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Subject: RE: Harp mailing list?
From: Cheryl <CSP07321@UKANVM.BITNET>
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:13:47 -0600 (CST)
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The harp mailing list is:  harp@athena.mit.edu
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From: ridgway@athena.mit.edu (Lee Ridgway)
Subject: Re: Recordings of Bach's harpsichord concertos
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:54:21 GMT

The Leonhardt recordings of the concertos are available on CD, from two sources
in the USA. Commercial stores will have them on the TELDEC label, but you can
also get the same recordings from Musical Heritage Society, by mail order.

These were recorded in the mid-to-late 60s, and I must say they still stand up as
the best versions for me. The playing, harpsichords and strings, has rhythmic
vitality and a wonderful sense of phrasing and bringing out the melodies,
especially the interplay between the instruments on the multiple keyboard
concertos. Listening to these, you just know those players were having a blast.
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From: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Subject: cornetts & mouthpieces
Reply-To: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:26:38 EST

TO: E7M7GRI@TOWSONVX.BITNET

I build cornetts & mouthpieces; the cornett is straight but carved in
lengthwise halves like a curvo, no leather, A440 - $350 with one
mouthpiece, + shipping.  I've used them in gigs, and they've been heard
with pleasure by some important early music folks.

Elliott Chapin
---
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From: icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking)
Subject: Re: FTP sites for sheet music?
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:06:36 GMT

In <9212130246.AA22751@ns.umb.edu> Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU> writes:

>Toyn Eyers asks
>>Does anyone know of any ftp sites containing sheet music (preferably Baroque)?
> 
>I don't know of any -- didn't even ask archie either -- as I doubt there is
>anything to find.  What would we find?  Gifs resulting from scanning in
>published/hand-written sheet music? Stuff in musictex format?  In one of the
>other formats music publishing software can handle?  In dvi or postscript
>form ready to print?  I don't know if there is a standard way of representing
>music, so I have my doubts that there is much to find.
> 
>I'd love to hear of anything if it exists.

To know some figures:

I have  e.g. four pages of music for violine and horn; one title page and
three pages with music (page means DIN A4, similar to letter).

MusicTeX-input    28k   as ZIP-File  9k
DVI-File          56k   compressed  22k
converted to PS  101k   compressed  48k  (self-contained PS-file)

One page of music as PCX-File 214k   as GIF-file  110k

Nice figures? -- Werner
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Subject: RE: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
From: wheelerc <32WHEELER@CUA.BITNET>
Date: 14 Dec 1992 09:27:43 -0500
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I still like Sinead's voice (such clear purity), I admire her guts (although
I think she doesn't always pick the best battle field), and I hope she stays
arround for some time to come.
 
If the picture had been a witch, or a Iranian religious figure, she would
have been cheered.  Some religions are more equal than others.
 
Carol
WHEELERC@CUA.EDU
From: alves@calvin.usc.edu (William Alves)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: Copyright (Was: standard representation of music)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 11:32:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec17.092843.10613W@lumina.edb.tih.no> ketil@edb.tih.no writes:
>In article <de19-161292195121@mac19-pg2.umd.edu>, de19@umail.umd.edu (Dana S Emery) writes:
>
>>[...] The music itself is old enough to be out of
>>copyright, but the printed score as published by, say, Dover, is definatly
>>under copyright protection. 

>Do you have any idea of what that copyright covers? That is, can they
>copyright the "logical" contents - the parts, dynamic variations etc. -
>or only the typographical layout of this?

Copyright may cover any "intellectual content," hence, not just the music
itself but also the edition, the score layout, translations, etc. Many
of the Dover editions, and also Kalmus and similar lines, are simply
reprints of works were not only the music but also the edition and typo-
graphy was in the public domain. An example of this is the old Bach
Gesellschaft edition. It can be printed or xeroxed or whatever. Moreover,
unless Dover has added something to the page (translation for example),
they cannot re-copyright it.

If a musicologist has travelled to some obscure library and done all of
the work of transcribing and editing an old work, then that transcrip-
tion is definitely covered by copyright, though not the music per se.
If you were to take that edition and re-typeset it, re-edit it, and so
on, would it still be a copyright violation? I don't know for sure. 
Probably the original editor would be able to tell if you had travelled
to that library and transcribed the piece or just relied on his or her
transcription. Probably the best thing would be to do your own trans-
cription from facsimiles, if they exist.

Bill Alves
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Subject: Copyright
From: "H.Lincoln" <BG0056@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:15:13 ECT
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 Mr. Ketil Anderson writes  "score as published by Dover is definitely
under copyright protection."   Maybe yes, probably no.  If it is a photo-
copy of say an old Breitkopf and Hartel score it can be sold in USA with
no problem, but not in Canada, which subscribes to the Berne Convention, and
thus permission from B&H would be needed.  Once a piece is in public domain
you can make your own copy and sell as you wish.   At least this was my
understanding when getting permissions for a book.   H.B.Lincoln, Binghamton
University (SUNY). BG0056@BingVMB.
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From: bchivers@soldier.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Subject: Re: sheet music storage
Summary: medieval midi
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:17:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.195952.9558@news.Hawaii.Edu> mike@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mike W. Burger) writes:
 >
 > 	There are several sites for archival of MIDI files of
 > various music, though I do not know of anyone else who is
 > actively programing 15th century music on various synthesizers.
 >
 > mike@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu

I am, for one -- right into the Baroque.  (Not enough
hours in the day!)  Anyone want to start a list?
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org	

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From: cap+@cs.cmu.edu (Chris Paris)
Subject: Re: Recordings of Bach's harpsichord concertos
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:31:53 GMT

I find the recent release of the whole series by Ton Koopman to be the
most interesting of the available recordings. I also have the Pinnock.
It's nice, but not as interesting and exciting as Koopman's recordings.

Chris
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From: mike@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mike W. Burger)
Subject: sheet music storage
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:59:52 GMT


	There is a somewhat standard representation for sheet
music.  There are several standard MIDI file formats that can
be loaded into various scoring packages and multi-purpose
MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) packages.
	Thus even though sequencing and playback are the main
purposes of MIDI, it does provide a method of storing musical
information that can be read into and out of a wide variety of
score printing software.
	There are several sites for archival of MIDI files
of various music, though I do not know of anyone else who is
actively programing 15th century music on various synthesizers.
You can guess what the majority of archived MIDI files might
contain :-)

mike@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
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Subject: Shakespearean Music
From: E7M7GRI@TOWSONVX.BITNET
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:40:33 -0500
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I am looking for recordings of English music written during the time of
Shakespeare.  I would be grateful for any suggestions and/or commentary.
Gene
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From: (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Re: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: Ordinatio
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:31:47 GMT


Poor confused skinhead...





=====================================================================
 
Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
 
Consultant                     
 
Compuserve:  72576.1754@compuserve.com


                              
All promulgations are my own.  No corporate entity has authorization
to represent me.
 
Imprimatur.						Nihil obstat.
 
=====================================================================

In article 23860@iitmax.iit.edu, boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) writes:
>
>*****  SIMPLE SURVEY -- PLEASE READ *****
>
>I have seen much talk about Sinead on the net lately, 
>and was wondering what the general opinion of Sinead
>was.  Please take the 20 seconds it takes to reply to
>this question and answer it.  (A simple Y or N will do).
>Please use your newsreader's reply option or regular
>email to submit votes -- do not post your answer.
>
>Question:
>Do you still support (or have a general good opinon of)
>Sinead O'Connor?
>
>If you wish to send detailed replies as to why or why not,
>please do, but they are not required.  Thanks in advance!
>
>Jason Boardman
>boarjas@elof.iit.edu



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From: tlukka@lk-hp-8.hut.fi (Tuomas J. Lukka)
Subject: Recordings of Bach's harpsichord concertos
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:30:00 GMT

	Hi!

  I'm looking for good recordings (CDs) of Bach's double harpsichord
concertos. I have found nearly PERFECT recordings of the single,
triple and quadruple concertos, but am missing the double ones. Please
email or post here, if you have seen any.

  The good recordings of the 1,3,4 are:
1: Odyssey
   Bach
   The harpsichord concertos
   The London strings
   Neville Marriner
   Igor Kipnis (soloist)
   Colin Tilney (continuo)

 Perfect: all the EIGHT (7 + a completed fragment) concertos, with
 a harpsichord AND continuo.

3,4: Editions de L'oiseau-Lyre
     J.S.Bach
     Concertos for 3&4 harpsichords
     Hogwood,Moroney,Rousset,Tilney.
 (also features a reproduction of the C major 3-harpsichord concerto for
  3 violins (by Hogwood) And Vivaldi's concerto for 4 violins (from which
  Bach's concerto for 4 harpsichords is an arrangement of).

	TJL
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From: Giuseppe Cattaneo <OBOE@IBGUNIV.BITNET>
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:03:44 -0500
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My opinion of her is unchanged
 
Giuseppe CATTANEO
Universita' di Bergamo
ITALY
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> 
> In the same series as the Hogwood et al recording above, is one of double
> concertos - it has BWV 1060,62, plus alternates (a violin and oboe version
> of BWV 1060 and the two violin version of BWV 1062 = BWV 1043, in its own
> right one of JSB's supreme achievements).  

The 2-harpsichord concerto which survives, is thought to have been a
transcription by Bach of his earlier concerto for oboe and violin, now
lost.  This alternate version is a reconstruction of what the original
might have been. 

Tom
From: MVBURKE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
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Subject: RE: Shakespearean Music
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:45:55 GMT
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Gene--There's a recording by the Folger Consort of Shakespearean music mixed
with a bunch of other stuff (Machaut, for example) that you might check
out--the name is _A Distant Mirror_ if I mistake not.
 
MVB
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From: hcresnic@kimbark.uchicago.edu (hugh carney resnick)
Subject: Re: Copyright (Was: standard representation of music)
Reply-To: hcresnic@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:37:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.092843.10613W@lumina.edb.tih.no> ketil@edb.tih.no writes:
>In article <de19-161292195121@mac19-pg2.umd.edu>, de19@umail.umd.edu (Dana S Emery) writes:
>
>>[...] The music itself is old enough to be out of
>>copyright, but the printed score as published by, say, Dover, is definatly
>>under copyright protection. 
>
>Do you have any idea of what that copyright covers? That is, can they
>copyright the "logical" contents - the parts, dynamic variations etc. -
>or only the typographical layout of this?
> 
>If I buy a single printed copy of a published score and manually type 
>it into my music editor, then print it out on my printer - may I 
>distribute this printout freely? It will have a different layout, 
>different line lengths and weights, different text fonts for the 
>lyrics, maybe some interpretation hints are added and others removed, 
>but it will all be *based* on the copyrighted score.
>
>(Why I would care to do the work of entering it? (1) To print it in
>mammoth size, high quality, (2) to remove those parts that are just
>disturbing and space consuming when you need a mammoth size, (3) to
>have parts of it played automatically on my keyboard, for learning
>the music by ear or as a surrogate orchestra)

------
No, you may not distribute that copied copy, because it is based on an in-
print copyrighted score, the publisher would lose money from the lost sales. 
If you would want to do that with an out-of-print score, you would still 
have to contact the publisher to see if the copyright has been transferred.
However, if you could make a case that you got your copy from an original
manuscript, then you might have a leg to stand on. Otherwise you risk, in the
immortal words of Judas Priest, "Breaking the law, breaking the law."

hugh
-- 
_________________________________________________________________________
	  Hugh C. Resnick (hcresnic@midway.uchicago.edu)
"What if I were Romeo in black jeans? What if I were Heathcliff, it's no
myth. Maybe she's just looking for someone to dance with." - Michael Penn
From: rosin@ugcs.caltech.edu (Chris Rosin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Harp mailing list?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 05:24:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: harry.ugcs.caltech.edu

Does anyone know if the harp mailing list still exists, and if so, what
the address to subscribe to it is?

Many thanks,
  Chris Rosin
  rosin@ugcs.caltech.edu
  crosin@cs.ucsd.edu
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Subject: Gregorian Chant for Computers
From: Gordon Nixon <gnixon@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:02:03 -0500
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This is perhaps slightly removed from the topic of Early Music per se,
but I hope it does draw on the expertise or knowledge of some of the
readers of this forum.  So, without further delay:
 
Does anyone know of a MSDOS program which will allow me to compose and
print music on a PC-compatible with laser printer in the standard
Gregorian square-note notation?  If you know of such a program and
have any comments you wish to share, please forward them to me either
in this forum or directly by e-mail.
 
Gordon Nixon
Department of Classical Studies
University of Toronto
gnixon@epas.utoronto.ca
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Subject: RE: Recordings of Bach's harpsichord concertos
From: JAMES QUINN <QUINN@GONZAGA.BITNET>
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:01:00 -0700 (PDT)
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I have a really nice recording by Raymond Leppard, English Chamber Orchestra,
of BWV 1052, 1056, 1060, 1064 & 1065.  I would recommend it.  Soloists are
Leppard, Andrew Davis, Philip Ledger, and Blandine Verlet.  Recorded in
London in 1973-74.  Philips "Baroque Classics", 422 497-2.  One of my
favorite CD's.
 
James Quinn
Quinn@Gonzaga.edu
 
P.S.  The only one for two harpsichords on this is BWV 1060, c min.
From: efosbroo@axion.bt.co.uk (Elisabeth Fosbrooke)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Epiphany party
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:22:30 GMT
Reply-To: efosbroo@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs
Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK


-- For anyone in reach of the east of England on January 9th --


		EASTERN  EARLY  MUSIC  FORUM

			Epiphany Party

	  Saturday 9 January 1993, 10.30 - 5.30


	at Leman House, Beccles, Suffolk, UK

Bring your favourite instrument, your voice, and your appetite 
(for the traditional spread of seasonal food at lunchtime)

Music will include Dialoghi by Stiggio, Lassus, and Vecchi, as 
well as the extended Christmas piece by Cererols.

Cost: 12.50 pounds for members of EEMF, 15 pounds for non-members

Apply by the end of December to:

	Stephen Cassidy
	79 Humber Doucy Lane
	IPSWICH
	Suffolk
	IP4 3NU

tel: 0473 718811
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Subject: Brown Renaissance Singers Concert -- Providence, Dec. 16
From: Kim Plofker <ST402808@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:25:24 -0500 (EST)
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   ***    BROWN RENAISSANCE SINGERS CONCERT -- WED., 16 DECEMBER 1992    ***
 
                         Tu Scendi Dalle Stelle
 
                  a concert of early music performed by
 
                       The Brown Renaissance Singers
 
 
                             St. Joseph's Church
                                92 Hope Street
                          Providence, Rhode Island
 
                         Wednesday, 16 December 1992
                                  7:30 p.m.
 
                              Admission is Free
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Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:01:45 -0500 (EST)
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give earlym-l archives to vrbass@atlvmic1.vnet.ibm.com
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Subject: RE: FTP sites for sheet music?
From: Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Date: 12 Dec 1992 21:46:17 -0500
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Toyn Eyers asks
 
>Does anyone know of any ftp sites containing sheet music (preferably Baroque)?
 
I don't know of any -- didn't even ask archie either -- as I doubt there is
anything to find.  What would we find?  Gifs resulting from scanning in
published/hand-written sheet music? Stuff in musictex format?  In one of the
other formats music publishing software can handle?  In dvi or postscript
form ready to print?  I don't know if there is a standard way of representing
music, so I have my doubts that there is much to find.
 
I'd love to hear of anything if it exists.
 
--- Joan Boorstein (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
From: de19@umail.umd.edu (Dana S Emery)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: standard representation of music Re: FTP sites for sheet music?
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:04:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.early
Organization: personal

In article <1992Dec15.001623.26403@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
jacob@max.cc.brandeis.edu ( ) wrote:
> 
> curiously i've asked about standard music representations only a few
> weeks ago on comp.music and a few standards groups...
> 
> from what i got there's only one, it's an ansi standard in the making
> (as been for quite some time) is called smdl and is far from ready...

Is there an internet contaact point for discusion of the standard?  Tell us
more please.


> although for many purposes bitmap representations straight out of a
> scanner are just fine, if a bit bulky, i wonder how legal it is to just
> scan publisher x's edition of beethoven piano sonatas and put them in an
> ftp archive.

Be real carefull here, sounds like a probable violation of copyright to me.
 A legal approach would be to scan your own edition, preferably one drawn
from original ms sources.  The music itself is old enough to be out of
copyright, but the printed score as published by, say, Dover, is definatly
under copyright protection.  Of course, one could negotiate to purchase the
rights, but that then brings up the question of extending them to the
purchaser...

Some precendent to this exists with ClipArt disks/CD-roms, anthologys of
any sort have a lot of exposure to legal hassles over copyright
infringement.
--

Dana S Emery <de19@umail.umd.edu>
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From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman)
Subject: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:04:22 GMT


*****  SIMPLE SURVEY -- PLEASE READ *****

I have seen much talk about Sinead on the net lately, 
and was wondering what the general opinion of Sinead
was.  Please take the 20 seconds it takes to reply to
this question and answer it.  (A simple Y or N will do).
Please use your newsreader's reply option or regular
email to submit votes -- do not post your answer.

Question:
Do you still support (or have a general good opinon of)
Sinead O'Connor?

If you wish to send detailed replies as to why or why not,
please do, but they are not required.  Thanks in advance!

Jason Boardman
boarjas@elof.iit.edu
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Subject: RE: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
From: Riitta Valkeila <Riitta.Valkeila@CSC.FI>
Date: 12 Dec 1992 11:18:37 +0200
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yes
--
 
Riitta Valkeila
rvalkeil@convex.csc.fi