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From: reddym@Barra.COM (Reddy Mallidi)
Subject: Pakistan - Bhutto to continue march by train to Islamabad
Organization: BARRA, CA.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:33:23 GMT


    Sources: DPA, Xinhua
    Dates  : Nov. 17, 20, 1992 
    Country: Pakistan

                                 * * * * *

    * Bhutto to continue march by train to Islamabad

        People's Democratic Alliane (PDA) leader ex-Air Marshal Asghar 
    Khan told reporters in Islamabad that his colleues and their allies
    in the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) would join Bhutto in 
    Karachi after making another attempt at the march on Saturday. 
    Pakistani opposition leaders, headed by Ms Bhutto will take a train
    from Karachi on Monday to resume the aborted march on Islamabad.
    Meanwhile, the journalists union of Islamabad and its twin city of
    Rawalpindi, from where the aborted march was to start, Friday
    condemened the attacks on journalists by the police in the past two
    days. It charged the attacks were deliberate attempts at suppressing
    the free press Information minister Abdul Sattar Lalika denied the 
    charge and alleged that PDA workers had launched a violent attack on
    a team of the state-owned television covering their agitation in the
    city on Wednesday.
        A pro-government religious group, Jamiat Mashaikh, has said Bhutto
    should be tried for high treason for demanding the removal of the 
    government, while another religious group, Tehrik-e-Awam Ahle Sunnat 
    demanded that the government punish policemen who allegedly maltreated
    female agitators and journlists. 
        about 25 opposition activists were arrested in Rawalpindi and 
    Lahore on Friday for continuing the anti-government protest for the 
    third day.

    * Ishaq Khan calls for a permanent solution to Kashmir
     
        Pakistan President Ishaq Khan has called on the world community to take
    meaningful initiative for a permanent soultion of the Kashmir issue.
    The Kashmir issue should be settled on the basis of justice and equity
    and in accordance with the U.N resolutions, he said. He said that the
    custodians of international peace must impress upon India the urgent need
    to start a process to resolve the issue. The starting point of such a 
    process, he said, has to be the open acknowledgement by India of the 
    existance of a serious problem in Kashmir. The U.S could and should play
    an important role in making India take a more realistic position, he said,
    during a meeting with the visiting commander-in-cheif of U.S central
    Command General Joseph P. Hoar at the presidential palace.
        The U.S General arrived Islamabad on Monday on a five-day visit to
    Pakistan. The U.S-Pak relations have suffered a setback since October 1990
    when the U.S cut off its military and economic aid to Pakistan on suspicion
    that Pakistan is making nuclear weapons. 

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Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
From: reddym@Barra.COM (Reddy Mallidi)
Subject: India - Students continue agitation against reservations
Organization: BARRA, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:03:45 GMT

    Sources: New York Times, XINHUA
    Dates  : Nov. 18-19, 1992 
    Country: India 

                                * * * * * *

    * Students continue agitation against reservations

        Students opposed to reservations continued their protests for the
    third day in Delhi, Haryana and in some northern states, defying the
    government's appeal to calm down. 
        In the capital, at least seven vehicles including buses were 
    damaged by the irate students today. Resident doctors of Delhi's three
    hospitals and students from all medical colleges went on a lightning
    strike to present against what they called unprovoked use of brute force
    against students. In Uttar Pradesh over 200 students and their leaders
    were arrested. In Ghaziabad, an interstate bus plying between Delhi and
    Ghaziabad was damaged by protesters today. In Chandigarh, students 
    boycotted classes and blocked traffic, causing traffic diversion on many
    roads. 
        Meanwhile, home minster S.B Chavan appealed to the agitating youth
    not to unnecessarily create a problem but go through the court judgement
    to understand its implications. Prime Minister Rao, on Wednesday 
    summoned an informal meeting, which lasted for 90 minutes and remained
    inconclusive.  (Xin Nov 19)

    * Citibank denies involvement in the securities scam

        Ctitibank of Bombay, a Citicorp unit, denied charges by the Bank of
    India that it played a major role in the $1.2bn securities scandal. Bank
    of India, in report issued in August alleged Citibank of Bombay had
    done irregularities in securities transactions. (NYT)

    * New airlines make a dent in the airline monopoly

        Indian air lines which until recently had a monopoly in India, is 
     facing a tough competition from four new small airlines. When Indian
     airlines' pilots began a work to rule agitation this week, causing 
     delays, many travellers chose a competing airline. (NYT)

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Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
From: GOWDA@gslan.OFFSYS.uoknor.edu (Rajeev Gowda)
Subject: India - Veerappa Moily chosen new Chief Minister of Karnataka 
Organization: OFFSYS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:49:02 GMT


From     : Rajeev Gowda
Source   : Telephone conversation with a Karnataka Congress(I) MLA
Country  : India

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* VEERAPPA MOILY NEW CHIEF MINISTER OF KARNATAKA

Veerappa Moily, a leading dissident in the erstwhile Bangarappa cabinet, was
chosen Chief Minister at a meeting of the Congress(I) legislature party in
Bangalore. The decision was taken by the Congress(I) "High Command" after 
the party MLAs unanimously agreed to leave the leadership choice to the 
party president and prime minister P.V. Narasimha Rao.

Moily, along with a few other ministers, had recently resigned from the 
Bangarappa cabinet in protest against the latter's misuse of power and 
corruption, precipitating the dismissal of Bangarappa.  Leading dissidents 
have been included in the new cabinet announced in Bangalore today; these 
include K.H. Ranganath, Manarama Madhwaraj, Rajasekhara Murthy, Hutchamasthy 
Gowda, Chowda Reddy, and M.Y. Ghorpade.  Leading loyalist ministers from the 
Bangarappa ministry retained include Mallikarjuna Kharge and Dharam Singh.

Moily has been an MLA continuously since 1972 from Karkala in Dakshina 
Kannada district, and has served in all Congress ministries since then.  He 
was a minister of state under Devaraj Urs and later a cabinet minister under 
Gundu Rao, Veerendra Patil, and Bangarappa.  His brush with national infamy 
occurred in 1983 when in an attempt to topple the shaky Ramakrishna 
Hegde-led Janata/BJP coalition he allegedly tried to buy the support of an 
independent MLA, C. Byre Gowda.  Byre Gowda, now leader of Deve Gowda's 
Samajwadi Janata Party in the state assembly, taped his conversation with 
Moily and produced a briefcase of cash as evidence.  The "Moily tape 
scandal" case was later dismissed because the tape was unclear and the 
evidence hence ruled inconclusive.  Moily is, however, regarded as a capable 
administrator.  He belongs to a backword community and is an advocate by 
training.

In other political developments, the state assembly speaker, S.M. Krishna, 
is reported to have submitted his resignation to the high command, in 
protest against the "undemocratic" selection of Moily.  Krishna reportedly 
claimed that he secured 90 votes against 26 for Moily among the 200-odd 
Congress(I) legislature party (MLAs and MLCs) in an internal straw poll.

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Newsgroups: misc.int-property
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Publishing contract
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:41:50 GMT

Does anyone here have a standard publishing contract form?
A company offered me a contract and I'm wondering whether it's
fair or not...

In particular: if the company owns a studio and acc. contract must
provide recording facilities AND pay for recording of demos, is the
value of the studio time provided a recoupable advance? Or is only
the cash and materials provided recoupable?

Thanks!
Paul


--
Second Hand vinyl for sale: Depeche Mode, Indie, Severed Heads,
Beloved, New Order, Pet Shop Boys, Stone Roses, Inspiral Carpets,
Cabaret Voltaire. Excell. Cond. Also X1 as NEW $88US, $110AUS.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: kiel_jeff@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Whining about buying e.t.c (The truth)
Organization: Motorola, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:24:59 GMT

It was a joke!

I only wanted to make people laugh as well as poke fun at those who are totally
one sided on this issue.  Some of the responses really made me laugh but it has
seemed to turn a little ugly.  Japanese cars were a cheap and reliable
alternative to American cars in the early eighties but things have changed
since then.  It's hard to determine what is an "American" car anymore and the
Japanese cars are not so cheap anymore (more expensive in many cases) or that
much more reliable (sometimes less reliable).  The American manufacturers have
found out that it takes a long time to change people's minds as some people are
still comparing '69 Buicks with '92 Toyotas.  I happened to get a lemon with a
Japanese nameplate but it could have just as well have been a car with an
American nameplate.  I guess my main points were:  1) Nameplates do not mean
much anymore and 2) There are a lot of irrational people out there.

-Jeff
 
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jmalloy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joseph Malloy)
Subject: Re: Products you only buy once
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 18:11:20 GMT

In article <92325.170640FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu> FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I am trying to identify products that a person only purchases once.
>For example, a person buys one record album (CD)---once the item is purchased
>that person drops out of the market for that product.  Other examples are
>whole life insurance, cemetary plots, a college education (undergrad), a
>book.  Please e-mail or post any other ideas you can think of... Thanks.
>
>        Frank Mulhern   Department of Marketing
>                        Penn State 814-865-0232    FJM1 @ PSUVM

This struck me as a wonderful questions, especially as I was able to answer
your examples to the contrary.  I've bought more than one copy of a recording,
though this happens less now with CDs, I have multiple life insurance
policies, though they are renewable term policies, I've purchased a cemetary
plot for my mother, then for my father (haven't done so yet for myself), and
while I paid for only one undergrad education, I did go on to collect a 
complete set of degrees.

So just what do we purchase only once?  Anything can be lost, damaged and
thus need replacing; if you own two residences, you may have multiple copies 
of books, recording, prints, etc.  Good question.

Please summarize and post to the net when you get done!  Thanks!

jmalloy@hamilton.edu
 
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: marc@acuson.com (Marc Weinshenker)
Subject: eyeglasses: want info about anti-reflective coatings
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:23:20 GMT

I would like to hear about experiences with anti-reflective
coatings for regular clear eyeglass lenses. I have some idea
about the advantages as well as the expense, but I would also
like to know about what the downsides might be.

Thanks.

-- 
Marc Weinshenker                         marc@acuson.com
Acuson Corporation                       415-694-5186 
Mountain View, California
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
Date: 14 Nov 92 07:52:54 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

Ripped-Off@cup.portal.com (Eric J Rainbolt) wrote: 
->....  The trouble all started because I didn't
->read all the 'fine print'.  

let's see: you don't read the contract you sign, and then you bitch
that bally tries to collect?

->I hung up on him, and called Bally Headquarters.  After a long wait, I
->was talking to Mike again. This time he checked with his superiors, and
->told me that guy was just trying to scare money out of me, and that Bally
->would take care of everything once "they" received my fifty bucks.

did you get this in writing?  did you confirm this phone conversation
in writing (preferably when you sent the $50)?

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# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: DAK "customer service"
Originator: wex@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:58:21 GMT


Has anyone ever gotten through?
Any help?
-- 

	...Wex
From: lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Michele Easter's SuperSaving Video Offer? (Save money?!)
Summary: Ripoff?
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:34:56 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: ICUS Software Systems, Austin, Texas

I caught a glimpse of a Infomercial this morning and was "slightly"
intrigued, since it seemed simple.  Basically it was a way of shopping
for food/goods in grocery stores and save on an average of 30-80% each
time on the bill.

They did the test, they bought over $275.51 groceries for $10.70.  Now
that's atypical, I'm sure ... but they did it.  They also have been
featured on CNN and CBS-TV.  Her record has been $469 groceries for
$13.00.

Well on the Consumer Infoline (Infomercial) -- John Richardson host 
(Richardson Alyn, Inc production) 
Michele Easter "America's #1 Shopping Expert" Super Saving System
Video, workbook, coupon organizer, and newsletter.

Secrets, PO Box 1319, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266
1-800-438-9494 
$29.95 + 4.95 s&h
90 day money-back guarantee

Now the question?  Is this a ripoff?  How long every week to prepare
to go to the store do you need to spend?  How selective do you need to be
in your buying habits?  Generally coupons give me a 5-8% savings... 
nothing spectacular.  She says she can get coupons for milk, poultry,
meat, etc.

Ripoff?  or not?  Miracle or just a regimented buying habit?

Thoughts?  e-mail preferred, I'll summarize.
-- 
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|               ...!{cs.utexas.edu,ames,pacbell}!icus!lenny                 |
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: uk07802@nx08.mik.uky.edu (Sofjan Mustopoh)
Subject: Good watch mail order 
Keywords: Catalog, Watch
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:58:59 GMT
Distribution: usa

Hi 
   With X'mas coming up soon i want to buy a nice watch
 in the range of $350-$600 , but the problem is that in 
 the place i life the selection carry by the stores are
 miserable.  
   
   Could anyone recomend a watch mail order with catalogs.
 I found several watch broker in AT&T Gift directory 
  but they can't send me a catalog. 
   
 So please help me.

 Thanks
 Sofjan Mustopoh
 uk07802@mik.uky.edu
From: glenn@sloth.ncsl.nist.gov
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Stereo Receiver Recommendations needed
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:27:21 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@sloth.ncsl.nist.gov
Organization: N.I.S.T
Posting-Front-End: Shinbun -- the OpenLook newsreader



Hi

I'm in the market for a new stereo receiver (our 28 year old tube amp isn't
up to the task at hand).  The set of requirements I'm looking for is:

	*  dolby surround sound, 
	*  drive 12 normal speakers and 2-4 surround sound speakers, 
	*  normal array of component selection (maybe a digital port too),
	*  have remote access from 4 different rooms in the house (not all
	   on the same floor).

Price is something I'm interested in also but the second and fourth requirements
are the most important.  I've seen the Pioneer Multi-Room Remote Series, but
none of three sales persons knew what that was.  I was told that Onkyo sells
something along these lines.  Any recommendations?

Rob G.
glenn@sloth.ncsl.nist.gov
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From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Electronics Wholesalers a Rip-Off
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:17:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5773
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle University

In article <1992Nov13.212117.26916@cbnewse.cb.att.com> dmlkm@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.e.montalbano) writes:
>11 days ago I ordered a Dolby Surround Stereo Receiver
>from Electronic Wholesalers (1166 Hamburg TPKE.  Wayne 
>New Jersey 800-444-6300/201-696-6531).  6 days later
>I received it via UPS.  After a 2 days of use,
>my wife and I agreed that the surround sound was awful.
>We have heard many other AV receivers' surround and was
>impressed.  Not with this one.
[stuff deleted]
>
>P.S.  Stay away from Electronic Wholesalers unless you know exactly
>      what you want.  Whenever you call for a price they are very
>      polite and anxious to get a sale.



I don't want to burst your bubble here, but 99.9% of all mail-order houses
won't allow you to return a merchandise unless it's defective or if it's
the wrong item.  One reason they have better prices over your local dealers
is because they don't have the overhead of a showroom, which in your case,
you may have been able to listen to the system before buying it.  What you 
could do next time is go to your local showroom, find out which system you 
want and then go through mail-order catalogs and see if you can get the 
same system at a cheaper price.

George

PS.  Welcome to the mail order world.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis)
Subject: Woman's Digital Watch
Keywords: Metal, multi-function
Reply-To: simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:28:57 GMT

I'd like to buy a new watch for my wife.  She actually uses several
of the standard digital watch features - alarm(s), timer, etc., but
she does not want a "sports watch".  Black plastic is not her favorite.
Men's watches are just too big.

Some years ago (10?) I bought her a "dress" digital from Casio -
gold-tone metal band and case.  I lasted about 8 years, not too
bad at all. Last year I searched most of the mall-stores, and
struck out completely.  I've also tried the local discount places 
(Best and something else) with no luck.

Has anyone else seen a woman's "dress" digital watch?

John


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: <juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Government Auctions
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:41:59 -0500

In article <1eqqi7INN68@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>Government auctions are free and open to any US citizen (you paid for
					      ^^^^^^^^^^

Is it open to non-US citizen?  I mean aliens, not permanent resident.
From: zawr02@hou.amoco.com (Andrew W. Robinson)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:55:56 GMT
Reply-To: zawr02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

In article 13054@col.hp.com, lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:

>Always read everything you sign. If the salesperson's explanation differs
>from the text, believe the text.

But for a small and insignificant amount of revenge, read the full contract on
the salesman time.

---

Andrew Robinson
--------------------------------------------------------------
Amoco Production Company
Robinson_Andrew_W/ets_ess@hou.amoco.com	
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Opinions expressed are solely my own.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
From: pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Aluminum cookware: Recipe for disaster?
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:14:35 GMT

In <yenamand.722402987@mega> yenamand@mega.cs.umn.edu (Murthy yenamandra) writes:

>hnewstrom@hnewstrom.ess.harris.com (Harvey Newstrom) writes:

>>The facts about aluminum and Alzheimer's are not disuputed, but the
>>conclusions are.
>>1.  Alzheimer's victims have more aluminum in their brain tissues than
>>other persons.
>>2.  Aluminum poisoning in animals causes Alzheimer's-like symptoms.
>>Does aluminum cause Alzheimer's?  Dunno.
>>Can avoiding aluminum prevent Alzheimer's?  Dunno.

>I heard a report on the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp.) about recent
>research that disputes point 1. There was an interview with the
>researcher (from the UK, I think). He said that the aluminium detected in
>Alzheimer patients may have come from the tests themselves (because
>of test methods - including aluminium contamination in instruments,
>chemicals or whatever). He said that this is a setback for Alzheimer's
>research. These were apparently recent results. Anyone have
>more info?

This research was conducted at Oxford by a friend of mine.  The
story goes something like this.  When you cut up the brains of
someone who dies with Alzheimer's, you find discoloured bits called
plaques.  Previous analysis of plaques had suggested they may
contain aluminium but the only way this had been tested was using
dye.  The presence of aluminium in plaques was why aluminium had
been linked to Alzheimer's.  The team at Oxford used a nuclear
probe (I forget its exact name - it fired nuclear particles through
sections of tissue and analyse what comes out the other side.  It
used no dyes) and found no aluminium in the plaques.  They suggested
the aluminium may have come from contamination in the dye process.
-- 
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Internet: pod@softway.sw.oz.au           |you don't understand art."
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