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From: sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Missing WIN32 SDK CD-ROMs?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:13:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

shah@eies2.njit.edu (Sanjeev Shah) writes:


>I recently purchased WIN32 SDK for NT with documentation.
>With it I received ONE CD-ROM (Preliminary Version July 92)
>and two boot diskettes (3.5" and 5.25").

>However I keep reading reviews in PC-WEEK where the reviewers
>talk about THREE (3) CD-ROMs worth 1.6 Gbytes.  What am I
>missing here?

>I also read about Windows in 17 language versions as part of
>the release but have not been able to locate it on my CD-ROM.

I believe what PC-LEAK is talking about is that attendees of the NT Developer's
conference received three CD's, one NT SDK, one July '92 conference, and one
with the multilingual versions of Windows 3.1.
X-Star-Trek-Quote: He's Dead Jim.
X-School: Penn State University
X-Nickname: <<APOCALYPSE>>, Lord of Destruction
Organization: Penn State Star Trek club
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:48:28 EDT
From: Matthew E. Bernold <MEB117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Note for Alistair

I tried mailing you, but mail to alistair@microsoft.com bounced.  Could you
please provide me with an E-mail address where I could get in touch with you?

thank you,

       Matthew E. Bernold             MEB117@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
         <<APOCALYPSE>>                  meb@haydn.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: mat@nella16.cc.monash.edu.au (Mathew Hille)
Subject: Re: NT v Unix (was Questions about NT, Ajay Shah)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:14:31 GMT

This is not a flame!!

Hugh.Fisher@anu.edu.au writes:

>  Microsoft _could_ learn a few tricks from Unix systems, such
>  as networked graphics a la X11. Like most people, the NT

NT is a distributed operating system. Under NT it will be possible to
write programs that work just like X11. ie your program and a simple
library that takes the GDI calles and transports them over the network
to a remote machine.

More interestingly NT also lets you break your program up into
communicating parts. Now using the client server model that every one
seems to understand. You can construct an inteligent front end. So
rather than mouse events and graphics primitives crossing the network,
messages like menu item 1 was selected, rotate item 3.

Ultimitly as we come to gripes with these sort of programs, we can
split the program up any way we see fit.

>  designers probably missed the few such gems buried under
>  the anachronistic crud that makes up the typical Unix box.
>  Sendmail config files, nroff macros, termcaps, vi, ... if
>  NT can kill these off, I'll be cheering all the way.

I hope NT never supports termcaps, in other words serial terminals.
what does a win 3.1 window look like in ascii :)

On the down side I quite like vi :(

When I first heard about NT, I though microsoft is playing catchup.
Its just windows over a UNIX clone, but no NT has more in common with
operating systems that I read about in research papers than UNIX.

I just wish people would stop talking about it in terms of UNIX, so
that we can learn more about the distributed features.

Bye.
-- 
Matthew Hille, Department of Software Development, Monash University.
Mail: mat@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au
From: leeda@comp/os/ms-windows/programmer/win32ps.msu.edu (Dae Hee Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Microsoft's discrimination against the blind
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:09:48 GMT
Reply-To: leeda@cps.msu.edu (Dae Hee Lee)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: leeda@atlantic.cps.msu.edu

crosoft is trying to discriminate the blind by preventing them from
accessing the computer.  Microsoft has already developed some versions
of MS Windows with GUI, and is now developing Windows NT. But they don't
have any plan to enable the blind to access their software at all.
  But IBM has already developed the screen reading program for OS/2 2.0
and the Presentation Manager for the blind.
  Microsoft is clearly making discrimination for the visually impaired.

Daehee Lee
From: atam@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Alexander Tam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Apologize to NT staff
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:25:35 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

I would like to say sorry for what I posted the other day. I really don't mean:
You HAVE TO/MUST repost articles from compuserve to here. Since I don't have
access to compuserve, and I am very eager to know more about NT, I wish I can
too have access to certain NT related materials. Please consider this,
seriously. Thank you very much.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: Re: NT v Unix (was Questions about NT, Ajay Shah)
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM 
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:47:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.020116.22372@newshost.anu.edu.au> Hugh.Fisher@anu.edu.au writes:
>
>  Then I started working on Unix systems and got to use dbx:
>  like wow, man. 

Have you tried NTSD?  You will be REALLY impressed!!
From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Installing Win NT on a CardZ box...
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:58:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Title says it all... has anyone tryed installing NT on the low
cost 486 machines Cardz sells in Canada?  They seem like a
bargain for the price... 

Blake
From: wlb@progress.COM (Warren Bare)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Question about event recording
Keywords: JournalRecordProc GetMessage
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:10:31 GMT
Organization: Progress Software Corp.


Howdy Folks,

  I have a programming question about the win api.  I have done
very little windows programming (BC++ and MSC7 tutorials) although
I have done a my share of programming in C and C++ so please bear
with me.

  Part of a program I am building needs to have functionality
equivalent to the Windows Recorder.  I need to record events
in a separate window, then be able to play them back.  I will be
able to get the window's handle but I need some help with the hook
functions used to get the messages.

  If anyone has a small program demomstrating the use of 
JournalRecordProc or GetMessage to record a series of events
then JournalPlaybackProc or PostMessge to play back those
events I would love to see it.

  Short of that, I may have to learn this the old fashioned way --
with a MANULE -- and I know none of you wants to see that happen ;-)

Thanks very much,
Warren

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From: niwr@pfbs.philips.se (Niklas Wretman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Tried Toshiba CD offer?
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:43:30 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment BCFI AB, Sweden


I was at the Win32 Euro Conference in Brussels last month,
and got the special offer to by Toshiba KT-3301SA CD-ROM Kit.

My problem is that I've found it very difficult to get
in touch with the Swedish distributor. Have anybody
tried this kit?? Is it still worth trying to by the stuff?

/Niklas Wretman (niwr@pfbs.philips.se)


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|    phone: +46-8-759 4790, facsimile: +46-8-739 8676     |
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From: rose@galtee.cs.wisc.edu (Scott Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: I too have unable to print the PS files
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:27:02 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Aug20.195819.18866@pony.Ingres.COM> rion@Ingres.COM  writes:

>I have been able to print some of the docs, but with some problems.
>
>The tools manual is broken into some 20 or so files (corresponding to
>chapters), but the Win32 API manuals are in two files around 2.5MB each!!
>My postscript printer can print these just fine, but the print spool area is
>limited to approx 1 MB, so the API manuals get truncated down to 372 pages.
>
>Does anyone know how to break up postscript files?

I was able to get this to work by simply editing out all the code following
the first showpage command and the showpage command associated with the page
preceeding the first page I wanted.  You do print the first page on each print
run, but that might be cheaper than figuring out where the definitions end and
the first page begin.

Here is a gawk script that helps.  Usage is 

	<scriptname> -v page=<pagenumber>

E.g.

	frompage -v page=272

#!/usr/local/gawk -f
BEGIN {
  foundFirst = 0;
  foundPage = 0;
  foundPageEnd = 0;
  if(page == 0) {
    print("usage");
    exit;
  }
  pagePattern = sprintf("(page %d", page);
  if(debug)
    print("pattern = " pagePattern);
}
{
  if(!foundFirst) {

    # haven't seen the first showpage yet

    if(i = index($0, "showpage")) {

      # here it is; print the prefix of the string including it

      foundFirst = 1;
      print(substr($0, 1, i+length("showpage")));
    }
    else {

      # always print lines that preceed the first showpage

      print($0);
    }
  }
  else {

    # HAVE seen the first "showpage"

    if(!foundPage) {

      # look for the line that indicates that we are on the start-after page

      if(index($0, pagePattern))
        foundPage = 1;
    }
    if(foundPage) {

      # HAVE seen our start-after page

      if(!foundPageEnd) {

        # look for the next "showpage"

        if(i = index($0, "showpage")) {

          # found it; everything following is printed

	  foundPageEnd = 1;
	  if(length($0) > i + length("showpage"))
	    print(substr($0, i+length("showpage")));
        }
      }
      else {
	print($0);
      }
    }
  }
}
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jeremy@cs.sunysb.edu (Jeremy Wohl)
Subject: Boot problem w/secondary SCSI disk
Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:25:23 GMT
X-Posted-From: sblapis2.cs.sunysb.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Immediately upon booting, the NT loader states it can't find the
ntoskrnl.exe file.  The boot.ini is correctly pointed to directories
on a secondary SCSI (bernoulli 90) disk.  Are SCSI capabilities not
loaded until later in the boot process, or do I need to set the drive
to another ID (currently 5)?  If not, is there some other way to bring
the required files over to the working primary disk, while the rest
remain on the second and all the config stuff works out?

thanks for any help

-jeremy
-- 
Jeremy Wohl / jeremy@cs.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: cassidy@cl-next4.msu.edu (John J. Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Text editor for Windows NT on a MIPS processor
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:02:54 GMT

In article <KEVIN.92Aug14094023@buffalobill.edscom.demon.co.uk>  
kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey) writes:
> Can anyone point me to a decent text editor that will run under Windows  
NT on a
> MIPS processor?  I'm surviving with Notepad and a version of Multipad  
that I'm
> slowly getting the bugs out of.  Trouble is, neither of them can handle  
big
> files (a few thousand lines - you know how it is with Windows code  
written in
> `C' - all those switches and cases).
> 
> At the moment I'm resorting to editing on a PC and transfering the file  
to the
> NT box using WalkNet (i.e. 3.5" disk!)
> 
> Any help would be much appreciated.
> -- 
> Kevin Broadey, EDS-Scicon
> Mail:	Wavendon Tower, Wavendon, Milton Keynes, MK17 8LX, England
> E-mail: kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk
> Phone:	+44 908 284198 or +44 908 585858 ext 4198

	There is always Windows Write.  Save out the docs as DOS files.
Import them with no conversion.  
	John J Cassidy		cassidy@indian.cps.msu.edu
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: hardiman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul V Hardiman)
Subject: Re: NT hang?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:26:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.005634.8357@pony.Ingres.COM> rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:
>In article <1935237a@p4.f36.n245.z2.fidonet.org> Norbert_Unterberg@softstream.fido.de (Norbert Unterberg) writes:
>>
>>My experience is that NT runs rather stable as long as you do not start the 
>>windows or msdos subsystem. As soon as you execute a 16 bit dos or windows 
>>application, NT becomes unstable, runs out of memory etc.
>>
>>It's just what microsoft said. This NT release is ONLY a development platform 
>>for 32 bit applications. Neither the DOS nor the Windows subsystem is finished 
>>or fully testet.
>>
>
>How are we supposed to run the development tools without opening a window?
>This thing that says "MS-DOS prompt" actually runs 'cmd.exe'. I'm still
>not sure if this is a true DOS window or just capable of executing DOS
>apps, but I know I have to open it to use the debuggers and compiler.
>When you say its stable if you do not run the windows subsystem, I sure
>hope you mean the Win 3.1 subsystem!
>


My experience has been that you can run any of the following types
of programs from the NT DOS window:

  1) Non-GUI NT programs (e.g. the NT compilers)
  2) GUI NT programs (e.g. the NT terminal program)
  3) DOS programs (e.g. Vedit+ editor)
  4) Windows 3.x programs (e.g. Excel)

You don't need to know what kind of program you're trying to run -
NT takes care of this.

My experience has also been that NT is pretty stable for such an
early version of the product.  I've been able to hang it only once.
(But I'm not using it intensively yet.)

Some programs I've been able to run under NT: Excel 3.0, Corel Draw 2.1,
the NT compilers, Vedit+ editor, CodePad editor, and a few others I can't
recall right now.  Some that don't work are: WordPerfect for Windows,
PageMaker 4.0, ProComm+ for Windows.

Paul Hardiman
University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
hardiman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: pfarrell@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Pat Farrell)
Subject: Re: Compuserve Access
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:48:32 GMT

In article <635.1101.uupcb@satalink.com> bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) writes:
>MD>  Personally, I found it difficult to muck around in CompuserveLand.
>MD>  I can't browse quickely and easily.  Not like with a good news
>MD>  reader (trn is my current favorite).
>
>As with Unix and Usenet, a good access program is vital in the Compuserve
>world.  Logging onto Compuserve manually is not for the faint of heart
>(or light of wallet) <grin>.
>
>I use TAPCIS, 
>Other folks prefer
>the freeware ATO package.  
>your pay-by-the-minute access time, and both packages do an excellent
>job of it.
>                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
>---
I recommend that you look at OZCIS. It is zero cost but
supported by the author. You can find it in the IBMCOM forum.
look for the OZCIS.REQ file, which explains the other files,
hardware requirements, etc. Neither program has a concept like
.kill files. Instead, they access CI$ in two passes. the first
returns the subject line of messages, you "mark" the ones you
like, and then the second pass retreives them. You do all of
your reading, and composition of replies, offline.

I used to use TAPCIS. I hated its terse user interface, but it
works. OZCIS has a CUA style, windowing interface that is user
friendly.

None of the CI$ navagation programs are likely to save money,
as once it gets easier, you spend more time=$$$ wandering
arround.


Pat Farrell,      Grad Student                       pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu
Department of Computer Science, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: joiner@myria.cs.umn.edu (Jay K. Joiner)
Subject: Re: NT hang? 
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:48:35 GMT

I have also experienced not being able to kill an MSDOS window to
logoff.  My experience seemed to occur when I had two MSDOS windows
open.  I was able to close one of them, but the other would "die".

Would be interested in hearing more about this.

Jay Joiner
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: FILETIME and Pope Gregory XIII 
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:39:06 +0000


In article <KEVIN.92Aug18150139@buffalobill.edscom.demon.co.uk> kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk writes:

> Okay, I've got to ask this one.  Sorry if it's an FAQ, but MicroSoft have
> really set themselves up for it...
> 
> The documentation for the FILETIME structure says it holds the number of 100ns
> intervals since January 1st, 1601.
> 
> Does it account for the 11 days "lost" between 2nd and 14th September 1752>  when
> the Gregorian calendar was adopted by Great Britain and her colonies> (including
> the USA)?

I doubt it very much. The calendar application under X-windos does make the
necessary correctionS.

> Also, does NT's internationalisation allow for the fact that other European
> countries adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1582?

It is really not as simple as other european countries than England and
Wales adopting the Gregorian calendar in 1582. Scotland to bring it a
little closer to home changed in 1600. Russia changed in 1917. Alsaka
didn't change until the 1800s (when it was purchased from Imperial Russia).
Many states still do not use the Gregorian calendar and for religious
reason will NEVER adopt it. 

All this causes considerable problems to anyone who is trying to write
software that really MUST work with dates that far back in time and from
all thoe places.

> Yours facetiously

You might have intended it so but it as I say a REAL problem to me as I am
writing historical analysis software.

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Trevor Jenkins                                   Radio: G6AJG
134 Frankland Rd, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, WD3 3AU
email: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk
phone: +44 (0)923 776436
From: dicks@wez (Richard D. Schlotfeldt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Has Microsoft abandoned us?
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:02:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Aug20.140202.18388
Reply-To: dicks@cfsmo.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Couldn't help but notice the silence of Microsoft people recently.
Alistair (who was posting daily) hasn't been seen since August 11
and the latest post by anyone there was August 14.

Possible reasons:
  - Alistair is on vacation?
  - Alistair got bored answering the same questions repeatedly?
  - Alistair is heavily involved in the weeklong sales meeting?
  - After some of the Microsoft guys got into arguments with
    customers here, they were all told to get lost?
  - Microsoft has adopted an absolute 'no usenet support' policy?

When I ordered NT Tuesday the sales person repeatedly and rather
emphatically told me that support will be available only through
Compu$serve. My statement that it would be really nice if they would
post as much material as possible on Usenet as well drew only a
repeat of the same policy statement.

I suppose that an occasional *summary* of material found on Compu$erve
would fall under fair use, wouldn't it? Now that would be a nice way
to use the free Compu$erve time we get with NT!

Keep telling Microsoft (politely) that we want its support *here*.

Dick Schlotfeldt
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: NT v Unix (was Questions about NT, Ajay Shah)
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:39:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.174712.18121@pony.Ingres.COM>, rion@Ingres.COM (Rion
Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.020116.22372@newshost.anu.edu.au>
>Hugh.Fisher@anu.edu.au writes:
>>
>>  Then I started working on Unix systems and got to use dbx:
>>  like wow, man. 
>
>Have you tried NTSD?  You will be REALLY impressed!!

I have tried Saber C++ on a SparcStation with 16MB of RAM. I was far from
impressed. And on a 12MB Sparc it was so slow it was simply unusable. Think
C on my mac SE/30 is SUBSTANTIALLY faster. I imagine Borland C++ on any 386
box is likewise much faster. And of course Think C or Borland C++ cost
about a tenth of the price of Saber C++.

Maynard Handley
From: ramb@venus.osf.org (Ram Balaraman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Microsoft NT staff please read
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:03:48 GMT
Organization: /users/ramb/.organization

In article <183052@pyramid.pyramid.com> atam@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Alexander Tam) writes:

>> There are a lot of people,including myself, out here on the internet network
>> don't have access to Compuserve. If NT is really going to compete with UNIX,
>> you have to let someone on the UNIX network know what you are doing. Please
>> post ALL the articles, bug report form, Q&A, announcements,etc. you put in
>> Compuserve to somewhere on internet. You may either post them to
>> comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 or open another news group. Do you 
>> understand?

I second the above request.

I have access to Compuserve but I still do not like paying oodles of dollars
to them. Why should Microsoft let Compuserve benefit at the developers
expense?  Microsoft should also realize that they have a much wider
audience in the internet and it is to their interest, as well as ours, to 
use internet as a major vehicle of their communication.  Iam very happy with
the way Microsoft has so far been providing support to the developers and 
making the product available at low-cost. But please you could help us
further by eliminating the unneccessary cost of Compuserve connection.
From: sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: NT hang?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:16:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:

>How are we supposed to run the development tools without opening a window?
>This thing that says "MS-DOS prompt" actually runs 'cmd.exe'. I'm still
>not sure if this is a true DOS window or just capable of executing DOS
>apps, but I know I have to open it to use the debuggers and compiler.

The MS-DOS window is actually an NT command prompt.  If you run a DOS
executable, NT kicks of something like DOSX which loads DOS, executes your
program and then returns to the NT command prompt.  This is why Norton's
ncd program will not work for NT.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jeb@fig.citib.com (James E. Bergman)
Subject: NT Availability
Originator: jeb@vulture
Reply-To: ibism!jeb
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:55:17 GMT



I have read that NT is available now for $69.00 or $399.00. How and where can I order it?

Thanks in advance.

James Bergman
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.os.ms-windows.setup