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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:10:28 EDT
From:         gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 24

In this issue:
   (From: BITNET%"gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu") GayNet Digest Volume 6

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:43 EST
From: "Ernest J. Gainey III/Help Us Captain Planet!"
 <GAINEY03%SNYBUFVA.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: (From: BITNET%"gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu") GayNet Digest Volume 6
 Issue 20
X-Organization: from SUNY College at Buffalo, NY 14222

In this issue:
                          Bisexuality & US law
                                 Chilis
                            No Subject Given
                             Wildmon Defeat
                          Hey ... Take it easy
                          San Diego Boy Scouts
                      BarPhone online (bug fixed)
                              Miss Manners
                Village People Come to Charlottesville!
                          Dan Quayle's Choice
                     LEAGUE/AT&T national officers
                             Dolph Lundgren
                         elemtary school books
                               L.L. Bean
                    Herstory Archives Talk in Boston
                     Newsweek Poll: Gays Under Fire
        Irish President to Host Lesbian and Gay Representatives
                          That LL Bean Number
                  The L.L. Bean controversy rages on!
                       law protecting bisexuals?
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            Removal of my name from the gaynet mailing list

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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:32:05 EDT
From: Michael Montgomery <MICHAEL@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Bisexuality & US law

Yesterday <jnrg@ocf.berkeley.edu> asked in connection with California AB
2601's inclusion of protection of bisexual persons against discrimination:
"Does actual signed legislation exist anywhere which already protects
bisexuals?"

The short answer is yes.  I'm not a lawyer or a law librarian, but a quick
search of LEXIS (an online legal reference service) shows that five of the
six states with "gay rights laws" (Wis., Mass., Hawaii, Vt., and N.J.) all
specify bisexuality as one of the protected sexual orientations; the sixth
(Conn.) I suspect does as well, but LEXIS doesn't seem to include their new
law as yet.  References to bisexuality occur here and there in various other
statutes in various other states as well (for which consult a *real* legal
researcher), but not with regard to protections, as far as I can tell.

It appears that bisexuality is specifically defined for the first time in
the N.J. law signed by Gov. Jim Florio last Jan. 19.  The definitions of the
three "affectional or sexual orientations" protected by the new law are of
considerable interest, I think.  Here they are:

"'Heterosexuality' means affectional, emotional or physical attraction or
behavior which is primarily directed towards persons of the other gender."

"'Homosexuality' means affectional, emotional or physical attraction or
behavior which is primarily directed towards persons of the same gender."

"'Bisexuality' means affectional, emotional or physical attraction or
behavior which is directed towards persons of either gender."

What we have here (and correct me if I'm wrong) is a crude attempt to codify
Kinsey's sexual orientation scale wherein we have the Kinsey 5 and 1 (those
who are "predominantly" homo- or heterosexual "but only incidentally" hetero-
or homosexual) and the Kinsey 4 and 2 (those who are "predominantly" homo- or
heterosexual "but more than incidentally" hetero- or homosexual), along with
the "exclusively heterosexual" 0, the "exclusively homosexual" 6, and the 3
who is "equally heterosexual and homosexual."  I suspect that N.J.'s "pri-
marily" derives more or less directly from Kinsey's "predominantly."  The
inclusion of affectional as well as sexual attraction also derives I think
from the same page in _Sexual Behavior in the Human Male_ (1948).

But look what we have: N.J.'s "heterosexual" is Kinsey's 0-2, our "homo-
sexual" is Kinsey's 4-6, and the Jersey bi is--what? a perfect 3? 1-5? 0-6
(depending whom we're with or our mood at the time)?  Admirably vague, I
think.  (I didn't notice that "gender" is defined in this statute, but the
word is used in these definitions as synonymous with biological sex--which
not the meaning I usually attach to it. . . .  Imagine the possibilities for
a smart genderfuck lawyer in N.J.!  ;-) )

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Date: 11 Sep 1992 09:17:13 -0500 (EST)
From: HARKINS%BUTLERU.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Subject: Chilis
Mime-Version: 1.0

MPA15AB!RANDY@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com writes:

>I didn't think the Peppers were gay, I was just wondering about their conduct,
>especially the simulated sucking on the lecturn.

Anyone else seen the video for "Give It Away"? There's a 1-second or so
shot of the 4 moving in toward the center of the screen and giving each
other a quick smak on the lips. And what's that line about the brother
"drinking my juice"? Hmm? I can't help wondering myself...

James Harkins -- HARKINS@BUTLERU.BITNET

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:21:10 PST
From: Tim Valdez <tjvaldez@CAPNET.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: No Subject Given

          please add me to your mailing list.

          tvvaldez@capnet.ucla.edu

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Date:    Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:55 PDT
From: Ron Biduk                            <ECZ5RAB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Wildmon Defeat

According to an article which appeared in yesterday's L.A. Times, a federal
judge in Aberdeen, Miss, ruled late Tuesday against the Rev. Donald Wildmon
and his efforts to halt U.S. theatrical and television release of "Damned in
the U.S.A., a British documentary on recent American censorship battles.

Producers Paul Yule and Jonathan Stack are now free to proceed with plans to
have the film realeased theatrically with subsequent television airings
possibly in 1993.

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 09:58:23 CDT
From: tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU (Terence P. Ma)
Subject: Hey ... Take it easy

Hey folks ...

Come on now.  The list was just moved to a new site.  With ANY software
there is going to be some changes and a little time to get things up
and running.  For the Computer Science folks out there, how long did it
take to iron out the individual little bits of a new operating system
for your individual site or for an individual machine (like a Sun
SPARCStation, for example)?  Furthermore, since the moderator does NOT
necessarily READ the Digests, don't you think it might be a better idea
to send your comments to the administrative address
"gaynet-request@gallifrey.kent.edu"?

Regards!
Tere
--
Terence P. Ma, Ph.D.            Department of Anatomy
VOICE:     601-984-1654         University of Mississippi Med. Ctr.
FAX:       601-984-1655         2500 North State Street
INTERNET:  tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU  Jackson, MS 39216-4505

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Date: 11 Sep 92 07:44:22
From: CJones <CJones.MAILROOM@wylbur.ucla.edu>
Subject: San Diego Boy Scouts

                      San Diego Boy Scouts
I saw last night on the news (KCAL Channel 9 in LA) that the San Diego County
Council of the BSA is in a little bit of hot water with the city.  The council
leases land from the city for its offices and aquatics facility.  Last summer,
the city manager informed the council that by discriminating against gays, they
were violating the city's anti-discrimination law (called the "Human Dignity"
law.  Cool name!).  The city manager said that he really didn't put much more
thought into it until an Explorer advisor came out and was then kicked out.  It
turns out that this man is also a San Diego police officer, and now the city
manager is pissed.  (No time for a discussion on double standards here)  He's
investigating what kind of recourse the city has.

Any additional information from Gaynetters in San Diego would be appreciated!

 Chad Jones
 Former Boy Scout and Scout Camp Employee
 UCLA Department of Physiological Science
 cjones@kines.ucla.edu
 (send mail to the above address, otherwise it might bounce!)

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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:13:17 EDT
From: Brian McConnell <BMCCONNE@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      BarPhone online (bug fixed)

To anyone who tried reaching us earlier this week to do a sample search,
a minor bug (one line of code) kept you from getting into the search
service. This problem has been fixed, and everything is working swimmingly.

If you call this weekend, service may be spotty. We just got our T-1
installed, and will be testing everything this weekend and early next
week on it. We officially flip the switch on Thursday.

Also, new things in the skunk works. Car phone users will be able to
locate events and listings indexed by interstate. Our goal is to have
this online along side everything else on Thursday.

Again, please call us at (703)951-4433 for a demo. Please share your
feedback, and please spread the word to other organizations and
businesses in your area.

Thanx,
Brian

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Loren Meissner <lmeissne@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Miss Manners
Mime-Version: 1.0

The Miss Manners column that mentioned "gays in the military" seems to have
received at least 3-4 different interpretations. I wrote Miss Manners
expressing my views on my interpretation of it. Perhaps I should write her
again to ask her to clarify what her point was in making her "gays in
military" reference.
As least we have determined one thing: The meaning of the column was
unclear. I would encourage as many of you as possible to write and ask
her to clarify what she was saying.
 The address I have is Miss Manners
P O Box 91428
Cleveland, OH 44101-3428

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:45:32 EDT
Subject: Village People Come to Charlottesville!

Howdy!
     The *original* Village People ("Y.M.C.A.," "Macho Man," etc.), our own
openly queer disco icons from the 70s, are performing live and in person
tomorrow night (Saturday, 12 Sept.) at Memorial Gymnasium at the University
of Virginia in Charlottesville, for the annual Yellow Journal Disco Ball.
(The YJ is the U.Va. satire mag.)  Tickets are $8.50 at the door.  DJ starts
the thumpa-thumpa at 9:00 p.m., with the People coming on later.
     Come here and be queer!
     For directions, e-mail me.  See you there!

Marky Mark
******************************************************************************Ma
 rk Hertzog                       *         ACTION
Militant Homosexual Agitator       *              CHANGES
University of Virginia             *                   ATTITUDES!

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:39:28 CST
From: M-HAMM@vm1.spcs.umn.edu
Subject: Dan Quayle's Choice

Subject: Dan Quayle's Choice

Ever since Robin Williams described Dan Quayle as "one taco short of a
combination plate...", I've always dismissed Quayle's public mumblings,
particularly the ones lately.  But I am curious, I am the only one out
here who looks at the man and just KNOWS there's something hidden?
I would normally dismiss it as a knee-jerk reaction on my part, but
since he's been mouthing off so much (hence I've heard him more),
I'd be willing to bet money that there is some gay experience lurking
in his past.

Does anyone else have this intuition?

Mark

(no flashy sig file, alas).

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From: sfm@post.att.com
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:46 EDT
Original-From: post!sfm (Stephen F Mershon +1 908 582 3511)
Subject: LEAGUE/AT&T national officers

                PRESS RELEASE: For immediate distribution
                          September 10, 1992

       LEAGUE (Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual United Employees at AT&T)
       held its first election of national officers on August 3, 1992.
       Delegates from the eighteen LEAGUE chapters in 12 states across
       the country (CA, CO, DC, FL, GA, IL, MA, MN, NJ, OH, PA, and TX)
       elected Kathleen Dermody and Arturo Nava as co-chairs.  With
       the leadership of Dermody and Nava, LEAGUE will foster a work
       environment at AT&T that is inclusive and supportive of lesbian,
       bisexual, and gay employees.  After all, AT&T's opportunity for
       success depends on all of our employees performing and developing
       to their full potential.  Dermody and Nava can provide additional
       information about LEAGUE (Kathleen Dermody, 55 Corporate Drive,
       Bridgewater, NJ 08807, 908/658-6013, kathleen.dermody@att.com;
       Arturo Nava, 1600 Osgood Street, North Andover, MA 01845,
       508/960-6795, arturo.nava@att.com).

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Date: Friday, 11 September 92 12:30:04 CST
From: LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Dolph Lundgren

Greetings all!
Here's a line from a video review of the Dolph Lundgren-Brandon Lee film
"Showdown in Little Tokyo" released last year:
<Lundgren wears small underwear and Lee comments "That's the biggest dick
<I've ever seen on a man!"  (Psychotronic Film Magazine, September issue).
Try to read between the lines on that one statement.

Richard Foster

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Date:    Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:33:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: HARRINGTONL@hartwick.edu
Subject: elemtary school books

        On the topic of New York State public schools approving lgb reading
literature for children, one of our members teaches at an elementary school.
He was surprised that not only when one of his students asked if Tchaikovski
was gay, but when he told his student to learn more about T. in one of the
library books, the book contained a whole PAGE on T.'s homosexuality.  THis
---When our member asked the librarian if she knew about it, she said sure and
they had more books on order like "I Have Two Daddies", etc.  It's really
encouraging to see such a small town (Otego School District) in the Catskill
Mountains to carry such material and be so encouraging about it!

Laura Harrington

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:09:49 EDT
From: Tim Pierce <twpierce@cs.amherst.edu>
Subject: L.L. Bean

John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu> said:

> An uncomfortable idea struck me as I was reading your post about Linda
> Bean's anti-GLB activities and your decision to drop your patronization of
> the LLBean business as a result.  If the homophobia is not a company
> policy, but a personal one pertaining to one board member, is it just to
> punish the company?

If it were I making that decision, whether punishing the company would
be *just* would be a low-priority question.  Certainly, if L.L. Bean
had a strongly gay-positive record of supporting NGLTF, HRCF, and so
on, I would be hard-pressed to boycott on the basis of Linda Bean's
activities.  If that's not the case, however, I don't think I really
care about L.L. Bean.  I want to have as little do with Linda Bean as
possible, and if my dissociating with *her* hurts the company as a
whole, that's something the company has to decide whether they care
about.

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____ Tim Pierce                / The Queer Resources Directory: access via
\  / twpierce@cs.amherst.edu   / anonymous ftp at nifty.andrew.cmu.edu in
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / directory /pub/QRD.

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From: alapidow@opal.tufts.edu
Subject: Herstory Archives Talk in Boston
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:22:47 GMT

Hi out there. I'm sorry i don't have the complete information, but
perhaps someone out in net land does. Anyway, the herstory archives
people are giving a talk on women in the health fields Oct. 17th
at 7 pm.  The tickets are ten dollars and it is sponsored by
the glb group from Simmons College (Boston).

Amy at Tufts Health Sciences Library

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Newsweek Poll: Gays Under Fire
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:23:39 GMT

Chris Petrilli <petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu> writes:

<results of poll deleted>

Thanks for typing in the article, Chris! [I guess we should have co-ordinated
so that we both didn't do it. But, anyway, you included this latter part which
I forgot...]


>                    A RECORD OF GAINS---AND PAINS

>States with statutes outlawing sodomy (including nine that prohibit
>only homosexual sodomy):

>        24
PLUS the District Of Columbia. But wait a minute, didn't we figure out easrlier
this year that there are SIX states that have homosexual only sodomy laws?

>Openly gay elected officials nationwide--congressmen, judges, mayors,
>city councilors:

>        61
Now THIS is an interesting number. I wish we knew the breakdown of Mayors, Judg
es, et cetera...

>Gay and lesbian organizations nationwide, including political, social,
>activists and student groups:

>        1,580
This is REALLY interesting because STUDENT GROUPS make up about 600 of those
organisations....

I really wonder where they got their info from...
--
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
 ``Friends don't let friends vote Republican.'' :-)

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Irish President to Host Lesbian and Gay Representatives
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:27:41 GMT

"Cathal Kelly, Dept ECE, Uni. Limerick, Ireland" <KELLYC@ul.ie> writes:

>Limerick, Ireland -  8 September 1992

>Irish President to Host Lesbian and Gay Representatives

>by Cathal Kelly

>The President of Ireland, Mrs Mary Robinson has invited representatives
>of the lesbian and gay community in Ireland to visit her at her official
>residence in the Phoenix Park, Dublin next December.


Thanks for letting us know about activities going on in Ireland, Cathal!

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
 ``Friends don't let friends vote Republican.'' :-)

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Subject: That LL Bean Number
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:33:53 -0400
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

Just found it in Emily Rizzo's post to soc.motss...

Their customer service toll free number is 1-800-341-4341.

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: The L.L. Bean controversy rages on!
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:14:21 GMT

Larry Bliss <BLISS@MAINE.maine.edu> writes:

>Linda sits on the LL Bean board by virtue of her birth.  ALL Bean
>cousins are members of the board and shareholders.  But LL Bean does
>have a non-discrimination policy that they don't publicly advertise.

>If more people called them, they would be forced to "come out" as
>liberal and repudiate Linda.  Thanks to Braddlee, and the rest of you
>should consider doing the same.  The LL Bean 800 number is open
>24 hours a day, so you can wake up in the middle of the night and
>call them.  Those of us in Maine would certainly appreciate it!
Could you repost the 800 number for LL BEAN again? Thanks...

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
 ``Friends don't let friends vote Republican.'' :-)

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:16 EST
Subject: law protecting bisexuals?
From: An Anonymous Sender

Jessea asked if there were a law anywhere which specifically
offered protection to bisexuals along w/lesbians and gay men.
If I'm not mistaken (and it is quite possible that I am), I think
the city of Boston's queer rights law (which predates that of the
state of MA) prohibits discrimination based upon sexual orientation,
and defines sexual orientation as real or perceive homosexuality,
bisexuality, or heterosexuality.  This came in handy when bigot John
Silber, president of Boston Univ who ran for gov of MA, always refused
to add sexual orientation to BU's non-discrimination policy, giving as
his reason that such an addition would protect rapists and child molesters.
The City of Boston wording blew his logic away, but the $#%&! still
would not back down....

I just got a letter from one of the Cincinnati city council members,
Nell Surber (sp?), thanking me for writing her about the Human Rights
Ordinance there.  She said that my thoughts on the issue were "both
interesting and thought-provoking."  Here's hoping that the picture
of the gay-bashing victim which I sent to her made her think....

Have a great weekend all,
Tina W.
Still on a borrowed acct

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From: edrosenfeld@genie.geis.com
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:31:00 EDT
Subject: SUBSCRIBE
X-Genie-Id: 8320210

SUBSCRIBE GAYNET EDROSENFELD@GENIE.GEIS.COM

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:14:35 -0400
From: sanjay@northstar.dartmouth.edu (Sanjay B. Sitlani)
Subject: Removal of my name from the gaynet mailing list

        Please take me off the gaynet mailing list. I have graduated
and don't check my e-mail at all. My e-mail address is
                sanjay@northstar.dartmouth.edu
                        Thanks
                                ---Sanjay

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