HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: CallForDiscussion: A*BETTER* HP95LX?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:37:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <19510@acorn.co.uk> asmith@acorn.co.uk (Andy Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.124422.13157@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>Until a 48 card comes out, we will have to make do with Derive. On this when
>are we going to get a system manager compliant Derive??

From what others have said a 48 card for the 95 is almost impossible.
A V20 just can't emulate a Saturn fast enough, and the 48's software
is very much tied to the Saturn.  A complete rewrite might work, but
that would be quite time consuming and expensive.  Perhaps a PCMCIA
card could be produced that would have a Saturn processor on it, plus
the ROM and at least 32KB of SRAM?  I could see political as well
as technological problems with this though.

>It would also be useful to have a 1 key save, or update file key, rather
>than having to go through a menu sequence, or record that sequence onto a
>CHAR+Fn key.

Get 95buddy, it has this among other features.  Version 2 is due in a
few weeks.

>I would also have liked to see a 5mm PCMCIA 2.0 card slot, but after

If you want a modem, New Media's 95 modem is scheduled for release next
month.  The 95 also can accept cards a bit larger than a Type I, you
could call it Type I 1/2.  There is also the possibility of some sort
of network interface card.  The 95 is so popular that it's worthwhile
for companies to make special cards for it.

>Speed up the V20 to 8Mhz and have a software switch option for 5Mhz/8Mhz.
>Have a repeat on the alarm. Currently when the alarm goes off and your not

These would be nice to have.

>The agenda should take you to today by default when its entered. I find it a

That would be nice, perhaps that's a feature 95buddy could have?  For
the moment I just hit {F5}{RETURN}.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
From: charles@yc.estec.esa.nl (Charles Stroom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: MKS Toolkit problem on HP95LX
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:12:08 GMT
Organization: ESTEC/YCV, Noordwijk, The Netherlands

Not a particular fan of MSDOS, I have installed the MKS toolkit
on a 2 MB Ram card (it's a 1988 version including most
frequently used unix-type commands such as vi, awk and even the
spell checker; in total about 1.5 Mb) on my HP95 (1Mb).
All comands seem to be running fine, but I have one problem.

I have made a small startup.bat script on the C:\ disk, which looks
as
	REM to start the mks Korn shell
	REM
	A:\
	SERCTL /O
	CD \BIN
	SH -L
which i run from the filer.  The first time I execute this, it
seems to be all ok.
The messages are:
	C>REM to ....
	C>REM
	C>A:\
	A>SERCTL /O
	A>CD \BIN
	A>SH -L
	MKS Korn Shell ....
	>
where the last line is the shell prompt.

But if i exit the Korn shell, return to the filer and start it
again, it wouldn't work, but tells me:
	Invalid device specified
	Invalid device specified

	Microsoft (R) MS-DOS(R)  Version 3.22 .....

	C>
which is not what i expect.
In fact, after the first time I have executed the startup
script, using the Menu System from filer, will already give this 
"Invalid device..." messages. A CTRL ALT DEL resets everything
to normal.

Does anybody know what is going wrong here?


Charles Stroom
-- 
Charles Stroom, Estec/YCV

charles@yc.estec.esa.nl  or	CSTROOM@ESTEC.BITNET
European Space Technology Centre, Noordwijk, the Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: what's next?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:09:18 GMT

...So, what's next on the 88k?  We have the
88100, the 88110, but is there anthing else
for the future?


-- 
Thanks,				Encore Computer Corp.
Joe Sweeney			Melbourne, Florida
jsweeney@encore.com		
Xref: sparky comp.sys.m88k:325 comp.unix.wizards:4341
From: gvs@eng.cam.ac.uk (G.V. Stuart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k,comp.unix.wizards
Subject: DG/UX on non-DG 88k box
Keywords: kernal porting
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:27:16 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.m88k
Organization: cam.eng


Does anyone know if it is possible to run Data General's DG/UX operating
system (Rev 5.4.1 or later) on M88000 system's other than DG's own?
We have a Motorola MPC100 system which is basically a VME backplane
with MVME 188 single processor and 32Mb RAM, a 327 SCSI controller,
374 ethernet controller and 332 serial port card currently running
Motorola's System V/88 V3R2 and a Data General AViiON running DG/UX 5.4.1.
It would make like much simpler if both machines ran the same system and
the DG SVR4 port is preferable.

Has anyone tried this? Anyone at DG care to comment?

This was posted on behalf of a friend who does not have news so please
copy replies to sjm@cambustion.co.uk.

Thanks,
Greg
--
Greg Stuart				Cambridge University Engineering Dept.
gvs@eng.cam.ac.uk			Trumpington Street
					Cambridge, England
					CB2 1PZ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: kskaalru@nyx.cs.du.edu (kevin skaalrud)
Subject: 88110 availability
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:01:14 GMT


>I have heard that Motorola is having trouble getting the '110 out
the door.  I have been a fan of Motorola for years and would hate
to see this happen, however, I have yet to hear of a '110 box announced
and as I understand it Data General released an 8 processor 88100
machine.  If the '110 is shipping why would DG use the '100?

Also, I have seen ads for a Motorola server for the Mac environment
and with a mips rating advertised at 39, I suspect it uses the '100.
Anybody know for sure?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: murphyn@rtsg.mot.com (Neal P. Murphy)
Subject: Re: what's next?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:03:23 GMT

jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney) writes:

>...So, what's next on the 88k?  We have the
>88100, the 88110, but is there anthing else
>for the future?

The following is pure speculation. It has *NO* basis in fact.
I'm more than a thousand miles from the chip folks....

I would imagine that the 88120 would be next. It would likely
have a full 64 bit internal and external busses. Maybe running
at 100MHz. This would appear to be a logical progression.

What would *really* surprise me is if they integrated a 1GB/s+
fiber LAN on-chip. That would make for some very interesting
inter-CPU communications, maybe even some new SMP/MPP applications.
They could even use a fiber link to the memory subsystem. (It *would*
drastically reduce the pin count!)

NPN

(Remember, this was purely speculation. I work in cellular
communications. What do I know from IC design and fabrication?)
From: hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: tar for AOS/VS?
Keywords: tar AOS/VS Data General
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:19:43 GMT
Reply-To: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

I humbly apologize for this breech of netiquette, but I am trying to find 
some Data General experts that can help me migrate some data from a dying 
MV/4000 to an Aviion and there isn't any Data General groups that I could 
find.

As the title suggests, can anyone out there get their hands on a tar util 
for a MV/4000 running an old version of AOS/VS (6.something).

                          Thankx.

                         -- Pat --

    +------------------------+---------------------------------------+
   /    Patrick Hoepfner     |    NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center    \
  /  Hughes-STX Corporation  | Internet: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov \
 +---------------------------+------------------------------------------+

E-Mail is fine so we don't fill this group with junk that is not relevant 
to the M88K subject.
From: geek+@CMU.EDU (Brian E. Gallew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Top
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:57:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QeriNTu00VB9E6vv05
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Has anybody managed to get top built?

How about a cpu monitor?

                                  -Brian

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From: fernandeza@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: MIPS rating?
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:31:01 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA


Does anyone know the MIPS rating for the 88110?
Would the MIPS double if two 88110's were used in parallel?



 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: pdavidso@nyx.cs.du.edu (phil davidson)
Subject: re. 88110 and the future
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:47:39 GMT


I believe that the 88110 will clock around 79 mips,,,,M. is working on a
88120 chip as well, which with be up in the 200-300 mips range, but when
will we ever see that is anyones guess!!!!
From: brian@grot.starconn.com (Brian Smithson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Re: 88110 availability
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:48:25 GMT
Organization: Brian Smithson

kskaalru@nyx.cs.du.edu (kevin skaalrud) writes:

>Also, I have seen ads for a Motorola server for the Mac environment
>and with a mips rating advertised at 39, I suspect it uses the '100.
>Anybody know for sure?

Yes, the server is 88100 based.  I don't know when the 88110 is due out.
-- 
-Brian Smithson
 brian@grot.starconn.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: matthew@joyce.cs.su.oz.au (Matthew Geier)
Subject: Tektronics XD88/10 problems
Reply-To: matthew@cs.su.oz.au (Matthew Geier)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:02:47 GMT

 Any other XD88/10 owners/admins out there ?,
 I recently obtained an XD88/10, and untill I tried to boot from tape was
running perfectly.
 I booted off tape to reformat the hard-disk , and now I cant get any thing
else to work. Tek Australia dont seem all that interested in helping out,
they say the tapes they sent should work.. ( Its an old machine and they
dont stand to make any money out of it I spose... ).

 I reformated the disk, installed a new 'vtoc' , both of which worked with
out error. The install program then fails , as the system cant fsck or
mount the root file system just created.
 In fact doing it manually 'newfs /dev/rdsk/c-0d00s0' and then attempting
fsck or mount that device yealds 'unable to determine filesystem type'.
 Ive formated the disk many times using different options in the scsifmt
program but its always the same error when you try to mount the newfs.

 If there is an tek or XD88 group or mailing list around , could some
one let me know..

Thanks,
Matthew Geier,
matthew@cs.su.oz.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: mau@kreutler.de (Hans Mau)
Subject: Motorola R32V3 RISC cc/sdb
Organization: KREUTLER GmbH, 7500 Karlsruhe 1, Germany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:33:10 GMT

Dear colleagues,
the man page sdb(1) lists as BUGS the inability (at least in some cases)
to
 - display local variables
 - display a complete/correct stack trace
 - call procedures from sdb.
The reason given is that the standard cc delivered by Motorola
(Greenhills) does not generate code debuggable as required, even
with special options which are implied with the -g option
of cc.

Does anybody have experiences with or workarounds for this?
Are there compiler/debugger environments without these limitations?
Does Motorola supply these?

Thanks for any info, Hans Mau.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: wcm@geac.com (W Christopher Martin)
Subject: TCP/IP over X.25 (DG to Moto)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:21:19 GMT
Organization: Geac Computer Corporation
Keywords: IXE

We're hoping to get a DG AViiON 8120 talking to a Motorola Delta 8640
via TCP/IP over X.25.  DG's X.25 package comes with a feature called
IXE (Internet X.25 encapsulation), while Motorola sells a similar
feature as an extra add-on package.

Before proceeding with the purchase of the extra Motorola software,
I'd like to find out if these will interoperate.  I can't find
references to any of the relevant RFCs in the literature from
either company.  The local sales people don't know any more than
that either.  Based on discussions with them (so don't put too much
faith in this), it appears that both companies rely on a third party
for this software.  Whether its the same third party or not has been
impossible to determine.

Reports on success/failure of similar attempts (even with other vendors)
to do this would be appreciated.

wcm
-- 
W. Christopher Martin <wcm@geac.com>
From: pas@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Paul Stoecker)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:06:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Source code for AT&T Codelibs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

I don't know the answer to your question, but the number for
ordering books from USL is 1-800-828-UNIX (1-800-828-8649).
Perhaps they can direct you.

Paul Stoecker

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hart@waterloo.hp.com (Tony Hart)
Subject: Re: Xterminal mice
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:38:18 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Fred Appelman (fred@cv.ruu.nl) wrote:
: The hewlett packard X-terminal 700RX comes with two mice. One of the mice
: looks like a PC mouse. It has part number 1150/1835. There is also a
: model number: CA-93-6MD.
: I would like to connect this mouse to a PC, and would like to know if
: this is possible. The connector is round and has 6 pins. I would like
: to change this into a 9-pin D-connector. Does anybody know the wiring
: of this connector?
: 
: Is there a chance that this round connector is a "standard" PS/2 connector?

Yes, this is a standard PS/2 mouse and, apart from the case color, is identical
to a Logitech Model CA-93-6MD. I've no idea how you'd convert it to a 9-pin
D-connector, though :-).

Hope this helps!

Tony Hart,
Panacom Automation Division,
Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Ltd.

Standard Disclaimer:
All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent an official statement of
the Hewlett-Packard Company.
From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: traceroute(8) wanted for HP-UX
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:51:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <3874@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Ran Atkinson) writes:
>   I really need a version of traceroute(8) ported to HP-UX 8.0 such
> that it will compile and run on my HP 700.

Yet another shameless plug for our HP-UX archive coming up:
Our anonymous FTP site, ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk (138.253.42.172), has FOUR versions
of traceroute 1.17 (including two of which are independent HP-UX ports) bundled into a single compressed archive called /hpux/Networking/traceroute-1.17.tar.Z.

>   I'd really like to see a traceroute made available via InterWorks or
> some other mechanism.  There isn't anything similar for anonymous ftp
> on iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu, I just checked.  Surely someone inside HP has
> already done this and if so, maybe they could let it go to the
> InterWorks distribution channel.

Ho hum, you don't know about ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk (despite my large number of
plugs for it :-) ) then - this site is run on a 720 donated by HP themselves.

Archive Librarian,        E-mail: ftp@csc.liv.ac.uk
Computer Science Dept.,
Liverpool University, 
Merseyside, England,
Great Britain.
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Killed ???
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:12:52 GMT
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL6]

: A FORTRAN programmer on my system just came to me with a situation where
: his FORTRAN program dies before the first line is executed and the only 
: message he gets is "Killed".  

Most likely, the program is simply too big to be loaded - the data exceeds
available swap and/or maxdsiz, so the program dies with a SIGKILL, which also
explains (but does not excuse) the cryptic error message.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:11379 comp.unix.bsd:7028 comp.unix.ultrix:7432 comp.unix.questions:11874
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Remote Printing from HP to BSD systems
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:52:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Oct7.175217.18806
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct7.073653.20235@autelca.ascom.ch> nbladt@autelca.ascom.ch (Norbert Bladt) writes:
>stevej@hpc.mentorg.com (Steve Jumonville) writes:
>
>
>>System V printing is painful to use if you're not familiar with it.
>Yes. I completely agree with this statement.
>
>>I suggest you use the menu driven 'sam' utility (System Admin Manager) to
>>set up printing to BSD. When you're in sam, follow the menu tree down through
>>peripherals, printers and plotters, to "setting up a remote printer". If you
>>have questions, use the "Help" funciton key.
>We solved it in a very simple way:
>	chown lp /usr/bin/lp
>	chmod u+s /usr/bin/lp	(now /usr/bin/lp is running as user "lp" !)
>This is necessary because on every *n*x system around there is an user "lp".
j(At least, on any *n*x system we have here, HP's, SUN's, Interactive UNIX, etc.)
>Now you can write a simple model/interface file which just does a remote shell
>on the other system and that's it.
>Something like
>	cat file | 'rsh BSDhost lp -Pbsd-printer-name'
>
>>By the way, run 'sam' in an 'hpterm' window if you want access to function keys.
>I guess, that you could do it with 'sam' on HP's, we never used it on
>System V.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Norbert.

	How about this. How do you print directly  to a printer
	which is on a terminal server.

	You need ip address and port address on the server.


		????

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: Enrique Navarro Sanchis <navarro@pereiii.uji.es>
Subject: Xman
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:39:56 GMT
Organization: Universitat Jaume I

Hello all:
	Unfortunately, HP DO NOT SUPPLY the complete sources of
	X11R4 together with the HP-UX 8.0 Operating System.
	For instance, the xman is not supplied.

	Help ! Someone can say me an anonymous ftp-site where
	I can find xman ?

	Thans in advance


Enrique Navarro Sanchis		E-mail: navarro@pereiii.uji.es
SYS ADM						Tel: 964 - 345881
Servei d'Informatica				DO NOT BUY IVORY	
Universitat JAUME I				Ivory belongs only	
CASTELLO   (SPAIN)				to elephants.
From: rouilj@dl5000.bc.edu (John P. Rouillard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: /etc/hosts and name servers...
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:50:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Institute for Space Research, Boston College


We use /etc/hosts for local machines. It makes it a lot tougher for
cracker to fake ptr entries to make the machines thing that it is
talking to a trusted machine, if the DNS is never hit for resolution
of "local" trusted addresses.

-- John
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: hpterm survey
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:43:12 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <1aqmdrINNe56@fido.asd.sgi.com> shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
>The main benefit of HPterm is that it emulates an HP terminal
>(surprise!). A whole slew of non-Unix applications (read: HP1000 and
>HP3000) run only on HP terminals,

We care less on non-Unix applications running with HP terminal or not.  What
we need is native keyboard support on "sam" and "update" under xterm instead
of the kludgy ^f-n key sequence.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rodean@fc.hp.com (Bruce Rodean)
Subject: Re: BSD more for HP/UX?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:35:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Dameon D. Welch (kc@netcom.com) wrote:
> Does anyone have a BSD version of more that will compile without
> difficulty under HP/UX 8.0 (I like to be able to move back and forth
> in the more like I can under SunOS). Any ftp sites or source code?
> HELP!

You may want to take a look at pg(1).  It can move backward within a
file if that's all you want.

--
Bruce Rodean                          Hewlett-Packard Company
rodean@fc.hp.com

This does not reflect the official position of Hewlett-Packard Company
in any way, shape or form.  Everyone else in the company may disagree
with what I say.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:11512 comp.sys.sun.apps:2185 comp.sys.sun.misc:4583
From: rouilj@dl5000.bc.edu (John P. Rouillard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Porting from Sun to HP
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:03:35 GMT
Organization: Institute for Space Research, Boston College


We are about to develop an application that will have to be ported to
HP-UX. Our primary development platform looks like it will be a Sun,
since none of our DECstations support shared libraries.

However, this approach has me worried since the application we are
writing needs to use shared libraries to do its work. We are using
PV-Wave as our driver program and will be dynamically linking in some
sizable number crunching routines, and possibly some additional
widgets if PV-Wave doesn't have exactly the type of widgets
that are needed for displaying/selecting the data. Also, we will
probably be using multiple shared libraries (I know that we will need
the ld.so patch for SunOS) that would call back into each other in
order to try to segment the added code into workable subsystems.

So on to my real question: 

     Is the Sun under a system V environment a suitable development
     platform for HP-UX?  Are we letting ourselves in for a major port
     dealing with workarounds for features/bugs/incompatibilities
     between SunOS and HP, or are the differences pretty straight
     forward such that they are documented in the HP manuals.

Any comments, anecdotes, etc on porting to HP's from Suns would be
welcome, as this will greatly influence our future hardware buying
decision.

Thanks.

-- John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: us048503@mmm.serc.3m.com (Art H. Hurst)
Subject: Re: HP/UX Performance Monitoring?
Organization: 3M Company
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:00:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.150319.1905@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson)) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.200614.15346@timesink.chi.il.us> mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec) writes:
>>A friend of mine new to UNIX is running an HP9000-827S under HP/UX
>>8.02 with 32MB memory. Apparently they are having performance
>>problems even tho there are only a few developers on the machine.
>>Can anyone recommend any performace monitoring tools? Specifically,
>>we're looking for something like "top" for Suns or "u386mon" for
>>386 based UNIX.
>
	Have you tried 'monitor'. It's unsupported, but probably there
	and can give you much detail on what's happening.

-- 
Art Hurst                                         Email: ahhurst@mmm.com
3M Company                                        Phone: (805)388-4170
Digital Storage Products Division                 FAX:   (805)388-4804
Camarillo CA 93012