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From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Worst ACC Refs:  You damn rooks - by Curtis Hill
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:54:18 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: fehr@ms.uky.edu's message of Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:13:42 GMT


I'll respectfully disagree with Jeff, with one restriction: I'm
talking only about soccer.  In soccer, a goal is worth about 2
touchdowns in football (e.g. winning by three goals is a crushing of
the opponent).  Most games are decided by 1 or 2 goals.  If the
referee influences that play in some way (awards a penalty kick, does
not call a blatant foul a la' the famous Maradona handball, or awards
gratuitous cards which may result in ejections), the referee has a
huge effect on the match.

There really isn't an analog for basketball here.  If a referee blows
a call in hoops, it's 2 points out of 100.  Big deal.  In soccer, that
blown call could result in the entire scoring in a closely fought
match.

Now, I've been a coach for a kids team, and there I agree with Jeff:
the referee doesn't matter.  Why?  Because the level of the play is so
low.  We call it "beehive ball," where you see this swarm of kids
flowing around the field.  Occasionally the ball pops out, and the
swarm descends on it.  At that level, you don't even need a referee.
But the more sophisticated the play, the more devestating is the
effect of a bad referee.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

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                     practically nil..."  -- John DeArmond
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Recruiting update
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:13:35 GMT

Well Michael Stewart made it official and signed a letter of intent with
Cal. The 6'10" C/F averaged 18 ppg, 16 rpg and 6 blocks as a junior. He
chose Cal because he wanted to play with Jason Kidd and Monty Buckley.
Local rumor monger Brad Duggan(former CCSF coach) says that Darnell
Robinson a 6'11" center from Emeryville is going to Cal also, but its
just a rumor, Cal and St. Mary's were supposedly his top 2.

Locally the Kidd hype is getting bigger and bigger, he's promised a final
4 appearance by his sophomore year(if they get Robinson to go with Stewart
that is a pretty realistic goal). They're comparing him to Magic and the
big O again. Kidd is being called the most significant recruit in the 
history of Cal basketball, but if it were me I would vote for Monty Buckley.
He was the guy who became friends with Jason while he was playing pickup
games in the Cal gym, and that was the reason Kidd decided to stay home,
and now Stewart mentions Buckley as one of the reasons he wanted to come
to Cal.

And in UCLA recruiting.........

Lets see, O'Bannon is looking at Kentucky, Avondre Jones at Ohio State and
both guys are looking at Michigan, if Harrick loses those 2 and Robinson goes
to Cal, look for Harrick to be fired after the season.




Russ Smith
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From: kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: Re: Raycom (???)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:45:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.044644.5709@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>In article <16898C9B9.SCALES@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> SCALES@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
>>I have recently moved to the Pacific NOrthwest, but am interested in seeing
>>IU play on TV this season.  The schedule I have lists several of their games
>>as being shown on "Raycom".  Is this a nationwide cable station?  Does anyone
>>know if this Raycom shows only regional things or ....?????? Thanks for your
>>help.
>
>Raycom does regionalize.  For example, in Eastern Washington, all games
>on Raycom are PAC-10 games.  I'm pretty sure the same will be true of the
>Raycom games that you get, if you're in the Pacific NW.  Anyone who knows
>more about Raycom's coverage feel free to correct me here.
>
>Jim
>Go Cougs, Vikings, Northstars!

 yeah and here in the Midwest around Purdue country...Raycom televises Purdue
games also.....

Scott
P.S. Born an Illini, Boilermaker by the grace of God...

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From: steph@perseus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Black players at BYU 
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:57:25 GMT

In <Bxo0IB.5D0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

[snip]
>	Yes, I was referring to Chatman, but thanx for the clarification
>	on Sanderson -- that's right, he is black, and he played last year,
>	making him the most recent black BYU player.  But Chatman certainly
>	is a story.  He played on those teams w/ Michael Smith, and when he
>	went ot BYU, he wasn't a Mormon at all.  But after 4 years on the
>	team, he ended up converting, saying that the guys on the team
>	were always "so nice to me".  Interesting, eh?

Well, it's not unprecedented -- in football Ty Detmer and (I think) Robbie
Bosco converted while at the Y.  Never got McMahon in the fold, for some
reason :->.

What's really neat about Chatman is that he went to a really tiny high
school and was never recruited by anybody.  BYU was in Alabama for the
NCAAs and one of the assistant coachs went to a 1A/2A all star game, where
Chatman dominated.  After the game, the coach asked Chatman if he'd ever
considered attending BYU :->.  The rest is history.  Chatman turned out
to be the best player on the team his Sophmore - Senior years.  (Yes, some
of those years were with Michael Smith.  Michael Smith was a stiff.)
And Chatman had the prettiest turn-around jumper.  Not as fun as watching
Bradley, but Chatman was sure fun to watch.
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

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   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Subject: Re: Who is the worst ref?
Reply-To: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:13:54 GMT

The worst refs would be a team of D. Garretson (peter principle at work here),
S Javie and ????? maybe D Bavetta not sure on the last one 
IMHO the first 2 are locks.
-jim
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Are the Dookies chicken?
Keywords: Dook,UA
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:32:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov9.164631.22314@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
> This also is not true.  Arizona has had nothing to say about the refs at 
> Duke (they were ACC refs) and little to say about the refs at the Meadowlands 
> (since it was a pre-season tournament).  The problem with the PAC-10 is that 

 I don't think it was an early-season tourney. I think it was mid to late
season and I think it was some sort of charity event if memory serves...






			gln

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Polls, polls, polls
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:39:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.201612.1701@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>  
mix@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
> In article <6833@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)  
writes:
> >   I think Georgetown, Louisville and UCLA are ranked too high; and Wake,
> > Florida, Boston College and especially Utah are ranked too low.
> 
> 	If you think Georgetown is ranked too high, you haven't heard 
> about our new recruits, especially Othella Harrington.  He's the next 
> Dikembe, Mourning, and Ewing.

Sounds like Othella must be the "three man"!!!  Roll them dice...drink,
drink, drink, Othella.

And Rob and I know the only basketball "poll" you can trust is Coach K.

OD

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From: kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: Re: Kentucky VS Louisville
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:16:49 GMT

In article <1dcvk0INN494@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>Well, the big intra-state rivalry will be very early in the season this year.
>I believe UK has only 1 or 2 games before they face the Cardinals.  I have a
>feeling this may be a UofL year, simply due to the fact that Louisville has
>a team that has played together last year while UK may take a while to get
>team chemistry going.  Anyway, I'm expecting big years from both schools,
>but UofL has an edge (Can they capitalize?) in the Big Game (UK fans probably
>want to get rid of that high ranking expectation early anyway!)
>
>Mike
>-- 

 Go Louisville, when they aren't playing Purdue, Michigan, or Ball State..
I went to the same HS as Mike Abram, when he was on Louisville's
'86 championship squad, and sure it may have sounded like he really 
didn't do anything there, but anyways, I am a bit Louisville fan and hope
they do well this year....

Scott 
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From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Re: All-Name Teams
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:00:53 GMT

In article <6768@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>
> On a lighter, non ACC-megaposting note, here are my carefully crafted
>   All-Name teams:
>

	All-Fish:
	Kendall Gill?

	All bodily function:
	Bobby Hurly?


	Yep, I'm bored, and can't think straight because of
	the coffee, but I like this thread!



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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Trivia Partial Spoilers (was: Re: UNC, Duke, and ACC Trivia)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:29:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.193047.20742@news.tufts.edu> gharris@jade.tufts.edu  
(George W. Harris) writes:

> >What were the three years in ACC History in which the 'Heels failed
> >to post a winning record in conference?  (Which year brought an 
> >overall losing record?)

> 	Hmmm.  1961, '62, '63, with '61 being on the bottom?  I think those
> were Dean-o's first three years after the point-shaving scandal.

Nope.  UNC was 12-2, 19-4 in 1961, and 10-4, 15-6 in 1963.  In '62 the
'Heels had a 7-7 ACC season, with an 8-9 overall record. 

> >How many years did it take Duke to sink to last place in the ACC
> >after its inception?  (How many times did Duke finish 8th, or tied
> >for 7th?  Who was Duke's coach that year?)
> 
> 	I think the only three years Duke finished last were '75, '76, '77.

There was one other year...  

> (a former assistant to Bucky Waters who only coached one year, I think)

..and that's the guy I'm asking about.

> but it was Bill Foster in '76 and '77. 

As well as in '75.

> In '78 they won the conference and went to the FF.

The conference tourney, yes, as UNC won the mythical regular season title
by one game.

> >And a Bonus question:

> >What is the ACC's Final Four National Championship Winning Percentage
> >(i.e., # of ACC NC's / # of ACC trips to Final Four)?  (It might be
> >interesting to see the number for other conferences...) 
> 
> 	That is a toughie...there are 6 NCs

Correct...

> Duke has been to the FF 10 times.  Ga. Tech went once, in '90.
> I think NCState only went the two times they won.  UVa twice, in '81 and
> '85.  Clemson, never.  South Carolina, I don't think while in the conference
> (or indeed ever).  Wake Forest, I think went once in the early '60s.  I 
> think the same for Maryland.  Florida State went in '72, but that was before
> they were in the conference, so it doesn't count.

..correct...

> UNC...I believe went 11 times, but I could be wrong.

..correct - you are wrong on UNC.

> gharris@jade.tufts.edu          George W. Harris

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From: mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore)
Subject: Re: Student seating
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:19:30 GMT


At UC, the students have the seats behind both baskets. There is no upper deck on the ends, so most of the seats are very good. 

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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Dale Brown suspends two
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:15:42 GMT

In article <BxMK0u.2J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>
>>LSU's Dale Brown has suspended the starting backcourt of LSU, Maurice 
>>Williamson and Jamie Brandon for the fall semester.  He cited "academic
>>irresponsibility".  The fall semester at LSU ends in mid-December, so they
>>will miss only four games against creampuffs if they do come back.  In fact,
>>they could play at the Maui Invitational December 21, if allowed back on the
>>team.
>
>	Why don't these 2 jokers just go ahead and go pro?  It's not
>	like either of them haven't had their academic difficultes --
>	both being Prop 48 students coming into college, and Williamson
>	a redshirt 2 years ago because of academics.  This doesn't surprise
>	me one bit.  Looks like if these guys don't come back, the Tigers
>	are stuck with a starting lineup of Mike Hansen (not bad, considering
>	he was the starter 2 years ago) and Paul Marshall (who was pretty
>	solid down the stretch last season).  

Paul Marshall transferred out of LSU.  This guy will light it up where
ever he goes.  He broke the Cheif's high school scoring records in
Shreveport Louisiana.
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Are the Dookies chicken?
Keywords: Dook,UA
Date: 3 Nov 92 18:20:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Nov2.220057.444@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.160226.18103@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct28.182840.4031@dg-rtp.dg.com> bradley@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com writes:
>>>
>>>Both Parks and Meek are from southern California.  Coach K likes scheduling games in the home town area of his players if possible.  The most logical choice was a home and home series with UCLA.  Coach K didn't want 2 west coast teams.  Arizona had to g
>o 
>>>(at least for now).
>>
>>Pardon me, but what a crappy reason to schedule games.
>>
>>Ted
>
>	You got a better reason to schedule games?
>
>	I believe that Duke dropped Arizona because Lute didn't
>	want to play in Cameron.  After all, previous games had
>	been at a neutral site and at Arizona.  At least UCLA
>	is willing to play home and home.
>
>	Besides, if Arizona really wants to play Duke, all they
>	have to do is find their way into the Final Four.
>
>	--rb

You had better check your information, because you are wrong!  
The first game was played at Meadowlands, the second at Cameron 
and the third here at McHale.

Next time, look before you leap!

Ted

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Who is the worst ref?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:45:26 GMT

>arminius@soc9.acpub.duke.edu (Ian Carter) writes:
>: 
>:   In light of the interest in all-time great Duke and Kentucky teams, how
>: about this thread: 
>: 
>: 	What is the worst officiating crew possible to assemble. I put Lenny
>: Wurtz as the ref.

Actually, I think the worst officiating crews in history have been doing both
of the Indiana Pacers' games so far this season.  Isn't it a rule of thumb to
call a technical when the coach flies ten feet out of the box?  Shouldn't you
reset the shot clock when the ball hits the rim?  Lenny Wirtz looks good next
to these lunkheads.

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: ACC Early Departures
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:26:07 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

As promised, here is the complete list of ACC players that have gone pro early:

Clemson: Skip Wise (Fr, 1975)
Duke: None (although Banks, Ferry & Laettner all considered it)
Georgia Tech: Kenny Anderson (So, 1991); Dennis Scott (Jr, 1990)
Maryland: Jerrod Mustaf (So, 1990); Buck Williams (Jr, 1981); Brad Davis(Jr, 76)
 Moses Malone (1974); Barry Yates (Jr, 1971)
North Carolina: J.R. Reid (Jr, 1989); Mike Jordan (Jr, 1984); 
 James Worthy (Jr, 1982); Bob McAdoo (Jr, 1972)
NC State: Charles Shackleford (Jr, 1988); Chris Washburn (So, 1986);
 Kenny Carr (Jr, 1977)
Virginia: Olden Polynice (Jr, 1987) 
Wake Forest: Kenny Green (Jr, 1985)
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Raycom (???)
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:46:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov8.044644.5709
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University

In article <16898C9B9.SCALES@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> SCALES@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
>I have recently moved to the Pacific NOrthwest, but am interested in seeing
>IU play on TV this season.  The schedule I have lists several of their games
>as being shown on "Raycom".  Is this a nationwide cable station?  Does anyone
>know if this Raycom shows only regional things or ....?????? Thanks for your
>help.

Raycom does regionalize.  For example, in Eastern Washington, all games
on Raycom are PAC-10 games.  I'm pretty sure the same will be true of the
Raycom games that you get, if you're in the Pacific NW.  Anyone who knows
more about Raycom's coverage feel free to correct me here.

Jim
Go Cougs, Vikings, Northstars!
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Michigan News
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Nov12.180430.4293@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:26:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.180430.4293@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:

   smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) writes:

   >Just in:  Webber, Rose, and Riley have been CLEARED of any
   >wrong-doing by the NCAA.  Michigan has restored their eligibility.
   >No action will be taken against them or the university.

   whew!  thank god... I was losing sleep over when the ncaa
   would rule on this and find in favor of our fab5 players...
   i can't wait to see them play this year.  go wolves, beat dook!
   <sarcasm off>

   >Ron

   ::j

Took a while.  I was starting to think you had gotten lost again, Doc.

Bill
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Ted Kitchell
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:20:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx941z.8DH
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.155229.1601@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau) writes:
>>what ever happened to Ted Kitchell?

	Probably he's still somewhere sucking on his fingers before shooting
	a FT...

	Jazzy J
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: ACC and DDD (was: UNC, Duke, and ACC Trivia)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:43:59 GMT

In article <matthew.721092703@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu  
(Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
> 
> >But both are wrong, as it is Neill McGeachy, who sucked his way
> >to a 10-16 record (.385 pct).  This record left NC State and UNC
> >as the only ACC schools with all coaches (since inception, and 
> >excluding FSU) to have winning records during their tenure.
> 
> Does anybody other than me remember the radio jingle Duke used to try
> to sell basketball tickets?  Kind of a braying "Ne-ill Mc-Gea-ee-aa-ee-chy".
> Could N.M. have sucked the very first DDD?

Well, from an ACC perspective the worst coach ever was Walt Hambrick,
who compiled a 4-20 record (.167) at South Carolina (the USC of the East)
in his one season, 1959.  This may have been the season that actually
KILLED the donkey, though.  It certainly sucked, though Hambrick
did get 2 ACC wins that year and did not have the worst ACC coaching
season in history:

		Clemson, 1955, 0-14, 2-21 under Banks McFadden, who went
		84-131 (.390) in 10 seasons (1947-56)

		Virginia, 1961, 2-12, 3-23 under Billy McCann, who went
		40-106 (.274) in 6 seasons (1958-63)

		Georgia Tech, 1981, 0-14, 4-23 in the last year of Dwane
		Morrison a respectible (in this crowd) 91-122 (.427)
		from 1974-81.
		
> That jingle *still* gives me nightmares.

As if Mac's coaching wasn't bad enough.  I'll check with the Duke
SID the next time that I'm down there - perhaps a tape can be
made, and sampled for anonymous FTP...

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