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From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Libertarian Platform
Date: 23 Jul 1992 21:59:22 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

In article <rdippold.711922721@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
|> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
|> >T. Archer writes:
|> >|> Sure.  But if my children are in a situation where they are getting access 
|> >|> to alcohol or drugs before they are able to be responsable, then I am not 
|> >|> supervising them closely enough, and it is MY fault.  I maintain that it is 
|> >|> a parent's responsability to raise children, not the state's.
|> 
|> >Have you raised children to the age of responsibility?  The only way to
|> >"supervise them closely enough" is to be a jailor, not a parent.  Not
|> >on my watch.
|> 
|> So now you'd like to force everybody else to by a jailor for you.  No
|> thanks.  Supervision doesn't have to mean hovering over them constantly.

No.  Just lock up the low-life that is selling/giving drugs and alcohol to
children.  We just found a basic difference in philosophy. I'll never
make a Libertarian.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: when in trouble, when in doubt . . .
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:13:51 GMT

In article <MATT.92Jul24113937@physics16.berkeley.edu>,
matt@physics16.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:

|>In article <BrwKoA.KwL@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter
|>Nelson) writes:
|>
|>>    I'm not suggesting that the Iraqis are blameless, or that
|>they're
|>>    not being especially provocative just now, but from the
|>Republican's
|>>    perspective wouldn't this be a really good time to have a war?  
|>|>
|>It's a fascinating question, isn't it: Is there any such thing as a
|>political maneuver which is so blatent and transparent that American
|>voters see through it?
|>
|>Perhaps we will now get a chance to find out.

Well not for a while at least.

Saddam has `caved in'. Bush has been chundering on about how he has been
humiliated etc etc, this raises two points:

1) Humiliation of Iraq was not in the UN resolution

2) Saddam is hardly humiliated, everybody knows that he has had ample
time to load up all the incriminating stuff onto a truck and take it off
to it's next hiding place, leaving the UN team with reports of rainfall
estimates etc.

So Bush says that there are many more inspections left, wouldn't happen
to be before November perchance?

Phill
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: bu525@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Schmidt)
Subject: Full text of bills
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:18:28 GMT


Does anyone know of an FTP site containing the full text of
bills currently before Congress?

Thanx in advance
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Farewell Perot
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:31:30 GMT

In article <22JUL92.15386207.0024@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> TCWS000 <TCWS@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> writes:
>In article <BrM35E.G2p@news.udel.edu> bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams) writes:
>>
>>This reminds me of when recently Bush vetoed a bill that would have
>>automatically registered people to vote when they got their driver's license
>>renewed.  I heard that one of the complaints was that this would put the
>>republicans at a disadvantage... haha, is that funny or what...
>>
>

Well, I had to add a little accuracy into usenet (where it has no place !)
but the so-called 'Motor Voter' bill would not automatically register you
when you got your drivers license. I would have vetoed a bill that did that;
for one thing,no one should be coerced in any way to be registered to vote,
and for another, you dont have to be a citizen, or 18, to drive.

The bill owuld have required states to make it possible for people to register
when they got their licenses, or renewed their plates, etc. Im still not sure
whether i support this bill. The repub excuse of encouraging voter fraud is,
of course, ridiculous--Im all in favor of states registering people at the
DMV. What I oppose is the feds telling the states they HAVE to do it.

-Rob


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.poltics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: It's All Bush's Fault??? (Was: BUSH)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Jul22.142048.371@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Jul22.162224.9243@cs.tulane.edu> <nkbtsrk@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:29:54 GMT

<In article <nkbtsrk@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@eno.corp.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
   ---
<hernande@cs.tulane.edu (Oliver Hernandez) writes:
<|In article <1992Jul22.142048.371@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell) writes:
<|>Please, Elan - how has Bush even started us on this road to greatness?  Do you
<|>call the growing AIDS crisis, the LA riots, the deepening economic problems
<|>GREAT?
<|     Now exactly HOW are you blaming Bush for the AIDS crisis, 

<	   Not doing anything about it,

	Huh? The funding for AIDS research increases every year,
	now exceeding research on ALL cancers...and that's 
	"not doing anything about it"?

<|the LA riots,

<	   not doing anything about it, 
<   |and the "deepening" (?) economic problems?
<	   and not doing anything about it.

	Little Johnny One note, aren't we?
	Cj, I almost suspect you don't really want to debate...

<   George Bush-- the man who'll do anything to get 
<   the presidency, and nothing once he's got it.

	There are worse things; Nixon DID do things once
	he got it.

<   But there's something YOU can do, yes YOU, Oliver Hernandez.
<   You can send your followups somewhere OTHER than talk.bizarre.
<   Be a hero-- serve your country-- edit the newsgroups line.

	And thank YOU, Cj, for your wonderful followup.

<cj@eno.corp.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
<"The absence of any corrective action year after year can only be explained 
<by bureaucratic rigidities and the abject worship of that bitch-goddess, 
<cost reduction."  --Ralph Nader, in Unsafe at Any Speed

	"I don't have to reveal how much the Trial Lawyers
	 Association gives to me" --Ralph Nader
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: veal@utkvm1.utk.edu (David L. Veal)
Subject: Re: Bush/Baker Ticket??
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:31:53 GMT

In article <adams.711833042@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:

>jbutterf@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Butterfield) writes:


>>There's a rumor going around here that Baker's first task to help
>>out the Bush campaign is to kick Quayle out, and that Baker plans
>>on running for VP.

>Such a move would give the Democrats even more ammunition.  

>First, they'll point to all of the statements Bush has made that Quayle is 
>on for the long haul.  "He lied on that, he lied about taxes, what else is 
>he lying about?"

     Bush won't kick Quayle out.  Now Quayle *might* "step down" for the 
good of the party...


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Marrou for president
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:02:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.001219.14032@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
>Why should we vote for the "lesser of 2 evils"?

Because I don't want Clinton appointing people to the Supreme Court.
Sorry libertarians...

-- 
My opinions are my own.
From: mark@cs.hw.ac.uk (Mark Riordan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Separation vs. integration (Was Re: The European Community Blackmailed by Greece)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:50:25 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Jul26.140946.8520@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.180903.9800@news.nd.edu>,
>ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>
>|>So, it was OK to screw Ireland too? 
>
>Nope, but it is wrong to portray the treatment of Ireland as being
>drasticaly different from that of the mainland.

Well I am not sure about this, Robert Kee in his trilogy
of books on Irish history gives several quotes of travellers
in Ireland saying that the state of the people and the poverty
of their lives compared unfavourably with the worst conditions
anywhere in the world. He concludes along the lines that the
conditions of living for most Irish people were not only worse
than the mainland (??) but most of the rest of the then known
world.

Regarding probably the most emotive aspect of Irish history the
famines of the last century. These occured in other parts of the UK
also, but there help was often given. 

Even at the time of the first world war the Irish people were
further looked down upon as they could not be commissioned 
officers in the forces. No such restriction was placed on
loyalists.

I can't quite see the white horse at that early FA cup final
shying at the sound of British Soldiers opening fire on the
crowd in the stands and the players as happened in Dublin
not many years before that.

I have no wish to rub peoples noses in all of 
this but your revisionism requires comment.

>Phill Hallam-Baker

MARK
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.censorship
From: veal@utkvm1.utk.edu (David L. Veal)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:14:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education

In article <1992Jul20.195741.27981@bnr.ca> snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello) writes:

>Just out of curiosity...

>Could my fellow 'netters' answer these two questions (please post)

>1) how old are you ?

     20.

>2) could your history survive the media scrutiny required to be
>   elected president ?

     *My* history could, but the media would have a field day with my 
family.
 
     I'd never get elected to anything national.  When you put me in front 
of a camera I look like a vampire.  Skin goes completely white.  Awful.

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From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Recession
Date: 22 Jul 1992 22:06:33 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

Yesterday, in a televised speech, Bush said 

	"We have been in a long, slow recession ..."

Is this the recession he discovered during the New Hampshire primary?

Bush may be too busy tracking his own pulse to track the pulse of the
nation.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: CLinton Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:02:36 GMT

<In article <1992Jul22.145318.424@cos.com> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:

<   It is interesting to note the level of cynicism abroad. Groucho
<   Marx is supposed to have said that we feel contempt for anyone
<   who is willing to put up with the gauntlet we run them through
<   to get elected. Anyway, just a couple of points:

<   1. I smoke and remember very clearly my first puff - my lungs
<   and throat said 'No way' and I simply couldn't get it down. I
<   did on the second try and passed out cold. As they say, its
<   an acquired taste :-(.

	So?

<   2. If we ever get a President who hasn't 'fooled around' it
<   will be a frosty day in July - what does that have to do with
<   the ability to govern?

	Uh, are you asserting that each and every President
	has violated his wedding vows? Do you have any
	shred of evidence for this?

<   3. If Governor Clinton has done such a lousy job in Arkansas,
<   how come they re-elected him 4 or 5 times?

	Because Arkansas is essentially a one-party state.
	The governors election is really decided in the
	Democratic primary. Patronage and other perks
	make it virtually impossible in Arkansas (and
	too many other states) to dislodge a sitting
	governor running for re-election.

<   4. Family values - Quayle makes me laugh. Which party allowed
<   salaries to drop so far behind inflation that both parents
<   have to work, or lose everything they tried to build. 

	The party of James Earl Carter. If you really believe
	that the 2% to 4% inflation rate of the last few
	years is responsible for the high cost of living,
	think again.

	The real reason for two-wage earner families
	is the huge TAX load that we all pay; is that
	exclusively the fault of George Bush, or does
	the Democratic-party controlled Congress have
	just a little bit to do with it?

<Can you
<   say GOP? 

	Can you say 40 years of Democrat-party House?
	Do you know which branch of government 
	has control of the purse strings?

<With no one at home, we have a generation raised by
<   TV and the malls.

	The baby boomers were raised by TV as well....
	perhaps that explains current politics?

<   5. At least Clinton has a 'vision', while Bush doesn't under-
<   stand 'this vision thing', in fact according to interviews in
<   this past weekends Post, even his friends admit that thinking
<   is not his strong suit.
	
	I see; so we should just administer IQ tests to
	all the candidates & declare the "smartest" one
	the winner?

<   6. All this moaning about taxes - you would be better off if
<   you worried about your Constitutional rights, the few we have
<   left.

	I reckon you must not have much of a job, or else
	you would be moaning about the 40% of your
	gross pay which vaporizes into taxes as well.

	And plenty of us worry about our Constitutional
	rights, pal, even before you told us what to 
	do with our lives. 

	Is Clinton going to shut down the War on Drugs?

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: Against Our Will
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:26:43 GMT

In article <11400@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>3. I have discovered, based on gay-positive textbooks and articles, 
>that homosexuals are disproportionately involved in child molestation.

Citations please, both of incidence of sexual abuse by heterosexuals and by
homosexuals.

Refereed journals preferred.

marshall
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: Interesting Revelation (WAS Re: Libertarian Platform)
In-reply-to: cramer@optilink.UUCP's message of 29 Jul 92 17:28:55 GMT
Organization: pubs
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:37:49 CDT

Hot Young Star writes:

   > I wonder how many people know that Abraham Lincoln, widely considered
   > to be the liberator of the black race, was actually a segregationist
   > who once proposed sending back all of the liberated slaves to Africa?

This is part of a half-baked interpretation of Lincoln that has
unfortunately gained currency (though Hot Young Star may not subscribe
to this interpretation).  People should read the history of the prewar
period--the country was wracked by the slavery issue and was looking for
solutions.  The idea of sending blacks back to Africa was, at the time,
motivated by a humanitarian impulse, and was meant to be helpful.  Don't
confuse it with the way "send 'em back to Africa" sounds today.  Lincoln
sometimes allowed that blacks might be "inferior" but this was in the
context of debates in which he was trying to say "but that sure doesn't
justify slavery".

And, by the way, he's not just "widely considered" the liberator of
blacks, he *was* the liberator.  Certain commentators seem to believe he
should have done more for blacks than liberate them from slavery.  I've
heard people say that he issued the Emanc. Proc. for political rather
than moral reasons, or that he didn't originally intend to end slavery.
Again, this was in the political context: at the outset, he wanted to
hold the country together and was willing to merely *contain* slavery
and deal with getting rid of it later; but he was always an
abolitionist, which is clear from his writings.

I also object to the argument that the job wasn't completed (which, in
any case, Lincoln was prevented from doing by being murdered).  I'd
rather be the lowliest sharecropper, c. 1890, than a slave: no one is
going to sell my children, no one is going to flog me, and I can start
walking west to see if I can improve my lot.  (I may not succeed, but I
won't be considered "contraband" if someone sees me walking along.)
Sorry for my irritated tone, but I think the carping about Lincoln is
one of the lamest current attitudes.

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: bills@sequent.com (Bill Sears)
Subject: Re: Endorsement of Bush
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:21:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.185801.19145@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey) writes:
>FWIW:  USA Today reports that Luther Campbell of  2 Live Crew is
>endorsing Bush.

This shouldn't come as any big surprise.  George Bush et al have been
the biggest reason that 2 Live Crew has sold any records at all.  Without
them, people would blow 2 Live Crew off as a bunch of garbage rockers.
But the right wing has said that their music is offensive and should be
censored.  BING!!!!!  Sales go right through the roof.  Thank you very
much George.  Your remarks just sold 5 million more copies.
--------
Bill Sears            Sequent Computer Systems            bills@sequent.com

While a transcendant vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful
to ensure that the calculated objective of the communication does not become
ensconsed in obscurity.  Stated simply, it is invariably preferable to 
eschew obfuscation.                                           - Unknown

Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate, ... things.         - VP Dan Quayle

If God had meant for us to vote, He would have given us candidates.  - Anon
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: A Hollow Shell
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:06:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.144525.18926@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
>	The Democratic Party is like a hollow shell,
>	the Old Confederacy awaiting Sherman and his March to the Sea.
>
>							Gerard Vignes

This is absolutely the most informative, substansive post I've ever
seen on talk.politics.misc.  Absolutely.  Mr. Vignes piercing insight
has revealed to me what a sham the Democrat are.  This is a thunderous
revelation, and I must humbly acknowledge this earthshattering wisdom,
and hang my head in shame for my delusions.  With this bright moment
of epiphany, I shall vote for Bush, and trust in him (for through him
the Godhead is revealed) to lead us all to the New Jerusalem.



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From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: GOP to dump Bush, nominate Kemp !!!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:18:23 GMT


George Will has written a column calling for Bush to step aside.
Of course, the two George's haven't often seen eye to eye, but
there is something larger afoot.  Conservatives have been
upset with Bush for years, and Bush's gulf war victory only masked
the disaffection within his own party.  Will's column is a trial balloon,
to see if it's not too late to save the GOP from disaster at the polls.
If you support Kemp over Bush, call the nearest GOP Senator.
They are desperate enough to take it seriously.

Here is what I posted last week:

|> What *will* happen is the GOP will see Bush's numbers in two weeks.
|> His still *way* behind. They know he will lose.  They need a candidate
|> who has charisma and credibility on domestic problems.
|> 
|> They dump Bush for Kemp at the Convention.
|> 
|> Could it happen?   Yes it could.
|> 
|> If you want to fan the rumor, call your local GOPer today.
|> Yup.  Let's start cranking up the rumor mill.
|> 
|> ----------
|> P. McGuinness            Kemp in '92    (There is a chance for real change)
|> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com
|> 
|> P.S. I'd to get a sense of support for this on the net. 
|> If you support it, send me e-mail.

P. McGuinness            Kemp in '92 
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