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From: yang@luther.che.wisc.edu (Heewon Yang)
Subject: Re: KAIST gets ABET tests
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:53:01 CDT
Originator: yang@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep9.053918.9089@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.173817.21150@doug.cae.wisc.edu> I wrote:

>>And the original poster,Uhhyung Choi, is an undergrad student in KAIST
>>(junior or senoir?).                        ^^^^^^^^^
>
>Huh? I thought the guy was a Ph.D student!
>
>jae

 Maybe he is brilliant enough to make you think he is a Ph.D. student.:)

-Heewon.
--
 Heewon  Yang				yang@luther.che.wisc.edu
 Dept. of Chem. Engr.
 Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: The word "our" (was: New rule for our group !!!)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:13:34 GMT

No offense to those who have been posting recently.  But it has been a
while since I read any posting that capivated MY interest.   

A part of the blame can go to the Korean government that switched the
diplomatic tie to China.  Certainly they did not consider the amount ot
traffic their move was going to generate in this usenet.  The Korean
government should consult with this newsgroup.  Of course, we won't agree
on anything.  But at least we discussed the issue.  :)

Since I do not have anything constructive to say, I will pick on a word.

In article <1992Sep9.154540.12201@news.duc.auburn.edu> slee@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>Hello all!!!
>
>	I'd like to in troduce simple but important rule for our Korean group.
                                                             ^^^

This is a very interesting use of the word "our."  This word draws a line
between the insiders and outsiders.  I may be going too far, but I sense
that this Korean group is for "we, the Koreans" from this word.

Korean word for "our" is "oo-ri".  It is a very powerful word.  For
example, the word "oo-ri-na-ra" (our nation) automatically gives the sense
of unity to the population.

This "oo-ri" is not a directly translation of "our" because its usage is
rather unique.  For example, you may notice Koreans refering to "our
country" instead of "my country" when they talk about Korea.  The same can
be expanded to "our house", "our this" and "our that".

It is understandable to an outsider to this extent.  But this usage can go
very far.  The only son may refer to his mother as "our mother."  Perhaps
the most popular example of this word "oo-ri" is the lyrics of a song that
goes "our girlfriend is an old maid, she is paranoid about every little
thing do..."

So, next time you have a chance to talk to a Korean fresh from Korea, pay
attention to his/her usage of the word "our."  You may notice the subtle
difference I mentioned above.

>Sanguk LEE

James Choi, who had nothing better to say
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Koreanized English list
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:35:52 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep14.054049.23310@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>There are many English words used in Korea that are beyond recognition of
>native English speakers.

	Yes, and it may be faster just looking into Japanese Dict. to
	find those.  And I guess you know why.

	Out from the subject, the direct translation of 'flee market' really
	cracked me up along with some movie titles such as 'Pretty Woman';
	as a matter of fact, I was lost and very embarrassed since I've
	spent more than 80 % of my life in Korea.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yi@fife.ecn.purdue.edu (Juneho Yi)
Subject: Re: jinsil.0
Keywords: korea
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:22:21 GMT

Hi, yongseok,
This is waste of bandwidth, isn't it ?
Anyway, I will take a look at it.
-- yi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dcho@scott.skidmore.edu (douglas cho)
Subject: Re: The word "our" (was: New rule for our group !!!)
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:07:32 GMT


In article <1992Sep10.181334.12672@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>No offense to those who have been posting recently.  But it has been a
>while since I read any posting that capivated MY interest.   
>
>A part of the blame can go to the Korean government that switched the
>diplomatic tie to China.  Certainly they did not consider the amount ot
>traffic their move was going to generate in this usenet.  The Korean
>government should consult with this newsgroup.  Of course, we won't agree
>on anything.  But at least we discussed the issue.  :)
>
>Since I do not have anything constructive to say, I will pick on a word.
>
>In article <1992Sep9.154540.12201@news.duc.auburn.edu> slee@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>>Hello all!!!
>>
>>	I'd like to in troduce simple but important rule for our Korean group.
>                                                             ^^^
>
>This is a very interesting use of the word "our."  This word draws a line
>between the insiders and outsiders.  I may be going too far, but I sense
>that this Korean group is for "we, the Koreans" from this word.
>
>Korean word for "our" is "oo-ri".  It is a very powerful word.  For
>example, the word "oo-ri-na-ra" (our nation) automatically gives the sense
>of unity to the population.
>
>This "oo-ri" is not a directly translation of "our" because its usage is
>rather unique.  For example, you may notice Koreans refering to "our
>country" instead of "my country" when they talk about Korea.  The same can
>be expanded to "our house", "our this" and "our that".
>
>It is understandable to an outsider to this extent.  But this usage can go
>very far.  The only son may refer to his mother as "our mother."  Perhaps
>the most popular example of this word "oo-ri" is the lyrics of a song that
>goes "our girlfriend is an old maid, she is paranoid about every little
>thing do..."
>
>So, next time you have a chance to talk to a Korean fresh from Korea, pay
>attention to his/her usage of the word "our."  You may notice the subtle
>difference I mentioned above.
>
>>Sanguk LEE
>
>James Choi, who had nothing better to say
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quite so. ;-)

Doug. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dosa@doc.ece.syr.edu (S. Choi)
Subject: Re: Moon Festival
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: all
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:02:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: doc.ece.syr.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep10.234834.12980@wdl.loral.com> cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho) writes:
>Can anyone explain to me what the whole reason of this "Moon Festival"
>suppose to be?  I was watching the Korean TV last night I can't believe
>the traffic jam people go through to get out of town.  They're crazy!
>
>Thanks, in advance...
>
>Il Hyung Cho
>cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com

They are not crazy.  They are returning to their home for the holiday.
"Thanks Giving" is an American version of "Moon Festival". Get it ?

Seokrim Choi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: Re: An alt.korean.text anyone ?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep05.041434.7996@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.193311.19936@news.yale.edu> shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin) writes:
>>  As I posted before, ISO encoded HANGUL (ISO HANGUL is somewhat misleading
>>because it is not ISO standard,but it's made by Uhhyung Choi and for 
>>transmitting KS 5601 code via e-mail.)
>
>	Yes! This is why I was so confused about along with the
>	very brief but explains-all walk-thru on ISO-encding.
>
>	I almost wasted an hour before I read this article to
>	wondering how in the world this encoded code can represent
>	Hangul code that supposed to show up on Hanterm - it
>	could have been worse; I was pulling my hair out.
>
>	Why in the world does it have to be named following ISO?
   I guess ISO was used in its name because it convert KSC 5601 to a code to
be sent over mail which require every code in an e-mail to be
ISO-conformant.(-> 7bit char.,not MSB set). And, the author of this code
called it properly (i.e. ISO 'conformant' KSC code) as far as I remember.
By the way, SI/SO encoding was one of two suggestions made for transmitting
KSC 5601 in e-mail.  

   HANTERM 2.0  recognizes BOTH original KSC5601 and ISO-encoded(SI/SO
encoded) KSC 5601.

   Jungshik


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@duck.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: KAIST gets ABET tests
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:41:43 GMT

I thought ABET stands for something of Accreditation Board of Engineering(?)
T(? Technology??) something.  Any nameless state universtiy could hire
3 or 4 PhDs and start an undergrad program and get ABET accreditation
in few years (make copies of exams of a good student and an average student
and etc), then invite few faculty members certified(?) by ABET from
neighboring states and there's accreditation (hopefully no dining and
wining involved).  Obviously, though rare, even a well stablished school 
may loose accreditation (known to happen), which normally is regained next 
accreditation cycle after going thru a shape up.  I never heard of ABET 
accreditation for graduate program but who knows.  
Does anybpdy wonder why apparently respectable learning institutions KIT/KAIST 
from someplace in this planet want ABET, if that's the case.  Could that be 
something of made in the U.S.A. is good for everybody?  Being highly nosy 
and sarcastic as best as I can.
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Koreanized English list
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:39:31 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Sep14.133552.4257@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>	Yes, and it may be faster just looking into Japanese Dict. to
>	find those.  And I guess you know why.

Well, as you may have noticed with my list, I was aiming at English words
that were formed in Korea, such as "semi-classical music", not
mis-pronounciation of English words.

>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@bee.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: A Second Test(was Re: alt.korean.text anyone?)
Originator: uhhyung@bee.kaist.ac.kr
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 08:57:11 GMT


This is a second test for alt.korean.text. (ISO-2022-KR)
You can read the Hangul message here if you convert it with iso2ks
which is avaliable from BARAM.KAIST.AC.KR via anonymous ftp.
Please report Korean users the result of your site to the newsgroup
soc.culture.korean.
Thanks a bunch!

Uhhyung Choi
CS Dept., KAIST

$)C@L0M@: 5N9xB0 =CGh@T4O4Y.
@L GQ1[@: ISO2022 conformant manner7N @NDZ5e 5G>z@>4O4Y.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: The word "our" (was: New rule for our group !!!)
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:02:08 GMT

phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:

>>	I'd like to in troduce simple but important rule for our Korean group.

>This is a very interesting use of the word "our."  This word draws a line
>between the insiders and outsiders.  I may be going too far, but I sense
>that this Korean group is for "we, the Koreans" from this word.

>Korean word for "our" is "oo-ri".  It is a very powerful word.  For
>example, the word "oo-ri-na-ra" (our nation) automatically gives the sense
>of unity to the population.

>This "oo-ri" is not a directly translation of "our" because its usage is
>rather unique.  For example, you may notice Koreans refering to "our
>country" instead of "my country" when they talk about Korea.  The same can
>be expanded to "our house", "our this" and "our that".

I remember reading from somewhere that the word "oo-ri" comes from
"ool" or "ool-ta-ri" which means the fence around the house (especially
the traditional hay-roofed Korean house).

It certainly does draw a line between the insiders and outsiders.



Woong-Ki
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Koreanized English list
Date: 14 Sep 1992 08:03:15 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Sep14.054049.23310@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>There are many English words used in Korea that are beyond recognition of
>native English speakers.  Sometimes, it is not English at all.  I can think
>of a few.  Please feel free to contribute in public or by email to me.  I
>will make up the final list and post it.  It could be a FAQ for an American
>going to Korea or a Korean trying to communicate in the U.S.
>
>In Korea        In the U.S.
>========        ===========
>old miss        old maiden

 (rest deleted)

As an English-speaking person who had to learn Korean, I can recall 
many encounters with such Koreanized English words that left me either
baffled or guessing...

1. clothing :

  Waisyassu        "white shirt?" "Y shirt (like T shirt)" ? 

2. food (yangshik) :

  Hai-Raissu       "high rice ?"  (fried rice)
  Ton-Ggassu       "ton of gas ?" (pork cutlet, ggassu from Jap. katsu)
  Bihu-Ggassu      "beef gas ?"  (beef cutlet, same derivation as above)

Joe Huang
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 04 Sep 92 06:38 PDT
Subject: Seoul's Flunkeyism
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473700041:000:2166
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Sep  4 06:38:00 1992


quoted from:
 
        "ROK's Diplomatic Unskillfulness Irks Taipei"
        Park Chang-Seok, Ecinomic Editor
        The Korea Herald 1992/09/01
 
the first 30% of the a.m. comment describes the benefits of ROK's switch
from ROC to PRC, but then mainly criticizm concerning the procedure
followed:
 
"... The government seemed to have been in hot haste seeking recognition from
Beijing. First, the principle of reciprocity and equality, a yardstick broadly
used in diplomacy, has not been observed in Seoul-Beijing diplomatic dealing.
China carried through its purpose, maintaining ties with North Korea, while the
ROK was forced to abandon its old chum the ROC ..."
 
"... Controversy over the use of the current ROC's Embassy building symbolizes
the Seoul government's diplomatic unskillfulness ..." [Then reference to US
legislature for ROC to keep embassy building in US.]
 
"... He [an ROC official] said, that Singapore took necessary steps including
the dispatch of government emissaries beforehand to soothe the feelings of
the ROC people ..."
 
"... Critics even say that the hasty normalization of ties with Beijing expo-
sed Seoul government's flunkeyism, its being weak before strong powers and
acting tough with weak nations.
     The Roh Tae-Woo government should have been more polite in handling the
ROC issue in view of its past relations with the Chiang Kai-Shek government
that tremendously assisted Korea get its independence from Japanes colonial
rule." [This probably refers Chiang Kai-Shek's initiative to make the until
then ignored Korea question an issue during the Kairo conference in 1943.]
     Apart from historical relations, there are also other reasons ... to
have been mor earnest in handling the ROC issue ..." [Taiwan different now
from times, when US+Japan severed ties; economic power; world's largest
foreign exchange reserves of 83 bill. US$.]
 
"... The Korean people's love for Taipei has never changed despite the stark
political reality." [Seems to be the reason for predominantly critical comments
in the Korean language press on the Seoul government's handling of the whole
thing.]
 
 
 
Goetz Kluge
Seoul 1992/09/04
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@baram.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: Re: An alt.korean.text anyone ?
In-reply-to: dskim@eng.umd.edu's message of Sat, 05 Sep 92 04:14:34 GMT
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
	<1992Sep04.032621.21638@eng.umd.edu>
	<1992Sep4.193311.19936@news.yale.edu>
	<1992Sep05.041434.7996@eng.umd.edu>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 11:04:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep05.041434.7996@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:

   Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Path: kum.kaist.ac.kr!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!mojo.eng.umd.edu!dskim
   From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
   Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 04:14:34 GMT
   Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park
   References: <1992Sep3.173000.11278@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1992Sep04.032621.21638@eng.umd.edu> <1992Sep4.193311.19936@news.yale.edu>
   Lines: 23

   In article <1992Sep4.193311.19936@news.yale.edu> shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin) writes:
qqq > As I posted before, ISO encoded HANGUL (ISO HANGUL is somewhat
misleading
   >because it is not ISO standard,but it's made by Uhhyung Choi and
   for >transmitting KS 5601 code via e-mail.)

	   Yes! This is why I was so confused about along with the
	   very brief but explains-all walk-thru on ISO-encding.

	   I almost wasted an hour before I read this article to
	   wondering how in the world this encoded code can represent
	   Hangul code that supposed to show up on Hanterm - it could
	   have been worse; I was pulling my hair out.

	   Why in the world does it have to be named following ISO?

	   BTW, as for hcode, the command line option was quite
	   awkward for me, being spoiled(?) by getopt() style - UNIX
	   convetional option.

	   Thanks for the info.
   --
	   Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	   /PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	   dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Brief review of the student movements....
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:07:26 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep7.144823.24764@midway.uchicago.edu> sl26@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>The following article is about the brief history of the student movement in
>Korea since 1945(independence of Korea) till now, with my personal point of
>view. I post this article not only because it's one of the most intriguing
>elements of modern Korean history but also because it's kind of crucial to
>understand what's going on now in Korea.

	Just one thing, when they got either kicked out or got out of
	school, then what are they?
	Non-student movement?  Kicked-out-student movement?
	Why not Citizen's movement?
	If not Citizen's, why?
	Aren't they supposed to be just humble Korean Citizen?

	Just my personal opinion.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: Korean Word Processor or Word Perfect extension
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:16:08 PDT

Is there a good MS-DOS word processor that supports Korean,
or a way for me to extend Word Perfect 5.1 to support
the Korean Alphabet?
Please respond to me via Email if possible, my system sometimes
loses messages in some groups.

-Roger
--------------------------------------------------------------
bix: ruzun
NET: uzun@crash.cts.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: A Second Test Again (Was Re: An alt.korean.text anyone ?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:07:49 GMT

In article <UHHYUNG.92Sep6195650@bee.kaist.ac.kr> uhhyung@bee.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi) writes:

>I hope somebody else can do the same experiment in his/her local site.

The test on my local news group with ISO2022kr encoded HanGul also failed
:-(

-- 
----
Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on
Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yongseok@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Yongseok Park)
Subject: jinsil.1
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:25:05 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: hangul news
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:51:18 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park


	Well, it doesn't look too good so far.

	Mr Uhhyung Choi quoted RFC for NNTP that mentions
	about 8 bit losing sign bit; but that was for
	NNTP (Net News Trans. Protocol?) command set, not
	for the Body text; and there's nothing wrong with it.

	When it comes down to Body, NNTP doesn't parse it except
	trailing '\r', '\n' or '.'.

	RFC821,822 should explain about Body; but there is also
	OLD RFC 7??.

	In theory, once file is handed over nntp; most often it
	goes thru inews (either CNews/Bnews) which is transport
	layer for nntp.

	Now, I'll try to capture the file created by Pnews as the
	last step before getting into CNews/Bnews stuff which
	will be quite nasty work to do.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@baram.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: KAIST gets ABET tests
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 12:00:17 GMT

During this week, ?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4185 soc.culture.asian.american:8828 soc.culture.asean:5974