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From: breese@monet.imada.ou.dk (Bjoern Reese)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: New hardware reference guide?
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:05:44 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark

>In article <1992Nov18.134641.58767@qut.edu.au> podesta@qut.edu.au writes:
>>In article <OAHVENLA.92Nov17002933@lk-hp-4.hut.fi>, oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi
>>Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:
>>>                          C= won't release the Hardware information, because
>>> that would mean saying that it's OK to directly access hardware, when it's
>>
>>I don't get it. What's the big deal????
>>Why don't Commodore just release it and say something like:
>>
>>"BANGING THE HARDWARE IS NOT UPWARDLY COMPATIBLE"
>>
>>Then all of us who don't give a damn about upward compatibility
>>(ie. in demos and some games) can write our demos and have fun, and
>>those who want to write software that will last forever can go through
>>the OS.

|That is EXACTLY how I feel too. The demo won't run on a new chipset, but
|so what? I don't care. There's no, or little, money in doing demos. We're
|doing demos for the fun of it.

|You people with the big machines actually have an option: Don't watch
|demos!!! If you're so afraid that demos will crash your machine or
|that it may harm your hardware, don't watch demos! If C= doesn't
|release the hardware specs, I can ensure you that it doesn't mean
|that democoders will start producing OS-demos; more likely they will
|leave the Amiga world.

|Why can't you let us write our demos and have the fun what we want?

>>I mean the OS is GREAT. I love it. It's one of the reasons that Amiga rules..
>> but its a development environment, not a demo or game environment.

|I agree again. The OS is GREAT, and I can understand that the software
|engineers at C= aren't feeling too happy about people like me, when I
|stuff the OS, which they have been working hard at for several years. But
|I think that every programmer should be given to freedom to do as he/she
|likes, based on guidelines from C=. If we don't care about upwards
|compatibility, it's our problem (we probably never intended these
|programs to run on a future machine; we made them to show what the
|current machine can do, and remember: we never got any money for our
|efforts!!)

||--

||Bjoern Reese                   |     Email: breese@imada.ou.dk
||Odense University, Denmark     |     Voice: +45 65 932 182 (private)

Oh well, at last someone saying something Usefull and clever...
...
People, have you ever understood the difference between a demo/game and an
application program???
Have you ever coded a demo? Ever coded a (eg.) terminal program or (eg.) a
whatever utility??
Have you ever tried to code a paintprogram WITHOUT OS?? Ever coded a demo
WITH OS?
Be responsible when stating things...
Demos are NOT meant to be compatible ||||
Ok, games should and not often are, I agree that.
Application Programs *ARE* compatible.
...
A computer is also a hobby machine. And there ARE people who like to code
and experiment at home sometimes, did you know that?
I need just one reason WHY a hardware reference affects applicative programs
to be coded not compatible ? Is it a virus or does it affect developer brains
or what ?
...
Regards, Werner.