HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hennie@nuustak.csir.co.za (Hennie Rautenbach)
Subject: Re: re: 1956 Mercury Information
Organization: CSIR Information Services
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 08:37:56 GMT
Summary: mercury
Keywords: mercury

Hi

>ok.  so now we have the facts, you should be able to weigh the car, measure
>it's wheelbase and find pictures of the original by doing a little library
>research.  Chances are you have a few days to make a decision (despite what 
>the seller tells you.)  I'd go to a bookstore and find a copy of "Old Cars 
>Price Guide" This guide gives DETAILED information describing EXACTLY the 
>ranges that your car could be worth.  Sounds like from your description, 
>the car may be a #3 or maybe a #2, so average the numbers to 
>extrapolate a price.

How I wish I could obtain such a book here in South Africa. Prices on 
classic cars are thumb-sucked here in most cases. I'm a fins and chrome 
fanatic but these cars (55 to 61) are extremely rare to come by. Only a few 
US cars were produced locally during that period. The most popular 
collectors items of that period is most definitely Chevy's, especially the 
57 Bel Air and the 59 Bel Air and Impala. 

What would the value in US $ be of a restored 57 Bel Air Sport Coupe and a 4 
door with the stovebolt six ? Are they fairly common there ?

Cars with a high collectors value in South Africa is mainly British 
Classics, eg. 69 Jenson Interceptor, Aston Martin DB6, etc.

Maybe we can compare prices accross the globe....

Cheers

Hennie Rautenbach
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: enw2049@zeus.tamu.edu (WALKE, ERIK N)
Subject: Re: Route 66 Kicks...\
Summary: can someone explain?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  confusion . . .
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.090414.43776@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 
barnhill@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes...

>	If there are folks in the KCK or KCMO area interested in participating
>in the Route 66 anniversary celebration, I'll be glad to pass on what I know.
>If anyone from any of the Corvette Clubs locally has information, I'd ap-
>preciate it.  My info. is from my other hat as a British Car enthusiast, but
>I'm planning on driving my 'vette in this case. 

>Federal Law dictates that if you have one, and you're driving on Route 66, 
>you don't have no choice, nohow, contrawise.
>	db

       I'm sorry-what on earth does this mean?! . . .  

***************************************************************************
  All opinions expressed by this user are throughly confused and hopeful. 
  Needless to say, they are not those of his advisor or university.
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.tech
From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: convertible top motor rebuild kits?
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 04:58:56 GMT


	The top motor on my '67 bonneville was getting grumpy, so I 
pulled it off.  Upon dissassembly, I found that the electric motor
had a considerable amount of pump oil in it.

	Anyone out there rebuild one of these things?  Are rebuild
kits available, or should I get a whole new pump?  And the big question,
where can I get the stuff at a good price?

Thanks in advance!

--Ken

--
Ken R. Dye				an optimist is a guy		 |
Interactive Systems Corp., Chicago	that has never had		 | 
(800) LAI-UNIX x341			much experience			 |
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: PKR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Patrick Krejcik)
Subject: Re: Jags? - Well Mk II's at least
Followup-To: alt.autos.antique
Organization: SLAC
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:30:53 GMT

In article <jsamuels.11@lawlab_2.vill.edu>, jsamuels@lawlab_2.vill.edu
(Jeffrey Samuelson) wrote:
> 
> In article <PVA.92Oct7113956@lesti.hut.fi> pva@lesti.hut.fi (Pekka A Valtonen) writes:
> 
> >       Hello,
> 
> >       I was wondering if theres any Jaguar fans reading this group?
> >       Or if theres a mailing list for Jaguars or British cars in 
> >       general, I would like to join in.
> 
> >       I'm particularly interested on Jaguar Mk2, since I'm restoring one.
> >       Also interested on specialist Jaguar spares companies in the US.
> 
There is an e-mail mailing list for British Cars. It is not as convenient
as a bulletin board because you get e-mailed continually, but the info is
useful.
To be put on the mailing list you send a request to

sol-digest-requests@autox.team.net

The SOL stands for Sons of Lucas!

Here is an extract I posted there recently:

Thought I would share my 'resource list' from the experience
gained restoring a '66 Jaguar E Type Series I Coupe.
 
Supplier                   Comments
_________________________________________________________________
Welsh Jaguar         Exc. inventory of parts, new and used
Steubenville Ohio    Can offer helpful technical advice
800 875 5247
614 282 8649
 
XKs Unlimited        Also good inventory and advice, but pricey.
San Luis Obispo CA   Nice catalogue.
805 544 7864         Has a restoration shop that did a nice job
                     sleeving brake cylinders in stainless.
 
British Auto USA     Exc. inventory of interiors and body parts.
Manchester NH        Limited inventory of mechanical parts but I
800 452 4787         always check them out because they're cheaper!
                     (I avoid Bartlets for Jag interiors)
 
British Vintages Inc  Have their catalog but so far never used them.
San Luis Obispo CA
800 350 JAGS
805 541 5986
 
British Wire Wheels   THE place to go for correct reconditioning
Santa Cruz CA         of your JagWires.
408 479 4495          Also to buy THE correct tires.
 
Jaguar Cars Inc       For a fee will authenticate your VIDNs
Public Relations
Mahwah NJ
201 818 9770
 
Dick AIMES(?)          Best price on stainless steel exhaust systems
                      I've misplaced the address but can probably
                      look it up if pressed.
 
If anyone can add to the list that would be great.
 
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: tedg@apollo.HP.COM (Ted Grzesik)
Subject: Looking for '59 T-bird part
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:54:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

Hi,

My Uncle has recently finished restoring a '59 Ford Thunderbird.  He has found
all the needed parts except one.

Does anyone know where he can get the chrome trunk lock?
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You can reply to me by e-mail, or call him directly:
Wally Dunn, Dracut Mass., 1-508-957-3235

	Thanks,
	Ted Grzesik
-- 
Ted Grzesik       Massachusetts Language Lab             Hewlett-Packard Company
tedg@apollo.hp.com                                Chelmsford, MA  (508) 436-5959
"Contrariwise", continued Tweedledee, "If it was so, it might be; 
and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic."
                                        -- Lewis Carroll
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: rsch2883@cl2.cl.uh.edu (Otterstad, Erik/PLEDGER, RAY)
Subject: how input text? help!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Reply-To: RSCH2883@cl.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston - Clear Lake
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:23:00 GMT
From: little_re@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: 57ford-possible street rod?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:37:16 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

>>anyone think an old ford (57-58) truck would make a good street rod?
> 
> dude...i don't think so, but i'm biased...actually, i just wanted to
> tell you to refer to _Truckin'_ magazine published by (i think) 
> McMillan(?)
 
    If you want to follow what magazines like Hot Rod say, anything is
cool to make into a hot-rod!  A few months ago they had a "Dare to be
Different" feature (actually several articles).  There were some weird,
but cool, things in that issue.  I do remember several trucks that, and
other issues.  At any rate, do whatever you want!  All that matters is
that you like what you build!!
    I personally want to one day hot-rod an old Mustang.  Some people 
would never alter a classic like that, but I feel that you should do
whatever you want!  Plus, I also want a few restored ones!  
    When is that Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes going to be 
given out?????

--
Rich Little		
LITTLE_RE@LRC.EDU	A hotrodder is someone who is completely 
Lenoir-Rhyne College	baffled by people who are NOT into cars!
Hickory, NC		
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: fec@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (f.e.carey)
Subject: flathead Fords  (was: 57 Ford)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:04:53 GMT



  >mercury engines _were_ fords, as far as i know.

They were close.  Mercs had 4-inch cranks which the hot rodders sought.
The Mercs also advertised more horsepower.  I don't know if the crank
was the only difference.

  >until the early '50s, lincoln flatheads were *v12s*; 

The last Lincoln V12 was 1948.  



Frank Carey at Bell Labs
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: '66 Mustang 289 gas milage
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:27:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.

Hi,

We're the proud owners of a recently restored 66 Mustang Convertable.
It was my wife's 16th birthday present, and had remained (in a state
of disrepair) at her father's house since '77.  For her recent birthday,
I had it completely restored....it's beautiful!

Anyway, we just drove it back from N.C. to Tampa Fl. on I-95.  We drove
at about 63 MPH for the trip.  Each time I stopped (which was very
frequent) for gas, I checked the milage....it was getting between
13 and 14.5 MPG.  That seems very low to me, but we just don't know
what would be 'normal'.

The motor was rebuilt.  It's an automatic, with what appears to be
overdrive (large green dot on floor mounted selector).

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what we should expect for gas
milage?

Thanks
Ben
--
Ben Bailey                 ben@bailey.uucp -- bailey!ben@uunet.uu.net
12210 Shady Forest Dr.     ben@bailey.tscs.com
Riverview, Fl. 33569       -- The main thing is to keep the main
813-677-5021                  thing the main thing.  Mainly. 
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: thrift@convex.com (Michael R. Thrift)
Subject: Re: '66 Mustang 289 gas milage
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:38:36 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey) writes:


>Anyway, we just drove it back from N.C. to Tampa Fl. on I-95.  We drove
>at about 63 MPH for the trip.  Each time I stopped (which was very
>frequent) for gas, I checked the milage....it was getting between
>13 and 14.5 MPG.  That seems very low to me, but we just don't know
>what would be 'normal'.

>The motor was rebuilt.  It's an automatic, with what appears to be
>overdrive (large green dot on floor mounted selector).

>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what we should expect for gas
>milage?


Ben-

I have a 70 Mustang with a 302 and a 4 bbl carb on it.  It has, like
yours, an automatic transmission.

I regularly get around 15 mpg combined mileage.  My engine was rebuilt
around 30,000 miles ago.

Your mileage does seem a little low for what seems to have been primarily
highway driving.  I have gotten as high as 20 mpg in my car on the
highway.

If your motor was very recently rebuilt, that could have an effect.  Beyond
that, it could be any number of things (or nothing at all).

Hope this helps.


Michael Thrift
Convex Computer Corp.
Richardson, TX


Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: milliganc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Freeing stuck engine
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:26:31 GMT

Of Stuck Engines and Kroil
   You can get kroil by the gallon by ordering it though a business, or you
could try developing your own letterhead that looks like a business.  I've
used it on nuts and such for over 5 years.  I strongly recomend it.  But 
buy it bulk and use you own pump oil can(I use a light machine oil can with
a small nozzel) because it IS expensive. 
   However, the engine in our '38 Buick came from a junk yard and was stuck.
The head was taken off(for a valve job) and plain old kerosene, availible
from a local gas station, was poured in and left to soak.  In the end it
used less oil than my grandfathers then new '67 Chevell wagon.  Try it,
It's inexpensive.
			Good Luck,
				KILROY  
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: moonhawk@bluemoon.rn.com (David Culberson)
Subject: Wanted **  Tailgate for 1969 Dodge A100 Cab Forward Pickup  **  Want
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 00:43:34 EDT


  I want, nay, need a tailgate for a 1969 Dodge A100 pickup.  It is the
kind that use chain hooks to latch; one on either side.  Mine is rusted
very badly, and I want to restore it, and the tailgate is beyond salva-
tion.  Please, if you can help, help!  JC Whitney doesn't have it,
nobody in Hemming's Motor News has it, most have never heard of it!

   Thanks a LOT for any help you can give!

                David


---
( - moonhawk@bluemoon.cmhnet.org - dac@dacami.cmhnet.org - )
( - David Culberson - Check out the BMS site at dacami!  - )
From: miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: on that 68 continental, no manual, but that 460...
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:34:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NIST - Computing and Applied Mathematics Laboratory


In article <1992Oct14.121838.12780@cbnews.cb.att.com>, andrew.d.hay writes:
> In article <1bfgasINNd3n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
> "              what exactly is a 460 4-v??? i get the 460=460cid..
> "but what does the 4-v mean??
> 
> 4v is/was a common notation for 4bbl, as in carb throats.

The "v" is short for Venturi; so, like you say, a 4 venturi is a 4
barrel.

But now that you raise the issue, why is "bbl" short for barrel???
Sounds like it should be a 4 bubble carb !?!??!

And then there's all these Aunt Efi's drivin' round in their
personallized cars!
From: re_sims@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: 1976 Roadrunner 49K miles $750
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:35:42 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College


I have for sale:

1976 Plymouth Roadrunner

49,750 actual miles

318 V8 very quick
PS, PB, Auto. console,
buckets,

runs out real good, body is in fair to poor, looks
good, but has rust.

Bright Orange exterior w/Black interior

Asking $750

Car is in Eastern Ohio 

Jim Sims Sr. N4JDP    (614) 439-2177
re_sims@vax.muskingum.edu


Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Selling dad's car for college costs...was 
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:43:20 GMT

In article <Bw33n3.G5B@news.udel.edu> cary@brahms.udel.edu (Cary J Spaulding) writes:
>My dad is trying to sell his 1955 Ford Thunderbird.  It is white with a
>hard-top convertible.  Stick shift, two-seater, good condition.  He needs
>to sell this car to pay my way through college.  
>
>Interested?  Give Richard Spaulding a call at (908) 462-1774.

Hey Cary, why not get a job and then, maybe, your dad can keep
the car?

I have three kids and I hope to have them all attend college, but
they sure don't expect me to sell off my primary hobby pursuit
(several vintage Triumphs) to underwrite their educations.

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From: pva@lesti.hut.fi (Pekka A Valtonen)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Jags?
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:39:56 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


	Hello,

	I was wondering if theres any Jaguar fans reading this group?
	Or if theres a mailing list for Jaguars or British cars in 
	general, I would like to join in.

	I'm particularly interested on Jaguar Mk2, since I'm restoring one.
	Also interested on specialist Jaguar spares companies in the US.

						Thanks.

--
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  You can journey to infinity through the endless   ##  Pekka Valtonen
  passages of the cosmos. Even better, 		    ##  pva@vipunen.hut.fi
  this all belongs to you. This is your mind.	    ##  k34403r@taltta.hut.fi
From: bryan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
Subject: Final language of the Act
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:16:03 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I have a copy of the bill as passed by the Senate in January, but I'm
curious to know if anyone has a copy of the legislation as finally
passed. Is it different from the original bill, and if so how?

-Bryan
Xref: sparky alt.cable-tv.re-regulate:488 rec.video.cable-tv:1727 misc.consumers:17517
From: prmiskel@apgea.army.mil (Patricia R. Miskelly <prmiskel>)
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate,rec.video.cable-tv,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Gore Blasts Bush Veto Of Cable Bill
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:28:45 GMT
Organization: Edgewood

In article <1992Oct6.042011.16439@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.002648.11653@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>>
>>Here is a press release from the Clinton/Gore Campaign
>>
>> Gore Blasts Bush Veto Of Cable Bill
>>
>
>It's truly hard to believe that with a national deficit as high as
>ours is and with a host of social ills plaguing the country, the *one*
>issue the Congress has been able to override Bush's veto on is
>CABLE TELEVISION.  
>
>I don't much care for the local cable franchise, but it really is the
>city's job to properly stipulate and enforce the conditions of the
>franchise, not the federal government.
>
>Maybe the public *is* as dumb as the so-called elitists say they are.
>
>Daryl
>-- 
>Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu or  dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu

The public *is not* dumb.  In fact, the public is not *stupid* either.
The majority are being gouged by a deregulated entitity.

Please note that there *are* no mandatory "conditions of franchise"
that can be "enforced" by the "city" under deregulation.  Monopolies
abound in that industry and this bill addresses only those franchises
that lack competition.

I welcome competition, but in its absence, re-regulation will have to do.

Pat Miskelly

-- 
Pat Miskelly
pmiskel@dan.apgea.army.mil
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
Subject: re: Gore blasts veto
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:05:13 PDT
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems, Moraga, CA

While the cable TV bill is not the most important piece of legislation
in US history, isn't it nice to see a drastic and lopsided majority
of Americans agree on ANYTHING?
A.Lizard
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From: mrose@prufrock.stsci.edu (Mike Rose)
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate,rec.video.cable-tv,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Gore Blasts Bush Veto Of Cable Bill
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:31:17 GMT
	<1992Oct6.042011.16439@tamsun.tamu.edu>
	<1992Oct7.132845.12476@apgea.army.mil>
	<1992Oct7.175035.6209@tamsun.tamu.edu>
	<1992Oct7.185722.8179@walter.bellcore.com>
Reply-To: mrose@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

On 7 Oct 92 18:57:22 GMT, venky@thelonious.bellcore.com (G A Venkatesh) said:
>In article <1992Oct7.175035.6209@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>>Why can't cable
>>be done the same way -- perform or leave.

>Because, such a replacement would involve some discomfort
>and possibly temporary disconnection and even re-enrollment on part of the
>consumer

Another problem is that some cities don't own the cable plant, because
they let the cable company fund the cable plant so the city wouldn't
have to come up with the up-front cash.  
--
Mike Rose, mrose@stsci.edu, 410-338-4949
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate,rec.video.cable-tv,misc.consumers
From: dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)
Subject: Re: Gore Blasts Bush Veto Of Cable Bill
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:58:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.185722.8179@walter.bellcore.com> venky@thelonious.bellcore.com (G A Venkatesh) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.175035.6209@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>>>Please note that there *are* no mandatory "conditions of franchise"
>>>that can be "enforced" by the "city" under deregulation.  Monopolies
>>>abound in that industry and this bill addresses only those franchises
>>>that lack competition.
>>
>>Why can't they be enforced?  Many cities contract out services like
>>garbage collection (to companies like Laidlaw and Waste Management) who
>>operate more-or-less as a monopoly (is there any way to get out of
>>a residential garbage collection fee?).  The cities are certainly
>>free to cancel their contract for poor performance.  Why can't cable
>>be done the same way -- perform or leave.
>
>Because replacing a cable company is not as easy as replacing a garbage
>collection company? Because, such a replacement would involve some discomfort
>and possibly temporary disconnection and even re-enrollment on part of the
>consumer (since the cable rates are not included in the municipal/property
>taxes), 

Again, the town I live in is on its third cable company since 1987.
To my knowledge, none of the changes of cable companies forced anyone
to re-enroll. Billing and everything was transferred from one
company to another.  This is a fine example of something to put
in the franchise contract -- how transfer of billing records is to
be handled if the franchise is terminated.

As for temporary disconnection, heck, I encounter temporary problems in
my cable all the time (as I do with the "free" stations in the area).
It's not the end of the world.

>the same consumers who are likely to be spoilt enough to take out 
>their anger on the city council for interfering with their life rather than 
>see the need for the change? Besides, if you have had experience with the
>cable companies, they all come from the same school. It is a chicken and egg
>problem.

The cable companies would not all come from the same school if consumers
would exercise their pocketbook rights as well as their rights to petition
the city council.  If you don't like your cable service, CANCEL IT. If
enough people cancel it, then the cable company will wise up.  If you're
alone in the battle, then maybe you can find something else to do
with your free time.  There is no Constitutional right to cheap
cable television, and there are precious few reasons I can think of why
it's even a "necessary" convenience (in the same manner as a phone).

Daryl
-- 
Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu or  dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu
Support the 27th Amendment: The right of the People to enjoy low-cost
cable television shall not be infringed.    (not.)

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