HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: scheduled events that take phone off-hook?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 14:23:00 PST
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com> writes:

> Personally, I've had my modem off-hook for long time spans (96+ hours, once)
> without any problems.

I've been told that at least with the late model ESS central
offices, that after a few minutes of noise from the CO, that
dial tone is removed and line is let go dormant.  After some
arbitrary mega-hours, a trouble (card) is generated.  And if the
trouble is cleard (ie: phone goes back on-hook), you get your
dial tone back.  No problems.  I've had a short across my line
for about 25 hours once and as soon as I unshorted the line, I
had dial tone again.  Telco never called or made contact over the
trouble.

I can't see any boogers in taking your line off-hook
for hours (or minutes in the case of this thread) unless you are
serviced by a telco that still has racks of switching relays.

I used to busy my line while waffle was processing.  Now I do all
processing in seperate Desqview windows.

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From: msingleton@Parthenon.Tacoma.WA.US (Mike Singleton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO for Windows and OS/2
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 17:02:10 PST
Organization: Parthenon - Public Internet Access Division - Tacoma,WA.

>  
> To reiterate what Pat just said.  I will port all of Waffle to OS/2 for
> free.  Furthermore, if the entire source code is given to me, I will
> pay the $120.00 fee (or whatever it is) to Tom Dell for the source and
> I will still make the OS/2 version available to him only for 
> distribution with the Waffle package.  I want nothing out of this but
> the ability to run this BBS as a native OS/2 program.
> 
> I will sign any non-disclosure that Tom wishes for me to sign.  I will
> ask for no copyright or financial reward.  I just want the thing ported
> and I have the tools and skills to do it.
> 
> --
> Tom Salzmann <tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US>

 As a small corporation that funds and publishes shareware, we too would 
very much like to see a Waffle or Waf-compatible OS/2 product. And we 
will put our money were our mouth is.... :) 



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From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: ZipNews Door for Waffle in BETA Release
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:49:17 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

jkilday@nlbbs.UUCP (Jack Kilday) writes:

> mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:
> 
> > I'm not able to get past the following screen and need a little
> > help.  I sure like the idea of zipping a newsgroup for off-line
> > reading.
> 
> The key cause of this problem is that the ZN.CFG "temporary" parm contains
> a pathname that does not exist.  And that can result from either of the
> following:

Ahh...shucks...it's so easy with abit of E-mail handholding.  The
temporary parm was indeed munged by me during set-up.  Now
ZIPNEWS is working well.  Certainly offers a slic way to off-line
read your news.  ...Now awaiting the reader...

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From: dawson@willard.atl.ga.us (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: ZyXEL to WorldBlazers - init strings
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 21:24:57 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

hernandez@info-gw.UUCP (Manny Hernandez) writes:

> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
> 
> > hernandez@info-gw.UUCP (Manny Hernandez) writes:
> > 
> > >I'm running Waffle v1.65 and can't get past 800cps rates when talking 
> > >to a UNIX based system in my area. I have HW flow control, BNU fossil 
> > 
> > Perhaps the unix site can only do 9600 serial communications.  This
> > would place your throughput right in line with what they are capable
> > of doing.  
> 
> Nope, 
> 
> He feed several other site at v.32bis and claims to have 1800cps transfers
> on average. 

Of course, as the UNIX site's modem is a WorldBlazer, and as his feed's
is as well, then that average value includes quite a bit of traffic at
WB/Turbo-PEP/g-spoofing, which should be giving him speeds in excess of
(or around) 2000 cps.

My own /waffle/admin/net file indicates speeds around 1300 cps with the
same UNIX site...  I forget if we usually do 14.4/MNP4 or 14.4/v.42bis.
It's likely v.42bis, as my 14.4/MNP4 speeds usually tend to be around
the 1200 cps range... which speaks well of v.42bis, eh!?

Of course, even that 1300 cps figure is not particularly impressive,
especially as I get around 1550 with other v.32bis/v.42bis connections
(mostly well-configured Waffle 1.65 sites..).

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: out of sequence news. ( UUXQT question )
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 10:11:03 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET International News Gateway in New Zealand

russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes:

> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> 
> >  All their news is batched up in numeric order in their /spool/sitename
> >  directory. However when they poll me for it they seem to get a muddled
> >  feed ie
> > 
> >  5798
> >  5799
> >  5743
> >  5744
> 
> is this in their /news/comp/bbs/waffle directory?  or where?
 
 As it says above russel in the /spool/sitename directory (for their news
 feed).
 
> 
> (assuming their /n/c/b/w) it's because of the way dos doesn't (by default)
> sort the filenames - on Unix, it'd do this too (and will show it to you
> if you force it) - when you expire the old news (5741 and 5742) the new
> news takes the first available directory position for the new news.
> 
> I know of no situation in which waffle's rnews.exe would UNBATCH news out
> of order.  that doesn't mean it's impossible, but... it'd be tricky at
> least, and definitely a non-obvious way to do it.
 
 In this case all the incoming news is batched into the /spool/sitename
 directory in numeric order. However when a remote site polls for its
 news and the feed is over 1 meg it displays the actions as I mentioned
 above in random order. I can see NO logic for this at all unless uucico
 is a bit flakey in some manner.
 
 I have even used Nortons Directory sort to make SURE the files were
 in numeric order (as a test only) and it also demonstrated the same
 symptoms.
 
 Ah well life goes on.
> -- 
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From: aboritz@drharry.UUCP (Alan Boritz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: scheduled events that take phone off-hook?
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:35:44 GMT
Organization: Harry's Place BBS - Mahwah NJ - +1 201 934 0861

bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:

> I don't understand this entire thread.  What purpose is served by taking the
> phone off-hook that isn't better served by simply turning off the modem's
> auto-answer capability?

Taking the modem off-hook gives a busy indication to the calling party,
freeing up (telco) switch resources faster than if you merely stopped
answering the phone.  Also, those people calling long distance through
unscrupulous long distance service providers (like Telesphere, MCI, Sprint,
etc.) won't be hit so bad for ring-no-answers (charges for calls not
completed).

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From: crespin@nadir.uucp (Rudy Crespin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Mail encryption programm for WAFFLE?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:49:56 GMT
Organization: UUCP San Diego, CA

In <H16XXB1w165w@grizila.pillar.com> grizbud@grizila.pillar.com  (Jim Gorges) writes:
>ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:

>> In <sDFoXB7w165w@tcscs.UUCP> tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood
>> 
>> >Where can we ftp/mail-serv RIPEM from?
>> 
>> 
>> 	Hmmm, well, I don't remember off hand, will have to locate the 
>> information again and let you all know.  
>> 

>RIPEM can be found at scss3.cl.msu.edu.  Be sure to get the README file
>when you connect.  It describes what to do to gain access to the
>encryption software.

or try rsa.com. Be sure to get the README file here as well

Rudy

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:42:07 GMT

william@cithara.login.qc.ca (William Ross) writes:

[Learn how to edit quoted lines and you'll be much more popular.]

>And besides, what do ya want for 30,00$ U.S? 

If you read my message, I say that I'm perfectly happy with what I got
for my $135 --- it was worth $135.  The two updates I received free, and 
Tom has no obligation to ever update Waffle.  I give him a lot of credit
for what he's done.  But I don't think it's possible for him to do 
something as powerful as rn or nn in his spare time.  So he should work
to hook programs like that into Waffle.  

Maybe not everybody is ready to pay more for more features, but some of 
us <are>.  There's a market for a program that goes beyond what Waffle 
provides, and I'd like to see Tom address it.  

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From: ace@acelab.re.open.de (Andreas Fatum)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: FAX-receive with ZyXEL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:09:26 GMT
Organization: acelab - an internet bbs: +49-2368-56585

In <C1E166.2p0@cs.psu.edu> fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

>Maybe you should try looking through the FAQ.  Try the section labelled "BUGS".

Thank you for helping me out of this one... :-) Although I do not
prefer setting the modem to auto-answer (S0=1) this is the only
way to get the internal fax-detect to work.

Anyway if your bbs happens to crash (or messy-dos) the modem will
still answer the phone :-(

cu,
Andreas

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From: jcarroll@jacc.com (Jim Carroll)
Reply-To: jcarroll@jacc.com
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Any experience with Lotus Notes
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:0:46 GMT
Organization: J.A.CarrollConsulting

s19184@seb.se (Michael Evans @ S-E-Banken, Sweden) once wrote....
>In article <gate.8sNwXB1w165w@sytex.com>, keith@sytex.com (Keith Attenborough)
>   writes:
>> I don't have any experience yet, but my organization is working on
>> installing Notes to support all the document form stuff -- papers,
>> memos, position documents, images, etc. we use on a daily basis.  One of
>> the key features we were looking for and believe Notes provides is
>> support for workflow management, the ability to use the system to route
>> material to the corrct people for review and editing, then ensuring that
>> it is really those individuals who have done the work.  It seems
>> designed to handle those tasks well.
>
>Unless things have changed since autumn 1992, then I am not sure that 
>Lotus Notes is designed to handle more formal worksflows well.
>
>We had a good look at the functions and found that it was missing 
>monitoring process times, escalation generically through the 
>organisation (if he takes too long dealing with this case, signal his 
>manager), split & join parallel activities etc.
>
>Of course, we could have implemented these functions, but then it 
>would have been OUR implementation, and not the standard Lotus 
>implementation which future Notelets would use.
>
>I may be wrong, I which case I am very interested of your experiences, 
>or I may have the wrong definition of workflow processing, in which 
>case I stand to be corrected.
>

I'm very intrigued by the components of workflow that you mention; such
as monitoring process times, escalation etc. in the paragraph above. I would
be very interested in a list of such issues, i.e that would make up a
full and complete workflow system. If you have any references to articles
that refer to such components as well, that would be most useful

Are these things well defined, or are they still being defined as worklow/
rules based processing continues to mature...?

jc

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From: keith@sytex.com (Keith Attenborough)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Any experience with L
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 18:44:47 EST
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

Mr MacKinnon;

In article <1993Jan22.183832.21156@bcrka451.bnr.ca> mackinon@bcrkh1d
you wrote to Art Mansky    Internet: awm@vitro.com

DM>We are just embarking on a simillar evaluation; We have very little direct
  >experience yet, but would be very interested in hearing any feed-back YOU ge

DM>So far, we have (pre-beta) copies of Lotus Notes v3 installed on Mac's and p
  >Unix version coming soon...
  >Lotus' consulting group has given a number of training sessions here, and we
  >are just starting out prototyping apps and evaluating the systems' admin
  >impact... it looks hairy, but the payoff looks worth it!

DM>--
  >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > Doug MacKinnon
  > Bell Northern Research
  > Ottawa Canada
  >email address: mackinon@bnr.ca
  >Standard Disclaimer:
  >'The opinions expressed here are my own, and are not necessarily those of BN

Like you, I saw Mr Mansky's post and expressed an interest in hearing
of experience gained.  We are about to launch off on a NOTES
installation for my four workgroup, 200 user, organization, with Notes
being the primary network application -- in fact, its capabilities are
why we're acquiring the network in the first place.  We identified a
business need to gain control over the disparite document form
(spreadsheet, graphs, briefings, memo, point papers, correspondance
etc.), NOTES as the application to meet the need and a network as the
infrastructure required to support Notes.

I would be very interested in sharing any information you glean from
your evaluation, especially regarding the level of ongoing support
needed to maintain Notes usability.

Based on our preliminary review, we intend to place a Notes "guru" in
every major sub-workgroup, about a ratio of one per 12 to 15 users.
These folks would be specifically trained, but not dedicated full time
-- essentially we'd take line analysts, train them up, and expect them
to devote maybe 25% to 30% of their time to supporting Notes.  We
believe this time will be available due to the savings resulting from
the use of the application's features.

Again I would appreciate any information you may be willing to share.
Thanks in advnace.

Keith
keith@sytex.com
                                                                 
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: awm@at1147 (Art Mansky)
Subject: Any experience with Lotus Notes?
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:33:40 GMT

	Has anyone had any experience with the Lotus Notes software
	package?  We are thinking of using it to handle a document
	management system, with information being scanned into the
	system from paper-based forms.  We have been led to believe 
	that it will handle the access to this information by multiple
	people, as well as their editing and putting their "OK" on
	each form.  Any experiences?

	Please reply to awm@vitro.com.  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: keithw@conan.endicott.ibm.com (Keith J. Werkman)
Subject: Groupware 93 conference
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:41:38 GMT
Reply-To: keithw@conan.endicott.ibm.com (Keith J. Werkman)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Research
Keywords: CFP

Can anyone out there send me a pointer to a Call For Papers for
Groupware 93, August 9-13, 1993 in San Jose, CA, USA?	

Thanks in advance....-keith
From: weymouth@mercury.eecs.umich.edu (Terry E. Weymouth)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Groupware 93 conference
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:19:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: zip.1993Jan24.151929.23922
Reply-To: weymouth@engin.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <1993Jan23.224138.56460@watson.ibm.com>  
keithw@conan.endicott.ibm.com (Keith J. Werkman) writes:
> >Can anyone out there send me a pointer to a Call For Papers  
for
> >Groupware 93, August 9-13, 1993 in San Jose, CA, USA?	
> >
> >Thanks in advance....-keith

and me... please post (repost?)
From: hoffmann@sri.com (Marcelo Hoffmann)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Groupware 93 conference
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:47:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.groupware
Organization: SRI International

In article <1993Jan24.151929.23922@zip.eecs.umich.edu>,
weymouth@mercury.eecs.umich.edu (Terry E. Weymouth) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan23.224138.56460@watson.ibm.com>  
> keithw@conan.endicott.ibm.com (Keith J. Werkman) writes:
> > >Can anyone out there send me a pointer to a Call For Papers  
> for
> > >Groupware 93, August 9-13, 1993 in San Jose, CA, USA?	
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance....-keith
> 
> and me... please post (repost?)

You may be too late to send anything in (papers were due Jan 15th, and the
advisory board is now looking through the abstracts to select those to be
accepted), but if you truly want to pursue this further, you need to
write/call David Coleman, the conference chairman.  He can be reached at:
 tel (415) 282-9151;
 FAX (415) 550-8556. 

Good luck. 
 
Marcelo Hoffmann
SRI International
333 Ravenswood Ave.
Menlo Park, CA 94025
415.859.3680
From: rcs91900@zach.fit.edu ( Charles Stockman /ADVISOR-Clutterham)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: When should you stop a distributed program
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:42:20 GMT
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Hello
	
In a distributed environment :

When  a group people are using a program (ex. simulation) and part of the 
simulation is way off.  Some of the people may want to shut down the simulation
while others may want to keep the simulation running.  What do you think is the 
best way to mediate a situation such as this and why.

    ex. majority rules  --> reason : These people are assumed to be experts and
                            know what they are doing.

THANK IN ADVANCE (TIA)

P.S I am 90% sure that this is the correct new group for the question. I don't
    think a fuzzy logic tool would disagree with me posting to this group :)
From: dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: DOS Collaborative Writing Software
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <93Jan22.155857.27605@acs.ucalgary.ca>, schayne@acs.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Hayne) writes...
>There is a research sytem (not a product) called Multi-User Line
>Editor that was written by Mark Pendergast (mpender@nervm.bitnet)
>while a Phd student at University of Arizona - sorry, I couldn't
>resist Mark :) :).
> 
>I have used this system in teaching GSS to my students and have it
>installed in our lab where they can concurrently work on text
>documents (i.e. term papers).  It functions fairly well (block
>cut&pastes, locking at the line or paragraph level, etc).

    Yeah, I have used MULE and it is the most fluid multi-user editor I
    have seen (I have used three and seen several others at CSCW.)  MULE is
    a bit finicky about network configurations and at this point I doubt
    Pendergast is supporting it (Mark is out there writing spectacular
    multi-user graphics tools tools these days.)  But maybe Hayne wouldn't
    mind supporting it for you :>

===========================================================================
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Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk (Roger Whitehead)
Subject: Groupware 93 conference                 
Cc: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:32:00 +0000

Why not email David Coleman, the organizer.  He's on davidc@aol.com or
davidc@cup.portal.com

Roger

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From: keith@sytex.com (Keith Attenborough)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Any experience with Lotus
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 18:44:42 EST
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

Mr Mansky;
On 21 Jan 93, on subject: Any experience with Lotus Notes? in

AM>        Has anyone had any experience with the Lotus Notes software
  >        package?  We are thinking of using it to handle a document
  >        management system, with information being scanned into the
  >        system from paper-based forms.  We have been led to believe
  >        that it will handle the access to this information by multiple
  >        people, as well as their editing and putting their "OK" on
  >        each form.  Any experiences?

AM>        Please reply to awm@vitro.com.  Thanks.

AM>--
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  >        Art Mansky                      Internet:  awm@vitro.com
  >        --------------------------------------------------------

I don't have any experience yet, but my organization is working on
installing Notes to support all the document form stuff -- papers,
memos, position documents, images, etc. we use on a daily basis.  One of
the key features we were looking for and believe Notes provides is
support for workflow management, the ability to use the system to route
material to the corrct people for review and editing, then ensuring that
it is really those individuals who have done the work.  It seems
designed to handle those tasks well.  Apparently if you are going to be
doing a lot of image management, you will probably need a companion
product called Lotus Notes:Document Imaging (LN:DI).

I would appreciate hearing of any responses you receive, I'm looking for
all the info I can collect.  Thanks in advance.

Keith
keith@sytex.com