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From: currie@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Currie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:08:38 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Aug10.154847.664@calmasd.prime.com> wwr@calmasd.prime.com writes:
>
>	Am I crazy, or are the Bears about 2 players away from a return to the
>Super Bowl?
>

You're crazy

       
>	Am I completely out of whack here?
>


You're completely out of whack.

Seriously though, I think the Bears are oooooooold on the offensive line
(yeah I know about STan Thomas), and oooooold on the defensive line as
well.  They have an adequate qb, very good running backs, and Ditka is
great at getting players to overachieve (by treating them like shit if
they don't :) ).

The Bears have a shot at making the playoffs, given the weak division,
but look for another early exit.


Kim
From: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: FTP Sites for Footballl?
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey)
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248

Hi All,
   I am a novice (first year) at Internet and FTP sites, etc.  If one
wanted to upload football or any handicapping software, where would
they send it?  I understand the concept of an FTP site, but are these
commonly known to YOU???  Also, I would imagine that since the files
are to be used on a DOS machine, that I could use PKZIP and create a
compressed file to upload, like I currently do when uploading to a 
BBS.  Can anyone provide me with any info, especially on accessing *THE*
FTP sites that have sports handicapping software.  Thanks in advance!

Take care,

Mark E. Savey
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From: cboeker@batph78.bnr.ca (Craig Boeker)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Reply-To: cboeker@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Atlanta
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:31:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.061409.13292@a.cs.okstate.edu>, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
|>  1991   Desmond Howard, Michigan               Washington
|>  1990   Ty Detmer, Brigham Young               Green Bay
|>  1989   Andrew Ware, Houston                   Detroit
|>  1988   Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State          Detroit
|>  1987   Tim Brown, Notre Dame                  Raiders
|>  1986   Vinny Testaverde, Miami                Tampa Bay
|>  1985   Bo Jackson, Auburn                     Nike
|>  1984   Doug Flutie, Boston College            CFL
|>  1983   Mike Rozier, Nebraska                  Atlanta ?????                

	Rozier is no longer a Falcon (to the best of my knowledge).  He was
	Atlanta's main ground weapon two years ago (my first year of Falcon
	season tickets and residence in Georgia) relegating Broussard to
	spot duty.  Last year he held out for more money and missed training
	camp.  He came in late, overweight and out-of-shape (sounds like me
	coming in to work in the morning) and played very little the entire
	year.  About playoff time he got in trouble for missing curfew and 
	tried to blame it on Hammer, saying he was out with him.  Hammer
	didn't back him up and Rozier ended up deeper in the doghouse.  As
	far as I can tell from camp news, etc. he is gone and the lame
	Falcon running game will be handled by a platoon of backs with
	whoever has done well recently getting the bulk of the playing
	time in the single back red gun offense.

|>  1982   Herschel Walker, Georgia               Philadelphia
|>  1981   Marcus Allen, USC                      Raiders

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| Craig Boeker                                                              |
| cboeker@bnr.ca        Despite the address I'm really in Atlanta, GA  USA  |
| BNR Atlanta                                                               |
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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas Depth Chart
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:29:48 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA

Here is how I understand the current Cowboys 2 man depth chart to look
like:

Offense: (first string)

Harper   Roberts  Tuinei  Newton  Cornish  Gesek  Williams  Martin
                                   Aikman
                                   Johnston
                                   Smith

(second string)

Smith   Bartlewski  Veingrad  Hellestrae  Gogan  Wright
                         Beurlein
                         Richards
                          Agee

Defense: (first string)

         Jeffcoat    Maryland   Casillas   Hill
    Norton             Jones              Smith
Holt           Williams      Horton         Brown


(second string)

        Hennings   Noonan   Lett    Jones (also at DT)
   Edwards             Crum             Myles
Smith     Washington     Gant        Holmes

That's 42 people.  The remainder are harder, but in order of how they
would make the team at this point:

Daluiso/Elliot
Saxon
Woodson
Bates
Lewis
K. Harris
D. Harris
Garrett
Weatherspoon
Pruitt
Clark
Brown
Milstead

Folks now in the starting or second team that will not make the final
cut:

Horton
Bartlewski

Not signed and will make the team:
Novacek
Irvin
Stepnoski
Tolbert

Injured but could be on the roster eventually:

Myslinski
Briggs
Blake

Hanging around:

A Green, Kupp, M James, B Mithell, C Hall, M Beasely, Melvin Evans,
Todd Jones, Pat Evans, Shepard, Alphin, Wacasey, Butts Cooper
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin)
Subject: Bo Jackson 
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:05:09 GMT


Could anyone who KNOWS BO's height and weight 
e-mail it to me?

Thanks in advance.


Jacques.
From: jordan@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:06:50 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Aug19.185449.8694@unislc.uucp>, jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:
> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
> 
> 
>>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
> 
>>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>>     Ron Brown           Raiders
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>     Ty Detmer           ????????
> 
> 
>>any others you can think of ??????
>>-- 
  Everyone seems to have forgotten...
       Vinny Testaverde    Tampa Bay

Don Jordan
Inland Steel R&D 
East Chicago, IN
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Football Positions
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>Actually, the pro one-back offences I remember (Cincinnati and Washington of 
>the early 80's replaced the halfback with a tight end instead of the fullback.
>After all, Pete Johnson and John Riggins could hardly be considered halfbacks.
>

I would have said the same thing, until I met Riggins in person.  I'd always 
thought of Riggins was a big guy, but he turned out to be much smaller than
I expected.  No doubt, he's a powerful man, but early in his career he was
more known for speed than power.

Gibbs prefers a big bruising back in the Washington scheme.  Thus we've been
through Rogers and Riggs after the Riggo era, in a pathetic attempt to hire
only running backs whose last name begins with "R."  However, we now have 
Byner and Ervins, neither of which fits this mold.  

					me
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:10:07 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
	<1992Aug13.223233.10889@parc.xerox.com>

>
    No question:
	The "muff" rule on fumbles.
>

well, I'm not sure I know what you mean, but bringing up fumbles reminds
of another rule that sucks: inadverdant whistles. If that isn't the
stupidest thing.....but I guess it's a necessary evil, since a misplaced
whistle which is overturned could result in a score because the other
team stopped in their tracks on the whistle...oh, well

--Vernon.
From: dmg@mo.cs.wm.edu (Daniel German)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: POOL - Separate Newsgroup?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:28:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Aug19.192813.14383
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693

In article <1992Aug19.131047.1170@hellgate.utah.edu>, twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
|> [...]
|> create a mailing list. He could then mail the pool info just to the people
|> interested in the pool. This would facilitate the discussion in the pool,
|> in that only pool people would get the mail. There is no reason to distribute
|> to the world a message that is addressed to small group of people.
|> 
|> Tom Wolf
|> 

I agree with the idea of a mailing list. In that way if the News server of
someone is down he still can get the picks and the results. Besides if we
are only interested in the results we don't need to scan hundreds of messages to
get the results.


-- 
Daniel M. German        
dmg@cs.wm.edu
From: pelle@lotka.teorekol.lu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: TEST !!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:14:31 GMT
Organization: Lund University Computing Center
Originator: pelle@lotka.teorekol.lu.se

Sorry, this is only a test !!!!
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From: msb2f@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Michael Scott Brown)
Subject: pre-FF draft questions
Reply-To: msb2f@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Michael Scott Brown)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:54:18 GMT

Need some pre-Fantasy Football Draft advice:


	1)  Who looks like the starting RB in Atlanta, Tony Smith or Steve 		  
Broussard?

	2)  Who will replace Drew Hill inside for the Oilers, Leonard Harris?

	3)  Will Drew Hill start for the Falcons?

	4)  If so, will they move Pritchard outside?

	5)  How much PT will Robert Clark get behind Clayton/Duper?

	6)  Has Timm Rosenbach been running as much as he did pre-injury?

	7)  If Herschel is a bust, who will replace him, Joseph? Tony Brooks?
	    Sherman?

	8)  Who looks like the better pick, Butts or Bernstine?

	9)  How have Word and Williams looked with Okoye holding out?

	10) Who will run the ball for the Browns, Brooks? Vardell? Mack?

	11) How about the Bengals, Green? Fenner?

	12) Will J.L. Williams be used as much under Flores, especially in the 
passing game?

Answers to any or all questions would be appreciated.  You can either
reply to me directly or on the net.

Mike Brown
msb2f@virginia.edu

Sorry if this appears twice, I'm still trying to figure this thing out
on the fly.
From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ground causing a fumble (Re: Worst Rules in NFL)
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:37:35 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Aug14.152722.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
>
>> This is what happens when people learn football rules from sports
>> announcers.  There is no such rule.  The ground *can* cause a fumble.
>> Ignore the announcers.  They're idiots.
>> 
>> But you already knew that, didn't you?
>
>   Sure did.  I always watch the TV, but listen to the radio.
>                                                       
>   I didn't get the rule from announcers, though -- I've heard the amplified
>voice of the referee saying that there was no fumble becuase the ground caused
>the ball to come loose.  I've also heard them say that there was no fumble
>becuase the runner was down.  The fact that officiating crews distinguish
>between these instances leads me to believe that the is actually such a rule.
>
>   Of course, if you've got a rulebook I won't argue...

I, of course, don't have a rulebook, but I'll submit YAI (yet another
interpretation) of what's going on on this subject.

Okay, this is pro football, so a runner is not necessarily down when he
hits the ground.  This is more complicated than college, though not by much.
In college, as soon as the knees hit the ground (except for a placekick
holder, of course), the play is over.

I would believe that it all has to do with whether the runner is down when
he hits the ground.  If the runner is down, then it doesn't matter what 
happens to the ball after that as far as possession of the ball goes.  A
fumble cannot occur after the play is over (a somewhat obvious observation).

If a person is tackled to the ground, and has possession when he hits the
ground, then the play is over.  It doesn't matter if the ground or the
Tooth Fairy or Vince Lombardi himself causes the ball to come loose after
that.  The play is over.  Period.

I believe that that is all that they are citing when they talk about the
"ground cannot cause a fumble" situation.  The phrase does seem to have 
taken a life of its own, though...

If by making contact with the ground without being down, the ball comes loose,
then clearly the ground could be considered to have caused the fumble (when
in reality, the fumble was caused by whoever fell to the ground without
contact).

Does that make sense?
-- 
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DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Re: POOL - Separate Newsgroup?
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:08:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.173616.26353@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:


   Last week, several people posted "Where are the results" messages after they
   had already been posted.  I have also had many people say that it is hard to
   find the different posts each week.

   As a possible solution to some of these problems, I was considering creating
   a group, "rec.sport.football.pro.pool" which would contain only my posts
   about the pool and any discussion of same.  It would also be available for
   any other pools that start up...

   Please let me know if you have an opinion on this idea either way.  If people
   seem to think it would be a useful thing, I'll do it.  If not, I won't.

   If we could keep discussion of this idea on the newsgroup, it would keep my
   mail spool to a less obnoxious size, but replies through email are also fine.

****************************************************

I do not think it is necessary to create a group just for the pool.
Each individual user should find a way of reading or locating the
articles they want by using the computing facilities at their
disposal.  For all those who have "emacs" on their systems you can use
"gnus" which allows you to look at the titles of the messages pretty
easily.  I am sure with a little reading and asking around such
facilities should be available in most News readers.
	Bottom line is we already have too many groups as it is :)))))

Ndiyoyo,
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:27:22 EDT
 <1992Aug14.130037.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <1992Aug14.184534.15066@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University

ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:

> This is what happens when people learn football rules from sports
> announcers.  There is no such rule.  The ground *can* cause a fumble.
> Ignore the announcers.  They're idiots.
> 
> But you already knew that, didn't you?

   Sure did.  I always watch the TV, but listen to the radio.
                                                       
   I didn't get the rule from announcers, though -- I've heard the amplified
voice of the referee saying that there was no fumble becuase the ground caused
the ball to come loose.  I've also heard them say that there was no fumble
becuase the runner was down.  The fact that officiating crews distinguish
between these instances leads me to believe that the is actually such a rule.

   Of course, if you've got a rulebook I won't argue...
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Packer News
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:02:31 GMT


This morning's paper reports that Ken Ruettgers has agreed to
terms on a one year contract,  His agent said "I'm not
particularly happy with the deal, but I don't think it's proper
for Kenny to hold out any longer."  Sounds surprisingly reasonable
for a player agent.

I think Moran's still out.  Any word on Mandarich's health?

Waived:  FB Walter Dean, NT Chris Williams, and WRs Linzy Collins
and Pat Jackson.

-- 
"Take out the work 'Quayle' and insert the word 'Bush' wherever it
appears, and that's the crap I took for eight years.  Wimp.
Sycophant.  Lap dog.  Poop.  Lightweight.  Boob.  Squirrel.  Asshole.
George Bush."        -- George Herbert Walker Bush.
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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:42:14 GMT

(John Turman) writes:

*Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't `Da Bears about 4 bricks shy of a load? By
*that I mean sure you need two OL's but if you ask me I think you could use two
*speed burners as wide outs too. Yeah I know you have Willie Galt but where is
*the other deep threat? 

 Where have you been? Willie Gault has been with the Raiders for a few
 years now. And you think the Bears are losing their marbles?

 As for receivers... the Bears have Ron Morris and Wendell Davis as their
 primary deep receivers and Tom Waddle and Dennis Gentry across the middle.
 Anthony Morgan sprained a knee in practice yesterday and is expected to
 miss a few games.


 --
 Michael                      
      


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From: stesan@auto-trol.com (Stephen Sanford, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Elway's backup?
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:43:40 GMT

In article <jjonsson.105@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>
>Don't hate me because I'm stupid, but what happened to Gary Kubiak?

Kubiak retired at the end of last season.  He's now a coach at Texas A&M.
-- 
*********************************************
  Steve Sanford, Jr. (stesan@auto-trol.com)
 I work at Auto-trol Technology Corporation,
     but my boss is a Jewish carpenter
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:06:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug19.125806.13525@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...

>I agree, the Packers should let him sit.  Buckley is being totally 
>unrealistic and is acting like a 15 year old.  The interesting thing
>is the Packers have made respectable offers throughout the negoitations
>(unlike Braatz's initial offers to 1st round picks).  This contract
>could have been done before camp if Buckley and his agent would 
>get a clue.  Since the Mandarich bust, I've realized the 1st round
>picks are not likely to be the savior of a lousy team.  Have fun
>in the minor leagues Terrell.

Okay.  So Packer fans on the net are in total agreement.  I wonder if 
this represents the attitude of most Packer fans.  I remember when 
they were having trouble signing Majkowski and Mandarich.  I think it 
was split 50-50 amoung the people I talked to as to whether the 
Packers or the player was more to blame.  (Management turned out being 
correct in both of those cases although they more or less gave in 
eventually anyway.)

In this case I think it's fairly obvious that Buckley's demands are 
outrageous.  He wants to get paid like a baseball player?  Okay, say a 
baseball player gets $4M per year.  On a per game basis that'd come 
out to about $400K per year for a football player.  I think the 
Packers should offer him $400K.

You can't blame a guy for trying to get everything he can.  It sure 
paid off for Mandarich.  But I think it's gone way past that now.
Anybody know the details of Buckley's contract with the Braves?  How 
much is he getting paid, when does he start working out with them, and 
where will he play?

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Niners tip Deadskins!
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:45:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


SF beat Washington this AM 17-15 on a 48-yard FG by Mike Cofer with
no time left.  I realize that it was a meaningless game, but it
sure felt good to see the Niners come out on the winning end
of a final-second FG for a change.

- Steve Young played the first half and looked so-so;  Steve Bono
  played the second half and looked great.  I'm getting close to
  wanting Bono as #2 on the depth chart.

- The running game took a step backwards today.  Apart from a
  rather exciting reverse-field sprint by Ricky Watters, the
  Niners' first attempt against another NFC team didn't look so
  great.  Amp Lee did almost nothing.

- The Niners' WRs looked generally super, which is good news with
  Jerry Rice still sitting out.  Ron Lewis deep-fried a couple of
  defenders, and Troy Kyles, who's probably their #6 WR, turned
  in some great catches.

- The pass rush looked pretty good, considering that it was facing
  the best OL in the league.

- Special teams is still on the mend but seems to be getting better.

All in all, a pretty fair showing against the world champs.  If I
had to make a prediction today, I'd say 11-5 even without Joe and Jerry.
-- 
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