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From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: News from Odessa / Ukrainian conditions
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:41:23 GMT

In article <93004.130524BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> , BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>corruption. May be, you are interested in today price rate?
>There is only one touch: the first act of new government
>was setting the least salary equal to 2300 karbovanec. Oh,
>you do not know that we now have our own currency -
>karbovanec! But there are not essential changes. The salary
>is paid by kupon known to you, and one can now exchange 1.5
>kupon to 1 ruble not only with railway-stations robbers,
>but at state bank too. Our karbovanec fall down in
>comparison with $ just like rouble. New government explains
>to people, that the inflation is generated by the unnatural
>high salary of teachers and doctors. We were promised, that
>the government will strong fight with such inflation.

I have heard that minimum wages may be something like
USD 8 and the medium pay will be approx USD 17-20,
if USD 1 is still equal to approx. 500 roubles.

Does anybody knows, what are those high civil service
wages, which threath the national economy. I once looked
Ukrainian statistics (Gossnab) of energy and raw materials
and they indicated that Ukraina is a net importer of coal, oil
and raw materials related to steel industry. I suppose that
end-products of most developed industries were delivered
to Ministry of Defense.

Right now Russia is repricing energy exported from Siberia,
which means that Ukraina should be able to export more to
Russia in terms of value. This is probably impossible, because
the end-products have changed.

If CIS fully utilized its capacities it should "force" economics
with a state guaranteed (raw materials and markets for end-products)
infrastructural programs in order to keep educated people in
usefull work.

I'd like to hear opinions of CIS "new deal" policies?

-Olli
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexeev@math.utah.edu (Valery A. Alexeev)
Subject: Re: digest of relcom.humor (take 2)
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Utah
Distribution: soc
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:09:16


Well, it turns out those russian posts contain some extra
characters that make the mailserver dizzy. Here are two of the better
ones that were screwed up in the previous attempt.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From:  Ilya V. Trubchanin <ilya@helios.marine.su>

I.

Vypolzayut dve zmei iz kabaka, izryadno podshofe. Odna obrashchaetsya k drugoy:
"S-slysh', p-podruga, n-ne p-p-pomnyu, ya yad-dovitaya ili net?". Vtoraya:
"K-konechno yad-dovitaya, t-ty zh gadyuka!". Pervaya: "N-nu togda mne ),$:$:.:$,
ya yaz-zyk prikus-sila".

II. Tut nado ne stol'ko rasskazyvat', skol'ko pokazyvat', poetomu ya opishu
    v vide p'esy.

Deystvuyushchie litsa: muzhik i mukha.

Muzhik lozhitsya spat'. Nad ukhom mukha: zh-zh-zh-zh...
Muzhik otchayanno vorochaetsya, pytayas' usnut'. Mukha: zh-zh-zh-zh...
Muzhik rezko vybrasyvaet ruku i lovit mukhu. Mukha (v kulake): zh-zh-zh-zh...
Muzhik podnosit kulak ko rtu i poet: "Bayu-bayushki-bayu...".
Mukha (v kulake): zh-zh-zh-zh... Muzhik opyat':
"Bayu-bayushki-bayu...". Mukha (v kulake) zasypaet. Muzhik podnosit 
kulak k samym gubam: ZH-ZH-ZH-ZH!



Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11937 soc.culture.turkish:13994
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: s NAU^NOJ TO^KI ZRENIQ, OTKUDA BER$TSQ TAKOE
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:26:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.225505.19208@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In the case someone missed this genuine mutloid

Thanx a lot.  I have a KILL file to get rid of that imbecil's bleating and
you go and repost it.  Knock it off.  If anyone really wants to toss their
lunch reading Mutlu's cretinious exercise in irrelevance, they can do it
without your help.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:33:10 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <103868@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.125821.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:

[.. some shit deleted as irrelevant and offensive...]

>>s Ohio), a osobenno s predstaviteliami eio Vnutrennikh Voisk, koim ia
>>iavliaius'.
> 
>   Zagadka: Chto obschego mezhdu militsionerom i govnom?

Vy, uvazhaemyi,-- muzhik, bydlo, kham, gandon i pr.  Sravnivat' Nat.Guards s
'mentami' -- eto vse ravno chto nazyvat' nas 'cops' ili sravnivat' palets s 
zhopoi.
Vyrazhenie 'Vnutrennie Voiska' iavliaetsia, pozhalui, samym blizkim perevodom,
no ni v koei mere ne tochnym, tak chto necha k slovam pridirat'sia.  Eto dazhe
kak-to ne solidno...

A po povodu govna mogu skazat' tol'ko odno:  ot govna i slyshu!


>>Tak chto sidite u sebia v zhope (ia khotel skazat' v Izraile) i ne
>>vyebyvaites'.
> 
>   Kak-zhe tak? Vy, Martynov, (nu ne povorachivaetsja jazyk nazvat'
>   _vas_ gospodinom) sami zh v etu "zhopu" lezli. Dazhe v dissidenty
>   sebja za eto zapisali. V grud' kulakom stuchali: "Ja geroi!".
>   Poluchaetsja, chto vrali pro geroistvo-to? A ja bylo uzh i poveril.
>   Mozhet, dumaju, paren'-to i vravdu geroi? - ne pustili ego svolochi
>   na prarodinu, a on mozhet hotel kulturnjye tradicii nasledovat',
>   zabytomu jazyku pouchitsja, na kotorom ego pra-pra-pra-predki
>   govorili. A teper' ono vot kak povernulos' - "zhopa" okazyvaetsja
>   vasha prarodina. Interesno. 

Zhopy, ponimaete li, raznye byvaiut.  Osobenno esli s raznykh uglov zreniia
smotret'.  Vot iz Moskvy, naprimer, i Irak raem pokazhetsia, dazhe evreiu, a
kak na svobode okazheshsia, tak vovse i ne rai, a odno nazvanie "Sad Edena".
Tak vot, uvazhaemyi, iz moego slavnogo, Pennsylvanskogo, goroda Scrantona, kak
vy ni krutite, a Prarodina kazhetsia iskliuchitel'noi zhopoi.  Prosto zagadka
prirody kakaia-to.


>>Michael Martynov.
> 
>  Veritsja, chto sebja-to vy uzh tochno uvazhaete.

A my s Mishei Martynovym voobshche, ochen' uvazhaemye liudi.  Ne khotite
prisoedinit'sia?


> 
>  S.B.


A eto chto za khuinia?  To li "Suka i Bliad'", to li "Sterva Bezymiannaia".
Vy uzh utochnite v sleduiushchii raz pozhaluista, a to mozhno s kem i 
pereputat' nechaianno.

S glubokim uvazheniem,

Michael Martynov.
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: First astronaut?
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:59:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan4.171506.8777@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) writes:
>In article <93004.124821X30KB@CUNYVM.BITNET> TimeLord <X30KB@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>> (or something like that). He told me once that Gagarin was not the first
>>astronaut ever. Supposedly there was another one before him - I believe, that
>>one's last name was Bondarenko, but his ship exploded on start.
>
>On March 23, 1961 during a ground test in an isolation chamber, Valentin
>Bondarenko was killed when a flash fire started in a pure oxygen
>atmosphere. He was training for a Vostok mission.

1. Not a single Soviet spacecraft ever had 100%-oxygen atmosphere.

2. Not sure about exact dates of deaths during training process,
   but not a single Soviet piloted ship blew up at launch. 

I suppose that the data about Bondarenko (accident in isolation
chamber during ground test) is generally correct, but still the
oxygen atmosphere... Let me check - maybe I'll obtain some firsthand
info.


-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Soviet (was Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes)
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:41:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <93008.151858BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Dear Yuri, this is not a style of discussion. (And a bad style, BTW).
>This is a style of life. This disrespect to other's personality and
>feelings is just a symtom of something more serious - disrespect to
>other's freedom and dignity - and finally to one's own freedom and
>dignity. I shall not discuss what is to blame - Russian history,
>Communists or something other. This phenomenon exists, I know that, you
>know that, Mr Kilman knows that (even if somebody denies it).


  Sorry for jumping in to the discussion, I know this habbit of mine.
  I don't think that the style of the s.c.s is too much different
  from other newsgroups.  The reason it's more shocking is quite
  simple - most of netters here are native Russian speakers. And
  naturally have better sense of Russian than English. 
  Look at other, preferably technical newsgroups. You will notice 
  "disrespect to other's personality and ....".  It has nothing
  to do with the culture of nations but rather with personality of
  posters.

  Another point is that topics discussed in s.c.s are more exciting,
  I'd say more personally oriented, no wonder people often take
  them too seriously.
  Contrary, I was surprised seeing a flame war with English swear
  words in comp.ibm.pc.hardware. (sorta like: you're f*ng idiot
  my MAC is better than your PC:-)

  The style of life is, of course, different in xSU. But I would't
  say that "disrespect" IS THE style of life. You don't need to
  go far - your local mall. The same style. Or highway. Garbage on
  the pavement. And an idiot drives 45 on the leftmost lane.
  He doesn't care of others. 

  Too long.  Anyway, the main point is that idiots exist everywhere
  approximately in the same proportion.  It is wrong to conclude
  about national culture (or character) by looking at them.

  "Ljudi kak ljudi ... tolko kvartirnyj vopros ..."-  you remember.

>-Boris

 S.B.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:48:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan6.125821.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.215118.3983@ramon.bgu.ac.il>, ioffe@black.bgu.ac.il (Ioffe Nicolay) writes:

>> Tam G-n/tov. Vyznyuk uvidit G-na/tov. Martynova. I naoborot.
 
  Ja pozvolju sebe s etim ne soglasitsja.

>............................................................  Ia dazhe rad,
>chto vy menia sravnili s zerkalom russkoiazychnoi intelligentsii, k koei vy 
>sebia, po vsei veroiatnosti, otnosite.

 Nu, Vas to, dorogoj v shutku nazvali 'zerkalom' - ne obizhaites'.
 Komu-zh v golovu pridet skazat' eto ser'ezno? Nu kakoe-zhe vy
 'zerkalo' - vy bolshe pohozhi na soltata vnutrennih voisk, po stilju
 pis'ma.

>s Ohio), a osobenno s predstaviteliami eio Vnutrennikh Voisk, koim ia
>iavliaius'.

  Zagadka: Chto obschego mezhdu militsionerom i govnom?

>Tak chto sidite u sebia v zhope (ia khotel skazat' v Izraile) i ne
>vyebyvaites'.

  Kak-zhe tak? Vy, Martynov, (nu ne povorachivaetsja jazyk nazvat'
  _vas_ gospodinom) sami zh v etu "zhopu" lezli. Dazhe v dissidenty
  sebja za eto zapisali. V grud' kulakom stuchali: "Ja geroi!".
  Poluchaetsja, chto vrali pro geroistvo-to? A ja bylo uzh i poveril.
  Mozhet, dumaju, paren'-to i vravdu geroi? - ne pustili ego svolochi
  na prarodinu, a on mozhet hotel kulturnjye tradicii nasledovat',
  zabytomu jazyku pouchitsja, na kotorom ego pra-pra-pra-predki
  govorili. A teper' ono vot kak povernulos' - "zhopa" okazyvaetsja
  vasha prarodina. Interesno. 

>S glubokim uvazheniiam k
>mudaku iz Izrailia i nekotorym
>drugim,

>Michael Martynov.

 Veritsja, chto sebja-to vy uzh tochno uvazhaete.

 S.B.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com (Richard Seltzer)
Subject: Translation problem
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:46:52 GMT


I'm just finishing translating a 350-page book, and a handful of words,
which don't appear in any of my dictionaries, are giving me headaches.

Three refer to specific kinds of edible grain:
poa
elevzin
kogo

From context, another word seems to mean a platform of storage area for grain:
kluni (plural)

One refers to part of the anatomy of a goat:
zhigo or dzhigo

One is a proper name, refering to ancient rulers of Egypt:
ed vocab.txt
Mesraim (could this be a form of the name Moses?)

One refers to a surveying procedure:
nonius

One refers to a kind of perfume:
santal ("The queen other was heavily scented with attar of roses and santal.")

And for this one the dictionary entry is no help:
sal'nik
The Oxford Russian-English Dictionary renders this as "1. (anat.) epiploon, 
2. (tech.) stuffing box, (packing) gland"
"Epiploon" is an obscure English word that sends one on a merry chase through 
the unabridged dictionary.  It appears to be some sort of growth attached to 
the stomach and the colon and hanging over the small intestine.
This word appears in two different contexts in the book I'm translating.  
First, it is the organ of an animal (probably a ram), which an Ethiopian witch 
doctor hangs around his neck as a charm.
Second, it is an organ of a ram which can be used to make candles. ("Iz 
zhirnogo baran'yego kurdyuka my bytopili salo, iz sal'nika zhe ego sdelali 
svechi..."

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Richard Seltzer  seltzer@ics.dec.com
-- or --      ...!decwrl!ics.dec.com!seltzer
-- or --      seltzer%ics.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: couple of jokes
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:31:14 GMT

In article <106142@bu.edu>, simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:
> In article <1993Jan2.231321.4471@beaver.cs.washington.edu> gmfich@cs.washington.edu (Greg Fichtenholtz) writes:
> >Hey everybody!
> >Happy New Year's !!!!
> >
> >BTW, where did all jokes go?
> Idet Vasilli Ivanovich po Ierusalimy
> na Novii God, navctrechy Pet'ka:
> 
> - Shana Tova, V.I. !
> - Voistiny Tova ...
> 
> Sorry for not translating,

I heard a different version (shorter):

--Shabat shalom!
--Vo istinu shalom!

(same difference, though..)

--Igor P.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: okner@socrates.umd.edu (Benjamin Okner)
Subject: Looking for Odessa info
Summary: Seeking help in locating relatives
Keywords: Ukraine, Odessa, Okner
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:55:26 GMT

My grandfather lived in Odessa in the late 19th century and my father and
four aunts and uncles were born there.  I believe that my grandfather also
had one or two brothers who lived in Odessa.  

I have recently discovered Okner relatives still living in other parts of
Ukraine (Bershad and Tulchin) and think there is a good possibility that
there are still Okners living in Odessa.

I wonder if anyone knows whether there is a fairly up-to-date Odessa
telephone directory?  I understand that there are also "propiska lists"
that link people and their residences that might be available.  If anyone
has access to these sources, or has any other suggestions re getting
information, I would be most grateful.

Also, does anyone know if there is such a thing as e-mail to Ukraine or
Odessa?  I seems that ordinary mail often does not get thru.

Dosvedanya!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Final Point!!??
Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:26:57 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan11.171129.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>
>Com'n people!  All I am is a private of Pennsylvania Army National Gurads,
>which I translated to Russian as "Pennsil'vanskie Vnutrennie Voiska" (not the

Esche tochnee Mladshij Sergant etih voisk. (Vtoroj rang). Just FYI.
>
>Motherland.  All I wanted was to escape FROM X-USSR, so I could express myself
>more freely and openly. 
By serving in National Guard. 

Oh, that was the only reason? Than fly back as soon as possible. Apparently
Russiia is THE country of your choice (opposite to just SU).

Yury M.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11952 soc.culture.europe:11086 talk.politics.soviet:10318
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Bilingualism - a good cause!
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:36:19 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1ikic8$5ju@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.160713.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>>also against discrimination. You should at least give some evidence about
>>alleged "discrimination" done by the Estonian government before
>>accusing them of anything.
>
>You must be kidding. I do not have dictionary at hand, but I do not think
>I'll be much off target if I say that discriminate makes "make a difference",
>"have a differente attitude". I can see the difference between getting
>sitezenship automaticly and applying for it. Can you?
>
>Yury 

Just to clarify some points:

cauchy [3] 8:30pm verbit>webster discrimination
Cross references:
  1. discernment           
 
dis.crim.i.na.tion \dis-.krim-*-'na--sh*n\ \-shn*l, -sh*n-*l\ n 1: the
act 
   of discriminating : DIFFERENTIATION  2: the quality or power of finely 
   distinguishing  3: the act, practice, or an instance of
discriminating 
   categorically rather  than individually - dis.crim.i.na.tion.al aj
 
cauchy [4] 8:31pm verbit>webster discriminate
dis.crim.i.nate \dis-'krim-*-.na-t\ vb [L discriminatus, pp. of 
   discriminare, fr. discrimin-, dis]crimen distinction, fr. discernere to 
   distinguish between 1a: to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar 
   features of  1b: DISTINGUISH, DIFFERENTIATE  2: to distinguish by 
   discerning or exposing differences; esp : to  distinguish (one like object) 
   from another 1a: to make a distinction  1b: to use good judgment  2: to 
   make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than individual 
   merit
 
cauchy [5] 8:32pm verbit>

In case of racial or linguistic discrimination, only
the following applies:


" 2: to make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than
individual merit"

And only a shameless demagogue will claim that Estonian
goverment does not do discriminate. I am sincerely waiting
for Tapani's apologies.

Misha.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:32:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <C0GqC5.4pq@max.physics.sunysb.edu> LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg) writes:
>In <103888@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu writes:

>(Concerning recent ``krik dushi'' by Yevgeni Kilman)

>>  nash. Kakaja-to ona u vas strannaja - chest'. V bylye gody takih
>>  "chestnyh" streljali na dueljah.

>Buduchi soglasen s ostal'nimi  mislyami, viskazannimi v dannoj "stat'e", ya
>pozvolyu sebe  zametit', chto v  traditsii russkogo  ofitserstva ne vhodilo
>drat'sya na duele s unterami  ("starshinami"). Ih obichno posilali chistit'
>ofitserskie sapogi ili nakazivali  plet'mi. Predlagayu zadumat'sya, gospoda
>ofitseri...

  Nu konechno zhe! Vse eta neistrebimaja privychka v kazhdom g..ne
  (gospodine) videt' cheloveka, prichem ravnogo.

  Uchityvaja tsennoe zamechanie gospodina Landsberga, poslednjuju 
  frazu v moem otvete sleduet chitat':"Vbylye gody takih "chestnyh"
  posylali chistit' ofitserskie sapogi ili nakazyvali pletmi."

 :-)

>Greg

 S.B.
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sun & Russia
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:40:57 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1ic59uINNcbb@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, ilevi@nocharge.East.Sun.COM (Irina Levi - Sun East Coast IR Development) writes:
> In article 22931@gtech.com, ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:
>>
>>Are there still any restriction on the export of Sun equipment to Russia ?
>>
>>
>>Thank you
> 
> yes. a lot.
> 

I have heard that only SUN IPC with monochrome monitor
and without graphic accelerator are allowed in.
You know, friendship is a friendship...

Serega
From: dima@maths.uwa.oz.au (Dima Pasechnik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: soc.culture.soviet, discussions, etc.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 09:45:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Alexei Stolboushkin) writes:
[..]
>Po neiz`yasnimoj analogii vspominaetsya, chto zimoj 1984 goda, kogda
>narod lihoradochno pytalsya prodolzhit' ryad ``...Leonid Letopisets-
>Yurij Dolgorukij - ?'', hodila takaya shutka: ``Ran'she 4-e Glavnoe 
>Upravlenie Minzdrava zanimalos' problemami iskusstvennoj pochki,
>teper' - problemami iskusstvennogo intellekta''.

>Kstati, po povodu ryada: bylo li pridumano chto-to luchshee, chem
>``Konstantin Nezhilets''?

It seems that the best was "Kucher", though it's another style of aliases.
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:12:21 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <104424@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.163809.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
> 
>>Tak chto vy tam ne ochen', a to ved' mozhno i puliu v spinu poluchit' ot 
>>nashego brata. 
> 
>  Ja vse-taki nadejus', chto strelajt' v spinu eto ne traditsija 
>  Natl. Guards, a skoree privychka hrabretsa Martynova.

Ia voobshche ne ponimaiu kak mogut liudi bez maleishego poniatiia o strel'be,
gvardii i puliakh pytat'sia rassuzhdat' na eti temy.  A by iazyk pochesat'.

Shto vy ko mne priebalis', a?  Eto ochen' znaete li umno vydergivat' slova iz
kontesta i zhonglirovat' imi.

Ia by posmotrel na takogo hrabretsa kak vy, kak by on sebia vel kogda riadom
vzryvaiutsia miny i granaty, a vokrug paliat iz vsevozmozhnykh vidov oruzhiia,
dazhe esli vse eto v tseliakh trenirovki.  A ia, mezhdu prochim, polz 300 m.
po-plastunski pod pulemetnym ognem, kotoryi shel na vysote 1.5-2 metra.

A po povodu strel'by v spinu hochu otmetit', chto voina obychno ne duel' i vo
vraga streliaut nezavisimo ot ego polozheniia otnositel'no vas:  v spinu, v
grud', v zadnitsu... kuda popadet, lish by ubilo.

> 
>>Michael Martynov.
> 
>  S.B.

Michael Martynov,
Expert in hand granades,
Sharpshooter in rifle.
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From: kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny Kilman)
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:25:51 GMT

In article <103949@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
	----bulls-t deleted
>
>  Nu konechno zhe! Vse eta neistrebimaja privychka v kazhdom g..ne
>  (gospodine) videt' cheloveka, prichem ravnogo.
>
>  Uchityvaja tsennoe zamechanie gospodina Landsberga, poslednjuju 
>  frazu v moem otvete sleduet chitat':"Vbylye gody takih "chestnyh"
>  posylali chistit' ofitserskie sapogi ili nakazyvali pletmi."
>
> :-)
>
>>Greg
>
> S.B.
>

Ia, bratczi, tashus' ot vashego pristrstia ko vremenam czaria-batushki i
ego doblestnim voiskam. Hochu napomnit', chto oficzerstvo bilo udelom 
iskluchitelno dvorianstva. Prostomu mujiku oficzerstvo davalos' geroistvom
i dolgimi godami slujbi. Uchitivaia chto vseh rodovih dvorian bol'sheviki
libo povesili libo rasstreliali, sredi nas dvorianskih naslednikov net.
Mi s vami veroiatnie vsego nasledniki prachek, vodonosov, selian, i melkih
kupchishek. Tak chto, "gospoda pochtennie oficeri", let sto nazad ne videt'
bi vam etogo leitenestva kak svoih ushei, po tomu kak voennuiu kafedru
vam za geroistvo bi ne zaschitali. Blagodarite za svoe leitenastvo 
dedushku Lenina.

Y.K.


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