HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Subject: Re: PARALYZER CS tear gas
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:57:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.134153.7480@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Miller) writes:
>In article <92237.52238.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>rom@iris.usc.edu (Hillel Rom) writes:
>>
>>>I have several questions:
>>
>>> Is this specific device reliable?
>>
>>Only if you have a good aim, and your intended has tear ducts (not good on
>>dogs)
>>
>
>
>I never really thought about this.  I bought some "tear gas" to carry in
>my bike bag after I was chased by a pit bull.  Does the stuff not work
>on dogs?  Are there any mailcarriers out there with first-hand experience?

Incapacitating agents come in three basic varieties (not counting older
military formulas not currently in use).

CS - Irritating agent.  More potent that CN *when* it gets to the eyes

CN - Lacramating agent.  Much higher vapor rpessure than CS; significantly
easier to deliver to the agressor's eyeball than CS.

OC - Oleoresin Capsicum - pepper spray.  This stuff is getting very
good reviews (much higher than CN or CS which are frequently ineffective
when used in a hand held aresol).  This stuff is sold under the name "halt"
(dog spray) at 0.35% ocncentration (not very good); Punch I (1% concentration,
made by Aerko INternational); Punch II (5% concentration, sold in the police
market); and "Pepper Mace (tm)" by Def Tec (sold to police markets - other
"pepper mace" products may not be as good).  If you get this stuff, I 
recommend the 5% Punch II which though theoretically sold only in police
circles is available from Greater Nutfield Supply, Kem Smitchenden Presidet,
184 Charlotte St, Manchester NH 03103 603-669-4736.  There are several other
brands out there in varying percentages, but each must be evaluated 
independently - the carrier formulation & delivery system is as important
as the concentration of the agent.  Pepper spray is reputed to be much
more effective n dogs than CN or CS.

Xref: sparky misc.consumers:15670 sci.energy:4136 sci.environment:10872 sci.med:16432 sci.physics:13581 talk.environment:3391
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,sci.energy,sci.environment,sci.med,sci.physics,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Are Your Light Bulbs Radioactive?
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:07:30 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
NNTP-Posting-Host: de5.ctd.ornl.gov

[Followups directed to misc.consumers.]

In article <1992Aug25.201850.28784@gateway.novell.com>, terry@thisbe.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert) writes:
>
>	Most smoke detectors use curium, and tend to have a much longer
>"useful life" as a result.  The half life on Promethium is about 2 1/2
>years...  That means the life of the bulb is [limited] to ~2 years...

Wrong.  The half-life is important, but it's not what determines the useful life
of the product.  What matters is how long there will be sufficient Promethium
(really sufficient radioactivity--it could as well come from a decay product as
from Pr) to perform the required function.  For example, if they put 64 times as
much Pr in the bulb as necessary, it'll be 6 half-lives before there isn't enough
Pr left.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)	   For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie)
Subject: Re: Demise of honor programs in public high schools
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:18:07 GMT

In article <BtGtF1.60B@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu 
(Herman Rubin) writes:
>
>This has been stated repeatedly on this group, but there are always new
>readers.  I claim that we will never have even a fair educational system
>as long as our children are prevented from learning because others cannot
>do what they can.  

   This is a strange indictment, when you think about it.  But I've spoken
with a number of students who favor honors classes.  Many of them seem to
believe they will learn less in a classroom which admits average students.
To me, it just doesn't ring true.

   I went through an honors track in high school, thirty years ago.  As I
remember it, the students had widely differing intellectual ability --
the common thread being the interest in learning, not the IQ score.  It
never occurred to me that my learning was impeded by "lower-ability"
students being in the same room; and I still don't believe it was.

   Of course, that was before 1963 (when SAT scores peaked; then started
their long decline).  Perhaps classes are different now.  (Could someone
enlighten me?)

   I've got to guess we've got a paradigm problem here.  We've been
calling the professionals we put into each classroom "teachers" too long,
and everybody seems to be believing that's what they are.  If we believe
what goes on in the classroom is that the teacher "teaches", it's only
natural to worry about inefficiency when the students' "abilities" vary.

>Even the honors programs crawl compared to what can, and should, be done.

   Aha!  We see that Herman Rubin believes the problem is fundamental,
not a result of having or not having honors classes.  I think he, too,
sees a paradigm problem -- that we put students into a classroom, but
something we do _prevents_ them from learning to their ability.  

   I find it really hard to agree.  In the first place, I wouldn't know
how to do it.  I know plenty of things that slow _me_ down a little --
for a while --  when I set out to learn some particular thing.  Perhaps,
if we controlled the student's entire life, we _could_ prevent some --
even most -- of them from learning a particular subject.

   But we don't come anywhere close to controlling their entire life.
At most, we control six out of twenty-four hours for 180 out of 365 days
a year.  And I don't know any professional who believes one "teacher"
can control twenty students that closely.  Nor do I know any professional
who would be willing to do it if s/he could.

   I'd like to see a lot more details of what "can, and should, be done."
We have at least a few professional educators here -- I'd like to see
them asking questions about how to do it.  How about it?

John Leslie <john@jlc.mv.com>
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: dal3@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (dale.e.parson)
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:28:45 GMT

In article <ho76893@pro-aasgard.cts.com> jon@pro-aasgard.cts.com (Jon Rogness) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.161034.16444@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
>spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm) writes:
>
>| Is there a newsgroup or mailing list pertaining to homeschooling?
>| We're seriously considering going this route, and would love to converse
>| with folks who know more about it than we do.
>
>Plenty of people have offered you moral support, but I can help you with the
>newsgroup.  We're carrying home.ed - the network address is 
>"home-ed@ima.isc.com"... Hope that helps!
>
>
In fact the mail list has moved to home-ed@alfalfa.com, subscription requests
go to home-ed-request@alfalfa.com.


Dale Parson, Bell Labs, dale@mhcnet.att.com

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From: ssanchez@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx (Lic. Salvador Sanchez)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Sorbona University????
Keywords: e.mail address
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:22:40 GMT

Hi,
I need to get an e.mail address of the Sorbona University.
I need to establish contact in order to get information regarding
their programs. I will appreciate your help.
	If you have any information regarding my need, please
	write to:
			ssanchez@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx

Thanks..
		Salvador
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:36:40 EDT
From: Gary Lynch <GCL101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: daily report card info

i was wondering if anyone out there could tell me how to get on the daily repor
t card's mailing list.  i requested a subscription over a year ago, but forget
the process.  now a friend of mine would like added to the list and i do not kn
ow how to go about having his name added.  would someone please post the instru
ctions or e-mail them to me.  thanks in advance
gary lynch
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: Frank Sayre <sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: Need readings on Oper. Research & Stat. Quality Control
Organization: Vanderbilt University Computer Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:39:06 GMT

Can anyone suggest good introductory readings/textbooks on operations
research and statistical quality control?

Thanks.
================================================================
Frank C. Sayre
sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Teach for America
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:59:59 GMT

For a non-TV comercial, non-feelgood PBS documentary view of
Teach America see a long letter from a former Teach America
teacher in The Scientific American -- I'm sorry I can't
be specific about the date, but I think it was January or February 
of this year--nov or december of 1991 at the earliest.

This young person was assigned to a school in a poor neighborhood
in New Orleans, hired for 32 hours per week so he didn't have to be
given any employee benefits.  She or he (I see that I said he in
the sentence above out of old habit--I really don't remember the
gender of the writer) found a decrepit building, a purchasing
system that didn't work, and kids in early elementary school who
knew they weren't something enough to attend the magnet school
a half mile away, and who had already given up on themselves.

For me, who previously had felt real good about TA, it was a
cold shower.

Regards,

Erik Timmerman
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Wanted computer tutorial sci/math programs
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:32:09 GMT

 I'm looking for a source of computer tutorial programs physics and math for
engineering level mainly to be used for refreshing.

                                           thanxs
                                           Kris

Newsgroups: misc.education
From: skleper@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Kleper)
Subject: Educators'/students' help needed
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:33:58 GMT




Basically, I'll sum it all up by saying that I'm a high school student
who is really pissed off about our school's computer system, so I wrote
to the superintendant, and he wants to meet with me. What I want from
you is simply a description of your schools computer system, and how 
it's worked, or anything else that you think would help me. Thanks very
much in advance.
Oh, yeah, one more think. DO NOT MAIL TO ME AT THE ADDRESS ABOVE! Send
mail to either 
sjked@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
or
sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu



Newsgroups: misc.education
From: lsalmon@sportnut.corp.sgi.com (Lisa Salmon)
Subject: Re: Teach for America
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.194639.3035@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>,
carlip@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Walter C3arlip) writes:
|> I am seeking information about the organization 'Teach for America'
|> and/or any other organizations that enable young potential teachers
|> to volunteer to teach.
|> 
|> I'm also interested in the general opinion of the NET on advice to
|> give a student.  I have a student who recently graduated with a BA
|> in Mathematics, who is very interested in teaching.  He is enthusiastic
|> and committed, but has not taken the education courses required for 
|> a teaching certificate.  (Lamentably, a teaching certificate is
|> required
|> for most teaching here, isn't it?)  He'd (quite reasonably) like to get
|> some
|> practical experience teaching before deciding whether to pursue
|> additional
|> teaching credentials.  He is applying to the Peace Corps and I thought
|> that Teach for America might be another organization to investigate.
|> Any other suggestions?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> --Walter
|>
___________________________________________________________________________
___
|> Walter Carlip				    **** carlip@ace.cs.ohiou.edu ****
|> (the "3" is invisible)			
|>
___________________________________________________________________________
___
|> 
Walter,

Please post your findings.  I am interested in Teach for America. I would
like to teach within the next two years.
By the way, does anyone know about a school in  India called 'Woodstock' ? 
My boyfriend's mom taught English there about twenty years ago.  It may be
associated with a local church.

Thank You

Lisa Salmon (Teaching Credential on the way!)

.==========================================================================
==
Xref: sparky misc.education:3269 misc.jobs.misc:6247
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Newsgroups: misc.education,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Need info on correspondence degree programs
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:12:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.!wkn31k.mesm
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Frank Sayre) writes:
: 
: Does anyone have any knowledge of such programs or experience with
: them? Please name which ones.
Check with Thomas Edison College. Not sure where they are. Try getting
an 800 number for them. They consolidate work that comes from different
schools. Originally they were designed for military people that 
didn't stay in one place long enough to accomplish anything.
Also, there is the University of the State of NY.

In general, check for "regional accredidation".

Thomas Edison can give you a list of schools that they recommend also.

: 
: What is the course work like? Do they use textbooks, periodical
: articles, etc, as in traditional university programs, or do they use
: use their own workbooks or other "canned" materials?

Usually you get a textbook and a course book. This course book
is usually a supplement lecture and a set of questions
This book is usually created by the school.Once you
have read the assigned reading and lecture, you do the questions.
and send them in.
: 
: How much leaway do they give students in defining projects, electing
: course work?
:
This varies a lot. 

: Can anyone elaborate on the value of the accreditation of these programs? 
Thomas Edison did the best job of explaining various accredidations
to me. Check with them.
: 
: If you were conducting interviews for a position in your organization
: for which an MBA would be a prerequisite or a plus, would you recognize  
: value in an MBA from a correspondence program?
: 
: Are such degrees merely minor career enhancers for people who already 
: have traditional Bachelors or Masters, i.e. just icing on the cake?
: Or are they to some degree the "wave of the future", as traditional 
: higher education becomes untenably expensive?
This depends on the management. Ususally the more progressive 
management recognized and respect these additions. I would say
more like wave of the future.
: 
: Have you read or are you aware of any formal/published review or 
: other evaluation of correspondence programs?
: 
: Thanks for any replies of any nature. Please post in follow-ups so 
: that other readers may benefit.
: 
: ============================================================
: Frank C. Sayre         
: sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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From: 8schutting_r@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re:Teach for Amer.
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:28:26 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

i would just like to say a few things about alt. cert. if you're interested
in teaching and are serious about it, go through a university training program.
alt. route is not accepted in all states. so if you're in texas or new jersey 
the alt. route cert. is only good for those states. if you plan on getting 
cert. the easy way through alt. route and then plan on moving back to your
home state ready to teach think again. most states, those that care, want 
a professional sequence of courses from an accredited institution.
From: jon@pro-aasgard.cts.com (Jon Rogness)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 25 Aug 92 02:18:34 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-aasgard] -- Minneapolis, MN  (612)/557-2811

In article <1992Aug17.161034.16444@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm) writes:

| Is there a newsgroup or mailing list pertaining to homeschooling?
| We're seriously considering going this route, and would love to converse
| with folks who know more about it than we do.

Plenty of people have offered you moral support, but I can help you with the
newsgroup.  We're carrying home.ed - the network address is 
"home-ed@ima.isc.com"... Hope that helps!


ProLine: jon@pro-aasgard        |  Internet: jon@pro-aasgard.cts.com
UUCP:    crash!pro-aasgard!jon  |  ARPA: crash!pro-aasgard!jon@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: Richard A Weibl <rweibl@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Teacher Preparation Programs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:20:17 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Humble apologies for the poorly worded and badly spelled posting earlier today.
I believed that I had deleted it and instead it appears to have gone out to
the world.  Sorry.  Below, please find the "clean" version.


I am collecting information about state and/or national groups which are 
undertaking efforts to reform the nature of teacher preparation programs.
Specific content areas as put forward in the America 2000 Goals are of greatest
interest, but other areas are welcome.

I would be interested in hearing if any states or national groups are working
to improve upon the NCATE program accreditation process for teacher preparation
programs offered by Colleges of Education.

I will collect information for a few days and then post a summary to this 
group.


Thanks for your help.

Richard (Ric) Weibl          rweibl@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Educational Policy & Leadership, designated "student"
The Ohio State University
From: hfirek@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Hilve Firek)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Teach for America
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:51:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)

I'm afraid I don't have the address for Teach for America, but
you might want to contact 

	Recruiting New Teachers, Inc.
	385 Concord Avenue
	Suite 100
	Belmont, MA 02178-9804

Good luck!

Hilve Firek
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: lpanton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lauren C Panton)
Subject: Indian Reservation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:52:57 GMT


     I will be graduating this Spring in Special Education and am very 
interested in finding information about teaching on an Indian reservation in 
the Southwest. I have heard about a program through the University of Indiana, 
but would like some more information about other programs as well. If any one 
has any information, I would appreciate it via e-mail.  Thanks for
any responses.


     Lauren Panton
From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:19:43 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Teach for America
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <1992Aug27.194639.3035@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, by carlip@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Walter C3arlip):
> I am seeking information about the organization 'Teach for America'
> and/or any other organizations that enable young potential teachers
> to volunteer to teach.

Teach for America is not a volunteer organization on the order of the Peace
Corps. Rather, it is more of a training and placement organization.

Many states now have alternative certification programs. One of the most
widespread is here in Texas, where teacher salaries are low and vacancies
rampant (in the worst urban districts, that is). I'm currently going
through the alternative certification program here in Houston, Texas. If he
wanted to teach mathematics in the classroom, he would have to apply NOW
for NEXT YEAR (1983/1984), acceptance would mean moving to Houston by the
end of April of 1983, he would take 6 hours of classwork over the summer
plus some seminars, and he would be teaching at the beginning of the school
year. The seminars and classwork are at night until August, so he could be
working during that time if necessary.

At the end of the program you get a valid Texas teaching certificate, the
same as you get through traditional university coursework.

Or I have even better news if he *MUST* start teaching the day
after tomorrow. All he has to do is contact the personnel director in any
rural Louisiana school district. He'll need to take the NTE first in order
to get a temp ticket, but once he has the temp ticket, they will *KILL* for
anybody who even halfway is competent at teaching math -- nobody wants to
live/work in those rural areas, and there are serious shortages of math
teachers (since there are surpluses of English and History teachers
everywhere, they manage to get enough of those). What he'll need to do to
convert that temp ticket into a regular ticket is take all the university
coursework needed for a regular ticket -- but all he has to take is six
credit hours per year towards regular certification.

The NTE is administered three times per year (next administration is in
November, registration is NOW, results come back in early January).

You might have him contact a few school personnel directors in his own
state to see if that advice will work in his own state, too. Math teachers
are in short supply everywhere, and "temp tickets" are education's dirty
secret.

BTW, if interested in Alt. Cert. here in Houston -- (713) 892-6833.

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: Richard A Weibl <rweibl@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Teacher Preparation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:54:14 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Greetings!

I would be interested in learning of innovations that readers of
misc.education might be aware of in the  area  of teacher prepaprattion
programs.  Specifically I am curious about efforts to certify progrram and
"quality" or "acceptable" ... aand at the same  timme suggesting that  the
graduates of these programs are new and improved.

I will summarize what I learn and post it back in a couple of weeks.

Thanks!

Richard (Ric) Weibl          rweibl@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Educational Policy & Leadership, designated "student"
The Ohio State University
Newsgroups: misc.education