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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: BASIC bashing (per comp.lang.basic)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:11:18 GMT
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article 28792@fullfeed.fullfeed.com, rat@fullfeed.fullfeed.com (David Douthitt) writes:
>
>What I really want to know is why people *READING* alt.lang.basic are
>bashing BASIC so much.  If you don't like it, get lost.  Go create
>alt.lang.basic.bashing -- or better yet, get yourself talk.basic.bashing.

Those that bash BASIC & BASIC programmers are of the same ilk as those that
constantly claim "my computer is better than your computer."  Professional
developers may well have a favorite programming language, but the smarter
ones would never totally ignore _any_ other language simply based on some
immature and illogical bias grown out of ignorance.

Does the end user care what a program was written in?  I think not.  What's
important is how well that program does the job at hand.

BASIC has matured tremendously over the years.  Too bad some people do not.
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From: galenr@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Galen Raben)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:49:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Visual Basic info wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic

In alt.lang.basic, hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:

>In article 4902@sctc.com, bright@sctc.com (David A. Bright) writes:
>>I would like information on Visual Basic (the Windows variety).  Can anyone
>>give me pointers to books, magazine articles, or ftp-able documents that
>>describe VB?    [ ... stuff deleted ... ]
>>a lot of the tedium for you.  For those of you bemoaning the constant BASIC
>>bashing, I'll admit to programming in C at work; however, I am not averse to
>>using "off-beat" languages (I've been known to dabble in ICON, Forth, and
>>other lesser-known languages).

VB an off-beat language?  No wonder we don't have our own group yet! :-) :-)

>David, VB has been reviewed in a number of computer magazines this past year,
>however just this last month, two major magazines reviewed the three top
>selling Windows BASIC packages... VB, The Realizer, and GFA BASIC.  Check out
>the Nov 92 issues of Computer Language and Byte.  Both reviewers tended to
>give the nod to VB over the other two, due in large part to its ease of use
>and complete, relatively seamless package.  No one has reviewed VB 2.0 yet
>as it is not yet released (I think). 

Good suggestions...  BasicPro magazine just did a very good article on VB 2.0.
From the article (and my upgrade literature) MS seems to have fixed some
of my "complaints" about VB 1.0.  They've improved the debugger, easier
properties window, added 256 color support (?) and mdi child support!
They still compile p-code rather than a true exe yet so the #@!@##! runtime
dll is still there, at least they've made it faster (maybe by VB 3.0???).

I can't tell you much more about VB2.0 yet though as I'm awaiting my upgrade...
As for VB 1.0 I usually use it rather than TPW or C.  I dunno if that tells
you anything...  :-)  Once you get out of the old BASIC programming mindset
(straight-line execution) and into the Windows event-oriented way of doing
things VB becomes an exceptionally easy to program for Windows!

- Galen -
galenr@hpgrla.gr.hp.com
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: bdwheele@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)
Subject: Re: QuickBasic editor question
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:53:47 GMT

Declare sub will be added when the program is saved, providing the sub is
called somewhere in the code

	Brian Wheeler

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From: beynon@nnn.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael D. Beynon)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: VB/win - play .WAV and call NETBIOS
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:23:32 GMT
Reply-To: beynon@nnn.crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady, NY


-- 

This is about VB/win.

Does anyone know of existing routines to do ...

   1).  play .WAV files
   2).  call NETBIOS fcns  (has to be written in ASM in a DLL)

This can be done, but to save time I'm looking for canned routines

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From: grisanti@plains.NoDak.edu (Ames Grisanti)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Discrete FFT in basic
Summary: Looking For Source Code
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:05:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of North Dakota EERC

Hello,

Does anyone out there have basic (QB or GW) source code for a discrete
fast fourier transform? Or know where I might get one?

Thanks

Ames Grisanti

University of North Dakota
Energy and Environmental Research Center
[grisanti@plains.NoDak.edu      --         Internet]
[grisanti@plains or ndsuvax     --         Bitnet  ]
[uunet!plains!grisanti          --         UUCP    ]
"Quantum Mechanics, the dreams that stuff is made of."
	-unknown
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: keithp@halcyon.com (Keith Pleas)
Subject: Re: BASIC development
Followup-To: keithp@curlew.wa.com
Organization: Keith R. Pleas & Associates
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:51:24 GMT

Most of the programs that I know of that are written in the various
flavors of Basic don't advertise that fact.  Nevertheless, here are
a few examples:
   1. EasyCASE Plus (Evergreen Case Tools)
   2. FontMinder (Ares Software)
   3. Windows Sound System (Microsoft)
   4. StockChart (Young Sotware Works)
   5. Test (Microsoft) <more of a hybrid, really>

Of course, these are shrink-wrapped packages in the PC arena, and
there are probably quite a few people in the government / academic
community to whom the PC seems to be only a minor blip on their
horizons.  Thankfully, they'll all be formatting their resumes using
languages like TEX while the rest of us watch them become rapidly
dwindling specks in our rearview mirros! <g>

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 Internet: keithp@halcyon.com
     (or): keithp@curlew.wa.com
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: Visual Basic
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:40:01 GMT

brownson@srd.bt.co.uk (George Brownson) writes:
: 
:    Visual Basic Question
: Does anyone know of a server which contains Visual Basic Freeware/Shareware
: that can be ftp ied.

Try ftp.cica.indiana.edu:/pub/pc/win3/* (there are several places where you
might find interesting stuff), or wuarchive.wustl.edu:/mirrors/msdos/visbasic
(or its mirror oak.oakland.edu:/pub/msdos/visbasic).

--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: kwj@iastate.edu (kwj)
Subject: Re: Discrete FFT in basic
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:40:10 GMT


An *excellent* book for numerical analyses is

        Press, W.H., Flannery, B.P., Teukolsky, S.A., and Vetterling,W.T.
        (1989).  Numerical Recipes:  The Art of Scientific Computing,
        Cambridge Unversity Press.

I use the FORTRAN version, which can easily be translated into BASIC.  I
believe that a BASIC version has been published, but I have not looked at
it yet.

Note:   Since the FFT is a convoluted (pun intended) algorithm, many 
        algorithms have errors in them, including the one in Numerical
        Recipes.  If you use the FORTRAN version, the algorithm has the
        line

                WPI = DSIN(THETA)

        This should be 

                WPI = -DSIN(THETA)

        This error will give you problems if you have a complex data set.

        I will post an algorithm that I wrote for a real (not complex) data
        set.  The algorithm is based on that by Press et al.

  kwj

Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: vla@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Louis Verhagen)
Subject: Qbasic FAST timer routines
Keywords: Qbasic timer 
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:39:44 GMT

Does anybody have any fast timer routines for Qbasic?
What I need to do is log a reading every 1/10 of 
a second. Qbasic timer routines are not accurate
enough for this.

Greetings
Louis

Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic

In alt.lang.basic, brownson@srd.bt.co.uk (George Brownson) writes:


>   Visual Basic Question
>Does anyone know of a server which contains Visual Basic Freeware/Shareware
>that can be ftp ied.

Try ftp.cica.indiana.edu
directory:   /pub/pc/win3/programr/vbasic

If you find anything really neat lemme know (I can't ftp so I use a mail
server...  yechhh!)

There may be others (wuarchive)??

- Galen -
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar)
Subject: Re: Something tells me comp.lang.basic wouldn't fly
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:09:21 GMT

boutell@isis.cshl.org (Tom Boutell) writes:
>Sure, a lot of people (me included) get enough out of alt.lang.basic, but
>some places don't get alt groups, and there's also a principle involved here
>(that a major programming language is kept out of the comp.lang hierarchy).

"kept out"?  What are you talking about?

>With some of the negative comments about basic a few posts back, something
>tells me that a lot of basic trashers would come out of the woodwork and
>vote down comp.sys.basic.

Hey, I'd vote against comp.sys.basic, and I'm certainly no BASIC
trasher.  As for comp.lang.basic, I think it would probably pass.  Or
at least fail due to too few votes, rather than too many no votes.

>Surely a vote has been tried before?  Does anyone know the results?

"Surely"?  What are you talking about?  Such a vote has never been
proposed until very recently.  I think you're being overly paranoid.

  --  Cos (Ofer Inbar)  --  cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
  --  WBRS (BRiS)  --  WBRS@binah.cc.brandeis.edu  WBRS@brandeis.bitnet
  "Good literature is about Love and War."
  "Junk fiction is about Sex and Violence."
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: pattons@CS.ColoState.EDU (samuel patton)
Subject: Re: why
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:43:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <92321.175537LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
> Hello,
>I firmly believe that people who fish are a bunch of the most
>warped people in the world...to catch a peaceful graceful
>animal which is flowing through the life blood of this earth
>as if a monitor of happiness...GET A LIFE!
>                         love,
>                the guardian angel of lovely
>                     fishys everywhere

Then I gut 'em... then I eat 'em...  Come down of your mushroom induced state
and realize that most fisherman practice catch and release ( even me... just
kidding in that first comment ) which allows that "peaceful graceful animal"
to continue to be "flowing through the life blood of this earth..."

BTW, the only thing a fish needs to monitor for is stoned PETA and SETA 
members thrashing around in their nearby "life blood" as you go about with
your yearly bath... Talk about polluting the earth...

Sam

Flames welcome...


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: acp@cray.com (Anthony Peterson)
Subject: Re: why
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:20:21 CST

In article <1992Nov17.224022.7272@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> masterov@filter.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Masterov) writes:
>
>A bad day of fishing sure beats a good day at work


	I wouldn't know. I've never had a bad day of fishing. 8^)
From: bbryan@bullfrog.hw.stratus.com (Bob Bryan)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Montauk Long Island or 50 questions?
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:32:46 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bullfrog.hw.stratus.com

Howdy, 

Just read an interesting article in New England Fisherman about late season surf fishing off Montauk N.Y. and was considering making a trip out that way.  I was wondering if anyone has done any surf fishing for either bluefish or striped bass in that area.  The article had a few tips on hotspots, prefered lures/bait, etc. but I'd appreciate any first hand information that anyone would be willing to share.  Since I do most of my surf fishing in Massachusetts, I'd appreciate any 
info on places to stay in or around Montauk, Thanksgiving weekend.  Anyone know where I can get information on ferrys from Rhode Island or Connecticut?  What's the size limit on stripers in N.Y.

'preciate any help,
 bob
From: masterov@filter.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Masterov)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: why
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:40:22 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>In article <92321.175537LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>
>> Hello,
>>I firmly believe that people who fish are a bunch of the most
>>warped people in the world...to catch a peaceful graceful
>>animal which is flowing through the life blood of this earth
>>as if a monitor of happiness...GET A LIFE!
>>                         love,
>>                the guardian angel of lovely
>>                     fishys everywhere

Folks, this has got to be a joke.  If we ignore the flake who posted this,
he/she will go away.

A bad day of fishing sure beats a good day at work
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen)
Subject: Re: why
Originator: phantom@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:18:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.164155.9672@ptdcs2.intel.com> mroberts@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Roberts ~) writes:
>In article <92321.175537LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>
>> Hello,
>>I firmly believe that people who fish are a bunch of the most
>>warped people in the world...to catch a peaceful graceful
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>animal which is flowing through the life blood of this earth
>>as if a monitor of happiness...GET A LIFE!
>>                         love,
>>                the guardian angel of lovely
>>                     fishys everywhere
>
>Thank you, thank you, thank you ... It's not everybody that can see that
>GOOD side of me!!
>
>					Fish to Live, Live to Fish
>					   'Fish Assassin' Mark
>					   Pacific City, Oregon

	After reading this I wish I still had MY OSCARS in my 55 gal.
Fish tank here in my room next to my computer so I could drop a line
in and catch one.

	NOW, fishing is great fun, and if you do not like it the next time
you come across this group just hit 'u' for unsubscribe....
BESIDES not all people catch to eat, I THINK THEY ARE CRAZY, they play catch
and releas.  Besides that if you ever saw how aggressive a Muskie, or Northern
Pike can be, and here about some places IN NORTHERN Wisconsin or Minnesota that
suggest NOT hanging your hands in the watter or swiming across the lake
( if it is a smaller lake ) due to the that you may loose a finger, toe or
just get a big hunk bitten out of your leg you may just change your tune about
the so called gentle creatures.  ALSO get a fish tank a big tank at least 55 gal
then get some BIG fish not just the stupid tetras and such, but get some oscars,
or some fire mouths maybe a red tail shark you will see some MEAN fish.

		' Nuff said
BY the way ...  Anybody down in that Florida area actually catch OSCARS?
if so how do they fight,taste???  
	PS: MY Oscars just got to big and expensive, they would eat 12
Goldfish a week each and I had 4 Oscars... Plus they were about 7 in.. or
so head to end of tail....

		- Leif Ericksen
		phantom@gagme.chi.il.us

	- There is nothing like Fresh Fish... You catch it you gut it, tehn
you drop it on the frying pan... On shore as soon as you can after catching
it.  For best taste it should still be flopping on the pan!

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: ocroci@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: why not?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:17:52 GMT

The guardian angel of the fish is simply "un agent provocateur" who was 
trying to get this newsgroup moving. But fishermen or fisherpeople are not 
a particularly excitable bunch. All right guardian angel, I expect to fing 
you next to my next large mouth bass (well perhaps a trout since bass is 
not available here in Newfoundland.-- 
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* Department of Political Science	*	Go Feildians           *
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And now, Fishing people of the world unite.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: mgm@metaflow.com (Gary A. Gibson)
Subject: Re: why
Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:30:23 GMT

In article <92321.175537LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu>, LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|> 
|>  Hello,
|> I firmly believe that people who fish are a bunch of the most
|> warped people in the world...to catch a peaceful graceful
|> animal which is flowing through the life blood of this earth
|> as if a monitor of happiness...GET A LIFE!
|>                          love,
|>                 the guardian angel of lovely
|>                      fishys everywhere

Hello,
 I firmly believe that people who take antibiotics, cold medicines, etc
are a bunch of the most warped people in the world ... to KILL peaceful
and graceful creatures which only want to live in our bodies. 
  
YOU MURDERING !#@*
   
Save the viruses !

8^)

Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
From: tim@sitpc1.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (tims login)
Subject: Re: Setting the hook?
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.005543.9988@nevada.edu> funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
>
> First, the setting:  Willow beach, Lake Mohave, Arizona.  Night fishing for
>stripers.
> 
>I have a 1/0 hook (I think, tackle box isn't handy to check), with half an
>anchovie hooked to it.  I get a bite, but when do I set the hook?  As soon
>as I feel the fish?  a second later?  Do I not set the hook at all?
> 
>I must've lost 5 fish because I can't figure out when to set the hook.
>Please help!


I've found it necessary to wait longer before setting the hook when fishing
cut bait than live bait.  We fish cut bait (herring) for stripers in the spring
by anchoring and casting away from the boat.  We anchor the front of the boat
as well as the back to keep the boat from shifting.  The lines are rigged
with a slip (egg) sinker above a barrel swivel.  On the other end of the barrel
swivel is a 3ft leader and hook.  The lines are casted out the sides of the 
boat and left with plenty of slack in the lines.  Using the slip sinker allows
the fish to pick up the bait and start running, pulling up the slack, without 
feeling any resistance.  By the time the line is tight and the rod is bent
over I'll set the hook, although if the drag is fairly tight it will already
be set pretty good. 

My rods are usually in rod holders, but sometimes a fish will hit while I'm
holding the rod.  If you're doing this try keeping the line a little more taught.  Once you feel the fish "messing" with the bait, hold the rod tip high in the
air and lower it at the fish as he runs.  Once the tip is to the water, set 
the hook.

Hope this helps!

Tim
tim.cogan@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: keith@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: why
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:22:00 GMT

In article <BxuMLo.1G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> racg8670@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Becca ) writes:
>LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> Hello,
>>I firmly believe that people who fish are a bunch of the most
>>warped people in the world...to catch a peaceful graceful
>>animal which is flowing through the life blood of this earth
>>as if a monitor of happiness...GET A LIFE!
>
>why do I fish?
>well I fish because it is as close to a practice of religion as I can
>get...
>
>
>the best thing I can think of in regard to your post is that I won't have 
>to worry bout your kind much...
>cause your kind don't mix with mine...
>

I happen to disagree. You should be very concerned about "their kind" 
because *if* and when they succeed in banning or limiting hunting, 
they will come after your fishing rod. Count on it. To start, you 
should become involved in pro-hunting and pro-fishing group(s) to help 
save your favorite pastime. Be aware of what kind of anti's activity
is going on in your area.



>so thanks for your post...
>but I think I'll keep right on fishing...
>me and my warped and twisted fisher friends
>
>(only thing I might mention is that I suspect the gulls and eagles
>and king fishers and ospray might take offence your remarks so you
>should probably be careful that the guardian of the birds doesn't
>get your number :)
>
>becca... another one of those warped fisher folx :)
>
>

Keith

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: mroberts@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Roberts ~)
Subject: Re: why
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:41:55 GMT

In article <92321.175537LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
> Hello,
>I firmly believe that people who fish are a bunch of the most
>warped people in the world...to catch a peaceful graceful
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>animal which is flowing through the life blood of this earth
>as if a monitor of happiness...GET A LIFE!
>                         love,
>                the guardian angel of lovely
>                     fishys everywhere

Thank you, thank you, thank you ... It's not everybody that can see that
GOOD side of me!!

					Fish to Live, Live to Fish
					   'Fish Assassin' Mark
					   Pacific City, Oregon
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:08:44 EST
From: <LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: re:why not

You read me well     love, the guardian angel
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:02:11 EST
From: <LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: re:flyfishing

Dear Mike,
I'm a nymph and I specialize in helping people new to the sport
Dip me in the still water and play with my high mountains
Come to my lake and you wont need advice
Fishy kind of lover