From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:07:35 GMT

In article <3aR=!P=@engin.umich.edu> echang@engin.umich.edu writes:
>
>Not quite:
>	a) Germany and Korea were devided by external superpowers;
>   	   but, Taiwan was given to Japan by her China government.

wrong.  taiwan was taken away by force threatening.  the similar
case is that france gave part of its land to germany after frence
was defeated by germany.  after war world one, france took the land
back from germany.

>	b) The size differeces between Taiwan and China is far from
>	   that between two Koreas.

so?

>	c) Taiwan's future should be based on the decision of Taiwan's 
>	   people. The unification of two Germanys or two Koreas were/are
>	   based on their decisions and has nothing to do with Taiwan.

agree.  let's wait and see who win the ellection.  let's wait and see our
children's ellections.

>	I think people in Taiwan would like to see a bright future of China,
>and want to help, but it IS Mainlanders' (people who live in China)
>resposibility to develop China.  It is an honorary mission for those who
>were born and educated in China to build a modern China.  I believe they
>are capable of doing that and they will.  

reasonable.  no objection.

>	My personal opinion is more to a need for independence.

>Yes.	  
>	1) Should China invade Taiwan, any country can help
>	   Taiwan without being intimidated by the accusation of interposing 		           internal affair of China.
>	   (Well it is not an immediate benefit, but it is very important!)

quite questionable.  other countries' action will depend on their
interpretations what the chinese internal affairs are, not our interpretation.
you are thinking they will use your interpretation, but i think this assumption
is very questionable.
and it is dangerous to think some countries will envolve other countries'
wars.  look at the east europe.  nato and usa all stand aside and watch
east europe people keep killing themselves.
some countries may even be happy there are wars.  then, they can sell their
weapons through black market.  is this you looking for?

>	2) Many countries can develop diplomatic relationship with Taiwan.
>	   It is essentially more effective and practical to protect your
>          citizens and assets in a country with formal diplomatic relation. 

you made this statement under same assumption.  it is also questionable.
now, a lot of countries use taiwan because it is not a name of country.
some countries don't even accept taiwan, and we have to use taipei.

do you think they will accept taiwan as a name of a country?  no, i don't
think so.  if they can accept taiwan as a name of country, they can accept
roc right now.  remember that we now accept to establish relations with other
countries even they want to keep their relation with mainland.  the key
point is most of the countries use the mainland's interpretation instead of
any others', yours or mine.

>	3) Taiwan can joint the international society under her own name;
>	   Her citizens' passports don't have to bear the name Republic of 
>           China, which they don't represent.	          

i can't see any benifit from this.
by the way, the people don't represent the name, but the name does
represent the people.  the people pay their tax to the roc government
and enjoy their rights defined by the roc constitution; so they are
the citizens of roc, and roc government represents their citizens to
join the international society.
so, you may argue that if we change the name from roc to taiwan, the new
name may serve us better than another name.  my point is i don't think
the new can serve us or present us better than roc.  in fact, i think
any new name will serve us worse than the present name - roc.

cs shao.
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