From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Buchanan's speech
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:45:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <37004@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> pvanmeur@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.042314.2204@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco) writes:
>>pvanmeur@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs) writes:
>
>>>Might it be that Buchanan's speech was full of attacks against
>>>homosexuals, feminists, illegal immigrants, people of color, women
>>>in battle... You name it... Personal attacks on Hilary Clinton... I

>Sure there is a religious war going on in the USA. Exactly my point.
>Pat Buchanan is using his religiosu convictions to tell others how
>to behave and if they don't they are no true americans. Freedom is
>america, america is freedom he said. But what kind of freedom is
>this may I ask. A freedom limited by religious narrowmindedness, gay
>bashing, anti feminism, rascism ?

If by narrowmindedness you mean the belief that certain lifestyles are
wrong, then everyone will qualify for such a label, even those who are
dishonest and refuse to admit that some lifestyles are wrong.  
 
Buchannan does reject the gay lifestyle, and he could have done so in his
speech in a more eloquent manner, which is precisely the reason why he won't
get the nomination in 96 or even run.  

I would  venture that 90% of America is against feminism in its radical
sense.  No one in their sane and moral mind would ever be against equal pay.

Don't confuse Buchannan's cultural supremism with racism.  There is a big 
difference.  How could he be racist if he embraces black republicans, the
many that we have seen the past two convention days?  No, he thinks that
Western ideals (the good, the honest, the eternal) are what everyone in
America should strive after.  Sometimes he makes crude analogies, such as
the one about the English immigrants and the Zulu, but such arguments are
not against a people because of their race, but because of their culture. 
Besides, the American congress has had such restrictions on immagration for
about a century, precisely because we want skilled workers, not people who
may very likely live off of the government (which they could not have done
pre 30's and 60's anyway).

>Sure there is a war going on out
>there, it's a war trying to eliminate the same rights of freedom to
>anyone who thinks differently, behaves differently, looks
>differently. Differently measured by what is believed the Bible
>wants us to be. But isn't any interpretation of the word of god a
>hoax when it limits the freedom of others, when it stirs up hate
>against race, sexual preference ?

The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is wrong.  If others take  this as
an excuse to hate, then surely they are walking further in to the darkness. 
Hating people is never encouraged in the Bible;  although, hating particular
actions that people do is encouraged, for the simple reason that certain
actions are understood to go against the divine will.

>How can people use the bible to
>defend their viscious attacks on others ? Love and understanding for
>others is more important than judging them.

You are  right, but without making judgments, nothing can be called wrong. 
So, there has to be some judgments, it just happens that Biblical judgements
are quite piercing.  There is a difference between judgment within a group
of believers and  without, but that would take us down a path for another
time.

> In their own words,
>judgement should be left to only one person. Divisions are stirred
>up not dimished by Pat Buchana's attacks.
>Sincerely
>Pim van Meurs

Yup, Pat's speech was tough and stirring, exactly what he wanted.  He wants
to stir up divisions so radical  groups scream and holler on tv and the
American  people see who these  groups are.  And, what Buchannan (and
privately Bush) hopes for is that Clinton will make the grave error of
coming to the rescue of these infuriated groups.  Such will be the demise of
Clinton.  Although I don't think he is that dumb.

tk
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