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From: thk@tyres.asd.sgi.com (Tom Kong)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: (M) help: very sick corals.
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:43:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
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Some of my coral are dying, but I can figure out why.  Any
help is appreciated.

Brief history:

My 20 gal tank had an elegance, a hammer, and a frogspawn for almost a year,
all of them were doing great, showing increase in skeleton size,
and the elegance's flashy part had grown at least three to four times 
its original size.

On 7/5, I removed the wet/dry and added a 2nd protein skimmer, all
corals looked stressed for the next couple of weeks.

In mid August, I switched from Instant Ocean to Reef Crystals, no
noticeable difference in coral behaviour.  The freshly mixed Reef
Crystal water measured about 3mg/L NO3, whereas freshly mixed Instant
Ocean didn't have measurable nitrate.  (I use RO water for everything).

On 8/25, I changed from fluorescents to MH lighting, and slowly increased
the number of hours of MH lighting every day until I hit 8hrs a day.

By end of August, all the corals are back to very healthy looking state,
and the elegance inflated to larger than I've ever seen before.  There
was a big hair algae bloom and some slime algae.  Did a 5 day dose of Maracyn, slime algae went away,
did a 10% water change after the treatment.  During and after the treatment,
the corals look unstressed, a coral banded shrimp died shortly after the
treatment.

On 9/5, I added a goniopora, all corals were looking very healthy, fully
inflated.  Initially I had problem fitting the corals inside the tank since
they were always touching each other.  I rearranged the tank to stop
them from touching, and ended up moving the elegance about eight inches
closer to the surface.

From 9/5 to now, the hammer and the elegance started inflating less
and less, and are now mostly deflated showing only the skeleton.
Meanwhile the frogspawn and goniopora remain healthy looking.
The goniopora actually seems to have generated many new polyps.  All this
time water condition and temperature were unchanged.  It is interesting
to note that my freshly mixed water has about 3mg/L NO3, while the
tank water consistently measured less, yet all corals (especially goniopora)
seem happier right after a water change.  Can it be that they require
NO3?  I moved the elegance closer to the bottom of the tank yesterday,
and it seems to be less deflated, can it be suffering from UV burn or
just too much light?

How long do corals stay alive in home tanks anyways?

Thanks,
/tom
From: wood-smithc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Chrissi Wood-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: How often H20 change??
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:59:28 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

SO -- How often should I change my water and how much?? I have a 20 high 
with tetra, a 37 gal with discus and a 55 gal with angels and gouramis.  I 
do 25% every 2 weeks, which I though sufficient, but the 37 and 55 run high 
in acidity then.  What do you all recommend for these species and tank sizes?
Any help would be much appreciated!
From: rloyd@mksol.dseg.ti.com (robert e loyd)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: [F] Plants and UGF questions
Keywords: plants, ugf
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:02:34 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

I looking for information (pro and con) about adding plants to
a 30 gal. tall aquarium that currently uses a UGF.  Also, I'm 
seeking recommendations for plants to add in this tank that
has 6 african cichlids.

Thanks,
Rob



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From: cburns@ucs.indiana.edu (Chris Burns)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Boret Heaters
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:13:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: end.cburns-091092110326
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: Indiana University

In article <14hp2x+@lynx.unm.edu>, dphantom@triton.unm.edu (darlene an 
92sep02 lawry) wrote:
> 
> In article <cburns-081092110426@end.chem.indiana.edu> cburns@ucs.indiana.edu (Chris Burns) writes:
> >In article <15967@umd5.umd.edu>, mwerling@snoopy.umd.edu (Michael T.
> >Werling) wrote:
>>
> >
> >I've seen smaller heaters listed in MO catalogues, but there's nothing
> >wrong with using a 25W heater in a 2.5G tank.  Ok, its overkill, but so
> >what.  I had 3 2.5G betta tanks with a 25W visitherm in each.  It worked
> >fine.  The only problem with buying a heater that is more powerful than
> >necessary is that you may be wasting money, but the fish won't care.
> >
> >Chris
> 
> Actually, that's not quite true...there are some hazards to using an
> overrated heater.
> 
> 1)  It outputs more heat at one time, which for a very small tank, can
> be a little stressful on the fish.  Relatively minor point in most cases,
> but radical temperature changes are generally not a good thing to subject
> fish to.
> 
I disagree.  If the water is well circulated, the temperature should not
change so much so fast as to be a stress to the fish.  Even with poor
circulation, I don't think the temperature changes would be "radical".

> 2) If your heater goes bad, you can toast your fish.  The object is to
> have a heater that, if the sensor goes bad and it stays on, it won't cook
> your fish.  I've had sensor's go bad on my heaters before, and I'd hate
> to think if it had been in small tank.  Toastie poasties.
> 
Seems to me that if any heater goes bad your fish are toast....If a heater
produces enough heat to maintain a warm tank temp when its operating
properly, then if it sticks, it can toast your fish.

> If you can't find a microheater, just use an incadescent light...should
> do the trick.  Otherwise, you take your chances...

Incandescent lights do keep the water warm...when they're on.  What do you
do at night?  Seems that turning off the light will allow the water to cool
and then need to be reheated the next morning,  this seems like a stressful
situation, especially in a 2G tank which will change temperature rapidly.  
The temperature fluctuations here would be much worse than any that might
occur with an oversized heater.  Obvioulsly leaving the light on 24h a day
would also be a big time stress.  

I agree that a nifty little 7.5W heater would be the optimal choice, but
I'd still rather use a good 25 watter than an incandescent bulb.

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: mattk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (matthew.kaufman)
Subject: Re: Shaking crud into new tank
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:01:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.131748.22210@watson.ibm.com> cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff) writes:
>In order to increase beneficial bacteria in a new tank, I take the sponge
>from an established tank and shake it under water.  Lots of crud comes
>from the sponge into the nice new tank.  Almost breaks my heart to see
>the dirt go into the clear waters of the new tank!  Am I doing a good thing
>by introducing this crud into the tank for the purpose of bacterial seeding?
>Thanks 
Well, I do that pretty often and it works great. If you don't like crud in
the water, the simplest thing to do is run a filter that you intend for
your new tank on your existing tank for a week (that's what I've done, perhaps
that's a bit brief but I typically stick the filter in a tank full of
piggish, violent cichlids whose new game is to play catch with the heater
holder, sigh...) and then move it to the new tank the day before you
plan to put fish in.

Sometimes I'm not this meticulous; using used filter floss in a box filter
works great, too, at establishing a filter in the new tank.
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Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria
From: jpotter@stsci.edu (Jeffrey J. Potter)
Subject: (M) Nurse Shark
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:15:56 GMT


I am looking for information on Nurse Sharks.  Any and all help would be
appreciated.  I would like to handle this info via e-mail and not waste any
bandwidth.

I am looking for:

   a) Water temp/quality
   b) feeding
   c) growth rate
   

Is it possible to contact the National Aquarium in Baltimore via e-mail for
this information?
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From: weekley@helios.phy.ohiou.edu (Don Weekley)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: (F) H2O test kits.
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:48:02 GMT
Organization: Ohio University ASCGL, Athens

Hi folks,

	I was wondering what would the net reccomend, in terms
of a good low cost, fairly comprehensive H20 test kit. One for
all those things one needs to know about H2O, pH, ammonia,
nitrite etc..

Thanks in advance.
						-Don

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From: Jim Pinkelman <James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu>
Subject: Fastest Fish??
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A701D3F6CC01401E@jpinkelman.aero.nd.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:41:10 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:29:16 GMT

Athough this is not a real acquarium question . . .

Does anyone know what the fastest fish in the ocean is?

Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: undead pleco
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:17:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.101450.13451@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>This pleco was having a total blast swimming
>around and playing in the bubbles!!!  It was sooooo funny!

Consider the reasons plecos had evolved their sucker mouths.  The books
claim they come from fast flowing waters where they graze on the
algae-covered rocks.  Makes sense to expect them to like swimming in the
current.
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Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler)
Subject: Re: undead pleco
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:41:54 GMT

mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau) writes:

>A favorite place for my pleco is to go belly-up and wedge his head into a nook
>in a stone archway in the tank and "spank" the other fish with his tail as they
>brush by him.
>-mike
>                

A former pleco of mine, rest his sole, used to come to the top of my tank
and swim belly up at feeding time.  It would skim food flakes that floated
on the water.  It never did seem to like eating algae.

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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?  (something worse than photographers
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:29:23 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1992Oct7.100640.5522@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>Anecdote:  I know the woman involved in this story but have never asked
>her about it; I heard it from someone else who witnessed it.  It seems
>that one day there was a guy walking around for several hours with an
>erection.  Even smimming in the cold ocean did nothing to wilt it.
>After the first couple of hours people started making sarcastic comments
>but the guy stayed.  Finally this woman (young and good looking) went over
>and sat down beside this guy and said "This is your first time at the
>beach, isn't it?....Well, I think you've had enough for today.  Don't you?"
>Then she got up and walked away.  The guy left about 5 minutes later.
----

	Her actions and those making the sarcaustic comments are sick.  So
much for body acceptance.  Do any of them *know* why he had an erection?
It is *very* uncommon to have a constant multi-hour erection without
some physical stimulation.  He may have had some medical condition
at worst, or may have felt good at the breeze and water on his body.
Either way the unaccepting sickos who judged and sentenced him should
go join the rest of the religious zealots.  Their behaviour was 
controlling and insensitive and should be unacceptable in civilized
society.  From the description you gave there was nothing in his 
behaviour that warranted such treatment.

-wat-
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From: reha@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Reha Elci)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Beachfront U.S.A. Loses Los Angeles Lawsuit
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:08:07 GMT
Reply-To: reha@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Reha Elci)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <Bw3rro.Hxw@access.digex.com> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
>cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>>(P.P.S.:  I think Thursday's debate is supposed to feature questions
>>from the audience.  Anyone think they could sneak in a naturist to
>>ask about some of the questions raised in this thread?)
>
>You mean like, "What would each of you do if you get
>an erection at a nude beach?"
>

Yeah, like Bush or Perot can get it up... Get real!

Reha Elci
Email: elci@bugs.gs.com
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nudity in the dorms
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:15:24 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Sep28.235133.477@ab.wvnet.edu>, miller_dm@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
|>act as if I am some kind of sick fag , and the females think I'm just another


Instead you're a sick homophobe.  The way you express yourself in
public, I'm not surprised you have troubles.  Clean up your act!
          
  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: HELP for a friend. "indecent exposure" at Crane's Beach.
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:55:06 GMT

lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>the judge he saw no warning signs (there aren't  any) and he's seen people
>do it before (I have, anyway) and since the summer is over he didn't think
>he was doing anything wrong. I wouldn't suggest trying to  make it a  test
>case. Crane's is private property.

Oh really, private property?! That's a horse of different color!

What business does a ranger have enforcing such a law in this case?
Is there established precedent for this, or is this the private
property of the state in some odd way?

I suspect this has a bearing on the case as well.

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:45:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <ldj2vdINN8u5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:

> 	That is one some level an 'ok' line -- *but*, realize that in 
> some states, homosexuality is still illegal.  I guess in those states
> we police against same-sex couples showing any signs of a relationship
> together on a nude beach.

A "relationship" isn't illegal.

Terry
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From: wilson@magi.ncsl.nist.gov (Charles Wilson x2080)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Art Modeling
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:34:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

As an amateur artist I have been attending and sometimes running
workshop groups for about 20 years in the NY-NJ and Washington DC 
areas and have over the last five years hired models myself
both to draw and for photographs used in paintings.

Rates range from $10-$15/hour for drawing up to about $50/hour
for photography.

Three factors are usually considered in private workshop groups:

1. Appearance: This may include a strong preference for male or female
models, a requirement for enough physical strength and endurance 
to hold hard poses and a relaxed attitude toward posing nude.
When individuals are hiring models strong preference for certain
physical types is more common.

2. Reliability - Having a model not show up is one of the group organizers
worst problems. In one group I was in one former model always came
free and drew on the understanding that she would pose for no-show
models. (This arrangement was her idea.)

3. Easy to work with. This implies someone who doesn't mind some
hard posed and gets along well with the artists some of whom
are sometimes difficult. When hiring models myself, I show them
some of my paintings to see if they are comfortable posing
for me since many people can get the idea of what you find interesting
quickly this way.

Several times I have gone with a female friend who is an artist to CO
beaches and asked people on the beach if they mind us doing quick
sketches of them. In this situation, couples are most likely to
say yes. We also usually draw each other. We are both, except for
over tanning, nude.

BTW - if there are people in the DC area interested in posing they
      should feel free to contact me.
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Beachfront U.S.A. Loses Los Angeles Lawsuit
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:47:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
>The legal system exists for rational debate and decision;

Where have *you* been living?  I want to move there.

Tony

(P.S.: Speaking of debates, tonight's should be a classic.  Al Gore,
Jim Stockdale, and Dan Quayle.  Mmm mmm.)

(P.P.S.:  I think Thursday's debate is supposed to feature questions
from the audience.  Anyone think they could sneak in a naturist to
ask about some of the questions raised in this thread?)
From: Francene.Florio@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Francene Florio)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: RE: DORM NUDITY
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:29:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.16993.2ADC00C7
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ

Hey, Sonds like a good college lifestyle...maybe I'll go back to
college...Naturally.
Where's this school? I'd like to concider it. Maybe for my future study hall  
hangout.
francene
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From: david@dragon (David SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Name change for rec.nude? Is it time?
Date: 10 Oct 92 11:35:56 GMT
Organization: Laboratoire Bordelais de Recherche en Informatique

cms@home.demon.co.uk (Cliff Stanford) writes:
: 	ns. naturism,nudism:nature-worship;
: 	ns. nudism; nudist,one who goes naked or approves of going naked
: [Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary - 1972]
: 
: 	Seems pretty unambiguous to me.
: 		Cliff.

Seems pretty clear to me that few people check the Chambers for
explanations of newsgroup names.  The newsgroup name is the first
filter a potential reader uses, and most groups do not pass it.
Rec.naturism is so neutral-sounding (no, dumb-sounding) that I
doubt few potential readers will look inside.

There is nothing wrong with the name "rec.nude" that a good kill
file and a little patience cannot fix.


djs                        David J. Sherman       (david@labri.greco-prog.fr)
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From: jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?  (something worse than photographers
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:41:42 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford NY

(anecdote about wreck beach):
...........
>>but the guy stayed.  Finally this woman (young and good looking) went over
>>and sat down beside this guy and said "This is your first time at the
>>beach, isn't it?....Well, I think you've had enough for today.  Don't you?"
>>Then she got up and walked away.  The guy left about 5 minutes later.
>----
>
wat replies:
>so much for body acceptance.  Do any of them *know* why he had an erection?
>It is *very* uncommon to have a constant multi-hour erection without
>some physical stimulation.  He may have had some medical condition
>at worst, or may have felt good at the breeze and water on his body.
>Either way the unaccepting sickos who judged and sentenced him should
>go join the rest of the religious zealots.  Their behaviour was 
>controlling and insensitive and should be unacceptable in civilized
>society.  From the description you gave there was nothing in his 
>behaviour that warranted such treatment.




Right on wat!  Once again you saved me from having to stuggle with
putting the right words together.

If I were that person at the beach, I would have told that lady
"Oh no, I don't think so, I've got plenty of sun screen on and can
last the whole day.  And I really do think I can decide for myself
when it is time for me to leave.  It was nice of you to show so much 
concern, ....even though I don't appreciate it."








.....
......
Jim P.


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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Art modeling (was: Re: another model)
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 13:04:36 GMT

In article <7086@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
|> 
|> >After I took my pose though, I realized that these people wouldn't look me
|> >in the eye.
|> 
|> A friend of mine took a art class a couple of years ago.  During one of
|> the sessions where they were drawning men, she found that ever time she
|> looked up at the model, he would stare at her.  She noticed that he stared
|> at anyone who looked up.  This was so distracting to her that she didn't
|> finish her sketch.

This is unfortunate. My understanding, based on a life modeling seminar
I attended, is that the best models do this. They make eye contact with
anyone who looks up, giving the illusion that they are modelling just for
you - it's just you and them, and the rest of the room doesn't matter.

The fact that she was uncomfortable with this suggests that she wasn't
interested in the *person* - she was interested in a hunk of meat. The
artist of nudes had better get used to *people* who are nude - they
have to try to capture the personality as expressed in the pose.

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