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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS%UKANVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: document delivery
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I would never presume to read Rusty's mind (I leave that to his wife and
will send him a personal message making snide remarks), but I think that
when he asked about out-of-hand renewals, he could also have been refer-
ring (and, if he wasn't, I am, in my great Marcel Proust-imitation run-on
sentence) to taking an inventory along and checking off the books against the
inventory rather than bringing the books back to the library and then carrying
them back again.  As a result, the transaction at the checkout terminal
would be out-of-hand, but the books would have been seen by a library
staffer, thereby avoiding the problem you referred to.

I am continually amazed by what staff-intensive things BYU can do.  I know
several people who did their obligatory missionary work...is working in the
library an alternative option?  (Please, no offense intended...I just asked
one of my Mormon friends if that would be and she said no, but she is one of
the funniest people I have EVER met in my life, so perhaps I shouldn't
trust her judgement!! :^)


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From:         319 Susan Marks 335-5913 University of Iowa Libraries
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Subject:      (Copy) question for circ-plus

From the University of Iowa Libraries' Media Librarian to its Access
Services Coordinator to Circplus.  Please respond directly to Becky
Albitz, the Media Librarian,OR to the list, if you believe others might
be interested in your reply.  I'll be sure to forward to Becky.  Thanks
so much for your help!
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Date:    Tue, 08 Sep 92 08:55 CDT
To:      Susie Marks                          <CADSML@UIAMVS.BITNET>
From:    Becky Albitz 5-5931                  <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: question for circ-plus

Susie, could you please send this question out over Circ-plus?
This may have been discussed in the past, but I don't recall seeing
anything.  Thanks!


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We have recently purchased 3 Minolta 605z reader-printers with
coin-ops that will only allow the user to put in exact change, and
will not give change.  For obvious reasons we are now thinking of
upgrading to a more sophisticated coin-op system, one that will allow
the user to use any amount of change, a dollar bill, or even a venda-car
Does anyone know of a vendor who sells such a system that would be
compatible with these printers, besides a Minolta dealer?  Any
suggestions?  Thanks.
.
Becky Albitz
Media Librarian
University of Iowa Libraries
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Subject:      Re: (Copy) question for circ-plus

We have Minolta 605s (7) copiers for public use and we have vendacard units
on all of them. (We use the vendacard units because it is very easy to use
and you don't have to worry about exact change).. We buy our units directly
from the manufacturer (it is cheaper, the copier dealers usually will like to
sell it to you)...The Company name and address is:: XCP INC,40 Elm Street
P.O Box 819, Dryden NY 13053. Tel: 607 844 9143 (Ask for David Richman
or a sales rep). If you need further information you can contact me directly.

Hannah Ahmed
Coordinator Circulation Systems
Wallace Library
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Rochester Institute Of Technology
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From:         Doris Weingart <WEINGART@UCRVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      document delivery

We here at UC Riverside-Rivera Library are exploring the idea
of an on-campus document delivery service.  I would like to hear
from libraries which have implemented such a service.  Specifically,
I would like to know:
              1.  To whom is the service available?  Faculty;
                  grads; undergrads;other?
              2.  Do you charge for the service?  IF so, for
                  what do you charge, and how much?
              3.  How do users place their requests with the
                  document delivery service: e-mail; campus mail;
                  phone; in-person?
I would appreciate answers to these questions and am interested
in any other information you would care to provide.  Please
respond directly to me.  Thank you.

Doris Weingart
Head, Circulation Services
Rivera Library-UC Riverside
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:54:32 PST
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From:         Wendy Calwhite <calwhitw@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renewal with book in hand

From: "ALLISON L. GOULD" <PGOULD@OBERLIN.BITNET>

>I've been following this discussion with interest and just can't help but add
>my two-cents worth on this notion of incoveniencing faculty.  We seem to be

>......

>here, to spend a bit of time keeping on top of things now.  The vast majority
>of our faculty return the books when asked; for the rest, after their one
>automatic renewal for one semester, we do a pick-up and delivery.

Bill:
>Allison, I would submit that you are NOT 'inconveniencing' the faculty
>by doing a pickup and delivery....you are, in the final analysis,
>inconveniencing the library staff.  I wish I had the personnel to
>run after the faculty and manage their collections for them, but
>if services are to be prioritized...that one will be next to the bottom
>of the pile, right above 'buy book drops'.

<><><><><>
I heartily agree with Bill.  I have seen too many times the faculty gettin
privileges that inconvenience other staff and patrons.  Students can't get the
materials they need for a class because some professor has it checked out for a
year and has gone on sabbatical.  Or if the item is recalled, the professor
brings it back when s/he wants.  In the meantime, the students blame the library
because the item is unavailable and the professor punishes the student (i.e.
lower grade) because the item is unavailable.  The university library is NOT in
existence merely for the use of faculty.  The university library must learn to
balance the needs of the many, not just give in to the few.
<><><><><>

Also from Bill:
>Let them bring their own books back....they came to get them, didn't they?

<><><><><>
Actually, I think most of them sent their TA's or RA's.

Wendy
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:02:52 -0500
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From:         SHONTZ%ATHENA.DECNET@UTHSCSA1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Renewal with book in hand

The major concern of Access Services is to allow library users to share a scarce
   resource.  We are charged with the responsibility of creating and enforcing
rules that balance the need of one individual to have an item vs. other individ-
   uals having access to it, now or later.  The specific ways in which we do thi
   s
(loan periods, renewals, fines, etc.) are in many ways arbitrary.
This will all change when electronic storage of documents becomes more common.
One of the more innovative ideas I have heard about is that of "site-licensing"
documents based on anticipated use, and allowing patrons to read them at their
home terminals or in the library.
Thus Access Services works its way out of business.  Access to a document is
now between the Acquisitions and Systems departments.  Caring for the remaining
print items becomes a matter for preservationists.  Access Services' remaining
functions would be more along the lines of building security and gatekeeping
to ensure that only users covered by the site license use the materials.
Whither Access Services then?

David Shontz
UT Health Science Center-San Antonio
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:59:00 EDT
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From:         "ALLISON L. GOULD" <PGOULD@OBERLIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Renewal with book in hand

I've been following this discussion with interest and just can't help but add
my two-cents worth on this notion of incoveniencing faculty.  We seem to be
forgetting our obligations to the entire population of users.  I would much
rather "inconvenience" a faculty member by going to his/her office once a
year, if necessary, picking up the library books, renewing them (and how many
of us haven't had the experience that magically many of the books can just
be returned?), returning them to the office, and in the process confirming that
the books are still on campus somewhere (I'll now pause to take a breath) than
to recall a book for someone and have to explain how the book, which professor
X has CLAIMED to have for the past 5 years, is in fact long gone -- and if
we'd known that sooner we could have replaced it while it was still in print.
It is our obligation to be pretty confident of where our books are, and even
if only a few professors are _________________ (absent-minded, lazy,
disorganized, malicious) they can do some damage to the interests of their
colleagues and, often more horribly, their students.  And who gets blamed when
the recall doesn't work?  The library.  It's in our best interests, at least
here, to spend a bit of time keeping on top of things now.  The vast majority
of our faculty return the books when asked; for the rest, after their one
automatic renewal for one semester, we do a pick-up and delivery.

Allison Gould
Head of Circulation
Oberlin College Library
Oberlin, OH 44074
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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Renewal with book in hand

>I think that for faculty/staff taking the book away and bringing it back
>serves as one more reminder that the book belongs to the library, not
>in their personal collection.


But here again....why are policies/procedures being instituted
which penalize the majority because of the irresponsibility of
a minority?  Clearly there is a middle ground which would
enhance access to materials but would offer some clout to
circ staff in dealing with miscreants.

For students, a simple blocking of registration or transcript
release usually does the trick.  For faculty, who knows?  It
depends on the institutional atmosphere.  Some places treat
faculty like royalty...some treat them like regular staff.
But in any case, there will always be a few who attempt to
abuse the system.  But most, by and large, are pretty
responsible folk.

Rustbelt
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Date: 15 Sep 92 17:16:00 GMT
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>Thus Access Services works its way out of business.  Access to a document is
>now between the Acquisitions and Systems departments.  Caring for the remaining
>print items becomes a matter for preservationists.  Access Services' remaining
>functions would be more along the lines of building security and gatekeeping
>to ensure that only users covered by the site license use the materials.
>Whither Access Services then?

>David Shontz
>UT Health Science Center-San Antonio

This sounds suspiciously the forecast that an automated library
system would end paper-shuffling.  NOT.

There have been, are now and always will be those who demand the
print item.  Here are a couple of technology-based predictions
made in the past.  You decide:

1) Television will make radio obsolete.
2) Cable TV will kill the theaters.
3) TV news will put the newspapers out of business.
4) Aviation will make ground transportation obsolete.


and:

5) Digital presentations will make print media obsolete.

Bein' a sportin' kind of guy, I will entertain bets on the
obsolescence of Access Services.

Rustbelt Bill
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From:         "NAME JANET PATTERSON, RESERVE LIBRARY,
              UWEC" <PATTERJL@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: software for training shelvers

We purchased and tried this software.  I'm afraid it didn't suit the hoped
purpose of training students to use LC in our library.  It is very brief
with only (I believe) 10 examples.  The entire program took less than 10
minutes and I was trying to make mistakes to see what the results would
be.

I haven't seen any other software like this, and you might want to try it.
I would love it if Ms. Scherdin were to expand or develop her idea, but in
its present form it didn't solve our training needs.

Maybe we should present our problem to some computer whiz.  It appears there
is a demand out there for this type of product.

Janet Patterson
Reserve Library Supervisor
William D. McIntyre Library
University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire
(You can read about UWEC in the latest MONEY magazine!)
patterjl@uwec.edu
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UNSUBSCRIBE Gregg Sapp
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From:         SUSANNE <SANDREWS@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Current and Backfile journals

At our library we have been filing current issues with backfiles for a
number of years and the reaction is positive. All our journals ar one
floor, shelved alphabetically by title.  We are a small university-about
5500 students and a library collection of approximately 300,000 volumes with
about 2800 or so journal titles.
Susanne Andrews, Associate Librarian
Univ of Mass Dartmouth
No Dartmouth MA  02747
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Subject:      Portable barcode scanners

I am planning to purchase a portable barcode scanner and I would like
recommendations/advice concerning equipment and vendors.  Any information
would be much appreciated, but replies from NOTIS users would be very
valuable.

_______________________________________________________________________
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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: (Copy) question for circ-plus

XCP out of Dryden, NY claims compatibility for most
copiers/reader printers for a vendacard reader/bill
acceptor/change-vend unit.  There are also other
manufacturers who have equipment that is for all
intents and purposes identical to XCP's.

XCP is at 40 Elm St., Dryden, NY 13053-0818
VOX: 607-844-9143
FAX: 607-844-8031

This is for informational purposes only.  No endorsement
inended or given.

Rustbelt Bill
Rustbelt Bill
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:39:36 EDT
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From:         LEWIS@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Renewal with book in hand

I have heard Circ people declare many times that the  only way to be
sure of the condition of a book at the time of renewal is to have it
in the library, in the hands of the person renewing it.  The argument is
more realistic for undergrads who could put off the inevitable of paying
for a damaged book by renewing the book without showing it to Circ staff.
I think that for faculty/staff taking the book away and bringing it back
serves as one more reminder that the book belongs to the library, not
in their personal collection.

julie Lewis
Lewis@morekypr
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From:         Melissa Jadlos <MJADLOS@STLAWU.BITNET>
Subject:      software for training shelvers

For those of you who are interested in the IBM PC program Learning LC
Call Number Order, it is no longer available through Calico Company.
After several phone calls, I tracked down the author, Mary Jane Scherdin,
who said that she would sell copies of the program from her home.  If you
would like a copy, send $29.95 to:  Mary Jane Scherdin
                                    6111 Winnequah Rd.
                                    Madison, WI 53716
                                    phone 608-222-4149



MELISSA JADLOS
ACCESS SERVICES/REFERENCE LIBRARIAN
ST. LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY
CANTON, NY 13617
315-379-5479
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From:         SHONTZ%ATHENA.DECNET@UTHSCSA1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: (Copy) question for circ-plus

Wiring a debit card reader to the Minolta reader printers is not overly difficul
   t for a copy vendor to do.  If you are currently using a debit card vendor wh
   o
claims not to be able to do this, consider making it part of the specifications
for your next contract.  Vendacard and Alldata are two company names that come
to mind, as well as Danka industries.  Only Alldata was at Annual.

David Shontz
UT Health Science Center-San Antonio
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Subject: Interested in 'Information Navigator' discussion group ?
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:23:44 GMT
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.


[I have cross-posted this somewhat, for a wide dispersion.
 Sorry if you see it more than once. ]

We are looking to start an informal e-mail conference 
for swapping ideas, etc. on the 'Information Navigator' 
database software (sold by IME Systems, Inc.), similar to the
listserv's for BRS (brs-l) or NOTIS, etc. 

[For those of you who don't know, 'The Information 
 Navigator' is a library catalog software product, avail. in
 DOS and UNIX versions,  with several hypertext-like features. 
 But, then, this message isn't specifically addressed to you :-) . ]
 
The group would exit as a forum for asking  (and perhaps
getting answered) 'how did you do this?' or 'has anybody 
else seen this bug?', etc. ?

For now, please write back to me (don't post, for heaven's
sake!) and let me know that you're interested; mention
what version of the product you are running, and in
what hardware configuration.

Thanks. Please feel free to repost or forward to appropriate
individuals or groups.

Dave Davis, ddavis@ma30.bull.com (Internet)
These are my opinions & activities alone

QOTD:

There are Russians in the front yard, there's Martians on the ceiling
There's a Cape buffalo on the patio and you ask me how I'm feeling
There's a sniper by the swingset, the highway has been mined
Then here you come with a great big smile singing, rise and shine.

Well, there's nothing you could say that will get me up today
Nothing you have ever said that can drive me from this bed
You can call me lazy, crazy, call me stupid, I don't care
I ain't gettin' up, cause its dangerous out there.
			Bill Morrissey
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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Renewal with book in hand

From: "ALLISON L. GOULD" <PGOULD@OBERLIN.BITNET>

>I've been following this discussion with interest and just can't help but add
>my two-cents worth on this notion of incoveniencing faculty.  We seem to be

>......

>here, to spend a bit of time keeping on top of things now.  The vast majority
>of our faculty return the books when asked; for the rest, after their one
>automatic renewal for one semester, we do a pick-up and delivery.



Allison, I would submit that you are NOT 'inconveniencing' the faculty
by doing a pickup and delivery....you are, in the final analysis,
inconveniencing the library staff.  I wish I had the personnel to
run after the faculty and manage their collections for them, but
if services are to be prioritized...that one will be next to the bottom
of the pile, right above 'buy book drops'.  Please don't interpret this as
a flame....but I find it difficult to see these kinds of 'extended
services' in this era of cost-cutting.  Let them bring their own books
back....they came to get them, didn't they?  Rather put the effort
into extending services to the disabled, collection management, or
whatever is suffering in these times of 'big responsibility / little
funding'.

Rustbelt Bill
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