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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:37:49 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Snakes and Ladders

Wait a minute!!!  Wait, a, MINUTE!!!!!

When I was growing up, we played this same game A LOT (this was in the late
60's/early 70's) and it was called CHUTES and Ladders.  The chutes were red
slides.  Is this the same game/different company (I think it was put out
by Milton Bradley)

Oops, sorry, No OMC. . .


Michelle "don't mess with my childhood" May
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: Worn out parts
Date: 28 Sep 1992 10:53:02 GMT
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  This is addressed to the guitar players; the rest of you might as well
take in a movie or grab a cup of java... see ya on the other side of this
post, eh?

  I guess the combination of aging and the lack of long playing sessions
over the last few years is finally starting to take its toll... it seems
my hand strength and endurance is slowly fading. At first I thought it 
had more to do with the extended chord shapes I've been messin' with
these last couple of years, since I never really learned how to do a 
whole lot with my left-hand pinky, and some of these chords have put 
that finger (and that part of my hand) to the test, endurance-wise, and
flexability-wise, both. Now it seems even basic barre chords start to
cause hand cramps after only 10 or 15 minutes... they're usually
alleviated if I stop for a minute or two between tunes, and even though
I've sworn off live playing for good, this is still not a satisfactory
state of affairs. So, what I'm asking for here are some tips on how I
might learn a way to relax the major hand muscles (the one for the thumb
and the one that enables your pinky to pull towards your thumb), and for
developmental exercises for those muscles. Is it that simple, or should
I consult a guitar instructor?  Or a physician?  Self-help (or "net-help)
sounds the least expensive, so you know what I'm most interested in... ;)

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:24:20 CDT
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Another Reminder

My fave classical selections (for today :-), in no particular order:

- Mozart, 'Jupiter' Symphony (41?)
- Holst, The Planets (esp. Jupiter)
- Tchaikovsky, Symphony #6
- Beethoven, Symphony #7 (esp. 2nd movement)
- Vivaldi, Four Seasons
- Handel, Water Music
- Shostakovich, Symphony #5
- Nielsen, Symphony #1
- Rimsky-Korsakov, Scheherazade
- Haydn, the 'Military' Symphony (93? 100?)
- Mussorgsky/Ravel, Pictures at an Exhibition
- Stravinsky, Firebird

Well, that's 12 so if I have to limit it to 10, cut the Vivaldi and, and...
I can't make up my mind - oh well, down with arbitrary numbers! :-)

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:06:39 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is there Anybody Listening?
              5 Oct 1992 14:51:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:51:00 EST <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> said:
>From: ISTS024%UABDPO.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU at INTERNET 10/5/92 1:08PM (1788 b
>Subject: re: Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2
>So what you are saying is this: Blues is the best kind of music in the world,
>because you like it. If any of us lesser people don't like it (blues) then
>we have no feelings and misunderstand the meaning of music. (a much much
>broader term). Anything that you don't like is trash.

I bet you called billy ray trash yourself, what i mean is i can't see how
someone can not like blues, beacuse of the feeling and because it's genuine
I didn't say all music is trash I named one band just because i don't
like it doen't mean it's trash and i like some country, gospel, jazz but
that heavy metal sucks IMHO..so listen to it if you want, but i'll still
have my opinion....L.W.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:26:53 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: yes, but...

>From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
>
>jcs,
>
>  Downtown Train was (IMHO) the best track on the Tom Waits' album
>'Raindogs'. Rod Stewart then did his version a couple of years later
>and unfortunately had a huge hit with it. Rod added nothing worth
>while to Tom's original, but seems to get all the credit for the song.
>
>  How about calling a truce?
>
>Paul

people who are arguing about something need truces. i didn't realize
we were at odds with eachother on this one. i just didn't understand
your rather cryptic message.

I remembered just as i posted my first note this am that rod sttewart was
just covering the song. i then posted a retraction. hey, i'm with you,
rod stewart is a bozo who adds nothing to the music world.

jcs
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:08:31 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2
              5 Oct 1992 24:57:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 24:57:00 EST <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> said:
>From: ISTS024%UABDPO.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU at INTERNET 10/5/92 11:08AM (2736
>Subject: Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2
>Alright Lenny, that's enough! Now you're fucking with one of my bands! Anyone
>who would call *QUEENSRYCHE* "assorted emotionless trash" obviously doesn't
>have a fucking clue as to what he is talking about. Geesh, I won't waste
>my brea.. er a... keystrokes on you.
>
>Why do I know that you will respond with a post that will read something like:
>"i would like to change my opinion regarding Queensryche...<insert 6 run-on
>sentences>...sorry if I offended anyone"
>
No apologies here IMHO your post and Queensryche is trash and anyone who
doen't get off on blues is void of feelings and misunderstands the meaning
of music. Please remove me from your Christmas card list. Thanks L.W.

>
>Lenny, Lenny, Lenny, - The Bloomster doesn't know anything about music?
>This gets my vote for the stupidest post ever on ALLMUSIC.
I've read the bloomster's post and he is intelligent about music, but he
blew it that time....LOVE....L.W.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:07:16 EDT
From:         Jake <ST102315@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Top 5 Lead Vocalists!!!!!!

>> 1) Bessie Smith                        1) Howlin' Wolf
>> 2) Janis Joplin                        2) Muddy Waters
>> 3) Billie Holliday                     3) David Byrne
>> 4) Aretha Franklin                     4) Robert Johnson
>> 5) "Big Mama" Thornton                 5) Louis Armstrong
>
>jwgh, for a first post you're doin' ALL RIGHT!
>Other than ejecting Byrne and probably finding room for Betty Carter in there
>somewhwere, I'm for it...(well, get Skip James in there too) (oh yeah, Etta
>James too) (actually I'd put Hooker in place of Muddy) It's STILL a good
>list!

<Ahem.>  I thought I _said_ that five was too few?  :)

>       BTW, how do you pronounce "jwgh"?

Phonetically, of course.

Actually, my name is Jacob "too many middle names" Wolf Gibney Haller...
but most people just call me Jake.

Bye for now,
jwgh
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:58:01 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Femalr Blues SIngers

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:48:25 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>I'm trying to think of some white female blues singers, so i can prove
>myself wrong since i got such a reaction. The only two i can think of
>is Bonnie Raitt & Janis, i knoiw i'm missing some so please post your
>favorite white female blues singers...thanks L.W.

Tracy Nelson.
Jo Ann Kelly.
Elkie Brooks.
Maggie Bell (not my fave, but she has her supporters)
The woman in The Insect Trust, whose name I forget, did a totally chilling
version of "Special Rider Blues."
And who was that woman that came out of nowhere a couple years ago with a
voice as big as all outdoors, a semi-hit called "Just Walk Away," with a
real bleak surrealistic video? I thought her voice was majestic... needed
a volume knob though.

Need any more?
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:10:09 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Faith No Mortification

A tidbit out of the Buffalo News, supposedly on its way to the nat'l news:

     Faith No More played at a local club Thursday for an  "appreciation party"
for one of the industry-bootlicking commercial rock stations, imaginatively
called 97 Rock.
     This station, along with a TV station, a few manufacturing companies, a
couple of sports teams and more politicians than we're aware of, is owned by
a very prominent (obviously) family.
     By hiring the ultra-cool Faith No More for the super-hip 97 Rock, the
with-it owners knew that everything would be awesome, not to mention profit-
able. How could anything go wrong?
     This way.
     1. Lead singer Mike Patton, no doubt out to please Jim Morrison fans,
takes off his clothes, turns his back to the crowd, bends over, and performs
"lewd acts with the microphone." (The paper refrains from detail on this
point.)
     2. Quoting the newspaper: "Another member of the band used his guitar
neck to perform lewd acts with the singer."
     3. Patton was hit with flying beer bottles (no, not stage props) and
later had to get his head stitched up.
     4. A (probably ex-) fan claimed that Patton got angry with the crowd and
bapped her girlfriend on the head with the microphone (I guess the same mike he
was being intimate with. Yuccck.)
     5. He reportedly also vomited and spit onto the crowd.
     6. Two complaints were filed with the police after the show; 4 witnesses
spoke to the police. Quoth a disconsolate John Ganter: "I've been to many rock
shows, but I've never seen anything as sick and disgusting as this. Everybody
was appalled at what Patton did. They just wanted him to get off the stage and
get out." Another called him "just plain sick" (as opposed to Baroquely orna-
mented and embellished sick.)
     7. As soon as their gig was over, the management of the club kicked them
out ASAP.
     7. Patton's apology: "I loved it and would do it all over again if I
could."
     8. The spokesperson from the band's management and the Slash/Reprise
label offers a consolation: "Mike said he had a great time in Buffalo and
the band did, too. They view the performance as a total rock 'n' roll assault.
No malice was intended. They'd love to do it again if 97 Rock would let them."
     9. The station refuses to comment.
    10. The Associated Press picked up the story and has run it nationally.
MTV and national rock magazines are reportedly interested.
    11. I just tried to call the request line of 97 Rock, in order to ask for
a FNM tune. No answer.

An aside: I wonder if the vomitee will ever wash that shirt again.

The Lizard King would be proud, don't you agree?
Rick
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:00:56 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      New NiN

Got the new Nine inch Nails this weekend.  Ya-hoooo!  On Pretty Hate
Machine, you got the idea that Trent Reznor could rock if he wanted
to.  On the new one (review follows) he actually does.

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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:03:42 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Classical Top Ten

Quickly, before the gremlins awaken this A.M.:

Gabrielli, "Jubilate Deo" --but only because I can't remember the damn number
                            of the Canzone I like so much. . . actually, that's
                            a lie; I like them all.
Weelkes, "Hark All Ye Lovely Saints"    --well, we got to have a madrigal
Morley, "April Is in My Mistress' Face" --the above was a lie; we got to have
                                          2 madrigaux.
Vivaldi, "The 4 Seasons"                --no comment.  Really!
Praetorius, "Terpsichore"               --all 300+ of the dances
Beethoven, "Violin Concerto"   |
Tchaikovsky, "Violin concerto" | if you have one, you have to have the other
Telemann, "Recorder Concerto in A" --another lie; I like so much Telemann
                                     I can't remember them all
Billy Byrd, "Sellenger's Round"    --but only because I played the damn thing
                                     so much, not because there aren't better.
Bach, "The Art of the Fugue" --well, you didn't think I was going to leave him
                               out, did you?

The above are in no order; I would kick & scream & and Do Unspeakable Acts if
forced to live without any of them.  It is also my Wednesday list; my Thursday
list is quite different (-:

Notice also there is no one after Beethoven on my list (except Tchaikovsky, and
he doesn't count, arbitrarily); this is because it is a well known fact that
Bach is the summit of western music & after Beethoven, it ceases to exist.  If
you don't believe me, just ask Hesse or Spengler (-:  Besides, you have to have
a hundred musicians to play these later johnnies--where's the fun in THAT?

Grumpily yours
Ken
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      "SOME GAVE ALL"

OK, I'm NOT a country and western fan.  In fact? I'm the
only soul in a family of five that hates it.
The only tune I can stand to hear is the one by Brooks-n-Dunn.
Ok... "Achy Breaky Heart" did get Single of the Year,
and Cyrus came in with Album of the year.
Nice goin' Billy...
OH... I heard the new tune by Garth.
I didn't really think it was that great.
----------
SOMEONE ANSWER A QUESTION FOR ME:
Did MICHAEL W. "SMITTY" SMITH play KEYBOARDS for some dude
on the CMA awards last night????
I've known that he played for Amy Grant for 8 years, but
"Smitty", goin' COUNTRY????
Hard to take.  I can see him doin' Rock, but COUNTRY?
Gimme a break.
I WANT FACTS!
"G"

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:07:03 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rick, are you there?
              24 Sep 1992 12:39:48 EDT from <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>

On Thu, 24 Sep 1992 12:39:48 EDT Gary Hanley said:
>	Will do. You'll notice me. I'm the one being blasted for liking
>_Skylarking_ and _Oranges & Lemons_. Well, I'm exagerating a little, but
>there are a few older fans on that list who don't like anything post
>_Drums & Wires_ or _English Settlement_.
>
>--
>Regards,
>    Gary Hanley
><ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>

     I'll have to second you thoughts on _Skylarking_ and _Oranges and Lemons_
(which oddly enough I just happen to be listening to).  I'm not all that
familiar with XTC's stuff prior to _Skylarking_ (my loss) but soon hope to
be.  How do you feel about _Nonsvch_?

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From: CC29@IONA.BITNET (Ilia)
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Date: 6 Oct 92 16:06:57 GMT
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Hello!
I came from Russia very-very recently and my friends there listen mostly
to old progressive staff, like King Crimson. Does anybody here care
about that kind of music?
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From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A bunch of has-beens

>Marmaduke (John Dawson) and a bunch of sidemen.  Marmaduke is as spaced-out as

I've heard a tape of M and his buddies from the early 70's, and it makes
me feel like Pavarotti.  Truely wretched singing.  HA! I just imagined
a duet:  Marmaduke and Sinead.  But what would they sing........

R
From: SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU (Scott Hammer)
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Subject: Shocked and Appalled/RIP
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:43:25 GMT
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First,

I'm just appalled, shocked and appalled, that no one mentioned that
yesterday was the 30th anniversary of the release, in England, of the
Beatles' first single: Love Me Do/P.S. I Love You.  Apparently the
versions of these songs that were released in the US have a session
drummer -- the British single has Ringo.

On a sadder note, Eddie Kendricks, of Temptations fame, died yesterday
of lung cancer.  He was 52. RIP.

Both of these items make me feel *very* old.

-Scott "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
From: spinli%puc001.pucsp.ansp.br@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Lilia America Spindula)
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        I would like receive information about music

                                        Lilia
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From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Any listeners of Hendrix or Dolphy?

>>q
>
>y

:-) 8  >----|
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:39:51 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Xenakis

On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:34:58 MDT Maid in Bedlam said:
>>On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:14:00 EST <JBRIN@WNEC> said:
>>>                                                Electronic Music is an
>>>oxymoron.
>>Just like "JBRIN@WNEC the rational conversationalist."
>>Rick
>
>omigod Rick... we've been hangin out together much too long... we're starting
>to think alike... oh... the horror!
>
Ooh, scary. Are you also starting to look like the accountant that you said I
resemble?
Hair standing on end,
Rick
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:02:43 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      singing

  Well, Leonard, a few years back I found myself in the same position (the
only one who would *dare* to sing, and the only one who knew the words), so
I became the singer.  Let me warn you, if you agree to do it, they won't ever
let you back out (unless you're truly bad, and even then....).  So, here's
what I got for you:

  - Your voice is an intrument.  How many years, how much effort, etc. has
it taken for you to learn to play guitar?  Are you now (or will you ever
be) satisfied with your guitar playing?  Singing is the same.  Don't expect
too much too soon.  Also, you take care of your guitar; take care of your
voice (mouth,throat,lungs).

  - When singing:  Breath. A lot. Often. Deeply.

  - Learn to use the microphone.  "Acoustic" singing (no mike) is as different
a beast as acoustic guitar is from electric, maybe moreso.  A microphone is
your friend; it can really make you sound better, if you use it right.  Practice
will show you what works best for you.  Also make sure the PA is set so that
you can hear yourself clearly.

  - Learn your vocal range.  Mine's pretty limited, so I have to rearrange
melodies, phrases, etc. to fit.  Remember too, that the audience has to hear
you.  My natural range is low, but it's hard for a low voice to cut through
the sound of the bass/drums.  The result is that I have to sometimes jump up
an octave, for the chorus, for example, to give the vocal that extra punch.
Also, you'll find you're voice is centered around a certain key, and songs
in that key will be easier to sing.  Go with that if you can; it's not
written in stone that Country Song #3 *has* to be played in G.

Hope this helps.

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:25:20 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Johnny Mathis

Again, according to NPR:

     Johnny Mathis is 57 today

(No, I didn't cross-post _this_ to BGRASS-L)

BTW, one of my favorite scenes in the movie _Diner_ is when they are
arguing about who is better to "make out to," Sinatra or Mathis.  They
pose the question to Boogie (the Mickey Rourke character), and his response
is: "Elvis."  To quote Carol, I nearly peed.

-Scott "Net.birthday.monitor" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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From:         Little Inquisitor <U17801@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: oh what a birthday surprise...

I don't think that John is in physics and astronomy for nothing; he appears apt
ly placed to appreciate psych/acid musical time travels.  Perhaps that's why he
 likes Hawkwind so much?  Renato

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:18:00 EST you said:
>
>
>Now SRC is a band I dearly love.  I went to so many of their shows
>back in the early seventies that I would hang out with Glenn Quackenbush,
>the keyboard player, between sets.  But I would bet that not more than
>five people on this list have ever heard of them.  Why on earth would
>
>To be honest, I can't recommend this disc to everyone.  The music
>is dated, and Scott's voice is not going to be to everyone's liking.
>But birthdays are an excuse to be nostalgic, and SRC's _Milestones_
>on compact disc was a most excellent birthday surprise.
>
>John McIntyre

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

John: Happy birthday! We older fogies sometimes tend to have similar tastes.  C
ount me among the five list members who's heard (and who even likes) SRC.  If i
t's late 60's-early 70's and has a psychy bent, I'm a sucker for it.  However,
I particularly like the keyboards on this one.  And wasn't there a character in
 one of the Marx Brothers' films named Mr/Mrs. Quackenbush?

                                                           Renato
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