HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kadie@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: [news.admin] Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:18:20 GMT

kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>[A repost of an article related to an alledged ban of _High Times_ in
>Canada. Anyone know the real story? - Carl]

I have a conjecture (which I will try to present in such a way that no
one thinks I am bashing a county other than my own):

In the U.S., international films and speakers have been stopped at the
border for political reasons under the theory that since the film
makers/speakers are not U.S. citizens or in the U.S. they have no
right to freedom of speech. Maybe Canada uses a similar rational.

BTW, I hate this rationalization because supposes a right to speech
without a corresponding right to listen. I think these two rights are
two sides of the same coin. Applying this theory elsewhere, a
government could permit anyone to critize the government while
prohibiting anyone else of listening.

- Carl

-- 
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: Rmgroup/newgroup policies (Was: Re: Offensive Newsgroup)
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:16:07 GMT
Keywords: newsgroups, creation, removal

> >What's the problem?  I leave automatic newgroups enabled, because I want
> >the genuine groups to be created instantly

chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) writes:

> You obviously don't remember one fine morning a couple of years ago, when
> BIFF(TM) (particularly irked by something), decided to send out 75 or so
> newgroups...

I remember it.

news$ locknews
news system locked by you
newslockednews$ gnue active
^[>^@^U75^P^W^X^S^X^C
newslockednews$ ^D
news$ ^D
fitz$

So what's the big deal?  It's far easier to do this once a month for the
bogus groups, than to do an "addgroup" a couple of times a week for all the
legitimate groups, and still have valid groups go into junk because I
wasn't fast enough.

-- 
Tom Fitzgerald   Wang Labs       fitz@wang.com   "I went to the universe today;
1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: NetNews/CD - USENET News Available
Newsgroups: news.admin
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:54:49 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <5006@tuegate.tue.nl>, gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal) wrote:
> In article <1992Aug9.163704.24665@lth.se> bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson) writes:
> >>over a satellite link.  USENET isn't a CD-rom sold as the
> >>'best of USENET', but I'm a bit fuzzy on CD-rom. If it's really
> >                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>ONLY propagation, fine.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Errmmm...  it gets a bit awkward here - the CD service *is* a
> blanket unselected service (apart from  couple of groups they're
> afraid to include) - *but* they do include a 'Netgems' CD of
> comp.sources.unix etc archives & the GNU stuff.

Sounds like you get your choice of two different feeds: one that's
pretty much full, and one that's restricted to comp.sources.*
(roughly). So what's the problem?

	<mike
From: dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Crosspost misbehavior (was: Posting to moderated and unmoderated groups)
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:37:12 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Aug12.172153.4436@lucy.ee.und.ac.za> barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett) writes:
>
>If multiple copies go out then the people who read several of the affected
>groups will encounter several copies of the message and will be annoyed by
>the extra copies.  If one crossposted copy goes out then the people who
>read several of the affected groups will read only one copy of the message
>(unless their software is deficient in its handling of crossposts).

Our site is afflicted with this behavior, and I wonder if there is some way
to get around it.  We are using fairly mainstream software:

  Cnews
  trn
  NNTP

and crossposted messages are always presented to the reader multiple
times.  My assumption is that the NNTP server is the cause of this
braindamage.  Can someone confirm or deny the following hypotheses:

 * It is a configuration problem - Cnews/trn/NNTP work fine at other
   sites.

 * It is a known problem with all NNTP-based newsreaders, and there is
   no way to work around it.

 * It is a known problem, but newer or upcoming releases of NNTP, or
   {trn | rn | xrn | xvnews | nn | ??} will fix it.

Thanks for any advice.

-- 
   Dave Kemp   dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The use of history as therapy means the corruption of history as history."
    -- Arthur Schlesinger          (quote stolen from Chet Ramey, CWRU)
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez)
Subject: sharing newsgroups conducted in Spanish
Originator: erodrigu@werken
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:51:17 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion
Keywords: spanish newsgroups 


This message is directed to all news administrators that want to interchange
newgroups in which Spanish is the official language.

The University of Chile is interested in sharing newsgroups conducted in 
Spanish.  If you are interested in having access to the University of Chile
newgroups, and allowing the University of Chile to access your own newsgroups, 
please send me mail.

Thanks a lot.

edo...

Eduardo Rodriguez S        - --- - --- - --- -    erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl
Dpto de Ciencias de la Computacion  - --- -    ...!uunet!uchdcc!erodrigu
Universidad de Chile   --- - --- - ---   erodrigu%uchdcc@uchcecvm.BITNET
- --- - --- - --- - --- - --- - --- - --- - --- - --- - --- - --- - --- 
Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.config
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: new groups
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:04:30 GMT

gsl2598> == gsl2598  <gsl2598@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> 

 gsl2598> I saw a post about how to create rec groups, etc.., but how
 gsl2598> would I create an alt. group?  It seems like there are a lot
 gsl2598> of bogus groups out there, so it shouldn't be too hard...

The usual procedure is to discuss it in alt.config, and if you don't get
flamed, then create it (or have someone create it for you [this is
abridged of course :])

 gsl2598> (The group I would like to create, alt.games.car.wars is legit.)

PLEASE, folks, use - to separate words; . is for separating levels of a
hierarchy.  If you were also going to have an alt.games.car.parcheesi or
whatever, then it would make sense.

So try alt.games.car-wars instead.

 gsl2598> Anyone care to help me/squash me in the dirt ?

I think it's a perfectly reasonable idea, so I'm cross-posting this to
alt.config and aiming followups, so you can do this right.
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
            ``Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ti Kwan Leep.
            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
Xref: sparky news.admin:7151 comp.org.eff.talk:5450 misc.legal.computing:1980
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj@alice.att.com, curmudgeon and clueless white boy)
Newsgroups: news.admin,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal.computing
Subject: Re: Why we need a "Copyright: " field (was: Re: NetNews/CD . . .)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:03:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23480
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com, curmudgeon and clueless white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Aug18.135323.29297@progress.com> leary@progress.COM (James Leary) writes:
>The idea out here that messages should somehow be scanned and determine
>what the intent on reproduction and use of the message by the author
>is pie-in-the-sky and unworkable.  That, plainly, is not the intent
>of this or for that matter, any other public computer network.

First, this isn't a public network.  How can you even think
of making that claim?

Second, of the posters I know, nobody has asked the run of the
mill site to do anything other that act like they always would.
Run of the mill sites, it has been said time and time again,
include public access sites, commercial timeshare sites, and
the like, but do people listen?  Noooooo. Then they think they've
found some basic flaw when you point it out to them. 

Their expectations are simply that sites that aren't run of the
mill go to some effort.  That's an entirely reasonable request,
and one that must by law be obeyed.  All the uninformed blathering
on implied consent ignores the fact posting to USENET does not
imply any non-typical use.  The entire first flame war (which
I avoided until people started making false claims that 
USENET is "public domain" material) on CD-Rom was over whether
or not CD-Rom was "typical" or should become typical.


The only thing that some of us MUST do is to prevent misuse that
goes beyond the limits of USENET.  Now various people have
been flaming about "what is USENET".  All their flames
don't even confuse the issue.  This network has a strong
and well-established history.

What some people argue is effectively that anyone who gets
a news feed is USENET, even if it's the NY Times (not that they
would) and if all articles went directly to newsprint and out
to be sold on the street.  That's the FACT of what many people
propose, and it's simply silly.

I particularly had to laugh when some poor dweeb claimed that
"alt" was part of USENET.  It was created specifically because
it was NOT part of USENET.  Learn the facts before you flame
away, guy.
-- 
 Bush    *Copyright alice!jj 1992, all rights reserved, except transmission
   vs       *by USENET and like facilities granted.      Said permission is
 Clinton  --    *granted only for complete copies that include this notice.
 Just Say !NO!       *Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: USENet defined, one easy lesson...
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:49:03 GMT
Organization: negligable

In which case, copyright infringment attributed to the copying
from machine to machine can not exist, because the USENET is now
a virtual entity, defined only by it's heirarchy and naming
conventions.....

(Actually, I consider that even using my definition, we could
negate this particular type of charge by considering the USENET
network as a "virtual location"...)

			-Richard Hartman
			hartman@uLogic.COM

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I think.  I think I am.  Therefore ... I *am*!  (I think....)

Newsgroups: news.admin
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Top 25 News Submitters by Site by Kbytes for the last 2 weeks
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:31:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.214627.23220@anasazi.com> rusty@anasazi.com (Rusty Carruth) writes:
>(Hope I got the newsgroup right, if not I apoligize!)

>In article <1992Aug9.033018.1098@uunet.uu.net> newsstats@uunet.UU.NET writes:
  [ news stats deleted ]

>Is some site somewhere (probably upstream from me only :-) no longer 
>carrying any of the alt.binaries tree?

I don't know. I don't carry any of the alt.binaries groups. Are you downstream
from me? 

Try looking at a Path: header from one of the articles on your site, and start
working backwards from the end sending mail to the postmaster at each site,
asking them if they carry it. 

-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
Hestons' First Law: I qualify virtually everything I say.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Non-compliant articles, week ending 16 August 92
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:44:09 GMT

         Invalid Headers, week ending 16 August 92

    The following is a list of articles which were dropped by the news 
    software here for a non-compliant header.  If a message ID from your 
    site is on this list then your news software may be out of compliance 
    with the RFCs on netnews articles and should be fixed.

Header contains non-header line:
	<tuc.27-92221-Aug08s@anomaly>
		`s@anomaly> <tuc.18-92221-Aug08s@anomaly> <tuc.19-92221-Au...'
	<tuc.31-92221-Aug08s@anomaly>
		`s@anomaly> <tuc.18-92221-Aug08s@anomaly> <tuc.19-92221-Au...'
	<tuc.32-92221-Aug08s@anomaly>
		`s@anomaly> <tuc.18-92221-Aug08s@anomaly> <tuc.19-92221-Au...'
	<tuc.33-92221-Aug08s@anomaly>
		`s@anomaly> <tuc.18-92221-Aug08s@anomaly> <tuc.19-92221-Au...'
	<tuc.34-92221-Aug08s@anomaly>
		`s@anomaly> <tuc.18-92221-Aug08s@anomaly> <tuc.19-92221-Au...'
	<71231@apple.Apple.COM> `Distribution:'
	<1992Aug10.145419.8235@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
		`Summary:Available Pets'
	<1992Aug11.071238.12962@lclark.edu> `Sender:drlarson@lclark.edu'
	<41280@ogicse.ogi.edu> `References:'
	<5085@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> `References:'
	<36720@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> `Sender:Denah'
	<36721@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>
		`References:<168396881.JHartley@cmsa.gmr.com>'
	<10951@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> `Distribution:world'
	<85870@netnews.upenn.edu> `Keywords:'
	<133063@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
		`References:<2A83507C.28642@ics.uci.edu> <1683FC091.X005CB...'
	<133399@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
		`References:<julian.713658134@sfu.ca> <1992Aug13.172710.37...'
	<133419@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
		`References:<88437@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> <133402@lll-winken.L...'
	<8543@amsaa-cleo.brl.mil> `Summary:Omitted version'
	<400@bit.UUCP> `Followup-To:'

Newsgroup list contains white space:
	<1992Aug10.144917.4759@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>
		`rec.games.video, alt.games.lynx'
	<1992Aug10.145529.4948@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>
		`alt.games.lynx, rec.games.video'
	<1992Aug14.165553.3623@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
		`misc.consumers, misc.forsale'

No @ in Message ID:
	<4421330831071992.A00535.RHEA.1167FA1F2D00> 
	<70354111802991.767161.MRX*> 
	<C8D95728UKWANG...................> 
	<C8D95728UKWANG...................> 

No Subject or empty Subject:
	<1992Aug10.220131.25420@eng.ufl.edu> 

No Date or unparsable Date:
	<9208142300.AA04622@naic.edu> `Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:00:50-040'
	<12.2A86F90D@toadnet.org> `Sun, 10 Aug92   8:15:00 CDT'
	<16.2A8982F3@toadnet.org> `Tue, 12 Aug92   8:57:00 CST'
	<18.2A89F969@toadnet.org> `Tue, 12 Aug92   2:46:00 CDT'
	<19.2A89F969@toadnet.org> `Tue, 12 Aug92   3:10:00 CDT'
	<22.2A8B6BCF@toadnet.org> `Thu, 14 Aug92   3:09:00 CDT'
	<24.2A8CA377@toadnet.org> `Fri, 15 Aug92   1:25:00 CDT'
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Rmgroup/newgroup policies (Was: Re: Offensive Newsgroup)
Keywords: newsgroups, creation, removal
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:32:17 GMT
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <BsxE13.Gvw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Paul-Pomes@uiuc.edu writes:
>It has to be more that a fascinating topic for a few people to justify 
>carrying at our site.  Allowing every newgroup becomes the death of a
>thousand cuts for adequate free space.  There is no group too ridiculous
>to not have a noisy cadre of supporters (alt.food.mcdonalds, 
>alt.fan.john-palmer, etc).  Removing a group is a lot more trouble than
>controlling its creation.

Since you don't control traffic flow with newgroups or rmgroups, but with
sys files, what possible relevance could that have?
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Copyright Deposit Unconstitutional? (was: The Great Floating ...)
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:36:41 GMT
 <1992Aug6.134722.6166@panix.com> <206@ulogic.UUCP> <1992Aug11.205128.17268@ils.nwu.edu>

In <1992Aug11.205128.17268@ils.nwu.edu> mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy) writes:

>Sorry.  The U.S. Constitution, according to article V is "the supreme law
>of the land".  I believe that it has been established that Congress may not
>"give away" a power given to it by the Constitution (Con Law was a while
>ago, so maybe I am wrong...), so the only way to prevent Congress from
>deciding to do whatever it wants to regarding copyrights and patents is by
>changing the Constitution.  Last time I checked there was no such amendment
>pending...

Actually the Constitution and signed and ratified treaties are "the supreme law
of the land".  There has been some question of whether a treaty can
actually override the Constitution, but the general concensus is that it
can.
--
Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea
216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
Our news system is unstable; if you want to be sure I see a post, mail it.
From: alan@ssd.ukpoit.co.uk (Alan Barclay)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Rmgroup/newgroup policies (Was: Re: Offensive Newsgroup)
Keywords: newsgroups, creation, removal
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:06:58 GMT
Organization: iT - The Information Technology Business Of The Post Office

In article <BsxE13.Gvw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Paul-Pomes@uiuc.edu writes:
>waugh@rtpnet05.rtp.dg.com (Matthew Waugh) writes:
>
>>First of all, one person's dreck is another persons fascinating topic.
>
>thousand cuts for adequate free space.  There is no group too ridiculous
>to not have a noisy cadre of supporters (alt.food.mcdonalds, 
>

What better reason is there for carrying a group, other than people on
your site wish to read it?
-- 
Alan Barclay, iT, Barker Lane, CHESTERFIELD, S40 1DY, Derbys, England 
alan@ukpoit.uucp, ..!uknet!ukpoit!alan, FAX:+44 246214353, VOICE:+44 246214261
iT - The Information Technology Business     | explist now set to 3 days.
Of The Post Office : In Tune With Technology | Anyone got a 1.2 Gig disk?
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.software.b,news.software.readers
From: jaf@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (J Anthony Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: "Newsgroup-info" command for news software
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:31:46 GMT

In article <k&21H1!$19@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>
>Sure there is.  The texts posted to news.answers are crossposted to their
>respective newsgroups of interest.  Simply search the headers for the
>newsgroup name.  As far as being out of space, one reason for news.answers
>is that it makes it easy for the news admin to extend the expiration
>date for FAQ's and the like.

Another option which it allows is what we've done here at UofNB.  The 
articles posted to news.answers, news.announce.newusers and clari.net.newusers
are also available under gopher.  A script checks once a day for any new
articles in those newsgroups and creates links to them in a directory available
to the gopher server.  The script generates titles based on the subject line
of the articles so that the gopher client has a fairly good idea whether a
particular article is the one the client wants.

If you have a gopher client available you can see how it looks by connecting
to the server at  jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (port 70)  and selecting the UseNet
FAQ listings entry.
-- 
J. Anthony Fitzgerald    jaf@UNB.ca	(506) 453-4573
Computing Services  UofNB  Box 4400	(506) 453-3590  (FAX)
Fredericton, NB,  CANADA,  E3B 5A3
Newsgroups: news.admin,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal.computing
From: leary@progress.COM (James Leary)
Subject: Re: Why we need a "Copyright: " field (was: Re: NetNews/CD . . .)
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:00:36 GMT

mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:

>bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson) writes:
>> 
>> The newsstand analogy isn't that bad. If you demand that an
>> article of yours sent to a magazine shouldn't be distributed to certain
>> newsstands, then your article may have to be refused.

>Yes, but the person who wants to do the redistributing refuses the article,
>not the author.

>If I send an article to a magazine saying it shouldn't be distributed to
>certain newsstands, the magazine has to accept my conditions or reject the
>article.  They aren't allowed to say "Oh, well, you sent it to us, so you
>must be consenting to our redistributing it in the way we do our other
>articles".

>Similarly, I do not believe that submitting an article to Usenet implies any
>consent to anything.  There's certainly no contract of any sort, no
>agreement.  The newsgroups are filled with people who have no idea how large
>Usenet is in geographical terms, so how can they have consented to having
>their articles distributed to places they didn't even know existed?

It is called implied consent, Mathew.  An individual would have to be
incredibly naive to assume that a post can be selectively sent to sites
of their choosing; it is not how the net works.  I agree with you on your
point that there is no contract or agreement of any sort, but this works
both ways.  The net is not the place to post messages and articles that
an individual considers a valuable intellectual property and therefore
wishes to place conditions upon its use and duplication.

Jim Leary