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From: dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith)
Subject: Re: 'The Flying Lure'
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:29:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In article <1993Jan20.190012.16635@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kkc@stat.nursing.arizona.edu writes:
>The commercial shows that the fishes in the tank keep hitting the flying
>lure. However, who knows how many days those fishes have been starved 
>before filming the commercial.

Last spring, I saw a (mostly bass) fishing presentation which involved
tossing various lures to fish in a tank about 30' long by 3' wide by 6'
deep.  The expert wasn't pushing any particular lure, but mostly used
spinner "baits" with and without trailers, and tube jigs.  The hooks were
cut off.  Bass and trout hit pretty much everything.  He cast a spinnerbait
down onto the asphalt parking lot and had a kid stomp all over it.  Then he
proceeded to get two or three strikes with it on his next cast into the
tank.  The fish in the flying lure ad don't look any hungrier than the fish
I saw in the tank that day.

The flying lure's supposed advantage is not that the fish like it any
better, but that you can better work it in to where they are.

-- 
David R. Smith, HP Labs |   "I like to get my hands dirty,
dsmith@hpl.hp.com       |   because it stimulates my mind."
(415) 857-7898          |        -- Irwin Sobel
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From: pisarevsky@b56vxg.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing Seminars
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:02:00 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.143630.5922@ncsu.edu>, plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes...
>In article <1993Jan25.144415.29447@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod) writes:
>|> 
> 
>|>I attended a fishing seminar last weekend 
>Were you in Greensboro too?  I thought David Fritz was great, 

    You guys mst be talking about Bass Fishing Techniques, right ? 
    If that's the case, could you comment on it some more, please.
    I got a mailing on it and am considering attending. 

>good too, because he fished deep water).  On the other hand, 
>Denny Brauer was really a butt-head, if I saw him on the side of 

    I'd be curious to know some reasons for this harsh judgement.

> 
>		-Pat.
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re: Vermont icefishing
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 22:30:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.213739.18057@cs.wisc.edu>,
djansa@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Dean Jansa) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan15.150214.8912@Princeton.EDU>
jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin) writes:
|> >Is there such a thing as an icefishing guide? What do they do?
|> >
|> >As I imagine it, first the guide brings you to the spot on the lake
|> >where all the other ice-fishers are. Then he/she/it (I said I don't
know about
|> >ice fishing guides) drills the holes, sets up your tip ups, sets up a
|> >folding chair for you, hands you a steaming hot cup of coffee and goes to
|> >sleep. All for $200/day.
|> 
|> And how is this different from a "soft" water guide taking you to a spot
|> on the lake where all the other "soft water"fishers are.  Then he/she/it 
|> ( I don't know about "soft" water guides ) rigs up a rod, hands it to you 
|> and sits down in his "captin chair"  All that for $200/day....
|> 
|> ???
|> 
|> Dean
|> >
|> >???
|> >
|> >John Danskin			|

Well, if you are flyfishing anyway, you end up moving around quite a bit.
While you are moving around quite a bit, odds are the guide is carrying the
heavy stuff (i.e. the beer component of lunch).

The guide is helping you figure out what fly to use, and this changes
throughout the day. The guide is also finding fish to cast to, and generally
making fun of your casting technique. More traditionally, you and the guide are
spending a lot of time in a boat, which the guide is paddling, rowing, driving
or whatever.

Also, it seems that ice fishers like to cluster up more than softwater fishers,
although a visit to the local Aqueduct on a sunday morning in June might change
your mind.

Despite my tone, I really was wondering what ice fishing guides do all day.
To an outsider, ice fishing seems like a sedentary activity where you find
a spot and stay there all day. From what I have heard, the recomended bait
is pickled grubs, possibly with a swedish pimple or other lure attached.
There just doesn't seem to be as much variety in the way people fish, which
implies that there isn't as much need for a guide. I guess if I was going to
Vermont for a few days, and wanted to get some ice fishing in, I might try
to find a guide to set me up in the morning, but then I'd want to get rid of
(probably) him. I'd hope to end up paying a lot less than $200. Is this what
people do? What do people do? (Aside from avoiding the guide problem
altogether.)

John Danskin			|
(609) 258-5386			| Gradual student
(609) 258-1771 fax              | Gradually going insane from a severe lack 
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		| fishing.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Southern Arizona Fishing  
From: l36749967@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (LITVAK, ANATOLY)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:51 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Can anyone suggest a prime area for fishing in the Tucson/Phoenix Area
preferably for Bass.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com (John Phillips)
Subject: Re: 'The Flying Lure'
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:52:16 GMT
Reply-To: jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

>I saw a half hour commercial about this killer lure that's suppose
>to catch fish like no other. You have to order a kit by phone that
>includes several of these plastic lures and a set of special hooks
>that go with.
>
>It showed pretty extensive footage of the lure being gobbled up by 
>some bass in a fish tank at a fishing show.
>
>Has anyone heard of, or tried this lure?

>> I'm a compulsive fisherman and fishing tackle buyer.  In my opinion
>> the "flying lure" is a gimmick.  I'll either skip a lure up under a
>> dock or de-tune a crankbait to wander in from the left or right.

If the "flying lure" works as advertised, then I disagree. The backwords 
action of the lure applies to one of the basic tenents of fishing: Keep
the bait in the strike zone.
 
I would think the bait to be especially effective for inactive fish. There
have been many times when I wished that I could keep a lure in one spot while
still giving it action.

The only thing is that I have no intention of buying at the outrageous TV price.
I will wait till I see them at Wal-Mart for 99 cents, and this will happen 
( remember the $120 TV hand blenders that are now avialable anywhere for $15).
From: pisarevsky@b56vxg.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Good Fishing Sites for NY/Canada
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:48:00 GMT
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In article <1993Jan25.120525.541@hsh.com>, lee@hsh.com (Lee Havemann) writes...
>We are looking for some good fishing lakes up on the Canadian/New York
>border, preferably on the Canadian side. We're not too particular about
>the type of fish, could be northern pike, trout, etc. Mostly we all

    1000 Islands Region of NY state has excellent fishing. There is 
    wide range of accomodations available from very plush to real basic.
    St. Lawrence River has just about any species of fish you can imagine.
    You can stay either on Canadian or American side of the river. On American 
    side I can recommend Pinehurst Resort as a place to stay. They may have 
    boat rentals as well. If you need more information please feel free to 
    contact me.
>- 
> Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir.    HSH Associates      (201) 838-3330 
> Internet: lee@hsh.com    Compuserve: 70410,3507    AOL: HSH Assoc
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From: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Fishing limit
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:20:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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From the San Jose, Ca Mercury News 1-21-93:

News of the Wierd

Jaekun An of Anchorage, Alaska, was arraigned in August
for violating a freshwater fishing limit.

A trooper who found him with 169 fish quoted An: " It was
just so good that I couldn't stop myself."

Greg

Organization: Sophomore, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:42:46 -0500 
From: Jason Patrick Venesky <jv15+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: fishing in chile 


 Hello, 
    
    I am inquiring about the fishing, preferrably trout fishing, in
Chile.  More specifically, Santiago, Chile. Any response would be
appreciated.

                                                        jason venesky

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: jcook@mumble.cs.Colorado.EDU (Jonathan E. Cook)
Subject: Re: Steelhead thoughts (what's a ...)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:27:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.024128.14666@rose.com> marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom) writes:
>
>EM:Here's something REALLY novel: get rid of that ridiculous "steelhead"
>EM:moniker.  You are fishing for rainbow trout.
>
>EM:There are no "steelhead" in Lake Ontario.
>

Really?  As another poster mentioned, they come from Pacific steelhead
stock, they're migratory, they grow up in open water (and fight like
it), and they have the color change down pretty good in my book. Does 
the fact that the water they mature in contains less salt than the
ocean mean they're not steelhead?

I've heard other people say the same thing. So whats' the concensus
out they're in netland? Are the great lakers living a dream?

Jon.

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: 'The Flying Lure'
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:35:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.190012.16635@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, kkc@stat.nursing.arizona.edu (Why do you care?) writes:
|> 
|> >It showed pretty extensive footage of the lure being gobbled up by 
|> >some bass in a fish tank at a fishing show.
|> 
|> The commercial shows that the fishes in the tank keep hitting the flying
|> lure. However, who knows how many days those fishes have been starved 
|> before filming the commercial.

To show the difference (if any) they should have put a "normal" jig of the
same color/size thru the tank inbetween the "backward" lure's cast!!!
-- 
Richard Park
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Vermont icefishing
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:58:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 13319@Princeton.EDU, jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin) writes:
 
> Also, it seems that ice fishers like to cluster up more than softwater fishers,
> although a visit to the local Aqueduct on a sunday morning in June might change
> your mind.

From what I've seem locally, ice fishing is often very much a social event!  You'll
see a couple of hundred people with huts, picnic tables, grills etc. wandering all 
over the ice and having a good time with it.

If you talk to the "serious" ice fisherman though, they tend not to stay in one
spot much at all.  They will move all over the lake, taking depth soundings and
being very focussed on finding and catching the best fish.  

Me, I'm in between!  :^)


> John Danskin			|
> (609) 258-5386			| Gradual student
> (609) 258-1771 fax              | Gradually going insane from a severe lack 
> jmd@cs.princeton.edu		| fishing.


---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***
              Itasca, IL

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: juso@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joon U So)
Subject: Re: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:36:36 GMT


As far as bleugills are concerned, I've noticed that they'll hit on almost 
anything from a small trout fly to cork poppers. As far as cork poppers are 
concerned, I've had a lot of success with bluegill specials and other poppers 
of that type. I think what's important about a popper is that they have rubber 
legs, they(bluegills) seem to love those legs. As for flies, I've seen people 
use anything from wooly worms to adams. Good luck.
-Joon
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: paul@dino.gi.alaska.edu (Paul Delys)
Subject: Re: alaskan fishing
Organization: Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:27:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.222504.12083@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> jporter@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (John C. Porter) writes:

>steve achenbach (SXA112@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
>: I need help.  I'm considering working in alaska either on a fishing boat or in
>: a cannery for two months.  I need first hand information on whether this is goo
>: d, or bad.  If you have great things to say, or horrible stories, post it for m
>: e, or write me.  Thanks


>: Steve Achenbach
>: sxa112@psuvm.psu.edu


>Two friends of mine worked on boats two summers ago, made over $3000 each
>in 6 weeks, and would not do it again for double that amount.  

I fished the Gulf of Alaska for ten years, summer and winter, made a *lot* 
of money and would do it again for 1/10th of $3000!

Paul   f/v Ten Bears
Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Subject: Re: Flying Lure (magic wand)
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:44:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.153315.19544@ncsu.edu> plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>
>Learning to fish requires energy, intelligence, and lots of 
>practice and on the water experience.   
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How true.  I attended a fishing seminar last weekend and one of the
presenters was David Fritz (acknowledged crankbait expert).  I learned
a lot, but in his own words David said: "I'm going to tell you about
my techniques.  I'll also show many of these techniques to you.  But I
assure you that you won't understand completely until you practice on
the water for several hundred hours.  You'll begin to understand when
you can tell if the crankbait is bumping wood, rock, brush, grass, hard
bottom, soft bottom, gravel.  You'll really begin to understand when
you can tell when the bait misses half a wobble."

Every one of these pro's said minimize your tackle, learn everything you
can about the tackle selection you choose, and spend more time on the
water.


Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: jeffwe@microsoft.com (Jeff Webb)
Subject: Re: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:11:20 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

Just about any floating fly with some action will catch bluegill.
Small cork poppers are good for a start (cheap, too at K-Mart).
I've caught bluegill on large bass poppers, even -- disgorging the hook is
a mess though when a 8" bluegill swallows a 4" fly.

Why fish for 'em? Cause they're fun!
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Steelheading (migratory Rainbow Trout)
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:22:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.232200.18277@jts.com>, frank@jts.com (Frank Kim) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> ..........Steelheading has
|> taken on cult/art status, where it seems to be more important to use
|> the right equipment and wear the right clothes than it is to actually
|> catch the fish.
|> 
I do believe in using the right equipment ( need a good drag system ) but
couldn't care what I look like cause there are seldom people of the 
oppposite sex crusing the shorelines. I try to keep green/brown for
camouflauge (sp??) as bows spook in clear water.

|> Anyway, here's what I use:
|> 
|> -12 foot Loomis IM6 graphite noodle rod
|> -100mm custom float reel with offset seat (like a big fly reel made of
|> aluminum alloy with no clicker and no drag, just a free spool)
|> -8 lb Trilene backing with 4 lb Maxima leader (black ball bearing swivel in
|> between)
I'm trying to get off the trilene stuff for backing. I got this line
made by SunLin who also makes DiRiki and use it for leader material.
I find it really good. Unfortunately, I've only seen it at Angling
Specialties.

|> -English Style Pencil floats
|> -VMC or Gamagasku #14 hooks
I don't like Gamagasku cause of the hook style. 

|> -Dunmore soft lead split shots
|> -assorted flies including Hellgrammite, Spring/Michigan Wigglers,
|> Stone Flies, Wooly Buggers.

|> 
|> I've yet to get my neoprene waders and I've yet to use some locally
|> made balsa floats that are "all the rage".  In the areas where I fish,
|> if I use say, Water Gremlin removable shots, then, I will be looked
|> upon with distain.
I started to make my own floats so that I can size/shape them to my desire.
Hey, I use removeable shots. I couldn't care what the guy next to me thinks
especially if I'm catching and he is not.

|> 
|> Are we crazy up here?  I think I am, since I spent $400Cdn ($330US) on
|> a reel which is nothing more than a spool on some roller bearings.
Good. I must be normal then cause I only spent $200 on my float reel.

|> 
|> I would really like to get some new ideas, one up on the Jones, ;-)
I didn't know Tom Jones fished for steelhead. Just kidding. The thing
I'm trying to perfect is being at the river at the right time, fishing
at the right pool, ie. reading the river. I've basically perfected my 
system such that as long as the fish are there I'll catch a few. Being
there when the fish are is critical to me!!!

|> 
|> Thanks.
|> -- 
|> Frank Kim     frank@jts.com  uunet!uunet-ca!jts!frank  (416) 512-8910
|> JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
|> 4211 Yonge Street, Suite 620
|> Willowdale, Ontario

-- 
Richard Park	
Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
From: plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Flying Lure (magic wand)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:33:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.075539.24751@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, kevin@turbo.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod) writes:
|> 
|> I don't endorse the flying lure, I don't own any, I don't want one  --
|> I think this lure and all the marketing hype is pretty much "bass
|> baloney".   
|>                :-)

I don't have much of an opinion regarding this flying thing 
(other than the fact that it must be the most expensive jig-lure on 
 the planet earth, also that I am really tired of hearing about it). 
 Kevin, I can't help but agree with you. 
It may be a wonderful lure, or not.  I have no plans to find out. 
In general, there is no such thing as a magic lure.  Why do people 
keep searching (spending) for a single lure or presentation that 
will catch fish under all circumstances?  Why not learn how to 
fish instead!!!! Imagine how boring fishing would be if such a 
magic device existed.  Even live bait fishing (which is actually 
non-fishing IMO) is not the universal panicea (forgive my spelling), 
because bait does not trigger a reaction response.

Learning to fish requires energy, intelligence, and lots of 
practice and on the water experience.  If you just want to 
dumbly catch fish, save your money, don't buy tackle.  You 
can go to a trout farm and catch all the fish you want there 
(in the long run this may be more economical).

I know, maybe if I spray WD-40 on my flying lure then fill 
it with rock salt and paint the hook pink I will have the 
universal bait, then I can quit all that painful thinking stuff 
while I'm on the water!!!


			-Pat.
From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing Seminars
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:39:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

In article <27JAN199308020878@b56vxg.kodak.com> pisarevsky@b56vxg.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky) writes:

>    You guys mst be talking about Bass Fishing Techniques, right ? 
>    If that's the case, could you comment on it some more, please.
>    I got a mailing on it and am considering attending. 

Yep, it was titled "Bass Fishing Techniques".  An organization out in
Edmond Oklahoma called Anglers Enterprises provides the materials and
speakers (professional bass fishermen) and they work with local Technical
Colleges or Community Colleges (usually).  In the seminar that I attended
there were six speakers.  This is the standard format.  The six were:

	Kevin VanDam
	Denny Brauer
	Stacy King
	David Fritz
	Joe Thomas
	Lendell Martin (substituted for Jon Hall)

They tell you up front that these guys have sponsors that encourage them
to do these things (seminars and boat shows) and they make you sit through
a 10 minute video tape commercial first thing.

About 300 people were divided into two groups.  Each group has three
instructors in the morning and the same three in the afternoon.  Each
pro teaches or lectures on two subjects.  The second day three new pros
do the same thing. In other words, these six pros pull off two seminars
in two cities on the same weekend.  In this case it was Greenville and
Greensboro.

The cost of the seminar was $69.00 and the hours were from 8:30 am to
4:45 pm each day with an hour and a half for lunch.  There was about
15 to 20 minutes between seminars to allow for autographs and individual
questions.  All the pros encouraged questions during the lectures by
the way.

Was it worth it.  I think so.  The experience of the attendees ranged
from novice to experienced (experienced = fishes club tournaments or
local/regional tournaments).  Some of the novices had a little trouble
with lingo like: stick baits, hard baits, soft stick baits, blade baits,
etc.

Personally, I learned two things that I know will help me catch more
fish and I thoroughly enjoyed listening to these guys (even Denny
Brauer, Pat :-)

kho
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: mikkulma@sara.cc.utu.fi ((Mike Corner LA))
Subject: Re: Steelheading (migratory Rainbow Trout)
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:29:58 EET

In article <1993Jan20.232200.18277@jts.com>, frank@jts.com (Frank Kim) writes:
> I fish the Canadian side of the Great Lakes in North America (does
> anybody get this newsgroup elsewhere???)

Yep. At least here in Finland.

-- 
* Mika Kulmala         /  Student of Computer Science, University of Turku
* Kr||pil{nkatu 4 C 48 I       email: mikkulma@polaris.utu.fi
* 20610  TURKU        /  " Be bop aba loopop ba loopboom boo, ie. Don't
* SUOMI - FINLAND   /  think, just listen to your dick's voice" Mikko Saarela
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:53:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Well, so much for the flying lure, I didn't get a single post regarding
positive results from using it.

Now I'm looking for fly recommendations for catching bluegill (I'm a soon
to be novice flyfisherman)...

Any help is greatly appreciated...

Greg