From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Templars not Masons <was: Re: Who/what is Baphomet?>
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:52:27 GMT

In article <2AA2D891.25314@orion.oac.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>People say the same thing about Paganism and witchcraft, and they are
>right.  They basic ideas go back to paleolithic culture.
>
>But, they sure ain't the same! 

Ain't that the truth. ;-) But I'd always heard that it was Alexander who
founded the basic Masonic order.

>>I will admit to not having studied Masonry, but this is what I've
>>heard. I will await further additions to this thread eagerly. The Masons
>>have always intrigued me.
>
>I'm kind of interested, too.  I've evidently not given them enough
>mental air time; they always seemed a little like Fred Flintstone's
>Loyal Order of Water Buffalos.  Seems I'm due for a reality check, huh?
>(I've also heard things about how they are closely related to the
>Mormons.)

Mormons related to Masons? Now that scares the hell out of me. I've known
many Mormons, and while on the surface they're very nice, there's a very
spooky quality underneath. Especially those who are most active in the
church. To be fair I haven't known (that I'm aware of) any Masons, and so
I can't say if the same quality is there. I've always seen Masons as rather
benign and benificent. Take the Children's Hospitle for example. They don't
seem to segregate except where it directly concerns their rites. This is
true of many religions where the actual rites are concerned. I went to a
Greek Orthodox wedding once and the priest disappeared into a little room
behind the alter for awhile. Noone else is allowed in. But the Mormons,
they segregate everyone not a Mormon every day. They even segregate their
own if they feel that one is not performing to the church's standards.

First they have a mandatory ten percent tithe of your salary. They don't
take it, but expect you to do that. They also will use this to get their
people into higher paying jobs so the tithe is bigger. The bigger the tithe,
the better you are in the eyes of the church. And what they do to women is
as criminal as rape. At least rape can be fought legally. I heard an instance
where a bishop of the church got on TV in Salt Lake City once and denounced
women who work, saying they should be home rasing their husband's children
and generally making the home better for the husband. The next Monday saw
a tremendous exodus of women from the workplace in SLC. Just because the
bishop said it was God's word. They also tell women that everyone has a
secret scared name that they will have in heaven. The men know theirs when
they die, but the women don't. The men they were married to in life supposedly
know them and the women have to seek them out in heaven in order to live
with them again and stay in heaven.

Here's another scary thing to think about. Morton Thiokol, the makers of
the O-rings that failed on the Challenger, is in Utah. At the time of the
Challenger disaster, there were two factions of old school Mormons feuding
in the plant. Each had it's own prophet (these supposedly are spoken to by
God directly). One prophet was supposed to be getting more work out of his
team by promising them more wives (yes, polygamy is alive and well in Utah).
Also, Morton Thiokol had initiated an incentive program that made it better
for your particular team to come out ahead by making the others come out
behind. There were instances of O-rings being overbaked and some even found
with slices in them. I don't have the documentation on this, so don't ask
for it. Believe it or not, as you will. I cannot trust a Mormon.

Forewarned is a Hindu god.

Bb,

Corun

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