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From: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer)
Subject: Re: Metabolic Rate question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:33:05 GMT

I can't be sure, but I think that they use the basic formulas you've given, and
they  neglect metabolic factors.  THis is why they want you weight for a stairclimber or exercise bike.  For example, If they assume you take 8" steps, and there are 20 steps per floor, then from knowing your weight, they can calculate the
work that you did.  Using my weight (Mass) and the above assumptions, I came
out to within 7 calories of what the Stairmaster says I do.

	The airdyne ergometers that schwinn has are much more accurate, because
they work on a principle known as the fan laws, which state that Work = Velocityto the third power, so using a speedometer, they can tell you how much energy you are expending.

	Again, the calculations that any machine arrives at are based on how
much work (at a minumum, assuming no friction losses, improper form, etc.)
is required to do that activity.  You may burn more than what they say.

	In any event, that is how they calculate their numbers, I think.  If I
am wrong, please correct me, it wouldn't be the first time.

	Finally, if all you ahve to say is some smart remark like OK Mr. Physicssave it.

Magdi
magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Loss of Energy midway through a set
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:21:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.142031.611@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.163725.5915@cis.ohio-state.edu>, rviswana@violin.cis.ohio-state.edu (r viswanathan) writes:
>> 
>>   I am 22 years of age, 6' tall and weigh about 157 pounds. I work out
>>   6 days a week for about 40 minutes per session. I know I am not
>>   overtraining  because my back and legs are making progress.
>>   Can anyone suggest a remedy?
>> 
>>  --Thanks
>
>It sounds like you might be experiencing carb depletion.  In other
>words,depending  on what I consume for carbs during the day before my workout, 
>will determine how well my workout will be.  If I eat little carbs during the
>day, my muscles will not be able to work as hard as when I consume alot of
>carbs.

Rob,
Your comments on carbs and their effect upon workout intensity are well
taken, but if ths were Ram's problem (not enough carbs in his diet),
then, would that not effect his lower-body training as well?  For that
matter, would it not _especially_ effect his lower-body training?

Keith R

>Try this:  on a day that you are experiencing this problem, during your workout
>, drink a bottle of Twinlabs Ultra Fuel.  This is loaded with glucose.  After 
>about a half an hour, you should feel a little bit better.  If this works, then
>you know that you are experiencing carb depletion, if not, then the problem 
>could lies elsewhere.
>
>-Rob
>> 
>>   Ram Viswanathan.
From: jhgillespie@ucdavis.edu (John Gillespie)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: NordicTrack vs. NordicSport?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:43:09 GMT
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Center for Population Biology, UCD

I was all set to buy a NordicTrack Pro when I bumped into a
NordicSport Store.  Decisions...  Which is better: the traditional
wood NordicTrack or the upscaled carbon-fiber NordicSport?  I
called both 800 numbers and each representative (they are down
the hall from each other) preferred their own product (surprise).
Both claimed that the new NordicSport is more 'flexible'.  The NordicTrack
guy explained that NordicSport was started because some patent or tariff
thingie prevented sales of the original NordicTrack in Canada.  So, is
the NordicSport a quickly thrown together machine designed by marketing
to increase sales, is it a significant improvement on a dated classic, or
are they both functionally equivalent, or what???  Any help would be
greatly appreciated before I empty my wallet.

John
From: mckay@VFL.Paramax.COM (Donald P McKay)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: confused!
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: mckay@vfl.paramax.com
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Paoli, PA

In article <1993Jan8.145529.28931@newstand.syr.edu>, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:
|> 
|> I'm so confused!  All this stuff about number or reps, sets,taking
|> things to failure... I dunno how to approach my workout!  I've
|> recently lost about 80 lbs and want to build definition and tone
|> but not especially (or much) bulk.  How do you build definition
|> without building bulk (short of losing bodyfat)? ........
|> ......
|> Can anyone recommend any books? 

(I agree with others comments about losing fat to build definition....this
note specifically focuses on one way to build definition.)

Take a look at "The 12 Minute Total Body Workout" book by Joyce Verdal.  It is
an oversize book and I've seen it in almost all of the mall bookstores
(Walden's, etc.). 

The "program" advocated in this book is one of doing low-weight, high rep
isometric and dynamic tension exercises which over the course of a week's
program go over the "entire" body a couple times.  The book also includes some
claims about this program being a good one for definition as opposed to
body building (eg, bulking up).  While the books uses 3 lb weights, all of the
exercises can be performed or adapted for weight machines of various sorts.

I like this program because I do some travelling without excessive amounts
of free time -- the rationale and program are well suited to my life schedule.
I also like what approximately 4 months of adding this kind of workout into
my normal exercise routine has done.....I think it has added some definition
to my shape. I use 3 kg weights instead of the 3 lb weights and do a higher rep
counts for many of the exercises. 

I'd be interested in hearing about other's experinces with this or other
"programs" in this style but under a different subject heading.....

Cheers


			  ==================
			      Don McKay
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: "kwansik kim" <kkim@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: bad posture
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:23:44 -0500

In article <1993Jan11.075514.14192@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> dmwalter@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Dave Walter) writes:
>I have looked through the indexes of many fitness/health magazines
>for articles on this subject, but most just stress the importance
>of good posture without giving a good set of instructions for cases
>like mine.  Can anyone out there help?  References would be useful,
>but I would prefer tips or suggestions from those who have seen this
>type of problem firsthand.  Is there some sort of therapy available?
>
>There is some urgency here, as I'm scheduled to take part in a social
>occasion in a few months....
>
>Thanks in advance!  :-) 
>

I had a chance to watch Fitness Pro on ESPN this morning.
One of instructor said working on upper back muscle can help
to fix hunched posture. He claimed the tension created by the muscles
can hold shoulder much better.
I guess firm ab could help although the instructor didn't mention it.


>-- 
>               __
>Dave Walter    \/    dmwalter@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
>"That's enough singing for now lads, looks like there's
>dirty work afoot."

Kwansik Kim
From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:48:54 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov

In article <1ia86vINNnuj@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago) writes:
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>According to the charts my target heart rate for working out should
>be 135 -165 but I frequently find myself going at 170s or 180s.
>Is this dangerous?  I could slow down but then I don't feel I'm 
>working hard.  All I do is 25 - 30 minutes on a Nordic Track 4 - 6 
>times weekly.  Since I'm limited for time, I want the best workout I can 
>get (but don't want to keel over).  
>
>P.S I suffer no cheast pains during the workouts.
>

Yes, but can you speak without gasping for breath after every word.  It seems
that you are doing more of an anaerobic workout more than an aerobic workout.
One should be able to carry on a fairly decent conversation while working out.
I have been told by my doctor that 3-4 hours of MODERATE aerobic execise a week
is MUCH better than 5 or 6 bursts of high intensty anaerobic exercise a week.

Mike Behnke
Fermi Nat Accel Lab
Batavia, Il.
My opinions are my own, and MOST of them don't mean a thing !

mb
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Re: LF or FF Oatmeal Cookies
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:00:09 GMT

In article <9057@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> roat@rrc.chevron.com writes:
>>Does anyone out there have a recipie for low-fat or fat-free
>>oatmeal cookies that they'd be willing to share with the rest of us?
>>
>>Or alternately, is there any low-fat butter substitute that is good for
>>cooking?
>>
>>Thanx in advance.
>>
>>					Dave
>
>
>Just don't put the fat in.  Where is it written that you have to
>make cookies with butter, margarine, or oil?  Add more moisture from
>

   Specifically, replace the fat (oil, butter, whatever) with an
   equal amount of applesauce.  This will not effect the taste of
   the cookies.  It might effect the texture.

   Replacing the fat in baked goods with applesauce is becoming
   more and more popular.  I've done it with muffins, and I've heard it
   works with cookies.

   Let us know the results if you try it.

		Bonnie


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
Originator: glex@nitro
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:23:21 CST



In article <1iabc6INNb2d@fnnews.fnal.gov>, behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV writes:
> In article <1ia86vINNnuj@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago) writes:
> >be 135 -165 but I frequently find myself going at 170s or 180s.
> >Is this dangerous?

I've been kind of goofing around with a better measurement than the HR and
the old talk test, since everyone reads "a normal conversation without gasping
for breath", differently, so I've been paying attention to my breathing rate..
 i.e. how many breaths taken during a certain time.  For me, 6-7 breaths / 10
seconds seems to be about right.  I'm not sure if this is a better measurement, 
but it gives a number to shoot for instead of an unmeasurable "gasping for 
breath".  (sure you know when you're there but it's when you're working at too 
low that's hard to measure.)  Nothing scientific but it's easier than trying to
find your pulse, count it, time it, and pay attention to where you're going...
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tscwhitehead@cc.weber.edu (Clarke Whitehead)
Subject: PowerBar replacement
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Weber State University
Date:  4 Jan 1993 17:50 MST  

I've been buying PowerBars and other high-protein snacks to have after I
work out, because I typically can't get home right after to eat.  At $1.59
per bar, however, they seem somewhat expensive.  Does anyone know of other
alternatives or recipes I can use that would give me something with the
convenience of PowerBars which can survive for a few hours in hot or cold
environments before being consumed?

Clarke

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Loss of Energy midway through a set
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:07:12 GMT

jcross@aud.alcatel.com writes:

>The loss of energy 1/2 way thru the set is probably a result of the
>extended lay-off.

I was wondering about the effect of an extended layoff myself.

Because of Christmas holidays, too much turkey, champagne,
caviar, plum pudding, .. as well as a cold, I am pretty out of 
shape.

I went to the pool to do some 500's. I noticed that using about
the same level of exertion, they got easier and faster with each
succeeding set. By the last one I felt quite good.

Usually, the first one is the easiest, and they get harder
and harder.

Does anyone else notice this effect? What does it mean?

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: 003695s@axe.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE)
Subject: Beginner Program
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:59:26 GMT

  Well, as it must be obvious by the subject line, I'm a beginner who needs 
a program.  I figure I can go down to our well-equiped gym about 4 times per 
week.  My main goad is to gain weight, where the main problem is that I'm 
allergic to eggs and asthmatic (although not seriously so).  I'm a 5'8" 125 
pound male.  You figure it out.
  So, anyone know a good beginner program?
---Steph

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Pull-overs?  Useful or what?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:13:24 GMT

In article <C0r1H4.889@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jjlawren@garfield.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>This is one that is a mystery to me...what is it for?  I can see a
>dumbbell pull over exercising your upper lats.  Earlier today I see
>a posting about them working your lower pects too.

I know from personal experience that the bent-arm pullover will work
the lats, serratus, lower/outer pecs, and have some effect on the abs
as well. I am talking about pullovers on (not across) a flat bench.
I almost forgot, it does stimulate the triceps too.  The pullover was
of the first upper-body exercises that I ever did, as the "bench" that
I had to work with, when I started training in my mid teens, was much
too wide to allow for a decent set of bench press.  It does everything
that I said it does, but unfortunately it has no effect on the
upper/inner pecs.  I never experienced any problems/discomfort from
doing them.  I shy away from them these days, as my outer/lower pecs
are still quite a bit more developed than my upper/inner pecs, and I
am working to correct that. Also, my rib cage is plenty deep, I am
satisfied with my serratus, and lats are "not a problem".
>
Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: root@metis.tti.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Questions about Skipping Rope
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:54:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.145502.16346@rchland.ibm.com> alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In article <2B421671.26460@news.service.uci.edu>, robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush) writes:
>|> 
>|> I was thinking about incorporating rope skipping into my routine, which  

>Well, I can't say I'm experienced, but I do/did skip rope quite often.

There used to be a product on the market called a HeavyRope, or something 
similar.  It was a very heavy jump rope (plastic tubing filled with lead
shot, I'd guess.)  I haven't seen it lately.  Does anyone know if it's
still on the market?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Muscle cell memory: is there such a theory?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:57:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.063719.12055@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> paul@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Paul Lalonde) writes:
>One person told me that this is a phenomenon called "cell memory". Since
>muscle mass increase is due to the fibres themselves hypertrophing and
>not actual production of new muscle, he explained that since the muscle
>fibres had been subjected to extreme stress repeatedly (and subsequently
>becoming more massive) in the past, they were still somewhat receptive
>to such stress/repair cycles. In short, he said that the body doesn't forget
>physical stresses that physiologically alter its makeup, and when exposed
>to them in the future, will revert to "ready-made" defensive techniques.
>(Like the immune system).

Another speculation I've heard is combined nerve/muscle memory.
In many paralyzed people muscles atrophy even though they are mechanically exercised because
the nerve stimulation isn't there anymore.
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: My left elbow clicks (ouch)
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:18:56 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

On a few exercises (the wide angle pull-up on the Gravitron, and
forearm curling with hand weights) my left elbow clicks painfully. I
have to let go of the weight or bar to fully extend my elbow past that
point (It feels "wrong" to continue with the weight. I could, but it
would hurt)
  What is this and what can I do about it? I've seen a post about this
before but I forget what the outcome was. My elbow didn't USED to do
this.
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES POLY-UNSATURATED MEAN
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:25:34 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation

>I hate biochemistry.  Why not teel us which fats are good and bad?  Which
>ones won't make us fat?  :-)

More seriously, I doubt if anyone knows for sure.  There seem to be some general rules of thumb
in the zeitgeist (consensus of the time), but the details change a lot and contrary studies
appear.  To me this means moderate observation of the "rules", but not get too fanatical
should today's wonderfood become tomorrows poison.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES POLY-UNSATURATED MEAN
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:48:15 GMT
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> I hate biochemistry.  Why not teel us which fats are good and bad?  Which
> ones won't make us fat?  :-)

As far as calories go, they're all equally bad (9cal/g).

In terms of effect on the heart, however:
saturated=BAD!
monounsaturated=good
polyunsaturated=better,but hurts the immune system

  |
--+-- Andy Lipscomb
  |   lipscoja@(ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu,vuctrvax.bitnet)
  |   Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Subject: Re: Concept II Ergometer cross-training w/running
Reply-To: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Organization: Environment Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:46:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.190452.16544@tron.bwi.wec.com>, banchy@tron.bwi.wec.com (Banchy) writes:
|> Apologies if this is a FAQ, but I don't have access to any rowing 
|> newsgroups.  I'm considering purchasing my first "real" piece of
|> home exercise equipment (other than a windtrainer) for full-body
|> workouts, and I wanted to hear from anyone about the Concept II.

I bought my Concept II in Sept 91 and continue to use it 3-4 times/week.  I tried several other
models but settled on the Concept because the design is simple. There are few moving parts so
it should last for many many years. The only maintenance required  since I bought it is oiling
the chain. I feel it is one of the best cardio-fullbody workouts currently available. My wife 
bought a Nordic Track last winter because she wasn't thrilled with the rower. I find the Nordic
 Track gives a good cardio workout but I don't get the same POWER workout as from the rower.

As far as cross training with running goes, I started running last April. I was running three days per
week and rowing two. I had to quit running in September because of my illiotibial band {at least that's
what my docter is saying} but I still row without any problems. I'm going through  x-rays, physio
and dynamic tread-mill tests to find out the cause of my running pain but that's another story.

 Rowing is a good cross training excercise because: 
                                - it is a great cario-vascular workout
                                - it helps build stamina
                                - it gives a full body workout
                                - it developes different leg muscles than running
                                - it's not a boring workout

The price was $1200 Cdn for a new machine. I dought they've gone up much since. I haven't 
seen any adds regarding used machines. You can try calling Concept @ 1-800-245-5676

Douglas
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From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: high reps + low weight = BIG muscles
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:58:58 GMT
Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov

In article <1993Jan7.091453.11079@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ayoung@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

> So why do women who do lots of aerobics develop huge calves ?

Could it be because of all of the jumping, stepping, etc. involved in aerobics?
When one is "bouncing" up and down, the leg muscles are doing the most work.

Mike Behnke
BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
My opinions are my own, and MOST of them don't mean a thing !

mb
From: jocelyn@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jocelyn Leger)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:00:44 GMT
Subject: New technology for % body fat?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

Has anyone heard of a supposedly new method of determining percent body fat
called light interactance?  It is being offered at my company and I was 
wondering if it was accurate.

Thanks,

Jocelyn Leger