From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: About the explosion
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:35:05 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Apr5.043215.18411@u.washington.edu> jars@milton.u.washington.edu (Juan Rodriguez-Sero) writes:

>Finally, I believe (and state so explicitly) that no state in "murder-
>ous"; even very contemptible state like Iraq and Lybia are not, at
>least in a technical sense, "murderous"; and, of course, the State of
>Israel is not "murderous" either". That is a direct consequence of the
>nature of both murder and state; look it up in any dictionary. 

O.K., if you believe no state can be murderous, let me rephrase the
question:

Do you believe the government of Israel is murderous?
Do you believe Mr. Shamir is a murderer?
Do you believe Israeli attacks on refugee camps are murderous?
Do you believe that the massacre at Kafar Qasim was murderous?
Do you believe that the massacre at Deyr Yasin was murderous?
Do you believe Israel's invasion of Lebanon, in which Israel 
killed thousands of civilians was murderous?  (Mr. Reagan, 
Israel's staunch ally, has referred to Israel's attacks on civilians
as "slaughter.")
Do you believe the massacre at Sabra and Shatilla was murderous?

>I want to make clear that you have not, in any way, rescinded your
>support and solidarity for the muderous attack on the Israeli embassy
>in Buenos Aires; I think we must assume that you still think it was
>"the right thing to do". And I say again: With minds and attitudes
>like yours, there can be no peace. How can we demand that the Israelis
>negotiate with individuals like you, with any realism? 

That's a good question:  "How can we demand that the Israelis 
negotiate with individuals like you [Behnam Sadeghi] with any 
realism?"  The answer is that as far as I know nobody has 
demanded Israel to negotiate with me or with individuals like
me.  Anyways, I don't see what the point of Israel negotiating 
with me would be.  It's like South African government negotiating
with me to settle its conflict with Blacks.   I am not one of the
involved parties.  I sympathize with Palestinians in the same way
that I sympathize with South African Blacks.

>Sadly, it takes
>two sides who agree to peace to wage peace, but just one bent on war
>to wage war; as long as attitudes like yours persist, there will be
>no peace.

I think I am the one who is being realistic.  Look at the PLO and
those naive Palestinians who thought that by giving Israel
every possible concession they could expect to get Israel to 
negotiate in a reasonable way.  They have recognized Israel without
being recognized by it.  They have gone out of their way to make
every reasonable (and often unreasonable) concession.  All to no
avail.  That's partly why I said that Israel has proven that the
only language it is able to communicate in is force.

>And I also say again: Your position is crap (or if you prefer, more
>technically, excrement); you are a disgrace for your side, whatever
>it may be. Your statements are, for those who you purport to support
>and defend, at least an embarrassment, at most likely a sabotage. The
>Mossad couldn't do it better than you, Behnam.

Yawn... :-( )  .  Since it's the n'th time you're repeating this stuff, 
perhaps you think the net readers aren't able to understand what you say
the first time.  Just to assure you that we can understand your English,
let me summarize your view of me:    You believe my position is "crap," 
"excrement", and that I am a "disgrace" and a mentally "sick" person who 
must go back to Iran.  

Now, if I didn't get that right, maybe you want to write a few pragraphs
to delineate your view of me in greater detail.  Otherwise, I assure you
we understood what you wrote.

>Juan Antonio Rodriguez-Sero     | Those who have long enjoyed

Behnam Sadeghi