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From: mughal@hamlet.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: Constitution
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.215030.5713@prism.poly.edu>, ahussain@prism.poly.edu 
(Arshad Hussain) writes...
>>From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
>>Subject: Re: Constitutional Amendment
> 
>>>Mr. Shahid Masud no one gives a damn to this damn constitutional
>>>ammendment. Its the worlds sickest thing people have ever seen. Did ever
>>>constitutions deside other peoples religions ?
>>>not bloody constitutions!
> 
>>   No, Rana Sahib, it is not okay. I resent your language towards 
>>the constitution of Pakistan. You may have religious or personal difference 
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>>with someone and may discuss it at any length. 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>Mughal sahib, do you know what is PUNISHMENT of discussing, preaching,
>these things for him under the LAW? Up to 3 Years jail. This PUNISHMENT has
>constitutional BLESSING. 
> 
>Rana has been discriminated, humiliated,insulted throughout his life
> based on that sacred ammendment. 
		====================

	Methinks, you missed the point too. Even if one disagrees, one can still
air the disagreement in simple plain words rather then resorting to insults.
I can't help but feel contempt in your last sentence. As a general rule, I 
would expect no one will do anything which is not acceptable under the law 
of the land. The option to move somewhere else is always there, if one 
fiercely disagrees with everyone else around them.
> 
>>Pakistan Zindabad
> 
>   PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
___________________________________________________________________________
Asim M Mughal				
"I can't remember anything...
  can't even tell if its true or dream... " 
			- Metallica
[Standard Disclaimer]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: SYNDROME
Keywords: syndrome
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:59:27 GMT

assalam alaikum

just a thought!! 
since people have talked about Sind and Ceaser's Rome, therefore
finally i have figured out the history of this word SYNDROME.

say the following slowly in deep English (Grammarian) Accent:
 
definitely! i must say Charles this word is a link between the
two lost civilizations! i must agree Dear (Di! of course).

khuda hafiz.

Murad [darling for none love for all] Mirza.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: Nadeem ka Khat Khan kay javab mein
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:08:36 GMT

nadeem@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Nadeem Hussain) writes:

>mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:

>>nadeem wrote a khat earlier >Noor........, people can read it full of
>>incredible ghilazat for mr. khan urf phoond.  i was terribly shocked.
>>nadeem aapna nahin tou aapnay nam ka khial karo.

>>you (nadeem) can feed on the following:
>>nu addition to amer's old list.
>>"A terribly ghaleez accident at Stanford residences happened"
>>A paki who was invited to a BYOD party was saved in the nick of time.
>>The story is that nadeem went to this Bring Your Own Dal party, on
>...
>> etc., etc.


>A wonderful story ... mera nam to kahii salo se badnam he ... ab to khial
>rakhne ka koie faida nahee ... (by the way could somebody post the
>standard English for Urdu letters)

>I do cook a great dal though ... 

>Nadeem.

assalam alaikum

Good!good! i like dal, but meri dal gulti hi nahi (english - my lentils
soup is dangerous for light stomached).

khuda hafiz
Murad Mirza.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: purdah/burqa/veel(re: Yazmasterej)
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:38:21 GMT


Assalamoalaikum,


In article <mirza.702675326@mira.sce.carleton.ca> mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:


>Other thing is since I did not finish my article therefore continuing
>from where I left (refer to article burqa, women ...):
>
>Real power flows from brains and hearts which are hidden somewhere in
>the whole rigmarole, or else saaray smallchesters sirf riaya bun kar
>rehtay aur badshah manchester hotay.


I couldn't agree with you more.  Real power is the power of the intellect
and personality.  Brute strength doesn't count for nearly as much.  So
why has the lack of comparable brute strength in women (on the average,
not necessarily) as compared to men been held against them all these years?
If real power for men flows from "brains and hearts" for men, does it not
flow for women also?  Or is a woman just the embodiment of sex appeal 
without any real intellectual power who should be completely covered 
and kept in the house?

Khudahafiz

Yasmin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Re: Nadeem ka Khat Khan kay javab mein
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:57:09 GMT

In article <nadeem.703031208@deathstar> nadeem@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Nadeem Hussain) writes:
>mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
>>>A wonderful story ... mera nam to kahii salo se badnam he ... ab to khial
>>>rakhne ka koie faida nahee ... (by the way could somebody post the
>>>standard English for Urdu letters)
>
>>>I do cook a great dal though ... 
>
>>Good!good! i like dal, but meri dal gulti hi nahi (english - my lentils
>>soup is dangerous for light stomached).
>
>>khuda hafiz
>>Murad Mirza.
>
>Taqreeban aik ghanta pakna chaeea
>
>Nadeem.

Cook just 'masoor' or 'moong' kee dal, they takes short time!:-) as far as 
channay kee dal is concerned wait till you go home or visit some family
here!:-):-)

Have happy cooking!:-)

S.R.Raza.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: faseeh@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU ()
Subject: Re: Did this happen to you, too ?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:35:44 GMT

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Mr Farooq Butt writes:
	
	you can no longer use an MCI calling card to call Pakistan from Long
	Island, NY because of Mr. TharuR's pals who have been racking up
	"free" calls for the past few years.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

It reminds me of an incident about a year ago when a new neighbour wanted to
call someone in Mexico using a payphone near our place of residence. He was
connected to the operator who told him that he couldn't use his card from
any payphone but would be able to use it from a regular phone. He told me
of his dilemma and asked if he could use my phone. I had known him for
almost two years before he moved next door, so I didn't see any problem with
that and he was able to make the call charging it to his card.

The whole episode intrigued me to such an extent that I called an operator
and asked him the reason for it. His explanation was that there are certain 
countries on their list to which no calls can be made using calling cards.
The restriction sometimes applies to calls made from any area of the US and 
sometimes to certain areas only. Also, in some cases you can use the payphone
and in others you can't. The restrictions are based upon past incidents of
fraud.

Recently, there was a report on one of the TV networks which showed that
people obtain calling card numbers sometimes simply by observing other
people use their cards in a public place. There are other more "sophisticated"
methods of finding somebody's card number or tapping into a company switchboard.There are people for whom this is a means of livelihood, infact it is so
lucrative that some drug pushers are leaving their drug trade for this
line of 'business'. The numbers are then used to sell international calls to
whoever is interested. (It is, however, risky to use it as FBI has increased
surveillance of such scams and people could end up paying a lot more than they
bargained for, not to mention the fact that a fraud is a fraud whether there
is a danger of being caught or not). 

One company's phone bill showed calls made to countries such as Japan, Pakistan,
India and some Latin American countries although there were other names that
I missed. In the end, it is usually the phone company which ends up absorbing
the loss.

BTW, the above may not be news to some netters especially those who live
in cities like NY City, which seems to have the largest market for such
scams.

Faseeh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: m21757@mitre.org (G)
Subject: Re: My Beliefs by AHussain (QD)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:52:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.222538.24734@ccu.umanitoba.ca> 
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
> Just a word,
> I believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) was born without father.
> I agree that from a logical point of view it seems impossible and against
> laws of biological reproduction but then there are many things we can't
> believe believe in if we start bringing in physics and biology!!!


Look up "parthenogenesis"

G
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Ahmadis vs Non-Ahmadis
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:48:23 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <92100.103246BUTTS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> BUTTS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Sabaa Butt) writes:
>Truth, Goodness and Beauty are not the monopoly of any one individual or group.
>Sabaa.

	   Maybe, one Entity! 

	   Salman [doesn't expect most people to get this one] Azhar
-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Humble request for Ahmadyat discussion people
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:36:22 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London


First you people were asked not to discuss this topic, no one agrees, fine
as every one has right to discuss whatever he/she likes. Second you people
were told to take this discussion to soc.religous.islam, no one agrees, fine
as every one has right to discuss any thing related to Pakistan, and this
topic does relate to Pakistan.

But one thing on which there should be no objection is that atleast make
a same subject title for this discussion to be used by every one, this will do 
a big favor to those who dont have any interest in this discussion, and will
be able to put it in a KILL file.

As most of us are busy these days, after World cup, reading scp is
my only pastime, and for that i did'nt have much time. While trying
to go thrugh the articles quickly i usually skipped those also which 
i might enjoy reading.

Your Co-orporation will be appreciated.

S.R.Raza.

P.S. Is there any way that we can put article by a particlular person in 
a KILL FILE, guess whom i and many of us would like to put in it?? :-)
From: ndg0487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mr Controversial )
Subject: Re: Yet more excerpts
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:31:20 GMT

narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:

>In article <Idu8Q1C00VB=N8ylAV@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>>
>>Re: Muslim Situation in India
>>
>>I would like to point out that Mohammed Nejatullah Siddiqui, whose
>>credentials are : Professor of Economics in a university in Saudi
>>Arabia, is, as far as I know, an Indian. If you read closely, you
>>would see that he was formerly of Aligarh Muslim University. In
>>any case, he is no more responsible for what goes in Saudi Arabia
>>than you, dear reader, are for what goes on in the U.S. (if you
>>are not a citizen of the U.S. , that is.)
>>
>>To give you an idea of the contributors to this book, they include:
>>
>>Faculty from J.N.U., Aligarh Muslim University, Osmania University,
>>University of Delhi, S.V. College Ahmedabad, Burhania College, Bombay,
>>New College, Madras
>>
>>Vice-Chancellor, Kashmir Univ., Srinagar,
>>Pro-Vice Chancellor, Cochin Univ. of Science and Tech.
>>Former Superintendent Anthropologist, Anthropological Survey of India,
>>Calcutta, retd I.A.S officer, retd. Captain,
>>journal editors.
>>
>>***
>>
>>I would like to ask people like Anil Trivedi and Kuram T.
>>Narayana -- Which Muslims do you want to deal with, if not
>>these ? If these people are `communal-leftist-liberal' etc.,
>>then who is left ?
>>
>>Anil Trivedi wrote advice to the Muslims of India -- don't
>>deal with just the people you like, that's a mistake.
>>
>>Yet, the intense dislike and unwillingness to listen to
>>the authors I've posted here, is so intensely clear from
>>their posts !!!
>>
>>-arun gupta
>>ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu

>Frankly! I do not deal with muslims, just as I do not deal
>with Hindus. In my vocabulary, there is only one thing.
>A citizen of India. We do not care whether he is a muslim,
>a hindu, or a parsi, a christian, or a buddhist, which ever
>name you pick up. Communalization of a society makes a
>law and order problem into a political problem brought
>upon by vested communal political interests. In any roit,
>whether it is the muslim that is killed, or it is a hindu,
>my heart bleeds. I have no distinction in my mind between
>the two.



just testing. Please bear with me .
>...kt
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: My Beliefs;III
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:19:51 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: jamal@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Subject: Re: My beliefs; III

>In article <1992Apr3.171902.26119@prism.poly.edu> ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:
>>
>> Here are my beliefs regarding Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
>> 
>>5. He was NOT prophet. He was true believer of FINAL prophethood 
>>   of Muhammad(PBUH). 
>   
>Without going into too many details can you briefly tell us what
>are the bones of contention between the two sects of Ahmedis?  

 I have never read any book written by other group's scholars regarding
 'bones of contention'.
 It will not be wise for me to talk about what others believe. 

>What are the bases of your belief that the Mirza was not a prophet and
>why does the other sect claim something different?

 My belief is based on interpretation of Khaatum as
La Nabiyya Ba'di. No prophet after Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH):
neither new nor old.
Hazoor Maseeh-e Maud himself wrote about this issue and I have 
already posted excerpts from his books in reply to one of 
your questions. 
I'll be happy to do that again if you suggest.
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed S. Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re (was) bachis, (Is) who knows what it is, now! :)
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:19:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB











Adil, that was one hell of an analysis :) I think it always helps if
people follow a discussion from its inception rather than making hasty 
judgements about its uselessness. It would be rude to point out that hitting
the 'k' or 'n' on the keyboard would help Imrana to avoid the 'junk' simply 
because her input to the ongoing debate could have been useful, for the men on
SCP, they cannot assume how the women feel about the status quo. We merely speak
in the light of our experiences, and whatever we say is indeed useless unless 
the baajis and the aapas and the 'khateeN' verify our assumptions. 

And I see that our discussions has drifted into the realm of Sufi poetry :)
You ve got to love spontaneity on scp :)



Naveed[maiDa girya aah o fughan vee tooN] Memon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Subject: Prof. Iqbal Azeem, anyone.....a request
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:33:11 GMT

zakir abdi GR writes:
|> 
|> 	If someone need any Ghazal of Fiaz, Saleem kosar and Iqbal Azeem send me 
|> 	mail. I also have "kalam" (not complete) of Habib Jalib, Ahmed Faraz and
|> 	Mustafa Zedi.

	[by thye way all you guys who brought your books with you were
	 real smart.....all I brought with me was Samuelson's Economics,
	 .....in fact I even left behind the "chand tasaveer-i-butaaN"
	 aur "kuch haseenouN kay khatoot".....;-)  ]

	Thanks, Abedi Sahib, for correcting the Faiz nazm "aaj baazar meiN..."

	I have always been a great fan of Prof.  Iqbal Azeem and have been
	searching for his dewaan for the last five years without success.
	It seemed it was last printed in the seventies and was never printed 
	again. I shall be extremely indebted if you could tell me if you have 
	a copy, maybe I I could have it photocopied or something.

	Meanwhile, I am sure that SCP would be greatly enriched by Professor
	sahibs great poetry.  A few of his classic aashar that I remember are
	paish-e-khidmaat haiN


		aawara-gard-e-shehr ko pathar na maarna
		aadab aashna na sahi, aadmi tou hai
	
		Iqbal phir sunna hai kay aanay ko hai bahar
		yeh baat humm nay pehlay bhi, aksar, sunni tou hai


	ADIL [.....aab tou aankhouN meiN bhi damm nahiN hai
		        varna raahouN meiN tairee bichaatay.......] NAJAM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: UN Peace Plan and Afghan Mujahideen
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:41:47 GMT

mmasood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mohammed A Masood) writes:


>	WHY UN "PEACE" EFFORTS IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULD BE DENOUNCED

>	*********************************************************

>	United Nations has recently accelerated its efforts to bring
>"peace" to Afghanistan.  The question arises where were these efforts
>when the Afghan people were being killed through Napalm Bombs and the
>Machine Guns of the communist soldiers?  Can the peace be established
>on the charred bodies of 2M Afghans in the way UN is proposing it to
>be established?  Or, does the exterminator of 2M human human beings
>has a right to ask for peace?  Can we ever hope to abolish injustice
>in this way?

>	For those who remember WWII, would you have agreed to Hitler's
>call for peace or a share for the war criminals in the German
>Government when the Allied forces were just 30 miles away from Berlin?
>Wouldn't it seem to be the most absurd and outrageous idea to you?
>Would you have agreed to anything less than an unconditional
>surrender?  Would it have been justified for the League of Nations to
>promote peace at that point?

>	Or, would it have been justified for Nikoli Chousesko to talk
>about peace when his castle was under siege?  Would you, as a freedom
>loving individual, have granted his request for peace?  Do you find
>any mercy for such a criminal in your heart?  Would you have supported
>any such an effort by the UN?

>In a similar way, it is absurd for the UN to promote peace and a
>coexistence for communists at this point in Afghanistan.  The blood of
>2M Afgans is not so cheap.  The freedom fighters did not sacrifice 2M
>of their brethren to see themselves robbed of a victory in the name of
>peace.  

>It is time for every freedom loving person to denounce so-called
>"peace" efforts by UN.

assalam alaikum

it hurts, but what can we do? nothing! accept say a few words here and
there. just pray and ask for Allah's forgiveness, Allah is all Just and
Powerful he will listen.

and for people who will, i know say - keep on praying to Your Allah!!!,
i can just say that Allah knows all and beware of the DAY when justice
will be done!

Murad [afraid of the DAY] Mirza.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: purdah/burqa/veel(re: Yazmasterej)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:26:20 GMT

ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:


>Assalamoalaikum,


>In article <mirza.702675326@mira.sce.carleton.ca> mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:


>>Other thing is since I did not finish my article therefore continuing
>>from where I left (refer to article burqa, women ...):
>>
>>Real power flows from brains and hearts which are hidden somewhere in
>>the whole rigmarole, or else saaray smallchesters sirf riaya bun kar
>>rehtay aur badshah manchester hotay.


>I couldn't agree with you more.  Real power is the power of the intellect
>and personality.  Brute strength doesn't count for nearly as much.  So
>why has the lack of comparable brute strength in women (on the average,
>not necessarily) as compared to men been held against them all these years?
>If real power for men flows from "brains and hearts" for men, does it not
>flow for women also?  Or is a woman just the embodiment of sex appeal 
>without any real intellectual power who should be completely covered 
>and kept in the house?

>Khudahafiz

>Yasmin

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>*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *  "Only Nixon can go to China"      *
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>*  Internet:  ys3359@csc.albany.edu *            - Ancient Vulcan        *
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assalam alaikum

Hyder bhai is going to reply on my behalf, he has told me that tuum abhi
bachay ho baith jao khamoshi say.

My Dua is that May Allah Guide us to Right Path, and a little gem of a
present for you:

	Women impure are for men impure,
	and men impure for women impure,
	And women of purity
	Are for men of purity
	And men of purity 
	Are for women of purity:
	These are innocent of 
	All what people say:
	For them there is forgiveness,
	And a provision honourable.
		(Sura 24 (An-Nur):26)

Murad [afraid of the DAY] Mirza.