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From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Norm Mccullen-Please contact me!!!
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:09:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Norm Please send me your address if you wish to get needed information.
Mail keeps getting sent back.
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ort@netcom.com (David Oertel)
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 18:30:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: warning about the facial hair nazi



	My experience is that managers who are preoccupied with clothes,
	lifestyle, facial hair, etc are boring simple-minded people who
	are a drag to work with or even be around.  If you're looking
	for fun and interesting work situations, avoid these people
	like the plague.

	Dave Oertel
	ort@netcom.com
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dorje@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Berkowitz)
Subject: Re: Help!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:50:51 GMT

>>>In article <1992Aug4.141714.29792@eskimo.celestial.com> mann@eskimo.celestial.com (Tom Mann) writes:
>>>
>>>why do you care what kind of paper stuff is printed on!?
>>>
>>>isn't it the content that you're interested in? most places that i've been 
>>>it's the secretary or HR that does the screening and sends copies of resumes 
>>>off to hiring managers. i've always told people not to waste their time or
>>>money on fancy paper. 

>...and here we see why america is falling behind in the global market-place.


>i still say don't bother with fancy paper. would you want to work for 
>someone that hires people on their choice of colored paper??

>	...alan


>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Alan Commike                                     Landmark Graphics, Houston Tx.
>commike@lgc.com                                  (713) 579-4673 

>The ultimate error correcting compiler would generate a Database
>Management System out of ... nothing!
>	- Josef Moellers
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Okay, while the actual *look* of the resume may seem like a very
superficial thing, it *does* tell the recruiter a lot about the applicant.
For most fields, an attractive resume on nice paper says that the applicant
cares enough about getting the position to put a little effort into it.
Similarly, when you go to an interview you generally dress a bit nicely --
even if the job won't be requiring that standard of dress on a day-to-day
basis.  Why?  Because it shows you mean business.

Of course, there are certain fields where an elaborately type-set resume is
a *disadvantage*.  In journalism, for example, it is just sort of
"understood" that resumes should be neat and on better-than-dime-store
typing paper but definitely *not* fancy.  The idea is that if you're a
professional and you're putting that much effort into it then you're
looking too hard and there's something wrong with you!


--Shelby
___________________________________________________________________________
Michelle Berkowitz                  Even if NU ever agreed with my opinions
Northwestern University             it'd never fess up!
shelbaroo@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: vrajanik@ccad.uiowa.edu (Rajanikanth Vemulapalli)
Subject: Will the companies look into the resumes?
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:10:12 GMT

hi there,
Will the companies really look into all the resumes they receive? These days,
many companies are not responding to resumes/applications. Few companies that 
are responding say "We will keep your resume in file. We will let you know 
if any position comes up".  Do they really mean what they say?
Any suggestions/comments welcome.
Thanks in advance.
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:32:54 GMT
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <2268@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> mwiz@mpd.tandem.com (Marc Wiz) writes:
>I think an excellent example is providing exercise facilities.   Without
>getting into a discussion on the merits of exercise it does help.

I bet the Federal Government would be working alot better if it had
a long lunch hour and good exercise facilities!  

-Thomas
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:15:02 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Aug14.142126.9297@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> chuckt@scnteam1.austin.ibm.com (Charles N. Tomlinson) writes:
>I was once told that people have a subconscious distrust of people with 
>beards.  That this person has something to hide.  

For me its generally the other way around, when I see someone in a suit I
generally assume they are putting on a show. This is ok in the case of a
salesman, but when a person in a highly skilled field is unwilling to let
there abilities speak for themselves I have to wonder.
Maybe suits have an opposite world view and distrust everyone else :-)

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Job Verification and Liability (Was: Why no college jobs?)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:20:02 GMT

<In article <1992Aug12.165923.5746@news.vanderbilt.edu> Frank Sayre <sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> writes:<

<   In article <55@cnmhnet.UUCP> keith garrard, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP writes:
<   >We all know that anyone
<   >who offers any kind of recommendation nowadays, is setting themselves
<   >up for potential liability problems if the person doesn't work out.  
<   >Most companies nowadays will only verify that a person indeed was
<   >employed there, and maybe give dates.  That is it.   Anything more
<   >than that can get them into trouble.  

<   Do we know that? Can you summarize an example or two w/ names 
<   changed to protect the innocent? 

	There was an in-depth article on this subject in the
	Wall Street Journal sometime last spring; I doubt that
	I can find it but I will look.

<Did companies ever do more than 
<   verify employment in response to blind outside requests? 

	Well, it depends on what you mean by "company";
	for example, I interviewed a while back with a
	place that demanded name, address and phone number
	of EVERY supervisor I had worked with in the last
	5 years. They went so far as to call my supervisor
	from two jobs previous; I know this because they
	took me aside *during the plant trip* and asked
	me if I knew where he was currently residing as
	he wasn't at work that day. I believe he probably
	talked to them; the important point is that he
	wasn't acting as an "agent" of his current employer.

	Now, there have been some cases reported in the WSJ
	where plantiffs claimed that "bad" references from
	previous supervisors prevented them from getting
	a job; and they sued (surprise?) the *company*
	as well as the individual.

	Whether they won or not isn't really all that
	important; lawsuits are expensive, whether one
	wins or loses.

	Thus, WSJ observed that some companies now have
	a policy of confirming/denying employment,
	dates and (maybe) titles....and nothing else.

<And isn't
<   that primarily to protect the privacy of the (former) employee?
 
	Huh? What's this? Every application I've ever filled out
	that demanded previous supervisors spelled out in plain
	text that said persons could be contacted and my
	job performance there discussed.
	What privacy are you referring to, here?
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:07:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

>I know that when one makes at least one set of reasonable answers to
>the above questions, Gordon's assertion is simply false: real median
>yearly pretax household income is bigger than in 1972, according to the
>latest numbers from the Census Bureau. (You can look this up in a
>half-decent library, and I have.)
>

  Thanks for the info in the rest of this article, but I would think
that a more meaningful figure would be after-tax income.  This is, after
all, the amount of money which we see in our paychecks!

Phil Cooper

>-- 
>-- Paul A. Sand           | A fool and his money are soon...
>-- Univ. of New Hampshire | Hey, where's my wallet?
>-- pas@kepler.unh.edu     | 


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: zhang@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Tao Zhang)
Subject: Headhunter info needed 
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:08:32 GMT

Hi, everyone:
	I would appreciate if anyone could email me some information
about headhunters in any area in the US, in the areas of electrical
engineering and computer engineering.

	Again, thank you for your help.

-- TZ
From: rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:51:13 GMT
Organization: CERL-EE, Georgia Institue of Technology

In article <1992Aug11.042935.1901@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> david@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (David M. Alexander) writes:
|In article <9208102033.AA22425@hplwk.hpl.hp.com> albert@HPLWK.HPL.HP.COM (Joseph Albert) writes:
|>References: <9208050124.AA17776@hplwk.hpl.hp.com <ATAYLOR.92Aug6091621@gauss.nmsu.edu> <1992Aug8.015314.5123@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
|>Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories -- Database Technology Dept
|>
|>In article <1992Aug8.015314.5123@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> david@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (David M. Alexander) writes:
|>
|> I write:
|>
|>><(To be fair, a year earlier I had been invited for an interview
|>><with Hughes Tool from answering a newspaper ad, but I had to abort the
|>><interview after only 5 minutes when the hiring manager asked me if I
|>><would be willing to shave off my beard).
|>>
|>>It seems pretty likely in this particular case that no beards is a _safety_
|>>requirement, not a dress code, as machine tools used in making aircraft are
|>>powerful, high-RPM thingies...
|>>
|>>There was no such requirement when I interviewed for a sitting at a desk
|>>and writing programs type position at Hughes a few years ago.

Some requirements are for the entire site, regardless of your specific job.
I've had a beard for the past ten+ years, with few exceptions, but when
I worked at a Dupont plant near New Orleans, I shaved it off.  The reason
being that if I had to wear a gas mask, then the company would prefer (as I
would) that I had a good air tight seal between my face and the mask.

It was a summer engineering job and if I still worked there, I would still not 
have a beard.  Sometimes there are more important things than appearance,
however, Dupont managements that I've known tend to not like facial hair.

Sincerely,
Richard Pitts
-- 
rpitts@cerl.gatech.edu       |    
Atlanta, GA                --|-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: drew@service.dsg.ti.com (Drew Stephens)
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Organization: Texas Instruments, Austin, Tx.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:06:32 GMT

>With what you said here, I think
>most of this group would agree that the interviewing manager was just not the
>kind of person we'd all rush out to go work for.  At least you found out during
>the interview and not six months later.

This thread reminds me of a job interview I had about five 
years ago. During the interview, the owner of the business 
proceeded to tell me that all employees are required to
wear a blue suit, read tie, white shirt, and brown shoes.
I was offered the job. It paid twice the salary I was getting
at the time. But I turned it down. Requiring a suit and tie
is one thing, but requiring certain colors for each of the
articles of my clothing, that's going too far. If they were 
going to tell me what to wear in this detail, what else were 
they going to "require" me to do in the future? No thanks!

--

Drew Stephens                         E-mail: drew.stephens@hub.dsg.ti.com
Texas Instruments - Austin, TX      TI MSGID: NIX
From: dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: opinions sought about Rod Asher & Associates
Summary: Seattle and Bay Area Recruiter, what are they like?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:21:49 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


    Doing a little research for a few people.  Anyone have experience with
Asher & Associates?  How did it go?

Jobs accurately described/presented?

How were they to work with?

Relocation handled well?


		thanks for feedback, email preferred

				Daniel
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            dansmith@autodesk.com            dansmith@well.sf.ca.us
        Daniel Smith, Autodesk, Sausalito, California, (415) 332-2344 x 2580
              Disclaimer: written by a highly caffeinated mammal
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From: rem@public.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,soc.women
Subject: Re: Achievement based resumes
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:37:12 GMT
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

<<What will be the entry-level requirements 10 years from now?  A PhD,
one hardware and one software patent, and at least 10 years
experience?>>

Yes.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: stevens%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lane E. Stevens)
Subject: Re: Why no college jobs?
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:04:11 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

In article <55@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>
>I still stand by my recommendation that one put the words "Independent
>Consultant" on a resume for those periods when one is unemployed.  
>The opinion I've seen most has been that one would need to furnish
>names of businesses that one has been a consultant for.  Why?  Cite
>the Consultant-client confidentiality privelege.  Or give the names

Fine, I won't ask for the name of a company, but I still would like to
know what the nature of your consulting work has been.  But why are
we arguing about whether or not an interviewer will play the game
your way?  The real issue here is that this is not honest.  You could not
state in good faith that you have been an independent consultant if
you have not been consulting.

>of friends at other companies who you have "talked to".  Since by 
>definition, the word "consult" means to talk with, and you certainly
>have "consulted" with your friends at that company, then they can
>confirm that they have consulted with you at various times.  However, 

This is quite a set up!  If you continue to work at it you could fake
an entire career.

>independent consultant, willing to talk [consult] with anyone at
>any time, either permanently or part-time.  It sure looks better on
>a resume, than having a bare period or stating "unemployed".  

So, should I just assume that those resumes that have periods of
unemployment are actually trying to cover up for a period of
independent consulting?  Should I substitute "independent consultant"
for every instance of unemployment?

There are a lot of things that would make my resume look better, but
if they are not a part of my background, I leave them off.

Lane.



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Lane E. Stevens	    	      	   	     phone: (801) 321-3028
University of Utah/LDS Hospital	   	     email: stevens@cs.utah.edu 
Salt Lake City, Utah
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: firm requests comments
Keywords: consulting,1099,401K,referral
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:16:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <2634@tivoli.UUCP> dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor) writes:
>>If 1099 is for individuals, how are a clients' payments to a corporation reported
>>to the IRS?  I guess what I'm saying is-- who cares if the statement is wrong?
>>Enlighten us as to how it really works.
>
>as I understand it (as it has been explained to me) issuing a 1099 is optional.
>it appears, however, that the IRS tends to... aggressively encourage that 1099
>issuance occur in relationships between companines engaging in computer 
>consulting related activites.

When a company pays your company the IRS will know about it. Regardless if they 
give you a 1099 or not. The common practise is they don't give you one since
it is not necessary. You can then take a BIG chance and not pay taxes on the
income to your company by not reporting the income. The IRS will know you got
paid because the other company reports it. Also, you need to deposit the
income in your corp account which is watch or can be easily inspected by the
IRS. Thats some of the reasons why you don't need actual 1099 forms with
corps. 



-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: sak@psisa.psi (Steve Koutros)
Subject: UNIX CONSULTANTS, Wall St., NYC (RECRUITER)
Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:26:06 GMT

		CONSULTANTS:  Wall Street Beckons!!!
		------------------------------------

Pencom Systems, the leading source of Unix software engineers in the Open
Systems marketplace, has the following consulting positions available:

Applications Development - Senior Consultants Only
--------------------------------------------------

1.  Area  : Portfolio Management / Programmed Trading
    Term  : 3-6 months, open ended, full time conversion available
    Skills: C, Sybase, X Windows, Sun Enviroment

2.  Area  : Fixed Income Applications Support
    Term  : 3-6 months, open ended, full time conversion available
    Skills: C++, X Windows and Motif, Sun Environment

3.  Area  : Equity Development (applications + tools)
    Term  : 1 year +
    Skills: C, C++, Sybase, equity application experience-a plus

Systems Development - Senior Consultants Only
---------------------------------------------

1.  Area  : Real Time Market Data Distribution
    Term  : 6 months, open ended, full time conversion available
    Skills: Sockets, RPC, Xview, strong Unix systems knowledge

2.  Area  : Worldwide Systems Integration and Support
    Term  : 6 months, open ended, full time conversion
    Skills: Guru level Unix systems level programmer, X Windows, X Server

If you possess the required technical skills and have the desire to
enhance your resume and marketability by gaining financial industry
experience, please forward your resume immediately to:

		Pencom Systems Incorporated
		150 Broadway, Suite 600
		New York, New York  10038
		Ma Bell	: (212) 513-7777
		Ma Fax  : (212) 227-1854
Larry Cohen					Steve Koutros
uunet!pencom!larry				uunet!pencom!sak 
larry@pencom.com				sak@pencom.com
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From: lisa@zx11.cactus.org (Lisa Christman Senner)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Info wanted on consulting company...
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:19:09 GMT
Reply-To: lisa@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>OK, so are there any opinions on Computer Sciences Corp?

I've been with CSC for the past 18 months.  I wouldn't mind discussing
it with your friend, but would prefer to do it offline.

-- 

Lisa Christman Senner                       
lisa@zx11.cactus.org                       
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From: auug@dscatl.UUCP (Atlanta UNIX Users Group)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,atl.jobs
Subject: UNIX/C/ TCP/IP Contract, Florida (recruiter)
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:51:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Atlanta UNIX Users Group,  Atlanta  GA

[ Supplied to the Atlanta UNIX Users Group (AUUG) ]

Programmer/Analyst with UNIX, C, 3B2 and TCP/IP experience.
6 mo. contract.

Contact:
  Jennifer Bryant
  Datanomics, Inc.
  603 Parkway Ave, Smyrna, GA  30080
  (404) 319-8234
  (404) 319-8229 (FAX for resumes)

[ AUUG is posting this as a service to the NETNEWS community.  The recruiter
  does not have e-mail capability, so e-mail responses will not be forwarded.]
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From: leoadams@ccc.Gwinnett.COM (Computer Career Conne)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered.atl.jobs,fl.jobs
Subject: AS/400-COBOL
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:27:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Career Connections, Ft. Lauderdale, FL

Come to Sunny South Florida!!!!!
  Outstanding opportunity exists for both a 3 yr. and 5 yr. AS/400 COBOL
Prog./Analyst with strong full development life cycle skills.  The more
senior spot has the opportunity for high visibility and supervisory resp-
onsibility.  Only U.S. Citizens and/or Permanent Residents who possess all
the required skill sets and skill levels will be considered.

--
Mr. Leo Adams
Tech Services, Inc.
4300 N. University Dr. Suite C-101
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33351
Telephone: (305) 741-3654 (Ft.Lauderdale,FL)
Telephone: (305) 553-3619 (Miami, FL.)

Fax #1   : (305) 741-5408
From: curtn@dcprinc.UUCP (Curt Nordeen)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: signal processor programmer in D.C. area
Keywords: c++, UNIX, I860
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:04:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton Information Ltd. Washington D.C.

program designer and developer with UNIX workstation/I860 board
exp. is needed to support underwater acoustics program in
Arlington, VA.  C language programming on SUN workstations,
networked computer environments and I860 signal processing boards
and I860 code is required.  C++ exp. is desirable.

Length of assignment is one year, to start immediately.

    ALL CANDIDATES MUST BE U.S. CITIZENS AND SHOULD HAVE A
                    SECRET CLEARANCE

Please respond to Princeton Information
                  8133 Leesburg Pike Suite 540
                  Vienna, VA. 22182
Tel (703) 442-7600                    FAX (703) 556-9414

          OR: curt@dcprinc.UUCP
From: dsb@world.std.com (David Boyce)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: Want good time/money accounting package for contractors
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:41:20 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <1992Aug12.022552.2164@klic.rain.com> keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom) writes:
>I'm looking for suggestions for a new accounting /time management package,
>tuned or tunable for a sole-proprietor engineering consulting firm (though
>with partners/employees in a year or two).

    I use Timeslips III, address as cited by a previous poster, sold
at Egghead (i.e. widely available). I find it does everything I need,
plus it's got a lot of options I don't even bother with, so I'd say
it's pretty flexible. It's definitely aimed at consultants, shrinks,
and others that bill by the hour. Generally speaking, I'd recommend it.
It costs around $200 last I looked. Ask me by email if you have specific
questions.

>It would be cool if the program had a small DOS TSR that I could use as a 
>timeclock.  Or would help me keep track of things to do - or, or, or ???

    Timeslips has this. I don't use it, since I don't actually work
on a DOS machine, but it's reputed to be there.
-- 
David Boyce	dsb@world.std.com	617-576-1540
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