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From: gcouger@olesun.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger)
Subject: Re: Migraine headaches without the pain?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:51:17 GMT

In article <Bw6vCH.Lnz@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>In article <9874@fs3.cam.nist.gov>, crosson@cam.nist.gov (Robert Crosson) writes...
>>Recently a neighbor's 6-year-old girl was remarking "Uh oh,
>>my head's getting smaller again."  Her concerned parents took
>>her to a doctor who sent them to a neurologist.  He said he
>>though the girl was suffering from migraine headaches without
>>the pain.  They were affecting her vision, which let to her
>>comment.
>> 
>>Are migraine headaches without the pain possible?  Are there places
>>to take this little girl for specialized treatment?
>> 
>Good question.  I have a friend who gets what sounds to me like a 
>"body migraine" but there is no head pain.  The main symptom is 
>he gets extremely tired for no apparent reason.  
>
>Anyone ever hear of "body migraines"?
>
>- Peggy -

Painless body migraine 
I have been troubled with migraines for many years. They are often 
painless and affect the coordination in my right side and affect my 
vision. If I over work they will turn into  cluster headaches sometimes 
with amazing regularity for the better part of a week I would get a
full visual aura and loose a substantial portion of my vision for about 30
minutes general followed by pain always by substantial reduction in
mental function.

The best luck I have had is with verapamil at 120 mg per day 
( I weigh 240 pounds ).  I don't take it on a regular basis only when 
I start have problems on a daily basis. 


The migraines are apparently inherited both my mother and son have them.

I try to get along on as little medication as possible and not 
make unnecessary stress for myself.

Gordon Couger 
AB5Dg   Agriculture Engineering Oklahoma State University 
gcouger@olesun.agen.okstate.edu 405-744-6514 day 744-2794 evenings
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Peroxide and the bubbling reaction?
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:57:45 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Oct08.152150.96426@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>Why is it that peroxide bubbles when it is placed on a cut?
>
>(I've been told that it is a sign that it is killing germs,
>but I think that it is a reaction with the blood.)
>

Some component of blood, probably hemoglobin, catalyzes the breakdown of
2(H2O2) -> 2(H2O) + O2.

-dk
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Subject: Prostate Production Level
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:58:50 GMT


Sorry if this is a FAQ, but are there diet modifications that can be made
to alter prostate production levels (e.g. take a certain vitamin)?


Thanks.

Larry
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Whither sci.med?
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:54:03 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <Bvr6Ht.KB0@world.std.com> jelia@world.std.com (Joe J Elia) writes:
>As a medical editor, I welcome the chance to communicate with
>clinicians (we publish Journal Watch, AIDS Clinical Care, and
>other stuff). I'd surely spend more time on a non-advice-only
>group.

I avoided sci.med for several years because of the advice-seeking
and crazy ideas that are expoused here. But I started reading some
of the advice-seeking requests and started responding to some of
the ones that were for general information (i.e. "I've been told
I have disease XYZ but the doctor didn't explain it to me."). I
try to avoid the "What causes pain in the left arm?" type of
question, as well as the whiners. But lately, it seems that anything
you post sets off World War III among PEOPLE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER,
and I am very close to simply taking sci.med out of my .newsrc.
It's either the crazies or me, and I know who outnumbers whom.

I would definitely be interested in a newsgroup or mailing list to
communicate with other clinicians. The possibilities for arm-chair
consultation are enormous. As access to nets increase, it really
might be feasible for docs isolated out in the boonies to get some
decent information from specialists this way. Of course, the lawyers
might ruin this for us...

 -km
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Gamma hydroxy butyrate =?= Human Growth Hormone releaser
Keywords: Human Growth Hormone releaser
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:42:51 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct12.014913.0233260@locus.com> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:

>Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw recommend strongly against using the stuff,
>if that holds any sway with you.  They related a very dangerous experience
>with it in their newsletter a few years ago.
>
>Pearson was using it for growth hormone release and reported that it
>induced "hypnogogic nightmares".  He described this as a violent
>dream wherein you had to attack stomething.  Simultaneously, tho,
>the brain's mechanism for immobilizing you while you're dreaming
>was disabled.  So while still quite "asleep", he was thrashing around
>violently in bed.

Probably a little overdramatic.  Hypnogognic hallucinations are
not really uncommon.  Many people have had them from time to
time.  Narcoleptics have them regularly.  I myself had one after
a long transcontinental flight.  I thought a burglar was in
my hotel room and jumped out of bed, smashing a pillow into
a blank wall in a silly attempt to bean him with it.  They probably
indicate disturbance of the sleep cycle, which overdoses of
certain substances such as this may promote.  



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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:49:56 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|In article <1992Oct7.122825.13082@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
||> 	The one with the problem grew, ran, played.  The one WITHOUT
||> 	the problem was tired, sickly, etc., etc.  All a result
||> 	of this medicine.

|If this is the same TRUE story I read about, the child with
|the congenital heart defect was the one who was sickly and
|eventually died.  After her death the switch was discovered
|and the parents attempted to get their genetically-related
|daughter back.

And now we are being offered TV movies of the week as documentary
evidence.   What's next, the World Weekly News?

=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
              N1MNF  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
                     |					-- S. J. Perelman
From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Flame wars on sci.med
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:08:03 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


>Hope this doesn't disappoint any of you who have enjoyed fighting
>with me over the net.  

Geez is this UNFAIR or what? Gordon, I have been fighting with you
for twelve years now every place but the net! I was looking forward to
fighting with you here at some point. And now you wimp out. 

To discuss this same issue, I would like to point out that I rarely
deliberately get into fights with people on the net, and I have ignored
some tremendous bait at times. However, I do think I have been less
selective recently, partly in response to some postings that just
struck me as preposterous, if not actually dangerous. I realize that
my postings come across as some haughty doctor to some people, and
my attempts at humor at times sail by some ports without docking.

Besides, at this point all I really care about is the playoff game
tonight. I can't stand to see the Buccos go down three years in a
row.

 -km
From: stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: My wife drank during her pregnancy and the baby lived!
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:38:03 GMT
Reply-To: stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct11.045815.4727@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:

>pregnancy dates to about 1985.  At that time, a group of researchers was
>studying the effects of alcohol on baboon fetuses, as an approach to fetal
>alcohol syndrome.  Early on, they attempted to find an answer to the most
>basic and obvious question: how much alcohol crosses the placenta?  To do
>so, they dissected out the umbilical cord of an in-utero baboon fetus
>(putting the mother under anesthesia, I assume), then administered a
>shot of grain alcohol (via naso-gastric tube, if I recall correctly).
>They started drawing blood samples from the cord.
>
>The result?  No alcohol!  What's even more amazing, no blood!  The umbilical
>cord shut down, becoming visibly empty of blood for some time.  The

Was this published?  Do you have a reference?
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From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Bladder infection - pains
Date: 08 Oct 92 20:01
Organization: Magick Shoppe, Gurth City

smithw@physc1.byu.edu writes:
> A collegue visiting from France is staying at my home for the
> next few weeks and is having some medical problems.  Since he
> is reluctant to seek medical help right now, I thought I would
> ask about his problems here.  Apparently about a month or so
> ago, he noticed that his urine was malordorous.  He finally went 
> to see a physician just before leaving and it was determined
> that he had some kind of urinary tract infection.  He started
> taking medication which as best as I can determine is some kind
> of combination sulfa drug.  The drug was prescribed for 10 days
> and he arrived here on day  2  of taking the medication.

In any case one should take a drug against bladder infection for
the prescribed 10 days.  Stopping the therapy is a sure way to
keep the infection going and increases the risk of producing
resistant bacteriae which are hard to kill.

> He has no fever and its my guess he has some prostate inflamation
> related to the infection or the drug??

The infection just hasn't ended... I guess.

> Then today, he said he woke up early (3 a.m.) with stomach pains
> which he says he recognized as typical of his ulcer pain which ulcer
> has recurred from time to time over the past 6 or 7 years it seems.
> He's poping  Rolaids or something now to control this pain (which
> they seem to do).

With any sulfonamides or antibiotics it's important to drink a lot,
not only after taking the pills, but through the whole therapy.  This
decreases load on kidneys and stomach and helps with getting rid of
the infection.

Good luck  --ralf
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Vitamins and the FDA (Pt. 1 of 3): Viewpoint
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:07:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <BvrJyn.BEI@ddsw1.mcs.com> starkid@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Lance Sanders) writes:
>>   The UCLA study concluded that: "Based on our analyses, the inverse 
>>relation of total mortality to vitamin C intake is stronger and more 
>>consistent in this population than the relation of total mortality to 
>>serum cholesterol and dietary fat intake."
>
      much deleted
>
>   "The large drop in cardiovascular death rates since the late 1960's 
>added validity to our findings. The decline in deaths from heart disease 
>and heart attacks, a trend that has been particularly pronounced among men, 
>coincided with large population-wide increases in the consumption of 
>vitamin supplements containing vitamin C."
>

Claims that a large consumption of vitamin C can reduce risk of
cardiovascular disease and other diseases are greatly exaggerated. 

The data shows there is an association between increased dietary
vitamin C and improved health, but the data does not show that 
increased dietary vitamin C is the primary cause.

In reality, it is proof that a low-fat, high fiber diet is the cause
of improved health, and an increase in dietary vitamin C is the
misleading association.

People with lots of vitamin C in their diet are people who eat lots
of fruit, vegetables, whole grains, and beans. When you eat lots of
these food groups, you get lots of of vitamin C and fiber. In addition,
you eat less meat, fish, and diary products, which are not part of
a low-fat diet, and contain no vitamin C.

Misleading reports about the merits of vitamin C supplements are a
consequence of laypersons like the editors of Time Magazine trying
to interpret clinical data. It implies, for example, that one may
obtain the benefits of a low-fat diet by taking a vitamin supplement
without actually following a low-fat diet. They don't understand the
difference between cause and association when looking at data.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn)
Subject: Re: Potato as folk remedy for eye burns?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:26:14 GMT

In article <Bvszry.BKI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dl10697@ehsn3.cen.uiuc.edu (Duc Trieu Le) writes:

>for severe burns, I heard one can apply Vitamin E lotion (natural form)
>for a while over the burnt skin to prevent scarring of the flesh.
>I heard the vitamin is somehow used by the cells during mitosis.
>I don't know if this is true, but Vitamin is in most skin care lotion nowadays.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your comments, one might 
ask if Vitamin E is added to most skin care lotion products because
it is actually beneficial or because it is a current fad.  I don't know
the answer--just asking.  Are topically applied vitamins truly absorbed
into the system?

                                           |
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(305/797-2446)                           / | \     Ft. Lauderdale, Fl 33313
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From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:53:06 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct6.214650.21835@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson) writes:

>How can people be so cruel to children?

While we are on this thread, I must mention a 5 year child I took care
of many years ago when I was a medical student. She had congenital
heart problems and her mother had refused corrective surgery several
times. She came to the hospital in congestive heart failure, and I
was there when she arrested and died. That was the moment that I
decided I could never go into pediatrics.


 -km
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Problem Patient"
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:07:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <16849@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:

>In article <BvpuAw.5Gq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:

>>... But what I am interested in is whether the doctor is a clod,
>>a routine mechanic, or a real thinker. 

>You should be able to tell this by what specialty he/she is in.
>Don't you remember the story about the doctors hunting ducks?

>(Don't flame me if you're a humor-impaired surgeon. Or a psychiatrist.)

This assumes that everybody in a given "specialty" is equally competent.
This is certainly false.

Also, someone can be an excellent routine mechanic, and still not be able
to deal with a difficult problem.  On the other hand, a real thinker may
not be very good in an emergency situation.  

And there are even times when a clod may be appropriate.  When one takes
a car in for a routine oil change, one does not need either a good routine
mechanic nor a real thinker.  Nor should one have to pay for one.

It may be that some specialties have strong enough standards to rule out the
clods.  But nothing which I have seen about medicine indicates that there is
much emphasis on the turning out of real thinkers, the Sherlocks who can see
what the overspecialists miss, and the Mycrofts who can see what even the
Sherlocks miss.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
From: James_S._Bright.wbst129@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: UR library
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:19:26 GMT
Reply-To: JBright.Wbst129@xerox.com


Thanks to all who responded by posts and email. I just wanted to send out a
thank you note because I'm not sure I can reach everyone by email (some
addresses get messed up in Xerox's translation).

I should be able to just walk right in there. If not, some people have been
kind enough to give me some alternatives (a local county library card my
suffice. Since I'm not in the same county I'll have to get one, but that
shouldn't be a problem.) And if I can't get info there, there's always
Syracuse's library (which is almost the same distance from my house as
Rochester -- get the idea that I live in the boonies?)

Again, thanks.

I'd also like to take a moment to add my two cents on a related thread (Re: ken
mitchum, please don't leave). I have great respect for those of you who post
information, especially since you do it on your own free time (Ken, Steve, Mark
(many thanks Mark for all the info you have given me), Gordon, and many
others). Just another voice saying that I appreciate hearing what you have to
say. [If this is a re-post of my thank yous, sorry. Wasn't sure if the first
letter went]

disclaimer: These views are strictly my own, are not meant to represent
Xerox, its associates, my parents, my school, nor my pet fish.
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:25:45 GMT
	<BvnH47.Mup@acsu.buffalo.edu> <16824@pitt.UUCP>
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

In article <16824@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:

   Actually, there are many degrees of vascular headaches, from
   hardly noticible (I get these if I stay up too late the night before)
   to intolerable migraines.  Many migraine sufferers find that not
   only do their terrible headaches go away with treatment but also
   their milder ones that they sometimes have almost daily.  They
   can just be variants of the same thing.

Not that Dr. Banks needs any support, but this matches my experience.
I very rarely get the totally intolerable headaches any more; however,
more minor ones are fairly common.  I also sometimes get neurological
symptoms that often accompany a migraine, but without the pain;
specifically, a left side weakness and a significant eyelid droop.
Occasionally, I will get visual symptoms in addition.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
Xref: sparky sci.med:18790 sci.med.nutrition:819
From: richard@octel.com (Richard Karasik)
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:44:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: octel.1992Oct8.174449.24296
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1992Oct7.153026.27491@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.221857.14985@octel.com> richard@octel.com (Richard Karasik) writes:
>>Lets take another cut at this - First of all will anyone who knows
>>the mechanism of the action of aspirin please step forward and describe it -
>>preferably Steve Dyer -who claims that it is well known.
>>I would like to know this and others might also ..
>
>Look it up--I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.  I've talked
>about this tens of times on sci.med in the past 7-8 years.
      Bully for you -then resurrect one and mail it to me please.
>
>>Second -less is more is less etc.
>>   Take a look at electrical fields. At a certain field strength
>>   they cause no changes to cells. A little stronger, and the
>>   cells can mutate to neonatal forms, stronger still, and the cells
>>   will "resist" the field almost like a virus encysts, stronger still
>>   and you plain fry the cell.
>
>What is this guy _talking about_?  The only electric field he's ever
>experienced comes from sitting in front of his terminal or TV set.
>What he's describing is gibberish.  Which is about the only thing it
>has in common with homeopathy.

   What makes you a raving lunatic ... Try looking into the effects of
   electric fields on bone healing. Oh and by the way -look it up
   Ive talked about it with friends and medicos for years ...

   RIchard
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: swami1@troy.uucp (22535-swaminathan)
Subject: Re: Potato as folk remedy for eye burns?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:33:08 GMT

In article <1ae4l0INNm00@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>
>My optometrist told me today that welders have told her a good rememdy
>for flash burns of the eyes is to rub them with (presumably raw) potato.

That is really interesting!
Where I grew up (half way around the world), the home remedy for any
burn is to apply ground-up potato on the burn directly. This
applies to any surface, not just the eye. We still do it, just use
the blender to grind up the potato piece with skin and it is so soothing.
I think it even heals faster.

(I hope steve dyer gets a burn and tries this remedy before he
responds to this post:8)