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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Robocop vs Terminator - Time Paradox?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:21:57 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Jul23.152022.12634@njitgw.njit.edu>, bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.234137.3372@spcvxb.spc.edu> 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
> >To you Dudes into Time-Paradoxes,
> >
> >   I don't have the exact Temporal co-ordinates as to when SKYNET unleashed
> >Armaggadon, or the time when Murphy got transformed to Robocop, but if I
> >remember right - SKYNET started "The Day of the Machines" supposedly a few
> >years before the RoboCop program got started in Detroit.
> >In "Terminator", I think the year IT started was 1999 -a guess.  RoboCop,
> >in a year after 2000 -another guess.
> >Could anybody please verify the year of each movies beginning.
> >
> >Granted the idea, concept, is interesting, but it really get ruin (to me) if
> >one cannot mesh two different storylines properly into something cohesive 
> >-especially conflicting time periods.

"There is no fate but what we make".  There is no pre-set future in the
Terminator universe.  All you have to do is say that
Terminator is on a different timeline than Robocop, and then handwave
to explain how a Terminator ended in the Robocop timeline.

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: Good Comics
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:02:23 GMT

 bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
>Has anyone out there read "Bone?"  It is an incredibly funny
>comic.  I recommend you try it out.
>
>Roland
>
>PS: Don't buy it if you're looking for superheroes punchin' each other
>


I've got the first three issues, and will be ordering #4 and #5 in a few
weeks. Bone is wonderful. But don't trust my recommendation. Trust some
of these others who love it:
   Peter David
   Tony Isabella
   Don Thompson
   Will Eisner
   Dave Sim
(I know there are more names, but this was just the quick list I keep at
the top of my head.)

****GlittoFern**** glitto@iastate.edu
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: New Titans #89
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:59:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.122949.13740@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> rekle@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Rick Ekle (CompSci)) writes:
>>	Exactly what is the difference between Metropolis and New York...
>>Furthermore where are Metropolis Gotham Central City etc.  They really seem
>>unable to once and for all decide exatly what these places are.
>>
>
>Metropolis = New York (that's pretty obvious)

Nope.  Metropolis is Metropolis, and has no direct correlation.  Mayfair's
Atlas of the DC Universe (worked on and edited by some DC editors, so as close
to an official source as exists) places Metropolis in Delaware.

>Gotham City = I'm not positive but I get the impression it is Chicago.

Gotham City is in New Jersey.

>Central City = some city in Florida (Miami?)

Central City is in Kansas.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
-------
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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:03:10 GMT

In article <44537@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> sue_clark@maillink.berkeley.edu (sue clark) writes:
}>Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat is well-established as Jewish, although not very
}>observant. Prof. X may or may not be Jewish for pretty much the same
}>reasons as Magneto.  Marvel also has an Israeli superbeing called
}>"Sabra" -- she's not a "hero" precisely, but certainly fits at least
}>as well as Magneto. 
}
}Also in the story about the Demon in the X-Mansion, where Kitty trashes
}the building with a wee bit of help, features Kitty's folks coming to
}visit her for Channukah. (spelling errors unintentional).

And everyone else was gone christmas shopping or visiting their families.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Shadow of the Bat question...
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:13:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Jul23.151351.10908
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Jul.21.10.43.58.1992.29292@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
>
>By the way, did anyone notice that there was a post-Crisis Cavalier, in the
>pre-Crisis costume, among Arkham's inhabitants?  Looks like another untold
>story.  Either the Cavalier from LOTDK didn't die, or he spawned an imitator.

I think that's another character named Cavalier, who's been around since
before LotDK and Shadow of the Bat.  I don't know much about him (and to
think, a few short months ago, I was Obscure Trivia Lad), but I do
remember seeing him in two or three of Giffen's JLA issues (the ones
where Wally Tortellini (sp?) is taken to the bar with all the super-villains
and wins their gimmicks, including Cavalier's sword, in a poker game).
I wasn't aware he was in Arkham, though.
From: nschultz@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Ned W Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Mr. Mxyztplk/Mxyzptlk
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:18:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, CSc Department


My six-year old spied the spelling change from Golden Age Mr. Mxyztplk to
Silver Age Mr. Mxyzptlk...and he wants to know "WHY?".  Can someone give
me the concise, fairly-advanced-kindergartener explanation for this
change?  Perhaps it was a prank to vex fathers?

Ned Schultz
nschultz@polyslo.calpoly.edu
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From: a0v6282@rigel.tamu.edu (Art Velasquez)
Subject: Re: DC: Wonder Woman #66
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:13:00 GMT

     jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) writes...
>Dani Zweig (dani@netcom.com) writes:
> 
>>Wonder Woman is now Lost in Space, with no idea of where Earth is or how to
>>get home.  Right.
> 
>Hey, "space is big.  Incredibly big," and so forth.  (Not that I disagree with
>you; Wonder Woman has been on the ropes around my collection ever since Perez
>decided to tag out in favor of Messner-Loebs.  The one-two punch of those
>Deathstroke issues nearly did her in, and now Jill Thompson has tagged out to
>let Paris Cullins play for a while.  I'm afraid Diana's down for the count
>around these parts.)
> 

     *sigh*  Does this mean Jill Thompson's not coming back?  :-(
     Maybe I could have lived with the "action-oreined" Diana with Bill
Messner-Loebs.  But Thompson, IMHO, managed to keep her promise (made in
_Amazing Heroes_) to render "a six-foot woman, not a six-foot model," and
that made Diana much more interesting to me.  Cullins's artwork (ha!)
has reduced Diana to a six-foot model again, I'm afraid.
     I don't know that Diana's out for the count.  But the referee is
counting.   Two... three... .

#     Art Velasquez, Cultural Elitist       a0v6282 @ zeus.tamu.edu    #
#                         Texas A&M University                         #
#----------------------------------------------------------------------#
#             Do not be alarmed.  This is only my opinion.             #
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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Subject: Re: New Titans #89
Organization: University of Michigan Population Studies Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:37:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.122949.13740@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> rekle@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Rick Ekle (CompSci)) writes:
>
>Metropolis = New York (that's pretty obvious)
>
>Gotham City = I'm not positive but I get the impression it is Chicago.
>
>Central City = some city in Florida (Miami?)

The old line was that Gotham/Metropolis were twin cities, usually in New
Jersey.  Central City is clearly midwest (as many comics make a point of
Barry Allen's and Wally West midwestern personalities).  I always figured
that Central City was somewhere in Ohio.  I also believe that Midway City
(home of Hawkman) is usually placed in Michigan, somewhere near Lake Michigan.
I like this one, since that's where I'm from.  :) (reference-- Tony Isabella's
Hawkman series)

[These placements were the ones touted in the late 70's early 80's-- some
have clearly changed since then.  Note Byrne's placement on Metropolis
somewhere off of the East coast.]
-- 
Ken Small                    The Ann Arbor Art Fair: Not Art and Not Fair
kens@umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: matap@lure.latrobe.edu.au (Andrej Panjkov, La Trobe Maths)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: American Splendour
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:19:23 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

Can anyone tell me if Harvey Pekar is still doing his excellent
"American Splendour"?  If so, when can I expect the next issue?
If not, why not?

Also, where can I acquire back issues?  Can I order them by mail from 
Harvey?

What a great comic!  It focusses on the mundane, but it's so interesting.
Harvey is very versatile as a writer too--every story has a different feel,
although this is also due to the fact that they are drawn by different 
artists.  (I can't understand why some of the more famous artists aren't 
begging Harvey to draw one of his stories.  

Does anyone else enjoy this comic as much as I do?

-- 

Andrej Panjkov,                           matap@lure.latrobe.edu.au 
Dept. of Mathematics,
La Trobe University,
Melbourne, Victoria, 3083, Australia
From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Continuity
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:46:34 GMT
Organization: UB

jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:


>I think here they are de-emphasizing first space flight, and making it the
>first interstellar drive?  Again, anyone have any hard facts?

The thing that really dates the FF is the fact that Ben and Reed faught
during World War II.  This makes them almost ( but not quite) As old as
the JSA !

Was this ever written out of continuity.

						
						Jim
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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Good Comics
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:45:18 GMT
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@lightning.berkeley.edu

In article <bjm1.711885580@Ra.MsState.Edu> bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
)Has anyone out there read "Bone?"  It is an incredibly funny
)comic.  I recommend you try it out.
)
)Roland

	Well, heck. Here I was all gearing up to do a big post on 
_Bone_ now that #5 is out, and someone beats me to it. Oh, well.

	Fellow netters: _Bone_ is a damn good comic! And there are 
never enough of those.

	The title characters are three cousins: Fone Bone, a decent
fellow rather reminiscent of Pogo Possum; Phoney Bone, a grouchy
moneygrubbing sleazebag; and Smiley Bone, who's tall and goofy-looking.
Run out of Boneville after one of Phoney's schemes fell through, 
they cross a desert, get separated, and wind up in a valley full of
interesting creatures.

	Jeff Smith both writes and draws well. The characters are 
charming (well, except for Phoney, but he's supposed to be irritating)
and the monsters are nicely scary. The art is great. According to 
the responses in the letter column, Smith spent several years doing
animation. It shows, both in the clean lines of the art and in the
superb visual flow. The more physical sequences, such as the chase
scenes, almost give the same impression as watching an animated movie.

	(The letter columns are amusing, I might add. They gush with
more praise than a typical Marvel column. The difference is that here,
IMHO, the praise is deserved. And that nobody ever compares Rob Liefeld
to Walt Kelly.)

	If you like the work of Walt Kelly, Scott McCloud, or
Larry Marder, give _Bone_ a try. I'll bet you'll be glad you did.
Also, if you don't I'll pour Liquid Plum'r in my brine shrimp tank.

	Issues 1-5 (all that are out so far) are all in print and 
should be available at a good local comic shop. Or you can order
back issues at $2.95 apiece from

			Bone Back Issues
			c/o Cartoon Books
			P.O. Box 212
			Worthington, OH 43085

	You can also subscribe at this address, one year (six issues)
for $18.00 or two years for $36.00.

	(Note: I am not affiliated with Cartoon Books in any way. I just
like this book *so* much that I want it to be easy for people to order it.)

-- 
   David Goldfarb          |"I'm going to die if you touch me one more time.
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |Well, I guess that I'm going to die no matter what."
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |          -- They Might Be Giants
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Subject: Re: Magneto (was Re:Jewish Superheros)
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:17:23 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

In article <1992Jul23.222736.12758@midway.uchicago.edu>, selke@usite-next.uchicago.edu (Lori Selke) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.093319.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>>  The stuff about him being in a concentration camp is getting kind of
>>hard to swallow, as it would make him and Xavier at least 60.
>>
>>Then again, they've retconned the ages a number of times.
>      Not to mention the fact that Magneto was once reduced to an infant at 
> some point in his career.

That's right.  I forgot about that.
He was reduced to infancy by his own creation (Alpha?), in an issue of
Defenders.

He was restored by a Shi'ar calling himself 'Eric the Red' (I don't remember
the original Eric, but this wasn't him), but it didn't say at what age, in the
low 100's of Uncanny X-Men (102? 104?)

He spent the intervening time at Moira MacTaggart's labs.

Before you flame me for not using .xbooks, I don't get that conference yet.

-- 
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From: lev@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian S. Lev)
Subject: Adult Comix address
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords:  ADULT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:05:00 GMT

Hello, All --

Some time ago, I responded to a posting about adult comics and said that
I knew of a mail order place that would handle such merchandise. Between
then and now, I've lost track of and rediscovered the address, had a news
server barf on my account, and lots of other fun.  However, I managed to
find the address and a functioning server and all kinds of other good stuff 
all at the same time, SO...

Although I've not (yet) ordered from them, the Malibu Graphics Publishing
Group puts out an "Illustrated Fantasies Catalog" of "Graphic Novels and
Comic Books For Adults" that looks pretty slick.  The catalog is divided
into sections labelled "Books & Comics for Adults Only," "Horror Books &
Comics," and "Books & Comics for Mature Readers."  Individual issues of
just about anything average $2.50, with collections and books running up 
the scale to $19.95 (highest price I've found in the catalog).

The company address is: Malibu Graphics Publishing Group
                        5321 Sterling Center Drive
                        Westlake Village, CA 91361
                        phone 818-889-9800
                        FAX 818-889-6800

Again, I do *not* have first-hand experience with this outfit; it just
seems to fit the bill, and the catalog looks fairly good.

'nuf sed.

-- Brian
From: antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: XMEN: Forge is not an inventor
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:00:58 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University

Hello.

So, reading a back issue of X-Men, Forge pulls the amazingly lame line
"since my mutant power is the ability to invent litererly anything given
enough time..." and it starts me thinking about the nature of his power.

I don't think he actually has the ability as a mutant power to invent things.
Instead, I think he makes devices which work because he made them.  If or
when he forgets about them, they  probably become disfunctional.  So, his
power nullifier works when he uses or when the X-teams are playing around with
it, but if someone finds it lying in a warehouse a few years later, since
Forge has long since forgotten about it, it no longer works.  His power isn't
invention, it's "empowerment of devices".

This also implies that if, say, Tony Stark got a hold of a Forge device,
disassembled it to make a detailed blueprint, and built a new one, the new
one wouldn't work.

Thus Forge can make devices which defy physics or electronics because he
thinks he can.

The ultimate test would be for him to give one of his devices to Reed Richards.
Since it's been established here that Reed Richards determines reality,
all he'd have to do is look at the device and say "it shouldn't work", and
nothing would change, or "yes, it would work" and suddenly the device isn't
a sham but works!

Thus Forge (who seems to be able to make things quicker than Reed) could
start a business with Reed.  Forge builds things, then takes them to Reed.
Reed gives it a quick look, decides that is seems a sound enough design, and
thus the design is now correct.  Then they patent it.

Okay, the real reasonfor this theory is to explain why Forge hasn't glutted
the market with cheap consumer goods.

sandy
alex@astro.isas.ac.jp
lights... camera... action... timber!  (l.anderson)
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Paul the Samurai
Keywords: Paul Tick
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:51:16 GMT

Aside from the three issue Paul the Samurai mini-series that came out
a year or so ago (a  trade paperback of this came out a couple weeks ago),
they've just started up a new Paul the Samurai series (I can't tell if
it's a new mini-series or an actual continuing series).  Be forewarned,
though, that it is neither written nor drawn by Ben Edlund by two nubies
(whose names I forget); the writer is also doing the Man-Eating Cow
spin-off series.

This writer is not as gifted as Ben, but he does have some moments,
like his oh-so-subtle jabs at US automakers ("You know our problems
due to the Japanese's unfair trade practices.  Imagine: making cars
people want and then selling them.  Unbelievable.") or his occasional
tribute to the cinema (look for the Jaws autopsy scene!).  I liked the
first issue of Paul more than Man-Eating Cow, but we'll see how they go.
The artists (I think they're illustrated by different people) also lack
Ben's flair, but they're pretty good in their own right.

I don't know I would call them must-haves for Tick fans, since technically
they aren't the Tick, but some of Ben's genius must've rubbed off on this
guy.  Worth checking out, I think.
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: JL* Suck!
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:28:00 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Jul20.141902.5682@iscsvax.uni.edu> From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu

> In article <3055@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
> > Keywords: BAD!


> > Fire and Ice were basicly Giffin's creation except for a few
> > previous appearances in Infinity, Inc.



>         Wrong.  Both Fire and Ice existed long before Giffen was doing comics.
> They were founding memebers of the Global Guardians under the names Ice Maiden
> and Green Flame.  Giffen only did his basic recharacterization job to them.


Like I said they were around but basicly unused and undefined.

A couple people have pointed out that Green Flame was also in
Superfriends but that doesn't count in terms of continuity;
That continuity doesn't count very much at DC anymore is
another story.
-- 
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From: victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng)
Subject: Re: Marvel Continuity
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:25:17 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 07-30-92 17:49
>>  How many presidential caricatures are
>>there?

>Carter was shown, as prez, two issues before the death of Phoenix.  Bush
>appeared in 'Iron Man' about 4 months ago.  I'm sure there have been many
>others...

Also Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau appeared in the Uncanny
X-Men 120, maybe 121, in the first appearance of the Alpha Flight team.
If Carter was prez, and Trudeau was PM, this means that the classic
X-Men tales must have occured in the early 70's.

Jim
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From: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Booster Gold
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:13:44 GMT
Reply-To: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: danfrank@bashful.cc.utexas.edu

The conversation on the net about Booster being a DC character
reminds me of something that bugs me on occasion. If Booster Gold
is from the 25th century, how did his museum get access to a Legion
flight ring (assumably from the 30th century)? 
(Don't tell me it was L.E.G.I.O.N., Booster was created in 1985.)

******************************************************
* Daniel Frank      Batman: If only I could reach my *
*                      Bat-Anti-Tarantula Spray.     *
*                   Robin: Hurry, Batman, hurry! He's*
*                      about to bite me.             *
*                   Batman: She, Robin, she! Only the*
*                     female tarantulas are poisonous*
From: berninge@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Superman DIES ???????????
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:10:48 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul30.192519.3010@pacdata.uucp> jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.183720.10380@rdg.dec.com> boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes) writes:
>>>I've seen at least 2 articles saying that Superman is going to die.
>>Neil Gaiman was talking about this when he visited Oxford a few months 
>>back: his death will be another DC-Universe-shaker, like Invasion and
>>Millenium, and like those, be all back to normal in a couple of months.
>Wunnerful, now DC has a perfect opportunity to cross SuperDuperman into
>both Hellblazer and Sandman.  If I weren't such a cynic I'd say "no way",
>but you know the head honchos are trying to think of a way to say "way!".

I doubt it.  Hellblazer and Sandman are both "mature titles".  Just
as Green Arrow, Sandman, etc. were not included in Armageddon 2001
or Eclipso -- the younger audience would not be encouraged to pick
up titles they otherwise wouldn't/couldn't buy.

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"