From: jeffc@b11.ingr.com (Jeff Cox)
Subject: Re: Q: industrial definition?
Summary: Too bad Webster isn't around anymore...
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:55:19 GMT

> My next questions would be, people in different genres of music use different
> noises to evoke different emotional states in their audience.
> 
> People in folk and country use natural sounds, the sea, birds, the wind
> etc to project a certain atmosphere.

*  Dude, what kind of country/bluegrass are you listening too?  I've only
*  heard stupid sounding banjos and steel guitars; same thing for the last
*  fifty years.  Atmosphere.  What atmosphere?  Oh, I forgot.  That poolhall
*  atmosphere.  Yeah, you're correct, the birds and wind really define this 
*  atmosphere.  (e.g. <chirp> <chirp> <chirp> <crashing wave accented with 
*  lots of wind> <tweet tweet> <tweet tweet> "Hello darlin... It's been a
*  a long time...You're just as lovely as you use to be..." <chirp>)

> 
> A huge percentage of industrial is, bluntly, ABSOLUTE SHIT in the sense
> that it is not thought out in this fashion, it is on the same level as a 
> bunch of pre-pubescent kids tweaking a synthesizer and sampling sounds,
> and stumbling across a sequence which sounds to them like it can be
> danced to, or might cause someone's nerves to rebel.


*  I feel industrial is one of the few places that everything sounds totally 
*  different.  Sure, a few groups sound similar, but overall most of the
*  bands maintain individual sounds and ideas.  A huge percentage of most
*  music, except industrial, is absolute shit, and you love it because it's
*  shoved down your throat by money hungry record companies and MTV.  
*  Just because keyboards play a major role in industrial, it automatically
*  makes it illegitimate.  Sorry dude, most of the industrial stuff is much
*  harder to play/develop/write/etc. than any corporate bullshit.  Anything
*  that doesn't put you to sleep is immediately dance music--pity...
*  I could become a MTV rockstar by learning three chords and getting a
*  make-over.  But, at least I would'nt be tweekin' no sythesizer...  However,
*  where do you think that country gets its "wind" and "bird" sounds.  Do
*  they record on the beach or do they sample?

> Now having got that off my chest, I ask the question:
> 
> Is there an ART to industrial music? It would seem that industrial is now
> where rock was in the mid 60s; uncharted territory. Perhaps that's part
> of the reason.
>                   
> Does anyone have any idea what industrial sounds evoke what moods in
> people. Why a chain saw, rather than a buzz saw, or a shot gun over
> an Uzi? Why sample a male voice rather than a female voice?
> 

*  Why?  As one poster once said: "to fuck with your head!"  Why does
*  a country band use a hawk sample over a sparrow sample?  Because the hawk
*  is a bad ass.  BTW, who uses shotgun samples?
*  
*            SAMPLE             EMOTION
*      -----------------------------------------
*
*           Chainsaw           happiness
*           buzz saw           depression
*           chains and whips   orgasmic
*           drills             pain
*           jackhammer         anger
*           hawk               lightheartedness
*           wind               airheaded
*           machine gun        aggressiveness
*           kitchen noises     hunger
*           girl panting       errection
*
*
*              (Get the picture?)
>
> Last question: Could you define a better industrial group as one which
> has better command of this component of composing than another group?
> 
> Then, how is THIS assessed?
> 
> <sigh>.
> 
*  Dude, remove the corn cobb from your asshole.  I define a good group as one
*  which makes me angry enough to kill people like you.
>
> My opinion: Industrial could learn something from Tangerine Dream. They
> are very good at evoking the right moods entirely with synthesized sounds.
> Tangerine Dream work in a different regime, but it is a blood relative
> to industrial.
> 
* You're correct.  The Tangerine Dream Lesson 1: Don't sound anything like TD
* unless you want to be remembered as a computer noise/sound emulator.  They
* are very good at curing insomnia.  Who cares if a sound is synhesized or
* sampled?  What matters is what you hear...  You seem to be too preoccupied
* with how much wizardry goes into a production.  Advice: stop listning to
* industrial and listen to RUSH.  BTW, industrial often tries to disturb the
* listner (e.g. puppy) and to depict what industrialization has done to the
* individual.  Hence, you may be missing the whole point, perceiving it as 
* SHIT!  Tangerine Dream may be a blood relative to New Order but NOT
* to Ministry!  I guess Tangerine Dream is a blood relative to Pink Floyd
* since they also evoked the right moods with synthesized sounds.  Could
* Roger Waters be the founder of industrial? NOT!  So fuck TG...