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pczip@mips.Berkeley.EDU (Ivan Powis) writes:
: accessing remote files that don't have general access permission. So using
: NFS to get at the remote file sytems isn't the answer.
: 
: How do you go about this? At the moment we're having to physically carry the DAT
: drive around from machine to machine. This surely isn't the way it has to be done

There are a couple of possiblities:
	(1) HP Omniback, as refered to by Paul Gillingswater; it allows a
	    centrally managed program to go out over the net and "gather"
	    all the data from named nodes, collect it, and write it to
	    the DDS. It's very good.

	(2) fbackup(1m) supports a "-f remote:/dev/rmt/0m" mode, where fbackup
	    will *push* the data to a remote system's tape drive. \
	    Provided fbackup is also installed on the remote node.

	    One drawback is that fbackup (at present) does not include the
	    file markers for high-speed file location on recovery, if the
	    remote mode is used.
: is it? 
: 
: Ivan Powis

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From: als@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Anthony Shipman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP9000/400 and long file names
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:50:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Power Software

We have a machine here whose uname returns
    HP-UX wombaj B.08.00 A 9000/42T 080009217b61

By default it installed with 14 char file name limits.  It tells us we
can easily convert to long file names afterwards.  Then the sys admin tool 
warns us that this may break some programs!

What may break?  I thought it may be some old programs that don't use the
opendir() library routines but that try to read the directory directly.

Is there any other thing that might go wrong?

Would any of the HP software break?  Surely not.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: alan@wam.umd.edu (Alan J. Schunemann)
Subject: Does anyone know the educational price of this system?
Originator: alan@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:54:40 GMT

I'm looking for an HP 9000/720 or 730 with 16MB RAM and the system on 150MB tape
or CD. How much, ballpark, for something like this? Is there a way to get it
up and running w/o buying a "bitmapped" display? (ie, like the Sun) 
Thanks
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From: stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:02:23 GMT
Subject: Re: HP9000/400 and long file names
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

I use an HP9000/425e.  I converted it to long file names the day after
I got it.  In our group, we have a 2 more 425e's, a 425s, a 720, and
an 832.  I think all but one have long file names.

I have been running my machine more-or-less non stop for upwards of a
year and I have had no ill effects due to long file names.

Your mileage may vary...

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HP doesn't speak for me so I don't speak for them.
From: philipp@ulysse.enst.fr (Philippe-Andre Prindeville)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Bug in LLA/SNAP and porting Appletalk to HP-UX 8.05/7
Keywords: appletalk, LLA, SNAP
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:42:02 GMT
Reply-To: philipp@res.enst.fr (Philippe-Andre Prindeville)
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

I'm trying to port CAP 6.0 (Columbia University's Appletalk
package) to HP-UX 8.0.  There is an option to use either IP
encapsulated Appletalk (called IPTalk) or to "go native" and
use Appletalk directly over Ethernet (called EtherTalk).

Being a brave network hacker (cough), I rolled up my sleeves
and said, "Well, let's get this done before dinner."

Not quite.  First off, I found out that Ethertalk uses SNAP
encoding (SSAP&DSAP == 0xaa).  Good.  8 bytes wasted for
nothing.  Oh well.  So then I changed my code to use SAP
encoding.  The doc says that codes 6, 248, and 252 are reserved.
Fine.  I want 170 (0xaa).  I run my code and...  Device busy.

Hmmm.  Probably that brain-dead habit of using SNAP encapsulation
of IP, I say to myself.  Quickly remedied:

% lanconfig lan0 ether -ieee

and I try it again:  Device busy.

I looked for background daemons that might be using this SSAP,
and none are present.  Or none that are obvious.  I went into a
rage and killed everything that might be tying up the device.
No such luck.

Other SSAPs work fine.  Strange.  So, my conclusion is that
something in the kernel (probably IP) gets its hooks into the
device driver and doesn't free it.

Since SNAP encapsulation is used often enough, you would think that
HP could add one more IOCTL/NETCTRL to their list that allows a
user to specify the TYPE field of SNAP (ie. provide a client hook
to SNAP like they did for raw SSAP/DSAPs).  IP doesn't use *all*
of them, only 0x0800 and the HPprobe-thingy.

You would also think that writev()s work with LLA sockets.  No
where in the doc does it say they do, but thankfully, they do.

I think SNAP encapsulation is brain-dead, especially if you don't
have FDDI.  But anyway...  Does anyone have a work around to this
SNAP conflict?  It would be nice if multiple clients could use SNAP.

I've noticed that there is a libatalk.a file in /etc/conf.  If you
add "atalk" to your dfile, it gets compiled in.  But no where is
there an API on programming this code.  The code seems to have been
lifted from Kinetics or Stanford.  Does anyone have a handle on
docs?  If I can't get LLA/SNAP working, I might have to use the (no
doubt ancient) version of Appletalk distributed by HP.

-Philip
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Re: trouble with HP-UX software support : solution idea
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:56:18 GMT

In article <1690008@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM
(Lou Kvitek) writes:

:We are currently nearing the end of an investigation into
:possible alternatives for providing proactive patching
:features to our customers.  Some features of this program
:will be rolling out over the next (approximately) 6-12 months.

#include <inferno.h>

A year?  <chuckle>

:Keep the inputs coming, and watch for some new features to
:help with your patching needs.

<holds breath>

Sorry if I seem a bit cynical, but this isn't that much different from
vaporware promises.  It would be nice to see a LIST of patches freely
accessible.  Will this involve a three-year survey to determine the
ramifications of the elaborations of the machinations of the
aspirations of Hewlett-Packard news?  There are people out there with
problems NOW, who have to make purchasing decisions based on what they
have in their hands *TODAY*.  I wouldn't want to be a customer who
bought support playing a shell game with HP regarding patches.  The
description of the patch tends to help in identifying the problem, if
nothing else.  I realize that Greg Cagle, gcagle@mentorg.com is
posting some sort of "list of patches" and this is a great service on
his part.  However, I think this falls more properly in the realm of
HP and support.

					...Mike

(Yes, these are my views.  Yes, the HP SE I deal with has done a good
job, IMHO.  No, this isn't necessarily reflective of Ford Motor Co.)

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From: marquard@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Marybeth Marquardt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: CDROM on HP 720
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:39:55 GMT
Reply-To: marquard@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Marybeth Marquardt)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

HP 700 Admins/users:
    We are new at installing/updating software on the
HP 700 machines (most previous experience is with Apollo's).
We are trying to update a HP 720 from HP-UX 8.05 to
HP-UX 8.07 using CDROM.  We had a CDROM player on another
HP 720 machine and we moved it to the new machine.  We
cannot mount the CDROM.  We have powered everything off
and brought it up "cleanly" (CDROM player, then system)
and still cannot mount.  We had this problem on another
machine but it seemed to clear up when we followed the
"clean" power-up procedure.  This is very frustrating
since it seems like it should be fairly straightforward.
Any suggestions or insights to the problem would be
appreciated.  E-mail to marquard@oasys.dt.navy.mil
please.  Thanks.
                            Mary Beth Marquardt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: sysdave@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David L. Walsh)
Subject: Mounting file systems under non-empty directories
Summary: What are the effects of mounting a filesystem under a non-empty dir?
Keywords: mount file system directory
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:06:46 GMT

I would like to know what exactly the effects of mounting a file system
on a non-empty directory.   For example:

I have a directory /diska with the contents of

total 8
-rw-r-----   1 root     sys           73 Jul 29 11:12 file1
-rw-r-----   1 root     sys           81 Jul 29 11:12 file2
-rw-r-----   1 root     sys         1829 Jul 29 11:12 file3

Then I want to place an entry in /etc/checklist to have a filesystem
mount a /diska.  I know that the above files will disappear and the
new mounted filesystem will take their place.  But, does this have
any side effects?  Such as can it corrupt either file system?  Can it cause
a system panic?  


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From: jovanov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Dan Jovanovic)
Subject: windows unexpectedly dying - why and how to fix it ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:50:14 GMT

I noticed that when an xterm sits unused for a period of time
it somehow gets killed. I'm curious as to which feature of
HPUX/VUE (HP9000/7xx) controls this behavior and how I may change it. 

Thanks in advance

Dan Jovanovic
From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP remote print server SYSV like or BSD like ?
Summary: remote printing
Keywords: remote printing
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:37:10 GMT
Organization: Arete Associates, San Diego

In article <1992Jul22.163014.16577@eye.com> paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth) writes:
>In article <c8dm=4n@dixie.com> stan@dixie.com (Stan Brown) writes:
>>
>>   Is the HP remote print *server* SYSV like or BSD like?  
>
>The hp-ux print spooler system is SYSV (lp, lpadmin, and lpsched are SYSV),

If you really only have a SYSV spooler on your machine, try using my
favorite command "on".  You can issue the command:

		on remotemachine lp filename

The "on" command will keep your current directory when issuing the
remote command, and even NFS mount the directory if necessary.
This is gross, but it works just dandy.  (This is also how you get
around buying lots of FORTRAN compiler licenses:  make one machine a
compiler server and all the rest alias f77 to "on machine f77 $*"

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA
From: rypma@waterloo.hp.com (Ted Rypma)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Postcript to HP LaserJet 500-C ?
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:20:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
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sanner@track.physics.usfca.edu (David Sanner) writes:
: Does anyone know where I can get a converter to go from 
: 
: PostScript -> HP LaserJet 500-C color printer ?

Ghostscript 2.4 (3/25/92)
  Copyright (C) 1990, 1992 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA.
  All rights reserved.
Distributed by Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Ghostscript comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file LICENSE for details.

Available devices:
    x11 cdeskjet deskjet djet500 djet500c laserjet ljet2p ljet3 paintjet
Switches: (you can use # in place of =)
    -d<name>[=<token>]   define name as token, or null if no token given
    -g<width>x<height>   set width and height (`geometry') for device
    -I<prefix>           add prefix to search path
    -q                   `quiet' mode, suppress most messages
    -r<res>              set resolution for initial device
    -r<xres>x<yres>      set device X and Y resolution separately
    -s<name>=<string>    define name as string
    -sDEVICE=<devname>   select initial device
    -sOUTPUTFILE=<file>  select output file, embed %d for page #,
                           |command to pipe
`-' alone as a file name means read from stdin non-interactively.

I use the following simple script and pipe postscript documents to it:

if [ $# -eq 0 ]
then
    gs -dQUIET -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=djet500c -sOUTPUTFILE='|lp -dtrdj -oraw' -
else
    gs -dQUIET -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=djet500c -sOUTPUTFILE='|lp -dtrdj -oraw' \
	$@ quit.ps
fi

The fonts may need some tweaking - the font that comes built-in is called
'ugly' for good reason; large point sizes really DO look ugly. But then
lots of other fonts seem to be available and could be installed I guess.
I mostly do graphics or Framemaker and it seems to work OK, including
color.  You will need the latest ghostscript for color deskjet support.

Ted Rypma
HP Panacom Division
From: nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Aargh ... Re: not supported in 9.0
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:27:52 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <123040001@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com>, by mlight@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Michael Ray Light):
>>|> We were told, that our 825 and 835 systems are only partially supported
>>|> under 9.0 (no graphics) and that 9.0 is the last version that works
>>|> on these machines.

>>I've heard rumors of no graphics "support" as well. Needless to say, I'm
>>*not* happy about this. As a matter of fact, I'm quite upset.
>>Does anyone have any idea why this would be the case?

> good support of products HP has already sold to you.
We tried that. We may eventually go Sun but have just bought 2 720s on
understanding that we could keep using 835 with graphics box as main cluster
server for our older 300s. Do I take it that

1) 9.0 will be last version for said cluster and 

2) we'll not have graphics (we presently have Uniras) on said 835.
Does this mean a) not on console - a graphics terminal or 
b) no graphics - period.

Perhaps we really should have got a Sparc 10.

Nick
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From: davidb@hpuadla.aus.hp.com (David Booth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Help with LaserJet+Postscript on HP-UX
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:55:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: hparc0.1992Jul23.125509.28075
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adelaide, Australia, Smallest HP DownUnder
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weber@sipi.usc.edu (Allan G. Weber) writes:
: Can somebody give me some advice on getting a HP LaserJet IIID with an HP
: Postscript cartridge to work off an HP 425S (HP-UX 7.05) via an RS-232
: connection?  If the Postscript cartridge is not installed it works fine by
[stuff deleted]
: Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

I just did this for a customer here, with a minor difference: their laser
is connected via LAN. A detail that should not effect printing. The printer
I used is also a IIIsi, not a laser3d.

Some hints that may help you:
	- There is a new model script called "laserjetIIIsi" that supports
	  PCL and postscript in the same script. It's shipped with HPUX 8.02,
	  not sure how you would get a copy unless you have access to a recent
	  HPUX release. It's a regular script, so should work on HPUX 7.05,
	  I think. Not sure if a laser3d runs from the same script.

	- The IIIsi can be configured to power up in either PCL or PS mode.
	  The model script expects the printer to start in PCL mode, but
	  doesn't actually check what mode the printer is in. You must adjust
	  the printer config to ensure it powers up in PCL mode, and you must
	  also enable language switching. If this is not done, the host and
	  the printer get "out-of-sync" and can't ever seem to get their act
	  going together.

	  I think the laser3d is capable of language switching (I throw myself
	  at the mercy of the net if I am wrong). I know the IIIsi can language
	  switch.

	- If the laser3d doesn't switch, you need to get a script called 
	  "postscript" that adds the necessary hooks to print ascii data to
	  a ps printer. This includes things like the "^D" at the end of
	  the job, and the required headers, etc etc.
: 
: Allan Weber
: USC Signal and Image Processing Institute
: Los Angeles, CA
: weber@sipi.usc.edu

Hope this helps; if you can't get the script by regular means, let me know,
and I'll see if I can find a copy I can mail to you direct.
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From: russell@ncube.com (Russell Randolph)
Subject: Re: Parallel port compatibility problems?
Organization: nCUBE CORPORATION
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:49:20 GMT

In article <17780206@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, glen@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Glen Robinson) writes:
|> >   This is true on the above systems.  Unfortunately, there is apparently NO
|> >   way of changing this on the 700 series.  Why not?
|> Actually, I am pretty sure that as of 8.07 pulse mode is there.  Also
|> supported is a stream mode, though I don't remember the minor numbers
|> offhand.

Well, the Installing Peripherals section for HP 700 series in the 6/92
lrom cd says nothing about these modes.  So is there somewhere else I
should look?  Is it not documented?  Do to inconsistencies in the
documentation, I had a script try ALL possible minor numbers to the parallel
port, but no luck.  This was probably on 8.05.

I have been told by HP people that this is a hardware limitation (tell me it
ain't so!).  My HP sales rep gave me the names of a couple of companies
building EISA cards for the 700's, but so far, no one has a parallel card.

Still :^( !

Russell Randolph
nCUBE, Beaverton, Oregon
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu (Jim Wright)
Subject: Re: How do I find out how much RAM and swap my 720 has?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:12:03 GMT

franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC) writes:
>  Not needed if you setup dmesg as the manual page suggests or is done
>in /etc/newconfig/crontab.root.

Or maybe not.  The root crontab here has
	05,15,25,35,45,55 * * * * /etc/dmesg - >>/usr/adm/messages
and yet /usr/adm/messages has never had anything put in it.  And yes,
the other jobs in the crontab run successfully.

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From: nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: File transfer between PC and HP 9000/720 using Kermit?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:49:45 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <67870142@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com>, by stachnik@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (George Stachnik):
> If you aren't locked into Kermit, I've found WRQ's REflection7 package
> works beautifully with both 9000s (800, 700 and even 300 models) and
> 3000s (900 & 'classic')...
If u are using tcp/ip networks, so does PC/TCP, allows vt220 logins 
via telnet etc to N x HP machines (300, 800, 700), and fast file
transfer, 20Mb in a few minutes here.

Most useful to us. version 2.1 out soon, supposedly much less memory intensive.

Works nicely with DESQview/X to HP machines except wrt the file manager.
Can get remote xterms & hpterms then, and PC has an ftp "daemon" running
at all times.

Nick
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From: csci361@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Computer Networks)
Subject: X11R5/PEX on hp 700 series
Originator: csci361@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
Organization: University of Mississippi
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:08:30 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: us048503@mmm.serc.3m.com (Art H. Hurst)
Subject: Re: HP1000/RTE question: How to read data to DOS/UNIX?
Organization: 3M Company
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:34:04 GMT

In article <28510294@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com> franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC) writes:
>Dave Dittrich writes:
>
>> Funny, but every response I have gotten so far mentioned using kermit.
>
	That's because it works, and the price is right! $0.00.
	Advancelink and Reflections also work, but any solution I find
	using kermit I can give away, not so with the others. I have
	especially found kermit to be useful between odd hardware types
	since a version of kermit has been written for practically every
	cpu that ever existed, and all are available from Columbia
	University either for a few bucks copying charge or via
	ftp anonymous.

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