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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: A Simple Request
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:35:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.175352.23994@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:
> When you review matches, please stop going out of you way to
> prove what a "smart" fan you are. The highest compliment you can
> pay to the wrestlers who sell their moves well is to write about
> them as if they were real. M

  I would think that the highest compliment would be to say that the
  wrestler sold the move well.  Watching Ric Flair sell a figure four,
  say, is more convincing than watching Hulk Hogan, say, sell the same
  move.  Watching practically any wrestler sell move X is more 
  convincing than watching either Steiner sell the same move.   

  Following your suggestion, I would write:

  "After working on Ric Flair's leg with several moves, Bret Hart
  slapped on the figure four and Flair screamed in agony as the
  seven pressure points of the hold threatened to break his leg."

  OR

  "Scott Steiner lay absolutely still after Hiro Hase delivered his
  Soviet judo suplex, the same move which usually has wrestlers 
  writhing in agony.  Hiro then dragged Scott Steiner to his feet."

  What I mean is:

  "After working on Ric Flair's leg with several moves, Bret Hart
  slapped on the figure four and Flair screamed in agony to sell the
  move, all the while waving his arms around to add to the effect."

  OR

  "Scott Steiner lay absolutely still after Hiro Hase delivered his
  Soviet judo suplex becuase he really doesn't know how to sell anything
  that gets applied.  Other wrestlers at least writhe around a bit to
  help get the move over.  Scott just lay there until Hiro dragged him
  to his feet."

  I guess I just don't see the point of people changing their writing 
  styles or the way they look at the sport just to show "respect,"
  at least as you've defined it.  I think that the first set of 
  descriptions above doesn't properly show the difference in abilities
  that Ric Flair and Scott Steiner have.  The second set does.  The
  second set also gives the appropriate amount of respect, IMHO, to
  each of the wrestlers involved.   
  
  I think that people that take the time to post synopses of whatever
  (TV, live show, etc.) should just write the post in whatever mode
  requires the least effort on their part.  If people are making an
  effort to be "smart" then they are wasting their time.  And if 
  people make an effort to be marks then they will waste their
  time.  People should just be themselves.   

  I guess this request reminds me a bit of Steve Hooper's post some
  time last week, wherein he suggested that all posts should be
  markishly written.  Every post should be written however the person
  writing it wants to write it. 

                                                           Herb...
From: gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky)
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Subject: Cactus Jack rips Watts on radio show
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:09:01 GMT
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Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I don't know if anyone posted this, but Cactus Jack ripped the abilities
of Erik Watts on last weeks Jim Ross radio show.  When a caller asked
him to name the overrated wrestlers in WCW, Cactus said no one, except
for Erik Watts.  He said that Watts should be 3 years from being in the
ring, and Watts was wrestling only because "he has a special set of
bloodlines".  He also ripped apart Cowpie's comments concerning WCW's
insurance policies and refusal to pay wrestlers when they are hurt.
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From: carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton)
Subject: Re: Smoky Mountain Wrestling(OLD Wrestlters)
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:21:53 GMT

dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster) writes:


>Smoky Mountain Wrestling is great but it is worth clearing up a couple of 
>misconceptions. If you really don't like seeing OLDER wrestlers, SMW is NOT for
>you. Most of their wrestlers have been around for years and years. This is NOT 
>an indy where you send people like Erik Watts to mature. They would have no use
>for him. Jim Cornette has picked up people like Stan Lane, Tom Prichard, Ricky 
>Morton, Robert Gibson, Paul Orndorff, Ron Garvin, Kevin Sullivan etc. These are
>not spring chickens. They are vetrans who know how to put on a good show.

>                                            David Kempster

You forgot to mention the oldest of all, Mongolian Stompaer(Archie Gould)
who Meltzer reported to be 57 years old.  I wonder how well he can work?

Mark
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From: wolvie@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (christopher motherway)
Subject: Re: Question Re: Heenan
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:46:18 GMT

pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:

> If Heenan is going to introduce a new wrestler, Narcissus, and
> since Heenan supposedly won't be working the show that replaces
> Prime Time....does this mean Heenan is returning to the ranks
> of manager, and will no longer be a broadcast journalist???

GOD, I hope not!!!!!

Chris Wolvie.
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: WCW Wrestling Comix
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:24:56 GMT

Since Mike P. brought up wrestling in comics, I was wondering if
there's anyone else out there who regularly picks up Marvel's
WCW Wrestling title.  I believe the most recent issue is #11...I'm
at work so I can't check.

The continuity of the comic WCW is different than that of the TV
shows, mainly because these things are on the drawing board so far
in advance (not to mention that WCW seemingly draws up angles on the
spur of the moment, so how could Marvel keep up?).  In some way, it
actually resembles FWF more.

I'll begin transcribing these books here on rspw when I get them
(monthly or so).

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================

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I realize it's a bunch of the non-marks rooting for the 
glorified jobber team of Tex Slashinger and Shanghai Pierce
just for fun, but why did they single out Tex (sure confused
Rude a few weeks ago, and they had a huge "TEX" sign for this
past Saturday's show)?  There aren't any rspw-ers involved
in this, are there?

		--Otto "The Nature Hack" Heuer

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From: wayne@bragg.bio.purdue.edu (Wayne Twitchell)
Subject: uw follow up
Reply-To: wayne@bragg.bio.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University, Dept. of Biological Sciences
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:47:23 GMT

So why did UW(tm) get the boot from wwf?
tm=trademark  Isuggest that we all begin using it to indicate that the
personalities we watch are corporate fabrications and not much different
than soap as far as marketing and $$$ are concerned.
cynically 
wayne
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Net(E)xperts
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:06:06 GMT

In <1993Jan5.180118.24468@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster) writes:


> Is it possible that the crowd noise was dubbed? I had heard that there was 
>little reaction to the Steiners at the T.V. taping.

You can dub crown noise, but you can't dub entire sections of fans
standing up and cheering the Steiner's *in the same camera shot* that
also includes the Steiner's acknowledging said cheers.

My first reaction was the same as the other poster: wow, I can't
believe the reception they are getting from the crowd. It looked like
a crowd that really knew the Steiner's because they all started
barking as soon as Rick got in the ring.

Michael
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From: cegarcia@athena.mit.edu (Carlos E Garcia)
Subject: Pro-W. Seminar in Boston
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:37:44 GMT

There will be a pro-wrestling seminar at the M.I.T. Athletic center next Tuesday(1/12)
at 1:00.  The big speech on the history of wrestling happened today.  Next Tuesday
Stephen Driscoll will hold the "lab" segment of the program.  Show up and learn to do
your favorite moves right.  Bring any technical or historical questions about the
"sport".  A pro-wrestling debut in an arena in front of a paying crowd can and has
been initiated at these sessions.  I know because I've done it.  email me directly for
details on the location.

			"Atom Smasher" Carlos Garcia
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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:39:17 GMT

jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:

>Jumping Bomb Angels (?) or were they later??  Whatever team I'm thinking of, I
>enjoyed seeing them perform.

Right. That's the team I was talking about.
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From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Monday Night Raw -- A Short Review
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:35:09 GMT

In article <C0r3Iz.7D7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:
>In article <1ius05INN9mr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij) writes:
>
>>Did anybody watch this last night?  What happened?
>>Will someone post the matchs and stuff?
>
>Yokozuna squashed Koko B. Ware.  The crowd was into it, which was about
>the only good part of the match.  The announcing was horrible.  That
>DJ that others have complained about was Heenan's replacement, and
>even the most heel-hating mark probably would glady take Heenan back.
>New announcer rating: 0/10
>The matches were pretty bad, and the
>announcing was just terrible -- let's just say it's pretty pathetic
>when Vince is the best announcer on the team.  The DJ should be fired.
>He's not funny.  They did a routine where he did an impression of Mike
>Tyson.  Ha ha.  It was poorly done.  It was not very topical.  It was
>not funny.  And why did they have to make a big point of sympathizing
>with a convicted rapist (McMahon: "You got a RAWWWW deal!")?  That
>little routine about sums up the level of the announcing in particular
>and the show in general.
>
>I don't understand how people can say "the WWF may not have the best
>wrestling, but it IS **great** entertainment."  Oh, is it?

The "DJ" is Rob Bartlett.  I believe he does "comedy" on the Don Imus radio
program on WFAN-AM in NYC (this is the only non-sports program on that all-
sports station).  Since Imus' show may not even be in the top ten in the
ratings, Barlett sounds perfect for Vince & the WWF :-)
From: wolvie@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (christopher motherway)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Hart etc.,
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:26:25 GMT

hatley@granite.pa.dec.com (Alan Hatley) writes:

> in the january issue of memphis magazine, there is an article about
> memphis in the 60's.  one of the rock groups started in memphis, were
> "the gentrys"  jimmy hart is listed as a member.  is this the same
> jimmy hart of the wwf?
> 
> Alan-

Yep.  Same guy.  Kinda makes you wish he stayed that way, right?  He 
DOES, believe it or not, have a good singing voice (did "Eat Your Heart 
Out, Rick Springfield" for 'The Wrestling Album' and "Crank It Up" for 
'Piledriver').  It's his TALKING voice I can't take!!!

Chris Wolvie
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: realism?
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1iglcnINN6l@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:23:48 GMT

In article <1iglcnINN6l@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> foleye@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man) writes:

   In article <1993Jan6.230337.402@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will) writes:
   >>In article <1993Jan07.025847.22580@rose.com> marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom) writes:
   >>>
   >>> This is one area where the WCW veers off path. One example would be 
   >>>Ricky Steamboat vs Windham. There is no way one can give away fifty 
   >>>pounds and be victorious (perhaps "on the street") but not in a Ring 
   >>>(boxing included).
   >>
   >>It's actually not uncommon for people with big weight advantages to
   >>lose in either boxing or wrestling.  Just look at Chris Taylor -- he
   >>had more than a 150 lb advantage over most of his opponents and never
   >>won an Olympic or world title (bronze medallist in 1972 Olympics).
   >>
   >>Evander Holyfield had a 40 lb disadvantage to George Foreman and beat
   >>him easily.  And Steamboat and Windham would be in the same weight
   >>classification in boxing and in amateur wrestling, so it's really not
   >>ridiculous to have them in the same class in professional wrestling.
   >>

But your comparison to boxing is ridiculous.  Well, maybe not
ridiculous, but unwise.  A better comparison would be football.  The
reason is that both wrestling and football are whole-body contact
sports, whereas boxing usually isn't.  The weight advantage is much
more important in football.  Given two players of equal skill and
speed and strength, but unequal weight, watch for the heavier football
player to push the lighter player all over the field.

I would think that the same would hold in wrestling.

 >When you consider that all of these guys are strong enough to lift the larger
 >men (i.e. Windham) off the mat and throw them around with some ease, a weight
 >advantage doesn't matter a heckuva lot.  Wrestling a Pontiac isn't too hard
 >if you can lift the Pontiac off the ground and slam him on the mat just as
 >easily as he can to you.

But don't forget that they are helping each other in the lifting.
Could anyone ever have picked up Andre the Giant if he hadn't wanted
them to?


-Alan Harder
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 23:57:57 -0600
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
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Subject: [WCW] Windham vs Steamboat
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That was a pretty decent 20-minute match between Steamboat (who
didn't do too many armdrags or reverse knife edges) and Windham.

		--Otto "Hack-Man" Heuer
From: kipilman@cats.ucsc.edu (Lou Kipilman)
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Subject: Re: I Like to Hurt People
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:56:12 GMT
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In article <1idndaINN6me@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij) writes:
>
>A quick question about this "movie" that I just saw on videotape.
>The info on the case for the video has a 1985 copyright but
>it seems that the matches had to come from an earlier time
>(Dusty Rhodes actually appears to have a relatively normal
>body size, that is, relative to the fat pig he became when
>he entered the WFF).
>
>My question is:  When did the matches in the tape take place?
>
>Thanks in advance.

If I'm not mistaken, circa 1977.

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From: hollenbe@spot.wrc.xerox.com (scott hollenbeck 2505)
Subject: WWF Life Awaits Bills' "Pit Bull"
Organization: Xerox
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:49:14 GMT

The Washington (D.C.) Post has an interesting article in today's edition about
the Buffalo Bills' backup guard/center Mitch Frerotte.  It turns out his real
career goal is to become a WWF wrestler!

Some quotes from the article:

"And he still sees the National Football League as a stepping stone to his real
goal: the World Wrestling Federation.  He plans to call himself Pit Bull."

According to Frerotte (through the Post):

"Actually, my wrestling career is pretty much on the way now.  I have contacts
because of the promotional work I'm doing with the WWF.  Whenever I'm out of
football, I'll be going right into it."

My comments: I knew of Mitch when he played football at Penn State, my
undergraduate alma mater.  He has the size (6 feet 3 inches, 285 pounds)
and the flaky attitude to do it.  Unfortunately, the Post doesn't say
anything about heel/face leanings.

-Scott
"Trust Allah, but tie up your camel."
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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: Re: Suplex list
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:28:45 GMT

In article <3q45wB4w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
>joepet@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Joseph L Petrow) writes:
>> I won't even ask about a cage-to-floor superplex.

>Believe it or not, Joe, it's been done. And you won't believe that the one I 
>saw was from a cage match on SNME. Hulk Hogan superplexed Big Boss Man from 
>the top of the cage! I couldn't believe it myself, but both men were down 
>for a while. I don't know if that was a work or not.

Well, Hogan and BBM had that match on SNME, and they also worked almost
*exactly* the same match at Madison Square Garden, which is on a WWF
videotape.  In both matches, Hogan suplexes BBM off the cage, they hit
the mat, and they stay down for a long time.  While I'm sure it really
hurt, their staying down was definitely part of the plot (the ref got
all confused and didn't know what to do), and they did it twice, so it
was definitely a work.

I wonder if the WWF had extra padding put into the ring that day.

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From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
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Subject: Re: Observer 1/4 Ruins Simmons, Flair Surprises!!!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:08:31 GMT
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In a previous article, robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) says:

>However, and I'm surprised I didn't see this here on the net, there
>are some *serious* rumours (not just in the Observer, even though Meltzer
>mentions it, but among friends of mine in NY) that Ric Flair is all
>but released from the rest of his WWhiFf contract, relegated to mid-
>carding, and could be back in WCW by mid-year.  (Please, God, YESSSSSSSSSSS!)

That's funny...  I posted the rumor on Sunday.  I'm really starting to
wonder if my posts are getting out.

I did a report on Saturday's Wrestling Insiders radio show.  If you didn't
see it and want a copy, send me email.

-- 
===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: NARCISSUS!
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:05:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton) writes:

AW>Didn't Luger do all that Body-Building stuff with McMahon? If he did, it
  >would be hard(er) to put him over as "The Big Narc" if you could see his
  >face, now if he did wear a mask, it might be easier to sell.

Sure he did, but keep in mind that they changed Darsow from Demolition
Smash to Repo Man and the fans were too stupid to figure that out!
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Women's Wrestling
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:07:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

<JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> (who knows) writes:

<J>  I was just wondering why women's wrestling never made it in
  >the U.S. as opposed to Japan.  I personally haven't figured out
  >a reason, so I throw it out to rspw.  Any ideas?

I always thought it was because it was promoted here as a T & A show,
which drastically limits the potentional audience.
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From: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Arn Anderson's contract NOT renewed
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:12:23 GMT
Reply-To: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Originator: chrispy@doc.cc.utexas.edu

I just heard this from a fairly reliable source.  What's going
on here?

I didn't see the last WCW Saturday Night, but I am aware of the
Up Close with AA segment.  Could someone post a transcript of
the interview.

After hearing this from my source and reading the Torch, I don't
know what to believe anymore...


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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
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Subject: Re: This Group Should Be
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:21:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

cg@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.gavinelli) writes:

  >> Nah, the BIG idiots are the guys like Vince Russo who invested big money
  >> in John.


CH>This Russo/Arezzi mention brings up another point: It is a known
  >FACT that McMahan tried to buy off Vince Russo
  >and Arezzi during the time the WWF was getting heat. John did not give in to

The reason I called Russo an idiot, other than the fact that he was, is
because he invested $10,000 dollars in Arezzi and claimed to not even
know the direction that Arezzi wanted to take his show.  I talked with
Russo for about an hour a while back and he told me that he wanted to do
a light hearted show and that he did not know that Arezzi wanted to
treat the subject seriously.  Anyone who knows Arezzi knows that is how
he treats the biz.


CH>Jack Shit is the drummer for the band "Intense Mutilation".
  >I know Jack Shit, he was married in June and he lives in Brooklyn.

Thanks for clearing that up. <G>

CH>                                                Charlie
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