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From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Want to by an alternator in NYC
Summary: How to find a 150 A 12 V alternator in NYC.
Keywords: Alternator, smart charging controller, January, NYC
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:03:32 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

I happen to travel to the US in January. I have an intentiont to
sail a week or so in Virgin Islands and then I will be about three
days in NYC in the middle of January.

One of my friends bought an alternator (150 A, 12 V) and a charging
regulator to get some effect to the charging of his batteries, he did
not buy them in NYC.

These things were in U.S. much cheaper than they are in Finland, so
while I happen to be there I am interested to purchase some similar
equipment. I know that I can get them mail order to my hotel in NYC,
but if there are some options (there usually are) then I have to know
for sure what I want. If I can just go with my own too feet to the
shop and look at the stuff, maybe get some good advise from a know-
ledgeable seller (I know that there are some somewhere) I could make
my choice after seeing the stuff.

So does anybody know a shop some reasonable distance from the central
park selling the abovementioned stuff?

Do the mailorder shops sell these things much or any cheaper?

My engine is a 18 HP twocylinder Yanmar Diesel, the present alternator
is rated 55 Ah, but with the present regulator it will produce more that
10 to 15 A only for some short duration of time. The make of the present
alternator is Hitachi, this should tell something about the mounting
brackets.

Does anybody have an idea, of what kind of alternators there are to
replacethe present one in hte 150 to 200 Ah range? In what price range
they are?

How about the smart charging regulators suitable for this alternator?

I am not totally opposed to the idea of using a mail order shop, then 
I must of course know what I am supposed to buy, but perhaps some good
advise from you will help me into that.

Because I am not positive, that this is of common interest you could
perhaps answer by e-mail:

Thanks for listening and thanks for possible cooperation in advance.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

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From: brooks@waldo.net.com (Brooks Magruder)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: santana 35 opinions sought
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:25:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: unet.1992Nov5.222523.22528
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies


a couple of us are interested in graduating from an Ericson 27 
to something in the mid 30 range.  we sail in the SF bay, but would
like to make short ventures into open water.

we have gotten some third hand info on the santanas of shorter length
but know nothing about the 35.

we'd like to do some informal (beer can) racing with the boat for fun
(trophies would be gravy).

the prices of used santanas look reasonable for a boat of that length.

opinions about the boat in general or specific vintage years in particular
would be appreciated.  

thanks!  brooks@net.com
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Running Backstay Question
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:42:43 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
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In article <1992Nov10.184747.9625@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>
>I hope you buy the Beneteau. I'm really impressed by these boats, except for
>the newer ones (ex. 45f5) with their Pininfarina logo. I like the looks of
>my '74 Alfa Spider, but I'm not sure that I would trust them to do the deck
>layout on my boat.

Blimey! I've been very impressed with the 45f5, usually as they've sailed
past the boat I'm racing on! The "f" stands for Farr, and it was the Kiwi
genius that designed them. They're excellent cruiser-racer yachts.

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <B.Munro@bnr.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!bnruk!B.Munro
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. | Note the change
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174   | of e-mail address.
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
From: niemi@astroatc.uucp (Bob Niemi)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Speaking navigation devices
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:08:22 GMT
Organization: Astronautics Technology Cntr, Madison, WI

In article <1992Nov10.094306.6820@aisb.ed.ac.uk> steve@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Steve Hiller) writes:
>I would like to know if anyone knows of a navigation device
>which uses a synthetic voice for readouts (speakouts?).
>For example, a depth sounder which speaks out the depth a
>given time intervals.

From the recesses of recall it seems I encountered a model of depth
sounder during my product search a couple of years ago that had the
option to output beeps at a frequency inverse to the relative depth
on the graph (not absolute depth).
On a 20 foot scale it would blip occasionally at 10 feet, about 1 per second
at 5 feet, about 4 per second at 3 feet....

I can't recall the brand, (in fact it may be the one I own, Interphase
DC500, which has lotsa options, nested menus, blah blah so much that I
forget everything it can do) but I think I blew off the feature as a
nuisance ("Jeez, who could listen to that annoying thing").

On reflection, I have encountered situations where that type of feature
would be very nice.  (For example, on Lake Huron's North Channel you can
go from 50 feet to 5 feet depth in 100 yards over the water.  I also almost
ran out of water just north of Drummond Island, where the marked channel was
80 feet deep, but only 80 yards wide.)

While on the subject of depth sounders, I think a switchable AGC feature
would be worthwhile.  My DC500 doesn't have it, and I find I must diddle
the gain control slightly over the large range of depth encountered on
the Great Lakes.  This is less an annoyance on inland lakes.

Bob Niemi, Astronautics, Madison, WI    ..uwvax!astroatc!niemi
From: samson@ptd475a.erim.org (Joseph Samson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How to move two Lasers?
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:53:41 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
In-reply-to: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM's message of 5 Nov 1992 18:20:07 GMT


In article 3060050@otter.hpl.hp.com, ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:
> 
> I may in the future want to move two Lasers at a time.  I could:
> - get a double trailer 
> - trail one and put the other on the roof of the car.
> - Try to tie two boats onto one trailer

I saw a Sunfish regatta once where a sailing club had four Sunfishes
per trailer. It looked like a flatbed trailer that carried a frame
with four `shelves', each holding a Sunfish. I don't recall what the frame
was made of, but it looked homemade.
--
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							ERIM
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: Bill_Gardner@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Gardner)
Subject: Re: PRACTICAL SAILOR
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:02:39 GMT

Thanks Wayne, I will give them a call.

-=*Bill*=-
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Sail Kits, Worth the time and $ ?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 13:15:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct31.000416@charon.NMSU.Edu> kmarvel@charon.NMSU.Edu (Kevin Marvel) writes:
>a wide cross stitch setting and got some good nylon thread and off

I'm curious as to why you didn't want to use a polyester thread,
since nylon will weaken faster in the sun.  Is the latter more
difficult to work with or obtain?

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Subject: Re: Crewing
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:12:39 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

From: floydb@rpi.edu

>Has anyone ever gotten a crew position through the net?

I've both gotten crew for our Sonar, and gotten crew positions on
other boats. There's a pretty regular trade in net.crew on LI Sound.

dhs  spencer@panix.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: A social problem
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:03:36 GMT

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

... regarding women and attitudes

>Sometimes I row, sometimes Cynthia does. 

>When she rows, we almost always get comments like "How do you get *your* wife
>to do that? I wish I could get *mine* to!" and "Look at that! Living like a
>king!" or "What's your secret, buddy?", or "Hey, how come *you're* not rowing?"

... del

>Any suggestions? Any ideas *why* these people cannot imagine a healthy woman
>in her 30's rowing a boat?

Well, they think they're being witty.  Sad, isn't it?  What they're really being
is impertinent, and ignorant too.  I don't think there's a universal way to deal
with this lack of manners or taste.  If it's someone you know pretty well you could,
with a smile, suggest they stop being a dufus.  If it's a stranger you can just
look 'em the eye and say nothing.

Pesonally, I've never cared for rude strangers who think I should be eager to explain
myself.  That said, it's not for me to educate them, so I just leave them alone. 

cheers,
gerard

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: How to move two Lasers?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:56:16 GMT

In <3060050@otter.hpl.hp.com> ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:


>I may in the future want to move two Lasers at a time.  I could:
>- get a double trailer 
>- trail one and put the other on the roof of the car.
>- Try to tie two boats onto one trailer

>I'm not sure I like the sound of the third option and I have a few questions
>about the others.

>* How easy is it to get a Laser on the top of a car?
>* Do double Laser trailers exist?
>* If I get a double trailer is it going to be pain if I only want to move one
>boat?  If I have a single combi trailer I should be able to load it on my own,
>would a double be as easy to use?

Double trailers exist and are easy to make if you know soeone with some
tubular square frame pieces and a welder.  The easiest solution, however,
is option #3-- put both boats on the same trailer.  It is pretty easy to
build a suitable support for the top boat (which should be upside
down) from wood and carpet.  You can even include holes for the spars
in this wooden middle piece. 

At short notice I have used some foam blocks like that found in docks
between the two hulls.  Didn't create any problems at all.

Getting a Laser on and off a car is pretty easy, but it is a good idea to
always use three people when possible.  

The fanciest trailers have large PVC pipes to hold the spars, a box underneath
everything for equipment, and then racks for two or even three boats.

Good luck,

Will
--
***************************************************************************
*   _______________\|/_      Will Sadler     will@cica.indiana.edu        * 
*   Laser 44888    /|\                       sadler@iubacs.bitnet         *     
***************************************************************************
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:50:28 GMT
Subject: Re: British Steel
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats


I only became aware of the Challenge by watching a TV program about it just
before the start.  I was initially very envious, sailing round the world on a
well equipped yacht looked like a great idea (I race dinghys and have only
spent a few weeks on yachts).  Then I started to think about it, those people
paid around 15,000 POUNDS (I think - anyone know the real figure) each to get a
place on the trip.   

For that amount of money I could go on some first class theory training
courses, say 300 pounds per week.  For the same price I could go on some sea
based courses.  Again for the same price per week I could crew on skippered
yachts in interesting places.  Even if you have no contacts in the yachting
world (and you wouldn't stay that way for long) this type of holiday is easy to
come by in European waters.  Add 1000 pounds for air fare and you could do the
same somewhere exotic.

For 15,000 pounds I could do some great sailing, pick up experience and
qualifications and have a great time into the bargain.  I no longer envy the BS
challenge people.  True, they are doing something that most of us will never be
able to but I think that I can have as much fun and excitement and challenge
without haveing to go round the world the wrong way.  I'd like to have some say
about who I sail with too.

Cheers

Brenda
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Subject: Electronic charts
Keywords: how does it work?
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:06:18 GMT



I often wondered about digitizing marine chart into electronic
digital form for sailing community.  Being quite familiar
with Geographical Information System technologies (GIS) for its
application on land, navigation, route optimization, I am interested
to find out more about the "electronic marine chart".
Can someone on the net tell us more about this technology?
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:31:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Impressions/wrinkles/sailing skills
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington) writes:

    that matter.)   But my guess is Brian wins every time he goes sailing.

Oh gee, Jeff. Shucks! Blush! I mean, oh, I'm so embarrassed.....

Actually, I wouldn't go quite that far; it all depends on how my wife
is feeling :-)

I do have to confess, however, that I do miss the old Fireball and
that I do indeed try to (inadvertently, of course) go faster than the
other sailboats on the lake.  Fortunately for my ego, there are very
few other sailboats on the lake I usually go to, and the few there are
are normally sailed by owners who do not know how to sail--although
they assure me that they love being on the boat, and I believe them.
Whenever I see one of those boats moving around with the main in tight
regardless of direction, I always race them.  Occasionally, a sleek
looking job will show up, eating its way to windward.  I always look
the other way when they are around :-)

B.S!
From: msolomon@mitre.org (Moise Solomon)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Rules question
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:08:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

The port boat can HAIL for room if it can't clear the obstruction, but the
starboard boat does not have to keep clear.  If it does, the port boat will
have to take the alternate penalty (720) for not keeping clear of a
starboard boat.  Starboard has ROW even in with an obstruction.  The port
boat should have anticipated the obstruction, slowed down, and/or tacked.

Moise Solomon

SHOCKWAVE
J/24 #4112   
msolomon@mitre.org



In article <bartley.721326921@spssig>, bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
wrote:
> 
> Suppose 2 boats on OPPOSITE tacks on a beat are approaching an
> obstruction. The starboard boat can clear the obstruction without
> altering course. Is there any rule that allows the port boat to hail
> for room?
From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Rules question
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:41:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: candide.STEPH.92Nov10124120
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science

Dave Perry says, on p 174:
   `When two boats on a beat are on opposite tacks, the inside boat
     cannot ask for ``room'' to pass an obstruction.'

He cites USYRU Appeal 80 which describes exactly this situation.

My reading is that the starboard is only under obligation to avoid a
collision with serious damage, under rule 32.1.  If port hits a cement
piling, starboard is still free and clear.

If starboard does give room, I don't see how port can be prosecuted,
since there is no penalty for taking room if it is availible

But how did this occur?  I can't imagine any situation where port
can't just bear away or tack to avoid such a situation, even right up
to the time of hitting the obstruction.

Incidentally, the rule about hailing for room and getting it but then
retiring is at a mark which is also an obstruction, with both boats on
the same tack.

In that case the hailing boat is looking for room TO TACK (as opposed
to room to scootch around the mark),  and if the hailed boat can
clear the mark without tacking, she needn't give room to tack.  If the
hailing boat hails a second time, the hailed boat shall give room
after which time the hailing boat shall retire or exonerate herself.

Steph
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: charts
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:19:48 GMT

>In article <1992Nov4.185209.13139@macc.wisc.edu> egan@vms.macc.wisc.edu (MICHAEL EGAN, MACC) writes:
>I am looking for a source of cheap charts.  Does any one

Just to follow up on my own previous posting, Michael was asking for a cheap
source of *electronic* charts, not cheap charts in general. And I think
that this quest is admirable (if likely doomed to failure...)--I expect
electronic charts to be much easier to keep up-to-date, and therefore
far less expensive in the long run. Time will show whether I'm right. I've
gotta say, though, that I think that the folks who think that bitmapped 
versions of charts are the way to go are suffering from a grave 
misapprehension. To quote a wonderful line from Shakespeare, "I am the name 
and not the thing." 

-John

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: Mounting transducers without a thru-hull
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:29:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.081931.4109@nas.nasa.gov>, fallavol@fred.nas.nasa.gov
(Michael A. Fallavollita) wrote:
> 
> Now that I think I've determined that my transducer is bad, I have to
> find some way to go about mounting a new one.  The best solution would
> be to pull the boat out (AGAIN) and replace the old transducer which
> I just spent $50 on to rebed (2 weeks before determining it was bad).
> But, I don't want to spend more money on a yard fee, so I'm looking for
> other options.  I thought I remembered seeing an article in Cruising
> World or Sail about mounting a transducer without putting through the hull.
> The solution was to create a resevoir with PVC tube right against the hull.
> Apparently the sound waves can travel through the hull with little
> attenuation.  I think the author mentioned that you loose some of the
> range, but in the SF-Bay, I'm most worried about the shallow readings.
> 
> Anyway, I couldn't find the article in any that I still have, so I was
> wondering what the collective net wisdom says about this kind of mounting.
> Has anyone tried this?  Does anyone remember seeing such an article?

This works very well in boats that have a solid fibreglass hull.  If you
have a cored hull, or a wooden (or metal) hull, the signal from the
transducer can't go through, so this isn't a working solution for such
hulls.  The transducer should be immersed in an inert fluid (such as
mineral oil) to eliminate air trapped between the transducer and the hull,

-Pete
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: floydb@rpi.edu
Subject: Re: Crewing
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:19:38 GMT

In article <1689D7C9F.STU@mwvm.mitre.org> STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>>FL>From: floydb@rpi.edu
>>
>>FL>Has anyone ever gotten a crew position through the net?
>>I caught a notice from Stu Bell when he was taking his uacht from
> 
> 
>I was extremely pleased with the "net-crew" I had for the Ft. Lauderdale
>leg of my trip to D.C.  I believe I've made some life-long friends and
>learned some sailing tricks that will be in my bag forever.
> 


stuff deleted


>If you want to crew, list with CrewFinders.  Everyone we saw that was
>"professional" crew listed with them and was successful in finding work.
> 
> 
> 
>Good luck.   /Stu

I have not come across "CrewFinders", though I have seen ads for 
"Nautical Connections" out of LA, California. What is the address
of CrewFinders?

Initially, crewing is good for getting on the water
with limited investments, and it is encouraging to hear about 
positive captain/crew experiences (such as Stu's). Boat owners, on the 
other hand, are put on the other side of the captain/crew relation,
so any experience either way is helpful.

thanks

barry
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Need tips on winterizing an I/O
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:47:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1992Nov12.181956.4429@msdhsv.ingr.com> scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
>
>      Are you sure this won't have an eroding affect on your coolant system?
>    I've heard that you should merely drain it completely( either thru a drain
>    switch/plug or run slightly w/ no water ). My manual for my Evinrude 85 hp
>    OB says nothing on winterizing the coolant system, just the feul and lube
>    parts.
>
>      What has everybody else heard/experienced? 

An outboard generally drains all the water jackets when it's
tilted down. There's no need to fill it with antifreeze, be-
cause there's not an appreciable amount of water in the cas-
tings.

With an inboard or I/O, it's a bit different. They don't drain
real well, and as such you have to make sure and add antifreeze
to the water that lies in the block. Otherwise, it could freeze
and cause cracking.

BTW, if you have an aluminum block, you should use Aluma-Cool,
or some other antifreeze formulated for aluminum cooling sys-
tems, because regular antifreeze is corrosive to aluminum.

I think you were referring to dri-gas when you were talking
about running it thru the fuel system earlier. In addition
to adding fuel stabilizer, you should also "fog" the engine.
This is normally accomplished by spraying a fogging solution
down the carb barrels while the engine idles. This is supposed
to coat the moving parts with a thin film of oil, so that they
don't rust during prolonged periods of idleness.

-- Mike

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From: wtm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Mullaney)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:52:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Butane on Powerboats?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA