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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:46:13 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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arromdee@godel.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
> ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor) writes:
>>I can assert the truth of the Odyssey while denying the actual existence 
>>of Odysseus [etc]
> 
> The kind of truth that you are talking about is not the kind of truth 
> relevant to my criticism.

	One might say that your criticism isn't relevant to Sandman.
> 
>>If this prevents you from enjoying the story, then you shouldn't read
>>the story.  Not everybody has to like everything.
> 
> It's odd that when I criticize something like LSH, nobody tells me "if you
> don't like it, stop reading it, but shut up about it".  

	That *is* odd, because that's what I myself have gotten a number of
times when I complain about the Legion.

> Yet I find it difficult to read the above as other than exactly that, 
> applied to Sandman.  Why can I not continue to verbalize my problems with 
> Sandman just as with any other comic?

	Please do, in fact; while your criticisms may not be
extraordinarily relevant to what Sandman means to most Sandboys, they
are nonetheless perceptive in their own way, and therefore worthwhile.
Asking the question is half the answer, and a rare talent.
-- 
"Once a boy becomes a man, he's a man all his life, but a woman is only
sexy 'til she becomes your wife."--Al Bundy
  
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Death #1 comments
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:08:13 GMT

In article <PETRI.WESSMAN.93Jan20134939@lk-hp-20.hut.fi> Petri.Wessman@hut.fi writes:
>On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 07:31:32 GMT, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) said:
>
>Dani> (If you were the greatest of the Fallen, and you could go anywhere
>Dani> in the multiverse, barring the Silver City, and Earth weren't the
>Dani> center of creation, would you retire to Australia?)
>
>I might. They have fantastic beer :-)
>
You jest, surely? The stuff that makes it to Britain is foul.

Mike
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:50:00 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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	When Death met Capax, she said "You got a lifetime.  That's all
anyone gets."
	When Dream told Delirium they were going to see Orpheus, he called
him "very young".
	Thereupon, the meaning of the title is made clear:  All lives are
brief, compared to the Endless.
-- 
"Once a boy becomes a man, he's a man all his life, but a woman is only
sexy 'til she becomes your wife."--Al Bundy
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Sandman: No chocolate for dogs
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:15:45 GMT

>Dogs should not be given chocolate. 

Dogs shouldn't be asked to comment on paintings, either.  Their
color sense is notoriously limited.


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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 40
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:51:37 GMT

In article <C16IKn.DEJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
> mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
> > sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin) writes:
> >|>
> >|> MAIDEN -- The first Eve (The nameless)
> 
> >Nope. Nameless "died" in Metal Men.
> 
> Mike, you've completely confused me, you know that?

He's making a comics otaku joke.  "Nameless" was a late addition to the
Metal Men who was, well, never named (although I seem to recall the name
"Tina", for some strange reason).  She died saving someone from something
or other.

> Didn't your mother ever tell you it's not nice to
> confuse people, especially young, single college coeds?

No, it's not nice.  But it sure is *fun*!!  B-)

> You don't get to date as often if you do.

<OOF!>  Now that hurts...
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From: kelly@FNALO.FNAL.GOV
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC:  Missed Deadlines
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:40:04 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Reply-To: kelly@FNALO.FNAL.GOV
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 fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) says:
>
>>Recently, people have been bitching about how late some titles are;
>>the Image books, Miracleman, On a Pale Horse...  
>
>Is Miracleman actually late, or are we referring to its
> one per 3 months normal schedule?  I can never tell.
>
>>So, in your opinion, which title has the worst record, and why?
>
>Well, Miller + Darrow's _Hard Boiled_ #3 was a full
> year late.  They even mentioned it on the cover.

Ignoring the obvious vaporware classics such as The Immortal Dr. Fate #4,
Mage II, et al. I recall that Fragile Creature #4 shipped exactly 53 weeks
after Fragile Creature #3. (This makes FC eligible for a 1992 squiddy,
believe it or not). It seems like Mu Press' Balance of Power is on the
same schedule as A Distant Soil, even if twice the number are available...
it was first shipped in 1990.

Other classics I recall waiting for...Miracle Man 15-16 sticks in my mind,
as does V for Vendetta 9-10 (Even if the difference in waiting between 
them was an order of magnitude). 

I must admit, I always find this a fun topic, mainly because most of the
books RACMers remember waiting for are of a high quality, but also because
it allows us to remember other things about those times, e.g. why I recall
that Concrete:Fragile Creature took as long as it did. Sure I can remember
plenty of times that Justice League was a week or two behind schedule, but
nowadays it doesn't seem as 'important' to me as when the last issue of
Elementald (pre-Rev) went out on May 8, 1990. 

Ah, memories. Who needs 'em?  |P

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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:33:50 GMT

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>I remember an installment of WN? where they were talking about making "real
>life" dungeons. It had players roaming around in subway tunnels, a
>"magic-user" who was busy pulling rabbits out of his hat to feed to the

I've gotta go with this.  No other comic I've read has even close to
the "humor density" as What's New? With Phil and Dixie, Vol 1.

Other good ones:
	Groo
	Buck Godot
	Slapstick
	Cerebus (not all the time, but...)
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From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (Jim Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:10:13 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
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lawrence@express.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence) writes:
>	For those out there who think that DC has finally done
>*something* original with the Justice League, I have four words:
>	MARVEL'S ... SQUADRON ... SUPREME ... MAXI-SERIES
You think *this* was original?  Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!

>Marvel's been there, done that ... and probably *FAR* better than we're
>going to see in JLA with that (&*&^$^&%*!!@ Jurgens at the helm!
Oh, Squadron Supreme was supreme, all right, but a supreme *what*
I'm not going to say.

>	THE NEW DC: WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT THE *READERS* THINK!
*I*, for one, don't give a shit what *you* think.

>(Don't say I didn't warn you!)
>Saint.
But, you didn't warn us about anything, especially the amount of
intellect and thought you put into your post.

*I* have four words for you...
GET ... A ... LIFE
(The fourth word is left as an exercise for the reader)

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From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Colors in JLA #72
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:37:01 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@tw1.samsung.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

I have to agree that the story is a dreamscape created by Dr. Destiny.
But I have a theory about it as well.

What are the odds that DC (and Jurgens) are showing us what the JLA would
be like without the positive "boyscout" influence of .... Superman?
The story is either post-superdeath or Superman is just not around in this
bit of action in Dr. Destiny's mind. Is there some lesson we're supposed
to learn from this? That perhaps Superman is the "goodness regulator"
for all DC superheroes?

Also, as for the dark-n-gritty(tm) JLA, did anyone else notice that
everyone's costume is a darker, more shadowy version of the original?
Look at them, not one character has bright reds or blues. The Flash is
in all black. Firestorm's red atom-dots are maroon, as are J'onn J'onzz's
suspenders and belt, as are The Atom's whole costume. All the colors are
darkened and toned down. Symbolically representing their "badness" I 
would surmise.

And just why would The Martian Manhunter feel the need to point out that 
he's "even more powerful than Superman"? Modesty has ever been J'onn's
strong point, almost to a fault.

Anyway, just more of my musings on the new old Justice League. But I still
say the story is ripping off the Squadron Supreme's "Utopian Principle"
arc.

Saint.`
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Annotated Future Imperfect (Long)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:32:10 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan25.231251.21553@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (THE SCAVENGER STRIKES BACK) writes:
>In article <74260@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>A)  Yes, that's the nega-bands as a planter (they've been in Rick's apartment
>>since sometime around issue #379 or so--as a matter of fact, they're in #403)
>
>As somone else mentioned, weren't the nega-bands destroyed durring
>Operation: Galactic Storm?  But then again, knowing how PAD felt about 
>O:GS, I guess it doesn't matter.
>
>----SCAVENGER is wondering if there were maybe 2 sets, one for Rick and one
>for Mar-vell?

Obscure Trivia Lad believes there were, indeed, two sets.  Rick had his
set, which he used to switch places with Mar-Vell.  But, when Mar-Vell
was in the Negative Zone, he was also wearing a pair (at least, Obscure
Trivia Lad thinks he was).

-- 
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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Lone Wolf & Cub fate
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:17:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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frosty@world.std.com (Robert J Nunez) says:

>I am a fan of LW&C and am sad that no futher issues have been released. 
>Does anyone know if another company might pick up where First Publishing

Same story as all the other First titles, yes?
 We'll have to wait for a wealthy patron.

>Does anyone know if any movies or TV series based on LW&C can be obtain
>for home video or otherwise (and how to obtain them)?

There's several movies based on the LW+C legend, 
 including Shogun Assassin + Lightning Swords of
 Death (Americanized titles, I assume).  I've seen
 them in the video store, once in a long while.  
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From: mstailey@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael David Stailey)
Subject: Re: Image..., sigh!
Originator: mstailey@l_cae02
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:52:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


|> 1) Has Anyone besides me noticed that "Spawn" is teh only image title
|> coming out on some regular sort of basis?

   So true... what ever happened to CYBERFORCE #2 and WETWORKS #1????


   -- 
   Michael
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From: bards_n@azalea.cs.odu.edu (Nathan Bardsley)
Subject: Re: Sandman - Bring on the C's
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:07:44 GMT

>I've always thought that Destruction sort of contained his opposite all
>along (in the sense of "out with the old, in with the new").  Death,
>Destiny, and Dream it seems like the quality doesn't lead to the
>opposite but rather opposes it.  With the younger three you could take
>either position.

I don't think there's any doubt that all the Endless contain their
oppposite.  We've seen Dream enforce reality on people, Death is
always present at the beggining of life, and I have no doubt that
Destiny could remove events from his book if he wished.  The 'D'
names, and whatever opposites you choose, are mutually defining.
Contentment is the absence of desire just as light is the absence of
dark, and vice versa.

Don't let me spoil the fun, though. <g>  Maybe something here will
lead to a satisfactory explanation on the difference between Dream
and Delirum, which is something that I don't have a good grip on.
-- 
Nathan Bardsley -- bards_n@cs.odu.edu
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Annotated Future Imperfect (Long)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 03:33:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1jprcgINNdd6@male.EBay.Sun.COM> zombie@EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>>- Wonder Woman's Tiera (3rd shelf above where Rick is sitting)
>
>Huh?  This is OK with DC?  Maybe it belongs to someone else.

They probably belong to Power Princess of the SS.  ;-)

--MikE...gonna print out the AFI and take it home to compare with the
book tomorrow.

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From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuckingham Palace)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #63
Originator: jordan@castor
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:48:46 GMT

blr3r@Virginia.EDU (Brian L. Rust) writes:
>	While I agree that Ennis is inserting his own political
>views into the series, I took the Thatcher reference to be just a
>nod to her "Demon Yuppie" supporters, from all the way back in
>issue #4 (I think...it might have been 3 or 5).  That's where
>"Hellblazer" began to have a distinct political slant, and I
>dont think Ennis is doing much more than continuing the
>tradition.

Well, I haven't read the issue in question, yet.  But, seeing how
Ennis is an Irish writer (who has written at least one graphic novel
that I know of about the conflict in Northern Ireland; I believe it's
called "Troubled Souls" and I would very much like to read it) I think
his opinions on the royal family and Margaret Thatcher might be a bit
more "unfriendly" than a British writer like Delano's.  Of course,
neither one of them spoke very highly of them, ever.  (Nor do I, but 
that's just me, and I don't write for a comic book.)

Dani Zweig said there's been too much of Ennis' comments on "class" in
the book; I don't think it's anti-upper class as much as anti-British.
And, I'm glad he's using the forum to actually express his opinions...
for one, it's part of what makes Hellblazer more adult reading than standard
comic book fare, and I think a lot of people could stand to be enlightened
about what the situation really is like in England and Northern Ireland.

I just wish that that was what Ennis was really doing.  Instead, I think
he's trying to stay in with the "Hellblazer mood" and trying to fit his
politics in with that, and it hasn't worked so far.  The Royal Blood story-
line was abominable -- it was unoriginal, far from subtle, and just a
impotent jab against the royal family instead of a real social comment.
I think there's plenty of room in Hellblazer for socio-political commentary,
and I believe that Garth Ennis is talented enough to do it well, even though
I haven't seen it yet. 

I mean -- he's a fellow Pogues fan, so he must have good taste.

Chuck "Rake at the Gates of Hell" Jordan

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From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Update about upcoming issues.
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:35:53 GMT

 jhildebr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:

>	As an interesting side note, Neil is not only very familiar with
>Usenet, but from something he said it sounds like he sees a lot of the
>postings that are made here. (Either he's got an account somewhere or else
>someone's forwarding postings to him.) And he said that the only thing that
>had really annoyed him from Usenet was during A Game of You when someone
>looked up Murphy in the OED, and then posted it without any spoiler warnings.

Oh Puh-lease! (Hey...if I gave PAD a 'puh-lease' NG deserves one too ;) If 
he didn't want us looking in the OED, he shouldn't have used it...or maybe
he should just check the OED before naming characters from it...after all
that's where I first learned the big secret about Fiddler's Green



that it was a place! 

Actually its nice to hear that some of the more respected creators (Sim,
Gaiman, Marder, et al.) are being put in touch with the net. Now if
only we could get Matt Feazell to check out RACm...wait! I know! We'll
just ask a farmer!

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From: xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.sandman
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:07:59 GMT
Organization: IMAGEN

In article <1993Jan25.174955.1194@psych.toronto.edu> michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:

>
>Although Sandman itself may not justify a new newsgroup, certainly there
>is enough interest in "mature" comics (Vertigo and its ilk, along with
>limited runs and one-shots like _Maus_ or Gaiman's _Signal to Noise_)
>to consider rec.arts.comics.mature.  What do folks think?

Sure!  Someone, work up an RFC.

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From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Anybody likes Youngblood?

Well, wait a minute.  Dale Keown isn't credited for writing Pitt.  Brian
Hotton is listed.  So it wasn't a desire to write his own stories that
convinced Dale to leave Hulk.  It's hard to believe that he left working
with PADt to draw  stories for this guy.  It is obviously for the extra bucks
and no artistic reasons whatsoever.
                                                --Eric
From: rauchfuss@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Brian Rauchfuss)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:31:22 GMT
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Lucien's library
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:

> Cordwainer Smith:
> 	The Lords of the Afternoon
> 	The Robot, the Rat, and the Copt

I'd love to read these!

> Robert Louis Stevenson"
> 	The real ending to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

I never heard that Rob ever intended to change the end, I
thought it told exactly what he wanted.

> Mervyn Peake:
> 	Titus Triumphant

Ah, wonderful writing, but I ran out of steam halfway through _Titus Alone_,
so I would have never gotten to it.

Sorry about the random, non-comic statements.

Brian Rauchfuss
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: I miss Krypto the superdog or Damn, that Crisis anyway!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:33:06 GMT

In article <1k6saeINN2vr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
>
>You know, I really miss Krypto.  He was a great character.
>Everytime he showed up, it made the issue for me.
>And then Byrne comes along and gets rid of him.
>Geez, I'm depressed. (I know, it's only a commic book.)

Hey, at least Krypto has a chance of coming back - what about Beppo the 
Supermonkey or Comet the Superhorse? And I suppose you don't even want
to consider Batdog. Sigh . . . 
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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #41
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:29:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I'm not an expert by any means but seem to recall that occaisionally
gender is determined in the womb.  That is, certainly chemical factor
can occasionally affect the influence of chromosomes supplied by the father.
Please ignore the "ly" I just mean to say "certain chemical factors."
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