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From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: The Bahai faith: References, prophecies and prophets
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:52:44 GMT
Followup-To: poster


> Baha'ullah was knee deep in tassawuf.


	He did not notice the "tassawuf." Others may.
	
---raj
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indians Protest Libyan sanctions
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:43:36 GMT
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <92107.100740TAZ@psuvm.psu.edu>, <TAZ@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> This morning's newspaper had a picture of people burning G. Bush's effigy
> in front of Jama Masjid in New Delhi to protest the sanctions against Libya.
> They were carrying signs of 'Down with US, UK and France'. I wonder if
this is
> why India rather abstained from the vote in the security council.

The Raleigh News and Observer had a picture of this with a caption
describing Indian Muslims expressing unity with their Muslim brothers in
Libya!! There couldn't be any other reason to oppose the actions by the
US, UK and France, could there?

Brad Hernlem
From: ighosh@vlsi.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil some suggestion
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:55:09 GMT


 > >>	Hey!! Lets get a step further. How about Soc.culture.madras???!!!
 > >
 > >I think we should have a soc.culture.indian.your_language group... at least,
 > >soc.culture.indian.malayalam... hmm...  maybe we should start forming
 > >groups too... like malayalee student association or something? The Indian
 > >student associations are a waste of time, as I have found out myself...
 > >
 > >Njan
 >
 > 	I would 've thought you would advocate forming soc.culture.indian.south,
 > whatever your defination of 'south'. Baffled...
				^^^^^

 Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, Louisiana, N. Carolina, S.Carolina, Virginia,
 Florida, Texas, Missisippi ......


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:13821 soc.culture.bangladesh:2262 soc.culture.nepal:180 soc.culture.pakistan:6157
From: akk@cseg08.uark.edu (KHANNA ANIL KUMAR)
Subject: X-CMCites reunion
Keywords: CMC
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 13:44:44 GMT


Hi X-CMCites,

Thank you very much for the support to form a net of x-cmcites. I have received several mails from various parts of US and NZ.  They are in various languages (like assembler pascal, c and ada) and formats. It will take some time to put them in order. I know you have been anxiously waiting to contact your old friends. Pl bear with me for couple of days. The list will be mailed directly to all contributors. If you do not receive it  with in a week pl send a mail to me. 

Meanwhile find out and encourge x-cmcites to send their addresses. 

anil khanna




*****************************************************************

Hi

Welcome to family of X-CMCites. First I would like to thank you for your support
and encouragement. I should be ready with the first list by the end of this
week.

I would also appreciate if you could send my mail to other X-CMCites whom
you know of. Because not many people read network news regularly. There
are number of X-CMCites not having access to network. It will be good if we
could also get their name and address.

Once again thank you very much. 

anil

*******************************************
Previous msg. included for forwarding.

Hi,

>Do you know if some has a list of all ex CMCites( ex employees of CMC ltd.
>in India)? I think there are many of ex CMCites in US. I have been to 
>Austraila and NewZealand. Ex CMCites there maintain an up-to-date list and
>frequently share their professional experience. It will be a good idea to
>create list of ex CMCites and keep in touch with each other. Do you have any
>suggestions?. I do not mind coordinating this activity. If you like this
>idea pl feel free to send you name, address, tel.no and professional interest
>to me I will compile and post it on the network. If you now of some one who
>is not on the network pl discuss with him and if he likes put his address
>also.
From: raj@coquina.cs.odu.edu (M.P. Krishna Raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: For Jitendra Telang about his soc.tamil article
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:32:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr16.213218.28412
Distribution: na
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA
Originator: raj@coquina.ocean.odu.edu

You have written that Hindi is national language. For your information
there are 14 national languages (whatever you saw on the rupee notes).
Hindi is one of the official language, other one being english. 

If you studied properly in your high school you may not be
posting such junk article. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Keywords: Living Dools, Love, Marriages.
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 00:32:16 GMT


In article <1992Apr7.213139.26298@gatech.edu> soc.culture.indian writes:
>I have read many debates on the net reg.
>arranged vs love marriage and was amused that
>Indian students are wasting their time debating
>on this, when they don't practice it (love m'ge) at all.
>
>I find 99% of Indian men still tied to MAMA's
>pallu, in other words, they DO NOT DARE to choose
>their own life partner. They might freak out here
>with Indian girls ( if they find someone) and with
>American girls too. But finally, when it comes to
>marriage, they run back home to choose possibly the
>prettiest of the living dolls they see in the numerous
>living rooms they visit and marry her in a couple of days.
>
>I can attribute a couple of reasons for this:
>
>1. These guys don't like independent women as they prefer
>   DOMINATING over some docile creature who will have no
>   alternative but to tag with their whims and fancies.
>
>2. They are  terrified of the prospect of having to convince
>   their parents about their choice since most parents find some
>   objection to anybody their children choose in this manner.
>
>There is also the category who are really "TOO SHY" to even
>interact with girls, whose handicap I can understand but
>the others, why are you bothering to give lame excuses for
>preferring arranged marriages ( as some of u have done).
>
>Hope all of you agree with me, atleast at heart.
>
>From
>
>An Indian Independent woman.
>
>					
>					-New User (newuser@cc.gatech.edu)


Well a rather blanket statement to make. It is in fact quite possible
and it happens for a fact that Indian girls now are far more choosy &
rightly so, that they are very circumspect in choosing guys returning
from the US, particularly with the burden that we guys carry and what
has been explained rather eloquently by you.

It also happens,  that there are many Indian guys, particularly those 
from middle-class Indian families, who have a value system  different
from others from India,  and who do not believe in going after girls,
either Indian,  or American.  They refrain from doing so, not because 
they are shy, but because they simply do not believe in it.  They are 
the ones actually who are the most capable of making friends with the
two types of girls you've mentioned and have been able to form  a lot
of long-lasting relationships with them.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: st13d@Elroy.UH.EDU (Ashish Parikh)
Subject: Re: Transit Visa-Frankfurt
Reply-To: st13d@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:16:53 GMT




In article <1992Apr17.160214.14201@uwm.edu>, kaji@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tejas Kaji) writes:
>
>I would be grateful if someone, who in the recent past has travelled to India
>via Frankfurt, can let me know if indian citizens are required to obtain a 
>transit visa if they are in transit at Frankfurt.
Yes, all citizens of India, Pakistan etc. are required to obtain a transit
visa.  This can be done at the German Consulate in your area. if you don't know
where that is, either ask your travel agent or call Lufthansa at 1-800-645-3880
The following is required for a transit visa:
*  A valid passport which shows your complete birthdate.
*  I-94
*  A valid I-20
*  Ticket or itenarary(have I spelt that correctly?)
*  One passport sized photograph (yes, yours!!)
*  $3.10 in fees (Sorry, they accept only cash)

The whole procedure takes about 1-3 hours.
I went through this yesterday. No hassles at all.
All the best and have a nice trip.
Incidentally, if you are a American citizen, you do not need a visa if your
period of stay in Germany will not exceed 90 days.
You are Welcome.
Naveen Pinglay. (Ashish Parikh's friend)

>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Tejas 
>-- 
>******************************************************************************
>Tejas Kaji                       E-mail (inter-net): kaji@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
>University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee           or       kaji@convex.csd.uwm.edu
>******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: as@cs.brown.edu (Apratim Sarkar)
Subject: Re: Lets start a controversial topic
Keywords: National language of india
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:35:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.064608.6068@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ndg0487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mr
Controversial ) writes: 
|> J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal) writes:
|> 
|> >Mr Controversial writes-

<stuff deleted>

|> >:	"How it would be if we accept hindi as the national language of India"
|> 
|> 
|> >"How would it be Mr Controversial, if we not only accept hindi as our national
|> >language but also circumcise all Indian males and force them to go to church 
|> >every sunday"
|> i	THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO MOSQUE
|> 
|> 	I didn't mean that hindi should be forced but something should be
						      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 	done so that most of the peoples in India accepts hindi as the national
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 	
|>language. For example some special benefits can be given to non-hindi
  ^^^^^^^^
May I please have your reasons for that?

|> 	speaking people trying to learn hindi and that sorts of things.Something
|>should be done. It is a matter of shame that we don't have a national language. 
					       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We do. Hindi. Only that it is not accepted.
Even after 45 years.
And with enough propaganda.
My humble question, reasoning objectively, what does that seem to imply?

Apra. 	

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From: vikc@digital.sps.mot.com (Vikrant Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Padma Vibhushan awards ...
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:33:17 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

From : Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
Subject: India: AIR News - "Padma" Awards Presented

"The President Mr.Ramaswamy Venkataramn today presented the "Padma" awards
to 67 eminent personalities.  The five "Padma Vibhushan" recepients 
included Mr.Atal Bihari Vajpayee, veteran freedom fighter Mr.Kaloji 
Narayan Rao, noted vocalist Mr.Mallikarjun Mansoor and Dr.Padmavathi. 
	Veteran film maker V.Shanta Ram has been awarded the Padma
Vibhushan posthumously.  The President also awarded the Padma Bhushan
awards to 13 eminent persons."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

For some unknown reason it just bothers me, with utmost respect to
all freedom fighters, why in the world Mr Kaloji Narayan Rao, now
after almost 45 years after the independence, being given this award.
Was he not worthy of it for the past 45 years? Or the government
didn't know about him till last year ?

Why do people so very often get awarded posthumously ? Is it their
life which keeps their good work or achievements from being 
recognised ? 

Things that make you go uhhmmmmm ......
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Pyar Kiya To Darna Kyaa. (arranged marriages etc)
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:13:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


	
	Is it true that ALL MARRIAGES ARE ARRANGED?
	               [A marriage is made in heaven].
	
	                Only we think otherwise.
	
	
---raj
From: sunder@athena.mit.edu (Sankar Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Summary: It is a very Dumb Idea
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:20:51 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I think soc.culture.tamil is truly one of the dumbest ideas in a newsgroup 
with the maximum number of dumb ideas. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raj@coquina.cs.odu.edu (M.P. Krishna Raj)
Subject: SOC.CULTURE.TAMIL corrected posting
Originator: raj@coquina.ocean.odu.edu
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:23:11 GMT

Sorry for typo in the previous posting
  For tamils who feel sct unnecessary,


soc.culture.tamil stands for Tamil people all over the world and not
for
soc.culture.tamilnadu.

soc.culture.tamil is not for tamil language . It means tamil people
every where.

Asking someone who is not a citizen of india to post in sci is asking 
pakistani and bangladeshis not to have their own group since their culture
is one and the same before 1947.

soc.culture.tamil is stands for what it is meaning and has no
connotation.

Calling, forming sct is against patriotic indianism has no relevance to
this issue. I believe me and you are equally patriotic.

If you don't know that Jana Gana Mana is written in praise of British
King and part of 5 songs, please understand that it has been taken up
as national anthem for its literary value. 
Indian Tamils participation
in sct does not inflict any thing upon their conscience as Indian.If you feel don't sing 'adinayakka Jaya ho' again. After all you are
telling Jaya Ho to praise the british king. 
If you believe  Bharathiar's songs are truely patriotic then sct which
wiil be discussig about at length will be your right choice
SCI with 100 posting every day simply makes everything difficult. The
argument is same as for the presence of misc.news.southasia



Tamils have been spread all over the world from the land masses of the
present indian sub continent. They are Tamils in their body and soul
and cherish the tamilness against so many odds in the distant lands.
They have a chance to share their sentiments sct.

My humble request if you feel soc.culture.indian is enough for you,
please do not vote against sct. 

If you want to discuss Tiruppavai, Nalayira Divya Prabandham or
Sujataha' novel right place is sct. If you want to, know how people worship in 
south africa singing the tamil verses vote for sct

Krishna Raj


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu (survivor)
Subject: Re: One less ignorant Indian girl
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:32:08 GMT

In article <kdvE4hW00WBMAAL2kt@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>Look here guys(or should I say gentlemen).
>
>I meant girls as in guys and girls. IN stead of supporting women(there I
>said it, happy?) when it comes to anal things like which words to use,
				   ^^^^

now ! were you referring to the much "maligned" (;-)), much referred_to 

aperture of our anatomy or you forgot the 'b' ? 



>maybe you should support women in the real issues. 


or was it all intentional ? ;-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: *info on iowa state university*
From: s0058@desire.wright.edu
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:51:11 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

hi

i am an undergraduate in mech engineering. i am planning to
transfer to iowa state university in fall 92. I would like to 
know how the school is, the accommodation situation off campus.
As far as i know it has about 300 indians, but how about the locals
are they o.k? How is the aeronautics department there? How is the climate 
in that area? Is it possible to get some information as how much
expenses apart from fees will come too. How is the on campus job
condition? 
Thanks.\

S. Deshpande
From: pandya@levers.dec.com (Atul Pandya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Wedding Melodies
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:49:17 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


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at the time of wedding. Those of you who are familiar with similar traditions
know what I am talking about.

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groom on a parchment paper in script. 

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             by the guests at the wedding (or at anniversary gathering)
             and is traditionally sung by the invitees.

             We, at Mangal Melodies write these special blessings
             in Gujarati and send you a beautiful handwritten
             parchment paper so that the couple can keep the memory
             of this occasion framed forever.

             For more information please call 617 235 7441 or write
             to us at Mangal Melodies, 5 Clifford St Wellesley MA 02181
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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		--or-- pandya%ranger.dec@decwrl.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: THAHARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Pyar Kiya To Darna Kyaa.
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 23:31:34 EDT

Much has been said on the net recently about arranged marriages, matrimonials,
etc.  The arranged marriage system has been attacked viciously, and has been
defended with equal zeal.  Yet, I haven't seen any posts about love marriages.
 
Someone said on the net that 99% of all desi marriages are arranged.  While
this may be true in India, I cannot believe that 99% of desis in the US are
going in for arranged mariages.  Particularly, among the academic/professional
people, I think the percentage must be much lower.
 
I myself married for love (Indian, different region and caste).  I know of a
great number of other people of my generation (25-35years) in my family/friends
who had love marriages, many of them outside the caste/religion/region of the
country.  Of the people who I went to college with in India, much more than 10%
went in for love marriages.  In this country, I have come across many desis
who have relationships, some leading to marriage, with non-Indians.
 
The danger and power of parental pressure are being exaggerated by too many
people.  In my experience, only a small fraction of love marriages meet with
such severe parental disapproval that relations with parents get spoilt.  This
happens more in the Indian movies (Khandaan ki izzat syndrome).  In real life,
parents may resist strongly for some time, but will come around and accept the
choice of the son or daughter eventually.  Ultimately, the bride (or groom)
is evaluated strictly on the basis of his/her personal nature, just like in
arranged marriages.
 
I personally have nothing against arranged marriages.  They actually seem to
be a rather efficient (if cold and calculating) way of finding life partners.
However, I would strongly recommend that if you ever find yourself falling in
love or getting very attracted to some person, then do not shirk from your
natural impulses out of fear.  In today's Indian society, you will not become
an outcaste just because you chose your own life partner (at least not among
the educated).  It is richly rewarding and gratifying to find someone who you
truly love and who is the right companion for you.  If you do find such a
person, consider yourself fortunate and marry that person.  Forget about the
difficulties, they are trivial compared to the benefits.
 
Harsh Thaker
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ram@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ram Devanathan)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Keywords: citizenship
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:12:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.200216.6306@watson.ibm.com> jitendra@kaiser.watson.ibm.com (Jitendra Telang) writes:
>I never understand why southies, (the ones I've met in this category 
> are usually from Madras) have such an attitude problem regarding 
> Hindi. First you have to accept
>the fact that Hindi is the national language of India. That itself is
                        ^^^
>sufficient for Indian government to assume that all INDIAns understand Hindi.
>Now it's individual's or rather individual states' responsibility to make sure
>that every (at least educated) person be tought Hindi in school so that he/she
>gets to understand our national language. Now if that's not the case, and if
>you don't understand Hindi, you shouldn't go barking about Indian TV or any 
>other media imposing Hindi programs on you instead of having the attitude to
>learn Hindi. As far as I know, in most of the schools in Maharashtra,
>Hindi is one of the compulsory subjects as a language and I strongly feel that
>it's a right thing. As an Indian I feel that I should at least know my
>country's national language.
>Jitendra

    Before accepting the 'fact' that Hindi is 'the' national language,
one has to understand the following:
India has several national languages. Hindi is one of them.
Each region of the country has a culture and language of its own.
It is not in the interests of the country to impose Hindi on those
who are not willing to learn the language.
Our country has been administered for a long time without a common
language being spoken throughout the country. Where is the need for
a common language now?
Most 'southies' speak atleast one national language (Tamil,Telugu,
MalayaLam, Kannada etc.)
R. Devanathan
From: govindaca@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:18:34 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

this is a test message
From: adaripa@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Arupratan Daripa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:15:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU


This is a test
From: hrp@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Travel by Gulf Air?
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:21:07 GMT

I would greatly appreciate if any of the netters can post their experiences
with Gulf Air to India. I will try to post a summary on the net. Thanks.

P
From: nmodi@blaze.rutgers.edu (Nirav Modi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: map-of-india.gif
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:48:55 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

There is gif viewer at several ftp sites for sunview. One  I know is
nic.funet.fi ,go to the pub/gif/... and you will get the thing that
you want. 

N.M.
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