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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Education
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 09:16:58 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message < 5 Jan 93  11:57:38> to <All> about <Computer Education>,
Ron Decanio wrote:

 RD> We would like to learn some information about Computer Related topics
 RD> from someone.  We are three juniors at Sarasota High School.  We are
 RD> working on a  telecommunications project for class.  We would like to
 RD> here a reply A.S.A.P.  or we will fail and our lives will be a living
 RD> hell.  

Ron,
There are many monitoring this echo who have a great deal of expertise in
the area of computers.  I am sure that most would be pleased to respond to
your pleas if you could ask questions of a SPECIFIC nature!

For example you might ask questions about how various people use computers
or how people learn about this technology and its applications...and so on.

Hope this helps and that you can soon trade in your pitchfork for a harp!

Regards,
Steve Larson  (K12net Zone 1 Computer Literacy Moderator)

... Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.

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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: WINDOWS 3.1 AND COMMUNICA
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 13:50:09 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

I have both Procomm for Windows and for Dos but I like the Dos version 
better.  I rarely use the Windows version but have to admit I have not opened 
the manual.  It works okay but the Dos version seems to fill all my needs. 
Perhaps if I figured out how to have macros in the Windows version I would 
use it more.  For my money, the upgrade to Windows version was a waste.


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From: Brian.Lovik@f33.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Brian Lovik)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Education
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 18:21:16 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/33 - Tulare County Schoo, Visalia CA

-> We would like to learn some information about Computer Related topics
-> someone.  We are three juniors at Sarasota High School.  We are worki
-> telecommunications project for class.  We would like to here a reply
-> or we will fail and our lives will be a living hell.
 
Can you be a little more specific?



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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Integrade
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 07:33:11 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

it is trivial to ad MAC's to either a UNIX network or a Novell DOS 
network... nothing to it... just read the instructions and any fool 
administrator can do it... ask your local system administrator ... 
they should be able to read the novell books and have it up within 
a couple days at the most...
 
personnally i think it is NOT especially wise to school people on 
MAC... too easy and they learn too little of the underlying operations 
of the operating systemn logic etc... more useful that they learn 
on DOS or UNIX and if they want MAC then they can go the "lazy and 
happy" route on their own later...
 
David Rahfeldt



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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and Communication progs
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 07:43:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR




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From: Carol.Nauss@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Nauss)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: SURVEY
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 22:06:26 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Timothy...:)  I use the following Word Perfect 5.1, Microsoft Works for a 
spread sheet, Ami Pro for publishing as well as By Design with Word Perfect, 
Alpha4 for a data base, C+ for programming, Procomm for telecommunication and 
Dos as an operating system. All of these at home in school Commodore 64's 
only at the present time.  Carol

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From: Linda.Bush@f58.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Bush)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: School Project reply
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:41:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/58 - REGENCY DATA, Littleton CO

Hi, R, T and A!  My name is Linda and I work at Highlands Ranch High 
School as a Computer Technology Aide.  I trouble shoot any computer 
problems that arise throughout our building, maintain inventory of our 
computer hardware and software collection and supervise open lab time 
after school hours.  I am 37 and have 3 kids of my own and have been 
working here for 4 years.  We use Microsoft Works, Hypercard, 
Pagemaker, Type and Pascal as our primary teaching programs. We have 
multimedia capabilities here for the kids to use and I find that most 
interesting to get them excited about using that.  We digitize sound 
and video and scan pictures to incorporate into Hypercard stacks.  If 
there is anything else I can help you with let me know.  Nice to talk 
to you and good luck with your project.  One more thing worth 
mentioning is that we have used K12Net for our foreign language classes 
to practice writing and reading in that language to other students.  
See ya!  Linda Bush, Highlands Ranch, CO (suburb of Denver) My good 
friends and neighbors are from Florida!


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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and Communication progs
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 19:55:22 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message < 3 Jan 93 07:43:31> to <Mike Lastucka> about <Re: Windows 3.1 and Communication progs>,
David Rahfeldt wrote:
 DR> Make sure that you are using DOS 5.0 or later
 DR> Make sure that you are using a properly installed version of Win 3.1
 DR> 
 DR> Throw out micro-link
 DR> 
 DR> get Procomm Plus for Windows ($89 Egghead)

Gee, Dave!  You must be extremely wealthy to be able to throw out software!
:-)

I am currently using Telix (not for Windows) inside Windows on a 386-33 and
it operates fine in the background uploading and downloading mail and files
while I am running two other applications:  WordPerfect 5.1 (not for
Windows) and InteGrade (my marks program...also NOT for Windows).

I have a copy of Procomm Plus (NOT for Windows) but prefer Telix (which can
be registered for $45.00) because of its superior flexibility.  However, I
have heard that the Windows vers. of Procomm is far superior to its DOS
predecessor.  I just can't afford it at the moment...and I'm getting tired
of paying money for software upgrades.  I suspect that I'm becoming a
curmudgeon in this regard.  If I can do what I need to do with my current
software, I am going to turn down upgrade opportunities/offers until such
time as I am unable to get my software to do what needs to be done.

Regards,
Steve

... My computer NEVER loc

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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Desktop Publishing Project
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 07:42:05 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

First suggest _ get rid of wordperfect and talk MicroSot into giving 
your word for Windows
 
just a thought...
 



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From: Becky.Ferreira@p0.f126.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Becky Ferreira)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Desktop Publishing Project
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 12:14:45 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:137/126.0 - Global Vision, Sarasota FL

Knock, Knock, Hello?  Is anybody out there?  Can you hear me?  I'm 
trapped in this computer, please help me?  The only way I can get out of 
this computer is if you help me with my desktop publishing project.  If 
you have any information please respond so I can be free at last.

Thanks, Becky



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From: Carol.Nauss@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Nauss)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: DESKTOP PUBLISHING PROJECT
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 20:40:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Becky...:)  Help would be more available if we knew what you needed.  What 
type of problem are you having?  Carol

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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Virtual Realities, Virtual Communities, and Informal Science Educat
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 07:46:08 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

Who is responsible for development efforts ont he MUSE and how do 
I reach them by telephone or fax as well as internet?
 
Thanks
 
David Rahfeldt



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From: Alex.Kilpatrick@f287.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Alex Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Volume Control
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:07:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:110/287 - Electric Dreams, Huber Hts OH

AB>   This may sound unusual, but does anyone have a fix for a PC that
AB>does NOT come equipped with a volume control? Sound Blaster does not disable
AB>the PC speaker. I called Creative Labs and they informed me that there is a
AB>way to connect a couple of wires from the motherboard to the Sound Blaster
AB>card but not really recommended, plus the fact that the computer is under
AB>warranty. I am a late night user and would appreciate any suggestions. I
AB>purchased the Sound Blaster specifically for that reason, but to no avail.
AB>The computer was purchased unbeknown that there was no volume control.
AB>                                                           Art

A simple solution would be to wire a switch in series with one of your
speaker wires.  A simple on/off switch is all that would be needed.
This wouldn't be a 'volume control', but it would allow you to disable
the speaker for those late night game sessions... :).  I think most PC's
(clones) don't come equipped with a volume control, although that would
certainly be a welcome addition.  Bear in mind that most clones are
assembled from different manufacturer's parts.  The PC case is one area
where a lot of them like to save money.

There may be a TSR that disables the PC speaker, but I haven't seen one.
If nothing else, you could put a pillow in front of the speaker -- that
helps quite a bit.

ak









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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Desktop Publishing Project
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 19:15:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message < 3 Jan 93 07:42:05> to <Steve Larson> about <Re: Desktop Publishing Project>,
David Rahfeldt wrote:

 DR> First suggest _ get rid of wordperfect and talk MicroSot into giving
 DR> your word for Windows 
 DR> just a thought...

Huh?
I can't even RUN Windows on my equipment, let alone afford it!
I'm sure that Bill Gates got to where he is by giving software away! :-)

Regards,
Steve

... How do I set my Laserprinter to "Stun"?

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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: WINDOWS 3.1 AND COMMUNICA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:17:32 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

I may change my mind on PCPLUS for Windows?  The thing I hate about it is 
that I've lost my macros for signon to BBS's.  It's just such a pain to have 
to type in your name and password  each time. I will buy the next version 
because they almost had it right this time in my book.  All those buttons are 
pretty but I need macros.  Next step is to read the manual, I guess! 
Desperation..


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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Volume Control
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 09:29:11 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message < 6 Jan 93 21:38:50> to <Alex Kilpatrick> about <Re: Volume Control>,
Art Brown wrote:

<< Text deleted >>
 AB> TSR. If you can shut off the speaker within a program, someone
 AB> out there must have a solution to control the speaker from the
 AB> keyboard. It really bothers me because you spend hard earned
<< Text deleted >>
 AB> Well, anyway, live and learn. Thanks again for your info. I'll
 AB> keep looking for that TSR.

Art,
Would you let me know if you happen to dig up anything on this?  My speaker
is LOUD and I would love to be able to control it, short of wiring in a
volume control switch.

Regards,
Steve

... Murphy is out there ... waiting ...

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From: Emily.Combs@f2030.n391.z1.fidonet.org (Emily Combs)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: MESSAGES
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 22:36:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:391/2030 - Rogers Public Schoo, Rogers AR

Tim, I noticed (1/8/93) that the bulletin board has a different section 
capability, so I am trying it out.  Dad and I thought about calling 
you, however, thought you might be busy tonight.  We are experiencing 
rain with a possibility of freezing.  Talked to Paul tonight.  He was 
telling us about a PO computer snafu he had to untangle with a loss of 
2 files.  He also said that Rebekah sat on his lap during a sermon 
about, provoke not your children to wrath, she turned to her dad and 
said, "See, Dad!"  That is after she would not sound out the word 
money.  They are snug in their new house, and the temp is 40 below.  
Dad called Anna today.  She is not well, neither are the rest of them, 
however she will make it.  Called off school for the rest of the week.  
I am glad the first week of school is over.  My secretary said it had 
been a long week, I said, "Maybe, it is because it is 5 days instead of 
the 4 we had last week."  She laughed and reminded me this was the 
first week back.  Oh!!!  I thought it was kinda long, 9 days at least.  
We hope everything and everyone is well, happy, fixed, and AOK there.  
Also, I hope you get this message.  We will check in a few days and 
see, I sent it through KNet.  Also, I joined a science bulletin board 
and getting info on a gifted/talented education BB.  We love you, Mom.

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From: Ian.Howard@f17.n258.z2.fidonet.org (Ian Howard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Channel 5 - Please read !
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 18:06:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:258/17 - Hollingworth High S, Milnrow

Please read and distribute into your local message areas if appropriate.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

As you may or may not be aware I have been trying to set-up a channel on
K12 for the discussion of the entire K12 network and its ideas.

Channel 5 (K12.CH5) will be open for the discussion of the following
topics from 11-01-93 (11th January) :

 * Discussion of the technical aspects of K12 including how to set up a
   K12 system a school.  Including debate on security problems,
   censorship, and anything else relavent.

 * Chat about the actual K12 areas and network itself and what teachers
   think its use within classrooms.  Hopefully people will put forward
   ideas that could be used to futher the K12 services.  Questions
   answered and general discussion.

 * Students can use the channel to share their views and experiences on
   K12 and put forward any ideas as to the future of K12.

 * What would be the requirements for a comprehensive piece of software
   to be used as a complete K12 package in schools.  What would people
   like to see in this software and which platforms are used.

Those are just a few pointers as to how the channel can be used but I am
more than welcome to listen to other topics concerning K12.

Please take a few minutes to read through the initial messages in the
area which I will post to get the ball rolling.  I hope that as many
people as possible will contribute to the project so that we can get a
wide range of views and experiences.

I look forward to seeing you there!  Look in the projects echo for brief
details - Remember its Channel 5, mail-tag of K12.CH5

Best wishes for 1993.
Ian Howard (2:258/16 and 17)


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From: Bob.Coulter@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Coulter)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: computers & education
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 22:52:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/3 - Nerd's Nook, Rocky River OH

Thanks.  I plan on learning more about K-12 network.  Sounds like a very positive approach.


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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Info on 'Talking Master Mouse Computer'?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 07:47:27 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

I have three kids at home... two of them 3-3.5 years old....
 
They LOVE the PC's and are expert at using the mouse to navigate around.
 
While they can not yet parse text into linguistic components they 
have learned to recognize those words that are visual tokens associated 
with programs that they want to run....
 
they say things like "this is PLAYROOM" and "THIS IS EDITOR" etc... 
and know how to get in and out of the programs in windows...
 
We are using a variety of shareware programs as well as a program 
called "KIDPIX" and one called "PLAYROOM" ( THEY LOVE PLAYROOM!) to 
teach them basics...
 
Colour is a GOOD idea...
 
PC' are So cheap and so versitile I would FIRMLY recommend the purchase 
of a PC over a specialized computer anytime for teaching kids... then 
there is also the benefit of THOUSANDS of shareware and free programs 
for the kids and they learn a useful famialiarity and skills set too..
 
I can send programs if they want...
 
good luck
 
david rahfeldt (phd physics) portland oregon
 



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From: Roger.Baillie@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Roger Baillie)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: WINDOWS 3.1 AND COMMUNICA
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 16:10:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

KM>I have both Procomm for Windows and for Dos but I like the Dos version
KM>better.  I rarely use the Windows version but have to admit I have not
KM>opened the manual.  It works okay but the Dos version seems to fill al
KM>needs.  Perhaps if I figured out how to have macros in the Windows ver
KM>I would use it more.  For my money, the upgrade to Windows version was
KM>waste.
KM>
KM>

Hi Kevin,

        I have used both versions as well, and prefer the Windows version. 
 I think that many of us prefer older versions of software, until we get 
used to using the new ones.  I have written a number of macros for ProWin 
and it has made collecting of mail, as an example, very easy.  I can 
hace ProWin sign on to and collect my messages while working on my word 
processor.  I can also download files in the background, while working on 
something else.  I really enjoy using it.

        Have a Happy New Year, may 1993 bring you happiness.
 


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From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: MAGNET Schools
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:25 MST
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: world
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Keywords: MAGNET Schools
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Hello all,
  I am attempting to obtain as much information or opinions as possible
regarding peoples thoughts on the value of MAGNET schools. Schools that
offer either highly specialized courses or courses which are for one
reason or another, such as limited enrollment at a single school but
high enrollment at a centralized district site, valuable in that context
for providing and filling an overall need within a school district.
  I have run a random in district survey of opinions and I would like
to contrast that with opinions of educators around the country. This
particular MAGNET school services the needs of eleven high schools and
provides courses for not only college bound students but also vocational
and technical training courses. As examples, everything from computer
related courses (data-entry training through business to advanced place-
ment), building trades (general construction through cabinet making),
word-processing (court reporting through advanced word-processing tech-
niques), advanced classical and modern languages (Latin to Hebrew to
Japanese to Spanish to Russian, etc.),  pre-med, A.P. calculus/fortran,
A.P. physics, A.P. chemistry, aviation science, astronomy, an LPN course
which has a high school student qualified for their Licensed Practical
Nursing Certificate upon H.S. graduation, nursing assistant and homebound
aide program, etc.
  This is an important topic for us as we would like to make the program
even better and we need input from all sources to do so. 
  Unfortunately we need to present this Friday; January 15 so any opinions
you could send my way would be appreciated and forwarded on to the appro-
priate people as soon as they are received. If you could EMail to me at
me address below it would help to save a great deal of time but I will
also followup on the conferences.
			Thank you very much for your help in advance,
							Jim Skeba
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