HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: beginner's luck
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:04:56 GMT
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Organization: SGI TechPubs

---
egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|In article p1eqek8@fido.asd.sgi.com, cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) writes:
|>Maybe I'm nuts, but I decided to stop saying "I've always
|>wanted to [foo]", and to start DOING foo. 

|Good for you!!

|I'll leave the "best beginner bike" to others (your MSF instructors
|will be a good source of info), and offer the following: [...]

Thanks for all the email and advice I've gotten from r.m readers!
I can summarize what I've learned this way, very briefly:

1.  The MSF course is a great idea.
2.  Buy good safety equipment now.  Spend more on safety
    equipment than on your first bike.
3.  For a first bike, buy something small, light, used, and
    cheap.  You're going to dump it, and you're going to
    outgrow it.

(Phil Stone, I owe you email.  You slime.)

|>"The absence of any corrective action year after year can only be explained 
|>by bureaucratic rigidities and the abject worship of that bitch-goddess, 
|>cost reduction."  --Ralph Nader, in Unsafe at Any Speed

|What utter and complete bullshit!  Nadar's idea of "corrective action"
|includes seat belt that are there whether you want 'em or not, helmets
|on every motorcyclist, and God knows what else.  The absence of such
|"corrective action" can be explained quite simply:  intelligent people
|DON'T WANT IT!!!!!!!

Well, in the case of the quote above, Nader was writing
specifically about the suspension on early (pre '64) Corvairs.
The design was a cost-reduced version of the original, was
known to have problems (a tendency to cause tires to air out,
and the car to flip), but the manufacturer chose to do nothing
about until until it was forced to.  So, your ob-flame:  NOT!
Intelligent people don't want to let Big Corporations sell
products that the BC's know are unsafe but say are safe anyway.
I don't mind choosing to take a risk if I am informed about the 
risk, but I really, really hate it when I'm lied to.

My ex drives a '63 Monza convertible.  Cool car.  He had the
suspension modified to fix the problem Nader barked about, and
it's now a safer cool car.

---
cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
"All sorts of people who don't know me and my many fine personal qualities 
say absolutely dreadful things about me.  What can you do?  Have them 
killed, of course, but that's *so* expensive." --Jon Carroll
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on VMAX
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:19:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.152317.24176@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
[height of ZX versus FJ passenger pegs]
|Well, there are a number of imponderable/unanswerable questions debated
|here from time to time, but I think we have the technology to answer
|this one. Anyone got a ruler handy?  :-)

  There you go again, trying to get people to actually contribute objective
FACTS to this newsgroup.  You know that that is against the DoD credo, don't
you?

|>but I recall the FJ pegs being the same height from the ground,
|
|One of the things that various magazines have damned the FJ for is "low"
|pegs. When I was shopping for a new bike, the FJ had noticably more leg
|room than the ZX-11, CBR1000 and Katana 1100 (and vastly more leg room
|than the GSXR1100 and FZR1000, but you'd expect them to be cramped).

  We were talking passenger pegs (or at least *I* was) in that paragraph
you are quoting.  That WAS the original question that I was addressing.

|Time for my favorite quote from the July '89 issue of Cycle magazine:

  July 1989???  Let me see - that was *three* years ago, before the ZX-11
came out in *1990*, and WAY before the possibly higher power version of the
ZX-11 which is supposed to come out...

  Come-on Blaine, if you are going to quote mags, at least quote up-to-date
mag issues... :-)

|But then that was last month's flame war, wasn't it? :-)

  Yeah, and you tried to interject *facts* into that one also...  We're going
to get you for this... :-)

Randy Davis                             UUCP: randy@megatek.com
("mean and nasty") ZX-11 #00072 Pilot         megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Road tip #4 (Ski neck)
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:49:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.154237.17969@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
+  There's small Dickies and big Dickies. 

Doesn't this belong on some X-rated newgroup?

____________________________________________________________________________
	You're never too old to become younger -- Mae West
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From: danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Back on two wheels!
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:32:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

After a lot of input from the kind folks here on the net, I just got my new
ride, a 1984 Honda Nighthawk 650.  First impressions: I love it. Lighter than
my old CB750K by 75 - 100 lbs, 9 or 10 more hp, shaft drive so no more chain
lube ritual . . .

I figure to take a few days to get accustomed to the bike, practice a bit,
and go down and take the California riding test, the dreaded "lollipop",
which tests your skills as a potential trials rider while leaving your on
the road behavior unexamined (do you get the impression that I am less than
convinced of the relevance of this test?).

New question: a few weeks ago, I remember a mini-review of the (cheap)
leathers available through J.C. Whitney.  I also seem to remember that some
of the other folks here planned to order some based on the review.  Have
any of you got them yet?  Thoughts?  Should I consider getting them or
should I gulp and shell out a lot more at Road Rider or to Aerostich?
-- 
-----------------------+------------------------+------------------------------
Dana Crom    DoD #0679 | Silicon Graphics, Inc. |  Smile - let them *WONDER* 
danac@morc.asd.sgi.com | (415) 390-1449         |  what you've been up to . . .
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco)
Subject: Helmet laws in Congress? (was: Re: Helmet Law Editorial)
Organization: On the Road
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:17:27 GMT

  Found my letters from my 2 Senators (NJ's Lautenberg and Bradley).

  Sen. Bradley writes that the transportation bill does not require a 
state helmet law but "does transfer a small portion of transportation 
funding to public safety programs in states that do not adopt such laws 
by 1994."  (meaning the state gets less $$$ for safety programs)
  Apparently S. 2204 is "legislation to repeal the penalities 
on grants to states with safety belt and motorcycle helmet safety 
programs." (according to Sen. Lautenberg).  

  Hon. Pallone says that H.R. 4207 is "legislation to repeal the
penalty provisions for States that rightly refuse to pass laws requiring
the use of safety belts and helmets." (Frankie co-sponsored this bill!
as well as the Motorcycle Rider Responsibility Act of 1992 - "which will
modify the harsh and ill-conceived federal mandatory motorcycle 
helmet law.")

Anyone know the status of these bills?

.....................................................................
    Marc Fusco				AMA #638663
    mf@dancer.cc.bellcore.com		DoD #418
.....................................................................
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Official DoD Battle Hymn
Summary: Alternate?
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:26:47 GMT

I was out of touch when nominations were open, and my
tastes run to the obscure so nobody would have voted
for my favorites anyway (how many of us can sing or even hum
along with Lou Reed's ode to his GPz?).  Nevertheless,
I offer a song that has more in the way of battle
and doom that Arlo's classic lyrics do:

    1952 Vincent Black Lightning
    (Richard Thompson, 1991; his version is voice accompanied
    by unamplified 12-string guitar)

    Said Red Molly to James, That's a fine motorbike,
    A girl could feel special on any such like
    Said James to Red Molly, Well my hat's off to you
    It's a Vincent Black Lightning, 1952
    And I've seen you at the corners and cafes, it seems
    Red hair and black leather, my favorite colour scheme
    And he pulled her on behind
    And down to Boxhill they did ride

    Said James to Red Molly, Here's a ring for your right hand
    But I'll tell you in earnest, I'm a dangerous man
    I've fought with the law since I was seventeen
    I robbed many a man to get my Vincent machine
    Now I'm 21 years, might make 22
    And I don't mind dying, but for the love of you
    And if fate should break my stride
    I'll give you my Vincent to ride

    Come down, come down, Red Molly called Sergeant McRae
    For they've taken young James Adie For armed robbery
    Shotgun blast hit his chest left nothing inside
    Come down, Red Molly, to his dying bedside
    When she came to the hospital, there wasn't much left
    He was running out of road, he was running out of breath
    But he smiled to see her cry
    Said I'll give you my Vincent to ride

    Said young James, In my opinion, there's nothing in this world
    Beats a '52 Vincent and a read-headed girl
    Now Nortons and Indians and Greeveses won't do
    They don't have a soul like a Vincent '52
    He reached for her hand and he gave her the keys
    He said I don't have any further use for these
    I see angels on Ariels in leather and chrome
    Swooping down from heaven just to carry me home
    He gave her one last kiss and died
    And he gave her his Vincent to ride

--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco)
Subject: Re: Helmet Law Editorial
Organization: On the Road
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:20:54 GMT

In article <60037@mimsy.umd.edu> leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
>+
>+			Daily Times-Call Editorial
>+[...]
>+Safety considerations aside, the Legislature should pass the law because it
>+can't afford to throw away millions of dollars in federal highway money.
>+And pass the law it will unless the legislative banty roosters who like to
>+posture and crow about mandates from Washington win the day again.
>+[...]
>
>You better believe it.  That argument worked here in Maryland.  As of
>1 Oct 92, we'll have an across-the-board helmet law again, the first
>in almost 15 years.  The Federal Highway Money Blackmail Bill worked
>it's magic here, and it'll work it there, too.  Boy, I feel like I've
>been transported back into the early '70s again.
>
>Bottom line:  Money talks!!
>
	
	Hmm, I'll have to dig out my letters that I got back from my 
congressmen whom I wrote about this issue.  I seem to recall that they 
implied that Fed $$$ were not tied to state helmet laws. 
(of course, why should I believe them!)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: carb synchronizer recommendations?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:36:54 GMT

In article <k21701.715251079@kyyppari> k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo Nieminen) writes:
|(you can never be sure
|about whether the manometers are in synch themselves).

Durnit, somebody went and changed the density of the damn mercury again!

:-)

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Feeling poorly)           |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Being bored)         |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance Companies
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:44:47 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Aug25.212315.22550@cis.ohio-state.edu>, akins@cis.ohio-state.edu (Greg Akins) writes:
> If anyone knows of insurance companies that are 
> sympathetic to motorcycles I would appreciate the information.


Insurance companies are only sympathetic to your money, not motorcycles.
.............Dr. Doom
From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: X-reg in the UK?
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:43:56 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Sep3.203408.2205@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:
>
>The real interesting combinations are banned. Like  A55HOL etc...
>

A few 'interesting' ones slipped through. The best I've seen is on Steve 
Parrish's (ex-Suzuki GP rider) Mercedes;

		PEN15

Well worth paying for?

============================================================================
Richard Taylor                 DoD #981               (rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
"Gentlemen, starta your engines... 2 minutes, to the hills." Massimo Laverda
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Accident Report
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:45:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.moseley.60.714847531
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance

In article <1992Aug25.160248.24210@rtsg.mot.com>
 svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:

>Well, I take some measure of responsibility for not seeing the
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>dog soon enough to avoid it.  That responsibility is probably worth
>about $100 and some time without the bike.  I think the dog was a
>black lab, which is a valuable dog, so I figure the owner suffered
>enough financially and emotionally that I really don't feel too good
>about piling a lawsuit on him.  Besides, a lawsuit would probably
>cost me more than fixing the bike. And, of course, I don't like
>lawyers.  :-/

This would be a hell of better place to live if more people shared your 
attitude, IMHO.

__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco)
Subject: Re: Leaning
Organization: On the Road
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.164412.24579@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>In article <LOTTO.92Aug28154658@laura.harvard.edu> lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>>> On 18 Aug 92 09:31:41 GMT, etlanar@slartibartfast.ericsson.se (Alan Arthur) said:
>>Alan> I'm right handed, so is this some kind of 'built-in' protection
>>Alan> mechanism that I need to overcome?
>>
>>Most people have more trouble turning right than left - regardless of
>>their "handedness".  In a right turn, you control the throttle and
>>modulate handlebar pressure with the same hand.  Countersteering is a
>>lot more natural in a left-lean posture.  This is especially true if
>
>Is it just me, or does anyone else both push and pull?  Not that
>I claim to be immune to this effect, but I never really noticed
>it much.
>-- 
	I thought the trouble with turning right (vs. left)
had to do with the side of the road we drive on (e.g. what we can see,
how we set the line....).
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: More reserve switch questions
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:04:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware

In article <dbc-030992225721@b62003.student.cwru.edu> dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
>In article <Bu17qK.2CM@news.udel.edu>, andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen
>Andersen) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <1992Sep3.233643.28004@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>> >
>> >Have you _ever_ seen an accurate fuel gauge on a bike?
>> 
>> Yes, I see one on my Ducati several times each day...
>> 
>Ahhh, but what are the tolerences? :-)


The gauge Justa' Feet, and it reada Justa' Right...


I think I've been eating too much Pasta (as he grabs and squeezes
the spare tire growing about his midriff...)

Steve



-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."
From: starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 93 Goof2
Keywords: goof2 cbr
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:37:58 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <HSM61J@netmbx.netmbx.de> fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
>In article <13475@pogo.wv.tek.com> kevinm@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kevin Mills) writes:
>
>Not exactly. The '93 Goof2 will have a new rear shock that can be adjusted
>in many more ways than the old one. This is a weak spot on the '92 Goof2.
>
>-Axel
>-- 
>fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
>CBR600F2 (stolen) - RD350LCN (street) - XR250R (dirt)

You are pretty consistent with your use of words. That is precisely
what you said when you posted about your cbr getting stollen.

I have looked very closely at the new 93 and talked at lenght 
with the sales rep at All American Honda and Suzuki. When I
told him about the rumor of the 93 suspension, he told me that was
incorrect and that the ONLY differences were graphics and tires.

I looked myself on the 93 and could not locate any other adjustments
other than the two already existing on the 92.
From: John_Greer@mindlink.bc.ca (John Greer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD shirts
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:36:31 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Thanks Tony!!! Last week was full of surprizes for me.
Sunday the twins arrived.
Wendsday the shirt arrived, and the twins came home.
Sunday-the most sleep I had since last Sat.
Ain't life great?? :-))

--
John Greer@mindlink.bc.can
85-FJ 1100
DoD #0260             A.I.M. #001078530
Jason Greer DoD #0260.5
From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: new bike .vs. vasectomy
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

In article <la9rr6INN2pk@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM (elaine 'BEANO' leffler) writes:
>  [ Procedure deleted ]
>
> anyone squirming yet?
>
Like a squid on hot vinyl.  YYYYyyyeeeeoooowwwwwww. 

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Speaking of triple A....
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Reply-To: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:56:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.192431.13149@worldbank.org> aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>Just curious...if you are a AAA member and your
>bike dies, will they provide tow service? I mean
>will they bring a tow truck out (the flatbed type)
>and pick up your bike?  How about dead batteries?
>Will they come and jump start your bike for you?
>Strange question but I'm wondering if anyone
>has had any experience with this since I've never
>heard of a similiar service for motorcycles....
>and heaven forbid, will they come out if you
>lock your keys in your bike? ;-) ....

Soapbox mode on:

	AAA is just about fucking worthless for motorcycles.  No, they will not
tow your bike.  I assume they'd have to come jump-start it, but I imagine
they'd come up with some bullshit risk-management reason not to.  Their idea
of a "scenic" triptik is bullshit--the nicest roads tend to be the curviest,
most out-of-the-way ones, and AAA avoids those.  Their insurance service has
astronomical prices.  Last, but not least, the kind folks who help you do the
taxes and tags don't know shit about how to do it for motorcycles (try getting
tags for a previously salvaged bike in PA at AAA.  Then go to a messenger.
Note the difference).

Soapbox mode off.

YMMV,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114   1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	   (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New Toy!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:15:49 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG) writes:

>Hi there, I have just got a new toy, 89 Kawasaki EX500.
>Does anyone have the same bike? Any comments on this bike, good or bad?
>How much would be a fair price for this bike?

IMO, never ask what a fair price is for a bike you just bought.  Can only
piss you off when you find out.

Price bikes _before_ you purchase, decide if the bike is worth to you
what the sellers are asking for it, then either buy it or don't.  


-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis)
Subject: Re: Lynda Barry for DoD
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:35:11 GMT

In article <3880127@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> sievertl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lisa Sieverts) writes:
>/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) /  5:59 pm  Aug 25, 1992 /
>
>* She really belongs in the DoD if she is on her way to Sturgis.
>* Sturgis ended a week or two ago.  She is probably wondering why
>* all the motorcycles are headed the other way.  At least she won't
>* have trouble finding a room when she gets there.
>
>Yeah, yeah, I heard a lot of this.  OK, she's a CARTOONIST, an ahtist, 
>and it takes a little while for an ahtist to put her experiences into
>deathless prose (and picture) so OBVIOUSLY she really went to Sturgis
>while it was happening and what we are experiencing is the lack of
>real time in cartooning and newspaper publishing, so there.

 lynda 'keep your tires rubber side down' barry

 Barry's Fav Sturgis Events

 * fog hat concert
 
 * motorcycle rodeo

 * medievel motorcycle festival

 * annual sturgis king of the hill competition

 * all harley drag nationals

 * waylon & willie
 
 * fog hat encore

 * sexy bodyweb display

 * tatto artists galore


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speeding motorcycle let's go let's go let's go

                 tim@vestek.com
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