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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:32:57 ECT
Reply-To:     Lary Jones <LJONES@BINGVMB.BITNET>
From:         Lary Jones <LJONES@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VMS Precision & LENGTH stmt - longish
              11 Aug 1992 16:22:58 -0500 from <gibes@SWIRL.MONSANTO.COM>

 SUMMARY:   What's the precision on VMS?
 REL/PLTF:  6.07 TS 301/ VMS
 E-ADDR:    LJones@BingVMB.BITNET
 NAME:      Lary Jones
 DATE:      12 August 1992

Kernon Gibes asks about numeric precision on VAX/VMS and the behavior
of numbers declared:

>
>  length x2 2;
>
>I expect NOT to be able to store and retrieve integers beyond 32,768
>(by my calculations, assuming 8 bits/byte, 2 bytes would be 2**(16-1)
>[no sign bit?]).  Now the version 6 VMS Companion says my maximum
>precision is 256 (see pg. 333).  Where they got that I don't know (4
>bits/byte?).

The minimum length of variables is system dependent.  VAX/VMS offers
BYTE and Unsigned BYTE variable types.  I assume that SAS is referencing
the availablitiy of this variable type (We no Longer have SAS for VAX/VMS,
so I can not verify this.  However, I was a co-manager of a VMS system in
my former job).

>But, in fact, I get **WAY** beyond 32,768 anyway.  ...
>where have I gone wrong?  Even if VMS is always doubling the precision,
>x2 should top out at 2,147,483,648 (but it doesn't).  On the other hand,
>PROC CONTENTS is claiming it's only allocating the bytes requested.
>Hey!  Am I getting something for nothing?!?  I know I must be
>overlooking SOMETHING OBVIOUS.  What is it?

From _"SAS Language Reference, p. 429_:

    "The LENGTH statement specifies the number of bytes the SAS
     System is to use for storing values of variables in each data
     set created. ...  Valid variable lengths depend on your host
     system.  For details, refer to the SAS documentation for your
     host system."

Once a variable is being processed by SAS, I believe, it is expanded
to double precision real (8 bytes) for all calculations (this is true
my all/most reputable packages).  Thus, internal to the program, the
value which can be calculated is not limited by the LENGTH
specification. However, you will lose precision when the value is
stored in the data set.

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Reply-To:     Dawn Dalmas <DALMAS@NIEHS.BITNET>
From:         Dawn Dalmas <DALMAS@NIEHS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SAS/AF beginner needs suggestions
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CONTENT:   THANKS & SUMMARY
E-ADDR:    DALMAS@NIEHS.BITNET
NAME:      Dawn Dalmas
DATE:      August 20, 1992

Many thanks to Kernon Gibes, Robert M. Hamer, Paul Hamilton, R. Snyder, &
Simon Dunkley for your helpful suggestions/comments regarding getting started
with SAS/AF.  The responses were: Yes, the SI course is money well spent, and
the following manuals/books are helpful:
   o  SAS/AF(r) Software: Usage and Reference Version 6 First Edition.
   o  SAS Screen Control Language: Reference Version 6 First Edition.
   o  SAS Screen Control Language: Usage Version 6 First Edition.
   o  Professional SAS User Interfaces, by Rick Aster, SCL Programs by
Rhena Seidman.
      Windcrest/McGraw-Hill (c) 1992 ISBN 0-8306-3717-6.
The first 3 are published by SAS Institute, the last is a third party book.

I believe (hope!) that I will be able to both acquire these texts *and* attend
the SI course.  Fortunately, SI at Cary is just a few minutes away.
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Thanks you so much for the quick respond on SAS function question.
My program works well now

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From:         "P. Oldenkamp 5-4481" <oldenkmp@ESPRESSO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: How do I position the windows in fixed locations?
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Gary G. Gu asked,

> This is for a friend of mine who needs help in using SAS under X.
> She would like to be able to control the positions of
> the OUTPUT, EDIT and other windows. How can this be done?

What you want to use is the WSAVE command.  RTFM in the help facility under
SAS Global Commands, WSAVE or in the Language manual, p 930.

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Reply-To:     Deb Cannon 319-335-6321 <ADPDKHTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
From:         Deb Cannon 319-335-6321 <ADPDKHTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      clarification of answer on WORK space

      I've had a few private conversations about my WORK space
      answer, and I'm afraid I may have confused some of you,
      so I'll try some clarifications here.  Hopefully the
      people with whom I've conversed with will post their
      answers, too, then a good over-all picture of the kinds
      of things you can do with WORK size problems will be
      presented.

      My answer was based on the following:
      1) The program was working correctly before
      2) The user did not change a thing except the proc
      3) Any efficiency considerations, like whether he
         actually *needed* that space or not, were taken
         care of or not an issue  (some jobs are gonna need
         more resources than others).

      My answer was a direct one to the question 'What could've changed
      between 6.06 and 6.07 to cause this problem?'.   I *didn't*
      (and hope others will) post anything about efficiency,
      because it still doesn't answer the question.  But these
      efficiency concerns are extremely valid.  What I don't
      want is that everyone who runs out of WORK space is going
      to stick a DD card override in their JCL, and up their
      WORK space.  This is actually something to do *ONLY
      WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS OK*.

      Sorry for any confusion!

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From: baer@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: LIMDEP (info. request)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:39:09 GMT

I believe there was a posting a couple of weeks ago mentioning the 
e-mail address of William Greene, the author of Limdep.  Somehow,
I've misplaced that address.  Does anyone on sas-l know what it is?
 
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Internet: BAER@UWOVAX.UWO.CA   

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Subject:      formchar option

I am running SAS version 6.07 with VAX/VMS 5.5

Has anyone been successful using the formchar= option and string of hexidecimal
characters to create smooth lines in Proc Tabulate (instead of the default
dashed lines) for any printers other than the IBM printers listed in the Proc
Tabulate manual?  If so, for which printers?  We have a variety of printers
available, but not IBM..

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From:         Michael Davis <0002395748@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Any EDP, Internal Auditors Out There?
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CONTENT:    question regarding use of SAS
SUMMARY:    use of SAS for edp, internal audit
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Our corporate internal audit division is using another 4GL (CULPRIT)
to extract samples and conduct edp and internal audit investigations.
Yesterday, one of their representatives visited me to learn if SAS
could replace their current 4GL, which it certain can.

Are any of my fellow SAS-Lers edp or internal auditors who use SAS to
do their job?  Or do you work with auditors who use SAS?  I would like
to put you or them in touch with our internal auditors so they can
better visualize how they could use SAS.  I also want to help relieve
their cognitive dissonance regarding switching to another 4GL.

Also, one of the attractive features of their current 4GL is that they
licensed a series of short programs that perform sample extraction.
While all of these programs could be recoded in SAS, SAS would be
more attractive to them if they could find some of their required
routines already coded.

Do any of you have sampling routines that you would be willing to
share with our internal auditors?
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:29:53 CST
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From:         "Nancy J. Hill" <HILL@CMSUVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      MWSUG hotel reservations

I have just talked to the hotel about the problem with the them not
honoring the conference rate for all nights of the conference. If you
wait a couple of hours and call 816-421-1234 ask for Tracy you should
have no problem getting the special rate. The conference date change
has mixed up their system but we do have a block of rooms reserved
until 9/4/92 at the special rate.
Sorry for any problems this may have caused you.
Nancy
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:37:36 EDT
Reply-To:     Gail Gill <glg2@GTE.COM>
From:         Gail Gill <glg2@GTE.COM>
Subject:      I need help with SQL
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Hello fellow sas-lers,
  I need some help with using sql.
The problem is as follows:

My data was entered with multiple records for the same customer,
I need to modify it.
It resides as the following:

Cust   item   cost
 1      A      V
 1      A      V
 1      A      V
 1      B      W
 1      B      W
 2      A      V
 2      C      X
 2      D      Y
 2      E      Z
and so forth.

 What I would like to get is the following:

Cust   item   cost
 1      A     3*V
 1      B     2*W
 2      A      V
 2      C      X
 2      D      Y
 2      E      Z
and so forth.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Gail Gill
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:01:07 CST
Reply-To:     Nancy <HILL@CMSUVMA.BITNET>
From:         Nancy <HILL@CMSUVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SI opens offices in Kansas City and Seattle
              12 Aug 1992 10:51:25 CDT from <phil@WUBIOS.WUSTL.EDU>

I went to the opening at KC. There was a good demo of the 6.07 SAS/AF product.
The demo went into using icons and making user friendly applications without
using SCL. People came from Cary for the open house. I must say that it was
well worth my time. The opening was by reservation and they did have to turn
away people due to the large amount of interest. It is my understanding they
will be doing something again in the future for the people who could not get
into first open house. They have had over 100 people attend classes since
the KC training center opened.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:28:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Willy Waks <0005400191@MCIMAIL.COM>
From:         Willy Waks <0005400191@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      SAS Functions

Someone was trying to compute as sas date using the MOD and ABS functions.
There is a much easier way usiung the INTNX function. (page 559 of the Language
Guide, reference)
ex: TST1_DT='01JAN77'D;/* same as TST1_DT=MDY(01,01,1977); */
    TST2_DT=INTNX('MONTH',TST2_DT,-15); /* TST2_DT=01oct75 */
Hope this helps.
Willy Waks
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Reply-To:     "R. Snyder" <rsnyder@LOBBY.TI.COM>
From:         "R. Snyder" <rsnyder@LOBBY.TI.COM>
Subject:      Re: SAS GRAPH Question
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> I have two variables to plot, and I'd like to overlay the outline of
> a normal curve on the plot.  Does anyone have an example of how to do
> this?  We're using SAS 6.07 on CMS. Thanks in advance for any
> suggestions.
>
> Francine Cannarozzi
> Senior Research Specialist
> School of Public Health
> University of Illinois at Chicago
>
Francine,

Did you receive a reply to this and if so, can you share it with me?

Thanks,

Bob Snyder, Texas Instruments, Sherman, TX
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Subject:      macro naming conventions
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applause to dr. paul a. thompson!  very wisely and appropriately stated.
please keep this very valuable information continuing to come to the list.
thank you,
grace lossman
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:24:27 -0400
Reply-To:     "Paul A. Thompson" <pat@po.CWRU.Edu>
From:         "Paul A. Thompson" <pat@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Factor Analysis
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>
>Hello List,
>I am trying to run factor analysis on SAS 6.06. Can someone please
>tell me how I can force it to include missing values? I know SPSSX can
>do it but I'm new to SAS and I can't find the right command.
>
>
If you must do this (and it is not entirely unreasonable), you
must set a correlation matrix up with pairwise option (default).
Then run FA on correlation matrix.

--
Paul Thompson, Ph.D.  |  Department of Psychiatry  |  (216) 844-7463
Case Western Reserve University  | Cleveland, OH  44106
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:26:10 EDT
Reply-To:     Philip Tejera <FXTBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
From:         Philip Tejera <FXTBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SAS datasets ====> .wks

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:50:12 EDT Greg Nelson said:
>Does anyone have any experience in working with transferring data from a SAS
>dataset to a lotus or Excel file?

A similar question came up on STAT-L a few weeks ago. One answer is to use
SAS Proc DIF (Data Interchange Format), but it is only available with
SAS/PC so you would have to have your data there, as well as SAS and Lotus.
DIF format is supported by many spreadsheets, including Lotus and Excel
(although I don't know much about Excel).

You don't say what platform your SAS is on, but on several of the operating
systems (for sure IBM mainframes) the SAS/CALC product is a new offering
that seems to be much improved over the old Proc FSCALC from SAS/FSP under
version 5. It, of course, can read and/or produce SAS datasets. You might
want to check it out.
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Reply-To:     Arnold Schick <SCHICK@DMRHRZ11.BITNET>
From:         Arnold Schick <SCHICK@DMRHRZ11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SAS/Map data

On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:21:00 PDT you said:
>
>Hello,
>I have a question concerning SAS/Map data.
>Just after East- and West Germany got united, I made a dataset for the 'new'
>country - it was a lot of work to delete the border.
>Does anybody know if datasets exists for all the new East-European countries,
>or do you have to make them yourself?
>I am using SAS ver. 6.04 and 6.07, under DOS and OS/2.

Hello Karsten, hello SAS-L'ers,

in reply to your questions, here at our University, I had wrote 2 programms
to do this. Once is a FORTRAN program with GKS-CALLs to digitize cartesian
X-,Y-values from a tablet, and the other program is written in PASCAL to
add the polylines to borders of a ID variable by a table of digitized part-
polylines. The first runs on VAX/VMS and the second on VAX/VMS and DOS-PC.
The result can than read from SAS and be used from the proc GMAP as a map
dataset. Any geographic area can be reproduced from artworks.

At this time, I prepare a script with an co-author for publishing. Before
the article issues, I can't offer the programms here or present here the
algorithms.

When you would like develop the same, it is a bit complex, see also Technical
Report A-107, Creating Your Own SAS/GRAPH Map DATA Sets with a Digitizer.

Our SI in Heidelberg/Germany distribute maps for Germany with East and
West parts based of counties (Laender) and smaller districts (Kreise).

Greetings,

Arnold Schick  University of Marburg/Germany BITNET: SCHICK@DMRHRZ11
Organization: University of Minnesota - Computer & Information Services
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 08:38:35 CST
From: <HAKOMAKI@UMINN1.BITNET>
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Subject: Annotating multiple lines on plots


I had recently posted a request for help annotating multiple lines on
multiple plots where the text would not appear in the same place for each
plot. Basically, it boiled down to 3 choices:

1. Use annotate. (this was what I was trying to avoid...)
2. Forget doing it in SAS and just use press on letters (haven't done this and
       would rather not do it)
3. Try out the Graphics Editor in 6.07.

I spent yesterday afternoon getting the Graphics Editor going - and was rather
pleased with the results. (I am running SAS 6.07 (CMS) and use an
IBM3179G terminal without (sad to say) an "optical mouse" (and since we're
undergoing serious cutbacks, it looks like I will never see that mouse
either...) Anyway, it did require more storage and disk space than we usually
have for the average user but worked quite nicely once that was straightened
out. I still am not quite comfortable with the pull down menus and pointing
and clicking business, but overall, it did work fairly well. It still doesn't
strike me as very easy for a casual SAS user to get through though...of
course it is a big improvement over annotate for a casual SAS user.

Has anyone else tried it? under CMS?


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From:         "R. Snyder" <rsnyder@LOBBY.TI.COM>
Subject:      Destroying Macro Windows
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CONTENT:   Question.
SUMMARY:   How do you destroy a macro window?
REL/PLTF:  6.07/HP300
E-ADDR:    rsnyder@lobby.ti.com
NAME:      Bob Snyder
COMPANY:   Texas Instruments, Sherman, TX
PHONE:     (903) 868-5799
FAX:       (903) 868-7240

The Guide to Macro Processing goes into great detail in explaining how
to create a macro window. I can't for the life of me figure out how to
get rid of one once I'm through with it. Does anyone know?

Thanks in advance ( I sure someone dows know. )

Bob
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 11:27:00 PDT
Reply-To:     okoks@PC.IBT.DK
From:         okoks@PC.IBT.DK
Subject:      Re: SAS GRAPH Question
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Bob,
I don't know if this will be of any help.
You have to modify the place (what year) and the position (above or below the
line) to get the text to be in the right spot.

data labels (keep = x y xsys ysys text position style size color);
set old;
if year = 83 then do;
xsys ='2'; ysys='2'; size = 1.75;
style='simplex'; color='red   ';
x=ydate; y=var1; position='3'; text ='Lots of text  '; output;
end;

if year = 86 then do;
xsys ='2'; ysys='2'; size = 1.75;
style='simplex'; color='green';
x=ydate; y=var2; position='4'; text ='Even more text'; output;
end;
run;

symbol1 i=j  c=red l=4;
symbol2 i=j  c=green l=4;

proc gplot data=old;
plot (var1 var2)*ydate / overlay
                         annotate=labels;
run;

Regs,

Karsten Strobek

Institute of Economics                              Phone: +45 33 91 21 66/377
University of Copenhagen                                  Fax: +45 33 12 00 01
Studiestraede 6                                      Internet: okoks@pc.ibt.dk
DK-1455 Copenhagen K
Denmark
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