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From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:46:02 CST

In article <1992Dec16.142143.4647@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
>In article <BzCI8x.H22@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>Westeners (WASPs rather) do not have the luxury to talk about "human rights"
>>"democracy" "freedom". China basically ignored those rhoteric, if Chinese put
>>as much effort as those Westeners did on China, their hypocricy will be
>>cristal clear in front of the world.
>
>Excuse me, but if there is no "human rights", this means you will be living
>in a country, and, as a human, you lose its rights! (human rights!)
>Democracy is necessary because if the government is bad, then we
>can select another government. Simple. Since China government is bad
>at political issues (e.g. kill people, no matter a hundred or even one),

US killed at least 4 students in the campus I am studying now (also in Kent)
while they were tring to stop US killing thousands in other countries.  Just
a reminder. 

>HK people do want to protect themselves. The main point is HK
>people, living in a capitalistic economic environment, cannot trust a
>new government who know little about captialistic economic governing.
>I cannot imagine if you have no human rights, then you cannot even
>express your viewpoints here, because you have no human right. Please
>think about it.
>
>


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From: v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:04:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec19.081913.7013@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes...
>In article <1gtkoqINNa8h@agate.berkeley.edu> vchan@haas.berkeley.edu (Vincent Chan) writes:
> 
>>	Let me add some more :
>>
>>	If they don't think they are Chinese, get rid of their Chinese
>>	last name and don't use Chinese characters !!
>>
> 
>Sorry, but this just don't hold water.  Anglo-origin Americans certainly don't
>view themselves as English.  Should they get rid of their English last names
>and not use English as their language?


Sorry too. Anglo-origin Americans left the territory of British.  
Nobody cares you if you proclaim independence in a place other than the 
territory of China (ROC or PRC).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Subject: Re: The answer to the 13 balls problem
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:46:59 GMT

Tingli Pan wrote:
>Guess I'm near the answer for the finding out the odd ball of 13 balls,

Yes, almost.

>if there IS an answer.

Yes, and you almost got it, I believe. But you probably did not make it
clear in your "tricky part".

Hint: In 2-B, you can have three possibilities instead of only two, namely:

1) Balanced, 2) unbalanced as in the first unbalance, 3) unbalanced but
the unbalance is reversed as in the first unbalance.

Of course in order to get these three possibilities you need mark a potential
odd ball and move it to the other side:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Chairman Mao was in my dream this night!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:45:09 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Hi folks, I am the happiest man in the world: I had a dream last night and
talked with Chairman Mao!
His old man Chairman Mao looked very healthy. He talked to me:
"shi4 jie4 shang4 de shi4 qing4 shi4 fu3 za2 de, shi4 bu4 yi3 yen2 men2 de
yi4 zhi4 wei2 zhuan3 yi2 de. kan4 wen4 ti2 yao4 cong2 ge4 fang1 mian4 qu4 kan4,
bu4 neng2 zhi3 cong2 dan1 fang1 mian4 kan4." (Stuffs in the world are complex,
you can't change them. Look from several directions but one when you look at
them.) I remembered every word he said, you can check his red book.
Then, he told me:
"My comrade, I have set up several great plans for our Chinese to be the
number one in the world. But I have never told any one, including Comrade
Jiang. First, I tryed to increase our population, but no one appreciated this.
I've calculated, at the time 2000, the world's population will be 4.5 billion.
If we can reach the goal of 2.5 billion, pluss all Chinese around the world,
we are certainly the majority. At that time, the world will adopt a system
called democraticnism, in which only vote counts. So, when we are the
majority, we can allways win what we want by voting."
I looked up his nice parently face, tears was in my eyes. I said:
"Chairman Mao, you are the red sun, we are sunflowers. We are loyal to you.
We think of you day and night. We wish you a long long life."
I am proud that I still remeber this English poem in my text book long time ago.
I said: "A lot of things have been changed, and ..."
He said:"I know. But there are still many ways we can win, if you all follow
my highest instructions. The second plan I did was ....."
"ZZZZZZZZZZ...." Right then, the alarm clock alarmed.
I HATED TO BE WAKED UP EVERY DAY BY THE ALARM CLOCK!
SHAME ON YOU ALARM CLOCK!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "Bee Surgeon"   <ZHIYONG@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject:  INFO wanted on patenting/marketing, other inventers !
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:40:19 GMT

ANYbody out there has experience dealing with patenting/marketing agencies ?
 I search for usenet dealing with these aspects but to no avail.
  I had submitted an idea recently to one company and now they say the idea
is patentable and is asking for about 11k, to apply for the patent and also
market the idea, then they will get some percentage of royalties also.
This sounds pretty expensive right now and I am wondering any of you have
experience dealing with this ?
thanks a bunch.     zy.                   University of Illinois,
                                          Where corn fields prevail.....
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: math problem
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:34:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz7KtI.MBt
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <Bz7HLq.6rF@cs.psu.edu> wja@math.psu.edu (Jianan Wu) writes:
>In article <Bz4u1x.HHF@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>Here is an effort to clean up this mess :) problem from SCC. 
>>
>>>In article <9212110333.AA13492@mariner.sce.carleton.ca> li@sce.carleton.ca (Yao Li) writes:
>>>>                            Math Problem
>>>>                            ------------
>>>>
>>>>Getting bored? Here is a math problem.
>>>>
>>>>There is a polynomial:
>>>>       -a*y**n + y**(n-1) + y**(n-2) + ... + y + 1 = 0
>>>>where real number a>0 and the notation "y**n" represents the nth power of y.
>>>>
>>>>It's conjectured that this polynomial has a unique positive real solution y.
>>>>
>>>>Can you prove it or find a counter example?
>>
>>Believe me: it is truth.
>>
>>a=F(y)=(y**n-1)/[(y**n)(y-1)], F(y) is a montonous function
>>decreasing from +10/0 to +0/10, when y starts from +0/10 to
>>+10/0.
>>
>>:-)
>
>What if a = n? Your function F(y) is not well defined at y=1.

Take limit at y=1. But compare with yours, mine was really poor. 
:-(

>The following would be a better solution:
>Let
>           1     1              1        1
>    f(y)= --- + --- + ... + -------- + ----
>           y    y**2        y**(n-1)   y**n
>
>In (0, +infinity), f(y) is strictly decreasing CONTINUOUS function with range 
>(+infinity, 0) ( you do have to bother derivative test to know that f(y) is
>decreasing function, since f(y) is obviously a sum of n strictly decreasing
>functions). Therefore
>            f(y)=a, a>0
>has unique positive root, which turns out that the original equation has
>unique positive root.
>
>--Jianan

Yours is the best(the simplest and the obvious). 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hh7r@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Hsiang-Hsin  Hsiung)
Subject: Re: a math problem for those who want to challenge china's math champion
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:32:01 GMT

>this is one of the 6 problems in the final contest of national math contest of
>1986.
>>a plane is filled with any way by either black or white points. Prove that:
>>there must exist one equi-lateral triangle whose 3 vertex are same color.
>
>I dont think there was more than 10 contestants that worked it out (judging by
>average sores and that it is the last one of 6 problem.)  I dont know the
>answer, which is why I didnt choose math as my career.
>
>Wei Huang --- future world No1. of xxx-ology.

Is this the whole description of the problem?  The problem itself is not valid
unless the relationship of the plane and the "points" is restrictly defined. 
By what chance you can find a triangle "on" an one-point-wide plane? 
On the other hand, if the points are infinitely small and the plane is a flat-
infinite plane, then the answer is quite simple.

     For a pair of points (any two points) on the plane, there exist exactaly
     2 other points on the plane which can make equi-lateral triangle with 
     this pair of points.  For a pair of points that have the same color,
     there is only 1/4 chance that the other two points are all have the
     opposite color.  Since we can find infinite number of paired-points on 
     the plane, the chance of "no equi-lateral triangle" becomes zero.

          0.25 to the power of "infinite" == 0


						Hsiung

P.S. I do'nt know much about math but image processing and a little bit 
probability. So, please forgive me if the above doesn't qulified as an answer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: How Turkic are the "Uygurs" (Was Re: Russian in Xinjiang)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:50:27 GMT

In article <1ghqusINNlin@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> rap@doc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>From article <92Dec11.141844est.134@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, by liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu):
>| I don't think Hui2Hu2 was exactly Tu1Jue2, Tu1Jue2 controlled everyone
>| while they were strong and when China was divided and later under
>| the chaotic situation under the short lived Sui2 dynasty.  Tu1Jue2
>| later divided into east & west, and east TuJue was completely
>| defeated and its two brother Khans captured shortly after Li ShiMing
>| (Tang Tai Zong) took the Tang throne,
>|
>| the Hui2Hu2 always had their own Khan, and had been a Tang "ally-vessel"
>| after they got lose from the control of both Tu1Jie2 tribes.
>
>There is a problem of nomenclature.  There were a group of Turkic
>tribes speaking the same language, including the Uighur and the Tu"rk.
>The Tu"rk ruled over the other tribes, including the Uighur.  The Tang
>took advantage of a revolt by the subject tribes (especially the Uighur)
>to attack and defeat the Tu"rk, and the Uighur took over the eastern
>Turkish empire.
>
Tang attacked East TuJie because it kept on threaten Tang's borders,
and Li ShiMin finally decided if he ever going to have peace on the
northern borders is that have a total war against East TuJie and wipe
it out(the best defense is a good offense). and naturally, all East TuJie's
subjects got loose and grab whatever they can at the same time made
peace with Tang so that their new possessions are confirmed by Tang
and therefore others cannot take it away from them without looking like
an agressor & trouble maker in the region, and fight an alliance
headed by Tang's army.    
>| [...]
>| Tang rose almost at the same time as the Arabs, they did indirectly
>| supported the Persians to resist the Arabs(Da4 Shi2), and from the
>| name given you can tell they didn't like the Arabs, and realized
>| the threat, but they always consider them to be too far away to be
>| worried about, they were busy digging down and putting down rebellions
>| and make allies in XinJiang, for a while, Tang's grip on its central
>| asia territory was almost unchallengable, and there was no direct
>| confrontation with the Arabs.
>
>I was thinking of the battle of Atlach (on the Talas river in Sogdiana,
>modern Kirghizia) in 751.
>
okay, i was not aware of that, that was only couple of years before
An-shi revolt.  if the civil war did not occur, Tang certainly
had the power & resource to hold on to its central asia possessions
even with most campaigns against its enemies ended up in defeat.  
It's dismal record against TuBo(tibetans) proved that, the Tibetans
was not able to make any large gains despite one Tang military
disaster after another until Tang was seriously weakened by the
An-Shi and subsequent rebellions.  

>Ross
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 24 points or no 24 points
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:10:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BzEvL8.Dny@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>Let me increase the difficulty.
>
>10,10,10,10

How about (log10+log10+log10+log10)! = 24
;-)

Base 10 log of course.

How about  a, b, c, d where a b c d are any non-zero numbers :-)

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Subject: Re: Project Hope and DXP
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:10:03 GMT

James wrote:
>Yes, you are absolutely right, we should take action instead of
>making comments. After all, our ancient sage taught us, "Zhuo4
>er2 yan2, bu4 ru2 qi3 er2 xing2 [sit to talk is not as good as
>stand up to do it]." :-) Let's both donate to Lix's SOS Education 
>Fund. :-)

Thanks James. But no need to donate twice:-) And, the SOS fund is not
mine, please! Some more documents of SOS will be posted on SCC soon,
and the 10 questions of a netter has been answered by the president of
the Fund, and that netter has been willing to donate! Now, a strange
thing (strange to me at least) is that many who are critical the the CG,
donated but few (or no sofar as I know) P-fighters did. Maybe they have
the same reason not to donate just as the D-fighters?

>Frankly, if DXP is indeed an ordinary person, I will respect him
>highly for his donation to the Project Hope.

What about if he did not?

>But, no, I disagree
>with you, DXP is not an ordinary person.

Agreed.

>... and his words
>can also cause education to reach every school-age child in PRC.

Not sure. Never have been a big guy:-) But he did have some words, in 1977,
and in 1989 - when he said: "the most serious mistake in the decade of
reform, is that the education has been ignored,..." Well, then in the
late April 1989, students first used these words to attack Li Peng because
he was then head of the Commision of Education before being premier. Then
these words were used by Li Peng and gangs to attack Zhao ZiYang, because
they explained "education" as "political thought education". Well, hell,
who knows...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo)
Subject: Re: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:57 EDT  

In article <BzF77B.IvK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes...
>I am not a "stupid CCP supporter", But I still have a very stupid question
>to ask:

	You certainly is not stupid, althought, could be naive.  Let me
	try to answer your question, although I don't classify myself
	as a TIer.
> 
>If you TIers don't think you are Chinese, why do you keep posting so many 
>offensive articles in this soc.culture.china news group? 
> 
	Depent on how you define Chinese.  People from Taiwan ARE ethnic 
	Chinese.  If you define Chinese as Citizen of China, PROC, then
	NONE from Taiwan are Chinese including people advocate unification.
	This is dead issue.  Why Taiwanese keep posting so many offensive
	articles in soc.culture.china?  I don't know.  Probably, they
	have the same reasons as those Mainlanders keep posting so many 
	offensive articles in soc.culture.taiwan.

>Taiwanese is not Chinese if China and Taiwan are two different countries. 
>Unfortunately to those TIers, although there is two governments, there is 
>only one country. 

	You have a very broad definition of a country, that is fine with me.
	As long as the government in mainland China keep its hands off the
	politics inside Taiwan and the foreign policy of Taiwan government,
	Taiwan is not likely to declare independence.  Taiwan needs a position
	in the world economic stage and political stage and because CCP's
	interference some people in Taiwan believe that the only
	way out is an independent government.
> 
>Hsi
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NASA - Lewis Research Center  |view.  Nor should NASA's statements reflect
Cleveland, Ohio               |my point of view.
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: fun problem No.2
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:40:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

This problem I saw in Reader's Digest of China.
This happened in a show. There are three doors, behind two of them are two
goats, and behind the remaining door is a car. Of course you want to land
on the car. Now the host asks you which door you want to have open, let's
say you choose door No.1. At this time, the host opens one of the other
two doors, say door No.3 and shows you that it is a goat behind it.
Question: To enhance your chances of winning the car, should you stick
to door No.1 or switch to door No.2 or there is no diffrence between
the two choices? 

This is not as easy as some people think. Thousands of Ph.D's gave the 
wrong answer.

Have fun!

Meng
From: 5hj8zhangy@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: NEWS
Date: 16 Dec 1992 07:12:48 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.china
From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:21:43 GMT

In article <BzCI8x.H22@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <1gmndmINNkb1@pacific.cs.ubc.ca> jkam@cs.ubc.ca (Johnny Kam) writes:
>>In article <RPT=aG#@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>Westeners (WASPs rather) do not have the luxury to talk about "human rights"
>"democracy" "freedom". China basically ignored those rhoteric, if Chinese put
>as much effort as those Westeners did on China, their hypocricy will be
>cristal clear in front of the world.

Excuse me, but if there is no "human rights", this means you will be living
in a country, and, as a human, you lose its rights! (human rights!)
Democracy is necessary because if the government is bad, then we
can select another government. Simple. Since China government is bad
at political issues (e.g. kill people, no matter a hundred or even one),
HK people do want to protect themselves. The main point is HK
people, living in a capitalistic economic environment, cannot trust a
new government who know little about captialistic economic governing.
I cannot imagine if you have no human rights, then you cannot even
express your viewpoints here, because you have no human right. Please
think about it.
From: wanqing@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Wanqing Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test,please ignore
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:39:54 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au
Keywords: test

first time
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Subject: Re: About the pretty girl
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:25:13 GMT

yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang) writes:

>somebody  writes:

>>Why is there no posting of handsome guys? Especially with the proposed ranking
>>system -- my favorite part. Or is there any one dare to suggest that there is 
>>no good looking chinese guys? 

>Probably because there arn't many female audiences in scc.  I, as a male,
>certainly don't feel much interested in handsome guys:-)

       You have to dig the chinese tradition in order to find out.

>BTW, I'll give a 9 to the girl in miss.gif too.

       You are kidding?  Obviously, you haven't seen many beautiful female.:-)
       On a scale of 10, 6 will be the highest she could get from me.-------^

       joe
From: hcai@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Haokan Cai-CS Grad.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:33:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec16.003321.3346
Organization: Washington State University


The tail of the cow points to the ground!
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From: nhuang@cs.ulowell.edu (Bill Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Running Dog
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:53:42 GMT
Organization: ZEN Self Constraint Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec19.021822.627@Virginia.EDU> jmw4a@Virginia.EDU ("John/Chuck Wooldridge") writes:
>Are all foreigners running dogs, or just british?

british is running dogs, others are walking dogs.

>Are all british running dogs?  

no.

>Are Germans, Portuguese, French, Russians running dogs?  Do you
>count Marx and Lenin?

ask jesus, is he on line?

>Were the Yuean and Qing dynasties run (sorry about pun) by
>running dogs? Toba =running dogs? 

mmm.... what is here?

>Is Buddhism a religion of running dogs?

no, it welcomes all kind of ass, including you ;-)




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From: exuhye@exu.ericsson.se (Hao Ye,xt-dl,x0129)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 24 points poker game: answer and new g
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:17:16 GMT
Reply-To: exuhye@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article Fvw@news.cso.uiuc.edu, xzg1397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Xin Zhou ) writes:
> chenx@cua.edu writes:
> 
> >Yes, for the people who were interested in the 24 points poker game
> >this morning, the correct answer was posted by some one in this group.
> 
> >	5*(5 - 1/5) = 24
> 
> >I am glad to see that some one has developed a whole class of problems
> >similar to this one.
> 
> >Now, here might be another one which might be easier than the previous one.
> >You may try to think about it in head, do not use a pencil and a piece of 
> >paper.  If you write it down, it will be too easier for you and you will
> >not have fun, right?
> 
> >Now, the four numbers are
> 
> >	10	10 	4 	4
> 
> >and calculate 24.
> 
> 	(10*10-4)/4=24   too easy :-)


or:

44 - 10 - 10
you can call it cheating.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 24 points or no 24 points
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:05:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BzDGtz.68E@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>Now, can someone show us some kind of procedure that would prove that some set
                                                            ^^^^^^^
>>of 4 integers cannot be arithmatically combined to make a 24 ?
>
>1,1,1,1

I didn't see the prove ;-)

My proof: It is obvious. Done.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china