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From: ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Teflon-based lubes for sizing?
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:17:41 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Nov9.023744.27606@ncsu.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
#
#  One of the functions of the case when the round is fired is to
#expand to the chamber walls and to "hold on" so the backwards force
#on the bolt is decreased (somehat.)  If lube is left on the case, 
#then this friction is decreased and more force than anticipated in the
#design of the firearm is exerted on the bolt - which can stretch/break 
#things.

This is a concern with hot handloads, but with factory level pressures,
it's not a problem. Note that the H&K 91 deliberately flutes it's chamber
to *prevent* the case from gripping the chamber walls and hindering
ejection. A 7.62 NATO round is fairly high pressure. In general, factory
guns are designed to withstand factory ammo pressures *without* use of
problematic gripping of chamber walls by the brass. They must be built
this way because so many people shoot oiled guns.

Gary
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Don't change a thing!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:26:57 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

I disagree that this group should become unmoderated and as near
as I can tell from the other responses to this thread so do the rest
of "us".
 
I don't mind seeing the moderator's commentary in posts, especially
since it is always clearly marked as such.
 
The moderator is doing an outstanding job as far as I'm concerned.
There is no point in changing things to make one crackpot happy
(and the rest of us unhappy).
 
Respectfully,
 
Christopher Mauritz
(former captain of the People's Republic of Columbia University Rifle
Team)
From: scylax!root@uunet.UU.NET (Operator)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Laser Sights - The State of the Art
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:26:39 GMT
Organization: ScylaxCorp

I recently got a $330 laser sight for my SIG 228 and had to return it in
disgust.  I was told by a reputable armorer the moded I bought was one of 
the best, and after looking around I believe it.  The laser sight I got
had to be calibrated often with a tiny key.   When cleaning the gun the 
gun solvent detached the felt inside the lens washer.  In short, I think 
we do not have yet laser sights rugged enough to be fit companions of 
a combat auto.  Wires, tiny calibrating keys and components
sensitive to the usual gun cleaning elements are not acceptable. 

I like the concept of laser sights but if they are to be more than just 
a gimmick, technology has to produce a much more rugged product, easy to
calibrate without tools and with durable accuracy.  I hope it doesn't take
long.
From: Dave.Maycon@EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Baby Desert Eagle
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:19:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.

Does anybody out there have the new scaled down ver. of the Dersert Eagle. 
I've seen this 40mm @ my local gun shop.:
From: kgk@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Kleanthes Koniaris)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: A rec.guns posting?
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:56:54 GMT



Dear Readers:

I was wondering if there is a good textbook which describes how to
shoot.  To give an example, let's talk about shooting a pistol (9mm
auto), in "combat" style.  How many hands does one use?  [Two, right?]
Now, where do the feet go?  If * represents the target, does the line
between one's feet go like

 |     *,

or like

 /     *,

or like

 --    *

? [/, right?]

How does the line through the shoulders compare to the line between
the feet?  Does one lift their shoulders to bring the gun in line with
one's eyes, or does one lower his (her) head to the line of the
pistol?  [Lower head, right?]  Is one supposed to "crouch" (bend at
the knees) these days?  [No, right?]  Other issues are important, too;
for example, does one shoot with both eyes open?  [Yes, right?]  I'm
sure that you get the idea!

I'm just interested in finding a methodical and authoritative text
which will help me to improve my shooting.  It would also be nice if
it speaks about rifle and shotgun, too.

        ---kleanthes
From: mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Martin David Frankel)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Airgun scopes
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:06:14 GMT

I'm wondering what the disadvantages of putting a standard riflescope on
an airgun would be.

I know that airgun scopes have additional bracing for the two-way kick
of spring-piston airguns... but my gun has a soft recoil.  What are
other differences between airgun scopes and standard riflescopes?

Thanks,

               -- Martin
From: bartb@hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com (Bart Bobbitt)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Fluted Rifle Barrels
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:06:42 GMT

Every once in a while, a rifle shows up at a range with a fluted barrel.
Their owner's claim one or more of the following advantages:

   * Stiffer barrel for the same weight as a plain barrel of equal length.

   * Improved cooling due to increased surface area.

   * Less stress as some of the metal is removed.

Typical flutes are about 0.1-in. wide and from 0.05- to 0.1-in. deep.  
Number of flutes are from 6 to 9.  Once in a while the flutes are wider
and deeper.  Flutes usually start about 2 to 3 inches in front of the
receiver and end about an inch or so from the muzzle.  I've even seen
a couple where the flutes were spiraled exactly the same as the rifling
twist.

So, I'm curious as to what readers may have to say about them.

Comments?
From: spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven Miale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: SKS
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:27:06 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

I've been reading the articles in the rec.guns archives,
and it looks like the SKS is perfect for my needs: a good,
inexpensive, reliable rifle for someone who is just starting out.

What should I expect to pay for a new SKS? Also, any general
advice (add-ons, use, etc.) would be appreciated.

I will post a summary of the responses.

Thanks,

Steve

PS: If anyone has a list of gun shows in Virginia for the next
few months, I'd appreciate seeing it.

-- 
Steven Miale - spm2d@virginia.edu   | Don't blame me -
University of Virginia              | I voted Libertarian.
Charlottesville, Virginia           |
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Fluted Rifle Barrels
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:22:20 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

Does the "Twisted" barrel of the Mannlicher_Schonauer
have any positive effect toward cooling or is it just
cosmetic.
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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I by my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: 7.62 x 39 rounds
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:52:05 GMT

I decided to check my reference on the brown lacquered-case ammo.  It's
"The Complete Book of Assault Weapons" by Harris Publications, published
in 1988.  They refer to said ammo as Chinese Type PS ammo.  It came
packaged in a green and white box, with a diamond-shaped 'eye' on the
left of the box with horizontal lines to the right of it.

The bullet was a 122.5 grain boattail bullet with a steel core surrounded
by a thin lead jacket and covered with a steel jacket.  Velocity was
2450 fps from an SKS.  They said it was definitely armor-piercing.

This information's useless now, since someone said it now has a lead core,
but I thought I'd post it anyway...

Rob
From: ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: rec.guns submission
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:04:04 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Nov6.170355.7417@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#
#I suspect that radiation weapons will never obsolete firearms, 
#not in 200 years or 500.    How much electricity would it take
#to run a microwave or lazer projector that could rival a shotgun
#or pistol in effectiveness of stopping?   Could a standard 
#wall plug supply it today?  I doubt it could ever be had from a
#portable device in any case, unless electricity storage technology
#changes more than I can imagine.

Most high power portable lasers are chemical lasers of the gas dynamic
design, not electrically powered. So they aren't so different from
cartridge firearms. The other candidate for high power weapons grade
lasers is the free electron laser. It does require electrical power,
but remember that we're talking microsecond pulses. 1 gigawatt for
1 microsecond is only 10 amp-hrs at 100 volts. There are plenty of
manpack batteries that can supply that amount of energy. Normally
a capacitor bank is slowly charged from the primary supply and
discharged quickly through the laser.

Gary
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Long Range rifle?
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:38:06 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <viking.720869251@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
###	One point to remember: it is likely that a true sniper of
###excellent aim would not be allowed to enter the contest anyway, since
###walking away with first place or a new record is pretty much going
###to hang a red flag around your neck whenever you are deployed somewhere.

##Hatchcock won the Wimbledon match at Perry before he was shipped out
##to Vietnam.

#	I should admit it right now -- this is first-hand information, but
#I can't verify it.  A close friend of mine is an ex-Marine sniper, and
#claims he was ordered to place third, I believe it was, at a competetion
#for this reason. 

Was it really for that reason, or did his CO _tell_ him it was for 
that reason? (For all we know, the CO might have had other reasons,
like a side bet... )

                                             Frank Crary
                                             CU Boulder
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Sealing your reloads
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:52:42 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

Why not just store them in a plastic seal a meal bag.
After inserting the ammo in the bag stick a vacumn cleaner
hose with the vacumn on into the open neck and suck the
air out of the bag, while keeping it closed use the heat
strip to seal it. Kinda a poor mans vacumn packing so to
speak. Don't forget a bag of dessicant(sp?).
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Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.belcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I by my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: cower@ssd.intel.com (Rich Cower)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Adjusting sights on HBAR and Rem. 870 barrel needed.
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:52:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: SSD.9211091654.AA00820
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel


I need to drop my front sight down on my Colt HBAR. Is there a tool for
designed for this? What do other do?

Anyone know of an inexpensive source for a Rem. 870 12 ga. barrel 18.5 inches
long? I need one.

thanks...rich cower
From: lriggins@afit.af.mil (L. Maurice Riggins)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Questions about Boommers
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:26:16 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

In article <viking.721032334@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
#	For starting out, I would highly recommend the Thompson
#Center Renegade model.

Me too.  The ultimate practical blackpowder rifle.
 
#	Two other things to note: 1) you will have to clean this gun
#like you've never cleaned anything before.  That means taking it down
#to the bare components and a large bottle of Hoppe's #9.

Actually, I dread cleaning the muzzleloader a lot less than other guns.
If you adopt the Thompson NaturalLube process and avoid all petroleum
based products, you eliminate fouling and don't have to use Pyrodex.  A
5 gal pail of hot soapy water cleans better and bothers the family a
heck of lot less than 'Essence de Hoppes!  The need to clean _immediately_
after shooting is eliminated with NaturalLube, however, since either 
blackpowder or Pyrodex (particularly Pyrodex) is corrosive, it's still 
best to clean as soon as possible.  I'm a bit lazy and prefer the prelubed
NaturalLube patches (with non-corrosive RWS caps on an Uncle Mike's HotShot
nipple), but hand lube Maxi-Balls.  FWIW, NaturalLube is Thompson's 
labeling of the newer OxYoke WonderLube labeled 1000+.

In many ways, shooting the smokepole is much more fun than cartridge guns!

Regards,
-- 
Maurice               INTERNET:  lriggins@afit.af.mil
From: burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Armor Piercing rounds
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:24:28 GMT
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA

In article <199211040045.AA00838@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
#In article <9211031230.aa14789@claudius.pica.army.mil> erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID) writes:
##As a note, 7.62mm AP and SLAP are banned by the Federal "cop killer bullet"
##ban, as they are AP bullets fired from handguns. Manufacturing such a round
##without approval is probably a violation of Federal law.
#
#Other than Thompson Center's single actions, does anyone actually
#make a pistol chambered to 7.62 NATO?

TC doesn't make a .308.  Witchita and Pachmeyer do.

Bill	burge@qdeck.com
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Fletchette
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:22:43 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

ONTOS was a 4 rifle track vehicle purchased by the Marine
corps primarily for anti tank use, but like the quad 50
when loaded with flechet rounds and fired all four at once
would clear in the neighborhood of 4 acres, the flechetes
by the way are fin stabilized so they do go where they are
aimed at and are most effective at +50 yards so they have
time to open up. We also have them for the shoulder fired
recoiless but I dont have my fm handy and havent seen a
flechete round for training in about 8 years, but they are
still there.
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Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I by my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: fun things to shoot at
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:01:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: bcstec.4114
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


In article <RTARAZ.92Nov5125515@bigwpi.WPI.EDU>, rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
# 
# After going to an indoor range for many times, I would like to take my
# Taurus 92 out side for a while.  I like to know what are some fun
# things to shoot at. (i.e.  A television tube should be alot of fun)
# 
# rtaraz

Alot of things are fun to shoot at, some are less fun to clean
up, and alot less fun for the next guy who comes along to look at.
I hate going to private lands where the owner has graciously allowed
you to come on and target practice, only to find someones garbage shot
to you know what all over the place.  Needless to say, these places
sometimes become inaccessible.
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: breakdown .22s'
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:47:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.

In article <9211062032.AA07556@stortek.com> vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes:
#
#A friend of mine was looking for a .22 rifle (semi-auto) that can break down
#into a smaller package.  The only three guns like this that I know of are:
#
#	1) The Marlin Papoose  ~$130 with carry case
#	2) Feather AT-22 ~250 without carry case.  Designed to looks like a 
# 	   military styled weapon.
#	3) The AR-7 style guns, ~$170, where the barrel can be stored in
#	   the stock, and it can even float.
#
#Any opinions on any of these guns.  Anything else out there that we are
#missing.

There is also the Browning .22 Semi auto, and the Norinco copy of same.














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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Introducing New Shooters to the Sport (Part II)
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:04:25 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Nov4.212717.17345@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:

}The first thing we did was discuss safety for an hour.  Our guests were
}told 3 basic rules (a bit simplified but sufficient for keeping the day
}safe):
}  1. The first thing you do when handed a firearm is make sure that it is
}     unloaded (we also told them about safeties, where the guns had them).
}  2. Always be point the firearm in a safe direction (down range), be
}     conscious of where it's pointing.
}  3. Keep your finger outside of the trigger guard until you're ready to
}     shoot at the target.

You've got 1 & 2 reversed, at least.  The NRA teaches the top three as:

1.  Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
2.  Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
3.  Always keep the gun unloaded and action open until ready to use.

(1) Is considered "The Golden Rule."  It'll save you grief even if you
forget everything else.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: geoff@hawkesbury.uws.edu.au (Geoff Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ivor Johnson .410 shotgun
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:30:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: hawkesbu.geoff.66.721635502
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury

I have inherited my grandfather's Ivor Johnson 410 single shot
hammer action shot gun but I know nothing of it's age or origin.
Any ideas?

Geoff Russell,
University of Western Sydney,
New South Wales,
AUSTRALIA
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Glocks
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:29:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.

has any one ever had a problem with his or her glock breaking on him?
What is a better gun Glock21 or Colt/Springfield 1911?
what has a better trigger pull, more accurate , most likely to jam
I want to know which gun is beter over all,
which one is better in combat situations?
From: johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Neck sizing
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:20:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division

In article <1992Nov11.035257.22749@news.eng.convex.com>, cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
|> Well, I'm getting set up to reload for my 6.5 Swedish Mauser, and I have a
|> couple of questions. First of all, what's the consensus out there on neck
|> sizing vs. full length sizing? Can I get away just with neck sizing, or
|> will I have to resize full length every once in a while? Or should I forget
|> about neck sizing? 

   I tried neck sizing some 30.06 using a RCBS 'neck sizing die' and I
   ended up with some rather incredible bullet runout (I just roll the
   loaded rounds on my bench). Next I tried backing off with my full
   length sizing die and ended up with a partially sized neck and 
   shoulder but less runout. End of neck sizing experiment. If you want
   to neck size make sure that you get a proper die, which I assume
   will be a bench rest die set of some sort. It was fun trying it
   out along with a bunch of other techniques for getting more accurate
   handloads but I ended up full length sizing and setting the overall
   length to spec, and using powders and loads which (surprise !) have
   proven to work in a variety of rifles over a long period of time.     

   John Ongtooguk (johno@sdd.hp.com)
From: SYSTEMM@FRED.ALHRG.WPAFB.AF.MIL (System Manager Wuest)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: Boomers
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:57:51 GMT


   I might mention the leader in Black Powder replicas, CVA. They have real
   fine guns and kits at a reasonable price.   There are 2 basic thread 
   sizes on the BP market; TC and CVA.  You have to watch carefully when
   bying any accesories that are threaded.  Seems to me like there is more
   "stuff" made for the CVA thread than for TC.  (around here, anyway Ohio).

   The difference between finished and a kit is typically only $20, at least
   from the mail order companies like Gander Mountain, Sportsman's Guide, etc.
   I had a kit years ago.  The time it takes to finish can be 8 hours if you 
   want it to be.  That is making the metal to wood fit correctly.  You can 
   take _forever_ if you want finishing the wood!   Then there is the matter
   of bluing/browning the barrel.  The finished gun is a bargain unless you
   just want a new toy to play with.

   Howsoever, _shooting_ black powder is the joy of a lifetime.  :-)  You can
   shoot all day for not much more than a buck.  I have some assualt rifles
   that can burn up $20 worth of ammo a minute!  (at retail prices).  Be 
   advised that they can be an obsession.  Seems like there is _always_ more 
   new "stuff" to get.  I have  3 CVA .50's and really like 'em.

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From: g_cook@idaho2.csd.sgi.com (Gregory T. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: fun things to shoot at
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:54:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but full 
unopened soda cans work really well.  Shake them up, 
drop them on the ground a few times, then put them 
out there and have fun! A .357 really makes them explode
nicely... 

The aluminum can is very interesting to see afterwards.

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