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From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:59:50 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Aug26.030521.13100@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>josip@src.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
>#
># My encyclopedia says Poland lost 5,420,000 people in WWII,
># including Polish Jews, Poles and others...  full 5,300,000 of these were
># civilian casualties.
>
>These are the same numbers I have seen; the number of Polish Jews that
>died seems to vary. Most authors estimate it to be between 2.7 and 3
>million. Reitlinger, in his book "The Final Solution" gives 2.2 million
>and 2.6 million as lower and upper bounds, but his estimate is
>smaller then anyone's else I saw.
>
># Anti-Semitism was clearly a huge factor in this,
># but do not forget the context: mass murder of the Jews is deeply
># linked to Hitler's search for "Lebensraum" in the East and his campaign
># of terror against Slavic populations he found in his way, including Poles.
>
>Yes and no. Jews from *all* of Europe - including France, Holland, etc -
>were marked for extermination, so it was not only for Lebensraum
>purposes. It was a very deep, idealogical thing.
>
>-Danny Keren.

Elie Wiesel (a survivor from Auschwitz, and now proffesor of Jewish
Studies in the USA) put it very succinctly:
"Not all victims were Jews, but all Jews were vitims"

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From: Joseph Wetstein <jpw@minerva.ECE.Drexel.EDU>
Subject: Yavneh NA -> Seforim to be available
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Joseph Wetstein <jpw@minerva.ECE.Drexel.EDU>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:03:10 GMT


Hopefully, you have all heard about Yavneh North America. (If not,
please contact me)

One of the goals of Yanvah North America is to assist university students
with assembling a beis medrash. Following the model of the University of 
Pennsylvania and Columbia University, many schools are beginning to 
realize that a beis medrash for their school, hillel,etc, is possible, even 
if there are only a small number of students on campus.

To this end, Yavneh is in the process of negotiating with the publishers
of Judaic books to provide (large) discounts to students who desire a central
learning (jewish/halacha) facility for their campus.

It may also be possible for STUDENTS to take advantage of the discounts, as
long as it is clear that no competition with seforim stores is intended.

Anyone who is interested can contact:
 Yossi Wetstein, jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu
From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:27:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep2.165613.18689@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>Yes, I know it was early Polish governments that _invited_ Jews into
>Poland when other countries were expelling them.  Interestingly, Russia
>got most if its Jews when it captured areas of Eastern Europe,
>including pieces of Poland.

Speaking about distorting someones views: discussion was about Polish
goverment AFTER WWI, not about some medieval king or duke.
Polish goverment AFTER WWI (=BEFORE WWII) did not authorise any
pogroms nor any discrimination. It was illegal and punishable.
However goverment did nothing to stop harassment sponsored by some
right wing parties and some of the christian merchants. (We're talking
about economical rivarly).
Russian goverment (Tzarist) supported and organized pogroms, moreover
introduced laws discriminating settlment of Jews.

If you say, you don't see a difference - I say :take a history class,
if you then change the subject to medieval time, now its a distortion
isn't it?

>
>I'm a little curious what you think my point of view on Poland is.  True,
>it is not blindly, nauseatingly positive, as is that of several of the
>Polish apologists on the net.

Nor is mnie, but shall I remind you what sparked the whole discussion?
Someone posted a letter to the canadian newspaper , protesting 
against the expression" Polish Death Camps", instead of the correct form
"Nazi-German Death Camps"; and what did you do? You said : Canadian
Newspaper should keep writing about Polish Death Camps, because of the
Polish complicity in the holocaust. Now that is a blunt distortion!
That's way I do not see any difference between you and some Polish
apologist: you clearly distort the history! I am not denying crimes
commited on Jews by some Poles. I understand , you don't deny
many counts of help from Poles toward Jews either. But your statement
supporting the name of "Polish Death Camps" is an insult to both Jews
and Poles who were killed by Nazis.


>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Shikun ha Karton
Originator: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:33:07 GMT

  There is a guy in St. John New Brunswick who makes cardboard
  pre-fab houses. He was interviewed on the radio this morning,
  and he mentioned that he has had interest from Israel for some
  500,000 units. Jus in time for Sukkot no doubt.
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From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: To his Brother?   (was ...can of worms...)
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:58:18 +0300

In: <581@kesher.UUCP>
aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel) states at the end:

>In article <1992Aug26.212833.4341@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (Dav
>>
>>No.  The assumption is that God gave Moses the Mitzvot.  The events
>>were only written down as they happened.  Even Moses wouldn't be given
>>knowledge of the future, such as is printed in the Torah.
>>
>
>
>Why not?  After all, that *IS* a belief INCLUDED in the Divine Origin of
>Torah.  Moshe was a prophet.  Moshe knew he wouldn't ever live in eretz
>
>
>Not only did Moshe recieve the Torah from G-d (which our sages tell us
>was created along with <or before> this universe), but he also recieved
>the entire explanation of it.  Which he taught to his brother....

I thought that the O believe that Moshe passed on the Torah in all its
forms to Yehoshu'a  (Joshua).  Any reference to  this brother teaching
besides Mr Schmiedel liking this name? :-)

>| Aaron D. Schmiedel            |  All my opinions represent what is right  |

   Michael Shimshoni
From: ben@ccbenj.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's gets kashruth certification
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:35:53 GMT
Reply-To: ben@ccbenj.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Distribution: usa,ca
Organization: Technion IIT, Haifa Israel


In article <1992Aug24.225311.16639@njitgw.njit.edu>, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug24.202022.9984@athena.mit.edu> terra@athena.mit.edu (Terra Incognita) writes:
|>> Our rabbi has told us that for
|>>years people have been petitioning B&J to get kosher certification,
|>>and it appears that they have finally -- last week, a pint of ice
|>>cream appeared in our house with a heksher on it!
|>
|>Great!!!
|>
The two locations that I know of in Israel (In Jerusalem off of Shlomzion
HaMalka, and in Ranana ) both have hechsher from the rabbanut...
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From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion of a Child
Summary: DO NOT POST-EMAIL
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:32:40 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <87452@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <199208282210.AA27786@yfn.ysu.edu>, aa324@yfn (Marlene Miller) writes:
>>The following are some things he will probably encounter if he has
>>chosen a Conservative rabbi.  [...]
>
>>Once completed, your son will be regarded as Jewish just as any other
>>born Jew.
>
>Surely the son should be told the above is false regarding C and R
>conversions.
>--
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)


Surely all of the above should be emailed AND NOT POSTED as this is a
PRIVATE matter.  The lady posted for some information and although
most of the most of the posts have been decent, some, INCLUDING this
one have been downright insulting. (btw I myself am orthodox)

Would it not be better to email directly and allow the lady concerned
to make her own decisions.

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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: Missionary Aid
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:50:42 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Sep1.161304.16097@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>,
by jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein):
> 
> I would like to know of books, etc, that can be used when
> debating/refuting christian missionaries.

I suspect that the traditional Jewish arguments against engaging in
disputations are more fully justified in this context than in any
other.  Arguments with Christian missionaries have never worked for
me; in my experience, you just end up walking around in circles and
each time around, the missionaries seem to find something in what
you say to reinforce their own faith.  They've generally got lots
of experience and training in such arguments, having made them day
in and day out to huge numbers of people.  Few of us can match that
preparation!

Remember, Christian fundamentalist missionaries tend to seek out people
who have lost touch with their roots (be they Jewish or other),
particularly those who have branded the religion they grew up with
as empty and its practitioners as ignorant.  As a result, one of the
best defenses is frequently not a direct attempt to counter the
arguments of the missionaries, but rather, the direct and
straightforward study of your own religion.  If you or a friend feel
threatened by the arguments some missionary is making, one of the best
things to do is to study what it is that you really believe; seek out
the foundations of your own beliefs and figure out why you believe
what you believe.  Having that firmly in hand, most missionary rantings
sound like just that, rantings.
					Doug Jones
					jones@cs.uiowa.edu
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi Camps
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:32:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: aplcen.1992Sep3.173209.25085
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

In article <1992Sep3.170640.27211@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:

[Concerning Hitler and Stalin]

> I have to agree with Pawel here.  Hitler wanted to kill all Jews.
> Just because they were Jews, even Jews who had converted or if they
> only had one Jewish parent or grandparent.
>
> Stalin probably resulted in many Jewish deaths, but I doubt that
> as many, and not because they were Jews.

I thought the main difference between Stalin and Hitler concerning the
Jews was that Stalin died just as he was ready to start *his* own
Jewish genocide plan. 

Another difference is that Stalin already had years of experience at
mass murdering people.  Discussing who was a worse human being strikes
me as rather pointless.

R

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From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:51:37 GMT

In article <17eihqINN1sb@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>
>How do you explain the numerous places where it says "vaydabber adonai el
>moshe leimor"?  Or, for that matter, "v'zot hatorah asher sam moshe lifnei
>b'nai yisrael *al pi adonai* b'yad moshe"?
>

Oops.  Don't forget that "v'zot hatorah [...]" (which we say at the end
of the Torah Service) is *NOT* a single quote from Tanach, but two
quotes pasted together.  Sorry, I don't have references here at the
office, so I can't give the precise citations.



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From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Should a Jew settle in Israel?
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:14:43 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <199208301440.AA08844@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>In: <1992Aug17.211651.16598@cbnews.cb.att.com>
>ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) asks:
>
>>In article <1992Aug17.114829.13516@discus.technion.ac.il> silvrbrg@discus.tech
>>>The question is not whether Jews should live in Israel, rather why should
>>>a Jew live outside of Israel. According to Rambam, living in Israel is a
>>>postive commandment for which there are only three exceptions: finding a
>>>wife, to study with an outstanding rabbi, or for short-term business needs.
>>
>>And, as Rambam was not living in Israel at the time, the fourth reason?
>
>May I suggest a few possible answers:
>
>1.   As polygamy  was allowed,  the RAMBAM  was still  looking for  an
>additional perfect wife.
>

It might not have been actually forbidden to marry more than one wife
(at a time (-; ) , but it most definitely was not approved.

>2.   As he was every day with Maimonides, this  could be considered
                               ^^^^^^^^^^
I hate to break it to you, pal, but RaMBaM=Maimonides!

>"to  study   with  an  outstanding   Rabbi",  even  if  some   of  his
>contemporaries did not think so highly of that Rabbi.
>
   [much deletedd]

>have judged living in Israel as being specially dangerous.
>
>Lest anyone is misinformed by present  day media reports, may I hasten
>to add that at present, living in Israel is not dangerous, compared to
>most other places in this world.
>
>>Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
>
> Michael Shimshoni

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From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:02:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.135913.25999@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
|> In article <ALLEN.92Aug27081545@golem.ssc.gov> allen@ssc.gov writes:
|> >Ah yes, the infinite depth of learning contained in our Torah.  And
|> >where do we learn that HaShem takes `X' when He plays tic-tac-toe with
|> >the Jewish people?  As it says: "HaShem O's leamoh ytein".
|>   Not to mention tehillim 13:6 (psukei d'zimrah) "I will sing
|>   to Hashem because there is a camel on top of me."

You left out the first half of the riddle: "What pasuk should you recite when a
camel sits on you?"

And how about the proof that E.T. lives up in heaven?  Hashem indicated a 
place to Moshe and said "Hinay Makom E.T." (here is the place of E.T.).
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From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vatican, Israel and Hidden Children
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:16:35 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:


> You are right. Cardinal Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, was born from very
>religious jewish (polish?) parents. He is a big friend of Israel and a big
>fighter against racism. Often he has explained that he is a jew, he feels
>proud to be a jew but with Christian religion. I think he converted at the
>age of 12 to Catholicism, during the time he was hidden from the Nazis in
>a convent. I don't know if his parents survived the war.
Big friend indeed, of Israel and of the Jews. Just a good friend exactly
as Saint-Paul. He was on a long cast on French TV recently with Elie Wiesel
(I found nobody so far that could say why Wiesel accepted that show since he
clearly knows Lustiger and his  views). He displayed a lot of friendship
for Jews, indeed, provided of course they accept Jesus as his Messiah.
Very new position, as everyone can judge.
I know for sure that his father is not alive, because he had the guts to 
come say Qadish in some Paris kind-of-Synagogue, which for those who REALLY
know what Qadish is, and why orphans recite it, DOES mean a LOT of guts.
The leader of the congregation though, who KNOWS what Qadish means and why
orphans recite it, announced that he requests that HE (the leader) ALONE
would recite QADISH rather than a crowd, which INDEED is exactly how QADISH
should be recited, by ONE Shaliach Zibur.
For those who don't know, there is no word of mourning or death or whatever
in Qadish that has to do with death. It's just a proclamation of WHO rules
the world, and orphans recite it LOUDLY, as a  SHALIACH ZIBUR, only so that
the rest of the assembly would wonder, look what a wonderful Jew this person
who passed away has brought up.
This is why I used the word GUTS.
Yaqov Yossef
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Weddings on Saturday??
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:56:46 GMT

I suppose if I agree with Michael it will look like some kinda
conspiracy, but I was at two (weekday) weddings this month (in
Israel), both of which were performed not long *before* sunset.
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From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Woody and Soon Yi
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:30:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

>All in all, it's not good for the Jews.  Oy, first Roy Cohn, then
>Michael Milken, and now this.

  I know that many won't like this story, but it is a true one.
One of my German colleagues once complained to one of my German-born,
Israeli colleague about the very low level of some Israelis who moved to
Germany. My Israeli colleague replied:
"every country gets the Jews it deserves".
From: lorne Brown
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Info wanted: New London, Conn.
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:03:14 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

A friend of mine,(female) is moving to New London in the next
few days. If anyone has some useful information or contacts,
it would be appreciated.  I don't think she knows anybody there.
What's the Jewish population? Kosher restaurants?, shuls?
Is it near any large Jewish population centres?

Lorne Brown, Ottawa, Canada. Phone number from anywhere in USA
or Canada - 1-613-722-9365

Thanks for your help
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From: ayf@pruxp.att.com (Avi Feldblum)
Subject: Re: Vatican, Israel and Hidden Children
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.213405.16760@watson.ibm.com> w2dz@watson.ibm.com (Daniel Zalik) writes:
>Could anyone supply the official text of the Catholic Curch's position
>on requirements for the recognition of the State of Israel. I realize
>that there are currently talks being held at a fairly high level regarding
>such a prospect, but I am interested not so much in the most recent events
>as in the historical context of the Vatican's refusal to recognize the
>Jewish State. I am interested in the evolution of church policy
>since the establishment of the modern state to the present. I would like
>to compare the Catholic relations with Israel with the Catholic
>relations with Israel's adversaries.

I can refer you to a book that deals at least somewhat on that topic
(although I do admit to some bias in relation to the book in question
:-) ). It is called: The response of the American Catholic Church to
the Establishment of the State of Israel by Dr. Esther Feldblum. While
the primary focus of the book is on the Americal Catholic Church, not
the Vatican, it does examine the basic issue/problem that the
establishment of the state of Israel posed to the Catholic Church. In
addition, part of the conflict in the American Church related to
differences in their response to that of the Vatican. I can get full
Biblio information on the book, if you want, as I have it at home.

Avi Feldblum
avi_feldblum@att.com
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