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From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 20:48:51 GMT

Susanne Gilliam writes:

>  Now, if you are talking about body **shape**, I can tell you for sure
>that my weight re-distributed itself, and no amount of spot toning has
>changed that.  My waist is bigger and my bust is smaller (I know, you
>are supposed to get bigger after pregnancy/nursing, but there is a
>quiet minority out there that gets smaller after every baby.  ...

For me, they both got bigger ...but after the fat goes, there'll probably
be no difference. But I've heard many tales of women getting smaller and only 
a couple tales of women getting larger.  I remember that a common reason for 
breast enlargements was to restore what disappeared after pregnancy.

Other changes that I have noticed are larger feet, a larger ringsize, bigger
hips and a bigger rib cage. Does this happen with each pregnancy?  If you 
have 12 kids do you end up with humongous feet?

diana
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Why do we do it?
Date: 24 Jul 1992 07:43:27 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Why do we read all the labor stories when we are pregnant?  Are we
masochists (sp?)? Do we just prefer to inflict more worry upon our
selves?  Are we looking for the secret to a painfree birth experience?

The logical side of me says that it is to prepare ourselves for a large
range of experiences, so as to not be shocked or suprised, but my
pregnant side is always telling my logical side to can it, what does
she know anyway? She's not the pregnant one!

-Shirl
From: shimeall@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:49:26 GMT
Reply-To: shimeall@cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

In article <Bs6q12.I7n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>No toxic substances, either (Again, a high electrolyte
>content, probably, but nothing toxic - after all it came from a living
>organism, that is presumably not dying from toxic shock).

Sorry, Ammonia and Urea are both toxic substances (to humans). That's
why they are excreted from the body in the first place -- or haven't
you heard what happens when someone's kidneys shut down?  While the 
concentration absorbed through a wound _probably_ won't be fatal, it
should be emphasized that peeing on someones wound is an _emergency_
measure, when _nothing_else_ of preferable nature is possible and when
other treatments are deferred.

Personally, I carry a bottle of "Bactine" while backpacking, and use
that to treat cuts, scrapes, etc. (Along with sterile gauze,
anticeptic wipes, etc.)

To return to the original question: Peeing is yucky because urine
contains substances that:
  + Are toxic
  + Encourage bacteria growth
  + Are emitted from a bacteria-rich area of the body, which is often
    handled in the course of urinating
So the rule of choice is "wash your hands after you go".
				Tim

-- 
Tim Shimeall ((408) 646-2509)
The proper response to detecting a bug isn't to fix the bug - it's to make 
sure you'll never have to worry about that bug again.  --- Richard Hamming
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: petel@bucket.rain.com (Pete Lancashire)
Subject: Re: misc.teenagers?
Keywords: don't receive alt groups
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:52:43 GMT

bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:


>	a.) where to post articles about teenagers (this group seems to be
>		about young children and i don't get any alt groups)

>	b.) has there ever been a push to creat misc.teenagers?

I'll like to see a misc.teenagers as well.

I'm now a mentor/big-brother to a 13 year old, and i'll like to 'talk' to
others in the same situation.

-pete

petel@bucket.rain.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bhjelle@vaxine.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle)
Subject: Re: Death of a 2 year old
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:15:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <3775@wyse.wyse.com> donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302) writes:
>out on the net...
>
>My co-worker's 2 year old granddaughter died two months ago.  The doctors
>have finally discovered that it was caused from a virus in the heart.  
>Her parents heard her cry early one morning, and when they went to check 
>up on her, she was convulsing.  Her symptoms were similar to a heart 
>attack.  The doctors could not find anything wrong with her brain 
>(thought it could be an aneurism) or heart until now.  They originally
>were saying it was a form of SIDS.  Then checked if it was an aneurism
>that was hereditary (thank God it wasn't).  Has anyone heard
>of dying from a virus in the heart?  They were told that 97% of the people
>with this condition die.  Anyone know what it could be caused by?
>
Viral cardiomyopathies can be very serious. Deaths and/or cardiac
transplants are very common because of the severe weakening
of the heart muscle and severe cardiac arrythmias that can
occur. I don't know about 97% but that number is probably not 
way off.

Cardiomyopathies are often caused by enteroviruses like ECHO
or Coxsackie that cause mild and self-limited diseases in
the overwhelming majority of people who get infected. There
has been no real insight into why it is that a tiny minority
of people with these viruses become gravely ill with
cardiomyopathy.

Brian
From: cromarti@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Robert Cromartie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Waters Break...Go to Hospital..Why? (was Re: Use of drugs during l
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:53:14 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

Our midwives advised us that it was safe to continue laboring at home up to 24
hours after Louie's water broke. After that, the danger of infection becomes
a real concern (we went for 12 (more) hours before going to the hospital, and
delivered 12 hours after that). The only time I've heard of immediate action
being taken after the waters break is if there is evidence of meconium stain in
the amniotic fluid. I don't know what action is usually taken, however (not,
I think, just going to the hospital and walking around for the next ten hours,
though).

RC
cromarti@cs.unc.edu
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Keywords: Historical perspective - positive for both sides!
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:22:05 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Jul25.004917.6695@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson) writes:
...
>
>On the way home from work today, I checked four different Bible dictionaries
>about the use of the word rod in the Old Testament.  There are 4 or 5 
>Hebrew words that are translated to the word rod.  The rod used to 
>tend sheep is a different Hebrew word than the rod of punishment used to
>correct children.  Check for yourself.

I don't suppose you would be so charitable as to publish these
words, with references to the works you looked them up in (Oh,
yeah, among my other sins, I end sentences with prepositions.  I
be I could find some of those in a bible, too)

I'd really like to know the difference, and the correct
nomenclature, since I have no use whatever for a shepherd's crook.

While we're on the subject, do you believe in operative or
descriptive definitions?

And yes, it does make a difference.

>
>The point is that God (yes, He wrote the Bible, unbeliever)

One wonders what happened to all his other writings, that somehow
didn't get into whatever mistranslation you would have us believe
is The Real Thing.



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Xref: sparky misc.kids:19969 misc.education:3031
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:11:13 GMT

>In article <1992Jul27.195837.26820@watson.ibm.com>, lisa@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger) writes:
>> 
>> A woman who is electronically monitored is more likely to have a
>> cesarean or a forceps delivery than one who is not.  The problem
>> is that doctors simply don't have a clear idea on how to interpret 
>> the data they get from these machines.

Well,  here is another thing to think about. Before monitors Nurses were
trained to listen using an instrument called (I think) a fetasope. Let me
repeat that, nurses *USED TO BE* trained to use that device. My Doctor, a
dear old-fashioned soul, likes to talk about the good old days before all
the fancy equipment when nurses knew how to use the whatchamacallit. Now
days nurses know how to use the electronic monitors. That is life. Before
that they used something else. Those days are gone. Now it is monitors. Like
it or not. It may be dangerous to assume that you dont want the new technology,
cause the old technology doesnt exist anymore. The previous generation was 
monitored too, but in a different way. 
>> 
Laura Floom
From: nol2105@dsacg2.dsac.dla.mil (Robert E. Zabloudil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lefthanded Items
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:19:28 GMT
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus

In article <1992Jul28.222516.4135@beaver.cs.washington.edu> salisbur@chilliwack.cs.washington.edu (Mike Salisbury) writes:
>In article <16832C79C.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>|> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
>|> All of you people with lefties - let them learn to write properly!!!  Find
>|> out how to teach them.  Don't make them learn as if they were right handed!!!
>|> I cringe every time I see a lefty doing contortions in order to write.  It just
>|> is not necessary.
>
>I agree completely with Teresa on this point.  I am lefthanded as well and was 
>originally taught incorrectly.  It bothers me to see such a high percentage of
>left-handers who write basically upside-down with their hand wrapped all the way
>around the top of the point of the pencil and over to the right in order to be
>able to drag the pencil properly.  It just seems so inefficient.  It's like 
>forcing somebody to ride a bicycle with their hands on the wrong handlebars.
>
I can't complain about being "abused" by my first-grade teacher over writing
left handed.  However, her instructions were along the lines of:  
right-handers, put your paper so, hold your penci thus, etc.; left-handers,
look at the picture on page 2 and figure it out yourselves.

I too have seen some horrible penmanship and writing methods by lefties:
upside down, sideways, Captain Hook, etc.  I do well, but I don't mirror the
way righties do it; I've had years of snudges on the outside edge of my
left hand from dragging thru the pencil lead.

On the positive side:  I decided one time that if I'm writing with the opposite
hand, I should write in the opposite direction.  It was lots of fun, although
the teachers tend to discourage it on assignments 8^) .  Little did I know at
the time that Leonardo da Vinci did it too!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:56:29 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birth interventions--Vital Stats.


Alan, I tried to e-mail this, but it came back.

Regarding the vital statistics.  Under the "official" guidelines,
stillbirths are not considered "births" but rather late fetal deaths.  There
is some confusion, in my mind at least, about whether they receive a
birth certificate.  The info on interventions was recently added to the
birth certificate--1989--and is the source for the figures I gave.  So, no
birth certificate, no info.

There is also a lot of info on particular complications, but I wasn't sure
that all of the pregnant mothers would want to read those facts.  I could
find gross rates of stillbirth, and deaths by cause for live births, but not
for stillbirths.  Now that my interest is piqued, though, I will dig a
little further.  After all, what else do academics do in the summer?

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klf@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (karen.l.fenton)
Subject: Re: Educational funding (was Hillary Clinton)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:32:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Summary: nonsense

In article <00712118388@elgamy.sccsi.com>, elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
> 
> It is misleading to compare the $4500/student spent in Kansas to the
> $8K/student spent in New Jersey. Everybody knows that most of the money
> spent in New Jersey goes straight into the coffers of corrupt government
> officials etc., anyhow :-(. 
> 

BULL and double bull!!!

Eric, I thought we had got you past these idiotic generalizations!

The high per pupil costs in NJ are a direct result of the state's
constitutional educational provision for each child according
to his/her need and regardless of cost.
Simply put, the local board of education is *REQUIRED* to provide and
pay for any and ALL educational needs of every child from birth to age 
twenty-one. All of it. Every kid. Every problem from autism to deafness,
from cerebral palsy to socioeconomically disadvantaged, from physically
handicapped to emotionally impaired.
That's one of the drivers of the high cost. Another factor is 
the cost of living in NJ which drives up the cost of everything 
from heat to water to crayons.

And there's one more: read on.......

> I would agree that teacher salaries were high enough, if we could only get
> enough science and math and special education teachers. Unfortunately,
> we're drowning in history and English teachers, yet we pay all of them the
> same wage no matter what subject they teach. It's insane. Logic says that
> getting a good math type to teach math instead of go into computer science
> means paying this guy (typically) the amount of money he'd make in computer
> science (30K to start, 50-60K/year with ten years experience). Logic says
> that getting a good English type to teach English would only require the
> same salary as a fast food restaurant manager would get (which is the only
> other thing you can do with an English degree :-). My starting salary is
> $21K/year. This is the same starting salary as everybody entering the
> teaching profession.
> 

Well come on up to NJ, Eric and start with us as a *brand new, 
inexperienced teacher - straight out of teacher college* at a salary
of $32,600. Tack on a benefits package that is about $8k and maybe
you'll begin to reassess your views. Actually, we're doing what the
nation claims it wants - putting our money into teacher's and
children. Some reward, huh? damed if you do and damned if you don't.

As for differentiating subject specialists pay...talk to the
NEA. We'd do it in a minute if the union would allow it.

K. Fenton
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Twelve yr. old caught stealing women's underwear!
Keywords: 12 yr. old caught stealing women's underwear
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:56:48 GMT

In article <skipa.712375594@milton> skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip Albertson) writes:
>If your 12 yr. old boy was caught stealing women's underwear
>at a department store, what would you do?

Post it on the net as "Cute things they do".

Twelve is definately in that age when "daring to do something"
can pressure someone to do deeds they normally wouldn't
do.
Was he alone?

I would do "the usual" lecture and punishment for stealing. I
wouldn't dwell on the fact it was womens underwear since
that might embarrass him much more than necessary.

Mike N.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Little Train That Could... He or She??
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:06:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <1992Jul27.190354.10209@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV (Duane Beach) writes:
|> I remember the story, _The Little Train That Could_, from my childhood and
|> recall that the train was a male figure.  The Putnam Press version I now read
|> to my 3 year old uses a female "little train".  Has the story been "updated"?
|> 
|> The book's cover says it is the original version, but then goes on to say, 
|> "as retold by Watty Piper".  If it's the original version, why REtell it?

Does it really matter what gender the train is?  Is it pertinent to
the story?  If it really bothers you I suppose you could change all of
the "she"s to "he"s when you read it.  I often switch the genders in
stories from one reading to the next.  There seems to be a
preponderance of male protagonists in children's stories.

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
     "Faith:  not *wanting* to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 15:10:01 EDT
From: <34LI6RE@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Son wants a catcher's mitt

Help!  Does anyone in netland have a used catcher's mitt (adult)
that they no longer use and would like to sell?  My son just turned
8, and has birthday money burning a huge hole in his pocket!  He
cannot afford the new prices, which are running $60-$100 in our area.
I've tried rec.sports.baseball, misc. wanted and misc.forsale, but have
had no responses.  He played various positions this season in Farm League,
and catcher was his favorite.  He figures he'd be really good if he had
a catcher's mitt to practice with.


Thanks.

Holly Whitehead
Central Michigan University
e-mail to 34li6re@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Ear infection alternatives?
Followup-To: misc.kids
Date: 24 Jul 1992 16:45:06 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22



My son David (almost 6 months) had his first cold last week, and
now has his first ear infection. The doctor prescribed
ampicillin. I've read the FAQ, but I wanted to ask people about
alternatives to these antibiotics. I'm not sure I could bring
myself not to use them, since my sister had a mastoidectomy at
age 3 (with resultant hearing loss) and my husband has a hearing
loss that he thinks is linked to many ear infections as a child.
(BTW, we adopted David, so if there's any hereditary component to
these things, that's not a concern.)  But have people tried other
treatments?

David's babysitter just told me that he will have massive
diarrhea, and a bad diaper rash as a result of the antibiotics.
Is this unavoidable? She also said we should avoid feeding him
green vegetables and carrots, and stick with sweet potatoes. This
seems wrong to me --- I think the green vegetables don't bind him
up so much, and the orange ones loosen his stools. What's the
right thing to do here? How about fluid intake? The FAQ mentions
yogurt, which I will continue giving him.

Lindsay Schachinger
lindsay@lbl.gov
From: fcaggian@rentec.com (Frank Caggiano)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:00:38 GMT
Organization: Renaissance Technologies Corp., Setauket, NY.

In article <17001@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>And before you disagree, let me point out the numerous older religions
>that condoned, or even demanded, infanticide.  

Ok, point out these 'numerous older religions that condoned or 
even demanded infanticide'.

Thanks.
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Birth interventions--Vital Stats.
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:14:16

In article <92212.141615CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

   But, on my way I ran across an interesting table on birth
The following rates are for 1989, the latest available.  THe
   rates represent the use of a specified obstetric procedure per 1,000 live
   births.  All rates exclude Louisiana, Nebraska, and Oklahoma.


   Amniocentesis                   32.3
   Electronic Fetal Monitoring    684.4
   Induction of labor              90.4
   Stimulation of labor           109.1
   Tocolysis (***)                 16.0
   Ultrasound                     477.2 (excludes  Illinois)
   Illinois)

   *** What is this?  Anyone know??

   Chris Himes

A tocolytic drug is one that relaxes the uterus to stop contractions.
Two common ones are ritodrine and terbutaline.  If you have your
breech baby turned by an obstetrician, you'll probably be given
terbutaline so you don't go into labor on the spot.

I suspect that "Tocolysis" in this table refers to the practice of
giving ritodrine long term to women who go into premature labor.  I
hope that this statistic soon changes, because a study published
yesterday in the New England Journal of Medicine
study showed that ritodrine has a vanishingly small effect
on stopping premature labor.  Ritodrine has some nasty, occasionally
fatal side effects, so it certainly shouldn't be given if (as now
seems to be the case) it doesn't work.

-- Anne Paulson
anne@dolores.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Many thanks (was toxemia and induction)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 09:45:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 



I want to say thank you to all who responded to my frantic
call for help and let you know how things are going. It
is hard for me to respond to everyone individually since I
have limited time out of bed so I hope you all will
excuse the extra use of bandwidth! 

I realized, after reading your responses and reading up on
my own, that I wasn't taking the Toxemia as seriously as
I should have. I was raised as a Christian Scientist and 
I think that has had an adverse effect on how I view the
medical profession. I now realize that my doctor is 
doing her best job to keep me from going eclamptic and I
should have been taking her warnings more seriously. Actually,
I am glad that my doctor has been so frank with me about
all the complications and I consider myself (and Fish) to
be very lucky that nothing bad happened while I was taking
all sorts of chances (like flying to LA and back in one day).

Yesterday I thought my waters broke and called my doctor.
She had me go to Stanford to get checked out. It turned out
to be a false alarm (just a lot of discharge after being
in a prone position for 12 or so hours). Fortunately (or
unfortunately - depending on how you look at it), I was
treated to a couple of internal exams and I have started
to dialate. My body is starting to work on its own!

As for the blood pressure, at the hospital it was at the
lowest it has been in months! (116/65) I am spilling
only a trace of protein and the swelling is minimal. The
hardest thing now is trying to stay in bed, although I
am bored silly. Induction may still happen, but it may
be that my body starts things on its own (fingers crossed).
My doctor brought up the c-section option only as a last
resort if my body hadn't started on its own and the induction
didn't work. Hopefully, a c-section is even a more remote
chance than ever now.

Sorry this is so long winded - and again, thanks for your
wisdom and great support. I feel much calmer than I did
when I posted my original plea for help! You all are fantastic.

-Ali Perry
Fish's mom  
Posting from Alan's account.