Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
From: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:09:05 GMT
Organization: Telerama
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EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu wrote:
: In article <1993Jan19.231454.22932@telerama.pgh.pa.us>
: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader) writes:
:  
: >EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu wrote:
: >: >: Smart producers use anything that will get the job done.
: >: >:True but using something that is made for people who want to "mess around
: >: >with sound" can hardly be something that will "get the job done".
: >: "Da, Da, Da" was recorded with a Casio VL-tone. I rest my case. :)
: >: True, but it was a dedicated synth. It was made to do music.
:  
: And it fits the description of "something that is made for people who want
: to 'mess around with sound'".
Correct, and a good example of what I mean.   
: >: >: Prove it. :
: >: >I don't have to, ready the zines, I don't recall one producer ever saying
: >: >he did such and such song on a computer with Soundblaster. Tell ya what,
: >: >find me a song that was done on a Soundblaster or Amiga and has been
: >: >pressed up om vinyl.
:  
: The Squigg Man already proved it.
: Drn added further validity to the argument.
2 Amigos to do what one out dated EPS can do easily. Wow, talk about a
waste of money.
: >Sure but most producers use mostly a computer sequencing program and a
: >good DEDICATED sampler.
:  
: As do I, but why be anal-retentve? If the computer can do the job equally
: well, why not use it?
If I had one I probably would use it. FOR SEQUENCING! NOT SAMPLING.

: >I expiriment alot, especially with old analog equipment. When I get a
 >sound I like I sample it. INTO A MIDI SAMPLER not some SHIT COMPUTER.
:  
: That's your loss. ;-)
So YOU think... ;)  
: >: ........................................ Hi-cost recordings might do
: >: wonders for the linings of studio owner's pockets, but I see no point
: >: to impose a sonic fascism on myself. I like dirty sounding techno when
: >: it's done well. Why sample at 44Khz when the source is a lazer gun toy
: >: with a pre-recorded sample with a rate of 6Khz? I can't see a reason.
: >To reproduce it exactly as you hear it thats why. I don't sample at 44.1
: >Khz all the time, I use the Nyquist frequency as a guide line. If you
: >don't know what that is
:  
: I know. Can I have a cookie now? :)
Yes, here, Oreo's or Chips Ahoy?
: >its double the highest frequency you are sampling,
: >for instance if you were sampling an opern hi-hat or a crash cymbal that
: >had a frequency of 18-22 Khz you ou would want to sample it somewhere
: >between 36-44 Khz. Understand? I wouldn't sample an 808 Kick at 44.1 since
: >there is no reason to. Its not that high in frequency to warrant such.
:  
: Then you'll miss all those nifty upper partials, dude! :)
: I like kicks with some *bite*! :-[
I said an *808 Kick* There are very few if any upper partials.
: Hey, I sample stuff at loooow sampling rates to get a grungy sound.
: I'll run stuff through guitar amps, fuzz boxes, micro-cassettes...
: So sue me. I like noise! Listen to "The difference between noise and music"
: by DHS and write me back.
Hmmm, true but alot of noise is just noise and is liked because it is noise.
: >: >:Well I didn't intend to flame, just start a discussion on MIDI techno
: >: >Since you use MIDI why don't you tell me what your setup is and I'll do
: >: >likewise.
: >: OK, You go first. :)
: >Rather than brag I will say I have a modest bedroom studio that includes
: >an Ensoniq sampler, a TR-909, an analog synth with MIDI an 8 channel
: >mixer, and many other toys.                                               :
:  
: I work with a friend and between us, we too have an Ensoniq sampler and
: a Kawai XD-5 and Km-5, Oberheim DX, Yamaha FB-01, Casio CZ-101 and MT240,
: Sequential Multitrak, Mackie 1202, a couple effects processors & numerous
: other toys, not to mention a Mac, PC, and assorted tape decks. We record
: in either the bedroom or livingroom depending on who's apartment we're at.:)
Not bad. Asside from my mentioned stuff I have a Kawai K3 Analog with
MIDI, a DX100 which I sample for really distorted tones. A Roland SH-101
which I use for some sounds and fool with live. I could get a MIDI to CV
converter to sequence stuff with the 101 but I would rather twiddle with
it live. It adds an air of unpredictability.
BTW: Which Ensoniq sampler do you have? The EPS, the 16+, the Mirage or ASR10?

: I wish I had some *really* old synth gear like the Arp 2600. I'd sample it,
: play it live (twiddling knobs & switches), and hook it up to midi.
Try and get a Roland 101, they are usually cheap, (under $200).
  
: No rules.
  
: >>I think you can figure out why most people opt for making MODS
: >: They do it because it's convenient, and the sound is pretty good.
: ...
: >: ............................................. That's not to say that
: >: I couldn't do the same with an expensive sampler, but I'd rather spend
: >: my money on CDs, Pizza, Pepsi, tape, toys, and other things necessary
: >: to making good Techno! :)
: >:  I like your attitude however if you really want your stuff to smoke you
: >should consider using a dedicated sampler. A good one will cost around
: >1000 dollars but I am sure you can get that by saving your pizza, pepsi,
: >rave, club, and toy money.
:  
: Got one. Rave? Club? Ha! You haven't read too many of my posts.
Guess not..
  
: >...... The reason that everyone wants a TB303 is because of the widespread
: >publicity of what they are and they amount of killer techno used making
: >them. If I sayed my analog synth with MIDI emulated a 303 rather well then
: >the price of it would go up as well and they
: >(because they aren't produced anymore) would also
: >become hard to find.
:  
: Yeah but does it generate random basslines when you take the batteries
: out? :)
The Kawai K3 has a random LFO that will do just that. (It doesn't take
batteies though). The Kawai K3 is the best 303 emulater I have found to date.
Now watch the price soar through the roof.                          
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu  "I'm the Inman   
And I'm keen : Detroit, Michigan  USA     I've a mind    Like a machine"
-- 
Let the bass kick...