HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sboyle@maths.tcd.ie (Simon Boyle)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: ?: Folder editing
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:58:46 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Organisation: Trinity College Dublin, League for Programming Freedom, and Church of the SubGenius. Three for starters.

In <NQ91GKJ@math.fu-berlin.de> guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:

>Hi! Is there a way to call an editor from nn to make a quick change to
>a saved article ? I'd like to be able to edit the saved information
>quickly. Calling vi from outside nn tends to be a bit tedious.

Yes -- nn isn't the greatest when it comes to editing saved stuff. It'd be
nice to be able to go back through the digests of articles I'd saved and
just tap a key to delete or edit an article I didn't like.

As a newsreader, nn is very close to faultless; I love it, although a new
format for the killfile, involving fields for name, reference count, and
line count could be very handy. Otherwise, it's the best going!

>Sven
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell)
Subject: nn not giving me all groups
Organization: InterLinx Support Services Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:15:42 GMT

I've installed the latest nn (i think, patch level 16?) and I initialized the
database and collected all existing news.  

nnadmin tells me there is 3766 news articles in the database, however when I
log in and use nn to read articles I only get approx 600 articles and they 
are from a minor set of the total news groups.

what am I doing wrong??

please answer by e-mail, as this group is not one of the ones nn will let
me read.

thanx
	brian

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InterLinx Support Services, Inc.                        uunet!van-bc!ilinx!brian
North Vancouver, B.C.
        Platform and Brand Independent UNIX Support - R3.2 - R4 - BSD
Xref: sparky news.misc:889 alt.config:2855 alt.drugs:7450 alt.postmodern:1213 alt.angst:1248
From: cgy@cs.brown.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
Subject: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...)
Date: 10 Apr 1992 21:59:20 GMT
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: cslab8d.cs.brown.edu

In article <1992Apr10.185713.659@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>cgy@cs.brown.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>|
>| You might as well limit the damage and spring for a visa to Mars, before you
>| just drift away through the Oort cloud and out into interstellar space.
>
>So what are you saying?  That some people have a right
>to discuss what they want in the newsgroups of their
>choice, and others don't, and you're the judge?

Hey, hey!  Let's not get paranoid about this.  Christ, I can practically
hear your teeth chattering from coffee and cold rage.  Relax.  Take a
Valium.  And remember:

You have a perfectly good right to post foolish babble.

I have a perfectly good right to say you're a babbling fool.

It's a free country, you know.

c
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism (was: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...))
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:40:54 GMT

gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:

>In article <29EB0E0D.4492@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>| >or they don't know how to use it;
>| 
>| No excuse: there are manuals.

>I guess you're assuming that everyone is a techie.  I've
>been trying to get other kinds of people involved in the net.
>Believe it or not, computer people do not have any kind of
>monopoly on intellection or wit.

Exactly.  There are plenty of clever non-techies.  There's no excuse for them
not to read the manuals and learn to use kill files.

On the other hand, I do think cascades are a monumental waste of time and
resources.  I don't find them amusing, and I would not complain if they went 
away.

--
Paul Callahan       | "... the 'spineless prickly pear' ... this long-neglected 
callahan@cs.jhu.edu | gift of nature, which now promises to be of as great or 
                    | even greater value to the human race than the discovery 
BIFF WHERE ARE YOU? | of steam."                      -- Luther Burbank, 1911
Newsgroups: news.misc
From: jshg1134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey S. Hoeft)
Subject: Smilemakers
Summary: Smilemakers
Keywords: Smilemakers request
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:46:39 GMT


Smilemakers has asked for assistance in making a little boy's dream
come true.

Seven year old Craig Shergold has an inoperative brain tumor and has very
little time to live.  His wish is to collect the most business cards 
received by an individual in order to be included in the Guiness Book of
World Records. 

Please send your business card(s) to:

	Craig Shergold
	c/o Childrens Make a Wish Foundation
	32 Perimeter Center West
	Atlanta, GA 30464


Thanks for your help.



	     
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
From: amdunn@mongrel.uucp (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:27:05 GMT

In article <29EC23EA.58CD@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU:
>>I do not read Usenet on an IBM VM/ESA "by choice." It is my only choice.
>
>False.  It is your only _free_ and _convenient_ choice.
>
>Value is not usually free and convenient.
>
>If you want value (e.g. a threaded newsreader), and you're not getting
>it for free, then be prepared to pay for it, or do without.

Sorry, guys, but I just can't stand Chip's snobbery anymore.  After
pushing the value of threaded newsreaders (which I think we all agree
are generally a Good Thing), he's now pushing the concept that if you
can't afford a site with threaded newsreaders (the One True Type Of
News Reader) you should get off Usenet.

Pthhhhhhhhht!

Seems to me that a simpler solution is stopping cascades and some
of the other childish pranks plaguing the Net today.  It'll save us
all from the Threaded NewsReader Terrorists.


[ don't get me wrong - _I_ think threaded newsreaders are good
  too - but the majority of Usenet sites still don't have them,
  and Usenet has NEVER NEVER NEVER been predicated on the need
  for everybody to have the latest and greatest ]


Andy

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Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.postmodern
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:04:21 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au:
>gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
> > why alt.postmodern ... and not others, say, comp.protocols.tcp-ip
>
>If cascades poured into a newsgroup like that, the readers wouldn't be
>talking about the merits of killfile/threading technology, they'd be
>writing terse letters to the participants' news administrators.

That sounds plausible.  And, if true, it says nothing about the
cascaders -- but it says _everything_ about how those newsgroups'
readers value those groups (or, in some cases, don't value them).

Didn't you notice that the only reason why c.p.tcp-ip isn't cascaded
is the way the _readers_ would respond?  If alt.postmodern's readers
value their group highly enough to make a stink with the admins of
cascaders' systems, then those readers' stopping power will equal that
of the readership of c.p.tcp-ip.  Whereas if they don't care enough to
write -- apparently the case -- then nothing will change.

>Cascades demonstrate that Usenet can be made pretty unusable for a
>large number of people.

Quite -- but that "large number of people" are those using software
that is already inadequate to the task of following today's Usenet.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...)
Organization: The Tiny Software Co., via APK Public Access Unix, Cleveland
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:45:00 GMT


>>No, I think it's _you_ not getting it.  The whole point of the
>>cascades and other, similar exercises, is to vandalize and thereby 
>>efface certain newsgroups -- certain discourses.
>
>Yeah, I see. It's okay to fuck around as long as it's not your dime, as
>long as it's not your equipment. And since when is alt.drugs not a 
>serious newsgroup? 

Oh yeah. I noticed Gordon is on Panix, so I suppose he is paying a certain
amount of money for his account. But I would bet he doesn't have to pay
connect charges to Internet providers to send mail and news. This is typically
a little bit more expensive than your typical monthly public access shell
fee.

s.



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Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
From: DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:13:53 GMT
 <1992Apr13.081959.2594@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> <29E98288.206F@tct.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Chip, you clearly have missed the importance of one of your qualifiers.
I do not read Usenet on an IBM VM/ESA "by choice." It is my only choice.
Reading Netnews without a Kill fcn is annoying, but it is the only way
I get it. I have learned many useful things and laughed quite heartily
at the humor produced by some on the net. As a friend once said, "The VM
does not support `Kill' files because they are useful." Perhaps you
should give greater consideration to the possibility that some of us are
willing to endure a little hardship to read Netnews, but that things
like endless cascades set us off. Were I to have to pay for my access,
then I would either drop groups where cascades were common, or fight
back the only way possible, with words.

Roo-Dog Rip
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Roo-Dog Rip is:                  <>SLAC, Stanford, the DOE and the
Derrell Durrett                  <>University of Colorado neither claim
D_DURRETT@COLOPHYS.BITNET        <>responsibility nor accept liability
D_DURRETT%KAOS@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU <>for my opinions. Gee- what a surprise.
Newsgroups: news.misc
From: kraig@biostr.washington.edu (Kraig Eno)
Subject: "Information Request" idea
Organization: Univ. of Washington
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:42:18 GMT

I have a problem, and a solution, and I'd like to hear what you think 
about it.

First, the problem.  Say I post a question to a Unix newsgroup asking some 
easy question like "how do I get a list of files?"  Later on, the Unix 
guru sri lsinodutar reads the group and sees the request for information.  
He might say to himself, "Self, I can answer that but the question is so 
easy that someone must have answered it already".  Or, if he's feeling 
magnanimous that day, he might say, "I'm going to tell this guy ALL about 
ls just in case he hasn't heard yet."

The problem here is that, depending on the moods of the various people and 
how long it takes them to see a request, a given plea may produce a 
mailbox full of duplicate information or nothing at all.  In the former 
case, I might post a message saying "enough already!", and in the latter, 
I might wait a week and then post the question again.

There must be a better way.  I'd like to propose one: a Net News "Request 
For Information" tracking service.  I have a prototype running in the lab 
here, and I think it works well (but it's pointless unless everyone uses it, 
of course).  Here's how it works:

When you post a question or a forsale message or whatever, you connect to 
the NNRFI service that's closest to you, and ask for a unique ID to 
include in your message.  In my case, I've made it easy by making a button 
on my NetNews reader stack that automatically connects and then pastes the 
reply into the message composition window.  It takes about 2 seconds, and 
produces a line like the following:
NNRFI# 1335538288 (axon.biostr.washington.edu)

When someone reads this message, they can say to themselves, "I 
wonder if that person still wants replies?" and on my News stack, I can 
press a button and get the answer -- it queries the server and replies 
either "still outstanding" or "not present".  Note that the server address 
is included in the message, so there's no ambiguity about where the ID is 
registered.

The only problems I see are these:
1) The server might have to deal with multiple concurrent requests of all 
types, if it's popular (my prototype doesn't deal with this, but would be 
easy to fix).

2) If someone from Finland tries to query my server, it requires a live 
(but brief) transatlantic connection, which might not be too good.  
Perhaps a system of shadowing would suffice, like that used for secondary 
nameservers.

I'd be interested in any and all replies, both about the feasibility and 
the implementation details, and whether you think you would like and use 
such a service.

Kraig Eno, kraig@biostr.washington.edu
Life in the city -- the ultimate Artificial Reality environment.
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism
Followup-To: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:32:31 GMT

In article <29E98288.206F@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>And, believe it or not, some newsreaders do not support the Kill
>>function.
>In this day and age, to use, by choice, a newsreader without thread
>following -- much less a kill function -- is stupid.  It wastes your
>valuable time, day after day, as you end up reading things that you
>know ahead of time are of no interest to you.

Who says these people _choose_ to use a newsreader without a kill function?
--
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idea.  Copy it into your .signature today!

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: goehring@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Goehring)
Newsgroups: news.misc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Time
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:51:43 GMT
Reply-To: goehring@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Distribution: tx
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
In-reply-to: dennis@ferranti.com's message of 6 Apr 92 15:33:16 GMT

dennis@ferranti.com (dennis gilbert) writes:

>Why do we still have to put up with the LOUSY Daylight Savings
>Time?? 

Who ever said you do?  *I* don't.  One of the fringe benefits (ok,
probably the only fringe benefit) of living in Indiana.

>If they must mess around with the clock, then do it only once and
>leave it that way! This bouncing the clock foward and backward every
>year is nothing but a big pain in the ass.  My kid and I must now get
>up in the dark and then try to get a 9 year-old to bed when it is
>still daylight outside, it isn't easy!

Part of the problem is that the timezones in most of the US have
little bearing to solar time.  Indianapolis (EST year round) has a
mean solar noon of about 1:15 pm (Indianapolis is 5.75 hours west of
prime).  We're at least 15 minutes into CST, but for political and
economic reasons we're in EST.  The same is true of most of Texas, I
suspect.  Dallas is 6.45 hours west of prime, so they're should just
barely be in CST (5.5 to 6.5 hours west).  Most of west Texas should
be in MST, but it's not politically expedient for it to be.

New York is, on the other hand, 4.93 hours west of prime, which is
practically in the middle of EST.  Chicago is 5.84 hours west of
prime, not far from the middle of CST, and Los Angeles is 7.88 hours
west of prime, or not too far from the middle of PST.  So at least the
really big cities are more or less where they belong.

Daylight savings time just makes things worse.  If Indianapolis went
on DST, mean solar noon would be about 2:15 pm.  This is so far off as
to be ludicrous.  MSN should be noon, or at least within a half-hour
or so.

I'm glad the legislators of the state of Indiana saw the wisdom in
ignoring DST.  I just wish the rest of the country would give up this
rather ridiculous practice.  As I recall, Hawaii also fails to heed
DST (why should they?), and there is one other state which I can't
recall at the moment (Arizona?).
--
We expect them [Salvadoran officials] to work toward the elimination
of human rights.
		-- Vice President Dan Quayle
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
Subject: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:46:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Apr10.224617.385
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

honig@thalia.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes:

: David A. Honig
: 
: "Oh, a vegetarian, eh?  Well, at my house, even the plants eat meat."
 
I love it. Is it original? 

Bill
From: kwaldman@bbn.com
Newsgroups: news.misc
Subject: news filters anyone?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 17:54:43 GMT
Organization: bbn
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.1.7.98

	Does anyone know of any news filters out there.  I find usenet has
lots of conversation that I have am not interested in following but
every once in awhile there are priceless gems I would prefer not to miss. 
(IMHO, of course).  As I am extremely limited on time, this would allow
me the best of both worlds.
	Is there any program out there that will allow me to tell it
categories, words, ideas, topics, names that I am interested in and
filter the various news groups (either all or individually) so that
I can read the ones I am interested in?  
	Please reply to me if you can at 
		kwaldman@bbn.com

	also feel free to cross post this message to other lists that
may be more appropriate.

	Thanks in advance 

	Karl M. Waldman

BBN Systems and Technologies
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From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
Subject: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:57:13 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

cgy@cs.brown.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
| Christ.  I guess I'm just another foolish little optimist; I used to think
| you folks wrote papers and essays and critiques in this pleasantly empty
| vein all day at work, just good ol' boys trying to get ahead in a harsh
| world, then went home and said to yourself, "Whew.  Damn, it's good to get
| all that bull-shit off mah mind.  Now I can just settle down and live the
| good life off all them bucks they pay me to teach at this jerkwater
| junior-college."
| 
| But, no.  My faith in humanity, shattered again.  You actually believe what
| you're saying.  Stoned kite-high on yourself and not comin' down no time
| soon.  Ye gods.
| 
| You might as well limit the damage and spring for a visa to Mars, before you
| just drift away through the Oort cloud and out into interstellar space.

So what are you saying?  That some people have a right
to discuss what they want in the newsgroups of their
choice, and others don't, and you're the judge?
-- 
* Gordon Fitch    |    gcf@panix.com 
Newsgroups: news.misc,alt.config,alt.drugs,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
From: asbestos@nwu.edu (Michael A. Atkinson)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism
Organization: Chaos
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:19:59 GMT

chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:

>According to gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch):

>>the effacers deprive others of the use of the newsgroup...

>I contest this statement.

>Unlike, say, a room, you can put 100 or 1000 people in a newsgroup.
>And cascade posts can usually be killed with one keystroke by people
>using threaded newsgreaders (a reasonable step in any case).

>So where is the "deprivation"?

People pay for newsfeed.  Some people pay 10-20 cents per Kilobyte (unlike
me, who pays a $20K cover charge for all computing...).  Killing off the
cascades keeps one from reading them, but not from paying for them.

People who really want to discuss drugs and drug policy are forced to pay
for the cascades.  This can push the price of the newsfeed out of their
reach.  Therefore depriving others of the use of the newsgroup.

And, believe it or not, some newsreaders do not support the Kill function.

It IS vandalism when posted in an inappropriate newsgroup.  It is
EXCESSIVELY annoying.  Damn straight I'm mad about it.




-- 
Michael A. Atkinson | "Why do bad things happen to good people?" I hear you 
asbestos@nwu.edu    |  cry, to which I say, "SHUT THE HELL UP!" - D.S. Cahr

      A Libertarian, an NRA member, and a firearms owner.
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From: hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey)
Newsgroups: news.misc,news.admin,misc.misc,news.groups
Subject: Re: just what are those 40,000 hosts? (1/7)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:25:36 GMT
Followup-To: news.misc
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC

reid@pa.DEC.COM (Brian Reid) writes:
>... So I decided to post some huge junk: the March 1992 list of hosts....

stephan@sunlab.ka.sub.org (Stephan Niemz) responds:

>Your file `allhosts.txt' contains 86098 lines, where the last
>43049 lines are exactly the same as the first half!

>Do you think your "information" is so important that everybody
>has to see it twice?

Perhaps Brian, or an unknown forger, noticed that at 7:18 GMT on the
second of April the date was still 1 April in Palo Alto.

Dan Hoey
Hoey@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil
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