From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:45:04 -0500
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In article <1992Nov18.192713.16973@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, njamil@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nasir Jamil) writes:
> In article <1ee3e0INNqg4@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

> >Um, Yasmin, how many ways can you interpret the following:
> >
> >    O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH
> >    WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my
> >    words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN
> >    and my example, the SUNNAH, and if you follow these you will never go
> >    astray.
> 
> and Shakil: How do you interpret the following Hadith of the Holy Prophet
> Muhammad (pboh)?

Some people really don't know their history too well...  Oh well, here
goes:

> 	If my son Ibrahim had lived, he would have been a TRUE
>       PROPHET.

Ibrahim was the son of Muhammed (pbuh) born to Maria Kufti, the coptic
wife of Muhammad (SAWS).  This quote comes from a sahih hadith.  The
complete story is as following:  If Ibrahim had not died, Muhammad
(pbuh) could have asked Allah to grant him prophethood.  We simply do
not know whether Allah would have granted him that or not, because
Ibrahim died.  After the verse 33:40 about Muhammed (pbuh) being the
khatem-un-Nabiin was recited, he would not have uttered this phrase.
The fact of the matter is that the prophet was very saddened that his
only son died -- he wanted his son to survive him, but it was simply
not to be.  It was a blessing in disguise for if the prophet had
said that during Ibrahim's lifetime (but before 33:40 was revealed),
people would have misinterpreted it and started treating Ibrahim as a
prophet.  Allah simply did not allow this to happen.

> and this one:
> 
> 	Abu Bakar is the best among you unless their is a PROPHET.

This is misquoted.  What the prophet is reported to have said is that
if there were any chance of anyone becoming a Prophet after Muhammed
(pbuh), it would have been Umar (R), merely because he had such a
resolute character.  But there was no prophet to come after him, so
Umar wasn't going to be one!  That was the whole point!  As far as Abu
Bakr goes, the prophet (pbuh) praised his iman, saying that if he had
to take a friend in this world (other than Allah), he would take Abu
Bakr.

There are lots and lots of hadiths which clearly state that Muhammed
(pbuh) was the last prophet.  I suggest you take a close look at them.
One of the first major collections of hadith were done by Imam Malik
in his book, al-Muwatta.  In that it is clearly stated that Muhammed
is the Last of the Prophets/Rasuls.  In the Bukhari, Muslim and all
other sahih collections of hadith, it is very clearly stated.

I quote from Abu-Daud, at-Tirmizi, Sahib ibn-Hibban, Fateh-ul-Bari:
"Verily 30 imposters will appear in my Ummah and each one of them will
claim to be a prophet, though I am the LAST of all Prophets and there
will be NO Prophet AFTER me."  These are the clear and explicit
hadiths and I recommend that you look at them.

> and the one where Prophet Muhammad (pboh) called the Promised Messiah
> the NABIULLAH (Prophet of Allah) four times in same hadith.

I don't know of this one.  And I asked some other people who also
don't recognize it.  Can you please give the exact reference?  In the
Qur'an "Messiah" (al-masih, meaning one who is anointed by precious
oils, e.g., kings, prophets) refers to Eesa (pbuh).  Muslims expect
his return to eliminate al-Masih (the false Messiah) ad-Dazzal
al-Kazzab.  This is also clearly stated in the hadith.  Easa is a
Nabiullah, just like other prophets, but the whole point (and I have
said this before) is that when he returns, he will return not as a
prophet, but with a specific function, with no further revelations
from God.  The whole process of revelation ended with Muhammed (pbuh).
When Eesa returns, he will follow the shariah of Islam.

-- Shakil
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