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From: jerryw@cs.umd.edu (Jerry Wieber)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Salmon Fishing - Niagra River.
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:39:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <6365@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jbcst+@pitt.edu (John B Coxey) writes:
>To All:
>    Anyone out there been fishing for Salmon just below Niagra Falls.
>I ran into some people this week who said they were going up there for
>a salmon run.

Boy, that sounds like a blast!  I'd *love* to see those salmon jump
that.  But seriously, what is the basis of this run?  Hatchery fish,
I suppose....

-Jerry
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From: maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:43:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Rod Dryers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

> 
> Thought I'd pass along that Clemens has their low RPM rod dryers
> on sale (was $42 now $19.95). I've been doing the job by hand 'cos

An electric drill works too if you have a model with a variable speed
adjustment.  My trusty Black & Decker can be set down to 10-20 rpm - 
which is useless for drilling holes but great for rod drying.
From: xcuxmu@ttd.teradyne.com
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing Report: Winneconne, Wisconsin
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:41:19 GMT
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division

Fishing Report : Wisconsin's Wolf and Fox rivers
Extracted from Chicago Tribune article by John Husar.  Sunday Sept 27, 1992

   White Bass run wild.  Walleye fall run is on its way.

John Husar reported that White Bass is abundant in Winneconne, Wisc. where
the Wolf and Fox rivers meet.  Fishing guide Ray Missling landed 5 to 6
buckets of White Bass ( ~250 fish ) by trolling in the shallows where the
fish chased shad.  This was hauled in less than 4 hours and all by himself.
Mr. Husar stated that 10 p.m to 4 a.m are the magic feeding hours at the 
"famous" bridge in Winneconne, where everything have been caught.  i.e catfish,
norther, crappie, White Bass.  Mr. Missling says Shad Rap is best, and usually
uses pink jigs for White Bass.

Cheers,
Minh

p.s: Things look pretty hot up there.  I'm planning on going up for the
weekend.  Can anybody suggest where the bait shops, fishing guides, camp sites
if not, then hotel/motel in the Winneconne area?  I'm trying to take advantage
of the fishing season before winter arrives.  Thanks a bunch.

p.s.s: Tribune's/Husar's copyright is noted
From: maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:00:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Fly Rod Building
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

In rec.outdoors.fishing, russell@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Russell Bentley - Sun UK - Support Engineer) writes:

> In article <14717@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> 
> |> kits.  There is a company in Washington called "The Anglers Workshop" that
> |> has a complete rod building catalog that is free.  I've got an old copy at
> |> home but someone here may have their address. 
> 
> .. or ideally their fax number.  Anyone...?  /Russ

        fax: 1-206-225-8641
From: plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Lake turnover
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:56:08 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Oct6.075602.25871@hemlock.cray.com>, peder@tamarack.cray.com (Peder Sterling) writes:
|> 
|> Would anyone care to explain the concept of lake turnover and how it affects
|> fish? 

I have never seen a turnover because the lakes that I fish are 
too shallow and the deep parts are due to creek channels, not 
large bowls.  But I have read a little about it. 

|> My basic understanding is that the surface temperature of a lake
|>gets colder than the temperature at the bottom of the lake; the warmer
|>water then rises, hence turnover.

My basic understanding is the same.  The colder water has a higher 
specific gravity, and hence it sinks.

|> But why don't the fish bite during turnover

The water below the thermocline is depleted of oxygen.  Decaying 
material and similar nasty gunk are collected in the bottom of 
the lakes.  This decay may contribute the depletion of oxygen 
(I have used small bluegill for catfish bait while fishing in 
 the late summer.  If I fish the blugill in 18-20ft deep channels 
 they die quickly.  I presume from asphyxiation).  Fish avoid this 
 nasty water by staying above the thermocline.  At turnover this 
 nasty water is mixed with with the rest of the lake water.  Lake 
 pH and oxygen content are drastically changed.  Furthermore the 
 fish do not have a thermocline-depth to relate to and become 
 scattered and difficult to find.   I have read that 
 (for black bass) during post turnover fishing it is good to 
 follow the shad and fish around them.


			-Pat.
		    

		
From: maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:33:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Rod Building
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

In rec.outdoors.fishing, maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth) writes:

> 
> I just finished building my first fly rod and am very happy with the results.
> Start by reading a book on it and studying the supplies catalogs to get a 

Does anyone know why this message seems to be posting duplicates of itself 
under additional basenotes without me having anything to do with it ?  
Does notes do this on purpose ? Just curious.
From: levesque@wahoo.enet.dec.com (Mark Levesque)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: New Jersey Tuna Fishing
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:52:50 GMT
Reply-To: levesque@wahoo.enet.dec.com (Mark Levesque)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

> Mark, I agree with most of what you have to say but the fact that the catch
>metric has dropped significantly in the last 30 years doesn't mean there isn't
>a healthy population of school bluefins on the east coast. 

 Yes, there are some fish out there. The average size is much smaller than
in years past (not of schoolies, of the entire western atlantic population.)
This signals to me a problem.

>Now they are an important resource to all and need to
>be managed as such.

 Agreed.

>I think your comment was a bit 
>ridiculous and the analogy to striped bass inappropriate. 

 Why? Striped bass were also exploited to a critical point before measures
were implemented to restore the stocks to the healthy levels we now
see today.  But I don't wish to bog things down with a rathole about
what constitutes an appropriate sized striper to keep. Suffice it to
say that I'd prefer people to catch and release small bluefins, but
I do agree that your impact on the fishery as a whole is probably alot
less than that of someone who catches a fully mature giant. And
your point regarding selective harvest is well taken; I'm glad you
didn't find my somewhat judgemental reply to be that overstated.

 But when you've fished for giants as often as I have and haven't 
managed to get one even though you're doing the right things,
it's tough to believe that "everything's fine." It's harder to get
a giant than a deer up here, and I've heard of guys hunting for
17 years without getting a deer. :^|

 The Doctah

  Mark Levesque
  Digital Equipment Corporation
  Littleton, Massachusetts
  levesque@wahoo.enet.dec.com
From: keith@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:37:07 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC

In article <tl3-mwA@engin.umich.edu> Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:
>
>Bow hunting season for deer started on10-1-92 in Michigan.  What does
>this have
>to do with Rec. Outdoors.Fishing??  Well, the animal activists were in
>the woods
>using whistles, banging pots and pans and playing stereos loudly in
>attempts to disrupt  hunting.
>If anyone in rec. fishing land thinks these people will not attempt to
>prevent
>fishing in the near future, then your kidding yourself.

I for one do not doubt they (AR types) will eventually protest fishing
at the local or individual level. They already have shown what they 
will do at the international level by stealing driftnets (which I
disapprove of because they are indiscriminate) and ramming the power 
head (which hauls in the drift nets) on fishing vessels to stop it.
They are already active as the poster above mentions in anti-hunting,  
but I wonder what could/would they do to stop an individual from fishing
in a public waterway???  Make noise to scare the fish...Ram your boat... 
something worse?? 


>  Although I don't
>personally
>hunt (maybe I should take up hunting these activists!!!).   These people
>want, and will figure-out ways, to disrupt fishing.  Count on it, and
>remember, you heard it here first.
>
>BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
>Polish-American Fisherman

Last Feb. there was a hunting and fishing show in town. One guy who gives
fishing demonstrations has a 40 foot tank he hauls around which has 5
foot clear glass on the sides so you can see the fish in it. There were
several people at the door protesting it because the fish were being
hooked.  Anti-fishing will be coming to your town soon. Like Bob says...
COUNT ON IT.

Keith


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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Drift Boat Questions.
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:49:04 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Oct5.172949.22355@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>Not to be picky but a  smaller  raft is more  manuverable  due to less
>weight.  You are also  allowed  to go into more  areas,  like  shallow
>water with a raft where a Drift boat would have more  trouble.  A raft
>does have more  contact  with the water and thus  when  loaded is less
>flexible.  Your  forgiving  point is quite true.  I have done a lot of
>float  fishing  from  McKenzie  Drift boats on the  McKenzie  river in
>Oregon, so I am not speaking without any experience :-) I love fishing
>from drift boats and would have  bought one instead of a raft, but out
>here they just aren't as feasible as in Oregon.  The size diffrence is
>also a factor, the drift boat is 17"+ and my raft is 13'6".
>
>Dave

	Dave, you might consider a smaller drift boat or a pram.  I've 
	never used one myself but I have read about and seen some 8' to
	12' models primarily for 1 person that will fit in the back of
	a truck.  Jed Davis swears by his 8' pram in his book "Spinner
	Fishing for Salmon, Trout, and Steelhead".  I have a 16' fiber-
	glass driftboat and yes I do drag it over the rocks when the 
	water is low :-).  Not preaching, just a thought.

	Terry






--
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terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com  important things in life, there would be a serious
503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles. 
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: starkey@cs.montana.edu (Denbigh Starkey)
Subject: Wayne Trzyna's address
Organization: CS
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:55:30 GMT

Due to incredible stupidity (hitting dp and then q) I've lost Wayne's
e-mail address and have promised him some information for a fishing trip.
If you have it, or if he reads this, please send e-mail to me.

Sorry to waste the bandwidth.

Denbigh S.
starkey@cs.montana.edu, starkey@mtsunix1.bitnet
406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)
From: jfc@salmon.macsch.com (Jack Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: need information for fishing in USA parks
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:59:40 GMT
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation (MSC), Los Angeles, CA, USA

Mt. Ranier National park in Washington does not require a license.
However, unless small creek fishing with small 4-8 inch trout is your
bag, I would not recommend fishing in the park.
-- 
 
Jack Castro                  E-MAIL: j_castro@macsch.com
(All opinions expressed are my own and not my employers.)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rrothwl@mail.boi.hp.com (Rick Rothwell)
Subject: Oregon Coast jetty fishing??
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:58:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


We're planning a weeks vacation on the central Oregon coast in late 
November. Was wondering if anyone had any advice on fishing from the 
surf or from jetties, or any info on lodging. We spent a few
days near Rockaway Beach last spring, and I fished the jetty just south
of there, cannot recall the name, and caught several sea bass, a couple
of Cabezon (interesting fish from a visual point of view  - sort of 
prehistoric) and some greenling? 

I've tried the charter boat scene, but could never enjoy the
fishing due to chronic ralphing syndrome (no offense to any Ralphs out
there). 

Was wondering what the fishing will be like in November. The Oregon 
coast is beautiful in the fall, and I'm really looking forward to 
unwinding for a few days. 

	thanks in advance for the help
	Rick

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: brucej@sunbeamcom (Bruce Johnson)
Subject: Re: Drift Boat Questions.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 15:41:04 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Oct5.130438.16059@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
|> mellery@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Homo habilis) writes:
|> > 
|> > 	I have just spent the greater part of this past summer
|> > building my own wooden drift boat.  I bought a kit from a guy in
|> > Oregon who specializes in that sort of thing.
|> > 	My concern , now, is that I have never maneuvered this sort
|> > of craft.  I am wondering what the best way to learn how to steer
|> > and manage a drift boat is.  Are there any books on the matter that
|> > someone could recommend?  Should I just start on small rivers and
|> > work my way up to the bigger ones.  The boat is 17.5 feet and the
|> > oars are 9 feet.  I plan to use it on some of the major rivers in
|> > California such as the Eel and the Smith.  I may take it on the
|> > Klamath when I have enough confidence in my skills.
|> 
|> I would go out and buy some of the  whitewater  rafting books and read
|> about  currents and how to manipulate  them  properly...  (I have been
|> doing this recently since I have a new whitewater  raft that we use to
|> fish  with)  The  drift  boat is more  sluggish  than a raft  but  the
|> concepts  are  still  the same.  There are alot of books  out there to
|> read, I think I have 7 so far.
|> 
|> As far as the Smith  goes...  I would be careful  with that one...  at
|> least in the canyon  stretches.  I am actually  surprised that you can
|> take a drift boat on the Smith.  The Eel is alot mellower and could be
|> a good training ground.  (I went to school at Humboldt State so I know
|> the area pretty well....)

Definitely start out on the smaller rivers, preferably where you
know the location of any tricky spots.  A really good way to learn is
to go follow another driftboat down a river, watch how they setup
and how that carries them through.  The most important skill is to be
able to read the water ahead and setup.  Don't take your eyes off what
lies ahead.

A driftboat is far more maneuverable than a raft, just much less
forgiving should you hit something.

A book is fine, but there's no substitute for experience.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: Bambi Fishing
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:27:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

    I read on talk.politics.bambi (ok .animals)
that PETA has indeed condemned fishing, but I
have serious doubts that they will harrass us.
Beating pots and pans will only work if they get
in the water, in which case they may accidentally
be hooked. All C&R rules applied to jet skiers 
could then take effect. They couldn't really throw
rocks in the water, since we're in there and might
take it as an act of assault & battery and be
forced to defend ourselves (or press charges).
Nah, their options are limited. It would be more
likely for them to try to eliminate access to
fish (a much bigger problem). 
    I also read on that newsgroup that the issue
was discussed in Great Britain, and it was decided
that hunters were an easier target; the bambi thing
makes a more tragic impact than a dead fish, a lot
of people just don't like guns, they can raise
issues of safety, etc. It was assumed that if they
couldn't stop hunting they'd NEVER stop fishing -
there are more people in more walks of life who
fish/have fished.
    Realistically, all I can see anyone doing at
this point is making fishing 'politically incorrect'.
So people won't hang out with us at cocktail parties,
horror of horrors. If they do start bothering me,
though, they should know that I use 2/0 flies - and
I really don't have much control over my backcast...

                                        jc in me.

Ps; t.p.animals can give you a good look at these AR
folks. The debates I saw ranged from hunting to the
incredibly cruel and neanderthal practice of boiling
lobsters. After a weeks read any credbility they may
have in your mind will probably disappear IMO. BTW, I
prefer my lobsters steamed  oooooooooooh noooooooo....


Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: "Stripers", not "strippers"
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:09:59 GMT

>Yes charter fishing can deplete fishing stocks.  I started fishing in the
>S.F. bay area about ten years ago for strippers in the surf.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^
Well, I tried to correct spelling in alt.fishing and got embroiled in
a mass of postings denying my spelling.  However, as the group is now
rec.outdoors.fishing, supposedly with slightly higher standards, I think
we should get this clear once and for all.

Despite what your spell-checker may say, the correct slang term for
striped bass is "Striper".  "Stripper" is a person who strips (i.e.
takes off his/her clothes in public in a provocative manner, usually
as a part of a show).  That's why it's called a striped bass, not a
stripped bass.

The reason your spell-checker flags "striper" but lets "stripper" go
through is because "stripper" is an accepted english word, whereas
"striper" is fishing slang.

No, I don't have a thing about correcting other people's spelling.
Usually, a spelling mistake results in a non-english word.  This one
ends up as another english word and changes the meaning of the sentence
considerably.
-- 
John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Animal Activists
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 09:53:22 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2


Bow hunting season for deer started on10-1-92 in Michigan.  What does
this have
to do with Rec. Outdoors.Fishing??  Well, the animal activists were in
the woods
using whistles, banging pots and pans and playing stereos loudly in
attempts to disrupt  hunting.
If anyone in rec. fishing land thinks these people will not attempt to
prevent
fishing in the near future, then your kidding yourself.  Although I don't
personally
hunt (maybe I should take up hunting these activists!!!).   These people
want, and will figure-out ways, to disrupt fishing.  Count on it, and
remember, you heard it here first.

BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish-American Fisherman
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Drift Boat Questions.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:29:49 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

brucej@sunbeamcom (Bruce Johnson) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.130438.16059@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
> 
> A driftboat is far more maneuverable than a raft, just much less
> forgiving should you hit something.

Not to be picky but a  smaller  raft is more  manuverable  due to less
weight.  You are also  allowed  to go into more  areas,  like  shallow
water with a raft where a Drift boat would have more  trouble.  A raft
does have more  contact  with the water and thus  when  loaded is less
flexible.  Your  forgiving  point is quite true.  I have done a lot of
float  fishing  from  McKenzie  Drift boats on the  McKenzie  river in
Oregon, so I am not speaking without any experience :-) I love fishing
from drift boats and would have  bought one instead of a raft, but out
here they just aren't as feasible as in Oregon.  The size diffrence is
also a factor, the drift boat is 17"+ and my raft is 13'6".

Dave
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Rod building
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:10:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.434
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <7014@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> chip@rrc.chevron.com writes:
>
>Dale Clemens has a good book out on rod building in general and some good tapes.  Please ignore the advice he has on coating the thread with color preservative.   The c.p. does keep the thread from darkening, but it also keeps the epoxy from soaking thru the thread and bonding the thread to the blank.  Just remember to factor in the thread darkening when you select your thread.
>

Yuk, I second John, Try using the return key more often!!!
PLEASE LIMIT YOUR LINES TO 80 CHARACTERS PLEASE!!!!

I don't agree with your comment about color preserver. I have rods that I
built 15 years ago that are still in excelent shape. I used, and still do,
color preserver and have had no problems with the wrappings or the epoxy
finish. I do use VERY thin finish mixes. I also use VERY thin color
preserver mixes. I have to put several coats of preserver on and usually
3-4 coats of finish on but the result is worth it.

I have a surf casting rod that I wrapped in the mid 70's. I have abused
that rod with complete disregard for it's longevity. Despite my attempts
to distroy this rod (only with rough use though!) the wraps and the
finish are still in great shape. The blank and the handle are pretty
beat up though. Fish guts and salt water (yeah ok beer too) really
take there toll B^)
-grego

P.S. your story about the decline in stripers really saddened me. I used
to love fishing for them when I lived in SF.
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grego@bit.uucp or grego%bit%ogi.cse.edu          | but I'd rather drink
or bit!grego@ogi.cse.edu or ...!ogicse!bit!grego | beer.
From: maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:09:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Worn rod tips.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA