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From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Dumb question...
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:41:50 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <BzDCE7.9LC@andy.bgsu.edu> jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
>	We're told repeatedly that young dragons must be regularly oiled or
>their hide will crack and get patchy and they'll die *between* and once we
>get into DQ and *especially* in the Harper Hall trilogy, we're told the same
>of firelizards.
>	But there are thousands of wild firelizards.
>	Who the hell oils *them*?

Talea?? :)

(PernMUSH injoke reference, non-MUSHers can skip) *grin*



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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Most bizarre cross posting ever.
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:22:29 GMT
Organization: Keristor Systems
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In article <BzFHrK.D16@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> redey@csugrad.cs.vt.edu writes:

>In the new book by Anne McCaffrey, _Crystal_Line_, there is incontrivable proof
>that the Crystal Singer and brain/brawn ships, at least, are in the same
>universe since Killishandra Ree and her lover whose name I can't recall but is
>the same person that she met in the book _Killishandra_, RIDE in a Brain/Brawn
>ship, althought the "brawn" was sick at the time.

Sorry, yes, that proof is in Killashandra (the second book) as well.
However, the link with the Planet Pirates and Pern is a little more
tenuous, although IMO it *is* there...

>(by the way,  this is my first time posting here :)   )

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From: wolfe@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Where did the FSP and Pern get connected?
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:48:01 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


   Well, if we consider not only the 'Sassinak' series, bt the Crystal Singer
   books as well, we can gauge the tone of the two book sets in the following
   manner:

      The Sassinak series seems to rely much on very rudimentry comuncations
   and forms of trasport when compared to the Technology of the Crystal singer
   books.  This would place the Crystal singer series in the Future of the 
   Sassinak books.  The culture of the Crystal singer novels also suggests
   that the FSP has been around quite a bit longer than it had in the
   Sassinak books(at least it does to me).  Logically from this, you could 
  deduce that since Pern has been populated by humans for quite some time
  (Well over a Millenia) that it is unlikely that Sassinak and 10 pass Pern
  are concurrant.
      Of course, if this is true, one might wonder why there were no Weft,
   Heavyworlders, or representatives of any other FSP species.  And because
   Admrl. Pual Benden was obviously involved in some war, it could be theorized
   that all this happened well before Sassinak.  

      Ultimately, without asking Anne herself, we have no real way of knowing
  whether any of this is true, or if Anne simply wrote about two totally 
  different universes with suprisingly similar nomenclature.

 
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From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: MUSH: Re: WANTED: People to populate New Pern
Date: 12 Dec 1992 08:37:22 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <1gc37qINNi15@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey) writes:
>katala@glia.biostr.washington.edu () writes:
>> I am in need of people to begin work on the Weyr , which will be Telgar
>> first. 
>	Aiiiiieee! NOT TELGAR!!!!
>	:has hideous flashbacks to The Meeting between PernMUSH and
>TinyTIM "There is only one Telgar! How can you claim to come in friendship
>when you are tearing our Weyr from us and replacing it with a SHAM??"

Well, gads, what a stupid attitude from them.

>	Please, have mercy on us and come up with an original name
>for the Weyr. Pretty, pretty please? :looks about wildly as if expecting 
>to be jumped any minute....

Pshaw.  Just because 2 years ago a now-defunct section on a MU* built
Telgar Weyr, that doesn't justify that it should never ever be built
by any MU*, anywhere, any time.  Things are much different now from
the arguments nearly two years ago between Tim and PernMUSH.

That's like saying that since PernMUSH built Fort Weyr, that no other
MU* section can build Fort.  Poppycock.

'Original name'?  Telgar ripped theirs off from McCaffrey.

>	Oh, and don't forget to add MUSH: to you posts, so we don't peeve
>off the non-MUSHer out there. They like to be able to csreen them out. :)

Quick note--you didn't do that.


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From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Dumb question...
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:23:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1gp59bINNmm4@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller) writes:
>
>when one realizes that the firelizards projecting <<OUR humans are back>>
>were probably the very same ones once impressed by the original colonists!
>*THAT's* how they remembered the scenes of volcanic destruction... they
>were the very ones that had actually *been* there and *seen* it.
>
>Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
>Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan

Bingo! That had been bugging me since i read DragonsDawn... (i haven't read 
AtWoP yet... *ducks head ashamedly*)  The suggestion that firelizards would 
'pass on' memories from one generation to the next just didn't cut it, but
it wasn't clicking with me just what had to be going on...  *blush*

--
dart
aka Miranda@PernMUSH
aka Jatel@DragonsDawn
aka Rashina@TwoMoonsMUSH
From: mccall@oswego.Oswego.edu (Jalnar)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: MUSH : Oswego's Dead Nameserver.
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:47:07 GMT
Reply-To: mccall@oswego.Oswego.edu (Jalnar)
Distribution: na
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: mccall@moose.oswego.edu

To any non-PernMUSHer, you may want to hit 'n' now : this only pertains to the MUSH:



You were warned.



To the various friends, SO's and superiors of Jalnar,Janelle,Logan,Mirya and Seranna :

    Oswego's Name Server has died, and therefore all outgoing telnet,ftp, and email
    has been disable...in fact only posting seems to work, and that irregularly.

    This crash is for an indefinite amount of time...we may be back tonight, and it
    may be Several days.(Last time was almost 96 hours, and it bumped one of us out
    of a Candidacy. )  

    At any rate, we do receive mail.

             -Thank you for your attention... we now return you to regularly scheduled 
              newsgroup.
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From: r16a@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Roger Earle)
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:01:37 GMT

In article <92Dec11.205102.19814@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>Sigh... I was bored one day.
>
>grep th$ /usr/dict/words
>
>(suggestions on the ones I couldn't come up with anything for welcome)

Hordth of dragon nameth removed to thave bandwidth :)



>Keith		- the singing dragon. {{always singing in keith ;) }




Roger Earle           University of New Brunswick, Fredericton Campus

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From: shagstr@eis.calstate.edu (Shirley Hagstrom)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Try again..(Stupid newsfeed)
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:31:09 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services


   I also would like Anne's email address if at all posible since I have been
needing feedback and perhaps some guidelines for a Pern Fanzine..
From: page@student.physics.upenn.edu (Chris Page)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Thread parasites (spoiler potential)
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:57:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.pern
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BzD5x9.4A3@andy.bgsu.edu>, eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M.
Porter) wrote:
> 
> laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:
> > Having recently finished ATWOP, something has been bugging me. The zebedee
> > was created to attack and destroy life of the same basis as the thread. 
> 
> Something that bothers me about this even more than the inconsistencies.
> AIVAS suggests that in some stage of its life form, Thread may be sentient.
> Now, I realize that for Turns and Turns Thread has ravaged the planet, etc.,
> but to plot the complete annihilation of a potentially sentient species 
> without so much as batting an eyelash -- well, I'd thought better of Jaxom,
> at least. If it had been considered, and they decided they had the right/it
> was worth the risk, whatever, I could understand that. But, sheesh...
> Genocide. Without a thought.
> 

I caught this too when I was reading All the Weyrs of Pern - I don't have
the exact references since my copy's out on loan. But towards the end
there was some imagery of the red star constantly sowing death into the
Oort cloud - and turning into the reverse of the original red star.
Instead of every 250 years passing close to Pern sowing death among humans
through threads, the red star will every 250 years pass through the Oort
cloud sowing death among thread-forms from the human-created zebedees. So
will McCaffrey now write a pern book from the point of view of the things
out in the Oort cloud?

-Chris Page
page@student.physics.upenn.edu
From: lwl@disco.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: honorifics, MU*s, bronze/gold pairings
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:29:03 GMT
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

In article <724869966snz@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>Given that there is no natural contraceptive on Pern, it seems likely
>that any sexually active female (and that includes all the dragonriders)
>will become pregnant frequently.  This means that female dragonriders
>will tend to be not able to fight thread a large proportion of the time
>(remember that going *between* is dangerous when pregnant).  During a
>Pass this is going to be unacceptable, so the ban was introduced.

There might not be a natural contraceptive, but the weyrfolk, at least,
certainly don't seem to have any rules prohibiting abortion. We are told that
Lessa is saddened at having to help weyrgirls abort, when she can have no
children of her own. One of the reasons that we know that Between is
dangerous to the unborn is exactly this -- it is used as a method of
inducing miscarriages in weyrfolk. Kylara wonders if she's pregnant, at
one point in the books, and thinks to herself that just an extra moment
longer in Between ought to take care of that problem.

One would think that all that time spent in absolute cold would have
some effect on the men's fertility, but apparently not.

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:14:56 GMT

In article 1gj9g1INNcb6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
> 
> >From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
> >>Subject: Re: Dragon names
> >
> >u missed one.
> >Darth - the dragon of the Darkside.
> 
>    Sith would also qualify- good ol' Vader was Dark Lord of the Sith.
> 
>    Very suntanned Weyrleaders, perhaps? Dark L'rod, rider of Sith? 
> Dunno...
> -- 
> Currently on cold medication;  | It matters not how strait the gate
> please excuse if this sounds   | How charged with punishments the scroll
> just a wee bit pompous.        | I am the master of my fate
> -jmm25@po.cwru.edu	       | I am the captain of my soul.


thanx i couldnt remember the spelling. wasnt sure if it was y or i.
but sure Sith is good. 

---
Steve C. 

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                             - Just fools who think they are.
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From: eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M. Porter)
Subject: Re: Thread parasites (spoiler potential)
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:58:20 GMT

laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:
> Having recently finished ATWOP, something has been bugging me. The zebedee
> was created to attack and destroy life of the same basis as the thread. 

Something that bothers me about this even more than the inconsistencies.
AIVAS suggests that in some stage of its life form, Thread may be sentient.
Now, I realize that for Turns and Turns Thread has ravaged the planet, etc.,
but to plot the complete annihilation of a potentially sentient species 
without so much as batting an eyelash -- well, I'd thought better of Jaxom,
at least. If it had been considered, and they decided they had the right/it
was worth the risk, whatever, I could understand that. But, sheesh...
Genocide. Without a thought.

> -grl. (not in any Weyr, not a Dragonrider nor a Harper, MUSH is in my 
> Killfile)
Gee, glad you like us so much. :)
Ellen M. Porter   Kiandra, rider of brown Arcoth@SouCon
eporter@andy.bgsu.edu
From: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Pern and the FSP (BUT)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:26:32 GMT
Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation

jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars) writes:
>Here's a little quote for you:
>
>"They [Admiral Benden and Governor Boll] looked at each other and then
>began the formal words in an obviously well rehearsed unison.
>'By the power vested in us by the Federated Sentient Planets, we
>hereby claim this planet and name it Pern!'" (_Dragonsdawn_ 37)
>
>That solves it for me. :)
>-Shandra
 
 
The obvious problem for me about Pern being a part of FSP is that
the people there are obviously meat eaters but the FSP seems to be a
very strongly vegetarian society....
 
Does this imply Pern is from some early early early FSP ???
 
Dave (whitten@fwva.saic.com) US:(619)535-7764 [I don't speak as a company rep.]
 
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From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Subject: Re: Pern and the FSP (BUT)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:39:28 GMT

Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com writes:

>jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars) writes:
>>Here's a little quote for you:
>>
>>"They [Admiral Benden and Governor Boll] looked at each other and then
>>began the formal words in an obviously well rehearsed unison.
>>'By the power vested in us by the Federated Sentient Planets, we
>>hereby claim this planet and name it Pern!'" (_Dragonsdawn_ 37)
>>
>>That solves it for me. :)
>>-Shandra
> 
> 
>The obvious problem for me about Pern being a part of FSP is that
>the people there are obviously meat eaters but the FSP seems to be a
>very strongly vegetarian society....
um... this is a problem?
> 
>Does this imply Pern is from some early early early FSP ???
I'd say so, because the FSP in the DD is based on Earth, not
Regulous.....
^^^^^
Whatever.
Eccles
 :)
> 
> 
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From: kfarmer@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (keith farmer;S10000)
Subject: Re: Another Pern book
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:35:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.031823.15468@spuddy.uucp> afra@spuddy.uucp (Phillip Harvey-Smith) writes:
>Well when I last mailed Anne, she said in response to one of my questions
>that I'd find out the answer in the *NEXT* Pern book ! Lets hope it is
>soon ! Incidentaly she also said that "Damia's Childeren" should be
>out at the end of Jan/begining of Feb, I hope so !
>
>Afra Lyon.
>
>
>
>-- 
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>|      Alias Afra Lyon of Capella.  Have you come to raise the dead ?    |
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AFRA! *bounce*
NEXT PERN BOOK? *bouncity-bounce*
DAMIA'S CHILDREN? *bouncy-bouncy-bouncy-bouncy fuwfunfunfunfun!*

Konnel@any.mush.pern

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From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: re: Pern and the FSP.
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:07:29 GMT

About meat eaters... could be that it's till fairly early. After
all, this is right after some war or other and doesn't seem to
exactly fit the 'enlightened FSP' that's portrayed later.

Could be the sharding colonial mentality too. :) Eat what's there
before you starve.

Can you tell our net's down so I can't play Pern today and have to
nitpick on a.f.p.? :-)
-Shandra

"A little gasoline... a blowtorch... no problem"
			-Catherine O'Hara in Beetlejuice.
From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: honorifics, MU*s, bronze/gold pairings
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:52:51 GMT
Organization: Redheads Anonymous
In-reply-to: chris@keris.demon.co.uk's message of Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:36:26 +0000

In article <724156586snz@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:

   In fannish Weyrs (including the MU*s) it seems to be generally the rule
   that female riders can choose whether to contract their names on
   Impression.

I know some MU*s allow this (I believe Dragonsfire is one).  I do know
that both PernMUSH and SouCon take Anne's example of Mirrim and give
honorifics only to men.

While I'm at it, let me bring up what seems like another hot MU* topic
lately.  I can't go to a Hatching any more without hearing people
muttering in the stands about how unfair it is that bronzes only Impress
to men and golds only to women.

To me, it seems blatantly anti-genre, given Kitti Ping and everything we
learn in Dragonsdawn, to abandon this rule, but would anyone care to
argue otherwise?  (And not from "you already have women Impressing
browns and blues regularly", because that's a slippery-slope argument
that simply doesn't move me.)

				AMBAR
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From: jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill)
Subject: Re: Dumb question...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:16:57 GMT

It is not a dumb question, I caught that too. I just marked it off to a typical
Anna inconsistancy.
From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: honorifics, MU*s, bronze/gold pairings
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:46:06 GMT
Organization: Keristor Systems
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)

In article <1gsvomINN8e2@gap.caltech.edu> morpheus@cco.caltech.edu writes:

>Well, then, not even using it to justify golds for males and bronzes for
>females, what reason -do- you claim for letting females impress browns
>and blues, as is regularly done on PernMUSH?
>
>I see absolutely no textual support for this practice.  There is one
>(1) example of a female impressing a _green_ dragon.  We -never- see
>a female impressing a brown or blue.
>
>Be careful in your arguments; it's likely that the same things you say
>on this subject could be used to justify female/bronze or male/gold
>pairings.

IMO the real reason is because Anne said so!  I don't know about the
MU*s, but certainly to the offline fannish Weyrs she has been very clear
that the gold/female and bronze/male pairings are absolute, whereas
there is no gender discrimination for brown/blue/green.

Firelizards, of course, will look to whoever first feeds them,
irrespective of gender (or species, it seems).  One of the things that
Kitti Pring put in was the gender bias for the gold and bronze.  Quite
why only males were permitted to ride the colours in the first place is
a matter for speculation.

Here's one theory, and I'm quite prepared to have to shot down if people
can give me good arguments against:

Given that there is no natural contraceptive on Pern, it seems likely
that any sexually active female (and that includes all the dragonriders)
will become pregnant frequently.  This means that female dragonriders
will tend to be not able to fight thread a large proportion of the time
(remember that going *between* is dangerous when pregnant).  During a
Pass this is going to be unacceptable, so the ban was introduced.

Arguments, please - if anyone can show that this is false I will welcome
the input...

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