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From: wchau@acsu.buffalo.edu (Wun-Chun Chau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The *ugliest* female in HK (Re: The * prettiest * female in HK (Was Re: Beauty Pageant : sexist?))
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:31:02 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1992Sep22.163233.28076@cs.brown.edu> cs123057@cs.brown.edu (Chainsaw) writes:
>Since you guys are all interesting in these polls, why don't we vote for the ugliest celebrity female
>in HK?

Good idea! But... how about the ugliest male? :)
Hee! I might be qualify for this. One of my friend has been trying to
convince me that I am "the one" since we met each other!
Don't you think so? My dear chauhan!
:)

>
>I vote for 1)Ng Kwun Yu, 2) Anita Mui, 3) Vivian Chow, 4) Kwan Suk Yee... and ofcourse 5) Yip Tse May!
>
NO SHIT! mang! Vivian Chow? You are damn blind, mang! Vivian Chow is one of
the most beautiful female in the world! Since looks+brain = constant ? :)


>
>								Chainsaw


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From: siu@athena.mit.edu (Olivia I Siu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Chinese wife is good? (Was: Why? Why? Now I'm going to tell you why.)
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:32:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep30.213222.15285
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <9226610.7864@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>,  kingchun@buengf.bu.edu (Tsai King Chun)
write:

>Yes, that's very true. However, you have to consider the consequences of
>chasing a girl with boyfriend. You may be criticized by the community, as 
>immoral because you mess up other's relationship and hurt someone. The  
>situation would be much worse if you failed at last. Also, how about if 
>you also know her boyfriend? What the rest of your friends would think
>about you? They may regard you as an unloyal friend and will never dare 
>to let you know their girlfriends. You maybe isolated! Remember the
>character Ling Fung in the soap "Giant"( the one was on during the last
>summer in HK)? Everyone hated him. 

Correct me if I am wrong.  I think what kingchun said is right.  However, this
is one of the stereotypes that should be corrected.  I think if a girl goes
out with another guy even though she has a boyfriend, it's either that
she doesn't really want to be with her boyfriend, or that they were not
meant to be together in the first place.  So, I think guys can still ask
girls with boyfriends to go out.  How the girl reply is another matter.

Olivia
From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK Lyrics (Re: Tat Ming Pair)
Keywords: Cantonese
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:44:59 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:
>
>	I especially like TMP's non-love songs. One good thing about
>	Sam and TMP is that they both had many non-love songs. Another   
  
  Agree. And their love songs are good also.

>	is that the lyrics to their songs were very effective. Attributable
>	to Chan, he did very well. Poon can write very beautiful love
>	song lyrics. He's best at writing love(of different kinds). Another
 
  I think, with TMP, Poon's political songs are better. Like <Ten Young
  Members of Fire Brigade> and <Love of Da Ya Bay> ... and <Comrade> 
  perhaps.

  On the other hand, Chan is definitely the best match with TMP in
  writing either slow or fast, love or non-love songs.

>	good lyric writer is Heung Shu Wai who wrote lyrics to many 
>	of Hacken Lee's songs(like Blue Moon).   
> 
  And <One Thousand and One Night>.

  Back to Sam's and TMP's lyrics, Sam is good at describing things in
  his songs using either spoken or written Chinese. In spoken Cantonese
  you will think that it is very "Dai Sei" but if it's in written 
  Chinese it just looks classical Chinese Poetry.

  TMP are more like modern Chinese Poetry. Also their topics are the
  most diversified ones in HK. Sometimes they are incomplete with 
  regard to grammar and require you to fill the gaps with your own
  imagination. But, well, not bad though. 
>
>	I believe a good song is itself a worthwhile message, and
>	the lyrics will tell us what it is. 
>
  Sure.

  leo.
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From: v050qh6y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Prettiest male
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>I agree !
>Andy Lau is quite handsome but not crazily attractive.
>He is a little bit short when compared with Chow Yun Fat or Man Chi Leung.

i am a girl and so i feel i must respond.  no biased opinion here although 
andy is my ultimate idol.  here goes  he is not gorgeous, but i cant think 
of any moviestar nearly as good-looking as him.  chow yun fat and man chi 
leung are no where near as handsome as andy.  andy is kinda short though, 

__________________________________
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* WINNIE LEE                     *
* V050QH6Y@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  *
* "ANDY LAU IS GOD"              *
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*________________________________*
if he was just three inches taller, he would be flawless!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Three Lonely Hearts Club 
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:51:56 GMT

bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk (HoiFung JACK @>-`) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.193345.16717@en.ecn.purdue.edu> kwan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Yik-Yin Edwown, J
writes:
>>Why don't we establish a network version of Three Lonely Hearts Club?
>>
>>Edwin
>>
>
>What a good idea!!!!!  All kinds of love enquiries are welcome here!
>hmm...i guess what we need now is a nomination period, anyone who want to be
>one of these Three Lonely Hearts, please fill in a nomination form (seconded by
>at least 3 persons)... with love experiences, appearance discriptions, 
>personalities, salaries expected (not necessary, right?), etc....
>and then we netters can appoint An Election Day (maybe 2 or 3 weeks later) and
>choose our Lonely Hearts to the Board of Executive Committees...
>We all have a vote!  Freedom is our primary concern.

No, freedom should not be our (OK, I speak for myself only, so it is my)
primary concern. My primary concern is technology. The TLHC idea is fine,
and Edwin's contribution is his proposal of "a network version," which
is technically feasible. But it should be more far-sighted. With the
nascent virtual reality (VR) technology on the horizon, I think we need
to approach the TLHC with this in mind, i.e., a network based TLHC that
is capable of delivering VIRTUAL LOVE!

>Yeah!!!!  Just do it!

Yeah!

Steven
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From: bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk (HoiFung JACK @>-`)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: $$$ Short News in UST $$$ (Boys must read it!)
Keywords: Pretty Female Doctor
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:58:20 GMT
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology

In article <1992Oct6.003526.11535@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:

>bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk (HoiFung JACK @>-`) writes:
>
>>###Remarks:###  
>>There is only one student canteen and one staff canteen in UST.
>>Both are Cafe De Coral (Tai Ka Lok).  But what a surprise to you,
>>nothing there seems like from Cafe De Coral except the logo placed on
>>the tissue.  I guess the dog's meal in UST's construction site is 
>>more delicious than ours. :))))))
>>Oh...yes...it can be said that our "MIKE TIN KUNG" smells much disgustingly
>>than the dogs'.  What in What out mah!!!!
>
>Hey, buddy.  Go to Sai Keung with a bunch of friends and have some great
>sea-food! Just walk up the hill and catch KMB 92.   It will take you there.
>BTW, how much does KMB 91 and KMB 92 charge these days?  what about those
>maxicabs (minibus) from Choi Hung MTR station?  
>
>Yours Sincerely,
>Kelvin Leung
>e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

Hmm...Kelvin, even if I have $ to afford having sea-food everyday, I guess
it doesn't mend matters.  The only change is that our MIKE TIN KUNG becomes
to have a FISHY smell rather than simply disgusting smell.  Right?! :|
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: kilee@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kim Lee)
Subject: how to 'talk' to ust?
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:59:22 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

    I am a naive on network communication. I have a problem on how to 'talk'
to a guy in u of science and technology in hong kong. our system  is 'Utrix'
every time I try to talk, I get the answer is' not log in' / 'not accepting
message'/'try again?'. what wrong about these? wHo know the answer please give
me a mail. my account is'kilee@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu'. any kind of help will be
most appriciated. 

       Please help me !!

                         Tony  Lee
From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK Lyrics
Keywords: Cantonese
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:06:12 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:
>
>I wonder why no one mentioned Lam Chan Chung(sorry about the pinyin) when
>lyric is mentioned.  In my opinion, he produce the best lyrics in Hong Kong
>today.  His lyrics are fresh, balanced, and rarely use out of tone words.
>Too bad he does not produce lyrics as much as he used to. (and he doesn't
>write Onion Head anymore, I used to laugh to tears reading Onion Head).
>

  You mean Lam Man Chung, right? Can you refresh my memory by
  putting some of his works here? Thanks.

  BTW, if you didn't mention Onion Head, I would think of Lam Chan 
  Keung instead. :)

>> 
>>  Just wonder nowadays how would people appreciate a song. By its 
>>  lyrics? Melody? Arrangement? Singer's technique? Singer's outlook? 
>>  Singer's dancing skill? Or others? 
>>   
>
>For me, all of them except the outlook and dancing skill.  May be because
>I rarely watch music video and visual impression does not play a role in
>my appreciation of songs.  Things may change if CDV gets more popularity.
>Are we not far away from full scale cantonese musical just like the Broadway
>stuff?  I can't wait seeing Ah Lam playing Chinese Phantom :).

  Very funny indeed. :) There should be a long long way to go, though.

  For me, lyrics comes first, then melody, then arrangement and singer's
  technique. Period. 

  Sometimes, lyrics may have some flaws, but melody and arrangement can
  help a lot. I like listening to Leslie's <No Mood to Sleep>. I always 
  enjoy the few drum beats before the song. The arrangement of the song
  is flawless. 

  Cheers,
  leo.
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From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HKer like young people only?
Date: 24 Sep 92 12:06:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.

Change of subject. Has you noticed that? Most of the stars in Hong Kong are
very young (or young looking or pretend to be young). While there are much
more middle age actor (or actress) in western world (I mean USA or UK). I
can't remember any flim or tv series acted by middle age mainly. Is Hong
Kong people like young man (woman) only? I know that a lot of actors are
not young at all (in their 30 even 40). But the figure they acted in the
flim or tv are in their 20s or even teenager.

Also, it is so bad to see a lot of those Miss ??? on TV. Most of them can't
act. Would it better to put some vise there?

Commant?

Yuk
From: v999r377@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (J. Salleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: money transfer US->HK
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvnxwF.A8n
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep22.133018.9118@jho.com>, john@jho.com (John Ho) writes...
>kkc@loki.cs.wayne.edu (Kwok K. Chan) writes:
> 
>>>Additional information: not all Hongkong Bank ATMs support the Plus
>>>network, only those that displays the sign Electronic Money and the Plus
>>>symbol.  They can be found at the larger branches.
>>>

      I've got an account in Citibank in the States and I tried to use
the ATM in Citibank (Plus network) in HK.  I couldn't get money from there
and the manager told me it was due to the time difference between the 
two places.  Well, things might happen this way.

Also, Hongkong Bank supports Cerrus network rather than Plus,
as far as I know.  Please confirm. 


J.S.
From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: REPOST: Re: HK Lyrics (Re: Tat Ming Pair)
Keywords: Cantonese
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:15:30 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <9227611.12646@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> 
william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:
>
>	Aha. Yep. Poon's been drawing a lot more on real life situations
>	(those related to HK - politics and life, etc) than other writers.
>	The goal is good because more people will be able to relate to
>	the songs. That's important I think. If you want to write SOMETHING,
>	you must be rather conscious of those real life instances. You
>	don't have to write anything kind of profound, but relating the song's
>	contents to the reality(as said by Axl Rose) is admirably an ultimate
>	task for every good lyric writer to fulfill.

  Just want to comment about "profound". Too profound is *bad*. Take
  Wong Yiu Ming's individual album (is that <wish> "Yuen"?) as example, 
  it is too "high" for me: I just can't understand half of the songs. :)
  So I miss their realistic ones. "Wish" he would be more realistic and
  less "artistic" in the years to come.

>	Agree. Thanks to Tats Lau. His music(simple and neat) gave Chan  
>	the best room for putting words in. 
>	Also attributable to the fact that Chan had been Tats' student for 
>	quite some time prior to the formation of TMP, so they got to know 
>	each other pretty well and Chan should be more familiar with Tats' 
>	music than anyone(who was writing lyrics) was. 

  Is it true that Lau and Wong knew each other from newspaper ad?

  And about Lau, his music is kinda unique. You can tell it's his
  work from the music itself. Alan's <Assassinator> and Sandy's
  <Love Experiment> are examples.

>>
>>  Back to Sam's and TMP's lyrics, Sam is good at describing things in
>>  his songs using either spoken or written Chinese. In spoken Cantonese
>>  you will think that it is very "Dai Sei" but if it's in written 
>>  Chinese it just looks classical Chinese Poetry.
>
>	His work did anyway say SOMETHING. And that SOMETHING has 
>	distinguished him from those vulgar blokes(remember Wun Kwong
>	who sang "Snow White and the seven dwarfs?)   

  Hahahaha.
>
>	Does music marry lyric or lyric marry music??? - Which is
>	more important?

  Don't say which of them are better husband or wife! :) And don't
  say one is in love with other... :) :)

  I vote 1 for each of them, equally. 

  leo.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yat@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Yat Man Greg LIN)
Subject: Re: I am innocent
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:41:25 GMT

<U61508@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>Hi everyone,
>  Do you know who I am? if not, don't bother to read this, it's none of
>your business, get out of here.  If you know who I am, did you read the
>previous news "MADLY IN LOVE WITH HER"  I type this only for someone else
>name A____ T___.  So don't think I'm a lesbian. Bye!!!!

	WHAT ARE YOU POSTING THIS FOR THEN? 
	Do you know what are you talking about at all?
From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: About Leon Lai
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:49:00 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Alpha.Ranma@kcbbs.gen.nz (Raphael Cheung) writes:
>
>That's not really fair to say that Leon Lai sing "off-tune" since
>Sometime ago (about 1 month ago I think) in some sort of program that I
>have seen... Jacky Cheung had sing "off-tune" too... but how come there
>is no-one saying anything about it?

  Well, it is the difference between 99 in 100 and 1 in 1000.   :)

  leo.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Ph.D. in Hong Kong and U.S.
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:12:10 GMT

The entry level lecturer payment is about HK$28,000.  For the housing 
allowance, the person only need to pay 8-9% of his income.  The rest 
is paid by the university.  You can find this kind of adv in Physics
Today, IEEE etc.  I guess the payment in 3 univeristies are similar,
but HKUST probably has more research facilities in the next few years.

Raymund

Surface Science Western
University of Western Ontario
London Ontario N6A 5B7
e-mail: rkwok@uwovax.uwo.ca


Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:11800 soc.culture.taiwan:14091
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Subject: Re: Future of China........
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:58:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1ad0pfINNi2q@agate.berkeley.edu> tung@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel Ka Shun Tung) writes:
>
>...Consider Taiwan, people there are the same Chinese as we and the 
>people on the mainland are. It got little resources and its only asset is
>human capital. In just thirty something yr, it become a country that has
>the highest amount of foreign exchange reserve and its ecomonic power has
>surged and forbidded other countries to ignore it. For the mainland,
>resources are vast, and with the help of Hong 
>Kong, Taiwan, and Chinese in other parts of the world, if the 
>government policies are right, undoubtedly it can surpass US and become the
>world's economic superpower in the midst of next century.

I agree with most of your article, but Taiwan, HK, Japan, etc. got into "fast
track" economic development because of their export of manufactured products,
at least during the earlier stages.  China is such a huge country that no
country on earth can fully absorb her exports without damage to their domestic
economic stability.  Of course the CCP knows this, and hopefully has a
different strategy in mind.  But an analogy between China and the "4 Tigers +
Japan" is not complete.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung) / 11:55 am  Sep 28, 1992 /

Good god, at last we have a woman response to this thread. Welcome.

The status of woman? Depends on how do you look at it. Do you want a woman
is treated like a protected animal (sorry, this is the term we used in 
referring to someone we want to care) or treated as other men. 

In the first case, I believe we, man, should improved our way towards
woman. First, we mustn't let our wife to work, even we need to have ten
jobs. We open door for them. We protect them. etc. etc. We brings the best
food back home even we haven't had a drop of water for ten days. This is
the way we should treated a woman if we want to own them.

In the second case, you should expected every competition. Don't expect
your boyfriend to pay dinner bills. Don't expect he will wait for you if
you are lated. When rush to take a bus, be awared albows. Prepared to stand
in a two hours journary on bus in high heels. etc

My commant.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui)
Subject: Help : Information about Grad Schools wanted (CUHK, UST)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:57:19 GMT

Hope this wouldn't be annoying!

Can anyone on the net mail me information about graduate admission to 
CUHK & UST? I'm looking for information as listed :-
1. the addresses for enquiries;
2. the structure of the schools, eg., what are the departments under
   science and engineering faculties.
3. any information about admission procedure, eg., any dead line to
   meet, entrance examination, GRE requirement etc.

Thanks in advance.

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From: hhon@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Henry Hon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Research Companies in Hong Kong
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:50:47 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo
Originator: hhon@neumann.uwaterloo.ca

Hi, folks,

Does anybody know whether there are companies in Hong Kong that
have R & D? I mean those similar to the university research works.

Because I want to do some research and also have a better paid than
in the university.

Henry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs123057@cs.brown.edu (Chainsaw)
Subject: Re: Pauline Chan (Re: Stupidest HK babes (Re: Hottest HK babes))
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:17:43 GMT

In article <6130130@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
|> >soc.culture.hongkong / cs123057@cs.brown.edu (Chainsaw) /  5:31 pm  Sep 29, 1992 /
|> 
|> >Oh, so SHE is Pauline Chan.  Does anyone out there have a list of movies that
|> >she appeared in, I'm definitely interested in watching more of her art films...
|> >(I've only seen one of hers... which was really tamed considering that it's type III)
|> 
|> You would be a bit disapointted. She does not strip a lot in most of those
|> films. Only the Japanese (and from some unknown countries) girls have most
|> of the acts. I seen one, all I could see was one breast (not pair).

Well, she was a prostitude who always ended in S&M + bondage sex in the one I saw.  So
she was pretty much playing "hurt" during those scenes, is there a good movie there in
which she was at least "enjoying" the sex?

							Chainsaw