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From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:40:31 GMT

In article <1477@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>
>>Russia made it easier for us during the war, no doubt, but we might
>>have won with or without them, figuring in the power of the Atom. 
>
>Would you ? (I presume the USA). Remember that Germany had the most efficient
>army (10 million men ) in the world. If it was not for the ill advised conqu
>est of Russia, Germany would have easily rolled over the west. Remember also
>that the best scientists at the time were German or employed by the Berman.
>The man who provided the key for the A-Bomb was a German who conscience would
>not let him divulge it to Hitler and who Einstein enticed to America.....
>Without the foreign scientists, no way would America have created the Bomb.
>Many Germans I know openly disdain the rest of the world and point that they
>invented 70% of science. Open any science text book and check the surnmaes
>of the scientists and see for yourself.......

I know who those scientists were, vaguely. I know that they were
mostly foreign.

But that has no bearing on whether or not Russia helped us. If they
had stayed in Germany and made the bomb, Russia would have been
irrelevant - they would have been wiped out because Hitler would have
vaporized them.

But whoever they were and wherever they came from, they made the bomb
here, and if Germany was on their way across the sea towards us, it
would not have mattered except that we would have dropped more bombs.

The atom, not Russia, determined the war. If the weapon was not
invented, then perhaps Russia would have meant the different between
victory and defeat. 


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From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:40:32 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <1993Jan8.185433.26647@news2.cis.umn.edu> mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu (Malcolm D. "None of ya Bizness" Moore) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.154305.27862@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>$
>$Understanding? Who said I came here expecting understanding?? I came
>$here to serve NOTICE. 
>
>Serve notice to whom?  What you need to be servin is yourself a chair
>to sit your crusty ass down into.

No, YOU need to get it straight:

YOU weren't the one who got preached to. YOU weren't the one who was
pissed off when that woman snapped at my girlfriend and I. YOU weren't
the one who had more and more blacks coming at you, as a result. YOU
aren't the one facing the racial purity Nazi's. I, however, am. 

When you get into this position, then come back and tell me how
mean-spirited I was. 


>Like I said in my previous response to you (which you seemed to so
>easily slide over), nobody's trippin over the fact that you want to
>date non-sistas.  Personally, I'm like, if ya don't like who I'm
>datin, fuck you.  It's just how you're coming off is where the problem
>exists.

I have watched the way the people in this newsgroup come off regularly:
The topics "Who cares what whites think about racism" comes to mind in
describng just how open and tolerant certain people are, on this
newsgroup. 

Are you telling me that you're going to fault me for what is considered
business as usual in almost every other context? 

Puh-leez, and no more of this "go back to Africa" b.s. that has been
infesting my mailbox. 


>$I came here to let you in on a small clue: YOU AIN'T SO IN DEMAND THAT
>$YOU CAN INFLICT NASTY RACIAL PURIST ATTITUDES ON BLACK MEN AND THEY
>$HAVE TO SIT AROUND AND TAKE IT BECAUE YOU'RE BLACK. Some of us simply
>$tell you to bug off. Like I did. 
>$
>
>Okay, we get the point.  But you're so damn rude that you just get on
>people's bad side from the start.  And I thought I was bad!!  You take
>the cake, talkin that punk shit you're talkin.

Like I said, business as usual on s.c.a.a. 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:28:58 GMT

In article <1if5v0INNsn4@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.070606.26383@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>Don't overromanticize.  The Aztecs were amongst the bloodiest peoples
>>ever to walk the earth.  Two years before they ever saw a Spanish face,
>>there was a mass human sacrifice of captives of war, enough people
>>waiting on line to be executed by a high priest that the line stretched
>>for two miles.
>.
>Give me a break.  So Western Civilization saved these people?  

Didn't say that.  The Western Christians were equally capable of
cruelties.  I was responding to a poster that mentioned how perfect
the Indians were.  That's as much of a myth as the one about
Columbus being a great discoverer.

>This
>was a religious ceremony.  They believed blood kept them in harmony
>with the Universe. You want me to talk about Christ? the burnt
>offerings of the Israelites? 

Which burnt offerings of the Israelites consisted of human sacrifice?
I daresay the slaughtering of an ox is at a bit different level in the
moral hierarchy than the massacre of thousands of people.

>human sacrifice in the ancient European tradition?

Please clarify.

>Whereas the white guys shelled out 60 million souls in Africa for
>the slave trade and consigned almost that amount of Natives to
>oblivion in the Americas.

I'd like to see some documentation for the 60 million figure,
as that is a number larger than the population of Africa of the
time, as well as a number twice as large as the number of African-
Americans in the United States.  The slave trade was certainly
abhorrent, but Africans were complicit in it.  Instead of slaughtering
captives who lost wars in the time-honored tradition of humans
everywhere, African victors sold them to European slave traders.
It wasn't until later that the Europeans started cutting out the
middlemen.

Given that there weren't 60 million people in the Americas, and
that the vast majority of them died of diseases that they would
have died of had the Western Europeans been the most peaceful of
people, I suggest that the Europeans weren't quite as culpable
for the death of aboriginal American culture as you suggest.

>Then again, the Native Americans didn't use race as a criterion for
>killing...or would you care to document this one, too?

No, the Native Americans were equal opportunity killers.  Just ask
the Hurons, or any number of other tribes completely wiped out by
brethren aboriginal Americans.
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From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:20:59 GMT
Keywords: sfb

In article <1ilrv2INNekc@shelley.u.washington.edu> waveland@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman) writes:
>In article <C0KEwr.FHE@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu 
>      (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>
>>(yes there are still some racist assholes out
>>there that hate jews, but face it: the jews have made it. they control the
>>media/government)
>
>First, if "the jews" control the media, then why is it Xmas specials 
>that are replayed ad nauseum during December?  And if "the jews"
>control the government, why are there no more than a handful of Jewish 
>congresstypes and, as yet, no Jewish president?  
>
i'm certainly not going to say that jews are "in control" but i think its
a bit disingenuous for you to gainsay that jews don't have disproportionate
influence in this country.  for instance, why does the united states send
$3billion in aid to israel every year; more than any other country?  why
is it that israel is willing to persue its national interests inspite of
u.s. policy even though they depend upon the u.s. for large amounts of
foreign aid?  i think the answer is that the israelis depend upon a "jewish
lobby" in this country to persue its interests here - to make sure that
the bucks keep coming.

why do the pols seem willing to keep sending aid to israel?  because
groups associated with the "jewish lobby" [a loose term to be sure]
raise a lot of money for politicians.  in this country, if you've got
bucks behind you, it doesn't matter whether the politician is jewish
or not: you've got influence.


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From: valor@donner.cc.bellcore.com (crawford,quintal d)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:41:16 GMT
Summary: No, you were racist all along

qc
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: GET A GRIP Was:(Why we go for non-black women:-NOT!
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:31:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

One more thing just in case you couldn't tell from my previuos post,
when I read garbage like that so called post of yours it really pisses
me off to see a black man speak that way about black women. Remember
it was a black women that made you being born possible. So, think
about your response for a minute then get back to me.

I FEEL FOR YOU,

STORM

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:05:37 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide) wrote:
:
:Those children who got up to say "I am Malcolm X" weren't saying "I am or want 
:to be a guy who sinks into crime and vice and then joins a religious cult that 
:hates other people and then leaves the group and gets murdered" - in fact it's
:amazing that anyone would be shallow enough to get that message out of it. I 
:think that what they were saying is "I can be and intend to be the kind of person 
:who draws their dignity from within themselves, who can come to respect themselves
:and others no matter what happens to them, who can and will speak the truth as 
:they see it regardless of the cost."  If every gang member in every ghetto could stand
:up and believe himself or herself when he or she said "I am Malcolm X" - this country
:would shake to its foundations. 

Beautiful!

A.
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:43:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <38110@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David
A. Johns) writes:

>Does anyone else smell something fishy here?
>
>"Over 5.3 million" mortgage applications are somewhere between 100 and
>1000 times as many needed for a legitimate statistical sample.
>Considering that there would be considerable per-application expense,
>ranging from transcribing to computer processing, I can't imagine any
>government or private agency paying for millions of extra data sets
>that would have no discernible effect on the study's outcome.
>
>In fact, how long would it take for the average research mainframe to
>run a 40-way ANOVA  with 5.3 million subjects?
>
>Who would have access to all these applications in the first place?
>Also, is race routinely listed on applications?  Can you imagine the
>researchers making 5.3 million phone calls to determine the race of
>the applicants?
>

It is on every loan application.  If it is not filled out by the applicant the
loan officer is required to fill in the box based on appearance.  This
is common
and is used by the government to study if banks are discriminating or
not.

Banks *ARE* discriminating.   I won't even go into the problems I had getting
my house loan because an underwriter saw black on the loan and a credit report
30 days old and failed to look at more current data.  The only thing
wrong with 
my credit report was a high VISA balnced that had been paid off.  The
pay off
was in the supporting docs. that he refused to read.


>It all seems pretty far fetched.
>
>David

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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: The Simpsons and what you should know.
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:13:34 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1993Jan7.144156.4010@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> by glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu:

> >The simple explanation is that "The Simpsons" is drawn in the good old ROK
> >and this merely represents Korean cultural imperialism.... :)
> >
> >And if anybody believes this, I'm offering free rides in my "black (multi-
> >national) helicopter"(tm) along with copies of the "Protocols of the Elders of
> >Zion" autographed by Bo Gritz.... :)
> 
> It is quite unfortunate that you can only see the world in one perspective. So
> called reality, and not be able to interpret the subconscious.

I suppose that I could look at this in a way which would lend it credence, but
I neither do acid nor do I try to emulate the thought processes of Tom Metzger.


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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:12:25 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan8.155347.27087@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
valor@donner.cc.bellcore.com (crawford,quintal d) writes:
>Chad, how he chooses to spell _black_ is his (our) business.  Is it not
>relevant to you that he has that right? the right of self-expression.
>Stop living in the past--or wherever you *live*!
>Another thing:  For 400+ years, you people have tried to control our
>identity thru how we use language--your languages.  I personally like
>English because it has inherently the flexibility to grow and adapt
>to the speaker.  In this sense, IMHO, you disrespect both your European
>heritage and your American heritage. I bet you also object to Black Foots
>who call themselves Indians. The people to whom the loans are denied weren't
>discriminated against because of a missing _c_ on their applications--
>unless that _c_ stood for _caucasian_!

First, don't yell at me, I understand and speak English and personally, I tired
of white people defining me, An African-American, however they want to. First
it was nigger, then negro, then colored, and then black. Well, I chose to be
called an African-American, not you people! Didn't Ross Perot stuff his foot in
his mouth for that one? And listen African-American is English so what are you
talking about? Blak is not? But, Black is? Come better than that? Not too many
member of the Black Foot tribe would call themelves "indians", unless they too
were ignorant about themselves. The European heritage I have in me in not by
choice, but by the rape that European have done to my people. In fact, you
disrespect me, African-Americans, which is your heritage. All people come from
Africa, therefore all people have African roots. If you don't believe me, read
Newsweek, your highly acredited magazine.


                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie has passed
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:19:03 GMT

They mentioned it on the Tonight Show last night, too.
Then they let Branford make about a 15 second tribute to Diz on Manteca.
All this so Leno can do the lamest skit I ever saw, called Elvis Presly
vs. Amish Presly.
Then later on they have on Kenny G.

As I said in rec.music.bluenote, if this planet got nuked by some jazz
loving extra-terrestials, I wouldn't be sad.

Jeff
From: xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: What about non-black men for black?
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:38:51 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I am a brother from the continent, as curious as ever about all the
hullabaloo about brothers going for white girls. I'm wondering 
whether there is as much fuss about white boys dating black girls.
I also wonder why it (white boys dating black girls) does not 
occur with as much frequency as the opposite.

Forgive my ignorance if it annoys anyone. But in the short time I've
been here I've realized when it comes to race, Americans could also
be as ignorant as the sheep I once tended.

Kariuki Mukunya
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:32:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1993Jan3.033631.13774@samba.oit.unc.edu> Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

# I never thought that the entire study might be bogus rather than
# just its conclusions, but maybe it was.

It would certainly help if you'd identify this study rather than going
on about it as if it had been revealed to you in a dream.

David
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Re:
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:37:13 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <C0LynD.FCH@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>That it took Malcolm over 10 years to recognize that skin color is
>unrelated to the moral worth of an individual, and that the theology
>of the NOI is unreconstruced hucksterism, does not reflect well on his
>character. 
Personally, I think hero-worship of any kind is bad politics, since it
>tends to result in personality cults, a dependent relationship to
>messianic leaders, and the atrophy of real (as opposed to cliche'd)
>critical thinking.  All of which strike me as chronic problems in the
>black community.
>
>If 1/10th of all the energy that went into rhetorical posturing about
>Malcolm X's memory went into addressing the concrete problems of black
>america with a cold unsentimental eye, we'd all be better off.

Hero worship, who do you look up to? Your parents other people in your
community, who? No one, I guess right? Christ maybe? Who? So you have become to
the person who you are, entirely on your own, right? Let's be realistic, there
was a role model in your life, and to say there wasn't is a blatent lie. I
think your parents were your role models. If you didn't have parents, who then
would be your role model? Heroes are a major part of any community not just the
"black" community. Every studied, Pschology and heard the word Peers? Family?
Unit? Culture?
African-Americans have to deal with African-Americans first, so we can be
respected for who we are as people first and then we can talk business.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
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                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:50:49 GMT

In article <SHAW.93Jan4223234@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>
>His grasp of scientific method, and statistical analysis is shockingly poor
>-- in fact, as a fellow MIT alum, I would say *embarrassingly* poor.  He
>displays a rather vulgar, prejudiced, and astoundingly stubbornly ignorant
>view of African-Americans, Hispanics, and non-{Japanese/Chinese/Korean}
>Asian-Americans.  He has expressed opinions that members of those groups
>tend to be stupid, dirty, lazy, violent and have criminal leanings, and has
>blithely misinterpreted megabytes of data to support his beliefs.
>
i tend to agree.  i often find his arguements to be *terrible*; such that a
half-way reasoned response shoots them down.  i sometimes get the impression
that he bases part of his "defense" on the cache associated with having gone
to mit.  i find it rather embarrassing personally...

>He shows me the end of the road when the model minority myth is followed:
>aggravation of other minority groups, and a continuing second-class status,
>both externally, as well as internally, in one's beliefs about one's
>self-worth.
>
the odd thing is, i get the impression that a lot of asians are on that same
road, especially the japanese.  i'm not making an all-inclusive statement of
all asians but i sometimes get the impression that asians come this country
and try to prove to white people that they can be just as racist as they think
the white people are.  it comes across to me as a "the enemy of my enemy is my
friend"-based rationale to curry favor with white people who they fear would
otherwise be hostile to them directly.

it all seems pretty stupid to me, but it's a problem that i've noticed enough
in the way asians deal with black people that i presently don't go out of my
way to be friends with asians that i don't know; mainly because its just not
worth the hassle of dealing with the potential crap.  this was *definitely*
not the case in the past; when i went to mit some of my best friends *really*
were asians, mostly or chinese origin.  maybe, for this reason i'm less negative
of chinese people than i am of japanese, koreans, and vietnamese.

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