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From: jct@mti.sgi.com (Chris Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: new xymox?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:30:11 GMT
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daniel@fuchsia.uchicago.edu (Daniel Fu) writes:

>So is the new xymox album any good, or what?  Didn't like the last one
>too much...

Well, if you didn't like Phoenix, then chances are you'll really loathe
and despise "Metamorphosis"!

Without going into a long and boring review, the album is mostly Ronny
Moorings and a bunch of techno-rave-rhythm-boxes doing generic mid-90s
club music.  There are a couple of brighter spots, and even a couple of
slower, moodier pieces... but certainly nothing approaching the group's
"glory days".

"Dream On" is an acceptable "hit single", but it's balanced with the
truly awful "XDD" (unbelievable that this B-side from the single made
it to the album... what, short on songs, Ronny?).

Also, the production is rather shallow, lacking much of the depth and
texture that Xymox was known for.  Anke Wolbert is nowhere to be found,
either.

All in all, "Metamorphosis" isn't the *worst* album I've bought this
year (i.e., I didn't take it back for credit), but there are a lot that
were *far* better.  (Could I take this chance to recommend In the Nursery's
"Duality" just one more time??)

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From: ben@NeoSoft.com (Ben Ettinger)
Subject: Re: Songs With Obnoxiously Long Titles
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:52:16 GMT

_Nurse With Wound_: Stick that chick and you'll feel my steel through your
                    last meal
 
_The Tear Garden_: 3-D Technicolour Scrambled Egg Trip Down the Hell-Hole
                   (with canary)
 
ben.

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From: bungle@cellar.org (Mr. Bungle)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: strange band names please/+ album name
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:33:11 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin) writes:

> In article <13904@ecs.soton.ac.uk> sdm91r@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Stuart Maclean) wr
> >Poop Shovel must be the best band name ever !! Alans (a record shop in
> >
> >Stuart.
> 

     When I was at school in DC, my roomates and I used to play in this
park at night when we were real drunk.  Three acoustic guitars, none of
them tuned very well and occasionally a harmonica.  Oh, it was just like
Crosby, Stills, and Nash.  We managed to cull an audience from the many 
passers-by, most of them drunk themselves, on their way home from seeing
real bands in nearby dives.
    Anyway, one night we convinced these particularily stupid girls that 
we were a new band from Seattle called "Acoustic Lethal Mindfuck," and that
they could find our debut album, _Dogshit_Licorice_, in the cut-out bin at
any fine Tower Records.
    They're probably still looking for it.

MR. BUNGLE


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From: rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Subject: Re: The Nephilim- anyone heard of this band?
Organization: Communications Research Group
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:55:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.081957.45578@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.190605.25406@unix.brighton.ac.uk>, mm68@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Lost Boy) writes:
|> > Carl recons he has the righs tothe Fields of the Nephilim name so he may well
|> > appear again under that name.
|> > 
|> Yes, his new band is called Nefilim.
|> 

What a shame that a once great gothic singer should form a band
with a joke for a name ;-)

			Rob.



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From: skmurphy@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Sean Keric Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Grenadine (formerly Another Best of '92 List (sorry)
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:30:05 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Dec17.135352.27337@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
>In article <BzEsHx.M1w@rice.edu> hk@caesar.rice.edu (Hyonchol Kahng) writes:
>
>>There's more, I'm sure, but this ought to do it for the time being.
>>BTW, has anyone heard the new Grenadine album?  Is it worth buying?
>>Inquiring minds....
>
>I've heard it once, and on that basis, I'd say it's worth getting.  Picture
>*Imperial f.f.r.r.* done on (mostly) accoustic guitar.  All of the songs
>are credited on the sleeve to various thirties and forties songwriters
>(Gershwin, Rogers-Hammerstein, etc.).  However, I strongly suspect that
>most of the songs are actually original compositions by the band (I say
>this, even though I'm extremely unfamiliar with pre-rock-n-roll pop 
>music.  Clarifications are extremely welcome).

Clarifications away: Mark and Jenny wrote 'em all except "I Only Have
Eyes For You" (1950's doo-wop from The Flamingos) and "Jingle Bells"
(I know, this is obvious, but in particular, they're copying the Frank
Sinatra version from Frankie-baby's Christmas LP).  Actually, "Philco"
was written by Jenny a couple years ago when she was hanging out in
Olympia doing the My New Boyfriend stuff.  It used to be called "My Side
Of The Story", and it's on the "Super Saw" cassette available from
Simple Machines.  Aaron Stauffer (from Seaweed) does a hilariously
awful guitar solo on this song.  Anyway, all the songs are totally
great, I'm even getting used to the remix of "Gillan", and I would
strongly recommend buying the album today, if not sooner.  Well,
actually, mail order it.  It'll be cheaper - about $7 for vinyl, $10 for
CD - far better than record stores in my area for new releases, and
friendlier, too. :)

Sean Murphy
skmurphy@phoenix.princeton.edu

I love those j-i-n-g-l-e bells, 
those holiday j-i-n-g-l-e b-e-double l-s,
I love those jingle bells, all the way, jingle all the way!
					- Grenadine
From: dmor@dcs.ed.ac.uk (David Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Poppies
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:50:12 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh


  I notice a large percentage of the postings on this newsgroup are from the USA and
Canada, so I thought this would be a good group to send this question to.....
  Are PWEI (Pop Will Eat Itself) known over in the States? If they are known of, how
to their record sales go, and what do all you guys think of them?
  Personally I think they are one of the most exciting and listenable bands in the 
World at the moment.
  If you haven't heard of them, you really ought to make an effort to get a hold of
some of their material, most notably their most recent album 'The Looks Or The
Lifestyle', or one of their previous albums ('..Cure For Sanity', 'This Is This' or
'Box Frenzy').
  If you dont, its at your own peril......
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From: mm68@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Lost Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:04:17 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

Why I should bother to replying to such a retarded comment I don't know, but
whoever you are...get a life!

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From: kolsson1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Kris Olsson)
Subject: Re: happy mondays videos
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:46:27 GMT

In article <msecker.723958576@scorpion.ac.cowan.edu.au>,
msecker@cowan.edu.au (M.SECKER) writes:
> 
> Hi  Just wondering if anybody knows of any Happy Mondays videos (of their singles and live) that might 
> be avalible, my old flat mate  had one (copied of of English TV) but took it with her when she went back 
> to England.
> 
> 
> Mark 
> Lucky Boy
> 
> 
> Reality is a mater of the clarity of mind.
> 
A while back the Happy Mondays were on the Great British Music Weekend
(have it on tape- I think they did 3 songs- live).
From: lancer@lizardo.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: New Order flexi disc
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:34:53
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In-reply-to: brian@nx39.mik.uky.edu's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:11:47 GMT

>>>>> "brian" == Brian hoffman <brian@nx39.mik.uky.edu> writes:

brian> I recently got a floppy record sort of thing which is supposedly by New  
brian> Order.  I think it is the record that was given out at the Hacienda on  
brian> Christmas some years ago.  I haven't had a chance to listen to it (since I  
brian> don't have a record player), but I was wondering what was on it and how  
brian> rare it is.
brian> Thanks
brian> -Brian

It is indeed New Order, given out for free at the Hacienda...

As for rarity:  I'll give you some $$ for it...  I've seen a few
copies but no one wants to trade...

.s.
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: MiniDisc is here!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 02:04:48 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

manderso@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson mark david) writes:

> I'm not all that totally familiar with the MD format, but what I _do_
> know, and I think what many other millions of buyers do know, is that
> the DCC players will let you play your old 'normal' analog tapes. 

I don't really care one way or the other about the MD/DCC war; neither
format offers enough of a sonic improvement over standard cassettes to
interest me in changing over, at least not until there's a clear winner.
But if cassettes are forced out by MD I'll be a lot happier than if
they're forced out by DCC; at least MD offers *some* features that
cassettes don't, like honest-to-god random-access playback/recording and
a reasonably robust physical medium.  

Backwards compatibility isn't an issue to me either; the way I figure
it, my tapes are dying the slow death anyway simply because they're
*tapes*.  If I upgrade to some kind of digital recording system, then I'll
dupe over the irreplacable stuff and trash the rest.  As far as I know,
DCC decks only play back old analog tapes, they can't record them.  So
no matter which format wins, I'd still have to replace my car stereo and
my walkman.

Sneaking suspicion: we'll probably see MD+CD decks in early '94 if MD
doesn't die out of the gate.  There's enough similarity between the two
that the only real work involved would be the transport mechanism.  *That*
would convince me to switch systems right quick.

> You may say, "Well, don't put on the analog deck," but as far as I can
> tell, most people won't be jumping at the idea of trashing all their
> tapes.... 

You would have *thought* that people wouldn't be jumping at the idea of
trashing all their LPs, either, but . . .

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From: Cannam@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: MiniDisc is here!
Followup-To: rec.audio
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:05:48
Organization: Konrad Zuse Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
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In-reply-to: saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu's message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:09:59 GMT


In article <1992Dec15.140959.19570@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe) writes:

   >Face it:  tape as a consumer recording medium is on the way out fast.
   >Philips is going to crash and burn on this one.

	   Yeah just like Phillips crashed and burned with CD's huh?  If you
   knew your technology history you would know that Phillips was the company
   that invented digital storage media for music.

Actually Philips collaborated with Sony on CDs.  Which of course
doesn't affect the fact that they came up with the original compact
cassette, which hardly crashed and burned, or that Sony made a rather
less than vast domestic worldwide impact with Beta vids and DAT, or
indeed that this thread is beginning to go on a bit.
From: jens_alfke@gateway.qm.apple.com (Jens Alfke)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: MiniDisc is here!
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:01:37 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1gj1fqINNelu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Lourenco William Dantas,
flamengo@wpi.WPI.EDU writes:
>	Why do you want the MDs to catch on? I am hoping that the DCCs
>	are the format that captures consumers. This way I can continue
>	listening to my tapes. And I'm pretty sure that many people still

I myself am rooting for MiniDisc because:
1. Tapes suck. They break, they take forever to rewind, the heads always
get dirty.
2. I don't care about availability of prerecorded stuff. Just give me
blank ones and let me record them, please.
3. All my tapes are just copies of my LPs, EPs or CDs, often resequenced.
I don't mind having to record that stuff again if it'll finally sound
good and not die within months.
4. MiniDiscs are thin and easier to mail to people.

The system I'm waiting for is the MiniDisc car stereo where the player
itself pulls out as an independent Walkman -- the cassette equivalent has
been around for a few years.

Of course, I'm also waiting for the price to drop below $500...  :(

--Jens Alfke
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From: joebg@iastate.edu (umbra)
Subject: Re: lemonheads ?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:46:31 GMT

In <15DEC92.23100375@vax.clarku.edu> plowenstein@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>robinson is off the new album (rereleased) and luka is off 'lick'

I believe LICK is unavailible, I got the last copy on CD from Taang records this summer, the counter girl told me that the masters had been accidentally deleted-- -whoops.



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From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: Best Albums of '92
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:40:52 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
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keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken) writes:
: Conspicuous by its absence from the lists I've seen has been my
: particular favourite this year:
: 
: 
:         Buffalo Tom "Let me come over"
: 
: 
: (Closely followed by Sugar "Copper Blue" and Pavement "Slanted &
: Enchanted"
: 
: KDA
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I wholeheartedly agree.  This album is really spectacular in its fullness of
sound, lyrical content and just plain adrenaline release.

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From: v462etnn@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Is New Order still around?
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bz66yq.GDt@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius) writes...
>Oops...
> 
>Just went back and listened to Technique...
> 
>I guess that is Sumner after all; 
>sounded a lot like Hook to me for some reason
>(doesn't now)
>I am calling Revenge a new incarnation of New Order not because
>I think it is, but just because that seems to be where the majority
>of the members have gone to.  I know they'll be back;  it's just
>kind of a convention that I think makes sense.
>Marius
>ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Revenge is where most of NO has gone?  How do you figure?
Peter Hook is the only NO member in Revenge.  By that
method, The Other Two is the new New Order.

David Anderson
From: poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Who sang Bangkok?
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:26:54 GMT
Reply-To: poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

the guy who sang the song "one night in bangkok "
was murry head.  i might be wrong, but im pretty sure.

-stephen
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:33:30 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Best albums - 1992
	<1992Dec9.225434.23200@wam.umd.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.alternative: 9-Dec-92 Re: Best albums -
1992 Ashley E. Collins@next03 (494)

> > The Cure - The Big Hand
> >
> I don't think I've heard "the Big Hand."  Was it a bonus track on a  
> single?


"The Big Hand" was released as a b-side to "A Letter To Elise" and it is
also on their newest video release "Play Out." The Play Out version is
from the Town And Country 2 gig they did so just about every bootleg
from that gig also has that track.

--Vernon.

btw: has anybody heard if they *ARE* going to release ALtE on CD single
here in the US??
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From: hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein)
Subject: dinosaur jr. ?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:41:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

ok, i just bought "bug" and it's fucking great. the only other album
i've heard is green mind. what else is out there? does j. macsis (sp)
have many side projects? new albums? do tell, alt. fans!
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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Dave Kendall fired from 120 minutes
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:06:39 EST

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

> bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:
> 
> >   <Hating MTV and Dave Kendall> == <ain't gettin' any>...???
> 
> I think the implication is that anyone who has enough free time to whip up
> a furious hate against MTV in general and Dave Kendall in particular
> probably has way too much time on their hands.  I mean, really . . . who
> cares?  It's like being offended by the existence of dryer lint.
> 
> --
> Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

    Just for my $.02...I have to agree.  Kendall may have been a dweeb, 
but 120 Minutes certainly does a better job with "alternative" music than 
any radio station around where I live (and there is an "alternative" 
station).  It was through that show that I first heard Lush, Kitchens of 
Distinction, and many others, and that alone makes it okay by me.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
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From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: Observation
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:38:55 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-17-92 20:32
Quoted from: C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk (C.L. Gannon)
> 
> ...
>      it seems that in britain we have a very different view 
>      as to what is and what is not "alternative" (in comparison
>      to the americans for example). I feel sure that people will
>      not like this, but it is an honest opinion, i never really
>      thought of the  cure as alternative, i was alwaays led to 
>      believe that alternative music was heavier (i'm not putting
>      down the cure btw).
> 
> 
>      LEO
>

  I'm not disagreeing, but perhaps it is incorrect to use the term 
'alternative' to describe any one type of music.  'Alternative' is a 
blanket term, which loosely describes music that is not listened to 
(in general ... ie. Nirvana can be 'alternative' as can the RHCPs, but 
they're quite popular) by the majority of 'mainstream' music fans.
  There are many different genres _within_ the alternative bracket. 
Some of these, like grunge, are heavy, while others, like the 
Madchester scene (which was the epitome of indie/alternative), has 
more of a dance edge to it.  Whichever way, the people who listen to 
any of these musical types cannot be put into any one category.  It 
would also be unfair to disinclude certain bands because they are 
popular.  If they have a few hits over their career, that doesn't make 
a band not alternative (most often it just has to do with the right 
time, right place thing).  The Cure started out as an indie-punkish 
band, and although they have a large following, it consists (at least 
in reference to their long-time fans) mainly of people who enjoy the 
whole alternative thing...

Is it fair to say that because a band makes a lot of money, that 
they're no longer different from the mainstream scene?  Probably 
not...

Just my opinion.

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