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From: dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer)
Subject: Re: Bayliner Boats
Summary: Not about bayliners per se...
Reply-To: teroach!dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer)
Organization: Motorola Analog Integrated Circuits Division
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:59:24 GMT

  I had an interesting discussion with a friend of my father whom I
bumped into in a paint store last night.  I knew he is a boat owner,
and I steered the discussion that way by mentioning I am in the process
of buying one.  He mentioned that I should have no problems with the hull,
as his, a 21 foot Sea Ray, has up to eight inches of layed up fiberglass
in stratigic areas.  He went on to mention that he had been rear-ended
while towing it by a Chevette interested in exploring the spaces between
the boat and the trailer.  Score: Sea Ray scratches, Chevette: total.
Now given that every accident is a case on to itself, this should not be
taken as proof that these boats are designed to withstand this kind of
abuse.  It does tend to indicate that they have more than the minimum
strength needed.

  It might also be worth considering the strength of the hull on a boat
that will be trailered and/or stored on a trailer.  A flexable hull might
tend to sag when not supported so evenly as the water holds it.  Of course
a thick hull is heavier, so you thick hulled types are not off the hook
either.  In either case, with winter fast approaching (ha! for all us Phoenix
types,) it would be a good time to check and adjust your trailer for the
most even support possible for the long storage period.

-Dave


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett)
Subject: Re: Porta Potti and Canada, 2nd Try...
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:15:16 GMT

From article <1992Aug19.161026.21915@cbnews.cb.att.com>, by jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller):
> 	Hi, I am planning to cruise in Canada in the western end of
> Lake Erie -- islands region. I would like to know what the regulations
> and the *realities* are concerning porta potties. I have one on board

There is no uniform regulation [concerning porta-potties] in effect
throughout Canada.  They are regulated (or not), province by province.
The only thing I can tell you for certain (because it said so in the
literature that came with my potty) is that they are banned on waters
within the province of Ontario.  I've heard that they are ok in
Quebec.  I don't know about the rest of the country.

As far the as actual *realities* of enforcement go, I can't say.
Maybe this rule is not strictly adhered to, but I've heard of other
rules being enforced with a vengance (US boats being confiscated for
owners fishing without a license).

-billp
From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Overcharging Mercury O.B.
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:28:11 GMT
	<1992Aug17.192422.8820@spss.com> <w$$vH43m!8@atlantis.psu.edu>
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division

On 17 Aug 92 19:52:03 GMT, hall@satie.psu.edu (PeggyHall) wrote:

>I have a 1985 Mercury 200 O.B. and it is charging at 16 volts.
>I have been told that a bad voltage regulator could be the problem
>  but I thought that Mercury O.B. had a (stator) type of charging
>  system. 

How did you measure the 16 volts?  With or without a battery connected?
At full throttle or at idle?  With a dash-mounted voltmeter (frequently
inaccurate) or with a known-good voltmeter?  How are the battery 
connections?

>Does this O.B. have an automotive type voltage regulator and if so,
>  can I use this type Re: Not a quicksilver part.

I don't believe this model had any sort of voltage regulator.  (I may
be wrong, though.  I haven't worked on one in several years.)  Just a
rectifier.  With a battery hooked up to mellow things out, I might
expect to see as much as 14.5 volts when running fast.  Perhaps even a
little more.  Without a battery, you might see some really high readings.
You also might blow your rectifier that way.
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson)
Subject: Re: snow goose
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:05:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <23796@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners) writes:
|> Well... Guess our life priorities are not precisely identical.  I would
|> guess I've run out of gas on the road three or four times in 35 years;
|> once in a powerboat, once with my Perkins powered sloop (bummer), and
|> just a week ago in my 3 1/2 hp dink-- doffed my shirt and *sailed* 'bout
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> a mile back to my anchored sloop.  Or perhaps its in the genes-- my
|> daughter's run out of gas three times in but five years driving.  :-)
|> Obviously, where you're motoring and the conditions have a big influence
|> on the urgency of sufficient fuel.
|> 
|> -- Bob
|> 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673

OK, Bob, priorities and conditions (eg wind shifted from astern to dead ahead)...
  (See my .sig)
But at least you took responsibility for the consequences of your choices,
and don't ask us innocent taxpayers to bail you out!  :-)

-- 

  Walter G. Wilson  (walter@watson.ibm.com)
  The opinions expressed here are my own.

  "My plans for the year all laid out...
   Ah... A dream in Springtime "
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Experience with Watkins '27
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:11:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.183114.37398@ans.net> hagens@news.ans.net (Robert Hagens) writes:
>Anyone have any comments about a sailboat known as a Watkins. I am looking
>at the 27 foot version. 

They're made only a few blocks from here, but sorry
I don't know much else about them.

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North      Gulfstar 37, aft cockpit
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Using degreaser on a boat
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:37:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug18.150527.3474@meaddata.com> gregs@meaddata.com (Greg Smith) writes:
>I'd like to know if anyone has any ideas on the ill effects of using a
>degreaser in the bilge of a boat.  I have purchased some GUNK brand
>automotive engine degreaser.
 
Other than fire and explosion? Well, yes the stuff is nasty on whatever
is down there (like wiring insulation, etc.). Heck it scars the driveway
if it's asphalt; you figure it out.

>                                  On the label is warns that is can damage
>paint and melt petrolem products.  I hesitate to use on on my fiberglass
>runabout.  I have a 17' Winner open bow with a Mercruiser 140HP I/O.  The
>problem I have is that water in the bilge gets greasy.  Then it runs toward
>the bow, through the drains, into the ski locker.  This tends to get my
>skis greasy.  I'd like to degrease the ski locker and bottom of the engine
>bilge. 

There are specialty bilge cleaners, all of which are pretty nasty (but
not as much so as GUNK).
 
However the BEST and better yet, environmentally safe (though the grease
isn't) degreaser going is "Simple Green." Believe it or not, it works
real well. It will work even better if you can get hot water flowing
through the garden hose when you do the work. Give it a shot. You'll
be amazed.

Greg
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mrc@apollo.HP.COM (Mark Campbell)
Subject: RE: Starting rec.hobie 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:47:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard (Chelmsford Systems Software Lab)

> I say leave it in rec.boats please.

I would like to second that.

Marcus

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: protest question (rule 32)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:08:17 GMT

In <16orurINNnbs@agate.berkeley.edu> John Werner <werner@soe.berkeley.edu> writes:

>In a situation like this, I think the starboard boat is required to
>try to avoid the collision.  And even if it weren't required by the
>rules, I think it's crazy to hit another boat just to prove a point.

I think that Guido's post pointed out that this does apply in a situation
where Starboard T-bones Port.  Of course Starboard should avoid.  But in
a situation where Port is t-boning Starboard there is really nothing that
Starboard can do but to hold her course.  That way Port can duck or
crash tack.

Of course, you are right.  It is crazy to hit another boat to prove a point.
But if the other boat hits you and there is no way for you to maneuver to
escape it isn't your fault for not anticipating the situation and
avoiding it.  If I could anticipate situations in advance I would never
lose a race!  (I just love it when a barger capsizes on your boat pinning
his mast _behind_ a boat to leeward of you giving you no chance of escape--
this actually happened just this year)

Will
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From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding
Keywords: QE II Grounding
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:34:02 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <BssJ1t.4oE@apollo.hp.com>, burati@apollo.hp.com (Mike Burati) writes:
> Ok, lets see how good the memory is.  I took a look at it on my chart last
> night (w/out dividers so it was only by eye) and it didn't look anywhere
> near shallow enough for them to have hit.

  According to the local paper, which naturally has marine experts on its
  staff :-) ,  an investigation of the bottom where the grounding propbably
  occurred showed various uncharted "rocks" and "shallow areas".  ....who
  knows...


  pavlov@fstrf.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: swist@doodly.mcc.dec.com (Jim Swist)
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding
Reply-To: swist@took.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:30:11 GMT

I don't understand this at all.  This billion dollar boat full of people is
going WOT in water 39 feet with a draft of 34 feet?  This is approx the
same as me taking my elcheapo boat with a draft of 3' into water 3' 5"
deep at full throttle.       What's wrong with this picture?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: protest question (rule 32
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:43:56 GMT

In <1992Aug17.145421.2356@spss.com> bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley) writes:


>If SW was windward of the boats that had to alter course, then SW
>foulded them. If SW was to leeward, then they were obliged to give her
>room. 

I'm not sure about this.  If you are leeward then you are overtaking boat
and have to keep clear.  If you are windward then you don't have to
do anything until an overlap is established.

But, if you are moving backwards, the leeward boat is still the
overtaking boat.  So if you are to windward and moving backwards
the leeward boat has to keep clear until they have an overlap.

>In Jobson and Whiddens book on tactics, Jobson specifically mentions
>this... sail backwards towards someone (maintaining a constant course
>I suppose). If his bow hits your stern, he violated 37.2. If his
>leeward touches your windward, he's also violated 37.1. Jobsons
>analysis, not mine!
 Sounds right to me.

Will
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:43:52 GMT

In article <26100020@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Benjamin Ellsworth) writes:
>
>>	What does one do with old, outdated, flares?  Is there a safe way
>> to dispose of them?
>
>One waits until the 4th of July and considers them expensive fireworks
>:-).  Not the safest, but the most common answer in my experience.
>
>---
>
>Ben
>

Firing off safety flares on land or when there are boats in the area is
one of the most brain-dead things that a sailor can do. Every time
I've seen people doing this, the flares have landed while they were still
burning. Come on, folks, DON'T DO IT!
From: swist@doodly.mcc.dec.com (Jim Swist)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Inboard VS. Outboard
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:23:17 GMT
Reply-To: swist@took.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

All previous comments are good stuff.  Couple of things:

I agree that modern outboards are probably more reliable than I/Os. 
(Fewer moving parts and system totally designed from top down
for this application, rather than the truck engine + marinization 
kludge).

But I think you will find this comes at a cost.  Retail price of a Johnson
140 is around $8000 and goes up to over $11000 for a 200.  Yamahas
are even more.  This is well over the cost of the equivalent I/O.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: protest question (rule 32)
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:29:46 GMT


In article <16orurINNnbs@agate.berkeley.edu>, John Werner <werner@soe.berkeley.edu> writes:
>In article <26100022@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> Benjamin Ellsworth,
>ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com writes:
>>> (Going full speed forward without course alteration can be a
>perfectly
>>> reasonable action to avoid a collision). 
>>
>>In fact it is REQUIRED.  The privileged vessel is primarily
>responsible
>>to maintain course and speed so that the burdened vessel can avoid
>>her.  In crossing and overtaking situations, any other actions are
>>bound to cause problems....
>
>I don't think this is always true.  If it is obvious that a
>collision is imminent, the privileged vessel sometimes can and
>should maneuver to avoid it.
>
I had thought (how come nobody has the RoR at work?) that the privileged boat
was still "obliged" to avoid collision by "any prudent and judicious" means.

>An example: Last summer, I was crewing on Planxty (hi Dennis) in the
>Lake Michigan PHRF championships.  We were on starboard, and a boat
>on port was trying to cross us.  It was pretty obvious (to us
>anyway) that they weren't going to make it.  Our jib trimmer, who
>was down to leeward, kept yelling "starboard", and the other skipper
>kept yelling "hold your course."  Finally the port boat's bow
>crossed ours, but there half a boatlength or less separating us. 
>Our skipper dumped the main and yanked on the tiller, and we just
>missed the other boat's stern.  If we'd kept going, we would have
>t-boned him.  Instead, we protested and got him DSQed.

And imagine how shitty you would have felt to bone him.  He's out of the race
(the eventual outcome, anyways), you're out of the race and you might even be
asking how much it costs to float a boat (too damn much, I charge by LOD, Beam
and depth).  And maybe, just maybe, someone gets torn up real bad.  In a
t-bone, I'll bet a buck your bowman would have changed boats.

>
>In a situation like this, I think the starboard boat is required to
>try to avoid the collision.  And even if it weren't required by the
>rules, I think it's crazy to hit another boat just to prove a point.

One other point, what if you are wrong?  What if the jury disagrees with you?
That's bad do-do.

>
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>UC Berkeley School of Education     510-642-9651
>
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Newsgroups: udel.bull,rec.boats
From: iseman@ravel.udel.edu (Stephen Early)
Subject: Motorboat for sale
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:49:25 GMT

FOR SALE	 1976 AMF crestliner (aluminum)

SPECIFICS

	Length			15' 11", no federal decal required 
	Engine			1982 Mercury, 115 HP, 6 cyl outboard
				rebuilt in 1991 by Bohemia Vista Marina
	Fuel tank		26 gal permanent, aluminum w/locking gas cap
	Instrumentation 	Tachometer, Speedometer, Fuel guage
	Propeller		13-1/2" x 17"p
	Trailer			1953 Gator, yes I have the title

OTHER INFO AND INCLUDED ITEMS
	
	Trailer...

	New tires last year (6 ply)
	New winch
	New bearing buddies
	New waterproof lights

	Boat...

	Completely rewired, no I didn't have any problems before doing this
	6 type I PFD's
	4 type IV PFD's
	2 Batteries with an A-B switch
	New navigation lights
	Stainless steel Danforth anchor
	1 wooden (one piece oar)
	Flares, fire extinguisher, whistle
	New control cables

PRICE	$2000.00

Please email any inquiries or call Steve at 302-292-1751 after 9:00pm EST
From: heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Super Slick protective wax
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:03:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <12730010@hpmwga.sr.hp.com>, jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown) writes:
> 
>  I have a Ski Limited catalog that has product called "super slick protective
>  wax". They claim you can gain "up to" 10% speed increase. Has anybody tried
>  this, or similar stuff and does it work? This stuff is a bottom wax and also
>  claims it inhibit alage and bottom growth.
>  Jeff Brown
I've tried most waxes in the past couple of years.  Everything from Blue Coral
to Teflon stuff.  Now I have about 2 dozen half cans of wax in my garage.
I haven't been satisfied with a wax until this year.  I tried Fleetwax,
Boat US sells it for $14.00 a can, I opt for the paste.  Anyway, it's not the
easiest stuff to use but is stays on the bottom at 80 mph.  That's a first
for me.  INstead of waxing every week, I can make it a month now for the 
bottom and I haven't had to touch the topside since March.  Has anyone
else had similar experience with Fleetwax?  Does anyone know what type
of base the wax is (Teflon or Carnuba)?

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Subject: Re: protests or using the rules
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<thompson.714344742@kiyotaki.econ.umn.edu>
	<1992Aug21.100900.13720@cs.brown.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:01:48 GMT

   >You have got to be kidding.  This would turn sailboat racing into drag
   >racing.  You might as well take up powerboat racing.  The fact that
   >sailboat racing is a _tactical_ sport is one of the main attractions for
   >me.

Many people who have never raced handicapped think this.

Sailing is also a strategic sport.  There are current and winds and
seas to consider.  I race handicap, sometimes with huge gulfs between
us and the next slowest boat, and I enjoy it greatly.

In this case, the objective is not to beat the other guy, directly,
but to sail perfectly around the course.

When we're racing like this, all the boat to boat rules are
distracting.  In general the fastest course is not to engage your
opponent at all, but some handicap racers don't realize that.  These
are the boats who luff anyone who dares them, and quibble over room at
the mark.

It's impressive how much faster you can go if you're not worried about
attacking your opponent, or how your opponent is going to attack you.
Maybe there should be two different sets of rules, one which
discourages offensive tactics and one which permits them.

Personally, I'm not wild about the colosseum atmosphere of some one
design or closely rated handicap fleet racing.  My feeling is that if
you want to go boat to boat, match race.  Combative fleet racing is
like playing frisbee in a circle of twenty people, with one disk per
person---you're going to get hit in the head when you're not looking.

Steph
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mosbrook@beach.csulb.edu (Brent Mosbrook)
Subject: Re: How to contact Tanaka 
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:40:19 GMT

I just bought some parts from them, so this info should be correct:

Tanaka Ltd.
22322 20th ave. SE
Bothell, WA  98021

(206) 486-3075

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:37:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <18263.2a8bf74a@ecs.umass.edu> jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>When my flare kit expired I waited until July 4th and went down to the
>beach with it.  My girlfriend, who was very timid about guns &etc, was
>glad to have had a chance to practice during non-emergency conditions.

Bad news. And illegal. I believe it's illegal to fire a red flare
except in case of distress, less than 20-odd miles inland. In your
case, you fired flares on the beach which, to a vessel offshore,
is indistinguishable from near the breakers.
 
I guess you'd feel pretty funny if a potential rescuer grounded,
trying to get to your distress signal, now wouldn't you?
 
Don't do it again.
 
Greg
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Re: Request to start newsgroup rec.hobie
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:17:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

Start a new group? No, don't do that.  This one is called rec.BOATS;
not rec.cruisers, or .old.salts.  Most of us are interested in almost
anything about boats as long as they are boats.

Why, we even read things written by the bass boaters ;-)  Anyone heard
from them lately?

I used to sing bass.  I did it on porpoise, just for the halibut!

B.S!