From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: pnw.personals
Subject: Re: ad
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:48:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.713800139
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington

In <1992Aug14.024454.2102@leela.cs.orst.edu> hollowr@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (R. Holloway) writes:

>In article <crystal.713755721@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>In <1992Aug13.125935.24650@cadreor.cadre.com> neil@cadreor.cadre.com (Neil W. Van Dyke) writes:
>>
>>>hollowr@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (R. Holloway) writes:
>>>>In article <crystal.713679082@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>>>>In <1aiDPB2w165w@pdaxs.techbook.com> keith@pdaxs.techbook.com (Keith) writes:
>>
>>>>>> WANTED:  just for curiosity's sake, I would like to hear from you if you 
>>>>>>are a young girl, age 19-20, who is sold out for Jesus.  [...]
>>
>>>>>"sold out to Jesus"???
>>>>>
>>>>>You want a NUN?!?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>>Kinky...
>>
>>>>IHMO, this is a cheap shot.  This person, BELIEVES, IN WHAT HE/SHE POSTED IN
>>>>an ad.  Crystal, you've betrayed the spirit of this group.  You, at worst, are
>>>>sexist, racist, & religiously prejudice.  This person, honestly expressesed,
>>>>a preference defining his/her likes/dislikes, yet you've focused upon "sold on
>>>>Jesus."  Why is this?  [...]
>>>[25 more lines of flame from R. Holloway deleted.]
>>
>>>I think Crystal was pretty-much joking.  After a period of annoying postings
>>>of gay-bashing, we could use some levity and playfulness.  Keith shouldn't feel
>>>offended.  Take it easy.
>>
>>>Neil
>>
>>>-- 
>>>Neil W. Van Dyke <> neil@cadre.com <> +1 503 690 1586 <> Fax: +1 503 690 1320
>>>"My employer disclaims that I even work for them, much less speak for them."
>>
>>
>>Thank you, Neil!
>>
>>Yes, it was a joke...a play on the phrase that I quoted.  I saw it as quite
>>ambiguous and likely not at all what he intended to say.  My favorite form
>>of humor is wordplay and I *adore* puns and double entendre (those who
>>suffered through the p-nut butter thread may have noticed this...:> )
>>
>>I will not even bother to address R. Holloway, as he has made assumptions
>>based on a misinterpretation.  I do not get into religious arguments. I
>>stated my views ONCE, quite simply and intend to leave it at that.
>>
>>However...if someone tosses out a straight line...I just may pounce on it
>>with an alternative *must likely ridiculous* interpretation that has abso       absolutely no correlation to my own view, opinions or lifestyle.
>>
>>Humor for humor's sake...
>>
>>Crystal
>>  ;>
>>
>>"I enjoy life as a jester"  --Jimmy Buffett
>>
>Neil and Crystal:

>I recall from somewhere, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  It seems
>to me, your criticism is motivated by something other than righteous indigna-
>tion.  I felt honestly about what I wrote & stand by those feelings and
>thoughts. You preceived crystal's comments as humerous.  I perceived them
>as disparaging & racist.  I care less for our perceptions.  I've been involv-
>ed in many criminal & civil cases (presonally & professionally) of racism and 
>discrimination & it always starts with "humor" - the classic defense.  e.g.,
>"I didn't mean to tell her her ass was gorgeous in a sexist or discriminatory 
>way, your honor."  "I was just kidding around."  "I didn't mean to hurt anyone,
>I was only following orders, mein heir."  Grow up, mate.  We are all judged 
>NOT by our intentions: we are judged objectively by our by our words in print 
>& orally.

>It has been my experience & training that humor is predicate to prejudice,
>discrimination & racism.  Racial, ethnic, religious intolerence is abhorant
>to me any disguise.  What matters are my perceptions & not yours or crystal's
>intentions.  That's it in a nutshell.  My intolerence is the same as though
>she were to respond to a african american's post by calling him or her a
>nigger. One person's meat is another's poison.  C'est la vie.

>Warm regards,

>R. Holloway


The humor you describe is that of name calling.  That isn't humor.  That's sick.

True, you may perceive whatever you wish, and that is YOUR problem and you must
must learn to deal with that intolerance. 

Me, I deal in acceptance of others, not intolerance, and am willing to look at 
alternative ways something may have been meant if I find that it rubs me the wrong way.

Give it a try...it makes life a much happier state of mind :>