From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,soc.men,soc.women,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Reproductive freedom
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:39:02 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

You must have missed some postings.  The attached was in response to a man 
being able to force a woman to carry "his" fetus to term and simply compensate
her.  The basis for this was the concept of property rights.

Your issue is the "walking wallet" scenario where a woman can decide to carry
to term against the man's wishes, and he is still required to provide for the
child.

I have posted both here and in talk.abortion that I am totally in favor of
a man having the opportunity to "abort" his offspring, same as a woman, during
the same period that he could (or within some amount of time after he has been
INFORMED of the pregnancy or child).  There have been several proposals for 
doing so.

You can get a copy of Karl Denninger's proposal by sending mail to
"repro-request@ddsw1.mcs.com".  You can send supporting comments and letters
to "repro-support@ddsw1.mcs.com" - include a surface address as he intends
to send these to Clinton after the inaugeration.
   
 Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall

		"Creativity overcomes violence."
				John Bradshaw on "Homecoming"
 


In article <1992Dec12.035554.5385@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes...  (speaking to Herman Rubin)
>JK>         I am NOT anyone's PROPERTY.  A fetus is NOT a piece of PROPERTY.
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>It *is*, to the people who want to "dispose" of "it" because "it" is a mere
>"inconvenience".
>
>
>JK>         If a man wants to procreate, he should find a willing woman.  Tell
>JK>         you what, if the woman wants to abort and the man doesn't, why
>JK>         doesn't she just *compensate* him.  (sarcasm intended)
>
>Some sarcasm, Janice.  If the woman *doesn't* want to abort, and the man
>*does*, *HE COMPENSATES HER* for 18-24 YEARS, whether he wants to or not!
>
>While you speak of how you should be compensated *IF* you were to be forced
>to remain pregnant and *IF* you were to develop some chronic health problem
>afterwards (not *too* likely, I would venture, though I would not mind
>seeing some statistics), the fact is that you are NOT forced to remain
>pregnant.
>
>Perhaps we should START talking about how a MAN should be compensated, if
>while being FORCED to raise a child he does not want, he becomes unable to pay
>his rent or even feed himself!
>
>So indeed:
>
>            Tell you what, if the woman doesn't want to abort and the woman
>            doesn't, why doesn't he just *compensate* her?  (sarcasm intended)
>
>HE DOES!  And by choice or otherwise!
>
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