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From: "doug powless" <doug.powless@canrem.com>
Subject: what to name a male black
Reply-To: "doug powless" <doug.powless@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:35:17 EST


HKWell, I've loved reading what you've all thought about male
HK white kittens, how about male Black kittens. :)

HK-- Laura

        Personally, I like 'em!  <G>

        I've had exactly one (1) in my life and he was the craziest,
        cutest animal alive.  I called him Spooky, which seemed to fit.

        He would have little wrestling matches with my hand - sometimes
        I'm not sure just WHO won, but it was fun.  He was gentle and
        retracted his claws whenever he touched anybody (except during
        our wrestling matches). 

        He was gentle and never stopped being a kitten, even up to the
        time we had to put him down.  We had him eight years.

        Good luck with your kitten(s?) Laura!


               
                Doug Powless 
                Oshawa, Ontario Canada   
               
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin)
Subject: Re: My shoes have fallen victim!
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:44:07 GMT

In <lftmaiINNl0a@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> avi@rix.Corp.Sun.COM (Ann Adamcik) writes:

>In article 720978619@iros1, berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume) writes:
>>Help!!! Kinski has developed a nasty habit of chewing off the ends
>>of some of my shoelaces!  I now can't wear one pair of shoes 
><stuff deleted>

>>Does anyone have any suggestions in preventing her from doing this
>>anymore?

>Sure.  Keep your shoes in the closet...

Buy shoes you can slip on or with velcro tapes?  :-) :-) :-)

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: Stephen P. Garcia <garcia@tmc.tulane.edu>
Subject: Prescription Diets
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Organization: Tulane Medical School
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:25:36 GMT

   My 17 1/2 year old cat has finally started showing some signs of
ageing, to wit: kidney problems. The vet put him on a prescription diet
whose key elements are low protein, low ash, and low phosphorus. Problem
is that the cat absolutely hates this stuff and refuses to eat it, even
if it's wrapped in all those things he adores like tuna or chicken, etc.
He won't eat anything that has that stuff in it. There's nothing I can do
to disguise the diet food. Question: is there any dietary cat food with
the needed ingredients that's edible on its own merits?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 13 Nov 1992 10:27:28 CST
From: <U30644@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: My roommate broke my kitten's leg!!!!

In article <40840@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew
Harrington) says:

>The problem is dealing with the roommate.  She is from Ecuador, and
>from what I've heard, Latins aren't generally kind to animals.

This is a very ignorant and uninformed statement.  Where have you "heard"
this information?  As a "Latin" with three cats I am offended by your
blatant generalization.

The problem you have is that this PERSON is not kind to animals.  Please
try to refrain from casting any specific ethnic group in a bad light.
Some people would consider this racist.

Joel Sanchez
University of Illinois of Chicago







Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: wd6cmu@netcom.com (Eric Williams)
Subject: Re: "weird" cat things
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:24:26 GMT

Sounds normal to me.  Cats seem to like to crawl inside things, and
Murphy will often play "cave cat" and crawl under the covers of my bed.
Since I would do the same thing as a kid and never come close to
asphyxiation, I don't think there's any danger of a cat running out
of air.
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From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Help!  How to get car oil off my kitty
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa,na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.230728.5327@vexcel.com>, tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer) writes:
> As a result on one of her outdoor romps last night she decided to get
> a bunch of car oil on her back.  
> Does anybody out there know of a way to get the oil off her 

There is no way to do it without A Bath. Even if you got something that could
remove the oil by just wiping, you'd want to wash that off her afterwards!

I read on this group recently that the people who had to clean all those
birds in Alaska after the oil spill used Dawn dishwashing detergent. It
supposedly worked very well. I expect you'll still have to do a bit of
scrubbing, though. Pity she probably won't associate the worst bath of her 
life with the oil - it might have taught her a lesson. :-)

In article <1992Nov5.023635.1@stsci.edu> lhuffman@stsci.edu writes:
>Let's see...  cold, cars, toxic oil. How about keeping her inside?

Yes, now there's an *excellent* way to get the oil off her fur!

This *may* be a good idea in general, but it isn't going to help after the 
fact. Do we have to seize every opportunity to preach our private gospel?
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu (Cassandra Brooks)
Subject: Re: kitten problem
Reply-To: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 01:38:51 GMT



Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: liana@nexus.yorku.ca (Liana Becker)
Subject: Pet Insurance
Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:41:57 GMT

Hi,

	We are thinking of moving to a house and we are concerned that our
little devil will get outside and one of those times get sick or hurt.  We're
not planning on it, its just that she can move real fast especially when your
arms are full.  Everytime we've been to the vet we pick up the folders for
Pet Insurance, aprox $8 a month for coverage for illness or accident and we
think that maybe this would be a good idea...but up until now we've been poor
students without money but now we can afford it and we are wondering if anyone
has had insurance and did they make use of it and what they thought of it.
	The last time Spirit got sick the vet knew that we couldn't afford
the treatments and billed things differently (hospital stay as boarding, the
IV came under boarding etc) she really gave us a break (what a terriffic vet!).
And now we're thinking about insurance as we still couldn't afford a big bill
and I don't want to rely on our vets good nature......

Liana and Spirit
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: cats
From: onda@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:51:18 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College


		i am really bored 
		i hate dogs i love cats
		'nuff said
		
		jason
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Subject: Re: Reusable litter & vomiting
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:33:00 GMT

>, "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> While we were using the scoop litter, my cat was always trying to vomit.
|>  I always thought he just had an everlasting cold.  I was wrong.  I
|> decided to try and switch since the dust irritated my husbands sinuses. 
|> I swithed to fresh step, and boy what a difference.  Jester no longer
|> wheezes like he is trying to get rid of a hairball.  In fact, I switched
|> about 6 months ago, and he hasn't had an attack since.  IMO, the
|> scoopable litter causes more problems (physically) than its worth.  I
|> also think it is easier to deal with the other kind of litter!
|> 
|> Susan and Jester
|> 
I never thought about this before.  Tess (my one and only) coughs every
once in a while (I notice about 1/week)), like she has a furball, but she
hasn't coughed one up yet.  I wonder if the scoopable litter has anything
to do with it.  Now I'm using the Everclean LT (less tracking), and the
granules are much larger.  Unfortunately it is also expensive.

I guess I'll have to keep a close eye on the situation.

	Ann

-- 

Ann M. Davis
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ef557023@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Liz Frush)
Subject: Anastasia died...
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:38:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University Engineering

This is a warning to any of you who have chubby kitties.  My kitty and I
moved into a house with 8 wonderful cats, making nine, and after the preliminary
territorial spats, all the kitties got along wonderfully. (my kitty is having
the time of her life with all these new playmates!!!)
One of my housemate's kitties (Anastasia) was about 2 pounds overweight. 
She just died recently (at the age of 3) of severe liver damage.  My mom 
(a veterinarian) as well as the vet who cared for Anastasia believed the
cause of the liver damage being due to the fact that she was overweight, and
then for some reason stopped eating (possibly due to new members of the household)
This can be a serious danger for overweight cats because when the cat
stops eating, the liver tries to metabolize their fat, and usually does it
quite unsuccessfully.  Anastasia's liver was marbled with fat when she died.
Because both my housemate and I took turns feeding the kitties, neither of 
us noticed that Anastasia hadn't been participating in dinnertime for 
quite a while. (upon looking back we realized that that had been the case).  
If we had noticed this sooner, or Anastasia hadn't been as chubby, we probably 
could have saved her.  
My urge is that if anyone with a chubby cat notices any abrubt changes in
feeding, to do something immediately!!!  Or even better, consult your vet
about putting your kitty on a diet.  It is very sad when a kitty dies, but
it's even worse when you know you could have possibly prevented it!

Liz... (and our 8 wonderful fur-balls!!!)
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: College students
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:05:07 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <764SB1D4@cc.swarthmore.edu>, dedward1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Deirdre) writes:
> OK, I'm new to the net, and while reading the pieces in this group (which I
> love, great people, great input), I keep running across references to the
> "dreaded college student".  I am a student.  I have never, and have no
> plans to, abandon or abuse any animal,cat or otherwise, merely being in
> college hasn't changed my character.  I understand why the stereotype
> exists. ... .  I don't
> consider companions to be disposable.  OK, that was my spiel.  Thanks for
> reading

Hi, Deidre!
  Yes, there are lots and lots of college students like you that miss their
animals, and would be good to any animal they took in.  Unfortunately,
those of us who have been around colleges for awhile know that there are
a certain group that will dump this year's pet when they leave for vacation,
take a job somewhere else, or just find a new place that doesn't allow pets.
I can count on finding several obviously well cared for cats when
the university lets out in the spring.  They're disoriented, obviously
don't have territories, and may not even know how to hunt.  Most of the
cats I've taken in over the years have been dumped or abused...

  So yes, even though it's not that many years (4) since I was a "dreaded
college student", I really check out any college student that wants one
of my cats-- and I insist that they return the cat to me if they can't 
keep it.  As usual, the sins of the few are attributed to the many.

  And regarding dumping of unwanted animals, there are very few things that
make my bloodpressure rise faster than abuse or dumping.  I wish for these
people painful, debilitating and nonfatal illnesses, and a poison ivy plant
that follows wherever they go.  1/2 ;-)

  Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Help!  How to get car oil off my kitty
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:30:29 -0600
Distribution: usa,na
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov5.023635.1@stsci.edu>, lhuffman@stsci.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.230728.5327@vexcel.com>, tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer) writes:
>> Well my kitty appears to have decided that the nice warm underside
>> of a car is a good place to hang out and rub her back against.
>> As a result on one of her outdoor romps last night she decided to get
>> a bunch of car oil on her back.  Giving Zerbina a bath tends to be a
>> tramatic experience, (for all concerned), although she loves water, 
>> (she plays in the sink with the water slightly on), she doesn't really 
>> want to get into it.  
>>> Does anybody out there know of a way to get the oil off her without the
>> bathing experience we both enjoy so much?
> 
> Let's see...  cold, cars, toxic oil. How about keeping her inside?

Yes, used motor oil is considered toxic to cats.  *Don't let her groom
herself to get the oil off.*  Baths (try Dawn dishwashing detergent) or
clipping are the only ways out.  You might be able to get most of the
motor oil out by rubbing vegetable oil into her fur and then blotting
up the mess with paper towels-- you'll still have to follow it with
soap and water.

If your cat is attracted to the heat of engines, you've got a much more
immediate problem, though.  If she crawls up into an engine that's
warm, and someone starts the car, there's a good chance she won't survive
the encounter with a fan blade, alternator belt, etc.  Hate to be 
so graphic, but car engines have killed lots of cats.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu (Cassandra Brooks)
Subject: Re: is my cat going to be okay?
Reply-To: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:24:09 GMT


I would have a vet look at her just in case.

Cassandra
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: judith@super.org (Judith D. Schlesinger)
Subject: Kitten update
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:03:37 GMT

Well, I promised an update when the hissing stopped but at this rate,
that might never happen.  *Sigh*.  So, since BBs 12 weeks today, I 
decided to post a quick update now.

BBs great!  She's so cute, it's unbelievable.  She's still tiny but
gained a pound since her last visit to the vet and the vet thinks
that's perfect.

Sarah and Charlie are still hissing and growling but I think (hope)
they're weakening.  BB now has full run of the house, 24 hours a day,
and so is sleeping with me.  Well, with her on the bed, neither Sarah
nor Charlie wants to be there.  Sarah's starting to be a little miffed
at not sleeping with me so I think she might be starting to rethink
the situation.

It's really funny to watch them all.  BB chases the big guys.  I think
she wants to play but they run away from her.  And, the more she chases
them the worse it gets.  If she would just sit still for a little while
(right!) maybe they'd approach her and get to like her.  

Anyway, if anyone has any good ideas on how to make the big guys like
her, I'm all ears (as the expression goes ;-}).  In the meantime,
everyone's fine and everyone still loves mom (thank goodness).  So,
we just keep muddling along, waiting for a miracle to happen.

All for now--

Judith and Charlie and Sarah and BB

Oh, I nearly forgot.  I saw BBs brother, Dickens (as in "run like the ..."
and Charles), this weekend.  He's growing into a very debonair Manhattan
cat.  He's got to be almost double BBs size at this point.  Dickens gets
along wonderfully with his big brother Sydney.  It took all of about 2
days for *that* to happen.  Am I jealous! 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Kitty's 1st christmas!
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:02:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.120056.9798@news.cs.indiana.edu>, "angela allen" <angie@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
> janet@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>>our cat (9 months in December) will be experiencing his first
>>Christmas this year. Any suggestions how we can keep our Christmas
>>tree and our sanity in tact?
> 
> It may seem to crimp your style to have to arrange the tree so
> differently just because of the cats. The way I see it, the tree is
> for family enjoyment, and the cats will probably enjoy it even more
> than the humans (especially if it's smelly, i.e. real). 


Enjoy it!?  ENJOY IT!?  I came home one day to find them carrying the tree on
their backs through the house singing 'HIGH HO! HIGH HO! Now all we need is 
snow...' 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: holmbeck@cs.weber.edu (Holmbeck)
Subject: What to name a male BLACK kitten...
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:36:36 GMT

Keywords: 

Well, I've loved reading what you've all thought about male
 white kittens, how about male Black kittens. :)

-- Laura


-- 
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 holmbeck@csulx.weber.edu / laura@glia.biostr.washington.edu
From: cwaite@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Kitty's 1st christmas!
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:00:57 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Some other suggestions for Christmas:
Put the tree up and don't decorate it for a day or two, until the cat gets
used to it;  that way she won't demolish it and the decorations, too!  This
worked well with my cats (in fact, they played more with the little artificial
tree I had than with the real one...go figure)

I found that putting the unbreakable ornaments on the bottom worked well;
if the cat doesn't climb, you can put the fancier ones on top.

Be very careful of the ribbons on the gifts, especially the thin "curling"
ribbon;  like tinsel, they can cause intestinal obstruction if swallowed.

Make sure you cover up the water in the tree stand, esp. if you put any
additives in the water;  many cats like to crawl under the tree and drink the
water.

"Cat Fancy"  magazine usually has many holiday tips in the December issue.

One last suggestion;  if you wrap up a box of "bonkers" or "pounce" or other
treat don't put it under the tree, unless of course you want kitty to open it
early and eat the whole box!  A friend had this experience with her cats..
.
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Another tiny breakthrough
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:06:00 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

Both cats on my lap at the same time!  (I've had KC for 5 years, Oreo for 2,
and KC's had a hard time forgiving me for getting Oreo.)

Last night I was sitting on my couch reading, and KC curled up on my lap.
Oreo came over and stood on my lap, but KC nipped him (another breakthrough,
Oreo's usually dominant and KC has never stood up to him before) and he
ran off.  A few minutes later, he very gingerly tiptoed back to the sofa,
and onto my lap.  Still moving very very slowly, he curled up on the
remaining bit of my lap, *actually touching* KC.  KC looked at him, then
went back to sleep.  Oreo purred, then also went to sleep.  Yay!  I finally
get all 25 pounds of cat in my lap at the same time!

Those of you who wonder about adopting adult cats when you already have
adult cats:  hang in there, it may take quite a while, but they do eventually
adapt

------
Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
                             ^^^^ please note addition to address 
                 "Hatred is not a family value"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu (Cassandra Brooks)
Subject: Re: Kitty comfort during the winter
Reply-To: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 01:35:13 GMT



Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: help! how do I keep this cat out of my closet
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:06:35 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov7.190835.8489@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton) writes:
>> at881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (N. Nelson) writes:
>>>
>>>   Recently Spanky has gotten to the stage of "isn't it fun to
>>>get into the closet and dangle from mommy's velvet/silk/anything
>>>expensive dress?" The closet is a typical double sliding door
>>>type. I can't find a way to keep him from opening it! There
>>>isn't anywhere else in this matchbox (apartment) to keep those
>>>important items, either.
>
>> How about using a couple of rods to keep the doors from sliding?  Along the 
>
>A tension rod, like a spring shower rod, ought to to do it.
>
>Another possibility, if these are wooden doors, is to drill a small and
>inconspicuous hole through the doors where they overlap when they are
>closed, then slip a long, thin nail into the hole so the doors can't
>be moved.
>
>Kinda like the method of drilling into wooden double-hung windows to
>make them burglarproof.
>
A method we used was to place something non-dangerous to fall out and surprise
the cat when the closet door was opened.  A couple times of having its wits
startled of it... the behaviour stopped.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: steveg@teal.csn.org (Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra)
Subject: Re: Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
Keywords: first cat-elect
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:14:24 GMT

In article <H.ea.4I0twwcVa_M@harvee.billerica.ma.us> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:
>>> 
>>>A 21 can salute to the soon-to-be-resident cat in the White House,
>>>Socks!  When (if ever) was the last time there was a cat in the
>>>White House?

  But the real question is, what is the first cat-elect going to do once
he gets into the White House?  Or are we going to have just another run of
the mill lazy cat, who lays around in the sun and chases a few mice now and
then?

  Does he have a social agenda ?  Socks, your constituency eagerly awaits
your first meows !!


   STeve

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