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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: best beer under $6
Summary: Sorry for the confusion; here are my picks.
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:52:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
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In article <1992Oct08.145613.6830@brtph560.bnr.ca> trice@bnr.ca writes:
>In article <1av2h3INNns4@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>, plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
>|>    I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, but this kind of posting
>|> should probably be restricted to a local distribution, if possible.
...
>I disagree, the only thing in that posting that alienates outside the
>triangle (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill NC) is the mention of two grocery
>stores in our area that also have stores in NC, VA, OH, KY, TN, WV, SC, GA.

   Ok, you're right.  If you, a guy from North Carolina who posts
from an address that looks suspiciously Canadian, want recommendations
on good beer that costs less than $6/sixpack from a guy who lives in
Rhode Island, here it is: go to either Steve's Liquor store on
University Avenue in Madison, Wisconsin (especially look for Capital
Brewing's offerings), or to the Von's near Caltech in Pasadena,
California (it's sorta behind Burger Continental).  You'll find a lot
of good brews under $6/sixpack.  Also, there are some stores in the
Boston area where one can find beers from Catamount, New Haven Brewing,
and Geary, among others, for about $6/six.  All those breweries brew
fine beers.  And then there was this place in Florida somewhere between
the Holiday Inn in Cocoa Beach and the Kennedy Space Center which had
Guinness for $5 (keep an eye on the weather, since the road goes right
next to the ocean, and can be quite hazardous if the surf's up).
   I was under the impression that you wanted locally available
recommendations at local prices.  I apologize for my misunderstanding.
Let me know what you end up with from Von's (avoid the Kaiserdom
Rauchbier, though; it takes some getting used to), and what you think
of Capital's Garten Brau (especially the Special, which just won a
medal at the GABF-- great stuff!).
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Garten Brau Special (was: best beer under $6)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 18:14:51 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <PALOU.92Oct8172127@osnome.che.wisc.edu> palou@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Ignasi Palou-Rivera) writes:
>* I've noticed that a number of Lagers are called Special. Does that
>name mean anything? Any similar characteristics?

   I think it's like any other US advertising-type term, in that
in general it has no particular meaning.  Giving a small brewer
the benefit of the doubt, I think the most it could mean is that
special care and/or ingredients (e.g. more and/or more expensive
hops or malt) were used for the "Special" brew, sorta like the
British use the terms "Best" and "Extra Special" for bitters.
In the case of Garten Brau, though, I think it's just a way to
distinguish the lager from the pilsner (aka Special).
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: Re: Duvel
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:59:19 EDT

In <1bfa6lINNcgb@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.145251.25154@shearson.com>, scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:
>|> it was a good beer .. light taste .. but far to expensive.. $3.25 for one bottle.
>|> but i had to try it.. it didnt have the extraordinary taste i was hoping for ... but at least it didnt taste foul... i would have been upset .. 
>|> anyone else have this beer ?

>Yes, I had some about 1 1/2 years ago, and if I remember correctly, absolutely
>*loved* it.  It had the best head I've ever gotten from bottled beers, and
>had a light, bitter taste which actually seemed to play with your taste buds
>(not take them over).

DUVEL is described as "the world's most beguiling beer" by M. Jackson
and I fully understand his reasoning. The flavor may seem a bit of a
let-down to someone looking for a knock-your-sox-off first time taste
experience, but try 2-3(-4) sometime and really study the taste as it
flows over the various types of tastebuds in your mouth. For something
so light a bubbly it is extrordinarily complex, but very subtle...

>I'll have to pick up some more now that I think about it 8-)

Good idea! Mee too!

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From: x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu (Roger Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Weinhard in Iowa
Date: 8 Oct 1992 18:18:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH.
Reply-To: x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In reply to Tim at Buena Vista College, Henry Weinhard products aren't 
marketed in Iowa...or maybe even east of the Rockies. They are owned by 
Heileman. Their address is 1133 West Burnside St., Portland,OR 97209.

Roger
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Roger Brown, x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu
Extension Communications, Iowa State University, Ames Iowa.
From: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph Nathan Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: OLD NICK!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 07:55:29 EDT
Organization: 5 Sigma Software
Reply-To: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us
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In article <1992Oct13.234116.24151@news2.cis.umn.edu> (alt.beer), lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
) [...] Old Nick is a high alcohol
) ale with a taste distinctive to all Young's ales. It should be sipped and 
) not chugged, gulped or pounded. It's a good after dinner or late night
) beer and certainly not a session beer.
                           ^^^^^^^

Hey, I had a session with a friend a while back where we put down
bottles of Old Nick, MacAndrews, Celebrator, Samichlaus Dark, and not
a few sturdy homebrews ... sipping, not guzzling, is the key.  Allot
a few hours and get a couple of Van Damme or Segal cassettes for the
VCR.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Killian's Controversy (was Re: american beer)
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:53:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.183921.27869@netcom.com> gooley@netcom.com
(Mark. "Goo-goo-be-joob" Gooley) writes:
>Killian's Red?
>
>Are we talking of the same beer here?  The one brewed by Coors?
>
>Last I had it, I thought it undrinkable.  Did I get a bad batch?
>For here are apparently-sane people classing it with the Sierra
>Nevada (not always great but usually good) products.

This does come up every now and then, and I always like to voice my
opinion when it does: I find Killian's GREAT, despite being brewed by
Coors (is it really?  I've never seen the proof...).  I think the
smooth, nutty flavour is almost, not quite, but almost exactly like
that of another oft-maligned beer, Smithwick's Ale from Ireland.  Most
Irish will scoff, but I really think Smithwick's is one of the world's
great ales.

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From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: best beer under $6
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:17:39 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

IMHO, Sam Adams regular lager is better than Berghoff, either the bottled brew
or the one from the restaurant.  Sam Adams has much more character than the
Berghoff brew.  

OTOH, I also think that Berghoff's Bock is much better than Sam Adams'
Doppelbock, or whatever they called it.  The Doppelbock reminded me so much of
their Oktoberfest, I could have sworn it was the same recipe.

I have had two other Berghoff brews, however.  The Berry ale is weak and
relatively useless.  Your better off getting a good wheat beer and adding half
a shot of Chambourd to it.  Makes for a very nice drink.

But I was pleasantly surprised by their IPA.  It wasn't earth shaking but I
could find myself drinking it quite a bit.  One complaint I might have is that
it seemed a bit weak on the hops.

I have seen neither of these last two beers bottled, only on tap.

Mike Wilson
brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us
From: gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: american beer
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:39:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Killian's Red?

Are we talking of the same beer here?  The one brewed by Coors?

Last I had it, I thought it undrinkable.  Did I get a bad batch?
For here are apparently-sane people classing it with the Sierra
Nevada (not always great but usually good) products.

Am I going 'round the twist?

Mark., it had a thin, insincere, rather hoppy taste, if I recall...
gooley@netcom.com
From: daniel@raphael.acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Black and Tans!
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:41:42 GMT

In article <brewer.07j2@meltdown.chi.il.us>, brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson) writes:
|> 
|> My question is, why would anyone want it to?  I mean, if you don't want it
|> mixed, don't mix it.  Right?  

'Cause it's cool when it works, that's why.

T. Daniel Crawford
Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry
From: dmcdonal@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Don McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Great American Beer Festival 1992
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:00:02 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

On October 3 & 4th, Denver once again hosted the greatest beer festival of
the year.  Over 200 american breweries showed their smiling faces and
brought with them over 700 great beers.  An estimated (I haven't heard
this year's exact number yet) 15,000 people attended over the two days. 
If you are in search of a great weekend retreat and appreciate beer, keep
this in mind for next year!  For info contact the association of brewers
in Boulder, Colorado.

( Don McDonald )

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert)
Subject: Re: Sanichlaus Beer-MOST Expensive Beer
Originator: robl@macro
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:48:36 GMT


In article <7NVRBVF5@cc.swarthmore.edu>, mrapp@cc.swarthmore.edu (Michael Rapp) writes:
|> The beer store near here sells six-packs of Sanichlaus Beer,brewed by Hurliman
|> in Switzerland for a whopping $23.65 !! This is a store which sells most
|> imported brands for around $7.00 per six-pack. I've never tasted it, but I
|> noticed the label said "Rare Swiss Beer" and "Guiness Book Of Records". My
|> questions are:
|> 1) What's it taste like ?
   
    Hard to describe, but it's full bodied and intensely malty, with an
    alcoholic warmth almost like a liquor. A quintessential sipping beer.

|> 2) What record does it hold ?

    It's the strongest regularly brewed beer in the world. It weighs in at
    around 14% alcohol by volume, roughly three times the strength of 
    most 'everyday' beers. 

    There are specialty beers that are stronger. A couple of years ago
    a British brewery produced a product called Domesday Ale that was, I
    believe, over 15%, but that was a one-time-only undertaking.

|> 3) What makes it  rare ?

    Aside from its strength, which is unique, it's actually a Christmas beer;
    'Samichlaus' translates to 'Santa Claus'. It's brewed only once a year,
    in December, and usually released the following December. Despite this
    infrequent brewing schedule, it's not hard to find (around me anyway).
    It isn't a quick seller, so stores that carry it rarely run out. 

|> 
|>                Michael
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: OLD NICK!
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:55:51 GMT

o.k. i tried last friday for lunch ... 
i wasnt thrilled ... cool bottle yes .. decent taste yes... but it was far to heavy for me and i like a heavy beer .. i think that barley wine style isnt for me ... i tried to appreciate it .. i discerned the different texture and flavor it had compared to what i have had .. but i couldnt enjoy it enogh.. 
i feel its a beer to be drunk after u have had a few ... like a six pack.. of another brand.. 
but uit appears that many people swear by this beer .. so what did i miss that u people enjoy ?

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
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 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dechc00@tohi.garrot (CHRISTIAN DECHAMPLAIN)
Subject: Appologies (Re: american beer)
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et
	d'Informatique
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:04:53 GMT


Someone from USA posts:

You obviously haven't had any of the better American beers.  I don't know
what you can get in Canada, but we DO make some good stuff.  Examples:

[list deleted (kept it though)]

I'm sorry for the attitude I showed in my post.  Still the replyers didn't
seem to get the point and were misleaded by my showing of disgust.
Anyways I agree and understand that you don't like to talk about crap,
anywhere it might come from.  You can be sure I'm gonna learn your list by
heart before my next visit to the states.  I'm even gonna give you some names
in return so you can do the same next time you come to Montreal.

Call for a pitcher of:
Boreale (brune ou blonde)
Belle gueule

Drink it and then call for an other or if you are not so thirsty, call for
a bottle of Blanche de Chamblis, une imitation de la Blanche de Bruges from
Belgium but made in Chamblis, Quebec.  These are some brews from my coin de
pays that are widely available.










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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scotte@atlastele.com (Scott Elam)
Subject: Re: Henry Weinhard in Iowa?
Organization: Vote NO on Measure 9!  Ban the OCA!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:55:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.115419.2265@bvc.edu> tims@bvc.edu writes:
>Does anyone know where I can find some Henry Weinhard Private Reserve in 
>Northwest Iowa?  Or does anyone have an address for Henry W./Blitz Weinhard 
>Brewery in Portland, Oregon??
>
>Thanks tons,
>
>TIM
>
>

Blitz Weinhard Brewing Co
1133 W. Burnside
Portland, OR 97209

503/222-4351
503/248-6382


Call 'em and tell 'em what you think!  Personally I'd rather have a
Widmer, Bridgeport, Full Sail, Deschutes, Rogue, or anything else
brewed in Portland.

-- 
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your imagination."                                 scotte@atlastele.com        
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: feed me
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:13:51 GMT

i wont even put on what i am anwering to. .but it was pretty rude if u ask me ... 
this is a co-ed discussion group... and language like that should stay at the back of the bar ... 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: fritz@triguy.East.Sun.COM (Steve Fritzinger - SE Sun Washington,DC.)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: MOST expensive beer
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:23:18 GMT
Reply-To: fritz@triguy.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: triguy.east.sun.com

I once paid $12.00 for a 7 oz. bottle of
Thomas Harding Stout Ale.  Thomas Harding
is unusual because it is the only beer I
know of that you lay down like wine, and
let age for a couple of years.  This bottle
was 5 years old.

I didn't really like it all that much, but
figured I had to try it once.

Steve Fritzinger   --  steve.fritzinger@East.Sun.COM
The First Rule of Holes:
When you're in one, stop digging.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885)
Subject: Re: best beer under $6
Reply-To: trice@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 12:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.234615.5675@samba.oit.unc.edu>, geiger@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Ralph Geiger) writes:
|> A question for all:
|> 
|> What's the best beer available in the US for under $6 a six-pack?  I'm
|> looking for a good everyday brew.  By the way, I'm currently trapped in
|> Chapel Hill, NC, so please don't torture me with poetic descriptions of
|> micro-brewery products available only in Vermont or some such place!
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> 

For under $5 a six pack you can get George Killians (sp?) from just about
and grocery store.  Not a bad beer considering where it is comming from and
the quantities it is produced in.

For under $6 a six pack (in no particular order):

Sam Adams
Fosters
Guiness (sp?)
Negra Modelo              
Anchor Steam (yes, I have seen it for $5.99)

It all depends on what kind of brew you like.  Winn Dixie has a bad selection
and Food Lion's isn't much better, but they are both cheap.  Kroger has a
pretty good selection but is a bit more expensive.

Hope that helps!

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:34:45 EDT
From: <JJB133@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject:    Vote for Perot

   Unlike GHWB or Bill Clinton, my candidate has NEVER raised the beer
tax.

  In Pa. you can volunteer to help us out by calling 1-800-360-ROSS.

James Berthelot
Worthington Campus
Penn State
Scranton, Pa.                 The usual disclamers...

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: palou@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Ignasi Palou-Rivera)
Subject: Re: UK top ten imports
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:15:30
In-reply-to: jb@crosfield.co.uk's message of 9 Oct 92 14:51:46 GMT

In article <15584@suns502.crosfield.co.uk> jb@crosfield.co.uk (john bartram) writes:

>   Last week the Independent had an article on imported bottle beer. It went
>   into some detail about the social climate in some of London's fast
>   growing 'Bottle Only' bars and pubs. The bottom line seems to be that
>   marketing is everything and taste runs a poor third. A list was published
>   of the top ten imported beers into the UK.
>
>	   5.	San Miguel
>
>   jb@crosfield.co.uk		We shall swally on the beaches, We shall
>   tel: +44 0442-230000-x3267	swally in the streets and kebab houses,
>				we shall never be sober.   Rab C.  Nesbitt.

Is this San Miguel the one from Spain or from the Pilippines?
Since you post from the UK I'll guess is the Spanish brew (they always
claim to be the no. 1 exported Spanish beer). I think it's an OK beer,
but nothing to be crazy about (it's hard to imagine why anybody would
drink that in the UK if it's not for sentimental reasons).

Does anybody know what is the relation between the two San Miguel
breweries? I'm sure at one point there were the same, since tei logo
is almost exact.

Ignasi.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Killian's Red
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:47:54 GMT

gfl@hera.uucp (22402-lenahan) writes:

>> Killian's Red (Bottled by Coors but you wouldn't know it)

>Oh, some of us would.  Its light and salty, no serious
>maltiness (despite its colour), and kinda "poppy".
>Yep, its Coors alright.

Alas, I must agree.

When Coors first brought it out it was called Killian's Red Ale.
It was a genuine ale, both in process and in flavor.  It was
quite good- similar to Bass.  Then the bean counters suddenly
got an idea... Hey! If we just added a little color to our
regular product and dropped the word "Ale" from the label, we'd
appeal to a wider market and sell much more!  I'm afraid that
Killian's, in it's current rendition, is little more than
standard Coors with a little bit of amber coloring.

Jon Binkley
From: bickham@msc.cornell.edu (Scott Bickham)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: An altbier on the East Coast!
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:37:12 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center


	Last night I have the pleasure of drinking a bottle of
Geary's Hampshire Special Ale, 1992-93.  It is the only beer that
I have had this side of Duesseldorf that tastes anything like a
true altbier.
	It has a deep copper color and a beautiful malty aroma.  The
first taste sensation is a smooth maltiness, with a medium to full
body and then it is finishes with a clean, long-lasting bitterness.
There is very little fruitiness or hop flavor.  The only possible style
flaw is that it may be slightly full in body compared to true altbiers,
but then we could just call it a Sticke.  I was so impressed that I pulled
out my Zum Uerige beer mat so that my glass could have a proper resting
place ;-)

Cheers,
	Scott
From: john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: CAVE CHILI BEER
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:58:30
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: sekrit.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: cii6702@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu's message of 12 Oct 92 21:01:42 GMT

>>>>> On 12 Oct 92 21:01:42 GMT, cii6702@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chris Martinez) said:

Chris> Does anyone know where this beer is made, I think its domestic
Chris> but am not certain?  A friend and I tried it at the Weinkeller
Chris> in a suburb of Chicago and I'm wondering where I can have
Chris> another friend purchase it in St. Louis.  It had a distinct
Chris> flavor, probably due to the jalepeno pepper at the bottom of
Chris> the bottle.  I need to know by 10-15-92 as he will be leaving
Chris> from St.  Louis that night.

I think it is made in Arizona.  At least that is where the chili beer
I had came from.  Not worth the bother.  

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