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From: holly@verdix.com (Holly Isaak)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,or.general
Subject: Re: Home Security Systems
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:58:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: verdix.9204
Reply-To: holly@verdix.com (Holly Isaak)
Distribution: or
Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR

In article <9203@verdix.verdix.com> I wrote:
>
>
>I may have bought a home security system tonight.  I have until Wednesday 
>to decide yeah or neah.  If the kind folk in netland could assist me in 
>this process, it would be greatly appreciated!
>
>Any opinions, suggestions and comments are welcome.  E-mail me and if
>the response warrants, I will post a summary.
>  [plus other stuff]

Thanks to Andrew Klossner, Dorsie Hathaway, Bob Heath, Alan Peterman,
and Scott Peterson for their quick response and good advice!

General consensis is that I was getting soaked.  

Starting at 9 AM this morning I started calling and found out a few things.  

  1)  I am not the only one that is getting hooked by this group.
  2)  One person reported that there was an attempted break-in soon
      after declining their kind offer.  (I was thrilled to hear that!)
  3)  I called the number for the company and  found that it had been 
      disconnected.
  4)  The BBB has a file on this company but, since it was only started
      in June of this year, it is empty.
  5)  On recommendation of the BBB, I called the Contractor's Board of
      Oregon to get the companies phone number.  Since they do installations,
      they must be registered.  They weren't.

I sent of all the cancellation paperwork, stopped payment on the check, and
will be registering a complaint with the BBB.  Hopefully it will be the end
of that.  Now I remember why I don't buy anything!

After all this, I would like to send out a warning to one and all to beware of 
this group.  It looks like they are hitting alot of the elderly but they are
getting younger people as well.  
  
Thanks.

--Holly
From: johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Re: Techbooks
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:51:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: forthd.78.2ad6dff1
Reply-To: johnl@espace
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Fourth Dimension, Portland OR

In article <1992Oct8.025745.1314@techbook.com>, jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
> Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Oct8.025745.1314
> Lines: 29
> 
> johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert) writes:
> 
>>I tried to send mail to my account at Techbooks & it bounced back. I guess
>>I no longer have an account there.  I tried to dial in there & no answer...
>>Anyone know what's up?
> 
>>(Is this newsgroup pdx.forsale or pdx.general - it's hard to tell....)
> 
> You apparently have an account on PDaXs, where mail can be sent to
> "username@techbook.com".
> 
> You don't have now, nor have you ever, an account on techbook.com.  
> 
> They are not the same.  Mail to jamesd@pdaxs.techbook.com is <NOT> the
> same as mail to jamesd@techbook.com.  

  My mistake.

> 
> If you are having problems, there are help files and local groups on PDaXs
> itself for support as well as the "feedback" command and the traditional 
> letter to the sysop.  There's a phone number given on the first screen to 
> call for help.  Plus we send out instructions to people who give us a
> valid address.  We mailed that out to you on 8/11/92.
> 
> So why are you posting to city-wide newsgroups?

  Because the modem wouldn't answer.

> 
> --
> jamesd@techbook.COM    Voice: +1 503 223-4245 <---- NOT a modem #
> PDaXs gives free access to news & mail. (503) 220-0636 - 1200/2400, N81  
> We've been giving accounts to anyone the law allows.  
> Obviously.
-- 
 John Lebert                              Internet: johnl@espace  
 Fourth Dimension                     Modem (9600): (503)236-5068 
 Portland, OR                                Voice: (503)234-4364 
              *May I be excused?  My brain is full.*

                Press CTRL-ALT-DEL to continue....
From: michaelj@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Michael Anthony Juliana)
Newsgroups: tek.wanted,tek.general,pdx.general
Subject: Canning Jars
Keywords: canning
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:06:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7253
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: pdx

If anybody has any wide-mouth quart canning jars (or any others for
that matter) that they would like to get rid of, please
let me know.

Thanks,
Mike Juliana

wk: 627-4609
hm: 684-4992
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: kenw@protocol.com (Ken West)
Subject: I need a remodeler, any recommendations?
Summary: Looking for a good remodeler.
Keywords: remodeler, contractor
Organization: Protocol Systems, Incorporated
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:12:59 GMT

	I'm looking at glassing in a porch and finishing
off a basement hobby room.  Does anybody have any recommendations
for a good Portland area remodeler.  Also, anybody I should
avoid like the plague?

Thanks.

Ken West

phone 642-9597 (home)
From: cmo@pogo.wv.tek.com (Christine Olsen)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: plumber, electrician
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:55:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13742
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

Could somebody recommend a plumber and an electrician?
Please reply via email: cmo@pogo.wv.tek.com


Thanks!


Christine
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: rick@eaglet.rain.com (Rick Lindsley)
Subject: Firewood recommendations?
Organization: Eaglet Software
Distribution: pdx
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:21:32 GMT

I'm looking to get a half to a full cord of firewood, preferably non-pine or
fir. Alder or maple would be nice. Anyway, can anyone recommend a place to
go? If you have a rough idea of their prices that's even better. Thanks
mucho.

Rick
From: dlc@gasco.uucp (Darci L. Chapman)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Re: Wood
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:27:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Oct12.232736.17890
Distribution: or
Organization: Northwest Natural Gas, Portland, OR

In article <1992Oct9.000201.6364@scic.intel.com>, donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson) writes:
> I live in Timber. I get my wood from the guy at the Rocket
> Gas Station in Buxton...where 26 meets 47 (that goes out toward
> Vernonia). 

(Hi, Donita! :-)

He's a good guy, too; helped me out last winter when I needed wood.
However, the going rate to get wood delivered and stacked in
Vernonia is $75-90 so I'll probably go more local :-)


  Darci L. Chapman    \   Northwest Natural Gas   /   Honor Diversity
   X Window Systems    \    Portland, Oregon     /   Not Bigotry
    Consultant          \    dlc@gasco.com      /   Vote NO on Measure 9
 
"The outside of a horse is good for the inside of a man or a woman." W. Rogers
From: bieley@Reed.Edu (B. Jonathan Bieley)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: NeXT User Group Meeting
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:57:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct15.045742.6416
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Hi all,
	The meeting is:
	
	October 22nd	October 22nd	October 22nd	October 22nd
	
	Thursday, at 6:30 PM, at Reed College, in the Vollum College  
Center. Please note the date. (Please feel free to forward this on, and to  
send me other addresses for people to include them in my mailings. Thanks)
	
Agenda:
	- NeXTStep 3.0: overview of changes for users.
	- Cub'X: the premier X-Windows package for NeXT, being
		 demonstrated by Interactive Technologies, the
		 NorthAmerican distributor of Cub'X and the new
		 Portland NeXT reseller (yes, a NeXT reseller in 
		 Portland).
	- ElectroFile: a top of the line document management product 
		with an very competitive price. We will be seeing the 
		brand new version 2.0 to this very popular product. 
		Insigght Software is a local Portland firm and will 
		be showing all of the features of ElectroFile, 
		including scanning at 20+ pages per min and OCR using 
		the Xerox ScanWorks technology. Trust me, this is a 
		totally cool product and is quite affordable.
	- Executor: the Macintosh emulator. We will be showing 
		Microsoft Word and Excel. We will also be looking at 
		how well Executor plays in the NeXT environment, 
		especially file compatibility. This is an important 
		product and it has been well recieved.
		
	Please come out to this meeting. Much has occured in the NeXT  
market since the last meeting, some time ago. NeXT has release NeXTStep  
3.0 with user interface modifications, more use of color, an improved from  
the ground up Interface Builder (more way cool than ever), added 3-D  
rendering into the operating system and more. Also the first NeXTWorld  
Expo was held, and event that drew many quiet developers out into the  
open. There has been a massive explosion of apps for the NeXT and we will  
have NeXT third party catalogs on hand. Also, NeXT has shipped the first  
ever Object Catalog detailing the Objective C objects that are available,  
both commercialy and for free. This is a major step and is very tangible  
proof of NeXT's object-oriented approach to both operating system and user  
application design. This object catalog puts NeXT years ahead of  
PowerOpen, Solaris, or Windows NT. Come see why the industry is following  
NeXT.
	Portland now has a NeXT reseller, located in Beaverton. They are  
great team of guys with very extensive backgrounds in computer sales,  
integration, custom software design, and mainframes. Honest, these guys  
are good. Come meet them. (more formal grand openings will follow soon)
	So, just as a reminder, the meeting is
	
		******** October 22nd **************
Thursday, at 6:30 PM, at Reed College, in the Vollum College Center.
Please let me know if you need directions. 
There will be food.

-----------------
Jon Bieley
President
Portland NeXT Users Group
bieley@reed.edu
From: gordonr@pogo.wv.tek.com (Gordon Roth)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: tandy printer dmp105 info
Keywords: info
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:42:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13753
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

hello, does anyone know if the tandy printer DMP105
can do near quality printing ?
And if it can, do you know what the software command 
is to get it to do this ?

Best would be if someone has a manual on this tandy
dmp105 printer I could copy
a page of two out of.

thankyou
gordon roth
From: donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Correction on the WOOD
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:05:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: scic.1992Oct9.000541.6564
Distribution: or
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR

Correction:  He charges $115 to deliver it.



(sorry....)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: jkrakover@sma2.rain.com (jonathan)
Subject: Re: Techbooks
Organization: Guns for Peace
Distribution: pdx
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 05:30:52 GMT

In article <72.2ad0a9c2@forthd.uucp> johnl@espace writes:
>I tried to send mail to my account at Techbooks & it bounced back. I guess
>I no longer have an account there.  I tried to dial in there & no answer...
>Anyone know what's up?
>
>(Is this newsgroup pdx.forsale or pdx.general - it's hard to tell....)
>
>-- 
> John Lebert                              Internet: johnl@espace  
> Fourth Dimension                     Modem (9600): (503)236-5068 
> Portland, OR                                Voice: (503)234-4364 
>              *May I be excused?  My brain is full.*
>
>                Press CTRL-ALT-DEL to continue....

TechBooks got a new number---220-0636, but don't be to excited about calling
it.  The system was changed to a slower computer AND I MEAN SSSLLLOOOWWWW.
Try 5+ MINUTES (no joke) between when you enter a command and the computer
responds.  Oh well.
Jonathan
From: cliffc@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Clifford E Cummings)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Re: Insurance suggestions?
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:49:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7255
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <Bvvr65.36J@pgroup.com> jrm@pgroup.com (John R Mudd) writes:
>I've recently moved to the Portland area.  Does anybody have any
>recommendations/warnings on companies/agents for auto and renter's
>insurance?  Thanks.  Send mail; I'll summarize for those who want
>a copy.

I highly recommend Bob Flagel, with Allstate Insurance Co.

Bob Flagel
Koll Business Center
10110 S.W. Nimbus, Suite B-12
Portland, OR 97223
620-7620

My cars and house have all been insured through Bob since I moved
here in 1984. Bob is very cost sensitive and has always worked 
with me to get excellent rates.

Two years ago, my wife rolled our van in Washington state, two 
hours from here. The Allstate insurance adjusters in Washington
screwed-up. The vehicle was declared "totaled", then it was
declared "fixable". Allstate spent $4,000 to fix the van in
Washington, but when I got it back, there were still problems. 

I drove it back to Beaverton and called Bob Flagel. Bob had me
take it to Beaverton Auto Body where another $1,500 worth of
repairs were performed just to take care of obvious problems and 
get me back on the road. Vern McCall, the shop manager at 
Beaverton Auto Body called Bob Flagel and Alan Littlefield (the 
local Allstate Insurance adjuster), and explained to them that 
the roof of my van needed to be removed and the van body 
re-straightened. Vern also explained that the original repair 
work performed in Washington might make it impossible to ever 
completely restore the van to manufacturers specifications.

After the above assessment, Bob and Alan made arrangements to have
my van "totaled". And I was paid $15,600 for a two-year-old van
that I had purchased for $17,000. I was very pleased. And since 
then I have noticed no increase in my premiums (perhaps because 
I had been a customer for five years?)

My above experience showed me that it's not good enough to have 
a good insurance company, but you also need a good insurance 
agent. Bob has always made me feel like his whole livelihood 
depends on my satisfaction, even though I know darn-well that my 
business amounts to only a small piece of his success. 

Typical disclaimer: I don't work for, or get kick-backs from, any 
of these guys. I'm just a very satisfied and grateful customer.

Regards - Cliff Cummings - 

Highest recommendations for:
============================
Bob Flagel - Local Allstate Insurance Agent
Alan Littlefield - Local Allstate Insurance adjuster
Vern McCall & Beaverton Auto Body - for professional auto body
            repair and an honest assessment which helped me to 
	    secure a fair settlement on a poorly repaired van.
From: scurr@pdxgp3 (Randy Scurr)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: none
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:21:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ichips.1992Oct9.192154.27294
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division


testit
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: marjorie@armon.rain.com (Marjorie Panditji)
Subject: New Indian restaurant in Beaverton
Summary: Restaurant name is Swagat, 626-3000, 4325 SW 109th
Keywords: restaurant, Indian
Organization: Armon Public Access Unix System -- Portland, OR, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:16:02 GMT

What's the scoop:

There is a new Indian restaurant called Swagat that serves
great food at reasonable prices.  They even have some South
Indian specialties, such as their South Indian Combo--Masala Dosa,
Urad Wada, Idli, Sambar, and chutneys.  They have a lunch buffet
on the weekend, $5.95 for all you can eat.  As in most Indian
restaurants, there are a lot of vegetarian choices.

What's my angle:

No, I'm not a part owner or even a relative.  I just want them
to stay in business (the last Indian restaurant in Beaverton
went out of business).  So, what do I get out of this?  Well,
they are only minutes from my house and I love Indian food.

How to get there, hours, etc.:

Their address is 4325 SW 109th Street, phone # 626-3000.
They are in Beaverton, just off of Beaverton-Hillsdale Highway.
It's east of Hwy 217, near the Target mall (there's a Macheesmo
Mouse and a TCBY in the mall).  You can't see the place from the main
road, but they have a small sign set up along Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy
(on the sidewalk) that you can look for to see where to turn.  109th
connects Beaverton-Hillsdale and Canyon Road.  They're open 7 days a
week, I think the hours are 11 to 11.

Marjorie Panditji
marjorie_j_panditji@ccm.hf.intel.com


for.
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From: johne@or.credence.com (John Ewing)
Subject: Where did TECHbooks go?
Organization: Credence Systems Corp. Beaverton, OR
Distribution: pdx
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:50:42 GMT

Excuse me if this subject has been discussed before, but where has TECHbooks
(formally in downtown Beaverton, one block off of Farmington) vanished to?

Is it still around?

Thanks ...

John Ewing (johne@or.credence.com)
Newsgroups: pdx.music,pdx.general
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: *Comprehensive* record store?
Organization: Organization
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:10:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.091121.7507@reed.edu> bthompso@reed.edu (Benjamin Thompson) writes:
>
>I'm really getting fet up with 2nd Ave.  Don't get me wrong, they
>stock some things that no one else can even get there hands on.  But
>It really irks me that I can't browse, or order an album without
>trouble.  Is there something comparable to Tower Records here in PDX ?
>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


  Well, there is Tower Records, which should be comparable.
From: davids@enky.uucp (David S)
Newsgroups: pdx.test
Subject: test
Keywords: none
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:33:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: enky.1992Oct13.003340.22468
Organization: Enky's

this is a test.
From: Arno_Bosse@next.com (Arno Bosse)
Newsgroups: pdx.test
Subject: hello world
Keywords: word, hello
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:53:24 GMT
Reply-To: abosse@reed.edu

Once there was a moo cow..

aka testing testing...

Newsgroups: pdx.test
From: rick@eaglet.rain.com (Rick Lindsley)
Subject: test msg
Organization: Eaglet Software
Distribution: pdx
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:13:04 GMT

test
From: sm@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (scott machaffie)
Newsgroups: pdx.games
Subject: ShadownrunII in Beaverton
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:59:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6195
Distribution: pdx

I'm going to run a 2nd edition Shadowrun game in Beaverton (if I can get
enough players).  Beginners (to role-playing games or shadowrun) are
welcome.  Shadowrun (for those who don't know) is set in the future ~50
years.  Magic works and technology has provided us with cyberware &
the Matrix (world-wide computer network).  If you're interested, let
me know.

scott
Newsgroups: pdx.computing,pdx.general
From: jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser)
Subject: Re: Linux / BSD386 Fans?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: pdx
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:43:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.180136.15570@atlastele.com> morganh@atlastele.com (Morgan Hall) writes:
>
>Are there any others in the Portland area interested in exploring the world
>of free/low-cost unix clones?
>
>I have Linux up an running, haven't tried BSD386 yet.
>
>Looking for others to swap sw/ horror stories, bounce ideas, etc.

I have also been playing around with Linux. I have MCC-interim 0.97pl2,
H.J. Lu's 0.98 root and base disks available on my BBS, The Digital
Amateur 359-5111. I'm also in the progress of getting the latest
SLS set from tsx-11. Unfortunately, I'm only running at 2400 baud.
The SupraFaxModem is waiting for a new serial card.

Got the MCC system up and running with virtually no problems, but
have been waging war with the HJL setup all weekend. I think I've
got it going now, but had a couple of scares as my MS-DOS partition
has already been trashed by my inept fingers. Looks pretty good. Wish
I had a VGA card that supported X. Ah, well maybe soon.
-- 
Jerry Gaiser                         NO on 9
         Usenet: jerryg@ssd.intel.com
        Fidonet: 1:105/380
           PBBS: n7pwf@n7pwf.or.usa.na
Newsgroups: pdx.computing
From: bieley@Reed.Edu (B. Jonathan Bieley)
Subject: NeXT User Group Meeting
Keywords: NeXT User Group NeXTStep 3.0 Mac X-Windows
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:57:22 GMT

Hi all,
	The meeting is:
	
	October 22nd	October 22nd	October 22nd	October 22nd
	
	Thursday, at 6:30 PM, at Reed College, in the Vollum College  
Center. Please note the date. (Please feel free to forward this on, and to  
send me other addresses for people to include them in my mailings. Thanks)
	
Agenda:
	- NeXTStep 3.0: overview of changes for users.
	- Cub'X: the premier X-Windows package for NeXT, being
		 demonstrated by Interactive Technologies, the
		 NorthAmerican distributor of Cub'X and the new
		 Portland NeXT reseller (yes, a NeXT reseller in 
		 Portland).
	- ElectroFile: a top of the line document management product 
		with an very competitive price. We will be seeing the 
		brand new version 2.0 to this very popular product. 
		Insigght Software is a local Portland firm and will 
		be showing all of the features of ElectroFile, 
		including scanning at 20+ pages per min and OCR using 
		the Xerox ScanWorks technology. Trust me, this is a 
		totally cool product and is quite affordable.
	- Executor: the Macintosh emulator. We will be showing 
		Microsoft Word and Excel. We will also be looking at 
		how well Executor plays in the NeXT environment, 
		especially file compatibility. This is an important 
		product and it has been well recieved.
		
	Please come out to this meeting. Much has occured in the NeXT  
market since the last meeting, some time ago. NeXT has release NeXTStep  
3.0 with user interface modifications, more use of color, an improved from  
the ground up Interface Builder (more way cool than ever), added 3-D  
rendering into the operating system and more. Also the first NeXTWorld  
Expo was held, and event that drew many quiet developers out into the  
open. There has been a massive explosion of apps for the NeXT and we will  
have NeXT third party catalogs on hand. Also, NeXT has shipped the first  
ever Object Catalog detailing the Objective C objects that are available,  
both commercialy and for free. This is a major step and is very tangible  
proof of NeXT's object-oriented approach to both operating system and user  
application design. This object catalog puts NeXT years ahead of  
PowerOpen, Solaris, or Windows NT. Come see why the industry is following  
NeXT.
	Portland now has a NeXT reseller, located in Beaverton. They are  
great team of guys with very extensive backgrounds in computer sales,  
integration, custom software design, and mainframes. Honest, these guys  
are good. Come meet them. (more formal grand openings will follow soon)
	So, just as a reminder, the meeting is
	
		******** October 22nd **************
Thursday, at 6:30 PM, at Reed College, in the Vollum College Center.
Please let me know if you need directions. 
There will be food.

-----------------
Jon Bieley
President
Portland NeXT Users Group
bieley@reed.edu
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From: brians@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: pdx.computing,pdx.general
Subject: Re: Linux / BSD386 Fans?
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:18:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6213
Distribution: pdx

I have 386BSD running on two systems and have happily junked my System V
distribution.  It is GREAT!  I have NFS, TCP/IP, SL/IP, and X all running
happily.

Brian
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From: morganh@atlastele.com (Morgan Hall)
Newsgroups: pdx.computing,pdx.general
Subject: Linux / BSD386 Fans?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:01:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlastel.1992Oct8.180136.15570
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.


Are there any others in the Portland area interested in exploring the world
of free/low-cost unix clones?

I have Linux up an running, haven't tried BSD386 yet.

Looking for others to swap sw/ horror stories, bounce ideas, etc.

Morgan
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