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From: coghlan@bnr.ca (Patrick Coghlan)
Subject: Re: Obtaining ISDN
Reply-To: coghlan@bnr.ca (Patrick Coghlan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.163309.8651@ee.rochester.edu>, msirota@ee.rochester.edu (Mark Sirota) writes:
(stuff deleted)

|> And if I had ISDN at home, what exactly would I have?  How robust is the
|> ISDN support from the phone companies?

You would have:

- a 64 k/bit data line which does not interfere with your use of the 
  telephone
- use of the X.25 protocol over this data line which can be used to
  set up multiple sessions simultaneously
- access to any X.25 device hooked up to the ISDN network or other public 
  packet switching networks (most ISDN switches have an X.75 trunk to 
  PPSNs)
- the ability to run data intensive protocols such as X to access
  your office workstation from home

In summary, it's fairly fast (compared to 9600 modems) and it doesn't 
tie up your telephone.  It should also be much cheaper to dial-up
over long-distance than using telephones and modems since the charges
for holding time on packet networks are much less than for voice...
I think.
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt)
Subject: Re: Information on NIUF ASI wanted.
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:28:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.154604.25640@galadriel.bt.co.uk> pjw@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Peter Willis) writes:
>Recently an article was posted to this news group that said the NIUF ASI could
>be obtained from the ftp server called:
>
>days.ncsl.nist.gov

This looks like it may have been a typo in the original message, as one
other person that I know of had trouble reaching the site.  The site
should be:

dsys.ncsl.nist.gov
 ^

by anonymous FTP, directory asi.

chris


Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Trip '92 - what does it mean?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:40:15 GMT

In <Bx50L5.9K1@fc.hp.com> jsm@fc.hp.com  (John Marvin) writes:

>I wrote:
>: I doubt U.S. West is involved. They are usually 2-4 years behind most of
>: the other RBOCs.

>Maybe I'm wrong. I was just reading an article in the August 1992 IEEE
>Communications Magazine, which talked about TRIP '92. It mentioned Denver
>as one of the cities participating. The article also mentioned that
>the Corporation for Open Systems (COS) would be publishing a TRIP '92
>Atlas, which will contain information regarding each of the open houses,
>including location and a list of the applications to be demonstrated.

>Has anyone seen this atlas? If so, could you please tell me what is
>going on in Denver?

>	John Marvin
>	jsm@fc.hp.com

The Denver open house(s) are doing a real estate application
some remote LAN bridging, and a PC/Phone application (which
I take to be a data/voice thing.

See my post from yesterday for a contact point.

Bob.

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: rodney@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Rodney Campbell)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP over ISDN: Who's done it?
Keywords: ISDN. TCP/IP.
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:05:43 GMT

dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Manning) writes:

>Since traffic is somewhat slow in this newsgroup, I thought I'd pose a question
>in an attempt to stimulate some discussion as well as give me a few pointers.

>My question, then, is this: While I'm aware of certain products that allow
>users to use the TCP/IP protocol over ISDN, who is doing it? How well does it
>work? Speed? Cost? Fun? :-)

>Any info is appreciated!

We run a number of WAN links over ISDN at the moment. We have the
following two setups:
 
Cisco Router (RS449) -> (X.21) Macrospan [2MB ISDN Termination Box] ...
  64KB ISDN ... Macrospan (X.21) -> (RS449) Cisco Router
 
Cisco Router (RS449) -> (X.21) Summit 2000 [ISDN Channel Aggregator]
(X.21) -> (X.21) Macrospan [2MB ISDN Termination Box] ...
  384KB ISDN ... Macrospan (X.21) -> (X.21) Summit 2000 [ISDN Channel
  Aggregator]-> (RS449) Cisco Router
 
Now over these links we run TCP/IP and Appletalk so yes we do run stuff
over ISDN and it does work. Very soon we hope to get Dynamic link
allocation and hopefully in the not too distant future dynamic channel
allocation to allow dynamic bandwidth selection in 64KB chunks which would
be very cool.
 
                                                                Rodney...
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Obtaining ISDN
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:22:48 GMT

In <1dualuINNmks@agate.berkeley.edu> cliff@garnet.berkeley.edu (Cliff Frost) writes:

>In article <bob1.721579065@cos>, bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>|> 
>|> Thanks to the National ISDN-1 spec, it will only get better. Initially,
>|> the major switch manufacturers were each a little different, and this
>|> slowed public acceptance. Now there is agreement from AT&T, Northern, and
>|> Siemens SC on a common interface/protocol. Next week we have TRIP '92,
>|> an inaugural 'kick-off' of NISDN-1. Note that this is *not* a demo -

>I heard a rumor (at an Interop BOF on ISDN) that not all implementations
>of National ISDN-1 are compatible yet.  The rumor was that even with NI-1
>there are still switch manufacturer differences that CPE vendors have to
>worry about.  Is this true?  If so, how serious are the differences and
>will this be fixed with NI-2?

I am not aware of any differences, but given that you have three different
groups writing the same (more or less, as switches differ) piece of
software, it would not be surprising. As the R&D arm of the RBOCs, I
imagine that Bellcore is evaluating the latest software generics from the
three major switch manufacturers.

At the moment, I'm up to my *** in alligators, trying to get test tools
evaluated so that we can offer the COS Mark for conformance tested CPE.
We also have a task force finishing off the abstract test suites for
Supplementary services in NI-1.

NI-2 so far as I am aware (I don't work for Bellcore) only adds the
PRI interface specs. So the answer to your question is that the
switches will be compatible in NI-1. We do propose to conduct, or
have the CPE vendors conduct, interoperability tests with the
network,as well as end-to-end application tests through the network.
It would be great to be able to conduct the CPE to switch tests on
our premises, but I don't know where we could put a 5ESS, DMS100, and
EWSD switch(es), let alone how to pay for them :-(.

All of this may seem like duplicated effort, but with a test tool you
can test error conditions, while an interoperability test with the
actual switch cannot (unless you know some RBOC who will diliberately
power down their exchange switch so you can test error conditions).

Hope all this helps - if there are more questions, fire away.

Bob.

>	Thanks,
>		Cliff Frost
>		UC Berkeley
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: boots@falch.no (Dag Hasvold)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP over ISDN: Who's done it?
Keywords: ISDN. TCP/IP.
Organization: Falch Hurtigtrykk as, Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:22:01 GMT

dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Manning) writes:

>Since traffic is somewhat slow in this newsgroup, I thought I'd pose a question
>in an attempt to stimulate some discussion as well as give me a few pointers.

>My question, then, is this: While I'm aware of certain products that allow
>users to use the TCP/IP protocol over ISDN, who is doing it? How well does it
>work? Speed? Cost? Fun? :-)

>Any info is appreciated!

For those who are using ISDN on MACs together with Apple Internet Router
there should be a soloution to this when Apple Internet Router version
3.0 comes out. It has IP tunneling, and you should therefor be able to 
use programs that support TCP/IP.

I don't know when AIR 3.0 will be available, but I think it is pretty 
soon.

Best Regards,


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Xref: sparky comp.dcom.isdn:821 mi.misc:749
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn,mi.misc
Subject: Re: Gaining Access
Date: 14 Nov 1992 06:49:28 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jim Rees (rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu) wrote:
 
:   and there's some folks at the U of Michigan who have it.  (UM doesn't
:   really count, they have their own switch).
: 
: That has little or nothing to do with it.  All our ISDN is provided as
: centrex off the Michigan Bell 5ESS switch.  The U doesn't provide any ISDN
: off its Northern switch, and even if it did, the signalling isn't in place
: to trunk between the two.

OK, let me put it another way.  UM doesn't count, they don't provide services
to the general population, and so the availability of ISDN via the U 
Michigan Centrex is not relevant towared any of the rest of us gaining
access.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.isdn:810 mi.misc:740
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn,mi.misc
Subject: Re: Gaining Access
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:08:28 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Peter Eisch (peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu) wrote:
: 
: Does anyone out there in Ameritech's 5 state area actually have ISDN?  If  
: so, are you in Wisconsin Bell's service?  I can't seem to find anyone who  
: knows or cares about providing services.  

I'm in Michigan, we have a Centrex, our ISDN is starting to move towards beginning
to be installed.  (To be fair it was derailed for a few months after we first got
it moving when a scheme to build a big, big Centrex fell through.)  I do know of
at least one other business here in Ann Arbor that has ISDN bought retail from
MI Bell, and there's some folks at the U of Michigan who have it.  (UM doesn't
really count, they have their own switch).

We have been dealing with Mike Chutorash of Prism Communications, +1 313 567 7010.
They're a Centrex sales agent & seem to be doing their best to navigate their way
through the twisty little passages of Bell land.  You might give him a call if you
are in Michigan, or look in your yellow pages for "authorized distributor for
NN Bell, an Ameritech Company".

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOBE
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: davec@comspec.com (Dave Carlton)
Subject: Info on Northern Telecom ISDN T1 NTBX51AA?
Organization: Comspec Communications, Inc.
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:21:57 GMT
Summary: Got one at a surplus shop, it powers up.

--
I found one of these beasties at a local surplus shop.
What i'd really like to know is, what are these 
usually used for, on what sort of line, and if possible,
could someone tell me what these connectors might be?

Grey unit, rectangular plastic box, built-in power supply.

back of case has screw-connectors labeled thus:

10 | Aux 2- 
 9 | Aux 2+
 8 | Aux 1-
 7 | Aux 1+
 6 | Rx-     ( T/S - 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 )
 5 | Rx+
 4 | Tx-
 3 | Tx+
 2 | Tip     ( CO - 1 , 2 )
 1 | Ring

There there are 2 phonejack connectors (8-pins) listed as T/S and 
and 1 phonejack connectors (6-pins) listed as CO.

When powered up, the unit shows the Leds POWER, and T/S loop active solid
which i'd say was promising. The CO Loop Sync is erratically pulsating.

8^) Hope this makes sense to someone. I'd like to mess with this, 
even if I can only connect to a friend with one for UNIX connectivity.
-- 
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|   What's the matter, you dissentious rogues, That, rubbing the poor     |
|  itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs? - SHAKESPEARE, Coriolanus |

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn,ont.general
From: ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Bell Canada ISDN Open House Nov. 17-20, 1992
Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:23:07 GMT

Many telephone companies, including Bell Canada, will be offering 
ISDN demonstrations in connection with the Transcontinental ISDN 
Project (TRIP '92) next week.

TRIP '92 will focus on three major elements - demonstrations of 
actual applications of ISDN, national interconnectivity of ISDN 
through the interexchange network, and a series of activities 
centered in the Washington area.

For information about Bell Canada's participation in TRIP, call the 
Communications Seminar at  (416) 581-2400 in Toronto, 
(613) 785-2020 in Ottawa or (514) 875-2511 in Montreal.

For more information on ISDN demonstrations in your area, 
call the Corporation for Open Systems International (COSI) at 
1-800-759-COSI voice or 703-848-4572 fax, or the ISDN manager 
at your local telephone company.

A message from Bell Canada follows:

The week of November 16-20, 1992 has been chosen as it coincides 
with the industry's most extensive event of the year - the 
Transcontinental ISDN Project 1992 (TRIP '92). TRIP '92 heralds the 
arrival of National ISDN-1, the first ISDN service based on standards 
accepted by all vendors in North America.

The week-long program includes a number of two-hour tours 
scattered throughout each day, three or four per day, starting 
Tuesday, November 17 through Friday, November 20. Each tour will 
be hosted by numerous live demonstrations of the latest ISDN 
applications. Each day, except Friday November 20, will end with a 
one-hour Video Dial-up multipoint demonstration, between 5-6 PM 
and cocktail reception, sponsored by Canadian distributors of 
videoconferencing equipment.

The program will be held simultaneously in the three Bell 
Communications Seminars located in Toronto - Bell Trinity Square, 
Ottawa - Place Bell Canada and Montreal - Place Victoria.

As this is certain to be a busy week, please confirm your attendance 
by calling the Communications Seminar, listed below, and reserve for 
this most exciting event.

 Toronto : 416-581-2400
 Ottawa: 613-785-2020
 Montreal: 514-875-2511

We look forward to seeing you there.
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
Subject: Re: PacBell ISDN?
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In comp.dcom.isdn, c164-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Brian Davila) writes:
>Yet, when I there is no mention of ISDN service in my Oakland phone
>book and when I call the number on my billing statement, I get ISD who? and
>switch fifty what? responses.  How does one go about obtaining ISDN?  Or
>does one, in my area?

Call the business number and don't take no for an answer.  They will
eventually find someone that knows what ISDN is.  Actually, the last
time I called the business number out here, the person that answerd
the phone had actually head of ISDN and knew who to send the call to.
They are slowly catching on.

For fun, I keep asking the people in the AT&T phone stores if they know
what ISDN is.  I haven't found one yet.

Curt
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: Helge.Oldach@Stollmann.DE (Helge Oldach)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP over ISDN: Who's done it?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:55:26 GMT
Organization: Stollmann GmbH, D-2000 Hamburg 50, Germany
Originator: he@sup

c0031099@ws.rz.tu-bs.de (Eckhard Diezel) writes:
| perhaps I should mention also that the 386s ran SCOs ODT.

Of course our (Stollmann's) STIX software is available not only for SCO,
but for other operating systems as well, in particular for Interactive
Unix.
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn,comp.dcom.modems
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: Hayes Press Release: Prices Reduced on ISDN Products
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:41:42 GMT

In article <6290.2af9db24@hayes.com>, tnixon@hayes.com writes:
> In article <rq6rjio@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>, vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com
> (Vernon Schryver) writes: 
> 
> > In article <6260.2aeebd64@hayes.com>, tnixon@hayes.com writes:
> >> Notice: The following Hayes press release is provided for news and 
> >> information purposes only and is not intended to be construed as a 
> >> commercial advertisement or solicitation.
> >>                                               FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >>                                                              H-2692
> >> ...
> > Why does this press release not include the <plus><plus><plus>AT
> > string of other Hayes press releases?  
> 
> Christ, Vern, you're a hard man to please!  First you bitch and moan 
> about it _being_ there, and now you complain when I take it out!
> 
> As I explained, Hayes has been placing that in the header of our 
> press releases for a long, long time.  Don't ask me why.  When there 
> was such an outcry here about it (after y'all had become 
> hypersensitized to it by the recent unpleasantness), I asked for 
> permission to edit it out of future postings.  Permission was 
> granted.
> 
> Give me a break, OK?  I _do_ try to respond to complaints, you know. 


Sorry.  I missed the note saying that the bad stuff had always been
there and would disappear in the future.

Since I have evidence that other people also missed it, I'm
cross-posting this back to comp.dcom.modems.


Thanks for the note.  It reduces some difficulties I was having
finding async ISDN TA's.  (Shoddy stuff really does affect sales.)


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: dsr@roland.com (David S. Roland)
Subject: ISDN WHO?
Organization: Roland Projects, Inc
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:41:14 GMT

I appreciate the ISDN problems.. I tried to get service to my home in
New York Tel (Upstate) and had troubles too. Moved to Rochester Tel!.

The awareness issue should resolve itself somewhat after the TRIP'92
media event during week of Nov. 16. I have a feeling that the RBOC's
sales departments will get blasted when people learn what they can do
if they had it.

About NT-1's, Rumor has it that any vendor who claims to meet National
ISDN 1 (NI1) interoperability "Ensures" plug and play. NT-1's do
have different configuration depending on multi-point vs. single.

There are a number of vendors for ISDN equipment.. Your telecom
supplier should have alternate suppliers..(AT&T, NTI, ADTRAN, Tel-RAD,
Hayes, NCR, etc....) My NT-1 ran about $250, for unit + power supply.


Hope this helps...

Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: "Bob Larribeau" <p00136@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: TCP/IP over ISDN: Who's done it?
Organization: Consultant
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:13:56 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

FROM:   David Manning <dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu>

>My question, then, is this: While I'm aware of certain products that allow
>users to use the TCP/IP protocol over ISDN, who is doing it? How well does it
>work? Speed? Cost? Fun? :-)
>
I haven't done it myself, but good friends at the Pac Bell ISDN lab in 
San Ramon described a product from Teleos in New Jersey that consists of 
a PC ISDN card on the remote end and a Teleos controller at the LAN that 
does not require support of SLIP or PPP on the LAN.  They are very 
enthusiastic about this product.

Sorry I don't have any detailed information

	Bob Larribeau
	San Francisco
From: rte@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (ralph.t.edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
Subject: Northern Telecom Q.931 spec
Keywords: Do you know of one?
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:23:23 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Does NTI publish an equivalent of AT&Ts 41449 & 41459 specs which are
parallel to the CCITT Q.931 spec, and detail which CCITT pargraphs
are supported by AT&T?  If so could you send me the NTI document title
and name and perhaps a telephone number where the document can be
ordered?

If their BRI and PRI Q.931 specs are separate, send both names.
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker)
Subject: Connect two Ethernet LAN's by ISDN ?
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:35:55 GMT

Hi,

we would like two connect two Ethernet LAN's via ISDN. Ideally, IPX/SPX (Novell)
as well as TCP/IP (Unix) packets should be routed over the same ISDN
connection. Has anybody done anything like that before ?

Which products provide that kind of connection ? I would really like the
idea of a box with two connections, one ISDN, the other one thin ethernet.
Does anything like this exist ???


Thanks for any info, Ernst.
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
From: huntting@advtech.uswest.com (Brad Huntting)
Subject: Re: Hayes Press Release: Prices Reduced on ISDN Products
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:38:42 GMT

In article <Bwvz77.DGs@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gardner@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Gardner) writes:
>WHEN will Hayes and all the other ISDN hardware vendors start thinking
>about how ISDN really needs to be used.  The current trend of pc to pc
>isdn products bucks the trend of large Internetworks.  ISDN will primarily
>be available in large metropolitan areas - areas which will tend to have
>many large networks.  People need to dial into networks, not PC's.  To
>dial into networks, you need protocols.  Bridging isn't an adequate
>protocol for many applications.  Neither is netbios.  If you expect ISDN
>to compete with modems, you'll have to shove the price down considerably.
>If you expect ISDN to compete with Internetworking, you'll have to find
>better ways to connect to more standard, manageable protocols and a 
>"23 BRI on PRI routed interface".    Right now, ISDN is a level 2 solution
>at a level 4 price.

I would consider buying a couple of these if for no other reason than to
get better performance out of my SLIP line.

>[p.s.  I'm not yelling at Tony, just at every Marketing droid that sees
>the world as a bunch of modem-connected PC's running windows.]

What do you want to connect to anyway?  If you want to connect to the
Internet, then fine, use a point-to-point connection to your nearest
ISDN captable Internet provider (Colorado SuperNet should have ISDN
modems online soon).  If you want to connect to the mythical X.25/X.75
global network, I have to ask "why?"...  Is there anything there you
cant get cheaper off the Internet?

I think ISDN is destined to be a slightly more flexable 56Kb
point-to-point replacement for modems.  What really sucks is that none
of these (that I know of) will do the standard modem protocols
(V.32bis, V.32, V.22, etc).  It's hard to believing that you cant get a
DSP to decode these protocols from an ISDN stream.  Then again...  What
do I know...


brad