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From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: New World Antiquities, help needed
Organization: UiO
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:38:09 GMT

 I need kopies of articles in the April 1971 and September/October 1971 numbers
of the bulletin: New World Antiquities.

if someone has access to this publication and is willing to help me get hold of
the needed articles please give me a buzz.

my address is:

e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no




elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: hyper@ecf.toronto.edu (Hypersonic CFD Combust Diag)
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:17:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.135102.10859@ccu.umanitoba.ca> shamma@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes:
>In article <Dfq-LJB@engin.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
>: 	Bahiya Hariri, sister of Lebanese-born Saudi tycoon Rafic Hariri who
> 	^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: was running on Berri's list, won the largest number of votes.
>: 	Mustafa Saad,...........
>:	..........
>
>
>	Is it true that Bahiya Hariri offered $2000.00 for each
>	person that votes in her favor , and that she paid for 
>	round trip plane tickets for some Lebanese in Saudi Arabia
>	to vote for her as well ? 
>
>
> Walid
> -----

I am not sure how people are made to believe such things. At any rate,
No, that did not happen.  From what I saw on the streets she had great
public support. And her alliance with Nabih Berri did certainly gaurantee
her the votes of those who support Berri, and that's a good number down
south.  obviously, she did not need to resort to those tactics you 
mentioned.

Wow, $2000.00/vote...gosh....people down there do it for $50 
and some waited till the end of the election day and got 
$100.00.  And i did see it done :)).

I am sure whoever spread the above rumor ($2000) must have read Hitler's
book (Mein Kampf):\

" The great masses of the people...will more easily fall victims to a
big lie than to a small one.".

But the above one was waaaaaay too big :))

Samir.

                             
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 09:50:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.145714.7290@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.110437.13857@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>>
>>I think Ayman meant that the people can trust Ms Hariri ( not trying to repay
>>her by electing her ) since herself and her brother have done very much for
>>the country out of good intention ( a character a bit rare in some of our
>>politicians ).
>>However in addition to be helpful and trustworthy, a member of parliament
>>should have some essential political skills. Ms Hariri is best known for her
>>humanitarian stands more than for her policies.
>>We hope, as a polician, she is as good as the kind person we all know.
>
>I am only curious why a nice and humanitarian person could not find better
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>running mates :-)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is not up to myself to classify the people, who is good and who is less good.
I do not know therefore how good her running mates are.

However, I am hoping that Ms Hariri (being the kind person) will "infect" the 
other the members of the new parliament (not only her running mates) with the
disease of "working for the good of our people".

Keep your fingers crossed.

>
>Regards, Elie.
>
(Elie, you're a trouble maker...take it easy for goodness' sake).

Regards, Ibrahim.

-- 
*******************************************************************************
* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
*******************************************************************************
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:09:25 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.110437.13857@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
> In article <1992Sep10.212113.16124@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep10.102905.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>|> 
>>|> In article <1992Sep9.135102.10859@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, shamma@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes:
>>|> > In article <Dfq-LJB@engin.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
>>|> > : 
>>|> However it is natural
>>|> for people to vote for her as a show of appreciation for what her brother Mr.
>>|> Hariri has done for the whole lebanon....
>>
>>Walla, that's a good reason.. 
>>I should legally change my name to Hariri one day and go back to Lebanon :-)
>>Seems that name is hip, and could open many doors :-)
>>
>>Jokingly, Elie.
> 
> I think Ayman meant that the people can trust Ms Hariri ( not trying to repay
          ^^^^^
My first name is Abbas not Ayman;However It is obvious that people trust 
Mr. Hariri in Lebanon. His sister has done a lot of humanitarian as well 
as social and cultural work in lebanon. when I was in Lebanon last 
month I remember that she was the sponsor of a lot of Book fairs, Handicapped 
people problems and other such things.
> her by electing her ) since herself and her brother have done very much for
> the country out of good intention ( a character a bit rare in some of our
> politicians ).
> However in addition to be helpful and trustworthy, a member of parliament
> should have some essential political skills. Ms Hariri is best known for her
> humanitarian stands more than for her policies.

I believe she does have some political skills eventhough a member in the 
parliment does not have to have that huge background of political skills and 
he/she can gain more and more skills as they practice their role in 
the parliment.

> We hope, as a polician, she is as good as the kind person we all know.
> 
> I. Ballouz

A. Fardoun
> -- 
> *******************************************************************************
> * IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
> * ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
> *******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Muslim fighters attack Israeli patrols
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:57:34 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

[ Article crossposted without permission ]
[ Author was UPI ]
[ Posted on Tue, 15 Sep 92 9:58:09 PDT ]

	SIDON, Lebanon (UPI) -- Israeli artillery pounded Shiite villages in
southern Lebanon Tuesday after Muslim guerrillas killed and wounded a
number of Israeli soldiers in a twin attack at the edge of the border
zone, militia and security sources said.
	Shells rained down on hills overlooking the market town of Nabatiyeh,
33 miles south of Beirut, and nearby Kfar Roumman village, security
sources said.
	No casualties were yet reported but two houses were damaged in the
one-hour Israeli bombardement, the sources said.
	The shelling was in retaliation for a twin attack by guerrillas of
the Islamic Resistance Movement, the military arm of the pro-Iranian
Hezbollah, against two Israeli patrols at the edge of Israel's self-
declared ``security zone.''
	The Islamic Resistance Movement said in a communique said a squad of
its guerrillas detonated an explosive charge against an Israeli patrol
made up of six soldiers and two Israeli-made Mirkava tanks.
	``All the patrol members were killed or wounded,'' the communique
said, adding that ``at least three corpses were seen on the battlefield.
''
	Later, another squad of the Muslim guerrillas set off an explosive
charge against a 25-member Israeli force backed by two military vehicles
which advanced to evacuate the casualties inflicted in the earlier
attack.
	``The second attack inflicted further casualties among the Israeli
ranks and an Israeli helicopter was seen evacuating the killed and
wounded,'' the communique said.
	Israel controls a strip of land that stretches nine miles inside
Lebanon which it called its ``security zone.'' Some 1,000 Israeli
servicemen and their 2,500-member South Lebanon Army militia patrol the
border enclave.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: zughbi@dmpe.csiro.au (another phoenics person)
Subject: Re: Aoun might join the goverment
Organization: CSIRO. Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:33:21 GMT




What  does it take a follower of Aoun to see that he is trading
with Lebanon's and the Lebanese to satisfy his own power hunger?
Am I correct in assuming that Elie, Boudi and company (CLAO etc.) 
are defending the general blindly or following him like meek sheep.

Aoun's man in Beirut, Abillamah, said recently in an interview with 
the weekly al_Hawadeth that more co-operation between the four main
opposition groups is possible and is being sought. He cited his 
cooperation with Fouad Malek as an example. Now Aoun, true to his
colours, denounces the Kataeb and the Leabnese Forces just AFTER
A CORDIAL VISIT FROM MINISTERS DALLOUL, MURR AND HOBEIKA.

Aoun's only aim is power and to be a little dictator, absolute dictator,
a real general!!!. It does not matter on what and how much.  He does
not and will never accept any political, religious or military power
which doen not say to him yes all the time. If the Kataeb and the LF
are bad and evil, could Aoun say that they are the ONLY bad ones
in LEBANON, so that as he stated he welcomes dealing and wheeling
with the SYRIANS, Hobeika, Berri, Jumblatt and EVERYBODY else	
except the LF and Kataeb.

The General is living in his own sick dreams and the SYrians are sucking 
him to the bone any time it suits them. Remember the time between the end
of his war against the Lebanese Forces and October 13th. He was living
on supplies courtesy of Hobeika and Jumblatt and the Syrian National
Social Party. The aim was to further weaken the Christians and the
area which was outside the Syrian hegemony.

Why Syria's allies are talking again to the General now? Because
they need him AGAIN to subdivide the opposition to Syria and just
like in 1990 he obliged.

That is why the opposition to the elections, strong as it may looked,
could not sway Syria's orders to our Government to hold the elections.
The Syrians knew that their dummy ally is ready and knowingly or
unknowingly he will oblige.

One sad thing should always be remembered is that Assad is far too smart
for Aoun, and Aoun will never ever be allowed back in any power. Aoun is
simply a naughty and inconsistent boy for the Syrians liking. He can serve 
them from Marseilles. May be when he mellows a bit more he can a roving 
ambassador for president Assad in France. After all Aoun has very good
relations with the French.

Unless the Christians amongthemselves have a clear vision of what they
want beyond persons like Aoun, they will keep on self destructing. Aoun
has created schisms among the Christians and he is the last one to decide
who to cooperate with and who not to.
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:43:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

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daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 11:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.233319.31240@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled
S. Soufi) writes:


>
>Hobeika is not a member of the group that ordered the massacres in Sabra and
Shatila anymore.  I presume you would rather fault the guy who followed
*orders* and not the real criminals who planned the whole thing.  Listen, you
can view his win not as much as a win for him but really as a defeat to those
he dissented with.  I bet you that was why people voted him in.  Hobeika is an
anti-Kuwwat symbol and people who have voted for him probably cared more for
that symbol and less for his personage.  Sounds about right to me.


Khaled there is much that sounds right to very many. But you were one of those
who advocate change. Interesting how quickly one compormises his own positions!

Do you want change, or power?

Any way can you reveal to us who *ordered* the massacres of Sabra and Chatila?
MAYBE Randal is the *ONLY* authority on the issue?

Was it Amine Gemayel? Pierre Gemayel or Bashir had written in his will that
when he would be elected president and then strech out to all lebanese and be
assasinated that Elie Hobeika should obey his orders and massacre Palestinians?

Tell us Khaled who ordered the surrounding and the fighting of the selv same
Camps when Amal were fighting the Palestinians and caused as many deaths? Was
Berri oveying orders? given by which group?

Khaled a man like Elie HObeika, who has a brain I presume, could make choices
of his own. Thus the man is responsible for his acts. 

And to say it all, if someone votes for Elie Hobeika becaus e he is anti-
Quwwaat, they could just as much vote for Aoun, or Chamoun! 

I was wishing Khaled, that the New Lebanon you wanted was different from you
are now advocating!

>-- 
>+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+-----------------------


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Jesse Helms (AOUN and the south)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:40:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.140944.14087@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> 
> 1. It would be very interesting if Kamel el Assaad wins. Maybe he's 
>    better than the pro-Syrians or the pro-Iranians.
I do agree that it will be very interesting if he wins but I doubt that 
because he is from the traditonal leaders who used to live abroad during times 
of crisis while the others remained and fought against the Israeli occupation. 
He and his supporters used to move freely at that time so free that they had 
enough time to set up an election under the Israeli tanks to elect bashir.
 
> 2. You say:
>    "He (Aoun) and his 
>     supporters never remembered the south when it was and still being bombed
>     everyday by Israel and its supporters."
> 
> (What you say is far from the truth, everything I have heard
>  from Gen. Aoun before and after he was toppled by Syria does not 
>  support your claim)
On the contrary Every thing he has done, support my claim. 
1) up to now all of his speeches is concentrated on syria and so on ...
he never had one speech where the center of that speech is to discuss the
israeli provlem and the occupation of part of the south by Israel.  At the most
when assked he used to answer that Israel has to leave the south. He has never
intended to fight them. I believe that this is well known fact unless some want 
to argue for the sake of argument.
> (As a matter of fact your attitude doesn't make things any simpler, 
>  your statements probably manage to alienate even more people who may
>  otherwise feel sympathetic)
I do not understand what you mean. If you mean that the opinion of some people 
who are sympathetic with the suffering of the south might change because of the 
fact that we think that Aoun is not and never was the leader of lebanon, that
is too bad.
> (Each area of Lebanon has its own set of problems, and until the solution
>  is approached globally as to what is the best for all
>  of Lebanon, things will probably stay the same.)
A global approach for lebanon needs a global leader who is elected by Lebanese 
without any pressure from any country. I agree that this is impossible with the 
present situation (the Israeli occupation and the syrian presence in lebanon) 
however, Aoun was not that kind of global leader neither any of the lebanese 
presidents that we have seen. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:33:19 GMT

sion@apache.ctr.columbia.edu (Boudi Sahyoun) writes:

>In article <1992Sep11.043617.26161@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:

>[stuff deleted]


[...]

>>enough reason" for you?  Besides, she won.  I guess this clearly means
>>it was a good enough reason for the wise people back home.

>Elie Hobeika won too. I guess the people were rewarding him for his past 
>actions. Hehe he was even elected on a date so close to the anniversary of the 
>Sabra and Shatila massacres that it's almost funny.
>In case you don't remember, it happened on the night of Thursday September 16
>1982.

Hobeika is not a member of the group that ordered the massacres in
Sabra and Shatila anymore.  I presume you would rather fault the guy
who followed *orders* and not the real criminals who planned the whole
thing.  Listen, you can view his win not as much as a win for him but
really as a defeat to those he dissented with.  I bet you that was why
people voted him in.  Hobeika is an anti-Kuwwat symbol and people who
have voted for him probably cared more for that symbol and less for
his personage.  Sounds about right to me.

-- 
+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+
|   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
| U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------+
From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Jesse Helms (AOUN and the south)
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:09:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep6.104031.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep5.140944.14087@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

>present situation (the Israeli occupation and the syrian presence in lebanon) 
                                ----------                --------

Any further discussion with you is futile. Maybe partition is the answer
to keep all the guys who think like you at a safe distance. :-)

Regards, Elie.

--

                                 ________
________________________________/--------\______________________________________
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:36:17 GMT

sion@apache.ctr.columbia.edu (Boudi Sahyoun) writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.102905.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

>> Since the largest percentage of population that voted was in the south about
>>75% according to official numbers which is about 200,000 votes that means that
>>Mrs. Hariri had to pay 200 million dollars or 0.2 billion and I know and every

>Assuming that all 200,000 people could and did vote for her; and that's a 
>wrong assumption :-)

>>body knows that the lebanese parliment is not worth it.  However it is natural
>>for people to vote for her as a show of appreciation for what her brother Mr.
>>Hariri has done for the whole lebanon and all lebanese when lebanon needed it
>[...]

>Do you really think that is a good enough reason to vote for her?
>I am very happy to see a woman as a member of parliament, I am just concerned
>about the reasons why people voted for her.

If the reasons above are not good enough for any politician to be
elected anywhere in the world, I don't know what is!

Isn't it a fact that the Hariri people have kept Lebanon's vital
institutions functioning at a time where almost everybody else was
busy destroying them!?  If nothing, Mrs. Hariri will be a refreshing
symbol of construction and prosperity, to say the least.  We all need
that.  You know, it is fairly straightforward for an average person
to know that the best candidate for any position in any government is
the one who would WORK FOR THE PEOPLE and NOT ONESELF!  The Hariris
have been diligently working to better the lives of so many Lebanese
*before* Mrs. Hariri even became a candidate.  Isn't that a "good
enough reason" for you?  Besides, she won.  I guess this clearly means
it was a good enough reason for the wise people back home.

Reflecting back on these recent elections, I think it is great that
people finally had the chance to decide their future by voting.  I
think this process of democracy will be addictive and people will ask
for more.  Let's try to remember that we are still not out of the blue
yet and to expect a perfect election at this point is a little too
ambitious (unrealistic).  In fact, I am very surprised that we are at
this stage so soon!

-- 
+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+
|   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
| U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: sion@apache.ctr.columbia.edu (Boudi Sahyoun)
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: Free Lebanon
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:07:39 GMT
X-Posted-From: apache.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep10.102905.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

> Since the largest percentage of population that voted was in the south about
>75% according to official numbers which is about 200,000 votes that means that
>Mrs. Hariri had to pay 200 million dollars or 0.2 billion and I know and every

Assuming that all 200,000 people could and did vote for her; and that's a 
wrong assumption :-)

>body knows that the lebanese parliment is not worth it.  However it is natural
>for people to vote for her as a show of appreciation for what her brother Mr.
>Hariri has done for the whole lebanon and all lebanese when lebanon needed it
[...]

Do you really think that is a good enough reason to vote for her?
I am very happy to see a woman as a member of parliament, I am just concerned
about the reasons why people voted for her.

regards,

Boudi
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Aoun might join the goverment
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:46:31 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

I have heard that Aoun agreed to join the new goverment which should be ready
soon after the elections. Does anybody know anything about that? or if he has
any conditions? I also heard that after this news and other news that the 
opponents for the elections might reconsider their position the value of the 
dollar fell by about 3%!!!

   A. Fardoun