From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:32:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.151313.19320@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.193549.2086@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug25.170101.3480@Princeton.EDU> muyu@burn.Princeton.EDU  
(Muyu  
> >Guo) writes:
> >> From article <1992Aug25.143807.12175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by  
> >mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha):
> >> > In article <1992Aug24.104235.28567@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yidao@cae.wisc.edu  
> >(Yidao Cai) writes:
> >> >>In article <1992Aug24.131954.27915@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
> >mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Don't you have any stronger evidence to support the the claim that "the
> >> >>>Chinese treat the Tibetans better than they treat themselves"?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>       Here I am not going to give an answer to your question, I just  
want
> >> >>to provide you some infomation
> >> >>       1. If you visit Putala Palace in Lasa, you would see the skins of  
> >the
> >> >>slaves still hanging behind the seat Dalai Lama used to sit.
> >> >>
> >> > 
> >> > 	That strikes you as pretty strong evidence, doesn't it? Did it ever
> >> > cross your mind that maybe, just *maybe*, the CCP put those skins there?
> >> > 
> >> > 	You remember Lei Feng, don't you?
> >> > 
> >> > 	"Lei Feng was a conscript who died at the age of twenty in a banal
> >> > accident. Only after his death was it discovered what a humble and  
> >admirable
> >> > pupil of Mao Zedong he had been during his short and hidden life. His  
ideal
> >> > had been 'to be a small cog in the machine' working for the party and 
> >> > Chairman Mao. The biography of Lei Feng had some strange variants before  
> >the
> >> > definitive version was prepared by the writers of the Propaganda  
Department
> >> > in 1964. 'Lei Feng Exhibitions' were organized in the large cities,
> >> > *simultaneously* showing many 'original' copies of the hero's diary.  
These
> >> > exhibitions also showed remarkable photographic documents, such as 'Lei  
> >Feng
> >> > helping an old woman to cross the street,' 'Lei Feng secretly [sic]  
doing
> >> > his comrades' washing,' 'Lei Feng giving his lunch to a comrade who  
forgot
> >> > his lunch box,' and so forth. Only cynical and impious spirits will  
wonder
> >> > at the providential presence of a photographer during the various  
incidents
> >> > in the life of that humble, hitherto unknown soldier."
> >> > 
> >> > --Simon Leys, "Chinese Shadows", pp.80-81.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Do you buy the Lei Feng story, too? Or just the Dalai Lama story?
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> Bias is worse than ignorance, as the old saying goes. I would also
> >> say, knowing little about China with preoccupied thoughts is worse
> >> than knowing nothing about China.  The Lei Feng thing and the
> >> Dalai Lama are completely irrelevent matters, with very very
> >> different context and implication.  The author of above post seems
> >> have little or no idea about how huge and complex China really is.
> >> China is a world by itself. You must see and live there to know
> >> what it really is. Simple minded stereotyping is the easiest and
> >> most misleading thing for an outsider to do, unfortunately.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> --
> >> Muyu Guo
> >
> >
> >I am not sure whether the skins were put by CCP or not. But one thing is  
clear.   
> >In China, if the government says something, it is really difficult to get  
the  
> >evidence to support the opposite side. Only history can prove later. This is  
> >the power and skill of control of CCP government. We have to admit that the  
CCP  
> >government is good at fool its people. .
> >
> >Remember TAM incident? I guess you have to agree with me that what the CCP  
> >government said is not the truth. But several months later, my relatives in  
> >China wrote to me that some (even many) Chinese thought that rebels were at  
> >least partialy responsible for the incident. Do you know the reason? Those  
> >Chinese did not live in Beijing and they did not actually see the incident.  
> >Gradually, they were probably brainwashed.
> >
> >I feel it not so easy to believe that the PLA forced to monks and nuns to  
have  
> >sex. We can not just simply believe stories from one side. But we also  
should  
> >not blindly reject them. At least I know a true story that happened during  
the  
> >Culture Revolution. A group of Red Guards went to a temple in Jiangxi  
Province  
>                                                    * *******
> 
> Hi, Boy, as I Know there is no "a temple" in which monks and nuns can live 
> together in Jiangxi. Does such thing exist in Tibet? BTW if you want to 
> make some stories anymore, get some background first.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> >and re-educate the monks and nuns. They DID force them to abandon their  
> >religion and live "normal men and women's lives". They DID force some of  
them  
> >to marry each other. Most of them surrendered. One monk jumped off a cliff  
and  
> >died.
> >
> >The incident I mentioned above might just be and isolated event. The point  
here  
> >is when we are accusing somebody of being brainwashed, have we ever thought  
> >that we might also be brainwashed.
> >
> >Carl
> >

Oops! I apologize for my mistake. You are right. It should be temples. Again  
sorry about that!  Thanks for your post.



Carl