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From: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Kentucky Mash'ed Louisville
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Fifth Dimension - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 

Ray Horton wrote:
-> Before I answer my first Louisville basketball trivia question I'll
-> ask another:  Who was the Card's starting center in '84-'85 (in
-> between the years of Charles Jones and Pervis Ellison)?

-> SP>Barry Sumpter????  Or is my memory really fading? <grin>

-> Right!  You win:  A NEW CAR!!!  (It's sitting out back of my house on
-> blocks - come over and tow it away anytime you want.)  ;)

OK, everyone.....You have now witnessed what I just won!!!!!!!!

Where do I pick it up,  Ray?  <big wide smile>

....Gil

gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com
                                     
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Ohio State Buckeye Leaf (was: Re: UNC versus Ohio State(late))
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:48:00 GMT

doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:


>Orid Day writes:

>> In article <1992Dec28.223451.3429@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)  
>> writes:
>> > Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > >However, Brutus, the Buckeye mascot (old style football player with a
>> > >Buckeye head) has to go.  Makes me think UNC's angry sheep is attractive.
>> 
>> > I'm a Buckeye alum and agree 100% about Brutus being given a pink slip.
>> > But hey, what can you expect from a school that has a mascot which is the
>> > state tree?  I ALWAYS hated Brutus Buckeye, but OSU thinks he/she is
>> > great.  Oh well . . . 
>> 
>> Is is the State Tree?  I thought it was a nut...

>Actually, it's both.  The Buckeye nut comes from the Buckeye tree (just as
>an applee comes from an apple tree).  The state tree of Ohio is indeed the
>Buckeye tree.  I don't know if there's a state nut (references to Howard
>Metzenbaum deleted), but if there is I suspect it's also the Buckeye.

>Most of the time, when people wish to display that they are Ohio State
>Buckeyes, they use the nut form - occasionally with the leaf from the tree
>(which looks very much like a marijuana leaf from what I've been told).


The Buckeye leaf DOES resemble a marijuana leaf quite a bit, so much so that
whenever I wear Ohio State paraphenalia which has the Buckeye leaf on it,
people always ask me why I'm wearing a marijuana leaf.  Oh well . . . 

allen
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Bobby Hurley
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:30:38 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Dec18.181813.25844@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jdd@wheezer.wustl.edu (John DeHart) writes:
>>I know that Philly's Simon Gratz high school 
>>(where Rasheed Wallace goes) requires its hoops team to be on the cross-country team.  
>Is this really true? How can they possibly REQUIRE this? Thats taking spots on
>the cross-country team from kids who might actually WANT to run cross-country.
>And what if an athlete wanted to play football and basketball?

 According to the article in McNews, hoops players at Gratz are also on the
track team.  I don't know how large Gratz is, so I don't know if the
hoops-track connection squeezes out budding track stars.  I do get the feeling
that basketball is the #1 sport at Gratz, so it would overrule other athletic
ventures.
  I guess it works; USA Today ranks them as #1 in the country.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"I've been your dog ever since I've been your man."--Son House
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Michigan 79  -  North Carolina 78
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:37:30 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>>Is Dean Smith's 10-player rotation any better than the 7- or 8-player 
>>rotation that several top college teams are using?  I'll like to hear 
>>comments from both sides.
>

I think the 10-player rotation was perfect for this tournament.
After travelling all the way to Hawaii and then playing two
nights in a row, it would seem that you'd need 10 players MINIMUM
to get through to the final round.
 
I also saw the game and would have to say it was even. Both teams
turned the ball over, missed their first half shots, made great
transition baskets and played tough defense.  Both made 8-0 runs
in each half and, at times, looked tremendous.  Dean Smith made
some great decisions (ie. 3-2 zone) but I think it was mostly luck
(Rose and Webber) that decided this one.
 
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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: Michigan 79  -  North Carolina 78
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:45:27 GMT

Steve Williams:

> Question: How many players does Michigan Coach Fisher use in his
> rotation? Is Dean Smith's 10-player rotation any better than the 7- or
> 8-player  rotation that several top college teams are using?  I'll like
> to hear  comments from both sides.

I've never been a real fan of his rotation system, but that is not the
consensus around here. I just remember guys like Laettner and Webber, that
play most of the game, and those are the guys that wins games for you. 

> How was UNC's defense against Michigan, particular Webber, Howard, and
> Rose?  I expected Dean Smith to come up with a defensive plan to shut 
> Webber and Rose out of the game, but I guess he didn't....

The defense, even in the first half, was pretty good. They pressured the
ball, and outrebounded Michigan. It was turnovers and poor shots that
really hurt the Heels. Of course, this is how I saw it, so don't take it
as gospel. A good example was when Phelps stole the ball near mid-court
from Rose, and drove to the basket. What does he do? He tries to JAM over
Riley, and subsequently got rejected. It was plays like that, that really
hurt. There was a strecth there in the second half when the score was UNC
58 UM 56, and the Heels had plenty of chances to build on the lead, but
they couldn't do it. George Lynch disappeared in the second half, after
having a great first half (11 pts, and 11 boards).

> From the early score shown on the ESPN channel, it looked like UNC had
> another slow start in the Michigan game.  Was this true?  Did UNC play
> a full 40-minute game, or did UNC come to life in the second half?

Yes, the first half was terrible for UNC. They were lucky to stay as close
as they did (thanks to their D). The start of the second half was kinda
like the start of the second half at Ohio State. They seemed poised to
take over the game. It was a good game to watch, because the ending was so
wild. The Heels almost stole the inbounds pass (that would have secured a
win), and then with time running out, Rose made a pretty tip in with
Howard all over his back. Howard almost took the ball out of Jalen's
hands. It looked like Reese could have blocked Jalen out, preventing the
tip in, but from TV, it's hard to really say if that was true or not.

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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: BYU avoids upset!!??
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 10:14:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.115158.1@cc.uvcc.edu> maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>
>I also am a fan of Duke's great program.  It would be a win-win
>situation for BYU to play Duke.  Indeed, playing a Duke, or Arizona
>(in Utah's case), let's teams know how they stack up against great teams.

It's not exactly clear whether this year's Duke team is "great", but methinks
the verdict on this year's Arizona team is clear...

- Trent Lange

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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Bobby Hurley
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<8265@news.duke.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:15:36 GMT

In article <8265@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) wrote:
>   I don't think he's as strong as Anderson.  

Really?  I don't have anything to base strength evaluations, but Anderson
looks like a flyweight out there, ready to be blown away by the first gust
of wind.  Hurley looks a lot sturdier.

> In fact, I view strength, not
> speed, as Hurley's major liability.  The strongest part of his body are his
> wrists, but considering his position, that's not much of a problem.

It's not like he's going to be required to box out Karl Malone.  I think
"strength" = "stamina" for a guard, and we've all agreed he has plenty of
that.

The biggest question is the one that was originally raised: is he going to
be a good enough outside shooter in the NBA, especially when he gets paired
up night after night with players nearly as quick.  Otherwise, he's doomed
to Rod Strickland-dom.  Which isn't bad, just not All-Star level.
____________________________
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	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami)
Subject: Re: LSU-Stanford results??
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:28:56 GMT

kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>LSU 72  Stanford 63
> [...] I don't know how good
>LSU is, but this sounds like at step forward for Stanford,

LSU was without its starting backcourt, I think.  If I understand
correctly, one of them was suspended after some very cheesy
confrontation with Dale Brown (like, ``if you think you're better than
evberyone else than leave,'' and the player left).

This was the first Stanford game I saw this year, and lemme tell you
-- these guys may be young and inexperienced, they may not have a lot
of size or great speed, they are not great shooters, but they have,
well, they do, er, they are, uh... well, they suck.

The game plan is to play half-court, even though the big guys are really
weak.  True, it's not hard to look weak near Geert Hammink, but
please.  So Peter Dukes gets guarded closely and cannot fire his
threes.  Brent Williams, who actually had a decent game yesterday, is
supposed to be the go-to guy, but it didn't seem like they ran many
plays for him.  He ends up shooting a lot of mid- and long-range
jumpers, which doesn't make defenders work too hard.

The surprising thing to me is, they look half-decent on the fast
break.  And they can still execute a good alley-oop or backdoor cut on
occasion.  But what they kept doing, instead, is play a very
methodical, slow, boring half-court set that usually ended with a
jumper behind a half-assed screen.

But still, they had their moments and hung tough.  So if the Pac-10(*)
is as bad as everyone says, then maybe the Cardinal can be middle-
of-the-pack.  But on every objective scale I would say they SDDD.


--Gidi


(*) Excluding, of course: Arizona, UCLA, and UC-Kidd.


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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Re: Purdue is THE Indiana school
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:41:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.214638.21465@oakhill.sps.mot.com> duane@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Duane Cripe) writes:
>Let's not get too cocky Boiler fans - we're known for NOT going beyond the
>2nd round in the NCAA.  Not the mention, the Big Ten season hasn't even
>started yet.  Asside from that, it should be pointed out that Purdue is
>really THE Indiana university.  The "other" university just happens to be
>named after the state.  :-)

   You mean Purdue is in Indiana???  Wow!  Welcome, guys!

-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: UNC-OSU Game (Re: Tarheels--outside shooting?)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:59:22 GMT

Steve Williams:

> UNC certainly didn't look like a #5 team in the first half with too 
> many turnovers, missed shots, and silly fouls.  I didn't see any point
> guard controlling the UNC offense -  several players seemed to alternate
> at this role.  Also, OSU was able to penetrate UNC's defense easily in
> the first half.

The thing IMHO that really hurt the Heels in that first half, was the full
court press. They were getting burned by it. It was not effective. In
their half court D, they forced something like 4 "5 second" calls. Their D
was good, but their full court D was not. Also, as far as you comment
about no point guard controlling the offense because of the substitions, I
agree too. Dean subs too much if you ask me, but that doesn't prove squat.
Free throws (missed ones that is) hurt too, and Paparo is the most whistle
happy official in the ACC. Big Ten officials seem to let them play harder.
Ohio St. definetly played above themselves in the first half. (bias mode
off) :-)

> I'm afraid that UNC has some other problems beside its outside shooting.

One game, and Valvano's post game remarks doesn't mean they lack outside
shooting. Ohio St. extended their defense and as a result, UNC was able to
get backdoor cuts and lots of points in the paint. Ohio St. was defending
the outside shot, and therefore the inside game was "available."

> Also, UNC needs to start playing 
> full 40 minutes of solid basketball in each game if UNC is going to 
> stay in the Top 5.

This can be said of any team. I do agree that they have shown a propensity
over the years to start slow or go brain dead in the middle of a game, but
I thought they played very well (55% from the field) in the first half.
They were challenged, and they didn't bow their heads and fold. I think
that instead of saying UNC should have played harder or smarter (their D
was intense), you should give a lot of credit to OSU for playing as tough
as they did. This was a good test, and I am pleased with the results. I'm
also a little biased, so I may have seen it a little differently.

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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Michigan 86  -  Kansas 74
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 13:58:17 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Dec31.083919.1076@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:
|> It is approx. 3:30am EST
|> 
|> The Michigan Wolverines just won their third game in three nights
|> Nebraska (formerly #17),
|> North Carolina (formerly #5), and
|> Kansas (formerly #2)
|> 
|> In the first half both teams looked tired. Michigan had been up
|> by 8 on two occassions, but then they were missing free throws and
|> started taking poor shots which allowed the Jayhawks to stay close
|> and it was UM 36 - Kansas 34 at the half
|> 
|> In the second half, Chris Webber (UM) single-handedly took over the
|> game. He just dominated the boards and on the defensive end forced
|> Kansas to stay outside. On the offensive end, UM went to Webber, Riley
|> and Howard with no resistance from Kansas

I thought Jalen Rose played pretty well. He hit some key shots and also
hit his free-throws down the stretch.

Pauley just couldn't do anything about it. Even if they had Oosertag back
it wouldn't have made any difference.

|> 
|> Michigan had a 12 point lead on several occassions, Kansas got no
|> closer than 5 and the Michigan 5Xz closed it out 86 - 74
|> 
|> Chris Webber was named tourney MVP

I thought Webber was not going to have that good of a year. I was certain
that Glenn Robinson would be his equal. Up to this point, I offer my humble
apologies to Michigan fans. Webber's play in the tourney was very good....
very good. If he can get over the free-throw bugagoo and move a little better
without the ball (offensively) and get over his defensive lapses he could
be truly awesome.

|> 
|> After this tourney performance Michigan should move up to #2, we will see
|> next up ... Jan 2 Eastern Michigan

Doubt it (although realistically I think they deserve it). The winner of the
Kentucky vs. Indiana game will become #2...... Look for the Wildcats to move
up to that slot followed closely by Michigan.

|> 
|> off to sleep ...
|> Chris
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
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|> and are in no way shared nor endorsed by my employer."
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:03:29 GMT

In article <!pa=jkB@engin.umich.edu> quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)  
writes:

> When trapped with no outlet, Michigan called timeout.

And trapped with no outlet QUITE FREQUENTLY.

> Two CLUES to help you figure out how Michigan won.

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From: schrandt@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:12:31 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Dec29.144753.13171@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
> In article <1992Dec28.212700.698@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>> I am and always have been a Tarheels fan.  The team this year 
>>> looks good enough to take it all.  Of course, they only have
>>> Dean Smith for a coach, the best coach in the history of college basketball. 
> 
> 	Ever hear of John Wooten?  Probably not.

	I certainly haven't.  But there was a guy named John Wooden,
and he was pretty decent ;^)...
 
> 	Even Bobby Knight, Denny Crum, and Coach K have more
> 	NCAA titles than the Dean has.
> 
> 	This is taking hyperbole a bit too far.
> 
> 	--rb
> 
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: best team in WI isn't even best in NCAA III
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:40:47 GMT
Organization: .

(Phil de Haan) writes:
>
>
>As far as the NCAA III vs NCAA I comaparsion, I doubt it.  A couple of years 
>ago, Calvin had a pretty good team and lost to an average Western Michigan 
>team by about 20.  In the 70s Calvin used to compete with good success 
>against Central Michigan, but those days are long gone.  Calvin is in the 
>Bahamas right now for the Sunshine Shootout and may play Alaska-Anchorage, 
>an NCAA II school which beat NCAA I Dayton by 14 earlier in the year.  That 
>should be a good gauge of where this year's team fits in the equation.  BTW, 
>Calvin is 5-0 this year vs NCAA II foes.

That's cause they play by CalvinBall Rules!!!!!

--J.J.
(geaux tigers, ride the pines hawaiian-style)
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From: burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin)
Subject: Re: Michigan 79  -  North Carolina 78
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:22:25 GMT

In article <29104@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>In rec.sport.basketball.college, raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) 
>writes:
>
>Question: How many players does Michigan Coach Fisher use in his rotation?
>Is Dean Smith's 10-player rotation any better than the 7- or 8-player 
>rotation that several top college teams are using?  I'll like to hear 
>comments from both sides.

	I think that Dean uses too many players.  I know the
	conventional wisdom is that this allows his players
	to be fresh in the waning moments of the game, but
	the trade-off is that it's harder for any group of
	five to be "in synch" with one another.  One of the
	announcers in last night's game mentioned this when
	someone who'd been in the game a while bobble a pass
	from someone who'd just come into the game - first
	for Michigan, then for UNC.  A player needs to get
	used to the people he's playing with (how they're
	going to pass, where they are on the court, how they
	switch off on defense, etc.) and that's less likely
	with Smith's 10-man rotation.

	By contrast, consider how few players Coach K at
	Duke uses.

	And while we're on Dean's case, does anyone else
	think that he shows too much loyalty to his seniors?

>From the early score shown on the ESPN channel, it looked like UNC had
>another slow start in the Michigan game.  Was this true?  Did UNC play
>a full 40-minute game, or did UNC come to life in the second half?

	Michigan led by 4 at the half.  UNC shot better in
	the second half - in the 30s from the floor during
	the first half, in the high 50s for the second.

	--rb
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From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: WAC attack
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:02:30 -0700

I want to get this in before BYU plays Memphis St. tonight.

How about that WAC?

Wyoming over the Big 8 (Colorado)
Utah over the SWC (Texas)
BYU over the SEC, and Big 8 (Georgia, Oklahoma)
New Mexico over the SWC and Big West (Texas Tech, New Mexico St)
Utep over the Big West and nearly over the Pac 10 (New Mexico St, UCLA)

BYU over the Great Midwest and ACC (Memphis St, Duke)??????? probably NOT

arthur
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:42:48 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Too bad you didn't get to watch the Michigan-UNC game.
Fisher coached very well against Smith, again!!
 
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