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From: jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Trident vs. Tseng speed difference?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:07:37 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: University of Helsinki

I'd like to know the figures: BIOS and direct data transfer speeds for a
Tseng based card ( like CheckIt 3 or similar benchmark results ). I
currently have a Trident and would like to know whether it's worth the
trouble to upgrade to a Tseng... Anyone seen the actual difference in
Windows or OS/2?

Replies via e-mail ( I suppose this has already been discussed here
before, so no public interest... ), thanks.
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From: pdg@crosfield.co.uk (paul goffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Help - Cyrix processors, anyone know for sure?
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:51:28 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

I've tried to ask this before and got no replies.

Does anyone _know_ for _certain_ if the
new Cyrix processors are "plug-in" replacements
for the Intel 80386 devices or not?

Or are PC motherboard changes needed?

I know there are at least two Cyrix chips
around, both offering 80486SX instruction
sets and approx. performance, and that
one is a bit like a 80386SX (pinout wise)
and the other is a bit like a 80386DX.

But, to repeat the question, does anyone know
if they can be dropped into an unmodifed 80386
PC motherboard?  If they can, has anyone out
there done it?  Is there a gain in performance?

Please, if you _know_ this for certain, post to
the net as I'm sure others would like to know.

Thanks in advance.

Paul
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: robin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Robin Amano)
Subject: Re: Lap Link Serial And Parallel Pin-outs
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.200059.9461@csx.cciw.ca> u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.231701.20520@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19240898X@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MINNELLI, DAVID) writes:
>>
>>
>>To Lap-Link Users,
>>
>>		Could someone please post the pin-outs for the serial and
>>parallel lap-link cables. (I will be using Lap Link 3).

I got this over the net a while back.  I don't know if it's correct
but here it is:

The wiring diagram for a LapLink III Parallel-to-parallel cable is:

DB25M         DB25M
2  ---------- 15
15 ---------- 2
3  ---------- 13
13 ---------- 3
4  ---------- 12
12 ---------- 4
5  ---------- 10
10 ---------- 5
6  ---------- 11
11 ---------- 6
25 ---------- 25 (ground)

Hope it helps.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: george@lloyd.Camex.COM (George Pagan)
Subject: Help with WD card
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:18:53 EDT

Can anyone give me the specs on the following HD/Floppy card.

Model Western Digital WD1003V-MM2
MFM? RLL? IDE? Jumpers settings?

Thank you.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: burkert1@platon.fmi.uni-passau.de (Klaus Burkert)
Subject: Mode-Settings for 24bit-ET4000?
Organization: University of Passau, W-Germany
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:08:12 GMT

Hello out there!
I've a problem with a no-name true-color-tseng board, I haven't been
able to switch this thing into the 24bit-mode.

Accessing the palette (AT&T 20c491) is no problem even switching it to
true color works.
But I have no setup up or drivers to set the Tseng into the appropriate mode,
and I haven't found a doc on true-color BIOS-extensions yet.

So please if someone own such a board (for example the Speedstar 24) and
if he/she is able to set this board into true-color-mode, would you please
perform a full register-dump (TS[0..7], GDC[0..8], CRTC[0..18,31..37],
ATC[0..17] and MiscOut) and send me the info?
Hopefully I can figure out how to set up my board then...
please respond via mail, since I don't read this group regulary...

Ciao, Klaus.

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Brandweg 11          voice: +49-851/83993 (only pm please)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dchou@NCoast.ORG (David Chou)
Subject: Re: Dell experience?
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:06:49 GMT

We have bought around 30 Dells over the last 6 months and have had minimum
problems.  Two motherboards were returned (rapidly and without questions)
after (probably) a bad network card did its thing.  We have also had a bad
Mitshibushi monitor dead on arrival out of the batch.  Other than that, the
machines have been a delight to install and use.  By the way, these machines
have been various versions of the small footprint desktops, including the
320SX, 325SX, and 333DX.  Originally we bought the 320SX's, but the prices
kept dropping and the models kept being upgraded by Dell over the time with
and without our knowledge.  We did not complain.

We have also bought around 5 486/50DX Gateways.  Although the machines are
basically sound, we have had a higher failure rate (2 out of 5) and the
machines had enough differences in the hardware to make installation of
software more difficult, especially in disk controllers and video cards.
Gateway is also less responsive on the telephone support (more waiting, etc)
than Dell.  However, you really do have trouble beating their prices.

Dave Chou

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: tedc@ee.ubc.ca (ted chen)
Subject: Re: Soundcard
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:44:05 GMT

In article <SE05PDE@hact.hact.de> andreas@andreas.hact.de (Andreas Kesenheimer) writes:
>Hi out there,
>
>two weeks ago I posted an article in this newsgroup, where I asked
>for somebody to tell me his/her expieriences about a soundcard.
>
>Yet I didn't get any reply - so, is it such uninteresting stuff
>or "can anyone hear me" or why am I feeling so alone...
>
>Still I' looking to get *any* exieriences of interest with soundcards,
>programming tools, MIDI-software etc. by e-mail.
>
>So world, join your local musician
>
>	Andreas
>
>-- 
>Disclaimer 
>Andreas Kesenheimer
>Internet: andreas@hact.hact.de

Try comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.

Ted

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Subject: Re: Hand held scanners, 64 color greyscale, 400 dpi
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:46:16 GMT

baillod@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Brad Baillod) writes:

>My brother is looking to buy one of these scanners, and it's my
>understanding that handheld scanners vary quite a bit in quality.
>His primary goal is to scan graphics in, although maybe some text,
>and he feels that the above specifications are all he needs.  So
>I told him I'd ask about scanners at the Fount of Eternal Wisdom
>(Usenet, for those of you who didn't recognize the description).
>Can anyone recommend a good but economical scanner with at least
>the above specifications?

A couple of weeks ago I bought a Marstek 4096 colour scanner.
It was 598,- DM (approx. 400 US$, but hardware is generally more expensive
over here, so might be cheaper where you are).

It reads 4096 colour values in 200 dpi or 64 grey values in 400 dpi maximum,
and it also has a text and 'dithered colour' mode (the latter, I don't see any
use in). The software included isn't for windows, unfortunately, and I had
some trouble installing it. One simple scanning programme, one that scans
and enhances, and an OCR software.

Don't expect any miracles of its quality, but it's better than I had expected.
I use the colour mode most of the time, for generating gifs and backgrounds
for my desktop. As gif supports 256 colours only (and so do most VGAs), 4096
values isn't too little. You best overdo the results with some other enhancing
software (Photostyler isn't bad). The scan results from good originals come
out brilliantly (except for some noise generated by the scanner that results in
little green and blue spots). You have to move your scanner slowly and evenly,
so some patience is necessary :).

The Logi Scanman retails at the same price here. It comes with windows
compatible software and supports 256 grey values, with less noise probably (?).
But no colour, and that's what I want :)

>Brad Baillod						baillod@eecs.umich.edu

Wolfgang

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: drc@swlrdh.msd.ray.com (DAVID CASA)
Subject: GHOST S3 video board
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:06:09 GMT

	Hello netters, I recently bought a local bus system from
ROYAL (and would NOT recomend them) which had a GHOST S3 local bus
video board, supposedly VESA compatible.  I recently bought links 386
and discovered that the bourd was NOT vesa compatible.  The bios
version on my board was 1.6.  I call S3 (because Royal was no help and
I didn't know the number for GHOST) and they said to replace the bios with
version 1.8.  I called Royal and they finally shipped me the newer bios
and everything works great.  The reason I posted was because I figure
I was not the only person who had this problem.  To test for vesa
compatibility you can snag vesatest.zip off of most BBS's.

						Dave


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|      Raytheon Co,     Missile Systems Division, Tewksbury, Mass. 01876    |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 14.4k Rockwell Chips (any problems?)
From: eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:18:37 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


I thought that I had heard of a design bug/problem with the Rockwell chipsets
which are used in all of the cheap 14.4k modems out now.  Was the problem with
the chipset or with the supporting chips supplied by various modem
manufacturers (do ALL 14.4k modems suffer or just brands X & Y?).  In either
case, has this problem been addressed/fixed?

I also welcome any and all recommendations for 14.4k modems.

Thanks for any info.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: bp112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven C. Lin)
Subject: Re: VESA local bus -- A big deal?!
Reply-To: bp112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven C. Lin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 16:29:28 GMT


In a previous article, gilem@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) says:

>My problem now is, what's the big deal about local bus.  I have
>seen some benchmarks recently from local bus vs. coprocessed
>video (both S3 chipsets) which shows only minimal gains (1-2%). 
>This is hardly noticable, nor is it worth the extra cost of local
>bus now. (is the S3 built around the 8MHz ISA bus?)  Since I am
>      Has anyone seen better improvements than this, because I am
>not impressed!
>
>                                      - Mike Gile (gilem@rpi.edu)
>
Well, as far as I know, the VESA standard for local bus is very new, since
my July PC magazine says that it is not finalized yet, I would assume that
the standard became official sometime in July or August?  which means that
any benchmarks or reviews of local bus systems you may have read in
magazines are probably using a proprietary bus system, not the VESA
standard.  In addition to not being compatible with VESA, I would assume
that not all of these proprietary systems are up to par with the VESA
performance!

Steve Lin
bp112@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps
From: kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
Subject: Re: Spell Checker Needed (PD/Shareware preferred)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:45:19 GMT

chrisb@hubcap.clemson.edu (Chris Behrens) writes:

>I know this has been asked before.  I need one that is a stand-alone
>application to check standard ASCII text files.  (Would _like_ it
>to be able to "learn" new words, but that is minor.)
>Thank You.

Spell Checker? ... My favorite is ShareSpell ... You can get it (ss23.zip)
by anonymous ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu (in /mirrors/msdos/txtutl) or
oak.oakland.edu (in /pub/msdos/txtutl) ...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: gerten@jura.informatik.uni-kl.de
Subject: re: PS/2 Model 70/121 Questions
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Reply-To: gerten@informatik.uni-kl.de
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.221340.1510@philmtl.philips.ca> genrad@philmtl.philips.ca (Genrad) writes:>
>	I would like to know about the P2/2 model 70-121 memory. Specifically,
>does this machine take the 72 pin, 36 Bit wide SIMM modules that are becoming
>more commonly available. I a loking to increase the ram on one of these machines, and would like to know if this is a good way of doing this. Also,
>form what I have been told, this machine can only take up to 6MB of memory on
>board. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

The 70-121 works (on the motherboard) ONLY with 1 and 2 MB 36 bit wide SIMMS. You can have
a maximum of 6 MB on the motherboard, more has to be done with a mem expansion board :-(.
But you don't have to buy IBM ones, compatibles are ok too (for ex. Kingston etc.).

>
>				
>					Regards,
>					K. Kritisilas  

Greetings.
Rainer Gerten
University of Kaiserslautern
Department of Computer Science
W-6750 Kaiserslautern
Germany
mail: gerten@informatik.uni-kl.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com (Mike Kincer)
Subject: Re: Upgrade PS/2 to a "Cray-like" performance
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:06:36 GMT
Reply-To: kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com (Mike Kincer)
Organization: IBM FSC Owego

In article <BszF6F.yK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, shair@barolo.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob
Shair) writes:
|> 
|> Well, I AM in sales, and since my customer (U of Ill) has asked,
|> it's priced at $32,500.  
|> 
|> DESCRIPTION: W4 provides 4 I860 processors capable of operating in   
|> symmetric, shared-memory mode from 32MB of on-board main memory.
|> In addition, the adapter card contains 2MB of Video RAM and an
|> integrated display controller. A programmable timer function is also 
|> available. User documentation and diagnostics are included.          
|> 
|> Is that overpriced?  Depends on whether you need what it does.
|> 
|> --
|> 
|> Bob Shair                          shair@chgvmic1.vnet.ibm.com
|> Scientific Computing Specialist    SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet)
|> IBM Champaign

When did you check last?  I think you should check again.
The last I knew, the price was under $20,000.  In any case, there is much room
for negotiation for serious buyers, that much is true.

Mike                              __  __o         /
Kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com       __   \<,        /
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Discount dealers/mailorder for PS/2s
From: Peter J. Natali <MBAPN@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:52:56 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

Folks:

  Can anyone recommend discount dealers or mail order houses that are
authorized IBM PS/2 dealers?  I'm located in the Philadelphia area but
I'm not about to be choosy on this.  I'm specifically interested in
companies that offer new (not used) equipment.


Pete Natali

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: ychung@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Young Chung)
Subject: Re: For Sale: ATI Advantage/2 w. 512K
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:22:57 GMT

In article <Bsvs99.21r@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ychung@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Young Chung) writes:
>I'm posting this for my friend.
>As the subject says, it's an ATI Advantage/2 memory expansion board for
>PS/2 50 & 70 (I think) with 512K (expandable to 16MB).
>I have absolutely no idea how much the board is worth so any feedback is
>welcome and I guess the price of the board would be the best offer I get.
>The card has never been used and is still in its original vaccum sealed box.
>
>Please e-mail me since I don't follow this newsgroup.
>

Sorry, I made a mistake.  It's not ATI but AST Advantage/2.

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From: dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Danny M Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: Motherboards which fit into a PS/2 box?
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:20:54 GMT
Reply-To: dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Danny M Lee)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Aug12.192959.2722@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> sabrom@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (Seth Bromberger) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.124822.14307@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, 
>dml7@navaho.uucp (25635-lee) writes:
>|> 
>|> is that a wise thing to do?  even so, are there people that are
>|> willing to sell a model 70 motherboard?  how much does ps/2
>|> motherboards go for anyways?  where would you get them?
>|> 
>
>Yeah, I guess that's the problem.  IBM's prices on MBs are the same as a
>complete (non-IBM) system would cost, INCLUDING HD and monitor.  I was 
>actually interested in 1) whether I could get a non-IBM MB to fit in the box 
>and 2) how much of my present system I would have to trash to get the thing to
>work.  This was to help me make a decision about whether to sell the 50Z 
>outright or attempt this upgrade and possibly sell the incompatible parts.

well, it'll depend on what you want to upgrade to?  you know, there are a lot
of upgrade options available for ps/2s, starting from as low as 386sx/20 to
as high as 486/33.  i also have a 50z, but plan to upgrade it to a
486sx/25 soon ... maybe even a 486dx/33.

for those of you who have been following my postings regarding ps/2 upgrades,
i've called bsd again yesterday and found out 3 things :

   1. the aox micromaster 486sx/25 is now $997 instead of $942
   2. the aox micromaster 486dx/25 is not sold anymore
   3. the aox micromaster 486dx/33 is now $<something ... i forgot>, but is
      lower than $1833 i said last week

i've called aox and someone told me that the 486dx/25 was discontinued.  they
only make the 486sx/25 and 486dx/33.

would anybody happen to know whether the new intel 486/66 chip will work on
the 486dx/33 aox board?

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 /   Lee     /   dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu    /
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: mrhagger@athena.mit.edu (Michael R Haggerty)
Subject: Trade my SCSI+ctrlr for your IDE hard drive
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:46:31 GMT

I have a Seagate ST1096N 84M SCSI hard drive and a MicroChannel
Future Domain SCSI hard disk controller which I don't need anymore.
It was used in my PS/2 Model 50, mounted in the floppy drive B: bay.
With this approach, you can continue to use your original hard drive
where it is as C:, and this one becomes D:.  Both are less than 2
years old and are in perfect condition, with original packaging,
documentation, and disks.

In return, I will take the best offer of either cash, or
a comparable IDE hard drive (I have a controller already) for my
new computer.

This is a very cost-effective way to add hard disk space to 
a Model 50, or probably other models as well.

Please email...
Michael
mrhagger@athena.mit.edu
From: hhaas@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Harry P. Haas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: Upgrade PS/2 to a "Cray-like" performance
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:35:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <1992Aug13.201555.21815@watson.ibm.com> kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>I'm not in sales or marketing but thought some might be
>Interested in upgrading a PS/2 model 70 or 80 to a HIGH performing
>workstation?  320 MFLOPS potential (100 MFLOPS sustained) with a W4
>4 x i860 processor card available for 32-bit microchannel slots.

It's about time.  I've been hearing of this arrival for a while. Of
course, porting AIX to a 4x860 board is probably no small task.  But
then again, it's just software . . .  :=)

We were using the Microway i860 card on an ISA machine about a year ago.  Max
possible improvement was calculated at around 40:1, but actual measured
improvement was in the range of 10:1 to 20:1.  Not too bad.  It really help
our processing.  Calculations included many FFTs and was written in C.  I
suppose DOS merge won't be a problem, either. But . . 

Our single 860 board with 32 MB RAM cost around 8K WITH our ed. discount.
I can just imagine what a 4x860 would cost you from IBM . . . 

Need Beat testers????

>Mike                              __  __o         /

hh
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: sabrom@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (Seth Bromberger)
Subject: Re: Motherboards which fit into a PS/2 box?
Reply-To: sabrom@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (Seth Bromberger)
Organization: CEBAF (Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.124822.14307@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, 
dml7@navaho.uucp (25635-lee) writes:
|> 
|> is that a wise thing to do?  even so, are there people that are
|> willing to sell a model 70 motherboard?  how much does ps/2
|> motherboards go for anyways?  where would you get them?
|> 
|>    /----------------------------------------------
|>   /   Danny   /   dml7@navaho.cc.bellcore.com   /
|>  /   Lee     /   dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu    /
|> ----------------------------------------------/
|> 

Yeah, I guess that's the problem.  IBM's prices on MBs are the same as a
complete (non-IBM) system would cost, INCLUDING HD and monitor.  I was 
actually interested in 1) whether I could get a non-IBM MB to fit in the box 
and 2) how much of my present system I would have to trash to get the thing to
work.  This was to help me make a decision about whether to sell the 50Z 
outright or attempt this upgrade and possibly sell the incompatible parts.

Seth Bromberger
sabrom@cebaf.gov

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