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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Fundamental Questions.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:07:58 GMT

In article <BzML3J.58y@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>In article <2B324295.12886@news.service.uci.edu>
> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>>
>>	In Tamil Nadu, Chettiars (Nagaraththar, VaaNiyar, Komutti etc.),
>>	Balija (both Tamil and Kannada speaking and EVR belongs to the
>>	later), Kamma, VeLLalas (like Saiva veLLaaLar, veerakkudi,
>>	vELaaLar etc.), Reddiyars, are few of the non-brahmin upper castes that 
>>	are forward castes. However, the major opposition seems to be
>>	always from Brahmins, in spite of having an effective control
>>	over central government bueracracy, which other castes lack.
>>
>Very informative. Thanks.
>Are mudhaliyaars, naidoos also included in above? Many among them are
>also in the 'socially high status' people, as well as being well of
>financially. Are there further 'sub reservations' or simply two
>divisions, 'forward' and 'backward'? 

	I think (not sure) Sengundha Mudhaliyars/Arcot Mudhaliyars are 
	forward caste. Naidus, Balija and Kamma, are forward castes.
	
	There was a 'sub reservation', within backward, called
	'most backward', comprising few really backward castes, like
	vannaar, ambattars etc and the one that was a very large 
	population is vanniyar. Earlier DMK regim decompartmentalised
	BC reservation, thanks to the powerful castes within the BCs,
	making narikkuravar (yes the nomadic narikkuravars
	are 'backward' caste, which in my opinion should be put in
	Scheduled Tribe category), ambattar, vannaar etc. to compete with,
	Mudhaliars, Kongu gounders etc. Not only that they increased the 
	% of BC reservation (from 27% to 32% ?) and included few more
	castes, which were forward castes before (Kongu gounder was one
	of them). 

	This is the main reason, for Vanniar uprising, which is genuine
	in my opinion (I come from Vanniyar dominated region). They rightly
	blamed DMK as their No.1 enemy, but instead of showing their anger
	on the higher castes within BC, who were stealing their share, they
	vented their frustration on the poor Scheduled caste people. This
	is because two reasons: (1). They saw many Scheduled caste people,
	who were lower in caste, overtaking them and (2). it was easier to
	attack them than the other powerful backward caste people.

	After converting Vanniyar Sangam into a political party, PMK, they
	are trying to patch up the SC community, but the latter still looks
	at them with doubt.

>
>>	M.Sundaramoorthy
>>	sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
>
>
>KS
>

	-MS
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 54
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:22:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47778
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


       "mEgangalaiyellAm  thottu vida aasai!
        		sOgangalaiyellAm vittu vida aasai!
		kArkuzhalil ulagai katti vida aasai !! "

	From "chinna chinna aasai..."

	Contributed by Kesavan.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
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Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. 
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From: gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Kazhi-nediladi Aciriya viruttam [padinAru chIIr]
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:23:39 GMT
Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy

In article <1992Dec23.202854.27256@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:

>>>line can be single or multiple syllables [thema vs themangani]. Depending
>>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Wait a minute!
>>	thEmaa is not single syllable. It has two syllables:thE and maa.
>>	It is called Irasaich cheer. thE-maan-kani is moovasaich cheer.
>>	Nowhere can a single syllable ceer can occur except
>>	as the last ceer in a veNpaa [naaL is the formula,
>>	other vaaipaadus being kaasu, malar and piRappu].
>
>
>Gopal! I think U have misunderstood me! correct me if I am wrong. I am not
>giving 'thema' as an example of single syllable word. Normally a word is
>divided to see what cIIr it is and then noting the  sequence of
>such cIIrs, one identifies what kind of verse it is. I agree that thema
>cannot represent single syllablle word.

	Word is not a unit in yaappu! A word can be split between
	two ceers to fulfill the requirements of thaLai. You can
	see this in Kazhagam (TTSSN kazhagam) publications. 
>
>Now to refute U'r statement that no-where a single syllable can occur, I am
>giving here an examble.
>
>"mantira Mavadu nEEru vAnavar mEladu nEEry
>.....
>......
>......
>senduvar vAimai pangan - thiru vAlavA yAAnthiru nEEre"
>
>here 'thiru' in the last line is a single syllable. I will continue later.

The paa you are quoting appears to be a 'aRu ceer viuththam'
The way normally people write this is three ceers of an adi 
in one line and the rest of the three ceers in the next line.
For instance, your last adi is to be written as


	senduvar vAimai pangan
      		thiruvA lavAyAnthiru neeRE.

The you have written shows four ceers in the last line is 
not allowed. Other allowed form of last line :

thiruvAla vAyanthiru neeRE


Now you may see the reason why the puthuk kavithai  
supporters hate marabu. You have to spend too much time
on Yappu. On the other hand if you have a 
natural flow while writing, you will see that
yappu has already set in and all you have to do is
to adust one or two thaLais.


>
>raghavan
>
>----------


gopal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kanth@cse.ogi.edu(Srikanth Meenakshi)
Subject: minnal varigaL - 57
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:15:26 GMT

	"chinna muLLum periya muLLum onRu sErnthu otti koLLa,
				pannirendu maNi adithathu!
	 pazhaiya varusham pOnathingu, puthiya varusham poothathenRu,
				oor muzhukka vedi vedithathu!
	 inbam enbathu ingu vanthathu, thunba naarkaL Odip pOnathu!
	 intha boomi thaan intha naaLilE sorgamaaga maaRip pOnathu!"

	 From "iravu nilavu ulagai ..."

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
<Everything about the mv contest is(thanx to Satish) ready. I will try to post
it today(if our machine is 'up') or I will post it tomorrow. - Srikanth>

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From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: Re: Kazhi-nediladi Aciriya viruttam [padinAru chIIr]
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:09:00 GMT

In article <17709@umd5.umd.edu> gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) writes:
>I>>

>>"mantira Mavadu nEEru vAnavar mEladu nEEry
>>.....
>>......
>>......
>>senduvar vAimai pangan - thiru vAlavA yAAnthiru nEEre"
>>
>>here 'thiru' in the last line is a single syllable. I will continue later.
>
>The paa you are quoting appears to be a 'aRu ceer viuththam'
>The way normally people write this is three ceers of an adi 
>in one line and the rest of the three ceers in the next line.
>For instance, your last adi is to be written as
>
>
>	senduvar vAimai pangan
>      		thiruvA lavAyAnthiru neeRE.
>
>The you have written shows four ceers in the last line is 
>not allowed. Other allowed form of last line :
>
>thiruvAla vAyanthiru neeRE

I guess by this time others in the net might be getting vexed with this
subject title.

What I quoted is vanci viruttam and I quoted that specifically to show some
exceptions which are possible.

A verse can be split in many ways depending on how the  researcher wants 
to identify  and here lies the
driving force for Tamil conferences. One example is the way U split the
lines I quoted.

raghavan
From: chitoor@nori.cis.udel.edu (Srikrishnan R. Chitoor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Thamizha, thamizha, naalai un naale...
Summary: Economic news
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:14:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

Here are a few economic news items relating to TN culled from the hindu.

1] TN clears 29 industrial projects investing a total of
   Rs. 8400 crores (approx. $3 billion). To give an idea
   of the magnitude of the investment, the total economy 
   of TN is $40 billion (this was not in the Hindu).
      The major investment came from 3 power projects set
   up by foreign companies (including some from the US).
      Interestingly, more than 50% of the investors came 
   from outside TN.

2] TN tops the sourthern states in the value of the 
   engineering goods exported ($164 million). In general,
   the other southern states performed pretty bad.
       TN snatches the lead from Karnataka.

-Krishna.
Opinions are mine (News is not :-)).
From: gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Kazhi-nediladi Aciriya viruttam [padinAru chIIr]
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:38:10 GMT
Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy

In article <1992Dec23.040110.520@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu) writes:
>In article <17676@umd5.umd.edu> gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec22.143318.703@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
>
>>>
>>
>
>Achiriyappa grammer goes like this,
>
>........ than thaLai thazhviyum, ayaR thaLai viraviyum .........
>
>Hence, Asiriya thaLai should be the predominant one, but the 
>poem can have other thaLais as well. In that respect, only 
>veNpa is strict about having its own thaLai. 
>
>maa+nEr - nEr onRu AsiriyaththaLai
>viLam+nirai - nirai onRu AsiriyaththaLai
>
>BTW, can someone post the grammer for AsiriyappA

	What you have given is basically the grammar.
	Only two syllable ceers are allowed.
	[thE-maa, puLi-maa, kU-viLam, karu-viLam - does n't
	it sound like algebra?]
		
	There should be a minimum of four lines
	and there is no upper limit to the # of lines.
	Atleast two consecutive lines should have 
	ethukai. More the monai, the better but at least one is expected.
	The last syllable of the poem should
	end with 'E' or 'O'.

	Most sangam poems are in aciriyappa.
	Majority of silappadhikaaram poems are
	in aaciriyappa.


The best example i can think of from silappadikaaram:

	maasaru ponnE valampuri muththE
	kaasaru viraiE karumpE thEnE
...
	malaiyidaip piRavaa maNiyE enkO
	alaiyidaip  piRavaa amizhthE enko
	yaazhidaip piRavAA isaiyE enko
	thaazhirung koonthal thaiyaal ninnai
	...
	
	There are two kinds of aaciriyappas: nErisai aaciriyappaa
	and nilaimandila aaciriappaa. In nErisai aciriyappaa,
	the penultimate line should contain three ceers
	instead of four ceers. In nilaimaNdila acciriyappaa
	all the lines should have four ceers.

	aaciriyappaa is recited with a sound called ahaval
	(the sound made by peacocks). 

>
>Bye,
>Babu

gopal
From: manohar@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Fundamental Questions.
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:47:01 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <kat.724910300@ro>, kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
> In <1992Dec18.192936.1910@msus1.msus.edu> manohar@msus1.msus.edu writes:
> 
>>In article <BzGw2z.82q@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:
>>> Present Caste based reservation (CBR) in Tamil Nadu:
>>> 
>>> 1. Is backward caste synonymous to 'all except Brahmins'? One gets
>>> that impression as opposition is almost uniquely from Brahmins.
>>> 
>>  Sorry for reposting , what I'd wanted to say (and this got cut out from my
>>previous message ) was that other forward castes in TN like Saiva
>>Mudaliar and Karakharthar are numerically too insignificant and their
>>being a minority within the minority of forward castes could be a 
>>reason why they are not as vocal as the brahmins.
> 
>>A.Rammanohar
> 
>>> K. Srinivasan  at Hydro Quebec   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
> 
>   What about a host number of Chettiars and Naaikkars.
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^

   ALL the Naicker students I met in college came under the Backward
   classes category. Except for ver few castes like Natu Ko... chettiar
   all other chettiars also come under the backward castes category
   according to the TN government.

> Kathiravan 

A.Rammanohar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Fundamental Questions.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:31:48 GMT

In article <2B36322E.3651@news.service.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>In article <BzML3J.58y@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>>In article <2B324295.12886@news.service.uci.edu>
>> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>>>
>>>	In Tamil Nadu, Chettiars (Nagaraththar, VaaNiyar, Komutti etc.),
>>>	Balija (both Tamil and Kannada speaking and EVR belongs to the
>>>	later), Kamma, VeLLalas (like Saiva veLLaaLar, veerakkudi,
>>>	vELaaLar etc.), Reddiyars, are few of the non-brahmin upper castes that 
>>>	are forward castes. However, the major opposition seems to be
>>>	always from Brahmins, in spite of having an effective control
>>>	over central government bueracracy, which other castes lack.
>>>
>>Very informative. Thanks.
>>Are mudhaliyaars, naidoos also included in above? Many among them are
>>also in the 'socially high status' people, as well as being well of
>>financially. Are there further 'sub reservations' or simply two
>>divisions, 'forward' and 'backward'? 
>
>	I think (not sure) Sengundha Mudhaliyars/Arcot Mudhaliyars are 
>	forward caste. Naidus, Balija and Kamma, are forward castes.

           I am quite sure that certain Muthaliyaars and PiLLaimaars
           are forward castes. Since there are so many Muthaliyaars
           and PiLLaimaars ( examples of Muthaliyaars: Senkuntham, 
           Arcot, KaikoLa, Thondaimandalam, Madras, ..; examples of
           PiLLaimaars: Karukaaththaars..etc. ). For sure a group
          of Muthaliyaars and PiLLaimaars who claim to be original
          vegetarians like Thondaimandalam Saiva Muthaliyaars and
          the Kaarukaaththaar PiLLaimaars are certainly Forward castes
          and these castes are extreme minorities compared to Brahmins.

[ rest of Sundaramoorthy's response deleted]
>
>>
>>>	M.Sundaramoorthy
>>>	sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
>>
>>
>>KS

         - Selva

>>
>
>	-MS


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From: "Meenakshi S Murali" <p00239@psilink.com>
Subject: thirumurugu aRRuppadai - 1
Organization: Complete Business Solutions Inc.,
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:29:23 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

I am posting the first part again.

ulagam uvappa valan Erpu thritharu
palar pughazh kadal kaNda angu,
O aRa imaikkum sEN viLangu avir oLi,
uRnarth thAngiya madhan udai nOnthAL,
seRunarth thEiththa sel uRazh thadakkai,
maRu il kaRpin vANudhal kaNavan -

kArkOL mugandha kamnjsUl mA mazhai,
vALpOzh visumbil vaL uRai sidhaRi,
thalaip peyal thalaieeya thaN naRunggAnaththu
iruL padap podhuLiya parArai marAaththu
uruL poonthaN thAr puraLum mArbinan -

mAl varai nivantha sEN uyar veRpil
kiNkiNi kavaieeya oN senjcheeradi,
kaNaikkAl, vAngiya nusuppin, paNaith thOL,
kOpaththu anna thOyAp poonthugil,
palkAsu niraiththa silkAzh alkul,
kaipunainthu eyaRRAk kavin peru vanappin,
navolodu peyariya polam punai avir izhai
sEN igantthu viLangum seyir theer mEni -

				... To be Continued
From: sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: RAgam identification
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:17:08 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

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Subject: Re: RAgam identification.
From: desikan@bucknell.edu (sridhar desikan)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 22:27:41 GMT
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In article <1992Dec29.140344.62324@cc.usu.edu>, sl9z5@cc.usu.edu writes:
|> Vanakkam,
|> 
|> 	"Puththam pudhu Poo pooththadho, ennangalil then vArthadho,
|> 	"muththam ida nAlanadho, solladi en sellakkiliye"
|> 
|> 	"Thalapathi" yil idamperum indha paattu endha rAgaththil 
|> 	amaindhirukkiradhu endru evaraenum koora mudiyuma?
|> 
|> 
|> Nandri,
|> Murali Seetharaman,
|> Utah State Uty,
|> Logan UT-84322.


>Mudiyadhu

>desikan

En mudiyAthu?
Unakkum theriyAthA?
I do not know the rAgam of that song and am  
curious to know it. That was the intention of
my posting. It was not to test the subscribers' knowledge in this regard.

Sorry if I had hurt anyone's feelings.

Nandri,
Murali Seetharaman,.
Utah State Uty,
Logan,
UT-84322.
 

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From: shivakl@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (LAKSHMANAN SHIVAKUMAR)
Subject: Indian Stock Markets
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:13:00 GMT

I am a Phd student in Finance interested in knowing about
the market structure of Indian stock markets.  If someone in
the net is researching on the Indian stock markets (especially
Madras and Bombay exchanges) could you please inform me of how
these stock markets are organized?  Also, are there markets in
India for Futures/Options? 

Thanking in advance,
Regards,
Shivakumar
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 52
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:50:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47755
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR



       "sendhaNalil oLi eduththu,
       	sandhanaththil kuLir koduththu,
   	pon thagattil vaarththu vaiththa, peNNudalai ennavenbEn !!"

	From "Nilavu oru peNNaagi, ulavugindra azhagO"

	Contributed by S.Periyasamy.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
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From: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: NEWS: Temple for Kushboo in Tiruchi
Reply-To: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:26:52 GMT


In a previous article, ipandian@vax1.umkc.edu () says:

>In article <samaddar.724974625@dumbo>, samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar) writes:
>> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>> 
>
>>>    I heard that a temple for Kushboo is under construction
>
>Guys are you sure this news is authentic ?. I am from Trichy, if this news is
>authentic shame all on those people who are engineering this disgusting idea. I
>think i should forget calling myself a trichian.
>
     I have received some e-mails also from Seetamraju and Venkatachalam
Aruna asking me whether the news item I posted was a joke. 

     Here is some reference. 
  
 From : "The Illustrated Weekly of India" [ Dec 5-11, 92]
 Section: "Here & Now' [Page 2]

                  Do We Smell a CM ?
                ----------------------
    Jayalalitha has got competition, and no, it's not Narasimha
Rao. It's Khushboo, Bollywood's confirmed flop. This year, she
shifted base to Madras and became a success. The Tamilians took
to her and, as is their normal practice, built a temple for her.
The first temple now under construction will come up in Tiruchi,
and is called Kushambigal Devalayam. The Devalayam will be
completed in January, say the trustees of the temple. The trustees
are of the opinion that humans should be grateful that they can
atleast breathe in the air Kushambigal breathes out. If ever
Kushambigal goes breathless, there would be hell to pay........
....So young and so popular. And, a chief minister of the future?
-- 
pax vobiscum,
sundara pandian
ah724@yfn.ysu.edu

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From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: Kazhi-nediladi Aciriya viruttam [padinAru chIIr]
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:33:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.220900.28760@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
>In article <17709@umd5.umd.edu> gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) writes:
>>I>>
>
>>>"mantira Mavadu nEEru vAnavar mEladu nEEry
>>>.....
>>>......
>>>......
>>>senduvar vAimai pangan - thiru vAlavA yAAnthiru nEEre"
>>>
>>>here 'thiru' in the last line is a single syllable. I will continue later.
>>
>>The paa you are quoting appears to be a 'aRu ceer viuththam'
>>The way normally people write this is three ceers of an adi 
>>in one line and the rest of the three ceers in the next line.
>>For instance, your last adi is to be written as
>>
>>
>>	senduvar vAimai pangan
>>      		thiruvA lavAyAnthiru neeRE.
>>
>>The you have written shows four ceers in the last line is 
>>not allowed. Other allowed form of last line :
>>
>>thiruvAla vAyanthiru neeRE
>
>I guess by this time others in the net might be getting vexed with this
>subject title.

NOPE. Please do not stop this "sense".
I'm following this 'debate' closely, and it is interesting.
Well, I'm imbibing more information thru this thread, for sure.
I also remember A.P.Nagaraja's dialogue "..sollil kuRRamillai,
irundhaalum mannikkap padalaam, poruLil thaan kuRRam.."

S_Bala
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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 58
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:03:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47892
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

<A Correction : minnal varigaL - 57 was contributed by Satish. I got
to read his mail only today.>

	"vaanilE mEdai amaindhathu, aanandha vaalibath thiruvizhaa!
  	mEniyil naaNam akanRadhu, mEgaththin thErinil oorvalam!
  	aagaayaththil boogambam! aRpudhankaL aarambam!! "
	
	From  "Sayanora, vEsham kalaindhathu.."

	Contributed by  Kanmani

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: divaka@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Re: parallel proverbs!
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:44:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.160716.19893@news.ysu.edu>, ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
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|> In a previous article, meena@top.cis.syr.edu (Meena Arunachalam) says:
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|> >I am not sure if these have already been posted by someone.
|> >Here I go anyway,
|> >
|> >Tamil : Makkal sevai mahadevan sevai.
|> >Hindi : Nar ki seva narayan ki seva.
|> >
|> >Tamil : Nirai kudam thalumbaathu; kurai kudam thalumbum.
|> >English: Empty vessels make much noise.
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|>  Hindi: jO garajtE hain, vE barastE nahin.
Also: Hindi: Thotha Chana Baje Ghana. 
             Adh Jal Gagri Chhalkat jaye.
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|> >
|> >-meena
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|> -- 
|> pax vobiscum,
|> sundara pandian
|> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu
|>