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From: mylene@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au (Mylene Pijpers)
Subject: Re: Pacifiers
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:12:47 GMT

After the birth of our daughter we received a cartoon card picturing two
desparate parents bent over a crib filled with a screaming red 
baby, while trying to find instructions in the Manual: "Where do we
find the OFF button?" 

With our baby the dummy WAS the off button!  


Why using dummy? I figured it was easier to remove a dummy from the child 
than her thumb.  My mother thought it silly, because thumbs don't get lost 
in the night.  The other grandmother told me it was considered 
unhygienically 25 years ago,
Anyway, sometime before she was 1 she lost interest, no more dummy, +/- 
when she learned the difference between the dummy and "the real thing", in
her case a bottle.  Only lately she sometimes puts one in het mouth 
(yes I have to store them away, all that junk lying around) but I think 
she is now imitating the babies at childcare.



Mylene


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From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: adding French
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:06:53 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Just a quick comment about Amy Uhrbach's
recent, informative post on second language
learning (getting off the misc.kids topic
somewhat, so I'll keep it short:

She wrote:
 It is well documented that most people can only learn a language
fluently before puberty (best before 5 for many), so if any interest is shown
Alex will have language classes early. 

*******************

This should really be read as "learn a 2nd language with
native-speaker proficiency" rather than "fluently". Plenty
of people can learn a language fluently after puberty, but
most retain some accent or other non-native quirks. Sorry
to nit-pick, and I don't mean it as such, just didn't want
anyone to think it was all over at age 11 or 12!

Dena
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:44:23 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <1174.9212171747@bonzo.xylogics.com>, rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
|> So, if it means something positive to you personally to
|> say "we're pregnant" then go ahead.
|> 
|> But I think it's euphemizing the differences between men
|> and women.

If my husband had ever said "We're pregnant" within my earshot,
I would have punched him.

If he were the one with the distended belly, the swollen feet,
the pinched nerves, the roiling stomach, the constipated bowels,
the fatigued body, and the stretched skin, I would never presume
to assert that I was capable in any significant way of sharing
that burden.  Support, yes, share, no.

Fortunately, he had the good sense to refer to each impending
arrival by simply saying what was actually the case, "Jude's 
pregnant."

That's just the way I look at it.

Judy Drake
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Private Time" with the Kids
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:35:38 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <85551@ut-emx.uucp>, wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe) writes:

> (BTW:  where are these
> children who actually sleep 12 hours out of 24, that the baby
> books talk about???  Mine won't nap at daycare and sleeps about
> 8-9 hours at home.)

Well, two of them are living at my house...my son will be 4 next month.  He
doesn't nap any more, goes to bed by 8 pm (latest, sometimes earlier) and wakes
between 7-7:30 am.  My daughter is 14 months old.  She naps twice daily (1-2
hours morning and afternoon), but keeps the same approximate nighttime schedule
as her brother (she gets up a bit earlier, 6:30, with her daddy).

The "secret"?  Probably partly constitutional but both my children are
*EXTREMELY* active.  I always suspect that if you run a kid enough you will get
a lot better sleep.  This is my own personal theory, but I know that mine are
constantly on the move, not very into television, and extremely physical. 
They're just tuckered out :).  The other thing is we keep a pretty firm
schedule.  But then again, that just follows from them being tired.  If they
weren't it wouldn't make much sense to force 'em into bed.

So, yes, there are kids who sleep 12 hours nightly.  And mothers who thank god
for it (both mine also didn't sleep through the night till at least a year
old!).

Ann Helmers

PS  The kids aren't the only ones tuckered out.  The time after they go to bed
is mostly used by my husband and me to lie around recovering :).
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Crawling and Reading (Was AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:50:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.154044.25000@odin.diku.dk> thorinn@diku.dk (Lars Henrik Mathiesen) writes:
[ ... ]
>
>I am told that never learning to crawl has been linked to dyslexia and
>other cognitive development problems, but I don't know of any studies;
>it does seem moderately plausible to me that communication between the
>halves of the brain could be stimulated by crawling.
>
[ ... ]
>
>Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <thorinn@diku.dk> (Humour NOT marked)

Dyslexia is associated with a number of symptoms besides
difficulty learning to read.  Some common ones include:
* Delay in large motor skills (including poor crawling)
* Colic as a young baby
* carsickness and other balancing problems
* No hand preference
* poor auditory perception (hear "out of focus" )
* inability to match tone (musical notes) pitchesx
* Poor hand-eye coordination 
* Hyperactivity

Certainly not every child who has one or more of these symptoms
is dyslexic.  And, not every dyslexic child has all of these sypmtoms 
(& there are a few others that do not occur to me just now).  
The fact that dyslexic includes a series of symptoms which
as a group are often associated with minimal brain damage certainly
is a strong argument in favor of the syndrome (now often ADD or ADDH)
having a physiological basis.

Also, certain techniques associated with some success in physical
theraphy for brain-damaged patients works quite well for dyslexic
chidren.  The crawling therapy is one of those.  Though from what
I remember reading, it seems to enjoy very limited success.

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Neglected or Abused Children, CPS, Foster Care and Prison
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:38:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.183547.8871@sequent.com> petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire) writes:
>bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
>
>
>
[...]
>A new way has to be found to 'market' these kids. One thing that is done
>in Portland is a local TV station has spots I think are called 'Wednesday
>Kids'. These are older kids, give a 1-2 min. talk about the kid, show
>him/her etc. I don't know if it works or not. I'd bet most people just
>klick to another channel.
>
>
[...]
>-pete
>Pete Lancashire
>petel@sequent.com

Well, the concept might be new in Portland, but it has been going
on in Dallas for *many* years.  The main thrust of these episodes
is to adopt "exceptional" children.  The program has been very
successful with many dozens of hard-to-place children finding
good families.  There have been several good side-effect programs
as well.  The rating aren't shabby either.


Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: When To Turn Car Seat?
Keywords: When To Turn Car Seat?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:54:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.214050.2899@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.194818.27162@admin.kth.se> palm@admin.kth.se (Christer Palm) writes:
>>
>>YES. 36 month. Thats what the car security board in Sweden recommend.
>>The recommendation is based on accident investigations and research work
>>at Chalmers institute of technology in cooperation with car
>>manufacture's and insurance companies
>
>Does anyone know of a brand (available in the US) of car seat which would
>allow the weight of a three-year-old in the rear facing position, though?

I dont know about 36 months, but I was advised to keep a child facing backwards
until 12-13 months. Sitting up has very little to do with it, until about
that age, their heads are still disproportionately large, and their necks
probably wont support the stress of a forward facig accident. 

I was told to use a toddler seat, and make it rear facing. I think all the
newer toddler (convertible) seats can be used in either direction. Just
be careful to continue to use the strap holes for rear facing infants. In
the rear facing position, the straps are used to stop the child for ramping
up, not from geting thrust froward.

It was sort of inconvenient, but I heard about this from such a good source
(a woman named Stephanie Trombello (sp?) who runs an organization named
LA Child Pasenger Safety Asscociation. Her argument made such sense, that I
would have felt awful if I had turned him earlier, and we had had an accident.
My son, BTW, could put himself into a sitting postition from a slightly 
reclining position (stroller, infant seat) and hold it for mintues at the
age of 3 months, 1 week.

I suspect that 36 months would also be safer. It is safer to rear facing in
an accident. I am not sure there would be leg room for that long though. 
Maybe seats are different in Sweden.

Laura Floom




Laura Floom

>
>Ken
>---
>staffan@serum.kodak.com


Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Keywords: Anecdotes, Overreaction?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:52:40 EST

I've heard a few people warn me not to use a walker because they're
"dangerous" (meaning that the kid could head right for the nearest staircase
and take a serious tumble), to which my basic response is that the same
thing could happen if the kid were walking on her own and *you weren't
watching her*.  I mean what's the deal here?  Is this another case of people
wanting something declared a safety hazard because they don't have enough
common sense to realize that you don't just leave the child alone in it?  It
seems pretty obvious to me that if your kid is either in a walker or able to
walk by herself, you'd put gates all over the house, close off all the
staircases, and keep a good eye on her at all times.

Sheesh!  Next someone will call for banning cow's milk for kids because
there are a few children who are allergic to it...

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nebulai@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeannette Laughlin)
Subject: Re: Nursing chair recommendation
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:59:14 GMT


>I'm wondering what kind of chair to get for the nursery. I would really like
>it to rock easily, but I don't think all-wooden rockers are comfortable. Has
>anyone bought one of those padded rockers that sort of swings back and forth
>as opposed to truly rocking. Are they junk? Do they hold up? Does your baby
>like the movement? I'm sure a La-Z-Boy would be comfortable, but I really
>want to generate a lot of movement if that is what baby prefers. Does anyone
>have an all-wooden rocker that really is comfortable for nursing? If this
>discussion has been exhausted at some point in the past, maybe someone can
>pass on info. they collected at the time.

>Thanks!

>Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation


I was visiting my cousin who has a 2 month old baby girl.  And she really likes
the padded rockers that swings back and forth opposed to the wooden rockers.
She says that they are very comfortable and much more enjoyable to rock the
baby and very well worth the  money to buy one.  She also has the foot stool
that swings back and forth.  I sat in the chair with the baby and rocked her
and I see why she likes them.  They are very comfortable on your back and
very enjoyable.  I sure wish I had one when my baby is born.




			Jeannette
			nebulai@cwis.unomaha.edu
Newsgroups: misc.legal,talk.environment,sci.environment,sci.bio,alt.activism,rec.backcountry
From: ezellj@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Jean Ezell)
Subject: Re: Government to Grant Swift Endangered Species Act Protection to Hundreds of Imperiled Species
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:30:35 GMT

ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen) writes:

>Here is a press release from the Fund For Animals Inc. and
>Defenders of Wildlife.

> Government to Grant Swift Endangered Species Act Protection to
                      ^^^^^
   . . .

>   Under the settlement, which was filed today in federal district
>court in Washington, D.C., the government must, by September 1996,
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why does something seem wrong here?

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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Fired for bad email postings
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:57:18 GMT

peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:

>I was fired from my job earlier this year for making crass statements
>on alt.tasteless and alt.flame.

>Now I'm suing my ex-company for wrongful termination.

>I was summoned by them to take a deposition yesterday, and I showed
>up with my father (a retired attorney) at my side.  The other side's
>lawyer has an absolute conniption, cancelled the deposition, and said
>that he'd seek a protective order barring my father from attending.

>Does anyone know how easy these protective orders are to get, and to
>what extent they actually bar the party?  I mean, could my father still
>wait outside in the lobby, in case I needed to talk to him about an
>issue?

>I'm filing my case in Pro. Per. (without a lawyer), which is why the
>other side's attorney had his conniption.  It was actually quite
>amusing to me, but I don't know doodly squat about the legal system,
>except that using common sense will lead you into trouble.  :)

>Please post replies to misc.legal, as this is an interesting case,
>and I'd like to get as many opinions as I can, especially from
>people familiar with Usenet and the law.

Well, lawyers tend to have conniptions when you do it "pro se". 
Usually they do not know what to do in such a case. Professional
courtesy is out the window, and that is what makes the law work.

I see nothing wrong with having your father there, as long as he
only acts as an advisor, and not as an advocate. The distinction 
here is that he can't object to questions, but you can ask him
questions if you get in trouble.

In most jurisdictions, such a protective order requires that you 
get a chance to be heard. Thus, if he files a brief, you can too.
If he gets to talk to the judge, so can you. It is not "ex parte".

Unfortunately, because attys have a problem dealing with pro se
opponents, they will take almost any excuse to get you represented.
Thus, when I did this a couple of years ago, the opponent attys
repeatedly tried to find out what attys I was using for advice,
so they could cut me out of the loop, and go straight to that atty.
I would call their actions at times frantic. In any case, we got
a hefty settlement when they finally discovered that their legal
costs would be much higher than mine, but that they couldn't knock
me out procedurally (like they are trying with you).

Bruce E. Hayden
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org
From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Interesting contract question
Keywords: reasonable, refusal, lapse, silent, acceptance
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.16DEC199220070732
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Before I joined the organization I am now with, we ordered a subscription to an
area newspaper.  The pattern that eventually developed was silent acceptance
and postpayment.  In July of this year, we decided to cancel the subscription. 
My predecessor as treasurer stopped paying.  Unfortunately, the deliveries
continued, and I sent an affirmative cancellation in November, disputing the
time the contract ended.

Next, in response to the final bill, we attempted to send an accord and
satisfaction payment based on what we guessed was a reasonable time for the
paper to assume we were no longer accepting performance.  They held the check
without cashing.  I did receive a message that they had called the day after I
sent the check, but they never responded when I left a message on their
machine.

Today, I spoke with them (finally) and they told me that the only way to end
the contract was to affirmatively cancel it.  I disputed that, on the grounds
that even if we were postpaying, four months without payment is long enough to 
determine that we had decided to cancel.

As we stand, we agree that we owe what we offered, and they agree that we do
not owe the papers that have been arriving since we sent the affirmative
cancellation.  The three months or so in between are disputed.

Any suggestions?

						Daniel Reitman
						DReitman.Oregon.UOregon.Edu
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Forensic Animation and Computers
From: killion@eis.calstate.edu (Dave Killion;Pac Bell)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:00:37 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: Cyberscape Video Productions (TBA)

I was wondering about the impact of Computer Generater (CG) video and
Forensic Animation in the courtroom.  I know here in California recently
we had the Mitchel Brothers Trial where F/A was used as the centerpiece
evidence against the defense.  Does anyone have any connections to that
project?  Or, have you used or considered using CG video or FA as part of
your case?  If you have, or are interested, I am eager to hear from you
and to learn all about your case.

I am doing reseach on the feasibility of starting a company to provide
such a service to attorneys.  What would you consider fair compensation
for services rendered for a 2 minute videotape illustrating in vivid, full
motion video, an automobile accident?  The Computer Graphics Guild
Handbook suggests $1,000 a (8hr) day for full postproduction work (what
would be needed for CG video).  What sort of percentage down do you think
is reasonable?  Would you rather work off a flat fee, or as a percentage
of the settling amount?  There are some concepts I've already figured out
for myself as being the best, but I want to hear your personal opinion.

Ideas for CG video that spring to mind are: Automobile Accidents (Personal
Injury), Industrial Accidents (Product Liability), or even Assault/Battery
(Criminal/Civil).  There's a variety of ideas for application of CG video
and F/A.  

If this touches you in any way, I want to hear from you.  Flood my Email
box, it's what it's there for.  Upon request, I will post updates as to
how things are going with the research and whether or not I could start a
company (tentatively to be called Cyberscape Video Productions).

Thanks,

Dave Killion
killion@eis.calstate.edu
MHCS72A on Prodigy

Snail Mail:
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Concord, CA 94521
From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Interstate Commerce
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.17DEC199213442173
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec17.070719.17207@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
 dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892) writes...
>It seems to me that no
>state should have the authority to govern the actions of others outside of
>its borders.  

Sorry.  That was the rule from 1877 to 1945, under Pennoyer v. Neff, but in in
International Shoe v. Washington, the Supreme Court ruled that a state could
exercise jurisdiction over a firm that hired agents to sell its products in the
state, even if they made no sales.  Since then, the issue of personal 
jurisdiction has been quite confusing.  In general, the test is "purposeful
direction" of activities toward the forum state.  See World-Wide Volkswagen v.
Woodson (1978?), Burger King v. Rudzewicz (sp?) (1982?), and related cases. 
(All cases listed are by the Supreme Court, but I don't have full cites
available.)

						Dan, ad nauseum
						Daniel Reitman
						DReitman@Oregon.UOregon.Edu

Not licensed to practice.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard)
Subject: Re:  Good Legal Writing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:28:23 GMT

No, not all of Judge Selya's opinions are that interesting, but I have managed 
to come across a few in law school.

My favorite is the case in which a federal judge dismisses a case brought 
against the devil.  I believe that it was U.S. ex rel. Moyer v. Satan and his 
Helpers.  Every first-year should read this civil procedure classic.
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: A proposal for repro
X-To: HUBERT J MONTAS
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 05:13:00 GMT

montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes...
HJM> In article <1992Nov27.183552.28373@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooi
HJM> ld.org> writes:
HJM> >
HJM> >KD> Further, I will go so far as to suggest that there is a simpler soluti
HJM> >KD> the problem of "fair" reproductive freedom that is now present in law:
HJM> >KD>         Remove a woman's right to choose whether or not to become a pa
HJM> >KD>         after a pregnancy occurs.
HJM> >
HJM> >YES!  I agree with you 100%!  (I read it over and I haven't found anything
HJM> >I disagree with.

HJM>              I didn't follow the entire argumentation here, but the proposa
HJM> looks very weird to me. Somehow, it reminds me of a kind of fascism. Anyway
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HJM> I think that the drug industry should develop a contraceptive pill for men.
HJM> Sex would then be more enjoyable than with a condom, and non legitimate fat
HJM> hood would probably decrease. That's my two cents worth.


Oh, please...

Fascism???

And what do you call it when a man who is out of work, is forced by a judge to
carry a placard saying that he's a deadbeat dad and "Please hire me so I can
pay my child support!"??

Somehow "Peace, Order and Good Government" does NOT come to mind here...

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