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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:37:13 EST
From:         Steve Cavrak <SJC@UVMVM.UVM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PENNINFO WUGATE
              11 Apr 1992 13:08:24 CDT from <joanna@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>

"Wugate.Wustl.Edu" is a campus gateway system - a menu front-end
to a set of services including internet services - akin to LIBS
or LIBTEL or Hytelnet ...

Here's a sample.
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Washington University Services
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Please enter your terminal type, or hit
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Washington University in Saint Louis                      Sat Apr 11 14:40 1992
=[Menu 0: Main Menu]===========================================================
   1. About Washington University Services
   2. Washington University Services
   3. United States Libraries
   4. Foreign Libraries
   5. Government Libraries and Public Accessible Databases
   6. Campus Wide Information Systems
   7. All Services
   8. Recent Additions
   9. Weather Forecast for US/Canada
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Thank you for using SERVICES.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:05:00 CST
From:         "Jim Milles, SLU Law Library" <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      NEW LIST: NET-TRAIN Bitnet/Internet Trainers
Comments: To: cnidir-l@UNMVM.BITNET, cwis-l@WUVMD.BITNET, medlib-l@UBVM.BITNET

Subject: NEW LIST: NET-TRAIN Bitnet/Internet Trainers List

NET-TRAIN@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU - Bitnet/Internet Trainers List
NET-TRAIN@SLUVCA

     (Note: this is *not* a listserv list.)

NET-TRAIN is a discussion list for librarians, academic
department computer jocks, computing and information services
people--anyone who is involved in training or support of others
in using the resources available on Bitnet and Internet.  Issues
for discussion might include: Who does the training at a
particular institution?  Who gets trained--faculty, staff, and
students?  Who provides support for different groups of users?
How is responsibility for different areas divided among different
groups, for instance, academic librarians and computer support
professionals?  Plans include developing an archive of training
materials that have been developed in-house at various
institutions.

To subscribe to NET-TRAIN, send a subscription request via mail
text to MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU.  Please include "NET-TRAIN" in
the Subject: line.

Owner: James Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>

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James Milles                                      (314) 658-2759
Head of Computer Services                   Fax:  (314) 658-3966
Saint Louis University Law Library       Bitnet: MILLESJG@SLUVCA
3700 Lindell Blvd.             Internet: millesjg@sluvca.slu.edu
St. Louis, Missouri  63108


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James Milles                                      (314) 658-2759
Head of Computer Services                   Fax:  (314) 658-3966
Saint Louis University Law Library       Bitnet: MILLESJG@SLUVCA
3700 Lindell Blvd.             Internet: millesjg@sluvca.slu.edu
St. Louis, Missouri  63108
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:34:19 EST
From:         Morven Wilson <MWILSON@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Calendar Info On-Line
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET>,
              Renee Lemieux <rlemieux@RyeVm.Ryerson.ca>

Keith tosses lots of ideas around .... this is one I've heard of before but
I didn't think he was this serious: I thought he was up to his ass in other
parts of the swamp.

   Do you wish to contact Ken S. yourself ... or would you prefer that I
contacted Keith?  I guess it depends how big an issue we want to make of it.

cc: Renee


J. Morven Wilson
Director, Computing and Communications Services
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
350 Victoria Street
Toronto
Ontario M5B 2K3                                              416-979-5037
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Return-Path: <st@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>
Posted-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 18:36:54 EDT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:36:54 EDT
From:         "Stephen W. Thompson" <st@ENIAC.SEAS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PENNINFO
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>
              "ARTG%EPCC.bitnet@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu" at Apr 9, 92 2:56 pm

Art Gonzalez (ARG@EPCC) writes:
> A couple of months ago, a co-worker was looking through WUGATE
> and came across PENNINFO.  He has since forgot where on WUGATE
> that PENNINFO was.  Could somebody let me know either how to
> access it through WUGATE or send me the TELNET address for it?

I guess there may possibly be more than one, but the PENNINFO *I* know is
available at penninfo.upenn.edu.  A production system only for a few months,
I found I already refer to it for U. Penn info regularly.

Hope this helps,
Steve (user, not maintainer or information provider or anything else of/to/for
       PENNINFO)

--
Stephen W. Thompson, University of Pennsylvania, 215-898-4585
Institute for Research on Higher Education, thompson@a1.quaker.upenn.edu (best)
   "Ask me about the Peace Tax Fund."           st@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (works)
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:00:51 -0800
From:         David Walker <DHWalker@UCI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Calendar Info On-Line
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>

Ken,

Please let me know if you find anything out.  We aren't doing it right now,
but it is a favorite project of one of our campus higher-ups.  It seems to
me that the interesting technical problem is how to handle selecting
information by date.

Thanks.

                                  David Walker
                                  OAC Network Services Manager
                                  Network and Telecommunications Services
                                  University of California, Irvine
                                  Irvine, CA 92717-5475
                                     DHWalker@uci.edu
                                     (714) 856-7037
                                     FAX: (714) 725-2270

>We are considering the idea of placing our academic calendar information
>on-line in a CWIS.  I would be interested in hearing from people that have
>taken the plunge and have calendar info: curricular requirements, course
>descriptions, academic regulations etc., available on-line.
>Many thanks in advance for any information you can provide.
>Ken Scullion
>Assistant Manager
>Registration and Records
>Ryerson
>ADMN8639@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
>(416) 979-5161
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:22:56 CDT
From:         "Ron Doctor, Univ. of Alabama SLIS" <RDOCTOR@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Restricted access within a CWIS
              2 Apr 1992 11:56:23 EST from <dsm@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>

David Millman of Columbia Univ wrote that:

>> the system is growing past the point where it could even strictly be
>> called a cwis anymore.  so: more food for discussion: the already
>> moving target is turning completely amorphous...

David, I'd appreciate it if you would elaborate on your statement.  What kind
of growth argues against calling the system a CWIS?
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:34:45 EST
From:         dickie <RSELFE@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU>
Subject:      personal note to M. Day

Sorry to use MBU for this but I can't seem to get through to Michael Day via
his own address.

Robert Jones has been TRYING to get through to your account for a day, but
has not been successful.  Got any other addresses that he could try at least
temporarily?  Dickie


Dickie Selfe    rselfe@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:50:27 EST
From:         "Cynthia L. Selfe" <CYSELFE@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU>
Subject:      Jim McDonald's Note

Thank you. Jim, for pointing out to people how useful the CCCC Bibliography of
Composition and Rhetoric and be.  Megabuddies--we sure would appreciate your
help in getting departments, schools, and individuals to purchase current and b
ack copies  of the CCCC Bib--if you'd like an order blank (or 60--to hand out
to your faculty) please just send me your snail mail addresses!  We'd be more t
han happy to oblige, of course!

Cindy


Cindy Selfe                           internet:  cyselfe@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
Humanities Department                telephone: (906) 487-2447
Michigan Technological University          fax: (906) 487-3347
1400 Townsend Drive
Houghton, MI 49931
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:23:49 CDT
From:         "Eric Johnson DSU, Madison, SD 57042" <ERIC@SDNET.BITNET>
Subject:      Computer programming in the Humanities

     Following is information about a three-credit graduate course
in programming for the humanities offered by Dakota State
University via BITNET (and other interconnected networks).
Students in the course can be anywhere in the world if they can
send and receive electronic mail.

     CHUM 650, COMPUTER PROGRAMMING FOR THE HUMANITIES, is an
introduction to programming using SNOBOL4 for applications in the
humanities such as analysis of texts, arranging data from research,
and formatting for printing and desktop publishing.  The primary
emphasis in the course will be on computer applications with texts.

     The course is designed for humanists who want to learn to
write useful computer programs for research and teaching.  The
language of choice for this course is SNOBOL4 because it is a
powerful language designed for non-numeric computing; students can
write useful programs in SNOBOL4 almost from the start.  The course
will begin with an introduction to programming, then cover
techniques of structuring SNOBOL4 programs, and it will finish with
students completing individual projects of their own creation.

     Students in the course can work at their own pace; they can
begin immediately.  Students should plan to finish all course
requirements by August 1.

     Programming assignments for the course will be designed for
MS-DOS microcomputers.  Although most assignments can be modified
for Macintosh users, students using a Macintosh would have to
purchase MaxSPITBOL, and they would need an understanding of
Macintosh file structures.

     It is a prerequisite for the course that students have a sound
understanding of how to upload and download files from the
mainframe that runs electronic mail to the DOS microcomputer used
for the programming assignments.  In addition, students must be
familiar with DOS commands.

     The total cost of the course is $239.82.  No textbook is
required.  Students will be sent a disk containing a public-domain
SNOBOL4 compiler and a text editor.  Lectures and data files will
be sent electronically.

     Students may audit the course or enroll for credit and receive
a grade of Pass or Fail.  The cost to audit the course is the same
as enrolling for credit.

     Those who want an electronic registration form or who have
questions about the course should send a message to

             Eric Johnson
             ERIC@SDNET.BITNET
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:17:24 MST
From:         Karen Schwalm <SCHWALM@GC.BITNET>
Subject:      New depths in fee-ble-mania

Well, I have just returned from a meeting in which I learned that one of
our campuses has implemented a new fee: $10 a semester for 1-on-1 tutoring
in the writing center.  If you want group tutoring, it's free.  I am
appalled!  This is a COMMUNITY COLLEGE, mind you!

Actually, my only hope is that people will see this as being SO outrageous
that it will call into question the entire fee structure.

Of course this will impact our weakest students, those who are most
reticent about asking for help.  What will this do to faculty who
encourage students to seek the help they need in the Writing Center?  Once
again, pocketbooks rule.  But even more insidious, what kind of message
does this send about group work?  Is this the "cheap" version of education?

I really object when we place educational decisions side by side with
economic ones.  One of the reasons for "tuition" is to even out the
inequities of costs in course offerings (foreign language and music are the
most expensive to teach, even moreso than lab science; you know where
writing falls!) Why should those courses that integrate technology, provide
individual help, or make use of special tools to improve learning cost more
?  Maybe this means I can go to Budget U. where I get a bare-bones
education: no computers, no videos, no overheads, no library, no tutoring,
no labs.

Luckily, this isn't my campus...yet.

--Karen T. Schwalm              Department of English
--Glendale Community College    Maricopa Community College District
--6000 West Olive Avenue        Voice: (602) 435-3651  Bitnet: schwalm@gc
--Glendale, Arizona  85302      Internet: schwalm@gc.maricopa.edu
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:52:51 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      MLA Citation

Can someone tell me where in the MLA Handbook for Writers of Research
Papers I can find an example of the correct way to punctuate a quoted
question that is followed by parenthetical documentation?  The handbooks
states that the parenthetical documentation follows the closing
quotation mark of a declarative sentence and is, in turn, followed by
the closing period.  No mention is made of question marks (or
exclamation marks), so I imagine the rule is the same.  My "problem"
with this is twofold: (1) I don't find it specifically stated and (2) to
quote my students, it doesn't *look* right.

I welcome some authoritative comments on this, especially if you can give
me titles and pages for reference.

Thanks,
Doris Smith
dorisann@tenet.edu
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:57:25 EST
From:         Bob Child <vsf@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MAIL-MEN
              Apr 16, 92 9:56 am

Bob,

The address that Kovacs gives is

		MAIL-MEN@attunix.att.com

It's not a LISTSERV operated list, so you subscribe by sending a
request to

		MAIL-MEN-REQUEST@attunix.att.com

The listowner is Marcel-Franck Simon

		mingus@attunix.att.com


    Bob Child  --==--==--<>--==--==--  Department of English
	       vsf@mace.cc.purdue.edu
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:20:00 CDT
From:         Ed Sears <YRELS@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: software question

I am using the American Heritage Electronic Dictionary on my Mac
Classic. It is installed as a desktop accessory on system 7. I
like the thesaurus and multi-keyword functions. I don't like the
limited number of definitions per word and limited number of
words defined. I also like the DA installation. It allows me to
access the dictionary, thesaurus, etc. without having to worry
about shutting down whatever program I'm using or mess with
multifinder (which is obsolete on System 7 anyway).
Ed Sears, Texas Tech
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:12:00 CDT
From:         Fred Kemp <YKFYY@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      on-line texts

Richard Seltzer, regarding the use of electronic on-line texts in
classrooms.. . .   I once, like an idiot, typed in the entire
text of Joyce's short story, "The Dead," for a class that Locke
Carter taught at the University of Texas ("reader response," he
said).  UT has since gotten a Kurtzweil Reader, and does that
sort of thing much more efficiently.  But in the OLD days, we
used to walk ELEVEN miles through the snow in sandals. . . .

Fred
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:21:21 --500
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      FRENCH LISTS?

 *** Reply to note of 04/08/92 20:31
 I'm sure I found a french speaking list the other day: everyone was either
 rude or incomprehensible.

 -- David E. Schwalm, Director of Composition
 ___Arizona State University
 ___(602) 965-3853
 ___BITNET: IACDES@ASUACAD
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Original_cc:  LHAMPLYONS
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:45:00 MDT
From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDENVER.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Reply:yacks, collabs, & pedagos

I received a message with the subject line shown on this message and addressed
to "Bob".  It appreared to be for Bob alone.  Fred, time for one of your
quarterly reminders about distinguishing public and private messages?
grouchy Liz
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:24:34 CDT
From:         joseph marek williams <jmw1@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Naive (and tactless?) wondering (1)

To Dave et al:  I have tenure but comp is still on the margins in the
 department.
It has a very substantial place in the University, however.  We enroll about
400-500 juniors, seniors, grad students, profesisnal studnets, and post-docs
in the Schoolhouse, and employ maybe 40 - 50 graduate students in various
positions.  We also supply the "regular" (i.e., tenure-track faculty) with
Writing Interns whom we train in the Schoolhouse to help them teach writing
to the first year Humanities students.  As a result, the Writing Program
has a sound base and general respect, except for some quarters of the English
department, where the Schoolhouse is viewed with suspicion and occasional
contempt for its taint of the the social sciencies, cognitive psychology,
and other alien and perhaps irredeemably perverse practices.

What keeps it all insulated from departmental politics is that the budget
and the progrfam reports directly to the Dean, not to the department, and
because we employ more grfaduate st udents from outside the department than
we do graduate students inside the department.  It has become a kind of
insulated bastion that pretty much runs its own show according to its own
agenda, with no outside interference.  The upside is we don't worry about the
lit-crit/theory and increasingly PC nature of the department.  The downside
is that it is politically and ideologically always at potential odds with
the department.  But that's not an entirely bad thing.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:08:11 MST
From:         Karen Schwalm <SCHWALM@GC.BITNET>
Subject:      Computers and Writing Schedule

Just a correction for Megabunnies (I've sent it on to Mary Sauer, Web!)

The title of my C&W presentation is "Student Participation in Electronic
Conferences: A Quantitative Description."  I'm not looking at high school
students, and we aren't really operating on a LAN (more like a WAN).  I'm
wallowing in frequencies, means, and statistical tests, but I'll bring
noisemakers or cymbals to Indianapolis to keep folks awake after lunch.

Actually, this stuff is kind of interesting.  I keep wondering how I can
integrate statistics into the rather simple "description" papers some
students write.  I'd like to institute an online class survey (combo of
multiple choice questions and open-ended questions on attitudes, background
and habits) from which students would have to write a "description" of
some aspect of the class (like work patterns, political beliefs/practices,
or attitudes toward exercise).  Our system has a polling option that gives
students the results immediately after they have "voted," but right now,
only one poll can be operating at a time.  That should change by fall.  So
I would like to construct a 20-30 question "class interview" from the
results of which students would select information to write the first paper
of the semester.

Now if we could get a couple of other comp classes from around the country
to telnet in and participate in "polls" of their own, we could do a neat
comparison/contrast project.  Dyno-mite!

Anyway, see you all in Indianapolis!

--Karen T. Schwalm              Department of English
--Glendale Community College    Maricopa Community College District
--6000 West Olive Avenue        Voice: (602) 435-3651  Bitnet: schwalm@gc
--Glendale, Arizona  85302      Internet: schwalm@gc.maricopa.edu
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From: englhq@rosie.uh.edu (Franklet, Duane L.)
Subject: Grader
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:11:00 GMT

I am releasing a control panel file called Grader that some of you
may find interesting. Grader is a text-insertion utility that
intercepts user-defined hot keys and inserts comments. We give it
to instructors who use our lab to grade papers, and they configure
the comments however they like. 

Grader works across all applications and is 32 bit clean. It is a
lot like QuicKeys, except that in QuickKeys you can't print out
your comments and, better yet, Grader is freeware.

You can get the file by FTP from sumex  info-mac/cp or drop me a
note and I'll send it over. Enjoy.

Duane Franklet
englhq@jetson.uh.edu
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