From: gt0059e@prism.gatech.EDU (Garrett Drysdale)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Announcement about IBM development tools found on CompuServe
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:01:11 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep3.160654.9970@hellgate.utah.edu> brian%jaguar.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:
>
>FOLLOWUPS REDIRECTED TO c.o.o.a ONLY, PLEASE LEAVE IT THAT WAY
>
>Anyway I was shocked to find that they seem to be going back to
>charging $895 for WorkSet/2.  (I mean WorkSet/2 is barely worth the $295!)
>I can only hope that revision Ian Ameline has talked about is coming soon!
>
Brian, unless you have had your head in the sand, you would know that the
price for the Workset/2 was going back to the regular price as of 9/4/92.
Every announcement by IBM and many announcements by individuals have mentioned
this in their posts.  As for being worth it; I have seen from your previous
posts, that most of this not worth attitude is due to MS shipping the full
SDK with NT for only $69.  BUT, this is prebeta stuff.  Do you really think
that MS is going to ship a full SDK with every copy of the final release
of NT???  Do you really think that you will even be able to touch the final
version of the NT SDK for less than $500 - $XXXX dollars?  Be realistic.
I doubt all those developers who spent > $1000 for the OS/2 ver 1.x SDK from
MS were real happy with the price, but they probably thought it was a
good investment or they wouldn't have spent the money.  And what did you
get for that > $1000?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but that price didn't
include the C compiler.  (Even if it did, it still was not a bargain
by any means.)

Anybody who wanted the IBM workset/2 should have bought before the increase.
If your a developer, and you have to buy it now, then you simply have to
spend the money.  The reason MS is giving away its NT prebeta stuff is simply
because OS2 2.0 is doing very well.  Much better than MS or IBM expected.
If the NT and OS2 roles were reversed, (ie. - NT released and OS2 in 
prebeta) do you think MS would be giving away the SDK.  NOOOOO!  So quit
whining and live in the real world were prices are set by competition
and the current quality of that competition.

*IF* when NT is released, MS sells there SDK (w/ C compiler) for $xxx 
and $xxx is less than what IBM sells their SDK for, and *IF* IBM thinks
NT is cutting into OS2 sales, *THEN* IBM will most likely lower their 
price.

Until then, if you needed the SDK for OS2, you should have already 
bought it.


D
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If the NT OS2
>This policy is so insane!  MS is practically giving away its SDK and IBM
>charges 3 times or more what their's is worth!
>
***SEE ABOVE***.  Wake up to market driven decisions!

>BTW, all those that told me IBM technical docs were $240 list... you were
>wrong... see below.
>
NO they were not wrong if they said the OS2 technical docs were $240
(again limited time offer).  When someone says IBM techical docs (on
this group at least) the OS2 tech library is most likely what they are
talking about and is $240 (or was).

->Anyway, if you've been putting off doing it, better act now.
->                             
->> New Notices
->> 
->> TIME IS RUNNING OUT !!!
->> 
->> IBM's C Developer's Discount Promotion will expire after this week.
->> With this promotion you can get IBM's Workset/2 programming tools for
->> $295.00 ($600.00 dollars off the list price of $895).
->> 
->> Workset/2 includes:
->...
->> IBM OS/2(R) Version 2.0 Technical Library   $239.00 - a $60.00
->> savings IBM CUA (TM) Controls Library               $357.00 - a
->> $238.00 savings
->> 
->> 
->> Place your order on or before  this Friday.  If you wish to use a
--->> credit card, call (800) 342-6672 before 9.00 PM (EDT).   For purchase
->> ORDERS, CALL (800) IBM-CALL.
->...
->
->Brian
->-- 
->C. Brian Sturgill                       *** OS/2 2.0 is for YOU! ***
->University of Utah                  Microsoft needs some competition, but
->Center for Software Science        -I- want to be one of the many using NT.
->brian@cs.utah.edu; CIS: 70363,1373           :-) :-) :-)
-

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Garrett Drysdale
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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