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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Abandoning the Politically Powerless
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:49:24 GMT

In article <13782@grayt> grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray) writes:
>
>The Ontario (NDP) government has announced a policy of eliminating
>sheltered workshops for the developmentally handicapped (this is the
>latest euphemism for those who used to be called mentally retarded).
>
>The government is eliminating the workshop programs in favour or
>"community" solutions. The government does not intend to define these
>solutions but will rely on the "community" to propose, plan, sponsor
>and administer programs which the government will then "fund".
>The government has provided no basis on what the philosophy or capability
>of these "community" programs will be. Instead the government has reduced
>the budget for sheltered workshops by 60%.
>
>The government has apparently decided to cease providing services to this
>population and will instead provide politcally correct rhetoric on
>"community living". The government realizes that shletered workshops
>are a necessity as was admitted by the Minister of Social Services.
>They just do not want to pay for them and hope that the ill defined
>nebulous "community" will rally to support this group which is among the
>most helpless in society.
>
>
>There has been no announcement but the same policy of political rhetoric
>is now being planned for the psychiatrically diasabled as well.
>

Socialism with a human face, no doubt... ! (-

The public service unions received a 5% salary increase the first year
of the NDP government and 2% on top of that last year, which amounts
to about a 5% increase over inflation since the NDP took office...
...in total, the payroll budget of the government has gone up about 20%
since the NDP took office...the NDP obviously knows where its bread
is buttered.

Gerald
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,talk.politics.animals
From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: Eating killed animals (was Re: Gun Control Petition)
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:16:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.165905.10759@tse.uucp> wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:

>Let's be reasonable. Comparing cattle castration to human medical treatment
>is inaccurate and distorts Rosemary's argument. Cattle are castrated purely
>for human gain - obviously they have no choice, and it is really not to their
>benefit.

Of course these are the same cattle that were conceived, born, fed, and
raised purely for human gain.  They are food.  If they were not, they would
not exist.

>		Wayne Hines 
-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: bruce2@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Bruce Watson) 
Subject: Pen-Pals
Followup-To: bruce2@morgan.ucs.mun.ca 
Reply-To: bruce2@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland 
Distribution: World
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:24:54 GMT

I am posting this for a Brazilian girl who would like to contact
pen-pals.

Evelyn, 16, lives in Brazil and would like pen-pals from Canada,
particularly from Newfoundland. She collects postcards and can write
in English. Write to:

Evelyn Oliveira Canizares
Rua Senador Godoy 701
Sao Paulo - SP
CEP 03608-050
BRAZIL
From: leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler )
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Consumer advice needed
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:44:19 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca

lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>I'm no consumer laws expert, but if you bought the machine on Boxing Day, you
>oughtta be able to take it back for a full refund, simply because you're not
>satisfied with the product.  If they give you any trouble, write your local
>Better Business Bureau, call Consumer Affairs, your MLA, the Toronto radio
>stations, etcetera.  Send letters to the editors of the Toronto papers
>warning other consumers of problems like this one.  Make a scene!

>In any event, I'm sure the retailer is obliged to give you a full refund
>unless there was a "No Refunds on Sales Items" stamp on your receipt, or
>similar disclaimer.

     This is a common misperception.  A retailer is NOT obligated to take
back merchandise simply because the customer is not "satisfied" with it.  The
major department stores do allow such refunds, but they do so only as a 
voluntary service, not because they are required to.  Many other stores 
will not do such refunds.  As far as the law is concerned, if you buy
something you're not happy with, it's your own fault.
     If a piece of merchandise is defective, the retailer is obligated to
either accept it back for a refund, replace it with a similar item, or
repair it, at the RETAILER's option.  

				     ---Steven Leffler
					leffler@physics.ubc.ca
From: william@cithara.login.qc.ca (William Ross)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: US dollar VISA or MasterCard?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 21:00:35 EST
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

bpenrose@epas.utoronto.ca (B. Penrose) writes:

> In article <1993Jan4.064926.19560@sq.sq.com> dave@lsuc.on.ca (David Sherman)
> asks:
> >
> >If there are no Canadian financial institutions offering US$ cards
> >any more, does anyone know of U.S. card issuers that will accept
> >Canadian customers?
> >
> 
> You might try Citibank.  I started my account with them while living
> in the U.S. but continued using it after returning to Canada, complete
> with a Canadian billing address.  They seemed to have no problem with
> my residing in  Canada at all, and indeed, unlike Canadian card
> issuers (to whom "customer service" is an utterly alien concept),
> continued to provide a number which could be called collect for
> billing inquiries.  They were also great about stuff like getting an
> increase in credit limit.  Whether they are as willing to open an
> account for someone residing in Canada as they seem to be to continue
> one, I don't know.  Good luck.

CitiBank solicits accounts in Canada.

> 
> --Brian
> 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
William Ross
cithara                 Specalists in asbestos underwear
                        since 1992                william@cithara.login.qc.ca
From: tg@utstat.toronto.edu (Tom Glinos)
Subject: Re: Public Internet access in London Ont?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:00:04 GMT

In article <C0BzC5.L4@mach1.wlu.ca> scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if there's any BBS or whatever that could give me access
>to the Internet?  I go home sometimes and have to dial in long distance
>now...  Thanks for your help...

UUNET Canada has a Point of Presence (POP) in London.
They also offer a terminal access service (TAC) which may be what
you are looking for. Rates are about $6/hr. (416) 368-6621.

tom
-- 
=================
Man MUST reach for the stars,		| Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics
otherwise, he will wither, and die.	| tg@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: can.general
From: mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF])
Subject: Re: Consumer advice needed
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:53:56 GMT

leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler ) writes:
>     This is a common misperception.  A retailer is NOT obligated to take
>back merchandise simply because the customer is not "satisfied" with it.  The
>major department stores do allow such refunds, but they do so only as a 
>voluntary service, not because they are required to.  Many other stores 
>will not do such refunds.  As far as the law is concerned, if you buy
>something you're not happy with, it's your own fault.
>     If a piece of merchandise is defective, the retailer is obligated to
>either accept it back for a refund, replace it with a similar item, or
>repair it, at the RETAILER's option.  

This is all slightly different if the sales rep provided false information,
which is what happened in my case.  I was promised a warranty (and I have
at least one witness to this) which I now find will not be honoured.

It turns out that the absence of CSA approval on the unit is heavier firepower
anyway.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF])
Subject: Consumer advice needed
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:22:40 GMT

I bought myself a VCR on Boxing Day in Toronto, which I now find may need
some service because on playback the audio's not always that great.  Normally
this isn't something I need to post about, but a number of things strike me
funny:

1) there was no warranty card in the box; there was a description of
   the warranty bearing an American address, but no card to fill in or
   send anyplace
2) the serial number sticker is not in the usual place, nor is it the
   usual form (6 digits preceeded by "A", white-on-black; this one has
   a 5-digit number only, black-on-white)
3) there is no "CSA approved" sticker anyplace on it

This all suggests that the place I bought it sent someone across the border
who bought it, and brought it back here to sell it to someone cheap.

I guess my question is: What can I do to get warranty service, given that I
bought the unit in good faith?  Is the retailer responsible for providing
the full warranty service?  Is he guilty of any crime?  Am I entitled to
anything like a full refund?  What are my options?

Any advice would be appreciated.

--

-- Murray S. Kucherawy ----------------------------------------+--------------
Software Systems Co-op, Math Faculty Computing Facility [MFCF] | All spelling
University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada                        | errors caused
E-mail: mskucherawy@{math,watdragon}.UWaterloo.ca              | by Pnews.
---------------------------------------------------------------+--------------
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: Abandoning the Politically Powerless
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:21:22 GMT


In article <13782@grayt> grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray) writes:
|>There has been no announcement but the same policy of political rhetoric
|>is now being planned for the psychiatrically diasabled as well.


golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|Socialism with a human face, no doubt... ! (-

|The public service unions received a 5% salary increase the first year
|of the NDP government and 2% on top of that last year, which amounts
|to about a 5% increase over inflation since the NDP took office...
|...in total, the payroll budget of the government has gone up about 20%
|since the NDP took office...the NDP obviously knows where its bread
|is buttered.


  To (mis)quote Scrooge, ``Bah, Humbug, Are there no workhouses?''.

  I fear all our governments are becoming less and less responsive
to groups who do not fit selected categories of ``friend''.

  I have the duiubtfull pleasuer of belonging to a labour union at a
university which has testified before the labour board that a broad class of
university-educated members, both male and female, are the perpetrators of a
form of sexual discrimination, because university education is obviously a
matter of (male?) privelege.  [Yes, I know that doesn't make any sense.  It
isn't supposed to.]  
 They've defined who their friends are, and have no use for anyone else, and
anything at all can be used as a distinction between friend and enemy.  The
labour board, having a responsability to **their** friends, follows a
similar line of reasoning.  The Ontario Government, having a comittment to
gender equality, also follows suit (after all, sexual discrimination is
trendy).

  This turns us from a government of laws into not a government of men, but
a government of fads.
  Alas, this is very much the kind of polarization we've seen in the
excited states, with the success or failure of a party depending very
much on the publicization of particular positions, not on broader issues.

  I often claim we learn from the U.S.'s mistakes.  I'm not sure how we
can learn from this one.

--dave
-- 
David Collier-Brown,  | davecb@CCS.YorkU.CA | lethe!dave
72 Abitibi Ave.,      | 
Willowdale, Ontario,  | York Postmaster and
CANADA. 416-223-8968  | occasional sendfail(8) consultant.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:24:39 EST
From: <CURRIEA@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Information Request about the WEB

You can try spider@web.apc.org--that worked a while ago.
(Spider is the account used by the sysops.)

Their internet address is 142.77.253.8.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Any National Film Board contacts on the net?
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:11:13 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 308

?


-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech.qc.ca                       |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Why Canadian troops should stay in Cyprus
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:08:34 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

 The short answer to why we shouldn't withdraw our peacekeeping
 troops from Cyprus is, IMHO, because the consequences for Europe
 and NATO could easily be horrible.
 
 Admittedly, it is frustrating keeping two belligerent groups
 apart for decade after decade with no end in sight.  But the
 alternative is not keeping them apart.  With the current atmosphere
 in and around the Balkans, I would expect the Greek and Turkish
 Cypriots to be at each other's throats before the peacekeepers
 were out of Cyprus' airspace, and Greece and Turkey to be at war
 with one another within weeks afterwards, if not days.  Since
 both countries are NATO members, that organization would get
 sucked in and/or lose its credibility; and with the exception
 of one Franco-German brigade, NATO is the only shared security
 force in Europe.  General war in Southeast Europe might be only
 the beginning of the consequences.  That's an awful lot to risk
 for the sake of relieving a bit of political frustration.
 
 ----------
 
 An aside: is this group dying?  I've been waiting for activity
 to pick up after the holidays, and it ain't.
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Consumer advice needed
From: lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 09:38:33 PST
Organization: The Old Coot's (Spare) Almanac

mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF]) writes:

> I bought myself a VCR on Boxing Day in Toronto, which I now find may need
> some service because on playback the audio's not always that great.
>
> 1) there was no warranty card in the box; there was a description of
>    the warranty bearing an American address, but no card to fill in or
>    send anyplace
> 2) the serial number sticker is not in the usual place, nor is it the
>    usual form (6 digits preceeded by "A", white-on-black; this one has
>    a 5-digit number only, black-on-white)
> 3) there is no "CSA approved" sticker anyplace on it
> 
> This all suggests that the place I bought it sent someone across the border
> who bought it, and brought it back here to sell it to someone cheap.
> 
> I guess my question is: What can I do to get warranty service, given that I
> bought the unit in good faith?  Is the retailer responsible for providing
> the full warranty service?  Is he guilty of any crime?  Am I entitled to
> anything like a full refund?  What are my options?
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated.
> 
Murray,

I'm no consumer laws expert, but if you bought the machine on Boxing Day, you
oughtta be able to take it back for a full refund, simply because you're not
satisfied with the product.  If they give you any trouble, write your local
Better Business Bureau, call Consumer Affairs, your MLA, the Toronto radio
stations, etcetera.  Send letters to the editors of the Toronto papers
warning other consumers of problems like this one.  Make a scene!

In any event, I'm sure the retailer is obliged to give you a full refund
unless there was a "No Refunds on Sales Items" stamp on your receipt, or
similar disclaimer.

Good Luck, and let us know how you make out...

Lisa

               lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca (Lisa Lambeth)
                      The Old Coot's Almanac
               Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
                    Courtesy the old coot hisse'f!
Xref: sparky can.general:6209 can.politics:11171 soc.culture.canada:9750
From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Abandoning the Politically Powerless
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:50:20 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


The Ontario (NDP) government has announced a policy of eliminating
sheltered workshops for the developmentally handicapped (this is the
latest euphemism for those who used to be called mentally retarded).

The government is eliminating the workshop programs in favour or
"community" solutions. The government does not intend to define these
solutions but will rely on the "community" to propose, plan, sponsor
and administer programs which the government will then "fund".
The government has provided no basis on what the philosophy or capability
of these "community" programs will be. Instead the government has reduced
the budget for sheltered workshops by 60%.

The government has apparently decided to cease providing services to this
population and will instead provide politcally correct rhetoric on
"community living". The government realizes that shletered workshops
are a necessity as was admitted by the Minister of Social Services.
They just do not want to pay for them and hope that the ill defined
nebulous "community" will rally to support this group which is among the
most helpless in society.


There has been no announcement but the same policy of political rhetoric
is now being planned for the psychiatrically diasabled as well.




-- 
i.sinature
From: elfie@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: "Polemique autour d'un dictionnaire quebecois"
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 14:20:05 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

> Hmm. Si, le quebecois est une branche du francais. Mais est-ce que ce
> fait doit nous obliger a suivre l'usage de la France? J'ai comme
> l'impression que le Quebec n'est plus une colonie. Faire vivre le
> francais au Quebec, ce n'est pas le preserver dans le formol. Si, au
> Quebec, les jeunes vont parler francais, ce n'est pas le francais de
> France qu'ils vont parler. Pourquoi est-ce que ne pas suivre l'usage
> de la France serait "impur"?
> 
> Considere ce qui se passe aux Etats-Unis -- est-ce que l'anglais
> americain est-il moins "pur" que l'anglais "anglais"? Le quebecois est
> une langue vivante -- le bon usage, c'est l'usage qui est compris.
> Se forcer a parler francais "de France", c'est parler une langue autre
> que la notre, c'est se rendre moins compris, c'est essayer de se faire
> passer pour un etranger en son propre pays! Apres tout, le francais, ce
> n'est rien que du "mauvais latin", historiquement parlant... alors
> parlons quebecois ou parlons latin!
> 
>                                            - Andrew Frederiksen
>                                            (Twit professionnel...)
> 

Je voudrais vous informer qu'en France, les canadiens et les americains 
ne parlent pas "l'anglais," mais "l'americain."  Aussi, les quebecois ne 
parlent pas "le francais," mais "le quebecois," ou "l'ancien."  Il faut 
se souvenir que le langage du 17eme siecle n'est plus le langage 
contemporain.  Le francais au Quebec a change tellement que les francais 
de la France ne peuvent plus comprendre un "habitant" sans l'ecriture.

Le Quebec a ses racines en France, mais il est toujours distincte, meme 
en mots parles.

---____  ____
  //     //   DataSoft Consulting   elfie@cibbs.UUCP
 //     //   Club InSaNiTy BBS     uunorth!cibbs!elfie
 ==== ====  Toronto, Ont., Canada
From: riese@litsun.epfl.ch (Marc Riese)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: "Polemique autour d'un dictionnaire quebecois"
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:04:50 GMT
            <78T1wB7w165w@cibbs.UUCP> <1993Jan8.160109@siisun.epfl.ch>


elfie@cibbs.UUCP writes:
>   Le francais au Quebec a change tellement que les francais 
> de la France ne peuvent plus comprendre un "habitant" sans l'ecriture.

Je ne suis pas d'accord. A ma connaissance, 
les Canadiens Francais (Quebecois, Acadiens, et marginaux...)
s'integrent assez bien ici linguistiquement.

Alain Brossard writes:
>   Et bien je me demande comment j'ai fait pour travailler les
>dernieres 4 annees si les Suisses (francais) et les Francais
>de France ne me comprennaient pas!

N'empeche que la serie "Les Filles de Caleb" est diffusee en mode
bi-canal "francais et quebecois" en Suisse !
Et pourtant, comme les oeuvres d'Arcand, la version originale a peu d'argot
et son vocabulaire est assez international.

Peut-etre une partie du probleme est le manque de soupplesse de 
l'oreille europeene, plutot que le vocabulaire.
Ou bien ?


Marc Riese
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
Suisse
Newsgroups: can.francais
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: "Polemique autour d'un dictionnaire quebecois"
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:37:56 GMT

In article <5610@disuns2.epfl.ch> riese@litsun.epfl.ch (Marc Riese) writes:
>
>N'empeche que la serie "Les Filles de Caleb" est diffusee en mode
>bi-canal "francais et quebecois" en Suisse !
>Et pourtant, comme les oeuvres d'Arcand, la version originale a peu d'argot
>et son vocabulaire est assez international.
>
>Peut-etre une partie du probleme est le manque de soupplesse de 
>l'oreille europeene, plutot que le vocabulaire.
>Ou bien ?

Et moi qui pensait que les Europeens avaient un taux de bilinguisme
beaucoup plus eleve que les Nord-Americains (si on fait exception
des non-anglophones)!  Je pensais que, outre l'absence de prejuge
defavorable (du genre: on n'aime pas les anglais, alors on absorbe
moins bien la langue anglaise), il fallait aussi une oreille justement
souple pour etre plus parfaitement bilingue.

Une autre illusion perdue?

-- 
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 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
\_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie
Newsgroups: can.francais
From: jpbiss@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jean-Pierre Bissonette)
Subject: Dictionnaires electroniques pour Macintosh
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:09:53 GMT

	Je suis a la recherche d'un dictionnaire electronique qui serait
compatible avec le traitement de texte Microsoft Word, version 4, pour
les ordinateurs Macintosh.  Microsoft n'a que les dictionnaires electro-
niques compatibles avec la version 5.0.

	Connaissez-vous des produits, de tierces compagnies, qui pourraient
faire mon affaire?  Veilliez poster vos reponses, sur courier electronique
de preference, a: j_pierre@phy.lrcc.uwo.ca

	Merci d'avance!

			Jean-Pierre B.