HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:48:19 GMT

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re: Musical Analysis on rec.music.gdead
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:29:51 GMT


that was a short cycle!  the "let's split the newsgroup" issue
was only discussed a few months ago.  the period used to be at
least a year.  if it get to the point were every discussion
results in the suggestion of splitting the newsgroup, maybe
we should.  i might suggest:

	rec.music.gdead.sjeck
	rec.music.gdead.duane_day
	rec.music.gdead.brian_jeffrey_cook
	rec.music.gdead....

let everyone have their own subgroup so that you don't 
have to read *anything* challenging or divergent from
your own opinions.  that should solve the problem.

Steve-TOO

"chaos is the score upon which reality is written" - Henry Miller
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Bill Sloan <WS3X@cornellc.bitnet>
Subject: calling the law
Reply-To: WS3X@cornellc.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:12:33 GMT

I upset by how many times I see "I'm gonna call the cops if you don't do what I
want".  Dead shows used to be a family, where the most important thing was to
have a good time and work things out peacefully.  I find it ironic that at
concert where Hell's Angels are welcomed by the band that people are calling
the cops.  Why not call an Angel?  Calling the cops is copping out (:-)).  The
only reason that calling a cop is likely to work is that people
believe that cops
is likely to use physical force if they resist.  So when you call a cop or an
usher to throw some one out over smoking your resorting to the threart of
violence to resolve the situation.  My take on this is thats its way too
excessive for this kind of a problem, that there are more creative ways to
solve it, starting w/ asking the person to please stop smoking and proceeding
from there but stopping short of violence.  And if the smoker insists on
smoking, it may be time to ask your self why its so important to you have this
person stop smoking.  I'm not a smoker, don't enjoy its smell, and find that
most smokers are willing to direct their smoke away from me if I ask. If the
smoke is actually a health hazard for you or really, really unpleseant you
could carry a surgeons mask w/ you for those times when someone refuses to
quit smoking.  But resorting to violence ot calling the cops?  Someone being
rude and obnoxious doesn't give another a licsence to violence or
self-rightious attitude.  All these behaviors have their own karmic rewards.

"The ABC's we all must face and try to keep a little grace..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: DKYSAR@ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: pigpen tape request
Reply-To: DKYSAR@ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:17:12 GMT

B*I*G humble heartfelt grovel for a copy of the Princeton show April 19
1971.  The book Playin in the Band talks about this show as having a
version of Good Lovin which is "quintessential Pigpen."  Would love to
hear it.  I can send off a blank tape with gratitude, good vibes, and
plenty of return postage, or I can send a copy of an interesting Led
Zeppelin bootleg studio jam session w/ Elvis, Berry, Orbison covers
inc. Round 'n Round.  Thank you.

	Snide Truth Seeker asks Aged Zen Monk, "If Buddha is all
	pervasive, then does even a stray dog in the street possess
	a Buddha-nature?"  To which Aged Zen Monk only replies,
	"Woof."

incidentally, if anyone else would like a dub of the Led bootleg, i'd
be glad to make copies
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:44:14 GMT

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Mark Takaro <mtakaro@library.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Myxolidian thang, etc.
Reply-To: mtakaro@library.berkeley.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:30:04 GMT

Thanks, Curt (and others) for making a contribution to the quality of
posts of late.  Despite some calls to revert to previous "contentless"
posts, many of us are enjoying this phase of serious music discussion.

To an extent, what we see the Dead do remains a spiritual and mysterious
thing, but it can be approached via musical theory (and analyzed).  I
think that we can understand the process a lot better through informed 
discussion like we've seen in the past few days.  The examples are
important to this, but the background in great too.

Anyone want to tackle Bobby's chord constructs in a detailed manner?
Pretty challenging area there for discussion.
There's also a lot to be said about changes in modality within and
between tunes.

Just another aspect of what makes this band so special! ;-) ;-) ;-)

Keep it up folks!

Mark (mtakaro@library.berkeley.edu)
|
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Randy - QA Program Coordinator, SMS Iselin" <REEDR@opsusa.decnet.siemens.com>
Subject: Eyes of the World Forium
Reply-To: REEDR@opsusa.decnet.siemens.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:47:55 GMT

There is now an Eyes of the World Forum on the Velocity Box BBS system.  This 
is a FREE area for all to use and enjoy!  They have 3 lines at 14.4Kbps.  The 
number is 908-727-4263 and the board is up 24 hours a day.  All contributions 
are welcome and invited.  Thanks,   Randy
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Subject: Jerry knows modes!
Reply-To: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:52:23 GMT

	To "brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu": I TOTALY DISAGREE with your
assesment that technical discussions of The Music should be taken to another
group.  And further more, to say that Phil is the only "schooled" musician
in the band is an insult to the other members.  Did you read either of 
Hart's books?  This man knows percussion inside and out.  While he may not
have an officialy recognized degree, he has certainly STUDIED his subject
well.  Have you listened to Ornette Coleman's cd "Virgin Beauty" that has
Garcia on 3 or 4 songs?  Or for that matter, have you listened to any mind
expanding solo of Jer's?  Anyone who has not LEARNED his instrument to the
degree that Garcia has could not have pulled off what he has.  Don't for
a second think that these guys don't know what they're doing.
From: blayman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bram J Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Cheesiness: Virtue or Slam?
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:42:18 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University


    Just finished sifting through 1000+ posts (I don't get access too often), 
and was surprised by the slamming of individual band members.  I do not wish to
revive the thread or bore you with my legnthy opinions of how many times I 
thought Brent was the only one willing to kick the rest of the guys in the ass 
to get the show rolling (but I did), etc.
    However, there was some slanderous :-} name calling flying about, refering 
to Mr. Weir as "Cheesy".  I was somewhat surprised because, while I agree with 
the label, I have never thought of his cheesiness as a negative trait.  I like 
Bob's intentional obtuse-ness, in his songwriting and elsewhere, but realize I 
am in the minority.  For example, in "Picasso Moon", the "Bigger than a 
drive-in movie...(ooo-weee, for real, etc.), seems like the perfect time to 
sing aloud.  A "call-and-response" if you will.  But, damn, if you don't get 
nasty looks from surrounding Heads for doing so.  I don't think this is due to 
my singing ability, but out of shock that I would loudly acknowledge that I 
like the song (gasp...horror...how un-pc).  I think the song is cheesy and I
love it for just that reason!
    So, when I saw the shirt at Deer Creek this past Summer that had a picture 
of Bob on the back with the quote (stolen from CheeTos (R)) "It ain't easy 
bein' cheesy" and a picture of Chester Cheeta on the front breast with the 
words "Be Kind To Bobby" I had to buy it.  Then I happened to wear it to the 
Bob and Rob show at Nautica in Cleveland.  Well, lo and behold, due to the 
efforts of my friend's girlfriend, we ended up backstage after the show and had
an audience with "His Cheesiness".  I was kinda worried that he might be 
offended by the shirt (take it the wrong way), but (after having it pointed out
to him) he experssed that he thought it funny.  So...I pose the question:  Is 
being cheesy necessarily bad?  I think not.

Till Then....
         Bram
From: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com (Rob Gilde)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:38:56 GMT
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 16 Aug 1992 18:50:43 MST
From: <AUDPH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: terrapin station bbs

Yo, Doug!
You know I dial up, and yes I have been having trouble this weekend
also.  Turns out on the 3rd try I connect at 2400 baud for some reason,
sent several break signals, then finally got a login message...
Go figure!

-d
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: wpc@po.CWRU.Edu (William P. Claspy)
Subject: Casey Jones sighting!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:13:15 GMT


The little lady and I just got back from some r and r in the green
but dry state of Washington and besides drooling over the tasty old
volkswagens available out there, I had a nifty dead sighting.  We
stayed at a B&B in Cle Elum that used to be a railroad bunkhouse.
As it was a week night (I presume) we were the only ones there.
After showing us around all the place, the guy takes us to our room
which is named after none other than Casey Jones.  Needless to say
I started humming up a storm, but the guy didn't get it.

Kept me humming for a coupla days though... ;-)

Bill
-- 
William Claspy			Case Western Reserve University
Internet- wpc@po.cwru.edu
MaBellnet- (216) 368-3595
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Alan Sodoma <ajs@jloda.cci.com>
Subject: Re: Nicotine addicts Unite!
Reply-To: ajs@jloda.cci.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:05:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.141221.8440@athena.mit.edu> you write:
|Good ideas, Eagle - but a caution - be careful with those patches, 
|more'n a few folk I know have had miscalculated dosages and od'd, none fatally
|at least.  I kicked Camel straights myself after ten years recently, went through 

Actually, I believe some guy did die while using one of those patches.
For some reason :-)  he continued to smoke and ended up having a heart
attack.  This was a couple months ago, so I could be mistaken about it
being fatal.

More non-Dead content:
Anybody going to see James Taylor in Saratoga on Saturday?  I'll be there
with my girlfriend Karen.  Of course, we're stopping by at the track for
the big race first.  Time to do some bettin'!


Al Sodoma

'
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Nick Morgan <nmorgan@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:07 PDT
Subject: Sell Your New England/Eugene AirTi
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1456400081:000:907
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!nmorgan    Aug 12 09:07:00 1992


In case anyoneone, preferably a female type has a roundtrip 
ticket from anywhere in New England- preferably somewhere 
close to Hartford CN and Eugene, leaving around 8/20 and
returning around 8/24 which they'd like to sell, my friend 
would be willing to buy it.  While she wasn't planning on
coming out for the shows, she is now getting psyched since
we've done the massive change-of-gears and are planning to take
several members of our little tribe into the backwoods of
Oregon.  We sure are bumed, after all the planing and hype
which has gone into this - but its also ourfirst test of
our longstanding comment that we all had better be able to 
get together with as much enthusiasm (sp?) when the boys 
aren't around.  So here's our test!  If you want to sell your
airline ticket - call Mollie directly at 413{584}6317, or reply
to me at "nmorgan"

Hang in there folks, and keep the flame burning...

From: tommy@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Tom Peterson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:41:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead

/ hpdmd48:rec.music.gdead / Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com> /  5:22 pm  Aug 17, 1992 /
In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob


The original Note said the festival gates open Saturday at 9 PM, did you 
possibly mean 9 AM (or even Friday 9 PM) ?   Is this a 1 or 2 day event?

Thanks, this could save an otherwise depressing weekend.  We were actually
considering heading to SLC, Utah this weekend (thought the Lagoon might
be colorful this time of year B)).  Looks like Eugenes back on.

Sounds like an excellent place to get some healing energy together for Jerry!

Tom Peterson
Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com (Jeff Lester)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: :Please ID this show!!
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:14:42 GMT
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet

|Could someone please tell me the exact date of this Egypt show
|from 78....
|Set II I believe....
|Music Never Stopped
|Fire On the Mountain
|Iko-Iko
|Truckin
|Black Peter
|Sunshine Daydream

Doesn't look like a real set to me. There has been no series of Fire, Iko,
Truckin'. Music Never Stopped was not played in Egypt. There was a Fire
followed by Iko 9/16/78, but that`s about as close as it comes.

-Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: loose@quake.sylmar.ca.us (loose_connection)
Subject: Re: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:49:02 GMT


Notice...I've been asked to post this annoucement on behalf of
the people staging this event.  Apparently they are IN NEED OF
AN AIRLINE TICKET FROM BALTIMORE TO EUGENE, OR THEREABOUT...this
is provide transportation for one of the band members who cannot
get a cheap flight at this late date.

Anyone who knows anyone or has a non-refundable *cheap* ticket
from Baltimore to Eugene please call Steve Block or Bill Conde
at 503-995-6164.

There should be someone out there....


thanks.

Please don't bother emailing me with info...I'm only loosley connected
to this endeavour and am doing this because I was the closest person
with net access.

peace.
From: srw@cci632.cci.com (Steve Windsor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Analyze the Music
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:57:21 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

>You know that one moment during Shakedown Street, where the whole crowd goes
>'whooo' in unison ? How do they do that ? I can't remember if I did it myself
>the first time I heard the tune, but now, without thinking about it concously,
>I can feel the energy in me building and swirling, and there's this one part of
>the tune that seems to open me up (using my oral orifice :) and all that energy
>escapes in a big 'whoooo' !

 shakedown is one of my faves...just the thing to get my blood going :^)
 the more the crowd gets into it, the more the band gets into the music,
 spinning into infinity...which is why i would rather not have alcohol
 served at shows...in my opinion it's a dampener...
>
>And another thing, does anyone else believe in magic while listening to
>Terrapin Station ?

 terrapin has done a *lot* for me...it's mystical...
>
>Someone else posted that the lyrics were secondary to the instrumental portions
>of the songs. I'm not so sure. The lyrics I have generally found to be just
>what I needed ! I can't focus so well as to hear every word, nor do I try, but
>the lyrics seem to create incredible imagery. 'Come hear Uncle John's Band',
>who cares who's uncle John is, or what kind of music they play, the way its
>sung has this beckoning quality to it, a 'join me' feeling, that seems to come
>from one who knows, one who wants me to enjoy something they have found, etc..

 lyrics speak to my heart and fill me up complementing the music...
 Check out cal expo 6/8/90 II ujb>china>rider for exactly this feeling...
 i refer to this tape as my mental band-aid... :^)
>
>I remember filling out Rebecca Adams' survey, and question 1 (rightly so !) is
>'What do you like about the Dead's music ?'..... WOW, the answer to that 
>question alone could fill a blue book ! Rebecca, if you're still out here, any
>way you could post (anonymously ?) some of the more thought out responses ? 

 Hey now rebecca, we haven't heard from you in a while, drop on by!
>
>I have a pin that says 'I Need The Grateful Dead Every Day'. I think thats
>true. I don't know why.

 It's  true and i don't care why.  i need a *hug* every day.  i need
 jerry every day.  warm sun on my face (ok in rochester 50 days out of 365)
 and music in my soul.  that should about do it :^D

 ** GET WELL JERRY **

 see ya locodog

 stephen
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: M02449@mwvm.mitre.org (Joe Gems)
Subject: Re: acoustic pianos versus digital pianos/keyboards
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:43:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.184746.29711@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>
bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Aug12.130236.13195@dale.ksc.nasa.gov>, sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis) writes:
>|> Mark Nichols writes
>|> > My girlfriend is interested in buying a piano. She is only interested
>|> > in playing classical music. She is about an intermediate in skill
>|> > level. Since we are in a apartment we are considering one of
>|> > the digital pianos since it has adjustable volume and headphone
>|> > outputs.
>|>
>|>   Personally, I'd prefer almost any acoustic piano (even one in marginal
>|> condition, as long as it holds a tune) to an electronic; the sound, feel, and
>|> presence of a digital piano is just not there, IMHO.  That being said, I do
>|> find the current generation of digital pianos to be great fun... especially
>|> those with a few good electric piano sounds added in.  But I would never
>|> suggest that any serious pianist buy one as his/her primary instrument.
>|>
>|>   Good luck with whatever you decide upon.
>|>
>|> Regards,
>|>
>|> Steve
>
>In summary:
>
>   Reasons to get a Digital Piano (keyboard, synthesizer, whatever):
>
>     1. You need an instrument that stays in tune no matter where you
>        go.
>
>     2. You have been unable to rely on a decent-sounding piano to be
>        available wherever you practice or perform.
>
>     3. You can't afford a good acoustic piano.
>
>     4. You like the other sounds you can play on a keyboard.
>
>     5. The keyboard has a reasonably good-sounding piano setting.
>
>     6. You need a portable instrument.
>
>     7. You can also afford to get a sound system and mixer.
>        (Some electric/digital pianos come with built-in speakers.)
>
>
>   Reasons to get an acoustic piano:
>
>     1. The type of music you perform demands the "real thing".
>
>     2. A decent, tuned piano is available wherever you expect to
>        perform.  You don't really need a portable instrument.
>
>     3. Your ears demand the "real thing".
>
IMHO, based on the current state-of-the-art (with good piano sounds far more
readily available than good piano feel), I would consider fingers demanding the
"real thing" much more significant than ears demanding the "real thing".
Otherwise, good summary.
>     4. You have the money to get a good piano.
>
>     5. If you play keyboards at all, you should have a good
>        acoustic piano.
>
>Did I miss anything?  Anyone care to add to the lists?
>
>--
> Bill Wilhelmi
> Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
> 1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
> bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
 
   Joe
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 12:51:51 CDT
From: John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Where can I get a service manual for a Hammond M103 organ?

Does anyone have a phone number for Hammond?

The problems are that the reverb doesn't work (I get line noise hum
instead), and the vibrato is messed up -- sometimes it works, other times
it stops being vibrato and becomes fast staccato. Has anyone seen these
failure modes before?

Thanks!

- John
From: delore@Ingres.COM (Eric Delore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Vocal Stomp Box Query
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:28:13 GMT
Reply-To: delore@Ingres.COM (Eric Delore)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

Hi Netters:

Could someone tell me how to do the following. I'd like a stomp box for
vocals that allows me to stomp the box and switch the vocals from the PA
to a megaphone. Would this be hard to build? I'd be worried about the popping
back to the PA; I'd hope that there were no sound transients that blew the
diaphrams or voice coils on the PA speakers. I would mount the megaphone on
the mike stand. I can't use my hands because I'm usually playing a guitar, too.
Thanks a million. Bye,

Eric