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From:         Julie Marie Williams <jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Psychometrics and Fellowships

So it's not only having a previous fellowship that predicts getting a
fellowship, but also GRE results, minority status and research proposals.
Is this a circular argument, or what??!!

Julie
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
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              13 Aug 1992 11:52:00 PST from <ldunn%clstad.decnet@CSUPOMONA.EDU>

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:52:00 PST CLSTAD::LDUNN said:
>Matthew, You said that stimulants are often subscribed in conjuction with
>lithium. I found this interesting because the gentleman that I referred to
>told me that he was not suppose to ingest any stimulants (coffee, chocolate)
>while on Lithium. Now I wonder why stimulants would/would not be subscribed.

Perhaps if the person is primarily manic, then the stimulants would
work in opposition to the effect of the lithium.  I can not imagine
what would be the reason if the person is primarily depressive.  Maybe
in this second case, the individuals physiological condition may
complicate the effect of the lithium in conjuction with caffeine.
Do you mean caffeine whan you say stimulants?  Maybe he is not supposed
to ingest caffeine and was not prescribed a stimulant.

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From:         Julie Marie Williams <jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Cultural Bias or Cultural Diversity?

Sorry   :-)
I've never done any history in my life!!  (double :-)   !!!)
I guess I wasn't too aware of this fact about languages (ie that German and
French used to be the international academic languages).  So, in the overall
scheme of things, fair's fair.  That still doesn't mean fair's fair in _our_
lifetimes.
Anyway, that means I've learned TWO new things today!!  (Which is 2 more than
most days!!)
Am i becoming cultured, or what?!

Julie
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From:         CASE ELIZABETH <PSYGRDDEC@ORION.DEPAUL.EDU>
Subject:      PSYCGRAD as a resource
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First, thank you to everyone who helped me understand discrepancy theory,
I think I've got it now.

I'm really glad PSYCGRAD is here for me to ask such questions (there may be
more forthcoming!) as no one else is taking the same tests as I am and there's
no one to study with or ask these questions of!  I think this kind of thing
could be a great purpose of PSYCGRAD as well as a place for theoretical debate!
(especially when classes start back up *grin*)

thanks again,

Elizabeth in Chicago
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: GRE debate
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==>
==> As a stats nut you doubtlessly know more than I about regression and
==> its uses, but I thought that when the variables are correlated, you
==> cannot compare B's as a tool to build theories.
==>
	True.

	Otoh, I wasn't providing the regression line to build a theory, but
to demonstrate the application of one. The theory that those variables are
valid predictors already exists.

	One reason I supplied the line was so that interested list members
could plug their own data in and test the equation based on their own GPAs.

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From:         Don Gallogly <EUP_DG@CWU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: cheating

Here's a story I heard recently.  A good friend of mine has a master's degree
in special education and teaches in a high school in Oregon.  She got her
degree in the late '60s or early '70s.  Following her thesis she was required
to take comps; her area was learned helplessness.  What she said was this.

        "There was no way I could remember all those names and dates for the
citations in my essay!  So I made them up or I used my friend's names.  One
friend in particular had helped me study throughout graduate school, so I gave
her a couple of citations!"

I was floored when I heard this.  She is a very honest mother of three who
returned for her masters as her marriage was failing.  She told me, "They
[professors] can't remember all the publications on a particular topic and they
don't have time to go and check all of them."  I can't believe that she cheated
all the way through school, nor that she had the nerve to try this (I
wouldn't).  Also, she did not make up the "meat" of her essay, just the
citations.

Besides this anecdote I don't have anything to offer this discussion.  Cheating
happens in degrees.  I'd bet the majority of you have cited an article without
reading more than the abstract, or cited something you read about in a lit
review because you couldn't find the original and interlibrary loan would take
too long.

Don Gallogly
EUP_DG@CWU.bitnet
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From:         Julie Marie Williams <jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Cultural Bias or Cultural Diversity?

Kathy,

BECAUSE although English is "universal" it is not everyone's first language,
so "we are equal, but some are more equal than others".  All learning a new
language/Esperranto becoming everybody's first language would be more equal,
surely?

Julie
St Andrews
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Query for programmers

Is there anyone out there who is familiar with programming
in the CP/CMS environment that would be able to help the
team of editors on a small project?  We have a pascal program that
needs to be converted from the UNIX environment to the CP/CMS
system.  If you can help, please contact me personally.  Thanks.

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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject: Re: Cultural Bias or Cultural Diversity?

That's all very well, but how many of us English- speakers would
bother to learn the native language of a non-English speaking
country we went to study in?  Whenever I've been abroad I've ALWAYS
found that I can get by with very minimal language skills, simply
because the way of the world is that everyone pampers to English-
speakers.

I agree, and it's very sad to see.  However, I don't think you CAN
"get by" with minimal skills in "Ivory Tower-ese"--isn't that what
this conversation is all about? :)

Maybe Esperanto's not such a bad idea after all- it could rightfully
take the place of English, which seems to be the "universal
language" at the moment!!

Why replace one "universal language" with another?  Let's just
recognize the one we use in a given context, without denegrating the
others, and go with that.

--Kathy
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Computer Languages
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Chris,

	Your comments on c++ vs Pascal are absolutely accurate (you REALLY
think in c++ structures? I'd LOVE to study YOUR clinical profile <grin>).

	For serious program development c++ IS an excellent selection
(depending on the nature of the program of course, for AI better choices
exist) - but the thrust of the original message was that the language was
being taken as a program *requirement* not for the purpose of actually
mastering an additional language. Unless I badly mis-read the intent of that
message, it was apparent that the language would *not* play a vital part in
future work. Given this, Pascal is clearly the logical option (I assume that
BASIC was the *first* langauge studied, and that languages such as LISP or
ADA - both of which could have greater potential value than Pascal in terms
of future applications - were not options).

	Assembler, anyone? ];-)>

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From:         Gerri Oppedisano <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      actual/ideal/ought selves
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> As a reminder, the ideal-actual discrepancy leads to dejection and the
> ought-actual discrepancy leads to anxiety.  Why is there this difference?
> Any theories?

Hi Elizabeth.. Firstly, I think the ought in anyone's mind can come from
several sources, one being social, others may be due to the particular
life experiences of that person. My theory on why ideal-actual discre-
pancy leads to dejection more than anxiety is that an ideal is a goal
one sets for themselves (based on whatever).. not fitting your own
standards and not reaching your goal means you're letting yourself down,
so your spirits are low, you feel dejected.. Ought-actual works on guilt
and expectancy. Ought standards are minimum standards, ones you really
SHOULD be able to reach, ones you should perhaps have without trying, or
maybe shouldn't be so hard to achieve, etc.. at any rate, these are the
least that are expected by yourself and others to fit the bill as a
person. Not reaching those would create more anxiety than not reaching
an ideal standard. Anxiety might come from several sources (I'm a total
f--k up, I'll never make it in life.. I'm a bad girl and am going to
get into trouble.. I am not out-going and funny, who will want to date
me?.. etc).

Perhaps an appropriate example, given the current debate over GREs, would
be:

1) My ideal is that I become a top Psychotherapist with a PhD.
2) I ought to AT LEAST score a 600 in each area of the GRE to get into grad
   school.

1) I get through grad school. I am not yet the top Psychotherapist
   around - I feel down; will I ever get there?
2) I take my first GRE and don't score well in the verbal. My score
   is around 500, I should AT LEAST score OVER 600. Am I STUPID? Do
   I even have the BASICS of what it takes? CAN I get there? -- anxiety.

This is how I see it. Correct me if I've misinterpreted your question.
Hope it helps some.

gerri
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From:         "psp.dasilvaalvo" <psp.dasilvaalvo@SEQ.HULL.AC.UK>
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>           Given this, Pascal is clearly the logical option (I assume that
> BASIC was the *first* langauge studied, and that languages such as LISP or
> ADA - both of which could have greater potential value than Pascal in terms
> of future applications - were not options).
> 	Assembler, anyone? ];-)>

Hi Rick and Chris,
I have been reading your comments about C++ and Pascal and as far as psychology
is concerned Pascal may be a better language to learn than C++. I have programed
in different languages, Pascal, C/C++, LISP, BASIC, Assembler, SmallTalk. If
i want a program for statistics analysis or graphics i do it in C/C++, for
questionnaires i do them in Pascal(Turbo v.6), for linguistics i use LISP, for
Object Oriented Programming i do it in SmallTalk V/286, and for small Dos
applications i use Assembler. It seems to me that each computer language is
almost like human languages. English may be equivalent to Basic as is the one
that almost everyone knows about. Then take your pick.
I have a Pascal program to test imagery modalities. If anyone wants it let me
know.
Bye all.
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From: amead@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Alan Mead)
Subject: Re: GRE debate
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:06:45 GMT

Rick Adams <adamsr@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>	In his excellent Statistics text _Statistics: A computer integrated
>approach_ (ok, so I'm a stat nut), Alan Kvanli used data from a study which

>	Y^=-.395+.0031X1+.00059X2+.4457X3

As a stats nut you doubtlessly know more than I about regression and
its uses, but I thought that when the variables are correlated, you
cannot compare B's as a tool to build theories.

Also, I suppose these are standardized?  (The range of the GRE's are
rather larger than that of GPA's--my students never remember this!?).

-alan
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From:         Lisa <SMITH1@UCC.UWINDSOR.CA>
Subject:      srcd
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Hi! I'm relatively new to the psycgrad scene.  I'm a grad student in
Windsor, Ontario.  I will be defending my M.A. in September.  The
program I am in is called Clinical Neuropsychology.  It's a doctoral
program so I'll be around for a while (to put it mildly).

I just submitted a poster to SRCD.  Has anyone out there had any
experience with doing the same?  Does anyone know what the odds are of
having it accepted?  Would anyone care to describe the SRCD experience?

Lisa, in Windsor (the Canadian city beside Detroit... our only claim
to fame).
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: actual/ideal/ought selves

In Journal of Abnormal Psychology, there was a neat article about some
of these ideas:
 Strauman, T.J. (1992). Self-guides, autobiographical memory, and
    anxiety and dysphoria:  Toward a cognitive model of vulnerability
    to emotional distress. _Journal of Abnormal Psychology,_101,_87-95.
David Fresco
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Linda--
In general, I think it's a lot easier to cheat in undergrad
classes than on the GRE.  I've known a lot of people who
cheated their way through college, but I don't know anyone
who even tried to cheat on the GRE.  Here's an ingenious
story of how you could do it, tho:  (this actually happened
on the SAT).
Apparently there was a guy who could score a perfect 1600 on
the SAT.  He offered an "SAT prep course", where he simply
taught the students how to memorize long sequences of letters.
Then he flew to the east coast, where it's 3 hours later than
out here in California, so the SAT was given 3 hours earlier.
He took the test, memorized the answers, called his students
who had paid him, and gave them the answers, which they
memorized and wrote on the test.  He even instructed the
students to get a few questions wrong so it wouldn't look
obvious to ETS.  Then he took off with the students' money
--good scam, huh?  Unfortunately, some of the students got
greedy and wrote down all of the correct answers.  ETS got
suspicious, did a big investigation, tracked down the guy,
and invalidated all of his students' scores.  Well, it all
goes to show that cheaters never prosper, but wasn't that
a creative idea?
Jennifer at USC
P.S. Don't ask me for cites on this one--it's just a story
I heard!
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Gerri-
This is only anecdotal, but I had a friend who was manic
depressive.  They put him on lithium and the periods of
mania and depression stopped, but he felt dull and deadened
inside.  When he wasn't on lithium, he had all these beautiful
and scary inspirations and wrote really powerful poetry about
them, but on lithium nothing came to him, his poetry seemed
mundane and cliche, and he felt like he was numb and just going
through the motions of life.  So finally, he went off the
lithium for the sake of his poetry.  I don't know
what ever happened to him.  Does anyone know of any
studies on people like that?
Jennifer at USC
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Subject:      spss list

Hi-
someone told me there is an SPSS-L list at NCSUVM, but the LISTSERV there
doesn't recognize it. Does anyone know how to subscribe to the SPSS list?

Avishai Antonovsky
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: manic depression
              13 Aug 1992 09:55:00 PDT from <UNGER@MVSA.USC.EDU>

Jennifer,
Read some stuff by Oliver Sacks "The man who mistook his wife for a hat".
He describes a case of a Tourettes syndrome.  IN order to continue playing and
improvising jazz, the patient would go off haldol during weekends and then
return to his "good-patient behaviour" when at work during weekdays.


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From:         Ellen Galloway <henley@PSY.PSYCH.NOVA.EDU>
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              Aug 18, 92 6:26 pm

>
> >
>
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> > >            /^\ - /^\        Ellen Galloway
> > >           (   lxl   )       Henley@psy.psych.nova.edu
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> My guesses:
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> 1)  A new projective test
> 2)  A flacid phallus
> 3)  An elephant (topical because of the convention)
>
> Eric Zorrilla
>

Actually it's a Labrys.          Ellen
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