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From: dbucher@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Bucher)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Decsendents -> All
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:36:04 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1ehljcINNk5p@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> @prism.cs.orst.edu () writes:
>
>Someone told me that the Descendents basically changed names and became All...
>yet when I compared the names in the 2 groups I only found the drummer
>to be the same.  Anyone care to clear this up for me?  Also...recommendations
>on All would be appreciated...I have Percolater...what else do they have
>out that is worth getting?
>
>Thanx,
>Kelly


:-) you've made quite an astute observation and didn't even realize it.
The Descendents/All story is basically the Bill Stevenson story with 
other minor characters thrown in.  Actually there's one who was pretty
major, him being Milo.  The Descendents was Bill with Milo, All is Bill
without Milo. I don't mean to demean the other players (Tony L., Ray C.,
Stephan E.,et al.) because they are fantastic musicians (especially 
Stephan, who plays Cello in a symphony) but they just weren't the 
driving forces like Bill and Milo.

I wholeheatedly recommend:
	
	Descendents:
		MILO GOES TO COLLEGE
		I DON'T WANT TO GROW UP
		ALL

	All:
		ALLROY SEZ...
		ALLROY FOR PREZ

And I halfheartedly recommend:

	Descendents:
		ENJOY!

-Dan

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From: lint@leland.Stanford.EDU (Graham Spencer (NOUid 0091))
Subject: Dan from 411
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:43:22 GMT

In article <ares.285a@terapin.com> ares@terapin.com (Ted Mazzoli) writes:

 > BTW, anyone know any of the groups that Dan O'Mahony has been in,
 > besides 411 ?

Dan was in No For An Answer, a great band with an LP on Hawker
Records. After NFAA, he was in Voicebox and Carry Nation. I've never
heard Voicebox, but I really like the Carry Nation 7" on Workshed.
There's also a Carry Nation track on some compilation 7" (by
Nemesis? I can't remember).

--Graham
From: @prism.cs.orst.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: FEAR is on tour..
Date: 22 Nov 1992 10:10:20 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu

In article <By10zz.FAL@sdf.lonestar.org> 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones) writes:
>fear is back on tour... so, thank you fuck you thank you fuck you..
>
>-- 
>Stephen M. Jones (214)436-4622 
>SysAdmin <-> Super Dimension Fortress PAU 
>6o25@sdf.lonestar.org - "Put in a quarter and play road rally." - Descendents 

That's a very helpful little tidbit...now do you know where they are going to
be playing????

Kelly
From: aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: JAWBREAKER was Re:Downcast
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:20:42 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <ares.2a80@terapin.com> ares@terapin.com (Ted Mazzoli) writes:
>breaking up? When did this happen?
>And does anyone know of the name of Jawbreakers albums besideUNFUN  ?

the only other Jawbreaker album out is called BIVOUAC which just came out
under a month ago.  Pretty darn good, pretty darn different, pretty darn
A-okay in my book. the album has the entire chesterfield king ep on it, too. 
If you get the UNFUN cd which was just reissued in that format, you also get
the whack and blite ep/7" which came out a long long time ago when they were
from LA.

joe
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:01:50 EST
From: John A. Weiss <JW0482A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Tom Hopkins

Fuck Tom Eunuch.  Why weren't you at the breakfast nook this morning?
From: kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Damien Kixk)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Bikini Kill Lyrics: What Do They Mean?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:11:47 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Damien Kixk)
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Summary: I can't figure out what the song called 
         "thurston hearts the who" is trying to 
         get across.  Any decent suggestions?
Originator: kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu

       I've been listening to "thurston hearts the who" (it is
  a song of off Bikini Kill's new EP, Bikini Kill) and I can't
  quite figure out what the song is trying to get across.  Here
  is what the inset has the lyrics as being:

                  if sonic youth thinks you're
                  cool does that mean ever-
                  thing to you if you think
                  sonic youth is cool and you
                  think that they think that
                  you're not that cool does
                  that mean everything to you
                  does that mean everything to you
                  thurston hearts the who
                  how about you
                  thurston hearts the who
                  do you heart the who too
                  thurston hearts the who
                  how about you
                  thurston hearts the who
                  do you heart the who too
                  It's 5 am and we stayed out
                  all night - we've got nothing to
                  do except talk about you -
                  thurston hearts the who
                  do you heart the who too ...

       ... this is sung while, at the same time, a "lame article"
  is read out loud -- this article is about Bikini Kill and it 
  isn't exactly flattering.  It sounds to me like it is an article
  which was written by some critic and includes such sound bites as,
  "...it was sad to see a women so desperately confused [referring
  to kaThleeN, I would imagine]" and something to the effect of "the
  message of Bikini Kill is girl love but all that comes across is 
  man hate."

       So ... what's this thing about Sonic Youth?  Did Sonic Youth
  say something shitty about Bikini Kill at one time? did Sonic Youth
  write the article which is read kinda in the background?  Is this 
  a flame of Sonic Youth? or is this a flame on the opinion that for
  a women to call for revolution girl style and grab her crotch on
  stage -- that sort of thing -- makes for being desperately confused
  and they are using Sonic Youth as a symbol of a washed out, quasi-
  punk attitude?  Am I not anywhere near the mark?

       Any thoughts on the subject would be greatly appreciated ...
  e-mail to kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu.


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From: aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Cruz sale
Date: 21 Nov 1992 18:16:02 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov20.173221.1@sara.cc.utu.fi> viikari@sara.cc.utu.fi writes:
>
>aumentad@girtab.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER) writes:
>> 
>> for anyone interested there's a CRUZ sale goin on everywhere in case you didn't know already.
>> you can fill up on some ALL or CHEMICAL PEOPLE for real cheap.
>
>	Where can I buy these cheapos?
>		-t-


I've seen ads in both fiz and flipside for the sale.  they seem to have a
listing of definite places but from what people have told me the should be
going on at everystore that carries cruz but that doesn't seem to likely
to me.  For anybody in L.A., Aron's on Highland has the sale.  


joe


ps  I'm seeing Jawbreaker tonight at Jabberjaw.  (the last time i tried to
see them there the got canceled and just ended up selling stuff.  so it
was jawbreaker in front of jabberjaw selling jawbox/jawbreaker split 7"s.  
that's four jaws right there.)

Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: reeves@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (John F. Reeves)
Subject: Re: FEAR is on tour..
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:33:02 GMT

12/12/92 Hollywood Paladium w/ MDC and the Skatenigs

other dates? any news on a new record?


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Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: wc8376@writer.yorku.ca (Theodore Wong)
Subject: Looking for records
Keywords: looking for records
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:10:23 GMT


Okay, I know it's a longshot, but can anyone help me find the
following records?  If you can, please e-mail me.

Larm / Stanx - split LP
Declino - 12" and 7"
Urban Waste - 12" or 7"
Pandemonium - Wir Fahren Gegen Dreck LP
Comes - No Side 12"
Mellakka - both 7"s
S.O.D. (Sweden) - Speak Swedish Or Die 7"
Ataque Frontal - 7"
Neos - End All Discrimination 7"
Impact / Eu's Arse - split 7"
Rytmihairio - Surmatyo 7"
Ripcord - Harvest Hardcore 7" (U.S. pressing)
Genetic Control - First Impressions 7"
Bristles - Don't Give Up 7"
Outo - Shojikimono Wa Baka O Miru LP

and more...

I can pay a reasonable price or trade.  Thanks

ted       wc8376@writer.yorku.ca
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:25:45 EST
From: Martin Sekula <MXS180@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Shakespeare's Sister
 <1992Nov18.191313.9144@ncsu.edu> <1ee70cINNqso@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>

What the hell are the Shakespeare Sisters doing in a Hardcore news group?
From: pogo@lektroid.WPI.EDU (Chris Gual)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: MOSH!! (was pogo's pet peeves)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:38:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: lektroid.wpi.edu
Keywords: your momma is on the punk-list

In article <BxxGM3.L7H@sdf.lonestar.org> 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones) writes:
>man... pogo'ing is for pussies..

  yeah, whatever...

>you have to hurt people and be hurt      
>yourself...

  fuck violence. the last thing i do in a pit is try to hurt people or get
hurt. 

>for good references on moshing, attend a lollaluza show or
>any good funk band..  

  fuck lollapalooser. $30 to see a bunch of bands the should be playing in 
clubs. i think i'll spend $5 to see 3-4 good hardcore bands... 8)
  i think i got a handle on the moshing thing tho...

pogo



Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye)
Subject: [FAQ (again)][tirade]
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:51:34 GMT

Just to clarify and add to my last post - one thing that could be mentioned in
an FAQ file is what exactly this group is supposed to contain.  Hardcore as it
was or hardcore as it has become?  Are we restricting things to punk,
thrash/pop etc or does the fact that it was left out of the rock-n-roll
heirachy mean that hardcore anything (techno, metal,etc) is acceptable?

Some people seem to have something against metal, being of the
"oh-I'm-above-that-sort-of-stuff-it's-wankish-and-it-all-sounds-the-same-to-me"
mold that they accuse other people of.  A large number of metal bands don't
think much of classifications anyway and it is only the fans/reviewers who put
them in little slots.  How do you differentiate a garage punk/thrash band from
a garage thrash/metal band anyway?  Lyrics?  Napalm Death, for example, started
off life as a hardcore/grindcore/punk band and even though their musical style
has changed to what is commonly known as death metal, their lyrical content
remains on a similar theme - sociopolitical rather than the overboard
grotesqueries designed to appeal to 14 year olds more often found in "death
metal".

Anyway - food for thought FAQwise.  Supported comments welcomed.  Have a nice
day.  Slam Sensibly ... etc...

--Dave

Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: plowenstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Operation Ivy
Organization: Clark University
Date: 22 NOV 92 22:31:12 GMT

yeah, how about the new york citizens, i just saw the bosstones at assumption
and a band called steady ernest opened up, pretty cool, although the bosstones
were kicked off the stage because people were stage diving, stupid place to
have a osstone concert, at a catholic school. operation ivy i hear are good,
but never listened to them. i am sure you know of fishbone, who doesn't.
that's it
From: case@mcl.ucsb.edu (Marcos Saenz)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Response to Melvins question...
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:16:13 GMT

Yes, CRAZY N CRAZY, there is a new Melvins coming out! (BTW, if you 
haven't heard their solo albums, which are a play off the infamous
KISS solo albums, check those out too.) My band records in the same studio
with the Melvins (called Razor's Edge Studios in San Francisco, Ca.)
with the same producer (Johnathan Burnside). Last time we were in there, 
which was about 2 months ago, Johnathan played us the final mixes for
their new album, called "Lysol". It was supposed to be released about a
month ago, but it is still nowhere to be found. My guess is that the Melvins
are having trouble getting rights to the word "Lysol" or that their new 
label (I think it is Atlantic...a MAJOR!) is giving them static.

I can tell you that this album WILL twist your FUCKING head. I can't 
remember the names of the songs, but I have heard about 4 or 5 songs 
and they are monstrous! One song is about 25 to 30 minutes long and it is 
in true minimalist Melvins mode. Listen to it intoxicated...it changed
my life! Hahahahahaha...

One chord for the first 20 or so minutes!!!!!

Keep an eye out for it...coming soon. Also, if you want to hear about
my band, Fury 161 (here comes the shameless plug...), write to 
me at: case@mcl.ucsb.edu. We will be recording real soon, so ask abou
a demo...free!

C-ya, Marcos
From: sk4u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sharon L Kutnick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Suburbia Nostagia
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:12:30 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I think the funniest part is what happens to the chick in the pink prom
dress when she goes to the show!

sharon
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: jlitchfi@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Jon Litchfield)
Subject: Re: hello
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:50:45 GMT

In article <92323.223332TH5733A@auvm.american.edu> Thomas G. Hopkins <TH5733A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>My name is Tom. I like D.I.Y. hardcore, do you? I put out a zine. I can drop a
>lot of punk rock names. I am a smart punk.
>
>                                          F.S.U.
>                                             Tom Eunuch

like, wow. 
i'm suitably impressed.
From: pogo@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Gual)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Big Catholic Guilt!
Date: 15 Nov 1992 19:15:36 GMT
Organization: Russell Street HardCore
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: bad cop... no doughnut...

I saw Big Catholic Guilt last night at WPI's pub and they totally
kicked serious ass... really really good industrial a la Ministry but
more into the hardcore noise... I think I managed to sprain an ankle,
pull a calf muscle, and fuck up my elbow but it was worth it and I
felt no pain....

anyways they are playing in Providence RI on thursday with Emergency
Broadcast Network at someplace near Brown so check 'em out!!!

pogo
From: viikari@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Decsendents -> All
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:00:14 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

dbucher@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Bucher) writes:
> 
> I wholeheatedly recommend:
> 	
> 	Descendents:
> 		MILO GOES TO COLLEGE
> 		I DON'T WANT TO GROW UP
> 		ALL
> 
> 	All:
> 		ALLROY SEZ...
> 		ALLROY FOR PREZ

	I definitely recommend ALL's Allroy's Revenge lp/CD. IMO it's
	their by far best lp they've done. The above mentioned stuff is
	exellent, too.

			-t-
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver)
Subject: Re: Screeching Weasel
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:35:04 GMT

In article <of42T0600iUzM4i1IX@andrew.cmu.edu> Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>On 22-Nov-92 in Screeching Weasel            
>user Dave Oleksy@envmsa.eas.a writes:
>>   Does anyone know if Screeching Weasel is still around??  Thanks
>
>Yes, as a matter of fact, they are.  They should have a new album out
>now on Lookout Records.  It is called _Wiggle_, and was supposed to be
>out "in October", according to the Screeching Weasel newsletter my
>roommate got.  I haven't seen it yet, though, and when my roommate tried
>to order it about three weeks ago, Lookout said it wasn't in yet.  Also,
>they are currently recording an album of Ramones covers that should be
>out "soon".  Finally, they'll start touring sometime early next year.

*-----------*

And after they tour, they are breaking up.  Whether or not it
will be permanent this time, I don't know.  But they will be
breaking up next year.

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From: grenier@aludra.usc.edu (Adrian Grenier)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Dan O'Mahony
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:12:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I have heard a Voicebox song, I think 411 did it too called "Flesh". Anyone
know where or what?

Dan is kinda preachy, actually VERY preachy, but he is really intense in what
he does, which I respect. If he is up in Berkely, does that mean he will be
teaming up with a Lookout! band, wow the best of both worlds, cool.

I was telling a friend that since 411 and Insted are both no longer with us, 
Carry Nation should do something (just pull Frank from Zed records and borrow
Gavin from Triggerman and there you go) - wont happen.

			-adrian 
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: rkvicker@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Rob Vickers)
Subject: Re: SNFU : Live in LONDON (Was Re: Spitboy/Jack Acid/SNFU)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.123047.8925@ac.dal.ca>, shecky@ac.dal.ca writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.125804.18476@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Danny Graham) writes:
> > [stuff deleted]
> > 
> >>>also, does anyone know how i can go about getting anything (vinal, CD,
> >>>cassette) by a band called SNFU?
> > 
> >>Did 'nt they break up?
> > 
> > They did break up about three years ago - but I was reading NME yesterday,
> > and they are playing TONIGHT, in London (at Camden Underworld). They
> > reformed and haven't told anyone - Why am I in Manchester and not London ?
> > (This is corroborated by Melody Maker and Kerang!)
> > 
> > Their best album is entitled "...and no one else wanted to play" - Bloody ace!
> > 
> > Danny
>    
>   It's true, they did reform. If you want more info, there's a recent interview
>  with them in a new zine (just out) called Mass Turbulence. E-mail me if you
>  want the address.
Okay.  What's up with this band?  When they put out the album "Last of the big  time suspenders", nothing new came out.  That is, everything on the album was
either from other albums or from old demos.  Could it be true that Chi Pig has
become a money-grubber?  To tell you the truth, I met him at a gig in Guelph and I don't have a very high opinion of him as a result.
	Also, I saw the bassist in another band, I can't remember their name 
but I do know that there were also members from Junior Gone Wild.  In fact, in
my opinion, this group was better than SNFU.  Check them out!



Rob Vickers
Stay stoked, the snow is coming.
"I've met lot's of snowboarders who used to ski, but I've never met  
ANYONE who used to SNOWBOARD."--Dan Donnelly
> 
> 							d
>
From: kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Damien Kixk)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Wanted: Dates and Places for Shows
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:29:17 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: wi
Reply-To: kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Damien Kixk)
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Originator: kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu

       So, can anyone tell me about show decent shows ... ?  The closer
  to Milwaukee the better but I'd still apreciate information about some
  shows that aren't Brew City central.  Thanx much ... 

damien
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From: igj@amy13.stanford.edu (Ian Glen Jacobs)
Subject: Re: 7 seconds
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:38:46 GMT


> >They are on Cargo and the band includes Steve (Youth)... The CD is  
> >so-so... certainly not like the first time I heard "The Crew"... but  
> >interesting... more "grown-up" I guess...
> 
> 

> DROP ACID does NOT have Steve Youth in it.  It has brent from
> inner strength, crhis from 7 secs and d-vision and kev.  that's
> it.  the second ep has some other clowns, not steve tho. i'm
> sure of that.
> 
>  


SORRY.... you are right... Steve played with them live when I saw them as  
Burn Baby Burn and I just assumed he was still in the band... checked my  
CD (which never gets listened to) and behold Steve is only mentioned in  
Kevin's thank-yous (always the polite brother, ain't he?)

Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye)
Subject: [sticky filth lyrics][alt.m.hc FAQ]
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:31:05 GMT

Rightio.  I've tried almost everywhere else with little success so it would
seem that here is the place to try.

Can anyone send me or post the lyrics to "Weep Woman Weep" by New Zealand punk
band Sticky Filth.  I beleive the track is off their self titled album.  I have
most of them, but not all, that I picked up off the recording and while I could
always make "Whaaarghgh" noises over the bits I don't know while performing the
song I am hoping to do better.

Anyone out there able to help?


Also, anyone out there feel like volunteering to help put together an FAQ file? 
Ths group seems to have taken off quite nicely and soon may well be in need of
one.
From: mcsdc1gm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: <None>
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:24:46 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology




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Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: arebold@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: MOSH!! (was pogo's pet peeves)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 20 NOV 92 19:14:06 GMT



(Oi!) x 1000  Pogo!


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