From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:10:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.130723.7824@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>In article 21466@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>
>>Let's put this all to rest. FSU will _NEVER_ win the MNC as long as Bowden
>>is at the helm. It doesn't make a rat's ass worth of difference if we play
>>Miami or not. Bowden does not have what it takes to win the "big one" and
>>that is all there is to it. So, all you FSU people...SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
>>And to everyone else who bitches about Miami, TAMU, Bama, ND.... you too
>>should SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! No amount of arguing will settle the issue, so why
>>bother wasting so much band width with all this petty bickering. It's either
>>going to be Bama or Miami as the MNC, live with it!
>>
>>Kevin (both a Miami and FSU fan btw)
>>
>
>
>Hey Kevin,
>
>Are you blind as well as STUPID???  Bowden wins ALL the "big ones" except for
>Miami!  Wouldn't you call last year's #1 FSU at #3 Michigan a 'big one'?  
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think FSU squeaked that one out.  How about
>the famous Clemson game with the "punt-rooskie"?  Another big W I think.  And
>FSU's Bowl record under Bowden speaks for his ability to win the 'big ones'.
>If you want to hold the record with Miami against Bowden, then name other 
>coaches who have done significantly better against Miami lately!  C'mon Kevin,
>put down some cold hard facts as to why Bowden can't win the "big one"!  I've
>shown evidence that he can and does!
>
>David (I'll never shut up about FSU) Head

Ok, I'll bite. Bowden does _not_ win "ALL the 'big ones'" as you would have
us believe. You bring up Clemson in '88...let me remind you of the first game
of that year...vs. (guess who) Miami. I think it was 35-0 wasn't it? The game
last year against Michigan wasn't as big a deal as you make it out to be. It
was early on in the season, and it was possible for FSU to have made a rebound
after that game. The loss to Miami (and subsequent loss to UF) were at the
end of the season and gave _NO_ chance for FSU to come back in to the MNC
hunt. And, while we are bringing up Clemson, need I remind you of the 1989
game? After losing the first game of the season to Southern Miss. (who?), Mr.
Saint blew it big against Clemsom. FSU went on to beat Miami that year, but
it didn't matter...Bowden had already shot is "choke" wad early on in the
season and Miami was still able to win the MNC. Now, a coach with a better
showing against Miami than Bowden...how about Lou Holtz. Granted, ND no 
longer plays Miami, but at least Holtz could pull it out against Miami when
it actually mattered. Bobby's bowl record. Irrelivant I say. In the last
ten years (when he has gone to ten bowls w/o a loss) not a single one of those
games would have given FSU the MNC if FSU won it. When Bobby actually went to
a bowl game that actually _might_ have given FSU the MNC, guess what happened,
he blew it (OB in '79/'80...not sure of exact dates...don't have stats w/me).
So, there are the facts...Bobby hasn't, can't, and won't win the MNC....
EVER. Get used to it Dave. Fortunately, the good Saint is getting on in years
so we probably won't have to suffer through too many more losses to Miami (and
thus no MNC...again) for much longer.

Kevin (I'll never shut up about Bowden [unless he actually manages to win
the whole shabang...yeah, right]) Delgado

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