From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Subject: Re: Mutant: question
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:45:12 GMT

gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman) writes:
: In article <1992Mar31.193619.1@amherst.edu> dethomas@amherst.edu (The Human Torch) writes:
: >
: >Pardon me, but what on earth gave you the impression that Cyclops and Wolverine
: >were "powerful" mutants? They both have were good combat skills and other
: >learned skills as well as good offensive powers, but on the power scale, I
: >would say Franklin Richards (if they ever define his powers) and Magneto, as
: >well as a few others that I can't think of right now would wipe up the flor
: >with either of them if they wanted to.
: 
: I agree.....Wolvie and Cyclops are NOT very powerful.  But there is
: a perception by some that they are.  Maybe this is just the confusion

Anybody wanna give me an idea as to where this thought came from? As an
X-book reader from way back (15+ years) I never got that impression.
I've always thought of the two of them as the guys to have on your side
in a fight, but not the earth-shattering type the original post on this
thread seems to indicate.

: However, I have said before that I think Jean is more powerful than
: Maggs.  SHe should be able to match most of his magnetic powers
: with TK, and then she has her psi-abilities.  The way they ahve
: been writing Maggs, though, he's godlike!

Actually, over the years, that is exactly what has been proven. Mags
sunk a soviet atomic sub and caused a Volcano to erupt in a soviet city
in X-men 150, he also kept an atmosphere on Asteroid M for all this
time. Heck he managed to transport himself to the damn thing unaided!
His power level is incredible when you think about it. He has usually
been defeated in the past through some "fatal flaw" rather than out an
out muscle. 

As for Mags being less powerful than Jean, I think that is a matter of
who gets the first shot and how hard it is. Jean's only advantage is the
fact that she can attack his mind and does not necessarily have to face
his physical power. If it is a "fair fight," that is, they both see it
coming, Marvel Girl hasn't got a chance in the world in my mind.

: >Why is gambit excluded from psionic attack? As for Betsy, she has been taken
: >out by psionic attack before. That's primarily how people have gotten to her.
: A couple of times people have tried to scan Gambit and they say
: "his thoughts are like quicksilver, can't hold them" 

On a related note (I can't believe I'm asking this...) Why does everyone
view Gambit as being so powerful? It seems that Sebasion Shaw or the
Juggernaut could stand up to him and make him eat that deck of cards...

It seems that the Marvel writers are trying to have a contest amongst
themselves: Who can make the most unbelieveable and powerful "mysterious"
charcater, who comes out of nowhere and have people think he's cool! I
mean, look at Cable or Longshot or Bishop for that matter... Sheesh,
doesn't anybody like doing origin stories anymore? I wanna see someone
show up, with his identity explained and not able to take out everybody
and their mother or is immune to everybody's power. Good grief, at this
rate, thier all gonna be reduced to fist fights because none of them can
affect each other. :-)

later days!
--dt

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dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu 	   |     what do do with me, how could I 
roach@aux1.amherst.edu		   |    possibly presume to speak for them?
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