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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:17:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      twin freaks
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I really did enjoy the first season of Twin Peaks and thought that it
quickly decayed after the first set of shows; I never did see the last
few months worth and from all reports I missed little -
I question why Lynch would make a movie about something that basically
dervied most of its interest from being a TV show - TWIN PEAKS, even the
early shows, would have made for a pretty mediocre movie; but they made
fasinating TV watching (for awhile)
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From: lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: Re: David Lynch info
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:32:35 GMT

In <CINEMA-L%92081913323348@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU> writes:

	>	_Fire, Walk with Me_ starts *next* Friday, August
	>28th.  Expect TV appearances from Kyle, Bowie, and Lynch over
	>the next few weeks.

	>Christopher Lishka reviewed this film on rec.arts.movies
	>about a month ago (it evidently opened early in Europe) and
	>panned it.

Yup, that's me, and I did indeed pan it.  My wife and I didn't like it
much at all.  And I really liked the first season (and a few shows in
the second season) of _Twin Peaks_.  C'est la vie....

If anyone is interested in the review (which is still kicking around
my home directory somewhere), I can post it to this group as well.


	>	Personally, I think Lynch makes some of the most
	>interesting visual, visceral films around.

Yes, I agree that some of his films are excellent.  All of them have
at least some amazing visuals.  But I find that several fall down flat
on plot, and I generally dislike his graphic violence and raunchy sex.
He is certainly an interesting director, though.

						.oO Chris Oo.

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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:04:42 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Apartment Zero

I'm not usually particularly sensitive to gay/homoerotic nuances in films,
and it is not unusual for me to fail to see what seems clear to others.

But I thought it quite clear that the apartment-dweller's reaction to
his visitor was disturbing to him because of the sexual feelings aroused.
And I too thought the movie was making a connection between the political
torture etc. that could not be discussed, and the homosexual impulses
that were equally hidden, and as much a part of the American's underground
world.  In other words, the connection between social and private repression
-- interestingly developed as connecting and separating the two
characters in Kiss of the Spider Woman-- is combined in one dangerous
character.

Rick Francis
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:10:00 +0200
From:         MANUEL FERNANDEZ <txm.txmkb@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Re:Hot Shots

Hi, Hola, Bonjur, etc.

Kenneth,

I think they have one more paradies in this movie besides the
onesyou mentioned (TOPGUN & 9 &1/2 WEEKS):
-----> Dances with Wolves <------

Bye
Arex
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:43:57 MDT
From:         cmurrell@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Subject:      Re: Bladerunner
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              Aug 14, 92 12:17 pm

>
> Who wrote the story that Bladerunner was based on (i.e., DO ANDROIDS DREAM
> OF ELECTRIC SHEEP)?  Was it Harlan Ellison?
>
> Don
>
I believe that Philip K. Dick is the author of this story.

Cindy
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:17:20 -0300
From:         Don McCreary <mccreary@PX4.STFX.CA>
Subject:      Bladerunner
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Who wrote the story that Bladerunner was based on (i.e., DO ANDROIDS DREAM
OF ELECTRIC SHEEP)?  Was it Harlan Ellison?

Don
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:05:39 EDT
From:         "Kenneth R. Jackson" <PUPAPKJ@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: viewer survey/Lethal Weapon 3

On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:17:33 BST Kerr Avon said:
>
>What other movies have stuff going on during or after the credits?
>Two that come to my mind:-
>	_Gremlins 2_ : Bugs and Daffy etc appear while the credits are
>			rolling.
>	_Wayne's World_: Wayne and Garth wonder what they should do while
>			 the credits are rolling.
>
>The _Airplane!_ (and other ZAZ) movies have jokes in the credits, as
>do Monty Python movies.

In Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Mathew Broderick talks to the camera.
In House Party, something falls out of the sky and squashes 2 police officers
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:50:00 EST
From:         Gary Graffagnino <ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bertrand Tavernier

From: Johannes Heyer <C0031018@DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE>

>Hi,
>
>I need info on Bertrand  Tavernier, especially a list of his films.
>
>Thanks
>       jh

Two movies I remember him directing are Deathwatch (Harvery Keitel (sp?),
Leonard Nemoy, Max Von Sydow) and Life and Nothing But.
                           ______
  Gary Graffagnino         \    /   "I'm having an old friend for dinner"
  accgsg@hofstra.bitnet     \  /
  accgsg@vaxc.hofstra.edu    \/              -Hannibal Lechter
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:54:24 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      donkey crap

REPLY TO 08/20/92 23:16 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": donkey crap

Based on his posting, I can only assume that Mr. John LaTourette
suffers from Tourette Syndrome.

Jennifer Porro

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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:20:00 CDT
From:         Jan Levine Thal / JHR / 262-4867 <THAL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Movies + a "political spoiler" at the end

I'm glad you reminded me of Apartment Zero, which I found riveting but indeed
drew parallels between political violence and homoerotic violence.  Are Gays and
Lesbians responsible for all evil? Is it because Communism is dead? Fascism is
dead?  Elvis is dead?  John Huston is dead?  Laura Palmer is dead?
It's all Bob to me.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:30:21 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Twin Peaks
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From: Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
>
>I really did enjoy the first season of Twin Peaks and thought that it
>quickly decayed after the first set of shows; I never did see the last
>few months worth and from all reports I missed little -

I beg to differ.  While I wouldn't claim that the show was rivetting (sp?)
all the time, the later shows were no worse than the early ones.  Most
people got fed up after they found out who killed Laura Palmer.  For
me, the Windom Earle plot was equally interesting, and tied in
neatly with Bob and the aftermath of solving the `whodunnit' (or
should that be `whatdunnit?).  I do agree that it sometimes seemed
like that it was being made up as they went, with subplots coming and
going and being dropped (e.g. the chess match, little Nicky...)
However, I do believe that the story of Cooper and Earle and Bob
was clearly and carefully planned.  Lynch seems to delight in throwing
irrelevances at the audience.

Anyway, the last episode freaked me out.  You missed a treat...

>I question why Lynch would make a movie about something that basically
>dervied most of its interest from being a TV show - TWIN PEAKS, even the
>early shows, would have made for a pretty mediocre movie; but they made
>fasinating TV watching (for awhile)

Seems to me that Lynch could go `all the way' on the big screen.  Dig
deeper into the dirt, unearthing the corrupt decay that was Twin Peaks.
Have you read _The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_?  This, I think shows
us what _Twin Peaks_ was really about, rather than the necessarily
sanitised TV version.  Also worth reading is _Dale Cooper: My Life,
My Tapes_ which is hilarious while recounting his childhood, before
becoming very dark and bleak when he joins the FBI.

			Liam.
			====-
                                   *"Right. All right. Fine! All right,
     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   * okay then, fine!! No problem.  No
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  All e-mail to:- | Home: Glasgow, * I'll just pop upstairs and ask
lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    * her to stop dying and then you
                                   * can all come up and identify her."
     "I belong to Glasgow..."      *             -- Basil Fawlty
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:40:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Star Trek VI film/video diff

Mary....
Are you thinking about the episode ( title escapes me ) where Picard secretly
meets with two other starship captains and they relate to him what they
consider to be peculiar behavior.  If this is the one we are both thinking of,
isn't itan alien that gets into their bodies?  If I recall it makes the human
host very strong.  Also, if I remember correctly, the alien is a large
worm-like creature.  There is a disgusting scene at the end where the alien
exits the body of the human host via the mouth!  Yeech!!!!  Is this the one?
Let me know.
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:34:52 PDT
From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Lynch
              19 Aug 1992 16:06:00 EST from <AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU>

From:  Mary Shaffer


I don't see how one could avoid thinking about "Wizard of Oz" while watching
"Wild at Heart." I watched the movie again recently and was amazed at how
many overt references there are, from Laura Dern's fear of the "wicked witch"
to her tapping the heels of her shoes to lines about following "the yellow
brick road," and other comments. Personally, I liked "Blue Velvet" a bit
more, but still appreciate Lynch's perverse view of the world and most things
he does; "Eraserhead" was a bit too obtuse for me and "Dune" was pretty dumb.
But "The Elephant Man," "Blue Velvet," "Wild at Hear," and "Twin Peaks" can't
be beat.

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:12:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      M*A*S*H*ed Quayle

Heaven knows our beloved but dumb VP has given us plenty
of comic material to work with (Mac users: have you checked
out the "Quayle Season" Quicktime movie?)...

...nonetheless...can any longtime E-mailer really knock poor
Dan for his spelling? Physicians, let's heal ourselves, and may
he who is without sin parboil the first potatoe.

Note to Monsieur La Tourette ( or "TMR," as his real @!$%^&$ initials
seem to be: no, I am not a Liberal.

(Just wanted to avoid having to read more donkey crap.)

kjf-
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:47:16 PDT
From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      reply and new movie
              19 Aug 1992 10:42:38 CDT from Debbie Scheibal
              <DPDS@SIUEMUS.BITNET>

From:  Mary Shaffer



Reply to Debbie and MA Dolan:

The title of David Lynch's new movie is "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me."
It chronicles the last week in Laura Palmer's life. It got mixed reactions
at Cannes -- scattered applause and boos -- but it's a huge hit in Japan as
is the original series which was released on pay-cable, laserdisc and video-
tape last year (it never played on regular television there). Last weekend,
the first annual "Twin Peaks Festival" was held in Snowqualmie (sp?), WA --
home of some of the most famous "TP" locations including the Great Northern.
Some of the stars were there as was Lynch, I think. The movie had its U.S.
premiere in the town's 300-seat movie house. One of weirdest souvenier items
was a plastic wrapped dead Laura Palmer doll. And of course, lots of cherry
pie, donuts and "damn fine coffee" were served. I wasn't there. I'm just
reporting what I heard on NPR news and read in the latest issue of Entertain-
ment Weekly. The movie opens nationwide on Friday, August 28. Returning cast
includes Kyle MacLachlan (Agent Cooper), Sheryl Lee (Laura), Ray Wise (Leland),
& Catherine Coulson (log lady). And of course the music of Angelo Bandalmenti.
I plan to go the first weekend; I'm sure it will be strange, knowing Lynch.

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:34:25 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Woody Allen

Subj:   Woody Allen

>>To have this sad affair played out before the world as some cheap,
>>tabloid expose demeans us all.  It is such an utterly depressing
>>episode that it seems to have sprung right out of the pages of Thomas
>>Hardy.

>As to comparing the situation to a Thomas Hardy plot, from what else
>does great (and also pulp) literature stem but life?  People who claim
>to hate gossip had better stop reading fiction and going to movies
>because it is all an examination of human behavior in some form or
>another.  I wouldn't wish this incident on any of the principals --
>especially Mia Farrow, if the reports of events are true -- but
>the drama is enthralling.

>Jennifer Porro

My dear, there are people at the National Enquirer who would love to
have you on their mailing list.  These tawdry affairs are indeed
enthralling, in the manner of a highway accident whose debris of
crushed metal and blood stains give testimony to the wreckage of another
human life.  Perhaps, as you suggest,  fiction and film is nothing
more than elevated gossip.  Still, there are some scenes in life I would
prefer on the cutting floor.

j-man
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:39:57 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bladerunner

Philip Dick wrote the novel on which Bladerunner is based.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:00:19 EST
From:         Milton Johnson <LIBMILT@CML.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Slacker
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    Greetings,

        A friend of mine was telling me about the aforementioned
film, _Slacker_.  All I know about it is that it's a low budget film
produced, directed, and written by some guy (Linklater ?) and he sold
the film to Orion Pictures who then gave it a limited run.  As usual,
it didn't reach us here in the booming metropolis of Terre Haute, IN.
I believe it has just recently hit the video rental shelves. Has
anyone in Cinema-l land seen this picture?... Seen it on the shelves
of the local rental shack?... Have any comments on it?... Anybody?...
Anyone?.... Bueller?



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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:45:00 EDT
From:         "Jean.MacDougall" <20676JTS@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Bladerunner

Actually it was Philip S. Dick. Didn't sound right to me but I checked
it in our catalogue.

Jean MacDougall
MSU
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From: johnnyl@microsoft.com (Johnny Lee)
Subject: Re: CASTING CHOICES: Might-have-been...
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:05:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Most recently, Bette Midler was supposed to be in Sister Act.
She couldn't, so Whoopi Goldberg was brought in.
Seems more plausible to think of Bette Midler as a lounge
singer vs. Whoopi.

J

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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:25:48 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hitchcock

 _Shadow of a Doubt_ is good, too.   Starring Joseph Cotten and
 Teresa Wright (?)

-Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:20:24 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick
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>The Dick novel that -TOTAL RECALL- was based on was actually a short story.
>The title mentioned was correct, but Dick then also wrote a novel called Total
>Recall which is a more elaborate, greater detailed rendition of the short
>story.  I'm not sure if this is a novelization of the movie or vice a versa.
>It has been awhile since I read it.

Phillip K. Dick died before the release of _Blade Runner_.

How does the book (not the short story) differ from the movie?  Is the
ending ambiguous in the book?

--
-scott
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:12:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Woody Allen

Kjf....
I find myself agreeing with you more and more with each posting.  The thing
that surprises me and really shouldn't is the attention that this "Woody
Allen-thing" is getting.  It was the second item on network news yesterday and
CNN has been running this tabloid trash every hour on the hour.  The GOP
convention and  Woody Allen scandal all at once, I think I'll rent a movie
tonight!
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:19:46 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Movies + a 'political spoiler' at the end

 Okay, here's a question for all of you......

 If YOU were advertising for some one to share a two-bedroom apartment
 with....would you specify you skin color in the ad?

 I.E., Single White Female....This is not the heading for an ad looking
 for a platonic roommate, but rather for a blind date.  I think the
 marketers of the new movie decided that it would be more enticing if
 the title had sexual implications in it.  What do you think?


--Gayle Gleason
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Subject:      lethal weapon 3

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     12-Aug-1992 09:50am DST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: lethal weapon 3

I, too, really enjoyed the final scene of Lethal Weapon 3.  I don't usually
stay to watch the credits, but this time, for some reason, I did.  But I think
the "nice song" that was played during the credits was by Sting, not Elton
John.

Anita
Penn State
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:11:40 PDT
From:         DU013@CALPOLY.BITNET
Subject:      Joe Daus, MST Fan

From:  Mary Shaffer


Joe Daus --- could you post your e-mail address to the list? I've tried a
couple of times to reply to your messages today but no luck. I'd like to know
how to correspond without going through the list. I have access to both bitnet
and internet if that helps. (Apologies to other cinema-l'ers for using the
list for this purpose. Couldn't think of anything else!)

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:25:13 CDT
From:         Jane Carver <CARVER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: John Ritter
              14 Aug 1992 09:45:17 EDT from <THOMPSON_O@RSO.DNET.GE.COM>

Rear Window is one of Hitchcock's best.  Torn Curtain is pretty good.
But the best one of all is Notorious!
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