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From: JNKST41@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:21:05 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

In article <1992Dec18.193539.17584@worldbank.org> aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
[...]
>besides..the season's only begun...
>Didn't mommy ever tell you not
>to make fun of sleeping lions?
>
>(or was it sleeping loins??...damn can't
>EVER get that straight...)...

slipping groins maybe?

Things are just nuts in the office today. (really an off office)

TTFN

Walter
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Which Hall? Fame or Shame?
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X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:48:23 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:50:54 GMT

In article <MGG.92Dec18002105@corgie.ece.cmu.edu> Martin Greenberg,
mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu writes:
>My second game this week was definitely not subject to the infamous
>"second game jinx", and everyone in my league says that is that it is
>certain Hall of Fame material, but I still don't feel right about it.
>
>Here's the line:
>
>    0/  X   X   X   X   X   X   X   X  9-
>    20  50  80 110 140 170 200 229 248 257
>
>Yes, that's right. First ball in the channel. Convert the spare. 8 in
>a row (personal best). Hit light, leave the 7, and miss it.

....channel the first ball?...sounds like hall of shame to me! ;-)

>PS The other two games were 178 and 205. I believe it is my first
>   sanctioned 600 series (640). 


...ok I take it back...not a bad series...too bad the buck 78 wasn't over
deuce also..you might have shot a 700!...not to worry we still have
a long season ahead of us! :-)...




-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Sticks and stones...
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:35:39 GMT


Dave,

Sticks and stones may break my bones,
but whips and chains excite me...

..pffffttt!

besides..the season's only begun...
Didn't mommy ever tell you not
to make fun of sleeping lions?

(or was it sleeping loins??...damn can't
EVER get that straight...)...



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: ProHook Extreme vs. Dry back ends
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:27:53 GMT

  I don't know 'bout the rest of the country, but it seems that the teens
out West have more money than brains... I swan that they have to have every
new fangled ball that comes out on the market... And now, the rest of the story

  I went to Castro Valley (suburb of Oakland, CA) for an Adult-Jr tournament.
before each of the 4 squads, they would oil the first 30 feet of lanes, so you
had major skidding (& oil wakes) & then a seriously dry (Mr Roger's voice on
"Can you say Death Valley?"  "I knew you could!") remainder.  I watched some
kid with the PH X slide that ball on the "maple" (one board) & watched it take
off to the 7 pin almost every time! (Sometimes it didn't stay on the lanes that
long!)  I think that he would've had a higher score with a plastic house ball
on those lanes.  I think he would've had a higher score if he had adjusted! The
same shot frame after frame after frame! (Now that's diligence,...no intell-
igence, but plenty of persistance!)

  I had a good time also. (not a good series, just a good time)  My teen was
actually pleasant to bowl with (since she was concentrating on the 16 YO next
to us, & not the rotten scores we were getting! :-))) )  All in all, I recomend
DON'T BOWL IN CASTRO VALLEY!!!  THOSE LANES SUCK! er...excuse me...I don't know
what came over my keyboard...
Happy Holidaze.   Ms.Fitts
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:48:14 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Love to bowl. What is duck bowling?
 <92344.134413MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> <120@ddn-wms.nmi.com>
 <1992Dec16.195741@IASTATE.EDU>

In article <1992Dec16.195741@IASTATE.EDU>, whoknows@somewhere.outthere (Nuno
Bettencourt) says:
>
>In article <120@ddn-wms.nmi.com>, wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
>writes:
>>                                                                             )
>> there is one company who made (and still makes) duckpin setters.  lots of
>> bicycle chains and sprocket-type assemblies, looks much like a demonic
>> antique industrial strength chicken flogger.  8-)  lots of mechanics missing
>> parts of or entire fingers.
>
>        Is this really how the insemination is done? What is a chicken
>flogger?  Is that some type of device used to impregnate the female duckpins?
>It sounds very painful, and I'm definitely glad I'm human!
>        *sigh* So many questions... sorry to bother anyone.

Oh, no bother, Nuno.  I do, however, think you could have done better with
the chicken flogger though.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: dry vs. oily lanes
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:47:58 GMT

In article <9212172007.AA19146@theory.pppl.gov>
uunet!theory.pppl.gov!kvoss,  writes:
>If I hit the pocket well with one ball on oily conditions, what should I
do
>when I face a dry lane? Do I keep the same ball and drastically adjust my
>shot, or should I get another ball for those days? 
>
>And what about my wrist brace? Is it too much of a crutch? I have a high
>backswing and it seems to help at the top of the swing right now.
>

It really depends on: (1) can you afford another ball? and (2) what type
of ball you're currently using.

Most people find it easier to use more than one ball depending on the
conditions of the lanes and if they need a straighter ball for spares.

I use several different types of balls depending on the lanes conditions,
the condition of my shoulder and just how many balls I want to lug
around.

I think you'll find that the more serious bowler always has more than
one ball they use.  If  you are using a very round surfaced urethane ball
for oily conditions, it's pretty hard to use that same ball on dry lanes
without modifying the surface of the ball (e.g. polishing it up).  This is
find unless you happen to bowl in a house or houses that are radically
different.  Sand/polish, sand/polish...pretty soon you have a duckpin
bowling ball! ;-) ...

As far as wrist braces are concerned, if it works for you, then (IMHO)
go ahead and use it.   Just keep in mind the more restrictive the
wrist support is (e.g. Cobra clones etc), the less flexabilty you'll
have on the type of release you may want.  This may hinder you
from adjusting when lane conditions require constant adjustment.
Keep in mind that your ball reaction is based on several factors
including, lane condtion, surface friction of the ball itself and the
type of release you are using.  Obviously the two factors that you
have direct control over is the type of ball you are using and the type
of release you use.  Some wrist supports are so restrictive that you
can only release the ball one way.  Some of the more restrictive
supports attempt to give you maximum lift and turn on your ball and
this can cause real problems when the lane conditions start to
dry up.

I might suggest trying to remove your wrist support when the lane
conditions are very dry and see if you can reduce the amount of
lift and turn you are putting on your ball.  A minor adjustment like
that may be all you need instead of purchasing another ball.

Good luck and let us know how you do!


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Unbelievable!!
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:58:59 GMT

In article 724144195@mik.uky.edu,  michael@nx22.mik.uky.edu (michael d ward) writes:
>I just got back from practicing and I can't explain what happen, just hope it keeps happening!!  My average in the FBL is around 153, my saturday league 151, and my wednesday league 148.  This is my first week bowling with a hook and using my Prohook Extreme.  First wednesday with a hook I bowled a 208 and won all 4 games.  And tonight I just thought I'd practice after work(around 1am here) to see if I still could throw a hook.  First game was 180, second 168, and my third game was a 272!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great rolling!  But exercise extreme caution ... you might be making Aki jealous ...
:-)

>!!!!!!!!!  Unbelievable! I had 9 strikes in a row from the second game into the third. Then the third I had
>
>X X X X X 3/ X X X XX9

Nice line score!  OK, so we all have a bad frame in a game ... I just happen to
have 10 per game ...  ;-)

>Cant explain that 3/  :) guess the pressure got to me.
>Just hope I can continue this and maybe actually help our FBL team for oncE!!!!

Lessee ... what was his team number again?   :-)

>Oh well just got home from bowling and I had to share this with someone or someones and who better than those of alt.sport.bowling!!

Congrats on your bowling achievements ... keep it up, dude.

>Thanks for your time!...:)
>
>Michael Ward
>


Bob - why are the best games always rolled in practice?   :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: hak@alf.cooper.edu (Jeff Hakner)
Subject: Re: Unusual Spare Combinations
Organization: The Cooper Union ( NY, NY )
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 03:44:05 GMT

in article <1ftc8dINNo1l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek) says:
> Message-ID: <1ftc8dINNo1l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
> 
> 
> In league a few weeks ago, a teammate left a unusual pin combination:
>  
>             X . . X
>              X X . 
>               X .
>                .
>  
> the every common 2-4-5-7-10.  He is a stroker and the ball came in light.  
> I could see the bucket being left, but the ten pin also?.
>  
> This usenet list fueled an idea.  What are some of the most unusual spare 
> combinations you have seen.  As Earl Anthony said a couple of years ago 
> that todays bowlers don't leave spares, they leave "geometric patterns".  
> A great quote.
>  
> Here is another one I have seen 3 times, all by crackers:
>  
>             X . X X
>              X . X
>               . X
>                .
>  
> also a "very common" 3-4-6-7-9-10.  Each time I saw it, I said "NO WAY", but 
> there it was. A teammate did it twice in a month period last year.
>  
> What have you seen across the country??

The craziest spare I've ever heard of was left at Bowlmor Lanes, NYC:
The 7-8-9-10.  Question: where did the ball go?!

--Jeff Hakner
Cooper Union
NYC
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Unusual Spare Combinations
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:10:09 GMT

aki (aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec11.034405.22735@alf.cooper.edu> Jeff Hakner,
: hak@alf.cooper.edu writes:
: 
: 
: >The craziest spare I've ever heard of was left at Bowlmor Lanes, NYC:
: >The 7-8-9-10.  Question: where did the ball go?!
: 
: 
: it was one of those new fangled "skinny" balls...you know the one..
: it's the one that squeaks between the 6-10 pins....;-)
: 
: 
: 

A resin skinny ball that can blow the pocket and fit between the 8-9.
Starting to sound like candlepin to me.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

This weekend at practice we did have a rightie leave the 3-4-6-7-10 and
then on the next lane I left the 2-4-6-7-10.  Looked kind of neat side
by side.  Of course this is not recommended to help out the score of the
game (which I lost by 2 pins).

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king@ssvax.gte.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Survey on Bowling Prices
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Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:04:21 GMT

In article <1glptnINN25h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Jerry A. Jelinek,
ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>I bowl in and around Cleveland and Akron.  I will break up the rates I
come
>across in different areas.
> 
>	1) League Bowling - most run $10-15, but the high priced, big bucks
>	   masters league runs $27/week.  But you get around $3000 back at the
> 	   end of the year.
> 
>	2) Open Bowling - Cost $1.25 - $2.25/game.  Many housing also have
>	   rent-a-lane at 9pm-midnight Frid and/or Sat for $6.00.
> 
>	3) Summer Bowling - I'm fortunate enough to live about 20 minutes
>	   from Riviera Lanes (Home of the Firestone). During the summer they
>	   have open bowling for $0.99/game.  Gues where I practice during the
>	   summer?



1) lessee....league bowling - $10-$20 per night depending on how big
     a money league it is.

2) Open Bowling - oh boy...goes anywhere from .99 cents a game (noon to
5pm, 
    mon-fri, all day sat and sun) to $2.75 for regular.

3) Summer bowling - specials on and off all through the summer, anywhere
from .99 cents a game to full price...



Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Get a Grip
Date: 19 Dec 1992 19:17:05 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <37949@cbmvax.commodore.com> sullivan@cbmvax.UUCP (Mike Sullivan - CSG) writes:
>I keep noticing references to the newer types of balls and how everyone
>is doing better with them. But, I do not see what kinds of grips these
>people are using. 
>
>What is the the latest craze in grip ?  Conventional, Semi-finger tip,
>finger tip, or do you just palm the ball ? 

I'd say that at least the majority of serious bowlers (say, people 
in at least one league) use some version of a finger-tip grip.  Many
higher average players go with a relaxed finger-tip grip, since this
grip gives you finger-tip grip-type ball revolution, but less strain
on the hand and fingers over the course of many games.  The relaxed 
grip is somewhere between the normal finger-tip and semi-finger-tip, 
but closer to the normal than the semi.

The latest "craze" in grips has been the dropped ring finger finger-
tip.  It's a staple on the PBA tour, since it allows you to roll your
hand well under the ball and impart good revs.  But again, this grip
is more of a strain-relieving method than a revolution cure-all, since
the touring players need good ball revolutions while shooting in excess
of a hundred games a week.

Sorry, I think "palming" the ball is ridiculous...If you are willing 
to practice this method diligently and work out a method of spare
shooting similar to that of Mike Miller, then maybe you can become
an adept player...but most of the people who attempt to employ this
method of bowling don't bowl enough to be consistent and find them-
selves getting a few awesome strikes, but more bizarre spares to shoot
at.  So if you like shooting at bizarre spares, start palming the ball!

The best grip for you?  The one you feel most comfortable with, i.e.,
a grip that allows you to control the ball, not the other way around.
So even though everyone you bowl with may have a finger-tip ball, it 
may not be the ideal way for you to go.  However, just as in anything,
there are times where you have to take the plunge.  A finger-tip does
offer many positives for your game, and you'll never know how many
for sure until you try it.

I know that it's hard to make a change, in your case a radical one.
The game has evolved plenty since the days of Ebonite Tornados and 
conventional grips.  The best thing you can do is to have a ball
driller or a knowledgeable bowling friend watch you bowl and make 
suggestions.  Good luck and a Merry Christmas!
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Ebonite Crush (was Re: Turbo X Prices)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 18:39:36 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec19.020515.21512@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.000309.8365@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Mark Fujimoto,
>c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu writes:
>>Hmmm...I heard that the new Ebonite Crush and Crush-R are supposed 
>>to be the new high-end balls, replacing the Nitro line.  I'd guess 
>>that these might be in that price range.
>>
>
>hmmm..no news on these two new balls...heard anything about them
>yet?  All I got was junk mail on them..no real "meat" (so what 	ELSE
>is new?). 

Probably nothing you haven't already gotten in your notice -- 
The Crush is to be a hooking urethane, the Crush-R a reactive
urethane, both with a FOUR-piece design, something a little
different.  Ebonite is having a new product seminar here in the
Bay Area in January, so I'm going to try to attend.  If I can 
get any worthwhile information, I'll post it then.


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: michael@nx22.mik.uky.edu (michael d ward)
Subject: Unbelievable!!
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx22.mik.uky.edu!michael
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:09:55 GMT

I just got back from practicing and I can't explain what happen, just hope it keeps happening!!  My average in the FBL is around 153, my saturday league 151, and my wednesday league 148.  This is my first week bowling with a hook and using my Prohook Extreme.  First wednesday with a hook I bowled a 208 and won all 4 games.  And tonight I just thought I'd practice after work(around 1am here) to see if I still could throw a hook.  First game was 180, second 168, and my third game was a 272!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!  Unbelievable! I had 9 strikes in a row from the second game into the third. Then the third I had

X X X X X 3/ X X X XX9

Cant explain that 3/  :) guess the pressure got to me.
Just hope I can continue this and maybe actually help our FBL team for oncE!!!!


Oh well just got home from bowling and I had to share this with someone or someones and who better than those of alt.sport.bowling!!

Thanks for your time!...:)

Michael Ward

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: Which Hall? Fame or Shame?
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:45:02 GMT

In article <9750650@MVB.SAIC.COM> frodo@logjam.trg.saic.com (James R. Brownell III) writes:
>	Another entry to the hall of shame / fame. Last summer I bowled against
>a guy that had the following line score:
>0/ X X X X X X X X XXX 
>	for a 290, yes he threw a gutter ball in the 1st and then knocked
>down 12 straight racks. He was somewhat frustrated at the game, me, I would love
>to bowl a 290.

I've got that one beat...about 2 years ago I shot the first 10, *THEN* a
gutter, then got the spare. 280. I still hear about it from the guys in that
league. Fortunately I made up for it earlier this year by finally getting
my first 300.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: new balls...details unknown..
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:34:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.161044.166@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>Just letting everyone know, I got a notice from the PBA about
>two new RhinoPro balls that are available...the Teal blue RhinoPro
>and I forgot the other one...I'll try and post the details tomorrow
                                                    ^^^^^^^
                                                    ^^^^^^^
>for anyone who may be interested in ordering one....
>
>[golf joke deleted]

You get details?!  I got the same letter yesterday, and it could have 
just as well said: "Brunswick has 2 new urethane balls - send $88 / ball
to them if you want some...You can start using it on mm/dd/yy....."  

It's about time the manufacturers start sending us *real* details, like the 
type of weight block, suggested layouts, expected ball reactions (comparative,
of course :-)  ), etc.  Right now, you almost have to wait for the next 
regional to get any *real* details about the ball.  

So, should I write the letter to home office, or you?  :-)

Vince


P.S. - Just drilled up a Purple Rhino Pro and a Burgundy Hammer.
The Burgundy definitely out hooks the Blue Hammer, and the
Purple Rhino Pro is as good as everyone has said.  I was told it
had the least over/under reaction of the "cheaters".  From what I saw 
last night, compared to Storms, X-caliburs, etc., I have to agree.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:08:19 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: ProHook Extreme vs. Dry back ends
 <1992Dec16.132444.29340@bnr.ca>

In article <1992Dec16.132444.29340@bnr.ca>, jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
says:
>
>        I hate those intelligent keyboards (NO YOU DONT!!). :)
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------^--------------
>jeffh@bnr.ca | My opinions do not represent those|            /|\
>mss          | of my employer or any other person|           \ | /
>-------------|-------------------- I know.       |            \|/
>Chaos is fine expect when your   | SO THERE!     |<------------+------------>
               ^^^^^^      ^^^^
>on the support help line. jjh    |---------------|            /|\
>                                 |    GO!!!      |           / | \
>                                 |   COWBOYS     |         |/_ | _\|
                                      ^^^^^^^

You obviously got a beta test version of the "intelligent" keyboard.  I heard
they never actually released that one.
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