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From: kawai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (goh kawai - n6uok)
Subject: Re: WANTED : ICOM Customer Service phone number
Organization: speech research and technology, sri international
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:36:02 GMT

Thomas L. Carney follows up on Phil Howard's article:

    | | 4.  Put this on an 800 number.

    | That's unrealistic because 800 numbers cost big bucks... and they get
    | abused by customers...  ... overhead must be minimized and supporting
    | communications gear is costly... so unless a company has made some big
    | profits, and shuffled some of it to CS, nobody's gonna get a toll free
    | number for CS.

I'd like to provide a data point for comparing costs involving 800-number
service.  

I have 800-number service at work.  (This is for collecting speech data over
the telephone -- I work on speech recognition, and one of our applications is
speech recoginition over the telephone.)  I have ten 800-numbers connected to
AT&T via Pacific Bell for service in the lower 48 states including intra-state
and local calls.  For the last several months, bills have been about $5,000 to
$6,000.  On average, it costs just about $10 per hour of telephone time
(somewhere between $9.90 and $10.30).  This includes basic charges, actual
telephone charges, and so on.

If you have one telephone line supporting one 800-number, and if the line is
in use 8 hours a day, that's about $80 per day.  If your store is open 7 days
a week, 365 days a year, that's just under $30,000 per year, or about $2,500 a
month.  If you decide you need more than one telephone line for the same
800-number, you will need to increase your monthly budget.  In any case, by
limiting the number of telephone lines and the number of hours you will answer
calls, you can put a maximum cap on your telephone bill budget.

Considering the high cost of advertising in magazines and other publications,
and also considering the positive impact 800-numbers have on public relations,
I would suggest that large corporations (especially manufacturers such as
Icom, Kenwood, and so on) ought to invest in 800-number service for customer
support.  

Unfortunately, I cannot comment on customer abuse -- all my callers are
volunteers for a research experiment and are fully cooperative.

-goh-

----------------- Speech Research Program, SRI, Menlo Park, CA 94025-3493 USA
--- Goh Kawai --- work:(415)859-2231   fax:(415)859-5984   home:(415)323-7214
----------------- internet: kawai@speech.sri.com      radio: n6uok and jk1zyp
From: mikec@praxis.co.uk (Michael Chace)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Propagation Programs
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:27:27 GMT
Organization: PraXis Systems plc, Bath, Avon UK

Hi Folks,

Does anyone have any pointers to an archive site that holds 
Public Domain programs to assist with Propagation prediction ?
Ideally I need one that runs on the PC, Atari ST or Sun.

What sort of data do they require ?

Any recommendations for the best program ?

Thanks, Mike (G6DHU)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,uiuc.org.synton
From: aaa33750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Arnett)
Subject: ATV & RPT Balloon Flight SAT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:29:14 GMT


Here's the info I have on Saturday's balloon flight.  It should be good enough
to find it if you're in the coverage area.  Remeber these things are often
delayed due to wx, so your best bet is to listen to the HF net.
A
Balloon Flight
Bill Brown WB8ELK
Launch from Finley, OH
Usual ELK alt goal:~100,000 ft.

outputs:6W atv 434.000MHz hor polarization
       :146.43 MHz fm voice id
       :28.322 MHz am

repeater-  input:146.43
           output:atv audio
                  10m

est launch time:  10am CDT  Sat July 25.

HF net:  7.155 MHz

Disclaimer:  Anything here could be inaccurate, and my fingers are totally 
responsible for typo's and other misc. mistakes.

73 de 
Drew Arnett
kb9fko@uiuc.edu
352-5019 even.
Synton ARC  University of Illnois
From: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: tough life?
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:06:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Version: Rodney's UUCP modules 02/11/90 V1.18

In article <22824@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil
(Kenneth Stuart) writes:
> Anyway, as one of the oldsters who ACTUALLY REMEMBERS poking around
> the surface of a galena/iron pyrites crystal with a cats whisker, and
> suddenly hearing the old WFBR station (Baltimore) in the "cans", I just
> want to thank the originator and all the contributors who have added
> to these postings.

BUT I'm only 36 (as of today in fact) and I remember poking around on a 
galena crystal with a cats whisker on my first kit-built radio.  Does 
this make me an oldster? :-(  

--- eric (lets see if I can use my walker as an antenna for my spark xmiter 
	  on 7100 kc)
--
HOME: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us  HAM  ka1eec
WORK: 617.630.4687 (w)   johansson@athena.polaroid.com
source of the public's fear of the unknown since 1956
From: steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US (Steve Watt -- KD6GGD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Electronic Repeater Diretcory (was Re: 2-m Repeaters)
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:11:57 GMT
Organization: Steven Watt, Consultant   San Jose, CA, USA

In article <l78mapINNb97@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>Is this supposed to have anything that you can't get out of the ARRL
>repeater directory?  Only $6.00, pocket size, lists more repeaters on
>more bands than I'll ever use.

Yes, the important detail that's different is that I want the location info in
a form that someone who isn't familiar with the area can use:  Longitude and
Lattitude.  For example, if you're in the southernmost part of San Jose, you're
more likely to be able to use a repeater listed in Morgan Hill than one listed
in San Jose.  Yes, there is some hint to regions, but "South Bay" is a large
area.  And most residents of South San Francisco consider themselves part of
a region called "The Peninsula" than part of the "South Bay".  And there isn't
such a region.

Of course, the ARRL gets their info (as far as I know) from NARCC (repeater
council, norther half of CA), and NARCC has chosen to make these divisions,
but they are fairly artificial.  I'm hoping to build up enough of a database
that one could do the query something like "I'm traveling from point A to
point B, on a more-or-less straight line.  What repeaters are likely to be
useful?"

Other than the lon/lat info, most of the rest can be gleaned from the ARRL
directory, which I have a (many, actually) copy of.  I'm also collecting info
on how to place emergency/911 style calls, if the trustee allows giving out
that information freely.

>If you want something with the ability to get repeaters sorted by
>frequencey or call, i.e. database queries, have you asked ARRL about
>availability of their database for use by a server somewhere?

If this data _is_ online somewhere, I certainly haven't heard about it.  On
the other hand, I'd love to have it, if it's available.

>=
>Nets: levin@bbn.com  | "How does a mouse let me move the cursor anywhere 
>pots: (617)873-3463  |  I want?"  "What are address busses?"  "How do 
>              N1MNF  |  icons work?"              --Time-Life Books

Oh yeah, congrats on your callsign.  If I remember correctly, that's newer
than mine.
-- 
Steve Watt  KD6GGD     steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US
 ...!apple!wattres!steve  ...!mips!wattres!steve  ...!decwrl!gigo!wattres!steve
Left to his own devices, he'd be /dev/null.
From: cleveland@gold.gvg.tek.com (cleveland)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Operators in History
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:57:27 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Jul27.143448.6486@ncar.ucar.edu> ren@virga.ucar.edu (Ren Tescher) writes:
>>kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes in part:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone else know of similar historical (or biblical) figures?
> 
>Well, it seems the most important biblical ham has been overlooked,
>Hispanic Hams refer to Him as "Yaesu".(Jesu for the lingually impaired)
>8^)
>ren n0pvi

Let us not forget the beautiful Bach hymn "Yaesu Rig of Ham's Desiring".


Grover, WT6P


>dona nobis pacem
From: jangus@skyld.UUCP (Jeff Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Deed restriction bans all ham antennas
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:53:59 GMT
Organization: Grendel's Lair


In article <y4dmgwf.pdh@netcom.com> pdh@netcom.com writes:

  > Find the CLOSEST place near that neighborhood where there are no such
  > restrictions, and get a set of single band 1500 watt linears for every
  > band :-)

That's right....show the entire world what Amateur Radio is all about. And
while you're at it, refuse to talk to anyone else running less power.

xenon!skyld!jangus   < This space left blank intentionally. >
J Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA 90749-4425 voice (310) 324-6080
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: dube@cpdvax.CSc.ti.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: navigation beacons
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:06:03 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

I agree with Diana about Morse code being easier for a pilot to distinguish
in the maze of chatter that sometimes occurs in the cockpit.  In more than
20 years of flying in all kinds of conditions, I never had a problem with
identifying a beacon using Morse code, even in the worst of times.  

However, Julian is correct in stating that it could be done.  In fact, it
was incorporated at the Dallas VOR many years ago.  The first time I heard
it, I was somewhat taken by surprise to hear a throaty female voice chanting
"Dallas...Omni......Dallas...Omni....." over and over.  It was unique at the 
time for being about the only female voice you heard.  I suppose that, it it
had been a male voice it wouldn't have been so easily distinguishable amid the
rest of the din..

73,
Dube Todd        AB5AP          <dube@cpdvax.csc.ti.com>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: ren@virga.ucar.edu (Ren Tescher)
Subject: Re: amateurs in history
Keywords: but yes
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:00:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.230236.22281@convex.com> tonyp@convex.COM  writes:
;In article <1992Jul20.132740.0105090@locus.com> marcoh@lear.bos.locus.com (Mark Heroux) writes:
;}In article <76203@ut-emx.uucp> oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills) writes:
;}>
;}>Isn't there some guy in the Bible called Ham?
;}Ham was the son of NOAA.  NOAA is best remembered for his work
;}in connection with meteorology.
;}
;Meteorology? I thought he pioneered digital handshake-communications.
;Everyone's heard of NOAA's ARQ...

I have heard of NOAA's Weather Radio, the 40 day forecast was very
accurate.

ren nopvi
dona nobis pacem
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From: ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Comp.dcom.telecom Moderator attacks ham radio
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:02:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

The thing that's been bothering me is the "holier than thou" upholders
of true hamdom who insist on interfering with other hams.

Incident #1:  Field Day 92, I'm in the process of working some VI
station that is calling CQ field day on 20 meters.  During this
someone keeps talking over this guy without identifying to tell me
that he was caught cheating on some previous ARRL contest and is
disqualified from competition.  Great, we've got some guy that
perhaps is no longer in good standing with the league, but hasn't
broken any regulations, but we have this dunderhead who is breaking
the rules by intentionally interfering with other stations and not
id'ing (a good thing when you're breaking one of the big rules, I
guess).  Jeez, look, if the guy is really dq'd from contest
competition and the league removes him from my logs, big deal, two
points and maybe 30 seconds lost while I work him.  Not something
that really justifies this sort of thing.

Incident #2:  Repeater uses brand-X repeater controller so everyone
knows how to knock down the autpatch.  Another unidentified user
decides something he hears is not appropriate for the amateur service
and knocks down the patch.  He is not the (a) control operator of
the repeater (would have explained his actions to the guy he
interupted had he been).  Great, again unidentified intentional
interference with another user.  The transgression of improper patch
usage may or may not have been real (see recent discussions here about
what is music and business communications).  Also, this clod is not
the trustee of the repeater or one of it's designated operators, so
he's got no business messing with the control functions.

Incident #3:  Field Day 92, a health and welfare net is trying to coming up
on 20 meters for the earthquake in CA.  1 KHz up someone is calling CQ
Field Day, I call him and suggest maybe we should move up a few
because of the net, but that only gets me "2A North Texas, QRZ...

I doubt any of this has anything to do with the influx of CB'ers or
anything else into our hobby.  These eggs have been ticketed since
before incentive licensing :-)...
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: M16146@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Meteor skeds wanted
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:22:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.183446.28261@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>
little@nuts2u.enet.dec.com (Todd Little) writes:
 
>
>I'd like to try my hand at meteor scatter and collect some new grids
>on 2 and 6 meters during the perseids shower coming up next month. I'm
>looking for hams interested in schedules with a meteor novice.  My
>station has a Yaesu FT-726R, a Mirage B1060 amp, and a Cushcraft 215WB
>antenna (6m antenna depends on weather but is probably 3 element quad,
>not sure if that and 20W is enough).  If you're interested in
>arranging schedules with me, please contact me at:
>
>little@pecan.enet.dec.com
>
>or
>
>(708) 202-1030
>
>73's
>Todd
>N9MWB
>EN52
>25 miles NW of Chicago
I am looking for 10 meter meteor burst skeds from Southeast Arizona.
3 element beam, 'bout 100 watts, cw(fast- with tape recorder to decode)
or RTTY -- (other?) Assume 28311 suppressed carrier freq, arrange some
time schedule for xmit/listen.
Vern, AA7EI  home (602) 378-1124; work (602) 538-2435
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Re: New Radio Shack Scanner (BOGUS!).  What we really want. . .!
Date: 28 Jul 1992 15:04:26 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <27890023@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>108-118 is aircraft navigation stuff.  No voice.  Does anyone want to
>listen to that?  You aren't trying to land you plan with your scanner
>are you?

There's plenty of voice piggybacked on top of VORs. It's hard to copy most of
the time, since they have to keep the modulation down to avoid trashing the
VOR signal, but it's there. The ATIS (Automatic Terminal Information Service)
at the VOR at my home field, Ellington Field in Houston, is one example. Other
VORs have weather broadcasts, and most all of them can be used to transmit
voice to aircraft who've lost their comm receive capability.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.
"Right now, because of you, this city is being overrun by baboons." "Don't
 you think that's the responsibility of the voters?" -- _Naked Gun 2-1/2_
From: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AARL vs ARRL
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Organization: Broadcast Sports Technology, Crofton. Maryland.

In article <1992Jul28.051406.337@ips.oz.au> dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes:
 >
 >>There is some precedent for keeping a slightly antique name like the
 >>American Radio Relay League.  [ ACM history elided ]
 >
 >There is also the WIA - Wireless Institute of Australia.  I mean, who
 >calls radio "wireless" any more? :-)
 >

Here in the US broadcasting industry the latest and greatest thing
is "Wireless Cable" (talk about an oxymoron).

Elsewhere in the world it's known as MDS (Microwave/Multipoint Distribution 
System)

-- 
Michael Katzmann	  >	Broadcast Sports Technology Inc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	 <	Crofton, Maryland. U.S.A
Amateur Radio Stations:   >
NV3Z / VK2BEA / G4NYV	 <	opel!vk2bea!michael@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68  ARLB068
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:58:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

From article <lzcm!ph.stevew@netcom.com>, by stevew@netcom.com (Steven Wilson):
> 
> Yep,  they are considering changing the name to something like
> "American Amateur Radio League" or AARL.
> So What da ya all think?
> 
> Steve KA6S


I was willing to give up morse code entry requirements, spectrum for packet
from RTTY/AMTOR, etc. etc but this is just going to damn far for me.  I am
going into Old Fart Mode on this one.

Bob

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Subject: Re: music over the radio
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:01:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun) writes:

>>Now, how simple can you get!  It didn't list any exceptions ....
>
>But notice that the transmission of information ABOUT music is
>perfectly legal.  In other words, it IS permissible for me to

I've yet to see anyone explain how they determine this.

It does NOT SAY that it is perfectly legal, so you must be:

1.  referring to case law
2.  constructing a logical argument from the rules somehow
3.  making it all up

If 1 or 2, please explain.


>send via RTTY or packet or by speaking (not humming or singing)
>the following:
>
>    C D E F G A(440) B C
>    E D C D E E E(long), D D D(long), E G G(long)
>    E D C D E E E C D D E D C(long)
>
>which is a rough transliteration of "Mary had a little lamb...."
>In the same vein, I could send via SSTV or ATV a PICTURE of pages
>of sheet music, which, again, is merely a transliteration of the
>"real stuff" (music).  What is prohibited is the TONES of music.

Which of the following is the correct quote of FCC rules 97.113(d)

#1

"no station shall transmit: the tones of music;"

#2

"no station shall transmit: music;"


If your rule book indicates #1, I'd sure like to see a copy of it and
especially know who publishes it (National Enquirer maybe?).
-- 
/***********************************************************************\
| Phil Howard  ---  KA9WGN  ---  pdh@netcom.com   |   "The problem with |
| depending on government is that you cannot depend on it" - Tony Brown |
\***********************************************************************/
From: GARLOUGH@TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re:  Upcoming DXAC vote on DX Operating Practices
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:03:46 GMT
Organization: TGV, 603 Mission Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95060
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> 4. Operating Practices and Procedures: This section is a
> synthesis of the techniques and practices that most would agree
> good DXpeditioners and successful, considerate DXers follow.

This is a good idea.  Since control of the bands is mostly in the
hands of the DXpeditioners, they are the ones who need to be educated.
Educating the people calling in the pileups is important, but secondary.
To wit, the 3Y5X operation was pretty much a joke, save for when F2CW
was at the key.  As long as the DXpedition is making QSOs, it is a 
success, no matter how much boorish behaviour the callers are able to
muster.

> When working by call areas, the recommendation to the
> DXpedition operator is to ignore portable designation and
> recognize only call sign prefix numbers. For example, if KC1AG
> were in San Diego he would call with the [W1s] not with [W6s] or
> BOTH the W1s and W6s. The report states this particular
> recommendation is likely to be controversial. However, they
> point out the rampant abuse of the portable designation as the
> rationale for their suggestion. (Any comments?)

Rampant abuse?  I suppose the only possible way to really abuse the 
portible designation would be for me to sign WN4KKN when they are
taking 4's, WN4KKN/5 when they are taking 5's, WN4KKN/6 when they 
are taking 6's, etc.  If this is the type of abuse that people are 
concerned about, the DXpedition people need to find a better hash
than "call area."

Going by call areas is a poor operating practice in general, and 
asking K4TKM/6 to whip all the W4's to contact Egypt is absurd.  A 
much better practice is to hash things geographically, such as 
"QRZ North America" or "QRZ Europe."  Once again, this is really only
an issue for bad ops who travel.  These are the ones wasting everyone's
time taking the callers to task rather than simply getting the job 
(of making QSOs) done.  The good DXpedition op doesn't waste his time 
arbitrating; he just works guys.

> 6. Enforcement and Education: As the report states, ...malicious
> interference can to some extent be reduced by increased peer
> pressure against such undesirable behavior and by more refined
> enforcement techniques. 

Blah blah blah.  It's the ops who go on the DXpeditions who are the
root of most of the problems.  What is the League going to do, have
sanctions against lids who go on DXpeditions?  As I heard George
Fremin (WB5VZL) once say:  "*Anyone* can go on a DXpedition."  And
he's right.

--Trey, WN4KKN/6
  trey@tgv.com
From: dnewkirk@arrl.org (Dave Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re:Re: Morris is a cat
Date: 17 Jul 92 13:01:39 est
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) writes:
>Julian Macassey writes: 
> 
>>        I always thought Morris was a car. Then I saw a movie with a
>>Frenchman in it called Morris Chevalier. 
>> 
>>        So, is Morris a froggy, a moggy or a buggy? 
> 
>All this talk about Morris is beginning to Boris. (I couldn't
>help myself!)

Why only Morris code? What about those who prefer their Morris 
hot?



David Newkirk, WJ1Z                     |  voice: 203-666-1541 X280
Senior Assistant Technical Editor, ARRL |  fax: 203-665-7531
225 Main St, Newington CT 06111 USA     |  net: dnewkirk@arrl.org
From: dube@cpdvax.CSc.ti.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Telephone question
Date: 22 Jul 1992 11:56:38 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

This may not be the proper place to post this, but there are bound to be lots
of people with interests in electronic telephones of the day.  Here goes:
Does anyone remember seeing an atricle or advertisement in a Radio Electronics
magazine for a phone device that allows you to see the number of a caller?
I remembr seeing something a couple ofyears ago.  It was either a construction
article or an advertisement.  Reple
Replies to dube@cpdvax.csc.ti.com, please, and thanks in advance.

Dube        AB5AP         <dube@cpdvax.csc.ti.com>