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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:11:09 EST
From:         Gary Davis <davis@UnbSJ.CA>
Subject:      Re: computer fees

(Please remember I am playing devil's advocate here.  I am actually very
much in favour of state-sponsored education and other programs, but I
think we will benefit by working through the rationale. - Gary)

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992, CHARLES SUNDIN, CHAIR, CHEMISTRY wrote:

> I maintain it is in society's best interest to have the best and the
> brightest go into areas in which they are the best and brightest rather
> than into areas which would have lower tuition, fees, etc.

But the best and brightest and MOST MOTIVATED could be given scholarships
to pay their way.  Some of these subsidies could come from the less good
and less bright but more affluent (and still competent) who want to
participate in these expensive programmes.

Gary Davis
Davis@UnbSJ.CA
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:55:51 EST
From:         00gwmichelin@BSUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Toolbook & Authorware

The address I have for Authorware is:

  Authorware
  190 Admirial Cochranr Drive
  Suite 100
  Annapolis, MD  21401

Authorware Pro for Mac is around $1,300 and for IBM is around $1,200.

Authorware was brought by Macromedia early this year.  The address and prices
may have changes.

Gilbert Michelini
Faculty Development Multimedia Lab
Ball State University

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:27:56 EST
From:         PF Anderson <pfa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Toolbook

Brenda Pfaehler asked:
> Yesterday, I had the opportunity to spend a day  watching demonstrations
> of IBMs higher education applications. Have any of you used ToolBook for
> the development of educational materials at that level? If so, does it
> really work as "slick" as it seemed?

Not a user, but I just came back from SCAMC (Symposium on Computer
Applications in Medical Care) and Toolbook was *very* much in
evidence as a development platform for educational programs.

Pat Anderson
Barnes Learning Resources Center
Galter Library
Northwestern University
303 E. Chicago Ave.
Chicago IL 60611
pfa@nwu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:19:00 EST
From:         Bruce Carter <bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Flames on EDTECH

Greetings Vickie,

>So I am reiterating for everyone that EDTECH follows the standard
>adopted by most other moderated lists across the network, and does
>not post inflamatory material when I catch it.

Good for you!  There are those of us out here that appreciate the job that you
and the others that help with EDTECH from time to time do.
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:21:28 EST
From:         Edward Caffarella <ecaffare@dijkstra.UnivNorthCo.EDU>
Subject: Re: CoE Computer Labs

This message is in response to Sue Espinoza's request for information on
microcomputer laboratories.  You might take a look at a recent book by another
Espinoza called Microcomputer Facilities in Schools.  His first name is
Leonard.  The book is published by Libraries Unlimited in Englewood, Colorado.
The books contains many helpful and practical suggestions for planning
microcomputer facilities.
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:08:31 EST
From:         "George.Allen" <ALLENG@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      omnicode on micros?

I was under the impression that Apple's system 7.1 was going to incorporate
WorldScript, which explicitely uses omnicode fonts.  Or have I been misled?

George Allen <alleng@msu.edu>
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:10:36 EST
From:         "P. Gathy" <Gathy@isto.ucl.ac.be>
Subject:      Re: Image compression

>
>Does anyone have information on compression routines that are better than
>JPEG for gray scale and TIFF LWZ for line drawings?  We have a lot of
>images that we need to archive and, at our present compression rates, we
>will be over a CD.
>

It seems that fractal compression gives better results, according to their
authors. See the paper: Barnsley M.F. and Sloan A.D., A better way to
compress images, Byte, 13, 1, 215-223, 1988.
Some months ago, we gave some of our images (640x480, 256 colors) to compress
by this method. Compression ratio is very impressive, but for us (in
histology), the quality of compressed images was not sufficient. I think
you can decompress your images yourself (with a 386 or 486 machine), but
compression is slow and needs a very powerful computer or other special
equipment. The company that developed this method is called Iterated
Systems, Inc.

Regards,

Philippe Gathy
Laboratory of histology
Catholic University of Louvain
B-1200 Brussels - Belgium
gathy@isto.ucl.ac.be
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:18:10 EST
From:         Patrick Dickson <pdickson@msu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Flames on EDTECH

Vickie:
One of the most replicable research findings in research
on human communication is that as the emotional level
increases the fidelity of information exchange decreases.

Or more simply, if you're yelling back and forth, you won't
hear what each other is really saying.

I agree with your policy.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:53:37 EST
From:         "Alice D. Walker" <WALKERAD@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      computer fees--summary

Thanks to all who responded to the question concerning computer fees.  Randy Ri
chter (RRICHTER@cause.colorado.edu) supplied a two-page list of institutions.
Casey Green (EDUCOM-USC) used percentages: 16% charge computerfees to departmen
t and service units, 20% will begin charging this year or are in process of rev
iew, 23% are charging individual users, and 23% are reviewing this option.

Other respondents indicated that computer fees vary greatly in amount and metho
d of charging:
University of New Brunswick, no computer fee, charges for laser printing
University of Wisconsin, Platteville, no computer fee
University of Wisconsin-Stout, only charge for printing
University of North Texas, $3.25/sem. hr. credit
University of Missouri, $4/credit hour
University of Colorado at Boulder, $10/semester
University of South Alabama, $10/class for College of Education, additional
selected course fees
UNC at Greensboro, $7/1 sem.hr., $14/2, $20/3
Penn State, $35/semester
University of Iowa, $40/semester all full time students except engineers,
Engineers = $100/semester
George Washington, $100/semester
St. Lawrence, $250 for installed ethernet card in dorms ($150 reimbursable)
James Madison, computer literacy fee, component of comprehensive student fee,
generates $523,000/yr. as established by legislation, fee fluctuates

Finally, for those who are not regular readers of EDTECH, much discussion has b
een generated about who pays for what and why, but the list of quotes is too
long to include here.  I do not yet know how this information will influence
decisions at Virginia Tech, but we greatly appreciate your input.
Alice D. Walker
WALKERAD@VTVM1
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:29:03 EST
From:         Tom Rusk Vickery <VICKERY@sued.syr.edu>
Subject:      Re: have your tried........?

<*>From:       Brenda Pfaehler <BPFAEHLER@macc.wisc.edu>
<*> Have any of you used
<*>TookBook for
<*>the development of educational materials at that level? If so,
<*>does it
<*>really work as "slick" as it seemed?

I don't know how slick it seemed in the IBM presentation, but it is
one fantastic piece of software that lends itself very well to a
variety of instructional presentation tasks.

<*> <*>Secondly, have any of you had experience using Desklab?

Nope.  Sorry.
                                            T.


                          Tom Rusk Vickery
265 Huntington Hall     School of Education     Syracuse University
                      Syracuse, NY 13244-2340
VICKERY@SUED.SYR.EDU  telephone:  315-443-3343   fax:  315-443-5732
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:15:59 EST
From:         "Shawn_T.Lock" <22331MOM@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Toolbook & Authorware

I agree with the sluggishness and limitations on ToolBook. It's more for
showing or transmitng information rather than interactively working with
subject matter.

RE: Authorware: Who sells it and what's the cost in terms of dollars and
learning to use time.

Thanks

Shawn Lock
22331mom@msu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:33:07 EST
From:         BRADLEY MORGAN <morgan@gw.wmich.edu>
Subject:      RE: Video Information System

Notre Dame University in Southbend, IN has installed the Dynacom
System in one of their buildings and are planning expansion to other
buidlings.  If I remember the statistics properly they have 80 devices
available to provide video and audio to the classroom.  This includes
slide, videotape(S-VHS and Hi-8), and CDs.


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Bradley F. Morgan             Internet: morgan@gw.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University    Phone: (616)-387-5042
Technical Services             Fax: (616)-387-4630
0004 Friedmann
Kalamazoo, MI 49008
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:56:39 PST
From:         Jim Chivas Vancouver Community College <a.0013@VCC3.VCC.BC.CA>
Subject:      GNUEmacs

I am looking for a FTP site or e-mail list that I can obtain some sample
.emac init files for customizing certain terminal function keys
and or special emacs functions. I would send this question to the GNU
people, but I have read they only produce the program but do not answer
questions.

Thanks.
Jim
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:06:08 CST
From:         Marty Hoag <NU021172@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      December 15 Announcements

List of Selected RISC System/6000 Announcements from 12/15/92
     (Selected by Marty Hoag - Don't blame anyone else!)

---File Name--- ---Truncated Title---
ANN6000 292-709 CATIA DISTRIBUTED WINDOWS
ANN6000 292-711 IBM AIX/ESA VERSION 2 RELEASE 2
                (This includes connection options through RS/6000s).
ANN6000 292-713 CATIA VERSION 3 RELEASE 2 DRAFTING ENHANCEMENTS AVAILABILITY
ANN6000 292-722 COOPERATIVE SOFTWARE: THE ROBINSON GROUP INFOLINK LINE OF SOLU
ANN6000 292-725 COOPERATIVE SOFTWARE: IBI FOCUS FOR UNIX
ANN6000 292-726 COOPERATIVE SOFTWARE: TEUBNER A-NET LOGIN SERVER (FOR AIX)
---------------

   The files are available via anonymous FTP to vm1.nodak.edu
(134.129.111.1).  Once connected enter CD POWER-L to access the
POWER-L disk.  Then enter dir ann6000.* (LOTS of files), get
ann6000.910724 (yymmdd), get ann6000.391-103 etc.

   You may also request the files via e-mail through LISTSERV.  Send
e-mail to LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU (or LISTSERV@NDSUVM1.BITNET) with the
body containing an INDEX POWER-L command (for a list of all files and
archives) or GET command(s).

   Collections of Frequently Asked Questions are also available.
For example, AIX-FAQ1.6000 and AIX-FAQ2.6000 via FTP or
AIX-FAQ1 6000 and AIX-FAQ2 6000 via e-mail.

   For example, the following might be in the body of the mail:
INDEX POWER-L
GET ANN6000 910724
GET ANN6000 391-103
GET AIX-FAQ1 6000        etc.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:04:55 EST
From:         Elliott Alterman <EBA@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Problem Tracking Software

With the proliferation of workstations, clusters, and the like,
comes the problem of managing hardware and software problems,
tracking their resolution, and ensuring that multiple systems are
up-to-date.

In that regard, do you know of any products, commercial or public
domain, that provide a problem tracking and management solution.
While not mandatory, the preferred implementation would be on an
RS/6000.

Thank you,


Elliott Alterman
eba@cu.nih.gov
National Institutes of Health
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:10:23 LCL
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From:         "Claudio Valderrama C." <I5CVALDE@UTFSM.BITNET>
Subject:      SHOWFILE.

A couple of weeks I asked about SHOWFILE package.
The answer was "It's stored at ksuvm."

Well, I tried to connect to

129.130.1.1        (ksuvm.ksu.edu               VM/CMS tools, PCSIG)

using the FTP command in my university. I couldn't do
the communication. I tried later with BITFTP@PUCC.
The results are negative also. Does someone know if
the number I had is wrong?

Thanx.

C.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:00:24 -0500
From:         "Umit Dericioglu 4676034 (Work)" <D03G005@SAKSU00.BITNET>
Subject:      About the OPTCD Q (belated)
Comments: To: vm-util@ohstvma.bitnet

Melvin said:

>>Try 'OPTCD Q' option of FILEDEF before MOVEFILE.
>
>VM/XA CMS Release 5.6 and VM/SP Release 6 do not support this option.
>What level of CMS does support this, if any?  Is this a local mod?

We are running VM/SP HPO R6. It does support that option.
It is also documented in the CMS command ref.
This confuses me. Are there different flavors of VM/SP R6 or what?
I can understand that it does not exist in the VM/XA, ESA  but
not in the SP 6?

Umit
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:19:58 CST
From:         Bob Bates <BATES@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Placing Data from seperate files into 1 BY COLUMN !
              14 Dec 1992 16:41:34 GMT from <SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU>

On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:41:34 GMT <SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU> said:
>Hello,
>  I am trying to piece together 3 seperate files with XEDIT.  The problem,
>I would like the added by column, rather than by line.
>Does anyone know an easy way to do this ?
>Thanks,
>Doug McKeown
>sysdmcke@vm.uwp.edu
   Try looking at COPYFILE with the SPEC option. There is a section on
entering a specification list that talks about what you are attempting
to do. Good Luck.

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Bob Bates                            Patient:  Thanks you, Father, but
VM Sys Pro                                    I'm an atheist.
Southern Methodist University        Mulcahey: Really?
BATES@SMUVM1                         Patient:  Honest to God.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:16:00 EST
From:         "John F. Chandler" <JCHBN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: LOADLIBs and MODULES
Comments: To: Ian Pleasance <rbkc@CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK>
              17 Dec 1992 19:03:00 +0000

> can the TRMOD program in the VM-UTIL filelist
> disassemble LOADLIB members ? If it can, could some kind soul post
> the control statements necessary to do this as I have had no sucess
> in using TRMOD.

Yes, of course it can.  All you need to know is that the term "ddname"
used in the documentation refers to the same thing as "ddname" in the
CMS Help file for FILEDEF, and the basic fact that a LOADLIB is a PDS
(and therefore has DSORG=PO).  Remember that TRMOD is not specifically
a CMS program, except in the code for handling CMS MODULE's.  You need
to provide the information that would be available through a DD
statement + the DSCB in MVS.
                                       John
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:50:27 -0500
From:         "Umit Dericioglu 4676034 (Work)" <D03G005@SAKSU00.BITNET>
Subject:      OPTCD Q again
Comments: To: vm-util@ohstvma.bitnet

Melvin has sent me a mail saying that OPTCD Q is not mentioned in
the CMS command reference for R6. He is right. It is not there.
I mixed it with the HELP as it contains the same (almost?) text
of the ref manuals. I apologize for that. HELP under
VM/SP R6 shows this option Q and I've tested it. It works!

Strange, isn't it?
Umit
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From: pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Subject: Re: XXENCODE and XXDECODE
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:14:25 GMT

John S. Fisher (FISHER@RPIECS.BITNET) wrote:
: > . . .

:     Since the "standard" file encoding methods are Unix-based, and
:     since Unix has such a meager concept of what characteristics a
:     file might have, you are going to need something extra to transfer
:     CMS files.

Viewing the same fact with the opposite bias, one might say that the
Unix file system is so simple that Unix users don't need to waste
their time doing this kind of mickeymouse.

:     Here's my suggestion, however crummy it may be:

[ about a screenful of painful circumvention deleted ]
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:47:32 BDB
From:         "Marcos, Celso" <MAINT@BRFURG.BITNET>
Subject:      Account for VM

Where can i found a free VM ACCOUNT package ???
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:37:28 CST
From:         Jim Colten <IJIM@UMINN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SHOWFILE.

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:10:23 LCL Claudio Valderrama C. said:
>A couple of weeks I asked about SHOWFILE package.
>The answer was "It's stored at ksuvm."
>

There is a *VERY* new version now on the VM-UTIL FILELIST nearest you.  It is
VMARCed, so you will need VMARC PACKAGE, also on the VM-UTIL FILELIST.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:21:42 EST
From:         "Jacques V. Dejean" <DEJEAN@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SHOWFILE.

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:10:23 LCL Claudio Valderrama C. said:
>A couple of weeks I asked about SHOWFILE package.
>The answer was "It's stored at ksuvm."
>
>Well, I tried to connect to
>
>129.130.1.1        (ksuvm.ksu.edu               VM/CMS tools, PCSIG)
>
>using the FTP command in my university. I couldn't do
>the communication. I tried later with BITFTP@PUCC.
>The results are negative also. Does someone know if
>the number I had is wrong?
>
>Thanx.
>
>C.

Claudio,

The correct address is 129.130.12.1.  Using this address, I successfully
connected to ksuvm at 9:22 am today.

Best Wishes,

Jacques V. Dejean
Systems Programmer, MIT
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From: rbkc@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ian Pleasance)
Subject: LOADLIBs and MODULES
Reply-To: rbkc@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:03:00 +0000

I have some old programs in a CMS LOADLIB that I want to disassemble
(we have lost the source and they wont run under VM/XA with CMS 5.5).
How can I extract each LOADLIB member into a seperate MODULE file so
that I can run the disassembler against them ?

If this isnt possible, can the TRMOD program in the VM-UTIL filelist
disassemble LOADLIB members ? If it can, could some kind soul post
the control statements necessary to do this as I have had no sucess
in using TRMOD.

Thanks in advance, Ian
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From: SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU
Subject: Placing Data from seperate files into 1 BY COLUMN !
Organization: UW-Parkside
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:41:34 GMT

Hello,
  I am trying to piece together 3 seperate files with XEDIT.  The problem,
I would like the added by column, rather than by line.
Does anyone know an easy way to do this ?
Thanks,
Doug McKeown
sysdmcke@vm.uwp.edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:43:22 CST
From:         Allen Wittenauer <CA2096@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>
Subject:      Thanks all! (RE: CR/LF Conversion)
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We got the file converted ok.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:34:40 PST
From:         Craig Cholar <3432P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Need better LISTDS command

We have some execs that act as front-ends for the LISTDS command (the IBM
supplied CMS command to list CP LINKed OS/MVS VTOC's).  I trap the LISTDS
output using PIPES, reformat it, and send it to an xedit-based screen.
LISTDS is useful enough, but is missing some things our JCL-based VTOC
list programs can display.

Anyone know of a 'better' version of the LISTDS command?  One that
would include the Last Reference Date for each file found in the
OS VTOC?  Or maybe one that supports Indexed VTOCs to speed the VTOC
search?  I used the LISTSERV database function to search for 'LISTDS'
or 'VTOC' and nothing useful turned up.  Not a very hot topic, to
say the least.  Any help is appreciated.  Thanks!

   Craig Cholar                                3432P@NAVPGS.BITNET
   Defense Manpower Data Center                3432P@VM1.CC.NPS.NAVY.MIL
   Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey Calif.
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