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From: root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Thomas Hollunder)
Subject: Re: The Abyss .. again
Reply-To: root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Technische Universitaet Wien
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:04:49 GMT

In article <74385@cup.portal.com>, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
|> >
|> >  I have a friend who was one of the divers in the movie.  I hate to contradic
|> t
|> > a few people here, but it took 15 rats to shoot that sequence because the
|> > rats died. That was not breathable water.
|> >-- 
|> >==============================================================================
|> =
|> >M. Todd Lawson -- Lawson@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
|> 
|> Doesn't the SPCA monitor filmmakers for cruelty to animals? Just how
|> did the producers manage to get away with killing 15 rats?  No, I'm
|> no professional rat lobbyist.. just curious.
|> 
|> Harv



I'm a rat-lover and I had a rat (died recently of cancer) which was one
of the cutest, gentlest and most trusting pets anyone can imagine.

If the statement by Harv R. Laser prooves to be true I would really like
to see this greedy swine Cameron's ass nailed for that. I liked the movie
and I thought the scene to be a trick but I'm never ever again going to watch
any Cameron-movie.

I'm sure it would have been possible to do a trick-shot without killing even
a single animal. I remember the sophisticated trick with that water-tube
in the movie. It must have cost millions, so why not spending a few bucks
on yet another trick saving th poor animals lives?

Thomas 
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From: jlewis@cis.ohio-state.edu (john bernard lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Inside Gossip
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:04:53 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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Along the lines of upcoming movies, I have heard rumors of a film,
tenetively titled _Brutal Force_ which is set to film on location in
Mansfield, Ohio this summer.  At this point this is all the info I
have.  Remember it is a rumor (but one substantiated by the Ohio Film
Commision)!

If anyone knows more, let me know.  I'll let everyone know as I know more!!

-J.B.Lewis

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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:55:25 GMT

In article <3483@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
>From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
>Subject: Re: The Weird List
>Date: 19 Jan 93 12:05:46 GMT
>
> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes...
>
>   [about Santa Sangre]
>
>> 3) A fat woman is very angry with a fat man. (She has to be as she cut's his
>>    dick off).
>
>  Nit pick: No she throws acid over it, rather than cutting it off.
>
>Personally I loved this film. I didn't find it confusing at all, but
>what I do find confusing is that you complain about not being able to
>understand a film which you confess you slept through on the 3 occasions
>you saw it !!!! >:-( Next time don't sleep and all will magically be revealed!

Well, actually, I find it very hard to stay awake throughout the whole thing.
I will try again tho....

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From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: Mini Review: National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:31:34 GMT



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From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Music in "Andre's Mother" or "White Balloon"
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:24:06 GMT


I am trying to find out what the title to a piece that was played in
this movie. It was broadcast on PBS. It starred Richard Thomas.

In this movie, there is a Mozart aria sung during the funeral. Can
anyone ID the piece?

Thanks in advance!
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From: grantham@stein.u.washington.edu (Henry Grantham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:28:46 GMT
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grosch@rtsg.mot.com (Joe Grosch) writes:

>It my understanding that the reason you don't see El Topo is because
>some lawyer, who's name ecapes me right now, owns the rights to it 
>and for so reason refuses to allow it to be shown or transfered to
>video tape. I think this guy represented the Beatles when they were
>breaking up but don't quote me on it.

	At my local video store, they have EL TOPO and THE HOLY MOUNTAIN
in both VHS and LASERDISC formats.

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From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Subject: LOSING MY MIND TRYING TO PLACE A MELODY FROM "Scent of a woman"
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:31:39 GMT


Augh. I'm losing it. Could someone please mail me with the name and author
of the song that Pacino Tango'd to in "Scent of a woman". This was the scene
where he danced with the attractive woman in the restaurant, accompanied by
accordian, strings, etc. 
   Please help me out? I'm becoming a crazy man trying to place it. Mail
would be great, since I can't really handle the high bandwidth of these
groups. Thanks in advance!!!

Steve Franklin

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From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Malcolm X Posters...
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:42:37 GMT



I have two Malcolm X posters for sale...e-mail for description and price.

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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: T. Gilliam's Fisher King include Tom Waits?
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:30:44 GMT

In article <C1GLHu.BA8@news.swip.net> bk@analytikerna.se writes:
>
>Is the crippled beggar in the wheelchair sitting in the train station
>played by Tom Waits?

Yes, it is.



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From: Joerg.Plate@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Joerg Plate)
Subject: Re: The Abyss .. again
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:46:23 GMT

wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:

>If I remember properly (I think an explanation/background was given in
>the novel of the Abyss on this, but it's been a loong while since I
>read it so bear with me), [...]
Orson Scott Card: Abyss  (Yes, there is an explanation!)
MfG
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From: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Abyss .. again
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:43:00 GMT
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Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 


>>  I have a friend who was one of the divers in the movie.  I hate to
>>  contradict
>> a few people here, but it took 15 rats to shoot that sequence because the
>> rats died. That was not breathable water.
>>--
>>=======================================================================
>>M. Todd Lawson -- Lawson@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

>Doesn't the SPCA monitor filmmakers for cruelty to animals? Just how
>did the producers manage to get away with killing 15 rats?  No, I'm
>no professional rat lobbyist.. just curious.

Yeah, the Humane Society does, if the film is shot where they have
access to the set.  They, however, have no real authority, and are real
easy to con.  In the old Italian Spaghetti westerns, it was common to
use a "Flying W", in which wires are attached to a horse's hooves, with
the other end attached to something solid, then the horses set out at a
run.  When the wires pull tight, the horse flips as though shot.  The
stunt rider would be thrown clear.  Of course, the horse had to really
be shot later......  Or, to simulate artillery, they'd run horses over
dynamite charges.  There wouldn't be enough left to shoot after that.

If you'll notice the credits at the end of "The Andromeda Strain", the
credits point out that all animal sequences were filmed under the
supervision of the US Humane Society, and that no animals suffered in
any of the animal research scenes.
                                                                                                   
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From: hamster@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: KNIGHT MOVES
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:57:18 GMT
Organization: Disorganized...
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In article <1993Jan25.133902.17172@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> blake7@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (berardinelli,james) writes:

> KNIGHT MOVES
>
>      Running Length:  1:51
>      Rated:  R (Language, violence, nudity)

Has this film only just been released in the US? Wow. We saw it here in
Australia way back in (checks archives...) August 1992! Do I get the
feeling we were a (gulp) test market for this film? Hmmm.

> KNIGHT MOVES is a walking clichi.  Plot elements have been borrowed
> from almost every mystery and thriller since the genre was invented.  Red
> herrings, stupid characters, and false endings abound.  In all one-hundred
> and eleven minutes, there is not a single original idea.  This complete
> bankruptcy of innovation leads to a movie-going experience that is not only
> uninvolving, but somewhat tedious.

[and so on]

A totally accurate and rather amusing review. This film was number two on
my list of 1992's movie bombs after "Home Alone II".

> Another problem with KNIGHT MOVES is the atrocious dialogue.  It's really
> bad - so bad, in fact, that it makes some of Madonna's lines in BODY OF
> EVIDENCE sound believable, and that's difficult to do.  Someone should clue
> writer Brad Mirman into how people really talk.  One scene in particular,
> with Lane and Lambert on a beach, made me feel an acute sense of embarras-
> sment for the involved parties.  It was difficult to keep from chuckling, and
> humor was definitely not the intention.

That's half the reason I was wary of "Body Of Evidence" - I read in the BOE
press kit that Mirman had written it. There's nothing in BOE quite as
snigger-inducing as the beach scene ("Do you wanna forfeit?" - sheesh!) but
it does come close. That scene in Knightmoves had the entire preview
audience in fits of laughter.


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From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty)
Subject: Help Final Posting!
Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:07:22 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get hold of a copy of the film
"BIG JIM AND THE FIGARO CLUB"? It featured Sylvester McCoy (the current
Doctor Who) and foccussed on nostalgia for the 1950's. It was set on and
around a building site. Does it feature in anyone's film studies or
blbliographies of films?

Where can I get a copy (in UK compatible VHS video)?

Any help?
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Leeper Screws the Pooch on CHAPLIN
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:17:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan21.001549.1050@cs.ucla.edu>, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
(Peter Reiher) wrote:
> 
> In article <mattm-190193163940@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> >Pickford deserves the title "First Movie Star" - she was the
> >first "Biograph Girl" audiences began to identify with repeatedly,
> 
> I'd have to check my sources to be sure, but I believe this is not correct.
> Alas, I cannot remember the name of the actress who this honor belongs to
> (it was definitely an actress, not an actor), but it wasn't Pickford.  The
> actress in question is completely forgotten, today, but was perhaps the
> first non-established stage performer to force producers to include her
> name on the credits.   (Long before Pickford became famous, at least some
> well known stars of the stage appeared in a few films, and, as one might
> guess, the producers made no secret of their presence.)

I beg to differ.  It was Pickford, and "long before Pickford became
famous" is long before films were much more than penny attractions
at carnivals.  She was in on the beginning with D.W Griffith.  By
the late Teens, she was making ten thousand dollars a week at Lasky's
Players.  There was no other actress of remotely comparable fame 
until Gloria Swanson and, of course, Gee Gee.
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: re: buscemi = god
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:08:26 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1k4dokINNq4q@morrow.stanford.edu>, FA.TJM@forsythe.stanford.edu 
(Thom McKean) writes:

> Buscemi has a very small speaking role as the fast talking Mink,
> Bernie's partner.

>> Barton Fink
> The hotel clerk.

>> Resevoir Dogs
> Mr. Pink, the man who wouldn't tip.

Ahhhhhh!  yes, I agree.  He is in fact excellent.

He also played a steely-eyed, gun-toteing, crack-shooting henchman of
Dutch Shultz (Dustin Hoffman) in _Billy Bathgate_.  Quite a different role.

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bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu           experience here.  I might say 'doth'
                                       or 'thou' or alot of things."
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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: buscemi = god
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:47:54 GMT

Buscemi also had a bit part in "King of New York," a fairly
forgettable movie starring Christopher Walken, Wesley Snipes,
and Larry Fishburne. He played a chemist working for Walken,
who was a crime lord.

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From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Re: Rumor: _American Psycho_
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:18:55 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) writes:
...
> It's bullshit--as far as I know, nobody's bought the rights
> to the novel, and frankly, it's probably still too controversial
> to film right now--anyone who tried would find him or herself the
> brunt of an attaack that would make the fooforah around LAST
> TEMPTATIOn look like a picnic.

Yeah, and we all know how much the film industry hates for their
movies to be the subject of controversy...

Craig

Not the opinion of my employer.
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From: garretso@girch301.med.uth.tmc.edu (Leon Garretson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Well know film, well know actor (to be)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:37:29 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston


	Well it's not a film but I caught an episode of "Leave It To Beaver"
	where the kid in the front row at school looked VERY familiar. Credits
	at the ended listed Timmy Matheson. Hasn't changed a bit.

	Leon
From: benjamin@corona.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:42:34 GMT
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In article <1993Jan20.140031.1565@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:
>challenge you to find a study that gives Coppola a Good Housekeeping
>seal of multi-cultural approval such that his movies have been found
>to encourage intercultural understanding; I'd say that it's the reverse;
>the Godfather, for example, sets stereotypes of Italians back years.

I just read in TV Guide that Francis Ford Coppola is Coproducing some sort of 
show dealing with native American issues.  This hardly vindicates him, but I 
would certainly challenge statements of yours like:
>        questions their agenda.  It would serve Coppola's ends for me
>        to retire to Angola, or a monastery, and I have no plans to
>        so make his (or your) life any easier.

You might judge Coppola by his actions, but you can't necessarily judge his
intentions so harshly.  I happen to believe he means well, and this is a 
standard by which I prefer to measure a person.  

"Bram Stoker's Dracula" does contain scenes of Dracula killing Turks (who
are portrayed as an evil invading army) and Dracula being aided by faceless
Gypsy villagers, but these are not Coppola's inventions.  You may claim that
if he is not part of the solution then he is part of the problem, but I
think he did a fairly good job of removing cultural references to Gypsy and
Muslim peoples.  Granted, there's still the problem of presenting violence
as acceptable against objectified enemies, but this is more subtle, and until
more people care about such things it is a stretch to blame Coppola.

Thanks for challenging some of our perceptions and mindsets about storytelling.
If you want more people to think about what you write, try to be less
insulting, though.
-Ben
benjamin@math.washington.edu
From: dah@cveng121.veheng.det (Dewane A. Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: LIST: Trivia, Cameos, In-jokes, Director's
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:56:13 GMT
Reply-To: dah@cveng121.veheng.det
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

What are the 25 nose jokes that Steve Martin told 
in ROXANNE ?
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From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: CHAPLIN - bisexual??
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:25:53 GMT

   So far as I remember, Kenneth Anger in Hollywood Babylon nowhere
mentions that Chaplin was rumored to be gay or bisexual.  I think that
this is conclusive evidence there were no such rumors, since it's
inconceivable that if they existed Anger wouldn't have dug them up for
that book.

   I do recall though that it was rumored that Chaplin was hung like a
horse.
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Well know film, well know actor (to be)
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:43:57 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1993Jan26.190433.114047@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu 
(JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:

> The other I also saw a James Stewart western called "Winchester '73" that
> featured early appearances by:
> 
> Rock Hudson as a Sioux chief

And add _They Died With Their Boots On_, the first movie about Custer,
starring Errol Flynn, with Anthony Quinn as Crazy Horse.

We already have the "Before they were famous actors as punks" thread...

...now we have the beginnings of a "B-t-w-f actors as Indian Chiefs" one.  :)

Greg Bole                             "We're talking about a religious 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu           experience here.  I might say 'doth'
                                       or 'thou' or alot of things."
                                         Steve Martin in _Grand Canyon_
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From: M.J.Jennings@amtp.cam.ac.uk (Michael Jennings)
Subject: Re: William Goldman, the screenwriter
Organization: University of Cambridge, DAMTP
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:25:07 GMT

In article <shorts.728228918@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>, shorts@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Rafi Levavy) writes:
|> >>What screenplays has Goldman done since he wrote "Adventures In the Screen
|> >>Trade"?
|> >>
|> >>I only know of Chaplin, and by the way, was that a rewrite or did he write
|> >>it from scratch with other people?
|> >>
|> 
|> >I THINK he was the guy who both wrote _The Princess Bride_ and adapted
|> >it for the screen, but don't bet on it...
|> 
|> He did write the book - I don't know if if he adapted it to screen or
|> not.
|> 
	He did indeed adapt his own book for the screen. He also wrote the
screenplay for 'Misery' from Stephen King's novel and was listed as a
'special consultant' or some such thing for 'A Few Good Men'. (You may note
that these three films have the same director (Rob Reiner) ) He has no doubt
also written other things since writing the book as it was written a few 
years back now.
		Michael
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