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From: dan@innosoft.com (Daniel C. Newman)
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Subject: RE: switching master_debug on and off
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:16:40 GMT
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> 1. Is it not possible to have ! on a channel line act as a delimiter?
>    I thought it would save me from my own one-hand typing if I left the
>    tag on the end of the line and commented it off..

While it is possible, it is not desireable.  This would create a dangerous
distinction between the nature of comments which can appear on the first line
of a channel block and everywhere else.  I say "dangerous" because people may
forget the distinction and do the wrong thing.  (I know of two or three cases
where sites messed up their configuration for days because they thought they
could put comments at the end of rewrite rules.)  I say "distinction" because
the only place where it might make sense to allow a comment not at the start of
a line is on the first line of a channel block.  You cannot do this in a
rewrite rule because the rewrite rule itself might require the use of a !.  The
same holds for a host name associated with a channel.

> 2. Is there a way of switching master_debug on and off for an SMTP Channel
>    (MTCP_Local) without CNBUILD and INSTALL twice - especially on a cluster
>    where only one node is handling the channel anyway and where I want it
>    just long enough to monitor one message?

I believe that something like this is intended for 4.2.  However, note that the
debugging cannot necessarily be turned on and off with per message granularity.
Channel programs load their options once, when they start running.  So, only
when they start running would they detect a logical, for instance, telling them
to produce debugging output.  The channel would then continue to produce this
debugging output until it exited.  This means that channels which run as
detached processes (e.g., BN_SLAVE and FAX_TO_DATA) would still have to be
restarted to see the change.

Dan
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Subject: RE: no headers and stuck in queue
From: Ned Freed <ned@sigurd.innosoft.com>
Date: 01 Oct 1992 15:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
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> IN the first case, my INFOREP has been getting mail from the INFOREP discussion
> list which occasionally has no headers connected to it.  Just the normal VMS
> headers.  Anybody know under under what conditions this might occur?

Does your INFOREP use DELIVER? This and the headeromit keyword is the only
way to get this effect out of PMDF. If neither of these is involved I suspect
the mail is coming from something other than PMDF.

> In the second case, I have been seeing mail get stuck in various queues for no
> apparent reason - specifically the L and BIT_GATEWAY channels.  MAIL is
> installed with EXQUOTA so it isn't a quota problem. The log files are well below
> the version limit.  Any ideas?

There are all sorts of reasons why a delivery job might abort, leaving a
message that only gets picked up by the periodic job. You'll have to track this
down on a case by case basis; there are simply too many possibilities to
consider otherwise. It is important to know where the messages are coming from
as well as where they are going.

Since messages in the BIT_GATEWAY queue never come from VMS MAIL under normal
circumstances, this is not likely to a problem with VMS MAIL.

				Ned
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Subject: RE: Summary: Mail system to use with PathWorks
From: "Kevin V. Carosso" <kvc@summer.innosoft.com>
Date: 30 Sep 1992 20:36:48 -0800 (PST)
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> I am looking at Microsoft mail for internal use but I also need a gateway
> to VMSmail. Is there such a thing?

The simplest solution is probably to use an SMTP capable mailer on VMS
such as PMDF and a MS MAIL to SMTP gateway.  If you are referring to MS MAIL
on the Mac then you can get a gateway from a company called Star*Nine or
Cayman.  They are actually the same product, Cayman repackaged Star*Nine's
code.  If you mean MS MAIL on PC (a completely different package from their
Mac system) then you can get an SMTP gateway from Microsoft themselves.

If you need details on how to contact Star*Nine let me know and I'll dig up
the phone number when I'm in the office.

	/Kevin Carosso
	 Innosoft
From: robin_goldstone@macgate.csuchico.edu (Robin Goldstone)
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Subject: RE: Summary: Mail system to use with PathWorks
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>To: ipmdf-newsgate@mccall.UUCP
>From: Alain Martineau on Wed, Sep 30, 1992 8:06 AM
>Subject: RE: Summary: Mail system to use with PathWorks

>	I am looking at Microsoft mail for internal use but I also need a gateway to
>VMSmail. Is there such a thing ?
>thanks.


Well, since you are sending this message the PMDF mailing list, I assume you
are running PMDF on your VAX.  If that is true, then what you really need is an
SMTP gateway for Microsoft Mail.  That will allow you to talk to PMDF on the
VAX as well as any other SMTP mail system on the Internet.  We are using that
here.  In fact I am sending this message from Microsoft Mail via the SMTP
gateway.

You did not say whether you were looking at PC Microsoft Mail or Macintosh
Microsoft Mail.  For PC MS Mail, the SMTP gateway is made by Microsoft.  For
Macintosh MS Mail, you want Mail*Link from StarNine Technologies, Berkeley CA.
You can reach them at (510) 548-0391 or sales@starnine.com.  Note there is also
a product called GatorMail-M from Cayman Systems.  This is really the same
exact product as Mail*Link.  StarNine licenses it to Cayman, who re-sells it.
But my dealings with Cayman have been unsatisfactory, in terms of their
technical support for GatorMail-M.  I highly recommend StarNine.

I have had extensive experience integrating both PC and Mac Microsoft Mail with
our VAX mail environment (VMS Mail + PMDF).  I will be happy to discuss this
setup further with anyone who is interested.

Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist
California State University, Chico
robin@csuchico.edu
From: ae@ac.dal.ca (Aidan Evans)
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Subject: MAILSERV mailing list distribution file format
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  The PMDF System Manager's Guide (May 1992) says in 11.6.2.3, the first
paragraph (page 11-16) "the mailing list distribution file has the same format
as the alias file, see also section 3.3".  It doesn't seem that this can be
right because the alias file format in 3.3.2 on page 3-58 is

	alias: a1,a2,...,am

and by observation the mailing list distribution file format is

	abc@def (subscribed by ...)

This is a minor quibble, but I discovered the discrepancy while I was trying
to figure out how far the mailing list distribution file format can be
extended from the observed form.
  I have a user with a mailing list who would like people who do a SEND/LIST
to see the real names of subscribers to the list as well as their addresses.
Is this possible?  I have tried

	SUBSCRIBE listname xxx (comment)
	SUBSCRIBE listname "something" <xxx@yyy>

and these show up in the file as

	XXX (COMMENT) (subscribed by ...)
	"something" <XXX@YYY> (subscribed by ...)

I guess what I'm really asking is, when the SUBSCRIBE documentation says

	SUBSCRIBE list-name [address]

can "address" be anything that's allowed on an RFC-822 "To:" line or a liberal
subset thereof?

Aidan Evans (AE@AC.Dal.CA), Computer Facilities & Operations, University
Computing & Information Services, Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
From: ned@sigurd.innosoft.com (Ned Freed)
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Subject: RE: REPOST (for lack of any answer) Problems with % addressing.
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:25:19 GMT
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As far as I know this is the first time this message has appeared on
info-pmdf.

In answer to your question, there is no way for PMDF to check the validity
of what appears as a node name. These things can be logical names, they can
be internal names, and they can potentially be entries in the DNS (DEC's, not
Internet). The exact rules for checking them are in a constant state of flux
and it simply isn't reasonable for us to try to validate them.

As for the illegal device error, it is returned in a variety of situations,
including several which correspond to "network unavailable" errors. It is
therefore classified as a temporary failure, since no additional information
is available.

I have tried to write code to implement such checking three times now and I
have hit a brick wall of one sort or another every time. I will continue to
try, however, and once VMS provides the requisite level of service (I have
high hopes for SYS$IPC) we'll look into doing our own checking again.

				Ned
From: ned@sigurd.innosoft.com (Ned Freed)
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Subject: RE: DELIVER to NEWMAIL folder
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:50:58 GMT
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> The problem with FOLDER seems to indicate that FOLDER is not installed with
> enough privileges to properly set the From: address. I cannot duplicate the
> problem here. But several bugs in FOLDER have been fixed recently, and so have
> a bunch of bugs in VMS MAIL that relate to privilege checking (this is in VMS
> V5.5-2), so there may well be an unrelated fix (in either PMDF or VMS) that
> has corrected this.

The problem was that FOLDER wasn't installed.  I'd apparently made an
editing error when editing pmdfimage.dat after the most recent installation.
My error.  Thanks for the pointer.

> Which (again) brings up what I consider to be a minor itch in the install
> process, the editing of pmdfimage.dat.  I always edit pmdfimage.dat to
> comment out the lines that are needed only for the old stand-alone DELIVER,
> and to uncomment the line related to FORWARD.

In the future we'll have a SITEIMAGE.DAT file for doing these things.

> Would it be possible for the
> install procedure to look at the old version of pmdfimage.dat and see which
> images were installed, and which weren't, and use that in generating the new
> pmdfimage.dat?

Nope. This is a very bad idea that's so fraught with potential pitfalls I won't
even consider it. It is hard enough for the install procedure to get some vague
idea of the current status of an image when it _knows_ what it is going to do
with it, let alone trying to figure out the status so it can be preserved in
the future. Image installation handling in VMS is just too quirky to automate
something like this.

					Ned
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Subject: Re: NOTES$COMMAND.TPU ???
From: "J.Lance Wilkinson, 814-865-1818" <jlw%psulias.bitnet@shsu.edu>
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On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:59:15 -0400 Richard Powell <rpowell@seq.uncwil.edu>
replied RE: NOTES$COMMAND.TPU ???
>Is there DEC manual just for creating TPU procedures?

        Yes, but I've looked there and no help.  In fact, I've looked through
        the entire grey wall with no results.  What I'm looking for, I guess,
        is a list of eve and/or tpu functions available for use within the
        NOTES$COMMAND.TPU file.  These would be "builtins" from the viewpoint
        of somebody editing NOTES$COMMAND.TPU, while they might not be builtins
        from the viewpoint of general application eve or tpu programming...

        For example, there is already apparently a slew of variables that
        are VAX Notes specific, undefined by the current, working NOTES$COMMAND
        .TPU file, but used in it (e.g., notes$x_note_pen_name,
        notes$x_notefile_name, notes$x_note_title, notes$x_mail_subject and
        notes$x_notefile_ctx).  There also seem to be eve functions and/or
        variables (eve$x_enable_parser_notes, eve_exit, eve$arg1_examine,
        eve$arg1_buffer and eve$x_highlighting) available, also currently used
        successfully by NOTES$COMMAND.TPU as I currently have it.  So I'm
        looking for just one more, that's all.

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Subject: NOTES$COMMAND.TPU ???
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I'm extending a NOTES$COMMAND.TPU file secured from the supplier of the BBOARD
software, St.Peter's College.  I've taken the command sequence used there to
print a range of NOTES from within VAX Notes to a locally-connected printer,
and am trying to build a version of the command which extracts to a file for
downloading to a PC or MAC.  Everything works fine:

! Extract a (range of) notes to file

procedure local_extract
  local print_range;
  local extract_file;
on_error
endon_error;
if notes$x_notefile_ctx = "" then
  message ("You are not currently in a conference");
  return;
endif;
print_range := read_line("Enter range of notes to extract: ");
if length(print_range) = 0
  then
    if last_key = ctrl_z_key
      then
        return
      else
        print_range := "."
    endif
endif;
extract_file := read_line("Enter filename for extraction: ");
if length(extract_file) = 0
  then
    if last_key = ctrl_z_key
      then
        return
      else
        extract_file := "sys$login:notes_extract.tmp"
    endif
endif;
message ("Extracting to file " + extract_file + "...");
update(ALL);
notes$do_command("extract " + extract_file + " " + print_range);
endprocedure
define_key('local_extract', key_name('x', shift_key), "Extract to file",
  notes$kt_user_keys);

But now I'd like to extend it to determine if the filename specified already
exists.  If so, I want to give the option of
        (1) appending to the file,
        (2) creating a new generation of the file, or
        (3) backing up and choosing a different filename

Is there a builtin eve or tpu function that I can use to check to see if the
filename named in the "extract_file" variable already exists?  If not, being a
total novice at this kind of thing, does anybody have any suggested code
fragments?  I'm not looking to become a TPU/EVE programmer...my boss would not
approve of the time required ;-)

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Subject: Re: NOTES$COMMAND.TPU ???
From: 30-Sep-1992 0608 <mccarthy@uhuh.enet.dec.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:24:20 PDT
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In response to J.Lance Wilkinson question on access to TPU and EVE procedures
from within notes:

No Notes does not document nor ship its TPU sources.  You have to hack at
things to get done what you want.

From within Notes, enter the command EVE.  Now all you have to do is start
looking at the variables that are around.

<do> tpu show (variables)
<< - show window is up - >>
<do> buffer show

Now you can scroll through the variables.  If you want to find out what type
they are and their values use the following (I used a learn sequence to do
this for each line in the file that started with Notes$):

<do> tpu message (str (get_info (notes$_user_author,"type")))

I am not sure if the EVALUATE procedure for EVE was posted to info-tpu but if
you and you have it, you could just evaluate the varaiable.

You can do the same type of thing with show (procedures).

The thing to watch out for when using your own TPU procedures inside of Notes
is for things that change the windows.  Notes does not expect this to happen
behind its back.  You can get into some really strange states (to the point of
having to ctrl/y out).

Notes, even the latest release, is based on a very old (V2.2 or V2.0) version
of EVE.  The TPU code for Notes does work with the latest version of EVE (V3.1)
(I have access to the sources and have tested it out).

My notes$command.tpu file is over 600 lines and includes code to handle mb2 and
mb3 buttons so I can do keyboard-free notes traversal (at least reading unseen
and replies, opening the next conference in my class that has an unseen
count...).  I used the procedure described above to figure out what procedures
I wanted to call.

You will like the notes$do_command TPU procedure (but that is one of the ones
that screws with the screen if you are not careful.

Have fun!

Brian J. McCarthy - DECTPU Engineering - Digital Equipment Corp.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: Re: Starting a procedure with a timer
From: Peter Galbraith <galbrth@ac.dal.ca>
Date: 26 Sep 1992 12:09:12 -0300
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In a message of 23 Sep 1992 07:49:50 -0500 (CDT)
Received on Wed, 23 Sep 1992 23:19:14 -0300

goathunter@WKUVX1 wrote
to: Text Processing Utility (TPU) Language Discussion List <INFO-TPU@SHSU.edu>

> The only way is by using a CALLUSER image.  I wrote one that did an
> AUTOSAVE on a buffer---writing it out every X minutes if it had been
> modified.

Very interesting!  You should post it if you've got the time.

I've always wanted TPU to be able to start stuff until a key is pressed,
possibly with an initial delay.  You could then have it wait 5 sec and
reformat the text unless a key is pressed, and go to the ON_ERROR segment
if a key were pressed during execution of that code.   Seems to me most
background housekeeping could then be done while the user doesn't need
immediate response.  Add that to my wish list...
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Subject: TPU/LSE Procedures for DSM
From: "Wile E. Coyote" <bbhulsey@life.uams.edu>
Date: 29 Sep 1992 16:51:16 -0500 (CDT)
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Greetings!

Has anyone out there in TPU land (or LSE land for that matter) done any
development of procedures tailored to editing DSM (Digital Standard MUMPS)
routines?  A while back I remember talking to someone who had tried to come up
with some LSE templates for working with DSM but had apparently given up.  If
anyone out there has worked with or knows anything about TPU or LSE
procedures/templates for DSM development, I'd love to hear from you.

.......
:  o/ : Bruce Hulsey
: <|  : Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
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From: sharone@shar.zko.dec.com (Sharon Eikenberry)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: Re: NOTES$COMMAND.TPU ???
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:51:21 GMT
Reply-To: sharone@shar.zko.dec.com (Sharon Eikenberry)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Use the FILE_SEARCH built-in.  The parameters are the same as the parameters
to the DCL equivalent.  It returns "" if the file does not exist.

--Sharon Eikenberry			! eikenberry@tle.enet.dec.com
  LSE Developer
  Digital Equipment Corporation
  
  Opinions are my own.