From: vender@plains.NoDak.edu (Does it matter?)
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Indus 1/2
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:46:24 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
Keywords: DIMs back :)

In article <3738.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com> mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com 
  (Mykel Alvis)  writes:
[Limited exposure to the homosexual community indicated.]
>
>RH> What profession?  Dance?  Even if so, I don't think you've presented
>  > a very intelligent assessment of how most homosexuals "act."  Did you
>
[Tendency for male homosexuals to go into 'queen' mode when away from work]
Actually, I've noted the same tendency, and I probably tend towards more
  contact with the some of the community.
>
>>                                         Of this group of 40 or more gay
>> men, there are *maybe* 10 that act within the confines of normal society
>> enough for me (and many of *MY* friends) to interact with comfortably.  The

Interact comfortably with?  Really.  Why not treat them as very
  masculine females (or would that expose some prejudices on your part)?
  Its only an approximate method, but it helps.

[Nasty side comment by RH]
[Comment about reaction to another's action being a personal choice.]
[Statement that living on a fringe makes one a target for mainstream
  society.  Also remarks about two comedians removed]
[Assessment of radical departures from mainstream as an attention ploy.]
Ever consider that these people are not mainstream in the first place,
  and in trying to enter the mainstream, are confused by the stereotypes
  presented in society?
[Person questioning why the bahavior is annoying to him/her/itself,
  indicating possible homophobia.  Also offering the annoyance at
  self-degredation]
[Tolerance remark removed]
>
>That'll work.  "Spit in the face now, and someday they'll accept us"
>Doubtful.
>-Mykel
Ever realize that other countries have problems keeping sub-countries
  integrated, while here we have problems keeping our
  sub-cultures and races integrated?  And yes, the homosexual community
  does qualify as a sub-culture until it is finally accepted.
>
[Summary of Note:  We are discussing the cause of the 'queen' or 'flamer'
  behavior, not the acceptability of homosexuality]
> -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: As King Arthur said: Some days it all seems so feudal.

I have roughly the same, if not more, contact with homosexuals as 
  mykel.alvis, and have noted the same trend in my friends.
  Basically, it appears that the people in discussion are mis-interpreting
  social bias concerning gender as social bias concerning
  sexual preference (which, considering that mainstream media
  portrays mostly straight men and women, is not unreasonable).

It is sad--there is a rough distinction in the gay population
  between:
    queens
    flamers
    straight acting gays.  I assume the gender/sexuality crossover
  in stereotyping is partly to blame.  :(

 Personally, since the standard female stereotypes annoys the
  hell out of me, the tendency for some people to willingly
  accept this stereotyping is even more annoying. 

What I really don't understand is what straight males find disturbing
  about homosexual males.  (Which side I am on is not an issue).

But then again, I've been over confused for far too long....
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