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From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: Down the drain?  It's been down there all the time...
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:18:29 GMT

In article 6928, <1992Dec18.212554.1@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au>,
j_isler@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au writes:

  |> Sad but true.  I went home this summer and found out that most of the      
  |> software they use over there are pirated.  People don't even feel guilty   
  |> about it.  They just don't see anything wrong with it.  I mean that's just 
  |> as bad as robbing a company!  Filipino morals have definitely gone down the
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
  |> drain.                                                                     
  ^^^^^^^^^                                                                     
  |>                                                                            
  |> Edsel                                                                      
  |> --                                                                         
  |                                                                             
  |Sad but true. For that matter I think most Filipino in Manila don't          
  |feel guilty at all on most other things as well. Pissing in public,          
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          
  |and spitting in public were just few of my observation.                      
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                      
  |That's just like messing up own's living room.                               
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                               
  |                                                                             
  |Joey                                                                         

If that is THE kind of morality one's principles in life is solely dependent
upon, THEN, you truly are going to be disappointed starting from very far back
in the past, the present and will continue to be in the future.  Also, it
is NOT going down the drain.  My (I am a Filipino, aren't you) morals have been
below sea level ever since and the incidence is going smoothly flat - constant.
You are going to continue to see me piss, spit, etc... <so sue me>.

The above is not just a backstab against Filipinos.  I take all the responsibility
for those words and I am accepting them that they ALL apply to me too because 
I AM A FILIPINO (aren't you?).
      
(Lord, Jesus.  I am sorry for blowing my top on this one.  You did it once too
when people messed with Your Father's House.  I know though that that is not a good
excuse for me to do it too.  I am very sorry and won't do it again.)
                                                             
"Jesus is the reason for the season" and He is the REAL highest priority in my 
moral standards.

Really, I just want to say "Happy birthday to JC" and "Happy Holidays to all".

-Marida (a pissed-off Filipino passing by...exodus again.)
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Yuletide Dialect Translations
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:34:57 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

In Cebuano, I think that would be "Maayong Pasko" and "Malipayong Bag-ung
Tu-ig."  That's how I remember hearing it around where I'm from anyway.

George


In article <29800026@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means) writes:
>  Philippines has hundreds of dialects.  I'd like to see anyone of us
>  write/speak "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year" in their native
>  dialect.  I'm Visayan but grew up in Cavite City.  Therefore some
>  part of the town speak "Chabacano" which is really some form of
>  Spanish language.  Since I neither speak Visayan or Chabacano, can
>  anybody translate.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: willemsdawnm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: wedding customs?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:16:06 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


I am currently doing a paper on wedding customs of different societies.  I
would appreciate any information anyone can provide for me. 
Please send info to willemsdawnm.bvc.edu

thanks
dawn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak,soc.culture.esperanto,soc.culture.filipino
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Czechoslovakia
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:24:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec21.002422.18732
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: ck984@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Petr Podruh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: !POZDRAV Z CECH ! GREETINGS FROM CZECH!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 09:06:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi all,
 We are students from Czech, studying at West Bohemia University
in Pilsen. We want to talk with you. If you want it too,
then send mail to us.
 Our address are ck984 (Peter) and ck741 (Paul).
------------------------
Ahoj,
 Jsme cesti studenti, studujici na Zapadoceske universite
v Plzni. Radi bychom si s Vami dopisovali. Jestli mate take
zajem, poslete maila.
 Nase adresy jsou ck984 (Petr) and ck741 (Pavel).
------------------------
From: pavelz@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Pavel Zivny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: toys in CSR - all 'Made in Taiwan' yet ?
Summary: whatever happened to company called 'Igra' ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:16:17 GMT
Reply-To: pavelz@tekig6.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


	Hi,
	I would like to get some of the toys I remember fondly from my
    childhood for my kids; however friends from CSR write to me that they
    can't find any ... for example the little toy bulldozer, the kind
    which runs on one 4.5V flat battery (I know, hard to come by in the
    u.s.), the non-tank kind ...

	When I was in CSR last Christmas, the shelves of the toy stores
    I went to were quite void of toys, sometimes with the exception of
    the HongKong/Taiwan made and every now and then some (usually
    fairly nice) wooden toys.

	Did the older style, mostly metal sheet mechanical toys go the way
    of the dodo bird already ?  Anybody knows where to get those, or has
    any interesting info on the subject ?

		thanks
				Pavel

				  Pavel R. Zivny

	email			   work phone			M.S.
pavelz@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM	 (503) 627-4755, or -2316 	47-786
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton, Oregon
(...!tektronix!tekeda.pen.com!pavelz)    [UUCP]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: New year in Prague
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:55:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.113928.21619@kth.se> petrus@stacken.kth.se (Lars Petrus) writes:
>
>   I'm going to Prague for a few days around new years eve with some
>friends. We have nothing specific planned, but we're pretty used to take
>things as they come. Still, I would be glad to know of thing we can,
>should or must do in Prague on new years eve.

The Los Angeles Times Travel section a couple of weeks ago claimed that
on New Year's Eve Prague was full of drunken Germans and Italians
throwing up and beer bottles on the Charles Bridge. True?

Dick Jackson
From: bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: Where is Karolina?
Date: 10 Dec 92 20:34:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: mndcrme.bn.01fg
Distribution: usa
Organization: Operation Mindcrime
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Robert Ehle (ehle@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: I have seen no news from Charles University for almost a month.  Does
: anyone know why?
:

I've been receiving my Czech version without any problems. About a month
ago they converted to an automated list server, so you might have to
resubscribe. Here is the info at the end of each CAROLINA:


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a dopisy posilejte na adresu, uvedenou v zahlavi.
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From: petrus@stacken.kth.se (Lars Petrus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: New year in Prague
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:36:29 GMT
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden


 jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
> petrus@stacken.kth.se (Lars Petrus) writes:
>>
>>   I'm going to Prague for a few days around new years eve with some
>>friends. We have nothing specific planned, but we're pretty used to take
>>things as they come. Still, I would be glad to know of thing we can,
>>should or must do in Prague on new years eve.
>
>The Los Angeles Times Travel section a couple of weeks ago claimed that
>on New Year's Eve Prague was full of drunken Germans and Italians
>throwing up and beer bottles on the Charles Bridge. True?

   I'll try to check that, if I have the opportunity...

  -  -  -  -
"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of
 himself.  Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?"
                                --- Thomas Jefferson

Lars Petrus, Solna, Sweden  -  petrus@stacken.kth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: arbi@iris.polymer.uakron.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: Truth is bitter !
Followup-To: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) 
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:11:50 GMT

you seem to be overlooking one point: why do you assume that those
letters supporting brahminism in indecent language are from
brahmins? do you have any basis for this claim? considering the
heat of these arguments, the passion expressed in the mails, i'd
not hesitate to suggest that there may be a few people who are
'rigging' things up.

what other caste that you haven't got indecent mails from, have you
abused on this net? i don't remember you writing ill of nadars,
mudaliars, christians, .... so why should you expect to get indecent
mails from them?

i'm trying to point out the prejudices in today's people (sample: you)
as against the prejudices of yesterday's people you point out (sample:
brahmins of yesteryears). if today's person isn't free of prejudices that
he claims plagued the previous generations, how much farther in evolution
is he?

this letter is supposed to make people think before they say anything -
nothing more, nothing less.

peace an' luv,
arbi
-- 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sundaram@me.uta.edu (Ravi 'Kity Bum' Sundaram)
Subject: Crazy Mohan's Classic Lines (was Re: Thiruppaavai Verses)
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:36:36 GMT

In article <9212150645.AA24682@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:

>     Some Maargazhi jokes from a S.V.Sekhar drama ( Crazy thieves in
>   Paalavaakkam )
>     [ S.V.Sekhar is the character Uppili, Maithili is his sister,
>      Ramunujam is his father ..]
>
>    Ramunujam : Endaa Uppili, Maargazhi maasamum adhuvumaa, kuLikkaama 
>		ippadi? .. thiruppaavai theriyumaadaa unakku?
>
>    Uppili : theriyaama enna,                 
>	      `maargazhith thingaL
>	       madi niRaiyap pongal'
>
>    Ramunujam : pongaL illadaa asaththu!
>
>    Uppili : illappaa , oru maamaa ippadith thaan paadeendu kanchaa
>	     adichchuNdu vandhaar..
>
>    Rammunujam : kanchiraa adichchuNdu vandhaarnu sollu..
   ------------------------

>   > Regards,
>   > Aravind.
>   > srin@cs.cornell.edu
>
>    - Maitrayi
>   ________________________________________________________________


	"Crazy thieves in paalavaakkam" is the best effort by Crazy Mohan.
	The opening scene cascades with so many jokes and one liners
	that the laughter of the audience drowns every alternate joke.
	To the best of my memory the lines go like this:

Dad	: ennadaa uppili maargazhi maadamum adhvuma kuLikkaama...	
	  maarghazhi maadam enna nadakkum, theriyumaa?

Uppili 	: perumaaL kOvilil suNdal kidaikkum.

Dad	: suNdalilEyE iru. suNdalukku munnaalE enna nadakkum?

Uppili	: suNdal "q"vilE adi thadi nadakkum.

Dad	: thiruppaavai theriyumaadaa?

<	The lines mentioned earlier >

Dad	: naan sollarEn. thiruppi sollu.
	  "maargazhith thiNGaL.."

Uppili	: maargazhith thiNGaL ...

Dad	: mmm appuram..

Uppili	: maargazhich chevvaay

Dad	: sani! sani!

Uppili	: illEppaa. thingaLLukku appuram chevvaaithaan. sani illE

...... it goes on to the reading of morning news paper, the memorable
	advertisement about missing person "naadamuni, Age 70",
	(inda thaLLaada vayasilE, nadakka kooda mudiyaadu, 
		Odip poyittaar)
	mahamaayi maNGaLam, etc.

	Great comedy. I think Crazy Mohan could give Jay Leno or
	David Letterman a run for their money.


	Ravi Sundaram
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: Caste based magazines
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:28:00 GMT

Sankarapandi, quotes from a Iyer magazine, in which it talks of
(1) the future being brighter for Brahmins in TN,
(2) the action they should take to protect their caste.

I should commend them for the first one, as a lot of Brahmins
feel that their future is not good.

The second one is not at all surprising.
I am SURE there are similar magazines for each caste, who
wish to organize to protect their own caste.
Is it worth posting from all these magazines and
fighting who is right and who is wrong?

Is n't that the obvious result of caste-based reservation
(instead of family education or family wealth)?
If you introduce a reservation for tall people, the
short people will organize to protect themselves.

K. Srinivasan   at Hydro Quebec   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:4238 soc.culture.indian:40358
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info request - which movies ...
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:48:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.tamu.edu

Hi

Could some one tell me which movies these songs are from? I would prefer
email replies. My email address is:

		rgopu@cs.tamu.edu

1. mallikai poo pooththirukku    (starring Arjun, music Chandrabose)
2. vaa vaa vanchi iLa maanE
3. sandhana kaaRRE  (Rajini)
4. thangam ivaL angam
5. thalaiyai kuniyum thaamaraiyE
6. keeRavaaNi
7. O vasantha raajaa
8. mEdaiyil aadidum melliya poongaaRRE
9. idhazhOdu idhazh sErum nEram }
   jaathi mallikai              } same movie (stg Murali)
				  there are 2 other great songs in this movie
				  any one remember what they are?
10. paadinaaL oru paattu
11. paadaatha pattellaam paadavanthaaL
12. Ezhisai geethamE

Thanks
--
Gopu
------
rgopu@cs.tamu.edu			ParukkuLE nalla naadu
Texas A&M University			EngaL Baaratha naadu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Vairamuthu????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:43:07 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.151635.3562@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sramamoo@nyx.cs.du.edu (
Darth Vader) writes:
>O.K. This is after following the postings by several netters on
>virasa kavithai. It is common that a lot of the new tamil songs are
>too explicit. At the same time accusing vairamuthu alone is not
>correct one. Even the old tamil poets have written poems which are
>too explicit. You can see these in kambaramayanam, nalavenbaa etc;
>If I remember correctly arignar anna wrote a book called
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^

>'kamaba rasam kaama rasam'. We have to take the good ones and enjoy them
>rather than banishing poetsbased on a few songs.
>
>Darth Vader.


     You are right. But the list stop with this.  The sama Anna and his
disciples (Karunanithi et al.) also did the same in Tamil literature and
movies.  I can give you plenty of examples.


S. Sankarapandi
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 36
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:43:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47119
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


  	"vaazhkkai enpathu viyaapaaram !!-athil
   	jananam enpathu varavaagum !! - ingu
   	maraNam enpathu selavaagum !!

	pOnaal pOgattum pOdaa !"
	
   	From "pOnaal pOkattum pOda..."

	Contributed by Kathiravan Krishnamurthy.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. Anecdotes or personal experiences that
directly relate to the minnal varigaL are also welcome.
----------------------------------------------------------
From: sundar+@cs.cmu.edu (Sundar Vallinayagam)
Subject: Re: Forgot part of a poem
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:00:47 GMT


Hmmm...  10th standard mappAdap paguthi seyyuL.  My program
is running and spitting out results in slow-motion.  My very
degree might depend on what path it charts for itself.  The
tension is high...  To take my mind off it (and to reduce
ten-sion to nine-sion) I will try to recap that wonderful song...


      Pongarin nuzhaindhu vAvi pugundhu
      Pangayan thuzhAvi paingadi mayila mullai
      Malligaip pandhar thAvi
      Kongalar maNang kootundu
      Kulirndhu mellendru thendral
      AngAngE kalaigaL theRum
      Arivan pOl ..... anrE.
        ^
        |------  Even the sanga kAlap pulavan knew about me! :-)

If you neglect the spelling   mistakes and the gay (the British gay)
abandon with which I have interchanged the Tamil Ra and ra (not the
Egyptian Sun God), and also ignore the way I've split the lines,
you will be surprised to find that the mean-squared
error between my recap and the original is indeed small.
That the poor pulavan who wrote the might turn in his grave if
he reads the above is another story...

PS:  I think if you replace the .... in the last line
     with iyangum, it would reduce the MSE by about 10 dB.



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From: rama@maruti.Eng.Sun.COM (Rama Rao Chetlapalli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Adiyar on Periyar
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:37:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rama@maruti.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: maruti

This article is good. I do not know much about Periyar, other than that he is
the founder of DK. And my impressions of DK(I do not know much about that also)
are that is athestic and anti-Hindu.

It seemed to be Periyar is much mis-understood because of his actions and the
actions of his followers. He is like Mahammad(founder of Islam). Now I can 
understand why he likes Buddhism among all religions.

 

-rama

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: No future for brahmnis in TN (was Caste based magazines)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:07:06 GMT

In <1992Dec18.211432.16827@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan) writes:



>In article <BzGwMo.888@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes...
>>Sankarapandi, quotes from a Iyer magazine, in which it talks of
>>(1) the future being brighter for Brahmins in TN,
>>(2) the action they should take to protect their caste.
>> 
>>I should commend them for the first one, as a lot of Brahmins
>>feel that their future is not good.
>> > 
>>K. Srinivasan   at Hydro Quebec   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca


>Yes, I fully agree with you from the experiences I have seen with my
>friends/relatives/myself. The suggestion I give is to study hard in any field
>they can get in to (we know that medicine and engg are not for talented people
>in TN) even it is B.A economics, and get out of TN to another country or to
>another state. 

>But as we say in Tamil "The educated is respected anywhere", I see lot of
>bright guys landing in US with just B.Sc, or B.com and doing very well
>especially in the computer industry and I might add that most young
>professionals who land up here from TN are brahmins though I do not have any
>statistics to prove it. 

>I think brahmins can do more from abroad for the welfare of the poor cousins in
>TN. Though I do not know or believe in TAMBRAs a similar organization to uplift
>brahmins in TN should be formed (Thamizha ina unarvu koll) and I do not find
>anything wrong with that (like chettiar sangam or vanniar sangam).

>RT

>Now you can start flaming...


   You don't have to feel worried. The Brahmins have always had ina
uNarvu. They have to be commended for that. They have and will
control Indian Politics and others for sometime because of
ina uNarvu.
 Here is the list.
  1.Nehru
 2. Indira/ Rajiv indirectly
 3. Rajaaji-who cleverly tried to deceive by bringing kulak kalvi
 4. Shastri
 5. vengkatraaman
 6.rao.
 7jeyaa. 8. Sharma etc   

 Kathiravan

Kathiravan