From: nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: _PV_ According to Jon
Date: 18 Nov 1992 23:36:25 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <RNaeuB5w165w@throb.mcws.fidonet.org> hardman@throb.mcws.fidonet.org (Bill Hardman) writes:
>ph36@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Nov15.041703.24772@lds-az.loral.com> jerry@lds-az.loral.com
>> (J Barbera) writes:
>
>> >As far as the equation debate: it was my impression when I first read it tha
>> >it dealt more with abstract concept *relevancies* than plugging in numbers.
>> >That is, the relation between the parts of the equation to each other and
>> >the other overall.
>> 
>> 	That's silly for two reasons(that I can think of off hand):
>> 
>> 	1.  IF the equation (PV=I*D^x) dealt with abstract concepts
>> then why bother creating an equation for them?  And how could the equation
>> be experimentally tested?  Would Ron just heave some letters together
>> and say "here ya go! This is the way it is!".  Not even theorists(physics)
>> do that!  What about all those years Ron spent testing his ideas?

>The answer to that question, Richard, would be did LRH say that you
>"can" determine the PV, or "may" determine the PV?  What would the
>implications of interchanging those words have?

	I'm wondering, Bill, if you learned english in the same place
you learned algebra?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you trying to ask
what would be implied if LRH replaced "may" with "can" in his description 
of the PV equation?

	Well let's see *exactly* what LRH implied with his description
in his _own_ words, taken directly out of the book "Dianetics:A Handbook
of Dianetics(R) Procedure":
(NB: 	words surrounded by "_"'s are italicised
	the "^" means rasied to the power of)

	"The _potential value_ of an individual or a group may
	 be expressed by the equation

			PV = ID^x

	where I is the Intelligence and D is the Dynamic."
	L Ron Hubbard,"Dianetics:A Handbook of Dianetics(R) Procedure";
	Bridge publications:1991.   page 57.

O.K. LRH says the PV of an "individual or group MAY be expressed...". 
This implies to ME that LRH is claiming that if you stick the relavent
numbers into the equation describing the [I]ntelligence, the [D]ynamic
and the [x](?) of a person or a group you will get a number back that
represents the PV, or Potential Value of that person or group.  

There ya go.


	And incedently, it seems as though, in an attempt to save 
face, Bill has done some more "selective editing".  So I will
repose the second part of my statement just for him!


The second reason I gave for the equation NOT being an attempt by LRH
to deal "...more with abstract concept *relevancies* than plugging in 
numbers." WAS

Bill Hardman claims that he has(and I quote)

	"observed over 500 people with a simple high school
	 education work the equation to their complete understanding".

But Bill, Jonathon thinks that the equation isn't workable!  That would
mean that what you said was a (ahem) "crock of shit"!  Say it ain't
so, Bill.  Say it ain't so!!!





>Bill Hardman
>If you don't have anything nice to say....Say something Rude!!!!

	Every time I respond to something Bill says, my ARC goes
sky high!



Richard Nistuk
nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca

ps.  Bill I will be reposting that article you missed, so if
your news reader doesn't catch it.  Give me a holler.

pps.  My wife thinks I'm being too mean to Bill.  Should I stop?