From: mpf1@ra.msstate.edu (Morris P. Fields)
Subject: Re: Here's why I love this guy...
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:17:17 GMT

mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes:

>In article <mpf1.722036329@Isis.MsState.Edu>, 
>mpf1@ra.msstate.edu (Morris P. Fields) writes...
>> 
>>Sounds as though you would have everthing given to you rather
>>than work for what you get.
>>If your problem is that you do not like us because ofsomething that
>>was done a long time ago or by some idiot then all I can say to you
>>is:
>>	Grow up. Get a life. and stop being one of the problems
>>	and start helping those of us that want to treat everyone
>>	for what there are and not what they look like and what they
>>	believe in.
>> 
>> 
>>Elliot, start trying to work at tearing down the walls not rebuild them.
>> 
>>		Morris Fields.
>>		Miss. State Univ.
>>		These are my opinions and that's all.
>> 
>Thanks for your reply Morris, but you (and most other respondants) have 
>missed the point completely.  The point is, if people are going to be 
>discriminated against because of the group to which they belong, it is from 
>within those groups that they need to work to erase that discrimination.  
>To suppress a race or a group for hundreds of years and then say to them: 
>"just forget about everything you've been through, just forget that as a 
>member of a class you have lost rights that others have enjoyed, and on 
>your own, by yourself, *****+++++>>>>> be 'excellent <<<<<+++++*****."

>I say to that, hogwash.

To live in the past is to not move forward, to complain about what
was done there is to live in the past (see pervious arguement),
you can not have it both ways you can either live in the present
and get on with life or you can live in the past an demand retribution
for what was done to someone else in your group that has been dead for
a large number of years.
I can not make up for something that I did not do.
I can not give you something out of gilt for what has been done 
to your people (be they black, Indian, Jewish, Irish, Catholic,...
of any other group that has been discriminated against in the past)
to do so would mean that if there was a wrong against anyone for anything
then there would be no end to the retribution seekers.  
I do not think that it is right to give out of gilt and that is
what all those groups that scream discrimination for the past want.
Emotional blackmail is the route that your groups are going and the way
that they seek retribution.
In the sixties all the groups wanted was that they be given a fair shot at
the good life through their own hard work and to lift themselves up.
But now it seems to me that all these same groups and a few more all
they want is to be empowered by the government to have a way to
get even with all the people that have been pushing them down or atleast
that have been pushing them down in the groups mind.
Get off your high horse and really consider what you are asking for.
Are you asking for equality or are you asking for power over other groups
that you feel should be given to you for you time as a down trodden people?

When you can truthfully answer that question and really undstand what
it is that you are asking then we can have a common ground to work
from but if you only want to take but not give then I and a lot of others
can not help you for we must try to move forward on our own not through
the empowerment by who has been the most victimized.

No, I have not missed your point that groups must band together to
stop their group from being victimized but it should not take the
position that their group is the only right group and should be treated
with defference.  You say that you want fair treatment and equaility
but all I hear is is that you want special treatment because of your
groups past and that doesn't wash when it has been over 100 years since
slavery ended here and 30 years since we had all that affirmative action
legislation pasted so there is no need for more special treatment for
these groups because there is a little piece of paper that says
"...that all men are created equal..".

I am tired of trying to make my point clear, you either get it or you don't.
Do the best that you can and judge not least ye be judged.
I stand on hard work and your own abilities not what you can get
from the govt. and let others live the best they can help where you
can but there are differences and there is nothing you can do to change
that.

I'm off my soap box now.
		Morris Fields
		Miss. State Univ.
		These are my opinions and nothing more.

		


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