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From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:33:58 GMT
Organization: New York University

chan@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

>So much have been compared between CCP and KMT.  There is one thing 
>in common for both sides.  That is the disgusting and self defeating way 
>they deal with the Japanese.  Both regimes demand no apology from Japan for
>her war crimes.   And now the CCP even let the no apology Japanese monarch
>lay his feet on Chinese soil.  Does any body know WHY the Chinese regimes never
>demand any apology from Japan on the government level?  Does anybody know
>what reasons given by the two Chinese regimes?  Do all the 10
>billion Chinese agree with these two Chinese regimes policy to have a no
>apology Japanese monarch to set his feet on Chinese soil?  Do they all really
>want to kiss his feet?  Well, if they do, those who could not make their way 
>to kiss the dead one, here comes the live one.

>To make myself clear, I dont welcome a no apology Japanese monarh to visit  
>China.  I dont think Mr. Akihito would do any good for him or Japan should
>he just make a trip to China as if he were a Japanese Monbusho minister.
>  
>--------------------------------
>I represent myself only.
>Chan@unsw.edu.au

The fact that China (I mean both the CCP and KMT gvnmts) failed to 
receive any Japanese apology and financial compensation has been due to
the splitting between the Strait. Japan took advantage of the situation
and viewed a diplomatic relationship (with either party) as such a big
edge that it even well offset their war crimes. The Chinese has learned this
lesson the hard way. Hopefully, individual claims for war losses will still
continue and be successful.

- Li, Qiang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:39:55 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

"The world has changed..."
In the past 200 years, military power was very important. You use the power
to invade, to control, to rob, to distroy, to capture the market, to build
your business everywhere, to do everything you want, of cause you also need to 
build up your economy. China lost almost every chance of these, and did not
have a little taste of the power. Are those things bad? Depends on who you are.
Look at today's Japan and Germany.
Today, you do not need the old way. The important thing is the economical
power. You can use the power to enter a country, to control, to buy, to distory,
to capture the market, to build up your business everywhere, to do everything
you want, and it is clear now that the important thing is to build up your
economy. See any difference between now and then?
What is the new meaning of independence? Do you see any chance now for China
to get those opportunities, to get a little taste of the power, to march Chinese
army to the world, to do everything those superpowers can do, to get
independent, to win the new world war in the world market?
WHERE IS CHINESE ARMY NOW?
WHO CARES?
WHERE IS TALK.BUSINESS.CHINA?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mai@ms.uky.edu (Mai Zhou)
Subject: Question about bringing PC to China
Keywords: PC, China
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:40:54 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I have been told that PC can not be brought into
China as a "big item". Unless (may be) you provide
some documents t show that it is essential in your
research (if you are going back permanently) or
that you are donate it to some organization.
Anyway, it is not as simple as just another "big item".

On the other hand, you can order from Great wall computer
in LA (?), pay here and get the machine in China.
Their price is unreasonably high (at least was)
and I had a bad experience. (I payed for the hard drive,
but they just claim the hard drive is out of stock,
and let you wait for almost a year. At the same time
no money back is possible). SO, you are paying 1989 price
of cash now but the product will only deliver a year later.

Consider the fast droping PC price......that is toooo much.

As for the 50 Hz vs 60 Hz, I do not think this is a problem.
For the PC all work on DC. (I mean the components)
If you still in doubt, try a notebook. And it has the 
benifit of "if they don't allow me to bring as a big item,
I can easily bring it back".
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <BvJ2tB.Mw6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct3.131139.11561@ms.uky.edu> 
    <BvLs1p.JCM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:42:00 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>Blind patriotism will cause you loss sense of justice. Be objective.

Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.
From: yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Improve your English
Date: 6 Oct 1992 13:55:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tssmed.hsc.usc.edu

Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
English is the language of communication. 

By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:11:14 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:Question about bring PC to China (220vs110,50Hvs60H)

> From: ma@cc.usu.edu
> Subject: Question about bringing PC to China (220vs110, 50Hvs60H)
> Date: 1 Oct 92 11:47:50 MDT

>                                                    I am interested in
> knowing how to deal with the voltage/frequency problem. The machines
> (PC with a VGA monitor, a printer) can only take 110V/60Hz AC power source.
> One possible way I can think of is to buy a convertor (transformer) which
> converts both voltage and frequency. I looked many stores in town. The only
> thing I can find is the one for iron and hairdryer, which converts voltage
> only.
> Ma

       That one is OK for gerenal purposes. The only concern is the
       power the transformer can work with. The power consumption
       by PC (XT,286,386,486,...) may vary a lot. The freq. is
       out of question. It doesn't affect PC's performance as long
       as there is enough power supply and proper working voltage
       range.In some sense that's why it's hard to find 220v/50hz
       to 110v/60hz transformer. Don't waste your time looking for
       that nonexiting one.

       The converter is not a big deal. You can wind up one by
       yourself.

       X Xu
From: zou@math.ksu.edu (Qisu Zou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Received Any E-mail Replies from China?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:42:16 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: newton.math.ksu.edu

wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:

>Poor Chinese postmasters must have been filled with E-mails rushing in
>from US. :-)

>Problem is, has anyone received any reply?

>How do we know if they recieved at all? :-(

>----------------------------------
>Gang Wang

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>Tel:      302-573-5452
>Internet: wang@apache.dtcc.edu

Yes, someone in Beijing received my E-mails and I have recieved his reply.
But he needs to pay for the cost of the e-mails (in and out). Hence I do not
use it often. I do not know if the policy has changed. 
Qisu Zou
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 07:55:14 GMT

In article <BvI3G9.As0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:
>
>>Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
>>stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for good
>>expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
>>in the world and crush all the opponents!
>>
>>21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
>>
>>Let's all work for that goal!
>>
>
>I am not meant to discourage you. People in the world don't believe so.
>The majority American believe Japan will be the best in the next century. 
>While China will have to struggle against its own problems. The biggest
>problem for China is communism. If China insists on communism, it will
>become the enemy of world, therefore people in the world will try to
>block the development of China.

Will China continue to be a communism country is only Chinese's
bussiness.   As soon as the communist party does not involve directly
supporting other communist party in other countries, it should not be
treated as the enemy of world.  I do not think a country controlled by a
communist party must be very dangerous to other countries.  At least, Germany
and Japan were not communism countries when they started the WW I and
WW II.  People should not assume other people to be their enemy.

>My prediction to China in next 50 years is that China will be in chaos
>after Deng Xiaoping's death. The chaos was be caused by people's feeling
>on Tiananmen Massacre and isolation of the world. Two possible outcomes:
>one, communist party will be dead, China will join the world community;
>two, China will be in civil war in which thousands of thousands of people
>will die.
>
>China has its tradition of resisting changes of the world. The whole world
>has abandoned communism except China. China is too stuburn to become
>world leader. Besides, looking at how arrogant you guys are, no body
>in the world will like to see China strong. If you are against the world,
>you are in trouble, not even to mention development.

This is only your opinions.  I have totally different point of view from
yours.  As soon as the government can continue current economic reform.
I optimize the future of China. 

J Su
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:32:53 GMT
Organization: New York University


My understanding is that a significant amount of time is spent on cleaning
and cutting vegetables. It's very discouraging if you have to repeat this
process every day - you might decide to go hungry or just eat fang1bian2mian4
to survive. 

What I do now is I spend two hrs every Saturday to clean and cut all the
veges I need for the whole week and store them in the fridge with plastic
wraps. Is this how u guys handle this hassle? Or is it healthy enough?

Anyway, my experience has been very pleasant with this practice. Cooking
a dish with veges only takes a few minutes and I'm on a very orderly, regular
diet and I may gain couple of lbs. 

Bye for now.

- Li, Qiang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: China's Best Is Always the Elder and Past, Therefore No Hope.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:50:31 GMT


China's governing elite "strove to imitate and emulate
the best, but the best was always the past."

Does China have any hope? Looking at so many young people
scorn their motherland and their aging leaders who would do
anything to resist changes. We are certainly disappointed.

The best that the country can do is to kill their young,
supress their thought. One of the best example is the government's
treatment of Zhang Yimo. Tiananmen Massacre is another one.

Xiao Li
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Future of China........
Date: 3 Oct 1992 22:26:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <97448@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>Be aware of salted vegetables (canned) from Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, when
>
>Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, wrong. Water+Standing+Mouth is not earth+standing+mouth.
>You should say Fu-ling of Sichuan.
>
Thanks for lecture. That is the problem, CCP simplified the writing and used
a lot of wrong words.

>Please donate a few bucks to SOS China Education Fund. Thank you.
>
Sure, will do.

>SOS China Education Fund was a non-political org., to help poor students in
>rural China. Now the members including tens of Chinese students and scholars
>and a few American friends. Interested friends please join us.
>-- 
Isn't that people believe China is going to be the world 3rd economy power?
If so, why SOS China Education Fund?
China doensn't neet help. CCP regional officials are so rich (eat a lot
and expensive daily).
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:16:58 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <lceu0qINNl2m@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.185838.19699@chpc.utexas.edu>  (Da Kuang) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Sure they are free to talk, walk, and FIGHT.  Do you know why?  Jiang
>>>>can't control Li ZongRen or Bei CongXi, if he arrest them, GuangXi(Gui)
>>>>armies will up in revolt.  Li hated Jiang, that's why he would return
>>>>to Beijing in the 60s rather than go to Taiwan. 
>>>
>>>Then why Li was poisioned after he returned? (by CCP)
>>>
>>Whua, sounds like another version of << Mei2 Hua1 Dang3 >>.
>
>Check with Dr. Tang Teh-gang at Yale University, who is the author
>of Biography of Li Zong Ren. While Li was in the US, Tang was his most
>close friend/speaker/secretary. It has Chinese and English versions,
>in Li's biography. Yes, Li hated Chiang, so did he to others.
>
I'm not sure, but I think Prof Tang was in Columbia. But even Prof. Tang
can not be the authority for Mr. Li's been poisend. Prof. Tang even
didn't know  Li's going back to China. In the other hand, the poisen
story is not very much compared with the rumor of Mei Hua Dang. As the story
said, Mrs. Li's death is because she had recognized some high up CCP was
CIA? or something like that. And that is the reason of Mr. Li's death
too. If Prof. Tang's story is based on this, then obviously Li wasn't
kill by CCP but by KMT or CIA. How do you like this story? That is the
trouble of copying some rumors here, you might hit the wrong guy.

>Tang is also working with many others, including Americans on Chinese
>human rights. He was a Chinese supporter.
>
Tingli Pan
From: ydlin@deniz.ecn.uoknor.edu (Yi Don Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: an unsuccessful mail forgery
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:39:28 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu


soc.culture.china

hi 

how are you ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.china
From: xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Subject: Re: FWD:Senate sustains Bush veto on China MFN
Organization: UB
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:23:02 GMT

*         WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The Senate sustained Thursday President Bush's
*         Senate Democratic leader George Mitchell, as always, lashed out at
* Bush for vetoeing the bill.
               ^
Is this article written by Quayl ?  Where should I register a complaint
from the inconvenience the extra `e' caused ?
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From: you@cs.montana.edu (Xia You)
Subject: NINGBO univ cs in USA & UK
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:50:06 GMT

SUBJECT:NINGBO univ cs in USA and UK
SUMMARY:looking people from NINGBO univ cs
Distreibution:na
Expired: a week

Zhang,jingyuan  in Old domino  Univ cs dept
Gan,  honghua   in UK
Zhao, jieyi     in UK

If you see this information,please send me a e-mail
If any others from Ningbo univ or just form Ningbo are interesting
in exchanging infomation or contacting,send me a e-mail

Xia you
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From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Poor Man
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:16:32 EDT
Distribution: world,soc
Organization: Cornell University

Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes: 
>     In article <97474@bu.edu> (3 Oct 92) Xiaowen Li writes,
>>>
>>>    "pi3 fu1 wu2 zui4, huai2 bi4 qi2 zui4."
>>>    ( the horse man is not a criminal, his jade is)
>>
>> Wrong translation.  It should be "A horse of man", rather than "the horse
>> man".  The second lecture today, please donate to SOS China Education Fund.
> 
>     What are you guys doing?  Another round of "misinformation"?  :-)  Where
> is the "horse"?
> 
>     Pi3 Fu1 (man) should be used together with Pi3 Fu4 (woman), as said by
> Dr. Johnny.  Pi3 Fu1 Pi3 Fu4 means a man who is too poor that he can only
> afford to mate a woman.  So the correct translation is:
> 
>     It is not a crime to marry only _a_ woman,
>     unless you do have money (jade) to take more.


   You got it backwards.  A Pi3-Fu1 is a WOMAN (mate of man) and a Pi3-Fu4
is a man (mate of woman).  So what Lix said was that

   "The Mate of Man (i.e. the woman) committed no crime, but the Jade she
carries (instead of a Baby) is the crime".

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:11:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.010038.14928@usl.edu> kxd5425@usl.edu (Du Kaisheng) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.144430.27532@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>> In article <1992Oct2.183440.13380@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
>>(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>> >
>>> >Mao is very stupid (or crazy). Even in late 1960s, he still proudly told  
>>> >foreign diplomates that he could summon a 100 million soldier army to  
>>"defend"  
>>> >China. I believe it was militarily motive that push Mao to encourage fast  
>>> >growth of population. 
>>> >
>>
>>Don't forget that Mao awarded so called "mather heros" in late 1950s for having  
>>more than 7 children. Many Chinese were as stupid as you still are now. They  
>>simply did not question the authoritis. They simply followed their "great  
>>leeader".
>>
>>Carl
>
> I was told that in USSR Stelin also awarded so called "mother hero" after
>World War II.  Do you think it USSR should have the same population
>growth rate as China?  Or you just believe that people in Russia are
>
>so smart that they questioned the authorty. In my opinion since China
>had been experiencing dramastical chaos in th past several decades
>
>before 1949, when they began to have a relatively peaceful life it
>is imaginable that they want to have more children.  Also because
>of the low standard of living and insufficient medical facility,
>you got to have more kids to make sure that some of them would
>survive.
>
>
>Du
*******************
You are certainly not as "smart" as the guys who asked "who's fault".
You provided targets so they can attack back to you.
One of the CG's "faults" is to improve the standard of living and medical
facility which cause so many kids survived and therefore porpulation 
expansion. We (include "smart" guys) all accepted a series of
immunization injections (Yu4 Fang2 Zhen1) from 0 to 8 years old 
which was not widely provided before 1949, so we were survived. 
But I am not sure whether these injections have effects on the brain.
Apparently, some guys kept "smart" while others were "brain washed".

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: BASIC DECENCY
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:41:33 GMT

In article <9227920.8407@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) 
 
> Yes, I sometimes wonder why the USA supplied arms and supports to both
> KMT and CCP during the Civil War.

  Are you sure? To both KMT and CCP? I have never heard that the CCP got any
American equipment during the civil war. IMHO, the CCP soldiers did have some
American weapons, which were surrendered by the defeated KMT army.

--HAMLET
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:48:11 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Oct2.181733.18741@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu) writes:
>
>Why China was able to build atomic and hydrogen bombs in an almost
>close door environment but can not build her own economy? I think

 China has build up a whole system of industry, can feed it's 1.1 B
people, has one of the strongest military power, it export scale is
one of the largest and the fastest growing, So , where comes your 
question? No need to read on your post.

>the CCP finally realises military power cannot be built on poor
>economy unless the military power is used to invade/liberate
>her neighbors, such as Iraq invaded Kuwait and grabed almost everything
>to pay for the weapons. But history proves such use of power will
>always fail. Back to the question, today's China economy really
>failed in comparison with  the great a-bomb and h-bomb achievements.
>Look at our government how to operate its economy, it's not
>difficult to conclude the the CCP only knows how to kill its own
>people and never knows how to build economy. The a-bomb and h-bomb
>achievements were under the pressure of US and former Soviet Unions.
>Today, the CCP is under no pressure except how to keep its communist
>regime. All I can say, China is dying in the hands of the CCP. And
>who wants such indenpendce?
>
>Z. Liu