HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: All This Talk About KILL Files
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:22:44 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <3540051@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gph@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (G. Paul Houtz) writes:
>georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark):
>>
>>Hey, Abhay.  Move your candy ass to front and center stage, and let's
>                        ^^^^^^^^^
>>hear some vitamin D expertise from you.
>
>   Mr. Clark:
>
>   Your remarks are patently offensive, and degrade everyone who participates
>   in this discussion.  You should apologize for this kind of remark, which
>   sheds no light on any fact, but rather serves only to indicate how 
>   intellectually bankrupt your opinions really are.


Abhay's habit of repeatedly posting and reposting the same misinformation
and medical quackery, even after being told it is wrong, is far more
offensive than my choice of words used to describe it.

It's hypocrites like yourself who people like Abhay thrive on because you
make it more difficult for those who want to remedy the situation.

Never mind that Abhay's misinformed assertions are often inflammatory and
supported by no data. We must be polite, and allow Abhay to express them
without oppression, and above all, we must never use naughty words. That
seems to be your position.

You must be new around here.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Why Did They Abandon Their Vegetarian Roots?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:44:41 GMT


WHY DID CHRISTIANITY ABANDON ITS VEGETARIAN ROOTS?

Maybe the really interesting question is not whether or not
Christ was a vegetarian, but why did Christianity later
abandon its vegetarian roots.  Steven Rosen in his book,
FOOD FOR THE SPIRIT, 1987, argues:

     The early Christian fathers adhered to a meatless
     regime . . . many early Christian groups supported the
     meatless way of life.  In fact, the writings of the
     early Church indicate that meat eating was not
     officially allowed until the 4th century, when the
     Emperor Constantine decided that his version of
     Christianity would be the version for everyone.  A meat
     eating interpretation of the Bible became the official
     creed of the Roman Empire, and vegetarian Christians
     had to practice in secret or risk being put to death
     for heresy.  It is said that Constantine used to pour
     molten lead down the their throats if they were
     captured.
     
I'm certainly glad that it is a lot easier today to be a
vegetarian.  The occasional rudeness and social disapproval
is a pretty small inconvenience in comparison to
Constantine's way of dealing with vegetarians :-(  Later in
southern France a group of Albigensian vegetarians (a
Cartharist religious group) were put to death by hanging in
1052 because they refused to kill a chicken!

                                            ted



     

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: sannuti@math.washington.edu (Arun Meda Sannuti)
Subject: Indian (sort of) recipe: Pongali
Originator: sannuti@frobenius.math.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:15:39 GMT

	I hope people will like this recipes.  It's something made by
my mom that I like a lot, but I'm fairly sure it's non-standard.
(That is, most Indians have probably never heard of it, and if they
have, then they would probably think that this version tastes wrong.)
Anyway, I like it, and my mom has given me this recipe.  When I cook
it off this recipe, the Pongali doesn't taste as good, but maybe I
just miss my mom.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

COOKING PONGALI


1.  5 quarts size cooking pot

2.  2 or 3 tablespoons of vegetable oil
3.  1 teaspoon of whole or cracked black pepper

4.  1spoon of cumin seed (gilakara)
5.  some cashewnuts (12-15)
6.  some curry leaves (kari vepaku)
7.  1/2 to 1 inch of fresh ginger (allam)
8. a little turmeric powder (pasupu podi)

9.  5.5 cups of water

10. 1 cup of rice
11. 1 cup of Moong dhal (Pesara Pappu)

12. 1 table spoon salt

How to cook pongali

 First mix rice and  Moong dhal, and wash them as needed. Put
them aside.

 In the cooking pan, heat oil for a few minutes. Add
black pepper and cover pan. After black peppers pop, add items
4 to 8. After cashew nuts are brown, add water and let it boil.
Next add rice and  Moong dhal mix. Let them cook. Mix them now
and then. Once the rice and  Moong dhal mix is cooked (about 45
minutes to an hour), add salt, and mix it thoroughly.      

arun 
sannuti@math.washington.edu 
I'm just starving in grad school, waiting to get home so I can eat
some of my mom's food again.  (It's wonderful having a mother that will
cook you all the vegan food you want.)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tinamou@ferris.cray.com (Doug Nicholson)
Subject: Re: Trivia : What is the Christian argument for vegetarianism ?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 15 Nov 92 08:46:13 CST

In article <1992Nov13.093222.6018@abo.fi> abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:
>Since animals belong to God, have value to God and live for God, their
>needless destruction  is  sinful.  In  short:  animals have a right to
>their life.
>
>Contrary to popular belief, the bible does  not permit eating animals.
>People freely misinterprete and mistranslate things according to their
>convenience.

I have seen this statement made many times but I have never seen the
argument developed, book, chapter, and verse!
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Subject: Re: Vegitarian Traveling
Reply-To: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:41:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.173038.2790@svcdudes.com>, Eric Gundrum <gundrum@svcdudes.com> writes:
> I'm very interested in this approach. Maybe the list is so large it would
> be better left to FTP, but how can we know until someone tries it?
> 
> I'll even volunteer some of myself to help build it. (:-0 Oh-no, he's
> doing it again.)

Well, I don't believe that it's too large yet, probably never will be.
Has anyone else looked at the size of some of those faqs that make it
into net.answers? I think the sci.space faq is approaching 20 messages
(i.e. part1, part2, ... part20) and they're all huge! Of course that
shouldn't be an excuse for posting huge faqs, but here is an excuse
for the restaurant list:

If the list is located only at an FTP site, it will reach much fewer
people, since people in general couldn't be bothered with going
through the trouble of having to FTP to get some restaurant listings.
The more people you reach, the more the people reading these listings
will either 1. become vegetarian if thay are not already, 2. prevent
those who aren't finding enough variety in vegetarianism from quitting,
3. get those who are vegetarian more involved in the vegetarian
movement, 4. promote stricter varieties of vegetarianism (veganism),
etc...

Since I want to promote vegetarianism as much as I reasonably can,
then if only one person becomes a vegetarian because of these lists,
then they were well worth the effort. And I want to maximize this
possibility by having them as visible as possible.

Of course the lists are only a component of the whole information
package, the existing general information faq, the animal product
listings... there should be a list of famous vegetarians, if anyone
is working on that, could you please post your progress.

As for volonteering to help, yes, please, all help from anyone is
encouraged. There are several ways that you can do this:

1. Mail me any listings of vegetarian (or vegetarian-friendly)
   restaurants that you may find.
2. Post them on this newsgroup.
3. Pick a region, i.e. a city, state, country, etc that you can
   keep up to date and tell me of your intentions. If that region
   has not already been taken, I'll hand over the responsibility
   to you, if it has been taken already then I'll still accept
   any input you may have and forward it to whoever is responsible.

So if you want to help, welcome aboard.

-----------------------------------------------------
Mark Wisdom,  Bell-Northern Research,  Ottawa, Canada
Disclaimer: Above opinions are my own, and not BNR's.
-----------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous (especially for newcomers)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:22:41 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Nov23.051737.12566@abo.fi> abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:
>It has been stated time and again that :
>
>
>Some of us will continue to post informative articles on these topics.

But you're not one of them.

First impressions are that you and Ted are key contributors. Those who
have been around for a while, however, realize you are simply posting and
reposting the same, identical files, including this one. It gets to be
rather oppressing to hear the same old dogma, and as a consequence, reading
r.f.v. is a low priority for many people these days.

>If you are a busy person, avoid reading followups and read only new
>postings. You will get plenty of information from new postings. Followups
>mainly have arguments.

Abhay, you of all people *should* be reading followups, and when you post
and repost the same articles verbatim, you should monitor who, if anyone,
is interested. Reposting lengthy files stored on your hard disk involves
little time and no creativity, but it consumes much bandwidth, and it
is the source of many flames.

Better still, it would be nice if you and Ted would simply go away. The
success of r.f.v. does not revolve around your participation, as
evidenced by absence of flames and the presence of cooperation we
experienced over the summer when you guys were gone.

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Subject: Re: RECIPE:  Quick Black Bean Salad 
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:31:09 GMT

>QUICK BLACK BEAN SALAD
>Total time:  15 minutes 
>
>2 16-ounce cans black beans 
>
>Nutritional analysis per serving:  [...] 422 milligrams sodium 


I should add that you can probably cut way down on the sodium if 
you prepare the beans from scratch.  Of course, then it's no longer 
Quick... 

--Barbara 




Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: c188-am@po.berkeley.edu (Leor Jacobi)
Subject: Re: Hiking boots.....
Keywords: non-leather hiking boots
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:24:01 GMT


I just bought some non-leather Hiking boots from Payless for $18.
They're comfortable and at that price I don't care if they last.
They also have other non-leather shoes.

--
 Leor Jacobi                ,__o  |"Darkness is the shore of light.
 leor@ocf.berkeley.edu    _-\_<,  | The truth is framed with lies...
 c188-am@po.berkeley.edu (*)/'(*) | When you're thin and damp and shoddy,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| just remember you're in a body." - R.H.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mcoyle@fraser.sfu.ca (Strider Coyle)
Subject: Re: Hiking boots.....
Summary: Merrel make non leather ones
Keywords: non-leather hiking boots
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:28:29 GMT

	I have been told that Merrel boots makes a non-leather trail
boot. I am in the process of tracking this info down: more when it
happens.

         />	Michael (Strider) Coyle
        /< 	mcoyle@sfu.ca     michaec@sfu.ca     coyle@mcf.ucs.sfu.ca
[\\\\\\(O):::<=================================- 
        \<      Distributed Computing Support Group,                     
         \>     Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada



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From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: Canola oil?
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:10:43 GMT

In article <1461@eouk13.eoe.co.uk> pwestlak@eoe.co.uk (Peter Westlake) writes:
>
>I've seen canola oil in several recipes, but never heard of it.
>Is it known by a different name in Britain, or is it not
>sold here?

	"Canola" oil is actually rape seed oil, renamed because it was felt
	that the word "rape" would hold negative connotations and hurt sales.
	Or so I understand.  I believe it is also processed (bred?) to
	remove the high concentration of erucic acid which is a fatty acid
	not friendly to humans.

	Someone please correct me on this if I'm wrong.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: gelatin .. substitute
Keywords: Probably FAQ ... please bear with me
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:26:27 GMT

vyju@kind.ecn.purdue.edu (Vyjayanthi Manian) writes:



>I had a delicious mango pie the other day, and it complimented
>the fine Indian food that we had just had. I then learnt that the
>pie had been "set" with gelatin. 

>The recipe is extremely easy and I would like to recreate it - but
>I do not want to use gelatin. can someone tell me of a good substitute?
>Would pectin work? 

>The recipe calls for mango puree, cream cheese, sugar and gelatin, BTW. 

>Ovo-lacto alternatives are ok.

A substitute for jello is to use 1 Tbs. agar agar flakes 
with 2 cups of liquid.  To make it even more firm, one
simply adds more agar agar (up to 2 Tbs for 2 cups of liquid).
One then heats the liquid to a boil and then stir until
all of it is completely dissolved (about 5 - 8 minutes).

Agar-agar is obtained from certain seaweeds and 
has iron, calcium, phosphorsus, iodine and vitamins
A, C, and K, and it is low in calories to boot.  Adds soft 
fiberous bulk to the diet and like pectin, according
to food economist Judy Brown (see her GUIDE TO NATURAL
FOODS COOKING), can it can bond with toxic metals
lead?) to help carry them out of the digestive track.
I don't know about this latter point, but I do know that
this kind of soft fiber is rapidly fermentable increasing
microbial proliferation and excretion.  It is thought that
microbial cell synthesis would help to scavenge degradable
nitrogenous substances which are thereby excreted along
with the microbes.  Also, the more rapidly fermentable fiber
appear to have a favourable effect on mineral balance since
calcium, zinc, iron bound to these fibers are released as
fermentation occurs thereby made available for absorption
by the colon.  (see Hunt & Groff, ADVANCED NUTRITION, 1990).
 
I guess if you want to "set" the mango pie with agar-agar
this should work just fine..  Indeed, agar-agar is particularly 
good with acid fruits.  Hence, for aspics of savories citric a
acid (e.g., as from lemon juice) or malic acid (e.g., as in
apple cider or malt vinegar).  

Your mango pie recipe therefore seems ideally suited to use
agar-agar.

Agar-agar is available in flakes, powder, strands or bars (kanten).
It is not necessary to soak agar flakes or powder in cold water
before using, hence these are the most convenient forms of
agar-agar to purchase.  Kanten bars, for example, need to
be broken into pieces, washed, wrung out and soaked in water
for 30 minutes -- something you can do while you're doing
the laundry, maybe even do at the same time in the
same cold water rise cycle  :-) :-)

It will adequately set at room temperature but of course will
set more quickly in the refigerator.  Agar, however, will not
set in the presence of acetic acid found in wine and distilled
vinegars, not will it set properly if there is a high proportion
of oxalic acid as found in spinach, chocolate and rhubarb.
One then uses something called "Irish moss".


                            ted
From: avi@seal.imagen.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: why vegetarianism?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:49:03 GMT
Reply-To: avi@seal.imagen.com
Organization: imagen

In article <1e0aboINN935@morrow.stanford.edu>, ceg@nova3.stanford.edu (Chris Gronbeck) writes:
|> In article <BxMs8A.Guw@unix.amherst.edu> aspandia@unix.amherst.edu (ANAND SANKAR PANDIAN) writes:
|> >
|> >An open question: Does anyone out there have any theories of vegetarian
|> >ethics that don't rest on the "badness" of killing animals? It seems as
|> >though death is a part (integral part) of the life cycle, and an ecologically
|> >conscious ehtics of vegetarianism would take that into account. Any ideas?
|> 
|> Actually, almost no one I know who is vegetarian is such solely or
|> even mainly due to a belief that killing animals is wrong.  I
|> would guess that a third of my vegetarian friends are veggie
|> because they believe factory farming and other forms of animals
|> torture are bad, a third due to health-related factors, and a third
|> because they just don't like meat.
|> 
|> Death is certainly as natural and necessary as life, but what
|> animals experience in conventional manufacturing facilities is
|> about as unnatural and unnecessary as it gets.  
|> 

Sounds like what you're saying is that those vegetarians refrain from
eating meat because of unnatural conditions in factory farming.
This would lead to the conclusion that they would enjoy eating a hunted 
animal (grown naturally in nature) or a fish caught in the sea, or even 
free-range chickens.  Somehow, I don't think so ...
From: pwestlak@eoe.co.uk (Peter Westlake)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Canola oil?
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:43:33 GMT
Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Thanks to all the people who explained what canola oil is,
in articles or by email. It turns out that it is sold here
in Britain, originally as an anonymous constituent of cheap
vegetable oils and more recently under its other name of
rapeseed oil. I hope the new name catches on here too,
because it is very embarrassing when people ask the name
of the spectacular yellow crops that fill half of Britain
in the summer. (There's a lot more of it now than a few years
ago - an EC-sponsored hay fever epidemic :-( )

Peter.
-- 
Peter M Westlake                        EO Computer Ltd.,
Tel: +223-843131                        Abberley House,  Granhams Road,
Fax: +223-843032                        Great Shelford,
email:  pwestlak@eoe.co.uk              Cambridge CB2 5LQ,   England
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Is animal use inevitably inhumane? Looks like it.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:52:38 GMT

11jsutton@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>Recent comments by a variety of people both on rfv and elsewhere
>have gotten me thinking about the whole question of "cruelty-free"
>uses of animals. 

Great!  That indeed is a fine outcome for this conference.
At least I think so.  :-).

I think your analysis to be very insightful about the 
inevitable press of the economics of cheap food 
production leading to some inescapable and increasing
cruelity and suffering of those animals as factory
techniques of production are introduced.  Do you think
there is no possibility of a regulated production of
say, eggs or wool, via strong laws protecting the
animals from human cruelty and suffering?  Hmm, maybe
not.  Now, you've got me thinking about this question.  ;-)

[...]
>but tonight I was called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice.....
>There I was, enthusiastically watching the latest all-new
>episode of Star Trek, when someone noticed the borrowed PeTA
>magazine in my hands and started asking me questions about AR.
>After a few agonizing seconds pondering my options, I made a
>decision to forego the rest of the Star Trek episode (the Western
>holodeck one!) and talk to the person interested in AR. 
[...]
>This, ladies and gentlemen, is the meaning of True Sacrifice.
>;-)          ;-)          ;-)          ;-)         ;-)

Jennifer, this is indeed the ultimate sacrifice!  I'm
not sure that I could be so giving of myself. ;-( 
I think this is a good argument for buying a VCR  :-)

Thanks for the thoughtful posting,

                                     ted

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: *Hot* Sauce----- The hottest!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:20:19 GMT

In article <22NOV199212071762@trentu.ca> rbarclay@trentu.ca (Ross Barclay) writes:
>What are and where can one get habanero peppers

You'll have to look in a well-stocked grocery (fresh or sometimes
canned).  The habanero is also refered to as a "scotch bonnet"
(particularly in the Caribbean). They have a distinct and strong
flavor and are said to be as much as 60 times hotter than jalepenos.
An alternative to fresh is one of many habanaro chili sauces; one that
is just about pure habanero is Peppa-Po Hot Sauce.

A good source for all manner of peppers and hot sauces is a company
called Mo Hotta Mo Betta.  You can get a 35-page mail-order catalog of
hot sauces and seasonings by calling 1-800-462-3220 or writing to:

Mo Hotta Mo Betta
P.O. Box 4136
San Luis Obispo, CA 93403

They list 30 hot sauces based on the habanero, or for the desperate,
you can have a two-pound box of fresh habanero delivered to you in 48
hours for $25.

The also sell Habanero Lollipops, a quarter a piece or 3 for 50 cents.

NEAT catalog!!

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com

"Dear Mo, I have a bland friend who needs your help.  He/She would
like to be able to:
	(check as many as you like)

	Put hot sauce on jalapenos
	Eat jerk - not be one
	Snort wasabi powder like snuff
	Sprinkle scotch bonnet flakes on breakfast cereal
	Gargle daily with habanero sauce"

--Mo Hotta - Mo Betta Catalog
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tinamou@ferris.cray.com (Doug Nicholson)
Subject: Re: George at his worst - was Conclusions about Michael Traub. 
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:16:40 CST

In article <1992Nov15.183535.27382@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.100952.23966@walter.cray.com> tinamou@ferris.cray.com (Doug Nicholson) writes:
>>
>>I am vegetarian for primarily health reasons and one of those health
>>reasons is to minimize contact with a profession I view as decreasingly
>>ethical.
>
>>I think the interest in alternative medicine is a reaction to a
>>tradition that no longer meets some people's needs.
>
>Hopefully, President Clinton will do something to make quality
>health care available to all Americans. If he succeeds, then the
>overall image of health-care providers will improve.
>
>When people cannot afford health care, it's easy to blame the "rich,
>greedy doctors with deep pockets," when in fact the doctors are just
>as much victimized by the system as are their patients.

I doubt that Clinton is going to do anything about practitioners
who prescribe procedures they know will be ineffective rather than
refer you to a specialist who can perform a procedure that will be.
From: deatz@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gregory H Deatz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Was Christ a vegetarian? (was: Re: Trivia : What is the Christian argument..)
Keywords: bible, jesus, fish
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:37:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Who cares?????

And by the way, was he even Christ??????
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Eric Gundrum <gundrum@svcdudes.com>
Subject: Re: Vegitarian Traveling
Organization: Software Ventures Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:30:38 GMT

>>This list could be posted periodically to r.f.v and news.answers.
>>It could be a real life-saver (literally!) and, best of all, would be
free!! 

I'm very interested in this approach. Maybe the list is so large it would
be better left to FTP, but how can we know until someone tries it?

I'll even volunteer some of myself to help build it. (:-0 Oh-no, he's
doing it again.)

--eric
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