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From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.rn.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: Re: C Programming Environment for the GS
Keywords: C GS
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 11:09:22 EDT

henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> Well having now got my GS up and running, I'd like to do some graphics
> programming on it, I'd prefer to use C, so what's available and what
> do you recomend.

Many people are using ORCA/C to do C programming... Procyon, the company 
that brought us GNO is currently working on another C compiler from what I 
understand... But Jawaid and/or Tim will be able to tell you more than I 
can :-)

> I have heard a lot about GNO, what exactly is included in the package
> and what does it cost.

GNO/ME includes: the GNO multitasking kernel, utilities (with SOURCE!!!), 
and, of course the documentation... GNO is very powerful, and to those of 
us who've programmed under UNIX, is a welcome addition to our software 
library. I have it, I use it every day, and I love it. I'd wholeheartedly 
recommend it to anyone. (See my .sig :) )

At $80, it's a real bargain... email bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu for more 
information, or hope he reads this and posts more! :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Need new GS keyboard!  HELP!
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:10:09 GMT

In article <ir68362@pro-cajun.cts.com> tgeer@pro-cajun.cts.com (Tom Geer) writes:
>> I need a new keyboard.  Does anyone out there have an extra keyboard
>> they would sell me?  If not, can someone point me in the direction of
>> where I might find one?
> 
>Give Shreve Systems a call at (800) 227-3971.  They have tons of 'em.
>New, used, reconditioned, standard, extended - whatever you want.
>And don't forget that Mac keyboards work just fine on the //gs.

If you get a Mac keyboard, try to get one of the older ones.  The
Apple Standard Keyboard's layout matches that of the GS keyboard
almost exactly.  The Apple Extended Keyboard's layout matches the
IBM/clone 101-key keyboard, except for adding a reset key (power key
on a Mac II) over by the LEDs.  The standard keyboard would be
preferred since the Control key is by the "A" on that keyboard--where
it belongs.  The extended keyboard and the newer keyboards put Control
down in the bottom left corner--the devil's abode, IMHO.  Also, the
reset key on the new keyboards feels really chintzy--it feels like a
calculator key and has almost no travel to it, unlike older keyboards.

A member of the local user group had to buy one of those new
keyboards...her original GS keyboard crapped out and she needed a
keyboard ASAP, so she bought one at a local dealer.  She brought it
along to the officers' meeting...I wasn't impressed at all.  (Then
again, I'm not impressed with most of the hardware Macintosh, Inc. makes
anymore.)

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!
(IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis Apple II/IBM/Star Trek/Aerospace
 \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!
From: ggray@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Glenn Gray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ProTERM Address?
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:24:48 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School

Is there anyone out there who could give me ProTERM's whereabouts.  I'd like 
to upgrade to 3.0 but don't have current phone or address.  Help, please.

Thank you...  ggray@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: "Volker Herrmann" <CD46@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Cirtech PlusRAM GS8
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:52:17 GMT

Hiya!
A couple of years ago I bought a Cirtech PlusRAM GS8 memory card.
This card _never_ caused any problem. It could be expanded to eight
MB onboard, but I installed only four. The card works fine with the
RamFast, although it is not DMA compatible. DMA compatibility could
be made by using a soldering iron etc. , but only up to four MB!
Now my questions:
Does it make sense to expand the card to 5-8 MB? I read somewhere
that the IIGS can recognize only up to four MB.
What will happen if I decide to use an accelerator (TransWarp or Zip)?
Is then DMA compatibility a necessity?
..
Thanks for any help.
..
Volker
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: st1dr@rosie.uh.edu (Frankfort, David C.)
Subject: Supra v32.bis and the PC Transporter 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:00:00 GMT


Apple IIgs with PC Transporter, so that Procomm v2.01 will work properly?  
All I seem to get is garbage in the wrong order.  (i.e. SWING>  would come out
S WGIN  >).  I currently have the cable specified in in the Proterm 3.0 
manual.  Any response would be appreciated.
				David Fretz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: benson@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Paul BaJa Benson)
Subject: Re: PPtoPort Question
Organization: Vanderbilt Univ., Engineering (SERG), Nashvegas, TN
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:26:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.174712.8933@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eaf2239@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
~-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
~#pragma databank 1
~void ContentUpdate(void)
 
 I think you need a toolparms(?) pragma too.  This is necessary if you the
 routine is going to be called by a tool (such as a window update routine).
 I was not sure if your routine worked in this manner.

-- 
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  Vanderbilt University - Space Electronics Research Group
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: BostonFest News?
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:36:40 GMT

In article <67269@cup.portal.com> Eric_Daniel_Schatz@cup.portal.com writes:
>For those that don't know, in the editor's box of the Nov. issue,
>Dan Muse submitted his resignation, saying a good editor has to 
>know when it was time to move on. he also vented his anger at folk
>who badmouthed the magazine after it started running mac stuff.
>
>He asked if the magazine was supposed to ignore the Iie and IIc when they
>came out.

The IIe and IIc are both Apple IIs.  Macs aren't.  I think the
magazine and its management richly deserved the criticism.

As for whether the change in management will bring useful change to
the magazine...that remains to be seen.  I might have to pick up a
copy of InCider a few months down the road to see if it's improved
any.

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 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!
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 \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!
From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Identifying strange GS parts
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:41:49 GMT

I had a similar problem with my first GS (which I brought back for replacement
for another problem entirely).  Turns out my _joystick_ was bad.  The joystick
buttons are the same as the Apple and Option keys on your keyboard, and if
they're stuck or otherwise messed up, they can fool the computer into
thinking those keys are down.

I don't know if you have a joystick connected, but thought I'd mention this
in case you do.

Good luck!

- Eric S.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Where can I buy a 19 pin "D" connector?
Summary: Apple IIc external disk
Keywords: Non-standard
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:55:26 GMT

	I need the connector for an external floppy drive.
	I'll make the adapter myself.

	Where can I buy a 19 pin "D" connector??????

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
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	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
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From: jmk3@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: misc
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  6 Oct 92 14:47:47 GMT

re: problem with Fujitsu SCSI drive and GS/OS but not ProDOS 8
 
I have a suggestion that _might_ help, though it will also slow things down a
lot. Try removing (or just disabling) the SCSI.HD.Driver. GS/OS will then
"generate" a driver for the SCSI card that works more like ProDOS 8. I don't
know if the generated driver will have the same impatience or not. You will get
a warning message while booting telling you to enable the driver, but all will
still work. If you don't get the message, try deleting the driver and/or
disabling/deleting the SCSI.Manager as well.
 
re: someone mentioned interrupts and disk access
 
Disk access doesn't cause interrupts. Interrupts are disabled during disk
access; I think all types of drives, but maybe not. This is because an
interrupt would totally screw up the timing.
 
re: RFI
 
The IIGS sure emits a lot of interference (sp?). My clock radio about 2 feet
away nearly loses a station that comes in fine with the GS off.
 
 
Jay
 
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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS 6.0 and ORCA/C shell
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:44:55 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <9209151544.AA10984@sunsrvr3.cci.com> arb@sunsrvr3.cci.com (Anthony Bean) writes:
[...]
>My problem now is why TOOL018 got corrupted!!! If anyone has any guess,
>or info, or anything else, let me know. I am not sure what TOOL018 provides.

Tool018 is the QuickDraw Auxiliary tool set (it does important things like
drawing icons and putting up the Watch cursor, among others).

It's hard to determine exactly *why* it got corrupted.  At a high level,
probably a block on your drive got marked free when it wasn't (it was
really still being used by the Tool018 file, and then it got re-used by
something else).

Could be a hardware glitch, cosmic rays, a software bug.  Definitely run
Mr.Fixit or some other disk utility to make sure there aren't more problems
waiting to bite you.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 1.AppleTalk 2.Fax/Modems
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:53:15 GMT
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany

<KCR103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Also, is there a Send / Receive Fax Modem available
>for the GS.  I need a fax machine, so I would rather kill two birds ...

Modem yes (use any brand, I recommend either ZyXEL, or if you want to go
cheap Supra (because Supra now writes their own ROM and does not depend
on the Rockwell crap :)).

Software no. It is said that QC and/or InSync work on that, but I don't know if
it'll have receive, and I also don't know if it's only class 1 or if class 2
is in there. I also doubt that they'll support compression and file transfer.
In other words: The GS with the current software is not a FAX machine.

Soenke
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ddkilzer@iastate.edu (David D Kilzer)
Subject: Re: Apple //c self-test (was Re: Apple IIc acting STRANGE!)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:39:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.215411.17800@trl.oz.au> a.guillaume@trl.oz.au writes:
>
>G'day !
>
>David D Kilzer writes:
>|Have you tried a self-test?  The older-ROM //c's didn't have the routine
>|built-in, but in the newer ones (including your's) have it.  Try
>|pressing control--open-apple--closed-apple--reset.  The computer should
>|go through a series of graphic "kaliescope" screens, then give you a
>|message about the system.  If "System ok" appears, every thing "should"
>|be okay, but still may not be.  If another message appears, I'd suggest
>|posting it to this newsgroup and asking what it means.
>
>My understanding is that there are at least three versions:
>- the original //c
>- the UniDisk 3.5 //c
>- the memory expansion //c
>Which of the "newer ones" has the built-in self test ? My //c was upgraded
>from the first to the second version, but ctrl-oa-ca-reset doesn't seem to
>do anything. Is there any way of calling the self test (via the monitor?)
>
>Andrew Guillaume
>a.guillaume@trl.oz.au

I have the UniDisk 3.5 ROM board in my computer, and the self-test works
for me.  You're sure you're holding down open-apple, close-apple, and
control at the same time, then pressing & releasing reset?  Sometimes,
if you do it too fast, the self-test won't initiate.  [I'm sure you did,
for the initiated, the apple keys can be sensitive (they work like and
ARE the joystick buttons) and you must have them held DOWN when
rebooting or doing the self-test.]

Also wait 5 minutes before deciding that you don't have the
self-test...it should complete itself in that time (actually less, but
wait 5 minutes to be sure).  Additionally, the self-test graphics are
all in lo-res, while the ROM without the self-test has hi-res graphics
patterns displayed on the screen.

Finally, the "fourth" version of the //c logic board is the //c+, but
that really doesn't count.  :)

Dave

[This information is taken from memory, which has not been proved to be
100% consistent.  If I stated something incorrectly, by all means
correct me!!]


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From: Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:38:46 EDT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca/C Bug?!?!
Organization: IBM Personal Computer Co. - PS/1 Development
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <1992Sep28.132234.14405@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Steven Eric Schwartz writes:
>   int i;
>   longint j;
>
>   for(i = 0; i <= 15; i++) printf("i=%10d\n",1 << i);
>
>yields as output:
>   .
>    16384
>   -32767
>Any ideas on what's wrong?

Don't know if your program is correct, since you don't use the j variable,
but you probably want to use printf("i=%ld", 1L << i);.  The l (el not one)
makes the printf output long vars.

Pauley
GEnie: P.Benson1
From: pooh.caltech.edu!nathan (Nathan Mates)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Wizardry 5 Help
Date: 4 Oct 1992 07:35:37 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: pooh.caltech.edu
Originator: nathan@pooh

   I have Wizardry 5, the end of the Wizardry legend on the Apple II
series, and I am quite stuck at many points in the maze. If you have a
typed-up cheat-sheet, or something similar, mailing a copy of it to me
would be most appreciated.
    APPLE II FOREVER!
nathan@cco.caltech.edu
From: ncp@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Neal Pitts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: WP/GS to WP/Mac
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:48:32 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun Oct 04 92 at 13:17:15 (EST)

Wordperfect for the Mac should read WP GS files...
I know at least WP GS will read WP v4.1 and v4.2 from DOS.

----------------------------------------------
ncp                   ncp@gnh-cathouse.cts.com
                      ncp@gnh-starport.cts.com
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From: billh@hplsla.hp.com (Bill Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: IIGS Monitor Problem
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:21:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.11060013
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

Does anyone know where (or if) you can get schematics for the Apple RGB
monitor for the IIGS?  Mine has started to waver in the horizontal
direction.  As it warms up, the optimum setting of the horizontal hold on
the back changes, and it needs adjusting.  I did adjust the horizontal
centering pot inside the unit, and that seemed to make it somewhat better,
but I suspect some component inside is drifting and will eventually need
replacing.  I checked with the local Apple dealer, and they wanted $226 for
the main board (which is where we both suspect the problem lies) plus
labor.  (The technician did say they could try the adjustments first, but
they only do board swapping, as they don't have schematics, either.)

Has anyone seen this problem and know what component(s) commonly cause the
picture to begin to loose its horizontal hold?  Also, does anyone have any
experience using non-Apple repair places to fix such monitors?

Regards,

Bill Harris
billh@lsid.hp.com      
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: has tr been ported by anybody?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:27:53 GMT

bkogawa@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Bryan Ogawa) writes:

>There is a program for the GS that does this...an ancient one by Morgan
>Davis himself, called FileFixer....it does the job, and can do a few other
>things (tabs->spaces, and the other way)

	It exists on wuarchive -- I tried it, and while it does work it
does not work in the way I need.  Let me explain.  I am downloading
documents that are fairly often formatted with hard returns at the end
of each line.  This program will remove all returns, be they ctrl-J (LF)
for Unix machines or ctrl-M (CR) for the Apple.  Then, it goes and adds
them again when you tell it to, but now the original ends of the lines
are lost.  When downloading tables, this is a big problem.  I can get
Kermit to change the LF to CR, and sz has a function to do this as well,
but I'd like the ability to do it when just copying files and not using
a term program to download them.  Using A2FX, for example.

>I think it would be possible to write a BASIC program that would do the
>job, but it would have to BLOAD the text file and then search through...

	I thought of this; it's been years since I programmed in BASICk,
though, and I don't remember enough of the syntax to make a go of it.
I'd have to do a "read file,a$0000,l$0001" or something like that,
indexing the a$ and l$ numbers so I only get the one byte (or perhaps
80 if I wanted to use the left$, mid$, or right$ functions in applesoft),
then write it out to another file.  When done, I'd delete the original
and rename the duplicate.

	ProTERM 2.2 will handle this fairly easily, but you're limited
to a 45K file size; I've several files of over ten megabytes I'd like
to have the format retained on.

	This simple solution is for me to do it on my VAX 8250 before
I download or ftp them, but I'm suprised something like this hasn't
already been written.

	Then again, I always thought Apple should have ported their
Fortran compiler from the Pascal OS to ProDOS, but then I suppose
I'm the only one who would think of writing in Fortran these days.
The old IIe's did make excellent data-collection machines though,
but I had to port data to the VAX for analysis.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
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From: bondir@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (RICHARD BONDI)
Subject: What is the difference between rev. C and D SCSI cards?
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:04:44 GMT

Thanks! Please answer to rsb5c@Virginia.edu.
From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Resurrection!!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:22:13 PST
Organization: BBS

I agree that HD is a must have, and twgs/zip is optional.  But once you get a
twgs/zip, you'll know you can't live with out it.

Later!

frank m. lin
fmlin@terapin.com
cyprus systems
From: tcomtaob@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: I love Supra!
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:35:24 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped John Townsend's lips:
> 
> As if that
> weren't enough, Supra has since sent me a T-shirt, water bottle, sun visor,
> sunglasses, and frisbee in their "Fun in the sun with Supra" promo, and just
> today I received a free ROM upgrade with the caller ID option without even
> asking for it (I just received the mailing about it yesterday).

    What's this?  I never got any of those goodies!!!  Do you have to be
on the sysop plan to get the promo stuff?  The Caller ID ROM upgrade (1.2j)
is $19.95 for the rest of us too (I just went for the free 1.2h ROM update).
You can call their tech support BBS and place an online order for the ROM
even if they haven't received your warranty card yet.

    Reading some of the old messages on the BBS last night, it seems to me
that Supra's "customer support" wasn't all the great in the past few months.
There was a *lot* of griping on the message bases about delayed ROM updates,
ignored questions, unacknowledged phone calls, etc.  As soon as they were
shipping the ROM's though, people started getting nicer.  :)
-- 
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Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
From: hl00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOU-SHENG LIN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Looking for lisa816
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:54:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I've been looking for a copy of lisa816 (gs version of the lisa assembler) for
quite a while now.  cco.caltech.edu has only the 8 bit version and
ucrmath.ucr.edu seems to have lost it's drive.

If anyone out there either know of another place that has it or is willing
to somehow get me a copy of it, I'll greatly appreciate it (another
programmer for the gs can't be bad can it??)

-- 
-Sheng
hl00@pl122.eecs.lehigh.edu
hl00@m180k.cc.lehigh.edu
hl00@lehigh.edu
From: tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: FAX software for the GS
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:38:50 GMT
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped Sameer Parekh's lips:
> 
> 
> 	Does there exist a FAX drive for the IIGS? A device driver would be
> optimal, so that I may simply 'print' from a GS/OS program to the modem.

    I think either Quality Computers or InSync is working on one (probably
QC).  I just received my shiny new Supra 14400 faxmodem today so I want to
investigate the possibility of sending out faxes in the future.  At $369
Canadian, the Supra is certainly one of the better deals going around!
-- 
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Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
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