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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:34:56 GMT
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Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec17.204703.20210@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dew6c@topaz.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) writes:
>Spiders.  Anyway, I don't think that '85-86 was a particularly banner
>year for the ACC.

Well, in one or another of the polls, Tech started out #1, lost in the
Tip Off Classic, whereupon Carolina went to #1, until they lost (to
Maryland, I think it was), whereupon Duke went to number #1 and stayed
there through the final poll, and then went to the Final Four and would
have won the damn thing had not Pervis Ellison played his only good game
at Louisville against them in the Finals.

Maybe not a banner year for you, bub, but I'll take it.

I even think that Carolina won something like 19-20 games in a row
during that season, and Duke won their last 21 before Louisville.  Not
bad!

- Rob Mac K



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From: wilder@nx20.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:22:33 GMT

In <7923@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:

|...or could it just be a matchup between the two most overrated teams in
|the country???

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Well, I guess I have to bow to your expertise on overrated teams.

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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: More Duke anti-woofing?
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:13:26 GMT

harveyc@seq.uncwil.edu (harveyc chet x) writes:
>
>Does any one remember the second regular season game between UNC and Duke in 
>1989, when Rice had baby Hurley crying (boo hoo) because he kept taking the
>ball from him. Phelps will have Hurley crying again this year. 

From one Tarheel fan to another...

Shut up and stop making Tarheel fans look like a bunch of jerks. (I don't 
suppose anyone would take advantage of that statement, would they?)

Curtis said it before, and I'll restate it for you, Hurley is invincible and 
will lead Duke to 3 (count 'em, 3) 35+ point victories over the grossly-
overrated Tarheels.



Can you say...anti-woof?     :)

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Dream Game quotes
Date: 12 Dec 1992 18:07:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Here's some classic quotes from Dream Games Past:

"Some of the other guys on our team quit, if you want to know the truth." 
-- UK guard Jim Master

"The greatest achievement of my administration" -- Gov. John Y Brown's
assessment of his role in negotiating the regular season UL-UK series.

"People would say, you better beat Kentucky or don't come back to Louisville."
--Ul Guard Milt Wagner, 1985.

"Little Brother" -- Eddie Sutton before his first Dream Game in '86.

"They got lucky, they know they did."  Herb Crook, after the 76-75 UK win in 
1987.

In response to being pelted with a quarter in Rupp Arena, 1984, Crum
responded, "I doubt if it was a Louisville fan.  I hadn't made that many
mistakes yet."

"This one's for you!" -- Rex Chapman to Felton Spencer after each of his 5
3-point baskets in the Blowout of 1986.

The local radio station is playing "Crum's favorite rock classics".  It gets
strange around here this time of year, folks. ;)

Mike
P.S. Quotes taken from Courier Journal Sports Page

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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The All-Terp Team Final Results
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:31:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec16.195549.1344@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.
gov (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.164053.36123@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
>(MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>> Here they are, your all time best terp basketball players
>> Name- Number of Votes
>
>You forgot to include that you think Gary Williams is God again.

Duly Noted, Gary Williams is God (still)

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Crum and 60 Minutes
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:43:26 GMT
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Denny Crum gave his side to the story on "Up Close with Roy Firestone" this
week.  I would advise anyone who is the least bit curious in giving the man
the benefit of the doubt on the Morley Safer allegations to tune in next
time they show this piece.  For those who can't wait, I'll try to give an
account of what Crum said, but I cannot guarantee total accuracy.

The 60 Minutes allegation was that Louisville "gets kids from the ghetto,
uses them for basketball, then discards them back in the ghetto when finished"
Evidence against UofL involved the low percentage of basketball graduations
in a 5-year period, as well as showing a player working in a construction
factory (As an example of the kind of future the kids have after Crum is
through with them).

Crum claims that his kids all come back to get degrees when their basketball
careers are over.  Thus, the 5-year percentages are misleading, since 60% of
his players during a twelve year period were in Pro-ball during their 5th 
year.  Also, Crum pointed out that he has a higher percentage of graduation
than the University as a whole.  He also said he has a lifetime scholarship
program so that all these kids can get degrees if they want to come back
when the Pro career is over.  As for the example of the player working for
a construction company, Crum said the player's father owned the company and
the kid's plight was mis-represented.

From my own personal experiences, I know that one player was seen by a friend
in classes (I think it was Gordon?), and also Keith Williams.

Again, apologies if any of this is misrepresented or mis-quoted.  I advise
everyone who is truly interested to check out the "Up Close" episode for more
information.

Mike
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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: A Laker named Hurley (was Re: Were the coaches the difference?)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:06:23 GMT

In article <Bz2urJ.ECr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (
David J.) writes:
>   Let's ponder this for a moment.  Bobby Hurley in the uniform of the Los
>Angeles Lakers.  What would this look like?  What would this image do for
>this team?

     Drive away any pretensions to class that the Lakers might have? :-)

                                        Steve
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject:  Recruiting - Corrections
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 13:48:36 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC


A lot of people have pointed out the errors in my recruiting lists which
I have entered into my lists for the next time I post.

I did not post the list of the top 150 because I don't have the time right
now. Rob Clough is most graciously putting together the top 150 list and 
will be posting it soon. Thanks!!!

If you did save the lists and want to know some corrections here they are.

Chianti Roberts(#52)  6-6  PG   Oklahoma St.
                           ^^    I listed him as a WF

Beau Zach Smith (Louisville) is rated #73, not #72. Seldon Jefferson 
(West Virginia) is #72

Bob did in fact rate 4 players as #150. That is not a typo.

From the unsigned list.

  15. Keith Booth     6-6  WF   Baltimore, MD           Maryland
       He's listed as only considering Maryland

  For all you KU fans, sorry to disappoint but the KU I mentioned for 
Sylvester Ford and Lee Wilson is Kentucky and not Kansas. I apologize.
Since IU plays you both, I hope neither one gets any more players. 
You've got enough already.

I also omitted the following players from the unsigned list.
104. J.J Lucas            6-10 C/F Middletown, OH           Prep School
      Yes, this is Jerry Lucas's son

105. Octavius Barnes      6-2  PG  Wilson, NC               Football, Alabama
      He committed to Alabama one weekend, and then reneged the next.

112. Greg Grimsley        6-5  G/F Abbeville, AL            Junior College, Auburn

and if you're looking for the #143 ranked player try the MAAC list:

143. Shannon Bowman       6-4  PF  Braintree, MA            Fairfield

What I ought to do is set up an ftp site and just let everyone get what they
want. Now, if I can just get some more time, I will.... Maybe after Xmas.

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:07:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ms.1992Dec14.130759.11511
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Jeffrey N. Burch writes:
>
>One might think that in getting Rick Pitino, UK has made an effort not
>only to get back into the 90s but also the 2000s.  Name me one other
>coach who has taken a team as decimated by probation as much as UK's,
>and who has turned it into a national contender within such a short 
>period of time.
>
I can never remember his name, but the guy at Cincinatti...ol'Mad
Dog whatshisface has brought Cincinatti back from mediocrity to
the final 4 in double time. Don't know if they were on probation,
but Cincinatti was in a similar position, moaning-their-fates-wise,
as UK. I hate it, being a long time OSU fan, but Cincinatti probably
has the best program in Ohio now.

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From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Big 8 predictions(was Re: Rainbow Classic, Dec. 27-30)
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:41:54 GMT
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <skipb.724084618@cwis>, skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell) writes:
>We were picked to finish 5th in the Big 8 by the sportswriters, but I'll go
>on record stating that Nebraska has a very good chance of finishing 2nd.
>With the talent and the depth of this team, I think they can play with
>anybody. <big grin>
>
Depending on what else happens to KU, the race for 1st could be wide open.
I'm not sure how ISU, NU, MU and OU match-up.  OSU might sneak in.  I
don't know much about CU this year.  And KSU looks to be setting up
home in the cellar.
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From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Subject: More Duke anti-woofing?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:06:26 GMT

In article <7990@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>
>O Gods, I wish the group from NC were overrated.  Come February 3rd, may
>the ghosts of Eddie Cameron, Gene Banks, and Robbie West come down from
>the sky and intervene on our behalf.
>

First, Duke fans were praising how solid Montross looked before the season
started. Now they are solidly anti-woofing the Heels a full month and a half
from the first Duke-UNC game.

Or was young Rob being sarcastic?  Who knows, but it was a solid post and
a solid anti-woof effort.


I believe, solidly, that UNC will be lucky to stay within 50 of Duke come
February 3.  I think solid performances from "Rock Solid" Bobby Hurley,
"Solid as a Rock" Grant Hill, and Thomas "More like a solid mountain than
a" Hill, will doom the Heels.


Another solid post from


Curtis Hill
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Montross vs Shaq
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:27:17 GMT

In article <7918@news.duke.edu> Rob Clough writes:
>In article <Bz40F8.4EA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, David J. writes:
>>Luther Wright should be a very good center in the NBA, but c'mon, Curt, MATT
>>WENSTROM????  Isn't this guy now the THIRD-string center at UNC behind Montross
>>and Salvatori?  Even Mark Acres didn't last THAT long in the NBA.
>
> Well, I agree that Matt Wenstrom, who could not guard a rotting tree stump,
>has a dubious professional career ahead of him.  On the other hand, Marty
>Nessley played in the NBA for a couple of years.  Walter Palmer is there now.
>And Greg Kite!
>  Sometimes, being a burly giant helps.

Well, I think Nessley deserves the benefit of the doubt for having knee
problems worse than Ralph Sampson.  He probably would have been better in
both college and pro ball if he didn't turn into a lumbering oaf (especially
considering who was coaching him).

As for the rest of them, point taken.  Hell, Duane Causwell was still starting
in Sacramento the last time I looked.

>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>"Cherokee did a good job at being big."-Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.

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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: What the hell is a Hoya?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:16:59 GMT
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Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) wrote:
>
>Hmm, what if the Ivy League people had used the Latin for "Sucks Rocks"?
>

Notre Dame would have sued for trademark infringement.  8)


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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Duke tops AP and USA Today/CNN polls... Michigan tumbles
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:01:31 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Dec11.100020.4515@wkuvx1.bitnet>, hurtje@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
|> In article <7749@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
|> > In article <BywuzE.n4y@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> >>	9 years.  Heck, Duke could beat anyone short of an NBA playoff team
|> >>	in Cameron.  But, early season rankings mean nothing...
|> > 
|> >  The Car-lotte Observer had an article last year when Duke was still
|> > undefeated, theorizing a matchup between Duke and the Charlotte Hornets in
|> > Cameron.  Charlotte wins by 35 or so, according to them.
|> > 	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
|> > "Cherokee did a good job at being big."--Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.
|> 
|> 
|>    Charlotte?  .... by 35?   HA!!!   If you will think back with me to
|> the summer/spring of 1992 when the OLYMPIC TEAM was practicing against
|> a group of college kids that they were beat 3 of 3 times in 20 min
|> scrimmages.... Seems that two kids on that team were from DUKE....
|> Bobby Hurley and Grant Hill..... I also seemed to know that Hurley was
|> embarrassing the BEST PLAYERS IN THE NBA soooooo much that they had to 
|> MICHAEL JORDAN on him in the final scrimmage to slow him down... just
|> a little.   Was there anyone from Charlotte on that team?   I THINK
|> NOT.  Oh, and did I mention that a third player from Duke, seems that
|> his name might have been.... Christian, was on the OLYMPIC TEAM.....
|>  
|>    Yeah, Charlotte would have clobbered these college players... NOT!!
|> 

I'll take Charlotte and 35 and I'll even let Duke keep Christian.
We play NBA rules and that includes 48 minutes. Duke only has, what, 8-9
players playing for 48 minutes.

I don't care what college team you take. Any middle of the road NBA team
would crush any college team.

I'd even think about it at 40 points. Larry Johnson or Alonzo Mourning vs.
Cherokee, hmm.............Yea, I would take 40 points.

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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:16:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <7923@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>...or could it just be a matchup between the two most overrated teams in
>the country???

Not likely.

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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Fight!
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:54:40 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <BzCxrD.9LL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:
> It's the Purdue Boilermakers 129, the Indiana Hoosiers 78.

   Boy, talk about fantasy!

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:20:46 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: PENN STATE WINS!!!

At Rec Hall this afternoon, the Nitanny Lions hit a 3-pointer with 1.1 seconds
to go to tie James Madison 63-63.  In overtime, it was a grinder, but Penn
State sunk two free throws with about 5 seconds to go before JMU nailed a
3-pointer and the Lions held on for the 75-74 victory.  JMU is picked to win
the Colonial conference and go to the NCAA Tournament.  WIth the win, the
Lions improve to 3-2, and I think they are still in last place in the Big 10 -
this means that every team in the Big 10 has a winning record.  It won't last,
but it proves that the Big 10 is the definitely one of the strongest conference
in the country.
** Rob **
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: georgetown beats everyone
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:32:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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You left off "in division 2" in your subject line. ;)

Mike
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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: fab 5's public statements
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:05:57 GMT

quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.154132.28786@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>>Funny, in my experience such comments are used by coaches of other
>>teams to motivate.  What you're saying seems to apply more to the
>>trash talk during games.

>It works on basketball fans too.

	TOO TRUE, mate!!! Our respect for a great educational
institution, upholder of eternal truths, soars!! Tears come to our
eyes at the beauty and nobility of such an idea -- get 5 or 6 talented
jerks and let them do anything they like on and off the court. A great
example of the KISS principle at work.
							--Sid

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