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From: paul@tct.com (Paul Levin)
Subject: Re: How's it like to run OS/2 in 4M?
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:38:11 GMT

According to byu@white.toronto.edu (Benjamin Yu):
>I am considering getting a laptop with only 4M/80M.  It is a 386sxl/25.
>(That's all I can afford now!) I would really like to run OS/2 on it but 
>would it run really slow to the point that it is unusable?
>
>Any commemts are welcome!
>Benjamin Yu


I used OS/2 for about 3 weeks with only 4M, while I was diagnosing a 
problem with one of my SIMMs.  It is usable but frustrating.  You'll
find yourself being very carefull what you do, so a to not open
new windows unless you absolutely need them -- since opening a new
window takes forever.  It also takes about 5 minutes for the system to
come up.

When I located the bad SIMM and got it's replacement, I was back up to 8M.
WHAT A DIFFERENCE !!!  Using OS/2 with 8M, or even 6M is pure joy, compared
to a 4M system.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Thomas (Ted) Lilley)
Subject: Re: What is thunking?
Keywords: thunking
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:12:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.160148.23811@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC) writes:
>I've heard this term, "thunking," used at least a couple of times in the
>OS/2 newsgroups and would like to see a detailed explanation of what exactly
>thunking is/does.
>Plus, I'm curious if it's a bad or smart way to do whatever it does.
>
>So, essentially, what is thunking and does it have merits?

From what I understand (I claim no true expertise), thunking is simply the
process of converting a 16-bit API call to a 32-bit API call, or vice-versa.
This is necessary, for instance, for the dos emulation under OS/2, since it's
16-bit but has to work through the 32-bit OS/2 architecture.

So, thunking itself is not inherently good or bad, simply because it's a
necessary process for the system.  A particular implementation may be good
or bad, but I certainly don't know enough to judge that.

Any corrections are welcome.

Ted
From: harald@vall.dsv.su.se (Harald Fragner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: What are these clowns thinking?
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:05:46 GMT
Organization: Stockholm University, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Robert Cain (rcain@netcom.com) wrote:
: What are these clowns thinking sending out a beta that can't overinstall,
: can't preserve our desktop and can't keep our winos2 setup.  This is
: the height of insolent laziness.  Do they think our time is free?
: When I get one that takes my time into consideration I might think
: about installing it.  Anybody want a set of useless (to me) beta
: 32 bit GRE and Win 3.1 disks?

Well you don't have to install the beta if you don't want to. Beta versions
are supposed to have bugs and flaws, and the beta testers are supposed to
report those to the programmers so they can be fixed.

If you don't want your copy, please send it to me. I would have ordered
one myself if only I could, but I can't since I live in Europe and have
no access to 800-numbers. I would like to make a quick review of this
beta for a magazine I work for so your copy might even end up giving OS/2
some positive publicity.

Harald Fragner
Sunnanbyplan 13
163 71 Spanga
SWEDEN

/Harald
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mrice@mozart.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Mark W. Rice)
Subject: Adaptec (backup, cd-rom, etc.)
Organization: Your Organization Here
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 15:13:04 GMT


If you have/know Adaptec, please reply.

First, What's the difference between 154x and ... is it 152x?
Second, Is Adaptec SCSI-2?

Now, concerning OS/2... I'm going to tell you my understanding.
Please pick holes in my knowledge and let me know what parts are
true/not true.  This will help me and probably others, a lot.

Please no one believe what I'm saying until a more knowledgable
person confirms that I'm correct/incorrect.  Thanks.

The SCSI interface is used between the peripherals and the adaptor.
The interface between the adaptor and the PC (bus) is Adaptec's 
own (but all have permission to use??) ASPI.  ASPI is supported by
OS/2.  Consequently, If one has Adaptec, and he/she buys a SCSI device
that is standard (disk drives, removable media, etc.) it should work.

Now, what does that mean for tape drives (SCSI)?
Does there have to be a standard for the drive itself (above being SCSI)?
For example, can a QIC-80 be SCSI?  
Does OS/2 support only certain standards for the tape unit?
Is it more dependent on the backup software?
What about CD-ROMS?  Will any SCSI CD work?
If not, what other standards should one look at to be sure it works with OS/2?
Any hints for any other devices?

I'm trying to see what benefits Adaptec (or the like) would give.  If it truly
eliminates LOTS of compatibility headaches, I want to decide with that info.

I'll summarize and post.

Please reply to:

mark.rice@ColumbiaSC.ncr.com


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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 12:18:22 MDT
From: earlyd@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: ATI Integra drivers



I'm not sure if this made it to the group.


I need drivers fro an ATI Integra (sp ?) card.


Anybody heard of this board??

Much thanks

Dave Early
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: VSVGA.SYS nonsense
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:27:33 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

checker@acf5.NYU.EDU (checker) writes:


>I'm getting a little sick of not being able to switch back to full
>(non-garbled) screen OS/2 and DOS sessions from my nice high resolution
>WPS (using the Trident drivers).  Certainly others are having the same
>problem; I've seen many articles on the matter.  I've tried the newest
>vsvga.sys from software.watson, but it didn't help at all.  IBM support
>seems to indicate that ET4000 users are having the same problems.
>Is anyone out there using the Trident 8900C/1MB with the 1024x768x256
>color drivers that is able to switch to an from non-garbled full screen
>text sessions?

>Chris
I have the same trouble with the new ATI wonder drivers - starting up a
full screen DOS is fine, but if I switch to the Desktop and then back to
the fs DOS it's a mess- looks like entirely the wrong sync. So I'm using
joel's old drivers- no trouble there.
From: victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng)
Subject: Max/2, Doors, OS2YOU
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:43:02 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 09-26-92 20:37
>Maximus will not run DOS doors directly because of the way OS/2 handles the
>COM port. What you can do is run OS2YOU (needs to be v2.7 or newer I recall)
>as a doorway to DOS programs from your BBS. I personally have not done this,
>but I've many messages from sysops who have done this successfully.

Can anyone verify that this works?  If it does work, can you show
exactly what the command was to run the DOS door?

Thanks
Vic
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From: pfreeman@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Paul Freeman)
Subject: Problem using external SCSI tape drive
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:37:09 GMT

I have a Tandberg tape drive hooked up external with an
Adaptec controller.  I am using the current (beta?) aspitar and tape
drivers and it works great.  However, since the drive is external,
I would like to leave it powered down or disconnected except when
I am using it.  The problem is, if I don't power up the drive
when I start up OS/2, the system hangs when it loads one of 
the drivers (SCSI or tape driver, I don't know which).  The MSDOS
counterparts of the drivers will report that no drives are
connected and quit trying, but in OS/2 the system hangs indefinately.

Has anyone else seen this.  It is a real inconvenience to me because
I use the tape drive on two different computers and don't want to
always have to hook it up just to run OS/2 on my computer.

Thanks in advance for any assistance

- Paul Freeman  (pfreeman@eecs.umich.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu (Robert Losee)
Subject: I Want Disk D Minimized on Startup
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:25:14 GMT

I'd appreciate any help and suggestions to try.  This makes a good 
project to figure out how to control the machine.  Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Ed.Holzwarth@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ed Holzwarth)
Subject: What is the advantage of the 32 bit GRE?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:52:49 GMT


What is the advantage of a 32bit GRE over a 16bit.  I do not have an EISA
machine, so therefore my (Diamond Speedstar SuperVGA w/ 1mg) is not a
32bit card.  It is certainly not going to give me 32bit video... Just what
is it going to do?

Thanks,
Ed Holzwarth

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From: Barry.King@ttlg.UUCP (Barry King)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Irwin tape drive / backup softare
Date: 26 Sep 92 08:23:15 GMT

In a msg on <Sep 18 19:53>, -Unknown- of 42:1000/2 writes:

 -> In article <w73aRB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, 
 -> wayned@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Wayne Desmond) writes:
>> I am running the Irwin A250 with the 4100A SuperTrak Controller and IBM 
>> PMTape version 2.01.  It works great under OS/2 2.0.  I get about 6-7 
>> megs a minute on a backup.  I'd suggest the A250 and the controller.  I 
>> tried it on my Gateway 2000 486/33C using the floppy controller and 
>> performance was terrible.  Very happy with the A250 and controller tho.
>> 
>> 

 -> This sounds great, I have to replace my Mountain tape backup as 
 -> it runs off the floppy controller and thus will not work under 
 -> OS/2 (shared interrupts are not allowed). My questions are:

 -> Douglas Clifton [99clifto@lab.cc.wmich.edu]

My Irwin drive runs just fine off the floppy controller.  I also have a dedicated tape i/f for the tape unit but the drive worked fine under OS/2 1.3 without the interface with EzTape/PM.

 * Origin: The OS/2 Connection - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (42:100/31)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: stimpy@nmt.edu (Stimpy)
Subject: Ctr-ESC when ATI has problems....NOT!
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:00:11 GMT

>As a start, try CTRL+ESC. After some seconds, a dialog box should appear
>telling you that the desktop isn't responding to the system, and asks if
>you want it to be ended. Confirm, if another box appears telling details

Yes, but what if the above doesn't work. I've got problems with my ATI
Graphics Ultra (not totally sure, but people have told me it's the problem)
so that when I run a win-os2 app, and then go back to WPS (either Alt-ESC
or end the win-os2 app) and try to start a DOS window'ed session, everything
just hangs. Totally. For testing purposes, if I try to start a DOS Fullscreen
app, I can give keyboard input, but my entire screen is blank. Does anyone
else have this problem?

-Jr



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OS/2..."It's like butter" (SNL quote)
From: gazo@server.uwindsor.ca (The Gaz.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Os/2 v2.0 & Plus HardCard XL 105 compatibility.
Date: 6 Oct 1992 18:57:39 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Okay, guys.  I've got a Maxtor 80M IDE drive, a 100M Connor IDE drive, and the afforementioned HardCard XL 105, by Quantum.  This is a SCSI drive.  Thing is, to get them all to co-exist, under DOS, I have to partition the first drive into two or more partitions, and the HardCard locks on as E:.  If I don't do this, it doesn't get recognized at all.

Under Os/2 2.0, things get worse.  The HardCard is not recognized at all.  If I run the device driver for it, which was designed for Os/2 1.3, but should still work, the system always locks up right at the end of the Os/2 logo screen.  I have to boot off floppy and edit my config.sys, which no one likes.

I run a '386/40 with 8M 70ns ram, a STB PowerGraph Vga card, and I want to know if anyone can get similar goodies to work.

					Paul S. Gazo
					gazo@server.uwindsor.ca
From: hamilton@eng.umd.edu (Andrew W. Hamilton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ftp site for os/2?
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:01:52 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: hamilton@analog.eng.umd.edu


ftp-os2.nmsu.edu
From: pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Close)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: So what's the word on 32-bit ET4000 drivers?
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:49:31 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@sgi.com (Paul Close)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: lunch.wpd.sgi.com
Originator: pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com

Doug Azzarito (azzarito@cse.fau.edu) writes:
>aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler) writes:
>>
>>I "pestered" Diamond - they do not have a date. My best bet is to sell my
>>card - anyone interested in a Stealth card? 
>
>I'd like to take advantage of this excellent opportunity, but I won't trick
>you into selling your card cheap.  Instead, I'll tell you to get ready to ftp
>the "OS/2 2.0 Service Pack."  It should hit ftp sites next week, and you may
>find files with names like: TSENG480.DLL, TSENG600.DLL, TSENG768.DLL on one of
>the disks.  Hmmmm, what could those files do??? :-)

Sorry, he said Stealth.  The Stealth is a S3 card.  If you think there are
files that handle S3 cards, you will make many people very, very happy.
However, I for one would be surprised to see them.

That's just one of the reasons I returned my stealth card and bought a
SpeedSTAR.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos)
Subject: Re: crash.com - should it crash OS/2 on mc?
Organization: UNLV Computer Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:51:20 GMT

In article <1881@vall.dsv.su.se> harald@vall.dsv.su.se (Harald Fragner) writes:
>A few months ago the 3-byte crash.com was discussed here, a DOS-program
>looking like this:
>
>100 cli
>101 jmp 101
>
>If I remember correctly, the consensus then was this program would crash
>OS/2 running on ISA, but not OS/2 running on EISA or MC since they have
>some "watchdog timer" which re-enables the interrupts after some time.
>
>Last week I had the opportunity to run crash.com on a PS/2-90 and it
>died just as efficiently as my own ISA machine. So what's wrong here?

You have to wait for awhile for the watchdog timer, are you sure you
waited long enough?

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: strange boot problems
From: elejw@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (James Williams)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:31:18 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Keywords: os2

I have this strange problem when I am booting os2 v2. about half the time
(or maybe more than half) it gets to just past the logo screen, then beeps,
and displays the message "os2! sys2069 correct problem and reboot"
The other half of the time, it gets to this stage, and displays a "can't
find c:\os2\keyboard.dcp, press enter to continue" message. I them press enter
and it boots fine, and works. eyboard.dcp is there, when I do a dir , too.
I have had os2 installed for a month, and It's been working fine , till this
 problem started to occur about a month ago. Can anyone help? It's really 
pissing me off! I'm running a 20Mhz 386dx, with 2 oldsh MFM HDDs, and 8mb of
dram memory.

Another problem I have is that when I UPLOAD in te2 1.2, I can't do anything
 else! Doenloading works fine.

Help appreciated!
Thanks
JW

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris)
Subject: Re: Doing Multiple Simultaneous Floppy Copies
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:40:57 GMT

>>I tried to format two floppies (3.5 and 5.25) simultaneously and was 
>>disappointed that the two drive lights alternated, i.e. I did not seem to
>>get any speedup.

>I think something like a SCSI floppy controller (if such a beast is
>possible) would be necessary, or atleast something coprocessed,
>probably with some on-board memory - a bit much for a $50 floppy.

Let's think electronically about this...

SCSI-I won't even do it simultaneously.  I'm looking at a SCSI 50 pin diagram
right now.  There are only 8 data lines.  Each one for one bit of information.
This means that only one drive can talk at a time.  They all multiplex the
data bus.

Now, I haven't seen a pinout for SCSI-II so I don't know what it can do.

______________________________________________________________________________
     Michael Harris - harris@catt.ncsu.edu or harris@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com
 System Administrator, Computer & Technologies Theme Program, NC State Univ.
(My opinions are my own and do not represent those of NCSU or IBM Corporation)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr)
Subject: Crashes with TE/2 - have you seen this
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:04:35 GMT

I've liked what I've seen with TE/2 and think I should pay my shareware 
fee, but I've run into a problem.  Got four crashes while running TE/2
while doing other things (diskcopy & assorted other programs).

Two of the crashes were Trap 2's followed by "internal processing error"
information as follows:

	##0160:fff6453f - 000d:a53f

	60000, 9084

	0038600d1

	Internal revision 6.311, 92/05/14

The other two were simply internal processing errors, both as follows:

	##0160:fff64ae0 - 000d:aae0

	60002, 9084

	0038600d1

	Internal revision 6.311, 92/05/14

I've only had one crash since I got my ET4000 video working until this
incident.  The crashes stopped when I gave up telecommunicating.  I tried
to revert to using Telix in a VDM which used to work fine, but now, it
would just hang -- it was getting late and I had to finish what I was 
doing and get some sleep, so I put it off for another day.

TE/2 has worked fine before, though I've never really tried to do any-
thing else actively while it was running before.  Telix would also work
fine.  Since then, I've applied the commga patch -- perhaps I should
take that out?

I also know that there's a new commpak.dll which I obtained this morn-
ing.  Anyone seen this problem before?  Any suggestions?

Thanks, Larry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jsanchez@polari.online.com
Subject: How do I add a new Disk to existing system?
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:14:42 GMT

I have a running dual-boot system with a c: (FAT) and D: (HPFS) partition
on a 240 MB Quantum drive on an adapted 1542B.  Well I found a new Quantum
425 MB drive at a swap meet and want to add it to the system.  I would
like to be able to boot from either drive and have the new drive with the
beta os2/win31 stuff on it and select the boot device using boot manager.
I would also like to eventually repartition the original drive and
increase the FAT partition size (my wife's job needs real windows).  Any
and all suggestions are appreciated.  Now I'm off to make up a new scsi
cable...
Thanks to all
-- 
Jim Sanchez 
Hughes LAN Systems - Bellevue, WA (206)828-7417
Internet: jim@hls.com OR jsanchez@polari.online.com
UUCP: ..!uunet!polari!jsanchez
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: scott@enge1.cc.wm.edu
Subject: ERROR loading PROTMAN.OS2
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:43:06 GMT

I getting an error when PROTMAN.OS2 loads. It scrolls by quickly but here is
the meat of the message.

SYS0317 Cannot read error message from file. 049.


I checked and verified the file is there and not corrupt. The systems comes
up and seems to work OK, I just want to get rid of the error message.

Scott

scott@enge1.cc.wm.edu



Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jsanchez@polari.online.com
Subject: Adding Second Disk to Existing System - Help!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:34:39 GMT

I have added a second scsi drive to my existing os2 v.2 system and am
having a bit of trouble with the setup.  I have a FAT and HPFS system on
the existing drive using the dual boot.  When I set up the second hard
disk with FDISK (either from os/2 or DOS) the system refuses to book
afterwards giving the dreaded "cannot find COUNTRY.SYS" error message.
Yes, I read the FAQ and disconnected the tape drive to NO effect.  If I go
to DOS and delete the active partition on the second drive using FDISK
then the system boots OS/2 ok.  It always boots DOS alright but I cannot
get OS/2 to boot IF a valid partition exists on the second drive.  The
second drive is a Quantum 455 MB if that matters.

On an unrelated subject, can anyone tell me why the CDROM.SYS driver will
NOT load.  I have a cdrom connected to the scsi buss but cannot get the
stupid driver to load.  Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks
-- 
Jim Sanchez 
Hughes LAN Systems - Bellevue, WA (206)828-7417
Internet: jim@hls.com OR jsanchez@polari.online.com
UUCP: ..!uunet!polari!jsanchez
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: locicero-joe@CS.YALE.EDU (Joe LoCicero)
Subject: Re: Beta GRE/WinOS2 3.1
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:34:27 GMT

In article <hatton.717366786@cgl.ucsf.edu> hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes:
>locicero-joe@CS.YALE.EDU (Joe LoCicero) writes:
>>Also, I couldn't get the ET4000 drivers for Win3.1 to display at all...
>>the system crashed with "Error Loading DISPLAY.DRV."
>
>I can use the vga468s.drv driver for ET4000's with the beta, and it
>behaves, and is as speedy as under Win in most instances. Are you trying
>to use "turbo" drivers, perchance? These seem to cause problems with some
>ET4000 cards even under DOS/Win. Also, you *have* set up the card
>and monitor combo by doing any appropriate frequency/res commands
>before running SVGA ON in a full-screen DOS session, yes?
>
I think that I forgot to do this... (the good ol' VMODE MONITOR program...)
so I'll try reinstalling those drivers now.


>>I've noticed some other ET4000 problems too, like OS/2 Full Screens
>>displaying in a sort of graphical text mode (like if you were typing
>>behind a GR screen on the old Apple //e)... which I can fix by typing
>>MODE CO80 at the "prompt."
>
>This I definitely have not seen. Which ET4000 card do you have? Or are
>you talking about the new "skinny" fonts?
>
>Tom
No, I'm talking about a sort of interesting BLOCK typing... where you
type the letter "A" and you get a block of vertical lines that are green
and purple.  If I close and reopen the window enough times, it goes away
as well.  But MODE CO80 works just as well.  :-)

-JoLo.

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