From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college,soc.college
Subject: Re: ZBT Scandal
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:19:21 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: soc.college
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr13.000220.20290@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ddwa_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (The Viceman) writes:
>
>To Rob Walters, and anyone who took the time to read his "article":
>
>	As Vice-President of Alpha Chapter of Zeta Beta Tau at the University
>of Rochester (New York), I feel it is my duty not only to my fraternity, but
>also to anyone who read your article, to reply.

You forgot to mention all the philanthropy you do.

>	The first item which I will contest is your claim that "there is a   
>factor of fear regarding ZBT on campus". Now, I have met several of the Zeebs
>(as you so fondly call them) from Hunter. And while I have not met the whole
>chapter, I doubt seriously that they come from a "club" full of thugs. 

At Brandeis University, the Zeta Beta Tau fraternity has shown up en masse
in an attempt to intimidate the student government on three separate
occasions in the last four years, and once en masse to intimidate the
student judiciary determining the punishment six ZBT'ers who engaged in
hazing would receive.  (Not to mention the intimidation tactics they've
pursued with people who disagree with the concept of fraternities 
entirely, as well as witnesses to the hazing incident mentioned.)

I have no doubts that ZBT at Hunter engages in the
same kind of intimidation tactics. 

>	Second; who do you think this story is more embarassing for: ZBT
>National, Hunter College, or the Jewish Religion? Anyone with an ounce of
>intellect can see that Hunter would try as hard as possible to keep this
>under wraps. Now you say that "Some black students feel that Dean Fishman 
>assisted in the cover-up because she is also Jewish". Do you feel this way?
>Obviously you do, or you would not have written it. 

Or, he could be accurately reporting the feelings of some black students.

>	Acording to ZBT national, Hunter's charter has not "hung in the 
>balance for several years now". In fact, when I spoke to Dan Pardo, ZBT's
>National Consultant, he was rather amused, and conidered possibly adding
>this classification to the list if statuses that a Chapter can be on. You
>know: Probation, Suspension, Hanging in the balance, etc.

ZBT is notorious for changing their minds about chapters once they 
are re-admitted.  They once issued a huge press release with bells and
whistles claiming that the Brandeis chapter of ZBT was expelled from the
national fraternity for hazing (in order to disassociate the national from
an incident where several Brandeis ZBT's were caught stealing license
plates and library books from Clark University), and then a month later
readmitted them, and two years after that, pretended that the original
press release never existed.

[Ad hominem attacks on Rob Walters omitted.]
-- 
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