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From: osuch@islsun.Kodak.COM (Bill O'Such)
Subject: For sale
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Distribution: ny
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 22:57:27 GMT

Gaastra 9.0 sq. m. Racefoil - $299
Gaastra 5m carbon mast - $225
(9.0 sail and carbon mast - $460)
Windsurfing Hawaii clamp-on boom 4' body, complete - $99
Thule car rack for cars with gutters - $55

Spring is finally here !
From: william@festival.ed.ac.uk (W.Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: BIC ELECTRIC ROCK WANTED
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:20:02 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <74100127@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com>, poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton) writes:
|> >  Seriously, IMHO the electric rock has too much volume for a 260.
|> 
|> Nah, it just has too much volume for a sinker.  We use board lengths
|> because they're easy to measure, but you're right that at 107 liters,
|> the E-rock is no sinker.  This is generally not a problem, since most
|> shop folks I've talked to recognize that and class the E-rock with the
|> other ~100 liter boards. 

 Yes indeed, but if you want a "marginal" rather than a "sinker" it
seems sensible to get one that can carry a reasonable size sail. My
gripe with the E-Rock is that it is (for most sailors) either too
floaty for a 260 or too short for a marginal. I suppose I disagree with
the concept- it ought to have a limited market (260 for heavyweights)
but instead has been really popular!
 Still, all power to Bic, the board has sold very well. I guess this
just shows that they know the market better than I do!

 At least it gives me a good subject to pontificate on :-).

 
|> Besides, the original poster never said he wanted a sinker.

 Yes, that's true too. I suppose that (as well as an overpowering urge
to pontificate :-) I wanted to make it clear that I thought that the 
E-Rock was *probably* a poor choice. Apart from anything else it would
mean that he would get snobs like me winding him up :-) (not that that
is likely to bother anyone, of course!).

	W.

PS. Just in case anyone is wondering why I think 260cm is too short for
   a marginal board, it is generally recognised that a large sail with
   it's Centre-of-effort located a relatively long way behind the
   mastfoot is less comfortable on a shorter board because it is more
   prone to spinout (C-E is over the fin) thus a 270-275cm board will
   carry a 6m sail (say) more easily than a 260.
    Naturally it is possible to use a 6m sail on an E-Rock (so don't
   jump on me!) but it will, generally, be more easy & comfortable to
   use it on, say, a Mistral Screamer (275cm, 103 litres).

 -- 
VitSea 292, Tiga Slalom, Baxter 270 wave and half a Fanatic Bee,
6.2 Topsail 5.1/4.6 Tushinghams 4.2 sShokwave & half a Gaastra 3.2 :-)
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From: enbody@ss33.cps.msu.edu (Dr Richard Enbody)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Looking for a PFD?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:35:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University

My kludge for a PFD is to wear a standard Omega (?) canoeing
vest.  I happened to own one.  It is a lightweight Class III
vest which looks like it is made of a bunch of long skinny
rectangles.  It has a zipper and a tie around the waist.
I wear it with a waist harness by not zipping it and tying
each end of the PFD waist line to the harness bar.  Tying the
lines down keeps it on me in the water; keeping it unzipped
lets the life jacket hang out of the way of the hook.
It works amazingly well, probably because the vest is
light weight and flexible.
I sail on Lake Michigan and feel better having a PFD.
The flotation is nice for learning to waterstart which
I still haven't mastered.

-rich
enbody@cps.msu.edu
From: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:34:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I don't remember the details, but when Consumers Reports looked at
sunglasses, they found that most of them worked just fine for blocking that
nasty UV stuff.  More than $10 or $15 is mostly fashion.

I like my Pro-Tec helmet OK.  The shade of green isn't quite as chartreuse
as I'd like, though.

I like the kayak-style life vest I wear for serious conditions, too, so
I'm obviously style-unconscious.
From: cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: ABK camp for Northwest
Summary: Repost
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:36:30 GMT
Reply-To: cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR


	Hey Seattle,Salem,Eugene and Portland sailors:

	I'm trying to reach the intermediate sailors who are stuck
at the "learning to water-start, learning to jibe" phase of
their sailing.

	The ABK instructors will be in the area the weekend of
July 11-12.  If there is enuff interest they will teach a
2-day clinic at Odell Lake in the Cascades. This is an excellent
lake to learn your waterstarts and to have a first short-boarding
experience. Average windspeed is 20mph+ from noon - dusk. This
lake is driven by the same thermals that drive the Gorge wind
tunnel.  It's located approximately 70 miles SE of Eugene off
of 58.

	I expect the cost to be approx $100/sailor, equipment will be
provided, but you will be responsible for your camping equipment
and meals.  The Demo Van with the latest Bic and F2 equipment
will be there.  The instructors will be Andy Brandt, Alf and Paul
Imperato and others if needed.  The idea is to have 1 instructor
for every 4-5 sailors.

	If you are interested please send me e-mail, or contact me
at (503)690-1116.

Chris Perret
From: knudsen@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (michael.j.knudsen)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Indoor Windsurfing - Paris / Bercy
Summary: Brush jump
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:39:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr2.171830.15659@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@hila.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:

> Even though the ramp didn't work quite as well as it should have, some
> were able to complete forward loops and tabletop jumps. By the end of
> the competition most of the sailors seemed to be really afraid of the
> ramp. IMO, a new and safer ramp should be designed before the next
> indoor event. Here in Helsinki, I remember the locals building an
> artificial ramp that looked like a giant brush. As far as I know this
> kind of ramp also broke fins, but I feel that the basic idea was a lot
> better than the one they are using for indoor jumping right now.

Thanks for the report on the indoor event.
Brush-type ramps have been around for ages on water-ski courses.
I had to learn to windsurf on a ski lake (hope St Peter gives me credit
for the hours already spent in Hell :-) and there was a pair of ramps
with broom straws planted in their surfaces.

Trouble is, these bristles would still snag on a skeg/fin,
so you'd have to cut a groove channel thru the bristles for the fin,
and then you're back to needing very accurate sailing.

Maybe special low-aspect-ratio fins will be developed for the indoor
sport (and I thought pinball was the most fun you could have standing
up indoors -- well, dry anyway).

Water skis, of course, don't have fins to speak of.

PS: If a good ramp can be developed, why restrict it to indoors?
Put one at The Huts and we can all practice wave jumping.
Ever notice how ski boats never cut in front of you when you're
really planed out and would just love some wake?
-- 
"Starbase, this is 1702: Suspect exceeded speed-o'-light, over!"
"OK buddy -- slow to impulse!"
	knudsen@ihlpl.att.com
From: kak@sequent.com (Keith Kelleman)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: understanding pilot weather reports
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:12:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr7.061242.5442
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes:

>Does anyone out there use air pilot weather reports to find out the
>current wind speeds?  I've used them in the past, but often I don't
>understand everything they are saying.  For example, are they giving
>wind speed at mph, kph, or some other measurement?  Do they give high
>altitude wind speeds first, before the ground speeds?

There are two aviation weather reports I use:

Surface Aviation (SA) reports come out hourly and report the current
conditions at the airport (ground level), e.g.

	PDX SA 0450 CLR 15 260/42/37/3005/030

The report was at "0450" GMT.
Wind is "3005" which means winds from 300 deg (true)
at 5 knots.  You might also see "0000" meaning wind is calm, or
"305G20" meaning 300 degrees 5 knots, peak gusts 20 knots.

The pressure is reported as "030" meaning 30.3 inches. (either
a leading 2 or 3 is added whichever makes the value closer to 30.0)


The other report I use are Terminal Forcasts (FT's) which are
issued at least three times a day and generally have a wind forcast if
its expected to be strong.  The wind notation is the same as above,
and the report is also for ground level, e.g.

	PSC FT 070202 70 SCT C200 BKN 2414G20.  05Z 250 SCT 2306.
	20Z VFR NO CIG.  NO AMDTS AVBL AFT 07Z..

The "070202" means the 7th at 02 GMT, valid until 02 GMT on the 8th.
For 02 GMT, winds forcasted at "2414620" and by "05Z" (05 GMT or zulu),
the winds become "2306"

You might also see "WND" at the end meaning winds in excess of 25 knots
are in the outlook.  (I think its 25...)
Note: FT's are notoriously inaccurate, and the weather
forcasters change them at the drop of a hat.

The are also winds aloft reports (FD's) that forcast winds at 3000, 6000,
9000... ft MSL (mean sea level).  The wind encoding is the same
as above.  They do not cover ground level.

Hope this helps.  The only places I've seen these described are
in pilot handbooks although I assume there is a Government publication
that describes them in detail.

Keith
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:49:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Slalom Board Advice
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> For reference, I am 160lbs and usually sail in 4.0 to 5.5 conditons in
> the San Francisco Bay in moderate chop and swells.  In the last two
> years I have broken:
> 
> 	- 5 Seatrend Epoxy II boards
> 	- the finbox on my ASD board (twice)
> 	- 4 booms
>           - a 2 year old WSH clamp on
> 	  - A 6mo old Fleetwood Carbon
> 	  - A 4mo old '91 DaKine T8 Slalom
> 	  - A 3mo old '91 ART Wave (twice)
> 	- 1 6mo old WSH gold mast base extension
> 	- 2 WSH universals
> 	- bottom half of my 2 yr old North aluminum 2 piece mast
> 	- a 2 wk old 2 piece Fiberspar performance red carbon mast
> 	- 3 sails
> 	- 3 fins

Wow, Matt, that's a lot of swimming!  Or maybe you should start a 
new thread on in-the-water repair techniques, you must have a lot.

I heard someone else say that the reason you break so many fins and
finboxes is that when you jump off a swell, you tend to land with the
board pointing upwind, i.e., somewhat sideways to your direction of
travel.  True or false? 


Ken "can't believe I bought a used sail from this guy :-)" Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
From: colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Mistral Ecstasy
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:50:29 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <1992Apr3.023850.994@athena.mit.edu>, hanu@athena.mit.edu (Hanumant
Singh) writes:
|> Has anyone (an unbiased observer as opposed to someone from Windsurfing 
|> magazine) sailed the Mistral Ecstasy ? Would love to hear impressions
|> regarding general characteristics.

I have not, but I already put a message on it, and I am now trying to sell my
new board to buy one. Here is what I posted 3 weeks ago in this group:

French "wind magazine" has just made an extensive test of the 7 production true
wave boards available in france:

Copello Radical Wave (I own one)
Mistral Ecstasy 
F2 revolution
Fanatic mosquito
Bic Alto
Tiga Wave 250
Tiga Wave 257

The mistral winned hands down. they say it is a true wave board, but with
enough speed to have fun even at 15 knots and not get into trouble if you hit a
lull in the impact zone. I didn't have the chance to try one, but I sailed with
somebody on it, and it seemed true! I seriouly regret buying my copello instead
of it (the mistral was available just one month after I bought mine!)

otherwise, they say the the Copello is a true hookipa board (in fact it is a
replica of polakov "strapper" boards), so it is very sinky (70l of vol), and
doest get into a plane till 25 knots, having tons of lift. (I confirm this!
That's why I had to buy a second board, for small conditions) It is however a
pure joy once on the wave, you actually handle it like a surfboard (thats why I
didn't re-sold it to buy a mistral). They say the F2 is also a true wave board,
less radical than the copello, but still needing lots of wind...

The mosquito and alto are a bit old now, but they said very good things on the
tiga, the 250 for high winds & waves, and the 257 for light air (but can
handle big waves easily)

The conclusion of the article was that now it was becoming harder to find a
shaper able to consistently make better boards than the 5 best production
boards, and that all these boards were good, but had different personalities. 
I second this opinion, too. I only had custom board before Oct 91, but now I
think only competitors will buy custom boards, or special (heavy/light-weigth)
people...

Personally, I would advise you to go for the mistral, which is not the most
expensive, too. (or the copello or F2 if you are lightweight). The tiga are
molded, so are very impact-resistant (great for traveling), but develop heavy
pressure dents under the heels if you are into jumping, and, being a bit
heavier (2lbs more), are efficient but do lack a bit of this subjective feeling
of "snappiness" that is typical of custom boards...


-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research, Koala Project, GWM X11 WM
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
From: colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses, lost items
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:09:07 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <1992Apr6.185335.28054@netlabs.com>, gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard
Horan) writes:
> PS: Where do other people keep their keys?

in some small magnetic box you put under a wheel passage (can be done very
casually, so it is not spotted easily). I have another key that stays ALWAYS
deeply wired under the car for the once-a-year ocacsion when I forget even the
magnetic box inside the car...

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research, Koala Project, GWM X11 WM
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
From: poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Rigging 1992 N. Prizma Sails
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:36:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronze.1992Apr8.183644.13508
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Apr8.183417.4139@netlabs.com> gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan) writes:
>
>I just got two new sails yesterday, 5.0 and a 5.5 North Prizma ( 1992). 
>I also bought  the correct mast, North Carbon Base with the 220 Top.
>
>Should I be able to downhaul the sail so much that the TOP of the sail is
>complete loose? ie wrinkles between batten 2 and 3.

Sounds about right.

>I downhauled as hard as I could but the sail did not get  that sickly
>loose looking TOP.
>
>My boom is a chinook clamp-on boom, with no out haul the draft is so deep
>the sail is against the boom. DO I need a new boom or should I apply
>some outhaul?. The instructions indicate that no tension should be
>on the outhaul. When they say no tension do they really mean no tension?

Yes, that's no tension AFTER you get the proper downhaul tension.

I do not have one of the new Prisma's, but I have a Waddell Race that is
pretty similar.  The fact that your draft is so deep tells me that you
do not have enough downhaul tension.

In order to get enough downhaul, alternately tighten the outhaul and the
downhaul until the sail is flat enough.  Tighten the battens and then 
release the tension on the outhaul.  Do not tighten the battens until
the sail is completely downhauled.

>PS: I also bought a 1992 4.3 Infinity, any advice on rigging that
>also appreciated.

Try rigging it on a North wave mast.  IMHO, the carbon and aluminum masts
are too stiff for the 4.3.

Bob Poortinga  (6'0", 180 lbs)      It's a hard wind that's gonna blow...
(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)      ... R. Zimmerman
[O'Brien 8'8", Bic Hard Rock 9'3", O'Brien GS Race 12', North & Waddell quiver]
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@hila.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: Indoor Windsurfing - Paris / Bercy
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.092528.5959@cs.ruu.nl> harald@gnu.cs.ruu.nl (Harald Vogt) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr2.171830.15659@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@hila.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
>|> The ramp was also very close to the far edge of the pool, so really long
>|> jumps were extremely dangerous and bailing out seemed like a wise thing
>|> if it looked like you were going to hit the edge.
>
>Last year Teritehau jumped out of the bassin and landed close
>near the box-office of Bercy. The organizers urged him strongly to stay
>in the bassin this year :-),

Some sailors still managed to do this. Jason Polakow did something a bit
more interesting: when returning to the starting end of the pool, he
launched his board from the chop and bailed out. The board and rig flew
out of the pool and almost hit some people there. Looked cool...

   ____________________________________________________________________________
  / Juri Munkki	    /  Helsinki University of Technology   /  Wind  / Project /
 / jmunkki@hut.fi  /  Computing Center Macintosh Support  /  Surf  / Arashi  /
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From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: BIC ELECTRIC ROCK WANTED
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:10:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.windsurfing, william@festival.ed.ac.uk (W.Warburton) writes:

>  Yes indeed, but if you want a "marginal" rather than a "sinker" it
> seems sensible to get one that can carry a reasonable size sail. My
> gripe with the E-Rock is that it is (for most sailors) either too
> floaty for a 260 or too short for a marginal.
> 
> PS. Just in case anyone is wondering why I think 260cm is too short for
>    a marginal board, it is generally recognised that a large sail with
>    it's Centre-of-effort located a relatively long way behind the
>    mastfoot is less comfortable on a shorter board because it is more
>    prone to spinout (C-E is over the fin) thus a 270-275cm board will
>    carry a 6m sail (say) more easily than a 260.

	Just to clarify, the E-Rock is 265 cm or 8'-8".  The mast track 
	is positioned equal distance from the tail as most 9'-0"s and
	9'-2"s.  That is, the distance from the mast track to the nose
	is where the sacrifice was made.  This board sails and carries
	a sail like a 275/280.  It should not be thought of as a 265,
	but rather a 100+ liter board for light to medium wind (as
	Ken said.)
From: seiffert@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ray Seiffert)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Keys and wetsuits
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:34:01 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

My solution to the key problem was to get two extra door keys, one
for me and one for my wife, and put them on a string that hangs
around my neck inside the wetsuit.  Very secure and relatively
easy to get at.  The normal key ring is locked inside the van.

Ray Seiffert
seiffert@hpcc01.corp.hpcom
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 03:29:22 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

> Also, does anyone want to recommend a good helmet, or tell me which
> to avoid?  I guess confort and safety are the key issues, though
> apparently they aren't rated like bike helmets.

There is a really interesting helmet that I may order that puts a shaded
visor rated for UVA and UVB out in front.  So you get full head and
facial protection, but you also avoid the need for sunglasses while
preserving a full field of view.  The helmet is called the Gath, and
it's sold by Murray's Marine in Carpinteria, CA.  The phone is
805-684-8393.  If anyone else has used the helmet I would appreciate
comments.

Thanks,
Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:23:18 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <1992Mar31.001657.27591@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> drake@spot.Colorado.EDU (Linda Drake) writes:
>aoldham@descartes.waterloo.edu (Alex Oldham) writes:
>
>>I'm curious as to how many people wear contact lenses when windsurfing, and
>>if so, do you have any problems?
>
I've worn soft lenses for years while sailing. I prefer to wear sunglasses as
well but don't always. I have lost one lens during a faceplant and have
dislodged lenses on occasion. Once while about a mile out at Coyote, a lens slipped out of my eye and I was able to grab it off my eyelash. I undid the Velcro
strap on my mastfoot protector, put the lens inside and covered it over with 
the Velcro strap. Back on the beach, I retreived the lens and put it back in my
eye.

I also like to clean my lenses after I've been out at Coyote. I think they pick
up a lot of crud from the polluted water. No problems at other sites.


Jim Munro
From: hartman@fanatic.EBay.Sun.COM (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Windsurfer one-design for sale
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:34:38 GMT
Reply-To: hartman@fanatic.EBay.Sun.COM
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: fanatic.ebay.sun.com

Freestyle one design for sale, complete and a few extras...

$350

Call Craig at 408/268-0639

***  Don't email me ***
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: davis@oyster.smcm.edu (Peter Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: F-2 Lightning Race info
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:22:29 GMT

Any opinions on this board?  A guy here is selling it for $650.

--
Peter W. Davis
Programmer/Analyst
St. Mary's College of Maryland
davis@oyster.smcm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman)
Subject: understanding pilot weather reports
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:32:52 GMT

Does anyone out there use air pilot weather reports to find out the
current wind speeds?  I've used them in the past, but often I don't
understand everything they are saying.  For example, are they giving
wind speed at mph, kph, or some other measurement?  Do they give high
altitude wind speeds first, before the ground speeds?

Is there some guide to understanding these reports?  I imagine the
pilot schools teach people to interpret them.

Many thanks.

	--Charlie Hileman			ARPA:  chaz@vicorp.com
	  V. I. Corporation			UUCP:  uunet!vicorp!chaz
	  Northampton, Massachusetts