From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:25:57 GMT

In article <8805.16236@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
>In article <93005.132748U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> U37460@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>In article <72922@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com says:
>>>
>>>Dear Folks: Why is it that when I hear the words moderator, censorship
>>>I think of Hitler? I agree the Don would be a good moderator if you
>>>think you need a moderator.
>>>John Winston.
>>This will be the one and only time that I respond to your crap.  You must
>>understand that the use of Internet is a priviledge and not a right.
>>When you start posting under the guise that it is your right to post,
>>you are wrong.  If you would like to go out on the streets and preach
>>to the world your 3 line messages, fine, that is your right.  But you
>>must consider your use of Internet a priviledge and behave accordingly.
>>And if those who want a moderated group want one, they may create one.
>>You John Winston are under no obligation to partake in the discussions there
>>and can freely post here(although it is not a right).
>>Ethan Haslett
>>smoke... smoke.. flame off
>
>Foolish human. Adn why should John's postings incite you to such
>anger? Psychologically, many researchers state that: the state
>of emotional attachment can only come about within the
>perceptive mechanism of the recipient [you] if the recipient
>subconciously finds what had incited him to anger to be true and
>yet still unaccepted by that recipient.

Actually, I just skip em, and read the short ones. But as I either use
telnet or login at 9600 baud, it does not waste much time. But for those
users using 1200/2400 baud modems, it may take a fair extra amount of
time to go around, and if they are paying for connect time by the hour...
 
>I do not say that I agree with all of John's 1-3 liner postings.
>John...they waste bandwidth. We all agree that if you have
>something new and interesting to report we would like to see
>it..otherwise....dont waste the space please.
>
>BUT!!! I fully defend John's First Amendment Right to speak his
>piece as he pleases. The Usenet IS NOT a priviledge. The Usenet
>is a slightly anarchisticly free forum within which all ideas
>can be freely interchanged. And furthermore...I defy anyone here
>to conclusively prove that it is indeed John Winston who posts
>each and everytime....it can't be done. It is John Winston's
>account....but due to the nature of our current computer
>technology, there is no way to prove without doubt that no one
>else had logged into John's account as John Winston.

Well, there -were- all those Gary Stollman clones, and some of them
were defective. It is not impossible that some of them got together
and thought this up. John's posts are quite distinctive. If anyone
thinks that they can impersonate him I would be interested in seeing
it. We could set up an anonymous forwarding mechanism and then vote.
The winner could ge awarded the kIBO award of valor (by earths
official spokesman, no less).

Wonder whatever happened to Gary Stollman? I kinda miss his posts.
They were works of art.
 
>You sir, are wasting as much if not more time by starting
>flames. 

And by responding, you are fanning the flames.

>           If you do not like what anyone posts...use your kill
>file. That is what it is for. 

Not everyone has a newsreader, or a connection which supports a
killfile. 

>                                But instead you choose to rant and
>rave like a 5 year old child screaming for his candy bar...I now
>will use my kill file on you as you have wasted my time.
>
>Len
>--
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>use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
>		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92


Rich

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