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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:41:45 LCL
From:         "John P. Hartmann" <PIPER@VNET.BITNET>
Subject:      JUXTAPOSE.

 RE: JUXTAPOSE.

 1.  From the entry point table:

   juxtapose    pipelamk  8

 2.  The fine print ensures that juxtapose does not delay the record
 on the secondary input stream.

     j.                                                john@vnet.ibm.com
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Subject:      Re: Juxtapose.

What I suggesting is that my case treats, say, three input streams as
a three-level structure.  Yours convers n-level to 2-level structure.
I am not sure which is better and honestly don't care too much.
- Yossie

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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:38:06 LCL
From:         "John P. Hartmann" <PIPER@VNET.BITNET>
Subject:      SMART 1.5.1.

 RE: SMART 1.5.1.

 Dominique, your local friendly IBM support centre will be happy to
 look into this, I'm sure.

     j.                                                john@vnet.ibm.com
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:48:12 EDT
From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CS Split

 Yes, the Federal parliament did not approve the law for the dissolution of the
 CSFR. The vote was one short of the required majority (3/5, I believe) in the
Chamber of the People, and three short in the Chamber of Nationalities (3 in
each half, as matter of fact).

  Instead, there was a simple majority vote (supported by Meciar's party and
the left Czech opposition) for a request to the Fed. Gov. to prepare a law
for a Czech & Slovak "Union". That's all that I know as of Thursday evening
(EDT). I am sure that more will be available on the RFERL Daily Report
 tomorrow morning.

   H.K.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:24 EDT
From:         Stan Brunn <BRUNN@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CS Split

Thanks so much for providing the information.  Dakujem opat. Stan Brunn
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:30:41 EDT
From:         Karel Smuk <SMUK@CSPGAS11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CS Split

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:21:34 -0500 GEORGE BAUER said:
>I just heard on the American television news broadcast that the parliament
>of Czechoslovakia had rejected the proposal for dissolution of the Republic.
>The report said that the parliament said a referendum must be held before
>the split.
More precisely: The law should only prepare for the split by allowing
four variants of possible federation dissolution.
The parliament did not asked for referendum: the opposition parties asked.
The voting:
                                       needed        for
snemovna lidu (peoples chamber)          90           89
snem.narodu(chamber of nations-Czech)    45           44  (2 added later)
                                                          (techn.reasons)
     dtto            Slovak part         45           42
It seems that the role of federal parliament in the process of the
dissolution goes down and the major role will play the national parliaments
(narodni rady).
                                       Karel
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From:         FALK2399@DS0RUS54.BITNET
Subject:      Czech-Slovak Union

>It's some kind of cultural imperialism which is so dangerous, as a political
>or  territorial imperialism.
>
>I suppose this special side of Czech history and political philosophy had
>Mr. Frajkor in mind....
>
>Jan Szelepcsenyi

I reckon a genuine cultural imperialist would rather prefer to live in  the
Czech-Slovak Cultural Empire (CSKI) than in something called Czech-Slovak
Union (UCSR) he can just mildly smile at from reasons rather obvious.

Baci Svetozar Hurban-Vajansky would might have called talking such a UCSR

        "lascivne zvatlanie zlostnikov".

Czechoslovakia has gone. Let's keep it in mind and be consequent!


Regards,

M.Havranek, Sturrgart FRG
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Subject:      Cross-postings

Agnes Kruchio writes:
>
>I wonder if Mr. Frajkor has the permission of the various
>original posters for these wholesale cross-postings. While verbatum
>cross-posting is much better than the miseditings and misattributions of
>yore, it is still against the rules of the network, not to mention
>that it is ethically questionable.

I don't know the network rules, but I don't see anything "ethically
questionable" about cross-postings. These are not copyrighted texts
of any commercial value that need to be protected--au contrair, the
purpose of the forums is to spread information, and in that respect
the cross-postings seem to be perfectly within the scope of intent.

I have had my postings cross-posted on different forums and I found
nothing wrong with that.

In this case, I'm grateful to Mr Frajkor for supplying
the information I wouldn't have access to otherwise.

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:42:36 -0400
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Hungarian
              "MIDEUR-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Sep 30, 92 12:02 pm

I wonder if Mr. Frajkor has the permission of the various
original posters for these wholesale cross-postings. While verbatum
cross-posting is much better than the miseditings and misattributions of
yore, it is still against the rules of the network, not to mention
that it is ethically questionable.

Agnes Kruchio
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:57:01 EDT
From:         Hugh Agnew <AGNEWHL@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CS Split

It's my opinion that, perhaps unfortunately, what the Federal Parliament
says or does about the draft law on the dissolution of the federation will
have very little impact in the final analysis.  For months now the two
republic governments have been acting as though, in effect, the split
had already taken place, and I don't see any delay caused by this latest
failure of the federal assembly to pass the law.

Sincerely,

Hugh Agnew
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:19:25 EST
From:         FANDORKA@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      RE: history

Try to get on the "MEDTEXT-L" or the MEDFEM-L lists.  Those might be of great
 use to you.
			Frank Andorka
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:02:15 -0400
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Cross-postings
              "HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC" at Oct 2, 92 10:45 am

>
> Agnes Kruchio writes:
> >
> >I wonder if Mr. Frajkor has the permission of the various
> >original posters for these wholesale cross-postings. While verbatum
> >cross-posting is much better than the miseditings and misattributions of
> >yore, it is still against the rules of the network, not to mention
> >that it is ethically questionable.
>
> I don't know the network rules, but I don't see anything "ethically
> questionable" about cross-postings. These are not copyrighted texts
> of any commercial value that need to be protected--au contrair, the
> purpose of the forums is to spread information, and in that respect
> the cross-postings seem to be perfectly within the scope of intent.
>
> I have had my postings cross-posted on different forums and I found
> nothing wrong with that.
>
> In this case, I'm grateful to Mr Frajkor for supplying
> the information I wouldn't have access to otherwise.
>
> --Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
>


Mr. Marcinka (Kamil?)-

This is a form of publishing, however novel. I guess people differ in
their attitudes to being cross-posted, which is tantamount to one's work
being reprinted without permission - you, for instance, say you don't
mind. Others however, might, and do. This issue comes up time and again
on all the lists, and in my experience people x-posting usually make a point of
noting that they had obtained permission (part of the genuine pleasures of
living in a common law environment where copyright/property rights are
respected). I've never ever seen any less than `permission required' for
X-postings on any of the lists with which I've had experience -- if
nothing else, out of courtesy. Some listowners thake this issue *very*
seriously indeed. One would expect that Mr. Frajkor as a professor of
journalism - as his sig.file prominently informs us - would be
especially sensitive to such issues.

Agnes K.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:18:23 -0500
From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: hungarian "fans"

I was very disturbed to hear the response that "Skinheads of this sort deserve
it."  Meaning they deserve getting beat up.

Why?  Because they are skinheads?  Because of their behavior?  What did
they do?  What did they do to DESERVE getting beat up?

I do not approve of skinheads or their beliefs or sometimes their behavior.

But I also do not approve of crowds of people -- a mob??? - deciding who
"deserve it."

This philosophy is painfully similar to people in the not too recent past
who decided "who deserved it."  Who deserved getting beat up.  Or worse.
How is this different than the police deciding who "deserves it" and
beating up those who disagree with them?

Having one group decide who "deserves it" can come very close to anarchy --
or totalitarianism.  It is just another breed.

george bauer
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:48:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Mr Gorbachev,tear the wall down!

        What will the response of the host countries be?  Same as that to the
Vietnamese boat people, the Haitians, the Albanians, etc etc etc right on back
to their response to the Jews in the late 30's who were called economic refugees
and sent back to the death camps (ultimately).

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:47:53 EDT
From:         "(George Frajkor)" <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: CS Split
              Agnew" at Oct 1, 92 7:57 pm

Hugh Agnew writes:
>
> It's my opinion that, perhaps unfortunately, what the Federal Parliament
> says or does about the draft law on the dissolution of the federation will
> have very little impact in the final analysis.  For months now the two
> republic governments have been acting as though, in effect, the split
> had already taken place, and I don't see any delay caused by this latest
> failure of the federal assembly to pass the law.

       That is probably right but what it will do is affect the spirit
of the split... that is, instead of being amicable and mutual it may
now become bitter.  And it may cast doubt on the legitimacy of the
process, which is what some people want.  You may remember how Hitler
justified overturning the peace treaties by claiming that Germany had
been stabbed in the back by its politicians and therefore the whole
process was illegitimate.



    Jan George Frajkor
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:43:39 -0400
From:         "(George Frajkor)" <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      separation

  Picked this up from the Carolina news digest:

-------------------------------------------------------

     According  to the  last public  opinion research  poll done  by the
Institute  for Public  Opinion Research  September 8-14  the majority of
citizens expect a separation of the  republics, but would not have voted
for it in a referendum.
     More than  80% of the citizens of both republics
understand  the separation  of the  republics would  be an  irreversible
process. 46% of  the citizens of the Czech Republic  and 41% of those in
the Slovak  republic agree with  dissolving the CSFR.  45% in the  Czech
republic and 46%  in the Slovak republic are against  it. Only 5% in the
Czech  republic  and  6%  in  the  Slovak  republic  do  not  believe
the separation will occur.

    Those respondents  in the Czech republic  who agree with separation
think that the main reason  is Slovakia's desire for independence. Those
who do not agree with separation think that the federation will dissolve
as the  result of an agreement  beteween ODS and HZDS.  Those who do not
agree with separation in Slovakia  shared this belief. Those citizens of
Slovakia who  approve of the separation  think that the main  reason for
dissolution is becaue the federation is not working and is unequal.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:21:34 -0500
From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      CS Split

I just heard on the American television news broadcast that the parliament
of Czechoslovakia had rejected the proposal for dissolution of the Republic.
The report said that the parliament said a referendum must be held before
the split.

Is this correct?

Does anyone know more about the story?  I would like to read as much detail
as possible about this question?

I would also like to see translations of articles in the CS newspapers
if someone has the time.

Thank you.


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From: elekpeva@SAVBA.CS (Pevala)
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Subject: hungarian "fans"
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:02:52 GMT
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J.G.Frajkor forwarded this mail :
>Passing on the following cross posts from the Hungarian Mailing list.

>>From @vm.utcs.utoronto.ca:HUNGARY@UCSBVM.BITNET Wed Sep 30 09:16:48 1992
>>From: "(Peter A. Nemenyi)" <nemenyi@OXYGEN.APS1.ANL.GOV>
>>Subject:      Re: Slovak-world

>> So why can the little people be blamed for what the big-ones have done
>>and beat them up by commando units?
>>Europe is becoming a very sad place and it is heartbreaking to see that all of
>>the unresolved problems of the pre-First WW. is showing its ugly face again.
>>It would be nice to see peace and understanding among all of those people once
>>and for all.

>>Peter Nemenyi
... beat them by comando units.In my opinion - and surely,most people which
were present on this match (I mean the football match Slovan-Ferencvaros)-
they were not beaten because of they are Magyars,but simply because their
behavior was similar to the behavior of wild beasts.Skinheads of this sort
deserve it.No difference,if they come from Prague,Bratislava,Budapest,
Liverpool... .Just remember the massacre in Brusel.It is sad to label these
vandals as innocent victims of politics or nationalism.


                             Anton Pevala
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:08:15 EDT
From:         Karel Smuk <SMUK@CSPGAS11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CS Split

On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:27:59 EDT Stan Brunn said:
>
>Can anyone provide us any further information about the voting, such as what pa
>rties supported and opposed the referendum?  Maybe someone can give us the deta
>iled vote. Thanks. Stan Brunn
                                       for against abstent missing (not pres.)
SDL (Slov.comm.)                        o     14     7      2
KDH (Sl.crist.dem)                      0     12     1      1
Spoluziti(Egutelles)                    0      0    10      2
ODS-KDS (Klaus-Benda)                  85      0     0      0
KDU-CSL (Cz.crist.dem)                 13      0     0      0
HZDS (Meciar)                          56      0     0      1
Levy blok (Cz.comm.)                    0     31     0      3
LSU (Liberal.soc.)                      1      8     2      1
CSSD (Cz.soc.dem)                       0     15     0      1
SPR-RSC (Republ.)                       4     10     0      0
SNS (Slov.nat.)                        15      0     0      0
SDSS (Slov.soc.dem)                     1      2     0      2

        Greetings
                                    Karel Smuk
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:29:27 +0200
From:         MHELANDER@FINUHA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Mr Gorbachev,tear the wall down!

  M. Havranek, Stuttgart, FRG writes:

> What will be the response
> of the host countries?

Here in Finland many are afraid of a "Russian invasion". Some authorities,
(especially our ministry for internal affairs) have emphasized the risks in
this turism. They stress especially that criminality and illegal trade is going
to increase. There are two different threats according to the authorities. The
first is that organized criminality, i.e. a sort of maffia is coming to the
country. The other threat is the uncontrolled trade with vodka, that is going
on in Helsinki.

Even if these threats may have som validity, because of the differences in the
material standard of living in Finland and Russia, they are largely exaggerated
and serve as a way of keeping the restrictive asylum and immigrationpolicy in
Finland. The other purpose is, in the hard economic period, to get more budget
allocation to the police force.

Mika Helander, Helsinki, FIN
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:47:38 EDT
From:         Karel Smuk <SMUK@CSPGAS11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CS Split

>On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:27:59 EDT Stan Brunn said:
>>Can anyone provide us any further information about the voting, such as what
>pa
>>rties supported and opposed the referendum?  Maybe someone can give us the
>deta
>>iled vote. Thanks. Stan Brunn
Sorry for a mistake in my earlier posting. These were the results of voting
about the dissolution law. There was no voting regarding referendum. The
referendum was discussed in preparation of the law and asked for mainly by
the Czech opposition parties (soc. dem.) as integral part of the process
and required by the Slovak constitution as confirmation.
                                 Karel Smuk
>                                       for against abstent missing (not pres.)
>SDL (Slov.comm.)                        o     14     7      2
>KDH (Sl.crist.dem)                      0     12     1      1
etc...
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From:         Stan Brunn <BRUNN@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CS Split

Can anyone provide us any further information about the voting, such as what pa
rties supported and opposed the referendum?  Maybe someone can give us the deta
iled vote. Thanks. Stan Brunn
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:25:05 CST
From:         Peter Lambrechts <MKPHL@UMSVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Roemenia Elections??

A friend of mine from Roemenia is convinced that there have been recently some
elections in his country. He is very, very interested about knowing more
of the results of these elections.

Does anybody on this list have any information about this?? (I hope
y'all consider Roemenia as a Middel European country ??)

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