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From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: States Granting Nonresident CCWs?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:21:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: optilink.12690
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <1992Oct7.001535.114@netcom.com>, feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
# Several posters have indicated that some states grant CCW permits to
# nonresidents? Which states do this and how does one get these permits?
# I'd love to have a CCW permit from each of these states!
# -- 
# Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
#  
# [.sig on vacation]

Well, I'm just finishing an article on non-discretionary CCWs,
with lots of graphs showing what happened to murder rates after the
laws changed, so I THINK I know which states MUST issue to non-
residents if you pass their minimum requirements.

Washington State.  They have a maximum of 60 days to issue or
reject.  Pennsylvania, but you should have a permit from your
home state as well.  Idaho used to issue to nonresidents, but
no longer.

Florida won't issue to nonresidents, but they will issue to
foreigners who are consular security officials.

Oregon, in theory, recognizes the CCWs issued by other states
that have substantially similar requirements.  In practice,
they claim that no one else has substantially similar requirements.
(For sufficiently narrow definitions of "substantial," they are
correct).
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Sight picture and eyes
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:21:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: appserv.9210082023.AA16357
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.

In article <1992Oct7.234659.23440@ke4zv.uucp> ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:
#
#Welcome to middle age. :-(

Is that anything like "misery loves company"?

#You are becoming progressively far sighted as you age. 

Ha!  Don't I wish!

Ahem...pardon me.

That's a loose usage of the term "farsighted".  One is not likely to become
increasingly hyperopic so much as becoming a victim of reduced ability for
close accomodation.  (My myopia, visually, in any case, is not improving at
all.  I can still focus to a maximum distance of, oh, 20 inches or so, but
I can no longer focus as close as I used to.  Now it's about 6 inches minimum.)

Glasses help the (visual) myopia, but now I find that it's more comfortable to
take them off to read.  Darn.  (Then I forget where I put them and wander about
the house bumping into things until I either stumble over them or someone takes
pity on me.  There's a shortage of pity at my house, but lots of muffled snickering.)

#A young person can rapidly shift focus from near to far. 

"Youth is wasted on the young".

Don't forget that your pupils can't open as wide when you get older, either.

Astronomy gets harder, and you find that you're not the first one to notice
an animal in the weeds at dusk any more.  Good excu...reason for a bigger
telescope or that more expensive 'scope, though.  :}

Where's my rocking chair...

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From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .45 Win. Mag. pistols?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct7.175053.8171@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
#Hi Folks,
#
#Anyone know of any pistols chambered for the 45 Winchester Magnum?  Any
#semi autos?  Anyone have any experience with this round?  The figures look
#very similar to those of the .44 Magnum.  
#
#Just wondering if there are any decent toys chambered for this and whether or
#not they're worth considering.  Thanks in advance.
#
#	-Andy V.
#

Well, Grizzly makes the LAR in .45 Win Mag.  This looks pretty much like a
1911 with a much larger frame, and the ones I've seen have had a compensator
at the end.  They're beautiful guns, but quite large.  I saw someone at a 
local range last Saturday who was firing one, and the sight was quite
impressive (or scary, as the case may be).  From the other side of the range 
(10 lanes down), the muzzle flash was still incredible, as was the noise.
A little observation made it clear that recoil was not something to be taken
lightly, either...

-- 
DVC,
  Paul

Paul Yoshimune
pauly@netcom.com
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Browning BDM
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:39:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.

#: Browning BDM
#
#I have a Browning Hi-power and if the BDM is half the gun the Hi-power is, you
#could not go wrong. All that I have heard is that it is even better then the 
#Hi-power. I have had great luck with Browning products, a nicer finish you cannot
#find. (Think about a used Hi-power, you may be able to get a decent deal at a 
#show). I have had a single return to battery on this when I first got it but it
#has never re-occurred several thousand rounds later, I would have to say it was
#me probably limp-wristing it, otherwise no problems or jams.

I *have* a BDM (finally!!).  It only took three months' wait, plus the
oh-so-useful 15-day waiting period (so I could cool off).  Picked it up
Wednesday, took it home, read the manual, cleaned it (takedown is nice
and simple).

Thursday after work, I took it to the friendly local (well, it's on the
way home) indoor shooting range and put 50 rounds through it.

	:} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :}

It's not bad.  heh heh.

At 7 and 15 yards it shoots a bit left and low (as in 7 o'clock, about
3 inches from center).  Recoil seemed light (115gr standard velocity),
a lot like the Hi-Power I last shot.  But I like the BDM better.  It's
pretty, too.  :}

Finish is nice, nothing rattles, the slide cut out is large, and I don't
expect to worry about stovepipes, etc.  Controls fit right where your
(well, mine, anyway) fingers think they ought to be.  Grip is very nice.

If you follow the books recommendation (closing slide on reloading by
using the combination decock/safety/slide release lever), the pistol
is then in double-action mode, safety on. OK by me, it's consistent.
(After first shot, it's in single-action.  Fairly long takeup of slack,
then short, crisp, trigger pull.)  

In "revolver" mode, all shots are double-action.  Not too long or stiff,
partially cocked.  I like it.  Don't know yet which mode I'll likely
use most, being partial to single-action and shooting bullseye targets.

I think I need to do more research.  Fortunately, I'm going on vacation
as of this afternoon, and will be able to devote time to this important
pursuit.

Hope I can talk my daughter into testing different type of .22 on the
rifle now that I've got the new scope on it...but she'll probably want
to test the BDM.

We'll work something out.  :}
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From: gaucher%beryllium.cchem.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Which 9mm to buy
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:16:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

In article <3135@voodoo.UUCP> voodoo!tomm@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Tom Mackey) writes:
#
#Ahhh, the perfect lead in to my next question (I know, three in one day is
#stretching the patience of the good people assembled here).  Many months
#ago someone mentioned the Sig P225.  As a quick aside here, I really don't
#remember if I already posted this question.  My sincere apologies if I did
#so.  It's been a long day.  Anyway, I recall that the P225 is a single
#stack 9mm, which should make it easier to use as a CC weapon.  I checked
#with one of my favorite shops, the owner of which checked and found that
#he could get me one for $585, and that they were on some sort of closeout.
#If any of you Puget Sound readers have one of these, or know someone or
#some shop that has one, I'd like to examine one up close and personal.
#Any other comments on the P225 welcome, especially opinions as to its use
#as a concealed weapon.  Else, I am tempted by the little .380 Colts, as
#I found them pretty accurate in my hand.

I own a SIG P225 and I really like it. You are correct that it has
a single stack feed (8+1). I had a very hard time deciding between
the P225, P226, and P228. The P225 was cheaper than the other two
(probably because the lower magazine capacity is not very much in
style anymore, and I think retailers are trying to make shelf space
for the semi-autos with higher magazine capacities). I decided on
the P225 because I felt 9 shots was enough for almost any situation
I might find myself in, and the gun is slightly thinner than the
P226 and P228. But unless you can get the P225 for less than the
$585 price quoted to you, go with the P228 which holds (I think)
13+1, has the same profile dimensions as the P225, and is only
slightly thicker. I have seen both the P226 and P228 on sale here
in the SF Bay Area for $550, so I think you can get a better price
than the one you mentioned.

Lee Gaucher
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 12 guage recoil: how to limit?
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:01:40 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Oct9.034451.331@nuscc.nus.sg> swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr)) writes:
#How can I limit the recoil of a 12 guage to make it acceptable to my
#wife (small--115 lbs)? 

I'm not sure how serious a concern the shooter's size is. Didn't a
(small) Chinese woman win the trap shooting event at this summer's
Olympics?

                                            Frank Crary
                                            CU Boulder
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: lead free primers?
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:00:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

Does anyone know who makes lead free primers and finished ammo
with lead free primers?

I remember someone said Fiocci made lead free primers, but I can't
find them locally.  There was some mention that Blazer? ammo had
lead free primers?

Since I like to reload, but don't want the lead, this has become a 
priority for me ... especially after the test results from my 
spent brass ...

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: krandy@hubcap.clemson.edu (randy kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Solvent Substitutes
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:14:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: hubcap.1992Oct16.184925.13039
Organization: Clemson University

ehorne@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric T Horne) writes:

#In article <9210111515.AA21226@gw.wmich.edu> x90hornbach1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
##I'm curious if anyone has come up with a cost-effective substitute for gun
##solvent.  I hate to  spend $3-$4 for a few ounces of "gun solvent" when I could
##probably buy some other type fluid at the same price for a gallon.  I realize
##harsher solvents could have undesired results on wood or plastic finishes.  

#One ofmy friends uses this stuff that dissolves copper deposits inside the 
#bore of the gun. Its expensive stuff too. I was wondering if you could use
#PC Board "echant" (i think) used to dissolve the copper off of printed
#circuit boards to make the "wires" going to and fro the components. Anybody
#have any insight on this?

#I would also like to know if there is something else besides solvent that
#is cheaper/better than solvent.


The usual echant is ferric cloride.  It not only dissolves copper, but is
quite corrosive to other metals as well.  It will 'rust' steels very quickly.
Even the fumes will tear up most metals.  The hardware used in echant tanks
has to be titanium (plated) to resist it.  I wouldn't even allow that stuff
_near_ my rifle!!

Randy Kaufman  WD4LUJ
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 7.5 Swiss Ammo
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:18:57 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich

In article <1OCT199210540819@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
#
#Besides Norma, I think that Federal/American Eagle use to make it with Norma
#brass but they no longer manufacture it but you may find some at gun shows. 
#I haven't seen much in surplus; what I've seen is berdan primed and fairly
#expensive - $20-30/100.
#
boy, wish we had those prices here.....
as a fact: ammo is stored 11 years by the amry and then released fopr
army training, target practice and sales. guess that shows how much ammo
is stashed away in the hollow alps :-)


cu
-pete



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From: minh@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov (Minh Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Rifle scope on T/C??
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:14:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.9210161615.AA12509
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Hi, I have put a pistol scope on my T/C and I really don't
like the field of view of a handgun scope at arm's length.
I had hard time focusing thru that tiny eye piece with
my arm fully extended.
I'm thinking of buying a standard rifle scope to put on
my T/C and then I can shoot with the scope
at about 4-6" away from my eye. I'am wondering is 
there anyone tried it before? Any pros and cons? 
BTW, I shoot T/C in .223 and .44 mag.
Thank you for any info/help.

  == Minh ==
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need advice on semi-auto rifles
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:22:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvpvAs.I8z
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Oct6.123715.28324@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, bobd@marune.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula) writes:

#The AR-180 which is a .223 (the magazines are different from anything
#else & somewhat uncommon nowdays). One of my friends experience with
#this rifle was less than ideal.

	The magazines are AR-15 magazines with a slot cut in the side
	About a 3 min. job with a file.

	Ram Line magazines are factory designed to fit and be held
	by the AR-15 and AR-180 and Mini-14 (each of which uses a different
	side of the magazine to hold it in the gun.) 
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu 
Xref: sparky rec.guns:14026 talk.politics.guns:21938
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Lee bites back.
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:20:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: vincent2.viking.718589980
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

harrism@aquila.rtp.dg.com (Mike Harris) writes:
(due to some really strange attributions here)
and bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler) maybe wrote:

#|> I'm wondering what it takes to have a primer go off while loading. 
#|> I've crushed primers into cases where a significant amount of the
#|> primer was flattened and no primer has gone off (yet).
#|> 
#|> So what it setting these primers off in folks presses?

#	Luck that isn't as good as yours!

	The speed of the operation is a fairly large factor.  I hate
involve fizziks, but the total energy delivered over time is a useful
way of looking at it.  A Federal primer can be slowly mashed into a
flat piece in a vice, and if you just tap on the vice with a hammer
it will blow.  My grandfather showed me this trick when I was getting
a bit too hasty on the home-built shotshell reloader.  I slowed
down considerably after that.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: aeporro@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Bob Porro)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Smith model 27 wear
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:17:42 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <71338@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gus@prism.gatech.edu (gus Baird) writes...
# 
#In article <7277.78.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> jim.wray@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jim Wray) writes:
# >FC>puzzles me is the wear to the bluing: About 1/4" from the front
# >FC>end of the cylinder, at the side edge of the grooves (I forget
# >FC>what the're really called...) and in a small spot exactly between
# >FC>these grooves. As far as I can tell, this part of the cylinder
# >FC>never contacts _anything_, although it is under a old, empty screw hole
# >FC>in the frame (from a scope mount I got rid of.) So I'm at a loss
# >FC>to understand why the bluing should be wearing there and not anywhere
# >FC>else...
# >
# >I'd bet that the scratching comes from the hand. That's the little gizmo that
# >"times" the cylinder and ensures that it is in the right position WRT the
# >forcing cone. The hand retracts as the cylinder begins it's rotation for
# 
#that's not the hand, that's the bolt.  the hand (pawl) is the fellow
#who pushes the cylinder around.
#-- 

Gentlemen,

I think you all are missing the point.  If you read Frank's original post, the 
wear is occuring 1/4" from the front end of the cylinder where nothing contacts 
the cylinder.  The hand is typically about 1/4" from the back face of the 
cylinder.

Here's my theory as I have seen the same problem with a friend's Super 
Blackhawk with an empty screw hole on the top strap who sees the same wear
pattern as Frank mentions in his original post.  It appears to me that the 
open screw hole causes some of the flame that escapes between the flash gap 
between the cylinder and barrel to leak out over the cylinder and impinge 
on the cylinder directly below the screw hole.  The screw hole acts as a vent 
of sorts and causes the flame to touch the cylinder at that point.  My solution 
would be to put a screw into this empty hole to seal it.

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From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Carry/Ownership laws
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:56:16 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct8.152613.19103@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> rps@hoqax.att.com (Robert P Schwendel) writes:
#My wife will be on a business assignment in Pennsylvania for the
#next 6 months, if not longer. This necessitates her having an
#apartment, since it is a 3 hour one-way commute. I want to get her
#a small handgun, probably a .380, *maybe* a compact 9mm. I have all
#the permits/ID cards in my name, here in beautiful New Jersey.
#What I'm thinking of is getting the gun and giving it to her
#to take with her. So as I see it, the three areas of legality are
#1) I own the gun, and 2) she will have it in PA, a state other than
#NJ, where it was purchased, and 3) she doesn't have an ID card but
#will be in possession of the gun.
#
#What are the laws governing ownership/possession in PA? Should I start
#paperwork here in NJ to get her an ID card/permit and transfer the
#gun to her? What about transporting a gun between states? 

Luckily, you are going in the right direction, NJ-->PA. If you were
going PA-->NJ you would have a problem practically insurmountable in
your time frame. One she has a lease in her name, have a NJ FFL send it to
a PA FFL who will complete the transfer. There is a 2 to 5 day wait 
depending on locality. Where is she going to?
















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From: keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: reloading .308 Winchester
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:08:36 GMT
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation

Well, I've handloaded some .308 Winchester rounds using my Lee
Challenger single stage O-frame press.  The resizing takes a bit
of effort, but its not a problem.  Initial loads were 36 grains of
IMR 4895 behind 150gr Hornady spire point bullets.  They seemed to
work fine.  As always, the worst part seems to be adjusting the 
dies to the right height - which is why I use RCBS dies with the
locking nuts.

I have loaded using at least one sample of each of the following
brands of brass:  Remington, Winchester, Federal, PMC, Imperial,
Dominion, and NATO IVI.  The interesting thing is that only the
Remington brass would NOT chamber in my Remington 700 BDL.  
What gives?  I don't notice any difference during reloading, but
the bolt will not close when I put a round with Remington brass
into the chamber.


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From: alane@microsoft.com (Alan Ezekiel)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm: Which *not* to buy?
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:39:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

danbri@danbri.Auto-trol.COM (Dan Brigham) writes:
#
#: Glock 17/19
#
#   The people who say small handed people should beware
#could be correct, I have small hands (normal palm size, very short fingers) and
#this fits me great, however I have seen some people it did not fit. Never had a
#problem or jam with it.

[snip]

#Several people have mentioned the Sig and clones, if your price range can be 
#bumped a bit the Sig is a great shooter but not for small hands.

*Chuckle*.  I am one of those folks who said the Glock was no good for
people with small hands.  Do you know what I got instead, which seems
to fit my hand perfectly?  That's right, a SIG 9mm.  (Which I highly
recommend, BTW.  Great gun!)

Look, this is obviously a highly individual thing.  The best advice is
this: if you're shopping for a gun, don't trust all of us here on Usenet
to tell you what is going to feel comfortable -- go to a decent gun store
and handle the guns until you find a good quality gun (or three :-) which
feels comfortable to *you*.

                               -- Alane --
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From: bgolden@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Brian Golden)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: How much for a mint Uzi?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:48:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: skydive.bgolden-081092102927
Organization: NCSA

Howdy,

With the executive ban on importation of "assault weapons", we have
seen the prices of these weapons skyrocket in the recent past.  A friend
of mine is a dealer and a fellow dealer has an Uzi pistol for sale.  He's
asking around $1300, and my dealer friend says that it is in mint condition
(less than a couple hundred rounds, babied).  That seems a little high
considering how much they used to go for (before the ban), but my
supply-side
econimics isn't what it used to be.  Anyone heard of any others for sale?
Thanks.

- Brian
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bgolden@ncsa.uiuc.edu