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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:21:19 -0500
From:         Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left To Lose
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Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

    It would appear to me that the soul reason the Germans were criminals
is because the lost.... No one likes a loser.. especially a whole country
full!  No one really `lost' Vietnam, so no one would be tried aside
from those who never made it home! It's not whether it's wrong or right,
that in my opinion is not the issue at all. It is the way nations survive.
They grow nad must consume more to keep growing... that's what they do, that
is what wars are. There are no real criminals in a war apart from the losers

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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:20:05 EST
From:         Dan Tompkins <PERICLES@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidential Dissabilities

Bush's physician connected lefthandedness with aphasia this fall, on
about the same day that another newspaper reported that said physician
drank a lot, hauled female associates onto his lap in public, and
went against the Physician's Desk Reference in prescriptions to the
pres.  A Yale Man.

Dan Tompkins, Classics, Temple U.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:47:00 PST
From:         FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Subject:      Re: "22 November, A Day's Remembrance"
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Lenny,

No way you're going to resurrect Andy Johnson in my eyes.  The man
was a midget politically, and his support of "Black Code" governments
in the South a disgrace.  The Old South leadership read him like
a book, and when they called his bluff, he caved.

-Steve Fox-
History Department
Humboldt State University
Arcata, CA  95521
(707) 826-4788
Internet:  foxs@axe.humboldt.edu
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:45:50 EST
From:         Kevin McDade <CXYB@MCGILLA.BITNET>
Subject:      JFK's disabilities

What's your theory. I'm interested!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:39:32 EST
From: Rich Urban <RJU101@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Grad Programs in S&T


Hello all I'm a new user of this posting.  I am currently an undergraduate
but will be graduating in May of 1993.  I am interested in eventually
attending graduate school.  Any information about programs in the History
and Philosophy of Science and technology would be welcome.  Also are there
any Newsgroups other than this dealing with Hisory or Hist of Sci??Thanks
for your ti me
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From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad
              18 Nov 1992 10:32:00 EST from <DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET>

>Now, as to the substance of the charge: I had in mind
>policies that led to the indiscriminate killing and
>wounding of noncombatants/civilians.

Denis, do you feel that LBJ was aware that the indiscriminate killing
of civilians was taking place?  Do you feel that this is what he wanted?

Lenny
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:21:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: NAS

In my more cynical moments, I ask myself whether the NAS
exists so that Steve Balch can be on leave (and thus
not have to mark papers) and get to travel around the
country, rack up frequent flier miles, and get to
meet interesting people.

The local NAS people in South Carolina made a big
pitch about opposing political correctness in the
classroom, but it turns out that in practice
they oppose the expression of views that they
disagree with.

The NAS makes some important points. It is quite
clear that in some circles, in some Women's Studies
and Afro-American Studies departments/centers, one
must toe the correct political line. It also is
clear that some liberal/left-wing professors
use their classrooms as bully pulpits.

However, as is so often the case (with academics? with
humans?) they go overboard, exaggerate, and see
PC everywhere. Moreover, ultra right-wingers of the
Accuracy in Academia sort use the NAS and the PC
debate to impose their own brand of PC.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:02:53 EST
From:         Tom <RICKS@VILLVM.BITNET>

Steve: Yes, I have not only heard of the Sons but also am a member. I will get
the national headquarter's address from our Post 1 commander,ie, PA 28th, Co. C
Anna Marie Ross Camp.

Check your e-mail on Thursday, Nov. 19.


      Tom
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:24:59 EDT
From:         Dale Lally <DLALLY@STLAWU.BITNET>
Subject:      German-American history of the Ohio Valley

I have just completed a translation of a German-American history of the
Ohio Valley, first  published in 1864.  It has very extensive indices of
family names, placenames and publications.  If anyone is interested, send
private e-mail.


Cordially

Dale V Lally Jr, Director
Carnegie Language Center
St. Lawrence University
Canton NY 13617
(315) 379 5857 VOICE
(315) 379 5989 FAX
DLALLY@STLAWU  BITNET
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:13:13 MST
From:         ICJME@ASUACAD.BITNET
Subject:      A reply to J. Emmons on Nixon ...

Greetings and Salutations
I think you hit the nail on the head about Reagan and Bush: tweedle-dee and
tweedle-dum! <loud guffaw> I also think that many truths about the period of
the 1960s to 1974 will be clouded under the Nixon umbrella for the next few
generations - he so affected American political life and conditions. He is
frequently seen as the best/worst thing that happened during that time. Maybe
our grandchildren? All of the "objective" writing I have seen has had an
obvious ulterior motive.

|---------------|
|Jim Emmons     |  The lion and the lamb may lie down together,
|<icjme@asuacad>|  but
|---------------|  the lamb won't get much sleep.
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From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: Grad Programs in S&T
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:56:23 GMT

hopos-l@ukcc.bitnet is a list dedicated to the history of the
philosphy of science.


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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:59:04 -0400
From:         WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      Presidential Dissabilities

From personal experience I can guess that the left handed Presidents, Reagzn, Bu
   sh and Clinton to name a few, probably all experience mild dyslexia.

Salut
Giuliano Valentino
Dalhousie U WANNAKER@DAL1
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From:         Ed Haupt <haupt@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Lefthandedness
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There is an old, recently re-established, connection between leftl-handed-
ness and mirror writings.  Righties, like me, apparently can't do it.
Edward J. Haupt
snail:                                    voice: 1(201) 893-4327
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Montclair State College                  bitnet: haupt@njin
1 Normal Ave.
Upper Montclair, NJ 07043-1624
                      USA
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:47:33 -0600
From:         drummond andrew <adrummon@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Marechal de Saxe
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I've pulled my material out of Phillips, T., _Roots of Strategy_, reprinted
by Greenwood Press in 1982.  Phillips translated de Saxe's "Reveries on the
Art of War".  In the introduction to the translation, Phillips has this to
say:
     "For the general, Saxe has high ideals.  He [the general] should possess
a talent for improvisation.  His plans should be complete and meticulous, his
orders short and simple, but on the day of battle he should be occupied with
nothing but the conduct of the action.  "Thus, on the day of battle, I want the
general to do nothing.  Many commanding generals only spend their time on the
day of battle making their troops march in a straight line, in seeing that they
keep their proper distances, and in running about incessantly themselves.  In
short, they try to do everything and as a result, do nothing.  They appear to
me like men with their heads turned, who no longer see anything, and who are
 only
[My typing error: it should read "only are"] able to do what they have done
all their lives, which is to conduct troops methodically under the orders of
a commander."  What is the cause of this?  It is because few men concern
themselves with the higher problems of war. [another oops: everything after
the
question mark is a quote by Phillips from de Saxe.  but to resume:]  "It is
because few men occupy themselves with the higher problems of war.  They pass
their lives drilling troops and believe that this is the only branch of the
military art.  When they arrive at the command of armies, they are totally
ignorant, and in default of knowing what should be done, they do what they
know.""
This quote is from pp. 186-7 of Phillip's book.  The passage by de Saxe is
found in de Saxe's section on "The general commanding", pp. 294-97, in a
longer form with examples.  Concerning de Saxe in general, his writings on
military matters show a great fondness for the Roman legions, their discipline,
and, in general, their successes.  His fondness for things Roman is not
uncharacteristic of military writings in general from the time of Machiavelli
until the time of Napoleon, not much later than de Saxe's own time.  In some
respects, de Saxe was a forward-looking thinker on the art of warfare, but he
also favored returning a large number of pikemen to army formations in the
mid 18th century, which was rather odd.

Overall, de Saxe's notions of "war" were not far removed from Napoleon's notion
in that both emphasized the importance of morale in battle.  More specifically,
both argued that war was won by defeating the enemy mentally.

Andrew Drummond
Dept. of History
University of Illinois.
<adrummon@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:09:00 PST
From:         FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Theodore Roosevelt
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Dick Marti:

Edmund Morris, journalist in NYC, I believe, wrote an EXCELLENT bio
of Teddy.

-Steve Fox-
History Department
Humboldt State University
Arcata, CA  95521
(707) 826-4788
Internet:  foxs@axe.humboldt.edu
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:37:07 EST
From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC

     Actually, we are getting some basic elements of an epic. They're
coming to our children in the early years of school. (Here's a reference
back to our earlier discussion of history and mythology in schools!) I
call your attention to the "First Thanksgiving;" to Washington and the
cherry tree and the coin over the Rappahannock and the kneeling prayer
in the snows of Valley Forge; to Lincoln walking so far to return
overpaid money or borrowed books; to Teddy Roosevelt on San Juan Hill;
down here in the South, to the ubiquitous Gallant and Noble Defender of
the South, whose statue adorns nearly every rural county courthouse
square in the region; to the saintly Robert E. Lee; to the profane but
righteous George Patton; perhaps soon to the courageous Harriet Tubman.
The raw material is being formed before our eyes. It is being formed
from myth, not history. And it awaits only a skilled auteur in an
appropriate medium to be made ready for dissemination in schools and
at dinner tables, in churches and in Scout troops, in theaters and on
playgrounds, and thence into the very marrow of tomorrow's cultural
memory.
     This refers back to our previous discussion of heroes too.
     Sort of scary, isn't it?

Tom Powers
The University of South Carolina at Sumter
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From:         dave pretty <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Presidents, Wars and Crimes
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(Note: New subject line for those who need them.)

Henry van Cleef raised the invasion of Vichy North Africa as a comparison for
U.S. bombing of Laos in regards to acts of war against third parties.
     The problem is, first, that no one outside the Axis, as far as I remember,
regarded the Vichy regime as the legitimate to the Third Republic. While full
recognition was withheld from De Gaulle's Free French, the Brits, at least,
used them to justify their seizure of Madagascar and other places earlier.
     Even if Petain's government could be regarded as legitimate, it was a
party to a separate peace, undertaken without consultation or the approval of
its allies. It could thus still be regarded as a belligerent party in a war
declared with all the usual legal niceties.
      This cannot at all be said about the U.S. in Indochina.

                           blomberg cepeda    st402747@brownvm
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From:         Steven H Silver <SHSILVER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Net Etiquette

Could people please include their name and e-mail address on future
correspondence?  When I receive a message on history, it only includes a
line denoting it as coming from the History mailer, the subject line and
the date.  Many of the messages seem to be coming in anonymously.  It would
also be nice to be able to respond privately to some messages instead of
bothering the entire net.  It doesn't take much longer to add a name and
address at the bottom of the note.

Steven H Silver               |         "When I get a little money, I
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:36:16 -0700
From:         "Frederick the Great" <J_CAUSEY@CCNODE.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My posting about German fascist strife.
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        Many people have pointed out that I should have replied privately.
My apologies to everyone; I merely got pissed off and lost my cool.  Sixteen-
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        Jim Causey
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From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC
              16 Nov 1992 11:32:00 EST from <DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET>

Penicillin is an entirely British creature.

Lenny
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FROM:  Dan Galvin

Thanks for sending the quote.  I can vouch for the thought behind it.

 .....................Daniel L. Galvin
 .....................Phone: 845-8448
 .....................CSC Addition (OET) Room 101B
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From:         "Frederick the Great" <J_CAUSEY@CCNODE.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My posting about German fascist strife.
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        Denis, as I said before, my sources suck.  I'm busy enough that I
haven't heard NPR in over a month; my only news sources are an extreme right-
wing newspaper and the ABC Nightly News.  And thanks for the correction.

        Jim Causey
        j_causey@ccnode.colorado.edu
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I am a leftie in all parts of my life ('cept baseball) and most of the lefties I
    know, myself included, have trouble with words and tend to inverse letters w
   hen we are writting,

Salut
Giuliano "Lefties rule" Valentino WANNAKER@DAL1
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From:         Aram Meguerian <JOSELUIZ@UFRJVMS1.BITNET>
Subject:      Unsubscribe, please

        To the listowner,

        I'm subscribed in this list by another account and I cannot use this
one anymore. So, I'm receiving the mails of this list but cannot read them.

        I'm writing to you to unsubscribe myself from this old adress while
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        The old adress is :


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        Sorry for all and Thanks in advance.


                            Aram Meguerian.
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From:         George Welling <welling@FREYA.LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      Re: Lefthandedness
              923:52 pm

>
>
>
> Was "Presidential Dissabilities" [sic(k)]
>
> >I am a leftie in all parts of my life ('cept baseball) and most of the leftie
   s
>  I
> >    know, myself included, have trouble with words and tend to inverse letter
   s
>  w
> >   hen we are writting,
> >
> >Giuliano "Lefties rule" Valentino WANNAKER@DAL1
>
> When I write left-handed, it's a mirror image of the way I write
> right-handed.  Anybody else notice this phenomenon?
>
> Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)
>
I once played in a band where the piano-player was a leftie, who had been
forced to write right-handed (which was normal in the Netherlands untill deep
into the fifties), who could write with both hands at the same time. His
left-hand writing was an exact mirror image of his right-hand writing. It was
very funny to see him do it. He was also able to write with both hands on two
different lines in normal writing, doing two sentences at the same time.
He became a very good programmer.
Is there a connection between computer-programming and left-handedness. In our
department the righties are a very small minority, me being one of them.
Playing guitar has made my left hand stronger than my right hand, but I still
cannot write left handed in a way that someone else might be able to read it.
My twins, two girls of three plus year old, have not made up their minds yet
about left or right: when they draw, they use both hands, without favouring
one of them. I wonder when they will make a choice.


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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:13:21 -0600
From:         mlove@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU
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Does anyone have the description for a job at Salem State? Thanks for your
help.

Sharon D. Michalove
Assistant to the Chair for Undergraduate Affairs
Department of History, UIUC
309 Gregory Hall, 810 South Wright Street
Urbana, IL  61801
 217-333-4145
mlove@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu

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See the kitten on the wall/Sporting with the leaves that fall
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