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From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: hypocrisy of zionism (was Re: 7642)
Date: 1 Jan 93 02:47:12 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Dec29.205623.21746@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>
>>the philosophy of zionism did not specify jews as a religious
>>community but as a racial community.
> 
> Jews are not a race, Jews are a People.
> You can be born a Jew, or Convert.
> I was born Jewish.  My girlfriend Converted.
> We will be Israeli citizens and live in Israel.

which brings me back to my original point. the religious definition of a jew is
one who believes in the religion and practices mosaic law. if that is the case,
then you can not even say that half the people in israel can be allowed
citizenship. if you want to go with the zionist definition, one who is of
jewish ancestry (no precondition of being that on either the mother's side or
father's side) then you must include the palestinians both inside israel, and
in the occupied lands as israeli citizens becaus there is not question that
they are of jewish ancestry, and i state again that they, whether they are
muslims or christians are more pure jews than the european invaders.

> 
> 
> [
>  To vote in the U.S. you have to be a U.S. citizen.  You can either be
>  born in the U.S. or become naturalized.  Native Indians who were on
>  the land when the U.S. was made independent were eventually made
>  citizens.
> 
>  To vote in israel you have to be an israeli citizen.  you either have
>  to be born a jew or become one.  Arabs who stayed in israel in 1948
>  also are Israeli citizens and can vote.
> 
>  The U.S. doesn't allow other indian tribes outside the U.S. to
>  vote, and neither does Israel.
> ]
>

look man do not talk to me about american indians because you will open up a
potential can of worms about that in hte compare and contrast with how american
indians were being mistreated compared to how even palestinians who are citizen
of israel are treated. you talk about voting and all of that. think back to the
60's here in this wonderful country that you are in, carasso. the name of the
game in israel, carasso, is apartheid. no ifs, ands, or buts about it. here is
another magic word for you. hypocrisy, the zionist philosophy is good for peter
but not for paul. why so? 

zafar
From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Chestitka
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:53:44 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Against ...
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 19:06:58 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Stanislav S. Todorov pishe v otgovor na moj posting:

"What about the 700 000 turks that left Bulgaria ...".

Izliza che Bulgaria e "dyadovata rqkavichka" za turci.  Prez 1968 godina

turcite zaedno s ciganite byaha ne poveche ot 350 000.  Imashe nyakolko

izselvania sled tova.  Spomnyam si che na edin izselnicheski vlak bilo

napisano "Zaminavame s vlakove, shte se vqrnem s tankove".  Prez 1989

zapadnite midii sqobshtiha za golyama grupa ot 350 000 ekskurzianti

ot Bqlgaria letuvashti na palatki v Turcia.  Izglezhda che povecheto ot

letovnicite sa se vqrnali, zashtoto povecheto ot zapadnite iztochnici

citirat 10% ot naselenieto na Bqlgaria Tursko, t.e. 900 000 turci.

Izliza che Bqlgaria e izvor na turci.  Neprekqsnato napuskat i vse poveche

stavat.  Predi padaneto na stenata, Zapaden Berlin beshe naj-golemiya turski

grad v Evropa.  Nyama da se uchudya ako sega sled poslednoto prebroyavane

Sofia da e bila recorda.

Ima li nyakoj rezultatite ot poslednoto prebroyavane v Bqlgaria???

P.S.

Minalata Sryada tuk v the USA byaha publikuvani rezultatite ot poslednoto

prebroyavane v the USA.  V razbivaneto na etnicheski background se okaza, che

naj-golyamata etnicheska grupa e na Germancite pochti 1/4 ot naselenieto e

deklariralo Nemsko proizhozhdenie.  Sled tyah sa Irlandcite.  Anglicanite sa


edva 8-mi.  Vseki 10-ti e Afrikanec (Cheren).  Vseki 17 e Italianec
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Subject: Re: Milk price
Organization: Digital Systems
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:38:51 GMT

penev@venezia (Penio Penev) writes:
: You can in principle go to jail for possessing illegal currency more
: that BGL 100 (<USD 5). Ok, my info is 4 month stale.

I have no idea why someone loves so much the BGL 100 amount, but this
amount is the restriction for the value of any presents you send
abroad in a parcel. Of course, this is hardly observed.

But still... this remids me of the situation with the PTT regulations -
there is no list of "normalized" devices you can connect to your private
phone line, and nowhere it is said you are forbiden to, except, if you do
it by yourself, and not ask their "technician" to do it. In such cases
your actions can be considered illegal and your line cut without
warning. The troubles begin when you have to explan to the PTT technician
what a modem is (they already know what FAX is... good progress! :)

Amazing what discussion the Milk can bring.

Daniel
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: RFE/RL Dec. 28
Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:54:41 GMT
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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: BUYING BULGARIAN CURRENCY
Date: 22 Dec 1992 06:23:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Hi!  I am collecting foreign currencies.  If interested, please contact
robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu
(internet)
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Import/Export Research
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:07:37 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to Bulgaria? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: The number of gypsies
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:17:50 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

<ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>This is what YOU did to a country with 98% pure ethnic population by
>September 09, 1944, dear commrades.

What do you mean with ethnically pure? Bulgarians and Turks? Bulgarians
only? If the latter, where did all those Turks come from?

If there are 11% of Gypsies today's Bulgaria the percentage was
reasonably close to that in 1944 too, but I guess you thought
twice in those days before you declared yourself a Gypsy.

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: The number of gypsies
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 2 Jan 1993 20:10:07 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hi dear comrades:

Despite the communist's intrigue to identify all gypsies as turks or BG

mussulmen the world is not confused on the facts.  The magazine "Der Spiegel"

from September 07, 1992 posted on page 36 the number of the gypsies in Europe

Bulgaria is the third contributor to the rise of the gypsies' population

in Europe with 800,000 gypsies.  The first place is for Rumania with 2 millions

Second is exYugoslavia with 800,000 and third is "skqpata tatkovina" (bashtinia

na komunistite).
             ENTIRE POPULATION     GYPSIES        TO OTHER   GYPSY
RUMANIA      22,345,000            2,000,000        111.7  -   1

YUGOSLAVIA   21,560,000              800,000         26.9 -   1

BULGARIA      8,846,417              800,000         11.0 -   1

Bulgaria is for the book of Guinness.  The most gypsies per capita in Europe.

Every 11th is a gupsy.

This is what YOU did to a country with 98% pure ethnic population by

September 09, 1944, dear commrades.


By the way, have you gone to Bulgarian school (ne na Ruskoto uchilishte)

and have you read "Bulgaria ot staro vreme"?  If you have done so, remember

what Hadzhi Gencho did when Mango was baptized.  "Tenekiya bakqr ne stava"


There is something in Bulgaria beside the check you get from there dear

cammrades.  Another Bulgarian Petko Rachov Slavejkov in the mid of the last

century collected Bulgarian sayings and among them is "Stani da sedna az"

You guys thing this folk is dumb, but how they managed to predict the core

of the communism?

ps

Vqv vrqzka s poslednata pravitelstvena kriza i snoveneto na drugarya

Sharapov v Sofia, az predvizhdam sledniya sqstav na novoto pravitelstvo:

Minister predsedatel SLUSHKO SQVETSKI

Zamestnik   POSLUSH RUSKOV
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: lliu@engr
Subject: Try!
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:17:19 GMT

Excuss me but I am new to this group and want to learn how to post something.
From: opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: V stranata na belite lilii - Who knows the book?
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:40:29 GMT
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Dear fellow-netters,

A Bulgarian journalist
Grigori Petrov
wrote a century ago a book
"V stranata na belite lilii",
which was a description of
The Grand-Dutchy of Finland
and its culture within Russian
framework.

Does anybody or anybody's great
grandparents know the book? It
was published first time for a
century ago and had political
relevance although it is more
or less prosaistic.

Yours,

Olli
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Balkan political habits
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 10:13:05 PST


Plamen Bliznakov (bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu writes:

The chief of Bulgarian security (which is under presidential command)
gen. Brigadir (Brigo) Asparuhov and the spokesman of the Bulgarian president
Mr. Valentin Stoyanov were poisoned (not lethally, fortunatelly).

Too bad !

The two are recovering. An investigation was started.


    Why am I suddenly reminded of the story of how Bai Ganyo held an
election?  I vaguely recall rumors concerning the death of Lyudmilla
Zhivkova (officially reported to have slipped in the shower).

    I sincerely hope that conditions in Bulgaria do not deteriorate
further.

    Al Moore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: herkusut@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Herdarmadhi Kuswandito Utomo)
Subject: Need cyrillic util for window
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:10:59 GMT

Hi Friends....
I need (URGENT) cyrillic utility for window which run under 
WordPerfect or WinWord....
Please Help me. At February i have to send my Disertations and here
in Switzerland i can't find that utility....

For all your help i thank you so much


Iwan

ia92herd@htl02.htl-bw.ch
From: zlatev@an.isl.titech.ac.jp (Rossen Zlatev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Vesela Koleda
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:00:00 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Imaging Science and Engineering Lab., Tokyo Inst. of Tech., Japan


Vesela Koleda i Shtastliva Nova Godina!

na vsichki Vi.

Rossen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE)
Subject: prof.Ljuben BEROV: DPS-premier?
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:59:11 GMT


Snoshti v 20:30 (BG-vr.) prezidentqt Zh.ZhELEV vrqchil oficiyalno
prouchvatelen mandat za sqstavyane na pravitelstvo na
"sobstveniya" si sqvetnik po ikonomicheskite vqprosi prof. Lyuben
BEROV. Prof.BEROV (47 god.) e bil izbran ot DPS, sled kato
tyachniyat opit da bqde opredelen vzaimno (SDS s DPS) kandidat-
premier be provalen narochno ot SDS chrez kandidaturata na Jordan
SOKOLOV.

Prof.BEROV kazal, che samo sled 2-3 dni shtyal da predstavi
programnata deklaraciya, koyato nyamala da bqde "po-dyasna" ot
segashnata. Toj smyatal che shte e po-lesno da (se) sqstavi
pravitelstvo na "nacionalnata otgovornost" otkoloto edno
"ekspertno" pravitelstvo i spomenal, che bi bil ostavil Rumen?
BIKOV i Stoyan GANEV na segashnite im postove, no imal "mnogo
kritiki kqm Ivan KOSTOV" po profesionalni vqprosi.

NKS na SDS veche e obyavil, che vseki ot SDS, kojto smee da
podkrepi BEROV i negovoto pravitelstvo, shtyal da bqde izgonen vqn
ot SDS| No Georgi MARKOV smyata, che "takiva hora nyamat nikakvo
znachenie v SDS"|

OPT schita DPS za protivokonstitucionno i nyamalo da podkrepi
"negovoto predlozhenie".

Chavdar KYuRANOV (DPS/OSD) se izkaza pozitivno.

u maka go ckopo, B^agu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE)
Subject: J.SOKOLOV: oshte edin proval poveche...
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:59:11 GMT


Samo predi nyakolko chasa ot redovete na parlamentarnata grupa na SDS se
razbra, che DPS e otchvqrlilo (s 16 protiv 2 ili 3) alibi-kandidaturata na
"bezpartijniya" min.na _BP_ v ostavka Jordan SOKOLOV. Ne mi se vyarva, che
nyakoj seriozno se e sqmnyaval v tozi hod na DPS (a naj-malko vodeshtite v SDS).

Predi tova dnes Stefan GAJTANDZhIEV ot BG.Demokr.Centqr (BDC) se be veche
obyavil protiv tazi "kandidatura".

Sega DPS ima vse pak (malkata) teoreticheska vqzmozhnost da predstavi "sobstveno
ekspertno pravitelstvo "na nacionalnata otgovornost" i da se opita da nameri
podkrepa za nego pri tajno glasuvane v _HC_.

u OTHOBO go ckopo, B^agu
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Macedonian World Congress
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 



SAS Writes:
> 3) Macedonian was never a region of Greece. On the contrary, Greece
>    was often subject to Macedonia. In 1913, Greece and her Balkan
>    allies partitioned Macedonia, and if today a portion of
>    Macedonian belongs to Greece, it is by virtue of an illegal
                                                         ~~~~~~~
>    partition of the whole and occupation of a part of Macedonia.
     ~~~~~~~~~                  ~~~~~~~~~~


  So much for the claim by some that pseudo-"Macedonia" has no
territorial claims against Greece. All this talk of 'occupation' of
Macedonia by Greece is made for only one reason: To support claims
against Greece in the future.


Michael
From: chemae@jane.uh.edu (Todorov, Stanislav S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Against my better judgement [was RE: MILK PRICE]
Date: 22 Dec 1992 09:01 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <92356.191501ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes...
>AFTER I READ THE POSTING OF HRISTO FROM ISRAEL I FEEL THAT IT WON'T
> 
>BE BAD TO GIVE SOME CLARITY ON SOME ASPECTS OF MY POATINGS.

>  [ stuff deleted ]

>II. DESPITE THE FACT THAT FORMAL RIGHT TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY IS PROVIDED
> 
>BY THE LAW IN BULGARIA, PRACTICALLY IT IS ALMOST IMMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE THE
> 
>COUNTRY.   THE SAME RIGHT WAS IN FORCE SINCE BULGARIA SIGNED THE COVENTION
> 
>OF HELSINKI.

 Well, I guess this makes the 700 000 ethnic turks [estimated] who left 
 Bulgaria for Turkey _this_ year communists. 

>  [more stuff deleted]

> 
>AS LONG AS "BALKAN" IS CONCERNED, I HAVE NEVER HEARD FOR DIRECT FLIGHTS
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>TO NEW YORK AND TORONTO OF THIS COMPANY.  I THINK THAT UNTILL RECENTLY
> 
>"BALKAN" WAS FILED FOR BANCRUPCY AND ASSETS OF THE COMPANY WERE FRIESED
> 
>UNTILL PAYMENTS WERE MADE.  I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THEY WERE BOUGHT BY A
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>LAGRE GERMAN BANK AND THIS WAY "BALKAN" CAME ON THE WORLD AGAIN.  I THING
> 
>THE CREDITORS WILL MONITOR CLOSELY THEIR TRANSACTIONS NOW.

 Now why did I underline these segments?  

>  [more stuff deleted]

> 
>VII.  THE CRISIS IN BULGARIA HAS ONE GOOD SIDE THAT MOST OF SO CALLED
> 
>COMMUNIST ELIT LEFT THE COUNTRY.   TOVA BYAHA INFANTILNI IDIOTI SPOSOBNI SAMO
>NA EDNO DA SQZDAVAT IDIOTI.  GOSPOD NI OTTQRVA OT TYAH.
>

Formal logic teaches us that the contrapositive of a true statement is also
true; the same does not hold for its inverse and converse. 

> 
>HAYDE DA E NA HAYRLIYA PREZ NOVATA GODINA !!!
> 
>DA STOI BQLGARIA DALECH OT VOYNATA I PO BLIZKO DO EVROPA !!!

Well I'll certainly drink a glass of Trakia [or several] to that!  

Zhivi i zdravi,
Slavi