HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Subject: Re: : Track wheels
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:26:56 GMT

marla@sherman.samsung.com (Marla Fendley) writes:
>My current situation is that i have a cannondale frame that the derailer 
>hanger has broken off and i want to buy a rear track wheel. i havent been 
>able to thinkmuch farther than that, but i am really anixous to get started.

One thing you must consider is the rear dropout.  Track bikes don't have 
derailleurs.  The chain tension is set by the position and size of 
1) the chainring (fixed), and 2) the rear cog (adjustable).  That's why
track bikes have long horizontal rear drop-outs- it lets you adjust the
wheel position for different size gearing.

On a Cannondale, the rear drop out is (nearly) vertical.  There is no way
to really adjust the chain tension.  If you get lucky, you might find a 
cog/chainring combination that will work- but if your chain stretches 
(actually, wears) much at all- you're out of luck again.

I've used a Cannondale for fixed gear training before, but I had to modify
the dropout.  I used a dremmel (sp?) tool to turn the rear dropout into
a bit of an upside down "L" shape.  It still didn't work great- but I gained
enough adjustability to make it work (with very limited gear choices) for
a couple of years.

Aside from the dropout problems, Cannondales are good candidates for this 
conversion.  Both the front derailleur hanger and shift bosses are 
removable.  Plus, the steep angles and stiff frame make for a pretty
good track bike as far as road frames go.

>Any informationwhether it be about wheels or any aspects of track 
>bikes/biking that i should be informed on would be very helpful and greatly 
>apprieciated.

It's pretty easy to convert a road-wheel into a track wheel.  Sometimes you
can just take off the freewheel, spin on a track cog (the threads are the
same) and go.  Chances are, this will yield a sub-optimal chainline though.  
To really do it right, move about 1/2 of the freewheel side axle spacers over
to the left side and re-dish the wheel.  This will give both a better 
chainline- and a stronger wheel.

>marla@sherman.tamu.edu
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From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: bike locks
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:50:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7201
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


My daughter's bicycle (REI Novara Scrambler, Hot Pink) was taken from in
front of our house one evening.  We reported it to the police, and provided
the serial number.  Three weeks later I came home and tripped over it.
Apparently 2 bicycles were stashed in a vacant lot about 3 miles from
here.  A neighbor called the police, who came out and checked the
serial numbers.  Happy ending.  Keep those serial numbers in a safe place.
You never know.  It could happen!
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"Second star on the right and straight on till morning" - Barrie, Pan, Kirk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Bikes for kids
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:11:17 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   2 Oct 92 20:24:13 GMT
>FROM:   Cindy Windham <cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu>
>
>My husband and I disagree on whether or not to buy our 3.5 yr old son a
>bicycle.  He feels that he is ready for one (without training wheels),
>and I think that we should wait.

I've been through the cycle learning curve with one child so far. I'd be 
very surprised if any 3.5 year old could cycle without training wheels, 
and personally disinclined to risk it (frustration at the early stages 
can put a kid off something for good). But if your son is very 
coordinated and (more to the point) eager to try it without training 
wheels, why not?

Come to think of it, that seems to be the key -- the kid's motivation, I 
mean. I bought my son a bike as soon as he expressed an interest (but 
not before). Same with the training wheels -- I took 'em off when he 
expressed a desire to do so. The only thing I did before that was adjust the 
training wheels so that when the bicycle was upright, the training 
wheels were about .75 inch off the ground -- encourages the kid to learn 
balance unconsciously, I figure. 

Oh, and set the seat low at first, too. The kid can learn about 
extending his leg later -- my experience suggests it's more important 
that he feel secure at first.

My son, who is now 8, loves to ride and goes like a bat out of hell. He 
was extremely proud that he was the one who decided to take off the 
training wheels, even though it took several days after that for him to 
really get the hang of riding without them. He was, as they say, very 
"invested" in succeeding because *he* had decided to take the step, I 
think. 

Good luck, and thanks for provoking me to revisit some very pleasant 
paternal memories.

--Michael Smith
From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: clipless pedal options
Date: 2 Oct 1992 00:04:33 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: clipless SPD pedals

In <BvG7tF.8DE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
  tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:

> I disagree Alex.  The fact that Time pedals are so popular despite
> their high price shows that many people do care about lateral movement.

I see far more people using Look compatible pedals than Time, and I
can count the number of people I've seen on Monterey Bay area rides
using Time's TWT pedals on one hand.  Time's racing pedals (TBT)
seem to be popular with the pros, but their "walking" pedals (TWT)
seem to be really poor sellers.  This of course has nothing to do
with how good they are.  If you didn't notice from my earlier append,
I do use them myself.

> I only wish Time would make a mountain bike pedal.

Well, stop your wishing and get out your wallet.  Time does have
a TMT (Time Mountain Technology - what else?) pedal and shoe.
It's a single sided design that's not compatible with any other
systems, including their own TBT and TWT.  The pedal's angular shape
would make it difficult to pedal securely unless you were clicked in.

> BTW if in doubt ride with a pedal that allows lateral movement for a few
> weeks and then go to a fixed system.  You'll see what I mean.

Two weeks ago I asked a Time sales rep. if they were going to repeat
their "test ride" promotion from last year - where a shop would loan
you TWT pedals and shoes for a week to try them out.  The answer was
"I don't think so."  Don't preach to the choir. I'm already sold on
lateral and rotational movement in pedals.  Too bad Suntour (MKS)
hasn't tried to create a low-cost version of Time's TWT pedal.

cheers,
Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
From: frankh@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Frank Hamlin)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:42:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Cannondale tandem
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

>In rec.bicycles, exurlsr@exu.ericsson.se (Robert Lightfoot, xt-dL, 0627) writes:
>
>    I have read qutie a few of the Burley tandem articles, but my wife
>    and I each have Cannondale SR600 and we were thinking of getting a
>    Cannondale tandem.  They are on sale here for 2500 (2625 with 105
>    pedals) with a regular price of 3200.
>
>    Does this seem like a good price?  We are real happy with the
>    Cannondales we have, Can we expect the same from the tandem?
>
>    Any comments will be appreciated.
>    Robert

Cannondale tandems are really nice looking bikes, but I have never heard
anyone say real good things unless they owned one themselves.  I have
heard negative comments from bike shop owners that sell Cannondales and
others that have test ridden different brands.  I would recommend that
you take one for a test ride and see how it handles.  It's about time
for another Burley vs Cannondale, Santana, Trek, Ibis etc report.  I was
actually surprised, but when my wife went by the Ibis factory, they had
a tandem in this same price range.  It would definitely be worth looking
into if you are thinking about spending this much.

Frank Hamlin
Another happy Burley owner (that didn't spend that much)
From: ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cool new MURRY
Summary: COOL MURRY
Keywords: COOL MURRY
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:38:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Sep30.213810.3751
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

This weekend my riding bud's and I were talking about what kind of a
MTB to buy for one of my friends 1.5 year old (yes we realize he's going
to have to wait a few years...we we're just talking).  Anyway my other 
friend felt you should spend more for a better bike than a Huffy or a 
Murry.  The rest of us felt that would be money wasted as the kid's just
going to out grow it in a year (I mean unless you got money to burn or
anouther kid to hand it down to).  So in the end we figured that untill 
he starts to do serious riding a Murry or a Huffy might be just the ticket.

Then it happened I got the mail this morning and was fliping through a 
Walmart thing and there IT was...for just $89.99 bucks they have a front
spring loaded fork, 20 inch wheels, two hand brakes plus a coaster, one 
speed, cool lookin MURRY.  The fork even looks like most of the suspention
forks going around, I doubt it's very good, but for a kid it might be the 
hot thing to have.  And for $90 how can you go wrong, even if it only last
a year.  I doubt it could survive Moab or anything, but, I was thinkin
Nick (the kid) may never have an unsuspended frame in his whole life.

To futher confirm this I saw a new Trek at a local shop with a bumper 
fork (that looked to be stolen from Tange) for around $575.00.  That's 
cheap in my book...I doubt it's very good either...it seemed like it
would be prone to bottoming out...all in all I wasn't impressed.  I 
didn't get a test ride, however, (the owner knows me too well) so if 
your in the market you might want to give it a ride.

I guess my whole point is there's no looking back, I mean Nicks first
REAL bike will probably be fully suspended after he's trashed his fair
share of Murry/Huffy's and have more travel than we could even dream of
right now.  Oh well when we're old and the kid's blasting by us we can 
tell him all the fun he missed out on...like this weekend when I could 
hardly see where I was going due to all the vibration going through my 
head on a screaming down hill...He might never have the pleasure.

Ward DoD# You know my name look up the number...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
From: akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck)
Subject: MTB headset size
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:10:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.002333.21502@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> goell@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeremy Goell) writes:
>|> >I'll simply say that 1 1/8" headsets
>|> >are what you see on the UPPER end of most bike lines, including
>|> >Trek and Giant, and 1" are on the LOWER.  You can draw your own

One thing to be aware of when considering headset size: if you want to
change your stem, headset size makes a big difference in the lengths
of stem you can buy without having to have one custom-made.  If you
want to upgrade to some sort of nifty high-end suspension step,
you'll probably have better luck if you have a bike with a 1-1/8"
headset.  However, if you want to change to a shorter stem (e.g.
if you have a short upper body and want your bike to fit you better),
you'd be better off with a 1" headset -- it's nearly impossible to find
short stems in 1-1/8".

As for strength/durability, I have a hard time believing that it
makes much difference either way ...

	...Akkana (using a friend's cast-off custom short 1-1/8" stem)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:31:23 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Fri, 25 Sep 1992 05:42:26 GMT
>FROM:   Robert Lewis <rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>
> [....]  I can assure you that I would get off of the road and then
>write down his license number, in his clear view, and then contact the
>police and demand that he be charged with uttering threats.

As a matter of curiosity, have you actually done this -- called the 
police, that is, and demand that a driver be charged with something? If 
so, what happened? 

My experience in NYC is that the police are sublimely indifferent to 
this kind of thing. I was once knocked off my bike by a motorist, who 
stopped his car, picked up my (smashed) bike from in front of his 
vehicle, threw it onto the sidewalk, climbed back in and zoomed away. I 
got his plate number, called the cops, waited an hour for them to 
arrive, and was told, when they did arrive, that they weren't going to 
do anything -- of course I could always get a lawyer and sue the guy.

By the way, I don't say this in order to argue for non-assertive 
cycling. What I'm expressing, if anything, is skepticism about the 
Forces of Order and their commitment to protecting us from criminal
motorists.

--Michael Smith
From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Glasses and goggles
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:29:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: unlinfo.1992Oct4.032903.6452
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE

ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride) writes:

>>  Quick question:  as a rider who wears glasses (unfortunately I can't wear
>>contacts) I was wondering if anyone has heard of a company which sells goggles
>>which can fit over glasses?  Do such goggles even exist?  Thanks in advance.

>There are many (ski) goggles that can fit over glasses (depending on the size).
>There are also wrap-around sun glasses by Oakly, Bolle and USA Sport (and
>others I am sure) that can be fitted with a prescription lens.  The Bolle are
>the cheapest to fit, and the Bolle Edge looks a lot like a goggle.

I've had 4 pairs (over time) of glasses that fit over my perscription
glasses.  Two were lost, both dark.  They fit over the frames and
include side panels which protect there, as well as slight rims over the
top and bottom.  I currently own one dark (for daylight) and one yellow
(for night -- couldn't find clear).  All but one said "SolarShades" on
the side pieces.  The first had instead a pattern of fake vents.

Right now I have a problem in that they don't fit well in conjunction
with my Headway helmet.

Also, in high school shop, they had goggles there that would fit easily
over glasses.  All clear of course.  Included vents for air.  You could
probably find a pair in a hardware store, but they aren't very
attractive looking.

>Ron Feigen
>ronf@panther.mot.com

No, I am not talking about clip-on shades.  Never liked those -- damaged
my plastic lenses.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chesnutt@adobe.com (Stan Chesnutt)
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Organization: Tuesday Weld Fan Club
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:30:57 GMT

In article <10557@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk (Simon B Proven IE91) writes:
>
>Bull *shit*
>
>Roads have existed long before cars, therefore cars should not have exclusive
>rights over them.  In fact, back when roads in the UK were all of very poor
>quality, it was cyclists who campainged to have them improved - and then car
>drivers started to monopolise the use of roads.  Bikes are legal on roads
>other than motorways in the UK, which I can accept as the motorways were
>built specifically for car use (though I dispute the need for more motorways).
>
>Roads in general, however, were not made for cars, but cars were made for
>roads.  Your narrow-minded outlook on life won't make you many friends here,
>I'm afraid.
>

Simon:

Your statements are just as true for the U.S. as they are for England, except
that our original traffic was horses/buggies/stagecoaches.

Even so, I would not want to ride a bicycle, or even a horse, on one of the
"interstate" superhighways in the United States.

I think it is a fundamental trait of human nature to focus upon what is
"here and now" and ignore the historical precedents, either deliberately
or simply through lack of awareness.  That is sad, as there is a rich history
behind us and a full and deep appreciation that can be acquired by finding out
how modern situations are based upon historical trends.

I am sure you agree with this, as my basic theme is identical to yours.

One has to compromise in order to live in our world, though.  Pragmatics
and reality require one to do so.

Thus, the unenlightened trucker driving his lorry to market will believe that
he has full use and right to the road: and that pedestrians, cyclists, mothers
with their prams, etc have to stay out of his way (I am assuming the masculine
in referring to the driver).

So what can we do in this situation?  Other postings in this thread offer various
alternatives.  But assuring the trucker that "We were here first!" probably won't
be effective.

-- 
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: bike locks
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:38:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.163552.16104@husc3.harvard.edu> ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose) writes:
>It's my understanding that some thieves are now going to such lengths as
>to spray locks with liquid nitrogen and then shatter them, leaving the
>puzzled bike owner to find his bike gone and billions of lock fragments
>scattered about. 

I consider this to be a myth. However, one person on the net
told us that he had tried it on a cheap U-lock and it had actually
worked. He also added tht it didn't work on a Kryptonite lock
as I recall.

I find it hard to believe that bicycle thieves would carry a vacuum
bottle of LN around. And freon -- which is the usual material in this
myth -- doesn't get nearly cold enough to make metal brittle.

From: jbrandt@hplred.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:41:56 GMT
Subject: Hit and Run (the results)
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

From the "Times Tribune"... 

Hit-and-run teen driver is given two years for injuring bicyclist

by Kerry McCray

The Redwood City man convicted of hitting and severely injuring a
bicyclist with his car and then leaving the scene was committed to two
years in a youth prison.

Driver Dwane Wray, 19, hit a Woodside resident Mark Anolik, a
professional bicyclist, head-on June 29 on Skyline Boulevard and fled.

Wray returned home along the same route and saw the victim lying on
the side of the road, but he did not stop or call police, according to
California Highway Patrol officer.

Anolik, 26, recovering from severely broken legs, wheeled his
wheelchair into San Mateo County Superior Court wearing shorts,
revealing a crisscross of scars on hi swollen left leg.

He told the court a prison sentence wouldn't make up for his physical
and emotional pain, according to his attorney. "Nobody can ever give
him his life back," Serrato said.  "He may never be able to ride
again."

Wray's court-appointed attorney, Bill Johnston, said his client is
remorseful.  Wray, a former special education student in high school,
has developmental disabilities that impair his ability to make
decisions, Johnston said.  "I don't believe he's a malicious, callous,
bad person." Johnston said.  "He's easily swayed by his peers."

Traveling with friends in his Pontiac Firebird, Wray turned off his
headlights in the fog as a joke moments before drifting across the
center line and hitting Anolik, CHP Officer Richard Giovando testified
in the preliminary hearing.

About 15 minutes later, Wray saw the victim lying on the side of the
road while returning home but did not stop or call police, Giovando
said.  Wray later had car trouble and pulled to the side of the road,
removing a piece of clothing with flesh from the front end of his car,
Giovando said.  Giovando testified that Wray joked to his friends,
"There is Spandex with meat on my car."

According to Serrato, Wray's friends urged Wray to stop and report the
crime, but Wray refused.

A judge set bail for Wray at $1 million in early July, an unusually
high amount.  Typical bail for a hit-run accident is $10,000.  But the
judge reduced bail to $25,000 early last month saying that although
the crime was "egregious," $1 million bail was excessive.

Anolik left Stanford University Hospital last month after a series of
leg reconstruction operations.  He has returned to his Woodside home
to continue recovering from chest and leg injuries.  It is not clear
if Anolik will be able to ride a bicycle again.  Serrato said.

END of article

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: frankw@rice.edu (Frank Whitby)
Subject: Immaculate GT Avalanche For Sale
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:24:09 GMT


October 10, 1992
Frank Whitby
Houston TX
frankw@rice.edu

Immaculate GT Avalanche For Sale

18 inch, 1990 model purchased new in spring 1991.
Less than 500 easy miles on it.  All Deore DX
components, Araya RM-17 anodized, Ritchy tires, etc.
All in perfect condition.  An excellent high
performance MTB.   $600.00



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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: New Idiot In The Group
Keywords: Nugent, Halen, GWAR
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:57:47 GMT

In article <4030@cvbnetPrime.COM>, tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson) writes:
> Ladies and Gentlemen;
> 
> 	I was fortunate enough to read a crosspost from rec.motorcycles
> and am interested in mountain biking. I took it up this year and am 
> pretty psyched about it in general. I few questions....
> 
> 1) Is there a rec.mountainbike, or is this the place??
> 2) Does anyone know of me from rec.motorcycles??

Tod, you are in trouble now.  Pay me lots of money, and maybe, just
maybe, rec.bicycles won't hear about you and the little girls with
tennis balls.

Incidentally, this group (rec.bicycles) is likely to disappear soon,
or at least it should, as it has been replaced by the rec.bicycles.*
hierarchy.  I forget what all of the subgroups are, but start out with
rec.bicycles.misc, and maybe, Tod, if you're a good boy, we'll let you
read the others.

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