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From: ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: now no longer Re: My Ugly American post for the year....
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:22:42 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct9.145022.9383@vax.oxford.ac.uk> halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> 
>
>See what I mean? Here we have a true English patriot, for all his
>abuse of Gary Spain.
>:-)
>Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK

I'm not going to deny this, but I catagorically deny that I am in any way
British :-).  It reminds me of 'Dinny Byrne's' statement that he loved the
Scottish, the Welsh, and the English, but hated the British!!! 


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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead, Travolta, the Rats and the Pope
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:43:24 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

aidan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Aidan Thompson) writes:

>the story, as I imagine Sinead was not really bashing the pope, but was 
>reliving a fond moment from our collective youth. I refer of course to the
>sight of the Boom Town Rats ripping up posters of John Travolta on Top of the
>Pops, after bumping him (and Olivia Newton John) off the No. 1 spot. Who knows,

>P.S. Can anyone tell me a simple strategy for 'reading' 99% of the posts
>in this group without actually having to read them, if you get my drift.

shut your eyes and hold the 'n' key?

BTW the 'incident' was covered by the brit press : the Daily Telegraph
had an article on it. Not much to add to what was posted here.
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Question
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:58:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.Bw6I5p.9zE
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Oct15.143758.16281@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>From article <Bw4L7u.7Gv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)):
>> I've just stumbled upon this newsgroup and was wondering if one of
>> you-netters here could help me out.  
>> 
>> For the last few weeks I've been trying to find the Scottish or
>> Celtic word for "Legend".  I've been a long time enthusist of
>> Old English writings and ballads and I've been looking for a few
>> good "Old English" words to complete a poem I've been writing (for my
>> ENG305) class.  
>> 
>> So if anyone can help me out, Please either post or mail me
>> the spelling for the word "legend".  Thank you in advance!
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------
>> Marla Belzowski  (OK OK, I know it' Polish, bu my grandma's maiden name
>> was Elliott -- Honestly!)   
>> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>> 
>I think you might be looking for an old, possiblely, Saxon word for
>Legend. Wouldn't this be more appropriate, it would be an oxymoron to
>talk about a Old English Celtic word.
>
>I know I am being pedantic again (but I am SURE Matthew will agree with
>me on at least this point). 
>
>														GW


 Sure, I guess Saxon would do it.  I haven't had much luck so far even
 finding a good starting point. 


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 Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.pudue.edu
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scots Gaels
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:46:30 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited

In article <1992Oct7.160937.20955@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>In article <Bvr67o.GwH@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes...
>> 
>In many areas, it is the so called white settlers' children who are
>making Gaelic playgroups viable. This may have something to do with
>the fact that incomers perceive the language as having more of a future,
>than the people who grew up with it and saw it decay for many years.

The committment of the "teachers", the spirit, the additional funding for
facilities, wanting to belong all play a big part.  Its also envy, there's
no pleasanter rhythm than (what I think of as) a soft gaelic speaker.

Alan


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: Scottish Newsgroup
Summary: Hm, they've let =me= bring in meat products ...
Keywords: haggis meat products US customs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:42:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.153547.15916@news.nd.edu> ulick@stravinsky.helios.nd.edu 
(Ulick Stafford) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct7.221811.25815@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca 
>>(Ray Dunn) writes:
>>>
>>>Unfortunately neither the US nor Canadian Customs allow _any_ meat products
>>>to be imported privately.  Foot 'n mouth, Mad English Disease, things like
>>>that you know.
>
>I have never had a problem.  When I come back I always fill in the yes to
>have you been on a farm or are you bringing back any meat, etc.  I hand to
>the customs guy and walk straight through.  What`s the problem?

Indeed ... there are rashers, sausages and salmon vacuum-packs for sale at
the Shannon and Dublin duty-free shops, for instance.  I've brought back
Irish bacon to the States with no problems.

I think that US Customs has a specific problem with haggis, though, from
what I've heard.

     ,
     Eamon
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From: ruairi@sy.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp (Ruairi.H)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Soccer Table
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:11:27 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Fujitsu SSL Ltd. in ShinYokohama.


 

 updated table as follows............

                           P   W   D   L   Pts.
       Ireland             3   2   1   0   5
       Northern Ireland    3   1   2   0   4
       Spain               3   1   2   0   4
       Lithuania           4   1   2   1   4
       Denmark             3   0   3   0   3
       Albania             4   1   0   3   2
       Latvia              4   0   2   2   2
       

.................Looks fairly close to me!!!!!!!!!
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From: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse)
Subject: Pubs in N'wawlins
Reply-To: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse)
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:24:48 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: What Inquisition????
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 03:27:15 EDT

This is for the so-called Wiccans out there:

The Inquisition was widely used by Pope Gregory IX (1227-1241) and first
appeared in the mid-twelfth century. There is no WAY the Inquisition
had anything to do with the conversion of Ireland!

Second, the Inquisition could not exist in Ireland before 1171 because
as we all know that was the year the Irish bishops acknowledged the
authority of the Roman See and the Inquisition was a Papal court, to
be used by special Papal legates. So a Papal court had no chance of
existing in Ireland before this time.

Finally, Ireland was non-conformist in its religious legal
pracitice until the 1530's when Henry VIII declared the official
Church of Ireland to be a Protestant Establishment. The Inquisition
had no authority in Ireland after that, and that was when the I was
in full swing anyway (esp. in Spain). Inquisitions existed only
where the Church had the backing of a powerful state and the clergy
willing to support it; Ireland, with its decentralized monastic/
diocesan system, and its system of weak septs and petty kingdoms,
had no powerful state for this, as distinct from France or Spain.

Last, all this can be attributed to Kagan, Ozment, Turner, "The
Western Heritage", New York, 1983.

So PLEASE, no more "What about the Inquisition?"

Chris Dunlea
crdunlea@rodan.syr.edu
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scots Gaels
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:22:10 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited

In article <Bvqpwo.sB@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:
>
>  The white settlers are the people from England who are of a different
>  culture, yet have enough money (there is a big difference in economic
>  scales between Scotland and England) to buy summer homes and retirement
>  homes at prices which the local Scots could not afford.  As a result
>  local culture and population become displaced and angry. 

I have to tell you that there are more Scottish than English white
settlers in this particular part of the Highlands and that the capacity to
make local people feel angry is about even.  There are real people living
their lives as best they can with the same kind of concerns about their
childrens education and economic well-being that you find anywhere, any
time. Blanket statements like the above don't help any of them. 

You've also got to realise that many of the incomers have connections,
that their ancestors were forced away be economic circumstances and I
don't believe that anyone can deny them the right to return.

For the first few years here I'd have sworn that gaelic was pretty well
dead as an everyday language.  Nowadays I hear it regularly as part of the
everyday language of the older farmers, they don't hide it when they get
to know you. I don't recall off-hand what the official statistics are for
gaelic speaking here, but I do recall that I don't believe them for an
instant.  A lot of people who speak gaelic must have either been hiding or
misleading when the last survey was done:-)

The children, wherever their parents came from, get a good ration of
gaelic culture in all kinds of activities.  Where its missing is in the
middle and I can't help but think that its at least partly a generation
thing.  My mother certainly threw everything away and we've been through
a long period of disposable society.  Someone was telling me that his
older Brother and Sister have the gaelic but he and his age group don't,
that it actually died out in three (?) years between him and his brother. 
I guess he's in his late thirties (as he reads this group he could put me
right, but like a typical stubborn Ileach he won't write in it:-))


Alan

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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: UlickDave-ball
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:36:10 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.


All right..Enough of this banter.
Ulick has written to me via e-mail inicating he doesn't wish to discuss
this subject any further. I've agreed to do likewise.

Ulick-ball? Dave-ball?  

I *like* it!!   :-)

Pity though - we seem to have lost the thread relating to Orange Parades in
the Republic.

Dave
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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:09:04 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:

>I thought Ireland was converted into the Celtic church, not the Roman
>Catholic one.  It only became Catholic afterwards when travel between Rome
>and Ireland became much easier, and emissaries arrived from Rome...?

When Ireland 'became' christian, there was no difference. (St Pat was
a Roman wasnt he?). What happened sometime later (like one thousand
years) was that the protestant churches hived off, in Germany
(Luther), Scotland (Calvin), and England (Henry VIII plundering the
monasteries). In Ireland, (a colony of England at the time), remained 'with
the holy see', ie did not follow England in changing its religious
practises. 

In various wars, the Scots (and some English) protestants were settled
in parts of Ulster, (the natives being driven away), the problems
arising from these settlements have yet to be resolved.
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Wanted: Demonstration ideas
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:31:35 GMT
	<CC.92Oct16120005@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Oct16.135145.12821@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Oct16.135145.12821@infodev.cam.ac.uk> ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:

   39% could easily elect them in a "two big parties and lots of splinter
   groups" situation, let alone a three-party situation, even with STV or
   anything else.

No, this is wrong.  Proportional representation is just what it says, and
would give the Labour party roughly 39% of the MPs.  Thus, they'd have to
govern in a coalition.  The Tories would also get maybe twice the proportion
of Scottish MPs that the currently get, making it feasible to possibly have a
Tory/Lib Dem coalition if they were popular enough.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Scottish Newsgroup
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:07:16 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.221811.25815@philmtl.philips.ca>, ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes...
>In referenced article, morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>>McSweens, Bruntsfield Place, Edinburgh do mail order. I don't know if
>>they send abroad, but if anyone does - they will.
> 
>We go through this year after year.  You do it just to annoy me, don't you?
> 
>(:-)
> 
>I'd _die_ for a McSween's Haggis, I use to live just up the street from
>McSween's in Bruntsfield Gdns.
> 
>Unfortunately neither the US nor Canadian Customs allow _any_ meat products
>to be imported privately.  Foot 'n mouth, Mad English Disease, things like
>that you know.

McSween's do a vegetarian haggis. It's OK, I've had one. Certainly worth
a try, particularly if you can't get the carnivore version.

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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scots Gaels
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:07:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
>Why should a young couple on Raasay, forced to live in a caravan
>thoughout the wild hebridean winter, because the price of local houses
>is now beyond their reach, care whether those houses are now
>occupied by people hailing from Surrey( England) or Morningside(Scotland)?

While I sympathise with such people, it should not be thought
that this problem is unique to the Celtic parts of Britain. The
problem of house prices in scenic rural areas being pushed up
beyond the reach of local people occurs throughout Britain.
Perhaps the only reason it is no longer remarked upon when it
concerns my home part of the country (south-east England) is
that local people were forced out of their villages so long ago
that it is now an accepted fact that the countryside is a
playground for the rich.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ulick@schumann.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Mr. Walker's comments about welfare.
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.004219.2893@morrow.stanford.edu> silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
> halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>starving in India.", said to a man who was 'bragging' about the 
>meatloaf dinner his wife had planned for him that evening.
>

Come on, Holly!  In some parts of the world there is so much starvation that
people would kill for a meatloaf (so that takes care of at least 2 people :-)


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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Glib remark, probably worth a miss (Was :it's not our fault)
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:36:50 GMT
	<1992Oct14.133752.949@infotec.ch> <Bw639F.7sB@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <Bw639F.7sB@dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

   In article <1992Oct14.133752.949@infotec.ch> andy@infotec.ch (Andrew Warinner) writes:
   >
   >Look on the bright side.  If there wasn't as much violence
   >in the U.S., we wouldn't produce those police TV shows and
   >films that you Europeans love so much.  How many cars chases
   >and shoot-outs have you seen on "Inspector Morse"? :-)
   >

   This is probably because Inspector Morse's Jag is rumoured to
   be so knackered that they just roll it downhill when it has
   to "drive" into the shot.

Ah, so that's how Jaguar achieve that legendary quietness...
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	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Nationalism - or Why do people have flags in their gardens?
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:07:38 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:

>   spain@galvia.enet.dec.com writes:
>   >98.4% of our electorate chose not to vote for Sinn Fein in the last
>   >general election.  That does not make us English or anti Irish.

>   Hardly an equal choice was it? 

>   Are you not aware that Sinn Fein are, and have been censored from TV
>   and radio in the Irish Republic for many years, including election
>   times?

>And if the Irish electorate don't like that, they're free to vote to have
>the ban removed...
>--
>	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

Come on Chris! Intelligent debate is aided by thinking, not by
rattling off smug complacent cliches.

What effect do you think the censorship of Sinn Fein has?

What choice do the Irish electorate have? How are they influenced in
their choice?
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scots Gaels
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:04:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Oct7.160937.20955
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <Bvr67o.GwH@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes...
> 
>It's not true that immigrants from Scotland are neccesarily any
>more caring of the local culture than those from elsewhere. Just like
>the English ones, they often think they know it all and soon set about
>letting the locals know just what they've been doing wrong for all these
>years. And they'll not be Gaelic speakers. The school on Raasay stopped
>teaching in Gaelic because of the number of non-speakers who are now
>attending. White settlers expect their children to be taught in
>English.
> 


Whilst I agree with most of your article, I disagree with this

On 21-Aug, BBC Breakfast time noted that the number of pupils learning
through the medium of Gaelic at Portree outnumbered those learning
through the medium of English for the first time. Many of the parents
interviewed for that piece were _English_ and were stressing how important
it is for their child to learn the language, even if they don't speak
it themselves.

In many areas, it is the so called white settlers' children who are
making Gaelic playgroups viable. This may have something to do with
the fact that incomers perceive the language as having more of a future,
than the people who grew up with it and saw it decay for many years.

Craig

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From: ulick@mozart.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Celtic Holidays
Keywords: Celtic, holidays
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:08:49 GMT

In article <Bw0L3B.DFG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>
>What _is_ a "Whitsun" and what the heck is a "Bank" holiday?

Old name for Pentecost Sunday, 10 days after Ascension Thursday, which is 
40 days after Easter.  It is a Christian festival that celebrates the coming
of the Holy Spirit to the Apostles, who were holed up after Jesus` Himmelfahrt.

A bank-holiday is just that.  Originally the banks picked holidays for their
employees that were adopted by everyone else, but are still known as bank
holidays.  A bank holiday isn't necessarily a public holiday.  The term is 
used in the UK as well.


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From: quyen@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Please ignore this message.
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:55:15 GMT
Organization: NIST

Posting test, please ignore.