From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Sales contracts - Take two
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:32:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <kathy_buetow-151092123935@physio103-1.life.uiuc.edu> kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow) writes:
>Sorry I missed the initial discussion on Contracts and the like....there
>are a few Re:'s left on my newsreader but that's all.   I do like Margets 
>idea on the $1,000 dollar penalty if all terms of the contract are not
>met....
>a similar clause will *definitely* be written into my contracts.
>
>A couple of questions that I'd like to pick other people's brain's about
>and/or start net.discussions on.........
>
>How do you handle "pet quality" contracts ?  I personally sell all
>pet puppies on a spay/neuter contract and provide papers *only*
>once proof of sterilization is provided me.  I do know of people,
>however, that just "don't provide papers".  This idea distresses
>me for a number of reasons..... ...........
>

I hold paper until proof of sterilization.  I don't like just
with holding papers because the owner then can not easily enter
obedience trials (which I strongly encourage for the dog and
their enjoyment :) ).   

>How do you feel about the AKCs new "Limited Registration"  ?
>

I agree with the "heart" of the idea, but the procedure is
terrible.  I would much rather just check the limited registration
box and let the new puppy owner name the puppy and register them.
The way it is now, I would have to name each pup and register it,
and then file forms to transfer ownership to the new owner.  
It's a lot of paper work and a way the AKC picks up more money.
I haven't named my puppies in the past, but I think I am going to
with my next litter, just so that I can trace my breedings and
get some recognition as a responsible breeder.  

>Is there a difference in prices for your "pet quality" and
>"show quality" puppies ?
>

I have never done so in the past, but I think that is going to change 
on my next litter.  I'm really looking for a few good show homes
for a few puppies and, because I want them to go to show homes I
am planning on increasing the price to prevent pet homes from
wanting that particular pup.  I have NO reserve about placing show
quality dogs in pet homes, but I'm trying to improve the breed
so I want a few of my pups out there for other breeders to look at.
Because I place all my pet pups on spay/neuter contracts, I would
be loosing a possibly valuable source of genetics and a good 
representative of the breed.  So I want to encourage pet owners
to get a good representative of my breed, but unless they are
willing to be responsible and concientious breeders, I don't want
to place breeding quality dogs in pet homes.


>An idea that I'd like to toss out to some of you breeders is
>that of sending a questionaire to all "prospective puppy 
>buyers".  I'm like Marget, I consider placing each of my
>puppies like an adoption.  My questionaire consists of 
>2 pages of questions and has questions on it that give me
>a *very* good idea as to whether the "prospective family"
>has really researched the breed and whether they have
>a real grasp on the responsiblities of pet ownership.
>I also ask for references.....and follow up on them.  I had
>a veterinarian in Texas almost hit the floor yesterday
>when I called him to ask about a couple that had just
>returned one of my questionaires.  He was tickled to
>death that I actually called to ask if they had provided
>"routine" medical care for their other animals, etc. 
>I have found the questionaire a *very* useful tool !!
>I would be happy to send it to anyone who is interested.
>I got the idea from a Collie/Basenji breeder friend
>and modified it to suit my own tastes.
>

I'd LOVE a copy.  I too have a small questionaire but I haven't
really have much luck with it.  I don't know why people get
so "ticked" about a questionaire.  Maybe its because it makes them
HAVE to think about the responsibility of a dog and they get mad
because they were not planning on taking dog care seriously.
Personnally, I would find a new vet if I were that person.  I
think vets should be concerned about animal welfare and should be
happy that breeders DO check up on their puppies and prospective
pet owners.


>I'm just interested in starting friendly discussions
>and idea-sharing.  I think one of the wonderful things
>of this forum is the ability to share ideas and 
>problems with fellow breeders/exhibitors/dog
>lovers !!  I was rather *disgusted* at some of the 
>downright nasty responses I got to my post regarding
>obedience and the "rescued" dog.  Flame away if you 
>wish, I live with ACD's...I have thick skin !!  
>

I love idea sharing.  I have a spay/neuter contract that
I've modified from a sheltie breeder, but I'd love a
copy of a co-ownership and a show contract.  
You won't find any flames here on this idea-sharing topic. :)

>I guess I just see this group as somewhere that we 
>can agree that we disagree and/or do things differently, 
>but that we all are here because of one thing....our love
>and devotion to dogs.
>
HERE HERE !!!!

>BTW, Holly your mailer is doing weird stuff too....I just
>got back a note I sent to you a week ago !!  (Kisses to
>Tristan !!)
>
>Cattle Dog Kisses and Heeler Hugs to all !!
>Kathy
>---------------------------------
>Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
>Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
>"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"


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Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee   5 mo. sable and white collie