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From: merlyn@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Initial release (was Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?))
Reply-To: merlyn@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Organization: Stonehenge; netaccess via Intel, Beaverton, Oregon, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:16:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.222329.13455@cs.umn.edu>, pockrand@cs (Mitch Pockrandt) writes:
| "Episode IV: A New Hope" appeared on the opening trailer at the 
| second theatrical release.  (I think this was during 1979, but 
| I'm not sure at the moment.)  During the initial release, which 
| ran from May 1977 through at least March 1978 (in Kansas City 
| anyway) there never was a mention of an episode number.

In Portland Oregon, it ran something like 79(!) weeks, the longest
continuous run anywhere in the *world*.  (They had some sort of "you
must show this until attendance drops below X per week" clause in the
contract, and it never dropped below X!)

I am very very very sure (as in, having saw that print [actually about
three prints] about 50 or 60 times before I lost count) that the
original release did *not* have Episode IV anywhere in it.

And, I've seen (and had my hands on) a videotape (Beta II, 3rd
generation) of the same such film.  Such a tape would be worth a
fortune at this point, being a part of history now.  Alas, all the
releases (including the first cable showing) have been the retitled
version.

By the way, greater Portland has some 50 first-run screens for a
population of about a half-million, making it probably the largest
first-run screen per capita anywhere in the world.  We take our movies
seriously... you gotta have something to do around here when it rains,
and it rains all the time. :-)

Just another Star Wars fan-atic,
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From: st186@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Splinter??!?
Reply-To: st186@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.050339.21581@cs.tulane.edu>, jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan) writes:
>When I saw the subject line of this post, I had just read the trivia
>question dealing with Yoda and Fozzie Bear, so I immediately thought of
>Splinter from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and this thought
>popped into my head... did Jim Henson do Splinter's voice, too? 
>Misti
	
	". . . too?"  Surely you don't intend to suggest that Jim Henson
was Yoda and Fozzie Bear?  Jim Henson did Kermit and many other great
muppet characters, however, Yoda and Fozze Bear, as well as Miss Piggy,
were the creations of Frank Oz

Davidius
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From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Subject: Re: Excuse me for my ignorance...(SWRPG)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:55:34 GMT

In article <74218@netnews.upenn.edu> forbes@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Andrew H. Forbes) writes:
>
>SW blurb trivia question: IN what movie (and scene) are the following
>two words said (excuse the spelling)
>
>"Nerf Herder"
>

This is easy for any SW buff.  It occurred in Empire, when Luke was recovering
form the Hoth Wampa Mosnster attack in the Rebel Base.  Leia called Han a
"scruffy-looking Nerf Herder" to which Han answers, "WHO's scruffy-looking?"

					Mike Fan

Here's my Trivia question:  Who wasn't at his post?  If you don't understand
this question, you need to watch the movies some more.
From: jjl5730@usl.edu (Lancon Jeff J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harrison Ford
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:09:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Apr15.210909.10668
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Apr15.142347.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>I just wanted to have the thrill of posting to the new news-group!
>
>Let's see...Star Wars...hmmmmmmmm...well let me say that Harrison Ford is 
>my favorite adventure actor of all time, and _Star Wars_ is what really
>launched his career (I mean how many people *really* saw _The Frisco Kid_ 
>and _Force Ten From Navarrone_ in the theater?)  That's all for now...
>
	I did  :)  also saw the Witness, and every one of his recent hits.

	How many of you read Heir to the Empire?  I found it to be a great
	book.  I could easily see it made into a movie in the same league
	as the original Star Wars Saga.

	It also has the potential to be really trashed if it isn't produced
	well.

	Who do you think will get the parts, when and if they do make it     
	into a movie?  Also, did the second book in the series come out
	yet?

>And May The Force.....just kidding.  :^)
>(Is this going to be done to death, or what?!?)  
>

>Greg Bole                           Indiana Jones - "Professor of Archeology,
>bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu        expert on the occult, and how does one 
>                                    say it?  Obtainer of rare antiquities."
>                                         _Raiders of the Lost Ark_

	How bout "May the Net Force Be With You!"                  

	**** grin *****


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From: joltes@husc4.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The "Force"---- an inconsistency?
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:11:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

cs132093@cs.brown.edu (Mark "?" Prince) writes:

>jasjit@cc.gatech.edu (Jasjit Singh) writes:
>?> There seems to be a logical consistency in the concept of "force".
>?> Remember, when Luke has his ship sunk in the mud(?) when he goes to meet
>?> Yoda?  After using the "force" to recover the ship, Yoda tells Luke that
>?> nothing is big or small for the "force". In other words, he seems to indicate
>?> that anything of any size can be moved about using the "force" with equal
>?> ease. If so, why doesn't Luke use the force to destroy the death star, and
>?> the power generator ?? Perhaps the "dark side" that the emperor and Darth Vader
>?> used to derive their powers from would prevent that. But then, once the
>?> emperor and Vader were taken care of, could Luke use the force to say throw
>?> the death star  intro the sun, and hence destry it without risking the lives
>?> of the rebel fleet that attacked the death star?
>
>A Jedi gives a knight his power, but he must concentrate to use
>it...if it took that much effort to raise the x-wing fighter from the
>bog, then hom much harder would it be for Luke to throw the Death Star
>into the sun?  Not only would it take a much larger force than
>possible through the use of the force by one individual....maybe Yoda
>could, but Luke was not master of his Jedi Skills at the time.  ("Only
>when you face Vader, will you be jedi." --Yoda)

Ahh.  No, not really.  Remember in TESB when Yoda is training Luke, there's
a scene in the jungle:

Yoda: "remember, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge of events, and NEVER for
      attack."

Luke: "But tell me why..."

Yoda: "No! No! There is no why!  Enough have I taught you today.  Clear your
      mind of questions."

I think throwing the deathstar into the sun would be considered an attack!
Remember also that the Jedi aren't supermen--they're warriors who are very
highly trained and somewhat enhanced by their knowledge of the Force.  If
they could trash entire armies with a thought the Empire never would have
been founded!

Also, by using such power to kill they would have become like those who *did*
worship the Dark Side.

All IMHO...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dick Joltes						joltes@husc.harvard.edu
Harvard University Science Center

"Mind you, not as bad as the night Archie Pettigrew ate some
sheep's testicles for a bet...God, that bloody sheep kicked him..."
From: ted4646@sigma.tamu.edu (kid eternity)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Antilles
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:21:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes:
> 
>>Woah:  I just noticed something I never saw/heard before, looking up that
>>reference where C3P0 says "our last master"...The holograph of Leia is playing
>>and Luke says "she's beautiful" and 3P0 says "I believe she was a passenger on
>>our last voyage (not quoting directly here, anymore), a person of some
>>importance if I recall".  Then he begins to say "Our captain was attached
>>to..."  Anybody know what the hell he's about to say here, before Luke cuts him
>>off?
> 


I thought it was something about being attached to a certain unit or something.





thomas



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From: masanag@athena.mit.edu (Masahiko Nagamiya)
Subject: Re: Star Wars the video game
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:34:12 GMT

Our fraternity house has the original STAR WARS game, the type you can find at
movie theaters... you know. Anyway, you're in an X-wing, you shoot Tie-fighters
until you approach the Death Star, and then you shoot towers and other things
that shoot at you. Then you go into the trench, where there are many obstacles,
and if you use the force (don't shoot at anything) and hit the hole thingy
you get bonus points for using the force. It's a cool game, and I don't have
to pay money every time I play it. Cool, huh? 

-Masa

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From: geiger@cae.wisc.edu (Joey Geiger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:56:23 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

According to Cinefantasique June 1992, George Lucas says he will
not be doing another Starwars movie.  He is bored with the concept.

He will also not do any more Indiana Jones films (obviously...)

The "Heir to the Empire" book may help change his mind though..
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From: zezula@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Chad E Zezula)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS 1st Trivia
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:11:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.135046.8543@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Mike Kelleher <kellehe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>Triva Question:
>
>	Who was Luke in the first few writings of the Star Wars Script?
>
   I think the name was Luke Starkiller.  What do I win if correct?

Chad
From: v128juxa@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Schuyjuannah)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars:  The Radio Series...
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:17:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY@Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <slrm2INN4os@network.ucsd.edu>, erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) writes...
>Does anyone remember the Radio Adaptation of Star Wars that ran on NPR?
>Does anyone still have a copy?  Is it available anywhere?  How many
>episodes was it?  They did one for TESB too, didn't they?  But not for TROTJ?
I remember the SW/TESB radio series on NPR. I used to have the Empire episodes
on tape. (not anymore now). 

I know for one thing: they did stuff not in the original films and I liked
that kind of development of the films. 
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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Fake Star Wars Scenes 
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:26:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.070539.1502@wam.umd.edu> sharon@wam.umd.edu (sharon) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.215522.18730@acsu.buffalo.edu> v122jr52@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Thomas H Dunning) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr15.205718.18842@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, gat@forsight.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) writes...
>>>In article <1992Apr15.183517.3247@muddcs.claremont.edu> ksun@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kang Sun) writes:
>>>>
>>>>I think that is true.  Star Wars started with Episode IV rather than I.
>>> 
>>>I don't think this is quite true.  All of the videos and re-releases of
>>>Star Wars now open tantalizingly with the title "Episode IV: A New Age"
>>>or whatever it is.  But way back in 1977 when Star Wars first came out it
>>>was just Star Wars.  No episode number, no talk of a Grand Plan.
>>
>>We just had a 35mm copy of Star Wars here at SUNY Buffalo a few weeks back
>>and it clearly had a "Chapter IV" or some other such designation.
>>While this could be a re-release, I find that doubtful considering the
>>shape the film was in and the cost for 35mm prints.
>>
>>						td
>
> I don't believe that it had anything about episode IV in the original 
>title - please reference my other post about the film being edited. - Did 
>your copy have the ce port scene in it ? 

Do any of you guys read alt.tv.twin-peaks ? If you do, I sense something about
to start here that has recently plagued that group: the creation of fake
scripts. [For the non-Peakers, recently the main thread, and by "main" I mean
hundreds of articles, was discussion of a "missing" episode seen only in a
few remote parts of the US, which many people took seriously, but it turned
out to be fake and just made up by some ingenious netter.] 

Anyway, all I am saying is watch out, since people are already starting to
say things like: "I *SWEAR* I remember the ----- scene from the original
movie..." Now DON'T get me wrong, I'm not saying they are lying about these
"extra" scenes, but sooner or later someone will just make something up and
generate a whole lot of useless net mail, as everyone on the group searches for
some obscure bit of the movie which doesn't really exist.

By the way, did anyone see that bit from the first release when the rebels
built a fake Death Star and made it orbit round the real one using remote
control ?  :-)
From: WILLIAMS@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS? (1st post?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:50:57 GMT
 <92106.181934EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> <15APR199219310660@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

According to the Publicity (take with major bags of salt) at the time,
Lucas had nine notebooks filled up with SW material (although I tend to
agree with those who found JEDI a bit soggy), and he started with part
IV for two reasons. First of all, it the piece least dependent on the
others and  it had the best ending. In other words, fairly self-contained.
Who would have thought he was unleashing a major industry at the time?

Secondly, the "PART IV" opening (My brain cells don't recall the "NEW HOPE"
title until pre-Empire re-releases) was meant to recall Saturday morning
serials (a la "Commando Cody, as recently seen on MST3K).

Ta. May the Etc. Etc.
From: vaughnl@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (Luke Vaughn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Splinter??!?(Or Book between SW and TESB)
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:30:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.

I remember seeing somewhere one time a different book that was supposed to be
a connector between SW and TESB about why they left Yavin and why they moved to 
Hoth, plus some other stuff about Solo Robbing an Imperial Treasury for the
Alliance.

Anyone Know the Title?

-Luke
From: nickh@pogo.wv.tek.com (Jonathon Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harrison Ford
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:12:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.


Before American Grafiti Harrison Ford was also in Apocalypse Now and yes
it was a small part but before AG none the less and not smaller by
any means


Nick Harris

nickh@pogo.wv.tek.com
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From: cole@concert.net (Derrick C. Cole)
Subject: Re: Excuse me for my ignorance...(SWRPG)
Organization: MCNC Data Operations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:44:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.162752.29173@news.nd.edu> jshiely@twain.helios.nd.edu (james shiely) writes:
>
>	AA-23

Detention block where Leia was held.

>	xp-38

New model of landspeeder?

>	3263827

Pressure maintenance hatch of the trash compactor.

>	94

Docking bay on Mos Eisley where the Falcon was berthed.

>	PT-16

Wild guess:  The craft in which Luke used to "bulls-eye Womp Rats back home."

>	2637

Not sure.  If this is in reference to Leia's cell number, I thought it was
2187.

>	1-5-7 and 9

"... release chocks..."  Heard over the loudspeaker as the Falcon was being
moored in Bay 327.

Derrick

-- 
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From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Wars:  The Radio Series...
Date: 17 Apr 1992 06:36:50 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu

Does anyone remember the Radio Adaptation of Star Wars that ran on NPR?
Does anyone still have a copy?  Is it available anywhere?  How many
episodes was it?  They did one for TESB too, didn't they?  But not for TROTJ?

My memory now is sort of confused between scenes of the movie and scenes from
the radio series...  Anyone remeber the scene on Tatooine where Luke races
Biggs through the canyon...  What other scenes can people remember?


---Sean Erwin


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From: v090mffy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Rich aka Dead Security)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Film Fests
Summary: Seeing the Star Wars Trilogy in one sitting
Keywords: But hurts :^( , First Post
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.035548.22518@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes...
>A couple years ago, a local theatre had a SW film fest, showing all 3 movies
>back to back....It was great seeing them on the big screen again - I was
>wondering if this type of event happens a lot around the country or not...

	A couple of years ago, a local theatre in Buffalo (Shea's Buffalo) 
showed the entire trilogy one saturday. The best part was that if you were a 
member of a local video rental chain, you and 3 others got in for free!

	Though the sound was not THX or Dolby, the effect of seing it on the
big WIDE screen was astounding ! The only problem was that there were too 
many screaming kids in the theater for my taste. The worst problem was that
your rear end really hurt after sitting for so many hours !

				So until then (to be hokey),

"aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper"



							-- Dead Security --
								TNG
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From: edotto@uipsuxb.ps.uiuc.edu (Edward C. Otto III)
Subject: Re: The last *ever* one was in Portland (was Re: Film Fests)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:31:40 GMT

joshuali@sal-sun79.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:


>	Sorry pal, they had one of those "see it for the last time in the 
>	theater" deals here in LA also.
>	
>	YES it is true that EMPIRE and JEDI are being pulled from circulation
>	but the first is NOT.

Actually - I run these back-to-back-to-back as often as I can get enough
friends together to make it worthwhile...

Think that my last SWFest was three or 4 months ago...
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From: vidarthi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jay Vidarthi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: THX-1138
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:04:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

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From: ss1@gloin.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:27:54 GMT

>You may be right about the long-range plans, though I am pretty sure it's always
>been Lucas' plan to make 9, but you're a bit off about Episode IV.  In the
>scrolling text at the beginning of the movie, it says "Episode IV:  A New
>Hope."
>So, it's always been #4, and I think it also shows that George has always
>planned to make 1-3.


I followed a similar thread that went on forever a while back in
rec.arts.sf-lovers.  The general drift was that in 1977, several copies
of the film shown in theaters did have "Episode IV:  A New Hope", but the
majority did not.
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From: n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m e bracher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS? (1st post?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:32:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr15.183242.4362
Organization: Western Washington University

pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip) writes:

>This is the 1st post at my site. Is it the first at your site?  
>Has the force been with you?

>Well, some years ago I've heard vague story that there are altogether 9
>volumes of STAR WARS all set (or planned?), with the movie trilogy making
>up the middle three of the saga. The first trilogy would tell something
>about Jedi during the late Republic. The last trilogy should tell stories
>about the second Republic. 

>Is it true? Or is it just rumor?

>Patrick

yes -- it's true.

or, at least, it was.

rumour has it that the first film is now in preproduction ...
but I'll let some more knowledgeable person out there correct
me and then chastise me for my inaccuracy and outdated
information.

and also yes, this is the first Star Wars post at my site.
rather nice, I didn't realize that it existed (although I *do*
remember seeing the talk regarding its creation).  maybe we
could move all the SW stuff from rec.arts.comics in here?

- amtt
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