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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Velcro Diaper Wraps and Cloth Diapers (NEW questions!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:54:39 GMT
	<14052@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Organization: Sylvan Associates


   In article <1992Aug13.045117.17396@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
   |> In article <l8ivpmINN5nr@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle) writes:
   |> >
   |> >1) How true to size to the Nikky's fit?  NB is up to 9 pounds!  Do I
   |> >want to just go ahead and get the next size up instead?  I have no
   |> >idea if we will have a big baby or not - but my husband thinks he was
   |> >approx. 10 lbs when he was born!!!  They say the cut is different
   |> >on the NB - at least for the wool, is that also true for the all-cotton?
   |> 
   |> YOu can probably skip the NB size. Jeffrey always seemed to fit in 2-3
   |> Nikkys at one time. I think the cut of the NB sizes includes a small cutout
   |> for the umbilical cord, but I dont remember finding it too useful. I still
   |> managed to knock the cord at every opportunity :-(.

Robin was in Biobottom and Nikky wools (3 mo size, but he was a 9 lb
10 oz baby!) and his cord fell off much quicker than his sister's (in
cheaper velcro covers). I just kept the diaper folded back from the
cord, and let the wool touch the cord. I almost ordered biobottom nb
size for Robin, but then thought to ask what weight they went up to -
10 lbs! So we skipped it. (Good thing, because he was 10 lb 2 oz at
his 1 week checkup)

I'd buy a few nb and keep them in the packages, and buy a few of the
next size up, and prewash them. You can then put your newborn baby in
one of the slightly large covers at first, and if it works, exchange
the nb for larger ones. If you buy covers with gussets in the legs
(Nikkys have them) you can also use a needle and thread and pinch the
gusset smaller and put stitch in to hold it pinched to the smaller
size. I did that with Kathy's anyways, because the gussets on the
dappi covers we bought still leaked.

					*Tigger*

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!
From: njamal@amherst.edu
Subject: Funny things they say [6-year-old]
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:38:08 GMT

Lately, with a new baby, Nesim (who is 6) is the Big Brother and has
been trying to play the part of a grown up kid.  He does so well, 
that we forget sometimes he is still very young until we are reminded 
as with the following:

	Me:  Nesim, please go upstairs and get your pajamas on
	     so that we can read together after I put the baby
	     to bed.

	Nesim:  I'll do it, but I want you to know that its 
                against my WILLS.

------

	Nesim:  Mom can you help me make a car out of my legos?

	Me:     I can't do it now why don't you just see what you
		do on your own.

	Nesim:  But Mom!  I can't read the DESTRUCTIONS alone!

All this from a kid who goes around the house talking about things
being "kool" and "rad".
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Saints/Sinners (Was Re: Mischievous Child (3 YO))
Summary: reverse situation with my family
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:18:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Aug13.180621.4944@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>Another data point on the saint/sinner situation.  In my family,
>I was the "saint" (excellent student, didn't get into trouble)
>and my kid brother the "sinner" (underachiever, minor run-ins with the cops)
>in our father's eyes.  (Mom was more equitable).   Although I played
>my role to perfection, deep down I was very disturbed by our father's
>favoritism of me.  After all, I loved my brother and realized he 
>often got criticized and had his achievments ignored.  
...
>Now we're both grown and my brother is still somewhat warped
>from the lack of paternal support and I find I don't respect
>my dad as much for what he did to my brother.


I found this article fascinating, because in my family, we had the
opposite situation.  (My oldest sibling, a brother, was the "sinner"
but got away with murder, because he was the oldest and the only boy.
My older sister was the "saint" and was barely noticed (until her
late teens) by my mother.)  My twin and I had a very interesting
dynamic with my mother.  Just for the record, I was the "good twin"
and she was the "evil twin" :-).  My mother was so careful to avoid
negative comparisons between us that she largely ignored Michele's
bad grades and behavior.  Unfortunately, she also thought that
being fair meant ignoring all of my accomplishments.  So, for
example, in my senior year of high school, when I was named MVP of 
both the basketball and volleyball teams, she merely said "That's nice."  
In her zeal to treat her twins "fairly" she ended up practically
absenting herself from our lives!  

By high school of course, Michele and I had worked out any sibling 
rivalry and we were supportive of each others' accomplishments and
goals.  Neither of us harbor any resentment or anger towards my
mother because frankly, what's done is done.  I think we're both
stronger for our experience because we learned early on to do things
for ourselves, and to do things to please ourselves, since there's
no guarantee you'll please anyone else.

My mother treated my twin and I as if we were opposite sides of the
same coin.  One thing I hope I learned from my experience is to treat 
kids as individuals, deserving of attention and respect, regardless of
how well they live up to our (sometimes misguided) expectations.

Just another data point...
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Keywords: not always
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:20:34 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> kerry@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley) writes:
>> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>> In fact, I would find it
>>"strange" for a new mother not to breast feed or attempt it.
>
>GOOD ON YOU!! 8-)  That's the attitude that you need to succeed

I was at Toys R Us last night to buy bottles and nipples for storing
breastmilk.  There were two young women there (about 18, I would
guess) looking at the bottles as well.  I asked "whose baby?"  It
turned out that one of them was pregnant.  She asked me "What kind of
bottles do you use?"  I explained that I was nursing, and was buying
bottles so I could pump once I go back to work :-(

I asked her about breastfeeding, and her response: "It's embarrassing,
you know, to have a baby there".  We talked for a while, and although
her friend said she'd talk her into at least trying breastfeeding,
it was pretty clear to me that even if she tried, she wouldn't have
the commitment it takes to get through those first weeks.

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: God's family values
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:24:58 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug12.080827.2748@oracle.us.oracle.com>, kwee@oracle.uucp 
(Karl Wee) writes:
> I don't see anything wrong with expressing Christian views on this net.  
This
> per se dosn't mean anyone has to listen to such views.  If I remember
> correctly, someone (I forgot his name, let's call him X) said that
> expressing Christian views means that somehow other religions are "wrong" or
> "worse" -- of course you're right.  Do you expect a Christian to believe
> that all religions are equal?  

It doesn't matter what you believe, or what opinions you give.  But to tell 
me that everyone should follow your beliefs is the crux of this problem.
> 
> It is a logical contradiction to believe that all persons have the right
> to choose/create religions and moral beliefs on the one hand, but that
> to say that one set of values is supreme, on the other
> hand, is wrong.  The latter is nothing more than a particular belief which
> is as worthy of respect as any other, according to the rest of X's beliefs.

Bulloney.  That is a wonderful way to delude yourself.  Attempting to "prove" 
or "show" that one BELIEF is supreme over another, when there is absolutely 
no method by which to prove or show that, is insulting to each and every 
person who does not believe the way that you do.
> 
> To say that Christianity is supreme doesn't force or automatically
> convert anybody into it, and that's all I personally care about.

But it is arrogance at its height.  
>  
> The other side of the coin: X's beliefs in religious and moral freedom
> is nothing more than a particular belief either.  It has, therefore, no
> right, even in his own eyes, to be held up as a "higher" or objective
> truth with which to criticize the Christian who was expressing his/her
> views on the absolute supremacy of Christianity.

Wrong again.  The constitution of the United States of America mandates that 
this country is one of religious and moral freedom.  It is the governing 
document by which all are supposed to adhere.  Whether it is a "truth" or not 
is irrelevant.
> 
> My problem with X is not a result of any religious or moral
> differences but because of his logical flaw.  It's time to look at
> these contradictions in the religion of relativism for what they really
> are.

Non sequitur, and straw argument.
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Need ideas for storing, transporting...
Date: 20 Aug 1992 09:04:59 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT)

I breast fed for 6.5 months, and in the heat of the summer, while
working full time.  I placed the milk in disposable bottles, 1/2 full,
and used a twist tie.  Placed them in a tupperware container made for
the frig door, it fit nicely in my briefcase (ladies style, always
upright).  I kept it in the frig at work until time to go home, then I
would place a few ice cubes and a touch of water in the bottom and go
home.

My old office mate said his wife used a Thermos., using the disp.
bottles too)  Storing it in the frig all day kept it cool enough for
transporting.

Good luck,
-Shirl
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 12:15:42 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to have a smarter baby?

i agree that this stuff is a waste of money.  i read the title
of the thread and thought "smarter than what?"  best way to end up
with a kid that at least SOUNDS smart, imho, is to talk to her like
an adult, and not trim your vocabulary into baby talk.  worked
with katy, but then she is the only child in an academic household!  B)

                                               -ailsa
From: dudding@sallyride.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: How about changing 'difficult' to 'challenging' ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:40:52 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

My son went through a difficult period when he entered kindergarten, and I
took a parenting course (similar to STEP).  At the first class, the facilitator
asked us to describe our family and our challenging child, the one who had
brought us to our knees and prompted us to take the class.  I found the term 
'challenging' much nicer than 'difficult'.

I also have a challenging nephew who has a perfect older sister.  
For me, they're both very enjoyable kids in their different ways.  He's always
had a special place in my heart since his visit to our house when he was 4.
They lived 700 miles away and he only had 2 stuffed animals with him.  But
he offered one to my son when they went to bed.  I thought this was really
generous.   Anyways, his parents have trouble dealing with him, just like
all the recent posts about the good kid and bad kid.  At least calling him
challenging is more positive than labelling him difficult.

As always, IMHO YMMV.  I realize some of you may think this is merely a matter
of semantics.  That's fine but there's NO need to tell me this. 
(i.e. no flames, please)

-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes about breast-feeding
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:55:17 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch) writes:
>In article <19361@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
(Concerning preparing nipples for breastfeeding by light scrubbing with
loufa or towel)
>>And, I've heard
>>mixed things on its success. Women have prepared and still had to deal with
>>cracked nipples.

>True, but like Julie, I had no problems the time I prepared, and I did have
>those kinds of problems with the baby I didn't do any preparation for.  Just
>another data point.

And another one: I DID have trouble with cracked nipples with the baby
I did preparation for (rubbing with a wet washcloth in the shower for
30 seconds a day), and no trouble (yet :-) with the baby I didn't prepare
tham for.  I think it depends more on the baby and his/her style of
sucking.  Brad was a very vigourous nurser, who nursed for 15-20 minutes
per side per feeding.  Carrie is a very gentle, efficient nurser, who
nurses for less than five minutes a side most feedings. (And still weighs
about 14 pounds at two months old!)

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, two years, and Carrie, two months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: 'Compulsive' singing a sign of ??
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:34:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.215207.10991@EE.Stanford.EDU>
quinn@EE-CF.Stanford.EDU (Christine A. Quinn) writes:
>My six-year-old son has been singing a lot lately - not exactly
>singing, more like humming with the mouth open - and it's starting
>to get on my and my husband's nerves...
 
  Do as my kids' teachers do at school (kids are toddler and
preschooler), insist that he 'use words'.  The teachers say this
when the kids scream and cry - to get them to explain in words what
they want.
  In your son's case, it might make it easier for you and your husband
to listen to 'songs' instead of open-mouthed humming.  And if your son
has to think about putting words to the music, he might be a little less
compulsive about it.
  Sounds like a very 'musical' kid - lucky you to have a son who 'practices'
piano without being chained to the bench!
 
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Axial vs rectal (was Ear Thermometers)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 12:02:40 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

-> I was so happy to be told to take the temperature under the arm, and then 
-> to take the rectal temperature only if the temperature under the arm is 
-> over 97.6 degrees fahrenheit. I can take his temperature under the arm at 

Hmmmmm....my kids have never had their temperature taken rectally, no
matter what it was, including the strep-throat-with-106.2-degree-
temperature episode.  Not at home, not in the Dr.'s office, not in
the emergency room (the strep incident).  In the ER the triage nurse
took Corwin's temperature with the ear thermometer, but afterwards he
was monitored with a digital thermometer under the arm.

-> They told us at the hospital where Will was born that 97.6 axillary 
-> corresponds to 98.6 orally or 99.6 rectally, by the way.

This corresponds to what I've been told.

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
From: dani@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Danielle Cohen)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 22:11:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Survey- Toys & Pacifiers
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In misc.kids, uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt) writes:


    I'd like to do a survey. If you would e-mail me your answers, I'll
    summerize for the rest of the readers.

    1. How old is your child/children?

          11 months.

    2. What are their top 5 favorite toys?

          Small rubber ball. Sm. rubber Seal Pup.  Liquid and sparkle
	  filled "magic" wand.  See 'n Say (Farm Animals).  "Food" Chunky book.


    3. Does your baby use a pacifier? Or thumb? Or neither?

	  Pacifier, in the crib only.

    4. What kind of pacifier does your baby use?

	  The kind that comes two together in the clear plastic carrier.
	  Nuk?  maybe.

    5. At what age did they stop using either of the above?
From: jane@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Monitor recommendations
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:25:23 GMT
Reply-To: jane@essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <2133@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>uninterrupted rest, we will probably need a baby monitor until
>Miranda is 3 or 4.)

Apart from using our monitor as normal for the baby, I also use it
for the older 2 (ages 4 & 6) when they are playing in their room,
particularly when they have friends in to play.  That way, I can
hear when the atmosphere changes and get upstairs to stop fights
before they happen. 

Mind you, the kids haven't worked out why I know they're fighting
yet - they think I'm all powerful, hee hee.
From: gorman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne-Marie K. Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts & happy close-spacing stories
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:46:17 GMT
Organization: UB


Sorry I can't guarantee that baby #2 will be placid and cheerful  ;-)

My mother had 3 babies in less than 3 years; my mother-in-law had 7,
including at one point five children aged 7 or less.  I don't think
they thought about whether to have more than one or not (I mean, they
knew in advance that they wanted more than one).  As far as the work
goes, they say you just take it as it comes & figure out, almost
without noticing, ways to cope.

My sisters and I were (and are) very close.  Even during the more
quarrelsome periods, we played together a lot, especially make-believe
games.  My youngest sister and I, with the middle one to link us, were
much closer as children than my husband and his brother, who are
teh same age difference.


Anne-Marie
who believes in close spacing--say about 5 minutes.
-- 
==============================================================================
Anne-Marie K. Gorman          Sophie and Teresa are 7 months old and crawling!
Human factors/ergonomics      Time flies twice as fast when you're having
University at Buffalo         twice as much fun.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Toddler table/chair recommendations
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:54:23 GMT

In article <92232.095359CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Everyone was so helpful with their suggestions for gifts for young boys,
>that I thought I would come to the well one more time.
>
>We are considering buying a small table and chair set for Doug for
>Christmas.  I have seen the plastic Little Tyke sets, the set in the Right
>Start catalog with the top that can open up for sand/water play, and the
>wood set in the Natural Baby catalog.
>
>Have other parents been happy with the plastic sets, or is wood the way to
>go?  I'm inclined to get separate chairs, rather than an attached bench
>type.  Are there other sets that parents would recommend?  I'm probably
>leaning toward the wood set, but I wonder if it is worth ~$300 for a table
>and 2 chairs.

When I was looking for a table for Jeffrey, I was rather frustrated with
the selection. They are all so small. I wanted one that could eventually
be used for projects, and give a child room to spread out. I ended up at
an education supply store, and bought a 2'x4' table, with two sturdy
plastic chairs (with metal legs). I could have bought even a bigger table,
but his bedroom isnt that big. Since the store was on the other side of
town, I decided to opt for delivery. Delivery, tax, and table and chairs
cmae to about $195. The table has adjustable legs, and will see years of use.
I will just need to buy new chairs as he grows. The chairs were about $20 each.

It is incredibly sturdy, and will probably end up as a computer table or
something like that. An extra bonus for us is that this table is designed
for the school room, and has a steel beam bolted lengthwise on the underside
of the table. It is obviously there for earthquake protection, and it is
where both Jeffrey and I went during the big quakes a few months ago.

I bought it from Lakeshore, and they have a catalogue, but unless there is a
store close by, it would probably cost too much to ship.

We also have a Fisher-Price picnic table in the back yard, and is a good
size, and also adjustable. Grandma has the smaller Little Tyke set, and
a smaller picnic table. Picnic tables are nice for outdoors, but I prefer
the other type for indoors.

Laura Floom



>
>Chris Himes


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Subject: Rewards (Was: Re: Mischievous Child (3 YO))
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:11:14 GMT

I just read J.L. Tyrer's post describing her how she will reward 
Mitchell for cleaning his room: 3 stickers = 1 Batman toy and
10 stickers = Crashing Dummies (or something like that). Now I
have a question:

When do you reward a child, and when do you simply expect them
to do it because you want them to do it?

I am very new at this positive discipline and rewards game, as my
daughter is only 18 months old. I give her a lot of positive feedback
for behavior I want to encourage. (She picks up her toys without my
asking at 18 months! You can rent her once in a while if you want ;>)
But my positive feedback consists of praise, smiles, hugs, kisses.

Do you feel that it's necessary to offer a reward for positive
behavior, or is it that you're turning a request you're not crazy
about ("I want Crash Dummies") into a chance to work on some
behavior of his?

I am all for "Discipline Without Yelling or Spanking," as one book
title puts it. And I also like the idea of fostering behavior you want
in a positive way. So could people explain how rewards such as new
toys fit in this picture? 

And let me tack this on: Thanks to whoever recommended Faber and Mazlish's
books. I am reading "How to Listen So Kids Will Talk and Talk So Kids
Will Listen" and am really enjoying it. Now all I need is a kid who
can talk!

Inquiringly yours,
Janine Schenone
janines@novell.com
From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Stupid potty training question
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:28:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.6667
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


We trained Brian to go sitting down.  About a year ago (he just turned 6),
he decided to go standing up.  We didn't make a fuss about it either
way.
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"On the contrary, I have created a subroutine specifically
for you, a program within a program" - Data