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From: jem@sm.luth.se (Jan Erik Mostr|m)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: WANTED: Fax nr and address in California
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:55:28 GMT
Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden


Hi
I'm looking for the fax number (if they have one) and the address of a
shop i Monterey, California. If you can look it up for me I would be
very grateful.

The shop is called: Le Blanc Gallery and is situated close to the
conference center in Monterey.

			Thanks
				jem
From: rforster@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Russ Forster)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Weather in Canadian Rocky in Sept.
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:07:21 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Sep1.154522.4783@sj.nec.com>, hisashi@neclpd.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Hisashi Naganuma) writes:
> 
> We are planning to go Jasper, Canada from Sept 26. to Oct. 3.
> Please let me have information about the weather there.
> Is it cold? Can we expect much rain or snow there?
> 
> If there is any other information for sightseeing, please post.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
	Weather in Jasper is unpredictable at the best of times.  I would
	suggest you bring your parkas as well as fall clothes.  It is generally
	cooler in Jasper but the senary is fantastic.  Make sure to take a day
	trip to the Columbia ice fields.

> Hisashi Naganuma
> hisashi@lpd.sj.nec.com
-- 
Regards,

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BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., V8X 4S8
Internet: RForster@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA       Phone: (604) 389-3186
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:43:17 GMT

In article <frank2.28@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:
>It has been my experience when travelling abroad that the majority 
>of American tourists are loud, obtrusive and selfish. They are at their 
>worst in large tour groups, but individuals and families can be almost as 
>bad. They appear to have no consideration for fellow tourists and the locals 
>whose lands they are visiting. 
>
>I do not want to be guilty of generalising.

	Hogwash. If you had not wanted to be 'guilty of generalizing' 
you would not have opened your post with two paragraphs of Yank-baiting
generalization, cross-posted to s.c.usa. If you were truly interested in
rational discussion in re: the behavior of Americans abroad, you would
have used an interogative, rather than a declarative form of presentation.

	The impressively civilized train of rebuttals which followed
this Yank-bait is characteristic of rec.travel and constitutes an
admirable contrast vis-a-vis the usual (non)response one sees to this
breed of post in so many other special issue newsgroups. About once 
every 3 weeks, someone posts a hackneyed generalization about 'Mericuns  
to the travel newsgroup, and receives either silence or calm, level-headed
rebuttals in response. The Yank-baiting posts are invariably produced by
citizens of 'first world' nations who should, on the face of it, have
little business complaining about Americans per se, given their own
peoples international reputation and/or travel habits.
	Habitual Yank-baiting is quite commonplace over here in s.c.usa 
also, though it tends to have a more political flavor, and is on average
a little more sophisticated than the post above. While it might appear that
s.c.usa is a more reasonable place for such posts, I tend to view Yank-
baiting in s.c.usa as even more obnoxious than Yank-bashing in 'special 
issue-oriented' newsgroups. Most of us who read and post to s.c.usa do 
so out of interest in matters of internal culture. Many of us are not
overfond of being used to boost the egos of people who derive their 
'understanding' of us from their brief encounters with the small
subset of Americans who are wealthy enough to take package tours 
to Europe or 'safari' junkets to southern Africa.
	
	
>David Frank       <frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>
>University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg


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From: grillo@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (GUEST Savino Grillo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Hawaii Info needed
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:31:19 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA


Hi there,

Yes, another Hawaii info request....
I'm from Italy, but I have been in the USA for a while, I'd like
to visit Hawaii in December (23/4Jan), how is the weather in that period ?
Do you have ANY suggestion ? Do I need to rent a car? Which are the best things
to do/see ?

Thanks in advance.
						Savino
From: tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tom Gardner)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Island of Santorini, Greece.
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:20:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.

Santorini/Thira is exceptionally pretty, especially away from the hordes of
tourists (Oct shouldn't be too bad). 

Use the bus, or walk. Use moped _iff_ your insurance policy covers you for 
accidents while on then. No joke: read and understand the smallprint.

Personally I like Oia, on the northern tip.

Why not take a ferry from Pireaus (short bus ride from the airport, or on
the underground) to Santorini. Journey time 1 day, relaxing, interesting -
you are unlikely to forget it. But don't rely on ferry times if you have to
catch a plane at the other end.
From: gcopmse@state.systems.sa.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: JAVA have you been there?
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:33:59 GMT
Organization: State Systems, South Australia

i am keen to find out any information about java especially the east coast
 i am interested in any good snorkelling spots and surfing spots for body
surfing and any other places of interest. i have travelled in indonesia before
travelling from bali to flores and found this the best bit of travelling ive
done. i will be back-packing it so accomadation is no problem as i think i have
experienced all indoesia has to offer in this area. i will be travelling in
october .                              thank you.
From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Advice on travelling to Europe alone
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:51:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <Sep.2.13.51.32.1992.21074@romulus.rutgers.edu>, lawong@romulus.rutgers.edu (Laam Wong) writes...
> 
>I will be leaving Newark New Jersey to Brussels, then to Holland,
>Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland and back to Brussels. The whole
>trip is about 3 weeks and I am going by myself. I will appreciate if
>anyone can give me some advices or info that I need to pay special
>attention to while visiting those countries. Thanks!
> 

Traveling alone can be great.  But as a woman alone you should be very
aware of your surroundings at all times.  When I was traveling with my
sister, we found the most problems with harassment in Italy.  Some of
the things were perpetrated on all tourists -- the gypsy pickpocket
children near the train stations, for example -- but some were definitely
aimed at us because we were female.  For example, at Pompeii, which was
almost empty (this was November or December), the "tour guides" would
approach frequently and offer to guide us through a particular house
or section.  The main intention was to explicitly point out the 
genitalia in the murals and ask, "you  like?"  This happened with more
than one man there and it was distinctly creepy, since the place was
so deserted.  

Don't be very trusting of following strange men anywhere -- even if
the offer seems innocuous like to change money, or show you to a private
pension (as is common in many places), or give you directions.  Don't
avoid talking to natives, just try to keep in public settings, like
restaurants and tourist attractions.  Socializing with mixed-sex
groups of people is probably the safest.

I don't mean for you to be afraid of everyone.  Just being in constant
awareness of your location, the people around you, and the location of
your wallet is a big help.  

I think the best part of traveling alone is the chance to really take
your time with things that appeal to you -- a certain museum, or a view.
It's a good opportunity to keep a journal.  It's also easy to get lonely.
At a cafe or tourist attraction, strike up a conversation with a group
(or another woman) and you may find yourself with a dinner companion.
If you're staying in hostels you'll meet LOTS of young travelers from
all over.  

Have fun!
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: donm@cs.UAlberta.CA (Don Murray)
Subject: Re: What to do and see in Hong Kong.
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:50:05 GMT

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:

>In article <990011@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kinch@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com
>(Kinch Malapitan) writes:
>> ... There is a night market by Nathan Road and it's
>> open (I think) until 1am or 2am... You can't miss this one since everyone heads
>> to that direction every night... They close blocks and blocks of streets so the
>> vendors can set up shop... In terms of food, I personally like seafood and they
>> have plenty of them there - however, the water there is dirty and I didn't want
>> to take a chance on getting sick... If you're more daring then make sure you 
>> take some medicine (like Immodium - this is stronger than PeptoBismol) just in
>> case you get sick... Have fun !!!

>Five of us went a couple of years ago and ate a wonderful seafood dinner at one
>of the outdoor restaurants there with absolutely no problems.  In fact, we ate
>all sorts of food all through Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore from
>outdoor stands, restaurants, etc., and never had a problem.

Yes, the night market on Temple Street is definitely a neat place to go.
But go there at night. It is open during the late afternoon, but isn't as interesting
then.

I ate there, on the street a couple of times, with the taxis whizzing by about
2 feet away from my chair, and I never had any trouble with getting sick.
But, of course, it is a risk :)
From: fishkin@aludra.usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: The naming of the transit system in the Bay Area.
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:59:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

BART = Bay Area Rapid Transit

Does Fremont really have FART?  I think that this must be a joke, right?

Now, does anyone know if MUNI in SF is an acronym or just short for
municipal?

SF in SoCal
From: INTPROG%Rollins.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: (none)
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:56:47 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Please add INTPROG@ROLLINS to your list of travel advisory
subscribers.

K. Aziz
International Programs Office
Rollins College
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: 52 Re: Miami and Hurricane
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:21:07 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>>Anybody knows whether guests at beach hotels along Miami Beach
>What happened to cruises in and out of Miami?

Well, I'm scheduled to leave out of Miami on a Blackbeard's cruise
9/18/92 ... and when they were contacted last week they said that
everything was just FINE, the boats are OK (having headed upriver
when Andrew approached) and everything is still a go.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: larsf@tts.lth.se (Lars Falk)
Subject: Re: Info on Sloan House YMCA, NY ?
Organization: Communication Systems, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:04:49 GMT

In article <hiew.715429088@wambenger> hiew@cs.uwa.oz.au (HIEW Hong Liang) writes:
>I'm going to visit New York City sometime mid-November, and I'm planning
>to stay at the William Sloan House (YMCA) at 34th St. Can someone who
>knows or have been to the place please tell me something about it
>(condition of rooms, neighbourhood, proximity to public transport, etc)?
>
>Any help given would be deeply appreciated.
>
>hiew.
I spent two nights at Sloan House in the end of June. The rooms were
small but clean, showers and toilets of acceptable standard. There
were some strange persons in the neighbourhood, but in my opinion this
is normal in New York. Sloan House is close to two different subway
lines and Soho, Greenwich Village and Chinatown lies within walking
distance.
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From: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: cigarette butts
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:13:55 EST
Reply-To: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


LB>Hmm, I'd almost be willing to generalize that all smokers are litterbugs.
LB>(Regardless of nationality).  Why is it that cigarette butts can't be
LB>thrown in wastecans (after making sure the fire is out, of course)?
LB>I do not smoke, but am not particularly anti-smoking.  But I HATE seeing
LB>cigarette butts everywhere.  I wonder if this doesn't enter into the
LB>anti-smoking crusade?

Speaking as an ex-smoker who once started a small fire in a wastecan
with a cigarette butt that I thought was well and truly out, it doesn't
work!

- Stephanie.
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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:08:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:

>It has been my experience when travelling abroad that the majority 
>of American tourists are loud, obtrusive and selfish. They are at their 
>worst in large tour groups, but individuals and families can be almost as 
>bad. They appear to have no consideration for fellow tourists and the locals 
>whose lands they are visiting. 

I see some people still tend to put classes of people under a single umbrella
and judge all of them by a few examples.  Next I assume you'll want separate
bathrooms for Americans?  Maybe have them ride in the rear cars on trains?

I have a hard time believing you've met "most Americans" traveling abroad,
since it would seem that they would try to avoid your company.

If you consider this a flame, I would have to agree with you.

Larry Jewell

-- 
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#"Sunday's horoscope is noteworthy because of its strange, sudden and wholly#
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From: leynette@systech.com (Leynette Wissinger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: What to do and see in Hong Kong.
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:54:41 GMT
Organization: Systech Corporation, San Diego

In article <1992Aug24.085347.20877@actrix.gen.nz> keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) writes:
>As this will be my first visit I would like some ideas on what not to miss.

Go eat dimsum for lunch.  It's great.  When I was there 2 years ago we
ate dimsum everyday.

>
>Suggestions from a friend recently there is to visit a large market (Stanley?)
>on Hong Kong Island. Apparent it has a good selection of silk etc.

Yes, take the double-decker bus and go to Stanley Market.  I purchased *lots*
of silk (especially raw silk) clothing there.   Check out the night market
on the Kowloon side too.


Have fun -
...leynette
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From: reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Pacific Heights, Calif.-Good & Bad?
Date: 3 Sep 1992 22:47:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: darlo

In article <duck.715545696@well.sf.ca.us> duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston) writes:
>
>My California atlas doesn't list a town by the name of Pacific
>Heights.  Where is it, exactly?

Pacific Heights is a really expensive yuppie area of San Francisco with
big victorian homes.  It is above the marina and safe from earthquakes.

--reno
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Mongolia: Information sought
Keywords: Mongolia
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:36:14 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


Specifically, I would like to hear from those who have travelled there
within the last 4-5 years. Since the list is likely to be small I prefer
email reply, upon which I can ask detailed questions.

Thanks,
bala
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: rbs@uk.ac.ed.aisb (Robert Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:58:44 GMT
	<1992Aug31.134741.13471@sinix.UUCP>
	<1992Sep1.010611.21679@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp>
Reply-To: rbs@aisb.ed.ac.uk
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland


In article <1992Sep1.010611.21679@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp> andy@nff.ncl.Omron.Co.Jp (Andy Krantz) writes:

   Note: "It is the sqeeky cogs that gets the oil." You notice and remember the 
   people who stick out in a crowd. 

I believe that in Japan they have a saying that goes something like:

"The nail that sticks out gets hammered".

This may explain the differences in behaviour between the American
and Japanese package toursist (or it may not).


--
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From: ceby313@chpc.utexas.edu (Andre Nogueira)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Brazil travel question
Summary: No problem gointo Brazil. Nice places are recommended.
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:37:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.brazil
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC




Please, tell your friends that they shouldn't fear going to Brazil as a 
result of its political situation. The recent shamefull events are taking
place within the law and order (that our president did not follow).

Brazil is a huge country with a geographical area greater than the 
mainland USA, and Brazil's capital (Brazilia) is at the center of the
country, far away from places of interests of tourist.

A warning though. I would avoid big cities like Rio de Janeiro and
Sao Paulo, due to the urban violence that exists there, as is common
in any large city around the world.

Good places to go are the medium cities in the northeast coast where 
people are most friendly and warm, the beachs are beautifull with
blue water and nices hotels. And, by the way, much cheaper to go than
to good hotels in Rio.

Here are some nice places in the Northeast coast that my wife and I 
have gone and recommend: 
   * Porto Seguro: a nice small city at the south of the State of Bahia,
     (you can go by plane from Salvador, the State Capital),
     the most beautifull beach I have ever been, full of hotels, from
     the humble ones to the most lavish.
   * Natal: capital of the State of Rio Grande do Norte, nice beachs like
     Ponta Negra.
   * Joao Pessoa, Fortaleza and Salvador  are other cities woth going to.

Our regards and we hope they have a good time there.

Andre Nogueira and Marcia Nogueira
The University of Texas at Austin
ceby313@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu
From: ce398@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Richmeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Kauai - Hawaii hotel phone number needed!
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:30:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Help!  I need the telephone number of the Princeville Hotel which is
located on northern Kauai.  Please don't confuse this with the hotel
Colony Cliffs at Princeville.  Also, any good info on Kauai would be 
appreciated.  Thanks in Advance!

     Joe R.

-- 

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 INTERNET: rambo!jr9283@texbell.sbc.com   
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Newsgroups: rec.travel

This has probably come up before, but I recently subscribed to this notesfile,
so does anyone know of courier/delivery services which give you cheap fares to
Asia in exchange for your baggage allowance? I'm thinking of a SF <--> Hong
Kong trip.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Eurail pass costs?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:02:54 GMT

Hi

Some friends of mine are coming over to Europe for one month, They'll be 
visiting Germany, Belgium, Holland and England. What will the cost of a 
Eurail pass be? Is it the best alternative?

Appreciated.
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From: dhg@sinix.UUCP (David Griffith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:03:45 GMT
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.

In article <1992Aug31.134741.13471@sinix.UUCP> ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone) writes:
>
>Besides, Americans enjoy themselves and are used to being free to express 
>themselves.  Unlike many of the people I meet in Europe <I live here>,
>Americans are not used to acting like scared, repressed sheep.  

Nobody looking? Good... Baaaa!
Newsgroups: rec.travel