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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: FYI: Parade's All-America Team
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:35:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.004021.8356@infonode.ingr.com> tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
> In article <aggie-090193180018@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
> |> In article <1993Jan9.054149.14854@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp
> |> (harbison) wrote:
> |> > 
> |> > In article <1993Jan8.233050.8189@Arco.COM>
> |> > mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
> |> > > 10. Willie Anderson   Vigor        Prichard, Ala.  6-7  305
> |> > > 15. Jesse McCovery    Theodore     Theodore. Ala.  6-3  260
> |> >                                                      ^^^^^^^^
> |> > 
> |> > Geez, I knew we grew `em big in Alabama, but 6-7, 305 lb.?  That boy's
> |> > mama must make damn good biscuits.  Does anyone know if either one is
> |> > headed for Bama?  I think I've seen McCovery's name on somebody's
> |> > "leaning to Bama" list.  Imagine how these rascals will get once they
> |> > are living within 5-10 miles of Dreamland!

Tony,

Wake up.  There's more going on than you might imagine.  We are growing 
a nation of monsters.  Rutgers has received a verbal committment from
Mike Craig of Trenton NJ.  Mike is 6-6, 310.  (He was listed as 6-6, 330
as a junior but apparently lost some of the baby fat.)  Around here we
feed 'em steak; ther rawer the better.  And they're not chicken-fried;
whatever the hell that means.

I wear a size 8 shoe, my 14 year old son wears a size 10 1/2.  He's already
taller than me and .......   


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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:28:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.224740.16462@bmerh85.bnr.ca> hoequist@brtph642.BNR.CA (Charles Hoequist P250) writes:
>No, Florida does not import its football talent. The only article
>I've ever seen on football demographics made the point that FL and CA
>were the two major exporters of football players to the rest of the 
>country. With California, one could account for it by saying they
>have the largest pool of potential players, but it leaves Florida's
>standing mysterious.
>
>-ceh
>  

Well, hate to break it to you, but Texas exports more football players
than anyone else... something to the tune of 558 players as of the
'92 season.  I quoted an article about it a couple of weeks ago.

Those 558 are playing for Div IA schools outside the state of Texas,
686 are playing for Div IA schools in Texas.  Florida only has 3 Div IA
schools and it still imports players... (hell, 9 on Miami's roster)
And don't say that they are "non-contributors"... subliminal message--
Kevin Williams, Jessie Armstead --end of subliminal message.  I would
like to see your sources for this article...

Here are mine...
Houston Post, Section A, Page 9, December 29, 1992
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From: robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Organization: control_centers
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:06:47 GMT


In <448@rd1.interlan.com>, tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes:

>Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan:

>I was surprised by how many Alabama fans left the game early.  The stadium
>seem half full by the middle of the fourth quarter.  I would think most
>fans would have stayed until the end of the game to see their team
>celebrate.  Last year at the Orange Bowl, the stadium was still full
>when the game ended (except for the Nebraska section).

How do you know it wasn't the Miami fans who left?  

Rob
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--No dispute here
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:19:13 GMT

In article <4JAN199313003918@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>
>Team			Record			Weight
>----			------			------
>4 Washington		9-3			2.1
>6 Stanford		10-3			2.0
>14 Washington St	9-3			1.7
>21 Arizona		6-5-1			1.5
>22 Southern Cal		6-5-1			1.4

PAC 10 weenie alert!

>     But that's just MY opinion.	Roger Dendy

You really mean *only*, right?
Shows what an incompetent with a computer can do! Where's the other one?

Njan
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:32:43 GMT

In article <1idsjrINN43r@tamsun.tamu.edu> gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:
>In article <C0Er8u.77n@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>>Hi.  Wow, what an exiting game that was!  Their is no doubt that Alabama
>>>is the
>>>best team in college football this year.
>>>My question is if Miami is the Hurricanes why is there mascot a bird?
>>>GT
>>
>>Probably for the same reason Bama's is an elephant !!!    :-)
>
> 
>I didn't know that the elephant was the first to run away when the tide comes
>in and the last to return when the tide goes out.
> 
>- goober (what's the name of that damn bird anyways) smith
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IVAN, you dumpkof!

cmuck   :-)
>
>


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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:58:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.154903.9136@infonode.ingr.com> Tony Bowman,
tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
>	Congratulations on being a man.  You are alone down there !!!
>	You are to be commended.  I wouldn't look forward too much though,
>	you guys loose some very key players I understand.  Well, Roll on
>	and I'm sure our paths will cross again.  8^)
>
>	BTW- "we" don't have the Heisman, Gino somebody has it.
>		Bama has the MNC, which most would agree is worth
>		alot more !!!  Roll Tide !!


Yup, the MNC is worth tons more.  To be honest I was planning on a good
game, but a poor performance by Gino.  When I was a freshman at UM Steve
Walsh was being booed until he won at FSU (my personal "greatest game
ever").  After that everyone there knew we could pull out any game
because of our QB, not despite him as happened a few times this year. 
Don't get me wrong, though, I think Gino is one of the best college QB's
this year based on game to game performance, but I never had the
confidence in him that I had in Walsh.

As for the losing of key players, we have been cleaned out before
(example: after the '86 season) so we don't worry about players leaving. 
Besides, when they all go to the Cowboys I can still root for them!!! (: 
(:

FRANK
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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Citrus Bowl thoughts
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:55:21 GMT

In article <DOEL.93Jan4094513@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>A couple of reflections on the Buckeyes loss in the Citrus Bowl:
>
>1. Early on, it looked like another game without much emotion.  Fortunately,
>they seemed to turn it around late in the first quarter or this game would
>have been a blowout.

agreed.

>2. Kirk Herbstreit was a dud.  I don't know what happened between the end of
>November and January 1, but it wasn't good for Kirk.  His throws were off
>all day and he didn't seem to be showing the type of leadership (e.g.

i don't know that i'd put it all in kirk's lap.  stablein had several
dropped passes before he was injured - this was most unusual.

>3. Why the play-action pass?  Georgia had just scored a go ahead touchdown

the play-action on 3rd and 10 was a hold-over from the earle bruce days :-)

>All in all, I thought Ohio State had a pretty mediocre day.  The first

yah.  congrats to GA, but IMHO TOSU has played better.  

drew 
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Someone please explain this to me...
Date: 4 Jan 1993 22:30:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Robert Smith, who once quit the Ohio State football team because it
interfered with his studies, has declared himself eligible for the NFL
draft, foregoing his junior and senior years.

GT
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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  5 Jan 1993 11:41 EST  

In article <1993Jan4.181959.9203@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes...
>Minutes ago, Washington State junior QB Drew Bledsoe announced that he
>will indeed make himself eligible for the upcoming NFL draft.  With a
>somewhat shaky voice, he first enumerated the reasons for staying and
>for leaving:
> 
>For staying                          For leaving
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>College life                         Challenge of next level
>Chance for records/awards            Risk of college injury
>Give something back to school        Will certainly be drafted very highly
>$ should be same either year         Good 2nd string QB in Pattinson (won't be
>  (esp. with new NFL ruling)           leaving team w/nothing, and Pattinson
>                                       will get his chance now)
Um, Education?
College Degree?


Let him go.  Universities don't need minor leaguers, they need student-
athletes.

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From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:56:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.143216.617@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>Will someone please post the AP Top 25?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brian

I guess most Bama fans are busy woofing their hearts out and Canes fans
are so embarrassed that they've probably unsubscribed this newsgroup.
Others may keep away from rsfc for a while to avoid the deafing noise
from Bama fans. Well, I'm still here just to learn how to woof in English.
:-) So let me help.

Final AP Top 25

 1. Alabama (62)     13-0-0   1,550
 2. Florida St.      11-1-0   1,470
 3. Miami            11-1-0   1,410
 4. Notre Dame       10-1-1   1,375
 5. Michigan          9-0-3   1,266   (Woof!)
 6. Syracuse         10-2-0   1,209
 7. Texas A&M        12-1-0   1,167
 8. Georgia          10-2-0   1,159
 9. Stanford         10-3-0   1,058
10. Florida           9-4-0     931
11. Washington        9-3-0     892
12. Tennessee         9-3-0     819
13. Colorado          9-2-1     818
14. Nebraska          9-3-0     771
15. Washington St.    9-3-0     618
16. Mississippi       9-3-0     583
17. N. Carolina St.   9-3-1     582
18. Ohio St.          8-3-1     493
19. North Carolina    9-3-0     491
20. Hawaii           11-2-0     354
21. Boston College    8-3-1     314
22. Kansas            8-4-0     183
23. Mississippi St.   7-5-0     167
24. Fresno St.        9-4-0     124
25. Wake Forest       8-4-0     107

-- Chien-Chung Chen
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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Dallas Morning Enqui--- 'er News
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:49:49 GMT

hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:

>In article <C0pDFx.A6F@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>What?  Hasn't any of you heard that the DMN published another story about
>>Greg Hill?  He supposedly worked the week that A&M was preparing for 
>>Florida State in last years Cotton Bowl...  Not only that, but he 
>>supposedly worked 2 different jobs!!!  Of course this was front page
>>news for the DMN, not so in many other local papers.  It seems that 
>>some of the other papers in the state are kinda taking what the DMN
>>says with a grain of salt.  The article in the Houston Chronicle this
>>weekend had a kind of guarded wording.  I have heard that one of the
>>San Antonio papers was the same.  Anyone else see anything about the 
>>DMN article in any of the other Texas papers.
>>
>>Beat the Hell outta the Dallas Morning News!!!
>>

>Shoot the messenger??

	NO!! I'd prefer shooting some editors and "reporters" at the
DMN who have too great a dedication to fiction selling newspapers and
harming your football enemies.

					soONEr bred!!!,
					      --Sid


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Marvin Jones to NFL
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1993Jan6.040421.5481@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:41:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.040421.5481@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:

   In article <1993Jan5.144901.14753@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
   >Well folks at FSU (not Fresno State), your precious Marvin

   *SIGH* We'll miss him.

   >Jones is gone.  Hopefully your defense will be able to back up
   >that Number One ranking which it will have at the beginning of

   What number one ranking? 'Bama will be number one next year.

Thats twice you've said that, so I guess your not joking.  I thought the
strength of Bama was all going to the pros, i.e. Teague, Curry, & Copeland.
Who is left?

Bill
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Roger's conference rankings--corrected
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:14 EST  

A couple of people pointed out that I had Utah St and UTEP in the wrong 
conferences, so here are some corrections.  I'll provide the whole list 
again as a special favor to a certain Michigan fan who thinks strength of 
schedule doesn't matter.

CONFERENCE		AVG TEAM WEIGHT
----------		---------------
PAC-10				1.40
ACC				1.33
SEC				1.28
Big East			1.14
Big 10				1.09
Big 8				1.04
SWC				1.03
WAC				.97
MAC				.74
Big West			.63

We might argue about the first four, but I think we can probably all agree 
on the order of the last six.

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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND not worthy
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:06:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan4.150929.7192@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <C0C25G.7t0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris
>Brandt) writes:
>>Gee, I thought Notre Dame was not a worthy opponent
>>of Texas A&M; but what was I thinking?  I would think
>>if Notre Dame was not worthy then at least Texas A&M
>>would beat the Irish, or at least score a touchdown.
>
>I thought you would have known by now that no one thought ND was not a worthy
>opponent, except for NBC and you. ND was a worthy opponent and should be glad
>they had a chance against the #4 team in the nation instead of going against
>the 11th ranked team. Aggies got beat, and bad. So life goes on. Stop gloating.

  This is deja vu of the season before- when Notre Dame faced the Gators
in the Sugar Bowl, and at the time ND was ranked #15 or something like that
while the Gators were in the top-5.  Everyone was saying ND wasn't worthy 
to go to that bowl, that the only reason they were going was because of
their name, etc.  

  Well, we all know that they beat the Gators bad in that bowl game,
much like A&M was beat this year.  I used to rag on Notre Dame but have 
since stopped this season.  They are not a number one team, but they could 
beat any number one team on a given day.  They play tough when it counts 
and it's always a show when they come.  That's why they play on New Year's 
day, and will probably continue to so for many years to come.

  Doug
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 107--final
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:23:05 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) wrote:
}
}Your system has some obvious flaws.....Washington is not better
}than Michigan in any sense this year. The game didn't prove
}it nor did their records. 3 losses - no losses, it's a simple
}concept. Stanford is not better than Michigan either.....
}3 losses - no losses, it's a simple concept.

True - judging teams by record alone completely outside of
context is a simple concept.  It's also not a very good way
to tell the strength of college teams since the quality of
opposition can vary so much.  Roger has therefore tried a
more *complex* rather than simple method, to incorporate *who*
is played and how close the games are, etc.  It's no doubt 
imperfect, but at least more thought has gone into it than
your "Win = good, loss = bad." concept.

}How can you put Florida State ahead of Miami? Miami played a
}tougher schedule ... 

Miami most certainly did not play a tougher schedule than Florida
State.  Florida State played more bowl teams (6 vs. 5), more
top 25 teams (6 vs. 3), and more winning teams (7 vs. 5). 
By what measure do you rate Miami's schedule tougher than
Florida State's?

}                     won all their games until the end of season,
}and (for Christ's sake you morons) beat Florida State.

... and Stanford beat Notre Dame (handily), should Stanford be
ahead of Notre Dame?  Michigan tied Illinois, so how can Illinois
be rated so much lower than Michigan?  No one can produce a set
of rankings which have all teams ranked higher than every team
they beat - it simply can't be done.

}You need to get your head out of your ass......

Charming.  I suspect we'll be able to hear the !POP! down here
in Georgia if you should happen to remove yours.

-- 
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               now what do you think about that?"
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From: kollur@aix.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: 'Bama in the computer rankings
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:14:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.171511.7529@b11.b11.ingr.com> guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>
>    This truely amazes me.  *None* of the computer rankings had Alabama above
>about #5 until they massacred miami.  At least, none that I saw.  I don't put 
>much weight in them anyway.  While computers are great at crunching raw numbers,
>they cannot take such human factors as emotion, tradition, preparation, etc. into
>consideration and, as anyone who has played the game can attest, these
>intangibles are often the most important.  I did note that *none* of the various
>"systems" predicted Alabama to win over Miami except Chris Stassen's.  So much
>for the worth of computer rankings...

Well, The New York Times ranking had Alabama preseason #1. They did not post
any rankings till the end of september and by then 'Bama had dropped to
#4, I think. Towards the end of the season 'Bama did reach the number #1
spot once or twice but lost the spot to Miami (I think). They were #2
going into the bowl games and are now #1 by a significant margin.
The Times ranking , IMO, seems closer to the polls then other computer
rankings because the Times considers opponents record only till the
point they play a given team, i.e. If you play a 5-0 Penn State team in Week 6
you get a lot of credit for it even if Penn State goes on to lose 5 of
their next seven. How your opponents do after they play you will not affect
your ranking, which is the same philosophy adopted by most voters in the
AP and other polls. This is my understanding of how the poll works.
If I am wrong, feel free to correct me. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
See, I am a humble 'Bama fan!!!!!!!
Ramana
Roll Tide!

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From: lein@cat.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: TV Ratings (was: Big 10 Review)
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:39:54 GMT

In article <randall.726287245@moose>, randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
> >mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> >>I also don't follow the logic that a playoff system would get better
> >>TV ratings.  If an undisputed MNC game of #1 vs. #2 draws poor
> >>ratings, why should we expect playoffs to do any better?
> 
> 
> Why didn't the Sugar Bowl move the game to January 2?  They could
> have had the game on Saturday night with no other game on opposite
> to it.  This is what the Fiesta Bowl did in '87 when they had
> #1 Miami play #2 Penn State.
> 
> There are too many games on New Year's Day now.


If I remember correctly, the Fiesta Bowl did this to lure the Canes from
for the Citrus Bowl (which also wanted the Mia-PSU matchup).  Kind of glad
they did, basically it would have given the canes yet another home game 
for the championship.

John L
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