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From: enigma@netcom.com (Enigma)
Subject: Re: Horny young iguana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 05:45:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <scgmg9l.bagus@netcom.com> bagus@netcom.com (Mark E. Ruedy) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.205503.1079@u.washington.edu> stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole) writes:
>>Has anyone ever seen behavior like I'm about to describe?  I'm a bit
>>concerned about my ig ig, Shep.  
>...
>
>>Last night he was roaming across the room and encountered a
>>stuffed green iguana toy which I've had for a while, and with which
>>is familiar.  It's probably three times his size, but he jumped
>>atop the thing and immediately turned into a raging horn dog! 
>...
>
>>...  ...  ....  He was biting, clawing, and grinding away for all he was
>>worth.
>...
>
>>So, what's up?  
>
>I'm no expert but I do have some experience to relate.  I was ig sitting 
>for T-REX a couple of years ago and I frequently let him and Juanita
>roam around.  Once I caught them fighting violently and T was obviously
>winning.  Well of course it wasn't until I interrupted them (by getting 
>within five feet), that I realised it was amore in the air.
>
>The reason I'm telling you all this is cause till this day,  I'm am
>T-REX's worst enemy.  He hates me and goes nuts if I come anywhere
>near him.  I've apologized again and again to no avail.  
>
>Whatever you do, don't bother Shep in his ecstacy.

Heh - reminds me of the time I opened the door to see what all the
crashing and thumping was, and found my iguana Reuben doing pretty
much the same thing with my then housemates new iguana.  NEVER have
I gotten such a dirty look from ANYONE.  Needless to say, I closed
the door and tiptoed away.  Reuben eventually forgave me, though.
-- 
Holly McGrath   <enigma@netcom.com> 
1803 Mission Street, #339          
Santa Cruz, CA 95060              
(408) 479-4072  (voice mail)
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Heat without Light
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:32:23 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

Gee, I didn't see the original question, but have you heard of "hot" rocks? 
They work great for my lizards.  I'm sure all mine would be dead without them
as it's impossible to insure a constant temperature in a room in Chicago.
From: mjahnke@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (******** Meg *******)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Psycho Ig
Summary: taming an iggy
Keywords: help!
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:00:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

How do you get an iguana who wants nothing to do with you to actually not mind
being picked up? I've had other ig's and they all calmed down in a week or two
after I got them, but not Perry! He bites and claws when you try to pick him
up, and I've had him for 2 months now... anyone have any suggestions?

-Meg
mjahnke@ucsd.edu
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Horny young iguana
Date: 26 Jul 92 07:05:10 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Jul22.205503.1079@u.washington.edu>, stevep@wrq.com (Steve
Poole) writes:
>Has anyone ever seen behavior like I'm about to describe?  I'm a bit
>concerned about my ig ig, Shep.  He's less than a year old (thus I've
>only been guessing that he's a he to begin with) and is very friendly
>and tolerant.  The last two days, however, he has become extremely
>flighty and intolerant of my picking him up, to the point where he
>flees or runs around blindly and frantically.
>
>Last night he was roaming across the room and encountered a
>stuffed green iguana toy which I've had for a while, and with which
>is familiar.  It's probably three times his size, but he jumped
>atop the thing and immediately turned into a raging horn dog!  I've
>only read descriptions of iguana mating behavior, but this was
>CLEARLY it.  He was biting, clawing, and grinding away for all he was
>worth.  He also turned from his usual bright green to an olive color.
>This went on for probably 15 minutes or more.
>
>So, what's up?  Is his biological clock off?  Is this normal for a
>prepubescent male iguana?  Is a change in behavior normal for adult
>male iguanas when they mate, and how frequently are they so inclined?
>
>I'm hoping that he got his rocks off and will have returned to his
>normal, happy state by tonight, but I'd sure like to hear from anyone
>with some thoughts on this.
>
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This sounds like a letter to Penthouse.  I've never seen this behavior in mine
( the humping that is).  Was there any head shaking or bobbing?
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: I just thought I'd say hi
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: Burmese Burmese Burmese
Keywords: Burmese, Burmese, thrombulator, Burmese
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:58:28 GMT

In article <gm43704@pro-haven.cts.com> warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin) writes:
>In <1992Jul22.160027.25546@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
>kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
>
>>BTW Fafnir's birthday is coming up in a couple of weeks-- anyone who's
>>been waiting with baited breath for the growth/weight/shed chart on
>>her, all will be published then... :-)
>
>        I'd be interested in that - I always wondered if my burm's growth
>        was normal or not.  Confused (that's her name) grew from 2' to 6'
>        in the first year that I had her.  After that, she's only grown
>        about 3' in the last two years. 

Ok, I'll cc you in on that.  Confused seems a little slight to me (but
you'll find out all about that Aug. 6th... :-)
BTW I am still looking for growth/weight charts from other Burmese
owners; I've already collected several from people on the net, but if
I haven't heard from you and you've got anything close to halfway
accurate records from the first 3 years of your Burmese's life, PLEASE
send 'em off to me!

>                                         Of course, for the last 1.5 she's
>        been brain-dead, due to a weird/funky disease or orther malady that
>        she caught around Christmas time 1.5 years ago - she can't feed
>        on her own and can only barely shed and drink.  The vets were stumped,
>        and I've seen several, including some snake specialists at the Vet
>        School here.  They were thinking it was paramixovirus (sp?), but
>        the symptoms don't quite match up, and the only test they have for
>        it is post-mortem!  Anyhoo, other than the above and lack of awareness
>        and neck-control, she's as healthy as a horse.  I kept on thinking
>        she'd die of whatever-it-was, especially if it was paramixo (no
>        snake with that has lived, to my knowledge), but it looks like she'll
>        live forever and ever.

Dude, that's totally weird...

-/-/-/-/-/-/
Kyle
'Women: a mistake?  Or did He do it to us on purpose?!' --D. van Horne
/-/-/-/-/-/-
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Congratulate me!
Date: 26 Jul 92 07:20:44 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Jul24.161628.7016@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
>I've just successfully hatched a green anole (Anolis carolinensis) egg.
>This was done as follows:
>
>Immediately after being laid, the egg was picked up and placed in a baby
>food jar on a substrate of slightly damp vermiculite.  The jar had a tiny
>hole in the top for ventilation.  
>
>I then put the jar in a corner of my terrarium, at a temperature of about
>75 to 78 F.  Throughout incubation, there was just a bit of moisture
>condensing on the inside of the glass jar, which is how I knew it hadn't
>dried out.
>
>This morning I went and looked at the egg and said to myself, "Oh, no, the
>egg has collapsed."  But then I noticed a small lizard running around
>beside it.
>
>The baby lizard is surprisingly large (maybe 1/4 of adult size) and mature-
>acting.  He has now been offered lots of water droplets and fruit flies.
>I've been told not to worry if he doesn't eat for a while.  The fruit flies
>are just the right size for him to feast on.  The water is probably going to
>be vitamin supplemented soon.
>
>This fellow is apparently the child of "Big Greenie," a green anole that I
>caught in August 1987 (yes, he's been with me 5 years, and was a year old
>when I caught him).  Big Greenie seems to be in his final decline now, so
>it's good that he has offspring.
>
>-- 
>==========================================================================
>Michael A. Covington, Ph.D. |  mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu  |  ham radio N4TMI
>Artificial Intelligence Programs | U of Georgia | Athens, GA 30602  U.S.A.
>==========================================================================
I'd like to hear about your success with this dude!  I hatched a few Anoles,
but they croaked shortly thereafter.  I thought it was because they weren't
eating, but maybe there were other problems.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances)
Subject: STAR TORTOISES
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:57:37 GMT

I have one beautiful, but lonely female star tortoise.   Does anyone out there
have any for sale?
                                       DEBRA
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: poor Micrurus fulvius, evil girlfriends, questions, suggestions
Keywords: don't trust those coral snakes [incredibly short article]
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:39:10 GMT
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division

In article <1992Jul20.220444.14434@osf.org> oaf@serverx.osf.org (Oded Feingold) writes:

>A FEW TRIX for maintaining yer Coral snake...

[seriously offered TRIX deleted]

Whoa!  Before other rec.pets.herpers start keeping coral snakes as per Oded's
suggestions, consider that coral snakes have one of THE most deadly venoms
of any venomous snake!  Coral snakes are from the cobra family.  They don't
have a super bad rep, mostly because they are shy, will run away in the
wild, and have trouble delivering lots of venom.  However, in captivity,
a Coral snake would have good opportunity and reason to nail its owner
good.  If it did succeed in delivering all its venom into, say, your pinky
finger instead of a pinky rat, you could die (or at least lose your finger).
Also, Oded noted that Coral snakes are good escape artists.  I would
personally not enjoy the thought of a Coral snake loose in my house,
probably just waiting to crawl into bed with me.

My domain is amphibians, and I don't claim to be an expert on Coral snakes
or venomous snakes or even snakes; Oded knows more; it's just that I'm sane
while Oded is not.

-- 
Michael Hall            \ Coming soon on Pi Yee Press, Stanford Wong's latest:
NASA Ames Research Center\"Professional Waterfall-Thingy-Quarter-Tossing",
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \discount available through winestuck@sdi.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: bagus@netcom.com (Mark E. Ruedy)
Subject: Re: Boa questions
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:51:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <12308@lupine.ncd.com> lemke@verbosa.ncd.com (David Lemke) writes:
>I got my first boa ~6 weeks ago, and have some questions that the
>books don't satisfactorily answer.
>
>Natasha is a 3 foot B. C. Imperator.  Saturday i Fed her 3 mice, 2 live
>(treat) and 1 dead (frozen).  Monday she spat them back up.  The book

You didn't say, so don't take offense at this question.  You did thaw
the mouse first right?  I make sure the food is completly thawed and
usually put the hair dryer on it to heat up the fur so the snake thinks
it's fresh kill.  If the thing is still frozen it could cause problems.


>I had been handling her for several hours at the time, and she'd had
>a swim just before that.  Will they act like other creatures and get
>motion sickness?  Should i worry (even more)?  She seems pretty happy

You should not handle the snake for 24hrs (at least) after feeding.

>  Should i feed her again immediately, or wait till

You should not wait too long.  A few days should be ok.

>
>i'm also curious about feeding regimens.  is there any real reason to
>feed one rat instead of the equivalent number of mice?  (other than 
>economic.)
>
>is it possible to overhandle a snake?  i hold her at least a couple hours 
>each night, longer on weekends.

again, not after feeding.

>she also seems to have an aversion to water, which seems unusual. i never
>see her in her water bowl, and she doesn't much care for taking baths.
>i have seen her drinking, so she gets what she needs, but isn't this a
>bit wierd?

Some of my boas like to sit in water, some do not.  I let them do what
they want.  They seem happy.

I am fond of boas.  They do very well in captivity.  Good luck.

-mark
Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:14:22 -0400 
From: Miyoko Erika Baensch <mb5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: My Iguana Won't Eat!
	<HBHwNB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca>
Distribution: world

a couple of other foods to try feeding your iguana (favorites of my
friends ig):
tofu
scrambled or fried egg
chopped spinach
bread dipped in milk
be sure to supplement your ig with calcium and vitamins!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Turtle tank
Summary: Turtle growing out of ten gallon tank
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 08:26:54 GMT



I've had my red eared slider for nearly two years now, and she's about 5"x4".
I think she needs more than a ten gallon tank. Right now she hardly has any
drying out spaces, because i dont know how much rock weight the 10g will hold,
 and I didn't want to reduce her swim space too much, because i don't want
her to get stuck and drown. I'm using a Penguin Mini power filter for her
water, and i have an undergravel filter going as well, because i got that
before I realized I needed a better filter. I had a heater in there, but it
was made of glass and she broke it one day during some frenzied swimming.

Just how big of a tank am I going to need? I think the biggest one i've seen
is 55 gallons or something like that and they cost about $189 retail, from
what i remember.

Is a human heating pad a good thing to heat the water of the tank? I'm kinda
not wanting to use this, but with the underwater heater, i have to change
something. are there under gravel heaters? I had a pretty big gravel in there 
so it'd look more like a river bed, but it makes it hard to clean, so i was
thinking about changing to mostly aquarium gravel, with a few rocks laying in
it. I used to have a penn plax shelf, but she's too big for it now.

Those largest tanks at the pet store had glass over 1/2" thick. I was
thinking for a drying out space that i could fashion somethign out of rocks
and mortar (I have a recipie for aquarium mortar that i got from rec.aquaria
at one time). She needs a nice big drying out place.

Another problem with the drying out space is that it's hard with the power
filter to get the water level low enough so that her back isnt touching the
tank lid. I'm thinking about getting a canister filter. Those run about $89
at the pet store, but i think would be really neat for this application.

I've seen recommendations for turtle tanks in books, but they're unrealistic,
because they all seem to be for baby turtles, and are all already too small
for my turtle (I'm a bum and haven't named her). they always have some
deadwood to climb on, but my turtle would need a log, and my house isnt big
enough to hold a tank that can have a whole branch big enough for her to
balance on when she's twice as big as she is now (i read she will probably
get to be 10" long). I worry about her, because I read that she need to have
a swimming area that is deeper than her at any of her dimensions , so if she
gets flipped over, she and just swim out of it. I've already saved her life
once when she got stuck upside down under her shelf (I don't know how she did
it, but luckily I was home to hear her thrashing around violently, whew!).


Help will be appreciated

jam
-- 
==============================================================================
Jennifer Mery |
Austin, Texas | guppy@wixer.catus.org
==============================================================================
From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: should I be worried?
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:44:56 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Jul23.130250.915@msus1.msus.edu> f00020@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.165257.121682@cs.cmu.edu>, rane+@cs.cmu.edu (Aaron Hughes) writes:
>> How long does it usually take for a snake to
>>get rid of it's skin after the eyes clear up? Anything
>>I should worry about? It's a young snake, but I don;t 
>>know exactly how young. 
>>
>It takes a week to two weeks for the shedding to occur.  If 
>you give it warm baths and rub downs with mineral oil, you
>can help your snake along.

Baths and misting with a spray bottle are fine, but I wouldn't use 
mineral oil.  I'm not sure why, I just have an itchy feeling that 
somewhere I've heard that mineral oil wasn't good for them.  Back to 
the books <sigh>.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Types of Reptiles (was: Re: Longest lizard)
From: deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Date: 16 Jul 92 16:33:38 GMT
Reply-To: deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
 <1992Jul16.003704.11192@u.washington.edu> <1992Jul16.023255.27197@news.eng.convex.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Summary: Tuatara

In article <1992Jul16.023255.27197@news.eng.convex.com> datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:

     (stuff deleted)

>Just what's the tuatara like?  I've seen mention of it, but never a
>description.

The Tuatara looks just like a somewhat spiny Ig.  You classification experts will correct 
me if I'm wrong, but I believe the difference in the Tuatara lies in its bone structure
and/or scale pattern on its head.  Does this sound about right?	

>I've seen mentions and pictures of another group, the Amphisinids (spelling
>terribly wrong).  These guys are legless and grossly snaky but have a
>segmented appearance and are usually fossorial and blind.  I'd never even
>heard of these until a few months ago.
>-- 

This I have no idea about. 
-- 


I don't need a .sig.
From: mojo@reed.edu (adrenochrome)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Snake color morphs ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:52:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul21.195202.12860
Organization: Hardline Salvage


Amelanistic==no black pigment; in corn snakes, this leaves red, yellow, and
a pretty neat-lookin' pattern.

Anerythristic==no yellow pigment.

"Albino" and "melanistic" are much abused terms.  "Albino" could mean the
same thing as "amelanistic" (in my experience, that's what it usually means
with kings & corns, at least) but could also mean no pigment at all.  God
only knows what "melanistic" means; probably black-pigment-only, but could
also mean an excess of black pigment ("chocolate").

Anybody know where to get a ghost (anerythristic hypomelanistic) corn?
-- 
..............................................................................
....Nathan Tenny........................tektronix!reed!mojo...................
.....................mojo@reed.UUCP.............mojo@reed.BITNET..............
.........don't forget to feed the mule........................................
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: snake/lizard update and naming dilemma 
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:56:00 GMT

Well, my roomate hollered at me today and told me to come in the room
He said: "The lizard and the snake like each other--their hugging!!""

Just kidding, both are fine.  Today I worked on taming the hog-nose.  He only 
musked my roomie once and after that was quite docile after some 
preliminary hissing.  I am fully expecting him to be backslidden to 
his original attitude of :"Get that giant hand out of here!!!!!"

Tomorrow the kids I work with at a summer day program are studying some
reptiles so I am gonna take my critters in.

Which brings me to a question, anybody out there know a good name for
my hog-nose.  I want a good name but I am at a loss.  I thought about
Hiss (After Disney's Robin Hood character) and Ka (From the Jungle Book)
butI don't think I like those for this snake. Anyone got any ideas???


Thanks 

Steve

--
srh3@ra.msstate.edu                              Oh, bother.

Steve Hollis                                      ---Winnie-the-Pooh
From: f00020@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Dwarf and African frog questions
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:33:20 GMT
Reply-To: f00020@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <MeNsMR200iUzA6ZGl4@andrew.cmu.edu>, Alexander Bernard Brands <ab3n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I've been thinking about getting a couple of African Clawed Frogs (Xenopus)
>I've had two before when I had a reliable source of earthworms to feed
>them and would give them goldfish once in a while.  However, I will be
>living in a dorm, and was wondering if there is something I could feed
>them, i.e. something that isn't alive, like tuna fish or beef, since the
>worms won't be available and the frogs eat so much that feeding them
>goldfish will require frequent trips to the pet shop which would be
>impractical from a timewise and economical standpoint.
> 

My fried, who owns Beneath The Sea Pets in River Falls, WI, says
to feed them beef liver or beef heart.  Both are high in protien
and iron.    

>    Also, a friend of mine wants to get a some of those tiny aquatic
>dwarf frogs.  I had one of these before, and kept it in a tank of
>community fish.  It seemed to eat the flake food, but not very much, and
>it only lived a month or two. Specifically, I was wondering;
>1)  What should they be fed? Are freeze dried tubifex worms good?  How
>about flake food?
 
The same friend says to feed frozen or live bloodworms and 
the plant hornwort.  Feed baby guppies to stubborn eaters.
DO NOT feed them  flake food or the worms (especially 
the worms!!!)

>2)  Do they require a heated tank?  If so, what temp.?
Yes.  Temp of 78 degrees.

>3)  Do they ever breed in captivity?  What conditions are required for this?
Rarely do they breed in captivity.  Contact your local pet store
about this because you will need to simulate springtime and it 
sounds a bit complicated to me. =)
I personally do not know anything about frogs all information
comes from Jean Dorame, owner of above mentioned pet store.
Her store phone # is 715-425-8303.  ;)
Hope this helps,
Ronda 

>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Anolis carolinensis - Captive longevity
Summary: 5 years in captivity, ~1 year before capture
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:01:16 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

This morning my first pet reptile, a male green anole captured in
August 1987, was found dead in his terrarium.  He had been in declining
health for several weeks and apparently the strain of shedding his skin
was too much for him.

He was 2/3 or more of adult size when I caught him, so I estimate he was
a year old at the time.  That would make him about 6 years old, which
is apparently a ripe old age for a green anole.

-- 
==========================================================================
Michael A. Covington, Ph.D. |  mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu  |  ham radio N4TMI
Artificial Intelligence Programs | U of Georgia | Athens, GA 30602  U.S.A.
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