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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:12:31 GMT
From:         "Kevin V. Carosso" <KVC@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: Second l channel?
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> Okay, this is close, but when trying this I see that the "d" channels parse
> the user@host format in its entirety interpreting the host as a decnet node
> name, while the "l" channel will strip off the "@host" portion.  What is
> the best way to set up the rewrite rules in our homogeneous cluster (which
> shares the PMDF configuration) to get the decnet hostname to work properly.
> I'd prefer not to write a rule for each node to get it to work out
> properly.

Sorry, I should've included the rewrite rules to use.  I just set up a working
"headeromit" channel for alternate local delivery as follows:

    ! Rewrite rules for the local host/VAXcluster
    !
    SUMMER                                  $U@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM
    SUMMER.innosoft.com                     $U@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM
    SUNDAY                                  $U@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM
    SUNDAY.innosoft.com                     $U@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM
    !
    ! Special channel for "headeromit" on local delivery
    !
    NOHEAD.SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM              $U%SUMMER@NOHEAD-MAIL
        .
        .
        .
    l nox_env_to
    SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM

    d_noheaders nox_env_to headeromit
    NOHEAD-MAIL

The trick here is the "$U%SUMMER@NOHEAD-MAIL" rewrite.  SUMMER is a DECnet node
name within the local cluster.  With MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS set correctly for a
homogeneous cluster (7 in my cluster), the node prefix SUMMER:: will be stripped
by VMS MAIL.

> May I also suggest adding support for multiple "l" channels...

I'll have to let our architect (Ned) comment on this one.  Functionally it would
be the same as the alternate "d_" channel.  Perhaps it could short-circuit the
need to count on VMS MAIL to strip the local NODE:: prefix.  I don't know the
details involved, however.

        /Kevin Carosso
         Innosoft
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:08:50 GMT
From:         "Donald L. Nash" <D.Nash@UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      PMDF V4.1 and Jnet V3.6
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Now that Jnet V3.6 has hit the streets, has anyone tried it with PMDF V4.1?
Jnet's version of LMD.COM has changed substantially since V3.5, so I'd like
to get some word on if/how well PMDF's LMD.COM works with Jnet V3.6.

I haven't poured over it deeply, but it looks like the new LMD.COM has
support (possibly undocumented, I couldn't find it mentioned in the release
notes), for using an alternate mail delivery procedure.  Hmmm, might be
something handy for PMDF to take advantage of if it becomes officially
acknowlegded by Wingra, since it would mean that PMDF wouldn't have to
replace LMD.COM, and people like me wouldn't have to worry about changes to
LMD.COM every time we upgrade Jnet.

                                Donald L. Nash

Internet:  D.Nash@utexas.edu    The University of Texas System
BITNET:    DON@THENIC           Office of Telecommunication Services
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:11:51 GMT
From:         Ned Freed <NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: Help: How to get mail deliver messages for internet nodes?
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Dan already answered this; I merely want to add a couple of extra points.

If delivery receipts are an unworkable solution, the best we could possibly
do is to inform users when mail leaves the local system. We could implement
this if you think it is useful. However, I must emphasize that this in and
of itself means nothing other than what I said -- just because the message
has left the local system does not mean it has been delivered. It may be
stuck on an intermediate system or it may be stuck on the target host waiting
for final delivery. Messages can sit in queues of this sort for days or weeks
and this happens fairly frequently.

BITNET is actually not materially different in this regard. You do get
notifications as messages move from one intermediate system to the next, and
this is totally impossible to do in the Internet. (Not hard, impossible. It
would require changing the software on around a million machines. Impossible
isn't strong enough, actually.) But BITNET doesn't really give you
notification of final delivery in most cases, especially when a gateway
to the Internet is involved.

In summary, your users were depending on a facility that's really entirely
illusory. Any claim that those messages represent a guarantee of final
delivery is bogus. These users are now faced with reality (not a pretty sight)
and there's precious little you can do to shield them from it.

                                Ned
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:11:41 GMT
From:         "Karen Byrd, Med. School Computer,
              U of PA" <BYRD@MSCF.MED.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Addressing confusion
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l


Is the below a configuration problem? Or am I missing some
subtle logic?



>               The first of the two attached messages shows what I put
>in the To: and CC: fields when I sent it and is the copy that went to the
>second entry in the CC: field. The second attached message is the copy
>that went to the first entry in the CC: field. Note that its To: field is
>empty, whereas it should be EMPTY, and the CC: field is incomplete. I
>think PMDF must be garbling the header.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>From:  MSCF::PRING        15-DEC-1992 15:59:34.04
>To:    EMPTY
>CC:    IN%"Pring@mscf.med", PRING
>Subj:  delete me
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>From:  IN%"PRING@mscf.med.upenn.edu" 15-DEC-1992 15:59:42.96
>To:
>CC:    IN%"Pring@mscf.med.upenn.edu"
>Subj:  delete me
>
>Return-path: <PRING@mscf.med.upenn.edu>
>Received: from mscf.med.upenn.edu by mscf.med.upenn.edu (PMDF #12721) id
> <01GSCML1ZIDS0008US@mscf.med.upenn.edu>; Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:59 EST
>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:59 EST
>From: PRING@mscf.med.upenn.edu
>Subject: delete me
>Cc: Pring@mscf.med.upenn.edu
>Message-id: <01GSCML1ZIDS0008US@mscf.med.upenn.edu>
>X-VMS-To: EMPTY
>X-VMS-Cc: IN%"Pring@mscf.med", PRING
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________




        Karen Byrd, VAX Sys. Manager
        University of Pennsylvania
        Medical School Computer Facility
        Philadelphia, PA 19104 (USA)
        Internet: byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu
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From:         "Kevin V. Carosso" <KVC@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: Queued mail messages.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

>       When ever I look at the mail queues, with @pmdf_root:[exe]qm
>       all I see are mail messages with sizes and dates. What I would
>       like to know is why a particular message is queued. The "postmaster"
>       sometimes receives copies of mail to various users stating his
>       mail sent is queued for three days and will continue to be queued
>       for "n" more days, the question is WHY is this particular
>       message being queued and resent. Often the user wants to know.

All messages are queued.  That is the first thing that happens to them.  I
think the question you are asking is "how can I see why a message has not been
dequeued".  That is "why hasn't it left the queue and gone to wherever it
is supposed to go".

Currently the only way to answer that question is to look at the .LOG file for
the channel in PMDF_ROOT:[LOG] (for example, if queued in [QUEUE.MTCP_LOCAL]
look in MTCP_LOCAL_MASTER.LOG.  You should see error messages in there that
occur when the channel program processes the messages.  Enabling "master_debug"
for the channel by adding that keyword to the channel definition line in
PMDF_ROOT:[TABLE]PMDF.CNF may provide additional information around the error
to help figure out the problem.

In PMDF V4.2 we improve this a lot by logging the failures with the message.

        /Kevin Carosso
         Innosoft
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:42:57 GMT
From:         Bob Tinkelman <bob@CAMB.COM>
Subject:      Organization:-header and mail sent to host::in%"..."
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We share our Ethernet with another organization.  They sometimes
send Internet mail from their systems by addressing it
        To: OurSystem:in%"..."
I had defined PMDF_ORGANIZATION as a system wide logical, and,
as a result, their mail goes out with our organization name.

I can remove the system wide logical and use sylogin.com to define
PMDF_ORGANIZATION in the process tables instead.  That will result
in no Organization:-header for them.  While that's an improvement,
I was wondering if there was a recommended way to have this header
set depending on the originating DECnet node.
--
Bob Tinkelman <bob@camb.com>
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:35:58 GMT
From:         Jim Greenberg <GREENBJB@SNYONEVA.BITNET>
Subject:      PMDF Installs in a Heterogeneous VAX Cluster
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PMDFers,

Section 1.3.2 of the PMDF manual explains how to install PMDF on two nodes in
a heterogeneous cluster.  I think I understand it but want to make sure.

I currently have PMDF running on one node no problems.  I now want to install
it on the other, each having their own QUEUE, LOG, TABLE, etc. directories.
In fact, they will be on different disks. I realize I could share the EXE
directory but don't know how if PMDF_ROOT has to point to a different place
on each node. So lets say I will have two of those also.

I now have the PMDF startup files in my SYS$COMMON:[000000.SYS$STARTUP] dir
from the first install.  This points the PMDF_ROOT to the correct place for
the current install.  When I install the second node, won't it will overwrite
(create a new version) of this file since the nodes share a common startup
disk.  Don't I have to break up the startup so the two startups are in
specific not common areas?

The manual says the startup files will be installed in the specific areas but
that is not what appears to have happened with my first install.  Did I miss
something?

Does it sound like I know what I'm doing? Anything else to worry about?

Jim Greenberg
SUNY College at Oneonta

"Someone lifted the Lorax away."

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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 92 08:20:30 GMT
From:         "Kevin V. Carosso" <KVC@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: Adding a worldwide-known "alias" ?
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

You've got it mostly right.  Add a rule to PMDF to remap the bogus address to
your official-local-host name, as you said:

        !Currently this rule is in the file:
        psulias.psu.edu $U@psulias.bitnet
        !Should I add this one to do it all?
        lias.psu.edu    $U@psulias.bitnet

The purpose of the rule is to make sure your PMDF recognizes anything with the
other name and delivers it locally.  Without the rule, your PMDF will put it
back out on the network and it will go nowhere.

> What do I need to tell my DNS manager?  "Add an MX record for the address
> 'lias.psu.edu' pointing to the same IP address as 'psulias.psu.edu' currently
> points to" ?

Almost right, except that an MX record does not point at an IP address, it
points at a name. In your case you want it to point at "psulias.psu.edu".

        /Kevin Carosso
         Innosoft
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 92 05:20:50 GMT
From:         "Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr" <TERRY@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU>
Subject:      RE: default routing in Jnet V3.6
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Kevin V. Carosso <KVC@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM> writes:

> Depends a bit on what Jnet default routes mean.  If it is purely a Jnet issue
> and has nothing to do with mail, then PMDF won't know or care anything about
> Jnet default routes.  I suspect this is the case.

  Correct. I have been running with default routes on all my BITNET systems
except for my external gateway for at least 6 months with no problems. All
the default route does is tell the local Jnet that "in the absence of an ex-
plicit route for system "X", send it out link "Y". This is useful if you
have a number of Jnet systems, as you only have to update one host's routing
tables. [I suggest that you still run full routes on your external gateway
system(s), as sending traffic for nonexistent nodes to your Jnet neighbors
is (I feel) not polite].

  Since PMDF uses the info in XMAILER.NAMES and DOMAIN.NAMES, it will still
refuse to let you sent to a nonexistent BITNET host, even if a Jnet default
route is configured (as long as you keep those files updated 8-).

        Terry Kennedy           Operations Manager, Academic Computing
        terry@spcvxa.bitnet     St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
        terry@spcvxa.spc.edu    +1 201 915 9381
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From:         DVANAREN@CHARLIE.USD.EDU
Subject:      RESEARCH

To Researchers and Practitioners in Higher Education:

I am writing to get your ideas concerning on what books, articles or other
publications which you think reflect the most imaginative, non-traditional, or
distinctive thinking and/or practices in higher education research.  I am the
associate academic dean at Teikyo Westmar University.  We are currently in the
process of modifying our mission, structure, and curriculum  to become a
innovative and international institution with campuses in Iowa, Colorado, Tokyo,
and the Netherlands.  We are at the reading the research and others' practices
phase in our strategic planning.  Please drop me an e-mail
(DVANAREN@CHARLIE.USD.EDU) with the name of the publication and its author.
Thanks for all you help.
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From:         Jim Layton X <JRL721F@SMSVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Request for information -- direct to JRL721F@SMSVMA.BITNET

Dear Members of the Network:

Happy winter holiday season to each and every one. . . . Before you com-
plete final grades, academic actions, or whatever you are about this time
of the year would you assist me?

I need to determine reasonable salaries for two positions and am asking if
you have comparable positions at your institutions.  Space does not allow
for a complete job description.

Position #1:  Directer: Center for Academic Advisement for Undecided Students
                        and Studlent Orientation and Registration (SOAR)

This is a 12-month position, administrative, no teaching responsibilities and
is not tenure track position.  The center has 6 professional advisors, two
graduate students, and several student workers.  The director reports to the
Associate Vice President of Academic Services/Academic Affairs.  It is a rela-
tively high profile/stressful position.  Master's Degree is required; 5 years'
experience. . . (teaching, advisement, administration).
SMSU has 20,000+ students; 4,000 undecided/premajors. . . . .

Any ideas of a salary shall be appreciated.

Position #2: Assistant to Associate Vice President, Academic Services in Office
             of Academic Affairs

A master's degree is required with at least one year of service in higher edu-
cation in teaching, tutoring, supervising tutors, assisting the associate VP in
areas such as supplementary course fees, NCAA credentials of student athletes,
various activities such as SOAR, other orientation events (especially for minor
ities, protected groups, adults, etc.), works evenings and weekends without too
much warning, etc.  Any help on this type position shall be greatly appreciated
very much.  We created it this year, therefore it is difficult to describe as
you can tell. . . .

Sorry to trash your screen with this, but I do need help. . . .
                                                               Sincerely,
                                                                         Jim
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From:         "David L. Arnold" <DLARNO01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Books re Research

Research Administration
Phone: 588-8363
Thanks much!  DA
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From:         GILBERT KLAJMAN <KLAJMAN@APOLLO.MONTCLAIR.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Higher Education E-Mail Lists

Yes... SECUSSA.
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From:         Ralph Lewis <rlewis@CSULB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Higher Education E-Mail Lists

doyle Cozadd c73221dc@wuvmd has a list for international student issues.
write him for further info.
Best Wishes, Ralph Lewis, rlewis@csulb.edu
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From:         "Carl Briggs, Public Relations" <BRIGGS@AB.WVNET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Higher Education E-Mail Lists

could someone tell me if there is a mailing list for international
student issues?  thanks
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From:         "Carl Briggs, Public Relations" <BRIGGS@AB.WVNET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Higher Education E-Mail Lists

Ralph
Thanks for your message about international student issues.
The Net never takes a day off...
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From:         GL250267@VENUS.YORKU.CA
Subject:      Rector, Budapest

URGENT!    URGENT!    URGENT!    URGENT!    URGENT!    URGENT!

        *    *    POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT    *    *

RECTOR, the Hungarian Academy of Craft and Design, Budapest


                                                            17th December, 1992
  CALL FOR APPLICATIONS


The Hungarian Academy of Craft and Design, Budapest, invites
applications for the position of Rector. The appointment is
for a three year term. Proficiency in Hungarian is required.

  Terms of competition
  ____________________

Applicant's will be required to demonstrate;

-  extensive understanding and familiarity with the practice
   and the theory of the applied arts at a tertiary level.
-  exemplary standing in the profession and in public life.
-  extensive and current international connections in the
   field of designer training.
-  proficiency in Hungarian and at least one other language


  The application shall comprise the following
  ____________________________________________

  - a detailed professional autobiography
  - concept and rationalization for the development of the
    Academy's training program
  - ideas on the management of the institute
  - documents: copies of the degree, of the certificate of appointment to full
    professor.
  Patterns for the content, enclosures of the application are the guidelines in
  the 1992. 1. issue of Muvelodesi Kozlony.

  Time-limit of submission:  30th December, 1992.
  ________________________

  The applications are to be sent to the following adress:
  Magyar Iparmuveszeti Foiskola Rektori Hivatal
  {Rector's Office at the Hungarian Academy of Craft and Design}
  H-1121 Budapest, Zugligeti ut 9-25.
  Telefon/fax: ++ 36-1 176-7488
  E-mail: h2304zol@ella.hu


  The qualifying committee will present the applications to the university
  board by which the applicants will be heard.

  The suggestion for nomination the applicant{s} will be submitted to the
  Ministry of Culture and Public Education by the board of university.

  Any information concerning the competition can be asked for at the Rector's
  Office of the Academy.


                                        Peter Csikszentmihalyi
                                        rector
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From:         Scot Lingrell <SLINGRE@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Books re Research
              18 Dec 1992 09:40:57 EST from <DLARNO01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Although I am not Terry, i have the reference for the "harvard report"

Light, R.J., singer, J. D., & Willett, J. B. (1990).  By design.  Cambridge,
MA:  Harvard University Press.

Another work you may be interested in comes from Alverno College.

Earley, M., et al. (1985).  Valuing at Alverno:  The valuing process in liberal
education.  Milwaukee, WI: Alverno College Productions.

Sorry, but I still do not know how to underline on this thing (IBM) I'm used to
my MAC!

SCOT A. LINGRELL
2 EAST HELEN NEWBWRRY JOY SSC
UNIVERSITY ADVISING CENTER
WAYNE STATE UNIVERSITY
DETROIT, MI 48202
(313)577-3131

SLINGRE@WAYNEST1.BITNET
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