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From: davisonj@bnr.ca (John Davison)
Subject: Re: MOSHING TO INDUSTRIAL
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:55:08 GMT

>John (cairnsj@ucsu.colorado.edu) writes;
>>I thi[nk] that if you have some IDEA about what industrial music stands
>>for you might consider feeling the tone and respect what a band is 
>>saying[,] not jump around and slam into each other in some foolish,
>>animal, cult-dance.

        I thought that the essence of the "industrial" schtick was to hate the
world and act like an asshole because you fail to get attention any other way.


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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Ogre's movies.....
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:38:25 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dark Park

	I knew that Ogre was living in Burbank (or some other LA
suburb), but recently I heard that he was there because he was
pursuing his film interests.

	Is this true? Has he done anything yet? What
specifically is he pursuing? Director? Producer? Gaffer? 

	If this is true, I'm sure you won't see his work on your
local silver screen - more likely on a greasy video tape in a
brown paper bag.

	Then again, maybe he's making the next great anti-drug
movie - or just commercials for the Ministry of Health (I can
see it now: Ogre appears on the screen, "Don't do drugs or
you'll end up like me." He thrusts his hand into his stomach and
pulls out some intestines.)


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From: humphrie@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. James Humphries; ACS (GUEST))
Subject: Skinny Puppy lyrics 
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:41:04 GMT

Since there is not yet a lyrics file for Skinny Puppy's LAST RIGHTS I thought
I would see if anyone had picked out some of the harder to understand phrases.

On the third track towards the end Ogre says something very distorted...

"One ...  ... ....back, one ... wish is real"

does anyone know what is sentence is ?





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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: BiGod 20   <----from HERX
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:52:15 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

mah@eng.ufl.edu (MICHAEL HEERKENS) writes:

> BiGod 20 only has 2 singles out,

In the US.  There are more in Europe.

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From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty)
Subject: Re: new 808 State
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:13:09 GMT

Wow, that was fun. The 90's equivalent of putting tacks on someone's chair.

So I don't know anything about it. YOU ALL are the vinyl junkies, not
me. I just pray for US releases of things and pick them up if I have
any money left over from buying Coleman Hawkins records.

It's called something like Time Bomb or Time Out or On Top. Saw it in
the mini-review section of i-D magazine. Now don't tell me you don't
read i-D. It's one of the few things maintaining my loose grip on
sanity in this astonishingly clueless excuse for a city. :)
From: mwise@pub2.bu.edu (Matthew Wise)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Sleep Chamber
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:20:19 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: mwise@pub2.bu.edu

So I just saw Sleep Chamber for the second and probably last time.

I gave them a chance, but I'm left wondering how this highly over-rated
band manages to persist on the Boston scene. Any ideas?

Also, anybody out there know of Boston area industrial bands that
are worth seeing?

Be well,
Matt





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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Nitzer ebb/ Severed Heads albums for sale
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:38:28 GMT

I have for sale:

NE Showtime $8US
Severed heads Bulkhead (ltd best of compilation) 
Sevheads Greater Reward 12" single

Make me an offer!!!!!
Paul

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From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Ministry _Psalm_69_ quick review
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:05:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.162407.13574@athena.cs.uga.edu> houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.154659.1257@skynet.uucp> ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:
>>I think you people are too selfish. All you ever care about is what YOU
>>want to hear and what YOU like.
>>
>>Give a band a chance to explore other ways of doing things. There can only
>>be improvement with change.
>>
>
>This is funny...so we can't decide whether we like a record anymore? We just
>have to assume it's good even if it's crap. We have to like it no matter
>what? By what other standards are we to determine if we like an album or
>not, than by if we like it or not? You're really silly....
>
>Joshua Houk
>houk@athena.cs.uga.edu
>
>-- 
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>If you're painfully honest you can stand in her light, man.
>     - Lungfish

NO..............I think your the silly one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

HaoN
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From: milt@esd.sgi.com (Milton Tinkoff)
Subject: Re: Lolly2 ??
Reply-To: milt@sgi.com (Milt Tinkoff)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:27:22

In article <92205.130739JC4RPSRA@MIAMIU.BITNET>, <JC4RPSRA@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

john> Next week is Lolly2 in this area and I have some ?? for y'all:

john>  1. does Ministry just push the new stuff, or should I stay awake
john>     for their set?

I saw the first show in Mt. View and they played mostly old stuff
(well, not the really old stuff :-).  As far as I can remember:

N.W.O
The Missing
Diety
Just One Fix
Thieves
So What
Psalm 69
Supernaut
Stigmata

During each band's first couple of songs they let a bunch of
photographers and cameramen go to the front of the stage to film/take
pictures.  One of them got too close to Al with a video camera and he
kicked the guy in the camera/face (I was in the tenth row, so I don't
know if you could see this from far away).  After the song Al went
over to the guy and apologized and shook his hand.  How puzzling...

john>  2. can Ice Cube put on a good show, or is his set a good time for
john>     a snack?

I thought he was pretty boring.  He kept stopping to make the crowd
chant "Fuck yeah!" or something.  I've never been to a rap show before
so I have no idea if that's what's supposed to happen.

john>  3. most importantly, has / will Temple of the Dog and / or Porno
john>     for Pyros play(ed) second stage?  I thought I heard PFP did on
john>     MTV on the west coast shows.  Any reviews if someone saw them?

Sorry, I didn't even realize there *was* a second stage until I was 
leaving.

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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: Violence & the Sacred (was TORONTO INDUSTRIAL)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:45:53 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <1992Jul15.182955.19122@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
>
>> There was one incarnation of the band before I joined
>>and it was similar....ie there was drums, singing, lyrics, songs that were
>>rehearsed although far from pop or commercial.  
>
>I assume this is the band that put out the cassette with the animal
>rights songs.

Yes. It was called CATHEXIS.  I mixed the cassette but wasn't involved
in any of the recording.  Since I simply replaced the drummer, we ended
up playing all the songs from the cassette (among other newer ones).

>>Those of us (most of us) believed that great ideas could be merged
>>with compositional ability and 'musicianship' without selling out.  It got to
>>the point where anything that was musical (even the idea of rehearsing itself)
>>or compositionally coherent was perceived as 'selling out'.
>
>I don't think this is a fair characterization of the output of the later
>VATS at all. Unless you have a very restrictive definition of "musicianship"
>and "musical", of course. Good improvisation is musical, and musicianship
>is involved. 

Remember, there were two versions of VioSac after I left....1 was very
improvised and chaos based and the other was more controlled and
rehearsed.  There were common members and members that were in only
one version.  Both versions of the band existed at the same time.

Taking the chaos axiom in mind, the improvising band did do some 
really neat stuff. It's just that this approach didn't fit the band
I was in ALL THE TIME.  Yes we did noise and chaos sometimes but it
wasn't compounded with a chaotic approach to when to apply the chaos..
if you know what I mean.

ferenc



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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: SST bites again (was Let's help out negitvland!)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:37:45 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

ben@NeoSoft.com (Ben Ettinger) writes:

> The thing that intrigued me about the package of a Big 10-8 Place was
> the fact that it had a big pack of Marijuana inside it. Is this the way
> Negativland packaged it and that's why I've never seen it here or did
> some schlep throw it in for no good reason..? 

Not pot, just plain old grass.  Hope you didn't try to SMOKE it, Ben!

Yes, this is how Negativland packaged it; as I'm sure you noticed it also
included a couple of big maps, a "NO OTHER POSSIBILITY" bumpersticker, and
other "goodies".  All copies, both LP and CD, came with the goodies.  All
copies (both LP and CD) of the first album have handmade covers as well. 

By the way -- I've seen several local stores with seriously jacked prices
on the Negativland reissue CDs.  Don't pay more than $12 or $13 -- that's
what you can get them for from Negativmailorderland, and the band gets a
bigger cut that way too.

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From: abancrof@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (audrey frances bancroft)
Subject: Re: Screw?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:48:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.131658.8809@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Does anybody have any info on a band called Screw?  I heard a song of theirs
>("Burn In Water/Drown In Flame") while passing through Toledoe (sorry-I'm
>from Huntington, Indiana) a couple weeks back.  Tres cool...Metallica meets
>Ministry meets Front 242 meets...God knows whomever else...
>	So...albums?  Singles?  Where can I get them???  HEEEELP!
>Ambassador Spock

The band is Skrew, and _Burning in Water, Drowning in Flame_ is the
name of the album.

We got it into IU's radio station over a month ago and it's still not
out to be played!!! 

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From: westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Intermix - what else would i like?
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:43:20 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Jul22.221955.13433@cs.brown.edu> map@cs.brown.edu (Mike Perkowitz) writes:
>I really like the Intermix (not even going to try the funky caps - i'll leave
>that to fC9) album (there is only one, right?). but i also do not particularly
>like FLA's _gashed senses and crossfire_ (the only one of theirs i owned briefly).
>so what else in that set of FLA-related projects would i like?
>(Delerium? sounds interesting from what i hear...)

	Intermix is a _great_ album. Bill & Rhys exert a great deal of
effort exploring a truly _different_ venue (in light of FLA and
Delirium). In response to your question, if you are attracted to the
beat-quality of Intermix, you might check out Orb. If you enjoy the
hypnotic nature of the Imix tunes, Delirium is the next thing to
explore (IMHO ;). 
	Orb is a little easier to ingest all at once -- it has a
softer, steadier, danceable tone, whilst ;) Delirium is more
repetitive, dark and ambient. Note: the bulk of Delirium is
instrumental (as is Orb, if you don't count heavy sampling).

>thanks,
>
>mike
>

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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: reggae industrial
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:40:02 GMT

tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane) writes:

>so far as i know, all of those records suggested were produced by adrian 
>sherwood, and hence have that distinctive on-u sound. 

Actually, Sherwood only produced the track "More and Faster" on _UAIOE_ by
KMFDM, I believe.  The rest they did on their own.  If this is wrong, I'm
sure someone will correct me. =-)
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From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Re: Luc Van Acker
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:35:40 GMT

diane@mik.uky.edu (diane lynn benham) writes:

>Can anybody tell me what group he was/is in other than RevCo?

I assume you know he had at least one solo-album.  I picked it up in a
used bin for $3 for the sole reason that I knew he was involved with
RevCo.  I've only listened to it twice (not to comment on the quality,
but not to comment on the quality).
 
...e
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From: tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane)
Subject: Re: reggae industrial
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:39:48 GMT

so far as i know, all of those records suggested were produced by adrian 
sherwood, and hence have that distinctive on-u sound. also on the on-u  
label is african head charge which i'd highly recommend ('drastic season'
is probably their most 'industrial' sounding release). i forget the mark
stewart releases you had recommended to you. the one's i'd recommend by
him are 'learning to cope with cowardice' (the most reggae sounding) and
'as the veneer of democracy begins to fade'. though not exactly reggae, and
though not exactly on the on-u label, (imho) the best on-u record to date
is keith leblanc's 'major malfunction'.
From: carruthers@brandonu.ca (Kai'ckul)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry N.W.O. question...
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:41:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <Bs32Lp.LzF@andy.bgsu.edu>, fuller@andy.bgsu.edu (A.J. Fuller) writes:
> 
> Here's a question for the "where did this sample come from" experts out
> there...
> 
> I have been listening to a promo CD single for _N.W.O._ from the new
> Ministry album, and I could swear that in among the wall of guitars
> and other noise, is a processed (read: distorted) sample of Peter
> Gabriel yelling "exposure" taken from his 1978 solo album.
> 
> Anybody else hear something like this, or is it really a sample of
> Al [tm] screaming "hoser"?
> 
> fuller@enigma.bgsu.edu

Hmm.  I really don't hear EITHER.  Unless it's a different mix, I don't know
if it's there.  At what point in the song do you hear it?

Sean
carruthers@tkm.BrandonU.ca
From: rengen@aludra.usc.edu (Robert Engen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry _Psalm_69_ quick review
Date: 23 Jul 1992 13:24:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul23.033129.14596@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Nekic) writes:
	
	In a previous article, ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) says:
	
	>I think you people are too selfish. All you ever care about is what 
	>YOU want to hear and what YOU like.
	>
	
	
	Gee, yeah...how selfish of me to actually want to like an album I just
	bought.   A CD I don't like?  ahh, that's OK, I'm glad I spent the 
	money because atleast the band got to explore and experiment with new 
	ideas. 	geez...or course I'm selfish.  That's why I buy CDs...I want 
	to own 	something I like...heaven forbid, I know, but...


Then DONT buy the fuckin CD asshole.  Musicians shouldn't cater to you because
your stupid enough to buy a CD you don't like.

robert.
From: williams8572@iscsvax.uni.edu (fEAR AND lOATHING IN cEDAR fALLS)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: SP set list please
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:42:33 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello,
   I was wondering if someone would do me the favor of reposting the Slinny
Puppy set list, or send it to me.  The show at the Metro last night was great
by the way, except for the fact that they made us stand around for quite some
time and let my doses wear off a bit.  Still, I thought they were much better
here than when they played over at the VIC.  The touring has done some good. 
Why the virtual ignoring of Too Dark Park?  More songs from that would be a 
bonus. Thanks for the list.
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From: Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: SST bites again (was Let's help out negitvland!)
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:49:36 GMT
 <1992Jul20.212353.21152@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> 
 <1992Jul20.234542.6927@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  <0bdm++d@lynx.unm.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <0bdm++d@lynx.unm.edu>
lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

> As far as I know, Seeland will still send you the booklet and the sticker
> for $2.
> 

I bought _EFN_ about three months ago and sent for the booklet. 
Seeland returned my money and said they weren't distributing the
booklet because SST owned it.  They also said (in a handwritten,
photocopied form letter) that Negativmailorderland may be able to
provide me with a xeroxed copy of the book.  It slipped my mind and I
didn't try to get one, though, so I don't know if N'm-oland is
distributing it or not...

By the way, anyone have a N'land - SST lawsuit update?  I haven't heard
anything since "SST is threatening to sue N'land for the damages and
their next album because Mark Hosler is a lying coporate drone
motherfucker."  

 - nathan
   who never liked SST and never really knew why until recently
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From: lancer@wpi.WPI.EDU (Stephen Lewis Foskett)
Subject: Re: Samples, Semantics, Death of "Industrial" "Music"
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:10:29 GMT

>>>>> "bp271" == Matthew N. Sharp <bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> writes:
> [masturbating about someone's oh-too-huge knowledge of samples deleted]
> [complete ignorance of what real (tm) "industrial music" is deleted]
> [rudely phrased stuff-we-already-knew about the NIN generation deleted]

You know, I really like red M&Ms...

.s.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 10:10:39 CDT
From: <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: The real al jourgenson.

  Okay, the title should have question marks after it.

  There was a big article ( multiple page, with pix ) in the last sunday
Chicago Tribune.  Al was trying to paint himself as sort of an ordinary-
everyday kinda guy.  So, they had a picture of his wife and daughter, a real
nice homey family scene.  Al repeated the story, the first album was just
trying to get popular.

Interesting revelations:

1) He listens to country at home!!!  Even the nashville network!!  *BARF*

2) He says he must stay in music, because he is unsuited for any other work.  I
   wonder why??  Can you say "burned out?"

3) He's Kirk, Paul's Spock.

  There was more, but I don't have the article handy.  If there is a great
call for it, and crisp green money is sent in my direction, I may post the
article.

  --DAVE!!!
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From: locklin@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Scott Locklin)
Subject: Noise Fest in Pittsburgh...
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:53:51 GMT


BORED OF THE ORDINARY?
 come and experience
  NOISE FEST '92

2 rooms- 8 groups in 4 hours
Macronymphia             Filet of Feedback
Blemish                  Grae.Com
Telecorps                Max Field
Minozin-V                Powder French

Friday July 24 @ the Oakland Beehive
10pm-2am  $5 -all ages

Found this today...
see ya there...

"wipe thine ass with what is written
and grin like a ninny at what is spoken"-riders
of the purple wage
From: SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET (Steve W Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: The real al jourgenson.
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:03:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: HARPERVM.92205.170325SHILL
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067

In article <92204.101039U55870@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
 (regarding a Chicago Tribune article on Uncle Al Jourgenson)
>Interesting revelations:
>
>1) He listens to country at home!!!  Even the nashville network!!  *BARF*
>

He's been DJ'ing a country/western night at Crash Palace (I think!)
for at LEAST a year and a half now, every Wednesday to my knowledge.
I've never gone.  Obviously he ain't there right now though.  I heard
he was going to move to Texas too...