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From: jvogel@math.rutgers.edu (jeff vogel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Cerebus 166 (Minor Spoilers)
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:43:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Spoilers for Cerebus 166




Ahh, that was much better. While I enjoyed M&D immensely early in its run,
lately the random veering of its many plots, most of which didn't appeal,
was starting to wear a bit thin.

Fortunately, M&D 16 was a wonderful switch. It concentrated at last on two
over-neglected elements, the One True Ascension, and What's Been Going On
In the Aardvark's Head.

I loved the way Sim combined the dreamy/symbolic elements with the confusion
of the outside world (I found the previous "visions" issues a bit heavy).
The suspense worked for me, and, for once, I eagerly await the next issue.

On the down side, the letters pages are still dominated with the eternal
Gary Groth debate. However, the Cerebus Preview was suprisingly interesting.

						- Jeff Vogel
						Rutgers Math
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From: Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon)
Subject: Sandman - Bring on the C's
Organization: Motorola_Codex
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:37:11 GMT

After following the recent 'flip side to the Endless", I thought it would be
interesting to come up with the alternate names for the Endless, given what
we've seen so far...

Destruction - Creation or Change (from all over Brief Lives)
Death       - Conception         (present at every birth?)
Destiny     - Choice             (not pre-ordained? I get to choose?)
Dream       - Consciousness (sic?) (all right..I'm stretching)
Delirium    - Control            (I think I just snapped)

Any help on the remaining Endless?

Any help on the really bad ones above? 
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: costumed vigilantes
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:34:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.190216.3732@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>
>Logistical and legal
>difficulties limit costumed  wackos' effectiveness in the real world.
>
You mean like not being bitten by radioactive spiders, or being the last
son of a dead planet which happened to have a red sun?

:-)

Mike

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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Politeness and the Usenet (was Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:51:21 GMT

lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard) writes:
>(Johnston)
>>>As for telling people not to use Usenet groups so much, well, I think
>>>you're way out of line.  If you don't like my opinions, feel free to
>>>not read them.  

>(Williams)
>>For one thing, I didn't tell *anyone* to not use Usenet groups so much.

>You said something to the effect that he should quit reading so much
>news and read more comics.  I can only speak for myself, but you came
>off as a hothead to me.

Naturally, as you could guess, I've had e-mail responses going both ways on
this.

I stick by my original assessment: I found Mr. Johnston's post extremely
patronizing when it came to the comment about being "familiar with comics."
I would *expect* people to be familiar with comics if they're posting here
(usually because those who aren't familiar with it say so).

I found nothing in his post beyond restatement of his original points, and
IMO, those points had no substance to back them up.  (Okay, there's not as
much plot development as he desired.  How much more did he expect?  For
that matter *what* did he expect?)

I responded in what I considered an appropriate manner to the post.  If you
don't like that, start hitting that "k" key now.

OTOH, you might also look at the current discussion in another JLA thread.
In that particular thread, they're actually *discussing* the book, not
simply complaining about it.


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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:46:16 GMT

In article <93023.152004DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Anybody think Constantine partied a
>  little TOO hearty in #63?  I mean, all
>  of a sudden everybody's toking.  What an
>  influence this could have on impressionable
>  young minds.

Um, could that be the reason this is a "Mature Readers" comic book?...

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From: an1252@anon.penet.fi (Gabriel Stevens)
Subject: Re: Doomsday (was Re: Ways around Supes' invulnerability?)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:14:14 GMT

In article <73831@cup.portal.com> you write:
>From: DrAllosaurus@cup.portal.com (Samuel DrAllosaurs Crider)
>Subject: Re: Doomsday (was Re: Ways around Supes' invulnerability?)
>Date: 19 Jan 93 00:17:07 GMT
>Heck.Why not?
>
>This is a thought that occured to me late last night:
>Is Superman vulnerable to Earth microorganisms? (has he ever caught a 
>cold or flu?) If not, then his "dead" body won't decay (or at least will
>only very slowly). Fairly easy for his spirit to return and reanimate it
>then.
>
>Dr. Allosaurus
>(haven't read the book in a long while, but was big Supes fan back in the
>late 60's).
>drallosaurus@cup.portal.com

Cool idea.  I've been wondering about all of the wounds Supes recieved.  
Couldn't Cadmius get tissue samples from one of them?  That wound he took in 
the side looked pretty deep (from the "elbow jab").  Oh yeah, he's not 
vulnerable to Earth microorganisms.  In Superman #2, it was stated that he's 
never even had as much as a cold.
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:46:12 GMT

mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:


>At the moment Stanley and His Monster by Foglio is certainly
>right up there.
>Also, any Ambush Bug is always a danger to top the list.

You really think that highly of the Ambush Bug stuff?  I liked
his early appearances, especially the Legion of Substitute Heros
meeting and the first mini-series.  But the second mini-series
and the Nothing Special didn't quite work for me.

Still I chuckle when I think back to that first mini-series,
including Kwantis, the Koala that Walks Like a Man....
   "Aww, cute!"
and Cheeks the Toy Wonder, and all the characters excluded from
DC's Who Who (I'm fuzzy on this one, but I think I've got the
right series.  It's been years since I read it.  Time to do so
again...)

Tom
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: solar reckoning in Sandman
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:50:44 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>Maybe they're at different altitudes.  Besides, only at the equinoxes does
>the sun rise and set at opposite points on the horizon.  To judge by the
>flowers on Ms. Constantine's grave, it's well past the vernal equinox.
>And for all we know Orpheus has borrowed a cloaking device from Star Trek.

So Dream should be able to trace him through his engine emissions, right?

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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: HATE Rape
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:30:17 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

ucda@toontown.uucp (Chris Andersen) writes:

>I didn't get the impression Bagge was "just trying to get a
>laugh" with these sequences.  I didn't find anything "funny"
>about them and neither do I think Bagge meant them to be 
>"funny".  What I feel he is doing is portraying a very
>sick relationship between two very fucked up individuals.
>Such relationships do exist (I've known people who are very
>much like Buddy and Lisa).

Yes he was doing just as you say but he was doing it in a way
to get laughs at the same time. 

>I find it interesting that people are actually reading these
>sequences as if they were intended to be funny.  Where did 
>people get the impression that "HATE" was supposed to be a 
>humor comic?  Does this says more about the people who are

If Hate is not a humour comic then why does Bagge draw in that
style?

Jed
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From: arromdee@godel.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:21:17 GMT

In article <6285@comton.airs.com> ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor) writes:
>I can assert the truth of the Odyssey while denying the actual
>existence of Odysseus, Penelope and Telemachus, to say nothing of
>Polyphemus.

I thought I covered this already.  In fact, I'm sure of it.  The kind of truth
that you are talking about is not the kind of truth relevant to my criticism.
If Sandman _is_ true in that sense, so what?  That doesn't mitigate the other
problems.

>If this prevents you from enjoying the story, then you shouldn't read
>the story.  Not everybody has to like everything.

It's odd that when I criticize something like LSH, nobody tells me "if you
don't like it, stop reading it, but shut up about it".  Yet I find it difficult
to read the above as other than exactly that, applied to Sandman.  Why can I not
continue to verbalize my problems with Sandman just as with any other comic?
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:01:35 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Just a few thoughts and questions on the latest installment....

1) When Dream was standing with Delirium on the grave of Johanna Constantine,
was Dream shivering because (1) he had just broken his promise to himself,
which we know from SOM and other places is against the heart of his nature,
or (2) because he was standing on Johanna's grave, or something more?

2) Once again we got more references to change, kind of like being hit
with a lead brick, unfortunately.  Destruction with his cooking, Delirium
having the same color eyes (didn't she do this last issue, and even before
Dream notices this issue?), etc.  I don't have the issue in front of me,
but I'm sure there were others.

3) Does anyone think we'll *never* see who Dream got so upset over?  That
she might be waiting for him for this final meeting but it will be like his
meeting with Orpheus...i.e. off-panel?  

4) What does anyone think the outcome of the entire story might be?  From
the current evidence it looks like Delirium is going to change into something
else, but perhaps one of the Endless might die?  Maybe Destruction or Delirium?
There was a reference, I think from Destiny, to this (again) this issue.

I'm glad Dream finally caught up with Destruction...the storyline had begun
to drag a little bit.

Oh, one last question:

In the flashback scenes, what did the scene with the Corinthian refer to?
Is this something we haven't seen before, an even in the past we don't know
about?  Blood on the throne of the Dreaming....  

--dave

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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE '93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Did Ya' Notice in Future Imperfect
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:37:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1jksq6INNr4j@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mikecap@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:
>In article <C155z8.1zE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ftw33616@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (.) writes:
>>jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>>Dang.  can someone e-mail me a list of everything in the picture?
>>has someone been keeping a running list?
>Me Too, If some individual would be so kind, but don't repost.  :)
>Thanks in advance!

Me3!  
--MikE....my copy of FI #1 is at home.  sigh.


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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: When was the destruction of Daxam?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:37:40 GMT

danw@sierra.com (Dan Williams - Contractor):
>Text:  The definitive autobiography of Lar Gand.

----The Recton Universe, cont.------

One day Lar Gand (Valor) found a rocket with an unconcious lad
in it.  Around the lad's neck was a plaque with Daxamite writing,
signed by Lar's father.  As the lad had no memory, and clearly had
Daxamite superpowers,  and he was found on a Monday, Lar Gand (Valor) 
named him Mon Gand.

Later Lar learns that Mon Gand is not from Daxam, but is a space traveller
from Krypton, whose natives have similar powers but are killed by
kryptonite poisoning, not lead...

[Recitation of Superboy/Mon-Gand's week in the Legion of Superheroes omitted.]

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"One of my favorite games when I was a kid was 'murder/suicide.'
 Dad would show us a photo and ask us, "Is it a murder or a suicide?"
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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
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Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:10:19 GMT


leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:

>I figured that the Corinithin scene was in the past, since the
>Corinthian is no more.  But perhaps Dream reconstitutes him to fulfill
>his boon to Orpheus.  Therefore, Dream isn't directly involved, and
>the Kindly Ones' wrath is not drawn.


If a Dream that Dream created (or re-created) killed Orpheus, then I
think everyone would still hold Dream responsible.  I think that's why
Dream had to use a human agent to rescue Orpheus in the first place --
if a dream did then it would be the same as Dream doing it.  But I
don't know that a human agent would be willing to pay the price for
killing Orpheus - no matter what the reward from Dream.  Loki or Puck
might be willing ...

later, david
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From: mamcconnell@happy.colorado.edu (Mark (MacBear) McConnell)
Subject: Re: Grimjack
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:24:04 MDT

In article <1js41jINNsn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
> 
> For Grimjack to come back, someone would have to buy the
>  rights off of Frist's bankruptcy lawyers, who are not
>  allowing much negotiation on prices.  
> 
Yes they are.  First is very likely going to seel all of their
properties.  As I understand it, they will pay percentages to
most of their creditors, while the creators will receive
*nothing*.  If it happens (emphasis on if), the current
negotiators trying to get the properties are represented by
Mike Gold.  I don't know how good of an idea this is.

mam
 
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From: andrew@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Defiant looks interesting...
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:40:57 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.


Well, I have been catching up on my comics news via Comics International
and specifically reading snipits of information on the formation of Defiant
by Jim Shooter with David Lapham and Janet Jackson. The first Defiant
publication, Plasm, looks scheduled for the summer. Looks interesting.

Shooter is quoted thus (printed without permission)

"I think my best talent" he stated, "is to get good creative people and 
conduct the orchestra. Getting them to play in harmony and build something
better than any individual person could do by himself."

	He concluded, "There are lots of better creative people than me, but
my career has been unusual. While most of the people trained by Mort Weisinger
and Stan Lee, have gone on to be artists and writers, no one else went as 
deeply as I did into management studies, editorial finance, movie business,
licensing etc. I developed a unique package of skills.

	"I can conduct the orchestra."


Jim Shooter is guest of honour at the forthcoming Glasgow 93 Comic Art Con as 
Defiant Editor in Chief. Should prove quite informative.

On another point I have heard people saying that Valiant have gone downhill
ever since Shooter left. Does anyone agree? Personally, I have only just
started buying Valiant titles, and I like most of them, particularly
Archer and Armstrong.

cheers,
Andy W


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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:50:27 GMT
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Sam And Max, if only for the immortal (paraphrased):

Max: Look Sam!  Santa got caught in the bear trap I set under the
tree!  And he gnawed off his own leg to escape!  ...Just kidding!

Sam: You crack me up, little buddy.

Max: He ate the cookies you left out!  He must have an iron gut!  And
he backwashed in his milk-- I could sell this!


--
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From: rap50204@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Underdog )
Subject: Signed by McFarlane!  (I swear it is!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:27:35 GMT



Last summer most of the Image artists came to the Chicago Comicon. 
I went and brought along few Amazing Spider-man comics drawn by Todd
McFarlane.  There was a limit of one signature per person per artist.
So I gave Mr. McFarlane my Amazing Spider-man #300 to sign.  He put his 
autograph right on the cover.  Now, if I tried to sell that comic, would 
I get top-dollar even though I have no proof of him signing it except for
an eyewitness and a ticket stub to the Comicon?  Do I need a picture of him
signing the comics in order to prove the signature is authentic?

Just wondering,

Underdog.


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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:34:51 -0500 
From: Eric Thomas Pronko <punisher+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
	<C1511E.MFp@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

i kinda lean towards what the?!, but i agree that the tick is quite
awesome for its humor if not for its other qualities...

i have not read groo for a number of years, but if it's still as good
as it was then, it's great.

**notice** both the tick and groo have as their main char someone who
is too ignorant for their own good (as far as i remember)...

my thoughts.

eric
From: rjung@sal-sun43.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:15:39 -0800
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In article <5702@disuns2.epfl.ch> SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias) writes:
>In <16B5CCB4F.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> mason writes:
>>In article <73979@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>>The funniest comic is "Groo the Wanderer."
>>  
>> I keep telling people this, but they never believe me.  Possibly
>> you have to be a few marbles short of a full bag to appreciate it.
>
>	Hmmm... I dunno about Groo too much, but IMHO Phil Foglio's stuff is
>definitely hilarious. Especially his adaptation of Robert Asprin's Myth-Books.

  I dunno. The four issues of SLAPSTICK were almost as funny as all of my
GROOs put together. I dream of what could be done with an unlimited SLAPSTICK
series.

  And not to sound like a drooling fanboy, because I've never been written as
a STAR TREK, HULK, or X-FACTOR character (Admiral Galloway, indeed), but I
_do_ enjoy PAD's comic stuff. Especially X-FACTOR, which has a bit more
latitude to be funny, and with those two wonderful "former nobodys", Guido
and Jamie Madrox.

						--R.J.
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Farmer in the Glenn)
Subject: Re: DC - Death - The High Cost of Living #1 (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:11:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.100731.9198@samba.oit.unc.edu> Andrew.Brooks@launchpad.unc.edu (Andrew Brooks) writes:


>Zoz
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

I don't know about the rest of youse, but I like this .sig heaps better :^)
Thanx, Zoz

Pax ex machina,
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