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From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson)
Subject: Re: G&M Book (was: S&G book...OOPS sorry 'bout that folks)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:57:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.235036.14233@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes:
>>OOPS...Got the subject field mangled.  No more coffee for this
>>guy :-)
>>
>>NeXTSTEP PROGRAMMING
>>STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications
>>Simson L. Grafinkel and Mikael K. Mahoney
>>ISBN: 0-387-97884-4
>>      3-540-97884-4
>>to order call the pubisher (Springer Verlag)
>>at 1-800-SPRINGER

Err, you should definitely stay away from the coffee...
The authors are Simson L. Garfinkel & Michael K. Mahoney.

- another Michael

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-->  Michael B. Johnson
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From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green)
Subject: Re: Kermit 5A(188) - 31 Dec 92 - available for ftp
Keywords: kermit, ftp, cica
Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:02:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.070837.9831@umr.edu> jlu@cs.umr.edu ( Eric Jui-Lin Lu ) writes:
>>I've moved the file to /pub/next/3.0/bin/kermit.5a.188.tar.Z.  I've also
>                                  ^^^
>
>Can I run it in NS2.x?

lothario:/tmp/kermit(360)# otool -L kermit
        /usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib (minor version 55)

No, and I don't have access to a 2.X machine to recompile it.  Perhaps
someone else will and if they upload it to ftp.cica.indiana.edu, I'll
happily move it to /pub/next/2.0/bin.

Todd
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From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman)
Subject: Re: how to read a (ie: 'tar') floppy?!?
Reply-To: gordie@cyclesoft.com
Organization: Dolphin Software
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:01:23 GMT

In article <1id1irINNmr8@anthrax.solbourne.com> hanzel@solbourne.com (Karl  
Hanzel) writes:
> Ok, i give up...
> 
> What's the secret to being able to stuff (just for example) a 'tar' floppy
> into a NeXT's drive and then to read it?  The scenario is this:  i'm here
> pax,
>    Karl
>    *----->
> 
>    (NeXT Mail to karl@khaos.com, thanks!)
> 

Note: This answer, or a better one should probably go into the FAQ, this  
question (and other related ones, such as "my floppy is stuck I can't eject  
it") is asked a lot.

When you use the tar command from the shell, specify /dev/rfd0b (for example to  
read the table of contents on a floppy: "tar tf /dev/rfd0b"). The man page on  
tar goes into more detail about the specifics. Don't insert the floppy, just  
type your tar command, and NeXTSTEP will politely ask you to insert the disk.

Now, you need to set the permissions on /dev/rfd0b to rw for whoever is using  
it. To do everyone (note /dev/rfd0b is owned by root):

% chmod 666 /dev/rfd0b
% ls -alsx /dev/rfd0b
   0 crw-rw-rw-  1 root      41,  1 Nov  4 10:23 /dev/rfd0b
%

If you don't want to set the permissions, you have to run tar as root.

To eject the disk, there is a command somewhere, sorry I can't remember what it  
is. However, a bit of hacking will get it ejected for you (see man page on fd  
et al for more info).

Here's a program, name the source eject.m and do what the comments say.

-------------cut for eject.m-----------------
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/file.h>
#include <bsd/dev/disk.h>
#include <bsd/dev/fd_extern.h>

// save this file as eject.m
// % make eject		# Make a binary (no makefile required)
// % strip ./eject	# Shrink the binary
// % ./eject 		# to eject the disk
// As long as /dev/rfd0b is crw-rw-rw- this will work, else
// run this program as root.

void
main (int argc, char** argv)
{
    int fd = open ("/dev/rfd0b", O_RDONLY,  0);
    ioctl (fd, DKIOCEJECT);
    close (fd);
    exit (0);
}

-----------------end eject.m-------------
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From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
Subject: Re: dictaphone software/hardware
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:20:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.032425.28194@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John  
Bartley) writes:
> In article <1993Jan10.233436.24031@ms.uky.edu>  
> kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu writes:
> > anyone seen dictaphone software/hardware for the next.
> 
> Yeah. A project like this was done for the University of MO medical  
> center. Customized mike unit with an interface into the computer (can't  
> remember which port they used though) and some software to go with it  
> that basically emulated exactly what the doctors would do with their  
> traditional Dictaphone. Unfortunately, after dinking around with it for  
> the last year, they decided not to go forward with a purchase. Typical  
> approach and attitude for this part of the country. I think it fell  
> victim to the "champagne appetite on a beer budget" syndrome.
> 
> John Bartley
> john@wpa.com

The actual box exists and there has been a preliminary production run of  
the device that the radiology dept at Washington Hospital.  I've been busy  
with other matters and the holidays, but hold on for a couple more weeks.   
HSD may sell the device which currently supports Sanyo handsets and  
footpedals off the shelf as well as other devices.  For Wash we used  
Lanier handsets (that require a cable-end modification) and it worked  
great.

If you'ld like more information, you can ask me directly (expect a 3-4 day  
turnaround back to you) or watch .announce for a product announcement.

peter

peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
From: punch@cps.msu.edu (Bill Punch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT in a Mac network, any experience?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:18:03 GMT
Organization: MSU KBS Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.cps.msu.edu

I'm looking for some comments by people who have used a NeXT machine in a Mac
environment (running appletalk, providing file service to Macs, etc.). We are
considering buying a NeXT (which I like a lot) as a file server and mail server
for a small lab of Macs, presently running apple-ethershare. Any experience would
be very helpful, thanks in advance.

					>>>bill punch<<<
					punch@cps.msu.edu
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From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan)
Subject: Re: Product of the Year (92)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:07:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.141115.5652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>  
cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.201433.9395@dvorak.amd.com> root@aunext1.amd.com  
> (Operator) writes:
> > I'm officially casting my vote for S&G's
> > book!  If not the BEST product...certainly
> > the most important (to me anyway).
> > 
> > Ronald Pomeroy
> > Advanced Micro Devices
> > CAM Applications Group
> > Austin, Texas
> > rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
> I hope to pick up my copy of S&G today.  Maybe I'll make it the product  
of  
> the year for 1994.  For 1993, though, the top ones on my list are:
> NeXTStep 3.0 (yes, bugs and all!)
> Concurrence (used it for 3 seminars)
> EquationBuilder (used it with TeXMenu, and with Concurrence)
> DarkForest (It's useful, but more important, it cracks me up!)
> --
I guess I meant to say S&G for 93, and the others for 92, since 94 isn't  
here yet, is it?  [Let's see, how many times DID I go through that  
wormhole?]

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From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi)
Subject: Re: Garfinkel & Mahoney's book : please post ordering info
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:44:22 GMT

In <2131.2b4c0d0d@mbcl.rutgers.edu> hamm@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:

>Could someone please post the full title, publisher, ISBN, etc., for
>the book -- I'd like to order it.


I just ordered it today.  Here is the info:

 NeXTSTEP Programming -- STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Appcliations
 Simson L. Garfinkel and Michael K. Mahoney
 Hardbound, 664 pages, includes DOS diskette
 ISBN: 0-387-97884-4


I got this info from somebody else a while back but I forget who.  My
apologies to that person as well as a thank you.

-Mark

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  Unix Support Group                                        (NeXT Mail Welcome)
  University of Manitoba Computer Services
 "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
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From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu 
Subject: dictaphone software/hardware
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:34:35 GMT

anyone seen dictaphone software/hardware for the next.

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Any reviews of Garfinkel & Mahoney's book?
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:34:43 GMT

I've read only one review of G&M's recently-released book, of those  
 
that have read it, would you post your opinion of the quality of the book and why you feel the way you do about it?

I would be more interested in reviews of the book now that it has gone to press because this is the copy I would be buying were I to purchase this book.  I also would be more interested in reviews of the book from more than just one person.

Thanks,
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail welcome
ow that it has gone to press because this is the copy I would be buying were I t
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From: schlangm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Harald Schlangmann)
Subject: Using HP LJIIIp with djf_for_3.0?
Keywords: Printer,djf_for_3.0,IIIp
Originator: schlangm@hphalle0i.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:34:16 GMT


I wounder if anyone out there patched djf_for_3.0 (or earlier versions)
to work with a HP Laserjet IIIp? I've tried the Dots-Demo and it is
working, djf produces just garbage. Shouldn't djf work with IIIp also?
As far as I know, HP's IIIp uses PCL5 and should support mode 2 and 3
compression --- or is just a initializer missing?

Any help would be nice. Please answer to schlangm@informatik.uni-muenchen.de,
I will summarize if I get any helpfull reply.

Thanx, Harald

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From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu 
Subject: Re: Webster CompactDictionary
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:51:59 GMT

David Kelman writes
-> 	While looking through the files on NS 3.0, which I finally received
-> Tuesday after a five month wait, I noticed that in Webster's there is both a
-> CompactDictionary and a Dictionary.  The Compact is 13.6 Meg, while
-> Dictionary is 20.3 Meg.  Are both necessary, or can I delete the compact and
-> free up a lot of space?
-> 
-> David Kelman
-> 
-> 
-> --
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->      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
->         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
->            internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

I "think" the data is redundant. I've removed the compact dict and have 
had no prob.

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	"There's a reason for everything."

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From: hanzel@solbourne.com (Karl Hanzel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: how to read a (ie:'tar') floppy?!?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:20:11 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax-fddi.solbourne.com

Ok, i give up...

What's the secret to being able to stuff (just for example) a 'tar' floppy
into a NeXT's drive and then to read it?  The scenario is this:  i'm here
at work, and i write off a 'tar' floppy on a machine here.  I go home and plug
it in my NeXT, only to be prompted "Floppy unreadable:  initialize or eject?:"
by a dialog window.  It expects that any floppy you stick in it is supposed to
be a mountable file system... that's what it will do to it if you select the
"initialize" option.  I need an "ignore" option that will just let it sit
there in the drive until i later go to read it with 'tar'.  The workspace has
a preferences option that sounds like it would do the trick (under
disk/removable_media, there is "do nothing") but it doesn't... you still get
the prompt for "initialize or eject" when inserting a non-fs floppy.

Now, i not too cleverly figured out how to work around this to write a 'tar'
(or it might as well be 'cpio', 'dd'...) floppy.  I go ahead and "initialize"
it (wasting time while it creates the file system (and maybe does a format?)),
but then as root, unmount that new filesytem without ejecting the floppy.
Then, i'm free as me to do whatever with it... oh... until i want to eject it.
Then what? "Eject" is not at that point selectable from the workspace's "disk"
menu.  I think i have to reboot the machine to get it to eject.

This seems impossibly silly!... what am i missing here?  The basic user doc
doesn't even hint at how to proceed with this.

pax,
   Karl
   *----->

   (NeXT Mail to karl@khaos.com, thanks!)

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From: b_brottier@cubx.com
Subject: Re: dictaphone software/hardware
Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:20:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.233436.24031@ms.uky.edu> kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu   
writes:
--|  anyone seen dictaphone software/hardware for the next.
--|  
--|  --
--|   
_______________________________________________________________________________
--|  	"There's a reason for everything."
--|  
--|  	Kevin Solie
--|  	Director of Developement:	benchMark Developements, Inc.


PhrasePlayer from Teledia should interrest you.
Teledia is a french firm, but you can order to NeXTconnection.
See your old issues of NeXTworld, there is some ad there

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From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: VT100 codes(?) send funny characters on the modem?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:18:53 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
Reply-To: gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: ah3.cal.msu.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

When I dial in to the NeXT, with kermit (PC or Mac) occasionally some scrren
control codes don't work properly.  Generally it is around the time that
the screen should be cleared, but sometimes the screen does clear (it always
works in the same place and always goofs up in the same places).
Generally I get it when I log on, before the first prompt appears, but I get
it when I quit a few programs and lots of times in the Goper client (1.1 I
think?)  Sometimes it goofs up with words in the man pages, I think thos words
are inverse or underlined.

The most common code is ?[;H?[2J and it generally starts with ?[; but not
always.

It NEVER errors when I am running terminal from the console, and I don't think i
t errors when I use NCSA telnet on the Mac (TCP mode).

Any suggestions??  It doesn't bother me much, but the others using the modem
don't like it very much and worry about the strange chracters, especally when
screenfuls of information overwrite themselves.


--

Gary J LaPointe
gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
Michigan State University
Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities
From: Tony Wosnjuk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Need Faster Screen Refresh and  Better Focus.
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:28:10 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.


I just got hold of a NeXTstation COLOR. I was very excited at first.

Is nice to see some different colors for a change, but my screen is not as  
sharp as before (Black and White) and the refresh takes much longer when  
going from one application to another. The new windows(open applications)  
seems like to row halfway, stop and continue. This is specially true when  
openning mail, file viewer, or any app which occupies a big enough part of  
the screen.

Does anybody know what I could do to make the response time of the  
interface faster. I have 16M of memory, monitor model no. N4001, .

Any good tweakers out there.

Oh, please don't tell me to buy more memory.

Thanks.


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From: jlu@cs.umr.edu ( Eric Jui-Lin Lu )
Subject: X server for the (regular or non-turbo) Color NeXTStation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:56:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

Hi *,

I grabed X11R5 distribution from foxtrot.  And to be able to
work with my (non-turbo) color station, I also grabed a color
X server from nova.  It works fine; however, there are verticle
lines all over the screen.  It seems to me that these lines
are generated by opening windows/menus.  In other words, whenever,
I pop up the main menu in the root window, two new verticle
lines are created.  It's pretty annoying.  Does anyone in the
net know there is a better color X server?  Thanks!!


  --Eric
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From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Subject: Re: The easy way to install fonts (Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!)
Reply-To: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:27:06 GMT

In article <Jan.10.21.54.41.1993.3068@gandalf.rutgers.edu>  
szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes:
> I have an interesting problem with my fonts...
> 
> I use a particular font Fritz Quadrata.  In all of my regular apps  
only the bold version of the font appears even though I have both the  
bold and regular versions installed in my LocalLibary/Fonts directory.   
However under FrameMaker I can see and use both?!  Why would this be  
so.  BTW I'm using NS 3.0 and I've copied the 2.0 version of  
buildafmdir to my machines so supposedly everything should work...  I  
do have a lot of fonts though, so may more of them are 'missing' but  
this is the only one I know of.  
> Any ideas?

You can turn this around, too. A client of mine bought Helvetica  
Fractions to use with FrameMaker. EVERY NeXT app they have sees  
Helvetica Fractions in the font panel except for FrameMaker. We asked  
RightBrain about this and they said it was Frame's fault - ask Frame.  
We asked Frame about it and guess what? They said ask Rightbrain. 

I don't know enough about the inner workings of all the font family  
name stuff, but based on the response that I saw in an earlier post  
today, this may be the work around that will allow it to be used within  
FrameMaker. It may be more trouble than it's worth though, because when  
the stuff goes to the printer, whatever Helvetica Fractions is changed  
too will have to be changed back. 

So, a pox upon Frame for their font panel, and a pox upon RightBrain  
for not living up to their support promise.

John Bartley
john@wpa.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:23726 comp.sys.next.software:3432
From: droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software
Subject: need a cheapter database
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:39:45 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than
Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C
app via DBKit?
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From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Any reviews of Garfinkel & Mahoney's book?
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:32:08 GMT

In article <23185@venera.isi.edu> woolf@isi.edu (Suzanne Woolf) writes:
>But, agreed that this book isn't really for experts.  It probably
>doesn't have too much to say to someone with extensive experience
>writing code in multiple languages, who already understands OOP and
>GUI principles, and who can spend a lot of time reading the reference
>documentation and writing code-experiments.  But any of us
>less-advanced folk can probably learn a lot from the book.
>

I'll buy the book if, after reading it, you have a clear idea of why the 
functionality of a Button is split between two classes (Button and 
ButtonCell) rather than one. The philosophy behind the appkit heirarchy is 
not well explained in the NeXT documentation.

Dave Griffiths
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From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson)
Subject: Re: NS3.0 Gold .vs  Green????!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:26:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.053455.24730@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu writes:
>Hi,
>
>	Just notice that my 3.0 CD-ROM is different from others.
>Mine has got a green top, and I heard someone's got GOLD.
>
>	What are the difference between these two? I got my from the Edu  
>CD-ROM Drive bundle deal, is that why I get the green instead of Gold?
>
>Gary

The "box" the CD comes is in gold with green lettering.  The CD itself is
half black (top half), half green (bottom half).  I don't know of another
shipping version.

Eric
From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: RS/6000 and NeXT Machines
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:41:03 GMT
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1993Jan3.173203.3005@news.cs.brandeis.edu>  
duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Karen Duca, a.k.a. Rocky) writes:
>>My group is considering getting a NeXT as a client machine for an RS/6000.
>>Seeing as the RS has been such a "delight" to use since we got it several
>>months ago, I want to make sure that this mating is compatible before we
>>go ahead.  Any suggestions from people who are working with these two 
>>machines now?  What software is the best for running X-Windows on the NeXT?
>>
>>Thanx,
>>Karen
>>duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu

co-Xist3.0 screams on my NST and is a pleasure to use (well...err...
as pleasurable as X/Motif can get)

Happy Camper :-)
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