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From: KDC@helix.nih.gov (Keith Cummings)
Subject: Cycling Groups
Keywords: Cycling, Bicycle, Bike
Organization: National Eye Institute, National Institutes of Health
Distribution: dc.general
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:48:18 GMT

I am new to the area (just went to work at NIH) and I was looking for 
cycling groups for moderately experienced riders.  I live in Rockville, MD., 
and I am not looking to ride a long distance to ride with a group.  Any info?

Keith D. Cummings
National Eye Institute
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Driving in DC (was we don't need signals......)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:02:58 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA
Keywords: driving in dc=nightmare

In article <abeals.712285063@melange>, abeals@autodesk.com (Andrew Scott 
Beals -- KC6SSS) writes:
> Hey, Kerry, you forgot all of those Virginians who insist on driving
> 10-20MPH lower than the rest of the traffic in the far-left lane on
> the freeway.

You got that right.
> 
> As the other guy said, DC is a breeze compared to places like Boston
> and New York City, which have homicidal and just plain crazy drivers,
> respectively.

I disagree.  You are forgetting the factor of predictability.  In Boston and 
NYC, you KNOW that these people are going to do the stupidest most assholish 
possible thing.  You KNOW they are going to cut you off, run the yellow, pass 
on the right, tailgate, run people down, etc. etc. etc.  In the DC area, you 
have to guess.  It's about a 50/50 shot whether or not that idiot in the 
Volvo or Mercedes is going to slam on their brakes 3 miles away from the 
bright green light.
 
> "Cut my teeth on the Beltway, sharpened them by going from I-93 to Logan
> Airport without stopping"

But won't come back to visit his pals on this coast!  



Newsgroups: dc.general
From: quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason G Velasco)
Subject: Re: Speeding & radar gun locking
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:47:15 GMT

In article <14665@umd5.umd.edu> bchin@terminus.umd.edu (Bill Chin) writes:
>
>Also, the heavier the car, the harder it is to stop, and possibly harder to
>manuever, possibly getting you into the accident in the first place.
>
>Bill
>

How true...  I drove many types of cars in my first few years of driving,
but probably the vehicle I appreciate most is the '84 Ford Econoline I
drove for about half a year.  That van makes you really pay attention.
Wet roads?  Curvy roads?  How about curvy wet roads with a downhill?  Better
start braking now, if not yesterday, unless you want locked brakes.

Blind spots?  How about the useless passenger side mirror?  The best fun is
driving the thing through NYC.  

Maybe we all should learn how to drive on 18 wheelers.  Nah, lots of truck
drivers are pretty stupid; I've been on I-95 during snow & rain, and the
truck drivers don't slow down at all, and follow way too closely.  

Same with people in their 4x4's who think they have such superior traction.

The US needs MUCH more rigorous driver training.  Mandatory classes at Skip
Barber or Bob Bondurant professional driving school would be awesome...

Maryland's driver's test is pretty ridiculous; why is it conducted on a
closed circuit?  It should be conducted on the road, or maybe on I-95 during
rush hour!  We'll see if you can drive!  It's not terribly hard to tell if a
driver knows what's going on, and if (s)he's defensive, or wreckless, or
just plain inept...  

Uh oh, this thread was originally about speeding tickets, right?

Back to your regularly scheduled program...
-- 
Jason Velasco                                      quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: rdong@playmate.mat.jhu.edu (Rui - Tao  Dong)
Subject: Car Buying Service in Maryland
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Johns Hopkins University.
Distribution: net
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:02:06 GMT


	I read from the local newspaper a while ago that there was a car
buying service in here Maryland, which would give you at least 5 bids from
local car dealers for a fee (about $100). Their price were very good
according to the paper, (below invoice sometimes.)  Does anybody know their
phone number and/or has any experience with them? The car I'm interested in
is a Honda Accord or something like that.

Thanks in advance.

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	Rui - Tao  Dong			10230 Hickory Ridge Rd. # 302  
	Department of Mathematics	Columbia, MD 21044	       
	The Johns Hopkins University	(410)992-4308(H)	       
	Baltimore, Maryland 21218	(410)516-7406(O)	       
	rdong@playmate.mat.jhu.edu	(410)516-5549(Fax)	       

Newsgroups: dc.general
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...
Organization: just me
Distribution: dc
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:53:20 GMT
Followup-To: dc.general

In article <1992Jul21.024212.9973@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> fieldson@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Gregory T Fieldson) writes:
>Subject: Re: Speeding & radar gun locking & on & on
>Newsgroups: dc.general
>In-Reply-To: <1992Jul20.231524.1576@srg.srg.af.mil>
>References: <1992Jul15.195450.14966@monster.saic.com> <1992Jul16.173708.14300@srg.srg.af.mil> <NIGEL.92Jul17204210@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>
>Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
>Cc: 
>Bcc: 
>
>I'll try to get my syntax and stuff right
>>> stuff ommitted
>something like...
>> The autobahns were built in the 30s, and I bet they weren't made for 
>> speeds much higher than 65
>
>Not so.
>The autobahns I have been on were built so that they could be used as
>runways for NATO jets if necessary.  Flat, wide and driving at 110 mph 

That is the straight sections.  Same with the highways here, which are
also part of the national defense system (but that may have changed a 
year or so ago).  Any straight section of highway could have a very high
speed limit.  It is the turns I was referring to, since the roads were
laid out starting in the 30's.  Unless they were widened and made less
curvy, the turn speeds should de a limit on road speed, and 65-70 mph
would have been fast back then.
>
>greg fieldson
>a tired grad student
>fieldson@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
>

	David Pipes
robear@digex.com
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: gaujxl@samhain.fnma.com (Jacob Lifshitz)
Subject: Re: Signals?! We don't need no steeinking..(Was: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...)
Organization: Fannie Mae, Washington, DC
Distribution: dc
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:53:21 GMT

In article <3098@ra.nrl.navy.mil> eric@tantalus.dell.com (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>In article <3092@ra.nrl.navy.mil> humphrey@thong.nrl.navy.mil (Jeff Humphrey) writes:
>>  My vote goes to a vehicle in Maryland last night.  It was about 2AM and
>>
>
>	I can top that!  Before I describe the incident, I want to mention that
>I used to live in Boston, and I used to see (and do) some things that would not
>win a good driving award.  Nonetheless, I saw something around here that would
>definitely win a lot of points for originality in Boston...
>
>	This was a couple of years ago, but I was driving on the Beltway in MD,
>probably not very far from Andrews.  As I recall, the highway is 4 lanes wide
>there.  I was in one lane, and there was someone else to my left going
>roughly the same speed that I was.  Out of the blue, some idiot comes up from
>behind, and passes us by going inbetween...
>
>-------------------------------------------
>		(Someone else) ->
>- - - - - - - - - - (Idiot)-> - - - - - - -
>                     (Me) ->
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>-------------------------------------------
>
>I saw him pass a few other people ahead of me in the same manner.
>
>
>-Eric
>
While the Idiot is is more than just an idiot, I also wonder why cars driving at
the same speed, driving side by side in a manner that does not allow other
drivers to pass them.  According to your account, you and the "Someone else"
were driving at the same speed.  If that is the case the "Someone else"
also deserves a bad name.

Kobi
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: mtaranto@sura.net (Michael Taranto)
Subject: Re: Cheap place to get Levis?
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Distribution: dc
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:22:19 GMT

I am looking to get some Levi Corduroy pants. I am not sure that Levi
still makes this style, so the pants may be available in stores with a
large, or outdated collection. Any ideas where I can get a couple of
pairs of these things???

Michael
From: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Distribution: dc
Organization: NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv (ex-"Taylor Model Basin")

In dc.general, seidl@midway.dcrt.nih.gov (Edward Seidl) writes:
>no starting and stopping.  I'm no auto engineer, but common sense would seem
>to dictate that if at 65 mph my engine is doing 2000 rpm, and at 55 my engine
>is doing 1500 rpm (which are very nearly the values for my car), I'm going to
>burn less fuel at the lower speed.  My trusty hp 15c tells me that a 300 mile
>trip at 55 will take 5.45 hours, or 490,500 revolutions
>(5.45 h=327 min x 1500rpm = 490,500 r).  The same trip at 65 will take 4.62
>hours, or 554,000 revolutions.  Even though the trip is much shorter time wise,
>I've probably burned more fuel.  Granted, I'm not sure what the fuel/air mix
>is at the two different speeds, but in general I think this simple logic
>will hold, especially for older cars which don't have all the fancy electronic
>carburation, etc.

    A more accurate way to look at it is this:
    The resistance (drag) of a car varies nonlinearly with speed.  If you look
at just air resistance, it varies as the square of the speed.  If you
have 40 lbs of air resistance at 50 mph, you'll have 58 lbs of resistance
at 60 mph, and 78 lbs at 70 mph.  A sleek, low drag car will have lower
resistance, but the square relationship with speed will remain.  The
power relationship is cubic with speed, because power=speed x force.
Given the above example, we have 5.3 hp required at 50 mph, 9.3 at 60,
and 14.5 hp at 70 mph.  (at this point it seems I've picked a very low
drag example :) ).
    The fuel consumed by an engine is also not linear with engine rpm
and power.  A common way to express engine efficiency is by using the
term specific fuel consumption, or sfc, which is in units of gallons
per horsepower-hour (for example).  The sfc of most engines tends to
follow the torque curve with rpm.  In general, the engine speed where
the torque is highest will also be the most efficient.  Your owners
manual may have this rpm in the specs.
    Now, if you combine the resistance (and power) vs speed curve with
the fuel consumption vs engine rpm & hp, you'll get a better idea of the
effects of speed on mileage.  I believe most cars are designed to run
most efficiently at the speed cooresponding to top gear at the engine
rpm delivering peak torque.  If your manual indicates what rpm this
is, and you have a tach, you could check it. (Assuming it isn't over
55).

>Then again, I'd rather spend the extra fifty cents and get there sooner :-)
No doubt.
--____________________________________________________
]      Stu Mennitt      smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil    [
]  NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv     Bethesda, Maryland [
]         was: David Taylor Research Center           [
]     was: David Taylor Naval Ship R&D Center         [
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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: jimbo@socrates.umd.edu (Jim Bogard)
Subject: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Distribution: dc
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:04:10 GMT

>I too vote for greater enforcement of other regulations which might
>promote safer driving, ( I want a franchise on giving out failure to 
>signal tickets...)

I _HATE_ that.  I think there would be an overall decrease in traffic 
problems even if the speed limit were 80 MPH on the beltway if only 
the police would start nailing people for not signalling, weaving 
between cars, etc.  I guess they're too busy giving out tickets to 
people going 70 with the traffic to avoid the inevitable truck 3"
from your bumper.
   Somewhere around 650 on the beltway there is a sign "Tailgating
laws strictly enforced."  Yeah, right.

Grrrrr.  Ah well.

J-.
-- 
----
Jim Bogard  (jimbo@socrates.umd.edu)
                                            "Implement now, tweak later."
Tech at large
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy)
Subject: Re: Signals?! We don't need no steeinking..(Was: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...)
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: dc
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:04:52 GMT

In article <5465@cvl.umd.edu> brian@cvl.umd.edu (Brian Miller) writes:
..
>the incident, and submitt.  Winning entries can be posted, and
>we can all have a great time pointing out the lucky person.
>Pull up next to them in traffic, them smile and wave.  If they 
>ask why, just explain that they won the contest for being the
>biggest idiot on the road for that month.  I'm sure they'll be
>delighted to know that people are taking such a personal interest
>in their driving skills.  Enter now!!

My Bonehead Move of The Month nomination would have to go to a cop who I
saw turn on his flashers, make a right turn onto the street I was on 
cutting off the car in front of me (he had to slam his brakes), turn OFF
his flashers, pull up to the street light, and make an illegal right turn
on red. Sometimes I wish I had a camcorder I could carry around in my
car and get some of DC's finest in their finest moments on tape.
-- 
James A. Treworgy
jamie@digex.com
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: og@access.digex.com (Gary Goldberg)
Subject: More Nike/Hercules Site info
Organization: Personal Account - Digital Express Greenbelt, MD
Distribution: dc
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:09:42 GMT

I've been attending Anne Arundel Radio Club meetings in Davidsonville,
on Rt 214 (Central Avenue) between Bowie and Annapolis, and I just
learned that the clubhouse, located in the Davidsonville Family
Recreation Center (DFRC) was the radar and computer site for the missles
there. The AARC's 2mtr repeater antennas are mounted on this large
lighthouse-looking tower in the club's back yard, and it was apparently
the radome tower. The tile floor in the clubhouse has these foot wide
bare spots where the computer racks were, and the missile tunnels and
bunkers are over the hill at the AA Police Academy barracks. Neat!

What was the final list of Nike/Hercules sites again? I know there was one
in Gaithersburg near the airpark, what were the others? - Gary

-- 
- Gary Goldberg og@access.digex.com Bowie, MD KA3ZYW
And NO organization to represent. ' ... Free, free at last ...'
Info on 'The Simpsons'? Let me know.

Newsgroups: dc.general
From: zben@ni.umd.edu (Charles B. Cranston)
Subject: Re: More Nike/Hercules Site info
Followup-To: dc.general
Organization: UM Home for the Terminally Analytical
Distribution: dc
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:28:28 GMT

In article <362@plsparc.UUCP>, lef@plsparc.UUCP
(Lawrence E. Fitzpatrick) writes:

> I'm not sure I would know what one looks like, but I thought perhaps
> there is (was) one on Muddy Branch Rd on the NW corner of the intersection
> with Diamondback in Gaithersburg.  My only point of comparison is the
> site in my home town in Mass.  This is only about a mile from the site
> you point to, however.  Do you know it?

In article <1992Jul30.214113.6226@eco.twg.com>, reece@eco.twg.com
(Reece R. Pollack) wrote:

> Let me make sure we're talking about the same place. Across the street
> from Diamondback is a shopping center. North of that is some property
> owned by (I believe) the Issac Walton League, and then NIST is north of
> that.
> I don't believe there was a NIKE site there. None of the maps I've seen
> show one there. CPSC is definitely on an old NIKE site, and I wouldn't
> think they'd put two sites quite so close together; perhaps you're seeing
> a part of NIST. Of course, I could be mistaken.

There used to be a radome visible from route 28 between Rockville/270
and Quince Orchard.  Just after the training academy/Dufief Mill area
and before the long hill down to the entrance to the Dufief development.
North-East side of the road.

I'm not sure if there were actually missles there or if it was just a
radar installation.  It's gone now.

Also, the people who run the 147.105 repeater in Davidsonville
(near Annapolis) claim their clubhouse is on an old Nike site...

zben@ni.umd.edu     -KA3ZDF
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Speeding & radar NOT HERE!
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:25:31 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

This thread has gone on too long. It should not be in dc.general. If
you want to talk about this stuff, please move it to rec.autos.driving.
That is where this belongs.  Thank you.

   O      Brian Kiviat
   I\     kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil
   I \    David Taylor Model Basin
  /       Naval Surface Warfare Center
   \________________________
			 \\
From: brian@cvl.umd.edu (Brian Miller)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Signals?! We don't need no steeinking..(Was: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...)
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:00:45 GMT
Reply-To: brian@cvl.umd.edu (Brian Miller)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.

In article <1992Jul21.180410.9264@socrates.umd.edu> jimbo@socrates.umd.edu (Jim Bogard) writes:
>>I too vote for greater enforcement of other regulations which might
>>promote safer driving, ( I want a franchise on giving out failure to 
>>signal tickets...)
>
>I _HATE_ that.  I think there would be an overall decrease in traffic 
>problems even if the speed limit were 80 MPH on the beltway if only 
>the police would start nailing people for not signalling, weaving 
>between cars, etc.  

And let's not forget those wonderful souls who use the shoulder as
their own personal highway.  That one pisses me off more than those
who purchased their cars with signals as optional equipment. But
I digress.

Signal use has gotten to be such a habit with me that I find myself
using them in situations where not doing so could be forgiven 
(eg. swerving to dodge the muffler that just dropped off of 
that '74 Dodge, etc.).  However, being the 'nice guy' usually
backfires on me at least once a day on my commute across the
Wilson Bridge (aka The Washington Funnel).  There can be a 4
car gap, but when that signal starts flashing, you'd think it
was a sign that said "Cut Me Off!!  Win a Prize!!" (yes Mr. Dark
Blue Ford Escort with the dented right fender and VA tags, I'm 
talking to you).

Now there's an idea...the Bonehead Move of the Month Award.  
Just take down a quick description of the vehicle, tags, describe
the incident, and submitt.  Winning entries can be posted, and
we can all have a great time pointing out the lucky person.
Pull up next to them in traffic, them smile and wave.  If they 
ask why, just explain that they won the contest for being the
biggest idiot on the road for that month.  I'm sure they'll be
delighted to know that people are taking such a personal interest
in their driving skills.  Enter now!!

brian

ps - has anyone else seen the beige hatchback on the beltway that
has a sign taped on the rear glass proclaiming "I Hate The Wilson
Bridge"?  Kudos to that guy!

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Has anyone seen my old friend brain?		  ..!uunet!mimsy!cvl!brian
University of Merryland, Center for Automation Research  brian@cvl.umd.edu
		On the count of three, everyone digress. 



Newsgroups: dc.general
From: s4uhkm@fnma.COM (Howie Michalski)
Subject: CircuiNet BBS mail network	
Reply-To: s4uhkm@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:55:02 GMT

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From: lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Signals?! We don't need no steeinking..(Was: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:31:53 GMT
Reply-To: lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In article <14605@umd5.umd.edu> walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson) writes:
> While we're on the subject of turn signals...

How about those drivers that stick their left arms out their
windows at leisure, but are unaware that they are actually signalling
left or right turns or lane changes?  It makes me wonder how many 
of the local drivers here got their licenses.

Or the ones that pass you on the left when you're signalling
and preparing for a *left* turn?  And then they scream obscenities
at the oncoming traffic for nearly causing an accident...

...or the ones that are oblivious to rules concerning n-way
stops at intersections...

...or the ones that don't know the difference between running lights
and parking lights and drive around with their parking lights on all
the time...

I've been on the roads of over 35 states and 15 countries and I've
never seen such a proliferation of unpredictably dangerous
drivers as here.

Terence
From: root@dcprinc.UUCP (Superuser)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Long Term Indoor Parking station/garage
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:57:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton Information Ltd. Washington D.C.


Does anyone know good long-term indoor parking stations/garages
around Dulles airport ?

I will be out of town for about a month, but reluctant to
leave my car at airport long-term parking lot, which is outside.


Thanx in advance.
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: m21757@mitre.org (G)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Lane markers on 495/95; was Re: Dr. Gridlock
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:27:05 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

As the folks are trying to add an extra lane between 95 and New  Hampshire 
Ave they have repaved and repainted the lane markers.  I have never seen 
such a sloppy job.  They did it once along a certain stretch and I though 
that maybe _someone_ would have figured out there was a problem in 
painting the markers correctly.  Evidently not, since the next time the 
painting was being done the same problem arose.  Anyone have any info on 
this?
Newsgroups: dc.general