HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tgent@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Tom Gent)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ++ADVICE ON POTENTIAL LAWSUIT(on a motorcycle)++
Summary: Wrong size battery ????
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:40:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NASA

In article <1992Sep1.190359.2242@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber) writes:
>
>I recently bought another motorcycle to add to my collection and this is what 
>happened:
>
>  (stuff deleted)
>
>The day I picked it up from the shop, it died again.  this time they found that
>the battery that was in it was the wrong size and it ruined the first Reg-Rec. 
>and would do the same again.
>
>I ended up with $250.00 in bills between two batteries and the repair.  The guy
>I bought it from told me that he knew of nothing wrong with it.
>
>  (stuff deleted)
>
>THE HYPEMAN

I have been patiently waiting for one of the (mechanics/engineers/physicists)
on this venerable net to point out the obvious, and can hold back no longer..
There is no way that the "wrong size" battery can ruin a regulator,  barring
any silliness like 6V in a 12V system, flashlight battery, etc.  So before
you speak of lawsuits, you have to determine who is bullshitting you the most -
the mechanic or the previous owner.  By the way, tell us all where this shop
is, I want to make sure never to go there!  They should have been able to
tell whether the problem was the battery or the regulator the first time in.
My guess is you bought more than you needed, and you'll never know which 
item was bad or when it went bad.

P.S. Batteries can go from "just fine" to "deader'n Hell"  between home and
the store, a one-year-old Die Hard did just that in my bike recently, and
yup, it was the battery.

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Tom Gent   tom-gent@kssib.ksc.nasa.gov       no DoD #
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84 Sabre
From: edwardk@cup.portal.com (edward chungfan kwok)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Computers for Law (Was Re: Advice for first year law studen
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:55:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug21.215516.22398@leland.Stanford.EDU>
  <1992Aug22.134038.5924@eff.org> <175svgINNlf1@gw.home.vix.com>

Anne and Mike went back and forth:

>You know, I don't think that Mike and I are in disagreement here...I
>think that we simply were coming at the same general statement from
>two different perspectives and sets of experiences.
>
>Apparently, in Mike's mind's eye, he was seeing and thinking of 1Ls
>with little to no computer experience, and who, once working, would
>only need or want word processing compatibility between their home and
>office computers.  Certainly a valid point of perspective.
>

I guess I am of the type who likes to hear my own voice.  So instead of
keeping silent, I'd like to throw in my 2 bits:

I think the arguments about IBM or MAC is much ado about nothing.  
Most of us who use a computer in the office really don't see DOS or the 
MAC Grapical Interface .  We use applications, such as WordPerfect, Summation 
etc.  These applications look the same whether the platform is DOS, MAC, 
Windows or UNIX, if they are supported.

I have been using DOS machines for years.  I didn't know DOS, other than
"format," "copy," "del," and "cd" until I had to figure out why windows 
would't run on my then newly acquired DR DOS 6.0.  For 10 years, I didn't 
know what expanded memory, extended memory, high memory and upper memory 
were.  And I survived my first year as a lawyer.  I still couldn't get my
windows to run under DR DOS 6.0.  On the hand, having dabbled a little 
bit with program development on UNIX, I know UNIX much better.  The 
knowledge of UNIX neither help nor hurt me in my first year as a lawyer.  
Then again, may be I am practicing the wrong kind of law.


As to moving between mac at home and ibm at work, my advice: write at
work, read at home.   Works well for me.
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,rec.arts.movies
From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:09:14 GMT

thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>However, I feel all Italians on the net should be offended by your use
>of the Marx Brothers' nicknames, which were given to them by someone
>making fun of Italians.  

Huh? Where did you get this idea? According to Harpo (from his autobiography)
the names were given to them by a friend during a card game. Harpo, because
he played the harp. Groucho becase he caarried his money in a grouch-bag. Chico
because he chassed the chicks (the 'k' was dropped by accident on a program and
then left off permanently) Gummo because he had a gumshoe way of sneaking up
on you. Later the brother deicded on Zeppo (Zeppo wasasn't in the act at that 
time) because there was a performing monekey named Zippo. 

Michael

-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty
From: matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Summary: A car needs fuel and tires before it can run.
Keywords: Envy; Resentment
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:23:37 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.

In article <1992Aug28.152715.24814@Princeton.EDU> 
egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:

>I also recall the shabby
>treatment meted out to Mark Ethan Smith and Cheryl Stewart by some self
>appointed net.gods a few years back.  My take is that Mark was a woman
>who wanted a male name on the net in order to get some respect for her
>opinions, and Ms. Stewart happened to express some feminist convictions
>outside of soc.feminism, . . . [Ed Nilges]

Cheryl Stewart was posting articles condemning stay-at-home wives
as "parasites" long before soc.feminism came into existence.

>. . . I am a white, northern
>European male who's ashamed of the behavior of my tribe.  [Ed Nilges]

I would never have guessed it.

In a sense, the Movement is like an automobile.  In order to run,
a car needs both fuel and tires.  The Movement's fuel is a high-
octane mixture of Envy and Resentment.  But even with such explosive
fuel, the Movement would not have got anywhere without the tires of
white male Guilt.

President Lyndon Baines Johnson was the son of Sam Ealy Johnson,
the man who ran the Klan out of East Texas.  LBJ's administration
was so haunted by white guilt that it set up the "Great Society"
entitlement programs that, a quarter of a century later, are still 
growing out of all control, bankrupting States as well as the Federal
Government.  Neither President Richard Nixon nor President Jimmy
Carter was able to halt this growth; indeed, at the end of Mr. Carter's 
administration, the Federal Government's share of the Gross National
Product was pushing 23%.  Then the mantle of leadership passed to
President Ronald Reagan, a man without an ounce of white male guilt
in him.  For a while there -- when he had a Republican Senate to
work with -- the Federal share of GNP actually declined to about 19%.
Envy and Resentment were as hot as ever, but the Envious and Resentful
knew they could expect little from the man who, as Governor of 
California, had sent National Guard helicopters to drop tear gas
onto rioting leftist hippie Movement types at Berkeley.  Without
tires of white male guilt underneath it to keep it rolling, the 
Movement ground to a halt during the Reagan years -- even the "ERA" 
died a natural, unlamented death.

The last thing this country needs now, when it stands at the edge
of greatness, is more "white, northern European male[s] who [are]
ashamed of the behavior of [their] tribe."

					-- Matt Rosenblatt
                                        (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
TRUTH     JUSTICE     FREEDOM     YIDDISHKEIT     IVY     THE AMERICAN WAY
Newsgroups: uiuc.civil-liberty,misc.legal
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: [misc.legal] Maryland Law Brief
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:01:23 GMT

heal@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Loren Heal) writes:

>kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>
>>[A repost - Carl]
>
>>And of course, the Court of Appeals is right.  The first principle
>>of government ought to be that the ordinary citizen going about his
>>business and breaking no laws deserves to be let alone.
[...]

Matt Rosenblatt, matt@amsaa.brl.mil, is the author.

- Carl


--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:16:06 GMT

In article <GPRIORES.92Aug28114045@fish.oracle.com>, gpriores@oracle.com (gordon prioreschi) writes:
> 
Seth:
I think in at least one matter I believe we have done Mr Nilges an injustice.
 He actually does have a sense of self irony.

Sheheryar:
Who is this "we"?  Does it comprise of any minority or woman?  Ofcourse not.
I guess the old white boy network is always and unconditionally united!  And 
correct of course! (Just in case, the last sentence was sarcastic!)
> 
Gordon: Seriously, wasn't that whole paragraph facetious? If not, it appears
> we might have found Mr. Ed's female counterpart, the logical Jackee
> Joyner-Kersee.

My dear mr. gordon, if you read the first page of the Arabian Nights (that is
if your ethnophobe self has ever considered reading anything with "Arab"
on the cover), you will realize that the name Sheheryar is "male."  
When I say "woman or minority" I am including people of the other sex and
other races in my struggle.  Standing for others is an alien concept for
you. I think I know that already.

Gordon: 
 And thus (unintentionally, I'm sure) we come dangerously close to
> sanctioning the all-too-common (dare I say Politically Correct?)
> assumption that being stated by a minority or a woman somehow
> automatically confers an extra measure of logical coherency on an
> argument.

Sheheryar:
I would not equate PC with "all to common."  If the opinions of women
and minorities were considered the "common opinion" the US would be a 
different place altogether. 




Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: sgupta@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Sameer Gupta)
Subject: Help with law regarding reckless driving
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:44:58 GMT

I am new to this news group.  Please frogive me if this question should not be
posted on this group.

I received a speeding ticket in VA (81 in a 65 mph zone).  The officer charged
me with reckless driving and said I must appear in court.  I am a VA resident,
but right now I am a graduate student at Purdue University (Indiana).  The
court is at least a 8 hr drive from here and I would like to avoid taking this
trip in the middle of my semester.  Please tell me what I should do ?

I do have a clean record, if that can help me in any way.

Please help !!

Sameer Gupta
sgupta@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: individual/company rights on the network
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:13:00 GMT

dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892) writes:

[...]
>I have no doubt that this is true.  But, in most states (if not all) is 
>disharge (firing) without justification not a tort?
[...]

Only in a few states.

- Carl

--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Dismissed with prejudice?
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:23:42 GMT

O1EVERT@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Tom Evert) writes:

> Can someone explain what is meant by a "dismissed with prejudice" decesion
> from a judge?   Thanks!
>  
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> TOM EVERT (O1EVERT@AKRONVM.BITNET) *   LISTSERV OWNER OF OPERS-L
>      THE UNIVERSITY OF AKRON       * MAINFRAME COMPUTER OPERATIONS
>       INFORMATION SERVICES         *       DISCUSSION GROUP
>       AKRON, OH  44305-3501        *
>  
>   COMPUTER OPERATIONS - A DIRTY JOB BUT SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT!!
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

I believe it means that the charges are dropped and the state cannot 
refile them.

olga@csiatl.gwinnett
YOW!
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: getting a loan out of my name
From: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 16:54:27 GMT
Reply-To: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico

Two years ago I secured an auto loan for my then-girlfriend.  She had recently
started her own business and the banks required 3 years worth of income tax
records for self-employed people.  Since she was not in business for three
years and could not produce these records, she could not qualify for the loan.
The car cost $12,000.  She put down $4000 cash and I borrowed $8000 for her.
Her name is not on the loan as a co-signer.  Both of our names are on the
insurance and registration.

I am no longer in a relationship with this person and want my name off this
loan.  I have concerns that if she ever gets in an accident and injures 
someone, the lawyers would come knocking at my door.  My assets are far greater
than hers.  She is unwilling to pursue re-financing the loan in her name. 
This is her third year in business and she has not yet filed her income 
taxes, so she would probably still not qualify.  She makes the monthly payments
regularly.  She says I am being neurotic by worrying about the accident
thing.  I think it is a totally realistic concern.  Legally, I *can* be
held responsible since my name is on the loan, insurance and registration.
I cannot get my name off the insurance.  The bank requires that the car be
insured in my name, since I have the loan.  I cannot get my name off the 
registration.  The insurance company requires that the car be registered in
my name.  

I do not know a way to "force" her to get her own loan.  I see three choices:
1) leave things the way they are for the next 2 years and hope she doesn't get
into an accident
2) forfeit on the loan.  The bank would reposess the car.  No skin off my
back since it is not my car.  However, my credit record would obviously
suffer (for 7 years?) if I do this.
3) have her name taken off the registration and insurance and in effect 
pretend that the car is mine.  There is really no legal way she can prove
she owns the car.  Everything is in my name.  I don't really want to do this
to her though.  I am not trying to be mean, but she won't cooperate with me
on this.

Does anyone have any better suggestions for me to pursue?  
Thanks in advance.

***********************************************************************
Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist
California State University, Chico  Computing Services
rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Computers for Law (Was Re: Advice for first year law studen
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:55:05 GMT

In article <64763@cup.portal.com> edwardk@cup.portal.com (edward chungfan kwok) writes:

>I think the arguments about IBM or MAC is much ado about nothing.  
>Most of us who use a computer in the office really don't see DOS or the 
>MAC Grapical Interface .  We use applications, such as WordPerfect, Summation 
>etc.  These applications look the same whether the platform is DOS, MAC, 
>Windows or UNIX, if they are supported.

Well, this is not really true. Compare Symantec's MORE for the Mac to its
Grandview for DOS platforms. 

My argument for the Mac is, as I said earlier, not grounded in computer
architecture. It is grounded in applications, which I strongly believe
are better designed for the Mac than for DOS machines, in general. 
What's more, consistency of interface *among* applications and data
compatibility *among* applications is far greater on the Mac than
on any other platform I've used. (For example, cutting a tree chart
or a Gantt or PERT chart from a Mac project-management application
and pasting it into a word-processor or spreadsheet is so trivial that
unsophisticated Mac users can figure out how to do it; the same task
on a DOS platform is normally impossible.)

>I have been using DOS machines for years.  I didn't know DOS, other than
>"format," "copy," "del," and "cd" until I had to figure out why windows 
>would't run on my then newly acquired DR DOS 6.0.  For 10 years, I didn't 
>know what expanded memory, extended memory, high memory and upper memory 
>were.  And I survived my first year as a lawyer.

As I said before, if you already know DOS machines, and already own one,
don't purchase a Mac for law school.

>As to moving between mac at home and ibm at work, my advice: write at
>work, read at home.   Works well for me.

This is excellent advice. One thing I never said in response to Ann's
original comment was that if it were truly difficult to integrate
one's home Mac with one's office PC, *this would be an advantage*.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Graffiti Ordinance Ex Post Facto
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:21:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.185106.4511@aero.org> foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:
>My city is working on an ordinance to allow the city to take action of up
>to six months in jail if a person does not remove graffiti, or allow the
>city to remove it. The ordinance is directed at one specific individual.
>
>The city is passing this ordinance to get her to allow them to remove
>graffiti which is already there. Is this not an ex post facto law if it is
>applied to her.

Not unless they punish her for failing to remove the grafitti six months
ago.  If they prosecute for failing to comply with the statute after the
statute has been passed, it's no longer ex post facto.
-- 
             ......................................................
             ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | std disclaimers
             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             it's log!  log!  log!  it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:48:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.213055.17263@midway.uchicago.edu>
hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
>In article <2A9D3CE0.17246@orion.oac.uci.edu>, cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:

>> I think in at least one matter I believe we have done Mr Nilges an injustice.
>> He actually does have a sense of self irony.
>
>Who is this "we"?  Does it comprise of any minority or woman?  Ofcourse not.
>I guess the old white boy network is always and unconditionally united!  And 
>correct of course! (Just in case, the last sentence was sarcastic!)

Who authorized you to speak for all minorities and women?

I'm a member of several minority groups; you certainly don't speak for
me.  In fact, with the possible exception of Ed Nilges (and has
anybody ever seen Ed Nilges and Sheheryar Hasnain at the same time?),
I don't think you speak for anybody else.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com (Claire Cates)
Subject: Custody case question
Originator: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:22:29 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


I am supposed to go to trial Sept 8 (next date in a list of
many that were supposed to happen) to determine the custody
of my 2 girls.  I had a meeting with my lawyer today and
he told me statistically if the case goes to court the man
wins in 60% of the cases.   I had been led to believe from
everything I have ever seen or heard that the women has the
better chance of winning custody even if she is a total wreck.
I would be interested in other peoples opinions on this statistic.

Thanks

Claire S. Cates
cates@unx.sas.com
From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: [UPI] High court strikes down ethnic intimidation law
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:24:04 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Aug27.194232.18207@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>	``The Legislature thought racially motivated crimes deserved a
>stiffer penalty,'' said Deters.
			  ^^^^Definitely an advocate of deterrants.

More likely the Legislature thought it would play well in the election.

I was just reading the FIJA literature about the Salem witch trials being
stopped by juries refusing to go along with the law, then this and 
the civil forfeiture stuff, the extreme reaction to "Satanic cults", etc.
Lots of prosecution based on hearsay, supposition, and beliefs.
After 300 years of history, has there been any progress or did we
just eliminate the power of juries to stop the prosecutors?

"That will be 18 months for murder, 15 years for suspicion of condoning
marijuana use, 20 years for laughing at a Polish joke, and 50 years for
lewd thoughts.  Another life sentence for not kowtowing to the judge properly.
It will be a lot worse if this goes to trial, although the murder charge
might not stick."

	 George Tucker        tucker@tcville.hac.com
What is the world's largest government subsidy to agriculture,
terrorism, speedboat manufacturing, organized crime, and prison
construction?
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was: Mister Ed Nilges)
Originator: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:42:05 GMT

In article <2A9BA41B.17713@orion.oac.uci.edu> cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:

>If I may quote the 1st ammendment of the US constitution:

>"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
> ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^
>prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
>of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to 
>petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

>Notice in particular the first five words. That is what Freedom of Speech  
>means.

I take an exception to that.  Freedom of Speech is _not_ merely a
feature of the US constitution.  The 1st amendment is only one
way of protecting it.  Don't put the cart before the horse.

(There is life and even some freedom of speech outside USA,
you know.)
--
Tapani Tarvainen    (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship