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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:43:32 EST
From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: help from ohio?

The Genealogy list on Internet idea reminds me that there are several
genealogy echoes on FidoNet. I suspect WWIV and VirtualNet have them
as well. All these are accessible from any home computer and modem IF
there's a BBS within calling range which uses them.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:59:59 -0400
From:         WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      Re: election day comment

Unfortunatly, I must admit that I heard this quote via that great Canadian game
   Trivial Pursuit

Salut
Giuliano Valentino
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:49:35 GMT
From:         "kate o'reilly" <KATE@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Pre-colonial America to 1700
Comments: To: history@IRLEARN.UCD.IE

Fellow Historians,

I have to write a fairly substantial essay on pioneering women, women
and the family and/or emigrant women. I still havent decided the exact title
but my sources are fairly restricted. If any of you know of books, titles,
articles anything at all on the subject I would be very grateful if you
would let me have them. This is the first time I have used this system -
perhaps its apparent in the codes but I am located at U.C.D. Dublin.

Thanks a lot,


 Kate
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:42:00 CDT
From:         Peter Davis <AXTHEPD@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Graduate schools

      In light of recent salary schedules for history professors in the US
 published by the AHA, my advice is to dump history and go to business school.
 Just a thought.

 PA Davis
 U of Illinois
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:51:42 EST
From:         Ed Haupt <haupt@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC
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Try Pecos Bill.
Edward J. Haupt
snail:                                    voice: 1(201) 893-4327
Department of Psychology               internet: haupt@pilot.njin.net
Montclair State College                  bitnet: haupt@njin
1 Normal Ave.
Upper Montclair, NJ 07043-1624
                      USA
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
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Subject: Re: Graduate schools
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:04:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

as one who well appreciates the situation which the inquirer finds
himself--i.e. losing many nights of sleep to both worry and the
additional work that the application process requires--might i suggest
that some more concrete recommendations be made?

-- 
--- bob pasker
---- rbp@netcom.com
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:40:51 CST
From:         Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      U.S. Documents
Comments: To: L-CHA@uqam.BITNET, history@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

	I have added a number of documents pertaining to the
history of the United States to the anonymous FTP site at
Ra.Msstate.edu. They can be found in docs/history/documents.us.
Some of the files are in zip format; they must be retrieved
in BINARY format. The _Federalist Papers_, for example, are
stored in binary format.
	Most of the files are in ASCII, including _The
Scarlet Letter_, "I Have a Dream," and the monroe doctrine.
	I have not updated the filelist stored in docs/history
but will do so as soon as possible. I did want to alert users
to the additional resources now available.
	In docs/history/documents.uk, one can find the Magna
Carta. In docs/history/documents.fr, one can find The Rights
of Man.


Don Mabry
Mississippi State University
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:59:00 PST
From:         MEYERR@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Subject:      Frederick II (the Great)
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A biography published in 1986 FREDERICK THE GREAT: THE MAGNIFICENT ENIGMA
by Robert B. Asprey should suit your interests since it is very good on battles.
The author is a former US Marine.  He is less explicit on Frederick's personal
life although he does mention that the female love of Frederick's later life was
 a ballerina from Italy admired by the monarch, said Voltaire, because her legs
 resembled those of a boy.
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From:         MICHAEL STRANGELOVE <441495@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>
Subject:      Quoting E-mail Addresses

I have a section in a network-accessible document that lists the
e-mail addresses of authors of networked files.  I am now wondering if
doing so         puts me at risk of breaching some privacy law somewhere.
It should be noted that I have taken these e-mail addresses from
publicly accessible information sources on the Net, but I have not asked
permission to reproduce the e-mail addresses.

Is it absolutely necessary to obtain permission to reproduce such information
under these circumstances?


Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa

         BITNET: 441495@Uottawa
         Internet: 441495@Acadvm1.Uottawa.CA
         S-Mail: 177 Waller, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 CANADA
         Voice:  (613) 747-0642
         FAX:    (613) 564-6641
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:44:37 EST
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From:         LEARYJ@SNYCORVA.BITNET
Subject:      E-amil

Since i am writing an article for my school paper on e-mail, I decided
it would be best to research via E-amil.  I need to know any facts
about the beginig of e-mail, how many(guesstimate)high school student
use it.  Any other tidbits, your feeling on the use of e-mail, and
what role you think it will play in the
growing communication mediums?  Please reply quickley, I'm on a
deadline:-)
Alex Leary
learyj@snycorva
From: jodonnel@sas.upenn.edu ((James J. O'Donnell))
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Subject: PMC/OUP
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:55:50 GMT
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I also admire OUP's willingness to take on PMC without disrupting the
existing e-arrangements.  The lesson, I think, is that electronic
publication should not and need not be thought of as replacing paper
publication, but rather as doing something quite different.  There will be
cases where the e-version will render the paper version unmarketable, I
suppose, but in the long term the impact of e-information on production of
printed matter is very hard to calculate.  The printed book did not put
the un-printed word out of business, indeed rather seems to have
stimulated demand and use in such a way that a far wider audience achieved
the necessary conditions of literacy and concern to use the techniques.
At any rate, in the short term, the reasonable concern is to target e- and
paper products to the audiences they can best reach and see what symbiosis
can emerge.  The OUP/PMC consortium looks like a well-thought-out effort
in that direciton.

Jim O'Donnell
(ed., Bryn Mawr Classical Review)
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From:         Howard Pasternack <BLIPS15@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PMC/OUP


After January, 1993, will the electronic version of Postmodern Culture
continue to be "free".
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From:         "(EPO)" <EPO.JOURNALS@PRESS.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PMC/OUP

Paul Gherman asks about the financial support of an e-journal and
the Oxford/Post-Modern Culture arrangement.  Is OUP "publishing"
this journal?  It sounds more like what we would call
"distributing."  What exactly will OUP be doing for the journal?
Paying for copy-editing or editorial office expenses, or just the
order-processing and marketing expenses?

It will be very interesting to see if it is possible to sell
microfiche of something that is freely available over the
internet.  If it succeeds, this will be a useful addition to the
already wide range of possible arrangements between publishers
and journals.

I do wonder about the applicability of this model to larger
journals, particularly in equations/tables/graphics intensive
disciplines.  I doubt, for example, that we could sell enough
microfiche of the Astrophysical Journal & Supplement to pay for
the five full-time copy-editors that prepare its 20,000 pages per
year, even if we were to dispense with typesetting, printing, and
mailing.

Evan Owens
Information Systems Manager
Journals Division
The University of Chicago Press
internet: eowens@press.uchicago.edu
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From:         Debra Schneider <DSCHNEID@INDYSTTI.BITNET>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP

There are many books and journals available in CD-ROM format.  For example,
I have a catalog on my desk from Continuing Medical Education Associates
that containsCD-ROMS of twenty five medical textbooks, the PDR, dozens
of medical journals (e.g. New England Journal of Medicine, American
Family Physician, Scientific American Medicine Consult.  They do not
list the search software, but I assume it comes with the disks.

While I don't have any cites handy, there are several good CD-ROM
directories out there.  Also, Meckler Press publishes a journal
called CD-ROM Librarian which reviews new CD-ROM products.  Ask
your librarian :-)
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:29:43 EST
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From:         Ron May <ENMAY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Electronic Journals

Greetings.  Will someone inform me as to the purpose of vpiej-l?
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From:         Gerald=Ruderman%HQ%Rational@Vines1.ratsys.com
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP

In: <9211091434.AA06602@relay1.UU.NET>
Christopher Locke said:

>fwiw, I went out and bought (for $2250) the 20-volume Oxford English
>Dictionary *after* getting absolutely free (for a book I was writing)
>the same information on CD-ROM.  Go figure.

I am curious abou this. If this isn't appropriate for the group can we go to
email?

What made you do this? Can you exclude reasons, such as not having a player?
Do you use the CD-ROM now that you have the hard copy?

Gerald Ruderman
geraldr@ratsys.com
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From:         Paul Gherman <GHERMAN@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PMC/OUP

Thanks for your answer John. I hope you don't think I am " on your case"q
with all of my questions. What PMC has done is very interesting to the
whole e-publishing community. I am on another list called Pub-Club which
you may not have heard of. It is populated by a number of publishers some
of whom are in the for-profit sector. They have been very interested in
your new arrangement. Would you mind if I shared your message with them?
Paul.
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From:         Stevan Harnad <harnad@Princeton.EDU>
Subject:      APA support of PSYCOLOQUY

While everyone is pondering the motives (to my mind admirable) of
Oxford University Press in their recent decision to distribute/publish
Post-Modern Culture, I'd like to point out that since its inception
PSYCOLOQUY has been supported by an annual grant from the American
Psychological Association (Science Directorate and Office of
Communications and Publication).

The APA is perhaps the largest (paper) publisher of psychological
journals in the world (and its fleet includes the most distinguished
ones); it also publishes many books. Although quite aware of the
economic tension between paper and electronic journals, the APA, as a
learned society committed to the advancement of inquiry in psychology,
has extended its support for this new medium -- unhesitantly and
without imposing any constraints -- in the interests precisely of its
mandate: communication, publication, science.

I might add that if we had to charge for the equivalent of this
subsidy, the current annual cost of PSYCOLOQUY would amount to 50 cents
per year per reader (currently about 2500 on Bitnet and about 17,500
on Usenet according to Arbitron sampling). I think the scholarly and
scientific community is best served if the real costs of publishing its
electronic journals are covered in this pre-emptive way. Another good
model is the university-library-press model of which the OUP initiative
is an instance (free electronically, for fee in supplementary optional
forms such as disk and microfiche). A third is the model from some of
the natural sciences, where the author's research grants are used to
pay page-charges for publication. Let a thousand non-profit flowers
bloom. What I am more skeptical about is pricier efforts based on
costly emulations of inessential features of the old paper model.

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Stevan Harnad
Editor, Behavioral & Brain Sciences, PSYCOLOQUY

Department of Psychology     |    Laboratoire Cognition et Mouvement
Princeton University         |    URA CNRS 1166
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From:         Ron <ENMAY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
              10 Nov 1992 09:03:09 EST from
              <Gerald=Ruderman%HQ%Rational@Vines1.ratsys.com>

I would be interested to know where the O.E.D. was published on CD Rom.

Who has the jump on publishing texts on CD Rom?  And what software are they
using?  And what texts are being published?
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From:         Chris Locke <chris@support.avalanche.com>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP

fwiw, I went out and bought (for $2250) the 20-volume Oxford English
Dictionary *after* getting absolutely free (for a book I was writing)
the same information on CD-ROM.  Go figure.


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From:         "Charles Bailey, University of Houston" <LIB3@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PMC/OUP
              9 Nov 1992 09:31:16 EST from <EPO.JOURNALS@PRESS.UCHICAGO.EDU>

The Public-Access Computer Systems Review, a refereed e-journal, is
distributed in print form as an annual by the Library and
Information Technology Association (LITA).  The UH Libraries donate all
potential profits from this venture to LITA, which is the primary
professional association that deals with computer use in libraries.
Walt Crawford donates his time to produce camera-ready copy for the annual
using Ventura Publisher.  The UH Libraries hold the copyright to the
collective work; authors hold the copyright to their articles.

For further information, send the following message to LISTSERV@UHUPVM1:
GET PACSNEWS V3N9.

Best Regards,
Charles

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| Assistant Director For Systems     FAX:   (713) 743-9748   |
| University Libraries               BITNET: LIB3@UHUPVM1    |
| University of Houston              Internet:               |
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From:         Editors of PMC <PMC@NCSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PMC/OUP

Paul:

The bottom line, as far as copyright is concerned, is that intellectual
property and commercial property are not necessarily the same thing:
I don't know exactly how our copyright statement will look, but I think
we can protect both interests.  As for free networked publication,
value-added versions of the journal are the long-term key to cost-recovery:
disk and fiche add a certain value for some subscribers, and there is a
fee for these versions; later, we hope to be able to provide a value-added
version on the network, with graphics capability and increased search
capabilities--there will be some fee for that as well, even though the
raw ascii will continue to be available for free.  Part of our work over
the next couple of years will be to investigate cost-recovery models for
more sophisticated networked publishing, and in that effort we're not
starting with any preconceptions as to pricing, subscription vs. pay-per-
use models, etc..

I think it's to Oxford's credit that they have demonstrated a willingness
to risk the experiment, and I do hope this helps the rest of us to dis-
tinguish between the attitudes/interests of non-profit university presses,
on the one hand, and for-profit publishers on the other: we (academics)
tend to lump them all together as potential adversaries, and that isn't
necessarily wise or correct.  If networked publishing of scholarly research
is going to advance and develop, and particularly if non-profit models are
really going to take root, publishers do have something to offer.  Some
editors may be willing to run all aspects of their journals, from subscriber
services to publicity to soliciting, screening, reviewing, editing, and
proofreading text, but others may find it a relief to have assistance in
some of these tasks.  I expect a range of solutions to emerge, and I hope
the PMC/OUP solution will serve as one viable model.

John Unsworth
Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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From:         Raleigh Muns <SRCMUNS@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP

Another good source for CD-ROMs is Meckler Publishing's CD-ROMS IN PRINT.
The current edition is almost as big as the St. Louis telephone book.

Raleigh C. Muns / Reference Librarian / Thomas Jefferson Library
University of Missouri-St. Louis / SRCMUNS@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU

Standard disclaimer about all opinions being mine and not the University
of Missouri's, etc.thing, e
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From:         Paul Gherman <GHERMAN@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PMC/OUP

What I find interesting is that Oxford U. Press could make a business case
for publishing a journal which will be free via the net and will maintain
a copyright policy such as yours. Do they really think this is a good business
deal? If so, many other publishers should take note since the common
assumption would be that one could not financially support an e-journal under
these conditions.

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From:         Editors of PMC <PMC@NCSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PMC/OUP

Howard (and others who have asked this question):

Apparently our announcement was unintentionally ambiguous.  Yes, after
January 1993, and indefinitely, the electronic-mail version of PMC will
continue to be distributed free of charge; free ftp access will also be
offered, as it is now.  Others have asked whether the disk and fiche are
new--they are not: we've distributed disk and fiche since the beginning,
at the same rates quoted in our announcement.  No one has asked about
copyright yet, but since that's an issue likely to be of interest on this
list, I'll just add that our copyright policy will continue essentially
unchanged: copyright for items published in PMC will be assigned to the
author, as it now is.

John Unsworth
Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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