HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: boyd@shmop.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Re: Atari FTP sites
Reply-To: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 04:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.220910.17354@ulrik.uio.no>, jarleb@athena.uio.no (Jarle Brinchmann) writes:
>
>Back in the old days Chris Wood used to compile a
>quite good list over anonymous ftp sites. Much better than
>what you get from using archie....
>
>Is he or somebody else doing this still, my last list is from
>29/04 -92. (Well maybe not so old days) ?
>

Unfortunetely, no.  I have a copy of the last version, which I still use a 
lot (greps are always faster than archie :-).  If there is enough interest, 
I can post it.

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From: mluoto@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: flopticals
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:32:17 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


	does anyone KNOW (atari boys maybe ?)
	wether AHDI 5.0 (or some other AHDI)
	supports 21Mb Floptical SCSI drives
	like INSITE I-325vm ?

	If it does, where to get them ?
	Toad computers ? anyone got a fax-number ?
	or could call them and ask wether they have ?

	No, I can't call 1-800 toll free numbers from
	Finland... not yet ;-)

Thanks' a bunch !




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From: Julian_Reschke@ms.maus.de (Julian Reschke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon 040 / Windowing UNI
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:15:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: MS.A49668
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14

Annius Groenink (avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl) wrote:
>This might be a stupid remark but once the Atari machines are powerful
>enough we could actually have them run X and then define the AES (and VDI)
>in terms of X.  There exists a program for X windows (UNIX) that emulates
>GEM (either TOS 1.4 or DOS 5.0 I think) based on X windows. It's called
>X/GEMonX. If this is done smartly both GEM and UNIX X windows programs can
>easily be run/ported to the TOS/X system.

It's not a 'program', it's a library. This means that you still have to
port your program to Unix, and even for the GEM stuff you have to
do some changes (last time I checked). In addition, you have to pay
for this library, and it's not cheap (corrent me, if I'm wrong).

I'd prefer an X server for MiNT with (a) usage of the full screen and/or
(b) X clients running in GEM windows (this will only be useful with
Winx or MultiTOS, because of the current window limit, and it might be
slow).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rogeraw@dhhalden.no (ROGER ALLAN WAHLGREN)
Subject: F030 in stores????
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:11:03 GMT

The first 030 machines arrive Germany this week, but it is only about 200. 
As for England they will have about 2000 machines before christmas, and 
Germay some more, but there will be no mass sale until early '93.

It is not a "hurry"  to get the machine inn mass before xmas since no 
software is released yet. It is for Atari's best that they have some 
software ready when the machine finally hits the market. And hopefully it 
will be shipped with MultiTOS!!!!!!!

Roger A. Wahlgren

Atari distributor in Norway, the biggest Atari market in the world!!!

Was it iro.......?
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STZIP-2 Problems
Date: 15 Oct 1992 01:04:53 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

>>	Also, does anyone know how the original got corrupted?  I recall that
>two people had posted the zip file...perhaps the second person's file was
>messed up when they uploaded it, and when the archive person went to delete
>one of the files, they deleted the wrong file?  Pure supposition, but the 
>other alternative is that A.A. is corrupting files <SHUDDER!>.
>
>>--
>>Hendrik Jan Veenstra  |  hjv@phil.ruu.nl  |   You look for your dreams in
>>Dept. of Philosophy   |                   |   heaven, but what the hell are
>>University of Utrecht |                   |   you supposed to do when they
>>The Netherlands       |                   |   come true...?
>
>-Mike


I uploaded the STZIP2.TOS version to A.A and it was working, this came from 
tu-berlin.de from memory..

NOTE: it is a self extracting archive, you must copy it to a blank disk
and then run it on drive A:\

Unless I forgot to select Binary when I uploaded it to A.A. it should work..

But many of us here in New Zealand have found that it produces corrupted
archives, gives CRC errors, this was with 50-70k pack ice (ICE2.4) files....


Roger................                   sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: Re: Falcon 040 / Windowing UNIX
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:36:49 GMT

In article <klamer.718386914@mi.el.utwente.nl> klamer@mi.el.utwente.nl (Klamer Schutte) writes:
>In <1992Oct4.123634.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith) writes:
>>Indeed, I'm quite sure that X could be made to run under MiNT.

Forget it!  I'm quite sure that X could be made run on the ST, thanks to the
great job that Eric has done with MiNT.

BUT:  The performance would be lousy.  One of the great weaknesses of X is the
big overhead when you run clients and server(s) on the same machine.  A native
OS that goes directly into the screen HW will be faster every time (cf the 
"cheat modes" that vendors like SGI or now Sun have built into their xlib, the
lib will go into HW if it detects that the client runs on a console server).

>2) Connection method. X likes a decent network to connect server and 
>	clients. Basically, TCP/IP and DECNET are supported (major).
>	Is such a beast available for MiNT? (OK, for starters sockets may
>	do. But see 3.)

That's the point.  IMHO it would be VERY nice to have an Atari run an X server
only, to be used as a cheap X terminal, like PCs with VGA cards are when they
are connected to ethernet.

BUT there's work in progress for X11R6 that includes X over serial lines.
There is a new protocol developed by X term maker NCD that aims to minimize
protocol traffic across the connection.  This is where a falcon comes in:
Take a fast color X and PEX server on a - say - 17" screen on a falcon hooked
up via serial line, and you got a winner.

Today, the X server for STs is expensive and requires ethernet.

-- Volker
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From: jmillar@seurat.helios.nd.edu (jay millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: copying files from SPARC to ATARI
Keywords: copy Sun SPARC
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:05:58 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame


The previous discussion about copying from SPARCs floppy drives to Ataris (which I did not follow) probably involved the 'mount' command and involved a discussion concerning the manner in which the disk was formatted.

I've found that the easiest method to copy Sun files onto Atari floppies is to use a program called SoftPC.  This program is a DOS emulator available only under the OpenWindows operating system.  This is by far the simplest way to transfer the files, provided you have this program.  This, unfortunately, may not be the case.  I am sorry that I cannot help you with the 'mount' command, but I do not have enough experience in this area.  Hopefully another altruistic poster can help you.  :)





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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Programming Language
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:56:55 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara) writes:

>OK, I have narrowed down my choice of language to learn to either:-

>  Hisoft Basic 2
>    or
>  GFA Basic v3.5


Well, that just SHOWS you what's wrong with basic - evcery dialect is do
different, that you "learn" one or the other!


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From: rorrossiter@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ron Rossiter)
Subject: ST's in Australia...
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:02:24 GMT

     Just putting some feelers out to see if we have any ST users in 
Australia. If so, could some of you people E-mail me?? 

     Also, I was wondering if anyone knew of any support for Hisoft 
Basic Down-Under, since I got my ST in the UK...

     Thanks in advance...
                         Ron Rossiter <rorrossiter@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au>


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Rendering CAD3D/Cyber scenes?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 18:49:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.135607.1@seb.se> s19184@seb.se (Michael Evans) writes:
>Is there a program to do good renderings of CAD3D (Cyber Studio) scenes?
>
>If have RenderRez 1.0 but it gets confused as soon as there are a few
>objects in the scene.

You mean RezRender?

>Lexicor's Prism Render looked good in the adverts and ths STart preview
>but when I rang Rio Computing last December, they said that Prism Render
>was not available (despite the ad's) and they had no release date.
>
>Is Prism Render now available? Experiences? Who do I contact?
>
>Any other suggestions?

Get yourself a copy of Rend512. It's similar to RezRender, but superior in that
it renders objects into Spectrum 512 format, with the full Spectrum palette, 
instead of RezRender's 16 colors. I think there's a demo copy on a.a. 


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Falcon 040 / Windowing UNIX
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:36:21 GMT

In article <klamer.718386914@mi.el.utwente.nl>, klamer@mi.el.utwente.nl (Klamer Schutte) writes:
> That should be very nice, to have X run under (over) MiNT. But a few problems
> first have to be solved:

> 1) Memory. Running a complete X setup (server, xterm + shell, application,
> 	window manager) likes a lot of memory. I only have seen this running
> 	on virtual memory systems -- probably the way to go.

An X server should run in 4 megs, but I agree that a complete setup will
take more than that. MiNT doesn't have built in virtual memory support
(yet), so either one would have to have enough real memory (there are TTs
with 16Mb and even 64Mb of fast ram) or use one of the virtual memory
products like VRAM.

> 2) Connection method. X likes a decent network to connect server and 
> 	clients. Basically, TCP/IP and DECNET are supported (major).

X also can use shared memory, and for local connections that's the fastest
way to communicate. MiNT has shared memory built in. No networking is
built in to MiNT, but it should be possible to write a network (MiNT
allows file systems and device drivers to be loaded at boot time; it
also provides 2 way fifo's, so a program could even be written to make
the network connection look like a local pipe, I think).
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Contacting GEnie from i-net
Summary: Something else is needed
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:10:56 GMT

In article <BvnuM5.2MA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.140717.29787@newshost.lanl.gov>  
>hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:
>
>Good news for people who want to reach GEnie from the internet/Usenet.
>Bad news for people on GEnie who don't want mail from us:  persons with  
>GEnie addresses may now be mailed from the internet.  If the GEnie name is  
>i.m.a.genie then the internet address is 'i.m.a.genie@genie.geis.com'.   
>What could be simpler?!
>

I tried to send mail to my GEnie self from usenet and got it back from the
GEnie postmaster saying that mail from here to there wasn't authorized.  I
never really looked into it, but I suspect that a GEnie user may have to
authorize mail from the internet or some such thing.

                                     Steve       saj@chinet.chi.il.us
                                              also   S.JACOBS6
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Subject: Re: ATARI COMPUTER WISH LIST 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:25:34 GMT
Reply-To: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands

>>>>> oyakea@warren1b.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) (AO) writes:

AO> 5) At least one University level Math or/and Cad Program such as Mathematica,     Maple, Math-Cad, AutoCad, ProEngineer...

Schoonschip is a program used by physicists, and it is free. It is
reportedly not as userfriendly as Mathematica et al, but it seems to be
powerful enough (I haven't used it). It is ftp-able from archive.umich.edu
(NOT atari.archive!!),  directory physics or something similar.
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From: Peter.Kocourek@p13.f112.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 23:08:42 -0100

In a message of <05 Oct 92  23:35:59>, Anthony Hand (60:100/1) writes:

 AH> Does anyone know the address of Digital Data Dreike mentioned in this
 AH> thread?

From a recent German magazine:

    Digital Data Deicke
    Nordring 9
    3000 Hannover 1
    Germany.

    Phone +49 511 6370


(Usual disclaimers apply.)


YHS:QSI!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: tevans@unislc.uucp (Terry Evans)
Subject: Is it possible to get Aladin?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:17:19 GMT
Keywords: aladin mac emulator

    I heard that there is a mac emulator for the Atari ST
called Aladin.  Is it possible to get it?  There is an 
Aladin in atari.archive.umich.edu, is this the right one,
and if so is it the latest version?

    Please post the answers here on the net since I have a
hard time receiving mail at work some times.

tevans
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Something about MTOS and TOS 4.0...
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:24:59 GMT

In article <Bvvw8r.D7v@iat.holonet.net>, wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
> Multi-TOS is a rewrite of the AES. It of course handles all the multi-tasking
> stuff, But, It Does not include the animated icons, new VDI, etc
> thats TOS 4.0. 

Don't believe this.

This is probably information based on rumor based on someone who saw a
bootleg copy of an old version of the beta test MultiTOS. There are
some pirate copies of MultiTOS floating around. I've had several people
in fact write to me with concerns based on this MultiTOS. I can't comment
on details, but suffice it to say that everything I've heard indicates
that the bootleg MultiTOS is really out of date. MultiTOS has changed
a lot, and is still changing.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu (Chuck Rickard; ACS (UGRAD))
Subject: Re: P.I.M. (was Re: Boston Computer Soci)
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:51:16 GMT

In article <H.ea.&mwWs98FSDU@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) writes:

>    Where did you hear Ken B left? That is sad news.

Dave Small told me last weekend at the WAACE Atarifest.


> "If Rush fans were braindead, why are there so   Bruce Bufalini
> many people posting to alt.music.rush?"              PSU


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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ATARI COMPUTER WISH LIST
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:40:20 GMT
	<1992Oct13.184403.19723@admiral.uucp>
	<Eer47Ya00aw3MNoGpR@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU's message of 14 Oct 92 15:51:00 GMT

In article <Eer47Ya00aw3MNoGpR@andrew.cmu.edu> osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU (Stefan Monnier) writes:
>> >
>> >> 19) Customizable Desktop ( have you seen MOTIF ? ).
>> >
>> >Well, not like MOTIF, but close. Have you tried Gemini or NeoDesk?

>> Gemini and NeoDesk are nice, but they leave something to be desired...

>I believe Gemini and Neodesk are both still improving !
>And anyway, they don't have anything to do with Motif: Motif is not a 
>desktop, it's a window manager !

And there are those of us who can't stand the way Motif and MS Windows look.
They both make me want to barf. What is it with people that makes them think
3D buttons are so wonderful? Give me the look of twm any day!

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From: baumer@cs.utwente.nl (Han Baumer)
Subject: Harddisk size
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:24:38 GMT

I have a quantum harddisk of 105Mb on my TT. Recently the harddisk was
full, but when I did a 'du -s' I got as an answer 80 Mb. So there is
about 25 Mb lost. I know about the 1 Kb blocks being the smallest unit
of memory on the harddisk. So with about 4000 files this would result
in a loss of (at maximum) 4 Mb. This would mean that about 21 Mb is
needed to store the directory structure. This seems too much to me. 
Does anyone know what is the matter here?

I tried to use some disk-optimizers but they didn't seem to work with
one partition of 105 Mb.

Greetings,

Han Baumer.

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From: garth@splunge.uucp (Garth Wood)
Subject: Re: S: Statistics program
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:34:54 GMT

sacha@aslan.en.open.de (Sacha Moufarrege) writes:

>Hi!

>I'm looking for a statistics program for my ST. It should be something 
>like the SPSS package for *ix or DOS, if it's possible in the public 
>domain.
>Any hint is appreciated.
>Please reply by mail.

>Sacha
>--
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Sacha:

You might want to try a program called BSTAT (latest public version is
2.43).  It's not SPSSx or SAS, but it's still quite an impressive
effort, and it's shareware.  Does some very advanced statistics, and 
has a built-in "coaching" feature.  When you send in your shareware
fee, you get back a 120+ pages manual with a great deal of tutorials
on stats.  Good graphing/charting options, too.  I have no idea if it's
available on any of the servers, but it's definitely available on both
GEnie and CompuServe, if you happen to have access to either of those
commercial online services.  Give it a try.  The .LZH archive is about
230K in size, so D/Ling it from those commercial services will run you
$5-6 Canadian.  Good luck.

Garth

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From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:55:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct9.025537.7434
Organization: University of Washington

hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (HARRIS JOSHUA WULFSON) writes:

>Gordon Farrell (gordonf@monashee.sfu.ca) wrote:
>: In article <1992Oct5.223559.13790@u.washington.edu> antony@milton.u.washington.edu (Anthony Hand) writes:
>: 
>: Well, aside from the cost issue that has been pointed out before (which may
>: of may not be a lame excuse), I can think of one possible reason for the
>: all-in-one design of the Falcon: musicians.  Not being one, I can only guess,
>: but it seems to me that it would be much easier to carry around and set up
>: a one-piece machine for playing shows.  Whenever I see a computer on stage,
>: it's usually a laptop, so I guess the fewer the number of pieces, the better.
>: 
>: Any musicians out there who can confire or deny my suppositions?
>: 
>: >Antony


>     That's very interesting. I hadn't though of that! I have a feeling that
>Atari also hadn't thought of that. Most musicians who use computers for music

According to Bob Brodie, this was THE major reason for the case design. 
They've had lots of input from musicians (the Falcon's initial projected
market), most of whom prefer the STfm/e case design.  Hopefully they'll
have a case design for the rest of us shortly...  I've heard many
different things about that...

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
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