From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Hello, Harish, and Bran
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:49:05 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
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9212.29 e.v.


Lowell Morisson quotes Harish Reddy and writes, I respond to both:

harish.reddy@factory.com (Harish Reddy) wrote:
>>I would love to learn more about 'Magick', partly for the power trip
>BD:                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>and, well, I think that it calls to me. I say think because it just
>>might be an extension of a desire for power ect.
>BD:                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>BD: Two good reasons *not* to respond to this person.
>

>BD.Harish, magic is not about power-tripping.  
>If you want real power over people go into politics. 
>
>

>Look, I'm not interested in having power over people.  I don't know
>why you misinterpreted, but the message that I am trying to convey is
>that 1) I don't know very much about Magick
>     2) I think that I would like to learn more
>     3) I am not sure why I am interested in Magick
>
>BTW Telling people not to respond to my message without finding out
>the truth is simply rude.


Response:

Harish, I think you were right and honest the first time.  Power is the
major lure to Magick and you knew enough to associate it.


Lowell Morrison responds to Harish:

Harish, I read your statments the same way as friend BD.  If you intend
to learn anything about magik, then the first thing to learn is to better
manipulate symbolism.  "a desire for power ect." is generally about power
over others.  If you had stated something like "a desire to gain power
over myself" or perhaps "a desire to control my own inate power", you 
would not have (IMHO) gotten BD's response.


Response:

BD was in a bitchy mood and took it out on Harish.  Harish was ambiguous
and BD (I assume 'BD' refers to Br'an) INFERRED a particular meaning.  As
I see it, this entire thread is a waste of time except for those posts
which addressed Harish's post directly.  Bran simply stirred up a shit-fit
which has rustled the newbies into a fluster.

As for you, Lowell (Uncle Wolf ;>), perhaps Harish was referring to
'self-empowerment'.  OR perhaps Magick IS about power and its relationship
to us.  If you'd like to share your wisdom regarding what you think Magick
is, how it relates to power, and why your awkward manipulation of the
symbolism called 'the english language' entitles you to be speaking about
the subject to begin with, I'd be much obliged.


Lowell:

It is inhearent in a question, that the question sets the stage for the
answer.  You set yourself up for the response you got.  BD was not being
"simply rude", his statement "magic is not about power-tripping" was good
solid information, and by it's phrasing (and symbolism) was a request
to others not to respond until you could work out a better question
based in part on his response.  It seems that you have done that, and 
I hope you get lots of responses that will help you in learning the
theory and practice of magick.


Response:

The kind of power-tripping that BD and you seem so flustered about is
EXACTLY what you are engaging in.  Note that it was BRAN who first
came on as 'an authority', telling us all what Magick is and is not.
'Good solid information' has been very scarce in this thread and I've
suggested to Harish via email that more success will be had via the FAQ
and some email questions than to approach the likes of the people who've
been strutting their penii around hoping to get them licked. ;P  Mmmmm


Lowell:

My statement (and there are others better qualified) is that
"Magick is in large part a matter of symbolism and intent, and therefore
you must master both symbolism and yourself first".  I myself have
real problems with the latter.


Response:

This is ridiculous and I'd like to formally challenge it.  

:::Thyagi throws down the rubber chicken of challenge:::

Please, explain what you mean by 'symbolism', 'intent' and 'mastery' in
both of these.  THEN, explain what you mean by 'yourself' and how 'mastery'
may be applied to it.  Elsewise, start emailing Harish for some lessons
on Magick.  Thanks.


Thyagi
Newsgroups: alt.magick