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From: lizakre@snybufva.cs.snybuf.edu (Rob Lizak Jr.)
Subject: Layout Design Software?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:59:00 GMT
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Hello...

  In my basement sits some nice benchwork I put together for a small layout. 
I am hoping there is a piece of software out there for PC's to allow me to do a
layout design on my PC and fiddle with it rather than doing it on the board
itself.  Does such a beast exist?

Thanks!
Rob Lizak Jr.

lizakre@snybufva.cs.snybuf.edu

Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: horn@Niord.shsu.edu (James T. Horn)
Subject: FAQ File
Organization: Sam Houston State University, Huntsville, Texas
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:10:37 GMT
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    Would someone repost the last FAQ post, or let me know when it
    will be posted. I am new to model trains, and just wanted to get
    some background on this list.
    Thank you.


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From: fred@samson.lbl.gov (Alan Wandesforde)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: "G" scale newbie questions
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:00:50 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
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In article <1993Jan6.232701.18356@cs.sandia.gov> wllarso@sandia.gov (William L Larson) writes:
>I have some questions about "G" scale trains.  I am a complete novice
>about model railroading and hope to get some information.  I have read
>the FAQ and found the section on G scale helpful, but not enough.
>
>etc......

A good source of info on this scale can be found in both Outdoor Railroader
adn Garden Railways magazines.

AHWandesforde.lbl.gov


From: spangler@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bill Spangler)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:14:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Request: Viewing sites (Bay Area)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

> Finally, I can think of the live steam trains at Tilden Park in the hills
> above Berkeley. You can ride two different sizes. The big size runs
> continuously, the smaller runs whenever there's enough people.

The "big size" is the Redwood Valley Railroad Co., a 15" gauge family-run 
commercial operation, with some very nice steam engines.  I think it runs 
pretty much every day.  As I recall, a 5-ride "family ticket" was $5 the 
last time I bought one, and single tickets were about $1.25 (might be
higher by now).

The "smaller" is the Golden Gate Live Steamers (GGLS) club track. It has
7.5" and 4.75" ground tracks and a smaller 4.75" and 3.5" elevated track.
During mid-day on most Sundays, rides on some 7.5" gauge steam trains on 
the outer track are offered to the public.  Rides are free, but there is  
a donation box.  The public access to the GGLS track is by going past the
Redwood Valley ticket booth and proceeding under their trestle to the
GGLS station area.

Bill Spangler
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Public Domain or Shareware programs available?
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:17:46 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <1993Jan4.160745.2310@cs.wm.edu> scott@comp1.cc.wm.edu writes:
>I am new to the list and was wondering if there are any public domain
>or shareware programs available for model railroad enthusiast.????
>Scott
>scott@comp1.cc.wm.edu

I have found a package of three shareware programs.

Trainzet(TRAINZ.SEA, Library 1) is a collection of three construction sets--
Trainzet, Trams, and Trainzet II -- that let you create model-railroad layouts
on-screen. You can place buildings, trains, and more. Shareware, $30. 380K.

Now, here is the tricky part. this is accesible only thru compuserv on
ZiffNet/Mac, MacUser's OnLine software/information bbs. 

If anyone has access to this board PLEASE download this package and post it or
mail it to wuarchive:

          Submissions are welcome (and encouraged). Please mail them to:
                        submissions@mac.archive.umich.edu 
                                      -OR-
                          macgifts@mac.archive.umich.edu
        (which forwards to other Macintosh repositories such as Sumex-Aim)
                                      -OR-
                      FTP them into our incoming directory
                  
If someone knows of a free(no credit cards) way to get to ZiffMac please let me
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From: mgb5528@cc.utah.edu (MICHAEL G. BECK)
Subject: Marklin Digital HO Programming
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  4 Jan 1993 21:38 MST  

  Hi there, I am hoping to get a discussion group going on Marklin Digital HO 
and the programming applications thereof.  I would like to discuss any and all 
aspects of writing programs for train control and automation.  I am aware of 
the Marklin Digital SIG (Catherall), but would like to move into more advanced 
subjects than the Digital SIG tends to delve into.

If you are interested, please contact me:

Michael Beck
mgb5528@cc.utah.edu
Undergrad in History at the University of Utah.


Thanks...
Michael
From: wbrown@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Bill Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Request: Viewing sites (Bay Area)
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:40:43 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.192.17

In article <1ifn2bINNnvj@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> sdm@pyramid.Corp.Sun.COM (Scott Mann) writes:
>   ...
>Don't forget Roaring Camp next to Henry Cowell State Park in Felton.
>They run a steam train up an 18% grade!  They also run a diesel (GP9)
>from Felton to Santa Cruz during the summer.   ...

I could be wrong, but I think it's a "CF-7" - originally a F-7 which
Santa Fe converted to a hood unit.  Perhaps a
	"net.maven.railroad.locomotive.diesel"
will provide the correct answer......

Disclaimer:  These opinions are my own and have	    |
    nothing to do with the official policy or the   |  -bill
    management of L.B.L, who probably couldn't      |   wlbrown@lbl.gov
    care less about employees who play with trains. |
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: wey@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (william.e.yoder)
Subject: Re: looking for comments on airbrushes
Summary: my experiences ...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:13:49 GMT

In article <930104132512@d-cell.ftp.com>, stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles) writes:

> >I also recommend having both a color-cup and a bottle-cap for paint. Badger's
> >new accu-flex model paint screws right into the cap, and seems pretty decent,
> >but it was a bit of work to clean from the internal-mix (more later).
> >
> >Den
> 
> thanx for the info. the new MR (the one with the SP GP-60 on the cover) has
> a review of the new accu-flex paint. not long, but interesting. the key
> seems to be simple, use nothing but water with the paint. they said it turns
> into something like jelly if you mix other things with it . . . 
> 
> 
I have used the Accu-flex paint several times and it can be a bitch to 
clean out of a Badger 200. It seems to stick too well inside the airbrush,
during operation, so that cleaning it becomes tough. Anyone else have this
problem? 

Bill Yoder
From: Madil001@mc.duke.edu (James Madill)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Train Show
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:40:36 GMT
Distribution: nc
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

The Eno Valley Railroad is hosting a model train show this weekend at the
Lakewood YMCA in Durham.  The show hours are Saturday, Jan 9 from 9:00 - 5:00
and Sunday, Jan 10 from 1:30 - 5:00.  There will be three layouts: our HO
layout, North Raleigh's N scale layout and a G scale layout.  We are trying to
get one of our railscopes working by showtime.

--
James Madill                                    Internet: madil001@mc.duke.edu
Box 3900 DUMC                                   Bitnet: madil001@dukemc.bitnet
Duke University Medical Center
Durham, NC 27710
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Brass locos and painting
Reply-To: mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:55:13 GMT

Greetings!  I'm new to this group and equally new to model railroading,
but I am an experienced modeler.  I am in the process of painting a
brass loco for a friend and since it is in the $300+ range I don't want
to botch it up.  I heard a suggestion to prepare the brass by "pickling"
it in vinegar to roughen up the surfaces a bit.  Is this a good
suggestion and does it have any potential side effects?  I was also a bit
surprised that for the price the engineer's compartment was rather sparse
in detail.  Is this normal for Locos?  Responses can be by e-mail or the
net, and many thanks in advance.

A simple PS.  Any good beginner type reference books on locomotives?
In the aircraft/armor world you can find things such as Modern Aircraft
of the World, etc., but are there equivalents in the railroad world?
Kent M. McClure
Auto racing afficionado and member of San
Jose IPMS chapter.
My views are what they are, like them or not.
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Holding down rails * ties
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:22:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.models.railroad
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


In article <s_fuller.726252622@vincent2.iastate.edu>
s_fuller@iastate.edu (Steve Fuller) writes:


#  I was thinking of using premade track instead of laying my own ties and
#  rails.  What is the best way to hold the track down? Can it be done
#  using just glue and ballast, or is there another preferred way?

Track is expensive and gluing it down will make it impossible to lift. 
Points, in particular, twist and buckle when you try to lift them.  So
fix the track with pins. 

#  If I use premade track, is there an easy way to get rid of the ugly end
#  ties that companies like atlas usually use???

Use pre-made flexible track; hack the end sleepers (=ties) after laying
and pinning; distract the viewer's attention by painting the sleepers a
boring brown colour and putting interesting lineside structures and
landscape about. 

#  Would a better method, from a realism standpoint, I don't mind if this
#  takes a long time to build, be to handlay my own track and use
#  commercial turnouts??

Yes, but not everybody can do it, even in a long time; look at the
workmanship on a Farish Liveway 2mm point or crossing.  Track may not be
your main interest -- myself, I am more interested in doing landscape or
rolling stock or locomotives, and I would only make track if I really
needed something that I couldn't buy.  Of course, if you hand-make track
you can fashion 3-way points, mixed gauge track, check rails etc., and
these may not be available off the shelf. 

Ken Johnson


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From: bruceb@mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Brass locos and painting
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:20:08 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1993Jan7.145513.9586@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>A simple PS.  Any good beginner type reference books on locomotives?
>In the aircraft/armor world you can find things such as Modern Aircraft
>of the World, etc., but are there equivalents in the railroad world?
>
	A good reference is Kalmbachs "Steam Locomotive Cyclopaedia",
    a large (coffee table size) softbound book with a blue cover. They
    publish a Diesel locomotive companion as well. You should be able
    to find this book advertised in a "Model Railroader" or a hobby
    shop with an interest in model railroading. I have a copy, and like 
    to book as it has photos and most of the drawings are in HO scale.



								Bruce



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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal)
Subject: PECO prices in UK
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Distribution: rec.models.railroad
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:35:28 GMT
Followup-To: group
Keywords: PECO prices

Hi everybody, 
as PECO is an English company, this mail is more directed towards our
UK readers of the group. 

Living in the USA, I have experienced that N-Scale PECO switches and 
Flex-trak is less expensive than in France (by far). However, before 
wasting all my dollars, in the USA; I would like to know how much some items 
cost in England (all N-scale) : 

#6 electrofrog switch
#8 electrofrog switch
Y switch

1 meter flex track (code 80)

Motor for switches 
Electric switch for PECO turnouts (to be installed on top of the coils).

Thank you in advance, for any information.

Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: sra@bistromath.mitre.org (Stan R. Ames)
Subject: Re: new command control system ads
Keywords: Lenz
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:32:34 GMT

In article <1hdbq9INNd5t@kralizec.zeta.org.au> craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick) writes:
>
>In the December 1992 issue of RMC (hey! It's arrived in Australia BEFORE the
>end of the issue month! How amazing), on page 113, is an advertisement for the
>range of multi-train control products being built by Lenz that, I believe, are
>designed to use the new multi-train control system standard being developed by
>various groups. Stan Ames seem to post regularly to this newsgroup about it.
>
>Has anyone experimented with any of this stuff yet?
>-- S
Craig

Expect to see more advertisers in the next year.  I am pleased to report that 
10 manufacturers are now on board supporting the draft NMRA standard.

Kits will be available from an 11th.

The draft of the electrical portion is being sent to the NMRA Technical 
Department this week and the Packet Structure should follow latter this
month.  We have begun work on the various supporting RPs includind one
that describes a packet format for high end systems.

The Lenz system you saw the advirtisement for is just being released.  I
am testing the booster and expect to see a command station shortly.

The digital controllers that Lenz markets under the Digital + line are
improved versions of the receivers that Marklin and Arnold also market.

This year will be a very busy year for the NMRA Command COntrol Working
Group.  In addition to the standard and RPs which we should complete soon
we are also writing various articles and preparing clinics.  We have
converted a large number of locomotives that range from Z scale to G
scale including a 3 rail pre war American Flyer (it now runs on
DC, AC, and Command Control)

I expect that by the NMRA COnvention in August you will see several
of the new command stations on the market.

If I can be of any more help just ask.

Stan Ames
From: macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: looking for comments on airbrushes
Keywords: airbrushing
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:31:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <921229112542@d-cell.ftp.com> stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles) writes:
>i understand the difference between single and double action, but i dont
>understand why one might be better then the other. might it be a price
>related distinction? *anyway*, what should i be looking for? are some easier
>to clean that others, as an example? are some bad at things like water based
>paints?

OK, a single-action brush works kinda like a spray can... you push the
button  and a paint/air mixture comes out. The mixture of paint-air is
determined by some setting screw, and you adjust it before painting.

A double-action brush uses the "button" to turn on the air only.  You then
feather the button back to add paint to the mix.  This gives you extremely
fine control over the amount of paint... which is useful when weathering
or doing other "blending".  It is also a bit trickier to learn, and is not
really useful for normal painting, so I'd recommend a single-action as a 
"first airbrush".

The other "key element" in airbrushes is internal vs. external mix.  IN an
internal mix brush, the paint flows into the body of the brush and is mixed
with air in an internal chamber. An external-mix does this outside of the
gun, right at the tip.  An internal-mix gives a nicer spray (usually), but
at the expense of more cleaning work.

My personal recommendations for a "first brush":

-Badger model 200- single-action internal mix
  Great for model paints (but hard to clean water-based)
  Can create a very fine pattern (for weathering)
  Fairly inexpensive

-Paasche Model H- single action external mix
  Paints almost as well as the 200, but can't get quite as fine
  very easy to clean up
  cheap
  -bad point- IMHO it's very heavy and "clunky" compared to the Badger

I also recommend having both a color-cup and a bottle-cap for paint. Badger's
new accu-flex model paint screws right into the cap, and seems pretty decent,
but it was a bit of work to clean from the internal-mix (more later).

Den
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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Subject: Re: looking for comments on airbrushes
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 13:25:12

In article <1355@blue.cis.pitt.edu> macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert) writes:
>I also recommend having both a color-cup and a bottle-cap for paint. Badger's
>new accu-flex model paint screws right into the cap, and seems pretty decent,
>but it was a bit of work to clean from the internal-mix (more later).
>
>Den

thanx for the info. the new MR (the one with the SP GP-60 on the cover) has
a review of the new accu-flex paint. not long, but interesting. the key
seems to be simple, use nothing but water with the paint. they said it turns
into something like jelly if you mix other things with it . . .
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

In rec.models.railroad, tysko@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (John E. Tysko) writes:

> 
>   My son received some money for Christmas, and promptly 
> went to the hobby store to buy something for his new Lionel.
> One of the things he bought was a K-line rotating beacon tower
> (the read and green lights they use at airports). The problem
> is, it won't rotate. I ballanced the lenses so they don't
> drag, and used graphite on the top of the bulb to reduce 
> the friction, but it still wont turn. Can anyone give me a
> hint on how to get it to spin?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> one that they 
> -- 
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I've got a quick question:
Is the bulb the ORIGINAL bulb? If this thing is like the ones I saw as a
child, the heat from the bulb is supposed to make it turn (heat rising,
pulling on a a set of vanes). If it is original, is it getting enough juice?
As I remember, the accessory terminals of a typical 1950s Lionel pack packed
(sorry, couldn't resist it!) a punch.
Just a guess!

 
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From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:40:55 GMT
Subject: Re: RR manuals gone
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

In rec.models.railroad, ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl) writes:

> 
> The railroad manuals offered in an earlier post are gone.  I have
> received an offer for them.  -- Thanks.  -- Ernest
> -- 
> "My other computers are Nikon N8008s and an SB25." -- Ernest H. Robl
> Ernest H. Robl (ehr@ecsvax)  Durham, NC, USA   +1  919   286-3845
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> This .signature meets plate C specifications (for rec.railroad fans)
      
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From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:49:30 GMT
Subject: Re: All about Kadees
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

#27 and 28 are non-metallic, which is very important if you use multiple
lashups of powered units...the moment they couple, if you use the metallic
ones like #5 for example, you have a short circuit, and all the action
stops.

Just my two cents. :-) Feels good to put up a smiley! :-)

 
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From: abrown@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Any info regarding Model Railroad clubs,organizations,video libraries
Organization: Clark University
Date: 6 JAN 93 21:35:09 GMT

in the Central Mass area? Thanks
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