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From: franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione)
Subject: Brewer Thirdbasemen (was Re: Catchers, Mil. Brewers)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:44:34 GMT

paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>   <stuff deleted>
>>	Then what happens to Seitzer?  I think Surhoff will be better off
>>somewhere else.  He is a decent player, and could bring in a good pitcher for
>>the brew-hahas.  
>>
>>	Just wondering, because I happen to have Seitzer on my team (and has
>>proceeded to blow chunks the past month or so!)
>>
>   Phil Garner loves a guy like Seitzer who is just dying to do well every
>   time he plays. I just don't know if he has the talent to be a full-time
>   starter though. I think Nilsson at C and Surhoff at 3B will be a definite
>   possibility for the Brewhas next year. It's all just as guess though. I'm
>   sure Bando will be making more moves over the offseason.

>   My personal guess is that Seitzer will be a part-time player next year
>   if he's still on the team.

>   --salty

>>					-JS
>>					-Santa Fe 69ers

What about Jim Tatum, 3bman at AAA Denver?  The guy is tearing up AAA,
at least as much as Jaha was.

Anyway, does anyone know if Tatum figures in the long range Brewer
plans?

John Franjione
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Bret Boone alert
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:11:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.235853.24297@microsoft.com> chrisdr@microsoft.com (Chris Dragich) writes:
>Word is that Bret Boone will be called up around Friday.
>The report is that Reynolds will play in the series this
>week against Baltimore, since the Orioles are now supposedly
>interested in Reynolds. Then, when the M's go against
>Boston on Friday, it'll be Boone.
>
>No matter when Boone gets called up, when it does happen
>HE WILL BE THE 2ND BASEMAN, and will play every day.
>At the very latest, this will happen on Sept.1, but it
>might happen earlier, possibly as early as this weekend,
>if the newest report is correct.
>
>As you can figure, when Boone is called up, Reynolds PT
>will drop to near zero, unless he is traded.
>
   I don't know absolutely everything about the situation, but one thing
   I do know for sure is that Boone was called up about a week ago and got
   a hit in his first game. The big story on ESPN that night was three
   generations of Boone's playing in the majors.
From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: September Call-ups.
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:21:14 GMT
Organization: OCD IC MFG

Sorry, no info on those AL'ers, but

I expect (hope?) that Dave Staton will be called up for the Padres.  I'd
love to see that bat in the lineup, no matter how bad the glove will be in
LF :-)

Any other hot NL'ers?  Remember that expansion will be a factor, limiting
the number of deep-down call-ups (ie. Joey Hamilton will not get a look-see,
even if the Padres are out of it by September 15th, same for Tyler Green).

Lynch "MOB"
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From: a-markov@microsoft.com (Mark Overby)
Subject: Re: Boone called up to Seattle
Date: 24 Aug 92 17:55:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <23935@oasys.dt.navy.mil> heidenre@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Todd Heidenreich) writes:
>
>    When I went to the Orioles game on 19 August, I saw that Boone had
>been called up from the minors to play second base for the Mariners.
>
>    My question for anyone who might know is: Why is he there now?
>Is he going to stay?  Is he going to get any playing time?
>
>    I need to know since I got him in my Minor League draft and need
>to know if he is going to be playing even close to regularly.
>
>Thanks for the info,
>Todd
>
>*****************************************************************
>Todd R. Heidenreich     Code 1261      301-227-1176
>Internet: heidenre@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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>"Sometimes your the windshield; Sometimes your the bug" DS
>*****************************************************************


In answer to your questions....
and to boot, Reynolds becomes a free agent next year and the Mariners really
have no interest in signing him (read: He's old and he can't play worth
beans any longer). He will be the 2nd baseman of the Mariners future and
will be seeing moderate playing time for the rest of the season and will
be seeing (injuries not preventing) the starting role next year...

BTW, good choice, I have seen him play a lot of AAA ball and he is GOOD!!!

Good luck!


Mark
From: dzappala@caldera.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Mike Piazza
Date: 1 Sep 1992 14:39:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: dzappala@caldera.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala)
NNTP-Posting-Host: caldera.usc.edu


In article <BtvpMB.LLn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor) writes:
|> tho, ok?), and the best Piazza could hope for is 40-50 AB for the rest of the
|> year.  LA is wise to keep him down.
|> 	Then again, I'll prolly be proven wrong in tomorrow's paper....(|
|> 
|> Jonny B.


Not only has Piazza been called up, but he went 3-3 in today's game, with
a walk, two singles, and a double, before being taken out for a pinch
runner.  I think this guy is the catcher of the future, with Hernandez
being the backup. 

Not sure how he did behind the plate, but I did hear he threw out Dwight
Smith on one attempted steal.


Daniel
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Brewers to the NL?
Keywords: fantasy impact
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:53:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <19849@drutx.ATT.COM>, tml@druhi.ATT.COM (Tim Larison) writes...
>I heard on the radio today 
                      ^^^^^
	Just today??  That rumor has been preponderent in USA today and on
Baseball Tonight now for some weeks!
	
>that a possible move of the Brewers to the National League is 
>more than just a fantasy - that it
>is being seriously considered.  The Giants would move to the
>American League.
> 
>Any truth to this, Brewer and Giant fans?  This is a general
>baseball question, but it certainly would affect fantasy leagues
>that keep players from year to year.  
> 
>				Tim Larison  att!druhi!tml

	Well, I'm not Giant or Brewer fan (although I wouldn't _mind_ the 
Brew Crew winning the AL east...<-8 ) I don't think this 'fantasy' would
happen.  Hal Bodley of USA Today had a lengthy article (damned if I remember
the exact date) in which he contacted several owners who all either 1) thought
it ridiculous or 2) never even heard of the nonsense.  'Nuff said.

Jonny B.
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: September Call-ups.
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:51:51 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <74780002@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch) writes:
>Sorry, no info on those AL'ers, but
>
>I expect (hope?) that Dave Staton will be called up for the Padres.  I'd
>love to see that bat in the lineup, no matter how bad the glove will be in
>LF :-)

Staton had rotator cuff surgery a week or so ago, he won't
play anymore this year.

-- 
Dave DeMers			 ddemers@UCSD   demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
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Subject: Re: Mike Piazza
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:23:59 MST
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Aug30.121858.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, strauss@uncavx.unca.edu writes:
> Has anyone heard anything about Mike Piazza?  I thought he might come
> up this year, but with Hernandez so good, they might not want to have
> to "protect" him until next year.

He's playing AAA ball with Albuquerque and is hitting impressively.  He's
probably a better hitter than Hernandez.  I don't knowe if his defense is up
to Scioscia-level.  I saw him in game play, batting cleanup. He looked good.

Probably with Karros' success, the Dodgers will be less reluctant to bring
up a guy like Piazza.  If he gets PT in 93, it will probably be as Karros
did....spotty in April and May, steadily increasing after that.  He's a
great prospect for a rookie catcher.
-- 
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f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."
From: tml@druhi.ATT.COM (Tim Larison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Brewers to the NL?
Keywords: fantasy impact
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:45:22 GMT
Distribution: rec

I heard on the radio today that a possible move of the Brewers
to the National League is more than just a fantasy - that it
is being seriously considered.  The Giants would move to the
American League.

Any truth to this, Brewer and Giant fans?  This is a general
baseball question, but it certainly would affect fantasy leagues
that keep players from year to year.  

				Tim Larison  att!druhi!tml
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Subject: Mike Piazza
From: strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:18:58 -0500
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: strauss

Has anyone heard anything about Mike Piazza?  I thought he might come
up this year, but with Hernandez so good, they might not want to have
to "protect" him until next year.

Thanks,
Bob Strauss
strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha)
Subject: Re: Lopsided trades
Keywords:  Burned? Always :-(
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:23:58 GMT

How about these for some great trades (scoresheet)...

In 1990: traded Robin Yount for Bob Welch and Felix Jose before the season
started :-)

91/92 (perpetual league):
in August 1991: Traded Chuck Finley, Mike Mussina, Travis Fryman for
Jack McDowell, Mark Eichhorn, Mike Pags. This of course, before we knew that
Fryman would qualify at SS with an above average defensive range number.Or 
that Mussina would be a star *sigh*

91: traded DeLiner DeLucia for Harold Baines.
    traded Mark Guthrie for Dan Pasqua

off-season 91/92:

traded: Kirby Puckett for Jose Canseco.

92: Charlie Hough for Denny Neagle
    Jose Canseco and Dan Pasqua for Mike Devereaux, Jay Buhner, Shawn Hillegas,
    and 2 2nd round picks in '93.

Well some good and some not so good. 

Anand
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione)
Subject: Cone traded to Blue Jays
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:05:04 GMT

Just heard (at 9:45 MDT):

David Cone was traded to the Toronto Blue Jays for Jeff Kent and a
player to be named later.

John Franjione
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: 93jay@williams.edu (Jonathan Young)
Subject: Help me find these rookies!
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:14:27 GMT

I have just picked up an existing team in a PBM Strat-O-Matic league.
This team has been rebuilding for many years and has a large number of
choice minor league prospects (Chipper Jones, Mike Kelly, Sam
Millitello etc..) but there are several that I have been unable to
track down. If anyone knows anything about any of these names please
email or post. Thanks.

Todd Johnson
Shannon Jones
Trevor Malloy
Sean Mulligan
Dante Powell
Greg Thomas
Antone Williamson
Jason Zimbauer

Also does anyone know the contract status of Darren Dreifort? Did he
go back to college? Also what is up with Jack Howell? Did someone take
him out back and shoot him in the head?

Thanks for any info. the rookies are the hope of this team - when I
took it over the team's batting average was just slighty over its
winning pct.
.202 - .200 with the old 5.95 ERA 

Jonathan Young
Williams College
From: ibiggs@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Ian Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: REQUEST:  FTP sites for e-mail baseball info
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:08:52 GMT
Organization: Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency (ACOA)


Hopefully someone will be able to help find an ftp site where I can get 
rules, addresses, and other information, general or specific, on the 
joining of an internet fantasy baseball league.

Any help, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thankx.

Kevin Crawford			"This is another good night for not
Acadia University		sleeping in an euclyptus tree."
890191c@dragon.acadiau.ca	
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Mike Piazza
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 02:38:05 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <BtxFqL.62L@acsu.buffalo.edu> v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor) writes:
>> 
>>Not sure how he did behind the plate, but I did hear he threw out Dwight
>>Smith on one attempted steal.
>> 
>
>	Piazza??  Throwing out someone??  The stars must be in alignment!
>I'm going out to buy my lottery ticket!!  (:
>

<sighing at yet another application of the Nichols Law of Catcher Defense>


-- 
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Lopsided Trades
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:52:40 GMT


My favorite one occured last year around the All-Star break:

Wells ($9), Swindell ($11), and Hill ($7)
for
Griffey ($21), Navarro ($2), and Olin ($7)

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: September callup lists - where?
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:05:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.200051.25534@ee.gatech.edu>, eric@eedsp.gatech.edu (Eric Hyche) writes...
>Where can I get a complete list of September callups
>for all NL teams. The Atlanta paper only has Braves
>callups and a few other teams scattered here and there.

	I'm not sure, but this week's Baseball Weekly *might* have all the
callups.

Jonny B.
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Sports Draft Concept L. B.
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:44:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug25.195236.5090@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, buchhosd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Scott D Buchholz) writes...
>At the beginning I signed up in this league (or some other similar name)
>from an advertisement in USA Today. I was supposed to get a report on or
>near the 20th of every month, but here it is the 25th and I haven't
>heard anything yet.  Is there anybody else out there signed up in this,
	Yeah, Scott....I signed up in the 'L.B. Sports' thing here --
gawd..(just thinking about the "team" I put together (puke)).

	I DO receive my stats from them...sometimes they're late with them, like this month (August).  But if you've received previous months' stats, 
just bear with it.  Besides, I didn't see your name in the list
of winners, anyway..... (|

Later!

Jonny B.
From: elliott@village.princeton.edu (Elliott Slater)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: JOe Magrane - called up?
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:48:45 GMT
Organization: The Village
Originator: news@nimaster

Hi, all.

  Was Joe Magrane called up on or about September 1st? The Mets announcers 
mentioned that he was, but as an information source they're about as
reliable as Radio Baghdad. 

  Whether the Cards will actually use Joe or whether his rebuilt arm will
stand the strain, are all questions to be decided...

 -elliott
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Kevin Gross to bullpen??
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:12:43 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: rec
Keywords: I hope not

In article <19627@drutx.ATT.COM> tml@druhi.ATT.COM (Tim Larison) writes:
>I read today that, despite his no hitter, Kevin Gross may be moved
>to the bullpen by the Dodgers when Candiotti is activated this week.
>Any truth to this, Dodger fans?
>
It's possible.  Pistachio...er...Pedro Astacio is hot in the rotation, and Gross
was going to be bumped even before his no-no.  Astacio's performance in LA is
the key, since Ojeda, Hershiser, Candiotti and Ramon are definitely staying in
the rotation.  Moving Astacio to the pen is an option, except that in AAA, he
was pitched out of the pen to begin the season and had something like a 6.50
ERA, as opposed to about half that as a starter.  Gross, on the other hand, is
more mentally prepared to come out of the pen than Pistachio, though that can
be debated if he lets his no-hitter affect his mindset.


-- 
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From: satrape@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James V Satrape)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Strat question.
Keywords: Strat-O-Matic
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:51:29 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Sep4.052516.12432@midway.uchicago.edu> nss3@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.150537.5677@williams.edu> 93jay@williams.edu (Jonathan Young) writes:
>>I have just assumed control of a team in a PBM league that uses
>>Strat-O-Matic super advanced rules. While trying to put together the
>>team from my roster I ran into one problem. Does Tim Naehring (boston
>>ss) have a card this year? He is listed on the super-advanced SB-CS
>>list but I can't seem to find a card for him - did I lose it or does
>>it just not exist?
>
>I believe Nahering has a card, but I'm not sure.  The fact that Strat
>has his SB-CS numbers suggests that he does.  Anyone else out there
>know for sure?
>
I think Naehring's card is in the "Supplementary Cards" that do not
come with the game set itself.  When I purchased my game this year, there
was a coupon enclosed that I could fill out and send in, and they sent
me the 81(?) supplementary cards.  

Jim 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Strangelove)
Subject: Re: Brewers to the NL?
Keywords: fantasy impact
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:27:50 GMT

In article <19849@drutx.ATT.COM> tml@druhi.ATT.COM (Tim Larison) writes:
>I heard on the radio today that a possible move of the Brewers
>to the National League is more than just a fantasy - that it
>is being seriously considered.  The Giants would move to the
>American League.
>
>Any truth to this, Brewer and Giant fans?  This is a general
>baseball question, but it certainly would affect fantasy leagues
>that keep players from year to year.  
>
>				Tim Larison  att!druhi!tml

Tim, 

Yep the rumor has floated around a bit, but most of us haven't put much
thought into it. It was in the paper about a week ago(Milwaukee Sentinel).
I doubt much will happen until the realignment issue is solved, The 
Cubs aren't too please and the Comish may lose his job. Selig(Brewer's
owner) is rumored to be pushing the comish out. Either way I think it 
would be smart for three reasons...
1) Natual Rivals, The Chicago Cubs. There are two big baseball teams in
                  most of Wisconsin, they are the Brewers and the Cubs.
                  These games could equal the rivalry that Red Sox, Yankee
                  games.
2) Atlanta Braves: Most Wisconsinites have not forgiven the Braves for
                   leaving town. I think these games could get nasty too.
3) Florida: The AL gets the share of Florida...

Ken


-- 
 Dr. Strangelove      "You know your having a bad day when the fifth
 U.Wisconsin Milwaukee    inning rolls around and they drag the warning
 Major: Political Science  track." -Mike Flanagan, pitcher Baltimore Orioles
 Why that Alias? From the Movie Dr. Strangelove.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay)
Subject: Re: Jeff Reardon now a Brave
Followup-To: sullis@rpi.edu
Organization: Gallaudet University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:10:04 GMT

In article <9qtysz-@rpi.edu>, sullis@aix.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan) writes:
> 
> 
> The Red Sox have traded reliever Jeff Reardon to the Atlanta
> Braves for 2 Player's to be named later.

Thank god they dumped Reardon. He and his contract was worth zilch as 
far as I am concerned. 

Question: Is the Red Sox still obligated to pay off the rest of the
contract or is the Braves responsible for that?

> -- 
> < Sean Sullivan (sullis@rpi.edu) | R.P.I.   | DISCLAIMER: 'Not!' >
> < --*  "Holy mother of God, what is Lou Gorman smoking?" *--     >
> <            == Dave Kirsch				         >
-- 
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From: lost@athena.mit.edu (Robbie Smith)
Subject: Re: September callup lists - where?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:21:30 GMT

In article <Bu09t9.5LK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep2.200051.25534@ee.gatech.edu>, eric@eedsp.gatech.edu (Eric Hyche) writes...
|> >Where can I get a complete list of September callups
|> >for all NL teams. The Atlanta paper only has Braves
|> >callups and a few other teams scattered here and there.
|> 
|> 	I'm not sure, but this week's Baseball Weekly *might* have all the
|> callups.
|> 
|> Jonny B.

Don't waste your dollar.  Baseball Weakly has no lists of callups in this
issue.  They only have transactions through Aug. 31 (Monday).

I think that the bulk of the callups have not yet occured.  There may be
relatively few callups this year, since the teams do not want to expose players
to the expansion draft.

-- 
Robbie Smith:  lost@mit.edu
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