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Subject: Re: Pak in Controversy again?
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:41:53 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <22DEC199212502689@zeus.tamu.edu>, m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA) writes:
> Yesterday in BBC Sports round up it was mentioend that pak has objected
> to the oppointment of Tom Graveney as match refree for the pak-WI series
> because of the comments   he made during a series in pak 5 years ago.
> Pak has instead proposed Gavaskar, Patuadi, and some NZer for the job.
> There was no mention of what comments Tom had made. It  seems that Tom
> Graveney will be replaced.Does any body know what comments Tom had made?

The NZer concerned is Frank Cameron, former chairman of New Zealand selectors
and test player of the 1960's.

According to the Christchurch "Press" this morning the comments made by
Graveney pertain to the Shakoor Rana - Mike Gatting row of five years ago when
he is reported to have said: "They (Pakistan) have been cheating us for 37
years, and it's getting worse."

Alan
From: sturumella@desire.wright.edu
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Subject: Re: India lost to SAfrica in 5th ODI...
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:57:31 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Dec23.154801.715@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mhusain@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Muqtada Husain) writes:
>      I doubt if you are that sure about this figure of 300+ wickets. I seem
> to have read during this SA one day series that he took his 200th wicket. Also
> to the best of my knowledge, he has not yet played his 200th ODI. But you are
> right when saying that he is the highest wiicket taker in ODIs. The second
> leading cricketer is somewhere around 150s. But I will have to check to be
> certain.
> 
> Cheers,
> Muqtada Husain
> 
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Kapil has around 230 wks to his tally in ODI's. i am sure the range is 
225-235. He is the highest wicket taker in ODI's. i think Imran is second in
the list with around 170 or so. Joel Garner has around 140. I am not sure
of other leading wicket takers in ODI's. But nobody has taken more than 300+ 
as somebody posted earlier.
srinivas
From: higham@waikato.ac.nz
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Subject: Re: Aqib Javed suspended for one match
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:31:11 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec29.090620.4276@leland.Stanford.EDU>, urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan) writes:
> Heard on BBC Sports Round-up that Aqib Javed of Pakistan has been 
> suspended for one match for swearing at the umpire in the last one-day
> match that New Zealand won. This happened after some NZ batsman was caught
> off a no-ball, and Aqib was apparently upset about the no-ball call.
> 
> The suspension was imposed by the ICC referee (couldn't catch the name - 
> something like Peter Burke), and is the first such penalty, leviable under 
> new ICC rules. I suppose the suspension is for a one-day international, but 
> the report didn't mention it (or if it did, I didn't catch it).
> 
> I can't comment on this particular suspension, since this is the first I 
> heard about the incident, but I think that, in general, suspending players
> for misdeeds on the field is a good idea. The monetary fines levied up to 
> now have not had any effect on player behavior; oftentimes the amounts are 
> too small, especially if (as in the case of South Africa's Peter Kirsten) the
> fine is shared by the rest of the team.
> 
> 

According to the newspaper, Martin Crowe (non-striker) was quoted as saying
that Aaqib said, "you f**king cheat" to the umpire. Crowe said thats not on
to Javed who came running in to settle Aaqib down. I think its a good idea to
suspend players too, especially for abusing an umpire. Actually, this series
has been notable not only for that decision but for the use of the 'third
umpire', started recently in South Africa. I think we have the same system
wherein a third umpire is positioned in the stands with TV monitor, if the
centre field umpires request it (by motioning with their hands in the shape of
a tv screen) they watch the replays and press a red or green light to indicate
out or in. Its about time in my view, and a big step forward; perhaps an end to
certain controversy?
-- 
Tom Higham,                    
Radiocarbon Dating Lab,
University of Waikato,
Hamilton,
NEW ZEALAND.
Higham@waikato.ac.nz /
C14@waikato.ac.nz
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From: murali@iris.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah)
Subject: tendulkar should play his strokes at will
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:18:52 GMT

Keywords: 

I don't think that the debate should be whether SRT should play his natural game or not. I think what should be debated is the time to do those things. A great batsman is judged by his choice of shots for the occasion. When a good ball is bowled defend - if it is a "loose ball" - murder it /caress it /stroke it (what ever turns one on !). Even Vivian Richards would defend if the odds were really against him - SRt should show a better shot selection. He should adapt his play to the situation rather than pla


y the same way evry time. 

cotah
From: kre@munnari.OZ.AU (Robert Elz)
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Subject: Re: A v WI, 3rd test, stumps day 1
Date: 2 Jan 1993 18:23:34 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
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Summary: Oops - correction

In article <1i3fceINN5as@munnari.OZ.AU>, kre@munnari.OZ.AU (Robert Elz) writes:
> At the end of the first day's play, and after winning the toss
> and batting, Aust 5/292 - losing three quickish wickets towards

Should have been 5/272 - sorry.  no idea what i was thinking of then.

> Boon			C Murray B Adams	76	2/

2/160.

kre
From: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Knighthood for SMG????
Keywords: I want my present........
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:09:36 GMT
Reply-To: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <BzpsoI.B5H@cs.uiuc.edu>, bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:
||>
|>Indians can not accept knighthood.  Dates back to a minor grudge we have called the "Battle for Independence":-)  Actually, Rabindranath Tagore (Nobel Prize for Literature) began this tradition by turning down a knighthood.  It was a brave act at that time, (1920s or thereabouts) and gave quite a fillip to the burgeoning movement for self determination...
|>
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But were any Indian cricketers with major achivments like this offered
any knighthoods???
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From: bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Snippets - Indian cricket scene
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:32:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.203932.16315@news.uakron.edu> murali@emily.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah) writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>>>Let me throw in a new name - Atul Bedade. He plays for Baroda. A month ago,
>he hit a century against Bombay at the Wankhede stadium which included
>11 6's, one of which fell on the roof of the stadium. ( 110 yards ).
>>>
>
>no offence - who was bowling - Rohini Hattangadi ? or was it Sandip Patil.
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				   ;-) ;-)

>Other than Raju Kulkarni (assuming he still plays)i do not know if Bombay 
>has any "front line" bowlers. The "other" bowler shastri is infact 
	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Abey Kuruvilla... is he front-line enough ?


>somewhere in S.A. trying to play cricket.
>
>cotah


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From: rick@psg.com (Rick Buhagiar)
Subject: Re: tendulkar should play his strokes at will
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:01:23 GMT

In <1992Dec31.200415.10180@news2.cis.umn.edu> suraj@microbe.med.umn.edu (Suraj Muley) writes:

> i am not very sure that cricket fans claiming that it is right that
> sachin tendulkar should play his strokes freely and that vengsarkar
> wasn't as good later in his career when he started restricting his stroke
> play are at best immature and should not taken seriously. The "changed"
> vengsarkar as some people might want to call him was a world class 
> batsman and was in the Wisden's top five in 19--. at one stage it was
> accepted in all cricketing nations that he was the no. 1 batsman. 
> i am not sure vengsarkar could have achieved this distinction had
> he continued his stroke play relentlessly. it's good for people to 
> watch a great knock from sachin tendulkar but not at the cost of taking
> too many risks. tendulkar needs to put his head down a bit and try
> grafting an innings. wasn't sunil gavaskar as much a treat to watch as
> sachin tendulkar. to me it sure was. people who get these short lived
> pleasures out of a quick 50 from tendulkar are indeed short sighted and
> selfish in a way as they are more worried about their bit of
> entertainment rather than the welfare of the team.

> any comments on srt changing his approach ?

I disagree. Its in Tendulkar's nature to play strokes and you cannot change
that. Look what happened to Dean Jones when he tried to put his head down and
play a less-risky type of game. Besides which current Indian batsmen are
capable enough of sticking around with Tendulka while he tries to graft an
innings? I'm sure the indian team get just as much pleasure watching tendulka
hit a quick 50. He is so talented with his stroke play and taking risks is all
part of his game. Why fix whats not broken? The greatest batsman of all time,
Don Bradman, was an attacking, stroke playing batsman.

Regards, Rick.
> suraj muley.
> medical school
> univ of minnesota.
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From: A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir)
Subject: PAkistan all out 139 in 3rd ODI agnst NZ
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 00:39:05 GMT

 3rd ODI btw Pakistan ans New Zealand.  M.Crow won the tas and ask Pak
to bat. NZ was very successful in bowling and fielding. 
Pakistan could not play very well. Pakistan all out at 139 in 47th
over.
Altaf Qadir
From: aspi@natinst.com (Aspi Havewala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Indian Opening Pair
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:25:45 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: world
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Hi guys,
	I was wondering if any of you guys can give me some statistics
vis-a-vis how well the Indian opening wicket pair has been performing
lately (highest partnerships, lowest etc). 
	Just wondering if the opening pair has been getting out cheaply
enough to put sufficient pressure on the "famous indian middle order".
Lets face it: However talented, a middle order batsman is most comfortable
when building his innings against an older ball.
	Seems to me that the indians should play an extra opening batsman 
and knock off a middle order bat. And one of the opening batsman should be
able to graft really well. Uh-oh, the indians may need Shastri after all.
	Cheers,
	_Aspi_

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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Aqib Javed suspended for one match
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 09:06:20 GMT

Heard on BBC Sports Round-up that Aqib Javed of Pakistan has been 
suspended for one match for swearing at the umpire in the last one-day
match that New Zealand won. This happened after some NZ batsman was caught
off a no-ball, and Aqib was apparently upset about the no-ball call.

The suspension was imposed by the ICC referee (couldn't catch the name - 
something like Peter Burke), and is the first such penalty, leviable under 
new ICC rules. I suppose the suspension is for a one-day international, but 
the report didn't mention it (or if it did, I didn't catch it).

I can't comment on this particular suspension, since this is the first I 
heard about the incident, but I think that, in general, suspending players
for misdeeds on the field is a good idea. The monetary fines levied up to 
now have not had any effect on player behavior; oftentimes the amounts are 
too small, especially if (as in the case of South Africa's Peter Kirsten) the
fine is shared by the rest of the team.


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From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Subject: Re: India defeated England in ODI series 93
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:14:30 GMT

In article <C02BrG.2HG@babbage.ece.uc.edu> saji@thor.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.060803.12373@sco.COM>, pradeep@sco.COM (Pradeep Subramaniam) writes:
>|> In article <Bzyp0I.4ou@babbage.ece.uc.edu> saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji) writes:
>|> >In article <1992Dec26.062119.23709@sco.COM>, pradeep@sco.COM (Pradeep Subramaniam) writes:
>|> >

>|> 
>
>   Well, I do not think so. A statement like "a candian team beat the Yanks" 
>   doesn't hold at all. It was a canadian ballclub but definetely not a canadian
>   team. It will be the same if Penguin fans started saying they whipped the 
>   Canadians at their own game. I am sorry to bring this up on r.s.c but this
>   statement has always bothered me. Baseball in Canada just exists so that 
>   the MLB gets an international flavor and more market for TV etc. It will 
>   take few decades before a canadian team can beat an american team.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	More like a few centuries :-) :-) Really, how many Canadian
_players_ are there in the majors ?? I think I read someplace that there
were less than a handful last season. ( 5 perhaps ??) OTOH, if there was a
united south-American team, it might give the US a fight. And some
individual countries ( like Venezuala, Cuba etc )have produced lots of good
players too - many more than Canada has. 
 
			Sadiq [ who's Cubs _will_ triumph next year ] Yusuf

 
>    Aji
>
>|> Pradeep Subramaniam - (416) 922-1937	| Statistics are like bikinis
>
>
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Subject: Re: WI/Pak ODI
From: WEABEP@DEVAX1 (Peter ABELA)
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:44:36 +1000
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In <9212171510.AA16119@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> B536HIND@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU writes:

> 10 overs 8 maidens 3 runs 4 wickets by a West Indian.  On first guess, one
> would say Ambrose, Benjamin, Walsh or Patterson.  Or even Hooper.  But
> Simmons?  Against Pakistan?  What sort of a pitch was it anyway?  Info please!

	The pitch wasn't bad at all. The Windies scored a respectable 214
	remember. Simmons was just bowling gentle (but accurate) outswingers.
	Of his four wickets, Javed fell to a very good leg cutter being caught
	behind. Sohail got bowled, Malik caught behind. All in all it was
	a pretty inept performance. Javed called it the worst by Pakistan in
	years.

	Simmons has been amazingly successful in the one-dayers. He took
	1-22 off 10 V Australia, 3-18 off 6 V Australia, 1-31 off 10 V
	Pakistan. The only reason he's been bowling is that West Indies batting
	looked brittle at the start, so they played an extra batsman. (Logie).
	At the time, they didn't know who would be the fifth bowler, although
	they thought it would be a combination of Simmons, Artherton and
	Richardson (!!!)

> 
> BTW, which was the old record for the most economical bowling in ODI's?  Was
> it Bedi's 12 overs for something like 5 or 7 against East Africa in 1979?  Or
> did somebody else have better figures?
> 
	It was Bishen Bedi. 12 overs, 2 for 6.

> target then).  Haynes with 96 and Richardson in the 30's (39?) had steered

	I think Richardson scored 33.

> One stat the commentators floated was that WI have won the WSC every time
> they have reached the finals.  I wonder if that proves true this time too!

	At the moment, Australia is playing the best cricket. Pakistan have
	been pretty inconsistent, as have West Indies. Javed has set funny
	fields when Mushtaq and Sohail have been bowling. They put six men
	on the off-side (deep point, deep mid-off, cover, cover-point, backward
	point and short 3rd man) and only three on the leg-side (deep mid-on,
	deep mid-wicket and deep backward square leg). The bowlers have been
	bowling wide of off stump, but batsmen are starting to sweep them
	to the largely vacant leg-side.
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From: fsahmed@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Farhan Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Knighthood for SMG????
Keywords: I want my present........
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:42:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.104232.7557@rdg.dec.com> vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela) writes:
>
>Richard Headlee was given the knighthood for taking 400 wickets in test
>cricket.
>
>Could some one tell me whether Sunil Gavaskar was given knighthood for 
>becoming first man to score 10,000 runs in test cricket.
>
>
>Another question. Will Kapil be knighted if and when he overtakes Sir
>Richard Headlee's total of 431 test wickets?
>
>If Kapil overtakes the magic number 431 then he'll have both records
>of taking highest wickets in test matches and ODI's. Isn't this a great
>achievement to be rewarded for.
>
>Any comments. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>



Seriously, does a knighthood really matter at all? I feel that it is
a scam by the British to glorify themselves! 

Farhan Ahmed
Northwestern University.
From: sturumella@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Sack Manjrekar
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:45:16 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <Bznx32.A3H@nic.umass.edu>, RAHULI@UCSVAX (RAHUL INDRAYAN) writes:
> Its time to sack Sanjay Manjrekar from the team. He has not scored even a single 50 in the last 20 or so matches he has played for India in ODIs. Heconsumes too many balls to score only a few runs. I hope the Indian manager at SA thinks this way too.
> Thanks.
> 	- Rahul Indrayan
Manjrekar scored 70+ in the only ODI India played against David Houghton's team
before SA tour. 
srinivas
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From: krishnam@corona.math.vt.edu (Ravi Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Knighthood for SMG????
Keywords: I want my present........
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:29:14 GMT
Organization: Mathematics Department, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061.

I believe Ronald Regan got some kind of knighthood? 

Ravi
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From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Subject: Bombay's bowlers (was Re: Snippets )
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:52:28 GMT




>>>Let me throw in a new name - Atul Bedade. He plays for Baroda. A month ago,
>he hit a century against Bombay at the Wankhede stadium which included
>11 6's, one of which fell on the roof of the stadium. ( 110 yards ).
>>

>no offence - who was bowling - Rohini Hattangadi ? or was it Sandip Patil.
>Other  than Raju Kulkarni (assuming he still plays) i do not know if
>Bombay has any "front line" bowlers. The "other" bowler shastri is infact
>somewhere  in S.A. trying to play cricket.

>cotah

	True, the lack of a penetrating bowling attack has long been
Bombay's biggest problem. But the reason we're so hopeful this year is that
that is no longer the case. Under decent bowling conditions and on a
helpful pitch, I would put up Bombay's current bowling attack against any
other in Indian domestic cricket. 
	Ideally, we go in with 5 specialist bowlers. A three-pronged pace
attack consisting of Abey Kuruvilla, Salil Ankola and the skipper Raju
Kulkarni. On a fast pitch, I believe that's about as good as one gets in
domestic cricket. Providing orthodox left arm spin is Sanjay Patil ,a very
good though vastly underrated bowler - outside of Raju and Maninder, there
aren't that many domestic leftarmers I can think of who are vastly
superior. And last, but certainly not least, we have promising young leggie
(and fine bat) Sairaj Bahutule. A good combination . (And, of course, there
is always Iqbal Khan to provide relief and variety if neccessary). 
	As  for Bedade, I did hear about him and was pretty impressed.
However, the Wankhede was a batsman's pitch, lots of runs were scored. And
Ankola missed the game due to a freak injury. Still, a name to store in the
memory, just in case. 

			Sadiq [ this _is_ the year ! ] Yusuf



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From: murali@iris.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah)
Subject:  Re: Some thoughts...
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:11:17 GMT

Keywords: 

>>I also think we should be picking a new batting line-up. throw azhar,
shastri, manjrekar, out (may be some more) like raman, sachin tendu.
even in bowling srinath, raju banarjee shoul dbe replace by other new bowlers.

not only player we need a drastic change in management and coaching staff.
I think they are also to balme for poor performance of indian team.

rakesh gupta

>>
In short bring in a new team from India! Rakesh get real ..... 

cotah
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