HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Subject: Looking for newsfeed in/near Chatsworth
Keywords: Chatsworth Amiga news v.32
Organization: High Country Software
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:52:18 GMT


My brother, down south near L.A. in Chatsworth,
is looking for a "cheap" mail/news connection.
I think he needs just a limited feed for now,
probably just the amiga groups, and maybe the ca groups too.  

I figured the best way to find a willing/appropriate feed for him
is to post a message looking for one. 

It looks like there are *lots and lots* of sites in the local calling
area for Chatsworth, including many (most?) (818) and some (805) numbers.
This should include at least some numbers in the following citys:

	Agoura Hills		North Hollywood		Sylmar
	Calabasas		Oxnard			Tarzana
	Canoga Park		Panorama City		Toluca Lake
	Chatsworth		Reseda			Valencia
	Encino			Sherman	Oaks		Van Nuys
	Granada	Hills		Simi Valley		Woodland Hills
	Hollywood		Studio City

A friend suggested posting to ca.news would be a good way to start looking. 
(If not, let me know, and I'll post this inquery to a more appropriate group)

How about it?  Anybody out there willing to provide a feed?

Thanks in advance,

Kris A. Kugel	908-842-2707
hico2!query    {daver,ditka,westmark}!hico2!query    query@hico2.westmark.com

(email replies, as I don't-normally-get-most-ca.*-postings here in Noo Joisey)
From: alanm@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alan McGowen)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:32:33 GMT
Subject: What's Necessary?
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
From: constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino)
Subject: Re: 1-800-EXHAUST
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 04:52:19 GMT

>In article <1992Dec8.201019.3520@pbhye.PacBell.COM> mjvande@PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman) writes:
>>-Does anyone have any info on this? Who started it, who pays for
>>-it? Is it CA only? ...
>>-
>>-For those that don't know what it is: I heard on the radio the
>>-other day that you can call this number to turn in cars that
>>-cause excessive amounts of pollution, just give them the license
>>-plate number - but I don't know what happens after you give the
>>-plate.
>> 
>>The offender gets a letter in the mail (this is a voluntary program,
>>hence almost useless). When they go to reregister their car (which
>>could be a year later!), they may have to clean it up.

I'm not sure I understand the relevance of this program. In Missouri, 
where my car is registered, annual renewal of the plates requires an
inspection, of which emissions is one of the tests. If you fail it, you
don't get your plates until you car is up to specs.

Why not just make sure laws like these are enforced? It seems easier than
calling up a number and snitching on people.

Tino
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From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen)
Newsgroups: ca.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: 1-800-EXHAUST
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:15:02 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In <Bz8MoH.5KA@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:

>They rarely forget to ask for a smog certificate at registration time,
>but I know a couple of people who have gotten lucky.

	There is no lucky about it.  The renewal form has a red band accross
the top when a smog cert is required.  The local DMV office no longer 
processes renewals but just sends them along to sacto.  The people there
enter the data in a computer and send your tags if all the boxes can be
checked.  Local people no longer care if your paper work is in order.

	DonB
Newsgroups: ca.environment,ba.transportation
From: morris@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Speed bumps -- a solution to the wrong problem
Organization: College Park Software, Altadena, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:13:57 GMT

b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman) writes:

>I use the "Milvia Slow Street" about every other day, and don't
>find that the "speed humps" bother me at all.  Note that a hump
>is about 5 feet across, which jolts much less than a "bump" which
>is about only a foot.  Stop signs are much more of an annoyance,
>and if humps can be used in place of them to some extent, that
>would be a great improvement.  The suggestion to have small gaps in
>the humps for bikes is a good one, but in my experience not critical.
>I am also a great fan of the barriers, except for their aesthetics.
>There are a number of places in Berkeley where they have been
>replaced with nicer looking structures.

Several years ago a friend of mine was telling me about some speed
bumps/humps he had seen with two gaps in them spaced for a golf cart.
This allowed granny to get to the market in her cart, as well as not
inconvience the bicycles.  Since then, I have seen this on several
campuses.

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Newsgroups: ca.environment

Chuck Paquette wonders:

>Also, I'm somewhat surprised by the free-enterprise/libertarian
>critique of U.S. environmental organizations.  Most of us compete in
>the marketplace without significant government support or endowments.
>We also tend to emphasize private action and monitoring of government 
>policy.  And most of our active organizational opponents are or 
>represent beneficiaries of government policies and public assets.  Just 
>an added thought.

It's no mystery why these right-wing extremists hate environmentalism. They
hate it for the same reason they hate democracy. If someone wants to enrich
himself by destroying the last old-growth of the Pacific Northwest, for 
example, and the rest of us pass a law to prevent him from doing so, that
is what they call "coercion" -- which they abhor. I.e. in their view,
democracy = coercion. They identify with the guy who wants to enrich himself
at everyone else's (and nature's) expense. They believe, sometimes validly,
more often illusorily, that if there were fewer restraints they would be
among those who would succeed in pushing their way to the hog-trough and
gorging themselves. They think of themselves as very strong, and they hate
it above all else when those whom they think of as weak band together in
democracies to prevent them from riding roughshod over everybody and 
everything.

*Naturally* they hate environmentalism. It's to be expected. It's in the way
of their (real or imagined) self-aggrandizement.

-------------
Alan McGowen
Newsgroups: ca.environment
From: bserina@igc.apc.org (Bob Serina)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: Campus Environmental Contacts
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:20:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1glaeoINNi5m@charnel.ecst.csuchi:1964285684:cdp:1332900122:000:730
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bserina    Dec 16 20:20:00 1992


Hello from the Student Affiliation For Environmental Respect,
(SAFER) at San Jose State.

It's good to hear about other Cal State groups being active.  We
here at SAFER are working with the campus facility staff in
planning a campus pilot recycling program to start next semester.
The environmental studies faculty has approved intern credit for
participation in the program.

We are also planning to send a letter to State Senator Hayden
asking for a portion of the Cal State budget be allocated to
recycling, and the solid waste abatement law be amended to remove
the exclusion for state colleges.

That's what is happening at SJSU.  Send some e-mail maybe we can
co-operate on the letter to Sacramento.

Bob Serina
SAFER
SJSU
From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russell Hockins)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: What's Necessary?
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:32:41 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Dec17.030412.4185@pony.Ingres.COM> donj@Ingres.COM (Don Johnson) writes:
>In article <38511078@hpindda.cup.hp.com> alanm@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alan McGowen) writes:
>>
>>*None* of the species inventory of any ecosystem is "necessary" in the 
>>sense that it *has* to exist. All of these things are products of 
>>contingency -- of the *history* of life.  We too are products of that 
>>contingency. 
>>

How interesting to find out that we [ humans ] are not necessary.  I
suppose that means we don't have to worry about Somalia any more eh?

I wonder how many of those 'unnecessary' species were involved in the
'contingency' production of the human species.


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From: alanm@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alan McGowen)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: The Outer Limits
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:14:03 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

/ hpindda:sci.environment / jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) / 12:23 am  Dec 11, 1992 /
>To a technologically advanced society, not much more advanced
>technologically and not at all more advanced scientifically than our
>own, there is no such thing as permanent and continual accumulation of
>pollution.  All the transformations of matter that humanity causes
>both in manufacture and disposal conserve matter.  Except for the
>production of radioactivity, they even preserve the amounts of the
>various isotopes.  Therefore, if any substance, compound or
>elementary, rises to troublesome proportions in any environment, it
>can be transformed again to useful or at least innocuous forms, or
>moved elsewhere.

This is a protestation of faith, not the statement of a scientist. E.g. just 
how do you remove bioconcentrating fat-soluable toxic substances for which 
there are no metabolic pathways from food webs once they are introduced?
McCarthy may *believe* that for every such substance, an artificial metabolic
pathway could be genetically engineered into organisms, reworking the chemical
functioning of whole ecosystems -- but this is just a sci-fi fantasy. We
don't even know how many such substances there are nor what they are doing. 

>This is my opinion, and I think it would be the majority opinion
>of scientists and engineers if they contemplated the precise
>question.

Of scientists and engineers who are totally ignorant of biology and are
unwilling to listen to what biologists say, perhaps -- but is it a good 
idea to pay any attention to pronouncements about the living world from
such people? People would do much better to listen to biological scientists,
such as Paul Ehrlich, Edward Wilson, and Micheal Soule on such matters.

McCarthy reasons as if the biosphere and all its biological processes were
completely irrelevant to the question -- just do enough *work* (preferably
generated by nuclear power) and any Humpty-Dumpty can be put back together
again no matter how small the pieces he's been smashed into. 

We don't have anything like that much power over the world, and won't have it
anytime soon, if ever. McCarthy always assumes that the only "limits" we need
to think about are the outer limits of basic physical law, never those imposed
by the fabric of the biosphere itself. This crazy notion, if it could be 
pursued far enough, would destroy the very biosphere it deems irrelevant. But
far more likely, pursuing it would destroy *us* first. 

------------
Alan McGowen
From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: Natural Gas?
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:18:19 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <92Dec16@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> john_mcarthy@cs.Stanford.EDU offgasses:

>He must actually be a graduate student in English.

Source?

>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

It's not refusal--rather rare, actually--but obsession that's really dangerous.

									  MPA
Newsgroups: ca.environment,talk.environment
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: 1-800-EXHAUST
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:52:47 GMT
Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Donald Bowen (donb@crash.cts.com) wrote:
& In <Bz8MoH.5KA@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
& 
& >They rarely forget to ask for a smog certificate at registration time,
& >but I know a couple of people who have gotten lucky.
& 
& 	There is no lucky about it.  The renewal form has a red band accross
& the top when a smog cert is required.  The local DMV office no longer 
& processes renewals but just sends them along to sacto.  The people there
& enter the data in a computer and send your tags if all the boxes can be
& checked.  Local people no longer care if your paper work is in order.

I'm not talking about the local people.  What I mean is that the renewal
form DID NOT HAVE A RED BAND when it was supposed to.  No smog check for
5 years in a row for two different people.
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From: ecologycntr@igc.apc.org (Ecology Center)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: What's Necessary?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:04:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:hpindda.cup.hp.com:38511078:cdp:1332900123:000:922
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Dec 18 09:04:00 1992


Though it may be politically expedient to avoid casting all species as
equals, it is nonetheless a moral position that many have arrived at, through
examination of the nature of evolution (cf. S.J. Gould). Moral positions
are often unpopular and politically disruptive. But they are no less 
important for that fact. It was inexpedient to attempt to include people
of african ancestry, a century ago, in the category "human", but it eventually
almost worked. The slave traders resented it, talked about property rights
and lost jobs, but it was the right thing to do and we celebrate the
humanity of the abolitionists here, in the future.

A century hence, people watching holovid specials may well feel the revulsion
at a portrayal of a "reasonable" position on the Endangered Species Act that
we feel watching the slave owners portrayed in Burns' _The Civil War_.

Expediency is never a good reason for anything.

Chris
From: rrees@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Campus Environmental Contacts
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:08:08 GMT
Reply-To: rrees@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

A group of students I work with here at CSU, Chico are interested in linking 
up with other campus groups interested in environmental issues particularly as
they pertain to University campuses.  Representatives of our Environmental
Affairs Commission recently attended a SEAC conference in Berkeley and really
got a lot out of it.  We have tried to communicate with the e-mail address for
SEAC at Chapel Hill to no avail.  We really would like to share information
with other campus on recycling, transportation, parking, food service,
recycled products, paper usage, Earth Day Programs, etc., etc.
 Any information or the establishment of an e-mail distribution system or ?
would be appreciated.  Thanks.
From: Rick_Donnelly@taligent.com (Rick Donnelly)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: 1-800-EXHAUST
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:30:03 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Taligent, Inc.

There are obviously some misunderstandings about this program.

First, 1-800-EXHAUST operates only in the SF Bay Area.  1-800-CUTSMOG
operates only in Southern California, and is run by a different AQMD
(presumably under different rules).

Second, 1-800-EXHAUST is a VOLUNTARY compliance program.  (I cannot
speak for the S. Cal. program as I don't know much about it.)

If you call 1-800-EXHAUST to report a smoking vehicle, you will reach
a recording which asks for the vehicle license number and where and when you
saw the vehicle.  The owner of the vehicle will receive a letter stating that
his/her car was spotted emitting smoke for 10 seconds or more, along with
information about pollution from smoking cars and how to repair smoking cars.
That's it.  NO ENFORCEMENT ACTION IS TAKEN.  I can see no way that this
program can be abused.

If you receive a bogus notice, just throw it in the garbage.  (Or recycle
it. :-)  You have no obligation to do anything.

The Bay Area AQMD expects that about 20% of vehicle owners receiving such
notices will repair their vehicles.  Considering that the only cost to the
public of such a program is the cost of postage and calls to the 800 number,
plus perhaps 1 person to transcribe recorded messages, this is a pretty
cheap way to cut air pollution.  I can't see any real downside to it.

Rick Donnelly                          My opinions, not Taligent's.
Rick_Donnelly@taligent.com
From: alanm@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alan McGowen)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:01:38 GMT
Subject: Re: What's Necessary?
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
From: hart@madhatter (James A. Hart)
Subject: Re: Tinted windows law ??
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:08:40 GMT

wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
: In article <1ghsufINNniq@agate.berkeley.edu> shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
: >>Is there somekinda law in CA that prohibits tinting the front two windows 
: >>of a car ? I was given a ticket this morning for having tinted front two 
: >
: >one cannot tint the front two windows of a car.  however, this only
: >applies to third party jobs (i.e., your local garage or done by yourself.)
: >if the car was tinted coming out of the factory, it is perfectly
: >fine and legal.  
: 
: I have heard this explanation as well.  I can't figure out how something 
: can be legal coming out of a factory, and be illegal when you apply it to
: your own car.  I've always wondered how limousines that are custom built
: get around such a law...

--
I think the limos are legal because they use D.O.T. approved tinted glass.
I've built custom cars, and know you can get it cut to size.  If youv'e got
that little DOT etching on your glass, your legal.
An interior tint isn't legal 'cause the DOT doesn't approve add-ons.
BTW, why not just chance it if youv'e got a light tint?  Isn't it just a 
'fix-it' ticket that only requires removing the tint and getting an officer
to sign it off? (No cost involved?)

Name:        Jim Hart    N6JSS
InterNet:    hart@donald.etdesg.TRW.COM 
                         I'd rather be LANDSAILING!
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: gwcook@wineglass.Corp.Sun.COM (Gary Cook - ICON Edu Mgr)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re:Auto Talk and Way To Go
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:42:26 GMT
Reply-To: gwcook@wineglass.Corp.Sun.COM
Followup-To: Re: Auto Talk and Way To Go
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wineglass.corp.sun.com


I have picked up Auto Talk on the SAP of my TV.  I don't remember
exactly, but it is probably channel 2 or 44 in the San Francisco Bay
Area.  It appears that they broadcast a limited number of hours, then
leave a commercial message about their service running.  I catch it
late at night when I push the wrong button on the remote control.  I
have never checked during their normal broadcast hours.  I think they
end around 9PM.  I suppose you could load your TV in the car for a test
drive of Auto Talk..  :^)




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From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Foreign->CA. License
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:58:31 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, San Diego



I currently have a valid Australian (state of Victoria) driver's
license and want to get a Californian one as I expect to be here for
some time.  What is the procedure for obtaining one?  Do I need to
go through the whole procedure of taking a written test AND driving
test, or is there a quicker, less painful (cheaper) way of doing
things?

It all has to be legit. of course


  

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"There's so many different worlds, so many different suns,
And we have just one world, but we live in different ones..."
Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits singing "Brothers in Arms"
From: lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Traffic School, OR and CA
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:16:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

Does anyone know if Oregon courts will let me expunge a ticket
with traffic school in Calif. I got hit with an utterly bogus
ticket on a business trip.

Thanks. An e-mail reply would help since postings
may expire while I am on vacation.

andy
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Subject: Re: CVC definition of Speed Trap
Reply-To: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:27:03 GMT

In the referenced article, zombie@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Then how can the cops legally use aircraft to ticket people?  There must
>me an exception law somewhere.

They can't. Of course, that doesn't stop them. They've tried in the
past to argue various slimy ways that doing it is legal, and they've
gotten various judges to agree to allow the evidence at various times,
but it's illegal.

>>Speaking of the CVC, does anyone know the reference that allows motorcycles t
>>"lane split".  I know it is legal, but I would like to read the wording to se
>>if it might apply to other vehicles under some circumstances ...

Part of this hinges on what you mean by "lane splitting. It's not
legal to run along the Bott's dots between lanes (you're required to
stay in one lane as much as practical), and it's not legal to split
lanes in a reckless fashion, but other than that, there's no law
against it, so it's legal.
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"When you're down, it's a long way up
 When you're up, it's a long way down
 It's all the same thing
 And it's no new tale to tell"                      ../ray\..
Newsgroups: ca.driving