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From: albertr@crchh780.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Albert Reva)
Subject: Re:  Moving Pictures CD
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:04:11 GMT


In article <11NOV199212363967@zeus.tamu.edu>, srf6200@zeus.tamu.edu (Steven R. Fennell) writes:
|> I bought Moving Pictures on CD about 4 years ago.  I noticed at the time that 
|> the picture of Neil Peart was missing from the CD liner notes.  Is this the 
|> same for everyone else?  I was wondering because A) it appears on the LP, B) 
|> Neil is too important to leave out accidently, and C) there were re-releases 
|> of all the Rush CDs with new printing on the CD itself.  Did they include the 
|> picture in these new releases?  If so, I will shell out another ten bucks to 
|> get it again, but I'd rather not otherwise.
|> 
|> On another note, I have been interested for a long time in seeing some Rush 
|> albums on gold disc.  I've called and written the company that makes them, but 
|> gotten no response.  If anyone else is interested, you can call or write:
|> 
|> 	Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab
|> 	P.O. Box 750577
|> 	Petaluma, CA 94975-0577
|> 	(800) 423-5759
|> 
|> If they get enough requests, maybe they'll do it.  I'm most interested in 
|> having Moving Pictures on gold disc, but then Hemispheres probably needs the 
|> most cleaning up of all.
|> 
|> Steve Fennell
|> srf6200@zeus.tamu.edu

	I think Permanent Waves also needs cleaning, and they need to kill
the "muffle" sound.  I also agree that Hemispheres should be cleaned up.

albertr
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From: ddrake@vela.acs.oakland.edu (dave drake)
Subject: Re: kids?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:51:54 GMT

In article <BxF806.6u2@ns1.nodak.edu> abrahams@plains.NoDak.edu (Ryan Abrahamson) writes:
>>sun dogs, and >>>>Niels<<<<< daughter being mentioned.  Maybe this is the connection

OOOPS!

Neil's.

I stand corrected, red in face :)

--Dave O'Toole (on ddrake's login)
From: cmermag@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Mermagen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: A new survey
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:15:57 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

For least-favorite rush song, I would have to pick--

drum roll Neil, if you please-

.............
Rivendell
.............

As much as I enjoy the Tolkien story, this song just is a complete
bore to me..

Take care-
Chris
From: inde7fw@rosie.uh.edu (Loftis, Danny)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Freewill
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov6.151422.8481@iscsvax.uni.edu>, wipperma9340 writes...
>If you choose not to decide, you are a complete idiot
> 
>Yours etc,
> 
>The Spamlog Kid

       what are you talking about?
From: craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Alex and the Canadian Air Force
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:21:11 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp. Annapolis Junction, MD

Being a bit of an aircraft fanatic, I would suspect that the CAF C-5
designation doesn't correlate to the USAF C-5 designation. As far as
I know, the USAF is the only air force flying the C-5A Galaxy. The
CAF C-5 designation is probably one that they use for a fighter, but
I don't think its is the F-18 Hornet, as I think the CAF designation for
that one is CA-18. Anyone from the CAF out there?

But I can see why someone might wish to pilot the C-5 Galaxy. Wouldn't
you like to fly one of the largest aircraft (the old USSR built one bigger)
in the world??? Y'know, ego and all that....

-- 

Regards,

Craig Shipley

      -m------- Craig Shipley	aka: craigs@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com
    ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation 
  -----mmmmm--- 10010 Junction Dr. Suite 112
-------mmmmmmm- Annapolis Junction, MD 20701   	 (301) 725-5705

  Opinions expressed here, if any, are my own and not Pyramid's.
From: angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: intro to rush....
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:39:19 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


	My first exposure to Rush was from a friend of mine.  It was 2 summers
go after our band played a gig.  We were driving in a remote area just outside
of Indianapolis.  It was really dark out there because the nearest town was 30
some miles away.  So we pulled the car over, and put down the top
to his convertable and lit a cigarette.  We had just played on of our best gigs
he ever did, and the adrenilin was flowing.  We were in a pretty much death
metal band and therfore we had a somewhat 'evil' set.  We were both feeling     pretty 'evil' and he said "Matt, you got to here this stuff.  It is so 
damn 'evil'"  Now, let me explain that the 'evil' he meant was not that it
was satanic but it was really good.  He popped in the Exit Stage Left
tape it and played Jacob's Ladder.  Needles to say, i thought it was
the best shit i had ever heard.  Then i said, "what band is this?"  He said
"Rush."  I was like, dude what the hell?  Rush is Tom Sawyer and that stuff.
He said yeah, but this is there other stuff.  Then we listened to
Broon's Bane. the Trees and Xanadu.  And man, when the intro thing to
Xanadu came on i was hooked.  I borrowed his tape and listened to it
all the time.  I then got 2112, and fell in love with it.  I went 
from thinking Morbid Angel was the best band around to professing to 
everyone that Rush is. And now the other guys in the band are big Rush
fans.  They are the best band.  I have never heard another band come 
close.  Nor in concert, has any ohter band been so good.

	angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
"I bring Love to give you solace in the darkness of the night" - Rush
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Freewill
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:44:22 GMT

In <9NOV199209392116@rosie.uh.edu> inde7fw@rosie.uh.edu (Loftis, Danny) writes:

>In article <BxDrLy.KK8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes...
>>	As the person who started this thread by being a smart ass and

>        who the hell are you calling a smart ass, dumb ass?

He was calling *himself* a smartass.

Geez, some people.....:)


*        *      *     *     *    *   *  *  * * ** ** *** **** ****** *********
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From: ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod)
Subject: Re: kids?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:27:36 GMT

abrahams@plains.NoDak.edu (Ryan Abrahamson) writes:

>In article <BxBFot.G6z@unccsun.uncc.edu> jagrizza@uncc.edu writes:
>>I checked the FAQ, and didn't see this anywhere....
>>
>>do Geddy/Alex/Niel have any kids?  or, for that matter, are any of them married??
>>
>>just curious..

>All three are married. If they still are I don't know but I'm sure they are!
>In fact it's Geddys kid (I can't remember his name) who is in the Distant 
>Early Warning video.  B-Man talks about their wives and things in "Visions".

>-- 
>Ryan Thomas Abrahamson:                    North Dakota State University 
>      If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice! -RUSH         
>        "Ladies and Gentlemen the Professor on the drum kit" -Ged
> e-mail to:           abrahams@plains.NoDak.edu (INTERNET)  
>                      abrahams@plains.BITNET    (BITNET)

Also, Neil has a daughter -- listen to Chain Lightning.
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: red sector a
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:33:56 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Nov4.2133.2657@dosgate> "mike rizzello" <mike.rizzello@canrem.com> writes:

>GJ>I think that the continuous mention of the word "red" helps reinforce
>GJ>the general "crisis" theme that permeates the album. Yes, there are other
>GJ>"red"s in the album like "red alert", "red book", "I see red," etc.


MR> May be it's their favourite because red has three letters?

Why would this make a difference? Do you think they're closet
Trinitarians ( :) ) or are into numerology?

I think they like red because it's an exciting color, just like
the name "Rush" is exciting. Just a guess...

Gregg


-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
                
                DON'T BLAME ME, I VOTED FOR ROSS PEROT
From: herrage@crchh451.bnr.ca (Robert Herrage)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Losing It
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:29:52 GMT
Reply-To: herrage@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR


|> In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
|>
|> My 2/100 of $:  Losing it happens to be a song about the loss of what 
|> amounts to be the Midas Touch.  Both the dancer and writer (modeled 
|> after Hemmingway) have been great, but are closing the door on their 
|> careers.  Also, they are isolated from the rest of society, too.  Alone
|> in their  anguish.  And _we_ are the blind who once could see, the bell 
|> tolls for us.  (Read the poem by that cool British guy poet dude who 

I disagree with your interpretation that the _we_ are "the blind who once 
could see".

Taking the whole verse of the song into consideration,

  Some are born to move the world, to live their fantasy.
  But most of us just dream about the things we'd like to be.
  Sadder still to watch it die than never to have known it,
  For you, the blind who once could see, the bell tolls for thee.

IMO, "the blind who once could see" is the dancer and the writer.  They are 
the ones "watching it die".  In general, anyone who experiences something 
that they "always dreamed of doing", only to -- at some stage in their life
-- not be able to do it anymore is a greater tragedy that someone who never
experienced it (only dreamed about it).  The person that just dreams about 
it never gets to experience that feeling a pure satisfaction and accomplish-
ment and the desire to do it more.  Those that do experience it usually fall
in love with that feeling and usually want to continue.  A lot of the time,
it takes over their life.  They sacrifice almost everything to be able to 
continue doing it.  

It's a shame that something like "old age" has to prevent someone from doing 
something they love.  For example, my father-in-law loves to fly small air-
craft.  He'd do it every day (all day) if he could.  He did it for a number 
of years.  Now he can no longer do something he cherished so much because of 
his health.

For those who know what it feels like to do something and can't do it anymore
because of circumstances beyond their control, "the bell tolls for them".

Just my opinion, of course :)

Rob
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From: ii67@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Welp...
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:29:04 GMT

        I am in need of the words to "Natural Science" since I 
have the luck of having the original album on casette (gag) 
without the benefit of lyric sheets.  If anyone is bored 
enough to type them up, I would greatly appreciate it...
 
Matthew McGarity
II67@vaxb.acs.unt.edu

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:47:42 -0500 
From: Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rush's Worst Song

Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.rush: 11-Nov-92 Rush's Worst Song by M A
Carey@bigwpi.WPI.EDU 
> Well, my choice for Rush's worst is 'Superconductor' yucccck.  

Nope.  Without a doubt, "Cinderella Man."  Talk about vomit launch....

Joe
From: hallg@egr.msu.edu (Greg Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush Boxed Set
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: hallg@egr.msu.edu (Greg Hall)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: hallg@frith.egr.msu.edu

Does anyone know if a box set would contain any unreleased tracks (Battlescar
with Max Webster maybe?).  Does anyone know if Rush has any unreleased new
material or bootlegs?

Greg
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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: If you could only buy 1 Rush CD(s)???
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:06:06 GMT

In <falcon.721432368@camelot> falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:

>I would have to say "A show of hands"...  Chronicles is _excellent_ but
>reflects only thier early stuff... if you are intersted in hearing a good
>sampling of all their work then "A show of hands" would be choice...

How can you say "Chronicles" only represent their early work? It contains
exactly two songs from every studiou album (except fro MP, of which there 
are three) You can disagree with the selection of the individual songs on
Chronicles, but it is definitely a very representative smaple of their
work.

ASoH, which is my favorite live recording (exculding bootlegs) does
not give a decent sample of all of Rush...just the last 10 years or
so. Othe than YYZ, the oldest song played on that album is CLoser
to the Heart...that's it..none of the older classics...for those, you
must get ATWAS.

--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
From: cf908@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Etienne Colon-Rios)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Rush Archives
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:20:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have seen at several record stores a RUSH double set album 
called Rush Archives. It is supposedly a package containing the 
first three Rush albums. However there are some songs that do not
appear in the regular albums (to my understanding). Does anybody 
more info on this?
Also, has Rush ever toured in South America? I live in Puerto
Rico and I would love if they gave a concert here. There are a
big number of Rush fans here.
-- 
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From: cmermag@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Mermagen)
Subject: Re: kids?
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 07:33:29 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

Frank-

The connection may come from an interview Neil had on rockline, not
really from the song lyrics?? I am not sure about the lyrics, but I
remember on an interview with Neil, he said that he got the
inspiration for this song while sitting with his daughter at night
on a boat, or something like that..

Chris-
Sun Dogs fire on the horizon..

Never seen a sun dog, but they are supposed to be pretty cool, like
these two 'smaller suns' that appear to each side of the sun when
it is setting, I guess due to the effects of refraction in the 
earth's atmosphere (like the green flash).
From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: How do you post?
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:57:13 GMT
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article 9EC@ns1.nodak.edu, abrahams@plains.NoDak.edu (Ryan Abrahamson) writes:
>In article <BxM6D5.IwF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilsonjc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (John Wilson) writes:
>>	Could anyone tell me the address for alt.music.rush.  The only
>>way I know is to post followups like this.  Any help would be appreciated.
>>Also, "Where's My Thing" on RTB is listed as part 4 of "Ganster of Boats"
>>Trilogy, could anyone tell me what songs are the first 3 parts? Thanks
>>John
>>
>Well I don't know how you do it but I just use <SHIFT> F or just f
>as I am reading news.
>
>As for "part four of a trilogy" there is no such thing.  the prefix tri-
>means three! The whole thing is a spoof! it's supposed to be funny :-)

As I recall, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy is 4 books (er, actually
5 now...)

hehe
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush's Worst Song
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1drjttINNjqg@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mcarey@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (M A Carey) writes...
>Well, my choice for Rush's worst is 'Superconductor' yucccck.  

Rivendell - How long can it take before you are put to sleep?

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From: mhatz@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Hatz)
Subject: If you could only buy 1 Rush CD(s)???
Organization: Nyx, Pueblo Ravens, Cyberian Air Force and the number F.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:26:24 GMT

With the Xmas shopping season approaching, I was hoping for a recommendation
for the best COLLECTION of Rush tunes.  Hence the header of if you were to buy
only 1 CD or collection, which would it be?  Thanks!
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From: remeika@cpss1.cps.msu.edu (Joseph D Remeika)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Strange Brew
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:10:58 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University


	Did anyone notice that in the McKenzie(sp?) brother's

movie 'Strange Brew', Lakeside Park is mentioned?  They

are supposed to deliver some kegs to a "birthday party" in

Lakeside park.

	I think the movie is set in Toronto.



Just contributing to our collective Rushology:

						Joe
From: abrahams@plains.NoDak.edu (Ryan Abrahamson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush's (Worst?) song
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:34:41 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <101675@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <cubsfan.721516130@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>
>
>>COuntdown, with COuntdown being the worst of all. I wonder if
>>Neil got hit on the head before he wrote the lyrics to that one!
>
>I think it's the same problem he has with "Heresy" on _RtB_, he
>just has trouble pulling off those `contemporary history' lyrics.
>

That's interesting, I feel Neil has a terrific grasp of the current
situation being described in Heresy.

Same with Countdown, he is tying to convey a feeling of excitment at seeing,
well mabe histoy in the making.  

Both songs I enjoy alot, not to say you are wrong by any means, you are
entitled to you own view(s) :-b

I thought that whoever asked this question wouldn't get much of responce, 
as far as I am concerned RUSH has *NEVER* done a bad song!!
Some I prefere to be in a certain mood to listen to but overall I'd say
they are all AWSOME:-)
-- 
Ryan Thomas Abrahamson:                    North Dakota State University 
       Sorry if I sound stupid I just don't have my FAQ's straight         
        "Ladies and Gentlemen the Professor on the drum kit" -Ged
                      abrahams@plains.NoDak.edu (INTERNET)  
                      abrahams@plains           (BITNET)
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From: ghost@wam.umd.edu (.)
Subject: Re: Freewill
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:13:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.151422.8481@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:
>If you choose not to decide, you are a complete idiot
>
>Yours etc,
>
>The Spamlog Kid


if you chose not to decide then you still have Freewill.....:)

to everyone, why don't we just leave the question to be answered by
each individual person, being a newbie to Rush (only 4 CDs and counting..)
i have seen this extended thread rear it head twice at least and i don't
remember seeing the end of it......personally, i agree with the person
who said that the sung version expressed the idea of free will which is what
the whole song is about, but HEY that's just opinion...not etched in circuit board....can we start a new-er thread?

question: i have yet to listen to Cygnus X-1, can someone describe for me
(email, so i don't clog the bandwith with my bulk..) musically Book I and 
Book II ...  

question: is the ASOH and ESL concert videos worth getting ? i have inquired
          of the Oracle (FAQ..) and saw that the songs i want played in
          entirety was on both of these..so are they worth getting ?
          don't care whether they act cute on stage or prancee around
          just wanna see em play :)
thanx,
.

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Rush's (Worst?) song
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:15:17 GMT

Uh, I skip "Didacts and Narpets" on Fly By Night also, but
that is probably because that song is on Caress
of Steel......

--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:42:50 MST
From: lee@bones.et.byu.edu (Bruce Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: intro to rush....



>I was wondering if anyone would like to express how they got into rush... I'm just
>sorta curious how we were all introduced to the best group in the world....
>
>as for me... well, I'd never even _heard_ of rush untill about 2.5 years ago... and a
>friend of mine dubbed me a copy of the 2112 Overature (not the whole thing, just the
>overature).  Within 2 days I owned 2112.  For several months this was the only album
>I had, and listened too it so much that there's now _NO_ writing on either side of
>it... :)  guess I flipped that baby over one to many times...

>I eventually bought another album (a farewell to kings), and got addicted to it...
>I continued buying albums (mostly older ones, then the new ones), and finally had them
>all :)  I never really liked their new stuff, untill I saw them in concert (4th row!),
>now I'm addicted to their new stuff, too...
>
>Oh, incidentally, 2112 is _still_ my favorite RUSH song, period...
>?
>anyone else care to comment? 
>
>:)

I was in 10th (1977/78) grade English class when I met a guy who had just bought 
_Carress_of_Steel_,  It was all he talked about so I asked him if I
could come over to his house and listen to it.  I thought it was horrible
and went home to listen to my Elton John and Gordon Lightfoot records.  
Two years later I heard Xanadu at another friends house and loved it.  He
also had _CoS_ so we listened to it.  I loved it.  What changed?  Who knows?
I have since bought all of what Rush has and love it all, especially the 
pre-MP stuff.  I feel the older stuff has more passion.

 
-- 
Bruce Owen Lee				|"We will pay the price
Brigham Young University		| But we will not count the cost"
College of Engineering & Technology	|  
Email: lee@bones.et.byu.edu		|		-- RUSH -- 
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From: aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sri Ramkrishna)
Subject: Re: kids?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.165633.2146@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ddrake@vela.acs.oakland.edu (dave drake) writes:
>Presto tour in which Neil mentions seeing the sun dogs with his daughter.

Gee, I thought Chain Lightening was about sex...shows where my mind is..

	sri


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