HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brian@king.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: [flame] On those who run newgroup votes
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:40:19 GMT
Distribution: na

I think that it should be left up to the vote-counter to ask for whatever
strange and bizarre things he/she wants, as long as there are no substantial
differences between casting yes and no votes.  I mean, you wouldn't want
someone to say "send any old mail message to yes@wheverer.com to vote for
the proposal; or, to vote against, send several paragraphs detailing your
opinion to ..." :-).

But seriously, if the vote-counter wants to reject votes which don't fit
the exact wording requested, that is his/her option.  I think that it is
stupid and annoying to do so, particularly because most of the vote counts
are pretty small.  When I ran the comp.os.msdos.pcgeos vote, I had an address
for yes and an address for no and an address for comments.  I simply looked
at each vote to make sure that it was a clear vote and not a comment, which
took maybe 10 minutes to do, and then I counted "^From " lines in each of the
vote mailboxes.  What's the big deal?  If you're running a vote and expect
a thousand yes votes and five hundred no votes, it will still only take a
couple of hours look at them.  If you're not willing to spend that time on
it, then I say "don't CFV".  I spent 10X more time in the RFD process than
in the CFV process anyway.


Here's an interesting idea, though: what if there were two CFVs instead
of one?  One CFV would be a call for voting for, and the other would be
for voting against.  To vote, you'd simply "reply" via mail with your
favorite newsreader.  The reply addresses of the CFVs would need to be
set up properly of course.  In the case of someone mistakenly doing a
"followup" instead of a "reply", the Followup-to header could be set to
"poster" and the poster address could be set to the appropriate voting
address.  Both CFV messages should also contain an administrative address
for sending comments, vote changes, etc.

With this scheme, you still have the possibility of someone doing a reply to
the wrong one or doing a reply to send a comment, but it does make it easier
for the voter!  I really hate having to dredge through a CFV to figure out
which address to send my vote to and then typing in the exact message, in the
proper case, with the proper punctuation, etc. etc.  


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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: MANGA STRAW POLL:  rec.arts.manga wins 98 - 51.
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:12:22 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston


I note that 61% is less than the 67% needed for newsgroup passage. This straw
poll shows that there is a good likelihood that rec.arts.manga would fail due
to objections to the name. Please, manga fans: if you want this group, think
CAREFULLY about whether you want the group to be named rec.arts.manga so badly
that you're willing to have no group at all if it's not done with that name.
The results of the straw poll suggest that that's exactly what will happen.
-- 
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              Philippe Kahn, in Infoworld, 13 Apr 1992
From: manduca@mayo.edu (Armando Manduca, Med Sci 2-139, 4-8163)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD for new IMAGE PROCESSING newsgroup
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:10:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: bmw.1992Apr15.201037.17557
Reply-To: manduca@mayo.edu
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Mayo Foundation

I would be very interested in reading and participating in
a comp.imaging and/or sci.imaging newsgroup; indeed, I was
quite surprised several months back when I realized there wasn't one!   
I agree with earlier postings that it should not be comp.graphics.*
or comp.dsp.*  My own interests span a variety of topics like 
filtering, deconvolution, registration, compression, segmentation, 
3D visualization, and automatic object recognition.  Articles
on such things are presently scattered over a wide variety of
groups, and I think many of us would benefit from a specific
location for such discussions.

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Dept. of Physiology and Biophysics 
Mayo Foundation                talk:       (507)-284-8163
Rochester, MN 55905            FAX:        (507)-284-1632
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From: downsj@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: rec.games.mud reorg, opinion
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:17:28 GMT
Organization: spherical domain of death and darkness


reorginzation attempts have been made with rec.games.mud in the past. they
haven't succeeded yet. is now the time to try and reorg it? no. rec.games.mud
simply cannot be successfully reorganized, as a consensus regarding how to
reorganize it is impossible to reach.

the simplest thing to do, i suppose, is just allow the trend of creating
new groups as needed, one at a time, that started with rec.games.mud.lp.
i have nothing against people trying to get rec.games.mud.diku started,
i'll simply not vote for it either way. on the other hand, what i do
think we need is rec.games.mud.annouce, moderated. we don't NEED anything
else at this time; certainly not a rec.games.mud.tiny of all things.

above all else, rec.games.mud should be left as is.

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Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian.american
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: SCIA (Is a new CFV really needed ?)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:09:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.221621.25427@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>
>I am not foiling a fresh clean vote. What do you think the current 

	[...and...]

>However a fresh vote may or may not pass the group at this time.

	[...and then...]

>This situation needs to be remedied before a revote is done, if at all the 
>group is to pass. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The purpose of conducting a vote is not to 'get it to pass'. Therein lies
the source of all this mess. 

>Are you now convinced that the group is needed ? Are you going to vote 
>for it ?

I don't know. I might if you stopped acting like you owned it.

>How am I to believe that you have the best interests for this group in 
>mind ? And not a showdown ?

eh? You're being melodramatic...

-h
From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:11:17 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <arqjdhm.albertw@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong) writes:
>wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes:
>> 
>> You're misinterpreting this.  A name does have intrinsic value, as an
>> index.  That is why I prefer rec.arts.comics.manga: I think it is much
>> more useful as an index then rec.arts.manga.
>
>I would think that rec.arts.manga would be easier to find than
>rec.arts.comics.manga, because r.a.m is only three levels deep in the
>hierarchy.

If you're looking for a group on manga, you'll find it wherever it is,
as long as it has "manga" in the title.

If you don't know what manga are (which applies to an awful lot of the
English-speaking net) "rec.arts.comics.manga" will provide a clue, and
might even get you interested.

If, as a couple of people have pointed out, native Japanese speakers
conventionally translate "manga" as "comics", then I can't even see it
being a problem if you're coming from that direction.

-David
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From: turner@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu (George Wm Turner)
Subject: Re: RFD for new IMAGE PROCESSING newsgroup
Reply-To: turner@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu (George Wm Turner)
Organization: High Energy Astrophysics (HEAp)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:03:53 GMT



I support the creation of the sci.imaging group.  I cannot comment on 
the need for a news group dealing with the image processing that
computer scientist do (AI recognition, 3D visualization, which would make sense
naming comp.graphics.*). I would like to see a news group dealing with 
scientific data image processing; often these images are the result of some
kind of a sensor system rather then computer generated images.  Issues of 
concern to me include signal/noise, signal calibration, filtering
techniques, image convolutions, multi-spectral image registrations, & data
reduction/compression to name a few. 

I would vote for a sci.imaging group but as interesting as 
comp.graphics.imaging might be, my time is limited and I would probably 
not wade through all the potiential articles.  I can see sci.imaging as 
being a useful tool im my work.


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Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD for new IMAGE PROCESSING newsgroup
From: bankst@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Timothy Banks)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:14:13 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington

I'd like to support the comment made by Daniel Briggs that a lot of image
processing techniques are used in the sciences, and so a sci.imaging group
would be nice. It would be nice to discuss the problems of flatfielding,
the other packages (like Vista, Midas, AIPS, IRAF, Khoros,...), share scripts,
and so on. I'd like to hear the techniques used by the medical groups and
so on, as it might give me ideas for my own work in photometry. What about
the latest developments in PSF modellers like DAOphot II, etc?

But the big question is - are there enough science imaging people out there
to justify the group? While it would certainly be useful...it must be being
used to be so!


-- 
Timothy Banks, Physics Department, Victoria University of Wellington, NZ.
  Bankst@kauri.vuw.ac.nz, bankst@matai.vuw.ac.nz, bankst@rata.vuw.ac.nz
         Banks@beagle.phys.vuw.ac.nz, CCD@vuwst1.vuw.ac.nz 
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Date: 10 Apr 92 08:11:27 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Some comments on this rec.arts.{whatever}.manga
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) writes:
 >If a rec.arts. newsgroup for manga is chosen, the logical choice would be
 >rec.arts.comics.manga.  As I already mentioned, manga used to be discussed
 >in rec.arts.comics before rec.arts.anime even existed, so the discussion
 >on manga would, in fact, return to the original hierarchy where it existed.

ie.  "where it didn't belong in the first place".

Great.


--
Iain Sinclair   axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au                             ne cede.
Organization: Junior, Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: news.groups
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:54:12 -0400 
From: Andrew David Weiland <aw1s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: rec.games.frp.dnd

cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters) writes,

>Moving DND, ADND, and ADND2 to a separate newsgroup can make it >easier
for the - shall we say less tolerant (being polite) factions which >have
 specifically targeted DND as an evil influence (no! NOT AGAIN! 
>AHHGGGggg..) will have an easy target on some of the more >conservative
sites - you know, the one's who've decided that the more >"Adult"
sections of the net are not "proper" for an academic institution, >etc.

This is one of the sillier objections I've heard.  It discounts the fact
that no one has chosen to exclude frp groups from their site in the
past, except for reasons of space.  But let's assume for a moment that
it could happen.

This might be a valid objection if we're talking about
rec.games.frp.tekumel and rec.games.frp.whitewolf.  But TSR has a
tendency to bend over backwards to convince parents that rpgs aren't
inheretly dangerous or sinful.  A parents group would never say "we're
against dnd but not against frps" but "we're against dnd and all those
other frps".  The only reason that dnd is mentioned is because it's the
only one that's a household word (having a saturday morning cartoon can
do that to you).

Andrew "Waiting for the vote" Weiland
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: personals
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:18:40 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.

dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
> 
> Sometimes "politically correct" makes no logical sense at all.
  Sorry if I'm being PC, it's not deliberate.

  A compromise springs to mind: If the possibility of not creating a group
that passes the normal process is accepted, then it should be possible to
hold a vote for the creation of personals.ads, which will only be created
( assuming it passes ) if one of the other four groups fail.  That should
allow the net free reign in expressing its will.

  Also note that in the case of more than one vote on a ballot, abstaining
on some items should be allowed.

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Thu Apr  9 11:18:37 WET DST 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.compose
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:55:54 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr16.044237.12187@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>,
 mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie) writes:
>    .makers is the *perfect* place for the creators of music to post.

Then perhaps you should get Gene Spafford to update the list of groups
he maintains. It says:

rec.music.makers    For performers and their discussions.

If this truly doesn't reflect the charter of the group, then perhaps
it should be changed.
-- 
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From: scott@ferrari.LABS.TEK.COM (Scott Huddleston)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: straw poll: Alok bozo or not?
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:33:02 GMT
Reply-To: bozo-yes@ferrari.labs.tek.com
Organization: Computer Research Laboratory, Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton OR

Alok recently proposed to run a straw poll on whether or not SCIA should
get a revote.  Don't ask me why, since he's already vetoed the idea and
he knows he gets a veto.

Anyway, Alok is repeating a classic straw poll mistake.  He left out the
most important choice:

3.  Alok is a bozo who has destroyed whatever credibility he might once
have had, and his continued involvement in SCIA group matters is useless
at best, and counterproductive at worst.  If he had a clue he'd desist
and keep quiet, but he has turned down many offers of a clue.

Therefore, I'm now running a meta straw poll on the question,
"Is Alok a bozo or not?".  This straw poll is probably just as pointless
as Alok's, but at least it's more fun.  Send your votes to either

   bozo-yes@ferrari.labs.tek.com
	  or
   bozo-no@ferrari.labs.tek.com

--
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From: MHIGH@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU ("net.spy!")
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Straw poll - r.a.manga or r.a.comics.manga?
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:53:15 GMT
Organization: I laugh at danger! Cork, too!


You know, there's an easy way to figure where to place the proposed
 r.*.manga group...hold a straw poll!  Rules are simple:  send a
 message to mhigh@vm1.tucc.trinity.edu stating either:

I support rec.arts.manga

   - or -

I support rec.arts.comics.manga

Voting begins now, and ends April 12th, noon, CDT.  Each vote will
 be individually acknowledged at least once before that time, as well as
 a mass ack on the 12th.  This message is being cross-posted to alt.manga,
 rec.arts.anime, news.groups, and rec.arts.comics.

Longtime alt.manga reader...
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Date: 10 Apr 92 02:58:53 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:
 >You're getting an argument because people disagree with *your* definitions.
 >If you think you can change that, keep arguing, but if you do you risk
 >bringing in more people like me who *were* neutral but are now hostile to
 >your aims, especially when exposed to nonsense like your comment above.

Nonsense?  Similar views have been expressed by Peter da Silva,
Chip Salzenberg, and plenty of others.  If you're going to cast a
bitterness vote because I echoed these sentiments, that's too bad.


 >Frankly, I'd just put this thing to a vote, and six months from now you can
 >try to create rec.arts.comics.manga, like you should be doing now.

Er, why?

If rec.arts.manga fails, there'll be periodic postings to rec.arts.anime
and rec.arts.comics, telling people how to send out newgroups for
alt.manga.  It ain't gonna be me whose time is be wasted; it'll be
all the news administrators who casted 'NO' votes, and then some.



--
Iain Sinclair   axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au                             ne cede.
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: SCIA (Is a new CFV really needed ?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:57:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <29EB313E.4CE9@tct.com>, chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> According to alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia):
> >In article <29E9804E.6856@tct.com>, chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> >> In point of fact, your vote has been ignored by the majority of sites.
> >
> >Why are 48 % of the worldwide 45000 sites still carrying it ?
> 
> An automatic newgroup is a terrible thing.
> 
> Free clue: 52% _is_ a majority.
> -- 

Free clue: These 52 % are outside the USA. Group was not intended for them 
anyway.

> Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>


Alok

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From: goehring@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Goehring)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.games.mud reorganization (not YAP)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:53:52 GMT
Reply-To: goehring@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

alansz@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Alan Schwartz) writes:

>I have one question about r.g.m.announce. Is this reserved for
>up/down/new mud announcements, or is it also going to be the place
>for mating flight/mud wedding (which I've seen on dikus)/ wizards
>come get your castles kinda stuff. While I favor the inclusive
>version (ie. all of this is appropriate), I'll leave it to Scott to
>tell me what he thinks.

I am certain that I would post the following:
  o site adds, changes, and deletions
  o server and client code releases

I am moderately certain I would post the following:
  o major social events of the sort that involve most of the users of a
    mud  (i.e. pern mating flight)
  o game code releases (castles, neato muf program).  NOTE: I would not
    post the code, just a pointer to an ftp site.

I am uncertain (undecided) if I would post the following:
  o minor social events that do not involve most of the users of a mud
    (i.e. mud weddings)
  o information about real-life gatherings of mudders
 
I would definitely not post the following:
  o quest solutions
  o complaints regarding the conduct of a player, wizard, or
    administration of a given mud
  o logs captured from a mud
  o vacation stories

>If we can come to some kinds of consensus, we can run the vote
>(assuming we can set up a way to count ballots.)

Is Daves Hayes still out there?  As I recall, he counted the vote for
rec.games.mud.lp.  Do you still have your scripts?

I could count it, but would prefer not to. :)
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From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: All of you guidelines thumpers (was Re: BENDING THE GUIDELINES IS
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:19:50 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.

JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>  Furthermore in a recent article by Iain McCord regarding the
> rec.games.frp reorganization, the suggestion was made that as
> soon as the bending of the guidelines is done by the rec.personals.*
> vote, that the same excuse be used to try to push an unpopular group
> through.

  The suggestion I made concerned a renaming, not a group creation.  It would
have prevented that renaming in a situation when it would have served no
useful purpose.
> Jose L. Martinez
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: How to start a new newsgroup ?
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:37:57 -0500
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


          How to start a new newsgroup ?
       ----------------------------------
 Friends,
     We are thinking about starting a new newsgroup 
              soc.culture.tamil
 which is intended for Tamils ( people speaking Tamil,an ancient Indian(Asia)
 language ) around the world (U.S.A., Canada, Malaysia, Singapore and U.K...)
 We would like to have a worldwide distribution for this newsgroup. However,
 we do not know the usual procedure for starting a newsgroup.
     We would appreciate your help in enlightening us how to start a new
 newsgroup. 
     Thanks,
                                                                  S.Pandian,
                                                            sp2@cec1.wustl.edu