Organization: Penn State University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 14:13:47 EDT
From: <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Comments & questions on the current state of a.r-n-r.m

In article <1992Apr11.092222.2007@cs.ucf.edu>, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
says:
>
>I have some things to say about the current state of this group. This mainly
>goes out to Suaron, Maple, and the other guy (?), but others should read it
>too.
>First of all USENET is not a bulletin board. Many readers have access through
>a
>bulletin board, but that is just their view of it. Posting articles costs
>thousands of dollars. 99% of the readers couldn't give a damn about that.

Hey! I pay for the priviledge of using this account, with my money.
Therefore I'm sure my fair share has gone into the thousands of dollars
spend to pay for this netnews bulletin board.  I'm also sure everybody
else how posts here helps pay for the costs to, else this bulletin
board would not be running.  Oh! and if you don't consider this a
bulletin board as I do then what is the offical name then, Usenet,
still sounds like a bulletin board to me.


>Secondly, news groups have topics to which the articles should confine
>themselves to. a.r-n-r.m is supposed to contain articles about metal music.
>Unfortunately, I am joining the list of offenders by posting this. Having
>arguments about non-metal topics should be carried out in e-mail. (I highly
>recommend an argument e-mail list for the three people already mentioned and
>any others that would want to be on it. The latency would be much shorter
>since
>the mail would go directly to the readers and the rest of us wouldn't have to
>read it.)

Yes, I know this group should contain only metal music.  Yes the majority
of my posts deal with what should not be here.  But hey when people realize
bands like def leppard don't belong here then I shall stop my banterings
about posers and such.  Until then to quote all the posers, 'If I think
its about metal then I'll post it here.'  That means if I think ripping
posers to shreds is a metal topic then god damn it, its a metal topic.

Send email is far more time consuming than posting something here
especially if your trying to convince a considerable sized group that
what they are posting does not belong here.

>Is there really any purpose to posting articles about groups you don't like?
>Let the people who like the groups have their discussions. Posting articles
>saying that <group x> isn't metal, or <band member y> can't sing, etc., is
>a complete waste of time (I tried to leave out really derogatory comments).

Why is it a waste of time?  Some people might enjoy reading stuff like
this...not saying I do but it can get rather funny at times.  If as you
you say this board is solely meant for the purpose of discussing metal
then why are bands who aren't metal bands being discussed here?  Is
there some kind of double standard?

Another reason I find all to often to use kill files is the following.
People will talk about some band I don't should be here, then at the
end of the article they will tack on something about a band I like.
Then instead of changing topic names people will just followup and
discuss the band I like under a topic name of some band I can't
stand!

>Finally some comments on some rather lame subjects:
>
>If you're going to have a USENET vote (i.e. it's on USENET), you can't say
>"only people who <condition> can vote". I know the recent vote wasn't a
>really a USENET vote to begin with, so get it off USENET.

What?  This was not some damn offical vote!  It was partially for fun
and hell this is a democratic country and the other person agreed to
it.  And tell me what is the sense of having people who don't read
this newsgroup vote in a newsgroup oriented vote?  Oh! Almighty god
take humor away from us so that we may all die of utter boredom!

>Have some people given any thought to the purpose of 5-15 line .sigs with
>graphics in them? => "Gee, my article looks great with that picture hanging
>off of it. Everyone is going to really like my article, and everyone is going
>to like me that much more." How about keeping the .sigs down to relevant
>info. like e-mail address, postal address, etc. (as if someone is going to
>contact you anyway).

Oh please get a life dude!  Just because some people have enough
creativity to invent some neat sig files doesn't mean they shouldn't
use them cause you think they are too long.  Oh Big Brother says we
can't be creative!  Yes make me into a mindless robot please!

>Sorry for the non-(a.r-n-r.m) post. This group is getting way out of hand
>as far as the level of noise. Certainly the main offenders are not going to
>cooperate, but perhaps the more conscious readers can do their part by not
>"following-up" or by using e-mail (but that still fuels the fire). If a few
>people carry on the noise, it will be easier for others to ignore it.

Some nerve you have.  Conduct non-metal discussions via email.  Then
you turn around and post something here.  Why didn't you just send
us all email.  I know you sent me email but why didn't you just address
it to everyone else who reads this group while your at it, huh?
What would it have taken you to long.  No, you'd just rather help
waste thousands of dollars by posting it here.  Again, is there
some kind of double standard going on or something?  Did I miss
the Catch-22?

>Again, my apologies for my noise contribution. I just can't wait for the
>colorful responses from the accused. I'm sure I'll see a name or two that
>I haven't been called before...

What's this Tom an invitation for a flame war?

>Tom

--slide with me to your netherworld, emotion exquisite in sweet demise
Suaron
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