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From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: re: interracial dating
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:46:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: opie.1992Oct12.114603.1
Organization: Bowling Green State University


	I agree that love is where you find it, but at what expense.  I have
had many friends that have dated interracially.  They had to sneak around and
meet their girlfriends at certain times of the night and week.  My friends
could not call the girls homes out of fear their parents would answer and
figure out their little secret.  Once a friend of mine was caught by a girls
father in their home and chased out with a colt 45.  He was called nigger and
told  by the girls father never to see his daughter again or else. My friend
continued to see the girl.  Now you tell me, is it worth it? 
                                             

					Chris Hill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: tolas@microsoft.com (Tola Soyode)
Subject: Re: National flag for blacks
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:02:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: n/a

In article <1992Oct6.123401.14284@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org wrote:
> 
>        In todays Columbus Dispatch(pronounced Disgrace) is an article
>     about a black veteran who has unfurled an african american flag.
>     It seems while at a VA hospital Floyd Decker experienced just
>     one of those indignities that is our lot. A fellow white vet
>     said something like, "Your race of people haven't got nothing."
>     Then pointing to Old Glory flying above the VA he said, "We got
>     that to represent us, but you people don't have nothing." Hence
>     the new flag.
>
Poeple who talk this kind of bunk are a danger to the country. I fear that
many sport this kind of crassness.

Patriotism should involve mutual support and common goals amongst citizens
of the same country. If these attributes are lacking, then patriotism
becomes a series of jingoistic gestures and postures. Flags become irrelevant.

Tola Soyode



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**The opinions expressed here are those of the author and not those
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: All The More Reason To End Welfare
Summary: Why those good for nothing........... 
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:02:09 GMT

	Greetings,

	Thought that I would share this with you folk. 

				Carter


    
MORE WHITES BENEFIT FROM AID:
   Whites use government safety-net programs more than blacks or 
Hispanics and are twice as likely as minorities to be lifted out 
of poverty by help they get, says the Center on Budget and Policy 
Priorities. The Washington, D.C., think tank, in a report out 
Friday, says that in 1991 government aid lifted 45% of poor whites 
out of poverty, compared to just 20% of blacks.
    
POOR MORE LIKELY TO BE WHITE:
   Half of the USA's 35.7 million poor people are white, 29% of 
the poor are black, 18% are Hispanic, says a report out Friday. 
Even in urban areas, there are four poor whites for every three 
poor blacks and every two poor Hispanics, says the Center on 
Budget and Policy Priorities. However, a larger percentage of 
minorities are poor - 32.7% of blacks, 28.7% of Hispanics, 9.4% of 
whites.
    


--
 "The oak sleeps in the acorn, the gaint sequoia sleeps in it`s tiny seed,
  the bird waits in the egg and God waits for his unfolding in man."
       Funkadelic                       bing@concert.net
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:02:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Oct12.190224.9757
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct12.160759.14533@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>
>What Might Be Called 'Cultural Differences':
>
>We as Blacks and Whites share some common history.We were the slaves and they 
>were the masters.  OUR women warmed their beds while their women stayed up all
>night quilting yet another bedspread. Who do you translate this to your mixed 
>child?  Or do you just ignore the hard truth and just say "Can't We All Just  
>Get Along?"  
>
>} There is only one race: human.
>
>Don't believe the hype.  If you've just carelessly thrown your Black identity 
>to the wind, that is a personal problem. But DO NOT try to tell me that we are
>all just people because in this country we have people and we have "better"  
>people.  I did not make it that way, and I DON'T accept it! I won't accept it 
>for anyone!
>
>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African

Hmm. Interesting idea you present here. Tell me...who's your master? Oh, and to
add to that, if because I am white I am automatically evil and part of the
slaveholding abomination, then shouldn't I get some advantages? Like, maybe
I could have some slaves, maybe? Hmm?

(For the sarcasm-impaired, that was dripping sarcasm)

No, things are NOT perfect. Yes, there IS rascism, most of it directed against
the various minority groups in the population as a whole. However, I am an
individual. Is that clear? I have never had a slave, I have no desire to, I
think the entire idea is nauseating. So some people a few generations back had
slaves - yes, I agree - that was wrong.

BUT, _I DIDN'T DO THAT_. And neither, to my knowledge, have any of my friends.
Or my relatives. Or for that matter, anyone I know or have heard of.

There was an interesting institution that was gradually done away quite a few
centurie ago, i.e., "The sins of the father are the sins of the son." Which is
EXACTLY what you are proposing. And THAT is easily as much an abomination as
the horrors created from the systemic slavery instituted in this country. What
you are proposing is that I, who have NO control over someone's actions, a
someone who, I should point out, died a century or more ago, who happened to
have the same melanin content, , should be responsible and should pay for their
actions.

Or possibly, are you suggesting that there is some way I could have affected
the actions of some of those slaveholders who died over a century ago? Long,
long, LONG before I was even conceived? If so, please tell me how I can affect
the actions of people who lived before I was even born - it sounds like a
really useful trick.

	Geoff Tuffli
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Date: 11 Oct 1992 20:39:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct11.151157.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>I'm not trying to flame you (yes I am) Mr. Berkeley but what is the point your 
>trying to make.  I believe the lady was saying it was wrong to refer to the
>judge as being black.  You say that the word black has a lot of meanings in 
>the dictionary.  I see you listed the meanings.  It seems as though only the 
>terms negro and African-American fit the subject we are talking about.  Don't
>you think that to say that African-American ( or negro)  elected to high court 
>would be refering to the judge's color still? Please explain your point for
>quoting Webster.

"African-American elected to high court" to me refers to a member of a
particular ethnic group becoming a judge.  It's true that one physical
trait associated with that group is darker skin, but it means a great
deal more to me, and it's the least I think about when I read it.  For
the headline could have said "Sri Lankan elected to high court" and it
would mean something else entirely to me, even though the gentleman or
lady might have quite dark skin.
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:30:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct14.162432.24022@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu
(Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
>
[...]
>            why are white men not dating black women in equal numbers?
>Statistically one should expect that...

I wonder about this too.  'Round Oakland and the East Bay, interracially,
it's almost exclusively black male/white female and white male/asian female.
On the Berkeley campus, in fact, you almost see as many white men with
asian women as you do white men with white women.  It's fairly rare to
see a white man with a black woman and *extremely* rare to see an asian
man with a white woman.  At least, that's what I've observed.
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Dating...
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

BC>Subject: Jason Leigh

BC>I think to blame black-male and white-female relationships on Jim Crow laws
BC>slavery is ridiculous.  I don't think black men date white women because
BC>they have some subconscious feeling of inferiority as a result of slavery an
BC>Jim crow laws--thats absurd.  I said I was against dating interracially beca
BC>I am only attracted to black women.  Do I need to explain this?

No, you don't. That's fine and a personal preference.

BC> I am also
BC>against interracial dating because it is not excepted in today's society.

Oh my... Do you always do, what's expected in today's society (BTW,
which one?)? In that, you'll never ever change anything and will support
the stupid system and cement it.

BC>Also the majority of girls of different races that date black men seem to be
BC>whores and sluts.  They also tend to exclude themselves from dating anyone e
BC>but black men.

Oh, great. So black men are only worth to be dated by sluts, 'coz no
sensible white woman would ever date a black male? You have an
inferiority complex.


  I don't know about you, but I refuse to date a girl who is v
BC>promiscuous.  These girls (on the average now!!!) also seem to try and act a
BC>be black.  They only listen to rap and R&B music and talk just as black as y
BC>and me.  In other words these girls are fake.

And if you make career, just as the white man, you are fake?
[sarcasm off]

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Lust is Reason Enough
From: C15036@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:06:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Akron

In article <1992Oct12.155918.805@news.cs.indiana.edu>
"Lloyd T Jones" <tj@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
 
>
>bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>
>
>>       Mr. Jones I think there is a difference between enslaving your enemies
>>(like tribes in Africa) and enslaving innocent people like the europeans.  I'm
>>suprised that someone with such an education can't tell the difference
>>
>        Really?  I wonder how one who is enslaved would feel about how or why.
>Is there really a 'more noble' form of enslavement?  I think my education is
>precisely what allows me to see that there is no real difference, just a
>different excuse to achieve the same result...
 
         well, the way I see it enslavement of your enemy is much like putting
the enemy in prision(in modern terms) which is understandable but if an outside
just comes and enslaves you then that is a totally different story.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: re: interracial dating
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:30:47 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:

> 	I agree that love is where you find it, but at what expense.  I have
> had many friends that have dated interracially.  They had to sneak around and
> meet their girlfriends at certain times of the night and week.  My friends
> could not call the girls homes out of fear their parents would answer and
> figure out their little secret.  Once a friend of mine was caught by a girls
> father in their home and chased out with a colt 45.  He was called nigger and
> told  by the girls father never to see his daughter again or else. My friend
> continued to see the girl.  Now you tell me, is it worth it? 
>                                              
> 
> 					Chris Hill


Chris:
Is it worth it? The only two people who can answer that question are the 
two people in the relationship. No one else.
G.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: National flag for blacks
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:02:43 GMT

In article <BvqCp7.GFw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
>
>Obviously you know this stuff more than I do. But methought many Jews did not
>leave Germany coz elsewhere in the "white" world the folx were just as anti-Semitic.
>Specifically, more Jewish intellectuals were murdered in Poland than in Germany (of
>course, the culprits were just "obeying orders" as usual)[BTW, during recent elections,
>Lech Walesa kept on using the term "intellectuals" in reference to the Jews, much in the same way
>Quale uses the term "caltural elite" to mean all those against his notion of "family
>values"];the Baltics were not much of a heaven either; US of A was returning the refugees
>back to their death etc...Uncle Sam is still doing the same shit to the Haitians.
>
.
Which reminds me of the Time article last week regarding the
cultural elite.  Mike Nichols stood up at a Clinton rally in
Hollywoodland and said, "Let's not fool ourselves who the cultural
elite is...good evening, fellow Jews."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:21:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <12NksB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> by galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross):

> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
> 
> > 	I agree that love is where you find it, but at what expense.  I have
> > had many friends that have dated interracially.  They had to sneak around and
> > meet their girlfriends at certain times of the night and week.  My friends
> > could not call the girls homes out of fear their parents would answer and
> > figure out their little secret.  Once a friend of mine was caught by a girls
> > father in their home and chased out with a colt 45.  He was called nigger and
> > told  by the girls father never to see his daughter again or else. My friend
> > continued to see the girl.  Now you tell me, is it worth it? 
> >                                              
> > 
> > 					Chris Hill
> 
> 
> Chris:
> Is it worth it? The only two people who can answer that question are the 
> two people in the relationship. No one else.
> G.
> 

I agree completely that it's only the business of the two people concerned.  It
just boggles my mind that two people would let others, especially strangers who
don't give a damn if they live or die, dictate something so important to them.

Of course, I don't react well to people who don't have my best interests at
heart telling me my business.  Those who do, usually switch to other, more
pleasant and safer activities like poking lions with a swizzle stick.... :)


As much and as frequently as I excoriate Cleveland and its inhabitants, I have
to admit that it's a lot more civilized in this regard than most other places
I've been.  I haven't seen this many mixed couples since I was in the army.
That isn't to say that Cleveland isn't infused with large amounts of racism,
which it certainly is.  On the other hand, I've noticed some interesting 
differences in which tolerance and racism manifest themselves in comparison to
Chicago.

1. Maybe I just haven't gone to the right places here, but Blacks and Whites
party in different places and rarely do the twain meet, unlike in Chicago where
there appear to be neutral territories where the races mingle. 

2. On the other hand, housing is strictly segregated in Chicago, whereas in 
Cleveland, I've been in places where I couldn't accurately tell the principal
racial composition of the neighborhood from observing people on the streets.

In any case, it just amazes me the way people will allow strangers to make them
miserable with their own cooperation....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Ron Daniels' candidacy
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:03:49 GMT

There was a brother who sent some information re Ron Daniels'
candidacy.  This board has been full of "interracial" stuff back and
forth lately, and sometimes folks post under the wrong title.
If someone knows the post number (and I've looked back and forth,
honestly, trying to find it so I can reply to the man) please post
it just for me, myself and I.  Will the brother please stand up as
well?
.
A co-worker came by with a flyer on the Peace and Freedom Party's
endorsement of Ron Daniels.
.
If this is the same Ron Daniels who ran with Maulana Ron Karenga in
the Sixties and Seventies, he's a fourth or fifth cousin of mine...
 No brag, just fact.
.
Thank you.
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:13:03 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

Mr johsnson I totally agree.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:16:04 GMT

Hey I like your diversity. You got potential girl.  Well I grew up in Cleveland 
ohio ( I guess you can call it the ghetto).  In the inner city this type of
behavior is the norm.  Any other behavior is consider wrong and is not
tolerated.  So you either fit in or you get your nose broken.  I choose like
the majority of the others who lived there to fit in.
                              Chris Hill
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:22:48 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

I'm just amazed that anyone would have the nerve to tell another
person who they should feel attracted to, or even worse, to tell that
person *why* they feel attracted to someone.

David
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Those debates
Date: 12 Oct 1992 18:10:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <ISBELL.92Oct12075153@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu
(Charles L Isbell) writes:
->Perot won the soundbite war.  The best line:
->
->On Bush's claim of experience:  "Well, they got a point.  I don't have
->any experience running up a 4 trillon dollar debt."

I thought his best line was: "If you've got a better idea, I'm all ears." 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Rating brothers and white guys
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:15:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.193626.21427@cbnewse.cb.att.com>  
ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:

} what's wrong with me???  i can *read*, and *think* stupid;
} problems you obviously don't have to concern yourself with.

You need to watch what you say here.  When you say something, it  
is taken VERY literally.  If you really wanted to make those
stupid and unfair comments about Gabrielle, you should have read  
it, sat back and chilled for a while, and THEN post something.   
Maybe after doing that you posts would seem more intelligent and  
helpful.  Then again, maybe not, but nothing ventured, nothing  
gained.  It's not WHAT you do; it's HOW you do it ...

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:20:22 GMT

I agree with you.  Black people should leave White people alone!  In the Gay  
community, you see White couples and you see Mixed couples.  Blacks one are  
VERY rare.  Why do you think that is?  It's because some of us Blacks still  
think that "White Is Right" and "Black, Get Back".  It's the truth!  Until we  
can straighten that problem out within ourselves, we should just leave White  
people alone!  To see so-called Black "celebrities" on-campus always  
galavanting with Whites, always hugging Whites, always listening to White  
music, always doing White things while forsaking everything Black disgusts me  
because I think most Blacks look up to those people.  I'm proud to be Black.  I  
would really have to be deeply in love with a White man, and I better be  
convinced that he feels the same way.  Furthermore, I have to be respected as a  
Black man.  I really don't think that such a White person exists ...

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial dating
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:53:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: opie.1992Oct12.205358.1
Organization: Bowling Green State University

Let's end this discussion, because we are just arguing and straying away from
the point.  Mr. Jones I apologize for being so onesided.  Love is love when it
all boils down to the answer of our discussion.  I wish you and your wife the
best of luck.  Thank you for opening my mind.  I guess we all can never stop
learning from this game of life.  Please don't be mad, because I still feel that
it is in my best interest to date only black women.
From: FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Word On X: Sensational
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:11:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92289.111131FKR
Organization: Penn State University

I was wondering if the Movie Malcolm X was released yet. It was my understan-
ding that the movie would not be released for public until sometime near the
end of this month. Steve, did you see a closed viewing of the movie already?
If so, then I guess the movie is right on time which the released date.


Here's something else I would like to you know. The record store where I buy my
jazz stuff has a 2 CD piece on Malcolm X. It's done as an opera thing. I,
unfortunately, can't stand opera, but I'll forego this prejudice if the CD is
any good. Anybody know anything about this? Sorry, I don't have the name or
title of the author. I'll get it later and post it.

                    *
Fred Rozenblad      *  Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu   *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: peculiar language
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:11:57 GMT

	I'm not trying to flame you (yes I am) Mr. Berkeley but what is the point your 

trying to make.  I believe the lady was saying it was wrong to refer to the
 
judge as being black.  You say that the word black has a lot of meanings in 

the dictionary.  I see you listed the meanings.  It seems as though only the 

terms negro and African-American fit the subject we are talking about.  Don't

you think that to say that African-American ( or negro)  elected to high court 
 
would be refering to the judge's color still? Please explain your point for

quoting Webster.