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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: thanks
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:23:28 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

 Thanks to those that replied to my request for the Battlefield plot,
part 4. Mark, Jim and Liz.

 Mark: Your request is on the way (if you haven't got it already).
 Jim: Glad you got the copies I sent (Geez, that was fast).
 Liz: I tried to reply to you to thank-you personally, but the address
in the footer bounced back. So, I thank-you here. Just what is the
proper address anyway? If there's anything I can do to reciprocate,
please let me know.

Whovians are damn fine people!

Best regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Attention KSPS viewers
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:10:53 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada


Attention, Radio Free Gallifrey (Spokane, esp Clay Breshears), Calgary's Ice
Lords and Maurice Sharp: I need to speak to via e-mail concerning DW on KSPS
and an upcoming pledge drive.


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
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From: pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker)
Subject: Re: Lionheart & renewing Dr. Who
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:59:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.162342.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> istn100@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>In article <2409@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar) writes:
>Personally, I much prefer the episode format to the movie format - but then
>I got to see several seasons of Dr Who in England when they were first 
>broadcast - do you have any idea what it's like to see the Dalek floating
>up the stairs in "Remembrance of the Daleks" and know you'll have to wait
>an ENTIRE WEEK to find out what happens next?  There is so much more impact
>there, you sort of walk away from teh TV going "Wow!"  Even if the next
>episode is shown right away, you've still got that cliffhanger shocker.

Actually, you made me think of some of the few times I said "WOW!!!!!"
after watching an episode of Who when we used to get episode format here 
in Boston, MA.

Part 1 of Earthshock was an awesome cliffhanger....I had no idea that the 
"You know what" were coming back.  Even with the new costume design...I knew
at once who it was....WOW!!!!! was all I could say....couldn't wait for
the next episode the next night....


-- 
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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Nightshade info wanted
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:49:43 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

The next book in the New Adventures series is due out in
about 3-4 weeks.  I'd appreciate if someone would post
the ISBN for this book as soon as possible, so I can get
the local bookstore to order it.  (I had to get them to 
order the Cat's Cradle books - they still do not have them
on the shelves).  Thanks in advance,

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Appreciation Society & Dr. Who Fan Club of America
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:30:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing) writes:


>>>  Gee! I only got the first of those. And I had (optimistically) renewed  
>>>not long before that.
>>
>>Same thing here.  I also never got the Summer 1991 issue after sending in
>>my $5.00.  That was a mistake I won't make again!

>	don't just let it go. write or call them. things frequently get lost
>with fan clubs and you may simply have gotten deleted accidently. these
>aren't pros after all, they fans just like you...

I've written DWAC numerous times and never received a response.  They only
seem to respond if you call them, which is what I did next.  They said that
my name was still on the list, they were sorry that they hadn't done anything
lately, they were trying to get another issue of the Whovian Times out.....

Of course, this was about 9 months ago and nothing has happened since.
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Net is Burning
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 05:54:50 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

>
> P.S. It wasn't enough to post one non-Who article, but another? USENET is not
> a bulletin board! I stomped on your .sig, and now it's gone. Dave says it's
> ok to restart old threads, so look for new (=old) dw discussions soon. Is
> the Freenet really free? I've got sarcasm pills if anyone needs one...
>
  You could always the BBC for lack of new stuff for netters to post, and the
fact that there are people being introduced to the net, makes it more likely
than there will be more old threads returning.


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: As easy as Pi
Keywords: 5Drs, Pi, Chess
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:14:08 GMT

In article <dennis.712198578@citr.uq.oz.au> dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:
>Greetings,
>
>Here's something that's been bothering me for ages.
>
>Is their ANY actual relevance to the use of Pi in the chess-board security
>sequence in the 5 Doctors. If so please explain the events of this
>extract a little more clearly than they are portrayed in the show.
>

In the show itself, there is no method of applying the digits given to
the audience in a way we can understand.  All we get is the Doctor reciting
"3.14159265" and the knowledge that the pattern changes every time.
The novelization (by Terrance Dicks, same as the author of the show) 
says that the digits in pi were used to count the rows and columns on
the board as though with a road map and a reference co-ordinate.
The digits in pi form the co-ordinates, starting from a new point every
time.  How the Master knew the original starting point is another question,
but since he knew the secret anyway, presumably he knew where the
patterns would begin again after the Doctor's coin tricks (the coin was
still on the floor, so he could possibly have deduced the next pattern
from its position).


>Thanks in advance...
>
>P.S I can tolerate about 6 seconds of the Cyberleader's voice in Tomb be much
>ado about nothing in these early Who stories, that is to say that there is 
>a lot of filler acting and running backwards and forwards, and too much
>extension of trivial sequences. I truly feel that Who improved markedly
>with Pertwee, and just got better. Sorry to all Hartnell/Troughton fans, but
>I can't stomach the farce. 
>
>
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       Dennis Remmer - dennis@citr.uq.oz.au - DennisR@syacus.acus.oz
>    Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Brisbane Queensland Australia


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From: mrmuon@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: lost episodes with Patrick Troughton
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:07:28 GMT

In article <zkessin.711576535@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>  
zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac) writes:
> Tomb of the Cyberman     (4)  LOST    TROUGHTON    5    JMC Victoria

  Where have you been? Tomb is found! (Everybody jump for joy again)
  There are a number of individual episodes still availiable, just very  
few complete stories remaining from the Troughton era.
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 22:50:25 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: "Neon" logo

I'm in rather urgent need of a pic of the "neon" DW logo in any graphic
format.  If anyone can either mail me with the logo or tell me where I
might find it, I would appreciate it, and maybe I'd upload a DW GIF to
alt.binaries.pictures in return.  Any other of the DW logos would also
be helpful, but the "neon" one is the one I need most.  Thanks!
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From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Photonovel?!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:53:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.185054.29312@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom  
wilson) writes:
> There is plenty of new stuff to talk about without having to wait for a  
new
> fan to start an old thread: new video releases, the audio tapes, a  
recent
> photonovel release that no one has mentioned, new novels, etc.
> 
> Tom

   A photonovel is out? I hadn't heard about it. Please enlighten us!
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Subject: request for an ftp site location.
From: cshuy@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christina Cheng Ann Shuy)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:35:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Could anyone please tell one very interested  party (namely me) where
I could find an ftp site for this newsgroup.  There are somethings I got
off the net that aren't entirely finished and I would like to get what I
missed.

Thanks in advance!  I know this is an FAQ, but I haven't seen the FAQ 
lately.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Ace: hard case or soft center?
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:52:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <l7duktINN1p4@girtab.usc.edu> jimkelle@girtab.usc.edu (Jim Keller) writes:
>>But Ace...yech! Hate is too strong a word (its just tv show), but I think
>>she is bad for Dr Who on a number of levels. The main problem I have with
>>her (by far) is her hobby, making bombs. I'm amazed that a TV program for
>>children (Dr Who is seen as this by some) can pass off a person like
>>Ace as a positive role model.

But central to the philosophy of the show is that not everyone who is "alien"
is immediately negative.  Ace, as she said in her first story, felt like an
alien even on Earth.  The whole point of her character, at first, was that
even a wild child like her, full of frustration and teenage angst, yet
caring, compassionate, and filled with the urge to do good, is positive.

I personally find characters like James Bond, with his fundamental streak
of amorality, (to say nothing of Freddy "Jack Blood" Krueger), to be
much worse of a role model than a fundamentally moral, if flawed,
character like Ace.

>But don't you recall?  Towards the end there they had her "lose" her backpack,
>homemade bombs and all.  I think they were making a sincere effort to tone
>her down.

Or are they?  Read "Warhead" and tell me if Ace has toned down at all.
Bear in mind, though, that the New Adventures take place several years
after the series, and that Ace is now a full-fledged adult and an
explosives PROFESSIONAL.  She was always careful about her nitro in
the series... now she really knows what she's doing.
From: heidt@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Michael F. Heidt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Lionheart & renewing Dr. Who episodes vs movie fmt
Date: 31 Jul 1992 18:18:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center

Just a note to show how the episode format can be abused. Back around 
1975-76, when the Tom Baker stories were new, the local NBC station 
here in Houston carried them. They were considered a kids show and were
aired on Saturday around noon. However, most of the stories were five
episodes long, which didn't fit in the one hour time slot. So, the first
four episodes were shown at noon, and the fifth at midnight! I can just
see some kid trying to tell mom that he had to stay up to see the end
of his show. I only found the fifth episodes because they came on
after Saturday Night Live and Mony Python. of course, this silly approach
killed the program here and it didn't become popular until much later
when PBS started showing the movie format at 9:00PM Saturdays.

	Mike Heidt
	heidt@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Excuses behind ToaTL (Re: Valeyard)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:09:55 GMT

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) wrote:
>In article <1992Jul18.182255.10167@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>>That's pretty dumb. I'm obviously referring to whomever decided to use the
>>unfinished story without making sure the ideas were sound, and whomever
>>decided to finish the story without checking the established "facts" and
>>thinking about the repercussions. I don't recall any disclaimer at the
>>beginning of the story saying "The original writer died, so if the story sucks,
>>it's not our fault." If the story couldn't be finished properly, then it
>>should not have been used.

>All right, then what would you rather they have used instead?

>> Ever hear of rejecting a story?

>Ever hear of DEADLINES?  As has been posted repeatedly of late, the
>production team was working under severe time pressure.  They had already
>shot the first half of the Trial season.  They needed an ending.  They
>couldn't just deliver the Beeb 13 out of the 14 episodes they had ordered
>and say that the last one would be along in six months or so.

I have a hard time guessing that's the problem when I watch it. I guess a
disclaimer IS really needed. I guess it's just a matter of who you want to
blame. The bottom line is the story is incomplete. I guess the dumb way to
do things is to write the stories first, but that wouldn't be show business.

>> When properly
>>thought out and finished, it could then be used. That is what I am saying.

>And what I'm saying is, the episode was a kludge, but they had no choice
>but to use it.  If you can make up an episode from scratch in 24 hours
>and make it perfect, then I suggest you get a job at the BBC, because
>they really could use you.

I can't make an episode in 24 hours. I wouldn't run things that way. That's
why I would never be able to work in such a situation. I understand the
situation now that it has been explained. However, it leaves us with the same
conclusion I started with (remember the original turn in this thread? it is
about the Valeyard, you know): no one knows exactly what happened in the story,
who the Valeyard is, etc. All of theories posted are just that: theories.
Provide all the evidence you want, but there is still no answer.

In a month when someone asks "Who is the Valeyard?", just post "Exactly!"
rather than these beefy unprovable theories.

Finally, the Who experts, who evidently have every piece of Who memorabilia
imaginable, don't seem to realize the show isn't written with that audience in
mind. When the viewers watch, why are the supposed to know the behind-the-
scenes happenings in advance? It sure ruins the enjoyment if that is necessary.
I like to collect odds-and-ends about Doctor Who, but I pray I don't need them
to watch the show. "Read the novel" for McCoy's stories is such a crappy
excuse to understand a story.

Tom

Tune in next week to see...just how unfair an unfair fight can be as the
Doctor faces unfavorable odds in "The Five Masters"!
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From: mrmuon@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:33:14 GMT

In article <12342@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)  
writes:
> In <1992Jul21.174651.1966@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli  
John Hawkins) writes:
> >   The library of Alexandria was a great place of learning before
> >Christianity; then the Christians came along and burned it down. The
> >Christian places of learning were established for teaching  
Christianity.
> 
> Also reading, writing, languages, mathematics, Physics and some of
> the other sciences.  Oh yes, and Christianity.  Did you know that
> ALL of the early schools in England were run by the Christian clergy?
  Not Physics, Physics was essentially started by Gallileo. This was  
before the Catholic leadership threatened him with torture.
> 
> As for Alexandria - you get lunatic vandals in every culture.  The
> fact that this one was thought to be a Christian is surely coincidence
> - I don't recall Christ ever saying "And be sure to burn down a few
> libraries for they are things of the Devil ..."  Or did he?  Go on!
  Not one, a mob. And they were definitely Christian.
> 
> Incidentally, have you read "Warhead" yet?
   Yes.
> 
> Lawrence, pondering the Witchkids ...
    Ignorant destruction does piss me off. Early Christianity had a way of  
inciting it and directing it against the existing culture and learning,  
destrying many good things and tipping society into the dark ages. A  
significant amount of the literature we now have from the pre-christian  
era comes to us not because of christian libraries and such, but because  
they were saved by the Islamic empire.
    Unlike Bobby Prescott, I am a pacifist.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Lionheart & renewing Dr. Who
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:53:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul27.211816.1630@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> myst@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>They're now going to have to EDIT the episodes to fit in their 7 minute
>allotment of commericals. Ugh.

Remember, these are Hartnell and Troughton episodes.  Try watching "The
Sensorites" and tell me that two minutes of cuts per half hour would
really hurt the story's pacing or plot.

>The McCoy episodes, if they ever buy them, will be even more
>incomprehensible!)

That, I agree on.  Anything after "Spearhead from Space" should either
be run intact, or have entire episodes' worth of running around chopped
("Paradise Towers").
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From: mrmuon@next15epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: re: the Doctor's First Regeneration
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:32:16 GMT

In article <Bs64nC.Hv8@acsu.buffalo.edu> v059jck9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu  
(Ronald S Russ) writes:
> I have never gotten the chance to see the episode which has his first 
> regeneration.  I'm just curious as to what the circumstances were  
surrounding
> this.  Especially, since the characterization by Patrick Troughton is  
quite 
> different than Hartnell's rendition.

  Unfortunately, you probably never will. The regeneration took place at  
the end of "the Tenth Planet" and begining of "the Power of the Daleks".  
Although episodes 1-3 of "10th Planet" survive, the critical part 4 and  
all episodes of "Power.." are lost. There is however some clip of the  
regeneration surviving which is reportedly included in "The Trughton  
Years" tape.
  The regeneration was caused by old age and possibly the cold weather at  
the north pole.
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From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: "SHADA" Video
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:06:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.225723.10373@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu  
(Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
> In article <62850@cup.portal.com> TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane  
Derek Killian) writes:
> >>Well, as I understand it, the workers went on strike or something and  
they
> >>didn't have the manpower to show it. Yes, Addams is a great writer,  
but he
> >>carries his ideas around with him (the Time Machine in Cambridge, and  
the
> >>Chesterfield. The Dead Planet(?_)was *identical* to DGHDI. Oh, well.  
After
> >>I found out about this, I suddenly had a lower view of Addams, as you  
might
> 
> >Well, why shouldn't he? Shada was apparently a no-go, so he presumably  
felt
> >it was too good a story to go to waste.
> 
> You've it the wrong way round. HHGG came FIRST, then he some stuff to  
Shada,
> and the Dirk Gently-Dead Planet thing is just so obvious, I was  
flabbergasted.
> It's REALLY pitiful that someone would do that, even under a pseudonym  
(David
> Agnew).
> 
> Frank Trumpy
> trump@iastate.edu
A: you're thinking of "City of Death". "The Dead Planet" was the first  
episode of "the Daleks"
B: I don't see what "Hitch hiker's" has to do with this.
C: Only a very small part of "City of Death" was adapted and inserted in  
"Dirk Gently's".
D: "Dirk Gently's" was definitely written after his time with DW, and i  
think "Hitch hiker's" was as well.
From: TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: THE MATRIX (was Re: Valeyard)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 13:04:36 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul10.193128.3549@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <23637@castle.ed.ac.uk>
  <1992Jul13.180906.14740@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

>>	However, Terror of the Vervoids never happened, nor apparently
>>will it happen in the future. So does this mean that the MATRIX stores
>>information from all possible futures, or does it simply extrapolate a
>>future from data it already posseses. Either way, the MATRIX is an
>>incredibly powerfull tool, and, in typical Time Lord fashion, incredibly
>>underutilised.
>
>Wait just a minute here!   How do you know "Terror of the Vervoids"
>never happened?  There is plenty of room between "The Ultimate Foe"
>and "Time and the Rani" for unseen adventures, including Terror of the
>Vervoids and the unseen mystery adventure in which the Doctor picks up
>Mel in the first place.

In "The Mysterious Planet," the Doctor says "I'm only 900 years old." In 
"Time and the Rani," he states his age as being 953. So we have approx. 
50 years of unseen adventures.


TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com | "One day, I shall come back; yes, I shall
(Shane Derek Killian)       | come back. Until then, let there be no
                            | regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go
FIDO: Shane Killian         | forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me
      1:151/2308            | that I am not mistaken in mine."
                            |                                 --Doctor Who
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From: BOYD <BOYD@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:56:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.172107.11476@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>
>In 1900, I am 20. A build a Time Machine and travel back in time to 1881. I
>kille me as an infant. Now, where the hell did the 1900 me come from? Huh?

   Geez, Frank, why would you do such a thing???!!!

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