From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:15:23 GMT

his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon) writes:

>In article 719030902@cwis, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>This is really pissing me off. People keep telling Donald that he's
>>being hateful and that it's as bad as a white person being hateful
>>towards blacks. What about how we feel towards straights?

>Please don't assume that "we" all feel the same towards the straight community
>en masse.

You mean to tell me you've never resented straight society? Whatever...

>Hating all straight men.  Does this sound productive to anyone?  This, 
>in my mind (as little as some may think it is!) further demonstrates
>the problem.  Hating a class of people is wrong.  Even if many in that
>class hate or have hurt you or your class. hating the hate is different
>as is hating those that have actually causes harm. You can't see the
>stereotypical harm of generalization here?

Maybe 'hate' is a bit too strong. 'Mistrust', 'feel uncomfortable
around', 'could lead a full and happy life without'... some of my
best friends are straight, but I'd rather be in a room full of
queers than in a room full of straights. I'd be safer, that's for
sure...

>>What I'm saying is very prejudiced. So fucking what? It's not like
>>I can use my feelings to harm the straight white male supremacy.
>>Nothing I can do can change the bastardization of the world around
>>me into a giant gogopalace/tractorpull. I can only hope for revolution
>>(or complete economic breakdown; which will happen first? Both can be
>>benefitted from...).

>WHAT?  It is OK for you to be prejudiced because most of THEM are?

Please. Most of the biggest raging bigots haven't even met a queer.
I'm surrounded by straights a good share of the time, so I know their
guidelines and their opinions, as I am expected to stay within them
and share them most of the time. The two kinds of hate are different;
their hate is a hate that would suppress, whereas mine is one that
would gain freedom. Theirs is destructive, mine is constructive.

>This makes the
>problem worse.  You can do nothing?  Only revolution will fix things?  I can't
>see any of this.  To take your argument further, the world of 1992 is no better than
>the world of 1882, 1682, 1282, or 82.  Do you really believe this?

Well, yeah... In all this time, all these hundreds of years, people
still suffer because of who they are. That's wrong. The hate's been
gentrified and codified, but it's still there.

>Certainly we
>have a VERY LONG way to go.  But you appear to deny the immense progress that has
>been made over time.  Would you have wanted to deal with coming out in the
>US in the 1950s (my hat off to those of you reading who did!)?  Or worse, in the
>middle ages?  How can you hope to stop others prejudice with your own?

I don't expect to stop the prejudices of others; there doesn't seem
to be a way. Look at other minorities; they've been fighting for much
longer than we have and still haven't gained equality. They're only
different *physically* from the 'ideal', whereas we differ emotionally,
and if the 'ideal' can't see past physical differences how can we make
them accept the intangiables?

I don't mean I've given up hope; I still fight. I just think it's going
to take a heckuva lot more than legislation and demonstration to win
our rights. I see nothing wrong with people trying to get legislation
passed and stuff, as these things will help to some small extent (and
I hope I'm not coming off as disregarding everyting that *has* been
done by our forefathers/mothers; we are safer, but we still are
expected to be as straight as possible, in exchange for our safety),
but this world is too filled with hate for any one legislation in our
favor to do any good (though things like the initiative in Oregon can
do *lots* of bad, because it condones and encourages hatred). Fine, I
hate the opressors. So sue me. [and this kind of hate, mind you, is not
doled out individually to each and every member of the Master Class;
it is reserved for this kind of metadiscussion and for individual
dealings with straights who fit the hateful mold] I don't intend to
hurt anyone with this hate; I only intend to use it to power my pride
and to protect myself from the hate bestowed upon me and my brothers
and sisters. I will not let them dictate how I should live, and my
realization that I am right and they are wrong is what helps me go on.

John, hoping this doesn't read like 'Mein Kampf'

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