HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: looking for attention?? (was Re: Are IAs close-minded ?)
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:23:27 GMT

In article <samaddar.718830074@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:

>While we are at it, how about extending the list from long hair to other
>things "typically" associated with feminine appearance, eg; applying
>lipsticks, wearing skirts/saris/(other "feminine" dresses).
>>guys I've met with long hair have been fairly attractive.
>
>How would you feel about guys wearing "feminine" dresses?

Hmmm...well, guys in kilts are awfully sexy - especially if they're
big, bearded Scotsmen...:-)

I don't know.  I think it's very difficult for men in this country to
wear feminine clothing without being branded as homosexual or
transvetites.  I have noticed a lot of very masculine men wearing
ruffled shirts and long earrings at Renaissance Faires....but people
who go to Faires are more likely to be willing to step beyond normal
conventions anyway....and who knows if they'd have the nerve to wear
such clothing to work. :-)

I don't mind guys wearing feminine clothing, but suspect that I'm even
more in the minority on this one than I usually am. :-)

I certainly can't claim to represent all of IA womanhood on
this...anyone want to toss in their two cents?

>Sumitro

 - Amirthi

-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav)
Subject: Re: Moving this newsgroup to soc.culture hierarchy
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:33:48 GMT

=============================
 baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:
>......(delete)
>Thus a newsgroup in the soc hierarchy  will travel to more sites, 
>be accessed by more people, will presumably get a wider cross-section of 
>readers who will presumably also enlighten us with their wisdom and 
>experiences.
>.....
>As to what happened to s.c.i.a. - it was 'withdrawn' by the Usenet
>powers that be. That it nevertheless figured in the propagation statistics
>seems to me an indication that the statistics are not perfectly reliable.

 Why was it withdrawn? what happened? 
 Curiosity, without long hairs :). 

T.Y.                    
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Last SCIA Vote
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:47:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.023411.358@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:
> 
> It is very touching to have so much confidence expressed in me from 
> Alok, Raghavan, and several other net.friends . 
> 
> On behalf the readers of this group,  I humbly accept 
> this responsibility. I have set up a small group which will initially 
> draft the charter, and then we will present it here for discussion and 
> possible amendment before sending out the formal RFD. If the RFD cannot 
> be posted until mid November, then it might be wise to wait until 
> January, because otherwise the voting period will coincide with the 
> holiday season. Unless, of course, we have identified a huge number 
> of people who read this group for sure and so will presumably vote for it - 
> like around 500 - through Ron Hira's mock election stats. 
> 
> I will post the draft charter as soon as it's ready - Amirthi, Manish, 
> Preeti, Tapesh, Mehul and I will be working closely on it. 
> (All of us who read this group will have a chance to comment on it before 
> it goes to news.groups and elsewhere. )
> 

Thanks for volunteering. I believe you have chosen a good team.

Alok
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Are IAs close-minded ? (Re: Parental authority
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com
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shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye) writes:

>This 'long hair' thing always amazes me. 
>I used to think that people who grow/shape their hair in certain way are
>doing that to get some attention from their peers. Mainly because this
>reasoning fits irrespective of the culture and gender of the person.
>But then I realized that many of them really choose it as a 'convinience'.
>Those who grow them grow them beacause it saves on haircut money and those
>who cut them short do it because short hair are easy to take care of.

You are being very charitable. Your original thinking was closer to
truth. If you believe that "convenience" and saving money are the reasons,
then check out their clothes and shoes. I don't mind kids trying to get
attention/appreciation by peers, adults also do that. But why not try
getting this attention by becoming athletic, good in studies, arts, etc,
instead of gimmicks like long hair, ear-rings, etc.

Sumitro
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From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Subject: Re: Moving this newsgroup to soc.culture hierarchy
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:48:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.163639.22199@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:

>Posting messages and sending e-mail is all that is required. Being 
>English major you can help in wording the official charter for the
>team.
>
>May be it is time the oldies [ Alok, Purna, Ron, Arijit and
>myself] are 'put to pasture'.  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-(
>
>How about a core team of Amirthi, Manish, Mehul, Satyen and Tapesh 
>with Satyen in the lead?

It would be good to have someone on board who has done it before - so 
I'd like Venkat to stay on and be a super-adviser ! I guess we really need 
to figure out how many people actually read and will vote for the 
soc. group - remember that at the renaming vote, we would have lost 
without a single 'no' vote - because we didn't have the minimum number 
of 'yes' votes. So Ron Hira's mock election statistics would be good to 
have. Everybody who hasn't voted already please send him your vote - 
even if you're not a registered US voter - so we get a better idea of 
how many people actually read this group. 

Satyen
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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian (Re:To marry (Indian) or not ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:49:46 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Oct10.210705.8655@menudo.uh.edu>, mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S) writes:
|> From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
|> >|> >3) Because they are more family oriented, will take care of the kids
|> >|> 
|> >|> Yeah, but have you met the beer-guzzling, top-less bar going, chivas-regal
|> >|> drinking guys I have.  As as general rule I might aggree with you, but
|> >|> again it's becoming rarer.
|> >
|> >What's wrong with the above guy? :-) I thoroughly enjoy the above with
|> >the prediction that I'll be family oriented. :-)
|> >Ron
|> 
|> Nothing really, just suggesting that what the individual who is classically
|> considered family oriented doesn't do those things mentioned above.  And
|> if he does, doesn't that also describe most of us guys in general.  I was
|> implying that we Indian men are not any more family oriented, because of
|> our race or our upbringing.  I've met a lot of Americans in our "social 
|> class" who are just as family oriented.  Please don't take "social class"

I'd tend to disagree with you here a bit. The white americans and to a
certain extent african americans have it quite different from asian
americans in terms of their place in society. My parents were immigrants,
colored ones at that, so I would venture to guess that my family views
are quite different from a white american even of the same social class
(I'd prefer to say socioeconomic class here).
When you are a very small minority with no extended family, you tend to
stick together much more closely, at least in my experiences. 

However one adopts what one likes about the culture that one is exposed
to. I picked up the chivas regal from my father, but I picked up the
wild turkey from my "american" buddies. There you have it, a "true"
Indian American; I like scotch and bourbon (a bit rare these days). :-)
Of course it could be because I grew up in George Thorogood's hometown. :)

Ron
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From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: L.A. & II-IA relations (was Re: Lonliness in the US (WAS: Re: To Marry (Indian) or Not?))
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:16:49 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM


Bidushi:  Thanks for standing up for LA there.  As it's my hometown,
it actually kinda hurts to see how people bash it without being
completely familiar with it.  I'm actually from Pasadena and know
from a lifetime of personal experience that the people there are
friendly and sponsor a sense of community.  I found that to be true
throughout the L.A. area.  

As far as II's and IA's not relating.  I see it all the time.  Since
I went to high school in Pakistan AND because my closest friends
fall under the II category, I think it's fair for me to say that
you're right -- usually it is the II's fault that IA's feel
uncomfortable.  When I went back to Karachi in '85, I was a
"pucca ABCD" with no concept of desi culture.  Most people treated
me like a foreigner, a "ghora".  But the fact that I became very
close to many people there attests to how some actually made an
effort to be friendly with me.  In fact, the first Pakistani guy to
approach me and talk to me 7 years ago is still my closest friend. 
However, many II's aren't like that.  A lot of it is because II's
have a difficult time dealing with "ABCD culture" as they may call
it.  I mean, even for me, it was weird the first time I met an IA
jock/frat type when I came back to the States for college.

Many II's are very intolerant of how IA's are really American and
can't deal with it.  I've noticed one thing, however.  As my II
friends stay longer and longer in this country, some getting
married, etc., they begin to realize that their children may/will be
very much like the IA's they met in college.  While some may react
negatively to this, most have been in this country long enough to
see that it's not such a terrible thing -- they begin to accept the
fact their children will be part of American culture and society. 
In fact, many are very impressed by the best qualities of American
culture, join it themselves, shed their distaste for "ABCD's" and
become "DCBA's" --> Desi Came Became Amrikans or DBCA's --> Desi
Born Confused Amrikans :-)

Note -- I don't mean to offend by using the term ABCD.  I'm
using it to illustrate a point.  Remember I've been living with the
term all my life as well.


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From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: Last SCIA Vote
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
	<1992Oct12.225816.26778@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:04:27 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.225816.26778@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:


   I think Satyen should post the RFD and Mehul should collect the votes
   this time. Others should help Satyen in preparing a charter and argue for 
   its creation in the soc hierarchy. Mehul who has volunteered to collect 
   the votes should remain quiet during the entire operation. Although the vote
   taker may speak up during discussion, it will be better to keep
   quiet so as to avoid any negative backlash as a consequence of previous 
   two votes.

Thanks for the advice.

   My last words for a while. I am in deep remorse.

   Alok



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From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: Confusing gender names
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
	<1992Oct14.150627.14257@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:42:49 GMT


>>>>> "Alok" == alok.vijayvargia  <alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> writes:

Alok> In article <MSANGHVI.92Oct14031353@cs.ulowell.edu>, msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi) writes:
> 
>  >   Sorry for the confusion. I think it was 'Mehul' that confused me.
>  >  FYI, Mehul could be a name of woman in Hindi-land.
> 
>  >  Alok
> 
> I guess you learn something new everyday. This though is new to me. In my
> entire (almost) 23 years I have never come across a female named Mehul. And I
> grew up in Hindi-land (if you count Bombay as Hindi-land. I dont. Bombay is a
> world unto itself )

Alok> Let's make a list of confusing gender names:

Alok> 1) Purna (In Karnatka - man, in Hindi-land - woman)
Alok>    Note: In Hindi-land a man could be called Pooran
Alok>    Purnachandra would be written Pooran Chandra.

Alok> 2) Mehul (In Gujarati ?- man , in Hindi - woman most likely)
                   ^^^^^^^^^
                  yup! got that right


Also as for the composition of Bombay population...you pretty much covered it
completley yourself....except you forgot people from Punjab. Otherwise
Gujarati, Maharastrian, Tamil, Keralites, Goan, Kanada, etc.

Of course this was 6-7 years ago. But I doubt it has changed. Anyone out there
have a more recent demographic (correct usage??) survey of Bombay's
population?? 



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	Oh, dear, where can the matter be
	When it's converted to energy?
	There is a slight loss of parity.
	Johnny's so long at the fair.
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Mother/Father roles (was Re: Indian women in the Workplace India v/s USA)
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:19:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct12.183851.166103@watson.ibm.com>, saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:
> 
>  > Women have this unique problem of having to bear children.
>  > ( Ahaa, some may say 'why should they ?' ) This means that
>  > she has to devote a lot of time (years ?) to motherly
>  > chores.   A man does not have as much responsibility and
>  > consequently more free.
> 
> I do not believe that a man does "not have as much responsibility" with
> regards to children simply because he does not bear the child.  "motherly
> chores"?!  Other than breast-feeding, what does a mother for the child that a
> father is not responsible for either?  A father should not be excused as "more
> free" simply because of his gender.
> 

First a mother has to go thru pain of carrying the child for nine months.
Secondly a child is closer to the mother than father (emotionally speaking) 
in the early years of development. This simply is due to the breast feeding.
One gets closer to whoever provides the food. In this case milk of mother's
breast is the food for the child. A father could possibly use a baby milk 
food bottle but there still is the factor of bodily closeness.

Mother too is closer to the child in the early years because of the fact 
that she carried the child for 9 months in her womb. 

This emotional and physical closeness of the mother and the child makes
it logical that they would spend more time together.

Perhaps opinion of a psychologist would be useful in this area.
I am only an amateur in this field.

Alok
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From: hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE)
Subject: Re: Is the term "desi" appropriate?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:05:32 GMT

In article <POPAT.92Oct5092659@image.mit.edu> popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct4.165509.15344@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>> In article <POPAT.92Oct2153338@image.mit.edu>, popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat) writes:
>> |> 
>> |> How about Bharatiya?  Sounds much better to me (and makes more sense)
>> |> than desi.
>> |> 
>> 
>> Too many syllables. Desi is simple and good enuf.
>
>Well, "desi" makes no sense at all (particularly if it is to be used
>by non-Indians).
>
>Kris Popat
>MIT Rm. E15-391  Cambridge, MA  02139

oh, and bharatiya makes a lot of sense, if it is used by a non-Indian??

-harsh
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From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Subject: Re: Long hair and closemindedness (Was looking for attention?)
Reply-To: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.204101.21240@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>In article <samaddar.718902971@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>>Your relishing to shock your old friends at the garba dance is probably the
>>reason I found most plausible. Though the people you want to shock most is
>>probably your parents and rest of family. You are waiting for some II (
>>starting with your parents) to make some comments about your long hair so
>>that you can promptly pronounce them conservative and always doing things
>>SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE.
>
>Actually, as I stated in my article (wasn't it complete enough? :-) ),
>I have long hair mainly because I like it.  I do NOT relish entering a room
>of II parents and having the whispers going around.  If they would tolerate
>a little more, I could be comfortable around them.
>
>When I cut my hair short, my parents gave me hell because it was too short.
>Now it's too long.  It seems I have to fit between the acceptable range
>of values: a sidha-sadha sharif bundha, a plain simple boy with a plain
>simple haircut.

Interesting I've gon through the same.  But, on the same note.  No one
has said anything on GOTTEES or BEARDS.  My parents and their age-group
frown on both.  I don't know of too many II/IA parent that sport
either.  I've been told I look like a "terrorist".  I sort of like 
my beard.  I grow it in the winters.  It keeps me warm.  I sort of think
it's functional.  I'd think long hair would be the same way.  EngiNerd
practicality here or as a friend of mine would put it, "an engieer can
justify anything if you give hime enough time to bullshit"
>
>My parents actually don't object too much at all, neither about the hair
>nor about the motorcycle, and I'm much relieved.
>

Cool, what do you ride...

>Manish
VCD,  Puneet (D-Poon) 
 
              {:-()  EveryOne's Entitled to your Opinion  ()-:}
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Mother/Father roles (was Re: Indian women in the Workplace India v/s USA)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:47:30 GMT
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <samaddar.718987062@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:

>
>I wanted to say the same thing to Kateri/Amirthi. She can't really be
>that much against II and IA. Why else would she be wasting her time on
>acuai?

Hey, hold on a sec.  I don't hate II's and IA's...I just don't want to
date the men.  That's it.  Lots of them are friends of mine, and I
enjoy talking to them...

I'm sorry if I've given the wrong impression...

>Sumitro

 - Amirthi
-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Long hair and closemindedness (Was looking for attention?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:26:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct14.172001.22642@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.170158.21985@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) writes:
> >
> >This is the most outlandish fairy tale I've heard in a long time. You
> >outdo yourself, Alok. If I wasn't already attuned to your penchant
> >for silliness, I would have attributed other motives for this nonsense.
> >
> 
> Allow me retract the tone of my posting somewhat. I had promised myself
> to try not to call Alok names any more. However, that one really ranks
> along with the stranger tales I've heard in my life. I'm really curious,
> Alok. Where did you get it from?
> 
> -h

Harpal,
       You have been chasing me everywhere. I just want you to know that I 
do not appreciate it.

Now onto the question. I read something like that in secondary school
text books on history. 

Alok
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