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From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Re: Glock doesn't *need* a safety (Re: .40 S&W Help Sought)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:37 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group


/ iftccu:rec.guns / hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) / 12:40 pm  Oct  6, 1992 /

#BTW, how do you practice jam recovery if your gun never jams?  I know most
#1911's give their owners lots of practice (-:{, but my SIG hasn't given me
#any.

Well, if your gun will feed empties like my 1911 :-) you can simply add 
an empty or two to a magazine.  One gives a good tap-rack-bang drill.  
Two in a row can simulate a stove pipe or similar failures.  

Good marks to shoot for, (according to Farnum's standards) are 3 seconds 
from 'bang' to 'bang' for the 'tap rack bang' and 10 seconds for the 
full clearing procedure. (tap rack click, lock, strip, work, tap
rack bang)

What?  Your gun won't feed empties?  There are dummy rounds available 
that you can use.  I believe there was a fair discussion of these only 
a few weeks ago.

Seriously, if your gun jams a lot, regardless of type, it isn't a good 
self defense arm.  I can't recall the last time I had an unintentional 
jam in my defense 1911.  I've put approaching 10,000 through it.  Never 
had any problems feeding ball.  After a ramp and throat job a couple of 
years ago it feeds semi-wad cutters, hollow points, empties and your 
house slippers, if they are small enough to go in the magazine. :-)

Change ammunition, and if that doesn't work, get your gun checked.  
If that doesn't work, trade it on something that does!

Rick.

Reduce violence in America.  Kill your TV.  Do it today.
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Ruger P-85 grips sought
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:15:05 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

In article <2ZuHsB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, bluemoon!jbt@gator.rn.com
(John Blase Tipshus) writes:
|> I am looking for some unique grips for my Ruger P-85 9mm.  Something
|> |> that stands out, but is also functional.  Any suggestions?  Also,
|> what is 
|> a good price for additional clips?  I can buy one for $16.95 and it
|> is a 
|> Ruger item.  Is that a good price?  
|> 
  Uncle Mikes makes laminated grips for it right off the shelf
I also imagine Pachmayer makes them by now also but I
may be wrong, If you have the time why not try making
your own ? it is normally a lot of trial and error
but they will be unique.


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From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Carrying while hunting - CCW
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:58:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: relay2.9210150201.AA29698
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.



In Virginia, it is strictly forbidden to carry a regular firearm while
hunting during bow and muzzleloading season (defined as when only
these forms are permitted).
 
Very interesting, considering there are conflicting statues (as
opposed to regulations) that permit open carry for self defense.
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From: towle@vssteg.enet.dec.com (Clark Towle Gunsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Smith model 27 wear
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:13:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct16.140419.11465
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <199210131731.AA23086@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes...
#Since I've moved to Colorado, I seem to be getting to a range _much_
#more often (100 rds/week) and my revolver is starting to show some
#wear. The cylinder is getting a little loose (which I'm keeping
#an eye on, but isn't too significant at the moment); but what 
#puzzles me is the wear to the bluing: About 1/4" from the front
#end of the cylinder, at the side edge of the grooves (I forget
#what the're really called...) and in a small spot exactly between
#these grooves. As far as I can tell, this part of the cylinder
#never contacts _anything_, although it is under a old, empty screw hole
#in the frame (from a scope mount I got rid of.) So I'm at a loss
#to understand why the bluing should be wearing there and not anywhere
#else...

 If you are shooting cast bullet loads what you are seeing is probably lead 
dust/powder residue in the cylinder flutes and not blueing wear.

 Try one of the lead removing solvents and a tooth brush to remove it.
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Low brass (was 12 guage recoil: how to limit?)
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:15:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttinews.1992Oct16.234535.19872
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <viking.719124813@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
}ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:
}
}#finally ammo choice. For the least recoil, get a heavy gun with a good 
}#stock fit and recoil pad, and shoot "low brass", "dove&quail", or "skeet" 
}#loads. With these steps, even a small child can handle a 12 gauge.
}
}	Alright, "low brass" means the brass butt of the shell is only
}about 1/4" an inch long or a bit less, and in high brass it's 3/4" up
}the side of the shell (these are guesstimates).  What's the reason?

As it was explained to me:

It used to be (back when men were made of iron and shot shells were made
of paper (-: ) high brass was used for hotter loads to help contain the
higher pressures.  With modern guns and plastic shells this is no longer a
consideration.  You can even get all-plastic, no brass shells these days.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
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From: morlan@afit.af.mil (Bruce W. Morlan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Carrying while hunting - CCW
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:15:12 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology


In Ohio (and I presume elsewhere), when you are hunting an in season
animal (say, deer with a black powder rifle), you are not allowed to carry
a second gun (e.g., a 357 pistol), presumably to keep you from using the
"more accurate" weapon to actually make the kill.  The actual details
aren't my area of expertise, but I know that when I black powder hunt,
I carry a quickloader in part so I can administer a second, mercy shot,
as soon as possible (it's not like I plan to be able to load and fire a
second shot after missing with the first while the deer sits and contemplates
the funny sound).  I didn't feel the need to carry a second gun when
using cartridge weapons because the primary hunting gun was easily used
for a mercy shot if needed.
-- 
Bruce W. Morlan, Major, USAF             Air Force Institute of Technology
Dept. Department Head                    AFIT/ENC
Department of Mathematics                WPAFB  OH  45433
From: glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Good news for Glock owners!
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:04:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigguy.9210141507.AA00346
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida

I sent a letter in to Glock, Inc., a while ago asking about what I would 
need to do in order to get Trijicon sights.  For those who do not know, 
Glock offers Trijicon and Meprolite sights for $110 on all glock models.  
The reply I got was terrific!

Right now GLock is having a sale on Trijicon and Meprolite sights: $59.40!

That's right; for about $60 you can have Trijicon sights on your Glock!

Now, the question is: which are better, Trijicon or Meprolite.  From what I'
ve read, Trijicon seems to be the way to go.  Can someone out there give me 
some more info?






Joe

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From: dlamber@andy.bgsu.edu (Don Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Smith Enterprises ??
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:56:10 GMT
Organization: BGSU University Computer Services

I'm looking for the adress of Smith Enterprises. I know they are located in
the South Western U.S. They aslo have one of the best reputations of M-14
recievers.
Any help would be apperciated.


Don Lambert
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University
        	       	       	       	       	       	
INTERNET : dlamber@andy.bgsu.edu
From: bww@hpqtdlm.sqf.hp.com (Brian Woodroffe)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re reloading 308W
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:21:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpqtdlm.9210090843.AA29135

150g Nosler ballistic tips a "real" accurate too.

I load them with 47.5g of Vitavouhri N140 powder to give about NATO speeds.
A fairly stiff load but it works fine in all the rifles of our target rifle
club.

Regards,
Brian Woodroffe
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 6 mm PPC "Space guns"?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:48:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Oct12.145431.7871
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

I don't know how it is where you shoot, but where I shoot those crazy
"Space Guns" have been cleaning up the NMC competitions. In case you
aren't familiar with the term, a "Space Gun" is a match rifle, built
on an AR15  action with the handle ground off and fitted with a target
rear peep sight. The barrel is free-floating inside a tubular-steel
handguard and fitted with a Tompkins type front sight.

Now, I have been hearing about a new "Sporter" from Colt in 7.62x39
(M43 Russian) and my initial reaction was a well deserved (IMHO) yawn.
But wait a minute! The M43 was the  basis of at least one truly great
cartridge: the 6 mm PPC. My Serria manual shows loadings for the 
6 mm PPC that push a 70 grain bullet at 3200 fps. I wonder, if the
7.62x39  Colt Sporter could be used as the platform on which to build
a "Space  Gun" in 6 mm PPC ? Would that be an awsome combination, or
what! 

Am I way off-base here? This seems so ovbious. Has anyone tried this?
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb
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newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet
From: lairdb@crash.cts.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Navy Seals and Barett Sights (Movie Fantasy)
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:20:53 GMT
Organization: "Well, a head on top, an arm on each side, two legs...."

In <624@bongo.UUCP> julian%bongo.UUCP@nosc.mil (Julian Macassey) writes:
#In article <9210100144.aa10817@s.s.ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
#	Blue Thunder.
##but at the beginning of the movie there is a disclaimer that
##says "the weapons and technology depicted in this film are real and in use
##today" or something to that effect.
#	Yes, total fantasy. In use today on the sets of Hollywood
#studios.

Julian, usually you're right on track, but be careful when you stray 
onto strange ground.  :-)   

#	Well yes, we can evesdrop via various ways, but not the way
#shown in the movie.

Errrrm.  Guess again?  Recall that in those scenes the surfaces "seen 
through" were ordinary plate glass, and somewhat gauzy curtains.  Assuming
the so-called "whisper mode" functioned well within the area that the
helo's equipment was (one of my few objections) then the audio was
equally trivial.

# Hollywood takes a grain of truth and drops it in a
#bucket of B.S.. Several postings in the past about various weapons have
#pointed this out. Even the noises of weapons are often wrong.

Frequently.  Virtually always with weapons.  Often with technology.  (Just
not this time.)

#	Quiet? Yes, it doesn't pump air, yet stays up in the air. What
#a breakthrough! How wish this one worked. I wish it everytime another
#LAPD chopper turns over my apartment at 1 AM.

They never said it didn't pump air, just that observers couldn't hear it
at some distance (c.f. my earlier nitpick.)  Not at all the same thing.
I'm not aware of the technology I have in mind being applied to helo's,
but it has been applied to similarly loud devices.

#	This magic helicopter in the movie was made with matt black
#paint and paper towel rolls. Some of the locations were real, the LAPD
#chopper port and the LA river. The spot where they evesdropped on the
#conversation was the Federal Building (spook central) in Westwood. But
#then they were able to fly between downtown LA and the San Fernando
#valley (to watch a naked girl in an apt) in just seconds. Yes,
#Hollywood never lets common sense and reality get in the way of a
#story.

Oh come on, travel-time nitpicks?   :-)

Esteemed moderator:  We've established that no-one believes in the
brick-wall imaging, that some do and some don't in the glass-and-curtain,
and the rest of this is waaaaay off charter.  Can we kill this?  Anybody
desperate to continue can move to rec.arts.sf.science, okay?

	[MODERATOR:  It does seem like this thread has pretty much
	 run its course.  How about it folks....?]

-- 
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Reloading advice needed
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:15:31 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

bluemoon!jamaass@gator.rn.com (Jeffrey A. Maass) writes:
 
#mailrus!gatech!fisher.eedsp.gatech.edu!tucker@uunet.UU.NET (Jeff Tucker) writes:
## How long does it take to offset the initial costs of reloading 
## equipment?  I'm talking about minimalist stuff, probably adequate
## for 100-200 rounds a month, max.  I'm not a real big shooter right
## now.  (But, if it weren't so expensive I might get that way.)

	I got a $17 Lee loader and reloading works for .45 ACP and 9mm 
for about $60 total.   In .40 or .45 you will pay for your works (a 
simple single stage press) after 4 or 5 boxes of ammo.

[ ...talks of $1400 to get started ]
#You can start reloading for less than $300 and produce safe, quality 
#rounds. Resist the advice of thos who will try to steer you
#towards the handheld presses that are super cheap. Get a quality
#single-stage press or quality progressive (DILLON, Square Deal B
#or RL-550B). Get a good scale. Get a few reloading manuals. Get
#stainless dial calipers. Get a kinetic bullet-pulling hammer. 
#READ ABOUT HOW TO RELOAD.

Do all that, but know that if you want low volume, you may be
perfectly happy with a fine single stage device such as I have.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: breck@aim.com (Breck Beatie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: M1 Garand for sale
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:20:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: aim.1992Oct13.002527.7891
Organization: AIM Technology

I have an accurized M1 Garand that I would like to sell.  It has a 1 in 10"
twist Douglas barrel chambered in .308 Winchester.  I have fewer than 1500
rounds through it.  It has had a basic accurizing job done on it, including
bedding the receiver.

I would like to get $650 for the gun, but feel free to make an offer.
-- 
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From: bluemoon!jamaass@gator.rn.com (Jeffrey A. Maass)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Hi-Power parts
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:58:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: bluemoon.5LHNsB1w165w
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla) writes:

# Does anyone know a good source of replacement/performance parts
# for Browning Hi-Powers??

Cylinder and Slide (AKA "Competition Parts"), POB 937, Fremont NE 68025,
(402) 721-4277. Orders only at 1-800-448-1713.

They have all sorts of goodies for the Hi-Power. Check out American
Handgunner for large (2 page) ads. In the Sept/Oct issue, it's on 
pages 62-63.



Jeff Maass                   Amateur Radio: K8ND (@ W8CQK)
Powell OH (NW of Columbus)         Netmail: jamaass@bluemoon.uucp
From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .45 Win. Mag. pistols?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:23:24 GMT

pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:

-> #Well, Grizzly makes the LAR in .45 Win Mag.  This looks pretty much like a
-> #1911 with a much larger frame, and the ones I've seen have had a compensator
-> #at the end.  They're beautiful guns, but quite large.  I saw someone at a 
-> #local range last Saturday who was firing one, and the sight was quite
-> #impressive (or scary, as the case may be).  From the other side of the range
-> #(10 lanes down), the muzzle flash was still incredible, as was the noise.
-> #A little observation made it clear that recoil was not something to be taken
-> #lightly, either...
-> 
-> This is my first post so bare with me...
-> The LAR in .45 Win Mag. hurts a lot to shoot.  I shot one that belonged to 
-> a gun store owner and my hand hurt for the next two days.  Personally I like to
-> shoot my .44 mag offhand and enjoy magnum calibers very much.  This one
-> (without compensator) was too much to handle.  I'm 6'1" 220lbs and used
-> to compete as a weightlifter.  Hence, I feel I can handle a lot of recoil.
-> Tariq

I've fired one of these at a gun show.  I must agree that it is quite a load
to handle.  I had to pull this gun out of the clouds after every shot.  I'm
sure it would be an interesting gun for some though.  I was impressed with
the heft of the gun.  It's extremely solid feeling and quite heavy.  It
also takes a bit of effort to rack the slide.  Definitely not a good self-
defense gun, but an interesting gun for those that like BIG bangs!

Dana Rigg
Chandler, AZ
rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
From: fax@thrust.Corp.Sun.COM (Fax Guy)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ruger #1 feedback sought
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:16:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA

Anyone out there with experience with the Ruger #1 single shot?
I am very interested in whether there is any accuracy advantage
with a single shot versus bolt actions. One would be tempted to 
think so as there is no long reciever to bed properly or that the
breech block would be more rigid. Why are they not more common on 
the target ranges if quick reloading is not important? Is the
the rifle as is from the factory accurate enough to not warrent 
much improvement?

Comments anyone?

Conrad
From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: sniper rifle in 'Navy seals' movie?
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:16:11 GMT



# #	Does anyone know what sniper rifle was used by the 'God' sniper in
# #the movie 'Navy seals' staring 'charlie sheen' ? It looked as if it took 
# #.50 cal ammo, or something as huge (made big holes in the wall!).
#
# 	I believe the weapon you are asking about is a .50 cal Barrett Light
# (M82A1), in use by various Special Forces units.  It has a 11-shot capacity
# mag using .50 Browning, and was designed to be an anti-material rifle
# ( though it does do quite a good job vs. personnel :-) ).
# 

You are correct.  It is the Barret Model 82A1.  It has a mag of five and
is a semi-automatic rifle.  It uses one of two types of rounds.  Either
.50 BMG ( Browning MachineGun) or .50 SLAP ( Saboted Light Armor Piercing ).
He was probably using slap, it has a much greater penetration quality.

# #	Also the sights on this weapon allowed the user to see the 'thermal
# #images' of the enemy behind a wall in a night scene, is this possible?
# #	Thanks in advance.
# 
# 	I'm not too sure about this.   A true thermal sight will give you a
# picture similar to what was shown, but not with that degree of clarity, 
# especially in a combat zone.

It might be closer to watching the thermal shots in the movie 
Predator 2 primarily.  Predator 1 didn't show as much thermal stuff.
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From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: States Granting Nonresident CCWs?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:52:50 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct7.001535.114@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
#Several posters have indicated that some states grant CCW permits to
#nonresidents? Which states do this and how does one get these permits?
#I'd love to have a CCW permit from each of these states!

It's unlikely you could get one from each. I just checked the CCW survey
and only a handful of states have non-resident licenses with a hodge-podge
of requirements. Some issue only to certain occupations, and don't expect
New Jersey to even consider your application. 

BTW, Indiana does not have a specific non-resident license. It works 
like this. Indiana honors licenses from other states. Also, anyone
who owns or leases property in the state can get a license even if 
they are not residents and don't have a license from they're home state.
Confusing, huh?

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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm: Which *not* to buy?
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:16:51 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <9210131123.AA17026@flubber.cs.UMD.EDU> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
}In article <1992Oct2.235658.1031@megatek.com> cjp@megatek.com (Chris "Systems Stud" Pikus) writes:
}#
}#	2. Why are you fiddling around with RamLine magazines? Sig makes
}#FACTORY 20 round magazines. Magazines are an important enough part of
}#the gun not to risk using substitutes.
}#
}i had one of thos ram line mags. fell apart rather quickly, can't even
}remember emtptying it once. has been lying around in pieces ever since.
}what has to be said about the 20 rounders is that it sticks out the
}bottom of the grip, which is a nono in IPSC.

Maybe I'm lucky or they don't travel well.  Maybe RamLine's got their act
together.  All I know is I've put hundreds of rounds through two of them
with no problems at all.  That includes several IPSC style competitions
where they got dropped in the dirt, stuffed in pockets and generally
banged around.

Maybe I should offer to write a testimonial for RamLine. (-:

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: scannon@uts.amdahl.com (Steven Cannon)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 12g shotgun defense ammo
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:59:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: amdahl.1fR1036aacg600
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Systems Software, Sunnyvale CA


In article <1992Oct14.152719.25672@ke4zv.uucp> ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:
#
#No one has mentioned a potentially effective shotshell yet, a
#12 gauge *flare* load. Setting the victim on fire would tend
#to reduce his potential for hostile action. You can also get
#some nice single shot *pistols* for this load without all the
#hassles of regular firearms in many areas.
#

this load is not recommended for home defense. :)

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