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From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:09:53 GMT
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Victoria Neff (vln@icpsr.umich.edu) wrote:

: If the purpose of the AKC is to "promote purebred dogs", then I think allowing
: people to compete in obedience with mutts (not said in a disparaging way)
: would work just fine.  Most people who get bitten with the obedience bug
: have VERY definite ideas about what they want in their next dog, and most
: often they would get a purebred dog next!

: Another goal of the AKC is supposed to be promoting responsible dog ownership,
: and obedience training is certainly responsible -- so why not let all dogs
: compete, even if the person never DOES get a purebred dog?  Let the person
: show proof that the dog is neutered (what could be more responsible than
: that?), and let them compete!

Cat clubs do just that.  There are special classes for non-pedigreed/non
show quality cats.  They compete in the Household Pet (HHP) division. 
Three of the four US registries will register them, allowing them to
compete for their own titles.  

This gets people into showing without having to go out and buy a show
show quality purebred.  At many shows, HHP is one of the biggest divisions.  

HHP classes are judged on merit (condition of the cat) and on the judges'
preferences.  

There are also classed for show quality, neutered cats.  I know that the
basis for conformation classes is to select breeding stock, but seeing
more animals from the same or similar breedings is also useful in breeding
programs.  Classes for alters gets these cats into the judging and gives
you more comparisons.  It also gives the owners of retired breeding cats a
chance to show them.

Karen
From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Skin diseases and lamb/rice foods
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:46:01 GMT
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego
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We have an 8 year old female black lab mix who's had recurring skin problems
over the last few years. The vet says it's the canine equivalent of psoriasis
and also says that this type of thing is not uncommon in dogs of her breed.
The symptoms are that her skin gets flaky and itchy and she begins to stink
even shortly after getting bathed. We've tried a variety of shampoos and food
additives with differing degrees of success (the problem seems to come and go
but no particular treatment has been completely successful). Just recently
the vet recommended that we switch to a lamb & rice dog food. We typically
feed her Iams and have since she was a puppy. I have 2 questions-

1) Does anyone have any personal experiences that this type of dog food is 
   of any real help for this condition?

2) There was some discussion in this newsgroup recently about lamb/rice foods
   and the fact that lamb hair was in some. Iams was mentioned but it was never
   obvious to me whether Iams was being critized or recommended as ok. Can
   someone clear this up for me?


Thanks for your help.

Jim Napier
UC San Diego
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Is there grass that will survive dogs? (Was: Loose dogs)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:02:19 GMT

In article <2B60843B.2767@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
= In <C1A1sy.5M7@portal.hq.videocart.com> mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Tony Scott) writes:
= 
= >In article <1993Jan21.175144.7575@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
= >>
= >>
= >>But do remember that the dog(s) will almost certainly kill all or
= >>most of the grass inside if they spend much time there.  And don't
= >>forget that they will need some exercize in addition to the little
= >>that they will do while confined.
= 
= >Speaking of which.  Our back yard lawn is about 70% bare where our dogs go.
= >I was going to look into getting some sort of "super-grass" for that area.
= >Does anybody know if *any* natural grass can live in a dog run or is the
= >only choice Astro turf?
= >(..or as some wackos around here have  s lawns, concrete painted green...)
= 
= I have heard that gypsum applied to grass helps with dog urine.  This
= is found in _Plants are People Too_; but I've not heard from anyone
= who's actually tried it...

I hadn't even thought about the urine problem when I posted that
comment--I was thinking of the paths that they wear in the lawn.  I
sometimes think that horses would be easier on the grass--and I
wouldn't have to mow!  :)


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
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From: lars.hougaard@rose.com (lars hougaard)
Subject: How old before runnin
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:08:03 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-27-93 19:03

How old should a dog (in this case a Alaskan Malamute) be before you 
start running with it. 
Nikita is currently 6 month old and about the size of a horse (well... 
a SMALL horse, then).

I wouldn't start running with the dog for the benefit of the both of 
us, but I seem to remember somebody here stating you shouldn't run 
with young dogs. 

Rgds...Lars (gaining weight) H.
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From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: South Bay dog obedience classes?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:24:43 GMT

I'm looking for recommendations for good dog obedience classes in the
South Bay (I live in Milpitas, work at Stanford, so anywhere from,
say, Menlo Park to San Jose to Fremont would be good).

I'm looking for small classes (definately under 10, 5 is great).  No
using treats as rewards.  I want a trainer who is flexible enough to
adjust the training to the handlers' and dogs' abilities (also why I
want a small class).

Pointers to good female instructers especially solicited as my dog is
*extremely* fearful of most men (and small children) and this could
hamper effective training.  If male, I would want them to meet me and
my dog before I hand over my money for a whole training series.  My
dog is a male German shepherd/collie mix about a year-old, and was found
abandoned on the street around 5 months-old.

So, if anyone out there has been pleased with an obedience class
they've attended, please tell me about it.

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
From: nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy Little)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Older dog training
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:50:15 GMT
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Distribution: usa
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1993Jan24.213722.8749@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>, jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (john hopper) writes:
|> I took in a stray dog last year after having no luck locating
|> his previous owners.  He's about 5 years old, extremely sweet/well
|> behaved, and a mix of chow and something else (no one has a good 
|> guess of the other half). 
|> 
|> Does anyone have any good references/suffestions on training older dogs?  Most
|> of what I've found only deal with puppies and don't give any special
|> attention to older dogs.  Or is training an older dog basically the same?

Carol Benjamin's "Second Hand Dog" is an excellent book.

|> He has no behavior problems, but I would like to train him to the point 
|> where he will listen  to me when he's not on the leash.  He tends to have 
|> a mind of his own off the leash and I worry about him wandering too close 
|> to the road etc.  I'm certain that 90% of this is actually training me, but
|> I need a good reference.  (I cannot afford to go to a trainer, so that is not
|> an option).  

|> 
|> 
|> ---
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|> 	      	PHONE:  914-365-8627
|> 	    	FAX:    914-365-0718
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Take him to a qualified Obedience instructor.  If you can't afford the 
$60 to $75 (usually 8-10 weeks) you probably can't afford to have a dog.
Obedience classes have many distractions that will teach your dog to
ignore as you work with him.  Please reconsider...

Remember that there are many, many, unqualified obedience instructors.
I recommend going to the various schools and watching the classes
before you attend.  If the school doesn't allow visitors, don't
register for class.  If you are comfortable with the method of training
after watching an instructor during class, then and only then register
for the class.  Many people will call around town and get the
best price for dog training classes and find themselves in a situation
that is uncomfortable to them.  

Nancy Gagliardi Little                    nancyl@ems.cdc.com

Home of:
    Am/Can O.T.Ch. Bergman Blacky WCX (Damien - Labrador) 
    O.T.Ch. Tystar Cruise Control TDI HC, Can CD (Cruiser - Border Collie)
    Heelalong Sharp As A Tack UD (Tack - Border Collie)
    Maggie UD (Labrador)

From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:13:22 GMT
Subject: Re: How about owning 2 dogs of different sizes?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Shouldn't matter as far as I can see....

We have an Irish Setter, and a Sheltie.  The male Sheltie is 1 yr older
and is dominant over the female Setter.

They get along great.

In general, it's recommended to avoid getting 2 males-- we did not listen
and our 1st Setter was male.  There was a lot of fighting at first -- much
more violent than the normal dominance-stuff.  They finally became friends,
and then the Setter's kidneys failed and we had to put him down.  Big
heartbreak.  But when we went to get another dog, we found a female Setter
to adopt.  The difference in how quickly they bonded was DRAMATIC.

Good luck!!!

Diane
From: FAC_TODD@WSC.COLORADO.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: sub
Date: 21 Jan 1993 11:10:16 -0600
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From: ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:01:13 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1993Jan24.165006.14903@lut.ac.uk>, M.S.Wileman1@lut.ac.uk writes:
> There's nothing I can do with my tissue-eating dog, he eats them like there's 
> no tommorrow.   The funny thing is, he will only eat *used* tissues.  Ones
> that you've stuck in your ear, or blown your nose on.   He won't go near 
> one that is still in the box, or is unused...is that a disgusting habit,
> or *what*?  ;-)

Wow, it seems like my week....

Nikita, our Siberian Husky, is exactly the same. She chews 
nothing in the house (now that she's not a puppy), EXCEPT  used 
tissues. She rips those apart in no time.

DDJ
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From: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Clipping nails
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 

.AL> My German Shepard Trixie also has a MAJOR fear of touching her nails   .
.AL> for clipping or the vet touching her ears. Poor girl! It is truly      .
.AL> a struggle to keep a 110 lb German Shepard in line during a clip!      .
.............................................................................

I have heard that an easy way of controlling the dogs instead of
holding them down is to lift them up. By them being suspended in
the air you are able to control them. Don't know how accurate that
info is but I wish I had heard of it when I had to clip my first
dog's nails.<g>
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From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:08:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Tails'n'Ears WAS Flame?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

>I can't say that I have a strong opinion regarding ears and tails (except  
>that I like a Dobie "with ears").  But I'm wondering....if you understand
>why dewclaws are removed, why not tails?  Working spaniel breeders dock
>the tail about half way to the body for the same reason as removing
>dewclaws -- to prevent tail injuries that don't heal well.  I personally
>think that if you're not working your dog, you shouldn't dock the tail; 
>but if you are, then I don't see a problem with doing it.   Perhaps, 
>instead of laying down hard and fast "rules," we should approach this
>from a situational point of view, exhibiting something that might be
>becoming lost in our society -- tolerance?
>
>schalene
>
>----------
>
Well, I'm going to put in my 2 cents here also.  I agree with what Schalene
says here.  If there is a good reason to crop tails/ears like there seems
to be for dewclaws, then by all means they should be clipped (EARLY!).
If the dogs will be working dogs or such, then maybe there are good reasons
for some of this cropping.  However, if the dog is a show dog (and not 
working) or a pet, etc. I feel it is unnecessary and shouldn't really be
done.  This is NOT meant as flame by any means!  My main gripe is with
the breed standards for 'pushing' people to get the cropping done by
taking points off and such.  I believe cropped/un-cropped should be 
judeged the same, giving the owners of 'show' dogs more an option on
whether this is needed for practical purposes.

Just an opinion....
Kim Krattiger
From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Do you french your dog?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:24:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:

>Just curious, does everyone else french their dog(s)?  If not,
>how do you avoid it?  When we get our morning wake-up maul, it's
>hard to avoid the tongue.

>--kyler

I must confess I have always frenched my dogs (but only my own). It
started when I was a kid and had a very affectionate Old English. Zeppo,
the Wonder Bouvier, is not generally effusive but he goes wild for my
mouth. What can I say? I love the way dogs smell and feel and everything,
and I love it when they love me. My wife does not indulge, but does not
begrudge me. The only downside so far is that my gums can get a little raw
if Zeppo is feeling particularly affectionate.

Polymorphously Perverse,


Steven
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kmurphy@nrao.edu (Kim Murphy)
Subject: Re: Need some advice (possible new dog)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:05:40 GMT

Jamie J Ferguson <kkv@inel.gov> writes:

> bark constantly.  You also will need to consider your climate
> when looking for a breed since the dog will be outside so
> much -- like you probably don't want a husky if you live in 
> Arizona.  It will also depend on what sort of kennel you build.

Just thought I'd mention that we used to live in Arizona with a husky.
They do fine in the climate.  I'll admit that during the summer he
preferred the air conditioned house, but he had no real problems being
left outside.  That coat of theirs is a wonderful insulator from the
heat as well as the cold.  In fact, I think he did better in the
Arizona heat than the Virginia mug.

Kim Murphy
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:37:48 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
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In article <1993Jan21.155006.27219@unislc.uucp> abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck) writes:

>I can see no reason not to let mixed breeds compete, as long as
>they're neutered, just like the other ILP dogs.

I agree.

If the purpose of the AKC is to "promote purebred dogs", then I think allowing
people to compete in obedience with mutts (not said in a disparaging way)
would work just fine.  Most people who get bitten with the obedience bug
have VERY definite ideas about what they want in their next dog, and most
often they would get a purebred dog next!

Another goal of the AKC is supposed to be promoting responsible dog ownership,
and obedience training is certainly responsible -- so why not let all dogs
compete, even if the person never DOES get a purebred dog?  Let the person
show proof that the dog is neutered (what could be more responsible than
that?), and let them compete!
From: ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Hot spices and dogs (was Re: Chinooks available
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:50:24 GMT
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <C18v98.KD1@hatch.socal.com>, richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg) writes:
> Some dogs can be trained to not steal food by leaving some
> crackers with a bit of butter and chilli powder on it on the
> counter for them to steal.  Works with most dogs, but chinooks
> actually like the hot chilli.

Nikita, our Siberian Husky, gained the nickname "Teararoundist" 
from her combo of tearing around and being a terrorist. Re the 
latter, when she was a teething puppy she would chew on everyone 
and anyone if you were not playing some kind of tugging game.

We tried everthing to discourage her chewing on people and read 
that one surefire solution was to rub tabasco sauce on her gums 
and scold her. 

Into our array of hot sauces I went and awaited Nikita's next 
onslaught. Sure enough she started chewing on me, out came the 
tobasco sauce and on her gums it went. She licked her 'lips' once 
or twice and proceeded to come after the tobasco sauce sniffing 
away in her food hog-mode.

So much for that idea. (Nikita eventually outgrew this habbit, 
just as all the books said she would).

Doug.
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From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: pre-owned greyhounds
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:02:02 GMT

  I guess I was wordy in my last post so I'll try again to get more to
the point. My wife, 5 year-old son and I are interested in used
greyhounds - retired racers. We have heard that they are good with
kids, well behaved etc. We have some concerns about my wife's possible
allergy ( she says greyhounds don't provoke allergic reactions too
much she could and would deal with it - she used to have a golder
retriever and loved it )

  Any advice would be appreciated.


                                Jerry Freedman,Jr
From: kaufmanj@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (We're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Iams Lamb & Rice -- F or F...RESULTS
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:05:57 EST
Distribution: world

In article <9301180340.AA2235@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org>, CHITA_CAZARES@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
> Gads, I feed Iams Lamb and Rice too. I'll check into the rumors you've
> mentioned and upload what I find. Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't
> heard a thing.
>  
> I do hope you've stopped feeding this until you find out what's up?
> What does the vet say?
> --- FMail 0.92
>  * Origin: Hillcrest Community BBS of San Diego..619-291-0544 HST (1:202/703)

Well, the word is back.  My vet spoke with Iams and they say they have not 
changed the lamb & rice formula.  Of course, there was no comment on the 
law suits, but I didn't expect any.  After further examination, it seems that
my old boy has a severe bacterial infection (source unknown), and is on
cephalexin for probably 3 weeks or more.  He does appear to be getting better.
At least he isn't itching like he was before.  We are keeping our fingers
crossed!

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Allen-Bradley Co.			 9.50 yr Terrier/sheltie male - Wolfe
Highland Heights, Ohio			 9.00 yr Keeshond male - Bere
                             AND         1.50 yr Akita female - Storm
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From: posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church)
Subject: Westminster..Crufts
Keywords: Westminster
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:01:26 GMT


MARGET...A GIFT FOR ME!!..I CAN HARDLY WAIT TO SEE YOU AT
WESTMINSTER!

I just found your post after returning home from jolly
old England where I attended the Crufts dog show.  I
highly recommend it for all you Netters out there.

The English run their shows quite differently than they
do here in the States...especially their class dogs and
bitches (how about a Post Graduate Dog/Bitch??!) 

The Best In Show and the Reserve Best in Show were two
beautiful Irish dogs..namely a Setter for BIS and a
Wolfhound for RBIS.

See you at Westminster!
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:26:57 -0500 
From: "Joanne M. Karohl" <jk13+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: co-ownership-how does it work?
	<1993Jan19.194245.4964@newshost.lanl.gov>

Obedience-competitor hopefuls should be aware that if any dog owned *or*
co-owned by you earns a CD, you are no longer eligible for the Novice A
class, and similarly for CDX/Open A.  This is true whether *you*
actually showed the dog or not;  my husband and I have had to consider
this since we would both like the chance to show in the non-competitive
classes at some point!  As it is, I "own" our dog, and Randy plans to
"own" the next dog.

Joanne
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From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: new(?) halter (was Re: choke chain opinions)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:28:06 GMT

I just picked up a new kind of halter (Sporin? - can't remember, but I'll check
when I get home) for Greta yesterday.  It uses a standard-type collar plus a
line that goes around each front leg.  This line is attached to the lead so
that when the dog pulls it's legs are pinched a bit.  QUITE effective.

When we got to the store a big (owner-described "hard pulling") GSD was there
trying out one of these halters.  It didn't pull much at all.  Greta was
scampering about a bit, though, so we tried one too.  She just stopped pulling.

I have yet to walk her with it, but I plan to give a report.  I'm considering
it for biking, but I'm not sure it's _that_ safe.

--kyler
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