From: lombardo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Marc Lombardo)
Subject: Mixing WITH WHAT I HAVE
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:39:03 GMT

I know, I know... I thought I covered this in my first post, but here we go
again.  

I realize that a lot of you on here have had a lot of experience mixing stuff,
and you know what you are talking about.  Because of this, I hope that you
can give me some ideas of what I could do with what I have right now.  I
am not very concerned about sound quality (I am using an 8-bit sampler),
nor do I want to buy vinyl (I might try it when I get into this stuff,
but I don't plan on scratching techno anyway)... I WOULD like to do some
pitch changing, but maybe I could do that on the computer, making a loop
that starts 10% slower than the actual sample, and speeds up to the
normal speed (and continues the loop)... these are the kind of
ideas I want.  

I CANNOT AFFORD TWO TURNTABLES OR A NEW CD PLAYER!  I know I will be very
limited by what I have, but I think it is possible to get the feel of mixing
with what I have so when I CAN afford this equipment I will have some
experience and have an idea of what I am doing.

I actually setup all of my stuff over at a friends house (the computer, 
hard drive, digitizer, mixer board, both cd players, and both tape decks!),
and we tried some rudimentary mixing.  We had a VERY hard time getting
anything going, but we ended up recording a 30 second "mix" that started
out with Kraftwerk's Voice of Energy (sped up and played backwards!), and
immediately after that we started Many Machines (manufacture)... on 
top of that, we played the Mr. C mix from Move any Mountain (Shamen) played
slightly faster than normal... 

Now, I've got to tell you, after spending all of that time setting everything
up and fooling with some different loops and samples, I was disappointed with
our short mix.  I realized that we would have to do a lot more on paper
and plan exactly what loops we needed, what samples we would use over them,
the reverb we would use on which samples, and when we would play the
samples during the song.  I have a tracker program that allows shorter
samples (up to 64k) to be played at various speeds (and up to four samples
at once)  so if you can think of anything that I could do, please tell 
me. 

I am really happy to know that cd mixers do exist, but it will be a while
before I purchase one (unless I can find one used for less than $150).

Please give me all ideas, hints, and tips that you can think of.  

Here is what I plan on doing on our next mix:

	Taking a song, like 242's Headhunter, and playing it through
	the mixer board onto metal tape using dolby c, with reverb on... 
	sounds pretty cool, in my opinion...

	Over that, I plan on taking a loop of headhunter (5 seconds) and
	playing that over the recorded version of the song (recording
	the song again onto metal tape), during this loop I might switch
	from the right to the left channel every 2 loops or so, what do 
	you think?

	I will get a bass drum sample (or a keyboard that has a good bass)
	and add in my own bass to the song.  I like heavy bass in a
	song, and since it is my mix, I will do whatever I want!

	Then, I will find some samples to use over the song (I will probably
	rip the original one two three four you catch the man lyrics out
	and slow them down, speed them up, add echos, etc and play them
	over the recording... )

	Finally, I think it would be good to have something at the very
	beginning and end of the song to distinguish it as a mix, 
	by adding some sample at the beginning that sounds kind of 
	crazy (like 242s Victor the Cleaner Mix of Rhythm of Time!  Maybe
	I will use that one!)

	
	I am very anxious to get into mixing stuff like this.  If you can
	think of something I am doing wrong, just let me know.  I need
	all the help I can get... 

	By the way, I am really into 242, Shamen, FLA, Kraftwerk, Moby,
	and I really enjoy Ave Maria's No Sex Until Marriage.  It seems
	like alt.rave is the group to ask for other cool groups that
	know what they are doing when it comes to mixing.  I will try
	almost anything... just name the group and your favorite cd... 
	I like heavy bass, and FAST music with minimal lyrics (unless
	its Bill Leeb, or Jean-Luc DeMeyer... :)\

	Later,
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