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From: PETERC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Peter Correnty)
Subject: Re: nude scenes book (was Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:36:23 EDT

In article <1992Aug11.192757.788@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
 
>
>Isn't there a guy in California who publishes a book listing nude scenes
>by various stars ? Most stars have bared a bit in early, forgettable films.
>I seem to remember reading an article about this book - the guy started
 
 
>it as a hobby and would photocopy it for friends. So many people asked
>for it he had it printed and started charging for it ! Anyone have any
>info on it ?
>
>
The book is called THE BARE FACTS, and gives a brief synopsis of the nude
scene ... and even rates them on a three star scale.  I've seen it
available in just about every "mainstream" book store I've been in.
 
Pete.
From: fate@eskimo.celestial.com (Craig Stykel)
Subject: Re: Dr. Who
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:28:14 GMT

stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???) writes:
> does anybody out there have a collection of tapes of
> Dr. Who from the past two doctors, or the last few
> years, i'm not sure which.  if you could email me
> that would be great.
> 
> andy
Yes I have the collection of collin baker,Sylvester Mc Coy, and some Tom
Baker as well......
what ones do you want?
fate@eskimo.celestial.com
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Serial Query (Kellerman's Poem)
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:04:11 GMT

We just watch the movie "Serial" (with Martin Mull, Sally Kellerman
and lots of others) on CINEMAX. I've seen this before on broadcast
TV, and I could've sworn Sally Kellerman said another poem during
the funeral scene, ending in "Alas, aloneness".

This appeared to be cut from the movie. Why? Perhaps this was only
in the broadcast version...?

Does anybody remember the poem???

	-Mike

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From: helgeb@admin.uio.no (Helge J. Bj|rnhaug)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: PATHFINDER
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:52:28 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

Nils Gaup, the director of Pathfinder, has only made two films.
Pathfinder's the first, the other one is Shipwrecked - Walt Disney Prod.
with English dialogue. Shipwrecked also exists with both Norwegian and
English dialogue - here in Norway it was titled Hakon Hakonsen (with
our special character a-with-a-ring). I doubt that version is available
in the U.S.

Helge
From: longo@claude.ma30.bull.com (Leslie Longo)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:54:16 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.

In article <1992Aug11.181617.8786@wri.com> andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek) writes:
>There's also a movie called _Siesta_, in which Foster has a minor role.  
>She bares a bit, but more interesting is her mediocre english accent.
>
>AK
>
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>				   IN-SIG-NIF-I-CANCE!"
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Ah yes, _Siesta_ !!

Now there's an odd flick....

L.
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Crispin Glover
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:34:05 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <Bsz6y5.2r5@acsu.buffalo.edu> v081q3sw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John K Mrozik) writes:
>
>	Does anybody have a list of all the movies that Crispin Glover has
>appeared in?  ...'BACK TO THE FUTURE'...'WILD AT HEART'...'RIVER'S EDGE
>...'MY TUTOR'.  Anyone have a complete list?

Not a complete list but he was (appropriately) cast as Andy Warhol
in Oliver Stone's `The Doors'




-- 
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From: DOBENSON@ua1vm.ua.edu (Joe Demon)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Tetsuo (_The Iron Man_)/Caligari
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:42:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

In article <1992Aug14.181437.6665@news2.cis.umn.edu>
donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
 
>had ever seen, it was dethroned recently. I saw the <obscure and hard to find>
>Japanese film "Tetsuo" <The Iron Man>. Obviously influenced by Lynch, with
>a bit of Cronenberg, and Raimi, mixed in. Black and Whit again enhances
>the films mood, and <much like Eraserhead> the film is non-synopsizable.
>Check it out if you get the chance. A must-see!
>
>                        --Judex--
 
  Another Ironman fan! Hard to believe. A couple of questions. The version
I have comes straight from Japan; and I do not speak Japanese. Any idea
what the old man and the soon-to-be-Ironman (near the end of the movie)
are saying? While I believe I have the rest of the movie figured out, that
one long speaking scene has me baffled.
  Second question. If you think Ironman is unusual, have you seen _Dr.
Caligari_ directed by Stephen Sayadian? A very unusual comment on the
Reagan and Bush presidencys.
 
 
 
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From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Subject: GODZILLA NEWS
Keywords: Godzilla Japanese Monster Mothra
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:26:37 GMT

Principal photography on GOJIRA TAI MOSURA has been completed.

Post-production work will continue until the film's debut at the
Tokyo International Film Festival at the end of next month.


David Milner  Columbia University
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Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
From: eriwis@liblab.lib.usu.edu (Erik Wissmar)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:59:19 GMT
Organization: Utah State University (USU)

>during which all voyeurs should reflect on their own motivations, and the
>strange little Dennis Hopper offering known in New Zealand as "Catchfire".
>In the states Hopper's original cut has been released under a different 
>name and apparently it is a much better film for it (the pseudonymous Alan
>Smithee is credited with directing "Catchfire").  While Jodie is as good
>as ever in the role you can't help wondering why the hell she took the 
>art which is demeaning to say the least.

I just recently saw Backtrack (? I believe that was the name of the movie ?)

  **   small spoilers **

  This movie had a ton of big name actor's (Charile Sheen, Jodi Foster,
Dennis Hopper, Joe Pesci, John Tituro(sp?) etc.)  Could have been a movie 
channel productiontoo.  But any way, this was a pretty weird movie to 
follow.  I had a hard time with t.  It was slow, and not very much dialogue 
for a long time  through the movie.  For sure, Jodie Fostor was naked in this
movie.  I was also wondoring if any one who had seen it noticed a character 
in this movie, (the chain saw artist in Arizona,)  was that Bob Dylan?
And while I'm at it, I noticed that another movie was mentioned with Hopper 
andFoster, is there any thing going there?
any comments or other questions would be appreciated.

erikwissmar
Utah State University

"..Hillary Clinton in an apron is like Dukakis in a tank. . "
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From: whitlock@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock)
Subject: PATHFINDER
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:21:33 GMT

I don't remember the name of the Norwegian director who did this film, but 
I'd like to know whether he has directed anything else that is available 
with American subtitles. 

This was an excellent movie that might not be traditional cult material (a 
contradiction in terms>) but definitely qualifies in my book as SOME kind of 
cult.

Thanks
From: sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:53:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cult-movies
Organization: U of Mn Propoganda Ministry

In article <malcolm.714329315@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
wrote:
> 
> donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
> 
> >As I recall, Roman Polanski had to flee the country to avoid prosecution
> >for Contributing to the delinquency of Minors <or whatever the crime would
> >be, having sex with a succession of underage girls>. This was right around
> >the time that "Tess" was released, and I thought that Kinski was one of the    
> >females that he was in trouble for. I'll have to look it up to be sure.
> >They have both admitted to their illicit romance in various interviews...
> 
> Polanski's scandal in the US was with a 13 or 14 year old girl, who he claims
> got tipsy on champagne and quaaludes of her own accord and then "seduced"
> him, then when she got home she and her mother got upset over it and they
> pressed charges of statuatory rape. He left the US and I don't think he's 
> come back since. He talks about this in his autobiography, _ROMAN_. Polanski's
> latest wife is 20-30 years younger than him... in his latest film she stars
> in it an plays a woman who gets raped beaten and abused. Anyway, Polanski's
> problems were not with a string of underage girls and it had nothing to
> due with Tess, which I think came a few years later. I don't think Kinski
> was underage at the time.   

If memory serves me, the incident occured during the filming of Chinatown,
because it took place at Jack Nicholson's house.

Poor Roman Polanski.  Chased out of the country for (statutory) rape, had
his pregnant wife Sharon Tate sliced 'n' diced by the Manson family...

Shawn Barnhart ! sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu
I'm not selling out, I'm buying in.
From: gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball")
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Question for the net . . .
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:08:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

I was wondering... Are the movies "The Breakfast Club" and "Real Genius"
considered cult classics?

Just curious.  Thanks.

Geoff
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From: matt@cray.com (Matthew Marchese)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ridley Scott...
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:55:57 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Aug20.081105.28934@jyu.fi> mol@jyu.fi (Mika O. Latokartano) writes:
>In article <truesdel-200892000604@cobler.ics.uci.edu> truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.143558.22354@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>>ttak@ellis.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi) wrote:
>>
>>> Also, how's Blade Runner?  I'm interested in seeing it.
>>
>  Just read from "Image" (published during the summer, can't remember the
>  date - oh, and the mag is Finnish, although published in English as
>  well) and interview of Ridley Scott.  He talked about lots of topics,
>  but just to mention a couple of more interesting points:
>
> 	Philip K. Dick had the chance to see Blade Runner before he
>  died.  Although there are some differences between the book and the
>  movie, PKD said about RS's Blade Runner "It is beyond my wildest
>  dreams!" (paraphrased).  BR is apparently just what PKD wanted it to be.
				             ^^^^
This ain't necessarily so. I am reminded of the scene in "Amadeus" where
Soliari asks Mozart what he thought of his opera and Mozart replies,
"I never knew such sounds existed...One hears such things, and one can
only say, 'Soliari'!". In other words, he hated it.

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From: tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: The Wall
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:15:06 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

schweitz@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Schweitzer (W86)) writes:

>Can anyone explain the ending of the movie "The Wall" (Bob Geldof) to me?
>As far as I understood it, Bob is trying to break through the wall that is
>surrounding him. At the end of the trial, the judge orders to 'tear down the
>wall'. Does this mean Bob's objective is archieved? I hardly think so, 
>"The Wall" isn't a movie to have a happy ending...

>Who does understand this movie?

I suspect that anyone who claims to fully understand "The Wall" either:

a) is lying, or

b) needs to be locked up in a comfortable rubber room.

Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: suspiria soundtrack
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 13:43:52 GMT

Soundtrack is by an Italian group called Goblin. I have 2 albums by them,
Roller and Suspiria on vinyl. They have 6-8 albums all told. Most are
available on CD I am told (though some are imports). I saw a CD of Suspiria
(Japanese import) for $20 - should've picked it up - I could've resold it
on the net for sure ! :-)
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Eraserhead/Tetsuo
Keywords: Lynch, Eraserhead, Tetsuo
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:14:37 GMT
Organization: none

Eraserhead is one of my favorite films. It still blows me away on viewing.
One showing and you just knew that David Lynch was goint to be a name to
remember. The baby is still AMAZING!

By the way, after years of championing Eraserhead as the strangest film I 
had ever seen, it was dethroned recently. I saw the <obscure and hard to find>
Japanese film "Tetsuo" <The Iron Man>. Obviously influenced by Lynch, with
a bit of Cronenberg, and Raimi, mixed in. Black and Whit again enhances
the films mood, and <much like Eraserhead> the film is non-synopsizable.
Check it out if you get the chance. A must-see!

			--Judex--
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:08:36 GMT

In article <UeYkm5G00VB805L0x_@andrew.cmu.edu> Thomas Omar Smith <ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>To the debate on "Pretty Baby" and how Brooke Shields was shown naked, before
>>she was 18, I want one thing clarified. Is this an American Film? I thought
>>it was funded, and partially filmed in France, <where they do not have laws 
>>against minors appearing naked, apparently>. I was far more shocked by 
>>the underage Nasstassia Kinski's nude scenes in "Tess". 
>>Besides, I don't think the morals of the country were undermined by Ms.
>>Shields nakedness. We're still here...
>>
>>				--Judex--
>
>Even if the scene was filmed in France, the child pornography laws would
>still apply for any American distribution.  It is per se illegal to show
>underage people naked in a theatrical release.  They can often get away
>with it with infants on the grounds that infants are not tittilating or
>somesuch.  But a teenager under 18 shown naked would almost certainly
>get the producers prosecuted under federal child pornography statues in
>America.  I believe another poster stated that she wore a body stocking
>for the scene.  I'd tend to believe it.
>
>I was unaware Kinski was under 18 when she did Tess.  Are you sure?
>
>					Tom the non hacker
>					Kemp in 96!
>					"If patriotism is the last refuge
>					of scoundrels,  Then environmentalism
>					is the current refuge of totalitarians."
>					Bob Jackson

As I recall, Roman Polanski had to flee the country to avoid prosecution
for Contributing to the delinquency of Minors <or whatever the crime would
be, having sex with a succession of underage girls>. This was right around
the time that "Tess" was released, and I thought that Kinski was one of the    
females that he was in trouble for. I'll have to look it up to be sure.
They have both admitted to their illicit romance in various interviews...

				--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: crunch@camelot.bradley.edu (Randy Bloom)
Subject: Re: Eskimo (minor heathers spoilers...)
Organization: Rare.
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:50:00 GMT

Eric T. Jue <etjue@lbl.gov> writes:

[>In article <crunch.714070290@camelot> Randy Bloom,
[>crunch@camelot.bradley.edu writes:
[>>You have a copy of the shooting script?
[>>Could you send me one?

[>The script is about 200 pages which would be too much for me to
[>copy and send, sorry.

S'okay.  You _could_ always try to find some kind soul with a scanner who'd
let you get it into an electronic format so you could keep an online copy.
<wink>

[>I have to look at the script again, but isn't it "Super Chug
[>with that?  No, but if you're nice I'll let you buy me a
[>Slushee."

Yeah, that jogs the ol' memory.  The line after _that_ is "I see you know
your convenience-speak pretty well."  Mighta been the "super chunk"
reference that put up a mental block, or maybe it was just the fact that I
haven't seen the movie in about three months.
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Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Subject: Re: Wim Wenders filmography request (was Re: Until the End of the World)
Reply-To: eprice@sql.sybase.com
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:49:53 GMT

garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes:

>Anyway, I recently rented WINGS OF DESIRE, an absolutely fabulous movie. I was
>most taken by the first 3/4 of the film, which was beautiful and lyrical. The
>whole love thing seemed a bit trite, but I thought the film stood in spite of 
>it.

I didn't think it was trite.

I've never seen this flick on video and I never plan to.  *Maybe* if
it comes out on laserdisc letterboxed, but it still wouldn't be the
same.

Of the three "angels" he dedicated it to, I've never been impressed
with Truffaut, I've heard good things but never seen anything by
Ozu... but Tarkovsky is probably my favorite director of all time (and
his influence on Wings of Desire is obvious).

>I know Wenders also did PARIS, TEXAS.  Can someone post the titles of
>any other Wenders film? There was one about a goalie or something, but
>I can't remember the full title.

THE GOALIE'S ANXIETY AT THE PENALTY KICK (1971)

It's a film of the Peter Handke story.  I thought the story was much
better.  Wenders and Handke have collaborated a number of times I
believe.

Some other Wenders flicks:

SAME PLAYER SHOOTS AGAIN (1968)
SILVER CITY (1969)
ALICE IN THE CITIES (1974)
WRONG MOVE (1975)
KINGS OF THE ROAD (1976)
THE AMERICAN FRIEND (1977)
REVERSE ANGLE: NYC, MARCH '82 (1982, I guess...)

There's also HAMMETT (ugh)...  and I seem to remember seeing something
called TOKYO-GA in the video-store, never heard anything about it or
seen it though.

>Also, any other comments on him or his films would be appreciated. We
>can start with the pronunciation of his name! Is it "Vim Venders", or
>what?

That would be my guess.

-Ed Price (not Tim Worsely), eprice@sql.sybase.com (not wildman@...)
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From: wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho)
Subject: Definition of Cult Movies
Organization: KAIST
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 04:22:29 GMT

Sorry for asking this kind of questions, but I couldn't help it.
I am a new subscriber to this group and couldn't understand the word
'cult movie'. Can anyone give me the definition?

Thanks in advance.

Wongyu Cho
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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Ironman II
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:03:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.014330.31875@datamark.co.nz> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
>In article <16848BA13.DOBENSON@ua1vm.ua.edu> DOBENSON@ua1vm.ua.edu (Joe Demon) writes:
>>I checked with my distributor yesterday, and he said Ironman II has not
>>yet been released. It seems the director took it to Cannes, and it was
>>poorly received. He's planning to work on it some more before letting
>>it go.
>
>Well, I saw Tetsuo II at the Wellington Film Festival in new Zealand
>about a month and a half ago.

"Tetsuo II: The Body Hammer" was shown in Washington DC several months
ago. The director commented that it wasn't as violent as the first one
and people who were turned off by "Tetsuo" should still give it a chance.
I didn't see it so I can't comment on it.

                                            -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel.Bamford)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: MESSAGE TO TAPIO RE THE STAND
Date: 11 Aug 92 13:29:21 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU


Sorry to post this to the net but I've lost his e-mail address.

Tapio, I have the info RE: the stand which you required, but have lost your
address, get in touch.

Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: The Devils
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:10:32 GMT

In <1992Aug12.082141.17239@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sboiarsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sean L Boiarski) writes:

>I just saw _The Devils_ last night, has anyone else seen this flick?
>It's a very intense true story about the French Catholic church durring the 
>sixteen hundreds, with lots of interesting characters and imagery. I recomend 
>it, and would like to here what others think about its message, and delivery of
>the message.


>I aint got no sig

Sean,
The Devils is quite a film.  It is probably Ken Russels most respected
though I am particularly partial to Lair of the White Worme (spelling
could be wrong).  Its actually based on Aldous Huxley's novel The
Devils of Loudon and unless I'm mistaken it is history with a few
liberties taken.  Nevertheless both book and film are really driving.
The scene with the protestants being shot in ridiculous black bird
costumes made me quite nauseous.

Do you recall the case a while back with the gynecologist being
charged with sexually assaulting his patients?  Many of the women who
came forth clearly were in the dark about functioning of their own
bodies.  The reminded me in many ways of The Devils though the Doctor
did seem to be guilty as charged.  He also was complicit in his
patients' ignorance, of course.  Still I must say I had the same sense
of ambivalence for the Doctor as I did for the Confessor.