From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Nadia: Cool Out / History & Scholarship
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:39:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr9.233919.18389
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Apr9.030020.21155@cco.caltech.edu> bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.134400.10529@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr4.082957.16813@cco.caltech.edu# 
>>bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>>
>>[.....]
>>
>>#In fact, I myself confirmed the statements about the Mufti.  Remember:
>>#I said in my article that the Mufti's actions were inexcusible.  This
>>#implies that I believed the accusations against him were correct.  
>>#(BTW, I read the whole of Brenner's book about 2 years ago).
>>#
>>#The point of my article was that what is more surprising than the 
>>#mufti's cooperation with the Nazis is the Zionists attitude toward
>>#the Nazis.  
>>
>>It is *NOT* "the Zionist attitude towards the Nazis". It is the suggestion
>>of a small splinter group, at the time of a small importance in Israel,
>>to cooperate with Germany in fighting against the British. It was 
>>suggested as part of a plan to evacuate European Jews into Israel, and
>>was made at a time when the Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews was not
>>yet known (although admittedly their negative attitude and hatered of
>>the Jews were no secret). If looked upon objectively, it can be seen
>>as an effort to get Jews out of Europe and save them from persecution.
>
>If I remember correctly from my reading of "Transfer Agreement" and
>"Zionism in the Age of Dictators" about two years ago, the cooperation
>with Germany was not by "a small splinter group" at all.  It representated
>dominant Zionist policy.

Obviously, you don't; Leon Gross has refuted this.  Plus, the bias of
both these sources has clearly been shown, and I think anyone who has
fairness in his or her mind would strongly doubt both sources' veracity.
Face it, Behnam, your arguments have been completely refuted.

>>What I find much more surprising is that Syria is *still* harboring
>>a first rate Nazi criminal, Alois Brunner, who lives like a king in
>>Damascus. in 1987, Brunner said in an interview to an American newspaper
>>that he is "happy that I gassed Jews because they are human waste and
>>the creation of the devil". Why Syria keeps sheltering this scum is
>>beyond my comprehension (or maybe it is not).
>
>I don't know if the above charge is true or not.  If it is true, of course,
>then I think Syria should put him on trial.

It is true.  However, Behnam, what is the chance that he could get a
fair trial in Syria?  I'd say essentially zero, given his connections in
the Syrian government.  Plus, there is a principle both in American and
other nations' laws that says that if possible the accused must fully
confront the charges and evidence against him.  This could *not* be done
in Syria.  Your answer avoids the question.  Alois Brunner should be
extradited to ISRAEL for trial.

-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman  <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> or <eric@lyra.Colorado.EDU> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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