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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Flying on my own...
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:12:25 GMT

In article <wnhq1fj@lynx.unm.edu> markm@triton.unm.edu writes:
>Incidently, if there are others out there with HMR stories, I'd sure
>like to hear about them too.  

I was on HMR for about 5 months (November '91 until April '92).  I've
lost (and so far maintained) 100lbs.  I've got about 20 to go, and I've
finally gotten (I think) on the path to success by giving up all sugar
products--doing this is helping me to eat without binging, which is why
I've always had a weight problem.

Unlike Peter, I did not do maintenance with HMR.  I no longer keep food
diaries, I don't make a major effort to get all my fruits and vegetables
in, and I am not trying to go non-fat.  But what I am doing is continuing
to get mega-exercise in (I average 2-3 hours of exercise a day) and 
learning to eat healthy food and eat like a normal person.

The biggest problem with HMR is that they (like every other weight loss
program) haven't found a good way to get people to maintain their
weight loss.  In my opinion, the people who are successful, like Peter,
would have been so regardless.  They have made the commitment to do "what
it takes" to maintain the weight loss--and that is often lots of effort.
You absolutely cannot go back to what you were doing before the fast.

A fast is no magic panacea.  But it is a good way to lose weight
quickly if you are convinced you can maintain your lower weight.  If
you are not absolutely sure you can do the work, fasting is a waste of 
money and risk to your health that is not worth taking.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:28:28 GMT

In article <17526@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
> robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Laurie Roberts) writes:
>>She suggested that we really enjoy eating
>>Eat in a calm place without distractions
>>Eat anything you want      
>>Eat until satisfied

>That's exactly what I did for the first 25 years of my life.
>At the end of that time I weighed 335 lbs and was gaining at
>the rate of 1 pound per month.  Just how long was I supposed
>to continue trying this method?

Laurie missed a key piece.  We are supposed to eat for hunger reasons
only.  No more stuffing our face because food is there or because we're
anxious or sad or happy.  So there are two hard parts to Roth's program.
One is that you have to believe that you can eat like a normal person.
Most of us lifelong overeaters cannot believe that we can control ourselves
around food like that.  The second hard part is to actually face the
feelings that overeating is helping us to avoid (and sometimes these 
feelings are simply that we'd feel deprived if we didn't eat the entire
box of Oreos).

Of course, I believe that there can be a physiological component to 
overeating (related to blood insulin levels) for many overeaters.  If so,
eating until satisfied could be a big problem.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: E-Mail WW Group
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:58:40 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1992Nov16.184147.16559@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947) writes:
>Hi Again:
>
>I mailed Steve Wolfson a few weeks ago - I haven't heard anything back  
>though -                                     
>
>Steve, if you are out there, did you get my message?  Could you send the
>questionnaire and stuff.  
>
>Maybe you've had trouble getting me (our addresses might be changed)
>
>try:
>
>tbachman@hamline.edu
>
>     OR
>
>tbachman@seq.hamline.edu
>
>THANKS!!!!!!!

I haven't heard from Steve lately either.  Steve, are you out
there?

Margot

>
>


--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Low protein diet...HELP!
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:26:33 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <92321.103001MKLAP@auvm.american.edu> <MKLAP@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>My husband was just diagnosed with a kidney disease and has been put
>on a special diet.  This diet allows for 40 grams of protein per day.
>75% of these grams are to come from foods such as milk, eggs and
>meat.

This doesn't make much sense to me.  This sounds like an artifact of the
time when non-meat proteins were bad because they didn't contain all
the essential amino acids.

>Is there some kind of drink supplement that is high
>in calories/carbohydrates, but does not contain protein?  Any
>ideas would be greatly appreciated.

How about fruits and vegetables?  Fruits like bananas and apples give you a 
pretty good calorie hit and have very little protein.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holiday dieting
From: geschwentp@kenyon.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:50:55 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

In article <grenus.722024304@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu>, grenus@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Karen M Grenus) writes:
> How are people handling the holidays? So far I have a potluck and two 
> Thanksgiving dinners to go to. I've been on NutriSystem for 4 weeks and
> have lost 10 pounds, but I'm afraid of gaining it back.
> 	Should I just eat very little the day of the party and work out like mad that week? I don't want to offend the people that invited me to dinner by not
> eating or by whipping out my own freeze dried entree.

Hi, everybody! After a lot of missed net-time, I'm back. And I so happy to
see you all! I stayed in today at lunch to catch up (and eat my low-fat, cheap
lunch).

Karen,

Learn to take a perverse pleasure in losing weight while other people are
gaining :-)  I've done this for a few years now at the holidays, and it feels
great. We go to a lot of parties, etc., and I always tell myself I can
have *anything* I want to eat, as long as I eat a large salad before we go.
The more fattening things I think the party will have, the larger the salad.
This really lets me nibble, without feeling deprived, and it turns out I
don't eat much there at all.

I'd just warn your friends/family that you're taking a major step, and would
appreciate their assistance. Then bring your stuff, and go for it. Miss 
Manners claims its an insult to go to someone's house for the food (i/s/o
their company), so you're not insulting them. Just tell them you didn't want
to miss the pleasure of seeing them, but this other thing is a trifle,
non-negotiable.

Good luck. Remember, they can't trip you up unless you allow it.
Congratulations on your loss, and many future happy losses. 

Patricia

GESCHWENTP@KENYON.EDU
GESCHWENT@VAX.CNS.MUSKINGUM.EDU

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From: janet@cs.UAlberta.CA (Janet Service)
Subject: Re: health clubs
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:07:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.212043.18595@cs.UAlberta.CA>, janet@cs.UAlberta.CA (Janet Service) writes:
> > In article <1992Nov17.101223.25773@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
> > 
> > As for me, I just stick with my aerobic videotapes at home. I am the opposite --
> >  I agree.  Wondering what videotapes you use at home.  I have a couple I do
> > 3-4 times a week and would like to get a new one but can't decide by reading
> > the boxes which tapes are the best.  Since I'm over 40, I need one that is
> > good but not terribly damaging to your body.  Can you (or others out there in
> > "netland") recommend a good one?  I saw one by Marilu Henner that looked pretty
> > good, has anyone done that one?
> 
> I try to go to the spa to work out 3 times a week, but if I
> can't for any reason I work out at home. I tape Kathy Smith on TV
> at the weekends, she does the low impact aerobic workout that I 
> prefer.  This way I get a variation, and don't get bored with the
> same routine.

I just remembered the name of another show that I believe is
shown in the States is Everyday Workout, the instructor is called
Cynthia (don't know the last name).
> 
> I also invested in a York 2000 and excercise bike (both second
> hand and in excellent condition). These encouraged both my husband
> and teenage son to workout too.
> 
> Just a couple of ideas for you.
> 
> Janet
>
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: health clubs
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:39:48 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

That cub sounds expensive, however I know that some clubs in my area
are very posh and quite expensive.  Some are dumpy looking, have pretty
good equipment and are cheaper.

There's a wonderful health/fitness club that is connected with a
hospital in San Diego and it has everything you could ever want.  It's
just a beautimus looking environment.  The only draw back is that the
lowliest membership is $400 and the monthly dues are $50.  Ouch!

I'm about to quit my club.  It's kind of a dump, but I've been a member
for a couple of years.  It's not a chain (I hate those big chains) and
it had a great swimming pool and good aqua aerobic classes in the summer.
It was never really crowded, except in the h2O aerboic classes.  But
I now have nautilus machines at work to use and I like walking on my
lunch hour.  Plus, I just bought a NordicTrack!  I like that much better
than the stair master and life cycles because it's easier on my back
and knees.

So, if you've got the money to spend on a posh club, you might just
do it for fun.  I always liked the idea of belonging to a posh club
that would pamper me.
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:37:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <17526@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:

>>She (Roth) suggested that we really enjoy eating
>>Eat in a calm place without distractions
>>Eat anything you want      
>>Eat until satisfied

>That's exactly what I did for the first 25 years of my life.
>At the end of that time I weighed 335 lbs and was gaining at
>the rate of 1 pound per month.  Just how long was I supposed
>to continue trying this method?  

The original poster (or you, in your editing) left off two very important
suggestions that Roth also makes:

Eat only when you're hungry.
Stop when you're no longer hungry (not full, just not hungry).

I'd put money on the fact that you (or I) didn't practice these last two
on the road to obesity.  



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
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Subject: Re: Comments on Nonfat Miracle Whip
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:19:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov20.161917.13736@cs.cornell.edu> lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo) writes:
>This inspires an idea that I haven't tried, but I make a very high-fat Italian
>cheesecake with angel food cake: you pack the inside of a bowl with angel 
>food cake and then layer it with layers of slices of AF cake and a mixture
>of ricotta cheese, heavy cream and 10x sugar, etc. Then you refigerate it for
>at least 12 hours and invert the bowl onto a plate and frost the whole thing
>with whipped cream. I won't mention the shaved chocolate that goes over all.

I'd never get through the 12 hours were such an object lurking in my
refrigerator.  I think I gained weight reading about it.  Actually, I
enjoy watching cooking shows and have told myself that
when I make a bit more progress that I'm going to sign up for some
classes.  The idea is to learn to enjoy food and to make the most of
occasions when one indulges.  YES to good eating, NO to McDonalds and
all the rest of them.  But I suspect that any cheescake I ever consume
will be purchased by the slice or eaten in a restaurant.  A whole cheescake
would last longer on the surface of the sun than in my refrigerator...
-- 
John Lundberg
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holiday dieting
Keywords: diet holidays socials
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:44:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

lady@vesta.unm.edu (Just some lady..) writes:

>In article <grenus.722024304@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> grenus@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Karen M Grenus) writes:
>(about holiday eating)


>>	Should I just eat very little the day of the party and work out like mad that week? I don't want to offend the people that invited me to dinner by not
>>eating or by whipping out my own freeze dried entree.

I agree with the others that you should eat your normal meals on the
day of the party and then eat whatever you can at the party.  I think
the key is drawing attention away from how little you're actually
eating by making sure they know how much you enjoy what you are eating.

Take a small spoonful of the more fattening things and take a lot of
the good things, vegetables, salads, etc., and eat and say "MMMMMM,
Marge, this is delicious!".  After you've eaten enough to satisfy 
you, say "Ohhh, I'm stuffed, I couldn't eat another bite, I wish
I could because it was fantastic, but I just can't".

If they comment on how little you ate, just smile and say that you
just can't eat a lot in one sitting.  They'll understand
eventually.

Sue


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Subject: Re: health clubs
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:16:26 EST

STUFF DELETED
>
>I just remembered the name of another show that I believe is
>shown in the States is Everyday Workout, the instructor is called
>Cynthia (don't know the last name).
>> 
Cynthia Kerluk (or something like that).  Her stuff is easy
and IMHO boring.  But, I use her tapes when I haven't been
exercising in awhile.  I tape her show from the LifeTime
channel.  I also like Charlene Prickett's show, ItFigures!
also on LifeTime.  Charlene sometimes talks too much for
my taste, but she (almost always) shows a low-impact version
of what she is doing and *encourages* people to hang in there.
She used to do three days of aerobics (Monday, Wednesday,
Friday) and two days of strentgh (Tuesday, Thursday).

I have to get back to these tapes; they really are very good.

Judy Frawley


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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:08:34 GMT

In article <98010@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <Nov.17.11.42.02.1992.9354@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>
>>I read that book.  Thats where I read that swimming doesn't burn fat.
>>Has he changed his mind on that?  The book I read was a 1978 edition.
>
>Doesn't one's heart and lungs work just as hard when swimming as when
>walking, jogging, or whatever?  And isn't that what burns up the calories
>and thus the fat?  

Yep.  However, studies have shown that statistically, people do not lose
body fat when they use swimming as their method of exercise (and the
suspected reason is that swimmers eat to make up for the calories
burned to keep a fat layer under the skin for warmth).  Clearly
individuals, being individuals, can lose weight swimming.  But many more
do not.  If it's the only exercise you can get, then by all means swim!
But you might stand a better chance if you walk instead.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:38:36 GMT
Subject: Re: I need HELP!!! (bingeing)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

You may want to do some thinking about your (food) environment.  My
own experiences show that if I run out of the 'good' food (fruits and
vegies for me), when I get hungry, the peanut butter and jelly
sandwich consumption (the equivalent of junk food for me, nowadays)
goes up.  You might want to consider getting a stash of fruit to
keep in a dorm 'fridge, like a few apples and such.  The idea is
to divert the junk food impulses into something a bit less nasty....

For me, putting myself on a guilt trip only made me depressed, which
made me want to eat more...  I had to learn to confront the situation
that triggered the eating cravings/episode, and figure out some
way to solve the problem.  (HMR's codified this, the guilt trip/depression
is one of the many manifestations of the 'failure syndrome', and the
confrontation/problem solving arrangement is what they call 
the 'success cycle'.  Useful tool.  I'll try to explain it in more
detail Real Soon Now.)

Bottom line; binging should have some reason behind it.  Try to figure
out that reason and how to divert/mutate/eliminate the causes and
you're most of the way around it.

Good luck!

Pete Brooks

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From: mefoster@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Mary Ellen Foster)
Subject: HELP!!!! (me again)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:17:30 GMT

Okay, I was going along fine for about a week or so - no serious
binges, and I have been seeing someone at Counselling Services. I
thought I had my compulsive eating under control.

NO WAY!!!

Today was just AWFUL!!! I had about 8-10 muffins after breakfast in the
cafeteria, so I decided to have a small lunch. Nope! I had three more 
muffins and a piece of coffee cake, along with the sandwich and fruit
that was all I really wanted - I wasn't even really hungry, I just
wanted to eat so that I wouldn't be starving before supper.

WELL!! Even after that pig-fest, I STILL spent $8.00 in the vending
machines within the last two hours. I don't have this kind of money!
My jeans were just starting to fit again! AAAUGGGHHH!!!!

Does anyone have any suggestions for things to do when you get those
sorts of urges - I need them! I want to lose this new 15-lb "spare
tire" I have developed since coming to university in the fall, before
I go home and see my family again in 5 weeks!

Now, I feel a little better (mentally) - however, physically my belt is
digging into my waist and I feel mildly ill. I don't think that I will
be eating supper tonight!

*   /|  /|    /---  /---  *  Mary Ellen Foster                    *
*  / | / |   /--   /--    *  MEFOSTER@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca *   
* /  |/  |  /___  /       *  Mathie-in-training                   *
* "For most of history, Anonymous was a woman."  - Virginia Woolf *
From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:19:50 GMT

In article <27772@oasys.dt.navy.mil> greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas) writes:
>-
>-Have you tried Quaker's Caramel Corn popcorn cakes?
>
>Yes, I have tried them and they have way to much sugar.  I have tried
>the Nacho Cheese Rice cakes by Quaker and they have 40 calories, no
>fat, no sugar and 80 mg of sodium.
>

You are correct, the Caramel Corn popcorn cakes *do* have a lot of sugar,
as I stated originally.  However, I don't think they have *too much* sugar.
When I crave something sweet, I'd rather have one of these cakes than
give in to the candy machine or feel totally deprived and miserable.

Not a bad deal -- 50 calories, no fat, 30 mg sodium and no nasty fake cheese
taste.


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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: health clubs
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:01:23 EST

In article <BxxKI8.CH5@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.101223.25773@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>>
>>Here are the facilites: 2 kinds of bike, stairmasters, rowing 
>>machine, treadmills, free weights, weight machines (Cybex),
>>lap pool, jacuzzi, sauna and steamroom (all facilites are
>>cooed, except the locker rooms, of course!).
>>married memberships cost $415 for 3 months and $1250 for a
>>year. 
>
>That is pretty expensive, all right! That is about $3 per day! Assuming
>you go every 2 or 3 days, it's really $6 - 9 per visit.
>
>For that kind of price, do they give classes? Yoga? Aerobic workouts?
>The club I belonged to had a belly dance instructor, even! If you find
>group activities help you, that might be an important part of the club.
>
>Also, beware! Many health clubs go out of business. It's good that you saw
>only a few people working out (the worst part of clubs is having to
>wait for your machine), but that could also mean they are under-enrolled.
>In my experience, health club people are worse than car salesman or any other
>high-pressure sales you care to mention. Don't go into the room with them
>alone unless you have very high resistance! And try not to pay all the money
>up front. Pay a little each month! That way, if they do go under, you are
>not out a big chunk of cash!

Well, I still haven't decided (we're going tonight for free-we had
to postpone our original trip that was scheduled for Tuesday) but there
are a couple of things that make this club different.  Its in a hotel
so I don't think it will go out of business.  Also, there was no
pressure to join.  I'd have to guess its becuase the staff doesn't
get a commision.  In fact, I think the owner keeps the price
high 'cause he doesn't want alot of members (since the facilities
are also open to hotel guests).  There are no classes but there's
no way I'd attend them anyway.  If I'd wanted to the Y has plenty
but I'm not the group activity type!   I think you can also pay
per session at this club but its like $8.  So if one person went
3 times a week it would cost more than having the married membership.

>if I have to leave the house to exercise, forget it! Driving to the club seems
>like such a waste of time. Also, tapes are cheaper!

I know what you mean.  I live 30 miles north of Syracuse, NY.  There
are alot more (cheaper) clubs there but if I had to drive 30 miles....
This club is about 5 minutes away.  I could walk....if I had to...

Margot
>
>


--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: rhart@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Exercise Videos
Date: 21 Nov 1992 19:58:22 GMT
Organization: Haas School of Business, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu


Some people emailed me wanting to know where to order
Richard Simmons' Sweatin' to the Oldies videos.

The number on my video box is 800-852-8700.

I think this is also the number to order Deal-A-Meal
(his diet plan). I haven't tried that, but I know the
videos are fun!

Jessica Hart
jessica@wrs.com
(or rhart@haas.berkeley.edu)