HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:24:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.133259.4201@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <C07q4o.DEA@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>>     Confucianism is a rotten phylosophy, it makes people become whimp.:
>
>	** The land of Chinese territory is like a spoon: 
>	   high on three sides and facing the ocean. It is easy
>	   for barbarians to "flow" into central China from
>	   north, west and south if they are not checked by force.
>
>	   Historically, whenever the central government is weak,
>	   the barbarians envaded in.
          I do  not see that way. Only twice "barbarians" secessfully invaded
      China, which both happened after gun power, and litht cavalry force was
     used(Yuan, Qing).
>
>	   The only reason that China is still China after a number
>	   times of occupation by barbarian is because of the Confusianism.
  China possesedd(stil does) richest land in the world, numerous population
could live on the land. When ever outsiders intruded in, they will be overwelmed the population(dissolved), it did not have any thing to do with Confusianism.
Actually without Confusianism, those outsiders might long be neutralized
when China is not weak. It was not a disirable way to servive for Chinese
to be defeated, and then dissolve others. The argument appeared during
sino-Japanese War, it was used to rationalize defeatism by some Chinese.
   People(Westeners, and their Chinese-converts) tend to demean  China's
ancient violence, or diseas, or famine. It shoudl be put this way in ancient
time in absence of birth control method, low level populathion indicated not
that less birth rate, but high infant motality rate, and low life expantacy
for other parts of the world, people die young there from lack of food,
diseas, animal's eating, etc. It was a bless in ancient times that Chinese can
be killed by War during short period of chaos comparing other parts of the
world, where most people could not live long enough to join the battle.
   Actually morden time, the most violent palce on earth is West Europe, if
you count number of people got killed per square miles.
>	   It is the ultimate weapen to dissolved the enemy.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Korean product boycott in Taiwan
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:03:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.235146.11733@news.yale.edu> lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) writes:
>It doesn't matter whether boycotting korean products is working in
>Taiwan or not. China is a much bigger potential market than taiwan.

Once again, the question was "is the boycott working?"  It's political or
economic impact is out of my interest.  I am just curious to see if any
boycott works or not.  I never saw it working anywhere over a few months.

So, I am wondering how it is progressing in Taiwan.  This question has
nothing to do with the fact that I was born in Korea.  I would have asked
the same question to any country that started a voluntary boycott to
protest something.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: more than 50% support TI
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:59:29 GMT


In article <1992Dec31.223414.8497@cbnews.cb.att.com>, liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes...
>From article <1992Dec31.172515.29414@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, by li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li):
>> 
>> I think "Two Chinas" will be easier than "Republic of Taiwan" to be accepted. 
>> If this is the case, do you have problem accepting "Two China"?
>> 
> 
>A famous sentence in Taiwan politics: "Not quite satisfied but acceptable."
>:)
> 
>Why not quite satisfied? If "two China" is easier, why we need to invent
>a different name every time we try another international organization?
>Why not use ROC all the time? ROC inherently has some problem. However,
>I would have no problem with "pragmatic Two China" if that would be the
>case.

I would define "Two-China" as pragmatic "Two-China". Under this definition,
ROC, Chinese Taipei, Taiwan are all feasible names to use. Visibility is more 
important than just a name for Taiwan for now. At least it does not rule out 
possibility of unification (or independence) but the current definition of 
"Republic of Taiwan" has ruled out possibility of unification. Then the 
reaction from CCP can be very unpredictable and the difficulty to be 
recognized by other nations.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u8023066@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Victor.Liou (CIS))
Subject: xWH
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:14:48 GMT

oa!
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: World Journal
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:24:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.192105.793@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>
>China Times was banned to publish in U.S. after the 1984 Olympic game,
>because China Times reported lots of China athlete's achievement and gave 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>then high praises, in the mean time Taiwan's athletes are totally
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that all?  Looks like a very severe punishiment to me.  I was
expecting something like the Popeye cartoon blunder.

>trashed. BTW, before China Times was banned, Nobody (almost) read WJ.
>China Times is the best newspaper (most neutral) in Taiwan.
>I never liked WJ, just like People's daily, boring.
>                                            ^^^^^^
>Yi-Chieh 

The movie director Lee Han Hsiung is writing a colume in WJ and
recently he is revealing some magic tricks used by Qi Kong 
Masters to prove their supernature power.  Very entertaining.

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u235@rex.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee)
Subject: Re: Where to buy software in Taiwan (Was: How I post articles in Chinese)
Organization: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, OKC
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:41:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.190556.27266%huangyj@Uz.nthu.edu.tw> huangyj@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Yeowell Huang) writes:
>hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec28.003226.20221%ckshih@ne.nthu.edu.tw> ckshih@ne.nthu.edu.tw (Chun-Kuan Shih) writes:
>> >
>> >      ET System is commercially available at about NT$1200 in Taiwan.
>> >							^^^^^^
>
>NT$1200? (US$48)  or  NT$200? (US$8)
>

	Are you blind?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: Election in Taiwan
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:03:07 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <23DEC199214431381@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu> laiichung@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER) writes:
>
> Chen burned himself because KMT try to put him in jail by his publishment of
> Dr. Shu's "proposal of the constitution of R.O.T". Jen burned himself because
> he wanted to protest the incrimination of Chen by KMT and the right wing hard
> line fascists like you and the supression of freedom speech.
>

Well, you had better explain what you mean clearly in order to save you
from legal trouble by accusing me of right wing hard line fascists.


>                                                             I Chung Lai


-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: Question about ROC's government structure
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:24:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.173212.22250@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>Executive
>Judicial
>Legislative

this is Yaun also providing entertainment. 8)

>Examination-Civil service exams

also some specail exams, such as license exams of lawers, doctors, nurses,
etc.

>Investigative-Check up on everyone

they also check the execution of the national budget.

cs shao.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: more than 50% support TI
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:43:24 GMT


In article <1992Dec31.163230.1413@cbnews.cb.att.com>, liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes...
> 
>I am not so pessimistic as you are. We have brains (Aren't you one of
>them?) and we are seeking a better living. Taiwanese businessmen are
>not so short-sighted as you said. What we need is a leadership from
>the government with a good policy not just protection.

Yes, we should not be short-sighted. But the business world does not seem to 
care. Our government bans the direct trade and investment in China but there 
are still billions of dollars flowing into the Mainland. The money goes to 
where can make more money. The policy will not be a easy one, I think.

>One example, how do we get some radio bands for our own research use
>even though we have our own satellite? Taiwan is not a member in UN
>and almost all of its suborganizations. We even don't have a chance
>to apply for radio bands. Re-enter international society is one of
>the most important keys to our economic reform. Independence is
>a better reason and a better way for us to reach the goal. Whether
>someone can introduce a better reason and a better way?

Most of us want Taiwan return to the UN. But PRC has veto rights it can be
extremely difficult. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Endangered species
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:27:13 GMT

In article <C01Mq0.13Hq@austin.ibm.com> tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>
>Interestingly, someone in Taiwan was also blamed by the animal right
>activitist for raising Tigers in a ranch. Those tigers are neither used for
>entertainment like for zoo or circus, nor for the breeding for the engangered
>tiger species, but for Chinese medical purpose (I can't say Taiwanese medical
>purpose, no U/I please 8-)).

	You should call Rush Limbaugh for his animal right reports.
	He will certainly toy with those animal right activtists with
	his half truth approach in his talk show.

	Seriously though, I think killing animals (whether they are
	endanger species or not) for unnecessary purposes is wrong.

>of endangered species not for commercial purpose. Also, Taiwan can allow
>the breeding of certain highly entertaining animals, like ostrich (or emu),

	Here in New Jersey, I've read that there are ostrich farms aiming
	at meat production; no animal right activists in sight yet :-).

Yung-Kao Hsu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:44:05 GMT

>>>How many TIers are like you? I wish there are many. Nobody would worry about 
>>>a flock of boneless, and homeless political prostitutes.
>>>
>>>Oh, by the way, you know a lot of English bad words. Where did you learn 
>>>them?
>>>Hsi
>>		oh by the way, where in the hell did you come from?
>>		your mother's ass?
>>		i don't want to use bad language or word and there's
>>		no need for you to force me to.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

>      You must come from the ass from other than a human and you mother 
>clean your mouth with a piece of dapper. You know nothing but bad language.
>
	...wasn't it you, not me? :) bad language yourself, boy.
	what's wrong w/ bad language, am i not literate enuf, gees,
	sorry, so you're the one with the better attitude, gosh, i'm
	so so sorry, your honor. u've gotta be joking. u have no
	style at all.
	
>Merry Christmas and never see you again.

	who are you to criticize me anyway, u will see me many more 
	times, ok. no need to flame me back because it is getting
	boring...let's get on with the discussion...

>>	i'm gonna go watch a good old chinese movie:
>> 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Korean product boycott in Taiwan
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:32:09 GMT


I am curious how well the boycott of Korean product is working in Taiwan
these days.  As I recall, there has been several reports on cancellation of
trip to Korea, no customers in Korean car dealers, etc.

From what I observed in Korea (usually against Japanese products), such
emotion based boycott NEVER works.  Within a few months, regardless of the
magnitude and reason of the boycott, it is business as usual.

I am wondering if Taiwanese are any different in this regard.

Sincerely.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: A re-election is supposed to be hold on Hwa-Lian
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:20:49 GMT

From article <1992Dec23.163356.14160@dec8.ncku.edu.tw>, by lws@eembox.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin):
> BIG NEWS!!!!!
> 
>   738 votes of unknown sources were found in Hwa-Lian!!! The questionable
> votes were distributed across 12 different voting places. Hwang Sin-Je, the
> former chairman of DPP, required only 62 more votes to win the election.
> The election on Hwa-Lian is supposed to be declared effectiveless after
> the necessary investigation, since the discovered evidence can effect the
> result of the election significantly . This is the first possible cheat of 
> election found in Taiwan. The goverment said that a whole or partial re-
> election on Hwa-Lian will depend on the judgement from Judiciary. "I am 
> willing to receive any kind of punishment.", the chairman of Hwa-Lian 
> Election Commision said. Many edged losers in the election now suspecting 
> the fairness of the election, and are asking for more re-examing processes 
> of the votes. All Taiwanese/Chinese in this net, could you tell me your 
> feeling about this event. I think that it's apparently a cheat instead of an 
> accident. I had never suspected the fairness of elections in Taiwan since
> the end of Martial Law, but until now.
> 
> WenHsiang Lin
> From Taiwan

I heard that late night yesterday, too. The same feeling as you have.
I never thought this could happen in Taiwan in the 90's until now.

The question is then: Is it just a special case or the same situation
also exists somewhere else?

738 out of some 40 thousand votes. How many would it be out of some
9.4 million votes totally? I really hope it's only a special case.

Nice to see ncku again. I am also from ncku. How is it now? Still much
more conservative than universities in northern Taiwan in terms of
politics?

Heng-Hsin
From: sjtu@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Shu-Ju Tu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Chong1 Guang3 broadcast (Was Re: Excellence, Made in Taiwan)
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:33:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

You really did a very good job!!!

Tu, Shu-Ju  sjtu@physics.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Excellence, Made in Taiwan
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:54:14 GMT

In article <9012@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen) writes:
>P.S.  If anyone is interested in receiving the SW broadcast from Chong1
>      Guang3 (identical programs with those in Taiwan during Taiwan AM 6:00 to
>      AM 9:00), E-mail me and then I'll give you more information.

I'm interested, and I think a lot of netters may be interested too.
Why don't you post it on SCT. I might get a SW radio for myself as
a late Christmas gift.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Traveling in Taiwan
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:07:20 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

3. PaGua moutain, located in ChangHwa county, is the location of a large 
statue of Buddha 22 meters high. It is the largest statue of Buddha in 
the world.

-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Excellence, Made in Taiwan
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:05:30 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
	There is a two pages advertisement in TIME magazine titled
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


"Excellence, Made in Taiwan."  An interesting article. Check it out if you
 are interested in.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim)
Subject: Re: Korean product boycott in Taiwan
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 18:13:14 GMT

phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
: In article <1992Dec25.235146.11733@news.yale.edu> lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) writes:
: >It doesn't matter whether boycotting korean products is working in
: >Taiwan or not. China is a much bigger potential market than taiwan.
: 
: Once again, the question was "is the boycott working?"  It's political or
: economic impact is out of my interest.  I am just curious to see if any
: boycott works or not.  I never saw it working anywhere over a few months.
: 
: So, I am wondering how it is progressing in Taiwan.  This question has
: nothing to do with the fact that I was born in Korea.  I would have asked
: the same question to any country that started a voluntary boycott to
: protest something.
: 
: James Choi

If that's the case, why didn't you post it on soc.culture.taiwan?
-dcl

--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yang@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Subject: Re: more than 50% support TI
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:07:26 GMT

mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:

>In article <BzKwGA.3Ht@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) 
>writes:
>>When "36%" became a "big win", I thought it was less than 50% and minority.
>>I could be wrong. You got to be ready to hear anything when you talk to TIers.

>If we count in those votes to the main stream KMT candidates, such as Chen 
>Jer-Nan, Wu Zee, Lin Yu-Shian, etc, who support "One China, One Taiwan" 
>policy,  more than 50% of Taiwanese have voted for Taiwan Independence.

Is "One China, One Taiwan" equivelent to TI?  I think the idea of "One China, 
One Taiwan" is more moderate than TI.  I guess you can say that most people
in Taiwan do not want to reunify with China.  However, it's not the same as
saying that most people in Taiwan support TI.

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: lws@eembox.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin)
Subject: Re: more than 50% support TI
Organization: National Cheng Kung University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:01:34 GMT

In article <1ha24sINNk3@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:

>In article <BzKwGA.3Ht@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) 
>writes:
>>When "36%" became a "big win", I thought it was less than 50% and minority.
>>I could be wrong. You got to be ready to hear anything when you talk to TIers.

>If we count in those votes to the main stream KMT candidates, such as Chen 
>Jer-Nan, Wu Zee, Lin Yu-Shian, etc, who support "One China, One Taiwan" 
>policy,  more than 50% of Taiwanese have voted for Taiwan Independence.

You are really an optimist. Some people, including I, gave their votes to
DPP just because they wanted to add some more justice and fairness to this
society, nothing to do with TI or Unification. Although I am not against TI,
I don't support TI either. I believe "Time" is the best solution of the
controveral between TI and unification.

WenHsiang Lin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: leus@aix.rpi.edu (Sheua-Wan Leu)
Subject: test
Keywords: taiwan
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:26:01 GMT

This is a test from RPI.
If anyone in Taiwan see this message, please  send me an emali.
I  hope I can have  more information about Tawian.
Thanks for your  time.

Sheua-wan Leu.
Email: leus@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wwang@iastate.edu (Wen-Ping Wang)
Subject: Re: World Journal
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:31:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.145035.21101@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
> .........
>I have never had the chance to read The Independence Weekly Post.
>Care to talk about it?  How about telling us something that is
>not in WJ?  Some in Taiwan accused that United Daily is the 
>speaker (RD?) for CCP and WJ didn't mention about it at all.  
>What did TIWP say on this one?
>


IMHO, the WJ and its parent company are not such bad newspapers
overall( actually I like to read them somtimes ). It is just their
preset political position that degrade them, especially the more
closed relation with the so-called non-mainstream KMT faction.


Before I try to praise the Independence Weekly Post( IWP ),
the disclaimer stands that I am not associated w/ them or whatever ...
:-)

What I like the IWP is first of all, it claims itslef as an independent
newspaper-- Wu-don-Wu-pai, without any party affiliation- which I
think is a key element in media business( think about how many media
can claim this in Taiwan :-) ). Bascailly each issue has
different sections in there, like politics, social issues, education,
cross-strait news, cutural activities, and etc. They also has Person
of the Week section interviewing VIP including people from all levels
and parties like Wang Jou-min, the sectary of Executive Yuan, and Peng
Min-ming, exile who recently returned Taiwan. IMO, reading the IWP is
not just reading those hard political news, but it also give you the
feeling of Taiwan. Yes, it make you feel at home. It also have you
re-leanred Taiwan's early history, and many more. Well, if you
don't believe me, check out yourself. :-)

W.P. Wang