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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Sunbird a la 400ci)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:43:30 GMT
Distribution: tx
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In article <C0x70E.435@NeoSoft.com> rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally) writes:
>In article <exuptr.598.0@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>>Although I can see the viewpoint that this is a violation of personal 
>>rights, I believe that it can do more good than harm in high-risk areas (
>>like on Grenville Ave in Dallas).
>>
>>I'm for the preservation of individual rights, but I think these rights are 
>>abused a lot these days.  We should ask the question, "If you don't want to 
>>have screening, why not?  Are you afraid they will catch *you*?"

>        Abe Lincoln's annual message to Congress, 12/3/1861:
>        "No men living are more worthy to be trusted than those who
>toil up from poverty- none less inclined to take, or touch, aught
>which they have not honestly earned. 

Moving speech.  But I don't think we can say this applies to Biff in Daddy's 
Porsche, can we?

>Let them beware of surrendering
>a political power which they already possess, and which, if
>surrendered, will surely be used to close the door of advancement
>against such as they, and to fix new disabilities and burdens upon
>them, till all of liberty shall be lost."

Hmm, tell that to Slick Willie, when he comes grabbing at my paycheck.
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From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:52:08 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX

In article <1993Jan19.232339.17006@montagar.com> davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
>	Hell, cut out the middle man (the Fed), and let the rich spend, spend,
>spend on products that workers like us provide and put wages into our pockets.
>Joe Employee is more likely to see a cut from a dollar spent on a yacht, than
>from the luxury tax that was placed upon it.

No joke. More to the point, let's restore the incentive to get ahead. As it 
is, we have a very strange system of rewards. The harder you work, the more
you are punished for doing so.
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          *** My opinions are mine, not Western's. ***

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    fools despise wisdom and discipline."   - Proverbs 1:7 
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: Re: Texas $3.2 Billion Budget short fall
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:00:09 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

In article <C1H3Jr.2n8p@austin.ibm.com>, landy@austin.ibm.com (Landy Ligon) writes:
|> : >New Information:
|> : >----------------
|> : >Estimated cost for this program from information in the aricle, $100 *
|> : >each patient(3000) == $300,000,  * 12 months == $3,600,000
|> : >Maxey explains that this saves money because one stay in the hospital for
|> : >each of these patients for pneumocystis pneumonia is ~8500 * 3000 or is it
|> : >7800? Sounds like a good investment.....but, bottom line, is we're (you
|> : > [stuff deleted]
|> : 
|> : 	Their claim was that if the state drops the support of the medication,
|> : 	the cost of treating the dying patients in community hospitals will
|> : 	be more expensive and fall on local communities. This to me sounds
|> : 	like Austin is going to get burdened with some extra cost of the
|> : 	state budget cutting. (cause of the large gay community here)
|> : 
|> So are they saying that if we go ahead and spend the money for the medication
|> then we don't have to spend any more money on them because:
|> 1. they will never die?
|> 2. when they die they won't go to a community hospital?
|> 3. when they die they will have been able to work and save up enough money
|>    that they'll be able to pay for whatever treatment they need when they are
|>    dying?
|> 
	Very good points, I'll make sure and use those.

	I believe it's because the savings was a (typical) short-term
	savings, ie during the next two years. The people with HIV, would
	not be going into the hospital cause they'll still be on the 
	medication, some have been on it for YEARS one guy on the news
	had been on it for 5 years(your tax dollars at work). Here's a
	choice to make, is is better to spend the money on him or thousands 
	of Somalians: Pick One.

|> I'm also a bit confused about the 3.6 mil figure.  Why just 12 months?

	Also a good point, maybe I bring that up at one of the breakfast meets.
	
	-dewey
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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: equality of opportunity  (was: Re: State Income Tax)
Date: 24 Jan 93 04:47:36 GMT
 <1993Jan22.180741.18511@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1993Jan22.180741.18511@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

> Nobody is REQUIRED to attend universities.

I think I'll be more specific than Fred on this point.  At least half the
people attending universities in America should NOT be there at all.


                                                Jim Pritchett


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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: Re: Tobacco Profits Protection Act
Keywords: Ralph Nader, Doctors Ought to Care
Reply-To: dewey@sooner.ctci.com
Organization: CTC, Texas, Inc.
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:09:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.163850.21577@sooner.ctci.com>, dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman) writes:
|> 	From Austin American-Statesman, Jan 22, 1993
|> Doctors Ought to Care is blasting a products liability reform bill
|> as a sham intended to shield tobacco and alcohol manufacturers from
|> legal liability.
|> 	"This law would be little more that a 'Tobacco Profits Protection
|> Protection Act', " said Eric Solberg, executive director of the national 
|> health promotion group.
...
|> The measure also has been criticized by consumer advocate RALPH NADER. But
|> Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock has defended the bill as fair to business and consumers.
|> All 31 Senators have signed on as cosponsers of the measure.
|> 				###
|> Does anyone else smell a rat?
|> 
	Well, this Bill has popped out of Committee with the Committee
	reccomending the Senate vote for it.(AAS 1/27/93) An attempt
	by Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio to explicitly exclude
	cigarette companies from the new limits on liabilities would
	break "a delicately formed compromise." The compromise is
	between the Texas Trial Lawyers Association, Texas Civil Justice
	League and Jobs for Texas. Consumer groups, health organizations
	and organized labor were not included in the negotiations.

	Now is a good time to call your State Senator and voice your
	opinion about this Bill.
-- 
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: Re: Lt. Gov Bob Bullock remarks..
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:19:02 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

In article <1993Jan22.135746.3374@sooner.ctci.com>, dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman) writes:
|>      Official's "Joke" Spurs Uproar, Austin, Texas (AP)
|> 
|>    The lieutenant governor faced an uproar Thursday after he said a
|> state senator could get any legislation passed if she "cut her skirt
|> off about six inches and put on some high heels."

	From AAS 1-26-93,  
	Bullock regret 'teasing' remark detracted from budget concerns

	Summary: No apology, just a comment that he would no longer comment
		 on women's fashion. Both Governor Ann Richards and the
		 Senator he was joking about have said he was joking and
		 no apology is neccessary.

		 Sounds like no one is pissed, so why is this a problem?
		 It's not like Senator Packwood from Oregon. or is this just 
		 politics and they're support him to get something out of him?
	
	-dewey
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Newsgroups: tx.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: equality of opportunity  (was: Re: State Income Tax)
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:07:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.165341.15682@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>
>Education, however, we regard as more of a necessity.  And if you aren't
>getting one in the public schools, you should be able to get them in the
>private schools.

I think society would be a lot better off if we say that if you aren't
getting an education in the public schools, we should fix the bloody
public schools or let you change to one that's working.

>
>Well, you can't argue that "We shouldn't do X because we'd only do Y and
>Z which would ruin it."  Don't do Y and Z.  Just do X.

Sound like a good plan for fixing the public schools, to me.  If we
know what Y and Z are, why not just not do Y and Z in the public
schools and fix them?

>
>Do what they do, right now, for universities and federal financial aid.
>It's called accredidation.  You don't need a billion regulations.
>Sure, you end up with a few study-by-mail schools which are a fraud and
>a waste of taxpayer money, but that doesn't make all federal financial
>aid worthless.  

Nobody is REQUIRED to attend universities.



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Newsgroups: tx.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: moller@austin.ibm.com (Chris Moller)
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:38:47 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: moller@austin.ibm.com
Organization: As little as I can get away with.

In article <1993Jan22.143617.9437@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

[...]

> 
> >
> >Does the prohibition of the sale and possession of automatic firearms
> >work?  Perhaps legalizing these (possession, not commiting crimes with
> >them) might improve the attitude of our youth towards law enforcement 
> >and laws in general.
> 
> Uh, you can buy and sell automatic firearms all you like.  All you
> need is the license.

Well, not really...

> 
> -- 
> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
>  in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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> Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: The Media (was Re: Who's weakening the constitution?)
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:27:31 GMT
Distribution: usa,tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1847@airgun.wg.waii.com> miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114) writes:

>In article <1993Jan25.140241.2863@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>Ah, I see.  And here we missed it all this time.  Jim, and only Jim,
>>is correct and capable of seeing what's going on, and the rest of us
>>are only pitiful dupes.  Yes, it is the Divine Right of JIM. 

>While I don't agree with everything that Jim has been saying in this thread
>or the manner with which he has been carrying it, I must say that, IMHO, he
>is *not* saying what you said above. You are too quick, Fred, to try to
>show that followers of God are a haughty, arrogant bunch.

So just what do you think he WAS saying?  Hell, I don't care if he's a
Christian or a Druid, but when he starts telling me that HE knows the
truth about everything because of his religion and that makes him
automatically right, what do YOU call it?

I don't remark on the stupid things Jim says because he's a Christian.
I remark on them because he's an IDIOT.

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:48:51 GMT

In <1854@airgun.wg.waii.com> billc@airgun.wg.waii.com (Bill Curtis) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.053349.17311@europa.lonestar.org>, tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball) writes:
>> 
>> George Bush was just plain dumb to ask voters to READ MY LIPS.  You may
>> view Clinton as "Slick" for not doing the same thing.  I view it as a sign
>> of intelligence.  
>> 
>> As Clinton said in the debates:
>> 
>> "I'm not asking you to read my lips.  And I sure wouldn't want you to read
>> George Bush's lips."
>> 
>> "Slick Willie" == "Smart Willie"
>> 

>What have our liberal friends come to?  Isn't this the way one
>describes the used car salesman who misleads but technically doesn't
>lie?  

No, this is the way one describes someone who declines to make stupid
promises that he knows that he cannot and has no intention of keeping,
a la George Bush.

>Clinton has already broken several
>promises with hardly a week passed and there's more to be broken on the
>horizon as far at the eye can see.

You know, conservative extremists keep saying this, but when asked to
detail which ones they inevitably come up remarkably short.  They have
to stretch to things like "there is a rumor that they are talking
about" and other such things.  

>Now, if my eyes do not deceive me, we have evidence his followers are
>telling us that lying is good.  Deceit is smart. "Slick Willie" ==
>"Smart Willie".  What kind of Orwellian society has emerged?

Well, your eyes do deceive you, and you should be quite worried since
it is a willful deception on your part.

>The world is turning and I worry.

Be afraid.  Be VERY afraid.  ;-)

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: rex@iqsc.COM (Rex Black)
Subject: Re: Against the Grain: aka Jaws II
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:59:57 GMT
Keywords: Taxes, Fair Share, Cut the Fat

fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:
>>	* Charging state prison guards for their lunches as state teachers
>>		are required.(a copayment sort of) Savings: $25 Million over
>>		next two years.
>What are the locations of State Prisons like.  Are they located within
>driving distance of a 'Restaurant Row', the way most every other
>business is?  If not, then I think you have to keep providing them
>with food.  Seems unfair to put them in a work location where they
>have no choice but to eat in the cafeteria and then charge them when
>they do.  

Of course, it's well known that prison guards have no hands, and 
therefore can't _carry a lunchpail_ or anything like that.  ;-)
Do workers, in addition to having a _right_ to unpaid vacations 
(family leave) and state-sponsored health care (insurance), also 
have a right to variety in their mid-day meal?  

Rex
Newsgroups: tx.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: equality of opportunity  (was: Re: State Income Tax)
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:30:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.142207.1325@rpp386> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>
>Vouchers will have one of two outcomes - either the public system will fold
>because it fails to compete, or the public system will become on par with
>the private system.  Businesses which are not competitive do not succeed,
>they do not inovate, they don't do squat.  Vouchers will force public
>schools to compete, and competition is good.

And here we see the root of the problem some of us have with voucher
proponents; their fine disregard for the effect on THE STUDENTS of
"the public school system folding".  What about all those kids for
whom there are not seats in one of your nice, competitive private
school system as you suck money out of the public school system to
fund it?  Oh, silly me.  They don't matter.

Why is competition innately good?  There can be situations where it
isn't, you know.  

>>truth is that only something like 2% of the people would take advantage of 
>>school choice if it was offered.  Most people would rather their kids go to
>>a school that is close to home.
>
>Is there some study which proves this claim?  Everything that Curt Finch
>has ever posted on the subject of school choice flies in the face of this.

Besides, Curt agrees with John's position, and Mr. Haugh has always
had problems with the credibility of anyone who doesn't agree with
him. 

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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:04:46 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <C1F24n.C2x@austin.ibm.com> moller@austin.ibm.com (Chris Moller) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.143617.9437@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>[...]

>> 
>> >
>> >Does the prohibition of the sale and possession of automatic firearms
>> >work?  Perhaps legalizing these (possession, not commiting crimes with
>> >them) might improve the attitude of our youth towards law enforcement 
>> >and laws in general.
>> 
>> Uh, you can buy and sell automatic firearms all you like.  All you
>> need is the license.

>Well, not really...

When did they change it?  Used to be, all you needed was a special
Federal license (which they charged you an arm and a leg for) and you
could have automatic weapons.  What does it say now?

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: The Biased Media
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:30:20 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
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In article <1993Jan26.140248.10648@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|>                  Ok, your sitting conservative President got barely
|> 1/3 of all votes cast.  That has to be a new low for an incumbent.

Actually not.  Taft lost in 1912 with 25% of the popular vote.  Bush is
the *second* biggest incumbent trounce in U.S. history though.

--
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