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From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: RAI #0
Date: 12 Jan 1993 03:54:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
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In a previous article, jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) says:

>
>	In the Wizard interview with the Valiant bigshots, they hinted at the
>fact that Rai #0 is not the complete history of the Valiant universe. (They
>more or less said they can use petty contrivances to alter what was shown, like
>keeping Bloodshot alive after the Blood of Heroes is stolen). Also, all off-
>planet history is ignored, so there could be a _lot_ going on in 4002, but
>just off-planet. But if they make a Shadowman 3099, I'm dropping the whole
>line.
>
     Off-planet history still should not change on-planet history.  I 
can't say I wouldn't like it if some of my more favorite characters are
kept alive through circumstances that may at least have some semblance
of being possible.  Keeping Bloodshot alive is not one of the ways since
they found him much later with all the blood drained out.  Of course
I could be wrong.  Archer also.  However, he does come back to life once.
Perhaps again?  What does death mean in the voodoo world of Shadowman?
We can keep guessing.

>
>	I think we should see more of the Eternal Warrior's past adventures.
>Not just 3-4 page flashbacks like they've been doing, but an entire storyline
>(more than one "fill in" issue) that takes place in the past. There should be
>some kind of "government" operatives running around too; I find it hard to
>believe that the Hardcorps and Harbinger Inc are the only organizations with
>any kind of superhumans. You'd think the military would be interested, but as
>far as I know, none of the "1990's" titles have had any real government 
>involvement (except for the final issue of the "First Strike" arc in Solar.
>

Maybe they should explain more clearly how implants can give the operatives
in HARD Corps their powers.

Howard
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Howard Shiau                       bc751@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:12:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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In rec.arts.comics.misc, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

> Hey, cut me a break.  "Shock" is still better than "Felgercarb."

They are equivalent.

doug
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Squiddie informal nominations, part 2
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:53:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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>8.  Comeback Award for most improved book
Hmm...can't think of any.  I liked 91 better.
Oh, almost forgot -- Legion of Super Heros.  NOT!

>9.  Favorite character
Delerium
The Roach/Swoon

>10. Favorite team of characters

>11. Favorite graphic novel
Herman Vermin (Gregory II)

>12. Favorite reprint volume
Vault of Horror, Two-Fisted Tales, etc (in memoriam)

>13. Favorite comic strip or newspaper cartoon
Lynda Barry
Steven
Opportunity Jones
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Next Men Russian
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:57:00 GMT

In article <C0Cwx7.HD0@irvine.com>, jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet) writes...
>Thought this might barely amuse some of you who follow Next Men...no
>knowledge of Russian required.  Take a look at the Russian speech
>balloons.  Haul out your Webster's dictionary, look up "alphabet," and
>find the list of Russian letters and corresponding phonemes.  Now
>phonetically decode the balloons.  Compare to the "translations."
> 
>It's hardly worth the trouble, unless you're REALLY REALLY bored, but
>might provide you a microscopic smirk.

	Could you post some of the translations you've done?

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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:  Distant Mirrors (repeat post...sorry)
Organization: The Citizen Squids of the Revolution
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:15:52 GMT

In article <C0F8sp.178@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slp43173@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Spencer Lee Pasero) writes:
>I posted this about three weeks ago, but shortly afterwards, I temporarily lost
>use of my modem, so I didn't see any replies (if any were posted).  Anyway...

Someone answered it, so it must have slipped by, Citizen Pasero

>Does anyone know if the Distant Mirrors run (Thermidor, August, & Three
>Septembers and a January) will be included in the upcoming A Game of You TPB?
>Thanks in advance.

No, there will be a collection of short stories that should come out 
after the Game collection. It will include the Distant Mirror shorts
and also the Convergence issues. I think the working title was Accounts
and Receiving.

Ouch! It was just a joke! Geez! The working title is Accounts and Reflections,
though most folx have expressed the opinion that that is a dull title.(I like
it, but think it should be Reflections and Accounts.) 

I don't remember if it will contain the lost month of Ramadan or not.

(Hey, I even have a topical .sig for this occasion.)
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From: troy@athena.cs.uga.edu (Troy Johnson)
Subject: Your help is needed! Please read
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:42:49 GMT

This is a short request to all the users of the Net I can reach.
I and several friends have been assembling a list of "Noble
Rhetoric and Snappy Comebacks" from tv, movies, books, politics, etc. 
as a hobby for sometime now and we've reached around 600 different
quotes in all.  I have noticed the vast number of quotes to be found
throughout the net in peoples' sig.s, quotes, etc. and I would like
to ask for some help from all the users of the Net world-wide.
If you have a suggestion for a quote that is funny, creative, etc.
and you feel fits in the category of "Noble Rhetoric" or "Snappy
Comeback" in some vague way, please e-mail the suggestion to me
with the word "QUOTE SUGGESTION" as the subject line.  Also,
to prevent my mail from being overloaded please, just send in the
quotes for the next week only.  Please don't send me anything
after that time, as I am posting to a few newsgroups at a time, a
new set each week.  This should slow down the flow of mail sufficiently
so that I can handle it.  I will post all quotes which I and my comrades
in crime decide to use and we will only use those which have proper 
documention so that we may credit the source without getting in any
trouble.  Thanks in advance and your help is very much appreciated.

Grummy
From: w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: RE: Why Vertigo?
Date: 7 JAN 93 14:49:47 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) wrote:
> 
>>
>>Sandman ranks as really good literature most times.  The Vertigo line is an
>>attempt to give the Sandman/Hellblazer/Shade fans even more of the style
>>that they like.  Sure, grouped into the rest of the "superhero" comics, 
>>the mature audience comics might not do so well in sales, but they sure make
>>for better reading and brain food.
>>
> 
>No question....but this newsgroup is by no means a representative part of the
>comic reading population. 
> 
>But what if the experiment fails? What if the sales numbers for Sandman don't
>cross-over to Shade, Hellblazer, etc.? Do we really believe that DC, which
>seems to be coming under increasing pressure to gain market share, is
>benevolent enough to keep the Vertigo line alive for our 'brain food.'
Look.  Sandman, Shade, Hellblazer, etc. wouldn't be around today
if DC wasn't making a profit on them.  It's as simple as that.
There are many individuals out there looking for more of this
type of material to read (such as myself!).  Given the fact
that there is a demand and almost no competition, DC only stands
to gain as long as they provide a quality product that doesn't
overshoot the demand that's out there.

Personally, I think DC should simply let go of their horrible
attempts at "Marvelizing" (e.g. all the new Titans drek), and
concentrate more on Vertigo type material.  DC should just
accept that Marvel holds and will always hold the market for
teeny fan-boy superheroes.  There's still plenty of money to be
made in other areas.  Not as much, maybe, but money nonetheless.




_______________________________________________________________

Jim Cook
W95_COOK@wums.wustl.edu

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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:55:55 GMT

In article <1ia3rrINNbh9@alice.cs.purdue.edu> berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger) writes:
>Who's to say that they didn't have pages prepared with the
>appropriate president on the page in question?  Several years ago
>with the 900-number-Robin (Death in the Family) storyline, they had
>two scripts prepared for each possible outcome.  All they had to do
>was substitute the appropriate changes when the outcome is
>more-or-less assured.  Granted, it was a gamble, but not as much as
>people are making it out to be.

That's a great point - I wonder if they went and did a version for Perot?
What a collector's item those pages would be! I forgot to mention that the
AP news story said that this issue was the first time since JFK's 
administration that a living President was featured in a Superman comic
book. 
-- 
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                           | masticate."
Compuserve: 74076,1250     | -- MST3K's Dr. Clayton "Firebrand" Forrester, 
Internet: jrs@netcom.com   | after TV's Frank is unable to eat his 13th turkey.
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Good Omens, Crisis, and Watchmen plot device
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:47:06 GMT

Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten) writes:

>terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson) writes:
>>>>Namely, in each of the aforementioned titles, a Really Big Event occurs.
>>>>Sort of. Afterwards, nobody, or at least very few people are aware of 
>>>>what happened. 
>>IMHO, this is a literary device which has been around considerably
>>longer than either comics or science fiction.  It gives an author the
>>ability to do outrageous things and avoid complications.  Used by
>>Shakespeare among many others.  But it works best in the realm of
>>speculative fiction and therefore lends itself well to comics.
> 
> 
>I would agree. I remember an old story (1800's?) where a man wished the
>world would stop.  Which it did. 
> The problem was that the air didn't stop, and one thousand mile per hour
>winds obliterated most of earth's life.
>Of course, he lived through it, and wished he never had the ability to
>wish, and that the world would be back the way it was....
> 
>Now the story can be told....
> 

I've been reading this thread off and on, and I can finally say
what has been sticking at the back of my head for the past weeks.

Don't you wonder if you live in the same world as the Hitchhiker's
Guide to the Galaxy?

You think we would have noticed the earth being destroyed.....

No, I haven't read _Mostly Harmless_ yet....


LJC
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Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless, donations accepted......
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From: rba@xgml.com (Roy B. Amodeo)
Subject: Re: A good death (was: Random thoughts on Supes)
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:30:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.072503.25480@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay):
>>...which character's death did you think was best. I always liked Karate 
>>Kid's in LSH (V3) #4. With Brainwave's death in Infinity, Inc. # 10 in a 
>>close second.

I was very affected by the death of Gwen Stacy's dad in Amazing Spider-Man
around issue 90 or so. 'Course I was much younger then. But I still remember
those issues with fondness.

Sigh.

rba iv                       - disclaimer left as an excercise to the reader
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Glenn Carnagey)
Subject: Re: DC:  Showcase '93
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:28:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.004751.27659@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>In article <lis.726153291@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

1) Catwoman - I enjoyed this at it's beginning but it seems to be
losing steam.

>>2)  Blue Devil:  I've never read his book, but if it's as entertaining
>>as this story, I'll rescue it from the quarter bin.  This is just
>
>Actually, I've been disappointed in this story as compared to the original
>run of BD. Particularly the first 10 issues, this was in a lot of ways
>a precursor to the early Giffen/DeMatteis JLI. There was also a wonderful
>annual which featured Madame Xanadu, Etrigan, Phantom Stranger, Creeper,
>and a batch of other supernatural types. On the other hand, the version
>of Cain and the House of Mystery which pops up later on doesn't mesh
>that well with the one from Swamp Thing and Sandman.

I agree with tyg's comparison, but it's still nice to see the guy in
action again.  The annual is one of my all-time faves, and is what got
me into Blue Devil in the first place (being a Creeper fanatic), the
ending is one of the best of the humor variety that I can recall.
This one seems to be improving a bit, though; the first installment
had a mid-70's flavor somehow that left a bad taste, this one seemed
whackier and therefore better :)

>>3)  Cyborg:  I used to be a huge Titans fan.  Definitely a past-tense
>
>The best way to describe this story was a "Fuck you" at a reader or
>Cyborg fan. The situation the character has been put in is bad enough;
>it's not even a change in personality, how well or badly that might be

Gotta agree with this sentiment, the end result was truly insulting, and
it was a pretty silly story.  What personality >:) ?

I was such a big fan of the original Showcase -- I still read some of
the few that I have with a lot of fondness -- that I really wanted
this series to work.  Now that I've seen a couple, I wonder if DC is
capable of doing a decent anthology anymore (I'd love to have one done
well).  I think I'd rather go back to the original format of new
characters, if they can't do better than this.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
............................................................
"When children are playing along on the net,
   in comes the playmate you never have met,
 Nobody heard him and nobody saw,
   his is a picture you never could draw."
g-carnagey@uchicago, with apologies to R.L.Stevenson
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Summary: Heavy sarcasm mode *on*
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:37:18 GMT
Organization: Free Faerie Front

And what about the time in "Dark Knight" when we see Reagan talking to
Superman?

Also, there was some futuristic Batman story where we saw a president
who looked a lot like Reagan. I remember that Batman faked his own
death at the end.

And I think there was some prestige-format book by Frank Miller where
we saw Reagan send Superman off to stop a nuke. Reagan was wearing a
radiation suit. I think the story had Batman in it (he was wearing
some powered armor).
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: When was the destruction of Daxam?
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:09:41 GMT

In article <C0pM1x.5vp@HQ.Ileaf.COM> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) writes:

(regarding the destruction of Daxam)

>*You* missed nothing...several DC editors and writers on the other hand...
>Yep, destroyed in the 30th century, and I've no idea where the WW crew
>is coming up with the idea it was killed off in the 20th (particularly
>given that Daxam liking us is the only reason Invasion failed, so if
>Daxam is gone, Earth is in deep trouble). But then I'm also starting to
>suspect that they've replaced Wm. Messner-Loebs with a pod person.


Oh, shucky-darn, Tom, don't you see?

A planet is an awful big place.

You have to destroy it at *LEAST* twice to get rid of it for good.

That's why Earth is still around in the 64th century after being
"irrevocably" destroyed in the 30th. . .


			How deserted lies the city
			once so full of people!
			How like a widow is she
			who was once great among the nations!
			She who was queen among the provinces
			has now become a slave.
				-- Lamentations 1:1

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:42:35 GMT

The crossover from heck:  Gaiman and Addams doing "The Endless Family
Meets The Addams Family".
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Comics Readers' Ages (was Re: PAD & Pros)
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:38:30 GMT
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz) writes:
> I have read said interview, and to be frank, the man makes a whole lotta
> sense. It doesn't really matter if McFarlane's writing stands up to some 
> comic-snob's idea of "good". The "elite 5%" really don't matter. For the
> most part they are covering up their own insecurity by creating a 'they' to
> artificially be superior to. 

	Heh, heh, heh.
	Not even worth ridiculing or refuting.
	I'll just ignore it, like I do McFarlane, over here in the
artificial world of the insecure elite, where quality actually seems to 
matter.
-- 
"I'm very in touch with my feminine side.  Women don't always want to be       
manhandled.  A lot of times they want to be made love to by a man who can do it
softly, like a woman."--Luke Perry                                             
  
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Happy Squid Appreciation Day -- the SQUIDDIES are here!
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 17:22:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Dani writes:
Roger Klorese writes:

>>>)>10. Favorite team of characters
>>>)Do the Endless qualify?  They have a collective name, powers, funny 
>>>>costumes, and angst.
>>>Surely the Endless are a family, not a team.
>>Surely the Fantastic Four are a family, not a team.  ;-)
>
>The Fantastic Four aren't Endless; they just age very very slowly.

Age?  I thought they just recycled bits and pieces of their costumes.

Robert Kelly
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From: Andrew.Brooks@launchpad.unc.edu (Andrew Brooks)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:51:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.165053.28995@Princeton.EDU> jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein) writes:
>danm@sr.hp.com (Dan Merget) writes:
>>Jacob Solomon Weinstein (jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU) wrote:
>>> Somewhere in Lucien's library is a multi-volume collection called "The
>>> Set Of Books From Which Jacob S. Weinstein Would Derive The Most
>>> Pleasure and Edification." It contains precisely the maximum number of
>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> such books that I'll be able to read in my lifetime. I'd love to get my
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> hands on it.
>>
>>If I were you, I wouldn't be in a hurry to finish that last volume.
>
>I hadn't thought of that. Hmmm... It brings to mind Newcombe's paradox.
>If I never read the last volume, would I be guaranteed to live forever?
>If I wanted to kill myself, could I speed read the whole thing?

Ah, but you specifically stated that it was the maximum number of
such books that you would _be_able_to_ read in your lifetime.  So,
speed-reading and doing nothing but read must already be factored
in.  Realistically, then, it would still be a good idea to read
them in order of preference :)

Zoz
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From: enpontel@dante.nmsu.edu (PONTELLI)
Subject: European G.I.Joe
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:31:50 GMT

Hello,
I was wondering if anybody could help me. I have heard some time ago 
something regarding an English version of G.I.Joe. Do you know anything 
about it ?

						Enrico

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