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   From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
   Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
   Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:24:46 GMT
   Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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   In a previous article, kirby@xerox.com (Mike Kirby) says:

   >I would be willing to bet that you are for better government, 
   >not necessarily less.  

   No, I'm for less government, across-the-board.
   If you can't drink without getting in trouble, the
   answer is to drink less.  The same goes for gambling,
   eating, and drugging.  No matter what you're doing,
   if you can't do it and stay out of trouble, then the
   answer is to cut down on what you're doing.  

If you can't do it well, do it less?  Sounds good, but I think it's a
bit too simple.  By this logic, suicide would be the correct course of
action for those who can't seem to get their lives together.

   The best thing we can do for Somalia, other countries,
   and ourselves, is to declare our intention to reduce
   the size and scope of government, and start doing it.
   The next step is to see if other nations will follow.
   If they don't, then they really don't want peace.

Or they haven't accepted your definition of wanting peace.  Which is
the bigger crime?

John C
From: arb@presto.ig.com (Dan Arbios)
Newsgroups: alt.tasteless.jokes,alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Joker
Keywords: Somalia
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:50:03 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics Inc., Mtn. View, Ca.


What do you call a Somalian taking a crap in public?
















A Show-Off!
From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: Somalia
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:34:57 GMT

In article <1hu07eINNhoc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes:
>
>In a previous article, perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) says:
>
>>>You don't judge a proposal on its own merits; you judge
>>>by comparing it to what you already have.  What other
>>>peace proposal do you have?
>>
>>How about the tried and true "one person, one vote?"  
>
>Less government is the path to peace.  One man one vote has
>given us nothing but more government.  The whole world's in
>a recession, but the public sector just keeps on growing.
>Think again.
>-- 
>=======================
>"Endeavor to persevere"
>=======================

Radical political changes (capital RADICAL) in response to recession;
modifying or eliminating basic democratic rights...  Hmmm...

This sounds familiar...  but I just can't place it.  Oh, Yeah!  Wasn't
there some European country suffering massive recession, oh, 'bout 50 years
ago.  They elected this extremist type, he put bread right back on the
table, worked like gas, uh, I mean _clock_work.

Now what was his name?  Anton?  Adlewilde?  Adept?  No, that's not it...

Adolph!  That's right, Adolph!  Yeah, he did a hell of a job with a
floundering economy, jobs, food, cars...  Big time success!  

Hey, maybe this Adolph guy is still around, we can refer our friend here
to him...


-chris blask
From: awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells)
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Followup-To: alt.current-events.somalia
Summary: now we see his true colors.
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:43:43 GMT

In article <2158@celia.UUCP>, steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree) writes:
> 
>  Everyone might agree that starving people should be feed,

I for one DO NOT agree that starving people should be made into
food or "feed" as you put it. You're nuts. How can you propose
that starving people should be livestock feed? I would agree
that all starving people have a RIGHT to control their own
food supply, and in fact their own economic system. That they
don't presently is the reason why they are starving.


>  More proof positive that the vast majority of the media is just a propaganda
> wing of BIG government. We are getting close to the time when market changes

I agree. For example, NBC is owned by General Electric, one of the
biggest military contractors. So let's cut the MILITARY BUDGET by
90% and get rid of all those #$%^&*(#@ military pork barrel pigs!
 
> and technological advances will be occuring so fast that centralized, statist
> control will be impossible to perform efficiently. That of course has never 
> stopped them in the past. The current communication revolution should furnish
> everyone with a powerful workstation and access to unaltered information. We
> will no longer need someone to 'explain-it' to us. Look for statist interven-
> tion from the elites who want to keep their monopoly of the facts.
> 
>  Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.

Hey, these are great ideas. For once, on alt.current-events. soporific.
andy wells                          
awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu     
andyphys@northeastern.edu
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:33:50 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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In <6267@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at writes:

> From article <1i2cquINN9ru@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka):
> > The best thing we can do for Somalia, other countries,
> > and ourselves, is to declare our intention to reduce
> > the size and scope of government, and start doing it.
> > The next step is to see if other nations will follow.
> > If they don't, then they really don't want peace.

  Somalia's current problems derive not from too much government, but rather
from a total lack of ANY government with a longer reach than a gun barrel.

  TOO LITTLE can be just as bad as TOO MUCH.  Worse, perhaps, depending on your
point of view.  Libertarianism if fine up to a point, but first there must be
a government to be liberated from.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
********************************************************************************
* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Disarming?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:38:16 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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  In response to attacks upon itself and some sporadic violence, the US Marines
in Mogadishu have begun cracking down on arms caches and dealers.  I think most
of us would agree that this is a Good Thing [tm].  Bush previously has stated
he did not want to become involved in this way, despite the wishes of the UN
Secretary General (whose name I will not try to spell).  The increasing vio-
lence may well have forced the Pentagon's hand, since some Somali clans appar-
ently mistook the "let sleeping dogs lie" attitude of the Marines and other 
troops for weakness or unwillingness to get involved.

  I think this MAY presage a period of viciousness as some of the clans attempt
to fight to keep what they have -- which has much to do with how things got so
bad to start with.  Unless the local thuggery displays more common sense than
they have so far, they may be given an object lesson in firepower and training.
I fear that true peace will not come to Somalia until many of these groups go
the way of the Dodo bird.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
********************************************************************************
* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
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********************************************************************************
From: mausf@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.tla
Subject: Re: test
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:34:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mausf@csv.warwick.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: comfrey.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article 1ips46INNt5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, kxj6@po.CWRU.Edu (Kijin Jung) writes:
|
|testing, testing, 1,2,3
|-- 
| __ Kijin Jung ________________________ To affect the quality of the day, __
||   kxj6@po.cwru.edu                 |  that is the highest of the arts.    |
||   Case Western Reserve University  |                                      |
||__ (216) 754-1101 __________________|________________________ -Thoreau ____|


or TTOTT even ?



Simon Marsh

S.J.Marsh@csv.warwick.ac.uk

Newsgroups: alt.tla
From: istuart@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Stuart)
Subject: Re: test
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:19:41 GMT

In article <1irm04INN8qf@violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk> mausf@csv.warwick.ac.uk writes:
>In article 1ips46INNt5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, kxj6@po.CWRU.Edu (Kijin Jung) writes:
>|
>|testing, testing, 1,2,3
>|-- 
>
>or TTOTT even ?
>
At last, Life again!


--
--- Kiz (aka Ian Stuart) istuart@nyx.cs.du.edu
	{ Chivalry is not dead! - Just the Horse }
From: mausf@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.tla
Subject: Re: test
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:04:33 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mausf@csv.warwick.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: comfrey.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article 8083@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu, istuart@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Stuart) writes:
| In article <1irm04INN8qf@violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk> mausf@csv.warwick.ac.uk writes:
| >In article 1ips46INNt5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, kxj6@po.CWRU.Edu (Kijin Jung) writes:
| >|
| >|testing, testing, 1,2,3
| >|-- 
| >
| >or TTOTT even ?
| >
| At last, Life again!
|

So it seems.  


(after all three letters is the name of the game here ...)

Simon Marsh

S.J.Marsh@csv.warwick.ac.uk
From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Nice Drive
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:38:53 -0500

I recently drove through West Virginia.  I was on my wayback to Pittsburgh for
the holidays.  I took my beloved Route 19 through the mountains and on my
return trip I stopped in Blacksburg, Virginia to spend New Year's Day.  

I loved it, I loved it!  I've got applications in at two places and I hope that
one of the jobs comes through.  The Deep South has been okay these past ten
years, but I really want to get back to the mountains.

Those three crosses are spreading, too.  They're to be seen much further north
and south than before.  There is an interesting set that is way up on the top
of a mountain and is visible from the road only with difficulty.

I wanna go back!!!!

I guess I should post the rest of this to alt.whine.
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Same old story...
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:48:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan11.152806.28396@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) writes:

>     I happened to be in Southern West Virginia over the holidays draining
>my well tank (nothing better to do I guess..) and I bought a Beckley paper
>and low-and-behold in the editorial section was a brief editorial about
>appalachia's long standing problem of outside development (or lack thereof).
>It struck me being funny, since it's basically the same line they've been
>using for the past 25 years.... 'all we have is the coal industry... nobody
>wants to bring in their money... blah blah'.  Of course, they conveniently
>forget to mention that the POWERS THAT BE, don't want any development.

>     The Kresge company (parent of K-Mart) fought the POWERS THAT BE in
>Lewisburg WV for over 10 years, just trying to build a store!  Of course,
>the POWERS THAT BE are not to be taken lightly.  In Lewisburg, they happen
>to be the heirs to the Proctor and Gamble fortune.  These people want to
>keep 'THEIR' West Virginia just like it is.  They don't need development -
>if they need clothes, they jump on their Gulf Stream II which is parked out
>at White Sulphur's airport and in one hour they are in Sax Fifth Avenue.

>     Development??? Education???  Come now, that's a problem for the little
>people.  Just give 'em a mobile home and a dish, things will be just fine.


BRAVO!

Two branches of my father's family were some of the original settlers in
Greenbrier county 200-250 years ago (Coffman, Whanger, Brackman were the
primary surnames), and I swear things haven't changed since.

Them that has, gets...them that don't, get cable  :-).

--
=======================================================================
 Mike Reaser, Hewlett-Packard N. Amer. Response Center - Atlanta
 Internet:  mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com
 NBCS: B5 f t w g+ k s              I barely speak for myself, so
 #include <standard.disclaimer>       don't make me speak for HP
=======================================================================
From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Nice Drive
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:53:57 GMT
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC

In article <1993Jan7.163853.2024@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:

>I recently drove through West Virginia.  I was on my wayback to Pittsburgh for
>the holidays.  I took my beloved Route 19 through the mountains and on my
>return trip I stopped in Blacksburg, Virginia to spend New Year's Day.  

>I loved it, I loved it!  I've got applications in at two places and I hope that
>one of the jobs comes through.  The Deep South has been okay these past ten
>years, but I really want to get back to the mountains.

>Those three crosses are spreading, too.  They're to be seen much further north
>and south than before.  There is an interesting set that is way up on the top
>of a mountain and is visible from the road only with difficulty.

>I wanna go back!!!!

>I guess I should post the rest of this to alt.whine.


I too have been on that route through W.Va..  My relatives, formerly from 
Greene Co., Pa., are mostly living between Fairmont and Wheeling, W.Va.  
That part of the country has always been special to me.  I'd like to 
relocate somewhere near there if I could get a job somewhere in the vacinity.
(I'm a Biologist).

--PK Teagarden
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black)
Subject: Same old story...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:28:06 GMT

     I happened to be in Southern West Virginia over the holidays draining
my well tank (nothing better to do I guess..) and I bought a Beckley paper
and low-and-behold in the editorial section was a brief editorial about
appalachia's long standing problem of outside development (or lack thereof).
It struck me being funny, since it's basically the same line they've been
using for the past 25 years.... 'all we have is the coal industry... nobody
wants to bring in their money... blah blah'.  Of course, they conveniently
forget to mention that the POWERS THAT BE, don't want any development.

     The Kresge company (parent of K-Mart) fought the POWERS THAT BE in
Lewisburg WV for over 10 years, just trying to build a store!  Of course,
the POWERS THAT BE are not to be taken lightly.  In Lewisburg, they happen
to be the heirs to the Proctor and Gamble fortune.  These people want to
keep 'THEIR' West Virginia just like it is.  They don't need development -
if they need clothes, they jump on their Gulf Stream II which is parked out
at White Sulphur's airport and in one hour they are in Sax Fifth Avenue.

     Development??? Education???  Come now, that's a problem for the little
people.  Just give 'em a mobile home and a dish, things will be just fine.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  Jim Black     |    jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                       |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: ditches
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:12:16 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Derek and Michael Ho?  Sounds plausible.  (I used to be really into
surfing for a few years.)

A lot of surfers are great skaters.. take Christian Fletcher.  Personally,
I prefer skating tenfold at this juncture, but there may come a time that
I'll be back into surfing. Whatever.
From: darkman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (overman)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: where to shread in Santa Cruz?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:41:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In <1ilnklINNesm@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> smiths@cats.ucsc.edu (William Wesley Gray) writes:


>Did some mention Derby park. I _love_ Derby. Skate it every weekend (when
>it's not raining :(). It's basically the only place in SC. They keep
>screwing up the curbs so you can't skate them. Also, you can get derby
>to yourself if you check it early on weekday mornings.

>-Wes Gray (smiths@cats.ucsc.edu)

NO! No way! It is by no means the only place to skate in Santa Cruz! I
practically lived on my skateboard for two years in Santa Cruz, let me
see if I can recommend some other spots....

Santa Cruz High School.  A stage wit four stairs at either end, and waxed
curbs that you can easily grind, or railside down.  A nice flat concrete
surface, plus benches that are heavily waxed all around it.  Nice sized
garbage cans, a small 2 stair platform, a large stair gap in the front,
and gaps here and there.  Very fun.

Then of course there is Derby, and the elementary school next to it.

A mormon church on the north side of highway one right at the Morrisey exit.
Lots of curbs for wheelie tricks, gaps, a cool little corridor with 2 sets
of 4 stairs.  And most likely curbs for lipsliding and stuff, it's been a 
while since I have gone there.

Harbor high school.  A nice little bank by the tennis courts, hand rails,
stairs, etc.  Kind of spread out, but definitely fun.  You'll have to do
a little searching.

Capitola.  Check out Most of the banks and stuff around 41st and Capitol rd.
Manpower is REALLY fun, just be careful of cops!  If you do not look like a
typical skater, they will probably not ticket you, but you'll have to leave.
The DMV has a cool, extremely slick lipsliding curb that is shaded.

Scott's Valley has some great stuff, but that's a little out of the way.
E- Mail me for more info.

I have been wanting to go skating ever since I returned home, but i think
it's rained every single day!  You think we would get a little break.

-Peter
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: RAD (was Re: Sami in London)
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:14:22 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Heh! Which Mullen?  The one with the factory type scene on the bottom?  Or
the one with him riding his motorcycle?  Looks a lot like a scaled up
version of his old freestyle board, eh? :)  S'cool though.

Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller)
Subject: Re: RAD (was Re: Sami in London)
Organization: SKaters At Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:24:08 GMT

In article <C0GGJz.86u@eis.calstate.edu> sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott) writes:
>Heh! Which Mullen?  The one with the factory type scene on the bottom?  Or
>the one with him riding his motorcycle?  Looks a lot like a scaled up
>version of his old freestyle board, eh? :)  S'cool though.

	The factory one, it looks like a Coors commercial or
something.  Feels very very quick.  Scaled up?  Not hardly.  Feels so
TINY, it's a lot of fun... Riding it with the Santa Cruz TRIKS wheels,
the multicolored ones that come in the cereal box.  They don't look
half so dorky now that they're all dirty and worn...

			--Halloween Jack.
From: thoft@aud2.aud.auc.dk
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: RAD
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:36:17 GMT
Organization: Aalborg University Center, Denmark

I can't get RAD here in Denmark either, so I've got a subscription and it's
there every month....weird.
The other english mag, SKATEBOARD!, is totally out of busines though. Sad,
there were these cool little music rewiews and comics.

            Janne
From: joshua5@csa.bu.edu (Jim Peters)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Sk8'ing in San Diego?
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:49:24 GMT
Reply-To: joshua5@cs.bu.edu
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston Univ., Computer Science

Going to be spending a week in San Diego at the end of January.   How
(il)legal is it to ride a skateboard there?
					-- Jim.
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Giraffe)
Subject: Re: where to shread in Santa Cruz?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:23:10 GMT


Yeah, Derby is pretty cool. I try to skate it in the morning when it is
empty. Derby Park is in a public park (whose name I forgot).
Palo Alto has a gnarlier public park which is located in Greer Park. Get off
101 at the Oregon expressway exit, make a left at the first light, and it's
about a 1/2 mile down on your right (these directions are from 101 S).
The Palo Alto park is a cloverleaf with 3 bowls and a island in the middle.
Don't bother going early to Palo Alto, it's little kids only on weekends
from 9am-noon. Pads required.
-Frank
-- 
>Frank Giraffe- fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us - {apple,pacbell,ucbvax}!well!fgiraffe
>As the noose of narco-militarism tightens 'round our necks, we worry about
>  burning flags and pee in jars at work to keep our jobs.  -- Jello Biafra
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: snowboarding
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:47:58 GMT

Does anyone know if there is or will be a snowboarding newsgroup anytime in  
the near future?  I posted to some skiing groups and nobody has a clue--one  
would think there are enough snowboarders out there that there would already  
be a group.

Oh, and I realize that some skaters think snowboarding is for losers, but I  
couldn't care less so think twice before flaming me about snowboarding, punk!

michael@monitor.com
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board