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From: marcos@iota.Berkeley.EDU (Marcos Valerio)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: latin square-like problem
Keywords: magic squares, latin squares
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:36:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.6721
Reply-To: marcos@iota.Berkeley.EDU (Marcos Valerio)

I have a nice little problem for you.

I need an algorithm to build n*n latin squares with two extra properties:

P1: All the elements in the main diagonal are different and equal to the row
    (or column) which they belong.

P2: If for each row we select the element equals to row-1, they will all be in
    different columns.

For example: 

 n=3: 
 ----

  0 2 1
  2 1 0
  1 0 2 

 n=5:
 ----

  0  2  4  1  3
  4  1  3  0  2
  3  0  2  4  1
  2  4  1  3  0
  1  3  0  2  4

Please observe that in both cases the elements in the main diagonal are:
0, 1, 2, ..., n-1 and also if we select the Aii-1 elements from each row,
they are in different columns.

There is no solution for n=4.

In my solution there is a separate algorithm for odd and even numbers, but
I don't think it is the best one. That's why I'm posting the problem to you.

I came across this problem when trying to simulate broadcast in a ring
based network. Details can be given upon request.

Thanks,

-- 
Marcos de Macedo Valerio
Center for Distributed Systems
Department of Computer Engineering
University of California, Santa Barbara
Phone : (805) 893-4461 office
        (805) 685-9677 home
email address : marcos@nu.ece.ucsb.edu
From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Songs containing states
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:02:23 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1e4ipaINNk2i@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <Bxqn5G.5F7@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, deghare@daisy.uwaterloo.ca (Dave Hare) writes:
>>
>>Actually, I think the line referred to here is: "Nothing could be finer than
>>   to have your ham'n eggs in Carolina", which comes from Chattanooga Choo Choo
>
>No, he was, indeed, quoting properly.  The song goes something like:
>	Nothin' could be finer
>	Than to be in Carolina
>	In the morning.

The reference to Chattanooga Choo-Choo is also correct. Also,

	When you hear the whistle blowing eight-to-the-bar
	Then you know that Tennessee can't be very far

from the same song.

-- 
Anders Thulin       ath@linkoping.trab.se 	013-23 55 32
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
From: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Songs containing states
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:17:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g214-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

(Please excuse our mess.  We are repairing our apostrophe/quote key.
We apologize for any inconvenience...)

I think state songs (Beautiful Nebraska) and school songs (On  
Wisconsin) are cheating.

There is a song about a pony named Wildfire which mentions
a cold Nebraska night, and a James Taylor song in which he
wants to leave the Nebraska town he is in (imagine that).

Kansas City Star (Roger Miller)

...Michigan seems like a dream to me now.. 
...counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike...Paul Simon

Indiana wants me, Lord I cant go back there..???
Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny sing ..And what Im  pinin fors
a yellow moon thats shiiiiiinin on a little red barn on a 
farm down a-Indiana way-ayayay

Theres Missippi Delta Blues   by Leon Redbone.

Kaptain Kangaroo once played a song that went something like
All I own, all I owe, I owe Iowa
I owe Iowa all I owe and all I own...

bart
From: sarwate@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Dilip V. Sarwate)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Random Points on a Sphere
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:55:15 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu

isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak) writes:

>Four points are randomly selected from the surface of a sphere.
>What is the probability that all four lie in the same hemisphere?
>How about for 5 points?  6?  more?

One simple-minded solution (which doesn't worry about boundaries) is as follows.
The first two points picked, together with the center of the sphere, define a
plane that divides the sphere into two hemispheres.  The two points are on the
boundary dividing the hemispheres.  With probability 1, the third point lies
strictly in the interior of one of the hemispherical surfaces, and this becomes
our chosen hemisphere (the first two points, being on the boundary, are included
by courtesy in the chosen hemisphere.)  Thus, assuming that the points are
picked with a uniform distribution over the surface of the sphere, the
probability that the fourth point lies in the chosen hemisphere is 1/2, the
probability that the fifth point also lies in the chosen hemisphere is 1/4, etc.
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein)
Subject: Kit Williams' old new book
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:48:10 GMT

The question on Kit Williams book "Masquerade" reminded me: in (I
think) 1984, Williams wrote another book. The puzzle of this book was to
find out the title; the book was generaly known as "Kit Williams' New
Book," but the real title was hidden somewhere in the story, which
involved a beekeeper and the four seasons. After you figured out the
title, you were supposed to send it to Kit Williams, represented in some
non-verbal fashion-- say, as a sculpture, or a musical piece, and
Williams would pick from among the correct answers the most creatively
expressed one. The winner was supposed to be announced in 1986, but I
never heard anything about it.

Does anybody know what the title ended up being? Or what some of the
clues were? Or who won? Or what some of the non-winning entries were
like? Or what Kit Williams has been up to since then?
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Songs containing states
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:22:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.211056.9143@news.media.mit.edu> paul@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Paul Dworkin) writes:
>A listing game:
>
>I'm interested songs which mention states in the US.
>I'd like to have a list of at least one for each.
>
>Could people send me ideas for various states?
>I've included a list below and some example.
> Alaska
North To Alaska-Johnny Horton
> Arizona
Arizona-Mark Lindsay (of Paul Revere & The Raiders)
> California			California here I come
Hotel California-Eagles
California Girls-Beach Boys
> Colorado
Rocky Mountain High-John Denver
> Indiana
Indiana Wants Me-?
> Kansas
Kansas City-Wilbert Harrison
> Kentucky
Message To Michael-Dionne Warwick (spread your wings...Kentucky bluebird)
> Massachusetts
Massachusetts-BeeGees
> New York			I'm in a New York state of mind
New York, New York-Frank Sinatra
> Tennessee
Memphis-Chuck Berry/Johnny Rivers
> Texas
Yellow Rose Of Texas
> Virginia, West
Country Roads-John Denver
Organization: Senior, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:08:12 -0500 
From: "Steven C. Seel" <ss7t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Packing Fraction

Here's an easy one (actually I noticed this done incorrectly in a
technical paper; a minor mistake but still . . .)

	Imagine a volume V composed of touching spheres each with radius R. 
Now imagine that same volume composed of spheres in the same geometrical
arrangement, but of radius 0.5R.  Assume that the lengths of the sides
of the volume are much greater than the radii in question, and that
surface effects are negligble.  Does the packing fraction (volume of
spheres/volume V) increase, stay the same, or decrease?  I realize that
this question is very easy if you plug numbers into equations, so can
you give an explination in words that takes only geometry into
consideration.  Do the surface effects change the answer to the question
above?


Steve

P.S.  Sorry if these types of questions seem pointless since it is so
easy to plug numbers into equations and get the correct answer.
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: hudu@well.sf.ca.us (Scott Marley)
Subject: Re: Kit Williams' old new book
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:26:58 GMT


We solved "The Bee on the Comb" at the time--I don't remember the details,
but I think it involved finding the hidden animal in each picture and then
taking the last letter of each, "end to end" as it said.

Scott Marley
hudu@well.sf.ca.us
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From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: Re: Billion-year survivability
Organization: York University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:16:16 GMT

bob vesterman :
> why not put your message on a letter, put it in an envelope and
> mark it, "DO NOT OPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER 17, 1000001992"?

Because, over the next billion years, there will be millions of wars,
millions of mass migrations, thousands of asteroid and comet impacts,
hundreds of ice ages, lots of cycles of continents smashing into to
each other - and both literacy and numeracy will continue to decline
monotonically.

Our descendants a billion-years from now won't know that it is an
envelope, that it can be opened and contains a message, and that the
ink marks on it have any meaning.  The fact that everybody will have a
Ph.D. will be of no help.  Universal doctorates in Inter-Personal
Sensitivity will granted automatically at the end of grade 20 of
compulsory PlaySkule.

--
tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada

Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: kanad@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Kanad Chakraborty)
Subject: Re: Mastermind - some EASY questions.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:59:33 GMT

In article <BxzoJH.7Gn@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:
>These questions aren't just easy - you can hardly get them wrong!
>
>
>1. What is the best thing to do when following a very slow car ?
>
>2. What is the term for a single run through a compiler ?
>
>3. What is a common slang term for an implicit sexual suggestion ?
>
>4. What is the most usual method of obtaining the ball in basketball ?
>
>5. What is the most commonly heard call in contract bridge ?
>
>
>Good luck.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>              Bill Taylor              wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Galaxies - results of chaotic amplification of quantum events in the big bang.
> Free will- the result of chaotic amplification of quantum events in the brain.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

The answer to all these questions : pass.
Kanad
From: strgh@csv.warwick.ac.uk (J E H Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Kit Williams' old new book
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:38:48 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <BxwnxD.E9E@cen.ex.ac.uk> DKSmith@msor.exeter.ac.uk (David Smith) writes:
...
>
>The book was called "The Bee on the Comb"
>but it never got as much publicity as the
>book "Masquerade" ... after all, the media
>were more interested in the valuable prize
>in Masquerade.
>
...
As I remember, the book was called `Bees Only Sting'.
If only I'd worked out the solution to `Masquerade' as quickly as that!

... SPOILER FOLLOWS ...
















(if only I'd worked out how to insert ^L's...)




The solution to masquerade involved not only ordering the limbs
(as someone already said) but also ordering animals: Adults, Children,
Hares, ... (Slugs & Snails don't count), then drawing lines from the
eyes of the animals (in order) through the ends of their visible limbs
(in order) to hit the letters round the outside of the pictures.
(No I didn't discover this by myself).

P.S. on the `States in Song' thread, don't forget `Moonlight ON Vermont'
     by the estimable Captain Beefheart.

                -- Ewart Shaw
-- 
J.E.H.Shaw,  Department of Statistics,  |  JANET:  strgh@uk.ac.warwick.cu
             University of Warwick,     |  BITNET: strgh%uk.ac.warwick.cu@UKACRL
             Coventry  CV4 7AL,  U.K.   |  PHONE:  +44 203 523069
Sarah (20 months) on first seeing juggling:  `Balls skipping in the sky'.
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From: ansok@stsci.edu (Gary Ansok)
Subject: Re: Great turtle race
Reply-To: ansok@stsci.edu (Gary Ansok)
Organization: TRW, c/o Space Telescope Science Inst., Baltimore, MD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:54:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.182241.3270@draco.macsch.com> jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.192101.13105@hellgate.utah.edu> tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:
>>Quite peculiar!  Yet no turtle placed the same in both races.  Happily,
>>after they computed their overall rank for the day every turtle got
>>a medal.. gold, silver or bronze for 1,2 or 3rd.
>

>The first race:   E A B D C F
>The second race:  A C D B F E
>
>The medals:  gold, A; silver, B C D E; bronze, F.

This depends on the interpretation that if there is a tie for one
place, then all of those tied win that place and the next place
is awarded to the next one down.  In other words, the turtles
finished 1-2-2-2-2-3.

I don't agree with this -- I would consider Frank to have finished
6th overall in this ranking and would thus not be awarded a medal 
(no bronze medal to be awarded when multiple silvers given out).
Isn't this how the Olympics do it when there is a dead heat?

The only finishes that I would consider to allow every turtle a
medal are:  1-2-3-3-3-3, 1-1-3-3-3-3, 1-2-2-2-2-2, and 1-1-1-1-1-1.

I come up with 5 possible race outcomes; 7 combinations of which satisfy
the restriction that no turtle finish the same in both races.  Three of
these combinations give each turtle a medal under the "loose" tie policy,
but no combination satisfies the tighter tie policy.  (Also, no combination
satisfies the interpretation with medals for each race.)

Race outcomes:

  A C D B F E
  A E D B F C
  D E F A B C
  E A B D C F
  E D A F C B

Combinations:

E A B D C F
A C D B F E             A gold  B/C/D/E silver  F bronze?

E A B D C F
A E D B F C             A/E gold  B/D silver?/bronze?  C/F bronze?

D E F A B C
E D A F C B             D/E gold  A/F silver?/bronze?  C/B bronze?


E D A F C B
A C D B F E             A gold  D silver  C/E bronze  F ---  B ---

E D A F C B
A E D B F C             E gold  A silver  D bronze  F ---  B ---  C ---

D E F A B C
A C D B F E             D gold  A silver  C/E/F bronze  B ---

D E F A B C
E A B D C F             E gold  D silver  A bronze  B ---  F ---  C ---

Gary
-- 
Gary Ansok           ansok@stsci.edu
A second Flood, a simple famine, plagues of locusts everywhere,
Or a cataclysmic earthquake I'd accept with some despair.
But no...You sent us Congress.  Good God, Sir, was that fair?
From: jgk@osc.COM (Joe Keane)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: SURWDKGO
Summary: What is it?
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:20:20 GMT
Reply-To: Joe Keane <jgk@osc.com>
Organization: Versant Object Technology, Menlo Park, CA
Weather: cloudy, high 63, low 47
Moon-Phase: waning crescent (20% of full)

What is the next letter in this sequence:

ETIANMSURWDKGO

There is a definite answer.

--
Joe Keane, amateur mathematician
jgk@osc.com (uunet!amdcad!osc!jgk)
From: umahf69@ma.ic.ac.uk (Nairo Aparicio)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: expected distance between points in a sphere
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:27:31 GMT
Organization: Imperial College Mathematics Department

In article <1992Nov20.072501.16998@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, fgg@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Frank G. Gomez) writes:
|> Two small problems:
|> 
|> Given two random points within a sphere of unit radius, what is
|> the expected straight-line distance between them ?
|> 

I only know basic things about theory of probability, so I am going
to try to guess the answer.

Given a random point within a sphere (such that the probability that the
point is in a volume V is 3V/(4 pi)), the expected straight -line distance
between the point and the centre of the sphere is 0.75 (I mean, the average
of a continuous distribution with density 3x^2, 0<x<1).   If we add another 
point, the expected relative position of that point with respect to the former
is that when both points are on the same diameter (this is because of the symmetry).
so I would say that the answer might be  2*0.75 = 1.5.  (but I am not sure).


|> Given a square sheet of paper, make three folds (nothing fancy, just a normal
|> fold).  At the end you will get a polygon.  What is the maximum number of sides
|> this polygon can have ?  Can you generalize to n folds (assuming the paper has
|> no thickness) ?
|>

I am going to guess again.   How about 4+5*n  where "n" is the number of times you
fold the square sheet?

					Nairo Aparicio
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From: mag@cs.uiuc.edu (Tom Magliery)
Subject: Re: Mini-FAQ
Reply-To: mag@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:36:08 GMT

In <62246@mimsy.umd.edu> sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith) writes:

>I propose that somebody creates a mini-FAQ containing the *really*
>frequently asked questions...  Proposed entries:
>[he nails several bigtime offenders]

One more proposed VFAQ entry:  A mention that the real FAQ contains
answers to MANY questions like "What is an English word that contains
5 consecutive vowels?"  or "What is the longest/shortest English word
that ...?"

This is a FANTASTIC idea.  Now we need a volunteer to construct it...

mag
-- 
Tom Magliery ** Dept of CS ** 1304 W Springfield ** Champaign IL 61820 ** USA
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Songs containing states
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:04:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov20.141510.9185@linkoping.trab.se>, ath@linkoping.trab.se (And
ers Thulin) writes:
>In article <1e5k5mINN7di@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>>=
>>=    Chattanooga Choo Choo
>>=    ---------------------
>>
>>Most versions begin with a prologue:
>>
>>      Hi there pal, what you say?
>>      Step aside partner it's my day.
>>      Bend an ear and listen to my version
>>      Of a really solid Tennessee excursion.
>
>This is not a real part of the Chattanooga Choo-Choo song.  It's the
>usual intro Tex Beneke used to do when he occasionally graced the
>microphone in Glenn Miller's band.
>
>The first line is Glenn's question, the last three Tex's response.
>
>There were several other occasions when similar intro's were done.
>'The little man who wasn't there' is one I remember.
>
>--
>
>But since Tennessee *is* mentioned in the song, it obviosly belongs on
>the list. Or is someone collecting songs where a state is mentioned
>twice?
>
>--
>Anders Thulin       ath@linkoping.trab.se      013-23 55 32
>Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
>
I don't know if this is still on going, but what about Huey Lewis' Heart of
Rock and Roll, Jagger and Bowie's Dancing in the streets, Almost any state
song, James Taylor's Going to Carolina in my mind.
-- 
MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
758-0207
MLSA

"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: macster@IASTATE.EDU (Michael C Mccarty)
Subject: Re: message for the future
Reply-To: macster@IASTATE.EDU (Michael C Mccarty)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:30:58 GMT

In article <10159@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>, tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM
(Trevor German) writes:
> 
> 	Re: sending a message to the future.
>                 ...... 
>
> 		I have a much better idea. Take a dead satelite. A big one,
> 	like say the moon. Then blast its surface with  enough nukes to
> 	make an easily recognisable pattern that would be only partly
> 	erased by comet and meteoride collisions. Then just for good measure,
> 	adjust the rotational velocity of the moon so that the message
> 	always faces the earth. The message could be something like
> 	a big face......................
> 

Ummm.....  I kinda always thought that the moon always DID show the same side to
the Earth.... That's why its called the "Dark Side Of the Moon".

I suppose you say that over the next couple million years that the moon's
rotational velocity will change enough to change the face, but, then again, over
the next couple million years, the millions of asteroids and meteors hitting it
will probably change it quite a bit as well.

				Just Nit-pickin',
				Mike
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: Billion-year survivability
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:55:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.025956.9361@cs.cornell.edu>, karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
=)Now, what is the power of the signal you receive back after a billion
=)years, after taking into account the dissipation of the signal over
=)these large spheres of propagation?  (Just to add insult to injury,
=)don't forget to include the Doppler red-shift due to the motion of
=)your reflector due to the expansion of the universe.)  What is an
=)appropriate unit in which to measure the power?  electron-volts
=)per second?  Or micro-, pico-, or atto-ev per second?  Per year?

Pick a frequency and try photons/minute.
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From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.org.mensa
Subject: Hard Analogies
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:09:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.puzzles
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


1. Host : Guest :: Cynophobia : ?
2. Mountain : Plain :: Acrocephalic : ?
3. Lover : Believer :: Philofelist : ?
4. 4 : 6 :: Bumblebee : ?
5. 2 : 1 :: Major : ?
6. 1 : 24 :: Group : ?
7. 4 : 64 :: Crotchet : ?
8. Last : First :: Grave : ?
9. 7 : 9 :: Throne : ?
10. Pride : Hatred :: Beelzebub : ?
11. Dollar : Bond :: Grant : ?
12. Ek : Sankh :: 1 : ?

If any are unanswered in a week, I'll post what I had in mind.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
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From: isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak)
Subject: Random Points on a Sphere
Reply-To: isaak@Aurora.com
Organization: The Aurora Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:17:09 GMT

This problem has me stumped:

Four points are randomly selected from the surface of a sphere.
What is the probability that all four lie in the same hemisphere?
How about for 5 points?  6?  more?
-- 
Mark Isaak           "Every generation thinks it has the answers, and every
isaak@aurora.com      generation is humbled by nature." - Philip Lubin
From: shamrake@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Danil Suits)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Billion-year survivability
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:52:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Another possibility is to just write the message
down and send it via USnail.  It wont GET there
for about the right length of time :)

Dont forget the zip code

Danil
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-- The Shamrake --    You just can't top the
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