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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:30:40 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>	Which brings up a trivia question:  Who was the last 1st round pick
>>	to not stick on the opening day roster?  (We're not counting
>>	players that went off to play in another country -- i.e. Danny
>>	Ferry, Anthony Avent, etc.)


>Depends on how you define stick. Len Bias certainly did not stick with the
>Celts, for an obviously tragic reason.

	Well, of course, Bias didn't stick -- but we all knew he would have.
	I'm talking about players who went thru all of training camp as a 
	1st rounder, and didn't make the final cut.

>Other than him off the top of my head, did Larue Harrington stick with
>the Blazers? I seem to recall his name from the distant past as a failed
>1st round pick.

	Wow -- that's going back a long ways.  The guy I'm thinking of was
	within the past 10 years...

	Jazzy J
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: More trivia...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:29:23 GMT



	Well, we've been talking about Dana Barros and his 3-pt percentage
	last year -- and about Trent Tucker's career 3-pt percentage --
	but the question I put to U is -- who in NBA history has the WORST
	3-pt percentage (min 100 attempts).  Take your guess and I'll reveal
	the answer...

	Jazzy J
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: first round failures
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:10:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvtpLo.218
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>   I know there was a guy from Wisconsin that went out as a junior and was
>>   drafted by Seattle. I think his name was Cory Blackwell

>You are almost correct, Sir.  He was the 28th pick in the 1984 draft.
>But that makes him a second rounder.

	While Blackwell was a 2nd rounder, & a flop, he did make the Sonics,
	and ended up playing in a couple of games for them in the 1984-85
	season.

	Jazzy J
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From: 988fernandez@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: GO BULLS!!
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:38:58 EST
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From: rpm@wag240.wag.caltech.edu (Richard P. Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Clippers
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:00:44 GMT
Reply-To: rpm@wag240.wag.caltech.edu (Richard P. Muller)
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Mark D. Nagle writes:

This will be the telling year for Benoit. How about we trash him if he does
poorly (like folks need to be prompted for that), and praise him if he does
well? Fair is fair, cause this is a new season and Seattle is gonna run
opponents into the ground!


I say:

Does anyone else remember when Benjamin got Don King to represent him,
and King said that he would make Benjamin one of the highest paid
centers in the NBA?! Take it from a Clipper fan, Seattle, Dump
Benjamin!!!

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ask questions later   	      			  rpm@wag.caltech.edu
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Clippers; L.A.'s new team?
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:43:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <92285.170303ACH2@psuvm.psu.edu> ACH2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Suppose the Lakers were looking at the Clips  putting together
>what could be a pretty exciting team, and thought "we better get
>our big-name player back on the court to cover up another non-playoff
>year"?

A quick little survey:  How many r.s.b.p.'ers have /psuvm/h:j in
their KILL file?

Tony
From: ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Is Magic greedy/selfish?
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:56:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>
>PS, Question, you are sitting in the front row of an NBA game involving
>    the Lakers,  and Magic Johnson is heading for you,  chasing a loose
>    ball.  What do you do?
>--
First of all, if you can get me a front row seat to a game where Magic is
playing I'd be thrilled.  What would I do if he comes flying towards me?  THe
same thing I'd do if Charles Barkley or Shaq came flying towards me.


>
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Terry Dozier was Re: Rosters? (KNICKS)
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:45:48
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com's message of 9 Oct 92 19:37:00 GMT

>>>>> "Russ" == Russ Smith <rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com> writes:

  Russ> Terry Dozier and his twin brother perry were bigtime highschool stars from 
  Russ> Dunbar in DC. Terry had a pretty nice career at SOuth Carolina. Perry was \
  Russ> a bench warmer.

I'm pretty sure the Doziers went to Dunbar of Baltimore. Before that they
went to a dinky little Maryland school which my dinky little Maryland high
school beat in a state semi-final game.




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From: mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: rec.sport.basketball.pro.celtics, etc
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:55:57 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Just another public vote for this proposed new newsgroup!
Genghis
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Earth to Ed Lor
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:57:23 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.172843.5543@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>
> hey Ed! where are you!  its the attack of the Celtic Phantom Buzzer-Beater
> 3-ptrs all over again!  two more recruits!  what is it now? 8-14?  :-)
>

Oh Nate, I am so disappointed..  Life has been so peaceful of late... Mr. Ed
has not said anything in such a long time (at least in the group, he has 
flamed people like crazy in anothe one)...  And now, you are baiting
him to return...  Oh the shame.... :-)

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From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:25:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
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In article <10616330.15.718510503@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS) writes...
>Can anyone really be worth $14.5 million for one season, assuming he makes 
>it through the season. I am a Magic fan but i think this is a little too 
>much, even for one of the greatest basketballers ever.
> 
>Big Stu.

Can someone explain to me how on earth that the salary cap is around 16 
Million, and Magic is making almost all of it???

Was it all in signing bonus that doesn't count?


Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
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From: ichong@oracle.com (Ivan Chong)
Subject: status on negotions between Hornets & Mourning
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:45:47 GMT
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


I read in the Newspaper that Alonzo Mourning is threatening
to sit out the entire season if Charlotte doesn't meet his
contract demands.  It was reported that if he does sit out the
season, that he would re-enter the draft for next year.

I am not sure what is keeping him from signing a contract with
the Hornets -- does anyone know the details of the dispute?

I've heard other reports that his agent made a statement that
Charlotte should trade other players to make room for Mourning's
salary.  It doesn't seem like Mourning is going to get too popular
in Charlotte with this sort of attitude.  

Is it possible that Mourning might want the Hornets to trade his
rights?  I can't see why he wouldn't want to play for the Hornets
since they've got such a bright future.
From: SOCC9241430E@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JACKSON,Chris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 11:40:35 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <39151@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu writes:

> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
> >My turn.....
> >
> >	I got two words for Magic.....LAST PLACE.
> >	I got one more word for Magic....CLIPPERS.
> >	I got two words for the Knicks....NO DEFENSE.

I've got two words for Last Place.....Dream On!
I've got one word for the Clippers.....Chemistry?
I've got two words for the knicks.....Serious contention!

> >
> >Enough said!!!!

Enough said?  Get a life Tony!  Last place?  Yeah, good one...are you a dis-
gruntled clippers fan, who watched the likes of Benoit for too long and lost
a grip on reality?  Sure, the lakers will finish last....they will go 10-72 
like the clippers have done (dont quote me on that), the clippers will win the
title, Jordan will average four points per game for the season and MVP will
go to Brooke Steppe who will return from the CBA.....in other words, you're
full of it!!!!

> 
> Wrong newsgroup, Chris.  You wanted rec.humor.
> 

Wrong newsgroup Tony!  You wanted rec.reality.lost it!
Sorry, that aint exist, maybe we will implement one...how about rec.shit.tony?

Maybe a bit on the truthful side, but if you're going to flame someone or
something, get some clues first!!!!

> Tony

Another Chris!!!!
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From: jimmyb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Black)
Subject: Re: Lakers
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:28:17 GMT

In article <1asunmINNhv8@agate.berkeley.edu> ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:
>    Let's not forget the recent draft pick of Anthony Peeler.  He was 
>    considered a top 10 talent until his latest run in with the law
>    before the draft.  The best thing for him was to be drafted by
>    a great organization and Jerry West believes he could turn out
>    to be a great player, and perhaps the steal of the draft.
>
>    Peeler himself is a great scorer and will probably be used more
>    extensively than most of the previous Laker rookies because
>    he will add the dimension of speed and scoring, initiating and
>    finishing the fast break offense, something Pfund wants to
>    implement this year.  He should definitely provide the Lakers
>    with a definite scoring pop, a more versatile player than Scott,
>    who I feel will eventually be phased out.
>
>    Well , that's my $0.02 worth 
>
>     BTW, does anyone know when training camps start.
>
I have to agree with you 100%.  Peeler is going to fit right into the
Laker system.  The Lakers are holding their training camp here once
again.  I was able to see them practice and here's what I noticed:

	Showtime is back!  Magic looks real good.  They are ready for
	the season.  I see Scott starting and Peeler coming in for him
	and eventually playing most of the game as he gets accustomed
	to the system.  Worthy and Perkins are definetly back.  One guy
	who impressed me was Sean Higgins.  I think that he might
	finally be coming into his own.  Especially now under the
	tutelage of Magic.  The Lakers will definetly be a team to
	reckon with come playoff time.  Lookout the rest of the
	league!

Laker Fan in Hawaii.

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 15:13:27 -0400 
From: "Jonathan T. Moore" <jmci+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Selfish

Although I'll agree that there is a chance that other members of the NBA
may contract the HIV virus from playing against Magic, many others who
post to this bulletin board point out that this chance is very slim
indeed. In fact, I read somewhere where statisticians calculated that
players at the Olympics had a greater chance of being struck by
lightning than of contracting HIV from Johnson. In addition, bus
accidents and plane crashes are a lot more common, yet NBA players take
road trips all the time. Let us also not forget that there are dozens of
other deadly communicable diseases circulating around the NBA,
considering all the wild living that apparently goes on. Thus, to sum
up, I do not believe that Magic playing pro basketball significantly
endangers any of the other players.

And now that I've said my piece, adieu.

Jon
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bye Bye Fatman
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:51:15 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

The Fatman, John Williams, was traded to the Clips for 
William Bedford & the rights to Don Mclean (the 19th
pick from this yrs draft). 

This finally ends the tortuous relationship between the
Bullets and Fatso. Its really too bad, but the speculation
has finally ended. 

Fatso is 6'9" and sat out all year in a contract dispute. 
He had a knee injury in 1989, and really hasn't played much 
since then. He played 33 games 2 yrs ago, but was way overweight
and looked rusty. Good luck with him, Clips.

What's the word on Mr Potential 7'1" William Bedford? His 
numbers looked liked 3ppg and 2rpg, not exactly stellar.
How good can Mclean be if he's already been traded twice
without being signed to a contract? Anyway, the Bullets
got something for the Fatman.

In other Bullets news, Bernard was at camp and stated that 
he will play this year. He refuted the claim that he could
not run without pain by saying, "I haven't reached the point
of my rehab where I start running." Go figure that one.
In a tv interview, he was pretty emphatic about coming back 
from this injury, and that people should not count him out.
You'll recall that the Bullets are trying to get a salary
cap exemption on a medical basis for Bernard, and so that 
they can sign Gugs.

Nash, the GM (this was before the Fatman trade), seemed to
be especially excited about Rex Chapman. Warner Wolf, the
sportscaster asked him if he'd be happy going 41 & 41.
Nash said of course. Yeah Right!

Ron
From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Lakers to Go all the way.
Keywords: Lakers to go all the way.
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:15:36 EDT

In article <Bw0yvp.G51@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Interesting enough, however -- if somebody were to pick up Wilt
>	right now, how do U think he would do?  He certainly has kept in
>	shape, and I remember a few years back, he was saying that even
>	the Cleveland Cavaliers were talking to him about returning to 
>	play (then again, this is Wilt talking).  I know he's been actively
>	involved in playing volleyball.  I think he could do better than
>	some of the also-rans playing center in the league.  Any thoughts?

	Wilt has stayed in absolutely incredible shape over the years.  I saw
him at Kareem's little pregame party when he took the all-time scoring title
away from Wilt, and Wilt actually looked better than when he retired.  I 
haven't seen pix of him in about three or four years, but, knowing Wilt, I can
assume that he hasn't gone downhill very much at all.
	As for how he'd do, although he's in incredible shape, I don't know how
his stamina is.  Granted, volleyball is an intensively athletic sport, but it's
not running up and down 90 feet of hardwood for 48 minutes.  Assuming that he 
is still in incredible shape, he's still an old guy in incredible shape. 
Though he may not have middle-age spread, it's very likely that his stamina,
though exponentially better than other people his age, isn't up to that of the
young horses in the league today.  Even if Wilt's physical prowess is somewhere
near the level it was at retirement, the way the league has changed in those 
almost twenty years would not allow him to play at the top of the game.
	And, knowing Wilt, he wouldn't do that to himself.  He has too big of
an ego to be seen at anything other than his best.

			- Dev
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: PACERS,PACERS,PACERS
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: T-Bone
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:32:05 GMT



bramsey@npal.rn.com writes:
>IF anyone thinks the bulls are going to win another one your in 
>for a shock.  the Indiana pacers are going to have  a 65 win season
>and kill the bulls in the post season.

T-Bone!  You're back!  But why the strange user alias?  And what's
this with being so bland and uncontroversial?  Where's the caustic
zingers?  Oh yeah, moving (back) to Indiana will do that to you.
Sorry to see this happen to you.  Best of luck reversing the damage.

--
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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: Spurs backcourt (was: Another Ex-Rebel to San Antonio)
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:08:03 GMT

In article <4604@equinox.unr.edu> alan@sierra.wrc.unr.edu () writes:
>
>
>Read in this morning's paper where ex-UNLV point guard, Mark Wade,
>has signed a contract with the Spurs. No details regarding the
>conditions, but I'm assuming he'll have to make the team? (this
>opposed to a "no-cut" deal, where the player is basically guaranteed
>of making the roster).
>
Seems like the Spurs backcourt is getting crowded - aren't they
auditioning:

 Dale Ellis
 Matt Othick
 Henry Williams
 Vinnie Del Negro
 Anderson Hunt
 Lloyd Daniels
 Mark Wade
 Ennis Whatley

Who has the inside track here? I can't wait to get a look at Daniels,
myself.  I also heard that the Spurs were one of a bunch of teams
thinking of picking up veteran point John Bagley from Boston. I think
Bags would be a good, solidifying addition to an eclectic, erratic,
young bunch like San Antonio.

-- 
        Ellie Cutler

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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:17:43 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <1992Oct8.143644.10406@uoft02.utoledo.edu> smccoll@alaska.cse.utoledo.edu (Scott T. McColl) writes:
>In article <10616330.15.718510503@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS) writes:
>|> Can anyone really be worth $14.5 million for one season, assuming he makes 
>|> it through the season. I am a Magic fan but i think this is a little too 
>|> much, even for one of the greatest basketballers ever.
>|> 
>|> Big Stu.
>
>	I think that some of that $$ is really a big "Thank You" to Magic
>	for taking the Lakers to 9 Finals and 5 Championships. 
> 	Just my opinion tho'
>
>	Scott T. McColl


isn't all that money the same value as whatever was left on his contract?
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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: Stuff
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 09:02:49 GMT

In article <56462@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>
>Selfish = concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself.
>
>Now what about this are you denying? Magic is taking no risk according
>to experts, the only people taking any risk no matter how slight it
>might be are the other NBA players. By definition that is selfish.

What's the matter, Russ?  Had a bad month?  Bad case of poison ivy
making you testy?

Funny you should call Magic selfish now.  I thought he was selfish
before he returned -- you know -- caring too much about his own health,
rather than the millions of fans who'd love to see one of the greatest
players of all time back on the court while he's still a great player.

And now he's back, to the pleasure of those millions of NBA fans, despite
an unknown health risk to himself.  Doesn't sound selfish to me.

Of course, I wouldn't want to knock you and Tim off your high horses
or anything...

- Trent Lange

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From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:09:56 GMT
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In article 2884@unx.ucc.okstate.edu, u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery) writes:
> In article <BvrKwB.5Gz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff) writes:
> >What about Byron Houston?  
> >
> Byron Houston was traded to Golden State (Yeah!).  I guess the Bulls
> decided that they had way too much talent on their hands, so they
> got rid of one big bo-hunk ball player.  Suits me.   

I liked the trade.  It is very possible that Byron Houston will be a star in
this league.  However,  he would not have been a significant player on 
this years Bulls team, in their quest for the coveted Three Peat.

If a GM can mortage the future for another championship,  sometimes he needs to.

(Esp. if you are the Minnesota Vikings trading for Hershel Walker :-)  )



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