From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Internet BBS's in UK
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:36:37 GMT


In article <723328257snx@cursci.demon.co.uk>, gtoal@cursci.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes...
> 
>In article <1fih0aINNobi@violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk> xuegx@csv.warwick.ac.uk writes:
>>Demon Systems Limited of Hendon Way, London.
>>081-349-0063. Their motto is THE INTERNET
>>FOR A TENNER A MONTH. Compare that to <hmmmm..
>>better not finish that thought.....>
> 
>No, he asked for an internet site he could telnet *to*, not from.
>ibmpcug.co.uk is probably a better bet, if I've understood the
>question properly.  He can get a unix shell account there.
> 
This info may be of use

The UK Internet list.	This version 15-Dec-1992
Compiled by Craig Cockburn

This is a summary of information gathered from the Internet on how private
individuals in the UK can connect up to the Internet for International email 
and/or Usenet access from a PC in their house. It also gives information on
how people without usenet access can post to usenet newsgroups via a UK mail
address.

Editorial:
Note that I am leaving Digital on Thu 17th December and so someone else
will need to maintain this list.

When sending me amendments, please send me the entire section you would
like inserted for your company, rather than saying "add this" or "delete
that". This makes life much easier for me and reduces the possibility of
mistakes.

Alphabetic list of companies covered in this summary

CIX
Compuserve
Demon systems (has the info on email'ing to usenet newsgroups)
DGI-Infocom
The Direct Connection
ExNet
IBM PC User Group 
Pipex
PSIlink
Spud's Xanadu
Sound

------------------------ The List ----------------------------------------

CIX:

 ------- Forwarded mail received on 28-Jul-1992 at 13:52:13 -------

From:	mat@cix.clink.co.uk


We offer 3 services really, Electronic Mail / Usenet access, Online
conferencing and a database of Files.

The costs follow:

CIX - The cost effective conferencing system:
=============================================

    Usage and non usage charges:
        Connection Rates:    	   2.00 pounds per hour off peak.
                             	   3.10 pounds per hour peak.
        Monthly Minimum:           6.25 pounds - billed in advance.
        One time Registration:     15.00 pounds. User Manual included.

    Mail charges:
        Within the UK:		   Free.
        Received from outside UK:  Free.
        Sent outside UK:	   7 pence per kilobyte (see update below)

    Fax machine billing:
	Normal UK Fax:             30 pence per page
	European Fax:	           70p first page + 45p per additional page.
	Outside Europe Fax:        175p first page + 125p per additional page.
	Extras (UK only):          20 pence per extra per page

    CIX User Manual:               10.00
    CIX Tshirts:                   3.00

                                   (All prices are ex VAT).

    Peak time is Mon - Fri 08:00 to 18:00.
    It is the logon time that determines whether it is peak or cheap.

    If you have any questions or queries email 'cixadmin'
    or telephone 081 390 8446.

Comment from a CIX user:
CIX supports/is supported by a wide range of off-line readers on 
various machine types, which means that your on-line time is minimized. 
Combined with the high-speed modem access (HST DS+'s), there are a number 
of people who use it regularly from further away than Silicon Glen!

CIX update:

    CIX now has:-

    	- free E-mail to all addresses, both national and international, 

    	- a facility to send outgoing faxes by emailing a daemon account
    	which parses the messages for control lines, etc then sends the
    	text.

    	- a direct connection to the Internet, thus allowing the use of 
    	such things as telnet, ftp, ping, finger. Files that are retrieved
    	by ftp are held in a user's ip directory from which they can be
    	downloaded to the user's computer in the normal way via Zmodem, etc.
    	This also allows CIX users with accounts on other systems on the 
    	Internet to telnet into CIX to access it, thus saving their telecom
    	charge. I believe that it's also accessable via PSS, although I
    	don't know the details.
    	

CompuServe info: 

First, details on what they offer in the US (info supplied by a user)

I pay  10 Dollars a month for one level above basic service. 
Out of that my connect time gets paid , connect time is about 20 cents 
a minute. That comes to about 50 minutes. To send a message takes slightly 
under a minute.

ComPuserve customer service UK freephone 0800 289 458

I was talking to a old friend who told me
that MCI mail was common link that they were heading towards. I believe
he quoted a charge of 35 dollars a year.. Would be interesting to know
if you have to pay more there for the same services than you do in the
states  ( Compuserve charges 35 cents for each mail message to MCI .   
This message to you has no surcharge , via internet with the service I
have.


More CompuServe info (this applies to the UK)

Their Information Services e-mail address is :

70006.101@compuserve.com

There is no access to usenet at all.

The charges are (in US$)

Standing Charge + Connect Charge + Communications Surcharge 

The standing charge is free for the first month, thereafter $7.95/month

The connect charge is free for basic services, extended services cost at
the following rate (my leaflet does not say what is a basic service !!)
300 baud = $6.30/hour
1200/2400 baud = $12.80/hour
9600 baud = $22.80/hour

The communications surcharge is as follows - as Compuserve calls are quite
likely to be a local number, this charge covers the use of the comms network
to the central compuserve location, rather than you having to pay long distance
telephone charges.

UK:			off peak (1900-0800)	peak (0800-1900)
London				FREE		$7.70/hour
(Compuserve Network)
(Compuserve now have a Reading node) - perhaps the London rates now apply
	to Reading too

Rest of UK:
GNS Dialplus network		$4.20/hour	$7.70/hour

They also offer services in Germany, Switzerland and there's a 4th rate for
the rest of Continental Europe.


DEMON SYSTEMS:

 ------- Forwarded mail received on 26-Jun-1992 at 17:13:51 -------

From:	cliff@demon.co.uk

    The facilities offered are:  SLIP or PPP access to the Internet
via gate.demon.co.uk.  This includes free international mail, free
bi-directional usenet news and ftp access to any Internet site in
the world.  Other facilities available on the Internet are "Internet
Relay Chat" and telnet facility to any number of public-access
boards in the world.

    The only charges are #12.50 joining fee and then #10.00 per
month (both plus VAT).  These are collected monthly in advance from
your credit card.  Other than that, it's a call to an 081 number.

    To get started, you will need to mail the following details to
internet@demon.co.uk.  You should be set up the next day.  Before
you log on with PPP or SLIP, you will need to do so with a terminal
emulator and, having logged in with your chosen site name, you will
be prompted to set a password. The modem number is 081-343 4848.

    You then log on using ka9q or other IP package and become part
of the Internet.  Don't forget to read any mail addressed to
postmaster at your site ... it's our standard way of getting in
touch with you.

    The support number (voice) is 081-343 3881.  Please do not
hesitate to ring us if you need any further assistance.

    To get you started, we need to know:

	1)    Credit Card Number
	2)    Expiry Date
	3)    Address
	4)    Phone Number
	5)    Machine Name: <something>.demon.co.uk (from 4 to 8 characters)
	6)    Machine Type
	7)    SLIP or PPP

        See you on the Internet!
            Cliff.


-- 
Cliff Stanford				Email:	cliff@demon.co.uk (Work)
Demon Systems Limited				cms@demon.co.uk   (Home)
42 Hendon Lane				Phone:	081-349 0063	  (Office)
London	N3 1TT	England				0860 375870	  (Mobile)

--- info on accessing usenet newsgroups: ---

Article: 5655
From: mt@kram.org (Mark Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: How do mail directly to a newsgroup?
Date: 29 Nov 92 11:39:14 GMT
Organization: Demon Systems Limited / Demon Internet Services

In article <LeZyuB1w165w@wabworld.atl.ga.us> bill@wabworld.atl.ga.us writes:
>According to the recently released Nutshell handbook, 
>_The_Whole_Internet_User's_Guide_&_Catalog_, by Ed Krol, you can post to 
>Unsenet neswgroups via e-mail by mailing the posting to 
>"[groupname]@cs.utexas.edu" or to "[groupname]@pws.bull.com" where 
>[groupname] is such that if you wanted to post to misc.misc, you'd use 
>misc-misc as the [groupname] above.  And of course you wouldn't use the 
>brackets or quotation marks, either, for the real thing.
>
>Remember, using these gateways, replace the 'dots' or periods in the 
>regular Usenet group name with dashes '-'.

You may also use our gateway here at demon. Postings aimed at
whatever.the.newsgroup@news.demon.co.uk will be posted for you. The
separators in the group name may be either dots or dashes.

Regards,

Mark.

-- 
/\/\ark Turner                               Demon Systems / Demon Internet
Office: mark@demon.co.uk (+44 81 349 0063)       42 Hendon Lane, London
Home: mt@kram.org (+44 831 823 212)                  N3 1TT, England
------------------ PGP version 2.0 Public Key available -------------------
*** IP level dial-up connectivity to the Internet for a tenner a month! ***



DGI-Infocom:

 ------------ Forwarded mail received on 10-Dec-1992 at 13:53:13 ------------

From:	pgoujard@infocom.uucp   "Philippe Goujard"

DGI-Infocom provides the following services :

    - Email
    - Usenet news
    - Local newsgroups
    - Binary mail (user-2-user transfer)
    - Free/Shareware database
    - Chat 
    - Games
    - Online teletext pages
    - User group support (private files, private conferences etc...)

All services are part of a full-screen user-friendly BBS program, no notion
of Unix required (our objective was to make all bbs users feel
confortable).

NO Connection rates.
NO Monthly minimum.
NO File quota or download limit.

Registration fee :
    Bronze : Free (3 months)
    Silver : 25.00 Pounds per Year  (read-only usenet news)
    Gold   : 40.00 Pounds per Year  (read-write usenet news)

Infocom mail charges:
    Received and send whitin UK : Free
    Sent outside UK : 10p per kilobyte

Demonstration and registration:
    Call (0734) 34 00 55, all speeds up to 9600 8-N-1.
    At login prompt type "new" to see a demo or register.

More info:
    Mail "information@infocom.uucp" to receive an automatic information
    mail or phone (0734) 344 000 (voice) during business hours.

DGI-Infocom is a part of the Davinson group and is in no way related to
Activision or its subsidiairies.

--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Philippe Goujard <sysop>                 Email : pgoujard@infocom.UUCP


The Direct Connection:

 ------- Forwarded mail received on 23-Aug-1992 at 22:39:32 -------

From:	tdc0001@dircon.co.uk

With reference to your list of UK public USENET sites, here's 

The Direct Connection has been providing on-line communication
services since 1988. Our facilities include:

        - USENET news access (with a choice of newsreaders)
        - Electronic Mail to/from Internet sites
        - FAX gateway
        - Computing/technology news service (updated throughout
          the day, every day)
        - Libraries of downloadable software

Charges: 
        Registration charge (one off)   -  5 pounds (+ VAT)
        Monthly subscription            - 10 pounds (+ VAT)

We do not levy a time charge and there are no time restrictions.
Payment is by credit card, or for companies, we can send invoices.

We have an on-line demonstration facility which will give you
more information. You can access it by calling: 081-317 2222
(300 to 2400 bps) or 081-317 3333 (V32/V32bis/HST), and login
with account name: demo.



ExNet: 

 ------- Forwarded mail received on 30-Jul-1992 at 14:14:04 -------

From:	dhd@exnet.co.uk  "Damon"

Contact address for ExNet:
Damon Hart-Davis
60 Sunningdale Avenue
Hanworth
TW13 5JT

Tel/Fax: 081 755 0077

Internet address is HelpEx@exnet.co.uk.

Basic setup is now subs UK #5 /month for 300--2400 baud dialup, with 
first month FREE (no subs) to try out the system.

Up to 1MB e-mail (in and out total) and 10MB USENET postings per month, and 1MB
of perm disc space all guaranteed free.  More by arrangement and possibly
free!

All users get Internet e-mail addresses of the form user@exnet.co.uk, though
this may change to be a subdomain such as user@helpex.exnet.co.uk at some
point.

All prices exclude VAT.

Info sheet on ExNEt:

Will ExNet's HelpEx service help me?

Well if any of the descriptions below fit, yes:

    You are a consultant or programmer needing up-to-the minute access to the
    latest facts and rumours in computing.  Or maybe you've got a problem you
    can't solve and you need some advice.  And you don't want to splash out
    lots of money.

    You are a in a small business needing cheap, fast, national and
    international e-mail access.

    You are a student, ex-student, or private individual wanting cheap access
    to USENET and e-mail.

    You want to use a bulletin board.  USENET is the biggest with perhaps
    over 2,000,000 readers at 40,000 sites.  We carry about 500 `groups' or
    boards and 8MB of traffic every day at the moment.  We are
    steadily increasing the number of groups we carry.  Every topic under
    the sun has a group!

    You have a special interest.  Talk to us about it---we may be able to set
    up links for you for nothing to sites carrying specialist discussions.
    High performance car (hotrod) and bike groups from Atlanta, Georgia, USA is
    one of our first such specialist areas.

    You want UNIX access.  We run SunOS, Sun's flavour of BSD and SVR4 UNIX.
    We give unrestricted shell access, with various common shells.

    You want Internet access for remote logins (rlogin and telnet) and ftp.  We
    will have it soon.  Ftp is possible via mail servers over e-mail in the
    meantime.

Costs:

    Only UK #5 per month, three months in advance.  There is a 10 per cent 
    discount if you pay six months in advance, or if you are a full-time 
    student.

    NOTHING for full USENET access for receiving and sending articles.
    About 3,000 messages in about 500 groups arrive each day.  More is
    available.  Very frequent news exchanges with connected sites.

    NOTHING for full national and international e-mail access to send and
    receive as much or as little as you like.  Mail access to UK universities
    over JANET is included.  As little as an average of 15 minutes to any 
    Internet site.

    NOTHING for access at up to 2400 baud (V22bis) or down to 300
    baud (V21) or 1200/75 (V23).

    NOTHING for your first 1MB of disc space.  Only 2p per 1MB
    per day for any data left on the disc overnight.  A small charge may be
    levied for an expanded disc quota.

    Other facilities are being added all the time.

    Payment is by cheque drawn on a UK bank.  All prices exclude VAT.
    Services offered to you may be slightly different from those shown here,
    and may also be tailored to fit your requirements---please enquire.


Can I try before I buy?

    You can use HelpEx for up to one month for free before you decide if you
    want to retain access to the service.

How do I get in contact?

    Write to us (on paper or electronically) or 'phone and leave a message
    telling us your normal postal address, and we'll send you an information
    pack telling you how to get started.


 ------- Forwarded mail received on 19-Oct-1992 at 22:48:02 -------

From:	alanj@ibmpcug.co.uk  "Alan Jay"

IBM PC User group/Connect service:

A Couple of updates to our services:

As well as our standard BBS services we also offer Unix
shell accounts to full Internet users on a 386BSD based
PC connected to the Internet.  For users who already
have Internet access (ie do not need dial up access) 
we offer shell accounts on this machine for 50 pounds per year.

UUCP Connections for News amd Mail.
===================================

We offer Mail and News feeds to sites the cost is 250 pounds
for Mail (including UK application realy service) and 200 for
News (News is available in any size feed and very small
feeds are offered at a discount).  There are no mail volume
charges under normal circumstances.

For individuals who do not reqiuire a full site feed we also
offer individual UUCP feeds from 95 pounds per year (75
pounds for PC User Group Members) and recommend Waffle 1.65
to provide UUCP access along with Helldiver a Windows news
and mail reader.  A disk with this software is avilable from
our software library and it is also available for download.



Pricing summary:
===============

[All prices in Pounds Sterling and exclude VAT]:

a) Monthly (Total cost per month):

                              Members            Non-Members

   One time joining fee      7.50 + VAT          10.00 + VAT

     CONNECT (basic)         3.50 + VAT           5.00 + VAT
With External Mail & IRC     5.25 + VAT           7.00 + VAT
     (Admin Charge)
With Non-Interactive FTP     6.50 + VAT           8.50 + VAT 
With Interactive FTP, 
     and Telnet             12.00 + VAT          14.00 + VAT

   Monthly charges are billed in advance.
   There are no volume charges relating to mail provided
   your usage does not exceed 2.5Mb per month.

b) Yearly (Total annual cost in []):

                             Members             Non-Members

   One time joining fee      nil                 10 + VAT
   CONNECT  (basic)          35 + VAT            50 + VAT
Options:
   External Mail & IRC       20 + VAT            25 + VAT
   (Admin. charge)              [55]                [75] 
   Non-Interactive FTP       10 + VAT            15 + VAT
   (must have exteranl email)   [65]                [90]
   Interactive FTP, 
   and Telnet                65 + VAT            65 + VAT
   (must have email             [130]               [155]
    and non-interactive)

   UUCP connectivity         15 + VAT            20 + VAT
   (in additional to any annual subscription)

   There are no volume charges relating to mail provided
   your usage does not exceed 2.5Mb per month.

--------------------------------------------------------




Pipex:

 ------- Forwarded mail received on 25-Aug-1992 at 10:28:35 -------

From:	bobm@unipalm.co.uk
Subj:	PIPEX - UK Internet

I understand that you have been in touch with Keith Mitchell about
Internet access in the UK, and that you have been sent our FAQ.

Please note that our prices are FULLY inclusive, and that we arrange
all aspects of a connection, ie :-

PIPEX Worldwide PLUS :-   Installation # 1800.00
                          Subscription # 2875.00 (per quarter)

	64kbps leased line (Installation, rental)
	Xyplex 6220 router (Installation, configuration, rental)
	Email
	Usenet news (45 Mb per day)
	Full IP access to the Worldwide Internet
	Unlimited network traffic
	No usage charges
	Guaranteed network availability
	24 hour support, 7 days a week, on our entire network
	Guaranteed prices for up to 3 years.

If you already have a corporate network within the UK, we will
provide Internet connectivity for this network through one
leased line connection.

I hope that this information proves useful to you, please contact me
if you require any further information or assistance.


Regards,

Bob
_________________________________________________________________
Bob Morley				PIPEX (Public IP EXchange)
PIPEX Sales				216 Cambridge Science Park
Email: bobm@pipex.net			Milton Road
Tel  : (44) 223 424616			Cambridge
Fax  : (44) 223 426868			CB4 4WA


PSILink:

 ------- Forwarded mail received on 16-Jul-1992 at 14:27:28 -------

From:	schoff@psi.com "Martin Lee Schoffstall"
Subj:	Re: Internet access 

our psilink service will be available in the uk no later than august.  for
details send email to

psilink-info@psi.com

the computer will respond with on-line info.

Martin

... and this is the message you get ...

 ------- Forwarded mail received on 16-Jul-1992 at 14:40:35 -------

From:	psilink-info-forw@psi.com
Subj:	Re: Request for info

[This is an automatically generated message.]

PSILink -  Personal Internet Access
	Email, Anonymous FTP, & USENet

Internet access is an important facet of all higher education institutions,
and most corporations throughout the US, Western Europe and the Pacific
Basin.  It is also important for small organizations and individuals, yet
both the cost and usability have been barriers.  The PSILink service is
designed to remove these barriers for the indivdual.

PSI provides local dialups throughout North America to provide PSILink service
and provide access to the 250+ million people available through the
Internet and electronic mail networks such as compuserve, mcimail, etc.  Over
200 cities are served - in the US, Mexico, and Canada.

The PSILink 'Lite' service today provides unlimited electronic messaging 
for a flat fee.  PSILink Basic in addition to unlimited messaging provides
Anonymous FTP access to thousands of archive sites as well as USENET
NEWs the largest distributed bulletin board in the world.

PSI provides the necessary software for MSDOS based PC's to use this service
at no additional cost - the current Version is 3.1.  Only PSI's software
can access this service.
Even the smallest PC with a Hayes compatible modem
can use PSILink.  This software is available via anonymous ftp on
ftp.psi.com in the "psilink" directory as

	psilink-3.0.zip

and in its compontent installation files un-zipped.  Make sure you use
binary transfer.  It is also available on a 3.5" 1.44Mbyte MSDOS floppy
when you register, no other distribution media is available.

A demonstration account is available, the
name is "guest" with the password of "guest".  [The password will change
periodically, and only email is available through the guest account].


If you want to register for this service send email to

	psilink-registration@psi.com

A PostScript registration information will be automatically mailed to you,
you will need to fill it out and send it in by usmail or fax.

If you can't print the PostScript documents send complete contact information
including postal address, name, and phone number to:

	psilink-order@psi.com

You will receive materials via the Postal system.

Alternatively you can call or write:

	PSI
	Attn: PSILink Information
	Suite 1100
	11800 Sunrise Valley Drive
	Reston, VA 22091
	+1.703.620.6651
	(fax) +1.703.620.4586


PSILink Monthly Pricing (after the one-time $19 registration fee) is:

	   @1200-2400baud    @9600baud (V.32)
'Lite'		$19		$29
Basic		$29		$39

These flat fees apply to use of ClassA dialup cities.  ClassB dialup cities
have an additional connection time costs - $6/hour prime time, $2.50/hour
non-prime time.  City lists are available by sending email to
	classa-na-numbers@psi.com
	classb-na-numbers@psi.com
The computer will automatically respond with a list.

Basic Service provides 50Mbytes of USENET per month, each additional Mbyte
	is an additional $1.  It also includes 50Mbytes of FTP per month,
	each additional Mbyte is an additional $1.

PSILink is billed on a monthly basis to your MasterCard or Visa, no other
payment plan is available.


Copyright 1991,1992 Performance Systems International Inc. All rights reserved.

Rev: 7/10/92


Article: 354
From: jamie@spuddy.uucp (Jamie Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted,uk.telecom
Subject: Re: Access wanted in HALIFAX UK
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:25:49 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain


Greetings

Here is a brief description of Spud's Xanadu - the sun network dedicated
to the provision of a FREE mail and usenet service for the UK. Online is :-

* Loads of freeware for download. Much of it is available via this mail
server. There is also a complete archive of the excellent GNU utilities
online.

* Two `mud' games.

* FREE access to a full unix shell. The choices of shell are :
sh, csh, bash, ksh, zsh, tcsh or rc.

* If you don't like unix - you don't have to touch it ! There is a menu
system that allows user-friendly access to the world of usenet ! Just
request a `menu' shell.

* Full access to usenet news. This (obviously) includes posting.

* Your own mailbox for worldwide internet/uucp mail.

* No limit on downloading - no ratios or silly rules. You may request
sources by post for free (providing you provide the media !)

* A friendly bbs.

* You may obtain uucp access to transfer files directly.


AND MORE !! In glorious FM stereo. Call now - login as 'bbs' at the prompt.


	SPUD'S XANADU  >> 0203 638780/638693 <<  Meeeeeooooww !


-- 
 > Meeeoooow !  Call (0203) 638780/638693 for FREE access to Usenet  !!! <

       jamie@spuddy.uucp    or    !uunet!mcsun!uknet!spuddy!jamie

    Flash ! I love you ! But we only have 14 hours to save the Earth.

SOUND:

 ------------ Forwarded mail received on 18-Nov-1992 at 06:39:07 ------------

From:	Rob@sound.demon.co.uk  "Robert J Barth"

* Sound & Vision BBS (+44) (0)932 252323
* 2 lines (3 next month), all 300-14400, 24hrs.
* 4 gigabytes of software on line, 6 CDroms, and 8 more CDroms offline

* Full UseNet and InterNet EMail feeds
* BBS door written by myself allows :
  * Downloading of news/mail in a ZIP, to read offline with the excellent
    CPPnews (or Snews/PCelm, or LIST)
  * Uploading of reply mailbags
  * Personal ability to add/remove newsgroups

* Cost is only 10 a year for Usenet, 10 for BBS, or 17.50 for both
* Voice support on 0932-253131, 24 hours (when I'm awake)

=--------------------------------------.----------------------------------=
|          -   Rob  Barth   -          | InterNet : Rob@Sound.Demon.Co.UK |
| Sound & Vision BBS +44 (0)932 252323 | FidoNet  : Sysop, 2:254/14       |
| RJB Communications +44 (0)932 253131 | Nyx      : RBarth@Nyx.Cs.Du.EDU  |
=--------------------------------------.----------------------------------=

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  Craig Cockburn, Digital Equipment Co. Ltd, Reading, England.     Suas
  Internet: cockburn@system.enet.dec.com                           leis
  Voice: +[44] 734 580597                                          a'
  Views here are mine,                                             Gha\idhlig!
     and are not necessarily those of Digital or any other organisation