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From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:56:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.lairdb.724348601
Organization: "Well, a head on top, an arm on each side, two legs...."

In <Bz93Is.G0J@news.cs.andrews.edu> maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:

>>In <Bz65G0.Aw6@news.cs.andrews.edu> maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:
>>
>>>Sorry.  The signal to noise ratio on this topic had gotten a little low,
>>>and I had reached the conclusion that the whole world was out to japan.
>>
>>I'm afraid I'm further decreasing it, but:
>> "This sentence no verb."
>>
> BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH

>There, enough verbs?
>My roommate walked in while I was typing, so I wasn't watching the
>monitor.  I thought I had already typed 'bash' but I was obviously
>wrong.   Besides, what did you think I was going to say *congratulate*?

Well, actually, after I posted I realized you might mean that the whole 
world was out to perform a furniture-finishing process involving layers
of lacquer, but I think that has two 'n's.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ssilver@world.std.com (Sally Jablon Silver)
Subject: UNIX/SYBASE DEVELOPMENT (recruiter)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:09:01 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 03:39:35 GMT


In article <1992Dec16.014403.2407@cirrus.com>, dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
> In <1992Dec15.214210.19181@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
> rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
> 
> >Let's get this discussion back on the REAL message of the
> >original post: the Japanese coordinated attack on industry
>                    ^alleged

It is not "alleged" it is effective, i.e. it is happening whether it is
deliberate or not.

> The low price of Japanese products HELPS consumers
> in the US spend less and save and invest more.

But it also puts US workers out of jobs.

> And they would have a LOT to save and invest if they were not paying
> around 60% of their earnings in taxes.  THAT is a real problem.

Who pays 60% ?

Kev.

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From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:51:38 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1992Dec16.022112.1089@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dwight Joe,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>There are other possibilities, of course.
>
>>	And what about one million girls killed, non-violently of course,
>>	in the name of population control?
>
>That's not quite correct.  The Chinese-cu gov't is actually opposed to
>infanticide, but the population at large supports it.  In the first half
>of this century, 1 million (I can cite a reference) Chinese died from
>disease, famine, and infanticide.  Some of the girls were strangled
>by their very own parents.
>
>Infanticide continues to occur frequently in China.  In fact, local
>authorities (in recurring articles in the San Francisco Chronicle) have
>been trying to teach those "loving" parents that female infants are
>just as important as male infants.  I suspect that the efforts of the
>authorities are totally in vain.
>

Dwight, there are those who would view the Western soceity's acceptance of abortion
as equivalent to your claims about Chinese soceity and infanticide.  What would
you say to them?

Everyone else, I am _NOT_ trying to start an abortion debate.  

======================================================================
|Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Picking on Canadians (Was: PEN-PAL WANTED)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:25:45 GMT

s-ko@cibbs.UUCP writes:
>jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>> s-ko@cibbs.UUCP writes:
>> >jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>> >> s-ko@cibbs.UUCP writes:
>> >> >Hey! I'm Canadian!  Don't get us Candians mixed with Americans!
>> >> 
>> >> Well if you insist on copying their accents, and driving on the wrong
>> >> side of the road, and not playing cricket, ......, what do you expect?
>> 
>> >Wrong side of the road?  Well since your on the bottom side of the planet 
>> >and you invert that to the top side like we in north american then 
>> >wouldn't you be right side up?  So then really we're on the right  if you 
>> >were in Canada.  Make sense?  
>> 
>> Good to know that sophistry is alive and well among Candians.

>Well about our Accents, I can tell an American from a Canadian.  Just by the
>eh? at the end of a sentance.  I never realise it but some Americans pointed it
>out to me.  Also the Accent is slightly different.  In the Maritimes, well,
>it's really different, in Quebec well it's Frenchish.. (Only thing is French
>people in France don't think French in Quebec is French, You figure it out)
>And Well Ontario more bland... Out East in BC it's quite unique.  So in Fact 
>Candians have their own accent as do parts of America.  
>Just letting you know...

And this guy wants us to stop us picking on Can(a)dians!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:09:35 GMT

In article <BzFnn2.KFC@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>I have a theory(might not be the first one point it out) that U.S. consumer 
>electrioinics industtries declined partially becasue U.S.'s defence build-up 
>that lured U.S. consumer electrionics firms to to switch to produce defense 
>related products, because that where the eassy money came from.

Thats kind of dangerous to say.  What happened, was that as the electronics
firms spread into defense, which was expanding like gangbusters following
WWII, they were less reluctant to leave the less profitable consumer
electronics market [you see there is no set limit to the size of companies,
and growth in manpower] when there was the military market to cater to.

The big fall-out came in the late 60's and early 70's as the cartels in
Japan were forming and gaining strength [in quality control, money,
and strategy].  

Also, we should remember that Japan has not always been successful in
market penetration:  5th Generation computing, HDTV [I claim it is
DOA, especially when I saw the other competing systems], the
Mitsubishi/General Dynamics FS-X [still way over budget and 
YEARS behind schedule].

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: RIKIYA ASANO
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:51:35 GMT

In article <101554@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:

/quoted material follows/
   Rikiya, 

   Please do not get discouraged even if people on the net are
   frantically putting you in their KILL files.  There are open-minded
   people who find your numerous articles enlightening in numerous ways,
   which in turn add another dimension to perceive the world even if they
   may seem provacative at times.  May censorship censor itself!

   Hyunsuk Seung
   hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
/end quoted material/

Which goes to show that it takes all kinds to make a world. I would
have thought not one person out of six billion would listen to this
little maggot Rikiya Asano (who, if he did graduate with honors
certainly didn't earn any of them in English; and he no speaka da
Japanese too good neither, apparently). But I was wrong. There *is* one.

RB


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Is Riki a ruse?
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:34:50 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan

As quoted from <0f_gF8m00iV144ScZW@andrew.cmu.edu> by Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>:

> Mr. Fester writes:
> 
> > 
> >There is a fourth possibility. He is a visiting student from Japan, born and
> >raised in Japan. 
>  
> This is true!
> 
Not quite.  The fifth and CORRECT possibility is that you are a failure, cast
out of your own country, unable to be a productive member of society there.

> >Actyally, you have attacked several people on several newsgroups. Need we
> >re-post some of your gems from, eg, s.c.a.a.?
> 
> You have to remember! Mr. Joe hates being Chinese because of the stress
> that he endured from cultural shock while being a kid! I also went
> though cultural shock

No, you just were born with the umbilical cord around your neck.  Brain damage
is of course inevitable....

> 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:14:17 GMT

In article <RHB.92Dec12184144@world.std.com> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:

>But with Japanese people I do notice that it is very difficult
>to get into a Japanese conversation at all with them. They switch to
>English at the end of the first sentence and, even though my Japanese
>is passable and articulate, seem totally uninterested.

  Depending on the situation, how well they know you, and how good their 
English is, your milage should vary. In most cases, you cannot expect
a 70 year-old Japanese grandma to switch to English.

> This is what
>makes it so damnably hard to progress beyond my present plateau.

  You cannot expect too much from a FREE lesson. They are not there to
improve your Japanese.
  When I felt that my conversational English skill was reaching a plateau,
I found that some investment was helpful (e.g., a private tutor, a public
speech class at a local college, etc.)

> I am
>not rude, or condescending, or awkward. But the average Japanese you
>meet does not seem very willing to strike up a conversation in his own
>language.

   One of the reasons might be that many Japanese do not like to have
a "kono hito honto ni wakatten no kanaa" kind of feeling which we 
are often made to feel when we talk with a gaijin-san in Japanese.
IMHO, showing that you are capable of understanding Japanese correctly is
more improtant than not being rude or condescending if you want to
extract Japanese conversation with a Japanese. In this sense, not being 
awkward is very important especially when you talk to a stranger.

> Even when I say, "Shitsurei desu ga, jikosho^kai sasete
>itadakimasu," I will get an answer like, "Can I herp you preez?"

  As David Luke-san pointed out in his posting, this IS awkward.

> I
>really wish I had studied Italian or Russian or whatever, because I
>would get a lot more opportunity to speak it with people who don't
>mind talking to strangers.

  If Italians and Russians are more willing to use their native language
for communicating with you than Japanese, and if your final goal is
to talk with people in whatever their naitve language is, I don't see
any reason why you shouldn't start studying those languages from now.

  If your goal is to talk with Japanese people in the Japanese language,
it would be practical to learn a proper approach (as Luke-san mentioned).

--Michiaki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:55:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.014846.769@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>I personally find that Korean-ge ladies and Japanese-ge ladies are much
>>>prettier than Chinese-ge ladies.  I.e. I find the Korean-ge look and the
>>>Japanese-ge look to be far more pleasing.
>>Are you sure it's the "look" and not the voice?  I find Korean and 
>>Japanese language to be very *appealing* when spoken in a feminine
>>tone.
>>...[dental work of Japanese-ge women
>>... and breast-size of Chinese-ge women]
>>I guess, one man's dog bite is a another man's kiss.
>
>This is getting away from my original point.  The physical appearance among
>Japanese-ge women, Korean-ge women, and Chinese-ge women are different,
>generally speaking.  The statement that was quoted was not intended to say
>that anyone was inherently more beautiful (beauty is in the eye of the
>beholder with me considering Korean-ge women and Japanese women-ge to be
>prettier than Chinese-ge women)[1].

An interesting observation, in that Japan has a good number of immigrants
from Korea, China, not to mention Thailand, the S Pacific Islands. The only
"Real" Japanese are similar to the only "real" Americans: the natives, which
in Japan's case means Ainu. What is REALLY interesting is that I've seen a 
wider variety of complexions, etc, in Japan than I did in Korea or China.
Yet, DJ can tell the difference at a glance.

>All that I'm saying is that there is a difference (and with proper experience
>at looking at these various types of Orientals, one can tell them apart), and
>I happen to consider the Korean-ge and Japanese-ge features to be prettier
>--a lot prettier--than the Chinese-ge features.

The Japanese cannot seemingly do that in their own country. Everybody who 
looks even silghtly Asian is "Japanese" to them.

Mike
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:27:35 GMT

irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) queries and speculates with:

>[BTW- can i count on you to reply to my every post?], pick
>up a Macroeconomics book, and look under Trade.  That's where I got it.
>
>Thats kinda cool.  A 200 year plan!  I wonder how often it changes
>[probably monthly].

Brent: If you don't want reasonable counter arguments to your raving you
either have to tone it down to just "outlandish" or perhaps post a note
at the top of each specifying that you are aware of how crazy your
postings appear and don't require anyone to point it out.

The book (whatever book) isn't necessarily correct, just as you aren't
when you base your opinions on somebody's book.  You can pretend that
you can predict the future but most people will see through your
pretense.  You could have made similar claims to U.S. short-sightedness
in 1880, 1940 or today.  If you measure by a single measuring instrument
of your choice you always win if you measure on the whole you admit
that it was short-sided in one way and perfectly grand in another.

Winners and losers... if you won't accept the way life is then you have
no business playing the game.

BTW, Brent, nothing displays your lack of real insight (lately) better
than your offhanded remark about a 200 year business plan.  You don't
"wonder" about it at all, the rate with which it changes is irrelevant
and "monthly" is mere speculation on your part and I'll suggest a sure
bet to be wrong.

I can't figure out what your reason for pretending that whatever you
post is just plain right... we'll all agree if what you're looking for
is some stroking.  Grow up or lighten up or do whatever it takes to
give you some perspective.

Can I make it simpler than "you have no idea what Japan, Inc. ought to
do" ?

tom

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Talent in Japanese busines world
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:18:33 GMT

In article <BzBpoF.Cu1@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.014633.4285@sj.ate.slb.com> kumamoto@sj.ate.slb.com (Danny Kumamoto) writes:
>
>>In Japan, with most jobs (male or female), it usually doesn't matter
>>what your college major was, since management will decide for you
>>where you should work at (what matters is which college you came
>>from).  I know one mid-20's woman who majored in fishery (at Toodai)
>>but is now working as a system engineer (straight off of college) at a
>>well-known Japanese company (IBM Japan :-)!
>
>   This story of female Todai grad would rather tell the attitude of 
>a job seeker than the management policy of a company. If she is working
>as a S.E. for IBM Japan, that's at least partly because she applied for
>the company instead of a fishery company. I don't think that she was
>expecting that she would be able to make an extensive use of her educational
>background in IBM.

Two friends of my wife both got jobs at the same company (both graduates of
the same university). The one who majored in engineering was assigned to 
marketting, and the one with the degree in international business relations was
assigned to the computer section.

Japanese personel departments are famous for going with their "gut feelings" on
things (unless the employee is a foreigner, in which case s/he is matched with
their field of expertise).

>   This also tells about another possible problem in the college education
>in Japan. It's my impression that most undergrad courses in Japanese
>colleges/universities are not functioning as a occupational or professional 
>training. 

Mombusho is constantly trying to upgrade the Japanese University system, parti-
cularly in the various graduate programs. Toward this end, they attempt to 
enlist the aid (read: donations) from Japanese companies. The usual response
from the large companies is "We can teach them (the students as new employees)
everything they need to know. Anything else, we can send them to America to
study."

Mike
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:52:24 GMT

jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:

> IMHO, Russian youths kick-shiri on American kids in math and science on
> an average basis.  So do the Japanese, and just about everybody in the
> developed world.  The Russians lack a poli-econ system in which to
> prosper under.  
> 
> America in fact IS headed for the gutter and the youth are going to take
> us there.  I still think the true geniuses will succeed, but their will
> be even more disctinction between the haves and the havenots.  I don't
> think visions of the future like in the movie BladeRunner are that far
> off.  It's a paradigm thing, and the bottom line is that American youth
> are lazy and poorly educated in math and science.  Akio Morita of Sony 
> recognized that the key to economic success was technology and manufacturing.
> We can throw a little greed into it for incentive.  The only consolation is
> that Japanese youths are fast becoming just like American youths,
> spoiled, lazy and materialistic.  They'll be following us into the
> gutter unless the monbusho decides to take action. 
> 
> 
> It ain't slandering, dude; it's good advice.  I'm young, and I'm willing
> to listen.  I've got plenty of evidence.  Just go to any high school,
> home, etc...observe how youth these days think.  Ask, what are their
> priorities, goals in life, etc...Then ask how they plan to get there.
> The youth in America need major operating system re-write..because their
> priorities are just too screwed up.  Besides, your response is a good
> example of how a little bad mouthing of the youth will get them riled up 
> enough to prove I'm wrong.

Actually, I rather like the American kids a lot better.  The Japanese 
kids today seem so dull and uninteresting from all the juku stuff.  (My 
days were the golden ages: zarigani in the tanbo, tombo in the hatake, 
kuwagata and kabutos in the summer :-))

Russians always pamper their kids and are impressed and surprised that 
Americans send their kids off to fend for themselves early on in life 
(this is from a Russian lady).

The Americans may have a bad elementary school system, but come 
university, I don't think any other nation comes close (too bad it can't 
be exported in quantity).  I pull all-nighters left right and center at a 
Canadian university.  I couldn't imagine doing that at a Japanese 
university.

All kids somehow mature and make adjustments to live up to expectations 
in their society anyway.  I don't think it matters where you're educated.

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Top 10 Excuses by the TSU band for Shoplifting in Akihabara.
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:17:19 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science

In article <85601@ut-emx.uucp> mmigdol@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (michael a migdol) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.022506.1225@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In article <hit.724465319@sol> hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes:
>[Quoted stuff deleted]
>>
>>Among educational institutions, it is ranked close to last in academics.
>>On the other hand, it is also one of the poorest universities in the USA.
>>
>
>    If I remember correctly, they won some sort of World Debate competition
>earlier this year. Maybe they convinced the police in Akihabara that they
>were just *borrowing* the electronics. :)
>
>-Michael
>
No, they are asking the Japanese to return the "favor" for U.S.'s contribution
to Japan's economic miracle.

chunde
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