HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Peter.Averkamp@e20.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Peter Averkamp)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Khoros for a 700
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:37:35 GMT

On Jan 25, 17:32, William Cesarotti wrote:
{ Subject: Khoros for a 700
> Dear Sirs,
> 	I'm interested in installing Khoros on an HP 700 (Snake)
> machine equipped with CD Rom and DAT drives. Any information
> that you can give me on how to do this, and where to get
> the source would be appreciated.
> 
> Thank You,
> William Cesarotti
}-- End of excerpt from William Cesarotti


This is a FAQ:
    Q2. How do I obtain the Khoros system?
        What is the most recent version of Khoros?

    A2.              ----  anonymous  ftp ----
        The most recent version of Khoros, Khoros 1.0 Patch 5, can be
        obtained free of charge via anonymous FTP.
        Our official FTP site from which you can get
        the Khoros system is listed below.

        USA:            ftp pprg.eece.unm.edu  (129.24.24.10)
        (University of  Login:  anonymous  (or ftp)
         New Mexico)    Password: user_name@machine
                        cd /pub/khoros

        In all cases, we recommend that you first obtain the "install.ftp",
        "install.ms", or "install.ps" installation document found in the
        release/ directory, and read it before attempting to obtain the
        Khoros system.  The Khoros system is large, and fewer mistakes will
        be made if the proper documentation is read beforehand.

                    ----  USA tape orders ----
        If you are not on the network, or do not want to use ftp for some
        reason, you may order a tape of Khoros and printed manuals for a
        fee of $250 from:

        The Khoros Group
        Room 110  EECE Dept.
        University of New Mexico,
        Albuquerque, NM 87131
        email: khoros-request@chama.eece.unm.edu

        Please mail khoros-request@chama.eece.unm.edu to obtain the order
        form that must be filled out to place your order.

As you CCed this to Konstantinos Konstaninides, I assume that you will get
the porting info from him, as he has done the port. 

If you want binaries, Gerhard Bosch has set up an archive for HP Series 700
on peipa.essex.ac.uk [155.245.115.161] in ipa/khoros/bin.

\Peter

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Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: sheun@cs.city.ac.uk (Sheun Olatunbosun)
Subject: Help desperately wanted if someone is reading
Organization: City University, London
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:45:40 GMT

I've posted to this newsgroup a few times but have yet to receive any
replies. I suppose I'm posting this article just fo the sake of it.
Naturally, my problem has to do with Khoros, which is a very nice system
for the front-end user but not for the deep-end programmer/installer.

Okay here goes. I've installed khoros and parts of it (all the vroutines)
work. The other parts (xvroutines, and therefore the bulk of Khoros) which
use X libraries fall over hideously. Progress so far, I can compile the
the xvroutines, xprism2, cantata, conductor, etc but cannot run them
(segmentation fault, core dump). Now, I compile for example, a very simple
xvroutine such as <xvviewer> (display an ascii file) with 
CDEBUGFLAG=-g so that I can debug the produced object file. Unfortunately,
when I try to run "dbx", I get 

Reading ### symbols
Segmentation fault

How I can I start debugging a simple xvroutine (or are there even simpler
xvroutines), when the debugging tool I want to use fails? If I can't
trace the step by step execution of a routine then I can't diagnose the
location of the bug.

So what do you others out there suggest? Even if it's the smallest of
help, please tell me. If you can refer me to someone please tell me. I 
would like to believe that some communication/community help does take 
place here and that it's not just one person broadcasting to many.



I've seen many other postings from others experiencing problems with the
installation of Khoros, which is a big piece of software; and judging by
the number, I suggest creating a newsgroup just for Khoros installation
or at least a dedicated FAQ.

Sheun, City University, London
(A research student trying to install khoros, never installed software
before, called on the expertise of others, read previous irrelevant
solutions on this group, severely exhausted!)
From: Len.Makin@mel.dit.csiro.au (Len Makin, CSIRO DIT Melbourne.)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:Help desperately wanted if someone is reading
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:07:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.42816

Sheun, you wrote:
>I've seen many other postings from others experiencing problems with the
>installation of Khoros, which is a big piece of software; and judging by
>the number, I suggest creating a newsgroup just for Khoros installation
>or at least a dedicated FAQ.
	You must not read this group very often or you would know that
there IS a dedicated FAQ for installing Khoros. The last one posted was 11 Jan 93.
I will email you a copy. Presumably a new one will arrive in February.
Not sure if your problem with segmentation fault is caused by fault in installation
or because you need to have EVERYTHING compiled -g to use your debugger effectively.
You don't even mention what machine, operating system version, compilers, etc.
you are using. If you want people to help, you must provide such basic information.
Cheers,
	Len Makin
Len.Makin@mel.dit.csiro.au               | Senior Computer Scientist    |
CSIRO Division of Information Technology | Supercomputing Support Group |
723 Swanston Street, Carlton             | Tel: +61 3 282 2622          |
VIC 3053, Australia                      | Fax: +61 3 282 2600          |
From: Peter.Averkamp@e20.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Peter Averkamp)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Test suites available ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:33:55 GMT

On Jan 25, 14:03, Udo Christ wrote:
{ Subject: Test suites available ?
> Hello,
>  i recently compiled Khoros under Linux.
>  Now i would like to know if there are a few test programs
> to do a full test on the system just to ensure that everything
> works allright, before i make a public notice.
> 
> At the moment i don't think of making an untested public release
> since that stuff is pretty big, and i don't like to upload
> all of it again and again.
> 
> If you know where i can get such things or give me any advice,
> where the critical routines could fail i would very much appreciate it.
> 
> 		Thanx
> 	udo
> 
> email : uchrist@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de
}-- End of excerpt from Udo Christ

Hi Udo,
unfortunately there currently is no 'full Khoros compliance test suite',
but Khoros isn't a standard (yet). Maybe that's one of the reasons, why.

But I have some pretty complicated workspaces I can send you that will 
use quite a bit of the system. I'm also under way for setting up a 
machine /w Linux SLS, so we could try & verify our results locally.

\Peter



-- 
Peter Averkamp,                      | email:
Physics Department E20               | petav@radon.e20.physik.tu-muenchen.de
Techn. Univ. of Munich               | Phone: ++49 (89) 3209-2408 and -2814
D-8046 Garching, Germany             | Fax:   ++49 (89) 3209-2338
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: johnw@wixer.cactus.org (john winthrop)
Subject: khoros under os/2
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:07:03 GMT


has anyone ported khoros to os/2 (pm or non-pm), or aix/ps/2??

-- 
John Winthrop                    | "The only solution is:
johnw@wixer.cactus.org           |  cd /
cactus.org!wixer!johnw           |  rm -rf ."
=================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: udo@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Udo Christ)
Subject: Test suites available ?
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:03:36 GMT

Hello,
 i recently compiled Khoros under Linux.
 Now i would like to know if there are a few test programs
to do a full test on the system just to ensure that everything
works allright, before i make a public notice.

At the moment i don't think of making an untested public release
since that stuff is pretty big, and i don't like to upload
all of it again and again.

If you know where i can get such things or give me any advice,
where the critical routines could fail i would very much appreciate it.

		Thanx
	udo

email : uchrist@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de
From: kelly@c3serve.c3.lanl.gov (Patrick M. Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: C-3 Toolbox Updated 1/26/93
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:39:56 GMT


About a month ago I made a toolbox of routines available
on pprg.eece.unm.edu named c3.tar.Z.  A few more routines
have now been added into it, for those that are interested.
The most significant new routine is named "patrem".  This
routine (put together by Jim White) will generate a filter
for removing periodic patterns in an image (such as periodic
scanner noise, etc.)  An example of using this routine
is included in $C3/data/sample.wsp.02.Z.
 
     - Pat
 
All code in this toolbox is subject to the following copyright/disclaimer:
 
 
    ########################################################################
    #                                                                      #
    #  Copyright, 1992/1993, The Regents of the University of California.  #
    #  This software was produced under a U.S. Government contract         #
    #  (W-7405-ENG-36) by the Los Alamos National Laboratory, which is     #
    #  operated by the University of California for the U.S.  Department   #
    #  of Energy.  The U.S. Government is licensed to use, reproduce,      #
    #  and distribute this software.  Neither the Government nor the       #
    #  University makes any warranty, express or implied, or assumes       #
    #  any liability responsibility for the use of this software.          #
    #                                                                      #
    ########################################################################

--
Patrick M. Kelly
C-3  Mail Stop B-265                     Phone:    (505) 665-4665
Los Alamos National Laboratory           FAX:      (505) 665-5220
Los Alamos, NM  87545                    Email:    kelly@lanl.gov
From: dave@nimrod.idec.sdl.usu.edu (Dave Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: procedures
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:34:20 GMT

Hi: 

When I try to duplicate a procedure glyph,
  1) The input/output arrows don't show up on the duplicate glyph
  2) The glyphs within the procedure don't duplicate.

What gives?

David Edwards
Space Dynamics Lab
Utah State University
dave@chaos.idec.sdl.usu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: reid@sunpix.East.Sun.COM (Reid Judd - Sun NC Development Center)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros,alt.3d
Subject: Re: Line search-/ primitive extraction algorithms
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:09:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Visualization Products
Distribution: world
Reply-To: reid@sunpix.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: wild-rice-1.east.sun.com

|> grau@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Oliver Grau) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >I'm working on a project which deals with geometric modelling. That
|> >means I want to get a 3 dimensional model of an object from 2 dimensional
|> >pictures. In a first step I want to extract primitives like lines, polylines, 
|> >crossed lines and so on from the pictures. One kind of algorithms performing
|> >that task are vectorizers. These give a list of vectors as the resulting 
|> >description of one or more objects in an image.
|> >In this context I am searching for existing software on the net, which is 
|> >related to that topic. 
|> >I am also looking for algorithms which performs a matching of 3d symbolic 
|> >descriptions of objects.
|> >Pleases e-mail information directly to me. I will give a summary.
|> >
|> >Thanks,
|> >Oliver
|> >______________________
|> >Dipl.-Ing. Oliver Grau
|> >Inst.fuer Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik                         __
|> >Universitaet Hannover                          _   / .    _  _   / _  _ __  
|> >email: grau@tnt.uni-hannover.de               (_) / / |/ (  /   /__/ / (_/ /_/


  One reference work that you should look at is:

	"Three-Dimensional Computer Vision"
	Yoshiaki Shirai
	Springer-Verlag, Berlin, Heidelberg 1987
	ISBN: 3-540-15119-2
	      0-387-15119-2

  Also, please share any information that you find on this subject with me.
  I am currently developing software to do 3-dimensional depth extraction from
  multiple views of an object (stereo-opticon cards, aircraft recon. photos, etc)
  and I'd like to know what approaches have been successful and which have not.  

-- 
                                                     
          reid.judd@East.Sun.com             
                                                   
          Sun Microsystems
          Video Products Development Center          
          Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-3447           
	  (919) 460-8371
From: donohoe@jemez.eece.unm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  course outline
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:43:52 GMT

I have a set of course notes for my 3-day short course,  "Image
Processing with Khoros".  The notes (about 100 pages) are actually
the transparencies I use in the course. Subject matter is:
Introduction
Image creation and display
Data representation
Basic image procesing
Point processes (histogram manipulation)
Spatial filters
Frequency filters
Image analysis:  segmentation,  classification, clustering
Program control - loops,  procedures

I am happy to make these note available,  and in fact the Khoros
group have kindly agreed to distribute them for the price of printing.
(I don't have time to get into the distribution business).

The KGroup have the notes now and and making arrangements for printing.
They are very busy,  of course,  but I expect we shall be able to
announce their availability soon.

=========================================================
Greg Donohoe, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Electrical and Computer Engineering
University of New Mexico       donohoe@chama.eece.unm.edu
Albuquerque, NM 87131 USA          tel: 505-277-6724

"Lo urgente no deja tiempo por el importante."  -- Mafalda
=========================================================
From: khoros@embl-heidelberg.de (Khoros)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: toto
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:37:30 GMT

jojo
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: lange@cehp2 (David Lange)
Subject: Re: Khoros for a 700
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:27:22 GMT


>If you want binaries, Gerhard Bosch has set up an archive for HP Series 700
>on peipa.essex.ac.uk [155.245.115.161] in ipa/khoros/bin

The archive is empty.  Does anyone know of another source of binaries.  We're
also having problems installing khoros on an HP 720 (segmentation faults that
we're not sure how to correct), and the binaries would be an easy way out.

David Lange
Dept. of Civil Engineering
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-champaign
.
From: JIANG@solar.astro.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: sign-off
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:50:35 GMT

Khoros manager,

    Could you please sign me off from the mailing list? Thanks!

							Jiang
From: news@pprg.unm.edu (news)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Datacube Imageflow code for Khoros
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:00:26 GMT
Organization: U. of New Mexico, Albuquerque


We've just started using Khoros and have been very impressed with it in
comparison to the commercial packages we've used. Two questions have sprung
to mind though:

1) Has anybody implemented any of the Khoros functions on Datacube H/W 
   using Imageflow?
   
2) How well do the distributed processing features work?

Andrew.
From: luis@pasun1.gkss.de (Luis Kornblueh)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: editimage-problems ...
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:33:48 GMT

Hi,
I have problems in using edit- and putimage. I've translated the Khoros-package
on a Sun IPC/SunOS 4.1.3 with OpenWindows 3. After starting editimage or
putimage the OpenWindows sytem crashs. Is their anybody who knows why?
Cheerio, Luis
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From: vikcha@u.washington.edu (Vikram Chalana)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Variables
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:22:58 GMT

This is regarding the program "varviff". I wish to run this at the command
line and hence take the output to a Unix(C shell)  variable. But I am not able
to do so. Is the cantata 'variable ' not compatible with the C-Shell
'variable' ????


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Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: schultz@halley.est.3m.com (John C. Schultz)
Subject: Re: Bug? and correction in lvmdilate
In-reply-to: schultz@halley.est.3m.com's message of Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:35:09 GMT
Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:43:19 GMT

Whoops, the patch makes the corrected file lvmdilate.c.orig rather
than lvmdilate.c - please rename by hand.  Sorry.
--
   John C. Schultz   +1 (612) 733-4047   schultz@halley.serc.3m.com
   How to include the taste of Glendronach in a multi-media system?
From: donna@peabody.eece.unm.edu (Donna Koechner)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: procedures
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:54:27 GMT

On Jan 22, 12:19pm, Dave Edwards wrote:
} Subject: procedures
} Hi: 
} 
} When I try to duplicate a procedure glyph,
}   1) The input/output arrows don't show up on the duplicate glyph

As soon as you make connections to the input and output glyphs within 
the procedure, the arrows will be drawn.   (Currently, cantata does 
not know which glyphs within the procedure you want to use as procedure
I/O.)

}   2) The glyphs within the procedure don't duplicate.

Actually, they are duplicated, but they are not placed nicely.  I think
if you roam around in the procedure workspace, you'll find them.  I'll
add this to the bugs todo file for cantata.

Donna

} 
} What gives?
} 
} David Edwards
} Space Dynamics Lab
} Utah State University
} dave@chaos.idec.sdl.usu.edu
} 
}-- End of excerpt from Dave Edwards
From: khoros@embl-heidelberg.de (Khoros)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:41:43 GMT

toto
jojo
From: czr@ugcs.caltech.edu (William Cesarotti)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros for a 700
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:39:10 GMT

Dear Sirs,
	I'm interested in installing Khoros on an HP 700 (Snake)
machine equipped with CD Rom and DAT drives. Any information
that you can give me on how to do this, and where to get
the source would be appreciated.

Thank You,
William Cesarotti
From: anadeem@ampere.comp.graphics.research (Ahmed Nadeem)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: MRI And CT-SCAN Images For Dogs?
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:20:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: ampere.ANADEEM.93Jan27012051
Distribution: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Organization: /home/ampere1/anadeem/.organization

Netters,
      I am currently working on a research project that involves construction 
of realistic, solid or geometric models for dogs.
      Does anyone know where I can get serial section images( MRI, CT-SCAN, 
etc ) for dogs?
                                                       Thanks,
                                                              Ahmed Nadeem
From: buck@curie.nrl.navy.mil (Buck Buchanan)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: course outline
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:44:03 GMT

Hi,

A couple of weeks ago I posted a request for course notes.  Many people 
responded with "I want a copy of what you get".  Well with the exception
of those responses I received nothing.  Here is the outline of the course
I am now trying to put notes together for:

==========================================================================
Introduction to Khoros and Cantata Course

Session 1:
  UNIX and X-Windows environment
    .cshrc or .khoros_env
    .Xdefaults
  vman
  Image creation and display
  Data representation and conversion
  point, neighborhood and transform operators
  Xprism2 and Xprism3
  batch processing

Session 2:
  building standalone applications


The format is about 2 hours of lecture followed by a hands on practice 
session (lecture is in the morning and the practice session may last the
rest of the day).

Prerequisites: a basic understanding of image processing is required
for the first session.  People deciding to attend the second session
should be familiar with C programming and be able to use either the vi or 
emacs editors.
==========================================================================

The first session I pretty much can handle, but I have yet to try building
a standalone application by linking in library routines.  I guess I should
at least try that once before I get in front of a class.  This will take
me some time to organize because of all of the other things I need to do
around here.

Help will still be gladly wellcomed.

B Cing U

Buck


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From: khoros@embl-heidelberg.de (Khoros)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:40:52 GMT

toto
jojo
From: "TP" <HANLEY@mpcs.mskcc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: More Questions about 24 bit displays and Silicon graphics
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:40:23 GMT

I am a new khoros user, using khoros installed on a Silicon Graphics Personal
Iris 4-D. The operating system is Irix v4.1
I am encountering some similar problems to those found in the "Frequently Asked
Questions" (FAQ), namely

FAQ #30 - Editimage fails for zoom and annotations and replies with the same 
error message as in FAQ.

Upon checking my default visual using "xdpyinfo" it also turned out to be 
class: Pseudocolor
depth: 8 planes

Now FAQ #31 states that the X server supplied by Silicon Graphics does not 
support the 24 bit Read/Write Direct color visual- so I can't change that.

Another interesting problem is that some editimage features (window/threshold, 
colormap) work under strange conditions similar to FAQ #33, that is

: view an image in editimage; get 8 bit Pseudocolor display
: shrink editimage subform so Pan subform appears
: when the cursor is moved in the Pan subform the correct greyscale image 
  appears and also will be affected by window and thresholding
: when in the Pan subform all other windows lose their colors as in FAQ #33


So my basic question is can I get editimage and all its features to run on my 
system to display and annotate 512x512 8 bit gray scale images?