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From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Big rebel ships
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:19:41 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug30.094544.7660@ll.mit.edu>, shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
> 
> The big Imperial ships, on the other hand, do seem to serve some fighting
> functions (they shoot!). And this leads to another question, why did the
> Emperor order the Imperial fleet to stay out of the fighting in that battle?

	He was being very cocky, and wanted to deal with them himself, using
the DSII's main gun. I doubt if he wanted to risk hitting one of his own ships,
or damaging one with flying debris, if the capital ships mixed it up. After the
DSII wasted a couple of Mon Calamari cruisers, Ackbar ordered his large ships
into the Imperial formation, where they stood a better chance to survive.

Brandon Cope

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From: rutled@bnr.ca (Philip Rutledge)
Subject: Star Wars Cards
Reply-To: rutled@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:03:20 GMT

I am looking for a number of Star Wars trading cards to complete
my collection.  I also have a number to trade.  

If you have any of these trading cards please check out by posting
on rec.arts.sf.marketplace.

Thanks,
Phil

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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Star Wars script distribution: new info
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:12:22 GMT

A few months ago there was a raging debate over the legality and morality
of the free distribution of the Star Wars script over the network, and
this argument annoyed many people. I just made one phone call that caused
me to totally flip-flop on the issue, and I figure the information value
will outweigh the annoyance factor and so I will share it with the
network.

Let me first say that in the strictest legal sense, the scripts are
copyrighted material and therefore unauthorized duplication or
distribution of this material is illegal. Strictly speaking, it's that
simple.

However, we all know it's not really that simple, and that's where
personal morality comes in. My philosophy was that if it were possible
to purchase the object in question from an authorized source then I
would do so - this way the author gets his just rewards and I show
support for the things I like. I checked into purchasing _The Art of
XXXXX_ books since they contain the scripts for each movie, but these
books are out of print. There are smaller book versions of the movie
scripts but they are also out of print. Finally, I found that Script
City (213) 871-0707 sells all three movie scripts, and I purchased them
for a grand total of about $60. I then posted a message discouraging 
people from distributing the electronic version of the Star Wars 
script.

However, today I called Script City and talked to a manager to find out
if any of my money ever made it back to George Lucas or 20th Century-
Fox, and what do you think the answer was? NO! He said they only pay
royalties on a very few scripts and the Star Wars scripts are not among
them. The guy also said his company had been around for ten years and 
is well established, and in fact the movie studios even buy scripts 
from them from time to time. The guy admitted that in the strictest legal
sense the majority of his business was probably illegal, but that the
movie studios allow these script sellers to exist and never bother them.
Go figure.

Anyway, now I am totally flip-flopped on the issue of the electronic
scripts. I now believe that there is no authorized, in-print way to buy
the movie scripts, and in that vacuum anything goes. In fact, I will
volunteer to investigate the page scanning hardware and optical 
character recognition software available to the fee-paying students of 
my university and scan in the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the
Jedi scripts with all due speed. Give me a few weeks as I have no idea
how long this process will take.

Here's one tantalizing tidbit to tide you over: in the next to last draft
of Return of the Jedi, Lando died in the Death Star explosion along with
the Millennium Falcon! Note that this explains Han's cryptic remark
when he and Lando part that Han has a feeling like he'll never see his
ship again. Amazing!

						Greg Martin
						g-martin1@uiuc.edu
From: orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Wedge no spy and Blockade Runner
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:31:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Ok.  Flame all you want.  This is from memory from the movie.
But I seemed to remember tat Darth Vader KNEW about the blockade runner
that Leia was on in the beginning of the movie BECAUSE a transmission
was recorded from the Death Star to the vicinity of the Blockade Runner.
Therefore, how could there be a spy in the ship.  In fact, there seems
to me that there was no imperial spy but a Rebel spy that was in the
Death Star.  Please correct me if I am wrong immediately.
So, if this being the case, there could be no spy.  And good ol
Capt. Antilles who died in Vader's grasp, was not a spy therefore
good ol' Wedge... wasn't a spy.

And any spelling mistakes are to be ignored.  Thank you.

Peter
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:08:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.092918.18895@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>
>Is this thread on the new SW movie necessary? 

You started it, buddy...:)

>I mean that I'm against
>of most of you and we probably won't get any outside information about
>this thing - I assume that ILM has access to Internet but I don't
>think that someone from there will post an article 'hey we made the
>new Star Wars movie'. We see it next year if we get a new SW movie;
>if we get, I'll be $10 richer, and if we don't get, I'll lose $10.

Actually, we'll see later this year; if there's going to be a new movie,
you can bet Lucas will have trailers in the theaters by Christmas.  Unless
he's releasing it for _next_ Christmas, in which case we'll probably see
them in the spring of '93, but maybe sooner than that.  You can't tell
me Lucas won't at least _hype_ the damn thing for all it's worth; after
the media blitz of the first three movies, and the Indy flicks, it's a safe
bet he'd milk it for all it's worth in advertising and tie-ins.

>
>But I'm 99.9% sure that I'll get that $10.... :-)

Like I said, it's your money...:)

The Walrus

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: jorichar@ic.sunysb.edu (The Lurker)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Originator: jorichar@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:28:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.092918.18895@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>
>Is this thread on the new SW movie necessary? I mean that I'm against
>of most of you and we probably won't get any outside information about
>this thing - I assume that ILM has access to Internet but I don't
>think that someone from there will post an article 'hey we made the
>new Star Wars movie'. We see it next year if we get a new SW movie;
>if we get, I'll be $10 richer, and if we don't get, I'll lose $10.
>
>But I'm 99.9% sure that I'll get that $10.... :-)

Not from me. :)

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>tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?

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Subject: Emmies, Young Indy, and rumors in general
From: arang@desire.wright.edu
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:36:34 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Congratulations to George Lucas and The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles on
winning six Emmy Awards!

Here's to even more next year.


Now here's something for all of you crowing over a new Star Wars Movie.
I like hearing other people's ideas as much as the next person, but you people
create more rumors than the tabloids!!!  Several people have asked why
LucasArts would keep a new movie so secret...it seems they have forgotten what
happened in the past with missing scripts and everything else.  That aside,
there isn't even any direct proof that anything will be coming out.  Just
because several posters have received information (much of it contradictory I
might add) doesn't mean that something is going to happen.  LA might have to
spend so much time straightening out your false rumors that they won't have
time for any real PR.  (I'm a PR student so this is a reasonable gripe.  Before
you can put out positive PR about something you're doing, you first have to
clear up all existing misconceptions)  Someone mentioned something about ILM
being busy after T2 because they were working on something for "The Boss."  The
poster immediately thought of Star Wars.  While SW is a major accomplishment of
LA, it is in no way their ONLY product.  If you think LucasArts exists only
for SW, you're seriously mistaken.  Also, some people have even come out and
insulted George Lucas (you may not think you did, but it sure sounded that
way).  Just a note, if you want to stay on someone's good side, it's usually a
good idea not to insult them and isn't that all part of being a fan?

So here's my final point.  Let them do what they want to do and we'll all be
happy in the end.  Try to second guess them, and you'll only be disappointed.



Amy Rang 
Wright State University

"There are worlds out there where the sky is burning
 The sea's asleep and the rivers dream
 People made of smoke and cities made of song
 Somewhere there's danger
 Somewhere there's injustice
 Somewhere else the tea's getting cold
 Come on Ace, we've got work to do."
---Survival


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From: mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Melissa Mcguire)
Subject: Re: Empire - cut scenes?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  2 Sep 1992 16:26 EST  

In article <1992Aug31.180300.9733@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain) writes...


***stuff about the missing scenes deleted***


>>>>Shot of the Wampa dragging Luke accross the snow to his lair.
>>>>
>>
>>You know, I'm going to really, REALLY dread saying this, but ...
>>(smallest letters possible) I remember seeing that ...
> 
>You can see this in "SP-FX The making of The Empire Strikes Back" hosted by
>R2D2 and Mark Hammil.  It isn't actual 35mm movie footage, but sort of behind
>the scenes, behind the camera type footage.  Kinda what you might see in a
>documentry.  In one part, the actor in the Wompa suit stumbles and falls
>backward on either a dummy or a Luke stand-in.  All of this was presented in
>a light-hearted blooper style segment.
> 
>Glenn......

Hey, does anyone know how to get a hol of this documentary?  I remember 
seeing it back when it was on television, but my family didn't have a VCR 
then and I couldn't copy it for myself.  If anyone is in the Cleveland area 
and would be willing to make a complimentary copy of it for me, I'd supply 
the tape.  It]s for my personal viewing pleasure, and not to make a profit 
off of it, so I hope the copyright laws are in tact.  Please email me.

Thanks.

Melissa McGuire
mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 16:16:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug25.145403.17711@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:
>I don't know if anyone else has ever thought about this (you probably have,
>but what the hell it bugs me... :)), but I keep wondering about the bit in
>Star Wars where the death star is approaching the moon with the rebel base
>on it.
>
> 1. The death star can blow planets away
> 2. There is a planet between the death star and the moon
>
> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>    It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...

Yavin (the planet) appeared to be a gas giant. At least, its 4th
moon had significant gravity and a breathable atmosphere (if that
counts for anything in the SW universe). Even if the Death Star
can vaporize an Earth-size planet, it might have problems nuking
something 200-500 times as large.

Joshua
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From: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe )
Subject: Lava
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:06:45 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu


Many people have posted comments concerning the possibilty that our hero, 
Darth Vader fell into a pool of lava.  Ignoring the fact that someone might have
read this somewhere, lets look at this realistically.  If Vader fell into a 
pool of lava (a volcano even) and SOMEHOW managed to live it could only have 
been due to the force.  I find this very unlikely.  EVen though the force is
powerful, I don't think its THAT powerful. Maybe he could have used the force
to prevent himself from falling in but, that's irrelevant to this discussion.
Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
from falling down the shaft of the Death Star.  Seems kind of unlikely doesn't
it?  But then, many of you do seem to get a funny taste in your mouth when
talking about Return.

Jeff Kabbe
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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re:Expounding on (Collectables and Info (was: Stuff)
Originator: cmgeorg@c00552-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:13:12 GMT


>>Isn't it funny how the cards seem expensive even for a dime each?  Because
>>when
>>a baseball card just seems to skyrocket, the SW cards seem to just collect
>>dust.
>>I, like most people, collect the cards just to have them.  They will hardly go
>>up in value at all. Except maybe the C-3PO "penis card"  (#207- Green).
>>
>>Again this is of value only because of the hilarity of the whole thing.  And
>>its
>>limited availability.  (They fixed the handiwork immediately)
>>

>>Can you expound on this?  

The point I was trying to make in the post was that I'm tired of hearing
prople try to say that ANYTHING with SW on it is of value.  It's just not the
case.

What I meant by the "dime" remark was that people just don't pay big prices
for some SW items (cards, for example).  People pass up cards all the time
until they run across a whole boatload for a few bucks.  They just aren't as
sought after or valued as the toys are. Period. 

Cards for baseball have about the same equivalency as toys for SW.  Ever try
to sell, say, a Braves ink pen to a baseball collector?  He'd probably laugh
in your face.  (Now just watch there be a valuable ink pen to completely ruin
this analogy.  8-)  )

Catch my drift yet?

Chris Georgoulias
cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More Movies?
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:24:57 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <secfSby00awWM9xUUH@andrew.cmu.edu> Michael Raymond Cote <mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I read an interview with Lucas in a fairly recent issue of
>Remember, on the large scale, Star Wars: The Worldwide Multimedia
>Property has pretty much died for all except for us diehards,  and the
>movie will need to draw more than diehards to the theaters to earn it's
>bread and butter.    Most of the moviegoing public isn't awaiting new SW


	Are you kidding me?   Have you looked for Star Wars merchandise 
recently? Maybe you noticed best-selling novels? A very popular role playing 
game? Two new video games for the Nintendo and another new one for the
Super Nintendo?  The young-adults books? The fact that LucasFilm Games is
working on an X-Wing simulator?  How about those comic books that sold
so well that they had to print up second editions of the first few issues?
Star Wars is slowly, but surely, coming back into the mainstream..This is for
a reason...

>(were May '93 to be a release date)?  SW is first and foremost a
>moneymaking vehicle and not a work of art (at least to the company which
>invests money in it).

 	Don't forget how incredibly powerful and RICH Lucas is...Star Wars
is 'his baby,' I'm sure the new films (and there WILL be new films, assuming
he doesn't die, and even then they'd probably be released, just not as good)
will be done the way he wants.
From: watters@mendel.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Empire - cut scenes?
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:15:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug28.211536.12280
Organization: University of Washington

I don't kow if they were ever filmed, but I think there were originally
supposed to be quite a few scenes involving the Wampas.  I can check my
copy of the script, but I'm sure there was supposed to be an attack
on the base involving the wampas.

As I recall, the base was saved by Biggs ghost. ;)

mike

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From: boisvert@guardian.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Subject: Where can I get tapes of the Star Wars radio shows?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:22:33 GMT

	Does anyone know a mail order place that carries the Star Wars and 
Empire Strikes Back radio shows that were on National Public Radio (Did they
do one for RotJ?  I don't think they did).  Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.  Thanks.

--Brian R. Boisvert
boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu

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From: gt6543a@prism.gatech.EDU (Eric F. House )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Sith
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:43:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I don't remember where I have seen this, but Sith was supposed to be a mountain
where Anakin Skywalker was taken to be built into Darth Vader, and to 
recuperate.  I am sure my source for this was not one of the "canon" sources,
but it is something anyway.  From the way that it is stated "A Dark Lord of 
the Sith", I assume there are others, and Darth Vader just makes it to the top.


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Internet: eric@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:05:09 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Dark Empire #5

...just wanted to get a few things off my chest about the new issue....
1) Why, why, WHY are those "hunter-killer" things just big versions of the
   probe droid from ESB? My first thought, when I saw one of the hunter-killers
   with a full-sized starship in FRONT of it, was that someone had goofed on
   the art.  Then I realized that they were really SUPPOSED to be that huge.
   Now, WHY would the Empire build a huge thing like the HK in the shape of a
   probe droid? What are the ARMS for? What are the ANTENNAE for? I mean, in
   the environs of Byss, what's the use of an antenna the size of a small
   freighter? And, folks, is it conceivable for the Empire to even produce
   droids that big? A droid bigger than ten starships?
2) Ever since I first read about the "Master Control Signal", back in the early
   issues of DE, i've been groaning at the concept. We've seen a Death Star
   vulnerable to one well-aimed torpedo, another one that you could just fly
   into ( with a shield that you could destroy by blowing up a bunker guarded
   by a legion of the Emperor's finest idiots, and you could take care of the
   idiots with a bunch of teddy bears ) , and now THIS: all world devastators
   are controlled by a master signal, BEAMED THRU HYPERSPACE from Byss! WHY??
   Does the Empire WANT to lose???
3) This thing about Leia having another child seems to me like a ripoff of
   Zahn, with the Emperor's desire for the child a parallel of C'baoth's desire
   for the unborn twins. Not precisely, but you get my point.
4) I have a funny feeling that Boba Fett is going to pop up again in issue #6.
   It looks like the final battle is going to take place somewhere other than
   Byss, but after reading #4 I kind of thought that a piece of the Slave II
   with Fett IN it was going to end up on Byss somehow, after the security
   shield chopped fett's ship in half.
5) If the emperor could go into Luke, as he threatened to, then why didn't he?
   Presumably, there was a chance that Luke would destroy all the clone tanks
   (or are they Spaarti cylinders??) before the Emperor could revive....

- THARIZDUN
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Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
From: jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair)
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:17:41 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

  The Emperor had plenty of time on the way down to do something about his
plight, even while still in Vader's grasp.

   My impression is that the Emperor dies for the same reason in AMBER that
Corwin could beat Benedict once: the story called for the hero not be killed.
Thusly, the superior opponent makes a mistake that allows for his defeat that
would probably not ordinarily have happened.

   It would have taken the Emperor far less time and concentration to do
something like dissipate/deflect the energy around him (as VAder does to Han's
bolts). But he doesn't. Because the story calls for him to die so Luke can live 
and the Alliance can (effectively) win.

         -Jim