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From: mconlon@stat.ufl.edu (Mike Conlon)
Subject: Online boxscores?
Organization: University of Fl, Department of Statistics
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:03:38


I'm new to the list, so if this is on the FAQ, please kindly
point me there.

Does someone know of a reliable, internet source for daily boxscores?

Mike Conlon
Dept of Statistics
University of Florida
--
Michael Conlon                  
Department of Statistics               
University of Florida   
From: dp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Pinedo)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:06:10 GMT
Subject: Re: PIRATES AGIAIN!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, Eric Alva Dunmire <ed19+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> CLINCHED 3rd STRAIGHT !!!!
> 
> 
> ANY QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!
> 

Yes: Will they choke in the last two games of the NLCS like they did
last year?

David P.
From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RC/MLV Study
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:15:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake josh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (joshua.h.rosenbluth):
>In article <1992Oct4.170141.11358@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>>Both of these points can be explained in that I believe MLV undervalues walks
>>and OBP on the whole.  

Only if the team RC model does.  MLV *is* RC, applied to teams (which is where
RC was originally validated), and nothing else.  I don't see what all the
worries are.

>In addition, when you are using this model, as I was
>>earlier, of taking a player out and substitute a replacement player, there are
>>two points of caveat:
>>
>>1.	DON'T use the "average" given in Baseball Weekly, which assumes the
>>	player plays 162 games.  You have to scale down to the player's actual
>>	playing time.

Isn't this obvious?  Did anyone actually make this mistake?

>>2.	Even that undervalues a good player (particular one with a good OBP).
>>	A good player will get himself and his teammates more plate
>>	appearances, and therefore more runs.  Just taking his stats out and
>>	inserting average stats will then undervalue him somewhat.  (I am not
>>	sure how much, though.)

However much it is, it's irrelevant becase MLV ACCOUNTS FOR THIS.  How many
times do I have to say it?  MLV *does* adjust the number of team PAs, according
to how the team OBP changes.  Is that clear now?

>Are you saying that MLV undervalues OBP because it doesn't change the number
>of plate appearnces for the team?  Sounds plausible.  Any other reasons?

It is *not* plausible, because it is *not* true.  MLV *does* change the number
of plate appearances.  Josh, I sent you the formulae; see the one labelled
"Team PA", or some such?



-- 
       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CD ROM Baseball Encyclopedia
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:12:13 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <11208@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu>, sidbury@jaguar.uofs.edu (Dick Sidbury) writes:
> Recently, I saw an ad in the DAK catalog for a CD rom baseball encyclopedia for
> $69. (That is the sticker price so it may be cheaper elsewhere).  Does anyone
> have it? And what is your opinion.

Is it the "Total Baseball" CD ROM, based on the book of the same
name)?  If so, then it's a legitimate product.  I don't have a CD ROM drive
myself (I have a PC clone), but when I do, you bet I'll get it.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: season over for SDCNs?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:51:35 GMT

I guess now that the regular season is over all the stathead types
are going to be turning their attentions elsewhere.  It is the larger
sample size of the regular season, after all, which determines the
"best" teams in baseball.  As we have been told, time and time again,
the short series tells us only which team is the "luckiest" and that
is surely nothing to get worked up over is it? 

Are the 4 million fans that have paid to see the Jays all fools to 
want to see the Jays go all the way this year?  Shouldn't they just
be satisfied to know that over the long haul their team tied for the
overall best record in the AL?  If the Jays should get "lucky" and
actually win this year wouldn't the Canadian population just be
displaying their lack of knowledge of the essence of baseball if they
were to go nuts?  The big party should have happened after they won the
mini-pennant right?  Short series doesn't prove nothing does it?  
Frank Thomas won't be there.  Roger Clemens won't neither.

Well guys, if the Blue Jays do go all the way and beat Atlanta and win
the whole thing and you still don't think that they are the "best" team
in baseball then who gives a rat's ass who the "best" team in baseball 
is?

Joe Carter for MVP because 'cause he is a winner!
Jack Morris for CY 'cause he is a winner!

-- 
roger maynard                    
91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Lead off walks....
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:37:31 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Oct1.120014.11375@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.233148.1297@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>In article <GRABINER.92Sep30183837@germain.harvard.edu>, grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) writes:
>>> In article <1992Sep30.153621.1287@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z writes:
> 
>>>> 	The avergae pitcher gives up a hit an inning. If a pitcher gives
>>>> up a single to lead off the inning, there is a good chance there won't
>>>> be another hit that inning. OTOH, if the pitcher leads off yeilding a
>>>> walk, the batting team still has that hit they are likely to pick up
>>>> later in the inning.
> 
>>> This is the gambler's fallacy.  The chance that a coin will land heads
>>> does not depend on the previous flip.  Likewise, the chance that a team
>>> will get a hit in the current inning does not depend on what happened in
>>> the earlier part of the inning.
> 
>>	No, it is not gambler's fallacy; the chance of a team getting two hits
>>in an inning is less than the chance of them getting one hit in an inning.
> 
> Exactly -- this is the gambler's fallacy in its pure form.  Yes, the
> chance of getting two hits is smaller -- but the team doesn't NEED two hits!
> It only needs one, because it already HAS one.   The conditional probability
> of two hits total, GIVEN that there's already been one, is HIGHER than
> the raw probability of getting one, as we know from split-stats.

	You aren't arguing what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that from the start of
an inning, the chances of the batting team getting two hits in that inning is
far less than getting just one hit in that inning. This argument is NOT
incorrect. It might not be relevant, but it isn't incorrect.

Brandon Cope
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: gindin@gindinraleigh.ibm.com (Jim Gindin)
Subject: Re: Baerga
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 18:20:33 GMT
Reply-To: gindin@gindinraleigh.ibm.com (Jim Gindin)
Organization: ELC

In article <6906@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, traven+@pitt.edu (Neal Traven)
writes:
> Path:
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> From: traven+@pitt.edu (Neal Traven)
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
> Subject: Re: Baerga
> Message-ID: <6906@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
> Date: 6 Oct 92 15:58:35 GMT
> References: <Ahn-051092154301@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu>
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> Sender: news+@pitt.edu
> Organization: University of Pittsburgh
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> 
> In article <39042@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
> >
> >Baerga was a throw in on the Joe Carter for Sandy Alomar and Chris James
> >trade with San Diego.  One of Trader Jack's finest...
> >
> In that same off-season, Trader Jack also let Dave Hollins go to the Phillies
> in the Rule 5 waiver draft.
> 
> Ahhh, but he *did* pick up the much-travelled Mike Pagliarulo to play
3B in the
> 1990 season.  Again, a positively *brilliant* bit of player evaluation.
> 
> My Duerk's Electronic Baseball Encyclopedia lists Pags with 116
defensive games
> at 3B, someone named Eddie Williams with 13, and Paul 'Always Kidded about my
> Name' Faries with 1.  Who played the rest of those 1990 Pods games at 3B?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> neal	traven+@pitt.edu	      You're only young once, but you can be
> 	traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu	       immature forever.   -- Larry Andersen

If it had to guess, I'd say Jim Presley. Jack Howell is another
possibility, but I
think that was 1991. Tim Flannery retired in 1989, I think.

==> Jim

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From: bc@egret.base.bellcore.com (Bill Cooney)
Subject: Re: alfredo griffin
Reply-To: bc@egret.base.bellcore.com (Bill Cooney)
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:14:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.4235.45402@dosgate>, "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com> writes:
|> 
|> In message-ID: <1992Sep24.023921.10848@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>
|> on the subject: Alfredo Griffin you wrote:
|> 
|> >Contrary to what I have stated in the past, Alfredo Griffin is unquestionably
|> >the worst SS, both offensively and defensively, in MLB.  The jays are cooked
|> >if Lee can't come back.  Griffin by himself probably contributes more losses
|> >than Oz, in his prime, contributed wins. (for those who remember Herzog's
|> >famous line)
|> 
|> >He can't move runners across.  He can't throw to first.  He can't make the
|> >DP.
|> 
|> >The only thing he does is look puzzled while standing at the plate with
|> >runners on base.  And he does that real well.
|> 
|> Take a close look these days, he's playing better, much better! I am
|> no fan of Fredo's, and I thought it really dumb to bring him here. Up
|> until about 2 weeks ago your analysis was spot-on, but he really is
|> moving better, covering more ground, throwing better now. I saw him
|> play twice in person during the Jays last home stand, and he really is
|> getting much better, from where I sit. I think he and Alomar are
|> turning the double play BETTER than Lee, and they seem to communicate
|> better. Griffins' offense is weak, but Lee is hardly Mr. Clutch.
|> Personally I think Gruber costs the Jays more games than Griffin at
|> this point; my worry is Griffin will injure his aging & fragile body
|> and we'll have the dreaded Eddie Zosky in there for the finish! THAT
|> will do the Jays in . . . . Mike
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|> World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044


Speaking of this guy.

At Sunday's Yankee Game he gets up in the top of the fifth inning, with the rain
coming down heavy swings at the first pitch in the dirt, the second pitch which
was about 1.5 ft off the plate.  The pitcher sensing what was going on threw
the next pitch about 12ft high and 5 ft off the plate and he swung at it.

At this point, the umpires suppended play and put the tarp on the field.  The
Blue Jays were up something like 9 to 0.

It would have served the Blue Jays right if the game was called due to rain and
replayed.

People pay $$$ to see these professionals perform to their best of their abilities not this garbage!!


Mr. Bill


Opinions are only my own.
From: ccohen+@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Test
Summary: You should not even be reading this far
Keywords: test, ignore, sheep, perot, pirates are number 1!
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:10:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: ccohen@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu

Test, but since I have you attention:

Pgh v Atl - Pgh 5
Oak v Tor - Oak 5
Oak v Mil - Oak 6, if oakland starts out poorly, Mil 7

Pgh v Oak - Pgh 6
Pgh v Mil - Pgh 5

Fact or Fiction?  Find out in a month!

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From: darrell.crone@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Darrell Crone) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RE: Flame Me! Flame ME!
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Ozone Hole BBS - New Orleans, LA - (504)891-3142 16800 Baud
Reply-To: darrell.crone@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Darrell Crone) 



> The best team in the American League finally clinches the title.  Now it's
> time to kill Oakland in 4 games and go on to the World Series.
>
> Because the A's sucks, the Toronto Blue Jays will have little difficulty
> winning the American League title.
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

CS>Obviously, this man has a flame wish...coming off with a statement like "the
CS>A's sucks" after the incredible year they put together.  I think all of us A's
CS>fans should keep his email address handy and send him our condolences when the
CS>Jays fall...:)

Chris is definitley a Baseball Genius.. Will keep his Address.!!FLAME ON!!!
>
> Great game for Cy Young winner Juan Guzman and MVP Joe Carter!!!
>

CS>NOT!!!!!!  The Eck could take one or both of those - wait and see...

CS>Chris (I still can't believe Jose is a Ranger) S.
God Ya must be from the Bay Area Like me unfortunatley I'm in the ArmPit
of all sports Louisiana, have to catch the A's when I can.....

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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:18:54 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

October 2
Maury Wills, 1932
Earl Wilson, 1934
Bob Robertson, 1946
Frank "Spec" Shea, 1920
Mike de la Hoz, 1939
Greg Pryor, 1949
Andre Robertson, 1957
Ernie Riles, 1960
Hector Villanueva, 1964

October 3
Fred Clarke, 1872 (HOF)
Dave Winfield, 1951
Jim Perry, 1926
Dennis Eckersley, 1954
Bob Skinner, 1931
Daryl Sconiers, 1958
Johnny Broaca, 1909
Junior Felix, 1967 (heh!)
Bob Kearney, 1956
Armand Marsans, 1887

October 4
Eldon "Rip" Repulski, 1927
Frankie "Crow" Crosetti, 1910
Charlie Leibrandt, 1956
Lary Sorenson, 1955
John Wathan, 1949
Bruce Ruffin, 1963
Billy Hatcher, 1960
Glenn Adams, 1947
Mike Sharperson, 1960
Red Munger, 1918
Tony LaRussa, 1944

--Steve
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Torre!  Torre!  Torre!
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:46:39 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Oct2.160900.22702@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>Fine, but these games do have *some* similarities (at least in a 
>series against a team; blaming it on play against a whole division
>seems hard to get away with). I'd like to hear some explanations for
>why the Cards had a tough time with the Pirates before falling into
>the trap of "random variation can explain this, so no other factors
>could have come into play." 


Well actually Sherri's point is quite valid, the Cards didn't win because
they didn't score runs all year. However it was certainly most evident
in their head to head games with the Pirates. they couldn't score against
them and thats why they lost to them. 

I'm sure if you look at their season series with other teams there would
be some other large gaps in their favor that are hard to explain too.

At one time they were .500 or better against every team in the league
except the Pirates and Braves, I don't think this is true anymore.


I could just have easily said that by replacing Gallaragga with Brewer,
and keeping Ken Hill, they would have been in the race.

Or by drafting Frank Thomas instead of Paul Coleman.

Aargh!




Russ Smith
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: roy NL
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:55:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.160111.3254@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>Carter has been a part-time palyer at a starter's salary for the Expos. Though
>he is better than Fletcher, he has played less than Pena. Parish went to the
>mariners, and is a backup catcher. Most likely, Pena is a better catcher than
>any of the above, and a combo of Parish/Carter would no doubt have cost the
>Red Sox a sum of money they could not afford on top of what they're paying
>Pena. Add to that the they have a possible catcher for next year in Wedge,
>and those moves you suggest don't appear to strengthen the Red Sox (BTW, 
>Carter has announced his retirement).

Nice circular reasoning there, Mike.  Carter and Parrish shouldn't be
starting because they aren't starting.  And they aren't starting because they
shouldn't be starting.  I love that logic.

If the Red Sox did sign Parrish, they *should* start him.  Whether if they do
is a different question.

And no, just because a player starts is not a proof that the player is a
better player.  Otherwise, Alfredo Griffin would be a great player in '88.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sheffield is NL MVP
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:52:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvIF7v.1x0
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Sep30.184922.22177@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.144756.1661@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>
>>(through Sept 21)
>>Baltimore .342 OBP, .402 SLG, 651 runs
>>Detroit   .336 OBP, .407 SLG, 724 runs
>
>So this is supposed to show that 5 points of SLG is worth 70+ more
>runs than 5 points of OBP?  Then Toronto (.332/.415) should have
>over 800 runs, right?  Even without their running game!
>
>All your example shows is that it is possible to have a good-hitting
>team that doesn't score runs.  You simply have to bat your best
>sluggers in the #1/#2/#7 spots, and put your worst sluggers #3/#4/#5.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That would be right out of the Lou Piniella handbook, right?  Actually, not
completely true--Larkin at #3 is the Reds best slugger.  But other than that...

>
>Of course I'm not sure why anybody would want to do this...
It's a good question...

>
>ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, 1 point of OBP seems to be worth a bit
>more than 1 point of SLG.  Though you can come up with MILLIONS of
>examples where some things are not equal.  Like above.
>
Well, one counter-example is suffiecient.


RStimets
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Torre!  Torre!  Torre!
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:54:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvG6qA.7L4
Organization: NSSL

Get a hold of your seats, folks.  I'm going to say something positive
about both Joe Torre and (gasp!) Andres Galarraga's performances this
year.  

For the first time in 10 tries, a Joe Torre-managed club is going to
finish above .500 in the period 1 August-end of season.  The 1991 
Cardinals had gone 31-31 to break Joe's previous personal best of 
28-33 (.459) with the division-winning Braves of 1982.  Currently,
the Cardinals are 33-24 (.579) since August began, with three games
remaining.  This also marks the first time that Torre has managed
a team that it has managed to have a winning percentage better than
.028 worse than the April-July numbers the team posted.  Perhaps
Joe's figured out how to eliminate the late-season collapse or it
may be another case of blind chickens and corn or it may have
something to do with his big decision to bench Le Grande Chat, which
brings us to...

The Andres Galarraga update!!

On the year, Andres currently is hitting .244/.392/.283.  But let's
break that down just a little.  Through the 6th of June (D-Day), 
Andres had 56 PA and was hitting .216/.275/.286.  Since then, we 
can break his season into two halves of 145 PA each.  (He's only
had 11 PA since Labor Day, so "Now" is almost equivalent to doing
the breakdown three weeks ago.)

                BA     SLG    OBP     
7 June-19 July .221   .364   .248
20 July-Now    .278   .466   .317

Last year, the non-Galarraga starting first basemen of the National
League averaged .279/.435/.354, so Andres's recent OPS is almost
average.  (So I'm grasping at straws.)  After suffering through
the middle of July with AG in the line-up, Torre finally benched 
him after 145 PA at his best production since 1988, the only year
when Galarraga's SLG was higher than .466.  '87 and '88 are the
only years when his OPS topped .783.  Andres was not an awful player
the second half of the season.  He wasn't a good player, but he
wasn't the worst regular in the league from 20 July through Labor
Day.  It shows the colossal misjudgment My Pal Dal made when 7
weeks of hitting above his career numbers (.269/.439/.326) and
well above reasonable expectations for '92 wasn't enough to keep
Andres in the lineup.  I actually feel somewhat sorry for him--
being put into a situation where, barring a miracle, he was almost
certain to be a disappointment, given the expectations that were
put upon him.

Harold
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National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Cal Ripken   April-August   .248 BA  .354 SLG  .328 OBA
Cal Ripken (1 Sep.-30 Sep.) .245 BA  .336 SLG  .278 OBA