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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:55:03 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      DAVID
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Yeah, I GOT it, but it got lost in a lot of other traffic, resend please.

THANKS!

ZZAJ
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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Rory Gallagher
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Anybody know any news onGallagher?  I was listening to his Irish Tour 74 and
StageStruck (live in Europe 79-80) last night, and thinking (not for the first
time) that this is
mindbogglingly great stuff.  That Irish boy has soul.  What's he up to?
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:56:37 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Losing My Religion
              29 Jul 1992 13:53:57 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

I don't even know who that Stipe fellow is, so i won't comment on him,
but some artists i really liked in earlier years have jumped on whatever
cause seems to be popular and their music has suffered to me.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:16:15 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      rap

What bothers me is all the violence associated with rap concerts..why?
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:44:37 EDT
From:         Greg <ST403633@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: polka

Sylvia, yes Minnesota and Wisconsin polka shows are Fab.  But, you've never exp
erienced polka bliss until you've seen the "real thing" in North Dakota (land o
f die-hard L. Welk maniacs).
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Subject: re: sins and sinners
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 06:25:12 GMT


In a previous article, AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU () says:

>I did not say that Country Music singers were perfect! I only said that they
>were not as bad of an influence as rock n' rollers & heavy metel.  There is a
>difference.

  I'll assume that since you were smart enough to figure out how to
login and post this message to all of us, you will also be intelligent
enough to realize that for any other intelligent, non-sheep beings to
give much creedence to your comments above, you will need to produce
evidence in the form of:

  A study comparing the incidence of _____________ in households where
country music is the preferred musical selection versus households where
_____________ is the preferred musical selection.

  In the first blank, insert any of those "societal ills" for which you
think *any* kind of music is in *any* way responsible.  In the second,
insert any musical genre.

  Barring that, your statement above is nothing but a flapping of the
lips, and most people *here* will see it for what it is: a simple and
uninformed opinion. No, we don't care what the rest of Middle America
thinks or whether or not they agree -- let's see some proof, plain and
simple.

  Jeff ("n.n.")
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From:         alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Watkins 'Rap'

Mr. Watkins is bothered by all the violence associated with rap concerts.
I'm not sure there has been violence at ALL rap concerts but certainly
a goodly number.  There has also been violence at concerts of rock, punk,
heavy metal and other types of music as well.  No doubt you have been
bothered by violence at other types of concerts too?  I feel the violence
has perhaps been a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways because of the
extensive media news coverage whenever this occurs.  Violence at concerts
certainly dates back a number of years--the people who were trampled to
death at a Who concert some years ago--I call that pretty violent.  And
going back a bit further--what about the Stones concert at which someone
was killed?

Just some food for thought.

Alva Moore Stevenson
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Losing My Religion
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Let's try this again, since it seems to have gotten merged into the
country music thing.

Johann Sebastian Bach was IMHO unquestionably a religious man.  Either
that, or he sure could fool people (e.g., his "Et Resurexit" from the
B-minor Mass).  Religion seems to me to have helped his music.

On the other side, we have Bob Dylan, maybe Van Morrison, Leon Russell
and some others who got religion and lost music, again IMHO.

Somewhere in the middle we have Amy Grant who seems to have found
religion and lost it again without any perceptible impact on her
music (following The ALLMUSIC Rule, she was either always good, or
she never was any damn good -- pick one).

NB that at no time have I uttered the word "Christian".

Does anyone feel that there is some connection between finding inner
peace and not being able to rock and roll?

Or is the reason that this thread mutated because it's a dumb
question?

Bob
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:16:44 MET
From:         Stas Philippe <philstas@VUB.AC.BE>
Subject:      Re: rap
              2

>What bothers me is all the violence associated with rap concerts..why?
>
It seems logic to me that the agressive textes and the way rap-groups
ask the crowd to act as they sing (copkiller, Public Enemy, @live crew)
results in some violence on the concerts themselves, more then in the street
of the cities, where the police and the security have a hold opm\
the social non-beneficient people.

Johor

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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:45:00 PDT
From:         Christopher Harry <IZZYFC1@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Hendrix

        Hell, yes, I listen to Hendrix- only one of the greatest (if not the
greatest) men to ever wield an axe.


                                   -"And they said it was impossible/
                                     For a man to live and breathe underwater"



                           Chris
                           izzyfc1@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:04:53 EDT
From:         Rick McRae <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: rap

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:45:03 EDT Walter Keller said:
>
>           BLOW MY RAP, BOOM BOOM !
>           BLOW MY RAP, BOOM BOOM !
>           BLOW MY RAP, BOOM BOOM !
>           Blow my rap, and now here's princess Vi to introduce the band..."
>
>Excerpt from an open mike, or amateur night we had this winter in Ithaca,

Yep. Sounds like amateur night to me.

GONNNNNGGGGGGGG !!

Rick
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:51:43 -0700
From:         Feldstein_Jeff/corp_admin@QCOHP01.QAD.COM
Subject:      Country Music List
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I would like more information on the Bluegrass list. Can you send subscription
instructions for it?
Thanks

Jeff
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:58:28 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: early Dylan chronology

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:55:00 EST <MCINTYRE@MSUPA> said:
>One glaring omission: the album after _Bob Dylan_ was _Freewheelin'_
>with such Dylan classics as "Blowin' In The Wind", "Masters of War",
>"Bob Dylan's Dream", "Don't Think Twice It's All Right", and "Hard
>Rain's A-gonna Fall".
>
>John McIntyre
>Physics - Astronomy Dept
>Michigan State University

You're right, John -- it was a glaring omission. I rechecked the Amerigrove
and it was right there. Mea Culpa! I guess I was too preoccupied thinking up
alliterative euphemisms for Dylan's accident to be thorough. I apologize to
you and all other Dylan fans to whom this matters.
Hangin my head in shame,
Rick
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:57:00 GMT
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mary Wells

Julie writes:

> "Mary Wells" died this morning at the young age of 49. She died of lung cancer
> She never was fully compensated and or recognized for the great songs she sang
> such as My Guy or Two lovers and many more Motown hit's. Mary Wells was great
> R&B singer, who put out great songs in the 50's and 60's she is a Motown great
   !
> ...

        I have to agree with Julie. I know very little about Mary Wells, just
a couple of tunes that someone put on a tape and sent me. But she really was a
great R&B singer. That here in small Italy I may have heard of her, and even
though I am not a digger for R&B, well - this is significant I think.
        More, this posting got me jumping off my chair because I didn't really
expect Julie to show up on ALLMUSIC... so welcome back, dear!

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:10:37 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Country Music

In the Learning to Like It Dept.:

Now, I've spent most of my life ridiculing country music. As a recovering
musical elitist I'm attempting to reopen my mind toward the forms of music I
used to refuse to listen to except under threat of torture or death, including
country music, polka music, Strauss waltzes and Sinatra.

As I grit my teeth and turn on the country FM station, I find some of the music
fun to listen to, some of it politically reactionary, much of it more like pop
than traditional country (ultra-slick), some of it lyrically clever, but so far
I'm not moved either 1) to cry in my beer, 2) to do the achy breaky dance.
(I admit I've never been to Roanoke to see this phenomenon, nor have I seen it
on Soul Train, but I can't help visualizing the chicken dance whenever I hear
it).

But I'm really really trying to curb my ridicule when I hear someone who
appreciates it. I promised myself to never more get in any arguments about
one style of music being superior to another. To all country music advocates:
Feel free to expound your wisdom over ALLMUSIC. I may learn something.

Rick

ps. I still feel kinda bad about that guy a month ago who left in a huff
'cause he felt noone shared his love of '50's rock 'n' roll. Granted, he was
judgmental and closedminded about other types of music, but his flame burns
were a bit too severe, I think.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:26:23 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: country blues
              28 Jul 1992 13:56:42 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

i haven't listened to Lonnie, but a couple of times i guess i'll have
to pick something up. Just ordered Joe Louis Walker on hightone what
i've heard of him was enjoyable, I thought Jame Mcurtry(?) was a writer
of novels (?)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:45:33 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Great Speckled Bird
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              "MCINTYRE%MSUPA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Jul 28, 92 1:34 pm

Great old song by Hank Williams SR... plucks at the heart-strings.

Can we count rockabilly as country?  I cast my vote for Sleepy LaBeef--heard
him live once and that guy is a lotta fun, big voice, big guitar... danced up a
storm.

I'm still brooding over the Fender as the "lowing of cattle..."
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:59:06 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject: Re: Country Music
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Eddie,
   You're right in that I was being prejudgemental and think it would be
fair of me to give an opion only after I listen to for a few days.
And I should have that list for you by within the next couple hours.
                Coll
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:41:41 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Johnny Shines
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 28, 92 12:56 pm

>
> Glad to see you mention J.S. his last years were spent here in alabama
> and i got to hang out with him several times very interesting stories
> he could tell, he never got the regonizition he deserved, maybe
> billy ray will mention him as an influence and his sales will skyrocket
>
How about passing along some of those stories sometime?
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From:         "Shelby Eaton" <shelby@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SYMPHONIC MUSIC
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I am very interested in symphonic music.  I am a violin player (most often
a 2nd violin) so I've been in a number of orchestras.  The classics in
Seattle are doing very well.  I have heard about other places having bad
times, though.  Seattle has a few orchestras around besides the Seattle
Symphony, including Broadway Symphony, Bellevue Philharmonic, etc.

Shelby
University of Washington


On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 JBRIN%WNEC.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU wrote:

>      Is there anyone out there interested in symphonic music from 1750-
> 1950?  I'm concerned about orchestras---performers and listeners.  The
> classics are in tough shape around here.  The Hartford Symphony had to
> cancel its season last year and that may happen again.  Are there similar
> troubles in other parts of the country?
>
>                                        JBRIN
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:51:38 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: rap

i don't like what MtV did to music now you almost have to have a video
to have a successful song or a video can make a ordinary song a hit
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:36:24 -0400
From:         Blake Glenn <bg22+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      amy grant

This is a tangent off of the "loosing my religion" conversation, but who
sang the song called Amy Grant about 6 years ago that poked fun at her?
All I remember is that it was funny.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blake H. Glenn bg22@andrew.cmu.edu
"I'm going to blow it up."
        -Marvin the Martian
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From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Blather was 30 years old today

From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Thriller

> Personally, I don't know how someone can call Michael Jackson a genius when
> he's a hippocrate(sp?).  Here he sings a song black or white and n it he
> says "...dosen't matter if she black or white..." and here he is bleaching
> his sing, taking drugs for his voice and getting all sorts of plastic
> surgery.

You have to put this sort of thing in context. What is Jackson's ambition?
Obviously, he wants to be the one human being designated to greet the first
alien visitors to reach the earth :-) That's why he does all that weird stuff,
collecting Elephant Man relics, transforming himself into a post-nuclear
mutant, etc. It's a dirty job, but *somebody* has to do it.

From:         alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      (COPY) Undelivered mail

>                  ...  Unfortunately my experience with blacks, as a black
> woman, is that you are expected to listen to "black music."  They just aren't
> too tolerant of deviations away from the standard "r & b" or "black
> contemporary"  So you can imagine what they thought of my listening to
> Hendrix much less other "white" music.

Unfortunate, that. How do you feel about the Black Rock Coalition, foundedby
Vernon Reid and some of his friends and colleagues, just to fight that notion
that "black music" is somehow incompatible with rock'n'roll. One of his better
ideas was that the Elvis award should have been renamed the Chuck, as in Berry.

I don't know if they're members of the BRC, but a band called Mother's Finest
just put out a record called something like Black Radio Won't Play This Record.

From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      hendrix

> Just curious what's your favorite hendrix tune. I'm partial to
> Wind Cries Mary

I think I like "1983" best too. I'm not so enthralled with his guitar playing,
but I think his use of the studio as a compositional tool was brilliant, still
almost peerless (sometimes Eno measures up, sometimes Mitchell Froom, and leave
us not forget _Pet Sounds_).

I used to play in a cheesy local band with an incredibly vain lead guitarist,
who *insisted* on playing "Red House" at *every gig*. If I never hear that song
again it'll be too soon.
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From:         "In a world gone crazy...." <QUINTAINE@TKM.BRANDONU.CA>
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 > Umm... wasn't that already done with Billy Ray Cyrus?

Speaking of ol' Billy Ray Jim Bob, did anyone here read the article on him
in Rolling Stone, which proclaimed him the "Vanilla Ice of Country Music"?
Although there is some positive stuff about him, most of it is gleefully
pseudo-insults..  Hee hee..  Actually, as the article points out, Billy Ray
and Vanilla are quite similar.  Notice the:
a) "Matinee-Idol" Face
b) Goofy Haircut
c) "inanely catchy" debut single that someone else already recorded
d) equally catchy dance video
e) breaking of a whole slew of sales records
f) alienation of his peers

Gee, I think we have a match!

Hope this doesn't offend any Billy Ray fans out there, but hey, we all must
learn to be objective and accept the opinions of others, right?

Corey Q.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:48:53 EDT
From:         "David M. Geoghegan" <imagesys!dmg@UU.PSI.COM>
Subject:      re: Dylan
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	OK
	SOmeone tell me how the ACHY is done. I just have to know. if Billy Rae is as
 good as dylan we'll know in a few years, but I seriously doubt it. Sure dylan
 isn't sugar coated poser formula rock (or C&W) but as for translating whats
 inside him to music he
 kicks butt.
					Dave
					a dylan head
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>As the systems engineer for WMVM1, I have the ability to create new groups on
>our LISTSERV.  I would be to serve as the host site for such a group.  Two
>caveats:
>
>1) This machine is scheduled to be phased out around 7/93.  I *cannot*
>   guarantee that such a group would be moved to the replacement platform (an
>   RS6000 network, over which I have *no* authority).
>
>2) I do *not* have the time to act as manager for such a list.
>
>If there is anyone out there (Adam?) who would be willing to serve as list
>manager, let me know.  BTW, it may have to wait a while, as I'm on vacation
>next week, and don't know if I'd have time to set it up this afternoon.
>
>-Scott Hammer
> College of William and Mary

I'd love to do it but I have a couple problems myself:

1) I have no knowledge of list management requirements.

2) I will most likely lose my Internet access as of January due to the fact
   that I will be leaving this job and moving to North Carolina to look
   for a real job. I don't know how long it will be before (or even if) I
   get access to the net again.

-Adam

"I'm Southbound" - Gregg Allman

PS: The guv signed the budget = I finally got a paycheck  = CD SplurgeFest VIII
    Picked up some Sun Ra, Miles, Zorn/Naked City, Fish (w/ a "F" not a "Ph")
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From: Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

>My wife and I were walking through the supermarket parking lot last evening,
>and passed four cars in a row that had the same rap radio station on *LOUD*.
>(Interestingly enough, the occupants of three of the four cars were *not*
>persons of color.)

I think you must be unaware of the Federal law which provides that
when you get a car stereo with > n watts, bazooka speakers,
etc., you are prohibited from playing anything but rap and cowboy
music.

Bob
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