HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Styling, profiling and pretending
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:58:11 GMT

In article <1ebcseINN24c@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

$Bulltacos. I knew that "adult" number would come up.  So what?  We
$are still rather like kids dealing with each other.  What about the
$hidden agendas of men, pray tell?  Like yall don't plan nothin', see
$how somethin' plays to sisters?  Like yall don't LIE?  Like yall don
$scheme, neither?  Come ON...  One thing about black heterosexual
$women (of which I am one):  we do hang on every word you cats say to
$our everlasting sorrow at times.  We go deef, dum and blind,
$especially when we love you.  Our mammas warned us about stuff like
$this, even tho' we try to play the game, too..  I mean, this kind of
$shit's been going on for time immemorial, brother, so nigga please,
$this ain no new high-tech '90s thing.  This logic stuff coming from
$you guys is mostly a black (male) thing and while it may keep you
$together, why is it I still I hear about sisters shooting brothers
$or brothers shooting sisters over love or relationship issues?  Can
$I get a witness?

Shit chea!!!  I have seen this happen too many times to sistas, them
tryna hang on to somethin that the brotha ain't really interested in.
These same brothas that sit up and say "Oh I luuuuv you I luuuuv you"
will out and out cheat on em practically right under their nose.  Not
that I know about everyone's intimate bizness cept what they tell me,
but I have even seen brothas delegate the responsibility of gettin rid
of the sista to other brothas!! so's he can mack one of his new
targets.  To most brothas, havin one piece of bootay ain't enough, got
ta have as much as he can.  Not to say that sistas ain't like this but
brothas is notorious.  It's specially noticeable up here.  When
brothas can't find sistas they start preyin on white girls.  Which
introduces another set of women into the game.

$For the record, it takes TWO to cause:
$a) Miscommunication
$b) Love
$c) All of the above

Have to agree witcha.
-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Arresk the Presidink!"                           malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
		-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill (was Re: Thank God for Ron Brown)
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:17:38 GMT

In article <1e3vo0INNgj3@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>  
sderby@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Stuart P. Derby) writes:
>
>   It'd be poetic justice, but I think it's unlikely. One of the
> trivia items floating around my dazed, besottted brain is that
> Anita Hill wrote an article in support of the Bork nomination
> to the court (wish I had a reference to support that), which
> was cited by some political columnists as yet another reason
> to believe her story. In other words, I sorta think she is/was
> a (gasp) Republican. Although she may have just drifted into
> it and has now seen the error of her ways :-)
> 
>  (Boy, I wish I had a reference, I just know I'm gonna
> get flamed....)
>  

     As I recall from watching the confirmation hearings, it was the law  
professor from NYU(?) who told the Biden committee that Anita Hill  
supported Robert Bork's nomination to the Supreme Court. This professor  
was one of Anita Hill's four character witnesses, who all testified in her  
behalf. I believe that Anita Hill was applying for an academic position  
sometime in the mid-1980's, and this law professor was one of the people  
involved in the hiring process. During her visit to the law school, she is  
supposed to have got into a very spirited debate with several of the law  
professors there over Bork's nomination to the Court. Apparently, she  
thought very highly of him, and believed that he would make a good Supreme  
Court justice. As to whether or not she is a Republican, I have no idea.

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu  
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Stuart Derby - sderby@bcm.tmc.edu  |   Anagram of the Year:
> Baylor College of Medicine         | Tuesday, November Third <==>
> Houston, Texas                     | Many Voted, Bush Retired
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11237 talk.politics.guns:24244
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: More gun control.
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:38:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov18.033847.26972
Organization: Western Washington University

helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:

>being
>able to bear rifles and shotguns should be enough to satisfy those
>who nurture fantasies of protecting themselves from Big Brother when
>the dreaded police state is upon us or defending their family from
>alien invaders (now that the Russians are a greatly reduced possibility).

	You forgot defending yourself from criminals.  Oh, they don't 
have criminals where you live?   Moot point.  Sorry.

>a reasonable limitation that balances the absolute Constitutional
>right with a citizen's need to feel safe and secure in his person and
>property.

So I _can_ carry a pistol then?   Make up your mind.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Spike on 'Nightline'
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:56:54 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) wrote:
:Spike was on "Nightline" last night with Ted Koppel and some serious
:high school kids, whites and blacks. I rather liked seeing the
:panorama, if you will, of black opinion on Malcolm.  Of course,
:Clifford Alexander was TIRED and so was Arthur Ashe.  Maya Angelou
:was eloquent as always to the moment.  And also there was Betty
:Shabazz, reemerging after years of obscurity and struggle, looking
:quiet, dignified and sounding direct and gentle.
:.
:Man, I'm so tired of seeing majestic wives of dead black men, from
:Coretta to Myrlie to Betty.  They seem always to speak for ashes,
:instead of themselves.
:.
:Maybe that's keeping hope alive.


Gee, babe, if that's all we need to keep you happy, Arthur Ashe
should be leaving a widow sometime soon.

Tired?!?!  Is that Double-A's rating these days?!?

Double-A Are Oh Enn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:07:01 EST
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: X Family Royalties, etc.

I can't remember the originator of this thread. I glance over it real quickly.
But I remember seeing something in the news about Malcolm X's widow suing some
companies who are on the bad wagon for selling X paraphanelia. I guess some
ppl are taking advantage of an opportunity to make money. How can Betty Shabazz
keep a tab on these "fly by night" companies is a good question?

Phil Stromer made a comment that I really don't want to respond to. I had e-
nough of his silly shit from last year.  Phil please respond w/ comments that
mean something. Ppl don't have time for a flame war.

                      *
Fred Rozenblad        *  Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu     *

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Followup-To: misc.legal
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:38:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.141632.11832@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
>In Bauer vs. Hardwick (about 1982 or '83) the Supreme Court upheld Georgia's
>anti-sodomy law.  Mr. Hardwick was arrested in his bedroom (by a policeman who
>had no warrant to enter) and charged with violating Georgia's sodomy law (along
>with his partner).  The case was taken to the U.S. Supreme Court by the State
>of Georgia and the supreme court ruled that even though the policeman had
>invaded Mr. Hardwick's privacy, there were certain things that were so vile
>and therefore prohibited by law (and the church) that privacy was not an
>issue.

I don't recall the Supreme Court using the word "vile" in their 
opinion. The issue before the court was not whether or not 
homosexuality is evil or whether or not prohibiting it was a
good idea. The case raised the question of whether a state
legislature would be allowed by the U.S. Constitution to proscribe 
certain activities. Considering that the court has in recent
years taken a very narrow view of any "privacy" rights we have
and that they generally bend over backwards to uphold actions
of the states. It is not that surprising (in retrospect -- I was
pretty shocked at the time) that the court found for the state
of Georgia. 

This is not to say that personal biases of court members do not
affect their opinions. I am quite sure that if two-thirds of
the Supreme Court were gay, they would manage to find a fundamental 
right that Georgia violated. And that if the case had arisen at
an earlier date when homosexuality was almost universally
considered a sin, the vote would have been nowhere near as close
as it was.

This still doesn't make it fair or accurate to say that the
Supreme Court ruled that sodomy is vile.



-- 
Dave Eisen                               Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU              Home:                (415) 321-5154
       There's something in my library to offend everybody. 
          --- Washington Coalition Against Censorship
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: KO'ed by Oprah! (was somethingorother)
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:41:44 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:

>Now I don't feel so bad about being "nailed" by ESSENCE!
>You see, I had a relationship that I thought was going
>more-or-less okay, when my SO read an article in ESSENCE
>about "Ten Ways to Tell if Your Man Really Loves You",
>or something like that.  The article included things like:
>
>	Does he know your favorite color?
>	Does he know your innermost feelings?
>
>... and a number of other things that come under the rough heading
>of does he know/do "all of those little things that mean so much"?
>
>So anyway, homegirl starts quizzin' me on her favorite color, innermost
>feelings, etc., and decides that our relationship is doomed because I
>did not know such things about her.  The "Kid" was blindsided!  I responded,
>in part, that I did not know my mother's favorite color either, and that
>I really didn't think that knowing my SO's favorite color was "essential
>(as in "make or break a relationship") knowledge", and further, that if I
>felt that I "just had to know" because I wanted to surprise her with 
>something, for instance, that I would simply ask her mother. 

Keith, next time that kind of stuff comes around, you've got to
turn it around.  For instance, on the "favorite color" thing you
might want to go on the offensive *immediately*, as in "Hey, how come
we've been seeing each other for six months and you haven't even told
me your favorite color yet?  How do you expect us to get along
when you don't communicate important things to me?  I tell you
what's important to me, when are you going to start 
opening up a little?"
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:34:10 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com wrote:
:
:BTW, how many people know that Malcolm X taught that whites were the
:result of an experiment by a black scientist who wanted to create an
:evil race of people? I'd bet most people with the X hats and T-shirts
:don't know about this. It's in the autobiography.


Arthur, c'mon now, the people wearing X garb are strawmen by now b/c
we *all* know that many of them are not interested in details about
Malcolm's life.  H.L. Gates was the most recent voice I heard sayin
this, in Newsweek, but we had that whole thread here about it months
ago.

And the Yacub theory is very well known by those who know anything
about Malcolm and the NOI.  Don't unjoin it from the broader critique
Elijah Muhummad was trying to get at, which is that the white man is
the devil -- not so crackpot when you think about it.

So think about it.

Aaron
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: The Golden Bowe (The Holy Field)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:22:19 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) embroidered:
:
:In a monumental spectacle of human heart and human will, of human courage
:and human skill, in an event that evoked the mythopoeia of "El Momento
:de la Verdad" aka "The Moment of Truth" aka "Leonard-Duran I", the great
:but until now unappreciated fighter Evander Holyfield was pounded into
:submission by an opponent who was younger, stronger, and who could knock
:men out with either hand: Riddick Bowe. But not before Holyfield delivered
:a message in the sanctum of the Mirage Hotel, a revelation of the black
:man's soul, wherein the power of interior victory consumes all exterior
:defeats. And not before Bowe ventured across the boundary of the knowable 
:into the uncharted territory of one of the greatest 10th rounds in the
:history of boxing, and found out who he was: the heavyweight champion of
:the world. We will never see more courage displayed by two men in a ring.

Okay, so where can we get the video of this four-star flick?

A.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11388 misc.legal:20240
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:41:33 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <By12J8.IME@access.digex.com>, wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown) writes:
|> 
|>    For one, we don't WANT to become a part of Maryland.  By the way, we
|> came from land donated by THREE states, although for the life of me I
|> can't figure what West Virgina donated.

West Virginia did not even exist until the Civil War.  It was formed
out of the part of Virginia that sided with the Union.

|> There is no other city in America with such a heavy
|> concentration of Black elected officials.  Within 5 years of being
|> "incorporated" into an axisting state, D.C. politics will definately
|> become White-controlled.  Do you know of any OTHER metropolis with an
|> almost exclusively Black electorate, regardless of the composition of the
|> electorate? 

Detroit?  Newark, NJ?

Most of your complaints, which are very valid, would be addressed
just as effectively if DC was made part of another state,
rather than made a state itself.

Ron
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:33:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <T79cuB1w163w@peewee>

... well, how much is a black PHD worth vs. a white one...

I know this is going to get me into trouble, but I may not have been the
only person who has noted that blacks generally earn the same, and have
the same unemployment rate as whites with about 4 years less education.
Not conincidentally, Blacks generally score on aptitide tests (GRE, SAT,
Armed Forces, GATB etc.) about the same as whites with 4 years less
education.

Blacks now have the same rate of high school diplomas as whites, but if
their corresponding basic reading and math schools are the same as a 9th
grade white, it's not going to hack it until those test scores improve.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: omitchel@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ocie Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Rock Hudson vs. Pee Wee
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:32:46 GMT

Do you mean that only gay people and iv drug users can get/carry the HIV virus?
does this have something to do with the gay-ness gene I've not heard so much 
about?  HIV can be passed in any and all situations where blood or other
bodily fluids are echanged (needle swaping, ALL unprotected sex, transfusion
with HIV contaminated blood ...)  So to sum it up, you and I are no more and
no less likely to get HIV than those "fags" (I used to call people fags, but
then I left Kindergarten).

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From: Jeff.Strabone@dartmouth.edu (Jeff Strabone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:25:41 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I read Perry's biography of X the moment it was out in hardcover in the
summer of 1991, and I read each chapter's notes as I finished each
chapter.  The depth of his research is astonishing; there's no arguing
with some of his sources, which include Malcolm's prison records,
Malcolm's medical records, deeds, police reports, etc.  When it comes
to matters in which Perry contradicts Malcolm's account in the
autobiography, I keep two things in mind:

-Would I have been totally honest if I had written an autobiography?
-As a student, I have made research-related mistakes in my work and
have drawn incorrect conclusions from evidence.

One cannot know if Malcolm lied/embellished and if Perry
misread/misinterpreted his data.  I am sure that both are true in
different cases.  Either way, the biography adds volumes to what we
knew about Malcolm's life and should be read by all students of
Malcolm's life.

Nothing astonished me more than the book's reception in parts of the
community.  The Amsterdam News, New York's main black weekly (which BTW
endorsed Al D'Amato), went out of its way to impugn Perry's character
for having written a book that supposedly "emasculated" Malcolm. If
anything, the book succeeds in adding a more human dimension to the
Legend, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Jeff Strabone
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:31:51
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1992Nov15.033721.22768@oracle.us.oracle.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: mfriedma@uucp's message of Sun, 15 Nov 1992 03:37:21 GMT

mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
|>You obviously don't understand the logic of this.  One day out  
|>of school is worth going to see this movie.  I'm afraid that it  
|>will commercialize and trivialize Malcolm X a little too much,  
|>but it's a start.  Black children need to learn about important  
|>Blacks in history and our school system is doing a piss-poor job  
|>of doing it.

|You know maybe I'm missing something, but why not take them after
|school or during the weekend?  That way they can see the movie and
|they don't have to miss school.  Is that too simple a solution?

Aside from Spike Lee's comments that he did not advocate this and that
his comment was taken out of context, it seems to me that the only
message to take away from this whole thing is the assertion that it is
a shame that children might be better served by going to this film
instead of going to school.

This seems to me to be a more profound and incisive formulation of the
issue and somewhat less prone to emotional discourse.
--
Peace.
           "Love is like a snowmobile rushing across the tundra and then
            suddenly it flips over pinning you underneath.  At night, 
            the Ice Weasels come."
                                    -Matt Groening, "Love is Hell"
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: This Week In Black History (11/23 - 11/29 1992)
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:25:15
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu


Today is Monday November 23, 1992. 

(My comments are in brackets:  [])

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

November 23  Andrew J Beard invented the "jerry coupler," still used
                today to connect railroad cars, 1897

November 24  

November 25  Segregation in buses and terminals banned by Interstate
                Commerce Commission, 1955

November 26  National Negro Medical Association founded, 1895
             Sojourner Truth dies, 1883

November 27  

November 28  Richard Wright, novelist and author of Native Son, dies,
                1908 - 1960

November 29  Thurgood Marshall, first Black Supreme Court Judge, born 1908

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


--
Peace.
                             "I'm the man you think you are....  If you want
                              to know what I'll do, figure out what you'll do.
                              I'll do the same thing--only more of it."
                                                   -- Malcolm X
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: What's the problem here?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:46:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.160509.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>	After the LA riots, minority leaders cried for urban development and 
>for the hiring of minority police officers on the LA force.  So city 
>representatives hire a black to take over as chief and vow to hire more 
>minority cops.  This was seen as a solution to combat police brutality.
>	Some time after the LA riots, a black man was killed by cops in the
>city of Detroit.  A town whose mayor and police chief is black and whose police
>force is 55 percent black.  What's the problem here.
>
>Chris Hill
>	

         The problem is you! That's the problem. You got your brains dehydrated.


    H.