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From: fred@iapetus.earth.nwu.edu (Fred Marton)
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Organization: Geological Sciences Department, Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:43:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.185715.5040@noao.edu> muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller) writes:
>
>I totally agree Suzanne! I wonder if they found it funny if the two
>genders would have been reversed!
>
>Beatrice

sure, why not?  it's known as having a sense of humor.

fred

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From: downey@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: New Ending-Impure Mathematics
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:32:35 GMT
Organization: NIST


When Curly Pi attempted improper integration, Polly was so outraged
that she raised herself to nth degree and pulled out a .357 magnum.
She then threatened to blow off Curly Pi's conic section and
relative spheres whereupon his full extrapolation shrivelled to an
infinitesimal imaginary number.  While keeping her exponents
applied to the trigger, Polly summoned the Matrix police and Curly
Pi was brought upon charges of attempted improper integration and
sentenced to hard differentiation for infinity; where he repeatedly
became a zero, thus rendering him incapable of ever attempting
improper integration again.

Moral of the Story:  Attempted improper integration may result in
loss of conic section and relative spheres and definitely results
in loss of any degree of freedom.

Epilogue:  While Curly Pi served his time in infinity, he ran into
a few other zero's named Darryl, Fred & Scott, among others, who
had been sentenced for masquerading as higher-order equations and
grossly offending other members of mathkind.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Using the Irish form of one's name in Ireland
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:07:32 GMT


In article <1992Aug26.002913.17911@microsoft.com>, georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes...
>If I understand correctly, it is quite legal to interchangeably
>use the English or Irish forms of one's name in Ireland.  For
>example, even though my birth certificate says "George Vincent
>Reilly", I could apply for a passport (or open a bank account
>or whatever) as "Seoirse O/ Raghailligh" (or "Seoirse Reilly"
>or "George O/ Raghailligh", optionally adding in "Vincent"
>or "Uinseoinn").
> 
I beleive the same is also true in Scotland. Scottish law says something
along the lines of your name merely being something by which you are
known, and can be easily changed. It doesn't have the same legal significance
that it does in England.

As for Ireland, I don't think you need to do anything special.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: is Galicia (spain) celtic?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:35:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Aug24.192538.29317@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.141635.11710@cicb.fr> 
> moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB) writes:
>>there is no celtic language, galician is a roman language.
>>but i think, with their culture and tradition they are celtic people.
>>what are you thinking about that ?
>
[deletion]
>
>I understand there are quite a few blue-eyed redheads to be found in
>Galicia even today...not to mention bagpipes.
>

In the same way, Wallonia (the Walloon-speaking areas of
Belgium) is a Celtic country, if my information is correct.
There is, I understand, a survival in the folk music, even
though the Celtic language has disappeared. The name
Wallonia is effectively the same as the name Wales, both
come from the Germanic languages of the invaders and
refer to the old population as foreigners (Old English
waelisc; Old High German Walah).

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: lc1r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lori Cole)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Martin O'Connor Recordings
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:39:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IedB8XS00WBLQ2SLs4
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Try Green Linnet Records in Connecticut for his first solo album -- I'm
not sure about #2.

Lori Cole
From: mark@cs.hw.ac.uk (Mark Riordan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:25:52 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <185k4uINNkf2@agate.berkeley.edu> swade@ocf.berkeley.edu (Wade Shen) writes:
>
>And although you are correct in pointing out that the usage and revival
>of the Irish language has primarily been a symbol of republican sympathie
                           ^^^^^^^^^
>recently,

Well I guess it depends on the usage of Republican but if we accept the
distinction between Nationalist Movement and Republican Movement as used
in the media, the former opposed to use of political violence the latter
prepared to use political violence. Then I would have to disagree with
this as per my earlier posting.

>      its revival actually begins at about the turn of the century in
>the form of a literary renaissance in Ireland.

This is true.

MARK
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From: dacosta@prl.philips.nl (Paulo da Costa 42147)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: is Galicia (spain) celtic?
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:53:22 GMT
Organization: none

In article <92239.194032ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET> Dan Wilson <ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>I seem to recall that Julius Caesar had several wars with the Celts in
>Galacia.

Galicia and part of what is now Portugal were conquered by the Romans
before Caesar's time. Their victory was ensured in 140 BC, with the
assassination of Viriatus, leader of the Celtic confederation of the
Lusitani. The Roman commander was Decius Junius Brutus. Galicia and
the County of Portugal (which later reconquered the south from the
Moors and became modern Portugal) were formed from the Roman province
of Gallaecia in the Middle Ages. A Celtic language was still spoken
there for centuries after the Roman conquest, but was finally replaced
by a local version of Latin.
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From: dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,sci.physics,sci.misc
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:02:05 GMT
Reply-To: dnd@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK

In article <suzanne.74@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett) writes:
>In article <5887@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA)) writes:
>
>>A friend of mine passed this snippet along. It may amuse...
>
>>                       Impure Mathematics
>views.  You, sir, seem to enjoy the put down.  Suggest you confine your 
Not necessarily..
>drivel amongst your comrades; perhaps they appreciate it more.

Obviously, in this case, it did not amuse.

The neo-neanderthal
From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:56:12 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University

Shouldn't this previous posting have been on either soc.anthro or
misc.religions??? I have never really considered the Norse as Celts -
surely the Celts came down from the eastern diaspora which also
brought the turkic/kazak/mongolian groups across europe. And anyway
who on earth could take Asgard seriously when they could go back earlier
and reinvent the Earth Mother cult??? The problem with Norse myths is
the unfortunate filters of time - the latest being Marvel comics, closely
followed by the Victorian Mythmakers...and despite the Valkyries there
are no really good female role models for those of us who constitute 51%
of the world....
From: david.hamid@canrem.com (david hamid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: birthday bumps
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:46:34 GMT
Reply-To: "david hamid" <david.hamid@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

This is quite a common practice throughout the British Isles, at least
when I was growing up (late 50's early 60's).  I lived in Dumbarton,
Scotland, then Kent, England, and in both places you could expect the
bumps on your birthday.
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From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,sci.physics,sci.misc
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:07:41 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Can we get this thread off soc.culture.celtic?  I have no idea why it
was even put here in the first place.

	- Leigh Ann



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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Thanks, and another info request
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:16:47 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

fsjtm@acad3.alaska.edu (McCranie John T) writes:


>Now a request for my own edification.  Does anyone have the *winter*
>ferry schedule for the Isle of Skye? 

I think the Mallaig/Armadale ferry is summer only.

The Kyle of Lochalsh/Kyleakin ferry is about every 20 minutes, it's a very
short crossing (about 500 yards I think!!)

The Ratagan ferry is definitely summer only and may in fact no longer exist

>My wife and I are going to spend a few days on Skye after the Mod, 
>so any info would be much appreciated.

If your going from Oban, it's quite far to Kyle, Mallaig is a lot closer.
Mallaig ferry is about every 90 minutes in summer but maybe check with
Caledonian MacBrayne at Oban pier when you arrive for the availability of
the service. They have a small office there.

Dave

>p.s.  It was much easier finding accommodations in Oban for the week of
>the Mod, than it was getting the airline tickets. But that's another 
>story!

It's been a bad year for tourism here so the hotels etc are desperate for trade.
England has been hit even worse, I got a 700 quid holiday in Cornwall for
4 in July for 250 quid!!!

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From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,sci.physics,sci.misc
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:01:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.185715.5040@noao.edu>, muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller) writes:
> In article <suzanne.74@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett) writes:
>>In article <5887@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA)) writes:
>>
>>>A friend of mine passed this snippet along. It may amuse...
>>
>>
>>>                       Impure Mathematics
>>
>>I suppose the poster of this bit of sexist garbage is sitting at his 
>>terminal quite smug in the knowledge that he has generated a controversial 
>>topic.  I AM NOT AMUSED.  It is offensive, has no business on the Celtic 
>>board--or any other board!  So-called "cute" postings that denigrate other 
>>races, the opposite sex, are NEVER in good taste.  As a writer, I try very 
>>hard not to put down anyone else, even if I don't happen to share their 
>>views.  You, sir, seem to enjoy the put down.  Suggest you confine your 
>>drivel amongst your comrades; perhaps they appreciate it more.
>>Suzanne who has spent far to many years trying to avoid the Neanderthal 
>>mentality evident by this poster. 
>>-----
>>suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
> 
> I totally agree Suzanne! I wonder if they found it funny if the two
> genders would have been reversed!
> 
> Beatrice

	My, my .... Now these two posters have gone and hopelessly
	damaged the self-esteem of the 'Impure' author. Hurling
	barbed prose reeking of 'IQ-ism', 'Sensitivity-ism' and
	elitist 'Taste-ism' they heedlessly crushed the very life
	and soul from him. Perhaps they will be responsible for
	his suicide, or some other criminal act he may be driven
	to in his shame. Not confining their insults to just the
	poster, I also detected a probable slight against the
	good name of the Neanderthal peoples, implying some racial
	deficit on their part. Such implications may be actionable
	by anyone who may be of Neanderthal descent and the
	obvious derogatory nature of the implication may indeed
	fall under the 'hate-crime' laws of several states. 

	Careful with your 'PC' ... it is a blade that can cut
	in any direction. Tolerance ... even of insensitive
	boors ... makes for a freer and better nation. Better to
	suffer a thousand insults than to force one person to be
	silent. 

-- Jim Mason
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic Cross
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:06:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair)
>        This may belong in net.religion or something, but isn't
>        True that some believe that the trinity concept
>        was added to appeal to the celtic peoples because
>        they tended to believe in gods/goddesses in sets
>        of three, and that the promotion of Mary in the
>        church was added to appeal to the celts who always
>        had a mother figure as one of their three. I know
>        the christian trio does not include a female.

More silly romanticism which wants to see swords-and-sorcery
style celticry everywhere. Most of the debates which defined
the position of the Trinity took place at the other side of the
Roman Empire from where the Celts were. Do you really suppose
that people in Egypt, Syria and Turkey would have indulged in
endless debates and fighting which has led to lots of little
Christian groups still spread all over the Middle East, just to
please a few barbarians on the western fringes of Europe?

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:07:01 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.163804.20859@octel.com>, dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair) writes...
>In article <1992Sep3.114700.7703@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>From: vlaad@brewich.hou.tx.us (Vlaad Thunarsson)
>>>I posted the long message a couple back about our organization as, if one
>>>looks back far enough, all Celts are of Teutonic lineage.  As this is an
>>>organization which deals with the ancient Teutonic culture, I thought it
>>>was good material and food for thought for a lot of you.
>>
>>Absolute nonsense. The Teutonic langauges are one branch of
>>Indo-European, the Celtic another, but they are no closer
>>related than any other two branches of Indo-European. In fact
>>the Celtic languages are rather more closely related to the
>>Romance languages than they are to the Teutonic languages. You
>>would be more correct to say "if you look back far enough, all
>>Celts are of Latin lineage", but this would not fit in with
>>silly romantic swords-and-sorcery celticry.
>>


The Romance languages are all descended from Latin, and Latin is
the main language in the Italic branch of Indo-European. Italic
is the closest branch linguistically to Celtic. 

Not suprising really when you consider the proximity of the Celts
to the Latin speaking areas 

Craig

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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Birthday bumps
Date: 26 Aug 1992 08:53:48 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Aug26.002041.17665@microsoft.com>, georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
	> When I was growing up in Dublin, we had a rather ugly custom of
	> giving somebody the "bumps" on their birthday.  You get three
	> or four people (or more if the victim is particularly heavy or
	> unwilling) to grap the celebrant's arms and legs, heave him
	> into the air, and then bump his backside into the floor. 
	> Repeat once for each year and once for luck.
	> 
	> Does this happen anywhere else?  I'm not even sure if it
	> happens elsewhere in Ireland.
	> 

It certainly existed in Belfast and surrounding areas, I know of one
person who only avoided it by making the rather embarassing admission that
she was pregnant...

	> What is the origin of this custom?  A friend I just told
	> about this said he couldn't help but wonder at some strange
	> pagan/pre-Christian derivation.

No idea, sorry.

Steve
From: daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Martin O'Connor Recordings
Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:52:32 GMT
Organization: nasa-jsc


	Can anyone help me find a way to acquire some Martin O'Connor
recordings? I live in Houston and the last time he was here I 
could barely afford the cover charge, much less a recording.
From: smaill@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Alan Smaill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: close
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:26:07 GMT
Organization: DAI, University of Edinburgh

In article <21148@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

   In article <1992Aug26.221940.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
   > I saw an add for a series of three books by Robert Klee... a "green flag" 
   > series... I wonder if anyone has read it and what he/she might think of 
   > it...

    Could you post any info you find on this? I've been trying to find a source
   for the Ireland series that was narrated by Klee on PBS (I assume it was a
   BBC production originally) and also a copy of the book "Green Flag" - I have
   not been able to find either....

The name is Kee rather than Klee.
Here are references for the book (first in 1 vol, then in 3 vols).

AUTHOR: Kee, Robert
TITLE: The green flag : a history of Irish nationalism
IMPRINT: London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson [1972]
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: 877 p : illus ; 24 cm
SUBJECT: Irish question * Ireland - Politics and government - 19th century *
          Ireland - Politics and government - 20th century
ISBN: 029717987x
CSN: LC72186086

AUTHOR: Kee , Robert  , 1919-
TITLE: The green flag / Robert Kee * Vol. 1 : The most distressful country
EDITION: Quartet ed.
IMPRINT: London : Quartet Books 1976, c1972
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: 341p , 1map ; 21cm (pbk)
NOTE: In 3 vols. * First published in a single volume (with The bold Fenian men
          and Ourselves alone): London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1972
SUBJECT: Irish question * Ireland - Politics and government - 19th century *
          Ireland - Politics and government - 20th century
CSN: 070433089x

TITLE: The green flag / Robert Kee * Vol. 2 : The bold Fenian men
EDITION: Quartet ed.
IMPRINT: London : Quartet Books 1976, c1972
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: [320p] , 1map ; 21cm (pbk)
NOTE: In 3 vols. * First published in a single volume (with The most
          distressful country and Ourselves alone): London : Weidenfeld and
          Nicolson, 1972
SUBJECT: Irish question * Ireland - Politics and government - 19th century *
          Ireland - Politics and government - 20th century
CSN: 0704330962

AUTHOR: Kee , Robert  , 1919-
TITLE: The green flag / Robert Kee * Vol. 3 : Ourselves alone
EDITION: Quartet ed.
IMPRINT: London : Quartet Books 1976, c1972
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: [203p] , 1map ; 21cm (pbk)
NOTE: In 3 vols. * First published in a single volume (with The most
          distressful country and The bold Fenian men): London : Weidenfeld and
          Nicolson, 1972
SUBJECT: Irish question * Ireland - Politics and government - 19th century *
          Ireland - Politics and government - 20th century
CSN: 0704331039
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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Andy Irvine, Dougie Maclean
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:40:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: int272y@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au's message of 28 Aug 92 02:18:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.021840.14380@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int272y@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Doig) writes:

   Are these two seen (heard) much around the uk?

Don't know about Andy Irvine, but I saw Dougie Maclean in Edinburgh the night
before last!  He'd just returned from Canada the previous day, he said.  I
saw him before that maybe 6 months ago, so presumably he does play here quite
often.
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From: vlaad@brewich.hou.tx.us (Vlaad Thunarsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: RE: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 02:50:01 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

I posted the long message a couple back about our organization as, if one 
looks back far enough, all Celts are of Teutonic lineage.  As this is an 
organization which deals with the ancient Teutonic culture, I thought it 
was good material and food for thought for a lot of you.

If I offended anybody, I extend my apologies.
-Vlaad Thunarsson-
Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Champion of the Hof and House

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