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From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Are edges necessary for backcountry skiing?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:12:22 GMT
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec17.235217.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>, siegel_r@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:

|> 
|> 	Given that we are not that experienced X-C  skiers, do we really need
|> the full-length metal edge if we want to learn telemarking or other graceful
|> ways of going dowhill on X-C skis?  Would other 'off-track' skis such as the
|> Fischer country series do ? (at half the price!). Our other concern is that the
|> weight of the Kaharus and the heavier boots which we would buy to go with them
|> would slow us down along the flats and make those heavenly treks across frozen
|> lakes into arduous slogs !
|> 
The most important thing to have is sturdy boots. Something like Asolo
Snowfields, which offer some ankle support and have a sole that is
has significant torsional rigidity. These features allow you to control
the skis while skiing downhill. These and similar boots also flex adequately
at the toe so that kick and glide is possible.

As far as skiis are concerned, edges are not always necessary - it depends
on where and when you ski. If you only ski in fresh powder or Spring corn,
you can get away without edges. However, if you will encounter ice or even
hard wind-pack, you will want edges.

The Karhu XCD-GT is one of the classic metal-edge backcountry skis.
If you elect to go the no-edge route - the Fischer Touring Crown is a 
very nice ski (the Crown is no-wax, but a waxable version also is sold).
BTW, thats another decision point - waxing takes some additional effort but
in areas that are cold (like Maine) the improved performance (and quiet)
of waxed skis justifies the work. In CA, waxing is more challenging since
much of the time, temperatures hover around the freezing point.

-- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: >Snowboarders Suck
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:38:46 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <Bzp78H.4o3@vcd.hp.com>, thatcher@vcd.hp.com (Garen Thatcher) writes:
|> When this guy finally looks up and sees what is going on, he decides
|> that it is his infinite best interest to swear at me.

 So he's an arsehole, there's a lot of it about.
 
|> Snowboarders Suck

 Don't see how this follows, maybe where you ski there are too many
snowboarders with attitudes but where I ski they arn't a problem.
 Most of them stick to the easy slopes & all the ones I've seen on the
more interesting runs have been as considerate & aware as most of the
skiers.

|> 	   ... I don't think he did it on purpose, just happened. What
|> really pissed me off was his attitude and his language. What a jerk.

 Exactly. He was a jerk, no doubt he'd have been just as much of a jerk
if he'd had skis on his feet.

	W.

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From: klkarp@remus.rutgers.edu (karen)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: White Face
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:05:26 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I went to Lk. Placid last year for a few days and I had a great time!
I went at the end of March and we had fresh snow almost everyday,
though, like everyone else has said so far, it was really cold.

You should also check out the bobsled and luge which is right near
Lake Placid.  I don't know anywhere else you get the chance to try
these for yourself. 
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From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Utah thanks
Date: 2 Jan 93 02:34:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

I went to Salt Lake City for a ski trip in the middle of December, and I just 
wanted to thank all those who responded to my pleas for information, as well as
thanking the folks who maintain the ski archive at slc.  We skiied Alta, 
Brighton, and Sundance, and thouroughly enjoyed them all, especially the latter
two.  IMO, Brighton was the best, because the two high-speed quads greatly 
increased the ski-to-lift ratio.  There were no crowds to speak of the days we
skiied (Friday, Sunday, and Monday the 18th, 20th, and 21st).  The only bad 
part was having to get 9 stitches the first day cause of a bad turn I made
(and don't bother with the Texas skiier remarks; I heard 'em all in the waiting
area).  
-- 
|* Joe Carl White      | _/\_ |            |      joewhite@emx.cc.utexas.edu *|
|* 910 E. 32nd, #201   | \  / |____________|    LBJ School of Public Affairs *|
|* Austin, TX 78705    | /  \ |////////////|   Perot didn't win, but we did! *|
|* 512-499-8431        |   ^  |////////////| UNITED WE STAND:Axe the deficit *|
From: sls16@po.CWRU.Edu (Samuel L. Shank)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: White Face
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:10:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Has anyone been to White Face (the place that they had the olympics back in
'84 or '80 in NY, Lake Placid NY)?  I was thinking of taking a trip there this
year sometime.  Also, how about summer skiing in Blackcomb?  Has anyone ever
gone there in the summer months?  If so, how was it?  I may also be planning
a trip there.
Thanks,
-- 
Sam Shank
sls16@po.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:16:54 GMT
	<JON.92Dec30134612@zeus.med.utah.edu> <1992Dec31.104243@is.morgan.com>
Organization: University of Utah

In article <1992Dec31.104243@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) writes:

   Interestingly, a good friend of mine who has been skiing for over 20 years
   now and never learned to ski properly , refuses  to carve or do any
   accepted thing for that matter  for one reason : it TIRES him a lot. 
   He goes down the hill -ANY hill- in  style that I can only describe as
   crab-like, but  confidently, fast and safe ,in arrogant  defiance of any 
   accepted ski dogma and my advice. He doesn't get tired much. However, each 
   time he attempts to follow me through graceful arcs (I am a form freak, for 
   those interested), his legs ache, his back aches, he is out of breath and 
   falling ...  Observing him in Killington  a lot, I established that his ski 
   style is absolutely adequate and legitimate on ice, hardpack, moguls, 
   groomed.  I expect it to fall apart in powder, although  he says he had no 
   trouble in CO ...

Hmm.  I wonder how he would do in trees, where it is sometimes
imperative to keep your skis close together, in a precise alignment.

One thing that I have noticed about people who ski with their skis far
apart: They soon learn to use their legs independently because their
skis are often on slightly different surfaces.  I think that some
parallel skiers try too hard to make their two feet move as one.  It
seems natural to me that my legs should act and react independently no
matter how close together they are.  What do you think?

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
Xref: sparky rec.skiing:8799 rec.backcountry:9822
From: fauvel@marte.iro.umontreal.ca (Sylvain Fauvel)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cable binding modification for dual tension
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:36:52 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Dec18.220801.6599@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead) writes:
>In article <LAUNCE.92Dec17113932@medusa.med.utah.edu> launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>>I just got a setup from Voile that uses *both* 3-pin *and* cable.
>>Basically it is a regular 3-pin binding w/bail, and a "cable" of
>>coiled spring/metal clip throw hooked onto the toepiece.  The "cable"
>>part is removable, so when I'm hiking or gliding or mellow descents, I
>>can take it off.  For steeper stuff, I can hook it back on for a more
>>controlled descent.  It's also nice due to the redundancy factor, as
>>if one system fails, there's always the other to hold your boot in.
>
>I have a similar binding from Rottefella.  I have experimented with
>the cable, but have not noticed any improvement in downhill
>control, so I never use it.  Do you really notice the difference
>the cable makes?
>
>Ed

	On the rotefella, the cable has to be clipped on the ski,
    in front of the binding.  This make the cable unusable with
    a voile release system.  Does the Voile binding have cables
    attached to the binding alone?  I would be interested.

	To answer the last question, the cable do not help me much
    on dowhill but are a good security in case your boot fail (cracks
    where the pins are).  I also like cables when climbing in deep
    snow.  Without the cables, the back tend to stray in the snow.
    This is a minor problem though and may not be a problem at all
    with very stiff boots.


							Sylvain Fauvel
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: A question of vanity
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:42:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


    From the Ski School of Cosmetology; my wife
and I bought new skiis for this year. We usually 
upgrade every two years. A friend of mine opened
a shop selling used skiis, and I've noticed that
the appearance of the topskin has a direct effect
on the price the skiis pull in. Now my question;
I'm thinking of putting that 'Ski Saver' protective
tape stuff on our boards before we use them, to
keep that pretty (and functionless) topskin lookin'
good. Has anyone tried this stuff ? Does it work ?
Can it be removed later (like if it gets all ripped
and mangled ?) Will the lack of gouges, scratches
and chunks make lift companions lose respect for
me ? Will I be possesed by an overwhelming need to
buy Bogner suits and a condo at Deer Valley ?
Thanks for any experiences, and have a good holiday
even my fellow ice skater...uh eastern skiers.


                           john cloyd

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From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Mass and Speed Control (especially on bumps)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:11:55 GMT
Keywords: bumps, weight

One topic I have yet to see discussed either here or by a ski
instructor is what larger, heavier people need to do to stay in
control on steep bumpy slopes.  I'm not huge (190), but I'm bigger
than the people people who I see gracefully bouncing through bumps
controlling their speed with just a little scrape on each, and
I've never understood how they do it.  I can make tight, quick
turns on a steep slope, but after half a dozen I am approaching
warp speed and it's time for a long scrape or a big turn up hill.
No trouble on smooth slopes but deadly on the bumps.  Once that
happens, it's back to stumbling around in terror of going too
fast until I get (over) confident again and point them downhill.
The heavier you are, the more potential energy you have to
dump in descending  a steep slope.  It's all got to go either into
your edges or your knees.  Contrary to someone else's posting, I
can't stay in control plowing on steep, hard slopes, no matter how
hard I edge.  There's just not enough friction to absorb the
energy.  Having had one knee operation, I'd just as soon
minimize the energy absorbed in my knees.  Any 200 pounders out
there who can ski bumps?  How do you keep from accellerating?

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
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From: rafe@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rafael Furst)
Subject: Lodging in N. Lake Tahoe
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:10:08 GMT

I'm looking for inexpensive lodging in the North Lake Tahoe area for a
few days at a time (i.e. weekends).  Does anyone have names of
particular motels/hotels/condos that they either run or know about
that meet the above specification?  Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

--Rafe

-- 
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Rafael Furst
rafe@cs.stanford.edu
(415) 424-1463
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Park City - Snowboarding
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
	<1992Dec23.214706.16958@udel.edu>
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:42:59

In article <1992Dec14.182230.17719@pts1.pts.mot.com> CHARLES ACTOR X2922
P7091, ep502ca@pts.mot.com writes:
   >Where in the Park City area are snowboards allowed?  And what are the
   >conditions like?

In a recent article, I posted that snowboards are allowed at Solitude.
 
BZZZZT... Wrong.  Sorry.  

But Brighton takes 'em next door.

-- launce
From: green@are.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Green)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Anyone Skiing Tahoe Wednsday 12/30: Ride Needed
Date: 29 Dec 1992 18:22:22 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

Hi, does anyone going to Tahoe on Wednsday from the bay area have an open
seat?  I will split gas and all that.  Please call Gary at (510) 654-5951.
Thanks in advance...

	Gary

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: wrw1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.r.wiebalk)
Subject: skiing w/in hours of L.A.?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:38:04 GMT


I will be in Los Angeles in January.  I will have 1 weekend to
ski.  I am looking for suggestions on someplace "not too far away"
to spend the weekend skiing.

To give you a reference point....I spent part of my honeymoon at
Mammouth and June.

Since I will only have 2 days to ski (arrive at the slopes late 
Friday night, and catch a late Monday morning flight out of LAX), 
I am looking for anything that has a shorter driving time than
Mammouth/June.

Thanks!  (If you have a favorite hotel/condo, you could include
that in your reply too!)

	Wayne Wiebalk

(Sorry, I couldn't limit distribution to CA)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Reply-To: root@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:43:41 GMT

In article 724987471@helix, jcn@rice.edu () writes:
> zod@ncube.com (Operator) writes:
> 
> >Let's join some of the cities who are boycotting Colorado,
> >in protest to their newly passwd, discriminatory law against
> >gays.
> 
> Blah, blah blah.  The ordinance was to restrict the granting of 
> "special rights" to any group.  It's funny how we used to be a 
> conglomeration of people, but now we seem intent on going the 
> way of Yugoslavia et al.  Anyone for a civil war?
>
That's exactly my point. More segregation is not an answer.
 
> >It's wrong to discriminate against any group. The reemergence
> >of Pat Bucanon and the far right threatens the freedom of all
> >skiers and the snowboarders. I just can't see myself bow to
> >the extremists and to the people and States who support them.
> 
> Fine.  More snow and snow areas for the rest of us.
>
Freedom, is the answer. You are politically naive. You don't see the
signs of totalitarianism. This is not meant to flame you. It's just
that I have been in those situations. One by one your rights will
diminish. Today the rights of some people who you don't care about
go away. Tomorrow they will use the same argument in the courts to
take your rights away. Just Beware, and keep your eyes open. 
> 				   *



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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:30:18 GMT

bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
>I have a sort of important question.  I'm a relatively new skier (i.e. been
>seriously skiing for a little over a year, been skiing as a whole for three)
>Anyway, I tend to ski mostly blues (or greens even, if they're fun and
>I don't want to embarrass myself for falling).  Let's just say that I can
>probably ski most blues without falling at a reasonable speed and control.
>The question I have though is this: how do you stop on bumps?

I'm not sure what you mean by "seriously skiing" for a year, but I suspect
from your description of your skiing that you haven't taken lessons beyond
biginner lessons (if that). Although you can learn by watching others ski,
and trying to do what fellow netters describe, I don't think either route
will get you to the kind of skiing that you want to do nearly as quickly
as takig a few lessons at a good ski school, so you can have the techniques
explained and demonstrated for you, and more important, have someone who
knows what you are supposed to be doing and is trained to observe
carefully correct what you are doing. As others have pointed out here,
when you are doing thing right on the groomed terrain, it isn't hard to
do the same thing on the bump runs.

>I tried that once without making sure, and some snowboarder didn't have
>anti-lock brakes <grin> so he hit me pretty hard).

I agree that in self defense, you have to look uphill before turning in
some areas. But the boarder was definitely wrong: the down hill skier has
the right of way (unless starting up from a dead stop). If he could not
avoid hitting a skier down hill from him, he was sking out of control.
In some areas the boarder might have had his lift ticket pulled by the
ski patrol (justifiably). BTW, this applies equally to skiers and boarders.

Bill Hery
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: drbill@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (william.h.davies)
Subject: Re: Rossi 4SK or 7SK? (Get the DV6S)
Keywords: rossi dvs6 equipment recommendation
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:31:48 GMT

In article <1go0qpINNipu@west.West.Sun.COM> maxda@rocketer.ism.isc.com (Max D.) writes:
>
>Rossi 4SK or 7SK?
>Which one is better for an advanced intermediate going for speed and steep?
>Any help would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>

Both the 4SK and 7SK are great choices; however, I would opt for Rossi's
new DV6S - an all-terrain ski with a slalom sidecut:

The 4SK is considered the most successful racing ski of all time - used
as the benchmark for many high performance skis; favored by both racers
and non-racers alike.

The 7SK is Rossi's maximum performance slalom ski and used by racers like
Alberto Tomba, Paul Accola, and Vreni Schneider.  This board is known for
its edge grip, precision, and quickness.

Now for the DV6S sales pitch . . . .  *Supposedly* this is the ski of
choice for Rossi ski racers when they're just yahoo'ing down the slopes
and not competing.  This ski rides real quiet when just cruising, but
responds immediately when you want to turn (carves with precicion in
SL and GS types); it has awesome edge grip (result of the "diagonal
variation effect", DVE, Rossi's version of the mono[bloc,coque] 
construction); the ski also handles well over varying terrain.  The DV6S
has a sintered racing base, LIS (low inertia system) tip for lower swing
weight, and a primo graphic covered with their new durable Rossitop.
If it sounds like I bought a pair . . . I did!  And, I am more than pleased.
The only drawback is having to sit in my office, thinking about making turns,
rather than getting to do it!  The skis also passed the *acid-test* during
our ski patrol annual toboggan certification last weekend (had to ski the
steeps, ice, crud, and some packed powder with a patient in the sled).

I honestly think you would be delighted with the DV6S - an all-terrain ski
with a high-performance feel.

Hope this helps!


Bill Davies, drbill@aluxpo.att.com
Live slow, Ski fast . . . .
From: 52pickup@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Lodging in Vail
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:29:48 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University


        If any one has any infomation on good places to stay in 
vail CO for the end of January and beginning of February.
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From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Subject: Re: seeking Salt Lake recommendations
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:46:36 GMT

Stick with Alta! It has a nice easy beginner's run that goes on a long way...
When you increase your confidence levels it has as much challenging terrain
as you could hope for. IMHO Alta is the _best_ skiing in the U.S. No hype,
no glitz, just _great_ snow and _superb_ terrain.

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From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb vs Sun Valley?
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:58:03 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 291292134929@teunas.mitre.org, jat@linus.mitre.org (Jim Teunas) writes:
> Last year I went to Steamboat and the year before Vail...
> This year am considering either Whistler/Blackcomb or Sun 
> Valley Id.
> 
> Can anyone give some hints as to how the skiing compares???
> I don't care anything about the shopping or the nightlife since
> my usual practice is to be at the lifts when they open and and am
> completly crashed out by 8:30 at night.
> 
> My usual skiing is in New Hampshire/Vermont/Maine.  I have fun going down
> everything except the double bozo runs ( double diamonds and bumps are fine
> )
> and don't jump off cliffs unless something is chasing me....
> 
> Thanx for any suggestions!!  Jim Teunas

Sun Valley has consistently excellent bump runs (Holiday being my favorite --
no traffic or onlookers). There is a lot of open terrain as well as tree skiing.
The bowls on Seattle Ridge are a blast, and there is a lot of room on some of the
steeper groomed runs if you just want to cruise.

The whole season I worked there, there was _never_ a need to wait in a lift line.
Another good thing about SV is that the people who go there tend to be more
serious skiers because it is not as accessible as other resorts.
From: mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Coupons fos Killington
Keywords: coupons
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:45:34 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: AT&T

I was just wondering if there are any
discount coupons for the lifts at Killington.
I live in Jersey and there is a place here
called Vernon Valley Great Gorge that puts
coupons in the local papers, discounting the
lift tickets. The reason I ask is a bunch of my
cheap friends, (including myself) are going skiing
at Killington sometime in Feb. and would like
to save some moola on the lifts. Any comments would
be greatly appreciated.

       C-ya Mark
.
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From: bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear)
Subject: Helicopter Skiing/Canadian Goods Tax
Keywords: Helicopter
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:23:42 GMT

I am going up to Mike Wiegele's Helicopter Skiing and wanted to know about 
the %6 tax that the Canadian Goverment charges. I believe that I can get a
refund on this since I am  a USA citizen. Has anyone done this or know
how it works. I went up two years ago just after the tax was imposed and
did not get it back, but I have read on the net sometime ago that we could
get this refunded.

thanks,
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