From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Garvin forgets [Was:...fundamental question]
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:42:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <nyikos.717800606@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
#In <1992Sep24.025132.20642@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smgarvin@nyx.cs.du.edu (susan garvin) writes:
[extraneous attributions deleted]
##I think that Nyikos just figured out what a killfile is and
##feels a need to talk about it.  (I think that Dennis showed
##him his, and now Nyikos wants one that's BIGGER than Dennis'.)
#
#Dennis who?  Oh, I get it, you are still repeating those 
#unsubstantiated rumors about Dennis Hall being Steve Chaney.

No, I'm not.  

Scott Roby posted convincing evidence to talk.abortion at the
time that Chaney was posting as Hall.  Dean Kaflowitz spoke
to Dick Smith on the phone, and Mr. Smith confirmed what Scott
had posted.  I have seen written documentation myself from
Mr. Smith that the account in question was issued to Steve
Chaney.

##Why not?  Nyikos is adopting all of the worst behaviors
##of the various anti loonies in t.a., slowly but
#surely.
#
#Actually, I was lowering myself to the level of the various pro 
#loonies.

I understand that you prefer "pro-life" to "anti-choice,"
Nyikos.  I'm glad to see that you accept the "loony" designation.

##  Like DOD, he quotes out of context.  Like Suzanne,
##he pretends that he never saw articles which contradicted
##his claims. 
#
#Unlike Susan, I do not forget it when people talk about claims
#of anti-Semitism and demonstrate how the things Susan says support
#those claims do no such thing.

No one documented that Chaney and Holtsinger's .sigs are not
anti-Semitic.  Are you Jewish, Nyikos?

#BTW I did see the NY Times article, and asked Chaney about it, and
#he admitted he'd made a big mistake and had apologized for it.  He's
#also offering to apologize for the only other remark from him that
#smacks of anti-Semitism.  

A big mistake?  

He made an anti-Semitic comment and then fabricated evidence
to support his bigotry.

I've yet to see his apology for his other bigotted remarks.

#[I propose pro-lifers coin a term, "prenatal ageism" and start using
#it to refer to various dehumanizations of unborn humans, like
#"terminating a pregnancy", Adrienne's "zip nada nothing", etc.
#Susan even qualifies for a bit of postnatal ageism, as in "I see
#nothing..."]

Some other idiot tried "developmentalism."  I don't care
if you want to create terms to call me.  There are 
commonly used terms that accurately describe you and
Chaney/Hall.

Have you ever read Ms. Feldt's statement in its entirety,
Nyikos?

##I'm doing my best to join you.  Any explanations as to why Nyikos
##thinks that anyone values his opinion would be appreciated.
#
#You're still a long way off, Susan.  That civilized conversation
#we had on anti-Semitism a while back accounts for that.

Perhaps you should ask someone to read the text that you quoted
to you.

#BTW have you checked with any Orthodox rabbis yet?

Well, yes, Peter, I did, but not about abortion.  I asked
one of the rabbis at the yeshiva next door what he thought
about someone who referred to the beliefs of Reform Judaism
as "extreme and reprehensible."  He said that the person
was, at best, intolerant of other religions.  

Susan