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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: NFL Announcers
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:30:22 GMT

In article <9SEP92.19003728@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>TNT announcing in football has always been pretty pathetic.
>They had one guy in the past couple of seasons who always said
>"Fourth and five and let's all watch it together!" (What?)
    
    It must be Skip Carey.  I'm glad that he's not doing football this
season.  Last season, he made a comment on Eric Green of the Steelers,
"If he tackles you, you are tackled."  What?
>
>CBS's Madden/Summerall team is okay. I like Madden better when he's
>being more analytical, as opposed to commenting on "down-n-dirty" linemen.
>Their problem is that they always cover the same teams, so after a couple
>of seasons they never say anything new.

      Summerall/Madden always cover the Giants, the Redskins, and the Bears.
May be John doesn't want to spend time travelling on his bus.
>
>I like NBC's commentators, although none really stand out.
>I agree that ABC's Monday night team occaisonally has grammar problems,
>but they generally do a good job.
>
>Bart T.

Edward Hui
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: VIKES KICK PACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:06:51 GMT

In article <20191@plains.NoDak.edu> herreid@plains.NoDak.edu (Todd J. Herreid) writes:
>The NFL better look out, the Purple People Eaters are back!!

Well , I am a huge Viking fan. But they could have looked alot better
to me. I watched the whole game, and they had way to many penalties,
and turned the ball over too much. The D did look good, and here's
to hoping they have a great season. We'll see next week against Detroit.

Mark
GO VIKINGS!
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From: bill@turing.toronto.edu (Bill Monhemius)
Subject: Re: NFL Announcers
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:38:56 GMT

I love the "here's the play coming right into your living room" line.
God, I don't mind being a couch potatoe on Sundays but I'm not proud
of it!

Go Saints! 

-Bill

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From: jeff@neuron.cs.tamu.edu (Jeff Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Oilers vs. Colts - Impressions, Stats pls.!!
Reply-To: Jeff@cs.tamu.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:23:29 GMT

IMHO, the Oilers played well both offensively and defensively.  Moon was
on target (29 of 39 for 361, 2 TD), White effective enough (69 yds on 17
carries), and the defense was effective (total yardage was 419 to 162).
The Oilers seemed to be executing the run-and-shoot in near optimal ball
control fashion, but with one glaring exception.  Their sputtering
performances inside the so-called red zone left a lot to be desired.  It
is seems the Oilers need to come up with better strategies for how to
handle a given team, and given defense inside the 20 yard line.  Their
ability to finish off long drives was was not very convincing.  This
game really should have been a blowout.

Final score was Oilers 20 Colts 10.
--
           Jeff Goldberg                        
           College Station, Texas
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lions DL was Re: Neal Anderson
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:03:20 GMT
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In article 92Sep9080743@z.eecs.umich.edu, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>Well, the Lions have invested big time in the DL over the last three years: 2
>#1, a #2, and a #3.  Unfortunately, the top two players there have run
>stuffing as a strength, and the pass rush is Detroit's biggest D weakness.
>So I guess I don't know for sure which was going on: was the bears OL just
>sucking wind on the run blocking (reasonable, looking at the recent personel
>moves) or was Detroit playing great run D?  I'm hoping for #2 personally.
>Maybe Terry Allen can do us all a favor and help clear up the matter.

Part of their problem is they have only drafted DEs,  no NGs.  The Tribune
listed the Lions roster & had Jerry Ball as the only NG on the team.  I 
assume that Lawrence Pete was not activated for the game.  When a team runs
a 3-4,  the NG must be able to handle the center & require a double team.
If not, you have a 270lb Guard bearing down on your ILB & he will lose.  





---
Andy Knipp  SE                |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunbird.central.sun.com  |

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From: jsoderg@andy.bgsu.edu (jeff sodergren)
Subject: THE STEELERS
Organization: From Bowling Green to you
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:53:58 GMT


	I was worried when Noll retired, but it seems the Steelers found
themselves a good one in Cowher.  What did you all think of that fake punt?  That
wasn't in Noll's playbook, that's for sure.  

	I'm glad that Bubby took a seat also.  He's an overrated mouthy brat who
doesn't back up his boasts on the field where it counts.

	I guess the Jets are next for the new Steel machine.  They'd better be
ready.
From: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: PACKER info requested
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:10:36 GMT
Reply-To: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California


   Can somebody back there in Packerland tell me why Brett Farve started
the second half of the Tampa Bay game? Did Holmgren make any comments about
this after the game? Have they listed a starter for this weeks game?

Mark Nass
From: hunter@wpi.WPI.EDU (George M. Berberian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys beat Redskins: 23-10
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:39:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Sep8.130553.1290@oz.plymouth.edu> s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean) writes:
>As far as I am saw Alexander Wright had one fuck of a game, and was a
>major factor in Dallas' O dominating ( Line aside ).  That catch he
>made going out of bounds has increadable, and it surprised me they
>didn't say incomplete.
>
>shaun

Are you sure that was Wright??? I thought Ervins and whats his name had a 
better game than Wright.
What happened to the return game that Wright was supposed to deliver.
All day i waited for him to return one BIG. Nothing....this guy better
earn his money. 
I love the boys,"hell my god childs name is Dallas", but i'ld like
to see Wright alittle more aggressive. He seems to be health shy.
Good luck Dallas!!!




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GOOOOOO....PATS 11-5 in 92                          Worcester, Massachusetts
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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Cowboys vs Giants
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:29:28 GMT


Just some notes about the upcoming game.  I wish I had all the stats but
this is what I remember.  Last year teams that had to travel after a
Monday night game lost around 6 of 7.  Big upsets too.  Houston to N.E. is
an example.  Also the fact that the Cowboys could not practice very much 
yesterday due to storms is troubling.  The coaches are nervous because
they don't have time to adjust the game-plan for the Giants.  This is
where we see if training camp was a success.  Also this is where I believe
that the veterns earn some money.  Irvin has looked intense this week
in interviews.  I think with him being focused it should carry throughout
the team.   I just hope Handly (sp) does his great job of coaching?  

Robert


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From: cor@parrot.WPI.EDU (Corydon T Shimer)
Subject: Re: Patriots News 9/2
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:30:01 GMT

In article <Bu0D3o.7x2@acsu.buffalo.edu> v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy) writes:

>>>The Pats roster looks like this:
>>>K--Charlie Baumann
>> 
>>I was ecstatic when they cut Staurovsky.  I've never heard of this guy.
>>I hope he has better control than Staurovsky.  It could be worse; they
>>could have picked up Scott Norwood!
>
>	I'm glad they didn't pick up Scott Norwood.  It hurts their chances of
>beating the Bills!  Norwood is a good kicker.  Even when they got rid of him, he
>still had better accuracy in Rich Stadium than almost all of the kickers who
>went before him.

Maybe, but he began to 'choke'... and thats just not acceptable.
Thats why he is gone.

>
>>>WR is a hurting spot.  Lockwood is actually a rookie RB listed as a WR.  The
>>>Pats will be looking for experienced receivers.  Rumor has it that the Pats
>>>have offered veterans John Stephens and Eugene Lockhart for trades.
>
>	Actually, most of the team is a "hurting spot," but at least the Pats
>don't suck like they used to.  ( For that matter, neither do the Bills. )

I don't agree here. The front Seven is quite decent!
The Linebacking corps is very good, with Tippet and Vincent Brown.

The top running backs are both rookie of the years, and both
very good, assuming the offensive line will be just that much better
than last year, from experience + Mr. Chung.

WR is admittedly a hurting spot.

The Secondary is inexpereinced, but much faster than last year.
Maurice Hurst is back, and in good form. The Packers felt they could
pass at will against the Pats and wound up throwing 4 interceptions
instead.

If the Pats acheive their potential and aren't injured badly they
should be pushing for .500 this year, IMHO.

>>Since Houston cut Mario Bailey, perhaps the P's can snatch him.  Sure he's
>>overrated, but it would be tough to make Houston's cut with the depth they
>>have at WR.

ah yes, Pats are desperately looking for another WR...
They have promised to find one by the opener against the Rams.

Oh yeah, WE NEED VERIS... (we are praying for the holdout to end!)


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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should fail.)
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:33:50 GMT

From article <1992Sep9.133006.18278@hemlock.cray.com>, by rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson):
> 
> In article <1992Sep7.030856.19529@icf.hrb.com>, mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
>> 
>> Herschel runs for 100+ against a very good New Orleans defense. The H-Train
>> will rush for 1000 yards this season barring injury of course.-- 
> 
> Herschel's 114 yards in his Philly debut is his best performance since his
> Vikings debut.
> 
> Terry Allen, Herschel's replacement in MN, was 12 carries for 140 yards.
> 
> Part of my earlier criticism of Walker was his lack of consistency.  Take
> his 26 carries for 114 yards (4.38 ave).  Subtrack his 33 yard run and it's
> 25 for 81 (3.24 ave).  Terry Allen was 12 for 140 (11.6 ave).  Take out
> his two longest runs (of 45 and 51 yards) and he was still 10 for 44 
> (4.4 ave). (Not to mention Allen's better receiving stats.)
> 
> Keep track for yourself.  You'll see that given ~25 carries, Walker will
> evantually break a couple long runs.  The other 20+ will be well below
> what an average back would gain.  The problem is that those 20+ carries
> will result in lots of 3 & 8's.  Walker is not consistent enough to sustain
> long drives or come up with the needed yardage on any given carry.  You'll
> see, the Eagles will tire of their sputtering offense (as they wait for
> Walker to break one) and Walker will end up on the sidelines complaining
> that he is not getting the ball enough.
> 
> As a side note, when the season schedule came out, Denny Green noticed 
> that the first game was against GB, coached by Denny's friend (?) Holmgren.
> Denny called Holmgren to comment on the game and then offered to trade
> Walker to him.  Holmgren's response was (paraphrasing) "come on, I remember
> how we used to laught at him" (as they watched Walker play).  Denny's
> response was "Well, I had to try."
> 

Well, we will just have to wait the season out to find out how wrong you
are.  Walker looks funny, but he's going to do well for the Eagles this
year.  I've laughed at him as well, mainly because of his funny little
baby-steps that he takes before he gets moving.  But, I still realized
that Jerry Burns didn't know what the hell he was doing...and Lynn was
in Minnesota making sure that the Vikings would never be a contender.  

						- Tim



				
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From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Subject: Re: Player Status: Brooks (WR - IND)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:54:43 GMT

In article <BuBy05.B7L@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>In article <19920909.115143.969@almaden.ibm.com>, mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM writes...
>>What is Brooks status?  He had no stats on Sunday.  I have not heard
>>that he is hurt.
>
>From what I read in the papers I believe that in the final roster cut 
>Brooks did not make the team. Someone can confirm or deny this, cause i'm
>not ty positive.

Brooks made the team and is probably #1 on the depth chart.  He was injurred
(ankle I believe) and was on the sidelines last Sunday.

Ed
-- 
Edwin G. Green
AT&T Bell Laboratories          Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
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egg@inuxy.att.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:21:26 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: MNF Announcer Bashing ...
	<olt.716112681@elwood.isgs.uiuc.edu>
Distribution: na

around here, our little joke has always been that if we're watching MNF
and Dierdorf has an opinion on a play that is "obvious" ("oh, that was
*obviously* a trap", etc.) we almost ivariably disagree with him. He
also makes some of the dumbest comments to ever be uttered on national
TV.

as someone else noted (the "125 yds per carry" comment) I've noticed
that if one of the commentators (on MNF at least) makes a mistake,
rather than correct him or let him know so he can correct himself, they
just continue trudging ahead and ignore it completely, which becomes
very confusing when they make mistakes about team names.....

one thing that would make me very happy is if during halftime, they
could at least run through the scores from the weekend and give the
current standings (they do this sometimes during the game if it's a
divisional rivalry, but not every week and not for every division). I
think that since MNF is always the last game of the week, they have a
almost-obligation to give us the current standings. I seem to recall
that they *used* to do this (like when Cosell was around) but I might be
wrong, because my memory's a little fuzzy...

--Vernon.
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From: federkin@rtsg.mot.com (John Federkins)
Subject: Status of 49ers Brent Jones/Jerry Rice?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:45:49 GMT

Is Brent Jones even playing this year?
I haven't been able to watch the games, but
I see he has 0 catches so far this year.

And how bad was Rice's concussion?  Will he play next week?

Thanks,
JF
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Motorola, Inc.				Arlington Heights, IL
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From: ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Rams
Date: 14 Sep 1992 19:25:29 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
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   Can anyone provide more insights on the Rams win on Sunday.  Was the
   defense that dominant or was the Patriots ineptidude the cause of the
   shutout.  Why didn't Everett have a bigger day than only scoring 14
   points.
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From: hammond@sys6.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516))
Subject: Re: Jim Burt and the Bills
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:36:41 GMT

Burt was in for a tryout earlier this week.  The Bills described it as a 
"courtesy" workout for Burt since he is from near Buffalo.  He was not 
signed.


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From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Subject: Re: saints vs eagles : 27-14
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:20:44 GMT


	ugh!!! my first prediction and I get nailed. 
Only thing missing , offense. No point in blaming bobby hebert. The offensive linemen should make holes for dunbar. It was ridiculous that they used dunbar for most of the game against the #1 defense. If the offense had made holes then a small and agile RB can just cut thro'. But against the eagle defense making a hole is just a dream. Should have used iron head....

	Saints defense was simply great. They get the ball back and one minute later the defense has to be back on the field. Just a one minute breather??? and still a 15 - 13 game!! that is some defense!!!!

	Saints live and die by morten anderson. against the eagles they died. Anyway my predictions for the NFL west still stands. Anybody questioning the saints defense read about the game. Cunnigham sacked three times, ...1 by pat swilling the 1991 #1 sacker, 1 by jackson, and 1 by sam mills (I think).
The saints have one of worst opening game records but still they will head for the NFC west championships.


	Again the saints secondary gets burned. But if the defense continues to be the same then all QB's better wear sacks.


	BE COOL, STAY NAILED. 

shivram
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Dallas and Philadelphia
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:26:54 GMT

In article <9209142257.AA01048@cabell.vcu.edu>, csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes:
> Well, according to ESPN, in recent history, teams that have won the
> Superbowl started off at 2-0.  Since they have been all in the NFC,
> and if this stat should hold true this year, that leaves 3 teams in
> the NFC.  The Buccaneers, the Cowboys, and the Eagles.  I doubt the
> Buccaneers will be in the lead once the playoffs begin, which leads
> to two teams...the Eagles and the Cowboys.  If these teams go 3-0
> after next week, they then have a bye week.  After the bye week they
> meet each other Monday night, 10/5 IN Philadelphia for what should be
> one hell of a game.

I doubt that the Bucs will be making a run for the SuperBowl, too.
But Sam Wyche does have them playing pretty well, which isn't anything
new when he first takes over a team.

As for the Eagles and Cowboys, I fully expect both teams to be 3-0
when they meet.  ABC will hype this game for all it's worth.  And
despite the outcome of that game, both teams will still have 12 games
remaining before they can even consider thinking about the SuperBowl.
Alot can happen between now and then.  Teams are hampered by injuries.
Other teams improve as the season goes on.  etc.  What happens during
the first two weeks means nothing when January rolls around.

> This could very well decide once and for all if
> Dallas is for real.  IMHO, I doubt it, and here's why...

But you can't really judge if a team is FOR REAL based on one game.
Do you judge the Redskins based on that game at Dallas?  Let the
'boys travel to DC and the Birds fly to Dallas before labeling a
team a contender or a pretender.

> Dallas did beat the Eagles last year week 15 at the VET, BUT the
> offense the cowboys were against was nothing in comparison with what
> it is now.  The Cowboys were dominated totally for 3 and 1/2 quarters
> until Kelvin Martin returned for a TD.  That broke the Eagles back
> because frankly, Jeff Kemp is not Randall Cunningham or Jim McMahon.

Yeah, the special teams made the difference in that game.  But the
Eagles were still in it and could have had a chance to win the game
if they were able to stop Dallas on their last possession.  But I
remember a Beurlein to Novacek big gainer off play action and then a
pass-interference on Michael Irvins to put them in scoring position to
seal the win.  Forget the Randall injury, the blowout at Wahsington,
the loss to Tampa Bay, that was the low point of the Eagles season!

> Just a little note: The Eagles at home on Monday night are
> undefeated.  They also tend to bury rivals such as the Giants and
> Redskins when they play.  

And just another meaningless litte note:  I was at the so-called
BODYBAG BAME against the Skins in '90 and the dismantling of the
Giants last year.  And I have tickets for the matchup against the
Cowboys:-)!


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: Go Broncos
Originator: delarocq@c00091-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:55:06 GMT






   Denver will lose to the Bills every year!!! It is destiny!
   (I know, we can't win a Super Bowl either, but it's fun to woof!)

   At least the BILLS beat the Raiders consistently!

   Go Chiefs in the AFC West!!!

   You did get something right.. The Raiders will eat turf this week!!! :)

   Buffalo 24, Denver 23 -- 1990 (I LOVED THIS GAME!! YES!)
   Buffalo 10, Denver  7 -- 1991 
   Buffalo 17, Denver  6 -- 1992 Prediction
  
  Buffalo 54, Raiders  3 -- 1990 (I can never get this score right!) :)
  Buffalo 30, Raiders 27 -- 1991 (THANK YOU, JAY SCHROEDER!!! HEHEHE!!!)
  Buffalo 38, Raiders 14 -- 1992 Prediction

  delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
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