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From: etkovacs@UNITY.NCSU.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Software on Unix.
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:02:07 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hallo -

NJSTAR ist fuer MSDOS und ist im wuarchive.wustl.edu /mirrors/editors,
ich denke ( meine?). Es gibt auch in(m?) Europa, weiss nicht wo.

Please excuse the lousy Deutsch.
evatc
etkovacs@unity.ncsu.edu
From: claude@TRC.MEW.MEI.CO.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Only ethnicity? (Was racism in Japan)
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:45:30 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hi Gary!

brown> From my point of view, Japanese consider Americans of Japanese decent
brown> to be Japanese residing abroad.  Doesn't this relate to the concept of
brown> ethnocentrism, where "Japanese" as an ethnicity is a stronger trait from
brown> the Japanese persepctive than one's citizenship or home country.

IMHO, I think many people of japanese descent will consider themselves as
"Japanese", but the people in Japan will not consider it that way.
I know a lot of cases about it. As I'm an italian-brazilian, I know a
lot of people with japanese descent in Japan and they receive a very
"strange" treatment. Sometimes they are treated as completely "foreigners"
and only a few times like "japanese". I know even some cases where the
person has double citizenship and the japanese don't consider them japanese!
I know other cases where first-generation japaneses after some time came
back to Japan and were considered as a completely foreigner!!

We cannot forget about the question of "KIKOKUSHIJO" (Children of returned
expatriates) who are treated sometimes very bad. There are cases of
children of mixed descent who are treated as "IJIMEKO" in the school...

IMHO, much more the ethnicity, the japanese take care about if that person
"share same values or have same way of thinking or look like a japanese
or act as a 'japanese'". There are a lot of requirements, not only
ethnicity...

Ciao,


--
Claude Huss
Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd. Tokyo Research Labs.
Phone: +81-3-3452-4941	FAX: +81-3-3451-0793  Home:(044) 549-4913
Mita 5-13-2, Minato-Ku, Tokyo 108, JAPAN
DISCLAIMER:"I'm not singing, dancing, joking or even working for my employer"
From: harry@ISSUN1.KFK.DE
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: new kana learning software, looking for testers
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:45:24 GMT
Distribution: fj

Yesterday I finished the first version of a program which is made to help
you learning the kana. It prints out pages, where in the first line the
romaji of the kanas are written, then in the next line there is some place
to fill in the kana and in the next line, the kana is written. The kanas are
mixed by a random generator, so it doesnn't helps if you can memorize & write
them in the usual a i u e o ka ki ku ... order. The compound kanas for
sha, shi,shu, rya,rya,ryu... etc are also included.

The program is written in PostScript, all you have to do is to set some
 parameters and send it to a PostScript printer. You can choose between
Katakana and Hiragana and define, which subset of them do you want to have
and which area of the page should be filled.

It is the first version of the program and I am know looking for people, who
would like to test it. They should have a little bit experience in PostScript,
at the moment, the documentation is poor.

The compressed and uuencoded file has ~20kBytes.

Any interest?

    Harald Kucharek ($B>.?M(J), Nuclear Research Center Karlsruhe, IDT
		7514 Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen, Germany
         Internet: harry@issun1.kfk.de Phone: +49 7247 825706
From: AWILLIAMS@VAX2.LUTON.AC.UK
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:08:16 GMT
Distribution: fj

Patrick asks:

>Can you send me the ISBN or equivalent from those two dictionaries,
>the Kenkyusha Furigana E->J and the Spahn-Hadamitsky J->E?  I'm
>currently using a Vaccari E->J I bought 20 years ago when in the Navy,
>and I've never been satisfied with it, but Kinokuniya in San Francisco
>hasn't had anything better.  All their E->J are for Japanese, with all
>the explanations and examples in Japanese, and no furigana.  Maybe I
>can get them to order for me, if the price is "reasonable" :-(.
>Thanks.

Sure Patrick -

The ISBN is        4767411726
The title is       Kenku-Sha's Furigana English-Japanese Dictionar
The Publisher is   Kenkyu-Sha, Japan
Publication date   Apr 91
Price (in UK)      25 pounds (usually the price in $ is the same (most unfair))
Availability       in print

Source of info'    Whittaker's Bookbank

- Andi Williams
From: sielmann@DKRZ-HAMBURG.DBP.DE
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: kanji-software
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:26:14 GMT
Distribution: fj

David wrote:

>Just happened to see your email to Hartwig and I would like to obtain the file
>kanjips.tar.Z , unfortunately this site does not have ftp capability so I would
>very much appreciate it if you could possibly send me an address of someone who
>could email the file to me in sections.
>(or whatever is most convenient)

Hello David,
Well, it's really unfortunate that your site doesn't have ftp capabilities.
The kanjips.tar.Z file is a compressed file with a size of 450 kByte.
After decompression and dearching dozends of files with a total size of
more than 1 MByte are created, so that I think that it is not practical
for anybody to send these files via email.
The second difficulty is that email cannot transfer binary data, which
area also included in this software-package. I'm sorry to say that !!

The only practical way to obtain kanjips is to find somebody who  can
copy all these files on a magnetic device (floppy disks, streamer.., etc.)
and send it to you via traditional mail.
Or maybe there is an ftp-site near you.

If anybody else has a better idea to help you ...?

Frank Sielmann
Meteorological Institute
University of Hamburg
Bundesstrasse 55
2000 Hamburg 13
Germany

Bye
From: sdwyer@AGSM.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: @^D(HDESQview/X
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:48:38 GMT
Distribution: fj

> You are saying about Claude Ciari. In fact he changed his name! I
know
> it because his name is just the same as mine (Claude) and he is using
> Kanji to represent it! Another case, it's the brazilian soccer player
> Ramos who changed his name to RA-MO-SU in kanji style.
> It's necessary to have a "Japanese style" name not a japanese name.

Yes, I should have acknowledged this point.  You have to be able to
write the name.  Claude Ciari's Japanese wife does use a kanji, but I
don't think he uses it.  The U.S. also requires many foreign immigrants
to change their name if required in the romanization process.

> I think there is prejudice anywhere in the world. The PROBLEM is what
> kind of rights do you have? If you are refused to work, to rent a house,
> etc. etc. only because you are a foreigner and you cannot do
> anything,
> I think this is a serious problem...
The problem is not when you are a foreigner, for all countries put
restrictions on foreigners.  The real problem is when you are born in a
country with second class rights.

> I think prejudice was not so open
> until recent years, but now I think it's becoming very very open!! I
> tried to sue some real state agent because he said terrible things about
> me (because I was a foreigner), and a friend of mine said there is no
> laws about prejudice in Japan... Have you heard about that case where
> korean-japanese were refused at some workplaces only because they were
> foreigners?
>

No specific claims.  However, there is a very efficient infrastucture in
Japan for finding out whether someone is buraku or "newly" arrived.
From my understanding, -- and this information may be old -- employers
(especially big companies) know your family background before making any
decision.  You tell me if you think this information is used.

Steve
From: thalawyn@RM105SERVE.SAS.UPENN.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: update
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:41:54 GMT
Distribution: fj


  Mina-san;
   Recently we have been undergoing a merge with another Nihongo listserver
and I have been adding all the names from that list to ours.  Some of you,
like Hideyuki Morimoto, are on both lists and as I missed this I added some of
you again.  This is why some of you may be getting the mail twice.  Please
email if this happens to you.  We have a huge list of members and often it is
easy to miss a name that is already on it.
   And once again let me remind you how to add a name to the list.
   Send a file to listserv@mitvma.mit.edu containing only the following:
SUB NIHONGO (your address) (your name)
   Do not use parentheses as I did above and be sure the SUB NIHONGO is in
capitals.  To remove yourself from the list the commands are the same except
type SIGNOFF instead of SUB.
  Thalawyn
From: brown@VDRL.SRC.MEI.CO.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:22:53 GMT
Distribution: fj

Dear NIHONGO-LISTers,

   Mr. Williams wrote:
   >>Patrick asks:
   >>
   >>>Can you send me the ISBN or equivalent from those two dictionaries,
   >>>the Kenkyusha Furigana E->J and the Spahn-Hadamitsky J->E?  I'm
   >>>currently using a Vaccari E->J I bought 20 years ago when in the Navy,
   >>>and I've never been satisfied with it, but Kinokuniya in San Francisco
   >>>hasn't had anything better.

   >>Sure Patrick -
   >>
   >>The ISBN is        4767411726
   >>The title is       Kenku-Sha's Furigana English-Japanese Dictionary
   >>The Publisher is   Kenkyu-Sha, Japan
   >>Publication date   Apr 91
   >>Price (in UK)  25 pounds (usually the price in $ is the same most unfair))
   >>Availability       in print
   >>
   >>Source of info'    Whittaker's Bookbank
   >>
   >>- Andi Williams

This is the first time I'm posting to this list, so I'll try to
make this message useful.

"Kenkyusha's Furigana English-Japanese Dictionary" costs 2000yen and
can probably be ordered direct from the publisher.  Inside the book
the address is given:
	KENKYUSHA LIMITED
	11-3, FUJIMI 2-CHOME
	CHIYODA-KU, TOKYO
	102  JAPAN
It's usually available in the S.F. Kinokuniya Bookstore.  That's where
I bought my copy last year!

"KANJI & KANA", written by Wolfgang Hadamitzky and Mark Spahn is a Kanji
guide with the 1945 official Jouyou Kanji.  It's a good guide, especially
convenient when you want to know the meaning of a kanji (and stroke order,
and some words using it) quickly.  It costs about US$20.00 and is published
by Charles E. Tuttle Co. ~~~~~~~
	CHARLES E. TUTTLE CO., INC., EDITORIAL OFFICE
	SUIDO 1-CHOME, 2-6
	BUNKYO-KU, TOKYO
	102 JAPAN
(This book is also at Kinokuniya, though I got it at Berkeley's CODY'S BOOKS)

I hope that info helps for whomever needed it!


 Gary

----------
Gary Brown    MATSUSHITA ELECTRIC INDUSTRIAL CO., LTD.
              SEMICONDUCTOR RESEARCH CENTER, VLSI DEVICES RESEARCH LAB
              3-15 YAGUMO-NAKAMACHI, MORIGUCHI OSAKA, 570  JAPAN
Email: brown@vdrl.src.mei.co.jp,  Tel: (06)906-4907,  Fax: (06)906-3851
From: FWG@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re:  PC Software for Teaching Japanese
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:35:41 GMT
Distribution: fj

Please unsubscribe me from the list!
<FWG@NIHCU.BITNET> (I have requested this 4 times with no success)
From: REINECKE%UKANVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Japanese emphasis MBA info sought (plus a dic. reference)
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:23:52 GMT
Distribution: fj

Peter,
  I cannot recommend it from experience, but there is one school outside
of the ones mentioned - Thunderbird.  Actually, I think that there is
a longer name, but many people know it by this name.  When I was looking
at schools years ago this one came to my attention because the focus of
the whole school is international business.  I have also heard that the
alumni of it are a real tight group, although that's probably true of a
lot of Grad. Bus. Schools.  The only negative point I remember is that it
was not accredited, which I think means you would have trouble if you ever
wanted to go on for a Ph.D. because other schools would not recognize your
M.B.A. from there.

Charles Reinecke
reinecke@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu

PS. I think it is located in Phoenix, Arizona.
From: db6j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Software
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:18:14 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hi!  In one of your posts, you mentioned a magazine called "Magazin"

> and HanziTalk(Chinese) are also removed from Apple's Developer CD.  I've read
> about it from Mangazin, which is a magazine for the Americans interested in
> Japanese language and comics.

Can you tell me where I can obtain a subscription to this?!
Is this possible?
The magazine is in English, right?
Thanks,
Douglas Brashear
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: sdwyer@AGSM.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: (none)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:16:44 GMT
Distribution: fj

>
> Victor--I hate to have to tell you this, and this is just my opinion,
> but I think the Japanese are very racist. You need but look at the
> history of the "Greater East Asian Coprosperity Sphere" to find this
> out. In fact, you might want to read John Dower's book "War Without
> Mercy" to get an idea of what the Japanese in the 1930s meant about the

You say "the" (the implication sounds like "all") Japanese "are" (i.e.,
present tense) racist, and back up your testimony with evidence from the
1930s and citizenship requirements that are at least 10 years out of
date.

In fact, there are some prejudices the Japanese have.  However, Japan
never had a KKK.  The Japanese people would never treat Korean athletes
the way the Koreans treated the Japanese athletes in the opening
ceremonies of the Olympic Games four years ago.  Although the Japanese
do tend to over-generalize when it comes to ethniticity and national
identity, these days it is more from a respect for the differences and
sometimes a preference to uchi over soto, and it is not from any
malevolence you see in the racism in most countries.

Steve Dwyer
From: brown@VDRL.SRC.MEI.CO.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Misunderstanding?  (Re+ Eng->Jap Dictionary)
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:28:05 GMT
Distribution: fj

Peter,

From your message I'm assuming you were looking for a Kanji and Kana guide:

   >>From: Peter McColgan <P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR>:
   >>
   >>In response to Gary Brown's posting, the Hadamitzky and Spahn
   >>dictionary I had in mind is not the "KANJI & KANA" guide, but
   >>a full blown Japanese->English dictionary.
   >>
   >>regards from somewhat overcast Paris
   >>
   >>Peter

The Hadamitzky and Spahn book, "Kanji & Kana" is NOT (and I repeat NOT)
a Japanese-English Dictionary (called a 'waejiten').  J-E Dictionaries
usually have hiragana entries with definitions that include the word
in kanji (if it's usually written in kanji), and the English definition
and other similar phrases in Japanese.

The book "Kanji and Kana" is a kanji dictionary, a sort of handbook, with
only kanji and their crude definitions (and some examples of words using them).
It's not really supposed to be used as a dictionary, especially because
looking up a word like "jiyuuminshutou" (Japan's LDP) would take forever.

I hope I've clarified what I consider to be the differences between the
purpose of a kanji dictionary and that of an ewajiten.  (Another superb
kanji dictionary, or handbook, is Nelson's "Japanese Character Dictionary",
2nd Ed. I think)

Regards from a hot and sultry Osaka!

	Gary
From: sielmann@DKRZ-HAMBURG.DBP.DE
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: kanji-software
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:39:26 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hello Hartwig,

You can find an kanji-editor at ftp-site utsun.u-tokyo.ac.jp (133.11.11.11)
in the directory fj/moke .
You'll find there packed files beginning with mk* which you have to tranfer
in the binary mode to your site.
This editor is able to read jis-coded sjis-coded and EUC-coded japanese
files. Usually the files in the newsgroups are jis-coded.
Please refer to the included manual for details !

The same directory contains a file kanjips.tar.Z .
This is a program packet enabling to print japanese file in the jis-code
on a postscript-printer.

This packet only runs on Unix-maschines.

The moke packet runs on MSDOS-maschines, but just contains a NEC-P6-24
printer driver. This driver is invoked with "jprint" as you will see.

If you have any more questions concerning the installation please
don't hesitate to send an e-mail to sielmann@dkrz-hamburg.dbp.de .

Good luck !

Frank
From: stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: kanji of the day #23
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:51:15 GMT
Distribution: fj


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(Numbers indicate order and beginning of strokes)

JIS      = 3895 (serial number)
shiftJIS = 95C7 (hexcode)
NELSON   = 1148
MIYAMOTO = 16-28
KUNZE    =

 OnYomi: HEKI
Kunyomi: kabe - wall

Mnemonics:  "Wall of a prison"
             A prisoner is tatooed and enclosed begind a WALL.

Derivation:

          person above an enclosure (prisoner)
          v
                          **
      ************        **
      **        **  **************
      **        **    **      **   < tatoo (of prisoner)
      ************      **  **
      **            **************
    **************        **
    **  **      **  **************  < needle (for tatooing)
  ****  **      **        **
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enclosure^
                **
      ************************    < "place" (someone standing on the
                **                           ground).
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Compounds:

HEKIga  -  wall painting, fresko
ganPEKI -  pier

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In the book "Yume no kabe" by Katou Yukiko: (p. 18)

Zutto mae wa, <KABE> wa motto takaku motto nagakatta ni chigainai.

-- the Great Chinese Wall?

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Kurt Stueber, Max-Planck-Institut fuer Zuechtungsforschung
              Carl-von-Linne-Weg 10, D-5000 Koeln 30
e-mail: stueber@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Tel:  +49-221-5062537
Fax:  +49-221-5062513

This is Nr. 0023
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From: AENIX%UMSVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: reply
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:39:46 GMT
Distribution: fj

Sorry, I have no information for you.
From: rjh1@FORTH.STIRLING.AC.UK
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Mac Powerbooks/Japanese systems
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:20:13 GMT
Distribution: fj

system 7.0.1 runs on the powerbook 140 fine, I haven't tried it with
the 100 but can't see why it won't run.... (sys 7 with GOmtalk of
course...)


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From: anil@CS.TITECH.AC.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: (none)
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:19:34 GMT
Distribution: fj

Sue writes:
>I beg to differ. I lived in Japan for 26 years, and I saw a great
deal of ugly stuff.
---
I was born in India and grew up in London. I am now happily settled
in Japan with my wife and son.
The "ugly stuff" that I was able to take part in thru no free will of my
own in London led m eto move away to a safer haven in Tokyo.
The Japanese may have preferences to theri own kind, but I have yet to get
into a physical fight over it (after 7 years of living in Tokyo).
I do not have to look over my shoulder when I walk down the street late at night
as I used to do in the East end of London. So the "ugly stuff" that Sue
refers to isb y no means comparable to the "ugly stuff" Britain seems
to have. Note that Britain is also an Island!
If Sue would like concrete examples of the "ugly stuff" that I was
made to participate in, in London I will provide it.

Anil