HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: News requires redesign and re-implementation
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Silicon Design Division
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:07:18 GMT

In <1992Apr6.043053.9468@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <BM5qLo.HG8@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) responds:
>>I think you are overreacting, but if you can find us a fast, unpatented,
>>unbroken, exportable, reversible, public-key cryptosystem, we'll be
>>delighted to use it.

>Are you being perhaps too picky, Geoff? Within limits, I personally wouldn't 
>mind ditching the "fast" criterion, if I get rid of these "wars" and assorted 
>foolishness. And "fast" is a very relative term, given the rate at which CPU 
>technology is advancing these days anyway (I'm assuming of course that most of 
>the performance problems with crypt routines relates to CPU-crunching (?)).
>Besides, compared to B News, C News gives me all this extra performance I 
>don't know what to do with; why not put it to a higher use? :-)

[ include all previous flames here ]

Plus, no matter how fast it was, it would still slow down relaynews if
every article had to be checked.  Even if the calculation was as fast
as "1+1" there would still be a huge overhead of looking up in some
database of secret codes or etc.

However, it would be useful if the additional information was inserted
as a header line (or whatever) and relaynews were to just pass it on as
usual.  Then from the newsreader the user could pipe the message to a
"check validity" program that would spend the time doing the formula,
looking up secret codes (well, public codes) in the database, etc.  The
output, however would be one of:

   "Sorry, no verification information included.  I just don't know."

   "It definately came from who it claims to have come from the account
at the computer that the From line specifies.  However, people do leave
their terminals logged in and unattended, ya know."

   "As best as I can tell, this message was forged.  However, the
   digital signature could have been corrupted.  Either way, this is an
untrustworthy article."

Now personally, I would *love* to have such a program.  News readers
could cache the results.  I would even personally hack "nn" to add a
":check" command to do it all for the user.

So Kevin, name a fast, free, unpatented, unbroken, exportable,
reversible, public-key cryptosystem.  I'm ready to go!
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
"Tax cuts don't do any good for someone who is out of work," Gov. Bruce
Sundlun, D-R.I., said in denouncing Bush's economic rescue plan as woefully
inadequate.  "They don't need a tax cut.  They need a job." Feb 3, 1992
Xref: sparky news.admin:3516 news.groups:9941
From: sean@sdg.dra.com
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Automatic disclaimers on outbound postings from a corporation
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:40:54 CDT
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO

In article <rdippold.703463323@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> Nobody files complaints against the delivery system (UseNet itself)
> for offensive postings.  What if you wrote that letter on company
> letterhead and sent it in a company envelope?

I often stay in hotels that have stationary supplies in the rooms for
the use of their guests.  The paper and envelopes usually have the hotel's
letterhead on them.  Nevertheless, people don't confuse my ravings with
the corporate policy of the hotel I'm staying at, even if I do use stationary
with their name printed on it.

Nor does the hotel seem very concerned that some one will either (they don't
print disclaimers at the bottom of each sheet of paper).

-- 
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: Possible suspect for forged sendsys messages
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:17:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr03.020258.10633@gozer.mv.com> klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride) writes:
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:


>Another poster at PSU who uses the pseudonym "Steely Dan" (a rather
>appropriate name considering his demeanor :-), may also be Ken
>Robinson.  After informing him in alt.flame that I was killfiling him,
>he letter bombed me.  His writing style and content is very similar to
>Ken's.

>> Anyone at PSU care to comment?

>I complained to the admins at PSU about "Steely Dan"'s behavior.  They
>very tersely said that they'd look into it.  Never heard anything
>more.

>Once again, the poster children at PSU live up to their bad rep.

I'm unfamiliar with the rep, but if one of my nodes was repeatedly causing
problems, I'd cut them off.  I don't need or want the associated hassle.

Basically, if a sysadmin can't control his system, then I don't want him
connected to mine.  Did anyone contact PSU's feeds?


>Kevin L. McBride        | "It's the quintessential "shell script from hell."


-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: UUNET speaks concerning usa.*
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:46:50 GMT

In article <GRITTON.92Apr6101923@altar.caedm.byu.edu> gritton@byu.edu writes:
>   In fact, David tells me he isn't happy with the way usa.* has been
>"created." To quote him: "_Please_ work within that framework toward
>getting the hierarchy going."

I'm not sure I follow this... what is the existing framework?  How, for
example, were the "alt" and "gnu" hierarchies created?  I just created
a local hierarchy for the 5-college area here in western Mass.  What
existing framework should I have used for this?  As far as I know there
are no "USENET guidelines for hierarchy creation", and even if there
were, a new hierarchy is usually not USENET (i.e. Gnusnet, Altnet).

Face it: usa.* is a local hierarchy, even if it has the potential to
be the mother of all local hierarchies (;-).  
--
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: Any rational reason for sendsys?
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:58:18 GMT

david@Bogus.COM (David Grant) writes:
>scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller) writes:
>> I hadn't seen restricting the reply to 'sendsys@site', but that really makes
>Now THAT idea I like!!   I poll with UUCP, and a sendsys would be a 
>pratical death sentence, as it would run the phone bill through the 
>ceiling.  This would make it impossible for anyone to sendsys a user on 
>my system that was annoying to this immature bomber fool.

But a sendsys to a non-existent user on your system would double the UUCP
traffic for it.  Each sys file would pass through the link twice, once when
it sends the sys file to your site and once when your site bounces it back.

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid)     |
D'Arcy Cain Consulting             |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada           |   like no government!
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: Sendsys police
Reply-To: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Organization: Dept. of Biology, Columbia Univ., New York, NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:54:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.230922.918@mp.cs.niu.edu> rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.194830.19599@Princeton.EDU> vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) writes:
>>...
>>Set up a robot mailer on uunet.
>>
>>...
>
> Add one more problem:
>
[...]
>
>	Unfortunately backbones site B has been down for several days, due
>	to a hardware problem.  Its authentication message is still sitting
>	in the queue on uunet.  It sees the legitimate 'sendsys' and the
>	cancel daemon goes to work.  Before long the message has been
>	cancelled across most of USENET.
>
    How about...

       sys_police would need to be started by hand. If you are going to run
it on your site, you probably would need to pay some attention to it anyway.
If your system goes down, you wouldn't restart it until getting a new list
from the cops.
    It is important for the program not to run wild. Inattentive sysadmin's
shouldn't run it. If it needs to be restarted by hand, then sysadmin's who
loose interest will just fade away. The good part is that there wouldn't need
to be many sites running sys_police.

DanZ


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From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: I've forged a cancel of a sendsys
Date: 5 Apr 92 09:37:39 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


	Currently, the only persons "authorized" to do a 
sendsys/senduuname/version cancel are the 
sysops/newsmgrs of a message's origin, or the message sender 
himself/herself. How about a modification to allow any sysop/newsmgr to 
send a non-forged cancel, and allow the person to whom the stuff is being 
sent to do a non-forged cancel?
	On the hierarchy limit idea:
	There are occasional points to a global sendsys (see news.groups 
for a recent example), so I'd say simply send all such messages 
(global/no-dist to to the newsmanager at the site.
	-Allen
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: davehieb@magi.rootgroup.com (David Hieb)
Subject:  Automatic disclaimers on outbound postings from a corporation
Originator: davehieb@rootgroup.com
Reply-To: davehieb@magi.rootgroup.com (David Hieb)
Organization: The Root Group Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:25:26 GMT



i'm looking for the best way to automatically incorporate a corporate
disclaimer into all news articles that are posted from within an
organization. i've seen the following disclaimer from CONVEX and
really like the header concept.

====================================================================
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.
====================================================================

can anyone recommend a good procedure?

thanks, davehieb...
-- 

David R. Hieb, davehieb@magi.RootGroup.COM
Network Applications Consultant, The Root Group Inc.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: Sendsys police
Reply-To: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Organization: Dept. of Biology, Columbia Univ., New York, NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.021344.16878@yang.earlham.edu> allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
>
>	However, it makes USENET even more dependent upon UUNET than it is 
>already. UUNET is nice, but...
>> 
>	The idea is nice, but couldn't each individual "backbone" site do 
>it alone? And send out an authorization message to other sites so, when 
>they receive a sendsys from that address, it gets let through (whether 
>first or second)? UUNET isn't really absolutely required, although it 
>admittedly would be a very good one for a backbone site for this.
>	-Allen


     This more along the idea that I had in the first place. The idea was that
several (many?) sites with pretty good connections would do it on a 
voluntary basis. If UUNET or ZAPHOD wanted to do it, then the idea would be
that much better.

     I also thought that the sites woudl send mail to each other that would
provoke each site to issue a cancel individually. The cancel would
propagate much faster than the bomb, in this case.

DanZ

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narratives or ideas contained herein are not necessarily true, and do
not necessarily represent the views of any particular person.  

Newsgroups: news.admin
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Format of sendsys responses
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 14:30:13 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith):
> 1: Can't the sendsys/etc. messages already be detected by:
>     A. They're control-type messages

Sendsys _responses_ (which is what we're discussing) are nothing
special.  They're just E-Mail.

>     B. They've got a title of the appropriate kind

Most B and C News sites generate relatively easy-to-recognize subject
headers for sendsys responses.  But when I was recently sendsys
bombed, I had to set up an E-Mail filter to put the responses into a
separate mailbox.  The patterns I used were:

   1.  Subject contains "ponse" followed by "sendsys".
   2.  Subject is exactly "sendsys".
   3.  Subject contains "ontrol:" followed by "sendsys".
       (It seems that VMS sites generate this format.)
   4.  The message body contains a line beginning with "ME:".
       (This last one's the kicker.)

Without that last rule, I was getting lots and lots of subjectless
sendsys reply messages in my mailbox.

Moral: depending on the format of a sendsys response, especially its
mail header, is a mistake.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: Another thought for fixing sendsys
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 05:38:03 GMT

In article <29E0C435.76A8@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin):
>>Comments?
>
>This proposal is the neatest I've seen so far.

Agreed!   A nice simple arm-and-fire technique, with a delay that
allows for a disarm.

The arming message would have to be cancelled locally as soon as it was
used once, of course.

-mm-
-- 
Mark E. Mallett  MV Communications, Inc./ PO Box 4963/ Manchester NH/ 03108
Bus. Phone: 603 429 2223    Home: 603 424 8129     BIX: mmallett
Internet: mem@mv.MV.COM  ( uucp: ...{decvax|harvard}!mv!mem )
Looking for news and mail in southern NH / northern MA?  Try MV!
Xref: sparky news.admin:3482 news.groups:9742 alt.config:2830 comp.org.eff.talk:3387 alt.religion.kibology:1538
From: tony@mantis.co.uk (Tony Lezard)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups,alt.config,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT PROCLAMATION: THE FUTURE OF THE NET
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:56:44 GMT
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
 
> =o= Its not "it's" that's misspelled so losely (it's misspelling
> is "its"), its "its" who's spelling looses so much (it's
> misspelling is "it's").  Also, you should punish those whose
> usage of "whose" and "who's" loose.
>     <_Jym_>

Ha! Wrong! You used "it's" when you meant "its"!

--
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OR EVEN arl10@phx.cam.ac.uk if all else fails. Great! Kept my .sig down to two
lines!
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: inet groups/distribution
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:31:33 GMT

Could someone post a quick summary of how the inet groups came into
existence, why they are separate, what makes them "inet" groups (i.e.,
are you supposed to always use distribution "inet" when posting to
them?) and whether any of this is actually meaningful on the real
USENET where distributions are thoroughly broken.  Thanx...
--
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Academic Systems Consultant  |     Bitnet: JBotz@mhc.bitnet
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From: robert@peregrine.peregrine.com (Robert Young)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Need Sources for C-news
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:34:29 GMT
Reply-To: robert@peregrine.UUCP (Robert Young)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Peregrine Systems, Inc., Carlsbad, CA

Hello there!. Can anybody tell me how to obtain the sources for C-news.
We are currently running B-news and would like to upgrade to C-news.
Also, any gotchas, hints, suggestions, thinks to look out for?

Is there a preferred method of migrating from one type of news to another so as to
not interrupt the flow. 
I am planning on doing this conversion late at night on a Friday.

Thanks in advance for your help

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Young 
Peregrine Systems, Inc.
Voice: (619) 431-2400, Ext 167
FAX  : (619) 431-9367
Address: uunet!peregrine!robert
		 robert@peregrine.com
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Another thought for fixing sendsys
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 13:06:23 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton):
>I must repeat that sendsys is only of value in detecting leaks (accidental
>or otherwise) in privite or proprietary networks if the sendsys response
>is automatic and not under a delay where it can be stopped by the admin.

Everything can be stopped by the admin!  If all else fails, she can
_easily_ arrange to send a fake sys file in response to a sendsys.

Usenet software does not exist for the purpose of supporting
ClariNet's redistribution policy.  Using Usenet transport software for
ClariNet is fine with me, but we will not let the tail wag the dog.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
From: gritton@altar.caedm.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: usa.* and sys files
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:09:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: altar.GRITTON.92Apr6100945
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA

Out of some unknown large number of sys files, 1000 or so had "usa" as
a hiearchy.

Of these, I considered about 100 to be "problem" cases, and sent mail
to these sites. The break down of those is:

22 Mailing list gateway
46 Map update from comp.mail.maps
37 Other

Hopefully, these people will update their sys files soon. I plan on sending
a test message to usa.config (carried around by news.admin) and seeing where
it goes. I figure I'll send this message Friday.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.config
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - System Admin)
Subject: history file size
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-636-2026) - 24hrs.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:30:57 GMT

Hi Folks...

	Not sure if I posted to the right groups, but I try.

	Is there a way to increase the allowable size of my
history file?  It seems to tell me it is too full at 4115blocks
on my machine, and then stop processing news.

Thanks...

Marc
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: I've forged a cancel of a sendsys
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:51:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.043739.16749@yang.earlham.edu> allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
>
>	Currently, the only persons "authorized" to do a 
>sendsys/senduuname/version cancel are the 
>sysops/newsmgrs of a message's origin, or the message sender 
>himself/herself. How about a modification to allow any sysop/newsmgr to 
>send a non-forged cancel, and allow the person to whom the stuff is being 
>sent to do a non-forged cancel?

 Although the person at whom a malicious sendsys is aimed has every reason to
attempt a cancel, in practice this may be difficult to do.  The forger has
almost surely placed the receiving site on the "Path:", and that means the
site does not have a copy of the sendsys, so does not have the information
needed to cancel.

 There probably need to be a change to 'sendsys' so that the reply always
contains the "Message-ID:" of the control message to which it is responding.

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  DeKalb, IL 60115                                   +1-815-753-6940
Xref: sparky news.admin:3491 news.groups:9805
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups
Subject: Re: More sendsys and my new scripts
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:48:58 GMT
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting

allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
>from: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
>>From: gritton@alaska.caedm.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
>>>This is for real.
>>>I want to see just who's sending the usa.config posts to mailing lists.
>>>I set up a program to handle this; I know what I'm doing.
>> Perhaps if you have a legitimate need of a net wide sendsys you should
>> post to news.admin announcing that you will be posting one in a day
>> or two.  This gives others a chance to post objections if it is either
>> inappropriate or a forgery.  Then sysadmins can deal with it in whatever
>> manner they have elected to on their own system.  Comments?
>
>	The control message in question is in order to trace who has 
>mailing list gates set with the distribution usa admitted. Before a usa.* 
>hierarchy could be properly done, this would need to be deleted. He did 
>post about it- on news.groups, where the discussion is being done. Before 
>concluding that such a message is a forgery/foolish/whatever, try mailing 
>the person (you didn't mention doing so, so I'm (perhaps incorrectly) 
>assuming that you haven't).

I wasn't particularly questioning this specific sendsys, I was suggesting
a general procedure.  Mailing him would be silly, I might as well just
blindly send my sys file.  Anyway, something like this should be at least
cross posted to news.admin.  It doesn't have anything to do with newsgroup
creation.

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D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid)     |
D'Arcy Cain Consulting             |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada           |   like no government!
+1 416 424 2871          DoD#0082  |
From: 3003jalp@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Applied Magnetics)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Uucp throughput to psinet
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:25:18 GMT
Reply-To: pa@appmag.com
Distribution: na

I get a small newsfeed at work from psinet.  I use a V.32 modem
to call their Point of Presence in LA.  The round-trip delay
is too large for the uucp g-protocol and throughput is miserable.

I want to fix this.  As step zero, I'd like to compare notes with
other psinet customers.  If you have low throughput, send me mail
at pa@appmag.com.  If you managed to fix the problem, why, send me
even more mail!

--Pierre Asselin, R&D, Applied Magnetics Corp.

PS: I'll be away during the week of April 13.  Don't be offended if I
    don't reply immediately.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.newusers.questions