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From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Re: HEALTH
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:05:32 GMT
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

In article <ARA.92Apr9110652@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
>I find it difficult, reading Jeff Cannon's remarks, to believe that he is
>not simply preying on the fears of cancer patients in order to sell them
>something.
>
>Even if one assumes that he is in earnest, it is still disturbing to read.
>It has the ring of someone who believes he can cure cancer with
>ideology.
>
>As I have pointed out on other occasions, never assume that you are
>too strung out to be useful to a parasite and never assume that someone
>else is too well off to be one.
>
Since I was diagnosed as having prostatic cancer, I've been besieged  by
well meaning friends and relatives, pushing the most astounding array of
nostrums and notions, from hyssop and tree bark tea to faith healers and
voodoo.  The hyssop and tree bark tea are probably harmless and might be
worth a try, and I do believe in positive thinking, which might let in
the faith healer (I'm not so sure about the voodoo), but I'm not giving
up the Lupron and Flutamide.   Not yet, anyway.  Oh, yes.  Laetrile.   I
hadn't heard of it in years, but apparently it's still around.

I'm willing to try any number of alternative treatments, but not any
whose proponents insist that I give up totally on conventional
medicine.

-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: Lung Cancer
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University and The Jewish Theological Seminary, New York
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr05.082559.668766@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green) writes:
>I just found out that my Mother has been diagnosed as having
>a tumor in her lung.  She will be scheduled for a biopsy.  I 
>understand that this will involve opening her up and taking
>out a small piece of the tumor and looking at it under a 
>microscope.  If it is cancer, they then take out what they
>feel they need to.  If anyone knows, 1) how often do these
>tumors turn out to be cancer, and 2) if it is cancer, what
>is the survival rate for lung cancer these days.

My mother was diagnosed with lung cancer over a year ago.  She had
coughing fits for several months before they discovered the tumor,
which did not show up in x-rays.  A short while after one lung was
removed at Sloan Kettering, they realized that they had made a mistake
and that she was at a later stage of cancer than they thought.  They
probably wouldn't have operated, had they known.  The cancer was in
one or two lymph nodes which they had removed.  She has tried a new
chemotherapy, but it didn't work.  She doesn't have a smoker's lung
cancer, and there are no conventional treatments which work with this
type.

She has been pursuing alternative and experimental treatments, and
many special people have come into our lives whom we would never have
met, were it not for the cancer.  She has now lived over a year longer
than the doctors predicted, and I think it is because of her
continuing hope and inner strength--her will to survive.  The cancer
had spread into her bones, and she was doing better than anyone had
expected.  But, only about a month ago, a tumor was just discovered on her
brainstem, and another on her skull.  She has just begun radiation
therapy to the head.  Unfortunately, she is much worse off than a
month ago, when she could walk, and she now can't move much at all,
and the left half of her body no longer feels normal to her.

Amazingly, she still has hope.  I think that the most important thing
is to have people around you all the time who care about you and give
you support.  This has certainly given me renewed faith in humanity.
Human contact is very important.

Give someone you love a hug.
Meir

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Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Welcome to alt.support.cancer (repost)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 22:20:41 GMT

In <1992Apr6.042449.4677@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> molin@crs.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
>I have a history of cancer on BOTH sides of my family tree.  Grandmother
>and Grandfather on boths sides succombed to it, so I presume there's
>a high probability of eventually experiencing what you are going thru.
>Your messages here are and will continue to be informative and I
>applaud your willingness to speak about it.  I can only imagine that
>this must be a hard thing to cope with, but that suppressing it is
>probably even harder.
>If I may ask (or if it is WORTH asking...):  What symptoms would one
>have to experience to come to the conclusion that going to a doctor
>is crucial?  Sorry if this sounds ignorant.  It IS, after all...
   If there is predisposition (my father, paternal uncles (2), maternal
   uncle), know the context, i.e. sarcoma, lymphoma, etc.  That should
   give some guidelines.  Examine lifestyle.  Smoking, heavy drinking
   and dietary habits all predispose to certain cancers.

   What I'm really saying is educate, educate, educate.  I have had
   bladder cancer twice.  Two habits I HAD which are highly suspect
   and known to precipitate bladder cancer, smoking and fairly heavy
   consumption of red wines.  After the second cysto, I quit smoking
   and cut way back on red wines.  That was in '86 and, although I
   am checked annually, no reoccurrance.  

   "Know thine enemy"

   -twink


>  molin@crs.cl.msu.edu
-- 
"Closets are for clothes" 
"Those who don't know are terminally stupid or virginally new"
"I should have known it was doomed.  I don't like tea."  -Tea for Two
L. D. Stratton   larry@bradley.edu   (309) 693-8500 when all else fails
From: chliu@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Charles Liu)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: encouraging experiences.
Keywords: Hope, Optimism, Fight.
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:36:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Arizona State University - Computer Science Dept
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     First  of  all,  let me express my sincere sympathy for those who fell
victim to this atrocious  disease.  I have not experienced it myself, and I
have not lost any family members  to the disease.  However, several members
of my family have had cancer of various  types  in  the past, and survived.
Now another close family member faces the possibility of cancer.

     I  have been reading some of the articles in this group, and  I  thank
each of you  who  shared  your life experiences and great losses.  My heart
goes out to you.  Since this  is  a  support group, it's good to share your
emotions and experiences with each other so that we might not feel so alone
in the fight against cancer.

     I have but one request.  Would some of you out there in net.land share
some stories of dramatic victory against this disease?  I KNOW people fight
and win against cancer!  Let's hear some of these stories so that those who
stare cancer in  the face now and in the future may keep their optimism and
hope alive.  Let's  make this group worthy of the name "support" by showing
that we care.  But most  importantly of all, if there is even the slightest
chance your win against cancer  may help someone else do the same, you have
an obligation, and should feel privileged, to do so.


--------------------------+------------------------------------------------
Charles Liu               |
Arizona State University  |    "Turn around and walk the razor's edge."
chliu@envmsa.eas.asu.edu  |                             - Neil Peart
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
From: ferwerda@clt.zko.dec.com (Paul Ferwerda)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Re: loss of friends
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:41:48 GMT
Reply-To: ferwerda@clt.zko.dec.com (Paul Ferwerda)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua, New Hampshire



In January of 1992 I discovered that I had testicular cancer.  My (3 years
old at the time) daughter actually helped me discover it when she threw
her head back while sitting on my lap.  That hurt in my nipple area.  After
this happened twice I investigated, found a lump in my testicle, read about
it at the library and turned myself in for treatment.  I had the testicle
removed and my blood tests were negative until late August.  I started
chemo in September and finished just before Thanksgiving.  At this point
I'm "in remission" and being tested every month. I go in Monday for my
next test.

I lost all my hair and had a much harder time dealing with it than I
expected.  We get together with three other couples from our church every
Friday night (we bring all the kids as well).  This particular Friday
night was the first time that anyone other than my family was going to
see me without my hair and I was feeling pretty bad about facing them.  We
got there late with everyone else in the livingroom.  I finally went in to
face them and get it over with.  All six of them had gone out and bought
those rubber "bald" masks for their heads, so all of them were "bald". They
had composed a special song for me, and gave me a special hat.  It was
pretty overwhelming in a good sense and pretty much removed any
self-consciousness I had.  I realized that the people who really care about
you don't care whether or not you have hair, and who cares what the people
who don't care about you think.

In my case I was fortunate that I got plenty of support from friends, both
at work, and at church.

--
---
Paul		loptsn::ferwerda
Gordon			or
Loptson		ferwerda@clt.zko.dec.com        
Ferwerda	Tel (603) 881 2221
From: verwaerde@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Bladder cancer
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:06:23 GMT

Can you write me how the Bladder cancer is trated in the USA ?

Thanks for your help

Philippe Verwaerde, PhD.
Rutgers University NJ, USA.
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VVK
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Phil.
From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Subject: Re: cervical cancer
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 02:15:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr10.221939.21747@decwrl.dec.com> shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell) writes:
>At least some insurance companies allow you to pick up your coverage
>yourself once your employer's obligation runs out, and then your new
>employer can pick it up.  I'm not sure, but I think there may even be
>a requirement that they *have* to allow you to do that.  ......
>

The law says that you must be offered the right to purchase health
coverage through your employer for 18 months after your employment ends.
The costs are higher than those your employer was paying.  In 1987, for
two of us, Kaiser was about $200 a month.

The problem though is that the new employer's insurance company may not
be willing to cover the (former) cancer patient at all.  Nobody could
tell me for sure what to expect when/if I changed employers and
insurance carriers. 

-- 
Ed Greenberg 		| Home: +1 408 283 0184 | edg@netcom.com
P. O. Box 28618		| Work: +1 408 764 5305 | DoD#: 0357
San Jose, CA  95159	| Fax:  +1 408 764 5003 | KM6CG (ex WB2GOH) 
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Subject: Fatigue and Resistance Years After Radation/chemo.  Sex related?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:44:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I've heard several women confirm the fatigue and lowered resistance
symptoms years after radiation and chemo, but no men. Is it possible
it's sex related?
-- 
Ed Greenberg 		| Home: +1 408 283 0184 | edg@netcom.com
P. O. Box 28618		| Work: +1 408 764 5305 | DoD#: 0357
San Jose, CA  95159	| Fax:  +1 408 764 5003 | KM6CG (ex WB2GOH)
From: cowpatti@netcom.com (Patricia Mae Anthony)
Subject: Re: Friends
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:36:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <167C89160.MAUKONEN@Yournode.Domain.Ext> MAUKONEN@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu writes:
>>
>>For me, putting yourself in the right place is the easy part.  The hard
>>part is how to go about telling someone "I like you.  I would like to
>>spend some time with you and be your friend."
>>
> This is true. Just letting it happen does not always work and somestimes
>the direct approach yelds unexpected or the opposite result. So WHAT DO
>you do ???

I tke it a small step at a time.  First of all I imagine myself telling
a person that I would like to get ot know, that I would like to get to
know them.  Then, I write down ALL the feelings that I feel when I
imagine that.  Once I know what the feelings are, I can trace them
deeper into their roots.  Sometimes it helps to "role play" this with a
trusted support-type friend, so that I can let the feelings out and get
support for htem.  I ususally hear myself saying "I am afraid to tell
them/ask them XYZ because I am afraid that __________."  There can be a
tapestry of feelings that come up, and I find that once I look at them
and find out where they are rooted, then I can see the other person in a
new light, without the projections from my own past hurts.  

There are times when I realize that the fear stems from picking the
wrong person to want to be friends with, meaning tha tMAYBE I was so
anxious or desperate to have a friend that I picked someone that might
not be safe, and then thre are times when the fear stems from inside me.
Sometimes it is a combination of the two.

It is the taking of the time to role-play it that gives me insight and
helps me resolve the fears so that I can make a good decision on what to
do next.

Patricia
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Xref: sparky alt.support:723 alt.business.multi-level:132
From: 2frkfloat@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support,alt.business.multi-level
Subject: <None> is HELP RUSSIAN STUDENT
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:41:07 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

The above message's subject is Help Russian Student.
Sergei.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 01:29:33 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Friends
Distribution: na
 <j=vjzda.cowpatti@netcom.com>

----------------------included text-----------------------------

In article <17947@oasys.dt.navy.mil> junod@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John Junod)
writes:
>In alt.support, joannee@sco.COM (Joanne Eglash) writes:
>>...how do I initiate friendships? Where can I go?
>
>1) Take a course  (Anything...local night stuff or a college)
>2) Volunteer (Teach someone to read, work with an Alumni club,
>3) Join a Club (Anything...workout, sailing, bicycling, .....)
>4) Church (Visit till you find one with people you would like to
>5) Have a party at your place
>6) I hear grocery stores and libraries afford meeting people but
>7) Join your local community theather group...if you don't want to
>8) Ask someone to lunch...  Remember, co workers do have friends

For me, putting yourself in the right place is the easy part.  The hard
part is how to go about telling someone "I like you.  I would like to
spend some time with you and be your friend."

Patricia

-----------------------end included text------------------------------

what works for me is (and it does NOT have 100% success, but then,
what does?) getting into a conversation with someone, and then saying,
"This is really interesting.  Would you like to go for coffee so we
can continue this?" and do so.  if you can't converse with someone,
then they aren't friendship material anyway.

this assumes, of course, that you aren't so infatuated with the
person that it is an effort not to babble uncontrollably in
their presence (i know more than a few women who have this effect
on me!).  for this, i think there are no cures, except asking teh
person out on a date, during whihc they fall in love with you too,
amd you live happily ever after, which of course doesn't CURE the
condition, but it makes it less pf a problem *smile*

                                          -ailsa
From: ws1d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Wendy Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: follow-up
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:49:37 GMT
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Today, 4/15 I just posted something, subject "friends". I immediately
regret posting it of course. When I'm feeling low, as I am now,
everthing looks bleak and I value nothing in my life. I remarked about
my exhasting search for friends and substance in life.  True, as I've
gotten older (I'm mid 30's now), it's been more difficult to make
friends, but overall, I'm dissatisfied with my life now in many
respects, and were I married or had a sleugh of friends, It would not
feel better. 

 When I'm less depressed, I can enjoy my own company better as well as
the company of others. I guess the accumulation of a lifelong history of
relationships (which is not to say friendships) working out, has left me
feeling bitter, and my physical depression has made it tougher to break
out of this bitterness. I don't always feel this bad and I don't feel as
doomed as I sound today.  At least I don't want to believe this, even if
it's the case.  

Thanks for listening. I do get a lot out of the b-boards and I'm glad to
have made many net acquaintences.  ie...please don't leave me, I need
friends bad and am not terminally a gloom wad.  :-) 

Regards and spring flowers,  (I love flowers)

Wendy
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell)
Subject: Prince of Tides
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:00:03 GMT

In response to Stormy:  yes, Prince of Tides is VERY disturbing!  And I haven't
seen the movie - I was disturbed, yet fascinated, by the book.  I have heard
that the movie is somewhat toned down from the book, but don't know that for
fact.  I found many parallels in the book to my own messed-up childhood.
It DID give me faith that I too can somehow find a way to deal with all that
happened to me.

Anyone else read the book?  How does it compare to the movie?
From: joannee@sco.COM (Joanne Eglash)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Friends
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 23:56:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


 I would like help in learning to make friends. I am new
to an area (since August). It seems as if "everyone already
knows everyone else" and hence have no desire to make new friends
...how do I initiate friendships? Where can I go? 

Ideas welcome!

Joanne
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline)
Subject: Re: What constitutes a best friend?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Yeah, *right* !
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:43 EST  

In article <P.wyvern.21@130.130.35.37>, sik@cs.uow.edu.au (Kravmann) writes...
>Fear 3: Emotions, since I'm a male, I find it hard to show emotions,
>        At times I want to, real bad, but I don't dare...

I think this is one of the worst things we've ever done to our society...
men are taught that emotions are "feminine" somehow, and therefore to be 
avoided at all costs.  This is frustrating for the men *and* the women who 
try to get them to be more emotional for them.

I don't know what to suggest to you.  I've never been a man.  I *have* 
suppressed my emotions (all of them) for a very long time because of 
childhood abuse.  

From that the only suggestion I can give you is pick one person at a time.  
Force yourself to open up emotionally, even a little at a time.  Tell them 
that something they did made you feel very special, or sad, or angry, 
whatever.  As you practice with one person, you can learn that emotions are 
ok, they're normal.  Slowly you can expand the circle of people that you 
can open up around.

-- Teresa

		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au (Stein, the 24hr man)
Subject: Re: follow-up
Sik-Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about!
Organization: Sik-SW, Dept-Comp-Sci, Uni-Of-W'gong, NSW 2500, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:52:19 +0800

In: alt.support,
    article <Qdv4_1C00iUy81o6A8@andrew.cmu.edu>,
        andrew.cmu.edu (Wendy Sherman) wrote:
>
>Regards and spring flowers,  (I love flowers)
>

If you e-mail me your address, I'll send you some flowers...

Promise... (Could take a couple of weeks, I'm going on holidays)...

I have lost a friend doing this before (was taken the wrong way)...

I have had a number of friends over the years, some real and some fake...

It's hard to tell them apart...

Maybe this is why I liked my daughters song...

I could relate to it, and I think it's the fake friends who lose, not me...

>Wendy

All the best,

 Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'When thou walkest through the fire, thou shall not be burned.' -Isaiah 43:2
'No matter where you go, there you are' - Buckaroo Banzai
From: MAUKONEN@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Friends
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:19:52 GMT
Organization: Your Organization

In article <j=vjzda.cowpatti@netcom.com>
cowpatti@netcom.com (Patricia Mae Anthony) writes:
 
>
>In article <17947@oasys.dt.navy.mil> junod@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John Junod) writes:
>>In alt.support, joannee@sco.COM (Joanne Eglash) writes:
>>>...how do I initiate friendships? Where can I go?
>>
>>1) Take a course  (Anything...local night stuff or a college)
>>2) Volunteer (Teach someone to read, work with an Alumni club,
>>3) Join a Club (Anything...workout, sailing, bicycling, .....)
>>4) Church (Visit till you find one with people you would like to
>>5) Have a party at your place
>>6) I hear grocery stores and libraries afford meeting people but
>>7) Join your local community theather group...if you don't want to
>>8) Ask someone to lunch...  Remember, co workers do have friends
>
>For me, putting yourself in the right place is the easy part.  The hard
>part is how to go about telling someone "I like you.  I would like to
>spend some time with you and be your friend."
>
 This is true. Just letting it happen does not always work and somestimes
the direct approach yelds unexpected or the opposite result. So WHAT DO
you do ???
 
Chris
 
>Patricia
>--
>
>@>-`,-->  @>-`,-->  @>-`,-->  @>-`,-->  @>-`,-->  @>-`,-->  @>-`,--> @>-`,-->
>          >_,<   Cuando te acuerdes de mi, hechate una copa a mi salud.
>          (oo)   Porque donde quiera que estes, vas a cabar llorando mares.
>  ,-------(._.)  Porque no vas a negar, que me llevas muy adentro.
> / |     ||      Y aunque lo quieras a no, sigo siendo tu tormento.
>*  ||W--'||      Que le vas a hacer, Corazon?  Que le vas a hacer, Corazon?
>   ~~    ~~      Si te estas muriendo por mi amor?  [Cuco Sanchez]
><--`,-<@  <--`,-<@  <--`,-<@  <--`,-<@  <--`, <@  <--`,-<@  <--`,-<@  <--`,-<@