From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Susan's Devolution: Impossible, one can't devolve that far (was Re: Chaney's evolution
Keywords: Chaney does hypocrisy
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:08:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul24.000728.19157@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
#In article <1992Jul23.201259.13082@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
##
##First he says:
##
##In article <1992Jul13.180817.8498@csus.edu# chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Steve Chaney) writes:
##
###And please don't mention Operation Rescue. They're terrorists and
###theocrats, and they do not represent even the minutest minority of the
###pro-life movement. They're so far out on the fringe that they make the
###National Right to Life Committee cringe, and I thought that was hard to do,
###with Reagan being one of their big heroes. Operation Rescue is a stereotype
###icon they use in the same way as the media used to use Buckwheat for racist
###stereotypes. 
###Did I forget to say I loathe Operation Rescue?
#
##Then, he forgets that *he* thinks they're terrorists and says:
#
#I've seen quite a bit of harassment from OR on television which
#qualifies as terrorist acts meant to embarrass and scare people, or
#even damage a business. 
#
#I even saw the kids attacking (and getting under) the cars. 
#
#_THAT_ I loathe. 
#
#Nothing of that has yet changed. 

Right Dennis.  See your own words below.

##In article <1992Jul16.212959.27615@csus.edu# chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
##
###But what about the rushing of the clinic doors, the bombing and the
###vandalism and all that terrible terrorist stuff? 
###
###Maybe because you guys weren't doing all of that, the media didn't
###want to cover it because it screws up their Operation Rescue image. 
###
###In short, when they show your rescue scene to TV and cry, "This is
###terrorism!" people will laugh in their face. 
#
#Well, did you read the message I was responding to? 

Yes, it described the actions of O.R., an organization that
you claim to loather.

#The person I was responding to - which you failed to include in your
#article - and I believe it was Steve Kellmeyer - was involved in a
#peaceful, nonviolent, non-getting-under-the-car rescue that did not
#include blocking doors or anything else like that. 

According to O.R., all of their actions are just as Kellmeyer
described.  

#_THAT_ is not terrorism, Susan Garvin. 
#
#
#He did not fit the actions regularly committed by Operation Rescue.
#Hence, OR is irrelevant to this article except that I had mentioned he
#did not fit the OR image and could not be exploited by the media a la
#"all black people have tails." (To you readers, I am rather qualified
#to talk about racism..) So he was ignored by them. 

(To you readers, for once I agree with Chahallney.  He *is* rather
qualified to talk about racism.  I've rarely seen anyone be
as blatantly racist on the net as he is.)

I realize that gullible fools like you believe everything
that they're told, Dennis, but most of us more intelligent
people don't.  In particular, when you have seen the very blockades
that O.R. describes as non-violent and been injured in them,
you tend to doubt their veracity.

##And, finally, he endorses O.R.'s violent tactics wholeheartedly and
##says:
##
##In article <1992Jul23.162222.2854@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
##
###That depends. If the rally is at the clinic, he would call the cops
###and the RESCUERS would get their asses beat. 
###
###If he's at their meetings and he tries to cause trouble, that'll be
###the last time we ever see Chris Long. 
###
###I hope. 
#
#I said: 
#1) If he catches OR committing the crime, he ought to call the cops
#and OR would get their _asses_ beat and then thrown in jail. 
#This is _EXACTLY_ what I have been saying all along, Susan. There is
#NO endorsement of OR's well-known tactics, here. NONE. 

Are you under the impression that every police officer in the country
is as violent as you are, Dennis?  What on earth makes
you think that being beaten is a prerequisite for going
to jail?  

Your original words are included above.  Your new interpretation
is at odds with them.

#2) If he bothers them at their meetings, where no crime is being
#committed, or at their rallies, where they're pep-talking and just
#gathering for a morale boost, they may beat _HIM_ senseless, and
#deliver him to the _POLICE STATION_ where I hope they'll lock his
#nonsensible self up forever. Unfortunately, they'll let trash like
#that walk in a few months... 

Why would they need to beat him senseless, Dennis?

Have you seen a therapist to talk about your obsession
with violence?  It could get you in trouble when you
grow up.

#Susan Garvin, you are stupid. I have been slamming and destroying your
#accusations about me so effectively and for so long now, that any
#leftover notions I had about your being highly intellegent, have now
#disappeared. 

Dennis, first of all,the word is spelled intelligent.  
Are you incapable of learning that one little word.

You have yet to "destroy" any of my accusations.  You have
continued to twist and lie and to run and hide.  

I am glad that you post here, though.  There have been days
when I'm in a bad mood, and I have often been cheered up by
the abusurdities that you manage to tap out on your keyboard.

I entertained a whole group of people with your Margaret
Sanger story.  They're glad that you're willing to make
a fool of yourself, too.

#Your intellegence has devolved to the level of a paramecium, not to
#mention your blatant, in-your-face lies. 

Please provide evidence that I have lied in talk.abortion.

Your lies, of course, are well known.  (the "Jews of New York",
Jay Stein is "rolling thunder", Dennis Hall, Margaret Sanger,
need I go on?)

#Susan, are you one of those people whose faces I keep seeing above the
#words, "One more reason to keep abortion legal?" 
#
#I really have to work hard to convince people after they've seen
#genuine screw-ups like you, that abortion should be banned... 

Tell us again that you're opposed to abortion because of
your compassion, Dennis.  Then wonder why no one believes
a word you say.

Susan