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From: tvega@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Tomas Vega Information & Computer Science)
Subject: Re: Northwest, Bankruptcy, Freq Flyer Coupons
In-reply-to: Your message of 12 Dec 92 16:02:32 +0000.
             <1992Dec12.160232.7435@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:43:46 GMT

> What happens to the value of Northwest Frequent Flyer Coupons (?
> FlyWrite tickets or something like that) if Northwest goes under?
> Would another airline honor them?  Would NW continue to accept them
> while they restructure?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Daniel.W.Collison@dartmouth.edu

	Many companies have different ways of resolving their issues but
usually the company that buys or takes over a company will honor the FF
vouchers but at a lesser value. I had a Pan Am world pass which gave me
the oppurtunity to go to South America, Europe, or Africa and Delta did
give me the option to use it on face value but only to destinations that had
routes bought by Pan Am. But since they didn't buy the south american, which
was where I wanted to go, I didn't use it. After 4 months the ticket wasn't
valid anymore but if I redeposited it I would get the miles on the ticket on
to my Delta FF. But that was no benefit to me because Delta has such high
award values that the award from Pan Am which I could go anywhere on Delta
I couldn't even go on a Domestic Flight! So just a little story I thought
I would share with you.

Greetings.

Tomas Vega                                 Information & Computer Science
Undergraduate                                        U C Irvine

send e-mail to: tvega@bonnie.ics.uci.edu or easu206@orion.oac.uci.edu






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From: gei058@cch.coventry.ac.uk (/\/\anc)
Subject: Re: need CHEAP European airfare
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:45:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.232846.22622@ms.uky.edu> serich00@nx34.mik.uky.edu (stephen e richardson) writes:
>Greetings Folks..
>
>I am in need of a cheap air ticket from Luxembourg or Brussels to London  
>or somewhere in northern England.  I've checked with a travel agent, and  
>everything I've been quoted was just outrageous.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Steve
>
>(anyone know if British midland, or whatever they're called, has an office  
>here in the states?)

To the best of my knowledge British Midland have not got an office in the 
States but if you email me I will try and get hold of a 'phone/fax number in
the UK and also a timetable for you. I do know that BD do fly from BRU to 
BHX and EMA but I dont know fares and times off the top of my head

Cheers

Alan

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: A new newsgroup
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 05:23:48 GMT

sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.020143.2825@athena.mit.edu> zzkaru@athena.mit.edu (Zoher Z Karu) writes:
>>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>     Wouldn't it be nice to have a new newsgroup called something like
>>rec.travel.air.announce?  The purpose would be for users to place critical
>>announcements relating to air travel that would be of use to all, rather than
>>having to wade through the several hundred messages that seem to appear every
>>week on this group.  Some examples:

>I support this idea...  It is very beneficial to everyone...

I would have to disagree.  Many people would consider that things are an
announcement when they are not.  You would have to have a moderated group
ou or maybe you would get TONS of cross posted messages.  Also, people mightt
thing that their "announcement" of a ticket from Albany to Orlando is
an announcement for rec.travel.air.announcements and also rec.travel.aid (er air) for those peple don't read rec.travel.air.acnnouncements and also on rec.travel marketplace.. This would bne a waste of time and space (disck and other).,
Why don't we splt rec.travel air into-

r.t.a.announcements
r.t.a.aircraft
r.t.a.airlines
r.t.a.schedules
r.t.a.questions
r.t.a.Europe
rt.t.a.USA
r.t.a.Asia
r.t.a.Africa
r.t.a.Prices
r.t.a.routes

and so on... I vote to keep tne continuity of rec.travel.air

-Noah Cole
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Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program ??
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:22:42 GMT

kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) wrote: 
->Which raises a question I've been meaning to ask: does it take much 
->longer to fly to India through Europe (fly east from the U.S.) as opposed
->to flying to India through Asia (fly west from the U.S.) ??

who cares?  you could layover in amsterdam for a day or a week (!!)
... that'd be fun :)

seriously: i know that singapore has been flying to asia from the north
american east coast via europe for a few months now ... a few hours are
shaved off flight time (when added to the hour or more you might have
to spend waiting for your flight out of LAX, the savings is probably
significant).

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From: jeanmarc@Ingres.COM (Jean-Marc Fortier)
Subject: Re: What is Elite status on Continental "worth"?
Reply-To: jeanmarc@squid.ingres.com (Jean-Marc Fortier)
Organization: Ingres, The ASK Group
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:41:35 GMT

	
	At the bronze level, you get the following benefits (these
	are the ones that I remember and that are a few more)

	- 50% mileage bonus

	- Check in with First Class Passenger

	- Pre Boarding with First Class Passenger

	- If you request pre-seating (request seat when you
	reserve and/or buy your ticket) Elite members get 
	seated in the first few rows of the coach cabin.

	- Every 10000 miles flown you receive a confirmed upgrade
	certificate

	- Priority luggage tags for checked luggage (like First
	Class)

	.... and a few more things.

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: UAL #918 from IAD to LHR Question
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:55:53 GMT

KB> == Keith Barr <barrk@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>

 KB> I assume that since no specific type is mentionoed for either it means
 KB> that I could have a 747-200 or -400...is this a correct assumption?

Usually the -400s are coded as '744'.  This is not, however, universal (I
don't know if UAL makes this distinction in their schedule or not; NWA
does, for one.  Karl, you fly UAL often... :)

I'd say expect a -200, be pleasantly surprised if you get a -400.
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From: llew@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Lok C. Lew Yan Voon)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Northwest Airlines
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:20:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


it's in the news - last week, i think - that nw just got
some refinancing - or whatever it is called - in time to
avoid filing for bankrupcy. so at least for now, we're safe.

i think the next deadline will be in the spring but don't
take my word for it.
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Fares when death in family
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:09:22
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: fineberg@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov's message of Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:56:15 GMT


jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold) writes:
> |> You can purchase the ticket for $600.  With USAir, they also take the name
> |> of the deceased and the name of the funeral home for verification.  (Which
> |> begs the question: if you are travelling to East Overshoe, what is to
> |> prevent one from calling a funeral home in East Overshoe and find out the
> |> name of whoever is there this week?  Now I'm not suggesting....)

fineberg@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg) said:
> My guess is they don't even check.  As with mos things, if your story is
> consistant, and they don't have too many abuses, they won't bother checking.
> Of course, if everyone did this, they would probably stop letting people
> use it legitimately before they would start checking everyone's story.

Most airlines used to allow you to change a ticket for no charge if you
had a doctor's note saying that you were unable to travel.  USAir stopped
this practice, in June I believe, when they decided that too many people
were using it.  There were also allegations that a large number of travel
agents had Doctor's letterheads saved in their computers for last minute
changes their clients may need.

When I had to change a flight due to illness, my doctor's note wasn't
even checked...

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From: ken@point.b17d.ingr.com (Ken Poore)
Subject: Re: UAL #918 from IAD to LHR Question
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:28:11 GMT

barrk@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Keith Barr) writes:

>Hey there everyone,
>     I am traveling on UAL fl. 918 from IAD to LHR in February, and I was
>wondering what type of equipment is used on that flight.  OAG says 747,
>and UAL says the same.  Has anyone been on that flight, and noticed if it
>was a -200, or a -400?  The same question applies to flight 919 from LHR
>to IAD.  I assume that since no specific type is mentionoed for either it
>means that I could have a 747-200 or -400...is this a correct assumption?

If flight 919 is the return of flight 918, then it'll be a 747-200 (overwater).
I just flew 900 (IAD - JFK - LHR on a 767 o/w) and returned on 919 LHR-IAD
on the big one (747-200).  

>     Thanks in advance.
> _____________________________           _____
>| Keith Barr                  \           \ K \__      _____                  
>| barr@ncar.ucar.edu           \___________\   \/_______\___\_____________    
>| Comm/AS&MEL/Inst/IGI         /           < /_/   .....................  `-.
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>hard to believe anyone ever gets on an airplane.--Calvin          
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: gutnick@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Gutnick)
Subject: DELTA TA award tickets....INTERCHANGABLE?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:09:12 GMT


I have an opportunity to buy a DELTA TA award ticket to Israel from SFO at
an excellent price.  I called DELTA and they said that I can use the ticket
provided the person who originally got it accompanies me on some leg of 
the journey. The guy who wants to sell me the voucher says that this is
not inforced.  

How does this work?  How is voucher turned into ticket?  Am I liable to 
find myself with a ticket I cannot use?
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program ??
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:03:59 GMT

vpmath1@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Ruth Radetsky) writes:

>My roommate the travel agent did some research on routes from the USA
>to India, and came up with the following:


>The reason it takes so long, and that you have to go so far, to fly
>between the USA and India.  Please don't flame back without looking at a
>globe first.  A direct (great circle) route from anywhere in the USA to
>anywhere in South Asia would be a polar route over Central Siberia and
>ex-Soviet Central Asia.  No airline flies such a route; in fact, all
>routes with scheduled airline service go at least a thousand miles out
>of their way, and in most cases 2000-3000 miles.  All airlines except
>Aeroflot go way out of their way (via either Europe or East Asia) to
>avoid overflying ex-Soviet territory. 

Actually, Northwest Airlines has rights to fly over Siberia on certain
routes, such as flights from Detroit to Narita (Toykyo).

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole		"Outside is America,		     NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105    	- Bono, 27 December 1989      cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388 		 	Dublin	            aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:34:34 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Nudist Colony
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: yocomputo.berkeley.edu

In response to the query about flying to India through Europe
vs. flying to India via Asia. Actually, distance wise it is the
same from the US flying either East through Europe or West
through the Orient.

However, I believe it takes longer to go via the Orient.  The
reason being is that most flights leaving the West Coast (San
Francisco or LA) arrive in the Orient (Tokyo, Hong Kong,
Singapore) in the evening. A one night layover is necessary.
Flying through Europe, no layover is necessary. I believe a
couple hour layover in London or Frankfurt would be the only
stopover.

Dan Landis  spanga@athena.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel,misc.misc
From: hamlet@sdf.lonestar.org (David Stuart Hamlet)
Subject: barebones travle
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:17:31 GMT

Does anyone have any suggestions where I could find bare-bones, dirt 
cheap transportation to Europe?  I am a student on my way to Rome 
for a semester of study.  The only way I'll be able to get to do 
this is if travel expenses are kept to an absolute minimum.
Specifics:  can leave any time after 1/1/'93
            must arrive in Rome before 1/23/'93
            plan to stay at least 8 mos.
Have tried: New Voyager... but they book only round trip courier
            routes and the absolute longest they allow couriers to
            stay is 30 days.
Airhitch is an option but I don't know how to find them and have 
heard they are expensive.  How expensive?  Any ideas which won't 
land me in jail would be appreciated, no matter how bizarre.  Oh, 
yeah.  Sailboat is out.  But anything else.
Been letting my fingers do the walking for quite a while now but I'd 
sort of fixated on the courier deal and now that it seems to be out 
of the picture.... well, time is short.
With much grovelling,  Dave.
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Fares when death in family
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:16:53 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <1992Dec14.175350.5835@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
><KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> wrote: 
>->I was wondering if anyone ever had any dealings with airlines and their
>->policy for ticket prices when there is a death in the immediate family.
>
>sounds like you didn't do too badly for travel planned at the last
>minute.  you make it sound like the airlines are obliged to give
>bereavement discounts (these discounts have since vaporized with
>crandall's new "value pricing" ... when that vaporizes, the discounts
>may return).

You must have blinked! "Value pricing" has already begun to go the way
of  the  dodo. Many airlines   have quietly  begun   to  offer special
discounts (bereavement, military, volume) once again...
								reb
ps:
From: mntneer@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Open date tickets....
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:16:03 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <jp_2tk@rpi.edu>, chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) writes:
> 
> Hello.  I am planning to fly to Florida in the middle of Dec. and was 
> wondering what was the best way to obtain the cheapest open travel date
> ticket.  For personal reasons I can determine the exact date of travel, only
> that it will be some time in the middle of Dec.  Can anyone suggest a
> way to approach making a "reservation"?
> 
Become a student or a "Young Person" (under 26)

Here in Ireland students can get open date, open airline tickets at ordinary
Super Apex fares.

I hope it's the same in the US.  :-)

Ciaran Ruane

Mountaineering Club.
University College, Dublin.		Internet: mntneer@ccvax.ucd.ie
IRELAND.
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From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: Newark, NJ 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:54:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.201835.24098@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>
>Hi,
>with all the trouble we have had on the eastern
>seaboard this weekend, I was wondering if anyone
>had an idea if EWR had any troubles.  I saw
>on the TV that NJ was one of the hardest hit places.
>Whats it seem like things are going to be there?
>I travel through there early this week and was just wondering
>if I should expect any delays.
>I imagine any damage to the airport wouldnt be huge, and probably
>extreemly minimal if any, but "good things can happen when 
>you phone [post] first!"

Newark Airport (EWR) was open through the storm except for occasional
runway closures due to wind-shear and thunderstorm activity around it.
Flights in and out of Newark and Kennedy (JFK) were subject to heavy delays
and some flights were canceled because their destination airports were
not in a position to receive them (e.g. Allentown for example). La
Guardia (LGA) was closed until about noon Saturday because its runways
were under two feet of water brought about by unusually high tides.
Today EWR is back to normal operation with no delay that is out of the
ordinary. 

While I was stuck at home I spent a lot of my time monitoring Newark
Airport approach on my CB scanner (My apartment is almost line of
sight from Newark Airport). It was truly fascinating to hear in real
time how they were stacking incoming flights in holding patterns or
redirecting them elsewhere through the storm. By yesterday (Saturday)
evening everything was pretty much back to normal at EWR. 

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
From: canfield@ut-emx.uucp (William Canfield)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program ??
Summary: Jamaica, Frequent Flyer
Keywords: Air Jamaica, Frequent Flyer
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:16:37 GMT
Followup-To: poster, rec.travel.air
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I'm going to fly from Miami to Montego Bay on Air Jamaica soon, and wonder if
there's an airline which would apply this flight to their Frequent Flyer
program.

Anyone know?
  Thanks--     Bill Canfield   (canfield@emx.cc.utexas.edu) 


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: douglis@chimay.MITL.COM (Fred Douglis)
Subject: Northwest rerouting (was Re: Newark, NJ)
Organization: /u/douglis/.organization
	<1992Dec14.220117.19320@pony.Ingres.COM> <chang.724540544@aries>
	<1992Dec17.210557.5803@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:56:55
Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.06.

Joe's story about being rerouted on Northwest from LGA to EWR reminds
me of the time my wife and I were rerouted the opposite way.  We
connected in MSP and were told the flight to EWR was fine.  When we
went to the gate after a layover we found it had been canned,
ostensibly due to mechanical difficulties, though people we talked to
had suspicions the problem was with another plane and they took ours
because it was far under capacity.

Anyway, when we got to LGA Northwest was supposed to have a shuttle to
take us to Newark.  We were among the last to get to the van and found
out we didn't fit, because the ninnies at LGA said "well, last time we
ordered too many vans so this time we just got one".  Right.  We had
to wait a half-hour for another van, for the 4-5 people who didn't
make the previous one.  Our only compensation was a voucher for 1000
miles of FF credit.  

This was on top of problems leaving the west coast in the first place
-- we called to confirm the flight, were told there was some sort of
problem and should hang on while they checked; lost the connection and
called back, and this time were assured there was no problem.  When we
got to the airport it turned out we were switched from a Detroit X to
MSP, with an extra 1 1/2 hours waiting at SFO.  

I haven't flown Northwest since, to tell the truth.  We were supposed
to be in EWR at 10:30 Saturday, and we were flying back out Sunday
evening.  We lost a good part of Saturday due to their shenanigans. 
Yes, I know other airlines may do this sort of thing too, but I was
singularly unimpressed.

--
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: 35MM film and X-ray machines (Q)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:46:27 GMT

cd@bard.uk.cray.com (Chris Dickson) wrote: 
->As far as I know ALL baggage, carry on or otherwise, on all flights
->originating at a UK airport must be X-rayed. At LHR no exceptions
->are ever made to this rule.

travellers should not expect to demand hand-examination of film (or
other items) at the security checkpoint; unlike the situation in north
america (where you may have a right to have this happen), you don't
necessarily have this right elsewhere ... while you bicker with the
agent (who is only doing his/her job), you're delaying everyone else.

->I have heard it said, but don't really know, that some computer equipment
->is very unlikely to survive an airport X-ray - unshielded peripheral
->gear ( eg pocket modem ) was said to be particularly vulnerable.

i've heard this, but never experienced it ... and i've transported a
fair amount of equipment over frontiers and through airports.

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