From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Why freedom of information must be garenteed!!! [sic]
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:46:18 GMT
Organization: UB

rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:

>The number one difference that I can see between animals and humans is that
>humans are civialized and animals are not (no spelling flames please!).  To
>be civilalized means that you can act above what Mother Nature wants and
>change your behavior.  If we can't do that then why don't we just get rid of
>all intelectual things and go back to hunting with our hands and teeth.

Nooooooo. You have it wrong.  Yes we are capable of the occasional good deed,
but when it comes down to it we are still just as ruthless as animals.  Yes
we can change our behavior.  I can quit smoking or what not...What we can't do
is change human nature.  We have for all time been one of the most warlike 
species.  We have always seen nothing wrong with sticking it to our neighbour
once in a while.  Society is built on a Dogeatdog type of philosophy.
Civilized is a relative term.  Yes we have microwave ovens, but too we have
knives.  

>to prevent coruption and includded all the people in decions so that no
>would be ruling over any one else then I belive life would be much more
>worth living.  Granted, this would take incredable amount of effort and
>some would have to change there ways.  I think that cyberspace would
>assist in this grately because you would need very fast comunications to
>include everyone in the desions and that would be easiest in cyberspace.

ALL would have to change their ways.  Why do Utopian colonies fail?  Why
does communism not work?  BECAUSE WE ARE ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!
And if you think that the poor can rule anything for shit you're in for a 
shock.  It the poor (and thus frequently uneducated) took over all that would
come of it would be destruction of something that we have been working on 
for hundereds of centuries...Technology.

>In the past the poor have been bared from fast communication and didn't have
>accses to the information nessary to realise that things could be different. 
>With the invention of things like the TV, they are becoming aware that the
>rich just might not have the right to screw them over.  In the past people
>were tought by religion and by ethnisity that the way things are, are the way
>things have been, should be, and always will be. They are realising the truth!

Realising the truth?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  No one...NO ONE knows the truth.  
The system is far too big for any one street walker to understand.  The media
does, has and always will LIE!  You think that the truth will spontaneously
spring out of nowhere?  Perhaps it is stuck to the bottom of your shoe...best
to look there for that is as good a lead as anyone has to finding something
that doesn't exist.


>> that 60's recycled hippie trash!

>I don't really think it's hippie trash since most of the leftist thinking in
>those days only liked comunisim and I don't agree with athoritarian forms
>of government.  But since I wasn't around back then I may be wrong.

Youre wrong.  Hippies were for the most part not communists.  They were
trying to reach a state of utopia which in some measily theory by some
idiot named Karl Mark is touched on.  But like heaven...there are many ideas
of how to reach a non-existant goal. 

Give it up...
Peace doesn't exits

-Idbil Fubar 
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