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From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Waterstarts, the saga continues...
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:09:35 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <8eNhZDK00XQG110V49@andrew.cmu.edu> rc3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Clay) writes:
>In article <connolly.711297916@vincent1.iastate.edu> connolly@iastate.edu (Patr
>ick H Connolly) writes:
>>What I'm looking for is : how you orient the
>>board & sail, getting the sail to lift out of the water,
>>and how to get going (without turning into the wind, etc.)  I know
>>that you need high wind, etc., but how much?
>

Here are a few:

1) Find a place with plenty of wind. You'll learn quicker if you are being
catapulted than if you are struggling to even get the wind to pick you up.

2) With practice you will be able to clear the sail by pulling the mast 
toward the wind. If you have difficulty, go to the end of the mast to get it
out of the water, and then work your way down. THis is mostly useful in big
chop.

3) Another good way is to push the tail of your board under the boom. The floatation
of the board will then make getting the sail out much easier.

4) For all conditions, keep your front hand straight and control the sail with
your back hand.

5) Control the sail by sheeting in/out with your back hand. Steer the board
by exerting pressure down the mast with your front hand. Always keep your front
arm straight.

6) Point the board well downwind. There will be a tendency for the board to
round up as you come up, so start with teh board well off the wind.

7) Use whatever foot i most comfortable, but place it over the centerline of the board.

8) The closer you can get to the board, the easier your waterstart. In light
winds, you need to bring your knee right up to your chest so that your arm is
almost vertical to the boom. Kick with the other leg and step up on to the board
just like going up a big stair.

9) In heavier winds, you will be able to start with both feet on the board and
without bending your knees too much. The straighter your legs, the more the board
will round up.

10) AS you come up, aggressively pull the board under you with your back foot
to counteract the rounding up tendency and if necessary sheet out a little to avoid
being catapulted.

11) As the baord starts moving, step back, sheet in, hook in, and get in the straps.

12) With practice, you will probably find that back foot first is the best way to go.

13) With practice you will be able to waterstart in real light winds, even if
you are old and overweight like I am!

14) With practice it will become one fluid movement which looks easy.

15) I find waterstarting easier than beach starting for some reason, especially
with a small board.


Practice, practice, practice,......

Jim Munro

PS: Now if someone would just tell me how to jibe with no practice......
From: wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Good Board for Beginner?
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:48:06 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


>Before you buy that first board, be warned:  windsurfing is addictive.  (In
>my case, 38 years without owning a car ended when I needed a means to get my
>equipment to a "real" lake about 35 miles away.  Then, we traded up to a van
>so that we had something big enough to carry all my windsurfing equipment.  My
>wife claims to see an addition to the house and a semi-trailer on the horizon.)

It does not even start to get expensive until you have to purchase a second
house near your favorite sailing location.  Actually this was my wife's 
request and she has help pay for it.
From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:34:14 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

>rriv@oural.inria.fr (Robert Riviere) writes:
>: I've read in a magazin to stretch yourself after a session. I try to
>: do it, and it's *true* it makes quite a lot of goodness.
>: 

This holds true for all exercise. Not only should you stretch AFTER but
you should also stretch BEFORE. No point is giving those muscles a 
shock. Gentle stretching BEFORE, ham strings, lower back, calf muscles
etc will help prevent muscle strains. Stretching after helps release the
toxins accumalated during exercise.


As a rule stretching should be included as part of any exercise program.

gerard
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How to use a Trailer to carry boards?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:09:12 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <BrnLJ7.6CF@mail.boi.hp.com> alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) writes:
>jmp@al.UUCP (Jim Paugh) writes:

>: 	2) I want to be able to cruse the hwy at 70 mph while pulling the
>: 	   trailor, so stability is a must.  I've seen small utility trailors
>: 	   at home building supplies for ~$200, with sprung susspensions and 
>: 	   12" or 13" diameter wheels, would this handle 70 mph??

a) Trailers are subject to either 50 or 55 mph speed limit and are not
allowed in the fast lane of many freeways.

b) I've often seen trailers which have shredded theses little tires, or lost
wheels.


If I were looking for a quickie way to get going with a PU truck, I'd be
inclined to look at ways of loading up my gear into a unit which could be
easily hoisted on and off the truck bed. This way you'll have none of the hassles
of trailering.

Of course, with a camper shell, you can shove everything in the back
and always be ready to go. It'll even save space in your garage.

Jim Munro
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: brunnerj@albinoni.Colorado.EDU (John Brunner)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Reply-To: brunnerj@albinoni.Colorado.EDU (John Brunner)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:08:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.190049.2012@ncar.ucar.edu>, cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu) writes:

>  Stretching and massage are the only ways that I've heard of to accelerate
>  the removal of lactic acid from the muscle tissues.  
>  I haven't heard of general lethargy being associated with lactic acid build
>  up, usually just burning sensations when you're over-exerting and specific
>  muscle soreness afterwards.
>  
I started using Cytomax sports drink after having problems last spring
with leg cramps during bicycle races.  It has some ingredient which
is supposed to buffer lactic acid and prevent the burning sensation.  It
seems to work for me (or maybe it's because my conditioning is better); 
in any case I think of it as cheap insurance.  

John
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
Subject: Re: Shipping a Brick! (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Reply-To: alain@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:58:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.043932.6319@a.cs.okstate.edu>, hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:
|> ....  So I asked the clerk about shipping several different size
|> packages from Stillwater to Miami, Florida, at the residential rate
|> (shipping to a comercial business is cheaper), by ground service.
|> And look what I found:
|> 
|>                 1 lb.           3.03
|>                 2 lb.           3.40
|>                 5 lb.           4.01
|>                10 lb.           4.76     (in U.S. dollars)
|>                15 lb.           6.20
|>                20 lb.           7.67
|>                30 lb.          10.63
|> 
|> Well, what about size limits?
|>                length           <= 108"  ( 9 ft.)
|>                length + girth   <= 130"  ( a box 6 ft. x 2 ft. x 6 in.)
|>                weight           <= 70 lb.
|> 
|> How about insurance? Up to $100 - free, 30 cents for every $100 over that.
|> 
|> ..........stuff deleted.........
|> 
|> Anyway past on the UPS information, and if anybody wants call a few
|> frieght companies and find out the true cost of shipping a broad
|> across the country.
|> 

Interresting, especially when you consider that all of the mail order
places I called wanted to change me $79 or so for S&H for the Ecstacy
board (8'4'' around 17Lbs) or similar sizes boards. It seems it would
really cost around $10 given your figures...Hummm...

P.S. I ended up buying the board localy since the price was pretty much
the same (taking taxes versus S&H cost). I much prefer make a local shop
make a sale rather than some distant mail order place if the price is
right..

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From: jthan@rrdstrad.nist.gov (Jonathan M. Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: No Olympic Windsurfing Coverage?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:47:33 GMT
Organization: NIST and Harvard University

I believe that there will be _no_ olympic windsurfing coverage at all on
any of the channels, including the olympic triplecast (which costs ~$145
including tax, I passed on it...).

Is this true all over the world?

Is there no justice! I heard (from a olympian) that the competition was
incredible in the '88 Olympics, and would have been very entertaining
for the general public. Did anybody see it?!

Geeeeze...

-Jthan
From: blukie@msgate.corp.apple.com (Alan Samuel)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Sailing Charlotte, NC???
Date: 17 Jul 92 01:23:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple


I am about to relocate from the bay area to Charlotte, NC and I need a little
help.  I'm wondering if there are any decent sailing sites.  I don't want to sell my new 
F2 equipment if I can still sail it in North Carolina.  Any info on this would be 
greatly apreciated.   IS THERE WINDSURFING IN NEAR CHARLOTTE???????

On the flip side, do I sell my snowboard????  
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:54:37 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>morning after a long days blasting?

This is something I was going to look into soon as well.  I
don't have the headaches or dizziness, but I definitely have
lethargy the day after sailing, and my muscles don't seem to
have any glycogen stored in them because even a simple weight
workout is almost impossible for me.  The muscle tiredness 
that I experience after windsurfing is much, much
different than what I experience after a heavy weight workout.
The weight workout creates a very localized soreness in just
those muscles that were exercised, and I only feel pain in the
muscle when I use it.  To contrast, windsurfing creates a
generalized weakness in nearly every muscle in my body and a
sensation that I lack the energy to do any exercise the following 
day.

One theory I'm toying with is that lactic acid builds up in the
muscles while windsurfing, and it might be that some of us are
not very efficient at removing all traces of the lactic acid
buildup.  Maybe someone who runs marathons would have some idea
as to whether the feeling that I describe has anything to do
with lactic acid?  Is there anything that you can take to
accelerate the removal of lactic acid?

Thanks,
Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Broken Downhauls
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:15:48 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Jul20.195110.19194@leland.Stanford.EDU>, edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:
|> 
|> Are you using something other than this plastic thing? or are you using 
|> this, but it is in fact strong enough to handle all the force?  (what kind
|> of sails are you using?)
|> 

 Hi,
	I use "clamcleats" pulley hooks, they do a couple of types,
each of which is coated aluminium with three (?) rollers and an integral
cleat.

 The "hook" type (I use) has 3 rollers, a hefty hook and a cleat in a
neat package which fits the cringles in most windsurfing sails. It
doesn't work with those incredibly stupid NP fittings which I understand
that they are finally scrapping.

 The "base" type has a hole for a stop knot, three rollers and a cleat
and is designed so that it can hang below the bottom of the mast
extension by a cm or so.

 By using these fittings and the appropriate opposite end you can set
up a 6:1 downhaul with minimal friction which can be attached to your
sail in no time. It will downhaul the sail to about a centimetre or
so above the UJ by overlapping the pulley fittings.

 If you are racing you may care about the extra centimetre of downhaul.

 If you are sailing for fun then the 10 minutes it saves you every time
you rig up a sail may well be worth it. I get 10 mins by adding the
time spent setting up the downhaul ropes to the time spent trying to
get the **** thing tight enough and add in a little extra for the times
you can't find your easy-rigg/boom tube/Kirk.

	W. (why rig when you could be sailing?)

--
VitSea 292, Tiga Slalom, Baxter 270 wave and half a Fanatic Bee,
6.2 Topsail 5.1/4.6 Tushinghams 4.2 sShokwave & half a Gaastra 3.2 :-)
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From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: More Stuff For Sale
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:49:42 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

Seatrend 9'1" Randy French Slalom Board. Oldie but a goodie. Straps and fin $250

Adjustable boom with Chinook Clamp-On front end. No-name boom with front end added.
Good condition except for some scuffing along the grip. Ok where you hold on.  $60


NP 5.9 Speed Sail. RAF design in excellent condition. Hardly used. Probably 1988.
     $150


Jim Munro

408-473-2497

PS: If someone would just send me $900 for my new epoxy race board, I wouldn't
have to bother selling this stuff!




Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Subject: Re: shopping in Or
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:50:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

: >Any suggestions for decent places to pick up
: >cheap gear in the Columbia-Hood River area?

I'm a satisfied customer of Windance, having bought and sold things
there numerous times.  They work well at long distance, too.

_____________
Tom von Alten           email: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Subject: Lake Lopez info?
Reply-To: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: ca
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:45:07 GMT

I starting to think about a camping trip, sometime in the Fall.  Anyone
have any info on what conditions are like at Lake Lopez in say, October?
On the other hand, if there's a better place that time of year, I'd like
to hear about that, too.

p.s. Ideally, there would be a lot of things for non-sailors to do as well.
--
 +-----+ Trevor Hall                     
 |    #| Database Engineer               "My dogma's better than your
 |     | Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.   dogma, my dogma's better
 +-----+ thall@sequent.com                than yours."
From: dlumby@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Lumby)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Windsurfing in the Dominican Republic ??
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:06:19 GMT
Reply-To: dlumby@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Lumby)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


I'm looking into the possibility of a 14-day windsurfing holiday to
Carabette (sp?) in the Dominican Republic at the end of Aug / early Sept
this year. If anyone has been windsurfing in Carabette or has any info on
the place I'd like to hear about it.

The holiday brochures indicate that you can expect winds of F4 and above 80%
of the time in Aug/Sept - is this true ?

How reliable are the winds ?

What am I likely to spend on meals, beers etc.

What the hire gear like ? I don't really want to transport all my gear from
the UK.

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

	Dave

PS Just seen the weather forecast for the weekend :-(
Dave Lumby, Software Maintene[e]ance Group, Software Technology Division, BT
Research Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, UK
Phone:  +44 473 642613
E-mail: dlumby@axion.bt.co.uk
"I don't mind valid criticism, as long as it doesn't come from other people"
From: gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: catapults
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:29:45 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Acadia University


>>5. My chest harness has a quick release mechanism for
>>   quick exit when tangled with the harness lines.  I
>>   have not seen anything similar for the seat harnesses.
>>   Is there a seat model which really is quick release? 


  Yes, windsurfing hawaii makes a quick release seat harness.
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:50:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

How many people don't experience these symptoms?  I don't think I ever 
have.   I don't get much sailing in Colorado.  Once a week March thru
June in a good year, but I do get to destinations where I sail every day 
for a week or two a couple times a year.  (Gorge next week.)  I get an
extremely dry mouth while I'm out on the water.  I usually try to scoop
a bit of water to wet the whistle every 20 minutes or so.  But no 
depression or lethargy following the sessions.

It seems there are quite a few people who experience this.  How many
don't?
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: New Board Advice.....phase two.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:41:40 GMT

In article <abhmqyh.westes@netcom.com> westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral) writes:
>

[All our deleted comments are well taken.]

>I am a very satisfied Bic customer.  I am simply pointing out that
>they should round out their line rather than continue to specialize
>around fast slalom boards.  Variety is the spice of life.  

I understand what your concerns are Will and agree with most of them. However,
the fact is BIC historically has been in the market to satisfy the quote 
"recreational" sailor. Some of their models are even fast. The truth is they
never really had a board to suit the race oriented sailors. Although the
adagio or even the E-rock could perform well in local regattas they do not 
match the caliber of boards in the national ranking fleet.

They are slowly trying to create boards that will satisfy the racer. First
real attempt came with the RAP and the Presto. They are now gearing up to 
challenge race machines like the F2, Fanatic, and Mistral boards. We will
see more and more boards that go straight and fast with hull weights in the
low teens (aka World Cup).

On the other hand they will continue to make boards like the adagio, rock and
alto to satisfy the NOT so race oriented sailors. That is why they have two
or three boards with the same length and liter specs. Different handling
boards for different conditions. Either way I'm sure both of us will be
happy with the lineup which is BIC's marketing strategy.

Personally, I own an 8'6 wave/slalom custom (Fox) which I use for my 
"recreational" enjoyment. All my other boards ('92 Mega Cat, '93 Fanatic/BIC
whichever catches my interest) are to help me place in those national ranking
regattas (doesn't always happen :-) ).


-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Phasers, ...
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:13:00 GMT
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.

In article <Bs828t.Cyv@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca>, pjolicoe@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca writes:
> In article <1992Jul30.164112.6748@leland.Stanford.EDU> edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:
> >
> >There's that word again.  What exactly is a phaser (I'm sure Kirk knows
> >:-) )?
> 
> phasers are to the bottom of a board as dimples are to a golf ball.
> 
> on windsurfing boards the diameter similar to that of a tennis ball.
> 
> Dimples make golf balls go further, and probably makes boards go faster...

If I'm not mistaken, Angulo was the first to put the dimples on a board and 
that was a wave board.  I heard they were there for early planing capability.

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From: krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com (Kevin Krueger)
Subject: Re: Re: More Mail Order Complaints (and other complaints)
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:30:58 GMT
Summary: Poor service . . . frustration ! 
Keywords: n

I've read all the articles about these mail order joints and their
poor service and I thought I'd relate my experience with terribly
poor service from a sail loft !  The bad service is not strictly
related to mail order houses.

About two months ago, I bought a Simmer Style Race 9.0.  It's a sweet
sail with six battens, 3cams, mono, ... the works.  The sales rep.
tells me that I'll never have a problem with this sail - it'll last
a lifetime.  Well, sure enough, listen to a salesman and you'll be
hosed every time - one of the battens ("I've never seen one break" -
sales guy) breaks in the camber.  

The sales rep. is out of town, so I call Simmer directly in Maui.
I give the Simmer dude the particulars and he says he may not be
able to send it free because they don't warranty their battens !
I empathised and told him I'll pay shipping and nothing else.

Threee weeks later I get nothing, so I call Simmer.  They say that
this guy is on vacation and they know nothing about it.  He will send
me another one as soon as possible.  So I wait another two weeks - no
batten !

Now I am pissed - my attitude at this point is batten within four days
or I return the sail and try an AeroTech or Sailworks.  I call Simmer
and they have no record of any shipment, so I got pissed and laid it
on the line for him.   Well, I received the batten in three days, BUT
it is not the correct flexibility for the sail !!  AARRGGHHH!!!!

Is there no hope for consumers ?!

Kevin
 

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul)
Subject: Re: No Olympic Windsurfing Coverage?
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:26:16 GMT

jthan@rrdstrad.nist.gov (Jonathan M. Richardson) writes:

>I believe that there will be _no_ olympic windsurfing coverage at all on
>any of the channels, including the olympic triplecast (which costs ~$145

Don't worry you are not missing anything - there has been no Yachting 
events due to lack of wind and the forcast for the rest of the week is for
_no_ wind. If this happens these events might have to be concluded _after_ the
closing ceremony. I believe there is no minimum wind limit for this event, so
when they say no wind they mean < 1 mph!

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Protect me from what I want" - Jenny Holzer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barry Paul, Computer Science,                                bpaul@maths.tcd.ie
Trinity College Dublin, Ireland                                   (01) 702-1531
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