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From: synek@Cadence.COM (Kamil Synek)
Subject: Simulated Freefall Environment
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:35:19 GMT

Hi,

I am new to skydiving (just did my level 1 jump and going onto level 2)
and I was wondering if anyone knows about a place where they provide a
simulated freefall environment.  Sort of like a wind tunnel, except the
airflow is vertical instead of horizontal.  I saw a place like that on TV
once, many years ago.  It was a large room with padded walls and ceiling
and they had something like an aircraft engine to generate the airflow.
You could put on a jumpsuit and fly around in there to your hearts
content.  I thought that this would be a good learning aid, to become more
comfortable in freefall, and to practice different manuevers in a
controlled environment.  Now, I know some of you will tell me not to worry
about it and just keep on jumping and I will get all the practice and
experience I need.  And I agree with that but I also wanted to practice in
a more controlled environment, so I am really interested in finding out if
such a place exists.  I live in California, Bay Area, so I would prefer
something close by, but if you know about any places outside of California
let me know about those too.  Thanks,

Kamil Synek

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From: Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni)
Subject: newbie!
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:15:04 GMT

can anyone give me general info about this sport?
(cost of first time jump, average height, etc...)

Anyone know places in thecentral NY area?
(stracuse, utica, albany, etc...)

EMAIL: ssoni@csnext.colgate.edu

THANKS


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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:33:47 GMT
Organization: University of Denver

In article <1992Jul28.144149.10949@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) writes:
>airplane.  What was amazing was the angle of attack that the airplane had when  
>climbing.  I don't mean during this roller coaster move, just in a normal  
>climb, the thing must have been at about 30 degrees!  It really felt like you  
>were climbing like a banshee.

when Mike was coming up on jump run, and leveled out, put the flaps down, 
and slowed the engines, i always felt like we were falling, because the 
angle of climbwas so steep :-) when we would actually gain 5-800' in 
that time. always made eme queasy :-)

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tim
gotta pack :-P
From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Source for three-axis suspension gadget?
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:50:19 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <6730158@hplsla.hp.com> artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori) writes:

>In article: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) / 12:18 pm  Jul 22, 1992
/
>> Does anyone know a source for the three axis suspension gadget that Mike
>> Michigan used in _Travelling II_?  I'm talking about the thing with three
>
>There is someone in the Seattle area who has one and it's called a "Gyrotron".

     A few years ago someone had one set up at the Pacific National
Exhibition (next to the roller coaster, natch) under that name.  If
you try it, be sure to empty your pockets first.  I managed to get
it going pretty good and I had coins flying everywhere!

     I wouldn't mind trying it again some time if I could find one.

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
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From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Gifs & Info about Hang Gliding
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:27:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.171613.1@research.ptt.nl> buys@research.ptt.nl writes:
}DOes anyone know where I can find Gif's and info about
}hang gliding?


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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Lost Prairie
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:39:05 GMT

got my tix today :-)
anyone else going?

anyone know about USPA/license requirements?
will there be free beer every night?
other special events?
etc.

when i called the other day, he told me registration was $15,
jumps $17 from 12,500; no discounts on books.

confirmed aircraft: DC-3, Twin Otter, Pilatus Porter, he was 
in the process of trying to get a Queen Air.

but i forgot to ask about other stuff.

he's expecting 600 people.


one last thing, anyone know if Delta has a policy concerning 
rigs abord their craft as carry-on?

thanks
tim
From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Twin Otters and Float Planes
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:29:06 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Listening to you people talk, it sounds like an otter is a good plane
to jump. I was wondering has anyone ever jumped from a twin otter??
How about from a twin otter with floats?? It would seem that you could build 
a really big formation on the floats then exit...
On that note, has anyone out there jumped from a float plane??

Brandon
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From: cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper)
Subject: Re: How to exit King Air? (was Re: Spot out of Mike Mullins...)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:10:53 GMT

gtnetdc@prism.gatech.edu (David Carter) writes:

>OK, then how do you exit from a King Air?  Anything remotely like a Queen Air?

>(and of course, if I ever get a chance to jump from a King Air, I will ask
>the appropriate people for detailed instructions before I try it)

	If it is a -90 series King Air it should be REAL similar to
	a Queen Air, the only real difference between the two is
	one has pistons and the other has turbines.


	Kit


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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Lost Prairie
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:11:22 GMT

tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
: one last thing, anyone know if Delta has a policy concerning 
: rigs abord their craft as carry-on?

Best bet is to call Delta.  Even then, you may run into an ornary
pilot and the captain of the ship has the last word.

I went jumping in the keys last year and was told that the policy
of the carrier (I forgot which one, continental?) was to allow
parachutes as carryons as long as it fit in the overhead.  Sounds
reasonable to me.

The pilot saw me walk on board with it and asked me put it in the
cargo hold.  I argued with him and we even climbed off the plane
and went back to the airport to argue with his boss... the argument
went something like this:

me:	I was told that the policy of this carrier was to allow
	parachutes as carryon luggage as long as it fit into the
	overheads.
boss:	(talking to captain) do you want this parachute on board
	your aircraft?
capt'n:	no.
boss:	(talking to me) you'll have to put it in the hold.

We compromised by allowing me to store and retrieve it in the cargo
hold so that the handlers couldn't touch it.

I've travelled with parachutes on more than a few occaisions and
this was the only time that I had to place it in the cargo.

Do yourself a favor and buy an equipment bag for it.
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From: wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: Fruits in Freefall (was: weirdest items lost in freefall)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 20:22:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.151451.25724@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
>jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) writes:
>: In article <1992Jul30.140957.14561@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
>: >The contest proved whether the egg will fall faster, slower
>: >or the same speed as a human.  What do you think happened?
>: 
>: Last time I opened my fridge and an egg fell out, it fell pretty damn fast!
>: Faster than I could react anyway (had to clean up the mess, too!:-/ )
>: 
>: So! I vote for faster.
>: 
>
>Any other votes?  Are you all waiting for the weekend to try it out?
>-- 

I have talked to people who had a contest where one jumper left the plane
with an egg.  In free fall they had to transfer it to their partner
who then had to do an accuracy landing without breaking the egg.

They said that one of the biggest problems was that if they placed the egg
in their partners hand and let go it would float out of reach.  What they
had to do was have their partner put their hand above the egg before they
let go.

Wain Greenhalgh


H. Wain Greenhalgh
wain@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
BELLCORE
Piscataway, NJ
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From: rwheeler@elf7.pa.dec.com (Rob Wheeler)
Subject: Re: 54way.jpg (0 of 3)
Reply-To: rwheeler@pa.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:45:51 GMT

Did I mention that there are at least 5 or 6 net type folks in this image.
Cool...
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From: wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:17:46 GMT
Keywords: protec helmet

In article <76705@ut-emx.uucp> angus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris McRoberts) writes:
>This past weekend, I was doing AFF level 3  when at about 10000ft I lost my
>helmet. It had a velcro attachment instead of a snap on one.
>
>I was wondering if  anyone else has lost any unusual items while they were
>falling at 120mph towards the earth. My roommate threw his ripcord at the 
>jumpmaster in his level 3.
>
>
>blue skys
>
>angus


I have not lost anything unusual.  But a friend of mine lost his leg
in free fall. (artificial leg that is)  also I was on a jump where
one of the jumpers lost his shoe while climing out.

Wain Greenhalgh

H. Wain Greenhalgh
wain@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
BELLCORE
Piscataway, NJ
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Keywords: protec helmet
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:27:32 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <76705@ut-emx.uucp> angus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris McRoberts) writes:
>I was wondering if  anyone else has lost any unusual items while they were
>falling at 120mph towards the earth. 

I saw a video once, where Linda (what's her last name? used to run Skydive 
St. Louis) lost first her sandal, and then her sock. The sock looked best..
it looked sorta like a snake writhing around on her foot, and finally escaping:)

Late

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Source for three-axis suspension gadget?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:55:29 GMT

folks, these things are a BLAST!
if you see one, try it out.
it'll work your body good,too.

tim


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From: glenda@escoria.lanl.gov (Glenda McGrath)
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:49:22 GMT

drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Douglas R Puchalski) writes:
 : I heard a story about a little old lady who had a pumpkin crash
 : through her roof at 120 mph and plant itself in the middle of
 : her living room...

mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith) writes:
 :  That's gotta be urban folklore.  I've heard this same story in
 : many different places.  Does anyone have authoritative documentation
 : that this really happened?


This actually happened a number of years (about 5 I think) ago around
Halloween.  It made nationally circulated newspapers (such as
Enquirer) as well as (once again I think) Skydiving Magazine.  I have
a scrap book of weird skydiving articles that appear in newspapers
and/or magazines.  I will look this weekend to see if I saved that one
and post it next week if so.
From: sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:30:22 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <1992Jul28.164838.15641@virtech.uucp> mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)  
writes:
>sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) writes:
>: There are other differences, too.  Not the least of which is the fact
>: that the twin bo has two piston powered engines whereas the King Air
>: has turbine powered engines.
>
>I'm showing my ignorance here.  I know they're different, but what's
>the difference between turbine-power and super-charger.  I was told
>that the twin-bo had a super-charger.

Well, I can't tell you the technical differences, but a Turbo proped airplane  
has engines that are powered the same way that a jet is powered, except that  
there is a propeller on the front providing most of the thrust instead of the  
thrust coming out of the exaust.  Another property is that the airplane can  
come straight down without having to worry about shock cooling.  Piston powered  
airplanes have this problem.  When you talk about a turbo-charged or  
super-charged engine, I believe that is a modification to the carburator (sp?)  
that speeds up the mixing of fuel and oxygen.  I don't know for sure.  However  
I do know that it's the same sort of modification that you find on many car  
engines to improve power.

Everything I just said I have heard from other, more knowledgable sources.   
It's precision should be taken with a grain of salt.

>12 minutes to altitude in comfort

Wow, was it really that fast?  Hmm..it didn't seem like it.  And "comfort" is a  
relative term.  If you don't like loud things, I would not describe the Twin Bo  
as a comfortable airplane.
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From: sparkie@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Suggestions re: AADs
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:52:34 GMT

>>I once saw a friend (foolishly)  
>>playing around under his good main.  His AAD fired his square reserve into his
>>main.  After cutting away, his main risers caught the right nose of his
>>reserve and lodged there.  He spiraled to the ground and managed to find about
>>the only concrete on the DZ.  
>
>I'll bet it was an FXC...

That's correct - it was!

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From: chrise@wa4mei (Chris England)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Long day at the DZ
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:02:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amateur Radio Gateway WA4MEI, Chamblee, GA

In <411.2A72A01A@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE) writes:

>Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
>Fido-To: dappel@grafted.uucp

> d> mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith) writes:

>> Is a twin bonanza really that rare?  I don't know anything about the
>> rarity of plane types, I just remember that  I jumped one down in
>> Florida about 8 months ago.

>Well, I'm pretty up on aviation in general and I don't recall ever hearing of one.  But being a plane junkie, I'm going to check it out!

> d>      I've jumped several twin Beech Bonanzas. Parachutes and
> d> Associates at Frankfort Indiana has a D-50-C.  The Raeford
> d> NC drop zone has one.  And I think I've jumped a couple twin
> d> Beeches at the Richmond Indiana Boogie.  They were twin
> d> Beeches, but I'm not sure if they were the "Bonanza" model.
> d> Nice planes. They usually take them to 11,500'

>The only twin beeches I've jumped or flown were B- or D-18s.  I've never heard them called Bonanzas.  ICOCBW.

Our "Twin-Bo" was decomissioned by mother nature, last fall.  (Skydive North
Georgia, Ellijay, GA)  The pilot had been working on the brakes, early in 
the A.M..  When he was throttling it prior to test flight, a gust of wind
blew up under the tail.  The AFT portion of the craft rose, forcing the nose,
and both engines into the runway.  It's speculated, that the brakes were   
slightly overtightened. ;-)
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 06:58:46 GMT

In article <13856@mindlink.bc.ca>
  Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:

>     BTW is anyone else old enough to remember the orange scene
>in Sky Capers?

Oh!  So *that's* what those were!  (I'm but a pup in your reckoning,
Charlie, but I point out that those wonderful shorts are currently
available on video tape.)

Anyway, the scene in question has a fellow with his (old style) main
container filled with oranges.  There are maybe about a hundred of them?
It's hard to estimate, but there are a lot!  He "dumps" and there is an
explosion of little round things.  You look at them, and think "ping pong
balls", though of course they aren't.  If they are oranges, then they must
be little buggers off of someone's tree, since they don't quite seem the
size of California grown giants.  The average fall rate of these things
seemed to be a little less than the jumpers.  Must have made dumping kind
of interesting.  I'll bet that a terminal orange would probably go through
most canopies!  Heck, it would have been fun to be on the ground and watch
the swarm land, though I'd have probably done it from inside of my car!  It
looked to me like the gent who did this had only a standard rig, (though I
admit that I didn't look all that closely).  Was he really taking a
deliberate reserve ride from a belly wart without a tertiary?  Yeeg, I
think I'd pass that one by, thanks.

Hey, another question for you old fogies.  In Sky Capers alone, there were
several instances of pulls that looked pretty unusual.  One guy pulls his
ripcord all the way out to the limit of his arm, then reaches over with his
other hand and tugs on the exposed cable to get it to go.  A couple of
other guys have to tug twice or use both hands.  How common is this sort of
thing?  In one of my two jumps on a Pappilon (couldn't tell you the type of
the container, except that it was uncomfortable), I had to use my left hand
to assist the right.  On a modern system I'd have called it a hard pull,
though in retrospect I think it was just me not realizing the difference
that four pins makes instead of one.

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From: bs880@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anthony Abraham)
Subject: Learning to fly
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:24:35 GMT


	im relatively new to the sport (12 jumps) seven freefall.
And i am looking for suggestions on methods of turning, rolling,
fliping, and anything else that would be fun to do in freefall.
unfortunately i have only had two jumps with a long enough delay 
to try anything.
			thanks
				Anthony
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From: bonitz@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Bob Bonitz)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:23:49 GMT
Organization: UC Davis  Robotics Research Lab

In article <martin.712502040@centaur> martin@centaur.saic.com (Martin Hobson) writes:
>dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
>>Does anyone have a particularly good
>>brand/model of sports goggles to recommend, that provide comparable wind
>>protection to Kroop goggles?
>
>I'd like to hear about a good brand/type of sports goggles to wear,
>also. While I don't usually have a problem with the sports glasses that

A few years back I sat down with my optometrist and went through virtually
every catalog of prescription sport googles to find a pair suitable for
skydiving.  We were unsuccessful.  I finally found a pair of regular glass
with large curved lens which work quite well.  The only time I notice much
air flow is when my head is vertical so they are not real good when doing
freestyle.  There was a southern California jumper years ago that glued 
his lenses to the inside of his Kroop goggles.  Worked well for him.
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:11:59 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Jul28.033612.24989@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>now Mike claims that 8-ways are regularly launched from his King Air.
>i wonder if you could top that with the C-208.
>
Shit tim.. with that barn door on the 208.. you can have eight floaters!
How many floaters did Mike allow? He didn't even want front floaters coz
that would have dented his flaps (a fair enough concern).

Give me a Caravan any day over the king air.
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