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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Browns News - 1st qtr review - Steeler preview
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:31:06 GMT

cfh@cbnews.cb.att.com (chuck.himmelspach) writes:

>Don't quit your day job, Dave (if you even have one which I doubt) cause
>you sure as hell won't make any money with your prognosticating (that means
>picking winners of contests).
>Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Browns,
>Der Himmel

Actually prognosticte means 'to use present indications as a guide', or
'foreshadow' or 'portend'.

Seeing as how Pittsburgh had a better offense and defense going into the
game, I thinks Daves prognostication was fine... it was just incorrect! :)
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Strange Stats (IMHO)
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:52:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: PacBell.1992Oct14.225256.21592
Organization: Pacific * Bell

Something  strange/eerie is occurring, at least in my viewpoint, in
the current NFC "stats" (boy I hate stats!). :-) The most
eerie one is that Jerry Rice in not in the "Leading Pass
Receivers" list. Would you believe (yes I do) that Watters,
Rathman and Sherrard are on it. Another one is "Leading Scorers",
(Touchdowns) again Rice is no where to be found. Who do we find 
from the Niners camp?  Rathman!

It seems the opposing teams are really keying in on Rice and
I suspect that Young's inability to "read" and "find" Rice
has something to do with this anomaly.

Here's one. "Leading Rushers", we have Young! Yes, Young
the Niners QB!  A pleasant surprise, "Total Yards From Scrimmage",
has Watters as number 1. Surprising to me, considering all
the great names on the list. Watter's name as number one just
confirms my view that Watters will most likely surpass the
formidable Roger Craig in rushing yards in the near future.  
Of course, I won't mention that the 49ers lead in Offense.
 
Just food for thought.
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I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
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From: jfdintin@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH F DINTINO)
Subject: Pats no-huddle offense 
Originator: jfdintin@c00522-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jfdintin@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH F DINTINO)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:45:48 GMT


Has there been any talk in the New England area this week about the Patriots 
using a no-huddle offense more often?  It's the only way they can move the ball.
Granted, during the game it won't be against the prevent defense, but god, 
they're so pathetic(!), what have they got to lose?!  

(Watching their disgusting performances the last two weeks, I'm beginning to 
feel relieved they won't be shown here in the North Carolina region or on 
National TV the rest of the year). 

Joe (a diehard fan who is getting real sick and tired of dying)   
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From: cole@rtsg.mot.com (Timothy Cole)
Subject: Re: Packers starting QB - Majik or Favre
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:56:40 GMT

jn article <1992Oct13.161016.6126@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mhopper@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mark Hopper) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.125642.28411@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct12.204559.27576@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
Stuff deleted......................
>>Holmgren has already said that he "doesn't necessarily believe that
>>a starter does not lose his job due to injury".  I believe he will
>>also stick with Favre.  Holmgren's left little doubt that Favre is 
>>his quarterback of the future and Favre is already doing more with
>>the offense than Majkowski.
>>
>>
>>-Todd
>
>  If it ain't broken, don't fix it.  Farve has done an excellent job
>  at QB since Majik's injury.  I always thought that Majik was a good
>  QB but lately his confidence has been shaky.  Until Farve proves that
>  he is not capable of guiding the team I think he has earned the start.
>  Majik surely is feeling pressure and wants to prove he's worth what 
>  the Packers are paying him.  Tough decision, but I'd go with Farve.
>
>  MH  


From what I've read, Holmgren says as soon as Majik is healthy, he will
start.  This came from the Milwaukee Sentinal, I think Monday or Tuesday.

I havent read the paper today, does anyone know if Majik has practiced. or
will sometime soon?  I'm not a big Majik fan, but give the guy a chance, if
he can't perform up to Holmgrens level, I'm sure Mike won't hesitate to 
sit'em down and reinstate Favre as number one.

For now though, Holgren will give Don a chance to suceed or ?

My .02



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	Tim Cole
	Motorola Inc.
	Cellular Infrastructure Group.........GO PACKERS!
From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Preview, Pats vs. 9ers
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:36:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Huh.

Well , This week's game at Foxboro, MA. 
The hometeam Pats are 17 point underdogs to the 9ers!

Wow, talk about an insult. (not that it isn't deserved)

anyway, here's my prediction.

SF - 33
NE - 17

I think the line makers hit the head on the nail for this one....
and I would stay away from this bet.

comparison.

QB

Millen - would be average QB with a better OL, but thats not the case
         I've been watching Millen... and he stops looking at receivers
	 and starts watching pass rushers. This is BAD. He is only 
         successful on short passes, when given time.

Young -  A good QB, with a Good OL. need I say more?


Offense - PAts have scored 34 points this year and are 0 for first halves.
          eliminate a meaningless touchdown at the end of the last game, 
	  and the Pats have scored 27 points in 4 games for an average of
          less than a TD per game.

	- 9ers have a solid offense, not the best, but good.

Defense - The Pats play good at times, but play badly when it counts,
          especially, in the second half.

	- 9ers have a solid defense as well.

Special teams - Pats special teams are not too bad, but not great...
                I don't know about 9ers special teams, but assume they
                are good. The Pat's kicker is a dismal 0-2 for field
		goals this year, and has missed an extra point.

Some good news for Pat's fan (s?) is Vincent Brown is back... hopefully
he isn't too rusty. (back from a "jammed neck").

Patriots management staff is totally messed up.
Sam Jancovich is taking a shalacking from the press about 
his management of the team.

The Offensive line is frustrated, under pressure, and lacking
confidence. it gives up about 7 sacks a game.

The middle of the line is especially under heavy criticism,
with Chilton and Redding taking most of the flack, while
rookie Chung was benched for the second half of last week's game.

Right now, things are bad. If thing aren't shaken up, the team
will be staring at a donut season, which would be so bad, any
remaining fans might just totally give up. two "last in league" years
in three years really wipes out your fan pool.

Pats refuse to use free agency to build the team. They will use
the draft. Next year they need a WR and a pass rusher, and
perhaps another OL.

Two extremely important games for the Pats are the Colts and Browns.
They should be able to compete in these games... If they don't
They absolutely will go 0-16.

Still, I love to watch Fryar, Cook, and Millen in the 2 minute offense.

all the 9ers have to do is stop the Pats for the first quarter...
if they slack off and let the Pats gain some confidence, the Pats
might actually play better, like they did last year against good teams.
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: AFC-Daydreams
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:24:01 GMT

sh> Sivaram Hariharan, NFC woofer extraordinaire

sh> After seeing the Eagles perform, I ask, Is there any AFC-team which can
    take on the Eagles when it counts?

  Well, the Eagles still have to play the Chiefs, Raiders, and Seahawks. It's
  true that it's highly unlikely that the Eagles will lose to all three of
  these teams, but it's not 100% assured that the Eagles will win all 3 games.
  I'd bet that KC will offer the stiffest competition.

  Then again, is there an NFC team that can beat the Eagles? So far, none of
  them have, and that includes Dallas and New Orleans, neither of them wimpy.
  Perhaps Philly is the team with the mostest this year. We'll have to wait
  and see.

--
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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES REAl TEST coming up, KC, Skins, 'Boys on the road
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:19:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:

>In article <92179@netnews.upenn.edu>, sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
>> I am die-hard eagles fan, I think the true test for this eagles
>> team is the next 3 road games. I believe that a real test for any
>> team is to beat a strong team on the road. And that question will
>> be answered whe they take on KC,Washington, and dallas in the next 4 weeks.

>They play Phoenix in Philly between the 'Skins and 'Boyz games.

>> If they come back with 2 wins, i think this team is a very strong ,for real,
>> super bowl contender.

>I expect a split in the first two road games, probably a loss in KC only
>because they beat Dallas on Monday night and because Randall is on the SI
>cover again. IF they win 'em both, expect a bad game vs. the Cardinals.
>If they lose in Washington, I wouldn't want to be in a Cardinal uniform...:-)

   Although I am a big Eagles fan let's not forget how Phoenix has come
to the vet for the last 2 years in a row and beat the Eagles.  These are
the games that the Eagles should have won.  Tampa Bay last year was another
one.   THIS EAGLE FAN takes one week at a time!  Just my $.02.

BTW, I am attending the Phoenix/Philadelphia game on Oct. 25, hope 
I break the jinx, taking nothing away from the Cards!

Ken.
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: he says buffalo is STILL the better team
Keywords: FISH EAT BUFFALO BILLS!
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:02:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

>>please accept the defeat of the Bills by a Superior Miami TEAM. 
>>
>>someone

 >Objection your honor... Miami did play very well and they deserve the
 >win. But, personally, I don't think FISHES are any better than BILLS.
 >They were just very well prepared and Kelly had a bad day as well
 >as other players. It is not a news thatthe Bills have no secondaries,
 >and Dan and Keith and Paige virtually killed the scondaries. They looked
 >awful. 
 >
 >sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)

then what the hell do you mean by "better team"?  the bills aren't 
as well prepared, the quarterback and otheres did not play well,
the secondary is lousy, but THEY'RE STILL THE BETTER TEAM?  get real.

i am neither a dolphins fan nor a bills fan, and it was pretty clear to _me_
that miami was by far the better team.  what else are you going to consider
as evidence?  the man said "superior" and you better get used to hearing
that word until the rematch in florida, because the dolphins definitely
EARNED that adjective.

ok
dpm
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Eagles are overrated
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:53:34 GMT

>Yo!  Stop being such a jerk and a loser in one post.  Nobodythought that
>the Eagles would go undefeated.  
>
>En Pum Cho					
>University of Chicago Class of 1994
>math & economics major

You know, I remember an economics major from UChicago using the warped logic
that the Eagles must be a better team than the Cowboys because several Eagle
netters had talked about going 16-0, while no Cowboy netters had mentioned 
the possibility.

If that wasn't you, try asking around.

GT
Go Cowboys, and um, gggg...ah, go rr...eh, Go Redskins
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: OFF THE CUFF
Date: 8 Oct 1992 20:44:09 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <Bvs4CB.AsH@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder) writes:
>In article <BvrzuM.FA8@acsu.buffalo.edu> v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mr. Tinkertrain) writes:
>>--The Eagles' biggest challenge so far will come against the Chiefs in 
>>Arrowhead this Sunday (easily the best game of the week).  The Cowboys' DE had
>>more problems with Walker than the Chiefs' big boys will have.  Someone try to
>>tell me Charles Haley isn't a linebacker who would *like* to be a defensive 
>>end...
>OTOH, I don't see how the Chiefs are going to get ANY offense against the
>Eagles.  The Eagles are, after all, giving up 60 yards rushing per game so
>far, and Dave Krieg isnt the sort of quarterback who can sit under a heavy
>rush and dissect an opposing defense... B-)
> 
   To the contrary, I believe Krieg is an underrated QB. I think he's just the
   type of guy that could give Philly trouble. He seems to make a lot of big
   plays while he's running around looking like a chicken with his head cut
   off (in other words, confused). Krieg is capable of having a big game, and
   with an emotional win over Dallas Monday, Philly might have a letdown. Of
   course Marty Schottenheimer also has to wan't a win in the worst way after
   what Elway did to him. 

   Having said that, expect Krieg to throw 5 INTs as Philly wins 38-0.

   --salty

>>					---Chet Zeshonski
>
>Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu or tomscud@hadron.merit.edu


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From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs. Raiders
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:02:45 GMT

bohy6489@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>>Here is the Miami Dolphin schedule. Along side each game a have placed a number.
>>>1 - should have no problem winning, 2 - should win/could be close,
>>>D 14 LA Raiders       (1) 
>> 
>>    The Raiders on Monday night and Miami is going to win with no
>> problems? I don't think so.  The Raiders have the Dolphins number.
>> I cannot remember when the last time that the Dolphins beat the
>> Raiders in regular season.  The Raiders are always tough on
>> Monday night.  Hopefully, the Dolphins will do as you and look
>> past the Raiders, then the Raiders will go to Maimi and crush
>> the unexpecting Dolphans.
>> 

>I have little or nothing to back this up, and maybe someone can help me.  I
>seem to remember once when Miami played the Raiders (then Oakland) on Monday
>night a few years ago that Frank Gifford said the Raiders were the only team in
>the NFL with a winning record against the Dolphins (overall, that is).

>Anyone know if this is true or false?



As of Sept 91.....  RAiders were 14-2-1 vs Miami. First met in '66.

source: Raiders Gameday

- Plata y Negro

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Yo Buffaloids... no huddle this.
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From: johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:04:33 GMT
	<1992Oct7.194732.15731@PacBell.COM>
	<b7Tl03xoa11300@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>
	<1687E7FC9.ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

>
>Wait.... Denver has lost 27-10, 39-20, 42-10 and 52-10 in the SB. They have lost
>by a combined score of 160-50 or an average of 40-13...
>
>
>Minnesota on the other hand has lost  20-7, 24-3, 16-7, and 22-7.
>
>The Vikings SUper Bowl record is as follows:
>
>1969:     Lost 23-7 to the Chiefs
>1974:     Lost 24-7 to the Dolphins
>1975:     Lost 16-7 to the Steelers
>1977:     Lost 33-14 to the Raiders
>
>That still comes out roughly the same in the average score, but let's get the
>scores accurate.
 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh, brother.  i try to make it a rule never to pick nits about statistical
facts, incorrect names, or other errors, but i have to make an exception in
cases where the poster is making a point to say, "you did it wrong...do it
right" ... and then proceeds to foul up the corrected statistics!

whoever posted the first list:

	denver lost 27-10 to dallas
	denver lost 39-20 to new york giants
	denver lost 42-10 to washington
	denver lost 55-10 to san francisco

whoever posted the second list ... wherever did you get your information?

whoever posted the third list, minnesota lost 16-6 to pittsburgh and 32-14
to the raiders.  (could have been 16-7 and 37-14 if not for botched place
kicking.)

-johndoe
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Miami Dolphins #1
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I suppose that the Bills just had another bad day. Well they scored 3 pts.
Now that's some offense.

As for the Dolphins, can you say 5-0 and the only undefeated team in the NFL.
Of course they have a tough game against the Patriots coming up.:]

As for the game today, well they almost did what Philly did, lose. Much like
Philly the Dolphins were coming off a huge win and were due for a let down.
But, AGAIN, the defense wouldn't allow it. Marino had a off day, if that's
possible, he completed 50% of his passes and threw 0 TDS 0 Ints. He had
some pretty bad streaks during the game. Thanks to a revitalized running attack
and some big plays they came back to win.

I wouldn't bet on anyone but the Dolphins on winning the AFC East.

Miami Dolphins 5 - 0
Buffalo Bills  4 - 2 ( 2 losses against AFC opponents )

- Dolphins 14 - 2 AFC East Champs and their sixth Super Bowl. 
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From: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Updates - Scores
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) 

JP>Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
JP>From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
JP>Subject: Updates - Scores
JP>Message-ID: <1992Oct12.021924.26718@PacBell.COM>
JP>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:19:24 GMT

JP>FINAL SCORES: week 6
JP>Atlanta  17               Miami  21  *FINAL
JP>Philadelphia  17 Kansas City  24  *FINAL
JP>Phoenix  21               NY Giants  31  *FINAL
JP>San Francisco  24  New England  *FINAL  12
JP>Pittsburgh  9         Cleveland  17  *FINAL
JP>Seattle  0         Dallas  27  *FINAL
JP>Buffalo        3 LA     Raiders  20 * FINAL
JP>Houston        38       Cincinnati   24 * FINAL
JP>NY Jets  6           Indianapolis  3  * OT * FINAL
            ^-->------------------<---^
   If you are going to post'em, please get the scores correct.  Think
   this one went 6-3, Colts...I wish your score was the right one!  We
   Jets fans are in for another long year...

Take care,

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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Need Answers not Finger Pointing
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:32:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Oct8.213216.24896
 <1992Oct8.133607.9191@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1992Oct8.133607.9191@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:

> How about getting the secondary to tackle properly.

How about getting the whole defense to tackle properly.  A good many of
the missed tackles in the secondary are usually a result of missed
tackles at the line.  In the first half of the Chicago game, it seemed
like every other running play was stopped by Greg Jackson instead of a
lineman or LB.

>> Well, there always the thought of getting Ray HAndleys head on a platter

I already thought he was gutted and stuffed...he'd make a better cigar
store indian than a head coach...oh yeah, I did see him lose control in
the second half of the Raiders game...now, Ray, don't take it out on
the poor defenseless headset...how about slapping around Rod Rust for
trying to make old dogs learn new tricks!  Oh no!  Here I go, pointing
that damn finger!  Well, folks, the season is still young, but we gotta
be kickin' some serious butt soon or we'll end up having to endure a
season (and post season) of brazen chest thumping by Philly and Dallas
fans *eeeeyew!!*  By the way, anybody seen Washington HAH! (couldn't
resist...)  Bring on the Cards!!

-MC
From: ug9229@geovax.ed.ac.uk (Stu's Thoughts on the glorious game)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: QB ratings and RB stats ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:28:28 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

Could someone please post me the cumulative QB ratings for the league's
top 15 passers this season and also a list of the top 10 rushers.


                                         THANX
                                               S.G.
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