From: karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Sexuality & Religion
Keywords: Lars reply
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:11:04 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm


In talk.religion.newage Lars write:

>karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar) writes:
>>Yup... that is what I meant... seems like there are more or less spiritual
>>ways of doing/being to me... that is that one can do things with varying
>>levels of spirituality... is this so strange? to you or anybody? Please 
>>describe your problems with this....

>My view is that ANYTHING done with consciousness (not as opposed to being
>unconscious, but as being actively aware of it) is a meditation. Sex is one
>of the more effective ways, if you can 'control' it: The sexual drive is one
>of the most powerfull energies in our lifes, and if you can pull that forth
>and use it spiritually, you can get *far*. Problem is firstly 'pulling it
>forth', because most people either suppress it or let it out quickly, not hold
>on to it, secondly 'using it spiritually', instead of doing it just for sex,
>which can be difficult unless one has (or have had) a well-functioning sexlife.

Yes, here we have another person talking about control and using sex...
When we think of consciously creating our lives and experiences, we
are thinking about it, and controling it, and using various "tools"
that we find in our environment and in ourselves...

>>X: 
>>I don't know what Toshi will have to say about this, but some things occurred
>>to me. According to many spiritual traditions, the usual sorts of sexual
>>desires and feelings are considered in a negative way. Why? Because they
>>foster identification with the material body and ego in the heaviest possible
>>way.   ...

>According to some religions, sex is a very important part of spiritually. This
>is especially seen in indian religions, tantra being the most active one on
>that road.

That was one of my original points, to be sure... that somewhere between
tantra and kundalini yoga and some other methods in other cultures, there
is for me a set of practices that "works".

>>I was trying to be "nice" but I see it didnt work... I meant the word
>>rutting as being the kind of thing that some do: hit the bars and get 
>>drunk and take somebody home and scratch an itch with them and then 
>>forget them the next day... the kind of thing that lonely non-giving 
>>people do. This is not very spiritual in my assessment.

>I totally agree with Karen here. Sex with people you don't care much 
>for is not (IMVHO) worth much, and in my experience non-sex (french 
>kissing, kitch etc) with someone you really love can be an exhilarating 
>experience. I think of love/care as more than half of what's great in sex.

Yes, and I also agree with what Tagi said about much of our daily
lives being sexual in nature, because of our humanity (I said that).
In many ways, I make love to diverse people in diverse areas of my 
daily life, although I do not have sex with them. Love and sex
are not the same thing, and I am coming to a place in my life where
having sex with someone I dont love deeply is a waste of time.

Enuph for now... <smile>

Karen.

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