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From: paul@openage.com (Paul A. Fischer, Sr UNIX Sys Consultant)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Anyone else going to SCO Forum
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:30:07 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
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Hi All,

I know Ed Hew and I are going to SCO Forum.  Is anyone else going?


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From: jimmo@sco.COM (James Mohr)
Subject: Email von Andreas Wehler erwuenscht
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:34:17 GMT


Leiber Herr Wehler,

Es tut mir leid, dasz ich Sie auf diesem Art zuerreichen versuche,
aber bisher sind unsere saemtliche Emails zurueck gekommen. Wenn Sie
Ihre Problem nocht nicht geloest haben, bitte direkt an mich
wenden. Meine Emailaddresse ist jimmo@sco.com.


Mit Freundliche Gruesse!


Jim Mohr
SCO Technical Support
From: paul@openage.com (Paul A. Fischer, Sr UNIX Sys Consultant)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Tape backup revisited/CTAR/Tape verify
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:53:39 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
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>>        I agree and an other nice "feature" would be the ability 
>>to write not only read different capacities on a tape drive.  For 
>>example the Sankyo 525MB Cartrige tape can read 30,60,150,300,and 
>>525. But only writes in 525MB mode. It would be nice to have a 
>>driver that when you write it to a different node, it changes the
>>size of the backup. This would mean I wouldn't have to have two 
>>or more tape drives only one.
>>
>>        But that will never happpen it makes too much sense....
>>

>I would think that both of these abilities have more to do with the
>firmware of the tape unit than driver.

>However, I don't have any low-level programming info on any of the
>tape drives.  

Maybe someone will come up with a tape drive that has downloadable microcode?  
This would make firmware very basic, and if you wanted extra capabilities you 
would just pay for a microcode upgrade.  This would also make upgrading the 
microcode a piece of cake.  Lots of multiport vendors do things like this now, 
why not do it for tape drives.


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From: mathers@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Mathers)
Subject: rlogind: getpeername : Invalid argument
Organization: University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:28:54 GMT

Hi,

Yesterday I suddenly was told that the campus ethernet is being split
and I had to change the IP number on my SCO box right away (thanks for 
the notice guys :-}) so I changed the ifconfig statements in the tcp
scripts, and I stopped the routed, and added an /etc/route add default
statement. Everything works fine, except for telnetd and rlogind which
won't start up when I boot, and if I try to run them manually I get
 
 telnetd: getpeername: Invalid argument

and the same for rlogind. Can anybody tell me what this is
referring to, and hopefully what I can do to fix it?

thanks,

 Chris
From: edc@openage.com (Ed Cooley)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Fun with 9-Tracks
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:59:19 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
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Overland Data has an EXCELLENT product line that will do the job 
for you.  They have ISA and MCA tape controllers.  For ISA I 
suggest their TXi 16 bit board.  Also, they sell many tape drives 
ranging from inexpensive on up to sporty.  Honestly, we would 
suggest shying away from the cheaper Qualstar drives.  Rather, 
you might be happier with an auto-loading, caching drive such as 
the M4 Data, Cipher, or Anritsu that they offer.  Overland also 
has an extremely slim desktop model they market as their own 
which works nicely as well.  Models are available from 1600 - 
6250 bps.  SCO drivers are available for the tape controllers at 
an extra cost; $495 I think.  In the past we have used "dd" to do 
exactly what you are looking to accomplish.  If you read the man 
page on the command you will see that it can convert EBCDIC to 
ASCII and vice versa.

You can reach Overland at 1-800-729-8725.

One other note, their service is excellent as well.  I recall 
having a bad board during an install about a year back.  Their 
phone support people helped me to determine that fairly quickly 
and the technician gave me an RMA right away.  In addition, he 
had a new board on my desk the next morning before I had even had 
a chance to pack up the toasted board.

> I love marketing people...
> Our marketing pukes just let us know that we need to convert
> some data from (several?) 9-track tapes written on an IBM 4341(?)
> system. Now, not being an IBM person, this doesn't mean a whole 
> bunch to me.

> I'm looking for suggestions on how we can go about reading these
> tapes on our SCO box. Should we be able to use a generic 
> SCSI 9-track drive to read it? Are there any utilities I should 
> know about besides maybe 'dd' that would get the data off of the
> tapes?

> Any hints and tips regarding how we can read these tapes would be
> appreciated.

> Thanx!
> Will
> (uunet!la4gen!villy)

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From: news@xenitec.on.ca (xenitec.on.ca News Administrator)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Changing timeouts in uucico
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:55:51 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
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   Here's my next "can I change ___ in uucico" question:  can I change
the timeouts used for such things as waiting for carrier?  I have been
having some problems with calling Telebits with my V.22bis modem; if
the modem I'm calling does not pick up on the very first ring, often
uucico times out and drops DTR before the Telebit has gotten around to
making a V.22bis connection.  It's not a problem with the S9 register
on my modem; rather, it's a problem with uucico.  I'm using a chat
script in Dialers, not a binary, BTW.

-Steve
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From: "Information Conversion Services, Inc." <0003631959@mcimail.com>
Subject: Re: Removeable SCSI drives
Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:16:00 GMT
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Geoffrey Welsh states:

>>   At the last Canadian VARDEX I ran into a company selling 5 1/4" mountings
>>that turned ordinary 3.5" drives into removable ones.  While the MFM/RLL/ESDI
>>and IDE versions would require that the machine be powered down before a drive
>>is inserted or removed

Sumsung just announced a similar setup for IDE drives.  The mounting kit 
for a desktop unit wholesales for $117.  Seems reasonable enough, but I'd 
also appreciate info on the company you "ran into."  Thanks. 
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From: gary@wimsey.bc.ca (Gary Gunderson)
Subject: Scanners and Scanning Software ?
Organization: BC News and Mail
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:58:55 GMT


Hello Netland,

Well.... the subject line says it all (a little bit too briefly I imagine :-) ).

I am in the process of evaluating scanners and scanning software (including
OCR software) for use with SCO Unix and SCO ODT. I would be interested in
receiving information (factual or anecdotal) about any and all experiences
you have had with respect to this topic.

I read this newsgroup on a regular basis so posting your response is fine
if you think that others will be interested. If there is sufficient interest
and I receive a number of off-line responses, I will summarize to the group
at a later date.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Gary Gunderson

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From: "Paul A. Fischer, Sr UNIX Sys Consultant" <paul@openage.com>
Subject: HP DAT problems
Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:43:58 GMT
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>>Bela Lubkin<  Support engineer, The Santa Cruz Operation

>         33. Kernel modifications for the HP DAT tape drive to correct a
>             problem with tape drive reset which would cause the DAT drive
>             to hang after the first access.

Just thought I'd repost this for the people w/ HP DAT problems

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Tape backup revisited/CTAR/Tape verify
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:39:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: compu.1992Jul29.143928.2781
Organization: CompuData Inc.

apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence) writes:

>Oh, yeah, we still get "Gee, we haven't seen
>the backup status printout for a few weeks- thought I ought to call you",

Having CTAR write mail to somebody on the site usually produces the required 
'my tape doesn't work' phone call or email message from the user.

The message about success or failure is quite plain and folks tend to expect 
to see success every morning and do wonder what may have happened if the 
message says otherwise. Usually it is because somebody was still logged on the 
the middle of a DB update and needs to be scolded not to do that again. This 
is another side bonus of CTAR. It tells people to log off when they go home.

Fred 
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From: noldi@furka.enet.dec.com (Arnold Sutter Unix Support)
Subject: Re: SCO Unix 3.2 v4.1
Reply-To: noldi@furka.zuo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:16:27 GMT


--
In article <tempir.711893370@connor>, tempir@Germany.Sun.COM (Uwe S.Obst - Temporaerer Mitarbeiter IR) writes:

>do you know if there's a fix like this for ODT2.0 available, too?
>or does the version 2.0 of ODT that is currently beeing shipped
>already consist this bugfix?

I've heard that this MS does not install on ODT2.0. Hopefully the fixes are
already in ODT2.0!! What does the boot message say: 3.2.4.1 or just 3.2.4 ??


Regards, 

Arnold 

P.S.: Is ODT2.0 shipping yet ??
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From: aehall@sumax.seattleu.edu (anth)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Group ID Environment variable?
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:45:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

Is there an environment variable that will tell me what group I am currently
a part of?  If not, where is the file that contains the initial log in group
for users?

Thanks
Anthony
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From: sxl2259@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: SCO BBS
Reply-To: sxl2259@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 03:16:39 GMT

Hello, 

Does anybody hear about the SCO BBS? How to connect to it? Please give me
some info......Thanks your time.


Shen-wei
From: kgermann@zeos.COM (Ken Germann)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: How to allow a user "shutdown"
Summary: Shutdown
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:20:29 GMT
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd.

In article <1992Jul20.130550.164452@rrz.uni-koeln.de>, wehler@welfa4.elektro.uni-wuppertal.de (Andreas Wehler) writes:
> Hello,
> does someone know how to allow a certain normal user to shutdown the 
> system? AUTOBOOT is easy. Just switch on and wait.
> 
Add the user to group 'sys' and do a chmod 750 /etc/shutdown.
You will also have to add the kernel privs to that user to 
perform the shutdown.

or 

You can set up a set UID and set GID script to run shutdown for you.

The first option is a bit more secure than the second.
From: L.Chung@ee.surrey.ac.uk (L N Chung)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: gcc for SCO UNIX 3.2.2
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:10:58 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

Hi,
Does anybody has a gcc compiler in binary form for SCO Unix 3.2.2,
available for ftp ? We have a 486 machine running SCO Unix but no
C compiler or development system stuff.  Is gcc usable without the SCO
development system ? 

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From: "Paul A. Fischer, Sr UNIX Sys Consultant" <paul@openage.com>
Subject: RE: Athena Widgets
Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
Submit-To: scogen@xenitec.on.ca
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:44:10 GMT
Keywords: Athena Widgets
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>Does anyone have the athena widget library for ODT1.1 or 1.2? By that I
>mean compiled and working or compilable.  I have access to the X
>distribution but would like to save myself some effort if at all possible.

They are available from SCO.  They are Technical Library Supplements.  tls004 
is for X11R3 and tls005 is for X11R5.  These are available for UUCP download 
from "sosco" and ftp download from "uunet".

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From: davidf@golem.uucp (David J. Fiander)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Anyone else going to SCO Forum
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:20:49 GMT

According to "Paul A. Fischer, Sr UNIX Sys Consultant" <paul@openage.com>:
>Hi All,
>
>I know Ed Hew and I are going to SCO Forum.  Is anyone else going?
>

Not this year, unless Doug decides he wants a command
performance.

- David
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Anyone else going to SCO Forum
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:19:14 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:

>>I know Ed Hew and I are going to SCO Forum.  Is anyone else going?

>I will be going, leaving from Seattle on Sunday, August 16th,
>returning the following weekend.  I will be driving and would be
>interested in someone to share expenses down and back.

OK, Bill. I'm game. When you will you be stopping by here in Philly?
Fred
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From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: rlogind: getpeername : Invalid argument
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:31:03 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <MATHERS.92Jul26234057@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca> mathers@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Mathers) writes:
>    When I try to rlogin or telnet into my system, either from dos
>tcpip or from other unix systems, or even from another login on the
>console, I get "bad login user id" and then the login exits. I get

This sounds a great deal like the problems caused when a) you are
running SCO Unix 3.2v2.0, rather than 3.2v4.0; and b) you restart
TCP/IP from a shell prompt instead of from init or the rc scripts.

SCO Unix, you see, has a concept of an immutable "login user-id".
This is set when you first log in, and remains unchanged across su's,
SUID programs, and the like.  Its purpose is to allow the accounting
trace system to properly log things done while you are su'd to another
user.  If a program attempts to do a setuid() before the LUID is set,
setuid() returns an error.  Similarly, if a program attempts to reset
the LUID via setluid() after the LUID has been set, setluid() returns
an error.

So, the problem is caused by the fact that you restarted TCP/IP from
the shell prompt.  Since the LUID gets set when you log in as root,
and since the /etc/tcp script runs inetd, inetd gets started with the
LUID set.  So when inetd forks telnetd or rlogind, they too have the
LUID set.  And when they try to set the LUID to that of the user
logging in, the setluid() call fails (because the LUID is already
set), and login dies.

The solution is to start TCP/IP from a process that does not have the
LUID set.  Usually, it is started from the rc scripts, but you can
also start it from init.  Add the line

tcp:a:once:/etc/tcp >/dev/console 2>&1

to the end of /etc/inittab.  Then type "telinit q" followed by
"telinit a" to start TCP/IP.

Note that SCO Unix 3.2v4.0 can be configured to ignore the LUID, a
feature designed specifically for situations like this one.  It also
has a new daemon that allows you to run programs without the LUID set
using a user-level program.

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From: doug@goodall.com (Douglas Goodall)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Anomaly owner has bad attitude
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:50:06 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
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From: anomaly.sbs.risc.net!kd1hz@uunet.UUCP (Michael P. Deignan )
Subject: Re: Whats wrong with your FTP connection?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:45:21 EDT

In your letter to me, you wrote:

-> Enclosed is mail from the uunet lead operator explaining your machine
-> is not available for ftp from the internet.

Our machine is connected 24 hours per day. We limit the
number of inbound FTP connections so people do not hog our
bandwidth. This machine services other needs than just people
FTPing megabytes of files.

-> Unavailable by phone, snarf or ftp, NOT VERY USEFULL

Tough shit. If you don't like it, pay compu$erve.

MD
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Subject: compiling gcc
From: akeren@laguna.ICS.UCI.EDU (Alan Keren)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:41:36 GMT


Has anyone compiled gcc 2.2.2 on an SCO unix system?
If you have could you post a short description of
what you did and any problems you might have had.
Also any opinions on gcc vs. SCO cc and just in general
how good a c++ compiler gcc is .  Thank you.
From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Tape backup revisited/CTAR/Tape verify
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:34:34 GMT
Organization: Mountain Math Software, P. O. Box 2124, Saratoga. CA 95070

In article <9207230724.aa13981@dlpco.dlpco.COM>, lee@dlpco.COM (Lee Penn) writes:
 COMMON RESPONSE BY UNIX GURU WHEN TOLD ABOUT CTAR:
> 
> >> But of course you can do the same thing if you back up with `cpio' and
> >> create a boot and root system floppy using the SCO utility 
> >> `mkdev fd'.  ...
> 

I was not responding to CTAR in general, but to one aspect of the article
that implied one had to go back to the original distribution to recover
from a crash. Well I believe, based on numerous testimonies, that CTAR has
many valuable features that make it cost effective in many situations,
it is ridiculous to suggest it is essential to do reliable backups.
If one has a reasonable level of expertise and exercises reasonable care,
one can do reliable backups without purchasing additional products.
Many installation have been doing so for many years.  Of course, I can
understand why a company that is supporting customers that
lack expertise or do not exercise reasonable care would insist their
customers purchase CTAR. 

However, no product will provide reliable backup if you do not exercise
reasonable care. For example you need to store backup tapes at more than one
physical site. In addition you need to be certain that the tapes you
write can be read by other drives. Tape drives can go out of alignment and
create tapes only they can read. If the drive fails bit by bit validated
tapes may be unusable or only recoverable at high cost. Finally, tapes
deteriorate. If you need long term storage you need to periodically read
and rewrite the data.

Paul Budnik 
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From: wehler@welfa4.elektro.uni-wuppertal.de (Andreas Wehler)
Subject: Re: How to allow a user "shutdown"
Reply-To: wehler@welfa4.elektro.uni-wuppertal.de (Andreas Wehler)
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:17:13 GMT

>>    ----- topic: -----
>> does someone know how to allow a certain normal user to shutdown the 
>> system? AUTOBOOT is easy. Just switch on and wait.

kgermann@zeos.COM (Ken Germann) wrote (thanks):
>     ----- answer1: -----
>Add the user to group 'sys' and do a chmod 750 /etc/shutdown.
>You will also have to add the kernel privs to that user to 
>perform the shutdown.
>     ----- answer2: ------
>You can set up a set UID and set GID script to run shutdown for you.
>The first option is a bit more secure than the second.

Now, I tried both and can't make the system execute /etc/init nor
send a message via "cat $mesg | wall".
The system rejects the command saying it could not execute.
My user shell script, named ushutdown, holds just the line:
"/etc/shutdown -g0 -y". The permissions are set to:
chmod 6777 ushutdown. chgrp sys ushutdown.
It seems, that the effective UID may be set to root, but not the
real UID, which is needed to shutdown (?).
Any ideas?

wehler@welfa4.elektro.uni-wuppertal.de
(Andreas Wehler)

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