HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: ATonce in an A1000
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:56:33 GMT

mmoore@cs.ulowell.edu (Mike Moore) writes:

>I am considering buying an ATonce (not the plus version) and I have an
>A1000.  I am wondering if it will work with the A1000 or not.  I heard that
>it needs and adapter to the Gary chip and since the A1000 does not have one of
>these, could this be a problem.  If this question has already been asked, I am
>sorry for the wasted bandwith.

The ATonce emulator comes with a "Gary-module".
-Doc

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From: pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu (Pete Ruttman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: What is final word on emplant and an A3000?
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:04:10 GMT
Reply-To: pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu (Pete Ruttman)
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

Does emplant work on an A3000 that has the softrom version of 2.04 yet?  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Remember when?
From: bgundlac@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Bill Gundlach )
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:43:02 EST

kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller) writes:
: 
: Remember when c.s.a.emulator WASN'T blatently being used to advertise/support
: a commercial product.  Remember when we could read c.s.a.emulators without 
: having to read 20 post per day about people whining when this COMMERCIAL 
: product would appear?  Remember when real problems got solved on 
: c.s.a.emulators?
: 
: Oh, the glory days!
: 
: Kevin
: A rather angry c.s.a.emulators reader!
: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
: 

How about:
Remember when we could read this group wo/ a Kill File for 
*Emplant* and *EMPLANT*?

Sigh

Bill

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From: alexr@capella.EETECH.McGill.CA (Alex Rousseau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Which is fastest ? A2000+FF40 or MacII ?
Keywords: n
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:39:35 GMT
Organization: McGill University - Montreal, CANADA.

Hello, again.

The title says it all. To be more speciic, when both a MacII
and an A2000 with RCS FF40 (28MHz) use 16-colour mode, which
runs the fastest ? (both computation-wise and display-wise).

Thanks.

Alex.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Here's how to FTP to/from Wuarchive.
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:10:44 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <70043@cup.portal.com>, Don_-_Hirschfeld@cup.portal.com writes:
>Any way to read a txt file while at the ftp prompt without d/l-ing the
>readme file?


uh...print it??  jeeze..ya'd think paper was extinct.. :)

Jim
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan)
Subject: Re: Flaky BridgeBoard problems...
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:23:10 GMT

From article <BxM72u.LzG@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, by pejanes@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Janes):
> I'm having some problems with my A2286 Bridgeboard.  Has anyone on the net
> heard of anything like these?

[ lots of description deleted ]

The sure-fire cure is to pull out the BB and, using appropriate tools,
pull out all the socketed ICs and reseat them, one at time.  You may get
away with just twisting the BB a little, and then making sure all the
ICs are properly seated.  Full scale measure is to use a pencil eraser
and clean the IC legs as well (stroke in the direction of the pins).
For this one, you really should have the IC sitting on a metal bar to
dissipate static.

In essence - tin plated ICs and IC sockets should never be used
together.

 
Allan Duncan		ACSnet	 a.duncan@trl.oz
(+613) 253 6708		Internet a.duncan@trl.oz.au
Fax    253 6664		UUCP	 {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz.au!a.duncan
    Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia.
From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:20:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.jdrew.0jlv
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.26 beta (Oct 19 1992)


In <1992Nov17.223120.4122@memstvx1.memst.edu>, langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston) writes:
> In article <69713@cup.portal.com>, jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris) writes:
> > ** Working Emplant **
> > U.U. new release of the Emplant software, available as NEWEMP.LHA on their
> > BBS, appears to be operational!  The emulator runs on an A2000 with A2630
> > accelerator.  It runs slower in 16 color mode than it does in B&W, but it is
> > really great to see.  HD and Amiga devices are still not supported, but it
> > runs, in color, multitasks, and hasn't crashed yet!
> 
> 
>   Okay, so now someone other than Jim has one that's up and running.  Anyone
> care to hazard a guess as to which batch of problems everyone will harp on
> next?  (I can see it now..."Everything runs flawlessly, but it still won't
> bring me breakfast in bed!  JIIIIIIMMMM!")
> 
> (take this with a grain of salt...I was feeling a bit sarcastic.  I'm glad to
> hear someone has a working version.  Hell, I may just buy one myself now and
> sell my Amax.  I need an accelerator anyway.  Here's my excuse to go buy one.
> Wonder if the thing works on a 1200? Hmmm..)
> 
> -- 
> +--------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here---------+
>   Mark C. Langston   |  "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny."                 
>   Psychology Dept.   |  "Always listen to experts.  They'll tell you what can't
>   Memphis State U.   |     be done, and why.  Then do it."                      
>       "Pftph!"       |           -From the notebooks of Lazarus Long         
 
We have our 1200's ripped apart now and are working on hardware just for
the A1200.  Yes, there will be an EMPLANT for Commodore's latest baby.


Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:35:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Good and Bad developers
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
From: mrubino@engws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Here's how to FTP to/from Wuarchive.
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:38:42 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <70043@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Hirschfeld@cup.portal.com writes:
>Any way to read a txt file while at the ftp prompt without d/l-ing the
>readme file?

Actually, there are two ways.

	1) Send it to your terminals standard input: "get blah.readme -"
	2) Pipe it to more "get blah.readme |more"

This is assuming that you are on a UNIX terminal.  It looks like you are
getting the News via Portal.  This should work in a Portal Shell account, but
I'm not sure about an Online account.  Give it a shot, see what happens.

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From: rayz@koko.csustan.edu (Ray Zarling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: 2286 won't work with 5.25 drive (long)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:32:05 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Nov16.222730.14618@col.hp.com> dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin) writes:
>...  Borrowed a 1.2m 
>5.25 drive, it will read and boot from 360k floppies but will not access 1.2m 
>disks at all.  Get the same invalid media message etc as with the 360k drive.  
>

This is very reminiscent of problems I had for a while with my 2286.  Low
density modes worked on the floppies, while high density modes were flakey
or didn't work at all.  It turns out it was the power supply I was using
to power the drives.  I had them in an external case intended for use as
a hard drive case.  The floppies evidently did not load the power supply
enough, and the power was very noisy.  The ultimate solution was to get
a different power supply (I'm using a linear supply now), but loading both
the 12 and 5 volt arms of the switching power supply with a resistor (I
don't remember; a couple hundred ohms I think) helped a lot.

--Ray Zarling
  rayz@csustan.edu
From: sl1zm@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Bridgeboard & mem emul. software
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:46:29 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

>>I read about a software program that will let a Bridgeboard use
>>expanded or extended (?) ram by emulating it with the Amiga mem.
> 
>>What is this program called and where can I get it?
> 
> It's called AmigaEMS, and it was just recently uploaded to wuarchive.

Well, after looking around on wuarchive for an hour, I never found it...
what directory is it (or should it) be in??

James
From: jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:27:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69713@cup.portal.com> <1992Nov19.134247.17809@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>

>does it run on the 4000?

It doesn't run yet on a 3000, so I suspect it won't do 4000 either.  I wish
I had one to test that out.  :-)  The fix for 3000/4000 is supposed to be
available by this weekend, they say.
From: jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:07:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>> 4.  At least twice as slow or worse.  I haven't worked with a real MacII.  I
>
>What program did you use to compare speed test vs a MAC II?  What
>priority?  What video refresh rate?  What video depth (2, 4, 16, or 256
>colors)?

Jim,
This comment was not in relation to the speed of a real Mac II.  The
question was asked about how much slower applications run in color vs.
B&W on Emplant.  I was in 16 color mode, priority 0, refresh 20, (i.e.
default conditions), and my primary application is Personal Hotline.  I
haven't worked with a real Mac II, so I can offer no speed comparisons
between Emplant and a real Mac.

On your BBS, someone hinted that the reason Emplant runs so much slower in
color is the extra DMA bus contention.  I would have expected most of the
emulation to run in fast ram, and be immune to this.  Is it the display
conversion routines that are effected here, or more generally, is it
primarily the overhead of converting color video that is stealing CPU time
from the emulation?

What future options might we have for getting a real time color display with
no CPU overhead?  AGA chunky pixels?  Another video card?  Other???

When the Mac II operates in B&W, is screen memory similar to what it was
like on older B&W Macs, in that a one bitplane Amiga screen could display it
directly with no conversions, ala AMax?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: ENOUGH with no VGA on AMOUSE!
From: bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:22:41 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

  I'm getting QUITE annoyed now that I can't use VGA other than windows 
with my AMOUSE driver.. I'm almost tempted to blow money and waste a slot 
getting a real IBM mouse.. 

  Does C= have ANY plans on writing a new driver or am I just wishing for 
things that won't happen?

  If not, I'm a decent programmer.. give me docs on how to do it, and I 
will.. 


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: HP PaintJet driver for A-max
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:04:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.161221.20720@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jepaul@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Darth Jason) writes:
>Does anyone have or know where to get the Hewlett Packard Paint Jet printer driver to be used with A-max?  I am getting tired of not being able to print anything.
>
>
>
From: sfuller@tamuts.tamu.edu (Steven Eric Fuller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Here's how to FTP to/from Wuarchive.
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:16:45 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu

In article <1992Nov22.223447.1080@cs.uoregon.edu> keith@cacofonix.cs.uoregon.edu (Keith Steiger) writes:
>ftp> get StrangeFile.readme |less
>
>will feed the file through "less" and feed it to your screen.
>
>What follows the pipe (|) must not contain any spaces, which limits the
>usefulness somewhat, but it's still very handy.

try this:
ftp> get StrangeFile.readme "|grep amiga |less"
From: orovner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Oleg Rovner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Sybil and Emplant
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:28:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov20.012233.15270@ennews.eas.asu.edu> prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Louis A. Prado) writes:
>So my question is not if anyone can get EMPLANT to work, but has
>anyone ever gotten SYBIL to work ?  If the answer is no, how do emplant owners
>port their MAC software to EMPLANT since there is no connection for a MAC
>drive ?
>

I have a Sybil that works fine with a 68000 and no fast RAM on a
500. It eats shit and dies with a Mega Midget Racer 32 bit RAM, a
Trumpcard 4meg 16 bit RAM board, or a combination thereof. 

 Oleg

-- 
Libertarian in '92, nothing else makes sense.* orovner@ucsd.edu 
Just say NO to Bush/Quyale and Clinton/Gore! * oleg@crumpet.cts.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: I got Emplant Working!!!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 01:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.111512.20221@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>In article <22040035@hpmwmat.sr.hp.com> mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>>	
>>	Yes, people are laughing at the Amiga and her users because
>>	of this EMPLANT fiasco.  "Don't buy an Amiga... nothing works
>>	right on it....  none of the hardware works correctly.... "
>
>What type of people are laughing at the Amiga? Typically there are people who
>will dismiss products they are unfamiliar with. I know few people who go 
>around deriding Amiga users. As far as emulators go, the Emplant and the others
>have very interesting possibilities on the Amiga. However, we aren't dealing   
>with an easy area here. Especially when it comes to the Mac, as even a true
>Mac is a rather unstable computer given enough inits.


Macweenies laugh because they see slick Mac commercials on TV and see few
if any Amiga commercials.  What's funny is to play a few of the best Mac
games after playing a few of the best Amiga games.  Mac just doesn't come
close.  And here we are discussing the second Mac emulator on the market.
This one emulates Mac IIs in all their glory.  And it sounds like that the
1200 + Emplant is going to give you MacII performance and functionality for
about half the cost of the real Macoy. 

Laugh Macweenies.... laugh out loud.

And my roomate is a Mac salesman and owns both an Amiga and Macfx.  He has
his problems with his Mac.  In his new job here in Denver, he is selling
PCs too and he gave up on using SoftPC (tm) on his fx to learn msdos soft-
ware and runs it on his Amiga bridgeboard.  And guess where he learned
the Mac OS?  You guessed it, ...on his Amiga with A-max.  He never could
have afforded his fx until he became a salesman and got the huge discount.

Pretty funny eh????


                                     NCW

Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:49:38 -0500 
From: Chee Leong Lee <cl3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
	<69713@cup.portal.com>

jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris) writes:
> ** Working Emplant **
> U.U. new release of the Emplant software, available as NEWEMP.LHA on their
> BBS, appears to be operational!  The emulator runs on an A2000 with A2630
> accelerator.  It runs slower in 16 color mode than it does in B&W, but it is
> really great to see.  HD and Amiga devices are still not supported, but it
> runs, in color, multitasks, and hasn't crashed yet!

Can someone put this file on an ftp-site somewhere?

William

+--------------------------+----------------------------+
| Chee-Leong Lee (William) | CMU Box 127, 4825 Frew St. |
| ID: cl3a@andrew.cmu.edu  | Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890. |
+--------------------------+----------------------------+


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: mrubino@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT NEWS
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:35:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.034258.57087@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gcl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE C. LIN) writes:
>How many of you out there remember several posts back in May or June where
>Jim said that the software will have it's own user's interface, and then after
>several posts of how he should follow Commodore's guideline, he made a big
>post about "just because Commodore published the guideline, it doesn't mean
>everybody have to follow it.."  VERY unprofessional IMO.
>.
>I think after a week or so, he then made a post about how he/they will follow
>the 2.0 OS guideline to make everybody happy... I GUESS NOT...
>
>I wish I had captured those lies from a few months ago...


It is possible to simulate the 2.0 look and feel under 1.3 and thus follow
the C= Style Guide.

- Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: "rob salerno" <rob.salerno@canrem.com>
Subject: emplant frustration
Reply-To: "rob salerno" <rob.salerno@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 15 Nov 92 09:58:46 EST

Okay... So I got emplant and Sybil.

What has it done so far.  Well it fried my 8520A chips.  Is was dead in
the water till I could spend 50 Bucks Canadian on new chips.  I've only
gotten Sybil to work once and that was the calibration program.  And
even then it didn't work the way it was supposed to.  The numbers
showing from drive would change by themselves.  If I turned the POT they
would not change.  The values always stayed to high out of RANGE.

OH and by the way I had to use Sybil with my accelerator off and booting
my 2000 in 1.3 mode.

If I tried to run the MAC calibration it would screw up my screen and
guru or freeze on me.  It wouldn't work at all after that.

Emplant itself.  Well I moved everything in to the proper areas on my
drive.  I've tried using the rservmem (what ever program) but found that
under 1.3 it would guru my computer and under 2.0 it would just go into
an continual reboot.  It would say reserving memory area and then it
would just reboot with the same message each time.

I tried running lowmap but it did not help.  And I've tried everything
in both 2.0 and 1.3.

This is getting really frustrating.  I feel like I've been sold a Bill
of goods.

I remember when I got the flyer on EMPLANT.  Will work on all computers.

Yah the Board may be working but it ain't doing what its supposed to be
doing.

I've tried calling the Bulletin Board.  Long distance from Toronto.  For
some reason I only hooked up at 2400 baud and the Board won't work
properly so after 10 frustrating minutes I had to hangup.

HELP any one.  JIM DREW if your out there HELP!!!!!.

'nuff said

Rob
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:10:16 GMT
Subject: Re: I got Emplant Working!!!
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations

	
	This post proves that bad developers/products hurt the Amiga.

	Yes, people are laughing at the Amiga and her users because
	of this EMPLANT fiasco.  "Don't buy an Amiga... nothing works
	right on it....  none of the hardware works correctly.... "

	Remember how many years it took to shake off that damned "unstable OS"
	reputation that Commodore created?  DOS and MAC-heads claimed
	that for many years (and some probably still do).

	I hope EMPLANT turns ON or _totally_ disappears FAST before we
	have to take much more crap from the MAC-heads.

	-Mike-


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: jshea@eng.clemson.edu (john mark shea)
Subject: Re:  Emplant ideas
Reply-To: jshea@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:24:09 GMT

In article 0jxj@cryo.rain.com, jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) writes:
>
> 
>Again, we are dealing with a MAC here.  The video size is hard coded in
>the declaration ROM.  We can make various video sizes, however, the MAC
>software *must* support them or *boom!*.  The MAC doesn't have the
>features of the Amiga.  ;-)
Nonsense, the Mac supports any size of monitor if you have a video card for it.  And
A-Max supports custom screen sizes, also.  As a matter of fact, I just set my 
A-Max to always boot to the current workbench size.  Very few modern programs balk.

Why do you think System 7 includes a special routine for centering windows?????
So you don't have to ask for the size of the screen for that same purpose, maybe ?

>
>Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
>           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
>           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
>           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS

John Shea