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From: disabito@progress.COM (Paul Disabito)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:02:25 GMT

schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller) writes:

>George Foreman painstakingly worked his way through numerous opponents before
>taking on Holyfield. The logical path for Fischer is Spassky (piece of cake),
>Karpov (to qualify as a Contender), Anand (to earn a title shot), then 
>Kasparov (possibly after playing the loser of Timman-Short). While I still don't
>believe the comeback is real, even if it does happen Fischer has to earn the
>right to play Kasparov by demonstrating that he still has what it takes. My
>personal view is that Fischer would win each of these matches and then lose
>to Kasparov 10-6 under Fischer's rules.

>Eric Schille

Most people seem to give Kasparov the edge over Fischer, but my
question is why? Fischer is surely just as good at calculating
variations. What part of Kasparov's game is superior to
Fischer's? Does he have better postional understanding? Is he
better prepared in the openings (which indeed seems likely)? Or
is he just younger, which gives him greater stores of energy?

The two most plausible advantages for Kasparov are his opening
preparation and his age. But from what I've read about Fischer, he
never stopped studying chess, so it seems likely that he is well
prepared in the openings. I've also read that Fischer despises
Kasparov and studies his games closely. (I read here on the net 
that Fischer studied the Karpov-Kasparov matches for a year and
a half.) Perhaps Fischer is particularly well-prepared to face
Kasparov, of all his possible adversaries. Age, however, is a
factor that has to favor Kasparov, especially if the match was
to drag on for a long time. But is age alone enough to give
Kasparov a 10-6 lead?

I'm interested in hearing the reasons people have for choosing 
Kasparov over Fischer, but in particular I would like to hear
Eric Schiller's reasons for giving Kasparov a four-game lead.

--Paul DiSabito 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad (chess as art)
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.103633.3466@gdt.bath.ac.uk> ccsdgdc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Douglas Clark) writes:
>
>Sven Hauptfeld has defined the situation exactly. It is not very
>healthy for chess. SAnction-busting with a Serb millionaire putting
>up the money. It will be a great pity if the match takes place.
>The Serbs are the pariahs of Europe.

Just to add a little for the sake of justice:
1) It is not pariahs' fault that they are pariahs, so this comparison,
   promoted by the press, is rather unfortunate.
2) Neither are all Serbs guilty of their country's crimes, so I prefer
   to say that SERBIA (or "Yugoslavia", but that's confusing) is the
   criminal, not SERBS.

Sorry for posting tis on rec.games.chess, but I thought it was proper.

Sven

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Computers & chess ethics
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:05:33 GMT

> <stuff deleted>

>It then follows that programs on PCs aren't going to disrupt most events.
>But VERY STRONG programs like Deep Thought may, because they will affect
>prizes, and therefore be contoversial.  Simple solution here: arrange 
>tournaments for DT like the one last year in Germany - a round-robin of
>very strong players, with everyone invited agreeing to accept DT as one
>of the invitees.  Perhaps Bob Hyatt can discuss how many computers this
>problem might involve.
>
>Anyway, that's my $0.02!
>
>-Hal Bogner
> NM, IA, organizer
> owner, Chess Laboratories

10 years ago, I would have said two (Cray Blitz and Belle)

5 years ago I would have said three (Deep Thought [chiptest], HiTech and
Cray Blitz)

Today, I would probably include D-T, HiTech, C-B, Mephisto, the Chess
Machine, etc.

within 5 years I will probably have to include a couple of dozen,

within 20 years, I would have to include *all* computers (and maybe
start excluding humans???   :^)   )


In short, there are simply too many *good* programs out now.  any one
can grossly perturb the finishing order of a tournament if and only
if the machines are treated differently from the humans.  If we do
away with the "dont pair me against the machine" request, it is less
likely, but will still happen.  It may well be that the machines have
reached the level where *most* tournaments are inappropriate testing
grounds.  Personally, I want stronger opponents as we learn more from
losing than winning (we learn a lot from Deep Thought  :^)   )  I
don't have any intentions of entering a tournament where almost all of
the players are lower rated.... or, even worse, where *all* of the
players are lower....  nothing to gain and a lot of bad press to
gain.....

Bob
p
-- 
!Robert Hyatt                    Computer and Information Sciences   !
!hyatt@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham !
From: annan@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Bishop sac in KID
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:11:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <92196.172539U55342@uicvm.uic.edu>, U55342@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> 
> This is analysis on a line in the 6.Ng3 line of the King's Indian,
> which runs 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nge2 00 6.Ng3 e5
> 7.d5 Nbd7 8.Be2 a5.
> 
> Here, Howard Wachtel asked about the soundness of the sacrifice
> that comes up through 9.h4 h5 10.Bg5 Nc5 11.Bh5 gh 12.Nh5 with
> the idea of Qf3 and Rh3-g3.

Has anyone answered his question yet? I'd be interested in knowing if it is
sound. I don't think so, but I'm not good enough to place much faith in my
analysis.


James Annan
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.140621.23256@ima.isc.com> trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum) writes:
>Yugoslavia has always, at least since the age of Fischer, been a hotbed
>of chess popularity

"Yugoslavia" does not equal Yugoslavia. Do you know the basic relevant facts
such as which countries exist in the region?

>As for Yugoslav politics, UN sanctions, and so on, comparing that
>situation to the one in hitler's germany is unreasonable.  In today's
>Yugoslavia there is a violent battle going on between factions who
>want to conquer each other, this was not the case in hitler's germany.
>Today, most people look at the hitler as being clearly wrong.  In the
>Yugoslav case, it is not so easy to choose a side, though one who is
>not involved can easily say that fighting is wrong.

This is totally wrong. Learn the facts before you try to use them!

What calls itself "Yugoslavia" now is doing to other countries of former
Yugoslavia exactly the same thing that Nazi Germany did to other European
countries: invading their territories and ethnically "cleansing" their
population. 

>
>	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474

Sven Hauptfeld

Xref: sparky rec.games.chess:5685 soc.culture.yugoslavia:7417
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad (chess as art)
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:30:28
Organization: CSUA/UCB
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	<CUBAN.92Jul29040952@e40-008-5.mit.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: cuban@athena.mit.edu's message of 29 Jul 92 08:09:59 GMT


    As a great perpetrator of atrocities, Yugoslavia seems as undeserving
    as any country in the world of hosting the match.  Allowing the match
    to go forward there means that the sanctions against transacting
    business in Yugoslavia would be greatly weakened, and business brings
    the money needed to succesfully prosecute a war.  The connection seems
    quite clear to me.

I think I am missing something in this discussion about sanctions vs.
the match.  If the sanctions are in place, how is the match going to
bring money into Yugoslavia?  Fischer and Spassky are getting paid a
lot, but that is a flow of money OUT of Yugoslavia.  It could be that
the bank will make some money from Yugoslav spectators, tv, etc.
(i.e. cause some money to move around INSIDE Yugoslavia), but how
could sanctions prevent that kind of motion?  The bank may also make
some money from outside Yugoslavia later (no one expects the war or
the sanctions to last forever, I hope), but why is that so bad?
I don't see how the match helps prolong the war.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
	<1992Jul27.155804.22874@osf.org>
	<13132.2a74c200@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
	<SCHILLER.92Jul28172510@tira.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Jul29.160225.17104@progress.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:43:50 GMT

OK, on demand I present my reasons for preferring Kasparov in a
match with Fischer.

1. Both may be up to date on theory, but Kasparov has a better grasp
of the information processing software.

2. Better physical condition by far.

3. More match experience.

4. Fischer's time control would work to Kasparov's advantage, since
Kasparov could never fall into impossible time trouble.

Just my two dinars worth...

Eric
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:58:21 -0400 
From: Louis Blair <lb2e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is the Kings Gambit any good?
	<1992Jul24.210817.26448@cs.rulimburg.nl>

Lionel Tun writes:
>I read in a chess openings book that the Kings Gambit had
>been poplular in the last century, but refuted at the
>higher levels and had therefore gone out of fashion.
>However (the book continued) since it is now lesser known
>it can be used by the casual player (like me) for a bit
>of fun.  What is net.experience of the Kings Gambit in
>action and is it good to use because it is out of fashion?

I'm no expert, but from what I have read, I get the
impression that there are indeed problems for some
of the traditional lines.  For example, if you play
according to the suggestions in The King's Gambit
as White by Christiansen, Maser, and Raingruber,
you might want to give careful examimation to
this 1989 game: 1 e4 e5 2 f4 ef4 3 Nf3 g5 4 h4 g4 5 Ne5
Nf6 6 d4 d6 7 Nd3 Ne4 8 Bf4 Qe7 9 Qe2 Nc6 10 c3 Bf5
11 Nd2 0-0-0 12 0-0-0 Re8 13 Re1 Qe6 14 a3 Qa2
15 Qd1 h5 16 g3 Bg7 17 Rh2 Nc3 18 bc3 Qa3 19 Kc2 Bd4
20 Qa1 Nb4 0:1 or this 1984 game:  1 e4 e5 2 f4 ef 3 Nf3 g5
4 h4 g4 5 Ne5 Nf6 6 d4 d6 7 Nd3 Nxe4 8 Bxf4 Qe7
9 Qe2 Nc6 10 c3 Bf5 11 Nd2 0-0-0 12 0-0-0 Re8 13 Re1 h5
14 Nc4 Bh6 15 Qe3 Qe6 16 Bxh6 Qxh6 17 Qxh6 Rxh6
18 Ne3 Ng3 19 Nxf5 Rxe1+ 20 Nxe1 Nxf5 21 Bd3 Ng3
22 Rg1 f5 with advantage for Black.  Also, Eric Schiller
has recently published a book, Who's Afraid of the King's
Gambit with his own suggestions on how to play against
it.  Recently the King's Gambit was used in the users vs
mchess game and quite a few of the participants were
startled to discover that one of the main lines was 1 e4 e5
2 f4 ef 3 Nf3 d6 4 d4 g5 5 h4 g4 6 Ng1.  The books may
say that the position is okay for White, but you should
ask yourself if you would want to play it, or how you
would avoid it.  I'm still wondering what the correct
response to 6 ... f5 is.  Fischer and the Polgar sisters have
used the King's Gambit, but in all the games that I have
seen they used 1 e4 e5 2 f4 ef 3 Bc4.  Out of about 800
games in the 1988-1989 World Cup games, I was able
to find only one King's Gambit.  It was played by
Hjartarson who also used 1 e4 e5 2 f4 ef 3 Bc4 and
obtained a draw.

On the other hand, at the amateur level, your chances
of finding an opponent who is well prepared to play
against the King's Gambit are fairly small.  Of course,
a lot of your opponents will short circuit your plans
with Sicilians, Caro-Kanns, etc., but you have that
sort of problem no matter what you play.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Fischer and sanctions
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:53:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.221954.23178@tamsun.tamu.edu> sharring@cs.tamu.edu (Steven L Harrington) writes:
>
>I'm sure that all of those who are arguing against the Fischer-Spassky match's
>venue have good intentions, but they are terribly naive. 

Now WHO is being naive, those who think that this match is used as propaganda
for a criminal state, or those who think that chess happens somewhere outside
the real world and that chess players are not responsible for the political
consequences of their playing with political fire?

>| Steve Harrington ... Texas A&M University ... Comp. Sci. |

Sven Hauptfeld
From: lb2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Louis Blair)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Hanon Russell, where are you?
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:23:55 GMT
	<seOTrsa00VpN8J_14M@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Is something wrong with the distribution of his notes
again?  I haven't seen one for awhile.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ajpierce@med.unc.edu (Andrew Pierce)
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad?
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:38:37 GMT

In article <CUBAN.92Jul26043119@e40-008-9.mit.edu> cuban@athena.mit.edu (Federico A Garcia) writes:
>I'd like to know what Fischer plans to do after the match is over.  If
>he returns to the U.S., he probably faces arrest and/or large fines
>for violating the sanctions (I'm not sure what the appropriate
>penalties are).  Personally, I hope this is exactly what happens to
>him.  He's one of the greatest players in history, but this doesn't

   It would be nice if things like chess and the Olympics were above the
petty politcal bickering that seems to change from day to day.  Those who
love the game couldn't care less where the match is played.  I suggest
that those who would like to discuss the politics of the match do so
elsewhere than rec.games.chess.
     -Andy
ajpierce@med.unc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow)
Subject: Re: Nigeria in Olympiad?
Summary: 75-81
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution:     world
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:33:48 GMT

Some countries have changed names since I last studied Geography (60s), but:

63. S Africa  SAF  27.0  349.00  7.0  155.25  267.50
64. Egypt     EGY  26.5  397.50  6.0  162.25  282.50
66. Algeria   ALG  26.5  374.99  7.0  180.75  268.00
74. Angola    ANG  26.0  361.00  6.0  149.00  257.00
76. Nigeria   NIG  25.5  372.00  6.5  161.75  266.50
77. Morocco   MRC  25.5  366.50  6.5  153.75  265.50
83. Uganda    UGA  25.0  346.00  6.0  138.25  244.00
86. Botswana  BSW  24.5  349.50  5.5  127.00  249.50
89. Zimbabwe  ZIM  23.5  371.00  6.0  152.00  265.00

--Elliott
From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: More on Fischer-Spassky II
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:52:12 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Jul30.150116.18268@linus.mitre.org> jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz) writes:
>The first half of the match will be on Sveti Stefan, a resort island in
>Montenegro, on the southern Adriatic coast.  The rest of the nine-game
>series will be in Belgrade. 

I don't understand this.  I thought the idea was to play until someone
wins 10 games.  And if so, how can you have "half a match"?

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.EDU
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138            
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jhc@iris.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: Reshevsky-Boleslavsky,  Zurich 1953
Reply-To: jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:50:07 GMT

In article <155obkINNl90@agate.berkeley.edu> mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli) writes:
>Mark Zabel's comment on the Colle sent me searching unsuccessfully for the
>"sneaky" Smyslov game.  But Bronstein's book has so many great games,  that

Interesting game.  What is the name of the book?  Is it the "Zurich"
book that I people have mentioned?  Thanks.  --Jim
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ykyeung@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael)
Subject: Tal's file
Keywords: opening name
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:07:33 GMT

	For those reading about the Tal's games by 'ftp', anyone knows that opening
symobl means. Please explain to me.
	Thank for your help.



	Michael

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mathew@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Mathew Yeates)
Subject: quickie
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:00:56 GMT

This is my fifth game from the L.A. Open. By this time I was getting 
pretty sick of playing (if you can believe that) and was fortunate
to have this quickie. My 1603 rated opponent would prefer to remain 
anonymous, I'm sure

1. d4     Nf6
2. c4     c5
3. dc     Qa5
4. Nc3    Qc5
5. b3     g6
6. Bg2    Bg7
7. Nd5    Ne4 Discovery on b2 and threatens mate.
8. Nc7+   Kd8
9. e3     Bb2
10. Na8   Qb4+
11. Resigns   The queen is lost.

-Mathew
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mathew@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Mathew Yeates)
Subject: Re: The StoneWall Attack
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:31:28 GMT

<U55342@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>Hi! I noticed that there has been discussion on the Colle, and this
>has sparked a question in my mind about another opening that is considered
>(more or less) the mark of Novice-hood: The StoneWall Attack.

>My question: for defenders below Senior Master, if they don't fianchetto
>             their king-bishop, are they in as much risk of losing as when
>             they are on the black side of more popular openings like the
>             Orthodox lines of the Queen's Gambit, or say, the Nimzo_Indian.

>             (This would be useful info to have, for it means that the
>             the StoneWall can be a serious option if you happen to know
>             that your opponent doesn't like to kingside fianchetto.)

Solits gives a few defenses to the Stonewall, the kingside fianchetto
being one of the best. But there are other ideas for Black. Black
can try for a double Stonewall by trying to get in f5. Another
option is to avoid playing e6 until the Queen Bishop is developed.

My experience with the Stonewall is that for players under 1700  it
usually gives me a quick advantage. Unless they fianchetto when it
requires some work to get anything.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: why not baghdad (ches
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:36:07 GMT

In article <190.1402.uupcb@synapse.isis.org> lee.matheson@synapse.isis.org (Lee Matheson)  writes:
>
>Is everyone really certain that the UN sanctions forbid this match?
>I don't know the exact wording of the resolution implementing the
>sanctions.  Maybe the match is not covered by the sanctions.

Doing business or being involved in cultural or scientific exchange with 
so-called "Yugoslavia" is forbidden. Furthermore, "Yugoslavia" may not host
any international sports events.

Obviously, the match would violate all of the above.

>
>Anyway, ... my fingers are crossed that the match takes place.

Even if it is sponsored by murderers?

>
>Lee Matheson, Ottawa

Sven Hauptfeld
From: iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chess playing services online
Date: 21 Jul 1992 15:56:29 GMT
Organization: University of California
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ajax.ucop.edu

In article <92202.014415U36846@uicvm.uic.edu> <U36846@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Jerry,
>  Can you tell us a little more about Compuserve's USCF rated play?
>           Larry Keating
>

At the present time, USCF-rated play on CompuServe is done in a series of rated
quads. There is a USCF rep (Don Maddox) who "hangs out" in the CHESSFORUM. I
haven't played in one of these yet (too many games going in other places at the
present) but if I remember correctly there is a small fee which you call USCF
and arrange to pay. Once 4 players are available and have paid their fees, Don
notifies each player of his/her assignments and you begin play, posting your
moves in a public message area set up for USCF tournaments only.

I have a short document at home that describes the process. I'll bring it in
and post it so all can see.

I know that CompuServe is normally viewed as an expensive service, but if you
use an automated reader such as Navigator (Mac) or TAPCIS (PC) to pick up and
send your messages, or you write scripts for a telcom program, you can spend a
minimal amount of on-line time.

***********************************************************************
* Hey! If UC wanted me to speak for it - I'd have a different job!    *
*   Jerry Wilcox, IS&C, UC Office of the President, Oakland, CA       *
* iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu === iscjcw@uccvma.bitnet === CIS 72760,2401  *
***********************************************************************
From: CAPSA <capsa@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:42 PDT
Subject: Reshevsky Memorial & Ashley-Zso. P
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1451600016:000:932
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!capsa    Jul 25 13:42:00 1992


Following are the final standings of the Reshevsky Memorial
Tournament, held 13-24 July, in New York City:
 
Place Name                         Score
  1   GM Julio Granda-Zuniga        7.0
  2   GM Judit Polgar               6.5
3-4   GM Joel Benjamin              5.0
3-4   GM Lev Psakhis                5.0
5-7   GM Roman Dznindzichashvili    4.5
5-7   GM Zsuzsa Polgar              4.5
5-7   GM Patrick Wolff              4.5
8-9   IM Ilya Gurevich              3.5*
8-9   GM Michael Rohde              3.5*
 10   NM Eric Moskow                0.0
* I left when the players were in the second time control.  I     
  believe Gurevich was winning (but don't trust the word of an 1800 
  player).
 
In an associated match, FM Maurice Ashley and IM Zsofia Polgar
drew, as follows:
 
          W    B    W    B    W    B
Ashley    0    .5   1    1    .5   0
Polgar    1    .5   0    0    .5   1
          B    W    B    W    B    W