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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:25:32 CST
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Are Christians still sinners?

>Lonnie:

>You and John the Baptist have a lot in common :-)

>I think of Paul who probably thought he was a good Godly man while he was
>killing Christians and persecuting the Church. Then all of a sudden his
>eyes were opened to the truth. He got saved!

>I think the Pharisees also considered themselves believers from birth;
>something about saying they could see when Jesus told them they couldn't
>see.

>Tom

Well, I am certain that I am uncertain that there is a point here to get,
and I addmitt I do not see one.

Tom, if I missed something you were trying to tell me, please send
me a private note of explaination.

Lonnie Schubert
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:59:09 CST
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: COUNSELLING ADVICD-TOM

Shelby:

Thanks for your reply.

Tom
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:50:05 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Re: I, Jesse made an error on Christia

Jesse, you are the first that insult the others, now you ask a patient
discussion ?

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:05:56 CST
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jesse a bit miffed 'bout his treatment by some!
              17 Nov 1992 15:35:00 MST from <SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>

Dear Steven ;

Could you define "spirit led" for me please, sir?
For you see, even the great Christian polemicist, Apollos, who traveled with
Paul, employed skilled, Biblical polemics against the heresies of many apostate
Jews.

Being "polemic" is NOT the same as being "pugnacious."  Highly skilled use of
the Scriptures, in a logical fashion, is not pugnacious.  So let's not be
nebulous on this matter.  We are "big" boys and girls, and if we are Christians
at all, then we should know HOW we need to treat one another.



Jesse Carnes
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From:         Angela Zimmerman <AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      God's word as truth

Item Retrieval Assistant, DADS
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>How can you say that it is natural for gays to be gay?   You are right about
>one thing and that is When God speaks about a matter it is no longer a neutral
>subject.  God speaks against it in the bible.  He word is true and it stand
>when we are no longer.   We can either accept the word of God or we can try
>to justify our wrong doings and that is simply rejecting God.  In God's word
>there is no statement that says it is a natural feeling for a gay person to be
>gay.
>
>Janie

Ok, i will accept that being gay is a sin *if and only if* you will accept
that wearing a cotton/polyester blend shirt is a sin, and that eating a
rare or even medium rare hamburger is a sin of the same degree as being
gay.  After all, if people are going to follow God's word, it better be
*all* of it, and not just the choice parts that suit what you want to believe.

Referring to another post you wrote, i have read the parts in leviticus about
homosexuality.  That's where i found the references to wearing clothing with
mixed fabrics and eating flesh that still has blood in it, not to mention
a few other things that are common today but are not considered sins.  I know
some are rather tired of this argument, but i have yet to hear it explained
adequately.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:16:08 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      SofT, Aug. 1894

Quoted from "Things to Come," a monthly periodical edited in the very late 19th
and early 20th centuries by E.W. Bullinger:

THE CHURCH FORWARD MOVEMENT.

The Daily Chronicle of June 4th contains a report of a sermon headed "Mr.
Adderley on Heaven."

The Rev. Mr. Adderley preached, on June 3rd, under the auspices of the Church
Army, at Brunswick Chapel, W., the last of a series on "Christian Social
Union."  His subject was "The New Jerusalem" (Rev. xxi.2), which he described
as "perfected humanity."  This had not yet come, because people had "not given
themselves up to Him," notwithstanding Christ "had pitched His tent among us,
urging upon us His own perfection as the goal of humanity."  The first great
thing to be aimed at was "the life of social brotherhood," for "religion was
not a matter of personal salvation."

This is the teaching which is being forced upon the people to the accompaniment
of string bands and musical performances, under the title of "Bright and
Attractive Services."  It is another sign of the times, indicating the method
in which the salvation of God, through the atoning blood of Christ, is about to
be set aside by a Babylonian gospel of "perfected humanity," first of all by
confounding truth and falsehood, and presently by leaving out the atonement
altogether.

THE NEW EXODUS.

Under this now common title the Daily Graphic of July 7, 1894, gives an
illustrated "interview" with Baron Hirsch, and this, taken in connection with a
Foreign-office report recently issued from the British Vice-Consul at Buenos
Ayres, shows the gigantic nature of the scheme and the certainty of its
success.  It is remarkable that the Baron has no idea of fulfilling Prophecy;
indeed he deprecates it.  Nevertheless, it is strange that such a word as an
"Exodus" should today be in the air, just as the Lord is about to "set His hand
the second time to recover the remnant of HIs people ... like as it was to
Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt." (Isaiah xi.11-16).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo
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Subject: All TRUE Christians Love TRUTH
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:23:37 GMT
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Thanks Jesse Carnes.  That is exactly how I feel.

Janie
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Subject:      Re: Prayer Request

Hi Michael;

>Many of you may well remember my neighbor Paul. His wife Margie died of
>cancer a couple of years ago. He remarried a fine Korean woman. And
>they have been like family to us.
>
>Well, the company he works for, Areotron, has gone belly up. He's now
>looking for work. Several prospects look good, but for those companies
>on a calendar year, they don't want to hire anyone late in the year,
>their budgets look quite lean at month 11 and 12.
>
>Please pray that they will not run into financial problems, that God's
>peace will fill their house as they WAIT on the Lord. The waiting is the
>hard part and though Paul knows the Lord will take care of him, it
>sometimes is still hard.

>When Paul married Toni, it was understood that they would share everything,
>but here they are married and now Paul NEEDS her money (retirement and
>and a settlement from Toni's first marriage) I'm sure Paul feels "funny"
>about it all. He spent about 1 hour with Linda and me tonight and I said
>I was going to put out this request, and he thought it would be nice,
>though I don't know he understands networks.

>I'll print off anything sent and hand deliver it to him. I think anything
>would help lift his spirit. I mean he trusts and knows the Lord is in
>control but he would feel better if he could just see what God has in
>mind.

>Boy, how many times have I felt like that.

  The story which comes to mind is that about Joseph who went
through a great deal of suffering and remained faithful.  I
personally believe God allowed Joseph to go through all that he
did so God could show 1) His grace of forgiveness through
Joseph's life.
 2) God, knowing that a famine was coming to Canan in the near
furture, had prepared a way for His people to go to Egypt.
Joseph was the 'instrument' which God would use to find favor for
His people in Egypt.  As you will recall from the story, Joseph
had great authority over the food provisions in Egypt.

  It looks as if God in His infinite wisdom allowed Paul to meet
and marry Toni in order to provide the needed resources when the
times became difficult.  Once the 'famine' is over, He will
provide for Paul's needs.  I would just praise God for His
provision and remain faithful.
  I can relate to how Paul feels about taking money from his
wife.  I would have a problem with this myself, however, from
what you said, it sounds like Toni is more than happy to share.
She seems to have the idea 'this is ours, not mine alone.'  I
would further suggest that Paul remember the obvious love shown
here by his wife.

  These were just some thoughts. Hope it helps.

   In Christ
   John Hart
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From: sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner)
Subject: Re:      Re: Ozzy Osbourne
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:21:17 GMT


	Could someone tell those of us who are culturally illiterate just what 
Ozzy Osbourne does in those concerts of his?  I like to understand what 
people are arguing about.

-- 
Steve Schaffner        sschaff@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu
	The opinions expressed may be mine, and may not be those of SLAC, 
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:03:55 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      UPDATE:URGENT PRAYER REQUEST

Dear Christia - Fellow Prayer Warriors,

The little 2  year old boy has  died. Thank you all for  praying for him.
Please, please pray  for his family. We all know  that this precious soul
is with  Jesus as  I am  writing to you,  and for  this we  are grateful.

Dear Heavenly Father,

I know that this  loved one is with You now  and is experiencing heaven's
awesome beauty. Please comfort the Moore  family at this very tragic time
in their  lives. Wrap  them in  Your love  and give  them Your  peace. We
praise You Father because we know that he is not suffering any more. Help
the  family now  and during  the funeral.  In Jesus  Name we  pray. Amen.

Thank you all for your prayers - You all are so beautiful.

Your sister in Christ,

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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:35:40 CST
From:         Lonnie Schubert <S096556@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Polemic?

Howdy Christia participants,

Our U. just installed a news reader, which relieves me of
daily maint. of my mail notebooks, so I plan to participate
some again.  Its good to be back.

Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1975 ed.) defines polemic thus:

1) polemic n [F (MF) polemique, controversial, fr. Gk polmikos, warlike,
hostile, fr. polemos, war; akin to OE ealfolo, baleful, Gk pallein,
to brandish] 1a: an aggressive attack on or refutation of the opinions
or principles of another  b: the art or practice of disputation
or controversy -- usu. pl. but sing. or pl. in constr.  2: an
aggressive controversialist : DISPUTANT

2) polemic or polemical adj. 1: of, relating to, or being a polemic :
CONTROVERSIAL  2: engaged in or addicted to polemics : DISPUTATIOUS

and,

polemize vt: to engage in controversy : dispute aggressively

(and, baleful adj 1: deadly or pernicious in influence  2: foreboding
evil : OMINOUS, syn. SINISTER)


I assert that polemic is inappropriate for any Christian.
We are commanded to walk in love and, as much as is within us,
to live peaceably with all men.

I also assert that polemic is particularly inappropriate to this
listserve.  Let us speak the truth *IN LOVE*.

"They will know you are my disciples by your love." Jesus, the Christ

Lonnie Schubert  (Keep in mind 1Cor. chptr. 13.)
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:36:30 CST
From:         Jesse Irwin Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Jesse a bit miffed 'bout his treatment by some!

Dear All on Christia ;

Yes, it is I, Jesse Carnes.
I am a bit ruffled, because someone on the net posted PUBLICALLY, what was
rather scathing remarks about yours truly.
Accused I was of "insulting" some on the net, and yet calling for "peace"
among us.  In effect, what you have is "the proverbial pot calling the kettle
black."

Now, trying to shake off the statement made by said person, I think I would
like to make a quick observation.

On this list serv, if we wish to be polemic ... then let's be so.  If we get
a bit ruffled and it moves from the CONTENT of someone's polemic towards the
CHARACTER of the PERSON, themselves, then I think private E-mail channels are
a bit more appropriate.  However, I have posted short blurbs of neutral nature
on the net that went to specific persons ... due to the fact that I could not
find their E-mail address at my fingertips.  I DO apologize for this
inconvenience to some.

Nevertheless, let's remember that we are big boys and girls here. Heaven's sake
many of us have spouses and children, so were are not 17 year old college
freshmen, for the most part.  Let's respond accordingly.

Gracious, I know that personal disagreements are hard to avoid TOTALLY, but
if it is pure content, then we can take the "heat".  If it is personal, lets
take the obvious route of E-mail.

We are here to learn ... we are here to promulgate TRUTH ... we are here to
GLORIFY Christ, above all else.  We are not here to further "warm fuzzies",
touchie-feelies, or mere opinions stated as facts.Truth ALONE sets one free.



Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:53:29 CST
From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanksgiving post - Madge

Dear Madge:
I  post this over the list because I want everyone here to know
that I think you're terriffic (Did I spell that right gang?)
Anyway,  it takes lots of stamina to hold together a list that
generates this much mail.
You and Steven really do an excellent job.
I forgot to mention one more thing about what I'm thankful for:
I'm thankful for a Christian roomie from last semester that
showed me how to use this 'puter, and who showed me what Christia
was all about.
JOY....IF YOU'RE READIN' THIS.... you're too cool for words!
Bless you all this holiday season.
You're all in my prayers.
Madge:  Hopefully, you and Steven will always have the strength
to run this list with Grace....and STYLE, which I've noticed
lots of lately.

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:16:08 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Leo Gone Thanksgiving Week

I will not be near a computer Thanksgiving week, so I will not be posting
Scripturettes.

May each of you have a long and devoted time of Thanksgiving to God the Father
of our Lord Jesus Christ.  May those of you with a family united in the basic
Christian faith have a heavenly fellowship.

For those of us with family problems, may God grant us wisdom when making
judgments, faith when manifesting our hearts, love when sharing our
convictions, and power when ministering His Word.

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:36:02 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      PRAYER REQUEST

Dear Christia Prayer Warriors,

I ran  into a  co-worker on my  job, Carolyn Brown,  who states  that her
father  recently had  a heart  attack. He  is still  in the  hospital and
she said  that she  would appreciate it  if you all  would pray  for him.
Thank you for your prayers.

Dear Heavenly Father,

We thank  You for  all Your blessings  and infinite love.  We ask  You to
heal Carolyn's father from the top of  his head to the soles of his feet.
We ask  that his recovery will  be a speedy  one and that he  will return
home very soon.  In Jesus Name we pray.  Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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Subject:      user created spss procedures

Is there a list of user created procedures for SPSS?
Is there a LISTSERV from which files can be retreived that
have code?

Art Kendall
ajk@nihcu
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:40:53 EST
From: Bill Verity <WHV@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Recoding a variable into its ntiles.

Several people suggested I use the RANK procedure.  Sounds like a SAS answer
to me.  Where is RANK in SPSS.
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From: gavin@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Gavin K. Longmuir)
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Hi all!

Sometime ago I asked a question in many of the network newsgroups,
about the lack of a sci.demography newsgroup. I received a luke warm
response about creating such a newsgroup.

Anyway to cut a long story short, I'm announcing the formation of a
demographic mailing list. It is to be open to all, and have no
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The charter of the demographic-list mailing list follows:


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Subject:      Repeated Measures in Regression Analysis

I have a research design with 3 IVs: 2 are subject variables and the third is a
within-subjects condition variable.  How do I specify these variables, and all
interactions, in an SPSSX regression statement?

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Ellen Sullins
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From: dneufeld@student.business.uwo.ca (Derrick J. Neufeld)
Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:04:14 GMT

Hessels@SOA.FSW.EUR.NL writes:

> Dear specialists,
> 
> We have the following problem. In a causal model we have found
> path coefficients as presented below.
> 
> 
> ethnic group -- .67 -> Social economic status __________ .03
>       |   |                      |                         |
>       |   |                      |                         |
>       |    \                    -.01                       |
>       |     |____________________|__________ .20 _____     |
>       |                          |                    |    |
>       |                         \|/                  \|/  \|/
>      .40 ----------------> intelligence --- .36 ---> arithmatic
> 
> 
> We are very pleased that 'ethnic group' largely determines 'social
> economic status (SES)' and that ethnic group shows a path coefficient
> of .20 with arithmatic.
> 
> However, in regression analysis a high correlation, such as between

Have you considered using a second-generation causal modeling technique,
such as LISREL or PLS?

 
  Derrick J. Neufeld, Ph.D. Candidate-MIS, University of Western Ontario  
  Internet: DNeufeld@Business.UWO.CA  Phone: (519) 679-2111 (ext. 5174)  
 

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From:         "Necia A. Black" <BLACK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Price list for SPSS for Windows?

Does anyone have a price list for SPSS Windows version they can share with
us, maybe by Fax?  We have spoken to SPSS, Inc. three different times, and left
messages with the promise that something would be sent, but we have yet to
hear from anyone.  We like to do things over semester break, so if we are to
plan for getting windows version up on LANs, etc, we need information and then.
to get the product.

We have a site license for DOS version.  I was interested in the post recently
from the UK about being sent for no fee?  We are anxious to find out what the
pricing is here for the Windows version.

Flame on - I have been concerned in the past about lack of timely response
from Tech Support (which does seem to be getting better - a person even answer-
ed the phone directly a couple of weeks ago) - but if marketing cannot respond
in a timely fashion, there must be a problem.  Flame off.

Thanks for any information you can give me.
Cheers,

Necia A. Black, RN, Ph.D.      Bitnet:    BLACK@UBVM
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SUNY-BUFFALO                   FAX:       (716) 645-3081
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Reply-To:     Jeff Walker <JWALKER@SBBIOVM.BITNET>
From:         Jeff Walker <JWALKER@SBBIOVM.BITNET>
Subject:      address

Dear SPSS netters,

Would someone please return back the address and phone number of SPSS, inc,
please.  I am not on this list so please respond directly, thanks.


                                            Jeff Walker
                                            Department of Anatomical Sciences
                                            SUNY at Stony Brook