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From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 4 Oct 1992 11:43:43 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: latexo.cs.utexas.edu

In article <4OCT199209583805@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

> I too respect other peoples culture and opinions when they are worthy
> of respect.  I have been to Singapore and I didn't think much of it

I see your logic, your are the center of universe, you, and you alone shall
decide what is, and what is not right. You shall be the champion of YOUR
democracy. The last I checked, you did not invent the word democracy, and 
certainly much apt people have attempted it before, just ask Bush and
Clinton, I am absolutely convinced that their version of democracy differs.
    
> at all - it seemed to me to be a country in which people were unreasonably
> controlled and it is hardly a democracy, is it?

Why banned drugs when it can be argued as a source of personal happiness, and
persue of personal happiness IS gauranteed in your constitution. Or is it 
because the behavior differs from social norms ? What about liqour ? Was it
not banned before ? So, what is democracy, the right to divorce your parents ?
Get away with murder because of some techincality issues when a criminal brought
on trial ? Or despite of touting oneself as THE advance nation, child abuse
goes on everyday, or to quote NBC, one in every seven children ? Thanks, but
no thanks Mr. GodFry. You can have your party, just don't invite me.

It is bad enough when the pot calling the pan black, but this is almost laughable. 



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From: hykok@nyx.cs.du.edu (HY KOK)
Subject: SPM & STPM
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 01:00:50 GMT

cho@cm2fe1.cs.sandia.gov (Kah-Song Cho) writes:

>After the switch-over from SC/HSC to SPM/SPMT, there have been significant
>numbers of students getting straight A's every year.  Does anyone out there
>care to comment what's going on here?  Have the kids these days become
>smarter, or the passing criteria in these exams have been lowered? 

I guess they are not that smart except that they are book smart.  Students 
have practice test to practice before the exam and lots and lots of money
have been poured to tuition centers in hope for better grade.  I'm assuming
that at your time, those stuff are consider as luxuries, but at this present
time, this is a necessities.

                  Later,
                Hon-Yin dude.



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From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: USA: E. Timor at "The Discovery Channel" - 5: 00PM (EST)
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:37:53 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep28.223412.16771@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh) writes:

	[some stuff deleted]

>     From this first posting i will stated that i'm neither pro any side
> i'm just starting this discussion to get every body side. If you got your
> side of your story please post.
>
>
I have no story about the demonstration in East Timor, but I have something
interesting below (it was taken from the AOL BBS):

E.C. AND ASEAN SEEK CLOSER TIES DESPITE PORTUGUESE OPPOSITION
 
BRUSSELS (SEPT. 30) DPA - The European Community and Association 
of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) have promised to push ahead 
with plans for closer economic and political ties despite Portugal's 
decision to block talks for a new E.C.-Asean cooperation pact. 
 
At two days of meetings wrapped up Wednesday in Brussels, senior 
ASEAN and E.C. officials said they were determined to work together 
to promote bilateral trade, investments and scientific cooperation. 

Portuguese Foreign Minister Joao de Deus Pinheiro told the E.C. in 
July that he would only agree to negotiations for a new pact with 
ASEAN if Indonesia opened direct talks with Lisbon on the future of 
East Timor.


Oki Zakaria
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu
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From: chansze@ecf.toronto.edu (CHAN Sze Keong)
Subject: some economics question about malaysia
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:34:16 GMT


hi, just to further the last thread on salaries in Malaysia. i would
like to get some facts/opinions about the current/future state
of Malaysia's economy.

let me start, the salary one can get is important but just as
important, imho, is how long this salary level or the job will last.
i guess the answer is in the economic state of the country (hence this
discussion). what i want to know then is

1) how long will the boom in Malaysia going to last ? 
2) what is the govt doing to make things stay good as long as it can ? 
   - i mean low wages will not last forever or is it ?? 
   - if not, is the govt following Singapore and pouring $$ into 
     research,...etc ??

btw, i am not an economist, so use kiss.
i suppose others might be interested, please post replies instead
of email'ing me directly unless you really want to.

thanks for listening,
dennis

btw, kiss = keep it simple stanley :-)

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From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:53:58 GMT

Khemdut Purang (renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	i say CHOP THEIR WILLIES OFF 

Is that part of the hudah(spelling??) law?

I don't think chopping it off will solve the problem.  It will create more
problems due to leakage.  Have you thought of a simple method - tie rubber
bands?  You can try that out and see if it is effective and then give your
comments.

-WS
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh)
Subject: Re: scholarship: a joke ? ( new )
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:06:44 GMT

I, as a Malaysian, would like to ask,

a.  	how many of you can still remember Rukun Negara?
     There is one, saying that the wealth of the country is to be shared by all her
      people. This is trrue. BUT in what manner? Think about it.

b.   do people think the way you and I think?
      In many cases, especially when we are "arguing" or "debating", we seem to 
      have forgotten some people (in this case, the Malays, Indians and the other
      minorities in Malaysia are neglected), the arguments are therefore very 
      pin-pointing and one-sided. As a result, we, who argu, are to be considered 
      the "trouble" and "extreme" in some senses.

c.   do you love your country, Malaysia?
      Sure, I do. But, what happens if I say something "bad" about her? Am I a 
      so-called "Yes! outside; No! inside"?  If you are so faithful to your country,
      how do you show it to people? Are we, the Chinese I am saying here, doing
      the same thing the others do? If yes, why we are treated differently?

d.   what is the population of different races in Malaysia? I remember, the Chinese
      is 38% out of the total. Somehow, how many out of this huge number of are 
      granted for a scholarship? What is the quota here? If the government were not
      doing the fair things, how would you feel about it? And, furthermore, if you
      were one of the unfortunate group, how would you react? 

e.   have you ever sat down and listened to the students who are from East Malaysia?
     What chances they have of being accepted by the local universities? Remember!
     There is no u in Sabah & Sarawak. Are they going overseas for study willingly?
     If you were a Malay, what would you do about it? Do you think the government
     is doing the right thing? If yes, that should be only to you.

Lastly, I always blame myself for not knowing the Malays well enough. Perharps
some kind of misunderstandings are in between us? Perharps I am not old enough? 
I am only 20. Preharps I should be sent to study in a Malays school, since I was a kid?
There are many more ? that we are able to put to ourselves. However, is this a wise 
thing to do? Should we keep on blaming and questioning ourselves? What should we do?
Yes! WHAT SHOULD WE DO? Are we discussing here? Trying to promote 
understanding among each others, or to "attack/pin-point" people's arguments?

WHAT IS THE BRAIN FOR? 


HP.
Don't know how to love her!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: csmith@student.business.uwo.ca (chris smith)
Subject: BOL in SJI K.L. M'SIA. Anyone out there who know these ?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:49:50 GMT

Hi!  Anyone out there who is familiar with those initials
kindly reply. (BOL, SJI)
Especially those in M'sia and S'pore.
Anyone else in the rest of the world also welcomed to reply.
Till then, representing a small little group in Canada, US, and 
Australia,
signing off,
Bye for now. Hope to hear from someone soon. Please reply by e-mail
as it is hard to list through all the subject headings in this forum.
Thanks.

csmith@student.business.uwo.ca (chris smith)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: madsere@okys.infoserv.com (Rene Madsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Computer Contracts in S'pore (Was: Re: EE jobs in Singapore)
Summary: contracts singapore
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:39:56 GMT
Organization: Brackton Ltd. Luxembourg

In article <1992Sep19.142502.10036@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, kmurali2@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

[...]

> I am interested finding a job in S.pore. Please send your experiences and
> comments to the net.

So am I. The 'Freelance Informer' sometimes have adds for contracts
in S'pore, but whenever you talk to the agent, they are gone ... :-(

Does anyone know of agents specializing in contracts in Singaport or
SE-asia in general?

-Rene

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: bem30001@nusunix1.nus.sg (LEE CHEE HOE)
Subject: Test
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:27:28 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: S`pore top SEA in environmental control
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:05:52 GMT

In the pass few months I have read in various places on usenet
that Singaporean is not enviromentally conscious. I also 
remember reading a few years back and perhaps a year ago
that Singapore is gearing up to provide enviromental 
services for the region. I couldn`t respond as I don`t
have a source to back me up. Today infron of me I have something
that perhaps can shade some light into this topic.


Partially transcribed from the OST Sept 12, 1992

Singapore is number one in enviromental management in South-East
Asia.

An enviromental report on 12 Asian countries released on Wednesday 
said the Singapore Gorvenment was more successful than most in 
balancing the often conflicting demands of enviromental protection
and econonmic development. 



The 400-page report entitled Asia/Pacific and the Environment:
Investing in the Future, was also released in the other 11 countries--
Malysia, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Australia, India,
japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, taaiwan and China.


The US$8000 study was conducted by the Business International,
the research arm of The Economist, based on interviews with  
200 business leaders, gorventment officials, academicians and
representatives from other organisations in the countries surveyed.


Commissioned by corporate giant Du Pont and public relation firm
Burson-Marstellar, it identified challenges facing each country aand
suggested initiatives to tackle them.

The chapter on Singapore said: " It does not have Hong Kong's 
filthy harbor, the rubbish  strewn streets of Manila or the traffic
jams of Bangkok."



Disclaime
*******  Enough said... Opinions/statements are not mind though
typos are .




PS: The network at Chula is doing a very good public service.
    They even have popular news paper correspondents contributing
    regularly to the soc.culture.thai, at least during the election
    period.  I wonder why the Singapore network is not doing this. I
    hope when the Malaysia get on the Internet we can get direct wire
    news from NST.
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: scholarship: a joke ? ( was: UM )
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:56:52 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>	The problem as I see it is not a matter of policy, rather
>implementation. All my 3 youngest brothers and sisters only managed to get
>loans from Sabah foundation, not from JPA. They do not bother or know how
>to apply. Now the policy is not to give scholarship.

>Those of you in KL will be able to solve both problems by personally going
>there. Sabahans at least can apply to local scholarship/loan giving bodies,
>provided the timber revenue is still sufficient.

En. Othman, I hope you are not still living in the 'glorious past
era', of the 1970's. Secondly , please do not just based your experience
from Sabah & Sarawak only. In the 1980's I have to say that government
scholarships are under the control of JPA and are NOT advertised and
are NOT meant for non-BUMIs. Instead the JPA would go to the
residential schools to literally begging them to take up 
overseas scholarships. As for the other state schools they
have other ways to select the Bumis. Now I am NOT saying that
every qualified BUMI (ie. manage to get aplace in UNI's) would be
offered a scholarships. (otherwise the gov't would have gone
broke !). What I am saying is its is not a matter of whether you
apply or not ! What is there to apply for the non-bumi 's ? Then 
again I am not saying that 0.00% non-bumis being offered any
gov't scholarships. May .01% but even then most proably through
some 'connections'. As for the private scholarships advertised
like Bank Bumi, MTC, & some other foundations, the non-bumi's
have a better chance, but still extremely limited. 
But even then many of them are marked
for BUMI'S ONLY !!!!
In conclusion, 4A's or 5A's do not mean much anymore for
the non-BUMI's.They would still secure a place in local uni's
but not a scholarship from JBA even if you sleep outside the 
JBA office !!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:42:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.154247.27065@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
>
>
>	talking about toilet fines...
>
>	the real gross thing in singapore, i think
>	is all these parents encouraging their kids
>	to pee in the drains.

	I know, it's kinda strange sometimes when you think about what
these kids will grow up thinking.... :)

>	theres no way singapore will be like switzerland any time
>	soon with the whole population peeing in the streets.

The whole population? is that true? wow....


>	i say CHOP THEIR WILLIES OFF 

heh heh heh.... that would be some penalty huh? come on ... :) 

>
>kpurang

hank 
ongh@iastate.edu
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malay songs.
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:29:06 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <Bvnoyr.DG6@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.025958.26317@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
[munched]
>> 
>> Awww.....this would add up to audio piracy, no ???
>> 
>> ATAN
>> 
> Well, Mr. Tan, I guess I should have been more specific here aah?
> Those who follow the law strictly can ignore my mail. People who are
> interested in talking about music and doing me a favor can reply to me.

	Hey, this is a good start to a thread on copyright laws...  The way I
see it is this.  You bought a copy (let's presume original) and under the law,
you are allowed to make a backup copy of it, just in case yours got thrashed. 
If you didn't make a backup copy, but got your original trashed anyway, is it
morally/ethically/legally OK to get a copy of it from your friend?  Why do you
have to pay for another copy?  I know some of the larger software companies
will replace your disks free if you are a registered customer.  Does/should
this carry over to other industries?
	Does it work like this in any of the Asean countries?  I mean the
backup issue.  Never did see something like that in the papers.
	Ciao.

-Tai
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Where to test
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 18:13:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.122521.3504@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>Hiya,
>	If you have never posted to news before, and want to test your posting
>capabilities, please post to the *.test groups.  It is just as good a test,
>*AND* people will respond and tell you that your post reached their site.  I

While on the subject of new readers, I suggest that they follow the 
newsgroup for a week or two before posting to avoid asking something
that was just recently discussed or even being discussed.  I have seen
this often enough.

Anyone of you with disk-space and time to spare perhaps can maintain a
FAQ for this group. Perennial questions like networks/email addresses
in ASEAN are candidates for archival so is embassies/consulates
info/addresses. 

-Mann

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhkho@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Ho Hiang Kwee)
Subject: Re: Malaysia: Dates for Hari Raya and Chinese New Year?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:37:59 GMT

These are Singapore dates but should be the same as the M'sian ones
plus/minus 1 day.

Chinese New Year - 23 Jan 1993
Hari Raya Puasa - 25 March 1993

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Environment - Singapore
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:47:18 GMT

In article <2AC87E89.27693@news.service.uci.edu> cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>
>I hope ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk is not being upset by me.  I've been in the US
>for 3 years.  No doubt this country has lots of problems but the natural
>wonder never cease to amaze me.
>

Good thing god is not bias in endowing the world with wonders. US 
is not the only place where you can experience such thing.

>I've been to Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Denali, Prince Willian Sound,
>Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Zion, Death Valley .....It is
>hard to express the feeling of standing right at the bottom of a 
>granite cliff of 5000 ft tall, and those things has been around for
>million years.  To some of you I may sound wied.  But those stuff
>make me feel that man is relatively insignificant.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why insignificant?  To me the biological wonder of human
being is certainly a wonder and part of the grand scheme
of things in this universe. The very fact that you are able
to see and translate what you see to a satisfying feeling
is very significant. Wonders come in all sizes and form 
and is everywhere.

                    
>
>I know that we do have such things to offer in Malaysia.  But our
>people is still going thru the slow process of learning to 
>appreciate nature.  As long as this is not achieved, those places
>in Malaysia are better kept unpublicised and left for those die-hard
>travellers who are prepared to hike days through our rain forest to
>explore them.

A very strange argument. You mean Malaysians have to appreciate
nature  before they can let the world know the wonders and beautiful
the country posseses? In all segment of society we cannot expect
all to appreciate nature. Human beings are very varied. We cannot 
hence wait for all to master something to start or venture into
something exciting... you will be too old then 8). By the way 
the is a Malayan Nature Society in Malaysia that publishes books
on the floral and fauna of M'sia and do related researches...
the latest of such book is one on the fishes and coral reef in 
Malaysian water. 

PS: Wonder need not be natural too.  How many of the 
seven wonders in the world iare man made?


-Mann

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:45:36 GMT


In a previous article, shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu (shaik rizal) says:

>I'm happy over your article on Penang food. I am from Penang and believe
>me, Penang is definately the place for food. However the best mee goreng
>is still from a stall at Jones Lane. That old man has been selling since
>my dad was a little kid! he even uses woodfire instead of gas.Cayalah!

Aiyahhhh...how can I forget...his stall is directly opposite my 
old house-lah. Yes, velly good. But the "goreng" is better
than the "rebus", ya?

Have you seen the development in that area? It used to be an
area with cotton plants. No wonder the traffic jam in Penang sucks so bad
nowadays. Somethingn has got to be done.


ATAN

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