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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: Clutch and braking question.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:48:04 GMT

jdawson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan A Dawson) writes:

>I had a couple of questions and I was hoping I could get an answer or two here.
>I learned to drive a standard when I was 15 and I always wondered if when you
>press the clutch if the engine and driveshaft are completely diengaged or if 
>there is still some friction between the clutch plates?

There is a negligible amount of friction when the clutch is completely dis-
engaged.  To see this, just put a friend in your car, jack up the rear end,
and have him start the engine in first with his foot on the clutch.  The rear
wheels should turn slowly.

>I also got a new vehicle this weekend and in the operator's manual it stated 
>that when stopping the car, to apply the brakes and then right before stopping
>completely to push in the clutch.  I've always pressed in the clutch before I
>pressed on the brake.  Is this wrong?  It just seems to me to try to brake the
>engine via the wheels (i.e. with the clutch engaged) seems odd.

Doesn't make a big difference.  If you don't disengage the clutch as you decel-
erate, you get a little bit of braking help from the engine, but it doesn't
make a big difference.  As long as you don't lug/kill the engine by waiting too
long to disengage the clutch, it makes no difference, wear-wise.
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From: ww0@bobcat.cis.ufl.edu (Wayne Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mailing lists
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:23:06 GMT
Reply-To: ww0@bobcat.cis.ufl.edu (Wayne Walker)
Organization: U of Florida. Computer Science Dept.

Will someone please post or e-mail me the addresses if any for the following

mailing lists.

Toyota
Corolla
Celica

Thanks,

Wayne Walker
ww0@.cis.ufl.edu







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From: shantanu@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:28:37 GMT

In article <Nov17.091859.12108@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.082314.29660@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:

>>i've said this before, but i don't think the integra's handling is
>>as absymal as you say it is.
>
>i personally can't remember having driven anything worse. even some
>el-cheapo econoboxes can serve up better damping than the integra.
>the term "bad handling" is relative of course, which is why i
>contrasted the integra's handling with the g20's.  night and day.
>even a sentra se-r will put the integra to shame with its long travel
>and firmly damped suspension.  i am outspoken about the integra
>because:

>2) the way it understeers given such generous rubber.  the subaru
>legacy with skinny 175/70 tires will outcorner it handily.  so will
>any vw; fox, golf, jetta.. you name it.

While I haven't driven the G20, I have driven a Legacy for a week, and its
handling simply does not compare with an Integra. With the exception of
a GTI, I doubt if any of the above VWs will outcorner an Integra either.
Heck, I can blow away Jettas and Foxes in my civic, leave alone an Integra.

>4) the unfulfilled hype about "double-wishbone" suspension.  by right
>you should be getting pretty good grip, given the above and 195
>section tires.  the truth is, most humdrum cars with humble struts and
>175 tires will easily beat it, not to mention a g20 or anything more
>special.

The integra does have pretty good grip. I've had an integra for about
1.5 years now, imo the biggest shortcoming of the car is the Michelins.
With a good set of tires, it should handle even better than it does.

The Civic/Integra chassis is quite good, try driving a previous generation
Civic Si some time. While its suspension travel is not as much as it could
be, its handling is quite tenacious. With most hondas that I have driven,
raw numbers may not be tremendous, but most of the grip is usable, and
the transient behavior of the car at the limit is very predictable.

Shantanu Ganguly
Somerset (Motorola)

phone : (512) 795-7146                  Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513
fax   : (512) 795-7513                  6501 William Cannon Drive W.
                                        Austin TX 78735-8598
email : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Software Programmers = Auto Workers?
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:48:40 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


>The article discusses a new book called "The Decline and Fall if the
>American Programmer", by Edward Yourdan (Prentice-Hall, Englewood
>Cliffs, NJ).  Mr. Yourdon groups data processors, software people and
>systems analysts in this group, and he claims that the American software
>industry will go the way of the US auto industry if present trends
>continue.

	Mr. Yourdon wasn't by any chance putting forward the use of his
	own methodology as a productivity aid, was he?
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From: quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason G Velasco)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:34:57 GMT

In article <1emeq8INNjtp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka the mad pianist)) says:
>
>>Oh, shut up and get a Honda NSX.  End of discussion.
>                       ~~~~~~
>Acura..
>(yeah..i know, i know..couldn't let it slide though...:-)
>(it being the slip up..i know referring to the closeness
>of HONDA and Acura)
>DREW 


Duh.  Acura IS Honda.  The NSX is known as the HONDA NSX everywhere except
the US.  In fact it has a huge "H" symbol on the front.  Another FYI:  The
"Acura" Vigor is known as the Honda Accord SE everywhere except the States.

It really should be known as an Accord because that's what it is, an Accord
with an extra cylinder and some really fouled engineering.

Honda sucks.


Jason
-- 
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From: ehawrysh@bnr.ca (Evan Hawrysh)
Subject: 3000GT hood bubbles (was Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:25:40 GMT

In article 722501621@coombs, yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip) writes:
> 
> >In <74435@apple.apple.COM> chmilar@Apple.COM (Michael Chmilar) writes:
> 
> >>3000 VR-4:  Ugly, ugly, and ugly.  Did I forget to mention:  it is U-G-L-Y?
> >>            It gets my vote for grossest car of the '90's.  Whoever did the
> >>            styling on this thing should be killed.
> > 
> While beauty is supposed to be in the "eye of the beholder" I think this is 
> a car that is styled far enough to produce a love it/hate it kind of reaction.
> I like the general looks but dislike the plastic bubbles on the hood-silly idea
> Mitsubishi. Not a car I've had a lot of feelings about one way or the other.
> 

About these plastic bubbles. It seems like they're there so the hood will clear
the strut towers. But they are bolted onto the hood. Is this an afterthought?
Maybe for some sort of ram-air?

Evan
From: dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:05:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

>While I am not disputing the weight problems, don't you also have to factor in
>the power loss from the torque converter?

There are auto trannies with lockup torque converters.  I'm just guessing,
but I believe that at a certain rpm, they "lock up" and lose little or no
power through the fluid.

-Dave
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: barry@geovision.gvc.com (Barry Comer)
Subject: alu. rims in the winter
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:12:33 GMT

Folks:

	I have a 1992 Mazda MX-3 GS with aluminium rims and would like
	to avoid forking out the money for steel rims.  I posted a message
	last week asking for some options on this.  The vote seems to 
	be 50/50 and leaves me right where I started.  Is there some type
	of spray or the like that I could put on the rims to protect them?

thanks in advance
Barry

-- 

===========================================================================
	I would write a signiture file but I don't have the time.  Then again
	I guess I just did, go figure.  Funnier things have happened.....
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO WAGON -- Again
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:17:36 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1eh43uINNlgh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. 
Spencer) writes:
> why in the hell are they doing this??..why not do it RIGHT the first
> time w/ 92 parts or something easier to find..and the plus of a stick
> and by the time they get all the bugs worked out, they would have a much
> less hard time finding one of the autos(as i can understand wanting an
> auto in a wagon loaded w/ screaming brats!..)...but..what the hell!!??!
> get if off the ground w/ a stick..they should be easier to come by, to
> begin with..and should be a decent conversion platform to build off of to
> put in an auto later, when they are less "novel".

Perhaps the Registry is trying to influence Ford with this vehicle,
and they know Ford would never be able to understand a station
wagon with a manual transmission.  Although I think in the early
days of the Taurus there was a manual available with the wagon...

I think the reason for the '93 parts is that the wagon is probably a
'93 wagon...  


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
From: zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:47:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Renault Le Car parts
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Check with American Motor Haven on Campbell Ave. in San Jose at 
408-246-0957. Charley stocks exclusively American Motors Parts.
He also works on them. (Poor devil)
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From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:37:28 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications


In most of Europe, cars are fitted by law with three-point
(lap-and-diagonal) belts, front and rear.  There isn't the peculiar US
``automatic'' style; just inertia reel.  Seatbelt wearing is in many
countries a legal requirement.  When I've driven in the US I've found
the seatbelts terrifying: they just don't feel secure.  I would prefer a
four-point harness, which I am considering installing in my car.

ian
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Domestic Content Laws
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"The best solution is domestic-content laws, not quotas.  The
	Japanese still get to sell their vehicles, but they must
	_engineer_, manufacture, and assemble them with the sweat and
	tears of American labor.  There should be a mandatory phase out
	of any car with less than 90% domestic content."

To be fair, of course, every nation should pass such laws, not just the
U.S.  And they should apply to all durable goods, not just cars.  For
example, the European Community should require that all airliners sold
there be at least 90% European content, and they should prohibit the
use of planes that do not comply.

Of course, this would pretty much tank the economies in Seattle and
St Louis, but fair's fair, right?

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
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From: sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul)
Subject: Re: My new Saturn in the shop for new transmission
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:47:12 GMT


|> In rec.autos, clee@praha.jpl.nasa.gov (Chang Lee) writes:
|> 
|> > Two weeks ago, I put down 15K at the dealer for a new SL2.  500 miles and a 
|> > week later, the car's back at the dealer for a new transmission.  Obviously,
|> > I'm unhappy about the situation.  I bought the car partly because of claims
|> > of quality and reliability, but this episode has me deeply worried.  So,
|> > I'd appreciate feedback from Saturn owners regarding the reliability of their
|> > car (or should I get a refund and buy a Civic?)
|> >

Seems like a lemon.  Get rid of it ASAP and get another car (Saturn or not).  The
problems will not cease.  

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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:17:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.161219.15397@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <BxyBLA.JCz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.045508.9013@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes (in defense of the indefensible...):
>>>
>>>Oddly enough, they like the Grand Cherokee more than the
>>>other SUV's even the Japanese!
>>>
>>	That's because it is head and shoulders above the rest, and it would
>>be highway robbery to decide in favor the the dated Pathfinder and 4Runner. 
>>The _one_ that does come close (besides the Explorer, obviously) is the new
>>Trooper.  Helluva truck.
>
>The new Toyota Landcrusier with 212 hp, 275 ft-lb of torque may offer
>competetion, but I haven't seen much on it yet.
>
	Yeah, it is a great truck, from what I have heard, but I don't know,
I mean it doesn't sell.  It is a Toyota, which meeans that if there is one
good article about it anywhere, the yuppie set would snap it  up...


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From: johna@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (John Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:24:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

Yeah...and if your neighbor (you know, the one you don't like)uses the tennis
ball trick, sneak over some time and move the ball a foot closer to the
back wall :)

John Allen
johna@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rts@nwu.edu (Ted Schreiber)
Subject: Repair Manual for 84 BMW 528 ?
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Mechanical Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:28:31 GMT


Where can I get a Manual or document or whatever that would have things
like 
the wiring diagram for a 84 528e ?  

Any suggestions addresses tel numbers would be appreciated

Please email any response.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Clarkkent)
Subject: the Best Fuel Additives!
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:33:34 GMT

A while ago I read about some of what are generally accepted to be 
the best fuel injector cleaner additives.  I believe
one was Red Line's fuel injector cleaner.  It's kind of expensive(~4$),
I was wondering if some neteran could email or post what the other(s)
are.  Thanks,

Adam

awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: Probe in the Snow?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:01:37 GMT

ellisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Michael K. Ellis) writes:

>Tips, recommendations, and advice appreciated.  Especially if you know a
>good way to drive a stick in the snow.  For instance, is it a good idea
>to start from a dead stop in 2nd gear to avoid spinning the tires?

The only time I would recommend starting in 2nd is when you absolutely CANNOT
start in first.  I think a little wheelspin on  a low-friction surface will do
less damage ($$-wise) to the tires than a lot of 2nd-gear starts will do to
the clutch.  I was stuck for a week last winter driving an MG Midget in heavy
snow, and I only had to use 2nd gear to get up my driveway.

IMHO, on most types of snow, the magic trick is to keep the tires cool.  This
sounds dumb, and I just know somebody will flame me for it, but it seems to
me that the tires increase in temperature and lose traction after skidding and
wheelspin.  So taking it easy in general is a good idea.  On a stick, like I
said, I start in first almost all the time, but I try to be as gentle as pos-
sible in order to avoid wheelspin.  Other than that, on a FWD car, I think
it's important to stay in as high a gear as possible for two reasons.  First,
in a higher gear it's tougher to accidentally spin your wheels, and second, if
you let off the gas suddenly, the engine braking is less.  On a RWD car, this
is not a big deal as braking at the rear is usually stabilizing, but on a FWD
car, this causes a braking force at the front of a nose-heavy car, reducing
stability.

Quite frankly, I think RWD cars are just too damn much fun in the snow to give
up anyway, but good luck!
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From: gregc@banach.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Charland)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:49:15 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: banach.wpi.edu

     I had an idea for a high-speed registration system some time ago.
Some basic points (all gov't actions are assumed to be state):

1.  People owning a vehicle capable of travelling safely at high speeds will
be eligible to apply for a high-speed license.  Heavy trucks are excluded.

2.  Upon approval (high-speed test) the car will be issued a new high-speed
plate (number in red, and the driver passing the test will be issued a new
license (photo taken with a red background), and a 5x7" red placard for the
back window.

3.  Only specified roads (Interstates and limited-access highways with two or
more lanes in either direction) will be high-speed roads.  High-speed limits
will be posted, again, in red.  These limits would be significantly higher
than normal limits, but would decrease proportionally more for corners and
other hazards.

4.  During HEAVY rain, or snow, or construction, or other unfavorable
conditions, all bets are off and no high-speed driving is allowed.

5.  Some roads will have a special red lane, for H/S driving only.

6.  High-Speed drivers can only exceed the black-posted limit if:
	-They are driving the H/S vehicle they tested on,
	-They have in their posession a valid H/S license, AND
	-They display the H/S placard (Which should be in their posession at
	all times when not driving) in the back window (lower right side) of
        the vehicle.

7.  High-Speed drivers (properly registered) will incur fines at the same rate
as other drivers, and all motor vehicle laws except speed limits on these
specified roads will still be in force.

     Just a possibility.
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     ---------------------------------------------
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:29:36 GMT

In article <By0uvo.CE4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>is simpler than modifiying a 300ZX turbo.  think about it this way:
>>drive the vette for 100K miles and beat the hell out of the engine.
>>when it needs a rebuild, have it bored to 383, change the cam, etc.
>>the lingenfelter vette is bored to 383 and kicks out 440 bhp.  not too bad.
>
>You cannot bore a 350 out to make it displace 383 cubic inches. The only
>way to make a 383 chevy small-block engine is to put a crank from a 400
>cubic inch engine in it. This crank has a longer stroke, and thus it will
>have more displacement. The most you can get from boring the cylinders in a
>350 is about a .060 inch diameter increase, which gives a final
>displacement of around 360 cubic inches.

you're right, and if i had thought about it i would have realized
that .060 (which is pretty much the limit) over wouldn't give 383 cid.
i actually meant "bored and stroked."  sorry for the brain fade, and
thanks for the correction.

after your post and somebody else's post, though, i'm wondering if
the 383 involves any boring at all.  is it just a matter of dropping
in a crankshaft from a 400?  (car and driver says it was bored and
stroked.)  also, wouldn't the longer throws of the new crank result
in greater side loads on the pistons?  would this reduce the redline?

-teddy
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:54:00 GMT

In article <13871@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>	"For comparable products I prefer my money to go and put food
>>	on some kid from Detroit's table rather than be used somewhere
>>	else."
>>
>>Let's drag it out into the sunlight.  You'd rather help feed a kid from
>>Detroit than a kid from Tsutsumi.  Is this not racism?

	As an Asian-AMERICAN I'd rather put food on anohter american's table
rather than a Japanese, German, English, Italian, or Korean table too...


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