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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: dry food,distilled water
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:48:44 GMT


One of my cats throws up alot but I think his problem is mostly
because he gets constipated and then throws up because he doesn't
feel good.  We have him on Metamucil for the constipation because
the high-fiber cat food didn't work for some reason (it was a 
while ago and I can't remember why), and he gets sick less than
he used to.  Its still pretty irritating, though.  The dogs love
to help clean it up (YUCK!).  This may not be the same problem,
but I'd be interested in anything which might keep him from 
throwing up (especially since our house is brand new -- we did
get stain resistant carpet, but who knows how long it will last!).

Jamie

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From: kgunn@emr1.emr.ca (Katherine Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: catflap troubles
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:19:10 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
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Kathi Eldridge (eldridge@tachyn.enet.dec.com) wrote:

: In article <7112@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, morphet@cguhpa.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Helen Morphet) writes:
: |>How do I prevent this without having to keep my cats inside all the time? I have heard about some 'selective' catflaps which only allow certain cats in, but how do they work, where could I get one from, and how much are they?

: 	electronically by sensing something on the cat's collar.  That would

The current issue of Cat Fancy magazine (USA) has some advertisments for 
these doors.  I didn't consider them expensive for the convenience they
would provide, so I guess it's all subjective   :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: Yes!  Situation Wonderful!
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:11:22 GMT


Well, I've moved.  Finally.  We closed yesterday, and started moving in.
Nermal and Feeper got moved after some of the furniture, simply because
taking things *out* of *their* home bothers them much more than putting things
*in*.  Moving actually caused something very positive right away.

[background history]
Nermal, my almost-2-year-old, used to be a massive lap cat.  She would move
from lap to lap to lap, entirely avoiding the floor if possible.  We decided 
to add another member to the family, and adopted Feeper.  Nermal seemed fine
for a while, and slowly just withdrew from people.  In the past two months 
or so it has gradually been getting better, but not by leaps and bounds.

15 minutes after getting into the new place, and smelling herself on the
furniture, she became the cat she was before Feeper came to the family. 
Today she's been sitting very close to me, petting herself with my elbow
regularly, and climbing on my lap for a petting session.  

I'm still a bit stunned from this turn-around.  I really wish I could
tune into what's going on in her head..

(And yes, do I admit that the only way I can remember my new phone number
is to look at their new pet tags.  *Sigh*)

--
Bronwyn J Scrutton                                          bron@iastate.edu
                    If it's not one thing, it's Bronwyn.
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Fungus Amoungus
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:22:06 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Thom Strohecker (cstss@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu) wrote:
: Help Please!!!!
:  	My Himmy has developed a fungal infection.  He is fighting the
: treatments which include daily baths and medication.  We had to shave
: him and now his hair is coming back a different color.  What is worse is
: that now one of my other cats and my dog now have the infection.  I am
: pulling my hair out with this.  He won't take his pills (when my husband
: can catch him to give them) he ends up foaming them out of his throat.
: Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


One of the things which may be causing the coat color change is the body
temp change caused by being naked and daily baths.  Color point cats
develop color on their extremities for this very reason.  The fur grows in
darker where the body temperature is lower.  This is why it takes a while
for kittens to develop the distinctive pattern.  If this is the cause, the
change shouldn't be permanent.

If the shampoo is iodine based, or is of another strongly colored base, it
could be staining the new growth.  Again, with time, this should just grow
out.
 
When you give him a bath, make sure that he has secure footing.  Sometimes
a towel will work, or a piece of window screening.  There is also a bath
bag available which allows the water and shampoo through, but not the
paws. :)

You might try coating the pills with butter to make them taste better and
slide down easier.  Or, if you vet says it's ok, grind the pill into a
fine powder and mix it with a small amount of canned food.  If you feed
canned food regularly, don't use the normal flavor.  That way, the food
won't taste off to the cat.  The medicine taste will be part of the new
flavor.

Hope some of this helps.
Karen
From: morin@noao.edu (Meg Morin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat static!
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:37:12 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson AZ

Humidity! Your new apartment may be more DRY than your last
apartment. I suggest you get a small cool-air humidifier (at
least if you can't afford a full-house one) that you can find
at any decent drug store, for $20-30. 

I got a humidifier to relieve my sinuses during the dry winter
months and found it also helps reduce the static. 

-- 
   The Seeker	| I once wanted to save the world ... 
morin@noao.edu	| now I just want to leave the room with some dignity.  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Fill Him Out Diet
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date:  6 Jan 1993 23:52 EST  

In article <95710007@misty.boeing.com>, karen@misty.boeing.com (Karen Robinson) writes...
>The name of the high-calorie diet supplement is Nurti-Cal, available from
>your vet.   Possibly also available from pet food stores.


Something else I just picked up at the vet (for an ailing ferret, but it's 
still appropriate to this group ... bear with me. ) is Felovite-II with 
Taurine. Apparently, Taurine has been recently discovered to be *lacking* 
in the diets of most cats... coincidentally, I have been reading that it's 
*very* necessary for ferrets too. Some happy coincidence for a change. 


Anyway, Felovite is the *cat* version of Canivite, which  itself is the canine-
specific version of Nutrical (not Nurtical as it was spelled above... that 
product is spelled Nerdie-cal and is for compuer-science students. :-))
*Any* of the above mentioned products will probably be sufficient. 


-- Stephen

{Experimental .sig # 30245/T}

Humans -- 

	Beings stupid enough to create their own monsters, and then 
	curse their luck when they run into them. 
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From: muaddib@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rob Dorfman)
Subject: I have a kitten names Sox.
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 03:49:35 GMT


One of my kittens is named "Sox".  He is a black cat with black Sox. :-)
I did not name my cat after the president's cat.  When I was a kid I wanted 
a black cat named Sox but my parents would not let me have a cat.  So my 
Sox is named after the Sox I wanted years ago.

Rob :-)


Rob Dorfman  (muaddib@d31mf0.stanford.edu  or  muaddib@star2.cm.utexas.edu)
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From: dvinette@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Diane Vinette)
Subject: Re: Cat likes dipping things in water
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:43:28 GMT

In article <CURT.93Jan7110700@vtucs.cc.vt.edu> curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes) writes:
>My friend has a cat (male, neutered, white 'Oliver') that just loves
>water.  He will put his paws in it, then walk all over you.  He takes
>all his toys, and bits of yarn, or anything, takes them to the
>kitchen, soaks them in the water dish, then drags them all over the
>house.  At first this behavior was cute, but it is getting annoying.
>
>Does anyone else have a cat that acts like this?  What do you 
>suggest we try?
>
>Curt

Yes.  My siamese cat (RIP) used to do this when she was younger.  She used
to especially like to take away any dirty socks from the laundy pile and
drop them is her water dish (I think she was trying to wash them).  She
did outgrow this silly habit though.
...Diane



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From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: A moral dilemma
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:52:56 GMT

In article <H.eg.Q0BNUyqHD8M@harvee.billerica.ma.us> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:
>
>>If I (and Webster's) understand the words correctly, it seems to me that  
>>it isn't necessary to neuter/spay strays. Sterilizing should suffice.

>popping the bits(testicles, ovaries, and whatevr the plural
>of uterus is) out is easier and faster than fiddling 
>around with tying teeny little tubes off without removing them.

In addition, if the ovaries/testicles aren't removed, hormone production
continues, and you get none of the side benefits that you do get with full
neutering/spaying. In particular, you and your female cat get none of the 
health/sanity benefits because she still goes into heat.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
From: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Timing
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:13:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu

In article <1993Jan11.065453.25421@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>> Siamese cats are not commonly available in shelters.
>
>We have them available for adoption here at Alameda Animal Shelter.
>On the east coast I've seen them at the Rockland County SPCA.  You
>don't need to bring more into the world to get one.
>
>-- Jon
>--
>Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  

Well that's certainly helpful to know (NOT!). I don't live anywhere
near you and I don't even know where Rockland County SPCA is. Further,
when I was looking for a Siamese cat, there were none in any of the
shelters in the area. Unless I'm missing something, I don't think
shelters can guarentee an endless supply of Siamese cats. I couldn't
even find one in the paper. Each time I answered an ad, the cats
were already sold. I looked for two months, when I finally found one
through a friend at work and had to pay $100. 

I'm all for pet population control and giving first priority to 
taking a kitten or cat from a shelter before buying one. I do have
one DSH that I saved from a shelter, and when I have more room, I'll
save a few more no matter what their breed. But cat lovers are entitled
to having a cat of a particular breed that they like. And I don't
particularly care if anyone thinks I shouldn't bring more Siamese
cats into the world. I will breed a Siamese cat in the future and
will find homes for the kittens or keep them myself. I also intend
to learn more about breeding and showing cats, and possibly invest
some money and time and breed Siamese cats. So unless you want
to criticize people for owning, breeding, and showing purebred
cats, I suggest you concentrate on people who wontonly, irresponsibly,
and uncontrollably breed non-purebred cats, which by the way I have
NEVER done!!!!!!

Mary
From: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Socks
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:30:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu

I need a few suggestions. I intend to go to the Inaugural
parade in D.C. I'd go no matter who is being inaugurated, even
if he were a dog owner. Anyhow, I want to make an impressive
sign to catch the TV camera's intention and would like to
say something about Socks. All I can think of is "We love
Socks". Any better ideas?

Mary
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: malwen@granta.demon.co.uk (Sheila)
Reply-To: malwen@granta.demon.co.uk
Subject: Organisation
X-Mailer: PCElm 3.01 (1.3 gt)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:54:58 +0000

I found a quote I liked in the US journal IEEE Spectrum, 
vol.29, no.10. Oct.1992. p.32 :-
  "Getting large numbers of people to do something
via the Internet is like herding cats."


__________________________________________
Malwen                             

..even snails get there in the end.
___________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rivkin@watson.bms.com (TERRI RIVKIN, TERRI RIVKIN)
Subject: Re: Cat likes dipping things in water
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:58:00 GMT

Yes, we have a female DLH named Princess who LOVES to put things in her water 
dish.  She is especially fond of stealing my pony tail holders (yes, another 
clepto kitty!) and putting them in the water dish.  Her brother, Arpeggio, 
doesn't seem to mind so we've never tried to stop her.  We just hang her 
"catch" out to dry, give it back to her to play with, and it eventually ends 
up back in the water dish.  Oh well.

Terri Rivkin
Bristol-Myers Squibb
Princeton, NJ
rivkin@bms.com

>Curt
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From: whitman@watson.bms.com (Debra Whitman)
Subject: dry food,distilled water
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:18:00 GMT

Can I ask why you give your cats distilled water as compared to city water?
Also what brand of cat food do you consider 'good' that you use?
I have two cats, however the one (named Opus) has a problem with throwing
up any food I give him.  Currently I have them on Iams canned food, which I 
have to admit I don't enjoy cleaning up.  If you or anybody has had this 
problem with their cats I'd appreciate an answer.  It doesn't seem as if he is 
scarfing all the time, and I've had every test done on him short of 
exploratory surgery.  Oh BTW, both of my cats are male and neutered.
Thanks.
Debbie
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cats and TV
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:53:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc

My cat does this too.  I was wondering if anyone else's cats did this. 
Hobbes is a good old DSH.  I don't think it has anything to do with the
breed of the cat.  I wonder if they can see clearly what is happening on
TV, or just see shadows?  Hobbes will sit on the ottoman in front of the TV
for quite while watching what is going on.

Nancy
Calvin & Hobbes
From: hack@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Elaine Hacklaender)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Timing
Keywords: Heat, vet, hell.
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:47:07 GMT
Reply-To: hack@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Elaine Hacklaender)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

In article <1993Jan5.170619.2292@mtu.edu> jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe
Lannom) writes:
>I can't believe it. 
> 
>I called the vet yesterday to make an appointment to get my cat fixed and was
told  
>that the earliest I could bring her in would be this Friday.  That was fine
with me.
> 
>Apparently someone told my cat about the call.  She went into heat last
night.
> 
>3 days of hell, and she'll probably be all done by the time I get her to the
vet.
>


When I had Miko fixed, I came really close to chickening out.  I know
everone thinks this about their cat, but Miko is absolutely beautiful,
and I felt deep pangs of guilt and regret about what I was about to 
do to her and about how there would never be another kitty like her,
and so on. 

I told the vet this when I brought her in and he explained to me
a) what going into heat would physically do to her,
b) what it would do to her behaviour, and 
c) how long it would last.

C decided it for me.  He told me that a female cat goes into heat
and stays that way until she mates.  he said that for a cat who
doesn't mate, the time in heat could last up to 6 months and then 
she could turn around and g right back into  heat again.  I'd never
heard that before but given that he has a degree and his own
practice, I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I went ahead and had the Meekster fixed and I don't regret it (much).



-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)
Subject: Change in diet
Summary: change in poop
Keywords: Whiskas, Science Diet, Alley Cat
Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:38:46 GMT

Hi!  I was wondering if any of you have come across this.  I don't 
know if this was posted before, but oh well. 8)

We finally ran out of Science Diet (we bought a huge bag) and in the 
interim (at least til one of us get around to lugging another big
bag of catfood home) been feeding them either Alley Cat or Whiskas.
Currently we are feeding them Whiskas.

Then time came to clean the litter :-p  I noticed that one of the cats
(we have two) has been pooping FAT piles of poop and was QUITE stinky
too compared to before.  So I figured that it was the change in catfood.

So, I guess my question is, who else here has experienced this?

Another thing, just how good or bad an idea is it to change catfoods 
every so often?  When I was at a pet show, a guy at the Iams stand said
that it wasnt really a good idea to change.  Any thoughts on the subject?

Thanks!

- Eva


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From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: DECLAWING?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:14:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

> In my area, animals who are allowed to roam freely
> rapidly become road pizza.

Right.  This is why I qualified my statement that
cats should be given sufficient time outdoors
*if practical*.

If it's not practical (i.e. safe) to let the cat out
a bunch then obviously don't do it.

In my opinion, if you are in a crowded high-traffic
area you ought to reconsider whether it is practical
to keep a cat in the first place -- unless you have
a specific, known-good-behavior, indoor cat in 
mind.  

If you live in a place where outdoor cats are not
safe, please don't commit to a new cat with unknown
behavior patterns on the assumption that it can
be made happy as a pure indoor cat.  Most cats are not
happy unless they go outside at least part of the
time.

Steve
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From: twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace)
Subject: Re: finicky cats
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:50:54 GMT

QUESTION: Is it true that if a cat cannot get the food it
insists on, that it will starve to death?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: maryd@venus.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mary K. Dichtl)
Subject: Re: Change in diet
Reply-To: maryd@venus.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mary K. Dichtl)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:32:23 GMT

In article <nlp-110193180311@192.156.173.150> nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch) writes:
>
>Now I have a question.  The other morning Calvin pooped on the bathroom rug
>(which isn't normal for him) and the stool had blood in it.  Of course I
>panicked!  The vet tested a stool sample that came up negative.  He said
>that sometimes cats get blood in their stools for no particular reason. 
>Has anyone else experieced this?  If so, did you ever find out the cause? 
>He hasn't pooped anywhere else besides the litterbox since then, and I
>haven't found anymore bloody poops.  His appetite seems fine, and he was
>wrestling enthusiastically with Hobbes when I left for work this am.


My kitty Sara has had blood in her stool off and on for over a year now.
She has been (and still is) the picture of health.  She's a small kitty -
only about 7-8 pounds.  When I first noticed the problem a year ago, I was 
really worried.  I had a stool sample tested, but it was negative.  (Since 
then I've learned that stool samples only really test for parasites, IF 
there are any in the stool at the time.)

The vet tried to suggest that my kitty needed lots of testing (including
a barium enema, OUCH!) which would cost lots of money and might not be 
conclusive.  I opted for the "wait-and-see" approach since I'm not real
fond of this vet.  Sara has had blood in her stool off-and-on for 
different periods of time since then.  It seemed to be the worst when I was
feeding more Science Diet Light (dry) than regular Science Diet (dry).  
Someone on the net suggested that the high "roughage/fiber" content might 
be what's irritating the bowel.  This is the suggestion that I decided to 
stick with since it made the most sense.  I decided to stop buying SD Light
even though my other two "heavy" cats could really use the diet food.

The bottom line for me is that blood in the stool once in a while is no
big deal.  Blood in the stool for a long period of time with no other
symptoms probably means kitty has a sensitive stomach.  But, as always,
if there ARE other symptoms, get the kitty to the vet ASAP.

Mary Dichtl
San Diego, CA
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From: "barry schiele" <barry.schiele@canrem.com>
Subject: what's a devon rex like?
Reply-To: "barry schiele" <barry.schiele@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:50:45 EST

Devon Rex cats are truly marvelous creatures. I have been breeding
devons for about 3 years now. They are extremely affectionate and love
to sit on your lap or suggle up in bed. The are easy to care for as
their very short curly coat is almost non-shedding. Just give them a
bath, towel dry and in 10 min they are ready to go. Some people with
alergies can tolerate the devon. They are a small bred of cat the
females range from 6-8 pounds and males 8-10 pounds. Your best bet would
be to attend a cat show in your area. You can find out about cat shows
by contacting your local cat association, pet store or vet. The cat
fancy magazine also lists cat shows in USA and CANADA. Hope this info is
of some help.
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