From: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: real fascism
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:47:30 EST
Reply-To: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Distribution: talk
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To: Chris Metcalfe

 CM> In defense against the accusation that he lied about
 CM> receiving hate mail from Ira Kaufman he completely ignored
 CM> the issue and did not answer Ira.

Oh lord, I didn't answer Kaufman's message because it was too
ridiculous for words. Most of us understand exactly what "mail"
means, and nearly anyone who doesn't share "Ira's" fanaticism
will recognize his messages for what they are. On nearly every
net and online service except Usenet his hyper-abusive messages
would have gotten him kicked off long ago. How about the term
"hate messages" or "hate communications": will that do?

Ladies and gentlemen, my Ira Kaufman impersonation:

Liar! Anti-Semite! Anti-Semite! Liar! Liar! Liar! Anti-Semite!
Liar! Anti-Semite! Anti-Semitic liar! Lying Anti-Semite!

Now for the passage that seems to disturb you so much:

>Every time that an emotional supporter of Israel raises his or
>her voice against an American citizen in this fashion, they are
>hastening the day when the U.S. will wash its hands of Israel
>altogether.

I think you are sadly out of touch with reality if you don't
realize that this is the plain truth. If you've analyzed any of
the polls, you'll realize that Israel's standing with the
American public is far more precarious than many emotional
pro-Israelists appreciate. A significant majority of Americans,
for instance, opposed the $10 billion dollar loan guarantee for
Israel. A majority of Americans now feel that Israel is more
responsible than the Arabs for blocking a peace settlement. If
the impression continues to take root that Israel is pursuing
expansionist, brutal and discriminatory policies that are
contrary to Western democratic values and American interests, the
U.S. will indeed "wash its hands of Israel altogether." Israel
could sink to about the same level that South Africa currently
enjoys in the esteem of the American public. The current
deportations have only hastened the decline of Israel in the eyes
of the Western democratic world.

If the U.S. refuses to grant lavish aid to South Africa, does
that make the U.S. Nazis? You've got everything backwards, Chris:
the beer garden strains have been emanating from South Africa.
Ditto increasingly for Israel, what with high Israeli officials
in recent years attempting to legitimize mass deportations as a
tool of Israeli policy.

And I can't emphasize too much the enormous damage that abusive
Israeli supporters like our good friend Ira are doing to
U.S.-Israel relations. Every time a militant Israeli supporter
vents his anger or fanaticism on an American, the bonds between
the U.S. and Israel are further weakened. I don't back off from
that assertion an inch. I think the Israeli lobby has alienated
and angered many more powerful people in American public life
than it realizes, especially in the Congress. These people are
not without the means to reply, using precisely the same tools
that the Israeli lobby has used in recent years to work its will.
If a critical mass of Americans gets ticked off at "the lobby,"
it will collapse so quickly it will make your head spin. I think
it's possible that the critical mass has already been reached,
but AIPAC and its friends are too full of themselves and too
blind to understand it.

Any time you want to address a substantive issue, instead of
issuing papal declarations about my credibility, dig in. How
about the deportations: think they were a smart move? Here's Ran
Kisler in Haaretz:

     In soccer, this is called kicking the ball into your own
     net.... In daily life and political life, this has another
     name: stupidity.

Yup.

Wayne
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