HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson)
Subject: Re: How are people managing sources?
Reply-To: olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Organization: Chemical Engineering, Cornell University, NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:31:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.195359.1@vax.path.ox.ac.uk>, jasper@vax.path.ox.ac.uk writes:
>In article <4362@mitech.com>, gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette) writes:
>> How are people managing their sources now that there are two VMS
>> platforms, VAX and ALPHA?
>> 
>> For example, I would love to be able to access my CMS libraries
>> that are sitting on my VAX directly from my ALPHA machines.
>> However, CMS does not support any network operations, and mixed vms
>> clusters are not something that claim to be supported.
>> 
>
>Well, I don't have an Alpha (yet), but the word on the street is that you can
>cluster VAX and Alpha. 'and anonymous official from our favorite computer
>company" said that it would work, it just was 'not supported'. 
>
>Does anyone have a mixed cluster working? (Or aren't you allowed to say?)
>Letting us know that you are not allowed to say, will of course tell us that
>it works :) 

I have a DEC 3000/400 alpha in a cluster with a VAX 4000/500 and a bunch of
other VAXes using ethernet for communications. The alpha has its own
system disk, but all other files are on the 4000/500, including all
user files, rightslist, mail database, batch/print queue database, UAF,
etc. I have been running this way for about two weeks now, ever since
shortly after the alpha was delivered. The VAXes run VMS 5.5-1 and the
alpha runs OpenVMS Alpha AXP 1.0. I have ported an 85,000-line application
to the alpha, using a common source tree resident on the VAX.
Everything seems to work perfectly!

No-one told me that I couldn't tell you, so I did :-)

Steve

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From: rcivan@rwb.urc.tue.nl (Ivan Saez)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.alpha
Subject: Oracle on Alpha
Keywords: Oracle
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:26:17 GMT
Reply-To: rcivan@urc.tue.nl


Hi,

 Is there anyone using Oracle on Alpha systems? If so then I have a two 
questions: 
             - which version is it ? (Is it a beta release?)
             - how is the performance ?
               (Does Oracle benefit from the increased CPU performance)

Thanks,

              Ivan

P.S. 
     I've asked this question on comp.database.oracle but without much success.

-- 
Ivan Saez Scheihing , Eindhoven University of Technology
Computing Centre 1.62,  +31 40 474428
P.O.Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands
E-Mail: rcivan@urc.tue.nl
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.alpha
Subject: Re: How are people managing sources?
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:16:13 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

In article <1993Jan7.195359.1@vax.path.ox.ac.uk>, jasper@vax.path.ox.ac.uk writes:
> Well, I don't have an Alpha (yet), but the word on the street is that you can
> cluster VAX and Alpha. 'and anonymous official from our favorite computer
> company" said that it would work, it just was 'not supported'. 

Well, I for one would not want to see my disks containing 98% of the
intellectual property of the company (source code, customer lists,
documentation, marketting info) suddently all screwed up and unavailable just
because of some little bug in the vms cluster code that exists on alpha.

Point of PEEVE: is that the source code analyzer has some kind
of SCA$SERVER decnet object so you can evidently use it via regular decnet.

-gjc
Newsgroups: vmsnet.decus.lugs
Subject: Re: Is this an active group?
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 1993 08:54:21 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <1993Jan4.015407.11747@cpu.com>, gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester)
writes:
>In article <687@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca>, tmabthor@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Thomas M.
>Abthorpe) writes:
>>I am just curious to know, as I am part of a newly founded LUG!
>	Not very.

So, get more active! :-)
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: jeff@igor.tamri.com (Jeff Watts)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.internals,comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Need faster async board...dlv11-J?  Something else?
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:53:02 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <1993Jan11.160754.1011@dragon.com> cts@dragon.com writes:
>I have various MicroVAX II systems with Telebit worldblazers attached.
>Currently, these are using DHV11 interfaces, which top out at 19.2 kb.
>It appears this is the bottleneck;  what options exist for getting faster
>speeds on an MVII, if any?

We have used a 3rd party product from Dilog (model CQ-1620) on our
MVIIs and were quite satisfied with them.  They emulate a DHV11 quite
faithfully (including the fact that they recognize only one level of
interrupts, just as the DHV11 does :-( ).  In VMS 4.7 DEC did not
allow you to enter a speed greater than 19200, so Dilog used an
improbable speed=(4800,134) as the sign that you really wanted
a speed of 38400.  There were other 3rd party products available when
we were shopping and we looked at one other vendor, but their product
did not perform correctly in our system.

-- 

Jeff Watts
jeff@tamri.com
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From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.internals,comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Need faster async board...dlv11-J?  Something else?
Date: 12 Jan 93 06:27:42 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1993Jan11.160754.1011@dragon.com>, cts@dragon.com writes:
> I have various MicroVAX II systems with Telebit worldblazers attached.
> Currently, these are using DHV11 interfaces, which top out at 19.2 kb.
> It appears this is the bottleneck;  what options exist for getting faster
> speeds on an MVII, if any?

  One of my UUCP leaf sites has an MVII with a DHV11. That system is pretty
busy, yet they average 1350+ CPS using DECUS UUCP.

> The top speed of the DHV/DHQ/DZQ appears to be 19.2;  the only board
> that's 38.4 capable for the Qbus is the CXY08, and it looks like this
> board isn't supported on the MVII.

  The CXY08 is an S-box version of the DHQ11. Functionality should be iden-
tical.

> Any suggestions?  I've considered getting a DLV11-J, and adapting the
> driver from the decus tape;  however, I'd rather have a DMA capable
> device....

  Bleh! DL11's have no silos and are interrupt-per-character. If you're going
to go through the trouble of doing a driver, either get a KXT11/KXJ11 and do
it on a coprocessor or buy a complete kit from Simpact. If you want a more
"stock" solution, get an Ethernet board (if you don't already have one) and a
DECserver 700.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
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Subject: re: Re: How to use a non-DEC postscript printer??
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 1993 08:45:40 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <1993Jan7.131903.25423@slcs.slb.com>, brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey
Brydon (918)250-4312) writes:
>The problem with Postscript level 1 is that extensions to the language were
>required and I think existed on every printer ever made.  I may be wrong but I
>believe that every level 2 printer I have seen does not have or need device
>specific extensions ... so the conclusion in my opinion is that any symbiont
>handling postscript level 2 printers should be able to do so without special
>knowledge of the printer.  This is not the case with postscript level 1
>printers.  

Using PPD files gets around these problems even for level 1 printers, because
the PPD files include a description of what capabilities are available, and
Postscript code to invoke them. DEC could support just about anything by adding
a PPD "compiler" and writing the support code just once. You can get PPD files
for most printers from Adobe or the manufacturer, and you can write your own if
you need to. 

But even without the PPD files, supporting base capabilities and letting the
user write custom setup modules to do other things covers what most people need
quite well.
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Xref: sparky vmsnet.misc:1114 comp.sys.dec:6813
From: jerry@marin.uucp (Jerry C. Hudgins)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Need faster async board...dlv11-J?  Something else?
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:15:53 EST
Organization: Private UUCP Node

In article <1993Jan11.160754.1011@dragon.com> cts@dragon.com writes:
> I have various MicroVAX II systems with Telebit worldblazers attached.
> Currently, these are using DHV11 interfaces, which top out at 19.2 kb.
> It appears this is the bottleneck;  what options exist for getting faster
> speeds on an MVII, if any?
> 
> The top speed of the DHV/DHQ/DZQ appears to be 19.2;  the only board
> that's 38.4 capable for the Qbus is the CXY08, and it looks like this
> board isn't supported on the MVII.
> 
> Any suggestions?  I've considered getting a DLV11-J, and adapting the
> driver from the decus tape;  however, I'd rather have a DMA capable
> device....
> 
>   Charles Smith
>   cts@dragon.com
> 

There have been some Q-bus multiplexors (from Emulex and possibly others)
that support 38.4K when the OS sets the speed to some little-used value
like 2000 baud.  Bear in mind, though, the the VMS terminal driver doesn't
have terrific throughput, and you probably can't support streaming 38.4 K
on an MVII.

The fact that the VMS driver doesn't support RTS/CTS handshaking is another
drawback to high-speed transfers.  The WorldBlazer will do XON/XOFF, but
somewhat less efficiently.

I see (looking back) that I'm assuming that you're using VMS.  If you're
using UNIX, your mileage may vary.

-- 
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Jerry C. Hudgins                   Internet: jerry%marin.uucp@seq.uncwil.edu
125 Cherokee Trail                 UUCP    : uunet!marin!jerry
Wilmington, NC 28409-3407 (USA)    Voice   : (919) 392-2358

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From: cts@dragon.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.internals,comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus
Subject: Need faster async board...dlv11-J?  Something else?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:07:54 EST
Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited

I have various MicroVAX II systems with Telebit worldblazers attached.
Currently, these are using DHV11 interfaces, which top out at 19.2 kb.
It appears this is the bottleneck;  what options exist for getting faster
speeds on an MVII, if any?

The top speed of the DHV/DHQ/DZQ appears to be 19.2;  the only board
that's 38.4 capable for the Qbus is the CXY08, and it looks like this
board isn't supported on the MVII.

Any suggestions?  I've considered getting a DLV11-J, and adapting the
driver from the decus tape;  however, I'd rather have a DMA capable
device....

  Charles Smith
  cts@dragon.com

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Subject: re: Re: How to use a non-DEC postscript printer??
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 08:29:06 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
 <1993Jan7.131903.25423@slcs.slb.com>,<1993Jan7.084540@mccall.com> <1993Jan8.124041.16081@slcs.slb.com>
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


I agree with everything Harvey said except:

In article <1993Jan8.124041.16081@slcs.slb.com>, brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey
Brydon (918)250-4312) writes:
>Compatibility to Postscript level 1 is now a lost cause since level 2 is now
>out and much more robust.  

I'm going to have a level 1 printer until it breaks down for good. Since the
interpreter for most printers is in firmware, and printers last quite a while,
level 1 will be with us for a VERY long time. I don't even think it is a given
that firmware upgrades will be available for most printers.
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: rennie@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: VAX/VMS help wanted
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:51:45 EDT
Organization: Pembroke State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: pembvax1.pembroke.edu

Here at school we have a VAX/VMS system.  I would like to use other software
out there for it but I can't seem to set it up or I don't know what I'm doing.
It is VAX/VMS v5.5-1 and the monitors available to us are VT100 and VT330+.  I
have a few questions about the system I would like to see answered.

1.  How do I unZ a program?
2.  How do I unshar a program?
3.  How do I unTAR a program?
4.  Are there any good utilites I could run on this system?
5.  Are there any good games I could run on this system?
6.  How do I get Emacs to run/work on this system?

I am not a system adminstrator or anything close to it.  I'm just a student
with a standard account who would more information to fully use this system.

Thanks in advance.
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From: bruce@camb.com (Barton F. Bruce)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.os.vms
Subject: re: Re: How to use a non-DEC postscript printer??
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:32:25 EDT
Organization: Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc.

In article <1993Jan7.131903.25423@slcs.slb.com>, brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey Brydon (918)250-4312) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.073552@mccall.com>, tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
>>[...]
>>In article <9301060244.AA01911@uu3.psi.com>, leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
>>writes:
> 
> I have done a bunch of screwing around with CPS for the last couple of

There are some successful 'modifications' one can make that were posted in
the VMS conference on DECUSERVE. Find someone with access who will repost
them here, or get an account. 
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From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.internals,comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Need faster async board...dlv11-J?  Something else?
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:13:18 EST
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <1993Jan11.160754.1011@dragon.com>, cts@dragon.com writes:
> I have various MicroVAX II systems with Telebit worldblazers attached.
> Currently, these are using DHV11 interfaces, which top out at 19.2 kb.
> It appears this is the bottleneck;  what options exist for getting faster
> speeds on an MVII, if any?
> 
> The top speed of the DHV/DHQ/DZQ appears to be 19.2;  the only board
> that's 38.4 capable for the Qbus is the CXY08, and it looks like this
> board isn't supported on the MVII.
> 
> Any suggestions?  I've considered getting a DLV11-J, and adapting the
> driver from the decus tape;  however, I'd rather have a DMA capable
> device....
> 
>   Charles Smith
>   cts@dragon.com
> 
-- 
Charles,
 
As far as the DLV-11J, you will not have much luck. The DLV-11J 
is, for all intents, unbuffered (it only buffers two characters 
if I remember correctly) additionally, you will get an interrupt 
for every character. This will have a hard time at 9.6-19.2 kb, 
much less at higher speeds.
 
I hope that the above is useful. If I have been unclear, please 
feel free to contact me via email or phone.
 
- Bob
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From: brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey Brydon (918)250-4312)
Subject: re: Re: How to use a non-DEC postscript printer??
Reply-To: brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
Organization: Schlumberger/Anadrill Sugar Land, TX
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:40:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.084540@mccall.com>, tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan7.131903.25423@slcs.slb.com>, brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey
>Brydon (918)250-4312) writes:
>>The problem with Postscript level 1 is that extensions to the language were
>>required and I think existed on every printer ever made.  I may be wrong but I
>>believe that every level 2 printer I have seen does not have or need device
>>specific extensions ... so the conclusion in my opinion is that any symbiont
>>handling postscript level 2 printers should be able to do so without special
>>knowledge of the printer.  This is not the case with postscript level 1
>>printers.  
>
>Using PPD files gets around these problems even for level 1 printers, because
>the PPD files include a description of what capabilities are available, and
>Postscript code to invoke them. DEC could support just about anything by adding
>a PPD "compiler" and writing the support code just once. You can get PPD files
>for most printers from Adobe or the manufacturer, and you can write your own if
>you need to. 

Compatibility to Postscript level 1 is now a lost cause since level 2 is now
out and much more robust.  My point was that it should be possible to write
the symbiont to deal with postscript level 2 printers and no PPD files would
be necessary at all, since level 2 defines how the host gets papersize and
tray selection from the printer without having to resort to vendor-specific
postscript extensions.

>But even without the PPD files, supporting base capabilities and letting the
>user write custom setup modules to do other things covers what most people need
>quite well.

I agree that CPS would have been more robust if they didn't intentionally
brain damage it.
_______________________________________________________________
Harvey Brydon         | Internet:   brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
Dowell Schlumberger   | P.O.T.S.:   (918)250-4312
Don't knit your brows - someone may pull the wool over your eyes.
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From: pillinc@gov.on.ca (Chris Pilling)
Subject: Remote Print Queue Stalling
Keywords: Printer,Remote,Queue
Organization: Government of Ontario
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:01:53 GMT

I have a remote printer, queued through a Decserver 300, which just
recently began stalling after jobs were submitted to the queue. Using
NCP I was able to test the port on the terminal server and had output
printed on the DEC LA324 Multiprinter. As the line doesn't appear to be
the problem, and the LAT Symbiont is working fine on the other queues
which this queue is allocated to, I am not sure where to go next. This
is the only queue that this is occurring on, the other remote printer
work fine. No changes have been made in SYS$STARTUP for the queue
startup routines.

We are running VMS 5.3 on a uVax 3900. Any suggestions? Answers to
pillinc@gov.on.ca would be greatly appreciated


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Christopher Pilling - Ministry of the Environment
Internet: pillinc@gov.on.ca
FAX: 416-323-4493  Phone:  (416) 323-4269
Subject: (no subject given)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:56:02 CST
From: <U21465@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.vms-posix











Subject: Re: test
Distribution: world
 <1993Jan8.144527.2062@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>










qquit
quit
From: HADCFCRH@admin.uh.edu (Homeboy)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.vms-posix
Subject: TEST
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:40:45 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: vmsnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad6.admin.uh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

help me
From: gnair@HP-UX
Newsgroups: vmsnet.vms-posix
Subject: test
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:39:16 GMT

This is a test.
From: HADCFCRH@admin.uh.edu (Homeboy)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.vms-posix
Subject: test3
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:41:49 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: vmsnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad6.admin.uh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

help me
From: bmurrell@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.vms-posix
Subject: Re: test
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:45:27 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <10024@cimshop.UUCP>, gnair@HP-UX writes:
> This is a test.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp
From: reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack)
Subject: Re: icmp_input() Error Message
Reply-To: reece@eco.twg.com
Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:07:48 GMT


In article <657@msd.measurex.com>, bobml@msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse) writes:
|>I know that this newsgroup is supposed to be for VMS but I believe that
|>these two problems may be platform independent.

This newsgroup, while primarily for the VMS platforms, is not intended to
be limited to these platforms. There's nothing wrong with posting comments
or questions about any Wollongong product, or information of interest to
Wollongong product users, in this newsgroup.


In article <1993Jan12.171311.18522@twg.com>, usama@twg.com (Usama Jamil Anqud) writes:
|>Please direct any questions/bugs to our Support Department.  This is
|>necessary so that we can keep track of problems reported by our 
|>customers.
|>
|>You can either send e-mail to support@twg.com, or call our Support
|>Department at (415) 962-7140.  They will be glad to assist you.

Usama is half right. If you want a formal response to your question, or
if you're reporting a bug, you'll need to contact the customer service
group. Informal questions and discussion are welcome here.

--
Reece R. Pollack
Senior Software Engineer
The Wollongong Group, Inc.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp