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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: John Madden
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:37:42 CDT

In article <88640@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>John Madden is actually a good comentator, in my opinion.  He, having been
>a former coach (and still in control of his wits ... unlike "the Genius")
>knows the game really well and has provided great insight for me. However,
>I still he looks like John Candy.

I don't really mind him - he does an OK job.  I like a bit more humor that
he usually does, but I do appreciate the way he sticks to the game on the
field.  At least we never hear "When I was with the Raiders" all that much,
unlike some other former coaches.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should fail.)
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:34:05 GMT

"Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
[original Herschel - Terry Allen comparison deleted]


>While Walker played against the  Saints defense (ranked #2 last year),
>Terry Allen had to go up against that vaunted Green Bay defense.
>Sorry, you're comparing apples and oranges.

>	joe
I would say that this statement is correct - statistically speaking that
is.  But please remember this - the Packers alway plays the Vikings very
tough (or maybe, just maybe, the Vikings always overlooked the Pack).  
We Vikings fans are always pleased with a victory over the Pack, and Eagles
fans should be pleased with Herschel's first game, but I think that we are
going to need the results from a whole season to judge Herschel...and to 
see if Terry Allen can compare.

John Ganske      -------------------------
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:20:57 EDT
From: <BAS145@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cowboys vs Redskins..pregame comments?

    Just looking for a few pregame thoughts on tonight's game.
The more information....the better the wager!

Here are my thoughts....
  No Idea!  I know you can't go by the Redskin pre-season.  Trust me,
Gibbs will have his team ready to play.  A tremendous running game, a
great passing game (assuming Rypien has filed some of that rust off),
a big O-line to protect the QB.....A cowboy 'D' that is very fast but
undersized by NFL standards.  No question about the talent on this side
of the ball, but can they stop the bull-like pounding of the Skins
rushing game?  ..& can they get to Rypien?

  I love to watch the Cowboy 'O'.  Aikman & Smith..emerging superstars!
How good is that Dallas O-line?   What kind of injuries & holdouts am
I not aware of?  Has the Skins first team 'D' played well when together?

At first glance I like the Redskins power...they should be able to
grind out yardage & clock......REDSKINS     23
                               DALLAS       14


            However....being in Dallas...with Johnson as a coach....
      ...Dallas may have enough surprises to keep it closer.....
      As good as Emmitt Smith is, I don't expect him to have the
      same success he had last year against the skins.

                                      Please post any comments,
                                          or send them to me,
                                                Brett

                                  2 hours & counting.......
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From: lester@soldev.tti.com (jim)
Subject: Re: Buffalo television
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:13:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.202355.6232@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
>In article <Bu8sAy.9w@acsu.buffalo.edu>, evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>|> It's got nothing to do with Buffalo. It applies to all NFL cities.
>
>I assure you, it IS NOT like this in all nfl cities.  When I'm in Dallas,
>there's usually two other Sunday games on besides the Cowboys (one before
>or after on CBS, one on NBC).  Houston is the same way with the Oilers.
>Robert E. L\'{o}pez       |       Internet:
.
Look.  First of all, it was an inter-conf game --- NFC at AFC (Rams-Bills).
Which puts the game on CBS.
Second, the Bills sellout all their home games, which is the best that could
happen for any hometown armchair QB.  It means you see the entire season on
TV without having to leave the couch :-)
I don't see the logic of blacking out any NBC games in Bflo on the same day,
but that's the NFL for you.  Seems the Jets-Falcons game would have been
played at the same time as the Bills-Rams.  Which game do you think the fans
in Buffalo are going to watch??
-Jim
(Left Coast Bills Fan)
Jim Lester  (an employee)               Citicorp slash TTI
90405  (310)450-9111, x2209             lester@soldev.tti.com
			 "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive,
			  but it is lightning that does the work."  - M. Twain
From: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer News - Buckley signs
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:45:44 GMT
Reply-To: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California


> >Terrell Buckley signed today for $7.1 million for 4 years ($1.775 M/yr).
> >He flew down to Tampa Bay immediately after signing.  He says he's 
> >going to 'really scrap' to try to play this weekend.  Yeah, sure, 
> >fine.
> 
> Interesting that GB gave in and paid him so much.
> 

  Thats what I was thinking. Ron Wolf's expertise was supposed to be in the
area of player personal and running the draft. His 2 first round
selections in his
first year were Brett Farve and Terrell Buckley and so far he has an
interception
thrower and a holdout. 
   I know it is way to early to cut down Farve but for 2 first round
picks he hasn't
shown anything to date. Lets hope Buckley lives up to expectations.



Mark Nass



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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Fins vs browns
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:07:39 GMT

GAK!!!! I don't need to be jolted like that that close to midnight. It
took me another hour to calm down and go to sleep. 

All in all the fins looked pretty mediocre. The offense was pretty
damn good, but the defense (especially the corners) was pretty damn
inconsistant. Troy Vincent had better heal and heal now. The fins need
him badly. Marco Coleman was practically invisible for most of the
game and the original invisible man, Fred Banks, showed up only in the
last five minutes of the game to make two spectacular catches and help
win this battle. 

If anyone still thinks Higgs should be replaced by Humphrey I'd like
to hear your reasons why. Higgs looked damn good. Barring the one
fumble he was easily the highlight of the game for me and should catch
MVP honors.

But the sad part of the story is that the boys didn't look that much
different than the team that lost their last two games after being
ahead in the fourth quarter. I much prefer a game where the Fins are
behind at the half. They seem to lack any fire when they are ahead at
the half. 

Oh well, it's a win isn't it?

Tony (go los angeles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 21:42:48 GMT

>
>        "Using those two timeouts when they didn't need to
>         was a strategical mistake."
>

What's wrong with the word _strategical_ here?  I'm pretty sure it is a word
and it's definitely used in the corrct context (assuming it's a word, of
course.)
From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Roger Staubach's last play
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:03:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <88381@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I've heard "the last play that Roger Staubach" made referred to many times
>(both here on the net and once during the MNF game). Okay, so what exactly
>was this??  Why was it a big deal???  I wasn't into football (yeah, hard to
>believe that there are folks like this out there) back then.
>
His last pass was to an offensive lineman. (Herb Scott, I think)

Tim.
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:42:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.004138.29491@ntmtv> bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley) writes:
>From article <1992Sep10.230320.22147@coe.montana.edu>, by icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean):
>
>(lots deleted...)
>
>>>as Barry.  Sorry dude.  I know how much you don't like what I'm saying,
>>>but the truth hurts sometimes, dammit.
>>>
>>>					- Tim
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>>   =========================================================================
>>      Sean Reid                  ||  "Parties...Babes...It's a  
>>      Dept. of Computer Science  ||   rather simple life." - Wayne Campbell 
>>      Montana State University   ||  **** GO COWBOYS!!!!!!! ****           
>
>Sean -
>
>	Cool .sig file you got there, but what does this have to do with
>the subject?

Well, nothing I guess, but I had typed a little comment on the arguement, or
whatever you want to call it, but it must not have gotten entered in the 
mail buffer with the rest of this.  Sorry it took up space...

By the way, thanks for the compliment on my .sig file...

Sean



-- 
  =========================================================================
     Sean Reid                  ||  "Parties...Babes...It's a  
     Dept. of Computer Science  ||   rather simple life." - Wayne Campbell 
     Montana State University   ||  **** GO COWBOYS!!!!!!! ****
From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC, DEFENSE, I DON'T THINK SO !!!!!
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:04:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

There are a lot of ways to measure defense.
Since the rankings are done with an arbitrary method, I've found
my own... which makes more sense.

What is the single most important job of the defense ... to WIN the game!

How is this done? By keeping the opponents total yards down.... NO WAY.
YOU KEEP THE TOTAL POINTS DOWN, not yards, POINTS POINTS POINTS.
The opponent can have 1000 yards in total offense with 0 pts and they LOSE.

So, since I'm a Bills fan, and by the way I don't claim that their defense
is good,... just good enough.
Let's use them as a yardstick. Michael Meskes was kind enough to post some
data in Article 29104.

The Bills have given up 38 points in 2 games.
(Not counting N.E. and Miami who only played one game..) there are 6 AFC
teams who gave up less points, and N.E. and Miami are averaging less.
That puts between 6 to 8 teams ahead of Buffalo.

What about the NFC... what a joke ... only 3 teams are averaging less...
Tampa Bay, Philly, and New Orleans. Dallas is tied.

I realize that 2 games is a small sample, but lets watch about 6 more
and see who's doing better.

Which offense is better, who scored the most points? Buffalo, of course.
By the way who scored the most points last year? Washington, with 
Buffalo second. And these were the two teams in the Super Bowl, finishing
in that order... sounds like maybe offense can win games.

In case this doesn't sound good to you ... try this... rank the 
teams offense by points for ( from 1st to 28th ), then rank defense 
by points against. Add the two rankings then rank the teams total 
preformance by adding the two together and seeing who has the lowest  
total.
I did this and the 8 teams that are 2-0 finished in the top 9. The 9th
slot was a 1-1 team. Sounds reasonable, but I'll have to wait until 
mid-season to see how it really works.
--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
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From: johndoe@spock.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Divisional standings
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:58:43 GMT

In article <92252.154649RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET> RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET (RENE ZANDBERGEN) writes:
>The following contains just facts (if I have got them right) and no
>opinion. I leave the discussion to others (but please keep it nice)
>
>Divisional statistics for week  1
>---------------------------------
>AFC East     2-1  (1)
>AFC Central  2-2  (3t)
>AFC West     2-3  (5t)
>
>NFC East     2-3  (5t)
>NFC Central  3-2  (2)
>NFC West     2-2  (3t)

this is slightly misleading, since in-division games are going to guarantee
a win and a loss in the same column.  (this week, that would be washington-
dallas, denver-los angeles raiders, detroit-chicago, minnesota-tampa bay,
pittsburgh-houston, san diego-kansas city.)

the standings should be:

afc east	2-1 (2)
afc central	1-1 (3t)
afc west	0-1 (6)

nfc east	1-2 (5)
nfc central	1-0 (1)
nfc west	2-2 (3t)

i don't know what this difference proves, other than that there is a pretty
sparse statistical sampling for saying the nfc central is the best and the
afc east is the worst.
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Giants
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:51:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.020048.23920@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>The 49ers opened the season with a convincing 31-14 victory over the
>New York Giants in New Jersey. If this game is indicative of the way
>the 49ers are going to play this season, then they are going to the
>Super Bowl. Everything clicked.

Yes, they looked pretty damn shit hot to me! :->  As we all know,
the Niners only get better at time goes on.  It will be very
interesting to see how the Niners defense holds up against the Bills
power offense. It should be a high scoring game I would think.


>There was a strange call involving Tim Harris. After each of his three
>sacks, Harris pulled out his six-guns and shot them. Nothing was said
>the first two times, but after the third time he was slapped with a
>15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. What kind of call is that?

According to Madden, it was a "Stupid call"   If you remember
earlier in the game, one of the Giants DB's got in Rice's face and
was called for it.  Both stupid calls IMO!!  What the hell is the
NFL coming to?  Leave it to the refs and they will turn it into a
game for panzies!

                                                    Tony
                                                 GO 49ERS!!!
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From: d_white@oz.plymouth.edu (Donald A. White)
Subject: Bruce Smith question
Reply-To: d_white@oz.plymouth.edu (Donald A. White)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:57:44 GMT


Was Smith a major factor in the 49'r - Bills game?  I couldn't watch it
because of hopeless Patriot fans observing the Pats get stomped.  I
guess what I'd like to know is how all individual stars did, stats and
stuff.  If someone could post that, it'd be great.

Bills rule!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rfedkiw@olympic.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Re: AFC EAST
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 02:28:42 GMT

In Article 27820, William J. King writes ...
>In article <Btz1H1.6vE@wpi.WPI.EDU> cor@wpi.WPI.EDU (Corydon T Shimer) writes:
>>
>>While Buffalo is the most talented team in this division, hands down...
>        Well NOT on Defense.
              ^^^
>        And on Offense.....they will have trouble.
                                           ^^^^^^^
Question: trouble with what????

It's funny that you say NOT on Defense, with Smith, Bennet, Conlan , etc...
I'd say they have the most TALENT.
The questions are in health, and the like, but not in talent.

I hope you didn't just look at the Defensive rating system, see the Bills 
low, and start talking without thinking.

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: players w/ big stats: are they for real?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:49:56 GMT

In article <92254.161654MSB101@psuvm.psu.edu> <MSB101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>The following players posted big numbers for week one.  But the players in my
>FFL are skeptical about their future potential.  Can anyone in the know comment
>on whether these stats were flukes or are these players for real?
>
>1) Workman
    
    I wouldn't expect him to duplicate week 1 the rest of the year. He'll
    get his share of yards and receptions and even a few TDs though. Come
    to think of it he should do okay, at least until Thompson is healthy.

>2) Culver
>3) Watters
>4) Allen, T.
    
    I'd say definitely for real. I got him in the 6th round of my FFL draft.
    He could be the steal of the draft easy.

>5) Graham
>6) Nagle

    We got Nagle in the 11th round, another steal. I wouldn't expect too
    many 300-yard games from him, but with Moore, Toon, Carpenter to throw
    the ball to and Baxter and Thomas behind him, he should do well.

    --salty

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>MSB101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
>"You guys spend your entire lives watching and studying football"
>"So what's your point?"
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From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Where are the Chiefs fans???
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:47:22 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Where are the Chiefs fans???  I looked through the entire listing and only
found a couple of inquiries about Christian Okoye and Percy Snow.  

The Chiefs are 2-0 for the first time since 1985 and David Krieg (late of the
Seattle Seahawks) is promising at QB.  They also drafted Matt Blundin (QB) and
he played in one of the preseason games.  They seem to have what it takes to
move on in the playoffs and I'm hopeful they will end up in the Superbowl.

Today in the game against Seattle Okoye became the all-time rushing leader for
the Chiefs.  He passed Ed Pololak.

Come on Chiefs fans!!!  Let's get out there and POST!!!

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From: newson@sequent.com (Newson)
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:00:12 GMT

In article <holly.210@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
>
>I've been saying this for 3 years.  Dump Cofer.  We won't get to Superbowl 
>with him there.  Think Seifert's on the net?
>-----
>holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com

He doesn't need to be on the net to get this message, if he didn't get it 
yesterday, he won't get it. Daluiso is available isn't he?

newson
From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: TNT Announcers / Bronco Comments
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep8.014939.25644@colorado.edu>, davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu 
(David Rex Wood) writes...
>The announcers for the Bronco game last night were some of the worst I've
>ever heard.  Among the idiotic things I can remember were:
> 
>1. "John Elway is the winningest COACH in..."
> 
>2. Referee signals illegal forward pass and the announcer declares "Oh, there
>   was an illegal man down field."  Not only should he know the damn signals,
>   but he should have seen that Elway was passed the line of scrimmage anyway!
> 
>3. "Karl Mecklenburg, number 71" (For those not in the know, Meck in #77)
> 
>4. Numerous sentences which made no sense whatsoever...

	The announcers should know about football, but please don't flame them
for mistakes when you make so many yourself.

Snoopy

>David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
>  BRONCOS!!        R.S.F.P. Internet Football Pool Organizer        BRONCOS!!
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:05:53 GMT

In article <vamplew.716108281@probitas> vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) writes:
>In <x-tnrz=.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>
>>>How come the 'blown' calls affect the players paycheck?  If you are a
>>>good player, you will stay that way even if a touchdown you made is 
>>>called back because some holding took place.
>
>>Incentive clauses.  Ok, I'm a receiver whose contract reads: If I make
>>15 or more TDs in the regular season I get a 50k bonus.  Last game of
>>the year, last quarter and I've got 14 TDs.  Pass comes my way, back of
>>the endzone, I catch it and get both feet in bounds.  But wait!  The
>>offical rules that I only got one foot in bounds.  We win game but blown
>>call costs me $50,000!!
>
>I don't see this as an argument for instant reply. Consider this situation.
>I'm a receiver with the same contract, I have 14 TDs etc. Late in the last 
>game of the season I shed my cover and run wide open in the end-zone where
>the qb overthrows me by six feet. We win the game but the blown throw costs
>me $50,000!!
>
>Would you suggest that we have an Instant Rethrow rule so that I can get
>another shot at making my bonus? I hope not. 
>
Talking about asinine logic!  Your are stretching it beyond
ludicrous in YOUR comparsion.  Your's has no merit.  The other
poster's logic made more sense and has some merit.  Please, get
real.  No one is going to have a Rethrow, unless there was a
penalty!
>
>I suspect people strongly involved in football are more likely to like IR
>because it gives their team a "fair" chance, whereas casual football fans
>are more likely to be against IR because it slows the game down. In the
>end it comes down to which group of people the NFL think constitute the
>majority of the market. (Assuming of course that the NFL owners are
>rational beings and not the pig-headed idiots that they for the most part
>actually are).
>
You have missed the point by a mile.  It has nothing to do with
giving a person's "personal" favorite a better chance of winning.
It has to do with "unjust" calls that border on major stupidity!
I can accept a team winning on a Hail Mary pass or by luck. I
cannot except the outcome of a game based on the Zebra dudes
making the wrong call.

Casual fans of any sport should be lined up against a wall and
shot.  They have no business interjecting their opinions when they
don't give a hoot about a team or its standing. :-)

>Peter Vamplew - IS Fanatic :-)
>
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe