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From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Organization: -
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 18:33:43 GMT

Note: The header lines have been edited.

tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav) writes:
   > Are posts like these, within the charter of this newsgroup. 
   > Someone, speak up. 
   >
   >T.Y.
   >----

Hi Tapesh,

  I am not sure which newsgroup you are talking about as it was 
cross-posted to the following newsgroups:

soc.culture.romanian
soc.culture.cis
alt.culture.us.asian-indian
soc.culture.czecho-slovak
soc.culture.indian

 IMHO, that posting was not appropriate to this newsgroup, though
the subject may be relevent. (Islam being one of the religions of
us, indian-expatriates/indian americans.) 

 I am not sure about the intentions of the original poster from
his/her choice of newsgroups to post either. All were *.culture.*
groups and none were from *.religion.* hierarchy. It also looks 
like he/she posted on newsgroups were muslims were a minority,
apparently. (Can anybody tell me Who/What/Where "cis" is?)

 This is Usenet anarchy. Anybody can post anything they want,
even Manish. :-).  My rule is if a message is cross-posted to more
than three newsgroups, it is probably junk.

Regards,
Raghavan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Imported humor from s.c.i.
Organization: -
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:35:34 GMT

Humor, lifted from soc.culture.indian (without permission)

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From: nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar)
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10] Because it's there... 
 9] Finding out 1001 ways of sending Wrigley's spearmint gum to India
 8] Knowing that all's well with the world when I see a posting
    for a desi concert in Ashtabula, Ohio.
 7] A wild hope that one of the "Looking for .." postings might be 
    for me..... 
 6] Fantasizing that the sauerkraut that I'm consuming is actually
    a product of one of Sthan's recipes.
 5] Informing novices about the existence of misc.test, and asbestos
    keyboards ;-)
 4] Because it's free and it's in color ........
 3] To see if I've won the local Top10-Prolific-SCI-Posters pool...
    A regular affair hereabouts !
 2] To see this Top10 list on SCI.

 1] Can't wait for Icarus' next saga: "The trebuchets of Trivandrum"

Peace, brethren and cistern :-)
**sridhar**
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From: mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: how old must i be to call myself an adult? (was Re: Friendships)
Date: 5 Sep 1992 23:56:28 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep4.212814.10706@menudo.uh.edu> mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>i think age is a relative thing and may or may not develop with time.

I have to disagree.  Age always develops with time.  :-)

Manish

'You can be young once, but immature forever.'
(the Soon-Yi factor)
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From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: how old must i be to call myself an adult? (was Re: Friendships)
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:18:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.212814.10706@menudo.uh.edu> mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>this "adult decision is final" is too extreme.  
>communication.  as long as communication exists, i think these
>problems will eventually work out.  the problem lies not in the
>ages of parents and/or children, but in the level of communication
>between them.  just as a child grows, so must a parent to meet his/her
>needs.

The word communication here is very vague and escapist. That is,
what you don't know, you assume can be learnt if taught properly or
explained properly. I think a lot of teens are `rock deaf' (ala the
temporary deafness you experience in a rock concert). It is further
complicated by self-aggrandizement (My parents don't know better) or
self-criticism (I'm plain dud). 

A noted psyschologist confirmed that adults, whether parents or not,
act like children or teens. So nothing surprises me when one feels
parents also should grow up. They won't. Period. 

In a confrontation between a nineteen year old and his "Ph.D."  Indian
parents, they haggled until midnight about a party the teen wanted to
stay beyond midnight. I guess his fatigue took the better of him.  And
the parents were better suitable to handle the nocturnal tryst,
perhaps the Ph.D. training--burning the candle at both ends until
sun-rise--helped here.

A teenagers best bet is to sneak out and take chances. But, they don't
always have a quarter to call their family for help. I handed quite a
few of them myself in Rolling Meadows ;-) 


Murthy



Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.asian.american
From: shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: parents and their IA kids
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:08:26 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Naseer Khan <khan@us17501.mdc.com> writes:


>You're right.  Memory is a funny thing, and quite selective.  If parents 
>use this as a major source of guidance, rather than rely on the here and 
               ^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>now, I wouldn't wonder if people have trouble.

Parents do not want to use this as major source of guidance. But as a normal
reaction to a situation, one first looks in one's past. Many a times younger
children even understand this attempt and do point out that things are
different. It is in case of 'teen-age' children who tend to be quite emotional
- and probably fed up in pointing out - the things start flaming up. 

I have to consiously attempt to remember  that the 'face I am communicating to'
belongs to an emerging adult now and not to the child I raised. I have started
calling this process as 'unparenting' and many of my honest friends admit that
for all good parents, 'unparenting' is quite hard to practice. (System 
programming/administration seems a piece of cake in comparison :-) ).

--
--With best regards from Shashi
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: kencham@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Deepak)
Subject: Re: New E-Mail Address/Last Posting (Anju at AMS, Inc.)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:44:47 GMT

In article <2525@cronos.metaphor.com>, sanzgiri@bombay.metaphor.com (Ajit Sanzgiri) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep10.055634.26883@access.digex.com> gulati@access.digex.com writes:
|> >Dear Friends,
|> >
|> >   Please note that due to popular demand, Anju at ASIAN MATRIMONIAL
|> >   SERVICES, INC. has received many calls recommending that she obtain
|> 
|> 	Is it only me or are there others out there just as annoyed at this
|> 	blatantly commercial use of USENET thinly disguised as public
|> 	service ?
|> 

No way !!! 

Totally pissed,

\deepak
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From: mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU (purna)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: how old must i be to call myself an adult? (was Re: Friendships)
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:28:14 GMT
Reply-To: mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <188j1bINN7og@agate.berkeley.edu>, mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.200823.3594@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

[...stuff deleted...]

>>What I mean is that when a youngster under 18 is seeing some people
>>who the parents think are not good influence for him/her, then that youngster
>>should stop seeing these people. (Parents decision is Final).
>
>This is far too artificial a standard, this magic age of eighteen.
>
>If 'Parents decision is Final,' then maturity is not gained.  Suspension
>of free will and learning through experience stunts mental growth.

[...lots of good stuff deleted...]

i agree with manish.  i think this age of '18' is way too overrated.
for example, the age of '18' is legal for voting, serving in the army,
or serving as a (full-time) govt. employee.  however, the age of '21'
must be attained for the consumption of alcohol as well as marriage
without parental consent, in some states.  in addition, some states
allow the driving of a motor vehicle at the age of 16.  what about
the motion picture industry.  it's 'NC-17' rating is no one UNDER 17
(but you can BE 17 and get in).

enough about the govt. regulations, how about practical?  i know
several people who are MUCH older than 18 who cannot make a logical,
mature, and knowledgeable decision to save their life!  on the other
hand, i also know some VERY mature 15 and 16 year olds (allright!
get your minds out of the gutter!  sheesh! :))

i think age is a relative thing and may or may not develop with time.
however, i do feel that parents contribute a LOT to how mature (or
immature) the child will be.  for example, in a multi-children
family, the oldest one will tend to be the most mature and the youngest
the least mature (yes, these are subjective opinions and i am only
giving my observations).  this, i feel, is due to several factors
which include the age of the parents, how much are the children,
responsibility (i.e. chores) given to the children, etc.

this "adult decision is final" is too extreme.  granted, adults
have lived longer and may have "seen more of the world", but that
doesn't make them perfect!  in any family unit, there should be
communication.  as long as communication exists, i think these
problems will eventually work out.  the problem lies not in the
ages of parents and/or children, but in the level of communication
between them.  just as a child grows, so must a parent to meet his/her
needs.

peace,
-purna
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: Friendships
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:21:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.204019.20946@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>Sorry I have to be sarcastic and extreme in trying to give the message.


Nope, not at all. The message is very clear: if you are paranoid, then
don't have kids!

Contrary to portents of ``drug dealings'' and ``porn queens'' (sounds to me
like Puri Sankaracharya's moralistic ramblings), many children 
turn out good, even if they are smoking, drinking and spending
their parents money on fast cars, expensive friends, clothes and life
style. You can tell a kid a hundred times that smoking is bad, but
you can't ensure that the kid never smokes. Even if the kid smoked,
you might never know. Once a parent boasted that his 23 yr. old
daughter growing up in a different city than his is a virgin and
his son never drank alcohol. Schrodinger's cat had a better luck of
being alive than dead in that mysterious meta-physical box.

But the bottom line is: if the parents lost faith in their kids,
whether they turned good or bad, it is a set back for the kid.
So anything but abandonment will work miracles for a failing kid.
May be this is the reason many (paranoid) parents yell at their
kids: ``Get out of my place.'' Similarly, a meek parent will
be yelled at by the kid as: ``Enough is enough. I am leaving home.''

I think they both are kidding only themselves.


Murthy
From: ambati@acsu.buffalo.edu (Balamural K. Ambati)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Youth Forum Sep 19 (AIA) in New York
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:17:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB


On September 19, 1992, the Association of Indians in American (AIA) will be
celebrating their 25th anniversary at the Marriot Marquis Hotel in Manhattan.
In the afternoon there will be a panel discussion on education and career
choices as pertains to Indian youth in America.  If you are interested in
participating (panelist or audience) please contact me.  Your suggestions
of knowledgeable people in various fields as panelists are also invited.
Thanks.

Balamurali K. Ambati
Jayakrishna Ambati
ambati@ubunix.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mece1xg@Jane.UH.EDU (purna)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: how old must i be to call myself an adult? (was Re: Friendships)
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:47:44 GMT
Reply-To: mece1xg@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <18bhfcINNjlg@agate.berkeley.edu>, mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.212814.10706@menudo.uh.edu> mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>
>>i think age is a relative thing and may or may not develop with time.
>
>I have to disagree.  Age always develops with time.  :-)
>
>Manish

hmmm.....maybe i should qualify that.  MENTAL age is a relative
thing.  physical age, however, always develops with time (and
not always to our liking!). 

peace,
-purna
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: parents and their IA kids
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:46:24 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Distribution: alt
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <shashi.716129387@aix3090b.uky.edu>, shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu
(Shashi Sathaye) writes:

|>It is quite amusing to note the following :
|>
|>Most of the issues that arise between parents and kids are basically
independant
|>of IAness of the children. The solution that parent finds is a result
of his/her
|>cultural orientation. It is quite natural that a parent seeks answers
in his/herown childhood and most of the memories are quite foggy. I have
seen this among
|>my 'american born' friends - who are close enough to discuss such
things with me- that parent/children clashes exist over quite similar issues.	
|>
|>So what is special about IA children's case? - that the extended
family is not
|>here. The parent who wants desperately to access his/her childhood for
answers
|>comes up with rather one-sided views. They remember that they 'obeyed' their

I think that they're are significant differences between IAs growing up
with immigrant parents, and how my kids will be raised. I don't think
that it only stems from the selective memory (a la Ronnie Rayguns).
My folks learned a lot about america from their children. They were
not like a lot friends' parents who already knew the ropes on many
basic things, like local community involvement, little leagues, schools,
etc, etc. This learning experience can provide a strong bond and dependency
both ways, or it can be a destructive force, IMO. 

I see this in a former colleague's relationship with her 7 year old 
daughter. Learning is going on both ways in a healthy manner. BTW, she's
from China.

Anyway, my 2 cents worth. 

Ron
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye)
Subject: parents and their IA kids
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:49:47 GMT
Distribution: alt

It is quite amusing to note the following :

Most of the issues that arise between parents and kids are basically independant
of IAness of the children. The solution that parent finds is a result of his/her
cultural orientation. It is quite natural that a parent seeks answers in his/herown childhood and most of the memories are quite foggy. I have seen this among
my 'american born' friends - who are close enough to discuss such things with me- that parent/children clashes exist over quite similar issues.	

So what is special about IA children's case? - that the extended family is not
here. The parent who wants desperately to access his/her childhood for answers
comes up with rather one-sided views. They remember that they 'obeyed' their
elders but forget what kind of fight they did put on most trivial matters such
as what should one wear and when. In case of girls, how long they should stay
out after dark and so on. I remember a friend of mine telling his son what
he did when he was his son's age to which the son responded 'oh, but grandpa
says you were just as stubborn.' This is possible because grandpa is just in the
next state and sees the grandkids at least once a year and 'CAN COMMUNICATE'
with them. This is just an example. 

Most of the immigrant friends - non-indians - seem to have the same problem 
too. A possible solution to me seems that IA children should develop a close
friendship with some children of their own age in India - something like pen
friends. This will bring some matters to cool a little. Ah, but of course,
being a parent I forget how hard it is when you are a teen-ager to find time 
to WRITE. I was there myself once. Oh well...
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Login name: shashi | System Programmer By Profession | In real life:
                   | but heart(&SWEET-HEART) in Math.| Shashi Sathaye
shashi@ms.uky.edu	sysshash@ukcc.uky.edu  shashi@aix3090.uky.edu
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From: sanzgiri@bombay.metaphor.com (Ajit Sanzgiri)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,alt.culture.karnataka,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: New E-Mail Address/Last Posting (Anju at AMS, Inc.)
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:11:07 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Sep10.055634.26883@access.digex.com> gulati@access.digex.com writes:
>Dear Friends,
>
>   Please note that due to popular demand, Anju at ASIAN MATRIMONIAL
>   SERVICES, INC. has received many calls recommending that she obtain

	Is it only me or are there others out there just as annoyed at this
	blatantly commercial use of USENET thinly disguised as public
	service ?

	It is interesting (though hardly surprising) that the single-named
	Ms. Anju has suddenly been revealed to possess the same last name as
	the poster and that the latter after proclaiming that he had no
	financial interest in this venture has suddenly been promoted to the
	Vice President's position.

	If I don't see an outpouring of public support for this "service" I
	am thinking of lodging a complaint.

	Ajit Sanzgiri
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Sanskrit and the Unity of India
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:50:35 GMT

In article <BuA34C.MzJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> C999S2W4@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>
>   Research has proved that Sanskrit is the best language for use in
>Computers. This will give a great boost to the Indian Contribution in the
>field of Computer Programming.

Can you give the source of this information? I don't believe it can be true.
Sanskrit, I'm told, is rather complex language with many peculiarities,
the last thing you'd want in a Computer Language. Venmani Namboothiri was
known for writing "slokam"s with more than one meaning which implies that
the language is ambiguous. (He wrote in either Sanskrit or Manipravalam, a
language very similar to Sanskrit) I think he used the idea of breaking
up compount words differently to get different meanings.

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: ghg9827@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (G. Harikumar )
Subject: Re: ***Question***
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:26:03 GMT

jsraghav@unity.ncsu.edu (Jay S. Raghavan) writes:

>The infamous name which Mal. movies earned was I guess during the era of
>movies like 'Avalude Ravugal', 'Rati Nirvedam' etc.  These movies were also
>I feel important.  They all had a message to convey.  Exploitation of women,
>urges in young men .. etc.  The typical Northie guy wanted to cash on
>the fancy names and made new name and new movies which were labelled -
>movies from Kerala.  Once IT carried an article about how the so called cheap
>movies were made.  The movie is fine excepting for some bedroom scenes
>(nowhere close to western standards) massaged into the movies.  The crowd goes
>to watch this - not in Kerala but some place in U.P. Bihar or other places in
>north.


Not true. It is the malayali film-maker who tried these stunts. 
And malayalam movies had a bad name in other states LONG before
avalude ravugal. I remember an incident that occurred when I was
a kid; an aunt of mine who stays in Bombay was almost apoplectic 
with rage as she recounted being teased by her neighbours about
the malayalam movies shown there. 


>Malayalees are the most sensible of the lot and don't waste time on something
>foolish - this is the impression I gathered being a Malayalee who has stayed
>away from Kerala.  

Thats not true either; the porn versions of movies are
shown across the length and breadth of Kerala, usually in cheap
theatres hidden away in inner cities, and usually after the
second show is over. These movies are advertised quite openly
and I remember being ashamed to see obscene posters plastered all over
the walls right opposite the Guruvayoor temple when I visited 
a few years ago. These posters have thankfully disappeared now.

Harikumar.



Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: indran@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Sanskrit and the Unity of India
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:14:37 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <BuFL80.D92@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
> In article <BuA34C.MzJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> C999S2W4@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>>   Research has proved that Sanskrit is the best language for use in
>>Computers. This will give a great boost to the Indian Contribution in the
>>field of Computer Programming.
> 
> Could some one care to elaborate? I know that Sanskrit by Hindus, and Latin by
> Catholics were considered the 'best language' to pray, as they claimed
> God understands only these languages.
> KS.

I do remember reading a news report, in Hindu, Indian Express or 
Science Today, may be about 4-5 years ago. The article was about 
some conference held in india. Samskretm was mentioned as the best 
language for voice communication between human and computer but not as 
a programming language. The reason is somewhat obvious. The most commenly 
used one, English has a very poor and ambigous grammer structure compared to
many other Indo-European languages. It is better to know in advance, how 
computer controlled security system will treat a voice command like "Kill him 
not let him go".

..ravi