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From: bailey@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Alarm Dogs
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:10:22 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

That's how I think of my 'terror team', 40 pounds of alarm, all 
going off at once.  And I have learned to classify the barks.  
I ignore Al, he barks just to hear himself. (And since he is in 
self imposed isolation, because of the baby, he's probably letting 
me know he's still there.)  He's got a 'small dog' bark, funny 
how it seems to be the opposite of his personality.

Bo learned to bark at cars on the road and since we live at the 
end of a country road, if he barks someone's coming.  And he's 
got a load, booming bark, you can hear him all over the house.

Kailey, a terrier, sounds a lot larger than her 8 pounds would
suggest.  She'll only bark if everyone else is barking.  I had
her first, to be an 'alarm dog', for the first 6 months I 
wondered if she *had* a bark.

Terina lives up to the hound in 'dachshund', sounds like one in 
full chase.  She'll also bark if everyone else is barking.

So if they all start barking, someone's at the door (or
Lady's, neighbor's Elkhound, is barking).  Great deterrent
for salespeople, missionaries and other varmints, is to 
answer the door with all four going crazy.  

The dog I really appreciate is Lady.  Having her roam the two 
properties has saved our garden from pests and been a deterrent
to 'driveups'. I love it when they ask if she bites, I always
answer 'don't know, it's the neighbor's dog'.  (She's the 
friendliest, nicest dog you could have.)

Lori (Mom to Kailey, Al, Terina and Bo and sometimes Lady.)
Bailey@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Weimaraners
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:06:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

I would like some information on Weimaraners (sp?).  I think they
are beautiful animals and am thinking about getting one.  I need
to know if they tend to be destructive, how much room they need,
if they are loyal, smart... that kind of thing.  Do they need
a lot of attention (how much?)?

The reason I need all this information is because my husband
and I just had a bad experience with a dog.  This dog was
1/2 GreatDane 1/2 Black Lab.  Mike (my spouse) ran him
3 times a day for a total of 2-3 hours.  This was not
enough.  The dog ate 1couch, 3 chairs, 2 doors, window sills,
baseboards, oriental rugs as well as our weights, a dresser and
telephone lines. (When I say ate I mean ATE!)  We tried everything
from putting `no-chew' on things to keeping the dog confined to one
room when we were away.  Nothing worked.
Yet when it came to dinner, he was very apathetic, no matter what we gave him!

He was VERY friendly and loved children but we just couldn't break him
of chewing.  We had to get rid of him.  It broke my husband's heart.


We have a fairly large house but no yard.  There is a big field not even
1/2 a block away where we exercised him.  I have never had such problems
with a pet.  Anyway, I am inclined to believe that this dog was an
exception and that we *can* have a dog but we don't want to go through
the heart break again.  What do you think?

Thanks
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Dogs & Chromium (was Re: Large Breeds Showing Age)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:41:53 GMT

In <1993Jan6.165939.1387@sq.sq.com> wendy@sq.sq.com (Wendy Harrison) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.154736.8460@cas.org> sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine) writes:
>>
>>	It is common for dogs noses to turn from black to brown or
>>from brown to pinkish in the wintertime. Usually, this doesn't
>>happen during their first winter (when they are still a puppy), but
>>can be noticed during their second winter. For breeds (like goldens)
>>which are supposed to have black pigmentation,

>With northern breeds (like my Malamute), this is called "Snow Nose".
>I can only speculate about the cause, but I didn't know it was more
>general.  It is so common with Malamutes that I doubt it would be
>a fault in the ring.  My girl's nose turns a kind of liverish grey
>colour, but her uncle's nose turns pink.

Labradors and goldens also do this.  I don't know about goldens, but
so long as it's clear it's a black nose that's off color as opposed to
a nose with no pigmentation whatsoever, it is not a fault in the ring
either.  It isn't called "snow nose" but it is the same thing.

I don't know what the common denominator is (I wouldn't call either
of these retrievers "northern" breeds) -- size & type of fur?

--Cindy


--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Jack Russell Terriers
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:33:09 GMT
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service

In article <1993Jan8.142955.10794@sequent.com>, schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
|> Does anyone on the net know the contact information for the national
|> Jack Russell Terrier breed club?
|> 
|> schalene
|> 
   
There are two registries in the U.S. for Jack Russells.  Addresses at bottom.
I'm also listing the address and price for the Complete Jack Russell Terrier book
if you're interested because I had all that info in the same file. :^)

Dog World
P.O. Box 6500
Chicago, Il 60680

Complete Jack Russell Terrier ($16.95)



The Jack Russell Terrier Club of America
J.R.T.C.A.
$7.00  for info
The JRTCA
P.O. Box 365
Far Hills, NJ  07931




The Jack Russell Terrier Breeders Association of America
$1.00 for info (Parson John Russell working terriers)
The Secretary
Donna Maloney
JRTBA
P.O. Box 353
Windham, Ct 06280

~
From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: Getting a dog (A sad story)
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:04:44 GMT

Elizabeth F. wrote a terribly sad story about her sister's family
being plagued with break-ins one of which resulted in their dog
getting loose and killed.  I can only imagine that the rescue society
that refuses to give them a new dog doesn't understand the situation.
Either that, or I didn't understand it.  Give them another try.  Some
people can fly off the handle with lectures before they hear the whole
story--the person may have heard, "my dog was hit by a car when it
was running around loose."  and quit listening at that point.

I'm sorry about all the bad luck the family has had.  I believe any
other rescue society would be happy to place a dog with them.  It
seems to me that the family should think about what it wants in a 
dog.  Considering their bad luck with break-ins, do they want a dog
which will alert them to strange noises?  a dog who will attack an
intruder?  or a lover couch potato to help the daughters along?  I'm
not claiming that that the three qualities are mutually exclusive,
just that the family needs to decide what they want.  

I wouldn't advise a bassett hound as an attack dog, although they are
not bad as an alert--not great, but not bad either.    Golden retrievers
aren't known to be good attack dogs either.  Terriers make good alert
watch dogs, german shepherds are great family protectors.  And greyhounds
are great couch potato snugglers.   But the individual dog you get will
be unique and only roughly fit those classic breed descriptions you
can find in your encyclopedia--this is particularly true if you are 
going to get a rescued adult dog.

I'd suggest the family go to a local shelter and discuss their needs with
one of the volunteers.  Then, a little patience, a little perseverence,
and your sister could end up with a great dog for her home.  So many
people have ended up with "the best dog they've ever had" from shelters.
It's not usually the dog that was so wonderful, but the fit.  I wish
your sister lived near Chicago.  I'd be happy to talk to her and then
keep my eye out for her "best dog she's ever had."

Let's hope 1993 is going to bring a little better luck for your sister!
--and all of those wonderful dogs out their looking for "the best owner
they've ever had."

-- 
                              O             betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu
_          __                  \            
  \      /    \       -- >      O           E. C. Weatherhead
   \ __ /      \ __ /          /            5734 S. Ellis  Chicago, 60637
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: puppy greets friends by piddling on them :-(
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:21:27 -0600
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1993Jan06.150156.21396@stiatl.salestech.com>,
rwt@stiatl.salestech.com (Roger Terrell) wrote: 
> [...]
> Occasionally  he'll run to greet someone who has come into
> my apartment, and he'll piddle on them in his excitment 

_MY_ kind of dog!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: philg@bozo.net.com (Phil Geller)
Subject: Re: Electronic collar info needed
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:48:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.185152.12690@netcom.com> kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.020532.29368@unet.net.com> 
>	philg@bozo.net.com (Phil Geller) writes:
>
>>I have the 3 button model (200A?), which is probably more than I needed.
>>It has variable strength shocks, and a good-dog tone which doesn't
>>do much.
>
>It doesn't do anything if you don't -- you must train the dog to
>associate the tone with some other reward, like praise, food, etc.  The
>'reward tone' comes first, then a reward the dog already knows.
>Eventually the tone becomes the primary reward.
>
>Understanding such things really helps make effective use of electronic
>collars -- they are easily misused.  
>-- 

Has that really worked for you?  That's how Tri-tronics markets it,
but I haven't  had much luck with using the tone. (My dog sometimes
just comes to me when she hears it.  Perhaps she's associated it
with the shock.)  I've also had Jim Dobbs, Tri-tronics trainer,
tell me that he doesn't find it to be very a very good tool.
If the tone has help in your training, then maybe it is worth
the extra expense in some cases.


-- 
Phil Geller				Email: philg@net.com
Network Equipment Technologies 		Phone: (415) 780-4363
800 Saginaw Drive 			Fax:   (415) 780-5001
Redwood City, CA 94063 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: puppy mills
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:40:22 GMT

In article <1ii0ogINN6o8@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:

= : I've made a point of telling the store clerk why I am leaving their store
= : without buying anything.  It's not the clerk's fault, so I try to be polite,
= : but I want the message to trickle through to whoever it is that makes the
= : decisions.
= 
= But it is the clerk's fault that they work there.

Not a flame; just a reminder:

Before we all get too self righteous, remember that that clerk may
well need that job in the worst way.  It may well have been the
only job available.  Maybe he'd like nothing better than a job
where he doesn't have to push puppy-mill output.

= It is also the clerk's
= fault when they have no clue about the lives that they sell (I had one

How so?  Suppose that the only source of information he's
(that "he" includes "she" here and throughout).
ever had is what the company tells him?  Maybe he doesn't have
UseNet to enlighten him.

It may well be that that clerk really likes animals but still
has a lot to learn and is at the mercy of what the company tells him
He may simply not know any better.  For that matter, if he really needs
the job, he may be at the mercy of what the company tells him whether
he knows better or not.  Hacking on him is less likely to educate him
than is a simple, civil, explanation as described in the original post
and in the later parts of this one to which this is a response.  Just
so one doesn't just try to embarass the clerk in front of a storeful
of customers--that's not likely to be conducive to learning.

I repeat: Not a flame, just a little reminder that, regardless of what
you think of the store, the clerk in the pet store may be worthy of
the same courtesy and consideration that you show others.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Breeding info
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:52:50 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <C0GEDn.2xB@news.udel.edu> thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:

>I, too, was looking at Dalmations and the breeder told me something
>which seems a bit peculiar to me.

>He told me that it is OK to inbreed father and daughter.

>So my question is, how much inbreeding can be done?  How far back should
>I check the bloodline?

Well, there is a LOT more to it than this.

You can breed father/daughter (and other close pairs) to find out what
your recessives are.  If you don't have any bad recessives, there is
nothing wrong with the puppies.  If you do, you can get a litter of
real problems.

You can only inbreed this closely for a few generations, though.  No
matter how good the genes are, after a while the dogs in successive
generations become infertile.  Marla described it as a "copier running
out of ink," which is a pretty good description, actually.

A related type of breeding is linebreeding, which is breeding
relatives, but not so closely.  A classic is grandsire to
granddaughter.  You can also do cousins and other relationships that
become harder to define when the dogs share multiple ancestors (you
start expressing it as a percentage of common ancestry).  The effects
are similar to inbreeding: you limit the entrance of new genes, but
you don't bring out bad recessives so quickly or dramatically.  This
is generally safer as it is a rare dog that does not have some sort of
problem gene.

The point of these types of breeding is to conserve the genes you
have.  It's like shuffling a deck of cards -- you get new
combinations, but are always using the same (Well, linebreeding
introduces new cards, slowly, and crossbreeding/outbreeding introduces
new cards all the time.)

Inbreeding/linebreeding does NOT guarantee good results.  The results
are only as good as the set of genes involved.  Thus it is OK (from
the point of view of healthy puppies) if the parents have 'good
genes'.  If they don't, then it is not.

Often, this type of breeding is thought to be bad because of human
proscriptions against incest.  Well, that's a different kettle of
fish I won't go much into, but the only danger with inbreeding lies
with the genes you have.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: karl@dixie.com (Karl Klingman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Why do dogs protect?
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:24:25 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) writes:



>The reason that springs first to my mind is that the dog is protecting "its
>pack".  Is there some ancient instinct that causes a dog to recognize when a
>pack member, is in battle, and to come to its aid even if the pack member
>is more dominant?  I am really curious about this.

Yes, that is exactly correct.  Dog behavior is as much pack oriented as
it is individually oriented.  By this I mean that to attack a pack member
is the same as attacking the individual.  Think about what happens when
someone attacks a member of a mexican street gang.  Same thing. ; )

-- 
He who would trade his liberty for  |  Karl Klingman
short-term security deserves        |  American Research Group, Inc.
neither...   Ben Franklin           |  karl@dixie.com
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Territoriality and Ranging
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:32:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: MSUS

I don't find much literature on this so your experiences would
be appreciated.  Given a particular breed (in my case, I'm
interested in Great Pyrenees) and a rural environment, how
much territory does your dog claim?  And how far will it range?

I've a mutt, for example, who has taken three acres around the
house as a regular ranging area and infrequently will take
excursions as far as a mile (section) away.  Never further.

And there is a German Shepard who'd owner lives _four_ miles
away and I've seen that dog as much as 3 miles from home.

Does your dog range?  How far?  What kind of dog?  How does
it behave when another enters his space?

Thanks in advance for your observations.

john
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: Royal Size Poodle??
Organization: not much...
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:33:18 GMT

I have heard of something called an "Imperial Standard".  I am not interested
in showing, or pedigrees, so I don't know anything about AKC standards or
show-ability, but the animals I've met who have been called Imperials are
larger than the 45-60-lb range and taller than any Standard I've seen.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Adding to Pet Peeves
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:33:24 GMT

In article <1ia1laINNoa1@weiss.cs.unc.edu>, wagner@cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner) 
writes:
>In article <1i4ec9INNh3j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
(Gail E. Brookhart) writes:
>>On a side note, I recently had to shop for new homeowners insurance and my
>>pet peeve is that I was questioned to find out if I owned an aggressive
>>breed of dog.  The breeds specifically mentioned were German Shepherd Dog,
>>Doberman Pinscher, Rottweiler, Chow Chow, and I believe they mentioned
>>Akita and Boxer.  This really steamed me because it is an uninformed and
>>reactive element of our society that is so eager to condemn before they
>>understand.
>
>I have seeb a number of posts along these
>lines in my past couple of years of reading
>this newsgroup.  Can anyone get to the
>stats the insurance companies are using to
>make these decisions?  Getting steamed may
>be natural, getting information may be
>educational.

Caveat: One problem with statistics is that a dog being accused
may be misidentified. For example, I have seen stories in the local
paper on dog attacks where the dog was identified as Breed X and
a week later a correction was printed or a picture was given showing
the dog to be a Breed Y mix instead (how many "pit bulls" really
are, for example?).

Before I believed the stats, I'd want to know if the dog was
properly ID'd in each 'incident'. My black lab has been called
a Rottweiler twice and a dobie once (he's thinner than most labs,
but he most definitely is solid black with a long tail! :+)

************************************************************
* jane jackson and murphy b. lab, Am/Can CD, WC, CGC, TDI  *
* jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu                                *
*                                                          *
* standard disclaimer applies...                           *
************************************************************
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Puppies Born!
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:35:07 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <10JAN199319192528@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu>
kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu writes:
>       I'm just wondering why the breeder won't let the puppies go until
>they are 9 weeks old.  Many obedience books recommend 7 weeks as the optimal
>age for puppies to go to their new homes.  I was just wondering because we
>are planning on breeding one of our Belgians (don't worry she is a champion,
>OFA, Cerf, etc...).  Does any other breeders out there have opinions on this?

Kathy: My Newfoundland puppies go to their new homes between 9 and 12 weeks.
Newfs have a very high incidence of congenital heart disease, so responisble
breeders have their puppies hearts checked by a veterinary cardiologist at
whatever the minimum age the vet will allow. Current thinking in vet.
cardiology says "the older the better" (of course), so we compromise at 9-10
weeks. Depends upon the cardiologist's schedule. Also, if a puppy is to be
shipped to his/her new home, I wait until it is at least 12 weeks old before
shipping.

Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands, Tipp City, OH
-- 
marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: FAQ Reorganization (was Re: FAQ sections missing from FTP server)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:24:11 GMT

In <1ivg32INN35h@shelley.u.washington.edu> il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:

>I can't find the sections "new" and "references" on the ftp server at
>pit-manager.mit.edu.  Does anybody have any idea what happened to it?

Yes.  I've removed those two files in a reorganization of the FAQ.  It
is supposed to be posted on the 14th of this month, and all the new
files will be properly archived there after that.

I've split the "new" section up into three parts.  The first is
"getting-a-dog" -- this talks about how to get one, what you should be
ready for, the things and equipement you'll need.  "new-puppy" talks
about what to do with your new puppy.  "new-dog" is aimed at people
who acquire dogs that are already adult (unfortunately, this file is
still under construction and will not appear right away).

"references" got renamed to "resources" since it really has more than
just book references in it.  I totally reorganized the book references
so it should be easier to find what you're looking for.  THere are some
new catalogue companies and magazines in there now, too.

I split "working" up into "working" and "service" where "service"
contains all the service dogs (guide dogs, signal dogs, therapy dogs,
etc) that used to be in working (working was getting two big).  For
similar reasons, "training" split up into "training" and "behavior",
where behavior got all the problem behavior stuff.

I think that's the bulk of the changes, other than the little things
that get added there from time to time.  Since I haven't put out a
major update since about the middle of October, though, there's a lot
of little changes in there!

So...look for the new and improved FAQ coming your way in a few days!

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need new home for Elkhound
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:47:54 GMT
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
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the norwegian elkhound rescue names i have are:

barbara plant 508-636-5548(referrals only)
marion szymanski 508-747-2728
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine