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Subject: Re: Rubber bands?
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:00:42 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Jul27.182809.13570@hubcap.clemson.edu>, sandi@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sandi Piazza) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.074039.3075@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.170415.8882@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>> Banding manes down to make them lie flat against the horses neck is a must
>>> at AQHA shows in halter and western events.  It is not required in the rules,
>>> but for appearances sake, you better do it, just as you wash and clip to
>>> look good in the ring.
>>> 
> 
> Help me on this one ... I'm having a really rough time visualizing how
> putting rubber bands on a (non-braided) mane makes it lie flat !!!!! Can
> anyone supply a description of the process?
>            Sandi
> 

It's hard to describe, it's some kind of mechanical thing that puts the
bands on.  They are very small bands, put on very small hanks of hair, and
right at the roots.  It's done at an angle so the the hair is pulled slightly
to the side. Anyway, it does keep the hair from standing up along the crest.

Sue
From: gale@chrysos.Eng.Sun.COM (Gale Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: yawning ?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 18:06:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: chrysos


my horse yawns too!  often while i'm untacking her and she's waiting for
her "cereal".  i've got a couple of hysterical pictures of her yawning
too, just to prove it!

gale snow
c'est jolie and jaseroque

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Subject: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:12:44 GMT

Hello,
	I am pretty new to this group and am an avid rider.
	I was wondering if anyone knew of horse farms in the
	New Jersey (Somerset/Morris County area) that rented horses
	without guides.  I have been away from my horse farm due to
	work here and am very anxiously looking for such a place.
	I have tried looking at many places, including asking the
	people at the US Equestrian headquarters in Bedminster, 
	but to no avail.  
	Any comments or tips appreciated!

Thanx
Omar Farooq

omar.farooq@att.com
From: paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: TB registry?
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:56:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hi all!

I'm about to buy my Very First Horse (after being involved with the 
critters for over 20 years, it's about time!).  Red (all the name he 
has right now) has "flunked out" as a school horse at Dartmouth's barn,
but shows a lot of promise (he just isn't very tolerent).  I've been
leasing him for a month, so I hope I know what I'm getting into...

Anyway, we _think_ he's about 15 years old, but don't know for sure.
He passed the vet exam with flying colors (surprised the vet, too!),
and I got my first clear look at his tatoo - seems he's a *registered*
TB.  It'd sure be nice to know exactly how old he is (and how much
he'd raced as a youngster, and what his breeding is (though until
cloning's perfected, poor ol' Red is at an evolutionary dead-end)) -
does anyone know the address of the TB breed registry, or where I
could find that information?


Thanks -

Pat 
(and soon-to-be Red Alert!)

--
Pat Wilson
Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on training
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:14:53 GMT

In article <DOCONNOR.92Jul23210553@hopi.sedona.intel.com> doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor) writes:
>
>sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>] In article <>, brett@brett.intel.com (Brett Branch) writes:
>] > Hi folks,
>] > 
>] > I've been around horses all my life, but find myself training a two-year-
>] > old Arab for the first time. [...] I tried, as the next step, to ride him
>] > around the arena without my wife in the center ...
>]
>] First of all, since you asked for it.... turn this baby out to pasture for at
>] least another year.  Arabs mature very slowly, their knees are still far from
>] closed, they are just NOT, *NOT* ready to ride at age two.
>
>I agree that a two-year-old Arab is best left another year, BUT,
>( and I know this isn't really what Sue meant to do ) I don't think
>turning the horse "out to pasture" is the best thing either, 
>depending on how you interpret that phrase.
>
>IMHO, a two-year-old should be frequently handled by people.
>This doesn't mean just lunging, either : a well-raised horse
>will also have been trained to stand for the vet, the ferrier,
>for washing, for sheath cleaning, for fly spray, all that stuff.
>
>Also, there's no harm I think in introducing a saddle ( with
>the stirrups removed, tied up or tied to each other by a cord
>under the belly perhaps ). But don't overwork the horse :
>beyond the stress a riders weight puts on the horse, if you
>overdevelop a young horses muscles they may be too strong
>for the skeletal system.
>
>It's no doubt difficult to have a full-height but not yet
>fully-developed horse and have the patience not to ride it.
>But, you can always spend time with the horse training it
>to do other things. There's counting, coming to a whistle,
>lying down on command, playing dead : all sorts of tricks
>to make your fellow horse servants ( I mean owners ) green
>with envy. And both you and the horse will get benefit from
>the experience that will come in useful when your schooling 
>the horse for dressage.
>
>Having said all that, is important that a youngster get out
>on the better part of an acre or more to kick about, preferably
>with other equids or goats or whatever. All work and no
>play makes for one sour horse. Let the kid be a kid.
>Most horse breeds hit their phyical peak ( comparable to
>the late teens or twenties for humans ) at 8 or so years
>of age, tho the larger breed do it later. They seem to
>mature temperamentally about the same time.
>
>Well, there's my two cents, worth what you paid for it :-)
>
>--
>Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com


Nicely put, Dennis!!  I agree.  Arabs are tough critters, but
any horse can break down with too much work at too young an
age.  Stay off the horse for at least another year.  By waiting
for a while, it will increase your chances of having a sound
horse for the next 20+ years.  

     Dorothy
From: clarefg@bestbet.Eng.Sun.COM (Clare Fleig Garry)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Home trials, (Was: Drugging horses for sale)
Date: 23 Jul 1992 16:34:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: clarefg@bestbet.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bestbet


In article <13429@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms) writes:
>Pam writes:
>"As for drugging, I have seen sedatives in catalogs that are organically 
>based and do not show up on any tests."
>
And Ruth Vale writes:
>For another argument against showing up for a trial viewing only
>by appointment, beware the "natural" sedative of fatigue.  Our
>Welsh Cob pony is away at school (pony club) because the owner was
>unable to manage the animal after she bought it.  Found out later
>that the pony had been ridden hard on a 2-hr. trail ride the
>morning of the buyer's visit and therefore proved to be sweet and
>quiet for the trial.  She bought the pony, thereby reducing the
>work load from a summer riding camp of several hours daily riding
>to an hour or less 2-3 times a week.  Even after several weeks of
>no work at all, to reduce her fitness level, the pony was an
>excitable handful.

>She's doing well at pony club with an intermediate/advanced rider
>but that isn't what the owner paid $2500 for.



Since I just bought my horse, these experiences are fresh in my mind. 
One point I insisted on was a "home trial" of Reggie before I bought
him.  The owners were willing to do this as was the owner of my second
choice horse.  I am curious what others on the net -- especially breeders --
think about a home trial.  Mine was for two weeks and we wrote up a very
specific contract before he left his original home.  

It took him a 
good week to really settle in and stop spooking at everything so it 
was during my second week that I got a real good feel for how he'll
work out.  So far, great!

Clare
From: sally@nevada.edu (SALLY PHARES)
Subject: need a friend
Followup-To: Pam's questions 
Originator: sally@helios.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:11:26 GMT

|>  Does any one out there know how donkeys and horses get along?
|> my neighbor just sold his horse and now my horse has lost it's only 
|> equine companion. I couldn't get another horse now , because my husband 
|> and I would not be able to ride both as much as we should.
|>  I would like to know more about a donkeys nature, and if anyone else 
|> has them with other horses. I have a mare so I would want to stick 
|> with a jenny. Do most donkeys or mules (i'm not clear as to what the 
|> difference is.) have a mean disposition? Do they require special care?
|> Also I would like to know the average price they sell for. Any 
|> information would be greatly appreciated.
|>  
|>                                             Thanx in advance,
|>                                                                        
|>                                                Pam
|> 
My riding instructor has been handling, training horses and riders for about
24 years.  During the last 3 years she has acquired 3 mules--Halfass Charlie,
Asstro and Jesse.  She's in the top 10, nationwide in Western Trail on an
Arab and has chosen to train these mules in the same direction.  She recently
placed in the top 5 at Mule Days in Baker, CA on Halfass Charlie.

They're always very friendly, seem to get along with all the horses at
the barn (16 of them), and are right down entertaining! Like others
have expressed, they're muchhhh smarter than the horses and you have to
be smarter in your training techniques.  She says they're also much
stronger.  She really doesn't have plans to train any more horses for
herself since she's hooked on these mules!

I would say, if you choose a mule or donkey as a friend and you know
something about the background, you will have made a good choice!

Sally A. Phares
sally@nevada.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike)
Subject: Re: Olympic cross-country
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:40:16 GMT

I'd like to thank everyone who replied to me about the time of the cross-
country coverage...I did manage to go through the first half of the tape
and find the coverage. Does anyone know who the broadcasters are who are
covering the equestrian events? They aren't doing much commenting on the
quality/history of the horses/riders...they could make the broadcast a 
little more interesting.

To followup on the discussion of using young horses in competition, I
found it amusing that the only horse to go through those straw holes was
a sixteen-year-old mare (I don't think I'd ever want to go through an
obstacle like that). They didn't say how long she'd been used as an eventing
horse, but I think she finished with a pretty good score (I don't remember
what team it was).

I'd also like to thank the people who sent me names for my Arabian foal
a few weeks ago. I like Ali Ro Bask, but my husband, who is fond of puns
and such, really liked Baskin Robyns, so I think that may end up being
his registered name. He is turning gray like his mother, though (sigh).
I guess I'll have to give up hope of getting anything but a gray foal
from this mare (she's had 4 now). But he seems to have her sweet
dispositions, as all her other foals have had.

Mary Ann Pike   (mapike@sei.cmu.edu)    and     Robyn, 14-year-old Arabain 
Software Engineering Institute                  and 1-month-old colt
Carnegie-Mellon University                      
Pittsburgh PA
From: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Susan Grocott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stifle Problem, please help!
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:29:28 GMT
Reply-To: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Sue Grocott)
Organization: AES Headquarters, Environment Canada, Toronto, Canada

In article <Jul19.180427.29391@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel) writes:
>
>Other items that might have caused this.  She wasn't worked regularly (only
>ever couple weeks) until I started leasing her in June.  I started out slow,
>but have been riding her 4 times a week or so now (though one of those is a
>usually a slow trail ride, or just longeing)
>
>Any suggestion out there if this is something serious?  If I should stop 
>riding her for a while?  If riding, but without real streneous work, is
>better?  Could it be something besides her stifle?  It seems joint related.
>Any help for Triscuit and I would be appreciated!!
>

Hmm - sounds kinda familiar to me :-)  I sent Jill a copy of the summary I
posted back in June about dislocated patella. I hope it gives her a few ideas.

While we're on the subject - a quick update on the progress we've made....
Still with his heels raised, the horse is going well, looking fitter and
still hasn't 'popped his stifle'.  At first he was a bit speculative, he'd
spook and then step timidly for a few steps, but was surprised to find his
leg still 'with' him :-)  Now he's getting quite bold and bratty (like his
old self) - tried to buck his part-boader off last night :-)
We're trying to get a little dressage work into his schedule, and so far he
is staying sound.  I make sure I warm him up with at least 10 minutes walk
and start with lateral work on a loose rein to encourage him to 'step under'
himself.  The key seems to be working him 6 days a week and getting him
turned out in a failry spacious and undulating paddock for most of the day.

Good luck to Jill, Thanks eveyone else for your help :-)

	Sue Grocott
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: Home trials, (Was: Drugging horses for sale)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:27:39 GMT

I had both of the horses I looked at (before I purchased the second) at
my boarding barn for trial for more than two weeks each.  During that
period I also had the pre-purchase exam done.

This is definitely the way to do it, if you can!  An owner that lets you
do this is clearly not deliberately hiding anything and you can get a
fair feel for the horse.

In each case, no contract about the trial conditions and responsibilities
was written up.  It was verbally understood that anything that happened
to the horse while I had her was my $$ responsibility, and anything
pre-existing was the owner's responsibility.

While I can understand many people feeling more comfortable with
a contract for the trial, in my case it just worked out that the horses
were local and my barn owner was known and trusted.   Somewhat amazingly,
we assumed we were all rational and not litigious, and it turned out to
be the case.

Kathy Wilber           att!mvp03!kw
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Advice needed on training
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:05:53 GMT
	<1992Jul23.184613.3072@desire.wright.edu>
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
In-reply-to: sbishop@desire.wright.edu's message of 23 Jul 92 23:46:13 GMT


sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
] In article <>, brett@brett.intel.com (Brett Branch) writes:
] > Hi folks,
] > 
] > I've been around horses all my life, but find myself training a two-year-
] > old Arab for the first time. [...] I tried, as the next step, to ride him
] > around the arena without my wife in the center ...
]
] First of all, since you asked for it.... turn this baby out to pasture for at
] least another year.  Arabs mature very slowly, their knees are still far from
] closed, they are just NOT, *NOT* ready to ride at age two.

I agree that a two-year-old Arab is best left another year, BUT,
( and I know this isn't really what Sue meant to do ) I don't think
turning the horse "out to pasture" is the best thing either, 
depending on how you interpret that phrase.

IMHO, a two-year-old should be frequently handled by people.
This doesn't mean just lunging, either : a well-raised horse
will also have been trained to stand for the vet, the ferrier,
for washing, for sheath cleaning, for fly spray, all that stuff.

Also, there's no harm I think in introducing a saddle ( with
the stirrups removed, tied up or tied to each other by a cord
under the belly perhaps ). But don't overwork the horse :
beyond the stress a riders weight puts on the horse, if you
overdevelop a young horses muscles they may be too strong
for the skeletal system.

It's no doubt difficult to have a full-height but not yet
fully-developed horse and have the patience not to ride it.
But, you can always spend time with the horse training it
to do other things. There's counting, coming to a whistle,
lying down on command, playing dead : all sorts of tricks
to make your fellow horse servants ( I mean owners ) green
with envy. And both you and the horse will get benefit from
the experience that will come in useful when your schooling 
the horse for dressage.

Having said all that, is important that a youngster get out
on the better part of an acre or more to kick about, preferably
with other equids or goats or whatever. All work and no
play makes for one sour horse. Let the kid be a kid.
Most horse breeds hit their phyical peak ( comparable to
the late teens or twenties for humans ) at 8 or so years
of age, tho the larger breed do it later. They seem to
mature temperamentally about the same time.

Well, there's my two cents, worth what you paid for it :-)

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: turner@reed.edu (In the blink of an eye)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Re :Experienced?  Maybe.
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:04:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul30.200423.12885
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <l7g5ucINNhe0@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> clarefg@bestbet.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>I have to agree with both Christine and Jennifer.  Alot of people (including
>me for many years) think they are experienced because they have ridden alot
>of seasoned, sensible horses at riding clubs and lessons.  Most of the
>time these horses will compensate for your minuses -- be it hands, seat,
>whatever -- and go along. 
>
>That's a completely different level of experience from being able to ride
>and handle a green or dififcult horse, and not just stay on, but work with 
>and improve the horse/rider combo. I really can speak from "experience" now 
>that I am training my very first green horse.  Boy am I learning -- and I've
>been riding for 20 years.

So where does that put someone (namely me) who's had less than one lesson
(it was sort of a half lesson.) but has been riding since I was about 3.
(I'm now 22, but haven't ridden much in about 10 years.)  But even now, I
have friends who trust me on their horses more than they trust anyone else,
and sometimes more than they trust themselves.  Unless the horse is an
absolute beast (and I do mean BEAST) I can usually control them with a
halter and lead rope (or light hackamore).  I'm most comfortable riding
bareback.  I was the first rider on one horses back (actually maybe two, but
I don't think the other one counts (a taxi horse in India).  He was my mares
colt, and my dad's future riding horse, but I was much lighter so I was his
first rider.  

But if someone asks me if I'm experienced...or a good rider?  What do I
say?  There's a lot of formal things I don't know.  (I finally learned how
to do forehand and haunch pivots just last year.)  But a horse running away
from me is not something I'm worried about (I do know how to stop a runaway,
or have managed to in the past).  A horse jumping sideways is also something
I'm not worried about, I stay on.  

Why am I posting this?  Mostly just frustrated that I can't ride right now.
And frustrated at people who assume it takes a certain something (lessons,
guiding, training a green horse, etc) to make someone an experienced rider.
For some it happens really quickly, and for some it seems it never happens
no matter how much they've done of any or all of them.

	Johanna
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Riding Stables
From: <KROBIN@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 08:42:18 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I haven't been to a riding stable since I was a teenager, and only twice
in my life, so I don't have a related experience on this subject, but...
I would think that a riding stable has a lot of overhead and troubles
for the money it earns.  I think if I ran a boarding stable I'd want to
see to it that my guides were always pleasant, informative, caring people
who could feel sorry for those people who want desperately to be a rider
(and aren't) as well as be understanding of those people who ARE riders,
so that both types would want to come back, and bring their friends.
 
I hope, when you run into these types of people in someone else's employ
you do the owner a favor and complain loud, loud, loud.  We need the riding
stable to not disappear from the face of the earth.  I'd start one but I
don't want the hassle and unless I'm missing something, I can't see how
you'd make much money.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: Home trials, (Was: Drugging horses for sale)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:55:54 GMT

>Since I just bought my horse, these experiences are fresh in my mind. 
>One point I insisted on was a "home trial" of Reggie before I bought
>him.  The owners were willing to do this as was the owner of my second
>choice horse.  I am curious what others on the net -- especially breeders --
>think about a home trial.  Mine was for two weeks and we wrote up a very
>specific contract before he left his original home.  
>
>It took him a 
>good week to really settle in and stop spooking at everything so it 
>was during my second week that I got a real good feel for how he'll
>work out.  So far, great!
>
>Clare 
>

  I almost pucrchases a gelding a few mos. back. The first visit I
fell in love at first site. He seemed like the perfect horse and
listened very well. He was 7 yrs. old and was raised from birth and
rode by one person only. The trainer said that we could take him home
for a 1 week trial. It took the horse a couple days to settle. At
first he listened very well. A few days later he started bucking when
ever I asked him to trot. I recieved a very ugly bruise on my leg and
was not able to ride the rest of the trial period. I then asked a good
friend that has had years experience in horses to come and check him
out. The horse acted the same when my friend tried to get him to trot.
He also pointed out an old deep scar that was on the horses heal that
I had not seen earlier and that had me doubting the purchase. I could
only figure that this horse knew who his owner was and was not going
to cooperate with anyone else. However when the owner came to take him
back I offered to pay for the gas and what ever delivery charges.

  It's always best to keep in mind that it takes a lot of time , money
and effort for the breeder to lend their horse for try-outs, also
don't forget the money spent on advertizing. However I was much
appreciative of the opportunity to have the trial period and would not
have realy known if this was the horse for me without it.


                                       Pam Blythe

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