From: rose@cecily.UUCP (Rose M. Delckum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL -- The Jack Discussion
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:15:28 GMT
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In article <1jmlmlINN2n1@lynx.unm.edu>, Victoria Hamilton writes:

> 
>  
> Whew!  How could you all have had such a wild discussion without me?
> I'd like to add my $0.02 on the Matt Ashford/Jack Devereaux issue.


     Like is anyone surprised? :-)

>  
> First, I think Matt Ashford is one of the finest actors on this show.  His

     Agreed.

> only real competition comes from Peggy McKay.

      I dunno...I've never seen Peggy do anything that impressed
me.  As far as I'm concerned, the only people left in Matt's
range are John Aniston and Louise Sorel.  And they're old, so
they'll probably be fired soon too.

>  Secondly, I do not think
> he is anywhere near great-looking.  He's pleasant, but he can't compete
> in the looks department with the likes of Drake or Lizardo for that matter.

     I realize I'm a heathen, but I have never understood the big
attraction with Drake!  Those of you who have seen pictures of
Cory have probably concluded that my impressions of men are based
solely on personality factors, with good looks just being a
bonus!

> Third, I'd prefer he wasn't paired with Jennifer although let's face
> facts.  If J&J weren't a duo, Matt would no longer be on the show.  He is
> great without her and OK with her.  She needs him to be even watchable.


     Early on M&M were a great comedic duo.  I blame their lack
of I dunno, lack of interaction, lack of interest, solely on the
writers.  (And I use that term only because there's no other term
for the people.  Calling them writers is either being charitable
or an insult to writers...I dunno)

> Having said this I will say that I really admire Melissa Reeves integrity
> in terms of her character.  One or two of the "actresses" on this show
> could stand to take a page from her book.

     True.
>  
> Jack is a great character and different from the standard bad guys on
> this show in that he is not bad on a grandious level.  He doesn't murder
> people, but he is slimy.  Matt is probably one of the few actors on this
> show who can show such fine degrees of character.  I remember back when
> Cal first came to the show.  Jack was a scumwad.  I HATED him like I never
> hated any character on this show.  I loved Matt.  He was great.

     Like Mom, like son!  Anjelica and Jack....you loved to hate
them.  They were so great.  Are there any characters like that
left on the show?  People we love to hate?  Like Anjelica, Emma,
Alex etc?  I think this is a character type that is sorely
needed.
>  
> Recently (oh, so it's been the last two years), the writing for Jack has
> been pathetic.  Don't start whining at me about why I say the writing
> for him has been bad and then consistently ream out the likes of the 
> St. Carly of the Camel Herd, BillyGoat, Asstin, and my all time least
> loved, Icky.  There is a BIG difference.  This bunch has never proven
> to me that they can act their way out of a paper bag.  Matt has.  When
> they prove themselves, I'll blame their mess on the writers too, but
> until that time, they are lousy actors in my book. 

     And Matt has been known to rise above a bad storyline or
two.  Unlike Crystal, Lisa, and Patrick (Oooo!  Look Vick, I
discovered another similarity between Ape and BillieGoat!  Both
were played by actresses names Lisa!  Do I get brownie points?)

>  
> Finally, you guys have gone on and on and on about how terrible it is
> that Jack lies to poor Jennifer.  I have now waited five days to hear
> you guys say the same about her with regard to what she did to Drake
> and Deidre on her talk show.  It was despicable.  Marlena is married
> with children.  Drake is recovering from the death (yippee) of his
> wife.  And their dear friend Jennifer, in true tabloid television (didn't
> she scream at Jack for turning the Spectator into a tabloid) style, raked
> them over the coals and didn't even bother to apologize.  She felt
> sorry for about one minute until she found out that the audience loved
> it and then that was that.  So guys, where are your complaints about
> Jennifer's lack of integrity or the way she treats her friends?  My
> feed must be slow or something because I haven't seen one damn post
> on the topic.

     Well, I missed the episode in question.  But I have said
that Jenn sucks as a talk show host and as an anchor.  She is
just plain bad.  She shoulda stuck with newspaper work.  And I
loathe talk show hosts as a matter of principle anyway.  They
should all be shot.

>  
> When I got a call from the GrapeNut this weekend, we discussed this latest
> net.discussion.  I pointed out to her that there were some interesting
> opinions on the opposite side in general.  For instance:

      Conspiracy!

>  
> 1.  We have the 9 1/2 weeks fan.  I found this movie to be abhorrent and
>     trashy.  Perhaps I missed the significant symbolism of the whole thing.
>     Maybe it was the casting of those superb actors, Kim Bassinger and
>     Mickey Rourke.  Clearly I am a prude with no appreciation of great
>     art films.

     Agreed.  But it was no more insulting to women than your
average movie of the week on tv, or recent plots on DOCL.

>  
> 2.  We have the Kim lover.  Sorry.  I feel bad for her, but she still sucks
>     as an actress in my book.

      Waitaminnit.  I don't think it's fair to pick on someone
because of who they like (unless they like Carly :-)  ).  In the
past, Patsy did show some skill as an actress.  I personally have
no feelings toward Drake, and FF through all his scenes (I'm
sorry, he's boring.  Deidre's boring.  They're both boring.) but
I don't judge you based on how you feel about him.
>  
> 3.  We have the CarpetBagger fan.  Oh yes, I'll hate Jack when this person
>     admits that there is a big problem with a mother leaving the only child
>     she'll ever have with a murderer and a rapist and show some regret for
>     lusting after the rapist of her best friend in all the world.  By 
>     comparison, Jack is a hero.
 
      See above.  And let's not forget putting her child in
therapy with a murderess with MPD that's apparently going
untreated.

>  
> 4.  We have the Asstin fan who says he never flubs his lines.  Last night
>     I got out four old episodes from December.  Asstin was in five scenes
>     in each one.  He flubbed his lines at least once in ten scenes and in
>     one scene he flubbed his lines a record of four times.  I don't know
>     what dimension this person is watching Days in, but I'd stay there.
>     Here, Patrick Muldoon flubs his lines in 50% of his scenes.  And Asstin
>     is complex??!  Hee, hee, hee.  Best joke I've heard all year.  As for
>     the comments made on who has pathetic diction, allow me to point out
>     how often Carpy slurs her speech.  I'm beginning to think she has
>     a thing for Jack Daniels.

     Yep.  A lot of these new 'actors' need to work on their
enunciation.  Have they never gone to acting class?  They should
get together with someone like Patrick Stewart and learn to
e-nun-ci-ate.  They all just eat their words.  Bleah.  That's
what they get for hiring people out of bus stops real cheap.

>  
> Based on these opinions and how I truly disagree with each and every one
> of them, I'd be horrified if these people did like Jack.  That is not
> to say that these opinions are not valid.  I just don't agree.  But
> I don't agree that Jack is a saint (thank goodness) or that Jack is a
> studmuffin either.

     I don't think that it's fair (as I said before) to judge
people on who they do like.  Just because I like bitchy
characters doesn't mean I'll like every single one... (Lisanne as
a case in point.  Boy am I glad she's back in Port Chuck where
she belongs!)  It's a combination of writing and acting.  

>  
> We'll chalk Rose's delusions up to being sick lately.  I too am a diehard
> Nick fan.

     That's it.  Go after me when I'm down.  For those who don't
know, I've been in bed with pneumonia for about 10 days now.  And
the Smelly one uses that time to attack me.  Humph.  Wait till
your birthday babe.  I have your address and phone number ya
know!
>  
> Vickie
> 

      Roserooni
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