HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.183607.25072@beaver.cs.washington.edu>,
chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct13.213409.15531@ee.gatech.edu>
wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:

|> Under 50 years of Japanese rule, Taiwanese mothertongues
|> survived.  Yet under less than 50 years of Chinese rule,
|> Taiwanese mothertongues are dying.  Why?

Oh my goodness. Not this again.

I thought I had given information on the net so people should know
what is really happening now.

Those saying taiwanese is dying either have not been
to taiwan for many years or they were just LYING.

I went back twice this year for 6+ weeks and people are speaking
taiwanese in every corner. I came to US 10 years ago and live in
south taiwan until I was 16. My memory was people in taipei speak
mandarin more and people everywhere else speak taiwanese more.

Not anymore, there are plenty taiwanese program on TV, on radio.
I must order food in taiwanese many times. I must talk to district
goverment clerk in taiwanese. There is a taiwanese pop chart.
People sing taiwanese songs in KTV......

There were full page ad on every major newspaper for taiwanese
learning tapes and books using Ju4 Yin1 Fu2 Hao4.
They even claim those tapes were used by high government officials
such as Prime Minister Hao.

Go back home, see for yourself and then make a judgement.
Do not make comment based on some ancient and incorrect info.

You probably think it is too little too late anyways.
But taiwanese is nothing but a speaking dialect, it is not the
government's business to promote it or suppress it.

And it is the government's business to promote one official
speaking and writing language.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:14554 soc.culture.china:28190
From: awu@mipos3.intel.com (Allen Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Thought about the protection bill
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:13:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA


In article <15OCT199215332238@elroy.uh.edu> Zheng Ping stated that
> The CSS's staying here is for the future of China,
>

It may be true for him if he says so, but how many of CSS is really 
" staying here is for the future of China "? Come on REALLY!
Who are we kidding here, majority of CSS wanted to stay in the US
way before 6.4 massacre.

Yes, I want to see Chinese people to have better living condition.
Yes, I Want to help if I can.
But I am not staying here for the future of China.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: [song/kanto] "campus folk"/"lerneja civilkanto"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.112846.3794@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.161953.3522@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>> 
>> 	IMO, "Campus folk songs" are no where close to "Western & Country"
>> 	music in U.S. 
>
>	** The "W $ C" music has special group of listener whereas the
>           Campus folk songs has not or has very few. 

	What so "special" about the group of listeners other than they
	like that type of music? Some Japanese like that, and nowaday,
	Grath Brook even become the most popular artist in the U.S.

	Again, I find no similarity between a typical C&W song and a
	typical "Campus folk song".

>	   Nevertheless, the Campus Folk Songs are different. I think in
>	   the long run, they will be preserved.

	You mean, "preserved" in a musuem :-)
	Yes, they will be there, except they will have no impact to
	the musical world if they maintain the style and no substances.


Yung-Kao Hsu
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:30:14 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct14.194942.27914@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> 
> What does it mean to be a man?  In the past, it meant that they boy
> should not shed tears, should remain indifferent to his family
> members, and if he has the money and resources, he should have
> several wives.  Is it applicable any more?

	** Shed no tears? I would say: shed less tears. Well, even
	   a man shed more tears than a woman, it doesn't really matter.
	   The different should lie on what a man would do after
	   sheding tears.

	   Have more wives? That could be count as one. This was
	   a historical trend and it still is. 
> 
> Why *should* a man and a woman think differently?  There are
> obvious anatomical differences, but other than that, why should
> they be different?

	** I don't know why should they be different. But I know
	   they are different. If you don't think so, you are simply
	   an idiot. (sorry to use this word, but this is probably
	   the most suitable word) 

> 
>>	** Sexism remark? No, that is what I mean by "eaual".
>>	   Equal does not mean "the same". It means "match"
> 
> Not that it is ever going to be able to become a fully equal
> society, but your logic reminds me of the "separate but equal"
> arguments by the southern whites.

	** It reminds you on that. Which is all right.
	   But you should know, it is not the same as that.
	   "Separate but equal" may not suggest "match".
From: BARON@dorm.rutgers.edu (JASON JEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Is this a news group?
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:42:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers College, Rutgers University


	Hi,  I have tried to find some articles in this news group for 
weeks, but it appears that nobody post anything here.  I wonder why?  Can 
someone tell me more about this news group.  By any chance, anyone knows any 
ftp sites in Taiwan, and where can I get a newer version of ZEDOS?
From: cs101i61@eng-nxt10.cso.uiuc.edu (cs101 student)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Info of 6-Year Developement Project needed...
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:08:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2tAq.74G
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Does any netters in Taiwan have any recent information on the National
6-Year Developement Project?  i.e.  the freeways, the high speed railway
system, pollution reduction, etc etc.  If so, PLEASE post it on the net.
Thanx a bunch!

Steve C. Chen
scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois at Urbana, Champaign
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: WHO KNOWS ABOUT RECENT TAIWAN POP CHART ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:44:16 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona Computer Science Department


Well, I think Wang Chieh's new album entitled "Ying1 Xiong2 Lei4"
(Hero's Tears), is pretty good.  Although I think buying CD's from
Taiwan is not a very smart idea, my relatives in Taiwan tell me
that those CD's cost about 500NT, which is more expensive than the
same ones you can get in the US...
But of course, Japan is another story.


Brandon
--
Brandon S. Ou  ~{E7Ji:j~}     Department of Computer Science    
University of Arizona               Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK"
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:16:16 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <2329@cix.cict.fr>, wu@uranus.cerfacs.fr (Wangnan Wu) writes:
> Hi,
> I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
> eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?
> 
> I'm looking forward to hearing from you!
> 
> Wangnan WU

	** My recipe:

	   Before you make love:

		a. Don't eat meat for two weeks
		b. Don't make love for two weeks
	   
	   When you ejaculate: make it as deep as possible.

	   After ejaculation: have your wife lie down on bed with both 
	   legs up for at least half hour.


	   Rate of success: 100% (2/2)

	   Let me know the result about one (?) year later.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:14236 soc.culture.china:27476
From: ychen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Thought about the protection bill
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:31:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /homes/ychen/.organization

I post this for my friend, Mr. Lin.

ychen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Congratulations to many Chinese students/scholars who want to stay
in the US.  Now they have it.  President Bush has signed into law the
so-called "protection bill" which will benefit an estimated 80,000 to
100,000 Chinese in the US.  Since they don't want to return to China,
it is only fair to let go Taiwan and/or Tibet if it is the people's
wish there.  I sincerely hope those who don't want to stay with China,
be it Chinese, Tibetan or Taiwanese, will find their ways out.

cheers,

Ken-Huang Lin
khlin@uiwpls.ece.uiuc.edu
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: A Survey of Taiwan: A change of face
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:01:22 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


One netter asked me to post a summary of this survey and I found it
difficult. For those who are interested in it, here is the information
for getting it the other way.

Reprints of this survey are available at US$3.50 each, plus tax in CA, DC, IL,
MA, NJ, NY, VA, and GST in Canada.
For classroom use or quantites over 25, please telephone for discount
information.
Please send your order with payment by cheque or money order to:
The Economist Newspaper Group, Inc.,
Reprints Department
111 W 57th St.
New York, NY 10019

Telephone (212)541-5730
Facsimile (212)541-9378
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday ROC
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:26:31 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona Computer Science Department

In article <92282.192814U34654@uicvm.uic.edu> U34654@uicvm.uic.edu (K. H. Hwang) writes:
>Happy birthday Republic of China.
>
>I love ROC. I also love Taiwan.
>
>         +++++       +++++
>         +   +       +   +
>    ++++++   +++++++++   ++++++
>    +                         +
>    ++++++   +++++++++   ++++++
>         +   +       +   +
>         +++++       +++++
>

Oh my, I love Taiwan so much that I totally forgot about the Double Ten
Holiday, why does college do that to people?


Brandon
--
Brandon S. Ou  ~{E7Ji:j~}     Department of Computer Science    
University of Arizona               Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK"
From: pan@arete.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Victor Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: some wild imagination ( Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters)
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:26:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


	some time 100-ish million years ago, dinosaurs who existed on the earth for millions  
of years suddenly disappeared, today with those dinosaurs' fossils or bones, people still  
can't answer the question what caused the extinction of dinosaurs. i imagine someday, the  
same thing happens to the human beings, e.g. for climatological, astronomical or even  
anthropogenic reasons whatever, millions of years later, another kind of creatures appears  
on the earth, if some of them happen to be interested in the history of the earth, they  
probably can get more info than just some bones, they probably can find some of our  
documents, what kind of words ( or characters ) would be the easiest for them to figure out  
what's going on??  well, of course, they could be far more intelligent than what i can  
imagine...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: regy105@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (James Haw)
Subject: Chinese Bible on disks?
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:40:36 GMT

Hi, 
   Would anyone know of any computerised Chinese Bible? Any info would be 
appreciated.

Thanks,
James.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: huang@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca ()
Subject: Re: Bush or Clinton?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:14:34 GMT

claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
: In article <1992Oct10.221825.1295@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> huang@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca () writes:
: 
: >I just want to remind folks that Bush's VP is Dan Quayle.  And Quayle, 
: >like many other conservatives in GOP, is an ardent ROC supporter. He was almost 
: >successful in getting enough votes to pass his amendment to the Taiwan Relation
: >Act in 1979 which would have maintained formal diplomatic relationship with
: >ROC.  If Clinton were elected, then expect a Secretary of State called
: >Stephen Solarz, who has not been friendly to Taiwan.
: 
: But "not been friendly to the Taiwanese government" does not translate into
: "not been friendly to Taiwan."
:

The distinction is trivial when the overwhelming majority of the citizens
approve the performance of their president, as demonstrated by polls 
after polls. 

:In addition, how do you know that Solarz would probably be the Secretary of
: State, anyway, if Clinton is elected?

He just lost his job a few days ago.
From: jch@netcom.com (Jack Hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:13:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct9.140341.21433@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>In article <5355@rosie.NeXT.COM> ccliu@amy.next.com (Chang-Chi Liu) writes:
>>
>>not sure what the ordinary people are.  Many Taiwanese middle class  
>>citizens invest in land and apartments.  Wang's proposal, although  
>>definitely welcomed by the "have not", surely irritates may small  
>>landlords, not to mention the tycoons.  Wang just stepped on too many  
>
>	I thought the essence in the proposed land reform is taxing
>	"real estate transactions". If you own a place for yourslef
>	to live, you definitely should welcome it since it will
>	probably increase tax income to the government that she may
>	not increase your property tax for the next 30 years (or you
>	get your tax reduced; hey, we can dream :-) And we should also
>	mention the artifically high consumer goods jacked up by the
>	real estate's price.
>
>	If you invest land to make money, you should pay fair tax on the
>	profit like any other business.

I agree your points to some extent.  Since it is an investment, the capital
gains should pay its share of taxes.  But the reality is that people
(ordinary people) invest in land, and they should not be the victims.

The target of the land reform should be all captial groups.  They
manipulate the city development plans and get lots of profits from it.
They are the ones to be blamed, not those middle class people who work
hard and save a little to invest in house and land.

One of the problem in Wang's plan is that it does not give good protection
for middle class.  Saying that if your parents works hard for 30 years
and earn a house.  Then you got trouble.  If they transfer to you now,
they got to pay the appreciation tax.  If you inherit it after they passed
away, you pay the inheritance tax.  Either way, you may probabaly get
nothing under the reform plan.  That is, you are like your parents 30
years ago and you have to work hard for another 30 years and this time
you again cannot leave your children anything.

Moreover, some dump heads are still crying for craps like "Appreciation
Goes to Government"(Chan3 Gia4 Gue1 Guon1).  This is a baseless claim
quoted from Dr. Sun's words.  It is not that the goverment's invest in
the construction and development help the build up of the land value.
It is people's economicaly activities help the land value to increase.
The help from the government is only a very small part of it.  For
example, for all these New Towns such as LinCo which developed by the
government about ten years ago, is there anyone prosper and evolve to
a real town now?  Why are they still wasted lands even the government
construct the roads, electricities, and some other civil stuffs?


Jack
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:07:07 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <YCHEN.92Oct8120250@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu>, ychen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen) writes:
> 
> Legislators never represent people. They represent for their own interest.
> We all know that these legislators are rich although they were not when
> they got elected. 

> situation never happens in Taiwan. It is too bad that Lee is not
> elected by people, and people have no power to control him.
> 
> I though that the politics in Taiwan has improved in recent years, but
> now I find that there is still a long way to go.....


	** I can see serious self-contradition in the above tailored 
	   quote:

	   You wish government officer and legislators can be elected
	   by people. You also think once they were elected, people can
	   no long control them.

	   Politics will not be improved unless this dilemma is solved.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:37:55 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <15OCT199210440298@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, ectnt@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (THUY TRUONG) writes:
> 
> Would you explain why does the people don't eat meat and don't make love 
> for two weeks in order to have the girl? 
> 
> And how about for the boy(s) instead of the girld(s). Thanks  


	** No, the recipe is for having boy. If girl is desirable,
	   do the opposite. 

	   I am not a doctor, I can only tell you what I know:

	   The acidic environment in vagina is hazardous to sperm
	   for boy. In order to increase the life time of boy sperm
	   before it reaches the egg, it should:

	  	be as alkaline as possible
	 	be closer to the egg as possible

	   And, I forgot one thing: You need to know the time of
	   ovulation of your wife as precise as possible. A convinent
	   way is to use women's thermometer for at least two months
	   to find out.                                             
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: A Survey of Taiwan
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:34:12 GMT


The Economist of the October 10th issue has a 18 pages special report 
of Taiwan.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: [song/kanto] "campus folk"/"lerneja civilkanto"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:19:53 GMT

In article <5325@rosie.NeXT.COM> ccliu@amy.next.com (Chang-Chi Liu) writes:
>n article <1992Oct4.034355.1173@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
>chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>>      However, I also wonder whether there is a sharp definition of what
>> "campus folk" is.
>
>The way I remember it, "campus folk songs" are composed and performed by  
>long-haired, dreamily-looking college students.  The style obviously  
>originates from American's Western and Country music.  However, unlike  

	IMO, "Campus folk songs" are no where close to "Western & Country"
	music in U.S. (typical example such as "Stand by your man" as being
	mentioned lately by Hilary Clinton). They are more similar only
	in style with folk rock music that was pupular in late 1960's; but
	obviously "campus folk songs" lack of substances to last for a long
	time like folk rock is able to.

	I am/was no fan of either C&W or "campus folk songs" but I am
	sure that you cannot assocaite "C&W" music with easy-listening but
	probably would draw no disagreement with "campus folk song". 

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: U38250@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:05:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92288.170546U38250
 <1992Oct9.172426.7241@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Oct9.172426.7241@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, who@austlcm.sps.mot.com
says:
>>
>>          When you ejaculate: make it as deep as possible.
>
>   If possible, a tube will help. :_)
>
>>
>>          After ejaculation: have your wife lie down on bed with both
>>          legs up for at least half hour.
>
>   It works even better, if you hang her legs to the ceiling for 24 hours.    )
>:_
>

Shame on you ! How could you made fun of another person's opinion on such an
issue (or, I would say, made fun of another person's wife), especially when
there's nothing to do with your own business !

If you don't think this method works (if you ever tried it), just say so.
There's no need of making such offensive comments on others. If you or your
wife is made fun of, on such issues, what would you think ?

Shame on you !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 07:36:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.140419.3843@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>	** Good point. Here we need to know what is meant by
>	   "teach". In this matter, teach means "demonstrating".
>	   Many people don't like Gia3 Bao3 Yu4 in Hon2 Lou2 Mon4
>	   because he is always fooling around among women so
>	   he is a little bit more "momanized" 

That was not the problem.  Gia's behavior, today, would be *unacceptable*
for men or women alike.  Even if he were a woman, his behaviors were clearly
inconsiderate.
>
>	   In teaching your son, you need to show him what a 	
>	   "fathership" should be.

I hope that your son won't think the way you do.
>
>	   Without this demonstration at home, your boy may learn this
>	   or others from other undesirable places.

What would he learn from you?  Like that certain jobs are not fit for women?
>
>	   By the way, you touch a good point. Even without teaching
>	   or demonstration, you boy is still likely to think and
>	   behaive like a man in the future. That proves man is man
>	   and IS DIFFERENT from a woman.

There are certain anatomical differences.  However, is being a world leader
a man's job or a woman's job?  From the fact that most world leaders are male,
I suppose you would say that it's a man's job.  However, Margaret Thatcher and
others have proven that women are just as capable.

>	** The difference between a man and a woman should be one of
>	   the biggest mystery of the world. They are different, however
>	   the difference are mixed, tangled and are not easy to tell.
>	   Fortunately, we don't have to know the difference to be
>	   different. Like you said (and I said too): man and woman are
>	   born different.

If they are born different, there is no need for you to create even more
differences.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan