From: darryl@lemuria.sai.com (Darryl P. Wagoner)
Subject: Re: AP.ADMIN IS AN ASSHOL
Keywords: same as the subject....*smile*  but add stubborn and stupid...
Organization: Shecora Associates, Inc. Nashua, NH 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:38:20 GMT

In article <14576@umd5.umd.edu> doug@lpf.umd.edu (does not exist) writes:

>	you also said that you would send me a copy of your software.... so
>far, nothing....*smile*

I haven't had time to wrap it up, put Copyrights and the GNU copyleft
on it yet.  Of course I may change my mind altogether and not make it
public.  Why should I, after all the flame against me and my company.

>	how do you feel about sending me the address (and name) of your
>funding people, so that i may contact them directly?  i would like to write
>to them and complain about your service, and attitude, and generally make
>waves.  i have been encouraged by several others who also would like to have

No, problem!

	Susan Prochaska at susan@sai.com she is the owner and CEO.
	Have fun, but be warned if she won't be near as nice as I
	have been, if she even answers.

>>A. It's not out of the way.  B. The charter of the service as defined
>>by SAI is a singles service.  It IS NOT AN ANONYMOUS POSTING SERVICE.
>>How many times to I have to say that?  It is funny, I kept stating
>>our reason for running the service the way we do, but only a very
>>few listen.  The rest don't want to be confused by facts.  They are
>
>	just out of curiousity, if this is such a highly moral and open
>service, that encourages honesty, *WHY IS IT ANONYMOUS*????  there is where
>most of the deceit is coming from, the refusal to stand by what one
>says, by

Here you go again trying to side step the issue.  Putting moral issues
a side, why can't we run a singles only service?  Stick to the issue!

>their true intent (to whatever degree) and personage behind a *LESS THAN
>SECURE* anonimity!!!!  then you have the audacity to claim high morals!  HAH!

You have claim that it isn't secure before.  Sure you can watch the
packets go accross the network along with a billion other packets, if
you have the know how and care.  But the long and short of it, is
you are blowing smoke.  If you have an idea about who an alias is
you might be able to brute force attack to provide it.  But do you 
really think that you be given an random alias and translate it to
a real email address?  If you can do the world a favor and tell me
how and I will fix it.

>
>>however much more guilt of imposing their morals on me, than I on
>
>	*NO ONE* is imposing their morality on you.  they are saying that as
>the administrator of a service of this nature, it is your duty to be at "arm's
>length" from the service.  if you cannot change your morals (no one is 
>suggesting you should,) then get out of the business.

I do, stay at arm's length.  You are the one trying to force us in
changing the service to fit your nature.  The nature of the service is
it is a Singles Intro Service.  You are the one that things there is
some deep dark moral issue.   It is just a simple SINGLES service
nothing more and nothing less.

>	and for the ske of everyone's sanity.... don't spread your 'gospel'
>to other groups!  you have created enough headaches here!  

But you spread your 'gospel'.  Saying that I am evil because I don't
submit SAI resources and time to support a service in the way YOU
think it should be run.

>	it would seem to me that it would be obvious, *EVEN TO YOU* that there
>is a radical problem with you and your service ('you' only as with regard to,
>and in the context of the service, NOT you personally), as evidenced by the 
>fact that you have created more posts about your service (to be fair, both
>pro and con) than any other topic.  this should at least a clue!  why can't 
>you see the writing on the wall?  all the other acs services before,
>put

So, I like to be the center of attention. :-)  

We are processing over 500 messages a day for this service.  The
number of aliases in the data base is increasing about 100 a day.
This is providing a useful service for many users.  I would say the
less then 10 users have really complain about the rules.  About 10
more have said they like the service but wish we would losing up.
So maybe 20 have taken any exception to the rules at all.  Forgive
if I don't lose any sleep over it.

>	are you now saying you represent sai?  'me(sai)' sounds to me like
>you are.....  again, i ask if you will publish or send to me the address of
>the parent/funding organization.  i (and several others) would like to contact

You don't have ask again.  I would have some hard reasons why to stop
it, with as many users as we have using you and "serveral others"
isn't going to impress her.  Frankly she doesn't know what your
problem is and thinks it is some macho control thing.  I think see
is right.

>	i suspect that this is going to be a recurring theme with you.
>	can i have the software?    > It's not going to happen!

Well, my mother always said to let someone you are disagreeing
with be right part of the time, just to save face.  I let you 
be right about this.

>	will you modify your faq/
>	how-to posts to reflect the
>	facts and truth?           > It's not going to happen!

You have such a confused view of things, I am not sure you know
what is facts and truth.  But if you can point out any real errors
in the FAQ, I will change them.

>	will you give me the 
>	direct address to the 
>	funding organization?     > It's not going to happen!
>	etc.                      > It's not going to happen!
>	*smile*                   > It's not going to happen!

Wrong again!


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