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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Money
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:19:04 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na
Summary: Doug Christie

In article <1992Nov6.191413.18245@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
> 
> According to UPI, Doug Christie and the Sonics are just not agreeing
> on anything.  He wanted $800K/yr, they offered him $500K.  Now they
> say they will only pay him the minimum $190K.  He says if so he'll
> just go back to school (and, I assume, wait for next year's draft).
> 
> So who's crazy here?
> Are the Warriors paying outrageously for Tolbert, or are the Sonics
> making an unreasonably low offer to Christie?
> 

I don't pretend to understand the details of this negotiation-gone-bad,
but I'll try to explain it...

Originally, this started out as a salary cap issue. The Sonics made
a take-it-or-leave-it offer of around 350K to Christie. They had
made a similar deal with Rich King (#14 overall) the previous year,
and had sent a lot of signals that this year wouldn't be any different.

However, Christie's agent pushed the Sonics to adjust some other
contracts to make more room for a higher offer to his client. The
Sonics surveyed their (very deep) roster, noted Christie's injured
knee, cited his draft position, and declined. 

At this point, I get a little confused by the chronology, but
all of the following happened:

1. The Sonics signed Gerald Paddio to a guaranteed contract,
   reducing the money available to Christie to 190K.

2. Christie missed one and possibly two scheduled meetings
   with George Karl.

3. Christie's agent asked the Sonics to apply for a salary 
   exemption of 500K. The Sonics say that they are not eligible 
   for an exemption.

IMHO, Doug Christie got and heeded some bad advice. He had the
misfortune (if you want to call it that) of being drafted by
the deepest team in the NBA, a team that was reluctant to 
make salary adjustments for someone who wouldn't play very much.
While the missed meetings with Karl undoubtedly aggravated the
situation, the Sonics have no doubt contributed to these
sour negotiations. 

Christie's agent is now calling on the
Sonics to trade Christie's rights, but with training camp
over and the season underway, it's unclear that he would
get a better deal from anyone else. He may become the first
player in (my) recent memory who reenters the draft.

All of which is a shame. Christie was a Seattle schoolboy,
and even settling for a lower desired contract would have
some sense, in terms of his local endorsement potential.
But my current guess is that he will not play for the 
Seattle Supersonics.

Paul


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From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Wolves vs Bucks (11/1)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:33:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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ok ok!

if anybody read my previous articles....

i said, if longley got more court time, he would produce, and he is

*tongue out* to all those who thought otherwise... and where was
laettner to be seen?

Laettner   21      1       10      0       0       5       1      2




that's where laetner was to be seen, 21 minutes, 1 of 10!!!, and 2
points?
well.. very poor, lets hope his rookie season woes dont continue







Longley    27      7       8       4       5       10      3      18


as you can see, some pretty impressive stats from the 218cm big man!, 7
of 8 feild goals, 18 points, 80% free throw %, 10 huge rebounds and 3
blocks to add to that.... 

hopefully he'll perform against some of the bigger nba teams now with
good centres like san antonio and new york!




comments....
From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rookies in first games
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:57:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Laettner did play well. However Owens had the better performance inthe match
up. Owens drove to the basket at will and shot a very high fg%, got many 
rebounds, and had a very good overall game. There is no way "Laettner ate
Owens up" in that game.
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Subject: Rik Smits
From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:03:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Keywords: Stiff? - or just a bad start?

What is the deal with Smits?  During the preseason I heard how he was
supposed to be a big part of the Pacer offense this year, and when they
traded Person this certainly seemed believable.  Now, a couple of games
into the regular season and what is he averaging?  Twenty minutes and
six points per game?

If anyone who follows the Pacers closely has some information on Smits
I'd appreciate it.  Is he playing low minutes due to a minor injury?
How did he look in the preseason?  Are these just a couple of games that
didn't go well, or is he really as useless as what he has shown so far?
Please respond soon so (if necessary) I can cut him from my fantasy league
team quickly and get someone who might actually help.

Bob Davis	rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu
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From: griffen@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas P. Graff)
Subject: Magic
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:25:06



I wish people would stop bothering about how the other basket players will not play with MAGIC BECAUSE HE HAS AIDS

STOP IT

RESPECT THE MAN






THOMAS P. GRAFF 
VESTERBRO 61 b
9000  Aalborg
Denmark
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
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Subject: Re: Suns Report: Blazers defeat Phoenix in road opener
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:15:41 GMT
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>	Actually, Terry Porter was a 1st round pick.  But, some other
>	notable non-1st rounders include:
>
   I still cringe every time I think that the Bucks could've had him, but
   picked Jerry "Ice" Reynolds instead. And this is a guy from Milwaukee
   South High School and UW-Stevens Point. It's a sin to miss a talent like
   that from your own back yard. Probably the biggest mistake Don Nelson ever
   made (although he wasn't the greatest drafter).

   --salty
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From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Blazers defeat Phoenix in road opener
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:59:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.104932.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>
>Both for sure....  One should realize that Knight, no matter how highly
>we praise him, was still a 2nd-rounder.  All-Star quality is distinctly
>lacking when you go that low (yes, Sedale Threatt lovers, he is one in
>a million, but he's at best an average starter).

Ah, can you say Jeff Hornecek, perhaps the best pure shooting guard in
the league - drafted (I think) #46.  Also, wasn't Porter taken in the
2nd round?  Big guys - yea, it's easy to tell a quality big guy at age
21, guards I'm not so sure about, however.  I mean, in his rookie year
Knight averaged >12 assists for a week KJ was out - he's got it in him.

>So far it looks like
>Negele's shot, speed, and court sense are all inferior to KJ's.  Pretty
>good for a backup's, though.  As for Westphal's coaching, I can't tell
>this early in the regular season, and I didn't watch the preseason.

He's supposed to be, KJ's as good as it gets.  Negele looks *LOST*,
like CBA material.  In my mind, the Suns are running no offensive plays
and Knights too inexperienced to create the way KJ can.  I don't know,
maybe this is good for him and the team in the long run, but it sure is
ugly to watch.

>So far it looks like Miller won't be
>a wasted pick, and once KJ gets back Phoenix will have one more outside
>shooter.

To keep throwing up bricks with Ainge, Majerle, and Knight.  I don't
know what happened to the Suns perimeter game.  When you add an inside
game the outside game isn't supposed to go to hell.  Maybe they're
missing on purpose to help develop that inside game (just a thought,
but it seems to be working).
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:58:23 MST
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Subject: Re: Trade Rumors ?
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
Keywords: Rodman, Charlotte, Detroit, Reid, Newman
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)

In article <1992Nov12.180457.10538@cbnews.cb.att.com> chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
>
>	I also heard a rumor that Danny Ferry of the Cavs was on the trading
>block!! Rumor has it that Cavs are looking for a good athletic supporter
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in exchange for Mr. Ferry. But I doubt if there will be any takers!!
>

Can't they just go to a local sporting-goods store and get one?  (Sorry,
it had to be said...)

Justin.
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: rookie all-star game.
Keywords: all-star . rookies
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:31:37 GMT

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:

>That blindfolded dunk last year was pretty weak (Ceballos), even more so
>because he won.  It would be incredibly exciting to see the game's stars
>go out there in a lineup and maybe trying the stuff they try when they want
>to have fun in practice.

Or better yet, have the players wear blindfolds during the All-Star game.
Now that would be really neat.

It's just a suggestion.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:05:22 MST
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Subject: Re: Suns Report: Phoenix dominates Jazz in Delta Center
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)

In article <1992Nov13.142456.12462@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.032510.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>
>>QUESTIONS I WANT ANSWERS TO:
>>
>>Does anyone in the NBA wear a mouthguard?
>
>Yes.  The only one I can think of for sure right now is BJ Armstrong.  He's
>always popping it out of his mouth when play stops.  I've seen other players
>wearing them, but I don't remember which ones.  I think Cliff Levingston
>wore one and put it inside his sock when he wasn't in the game.

I seem to remember the Sun's Knight wearing one.
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From: mfleming@mta.ca (Michael Fleming)
Subject: Re: Boxscores
Reply-To: mfleming@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:10:24 GMT

In article <BxD61p.Gpo@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cnahm@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Charles Nahm) writes:

>I'd like to ask a big favor of you all. Up here
>in Canada the only way for us to get complete
>daily boxscores is the USA Today, which never
>has the West Coast results. What I was hoping
>is that if anyone who gets any complete boxscores
>could either post, or send them to me by email,
>I would be very appreciative. Thanks in advance
>for any who might do this for me.
>
>Charles Nahm  
>
  I second that motion.  I live in a small town where I don't even have access
to USA Today.  So if anyone could post boxscores or e-mail them to me, I
would also be very appreciative.  Thanks!

						-Mike Fleming
						 MFLEMING@mta.ca
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bullets Roster
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:18:21 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

Well, its that time again for the Bullets to make those last
roster moves.

The team looks as follows:

Guards:
Michael Adams *
LaBradford Smith
Rex Chapman *
Brent Price 
Doug Overton

Forwards:
Harvey Grant *
Tom Gugliotta *
Larry Stewart
Buck Johnson
Don MaClean
Charles Jones

Centers:
Pervis Ellison *
Greg Foster

* - likely starter

That adds up to 13 players, which means that they must cut 
someone, or fake an injury like most teams do. Doug Overton
is the man on the bubble, since Price is supposedly healthy.
Overton apparently had a fantastic preseason shooting over
60%, and has good size at PG (6'3"). He made some unwise decisions
on breaks, but he is basically a rookie. Problem is that 
Price's contract is guaranteed for 2 years.

The Bullets look alright up front, but where the hell are they
gonna get the rebounding from? Pervis is pretty good, but still
undersized. There really hasn't been much word on Chapman.
Gugliotta had a decent preseason. 

If nothing else, the team is somewhat improved over last year,
and relatively young.

Ron
From: tessier@doctp.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rejuvenation of Byron Scott
Keywords: Lakers,Scott
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:15:30 GMT
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Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I haven't seen any of the Lakers' exhibition games this season, so I
don't know what Byron's game looks like these days, but I agree that
for the past few years we've been hearing about how Byron has worked
hard during the summer and is going to have a strong season.  Then the
regular season starts and it's the same old Byron, afraid to penetrate,
standing around on the perimeter - 30 feet from the basket.  I fully
expect the same thing this season.  The one consolation is that now
he has Anthony Peeler waiting in the wings to take his place.

Ken
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: UVa, Footnote to Champions (was Re: Box: Wolves 118 Dallas 104)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:28:53 GMT

In article <BxoA8L.Av5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>	Now there's a trivia question for U -- just what players havfe
>	played for both the Lakers and the Celtics?  I can only think
>	of a few...

     Hmmm...Don Nelson.  Bob McAdoo.  Kermit Washington.  And some
more (I had to cheat and peak in a book for these):  Ernie DiGregorio,
of all people.  Don Chaney.  And the immortal Mel Counts and Hank
Finkel!
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From: cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Cavs notes, the Ferry Chronicles
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:25:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers)
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Mark Price's backup, Terrell Brandon, is supposedly becoming a 
coveted property around the NBA.  In his second year, Brandon is
displaying more confidence running the point, and is playing much
more under control.  That said, Brandon can still get down the 
floor when he wants to as quickly as just about anyone in the league
(with perhaps the exception of Michael Adams).  Mark Price and
Brandon combined against the Bullets for 29 points and 16 assists.

Brandon's emergence also spells big trouble for streak shooting
guard John Battle, who is now firmly planted on the bench "battling"
for garbage minutes.  With seven guards on their roster, look for the
Cavs to deal Battle as soon as possible with Detroit being a distinct
possibility.  There is no doubt Battle can play -- but he doesn't
seem to be the right fit for the Cavs, and his recent complaining
is practically a guarantee that Wayne Embry and Lenny Wilkens
will ship him elsewhere.

Gerald Wilkins has fit in extremely well with the Cavs, and his
defensive intensity, coupled with his heighth and athleticism,
are making him the defensive stopper now against most teams #2 guard.
This is freeing up Craig Ehlo to free lance more offensively,
without worrying constantly about guarding the other team's premier
player all the time.  As a result, Ehlo is averaging about 18 per
game right now.

The Ferry Chronicles:  Danny bounced back from his 11 minute foul
out on Sunday to punish the Bullet's second teamers for 10 big points
and the same number of rebounds.  He also swatted away three shots,
and dished twice for assists.  All in all, it was, in the words of
one sportswriter, "a very Billy Paultz-like performance."  Sorry 
about the name-calling......
From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: K. McHale / Celtics
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:48:08 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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What's the latest word on McHale?

Last I heard, things didn't sound too good.

Does anyone have any idea what the starting lineup will be,
and the key subs?

- thanx!

COR
From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Cavs Win in DOUBLE OVERTIME
Date: 13 Nov 1992 12:58:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
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    Cavs defeated the Golden State Warriors in double overtime last
night at the Oakland Coliseum. Mark Price and John HOT ROD Williams
led a balance Cavs attack with 21 pts each. Larry Nance and Terrell
Brandon each had 18 pts a pieced. Final was 126-122,  Hardaway,
Owens and Mullin led the Warriors in scoring.

    This was a great game for the Cavs, they were down by as many
as 16 pts in the game, when a lineup of Brandon at point, Sanders
at 2 guard, Nance at small forward, Ferry at Power Forward, and
HOT ROD Williams at Center, led the Cavs 4th quarter comeback to
tie the game and send it into overtime. They did this with Price,
Daugherty,Wilkins and Ehlo(Who usually play during crunch time) on
the bench. The Depth the Cavs have this year is showing, I don't have
the stats with me, but the Bench scored at least half of the pts
tonight. Ferry and Brandon have really come on, and of course
HOT ROD Williams and Craig Ehlo are playing well too. GO CAVS!!!!

Alex
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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: MailMan
Date: 8 Nov 92 07:24:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <2{#@byu.edu> rosej@oregon.et.byu.edu (James Rose) writes:
>Apparently, what Karl Malone said did not really have a great effect
>on Magic's decision to retire.  I heard on the radio this morning that
>during play, Magic got a cut on his arm and that other players noticed
>this.  Magic said that the players that did had very fearful looks on
>their faces and that this was one of the major factors in his decision.
>I am aware of the NBA rule to stop play when any player has open cuts:
>maybe the refs hadn't noticed it yet.  I'm sure the players tried their
>hardest 
>get that he is HIV+ but seeing blood seems to have frightened a few.
>I am not completely sure of the original source of this quote ( It was
>my radio alarm clock and it was the first thing I heard this morning at
>6:30) but the radio announcers claim that Magic said it himself.
>
>
>					James

Perhaps I can shed a little light on this.  The following is
excerpted from an article by Larry Stewart in the 11/5/92 edition of
the _LA_Times_:

         Magic Johnson told ABC's Chris Wallace that
    suffering a cut on his right forearm in an exhibition
    game last Friday night contributed to his decision to
    re-retire...
         Johnson suffered the cut during a game against the
    Cleveland Cavaliers at Chapel Hill, N.C., and a timeout,
    as stipulated by NBA rules when any player is cut, was
    called immediately.
         Johnson was particularly shaken by the reaction to
    the incident.
         "That added to my decision of just saying, it's
    enough, enough," Johnson said.  "Because, you know, you
    could see the fear upon people's faces."
         Added Johnson: "Just saying, 'OK, is it all right?
    Is it all bandaged up?  Is it all right?  It's not
    leaking.'  You know, that whole thing...
         "You know, I was there at my hotel that night, I was
    thinking, I said between this and all the criticism, it's
    just too much.  It's going to happen all year long.
    Whether I get cut or somebody else.  Boom.  There's that
    panic.  There's that fear...."
         Regarding the comments by Karl Malone... Johnson
    said, "Well, it's like I'm hurt....  not at him, at the
    fact that I won't get a chance to play because of what
    he said, you understand."

Tony
From: scott@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Terry Cummings
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:09:10 GMT
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>Just got word that Willie is out for the season.  So it looks like Othick
>will stick.  Yay!  The forces of good (Othick) vs. the forces of evil
>(Tarkanian, Daniels, Green).

  More like the forces of a bench warmer (Othick) vs. the forces
  of those who will get lots of PT.  Doesn't the NBA stand for
  "No Babies Allowed" and Othick is certainly a Baby in this league.
  He will see very small minutes of PT behind Daniels, Del Negro, and
  Greg Sutton.  Look for Othick, he's the one at the end of the bench,
  near the exit to the locker rooms!












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From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Subject: Rookies in first games
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:56:03 GMT

Ok now the season is under way. I was wondering how all the Highly touted 
rookies look in the first few games. Granted the first few weeks mean nothing
but I am still curious to know how they are fairing in a little more detail
than just the box scores in the local paper.

						Dennis J.
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