From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:24:11 GMT

In article <92279.235843LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)  wrote
>/ Too often we asked ourselves what (or whom) we are important to, shouldn't
>/we think once in a while what (or who) are important to us?  Yes, CCP wants
>/you to keep your mouth shut.  The best you can do is to hide under the
>/umbrella of U.S government and wait until the situation in China all clear up?
>/Occasionally I would hear about Chinese being selfish, I always took defensive
>/side to that.  However, what happened in U.S. after '6.4' force me to think
>/it twice.  The only two heavy lobbies by us is for ourselves, and we are
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>/advised to not to mention any human right improvement in China
>
> I do not agree. I came here before `6.4` and was a F-1er for Ph.D. I did
> think those guys who pushed so hard on Protection bills were selfish.
> They just wanted to get rid of to two-year home residency requirement.
> But SOME OF THEM are not. Mr. Zhao Haiqing, who is the leading person
>fighting for this S1216 does not need this bill HIMSELF. Although
>I do not know him personnally, I heard he is a post-doc fellow at a
>prestigious university, and that can easily be converted to a GREEN CRAD.
>He fights for us for virtually nothing for himself, and we all owe him
>a lot. This is the person we should admire. He is NOT SELFISH. (This
>is my own impression about him. Please tell me if you think otherwise)
>
>/( not I think there's much).  I have to admire Shen Tong.  For all his
>
>/unlikenesses ( to me anyway), he is the guy dared to face the CCP and made his
>/voice heard, not many of our anger CSS are willing to do that.  We are only
>I agree. Mr Shen Tong IS a courageous person (although I do not agree
> what he had done in China, to expose   so many people). It is certain he
>had paved somehow the passage of S1216.
>
>/willing to make his arrest another hard evident for our lobbying for the
>/'card'.  For all of us who want the democracy more than anything, why we want
>/to shut down the opposition of the protection bill using the words like 'mad',
>
>I do not agree. Not WE, but SOME OF US. Some of us ARE SELFISH, but not
>not all of us. Same is true that some of us do not want democracy. Some
>of us want to stereotype all of us. Democracy is easy to be advocated,
>but not to be learned. Please look at the so called Chiness Democracy
>Front. every body mants to shut someone else up. That is not democratic.
>
>/'stupid'....  So this is how we build our democracy, by shout out anyone who
>
>/against our ways of thinking.  Why I feel there is a similarity between this
>/  and the doing of a certain government.
>/  Can we all think for a moment what is important to us?
>/  I donot mean to take it out on the original article, just want to give
>/eople my Sunday morning before football thoughts.  Thus, I apologize for
>/osting a follow-up article.
>/
>/ Brian
>
>I do not agree. Courageous and unselfish come in all shapes and ways.
>Certainly Mr. Zhao Haiqing and Shen Tong fall in this category.
>Still others who do not act like them are. We do not have to act all
>like Mr. Zhao and Shen. Most of us ARE ordinary people. We have to
>try to understand them, to suport them. We also have to understand
>ourselves. We want democracy. We decided to leave China, and have
>decided to return China to promote democracy, that is Shen Tong's
>way saying 'We want democracy' to the government. If we have decided
>to stay in US, that is the way of Mr. Zhao, who displays the
>dissatisfaction towards the government, 'we do not like your way
>of doing things, you are autocracy, and we do not like it!'  No one
>is perfect, you and I alike. It is too easy to find faults of the
>others.
>
>Wang L H

  Although I used the first person tone, it doesnot mean all of us.  Neither
would I mean that in any other articles.  That will take care of all the      
disagreements, saved for the last one.  I donot know you disagree with my
criticism about shuting out opposition (there's nothing else).  If so, I will
never agree.  I donot care the opposition are CCS, CCP, or any other.  From
what you wrote, you just want to shout back.  That is not the same as shuting
out.  Only what CCP and some eager CSS in the net are doing qualify.  That is
what we call in CHina 'one voice place'.  Eough said, what I really want is
for us to think what is important for us once in a while.  I donot like to use
some American president's quote.

  Brian