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From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash... pink fade
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:39:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov9.134547.7528@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>
>earrings? what do i know about earrings??
>   -ken
>
Well, they're piercings, aren't they?
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From: nomad@watson.ibm.com (Lee `nomaD` Damon)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:19:21 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <mattm-111192104825@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
>
>My take is that the student wrapped himself in homosexual mannerisms
>as 'an angle' to get parts.  The student was probably reprimanded
>on numerous occasions by the instructors.  The student seized the
>moral high ground and told them to fuck off.  The school canned
>him.  And now the issue has been reversed.  Instead of a provacateur,
>we have a helpless victim.  Instead of a drama school trying to
>turn out actors who can and will get parts in prestigious productions,
>we have a drama school bent on the persecution of homosexuals.

One student, yes, I can see this happening. I can't buy it when there are
18 (or 16, different reports) students involved. We are talking actions
taken against a class of people, not a single instance.

nomad
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From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<tdober-101192142117@toberkamper.llnl.gov>
	<BOB.92Nov10145343@dolores.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Nov11.030915.15385@macc.wisc.edu>
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:42:06

In article <1992Nov11.030915.15385@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: 

   I don't think it makes much difference what the intention
   was, the end result is anti-woman, and we have the direct
   statement of a woman to that effect.  That doesn't seem to
   me to involve the issue of flame _qua_ flame at all!  That
   doesn't seem to me to involve camp at all.

I agree that the offensiveness of the comment is not affected by the
alleged campy intent.

At the time I replied, the issue of camp had not been raised, and I
thought Andrew was simply attempting to return fire.  Based on that
reading I though it useful to point out that not only is misogyny
offensive, but that it, like any other form of name calling, is not a
particularly effective attack.

This all, of course, is in a larger context where an irritatingly
vocal group of people here seem to think misogyny is terribly clever,
and are quite unconcerned about its offensiveness.  So I make the
additional point that it isn't even clever in an attempt to reach
those warped enough to care more about whether they are seen to be
stupid and ineffective than if they are seen to be bigoted.

- Bob

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From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: Genetic oversimplification of homosexuality.
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:08:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.185321.10469@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>  I like the part about child rearing though. It does seem that
>people who have kids do have a tendency to be reduced to their
>child's level. You know, the goo-goo baa-baa thang. Quite 
>embarrassing really.

When raising my children, I was instructed to use full sentences with
my infants.  None of this "baby talk."  You do try to limit your
vocabulary and sentence structure, but the best thing for infants is to
expose them to correct speech.  You might be surprised how early
children begin to emulate the speech they hear.

So I would say that your example is one of "poor parenting," but not
generally representative.  It's somewhat amusing when non-parents
comment about parenting...sort of like when celibates talk about sex.
:-)

Chuck
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:34:35 GMT

tc> Tom Christiansen

tc> I'd swear that you've just said that gays *are* being discriminated against
    in this society and that there's no doubt of it.

  Agreed.

tc> Now it seems you want to illegalize measures to prevent this. Why?

  Because I'm against legislating a particular morality, I'm against violating
  the freedom of association, I'm against violating the rights of others, and
  I'm very hesitant to bring the state in as arbitrator when other methods are
  available, like economic boycotts.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: ""The Hidden Sailor""
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:57:31 GMT


In article <38689@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.UUCP (God)
writes:

>Now, I know you boys are having fun, but you've deleted the
>chunk of my message that really mattered to me, that is,

Shows you what perspective can do for you, I guess; I
deleted the part that I had no information about one way or
the other on the matter of interest to you:

>is it a LESBIAN bar she is opening?  and if so where?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Strategy Learned (was: What to do about Colorado)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:17:36 GMT

> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>
>I see NGLTF re-shaping itself.  There is a new directory coming on
>board, and that promises big changes.  We have a president that isn't
>working against us, and that promises a big change.  I think we should
>all back NGLTF, the ACLU, and other organizations that are going to
>need our help in the next 4 years.
>
>So, how do we send checks to NGLTF?

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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CATASTROPHE Re: Colorado Amendment #2: Bad news
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 12:45:38 EDT
Reply-To: ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:

> <sigh>
>
> Now we're going to have to fight this across the whole g#^*$@n country

sigh?  frigging about TIME, i think.  having something as blatant as
that will get people moving and thinking.  fighting backgropund bigotry
is difficult.  fighting something that is goddamn bloody OBVIOUS is
much easier, cos you can see in technicolor just what you are fighting.

pour that gasoline!  light the matches!  let the conflagration begin!

                                             -ailsa
                                              feeling combative today

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:15:10 EST
From: Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: De-Muffinized...Almost (posted for a friend)

This is posted for a friend, who cannot post it himself due to his present
life circumstances.
All responses will be forwarded.
-Sonja
---

A man sitting with friends,
They throw knives aiming at the unseen enemy,
They strike him instead and their blades sink deep,
Tearing his skin, their barbed ends wound him,
Yet he finds the strength to live another day,
In silence, or worse,
"I am not the enemy" he says,
As he pushes his own knife deep to prove it.

Now he is little more than a skeleton,
Made bare by a lifetime of starvation,
He wants to eat, but it is the forbidden fruit,
Of wrongful passion.

His chains bite into his weak flesh,
They are made of hate and bigoted love,
They are locked to him by his own fear,
Yet without them he would be afraid,
His chains keep him warm,
He has locked himself away,
For fear of what he really is.

He sees a man walking free,
Curious, he doesn't seem evil,
He is not a child molester or a pervert,
Not a maniac or a sinister lurking shadow,
Not a disease carrying rat or a demon,
He is free and that is all that matters.

Through the darkness, he sees a spark of hope,
For once he tests his chains and finds them weak,
They cannot hold him,
Who am I, what am I, why am I different?
His struggle continues.

He tells one friend that he is the enemy,
That friend walks away forever into the darkness,
He was open minded...but not open enough,
He now finds another chain added to the lot,
He will be silent for years to come.

Depression abounds,
Dark moods and darker thoughts,
I will change, I can do it,
He fools himself for a time,
But the depression gets worse,
This is not who I am.

He meets another and they reveal their pain,
They talk about many things in hushed tones,
They meet secretly and watch others who are free,
Am I strong enough to make it?
Will the wolves hunt me to my death?
How do we remove the chains?

God and sin and men who make dresses out of women's skin,
Family and Family Values,
Colorado and Oregon,
AIDS and Death,
Rejection and Bashing,
Hate and Prejudice,
All are equal except for some,
Will I lose everything?
Is it worth it?

As they talked, they failed to notice,
The chains had already fallen off,
They lay on the floor,
A twisted mass of black ideals disguised as truth.

Without the weight, they fly.

==============
Excuse the male-orientation of this poem, but it is the story of my life.
Please exchange "he" and "his" for "she" and "her" if you would like.

I wanted to post this because I have been a muffin for 3+ years and would
like to de-muffinize myself, BUT I can't because one of my family who does
not know that I am gay is on the same system.  For now, I stay anonymous,
but hopefully not for much longer.

BTW, hi Jess, thanks for the advice :-)
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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Homoeroticism in Presidential Politics
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 14:56:18 EST
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grabed my eye:

        LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- In his first encounter with Bill Clinton in the
aftermath of victory, Al Gore hugged his boss long and hard, looked
straight into the president-elect's eyes, and said: ``Hi, pal. You look
good.'' And a wildly enthusiastic Little Rock crowd estimated at 40,000
agreed. Tens of thousands of Arkansas residents poured into the streets
Tuesday night, anxious to share the moment of a lifetime with the man
who has governed them for more than a decade as he rose to the
presidency.


:-)

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Samuel R. Delany, Jodie Foster, Barry Diller, Martina Navratilova, k. d. lang,
Audre Lorde, David Geffen, Bob Jackson-Paris, Greg Louganis, Whitney Houston.
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:23:07 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Nov13.011226.24292@oracle.us.oracle.com>, dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:
> In article <101698@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
> >The fact remains that 30% of the men reported being passive in anal
> >intercourse at least once, but only 4% of the men reported engaging in
> >gay sex at least once.
> >
> >Doesn't this strike anyone as just a wee bit strange?
> 
> Maybe they figured, as long as they haven't kissed another guy,
> they haven't had gay sex.  You know the type:  "Straight white
> male seeks other males for good times.  Must be discreet."

  Bingo. That *is* the distinction. You can be fucked a million
times, but so long as you don't kiss, you're not fag. It's so
simple, why didn't Kinsey think of this?
  The best part of this is that it would vastly open up the
possibilities of "het" men. Fuck me, suck me, just don't kiss
me :-)
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Where to buy some nice pumps....
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 20:29:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct27.222559.3455@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
  <1d9e4uINNn7n@roche.csl.sri.com>

Karl Elvis MacRae writes:
>...What I didn't count on was how nasty it would be to have my
>leg and chest hair growing back in. Geez, maybe I should have used
> nair instead? Ugh.

Maybe you shouldn't have shaved it off in the FIRST place.

The best answers are **SO** simple.

 
() "Status quo" is Latin for the mess we're in.
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From: canand@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Test
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:59:13 GMT

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Perth,Western Australia.


Newsgroups: soc.misc
From: due@fing.sin (Naw Sing)
Subject: Re: Test again
Organization: testing
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:14:27 GMT



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From: nabeel@sce.CArleton.CA (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: Test
Organization: testing
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:14:27 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.misc
From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: anti-semitism
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:17:59 GMT


What is the origin of the stereotype that says Jewish people are good at
making money?
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
Newsgroups: soc.misc,alt.flame
From: due@fing.sin (Naw Sing)
Subject: And Again (was Re: Test again)
Organization: testing
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:14:27 GMT

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From: silverm@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Jeff Silverman)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: Re: anti-semitism
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:55:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:


>What is the origin of the stereotype that says Jewish people are good at
>making money?
>-- 
>Robert Chao
>Oakland, California

A long time ago, it was illegal for Jews to farm, own land, or travel.  They 
were restricted to money lending and the professions.  They were good at it.
They were disciplined not to waste money.  They tended to have stable marriages
and were educated - literacy amongst the Jews during the dark ages was virtually
100%.  So they prospered.

Even today, there is antisemitism, so to compensate, Jews are willing to go the
extra distance, work harder, smarter.

I predict that Asian immigrants will soon have the same reputation, for much the
same reasons.

Jeff Silverman, Boeing.
:wq
From: usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Uma M Subramanian)
Subject: email discussion group for south asian women
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:45:55 GMT

There is an email discussion group for south asian women which has
been set up recently. Women from the south asian countries as well
as women from other parts of the world interested in the issues that
concern south asian women are welcome to join this discussion group.
This group is not open to men as it is set up now. Women who would
like to join this mailing list should send mail to

usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

OR

susanc@helix.nih.gov

Uma Subramanian


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From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: woman harrassed & fired for making harrassment complaint - help
Date: 9 Nov 1992 15:26:31 GMT
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I need information for a woman who was put on probation at work the day
after making a sexual harrassment complaint about a coworker.  Her boss
was a woman, who began evaluating the woman (after an excellent 3-year work
record) by having another employee watch her work over a 2 1/2 - month
period.  The woman who was on probation began to become so stressed and to
feel so ill that she missed 10 days of work in 60 days.  She was fired,
supposedly for missing too much work, even though she was entitled to sick
pay.  Then she was told she didn't fit the company's image.  She had done
such a good job that she had recently received a 10% bonus; her sales were
the best in her company's branch.  After the complaint she was only given
a 1% bonus and was put on probation for absolutely no reason that she can
imagine.  She had gotten along great with her boss until the day after she
made the complaint.

She needs information, support, and advice.  She has contacted the labor
board in California (where she lives).  And she is trying to find an
attorney.  Her problem is no longer the sexual harrassment but the loss of
her job and the harrassment by her female supervisor.  

Does anyone out there have an idea about what kind of case she might have?
And does anyone know who is the best lawyer in the L.A. area for handling
this kind of case?

Thanks very much,

Alice

You may e-mail me or just post.  Thanks again.



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