From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Re: 500 Years of Genocide/AIM
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:27:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.193028.4489@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> SCOTH@wmvm1.cc.wm.edu writes:
>
>|Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:04:21 GMT
>|
>| tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica) writes:
>|
>||Where's the revision.  Are you saying the white men came and improved things
>||for the natives?
>|
>|I guess that depends on whether you think computers are an improvement
>|or not.  this is exactly the kind of question i am refering to.  are

ah jeez, i was trying to bite my tounge and not say anything else (i told 
lara i wouldn't :-)).

FIRST of all Steve, who said we had to kill the Suiox to get computers?






>|you guilty of being of European decent also?  maybe you should deed
>|all your property over to your local Native American and go back to
>|wherever your great-great-great-great...grandfather is from?  Is that
>|the solution you are proposing?  or is this some kind of contest to
>|see who can publically proclaim themselves to be *MOST* sorry for
>|the Native Americans?
>

SECOND of all, the whole idea is some recognition of Native Americans who
are still treated as second hand citizens! If you read anything you claim
to have read you'd know that. Are you suggesting they don't deserve to
have some rights on what little land they have left? Have you ever seen a
reservation and the conditions on it? DO YOU KNOW?


>There was a story Sunday morning on NPR's _Weekend Edition_ about how AIM
>had forced cancellation of the scheduled Columbus Day Parade in Denver.
>What disturbed me was that, at the news conference that the local Italian-
>American organization called to announce the cancellation, AIM shouted the
>speaker down -- they wouldn't even let him announce the cancellation of the
>event they wanted to force the cancellation of.  Resorting to these tactics
>is juvenile, rude, and counterproductive.  Persuasion is a much more power-
>ful weapon than coercion.


Well Scott just because I disagree with Steve doesn't mean I agree with
the tatics some groups use.  I'm pro environment but I don't blow up power
lines. You're oversimplifying to claim that if you think the Natives are
still getting a bum deal, then you agree with all AIM tatics

>
>I also wonder what the people carrying the "U.S. out of North America" signs
>at the SF event on Monday really want.  Do they want us all to go back to
>the country of our ancestors' origins?  How do we figure it out?  I'm English/
>Scottish/Irish/French, and, yes a smidgen Native American -- where should I
>go?  If I go back to England, should I start marching around carrying signs
>saying "Normans out of Wessex?"  After all, today is the 926th anniversary
>of the defeat of King Harald at the Battle of Hastings by William the
>Bastard (Conqueror).  On the other hand, perhaps I should return to France
>and start agitating to get the Romans out of Gaul.
>
>My point is this: we should raise our consciousness about the evils to which
>persons of color have been subjected in the New World, and we also need to
>heal our differences and work together.  As H. Ross Perot said in the debate
>Sunday night: united teams win; divided teams lose.
>
>ODC: Ain't no time to hate.
>
>-Scott "Non-revisionist" Hammer
> College of William and Mary

Agreed, and at the Shoreline show that Steve bitched about the Indeginous
speakers specifically talked about bringing all of us together, working 
together, etc. ('cept for the women with the poem from hell at the end. Sorry
lara, but that was a pretty good example of turning off your audience).

t


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