From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:15:11 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1993Jan7.225814.20952@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:

>Remember, in meeting people,
>there is a certain selection process that takes place--if most of the
>people you know aren't involved in anything athletic, then most of the
>people they introduce you to will probably not be athletic either.  

Hm.  I have a friend who is from English and a Commanche Indian.  I can't 
remember her ever introducing me to another Commanche Englander.  Having
one or more friends who belong to an unusual group does not guarantee
that they have lots of friends belonging to that group.

Generally, though, I meet very few people through being formally
introduced to them.  More often, I meet people because I go somehwhere
with friends where other people happen to be.


>] No, those examples only show that "sources... do exist", not
>] that they "are not especially difficult to find."
> 
>Oh; OK.  Of the following things that I've mentioned, which do you find
>especially difficult:  going to BBS-sponsored parties; getting a Mensa
>calendar and attending a few meetings; attending SF cons; talking to a
>few people at cons or whatever until you find your local equivalent to
>the Mad Scientists club or whatever happens to appeal to you; attending
>informal talks and lectures at your local universities; going to
>museums, science-oriented specialty shops, etc., and starting
>conversations with the people there.  If any of the other suggestions
>I've made sound incredibly difficult or impossible, feel free to bring
>them up too and we'll see if we can come up with an easier method of
>implementing them.

I guess I phrased that badly.  I shouldn't have said the *sources*
are hard to find, but that the people are hard to find.  Having
tried all the places on your list, I've found very few classical
"nerd" types in any of them.  Most of the people seem to be into
a "balanced" lifestyle, which develops their body as well as their
mind, and want a mate who is also.  So, okay, you've indentified
the mines.  But that doesn't mean you've found high-yield ore.


>] And your claim that serious amateur athletes, who are much more
>] common, are difficult to find, shows that you have a double standard
>] here when it comes to defining "difficult."
> 
>Well, I suppose I might if I'd been saying that they were difficult to
>find--except I've been saying that they're not hard to find and have
>even listed ways to locate them without too much effort in previous
>messages.

Yet you claim you've been "unable" to do so.  That implies either
that it's hard, or that you're inept.  Since you did list several
viable ways of meeting them, you don't seem to be inept.


>Well, then, it sounds like you might be more successful meeting people
>somewhere besides your office.  (Oh, that's "Art Gore"; he's primarilly
>a nature photographer and does a lot of very nice stuff.)

You missed my point.  I don't have to leave me office to find
exercise partners -- volunteers show up here.  That's how easy it is.

(Does Gore still have time to do photography know that he's Vice 
President?)
 
 
>]  You've
>] been pretty vehement in denying that non-athletes might have any
>] other qualities that make up for their lack of exercise.
> 
>Gosh; I'm going to have to see these articles sometime.  Seems to me
>that all I said (quite a while ago) was that exercise doesn't reduce
>one's mental powers.

Well, if exercise increases your physical powers and doesn't
decrease your mental powers (or take time away from developing
them further), it sounds let you've gotten something for nothing.  
If athletes are better physically, and just as good mentally, as 
"nerds," it certainly sounds like they're better over all.  You 
deny that people who elect other activities over exercise might 
develop other qualities that athletes don't, but you also deny
saying that non-athletes have no qualities that make up for their
lack of exercise.

I'm confused.
 

>Also true--in fact, most women I know rather like dragons and wouldn't
>take kindly to someone who was in the habit of slaying them.

Whew!  And to think, I was about to stop carrying that Gila
Monster around on my shoulder!  Thanks for clearing that up.


>It can be more important to enjoy the journey than to get where you
>intended.  Why shouldn't I enjoy "fishing" for its own sake?  You ought
>to try it some time--it's fun.  

Kid, I've been not catching fish since before you were born.
You should meet my father -- one of the all-time experts at it.


>(And, the worst I have to risk is that I'll get caught--and I'd 
>enjoy that too.)

So much for the "I enjoy being single more" line.  Guess those
grapes aren't so sour after all.

 
>] Only good reason you've come up with yet.  In fact, I don't think
>] they should let you kids out of the barrel until your thirtieth
>] birthday.
 
>Well, I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I found it much
>easier to create and establish a de-facto global standard for CATV
>design, 

Eh, gads!  You're the guy responsible for my cable company?

I take it back.  They shouldn't keep you kids in barrels --
one of you might escape!  





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