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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:00:27 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <73218@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
(George Dalton Madison) writes:

Well, George, I've stayed out of it as long as I could, but
you've finally hit the button.  I sincerely believe you are
missing a couple relevant points in this exchange with and
about Arne.

I'm sure you have your own ideas about when enough is
enough, but it *has* been a lot of postings all on the one
topic.  It's looking for all the world like a contest to have
the last word.

>I'll try again: ALL GAY MEN ARE NOT ACID-TONGUED QUEENS WHO
>LIVE TO EXCORIATE OTHERS.

Are you in possession of yourself?  If so, why are you
shouting?  (I believe you must mean "Not all gay men are,
rather than "All gay men are not," by the way.) 

But the point here is, you're being more than a little
acid-tongued yourself, and you've consistently excoriated
Arne for some little time.  There can hardly be a sentient
soul in these quarters who doesn't know of your contempt.
Why, then, is it necessary to say it again?

Here's the button:

>Here we go again -- all gay men are *not* "queens." I'm not
>one.

(Same meta on "not all are" vs "all are not.")

I would like to know how you define "queen" such that you
are not one.  I would like you to be very specific about
this, and include reliable guides for a taxonomy that
divides the universe of gay men into queens and not-queens.
I would like you to assign the following persons to the
appropriate category, as you define it:

Arne Arneson
Joe Francis
Steve Dyer
Greg Parkinson
Ken Dykes
Paul Asente
Owen Rowley
Howard Faye
Nelson Minar
John Dorrance
me
plus anyone else you care to choose

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:41:34 GMT
Organization: (getting there)



roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
  >>called out by a teenager in a group of about three,
  >>as I left work at dusk:
  >>"Ew, queer, eating a banana."

  >>Well, yes, I was eating a banana.
  >>But how did he *know*?

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
 >Lips.  You can always tell by the banana-eater's lips.

Women too?
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: babyd@protein.uh.edu (baby djojonegoro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: read "AfterShocks"
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:36:52 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: protein.bchs.uh.edu

This goes out to the ladies, and just about anybody who loves good lesbian  
fiction.
"AfterShocks", by Jess Wells, is a very well-written fiction about the  
aftermath of a 8.0 quake in SF.  Faced with the destruction of the material  
order of their lives, the characters in this book basically have to re-evaluate  
their lives.  The central plot revolves around Trout and Patricia, and how they  
try to sort through the chaos to save their relationship.
I first read this book through about a couple of weeks ago, but I find myself  
picking it up, selecting a random page and rereading it from time to time.  The  
excellent writing makes the book a joy to read and the characters utterly  
believable. This is the best lesbian fiction I've read so far, so I just have  
to share it with you all, and hope that you enjoy it too.

Baby D.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:30:55 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

*X*:

>(next, you might point out the *JASON* *PRIESTLEY* lives in
>Los Angeles - but that would *really* be going lower than a 
>Squirrel's tail on an interstate...) 

You must have found those glass shards I put in your kitty litter.

Speaking of interstates (and not related at all to the above thread
but I feel compelled to mention it because it is, well, so _mean_):
One of my favorite games is to fly over Interstate 5 between SF and
LA.  It's well known that the CHP uses single engine aircraft for
speed law enforcement; I just drop the flaps, fly about 800' AGL at
55KIAS (about 65MPH) and watch the cars back up behind my shadow.
It's so deliciously *EVIL* and *WICKED*.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Unvarying standards of male unattractiveness
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:09:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.141735.4227@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
> 
> Oscar
> Wilde took another tack in his "The Truth of Masks" in which people
> can act most naturally under the cover of anonymity or the deceit of a
> 'mask' which protects.

What I find most attractive about Disneyland is not the rides, or the
entrails of American culture laid bare before the world, but the wonderful
anonymity afforded by the Mickey Mouse and Pluto costumes, to name a few.
What a nice feeling to think that, disguised as a lovable cartoon
character, you can practically do *anything* and people would think
it was cute. A secret fantasy of mine has been to run down a crowded 
street in San Francisco--or better still, London--shouting obscenities,
dressed as Mickey Mouse. What a beautiful mindfuck that would be.
Or somehow to persuade a jury to dress up as an array of Disney
characters, and pronounce Caspar Weinberger as...guilty!

Is there a shrink in the house?


--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:51:32 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>	If Dan Quayle was gay, would he be a Twinkie? He has good
>looks, but he is rather short of brains. Consider the numerous gaffes

Must one be "short of brains" to be a twink?  If so, the generalization
would be as accurate as stating that all bears are humourless and smoke
cigars (to borrow from another thread).
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The GLBO-Centered Film List
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:13:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Here (in a separate post) is the January 1993 edition of the
GLBO-Centered Film List.  I just didn't get the time to add
running times and directors' names like I'd hoped, and the way
my life is shaping up, that may not happen for some time to
come.  Still, it's a decent reference for titles and plots of
all the movies I've heard of featuring us GLBO-type folk, so
spread it around and enjoy!

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:42:28 GMT

What's that address? I think I want a copy for myself, directly from
them. I think we all could benefit from a copy or two; heck, I'm sure
our friends would all appreciate copies, as well.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Seid umschlungen, Millionen.  Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt!
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:48:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan11.224855.17226
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan11.211942.2147@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.144709.29450@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>> the profanity is incidental (akin to the occasional profanity found
>> here)
>
>What the fuck are you talking about?

Did hell freeze over when I wasn't looking?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:38:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>>toward homosexuality while the scream therapies seem to make 
>>those urges go away for ever.

The only 'therapy' I've found to relieve my 'homosexuals urges' is
sex, but that only works for about 15 minutes before the urges return.

-Ric
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rings (was Re: Wedding bands)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:18:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan11.212722.2422@osf.org> <1993Jan12.104507.4928@reed.edu>
  <1993Jan13.092835.508@otago.ac.nz>

Roger Grauwmeijer writes:
>Nelson Minar writes:
>> I wish ever gay man just wore a big sign that said "I'm a fag".
>In glorious pink neon!

With tasteful lavender accents.  ;-)

 
() The Vice Presidency is sort of like the last cookie on
() the plate. Everybody insists he won't take it, but
() somebody always does.
()      -- Bill Vaughan
-----
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Any Gays in Half Moon Bay?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:19:49 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Hi,
I am considering a move to Half Moon Bay, and
would like to find out if any other Lesbians
and Gay men live in the area. Can you share
your experiences with me? 

Are your neighbors friendly? Are there gay pockets
in any district? What part of Half Moon Bay
do you live in? (Montara,Moss Beach, El Granada?)

Whats the weather like in your area?

I would like to find what it is like to
commute from that area.

Does anyone commute from the Half Moon Bay Area
(Montara especially) to San Francisco? How
long does it take you?
Are there van pools available? Where do they
begin and end?

What route has worked best for you? I know one can take
highway 92, but there looks like there is another
route available exiting at Pacifica.

Thank-you for sharing your experiences with me.
Please email to me directly at

viviana@tamri.com

Thanks!
Vivian

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:52:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.050027.12385@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess 
Anderson) writes:

>I would like to know how you define "queen" such that you
>are not one.  I would like you to be very specific about
>this, and include reliable guides for a taxonomy that
>divides the universe of gay men into queens and not-queens.

That wasn't directed to me, but first approximation would be:

a) Has a sense of humor which is at least occasionally obvious to the
   outside observer.

2) Considers himself to be a suitable object for humor.

3) Can blend into several social milieu; this involves a certain amount
   of acting.

4) Dresses up for fun and entertainment.  By dressing up, I mean wearing 
   clothing which goes beyond the merely functional and is designed to 
   encourage certain preconceptions on the part of the viewer.  For
   example: standard drag queen dress; cowboy boots, hats, shirt, etc. on
   someone who isn't in temporal proximity to riding a horse; ditto for
   leather and proximity to a motorcycle; bicycle shorts worn to the 
   opera; business suits at The Eagle on Sunday afternoon.

>I would like you to assign the following persons to the
>appropriate category, as you define it:
>
>Arne Arneson
>Joe Francis
>Steve Dyer
>Greg Parkinson
>Ken Dykes
>Paul Asente
>Owen Rowley
>Howard Faye
>Nelson Minar
>John Dorrance
>me [Jess Anderson]
>plus anyone else you care to choose

Of the ones I've met, all of them can be, except maybe Steve Dyer.  Steve 
loses on #4.  Somehow, my mind's eye can't see him in a dress OR a cowboy 
drag.  I lose out on the same count, by the way. 

Of the ones I haven't met (Greg, Ken, Nelson, John), all of them could be
except maybe Ken. 

George doesn't qualify as a queen, even though he certainly fulfills
criterion #4.  I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide which
of #'s 1, 2, and 3 he doesn't fit. 

-----

#
#  i think the people who write "no queens" in their ads are really saying
#  that their home isn't big enough for more than one queen.
#
#                    henry mensch 


 
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From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Poll Shows Support for "Children of the Rainbow"
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:50:57 GMT
Organization: New York University

(Now that I've learned that Santa didn't bring Rod Williams a scanner for 
Christmas, I've decided to give his fingers a rest for one day)

The following story appeared in today's (1/8/93) New York Times:


  POLL FINDS SUPPORT FOR BROAD TEACHING ON SOCIAL AGENDA
       
       by Josh Barbanel

Most New Yorkers support the introduction of a broad social agenda in 
public schools -- from education on sex and AIDS to the distribution of
condoms in school to discussion of gay and lesbian families, according 
to a poll released yesterday.
But the poll, conducted by LH Research for New York 1, a cable television
news station, found that New Yorkers were far more divided in views of 
the Schools Chancellor, Joseph A. Fernandez, who has been leading the effort 
to change the school curriculum.
The results suggest that Mr. Fernandez, who is regarded as somewhat 
abrasive by even his supporters on the Board of Education, has more
problems with style -- how he shapes and communicates his message -- 
than what he has to say.
AIDS education in the schools had the broadest support, with 94 percent
of those polled in favor.  Two of five respondents favored beginning 
AIDS education in the fourth grade or earlier.
Teaching about gay and lesbian families was supported by 72 percent.
Sex education was supported by 67 percent.  The distribution of condoms
as a way of preventing the spread of AIDS had the backing of 65 percent.
But when asked to rate Mr. Fernandez's performance in office, those
polled were split, with 46 percent approving and 49 percent disapproving.
The poll documents at least one way in which Mr. Fernandez has had 
trouble communicating his message.  For months he has been caught up 
in a dispute over a first grade curriculum, "Children of the Rainbow,"
that captured the public's attention with its call for teaching about 
gay and lesbian families as a way of promoting tolerance for all.
In the fact of the public outcry, Mr. Fernandez has backtracked, 
insisting only that school districts address the issue in the fifth 
or sixth grade.  But the poll showed that only 8 percent of those polled and 
5 percent of parents favored broaching the subject in first grade, as 
Mr. Fernandez first proposed.  A majority of parents and others favored
raising the issue only after the seventh grade.
The telephone poll of 800 adults in New York City was conducted 
December 26-29 and had a margin of sampling error of plus or  minus 4
percentage points. 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: What to do for NEW YEAR'S EVE in Los Angeles?
Summary: objection
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:44:10 GMT

In article <KMEYER.93Jan6163639@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:

>Just remember, Los Angeles has more gay people in it that San
>Francisco has people.  

yea, but so does SF.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Dissertation on soc.motss (PLEASE READ)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:44:29 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan8.155223.15069@psych.toronto.edu> paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.135645.27974@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:
>>          SOC.MOTSS AS SUBJECT OF DISSERTATION RESEARCH
>>
>>I am interested in the different models for the
>>community that are being used--for example, the "cabal" and the
>>"conceptual family." 

>* there * is * no * conceptual * family *

* Of * course * there * is *

The best discussions, disagreements, and just out-and-out fights I've
ever seen were between family members (where the definition of "family"
sometimes matched the Republikkkans and sometimes it matched ours).

Why waste the effort on insulting someone you don't care about?  
Hurl your invective at those you love...   :-)

--
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: some thoughts of mine. It might not be very interesting to you.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:42:17 GMT

In article <1532@dosbears> dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com writes:

And I add my second to both points:

>In article <C0CA8w.FB2@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>And does so beautifully.

>I have discovered that nice people only meet nice people.  If you 
>look for the ugly in someone, you will find it.  But usually, it is
>a reflection.  I don't think FJ!! has any ugly in himself to reflect.

Indeed.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: MOW: reservations made!
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:54:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.165928.3613@news.ysu.edu> doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:
>
>As of now, I am probably 1/2 of the "local contingent"*.  I may get together

Local Youngstown, or local NE Ohio?  I'm driving down with a friend,
though we haven't yet decided which days.  Fortunately, a DC friend ha
offered me her sofabed, and she's about 1.5 mi from the Metro.
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA

"Life!  Don't talk to me about life!"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Credit Cards (was: Posting Styles)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:49:09 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>In article <C0C1IE.6s8@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>Sorry, guys, but the part of the bank I work in thinks
>of the last 6 digits of the dollar amount of a transaction
>as insignificant for display purposes.

Querida, you seem to work in exactly the right place for finding the
trust-fund to support me.

>Close to trust fund levels, but alas - it belongs to other people!

You're kidding.

>I could give you some names, though......

Mmmmmmm...I'm afraid I make a dreadful hustler... I need a patron,
that's it. Oh dear, no, that means I have to have a talent for
something in the arts... uuhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm, does Euro-snobbism (I can
do that! I can do that!) count as an art-form?

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: What to do for NEW YEAR'S EVE in Los Angeles?
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:00:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.181841.22262@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <72838@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) 
>writes:
>
>>Yes, well... Despite the fact that the crowd (and the
>>*decorations*!) at the Lone Star were *incredible* on New Bear's
>>Eve [spelling intentional], I thought they were a wee bit
>>chintzy.... I mean, every other bar I've ever heard of at least
>>gives away a glass of cheap champagne at midnight, and the
>>Gauntlet II here in LA has free drinks -- that's *anything*
>>behind the bar, not just well liquor -- for 15 minutes after
>>the New Year begins.
>
>Badlands in Toronto wanted CA$4.50 for a glass of champagne.  A Coca-Cola
>was $2.50.  Even after the exchange rate is taken into consideration   
>(US$1 ~= CA$1.20), that's ridiculous. 

It is, no question.  I heard that Colby's was giving away champagne at
midnight.  As for $2.50 for a coke, that's normal for evening bar hours.
It's a deal at $2 during the afternoon.  B{^  Their rationale is that
they beef up the soft drink prices to compensate for the fact that people
are drinking less alcohol; unfortunately, they haven't twigged in to the
fact that many are drinking less because it's *too fucking expensive*,
rather than just because it's non-optimal for their health.

But don't get me started on Badlands and Toronto bars.  Management at
Badlands has been slowly pissing me off for the past few months and I
really can't seem myself spending any further time there. 

Brian
-- 

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jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:39:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.092552.25147@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>she suggested "Nix" Creme Rinse for Head Lice.
>Permethrin 1% (w/w)
>it worked. one blast.

Nix is available OTC in the US, but it's only officially approved
 for head lice (i.e., use on kids).  It undoubtedly works on crabs too,
but may be sold in bottles too small for a full-body treatment.  (I dunno--
I've never opened a package.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer