HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sebri@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Doris L. Britton)
Subject: Re: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Date:  7 Jan 1993 13:41 EST  

In article <1993Jan3.221140.25668@tpg.tpg.oz.au>, ggt@tpg.tpg.oz.au (Glenn Trigg) writes...
>Testing outgoing news.
>Please reply if you see this (don't bother if you don't).
Yup, I've seen it and I'm testing my reply.


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From: pete@wvus.org (Pete Gregory)
Subject: ignore
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 20:35:03 GMT

ignore.
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From: hl7204@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu (Huynh Van Le)
Subject: My test
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Date: 5 Jan 93 07:52:27 GMT


Y U want to NO ?
From: charles@OIT.PeachNet.EDU (Charles D. Menser)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: Test of news link
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:51:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PeachNet
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Checking a news link.

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From: newsrdr_mrs@esvxt2.es.dupont.com
Subject: test cluster alias
Reply-To: newsrdr_mrs@esvxt2.es.dupont.com
Organization: Du Pont
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:47:44 GMT

Why an alias?  Nobody wants to know the real name.
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: world-wide test
Date: 7 Jan 1993 11:07:28 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu

Just one last check to be sure that everything's ok after
installing INN.  (Hi Mom!)

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From: david.clark@analog.com
Subject: test to ignore
Originator: dclark@borg
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:26:54 GMT

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From: an5269@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: TEST
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Still a test.
Boring, huh?
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From: uwjc@pool.info.sunyit.edu (William Cromp)
Subject: test
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:42:49 GMT

This is a test of the abilities of the automated return systems.

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From: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News)
Subject: Test from mot.com
Reply-To: news@ftpbox.mot.com
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: il
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:26:05 GMT

This is a test.  The distribution of this shouldn't
go far, as we only want to test the first few hops
on our newsfeed.  Replies should be sent to the Reply-To
address and not the Sender address.

Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:39:47 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

 
 I frequently get called all sorts of names for being less 
 than enthusiastic about our so-called "multicultural 
 society".  Here is a good example of the blessing it brings 
 to our once peaceful country.....
 
    HIALEAH, Fla. (AP) -- A woman was killed by a stray 
 bullet moments after she warned her son to stay inside and 
 her husband to shut the door to avoid the gunfire that is a 
 New Year's tradition here.
 
    Maria Fernandez was killed at 12:03 a.m. Friday by a 
 bullet that tore through a barely opened window, passed 
 through a lamp shade and hit her in the heart, police said.
  
   Firing guns to celebrate the new year is customary in 
 Hispanic communities from Los Angeles to this Miami suburb. 
 Random deaths and injuries from the gunfire are not 
 uncommon.
 
    Police in Hialeah say they halt patrols and seek shelter 
 right before midnight.   "Everyone who has worked here a 
 while knows to take cover," said Hialeah homicide detective 
 Lorenzo Trujillo. "You have thousands of people shooting at
 the same time all over town."
 .............
 
 To believe that multiculturalism somehow improves our 
 society is just plain liberal mush.  What sort of blessing 
 is it to force our police officers to hide from "Hispanic" 
 barbarians when they should be out on the streets?
 
 js
 
 

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From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: STATUE OF IMMIGRATION
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:18:26 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <C0IKz3.3G9@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|>  
|>  ...over-populated and under-skilled society in America today.
|>  

What makes you say that America is over-populated? How much people should
there be in America before it's 'full'?

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Xref: sparky misc.headlines:7459 talk.politics.misc:67169 alt.conspiracy:13953
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:54:07 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
 <93006.113603U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <C0Gw40.DFr@ddsw1.mcs.com>

NOTE: In my last reply to Jack "Amateurish Rhetoric Forum" Schmidling's current
posting on this thread,I incorrectly identified a certain incomplete sentence
of his. Here's the correct one underlined:

In article <C0Gw40.DFr@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) says:

>I am afraid that you are creating a stereotype by casting me as some sort
>of racist bigot because I bring up a subject that you disagree with.
>
>The simple truth is that I have no problem with other cultures, even
>disgusting
>ones as long as there is enough space so they do not bump into each other and
>create friction.  As the population of the country/world grows the shortage
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

....and that's how the post ends. Period.

_Now_ are you satisfied as to why I included that "......." in my reply,
Jack?

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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:41:49 GMT

>You're right, Jack.  Go back where you came from.  We don't need you,
>you wretched refuse.  All you do is bring misery.

>I think I'm going to put that one in my .sig file.  "It's time to send
>the Statue of Liberty somewhere else."
                        
Beautiful!  And yet, so true... JS comes here from South Africa
(that renowned haven of enlightenment [?]), becomes an American
citizen (he DID, right?... he's not just visiting?  I'd hate to
think we're being lectured on American values by a non-citizen),
and THEN says "we're full up!"

Man, that's rich... I guess we had room for just ONE more, and
good old Jack took the space...

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From: harry@hershele.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:21:03 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Organization: DEC - Customer Support Center, Alpharetta, GA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

<U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

	Aside from the fact that "and confused are they all"
	is an utterly ungrammatical phrase....

Strictly speaking, the phrase above is grammatically correct, but
awkward.


In article <C0IL3K.3KG@ddsw1.mcs.com>,
arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) defends himself:

	I like it and whether or not it is "ungrammatical",
	it is proper English.

A sentence that is grammatically incorrect cannot possibly be proper
English, by definition.


f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

	It is strange how Jack's "ungrammatical" sentence structure
	is found over and over again in Louis Lamour's novels.

Not so strange considering both are writing fiction!


	Of course Lamour was one of the best selling authors we have
	ever had.

A title previously held by Mickey Spillane.


	The American people seem to like this "pretentious"
	style since Lamour sold how many books?...  64 million?

Not to mention that he is required reading in how many universities?


	[oops, pardon my lack of proper grammar].

There is absolutely nothing wrong with your grammar.  I believe the
punctuation is not quite correct, but the ideas come across simply
and clearly.


	Why is it that when people run short on logic they start
	nitpicking grammar and typooooos?

The topic under discussion here is American culture and its roots.
As Mr. Schmidling has set himself up as a defender of pure American
culture against the incursions of alien elements, it seems only fair
to question his credentials.

In other words, it is no wonder that Mr. Schmidling has trouble with
other cultures as he has more than enough trouble with his own!

Harry Katz
Xref: sparky misc.headlines:7398 talk.politics.misc:66427 alt.conspiracy:13776
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:36:02 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
 <C0F1II.I25@ddsw1.mcs.com>

In article <C0F1II.I25@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) says:
>
>In article <93004.154249U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
>>society?
>>
>>Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
>>celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
>>cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?

>First of all, it was the AP that called it a Hispanic tradition.  I only
>pointed out that we would be better off if it had stayed in Hispania.

Tell me when you find a country called "Hispania" on the map,Jack.

>I have no problem with understanding other cultures, I just don't wish
>to import them into this country.

Oh,please. That has absolutely _nothing_ to do with your statement that
implies all Hispanics are "barbarians" because of one suspicious tradition.

If you're so adamant about the importation of supposedly alien cultures
into American society,tell me this-since a good deal of the (European)
ethnic diversity of this country occured because of immigration during
the 19th and early-20th centuries,how come our precious social stability
didn't whither away _then_,if the importation of non-Anglo Saxon cultures
is such a bad thing?

Likewise,what about immigrants from China,Vietnam or Korea? If I remember
correctly,these groups are less prone to violence than even native-born
US citizens for the most part and obtain a higher degree of education
than even "white" ethnic groups,to boot. Do they fit into your stereo-
type?

>The one tragic incident was the result of thousands of individual acts
>of barbarism, anyone of which could have ended the same way.

You still haven't detailed how one incident justifies your slandering of
an entire ethnic group as "barbarians".

>Time to take your liberal head out of the sand and quit making excuses
>for a bad idea.

Correction: Take _your_ head out of your ass and look around. If you're
going to resort to stereotyping,I'll continue to stereotype _you_ as a
hateful little moron who types up thought-free posts solely due to the
fact that your stupidity is only matched by your degree of half-assed
moralizing towards anyone who doesn't fit your deluded norm of "civilized
behavior",such as it is.

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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: STATUE OF IMMIGRATION
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:45:09 GMT

In article <C0IKz3.3G9@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|>  
|>  We have enough of our own wretched refuse;
 
 In case you hadn't noticed, Schmidling, you are pretty wretched yourself.

|>  It's time to take down the help wanted sign.  

 I'd rather have twenty immigrants move onto _my_ block than one Jack Schmidling.
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From: graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:39:59 GMT

In article <C0F1II.I25@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <93004.154249U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
>>society?
>>
>>Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
>>celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
>>cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?
>
>
>First of all, it was the AP that called it a Hispanic tradition.  I only
>pointed out that we would be better off if it had stayed in Hispania.
>
>I have no problem with understanding other cultures, I just don't wish
>to import them into this country.

Damn, better sell Florida back to Spain. 

As a friend of mine from New Mexico says: "We didn't come to the US,
the US came to us." If you've lived somewhere for centuries, and another
group comes along and imposes a government, should you really be expected
to change your culture to match theirs? No, you shouldn't. Then why should
the Hispanics in the US be expected to change?

Therefore, the US will always and should always be a multicultural state.

Bear in mind, it's very likely that Puerto Rico will try to gain statehood
by the end of the century. They're officially Spanish-speaking, and that's
not going to change. The English Only partisans should really have fun with
this.
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:39:55 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1993Jan6.101755.1909@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In <C0F1II.I25@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>In article <93004.154249U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>>>be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
>>>society?
>
>>>Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
>>>celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
>>>cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?
>
>>First of all, it was the AP that called it a Hispanic tradition.  I only
>>pointed out that we would be better off if it had stayed in Hispania.
>
>Where?


Just about as silly as African-American isn't it?  All black people are
from Africa according to Sister Solja.  She is an African child but so
is De Klerk and confused are they all.


>It's sort of odd to say "other" cultures when you live in the United
>States, since there isn't a native culture here at all.  Virtually *all*
>of the culture in this country was imported.


If you deny the existance of "other" cultures, than you deny the existance
of multiculturalism, which happens to be the subject of this thread.

js
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:02:50 GMT

The really refreshing thing about dealing with Arf is that he makes no
bones about his bigotry -- although he _does_ deny that's what it is.
I love this line:

arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

>I have no problem with understanding other cultures, I just don't wish
>to import them into this country.

Jack, you might be surprised to know that there are some of us who
believe that the real value in "this country" is that it is not a
monoculture, that it is one of the few places in the world in which the
entire concept is that a whole lot of different people can co-exist --
with a little effort on everyone's part.  

You ever go out for Chinese food, Jack? or Italian? or Polish? or maybe
listen to a little Rhythm & Blues? or opera? or Los Lobos?

But just think, Jack, the Indians probably feel the same way about you.

--Jeff Frane

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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Summary: Hardly a valid argument
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:06:41 GMT

In article <C0IL3K.3KG@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>  >From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
>  
>  >So when *wasn't* the "bucket full"?  There isn't a single argument
>  against immigration today that I haven't seen in books written
>  in the 1970's, the 50's the 20's the 1800's. 
>  
>  That's like telling a person dying of thirst, who is begging for water, that 
>  his argument has already been presented and he is still alive, so stop 
>  worrying.
>  
>  All the wishfull thinking in the world will not halt the pressures of our 
>  population explosion and all the evils that this creates.
>  

So what you're saying is that the bucket was full a hundred years
ago and no one else should have been let in, including my grandparents,
and YOU.  The bucket was not full then, and I hardly think it's
full now.  There are parts of the country that are crowded and
there are parts that are not.

The funny thing about people on the right is that I've seen the
same people put forward the same two arguments:

1)  All this stuff about "population explosion" is false and
    "gloom and doom" stuff.  Why we could all fit into Texas and
    still feed ourselves like kings.

2)  America is full up and we can't let anyone else in - especially`
    if their skin isn't white.


marc colten


Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS)
Subject: What about Iraq
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:13:37 GMT

	I can't believe that there has been no mention of the
recent Iraqi developments in this group. We're talking about going
to war again. If this isn't mentioned in misc.headlines then what
is this group for?

Garrett@Ingres.com
From: v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: RE: INDIA AND AFGHANISTAN
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The result of the Indian governments' expulsion of all foreign press from
Kashmir has been nothing short of a success from an Indian point of view.
There are no checks on their biased and blatantly wrong reporting, and it is
taken as given that whatever comes out of India's press reports on Kashmir is
true. Unfortunately, that is the farthest thing from the truth. Journalists who
have made it to Kashmir and back alive have done so covertly and without and
aid from the government of India. Even with the present conditions in the
Occupied Lands and that of Bosnia, the press seems to function properly.

It is a disgrace to peoples of all civilized lands that the world's so - called
"largest democracy" is allowed to engage in such criminal and dastardly
behavior as to the extent in Kashmir. When did democracies start banning
foreign journalists? And when did they also put the squeeze on electronic
media?  It is the misfortune of those innocent Kashmiris being slaughtered that
the rest of the world is ignorant of their plight. It should be the duty of all
those associated with the press to band together and bring some force on the
government of India to allow open and unbiased reporting, along with access to
the innocents who are suffering daily.

Edward Gargan's recent piece in the New York Times' Sunday Magazine was a
brilliant depiction of the current situation. Unfortunately, not much attention
can be gained from a piece that is not on the front pages every day. Let us
hope that in the future the press will aid the struggle in Kashmir by reporting
to the world the whole story of the Kashmiri Freedom Movement.



Sareer A. Fazili 
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