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From: tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: yep i will post if I am 4 for 4 next week
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:43:32 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

Predictions:

Washington against Frisco: A really good game! Skins will win by a field
                           goal.

Cows against Eagles: Alot of fightings and penalties. Cows edge by a pin.

Chargers against Dolf: A rout by the lightings. SD 33 MIA 17.

Steelers against Bills: This time Pittsburgh will move up.


Skins against Cows
Chargers against Steelers               


                YO heard this first!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: S. Young - Get the facts straight
From: <PSYRDR@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 17:43:58 MST
Organization: Brigham Young University

Normally I read and don't respond to these postings, but I feel I must respond
to a post by Bill Tuthill.  Unfortunately, I haven't learned how to quote
directly from the net yet.  In his article, Tuthill claims that Young may not
be liked because he is a Mormon.  While this may be true, the beliefs that
Tuthill attributed to Young and Mormons were in error.  Tuthill claimed that
Young and Mormons:

1)  Believe that blacks are inferior.

This is not true.  As a practicing Mormon and an assistant professor at
Brigham Young University, I can tell you that all people, regardless of race,
are welcome to full fellowship in the Mormon church and are not subject to
racial discrimination.  African-americans or any other people of color are not
considered inferior.

2)  Believe that men can have more than one wife.  This is also not true.  Any
member of the LDS (Mormon) church with more than one spouse will be subject to
disciplinary action (i.e., excommunication).  Mormon men may not have more than
one wife.

3)  Young is not liked because he doesn't drink (the same with Danny White and
Marc Wilson).  This may be the case.  But really, how is this different from
the recovering alcoholic who refuses to drink?  Do we despise them because of
this?  And who's to say that Young makes an issue of it or that his teammates
even care?

To say that Mormonism may play a role in how people feel about Young may be
accurate.  But judging from this post, it is the misperception about Mormonism
that may be the real culprit.  My intention is not to introduce a lengthy
discussion of religion into a pro football bulletin board, but to simply ask
that posters be sure of their "facts" before they post something like this.  If
some of the "facts" were not meant to be taken seriously, they should have
been noted as such (e.g., :-)).  Anyone interested in Young's religious beliefs
is free to him or me.  Having gone to college with him, I'm sure we'd both be
happy to respond.

Bob Ridge
PSYRDR@VM.BYU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:27:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.220431.14516@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin) writes:
>In a rec.sport.football.college article,
>jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>>Minutes ago, Washington State junior QB Drew Bledsoe announced that he
>>will indeed make himself eligible for the upcoming NFL draft.  With a
>>somewhat shaky voice, he first enumerated the reasons for staying and
>>for leaving:
>>[...]
>
>We know that New England has the #1 pick in the upcoming draft, while the
>Seahawks will pick second.  I'm curious what those who are familiar with
>the Pats think of the probability of their picking Bledsoe.  IMHO, the
>Seahawks are an impact quarterback away from getting back to .500
>(perhaps even better) within the next couple seasons, and would certainly
>take Bledsoe if he were still available.
>Any comments?

Do you even know if there will BE a draft?  What do you think of New
England's chance of getting some quality players if college players
can go anywhere they please?

>
>John
>--
> John E. Martin    jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu     University of Puget Sound '92
>    Kent, WA      (formerly martin@ups.edu)    SeinfeldBC++RushBelaFleckDWeckl


From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:37:54 GMT
Subject: Re: DON BOELL - NEANDERTHAL TOUGH GUY
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Hey there pretty boy.  You are as transparent as glass.  It took me about
three seconds to discover what your hot buttons are and to press them.  Wow,
what a response!  We have identified that you are:

o immature
o sexist
o homophobic
o have no sense of humor
o have an IQ lower than your age
o have a sewer for a mouth
o enjoy wasting your compaines time by sending out vulgar email
o enjoy misusing company equipment
o have violated several communications laws with regard to your 
  profanity on this network

You are probably a gay man who hides in the closet because you are afraid
to admit your sexuality.  I will send all 18 copies of your last wonderful
email to the IT Manager at the Mayo clinic.  We will see if that person
enjoys your foolish use of company time and equipment as much as I have.
The sad thing is that you probably think you a nice, level headed, ok guy.
Please Chad, seek professional help now before your sad execuse for a brain
de-evolves any further.  You may also want to get some medication for blood
pressure as I'd hate to see you have a stroke.

As for sending stuff to HP - go for it.  Your the loser that started it.

Send correspondence to:

Lew Platt
C/O Hewlett-Packard Company
3000 Hanover Street
Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185

I am sure your supervisor will be talking with you in the next couple days
to discuss your termination.  Have fun on un-employment.

Your pal, 

Don

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From: davewood@piper.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Misc Info
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:31:21 GMT


A few notes...

1. I have graded all of the forms and dealt with all the mistakes in them.
2. I DID NOT send out mail to you if you form was messed up because I didn't
   want this to take 20 more hours.  If your score looks messed up, chances
   are good that you messed up the form.
3. The messages that follow will contain:
	Winners for weeks 13-17 (one post)
	Individual results for weeks 13-17 (5 posts)
	Official Final Standings
4. I graduate in May and will not be running the pool next year.  Thanks,
   its been fun.
5. Sorry the last 5 weeks were so weak on my part.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:14:22 GMT

In article <1if8j5INNqn9@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>In article <1if5fhINNl9@spim.mti.sgi.com> timl@mti.sgi.com writes:
>>Another update to the game at the Stick...
>>
>>Weather forcast for Saturday: Cold Windy and very Rainy...
>>
>>	Tim
>
>Things are already looking better for the Skins!  Maybe another
>mud-bowl?
>

niners have played in two "mud-bowls" this year at the 'Stick; the scores were
niners 27 miami 3
niners 24 detroit 6
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles finally win one
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:27:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1idqofINNomm@aludra.usc.edu> tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang) writes:
>
>
>
>I just hope I can catch a glimpse of Randall when he comes here to Pasadena...
>
>-Teh Kao

Don't worry, I'm sure you could get a seat close to his... sorry, couldn't
resist :-)

satish nair
giants (sometime this decade... maybe)
From: sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Weather in San Fran^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Pittsburgh
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:09:38 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Maryland at College Park

I am sick and tired of hearing about the weather in Candlestick.  Sorry.
How about the weather in THREE RIVERS?  The ice storm hits us down here in
the D.C. area at about 1 or 2 am, so what will happen in Pittsburgh
tomorrow?  Snow?  Sleet?  Ice?  Nothing?  Please post or E-mail quickly.

It will probably NOT affect the outcome, but I'd love to finally get to
root for a team in a Snow Bowl.

- Stephen

P. S.  Predictions:

Steelers 24, Bills 23 --- Gotta go with my heart on this one.  Best game of
the weekend.  Steelers field goal drive wins it late.

49ers 21, Redskins 16 --- I'd love to see the 49ers lose, and I think the 
9 1/2 point spread is ridiculous.  But they are 14-2 for a reason.

Miami 28, San Diego 17 --- San Diego will be playing this game for
legitimacy ("How many games do we have to play for legitimacy?  17-0 over
the Chiefs wasn't ENOUGH?"), and they should get it, but I'll give the bye
week to Miami and agree with the guy in the Washington Post who picked
Miami 'cause of Stoyanovich.

Eagles 30, Dallas 28 --- The recent stat that the Eagles went 11-5 with the
toughest schedule in the league and that Dallas's 13-3 was based on the
second-easiest schedule in the league is telling.  Dallas is good, but they
are definitely the most vulnerable team not facing Mr. Frank "Miracle"
Reich.  Game will not be as close as the score, as Eagles lead 30-21 late.


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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Dallas will win SB
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A778E1595E01700D@rambo.princeton.edu>
Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:58:01 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:55:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.144743.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> ,
rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>1A. SF has more and better Notre Dame Players:
>
>SF 28
>Dallas 7

Please don't contradict yourself.  Dallas has more and better 'Canes (-:

Dallas- 31
SF      - 21

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: nousek@astro.psu.edu (John A. Nousek)
Subject: Team of Frustrations: Cleveland Browns
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:45:17 GMT

While the Browns had a lot of success in the pre-Super Bowl days,
they have the unquestioned lead in one area of frustration.  They
are 0-6 in the game before the Super Bowl.  While most people
remember the three notable losses to Denver of the recent past,
and a few commented on the losses to Minnesota and Baltimore in
the old NFL title games, no one seems to remember that Cleveland
lost the title game to Green Bay, just before the first Super Bowl.
That was Jim Brown's last game, and one of the crucial plays was
a Frank Ryan potential TD pass that bounced off his hands on a
cold and muddy day in Green Bay.

I am pretty sure no other team has lost as many as six of the
games before the Super Bowl, and certainly no other team is 0-6
at that level of competition.

	John Nousek
From: sjp1@ohm.york.ac.uk (Stuart Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Greatest Comeback in NFL history
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:50:58 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <C0ArpL.29t@acsu.buffalo.edu> carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato) writes:

>By the way, this WAS the biggest comeback in history, no?

Yes, the previous one was a 28 pointer, possibly between the 49ers and
Saints if memory serves me correct.
I finally managed to find the AFN Europe and through a crackily
reception (no pun intended) caught the second half of this game and
the OT - incredible.

If that was the Saints who held the previous record for losing a
lead, looks like they repeated it - Eagles 36 Saints 20.
GO EAGLES!

BTW anybody else in Europe interested in listening next weekend, I
get the best reception on 873 KHz but also very weakly on about 1107 KHz.

>Mike C.
>"It is bedlam! Pandemonium! Fandemonium! Fantastic!"
>                       -- Van Miller, voice of the Bills
-- 
Stuart Porter <sjp1@ohm.york.ac.uk> |       "She'll see it later hon',
Dept. of Electronics,               |          her eyes are frozen!"
Univ. of York,                      |  National Lampoons Christmas Vacation
York, UK.                           |           *** Go Eagles! ***
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: Random Dallas THoughts
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:08:07 GMT

One question: how is Dallas in the mud?  The weather forecast for the
Bay Area is for more heavy rain Tuesday night, with rain on and off from then
to Sunday at least.  The 'Stick will be at least as muddy Sunday as it
was last Saturday.  Forget about any slashing runs - too many nifty moves
and you'll have a mouthful of sod...

I haven't seen much of Dallas this year, but it seems that Dallas emphasizes
speed and moves on both sides of the ball, and the mud could be a great
hindrance on E. Smith's cuts.

Anyway, I hope so :-)  Go Niners!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: The More Thing Change ...
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:23:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.153715.12807@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>The More They Stay the Same.  Five of the current playoff teams have played
>in at least 4 Superbowls (Dallas, SF, Washington, Miami, Pittsburgh).  Buffalo
>has played in the last 2 Superbowls.  The only newcomers are Philadelphia, who
>made one trip 12 years ago and lost, and San Diego, who has never been that
>far.
>
>It is odd that the dominant teams of the 70s are resurging; meanwhile many teams
>who were bad in the 70's and 80's still stink.
>
>Nix

HUH!??? You must have a memory relaspe here. :-) The 70's belonged to
the Steelers and the 80's to the Niners. Beg your pardon, but these
two teams are still in it in 1993, re: the '90s. The 'Boys had a
share of the '70's and they also are in the "thick" of it.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Fat lady is singing
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:01:43 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Central Florida

Uh oh... The Eagles just went up 3-0.  I can hear the fat lady warming
up her voice...

mark
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills Suck !
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:37:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <6fMm03gOc89Y00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>the chance to be the only coach to take a team to the superbowl in four
>successive decades (60s- Colts; 70s,80s- Dolphins; 90s???).

  I meant to say coach a SB team in four consecutive decades; not necessarily
the same team.  Has any coach taken the same team to the SB more than
two consecutive decades?

  Doug
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: newson@sequent.com (Newson)
Subject: Re: Steve Young + Joe M. < Steve Young
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:17:50 GMT

In article <93006.150544RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET> RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>Hi all,
>
>I'd like to find out what the net's prominent (and less prominent)
>niner fans really think about the Steve Young situation.
>
>You must all remember last year when Steve had to split the helm
>with Steve Bono, and where he did not produce many TD's. I remember
>everybody clamouring for Bono because he got all the TD's.
>
>This year Steve Young has had no such problem.
>But look what happened in the last game when he had to allow another
>QB next to him.
>Do you think the damage is already done? SF's first playoff game is
>going to be very very tough, especially since Washington seems to
>be ready.

Last year, the team was in termoil from the start. They didn't recover until it
was too late. This year is different. Young went in knowing he's the guy. I
think he still knows he's the guy, even with all the talks going on lately as to
who should start. The media, and fans can talk all they want, the team knows 
Steve is the man and intend to run with him.


=======================================================================
Don Newson,                                        Phone: (503)578-3872
Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.                       newson@sequent.com
=======================================================================
>I am personally hoping for a Washington - Dallas title game
>(and Buffalo-Miami in the AFC).
>Let's see....
>
>Rene Zandbergen


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Coughlin refuses NY Giants Coaching Position
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:18:16 GMT

Satish Nair (satish@a.chem.upenn.edu) wrote:


> Now THAT would make my day.  The GIANTS list for head coach candidates
> is pretty darn short and I don't think it includes any with the name "Bill"
> in it.

If this 'Bill' is a former Giants Head Coach, do we really want him? I
mean, why was Ray Handley made Head Coach??


> >Keeping my fingers crossed in little 
> >knots, please, please, please.......  I dont think I can take the suspense 
> >too much longer.

> Better take someone quick before the move Rod Rust up as head coach :-(

Hey!!!! Don't scare us like that! George and Wello just might do that!


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From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Two "West Coast" Teams in the Conference Title Game ...
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:54:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4fHyF2G00WDKA767JY
	<1993Jan9.004056.6743@europa.asd.contel.com>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 9-Jan-93 Two "West Coast"
Teams in t.. Bob Ashley@oasis.gtefsd. (2071)

> In article 5196@equinox.unr.edu,  schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell) writes:
> >
> >Okay, let's just s'ppose here.
> >
> >Chargers beat Fish.
> >Bills beat Steelers.
> >
> >Niners beat Redskins.
> >Dallas/Philly whatever.
> >
> >The pairings for next week would be:
> >Buffalo at San Diego
> >San Francisco hosts game.
> >
> >Now, both games would be on sunday, and both games would be on the west
> >coast.  Which game would be the "early game", starting at 10AM pacific
> >time?  I can tell you right now, the Chargers would get screwed, and have
> >to play the early game, fate is cruel to the Chargers in Afc championship
> >history.  San Francisco would "pull rank" and demand the prime start time.
> > Or what does youse think?


> I think it was a couple of seasons ago when the Broncos and 49ers both hosted
> the conference title games ... they had the Denver game start at 11:30 local
> time, which equated to 13:30 here on the East Coast.  The 49ers then played
> at 14:00 local, which was 17:00 out here.

you rule out the more obvious one one Saturday, one on Sunday. I don't
know if they'd do that, considering one team would get an extra day's
rest, but who knows?

--Vernon.
From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Rooney Rule
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:55:37 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <C0pM58.Dvp@encore.com> tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen) writes:
>gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>>Also, Miami could very well lose Mark Clayton
>
>As a Dolphin fan I would not have said this last year but with
>this years emergence of Tony Martin all I can is good riddance
>Mark!!  He's stated that he's leaving if he doesn't get a new 
>contract similar to Jerry Rice.  Yeah right! He's not worth 1.25M
>per year their paying him now!
>

YES!!  Get rid of "big-mouth" Clayton! Trade his sorry ass or let him
go as a free agent.  Did you see his stellar performance on Sunday?
He dropped the ball on his first pass and he fumbled the handoff from
Marino on the end-around play.  Then he ended up with *0* catches on
the day.  

And I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing him "guarantee" wins and
bellyache about the lack of attention he's getting on the field.  I
don't care how good he thinks he is, he's gotten to be as much trouble
as McKyer was.

Bye-Bye, Mark.

Curt
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions




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From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Delton Hall arrested for DUI
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:55:35 GMT

> = (hyderabadi) writes:

>Injured SD Charger backup DB Delton Hall was arrested last night at 
>1:30am for DUI. He was very intoxicated at the time, resisted arrest
>and supposedly slugged a cop. I guess that rules him out for Sunday's
>game as well as his future with the Chargers.

Just send him to the Broncos.  They don't mind.



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From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF Bashing
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:19:37 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: SF, Philadelphia, Dallas ...

In article <1id26qINNbov@spim.mti.sgi.com> anjaneya@m20_anjaneya.mti.sgi.com (Anjaneya Thakar) writes:
>
>
>>skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) .... writes
>
>>Candlestick IS NOT a good place tp play, a stupid city that builds a 
>>stadium three feet below sea level .... a lot of bull shit deleted
>> >
>Here is a guy with real class!!! He picks on the quality of the stadium
>to show why 49ers are not a good team ... go figure!!!! They won 4 Super
>Bowls which were NOT played at the Candlestick.

I said nothing about the team, the 9ers are one of the most respected 
organizations in the NFL. It's a shame they dont have their own arena
to play in. How many SB's do you have to win to get a nice stadium ?
The field at the stick is HORRIBLE, it's always soggy and muddy.

As for your attacks on me,
Piss off

tim