HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Taiwan Olympic Results II
Date: 29 Jul 1992 07:53:02 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Olympics, results, taiwan


Results from Monday, 27 July


CYCLING  (Men's individual pursuit)
First Round

...
23.  Weng Yu-yi  time 5:00.519		(did not advance)
...


WEIGHTLIFTING
56 KG- Snatch

...
12.  Lin Tzu-yao  lifted 242lbs (110 kilos)
...

BASEBALL

defeated Puerto Rico 10-1, record now 2-1.


@#$&! local papers are only printing the top 15 or top 25 finishers, so 
there's probably more results that I missed. Gan!  Oh well, such is life...



<hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu>
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: AACI Glass Ceiling Survey
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:11:08 GMT
Organization: UB

Is there any possibility to post the result of the survey?

---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
From: George_Lin@mindlink.bc.ca (George Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: abortion, homosexuality vs. Christians (Was: Racial Prob
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:15:13 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

This thread is getting off topic.

It's time to move it or kill it.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: be honest and you might get some respect
Originator: shchen@c00009-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:17:04 GMT


|>
|>In article <l6r4p1INNo8p@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
|>>In article <76348@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:

|>>Oh, I forgot to remind you that Taiwan needs no secession.   Taiwan IS
|>>a de facto independent country already.
|>
|>Taiwan needs no secession from CCP, but TIers have to be separated from
|>Chinese people to be indepedent in your "Green Island". The US, Canada,
|>NZ, Austrilia, South Africa were not seceded from Britain. British did
|>not own those pieces of land, they invaded and occupied a while only.
|>Those countries were founded outside British home land.

China NEVER OWNED Taiwan either, but just made meaningless claims.
Hey, I could claim the moon belongs to me because it's close to Earth and 
I can see it from my house, but does that make it mine.

|>
|>You TIers are trying to steal property from home land that ROC owns.
                          ???????????????????????????????????????????

You're got to be kidding me, right?  No one can possibly be such a simpleton.

|>You TIers are trying to rename yourselves non-Chinese. You TIers are
|>trying to change race, language, writing, history, and government.

What's wrong with that?  Who wants to be a stinking Chinese all their lives.
I'm proud to proclaim myself as a TAIWANESE!!!! LONG LIVE TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Originator: shchen@c00000-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:04:49 GMT


In article <liang.711917444@ash.cs.scarolina.edu>, liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang) writes:
|>Xref: taco soc.culture.taiwan:27471 soc.culture.hongkong:23858 soc.culture.china:83077
|>hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao) writes:
|>
|>>In article <klp.711739653@tomalak> klp@doe.carleton.ca (Ka Lun Pang) writes:
|>>>In <YwQ--q+@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
|>>>
|>>>>>
|>>>>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
|>>>>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
|>>>             ^^^^^^^^^
|>
|>Because Chinese men don't have long dong silver. 
|>
|>>What Chen said is true as the cases I have seen.
|>>It's very easy to see a Chinese woman staying with an American man.
|>>Anyone knows why ? I'm curious. Ada ?!!
|>
|>Because Chinese pussies are clean.
          ?????????????????????????

I don't get this answer.

My theories are that -->

1.  Chinese woman likes to blow "The Big One".

2.  The generally oversexed American man will screw anything, anything that 
    movers, anything that still has a pulse.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11258 rec.sport.olympics:961
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Lost Taiwan from NBC
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:09:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul26.010642.26351@newstand.syr.edu> ttchen@top.cis.syr.edu (Tai-Tin Chen) writes:
>There will be something for someone when the 25th summer Olympic Games
>begin today in Barcelona, Spain. As one of the television viwers, I
>expect to see team Taiwan's appearance in the parade show. To my
>anguish, NBC have jumped ROC in Taiwan from the America T.V. viewers. 
>I wonder what kind of motivation NBC has, because of the pressure from
>Beijing or underestimating the competitive ability of Taiwan's
>representatives in the Olympic Games.

That's not it at all.  Some national teams are always skipped on 
American TV in the Opening Ceremony to make room for commercials.
I hate it, as does everyone else, but I assure you it isn't political.
Countries after the United States are always unlucky -- the network
lingers so long on the US team that they miss the next several teams.
This year, after the United States (Etats-Unis in the French language
they were alphabetized by), the next team they showed was France.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: HELLO People!  Let's cool off a bit.
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:24:36 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin


In article <1992Jul21.175213.20357@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> hwang@hermes.Berkeley.EDU (Kailan Hwang) writes:
>=
bbs>=So what citizenship does Dr. Chang hold now? As far as I know, in order
bbs>=to be granted the U.S. citizenship, one has to abandon any other 
bbs>=citizenships one may have. Naturalized U.S. citizens can't have dual
bbs>=citizenship.

>I guess you don't pay much attention to American contemporary.
>Your knowledge of US law is out of date.

No it isn't.  In the Supreme Court decision Afroyim v.  Rusk, the
court ruled that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution allowed an
American citizen can become a dual citizen provided that that other
country does require the U.S. citizen to renounce his American
citizenship.

HOWEVER, the Court ruled that the 14th amendment protection did not
apply to non-citizens, and hence Congress had the power to put any
conditions it wanted on people who wish to be naturalized as U.S.
citizens.  One of those conditions is that the person must renounce
his or her old citizenship.

So under U.S. law you can go from U.S. citizen to dual U.S. citizen,
but you cannot go from non-U.S. citizen to dual U.S. citizen.  (As to
whether you can go from non-U.S. citizen to U.S. citizen to dual U.S.
citizen, that's never been tested in Court so no one knows.)
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: People who pursue democracy and human rights.
Date: 20 Jul 92 15:32:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Jul14.171659.4342@news.media.mit.edu>, pan@dearth.media.mit.edu (Howard Pan) writes:
> In article <l5suebINNoqc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> lwei@lwei.Eng.Sun.COM (Liming  
> Wei) writes:
> > Included message from  stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin):
> > 
> > >In the coming decade, the south China will be a Taiwanese business
> > >territory. The coming century, China will be a Taiwanese governed
> > >China (just like the passing one was a Zhejiang-Shanghainese governed).
> > >Nomatter you like or not, it is coming true.
> > 
> > Don't be so sure. The Han Chinese has had a history to
> > naturalize other races. The same will happen to "Taiwanese" :-).
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Anyone who writes this has absolutely no knowledge of what they are  
> talking about. Most Taiwanese are Han Chinese. The only non-Han Chinese  
> Taiwanese are the aborignes.
> --
> 
>

There is a saying that the aborgines are related with the minorities
in south west China. As a report said one aborigine traveled to south
west China, he found out he can communicate basically with the local folks.
 
> =Howard Pan=
> MIT Media Laboratory	Internet: pan@athena.mit.edu
> 410 Memorial Dr. 		
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.japan
From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: Zen Story (7)
Originator: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:45:17 GMT





	One day, a devotee went visit monk Chao4-chow1(a zenism master,
	AD778 to AD 897, Tang2 dynesty). Becasue he didn't bring any 
	gifts along with him, so he felt so embarrassed and said to
	monk; "I am sorry, I didn't bring any gifts with me."

	"Then put it down." monk said.

	"But I told you that I don't have anything with me."

	"Then carry it" monk replied.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin)
Subject: What do Taiwanese People do for Fun???
Summary: fun
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:49:16 GMT
Keywords: fun

Hi, I am intrigued on what do Taiwanese people do for fun these days.  I was
born in Taipei, but I have not been back to Taiwan in about 16 years and I wish
to know more about how Taiwanese people relax as compared to American people.

Please post responses or email me....:)

Thanks in advance!!

-- 
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University of Illinois                        First Aid Instructor
Illini Emergency Medical Services             Community CPR Instructor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Taiwan prison inmates strike for right to smoke
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:56:29 GMT


From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.issues.civil_rights,clari.tw
|.health
Subject: Taiwan prison inmates strike for right to smoke
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 3:43:56 PDT

        Taipei, Taiwan (UPI) -- A day after Taiwan's Cabinet voted to continue
a ban on tobacco products in jails, prisons and re-education camps,
inmates in one prison staged a sit-down protest, Taipei's United Evening
News reported Friday.
...
...
From: ctt31684@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rent Dangaio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: More good news in Olympic events
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:11:06 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hey,	I've never thought of it this way... until during the women's
platform diving contest.  I was watching with a few friends (who happened
to be Americans), and it seemed likely that the Chinese girl 
is going to win a gold.  Everybody was for the American chick, but nobody
was for the Chinese team until I got pissed off and told them to
do so.  I was for both teams.
	I realized that "my" chances of winning is tripled.  I get joy of
watching the Americans or Chinese (ROC or PRC) win.
	Anyway, a Chinese won gold, forgot who had silver, an American won
bronze.  I didn't pay attention to their names since they all looked ugly
and we were getting ready to watch some japanese animations.

	BTW, which events are the ROC team participating (besides baseball).
I'm just curious since I don't really get into the Olympics all take much.

Thanks,


-Ching
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11190 talk.politics.china:293
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: We support Taiwan Independence
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:31:36 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <l6u6beINN45q@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>Hmmm ... not THE best option ....
>
>Does that mean that it is still an option ?   

One option in Mainland/Taiwan relations is for the people in
Zhongnanhai to find a witch doctor and have that witch doctor try to
mix a potion that would cause the sea to move and the Taiwan Straits
to disappear.

That's an option, because magic doesn't work too well in the field of
diplomacy.

Anything that one can think about is an option.  Some of these things
are stupid options, some of these things are smart options.  Force is
a particularly stupid option.

>I thought you don't like
>CCP.  How come you have exactly the same way of thinking of CCP ?

Well TI says that "big China" thinking makes all Chinese think like
the CCP.  And a lot of TI tries to prove this by taking statements of
pro-unification twisting them out of context, and saying "see Chinese
are BAD people."

For example, a person who wants to make me look bad could take what I
just said above and say "Joe Wang considers force an option in
Mainland/Taiwan relations."  Technically, that would be true (Voodoo
magic is also an option in Mainland/Taiwan relations), but to say
something like this would be to completely distort my beliefs.

That's why when someone says something, for example (99% of Taiwanese
support TI if there were no threat of an invasion) I'd like to see the
orginal source and talk to the person if possible to find out what
they really believe.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 13:53:33 CDT
From: <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Olympic Baseball Games (Was Re: Our Olympic Baseball Team vs US Te
  <1992Jul29.125520.2292% <1992Jul30.174925.5292@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
 <l7gbfqINN3tt@nunki.usc.edu>

In article <l7gbfqINN3tt@nunki.usc.edu>, mengweil@nunki.usc.edu (Meng-Wei Lin)
says:
>
>In article <1992Jul30.174925.5292@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
>>In English we have a special term to refer to getting all four types of hits n
>i
>>one game.  It is called "hitting for the cycle."  Does Chinese have an
>>equivalent term?  If so, please let me know what it is.
>>
>>Robert Sanders
>
>Maybe in Chinese we can call it "Da4 Man3 Guan4."
>
>Mengwei Lin

  No. "Da Man Guan" refers to "Grand Slam", which means a base-loaded
home run. "Hitting for the cycle" is used when a player hits a home run,
a triple, a double, and a single all in the same game.

  I don't think there is any Chinese phrase that can match that English
term.

                                   Jeffery Ju
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NBC......Gan!
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:00:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.f2kmk=m.kemnitz
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

The discussion of NBC coverage of the Olympic opening ceremonies and its
"relevance" to American discussions on present difficulties is a non-sequitor
and is irrelevant to SCT.  I will not reply any further on this topic.

However, for people concerned about coverage in Taiwan, the NBC telecast is
only shown on its stations in the US.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: xwang@ug.cs.dal.ca (Roland (Xinlei) Wang)
Subject: Re: NBC......Gan!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:51:43 GMT

In article <Bs0s9J.Bxz@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> kzumy@watnow.waterloo.edu (Kazuo Uezumi) writes:
>In article <f2kmk=m.kemnitz@netcom.com> kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz) writes:
>>
>>However, for people concerned about coverage in Taiwan, the NBC telecast is
>>only shown on its stations in the US.
>>
>	
>	You forgot that people from the civilized north america country,
>	Canada, are watching the same program as well.:-)
>
>
But, in Canada, you can watch CTV Olympic report instead of NBC. I watched
the opening cenemony on CTV and they did point out Chinese Taipei and explain
that Taipei means taiwan which is a part of China, I think they did well for 
this. 

Roland



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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NBC......Gan!
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:19:31 GMT

In article <uc=vHfkfp8@atlantis.psu.edu>, jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Chieh-Sheng Lee;;blue) writes:

> I waited two hours just for seeing the appearance of the athletes from
> "Chinese Taipei" in the opening ceremony of the Olympics, and finally

Was it really that long?

> it's "Swaziland". After the commercial, however, the camera switched
> to the Torch outside the stadium and what did I see next? "Tchekoslovakia"
> (Czechoslovakia).........

I tuned in at the time that i's appeared, so I didn't notice the
unfortunate disappearance of Chinese Taipei....
So, do we have any good teams that are capable of winning a metal???
Which teams DO WE HAVE anyway?

> I can't help but say: Gan, NBC! (If my memory serves me right, they

No no no no no...you've gotta say it all!  :-)

By the way, I thought that whole scene with the torch and the arrow
shot was magnificent.  Couldn't help wonder:  What would happen if
he have missed???  (hijo de muy grandisma...)


Brandon
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Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Unification
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:14:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.202009.24700@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.160111.11297@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>	...
>>	50% seems to be too high a rate to be real. Being a kid
>
>I quoted the figure from Shirley Sun, Nov 29, 1992
>"the mass media and languages."
>...
>--------
>After TTV started broadcast service in 1962,
>many Taiwanese-speaking performers joined the
>TV.  During prime time over half of the shows
>were in HoLo.  However, some WWII immigrants
>...

	I think this is a very bad `interpretation'. Having Taiwanese-speaking
	performers in a show and speaking some HoLo does not mean it is a show
	in HoLo.

	I have not doubt that dialects were/are suppressed to various degrees
	in TV. I only question the validity of more than 50% shows were in
	HoLo during the period before 1970 (even you have corrected to prime
	time only).

	BTW, you probably meant 1991 and not 1992 in the above.

Yung-Kao Hsu

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11382 soc.culture.hongkong:9362 soc.culture.china:21362
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:54:19 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens


In response to:
>>>>I don't like western women because they are too lazy.

bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>>>Now i know why there's so many "i can't find a girlfriend!" posts in
>>>scc......

In article <1992Jul29.174121.> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.150731.11665> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>>
>>Now, I don't recall anybody on scc said they could not find a girlfriend.
>>Maybe your ex's did, but not openly on scc. Offer your apologies please. 
>
>actually, you are right - i was confusing my newsgroups.  my apologies
>for an incorrect statement.

Guys listen, she is pretty cool.
 
>thus to address the first point:
>
>->>->I don't like western women because they are too lazy.
>
>being a western woman myself who is a software designer that works
>60+ hour weeks for fun, i'd be most interested in your reasoning behind
>your statement.

Now will you make it clear that it was not me who made that statement.
I disagree with the generalization of "western" women being lazy, and
in fact I think most housewives keep their house really clean; cleaner
than the Chinese counterpart. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Subject: Re: Taiwan's Olympic Medal?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:34:00 GMT

In article <5735@ucru2.ucr.edu>, chi@watnxt07.ucr.edu (Lung-chi Chuang) writes...
> 
>Questions:
> 
>	Is Taiwan going to take any medal this year?
> 
>	Back in 1984, Taiwan won a Gold Medal in weightlifting.  
>                                  -----------
>How about this?  Is that guy still around?

Wrong. It was a bronze medal. Taiwan never win a gold medal in formal events in 
the olympic histry.

This time  the baseball team has the hope of win the first gold medal for 
Taiwan, but they must defeat Cuba team.
> 
> 
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