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From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: my husband is mean Update #2
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:00:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <BvFIzv.LGE@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Kathy Hare writes:
>
>
>Well first of all when I got home from work there were flowers on the
>table for me. No note but I knew who they were from and why. Later he
>said he got them because he thought I could use a pick me up. Which
>from the 8 years I've known him means I'm sorry for upsetting you. (see
>I told you all he really is a nice guy).
 
Great!
 
>To make a long and personal story short we worked things out. When I
>sat back and thought about it I realized I have been very moody lately.
>We found out the reason why too, I'm pregnant! Almost a month. It took
>my husband a few days to get used to the idea, me too for that matter.
>But we are both very happy about it. (we planned to strart trying in
>Jan) So I guess there goes my hops of losing weight, but I will keep up
>my excerise to make it easier after the baby is born.
 
Great again!!  CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
I'm pregnant now too.  It was most definitely planned, but somehow
losing the extra weight and getting trim and toned, and now watching
as my waist disappears almost before my eyes...  Well, I just keep
telling myself how much better off I'll be after this baby is here!
 
>So everything is ok now and I have something new to worry about.
 
Don't worry much.  It won't do any good.  Be happy!!!!  Enjoy it!
 
>Thanks for all the help and support from everyone it's greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Kathy
 
Take care.
TAMARA
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: low-fat comfort food !
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:42:23 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

Last week was really awful.  I had a lousy cold and two major
deadlines to meet, so I couldn't take time off.  The weather
was disgusting and my husband was away.  I crawled in from the
office it 7pm on Friday evening in need of comfort.  Fortunately
I didn't have the componants of pasta carbonara or anything around,
and I'd stuck to my low-fat diet all week, so I didn't want to blow
it.  In the end, I came up with this.  Its based on a recipe given
by Rosemary Connoley in her "Hip and Thigh Diet".

Preheat oven to 180 C.

Chop up about 1lb of your favourite veggies into chunks.  I used
potatoes, broccoli, courgettes (zucchini) and carrots.   

Add about 4oz of red lentils (the no-soak kind).

Add half a pint of vegetable stock and herbs, spices, salt and pepper
to taste.  Another time, I'll add a tablespoon of paprika I think.

Cook in oven for 1.5 hours.

I sprinkled a little bit of strong cheddar cheese over the top, and
ate it with wholemeal bread.

It was very comforting.

Bye

Alison
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo)
Subject: Re: Need motivation
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:55:02 GMT

In article <7576@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes:

>HELP.  I am absolutely disgusted with myself, both by the way I look
>and also that I've lost the self-control I gained when I successfully 
>joined Weight Watchers.  How do I get that control back?  I'm sure
>if I could just stick to it for a couple of weeks, and get back into
>the routine of exercising and eating right, I'd be fine.  I've tried
>going back to WW meetings a couple of times, but it hasn't helped.
>Any suggestions/ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Marian Dabay
> 
HI Marian!

I can certainly offer you  empathy! I have been trying to lose 20 pounds 
since April and all I have managed to do is yo-yo up and down on the first 10.
(right now I'm yo-yo'd right back up to the top and thus, have 20 pounds to 
lose again/still) I walk 20 minutes a day and go to aerobics twice a week,
but I keep eating like crazy. I was told recently that it takes 21 days of
consistent behavior for that same mode of behavior to become a habit. If you 
are like me, we never make it that far(21 days). It definitely boils down to 
discipline, so..........the best to you, and know that you are not alone!

-Linda

-- 
Linda Competillo
lmc@cs.cornell.edu
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:12:33 GMT
Subject: Re: New Foods
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Yeah.  Simpless is "microparticulated egg white", with the calories
of protein, but the texture of fat.  Various other gums (guar, acacia)
and other things can do the job.  Applesauce is a good homemade
fat substitute.

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: WW
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 09:09:00 EDT

In article <1992Oct6.014009.29099@netcom.com> rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
>
>
>Margot talks about being close to a goal and considering quitting....
>
>Hi Margot,
>
>I would be very nervous about quitting right before achieving a goal.
>You deserve the satisfaction of achieving your goal. You *deserve* to
>go *all* the way! You deserve to point to this achievement for the
>rest of your life.

Well, I don't intend to quit the diet.  I've been sticking to it
with little deviation since January but haven't gone to a WW
meeting since maybe March.  I don't use the books to write things
down much either, but that's cause I don't deviate much day
to day.

>
>Mostly we are the only sabotuers in our own lives. I would say that
>you deserve what that 200 dollars buys, A lot of self-esteem, a lot of
>success, and a real accomplishment to point to!
>
>I know the last ten pounds are tough, but you really do deserve it!

I guess my concern is will it be too tough for me to stick to
it without the weekly weigh in?  Its been really easy so far,
and I'd like to really lose 18 more pounds but would set my
WW goal higher (to make lifetime maintenance easier).  I know
some people out there quit going and were successful and others
quit and failed.  Any advice?
>
>rf

Margot
--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Losing fat, not muscle
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:01:59 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In <1992Sep29.195256.14902@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>Of the four *major* effects on my life, from an Optifast diet I
>did in the spring of '88, only two have reversed:
>
>	1) net weight gain of 100 pounds (yes, 100 pounds)
>	over my pre-Optifast weight --> not yet reversed
>
>	2) loss of about 3/4 of my long thick hair --> reversed
>
>	3) major depression, including two psychotic episodes
>	and multiple hospitalizations --> reversed (although I
>	still take antidepressants)
>
>	4) loss of my job, massive debts, and permanent change
>        in lifestyle, as a result of #3 --> not reversed

Do you mean to imply that 3 and 4 are common side-effects of VLCDs?

It is not inconceivable that someone else could claim that their pregnancy
caused all of the above.  Does that mean we should discourage women from
getting pregnant?  After all, hair loss, weight gain, and post-partum
depression are pretty common in pregnancy and I know plenty of women who
are still struggling to lose the weight they gained months or years after
they have delivered.

Then again, we have my data point (although I suppose my anecdote will
not be really valid for another year or so).  I went off the fast in
April after having lost 85 pounds.  I felt great through the entire fast,
but I have experienced some hair loss (although it is not noticeable to
others).  I have lost another 20 lbs since then, mostly in the first two
months after the fast, and have stabilized at my current weight (which
is about 20-30 higher than I want to be).  I went off the fast because
I refused to drink supplement at my brother's wedding (I was at the head
table).  If I had to do again, I would have kept up with the fast.  I
found it quick and painless and have contemplated going back on to lose
the rest, except that I think two Christmas's in a row would be tough :-).

Anyways, I'm not saying that people should not be informed of all 
side effects (geez, as an aside, have you ever read the product insert
that comes with the Pill?  It's amazing women take them--I guess they
consider the benefits worth the potential effects).  But one person's
horrible experience is another person's salvation.  

That being said, I have to admit to almost feeling apprehensive when
overweight friends ask how I did it (two people I know have signed up
on HMR--one of whom has never lost the weight she gained during her
pregnancy two years ago).  I am not convinced that they are ready to make 
the lifestyle changes to keep the weight off, so I'm afraid they will
somehow blame me if this program "fails" them.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:34:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Shoes
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

From a man's perspective (ie, for what it's worth :-), I've had
the best luck with 1) Nike crosstraining shoes when I can find
them to fit me (I wear a size 14, and that's a challange) and
2) Rockport walking shoes.  I use thick white socks (to hell with
fashion; my feet hurt less when I use thicker socks), and several
(prescribed/recommended) sets of pads for my Plantar Fasciitis.
Comment on the Nikes: the heel cushion wears out after a while.
How quickly depends on how much I weighed.  Rule of thumb: when
the sole wears out, trash the shoe.  Your milage *will* vary.

In general, if your feet are OK before starting a program, good shoes
will help keep them that way.  If they already hurt, you should see
a doctor anyway, but the good shoes will help.

Pete Brooks, formerly walking 11 miles a day, now working back up.
Now at 4 to 5.5 miles a day!
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Plateaus
Date: 24 Sep 92 19:32:13 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Larry, I found that both of your hypotheses held true for me.  When I
started my fast, I weighed 393 pounds.  Without any exercise, maintenance
calories were [F/X: muttering, puching of calculator keys.] 4716 per day.

Now that I've hit my target of 195 pounds, maintenance calories are
2340 per day.  Even at my exercise level, I seldom eat 4700 calories
per day (except after a really long ride...).  Yes, I had to accept
the fact that I would eat less in the future.  Shifting to more vegies
helped me keep the volume up; feeling "full" once in a while is
important to my psyche.

Similarly, since all my exercise was weight-dependent, I had to deal
with getting fewer calories per mile/hour as time went on.  I ended
up dealing with this by gradually increasing the distance that I
walked.  Towards the end of the fast, I shifted to a walking-based
commute, and the distance stayed more-or-less the same.

There are a couple of alternatives to the exercise issue.  If you like
weight-independent activities (stationary bicycling, swimming are
the only two that really come to mind), you won't see a factor shift,
so you will turn out the same number of calories per XX; *if* you
keep all other things equal.  (I suspect swimming is more complex than
that, but it's an activity I don't do.)  If you like to walk, you can
keep the factor the same by carrying a load.  If you want to lose 20
pounds, you could carry a backpack (for instance) and add weight.  A
woman in our program carries her child in a carrier when she walks.  Not
a good long term solution, but it helps.  Hmm, one more alternative
came to mind; as you get into better shape, you may well find that more
strenuous activity will be OK.  20 minutes on a StairMaster is about
2-2.5 miles worth of walking for me, and this is somewhat faster than
I can (could, sigh) walk the same distance.  For me, I graduated from
stationary bikes to real bikes, and have grown a taste for hill
climbing (not a big sport in my Champaign-Urbana days :-).

There are other plateaus, too; the mysterious ones that don't seem
to track the numbers are 1) short-lived* or 2) tend to be a result
of numbers being off.  * Usually...

Pete Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Shoes
Keywords: Walking
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:09:15 GMT

In article <1884@shaman.wv.tek.com> peggys@orca.wv.tek.com writes:
>What about cushion, shock absorbing, gel?  I also have a tendancy
>towards shin splints.  What do you walkers recommend and why?

One person's opinion:

I think running shoes are better than walking shoes, because they're
more cushion-y and have more lateral support.  I favor the ones with
stiff supports on the medial (inner) sides of the feet, because I've
had problems with plantar fasciitis--an inflammation of the soles of
the feet caused (in my case) by excessive pronation (turning inward).
I also found it helpful to go shopping at a real athletes' store--
not a big chain--the kind of store where you show the clerk what
your feet are like, standing sock-footed, and she/he is able to give
you advice about what shoe would be best for you.  You may pay a little
more for the shoe, by going to a place where the clerks know what
they're doing, but after the shoe wears out, in six months or so (does
anyone really follow that every-three-months guideline?), you can 
pick up a replacement at the discount outlet.

Remember that there's a lot of gimmicky advertising in the running
shoe business, so ignore the hoopla as much as you can, and concentrate
on A) what the shoes feel like in your hands (how stiff, how light),
and B) what the shoes feel like on your feet.  Wear them around in
the store for a while, even if you have to appear a bit silly as you
walk in circles around the racks full of sweatsuits.  And padded socks,
such as Thor-Lo's, can be a comfy addition to the padding that's
already in the shoe.  

						--Fiona W.
From: wvenable@attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Tolerating suffering, etc
Date: 26 Sep 92 00:27:05 GMT
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au

Folks, I don't know what's going on, but here in Australia I'm getting what
seems to be only about 1 out of every 4 or 5 articles posted, and some of
the discussions are of great interest to me.

Could it me that you need to specify a "world" distribution when posting
from the US?  

I don't want to start a discussion on this absolutely tangential matter, so
please do not post any follow up articles, but if you could specify a world
distribution when you post real articles, it may help.

Thanks,	Bill.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Bill Venables, Dept. of Statistics, | Email: venables@stats.adelaide.edu.au
Univ. of Adelaide, South Australia. | Tel: +61 8 228 5412  Fax: ...232 5670
From: scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Rewards
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:19:23 GMT
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories

Hi, everybody --

After a long talk with my doctor, it was decided that for now I
quit losing weight and try maintaining.  I reached goal!  I've 
lost about 35 pounds and my sugar has stabilized in the safe
range and everything!  Of course, now comes the really tough 
part -- staying here!

I found what is, for me, a great reward of the non-edible variety.
Went to the fabric store and found the most strikingly stylish
suit pattern I could and then bought some really fantastic 
material.  Then I made the suit.  Finished it just in time for
a really special evening out with my very, very special POSSLQ
and, while he was happy with my looks no matter what I weighed,
I know both of us were really proud of how I looked that night.
And it worked!  There was plenty of opportunity to overeat both
"right" and "wrong" foods but I kept reminding myself that I want
to wear this suit out, not outgrow it.

And besides, there is one statistic I don't want to join, and
don't want to see any of us join, and that's the horribly high
number of folks who gain the weight back.  I want to change that
statistic and I really think this group will do it.  You have all
been, and continue to be, so helpful.  Thank you.  Thank you.
Thank you.

Scotti
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo)
Subject: Re: How do you walk that much? (was Re: inspiration)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:06:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.161210.28131@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.151226.8731@m.cs.uiuc.edu> howard@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Howard) writes:
>>
>>
>>All right, what caused the inflammation of your heels?  I am having
>>the same problem - it was so bad that I couldn't even get up in the 
>>night without putting on my shoes - I went to wearing birkenstocks and
>
>
>Usually it's plantar faciitis, and like any foot pain, it can become
>serious. There is a band of muscle that runs along the sole of your
>foot from your five toes to your heal. When the band tears, it
>usually does so at the heal, causing heal pain.
>
>The main treatment is rest, until you can exercise or walk again without
>pain. You cannot pursue any physical activity that contributes to
>the pain. Otherwise, you risk a permanent disability. Given the way
>you describe your symptoms, I'd say it's going to take a few months
>for you to be completely healed.
>
>You have to give up walking completely as a form of exercise. Riding a
>bike, swimming, rowing machines, and ski machines would be OK
>alternatives, provided they don't cause more pain.
>
>You should see a podiatrist. Your symptoms are serious.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'll second that! I am a Certified Medical Assistant who spent 11 years 
working in the field of Podiatry before coming here to the University to 
work. How did you know you had a heel spur in the first place? Were you
diagnosed by a doctor? You should never walk any distance in Birkenstocks
either - only a good pair of walking shoes. Make sure you choose a board
certified Podiatrist and *TRY* to find one with a good reputation for his
or her concern for you, the patient, and not you, the one with the good
insurance plan and/or thick wallet.

I wish you the best!

  Linda

-- 
Linda Competillo
lmc@cs.cornell.edu
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Need motivation
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:28:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

I'm in dire need of motivation.  A little history first.  I've
always had to watch my weight but never really had any problems
until I quit work about 5 years ago.  Over a period of about one
year, I gained about 40 pounds.  After 2 years a feeling miserable
I went on Weight Watchers and was able to lose 30 pounds (which
put me at the top of their goal weight).  

I maintain the weight loss for about a year, but then right before 
Thanksgiving last year my husband got a job offer in a different 
state (Virginia) and we decided to move.  His job offer involved a 
substantial pay cut, but the cost of living here is much cheaper.  
We felt sure that with the cost of living, we would be better off 
here, but weren't 100% sure, so it was really a big risk.  Needless 
to say I used this as an excuse to really "pig-out" during the 
holidays, telling myself that I would get back on track after the 
first of the year.  

Well, since then, it's been one major stress after another.  After 
almost a year, our house in Maryland hasn't sold yet and we've gone 
through a lot of our savings; I went back to work recently, putting my
2 1/2 year old son in daycare (who has never been in daycare before);
my son has started to go into the "terrible twos"; etc, etc, etc.
Now, nine months after we moved, I've gain 35 pounds.  I know
what to do to lose the weight, but I just can't seem to get started.

HELP.  I am absolutely disgusted with myself, both by the way I look
and also that I've lost the self-control I gained when I successfully 
joined Weight Watchers.  How do I get that control back?  I'm sure
if I could just stick to it for a couple of weeks, and get back into
the routine of exercising and eating right, I'd be fine.  I've tried
going back to WW meetings a couple of times, but it hasn't helped.
Any suggestions/ideas?

Thanks,
Marian Dabay
 


From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:21:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Need motivation
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

/ hpcc01:alt.support.diet / lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo) / 10:55 am  Sep 30, 1992 /
>but I keep eating like crazy. I was told recently that it takes 21 days of
>consistent behavior for that same mode of behavior to become a habit. If you 

Depends on the lifestyle change.  After 38 years of couch-potatohood and
eating the worst possible foods, I figure if I can keep my weight under control
for a few more years, the habits will be ingrown.  Don't know if I'll stop
using records, though...

However, the 21 day figure is reasonable for incremental changes.  Took
me that long to remember to walk/drive to work when my commute patterns
changed.  Hint; make it easy.  If you walk, set things up so that the
walking gear is *immediately* available, and try to set a good time.
Ask questions like "how am I going to do XX given my walk", rather than
"am I going to walk today?"  (In my case, it had to do with keys.  if
the car keys were tied to the house keys, I had to drive.  Either that,
or get locked out of the house.  Happened once or twice.)

Pete Brooks
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: How do you walk that much? (was Re: inspiration)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:12:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Sep30.151226.8731@m.cs.uiuc.edu> howard@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Howard) writes:
>
>
>All right, what caused the inflammation of your heels?  I am having
>the same problem - it was so bad that I couldn't even get up in the 
>night without putting on my shoes - I went to wearing birkenstocks and


Usually it's plantar faciitis, and like any foot pain, it can become
serious. There is a band of muscle that runs along the sole of your
foot from your five toes to your heal. When the band tears, it
usually does so at the heal, causing heal pain.

The main treatment is rest, until you can exercise or walk again without
pain. You cannot pursue any physical activity that contributes to
the pain. Otherwise, you risk a permanent disability. Given the way
you describe your symptoms, I'd say it's going to take a few months
for you to be completely healed.

You have to give up walking completely as a form of exercise. Riding a
bike, swimming, rowing machines, and ski machines would be OK
alternatives, provided they don't cause more pain.

You should see a podiatrist. Your symptoms are serious.
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