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From: abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One)
Subject: Re: why don't all you star wars fans get a life -- Some new ?'s
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:46:47 GMT

In article <Bz8Bz6.4EM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> 
sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u) writes:
>>In ANH, is Greedo considered to be a bounty hunter or just one of Jabba's
>>'henchmen'?
>
>I get the impression that he's an independent scumbag.  Jabba's employees
>(Lando in ROTJ aside) appear to be a fairly loyal bunch; if Greedo had been
>one of Jabba's henchmen, it seems unlikely that he would've offered to let
>Han go in exchange for his ship.

Greedo never said anything about letting Solo go if Solo would give 
him the Falcon.  He did say that he might forget he saw him if Solo
gave him the money.  The issue about taking the Falcon came about when
Greedo said that Jabba might only take Solo's ship, which as we all know
leads to Solo blasting Greedo.  

This is probably my favourite scene.  I just love the way that Han says
"Sorry for the mess."  Or something to that effect.  My other favourite 
scene is the opening scene with the Blockade Runner and the Star Destroyer
exchanging shots.  These two scenes left a big impression on me when I 
first saw the movie.  I think I was about three.

The Evil One
From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What in the galaxy were we thinking?!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:46:54 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <92352.232440GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>How many times now have we speculated on the plotlines of the next (first)
>trilogy?  Oh boy, the training of Anakin!  His turn to the dark side!  The
>adventures of Obi-Wan!
>
>But have we forgotten Lucas's statement that the droids are the ONLY characters
>constant in all 9 films?  Sure Darth and Obi would be played by new actors, but
>they are still the same characters.  If Lucas sticks to this, there is no
>telling what the new trilogy will be about.
>

Hey, being in parts 1-6 doesn't mean they're in all 9 last time I checked

Besides Lucas has stated that the first trilogy will deal with the adventures
of young  Obi Wan and Anakin  (see Lucas' interview in Lucasfilm Fan Club
Magazine #16)

>Considering all the back history that has been told in the movies and other
>sources to these events, it is probably a good idea not to base the movies on
>this plot anyway.  What good will it be to watch the new trilogy if we already
>know half the stuff that is going on, and also know how it will end up.  Plus
>the writing could easily become contrived point A to point B fill-in-the-blank
>storytelling.
>
>I'm beginning to believe that these 3 films will be vastly different from
>anything anybody has come up with yet.
>                                                  ---Eric

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lucas has stated that when complete all 9 films will be able to be viewed 
as one set all done in the same manner.
Besides, we still don't know why Anakin chose the Dark Side or why he must wear the machinery (the molten pit stuff is mere speculation)


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From: vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Democrat Presidnts and Star Wars
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:54:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.003908.4904@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>	Has anyone noticed that A Democrat President (Carter) in office
>preceded or was the surroundings for Star Wars?  In this case, once again,
>A Democrat President will precede Star Wars closely.  I think that in the
>case of the first Star Wars movie, (asbestos on) the monstrous bulkiness
>and evil of big government set the scene for the viewers to empathize
>with the rebels' fight against The Empire.  Remember, it was THE REPUBLIC
>as opposed to THE EMPIRE.  Because of this politicization of names, I  
>would have to say that the Star Trek universes FEDERATION would be
>the political analogue to THE EMPIRE as bothe THE EMPIRE and THE FEDERATION
>have been classical antagonists to THE REPUBLIC, as seen in our own
>history, with LINCOLN's REPUBLICan party vversus the South's
>conFEDERATed States. Thus, the Federation of Star Trek would be the
>far futuristically evolved remnant of The Empire.  Evidently,
>since there is no Republic in the Star Trek universe, the Empire
>and the Federation are linked only by dogma.
>
>			John

Damn, your bored!


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From: matoh@lysator.liu.se (Mats \hrman)
Subject: Announcement about the "sf-texts" archive at lysator.liu.se
Reply-To: matoh@lysator.liu.se
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:31:22 GMT


Most of the files in the "sf-texts" FTP archive at lysator.liu.se are
now also available through the gopher text retrieval program from
"gopher.lysator.liu.se". Just in case you wonder what this archive is,
I have attached the README file down below.

I would also like to point out that my correct address now is
matoh@lysator.liu.se. Unfortunately, I forgot to edit out my old, now
incorrect adress (matoh@sssab.se) from the README for quite some time
after it turned invalid.

							/Mats


------------------------------------------------------------------------
				README	
		  for the "/pub/sf-texts" directory
	      at the ftp archive "ftp.lysator.liu.se" of
	Lysator Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
				   
	       Now also available through the "gopher"
		    from "gopher.lysator.liu.se"!
		
Here you will find some reviews, book and author lists etc for
science-fiction and fantasy literature.

This directory is intended as an archive for some texts I have
collected from USENET during the years, mostly from the newsgroup that
used to be named "rec.arts.sf-lovers", but now has been split up into
lots of different groups. The order may not be the best, and early
texts (from '85-'86) may have their header stripped or weirdly
transformed (I did not know better then), but I hope these texts may
be of some use to you.

I may easiest be reached through email as: matoh@lysator.liu.se
						     _		
						Mats Ohrman

P.S. Note that our FTP server is able to TAR and COMPRESS a
     directory automatically (you just do "get directory-name.tar.Z")
     Use this feature if you want to download many files from the 
     archive.



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Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.announce:138 sci.space:17819
From: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
Subject: Rec.arts.sf.announce posting guidelines [last modified: Jan 20 1992]
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From: bk249@cleveland.freenet.edu (David M. Kushner)
Subject: Astronomicon 2
Keywords: con
Reply-To: bk249@cleveland.freenet.edu (David M. Kushner)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:57:37 GMT

HEAR YE, HEAR YE!  A SCIENCE FICTION (AND COMIC) CONVENTION YOU HAVE
PROBABLY BEEN WAITING FOR (even if you did not know it):
***********************************************************************
ASTRONOMICON 2				ASTRONOMICON 2
***********************************************************************

	The Rochester (New York) area science fiction convention

March 5 - 7, 1993       at The Radisson Inn, Rochester
*****************          175 Jefferson Road, Rochester, NY  14623
                           (716)475-1910  Rooms $60/day, S or D

Guest of Honor:  Michael Swanwick (1992 Nebula Award for Best Novel)
Artist Guest of Honor:  Phil Foglio (Hugo Award-winning Artist)
Special Guests:  The Gunderson Corp (Science Fiction Comedy Troupe)
Other Guests include:  Nancy Kress, Nick Pollotta, John Allen Price,
Larry "The Doctor" Stewart, Marcos Donnelly, S.M. Stirling, S.N. Lewitt.

This is a full service convention with such features as evening/night
Filking, Con Suite, Mingle with the Authors, Fannish Feud, Dealers
Room, Panel Discussions, Video Marathon, Masquerade, Art Show,
Readings, etc.

Pre-registration:  $20 until 2/1/93, then $25 at the door.
Make checks payable to and for more information contact:
Rochester Fantasy Fans, P.O. Box 1701, Rochester, NY  14603-1701
phone # (716)342-4697
or send e-mail to me, David Kushner, at   dmk@mit.edu


Dealers:  contact "Zonker" @ (716)473-4493
Gophers:  contact R.F.F. at the above address and receive a discount on
registration!
Artists:  contact Paula Keller w/S.A.S.E @ 1771 St. Paul St.
                                           Rochester, NY  14621
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_________________________________________________________________
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Boskone Art Show (was Re: Hello Confrancisco?)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:51:18 GMT

In article <51XoVB4w165w@lunacity.com> mwallis@lunacity.com (Michael Wallis) writes:
> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
> > The problem is: at the critical time, we don't have the people
> > to do the work. Precon, the Art Show staff is too busy to hang
> > up lots of mail-in art. Post con, there is tear down and
> > lots of bookkeeping to do.
> 
> What is your staff doing that prevents them from this? If you can't
> provide the service, you're understaffed in my opinion. You'll certainly
> know what the amount of mail-in art is before con setup time. Staff
> accordingly. Everyone else does.

Unless you're willing to volunteer to serve on Boskone's art show
staff, this is basically saying, "I want you to assign people to do
work because *I* want it done."  (And you're not even going to be
attending!)  Sorry, life (and cons) don't work that way.

If you don't like the way Boskones are run, you can suggest changes,
but basically you have two choices: volunteer to do some of the work to
make your changes happen, or don't attend Boskones.  Boskone is not evil
because they don't do everything for everyone--they're realistic as to
what they can and can't do.  Better they do what they do well than they
overextend themselves and end up pleasing no one.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
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From: ctan@world.std.com (Cecilia M Tan)
Subject: Furry Fandom
Organization: The World
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:24:25 GMT

I'm looking for pointers to magazines/publications dedicated to Furry Fandom.

In particular I'm trying to determine if there is a predominant publication
among them.

My newrsreading is limited, so please reply to me via e-mail.  I will
compile the list of responses (if they are multiple) and post results.

-ctan
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From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Subject: Re: Art Show Mail-In
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:04:36 GMT

I hereby issue a very public thank you to Shawn for two things:

1) the very lucid article she submitted to our disucssion through Dave
Medinnus.

2) the speed with which I have received my unsold pieces of MAIL-IN ART
back from Silicon; it's back in time for me to use the unsold pieces at my
next show.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: "joe markovic" <joe.markovic@canrem.com>
Subject: Why 10-Fan Quorum? (was Re: Anime Expo December Update)
Reply-To: "joe markovic" <joe.markovic@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:46:28 EST


BH>In article <1992Dec17.012352.3561#nic.csu.net>, shogun@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Mike M. Tatsugawa) writes:
>                      Anime Expo '93
>          Oakland Convention Center/Parc Oakland Hotel
>                      July 2-4, 1993
BH>[...]

> Q: What will you guys be showing?
>
> We will also be running from four to five video programming tracks
> with one information channel.
>
> For obvious reasons, we can't advertise what will be shown at the con.

BH>Wrong.  The reasons aren't obvious to me.  (But then I am naive in the
BH>ways of anime!)  Maybe somebody will have the patience to explain this
BH>to me.

You'll probably get your answer when you find out who and/or how the
video(s) were supplied.


ciao, Joe
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From: jat@edsr.eds.com (Jon A. Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Convention Diversity (Re: Arisia vs. Boskone)
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:10:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: EDS Research, Dallas, TX 75230

At the risk of offending--not my intention--there's a little
more to the story.

I attended Boskone from 1985 to 1990 (after which I had to move
to Texas. Grump.), which means I was at The Boskone From Hell;
indeed, at the end thereof I joined in the free-for-all--er,
panel--about the subsequent New Boskone, with Laurie Mann
officiating. The originators of the Arisia concept were/are good 
friends of mine, mostly from western Massachusetts. While my comments 
ARE IN NO WAY OFFICIAL, therefore, I think I have a pretty good
perspective on events.

I'm not going to rehash the substance of the "refocusing Boskone"
Donnybrook. However, Arisia arose--at least in part--from unhap-
piness with the *style* in which the change was made. For instance:
I was, at the time, an official at the UMass Science Fiction Society,
and I know several people who sent politely worded correspondence
to NESFA expressing their concerns. The replies they got were,
one and all, rude. Or worse.

There were other examples; but,as I said, my intention is neither 
to flame nor to dig up old grievances nor to rehash the debate. 
However, if you're looking for an explanation for the "Arisia" name 
and the sometimes-confrontational attitude, I think that these un-
fortunate episodes had a lot to do with it.

	Jonathan Turner
	(favorite Texas con: Armadillocon)
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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Why 10-Fan Quorum? (was Re: Anime Expo December Update)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:15:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.113741.1@fnala.fnal.gov> higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>> 
>> For obvious reasons, we can't advertise what will be shown at the con.
>
>Wrong.  The reasons aren't obvious to me.  (But then I am naive in the
>ways of anime!)  Maybe somebody will have the patience to explain this
>to me.
>

At this point in time, it's really tough to nail down what videos the
various companies are planning to show/premier.  Also, the relative
uncertainty of import videos coming on time makes it tough to have a fixed
in schedule.  The video line-up will probably be more steady as time goes by.
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From: nickd@vpnet.chi.il.us (Nicholas J. DiMasi)
Subject: DucKon II
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 03:46:14 GMT

The first DucKon was a success, so we're doing it again!

DucKon II - The 2nd DuPage County (Illinois) SF&F Convention

(DucKon Too:  Return of the Spelling Checker)

June 4-6, 1993 at the Lisle Hyatt Hotel (Room rate: $62/night)

Author GoH:  Leo Frankowski
Artist GoH:  Paul MacNerland
Filk GoH:  Lynn Fancher
Fan GoH:  Drawn at random from pre-registered members

Events include:  Techie Expo, Klingon Love Poetry with even more heavy objects,
Live Rocky Horror Show, Moebius Theater, Masquerade & Dance, and more!

Membership Rates:  $20 through April 1, 1993 (no fooling!)
                   $30 thereafter and at the door
                   Child care available for pre-registered children
                   DucKon I members get $5 in Dealer/Art-Show Dollars

DucKon, P.O. Box 4843, Wheaton, IL 60189

duckon@meltdown.chi.il.us
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Hello Confrancisco?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:18:31 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <51XoVB4w165w@lunacity.com> mwallis@lunacity.com (Michael  
Wallis) writes:
> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
> 
> > But why just pick on the Art Show?  The same is true for most
> > areas. Look at an area I know a lot more about: program. I have
> > limited space on Program. At this point, if a writer who has
> > published a couple of stories writes to me and asks to be on
> > program, I have to decline. I'm pretty much out of room. However,
> > if Gene Wolfe were to write and say he plans to make it this  
year,
> > we'd use him.
> 
> Having run programming many times, I agree that things fillup, but  
the
> analogy doesn't hold. There are no "mail-in program items", at  
least, not
> that I'm aware of. Again, programming is handled on a first come  
first
> served basis. You wouldn't set up a panel, and at the last minute  
tell the
> participants it's been cancelled because Gene is coming and you  
have no
> other space to put him? Would you?

First of all, we weren't talking mail in here. We were just
talking selection criteria.

Secondly, program is certainly NOT first come, first served.
Program often reaches the point where it is in some sense
full (that is, we send "sorry, but we can't use you this
year" letters to folks who write in asking to be on program),
but can still find space if Gene Wolfe writes to us saying
he's decided to come.  (In fact, I just did a similar thing
for Boskone. We are essentially full, but when Connie Willis
and Patricia McKillip wrote, saying they'd like to come,
I wrote back saying "love to have you.")

Also, if Wolfe showed up at con, I'd find a couple of panels
to fit him on. I wouldn't throw somewhat else out to do so.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

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