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From: vwulpen@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Henk Van Wulpen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: New Age: NOT! Contemporary Instrumental: YES! + E-music
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:38:07 GMT
Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen


Some years ago, I heard someone on the radio use the term 'Esotronic
Music'. Although it is definitely not a good replacement for 'New
Age', it certainly fits for a lot of music that is usually labelled
under New Age (e.g. the early Tangerine Dream albums, Klaus Schulze,
Robert Schroeder,... ) simply because it is such weird music that it
doesn't seem to fit anywhere. Of course the word 'esotronic' already
suggests that the music is electronic only, which is not at all the
case.

My 0.50 Bf :)

-Henk.

 
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From: burley@apple-gunkies.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Craig Burley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Best New Term for New Age: PC
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:58:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Free Software Foundation 545 Tech Square Cambridge, MA 02139
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Yes, after reading all these posts with ideas for category names such
as Contemporary Instrumental and Estronic Music, I've come up with
the best possible name, one that will:

    .  Withstand the ravages of time

    .  Be suitable for electronic, instrumental, acoustic, vocal, and any
       mammalian/reptilian/amphibian/insect-based instrumentation

    .  Promote cooperation and understanding among all composers
       and their fans

    .  Encourage more and more composers to write for this category

    .  Be a godsend to recording-company marketers everywhere

    .  Be registered as a trademark with me as owner, so I can exclusively
       control who gets to label their music as such

And, here is the new category name, the one whose very initials, "PC",
will create excitement, tension, and various denouments throughout the
music industry, the world, and the na-universe of spiritual entropy:




                         Pending Categorization



So, whaddy'all think?  :-)
--

James Craig Burley, Software Craftsperson    burley@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Member of the League for Programming Freedom (LPF) lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: elana@agora.rain.com (Elana Beach)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: New Age: NOT! Contemporary Instrumental: YES! + E-music
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:03:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C030q4.1yJ
Organization: Open Communications Forum

In article <1992Dec27.223807.19853@cs.kuleuven.ac.be> vwulpen@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Henk Van Wulpen) writes:
>
>Some years ago, I heard someone on the radio use the term 'Esotronic
>Music'. Although it is definitely not a good replacement for 'New
>Age', it certainly fits for a lot of music that is usually labelled
>under New Age (e.g. the early Tangerine Dream albums, Klaus Schulze,
>Robert Schroeder,... ) simply because it is such weird music that it
>doesn't seem to fit anywhere.e
>
>-Henk.

Say WHAT?  
WHERE did you here this term being used?  What radio station?

"Esotronic" was a short-lived term that had it's beginnings in the early
pages of DREAMS WORD.  There was a name discussion in DW, and "Esotronic"
originated there.  It eventually got nixed when the term "E-music" got
a more favorable response from the E. Dreams membership.  

> Of course, the word 'esotronic" already suggests that the music is 
> electronic only

That was part of the whole point.   Still is.

E.
Xref: sparky rec.music.newage:4169 rec.music.misc:29797
From: mephdbo@prism.gatech.EDU (Cosmic Stranger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,rec.music.misc
Subject: Computer Musician Coalition
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:21:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.newage
Organization: ***

In mail I got a very interesting package from this so called Computer
Musician Coalition. They publish a nice catalog/magazine called After
Touch and it basically deals with e-music/newage music/etc.. Looks
very interesting with artists' biographies, discographies, interviews.
The CMC membership looked a bit expensive to me. But the mag 
subscription rate was allright. These people are involved in marketing
and promoting new e-music artists.

Sometimes I wonder at this rate how am I ever gonna listen to all
these music. These artists seem to be coming out of the woodwork like 
crazy..As it is I cannot afford to listen to 70 % of the music out
there..:-)

I think if you write to these people they may send you a packet too.
If you were on the mailing list of the (now defunct I think)  Music
Society in Canada you may have already got a copy.

Computer Musician Coalition
1024 W. Wilcox Ave,
Peoaria, IL 61604
309-685-4843

d.
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From: andrew.brewer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Andrew Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: VOLKSWAGON AND ENYA/CLANN
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: andrew.brewer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Andrew Brewer) 

>the background music for this commerical sounds quite nice

The piece is called "Harry's Game" and was featured for about a minute
in the movie Patriot Games.

The group that performed it is an Irish band called Clannad, consisting
of Enya's sister Maire Ni Bhraonain (vocals) and her brothers
(instrumentals).  However, don't be fooled by the song - it's not a
typical Clannad piece.  Most of their stuff delves deep into Celtic Rock
(Bono likes to pop up once in a while to sing a duet).

Harry's Game is on their latest "Anam" and on their last work (the name
escapes me).
From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Definition please?
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:53:14 GMT
Reply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

I know it can be difficult to define any particular classification
of music, but could someone have a try at defining new-age music?

Also, would 'Clannad' and 'Enya' fit the bill?

thanks,
tommy
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,rec.music.folk
From: zant0001@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Zanto)
Subject: Re: Technicalities of "newage" music
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:58:14 GMT

In article <Bzw8q2.6KA@dcs.ed.ac.uk> tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes:

>Here's another attempt at describing the sort of sound I am trying to
>capture: from Enya's "Shepherd Moon"
>	Carribean Blue has it,
>	Book of Days has it,
>	Afer Ventus has it,
>	How can I Keep from singing has a touch of it
>
>	Marble halls doesn't have it.
>
>What is "it" ?  :-)

It's funny you mentioned all of these songs, I think I understand what it
is you're finding melodically pleasing in all of these.  I think it's
Enya's singing, and perhaps even a faster background rhythm, but whatever
it is, it's sure not hard to tell when you've encountered a song with this
'magic' if you will...

Eric

Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,rec.music.folk
From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: 'Newage' music
Reply-To: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Distribution: world 
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:58:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.072947.19917@muddcs.claremont.edu>, irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:
>I've taken talk.music.newage out of the Newsgroups: line, since this no
>longer really relates to the "New Age" religion.
>
>I had asked:
>
>> What I'm really interested in, though, is why Christian folks mentioned
>> Clannad and Enya in their discussion of the evils of "New Age". 
>
>Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) replied:
>
>> If you're expecting a rational reason, you're probably looking in the
>> wrong place.  (Flaky reasons abound, of course.)
>
>I'd settle for a flaky reason. Even something like "The word 'clannad' means
>'devil-worshippers' in ancient Aramaic" (I should point out for the benefit
>of the gullible in the crowd that this is probably not true) would be ok. If
>I said "Hey, you Christian, why do you think Clannad and Enya are evil?" I
>want to know what the queried would say; I don't particular care if it makes
>sense or is rational, as long as it's vaguely comprehensible.
>
>I ask because some of my best friends are Christians (grin), and several of
>them are big fans of Clannad and Enya, so I was at a loss to conjecture why
>Christians would find them objectionable. The "New Age religion is bad; new
>age music preaches New Age religion; new age music is bad; Clannad and Enya
>are new age music; Clannad and Enya or bad" chain, though flaky and not at
>all something I agree with, is at least understandable. But the original
>poster made it sound as if the Christians in question were citing Clannad
>and Enya as reasons why new age music was bad, not as examples of new age
>music (which had previously been proven to be bad)--in the sense of saying
>"See, these new age musicians Clannad and Enya say bad things, and they're
>new age..."
>
>Anyway, it's late and I'm rambling; to sum up, I'm looking for "things about
>Clannad and Enya to which a Christian would object," other than the fact
>that they're labeled as "new age". My motive is entirely curiosity, if
>anyone was curious. (grin)
>-- 
>Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
>Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
>"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."


For patriarchal evangelical types, part of the "danger" of the so-called New
Age is the spectre of women doing their own thing, the spectre of women not
being submissive to men, frankly.  So Enya and Clannad (the latter a woman-led
band) would logically seem threatening to such folks, however innocuous they
might seem to the rest of us.

michael mcdonald
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: bobpassl@boi.hp.com (Bob Passell)
Subject: Pedal Steel & Electric Guitar combo
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:18:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

About 3 weeks ago I heard some material from a collaboration
between one-time Be-Bop Deluxe frontman Bill Nelson and
"some-other-guy-whose-name-escapes-me" on pedal steel
guitar. I haven't been able to track it down locally,
does anyone out there have more info?

Bp

Organization: University/Publications & Printing, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:08:38 -0500 
From: "Daniel E. Tyson" <dt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Marco Cerletti

 I'm looking for a cd by Marco Cerletti, he plays the chapman stick and
I heard it on Echos. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dan
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: "Dan Thompson" <p00166@psilink.com>
Subject: Volkswagon and Enya/Clannad
Organization: Vibrant Graphics
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:43:21 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

I have recently been seeing a series of Volkswagon commercials -- 
talking mostly about "driving is a passion" or some such marketing 
scheme.  Anyway, the background music for this commercial sounds quite 
nice, with some similarity to Enya, by my hearing anyway.  I have played
back through my Enya (Enya, Watermark, and Shepard Moons), and have not 
heard it.  Perhaps it is Clannad? -- I've heard that they are similar.

So... does anyone recoginize this music, or was it just done for the
commercial?

Thanks.

Dan Thompson
p00166@psilink.com
From: charly@hal.COM (Charly Rhoades)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Electronic Country Space Music (Was Re: 'Newage' music)
Keywords: classification
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:13:10 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: renoir.hal.com

In article <C04y4p.45y@ra.nrl.navy.mil> buck@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Loren Buchanan) writes:
>
>P.S.  Does any one know of any electronic instrumental country space rock
>recordings (you know with synthesizer(s), guitars [acoustic and/or electronic
>and/or bass and/or steel], fiddle(s), with a danceable beat).  Please start
>a new thread for a response to this request.

(Joke mode was off, wasn't it...?)

Have you ever listened to _APOLLO:_Aatmospheres_&_Soundtracks_, by Brian
Eno with Roger Eno & Daniel Lanios??

I am (and I suspect always have been) a major fan of Brain Eno's work and
the ethic he embodies, but when I first listened to this recording after
it was first released, a group of songs near the end of the recording
seemed, well, out of place -- even out of character (which is something
for such a malleable chap as Eno).

Well, these songs featured twangy, bouncy guitar.  The trademark sweeps of
sound still washed along the background, swelling to the fore at the oh-so-Eno
glacial pace, then receded again.  But there was this ... well, western
guitar-sound.  I wasn't sure what to make of it.

I have since some to appreciate these songs  quite a lot over the years.
I think the guitar is Lanois' influence (and is very likely a pedal steel
in places).  I have yet to see the film the music was written for, but after
some thought, I could understand, even appreciate, the wry humor of writing
C&W space music for a documentary on these audacious American pioneers to
the moon.  (The former-astronaut character from _Northern_Exposure_ and the
great characterizations in Wolfe's "The Right Stuff" I think contribute to
this feeling of mine, too, and confirm it's "rightness.")

I think you should give these songs a listen if you are truly searching for
the qualities you describe above.  (Well, I don't know about the "danceable" 
part...)  The songs are:

- "Silver Morning"  (check this one out first!)
- "Deep Blue Day"   (still gives me tingles to this day!)
- "Weightless"      (Nashville guitar-feel. Not so spacey, just lethargic)


Also, a few songs from Michael Brook's _Cobalt_Blue_ might fit the bill, too.
I'll try to forward some specifics...

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From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Starsend
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:50:01 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi,

	Starsend is WXPN Philadelphia 88.5fm weekly spacemusic program.  It
runs from 1 to 6 AM on Sundays Mornings.  It was started, I believe by John
Diliberto (Echoes) around the time of the Bicentennial.  John created it in
response to the enthusiasm of WXPN listeners to the new stuff then by Klaus
Schulze, Ashra, etc.  The program has inspired many second and third 
generation artists in the area like Xisle, The Nightcrawlers, D. Andrew Rath,
George Wallace, Paul Woznicki and Darren Kearns.  Some of the hosts for the
program have included Goeff Townes (also of Echoes), Floyd Miller (former host
of the cancelled Blue Genesis jazz), Gene Daley (now active in LA?) and 
currently Chuck Vanzyl (founder of Xisle and the Synkronos Label).
	It's advertised as "A catalyst for you fantasies, a soundscape for
your dreams" and plays the standards like TD, Schulze, Ashra as well as
ambient, acoustic and super mellow spacey jazz as well as mellow avante-garde
like Robert Ashley.
	With WXPNs new transmitter anyone within 60 or so miles of Philly
sould get decent reception with a rooftop yagi antenna.

	Andy Wing

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Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice
From: mbr2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Curious Of All Natures)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Walking Music
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:46:54 GMT
Reply-To: mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Universtiy of Chicago


	I put on headphones when I go walking, and like to listen to
real powerful, rhythmic, unstoppable-feeling stuff.  Sounds that work
for me mostly fall under the new age heading, though I've had bad luck
buying in this realm because most new age music is too airy and mellow
for me.  The examples will best illustrate.
	I'm looking for recommendations, so if anyone knows of more
music of this variety, please let me know!

1812 overture, ride of the valkries, night on bald mountain, etc.
Outback, especially _Dance the Devil Away_
some by Vangelis, eg 'Pulstar' (on _Albedo 0.39_)
                     'Dragon' (on _China_, I think)
                      end titles to Bladerunner (on _Themes_)
Tomita, _Pictures at an Exhibition_ (parts)
most of the soundtrack to _Akira_, by Geinoh Yamashirogumi
Simon&Garfunkel, 'Cecilia' and 'The Boxer'
some by Art of Noise, eg 'Roller1' (on _In No Sense? Nonsense!_) 
                         'Back to Back' (on _Below the Waste_)

'Back to Back' is the ultimate in walking music - I highly recommend it.

-Matt Ryan, on the verge of whatever comes next,
mb-ryan@uchicago.edu                Curious Of All Natures
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If I'm awake, never let me sleep.   When you're traveling with me.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: Pedal Steel & Electric Guitar combo
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:54:25 GMT

In article <BzqB2B.M65@boi.hp.com> bobpassl@boi.hp.com (Bob Passell) writes:
>About 3 weeks ago I heard some material from a collaboration
>between one-time Be-Bop Deluxe frontman Bill Nelson and
>"some-other-guy-whose-name-escapes-me" on pedal steel
>guitar. I haven't been able to track it down locally,
>does anyone out there have more info?

I don't know anything about the album, but the only big name I know of
in new-age pedal steel guitar is B.J. Cole. Ring a bell?
From: frankc@offserv2.tgf.tc.faa.gov (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: BMG
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:13:33 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: offserv2.faa.gov

jvb7u@Virginia.EDU (Jon Brinkmann) writes:

>> On Mon 21-Dec-1992  9:48a, Saltheart Foamfollowe wrote:
>> 
>> So, for about 6 mailings and invoices, I would write right on there 
>> asking them to cancel my membership.  I would also send a request with 
>> each CD I returned.  It finally got so damned frustrating that I sent the 
>> following letter:
>...

>Amazing!  I've never tried to quit BMG... I've been a member of their
>classical music club for about five years now.  I did get tired of sending
>back the cards, so I wrote a short note on one asking them to convert
>my membership to one in which I didn't have to send them back.  I got a
>postcard saying "we are sorry you want to quit, so we are changing your
>membership status so you don't have to return the cards."   That was
>two years ago.  I've ordered only twice since then, both times when
>they had a 3-for-1 offer I liked.  No problems, no hassles.

I don't have the 'no need to send back the card' deal, but after quitting
and rejoining a few times, they put me on the 'get one free for each
one you buy' deal (as opposed to half price).  How many deals do these guys
have, anyway?


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Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,rec.music.folk
From: dhw@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (David West)
Subject: Re: Technicalities of "newage" music
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:58:32 GMT

In article <Bzw8q2.6KA@dcs.ed.ac.uk> tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes:
>"Harry's Game", it contains a lot of the harmonies I am referring to.
>One important characteristic is a Dm chord with a Bb in the bass.
>(What's that? - a Dm sus 6??)

These classifications are to some extent a matter of which set of conventions 
one is working with, but the configuration you mention can often usefully be
regarded as a Bb major 7th chord.  Remember, thought, music theory is mostly
after-the-fact rationalization of what people can get away with.

-David West   dhw@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,rec.music.folk
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: 'Newage' music
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Distribution: world 
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:29:47 GMT

I've taken talk.music.newage out of the Newsgroups: line, since this no
longer really relates to the "New Age" religion.

I had asked:

> What I'm really interested in, though, is why Christian folks mentioned
> Clannad and Enya in their discussion of the evils of "New Age". 

Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) replied:

> If you're expecting a rational reason, you're probably looking in the
> wrong place.  (Flaky reasons abound, of course.)

I'd settle for a flaky reason. Even something like "The word 'clannad' means
'devil-worshippers' in ancient Aramaic" (I should point out for the benefit
of the gullible in the crowd that this is probably not true) would be ok. If
I said "Hey, you Christian, why do you think Clannad and Enya are evil?" I
want to know what the queried would say; I don't particular care if it makes
sense or is rational, as long as it's vaguely comprehensible.

I ask because some of my best friends are Christians (grin), and several of
them are big fans of Clannad and Enya, so I was at a loss to conjecture why
Christians would find them objectionable. The "New Age religion is bad; new
age music preaches New Age religion; new age music is bad; Clannad and Enya
are new age music; Clannad and Enya or bad" chain, though flaky and not at
all something I agree with, is at least understandable. But the original
poster made it sound as if the Christians in question were citing Clannad
and Enya as reasons why new age music was bad, not as examples of new age
music (which had previously been proven to be bad)--in the sense of saying
"See, these new age musicians Clannad and Enya say bad things, and they're
new age..."

Anyway, it's late and I'm rambling; to sum up, I'm looking for "things about
Clannad and Enya to which a Christian would object," other than the fact
that they're labeled as "new age". My motive is entirely curiosity, if
anyone was curious. (grin)
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: WBUR discontinues HOS
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:04:18 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Dec28.091935.576@hnrc.tufts.edu>, I wrote:
> Last night, WBUR announced that they were discontinuing Music from the Hearts
> of Space, effective immediately.  Does anyone know of any other outlets in
> the North Shore (of Massachusetts) area that carry it?  I'm living in Andover,
> so at night I have a good shot at picking up New Hampshire and Maine public
> radio.  (I'm assuming that it's just BUR and not that HOS has run its course
> because Stephen Hill said nothing about the termination of the show.  It was
> WBUR's announcement.)

Today I was listening to WUMB-FM (91.9) when they announced they would be
broadcasting HOS at 6 pm on Sundays, beginning this week (1/3).
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,rec.music.misc