HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Losen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Need advice on frame size
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:17:47 GMT
Reply-To: scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Losen)
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul21.030231.29690@tfs.com>, jeff@tfs.com (Jeff Houston)
writes:
|> In article <MOORE.92Jul14130458@defmacro.cs.utah.edu>
moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore) writes:
|> >
|> >Everyone has a theory about seat height and position. The new Davis
|> >Phinney / Connie Carpenter book has a slightly different
|> >recommendation on seat height (.88 to .91 of inseam length, I
think)
|> >and position (more forward than Greg's). In fact, they specifically
|> >criticize the LeMond position as being optimized for his mutant
|> >thighs.
|> 
|> Davis Phinney saying that Lemond has mutant thighs?  Well, he does
ride fast
|> but if you look at Davis Phinney he's the guy with mutant sized
thighs.

The Phinney/Carpenter recommendation would make sense if Lemond's
thighs were proportionally longer than average.  I don't think we are
talking about girth here.

--
Steve Losen                     scl@virginia.edu

University of Virginia Academic Computing Center
From: seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Tour de France (from l'Equipe):  Stage 20
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:28:54 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, France

The Tour de France
Stage 20 (Saturday, July 25)
Blois-Nanterre (222 km)

[from l'Equipe Monday, July 27]

Course:  without difficulty.  Weather hot and sunny, temperature 25-30
degrees.  Wind mostly favorable.  130 riders.

JAERMANN LAUNCHES THE BREAK

Nothing interesting happened for the first 140 km, with the peloton rolling 
together at a moderate pace.  Fidanza (Gatorade) won the sprint at Oucques 
(km 23),  in front of Aldanondo (Once) and Jalabert (Once) who rolled out
briefle in front the peloton at 13".  The first real attack came at Cady 
(km 144).  Jaermann (Ariostea) escaped.  He was soon joined by seven riders:  
Laurent (RMO), Den Bakker (PDM), De Clercq (Lotto), Dernies (Motorola), 
Krieger (Helvetia), Vanzella (GB-MG), and Uriarte (Banesto).  Their lead is
55" at km 155, but the work of Panasonic at the front of the peloton reduced 
the gap to 40" (km 158).  At that point Team Panasonic stopped their effort 
and the breakaway took to the open sea.

DE CLERCQ IS THE FASTEST

At La Queue-les-Yvelines (km 172), Holm (Tulip), and Van Slycke (Lotto)
left the peloton in counter-attack, 2' 50" behind the breakaway.  They could 
not reduce the gap, however, and at the sprint of Saint-Nom-la- Breteche 
(km 199), taken by De Clercq, the two chasers were at 3' 5" with the peloton 
farther behind at 5' 14".  Under the banner showing 15 km to go, the chasers 
are at 3' 10" with the peloton at 7' 10".  Dernies tries to give the slip to 
the other breakaway riders with 10 km remaining, but he is retaken.  No one 
attacked before the last kilometer.  Laurent attempts to surprise his 
adversaries at the 500 meter mark, but De Clercq takes his wake and easily 
motors by in the last meters to win the sprint, ahead of Vanzella.  Indurain 
maintains the Yellow Jersey;  Jalabert keeps the Green Jersey.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Le Vingtieme Etape
Blois-Nanterre (222 km)

1.  De Clercq P. (LOT)		 6h  3' 36"
2.  Vanzella F. (GBM)			 0"
3.  Laurent T. (RMO)			 0"
4.  Jaermann R. (ARI)			 0"
5.  Krieger D. (HEV)			 0"
6.  Uriarte Zuberto J. (BAN)		 0"
7.  Dernies M. (MOT)			 0"
8.  Den Bakker M. (PDM)			 0"
9.  Holm B. (Tulip)		     3' 49"
10. Van Slycke R. (LOT)		     3' 51"
11. Museeuw J. (LOT)		     7' 31"
12. Jalabert L. (ONC)		     7' 31"

... and the rest of the peloton.

General Classification 
(a l'issue de la 20eme etape)

1.  Indurain M. (BAN)           97h 20' 53"
2.  Chiappucci C. (CAR)              4' 35"
3.  Bugno G. (GAT)                  10' 49"
4.  Hampsten A. (MOT)               13' 40"
5.  Lino P. (RMO)                   14' 37"
6.  Delgado P. (BAN)                15' 16"
7.  Breukink E. (PDM)               18' 51"
8.  Perini G. (CAR)                 19' 16"
9.  Roche S. (CAR)                  20' 23"
10. Heppner J. (TEL)                25' 30"

...

21. Alcala R. (PDM)		    33' 20"
23. Fignon L. (GAT)                 41' 51"
43. Kelly S. (FES)		 1h 21' 37"
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From: stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu (Jim Stukas)
Subject: Re: Time for rec.bicycles.racer?
Reply-To: stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu (Jim Stukas)
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:07:37 GMT

In article <5575@ucru2.ucr.edu> mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:
In article <1992Jul21.142840.9110@meaddata.com> georged@meaddata.com  
(George Dibos) writes:
[munch]
>  May I suggest the following groups:
> 
> rec.bicycles.touring
> rec.bicycles.racing
> rec.bicycles.equipment
> rec.bicycles.advocacy
> rec.bicycles.rides
> rec.bicycles.legal
> 
> How do we get these in place?
> 
> 
   See the Call for Votes for rec.bicycles reorganization.
--
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:24:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.170648.234@cbnews.cb.att.com>
ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:
 
     [... my Silca comments deleted...]
>Hmmm...  the gasket in my valve chuck wore out after six months.  The
>gasket in the main barrel wore out in 1 year.  I replaced it, but the
>replacement doesn't work at all.  Add to that a guage that is off by
>15-20 PSI, and you can see that I'm not too impressed.
>
Mine is two years old. I ride every day, which means I use the pump about
evey two or three days. The leather pump washer is in perfect shape as is the
chuck. Go figure. The pump lives in my basement where it is cool and dry.
Might be a factor. I also use silicone oil for the pump. Doesn't attack either
leather or synthetics. As for accuracy, there is a lot of variability in all
the pumps out there. I don't think Silcas are much worse. Since I ride the same
tire all the time ( ;-) ) it's pretty easy to just note the proper mark on my
pump gauge to inflate to.               --mike
From: cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Results: Olympics, first day
Date: 27 Jul 1992 18:31:13 GMT
Organization: MD Anderson Cancer Center

Opening Day Results from the Houston Chronicle:

Men's Team Time Trial

Gold	   Germany          2:01:39
Silver  Italy            2:02:39
Bronze  France           2:05:25
4       Unified Team     2:05:34
5       Spain            2:06:11
6       Poland           2:06:34
7       Switzerland      2:06:35
8       Czechoslovakia   2:06:44
9       Netherlands      2:07:49
10      New Zealand      2:08:10
11      Norway           2:08:25
12      Australia        2:09:12
13      Canada           2:10:33
14      Britain          2:12:14
15      China            2:12:38
16      United States    2:13:35

ThatUs all my local paper has.
The only other info I have about the TTT is that
a member of the US team flatted and the rest of the
team waited for him.


WomenUs Road Race

Gold    Kathryn Watt, Australia    2:04:42
Silver  Jeannie Longo, France      2:05:02
Bronze  Minique knol, Netherlands    s.t.
4       Natalya Kistchuk, Unified T  s.t.
5       Monica Valvik, Norway        s.t.
6       Jeanne Golay, United States  s.t.
7       Katherine Shannon, Australia s.t.
8       Luzia Zberg, Switzerland     s.t.
9       Marie Holjer, Sweden         s.t.
10      Sally Zack, United States    s.t.
11      Karina Skibby, Denmark       s.t.
12      Alison Sydor, Canada         s.t.
13      Jacqui Uttien, Australia     s.t.
14      Aiga Zagorska, Lithuania     s.t.
15      Kristel Werckx, Belguim      s.t.
..
26      Inga Thompson, U.S.          s.t.

Once again that is all my local paper lists.
Note that Inga Thompson had a lone crash in the third lap 
(of a 5 lap race) and had to fight a damaged bike the rest 
of the race (also, her teammates did not help her back up 
to the pack, she had to time trial it back to the field).  
Jeanne Golay also went down (in the fourth lap) with several
others (sorry, I donUt know who else went down). I believe 
that crash group made their way back up to the field easily, 
together.
Also note that Kathryn Watt was a virtual international
unknown so the pack let her get away early (3rd lap I believe)
and then compounded that mistake by not chasing her until the 
last few kilometers because the Rbig gunsS were so busy 
watching each other that they apparently forgot about the 
Australian.
Congratulations on a very nice race.
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From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Summary: Meidai makes long lasting, inexpensive pump
Keywords: pump, good, buy, now
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:20:25 GMT

Well, I might as well throw in my two cents on this one.

I have a Meidai pump purchased in a shop about six years ago.  I don't use
it as much as I used to, but I have definitely gotten my money's worth.

(I should explain that I don't use it as much anymore simply because I 
don't inflate my tires as frequently.  I am a former believer in the
LORE that deflating the tires after a ride makes them last longer.)

I see that NASHBAR has a pump made by Meidai under the Nashbar label.
It looks exactly like mine, except for the graphic on the barrel.
The nice thing is that Nashbar's sale price is about $20.  If I felt
the need to replace mine, now is the time I would do it.

Mine has only needed an occasional bit of grease in the plunger to
keep a good seal.  I have used it for my bikes, many of my roommates
bikes, and taken it to club portage rides for use if necessary.
From: chuang@micro (Michael Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: LeMond is officially gone.
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:56:47 GMT

Ilana Stern (ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu) writes:

> I was peeved to see more column inches in today's _Boulder Daily Camera_
> devoted to Lemond's leaving France than to Hampsten's continued good
> performance.  I checked the by-line, thinking it must be a (national)
> wire report -- but no, it's a local columnist, who apparently doesn't
> know enough or think highly enough of our local boy to give him some
> coverage.  *Sigh*


Good lord, even in Boulder they have this problem ?  In today's
Boston Globe the TdF article by Susan Bickelhaupt (? I don't have
the article with byline at hand, sorry)  devotes more space to
a description of Otto Jacome's clothing than to Hampsten's
performance and general race results combined.  And Susan B. consistently
refers to Gilbert Duclos-Lasalle as "Gilb Lasalle."  I may be wronging
the poor woman -- for all I know she's an ardent but sadly ignorant
cycling enthusiast -- but I get the impression that she drew the short
straw and was forced to cover that stupid bike race instead of writing
about something really important, like what fat-assed Wade Boggs is
sleeping with.  (For our non-US readers:  Wade Boggs is an overpaid 
member of the Boston RedSox baseball team.  In addition to his baseball
antics he was famous for getting sued by Margo Adams, a woman who claims
to have provided him with "wifely services" over the course of many
years.  Boggs was married to some other woman without taste in men at the
time, hence the notoriety.)

In the Globe's defense, at least they have Joe Concannon to write 
knowledgeably about track and field.  As for cycling, thanks to Brent 
Seales for the translations from the French press.

chuang@micro.ll.mit.edu
From: csolar@bcarhb6.bnr.ca (Christopher Solar)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bears (was Re.Dogs)
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:04:48 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

I was in the Banff-Jasper area a couple of months ago, and this is the local
wisdom that I picked up regarding bears:

a) make as much noise as possible. If bears hear you coming, they will likely
   try to avoid you. Some hikers carry bells on their packs as noisemakers, but
   I'm told that any bell loud enough will drive you and your friends crazy.
   Apparently the best noisemaker is you: shout and clap your hands (personally,
   I felt like a complete fool doing this, but I guess it beats the 
   alternatives :)

b) be extra cautious in areas where bears are likely to be, e.g. near a stream
   where there are berries. Keep in mind that the noise of running water will
   mask your approach.

c) don't hang around any animal carcasses you may encounter.

If you do actually encounter a bear:

a) don't try to run away. Your flight may provoke an instinctive chase response
   from the bear. Believe it or not, bears can outrun a racehorse over short
   distances. You'd better be a REALLY good sprinter on your MTB to pull this off.

b) back up slowly, talking to the bear in even, calm tones. Don't yell or throw
   anything, or you may end up with an attack.

c) some people say to curl up (protect chest, face, neck) and play dead. This is 
   risky at best, and only works with black bears and not grizzlies (or the 
   other way around).

d) if pursued, you can try to climb a tree, but be aware that the bear may very
   well follow you.

From what I can tell, the best bet is to be aware enough to avoid bears. If you get stuck in a face-off, it doesn't sound like there are a lot of really great options open to you. If all else fails, smear your body with salmon fat and try to play with the cubs. I hear the mother bears really go for that |(

-Chris.
From: bob@netcom.com (Robert Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:07:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Has anybody had any experience with a lithium based lubricant?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes)
Subject: Ottawa cycle groups
Summary: Looking for cycle groups in Ottawa
Keywords: cycle
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:15:42 GMT

Just want some info on the various bike groups in the
Ottawa area.  How large, types of rides, organization?


Stacy Janes       Bell-Northern Research,   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Standard disclaimers apply
email  contrct3@bnr.ca
       880431j@acadiau.ca
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Helmet Safety: any reliable evidence?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:18:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na

I wasn't aware that Canadians had any civil rights. :-)

Isn't this the country that has socialized medicine so that
Canadians have to come to the U.S. (and get all their money
taken) to get decent medical care?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Subject: Re: Tandems, again
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:03:38 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

christie@porgy.dfci.harvard.edu (Linda A. Christie) writes:
> 
> Which brings me to my question:
> 
> Can anyone recommend a tandem manufacturer suitable for 2 women who
> are about the same size and as stated above use a 52 cm frame in a
> single bike?  Maybe it was because it was a hybrid style tandem
> that it was too big?  This is already quite an expensive purchase,
> so the thought of spending even more for a custom frame makes me
> apprehensive.  It seems like it would be difficult to make a decision
> on what to buy if none that you could test ride would be the right size.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Linda  (christie@jimmy.harvard.edu)


      I believe that you can buy a 20"/18" mountain tandem from Performance
or Nashbar in the $1000 range. The price is low enough that you can spend a
little extra to change stems to get the fit just right. Also, you can always
send them back if you don't ride them. 

                                                               Arnie
-- 
Arnie Berger
arnie@hplsdvt
Telnet 590-5642
From: vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WANTED:  Phil Woods Spoke Machine
Summary: will pay
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:54:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Pennsylvania

Hello Folks,

Anyone out there have a Phil Woods spoke machine their not using and want
to sell?  A friend of mine is on the lookout for one.  

Reply to me, or phone him directly
	Lee Rogers
	215.735.7849

Jack Vinson			vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu     
When the justice system is for "just us" we are in trouble!
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:15:59 GMT

ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>Well, Greg Lemond has quit the Tour, and I for one will not miss him. I was
>getting a bit fed up with all his whinging about not feeling to good on one
>day, then saying he felt great the next (the day he and Chiapucci stole just
When was the last time you heard an interview with Roche or Chiapucci?  When
was the last time you read an article by them in a bike mag?  I think LeMond
has a pretty good idea of when it's not working and he should quit the race.
He has no need to fulfill your macho expectations.
-Terry
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From: corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ Corfman)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.151143.1904@aero.org>, meinel@aerospace.aero.org (Ed Meinel) writes:
> 
> What happened to teamwork in this race (except for the Australians -- way 
> to go!)? Each time a US rider went down, none of her teammates dropped 
> back to help. They were expected to ITT their way back to the peloton.

What teammates do you mean? The teams consisted of a whopping two riders.
With those numbers it would be totally stupid to drop back and aid your
only teammate. Better to go up front and control the race a bit.

At any rate, it's pretty hard to do anything but individual tactics with
only two riders per team.

The big question is, with only 58 riders, why can't teams be composed of
four riders, or at least three? I'm pretty sure the men's race will have
up to three riders per team.

Ciao,
-- 
Russell Corfman
AG Communication Systems; Phoenix, AZ
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From: cap+@CS.CMU.EDU (Chris Paris)
Subject: Re: Redneck alert...
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:06:46 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes:
> Take four peaces of wood and put a nail or two through each of them (user
> long nails). When you find the car, put one behind each wheel (if you know
> that the car has to move backwards when the owner want to go out
> bike-hinting) and then ride home again. The owner does not know who did
> it, but you know...

. . . and if the owner finds out, and if you ever ride the same route again,
you will be a dead man.

You can't train gravel to be polite to cyclists, and it's probably no more
likely that you'll be able to train these rednecks.

-- 
Chris Paris
cap+@cmu.edu (NeXT mail)
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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: TdF on ESPN
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:52:38 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


is someone encouraging barry tomkins, or is he a honing his pen for
political speech writing? last night he topped himself on the subject
of chiapucci/indurain comparison. can a sane mind concoct the metaphors
he was spewing forth?! 

if i could kick barry in his groin, i'd fell a lot better today.

aaron
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: repair kits
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:13:09 GMT

Tom Kunich writes:

> HEY EVERYONE!!! Jobst Brandt's list included the hated item -- SUNGLASSES.

> Now all we need to know is if he wears them while cycling
> or whether he wears them off of the bike to look cool
> (is that pronounced Koo-ell?)

I see your news feed is censored or you are using a selective filter to
interpret what you read.  I have no problem with sun glasses.  They have
been around for a long time for a good reason.  You may not ride your
bike in the mountains or in bright wintry weather in snow but you can
literally get blinded in high altitude sun in snow without them.  I have
had occasion to need them for this purpose and in the early days when the
roads in the Dolomites were unpaved they were as white as snow (Dolomite
stone is white).  Of course, sun glasses are on the list also for those
who need them for self assurance.

On that note wearing reflective visors when meeting other people is rude
and introducing yourself with hat and visor even more so.  The anonymity
of covering the face in public has always had social, or better,
antisocial implications.  It is not without reason that you refer to it as
"looking cool".  There is a little insecurity in everyone and the act of
hiding when in public is an expression of this whether conscious or not.

There was a time when women went grocery shopping in curlers.  Somehow we
have gotten over that one.  Then it was women revealing tennis clothing
with panties pulled high and cottage cheese cheeks exposed.  This seems
also to have passed.  I am afraid the latest rave is rainbow reflective
eyewear and da-glo bike shorts and jersey.  The masked biker comes from
the streets into the market.  I have even met such people (men and women)
with their precious bike in hand walking up and down the aisles at Safeway.
I'm not sure this reflects on the rest of us bicyclists but knowing that
such awkward people do this I also assume there are awkward people of other
persuasions who make stereotype judgments about others.  People have been
known to do this I believe.

Don't forget your sun glasses.  They're part of the uniform.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour de France (from l'Equipe):  Stage 19 (Time Trial)
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:06:16 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Jul25.183121.29734@leland.Stanford.EDU> djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly) writes:
   The first table shows each rider's place and times in seconds at the
   time checks along with their average speed to that point in km/hr
   (s_net) and the average speed since the previous time check in km/hr
   (s_int).

   Name	        dist place  time     s_net      s_int

   Indurain     64.0 (01)   4401    52.3517    54.0000
                                    ^^^^^^^
YOW! Did he really do 52.4 kph over 64km? Moser's hour record is 51.151!!!  In
fact all the speeds seem high. Were conditions especially favourable? (Downhill
or downwind?)

-s
--
Henri Desgrange, 1902: "Variable gears are only for people over forty-five.
Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles rather than by the
artifice of a derailleur? We are getting soft. Come on, fellows. Let's say that
the test was a fine demonstration---for our grandparents! As for me, give me a
fixed gear!"

  Shamim Mohamed / {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim / shamim@cs.arizona.edu
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