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From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Burke's Barrage
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:17:51 GMT


Lately I've been learning Burke's Barrage, with some success, and I thought
I'd have a go at describing it on the net - this is with a couple of
provisos, namely that my description'll probably leave a good deal to be
desired, and also that what I'm doing quite possibly isn't Burke's Barrage
at all (I trust the guy who's been teaching it to me, but the number of
differing versions of what people think Mills' Mess to be has left me a
little skeptical)

The first thing to learn is cross-hands tennis. This is a strange one which
is pretty easy when you've figured it out, but figuring it out can be hard.
The siteswap for this is 423, with each 3 an over the top throw,
while each 4 is an under-arm throw.

A non-siteswap description -

two balls in right, one in left - start with left hand crossed over right.
Right hand throws ball A under left arm, then throws ball B in normal left
to right over-the-top throw, and in the same motion, claws sideways on
ball A to catch it again.
Left hand then throws C under right arm, comes back to catch B, immediately
throws B back as left to right over-the-top throw.
And thats it - continue from there. To summarize, A and C are touched only
by the right and left hands respectively - underarm throws only, while B
is thrown alternately by each hand in nice over the top arcs.
Simple, yes?

Burke's Barrage, as it was explained to me is simply an extension of this.
You simply do a flourish with whichever hand isn't busy - ie immediately after
catching A or C. I think the flourish is a vertical circle, moving in the same
plane and direction as a car/bike wheel would turn if you were sitting in it
(if that makes any sense).

This part is quite hard, but I'm getting there. Does this make any sense
to anyone, and does it sound like the genuine article?

Cheers,

Andy

-- 
Andy Lewis  (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk)
Department of Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Cheap beanbags
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:10:55 GMT

	Your post didn't have an email address, so I'll reply on the
net.  A cheap and good solution is to go to Canadian Tire and buy the
Cooper street hockey balls they sell.  Maybe you can bargain for a bulk
discount.  Get each class member to cut a small incision in each ball
and fill it with 4.5 or even 5 ounces of dry rice, popcorn or some other
grain.   Use a small funnel and a small dowel to ram the filler home.
Glue the cuts shut and you have great balls for learning.

	With some old hypodermic needles, an alternative is possible.
Fill with the right amount of water for the weight you want, using a
second needle to bleed the air out as you fill.  Either of these
techniques gets you juggling cheap and fast and teaches your students
to stop relying on commerical props and making their own.  When you
have these made, pass out patterns for them to make their own juggling
bags as a group project. Who knows -- they may come up with some new
designs on their own. 
                                                      
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From: IP95420@portland.BITNET
Subject: keeping new members
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date:    Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:56:25 EDT

On the problem of keeping new club members, how about showing them some tricks
they can work on at the same time as their three balls.  A three ball drop boun
ce is easier than a regular cascade.
The follow the leader bounce isn't bad, and the follow the leader roll on the

floor is easier still, and can be done with four or five balls.  There are
several other simple tricks which novices can work on that will give them a

sense of progress.  They also serve to break the monotony of working,working,
working on the three ball cascade.
I hope someone finds this idea helpful.
Rod
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: cloister@milton.u.washington.edu (cloister bell)
Subject: what's the name of that pattern...
Summary: there must be a name for it, i just don't know it.
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:14:30 GMT

it's the two-person pattern where *every* throw, left and right hands, is a
pass straight across to your partner, such that your right hand and his/her
left hand are cascading the three clubs (albeit in sort of an odd manner) and
the same thing is happening in your left hand and his/her right.  the clubs
never switch sides, so you have two independant cascades going between your
pairs of hands.  
anyway, someone *must* have thought of this before, and it *must* have a nname,
so what is it?

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From: darwoon@fraser.sfu.ca (Rob Dar-Woon)
Subject: Starting a university juggling club
Summary: How do I go about it?
Keywords: juggling club
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:49:17 GMT

Hi everyone.  I'm interested in starting a juggling club at SFU
(I've never heard of one being here before) and was wondering
if clubs of this sort have affiliations with national or
international groups.  I've heard of the IJA(?), but are there
others?  As for other university-based clubs, how can one become
"recognized" by other clubs/groups/etc?

Thanks for any help,
Rob.

-- 
= Rob Dar-Woon   = Simon Fraser University =
= darwoon@sfu.ca = Burnaby, B.C., Canada   =

"Absence makes the heart grow fungus"
From: ragatzs@cherry.ucs.indiana.edu (steven ragatz)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Why have a club?
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:25:05 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

The I.U. juggling club has remains basically unchanged for the past
year and a half.  No new members.  Our club makes no pretenses about
"coming to the need of fellow jugglers".  We are - how shall I put it -
a clique-ish bunch.  The prime directive of our club is to provide us, 
the existing members, with a space to practice.  Those who are willing
to sweat out the ol' intimidation routine can join our club.  The better
you are or the more popular you are, the more attention you receive.
(You also get to sit in the front seat on the way to juggle fests.)  
Lots of expensive equipment helps as well.  Don't expect any help if
you juggle koosh balls.  Dube club jugglers take low priority to Todd
jugglers.

	We have come to realize that we are out for ourselves.  The core
members of the club are dedicated to juggling - not the club.  As long
as the club provides a useful service, ie. juggling space, then those
who are interested jugglers continue to be interested in the club.  As
soon as the space problem clears up (in the summer for some) then the
club becomes scattered.

	This may sound harsh but it is primarily due to the fact that
all of the core members just want to practice and socialize within the
clique.  All of the people in the club are people who would practice 
juggling without the club.  In fact, most of us prefer to practice without
the club.  Too many jugglers makes us cranky.  A couple of members even
go so far as to have "secret" practice locations on campus where they
can work and not be found by fellow club members.  (By the way, these
members know who they are.  They should also know that the Secret Society
knows ALL of the good places to juggle in Bloomington.  There is no
hiding.)

	This is not the first juggling club at I.U.  The previous club
died in '84 because the founding members became so serious that they
started practicing with or without club members.  At some point other
three ball cascades become a burden.

	The I.U. club shall continue because of each individual's 
dedication to juggling.  Pres. Vice pres. etc. we don't care.  As
it is if the "club" folded and the university kicked us out for 
breaking Rec. Sports rules (see you in October!), we wouldn't notice
any difference.

	Avoid red tape.  Just practice.

-	Steve
From: CDW10@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Dan Menendez
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:53:39 GMT
 <18o39mINNemu@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: University of Liverpool

I've watched this routine on video.   As a piano player and juggler
I'm convinced the  "piano"  is programmed to play a fixed sequence,
giving the right number of the right notes each time it's hit.

I think that both the idea and execution of this act is superb.
From: BEF104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: How can I find the FKBs?
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:48:21 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

If there anyone out there who knows how I can get in touch with the Flying
Karamazov Brothers, please send me an E-mail.  Our club would like to have
them do a show at Penn State, some time in the Spring during our 7th annual
Juggling Festival.  Thanks in advance--help is muchly appreciated.

Brian Fox BEF104@psuvm.psu.edu President, Penn State Juggling Club
From: RiViT@cup.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Cheap beanbags
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:58:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I already replied to the earlier colection subject, so I'll be brief:

Tennis balls filled with water are <great> - IMO!  Using an old
hyperdermic needle, you can fill the balls with water (the air rushing
out is sufficient to draw the water in).  A final push with the
plunger will force some additional water into the ball - a couple of
drops on ahard surface will suffice to get any additional water back
out of the ball (and the ball will seal itself).

Russell

RiViT@cup.portal.com
russ@mce.com
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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: dan menendez
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:56:28 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 66f09f74f1cf8366351d07049b5fcdd9

In article <cxvnryl.guardian@netcom.com> guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton) writes:
>C: Technique? Well to fight for Dans side, jugglers have been using
>   torches, bowlingballs, chainsaws and the like for years, JUST to
>   get the audiances aproval and attention, since we, the TV generaton
>   have been flooded with violence and sex, we've lost site of skill.
>   SKILL? If you can go from a standing juggle to a kneeling juggle while
>   bouncing 5 balls AND keeping tempo while doing so, I guess you have
>   NO skill whats soever B)

I'll second this, watch the video "Three Ball Juggling - A Visual Feast," Dan
is featured prominently and does some wonderful tricks.  Dan also has a
charming rapport with the audience whenever he performs, lots of knowing
smiles, takes, and grins.

>D: The Larch.
>D: It might annoy some people that the trick is partial trickery, BUT
>   Im sure this person also belives the chainsaws are real, the knives
>   are razor sharp and all the bowlingballs are always standard 12 pounds..
> 

The was an article, written by Kit Summers, in Juggler's World several years
ago.  Kit was describing the San Diego juggling scene and was detailing one
performer who would juggle three torches while balancing a stuffed animal on
his head WHILE balancing on a bowling ball that was perched on top of a step
ladder.  After a performance one day, some kid in the audience inspected the
step ladder and noticed that there was a little dent in top step of the step 
ladder that helped to steady the bowling ball.  The kid remarked that 'anybody
could do that...'
-- 
Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Re: Club members
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:11:46 GMT

>	Your manner of thinking seems to be "there's nothing wrong with 
>my club, most people don't stick around because that's the way the world is."
>__________________________  _      (_)  ________(_)________________________
>Phillip SanMiguel        _/  \     /  \  Purdue University Juggling Club

	You are putting words in my mouth.  I was simply reporting my
experience at a small place with a small sample over a half-dozen years.
We don't do Professor Confidence routines, but we do teach groups, give
university lectures to Phys. Ed. majors and one member teaches for the
City in the summer.  Those few who drop by are welcome, even if they are
interrupting something we might rather be doing at the time.  My
experience remains that those who come back are a small number of people
with similar characteristics long before they even see us juggling in
the gym.  Check out the thousands of Suzuki violin students and see what
percentage end up liking music enough to voluntarily play in an
orchestra.  Note that I said voluntarily.  All jugglers are volunteers
here, but attempts to "build a club" haven't been productive.

	On the other hand, maybe you are right and it is my attitude
that is flawed.

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From: RiViT@cup.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Juggler's World Magazine
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 23:49:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Can anyone tell me how to get ahold of these people (Juggler's World)?  I've
only seen their magazine once (besides the ONE IJA convention I managed to
attend - when it came by San Jose State many moons ago).

I would like the subscriptions department address and phone number, if
possible - thanks.

Russell

RiViT@cup.portal.com
russ@mce.com
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Re: Current Address of Cascade Books, please
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:02:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.054248.26873@ncsu.edu>, mohit@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar) writes:
|> 
|> for once and all, the address of cascade books is
|> 
|> Cascade Books
|> PO BOX 9008
|> Seattle, WA 98109
|> 
|> I did get "beyond the cascade" just 10 days back and don't try finding
|> their tel# since they don't seem to have any.. good luck
|> 
|> mohit

Well, for twice and all, I just spoke to the distributor (Larry Swanson)
and he informed me that the quickest way to order is to:

	Cascade Books
	P.O. Box 19297
	Seattle, Washington  98109

which happens to be the address that Terry shows in the 'vendors' file
on moocow.  I suspect that mail to all of the other addresses would
eventually get forwarded so there were never really any 'wrong' addresses --
just some that were 'less right'.

Yrag Seubert
From: RiViT@cup.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Wow
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 23:32:32 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Look what I found...  rec.juggling - imagine that!

Forgive me - as you can tell, I'm rather new to this group (find it kind
of hard to believe that I've never even seen it before, huh?).  I guess
System Admin found enough disk space to add it - cool.

My question is:  How many millions of jugglers from the Bay Area (San Jose
and Santa Clara areas) are there out there?  I would like to find another
juggler in the area semi-proficient in club juggling and exchanges -- in
short, I'd like someone to practice with much on the same level as myself.

A little about my hobby:  I've been juggling for ten years or more - but I've
never really got a lot of time to practice and get any better than what I
consider fluent with three clubs.  I able to do five balls and/or control five
rings - sometimes with exchanges and steals.  My club juggling is almost good
enough for four in a cascade pattern or five in normal insanity.  I've
juggled with Barry Bakalor (if you knew of the clubs he used to master).

Well - enough about myself.  Any takers out there?

Russell

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From: vogelges@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Ralf Vogelgesang)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: On how to keep new members (absolute beginners)
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:44:25 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department


  I'd like to say a bit more about those people who can't do anything,
but still want to learn how to juggle.  I guess, I pretty much agree with
Phil's ideas about implementing introductory classes.  Maybe even as
a non-credit university course?

  But I don't agree that there is not much one could do after the first
10-30 minutes of teaching someone to juggle.  Why do you see a 100% drop
out rate?  And why -apparently- do those people who eventually do join
the club get through all the initial stages mostly by themselves?

  IMO this is because some people do their thinking in a very independent
fashion, and they learn by observing their own body and by genuinely
reshaping their motion patterns.  I'd like to hypothesize that those who
drop out are not as self-aware as the others.  Those get frustrated
because they try and it doesn't work and they don't know of any means
to improve.
  
  There is a big problem.  We can teach the mechanics.  We cannot
'teach' how it should feel.  But we could at least try and tell them
that there is something else inside themselves they have to look
for.
It sounds a bit like a yoga lesson or something, doesn't it?  Still, I
think that's what we could 'teach' them after the first 10-30 minutes.
They should become aware of what they're doing.  Then they might be
able to correct "those throws that always go too much forward."

--Ralf
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Club members discussion
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:04:51 GMT


>	Your manner of thinking seems to be "there's nothing wrong 
with my club, most people don't stick around because that's the way 
the world is."
>__________________________  _      (_)  ________(_)________________________
>Phillip SanMiguel        _/  \     /  \  Purdue University Juggling Club

	I tried to respond before, but got dumped by the machine.  I was
explaining that Phillip was putting words in my mouth.  I was only
relating my observations at this location over a six or seven year
period.  We do indeed teach people and respond to them when they come up
to us in the gym or outside.  I teach Phys. Ed. majors a couple of
sessions a year; one member has taught for the city in the summers and
workshops for kids in other venues.  We are not unapproachable nor
are we so imposing that we scare many potential clubmembers away.
 
	I also note a similar situation with Suzuki violin classes which
teach children by the thousands and hundreds of thousands worldwide, yet
very few go on to play in either amateur or semi-professional orchestras
when they grow up.  A very small percentage will even volunteer to play 
in an orchestra when not coerced by their parents.  Many people have noted 
that a far smaller proportion of Suzuki students continue group activities 
than do students of less dedicated efforts to proselytize members.
We have no such agenda at our club, and are certainly not trying to 
create a juggling populace.  We are a place you can come twice a week 
if you are interested enough to make the effort, whatever your level of
ability or dedication.  The age range has been from about
8 to 60 and the number from 3 or 4 to about a dozen.
  
	I am quite willing to concede that my attitude is wrong, but I
do think the observations are valid.  No matter how carefully people are
nurtured, they do have minds of their own and will select their leisure
activities based on many factors that a club philosophy cannot alter
very much.  It seems more important to respond with consideration to
those who do reveal their interest and to be available to them at
whatever level is required at the time.  This is more than a bit like
most of us were treated when we began our own interest in juggling.  It
may not be ideal, but it seems to work.
                                                      
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From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Subject: Beard brand clubs--opinions wanted
Organization: Disorganization
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 04:42:08 GMT

OK, there's this guy, see, who has these clubs.  He says they are made by
"Beard", from the UK.  They are truly beautiful, the softest, nicest handles
I have ever, erm, handled.  I'd never heard of Beard before.  Does anyone know
anything about them?

He also said that Todd Smith clubs were the best thet he had used--are they
that good?

P.S. Advice: ensure your fingernails are clipped short when passing clubs.

-- 
== Bennett ================================== mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au ==
|                                                                           |
|                   If I had $1000000. . . I'd be rich.                     |
=============================================================================
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 09:37:00 EDT
From: <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Looking for 60 cheap beanbags

For the first time, the Phys. Ed. Dept. at Queen's
University, Kingston Ont. is teaching juggling
as part of the curiculum. They need twenty sets
of three beanbags (60)... and of course they had
no idea of the cost, so they budgeted $10 per set.
So they have a total of about $200 (Can.) to spend.
And of course, they waited 'til the last moment
to ask me, so we need them ASAP!

Am I dreaming? Even the klutz book is $15 in Canada.

Anyone got any ideas?  Your help would be very much
appreciated.

David Naylor