HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Snakes and Dogs
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:58:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.155217.6123@ncar.ucar.edu> shan@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Val Shanahan) writes:
>
>	There are some rattlers in the Boulder area, as well as bull snakes.
>I have a friend whose large dog was bitten by a rattler (on the nose).  He
>walked his dog back to the truck and took her to the vet.  If memory serves
>me right, the vet did nothing. He said most dogs (large ones anyway) will not
>have serious problems from snake bites, just watch the dog for any reactions
>and bring her back if there seems to be a problem.  He didn't have to take the
>dog back and there were no problems or reactions.
>
>Val
>
A frend of mine lost his 90lb male Alaskan Malamute to a rattle-snake
bite.  My recolection is that he was bitten on the face (not the nose, but nearer to
the eye on the side of the head).  This person decided to wait until morning
to take it to the vet.  By then, the dog had died.  I don't know
if the vet would have done anything or not (I should point out that this was
several years ago).  Does anyone know if there is "anti-venom" for dogs?

srlee@beta.lanl.gov




Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Vicious dog definition
Keywords: vicious
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:05:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.142211.1737@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>While Michael's post is, by and large, well taken, I do have a comment.
>
>In article <5jxj+4k.sss@netcom.com> sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:
>= 
>= Rhode Island has a sensible vicious dog definition:
>= 
>[...]
>= 	Any dog not licensed according to state, city or town law.
>[...]
>
>I disagree with the inclusion of licensing under the definition of
>vicious dogs.  Regardless of your views of dog-licensing, failure
>to have a license does *not* affect a dog's disposition.  My own
>view is that licensing is a revenue-collection scheme (much like
>speeding tickets :) and should be a separate regulation.  As I said
>earlier, the rest seems sensible.
>

I think the reasoning behind this particular definition has to do with
a previous one, which said something like,

	"Any dog with a know propensity, tendency or disposition to
	attack..."

I would suspect that records on this are kept by using a dog's license
number.  If it's not licensed, there's no way to check whether it's
been a problem before.  Therefore, with no license, the worst case is assumed.

This is only conjecture on my part, of course.

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu



From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:00:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Dogs learning to be protective (was Re: Friendly dogs as Protection??)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

> Sled dogs, particularly Malamutes, aren't very "people-oriented" dogs --
> they're dog dogs.  Malamutes bitches were frequently tied out when
> in heat so as to be impregnated by wolves.

I don't know where you got your information but add me to the list of
Malamute owner whose dog's idea of defending the house is to lick people 
to death.
She is one of the most people oriented dog I've owned (except in the case of
people with beards and deep voices where she is noticably more cautious at
first).
If you do a good job at socialization when they are puppy Malamutes are
as people oriented as any other dog. 
Tie them up outside to be impregnated by wolves or because you are afraid 
they might get the carpet dirty and you get what you deserve...

(Note that the 'you' is meant in general. I'm not accusing you of doing
any of this :-)

bruno.
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:05:14 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

Email
From: jmorris@alw.nih.gov (Jackie Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Vacationing with Dog
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:15:17 GMT
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL

In article <_m2H5yeq6@cs.psu.edu>, dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough) writes:
|>      As summer is soon upon us, we are beginning to draw up plans
|> for a week long vacation at the end of May.  What I would like is as much
|> information as possible as to what the various state and provincial 
|> regulations are on dogs in campgrounds.  I know that in National Parks
|> they are not allowed (or at least I think I know this, if I'm wrong tell
|> me).  How about National Forests, National Monuments, National Recreation
|> Areas .....  Also, does anyone know the regulations for various state and 
|> Provincial Parks.  As I am in Pa.  I am mainly interested in neighboring
|> or nearby states.  If there is enough interest I will summarize for the
|> net.  Thanks in advance for any information that is available.
|> 
|> 
|> David Hartsough
|> dave@bogosity.chem.psu.edu

-- 



I live in Washington DC and last weekend I took my dog to Great Falls National Park (at least I think it's a national park). Dogs are welcome! You can simply walk your dog along the many, many miles long "tow-path" alongside the Chesapeake and Ohio canal or do as I did and take the "Billy Goat Trail." The billy goat trail involves much rock-climbing through the woods and along the water. There are lots of places for the dog to stop and take a drink or a dip in the water. My dog, a greyhound mix was thrille





d with the trail through the woods. We live in the city so it's a big novelty for her. There were a few slippery spots that I had to help her over, and a few places that it was tempting for her to leap off a particularly high rock, but overall it was the best day I've had with my dog in a  long time. 

If you do wind up in Washington, you can also take your dog down to the Mall, which is the large grassy area where the Washington Monument and the Smithsonian are centered about. You can also take your dog to Rock Creek Park, which has a great bike trail blocked off from car traffic on weekends that runs along the Northwestern border of DC into Maryland.  
___________	
	Jackie Morris
	NIH/DCRT/NTG
	jmorris@alw.nih.gov		(301)402-2729
From: dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Canine-L list
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:08:14 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College

--I hope someone in this news group can help me out.  I'm  fairly new to
email, have only had it a few weeks, but I subscribe to both Canine-L.bitnet
and feline-l bitnet.  I've enjoyed mail from both, but when I try to respond
to the canine-l I get the reply that I'm not authorized and my message is 
rejected.  It says to contact one of the owners whose addresses are at
the end of the message.  I've tried, but keep getting error messages when
I attempt to send to what's there.  I have no trouble at all with the Feline
list and am enjoying a lively "conversation" with members.

If anyone out there knows the correct address for Canine would you please
let me know so I can solve the problem?
Thanks. 

Deb Whitney
From: soto@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Soto)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Basenjis
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:26:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.21020142
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.pets.dogs, Elizabeth Adams <EADAMS@auvm.american.edu> writes:

> I've been reading the postings in this group and wonder if there are
> other basenji fans out there.
> 

  Yes, and I am one.

  My wife and I currently own a 14 month old black & white male, and a 
4 month old red & white female.  The male was bought as a pet and the female
as a show bitch.  By the way, his name is MAJOR and her name is WILY.  
During the first 9 months of owning MAJOR we felt that he needed a friend that
could better exercise him, hence the 2nd dog.  It has been great.  They play
all the time and having two has been a real blast.  They both are real clowns.

  As a proud owner, I must mention that MAJOR entered his first lure trial
this weekend and WON best of breed.  Granted there was only 3 other basenji's
in the field, but hey, he still won.  It was such a blast to see him run his
heart out.

  Good luck with your new pup

  Ron Soto
  303-229-4518
  soto@hpfcpg.fc.hp.com
From: libman@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Does Gary Larson own a dachshund?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 16:42:51 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu


This is not Marlena Libman.  I am her sister and she is allowing
me to post this using her account.
So much for the disclaimer.

I have noticed that Gary Larson seems to have a keen interest
in wiener dogs (i.e. dachshunds), especially female black and
tan ones.  Both the Wiener Dog Art Far Side Collection and the
Wiener Dog Art calendar feature many female black and tan 
dachsies.    

Does anyone know if this is because he owns or has
owned one?  If so, what is the wiener's name?

			--Bonnie
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:21:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Apr6.145535.21962@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell) writes:
>I am new to this newsgroup, so forgive me if I'm posting to the wrong group.
>
>I bought a new puppy (pedigreed tri-color collie) in February.  She just
>turned 3 months old.  Last week she was stolen from our yard - the lock was
>cut on her pen.  I feared this type of thing happening; therefore the pen and
>lock.  The thiefs did not get our 1-year old dog.
>


ARRGGHHH!!!!  Collies are very common objects of theft.  One of Mauii's
Puppies was stolen from his owners pen when he was just under 1 year old
(same deal--lock cut).  Did you have a collar on her?  It may not help,
but try to locate the collar it will indicate the direction (maybe) that
the theif took. 

>Any suggestions on finding our puppy?   I've not yet reported it to local
>police, as I doubted they could help.  Any chance that a puppy-stealing ring
>could be in existence - and how do I got about finding them out?
>
>Any help would be appreciated.  Please reply to newsgroup.

Call the police, don't touch the lock.  There may be fingerprints.
Post ALL OVER THE NEIGHBOORHOOD!  Pictures! Large bright posters!
Call the local shelters, the local vets for someone bringing in a
new female tri-collie puppy.  Indicate any special markings.  Half-collar
of white around her neck.  Advertise in the paper, but DON'T give
them the name you are calling her.  Don't agree to send any reward
until you have your hands on the dog.  Contact the breeder, they
will want to know.  Call your local vet school to see if some sold her
there for research.  Look at least 100 miles in every direction.
Call your state police also.  

If you get another puppy -- HAVE IT TATTOOED!
You have at least some chance of finding her that way.
If there is a puppy stealing ring in the area, start asking pet stores in
the area for local collie breeders.  It's likely that a puppy mill
may have purchased stolen pups (especially females) for puppymills.
Go to them looking for another collie and ask to see all the collies
(make them think you so much loved the last dog you had from them
that you JUST HAD to get another from them)  Then see if your pup is
back there.  If this was a professional job, you probabbly won't see
your pup again :( .

Keep any picture you have of her for identification.
Look all over and don't give up for a few months.  Someone may
be hinding her until you forget about her.  Try to remember anyone
in the area that remarked on how nice your new puppy was or
said,"gee I want a puppy just like that."  

I hope all this helps.
I'm really sorry for you, I'd be screaming mad too.

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Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legned of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: And what, pray tell, do you think she is?
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:57:51 GMT

My darling puppy, Mirin, has presumably turned 1 year old this month.  This is,
of course, just a best guess by us and our vet when we rescued her.  (Long story,
but she was malnourished and starving).  It has been the topic of some debate as
to what she has in her, so I figured I'd go ahead and try the net.

Now I realize you don't have a picture, but I can give you a description and a
best guess by some people.

17 inches at the shoulder
short hair, but double coat
huge upright ears (remember Gizmo in Gremlins?)
gorgeous blue eyes (not glassy, but rich blue with lavender)
curly tail
white with a red stripe down the back, reddish ears and red fur around eyes
about 35 lbs
racing dog body -- lean and tucked
she barks

Some people have guessed Basenji; but I'm hesitant, because she barks.
Secondly, I'd like to think she's got Siberian in her because of those blue eyes.
She is also very bold and incredibily intelligent.  (I have 3 other dogs 50+ lbs
and she will stand up to all of them; even my Alpha male who is 25 inches at
shoulder and weighs 72+ lbs).

Any suggestions?

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From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: SKUNK! phewww
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:02:54 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

>   To get rid of the smell - the best thing I've used is vinegar diluted
>   with water.  I've heard that douches work, but I assume it's the
>   vinegar in them that works.  I usually soap the skunked areas, then
>   apply the vinegar - let it sit a little while, and then soap again.
>   Don't get the vinegar in the dog's eyes.  If he's skunked really
>   bad, don't expect to get all the smell out but what smell is left
>   will go away faster.

Makes sense. We use diluted lemon juice (RealLemon) on ours, and use Dawn
dishwashing liquid as the soap (really cuts that grease :-). 

Reminds me of the time Tristan got skunked (Look, Mom! A cat to chase!) &
Bob was out of town. The whole side of the house stunk, everything in it 
seemed to smell, and when a friend brought over tomato juice, Tristan ate
my breakfast (which happened to be the only food in the house). He still
lived :-)
-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Dog kills another-is Sheba safe?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:00:49 GMT


I described this incident to a friend of mine, and she immediately
wondered if the shar-pei was trying to "save" the golden.  Many dogs
will lie on a wounded dog (or person) to try and keep them warm.

Was there blood in her mouth or just on her?

--Cindy


--
Cindy Tittle Moore -- anxiously awaiting lab puppy in mid-June.

Currently working on rec.pets.dogs FAQ.  Now in seven parts, preliminary
versions of five parts have been posted.  Anticipated "official" posting
(crossposted to news.answers and archival at FTP site) in early May.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Spaying and Neutering/terminology
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:53:29 GMT

laramie@ecs.umass.edu writes:

>not establish pack order with these dogs. They let them do whatever 
>they want. Dogs need pack order; it's in their makeup. The owners
>are doing the dog no favors here - and besides, many times they end
>up euthanized because the family can no longer handle their obnoxious
    ^^^^^^^^^^
This is another word I don't like the way it's used with respect to
dogs.  While you've got your dictionary out, look up "euthanasia."  
It comes from the Greek roots EU-good and THANOS-death.  It means 
"killing to prevent or end suffering".  I think it is implied that 
the suffering that is being prevented or ended is the suffering of the 
person or animal being killed.  So therefore, killing a dog because his 
obnoxious behaviors have become tiresome is not euthanasia.  Killing a 
person because he is obnoxious is murder, and the same goes for dogs.
Please forgive my anthropomorphizing.

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Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Friendly dogs as Protection??
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:16:35 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

Terry Hull writes lots of really good to the point stuff incl:
>  IMHO, the only way
>to know for certain that a dog would be protective is to train him to
>be protetive.  On the other hand, taking a class in self defense might
>be a better solution to the problem and certainly would take less time and
>put less liability on your shoulders.

Well its again the ol yes and no.  I am a professional in the
self defense business (means I get paid for teaching it... empty
handed and armed), but I know my limits, it takes years of constant
practice to reach and maintain a state of capable self defense.
Liability, I still have that issue w/o my dog; you can see the headlines:
local Martial Arts instructor, [shoots/stabs/breaks] teenage hoodlum and
you can imagine the wrongful wounding questions I would face in court :-(

In fact in Virginia, odds are I fare better in the courts if my dog
eats the bad guy (though the dog might be put down  :-(   ).

Someone else writes:
Dog may be expecting you to protect it ....
Dog very sensitive to who is at home

For real.  I think our dog espects me to protect it, but figures
it is his job to protect wife and son (maybe he thinks he is number
2 in the pack).

Anywho, here is what I need to do, mayhaps you can help me.  I make
jewelry, some of the stock is kept upstairs.   We also have parties,
and leave the downstairs open.  I would like to train the dog to
allow only family upstars, barking at(rather than biting) anyone who
who tries to go upstairs, how can I accomplish this? 
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: long haired German Shepard?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:45:29 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <BDS.92Apr16084023@maui.linus.mitre.org>, bds@maui.linus.mitre.org (Barry D. Smith) writes...

>My puppy started class the other day (he's so cute sitting there
>trying to do good things with all those other dogs around him -- but
>that's another story).  One of the dogs in the class is a 3 year old
>long haired German Shepard.  Its owner said the father was from
>Germany, where long haired Shepards are recognized, even though the
>AKC doesn't recognize them here (this is similar to what is happening
>with long haired Weimaraners).  I can say the dog was beautiful, with
>significantly longer and finer hair than any German Shepard I've ever
>seen.  He also had the largest paws I've seen on any dog (reminded me
>of the paws I once saw on a full grown Grizzly).  Does anyone know
>anything about these dogs?  I'm just interested because I've never
>seen one before.  Thanks.

I'm no expert on breeds but when I was a kid, my Grandfather, who was 
from Germany, had a dog he called a German Shepherd that was just as 
you describe.  When I tell people about this dog I always feel as if I 
have to explain that it wasn't like the dogs we call German Shepherds.
It was quite a bit bigger, less lean, and had longer hair.

In another thread in this group someone mentioned that her insurance 
agent said her polocy wouldn't cover her if she owned a Rottweiler, 
Doberman, Pit Bull, or GS.  I thought it was strange that they'd 
assume viciousness in the GS - a dog bred for shepherding.  My 
Grandfather's dog was the most gentle dog imaginable.  And he was 
excellent at herding my Grandfather's dairy cows.

I hope someone who *is* an expert on breeds posts a message on this 
subject.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
**************** Not responsible for lost or stolen articles. ****************
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Aggression towards my dog
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.192902.9153@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lorange@spot.Colorado.EDU (LORANGE HANS P) writes:

(basically a nice ACD somehow seems to encourage other dogs to pick
fights with her)

>
>She is not submissive towards other dogs and we wondered if she somehow gave
>off some kind of "signal" which triggered these responses.  She will approach
>these other dogs with head up and tail wagging, almost overly friendly and then
>once a fight starts, the "friendship" is quickly over.
>

Watch more closely the actions you're labeling "almost overly
friendly".  If her head is up, ears very erect, tail held high and
wagging, legs stiff, etc., and in general her whole demeanor is erect,
then she's using dog body language that's challenging.  In particular,
if she tries to put her head over the other dog's shoulders, or tries
to put her front legs on the dog's shoulders, all in a very crisp,
erect, straight-legged way, she's trying to show she's top dog.

Most ACD's I've come across tend to be a little dog aggressive (not
saying yours is, just ones I've seen).  Part of that observation comes
from owning an ACD/Aussie cross (my other Aussie cross may be part ACD
too - she and the first *don't* get along).

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They??
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:07:27 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <kur3vdINN55u@news.bbn.com>
    rfradenb@bbn.com (Roger Fradenburgh) writes:
>
>I'll bet this means you didn't enjoy "All Dogs Go To Heaven,"
>doesn't it?  :-)
 
I haven't seen it.  In fact, the last movie I saw at a theather
was "The Empire Strikes Back"  :-(
(having kids will do that to you....)
 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: millios@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (william.l.millios)
Subject: Re: Dog baths
Followup-To: att!homxa!millios
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:07:23 GMT

Ok, so let's have some recommendations as to which shampoos you
prefer...

Keep in mind:

which are better for water dogs?
Puppies?
which do better with ticks and fleas?


I was a bit overwhelmed when I saw the shampoo section in RC Steele.
I was tempted to just dig out the Head and Shoulders.

Bill
From: kae@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Karen Erickson)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:10:52 GMT
Subject: Panicky dog and T-storms
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA