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From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Was Culture now it's children's books
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:23:49 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov10.151900.197@otago.ac.nz>, barryp@otago.ac.nz writes:
> In article <472311@zl2tnm.gen.nz>, don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
>> jonathan@CS.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) writes:
>>> But if only the hedgehogs were growing and smoking dope it would
>>> clearly be New Zealand culture, and nothing else.
>> 
>> Apparently, the British hedgehog fraternity were somewhat put out by the
>> dope smoking hedgehogs in that cartoon.
>> 
> But the dope-smoking hedgehogs is part of NZ identity.  The allusion comes from
> stories of hedghogs eating snails that had been feeding on backyard dope
> plantations.  The hedghogs lose orientation and wander onto roads in broad
> daylight getting flattened.
> 
> Barry Phease

Why did the hedgehog cross the road?

He wanted to show his girlfriend he had guts.


Why did the other hedgehog cross the road?

She wanted to see her flatmate.

-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
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From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ National Debt
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:02:59 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov8.193042.4248@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
> In article <1992Nov7.024739.20924@actrix.gen.nz> Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.122931.12003@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>> In article <Bx8yAu.L3y@rice.edu>, byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
>>

[Deleted]

> I don't think anyone who has been to a third world country would consider
> making the above comparison.  Not unless Invercargill hospital has started 
> drying the surgical gloves for future use, have run out of anesthetic, run 
> out of disinfectant, re-use disposable syringes because they can't get any 
> more...
>

God talk about humour impared.

Anyway. Actually some hospitals here do re-use disposable surgical equipment,
there was a stink about it several months (a year?) ago, that a hospital board
was re-using surgical equipment (Like trach tubes etc) that were supposed to be
thrown away after a single use.
 
> I bet they even supply food at Invercargill hospital.
> 
> When the relatives of the patients have to supply the food and cook it 
> over open fires next to the ward _then_ you can call it a third world 
> hospital.
> 
> Mind you the rural roads could learn a bit from Namibia...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
> Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
> consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
> "If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
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 soundness and validity.
From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Clinton/Gore beat (Wairarapa?) Bush
Date: 4 Nov 92 19:02:26 GMT
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design, Oakland CA

I was reflecting this morning on last nights US election results, because
of country/culture shifts this has been the first time a candidate I supported
won while I was in the same country since 1975 ...

I left NZ for the US the day after Marylin Waring crossed the floor and voted
with Labour against US nuclear warships ...

	Paul

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    "There once was a president named Bush, we started giving him a push,
     Then we went hunting Quayle, got the Republicans nailed,
     And tossed them out on their tush" - Anon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: salmons@acuson.com (Dale Salmons)
Subject: Traveling with ATM Cards in NZ
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:15:36 GMT

I will be traveling to New Zealand for several months of bike touring
from Jan-Mar 93.  Friends have told me that one can take their 
ATM cards from American Banks and withdraw money throughout 
England and perhaps other parts of Western Europe.  

Can I use my ATM (Star Network) at Banks in New Zealand?
How does the currency exchange work with this?

Any info is greatly appreciated
From: jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk (John C Sager)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Trade War (from: NZ news to 7/11/92)
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:19:05 GMT
Organization: British Telecommunications plc


In <2AFDFFCD.17665@ics.uci.edu>, fielding@simplon.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding)
writes:

>The only reasons I can think of for New Zealand not to profit from it are:

>1) the unlikely possibility of New Zealand joining in the trade war, or
>2) the likely possibility that France will take advantage of the situation
>   and slap some extra tarrifs on NZ imports.

I know the French Government still have bad feelings towards NZ after
friction over nuclear testing at Muraroa & the Rainbow Warrior incident, but they
would find it difficult to put on extra tariffs unilaterally, especially after
the end of 1992, when we start the single market in the EEC. The French
approach is rather more oblique. A few years ago, in the face of a large
influx of video recorders from Japan, competing with European makes,
they decreed that all VCR imports should be cleared through a customs
post in Poitiers, which was run by one man and a dog. This effectively
reduced the flow of imports to a trickle for a while.

John C Sager					Mail:	B67 G18, BT Labs
Email:	jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk				Martlesham Heath
Tel:	+44 473 642623					IPSWICH  IP5 7RE
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Wanted: Maori words for use as a program name
Organization: Actrix Networks
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:45:56 GMT

In article <83387@ut-emx.uucp> pjm@ut-emx.uucp (Phillip MacQueen) writes:
> 
>   I'm trying to choose a suitable name for a new computer program at the
> moment, and I'd like the name to be a Maori word with a meaning which is
> relevant to the purpose of the program.  I haven't been able to choose a
> name because my knowledge of Maori is rather limited.  I'd appreciate
> greatly any suggestions that may have to offer.
>   What the program does is control an image detector system on a telescope
> for astronomical observations, and also the astronomical instrument that
> manipulates the light collected by the telescope before it is detected and
> converted into an image by that image detector system.
>   As an example of a name, this new program is a re-write of an existing
> program called Argus which cannot be upgraded to current computing
> standards.  Argus is the name of an ancient Greek God and/or Monster.
> Argus, it was said, had a hundred eyes around his head.  He could see
> everywhere and all things at once.  It's a very appropriate name for the
> program.
>   Names might have meanings like starlight, viewing the stars, God of the
> heavens/stars/night, vision/sight (master/controller), starwatcher,
> astronomer, and so on.  It would be best if the name is quite short and
> not too hard to say or spell.  The name Atarau (Moonlight) wouldn't be a
> good choice because moonlight is generally a curse to astronomers.
>   You could send suggestions via e-mail directly to me at
> pjm@Wairau.as.utexas.edu, or post them to this news group.  Thanks for
> any suggestions that you have to offer.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Phillip J. MacQueen                 McDonald Observatory,
>   Intenet: pjm@Wairau.as.utexas.edu   The University of Texas at Austin,
>   Voice: U.S.A. (512) 471-1470        RLM 15-308,
>   FAX:   U.S.A. (512) 471-6016        Austin, Texas 78712, U.S.A.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
whetu - star
kotiri - meteor
marama - moon
rangi - sky  (Rangi is the sky father)
Tawhaki - legendary hero to ascended to the sky land; personification
of lightning
Tawhiri-matea - god of wind
Kopu - the planet Venus

Any use?
-- 
| The floggings will continue until morale improves
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Moving to NZ (?)
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:54:54 +1300
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov6.004209.14746@massey.ac.nz>, H.Edwards@massey.ac.nz (H. Edwards) writes:
> Kiwifruit for $2.50/kg?  Is that typical of Wellington?  

Ok, that was the price at a fairly large city fruit shop, I will check out 
supermarket prices tomorrow. I think Wellington fruit and vege prices do 
tend to be higher than some other places because of the distance from the 
gardens and orchards. Christchurch has market gardens dotted all around the 
edge of the suburbs (and sometimes actually in the suburbs), but in
Wellington you have to go a little way out. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: c42394a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (Hammad Amin)
Subject: searching for a freind
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:16:19 GMT

I am looking for a freind in MacGuill (spelling?) University
Department of Computer Science.
Her name is Dina Kaiyal, she is Syrienne and she is going to
graduate this year. 
If it happens that you know about her, please send me a message
by e-mail.

Thank you

Amin Hammad
Nagoya University, Japan.
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: !*! In Flanders Fields ... !*!
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:11:32 GMT
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems

In <gall.720927904@yorku.ca> gall@nexus.yorku.ca (Norm Gall) writes:

>the poem reads:

>     In Flanders Fields

>In Flanders fields the poppies blow
>Between the crosses, row on row,
>That mark our place; and in the sky
>The larks, still bravely singing, fly
>Scarce heard amid the guns below.

>We are the Dead.  Short days ago
>We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset grow,
>Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
>     In Flanders fields.

>Take up our quarrel with the foe:
>To you from failing hands we throw
> The torch; be yours to hold it high.
> If ye break faith with us who die
>We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
>     In Flanders fields.

>Dec 8, 1915                John McCrae


How uncanny! the lines 'To you with failing hands ....' were
running through my mind just the other day. You have to know,
all non-Canadians, that there is probably not a person near
my age who did not memorize McCrae's poem in his/her school
days. And oddly enough, Dec 8th is my birthday - 31 for the
second time round. Thank you for this post.

>LCol John McCrae was a medical officer with the Royal Canadian
>Artillery during WWI.

Bob.
From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:43:11 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <WARKENT.92Nov10103106@ltisun14.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.175935.17729@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) wrote:
>> [Bilingual labelling]
>> is a social engineering policy adopted by the gov't.
>
>This is rich, especially coming from the person who complained about
>French articles in these newsgroups.
>
>So spell out the details Wayne.  Is the government is engaged in a secret
>campaign to turn all Canadians into francophones?  Is it a plot to condition

AS I recall, the requirement for bilingual labelling was part of an effort
to allow people to "live in French". Now I agreed with this policy then and
still agree with it but it still does not detract from the fact that
bilingual labelling requirements were part of a government social engineering
effort along wityh the Official langiages Act among other things.

Certain comments have been made about the economic rationality of bilingual
labels on national products. The invenetory and administrative costs of
separating unilingually labelled products would dwarf the minor costs of
providing labelling in both languages. However bilingual labelling was also
required on products which were marketed for local consumption only.
AS I recall, the government was quite inflexible about this requirement.
Mnaufacturers were not allowed to use their unilingual inventory. This
caused some resentment.

Now please don't associate me with Smith's attitude to the French language.
In Ottawa, with bilingual signs everywhere, people learn the meaning of
the signage in both languages and can use them interchangably.



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i.sinature
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.english
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: TERMIUM on CD-ROM
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:12:15 GMT



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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8368 can.politics:9444
From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:27:16 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
]Do you do this just to bug me?  If I wanted a french conversation, I would
]have posted in french.  
]
]This is ridiculous. Do you really expect (or want?) me or any other unilingual
]anglophone to respond to this?
]I swear you're doing this to bother me, because I can see no other logical
]explanation...

Retourne donc precher a l'APEC espece de dinausore ambulant. Cretin.

Hasta luego.
-- 
                                                       Francois Audet
                                                           '
        Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754     Facsimile: (613) 592-4784
                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM
From: garry@monarch.eng.ufl.edu (Garry Peterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: !*! In Flanders Fields ... !*!
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:14:04 GMT
Reply-To: garry@monarch.zoo.ufl.edu (Garry Peterson)
Organization: ARTHUR MARSHALL LAB

'In Flanders Fields' is an example of the crap which helps
manufacture the death we remember on Nov. 11.

Try one of these not so glorious poems instead.


Do Not Weep

Do not weep, maiden, for war is kind.
Because your lover threw wild hands towards the sky
And the affightened steed ran on alone,
Do not weep.
War is kind.

     Hoarse, booming drums of the regiment,
     Little souls who thirst for fight,
     These men were born to drill and die,
     The unexplained glory flies above them,
     Great is the battle-god, great, and his kingdom -
     A field where a thousand corpses lie.

Do not weep, babe, for war is kind.
Because your father tumbled in the yellow trenches,
Raged at his breast, gulped and died,
Do not weep.
War is kind.

     Swift blazing flag of the regiment,
     Eagle with creast of red and gold,
     These men were born to drill and die,
     Point for them the virtue of slaughter,
     Make plain to them the excellence of killing
     And a field where a thousand corpses lie.

Mother whose heart hung humble as a button
On the bright splendid shroud of your son,
Do not weep.
War is kind.

-Stephen Crane



The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner

From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, and loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

-Randall Jarrell



And remember the wars of today.
The families they shatter,
the lovers they are taking,
the lives they are rubbing out,
and ripping apart.


Garry Peterson
Arthur R. Marshall Lab, University of Florida
From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:25:46 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <891078p.31.720980362@ace.acadiau.ca>, 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.001432.16345@cs.uoregon.edu> cwilson@cs.uoregon.edu (Chris Wilson) writes:
>>From: cwilson@cs.uoregon.edu (Chris Wilson)
>>Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
>>Date: 5 Nov 92 00:14:32 GMT
>>In article <1992Nov4.193239.22790@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,
>>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>> 
>>>> ...  Also, Mexico is not a
>>>>democracy ...
>>>
>>> 
>>> By Canada's standards, the US is hardly a democracy either.  Senators
>>> and Congressmen only lose their seats when they die, retire, or
>>> convicted of a serious felony...

Or if the people in which he/she represants are fed up with being ignored
by there own rep. in Congress.... In Mass, we had Rep. Nick Maveroulas.
He's currently facing serious legal problems for influence peddling,
accepting bribes and the like.  On tuesday, he lost by a signifant margain
to a republican.   Also in Mass, Rep. Joe Early lost because
of his role in the check bouncing scandel.....
Both of these reps. lost to Republicans in a very Democratic state..
Which goes to show you, that public opinion plays a major
role in the reelection of a member of congress.


 
>>This reminds me of the story - perhaps apocryphal, certainly plausible -
>>about a member of the Canadian Senate who died during a session.
>>Assuming he was asleep, no one noticed until the end of the day.
>>
>   Just goes to show how they waste time.  Sleeping on the job !!

Did you here how Clinton fell asleep in the Bathroom in his plane
on the way back to Little Rock??? Now that's really sleeping on
the job :-)...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: burke@seachg.uucp (Michael Burke)
Subject: Re: Quebec Immigration Powers (was: Another American's view)
Reply-To: burke@seachg.UUCP (Michael Burke)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 23:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct29.213302.10237@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi) writes:
> 
> Two quick questions:
> 
> 1. Does a Canadian permanent resident need a visa to enter the US?
Depends on where the resident came from. British and some others - no; many
other places - yes.
> 
> 2. Does a Canadian permanent resident need a permit to work in the US?
Yup!
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8443 can.politics:9560
From: warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:31:06 GMT
	<1992Nov9.155746.22154@pandora.matrox.com>
	<1992Nov9.175935.17729@julian.uwo.ca>
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca's message of 9 Nov 92 17:59:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.175935.17729@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) wrote:
> [Bilingual labelling]
> is a social engineering policy adopted by the gov't.

This is rich, especially coming from the person who complained about
French articles in these newsgroups.

So spell out the details Wayne.  Is the government is engaged in a secret
campaign to turn all Canadians into francophones?  Is it a plot to condition
English Canadians to orient cans and boxes such that the French part is
hidden, thus ensuring that we re-elect the Conservatives?  Is it
psychological warfare to discourage and destabilise those who cannot
bear to have to deal with a language they do not understand?
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: ttj@ee.ualberta.ca (Janacek Thomas)
Subject: work permission
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:33:54 GMT

Hi Bettina & others - I don't think you stand too much a chance for standard
work permission (given doubel-digit unemployment..) nut you can try 
student's exchange programs - this should work OK (AIESEC, IAESTE, perhaps
SWAP - there sure are others I do not know of - you can ask at Canadian
embassy. Bye now
				Thomas

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: ca-nada
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:38:04 GMT

In article <DRT.92Nov2145449@e51-007-6.mit.edu> drt@athena.mit.edu (David R Tucker) writes:
>
>OK ... now, why is it that Canada's automobile abbreviation (you know
>what I mean ... those white stickers next to the licence plate) is
>*C D N*, eh????  (I thought "Dominian of Canada" or "Canadian Dominion"
>had been eliminated).  A French citizen and I couldn't find *any* Canadian
>who could explain this while we were watching the referendum results.
>"uh....gee....ummm....I dunno...."

CanaDiaN.  or CanaDieN.

Either CDN is easier to remember than CND, or CND meant something older
(Congregation Notre-Dame is a possibility) and they blocked CND,
or the one who choosed the abbreviation was dislexic.

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