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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.food.breadmachines
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:34:45 GMT

In article <C0H3H5.Jqp@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu> hooverb@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Bruce Hoover,Armstrong) writes:
>From article <1993Jan6.210023.14983@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, by jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr):
>> 
>> Brenda, listen to us:  what you say above means *nothing*.  Why?  Because
>> until a CFD for rec.food.baking or rec.food.breadmachines appears in
>> news.announce.newgroups, the clock on discussion doesn't start ticking. 
>> 
>Maybe I'm stupid, but I never heard of a CFD? There is a CFV which is
>certainly premature, and a RFD which is request for discussion, which is
>what this thread was titled and which is totally appropriate at this
>stage and is exactly the place for the sort of things Brenda was saying.
>
>(I think rec.food.baking might be a better name, and don't particularly
>think it is necessary in the first place) but this was not an
>innapropriate posting. An RFD is the place to discuss things.
>
>Bruce Hoover
> 

Listen, Bruce, when I say it this time: until DAVID LAWRENCE posts the
OFFICIAL call for discussion/request for discussion to
news.announce.newgroups, we can discuss rec.food.breadmachines ALL WE WANT
and it means NOTHING because the officially recognized period of
discussion won't have begun.  And the ONLY RFD posted so far is an
unofficial one "asking for this group to be added".  Hence, the advocate
of this group should send a post to the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups so an OFFICIAL discussion period can begin.

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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971 ~BHOSVWZ#097)
Subject: Unused groups
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 09:08:34 GMT


When ever I review the groups that I do not subscribe to there
apears an almost undlist listing of groups that never seem to
have any articles in them.  Is there some sysem in tact that
could allow these dead groups to be eliminated?  A thaught 
might be to have all groups that have had no articles posted
to them in say 30 or 90 days be brought up automatically for
review as if they were a new group.  If they did not meet the
requirements for creation now they could be eliminated.  

Who would have this power to eliminate groups?  And is it even
possible?

dennis

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From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:09:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.024547.19809@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
> I don't understand what's wrong with Peter but until now I never thought
> I'd come across someone who, despite all evidence to the contrary,

Well, in between your invective you have provided some evidence that there
was once a school of thought that alone held the name "conservative". It's
been a long time, though.

> continues to believe and publicly state that the word "conservative" is
> meaningless and idiotic as a label for a political point of view.

It used to be a perfectly good label, unfortunately it's been so diluted
it's as useless as "hacker" for "superprogrammer" or "gay" for "cheerful".
I don't know anyone, including Rush Limbaugh, who uses it in its original
sense.

> Peter ignores this and calls the use of the word "conservative" in a
> potential newsgroup name "mutilation of the language."

No, no, no, the mutilation of the language started at least 50 years ago
and it's far to late to recover it. My original point was a reaction to
the people who wanted to call it "talk.politics.reactionary", and the
motivation was to point out that one tag is as good as another, so why
not let folks use whatever name they want?

Are you *trying* to start *that* proposal up again?
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From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:36:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.153525.5163@pdn.paradyne.com> nelson@paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
>All groups must have a foundation in order to filter out any non 
>pertinant information. (i.e Mac users don't subscribe to IBM newsgroups 
>to discuss their issues.) As the RFD says, part of the charter of this 
>group is to assume the validity of Jesus Christ as the son of God and 
>that the Bible is the inherant word of God.  These are not to be argued 
>here since they are already being argued in the above mentioned groups.  
>Instead, this will be a group where people already with these same 
>beliefs can come and discuss *the Word* (hence the name Bible Study), 
>not to particpate in senseless flame wars.  
>
>I agree with Randy Finder when he made the recommendation that the group
>be called "soc.religion.christian.biblestudy" rather than the original
>name.  This makes it clear that this group has already made the same
>assumptions as stated in the RFD.

Despite the name, it's not a study of the Bible, in any academic sense--merely
of the self-contained sequence of events of the Bible, undoubtedly with the
moral ramifications clearly spelled out.  By definition, it excludes "non-
believers," and I find that a shortcoming.

I would suggest a more liberal stance be taken.  The Bible is an anthology: 
*one* possible collection of a large number of works.  These works were
written by people, evolved over a long period of time, and had their  
meaning and significance interpreted and re-interpreted over the centuries.  
As a book, I suggest that it's fair game for academic criticism.

A good chunk of my education was devoted to classical civilization: one of
the courses I took was called "The History of the Bible," mainly dedicated 
to the Old Testament (Tanakh), through about 500 BC.  It was interesting in
that it made no theological assumptions whatsoever: it was a comparative and 
critical analysis of its historical veracity, based on both the archeological 
record and external literary sources (and it actually stands up fairly well).

I would like to see a group with a similar spirit: the proposed name-
selection is specific enough that an objective, academic moderator should
be found, who has actually received formal theological training, to be able 
to filter commentary from all corners.  

If created as proposed, the "christian" stem should definitely be in there;
so should "talk," for this certainly doesn't belong in the soc.* hierarchy. 





Just my $0.02 worth.


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From: joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.food.breadmachines
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:15:31 GMT
Organization: VERITAS Software

In article <1993Jan6.151939.20452@ra.msstate.edu> dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb) writes:
>In article <72946@cup.portal.com> Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts) writes:
>>I posted a request for discussion in rec.food.cooking, and the positive
>>response is phenomenol! We believe this will be a VERY ACTIVE newsgroup,
>>and so are requesting it be added.
>
>I'm sorry Renee, if it comes to a vote, I'm voting NO. I can see it now
>rec.food.vegamatic, rec.food.sandwich-master, rec.food.dehydrators,
>rec.food.crokpot, rec.food.microwave, rec.food.curly.spiral.cutter, etc,
>etc, etc.

Wouldn't it be easier to have rec.food.ronco and rec.food.ginzu instead?
:-)

Joshua Levy  (joshua@veritas.com)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:57:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.153525.5163@pdn.paradyne.com> 
 nelson@paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
>All groups must have a foundation in order to filter out any non 
>pertinant information. (i.e Mac users don't subscribe to IBM newsgroups 
>to discuss their issues.) As the RFD says, part of the charter of this 
>group is to assume the validity of Jesus Christ as the son of God and 
>that the Bible is the inherant word of God.  These are not to be argued 
>here since they are already being argued in the above mentioned groups.  
>Instead, this will be a group where people already with these same 
>beliefs can come and discuss *the Word* (hence the name Bible Study), 
>not to particpate in senseless flame wars.  
>
>I agree with Randy Finder when he made the recommendation that the group
>be called "soc.religion.christian.biblestudy" rather than the original
>name.  This makes it clear that this group has already made the same
>assumptions as stated in the RFD.

What is described above sounds like a definite subset of "Christian
Bible study".  Ideas like textual criticism or the bible study approach
arising out of Latin American base communities, both which I've discussed
in my church's bible studies, might well not fit. However, they are
Methodists and follow a tradition which honors "scripture, tradition,
reason and experience".  

It is more difficult than some people would like to isolate the study
of scripture from the contaminating influence of other ideas.

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From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: news.groups.meta
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:54:59 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

In article <1ic5okINN1oa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>An informal proposal to create a highly specialized
> newsgroup dedicated to:
>
>discussions about discussions in news.groups
>proposals to change the group creation procedures
>
>The name should be news.groups.meta or news.groups.d
>
>Half a smiley
>
>Happy new year everyone.  Let's all resolve to flame
> a little less.

Of course, one could claim with some justification that the groups
news.admin.policy, alt.fan.dave-hayes, and alt.fan.jay-maynard already
serve this purpose.
From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.aeronautics moderation
Date: 10 Jan 1993 08:37:04 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsidian.wpi.edu

Well, as much as I like the idea of self-moderation and free flow of posts,
I have to agree that the sci.aeronautics traffic has gotten out of hand.
I've been on sci.military for over 3 years now, and airliners since it 
started, and despite the false impression a post of mine gave, I have to
agree that they have both been terrific groups.

I feel that Mary would make a fantastic moderator, and I have enjoyed her
posts for quite a while.

I encourage a call for votes, and I will vote yes on moderating sci.aero
under the current proposal.

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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:00:34 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

nelson@paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:


>gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) writes:
>
>>> The mod isn't going to allow questioning of some of the more basic,
>>> and yet more complex, problems concerning this collection of works,
>>> and he presumes there will be any real discussion?  Sounds like a
>>> waste of bandwidth to me...  not that I'll have anything to do with
>>> anything remotely related to the group anyway, but I'll vote against
>>> it just on the principle that if you're not allowed to question 
>>> *everything*, your search for truth is meaningless.  Censorship at
>>> its very worst.
>
>Questions such as these are already discussed in talk.religion.misc and 
>soc.religion.christian; if they were to be discussed here as well then 
>I would agree that it *would be a waste of bandwidth*.  
>
>All groups must have a foundation in order to filter out any non 
>pertinant information. (i.e Mac users don't subscribe to IBM newsgroups 
>to discuss their issues.) As the RFD says, part of the charter of this 
>group is to assume the validity of Jesus Christ as the son of God and 
>that the Bible is the inherant word of God.  These are not to be argued 
>here since they are already being argued in the above mentioned groups.  
>Instead, this will be a group where people already with these same 
>beliefs can come and discuss *the Word* (hence the name Bible Study), 
>not to particpate in senseless flame wars.  
>
>I agree with Randy Finder when he made the recommendation that the group
>be called "soc.religion.christian.biblestudy" rather than the original
>name.  This makes it clear that this group has already made the same
>assumptions as stated in the RFD.

I think the charter should be changed to delete the assumption that the OT
points to Jesus Christ...the Bible doesn't soley belong to Christians, and
as such, commentary on it should come from any and all sources.  Make the
group free-wheeling and open to historical discussions, critical
discussion, etc, etc.

Keep the shorter name, but open it up for serious discussion from all
comers.  With an open-minded moderator.

 -Steve
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: gumby@spock.uucp (Danny Richman)
Subject: Re: rec.sports.rowing??
Keywords: rowing, sports, newsgroup
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:48:04 GMT

In article <dmartin.726083275@femto.engr.mun.ca> dmartin@pico.engr.mun.ca (Dan Martin) writes:
>What is happening with the vote on rec.sports.rowing? I have been
>checking for the last week but no one is talking about it anymore. Is
>it killed already, even before a vote?  I have about 10 people who are 
>actively involved in rowing (3 of which are training to make the
>Canadian National team) and are also connected to the internet world.
>They are just waiting to cast their votes.  How long do we have to wait?
>How much red tape do we have to go through?  Is there anything I can do
>to help?           
>
>regards,
>Dan Martin
>email:dmartin@pico.engr.mun.ca
>

I am glad you asked that...

The vote will take place soon, around the end of the present discussion.

The discussion will end on or about the 15th of January.  Within about 5
days of that, you can expect the vote to begin.  So, look for the CFV soon, 
and get as many friends to vote as you can.....

					-Dan

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From: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Reply-To: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, FL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:56:32 GMT

In article <1igd7qINN9hb@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
|>Why is this different from the existing moderated soc.religion.christian?

Discussions in soc.religion.christian are more topical in nature.  Some 
currently going on now, for example, are:  "The purpose of meetings of the 
local church", "Cremation", "Non-procreative sex", "Do we need to pray?", 
etc...

A Bible study newsgroup would be an appropriate place to bring people 
together and commonly study particular passages and then share their 
feelings/interpretations of those passages at the same time.

This group should be based on research, rather than topical conversations.


         
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From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:36:47 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Organization: The Group W Bench


The mod isn't going to allow questioning of some of the more basic,
and yet more complex, problems concerning this collection of works,
and he presumes there will be any real discussion?  Sounds like a
waste of bandwidth to me...  not that I'll have anything to do with
anything remotely related to the group anyway, but I'll vote against
it just on the principle that if you're not allowed to question 
*everything*, your search for truth is meaningless.  Censorship at
its very worst.

Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, it makes them soggy and hard to light.
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From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.soft-sys.matlab passes 749:18
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:37:05 GMT

In article <1in5j4INN1rs@rodan.UU.NET> Michael Maurer <maurer@nova.stanford.edu> writes:
>The voting period for comp.soft-sys.matlab ended at 1993 Jan 7 23:59
>GMT, and 767 valid votes had been received by that time.
>
>YES: 749
> NO:  18

As I was scanning the list of voters, I was struck by how broadly international
it was. I don't know if this indicates how geographically widespread the
MatLab user community is, or whether some people are just interested, but out
of curiosity I summed up the number of people from each country (going by
domain name). The list isn't 100% perfect - I didn't bother trying to figure
out countries within corporate domains, for example - but it's very close.

FYI, here are the numbers (sorted alphabetically by domain name, roughly):

      43      .au    Australia
       2      .br    Brazil
      68      .ca    Canada
      23      .ch    Switzerland
       1      .cl    Chile
      13      .de    Germany
       6      .dk    Denmark
       1      .es    Spain
      16      .fi    Finland
       8      .fr    France
       4      .hk    Hong Kong
       3      .il    Israel
       1      .is    Iceland
       2      .it    Italy
       1      .mx    Mexico
       9      .nl    Netherlands
      21      .no    Norway
       6      .nz    New Zealand
       1      .pl    Poland
       1      .pt    Portugal
      31      .se    Sweden
       1      .su    Soviet Union
       1      .tw    Taiwan
      47      .uk    United Kingdom
     444      (various)   U.S.A.
       4      .za    South Africa

I think it's really great that people from so many different countries are, or 
at least will be, discussing a single topic with each other. I suspect this 
is fairly standard for most groups these days, it was just interesting to
see it all in one list like that.
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From: sysjmk@sarah.albany.edu (Joe Kane)
Subject: ALT news group traffic
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:50:49 GMT


  I am interested in receiving a feed of the ALT news group and would like 
to know the amount of disk space required by this group on a daily basis. I
would appreciate it if someone would e-mail me this information.

                                           thanks

                                           joe kane
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