From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Gay Child Molesters (Re: Youth Info Needed)
Followup-To: ba.politics
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:20:38 GMT

In article <143744@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> wbs@mred.llnl.gov (William B. Schaefer IV) writes:

(with a moral blindess that approaches infamy)

    >With self-righteousness that Pat Robertson would be proud of:
    >
    >In article <1992Dec17.195153.3443@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com
    >(Phil Ronzone) writes:
    >
    ><NAMBLA stuff deleted>
    >
    >>... You are vile, your issues are vile, and I wish a nasty
    >>death for you -- say, via rape by large Hell's Angels. Then
    >>maybe you can get a whole new perspective in life.
    >>
    >The NAMBLA discussion was one of opinion and perspective. No
    >actions were advocated nor discussed. Phil, you advocate a
    >violent and illegal act. Who is the villan here?

Is English NOT your native language? I advocated nothing. I expressed
my own personal desires. If I had said "Let's string him up boys",
that would be advocacy.


    >And the light of knowledge continues:
    >
    >>Ugh, let's get this straight. NAMBLA members want to fuck
    >>little children.
    >>
    >How do you know? Do you just *assume* this because "age of
    >consent" is mentioned? The only one mentioning sexual acts
    >was you...

1. My first exposure to NAMBLA was via a 60 Minutes episode on them.
   The nature of what they were, as well as the recent piece I posted
   on the Santa Clara Sheriffs office on NAMBLA makes it clear that
   NAMBLA is an organization devoted to having sex with children.

2. Ask Mr. Radow just how LOW he wants the age of consent to be. You will
   get no straight answer (anymore) because Mr. Radow knows that he
   kills any credibility whatsoever if he answers that there should be
   no limit.

3. Ask Mr. Radow what the standard line is for "what is consent". Again,
   you will get no answer -- because consent seems to be whatever "they"
   can get a child to do with rasing a fuss.

    >>... They use the word consent, but does offering a lollipop
    >>to a 5-year old so you can touch their "pee-pee" constitute
    >>consent?
    >>
    >You create a hypothetical situation and then condem someone
    >for it. Please! We are not 5-year olds here, so let's not use
    >schoolyard logic!

Precisely -- we are NOT 5 year olds, so we can decide whether or not
to have sex for candy. In Sanat Clara county, the majority of child
molestors arrested have NAMBLA literature in their possesion. Either
the molestors are very civic minded and that just happens to be a
coincidence that they all chose NAMBLA to exercise their political
rights, or they like NAMBLA because they want it made easier to
fuck little kids.

    ><Comparison of NAMBLA to Nazis>
    >
    >ACK! Nazis adovated specific violent acts against people.
    >These acts occured and were obscene! Any comparison of group
    >that merely presents an alternate opinion (no matter how
    >distasteful you may find it) to the Nazis is absurd.

Your are ignorant. The NAZIs were VERY careful about they actually
put in print. "Mein Kampf" does not advocate the use of force against
the Jews. Indeed, NAZI propaganda was rarely violent at all. Racial
purification, strength through joy, work makes free, all of this
was just not violent stuff.

    >>Come on now... do you REALLY not know what NAMBLA is about???
    >>
    >Do you?
    >
    >Phil, you are wrong and you are a bigot. Now be quite, I have
    >work to do.

Are you a member of NAMBLA? Do you have a problem with preventing
adults haveing sex with children? Do you deny that NAMBLA has or
once had the slogan "sex before eight or it's too late"?

Golly Mr. Wizard, "sex before eight or it's too late". I remember vividly
Mike Wallace asking whatever slimeball was running NAMBLA at the time
if he really felt it was moral to have sex with children before eight.

Of course, as I am obviously a bigot per your twisted worldview, I guess
I must be ALL WRONG to get upset at "sex before eight or it's too late".

And obviously, you don't.



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