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From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: Very expensive cables
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:19:41 GMT

In article <7490222@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
writes:
>> Do expensive cables really make a difference?
>
>No. After you have installed good, heavy (low gauge number) conductors
>for your speakers, and quality interconnects (and by "quality," I simply mean
>something well-constructed of a decent but quite ordinary cable and similar
>connectors), there is nothing more to be gained here.  Claims of magical
>qualities of various cables are simply so many snake-oil sales pitches.
>

A question for all the posters who say there are no differences between cables:
 Have you actually tried listening to different cables in a reasonably good
high-end system?????
Or is your "no difference" opinion based on what you were told in engineering
school?

I think that any open-minded person who actually does the experiment (comparing
cables) will hear a difference.

There are few claims of "magical qualities". It is simply claimed that
different cables sound different. 

Two things to note: First, the system has to be good enough to hear the
difference.  With a $500-$1000 system, the free cables are probably fine.  With
a $5000 system there will be an audible difference between cables.  Second,
there is not a "best" cable.  Different cables will sound better in different
systems and to different people's tastes, and not necessarily based on price. 
All reputable dealers, writers, and manufacturers say that it is important to
try out cables and find the one that you prefer.

This post is from a skeptical listener who, as the last step in putting
together a good system, borrowed some cables to hear if there were any
differences.  There were, any they were easily heard.  The cables I liked the
most and ended up getting were not the most expensive ones I heard.

Dan Kester
kester@mte.ncsu.edu
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Will mono VCRs copy HiFi soundtracks?
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:22:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

I have been told that the HiFi soundtrack on a VCR is encoded into the
video track of the tape, not the audio track. Does this mean that you can
copy a HiFi video from one mono VCR to another, then play the copied tape
on a HiFi VCR and still get the stereo soundtrack coming out?


-- 
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mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."
From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sub woofer kits
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:25:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep2.140103.23800@tronsbox.xei.com> moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
>If the T/S numbers they quote are accurate, you'd find it hard to beat
>the Kicker (Stillwater Designs) "Solobaric" drivers.  Using their T/S

Be careful before you buy one, though. Word from dealers around here
is that Stillwater had some QC or assembly problems with the Solobaric
drivers. The specific problem, if I remember correctly, was the cone
coming loose trom the voice coil...bad glue? Maybe they need some of
that Space Shuttle tile adhesive Orion is using :-) (800w thermal power
handling on a 12" !?!?!?! ie the XTR 12- and I hav seen them do it!)

>
>The driver's expensive though, listing at $299.  It's regularly
>discounted.

You can usually get them for $219 or so around here, or less.

Regards,
Gordon.

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From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
Subject: Re: Very expensive cables
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:13:45 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.181941.13496@ncsu.edu>, Dan Kester asks:

> A question for all the posters who say there are no differences between
> cables:
>  Have you actually tried listening to different cables in a reasonably good
> high-end system?????
> Or is your "no difference" opinion based on what you were told in engineering
> school?

Gee, Dan, what they teach us in engineering school brought you audio in the
first place, and is what keeps buildings standing, bridges bearing loads,
cars running, airplanes flying, radio stations on the air, and the telephone
systems working.  Now, what makes you doubt its applicability to electrical
signal propagation in a simple conductor?

Perhaps you doubt the experiential data from myriads of psychologists on the
difficulties involved in accurately measuring human perception and preference
through even carefully controlled experiments.

Oh yes, there are differences in cables, and they are measurable according to
some very well-known models which have been quantified and validated
independently uncountable times.  My experience on this board is that all of
the engineers who have commented on cables have at one time or another offered
evidence to show what the differences are and under what conditions they will
have an effect, so your characterization above seems a bit unfair.

The conclusion is that cables of similar size have measurable differences
which are either insignificant at audio frequencies for the lengths normally
encountered or are far below the limits of knowledge of the other components
in the system.  How do I know this other than by personal experience as a
practicing engineer?  Hewlett-Packard, Tektronics, General Radio, Marconi, and
others have made successful businesses in instrumentation, and the NIST hasn't
called any of them on it yet, so it's not exactly blind faith.

When people insist on patronizing speaker manufacturers who won't follow
reasonable practice standards of impedance stability and amplifier
manufacturers who use vacuum tube circuits (or similar output driver
topologies) that result in high impedance outputs not approximating voltage
sources, they've predictably got far more than cable problems.  In spite of
the cost of such components, I would not call the match a "reasonably good
system".

Does anybody still listen to music?

Your turn.

Rich


   "Please keep in mind that the ultimate goal [of hi-fi] is the
   reproduction of art, and that the invocation of science, while a neat
   parlour trick, is often unnecessary, flawed, and unreasonable."
   --  name mercifully withheld...                            rsd@sei.cmu.edu
From: mcvey@mpr.ca (Iain McVey)
Subject: Re: Green Pens & CDs (was Re: Very expensive cables)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 00:05:07 GMT

In article <Bu2Fp0.3wx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman) writes:
>Actually, the data and the label are both on the same side of the CD. The  
>data is read through the plastic, from the opposite (non-label) side.


I hope I am not the 115th do post this, but

Huh?

- Iain -
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From: wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Help!!!!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:22:06 GMT
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY


	For the past 6 years my stereo has consisted of a Sony D-55
discman and a pair of AR Powered Partners.  Recently the cd player has
been skipping when I start playing a disk.  If I stop the disc and
restart it it usually plays fine.  But sometimes it'll start skipping
after the disc has been playing for awhile.  Its driving me absolutely
crazy.  IS the discman just getting too old or is there something else
wrong?  I don't think that I can afford to get another one at this
time.  I would like suggestions on what I can do.  Do lens cleaners
work?  etc...   Thanx in advance.

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'83 Audi 5000s: sport sedan from hell!!!
'86 Toyota MR2: a real sports car, fun! fun! and more FUN!
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX: "Atomic M&M"  Is this thing glued to the
                                          road? 	

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Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: humm@cs.uow.edu.au (Bernhard G Humm)
Subject: FERRANIA cameras wanted
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:25:34 GMT

A relative of mine collects antique Italian cameras of make FERRANIA. 
2 types have been especially designed for Australia. Their names are:

FERRANIA JUNIOR and FERRANIA CANDOG

Does anybody know how to get one of these?


__________________________________________________________
Bernhard G. Humm   <humm@cs.uow.edu.au>
Telecommunications Software Research Centre
Department of Computer Science, University of Wollongong
Wollongong, NSW, Australia
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Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: rrw@philabs.philips.com (Roger White)
Subject: Re: Who was Jenny Lind?
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:05:27 GMT

In article <14SEP199209421640@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington) writes:
>
>I think the subject line says it all, who was Jenny Lind (or was she really 
> real)?  My wife and I have been seeing Jenny Lind beds at auctions and 
>this question naturally came up. Anybody know?
>
>E. Allen Arrington  
>        Trooper, 1st Kentucky Cavalry, Co. C 
>        Mounted Memorial Unit                 
>and Mason (who sleeps in a stall)

Jenny Lind was real, was also know as "The Swedish Nightingale," and was
brought to this country than none other than P.T. Barnum ("There's a Sucker
Born Every Minute").  She was an opera singer with a much admired voice
apparently.

Take care,

Rog

Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: wkm1@nestor.uucp (24102-messer)
Subject: Noritake China from Occupied Japan
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 23:05:30 GMT
Keywords: Noritake China, Occupied Japan

My dad has service for 12 of Noritake China, circa 1945/46(?)
that says "Made in Occupied Japan" on the bottom.  The set is
intact, except for one broken serving platter.

He would like to know approximately what it's worth.  He tried
calling the Noritake people in New York, they said they wouldn't
divulge the information, but were QUITE willing to buy it back.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Please contact me through this group.

Thank you,
Wendy Messer
.
From: SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Antique Radios from 1946 onward
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:53:09 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


>
>>
>Could you tell me more about ARC?  I am working on my first antique
>radio, a Stromberg Carlson, and any information is appritiated.
>Jerry Pelikan  c05705gp@wuvmd.wustl.edu
>
Antique Radio Classified, PO Box 2, Carlisle, MA 01741, (508) 371-0512.  I thin
k they will send a free issue for you to see if you like it or not.  It's not c
heap, $27 a year.  It's mostly wanted and for sale classified ads.  If you're n
ew to the hobby, the 1st thing to do is find a local antique radio club and att
end one of their swap meets.  This gives you personal contacts and a feel for p
rices.  Usually the best prices are at these meets (needless to say a good sele
ction also).  What model is your SC?  Good luck, Spencer.
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: veatch@cs.toronto.edu ("Timothy R. Veatch")
Subject: Toronto antique radio club (Was: Antique Radios from 1946 onward)
Reply-To: veatch@cs.toronto.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: tor
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:08:37 GMT

SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
> If you're new to the hobby,
> the 1st thing to do is find a local antique radio club
> and attend one of their swap meets.
> This gives you personal contacts and a feel for prices.
> Usually the best prices are at these meets
> (needless to say a good selection also).

Okay.  So how do I get in contact with the antique radio
club in Toronto?
Thanx.

-- 
                                             Tim
From: mouse@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Info on Stangle Value
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:42:56 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <Sep.14.13.56.44.1992.23819@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
> I don't know if this is the right newsgroup for this so I'll keep
> it brief.  If anyone has any knowledge of the value of Stangle
> pottery please contact me via email.  I have some questions.
> 
> Thank you,
> -- 
> Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
> Publications Coordinator - User Services
> Rutgers University Computing Services
-- 

Hi, Susan...

I think you have, indeed, found the right group.  Could you please
tell us what sort of things you want to know about?  Stangle made
LOTS of things over the years.  8-)

Waiting with bated (baited?  8-)  ) breath,

Nancy

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Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: parrish@sparky.drad.umn.edu (Todd B. Parrish)
Subject: Dining room chairs for sale
Organization: University of Minnesota, Radiology Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:40:25 GMT


Hi there,
	I have a set of 6 late 18th cent. walnut dining room chairs.
	They are pretty simple in design and they have some inlay. The seats
	are made of dark green leather. I would like $1400 dollars for the set.

	please send any response to via E-mail since our system manager locks
	us out of the network during the day.

	my address is parrish@sparky.drad.umn.edu

	I hope this makes somebody happy .....
From: afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Who was Jenny Lind?
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:42:00 GMT
Organization: 1st Kentucky Cavalry Co. C
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I think the subject line says it all, who was Jenny Lind (or was she really 
 real)?  My wife and I have been seeing Jenny Lind beds at auctions and 
this question naturally came up. Anybody know?

E. Allen Arrington  
        Trooper, 1st Kentucky Cavalry, Co. C 
        Mounted Memorial Unit                 
and Mason (who sleeps in a stall)
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Who was Jenny Lind?
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:53:27 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


One other bit of trivia is that there is a little town of Jenny Lind
is western Arkansas, north of Fort Smith.  I spoze it was named for
the singer - dunno if there is any connection with the Jenny Lind bed.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
From: SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Antique Radios from 1946 onward
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:40:08 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep9.150348.11222@cos.com>
bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:

>MCM Electronics [1-800-543-4330] in Ohio has six packages
>of these Sams Photofact papers at $16.95 each. They cover
>radios from 1946 to 1960, depending on the manufacturer's
>place in the alphabet. Volume 1 is Admiral to Clearsonic,
>Volume 2 is Co-op to Gelose, Volume 3 is GE to Monitoradio,
>Volume 4 is Motorola to RCA Victor, Volume 5 is Realtone
>to Stratavox, and Volume 6 is Stromberg-Carlson to Zenith.
>
I believe the books you are referencing are the "Radios of the Baby Boomer" ser
ies.  These are NOT the same as Sams Photo Facts.  This series has taken the ph
otos used on each indivdual Sams folder and placed 2 per page, along with a sho
rt description of the radio.  There is no service info.  This series is helpful
l in identifying radios, such as year made, model #, etc.  The are of no use fo
r servicing radios.  This is when a real Sams Photo Fact folder will be of use.
For those who aren't familiar, it shows photo and identifies all parts location
s, gives values and part numbers, also provides service info such as alignment
procedures.  Most of the older ones are out of print, yet a good library may ha
ve a set.  I just counted the # of radio books available from an ad in Aug ARC.
Would you believe around 50 different titles!! (all regarding old radios).



Newsgroups: rec.antiques,rec.collecting
From: judy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (judith.diehl)
Subject: CALIFORNIA RAISINS COSTUME FOR SALE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:00:36 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: CALIFORNIA RAISINS



                            FOR SALE

                 CALIFORNIA RAISINS FOAM COSTUME 

                   
                       SIZE (CHILDREN'S)

    
                       USED - NO GLOVES



                       $5.00  plus shipping charges


 




         PLEASE REPLY VIA E-MAIL.     THANKS !!!!!

                       
                   Judy Diehl  AT&T Network Systems
From: gwynne@milton.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Who was Jenny Lind?
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:00:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <14SEP199209421640@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington) writes:
>
>I think the subject line says it all, who was Jenny Lind (or was she really 
> real)?  My wife and I have been seeing Jenny Lind beds at auctions and 
>this question naturally came up. Anybody know?
>

I have a Jenny Lind bed and I guess the style is similar regardless of the 
age - I've seen Jenny Lind cribs advertised and really wanted one for my
then baby since I knew that she would get my Jenny Lind bed eventually and
I liked that continuity.

Why this bed style was named after the singer, I have no clue.  I know that
it HAS to be a twin bed and somewhere in my memory is the hint of her
ummarried state having something to do with the bed being a twin.  But I
could be making that up.

Anyone have any other clues?  

Kristan
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Info on Stangle Value
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:56:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I don't know if this is the right newsgroup for this so I'll keep
it brief.  If anyone has any knowledge of the value of Stangle
pottery please contact me via email.  I have some questions.

Thank you,


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:41:40 CST
From:         Jerry Pelikan <C05705GP@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Antique Radios from 1946 onward
Newsgroups:   rec.antiques

>
>In article <1685E6C19.SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com>, SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com says:
>
>This is when a real Sams Photo Fact folder will be of use.
>For those who aren't familiar, it shows photo and identifies all parts
>locations,
>gives values and part numbers, also provides service info such as alignment
>procedures.  Most of the older ones are out of print, yet a good library may
>have
>a set.  I just counted the # of radio books available from an ad in Aug
>ARC.
>Would you believe around 50 different titles!! (all regarding old radios).
>
Could you tell me more about ARC?  I am working on my first antique
radio, a Stromberg Carlson, and any information is appritiated.
Jerry Pelikan  c05705gp@wuvmd.wustl.edu
From: d_hanes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Hanes)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:09:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Wanted: Door plastic for a 1940 Rockola jukebox
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.antiques

A good source for older jukebox parts is:

   Victory Glass Company
   3260 Ute Avenue
   Waukee, IA  50263
   (515) 987-5765
I noticed in their latest advertisement that they are having a sale for the
month of September.  If your order is over $100, you can deduct 20%.

Some other places that you might try:
   Lloyd's Jukeboxes
   22900 Shaw Road #106
   Sterling, VA 22170
   (703) 834-6699

   Cajun Jukeboxes
   PO Box 645
   Washington, LA  70589
   (318) 826-3511 

Good luck,
Dave
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: cpb@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Bednarz)
Subject: DISNEY PLATES WANTED
Organization: Raytheon Company
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:57:27 GMT



	Hello

	I'am posting this for a freind .
	His wife has a collection of 6" disney plates . He tells me that there
are 6 plates in the set . He would like to find 2 plates to complete the
collection by xmas .
The two plates "LADY AND THE TRAMP" AND "101 DALMATIONS" .
The plates were discontinued in 1986 .
So if you have the plates or know where to purchase the plates , the information
would be very helpful.


	Thank You
	Please either mail me the response or post this info in rec.antiques .
From: mouse@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Who was Jenny Lind?
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:39:48 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <14SEP199209421640@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington) writes:
> 
> I think the subject line says it all, who was Jenny Lind (or was she really 
>  real)?  My wife and I have been seeing Jenny Lind beds at auctions and 
> this question naturally came up. Anybody know?
> 
> E. Allen Arrington  
>         Trooper, 1st Kentucky Cavalry, Co. C 
>         Mounted Memorial Unit                 
> and Mason (who sleeps in a stall)

Jenny Lind (1820-1887), Sewdish soprano, known as the "Swedish Night-
ingale."  Debut (1838) as Agatha in Weber's "Der Freishuetz."  Toured
Europe and U.S.  The extremes to which the public would go in its
adulation of popular entertainers of the period, especially when urged
on by clever promotion, was nowhere better shown than in connection
with the American tour of Jenny Lind.  Miss Lind was brought to the
U.S. in 1850 by master showman and promoter Phineas T. Barnum.  On her
arrical 30,000 people surrounded her New York City hotel, hoping to
see the coloratura coprano.  Tickets for her Sept. 11 debut at Castle
Garden Theater were auctioned at $225.  Bosten topped that with a
$625 bid when she sang there.  Miss Lind gave 95 concerts around the
country from 1850-1852, for which she received $17,675.  Barnum made
a fortune.

As to a Jenny Lind bed... I don't have my books here in the office...
so I'm clueless.  Maybe someone else can fill us in.

Nancy 

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