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From: patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney)
Subject: Green cards
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:43:51 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]

Can anyone tell me why Green Cards are actually blue? Mine is. Does
the colour of these things have some significance? Are Green ones
reserved for Hispanics, Blue for Europeans etc.? 

The reason I ask is: some years ago, I went back to London and
left my Green card at home in California. On my return to the US
the Immigration wallahs were naturally a bit suspicious and
although I was allowed back, I had to pay a visit to the San
Francisco office of the INS to prove I had a card. During this
visit, I produced said card with a flourish and was chastised for
displaying it so prominently. The only reason I could see for this
admonishment, assuming the general design of the cards to be the
same, was that the colour might be significant. Or was the INS
official just being a wally?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:58:40 GMT

hillyer@rrc.chevron.com  writes:
> In article 9B8@srgenprp.sr.hp.com, patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
> >Can anyone tell me why Green Cards are actually blue? Mine is. Does
> >the colour of these things have some significance? Are Green ones
> >reserved for Hispanics, Blue for Europeans etc.? 
> 
> ---stuff deleted----
> 
> Well, I'm a citizen of the UK, and mine's green.  Of course, it's really old, 
> too ;-).  When I came in (1963) they were still using the national quota 
> system.
>
My mom's green card was green as well.  She came to the States in
1958 from Germany, so I don't think there's any logic to the
color-significance theory listed above.

Chris

P.S.  Don't plan on getting your wallet stolen.  INS will treated
YOU like the criminal.  I had to take my mom to deal with them in
just such a situation, and up to the time she decided to become
an American citizen (1989, about 9 years after the theft), she got 
hassles about it.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott)
Subject: Re: If the Wales' divorce
Reply-To: pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:51:23 GMT

In article <92345.1541592893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

> Another option is to disestablish the Church, an act that is long overdo. It is
> quite odd in this day and age for a democracy to have a State church,
> especially one to which a lessening proportion of the population belongs,
> severing crown and church would also allow Britain to do away with various
> anti-Catholic legislation concerning the monarchy.

But just how widespread is antidisestablishmentarianism there
these days?

(Couldn't resist)

-- 
This is news.  This is your       |    Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech
brain on news.  Any questions?    |    (pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: s7806043%vax9k.dnet@nchud1.nchu.edu.tw (My name is...)
Subject: Lost Friend
Keywords: Steven Brenner
Organisation: National Chung Hsing University, Taiwan
Organization: NCHU, TAIWAN 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:35:26 GMT

Hi,
    I have an American E-mail friend, Steven Brenner. He studies in
Campbridge University now. We lost contact with each other since my
address changed from 'nchuv9' to 'vax9k'.
    If anyone knows him, please tell him or mail
"S7806043%vax9k.dnet@nchud1.nchu.edu.tw"
    Thank you very much!
Quinton
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: An ENGLISH monarch??
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:13:01 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Dec18.094902.29043@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>In article <katherim.724629975@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>>I have a question.  I have been studying Scottish history for a while,
>>and, in Canada at least, this necessarily entails studying a wee bit
>>of English history.
>>
>>My question is simple:  has there ever been an ENGLISH monarch?
>>
>>The Plantegenets were french.
>>The Tudors were Welsh.
>>The Stuarts were Scottish
>>The Windsors (were) are German.
>
>You missed a few out: we had a few Danish kings before the Normans
>took over, and don't forget the Dutch King William between the
>Scottish Stuarts and the German Hanoverians!
>
>I think Edward the Confessor may have been the last English King of
>England.

This thread seems to be using an odd definition of "English".
Does anyone really think of the present Queen as German, merely
because she's descended from Prince Albert (or was this a reference
to George I)?

1,000,000 years ago, all the ancestors of the Royal Family were
probably living in Africa.  Does that make the Queen African?

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: If the Wales' divorce
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:40:47 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
	[stuff deleted]

: Even more overdue when you consider that there are more catholics that
: regularly attend church than c-of-e in Britain and neither of these groups
: can muster as much as 2% of the population. (1.7 cofe, 1.9 cath, source
: Economist disclaimer: working from memory)


	I remember reading that thre were more practising Muslims than either
- does anyone know if this is correct.

	Makes you think, though
:

Richard  Pennell History NUS
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Stonehenge
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:07:39 GMT
Organization: The Thames Valley Stunt Police, Cynical Irritation Division
Originator: geraint@pierrot.comlab

ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams), in relation to (what else?) the London
Underground wrote:
(  Perhaps you should
 ) sell off bits of Stonehenge to tourists, as well... make a bit of money
(  and remove an annoying obstacle to the artillery practi[c/s]e which
 ) Salisbury Plain is *really* intended for.

I would like to put on record that I have had my eye on these stones for a
while now and if they ever come up for sale, just you keep out of it, right?

It has long been my ambition to make my Mark on the world.  The plan which I
eventually settled on, and which I may well have adumbrated here before, is to
get myself into banner headlines around the world by obliterating Stonehenge.
The stones serve no earthly purpose (all meanings intended) so could hardly
be considered a loss, and getting rid of them would both solve a serious 
summer traffic problem and save us from the embarrassment of the imminent 
prospect of a fibreglass replica on the other side of the road.  In return 
I could get myself well and truly famous.

I really thought it was on a couple of years ago when they were flogging off 
surplus tomohawk missiles, but it turned out that they were only selling the
vehicles and not the warheads.  All I need is a small thermonuclear device,
and I could clear Salisbury Plain once and for all.

Of course, there is always the Berlin method.  I reckon that we need about
two thousand hammers and chisels, and a nice quiet week to do it in shifts.
As it happens I have a quiet week coming up really soon.  Anyone else at    /
a loose end the week after next?  Any idle heavy lifting gear you might    /
want to contribute would be especially welcomed.                          / g
___
And you'd never get planning permission for it nowadays.
From: jmb@ukc.ac.uk (J.M.Bremner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: game (no prizes)
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:21:22 GMT
Reply-To: jmb@ukc.ac.uk (Mike Bremner)
Organization: Institute of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Kent

In article <1992Dec14.175135.9787@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:

>In article <Bz8ss4.A41@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:

>>14) Who wrote Kipplings words to a passage from the Holt Planet Suite 
>>	"I vow to thee my country..."

>If you can answer all these questions correctly, you are Norman Tebbit.

It depends on what day of the week it is.  He was on "Desert Island
Discs" a couple of weeks ago, and referred to "I vow to thee . . . " as
being by Kipling.  That was on the first broadcast.  The BBC subsequently
received a number of calls from listeners pointing out that the words
were not Kipling's, and by the time of the repeat transmission the
reference to Kipling had been edited out.

[The unusual spelling above reminds me of the following conversation:

    "Do you like Kipling?"
    "I'm afraid I don't know how to kipple."

This is not a good joke, but those enquiring about Christmas crackers
may like to to know that it's a lot better than the typical fare that
they provide.  You have been warned.]
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:11:29 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Charles and Diana split ?
 <1992Dec11.225904.10930@black.ox.ac.uk>

In article <1992Dec11.225904.10930@black.ox.ac.uk>, tbrann@black.ox.ac.uk (Tony
Brannigan) says:
>
>Evelyn S. Hlabse writes:
>>Isn't this tragic?  I do hope the press will leave them alone
>>now.
>[...]
>
>I think given the press's handling of Fergie this is sadly rather
>unlikely.

Gee, I hope this doesn't mean topless photos of Charles, I think we can be
spared that. :)

>
>Tony
>--
>"And soon all of us will sleep under the earth, | tbrann@ox.ac.uk
>  we who never let each other sleep above it."  | u90afb@ecs.ox.ac.uk
>   Marina Tsvetayeva 1915                       | oupafb@ox.ac.uk
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:11:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

This is a difficult subject, and in my lexicon "difficult subject" means 
"likely to end up as a serious post".  I hate those.  But I'll take a
stab at it anyway.  This is going to be the next long & boring thread in 
this newsgroup if I don't watch my words very carefully.  <Sigh>


Tim Streater writes:
> Sue Miller writes:
>> C R Pennell writes:
>>>
>>>COLLINS CONCISE (huh!) DICTIONARY PLUS (london & Glasgow: Collins, 1989) p530
>>>
>>>Golliwog: n. a soft doll with a black face usually made from cloth or rags	
>>>
>>>Why's that surprising (even mildly)??	
>>>
>>
>>Should have specified which dictionary, shouldn't I?  Here's the text
>>from mine, the difference is interesting:
>>
>>	golliwog or golliwogg n. [After Golliwog, a character in books
>>	by Bertha Upton (d. 1912)] 1. A grotesque black male doll.
>>	2. A grotesque person.
>>
>Well here we are divided by a common language again. When I was a small boy, I
>had a collection of cloth dolls of which my Golly was the biggest and best. It
>was in no way grotesque. Good - this explains a lot. I could never understand
>what Americans had against Gollies. It almost seemed hypocitical, given the
>existance in any toyshop here of dolls with black faces. I can only assume that
>the original Golliwog character was a figure of fun, laughed at or taunted
>simply because he was black. Can you tell us more, Sue?
>

Hmm.  Sorry, I think that's way off track.  There are plenty of dolls (now) 
with black skin.  They look more or less like all the other dolls.  Gollies
look uncomfortably like many rather less kind (read stereotypic) depictions 
of black people which were fairly common not too many decades ago.

The following is my opinion only, but feel free to misinterpret:

We don't sell such dolls now, not because the original Golliwog character was
a figure of fun/laughed at/taunted due to his color, BUT BECAUSE BLACK 
PEOPLE WERE (are).  This is not something in the recent past which
we generally wish to celebrate.  

BTW I consider Barbie/Cindy dolls to be grotesque female dolls,
but I don't expect them to be taken off the shelves any time soon.  :-)
From: pt@curie.lif.icnet.uk (Paul Taylor <pt@acl.icnet.uk>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: An ENGLISH monarch??
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:12:52 -0000
Organization: Imperial Cancer Research Fund
NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.lif.icnet.uk

In article <katherim.724629975@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>I have a question.  I have been studying Scottish history for a while,
>and, in Canada at least, this necessarily entails studying a wee bit
>of English history.
>
>My question is simple:  has there ever been an ENGLISH monarch?
>
>The Plantegenets were french.
>The Tudors were Welsh.
>The Stuarts were Scottish
>The Windsors (were) are German.
>
>Any ENGLISH monarchs?
>Even in some other country??
>

Christopher Fry was offered the Throne of Albania but declined it. To the
advantage of King Zog. You can't go wrong with a name like Zog.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:03:11 GMT

sballant@iastate.edu (Susan Ballantine) writes:
| customs officer there because I didn't have a pink one yet. All the signs at 
| Immigration indicate that after July 1 1993 everyone's must be pink.

And how about those of us who don't feel the need to travel outside the
US for the next few years?  How are we supposed to know?

(not that I have anything against travel...college fees, you know).
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Allberall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen!  Ewig... ewig... ewig...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:44:39 GMT

That does it.  This avatar of Laurence is going in the kill file...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: HELP - GREEN CARD
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:34:57 GMT

In article <1gqh5sINN1jm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>
>After reading a couple of the posts concerning green cards, I'm
>getting a little concerned.
>
>My parents came from the UK in 1956. My father has since died 
>but my mother is still alive.  Her green card is blue and 
>was issued in 1956.  She has Alzheimer's Disease which is only
>going to complicate things.  I am a US citizen and have her
>power of attorney.   Do I have to do anything about getting
>her a new card or should I just quit worrying and leave things
>well enough alone.
>
>E-mail would be appreciated but isn't entirely necessary.
>
>Thanks for any and all help.
>

Well, the obvious thing to do would be to call the INS, but I
would never counsel anyone to talk to any government agency unless
it was absolutely necessary.  Why worry about it until someone "official" 
starts asking?  The INS is hardly going to come around and deport her; 
they probably don't even have any way of knowing she exists if she's not 
working (sounds unlikely) or travelling out of the country.  She's
not a candidate for deportation *anyway*, because she's not here illegally.


Quit worrying.  The last time I went to a government office (social 
security) it was a ludicrous experience.  They weren't going to give
me a duplicate social security card (which I needed, so it doesn't
violate the rule I gave above ;-) ) because I wouldn't give them
a value for the "County of Birth" field.  It wasn't out of stubbornness -
Washington DC isn't IN a county, and these dopes were holding ME
responsible for it.  Now you know why I made the rule.
From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: London Underground sell-off?
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:45:37
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
	<29708@castle.ed.ac.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk's message of 17 Dec 92 18:37:07 GMT

In article <29708@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:

   In London yesterday I noticed that Mornington Crescent has been
   closed, allegedly temporarily (for 17 months). A clue to a
   privatisation time scale?

Nope, there's a very high level game going on and
the director of london transport is using his
power to cripple a potentially winning move. Scum.

I think an amendment to the Internet parallel game
rules is required, 17 months is too long.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: diwadkva@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar)
Subject: Billy Bunter ....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:28:00 GMT

I was trying to explain the world of Greyfriars to a friend who had
never read any of the Billy Bunter books, but was blocking on the
name of the author.  I think he wrote under a pseudonym.

Would appreciate some help on this.

Thanks,

	- Vaibhav A. Diwadkar
From: elsworth@mng.psu.edu (Derek Elsworth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:39:49 GMT
Reply-To: elsworth@mng.psu.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

> 
> Surely its better to encourage knowledge of each others beliefs than
> try to avoid the issue with PC platitudes. Much better to celebrate
> Christmas and Honniker (sp?) and other religions major festivals.
> IMHO Singapore (which has *lot* of different belief sets) has got
> it abour right: the major festivals of Christians, Muslims, Hindus
> Confusions and Teoist are all celibrated. Of course being Singapore
> most people just work on through...
> 

Yes..PC platitudes are out but, having no rieligion in particular
myself, I also prefer the use of Happy Holidays over anything that has
a religious connotation. For that reason we specifically choose Xmas [sic]
cards with the generic Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings on them so
that no assumption is made regarding the religion of the recipients.


When I lived in the UK i never gave any thought to the matter because,
almost without exception, everyone I knew was pseudo-Christian. Now in
the US I'm more aware of the melting-pot....and think that Happy Holidays
is much more appropriate.

Derek Elsworth
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Time to elect a monarch?
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:53:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.104502.28352@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David
George) writes:

|>In article <kNHkVB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
|>(Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
|>
|>|> if the Magestrate should be
|>|> elected by Her/Her Royal Majesty's subject.
|>|> 
|>|> A thought to consider, especially when Poland did it at one time.
|>
|>as incomprehensible as ever but....
|>
|>British monarchs have also been elected.  Harold Godwin of Wessex was
|>'elected'
|>by the Witan (a sort of formative House of Lords) in 1066 in preference to
|>other better placed pretenders to the throne, such as William of Normandy.
|>
|>It was believed that he, as sub king and head of the army, would be best
|>placed
|>to hold England together.  Lots of other more recent precedents exist.

the Greeks used to elect Kings too. They also had a tradition of throwing them
on a bonfire or throwing them over a clif or whatever after they had served for
a year. Perhaps there is merit in making Thatcher Queen after all.

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Help: Royal titles and succession to throne
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:30:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <92351.003858ABOZE@vma.cc.nd.edu> <ABOZE@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>I apologize if this has been discussed before, but I seldom read this group.
>I was discussing this with a friend and need help settling the matter.
>
This is another one which comes up depressingly regularly.
There are two meanings to "Queen":

1) A woman who has inherited the throne by the standard rules
   (depth-first search through family tree, branches ordered first by
    sex, then by age)

2) The wife of a man who has inherited the throne.

The two are completely separate things.

There are not, however, two meanings of "King": it can only
have the meaning analogous to 1) above.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.british FAQ [was Re: Time to elect a monarch?]
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:17:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.004126.23419@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>In article <kNHkVB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>With the recent in the Crown, one should speak on this situation.
>>                              ^^^
>>One must note that despite my Centrist politics, I am an avowed Monarchist.
>>But with the recent separation of the Prince and Princess of Wales, this throws
>>the current system in doubt and one should wonder if the Magestrate should be
                                  ^^^
>>elected by Her/Her Royal Majesty's subject.

>When the FAQ is compiled, the above post should be used in the
>glossary under the entry "Yadallean".  After some study, I believe
>it to be a definitive example of that dialect.  

Notice also the use of "one" for "I", a habit only usually observed in
the royals themselves.  Do you think Dave wants to be the next King?

--
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Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: bishop arrested
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:48:56 GMT

sballant@iastate.edu (Susan Ballantine) writes:

	absolutely nothing at all


: 
	UNFAIR TACTICS. COME ON. WHAT FOR?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka