HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rnz@VENUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: When Was Your First Time?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:56:40 GMT
Reply-To: rnz@VENUS

In article <jg_nx1g.bavafa@netcom.com>, bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>And here comes the classic question I have always wanted to ask the netters
>at sci.  When was the first time you subscribed to soc.culture.iranian
>newsgroup, and how did you learn about it?  Ok, that was two questions. :-)
>
>Anyone with a good story re this just to start a tread that _everyone_ could
>participate?  I hope even the silent majority will respond to this question.
>
>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 324-1055
>
>
>PS. Oh, yes, my first time was around October or November of last year (90).
>I picked it up by pure luck when I was randomly browsing through thousands of 
>newsgroups.



It is only a few weeks since I discovered this newsgroup and it was not by
accident. I actually went out there looking for it. I did this by looking at
the headings with the word "Iran..." in it. I would have probably started one
had I not found this.

But anybody who did the job of starting this newsgroup has my regards.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Reply-To: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:57:01 GMT


bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)i writes:

> In article <sehari.714202945@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>>
>>You should review your history, before jumping in.  Iran was before and
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> You shouls stop all these history crap postings. Day in- day out, same
> stupid remarks about the "proud Iranian history" and their achievements.
> And the same backward people, commenting about this, already beaten to
> death, subjet.
>
> Why don't you all get a life!
>
> Behzad
>

  In arabic the poet(who?) said:
  
  "laa taqul aslee wafaslee   innamaa aslul fataa ma qad fa`al"
  
  means: don't say my ancestors and origins, the indentity of the 
  person is in what he/she is doing.
  
  Anwar Saleh
From: F.Farzin-nia@lut.ac.uk (F Farzin_nia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: mtaghavi, revisited ...!
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:55:32 GMT
Reply-To: F.Farzin-nia@lut.ac.uk (F Farzin_nia)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


Amir Jan,

salAm. Looks like you still have problems with receiving mail. I'll try to
contact you over the weekend, if I'm around, else mail you on monday. In
any case, have a nice weekend.

GhorbAnat,
-Farzin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: RE: Baghdad is... (Tisfon)
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:39:48 GMT


Now that everybody has spoken on this topic, Why shouldn't I?

As I remember, Tisfon the old Iranian capital city of the Sasanyd
(Sasanian) dynasty  Is some miles outside of Baghdad. At the time 
of its fall by the Omar army, there was a little Iranian village
near Tisfon with the name Baghdad. 
The remnants of Tisfon palace shows the archtectural wonder of the 
time. I read in an Art history  book that the arch on the Palace
with its great span was unmatched at the time and one of the first
of its kind.

                                       Kambiz
From: rooholam@point.cs.uwm.edu (Mo Rooholamini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Maofi (addition)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:04:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee

In article <1992Aug19.170716.3715@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>rooholam@point.cs.uwm.edu (Mo Rooholamini) writes:
>>
>>In reference to recent postings about Moafi, in fact the fee ranging
>>from  US $2,400-$16,000 (or  equivalent Rial based on $1=140 Toman),
>>where more educated pays more, is correct.  BUT,  that is for people 
>>who were and currently are in Iran and didn't serve in the military.
>>For people overseas, who  want to go back now, still the same fee as 
>>before is charged [what ever it was.   I guess ~$5000 for 3-year and 
>>~$16000 for permanent moafi, regardless of education]. 
>
>This sounds a bit fishy.
>
>If the fee for a permanent moAfi for those who live outside Iran is
>$16,000, what is going to stop them from travelling to Iran first and
>then obtaining their moAfi for much cheaper?
>
>I am not claiming that the information that you have provided above is
>incorrect. It may be incomplete though, or perhaps I am reading too
>much into it.
>
>    --mack

I just quoted the news I heard  from Iran on 8/14/92.  I don't know 
how they are going to enforce these.   But I don't think you save 
money by going back to Iran and then buy your moafi.  First of all, if 
you are educated you can't hide your degree.  You will have problem
working later on(unless you don't want to work and want the moafi for
being able to visit Iran anytime you want).   Second, it's easy for 
them to check whether you have been inside or outside the country, 
since the time you were mashmool.

My words are not in support of or against these, inside/outside 
country, moafi rules.  I just thought if they want to apply these
rules witout anyone being able to get by paying less money they 
can.  These regulations can change any time though, since they have
been changed few times over the past few years.

 Mo
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Conscription/Cambridge History of Iran
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:36:20 GMT
	<1992Aug12.132834.10476@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug12.132834.10476@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:

 @In article <qvj.cv5o7@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
 @>In article <26413@life.ai.mit.edu> reza@ai.mit.edu (Reza Shadmehr) writes:
 @>
 @> @For those of you interested in reading more about the changes
 @> @that have taken place in Iran in this century---from the loose collection
 @> @of tribes which formed a people under virtual rule by Russians in the north
 @> @and the British in the south, to a country that the American President
 @> @Johnson put on the list of "Developed Nations" in 1965, and
 @> @finally, the mass uprising that toppled the monarch, I highly
 @> @recommend the seventh volume of a seminal work called "The Cambridge
 @> @History of Iran".  This last volume (about a thousand pages) was 
 @> @published a few months ago, and it gives an eye opening, scholarly 
 @> @account of this incredible journey.  For me, the most important
 @> @pages are those which describe Iran before the rise of the Pahlavi
 @> @autocracy.  I find so many of the currents in today's Iran rooted
 @> @in the beliefs and practices of what was Iran before the Pahlavis.
 @> @
 @> @Having left Iran when I was only 14, the year before the revolution, 
 @> @my education at Alborz told me nothing of the deeply religous people
 @> @that we are, and the dissatisfaction that would lead to the forced
 @> @abdication of the most powerful Shah in half of a millenia.  This
 @> @book should be useful for those who feel a need to educate themselves
 @> @on the role of global powers in shaping 20th century Iran, the roots
 @> @of today's xenophobia, and possibly, our future in the face of finite
 @> @natural resources and diminished strategic importance.
 @>
 @>I recommend also reading books written about the same topic in Farsi
 @ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 @>by Iranian authors just so that you know you have explored this
 @ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 @>important topic from different angles.
 @>  
 @> - Farzin
 @
 @Farzin, I think our ignorant, beesavaad sci ahaalee are waiting
 @impatiently for your version of our history to come out, so we
 @can get a clear picture of our history based on an unbiased
 @Iranian view.
 @
 @Behzad

a. As for "ignorant, beesavaad ahaalee", I think you should speak
   for yourself.
b. I am NOT going to write a history book, so they should not wait!
  
 - Farzin
      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: Azad University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:19:16 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park


>>In article <BszB4p.4tL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir) writes...
>>>>Then class becomes like a dukkaan-baghghaali. You pay money for a service.
>>>>and the instructor becomes more like a dureh-gard going from one city
>>>>and school to another to repeat the same thing.
>>>
>>>Hi Ala,
>>>
>>>As I remember, people who go to Azad university don't get an official
>>>degree. Would you know if that is still the case?
>>>
>
>Well, in fact someone asked this question.  Contrary to the initial
>objectives of Azad university which was supposed to be degree free
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>IAU now offers official degrees.  The degrees are now accepted for


As I mentioned in an article some time ago, the creation of the Azad
University was based on a borrowed idea from the U.K. Over there the
Open University (not Free University as translated in some articles),
broadcasts classes on BBC 2 (or did back in the 70's/80's). Its
purpose, to educate and aid those who cared to tune in. 

Do any of you SCIers living in the U.K know if the Open University is
still broadcasting?


Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: A public apology to seyyed
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:23:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.084131.23131@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no  writes:
 
>     An apology to Seyyed necessiated by his Tablighate SooE
>
>Aghaye Seyyed khan Hala Ma Goozidim shoma az laye sebile bozorgvaretan 
>yavashyeki der konid. 

daf'eye digar ... khod rA mohkam zire zabAn negah dArid va nagozArid harfe
zesht az dahAne mobArak khArej shavad, zirA ke mA loghmAn nistim ke inchonin
adab biyAmouzim.

>                      When I said unmatched it was a TaAne to the one who
>was so picky on me and thought he is unmatched himself. But he has not
>grasped the sarcasm as usual and continues to be picky. If I was so 
>unclear that time, my due apologies to all who thought I could really
>mean such a horrible thing (I really have not eaten Maghze khar to
>mean such a thing seriuosly). Savade farsi ma ham be Elate zendegi der
>farangestan (khareje) nam keshide ast, no denying that. 

Your apology is accepted, be sharte Anke digar chizi nakhori ke dar galouyat
gir konad.

>                                                        Next time try
>to get the point Seyyed and do not bother to count the commas, since 
>many of them are really misplaced.
>
>                                        Kambiz

Next time, use "logic" in your articles not "she're no", or I'll be counting
your commas.

Seyyed.
From: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: BBC Unveils CIA Monetory Support for Iranian Opposition
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:58:02 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:


>>One again, the US gov. has unwillingly and substantially
>>helped the Iranian gov. By placing these "opposition"
>>groups on their payroll, they have effectively destroyed
>>any credibility they may have had. It's a strange world!
>>                             

>It will be even stranger when one day list of IRI officials
>who are on CIA payroll comes out.  Already there has been
>documents that CIA has been trying very hard to reach the
>akhonds in Iran in different ways (for example some of the
>U.S. documents siezed in the U.S. embassy in Tehran indicate
>that CIA provided funds for some relatively high ranking
>rouhaanis in Iran to help them move up the rank so that one
>day they can serve the service).

One should note that the source of recent revelations about CIA
connection to Iranian opposition may be CIA itself. This may
have to do with US warming towards IRI. There are several signs which
point to this. The most important is the recent collaboration between Iran
and US (and Saudi Arabia + Kuwait) to secure the southern Iraq's
air apace in order to protect the shiite population there. In other
reports, US has been exporting rice and other grain to Iran thus
resuming trade relations. Also the settlement with the US oil
companies is another indication of this warming.

--jamshid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hojjat@bmers246.uucp (Hojjat Salemi)
Subject: Re: stanford.edu
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:35:04 GMT

Here is the way I tried it and it works fine:

ftp Tehran.Stanford.edu

login as: anonymous
password: Use your id (i.e. KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu)

then if you do a "ls -l"

this is what you should see:

drwxrwxr-x 10 4408         1024 Aug 12 12:29 FAQ
drwxr-xr-x  5 root          512 Aug  7 11:40 Iran_Lib
-r--rw-r--  2 ftp          1042 Apr 15  1991 README_NOOR
dr-xrwxr-x  2 ftp           512 Apr  7 12:31 bin
dr-xr-xr-x  2 ftp           512 Aug 10 13:18 etc
drwxr-xr-x  2 root          512 Jul 13 11:26 incomming
dr-xrwxr-x  2 ftp          1024 Apr 24 10:01 noor
dr-xrwxr-x  2 ftp           512 Jun 23 15:48 pub

Regards .... Hojjat 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: News of Iran
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:44:31 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:


>                             
>News briefs from Kayhaan Havaii # 993:
>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>  Starting in Mehr (next
>  month), Peykaan model 1600 will be sold at one million toman
>  which will reduce the price by 40% (so the cost is around 1.6
>  million toman now). 80 industrial units are now working with
>  Iran-khodro to build parts of Paykaan. Presently, 90% of Paykaan's
>  parts are made in Iran.
>                             
> - Farzin Mokhtarian
>   farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp

Sometime ago Farzin suggested that because of the high price of
Peykan, those returning to Iran should avoid going to Teheran and 
try to go to provinces. His solution for high automobile prices
was to substitute "KHAR" or donkey for car as used to be the case in Iran. 
This reminds me of the recent article by Kambiz on "Hezbe Kharan".

Well it seems Peykan is getting cheaper and cheaper, and we need not
take his advice on riding "KHAR".

--jamshid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: photo bank of SCI people
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:10:26 GMT
Organization: none



There has been talk of SCI people placing their photos in digital form
at some location. If anyone badly wants to see what I look like, take
a look at IEEE Transactions on Pattern Analysis and Machine Intelligence
(PAMI). The August 1992 issue has a recent photo and the January 1986
issue has an old photo. Not trying to show off ofcourse :-) 
               
 - Farzin
              
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:26:36 GMT

sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:

>Further more, I believe Iran was the first "United States of Middle East",
>or as a mater of fact it was the first "United States" of any kind in the
>history of the world.  Isn't it Ironic that Americans, took this Iranian
>idea and reintroduce it to the world without any mention of our name? 

  Well, not to be picky or anything, but the Persian Empire was an 
Empire- separate states conquered and drawn together, just like the
Roman and Greek empires before them, and the European ones after.
Calling an empire a "United States" is totally missing the meaning
of the term- individual states united by choice, not war (I'm ignoring
the American Civil War).
  And to be picker, the United States isn't founded so much on the idea
of "a group of states" as it is on the _ideals_ that bind those states
together.
  Many would argue that grouping together peoples that have common origins
is a trait of human nature that goes back to the plains of Africa.

>Aren't they plagiarising?! This is not the only instance that they done so.
>Another example is the charge card, those of you remember that in olden days
>all the grocery stores had a book, that customer used to buy things and the
>grocer used to write it in his book and by the end of the month, when most
>people got paid, they used to go to grocer and pay him the charges. -:)
>Isn't our Bazaar, has been copied under the name "Shopping mall"? -:)

  I see the smileys, but I think the marketplace has been common to
human cultures for a lot longer than either Iran or Europe have been around.

>Is not the duality that western people use to judge things come from old
>Iranian religion of Zartoshtians, " Ahora Mazda, and Ahriman".  The use of
>candle for religious purposes also have the same origin. I can go on and
>on....

  I take slight offense at your claim that all westerners judge in a two-faced
manner.  Some, perhaps many, do.  But many also do not; many treat other
people with respect, dignity, and equality.  
  In any event, I look at these similarities between western and mideastern
culture as a result of the interaction of the cultures which has been
going on for several thousand years, rather than west stealing from east.
And, if we have to be picky, the Chinese were around a long time before
Iran (about 1500 years, in fact), so didn't Iran thus plagiarise ideas
from the Chinese? :-)

-- 
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From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: True Iranians
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:29:58 GMT
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

After Ala accused me of not being a true Iranian, I went through one of
my harshest life crisis. I looked myself in a mirror to check it out and
it didn't help much I confess. This person could have come from anywhere
but Mars, I told myself.
And then I thought, haven't we folklore dance and music in our traditions, 
haven't we ChaharShanbeSori. If they arrest people for ChaharShanbeSori 
ceremonies,or for dancing folk dance or playing Kamanche, it is because they 
are Iranians and the arrestees are  not. Was only Sheikh Fazlollah Noori 
Iranian or was Satar Khan also Iranian. Was only Ayotollah Kashani Iranian
or was Mosadegh also Iranian. Wasn't Dehkhda,Nima,Nasim and Mirza Jahangir
khan shirazi Iranian or they were just some "Gharb Zade" only Jalal was 
Iranian. Is Shamloo Iranian since he is influenced by Lurka and Borges. Nima
should be the worst of all, he could not be Iranian, With his SheEr New (No).
Only Ala is Iranian and MalokolshoAraye Bahar. Was it allowed by JamalZadeh
to start writing novelsby western style , a western crime! We should burn 
his books. We should
burn his books and Sadegh Hedayat's books. Sadegh was influenced by Kafka and
Albert Camo and worse than this he took his life in France perhaps for a 
Parisian love affair! All have been "Fesgh o Fojoor". Even Khayam was not 
Iranian. He drunk so much wine that he forgot his nationality. He for sure
learned this SharabKharegi from  western decadents. Yes only Ala is a true 
Iranian and he has made me very confused.

                                             Kambiz
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: iran third ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:44:27 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug12.130457.3802@cicb.fr> moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB) writes:


 @i don't know why i am in this newsgroup but i have seen
 @something wrong :
 @==========================================
 @    Country        Gld Slv Bro   Tot. pts
 @------------------------------------------
 @ 1. Unified Team    3   2   2       77
 @ 2. United States   3   2   1       75
 @ 3. Iran            0   1   2       51
 @ 4. Turkey          0   1   1       48
 @ 5. South Korea     1   1   0       44
 @ 6. Bulgaria        0   1   1       34
 @  . Germany         0   1   0       34
 @ 8. North Korea     2   0   1       28
 @ 9. Cuba            1   0   1       27
 @    Canada          0   1   0       27
 @11. Poland          0   0   0       16
 @12. Mongolia        0   0   0       15
 @13. Japan           0   0   1       13
 @    Romania         0   0   0       13
 @==========================================
 @
 @
 @As a matter of fact a country which win one gold medal is better than
 @another win 25 silver medals and 145 bronze medals !
 @
 @the ranking is 
 @
 @1. Unified Team    3   2   2       77
 @2. United States   3   2   1       75
 @8. North Korea     2   0   1       28
 @5. South Korea     1   1   0       44
 @9. Cuba            1   0   1       27
 @3. Iran            0   1   2       51
 @ 
 @and so on ....  

Your ranking system does not make sense. Why is one gold medal "better than"
25 silver medals or 145 bronze medals?! Why do they attach points to
a person's ranking then?
    
 - Farzin
    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnazi)
Subject: Re: Republican Convention
Summary: Reply
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:15:13 GMT

Agha,

I do agree that religion and faith are important in a person's life.
However, I believe that the government has no business determining what my 
religious duty is or is not.  I did watch the Republican Convention and was
offended by Mr. Buchanan's speech.  I feel that, if given power, this man
could be a danger to the American people.
Regards,

M. Namazi
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iran warns Iraq of international military action
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:45:37 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug18.155231.25181@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:

 @	  ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iran warned Iraq Tuesday that its recent
 @attacks on Shi'ites in the south and its renewed territorial claims on
 @Kuwait invited foreign military intervention, and the warning signs from
 @the international community should be taken seriously.

 @	  Iran became the major regional power in the Gulf after the British
 @pulled out in the early 1970s, but its 1980-88 war with Iraq sapped the
 @country's strength considerably.

1988 was 4 years ago! Iran's has regained some of its strength during
the last 4 years! I guess UPI just missed that part!
   
 - farzin
         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:17:48 GMT

---
I wish more people would contribute to the news group. Not only KH, but
also other newspapers and magazines.  For example, if some could write
a brief summary of the articles in "Daneshmand", or Mr. Arabshahi's
summaries of Radio Iran.

Also, I wish people do more free lance journalism themselves.  For example,
the state of Iranians, their restaurants, cultural activities, business
activities, academic achievements, and other aspects of their lives in various
regions of the world should have be covered.  

Any contribution in these areas enriches this news group, and loss of 
coverage in any of these areas, is a great loss to this news group.

                      With highest regards,
                           Babak   Sehari.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian