From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: On the SUPERIOR Role of Women
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 17:50:07 +0300

In: <VyDRPB8w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu: brings us something modestly called:

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In it we find:

>From: yy@corner.wpb.fl.us
>To: burks@seena.eecs.umich.edu (Timothy Burks)
>
>SO>to fill a small book!  I still have one question though.
>SO>At the risk of opening a BIG can of worms, how do Jewish
>SO>women feel about the Bris?  My wife's first answer
>SO>was "I'd be relieved that I didn't have to go through it!"
>SO>and then "That ceremony also honored the boy's mother, you
>SO>       know!" -- but that's also from a non-Jew.  Is this a big
>SO>topic of debate?  If so, what is being proposed?  Ending
>SO>the ritual?  Doing something symbolic for baby girls?  Or
>SO>is there already a strong Jewish tradition that honors
>SO>female Jews... in kind of a "different but equal" way?
>
>The concept of equal but different is very profound with regard to
>the Bris, (to say the least...). The Jewish female does NOT have
>to be subjected to the physical bond to G-d as the Jewish male,
>because, the woman in her capacity is much closer in emulating G-d
>than the man.
>
>G-d's will was to create the world, and the woman, having a child
>in her womb for the 9 months, is the closest act that a person can
>do to 'copy' what G-d has done.

That is interesting.  Thus *every* woman, *any* woman who is "having a
child in her womb" does the closest act ... to copy what God has done.

In  their pathetic  cover  up of  the male  orientated  nature of  the
present  day practice  of Orthodox  Judaism, they  are ready  to twist
logic to the  extreme.  Any woman, also every  child bearing *gentile*
woman, is closer to God's acts than not just Moses, the Ba'al Shem Tov
but even  lehavdil the  present Lubavicher Rebbe  and the  Mashiah (in
case this is  not a repetition of a previously  mentioned person), all
just males and thus further from God.

This insisting  that *everything*  has been handed  down, thus  has to
remain unchanged,  really makes  the present day  Orthodox apologetics
perform some  odd mental  gymnastics.  If one  cannot accept  the fact
that at  the time when, say,  some of the rules  and rituals governing
the relative  position of  Jewish males  and females  were formulated,
they may  have been fitting, or  even progressive for their  time, but
no, one has  to try and rape  the simple words of  prayers and deprive
them of their obvious meaning as in the following:

>With this in mind, we can understand why the morning blessings are
>slightly different for men and women. Men will say that the thank
>G-d for not making them a woman, yet women say thank G-d for
>making "like His will".
>
>At first glance, it seems to look inferior,

and also at second and third glance!

>                                            however, if we look at
>G-d's will, we find He wanted and therefore created the world and
>humanity. The woman is the one that can emulate this, and
>therefore, she says the blessing which thanks G-d for making her
>"like his will", meaning, capable to fulfill His will.

Now "like his will" is supposed to "mean" capable to fulfill his will;
even in the original Hebrew this does not sound right.  And the Jewish
male blesses God that he was so kind  and did not to make him a woman,
and thus  denying him the ability  to fulfill God's will!  How twisted
can some minds get?!

Michael Shimshoni
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