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From: enge@almaden.ibm.com (Roy Engehausen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RACES Bulletin #256
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:37:12 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

BID : $RACESBUL.256


TO:  ALL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCIES VIA AMATEUR RADIO
INFO:  ALL RACES OPERATORS IN CA (ALLCA: OFFICIAL)
       ALL AMATEURS U.S.         (@ USA: INFORMATION)
FROM:  CA STATE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES (W6HIR @ WA6NWE.CA)
       2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA  95832  (916)262-1600
       Landline BBS open to all: (916) 262-1657
RACESBUL.256                                DATE: Jan. 11, 1993
SUBJECT:  OPS - Responder's checklist

     The following was prepared by the Santa Barbara Amateur Radio
Club. Please pass on to your Radio Officer.
                         Are you ready?
     All ARES members should have a "ready bag" packed and
available to grab when a callout comes. Even Net Controllers will need
forms and supplies at hand for immediate use and personal items if
responding to the van. What you have in your pack will depend on your
duties. Some will be available to fit everything in a briefcase or tote
bag; others will need a duffel bag.
     It's a good idea for all Amateurs to have some gear in one place,
because you never know when a disaster might strike -- even if it's not a
callout.
     Here are some *suggestions*. Perhaps it will get you started on
making your own list so you can pack your bag. Keep your list handy so
you can grab your last-minute items normally kept elsewhere or actively
used.
     PERSONAL ITEMS:  Uniform, ID cards, FCC and DMV licenses.
Safety equipment: flashlight, goggles, dust mask, gloves, hearing
protection, rain gear, chem-lights. Personal items (for 24-hour
duration): food and utensils, water, first aid supples, waterproof
matches or cigarette lighter, extra prescription glasses, personal
medicines, personal hygiene items, extra clothing, sleeping bag or
"space blanket, change for telephone call.
     ADMINISTRATIVE:  Notepad, writing implements, maps, log
sheets, phone lists, clock, frequency lists, repeater directory. You might
also like to tip out the white pages of the phone book, or at least the
front section, which gives all sorts of useful information.
     COMMUNICATIONS:  Transceiver, portable transceiver,
headphones, microphone, power supply/batteries/battery pack,
adapters, antennas, cigarette lighter adapter, patch cords, barrel
connectors, elbows, pocket knife, fuses, alligator clips, solder and iron,
SWR bridge, VOM,
     TOOL KIT:  Screwdriver, pliers, dikes, black tape, extension cord
with multiple outlet, adapters, light nylon cord.
---Lou Dartanner, N6ZKJ

EOM


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From: jernandez@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re:Use of microwave oven as an amateur transmitter
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:03:46 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <16B4DE52A.WEBBG@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu>, WEBBG@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
> In article <rrgd50-050193130047@222.5.80.3>
> rrgd50@email.sps.mot.com (Chris Terwilliger) writes:
>  
>>
>>by the way...has anyone ever used tried to modulate old oven parts???
>>Seems like a good project for someone with an oven they don't use any
>>more...
>>
>  
> I've thought about doing this.  Anyone know what this would involve?
>  
> +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
> |  Geoffrey Webb  N7ZRR                |  Internet: webbg@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  |
> |  Systems Analyst/Programmer II       |  Bitnet:   webbg@wsuvm1              |
> |  Washington State University         |  Amprnet:  n7zrr@AA7GV.##wa.ampr     |
> |  Pullman WA 99163                    |  Phone:    (509) 335-4213            |
> +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
From: kurt@cs.tamu.edu (Kurt Freiberger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CFD: proposal for rec.radio.amateur.standup.philosophy
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:49:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsls1.cs.tamu.edu
Keywords: Mel Brooks   Lepetomaine

In article <1ict06INNot8@west.West.Sun.COM>, flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE]) writes:
|> 
|> Harrumph indeed!  Well, I'll second the motion providing you can explain
|> what a pek-a-dee-o is....  --> Sounds like something you grab when
|> you're unsure of the situation at hand.... (e.g. Get a Grip!)
|> 
|> :-)
|> 
A peccadillo is a cross between an armadillo and a chicken - no really:

pec.ca.dil.lo \,pek-<e>-'dil-(,)<o^->\ n, pl -loes or -los (1591)
 [Sp pecadillo, dim. of pecado sin, fr. L peccatum, fr. neut. of peccatus,
pp. of peccare]
    :a slight offense

Hmmm, getting a grip could be a peccadillo, depending on the gripee...
8-}
-- 
Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw	  kurt@cs.tamu.edu   409/847-8607  fax:409/847-8578
Dept. of Computer Science, Texas A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7 pilot
"We preserve our freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury, and cartridge."
      *** Not an official document of Texas A&M University ***
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: niallp@ee.ubc.ca (niall parker)
Subject: Re: HELP: ICOM IC2SE Mods & US info Wanted
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:47:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.130837.16628@rdg.dec.com> ralexander@irnbru.enet.dec.com (Robin Alexander) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I recently acquired a 2nd hand IC2SE H/H. I`m gonna be
>visiting the US at the end of the Month for the SuperBowl
>and wondered if anyone had any info on how to mod the set
>for the US frequency allocation???
>

The mod for North American coverage is pretty simple, just removing
a wire jumper from the thumbwheel and completing the connection at
the other end of the ribbon cable at two points just before it
connects to the headers by the PLL counter.

The wire jumper is for expanded receive 140-150 (normally it
just wraps the thumbwheel data over at 146 (148)). This also
opens it up for transmit as well however, so you will have to 
watch the PTT when listening out of band. This can be fixed by the
addition of a 10K resistor near the same chip, (sorry if it's 
rather vague, I haven't got the schematics with me !).

-- 
- - - - - - -
Niall Parker				niallp@ee.ubc.ca
UBC Electrical Engineering	    or	VE7HEX@VE7UBC.#VANC.BC.CAN.NOAM
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Converting 49Mhz Toys to 6 meters
Date: 5 Jan 1993 02:09:54 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov

In article <2993@eram.esi.COM.AU> dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>
>Evidently the Tandy in Australia is nothing like the Radio Shack in USA.

No, the Radio Shack in the USA sells overpriced junk, too.
--scott
From: klaudon@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re:  Info-Hams Digest V93 #23
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:24:42 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

q
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: Amateur radio in PR China
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:30:30 GMT

Heard on "Newsline", Jan 1 report, that China is starting to allow
individuals to become amateur radio operators.  Prefixes like BG and
similar.  Wonder if they will be allowed to operate packet, and
have packet BBSs networked to the rest of the world.  Then they'd
have access to uncensered postings and other trash that circulates
around the <whatever>@WW distribution  :-)
Even if they did, somehow I'd doubt that it would have much political
impact on their government.  
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: DRAKE TR-7(A) XCVR
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:24:40 GMT

Has anybody out there owned or used the Drake TR-7(A) xvcr???

I'd like to know it's good and bad points & How would it compare
in performance to rigs like the Icom 751A & Kenwood TS-830s..

Any comments would be appreciated...

thanks,
--------------------------------------


Email: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu
Jeff Ordon WV2N
From: kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Origin of "88's" and "73's" ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:34:01 GMT
Reply-To: kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, tcline@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ted Cline) writes:
>Speaking of the meaning of "72":
>
>> And George_Noyes said:
>>
>> I believe it is just a "low power version" of 73's.  (If I recall 72
>> 88's were part of a larger list of messages at one time, no longer
>> used.)
>
>I'm interested in these _old_ number codes.
>----> Were there others, now no longer used?
>

Well, I know that the old wire transmission services used to use the
number "30" to signify the end of each message.  This was sent using
the old "true" Morse.  The sender would belt it out as:

   di-di-di-dah-dit  (3)   daaaahhhh  (long dash, or 0)

SOUND FAMILIAR???

Yep, this is the origin of the "SK" or "VA" sent today.  Actually, we
are mimicking a landline Morse transmission of "30".

73.    Ken Stuart, W3VVN
From: oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: YX0AI
Keywords: QSLs
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:01:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

According to the latest issue of QRZ-DX, a new route for YX0AI cards
is YX0AI-YV5ARV, 3180 Leewood Terrace, L-208, Boca Raton, FL 33431.
Cards sent there will be processed in YV eventually (hand-carried?),
so don't include US postage.   I would assume that a $$ contribution,
at least to cover the return airmail, would be appropriate.   Cards
that arrived without the $$ or IRCs enclosed are being answered via
the bureau.   4M0ARV cards can be sent to the above address as well.

Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas, 
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu 
oo7@emx.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: niallp@ee.ubc.ca (niall parker)
Subject: Re: HELP: ICOM IC2SE Mods & US info Wanted
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:17:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.034740.3706@ee.ubc.ca> niallp@ee.ubc.ca (niall parker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.130837.16628@rdg.dec.com> ralexander@irnbru.enet.dec.com (Robin Alexander) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I recently acquired a 2nd hand IC2SE H/H. I`m gonna be
>>visiting the US at the end of the Month for the SuperBowl
>>and wondered if anyone had any info on how to mod the set
>>for the US frequency allocation???
>>
>
>The mod for North American coverage is pretty simple, just removing
>a wire jumper from the thumbwheel and completing the connection at
>the other end of the ribbon cable at two points just before it
>connects to the headers by the PLL counter.
>
>The wire jumper is for expanded receive 140-150 (normally it
>just wraps the thumbwheel data over at 146 (148)). This also
>opens it up for transmit as well however, so you will have to 
>watch the PTT when listening out of band. This can be fixed by the
>addition of a 10K resistor near the same chip, (sorry if it's 
>rather vague, I haven't got the schematics with me !).
>

Whoops! These are the mods for the 2E, not the 2SE. 
Sorry for any confusion (... what thumbwheel ???).

The 2SE requires the removal of diodes D5 and D6 from the
logic A unit and the insertion of D4 (you can use one of the 
removed diodes).


-- 
- - - - - - -
Niall Parker				niallp@ee.ubc.ca
UBC Electrical Engineering	    or	VE7HEX@VE7UBC.#VANC.BC.CAN.NOAM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Cq Rtty experts...
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1993Jan9.085756.1@ualr.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:50:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.085756.1@ualr.edu> mauldin@ualr.edu writes:

   > Does anybody know of anything simpler?  I looked at HAMCOM, but gee it does
   > its own modem and a lot of other stuff that I don't want.  All I want is
   > a very simple ASCII-to-Baudot translation program; and I started to write
   > one myself but then it occurred to me that maybe somebody else has
   > already done it.  Just something that will turn a PC into a Baudot glass
   > Teletype.

       You ought to do it in your existing program.  It probably wouldn't
   add more than five lines of code.

       Making a Baudot-to-ASCII translation is the sort of task given
   to beginning programming students.  I suspect that in this case as
   well, the solution is being left as an exercise.  Hint: use the
   integer value of the Baudot code as an index into an array of ASCII
   characters, or vice- versa.  It is up to you to determine the
   proper order of the elements of this array.

Um, don't you also need to reprogram the PC's uarts to read the
5-bit characters, if this is even possible?  If not, you might
be able to hack up something where you read the rtty levels through
the status bits of the parallel port.  You'd have to do your own 
UART in software, with precise timing loops etc. but this is
a well known technique.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese)
Subject: Re: Re: 430MHz band under threat!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:50:44 GMT

In article <14570574@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes:
>In rec.radio.amateur.misc, jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese) writes:
>
>>'scuse me...but have you ever had to PAY for the equipment involved in putting
>>up a repeater?  I didn't think so...  If you had, you wouldn't think $15
>>per month was such a rip-off.
>
>Let's see, $15/month is $180/year per user.  Even if you only had 10 users,
>you be getting $1800/year.  At that rate, you could buy a decent repeater 
>out of one year's receipts.  Unless you are paying really exorbitant site 
>rental fees, there's no way it should cost $15/month per user.

The group I belong to is part of a large inter-city linked radio system.
The Houston group supports six sites.  That's six repeaters and thirteen
full-duplex link radios.  This includes all antennas, radios, duplexors, 
power, insurance, etc.  Our budget easily exceeds $1500 per year.

Our group dues are $120 per year.  As of last year, there was a $90 surplus
in the bank account.  I'm not getting rich on this, folks...just paying the
bills.

Radio systems like this one take maintenance.  In the corrosive chemical air
here in Houston, antennas must be replaced every three to five years, 
depending on location.  I only use commercial antennas on my systems, so 
it's not unusual to spend $500 plus on a repeater antenna.  Liability
insurance is 300-400 bucks a year, power bills run 100-150 per site, 
plus we want to have capital available for expansion of the system.

Not all radios are simple kerchunk boxes.  Some are much more elaborate, and
are much more expensive to maintain.


-- 
     Jim Reese, WD5IYT            | "Real Texans never refer to trouble
  jreese@sugar.neosoft.com        |  as deep doo-doo"  --Molly Ivins
From: tstader@aol.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: (none)
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:42:30 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

From root Mon Jan 11 15:42:16 1993
From: tstader@aol.com
X-Mailer: America Online Mailer
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Subject: RE:newsletters
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:42:16 EST

Jeff and others....

> Ham club newsletter editors:
> I publish the monthly newsletter for Orange County Radio 
> Amateurs (OCRA) here in central NC and would like to exchange 
> newsletters with other clubs around the U.S., the idea being to 
> swap ideas and possibly even material. I would be happy to send 
> a copy of our newsletter to anyone who sends me a copy of 
> thiers to the following address.
>
> ARS KD4JIA
> Jeff Anderson
> 2258 Sandy Lane
> Mebane, NC 27302
> 
> Thanks! 

Being as most of us have e-mail addresses... if you are interested I'd be
glad to send you our "electronic edition" of the PARTicles newsletter. The
toughest thing we have is paying for the postage of all of our "freebie"
newsletters! I'd much rather send it to you electronically.... lots cheaper.
Granted you cannot cut out my graphics and use them... but the text is
importable!

What do you say?

<Jeff, would have replied to you directly... but cannot translate your
internet address!>

73 for now.... c u on the shortwaves
Terry Stader - KA8SCP
America Online Ham Radio Club Host
Internet: tstader@aol.com (files <28K)  or
          tstader@attmail.com ( files >28K)
KA8SCP@WA1PHY.#EMA.MA.USA.NOAM
ka8scp@ka8scp.ampr.org [44.56.4.82] Mac
ka8scp-1@ka8scp-1.ampr.org [44.56.4.120] DOS Clone
(they're BOTH pc's!)
From: FLEM%athena@leia.polaroid.COM (SKIP FLEM, NT1G, 14X17 NEWTON-1M 617-630-4482)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Periphex  :-(
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

>Needless to say, I will never purchase another (Periphex HT battery) and
recommend the same to you.
  My experiance with Periphex was just as disappointing as yours. We needed
~5W @ 450MHz to torment a computer. (We usually rent RF power amp if we
need one) I volunteered to use my ICW-2A in the 'screen room' (on over-time 
only) if they got me a 'big battery' for my HT. They said yes so I ordered
one through our purchasing department. I arrived on a Wednesday and worked
for abt 5 minutes before crapping out. I put it on the charger overnight
and I worked for abt 2 minutes. Cursing anyone who may of turned off my
bench at night, I put it back on the charger.  Friday AM, dead battery.
The pack soaked current from the slide terminals but not through the 
charging port. (1/8" phone)
  I popped the battery case open to find a bad solder joint between the phone
jack and an isolation diode. That was easy to fix. New diode, wire, solder
and heatshrink tubing. Life is great, a workmanship error. I mailed the diode 
off to the prez of Periphex and finished my testing.(after a hard, fast charge)
    A week later I got a letter from the biggest A.H. I've ever dealt with,
Bob Paiser. He wrote that Periphex never used clear heatshrink and
had suggested the 'handler' that purchasing uses (for under $100 orders)
had modified the battery pack. I called him back (my dime, 45 minutes, $9)
and explained that the package only had one layer of tape and I doubted that 
anyone had any knowledge of it's contents. He also made several disparaging 
comments that "All hams are just tinkerers" and if the battery was really bad 
why did't I just mail it back for a replacement. I explained that the under-
standing I had just attained was well worth the cost, and then talked to some 
manufactuering person who didn't impress me, either (He was pleasant,though.)
I'll buy another battery from ICOM before spending another cent from
Pheriphex. Friend won't let friends subject themselves to Pheriphex.
73 de Skip, NT1G
THESE ARE MY EXPERIANCES-On both POLAROID CORP and my personal time.
                            LNF III       
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: greg@core.rose.hp.com (Greg Dolkas)
Subject: Re: Need a 3rd hand for Soldering!?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:39:00 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

This is great!  Each response to your request has a higher-tech solution than
the previous one.

How about a low-tech answer...  I've always just grabbed a bit of tape and
attached the thing to the workbench.

Greg  KD6KGW
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Need recommendations for packet modems
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:41:12 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1993Jan11.154518.12398@shearson.com> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:
>
>I want to get a packet TNC and I can't decide which model is best for me.
>The recommendations I've gotten thus far run from the Tigertronics/Baycomm
>setup to the KAM All-Mode unit, which is quite expensive for my current
>tasts.

My advice to you is to either buy the cheapest packet-only TNC you can
find, unless you really want to get into RTTY or HF packet.

When you do get some money to spend (say $500-$700), grab a DSP modem.
I've been using the AEA-1232 DSP, and it's fun, though I'll admit that 
it's main use right now is for packet satellites because we haven't
hooked it up to HF yet.  But it's great for shooting off to 2400 baud
PBBS's!  I have had trouble finding _anyone_ to do a 4800 baud QSO
though in the DC area.  And, oh yeah, AEA products are really good
at decoding CW, somethin Kantronics doesn't seem to do as good
a job with for some reason...

And, oh yeah, get into TCP/IP once you understand basic packet stuff.

de N3HAU

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: paulf@umunhum.stanford.edu (Paul Flaherty)
Subject: Re: Anybody want to talk about Clover?
Organization: The Three Packeteers
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:54:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.101849.25363@walter.cray.com> jwl@ferrari.cray.com (Jim Lynch) writes:
>We need a "public domain" system to be distributed to multiple vendors, like
>TAPR has done.  That is probably the only way we will be able to have reasonable
>prices on advanced communications modes.  As long as the modes remain
>proprietary, they will be expensive.  Anyone care to form a committee to design
>such an advanced mode?

Frankly, $1000 for the HAL CLOVER board is a good deal.  The amount of DSP
hardware on the board is impressive to say the least.  The CLOVER software is,
however, untrivial.  Aside from all of the adaptive filters and modems, 
CLOVER makes extensive use of fast spectral Reed - Solomon coding systems,
which are not much fun to write, I'm afraid.  Even when HAL does formally
release a protocol spec, don't count on cheap knockoffs anytime soon.

--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | "My boy, we are pilgrims in an unholy land."
->paulf@Stanford.EDU   |                                -- Dr. Henry Jones Sr.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: dmturne@ptsfa.PacBell.COM (Dave Turner)
Subject: Re: Aluminum tubes in Bay Area.
Reply-To: dmturne@PacBell.COM (Dave Turner)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:25:37 GMT
Keywords: Aluminum, Antennas

In article <76156@apple.apple.COM> kchen@Apple.COM (Kok Chen) writes:
>nat@kpc.com (Natarajan Gurumoorthy) writes:
>
>> Could someone suggest some other
>> source for the tubing in the Bay area.
>
>Try Allen Steel (yeah, yeah, I know it says steel, but they have aluminium,
>copper, brass, and other stuff too) just off US 101 around Belmont/San Carlos
>

While you're in the area, also try:

	J&H Outlet Store
	476 Industrial Way
	San Carlos, CA
	(415) 591-7113

	take the Holly exit off US 101; go west one block to Industrial.
	J&H is on the northwest corner of Holly and Industrial.
	There is an old radar antenna on the roof.

They specialize in non-ferrous metals but also have various surplus
electronics parts.

-- 
Dave Turner	(510) 823-2001	{att,bellcore,sun,ames,decwrl}!pacbell!dmturne
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc