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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3? How much bandwidth do we have?
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:59:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <9223901.1740@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>v129j6ed@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:

>Even if you don't accept that, it is clearly stated in the film that the alien
>does not draw blood when it captures/kills. In 3, the warder is definitely
>bleeding.. I remember because the "mopping up" scene was about the only scene I
>liked. (I have a very sick sense of humour.)

Brett was bleeding.  Parker was bleeding.  They specifically stated that
Dallas did *not* bleed, and we don't know about Lambert.  That's two out
of four, with a possible third.

I'd say the Alien draws blood.


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From: dwalter@student.UVic.CA (Dan  Walter)
Subject: Possible Foundation Movie
Originator: dwalter@student
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:55:32 GMT

I agree with the general opinion.  Foundation would make a bad movie just
like Dune.  Now the question is:  Which Asimov book would make a good movie?
I put my vote on one of the three robot novels.  They are essentially
detective stories in the future anyways.
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From: morten.steinhauer@thcave.no (Morten Steinhauer) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Another Aliens Question
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:46:00 GMT
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Reply-To: morten.steinhauer@thcave.no (Morten Steinhauer) 


hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:

Minutes in, seconds out:

  > wasted getting there, to try and get out of there alive?  Which she does of
  > course in a matter of seconds, as opposed to the minutes it took her to get
  > there.  Cameron at his best!  :^)

        To get to Newt (and eventually the Queen), Ripley spends
        minutes. She is walking carefully, dropping flares (or
        whatever) on the floor to find the way out, she may even have
        taken a couple of wrong turns, for all we know.
        On her way out, she is running for her life. She knows the
        way. Of course she uses seconds.

        Morten Steinhauer
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From: jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Startrek VI - the video
Date: 2 Sep 1992 21:12:18 GMT
Organization: UCB Space Sciences Lab
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In article <11210002@iftccu.boeing.com>, nebres@iftccu.boeing.com (Dan Nebres) writes:
|> I rented Startrek VI last weekend and saw a changed to a part of the
|> movie.  When the Klingon falls from the second floor and dies, the blood
|> is red, then a mask is pulled off revealing a human.  Was this edited in
|> to the video, because I don't remember this in the movie.
|> 
|> dan


Yes, this was not in the movie and was added later on.  The assassin is
the general or admiral that proposed the rescue plan to the president.


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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:30:34 GMT

mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:

>From article <u906789.714878216@bruny>, by u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner):
>> OK, the destruction of the dropship AND the APC which contained the transmitter is highly unlikely...

>Why?  It seems this was quite easy, and against a low-tech opponent.
>OK, the fact that the dropship hit exactly the APC in all the city is
>of very low probability.  Another plot device.  But the APC did not
>appear all that indestructible.

It looked pretty indestructable to me. Apart from the window...
From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3? Nothing!
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:59:00 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Did v129j6ed@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu really type:
> 
> What about the first film? The Alien there killed people, and with the
> exception of the eggs in the ship, it did not try at all to use people
> as cocoons.

Warning, Will Robinson!  There be spilers ahead!

Are you sure?

Ah, I see you haven't seen the cut footage of Dallas being used as a
cocoon, then...  I've been fortunate to see cut scenes of the first movie,
and I have a botleg of the second with such scenes as Riply finding out
her daughter died, Newt asking about where babies come from, Newt's
parents and brother, the colony on the planet, the robot machine guns...
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIEN question
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:25:06 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Aug25.215809.14447@sura.net>, by wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes):
> In article <5808@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>> I don't need people
>>wrecking the plausibility of film props just to show off their literacy.

> Some people just have *no* sense of humor...8->

This answer should have gone to talk.bizarre.
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From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3? How much bandwidth do we have?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:47:53 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes...

> As for Lambert.  They don't show anything happen to her at all....  Just a
> scream

    True, but Ripley finds both their bodies a little later. Both dead,
both bleeding.

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From: holland@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland)
Subject: Re: Naming Alien 4
Organization: University of B.C. Geophysics & Astronomy
Distribution: all
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:27:39 GMT
Expires: October 31, 1992.

In article <2780@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
>|>> 
>|>> ALIEN!
>|>> ("alien factorial")
>|>> 
>|>> or...
>|>> ALIENTH
>|>> (1/alien)
>|>
>|>what about   dAlien/dX
>            
>   What about Alien 4? I mean the thought that the third film was called
>"Alien Cubed" or "Alien^3" is just ludicrous.
>   

Its called an "in-joke"!

Hows abouts:  ALIEN(4)     (for the computer nerds in the audience)
         or:  ALIEN_4      (for those who are familiar with TeX)
         or:  ALIENS 2     (for people who think that Cameron is the
                            only personh who knows how to make an
                            alien movie)
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Alien Cuisine: What did Nipper nibble on?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:12:15 GMT
Organization: sio
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu

After Nipper (an attempt to personalize an Alien here) leaves Kane dead
in the Nostromo's mess hall, How Did It get so BIG?  Did it drink
water all day in the "room where is rains" or did it break into
the food stores, like a nasty tribble?  Does it eat most anything?
Metal, plastic, cloth?.  Does it wash it all down with sulphuric acid?

Even a hundred or so humans can't be enough food for an egg-producing
queen.  WHAT ELSE DO THEY EAT?

Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu  
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From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3? (long)
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:16:43 GMT


In a previous article, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) says:


>Charles E Gibbs writes:
>
>>Well, I think they had a workable premise.  If MIchael Biehn had signed
>>on, it might have been a different story.  However, if there is another
>>movie, there still might be salvation for this one.
>
>You think that having Michael Biehn would have made the movie any different?
>Sorry, but an actor can't do anything without a role.  What good would
>substituting him for any of the other nameless prisoners have been?  I think
>Cameron's fixation with Biehn is starting to rub off.
>
>Or did you mean having *HICKS* in the movie?

I mean that if Hicks could have been in the movie they might have been able
to come up with a better working premise than what they had.  There's no
guarntee, but I'd like to think it was a realistic possibility.

Charles Gibbs
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:51:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <9223913.16604@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:

>There is no plot hole, if you think about the way the marines deploy their
>equipment. The following four facts are from the film...

>1) There is a second dropship on the Sulaco.

>2) It can be brought down by remote control by Bishop and (presumably) Ferro,
>and maybe even by other members of the squad (Spunkmeyer?)

>3) There is a remote link to the Sulaco aboard the APC.

Why do you make this assumption?

>The marines can be evacuated either by their dropship or by the second dropship
>from SULACO. The only way they cannot get off is if both the dropship and the
>APC are destroyed. (Unfortunately, this is exactly what happens.) To this end,

The APC was not destroyed (at least, not until the whole thing blew up).

Which implies that the APC does not have a link to the Sulaco (or else
they would have used it).  Which implies that the only way to get the
second dropship down is to use a land-based signal that may (or may not)
exist on the planet they are on.

Sounds pretty iffy.


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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:06:07 GMT

mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>> } Why was nobody left behind to look after the ship.
> 
>> Again, why do you feel it was necessary?

>(Soothing, as to a small child) Well, you know, they did not really
>intend to wait so long to get off the planet.  They just couldn't
>because they had lost their dropship and there was nobody on the ship
>to figure out that perhaps a crashed dropship meant they were in
>trouble.  So perhaps half of them would have been saved.  But of
>course, that would have reduced the body count.  So instead of finding
>a credible excuse, we just leave the viewer with an incredible
>premise.

Everything that possibly could go wrong, did go wrong(and then some).
If the dropship is damaged/destroyed normally someone remote-pilots the
2nd one. But the transmitter was also destroyed preventing this from being
done.
  The destruction of the dropship was a  totally unforseen event which
normally would probably be highly unlikely

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From: eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation Movie
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:51:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.185532.8599@sol.UVic.CA>, dwalter@student.UVic.CA (Dan
 Walter) writes:
> 
> I agree with the general opinion.  Foundation would make a bad movie just
> like Dune.  Now the question is:  Which Asimov book would make a good movie?
> I put my vote on one of the three robot novels.  They are essentially
> detective stories in the future anyways.

Nightfall, Nemsis I think would make good
movies
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From: jcm@hgc.edu (James McKim)
Subject: Re: Help with movie title
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:26:27 GMT

In article <27AUG199213400315@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:
>In article <MARKF.92Aug25181253@montreux.ai.mit.edu>, markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes...
>> 
>>  I am helping a friend who is trying to discover the name (and any
>>other info) of a movie that he remembers seeing on TV around 1968.
>> 
>>  The movie is set at some time in the not too distant future and
>>centers around a game called "the big hunt". In this game a person
>>registers his name with a big computer and receives the name of
>>another person who has decided to play the game. Once this exchange
>>has taken place the objective of the game is to kill the other person
>>(before he/she kills you, of course). If you kill the other person you
>>get some large sum of money and are protected from the law - the game
>>is apparently sanctioned by the powers that be.
>> 
>>  My friend remembers that the hero of the film was a profressional
>>participant in the game and had blond hair. He also believed that the
>>film opened with a scene at an equestrian meet where a rider (with a
>>gun in his hand) clicks together the heels of his boots (given to him
>>by his unknown nemesis in the big hunt) and the boots explode.
>> 
>>  If any of this rings a bell for you please send me e-mail. Thanks.
>> 
>When you get the answer to this question could you send it my way. Thanx.
>
>Cass  edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (expires 9-4-92)
>  or gt9153a@prism.gatech.edu
>
>
>

The 10th Victim, or something close to that. You had to win 10
times to gain the prize. Starred (I think) Ursula Andress as the
victim and the star of Tom Jones (whose name escapes me) as the
hunter.

-- Jim 
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Alien 3 (NOT Aliens^3) script that I saw
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 06:43:06 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:

> Several months ago, when perusing the files of a local BBS, I saw a file
> labeled "Alien 3 Script." 
>
> The SULACO was boarded on the way back to Earth by a ship from the
> empire that the U.S.S.R. has become (this was written before the breakup
> of the Soviet Union). 

The Soviet Union angle makes it sound like it's William Gibson's script,
actually.  I know that a script proporting to be Gibson's has been making
the rounds at conventions.  Gibson had to finish it extremely quickly in
order to get it turned in before a Writers Guild strike.  

Somebody's going to get a really great book out of the hell that they had
to go through to get that movie onscreen . . .

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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:37:16 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <92Aug21.154901.30393@acs.ucalgary.ca>, by jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell):
> In article <dejohn.714385608@unix1.tcd.ie> dejohn@unix1.tcd.ie (derek edward john) writes:
>>1  Why in aliens when the marines go down to the planet is nobody 
>>left to pilot the ship in orbit?

> a) Made for a bad movie, deus ex machina ending, or...

That is a complete non-argument.  Indeed, it makes for a bad movie if
it has to dumb its characters and their actions down to an
unbelievable degree to make it work at all.  Good films are those that
manage to live within the limits of credibility.

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From: spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: Script Query: _The_Princess_Bride_
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:59:16 GMT

I started this branch of the thread with:

> :-)  but the whole scene is a gem... (even if it is bullshit
> swordfighting, which someone has said on this newsgroup before)

In article <1992Aug25.231031.17357@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, ins894r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley [Wigs]) writes:

>Personally, I love the entire movie, but hey - thats IMHO :)
>
>Of course a quote that comes to mind is during the battle of Wits:
>".. and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals .."

Well, it goes without saying that the entire movie is great (So why did
i just say it?)

Hm... at the risk of starting one of those stupid endless "Gee, my
favorite line is ___" threads...

(Isn't it about time for someone to cut in and start bitching us all out
for not including spoiler warnings in our titles?)  :-)

Other favorites of mine are:

"My way is not very sportsmanlike."

Whatever the line is that Buttercup says to Westley in the fire swamp,
shortly before/after he says "Well, I'm not saying I'd like to build a
summer home here, but the trees are quite lovely" (which is a favorite
also).  If you MUST correct, do it in e-mail and I'll post a followup,
otherwise 10 people will end up posting the correction.

"Fezzik, tear his arms off."
"Oh, you mean *THIS* key."

BTW, a friend of mine and I are very much undecided on the
interpretation of a line.

Miracle Max and his wife (forget her name) are waving goodbye...

(shouted) "Goodbye! etc."
(aside to Max) wife: "Do you think it'll work?"
(aside to wife) Max: "It would take a miracle"
(shouted) "Goodbye! etc." (again)

You all think this refers to the pill itself that's supposed to revive
Westley, or the attack on the castle?

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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Another Aliens Question
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:56:31 GMT

	While we're on the subject, why did Ripley bother to torch ad 
destroy all the eggs at the end of Aliens, when the planet was going to blow
up anyway?  Wouldn't it have been more smart to save her ammo, as much as she
wasted getting there, to try and get out of there alive?  Which she does of
course in a matter of seconds, as opposed to the minutes it took her to get 
there.  Cameron at his best!  :^)
			-Casey Hopkins
From: msmith@lssec.bt.co.uk (Martin Smith)
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Subject: Re: Russian movie "Stalker, The Zone" anyone seen it in USA
Keywords: Zone Russian movies
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:38:09 GMT
Reply-To: msmith@lssec.bt.co.uk (Martin Smith)
Organization: BT D&P, London Engineering Centre

In article <1992Aug27.172616.26031@nsc.nsc.com>, robertk@nsc.nsc.com (Robert Krohn) writes:
|> Has anyone seen this movie ?
|> 
|> It deals with 3 guys who break out of futuristic jail and venture into
|> a forbidden zone.
|> 
|> robert

Possible spoilers follow if that worries you.



Hmmm, interesting you mentioned a jail. Are you getting it mixed up with
another film?

The film "Stalker" is based on the excellent short novel "Roadside Picnic" by
Boris and Arkady Strugatsky. The premise of which is that the Earth has been
subjected to a mysterious alien visitation. They took no notice of us - just
came and went. The sites of the visitation, "Zones", contain mysterious
artefacts the aliens left. One character conjectures the aliens came for a 
picnic and left their rubbish behind. "Stalkers" illegally venture into the
Zone to recover the treasure and many die in the attempt.

The Tarkovsky film was released on video over here a few months back as part
of a classic cinema collection. I'm not sure whether it's on release in the US.

Other books by the Strugatskys can be hard to find but are well worth
seeking out.

Martin

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