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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 17:52:41 CDT
From: phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: What it Costs to Have the President Over
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 740, Message 9 of 9

Tomorrow President Bush is scheduled to give "an important policy
statement on drugs and community involvement" and our church is
playing host in our parish hall for this event.  Friday there were at
least 14 SWBT trucks there, they dropped two 300 pair cables to either
the parish hall or to the school gym which will serve as the press
facilities.  Even today (Sunday) there have been at least ten trucks
working all day providing the appropriate jacks, etc.

I have only heard rumors about the bills associated with all of this,
but it sure seems clear that some combination of the Bush/Quail
organization and our tax dollars are shelling out real money for a 20
minute speech.  Anyone got any idea how much the campaigns spend on
throw away work like this?


     J. Philip Miller, Professor, Division of Biostatistics, Box 8067
	 Washington University Medical School, St. Louis MO 63110
     phil@wubios.WUstl.edu - Internet  (314) 362-3617 [362-2694(FAX)]


[Moderator's Note: Quite a bit of money is spent and inconvenience is
endured by people whenever the president comes through town. Whenever
Bush comes to Chicago the rest of us have to put up with numerous
streets closed off, massive traffic jams on the streets still open,
and delays in getting phone installation/repairs for two or three days
before the visit and a couple days afterward while all the phone techs
are assigned to install all sorts of stuff which will be gone two days
later. We had the same thing with Reagan, Carter and Nixon. Personally
I wish those guys would stay away. I don't have any interest in seeing
them personally and I'd much rather be able to follow my normal routes
of transportation, etc. I wish someone could tell me why ten percent
of the phone stuff which gets installed wherever he goes wouldn't be
adequate. Taxpayers certainly do not owe free phone service to the
members of the press. Let them put quarters in pay phones like the
rest of us.  PAT]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992  19:12:26 EDT
From: Roger Fajman <RAF@CU.NIH.GOV>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: N0N/N1N Exchanges and 1+ Dialing
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 750, Message 4 of 13

Here in the Washington, DC, metro area we have three area codes (202,
301, 703) with local calls between area codes.  The dialing
requirements are as follows:

Local calls within area code:  seven digits;
Local calls between area codes:  area code + seven digits (no leading 1);
Toll calls:  1 + area code + seven digits (even within your own area code).

Dialing 1 + ten digits is generally allowed for local calls.

So it is possible to maintain the "1 means toll" idea without
timeouts.  It just means that you can't have an exchange that is the
same as one of your local area codes, which would probably confuse
people anyway.


Roger Fajman                    Telephone:  +1 301 402 1246
National Institutes of Health      BITNET:     RAF@NIHCU
Bethesda, Maryland, USA          Internet:   RAF@CU.NIH.GOV
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 20:00:09 EDT
From: Philip Gladstone <philipg@onsett.com>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Exchange Codes Near Area Code Boundaries
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 755, Message 2 of 12

While I was in Sioux Falls, South Dakota recently, I looked at the
local phone book and I observed an interesting phenomenon. The town of
Valley Springs is divided into three parts (all with zip code 57068):

        Valley Springs, SD in area code 605
        S. Valley Springs, IA in area code 712
        E. Valley Springs, MN in area code 507

The phone book listed three different exchange codes (755, 757, 777)
for Valley Springs. However, the listings did not indicate where the
person resided [in fact the most common addresses were (absent) and
'RR'] The phone service is provided by Sioux Valley Telephone Co.

The dialing instructions were:

        From Sioux Falls (list of exchanges) dial just seven digits.
        From any part of Valley Springs, you dial seven digits (for 
          local calls).
        From non-local towns, you have to dial the area code for 
          exchange 755 (a/c 507) and for exchange 777 (a/c 712).

This all implies to me that these exchange codes are allocated in each
area code, and somehow all point to the same exchange. Further, it
seems that allocating new exchange codes in this area would use up
exchange codes in multiple area codes. I realise that in that part of
the country, there is probably a lot of free number space -- but is
this a typical approach?


Philip Gladstone    philipg@onsett.com
From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: PC-Based Voicemail Systems
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com>
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 739, Message 1 of 17

henry@ads.com (Henry Mensch) writes:

> I've been charged with looking into PC-based voicemail systems ... the
> cynic in me doesn't believe they really work, but they seem to be
> fairly popular ... can someone speak to the usefulness/featurefulness
> of these devices?

I have news for you. PC-based voicemail systems are the wave of the
future. My own personal belief is that mainframe platforms such as
those praised by Randy Gellens and others are vestiges of the past and
will eventually go the way of all dinasours. Admittedly, since I do
not feel the future of mainframes is very bright, no time has been
spent looking into them.

My business partner and I created a complete billing center
incorporating ACD, voicemail, auto-attendant, conferencing, and
accounting using nothing more than a handful of networked
garden-variety PCs. The hardware cost was shockingly low and the
performance of the system is most impressive (even to those who
created it :-).

I believe that you will find that the PC-based voicemail systems are
more capable than you think.


John Higdon  |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115     |       FAX:
john@ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | 10288 0 700 FOR-A-MOO | +1 408 264 4407
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 07:40:42 EDT
From: stank@cbnewsl.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: New 540 Scam
Organization: Summit NJ
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 749, Message 7 of 13

I just heard the following (7:20am 9/30/92) on WCBS radio (New York
City).

Arrests have been made in a 540 scheme that bilked a number of
businesses.  What would happen is that a "messenger" would show up at
a business to pick up a package or letter, and when told there was
nothing for him or that there must be a mistake, he would ask if he
could use the phone to call his boss.  After making the call, he would
apologize for the mixup and leave.  But the call itself was to his, or
his employer's, 540 number, with a $225/minute charge.

The scam itself wasn't discovered until NY Telephone sent out monthly
bills and started receiving complaints.


Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ   smk@usl.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:25:35 GMT
From: fredrick@acd.ucar.edu (Timothy Fredrick)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: From Europe How Can I Dial a Modem to a Machine in the US?
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 738, Message 1 of 14

We have a user with a Mac PowerBook running Versaterm (standard Hayes
compat. terminal emulator) who wants to use his machine to dial home
from major European cities such as Paris or London.  Our machine here
can be dialed via an 800-number.

Given that, can you recommend how to set up a dial string so that he
can dial home?  Can he use TOUCH-tone in Europe (ATDT ...)?  How about
PULSE-tone?  (ATDP ...)?  I understood there were numbers in major
European cities that would tie into 800-number service (USA Direct).
Can he set up a modem string that would call such a service, enter a
credit card number, and dial the machine in the US, all without having
to pick up the receiver and talk to an operator?

Any other recommendations would definitely be appreciated -- as you
can tell, I was at a loss to know how to advise this person.


Thanks in advance. 

Tim Fredrick
National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO 80307-3000
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:38:26 GMT
From: dag@ossi.com (Darren Alex Griffiths)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: New Pac*Bell Radio and TV Commercials
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 740, Message 8 of 9

Recently Pac*Bell has put forth some new commercials that basically
consist of sentimental goop.  There is a rather sensuous female voice
saying stuff like "AT&T sucks, buy Pac*Bell Centrex instead because
our systems are more like bikinis, fit today but not tomorrow".  I'm
not sure I agree with the comparison, but the logic probably is
correct, I never seem to find myself starting lustfully at a phone
switch.  In any case, I have a question, the sensuous female voice
sounds a lot like Susan Sarandon, does anyone know if this is correct?


Cheers,

Darren Alex Griffiths          dag@nasty.ossi.com
Open Systems Solutions Inc.    (510) 652-6200 x139
Fujitsu Ltd.                   Fax: (510) 652-5532
6121 Hollis Street             Emeryville, CA 94608-2092
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 17:23:08 EDT
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL.MIL>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Speech Recognition Added to Telephone Messaging System
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 733, Message 2 of 13

I have just now called the firm, and ended up leaving a message on a
machine or on voicemail.  In the demos which I had called, the firm
gave its address and phone number as:

Voice Control Systems
14140 Midway Road, Suite 100
Dallas, TX 75244
214-386-0300
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:43 GMT
From: Proctor & Associates <0003991080@mcimail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Statistics Needed: How Many PBX's?
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 756, Message 8 of 8

My boss presented me with some goofy list of statistics he wants me to
come up with.  Does anyone have any idea where I can find the
following numbers, without buying some expensive market research
report?  I need approximations only, but some source that I can
reference.
 
Here are the categories.  Email suggestions would be appreciated.
 
1.  How many PBX's are installed in the USA?
 
2.  Of these, how many are over 500 stations?  (another statistical
    point for "large" systems, such as 700 stations or whatever is
    OK too.)
 
3.  Of these, how many are AT&T System 75, System 85 or Definity
    systems?
 
Well, thats the telecom part of the list.  The rest is a count of
hospitals, colleges and hotels/motels in the USA.
 

Paul Cook                         206-881-7000
Proctor & Associates         MCI Mail 399-1080
15050 NE 36th St.            fax: 206-885-3282
Redmond, WA  98052-5317    3991080@mcimail.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:17:10 GMT
From: shawn@panix.com (Shawn Herzinger)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Radio Shack Voice Scrambling Phone
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 743, Message 4 of 8

I haven't seen any posts about this phone yet, so I will assume that
most do not know it exists.

In the 1993 Radio Shack catalog on page 3, they offer a "Voice-
Scrambling Cordless Telephone". It appears to be a typical 10-channel
49 MHz cordless phone with the addition of a simple frequency
inversion circuit.  The price is $159.95.  For those who care, the
model no. is 43-565.  I knew that cheap chipsets for frequency
inversion have been available for some time, but this is the first
consumer cordless that I have seen that takes advantage of them.  Of
course, frequency inversion is easily un-inverted :-) but, this
product should be of interest to those who believe their cordless
conversations are being monitored by neighbors with scanners.


Shawn M. Herzinger   shawn@panix.com
Date: 26 SEP 92 10:09   
From: FNAHA!JVE@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Stop the Presses, Call the Police! 
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 735, Message 4 of 13

Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL.MIL> wrote:

> To summarize: 650611 in the Netherlands (at Amsterdam?) got a lot of
> calls, and on many of them only the last 4 digits got through, causing
> many calls to reach police at the 0611 emergency number.

> What kind of exchange is it that strips some leading digits off and
> processes the remaining digits, within what is apparently only the
> local phone number?

Maybe the problem was not in the exchange, but somewhere else.  Since
many people were trying to call the number, many of them probably got
a busy signal.  So they redialed -- and maybe they did not wait long
enough for the dial tone.

This is what happened in Finland last year.  Tens of thousands of
people were trying to call a 9700 (entertainment, services etc.)
number to enter a competition.  Usually they had to redial several
times and many used redial-buttons on their phones.  A significant
percentage did not wait for the dial tone, so 97 was stripped from the
beginning.  Those calls were routed to numbers beginning with 00 --
emergency numbers in Finland!

Several areas were without emergency phone service during the phone-in.


Juha Veijalainen       4GE / A-series system analyst
Unisys Finland         phone +358 0 4528 426, fax +358 0 4528 400
Internet (business):   JVE%FNAHA@trenga.tredydev.unisys.com
         (private) :   Juha.Veijalainen@compart.fi
From: sbrack@jupiter.cse.UTOLEDO.edu (Steven S. Brack)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: 1 + 7D Dialing (was USA to Ten Digits)
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:10:08 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 738, Message 10 of 14

In some cases, 1+7D versus 7D does even stranger things than it
seems a telco would set up.

For instance, here in NW Ohio, served by Ohio Bell, 1 856 XXXX rings
an intraLATA LD number in 419 856.  Dialing 856 XXXX, however, rings a
local number, but in 313 856.

So, in Toledo, you must dial a 1 to place some calls in your own NPA,
but you must *not* dial 1 to place calls to an adjacent NPA.

How does BellCoRe suggest that situation be handled?

Also, how does the interop between Ohio Bell and Michigan Bell operate
such that 313 and 419 numbers near the border are dialable as local.
Does the government consider tham both IXCs for short-haul calls in
that area?  It is, as the King said, a puzzlement.  8)



Steven S. Brack          sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
2021 Roanwood Drive      STU0061@uoft01.utoledo.edu
Toledo, OH  43613-1605   brack@uoftcse.cse.utoledo.edu 
+1 419 GR4 1010    MY OWN  OPINIONS  sbrack@maine.cse.utoledo.edu
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:18:33 GMT
From: jon_sree@world.std.com (Jon Sreekanth)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: A Good Way to Play a Micro Tape Over the Phone?
Organization: The World
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 759, Message 9 of 14

In article <telecom12.749.2@eecs.nwu.edu> aa571@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Gail M. Hall) writes:

> 1.  Can you reverse that little gadget to go through the phone line
> by PLAYing it instead of on record to play the tape from the office
> in order to avoid room noise, etc.?

> 2.  If not, is there somewhere an INEXPENSIVE gadget that will do the
> same thing?  My dictation system dealer does not know of such a

You might try out a Music-on-Hold adapter. As the name suggests, it
has a phone connector and a earphone connector for connecting in a
cassette player. They go for < $50 if you look around in electronic or
department stores, office product suppliers, Radio Shack, etc.  Hello
Direct (1-800-HI-HELLO) has one for $39.95, but they're not usually
price leaders, so you might find a better price. But your clients
would need to have plain analog phones, this won't work if they have a
digital PBX.


Jon Sreekanth

Assabet Valley Microsystems, Inc.     Fax and PC products
5 Walden St #3, Cambridge, MA 02140   (617) 876-8019
jon_sree@world.std.com
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 17:22:19 -0500
From: Joseph.Bergstein@p501.f544.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Joseph Bergstein)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: X.25 Connections From Commercial BBS's?
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 761, Message 3 of 8

Joel M. Hoffman asks:

> Does anyone know if there are commercial BBS's (like CompuServe,
> etc.that provide outgoing X.25 connections?  If so, what are the
> typical fees?  I would think it's cheaper for low-volume usage than
> requesting X.25 service from the local telco.  Anyone have specific
> information?

What do you mean by outgoing X.25 connection?  Do you mean X.25
outdial service? Check with Compuserve, BT Tymnet, and Sprint
(Telenet), and possibly GE.

If you mean support for a BBS, Compuserve offers an X.25 link plus PAD
to multiple host ports (i.e. your BBS).  If you have enough COmpuserve
users who log on and use Compuserve connect time to access your BBS,
then Compuserve will provide the X.25 link, plus modems, and the PAD
for free.  The advantage to your BBS users is that an hour of
Compuserve connect time can often be cheaper than one hour of long
distance fees, depending on distance.  Also, if you have many users,
then access via X.25 becomes distance insensitive (i.e. flat hourly
rate for any users within U.S.) Check with Compuserve sales rep for
details.

I am not sure if BT or Sprint have similar offerings.
Date: 29 Sep 1992 15:46:26 GMT
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Why 'Die Hard II' Used Pac*Bell Pay Phones
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 748, Message 11 of 12

In article <telecom12.728.8@eecs.nwu.edu> gdw@gummo.att.com (Gordon D
Woods) writes:

> In article <telecom12.701.8@eecs.nwu.edu> FZC@CU.NIH.GOV wrote:

>> Dulles Airport is not located within Washington DC, it is located 40
>> miles away in Dulles Virginia, at the edge of Fairfax County.

Dulles is 16 miles west of the Beltway, so it is nowhere near 40 miles
from DC. (The mileage sign will be seen immediately after exiting the
Beltway, headed for Dulles. The problem with driving to Dulles is that
one never knows what kind of traffic will be encountered between DC
and the Beltway, so I always find myself leaving too much time.  Then
I end up driving those 16 miles at the slowest possible speed, since
the comfort -- and FM -- in the car always exceeds that found in the
now-overcrowded Dulles terminal!)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:49:24 GMT
From: jjm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (james.j.menth)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Utility Meter Reading Switch
Organization: AT&T
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 734, Message 5 of 13

In article <telecom12.728.5@eecs.nwu.edu> morris@grian.cps.altadena.
ca.us (Mike Morris) writes:

(story about power meters at trade show)

> As I understand it the newer gas meters can also contain a gate valve.
> Don't pay the bill?  <Clunk>.  No Gas.  Talk about the potential for
> abuse ... or revenge on someone.

> Fortunately Southern California Gas isn't putting these in yet  ...

OTOH, if there was a fire at a house equipped with such a meter the
response of the gas company to turn off the gas would be quicker (as
long as the loop hadn't melted yet) :-)


Jim Menth -  jjm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Info Needed About "Nationwide Long Distance" Company
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com>
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 739, Message 2 of 17

rupa@f-454.fidonet.org (Rupa Schomaker) writes:

> So, anyone know anything about this company?  Do they have quality
> lines?  Good service?

At this juncture in the scheme of things, I would probably not use any
long distance carrier other than "the big three" unless someone who
was personally known to me gave a specific first-person endorsement
thereto. And this person would have to be someone who had sufficient
credentials in the telecom business. Now that every dog and his owner
can become a long distance company, one has to be very careful.

> Oh, and how did they know about my phone number almost immediately
> after the lineman hooked it up?

I would be willing to bet that it was coincidental.


John Higdon  |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115     |       FAX:
john@ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | 10288 0 700 FOR-A-MOO | +1 408 264 4407
Date: 30 Sep 92  18:08:23
From: Sky.Striker@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Sky Striker)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Help Needed With Modem Problem
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 755, Message 11 of 12

Is anyone out there using a Macintosh and a MultiTech MultiModemV32
(9600 baud)?  I'm trying to figure out what I should have the dip
switches and the settings at.  I have the book on the modem but for
some reason I just can't get it setup right.  I will connect fine
except when it connects and says "Connect 9600 LAPM" then it will run
fine for awhile then it will aways with out warning drop carrier on
me.  Any help any one could give on figuring out what I'm doing wrong
would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks ...


Sky Striker 
Dale Leonard

The above comments are mine only and not those of fquest.fidonet.
org.  Any flames should be sent to alt.flames as we don't get that
here.  And no, we have no IP address.