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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Moments
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:55:30 GMT

I'd have to go with a few of the scenes from Return of the Jedi, which
was IMHO the strongest of the three (if not the most original or inspiring)...

DEFINITELY the strongest point of the trilogy for me was the final conflict.
Skywalker leaps out and attacks Vader (fencers will notice the crab gait Luke
uses in the advance, although the lightsabers are a little nontraditional), 
continuing to press him back and eventually hammer him down into a defensive
position and eventual helplessness... as was intended by Lucas, an almost
exact parallel to the scene where Vader does it to Luke in The Empire Strikes
Back.  All this time we are treated to a sort of madrigal-Russian choir
rendition of battle dirges (I suppose it's sort of an operatic version of what
was originally Emperor Palpatine's theme -- what with the bass four-note line
and all... sorry, didn't mean to wax musical).  The scene was just theatrically
intense to me... it was awesome in the theater (gee... almost 10 years ago now.
Don't you feel OLD?).

The whole idea of themes (leitmotifs, from Wagner's _Ring_ trilogy of operas...
never mind) is (again, IMHO) one of the strongest contributions to the Star Wars
trilogy.  Sometimes the music takes definite effect without us even noticing it;Luke's theme, for instance, and Ben's theme are (from what I can discern in 
their scenes) rather closely interwoven, so much so that the one is sometimes 
used in the other (Luke will have some dramatic sorrow such as his uncle's house
being destroyed, or Yoda dying, or whatever, and you'll hear the french horn
soliloquy in the background... then the music moves into the traditional slow
'Star Wars' romp with strings and such... very pleasing)

If anyone is interested out there (I realize Star Wars music isn't exactly the
largest topic of discussion) --

Does Han have any specific dedicated music?  I can only remember off the top of
my head the various scores when he's in the Millenium Falcon (a series of fast
trumpet stabs and chromatic runs, usually set to the visuals of TIE fighters
flying over the bow...) I don't remember at this point whether Solo actually has
a theme played for himself, alone;  whenever Leia is around they always put her
theme in instead (the kinda soupy romance theme which turns into the finale at
the end of ROTJ, mixed with Luke's... watch the ending scenes where Luke sees
his father with Yoda and Kenobi and you'll know what I mean... they use at least
Luke and Leia's theme before they wrap it up into the full choir finale)

Oops... didn't mean to sound like an art fart... (heh, coming from a CS major)
Comments/explanations/personal experiences welcome via email or post.

* * *

Marius
ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One)
Subject: Re: What in the galaxy were we thinking?!
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:30:05 GMT

In article <92352.232440GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>How many times now have we speculated on the plotlines of the next (first)
>trilogy?  Oh boy, the training of Anakin!  His turn to the dark side!  The
>adventures of Obi-Wan!
>
>But have we forgotten Lucas's statement that the droids are the ONLY 
>characters constant in all 9 films?  Sure Darth and Obi would be played 
>by new actors, but they are still the same characters.  If Lucas sticks 
>to this, there is no telling what the new trilogy will be about.

Think of what you just said.  You said that Lucas won't have the same 
characters in all 9 films (except C3PO and R2D2), and therefore Darth/Anakin
and Obi-Wan can't be in the first three.  They could easily be in the first
three films, just as anyone from the trilogy could, provided they stay out of
the last three.  Does anyone see good ol' Anakin and Obi-Wan running around
more than twenty years after they died?  Personally I want the two in the 
first trilogy, how else could it be tied into ANH, TESB, and ROTJ easily.

The Evil One
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From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne)
Subject: Re: Luke Gone Down Hill?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:47:52 GMT

It's hard to say if Mark Hamill is on hard times.  From what I hear, he is a
very successful stage actor, and that he really didn't want to do Sci-Fi movies
after Star Wars (he said something about feeling stupid making passionate
speeches to rubber pigs).  His last movie I saw was a British one called
Slipstream.  The acting was acclaimed, but the direction was awful.
Also, Mark is the Joker on Fox's Batman, and he was the Trickster on CBS's
the Flash.

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 07:56:45 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Lucas the literary genius?
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu

I'm sorry, but George Lucas is not a Tolstoy or a Dostoevsky or a
Kafka, and he can't even begin to hold a candle to Dickens.  Don't get
me wrong, I love SW just as much as the next person, probably more,
but that doesn't make it literature.  Yes, it can teach us some
things, yes we can gain some insights about life from it, but
comparing it to some of the great classics that I majored in in
college is ridiculous.  I mean, I learned something about life from
Sleeping Beauty when I was a kid (never dance with strange clothes in
the forest) but that doesn't make the Disney movie a literary
masterpiece.  Star Wars was written to entertain, not to make a
statement about life or politics or whatever.  I think some of you are
taking this fan stuff a little bit too far...Let's not all be like the
guy who posted about SW being a result of a Democratic presidency, OK?

And please please please, when you post a response to a rather lengthy
article, please please please don't post the ENTIRE article you're
responding to (along with sig).  We've read it, we know what it says.
It's very annoying to have to page through something I just finished
reading to get to the meat of the response.

There, enough complaining.  Have a nice day, and may the Force be with
you.

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: X-Wings Demo
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: But...
Keywords: with their intellect and their savior-faire...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:19:40 GMT

In article <BzG9o7.H9D@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier) writes:
>I downloaded the X-Wings demo from ftp.uowell.edu tonight, unzipped it
>and ran it on my 386.  It was just a frickin slide show.  The pictures
>were nice of a few x-wings and a shuttle, but they were basically
>snapshots of what we might see in the game.  No interaction at all.
>What was the point?  I learned nothing from this.  Is is a decent 3-d
>simulator?  I would assume so after Battle of Britain and Aces of the
>Pacific, but hardly worth ftp'ing if you want a demo.  Maybe the
>graphics files can be used somehow.  Oh well, guess I have to see it
>at the mall.  And I was getting tired of playing the X-Mas Lemmings
>demo too, darn.. =-)
>
>
>Sean Squier
>(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
>ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

Well, if you take the individual slides, manipulate them with something
like Alchemy, then they make damn fine, nifty, keen, way cool, awesome,
(you get the idea) background and logout screens for most UNIX boxed,
and X-Windows packages!!!  My favorite is the Darth Vader pic...


	--Jerry



-- 

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darkstar@freezer.cns.udel.edu |  you got to get a hat!"
darkstar@bach.udel.edu        |    --"Skin Trade"
From: bjk2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN JOHN KOPEC)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ALL SW FANS READ THIS PLEASE!
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:13:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <4f9zH9O00iV2I7yFQR@andrew.cmu.edu>, ds7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (David D. S
chwartz) writes:
>
>Recently, a post titled "why don't all you star wars fans get a life"
>was sent to the b-board.  DO NOT RESPOND TO IT BY ANY MEANS!  IT IS
>CLEAR THAT THE ASSHOLE THAT SENT IT IS HOPING TO ELICIT A RESPONSE FROM
>SOMEONE!  WHY GIVE HIM THAT MUCH.  FUCK HIM AND HIS SOPHOMORIC ATTITUDE!
> I'M SURE THAT HE HAS SOME HOBBY OR INTEREST THAT CAN EASILY BE
>RIDICULED AS WELL (BUT THEN WE WOULD BE STOOPING TO HIS LEVEL) . . . BUT
>HE'S A DICK AND THAT HAS BEEN MORE THAN CLEARLY EXEMPLIFIED BY HIS POST.
>
>TO BE SURE, HE CAN'T BE SERIOUS EITHER . . . NO ONE CAN BE THAT STUPID
>AND BOORISH AND STILL ATTEND UNIVERISTY, OPERATE A COMPUTER AND USE
>E-MAIL.
>
>MY MISTAKE, HE'S FROM LEHIGH.  I GUESS HE CAN BE.
>
>-Dave
>

It it this type of generalization that proves yourself to be below Mr. Kopacz.

-- Brian Kopec
    That's Kopec!  K-O-P-E-C!!!!!!
    DO NOT CONFUSE WITH MR. KOPACZ (who lives one floor below, confusing for
    all)
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Subject: Re: Melting SW toys
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:47:11 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

In article <1992Dec10.235941.4503@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Keith.Radley@launchpad.unc.edu (Keith Radley) writes:
>>
>>When I had the Millinium Falcon many years ago I
>>took a lighter to it to add blaster scars.
>>
>>chris.
> 
> I opened up my MF and cut the cardboard to make a second secret area to
> hide some figures.  I made a door I could open and close.  I love those
> memories.

I Made a way from the cocpit to the main bay, and also pushed back the
cardboard to make room for a bed for a Luke Skywalker figure W/O a hand!

Those were the days!

JP

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From: kachun@spot.Colorado.EDU (Ka Chun Yu)
Subject: Re: Dice in MFs cockpit?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:06:15 GMT

In article <Qf=ep7a00iVgQ39JAQ@andrew.cmu.edu> Stephen Blessing <sb6s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I just watched ANH (I've lost count on the number of times...), but I
>think I noticed something new. This is on the lbx LD version. At around
>13:45 into Side 2, where the MF is about to take off from Mos Eisley,
>Chewie enters the cockpit of the Millenium Falcon. His head hits these
>two small dice that are hanging from the ceiling (they're small,
>metallic looking things). These dice do not appear in any other shots in
>ANH, even though they probably should.

The dice are visible even in the non-letterboxed VHS edition.  I don't
recall seeing them in any other shots in SW or in the other two movies.
This was probably some sort of one-shot joke.

>
>Has anyone else ever noticed these dice, and do they show up in ESB or
>RotJ? I haven't checked them.
>
>Steve


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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Questions
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:29:36
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca's message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:21:39 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:21:39 GMT, lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u) said:

lars4752> Got some more questions for the net.

lars4752> 1) Supposedly the time between TESB and ROTJ is 6 months.
lars4752> How long did it take Boba Fett to reach Tationne sp? If it
lars4752> only took say a couple of weeks why would he still be
lars4752> hanging around Jabba's palace after 6 months?

Well maybe he had been gone, and came back at the time the rescue was
under way.

lars4752> 2) What did Lando do to deserve his General rank?  He says
lars4752> during ROTJ "someone must've told them about my manuver on
lars4752> ?".  When did he do this act of bravery?  It couldn't have
lars4752> been between the movies because at that time wasn't he
lars4752> trying to infultrate Jabba's palace?

I would think that this "act of bravery" took place well before the 3
movies we have seen.

lars4752> 3) Does Darth Vader have a rank?  I know his title is Lord,
lars4752> but wouldn't a lord be above rank of a Grand Moff (ANH -
lars4752> Tarkin)?

Hmm. Seemed like Tarkin was giving the orders in SW. But Vader seems
placed one below the Empire. Perhaps Tarkin was the commander of the 
Death Star, and had total command there. Especially if the Emperor had
specifically commanded this.

lars4752> 4) Where did the emporor get all of his evil powers?

Years of studying the Force?

lars4752> 5) What kind of weapons do the emporor's guards use?

???

lars4752> 6) In ANH, when the MF encounters the TIE fighter scout
lars4752> (near Alderaan) Han flicks a switch, and some guns start
lars4752> firing above the cockpit?  Are these just secondary type
lars4752> weapons that were originally on the ship or are they one of
lars4752> Han's special modifications?

Han's ship was originally (and still is) a simple freighter. All the
arms, were most likely add onto the ship by Han and Chewie.

lars4752> 7) What is your favorite ship/vehicle from Star Wars?
lars4752> (mine's the ATAT)

The Falcon. B-Wings were cool too.

lars4752> 8) Who is the character(s) you would have liked to seen more
lars4752> of in the movies?  (I always wished that the Han would have
lars4752> ran into IG-88 somewhere along the line, but Boba Fett's
lars4752> still pretty cool.)

More Ewoks.... Just kidding :)

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From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: X-Wings Demo
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:12:07 GMT

I downloaded the X-Wings demo from ftp.uowell.edu tonight, unzipped it
and ran it on my 386.  It was just a frickin slide show.  The pictures
were nice of a few x-wings and a shuttle, but they were basically
snapshots of what we might see in the game.  No interaction at all.
What was the point?  I learned nothing from this.  Is is a decent 3-d
simulator?  I would assume so after Battle of Britain and Aces of the
Pacific, but hardly worth ftp'ing if you want a demo.  Maybe the
graphics files can be used somehow.  Oh well, guess I have to see it
at the mall.  And I was getting tired of playing the X-Mas Lemmings
demo too, darn.. =-)


Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: goldfoot-josh@yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: john williams
Date: 15 Dec 1992 09:42:30 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Dec15.000148.3530@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

[QUoted stuff remarking on similarities between SW music and the Rite of Spring]

>
>	Well, if you have the Star Wars record you might still
>have the insert with the poster.  There is also a piece of paper
>in which Jonathan Williams, the composer, explains each piece.
>Much of it is similar to excerpts from Holst's "The Planets"
>(Mars, etc) and a number of other pieces. If you like Star Wars
>music, you might also like some other catchy tunes;
>	1)"Peer Gynt" by Edvard Grieg
>	2)All kinds of things by Rimsky-Korsakoff
>	3)"The Planets" by Holst
>	4)Some Stravinsky, like "The Firebird", etc.
>	5)Jonathan Williams' Indiana Jones, Superman, etc.
>	6)Check out "March of the Boyars" if you can get it.
>
>	This music is very dramatic and fun to listen to.  A Mozart
>lover just might turn his or her nose up at the 'silliness' of
>unrequited passion, but what the hell. Art is entertainment.
>
>			John

Williams is often accused of (or complimented for, depending on your point
of view) being very derivative of other composers. Stravinsky (who wrote the
Rite of Spring) is definitely influential on Williams.

But you forgot Wagner! Richard Wagner! Williams' music is more Wagnerian than
anything else. He has motive for major characters, themes to remind us of
concepts, and he uses the brass section extensively to carry melodies.

Those of you who enjoy Williams and want to know "where it came from," I would
add any of the "Best of the Ring" discs to the above list..



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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:45:51 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: john williams
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu
	<1gkqsmINNpad@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>

It seems to me that the comparisons his music is receiving to all
different types of composers is proof that John Williams has a
distinctive style all his own.  Anyone who writes music that sounds
like Holst, Stravinsky, Wagner, Rimsky-Korsakov, etc etc etc cannot be
called simply imitative.  In my view, Williams sounds like Williams.

A good CD for a Williams lover, BTW, is "The Best of John Williams and
the Boston Pops Orchestra", where he conducts themes from all his
major motion pictures, as well as the Olympic Fanfare, the Liberty
Fanfare, and the theme from NBC News.  He includes no less than four
themes from the SW trilogy, the Imperial March, the Main Title, Yoda's
theme and Luke and Leia's theme.  I myself would rather have had
Leia's theme (sadly neglected after the first film) but oh well...I
have the soundtrack to fall back on.  *grin*

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
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From: hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman)
Subject: Re: "Strike me down" mistake
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:14:08 GMT

sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>
><GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>It is my understanding that the ROTJ script has Luke attempting to
>>attack the Emperor with his lightsaber after the Emperor says,
>>"Strike me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the
>>dark side will be complete."  But the way it is depicted in the movie
>>shows Vader's lightsaber closer to the camera and Luke's closer to
>>the Emperor.  As if Luke was swinging away from the Emperor rather
>>than toward him.  I'm wondering if this was done on purpose or if the
>>sabers were just colored the opposite way.  Any insights?
>
>I've noticed that, too.  It's possible to interpret it as a lightsaber
>SFX glitch (A lightsaber SFX glitch?  In a *Star Wars* film?  Never!),
>but I've always believed that when Luke snapped, he was actually going
>after Vader, and not the Emperor at all -- an interesting thought, because
>it means that Luke's anger has been directed at Vader all along, and that
>the Emperor's "Strike me down" taunts obviously didn't have any effect
>on Luke.

That brings to mind another question of mine: In RotJ Yoda tells Luke
that to complete his training he need only face Vader.  Now when this
all started, Kenobi and Yoda used Vader as *the* example (in fact, as
the embodiement) of the dark side of the force for Luke, and set Luke
to conquer Vader and thus vanquish the dark side.  But by the time we
get to RotJ it is clear that the Emperor is actually the worst guy in
the galaxy; and yet Yoda still tells that Luke he must face Vader and
conquer him.  Was it mere serendipity that when Luke "faced" Vader it
was the Emperor who was conquered?  Or have I missed something?

- John
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hagerman@ece.cmu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:25:25 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Leia and ben (Was Re: Favorite Star Wars Moments)
 <Bz8F7o.2oy@nic.umass.edu> <1992Dec14.110636.18514@u.washington.edu>
 <BzCt5A.F5o@newcastle.ac.uk>

There is no reason she couldn't havave known his new alias.  If she had the
information on where he currently lived it stands to reason that she would
know his current name as well.  She probably referred to him as Obi-Wan
because she knew it was his true name, or at least the one he had used while
fighting in the Clone Wars.  The novelization backs this up with Leia saying,
"Ben Kenobi!  Where is he?  Obi-Wan!"
                                            ---Eric
From: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: trivia buffs... :-)
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:09:21 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Montreal, PQ, Canada


	Name the place(s) where we can see english words (not only letters
and numbers, but actual words) in ANH... This not that easy, I can assure you
:->...

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:22:30 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: A long time ago...
 <HAGERMAN.92Dec18163623@rx7.ece.cmu.edu>

So what if C3PO said he wasn't a good storyteller in the first film?
Luke also said, "I'm never coming back to this planet again."  But he certainly
went back to Tatooine in ROTJ.  I think the respect that the Ewoks gave him fed
C3PO's ego and gave him confidence.  Enough so that he could overcome his low
self-image and tell a good story.  I view this as something Lucas put in on
purpose to bring C3PO's character full circle for the last film.  It certainly
doesn't play like a mistake to me.
                                                   ---Eric
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 19:14:02 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Greedo's ghost in ROTJ?!?
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu

Nah...it was probably just his brother Beedo...they resurrected the
costume AND the dialogue.  *grin*

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE

PS:  Believe it or not, I never noticed the similarity between the
names "Greedo" and "Guido" (a classic hit man name) until my husband
pointed it out.
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From: kachun@spot.Colorado.EDU (Ka Chun Yu)
Subject: SW actors in other roles (was Re: "why don't...)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:36:53 GMT

In article <1gh0b5INN8ag@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <Bz81F4.LG6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson) writes:
>>
>>Don't forget that the actor who played Admiral Piett appeared in the Terry 
>>Gilliam movie, "Jabberwocky".  If you've never seen it, and like Monty Python,
>>or enjoyed fish called Wanda, or Fisher KIng, I suggest it.(or even Brazil, if
>>you have the time to watch it a few times to understand it.)
>
>What about Porkins?  He later went to become Lt. Eckhart in "BATMAN"...
>...it's true people.

That does it!  Isn't anyone going to start compiling all of the appearances
of SW bit players in other movies?  We've got Piett and Porkins.  What about
the others?  Red Four?  Bib Fortuna?  Biggs?  Dengar?  The "You rebel scum"
guy?


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