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From: STDN%MARIST@VM.MARIST.EDU (Dan Newcombe)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 386BSD vs Linux  (* NO FLAMES *
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:29:52 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>       Okay, somewhere out there, I take it there is a nice
>       comparasion between Linux and 386BSD.
>       In paticular I'm interested in the space requiriments,
>       and the tape drives that they support.
>       Also the space taken up by an Xinterface, and which
>       video cards are supported by the various X's.
>       And of course anything else that people may have to
>       add about the virtues of their choice :-)

Okay, I'm going to respond to this in an objective manner.  I don't
care what people think of my views on either and I don't wanna hear it :)

While Linux does take up considerably less disk space for an installation
it depends on what you are installing.  I had the kernel, the base tools,
the gcc, X and fonts, and some of the source installed.  All in less than
40 Megs.  The problem is getting a hold of it all.  The FTP sites for
Linux are chaotic at best (or at least last time I was on one.)  386BSD
does take up more room, but this is because it is a more complete
installation, having more with it.  And it is all put in the correct
place, no guessing as with some of Linux.  I have it installed on a
50 meg partition right now.  I do not have X and can't comment on that.
I know on Linux it was slow (I have a 386/33 and 4megs)

I'm sorry I can't comment on the tapes, but don't have one, never looked.

I think the best way to find this kind of info may be to pick up the
FAQ for both groups and compare and contrast.

Likes and dislikes about each: + = like   - = dislike
  Linux:
   + Small
   - Unorganized distribution via FTP
   + Virtual Terminals
   + Shared Libraries

  386BSD
   - Size needed due to lack of shared libraries
   + Installation ease/distribution ease
   + Ease of use, friendliness
   + Lynne and Bill's sometimes biting post's to flamers on the list

Right now I only have DOS and 386BSD.  My optimal hard drive would be:
  1 GigaByte Drive
    250 Megs  386BSD
    160 Megs  DOS
    160 Megs  Linux
    160 Megs  OS/2
     10 Megs  CP/M
and the rest Solaris :)
      -Dan
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jwromei@cs.vu.nl (John Romein)
Subject: Re: Do we have an ``index'' function?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:02:26 GMT

joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:
: I'm trying to compile a program that uses the function ``index,'' but
: on compiliation the symbol _index is unknown.  Does Linux have a 
: substitute?
: 
: Thanks.
: 
: -Joel
: (joel@wam.umd.edu)

index does the same thing as strchr.  Just add

#define index(s,c) strchr(s,c)

on the top of your file, this solves the problem.

John
From: liljeber@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mika Liljeberg)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: NJ/SML
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:13:36 GMT
	<KETIL.92Sep29143043@spurv.ii.uib.no>
	<1992Sep29.203910.2837@odin.diku.dk> <3748@eastman.UUCP>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki, Finland

[ talk about splitting c.o.l deleted ]

During the eight or nine months I've been following comp.os.linux
(and alt.os.linux before that) the subject of splitting this newsgroup
has cropped up and been forcibly squashed for at least half a dozen
times. The way I see it, this reflects the opinion of the majority
rather well. Here's a synopsis of the reasons for and against splitting
c.o.l, as I recall them:

Reasons for:

o	Splitting c.o.l to several subgroups would save some
	people the bother of learning to use a modern threading
	newsreader.



Reasons against:

o	A lot of people are following this group via mail digests.
	Digestifying a bunch of subgroups is a daunting chore, if
	it is to be done well. Crossposting between the subgroups
	can easily double the total volume of the group. It will
	also make the digest just about unreadable.

o	A lot of people are getting c.o.l through Fido-net. I'm told
	that gating a newgroup to Fido-net requires a lot effort in
	terms of volunteer man-hours, as well as costly hardware.
	The immeadiate effect of a split would be that the subgroups
	would simply not be gated to Fido-net. At least not soon, if
	ever. (Perhaps the people associated with Fido-net etc. would
	like to expand on this).

o	A lot of people _can_ use threading newsreaders and a great
	many of them actually _like_ having it all in a single group
	(I'm one of these people).

o	Several prominent people in this newsgroup (including Linus
	himself) have rather clearly stated that they prefer c.o.l
	they way it is. We should listen to these people, because they
	are the ones that do most of the work, the ones who have made
	Linux into the great OS it is today. We can't risk having these
	people get tired of this bickering and wander away, now can we?
	(Anyone who considers him/herself a prominent person in c.o.l
	and disagrees with the views expressed is invited to comment :-)


I can see the attraction of splitting c.o.l into neatly cathegorized
subgroups, but I also like to think that I'm not so egoistic as to
leave a bunch of people out in the cold, because of personal convenience.
If you wish to reduce the traffic in c.o.l, please direct all flames and
talk about splitting c.o.l to dev.null. You might also want to vote yes
for creating comp.unix.x.Xfree86 (the name may not be accurate). That
should get most of the X related questions out of our collective hair.

I hereby propose that the reasons for _not_ splitting c.o.l be included
in the FAQ, so that newbies would have _some_ idea what they are talking
about, before they start whining about splitting comp.os.linux. This is
only halfway a joke.


	Mika

--
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Helsinki University			Mika.Liljeberg@Helsinki.FI
Dept. of Computer Science
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: drew@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Please recommend SCSI controllers
Keywords: scsi adaptec dtc future-domain ibmpc isa
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.092137.9118@vax.oxford.ac.uk> rpb@psy.ox.ac.uk writes:
>Could people please give opinions on the relative merits of the
>following ISA SCSI controllers for the IBM PC:
>
>	Adaptec 1542
>	DTC 3280

The DTC board is not supported under Linux.  

>	Future Domain 1680
-- 
Microsoft is responsible for propogating the evils it calls DOS and Windows, 
IBM for AIX (appropriately called Aches by those having to administer it), but 
marketing's sins don't come close to those of legal departments.
Boycott AT&T for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit.
From: radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Disk corruption problem (Was: Wierd behavior with 0.98).
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:49:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvG6IA.733
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <3797@ra.nrl.navy.mil> eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>	Also, I would be interested in knowing if there are any users with
>two IDE drives, and I would like to know if that configuration is stable
>(especially if you are using at least part of each drive for linux).

I ran Linux on two IDE drivers (120mb Conner and 84mb Conner) with no
problem, mounting the Minix, extended, and DOS filesystems all at the
same time, plus a swap partition.  Not so much as an fsck error with
this setup, even though I compiled several huge packages.


ObConfig:	Generic 386/33 clone
		8mb RAM/120 & 84mb IDE
		Diamond SpeedSTAR & CTX monitor
		0.97p6 kernel; 4.1 jump tables; GCC 2.2.2d7; X11v2.0
		/dev/hda1	4mb	DOS bootable (for BOOTLIN)
		/dev/hda2	10mb	Minix FS (/)
		/dev/hda3	90mb	Extended FS (/usr)
		/dev/hda4	10mb	Swap
		/dev/hdb1	84mb	Extended FS (/usr/X11R5)


-- 
Todd Radel                   | "I obscenity in the milk of all," Agustin said,
CIS/English undergrad        | "if it does not seem like a lunatic asylum in
University of Delaware       | here." -- Hemingway, _For Whom the Bell Tolls_
A.I. duPont Institute, 1600 Rockland Road, Wilmington, DE  19899
From: ucosmo@mcl.ucsb.edu (Boris Burtin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Trouble with MCC bootup disk
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:25:53 GMT


 I just wrote the MCC linux disks on our Sparc2 with the command

	% dd if=boot-US of=/dev/fd0 bs=8192

When I try to boot the disk on my PC, it starts to load ("Loading...") and
then spits out weird register content lines indefinitely.  The output
looks something like

	AX: ...
	BX: ...
	.
	.

Does anyone know the cause of this?  Thanks in advance,

	- Boris

--
     - Boris
(cosmo@cs.ucsb.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf)
Subject: Re: Graphic Zmodem (Was: How to make curses write to stderr?)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:56:27 GMT


Well, I cleaned up the graphical look of zmodem and it is now pretty
complete. I fixed many of the omissions in the code I posted yesterday
to handle error messages, display the times elapsed and remaining
and show the data transfer throughput. It now actually looks prettier
and gives more information than most DOS programs.

I got no response yet from anyone who tried yesterday's code, so I
don't know wither people are ineterested or not. Hence, I won't be
posting the new patches here. If you want a copy, sent me mail and I'll
mail it to you.

As I said before, I'm not sure what the Omen Technology's copyright
entails, so use it at your own responsibility.


--
/M. Saggaf
 alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu
From: wetzler@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Thomas Wetzler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Keybord
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:46:25 GMT
Organization: University of Passau, Germany

I've only one simple question:
How can I install a german keybord-device and were can I get it?


Thomas Wetzler wetzler@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de
From: mgrjtb@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: NJ/SML
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:36:12 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


I heard that someone was trying to port NJ/SML to Linux.  If you need an alpha  
tester I am very willing to help, otherwise, I am very interested in your  
progress.

I don't have time to keep up with this group, use my Linux machine and eat, so  
please send e-mail.


____________________________________
Joseph T. Batt
  Assistant Unix Manager
  Waters Computing Center
 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:48:04 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1adb0hINN2g3@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>mirons@ccs.northeastern.edu (Michael A. Irons) writes:
>
>>He says that they have it at foxboro Co. He also said it costs an arm & a leg
>Not true.  I got Lotus 123 for the Sun at the USC bookstore
>for $135.
>
>Lotus ships 123 for all major Unix platforms.  Ditto for Wordperfect.
>
>If they can be convinced (a) that the installed base of Linux is
>large and (b) that there is nontrivial binary compatibility across
>OS changes then they will port applications.  The same holds for
>the GNU OS and BSD.

Or you can use my Xenix emulator in the mean time :-)
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From: tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer)
Subject: Dead Asks: Is UNIX byte? (Was Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?)
Organization: Northern Telecom, Network Applications Systems, Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:45:20 GMT

Seriously, who cares, really?

I run both Dos/Windows 3.1 and Linux.  What were my requirements?

1) Support for my ST-02 SCSI card on my 16 Mhz. 386sx.
2) I run a small news feed where I get a subset of the Usenet
   hierarchies and forward them to another machine.
3) I occasionally send e-mail to/from home.
4) I write a lot of documents for my work, I need to use the standard
   word processor, FrameMaker.
5) I teach a class in Discrete Mathematics at a local technological
   institute, and I will be teaching a course in Computer Architecture
   during the spring.  I need C++ and Unix to have a similar
   environment to what my students will be using.

Linux doesn't do everything I want.  Dos/Windows doesn't do everything
I want.  If I had a Mac running System 7 it still wouldn't do
everything I want.  Dos/Windows and Linux co-existing comes pretty
close, but I have to swap systems, which is a pain, but I can live
with the pain.

To argue the merits of any of the above (Dos/Linux/Unix/System 7)
against each other misses the real issue - I don't run Linux for the
sake of running Linux.  I run Linux because it does things for me that
other systems I have access to can't.  Same goes for Dos/Windows.
--
Thomas V. Frauenhofer, WA2YYW
tvf@cci.com, ...!uunet!uupsi!cci632!tvf, tvf@cs.rit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: schli@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfram Schlickenrieder)
Subject: /etc/mount & DOS Partitions...
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:04:02 GMT


	Hi there...

	A probably simple question: Can I mount a DOS partition, and
	-- if so -- is mount supposed to do the job? In the latter
	case: What options should I pass to mount?  Or is there
	something like "dosmount" around that I haven't seen yet...?

	...Wolfram
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: johnsonm@stolaf.edu (Michael K Johnson)
Subject: New stuff at tsx-11...
Reply-To: johnsonm@stolaf.edu (Michael K Johnson)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:06:06 GMT

#define L tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux
#define B tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/binaries
#define BUB tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/binaries/usr.bin
#define BUBX tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/binaries/usr.bin.X11
#define S tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources
#define SUB tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources/usr.bin
#define SUBX tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources/usr.bin.X11
#define PAT tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/patches
#define DOCS tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/docs


SUB/Editors/jove.tar.Z
	binaries and source for the latest (I believe) jove.

BUB/Archivers/lha
	binary for lha

L/packages/ingres/ingres.lzh
		  ingres.setup.Z
	ingres is a database system.  (understatement, I know...)
	You need lha for this...

B/net/ftpd.tar.Z
      rcp.tar.Z
      rsh.tar.Z
	These are tcpip net clients.  They need tcpip in the kernel.
	(This should be obvious, but I am not betting on it...)

SUB/less-177+.tar.Z
	enhanced less

SUB/dvivga-00.tar.Z

More as I have time.

Please Note:

I help /maintain/ the archives at tsx-11.mit.edu.  These announcements
that I make are announcements that I have taken things that someone
/else/ has written, and made them available for public consumption at
tsx-11.mit.edu, somewhere in the hierarchy /pub/linux.

I am /not/, unless otherwise explicitly stated, the one to contact
about bugs in the programs -- Please look through the files that you
get for the name of the author.  If program X has bug Y under
conditions Z, either mail the author, or post news about it.  Stuff
sent to johnsonm@stolaf.edu about it will generally end up in the
great bit home in the sky, as I just don't have time to act as a
middleman and pass on bug reports.  Sorry, but that's the way it is.

I do not guarantee that this is either complete or correct.  I will
try to use, as I have used, the subject "New stuff at tsx-11..." to
facilitate WAIS and other searches.

When you upload files to tsx-11, please put them in the incoming
directory, using binary transfer mode when appropriate (almost
always), and then mail ftp-linux@tsx-11.mit.edu and tell us that the
file is there, and what it does.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: which ps for 97pl6
From: steven@gopher.dosli.govt.nz (Steven Brydon)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:45:35 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.linux
Organization: Dept. of Survey & Land Information, NZ.


Is the /pub/linux/sources/sbin/ps097p2.tar.Z on tsx-11 the correct ps package
to use for the 0.97pl6 kernel ?

			Steven
From: tep@engr.uark.edu (Tim Peoples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Problems running ingres
Summary: It won't run, dammit
Keywords: ingres
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: tep@engr.uark.edu
Organization: University of Arkansas
Organiztion: University of Arkansas, Dept. of Computer Systems Engineering

Okay,

   I've finally been able to build the ingres port completely and I even
found the post about the "-c" switch when running demodb but I still can't
run ingres propper.  When I type "ingres demo" I get the following:

INGRES SYSERR: lock write fail

MONITOR SYSERR: lock write fail
IOT trap (core dumped)

   It leaves core files in both the current directory and also in the
.../data/base/demo directory.  I realize that this has something to
do with the concurrency stuff being ON by default but my big question
is this, "Has ANYONE (and I do mean anyone) EVER been able to run ingres
on a linux box at all???"  What needs to be done to remedy this problem?

Any and all comments are completely welcome and strongly encouraged.

Thanx,
Tim

-- 

+--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Tim Peoples                          | The time has come the hacker said   |
| tep@engr.uark.edu                    | to talk of many things,             |
| Dept. of Computer Systems Engineering| of simms and sockets and semaphores |
| University of Arkansas, Fayetteville | of processes and pings....          |
+--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
|    I need no disclaimer; nobody listens to what I have to say anyway!!     |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: jem@vipunen.hut.fi (Johan Myreen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: combo MS/Mouse-Systems mouse
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:19:10 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <HELLERS.92Sep30110908@cleo.cs.wisc.edu> hellers@cs.wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:

>Microsoft mouse or a Mouse Systems mouse -- by default, it's a
>Microsoft, but if you hold a button down during power-up, it acts
>likes a Mouse Systems mouse.                    ^^^^^^^^

>while in Microsoft mode the middle button is useless.  However under
>linux/X11 it always appears to be a Microsoft mouse, even when I hold
>a button down during bootup.
                      ^^^^^^
Just a thought: the mouse checks the button press when power is
applied. It has no way of knowing that you (warm) boot the computer;
you have to cycle the power to change the mode.

--
Johan Myreen
jem@cs.hut.fi
From: gthaker@fergie.dnet.ge.com (Gautam H. Thaker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: why "time a.out" does not work?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:30:44 GMT
Organization: /home/gthaker/.organization

I am running LInux 0.96c. Why does the bash shell not understand
the "time a.out" command (where a.out is some valid command)? 
It says "time" not found.

Gautam H. Thaker (gthaker@atl.ge.com) 609-866-6412 (fax x6397. Dialcom 8-777)
GE Adv. Tech. Lab., MS 145-2; Route 38; Moorestown, NJ 08057.  767-4396 (home)
--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: ANNOUNCE: The Linux Base System
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:18:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Oct5.201812.9714
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

This is the Linux Base System, HJ release. It is linked with jump table
4.1. You should use it with my bootable root disks since the Linux Base
System has no shared images, which are required by all the binaries in
it. It has 3 minix disks. It can fit in either 5.25" or 3.5" floppy. It
is great as the system backup.

It is on tsx-11.mit.edu under pub/linux/GCC/basedisk.


A. Disk 1 (base1.Z)

It has /bin, /dev and /etc. Since ps stuffs are kernel dependent, you
should use the ones come with my bootable root disk.

In /bin, there are fileutils 3.3, shellutils 1.7, textutils 1.3, gnu
tar 1.10, ldd 1.1, compress 4.2.3, bash 1.12, zsh 2.20, doshell, fdisk
0.93, admutil 1.3, poeigl 1.6 and setfdprm.

In /etc, there are init/getty and other related stuffs,
mount/umount/swapon and LILO 0.5.


B. Disk 2 (base2.Z)

It has /usr. There are diff 1.15, find 3.7, grep 1.6, fgrep 1.1,
gnu make 3.62, gawk 2.13.2, flex 2.3.7, bison 1.18, patch 2.0.12u7,
sed 1.09, elvis 1.6, minicom 1.3.2, rzsz (This one may only work with
minicom.), more, setterm, od, strings and uuencode/uudecode.


C. Disk 3 (base3.Z)

This disk is basically a developement disk wihout compiler and library.
It has /usr. There are crt0.o/gcrt0.o, gdb 4.6, as, ar, gprof, ld, nm,
objdump, ranlib, size and strip

To install them on your hard drive.

1. uncompress base[1|2|3].Z.
2. rawrite or dd it to a floppy disk.

Now you have made a copy of Linux Base System on floppy. To copy it to
your hd, you should mount the floppy first and copy the disk. That is

mount /dev/fd[0|1] /mnt
cd /mnt
for d in bin dev etc usr
do
  if [ -d $d ]; then
    cp -av $d /
  fi
done


Thanks.

H.J.
hlu@eecs.wsu.edu
10/02/09
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ramesh@utdallas.edu (R. Ramesh)
Subject: Please explain the clock/timing values in Xconfig
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:30:26 GMT


Hi:

   As the title says I am trying to get a better picture of Xconfig. So I
would appreciate if those who know answers to the following kindly share
it with me/us. To get maximum benefit out of the questions, I am going to pose
them in a very naive/silly/stupid way.

1) What do clock values stand for. If they are frequencywhat is the basic
   units for them? Hz, Khz, Mhz? How are they obtained for a given video card?
   How are they used by the video card in driving the monitor? Will the clock
   value of a video card change with the monitor connected to it?

2) What are timing values? Again in what units are they specified? Is there
   a specific relationship between clock and timing values? In other words,
   can any clock timing value combination possible with a video card? Finally,
   how are the timing values used by the video card/x-server in driving the
   monitor. Will the clock+timing combination change with same card and
   different monitors.

3) What are video modes and what code (in hex, octal or decimal) stands for
   what mode? How does one obtain the clock+timing values for 
   given monitor, video card and chosen video mode combination.

4) If there are documents which explains all of the above where are they 
   located?

BTW, I looked at the FAQ in tsx-11 and also in the files in
tsx-11:packages/X11/devel directory. I ran clock.exe and timings.exe yet my
questions are not clearly answered with what I did. The bottom line is
I cannot get my diamond speedstar+NEC 5FG to go X with 1024x768NI mode.
I can only get interlaced modes at these resolutions. In fact clock.exe
produces rubbish values. and timing.exe says my mode 38H  is 1024x768
Interlaced. So I am lost. My earlier postings to the net did not fetch ANY
explanation at all. 

Folks, please take a couple of minutes answering these
questions - I know it is painful, but if you develop software that only a
elite few can use even with identical hardware it is not much of use. No, I am
not talking about Xv2.0beta but Xv1.1.

Ramesh

PS> I have  very sensitive eyes and cannot bear interlaced modes (that is why
    I spent $1.3K for the monitor that can do 1280x1024 with refresh rates
    all the way upto 74Hz.)
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