HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: chat - similarities
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:27:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Jul29.190110.9728@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>>>..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
>>It looks much more like a resume.   Are you looking for a job?  :)
>>This is just a joke.   OK?
>
>Reading s.c.asian.a one can notice a thread regarding pride one confers
>on degree (PhD etc) one gets from Ivy league schools, etc.  Well, I
>cannot help noticing similar amongs Koreans and thereafter generation.
>Notice that I am not directing it to anyone in particular, but 
>merely pointing out some possible similarities among East Asians.  
>

At first, it was a joke, then it became the old discussion on the Koreans'
educational drives. 
The first signature I used included, "Do you know Korea Inst of Tech?"..
and several people replied , "Yes, I do".
So I changed the signature , hence now it reads "graduate of ...".

The lessons I got from this..
1) people do read the signature
2) some people do know the existence of KIT (even non-Koreans)
3) some people are bothered by this.. :-)  ( I realized that only a few
   netters write such things in .signature..)

I don't see anything wrong in taking pride in one's own alma matar.. I spent
couple years (not exactly 4 years) on the campus..I learned many things,
I met many friends, I met my teacher..etc..etc..
The thing is,in Korea, people differentiate between different universities..
often ranking them.  So what?  I was bothered with this..so I didn't go to
the university people were talking about. I think now we start to accept the
idea that there can be many good universities in Korea.. so for that matter,
I myself show  my pride (beware of word games..I don't mean "arrogant" or
such thing..just "self-esteem" thing).                  
BTW, I (and my alumni) experience many hardships in establishing the image
of our school since still some people has that conception of "only one best"
in their mind.

Sorry for provoking inconvenience to many. I didn't mean to offend any.
If you find any statement above "offensive", please take it as a joke.
If you can't, flame me. 

p.s. my younger brother goes to THE best univ.. :-)

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    physics...management science...and then ECONOMICS!!!
E-mail : kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........
From: syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com (Sang Y. Yum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Try VADA hangul from my sun
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:31:38 GMT
Reply-To: syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Teradata/NCR

In article 3123@ducvax.auburn.edu, hjkim@ducvax.auburn.edu () writes:
>I am going to open my sun account for a week and
>will upload VADA hangul word processor which is freeware I believe.
>I ftped it from Kaist and found it is very similar to area ah hangul.
>If you still do not have Hangul Word process, try it
>
>
>ftp pin 131.204.44.100
>user: kim
>passwd:kim0000
>cd hangul
>
>file name vada.zip
>
>download this zip file and use pkunzip.
>
>
>P.S. This door will be closed by 07/28/92.


Will you let us know how you like it?  I tried it a couple of month ago.
It seems well-written program  except that it doesn't come with many printer drivers.

For example, I couldn't print anything with my Epson LQ-510 printer.

Good luck!

Sang
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: chat - similarities
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.190110.9728@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>
>Did anyone have an experience of meeting middle to old Korean lady never 
>seen before and minutes later, lady starts talking about PhDs and MDs
>among her offspring, nephews and nieces, not forgetting to mention school 
>names (specially if big time ones) in between?  
>

Yes, it's kind of prevalent in Korean mothers..(assuming there are that many
good schools..:-).. oh,of course, there are many in US!)
But considering in each personal cases, shouldn't the mothers, or for this
matter, the parents feel good about sending their child to school?  For a
family with very low socio-economic status, it's a real good thing that a
boy goes to an university in US... (even though my mom doesn't exactly 
remember the name of school I'm currently attending. :-)).


-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    physics...management science...and then ECONOMICS!!!
E-mail : kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........
From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: HANGUL FOR MAC!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:56:38 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs

In article <1992Jul21.003440.7089@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, 9125092l@lux.latrobe.edu.au (David Moon ) writes:
> 
> Hi..i am looking for a hangul word processor for Mac..does anyone know
> any FTP site which has this software?? Any help will be appreciated!!
> 
> By the way...what does the name Seon-Ho mean??
> 
>      /   |      \
>     /\ --|   -------
>    /  \  |     ( )
>      |____      |
>              -------                ok..that looks good enuf... :)
> 

There is no Hangul Word Processor for the Mac.  What you need is the
Korean Fonts or a Korean System 6.0.7.  I believe that the Korean System
is available on the FTB apple.com and/or the developer's CD from Apple.

If not, I know that MacConnection has some Korean Fonts that you
can purchase for about $50+.  Depending if you want the PS Type 3
drivers or just the bitmap fonts for Imagewriters.

It works pretty well I don't have any problems with the fonts except it
doesn't work ATM since it's type 3 fonts and not Type 1.

Questions?  Comments?

Il Hyung Cho
cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com




>
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Maoist reply to Jeong-Gyun Shin on north Korea
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:23:48 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <9207302224.AA05560@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET (Maoist Internationalist Movement) writes:
>We don't want to move from an imperialist country to a state-capitalist
>country.

	Wasn't the 'We' supposed to be 'I'?

>As a matter of fact, you anti-communists have a lot in common
>with Kim Il Sung:

	Yes, I do; I and he has the same last name with the same
	orig.; I have a dick, and I guess he has one; and I'm
	proud of it; don't you have one?

	Hmm, excuse me if you have the other, or none.

>He is providing counterinsurgency aid to Peru, just like the United States.

	And I'm not the United States; I'm a human-being - Korean;
	and I'm ANTI-ANYTHING-THAT-TAKE-FUN-OUT-OF-LIFE..

>So maybe YOU should move to north Korea, since you are also an
>active anti-communist.

	Have you been there as an active anti-communist?
	I don't want to take any risk unless you can provide
	some proof.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: T.V.
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:19:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.041847.23434@ncsu.edu> jkim@eos.ncsu.edu (JIUN KIM) writes:
>
>[a long diatribe against "unrealistic" TV show deleted]

    	Yeah?  So?  Come on, this is just a TV show.  It's not real.  I have
heard your argument so many times when I was living in Korea, it's not
even funny.  So many shows on TV are criticized and cancelled because they
supposedly divide the riches from poor.  For crying out loud, it's just
a TV show.  So what if a TV show promotes some unmoral life?  You don't
have to watch it.  Sheesh.

>
>Jiun Kim(jkim@eos.ncsu.edu)
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
>jkim@eos.ncsu.edu      Dept. of Computer Science, 
>kim-j@aza.csc.ncsu.edu       North Carolina State University. Raleigh, NC
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ckim@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Cheol Kim)
Subject: Re: T.V.
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:43:25 GMT


I took mistaken to reply subject, T.V. without my comment. Sorry.

I had envied Koreans enjoyed T.V. like "yak sok", "Jil Too", etc. but I couldnt
watch it because It doesn't show Korean caption or subtitle. I'm hearing impai-
red. I demanded to watch TV in Korea with caption since I was a child. It was
not worthy for KBS or TBC to accept serving caption for those people. About less
than 100 millions hearing impaired Koreans could not understand voices - funny,
sad voices from T.V. Some hearing impaired groups asked KBS a few years ago to
transmit caption or subtitle. KBS staffs did not give what the groups wanted.

So I watch foreign films with subtitle. It is better than Korean TV. I assume
that I have to forget Korean tradition from Korean drama...

Cheol Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ckim@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Cheol Kim)
Subject: Re: T.V.
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:47:47 GMT


Sorry. Not 100 millions. Correction is 100 thousands.

Cheol Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: T.V.
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:56:10 GMT

park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:

>In article <1992Jul26.024122.3262@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:

>>Can anyone recommend some good stuff?

>Go rent mini-series "Jil-Too".

Or "Hae-Bing-Gi-Eui-A-Chim" which features Gang-Seog-Woo and ...what was the
lady's name... Park-Soon-Ae?

I'm going through it at the moment and finding it quite moving.


Originally a novel by Han-Soo-San.



Woong-Ki


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:40:46 GMT

In article <15766@pitt.UUCP> cho@cs.pitt.edu (Il-Hyung Cho) writes:
>Hope this is not irrelavant to this group.
>In Korea, 'Jong-Mahl-Lon'(eschatology) is drawing an attention from both 
>religious and non-religious people.

It is drawing attention here too.  There is a Korean center for the
preparation of this event near Korean town in Chicago.  And I have seen big
ad for this on a Korean newspaper in Chicago as well.  As expected, those
who believe this stuff are dead serious.  And I am preparing for a big
laugh in October.

This kind of stuff happened repeatedly over time.  And people are still
suckered in every time.  Pretty amazing.  On the other hand, we can
extrapolate that this "eschatology" stuff is no different from the
mainstream christianity except they have a specific date.

When (not if, but when) it fails in october, we can confirm the old wisdom
that predictions (or prophecies) tend to survive better when they are
vague.  They would have lived longer if they did not give a specific date.
But then again, they would not have been as popular without this pressure
of immediacy.  One never failed preying on people's fear.

James Choi
From: slzw0@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Yonsei Univeristy
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:53:22 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Yonsei University has both link for bitnet and internet.  Once he become a
student in Yonsei, he can get a account at IBM which has bitnet (krysucc1)
link.  However, the internet link is only for computer science department
(Sun) and  I don't think  he may be able to get an account at that machine.
You can still keep in touch with him over the bitnet link but logging on
the bitnet machine to talk to him, is impossible as far as I konw.

The place where he is going to study is called, " Han-Kuk-Uh-Hak-Dang "
I was a undergraduate student in Yonsei but I don't know much about
"Han-Kuk-Uh-Hak-Dang"  He can get an information by calling 822-392-6405

Good Luck.

C.S.  Park
From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: HANGUL FOR MAC!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:17:11 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Lab

In article <1992Jul22.143727.18865@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, jumpark@n3000a.ece.wisc.edu (jong-min park) writes:
 
> 
> Actually, 2-byte Hangul (HangulTalk 6.0.7 or 7.0) must be used with a
> word processor that recognizes 2-byte codes, and I believe NISUS is the
> only one that satisfies it. Sure, you can use others, but it won't be
> a pretty sight.
> 
> Jong-Min
> 
> 
Actually, I have no problems with it and I'm using MS Word 5.0.  I don't
understand about the 2-byte codes but I'm willing to send you a copy of 
the print out that I have for the fonts.  Also, a friend of mine have converted
the PS fonts to True Type so that it's compatiable with System 7.0

Il Hyung Cho
From: ckim@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Cheol Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: '92 President Vote
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:23:12 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University




  Hello... I would like to have your opinion about Clintion or Bush
for President of U.S.  Does Bush have good jobs to you as Korea-American?
Or Bill Clinton is better?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: Shin Chaeho and Chosun-sang-go-sa
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:19:12 GMT

hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:

>Anarchism was very popular among the early participants in the
>Korean Independence movements. They denied the authority of the
>Japanese who ruled Korea, just as they would have denied the
>authority of ANY form of government that could use coercive
>force (police, military, or tax collectors). 

This is interesting.
Does this mean that they wanted an independent Korea without a state?
I wonder what their idea of independent Korea was.


Woong-Ki


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: Shin Chaeho and Chosun-sang-go-sa
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:01:49 GMT


hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:

>I wonder if Shin Chaeho became an anarchist after or before he wrote
>Chosun-sang-go-sa(CSGS)? I knew of Shin's anarchist political views much
>before I read CSGS,

I haven't heard of him being an anarchist, but if he was then it seems
strange to me as there was no government in Korea anyway when he was
around. Of course, he obviousely didn't like the rule by the Japanese
government and he was chased around by the Japanese police most of life
for that, but that shouldn't label him an anarchist should it?

....or did he do or say some specific thing which makes him deserve to be
called an anarchist?

>and many parts seemed to allude that
>decentralized political systems were superior to the strongly
>centralized confucian systems that Korea seemed to have since
>the Koryo dynasty. In the parts describing Kokuryo, it is described
>as an oligarchy of 5 aristocratic families, while it was at its
>peak. If I remember correctly, Shin seemed to blame Yeon Gaesomoon,
>the military dictator who was de facto ruler in the years preceding
>the fall of Kokuryo, for trying to establish a more centralized
>system. I think he argued that the centralization of power
>resulted in a less "fault-tolerant" system that broke apart when
>Yeon died.

Hmm..., I'm not sure about this.
Shin actually assesses Yeon-gae-so-mun quite positively for achieving the
centralised power system and claims that this enabled Koguryo to be victorious
in wars with Tang.
Yes, there are many who blame Yeon for the collapse of Koguryo but I don't
think this was Shin's view.

>BTW, does anyone know what the status of Shin's works are among
>historians in Korea and outside these days? Respectable or 
>fringe?

According to professor Lee Man-Yeol of Sug-Myeong Women's univ., Danjae
Shin Chaeho is accepted as the founder of modern historical science of
Korea. He is especially highly regarded for establishing a new model of
Korean history by piecing together fragments of records that had been left
in a jumbled mess for a long time.
It is true, despite this, that there are problems with his model of Korean
history in that there currently is no way of verifying some of his theories
thus forcing them to remain as conjectures, but a number of his "conjectures",
such as the one that Paekche ruled the Chinese mainland, and another one
about the existence of Dong-Yi civilization extending from the Chinese
mainland to Korean peninsula, were taken seriously by the present academia
and some significant progress have been made.

>-Han


Woong-Ki



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Suh Jung Yul <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: another gold !
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:20:30 -0500

Chun Byung-Kwan in WeightLifting !

J. Suh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ayim@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim)
Subject: Yeonsei University 
Keywords: Yeonsei
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:51:32 GMT

Hi netters,

I have a friend going to Yeonsei University this fall from
Canada to study the korean language. I would appreciate any
info about the Universuty or the language course there.

He is also interested in keeping in touch via this fantastic
net system of ours but wants to know how easy it would be to
get an account when he gets there.

Please, if you have gone to the University or are currently at the 
University, e-mail me.

Much thanks.
-- 
****************************************** 
*  Alfred (Yong-Jeh) Yim                 * 
*  4A Mathematics (Act. Sci.)            *
*  University of Waterloo                *
*  E-mail: ayim@descartes.waterloo.edu   *
******************************************
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: T.V.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:11:50 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul30.021913.19479@ncsu.edu> jkim@eos.ncsu.edu (JIUN KIM) writes:
>The important fact is that TV is very influencial to people.

	Fact?  Well, in such a sense, everything is very
	influencial to all; but not every TV is very infulencial
	to everyone.
	Unless you are not me, you won't know how much TV is
	influencial to me.

In article <1992Jul30.172856.10149@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>
>"My role in society, or any artist of poet's role, is to try and express
>what we all feel.  No to tell people how to feel.  Not as a preacher, not
>as a leader, but as a reflection of us all."

	Very good one; but John's R.I.P.;
	while TV won't.

	For me, as I expressed myself earlier, as long as
	I can kill my time with it, it won't matter -
	here, I meant it by anything morality, validity, truth or lie...

	And that's why I avoid any prize-awarded program or movie.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
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	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: An open letter to the Maoists...
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:37:08 GMT

	I have to agree with Andrew that this thread has been rather...
stimulating to say the least.  And this letter is an invitation to the
Maoists at MIT.

	Dear MC5,

	While I was reading this thread, I was struck by your comment that
you do not wish to use Usenet as a tool for self-aggrandizement and
self-expression, but rather as a tool for discussion and education.  Well,
I like that.  I would like to discuss your ideology and my ideology.  (BTW,
I believe in Christian Democrat doctrine of Germany.)  However, I do not
know your ideology very well.  My opinion of Maoists are those people who
pay homage to Mao at Tiannanmen Square...not much more.  So if you care
to explain to me what Maoism really is, and how it affects your views on
such issues as economy, human rights, and environment, I would discuss  
those issues with you without name-calling and mud-slinging.  The above
three issues are what I'm interested in the most.  So prithee, tell me
more about them.

						-Yours Truly,

-- 
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Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | You can find me sitting at my desk
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.234309.106@syacus.acus.oz.au> ron@syacus.acus.oz.au (Ron Williams) writes:
>I personally think that Christianity, at least in its fundamentalist form,
>is a mind-virus, and not worthy of the attention of intelligent people. That
>many apparently intelligent people are infected by this nonsense is a cause
>for sadness - especially in Korea, Japan and China, 

Japan proved itself to be remarkably resistant to this "mind virus".  So, I
would not include Japan in this list.

>Ron Williams.

James Choi
From: ndua@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: test
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:18:47 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

hello!
From: umsk@unixg.ubc.ca (HanJoo Eom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: volleyball
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:52:56 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <3991@news.duke.edu> lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>Hey, does anyone out there know the roster for the Korean volleyball
>team? and what are their chances of winning anything?  Not good, eh?
>
>-Steve Lee

In general, there is a slim chance for Korean men's team to get in
quarter final in Olympics (they have very strong two teams in their
pool).  However, there is always a chance.  Sport competition is
basically an event that is governed by full of uncertainties.
Considering they beat Italy several weeks ago in Seoul, there is a 
possibility for them to be within 8th.  From there, a bit easier way
to semifinal-competitions. -- Just my fingers crossed --.
--Um--
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