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From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Subject: Re: USCF Charge for club race
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:17:01 GMT

Alan Tragarz writes:
>We first had to send a check for 1% (I think it was 1%) of the total
>prize money to be awarded. Next we gave $1 per racer for USCF insurance. 
>Lastly, the officials charged us 'travel expenses' of $51 & $35. I know for 
>a fact that one of the officers lives within 25 miles of where the race took
>place. My question is: Are these costs correct? What makes up the expenses? 
>Mileage? Food?

Except for the current insurance surcharge, the current rates are listed in
the USCF Rulebook under Schedule of Fees on pages 1-4.  Here's a quick
summary of the ones relevant to your question:

-- Permits --
Basic fee ..................................   6% of prize list per event
                                                  $15 per day minimum
If permit request is received late .........  12% of prize list per event
  (late means less than 45 days pre-race)         $30 per day minimum

-- Insurance Surcharge --
Licensed rider .............................   $1 per rider per race
Unlicensed rider ...........................    2 per rider per race

-- Race Category --
Officials are paid in direct proportion to the prize list.  To help
figure this out, races are categorized from smallest to largest as
category 'E' through category 'A' races.  In very rough terms, this
is figured as follows (see the rulebook for the real details):

	Prize List, etc.	Category
	----------------	--------
	>$10,000 in a day
	or $20k in series ........ A

	$5k-$10k in a day
	or $10k-$20k in series ... B

	$2k-$5k in a day
	or $5k-$10k in series .... C

	$1k or more but not
	enough for Cat. C and
	District Championships ... D

	Everything else .......... E


-- Officials' Fees --

Race Cat.    Chief Ref.   Chief Judge   Other Officials
   A .......... $150 ........ $100 ......... $75
   B             100            75            50
   C ..........   75 ........   55 .........  45
   D              50            35            20
   E ..........   30 ........   20 .........  15

-- Other Expenses --
In addition, the organizer provides each official with the following:

1.  Transportation round trip from the official's home and during the
    race or reimbursement for the transportation according to the published
    rates of the Federation (currently the lesser of 'lowest practicable
    air fare' or '25 cents/mile').

2.  For one-day races of 5 hours or more, either a meal or $5 additional;
    for races of more than one day, either two meals a day or $20 a day.

3.  Basic housing when overnight lodging is necessary before, during,
    or after the race.

4.  Reimbursement for other expenses that are reasonable and necessary for
    the official's duties.

-------
Well, that's it.  It'e pretty much like the payment rules for referees in
other NGBs.

If your official got scads of money and he lives only 25 miles from the
race, either something is wrong or there's some special circumstance of
which I'm not aware.
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas
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Subject: Newsflash: Alcala & Alpe d'Huez
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 15:51:59 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Despite previous rumours that Raul Alcala would follow PDM's (former)
team manager Jan Gisbers to the Spanish team of Festina (an altogether
logical move in my opinion), Raul Alcala has now signed for
Wordperfect under Jan Raas. Alcala will be the "kopman", for
which no English equivalent springs to mind (the main rider for
the big tours, help me out here). As there are a few brainless
Alcala fans here, I thought they'd want to know. It looks like
a very good move for Raul to me.
Alpe d'Huez will not be in the next Tour de France. The complete
schedule will be presented on October29. Brainless Dutch cycling
fans will have to find another Holy Mountain.
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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 16:08:30 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


-- 

love to observe that american love/hate relationship with french. while i
wouldn't argue that often french do not display much affection for americans,
the societe de tdf are a model of objectivity. by the way, velo sprint 2000
had a big story on tom simpson recently.
cycling, and world in general, does not turn around neither hamsten, lemond nor 
arstrong.

aaron

In article <1992Oct5.142638.24039@tamsun.tamu.edu>, colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen) writes:
|> I'm not convinced by the theory that rowdy spectators
|> caused Alpe d'Huez to be dropped from the Tour for next
|> year.  (As several people have pointed out, Bugno was
|> knocked off on the previous day's stage.)  Rather, it was
|> bad enough for the french to see dutch riders win that
|> stage consistently, but it was just too much for them to
|> swallow that an english speaking rider might win it! 
|> 
|> =D)
|> 
|> --
|> Colin Allen         INTERNET (& NeXTMail) : colin@snaefell.tamu.edu
From: machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Newsflash: Alcala & Alpe d'Huez
Keywords: ALCALA
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:33:18 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <92276.155159SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET> SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET (Willem Boersma) writes:
>Despite previous rumours that Raul Alcala would follow PDM's (former)
>team manager Jan Gisbers to the Spanish team of Festina (an altogether
>logical move in my opinion), Raul Alcala has now signed for
>Wordperfect under Jan Raas. Alcala will be the "kopman", for
>which no English equivalent springs to mind (the main rider for
>the big tours, help me out here). As there are a few brainless
>Alcala fans here, I thought they'd want to know. It looks like
>a very good move for Raul to me.


Ok, so who else is on El Raul's team?? The Brainless really want to know...

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From: harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Kathy Watt wins Australian road championship
Keywords: racing time trial
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:27:58 GMT
Reply-To: harold@cs.uq.oz.au

For those who are really into it...
Taken without permission from 'The Australian' Wed Sep 30.

Olympic cycling champion Kathy Watt had a comfortable victory in the 
womens 20km individual time trial at Gawler, South Australia yesterday.
Riding solo against the clock Watt, 28 covered the distance in 28m 29.49s,
finishing with an average speed of just over 42km/h.
Second was Ingrid Eadie in 28:57.29
Third was Cathy Hart in 29:57.54

Mens 40km ITT was won by Brett Dennis in 50:17.27 an average of almost 48km/h
Second was Paul Brosnan in 50:09
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From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:20:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <29SEP92.01202321@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>
>The new transportation bill that passed last year dictaites that all states
>must have a bicycle plan coordinator of some sort.  It would be good to
>have USCF members advising these people.

Why?

Among the cycling organizations I can think of, the USCF strikes me as less
likely than most to be able to advise on cycling *transportation* matters.
Racing on closed courses or in large, highly-visible packs is a rather
different thing from vehicular cycling.

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From: holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday)
Subject: Re: Heart Rates
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:33:42 GMT

>Keith Erskine writes:

>In rec.bicycles.racing, >Gregory Wright writes:

>> Does anybody know what the average heart rate is for professional
>> level riders? During climbs, pack riding, etc.

>Much lower than yours or mine would be ;-)

>Seriously, it varies so widely from rider to rider, from one point in a race to
>another, trying to determine an average is useless.

I got Winning Magazine's annual Tour de France special. They had a short
little article about riders and their heart rates. They said that the rider
with the lowest resting heart rate had a rate of around 35 (can't remember
his name, maybe Marc Madiot). They also said the rider with the highest
resting heart rate, Valerio Tebaldi (rides on Bugno's team and a multiple
TdF stage winner), had a _resting_ rate of 71. It goes to show that heart
rates to vary quite a bit from one rider to the next.

Dave
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: USCF terminates affiliation and sponsorship of USPRO
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep30.140617.18667@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:41:17 GMT

john.e.ampe writes:
   [.  .  .]  You have already told us that any distinction between
   amateur and professional riders in this country is purely artificial,
   so why can't we do away with the system altogether?  I would like to
   see a National Championship that gives us the best riders in the
   country, not just the best "amateur" riders.

I agree.  The USCF Board did approve my proposals to make both
cyclocross and madison national championships open to "pros" next year
and I believe that this change will percolate to other events before
long.

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From: greg@regulus.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Subject: Re: When is the Grand Prix des Ameriques?
Organization: Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:32:25 GMT

What time does the race start?
  ..greg

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Overwhelm them with small bugs so they don't see the big ones.
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From: frankw@rice.edu (Frank Whitby)
Subject: Immaculate GT Avalanche For Sale
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:18:06 GMT


October 10, 1992
Frank Whitby
Houston TX
frankw@rice.edu

Immaculate GT Avalanche For Sale

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All Deore DX components, Araya RM-17 anodized, Ritchy
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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:01:32 GMT

Les Earnest (les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU) writes:

> This year's success is attributable to a management consultant named
> John Carver who was reportedly hired for $7,000 a day to tell us how
> to get organized.

Hey, now that's the kind of job I want.


> These are exiting times!

Say it ain't so!


> In consideration of this threat, I plan to offer an amendment next
> year that will permit no more than one director to be elected from a
> given region.

What constitutes a region?

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday)
Subject: Re: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:28:02 GMT

<MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>wow, that's pretty surprizing--but no kidding, the fans were out of wack--that
>guy who knocked over Bugno--what a dork!  Also, how about that stage when chiap
>ucci passed the motorcycles and was fighting his way through the crowds?  that
>was insane--they should do something, but no alpe d'huez is silly--that's an aw
>esome stage.  later, maria at psu

Bugno was knocked over on the Col de Galibier.

Dave
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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: USCF terminates affiliation and sponsorship of USPRO
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:06:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.072757.11776@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
>In their meeting on September 27, the USCF Board of Directors voted to
>terminate both their sponsorship of USPRO and their affiliation with
>that organization.  USCF has given USPRO about $225,000 under the
>current sponsorship agreement, plus a substantial insurance subsidy.
>None of those funds appear to be recoverable.  Nevertheless, the
>termination is a very positive step, in my view.

Les, given that the UCI has now merged its amateur and professional
branches into one organization (as reported in the 10/5 VeloNews), and
given that most World Championship races will no longer have separate
amateur and professional catagories, how long will it be before this
happens here?  You have already told us that any distinction between
amateur and professional riders in this country is purely artificial,
so why can't we do away with the system altogether?  I would like to
see a National Championship that gives us the best riders in the
country, not just the best "amateur" riders.

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ggarduno@dante.nmsu.edu (GARDUNO)
Subject: Re: John Tomac's Luck Lately?
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:08:18 GMT
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: upgrade points
Summary: How many do I have?
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:59:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T

THis weekend I won a cat 4 race (saturday) and took second in another race
(sunday).  Sundays race was (at least the t-shirt I'm wearing says) the
Bank of Illinois first annual Criterium.  Saturday's was called The Sara Lee
Bakery Chicago International Bicycle Challenge.  

Anyway that should give me 12 points (7+5).  There's a little information 
in the USCF rules about upgrade points from attending training clinics.
WEll, earlier this year I went to the USCF rider clinic in Chicago.  This
would be the two day seminar that was advertised in Bicycling.  Is
this one of the camps that gives upgrade points?  If so how many?

thanks
John 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:35:53 GMT


>In article <29SEP92.01202321@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>>
>>The new transportation bill that passed last year dictaites that all states
>>must have a bicycle plan coordinator of some sort.  It would be good to
>>have USCF members advising these people.
> 
>Why?
> 
>Among the cycling organizations I can think of, the USCF strikes me as less
>likely than most to be able to advise on cycling *transportation* matters.
>Racing on closed courses or in large, highly-visible packs is a rather
>different thing from vehicular cycling.
>Eric House			

The intent of getting in good with the bike coordinator is that these people
can help set standard techniques for getting race courses approved etc.  
Roadways are intended for recreation as well as commerce, so getting input 
from recreational cyclists is important.  If a state policy recognizing
road racing as a valid recreation that transportation departments
should support is created, getting road courses should be easier.  
Paul Stek
Stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
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From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Collegiate potential (was: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting)
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:31:04 GMT


>Paul,
> 
>Having been the president of 3 collegiate cycling teams, and coach of
>more than 1 collegiate national champion, I would have to disagree
>with you that collegiate racing is the source of much racing talent.
>The vast majority of collegiate riders, even the very successful ones,
>do not continue to race seriously once they graduate.  It could have
>something to do with career opportunities but, while a good number of
>potentially great riders do develop under the collegiate program, few
>ever take it from there to become great USCF riders.
> 
>Roger (marquis@netcom.com)

Roger,
	I doubt that you remember me, I raced for Cal the year before 
you started there and hung out the following year. Anyhow, all of the 
top 5 finishers in the men's olympic trials were former collegiate racers. 
This is pretty good concidering collegiate cycling has only gotten orgainized
in a big way in the last 5 yars or so.  I gather from your suggestion that the
cycling careers of collegiate cyclists is limitted by too many outside 
opportunites duee to their getting a degree.  This may be true, but is that
a problem?  
Paul Stek 
Stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
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From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: Heart Rates
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:02:11 GMT

gregory@halcyon.com (Gregory Wright) writes:


> This is a good point. Is there a reliable way to obtain a good estimate
>of one's maximum heart rate? Once you know your "Red line" what percentage
>of this rate should you shoot for?

Published "estimates" are based on a population which includes many decidedly
couch potatoes.  They use 220 - age as the estimated max; and even an overaged
non-racer such as myself can regularly exceede that value. 

The only reliable way to get this value is to test the individual.


--
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From: dick@ncs.com
Subject: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:40:11 GMT


In article <29SEP92.01202321@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>Last weekend I attended the 1992 USCF delegates meeting
>in Washington DC.  

I enjoyed your comments on the House of Delagates meeting.  I was
there also.  My overall impression is that the USCF is doing a 
good job for the sport. 

Financially, the USCF ended the year with a $100,000 surplus for a
$4 million budget.  I think this shows good fiscal management.

>
>Other events:  There was lots of talk about what could be done to 
>help get juniors into the sport.

There was talk, but no decisions made.  I think it is up to clubs 
at the local level to stimulate junior racing.

>
>A long discussion with the providers of insurance to the USCF 
>was a bit disturbing.  It certainly appears that the real concern is
>liability prevention rather than rider safety.  

I got this impression as well.  

>I got the feeling that race promoters are under insured against
>a major incident like someone getting paralyzed or killed due to 
>a promoter error.  One incident like that could end the sport.

I also got the feeling that the USCF may be under-insured.  It seems 
to me that the $1 million insurance policy could be inadequate in 
the case of a major accident in which the USCF was negligent.  However, 
I am not an expert on this topic.  Also the presenters were from the 
liability insurer of the USCF.  They have no part in the USCF rider's  
medical policy.  I don't think the entire USCF insurance coverage was 
presented at this meeting.  

>The feeling that was really left in my mind was that the main object of the 
>USCF is producing world class athletes rather than encouraging the development 
>of bike racing as a recreation.

I got this feeling also.  This used to bother me, but now I think it is
appropriate.  The USCF has a mandate to produce athletes for the Olympics
and world competition.  This mandate is provided by the fact that they
are the governing body for cycling to the U.S. Olympic committee.  The 
USOC gave the USCF something like $600,000.  The USCF spent something like
$1 million on training for the elite athletes.  Pardon me if these figures
are not exact.  I don't have the figures in front of me and these are the
aprrox. amounts as I remember them.  This leaves approx $3 million in the
budget for everything else.  Considering the cost of insurance, salaries,
and other expenses, this is not a great amount.  After all, if the USCF
doesn't provide a program for the elite athletes, who will?  It's not 
something that can be done at the local club level.

>
>Notes: USCF + NORBA + NCCA membership = 56,000
>

I found the growth in NORBA to be interesting.  If the trend
continues, NORBA will have more members than the USCF in
2 or 3 years.


-- 

Dick Anderson
Minneapolis

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