From: ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song)
Subject: Re: open letter/Dwight/apologies
Organization: THE WORLD
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:49:33 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Aug25141928@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
>Subject: Re: open letter/Dwight/apologies
>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:19:28 GMT

>In article <ges.19.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:

>   Perhaps Dwight wants a collective apology. All of us know that both
>   the Chinese and the Japanese have misbehaved in the past. They should
>   both applogise. Unfortunately, I don't think a Chinese apology would mean
>   anything. They chinese have misbehaved in the past and they are still 
>   misbehaving now. I happen to know a few Burmese (Mynmar) students and a 
>   Burmese university academic. They told me how the chinese were suplying arms
>   to burma and denying to the rest of the world that this was happening. An 
>   apology would from the chinese would not mean anything. They may apologize
>   -if they felt that this suited them- and carry on misbehaving as they always 
>   had. Another chinaman once told me that "the only thing straight about a 
>   chinaman is his hair .... even then a lot of chinamen want it curled." 

>Well, I'm ethnically Chinese and a Singaporean by nationality.  And I DON'T
>want my hair curled!!  Oh, and I'm heterosexual, too, just in case your
>definition of "straight" has other connotations.  Jeez.

I was merely quoting someone else. That means the words are not mine ;-)

>   I don't know if this is cultural or genitic but it seems that where ever you
>   see a lot of chinamen together in one place, it becomes a reciepe for 
>   disaster. (traids, extortion, .. etc). I read recently how Madonna got into
>   trouble with the triads in Hong Kong. 

>Oh, I see.  I guess you've never heard of La Cosa Nostra, eh?  Nor the Yakuza,
>I take it?  Those US prosecutors must be hallucinating.  Of course, in your
>eyes, John Gotti is "just another businessman victimised by the State" and
>there are no such things as the Genovese (sp?), Colombo and other crime
>families.  Nor are there any criminals in Medellin, Columbia either, I bet.

I have heard of all of them and more. You will notice that a significant 
majority of people where these groups originate don't like them. In coutries
like Germany, the past is an embarrasement. Is all this the same in oriental
coutries? Bear in mind that the tian mein riots were only a drop in the 
ocean. It appears that most of the protestors were protesting for just for 
the sake of protesting. The called it protesting for democracy but there was
no collective idea what that meant.

>   Singapore, which has a chinese majority, - and the government there wants to 
>   keep it that way by a combination of its official policies and propoganda 
>   disguised as "citizen education" through the government controlled tv 
>   station - understands the pre-disposition of the chinese people towards 
>   deviant behaviour. That is whythere are such draconian laws in Singapore. I 
>   am not saying that all chinesetend to misbehave. Unfortunately, it seems 
>   that many are pre-disposed towards it. It seems to be -to put it loosely- a 
>   statistical norm. I can't comment about the Japanese because I know very few 
>   of them. However, I am very well placed to comment about the Chinese. (for 
>   obvious reasons which may be apparent to some)

>Admittedly, Singapore is a very controlled country.  However, the crime rate is
>pretty low there.  If, by your logic, less draconian laws indicate a lower
>predisposition of the population towards "deviant behaviour," why is the crime
>rate so astronomical here in the United States?   

>   The point I am trying to get across is that a chinese apology is not worth
>   getting since it is not going to mean anything.

>Oh good. Because you're definitely not getting one from me.

I didn't ask for one.

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