From: gmartin@b-cpu.UUCP (George Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc
Subject: More answers on Holocaust questions.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 23:28:17 PDT
Organization: Banished CPU, +1(503) 232-6566

I will post my comments between the "????????????????".
 
 
 
 
Post: 8714 of 8905
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Where is B-CPU, you ask?
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:24:52 GMT
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
 
If anyone had doubts as to what B-CPU represents, yesterday they
published a long pamphlet distributed by the racist organization
NAAWP (they also gave the address of the NAAWP office in Louisiana
where one has to write to get that pamphlet).
 
B-CPU represents, and does commercial advertising for, neo-nazi and
racist hate groups.
 
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B-CPU does as it says, it will post anything by anyone or any
organization.  They would put any information, that Zionist or Jewish
groups submit, into their library for anyone to access.
Of course, you call anyone or anything that doesn't go into spasms of
estacy when Israel is mentioned, a Neo-Nazi or racist.  Aside from
that, every organization or group, has something to say that is true.
It's up to the individual to determine what is and what isn't.
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-Danny Keren.
 
 
 
Post: 271 of 274
From: ees2as@ee.surrey.ac.uk (A Shafarenko)
Newsgroups:
alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.resear
ch,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:18:48 GMT
<1992Apr6.185923.29906@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Reply-To: ees2as@ee.surrey.ac.uk (A Shafarenko)
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England
 
In article <gate.Be5RiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph
Winston) writes...
[stuff del]
>     Of course, when one considers that only 2.9% of the population
>controls the mass media in America it's easy to see why we can develop
>a policy that is in direct contradiction to the best interests of
97.1%
>of the American people. When one learns the real masters of the media,
>many things begin to fall into place and become clear.  The flood of
>movies, TV docudramas, news stories, books, and magazine articles
about
>the Holocaust makes perfect sense. Perhaps they can convince the
>American people to put Israel's interests over our own, and certainly,
>it immunizes them from serious opposition to their control of the
>media.
>
 
Alas, America! I thought you were a country of a free and clever
people, a people that prefer death to being enslaved. A people who are
smart enough not to be tricked by anyone. A sound pragmatic sort of
people with stable values and views.
 
NO, YOU ARE NOT!!! Ralph opened my eyes. You, Americans, are perfect
idiots with feeble brains that can be washed by anyone! A miserable
handful of Jews have washed all your brains out, have penetrated your
instable psyche amd have turned all of you into JEWISH SLAVES! YOU ARE
BEING MANIPULATED!!  SOS!!!
Through your TV screens they preached jewdaism 24 hours a day. And you,
poor brainless Americans, silly worms, haven't noticed you are
permanently being indoctrinated by them. Simple guys, you're gonna lose
all you have unless you listen to clever ones. Ralph is the clever one.
He thinks for you, he looks after you. HE IS YOUR MESSIAH! Ralf the
Savior!!! He has identified the danger and rushed to your rescue. You,
ass holes, still don't appreciate...
 
-----------
 
Now, seriously. Is the paragraph above offensive to the citizens of the
U.S.A.?
Surely it is. What Mr Winston and like people say is EXACTLY AS
OFFENSIVE TO AMERICANS but simply less overt. Theories like his are
based on only one important presumption: a minority of clever but
dishonest and revengeful bastards are arranging a conspiracy (they are
clever!) against simple honest (but stupid) guys, the majority, who
aren't clever enough to recognize the plot but should rather be warned
of the danger.
 
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You really are on the right track.  But the real answer is not that the
American people are any more stupid than the English (after all, they
are in the same boat), it is because they are refused the chance to
listen to the other side of the story.  How can anyone make a informed
decision if one can not examine both viewpoints?
The only thing we can deduct from this is that the Zionists consider
the public to be TOO smart.  Because they realise they would catch on
if they were allowed to examine both sides.
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Come on, facts aside, is it not purely, hilariously ridiculous to think
Americans are like that?
 
Is it not more plausible that Mr R Winston and Co are just brainless
bigots?
And that nobody ever has to look at his 'evidence' to find out what he
is?
Do we need a discussion?
 
By the way, if someone comes and says everybody has a microscopic
computer inside controlled by extra-terrestrial aliens, will you
discuss the issue and look at the evidence or will you rather refer
your opponent to a psychiatrist straight away?
 
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I would listen to his evidence before sending him away.  After all,
someone once said that disease was caused by tiny organisms that we can
not see.  What a nut, how can something you can't see hurt you?
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Post what you think,
 
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Thanks, I did.
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--Alex
Standard disclaimer.
 
 
 
 
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: B-CPU's Definition of Zionism
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:29:26 GMT
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
 
A few people have asked why B-CPU is reffered to as an antisemitic hate
organization, while it claims to be only against Zionists, and not
Jews.
 
There is no meaning to the term "Zionists" when used by B-CPU, or
the neo-nazi white supremacist hate groups they advertise on the net.
They define as a "Zionist" anyone who does not agree with them. It
is a thin veil to "Jewish". Remember the "many, many innocent Jews
will be crushed" - Jews, not Zionists.
 
 
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As I said earlier, you are the one calling names.
I didn't post the "...innocent Jews..." statement, but it seems hard to
believe why so many of you can't get the meaning right. He doesn't call
the innocent Jews "Zionist" because in contrast to the Zionists (who
will surely be crushed), the "innocent" Jews (which includes nearly all
of them) will suffer for something they are innocent of.  After all,
they get all of their information from the same sources the rest of us
do.
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I remember "Ralph Winston" calling someone who didn't agree with him "a
lying, sadistic, self- pitying, sado-masochistic Zionist". That person
has never wrote *anything* regrading Zionism, or Israel, or Judaism.
"Zionists" is a term B-CPU uses because open antisemitism is looked
upon with disgust, but "anti-Zionism" is more acceptable.
 
 
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Do you remember calling him a "Neo-Nazi and Anti-Semitic?"
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
 
B-CPU members do not hate *only* Jews. They have been flooding the
net with propaganda distributed by the NAAWP, a racist organization
that calls for "relocation" of Jews, Blacks, Orientals and other
minorities. The intent of these people is first to get the Jews,
and then the rest of the "undesirbles".
 
 
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I don't understand how you can say all B-CPU members hate anyone, let
alone Jews, Blacks, Orientals, etc..  I don't believe you can find any
statements made by anyone on B-CPU that insinuates that accusation.
Except, of course, your paranoid beliefs.
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B-CPU is repeating the Nazi propaganda of pre-WW2, while replacing
"Zionists" for Jews (except when they forget). A typical example -
recently, when asked why a team of Polish experts rejected the
conclusion of a revisionist hoax that tried to prove people were
not gassed to death in Auschwitz, "George Martin" of B-CPU answered
"Poland needs money to rebuild its country, and the Zionists control
a lot of international banking". Accept for the absurdity in that
statement, note how it resembles the old Nazi propaganda of
how Jews rule world banking.
 
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Everything the Nazis said was not false.
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In a recent post, B-CPU protested the fact that they are not allowed
to publish in a computer magazine in Portland, because they distribute
articles denying the Holocaust as well as articles "dealing with
explosives". Everyone should make his own interpretation as to
what we are dealing with here.
 
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B-CPU will let anyone post on their library.  Someone posted some
information on explosives.  Nothing that could not be found in any
library. Just because someone reads about explosives doesn't mean they
will blow up the world.  I don't know how many times I have seen how to
break into a car or house shown on TV.  I didn't rush out and do the
same, just because I was shown how to do it. Possibly you consider
yourself too affected by such information?
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
B-CPU and the IHR keep claiming that the Holocaust story was inventend
by the "Zionists". Those who think this is true, might want to take
a look at the following:
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Cocnlusions of the Anglo-American committee for studying the Nazi
genocide inflicted on the Jews of Europe, country by country:
 
Germany -        195,000
Austria -        53,000
Czechoslovakia - 255,000
Denmark -        1,500
France -         140,000
Belgium -        57,000
Luxemburg -      3,000
Norway -         1,000
Holland -        120,000
Italy -          20,000
Jugoslavia -     64,000
Greece -         64,000
Bulgaria -       5,000
Rumania -        530,000
Hungary -        200,000
Poland -         3,271,000
USSR -           1,050,000
 
Less dispersed refugees (308,000)
 
Total number of Jews that were exterminated = 5,721,500.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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Minus the 3 million just erased from Auschwitz= 2,721,500, and more to
come.
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Two comments:
 
1) Some estimates are lower, some are higher. But non come close to the
   absurd figure the IHR is trying to sell - something like a million,
   or less.
 
2) Note the relatively "small" number of victims in Germany. This is
   because Germany didn't have that many Jews in the first place, and
   many fled because of persecutions and pogroms before the war
   started. The Holocaust revisionists try to take advantage
   of that point, by mentioning the number of Jews in Germany, and
   asking "if Germany had such a small number of Jews, where does the
   six million figure come from?". A typical cheap trick.
 
 
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Whoever said comment #2?  I didn't.  A typical cheap trick.
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
 
-Danny Keren.
 
 
 
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Anti-Semites" are Jew-haters: True, but show the
relevence.
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:50:16 GMT
References:
<1992Apr10.163932.20381@cs.ucla.edu>,<1992Apr11.114940.18207@acsu.buffa
lo.edu>
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
 
In article <1992Apr11.114940.18207@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.163932.20381@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@cs.ucla.edu
writes...
>>"Anti-Semite" is a far too polite, euphemistic way to refer
>>to Nazis like "Ralph Winston"/"Pete Faust". He/she/it is a
>>Jew-hater who dreams of being a Jew-killer.
>
>       I've never seen any words by these individuals that indicate
>       they are "anti-Semite"s.  As far as I can read, they are
>       against zionism and only question the validity of historic
>       events. Where's the sin?
>
>  And I think anyone who knows about Judaism, the religion, and
>       Zionism, a movement based on nationality, knows that they can
>       be mutually exclusive (but aren't necessarily).
>
>       I've met Zionist, of Jewish origin (of course!), that emphasize
>       the nationality over the religion. And in my opinion, that's
>       the  err.
 
You aren't reading very closely.  The group believes that the Holocaust
didn't happen, contrary to the believe of the entire academic
community,
and governments, museums, etc.  They believe that the Jews have lied
about this for 50 years, and are powerful enough to get the governments
of Poland, German, US, Russia, etc to go along with it.
If the events didn't happen, then there has to be an explanation why
the whole world believes it does; and this is where the anti-Semitism
comes in.
 
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Anti-Semitic, Anti-Semitic, is that all you can say to get your views
across?  As I have said before, if I knock the mafia, I am not anti-
Italian.  Does that mean the mafia is a great bunch of guys?
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
 
They also post stuff saying that the Jews control the media.
They refer to all Jews as Zionists, whether they are or not.
 
 
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Nice to know you are a mind reader and can tell us all what other
people mean when they use a specific word.  Two can play the same game.
I think you mean "very intelligent and observant person" when you use
the term Anti-Semitic.
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Also, they are affiliated with other groups, and share membership and
resources with groups that are openly white-supremicist and anti-
Semitic.  (KKK, Nazi parties, etc.).
 
 
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I can tell you are getting your information from the JDL. You should
look at where the "facts" you are reading are coming from. I think they
are just a little biased.
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The Duke Department of History says that the IHR is not doing what
academics recognize as historical revisioinism; they have no
credibility anywhere in any academic circle.  The Duke History
Department says that the purpose of what the IHR does is not to 'set
the record straight' on a historical event, but to portray Jews as
lying about this, and controlling the world for the Jews own purposes.
 
So the Duke Department of History (I posted the ad earlier) says that
this has nothing to do with history, but is intended to hurt and defame
Jews.
 
 
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Not 'THE' Duke Department of History?  The definitive answer to all
questions!  Just who is the Duke Department of History?  One person?
Two persons?  They possibly could not be biased in any way could they?
Have they ever studied any thing the IHR has put out?  NO, I am sure.
Or possibly they are caving in to the JDL pressure.
???????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
 
It's very sophisticated anti-Semitic propaganda that looks like
academic scholarship.  But it's anti-Semitic propaganda nonetheless.
 
 
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Maybe it looks like academic scholarship because it is.
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>>What is the origin of the word "Anti-Semite" anyway?
>>It sounds like it must have been invented by a Jew-hater.
>
>       Or an Arab hater.
 
No.  It was invented in the 19th century to refer to Jew-hatred, and
has been used as such since then.
 
People who hate Arabs are racist, and should be condemned for that.
Maybe that kind of hatred requires a new word.
 
 
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Maybe people who hate people who try to set the historic record
straight should have a name also.
???????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
 
>       -Ismail
 
Leon Gross
 
 
 
From: jade.apisukh@f330.n363.z1.fidonet.org (jade apisukh)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:54:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/330
 
 
 >      Germans and we of German descent are sons and daughters
 > of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Wagner, Haydn,
 > Handel, Humperdinck, Johann and Richard Strauss, Berg,
 > Webern, Hindemith, Schnittke, Goethe, Schiller, Kant, Hegel,
 > Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, ad infinitum.  We have not gassed (a
 > new dimension in inhumanity) and do not gas people...any
 > people.  Those who knowingly claim we did, knowing we did not
 > (THE TRUE WAR CRIMINALS), are being ensnared by THE UNTIRING
 > ARM OF HISTORY.
 
I can see it in tomorrows headlines:
 
HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED!  TWELVE *MILLION* PEOPLE MISSING!
 
The holocaust was real.  Six million Jewish people, plus six more
million don't just disappear.  I'm sorry, the Nazi party during WWII
obviously killed those twelve million people in gas chambers, and other
methods. People don't disappear.
 
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12 million DIDN'T disappear. The ones that did die, can mostly be
accounted for.  The missing few don't add up to that many.  None died
in gas chambers.
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later,
jade.
 
--
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
"Of all the things I've lost, it's my mind I miss the most."
 
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I could say something about the last sentence, but I won't.
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        jade apisukh  -  via FidoNet Node: 1:363/42
             UUCP:  -  ...tarpit!alfred!business!330!jade.apisukh
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Enough for now,
 
George Martin

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