gee, I wonder if I'll get flamed for this one... Hmmm, oh what the hell.  This was on 
soc.culture.taiwan.  The fact that this topic is even addressed means that it 
occupies certain amount of brain cells in the mind of your average horny guy.  
So I put this questions in front of this forum, is this important or not?  

Pete


In article 6222@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>|Interesting and exciting topic to you men, huh?  Well, just one of my male
>|friends told me that he minds very much about whether his future wife is a
>|virgin or not.  "How could you check it?  You are not a Gynecologist!"  I said.
>|"Well, you know, she will bleed at the first time of lovemaking if she's a 
>|virgin."
>|
>|:o!  Ha, my goodness!  Is the guy from 18 century?  According to Gynecologists'
>|research, bleeding can not be used as an evidence of virgin.  Some women may
>|not bleeding at their first time even though they are virgins.  Some physical
>|incidents may damage the completeness of the "cherry".  My point is, is
>|virgin or not really so important to you men?  My friend sweared to me that 99%
>|men care it very much.  Really?  I thought people are getting rid of the
>|stereotype.  Any comment?
>|
>|My advice, never ever ask and check ur wife or girlfriend for whether she's
>|virgin or not.  Why asking for troubles for yourself?  Life is short, just 
>|enjoy...
>|
>|--Christine, the feminist.



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From: tsma@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re:  Big Breast?
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:16:50 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Although big breasted women may look desirable in their prime years to	
some, I would wonder about what they look like in 30-40 years when everything
starts to hang, with a big breasted woman there is more to hang down.  I	
don't find that attractive.
From: tsma@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: re "do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:12:03 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

As to the concept of virgins being dull (I assume only when they start)	
since you can only be a virgin in love-making once.  Wouldn't a virgin	
have the advantage of being open to new techniques and perhaps more reseptive	
to a partner's desires?  Just a thought.
From: wcwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wei-Chi Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:36:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Nov11.073628.4783
Organization: The Ohio State University
 T.Y. Shih(Taku)) writes:

I admit that I am a some kind of "old-fashioned" person.  Don't think that
I am more than 40.  On the contrary I am only 28 and I am from the fashioned
city Taipei.  Maybe I am too innocent, but I "believe" most of my single 
Chinese friends (most of them are beyond 28) keep their virginity.

I am always not shame (also not proud) of admitting that I have no experience.
One of the most important things I learn in U.S. here is: Everybody has his/her
own way to select life style, if that doesn't bother people.  In my own
opinion, the physical relationship is a bottom line.  Once you accross the
line, you should know that you have to be responsible for that.

One true story may let you folks to think about.  I have a friend here in
Columbus asked me if I am a virgin (Is that a right word?  I am male),  I said
yes, and he laughed at me.  But when I asked the same question of him, he said
"No comment!"

Chinese men, ah?

Wei-Chi Wang
From: npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: He's a virgin?
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:27:32 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1992Nov11.192756.8849@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>OK, that's our women's turn now.  Once a girl told me that she won't marry a
>virgin because "I am a virgin, so if I marry a guy who is also a virgin, oh,
>god, how will it be?  There should be someone who know how to do it, right?"
						   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Oh, well, how do you girls think of it?
>
>--Christine

Hi everybody interested in this topic:

I am a male.  I want to say my opinion about this.

Being a virgin (I think here it is defined as no-sexual-intercourse-experience.)
is not necessrily being naive about how to do it.  The girl above complaining
about this must have some psychological problem so that she is afraid of touch-
ing sex subject.  Some girls, as I know, think any material concerning sex is
dirty and offensive, even including those instructional books and media. 
Consequently, they are naive about this subject and rely on their husbands (if 
they have) to TEACH them.  What a strange idea!  It is near 21st century, girls.
Female should be more active than their mother's generation to get what they
want, or what they shoul have.

I know, the biased male-dominated society of Taiwan is responsible for the
strange behavior described above.  That's why we should talk them on this
net and help female to remove those bias on the society.  It needs you, both
female and male (alphabetical order :> ) to work it on.

Chen, Nien-Po		npchen@physics.purdue.edu
Nov. 12, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spies in UCLA
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:53:25 GMT


In article <1dbkvmINNeiv@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes...
>In article <1992Nov5.163107.10146@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com 
>(Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>>Mr. Chuang provided the above story to prove the KMT's spying activity still
>>happens in the 90s. Maybe. But just based on the story, it is clearly that
>>spying on Mr. Chen happened before 1990. How old this Mr. Chen? And what 
>>year he was a student at UCLA? But Mr. Chuang is using the date of report, 
>>May 1991, to confuse the readers .
> 
>Mr. Chen Jen-Ran was in UCLA during the year 1990.  Chen's current age
>is arround 34.

Sorry for my mistakes.

>Taiwanese authorities arrested Jen-Ran Chen on May  9  in  Taipei
>and  charged the UCLA graduate student with sedition.  The charge
>reportedly was based on Chen's research activities and  materials
>he  had  been  collecting  for  his  UCLA  dissertation.   He was
>released on bail, but his trial is set for June 22.
>
>UCLA's Chen is accused of attempting to overthrow the Nationalist
>government  through  his  association with the banned Independent
>Taiwan Assn. Chen came to UCLA from Taiwan in 1988 as a  graduate
>student  and  took a leave in 1989 to work on his dissertation on
>Taiwanese intellectuals.  In  the  course  of  his  research,  he
>interviewed  and  corresponded  with  the  exiled founder of ITA.
>Chen, who claims he is not a member of the group, also  conducted
>student study groups on Taiwanese history.  The Taiwan government
>is said to be alarmed at the recent interest  among  students  in
>Taiwanese  history,  which  has  been  suppressed  by  the ruling
>Nationalist Party since 1949.
> 
>If convicted, Chen could face death.  That would be a tragedy not
>just for academic freedom, but for democracy.

If Mr. Chen did nothing wrong but just express different opinion on Taiwan
history, politics, etc on his UCLA dissertation. I think he is innocent.
Also even being a member of Independent Taiwan Assn. should not be sentenced
it is just personal political belief as long as the person or the organization
does not promote the violence.

Freedom of speech is part of democracy.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung)
Subject: Re: parents reaction to dating americans
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 04:16:10 GMT

lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:

>In article <92Nov03.002432.22607@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>>In article <gaojeng.720575285@durras> gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:
>>
>>[stuff deleted]
>Asians are generally typecast as submissive, a
>trait that is desirable in a woman but not in a man.
>Therefore, Caucasians males seek out Asian females, while
>Caucasian females don't seek out Asian males.

I think it might also be because a wife follows the culture of her
husband but a husband is less likely to follow the culture of his
wife.  So it is better to have husband of the dominant culture. 
(Dominant culture in Western society.)
The relationship will have less problems.

>Canadians are probably less conditioned to this particular
>stereotype than Americans are, given the history of Asian
>Americans in the US (the Chinese building railroads, the
>Japanese in interm camps, etc.).  What's the history of
>Asian Americans in Canada, anyway?

It was the Chinese who worked on the Railroad in Canada
and the Japanese were also interned in WWII.  I've lived in
Canada for many years.  I think it's because Canadians are less
racist and there is a mixed marriage, it is because of love that they
marry.

>Going back to the original question, I think that a lot of
>the more traditional Chinese parents (such as mine :-( )
>are brought up in the era where they still believe that
>the Chinese people are somehow genetically superior than any
>other race on this Earth (and many people *still* think that
>way!!!).  Therefore, they're afraid that their offsprings
>will be "polluted" by the inferior Western genes.  

I really don't think this is true.  Western and Eastern culture
is very very hard to mix.

The fear
>is, of course, unfounded.  But it is very real.  However,
>due to the favoritism toward sons over daughters, and how
>sons are supposed to pass on the family blood line, I think
>that sons tend to get pressure from their parents not to
>date Americans more than daughters do.  So the original
>poster's friend should be glad that he's male and dating
>a Chinese girl, and not a female dating a Chinese guy. :)

TTYC

>			- David

>-- 
>---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
>David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
>"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
>					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pan@arete.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Victor Pan)
Subject: Re: time to make money!!
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 23:03:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Nov06.182039.83688@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> pan@arete.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu  
(Victor Pan) writes:
> 
>       stock marcket is soaring!!  for those who are curious,
> 
>       call  
> 
>       Angel A. Chi  @  1-800-777-1717
>       Senior Investment Broker ( chinese & english bilingual )
>       Stocks, Mutual Funds, Bonds and Portfolio Planning


      sorry, didn't notice that i forgot the name of the company untill a few e-mails asked  
for it.  here it goes.

       " RAF Financial "

       btw, as you may concern, the commission rate is low, among the full-service brokers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Reduldant and stupid obligatory military service
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:31:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.132210.20093@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:
>
>army was an offensive force and the ROC is a offensive force. In my opion, the
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     ROC is an offensive force?  That is the first time that I have heard of
it.  I do not know that we have the ability to "retake" Mainland China.
From: jarubick@honors.uoregon.edu (:Jade Rubick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: request re: Taiwan's formation
Summary: Request for information on Taiwan's history
Keywords: information,history,Taiwan
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:27:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: honors.jarubick.4
Organization: University of Oregon Honors College

Hello!

I'm rather new to this group, but enjoying it already.  Very briefly, I have 
a request to make.  I'm doing a paper for a Chinese culture class and I was 
interested in hearing a little about how Taiwan was formed.  If anybody 
would like to send me a little short description of their understanding 
historically of how it happened, it would help reinforce my reading.  Please 
respond by e-mail, I don't want to take up any more bandwidth than I have 
already.  :)

jarubick@honors.uoregon.edu


+----------------+-----------------------------+---------------------------+
| Jade Rubick    | jarubick@honors.uoregon.edu | Hello, my name is Oedipus |
| (503) 344-8619 +-----------------------------+ You killed my father.     |
| Asian Studies  | University of Oregon HC     | Prepare to die.           |
+----------------+-----------------------------+---------------------------+
From: akula@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kuo Han Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Anybody Has the Shuan1 Chiao2 Chinese System for Windows?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 11:48:19 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

I saw a TV commercial running on NATV about the Shuan1 Chiao2 (double bridge)
Chinese system for Windows. Does anybody out there has this software ? How
good is it ? Is this similar to Chinese Windows 3.0 ?

Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

Kuo.
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:50:34 GMT


	Does virginity guarantee a happy marriage for life?
	What do you want to get out your marriage?

	Life is short, why let a mindless feudal tradiction dictate
	your jorney through life? Why link virginity with marriage
	at all? Find honesty for yourself.


Yung-Kao Hsu
From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Teaching English in Taiwan
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:19:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.071916.16374
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Can anyone out there give me some information on teaching English in Taiwan?

Where is the best place to teach?

How much can one make?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:15277 soc.rights.human:4168
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.rights.human
Subject: distortion of the fact
Date: 11 Nov 1992 16:18:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <9231621.7252@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
writes:
- I saw the article in Asia Week (Chinese version) about the incident that
- we are describing here.  One thing I am shocked is that the leader of the
- TI movement has not lived in Taiwan for years.  He's lived in various
- western countries for many many years, especially the USA.

Many Taiwanese dissidents including those leaders of Taiwan Independence
movement were blacklisted by the KuoMingTung(KMT) regime of Taiwan for 
many years.  They were forced to exile against their own wills.   Just 
in Japan, the total of their exile time sums up to more than 1000 years !  
I am shocked by the notorious crime committed by KMT which illegally 
sentenced them to exile without a court procedure.

In article <9231621.7252@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
writes:
- And as soon as he got back to Taiwan, he started all these political
- propaganda and movements.

His determination, after so many years in forced exile,  only shows me 
how great the love he has for our beloved motherland.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsay%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Chey-Woei Tsay)
Subject: Re: Reduldant and stupid obligatory military service
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:08:55 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

I just read the book "Subtle is the Load -- The Science and the Life of
Albert Einstein" written by A. Pais. According to the book, Einstein
also managed to avoid the military service (German). He did this because
he was terrified by the soldiers in a parade who followed the line
without own thought.

Any comment?

tsay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:00:43 GMT

In article <sJB=H4+@engin.umich.edu> chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung H
siung Yang) writes:
>

>    Anyway, my feeling is when I get married, I will want to be married
>to a woman who have experiences, able to be assertive, and knows exactly
>what she wants.  This way, life is much more fun.  If the person I married
>to happen to be a virgin, fine!  If she remained a virgin because of her
>own will and not societies norm.  If she is not a virgin, fine for me too.
>It tells me this girl wanted to have sex and probably enjoys it.  Actually,
>that  is not so bad.  In fact that is probably pretty good (for certain
>people at least.)
>

Honey, I agree with you.  Why marry a virgin (no matter male or female)?  They
must be dull at lovemaking!

Besides, someone said that men will say they don't care whether their wives are
virgins or not in mouth, but in their minds...Mm..., totally different.  Well.

To men: you honeys, we are going to 21th century...

--Christine
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:39:56 GMT
Organization: Eye bee Mac.

In article <BxHGM5.Guv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku)) writes:
>
>	Can't agree more. Actually if a girl from Taipei remains virgin
>	after she reach 25, either she's from a very conservative family,
>	or she has some personality problems, or she has some personal
>	probelms. Same for men. And I think that is too unhealthy.
>

Can't agree less with you.

This is ridiculous to say a person from Taipei remained virgin when 25 is
"from a very conservative family, or has some personality problems"....
   
I don't know if this gentleman had enough evidence to support his claim,
or, if his personal taste favored non virgin sex partner to take advantage
of the experinced one's skill in lovemaking.

Why is it to remain virgin is unhealthy to you? Should people from Taipei
go out to have stray (casual) sex before 25 to be healthy to you?


Where is your Zen master when you had an orgy?

>	Paul
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ty Lee                                                                    */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 00:38:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov8.134941.20427@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:
>
>In article <92Nov08.183921.22629@acs.ucalgary.ca>, bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>|> In article <9231222.17195@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>|> >I dare Tim Chuang (and others who agree with him) to name *ONE* country in
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Well, I am pretty sure that my own country does not care about what I
>|> might say or write about its domestic politics, nor about the people
>|> I would associate with, etc..., etc...  
>|> 
>
>
>One major difference about Ammerican with other countries is that the Ammerican  is
>is so good at spyying their citizen that the ammerican can fools part of its more
>ignorant citizens and makes these citizens think no one is watching them.
>
>A second major difference is that, beside being interested in watching their
>own citizen, the ammerican has a habit of shooting other countries' politicans
>or screwing around with other countries' politics.  

For the record: I was not talking about the US in my quote above.

This said, it's not obvious to me that the US government are spying on their
own citizen abroad, at least if talking about ordinary people.

As for the US getting involved in other countries politics,  can I argue
with you?  (Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Panama, Chile, etc...,  and
to back further in time, the Philippines, Cuba, etc...   )

Luc B
From: kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com (kenw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:32:47 GMT
Organization: Motorola, Austin, Texas

In article <9231222.17195@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>I dare Tim Chuang (and others who agree with him) to name *ONE* country in
>the world which did not spy on their citizens involved in anti-government
>activities overseas!
>
>(of course, I don't have to remind you of the publicity of Clinton's anti-US
>activity in UK.)
>
>-- 
>1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
>of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts." 


I am stunned by the incredible reasoning behind this posting. Let me remind you 
two things.
  
(1) Just because everyone is doing it does not justify any evil. 

(2) Just beacuse God allows it to happen does not mean it is good. 



 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku))
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:39:31 GMT

In article <BxH62D.Lvw@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>
>If your husband is just one of your "them" , be prepared that you will be
>just one of his "them'.  Life is short , SEX is cheap and AIDS is everywhere.



	I think for people living down in the States, it doesn't make 
any difference. If they do die in AIDS, they die in pollutions anyways.


Paul

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