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From: rush@MNEMENTH.METAPHOR.COM (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: TOC limitation
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:07:26 GMT

>> I cannot automatically produce a single line of TOC output, as in:
>>      CHAPTER 11:  Viewing Files..........................823

We have two-line chapter headings, as in
	Chapter 11
	Viewing Files
with the first line autonumbered "C:Chapter <n=11>" and the 
second line ordinary title text. The generated table of contents
also has these strings on two lines:
	Chapter 11 -
	Viewing Files   .................................  11-1
A function-key macro makes it okay, though:
	Chapter 11 - Viewing Files   ....................  11-1

If you want to do it this way, insert the following macro in your
kbmacros file. Our glossary and index files have the same format
but with autonumbering off, so the last few lines of the macro 
remove the spaces and dash before "Glossary" and "Index".

META-F9:  TOC--Fix Chapter lines:
   <\x41b \x45b \x432 \x433 \x432 \x47a  :
   \x201 \!ss\x489 \x41b \x45b \x541
   \x9 \x211 \x150 \\p\x9 0\x9 0\x9 1\x9 \x41b \x45b \x541
   \x9 \x211 \x150 \x9 0\x9 1\x9 \x9 1\x9 \x9 \xd \!rg\xd
   \!ss\x489 \x41b \x45b \x541
   \x9 \ \ \x147 lossary\x9 1\x9 0\x9 0\x9 \x41b \x45b \x541
   \x9 \x147 lossary\xd \!sn\x335
   \!ss\x489 \x9 \ \ \x149 ndex\x9 \x9 \x9 \x9 \x9 \x149 ndex\xd \!sn\x335 >
  -----------------------------------------
  Ed Rush, employed by but not speaking for
  Metaphor Computers, Mtn. View, CA
     UUCP: [...!{apple|decwrl}!]metaphor!rush
     Internet: rush@metaphor.com
  -----------------------------------------
Calm down, everyone, it's only ones and zeroes.
From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.cs.framemaker
Subject: Cross reference woe
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:46:00 GMT
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_



To successfully incorporate cross references into Document A from
Document B, the source file (Document B) must be open.  Frustrating?
...yes (particuarly considering that there's not an "open file" option
within the cross reference box).

However, that's not what I'm concerned with right now.  (I've long
since gotten used to this inconvenience, it being minor compared to
other FM misfeatures.)  What's nutty is that the Source Document
portion of the cross-reference box displays only the first 24 open
files.  The rest?  They're just not an option in this box.  It seems
to me that if I wish to select a file that does not appear in this
box, I must first close other file/s.

In my current situation, my book holds 29 files.  When I need the
25th file, I must close another file to be able to select it as the
source file of my cross reference.

Am I missing something or doing something incorrectly?  Is there a
way around this...?

Thanks for any leads.


----
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
				--Norman Maclean
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: neal@harlqn.co.UK (Neal Dench)
Subject: TOC limitation
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:50:33 GMT



On 2 Apr 92 18:47:04, Mike Sierra <mike_sierra@macmailgate.ora.com> said..

 >    REGARDING                TOC limitation
 > 
 >    Given two separate paragraphs in a source file, "ChapterLabel" and
 >    "ChapterTitle":
 > 
 > 	CHAPTER 11
 > 
 > 	Viewing Files
 > 
 >    I cannot automatically produce a single line of TOC output, as in:
 > 
 > 	CHAPTER 11:  Viewing Files..........................823
 > 
 >    You should be able to use syntax such as <$paranum[ChapterLabel]> when
 >    programming the TOC flow, to extract information from a previous paragraph, as
 >    you can in X-refs and running headers.  
 > 
 >    I wound up using three different autonumber streams to modify the
 >    "ChapterTitleTOC" paragraphs to represent:
 > 
 > 	Preface....................................................###
 > 
 > 	CHAPTER 11:  Viewing Files.........................###
 > 
 > 	APPENDIX L:  Error Messages.........................###
 > 
 >    The alternative is to generate both paragraphs in the TOC and then edit the
 >    file down to size, but this artificially inflates the size of the TOC, and can
 >    easily throw off page numbers for subsequent roman-numbered book files.  


There is an easier hack than this which I haven't tried in a TOC
specifically but have used elsewhere - and I see no reason why it
shouldn't work in a TOC.

Essentially, what you have to do is fudge the para format of the
ChapterLabelTOC paragraphs so that you don't get a linefeed when you
hit return.

To do this, set the Leading Space option (Basic properties in
paragraph format window) to be the negative of whatever your font size
is. So, for example, if your default font size is 12pt, set Leading to
be -12pt. The effect is, when you hit return, your in a new paragraph
but on the same line.

To avoid overwriting the  ChapterLabelTOC paragraph, you'll also have
to alter the ChapterTitleTOC's Indent properties so that it starts
further to the ;eft than the ChapterLabelTOC's.

I think you'll find this is easier than what you've doen, plus you end
up with the same paragraph layout in the TOC that you would have had
anyway.

I agree the solution is far from ideal, though!

Neal
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From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FUN in Pittsburgh
Keywords: Frame Users Network FUN Pittsburgh
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:08:55 GMT
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


In case you missed my first post (and because I promised a follow-up post)

				Hear ye, hear ye!

			   You are invited (one and all) 
	       To attend the first-ever introductory and organizational
		      Frame Users' Network (FUN) in Pittsburgh

Besides the organizational discussions 
	(like, Who are we and what do we wan FUN_in_Pgh to be?)

Faye McNeely and some other folks from Frame will be here for:
	1.  Demo of the MS Windows (PC) version of FrameMaker,
	2.  Discussion (and maybe demo) of FrameViewer,
	3.  Other wonderful things they are keeping secret!

If you would like to attend, please RSVP so I know how many to expect.

	Where: Software Engineering Institute (SEI)
		Carnegie Mellon University (CMU)
		Pittsburgh, PA (the Oakland section of the city)
		NOTE:  SEI is NOT on the CMU campus!
		(Directions are included below.)

	When: Thursday, April 23, 1992
		6:00 to 8:00 P.M.

	RSVP to: Alan S. Koch
		ask@sei.cmu.edu
		(412)268-6395

To all of those who have already RSVP'ed, THANKS--no need to contact me again.
See you next Thursday!

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213

DIRECTIONS FOLLOW!

The SEI is not located on the CMU campus. 
Rather, it is on 5th Avenue, across the street from St.  Paul's Cathedral, 
on the opposite side of Mellon Institute from Pitt's Cathedral of Learning.

From points South and West of Pittsburgh:
	I-79, to North-bound I-279, to East-bound I-376.
	Exit at Forbes Avenue, Oakland. 
	Follow the "Forbes Avenue" directions, below.

From points North of Pittsburgh:
	I-79, to South-bound I-279, to South-bound I-579, 
	to "to I-376, Monroeville, Oakland".
	At ramp to East-bound I-376, do not get on, 
		but go straight on "Forbes Avenue, Oakland"
	At next ramp, bear right onto Forbes Avenue.
	Follow the "Forbes Avenue" directions, below.

From points East of Pittsburgh:
	I-376 West-bound.
	Exit at Rt. 885, Oakland. Go up the hill toward Oakland.
	At the light at the top of the hill, 
		turn left on to the Boulevard of the Allies.
	At the next light, bear right onto Halket Street 
		(so the Howard Johnson's is on your right.)
	At the next light, turn right onto Forbes Avenue. 
	Follow the "Forbes Avenue" directions, below.

Once on Forbes Avenue:
	Follow Forbes Avenue through Oakland.
	Watch for the Cathedral of Learning (where Forbes becomes two-way).
	At the light after the Cathedral, turn left onto Bellefield Avenue.
	At the next light, turn right onto 5th Avenue.

	The SEI is the modern-looking stone, aluminum, and glass building
	in the second block on the right.

Once at the SEI building:
	There should be street parking available in the area. 
	You can also use the parking garage 
	which is behind the building (entrance is on Dithridge Street.)

	Enter the main entrance on 5th Avenue 
	and sign in at the guard's desk. 
	You will be given a visitor's badge 
	and directed to Training Room B on the second floor.
From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Adding TeX fonts to Framemaker
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:34:13 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1992Apr14.230114.26609@u.washington.edu> jaisimha@milton.u.washington.edu (M. Y. Jaisimha) writes:

>I need to able to add the TeX symbol \ominus to the special
>character set on Framemaker. There is a mechanism for
>adding Afm files to Framemaker, but how about TeX fonts ?

You can't add TeX fonts (.gf, .pk) to FrameMaker.

However, there are PostScript fonts with \ominus (LucidaBrightMath is
one) -- use one of those instead.



-- 
Anders Thulin       ath@linkoping.trab.se 
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: dan@rosevax.rosemount.COM (Dan Messinger)
Subject: Re: Frame to WP and MS Word filters summary
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:35:05 GMT

> 
> In article <39606@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> you write:
> |> Hi everybody,
> |> 
> |> I'm in need of a filter that converts a MIF file to WP (5.0 or 5.1)
> |> or MS Word (the PC version) format, commercial or PD. I'm aware
> |> of the Document FilterPak, but it only seems to be able to convert
> |> FROM those formats TO FrameMaker format.
> |> 
> 
> Robert,
> 
> The FilterPak 3.0 (which JUST came out) is bi-directional on WordPerfect 5.1.
> That is, you can both import and export WP 5.1 documents.

The FilterPak 3.0 filter only handes MAC WordPerfect files, not the DOS version.

dan@scooter.rosemount.com


Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: henryb@sco.COM (Henry Budgett)
Subject: Importing PostScript file
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:28:53 GMT

    From: Cindy Sievers <sievers@agps.lanl.gov>
    Message-Id: <9204101640.AA04619@topgun.agps.lanl.gov>
    To: framers@agps.lanl.gov
    Subject: Importing PostScript file

    This is my first time corresponding with this group so please 
    bear with me....

    A PostScript file from a Framemaker document was created by "Printing 
    only to file" from the File/Print menu.  Later, the original Framemaker
    document was deleted (without a .backup but that's another story). 
    Is it possible to convert that PostScript file back into a 
    Framemaker Document?

There is one way to get it back - print the PostScript file and 
then OCR the resulting pages. Save a lot of typing!

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: neal@harlqn.co.UK (Neal Dench)
Subject: Converting Frame files to RSF format -- or maybe not!
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:15:30 GMT



Regarding my question yesterday about converting from Unix frame->RSF
format.....

I did of course mean RTF format (thanks Russ).

More haste less speed!!   X-p

Neal
From: lange@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Linda Lange)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: LaTex -> FrameMaker
Keywords: tex, frame
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:16:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In article <1992Apr10.111832@spirou.Berkeley.EDUj.c.martin@frec.bull.fr> j.c.martin@frec.bull.fr (J.C MARTIN) writes:
>Hi,
> Does anybody know a way to convert Latex files into FrameMaker
> documents ?
>
> Thanks.
>
>---
>
> Jean Christophe MARTIN

There is a public domain filter that converts LaTeX to FrameMaker available
through Nigel Horspool (nigelh@csr.uvic.ca).  We received a copy of this
filter called la2mml and successfully imported a LaTeX file into Frame-
Maker 3.1.  Contact Nigel and specify what kind of system you're on.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ijg01%raptor@ALBNYDH2.BITNET
Subject: Frame and Interpress
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:40:14 GMT


We are looking for products, commercial or public domain, that support
framemaker output to Interpress, rather than Postscript.

Does anyone on the list have more information on this ?

    Regards,

   - ivan
From: hkarhune@hydra.Helsinki.FI (Heikki Karhunen)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Is there a pict2mif filter somewhere?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:15:13 GMT
	<6216@atexnet.Atex.Kodak.COM> <leifh.702639350@isy.liu.se>
Organization: Department of Theoretical Physics, University of Helsinki,
	Finland


*sigh*

The reason why those PICT pictures never appear on other platforms than Mac
can easily be understood if one saves a document containing PICT stuff as
MIF and looks it through. The PICT pictures are preceded by a comment
indicating that the following is in PICT format and then the PICT stuff 
itself.

Naturally Frames on other platforms are not taught how to handle this and they
resort to the old grey box syndrome. The only way I can see out of this mess
is to translate the PICT to some more agreeable format, MIF or EPS, for
example.

Just some food for thought....

	Heikki Karhunen

/-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------\
| hkarhune@kruuna.helsinki.fi | There is always a job for a theoretical |
| Heikki.Karhunen@helsinki.fi | physicist -- at least in theory.        |
\-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------/
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Paul_Berry@NEXT.COM
Subject: "No insertion point"
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:54:38 GMT

Several writers to "framers" have commented on the message "No insertion point."
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mike_sierra@MACMAILGATE.ORA.COM (Mike Sierra")
Subject: book files within book file
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:49:35 GMT

REGARDING                book files within book files

I just discovered something interesting and useful about book files.  For
navigation purposes, you can nest book files within book files.  For example,
you can create a book file that contains pointers to all the other book files
on your disk.  In fact, I think that's exactly what I'm going to do.  You
cannot, however, print or regenerate other book files from this remote book
file, which makes sense.  I don't believe any of this is documented.  


     Mike Sierra
     O'Reilly & Associates
     90 Sherman St.
     Cambridge, MA  02140
     (617) 354-5800
     mike@ora.com
From: gah@zoo.bt.co.uk (Geoff Hopson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Frame Training within the UK
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:05:51 GMT
Reply-To: gah@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

Dear Net,

Could anyone please post/mail the name(s) of any organisations that provide 
training within the UK for Sun and Mac-based Frame, in particular the 
administrative side of things.

Thanks in advance

Geoff
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mike_sierra@MACMAILGATE.ORA.COM (Mike Sierra")
Subject: Autosave as MIF?
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:54:51 GMT

REGARDING                Autosave as MIF?

Is there a way to set Frame to save files as MIF rather than binary?  I
understand Frame supplies utilities to convert binaries to MIF and back, but
I'm interested in the possibility of making this the default behavior for
Frame.  Any such thing?  Thanks.


     Mike Sierra
     O'Reilly & Associates
     90 Sherman St.
     Cambridge, MA  02140
     (617) 354-5800
     mike@ora.com



Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ama@GLNPOGIS3.R05.EPA.GOV
Subject: New Subscriber
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:11:24 GMT

Hi Framers!

Please add me to this august and chatty little group.
Thanks in advance.

Alex Mallory
 US EPA
 312 886-4017
 ama@glnpogis5.r05.epa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: pjy@merlinanu.edu.au (Peter Young)
Subject: Frame and mail merge
Keywords: mail merge
Organization: Mt. Stromlo and Siding Spring Observatories
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 02:09:59 GMT


Does anyone know about the rumoured public-domain software that provides a mail-merge 
facility for use with Frame?

Thanks - Peter Young

Systems Programmer
Mt Stromlo & Siding Spring Observatories
Australian National University
Canberra.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mwightma@t4rta-gw.den.mmc.com (Mike Wightman)
Subject: Re: Unknown message in book file
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Distribution: inet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:36:37 GMT

In article <9204072033.AA21423@tardis.dbaccess.com>, barbarag@tardis.dbaccess.COM (Barbara Green) writes:
|> 
|> Once or twice, when I have used the Generate/Update command on the File menu
|> of a book file, I have gotten an (as far as I can find out) undocumented
|> message in the message line of the book. This happens after Frame has
|> run through all of the files and finished resolving references and so on.
|> 
|> The message is "Degenerate!" It is not listed in the messages in the 
|> Frame Reference. I have only noticed it when I use Generate to update page
|> numbers and cross references, not when I am generating a TOC.
|> 
|> Anybody else see this? So far, it doesn't seem to have any real consequences.
|> Is it just a developer's sense of humor? My coworkers have responded to 
|> my questions with either "I didn't know you were one," or "I am not!"
|> 
|> Regards,
|> Barbara L. Green
|> barbarag@dbaccess.com

I have had a similar problem.  However, I received the message when I was
trying to update TOC, LOF, LOT and LOP (appendices).

When I generated the files separately, everything worked all right.  I thought
the problem had something to do with the book I had created (which needed many
"hardcoding" of paragraph numbers and figures).  If someone could tell me what
is going on it should would help for the next time I produce a document.

Thanks,
Mike

------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Michael Wightman    (303) 977-1854
   Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
   P. O. Box 179  M/S L5750
   Denver, Colorado 80201
   mwightma@t4rta-gw.den.mmc.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: garyd@netcom.com (Gary Dietz)
Subject: Frame for Windows beta / Training Materials
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 13:29:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Hi,

Any suggestions for tweaking Windows 3.1 to get Frame beta to work 
best on a 386/33 w/*mb on a Novell network?  It's the only 
app running.

(I take my beta non-disclosure seriously, so please don't ask me any 
questions about the beta.)

Also, anyone have any suggestions about written training material or
third party books for FrameMaker?  I can't seem to find any. . . 

Finally, any FAQs about FrameMaker that will be useful to someone with
tons of DTP and SGML experience trying to move to Frame?

Thx,


-- 
garyd@netcom.com  "If I hugged you any closer, I'd be behind you" - G. Marx
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: sievers@AGPS.LANL.GOV (Cindy Sievers)
Subject: Importing PostScript file
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:40:50 GMT

This is my first time corresponding with this group so please 
bear with me....

A PostScript file from a Framemaker document was created by "Printing 
only to file" from the File/Print menu.  Later, the original Framemaker
document was deleted (without a .backup but that's another story). 
Is it possible to convert that PostScript file back into a 
Framemaker Document?
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kww@cbnews.cb.att.com (kevin.w.wall)
Subject: Columbus Frame User Group -- kickoff meeting
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: cmh
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:37:56 GMT
Keywords: user group, FUN

A Frame User Group (aka, Frame User Network) is forming in central Ohio.
The first meeting will be held on Thursday, April 22 at 6:00PM at:

	Chemical Abstracts
	2540 Olentangy Rd.
	Columbus, Oh.

The format of this first meeting will be both organizational and informative.
Faye McNeely, the regional Frame sales manager will be there to demonstrate
FrameMaker for MS-Windows.  Also, Faye is trying to arrange to have Mark
Hamilton, the Frame Technology's Electronic Documentation Manager, to give
a presentation of FrameViewer.

If you would like to attend this 1st user group meeting or need more
information, please contact:

	Alan Addis
	(614) 447-3600

(Please don't contact me.  I am only posting this at the request of Faye.)

Cheers!

-- 
In person: Kevin W. Wall			AT&T Bell Laboratories
Usenet/UUCP: {att!}cblph!kww			6200 E. Broad St.
Internet: kww@cblph.att.com			Columbus, Oh. 43213
		"Death is life's way of firing you!" -- Hack rumor
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: chili@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew S Carney)
Subject: How can one align verticle equations by "="
Keywords: Align, equations
Reply-To: chili@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew S Carney)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:23:17 GMT

Dear Netters,
	I am using Frame 3.0 on a Mac II ci. My question is: Is there any way to
automatically align equations on the "=" ? When I choose "Verticle List" from
the
equation pallette the new equation is centered in the middle of the current
frame.
I need all "verticle" equations to be aligned by the "=", not centered. My
current
work around is to create the equations separately and move them into one frame
and
manually adjust their alignment. Any tips would be helpful. Thanks in advance,

			- Matt.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: doc@sesca1.SINet.slb.COM (Saint Etienne Documentation Department)
Subject: FIB Regisration
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:15:18 GMT

Hi, 

Could you please register us on the Frame Information Bulletin Board.

Best regards,

Nicholas LOCKIE

Documentation Group
Schlumberger Technologies
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Frame 2.0D on NEXT's
Organization: Shaman Consulting
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:50:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.063249.21934@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
> Is this piece of software usuable, does anybody have a bug report list
> available.  Is it capable of producing thesis type work or should I
> look at LaTeX, my document will contain numerous screen captures and
> while psfig is nice i'm sure frame could handle this job better.


The latest shipping version of FrameMaker for the NeXT is 3.0.1, I  
believe.  You can get an upgrade (expensive) by calling Frame.  My ex did  
her thesis with FrameMaker (back when she wasn't my ex) 2.0 and it went  
perfectly. It is very capable and fairly easy to use program.

	- Jiro
-- 
Jiro Nakamura				jiro@shaman.com (NeXTmail)
NeXTwatch / Technical Editor		76711,542 (CIS)
The Shaman Group			+1 607 277-1440 (Voice/Fax)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame