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From: janet@ntmtv.UUCP (Janet Jakstys)
Subject: Those small Christmas Trees...
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:50:50 GMT

Hey, you know those small potted live trees places like Long's Drugs
are selling right now with miniture ornaments on them?  Does anybody
know what kind of tree it is?  Seems like they could be good potential
Bonsai material, at least something to practice pruning techniques on...
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From: muenx@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Holger Muenx)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Elm has developed very light green leaves
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:43:02 GMT
Organization: University of Dortmund, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de


Guten Tag!

My little Chinese Elm dropped most of it's leaves during autumn, maybe
because it is too warm in the room where it is placed (>20 degrees Celsius).

A few weeks ago it started to develop new leaves: They are very light green.
The tree drops some of the new leaves now, showing weird yellow and
nearly white areas on the leaves which looks very different from ordinary
dead leaves.

In a Bonsai shop I have heard that there is the danger of a mite invasion
on this poor little tree (after dropping it's leaves and growing new ones
in a too warm room) and I am wondering if the observations as described
above are the first signs of the mite's evil work and how can I stop them.

If you have any idea what is wrong with the Elm please tell me; every
information is appreciated. Thank you in advance!

                                                  -Holger

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From: jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Bonsai books for a beginner?
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:32:01 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec28.173700.23037@rational.com> kdm@Rational.COM (Kent Mitchell) writes:
>I know this is probably part of the FAQ but damn if I did not loose my copy
>of the FAQ (the old "I don't need that directory of junk any more"
>syndrome).  Can anyone suggest some good books on the care of Bonsai.  I
>just received a very nice juniper for x-mas and I want to take care of it
>right.
>
>Also, any suggestions on books show differing styles and other information
>to be used for my for general education would be appreciated.
>

This is real interesting, for I,too, got a juniper Bonsai for Christmas.
My wife also got me a starter toolset and a Beginner's book on Indoor
Bonsai. The author's name was Rice or Price. I found the book lacking
and I believe that it is because it an UK book aimed at Bonsai clubs or
societies. It's really depressing to read in the book that I should buy
"Innes No. 2" potting soil.

I went to some on the local bookstores and found that Bonsai books can
be very expensive and I begin to debate whether I should buy another
book or another Bonsai! I did find that some of the local Used Books
stores had a few books on Bonsai, but they were either German
translations or UK books again. In the retail bookstores, the cheapest
ones seem to be from the Brooklyn Botanlogical(?) Gardens. They are
reasonably priced and seem to be complete. It seems that Bonsai is
divided into a number of camps: indoor, outdoor, Asian plants and
Non-Asian plants. With these choices, you can have a hobby that can be
expensive or inexpensive. 

An interesting side note. My wife bought the Bonsai from a local Korean
Church and the book and tools from a Bonsai shop. I went back to the
shop and asked to trade in the book from a more Americanized one and was
refused. They said that they make no refunds on books. I'll be shopping
elsewhere.

I'm looking for a good book on how to prune them, most of what I have
read say to prune them until they look the way you want them to be. Now
all I have to do is to figure out what I want it to look like. 

I'm very interested in what your plans are. Do you intend to just do with one
plant or get more?

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jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org                                (214) 235-7161 x4100
John E. Spence                                                  CompuTrac, Inc.
"I don't speak for CompuTrac, and CompuTrac doesn't speak for me!"
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: bonsaied fruit trees
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 03:13:26 GMT

I am an avid fruitgrower (fanatical hobbyist) with a longtime fascination
for bonsai (and completely intimidated by it.)

Are there any special skills/techniques required for turning fruit trees
into bonsai?  Any problems (other than the hugeness of certain fruits against
the smallness of a bonsai) to be encountered?

I am aware that fruit bonsai could be limited to small-fruited/leafed
species such as kumquats and natal plum but I am interested in in trying
other things.  Can bonsai be on a slightly larger scale and still be 
considered bonsai?  (i.e. large enough so that oranges or apples
would not look ridiculously huge).

Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: treese@lcs.mit.edu (Win Treese)
Subject: where to see bonsai in San Diego
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:40:34 GMT


I'm going to be visiting San Diego in a couple of weeks, and I was
wondering if there were any good displays or nurseries to visit there
or in the general area.

Any information would be appreciated; send me mail and I'll summarize.

Thanks.

Win Treese
MIT Laboratory for Computer Science                  DEC Cambridge Research Lab
treese@lcs.mit.edu                                   treese@crl.dec.com
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: bonsaied fruit trees
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:38:24 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <1993Jan1.031326.5774@math.ucla.edu> ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) writes:
|I am an avid fruitgrower (fanatical hobbyist) with a longtime fascination
|for bonsai (and completely intimidated by it.)
|
|Are there any special skills/techniques required for turning fruit trees
|into bonsai?  Any problems (other than the hugeness of certain fruits against
|the smallness of a bonsai) to be encountered?
|
|I am aware that fruit bonsai could be limited to small-fruited/leafed
|species such as kumquats and natal plum but I am interested in in trying
|other things.  Can bonsai be on a slightly larger scale and still be 
|considered bonsai?  (i.e. large enough so that oranges or apples
|would not look ridiculously huge).

I saw a bonsai apple tree about 12" high, with one single normal-sized
apple on it.  It didn't look ridiculously huge at all.  It was this tree
that motivated me to get into bonsai.

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
	"Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change"
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: moreland@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Linda Moreland)
Subject: Re: Can it be made into a Bonsai?
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.192931.3315@rational.com> kdm@Rational.COM (Kent Mitchell) writes:
>My wife bought a little miniature x-mas tree at the local drug store here
>in the San Francisco USA area.  This was a stupis little tree with
>decorations on it and cost her a whole $2.  Since x-mas is over and she no
>longer has any interest in the tree she has donated it to me for Bonsai
>experimentation.  The tag attached say that it is a "false cypress" and
>that it is "native the the pacific north-west".  It goes on to state that
>the trees are "popular in Europe" and miniature x-mas trees.  This could
>all be marketing but here are my questions.
>
>1. Has anyone ever heard of a False Cypress

Yes, I have several varieties of false cypress.  They are one of my
favorites because they are very hardy, and make wonderful bonsai.  Along
with serissas and chinese elms, they are one of the bonsai varieties
that I give away as gifts to introduce bonsai.  

>2. Can this tree be used in Bonsai

Yes.

>3. If yes to the above, how is it usually styled?

Any style.  Usually formal upright, groves, etc.

>
>Thanks in advance for any help provided,
>
>Kent Mitchell
>Rational
>---
>My views are my own
>
>


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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller)
Subject: Re: Again, what is bonsai?
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 14:59:29 GMT

>Subject: Again, what is bonsai?
>
>Hello!!
>I'm very sorry I always say "I'll post soon," but I haven't yet.
>
>Now, I have a question:
>In Japan, BONSAI means small trees grown in pots.
>In English, does the word BONSAI have exactly the same meaning in Japan?
>or, Is it include flowers in a pot, or big trees grown on the ground?
>
>Sorry this is a very basic question:-/
>
>Megumi Sorita
>sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp
>

The usual meaning in English is the same as in Japanese because the concept 
as well as the word were taken from Japanese.  Big trees in the ground 
would not be called BONSAI.  Normal flowers in a pot would not be called 
BONSAI, however, if a woody flowering plant which was usually allowed to 
grow freely in a pot were to be pruned and treated like a BONSAI tree, it 
might be called a BONSAI by some people.  Other people might not consider 
such a plant a BONSAI.

Perhaps I remember that certain styles of growning chrysanthemum plants in 
pots in Japan are called bonsai, or perhaps my memory is wrong here.  
Please clarify.

--Jill

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: Roses Trees?
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:24:39 +0000

In article <BzIJny.GpD@ecf.toronto.edu>, scriven@ecf.toronto.edu (SCRIVEN ADAM) writes:
|> I'm relatively new to the Bonsai world, and i was wondering if
|> anyone had bonsaied a rose tree?
|> 
|> It seems to me that it would make a good looking bonsai, with a few
|> small flowers to set off the shape.
|> 
|> Adam  (scriven@ecf.utoronto.ca)
|> 

There is no reason why not, but I have never seen many examples. 
Miniature roses in particular seem suitable to make into small indoor
bonsai.

You might have a problem finding suitable material though. Roses are 
usually pruned back very hard to stop them getting straggly. The pruning
marks are often very unsightly (IMO).

If you can find the right specimen, go for it!

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller)
Subject: Re: HELP! SMALL BROWN BUGS
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:29:36 GMT

tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ("Sod the proles!") asks:

>Last week I discovered some small light brown spots on my umbrella plant. They
>formed slightly raised bumps. I scraped one off and discovered it seemed to be
>the shell of some insect (quite small -- only slightly larger than the head of
>a pin) and I could see legs. I have not observed any of these moving. I washed
>all I could find off my umbrella plant and crossed my fingers.

>Today I discovered more of them, many more, on my shamrock (which lives above
--stuff deleted--
>babies are in danger and whether I should just throw out the shamrock now?
>(it's pretty sickly and I've got propagations from it already that could
>replace it.)
>
>Also, while you're all here:-)
>Does anyone else have a problem with sap from a ficus benjamina? I've never
>heard of it before but mine (4') is making quite a mess of the rug. I do try to
>shower it frequently but that seems to almost encourage more sap production.I'd
>like it to put out more leaves and less sap.
>
>Maybe the sap is attracting the buggy things. The gnats certainly pay no
>attention to it -- they're just here for the aralia.
>
>Thanks,
>judith

Sounds like you have scale insects.  They may also be causing the sap from 
your ficus.  They are very difficult to get rid of.  Wash the whole plant 
often (every 2 weeks?) with soapy water.  If you can't get rid of them sack 
the plants.  Sorry.

--Jill

P.S.  rec.gardens may be able to help with more specific information.  
There are some really knowledgable people over there.

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: kdm@Rational.COM (Kent Mitchell)
Subject: Can it be made into a Bonsai?
Organization: Rational
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:29:31 GMT

My wife bought a little miniature x-mas tree at the local drug store here
in the San Francisco USA area.  This was a stupis little tree with
decorations on it and cost her a whole $2.  Since x-mas is over and she no
longer has any interest in the tree she has donated it to me for Bonsai
experimentation.  The tag attached say that it is a "false cypress" and
that it is "native the the pacific north-west".  It goes on to state that
the trees are "popular in Europe" and miniature x-mas trees.  This could
all be marketing but here are my questions.

1. Has anyone ever heard of a False Cypress
2. Can this tree be used in Bonsai
3. If yes to the above, how is it usually styled?

Thanks in advance for any help provided,

Kent Mitchell
Rational
---
My views are my own
From: rkn@Apple.COM (Richard K. Nordin)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Again, what is bonsai?
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:50:12 GMT
Distribution: alt.bonsai
Organization: Cybernetic Arts

In article <SORITA.92Dec23122742@qdn.fhl.fujitsu.co.jp> sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp (Megumi Sorita) writes:
>
>Now, I have a question:
>In Japan, BONSAI means small trees grown in pots.
>In English, does the word BONSAI have exactly the same meaning in Japan?
>or, Is it include flowers in a pot, or big trees grown on the ground?

Well, ask the average American, and you'll probably learn it's a 
Japanese battle cry. Of course they are thinking of "banzai".

But, if you provide a little context, or ask someone familiar with plants,
you'll usually get the "small trees in pots" answer.

Since bonsai is an imported art, though, and we are less constrained by
tradition, we get to play a little loose with the definition. Hence, the
recent post about bonsai corn (maize). If it works, if it's art, call it
bonsai, or perhaps more properly, inspired by bonsai. When the bug hits,
after doing some bonsai of more traditional material, one begins to wonder
what the technique would do for local specimens. And some of those
experiments can be well off the beaten path. For the most part, though,
trees, shrubs, and other woody plants are the subjects of bonsai.

I doubt that very many English speakers would think of a pot of flowers or
a large tree in the ground when they hear the word "bonsai". Relax. We
won't totally corrupt the art form you have so generously shared with
the rest of the world.
-- 

Hud Nordin
Cybernetic Arts                rkn@apple.com
Post Office Box 2066           Telephone: 408.248.0377
Sunnyvale, California 94087    Facsimile: 408.248.0416
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,pnw.general
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Organization: a gora
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:56:08 GMT

In article <2377@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>
>	"eliminating Social Security Benefits for just one year would
>	completely pay for the deficit."
>
>Yes, but those benefits are paid completely out of FICA payroll taxes,
>i.e., taxes that -- in theory -- are earmarked to pay these benefits.
>
>If the feds did their accounting honestly, the Social Security income
>and payments would be on a separate budget and wouldn't be part of this
>discussion.


  I don't see how that would make the overall picture more honest.
As you point out, FICA taxes are earmarked in theory, but in practice,
as the Supreme Court has made clear, they are just one more source
of revenue.

Newsgroups: alt.wais
From: lief@pegasus.rice.edu (Eugene Lief)
Subject: Info-bases of vacancies?
Originator: lief@zeno
Organization: Dept. of Space Physics & Astronomy, Rice U., Houston
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:46:19 GMT


Hi folks:

does anybody know which source files contain vacancies available? I've got
only one with positions in astronomy only.

Thank you very much in advance.


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Newsgroups: alt.wais
From: cnolan@alex (chris nolan)
Subject: WAIS server requirements
Organization: Trinity University, San Antonio TX, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:00:25 GMT

May I ask a basic question as someone new to thinking about WAIS?  Since
WAIS allows one to index the full-text of a document, does it also create
an inverted index that facilitates searching the document?  If so, I
would assume that such indexing would require a large amount of disk
storage.  Is there some formula one can use to determine how much disk
space would be necessary to store a text file and any accompanying indexes?

On the other hand, if WAIS does not create a separate index file, how does
one calculate the necessary space needed?  Thanks for any input here!

Chris Nolan
Trinity University
cnolan@trinity.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: WILD
Keywords: lucid dream induction
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:41:15 GMT

bdd@onion.eng.hou.compaq.com (Bruce D. Davis) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.191312.1243@seq.uncwil.edu> you write:

>>Up until now all of my lucid dreams have been spontaneous and
>>I don't always remember what I wanted to do.  In fact, much of
>>my lucidity has been wasted on trying to decide what to do.
>>

>a nit:
>i don't believe they're actually 'spontaneous'; your conscious mind
>just doesn't know their origin! they have a 'cause' which originates
>in the unconscious if you will...

Good point.  Part of my research has been to seek out these 'causes'
and note them.  While many induction methods work well under the
right conditions, it now seems to me that hypnagogia is the best way
to reliably re-enter the lucid dream

>>I mean, hey, when your's omnipotent it can be rather daunting,
>>right?  (Anybody see ST:TNG "Q-Me?")...
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                           huh?

Oh, please excuse my brief reference.  Only us "trekkies" would pick
right up on it...  I was referring to the Star Trek:  The Next
Generation (ST:STNG) episode entitled "Q-Me" which is about a race
of god-like omnipotent beings.  In this episode, a normal "appearing"
human female learns that she is one of the omnipotent "Q-continuum."
She notes that this knowledged of omnipotence can be rather daunting,
as is this knowledge within the lucid dreamstate, hence my reference.


>>Anyway, by using the Tibetan technique of visualizing a 
>>concrete form, I was able to follow this form back into the 
>>dream.  It was incredible and I really feel like I can do 
>>this anytime I want to now.  Has anyone else been working with
>>this technique?

>this is also useful for OOBEs. we usually visualize a window
                                ^^
What do you mean we?  Have you been successful with oobe induction?
Please elucidate on your technique.


>the movie _Dreamscape_ (Dennis Quade, Eddie Albert, Chris Plummer and Kate Kapshaw)
>is pretty much (hollywood's) definitive work on lucid dreams. fairly well done...


Ah yes, excellent movie.  I have seen it a number of times.  I think it
has the best footage of REM in the sleep lab that I have ever seen.

Once of the premises of the movie which I just saw repeated in last
week's episode of "Beyond Reality" is the concept of "matching" EEG
traces with another to enter the other's dream.  While it is fictional,
and quite interesting, our knowledge of brain waves doesn't come near
this close yet.  Hollywood has a way of jumping the gun.

>bruce (spin doktor)

Michael Shea (brownt@seq.uncwil.edu)
From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dream re-entry (was Re:WILD)
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:47:24 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Wed 23 Dec 92  8:52, Kester@carson.u.washington.edu (bil
wrote:

 K> experience.  I felt it was a tremendous breakthrough, but only one
 K> person
 K> out of many I talked to about it seemed to understand the
 K> significance.  A 

How could anyone not see the significance of someones first LD?  I think
it's fantastic hearing about the feelings that this can generate in
someone.

 K> will an abrupt change in your surroundings, your brain again becomes
 K> too 
 K> taxed and you kick yourself out of the dream.  It's better to allow

Strange.  A couple of months ago now I had a *really* strong LD.  I was
walking along a street with tall buildings on either side of me.  There was
a slight breeze blowing.  A trike was wheeling its way towards me and I
thought..."Now that's odd...I'll do a reality check and make the bike turn
around."  Naturally enought the bike turned and I realised that I was
dreaming.  I flew up to the top of one of the buildings
and...literally...disintegrated my sorroundings.  It was like the whole
thing just shattered and became the scene I wanted...my dream place which
is a forest grove with a waterfall with the most pure blue water you've
ever seen!

Yeh, like you I haven't had many lucid dreams lately, although I've been
fairly run down.  I just haven't had the time to put into it that I'd like.
But I am on holidays now so I should be able to give over some time to
getting the skills back...hopefully!

cheers,
              ...pEtE...{#->


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