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From: LISAS@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Lisa S Lewis)
Subject: Re: Motor perception skills?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:10:58 GMT

In article <BxoAxE.JHw@inews.Intel.COM>
mfineman@cad018..intel.com ( Mark S. Fineman ) writes:
 
>
>What does the term motor perception skills refer to?
>
>I know what "motor skills" are, but I don't know what
>motor perception skills means.
>
>--
"Perceptual motor skills" refers to a child's ability to use motor skills
to control the way they "perceive" sensory stimuli in the environment. In
newborns, e.g., babies have only reflexive responses to perceptions. That is,
they suck, look and hear.  They have perception, but no ability to manipulate
their perceptions.
 
Perceptual Motor "Milestones"
4-8 months: babies start to make things happen...rubbing, shaking, kicking
objects to make them move, make noise, or produce stimulation for their
senses. Trying to hold and look at toys and feet, hands etc.  Develop object
permanence...learning that objects exist when out of sight.
 
8-12 months: Pull strings and use sticks to pull in out of reach objects.
Hunt for out of sight objects, lifting covers.  Imitate actions such as waving,
clapping, wagging tongue.  The coordination of face, throat and mouth muscles
to imitate and produce sound combinations is a perceptual motor response.
 
The pincer grasp is another one...the baby has to focus (visually) on a tiny
object, and coordinate putting the thumb and forefinger together to pick it up.
 
1-1.5 years: Babies are getting around and learn how to move their bodies in
varied ways (running, climbing, jumping.)  They combine objects,senses...making
"noisy messes."  They are doing things like putting on and taking off jar and
pan lids, stacking blocks.
 
2 years: Perceptions are now refined into mental pictures with names.  Kids
learn that things go together, usually have a particular place and objects
have functions.  They  move their bodies easily and control things. Activities:
  Stacking cups
  turning cranks to make a toy pop up
  turning a key toomake a toy move
  fitting round and square blocks into formboards
  scribbling with a crayon
 
2-3 years: Enough information has been gained through senses and exploration to
begin to form ideas and to (begin to) think effectively.  But manipulation of
of objects and people continue.  Precepts (single thoughts) are becoming
concepts (combined thoughts). E.g. an object can be a size (big) and a color.
Things can have more than one function, and language is being used to ask
questions and express thoughts.
 
They start to do things that require both hands work together (dressing dolls,
stringing beads, painting, cutting with scissors.)
     ----------------------------------------------------------
Children with various disabilities (that interfere with sensory input, e.g.)
can have problems with perceptual-motor skills.  If a child doesn't respond
appropriately to people and objects, there may be a problem in this area.
 
Lisa Lewis
From: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Advice needed-first plane trip
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:33:29 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov


i tried to email to the original poster but it bounced so
here are my suggestions:
1. take lots of snacks..plan on the plane being delayed
   so take lots.
2. take a change of clothes for the kids and  you..
   plan on them spilling lots of stuff. 
3. plan on walking the aisles alot so make sure the
   child: adult ratio is 1:1
4. be patient.
5. bulkhead seats help 'cause they can nap on the floor
6. avoid the "red-eye" flights. our son was coming
down with an ear infection and screamed the entire 5h
flight from Hawaii to San Francisco. it would have been
bad anyway but on the red eye flights people really,really
want to sleep.

sue hough had the best suggestion...be patient. so your
kid cries. big deal. you will never see these people
again (hopefully).

at 15 months (the age of the child from the original
poster) toys were of limited use. our child bounced
between our seats and played with magazines. 

good luck.
-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: Key children
Followup-To: key children
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:05:33 GMT

In article 679@hsr.no, karl@hsr.no (Karl Martin Lund) writes:
>
>
>Some friends of mine are working on a papir on what we in Norwegian call
>key-children. It's children in the age about five to twelve years who
>for some reason have no parents at home when they for instance arrive home
>after school. The reason may be that the parents are at work. The children
>then have their own key, and have to spend time on their own at home.
>
>
>BTW, is there an English term for key-children? 
 
YES - they are called LATCH KEY KIDS

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler)
Subject: Re: dangerous toy list
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:02:24 CST

In article <1992Nov19.140911.23029@newscan.canada.sun.com> davidbw@superjack.Canada.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 25300@cbnewsl.cb.att.com, zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
>> On the radio yesterday during the news, I heard them mention that
>> someone (didn't hear who) had put out a list of the 10 most dangerous
>> toys.  The item was newsworthy because 2 of the 10 were from Fisher
>> Price.  Did anyone happen to catch what's on the list?
>> 
>> 	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [29 months])
>> 	ssa@usl.com
>
>
>The gentlemen who published the list was a lawyer from New York.  The list
>contained seemingly harmless toys until he pointed out their potential danger.
>Some toys were considered dangerous because they could cause "scrapes and
>abrassions".   Some of the toys were definitely dangerous,  others about the same
>as a teaspoon.
>
>Using this guys criteria for dangerous I guess I should have the brick on the 
>exterior of my house removed since the kids play outside and could get scrapes 
>or abrassions if they brush  against it.
>
>---
>    ^        David Wadsworth (davidbw@Canada.Sun.COM)
>   /|\	     Sun Microsystems of Canada     
>  /--\	     100 Renfrew Drive,                      "Putting Canada First"   
>    |	     Markham, Ontario, CANADA
>

Despite the fact that the originator of the list may have been a bit overly
paranoid (in some opinions) when evaluating some of the products, I'd still
like to know what, specifically, is on the list.

Please, would someone who knows please share the information?

Coni Gehler
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Carseat FAQ
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:30:49 GMT

In article <Bxz5Jq.IxL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michelle Butler) writes:
>I think that there is a FAQ for this also.  Sarah has one of the infant
>seats that are for up to a 24" child or 20 lbs.  She is 24" long but
>only 13 lbs.  The straps for the shoulder start at below her shoulders
>so I am in the market for a new car seat.... What are the options of the

they are supposed to be below her shoulders, or very close to them when
the child is in a rear facing position. The straps are used to stop a child
from 'ramping up', in the case of a rear facing accident. When the child is
in a forward facing position, the straps are to keep them from going forward,
so then you woudlnt want them much below the shoulders.

I kept my son  rear facing until he was 11 months old (in a toddler seat), and
I was told that you have to use the lower slots fro the strap, even if they 
are taller then that. I got the info from an LA based consumer group dealing
with Child Car safety. They also urged me to keep him rear facing as long as
possible with 12-13 months being optimal.

>car seats and etc. The places that I go have 1 or 2 carseats from each
>company, and then another will have 1 or 2 others....  and of course
>hardly any writeups for the features and etc of the carseats.  Sarah
>also is only 9 weeks old, so I still need the head protected and rear
>facing!  If there is not a FAQ.....  Does anyone have any advice?  

Take your child, and your car, and find a seat that fits both!

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: cute things they say (age 6)
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:40:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.053315.2027@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:

>Last night, I happened to tell Rebecca one of the cute things she'd
>said when she was 2.5.  She didn't believe me, I persisted, so
>she announced, ``Daddy, you're weird!''.

>We finally persuaded her that the incident really happened...

My daughter (age 9) has been going through a period of wanting to hear 
things she did and said when she was a baby. Until I read your posting I 
thought she believed them all. Now I realize that she may not.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What does it mean when it's GREEN?
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:33:18 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

You know that you are a parent when:

	You find it interesting discussing the color, consistency
	and frequency of your child's stools.  :-) :-)

Gee...  color, clarity and carat weight seems like so long ago...

Donna

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: Parents of Twins Here?
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:57:27 GMT
Organization: Authors with Twins
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:34:32 GMT

I'm happy to have newly discovered this group, thanks to the
recommendation of someone in my email group.  It looks like a wonderful
resource!

I was wondering if anyone else here has twins or more?  My twins,
Genevieve and Leo, are 15 months old and keeping me quite busy, as usual.

Just curious!

--Theresa
From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Loving the disobedient was (Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:44:09 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

>More to the point, perhaps, the kind of moral advice you were offering
>is bound to be taken personally by people whose only complaints against
>their parents are of this emotional kind, because you said nothing to
>guard against the words "abuse" and "neglect" being taken in only the
>narrower sense.

If they can be taken in a narrow or a broad sense, why assume the
intended one was the one you find offensive?  Are you looking for
opportunities to be offended?

>I mean that you are simply mistaken in presuming that those who
>continue to blame their parents for their personal unhappiness
>do so because of having made no effort to understand their parents'
>point of view.

Some of them do; some of them don't.  If only *one* member of her
audience falls into that category, then her words were worthwhile.
If you think the shoe fits you, then wear it.  Otherwise leave it
for someone else.  Or are you looking for opportunities to be
offended?

>>[...] Suffice it to say that there is enough diversity on
>>the net that almost anyone can get insulted by almost anything I say.  
>
>The insult does not necessarily lie in the mind of the person receiving it.

In this case it quite clearly did.  You have the option to add Judy to
your killfile if you find her words insulting.  I happen to think her
posts and opinions are quite worth reading.

Not much in here about kids; followups redirected.

-- 
	Truth is an evaluation of a statement within a context.
Organization: Alumni Relations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:14:09 -0500 
From: Dana Lindsay Rinehart <dr18+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: antibiotics and the pill

Yes, it really is true.  I've had a couple doctors tell me that a drug
they were prescribing would interfere with the pill.  But I've also had
some not tell me anything.  One of those times I asked the
pharmacist-in-training, who looked at the ceiling like the answer was
printed up there, and said, "No, it doesn't interfere."  I didn't trust
him, so I called my sister (OB/gyne) and she said, "Yes, it absolutely
does."  

Since then I make it a point to ask the *doctors* about any prescription
they're writing for me.  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Imaginary friends
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:38:38 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

Sigh.  What do you do when your 3 YO son insists that you invite his
imaginary friend over for a play date?  Fortunately, he didn't throw
a tantrum over the issue....
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shams@astrals.portal.com (Sharon Zakhour)
Subject: Re: Mail order company packaging (was Re: Brio Compatible Thomas trains)
Organization: Astral Software
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:11:27 GMT

I just received a package from a company in Vermont that used a new kind  
of packing peanut made from cornstarch.  If you hold one of the peanuts  
under water it instantly dissolves.

Very cool!

Sharon Zakhour
mom to Maya  11/5/92
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Tour of the Hospital - What questions to ask?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:09:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.211726.4573@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:

>My husband already has strict instructions from
>me to stay with that baby!  Don't worry about me, just follow that
>baby!  And memorize that baby! 

We had it easy in this regard.  When your new baby has twelve fingers,
she's pretty easy to spot.

I still stayed with Sarah constantly (the nursery staff hated me,
I'm sure).  Our main concern was bonding rather than preventing
theft, though.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:54:08 GMT
Summary: maybe our kids have the same father?
	 ended inappropriate comments

In article <BxM6un.sq@fastrac.llnl.gov>, miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712) writes:
> 
> In article <8ezyfV200UhWE2wks2@andrew.cmu.edu>, 
> jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judi Mancuso) writes:
> 
> |> In response in lots of stories about kids "not matching" their parents--
> <..deleted judi's story about an encounter at the mall where well-being
> strangers comment about how her children don't look like her...>

When  my daughter was a 0 year old, she had curly red hair.  My husband
has light brown hair, and I have dark brown hair with red highlights.
A man at work gave me grief about Maddie's hair, what did the postperson
(we have a postwoman) look like?  Then he commented that although neither
he nor his wife have curly red hair, 2 of their 3 kids did.  I said
that maybe his kids and my kid had the same father, and that was the
end of that.
From: mbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michelle Butler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Carseat FAQ
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:50:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxz5Jq.IxL
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois

I think that there is a FAQ for this also.  Sarah has one of the infant
seats that are for up to a 24" child or 20 lbs.  She is 24" long but
only 13 lbs.  The straps for the shoulder start at below her shoulders
so I am in the market for a new car seat.... What are the options of the
car seats and etc. The places that I go have 1 or 2 carseats from each
company, and then another will have 1 or 2 others....  and of course
hardly any writeups for the features and etc of the carseats.  Sarah
also is only 9 weeks old, so I still need the head protected and rear
facing!  If there is not a FAQ.....  Does anyone have any advice?  


-- 
Michelle Butler 
National Center for Supercomputing Applications 
Mass Storage System Administrator 
email: mbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu
From: pt@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Perry Taidi)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:47:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Don't Spank!
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:11:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.151620.7932@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>Having had 2 episiotomies that tore (one a 4th degree (i.e. back to the 
>rectum) and the other 3rd degree (still pretty big)) I thought I'd mention
>that the episiotomies and tears aren't necessarilay that big a deal.  

I hope I have Susan's experience next time (I realize that "necessarily" 
is there for a reason)! I had an episiotomy that kept hurting  for a 
long time even though I was also up and around the day of my delivery.
Like Susan, mine was sewn up too tight (and the nurse commented on it,
too). This was a later source of pain...

ICEA offers a pamphlet on a perineal massage you can do leading up to 
the delivery. I was going to do it, but only did it once before the 
baby arrived quite early.

I think that they usually don't cut back toward the rectum, but sort 
of off to the side. I have forgotten exactly why but I remember that
they cut straight back in some cases. 

Sitz baths do help and I wish I had taken more. Also, I didn't like 
the cold pads because they were too bulky to sit on. I didn't like 
any of the pads they offered. When I got out of the hospital we 
bought the thinnest maxi pads available. Those felt a LOT better.
Also, I had red bleeding for 3 weeks and so did a friend, so don't 
worry too much that you have a problem (although perhaps you should
have it checked out) if you aren't the "textbook case" on that.

--Ashley, ashley@osc.edu
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:14:30 GMT
Reply-To: judson@watserv.ucr.edu

In article <By2t7H.3DF@world.std.com> srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller)  
writes:
> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> 
> >I think [the Hardwick] decision was wrong.  What two consenting adults
> >do in private is none of the government's business.
> 
> But that has nothing to do with what the court was asked to decide.
> The question was not whether or not it is the business of the federal
> government to regulate the conduct of consenting adults.  The question
> was whether or not it is the business of the federal government to
> regulate a state's legislative power over the conduct of consenting
> adults.  Now, you may feel that prohibiting sodomy is wrong, but all
> the court decided was that such prohibition did not violate the
> Constitution.
> -- 
> Stevens R. Miller J.D.

Mr. Miller, I don't mean to insult your intelligence as a J.D., but there
was more at issue than if the federal government can regulate a state
government's legislation regarding two consenting adults.  In fact, the
petitioner was arguing that homosexuality is Constitutionally legal, and
thus the state has no right to make legislation regarding the activities
of homosexuals.  The Court, however, rightly did find that nowhere in the
Constitution does it state that Homosexuality is a right which can not be
abridged.  In this regards, I agree with the Court's decision.  However,
nowhere in the Constitution does it say that heterosexuality is a right
which can not be abridged, and as such, the government could very well
make legislation prohibiting activities between two heterosexuals.  This
is theoretically how the Court would decide in regards to the petitioner's
complaint.  However, the petitioner did not ask the right question.  He
wanted the Court to rule that homosexuality is a Constitutional right,
and the Court could not find any basis for this and ruled against him.
Instead, the petitioner should have asked that the legislation be stricken
on grounds that it violated the right to privacy.  If this were the
argument, the petitioner would have had a better chance of winning.

In my personal opinion though, I agree that states or the federal 
government have no right to intrude on the activities of two consenting
adults, whether hetero or homosexual.

--
"It takes a big man to cry.
but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
				Jack Handy


judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: dag@col.hp.com (David Geiser)
Subject: Re: Rapists should not be executed
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:17:33 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) writes:
>                      Thus, if rape and murder are given the same
> sentence, why would the rapist decide to not murder the victim?  Thus,
> For the protection of rape victims, rapists should not be given overly
> harsh sentences.

$OPINION_WARNING$

Because of limited police resources, murders are investigated
more thoroughly (better?)  than rapes.  A murderer has a better
chance of being caught than a rapist.  To lower your odds of
being caught (same punishment), don't do that which is
investigated more thoroughly.

Alternatively, if every criminal committed murder as the end
result of his/her crime, the police would be so swamped that they
could probably be mostly discounted or ignored by the criminals.

Alternatively, if every victum-to-be was armed and a large
percentage of the criminals were killed during the commission of
their crime ...


dag
"How much is a .357 anyway?"
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller)
Subject: Re: Law books in electronic form?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:44:05 GMT

bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:

>I have never seen West books on CD-ROM. Indeed, for several reasons
>I question how willing West would be to put their info in so easily
>a copyable medium. Also, note how user friendly West has made WestLaw.
>At the final analysis, West is a book publisher, anything that
>takes away from book sales is apparently suspect.

West offers the New York Supplement, 2d, on CD-ROM, including the
famous key numbers and digests.  A similar product is offered on
CD-ROM by Law Desk.  They cover New York reports and a few other
states.  They will have New York statutes this year.  I don't know
if the data is plain text or not, but Law Desk's rep would only
promise me that their own software can read it, and it supports a
cut-and-paste feature, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's encoded
to avoid bootlegging.

Both products are advertised in the November New York State Bar
Journal.
-- 
Stevens R. Miller J.D.
Newsgroups: misc.legal