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From: wendt@CS.ColoState.EDU (alan l wendt)
Subject: Unexpected EFAULT error on read
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:17:09 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

I have a program that gets EFAULT errors trying to do a read.
The memory and file addresses and the length, etc appear to be
within legal bounds, i.e. I checked the file size and sbrk(0)
returns an address beyond the memory addresses involved.  I
also track every sbrk and the address seems to be within the
limits of the lowest and highest sbrk and to be within a legal
segment.

The actual memory addresses vary but the file addresses are always
0x1b4000 and 0x1b4600.  The setup is pretty complicated and defies
efforts at simplification; it is 286 Xenix 2.3.2 running on a 386, 
large model program, and the program calls "system" which calls
another program that expand the file before returning to the first
program that then gets the error.

Has anyone seen this happen before?

thanks
Alan Wendt
From: Alexander.Schwallbach@thedump.UUCP (Alexander Schwallbach)
Sender: FredGate@thedump.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Terminals
Date: 17 Nov 92  09:28:02 EST

Anyone know how I can figure out if a port is active or not? I have 18 tty files, the last two have a "TTYxA" and "TTYxa" and like wise for "B". I wass wondering how to enable them and figure out which one goes to what terminal.


        
                                                                Alex


Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon)
Subject: Re: Choose ODT or UNIX plain
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:14:08 GMT

chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.145225.19875@athena.cs.uga.edu>
>	is@groucho.dev.uga.edu (Bob Stearns) writes:
>>So gurus, which is better/cheaper/easier to use? ODT or UNIX?

>Simple.  The answer is SCO Xenix.

>Did you really expect to hear anything different asking in a newsgroup
>about SCO Xenix?  If you want to solicit the opinions of SCO Unix and
>ODT users, you might want to try a newsgroup where they hang out,
>such as comp.unix.sysv386 or comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit.

let's not forget biz.sco.general and biz.sco.odt.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Choose ODT or UNIX plain
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:59:35 GMT

In <1992Nov17.182745.29897@openage.openage.com> gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon) writes:

:is@groucho.dev.uga.edu (Bob Stearns) writes:

:>I am about to start a fairly large project for a client and need to know
:>whether ODT 2.0 or UNIX 2.3.4 (current levels, whatever they are) is the
:>appropriate develpoment/delivery system. We will be connecting PCs with
:>both Ethernet and highspeed modems to the delivery system. The
:>application is image creation, storage, and retrieval. The plan is to
:>use the PCs for both creation and retrieval and the UNIX system for
:>storage. We plan to use a multi-level system with spinning magnetic
:>media, online optical media, and offline optical media which will be
:>mounted on request. Obviously I need the full development system for
:>myself and runtime only for the delivered clients. 

:>So gurus, which is better/cheaper/easier to use? ODT or UNIX?

ODT is easier to use than UNIX even if you never use the X-windows
stuff.  There are significant improvements in the system
administration procedures (netconfig comes to mind).

:ODT is SCO UNIX, TCP, NFS, LM/X client, Dos Merge, and X.  If you do not need
:more than 2 or three pieces you should probably buy them separately.

:Sounds like UNIX, TCP, and NFS is what you need.  You still might want ODT as
:the install will be easier, but it will cost a little more.

SCO also has what they call the ``Network Bundle'' which includes
UNIX, TCP/IP, and NFS which lists for $2,195 (tape media) which
is $400 less than the ODT 2.0 server system.  This doesn't have
the PC-Interface server which you would probably want to allow PCs
easy access to the UNIX host so this would bring the cost
difference down about $250.

There's currently an upgrade offer from SCO good 'til the end of
December allowing SCO Xenix and UNIX owners to upgrade their
unlimited user license products to ODT 2.0 server for something
around $1,700 (it may be less if you have a support contract).
This is significantly less expensive than the network bundle.

Bill
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From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Choose ODT or UNIX plain
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:33:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.145225.19875@athena.cs.uga.edu>
	is@groucho.dev.uga.edu (Bob Stearns) writes:
>So gurus, which is better/cheaper/easier to use? ODT or UNIX?

Simple.  The answer is SCO Xenix.

Did you really expect to hear anything different asking in a newsgroup
about SCO Xenix?  If you want to solicit the opinions of SCO Unix and
ODT users, you might want to try a newsgroup where they hang out,
such as comp.unix.sysv386 or comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit.

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From: jxv3790@hertz.njit.edu (Jake Vogelaar)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Korn shell wanted
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:30:31 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov19.055847.18598@trebor.uucp> root@trebor.uucp (Bob Stockler) writes:
>jdw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Wood) writes:
>
>>Anyone know of a good Korn shell for SCO Xenix??  I am dying without it!
>
>Yes.  Upgrade to SCO Xenix386 v2.3.4.  It includes an excellent KornShell.

Any other options besides spending money ?

jake

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: is your version of streams pipes botched too?
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:34:14 GMT

I'm trying to figure out if just my particular version of the SCO
Streams Runtime (ver 1.0.0c) is busted or if SCO totally botched the
streams pipe device configuration.

A botched installation will have a /usr/sys/conf/master file with an
entry saying:

    sp       0  1000 000     sp  0   0   0    1   4    0     0     0   0

A system with stream pipes correctly installed will instead show
something like:

    sp       0  1000 004     sp  0   0  67    1   4    0     0     0   0
		     ^^^                ^^

Note that the "67" column need not be a 67 -- but it must be some
nonzero number.

If your master file entry for `sp' looks like the second and not the
first, I'd appreciate it a whole bunch if you could let me know that.
It would also be helpful to know what `grep rel= /etc/perms/streamsrt'
says and whether or not you've got a /dev/spx node on your system.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence)
Subject: Re: CLISTs and intelligent i/o cards
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:13:58 GMT

daveh@ucla-an.UUCP (Dave Hammond) writes:
: In article <4496@teslab.lab.oz.au> andrew@teslab.lab.oz.au (Andrew Phillips) writes:
: >........................................  I also think CLISTS have
: >nothing to do with it as our Specialix I/O port driver does not use
: >them.
: 
: This is interesting.  Is the Specialix unique in not using CLISTs,
: or is this a property of most (all?) intelligent i/o cards?
: 
CLISTS are buffers provided by the kernel for use by character device
drivers.

There is nothing that prevents a device driver from allocating it's
own buffers and thereby *not* use any clists, but I rather doubt that
Specialix or any other i/o card is unbuffered :-)  It may in fact be
that Specialix feels that they need a much more sophisticated structure 
than that provided by the OS.


		Tony   apl@world.std.com
	(who is no expert on this subject!)

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: David Mason <vid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Still having missing character problems
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:02:02 GMT

ahmcs@world.std.com (Alan H Mintz) writes:
>David Mason <vid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>>A while ago we had some problems on our SCO 2.3.2GT (upgraded with the SCSI
>>enhancement) system, running on a 386-33, 64k cache, 8MB RAM, Adaptec 1542B,
>>IDE & SCSI disk, AST 4port, standard I/O, FAS 2.09, monochrome system (whew).
>>The problem is that we are getting characters disappearing from input and
>>output on both the serial lines and the consoles. This will usually happen
>>after about a week or more of 24 hour uptime. Rebooting the system once a week
>>is a solution, though not a very good one.  
>
>>When I originally posted this question, several people suggested upping the
>>number of CLISTS on the system. Originally it was set to the default (100 or
>>200). We have 5 serial ports plus the consoles so 300 seemed like a
>>reasonable number, but the problem persisted. I upped the number to 400 but
>>characters are still disappearing after about a week of uptime.
>
>I don't know if I responded previously or not, but I don't think your 
>problem is CLISTs. When we went from a 386/25+Adaptec 1542 to a 486/50+
>Dell DDA (EISA SCSI-looking thing), we started seeing the same problem under
>2.3.4.
>
>It seems to coincide with heavy disk load, leading me to believe that
>the SCSI controller and/or driver is "traffic-jamming" the bus and/or kernel
>to where serial interrupts are being lost. Does this seem reasonable?
>
>We only see it under VERY heavy loads, so I haven't pursued it. Still, a 
>solution would be nice.
>-- 

It's possible, but the problem doesn't go away after heavy disk useage. It's
gone on for several hours while the system has been reasonable idle, until we
rebooted. Some resource is being grabbed during heavy SCSI useage, and not
released afterwards.

It must be a Xenix bug, I've never heard of this happening on any other
platform, and Adaptec 1542B is about as standard as it gets...

I think the fact that it happens after about a week of uptime is a clue, but
otherwise I'm clueless.

Any other ideas? 

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From: jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: HOW TO get uEmacs without DevKit?
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:12:23 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Yes, the problem is simple. I'd need to do a piece of work for a company
using Xenix, and I simply *hate* vi. And the company doesn't have the
Dev kit, nor does it intend to get it. Is it at all possible, and if,
then where could I get emacs for Xenix w/o a C compiler?

Please, all info & pointers greatly appreciated.

-- 
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            University of Helsinki, Dept. of Monkey Business
                                 --O--
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)
Subject: Re: DialT1000
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:15:28 GMT

In article <Bxq6AG.4J7@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>
>I am looking for a dialer program for my T1000. If anyone has this I would 
>greatly appreciate it if they would email it to me. If not, I would appreciate
>someone mailing me there S register configuration on their T1000.
>
>If you have the source for the above mentioned dialer I can compile it, if you
>only have the binary it needs to be compatible with SCO XENIX 2.3.3
>

You already have the source and executable.  Use dialTBIT.

Simply reset your modem to the Enhanced Command Mode.  You can let dialTBIT
configure your modem for you (which would require you to set up a getty
that cycles 19200-->2400-->1200-->300-->19200), or you can have dialTBIT
configure the modem and then you can cu to the modem and type "ATS66=1"
(which allows a fixed speed getty at 19200).

If you want a complete guide to setting up your SCO system as well as
the modem, call Telebit tech support.  +1-800-TELEBIT or +1-408-734-5200
or modems@telebit.com.


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From: mel@fleet.UUCP (mel)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: SENDBATCH
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:37:50 GMT
Organization: Fleet Parts & Equipment

I know this may be the incorrect area to ask this question but I do not
have access to all newsfeeds.

I need to know what suffixes to use with "sendbatch" and or "uux" to
provide (don't laugh) a uncompressed and UNBATCHED news feed.

Thanks to anyone who can give me the answer on this quickly.

Mel
!rex!fleet!mel

Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: root@trebor.uucp (Bob Stockler)
Subject: Re: Korn shell wanted
Organization: Bob Stockler
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:58:47 GMT

jdw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Wood) writes:

>Anyone know of a good Korn shell for SCO Xenix??  I am dying without it!

Yes.  Upgrade to SCO Xenix386 v2.3.4.  It includes an excellent KornShell.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Korn shell wanted
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:38:41 GMT

In <18390002@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jdw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Wood) writes:


>Anyone know of a good Korn shell for SCO Xenix??  I am dying without it!

The ksh is standard in the update to 2.3.4.  I switched from csh
when it came out and don't want to go back :-).

Bill
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From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Region Table Overflow error
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:46:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.193042.17769@cas.org> skf26@cas.org (Scott Frost) writes:
>Followup-To: skf26@cas.org (Scott Frost)

That's wrong, rude, illegal, and stupid.

> "Warning: Region Table Overflow" errors
>
> What needs to be changed to correct this?

Your operating system.  SCO Xenix is incapable of producing such
an error message.

If it is not feasible for you to upgrade to SCO Xenix, then you might
consider asking your question in a newsgroup where the people who use
your operating system hang out.  For example, in the case of SCO Unix
that would comp.unix.sysv386, comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit, or one of the
biz.sco newsgroups.

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From: jdw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Wood)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:32:34 GMT
Subject: Korn shell wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco


Anyone know of a good Korn shell for SCO Xenix??  I am dying without it!
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From: dror@netcom.com (Oz Dror)
Subject:  Exclusive Access to a Parallel port by Dos under Unix
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:43:55 GMT

I have a LaserDisk controlled by a signal from a parallel port.
There is a special driver that controls the laser disk.

The system works Under DOS, but does not work in dos Under unix
(SCO 3.2.2, with dos merge).

I issue the following command:
  dos +alp2
and in config.sys I setup the driver.
when dos boots it initializes the driver, but the program freezes (actually it
goes to an infinite loop.

My understanding is that the driver is time dependent.

Does anyone have any idea how to solve this problem. Do I need to increase the
interrupt level of the serial port, if so how can I do is without changing the
dos driver
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon)
Subject: Re: Choose ODT or UNIX plain
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:27:45 GMT

is@groucho.dev.uga.edu (Bob Stearns) writes:

>I am about to start a fairly large project for a client and need to know
>whether ODT 2.0 or UNIX 2.3.4 (current levels, whatever they are) is the
>appropriate develpoment/delivery system. We will be connecting PCs with
>both Ethernet and highspeed modems to the delivery system. The
>application is image creation, storage, and retrieval. The plan is to
>use the PCs for both creation and retrieval and the UNIX system for
>storage. We plan to use a multi-level system with spinning magnetic
>media, online optical media, and offline optical media which will be
>mounted on request. Obviously I need the full development system for
>myself and runtime only for the delivered clients. 

>So gurus, which is better/cheaper/easier to use? ODT or UNIX?

ODT is SCO UNIX, TCP, NFS, LM/X client, Dos Merge, and X.  If you do not need
more than 2 or three pieces you should probably buy them separately.

Sounds like UNIX, TCP, and NFS is what you need.  You still might want ODT as
the install will be easier, but it will cost a little more.
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From: Alexander.Schwallbach@thedump.UUCP (Alexander Schwallbach)
Sender: FredGate@thedump.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Solution Needed
Date: 23 Nov 92  22:04:44 EST

As you all can see I am new to xenix, but experinced when it comes to asking questions. Has anyone had any problems with getting MultiScreen to work? I can
't seem to get it to allow me to switch to another screen. You are sepesto be able to hit "Alt-F1" for one login prompt and then "Alt-F2" for another login prompt on the same terminal.

                                                        Alex
From: mjmcken@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael J McKenzie)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: POP Server On XENIX ?
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:34:25 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Keywords: POP


Is it possible to run a POP server on XENIX/386 ver 2.3.3?

What about XENIX/286 ver 2.2.3?

If not, what are the minimum requirements for a POP server? 

Thanks,

Mike.
mjmcken@unixg.ubc.ca
From: andrew@teslab.lab.oz.au (Andrew Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Still having missing character problems
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:07:21 GMT
Organization: Technology Services, Chief Secretary's Dept, Sydney

: In <Bxo9vo.Kqq@world.std.com> ahmcs@world.std.com (Alan H Mintz) writes:
: 
: >I don't know if I responded previously or not, but I don't think your 
: >problem is CLISTs. When we went from a 386/25+Adaptec 1542 to a 486/50+
: >Dell DDA (EISA SCSI-looking thing), we started seeing the same problem under
: >2.3.4.
: >It seems to coincide with heavy disk load, leading me to believe that
: >the SCSI controller and/or driver is "traffic-jamming" the bus and/or kernel
: >to where serial interrupts are being lost. Does this seem reasonable?

We have identical symptoms to those of the original post.  That is
characters begin to be lost (on terminals and console) after the
machine being on continuosly for at least a week.  It sometimes
occurs when there is no disk activity at all (although I don't know
if this is true when the symptoms first start) so I don't think the
problem is serial interrupts being lost.  I also think CLISTS have
nothing to do with it as our Specialix I/O port driver does not use
them.

Our system is Xenix 2.3.4GT running on a 486-33, AT bus, 16 Mb RAM,
Adaptec 1542b with Wren 7 SCSI disk and Viper 2525 SCSI tape, and
Specialix card with 24 ports.

The similarities with original poster's system seem to be SCSI,
Adaptec 1542b and (I think) SCSI tape drive.

Andrew.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: jeff@sporty.col.oh.us (Jeff Anderson)
Subject: Re: Xenix versus Unix-V
Organization: J.A. Anderson & Company, Columbus, OH US
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:46:41 GMT

In article <43640@imag.imag.fr> kitajima@imag.fr (Joao Paulo Kitajima) writes:
>Does somebody know the basic differences (interface, performance, availability)
>between Xenix and Santa Cruz Operation's Unix-V? Please, send me answers direc-
>tly to kitajima@imag.fr. I'm not subscribed to this group.

Isn't this just the highlight of laziness?  Here is my request -- serve
it to me on a golden platter.  I don't want to do any work!

Now back to your regular tech-nurd stuff!

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From: is@groucho.dev.uga.edu (Bob Stearns)
Subject: Choose ODT or UNIX plain
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:52:25 GMT

I am about to start a fairly large project for a client and need to know
whether ODT 2.0 or UNIX 2.3.4 (current levels, whatever they are) is the
appropriate develpoment/delivery system. We will be connecting PCs with
both Ethernet and highspeed modems to the delivery system. The
application is image creation, storage, and retrieval. The plan is to
use the PCs for both creation and retrieval and the UNIX system for
storage. We plan to use a multi-level system with spinning magnetic
media, online optical media, and offline optical media which will be
mounted on request. Obviously I need the full development system for
myself and runtime only for the delivered clients. 

So gurus, which is better/cheaper/easier to use? ODT or UNIX?

Your attention to this minor problem is appreciated.

-- 
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University of Georgia
is@groucho.dev.uga.edu
(404)542-5110