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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What to do for NEW YEAR'S EVE in Los Angeles?
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:57:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48106
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <76155@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
> [I can't descibe it, go read it for yourself]

Wow!  That's all I can say.  Sounds like you are being quite polite as well.

And I thought that coming out via letter to the entire family was stressful!
All they did was say "You're okay, but your lifestyle and every single other 
person in the world like you is not."  I'd rather have my holiday.

However, you might reconsider the role model thing.  Maybe Dorsie will
pipe in with how nice it is to be friends with as good of rug rats as
hers are.  However, she does believe in the word "no" and does a very
good job with it (IMO).  While I do get treated as a human trampoline at
times, it is worth it to be around such wonderful kids.  I would prefer
to be taxed as a gay male role model than allow kids to be be without
a positive role model (especially a gay one!).

Note to squirrel:  as I have told every other single (as wekk as married)
pilot that I have ever known, I love small planes almost as much as I
love to climb mountains.  Should you ever find youself wanting company
for a trip arounf Mt. St. Helens, consider me! me! me!  I have the added
plus of having climbed almost every mountain of note within 200 miles of
Portland (and, for that matter, 100 miles of Seattle), so I make a fairly
good guide as well.

ObNotMotss.  By the time that this gets very far, it will be Wednesday.
Wish me a happy birthday.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:54:53 GMT

In article <C0nupA.ExA@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
> 
> 
[about her participation in threads on male/male flirtation and sex]
> 
> I have no trouble understanding why women might find this attitude
> annoying and/or disgusting.  It just never occurred to me until
> today that anyone might consider that I'm doing essentially the same
> thing.

I wouldn't think that anybody who knows you at all -- and I think that
includes the people whose acquaintance with you derives entirely from
soc.motss exchanges -- would take it this way. As for others, see
below.

> I think that I'm pretty careful to tease only people who seem to
> know me (in person or on the net) well enough so that they
> understand that I'm playing around....
> But
> even if _I_ know this and the objects of my teasing know it, there
> may be people reading who find this behavior at least a little 
> dubious.

This here newsgroup is a pretty complex phenomenon, and people who are
new to it are going to see a lot of stuff that, without knowledge of
its history and subtext, is going to seem pretty strange, and perhaps
some of it off-putting. There's no way we "old-timers" can avoid this,
and I don't think its incumbent on any of us to change our styles for
fear that strangers won't know we're teasing each other (or whatever
applies in any given case).

Which is to say...

> I'm not going to promise to stop it unless I get a serious request
> to do that, but I _will_ restrain myself.

I, for one, would rather you didn't. Even if you get a "serious
request" to that effect. As far as real offenses go, it's hard to see
how your gentle teasing of your gay male friends could rank high on
*anyone's* list.

--Robert
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:28:44 GMT

(Terry Bartlett) writes:
>It could have been worse, Roger.  You could have gone out with me.
>Then what would people have called you?  :-(

The luckiest man on the face of this wretched planet!


Sincerely,
Rendell

p.s. Yes, Virginia, that was an e-flirt.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 19:38:28 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan7.072242.6476@reed.edu> <1ih4lpINN7ef@mizar.usc.edu>

Arne screeches annoyingly:
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan6.040527.7765@spdcc.com>
>> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) suggests to Furr
>> >Maybe you could try reading what Arne has to say without prejudice.
>> what, and make us miss all the fun?!

[Aside to Messrs. Dyer and Minar:]

I don't know where Steve got the idea I'm "prejudiced" against
Arne. It's not like I met him in person, decided I didn't care
for him and from *that* perspective find his postings abrasive.
I've never met him in person; my entire opinion of him is derived
from the nasty, vitriolic postings to .motss that Steve finds so
inexplicably charming. So telling me to "read without prejudice"
would only lead to me coming to the same conclusion all over
again.

>You know, I'm completely mystefied by George's (and Greg's)
>reaction to me.  I think I'm a nice enough fellow, and there
>are people who've put up with me for extended periods of time
>recently -- hi W! hi H! -- so I know I'm not Godzilla or
>something.  Maybe George has some kind of hormonal imbalance?

Talk about an utterly clueless piece of self-absorbed shit.
Try re-reading this, moron -- maybe you'll catch a badly
needed clue:

>That tired old queen?  Why the hell would anyone bother
>talking to a drab who'd chose to live in *Glendale*?

Putting shit like that in a message where you whine about not
being able to fathom why I find you about as pleasant as salt
in an open wound is an *amazing* -- though not uncharacteristic
--example of your hypocrisy.

 
() At any time, at any place, our snipers can drop you.
() Have a nice day.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Marky M. and Vanity Fair
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 07:44:16 GMT

In article <mattm-301292164321@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>But, one really must include the entire Bay Area when discussing
>'cultural landmarks' - as both Stanford and Berkeley lie beyond
>the confines of Babylon. 
>
>As, of course, does the * Stanford * Shopping * Center *
>
>*X*

I find it pretty ironic that there is a shopping center on Stanford
land that no student could ever possibly afford.  The only thing I
ever went to was the Woolworths, and they closed it.  Now I just go to
sales at Macy's.  

Except for the new Body Shop there.  I just couldn't *live* with my
Chamomile Face Mask, or my Oatmeal Facial Scrub, or my Grapefruit
Extract Shampoo, or my...

--scoT

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 ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:48:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.201842.7252@athena.mit.edu>
read@athena.mit.edu (Read Weaver) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.033916.6487@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>|> A-200, Rid, and Kwell shampoos are effective against crabs.  Kwell creme and
>|> lotion is supposed to remain on the skin for 8-12 hours; they are used to
>|> treat scabies.

>As Steve says, Kwell shampoo _is_ prescribed for crabs. It is, however, almost
>never an approporate prescription.  As I believe Steve says elsewhere, Kwell
>is basically Lindane, and is quite toxic--it's a skin-absorbed neurotoxin.
>While there aren't many other choices for scabies, the pyrethrin-based
>pharmaceutical insecticides (like A-200, Rid, etc.) are much less nasty,
>and are more than adequate for crabs.  If your doctor gives you Kwell for
>crabs (as the doctors at my student health clinic always did) I strongly
>suggest giving it back.

To add a data point, I've had both crabs and scabies a
number of times.  A-200, fortunately, was always an adequate
treatment for crabs.  One point no one has mentioned is that
the gestation period for crab lice is about 7-8 days, and
though the first application (done right) kills all the
hatched lice, it does not *always* kill all the eggs (nits).
For this reason a second application a week to ten days
later is a pretty sure way to get any eggs that hatch in the
meantime, before those hatchlings mature enough to lay more
eggs.

Kwell (I've used the lotion, not the shampoo) is about the
only common thing that works for scabies, however, since the
burrow into your skin.  Read's point about the dangers of
using it should be stressed.  Lindane is not something you
want to mess with (one reason it's a prescription
medication), and as someone pointed out, the itching does
not stop right away, which leads people to douse themselves
more than once with this dangerous chemical (not a good
idea).  In addition, a fair number of people are sensitive to
Kwell (I was the first time, but not subsequent times), and
get moderate to severe eczemas from it.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
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[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Geography (was Capitalization, still dubious MOTSS content)
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:49:46 GMT
Organization: NIST

Sorry so late on this.  A thunderstorm fried all 12 a/c units in our building
causing the computers to go haywire.  It was good for a few days off, though.
It's *HOT* down here (87F yesterday!).  Anyone want to go to the beach with
me?

In a previous article, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) wrote:
> 
>To Sim, Mara, and others interested in curious geography:
> 
>I understand the different regions of New York, as currently defined,
>but there's an area which is arguably part of both New York as well as
>New Jersey which I've not seen included.
> 
>Florida, south of I-4.

Close.  Very close.  But a few more lines need to be drawn.  From I-4 South
draw lines following I-75 and the Turnpike.  The area between the two
is still Old South.  The area to the west and around I-75 is part of
the upper midwest, and the area to the east and around I-95 is indeed
as you described.

It gets as little more complicated further south.  Montreal, Toronto, Havana,
Managua, and Port-au-Prince all exist in large areas of Dade and Broward
County.

Good news:  Broward County joined the boycott of Colorado banning official
travel there.  Before anyone yells hypocrite because there is no gay-rights
law here, the county commission is prohibited because of a bizarre series
of court decisions from passing any civil rights legislation.

>It's obvious that below a line running from Daytona to St. Pete that
>what's "there" is the southern part of a Yankee state, but I've never
>been able to tell which one.

I hope this helped.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pride rings going mainstream? (was Re: Pride Ring Colours...
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:38:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan8.083834.29498
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I still don't like the way a pink triangle looks, aesthetically. It
doesn't look bad on a black background, really, but I still just don't
like it much.

So I was happy to find some *rainbow* triangles. I first noticed them
in Portland as No on 9 buttons. The Oregon Peace Institute now sells
them without "No on 9" on them. It's about 4 cm high, nice little
rainbow stripes parallel to one side of the triangle (the top). I keep
one on my coat.

My mother saw my wearing it, about three weeks ago. "Why would you
want to advertise that? ... You know there are gay men who go out
hunting for sex?" Bleah.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                    D is for lots of things
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: chuck@ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461)
Subject: Visiting Orlando, FL
Originator: chuck@fourier
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:41:37 GMT


I will be visiting Orlando (first time in Florida!) from June 2 to June 9.

I will be attending the Presbyterian Church (USA) General Assembly, which
will be voting on several overtures ("bills") which will directly impact
my congregation's ability to call ("hire") an openly lesbian minister,
Jane Spahr.

If you live in Orlando, I would like to hear from you.  I would like
information about places to stay (inexpensive), the gay community, etc.

Thanks!

-- 
Chuck Collins				Product Software Engineering
chuck@pixel.kodak.com			Eastman Kodak Company
(716)726-9461				901 Elmgrove Road
					Rochester, NY  14653-5811
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:05:04 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>>Greggie dear, is there *any* way you could get me a credit card? It
>>doesn't even have to be a gold card or anything. I want one really
>>bad, but that credit rating thing keeps getting in the way...

>I think I want the same thing, but with some extras. Thanks to a solid
>Dutch upbringing, I'm not exactly big on having debt somewhere, so
>what I would like is a card too, but I'd like it to come with some
>_big_ trustfund that pays off my credit-bill every month.

Silly Dutch boy! I wasn't thinking of actually *using* it; I just
wanted to have it so I could put it away in a safe place, taking
it out every now and then to *look* at it and *know* it's *mine*.

But then, as long as it comes with the payments, it would be rude
not to use it, wouldn't it? Okay, you've convinced me. I'll be
expecting the card shortly, Greggie dear.

>And I promise I will never call you 'Greggie dear' to get it.

Oh, come now! Calling someone Greggie dear is on a level with
calling them Stud-o-Matic, in my book.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:48:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

<snarl> <hiss> <ptthththtpptt>, but....

In article <16B511053C.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
(Tracey McCartney) wrote:

> Also, I had mused about the orientation of MTV vj Steve Isaacs (sp?),

I know nothing of Steve Isaacs, but I do know that Jay Mohr
(who hosts *Lip* *Service*) is Kaaaahyyyyuuuuutttteeeeee....

*X*
(and, btw, only *half* of the homosexual community is programmed
to speak of Madonna fondly - such that the other half may create
value in those sorry-ass excuses which pass for their lives by 
speaking ill of her and hers...)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female bea
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:09:20 GMT

In article <72897@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>I've been prepared for some time to deliver a perfect response to
>someone bathed in perfume who requests me to put out my cigar: 
>"Just as soon as you put out your perfume."

George, please put out your cigar.

(Sorry, I don't wear any scents.  I just wanted to say that.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:34:44 GMT

In article <5JAN93.19073960@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov replies:
> >is popular, and patchoulli (sp?) oil always seems to be wafting around 
> >Toronto's warehouse parties...
 
> I do like patchoulli, but it is difficult to wear when it is 95F and humid.

Isn't wearing patchouli oil in a hot sweaty warehouse party a 
hate crime 
:-)

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen, owen@autodesk.com
[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maria Montez Again
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:52:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan5.131532.11961@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> Even temporary idleness does terrible things for the mind.
> I was just sitting here, waiting for fresh coffee (I can't
> even think the word "fresh" any more without seeing the
> image of Jojo before my eyes), and suddenly remembered that
> Maria Montez is the subject of one of these threads (the
> makeup one?).

No.  I brought up Maria Montez in reply to something
George Madison wrote about me.  I don't know what became
of that thread, but it has nothing to do with the divine
Maria.

> At the mention of 3-cent streetcar fares, my so-called mind
> drifted back to the Knoxville Street car, which ran in front
> of the Beverly Cinema, a half-block from my house (now a
> Jewel supermarket) in horrible old Peoria.

The house you grew up in is now a supermarket?  Was
what used to be your bedroom now the meat counter?

> There I was spellbound (sweet jesus, more than 50 years
> ago!) by Maria Montez as Cobra Woman, with Jon Hall and
> Turhan Bey.

Cobra Woman!

> I saw a clip of Jon Hall not long ago and
> wondered how somebody so wimpy could ever have seemed so
> heroic to me. 

Tastes change.  Until last weekend Gene Kelly was like
fingernails on the chalkboard to me.  But then I saw
"The Pirate" again (for the 900th time), and suddenly I
understood his appeal.

> But my question, dear audience, is one that
> probably only Arne or Howard could answer: I always thought
> Turhan Bey was family.  Was he?

So they say.  I do know that there was some scandal or other
in the 1950s that made him flee the US.  He moved back to Austria,
from whence he came originally, and continued with some kind of 
career in Vienna.  I've never been able to find out what the 
scandal was about, other than that it was sexual in nature.
Anyone out there know?

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Subject: UU Motss at Charlotte ?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:01:31 GMT

Does anyone in netland more familiar with UU BLG matters than I know
what will be the goings-on at the UUA GA in Charlotte this year ?


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
In-reply-to: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:20:34 GMT
Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.52.65 of Mon Apr 22 1991 on kontrol (berkeley-unix)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:03:28 GMT

In article <C0HpAA.3Iv@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>So are the Dutch crabs, I guess. I've never felt them bite.

>It's odd to have something on your body that lives. Forgive me for
>sounding very wierd here, but I did have some problems in killing them.
>I mean: these creatures depeneded on me. I felt a bit parental.

Yes, this sounds very weird, but absolutely charming in an FJ!! kind
of way. 

FJ!!,
I know the F stands for Fabian, does the J stand for Jain?
Yours in Motss,
JonTom

>But the itching drove me wild. They're now metabollically challenged.

>								FJ!!
-- 
"I feel, my dear boy, my arm around you. I feel the pulsation,
 thereby, as it were, of your excellent future and your admirable
 endowment" -- Henry James to his protoge' Henrik Anderson
               (as quoted by Fred Kaplan)
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:07:39 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) wrote:
>Cool Water by Davidoff is my favourite right now.  The new polo (Spirit?)
>is popular, and patchoulli (sp?) oil always seems to be wafting around 
>Toronto's warehouse parties...

I do like patchoulli, but it is difficult to wear when it is 95F and humid.
For those times, my favorite would be Green Water, which is only available
in France and at I. Magnin.  Unfortunately, their distributor just died and
they haven't figured out yet that they need another one, so the only way
any stores can get it is to go to the manufacturer in France.  I was lucky
to buy the last bottle I. Magnin in SF had in December.  It is a very light,
mostly citrus scent.

There is a commercial I've seen lately for some cologne, the "Scent of
raw sensuality."  Oh, well.  I thought that was sweat.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:25:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.213857.6179@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.201842.7252@athena.mit.edu> read@athena.mit.edu (Read Weaver) writes:
>Actually, Elimite, 5% permethrin creme, is a recently approved treatment
>for scabies; it's as effective as 1% Lindane, perhaps more so.  Permethrin
>is a semi-synthetic derivative of pyrethrin.  Still Rx-only, as are all
>scabies remedies.

a few years ago, after *several* shots with Kwellada (canada's name for it)
didnt work on beard/hair infestation. i asked the pharmacist what to do.
(should be noted that a couple previous occasions in my life, the Kwellada
  worked as instructed, and yes i do laundry :-)

i explained i suspected i just wasnt getting all the eggs/nits with this
mass of hair and i did not want to shave.

she suggested "Nix" Creme Rinse for Head Lice.
Permethrin 1% (w/w)

after shampooing, towel dry, soak in the Nix. let sit 10 minutes. rinse.
she claimed it kills the eggs too, unlike the Kwellada where you have to
aim the 2nd dosage at the same time they hatch. (or manage to comb the nits
out of your hair. ha! hahahahaha!)

it worked. one blast.

"Nix" is a trademark of Burroughs Wellcome Inc. Canada

It was very expensive at the time. Worth every penny.

-- 
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