From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (28th)
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:12:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.203210.15053@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>> rdc@netcom.com (Roger "Im not racist, i just hate arabs" Carasso) Spews:
>
>>
>>ISRAEL IS A DEMOCRACY.  AND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DEMOCRACY, YOU HAVE TO
>>BE A CITIZEN TO VOTE.  ALL ARABS WHO WERE IN ISRAEL IN 1948 BECAME
>>CITIZENS AND COULD VOTE.  ALL OTHERS FLED.
>>
>
>Democracy or not, Roger, Isreal is in FLAGRANT VIOLATION of dozens of UN
>resolutions, including the very resolution that created the Isreali state.
>
>And until there is an Arab government in this area co-existing with the 
>Israeli government, they will still be in violation. regardless of what 
>the arabs do, if Israel does not allow the creation of a Palestinian state,
>they are in violation of international law.
>
>Case closed, NEXT.

Rob,

You are obviousely miss informed.

1) The original condition (refugee camps, ect...) of the population of the WB
and Gaza are due to the Arab counties annexing the land designated for the
Palastineans (from `48 to 67`).  The UN decreed this land was for the creation
of the independant state of Palastine, however Jordan, Egypt et al decided 
differently.

2) Shortly after the WB/Gaza fell into Israel's domain (`67) Israel DID offer
the Palastineans autonomy (70's).  They turned it down.  The Palastinean stance
called for the complete destruction of Israel, no negotiations, no recognition,
ect... . There was no one for Israel to talk to, those that listened were (are)
killed by fellow Palastineans.  The blame for situation in the WB lies with the
Arab leaders who have been opting for violent instead of peaceful solutions to
to the WB/Gaza situation.

3) The U.N. resolutions call for return of MOST not all land for peace.  Israel
offer ALL the land (except E. Jerusalim) to the Arabs in the 70's for peace.
The Arab responce was NO NEGOTIATION.  Now the stance is give us back ALL the
land we lost and THEN we will decide whether we will give you peace. This of
course is ridiculious.  If I want to buy your car do I say, give me you car 1st,
then we can discuss if I am willing to give you any money? Of course if I 
decide I do not want to pay you anything, I still get to keep your car. 

Fortunately it appears as if true negotiations are starting to "break out" in
the current round of peace talks.  Hopefully something will come of it.

4) I for one did not/do not support settlements in the WB/Gaza.  However 
consider how the lands came to Israel.  Time and time again Arab countries
have tried to destroy Israel, not rule, but destroy.  Not govern the Israelis
but murder them.  In 67' they lost yet another war of destruction, with it
they lost the WB, Gaza, Sinai.  Israel traded the Sinia back to Egypt for peace.
It OFFERED the same with the WB and Gaza but the PLO refused and continued it's
campiagn of terrorism.  Now after offering autonomy for ~20 year the Israelis
began offering less.  Does Arafat et al get to turn down (out of hand) a
peaceful solution, kill countless civilians (Isreali, US, European), then after
20+ years of terrorism say "oops, just kidding, please give me everything you
offered in the 70s"?

5) The UN resolutions called for trading land for peace.  Israel offered a land
for peace deal and the Arabs turned it down.  If they can't get any takers why
are they in violation of anything.

6) Isn't it pretty hypocritical of the Arabs to ignore the UN resolutions that
created Israel and Palastine, but continually point to 242/244 which calls "for
land for peace".  They are asking for land but do not offer peace, they are 
asking for enforcement of only the parts of resolutions that call for Israel to 
give up land, while they do not offer to comply with the the other parts that
direct them to give peace. 
 
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Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com