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From: BFRIBERG@finabo.abo.fi (Welcome to the Pleasuredome!!)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaded or Unleaded
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:39:54 GMT
Organization: Axelbandet unlimited
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In <1992Apr13.211341.2371@acsu.buffalo.edu> v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

> 
> 	A friend of mine has a question for his bike.  He has a 1973
> Honda CB350F and wants to know if it is O.K. for  the motor if he just runs
> unleaded gas with no additives.  Anybody got anything worthwhiel to say about 
> using straight pump gas in a motor made to run in the "leaded era".  All replies
> are apprieciated- thanks in advance.
> 
> 						Ethan Bowerman
Do not i repeat NOT use unleaded in that bike!
Unleaded fuel will cause the valve seats to burn up 
(or something like that).

Unleaded is for sissies! >;^)

MUAHAHAHAAA, I'm gonna ride tomorroooooooooooooow............!!!!!!



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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Basic Electricity (was Re: Jump start with car? DONT DO IT !!!!!!)
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:30:05 GMT

(Santiago de la Paz) explains the basics of the Electron elemental:

>SO, the SIZE of the charger makes no difference, just so long as it
>is a 12-volt charger and your motorcycle battery is a 12-volt
>battery.

And given that many suppliers sell low current trickle chargers for
the paltry sum of $7, nobody has any excuse not to buy one dedicated
for your bike.  Rather than messing with spring clips on the battery
terminals, just make a small harness with a connector to plug the charger
into the bike, and use it on a regular basis.  Considering that even
the cheapest of motorcycle batteries are still $20, the investment
pays off pretty quickly.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  - "Worth the Obsession"
DoD #094        "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: a ride revisited
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Robert B. Pasker)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:36:32 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: San Francisco State University

since steve has started a trend, i might as well dredge up some old
ride stuff.   this is about 2 years old.



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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Leaded or Unleaded
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:17:23 GMT

Your main concern (skipping cat converters) is the valve seats
the unleaded are much harder, the lead helps the softer valve
seats. Might have to use a lead additive. I just put my
82 1100 midnite back on the road, been off for 7 years, and
they stopped selling leaded fuel in run of the mill stations
about 5 years ago, however there is a cam3 dealer up the road
from me by Pocono Raceway, he sells leaded racing fuel from
a pump (3bucks a gallon though)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: CX500..what the hell
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:46:24 GMT

pyoung@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (Peter Young) writes:
>From article <kdrwv3i00iUxA4YnYq@andrew.cmu.edu>, by jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Robert Nadzam):
>> As I was pulling mme big CB750 upinto the bike area at CMU I saw a Honda
>> CX500, I have never seen one of these before, it looked to be around mid
>> 80's and to have an airplane engine in it. What type of powerbox is in
>> those bikes, they look cool and squidy.

>OMIGAWD, the Plastic Maggot is alive and well.

So far it's been called "cool", "beautiful", and "Plastic Maggot". I
still can't figure out why Honda sold any of them, but having seen Honda
build a Moto Guzzi, I'm rather glad they haven't tried a Ducati. :-)
The 650 Turbo was wild enough to be attractive, but the cheese-ball
graphics and Bat-cycle headlight/turn signal shroud on the first few
years production of the 500 make it one of the ugliest bikes of all time.

>500 v-twin (watercooled) transverse , shaft drive. Later versions were
>produced with bigger engines (650 I think) and there was even a turbo version.

But nobody seems to have mentioned the one really weirdo feature of the
engine: pushrods. It seems like every few years Honda has to produce an
answer to a question that nobody asked, and the CX is the answer to the
question "why can't pushrod engines spin fast?"
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bdhepler@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brad D. Hepler)
Subject: Deerskin gloves and HG Dakar jacket opinions??
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:18:58 GMT

"Perhaps we should never procure a new suit, however ragged or dirty the
old, until we have conducted, so enterprised or sailed in some way, that
we feel like new men in the old, and that to retain it would be like
keeping new wine in old bottles." -- H D Thoreau


Hi all,

It seems that there is a consensus that Z's Deer Trak gloves offer one
of the best combinations of comfort and protection.  I saw an ad
recently for a new Bates deerskin glove with external stitching.  Any
opinions on either would be welcome.  Should I be dissuaded from
spending $80 on a pair of gloves?

Also, if anyone has any opinions on the Hein Gericke Dakar jacket, I'd
be interested in hearing them.  The Dakar, too, seems to strike a good
combination of comfort, practicality, and protection.  But for the
price, I wonder if I wouldn't be better off getting a jacket from Vanson
or Z -- less practical, but having a certain je ne sais quois.

And if anyone has any opinions on helmet laws, I'd be really interested
in hearing those opinions too.


Unrelated:  my brother just moved to LA from Portland, and one of the
things that he remarked on was the "craziness" of the MC riders in Lala
land.  (He rides too.)  His boss has hit lane-splitting motorcyclists on
two separate occasions.  hmm.  So is it really not that bad riding in LA
traffic, or is it just something you get used to? I've been trying to
persuade him to try some of the famous roads like Angeles Crest, but he
doesn't seem to be interested in dealing with the traffic.  :-/


Brad
___________
Brad Hepler     class of 92 Mech. Eng.       bdhepler@phoenix.princeton.edu 
cbr600 (note non-PC insertion of bike brand)  "What else floats in water?"
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 09:10:04 CET
From: Jon <JBEST@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Celica smokes FZR 1000 @ racetrack
Distribution: usa

> ben@osc.osc.com (Ben Sloss) writes...

> The April 1991 issue of Car & Driver put a bunch of 4-cyl 'sporty' cars
> on the Streets of Willow Springs racetrack.  The worst laptime of the bunch
> was the Toyota Celica, posting a 1:00 laptime.  The best m/c laptime I've
> seen for a stock bike was a 1:03 in Motorcyclist for the FZR 1000.
> What gives?  Are our high-performace bikes simply vastly inferior to
> even a mediocre cage?  I find it very hard to believe!

Well perhaps it's significant that it was the April issue....then again
perhaps they couldn't ride the FZR! (It was CAR and Driver after all!!!)

For those of you who are interested, two UK mags (Performance Bike and
Performance Car) had a shootout last September between an FZR 1000 EXUP
and a Porsche 911 Turbo (you'll have to ignore this if it's been posted
already). The figures they got included:

                               FZR                     Porsche

Standing start           10.89 s @ 130ish mph     13.40 s @ 108 mph
quarter mile

Top speed (on a              171.0 mph                168.5 mph
two mile straight)

Stopping distance             157 feet             93 feet 6 inches
(from 60 mph)                                         (with ABS)

The bike mag concluded that while you got wet and cold on the bike, the
Porsche cost over 10 times as much and when you're sat in silent luxury
at 160 mph it's just not as much fun.

Any thoughts?

   Jon
From: edsmigu@edski.edski.ericsson.se (Mikael Gudmunds)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: CX500 E ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:57:59 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Data Services, Stockholm,Sweden


I've been reading a lot of replys to "CX500..what the hell" (and supplied one myself)
and I'm a bit surprised that almost all the articles mention CX500, CX500 C, CX500 T and
GL500, but not a single article mentions CX500 E!
CX500 E looked like a stripped version of CX500 T (sort of). It had a more "normal" design
than the standard CX500. 
I wonder why none of you guys seem to have heard of this bike before. Could it be that
only a few contries imported it?

I've seen quite a few nicknames for the CX500 in the articles, so a thought I'd contribute
with a few myself: In Sweden, the standard CX500 was called "The Water Buffalo" by those
who liked it, and "The Plastic Pig" by those who did not. The CX500 C was considered
"wilder" looking and was promptly named "The Wild Boar".

//Mike
From: dcarter@supra.East.Sun.COM (Dave Carter-Sun-Atlanta GA-Atlanta District MCC)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Racing Gas
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:12:49 GMT
Reply-To: dcarter@supra.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: supra.east.sun.com

I own a 82 Honda CB750 Custom, the store up the road sells racing gas, 100 Octane,
at $2+ a gallon. Would it be benificial to use this gas or should I go ahead and
use unleaded regular?

What are the benifits/disadvantages

Thanks
DAvid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Originator: heathman@harriett.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:12:32 GMT

In article <iNXqiB1w164w@upchrch.UUCP> joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:
>steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>
>> I hope
>> you meant to say that "motorcycles are _perceived_ to be dangerous".
>
>I'd have to say that the perception is pretty accurate in this matter. I
>did some analysis of accident statistics one time and found that
>motorcycle riders are twenty times as likely to get killed in an
>accident as automobile passengers on a passenger mile basis. It worked
>out as about four times as likely to have an accident and about five
>times as likely that each accident will be fatal.
>

	I would be interested to know how much these statistics are skewed by
inexperienced riders and idiots.  I will agree that motorcycling is more 
dangerous for beginning riders.  They just don't have the experiential database
needed to deal with the situations they encounter.  Also, the "weekend rider" 
who only rides his GXR-1100 on Sundays when the temp is over 80F.  He will
never approach the level of control that is possible when you ride your bike 
constantly.
	I believe an experienced rider has much more accident avoidance 
capability than anyone in a car.  I would like to see statistics for riders 
with a reasonable amount of experience, say at least 5 years AND 50,000 miles.

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From: rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (Ninja Squirrel Master)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: R100GS bags at speed
Keywords: too fast
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:42:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcomfs

In article <1992Apr1.190625.14093@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>The real story is it will void your warantee  :-) :-),
>
>You see there are these little accelerometers hidden
>on the bags, and they keep track of the maximum speed
>atained.  When you bring the bike in for service the
>dealer will check these to determine if your warantee
>is still valid...

    On a more serious note:

    Empirical testing has shown that,

	WITH a 1992 R100GS,
	WITH dual BMW saddlebags full of stuff,
	WITH no appreciable crosswind or headwind,
	WITH a smooth, straight, road,
	WITH an attained speed of slightly over 100mph,

	...there is no noticeable instability.

    Of couse, your mileage (and safety) may vary.
--
    Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.

    "Traditionalists often study what is taught, not what there is to create."
			     - Ed Parker, Grandmaster, American Kenpo.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal? (GSXR750)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:09:23 GMT

In <5p1t!ch@rpi.edu> adamkp@aix.rpi.edu (Peter Adamkovics) writes:


>  Maybe you dont know, or just forgot, but in my original post I asked
> if that was a good price for the bike, do you think it is?

	Me?  Forget?  No, but I was rather obtuse about it.  Two grand is
not a bad price for the bike to mentioned, providing the motor/drivetrain
is sound and it has been properly maintained.  A GSXR-750 that has a hundred
miles left in it is worth about a nickel.  If you know something about
the mechanicals on bikes, you'll know what to look for.  If you do not (and
I suspect you do not since you mentioned you don't even have a license and
just recently got hooked on motorcycles), it may be well worth the twenty
bux or the case of beer to have a mechanic check it out for you.  This may
be offered as a service at a local shop, or you may just want to ask one
of the mechanics if he could do it some evening when he gets off work.  The
latter is nice because the mechanic gets some money the IRS never heard of,
and his decision doesn't reflect the shop he works for in any way.  Any
former mechanics wish to comment on this practice?

>And by the way, how do you know what my reflexes are like?  (I'm not taking 
>offense or anything)  and I feel I'm not too small either for these bikes,
> since I am 6' 2''  and weigh 190 lbs.  But I definetly agree, I will spend
>a lot of time just learning before I come anywhere near the limit of the
>bikes capability, and honestly, maybe I wont ever be good enough to test
>the limits of the bike.

	This is perhaps the most refreshing posting I've seen from a new
rider looking for a sportbike in a long time.  I have no idea of what
your reflexes are like, but chances are they are nowhere near good enough
to respond to each and every situation the road and/or bike might throw
at you.  If they were, several factories would like to offer you some
serious money to ride for them.  That's why we emphasize defensive riding,
because avoiding a bad situation in the first place is much safer than
depending on your reflexes to get you out of it.  Your height may make a
GSXR-750 a bit cramped, but that's a personal call.  I'm 5'9" and 175,
and riding a fire-breathing 750 too, so it's not weight or height that
really affects performance.  Mostly it's experience and maturity.  You
will have to be the one to decide how you measure up to this.

	Two grand isn't a bad price.  Did you remember the cost of a
helmet, insurance, leathers, and maintainence (oil, chain, tires)?

<Daniel R. Sorenson   Dod #1066  |If Iowa State University agreed with me >
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu <- work |I'd make $90K/yr.  They don't, I don't. >
<viking@iastate.edu      <- play |"I am *not* goofing off.  I am driving  >
< myself mercilessly in the pursuit of relaxation." -- T. Weeds           >

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: risks of motorcycling vs experience
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:10:53 GMT

heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman) writes:
>	I would be interested to know how much these statistics are skewed by
>inexperienced riders and idiots.  I will agree that motorcycling is more 
>dangerous for beginning riders. ...

In a previous posting, someone pointed out that there are two components to
motorcycling risk:

	1) your odds of colliding with another vehicle (or a tree or the
		ground or whatever)
	2) your odds of being seriously injured or killed once (1) has
		happened 

My intuition says that as riders gain experience, (1) drops dramatically,
while (2) will only go down somewhat.  The argument for the latter conclusion
is that once you are in an accident situation on a motorcycle, you are in big
trouble, and that most riders don't get much practice in crashing which might
help them to do it more safely.

For an experienced rider, it seems like (1) could drop down near a comparable
figure for motorists, but (2) will always be much higher.

Mike
-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Ringmaster, Boelter Hall Roach Circus--
   The more Angelino drivers I meet, the more I like Charles Manson.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: preliminary tally FG vs. GS
Summary: Yet another poll
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.212301.9654@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, 
	car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes...
>Any of you riders out there who ride or have owned an FJ1100 or FJ1200, 
>and whose name is *not* in the following list, please e-mail me your name 
>so I can add it to the list.  When the list is complete, I'm proposing
>that all the riders on this Official DoD Bike of Choice List 
>change their name to "Chuck", the Official Dod First Name of Choice.
	Hey, great!  Does that mean that if I buy an FJ, people will start
calling me "Chuck" instead of "Bruce"? (I am not now, nor was I ever in the
past, a member of the Philosophy Department of the University of Woolloomooloo
:-).

Ivan (No Hayfever yet!) Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.667	 MCRCNSW #600	       DoD #484
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: PRELIMINARY TALLY FG
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:20:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> ps: I post all these bikes in my .sig 'cause I'm insecure.  The
-> proof? Two of the four belong to my wife, and they both run well;
-> only one of mine runs.  But you won't see me admit that in my .sig.

 Well, at least you have two.  My wife has two bikes, I have one.  I'm
not exactly sure how this happened... she doesn't even ride!
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 0FB169C0@FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO, dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes:
>> 
>>In California, if 5 or more vehicles are lined up behind you waiting to pass, 
>>you are required by law pull over ...
>
>Are bikers required to look back one or twice a minute just to check if there
>is more than 5 cars lined up behind him? I don't think this is very safe
>from a bikers point of view.

All vehicle operators are required to be cognizant of their
environment, and aware of the traffic situation around them.  This is a
prerequsite for survival on a motorcycle or a bicycle, and is a
requirement from which cagers are generally exempt.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:05:19 GMT

sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Eng Wordsmith]) writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.181140.1081@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dgibb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Don Gibb) writes:
>>In article <9481@wrgate.wr.tek.com> davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>>
>>>How about Rulebook-Burners?  The top three finishers in the AMA
>>>Twinsports (Harley 883's) were all disqualified after teardown
>>>inspection at Daytona!
>>
>>Ummmmm, what was the reason for the disqualification?

>     cheating.

>    :->


A report in Cycle News states that one of the three has been absolved
of the cheating charges as the head actually fell into the tolerence
levels of the factory, if not he spec.??? The other two cases are
still pending. One of those two however seemed to have machining marks
visable on the heads in question...

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Where to buy dual Fiamm horns?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:37:42 GMT

odin@cats.ucsc.edu (Jon Granrose) writes:
>druth@erg.sri.com (Doug Ruth) writes:

>>Anyone have suggestions as to where I can buy a set of BLACK (not CHROME)
>>dual Fiamm horns?  I've checked local shops as well as mail-order

Have you tried the auto parts shops?

>In the April '92 Motorcyclist there is a compendium of "Streetwise" tips
>from the last year.  On the second page there is one dealing with Fiamms.
>Reproduced without permission:

>	More Fiamms Found

>	   Go to your local junkyard and look for
>	'60s to '80s Fiat 124 sprts coupes and

There was another tip in Motorcyclist around a year ago that provided a
Ford part number for them. I'll try and dig it up, but if anyone wants
to beat me to it, feel free.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200