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From: saji@thor.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bengals Problems ???
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:07:20 GMT
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Originator: saji@thor.ece.uc.edu


  

  What exactly are the Bengals problems??? I do not think they 
 end with Boomer - though he is having the worst season of
 his life. Do we have any Offensive co-ord ?? Or is Dave Shula
 the Off. Cord. ???
    Personally I think they should have never fired Sam Wyche. 
 Sam Wyche may not be the best head coach, but he is definitely
 one of the best offensive coach. Firing Dick LaBeau (sp ?)
 and hiring R. Lynn as defensive co-ord would have solved most of
 Bengals problems. Look what Tampa Bay is  doing ???  Beating Detroit
 in Silverdome is no joke. And only one man is making the diff. for that
 team is Sammy. 
   Anyway, since he is already gone and we have 12 more games to play
 till playoffs :-) what can be done to this Bengal Team. 
   Defense has NOT improved. Only the Defensive line has improved which
 has Bengals leading the NFL in sacks, but that doesn't seem to be stopping
 teams from airing it against the Bengals. Pass defense sucks ... that to 
 after decent pressure is being put on the QB. David Fulcher and Ricky 
 Dixon are supposed to start against Houston, but will that stop Moon and
 his recvrs. (Unless he throws for 5 ints). 
   As far as the offense goes, Bruce Koserski, said today on a local talk 
 show that the problem started today 'cos we had to switch from our running
 game to passing game. I thought our passing game was one of our strong pts.
 Why should that be such a problem unless Boomer is not making the calls and 
 some jerk on the sideline is ..... I think they should allow Boomer to make 
 more calls and go for more passing plays on 1st downs. 

 Any Comments ???


  AJI 

 p.s how about Klingler ???



-- 
  | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
  |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
  |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |
  |                                     | 			    |
From: markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer news: Keith Millard
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:24:50 GMT
Reply-To: markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

> The Pack must be desperate for DL if they sign Millard.  I read somewhere
> (Pro Football Weekly?) that Seattle let him go, despite having just given
> up an early #2 draft choice for him, because his knee is bad, his attitude
> is worse, and he allegedly is having problems with alcohol and sterods.
> 

   Yes they are defintely desperate for DL help, no if, ands or buts about it.
They get practically no pass rush from any of their current defensive linemen.

Mark Nass





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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  2 OCT 92 10:23:32    

In article <1992Oct1.125700.21926@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes...

> 
>Why not have a draft for C-Sci majors?
> 
>In article <0emUe0200WB2QIlnwj@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> Well, so far we have Jackson going to Marino and slaughter going
>> to Moon. Obviously, any reciever in hi right mind would go to a
>> good quaterback, so teams with bad QB's will have no passing attack
>> at all (Bad QB+Bad WR=0)  Of course these teams will score a lot,
>> which will attract the good defensive free agents and the good teams
>> will get better.
> 
>And C-Sci majors will want to go to the most advanced, highest paying
>companies... (no one will want to write COBOL...)
[Analogy between drafting NFL players and CS majors deleted for 
brevity.]

Companies *compete* against each other.  NFL teams, in reality, do 
not.  They are all part of the same league, they share revenue.  The 
idea that NFL teams compete against each other in reality is an 
illusion caused by the fact that they compete against each other on 
the field.  Keep in mind that this is a *game*.

Now if baseball and football had a combined draft you'd have a point.

JGH
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Keith Jackson Signs!
Followup-To: Thomas A. Gryn <TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:35:00 GMT

In article: <92274.120740TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu>,Thomas A. Gryn <TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu>
 writes:


>It's a good pickup for Miami, but it's going to take a lot more than that
>to take the division from the Bills.

>Tom Gryn...........................................tag2@psuvm.psu.edu

Well it looks like the guy is already paying dividends because he helped
Miami wrest the AFC lead away from the Jills yesterday in a 37-10 thrashing
of Buffoonalo. It took Jackson and his enthusiasm as well as a terriffic
defensive strategy by Tom Olividotti, and picture perfect Dan Marino to
not only beat the Bills but to embarrass them in front of their wives,
mothers, and girlfriends. It was a victory that I'll savor for at least the
rest of this week.

It looks to me like the unbeatable, unstoppable, Super Bowl bound Bills are
just another team in the NFL, nothing special. The Dolphins proved that the
Bills are all hype with very little substance. That awesome Thurman something
or other, got an unbelievable 33 yards rushing. He's definitely got to be
the best in NFL history. Right? d8~) . Gee the Dolphins defenders were just
shitting their drawers at the prospect of facing him and that awesome Jim
Kelly.

Like I said before, the road to the Super Bowl goes through the Miami Dolphins
and this year they appear to be a dead end for the Buffoonalo Jills.

Can the Bills go undefeated? NO! The Dolphins proved that yesterday.

Maybe finally all this Buffoonalo is the greatest crap can END!

John T.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you take yourself too seriously, you'll be the only one who does.

..John "Dolphinatic" Turman...
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Notes from Sunday...
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:02:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep28.155226.23800@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF) writes...
> 
>Just a couple of quick notes from this Sunday:
> 
>- despite the general opinion on the net, Kenneth Davis would NOT
>start for any NFL team.  Not even the Patriots.

	You're entitled to your opinion.  You seem to be the minority, but,
again, you're entitled.  Btw, the NE RB is pretty damn good.

> 
>- Paul MacGwuire ranks with Joe Namath as one of the worst color men
>in the game today.
> 
	Yeah, but he could drink you under a table.  (:
> 
>Mark
> 

Jonny B.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen)
Subject: Re: How to beat the Bills?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:02:51 GMT

markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge) writes:



>Whilst neither the Skins or the Fins took Thermal out of the game entirely
>they sure as hell made Kelly think twice before going with the run - they
>made diddly squat in run yardage (anyone got stats?)

They were held under 65 yards. Thomas had around 35 and Davis 20.

>coverage on him downfield you take out Kelly's first emergency stop. All 
>you gotta do then is make sure you cover Reed, Lofton and Beebe or Metzhalaar.

>Easy :-)

No!!!!  Sunday they threw for 330+. :-(
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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Philadelphia Eagles!
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:07:04 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

We're the Birds and we're 4 and O.
We're unbeaten with 12 games to go.

Bad 'Boyz?  Ha! They're a sham.
Their last hopes died at 12 AM.

Their pumpkin coach, well, it went poof.
And all I'm gonna do is woof woof woof.

Yeah, woof woof woof.

(Lame rap inspired by Keith Jackson.)
(4-64yds, 1 TD?  ARRRRRGGHHHHHHHHH!!)

:)

(I know, I know. 12 games to go.
 Our next enemy is a tough K.C.
 But Elway showed they can be beat.
 5 - 0, wouldn't that be sweet?)

 Uh boy, gotta stop listening to Public Enemy
 and reading Dr. Seuss at the same time :)
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From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Subject: dierdork & MNF announcers
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:14:33 GMT

I know this is a worn topic, but Dan was a butt-sucking . . . well, he
was just downright asinine.

For all the supposed football expertise, I heard only one truly
analytic comment:  Dan was bitching that Aikman threw to Novacek on a
short play rather than going downfield and was wondering why they even
ran such a route.  Frank then explained that the short route with Jay
might draw defenders.  Other than that . . . ZIP!!

And then, then, what the hell was Dan saying about Norton's supposed
hit out of bounds?  "He touched him!  Why did he touch him?!"  And I
know Dan said "touch" not "hit."

Could intelligence truly be such a scarce commodity?

While CBS generally overkills with the graphics and the data, MNF gave
damn near none.  

Thank god I don't have to watch Dallas play MNF anymore this season.
I couldn't stand to have another game runned.

-- 

Gary Beason    			      bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Purdue University, English    	      bubba@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Eudora)
From: ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Predictions, anyone?
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:45:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Yale University

Nah. Dolphins will meet the Chiefs in the AFC Championship.
The Cowboys (Dallas, You're welcome! We aim to please! Take good care of
Jimmy Johnson for us! Love, Miami :-) will meet the Eagles.

I know, same division, but they're both sweet teams.

And it will be 

The Chiefs (Gaakk!) vs The Eagles in the FINAL

I remember that close game between the Chiefs and the Dolphins in the
playoffs two years ago (?), and I know those guys have every reason to play
their hardest when they do meet. Of course, I still have confidence the
Dolphins will win. Come on folks! I got to feel like the Dolphins surpassed
my expectations when they win this thing.

--
Eugene "Mos Eisley" Ahn     ahn@suncis.cis.yale.edu
"What did you think of that reply?"
"No sir. I don't like it."
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: The FISH EAT BUFFALFO MEAT!
Keywords: FISH EAT BUFFALO BILLS!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:49:04 GMT

In article <BvMDLn.76z@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.201453.2655@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes...
>>And No, before the Buffalo fanatics go beserk. My comments
>>are not in retribution for the Bills outscoring the Niners
>>earlier this year.
>
>Oh...no John, all of us can appreciate your complete objectivity in the
>previous comments. We wouldn't want to accuse you of sour grapes, now
>would we?
>
>
>Doug
>
Thank you for noticing. Amazingly you show exhibited alot of
restraint. Let's be honest, I am, what part of my report did
you object to, besides the score?  If you remember my posts
regarding the Bill win over the 49ers, I gave credit where
credit was due. I am actually am showing alot more restraint 
than most OR some of the Bill fanatics. If you want a flame
started, then it is your turn, if not, please accept the defeat
of the Bills by a Superior Miami TEAM. Like Kelly said on
his postgame interview: "We got our ASS kicked, point blank",
or something to that effect. In fact, none of the Bills were
whining (the PLAYERS that is) and I respect that. I hope YOU
Bills fans follow suit and swallow your pride.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
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From: zayas@satchmo.rtp.dg.com (Mike Zayas)
Subject: OKOYE playing time
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:18:58 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC


Is there any reason, other than that Barry Word is having a good
season, why Okoye isn't getting more playing time? Whats the word
out of KC? For his one series on MNF he looked like vintage Nightmare.

Please respond
quickly, as I am debating whether or not to start him for my 
Fantasy Football Melbourne Manatees. Thanks.
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: status of Michael Haynes, ATL
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:16:27 GMT

I've seen this asked before, but have yet to see a response.
Someone out there must know what's happening with the guy.
Does it look like he's going to play this week or what?
Thanks for the info.
Jason Gische
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Subject: Re: Bring on the FISH / witty Miami fans
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:15:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.145737@IASTATE.EDU>
rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Sep30.173829.21855@cs.ucf.edu>, tech@maitland.cs.ucf.edu (Tony
>Travaglini) writes:
>> In article <BvAwz1.5rx@acsu.buffalo.edu> SFRELIAS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>> ......................
>
>> A fine choice. When the spelling portion of this
>> gentleman's brain thaws, we Fin fans could be in for a woofing
>> extravaganza.
>
>What the hell, lets woof now!
>
>> It's that time of the year. Yes, squish the fish postings will
>> be winging their way through these little wires, into our homes and
>> hearts once again. Flo fans have spent the better part of the week
>> smiling at each other, green teeth flashing in what passes for
>> sunshine up there, chipping off hunks of beer, passing the.... well we
>> know what they pass best don't we.... Let us just say, they're ready.
 
     What is this?  I'll take my intact home in the cold great lakes
region any day.
 
 
 
 
 
>> They`re talking, and humming, and just happy as shit.
>>
>> And for the most part, we're ready too. We`re warming up the old
>> standby's about Jimbo panties, recalling that Marv runs like a girl,
>> wondering just where Teg stores jimbos balls (I'm particularly proud
>> of this one). Or better yet, where Teg`s wife stores them.
 
      I'd like to tell you where I store my balls.  Better yet, just
ask your wife.
>> and squinting every now and then. But we're ready.
>>
>> We're ready because we've been handed ammunition. You see, I, like most
>> Fin fans, have been looking forward to this game since last year. I
 
        I can imagine you've been looking forward to this. The Bills
whooped the 'Fins pretty hard last year - twice.
 
>> wondering if the heavens will part and God will look down on us Fin
>> fans and, smiling, reach down and give jimbo the wedgie of
>> his life. A wedgie so bad that that little embroidered Sunday is
>> forced to introduce itself to jimbos gonad.
 
       This will be the only way that the 'Fins will win. Divine
intervention.
>This is the funniest post I've ever read on r.s.f.p - I don't think
>the Buffalo fans can match it - they haven't the wit.
>
>>
>> HA, I counter. WE don't play on the field! WE play here. Here in
>> r.s.f.p.
>
>And Fish fans are already 2 TD's and a FG up, thanks to TONY.
>
>BTW my favorite nickname for the Bills is "the chips"
>(A word of explanation :
> Buffalo chips = Buffalo dung - which by the way was
> a source of fuel for settlers in the plains and for
> tailgaters at Buffalo home games)
  Oh, tee-hee, history related joke. You're a real comedian.
>Richard Turner
>
>(May the fleas of a thousand camels
> infest the TEGGERS armpits (and other
> unmentionables) and then may his fingers
> fall off so he cannot scratch them)
>
 Here's to a great game on sunday, if you are a Bills fan.
>
Tom Steegmann
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills Humbled...(Re: Bring the Fish)
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20937
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Shula's Dolphins are now 4-0 by upsetting Kelly's Bills.
Bring in the Buffalos eh..-):-)......what a blow out....

As much as I dislike the fish they look scary to me. Can they turn the
heat on some NFC teams too....looks to be seen.

BTW, the Rams brought the 9ers and their fans back to earth and if not
for the 2 crucial fumbles, we would have been talking 
on an upset here.  The 9ers D looks suspect. But the
underdog Rams played a spirited game.

Also the last I heard, the Skins were in trouble with
the Cardinals.....Wish the Cards pull an upset.

What a victory for the Vikes over the Ditka-Bears and Oh... Tampa
Bay...The Colts got u at home......(unbeleivable).  Atlanta
stops the honey-moon ride of the Packer's young QB and the
Raiders of the lost cause finally squeak in their first
win of the season by beating the Gaints. The Lions......
are back to the cellar after losing to the Saints....


Now looking forward for MNF( COWBOYS VS> EAGLES)
S.H
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: question
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:09:26 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <Ueml4qO00YV702Voxd@andrew.cmu.edu>, ic1a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian Chan) writes:

>1)  which were the strongest teams in the early 80s? 

For the purposes of this question, I will consider the early 80's to be
1980-84 (Super Bowls 15-19).
  In the AFC, the Raiders were the main power.  They won supes XV and XVIII,
and are in fact the last AFC team to win it all.  They made the playoff four
out of five of these years.  Their main competition in the AFC West was
San Diego.  In the Central, the Steelers made the playoffs a couple of times,
as did the Browns, but the Bengals made supes XVI.  In the east, the Dolphins
were the best team.  They made supes XVII and XIX
   In the NFC, the 49ers made their rise to power.  They won Supes XVI and XIX.
The Rams were also a consistent playoff team.  The Redskins and Cowboys
usually battled for the NFC East crown, though the Eagles snuck through in
80-81 and made it to the superbowl.  The Skins won supes XVII, and lost to the
Raiders the next year.  The NFC central was terrible.  Minnesota was usually
the winner there.

>2) & what where the strong points of these teams? (ie strong passing
>attack, good run defense, all round consistency, etc 
>3) who were the star players?

  The Raiders won with: QB heroics of Jim Plunkett (my hero!); speed of WR
Cliff Branch and consistency of TE Todd Christensen;  versatility of RB
Marcus Allen (XVIII MVP); vicious defensive line anchored by Howie Long
and Lyle Alzado; good linebacking corps with Rod Martin and Ted Hendricks;
solid offensive line anchored by Gene Upshaw (XV) and Art Shell (XV); and most
of all, the best defensive backfield in the game: Lester Hayes, Vann McElroy
Mike Davis and Mike Haynes (XVIII)
  The Skins won with a great receiving corps (Monk, Brown, Garrett, Wonsley),
the best offensive line in football, quality QB Joe Theismann, and power
runner John Riggins.  DE Dave Butz anchored the defense.  Mark Moseley was
one of the best K in the game and pulled a lot of games out for them.
  The Niners were led by (who else?) Joe Montana, WR Dwight Clark, Roger Craig
(in XIX--in XVI they were the first team to win it all with absolutely no
running game) and other notables who escape me at present.
  All the superbowl winners had great QB's and aggressive defenses.  They 
all had exciting, pass-oriented offenses.  With the exception of the niners
in XVI, they all had power runners who could get 5 yards on first down, setting
up the passing game.


	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner
From: v070q285@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jacob L Goldman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Need to trade a TE on Fantasy team any suggestions
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



My fantasy team has Ed West as its tight end.  He isn't doing anything this
year.  I want to get someone new.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
The following players are already taken:
Pete Metzelaars(BUF)
Butch Rolle(PHO)
Keith McKeller(BUF)
Keith Jackson(MIA)
Ferall Edmunds(MIA)
Ethan Horton(RAI)
Brent Jones(S.F.)
Marv Cook(N.E.)
Eric Green(PIT)
Steve Jordan(MINN)
Jay Novacek(DAL)
Your help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.  Please reply by E-mail.

Thank you,

Jacob
From: jason@cray.com (Jason Parker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Minnesota Vikings Stats Wk4
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:40:06 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

TEAM
Minnesota Vikings (3-1)

GAME SUMMARY

          Minnesota   Cincinnati*
Pts       42          7
Rushing   31-106      28-113
Pass Att  28-38-0     12-25-4
Pass Yds  317         65
Fum Lost  0           0
Poss      35:41       24:19

PASSING
Gannon     25-32-0 318 4P
Salisbury  3-6-0 32

RUSHING
T. Allen  11-40 TT
Craig      6-24
Gannon     4-23
Henderson  4-11
A. Carter  3-9
Nelson     3-(-1)

RECEIVING
C. Carter 11-124 TT
T. Allen  5-64 T
A. Carter 3-39
Jordan    3-19
Jones     2-65 T
Johnston  2-20
Reed      2-19

KICKING
Reveiz 6X

SACKS
Doleman 2
Randle  1
Thomas  1
Noga    1

INTERCEPTIONS
Scott     3
McMillian 1

INJURIES
(don't know of any)

SUMMARY NOTES
Vikings dominated in every facet.

OTHER NOTES 
*= Home team
P= Touchdown Pass Thrown
T= Touchdowns Scored
F= Field Goal Scored (number in parens is distance)
X= Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions,attempts,interceptions, TD passes
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This posting follows the proposed format of the NFL TEAM STAT PROJECT
Contact Jason Parker - jason@cray.com to sign-up and enter your
favorite team.
From: sxs28@po.CWRU.Edu (Sanjay Srivastava)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers sign Free agent
Date: 26 Sep 1992 18:51:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: sxs28@po.CWRU.Edu (Sanjay Srivastava)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  Just heard on CBS that the 49ers are about to sign that
Free agent  DE from New England (Missed his name). Guess this
means that most of these 4 Free agents will get signed -
another victory for the Players.  It also shows that the NFL
owners may not be sticking together against the present crisis.
I believe that there was some talk of the owners not showing
any interest in these 4 guys so as to show the players what they
are up against.
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