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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: Haftorah Reading May 21, 1994
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:23:20 GMT

Re:

>> Our synagogue has set the date of the next adult Bat Mitzvahs
>> on May 21, 1994.  Does anyone know what the haftorah reading will
>> be that day?
>
>It's Sidrah Naso (my Bar Mitzvah Sidrah) and the Haftorah is from
>Judges Chapter 13 Verses 2-25 (all about the birth of Samson).

Thanks for the info.

>BTW, what's an adult Bar Mitzvah?

It's a Bat Mitzvah, and it's for those women who did not have a
formal ceremony when they were 12 or 13.  In many cases, these
women did not have a formal Hebrew education as children, and
since the Conservative Movement generally requires formal Jewish
education in order to have a Bar/Bat Mitzvah ceremony, it takes about
2-3 years of monthly classes for the women to be ready for
their Bat Mitzvah.

My wife was in the class that was Bat Mitzvah around 3 years ago.
It involved learning how to read Hebrew, as well as Jewish history,
holidays, and laws.

Also, as ours is a Conservative-egalitarian congregation, the women
have also been encouraged to learn to read Torah, the Haftorahs,
and to conduct services.

-- 
Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Skoll and "netiquitte"
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:56:06 GMT

In article <92352.1305112893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy) writes:
>Not only is Skoll, the self chosen netiquitte enforcer, repeatedly paraphrasing
>other peoples e-mail without permission, he also insists on e-mailing me despit
>e the fact that 1)several weeks ago I asked him to stop and 2) I have bounced
> back every message he's sent me since. It is a clear violation of netiquitte
>to persist in e-mailing someone who has asked not to receive e-mail, it seems
>Skoll prefers to exclude himself from the netiquitte he demands from others.
>
>Outside of sending his mail backto him without comment, I have not e-mailed
>Skoll so he cannot use my e-mailing him as an excuse for his continued
>violation.
>
>Mr Skoll, please stop sending me e-mail. I don't read it and I don't want it!

You do not need to tell everybody this. 
Keep it in private.

aap
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:00:17 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Deportations provoke crisis
 <1992Dec19.220733.14495@sarah.albany.edu>

In article <1992Dec19.220733.14495@sarah.albany.edu>, mark@fenris.albany.edu
(Mark Steinberger) says:
>
>In article <92354.0614272893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>                MASS DEPORTATIONS PERPETUATE CRISIS SITUATION
>
>
>Tell you what, then.
>
>Let's make an experiment. Let's hand Andy over to the Hamasis and see
>if he lasts any longer than that policeman did.
>
>That way he can try out his appeasement strategies first hand, with
>his own welfare at stake, rather than that of folks who don't have the
>luxury of residing in Canada.
>
>My guess is that they won't work.
>
>--Mark

I agree the kidnappers should be punished but it breaks every principle
of due process and justice to arbitrary punish people for acts they did not
commit. If a Kachnik went out and killed a dozen Arabs, would it be just
to take 300 other Kachniks and punish them? Also it is unjust to expel
people from the land of their birth. Most countries will not even expel
serial killers if they were born in that country.
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:07:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 1328@cc.ic.ac.uk, jhart@ee.ic.ac.uk (Joanna Hart) writes:
>
>What do people think about sending/ encouraging other people to send you Xmas cards?
>
>I have found that whilst I try to send cards to people I work with etc. (ie. the non-Jewish ones, which is most of them), as they all know I'm Jewish they don't send me cards (in case I get upset or offended) and then get embarrassed when they get mine.
>

I send generic holiday cards to my non-Jewish friends who celebrate
Xmas; I have no problem acknowledging that they're celebrating their
holiday, just as I think it's thoughtful when they wish me Happy New
Year at Rosh Hashana or Happy Holiday at Passover. Trying to find a 
card that is a) not explicitly religious and b) doesn't feature snow 
(since I live in California) is often challenging, though!

********************************************************************************
Janice Gelb                  | (415) 336-7075     
janiceg@marvin.eng.sun.com   | "A silly message but mine own" (not Sun's!) 
********************************************************************************
From: rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Crucifixion Prophecy
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:40 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu

In article <1992Dec11.155744.28722@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar) writes...
|A number of you have already asked me about the so called Crucifixion
|prophecy.  It is Psalm 22.
| 
|The key line is : THEY HAVE PIERCED MY HANDS AND FEET
| 
|Look at the other lines: ALL MY BONES ARE OUT OF JOINT
|This describes a man hung from a cross.

	Yep.  Except that the Christians also like to use Isaiah 53,
which says the Servant "opened not his mouth", did not protest.
However, Psalm 22 depicts a whining Servant, questioning why G-d has
left him.

	And of course, the dude in Psalms 22 is "a worm, and no one".

|I trust that all is clearer now.

	Religious matters are never quite clear, you know.

Gadson Sandor


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: alex@math.idbsu.edu (Alex Feldman)
Subject: Re: Why are Jews discriminated?
Organization: Boise State University Math Dept.
	<Bz7pyL.Hn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:32:07

>>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:25:32 GMT, hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) said:

h> In article <Dec.12.15.44.34.1992.2720@soliton.rutgers.edu> zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
...

>in different regions. However, in my eyes, Jews and other whites are of 
>same race(am I wroong here?). Maybe Jews are different from other whites
>in a similar way as Chinese are different from other asians. Now there is
>not such a anti-Chinese sentiment among other asians. There is, of course
>a anti-Japanese sentment because of the war. However, it is
>not nearly as strong as that against Jews. 

I once heard a Malay describe the (expat) Chinese as "The Jews of the
East".  That ought to speak volumes.

h> Most of the discrimination is because of religion, or even because of
h> customs.  Xenophobia is quite old in human (and even animal) affairs,
h> and history has often been us against them.  The Chinese were sufficiently
h> numerous to swallow up their invaders and conquerors. 

It was my impression that the Chinese (specifically the Ming) had a
law requiring all foreigners, conquered or just visiting, to either
marry a Chinese or remain celebate, thus ensuring assimilation.


--
	--alex			alex@math.idbsu.edu
From: CARIAN@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cholov Yisrael
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:26:46 GMT
 <1992Dec15.164809.2111@midway.uchicago.edu> <102216@netnews.upenn.edu>
 <3088@israel.nysernet.org>
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <3088@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
says:
>
>In <102216@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
>writes:
>
>>Ridiculous as it may seem, there are OU cholov stam cartons.
>
>What does this supervision ensure?  Since the only ingredient in the
>carton is milk, what is there to check other than the milk

It ensures that the milk is acceptable to those who follow the ruling that
chalav stam is acceptable.

I see such cartons frequently while visiting my parents in New York but I
haven't seen them here in DC yet.

One of these days my curiousity will be strong enough to contact the (U)
and find out exactly what is involved in getting such certification for
unsupervised milk.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
From: friedenb@pine.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Scud Missles & Shabbos (was: Re: Work, again)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:01:03 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@pine.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


In article <1992Dec9.193955.1018@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>Instead, of asking why bicycling seems like so much less work than other
>activities that could well be allowed on Shabbat, it is important to
>understand what aspect(s) of bicycling is/are  among the 39 forbidden 
>melachot (on Shabbat).

One could speculate on the relationship between the 39 melachot and the 39
Scuds that hit Israel.
 
Hmmmmmmmm.   ;^)

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
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From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: Jewish Joke of the Day
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:29:23 GMT


    Herb, an 83-year-old Jewish grandfather, decides to go to his local
church for confession.
    "Father," he says, "I'm a widower. But last week, I met a beautiful
26-year-old. She's really interested in me. And in the last week, we've
made love 10 times."
    "You should say 10 Hail Marys," instructs the priest.
    "Why would I do that?" asks Herb. "I'm Jewish."
    "You're Jewish?!?" exclaims the priest. "Why are you telling me
this?"
    "Telling you?" says Herb. "I'm telling EVERYBODY!"


Jonathan B. Horen
Sun System Administrator/Sr. Technical Writer
tel: (408) 736-3923 | email: horen@netcom.com
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Righteous Gentiles=Ben Noach
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:45:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1gob6iINN9gu@coral.bucknell.edu>, () writes:
> According to the Talmud,the oldest religion known to mankind is based on
> the Seven Laws of Noah.
>
> Several books dealing with this subject are;
>
>        The Seven Laws of Noah
>        Path of The Righteous gentile
>
>        A Light Unto The Nations
>
> Recently, a law was signed by George Bush enumerating these laws as the
> foundation of society.
>
> Numerous groups around the globe have adopted these tenants as their  new
> faith.This most often results in gentiles enlisting rabbis since this is
> the mission of Israel to spread the Light of the TORAH to theNations.
>
> Unfortunately, this sort of movement makes some Jews nervous not to mention
> organized Christianity.Speaking now as a ben noach person I can assure you
> that this is true.
>
> But here is the good news according to the Sages ,any gentile who observes
> the seven laws has a portion in the world to come.Is it possible that this
> basic message has been hidden all these at least two thousand years? It is
> clear after re-reading Acts 15 and 23 that the Jews of that time knew what
> gentiles are obligated to observe and in no uncertain termstoo.
>
> Work is proceding here and in Jerusalem on the development of a Siddur as
> well as the spacifics for the Halacha for Bnai Noach.

The person running this in Jerusalem is Aryeh Gallin of the ROOT AND BRANCH
ASSOCIATION, Rechov Eliash 8 (Rejwan Building) Suite 20, Jerusalem, Israel.
His fax number is: +972-2-234483


Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL


>
> some food for thought for any of you who are arm chair kabbilistout there
> is the fact that this movement sprang into existance in 5750. If you lay
> this year on a millinal time line you will see that date  corresponds to
> Friday ,high noon ,the very time when preparation of the Sabboth begins to
> take place.how fitting and how beautifull
>
> Michael Noll
> Bnai Noach of Central pennsylvania
> 1 Cotswold, Danville Penna17821
>
>
>
>
> michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: Tanya and other sacred writings.
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:42:29 GMT

_Sacred_ writings?

Norman Miller

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:27:26 GMT

On 16 Dec 92 19:05:43 GMT, shawn@up.hep.upenn.edu (Shawn Ruby) said:

 > Anybody see that Jews for Jesus ad in Newsweek?  

	No, but I saw the full-page ad in Time.

 > 					They must have more money than I
 > thought to pay for a full page spread like that.

	J4J has a yearly budget in excess of $100 million, according to
my rabbi.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Imagine the charities out there that would die for a chance at that
 kind of money."
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: SCJ HAS BEEN DECONTAMINATED!
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:44:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   While there may have been a spate of Christian propaganda here
in scj, there response to it was swift, intense, non-stop, angry,
educated, and sincere.  Most of you who responded to the preacher
infestation have knowledge of Judaism that is way beyond mine.  I
know that your knowledge is what drove these nuisances off.  As a
Jew who has no interest in, or patience for, Christianity in this
group, I would like to thank all of you who aided, by virtue of a
sound knowledge of Judaism, in getting rid of these preachers.  
   It has been proved once again that Jewish education is the one
and only way of dealing with these people.
   Over the years, I have encountered many JFJ's.  But I have not
ever met one who, if he was REALLY Jewish, had been given much of
a Jewish education.  I qualified my statement, because I have met
several "Jews" for Jesus who were NEVER Jewish!  These phony Jews
seem to think that by posing as Jews, they can attract uneducated
Jews, who simply don't know any better.  The JFJ's who really ARE
born Jewish don't know much of anything about Judaism.
   I am sure that we have not seen the last of these folks.  They
seem to be like cockroaches in an NYC flat.  You can't get rid of
ALL of them, but it is possible to keep them under control.  
   To all of you who helped..., WELL DONE!  And Thank you.

                             -Mark
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Christians, please read.
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:25:11 GMT

If you are a Christian lurking on s.c.j. with the intent to persuade
the audience here your beliefs, please stop.  There are better boards
to do this on.  If you ask, yes, I'll tell you that I'm a Christian.
But even *I* am tired of your arguements on this board.  And even more
tired of the responses you've been eliciting.  Please take it elsewhere,
e-mail privately, and have some understanding of the forum you are in.

Feel free to e-mail me personally too.   *big sigh*

--
Eilidh Swan
************************************************************************
Cat McGlothlin    urcat@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu   'urcat'='you-are-cat'   "Oh!"
                  eilidh@cs.ucsb.edu       -- Eilidh is Celtic for Ellen
 The University never has, and never will, pay for or fund my opinions.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<merlyn.724218392@digibd> <emc.724268543@ro>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:56:22 GMT

On Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:42:23 GMT, emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) said:

 > The  argument for freedom of speech can not entitle racist manifestations.
 > That is not the same as saying objectionable speech should not be
 > legislated against.  

	They were very careful about defining some things in the various
orientations we received in basic training.  To wit:

	Racism is not illegal.
	Prejudice is not illegal.
	Discrimination, i.e. the acting on prejudice or racist beliefs,
is illegal.

	Freedom of speech can be an unpleasant thing, eh?

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Under US law, at any rate."
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Andy the Canadian twat
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:53:42 GMT

In article <92353.1139082893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.014951.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de says:

> Good god Lawrence, everyone has problems with you, and you seem to have
> problems with this entire nation of ours:)  Thanks for putting in your
> two cents worth though.

My pleasure, but not everyone has problems with me.

Laurence
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:45:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <9212162227.AA07022@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>, tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (
Tim Miller) writes:
>On 16 Dec 92 19:05:43 GMT, shawn@up.hep.upenn.edu (Shawn Ruby) said:
>
> > Anybody see that Jews for Jesus ad in Newsweek?
>
>       No, but I saw the full-page ad in Time.
>
> >                                     They must have more money than I
> > thought to pay for a full page spread like that.
>
>       J4J has a yearly budget in excess of $100 million, according to
>my rabbi.

Jews for Jesus, aren't they just Goys who speak Hebrew with a forked tongue.
IF you are for Jesus Christ you can't be Jewish now can you, You'd pretty
much, by definition have to be _Christ_ian.  Now if they want to keep Kosher,
and follow Hebrew Law, more power to them, just don't call them Jews, call
them Hebraic Christians or something.  We subscribe to the theory that the
Messiah has not yet come, if you believe that it has is this not a direct
contridiction of those tenants.  Basically Jews for Jesus is as big an
oxymoron as Christians against Christ.


>
>-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
>"Imagine the charities out there that would die for a chance at that
> kind of money."
>
-- 
my name is mike and i'm a .sig-a-holic, i have been virtually .sig free for
ten days now, my life is so much clearer, i pledge to do my best to never
have a long .sig again.  i don't need one because i'm good enough, i'm smart
enough and god darnit, people like me.  ob info: mlsa@lehigh.edu, mike
sherman phone# 758-0207 disclaimer, we don't neeeed no steeenking disclaimer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: HIV and Israel
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:15:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.183341.27525@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.155402.4233@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>I found this on another net.
>>Any comments?
>>
>>AAP
>
>1.  What "other net" is this circulating on?
>

Gay nets like alt.politics.homosexuality and soc.motss.
There is also an address posted on soc.motss where you can get 
files with information about it



>2.  Is this true?  The Jerusalem Post says that this legislation
>    has *not* been enacted, as I recall.
>
>3.  Where has this been proven effective in the campaign against
>    HIV:  
>
>	"Instead, anonymous HIV testing and prevention/education 
>	campaigns are the proven method of containing the epidemic."


I have no idea. I just reprodiced the post as it was posted there.
I was interested on the opinions of some other people.
I believe that some parts of the information are not "smart". I belive
that mandatory testing is not a bad idea in some places, in particular
if there is a very low chance that people would havea check up in less
than 10 years. Also, those who have an "anonimous HIV testing" are those
who know that might be infected, and that might be too late for others.
Finally, I do not believe that deporting people with HIV increases the
self-confidence of others.
This, for me, was no more than just another piece of propaganda.



>
>-- Chris Metcalfe
>

AAP


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Recipes in general
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.144858.9309@news.uiowa.edu> jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
>From article <9212140227.AA22358@host0.COLBY.EDU>, by jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm)):

>> Anyone got a recipe for "Haman Pockets"?  (Passover treat I heard about)

>Wrong holiday, off by one.  Try Purim, and look them up under the name
>Hamentaschen.  I've seen many varieties, made with dough that varied from
>fairly low-rising cookie dough, to dough that was in the "sweet roll"
>category -- akin to the dough used for the polish treat known as a
>kolach.  The rule that makes it a Hamentaschen is that you put a dollop
>of something sweet in the middle of a circle of dough, then fold up the
>corners to make a tri-cornered hat shape out of it.  Poppy seed filling
>is traditional, but any other sweet filling will do in a pinch.

Two questions about the word itself that I've wondered about for
years:

1) "Hamentaschen" looks like a plural.  Does one say "one Hamentasch"?
2) Does it mean "Haman's hat", or "Haman's pocket"?  I've heard people
claim both.

Thanks.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses to "Merry Christmas"
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:32:32 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Dec15.193515.11066@reed.edu>, by todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner):
> How about "Happy Solstice". It's  non-religious merely making note of
> an astronomical event.

20 or 30 years ago, this might have been reasonable, but today, with new
agers and various pagan revivals sprouting left and right, you're likely
to be taken for a devotee of the Earth Mother or some such.  At least in
my mind, this new age nonsense is pretty idolatrous, and I neither want
to encourage it or be taken for a believer in such stuff.

					Doug Jones
					jones@cs.uiowa.edu
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