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From: ce423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Lackey III)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: RADAR DETECTOR
Date: 25 Dec 1992 02:45:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Lackey III)
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>I called Escort before I purchased it.  The sale guy said it has the same
>circuitry as Passport 3200 and 3100.....


  Whats the difference between the 3100 and 3200?


>	Escort		Passport 3110
>X Band  -121dBm/cm^2	-113
>K Band  -114            -107
>Ka        n/a           -92
>
>For the radar gurus on the net, are the sensitivity figures a good measure
>of performance for radar detectors?  What other factors are there?

Sensitivity is important, but selectivity is also important. Selectivity
in a radar detector sense is its ability to distinguish between police
radar and false signals like burglar security systems and door openers,
etc. A sensitive radar without any selectivity would warn you when you are
5 miles from the nearest grocery store door opener!  :)

  The best comparison test of some of the most popular radar detectors
on the market to date is the OCTOBER 1992 issue of Car and Driver.
They look at the BEL 966ST Cobra RD-306 Escort/Passport 3200
Valentine One and the Whistler 880.

  They have some really good charts they made too!

Hope this helps!



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From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:05:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.182703.30951@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.163427.18691@dg-rtp.dg.com>, goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec22.122412.28101@mips2.ma30.bull.com> K.Buck@ma30.bull.com writes:
>|> >>doesn't require the use of hands to use - 
>|> >
>|> > i'm all in favor of that, but let's add "PLEASE make sure its a model
>|> > that doesn't require the use of a BRAIN to use"...
>|> > in my opinion, phone conversations risk devoting too much attention
>|> > from the task of driving, even with hands-free operation.
>|> 
>|> So I trust that you also never engage in driver-passenger conversation
>|> while in a moving vehicle?  And if you do, please explain the
>|> fundamental difference between that and hands-free phone use.
>|> 
>|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>|> Bob Goudreau			Data General Corporation
>|> goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com		62 Alexander Drive	
>|> +1 919 248 6231			Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA
>
>yes, i agree.  i personally have trouble talking to passengers about
>anything that requires much thinking.  i generally pay a lot of attention
>while driving and talking much distracts me enough to make me uncomfortable.
>especially if there's traffic.
>
>i can listen to the radio ok (but nobody gets pissed if i mentally tune
>that out while i watch what other cars/bikes/peds are doing).
>
>car phones are worse because the guy at the other end doesn't see what
>you're dealing with, but i think a lot of drivers still get distracted
>by passengers.
>
>axel

Axel is a smart person.  I believe, based upon his description, that
he will not use a car phone while the car is in motion.  He also does
not try to tell me not to use my phone.  He also does not try to tell
me to not talk to my passengers.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: Car bras
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:15:13 GMT

keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:

>Of all the posts on this subject i have yet to see any mention
>of the Lexan automotive nose covers.  Has anyone else other than
>me seen these.  It is a plastic/lexan translucent bra which is molded
>in the shape of the front of a specific car. I have seen these on
>Mustangs, Camaro's and on Porsche's.  These bra's are somehow
>suspended above the body of the car, although, i am sure that there
>must be several contact points.  They're probably expensive though.

I, too, have seen these nose covers.  Some are clear, others are smoked.
I've seen ads in C/D, AutoWeek, etc. from some outfit like Beverly Hills
Auto Accessories; they run from about $295 if memory serves me correctly.

They're held in place by tiny brackets, similar to bug deflector mounting
hardware, and they're kept about 1/4" away from the paint by translucent
knobby thingamijigs.

IMHO, these things look worse than the regular vinyl covers, if that's
possible.  They do solve the problems associated with vinyl covers, like
moisture and flapping, however.  The only time I see a car bra that I
think looks okay, is when it's on a black car; they blend in just fine.
I think they look awful on red cars, and even worse on white cars.

I just rub Slick 50 on the front of my car, it repels bugs, dirt, and
rocks, not to mention the 5-7mpg I gain.  I'm thinking of using it in
some of my recipes, as well, like on steaks or in fajitas; I think it
has tremendous cholestorol reducing powers.  :^)

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jamesm@lunch.austin.ibm.com (James Miller)
Subject: Re: emblems, names and m
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:37:21 GMT
Reply-To: jamesm@lunch.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM AWD; Austin, Texas


Just caught this thread and thought I'd throw in my $0.02 of trivia.

At the auto museum in Sturbridge, Mass. there were a few glass display cases
full of car badges -- lots of nice enamel and chrome.  Among them were some
very early (late teens? early twenties?) Dodge radiator badges -- blue enamel
circles inscribed with a very distinctive star of David.  The owner of the
museum (wish I could remember his name -- he was quite old, and this was
twenty-odd years ago) told the following story about the Dodge six-pointed
star:  It seems that before building their own cars, the Dodge brothers built
engines for Henry Ford.  There was a falling out between Ford and the Dodges
which had something to do with Henry's, um, beliefs regarding the Jewish
faith, which was held by the brothers who built his engines.  After parting
ways with Ford and starting their own line, the Dodge brothers spited Ford by
gracing the fronts of their cars with the star of David.

Of course, I have nothing to back up the old gent's story. =8^)
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: glk9533@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg L. Kimnach)
Subject: Re: Car bras
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: 24 Dec 1992 10:53 EST  

In article <4844@ceylon.gte.com>, hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes...
>I'm considering purchasing a car bra.  Now, I've heard the pros and cons, but
>still cannot decide.  I'm considering it because I've already had paint
>damage from stones thrown by cars on the freeway.  It's a crying shame.
>On the other hand, they look tacky and are expensive and of questionable 
>durability and may damage the paint (by trapping moisture.)
> 
>So, what is the consensus?  Are they worth it?  Is there an alternative?  I
>don't want to have to repair my hood every few weeks.  All the construction
>on the freeways is increasing the probability of damage.  I need a solution.
> 
>Thanks in advance.

I agree that the bras may look tacky.   That's why I wasn't going to buy one
for my '88 IROC.  Then I saw JC Whitney had colored La Bras; the car color
is burgundy, as is the bra.  Looks good.  Not like a Black bra on a
________ (fill in any color other than black) car.

Unfortunately, JC no longer carries colored bras....:-(

Greg
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From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: audi - luxo-lemons?
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:13:47 GMT
Distribution: rec

jim.hepworth@canrem.com (jim hepworth) writes:

>I'm thinking of getting a used Audi (83,84,85?) for a second car for
>just wheeling around in town (non-commuting). I like the styling and
>handling reputation of these cars, but I hear negative comments on this
>car as well. The APA (Automobile Protection Agency (Canada)) gives the
>thumbs down on these car in terms of expensive maintenance, poor gas
>mileage and high depreciation after three years. The 4000 with the 2.3
>litre engine is smooth and peppy but cramped. The 5000 is roomy, but has
>more problems thna the 4000 series. I'd like to hear feedback from
>owners on how they have liked their Audi, and is it really deserving of
>its reputation. Thanks in advance.
>---
> ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ Pass the token?  How'm I gonna get on the bus if I do?
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Oh no, I didn't think anything could be worse than my 4000,
well it's not mine anymore :-) some poor sap bought it.

$1000 for muffler system, $800 for brakes at reputable dealer.
I shopped around and even Midas wanted 80% of that.

Who ever you spoke to was right on the mark. I wish I did, and even
then I'll bet I would of been too bone-headed to listen.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: Passat - to buy or not to
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:11:55 GMT

In article <mills.725553672@dialup.athena.lkg.dec.com> mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills) writes:
>greg.roberts@dwarp.sccsi.com (Greg Roberts) writes:
>
>>Car has 21K miles, has averaged 27.9 mpg total.  Maintenance has
>>consisted of replacing one torn CV joint boot (under warranty), the
>>aforementioned electric window, along with regular oil & filter changes
>>& tire rotation.  Oil consumption dropped to less than 1 qt/4000 miles
>>about the 14K mile mark (I assume it has finally gotten broken in).
>
>1 qt per 4000 that seems to me to about a qt too much.
>Really I've had about 4 new cars over the years and only one used
>any oil (at 80k miles and it's a visable leak). I also change
>my oil at manufacturers recommended intervals (5000-7500 miles).
>All were small engines and one was a VW Jetta. It may be normal
>but I'd ask other owners.

I change the oil in my Passat every 3000 miles (the manufacturer's interval is
7500 miles) and have never found it to consume oil. I have, however, heard of
at least one other Passat that has needed unscheduled oil additions.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bill@iron.tandem.com (norcott_bill@tandem.com)
Subject: Re: saturn repair costs
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:54:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.210504.7578@bnr.ca>, dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
|> Actually, doesn't this refer to things like Oil Changes, Tune Ups, Tires, etc?
|> (unless all of this stuff is covered by a Saturn Warranty).  I imagine they 
|> probably extrapolated to five years to make the data.
|> 

Even if they did that, I don't see a big price difference in oil 
changes and tires between similar cars.  Ditto oil changes.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,ba.market.vehicles
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 23:30:12 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Impact is DEAD [was: Electric Vehicles]
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: electric battery car vehicle solar

In article <1992Dec27.034556.23630@hawk.cs.ukans.edu> stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs) writes:
>>				.
>>>- Engineers/marketers/etc. are having a hard enough time keeping the
>>>  cost of the vehicle below $25,000.
>>
>>This is utter BS. I subscribe to an EV list full of electrical engineers.
>>Here's what you need to have an electrical vehicle :
>>
>
>>>Flame away, eco-freaks!  Electric cars aren't gonna solve the problems,
>>>just make some tree-huggers feel good about themselves.
>
>It's unlikely any one thing will solve all of the problems, but if
>I could get a street-legal, high performance golf cart, and get some
>kind of break on the insurance and taxes, and get the batteries
>recycled at reasonable cost, I sure it could save me plenty over
>a period of years, probably mostly in wear and tear on my "real
>car". The pollution emitted by the electric power plant is more
>easily scrubbed, and far away from the city, so the air in the
>immediate area would be better.
>

There are a few problems with this approach:

 1. The "scrubbed" pollution is converted from air pollution to water
pollution.  Recovered particulates become solid waste.  The carbon
dioxide is released to the atmosphere.  

 2. While the air at the point of use (or abuse, if you like) would be
marginally better, the price would be paid in the region of power
generation if hydrocarbon fuels (about 2/3ds of existing power) are
used.  This is called externalizing the costs.  WRT CO2, the conversion,
transmission, charging, and discharging losses make the EV a larger
per-mile releaser than an IC vehicle; if vehicles of comparable
performances were compared, the differences would be large.

The concept of the EV is typical of the shallow thinking that could
damage the environment in the name of its protection...and it does need
protection.  

The list grows longer.
From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Sable Model Changes & Pricing
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:32:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Other than cosmetic changes, does anyone know if there are any
significant mechanical (or feature) differences between the '92 and
'93 Mercury Sables?  Also, how much of a price increase was there
from 1992 to 1993?  Thanks in advance.

-stu
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From: IANR009@UNLVM.UNL.EDU (D. Kirk Darnell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Buying auto dealership??
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 08:37:14 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlvm.unl.edu

Holiday greetings in Netland:
 
I am currently looking at taking over a Ford dealership from a
retiring owner.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  Any suggested
resources or ideas would be appreciated.  I've heard about a
2-set volume of books titled "A practical guide to buying and selling
automobile dealerships."  This costs over $250, a little steep at
this point unless there is nothing else out there.  It is very early
in the process (dealer has made offhand comment and I'm interested) thus
it does not make sense to go over the deep end with expenses yet.  Thanks
for your help.  This message has previously been posted in entrepreneur
groups with little response.  Hope it works better here...
 
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From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Saturn Traction Control Option
Date: 25 Dec 1992 15:21:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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How effective is the Saturn's Traction Control feature?

I've gotten the impression that traction control is something
found on only higher priced cars.  I think a lot of these use
individual brake controls and high pressure hydraulic pumps
to limit wheel spin when the vehicle hits a patch of ice, for
example.  This works well, but is generally expensive.
Saturn uses a different approach - somehow controllers on the
engine and tranny are used to modify wheel spin.

The bottom line is the claim that the Saturn technique works
and is accomplished very economically - when you purchase the
ABS option you can get traction control for only $50 more
(that brings total price of ABS + Traction Control to $645 on
the SL2).  This sounds like a great deal when you compare it
to the much higher price of similar features found on other
cars.  Any comments?
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From: ramon@helix.nih.gov (Ramon J. Hontanon)
Subject: Honda Dealers
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:37:36 GMT


I don't agree with the fact that Honda dealers are more or less slimy
than the rest. Also, let's not extrapolate one case of rudeness to
"all honda dealers are scum". I think dealers in general are "morally
challenged", and perhaps Honda dealers can afford to be even more so,
since the product they sell is always in demand. Let's face it, GM
dealers aren't better people, they're just more desperate.

I also think that the degree of "scumness" is directly proportional to
the population of the area that the dealership is in. The bigger the city
the slimier the salesdroid.

Good thing we only have to buy a car every two presidents!

Ramon
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Remote door/trunk unlock/lock control?
Keywords: Saturn Remote Lock Door Trunk
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:17:22 GMT

In article <1765@rwja.umdnj.edu> holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Richard Holowczak) writes:
>mitchell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dennis Mitchell) writes:
>
>>Does anyone know of a reliable remote unlocking system that can be installed
>>by either a dealer or owner in a Saturn SL-1 with power locks?
>
>>I'd like to be able to remotely unlock the doors (and ideally, the trunk as 
>>well) as I walk up to the car.  I know that this capability can be added
>>to many alarm systems, but I don't _really_ want an alarm (they annoy me, and
>>I'd rather not annoy others).  
>
>>I would consider an alarm system with this capacity if the price was 
>>reasonable.
>
>     You could buy an alarm with this capability (the lock and unlock) but
>     just don't connect a siren or flashing lights.  This way you still get
>     what you want plus perhaps some additional protection for the car
>     that won't annoy anyone.
>
>     A $150 - $200 alarm and a good installer should be able to give you
>     what you want.  Just look for alarms with a few "outputs" which you
>     can connect to the trunk release (You might need a solenoid to do this
>     but I don't know how your trunk works) and the power door locks.
>
>
> 
>Rich Holowczak                       holowcza@andromeda.rutgers.edu
>Rutgers University
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:38:32 GMT

In article <mills.725087366@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com>
mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills) writes:

>But based on my 87 audi purchase I now have a "going away gift" for Audi.
>It's a bill-of-sale with GMAC.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire!

	-Kenny

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From: bhmd1464@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 350 in a Fiero!
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:26:00 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University



About 2 years ago I had a SportsCar Trader that had an advertisement
by a company that installed small block chevys in Fieros.  I have
lost the article since then but I am now really interested in
getting in touch with those people.

About 4 months ago I bought an '84 fiero with no motor and brought
it to my mechanic.  He put a 350 in it and I am more than satisfied
with the performance and his installation.  However,  the kit
that was mentioned in the lost article included exhaust manifolds
and accessory brackets that my mechanic had to fabricate.

I plan on buying an '86 or '87 Fiero GT with the 5 speed and 
putting a 350 in it but I would like to use the kit to make the
installation a lot neater and a whole lot easier.

The company was located in Florida somewhere.  If anyone knows
of this company or has any info on kits from someone else to
install a small block into a Fiero, please let me know!


Brian Acosta
(504) 345-8904