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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: c.s.a.advocacy in general
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:46:31 GMT

01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Has anybody else noticed a pattern developing here?  Besides me?
>Articles are generally of two or three different flavors:
>
>1:Such and such is dead, or should be dead [...]
>2:My imaginary machine is better than yours.  [...]
>3:The ever-popular Commodore sucks posting. [...]

Well, uh, of course :-)  Those are topics which the group was created for.

Gets pretty boring, doesn't it?  ;-)

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: IBM lamers at their worst - uiuc siggraph meeting
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:46:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.160220.16953@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
>>
>>Yep, that's right, Amiga is the only computer that can lay graphics
>>onto video tape.
>>
>
>Bullshit.  My 1981 Atari 800 can do the same thing.
>
>| Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |

	So can an Atari 2600, a Commodore 64/128, etc. The point is that
the Amiga is the only computer practically used for television. The Atari 800
is an outdated system. Probably not even sold in the past few years.

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lynx (was Re: More Jeff Young Rambings)
Distribution: world
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Date: 6 Sep 92 20:44:03 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <etxansk.715593993@garbod20> etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
>  Btw, I've heard that the founder of Atari, Nolan Bushnell, works
> for Commodore these days.
>

Nah.  He's the first rat to desert ANY sinking ship he's been involved with.
In other words, he's LONG gone.

>  Anders Skelander
>

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From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: IBM lamers at their worst - uiuc siggraph meeting
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:36:01 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Oh, how witty, James.  Did it take all the intelligence you possess to learn
>how to cut&paste?

	More than what you got.

>Moron.  They guy made a sweeping one-sentence generalization, "The Amiga
>is the only computer that can lay graphics onto video tape."  Seems pretty
>clear to me -- clearly BS.

	Idiot, why don't you try and clarify first. You statements
just lead to more problems.

James
From: etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lynx (was Re: More Jeff Young Rambings)
Keywords: rubbish,utter rubbish,total rubbish
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:46:23 GMT
Organization: Ericsson

andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:

>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>> The Atari ST was designed by the guy who designed the Commodore 64. 

>Actually, no.  Al Charpentier did the systems engineering and VIC-II chip,
>Bob Yannes did the SID chip, Bob Russell did the Kernal.  (I did
>early games/applications programs and edited (and wrote a lot of) the C64
>Programmer's Reference Guide.)  Al and Bob Y. were among the founders
>of  Ensoniq.  Bob R. is at his own company.  I'm at mine.

>The people who left C= to go to Atari were some of the Z8000 crew
>and John Feagans, who was involved in the Commodore PET computer.
>(and who created the Magic Desk :-)  )

 I was thinking of Shiraz Shivdji (hope I spelled his name correctly),
I thought the C64 was "his" child, as the Atari ST is.

 It's nice to get the real story, though.

 Anders Skelander
 
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: New Product Opinions
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:17:46 GMT

In article <jayson.03gz@tbag.tscs.com> jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips) writes:
>>   The IBM slots don't cost more than a few dollars to install.  As long as
>>Zorro II or III slots are being provided, leaving out the IBM slots would
>>mean unnused space in front of the Zorro slots, and filling that space with
>>an IBM slot costs almost nothing.  (The only exception to this is the
>>A3000-style Zorro slot in line with the video slot)
> 
>These IBM slots cost more than many people seem to realize.  Take four slot
>connectors  with,  say,  100 pins each.  That's 400 solder connections that
>have  to be tested for continuity.  The slot connectors themselves actually
>cost  more than chips that might take up the same space.  They're expensive
>"components",  so  to  speak.   Then  there's  the  logic  chips  needed to
>interface  these  slots to the rest of the system.

   Well, I do know that some companies are still selling XT motherboards for
$40 each and making a profit on them.  Since these motherboards usually
include a number of slot connectors, it make since that the cost of making
the slots and having them soldered into the motherboard and tested should be
FAR less than $40.  

   
>  Then consider the board
>realestate.   The  mother  board  has  to be larger to accomadate the slots
>which means the case has to be larger to accomadate the mother board.

   No way.  As I said before, the space for the IBM slots is built-into the
Zorro II form factor specifications.  No motherboard space would be saved if
the IBM slots were left out.  

>  Then
>the  power  supply has to be larger or at least stronger to accomadate what
>ever  might plug into the slots.

   Which usually include things like time base correctors and other devices
than just BridgeBoards or IBM cards.

> Jay Phillips Tampa FL
> Amiga 3000 25Mhz/105HD/10MB
> USENET: tbag!jayson@tscs.com

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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Noest)
Subject: Re: Amiga World published by IDG
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:11:19 GMT

In article <65674@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>Speakin of Norway (and Sweden and Finland as long as we're here) are
>there any English-language Amiga magazines produced in Scandinavia?

No, there isn't even one Norwegian magazine. Ok, perhaps one; first issue
was out last month.
So you see, not much chance of a english speaking one...

I don't know of any Scandinavian magazines done in English, only Swedish
and Danish.


>Harv

Norwegian newsagents and their distributors (well, there is only one) are
not worth much.
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From: simon@ivem.uucp (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC Imagine Was: IBM lamers at their worst - uiuc siggraph meeting
Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:07:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <copes.716184616@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>>Estimated shipping date October 1st, offer of $100 dollars for existing 
>>Imagine owners who want to pre-order now. $495 otherwise.
>
>CONSIDERABLY more expensive than 2.0 for the amiga, isn't it.  Imagine 2.0
>is < A$300 here.  Wonder how many copies they will sell... ;-)

Probably way more than the amount sold for the amigas if its any good. :(

-Simon
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: AA & A3000???
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.010625.14694@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>In article <1992Sep14.075004.21751@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>>>   OK, the bandwidth isn't there.  Yes, I realize that the bandwidth isn't
>>>there.  I assure you that I am FULLY AWARE that the bandwidth isn't there.
>
>>>But what does bandwidth have to do with it?
>
>For me, these two little bits just about sum up the wisdom of MB.

   Oh, sure, take out the original message so that my message is no longer
funny, and then bash me for it not being funny.  Right.  Since a sense of
humor is something that you were obviously never blessed with, I will explain
it to you: the original poster went out of his way to say that "the bandwidth
isn't there" a total of four different times in four sentences, even though the
bandwidth (of the ECS, I assume) was not relevant to the discussion at hand.
I was trying to demonstrate this absurdity by being absurd.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Problem with No New Copper in A4000
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:38:38 GMT

   There is one thing about the AGA chipset that I've forgotten to mention. 
This is the drawbacks to the lack of improvements to the copper.  In the
ECS, the copper requires 2 scanlines to update the palette registers between
pull-down screens.  The AGA Lisa chip now has many more palette registers,
but the copper has not been updates accordingly.  The result is bigger
blank space between pull-down screens on the AGA chipset.  A total of 11
scanlines of space, in fact.  Thus, you can write off enhanced equivelents
to the Dynamic HiRes or SHAM modes for the AGA chipset.

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From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Date: 14 Sep 1992 14:25:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <5417@tuegate.tue.nl> peter@blade (Peter Korsten) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>
>: 2>  Drop the A600.  The base Amiga should at least include AmigaDOS 3.0
>:     and the AGA chips.
>
>A600 -> low cost -> high sales -> much profit

If this were true then I would expect that since the C-64 is the
best selling computer , C= woould be the richest computer company.
But you forgot the important part:

Low Cost -> low margin -> high sales -> small profit. Apple is
going to make a lot more money than C= selling fewer machines
at a $1000++ price. 

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:44:28 GMT

>There is/was a game for the Amiga called "Fairy Tale Adventure" or
>something like that which used an angled view.  It really impressed
>me a few years ago but I'm not certain of what became of the company
>that produced it (Microillusions?).  The graphics for the "world"
>were 32 color lo-res, but the control panel at the bottom of the
>screen was in hi-res with 8 or 16 colors.  This "split screen"
>approach would be nice on some newer games.  It really sucks trying
>to read lo-res text and the fake 80 column fonts make me retch.

	I remember playing this game a while back on my A500, it was pretty
   good.  Especially after you found the swan and could fly all over the 
   entire world with it.  The music for it was pretty good also, it changed
   when bandits were chasing you.  I'd forgotten how much fun I had with it.
   Kinda makes me want to get an Amiga again. :)

							G.Greene
 
>
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From: dstuve@prism.cs.orst.edu (David Stuve)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Here's one for ya....
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:21:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept

In <1992Sep14.172706.13835@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

>When the "highend, 4 chip set" and "low end 2 chip set" machines finally
>arrive I believe the A4000 and othere "AGA" owners will be in the same boat
>we A3000/A2000/A500/A600 owners are in now.

I get the impression that these future chipsets are a few years off.

>Thus I believe I will just hold onto my A3000/25. It's a good machine.
>If I'm lucky some clever 3rd party hacker will marcket some sort of
>kluge to put the new chips in my A3000.

Yeah!  I'd buy one....

David Stuve
dstuve@prism
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Best rumor of the week!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:43:02 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <Bu2JE4.Er8@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:
[various other peoples' rumors deleted]
>The Weakly Weird News published a report that Ross Perot was the "love child"
>of Irving Gould and Yoda. Is this true??

	WWN should do their research a little more carefully.  Perot is
actually the love child of Irving Gould and Yoko *Ono*.  Rumor has it that
Yoda was merely a spectator at their holy union.

                                                        Dan

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From: rittle@supra (Loren James Rittle)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Organization: Systems Technology Research / Motorola Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:08:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.154243.23044@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>AutoConfig is nice, but you get to use it, what, once every couple of

That's AutoConfig (TM) and don't you forget it!

Loren
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From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Summary: AGA: No higher resolutions than ECS
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.200402.18672@news.Hawaii.Edu> hcheng@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Dr. Hsueh-li Cheng) writes:
>In article <5417@tuegate.tue.nl> peter@blade (Peter Korsten) writes:
>>
>>The AA-chipset doesn't support all SVGA features, like 800x600 or
>                                                        ^^^^^^^
>>1024x768 in 256 colors.
>
>	There has been numerous posts stating that the AGA chipset
>does have 800x600 resolution in 256 colors and in 256,000+ colors(HAM8). 
>Also since the AGA chipset is programmable like the ECS, I think it 
>may be possible to have 1024x768 and 1280x960 resolutions in a future
>release of workbench, though I'm not sure if the bandwidth would allow 
>256 colors.

The AGA chips offer the very same pixel speeds that ECS does: 140ns
(low res), 70ns (high res), and 35ns (super high res).  The reason for
this is pretty clear to me: The Amiga and AGA are for consumer video.
Faster pixels are of no use.

This means that higher resolutions are still a dream for the future,
and will be for years to come.  Video dominates the Amiga design,
because that's the only market where the Amiga has a presence, and
Commodore's gotta milk it.

(To me, the video is what supports my user interface.  The Amiga,
including AGA, is no longer cost-effective for this task.  I can
afford higher resolutions and more colors from PC-based offerings.)
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From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:22:25 GMT

>a 386 box can of course compete with the A500.  However, I wonder if such
>$400 386box come with VGA card and 8bit sound card...

And a multitasking OS.

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From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:58:43 GMT

peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>In article <1624@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>>   Really? How could they possibly? SAS makes the compilers CBM use, and
>> CBM has nothing to do with the actual development.

>There are other compiler vendors. Personally, I'd like to be able to buy
>Watcom C for the Amiga.

  Me too. As it is right now the only good compiler for the Amiga appears
to be SAS/C (and GCC, but it's hardly usable). Some competition sure
wouldn't hurt. Unfortunately, MANX seem to have dropped the Amiga version,
so I guess the only thing to hope for is the rumoured commercial DICE.

> The Watcom 486 compiler does significantly better than even GOOD 
> assembly.

  Cannot comment on Watcom or any other Intel compiler, but obviously
the MS-DOS market is big enough for several different compilers. I don't
think any Amiga compiler manufacturer could ever dream of being able to
put as much money into compiler R&D as Microsoft, Borland et al are. It's
a pity, really.

>>   It's funny how people take every possible opportunity to pick on CBM
>> decisions.

>I don't. I haven't even posted in months until this stuff about the 4000
>came out. I've defended the Amiga vigorously on other fronts.

  I didn't mean you in particular, but the general reaction on the A4000 
from  most people here on UseNet appears to be `WHAT? I cannot use the 
AGA Chipset in my A3000/A2000/whatever !???? Screw Commodore'. Very 
annoying to say the least. People have been crying for new machines for
ages and when Commodore finally announces it everybody seems to think
it's crap (too expensive, AGA chips don't work in A3000, no new soundchip,
half-speed HD drives, no serial FIFO, slow blitter and the list goes on, 
and on...) To me at least the A4000 seems to be an excellent machine and 
I'm sure  getting one. I'll keep my old A3000 for debugging programs - 
Enforcer doesn't work on a 68040 right now :-)
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