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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Communal bug bites the Indian police.
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:24:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.tamu.edu

In article <1jskvkINNkcv@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> shyk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (shyam krishnamurthy) writes:

>>    to the world as communal clashes between Hindus and Muslims. In fact they
>>    were Muslims vs. the police, who seemed to have a Muslims-only trajectory
>>    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    for their bullets."
>>    ------------------ 
>>
>It is really not surprising that so many muslims got killed, because they 
>defied the curfew and shoot at sight orders. It is ridiculous to suggest
>that bullets were muslim only as the mobs that were out on the streets
>were muslims. 

>/Shyam

Hi Everybody,

Just got back from India (Bombay) yesterday.  Lot's of heated discussion 
going on here. So I just wanted to add in my little bit of what's happening 
in India. Perhaps all this is old stuff already. Anyway...

	Regarding the police firing incident, most of the people I met 
are of the opinion that the muslim mob did indeed break the curfew rules 
and it seems they killed 3-4 police men in the process.  The police went 
berserk and started shooting blindly into the muslim dominated slum areas.
In the process, innocent muslims (and very few hindus, if at all) were killed  
since the walls of their houses were no match for the police bullets. The 
actual goons, as expected, are still out there very much alive and looking 
for action. 

At the moment, the estate owners, with the help of both hindu and muslim
goons have cleared off almost more than 50% of the Dharavi Slum area. 
Money changes hands openly in the streets just before some area is torched.
It's basically a mop-up operation by the land-lords and religion has 
nothing to do whatsoever with whatever is going on. 

regards,
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From: kalia@eng.umd.edu (Atul Kalia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Arz kiya hai....
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:52:59 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
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Originator: kalia@taylor.src.umd.edu


kay..


Mehfil mein baar-baar kisi par nazar gayee,
Hamney bachai lakh, magar phir udhar gayaee.


Aur isi se milta-julta sher hai kay..


Dekh lenge woh, to dekha jayega,
Dekhna hamse na choda jayega.


( This is a lover who is afraid that he 
  may be caught casting loving glances 
  at his/her love , and yet he can't resist
  looking at his/her loved one.)



- 'ATISH'

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:45449 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1894
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: ... when western science dwarfs the vedaas ....
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:13:10 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Sagar writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.004321.11829@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu writes:
>>The big bossu on sci.math from MIT (john baez) writes:
>>
>>-+>suitable for intelligent life only at the low entropy end of the
>>-+>universe's history.
>>-+>
>>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
>
>Mr. "Rising Sun," did you want to tell the readers anything by
>simply reposting someone's 130-line article and not including 
>any of your "intelligent" comments? 


	Very few people can write to qualify what John Baez writes. 
	He's THE net.god on sci.physics and sci.math and Raveena saru did well
	to repost it here without adding any comments :):). I'm sure Seetam
	won't take any offence since he knows it.

	FFT












Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@launchpad.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Sthan's pique
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:47:07 GMT

In article <1k478lINN6s4@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@launchpad.unc.edu croaks:
>
>Sthan returns to the flaming business after letting his imagination
>circumnavigate the globe from his launchpad account. Welcome back anyway 
>and hope you dont chicken out, like you did last time.
>
>>>1. Samit Banerjee    2. Ed Crick   3. Sreehari Nimmala  4. Deb Chatterjee
>>>5. Mustafa Ibrahim   6. An elusive MSA net   7. Deepak Bose
>>>8. The Wimpy Finn who runs the anonymous service
>>>9. The lady from KSU who forgot to log out and from whose account certain 
>
>>How many of these people are real ? 
>
>I dont see your legendary virility mentioned above. That to me, would be the
>only fictitious object, other than of course your intelligence, which comes 
>in a close second.
>
>>I happen to know for a fact that at least one of those is a hoax
>>of the proportions of Ram Lakhan if not worse ? So, how about
>>less grandiloquence and hypocrisy or is it too much to expect ?
>
>Chicanery thy name is Sthan. What's with the moralistic posturing,
>Mr.Hyperinflated Ego ? Are you complaining that your supposedly great
>analytical abilities were not able to seperate fact from fiction and 
>that you were taken for a ride or do the flames from last summer
>still ranckle?

Obviously a fool and his non sequiturs are not easily parted.
Chicanery would be your Email vs your postings.

Sthan.

>
>
>>Disgusted,---------------> Demented would have been better suited
>>Sthan.
>>
>
>>[Hypocritical ravings deleted, except]
>
>Tch, tch.....little doggie, never disobey your master's commands. 
>
>
>std. disclaimer  I hope this does not violate Mr.Asthana's code of ethics.
>		 Please check with me before complaining to my sys.admin.
>-- 
>Samit Banerjee,			    |  
>University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
>Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
>Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |  


--
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           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: IA Pilots strike called off
Date: 24 Jan 1993 21:26:01 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
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Subject line sez it all.
-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (partha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Baby's Name
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:24:58 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

take it easy netters, on these guys wanting baby names..
dont think that they are illiterate fools not able to think up any
name.. they are just tooooo shy to declare to the whole world that
they have just became parents..(awwwwww 1 more to over-populated planet :)..

so  congratulate them :)
From: subbu@cup.hp.com (Subbu Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Baby's Name
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:54:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cup.C1H0Aw.7Lw
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Core dump systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Ram Gupta (rgupta@ncb.gov.sg) wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: Could any of you tell me where can find the list containing baby's
: name ( Hindu origin ). 

	
	Log on to all the computers you have account on, and type:

		ls .. | sort.
	
	Perhaps another way is:

		cat /etc/passwd | awk -F : '{print $5}'|awk '{print $1}'|sort

Good Luck.

-Subbu
From: patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Will it work
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:01:25 GMT
Reply-To: patel@key.amdahl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced System Division

In article 4725@fuug.fi, an6415@anon.penet.fi writes:
> Why not ?
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
> Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
> and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.


Are we having fun yet?


Chandresh Patel	

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rsd@ccrl.nj.nec.com (Rajiv Dighe)
Subject: Re: Allegations against FFT and Vijay's posting on Weinberg 8-)
Organization: C&C Research Labs, NEC USA, Princeton, N.J.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:34:16 GMT

In article <1jn2icINN295@sal-sun62.usc.edu> fafat@sal-sun62.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Deb "MOOstuffa killer" Chatterjee :) writes:
>
>>   An excellent article from Vijay in the recent times. However FFT (the Hyde
>>   side of Vijay D.Fafat) maybe should stop peeping thru the "keyhole" where
>>   Ms.Schacko rules. " All lust abandon ye who peep thru' here 8-) " - Dante.
>>
>>   8-)
>>
>
>
>	Whaaat? After I've been made the MD of SAMOSA by the boss,
>	that doggerel mongering facetious poetaster, Dighe Himself? 

Ahem,
Yes, The board of directors of SAMOSA have unanimously appointed
FFT (note: We are talking about FFT and not his physics-touting
mealy-mouthed twin brudder Fafat), as the Managing Director of SAMOSA.
We have full faith that he shall maintain that delicious
razor-edge balance that keeps the SAWNET/SAMOSA community humming
with an incisive series of fine mouth-watering CHUTNIES 
[CHUTNIES= Creating Utterly Trashy News Items Enraging SAWNETTERS ]

(recipes ? Did I hear somebuddy utter the dreaded R-word ?).

In fact SAMOSA under FFT's able guidance has already come up
a series of fine offerings for SAWNET-baiting:


PATNI CHUTNIE which may sound alarmist but has nothing to do
with Battered Wives (that comes under the chapter on Bhajis),
just a series of recipes aimed at enraging housewives by single SAWNETTERS.

GREEN CHUTNIES which is aimed at stirring the green-eyed SAWNET monsters.

IMLI (I'M Loved for my Idlis)  CHUTNIES aimed at getting an heated
discussion started on saaru versus sambar on SAWNET.

IDLI (I'D  Love some Idlis) CHUTNIES aimed at stirring single
SAWNETTERS who cant cook.

COCONUT CHUTNIES aimed at all those SAWNETTERS who are white
inside and brown outside..

DRY CHUTNIES for the prohibition-minded.



>	Never. I
>	continue peeping :) but hey, what lust? The sawnet postings would
>	rather make a good substitute for pills [the sleeping variety ;-)]
>	Due apologies and standard disclaimers, of course, to the Matron
>	and Vice-matron :)

Err, didnt know there were any vice on SAWNET..
What say, MD, do we need a VIce SQuad from SAMOSA ?
VISQ-SAMOSA- sounds like my favourite -Whiskey and Samosa..

>
>	FFT
>
>
>
>
>	
>
>

Jai Hanuman

BOARD OF DIRECTORS
SAMOSA
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:45007 soc.culture.tamil:5410
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Humor (3 clippings)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:57:24 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

Usual caveat
------------
Swiped from Reader's Digests.
Nothing to do with any culture. Just for fun.
Confined neither to the charter of SCI  nor to
that of SCT. If you're not interested, hit 'n'
now.

All in day's work (Feb '93 issue)
-----------------
  Like many modern businesses, the insurance company I worked for used 
phone-answering system. Callers were faced with a series of recordings
instructing them to choose options by pressing various numbers.
  One exasperated customer, having been through the whole series of
messages and a lengthy wait, finally reached a representative and was
asked for his account number.
 "If you want my account number", he echoed, "please press One." 
                                  -- Contributed by Mary Ann Haecker.

Dress Code (Feb '93 issue)
----------
  Shortly after the birth of our second child, my husband offered to
take me shopping for a new dress. He endured more than two hours of
listening to my complaints about which figure flaw each dress
accentuated. As I emerged from the dressing room, having tried on the
last selection, I asked for my husband's opinion. By this time, he
had learned just the right things to say."It's perfect!", he
exclaimed. "It makes your waist look smaller, your legs look longer
and slenderizes your hips."
  Just then, a voice from the dressing room piped up. "If there is a 
dress here that will do all that - I'll take ten!"
                                    -- Contributed by Julie Anderson.

Laughter,the best medicine. (Apr '87 issue)
--------------------------
  Adam and Eve were in different parts of the Garden of Eden when the
Lord commanded Adam to go and squeeze Eve's hand.
 "What's a squeeze, Lord?", Adam asked.
  The Lord explained, and Adam went and squeezed Eve's hand. Then the 
Lord told Adam to kiss Eve. Again, Adam was confused and asked for an 
explanation, which was given. And Adam went off and kissed Eve.
  Then came the command for Adam to go forth and multiply.
  Before long, Adam was back. "Lord", he asked, "What's a headache?"
                                                             -- L.B. 

Have fun,
Venkat
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venkat@menudo.uh.edu                | If it comes back, it is yours.
venkat@uhupvm1.uh.edu               | If it does not, it never was.
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aruna@simpsons.cc.uh.edu (-do-)     |
(713)225-6426(h) & (713)743-4250(w) |
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:45368 soc.culture.pakistan:19853 soc.culture.bangladesh:7693
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Persecution of Muslims and Hindus in Pakistan
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:27:31 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

 >The following is a portrayal of how Pakistan systematically demolishes the
 >minority livestock and culture - an allegation that Pakistan has been fending 
 
 >so adroitly for a long time. As I am reading the book " Against our Will " -
 >by Susan Brownmiller, the rapes on both Muslim and Hindu women in Bangladesh,
 >the barbaric torture unleashed upon the opposite (f)sex by the Paki soilders
 >in the name of "lust/ bravery" shows what Islamic practices are adhered to by
 >these disciplined gentlemen. I just imagine what our Janab Sareer A.Fazili 
 >will say when he recognizes his lies about Kashmir - where the GOP has been
 >systematically demolishing both Hindu (kafirs) and Muslim livelihood. The stor
y
 >of Roshengarh is simply a surrealistic, idyllic dream.

Rausaghar is in India.

You get the sense this guy would rather see India go up in the
flames of communal violence than live in peace?


> - deb [a deeply disturbed] chatterjee
>        (a good samaritan)

GOOD SAMARITAN - genuinely charitable person, member of an organization
offering help and friendship to those in dispair.

You also get the sense this guy hasnt grasped English quite yet?


Hassan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:45439 soc.culture.pakistan:19873
From: ihs3252@summa.tamu.edu (SYED, IRSHAD HUSSAIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Repost: Why men should learn how to cook!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:03 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: summa.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

just testing


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From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Shivanand Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Shoot Thackeray
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:52:51 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan25.150450.8766@fzi.de> fzi.de writes:
>
>So who wants to organise the coming attempt to assassinate Bal Thackeray?

	You kidding? And have your family wiped out??
	Do you know what happened to the office of Mr. Wagle an editor
	of the Marathi eveninger "Sandhyakal"(?)? He dared to speak 
	against Balasaheb. Some of his reporters were manhandled (some 
	of them women).

	Shivanand Bhajekar


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kumar@carleman.mit.edu (Kumar)
Subject: Re: bombay riots .... Certain Realistic Problems In Handling Shiv Sena.
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:49:00 GMT

 pradeep@bkd.b11.ingr.com writes:
>	This time the difference is in the attitude of common man on the 
>street. The feeling is that in conjunction with the Cong-I leaders, some 
>Muslim leaders have been exploiting the "Muslim vote package". For instance, 
>thousands of Bangladeshi immigrants land in Bombay and within days get ration 
>cards and then on to the voters list. Then Muslims are allowed read Namaaz 
>on the streets and the list goes on and on.

Nothing and absolutely nothing can justify riots that is destruction
of property and lives in what is supposed to be a democratic country.
In a decent society people can wait till elections to vote their favorite
party in be it shiv sena or BJP or whatever and then do the changes thru
legal silent means. As an aside the political parties in India need
to learn to contest elections and accept its verdict rather than start
immediate Bandhs, Hartals, Kar seva and ethnic cleansing.

If the common man has come to believe that rioting is the solution then
God help us.
-- 
Thanks

Sanjay

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Article 370 on Kashmir
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:35:24 GMT

I have readmany a discourses by people saying that article 370
equally discriminates against Hindus and  Muslims in acquiring
property in Kashmir. For technical reasons one might conclude so.
But in its intent it is discriminatory on the Hindus. Let us see why?

Supposing muslims domiciled outside Kashmir want to buy property in Kashmir
and move there. Supposing we allow that to happen. The effect of that 
migration is a change in the demographics of the place from which muslims
are migrating from. Because they are in a minority in those places, there
is a net decrease in the muslim population in that place, further aggravating
their minority status.  The majority status of muslims, though increased as
a result of this migration, does not add any further political clout on the
majority population of Kashmir. Thus muslim migration into Kashmir is
not politically consequential.

On the other hand, migration of Hindus into Kashmir alters the demography
of Kashmir and the politics of the state. That is the reason why article
370 is discriminatory. It tries to protect the minority status of Kashmir.

Article 370 was frame dprecisely for that purpose. To argue that article 370 
equally discriminates between muslims and Hindus is simply ridiculous. So 
fellows, try to think that sci readership is an intelligent readership.


...kt


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: JOhn Major's Visit and riots	
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:11:56 GMT

Militants attack nuns/church in Pubjab...			
Muslims in old Delhi attack Hindu shops...
It seems a bit too much of coincidence to me.
Is there something GOI trying to prove? Get from UK Govt some
thing.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rao@parikalpik.eas.asu.edu (Subbarao Kambhampati)
Subject: Armchair radicalism [was Re: (misleading) Indian Express Advertisement re: RJB]
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Arizona State University, Tempe
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:14:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.112533@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>
>
>As far as the Ad. is concerned, it is very clear in its message and cannot be
>called misleading. 
>
>Its interesting to note however that support for radical groups in
>India comes very strongly from supporters based in the west irrespective of
>the ideology... whether they are Kashmiri, Sikh, Muslim, Hindu etc.
>
>Sitting pretty in their cushy nests here, they are always the most vocal in
>their slogans and generous with their money.
>
>--Javed.

HEAR!! HEAR!! 

Javed has hit the proverbial nail right on its ugly head. I can't
agree with him more!! 

The "RJB riots are inevitable to foist nation-state-hindu-indian-blah-blah" 
sophistry and semantic conundrums of a Raj Bhatnagar, 

the "I say kill everymuslim/communist/VPsingh/ whoever" knee-jerk
zealotry of an Ajay Singh;

the "Let's to teach these muslims and other minorities a lesson that
they better kowtow to the majority -- and Goalmalkar is the greatest
hero since Jesus" fanaticism of an Ajay Shah and co.

the "Punjab just gotta have its separate nationhood whatever the price
to the poor blokes on the street" violent rhetoric of a Gary; 

the "Let 100 temples be quashed for every mosque" religious
fundamentalism of a <insert-the-name-of-several-scp'ers-who-endorsed-this> 


is bad enough by itself. But it all seems FLAGRANTLY HYPOCRITICAL when
coming from blighters who for all practical purposes are far removed
from the battle grounds, safely ensconced in the riches and enjoying
the secular atmosphere of the west, and show NO INCLINATION/INTENTION
whatsoever of actually going to the battle-grounds and follow their
own violent rhetoric.

No one can force any of us to actually go and help our nation in its
hour of need. If we have no inclination to help, the least we could do
is to avoid endorsing the hatred and violence. To those who feel they
_must_ endorse violence and hatred, I would like to see you showing
the guts and courage of conviction to go to the battlefields of
communal violence your rhetoric is endorsing, and tasting the real
fruits of your endorsements.  Without that you are no better than the
goonda politicians who, sitting in their safe bunglows, incite violent
riots to further their agendas. You are just more "educated"!

Rao
[Jan 23, 1993]
-----------------------

"It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the
eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have
other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his
hands of it, and if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it
practically his support. "

                      -Henry David Thoreau
                       Civil Disobedience