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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re:  the video
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.173833.23445@athena.mit.edu> grisha@athena.mit.edu (Grigory Golberg) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.195031.16657@leland.Stanford.EDU> Scot N  Gibson
>writes:
>
>>I really like this show, but I think it would be better
>>with a little more cultural diversity.
>
>Not really. After all, this is much like a soap opera, so diversity
>or no diversity, the authors will find storylines.

I didn't say that they would have any trouble finding storylines
without some cultural diversity; I just said that diversity gives them
more options for storylines.  I could make up a fictitious ant and
make up storylines about him, but they probably wouldn't be very
interesting.  

>>Please don't argue that this "is not realistic" for some reason or
>>other; it may or may not be realistic as far as Beverly Hills is
>>concerned, but who ever said the show was "realistic" in the first
>>place?
>
>Never said that

Oh, I know.  I'm just trying to anticipate any objections (perhaps
your, probably others') before they happen.  That's all.  :)

>>What's stupid about it?  You're just saying that you don't prefer the
>>term.  Others don't prefer other terms.  The term "African-American"
>>is a pretty well accepted, mainstream term.  Just because for some
>>reason you personally don't like it is no reason for you to label it
>>PC and call it a "stupid" term.
>
>O yeah? How mainstream and well accepted is it?
>

It's in common usage here in the Bay Area.  I hear it on the news all
the time.  There's a linguistics class here at Stanford called
"African-American Vernacular English", and it's what most black people
I know call themselves.  I think it's this last point that's most
important.  I'm sure that my perception of the term as mainstream is,
of course, biased by the fact that I live in a fairly open-minded
corner of the country, at least compared with the rest of the country.
But I still don't see any reason why anyone should have any more
problem with the term than they should have with the terms
Asian-American or Italian-American.  

Of course, 'African-American' is just as acceptible as 'black'.  But I
feel that the two terms carry different connotations, culturally.

I can't say that it's mainstream everywhere.  Back in my homestate of
Mississippi, it's not at all, but there are certainly other, more
"colorful" terms that are used there.  

All this from a White boy.  Any African-Americans out there care to
comment?  

>-GG

--scoT

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From: st1y4@jane.uh.edu (Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: music
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:46 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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Who was that singing at the end of the show?

Is that the new song everyone keeps talking about?

I'm clueless...

clue me in, please.



Ann  ~o~


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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: 16 December 1992 - pfffft!
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:31:27 GMT


1) What's the deal with the two angels with the Long Island accents?
2) The bus and the garbage truck.  
3) The wonderful timing where _everyone_ fights with each other, and when  
_everyone_ backs out on Donna.
4) The mysterious professional stage singers on the bus singing "Jingle Bells".
5) The OXFAM pitch by Priestly at the end.

I'll just say I used to be a fan ...

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   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Favorite lines from Heathers
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:18:53 GMT
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Scot N Gibson (prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:

> Heathers is one of my top 10 favorites...
> Favorite line:
> "Dear Diary- My teen angst bullsh*t has a body count."
                                   ^
                          (Star provided by me    - Larry)


Having forced myself to suffer through this thing thinking it must have
some sort of redeeming quality (silly me), here's my favorite line
contribution, from Winona to Shannen:

  "Heather my love, there's a new Sheriff in town."

Why?  Because it was the last line in the movie.  I can't believe I made
it through the whole miserable thing.

I must confess that I did have several gender-specific thoughts about
Winona Ryder.  In fact, I think one of them was a pun on her last name.
I also wish Brenda Walsh could look like Shannen Doherty did in this
movie.


>                                          Brilliant movie.

Really?  In what way(s)?


Larry
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:30:10 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1gs7rvINNb0i@athena.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>Regardless of that, I got the impression that what Rob was referring
>to was the term "California University" which has been used frequently
>on the show to (almost certainly) refer to UCLA, not to UCB, and I was
>saying that no they aren't talking about Berkeley, and no UCLA is
>not like Berkeley.  Heck, UCLA doesn't even have a Naked Guy.

Right-o, Larry, I did mean to say "California University", not U. Of. C.

But I don't think C.U. is UCLA, however.  If you talk about "California
University" in conversation, you'll certainly shorten it to "California"
or "Cal", which (we have agreed) in the real world means UC-Berkeley.
The similarity in name is just too obvious, I think.  In a parallel
case, I think we'd all agree that Steve's constant referral to "SC" must
be USC, right?

But then again, if it were UCLA instead of UCB, and Steve did get into
SC (USC), why then, the gang would all be in the same place next year!
(Except for Ahhhhndrea, but she'll never make it to Yale.  Trust me.)
(Or maybe they'll just write her out.  Hmmm.)

Then again, didn't Doogie Howser's girlfriend go off to Chicago and stay
on the show?  That was about the time I quit my semi-regular viewing...

- Rob Mac K


-- 
*ROB Mac K - The Man, The Myth, The Legend.  As if. ***********************
*        [}uke             1991 National Champions      "Wekickus         *
*          Blue Devils:    1992 National Champions           Sumassus"    *
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From: kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth)
Subject: What is Nikki (sp?)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:28:51 GMT

     Hey, y'all.  I'm new (duh) here, so don't get rough!  I've seen
what happens when a newbie on rec.arts.startrek sends a post and gets
flamed worse than hell for misspelling...so anyway, a couple of
questions, cause I just finally started watching.  Is this the last
season?  it would seem the only thing possible...everyone (I think)
graduating... 
     Second, I caught the "minority" thread just now; I have a
question: Nikki (Brandon's girlfriend, and a *now* one at that) looks
Caucasian, but not totally, like as if she has other ethnic
backgrounds.  Does anyone know anything supporting this about the
actress who plays her (again, sorry about the unfamiliarity with names
but I'll get it after a while)?  Oh, well, idle thought.
     
     Finally, I hope noone reads posts like "Get a life" or "Are you
serious" seriously, or questions their reasons for liking the show
because of those clueless people.  That last guy from NL is
understandable, not really with the BH scene, but for the others, it's
just best to ignore them on the newsgroup and send them 100 coredumps
to their e-mail account.  That is, after you've confirmed that they
actually wrote the message...

     I love the show!!  And I'm a grad CS student at Stanford!!  Oh,
the shame of it! :-)))))))))
     Here's to the end of repeats (although I can use them).

					Kevin Duckworth

Stanford, CA 90210

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From: sweide@uceng.uc.edu (Steven Weide)
Subject: Re: FAVORITE LINE FROM HEATHERS
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:12:39 GMT

There are a multitude of lines in Heathers that are quotable.  It is one of
my favorite movies, and I can do the dialogue almost line for line (God my
friends hate when I do this). 

Anyway, here's just a few of my faves:

"It's your turn Heather."  "No Heather, it's Heather's turn... Heather?"
    		"Sorry Heather."

"Real life sucks losers dry.  If you want to fuck with the eagles, you have
		to learn to fly."

"Fuck me gently with a chainsaw,do I look like Mother Theresa?"

"The extreme always seems to make an impression."

This is Ohio.  If you don't have a brewski in your hand, you might as well 
		be wearing a dress."   (trust me, it's true)

Steve

I'd like to see a nude opera, because when they hit those high notes I bet 
	you can really see it in those genitals.
					Deep Thoughts
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From: ridenour@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lynn Ridenour)
Subject: Re:   the video
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:31:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.192123.23686@athena.mit.edu> grisha@athena.mit.edu (Grigory Golberg) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.203507.19219@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>Scot Gibson writes:
>
>>Of course, 'African-American' is just as acceptible as 'black'.  But I
>>feel that the two terms carry different connotations, culturally.
>
>Would a white citizen of, say, South Africa,
>who moved to USA be considered African American?
>If no, thn why?
>

I asked a friend this same question just this morning!  We basically
decided that "African-American" is a bad term because it identifies
people with a continent rather than a country.  (Mexican-American
makes more sense, but Asian-American is just as bad as Af-Am.)
You never hear the terms "European-American" or "North American-
American."  But I suppose this doesn't solve the question posed
which is what do you call a white South African.  I guess they'd
be called a South African-American (but so would a black South
African. Since African-American is generally used as a
euphemism for "black," I guess the term doesn't make much sense.
Why is it used?  It's fashionable.  Give it a few years and the
terminology will change again.


- Bob  (a European-Dutch-German-North American-American :
        "white" for short.  :)  )
From: shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu (Richard Michael Shindle)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210,alt.tv.90210
Subject: Re: DONNA FINALLY GETS HER DAY!,12/16 show
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:20:15 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

>
>I'm so happy.  Donna finally got a nice, big part.  She deserves it.
>
>Aside from the amazingly annoying "Wonderful Life" spoof, this was
>actually a pretty good show.  The professor guy (never can remember
>his name) looks *really*hot* without his beard.  
>
>Wonder what that cryptic smile that Teasley gave Steve near the end
>meant?  If she lets him out of detention for good behavior, I'll blow.

>p.s. Dylan, get a life!  Choose Kelly!  Pleeeeeeez!

Three things about this week's show:

1) Could Steve change and be a decent guy or was it the Christmas thing.

2) Again I must say, Brenda may be a bitch, she may be whiny, but if you
mute the tv when she is on and just look, God! - What a Babe!

3)But then, Kelly tops even her.

Mike
(shindle@planecrash.berkeley.edu)

P.S> Choose Kelly. Let Brenda go out with Steve.


-- 
It's not love, it's deep seated neurosis. Don't confuse the two.
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:19:07 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Kuz I (ikuz@cs.vu.nl) wrote:
> I've read a whole bunch of postings from people who sound like
> they really think that this is a GOOD show!  Is this  REALLY 
> true?  I don't mean to put anyone down but I find it hard
> to beleive that college students could take the show seriously.

I seem to remember similar statements made about Bach, Hemingway,
Tchaikovsky and Freud, but history is replete with criticism of
great art, music, science and literature by those who couldn't
comprehend its sublimity.  Why stop now?


>                                                              Well here
> in Holland we're still pretty far behind but maybe in the newer 

In more ways than one.

> episodes ( I hope not ) the acting will get better and I'll have
> to find another comedy show to make me laugh.  

Try the local news.


Larry

P.S. I don't mean to put anyone down either!  I guess it just happens.
From: toal-jean@yale.edu (Jean Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Keywords: lux veritas
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:41:01 GMT
Organization: Yale University
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In article <1gorghINNcfe@SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu 
(Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren) writes:

MSW>Hi.
MSW>
MSW>Hey, three cheers for 90210's best-looking brunette!  A few observations.
MSW>
Yes, I and as I was saying to you just the other day, Matt, ...insert favorite
latin witticism here like _E Pluribus Unum_ or _Lux et Veritas_....


>-- 
>Matthew S. "Opie" Warren     warren-matthew@yale.edu
>"It wouldn't have been anything, even if it were gonna be a thing."

--jean


-- 
--Jean (from the Minerva 7day test)
toal-jean@yale.edu
i still love VM
From: pmchapm@sgipm3.sdrc.com (john chapman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Keywords: Shannon, Brenda
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:38:53 GMT
Organization: SDRC

In article <dheath.724310542@cunews>, dheath@alfred.carleton.ca (David Heath) writes:
|> There seems to be a lot of anger out there directed towards Shannon
|> Doherty / Brenda Walsh.  Personally, I'm not really too sure what all 
|> the fuss is about but I'd like to know what can be done to rectify the
|> situation.  Is there ANYTHING that Ms. Doherty can do to redeem
|> herself at this stage?  Are we going to write her off forever?  What's
|> the source of the problem?  Is it the actress or the character?  What 
|> kind of changes in Brenda would be necessary for people to feel good 
|> about her again?  Are we talking about big changes or minor
|> adjustments?  Is it her whole persona or just the little things that 
|> she does?  Enquiring minds want to know...
|> 
|> In alt.tv.90210, someone wrote to say that Shannon was crying after she
|> got off stage at the awards ceremony.  I think that things have gone a
|> little bit too far.  In any case, I respect the fact that she could
|> finish her segment without breaking out in public despite the fact
|> that she was obviously hurt by the audience's actions.
|> She seems like a strong woman.
|> 
|> 
|> Thanks in advance,
|> 
|> David.
|> 
|> P.S.  Please be a little bit more specific than "Stop being a bitch."
|> in your replies.

Amen Brother!

I think her whole personality has been determined by the media.  You can't 
believe 90% of what you hear on TV or read in magazines - they're trying
to make money and you can't make money without controversy.  At least it
seems that way.  It's a shame when the ignorant public lets they're opinions
be swayed so easily with so little evidence.  Wait until you meet the girl                        to criticize her, at least. Everyone just assumes she's a bitch because she                     plays one so well.  IT'S TELEVISION!! Seperate fact from FICTION.  I bet                        she's a really nice girl, and to be honest, I'd REALLY like to find out.

John


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From: ridenour@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lynn Ridenour)
Subject: Re: Help me out
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 04:56:41 GMT

In article <thn2n=+@rpi.edu> night@acm.rpi.edu writes:
>In <1992Dec18.034156.4567@leland.Stanford.EDU> Vida Tigrani <veeduh@leland.stanford.edu> writes:
>
>>And Shannon:
>
>>Does anyone else think she looks like she's part Asian?
>
>A little perhaps.  If you look at pictures of here when she was younger
>though, she looks thoroughly Caucasian.

Agreed.  If she looks at all Asian it's beause of her hair.

- Bob
From: pharr-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew Pharr)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Shannon
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:06:09 -0500
Organization: Booola Boola
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Keywords: Boo-hiss to booing at the awards!

In article <13DEC199222400844@jane.uh.edu> st1y4@jane.uh.edu (Ann) writes:
>I hate to say it, but what the heck...
>
>I'm glad she was upset (if it was true) after the awards show.  She is
>or at least seems to be, one of those actors that start off nice but
>after a few hit seasons it all goes to their heads and they turn into
>total and complete assholes!!!!
>
>Maybe its not too late for her and she'll get a clue and change her act...

This is an awfully harsh reaction, isn't it? How terrible a person
could Shannon D. actually be? Sure, National Enquirer says she's a
bitch, as do other random media people, but given the way the
entertainment media generally acts, this is just as likely a sign that
she hasn't learned to broadcast a consistent and positive image to the
gossip folks.

As for her little incident at the club? Could be a sign of being a
egotistical star, but it could just as likely have come from someone
who provoked her because of who she is...

I'm not saying that she's definitely Mother Theresa, but I really
don't think that the booing was deserved in any way whatsoever, and am
willing to wait before passing a verdict on the inner workings of her
personality...

Yours, in love with Kelly....
-Matt
---
pharr@cs.yale.edu                           "It's a competitive world..."
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: 12/16/92
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:26:32 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Karl MacRae (kmac@cisco.com) wrote:
> Aside from the utterly inane (And very badly written) 'Angel'
> crap, the storyline was stupid;

There was a storyline?


>                                 the whole kelly/dylan/brenda
> thing is totally unbeliveable, *and* they're copping out; 
> they're not dealing with the characters they've set up

Those guys have all been under a lot of emotional pressure the last six
months or so, ever since late last season when Mr. Walsh got upset with
Dylan.  Now they have gone back to their normal selves.  I hope they
stay that way. I never liked the love triangle in the first place.

They are after all best friends; perhaps catharsis has made them more so
now than ever before.


Larry
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From: djg4162@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: music
Reply-To: djg4162@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:18:25 GMT

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiwill always love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaiieeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiwillalways love aaayouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiii
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Get real!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:56:18 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren (warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu) wrote:
>
> [Several train/bus collision references not included]
>
> Larry, how many times do we have to tell you -- Christmas miracles
> are well-documented, scientific FACTS.

Whew!  For a second there I thought 90210 was getting unrealistic.


>                                         Haven't you ever seen 
> 'It's a Wonderful Life?'  It's almost as good as Heathers.

No way!  Really?  I'll check it out!  Does it have Christian Slater
in it?  He's such a stud-muffin.  He is to die for.  To *die* for!


> Happy non-denominational Winter Solstice Holiday Season

Ditto.


Larry
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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: More music used on 90210
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:53:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: music GnR 90210

I know that in episodes last year they used the REM songs "Losing
my Religion" and "You are the everything."   I think "LMR" was used
in a Brenda-Dylan scene after Brenda had thought she was pregnant.
And the other song appeared as part of a Dylan and his dad
flashback.

William F. Tell
UC Berkeley

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From: annie@ultra.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:50:04 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <BzE9ww.Kz@utdallas.edu>, goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
|> >1.  "Which is it, thick or thin?"  What's up with that?
|> >     Every high-school student worth his/her salt knows that
|> >     early action admits are thin, too -- they send you the main
|> >     material in April with everyone else.
|> 
|> Hmmm...all universities I know send thick envelopes.
|> 
|> In fact, my brother got his early acceptance notification from Duke two
|> days ago.
|> 
|> They sent him a nice looking, high quality, Duke folder with lotsa papers
|> inside it. (ie-it was "thick")

And (a million years ago) when I got my early acceptance letters from
U of IL and Purdue, they were both thin - and then about 2 weeks
later, sent all kinds of stuff.

-- 
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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