HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 01:56:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.000340.8964@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.233314.518@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>...	You seem to think very highly of Japanese culture. Well...
>>No, that's not correct.  At no point have I ever said that Japanese-cu
>>culture is better than Western-cu culture.  Mr. James Pak (jpak@oakhill.
>>manute.mot.com), who backlogs much of the stuff on s.c.a.a, can be queried
>>about some of my previous posts on s.c.a.a., where I specifically criticize
>>Japanese-cu thinking in several respects.
>...
>That being said, can you do me a big favor in the future?  You haven't been
>correctly citing my e-mail address.  It's not jpak@oakhill.manute.mot.com.
>It's jpak@manute.sps.mot.com.  Unfortunately, this is twice now you've made
>that mistake.

Fair enough.  I'm not perfect; I make mistakes.

>>I have already noted this; Ms. Covington should ask Mr. Pak to repost the
>>only article that I wrote but which he thought was very good.
>Actually, I think several to many of your posts are good.  In fact, the ones
>where you concentrate on Japan and don't talk about China are usually pretty
>informative and/or insightful.  In fact, the ones where you don't talk about
>China, period, whatever the topic is, tend to pretty good on the whole.

In all fairness, I have already pointed out that I use a very different
writing style when I respond to posts written by idiots who are Chinese-cu.
It has little to do with China but has everything to do with Chinese-cu
culture.

I just do not have any respect for Chinese-cu Chinese-ge jerks who 
insist that, among their many lunacies, a Chinese-ge should be culturally
Chinese-cu simply because she is Chinese-cu.  Mr. Pak should note this
distinction in my writing style.

I tend to use a respectful understanding style when I am responding to
Westerners-cu, Japanese-cu, Germans-cu, Thai-cu, etc.

I tend to use a haughty insulting style when I respond to Chinese-cu,
Nazis-cu, rednecks-cu, etc.  This is irrespective of the newspaper.

For example, if a Chinese-cu moron appears on soc.culture.japan
and says that "Chinese are inherently non-violent", you can be sure
that _no_ Chinese-cu Chinese-ge will object to that racist statement.
Because it is a racist statement, I can only respond in the same manner
that I use to respond to a Nazi.

------------------------------------------------------------------+------------
Jinsei no imi wa nan desu ka.                Sister, can you      |   \|  |`
Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.           spare a coin?        |    | -+-
                                                                  |   /| / \
Copyright 1992, 1993    Disclaimer:  1 + 1 = 3                    |
------------------------------------------------------------------+------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:15:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.154435.2597@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
(Clare Chu Ayala)
writes:
>  Speaking as someone who has been there... Yes.  I wanted very much to
>  date a bunch of AA guys, but they never even looked my way.  I think it's
>  because they think I look "jappy" with my single-eyelids.

What is wrong with having single-eyelids?  Ms. Ayala should have sent me
e-mail back then; I would have told her how to deal with Chinese-cu bozos
and their prejudice.

>There is a big
>prejudice against single-eyelid women in a lot of the Asian cultures (Chinese,

See above.

>...

And some Western-cu Orientals-ge think that single-eyelid women are
gorgeous--i.e. Korean-ge and Japanese-ge.  Why, I bet that those dudes
think that Ms. Ayala is "hot" babe.  Perhaps, she was just looking
in the wrong place--Chinese-cu men.  She should have checked out some
Western-cu Orientals-ge or Japanese-cu Orientals-ge.

------------------------------------------------------------------+------------
Jinsei no imi wa nan desu ka.                Sister, can you      |   \|  |`
Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.           spare a coin?        |    | -+-
                                                                  |   /| / \
Copyright 1992, 1993    Disclaimer:  1 + 1 = 3                    |
------------------------------------------------------------------+------------
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: LAUGHING about Inter-RACIAL dating
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:16:16 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Dec23.122838.16612@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>This is no joke, however.  There was a time when people *did*
>consider all these groups to be different races.  Those Euro's
>who were sensitive to race would talk about the Nordic-race,
>the Alpine-race, the Turk-race, the Lap-race, the Celtic-race,
>the Teutonic-race, the Khazar-race, the Slavic-race, the Anglo-Saxon
>(or course)-race, the Aryan-race (that's *really* out of fashion now).
>etc.  etc.  etc.

  Winston Churchill used the word in that context in his 'EEC-speech' long
after WWII. I remember it from a program about Churchill since his talk
about "preventing the French and German races from waging war on eachother"
startled me.

>Steve

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
From: pkwu@is0.is.morgan.com (Peter Wu)
Subject: The Rising Sun by Michael Crichton
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:08:54 GMT

Hi.

I'm sure that this must be a moot topic by now, but in case it isn't I
was curious as to the reaction by those people that read this book.

I just finished reading it last night and had heard all sorts of Japan
bashing / racist criticisms of the book before I read it, but I
thought I'd give him a chance before deciding on my own, especially
since Jurassic Park was so good.

My own opinion is that the majority of the comments made by the
characters in the book are true and it made me aware of what kind of
position the US is in with respect to Japan.

--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pedro Quien?			Peter K. Wu		pkwu@is.morgan.com
Morgan Stanley & Co.        Information Services               NYSUX group
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: yonsei@milton.u.washington.edu (Brian Peebles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian American Theatres
Date: 2 Jan 1993 00:21:27 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

Does anyone have the addresses and/or phone numbers for Pan Asian
Repertory theatre in NY or Angel Island Theatre Co. in Chicago?

Any help will be appreciated...thanks in advance.

--Brian 

yonsei@milton.u.washington.edu
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Women Asking Men Out (was Re: Asian males aren't attractive?)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:57:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1992Dec30.191927.21185@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.154435.2597@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.230100.11946@utagraph.uta.edu> thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao) writes:
>You know, I hear women (of all ethnicities) complaining that men (of all
>ethnicities) don't like being asked out.  I hear this over and over.
>Are most men out there turned off when someone asks them out?

	Nope. At least not in their dreams. Of course, it's a different
matter out in the real world.

>>  How can you tell which AF is a twinkie and which one isn't?  Explain.

	Easy. An AF is a twinkie if she turns you down.
-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Frank F. Yu)
Subject: Why are we different?
Originator: yu@physun
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:11:27 GMT

It seems that there are people who hold prejudiced opinions of
Chinese Americans(USians and Canadians) who want to preserve their
culture heritage by teaching their next genaration Chinese.
(the word "you" in the following text refers to these people)
I say "prejudiced" because this effort of culture preservation is
not peculiar to the Chinese community. You see it in the Jewish
community, you see it in French-speaking Quebec, and many other
places as well. And I want to stress that if you have negative
feelings towards these Chinese Americans because in your imagination
the Chinese culture are forced upon the children, should you not 
denounce the Jews for their Jewish cultural indoctrination?
Should you not denounce Quebec for imposing the no-English-sign law?
Or even should you not denounce your parents for educating you in
whatever culture background you have now and depriving you of the
choice of one million other cultures that you might want to try?
If not, your statement aginast the Chinese can only be treated
as a racial discriminatory remark.

Which is exactly my conclusion.

By the way, I think most parents want to pass on to their children
their cultural heritage as valuable knowledge, knowledge that in their
belief can make better life for the children. A lot of first generation
Chinese immigrants I know dislike some aspects of the North American
culture, and they try to teach their children values from the Chinese
culture. Some are even considering sending the kids back to China and
let them stay there till they finish primary school. I don't think highly
of this approach, however I do not have a particularly good idea either.
This is still something that I keep wondering about.

Frank
From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Women Asking Men Out 
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:52:30 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

> You know, I hear women (of all ethnicities) complaining that men (of all
> ethnicities) don't like being asked out.  I hear this over and over.
> And I can't figure it out.  When someone asks me out, I'm both very flattered
> and also very impressed that the woman actually took the initiative and
> asserted herself.

	You know what?  I'm really shocked and surprised to hear
this about women.  I have *never* heard of a man who didn't like
being asked out.  In fact, when a woman asks a man out her chances
of sucess are quite high (not 100%, of course) and it is rare
that her approach will be rebuffed with hostility.  The reverse is
definitely not true, a man must be quite skillful in approaching a
woman so that she isn't turned off, turned angry, or scared away.

I suspect that what is going on is that everyone knows this, so 
when a woman approaches a man and it doens't go 100% perfect she
is quite alarmed (since all the conventional wisdom says that
"men will always *love* attention from a woman").  Therefore it'
probably just a case of too high expectations on the woman's part,
even though odds are things will go well for her. 

SteveS
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:19:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Dwight Joe says that....
>>[Chinese-cu stupidity deleted]
>>Jinsei wa "acceptance" dewa arimasen.
>
>Chotto.  Shum-san wa chuugokujin(-cu) mitai desu nee.  Doobutsu no yoo ni
>kangaetari yattari suru kara.
>
>Chuugokujin(-cu) wa ningen no yoo ni kangaetari yattari shi sae sureba
>sekai wa motto ii naru deshoo.  Demo ima chuugokujin(-cu) wa hantai desu.
>Hontoo ni taihen warui hito da.
>
>Chuugokujin(-cu) no kodomo wa chuugokujin no ryooshin to hanarete Nikkeijin
>ya Doitsu-Amerikajin nado no kazoku to sunda hoo ga ii yo.  Kodomo wa 
>ii ryooshin ni sodaterareta hoo ga ii desu kara.  Hontoo desu yo.
>
>Have a nice day.

Uh... HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH STUFF????? Are you a bit shy to say the
opinion in English so people can respond? I think I'll translate it
for the benefit of all...

"Wait a minute. It seems (Ms? Mr?)Shum is a Chinese cultured person,
because s/he thinks like an animal. The world would be a better
place if only Chinese cultured people would think like human beings.
But, now Chinese-cultured people are against this. They are really
bad people. Chinese cultured children should be separated from their
Chinese parents and live with Japanese-Americans or German-Americans
or some such. This is because children should be brought up by good
parents. I am serious."

Geez... it is only me that wants to barf when reading these sorts of
posting? 
	I agree that racism is bad. But, isn't it also very bad to
categorically hate people because of their culture? Maybe we should
call this 'culturism'? I personally think that Chinese culture (and
all cultures) has a lot of good things going for it. How can you say
that there is nothing good about Chinese culture at all? 
	You seem to think very highly of Japanese culture. Well...
two points here: (1) Do you not realize that a lot of things that
are now Japanese were brought over from China? Are all of these
things bad? (2) Maybe you do not realize it, but the Japanese are
guilty of a lot of the same sins you blame the Chinese for, most
notably conceiving of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese as separate
races, and assuming that Japanese-Americans are "Japanese" because
of their blood and their blood alone. It is a result of having a
society with little racial diversity in it at present.
	All cultures have their good points and their failings.
Let's try to have a bit of an open mind, shall we? If not, you are
merely repeating the sins of the "Chinese" people you hate so much.
		Maiko Covington
 (pulls up asbestos undies)
From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: LAUGHING about Inter-RACIAL dating
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:14:30 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:

>In article <1992Dec23.122838.16612@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>This is no joke, however.  There was a time when people *did*
>>consider all these groups to be different races.  Those Euro's
>>who were sensitive to race would talk about the Nordic-race,
>>the Alpine-race, the Turk-race, the Lap-race, the Celtic-race,
>>the Teutonic-race, the Khazar-race, the Slavic-race, the Anglo-Saxon
>>(or course)-race, the Aryan-race (that's *really* out of fashion now).
>>etc.  etc.  etc.

>  Winston Churchill used the word in that context in his 'EEC-speech' long
>after WWII. I remember it from a program about Churchill since his talk
>about "preventing the French and German races from waging war on eachother"
>startled me.

>>Steve

>-bertil-
>--
>"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
> strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
> exercise for your kill-file."

I agree.  
For the most part race or some other criteria for difference is a matter
of percieving difference, and either magnifying the difference or diminishing
the difference in our mind's eye.

"The facts themselves do not bother us, rather it is our judgements
of the facts that upset us." - Epitectus

Look at the conflict in Ireland, the people hate each other there for their
religion.  Look at Bosnia-Croatia-Serbia, they hate each other for what their
ancestors did to each other.  In Somalia, the gangs of gunmen fight each other
for differences in tribal affiliation.

People are different in many ways.  They are similar in many ways.  It is how
we choose to focus on differences that divide, and create conflict.

"Race" is an idea, a convention used for catagorizing people.  It is about
as "real" as gold is used as a measure of "wealth."  It is as real as a 
border between states or nations.  The American indians did not have a 
concept of property,- a point of major misunderstanding with the Europeans.
(& no, I'm not a socialist or whatever....)
There are many "ideas" which hold reality for us because everyone believes them.
We should keep in mind, however, that they are only conventions, and not the
"reality" itself.
 
I could imagine
a person who grew up alone in a forest, who would not be have such 
ethnocentric or culture indoctrinated thoughts & concepts.  Such a person
probably wouldn't see people in such clear cut catagories of race and religion.


Perhaps in the future, skin color will be regarded with as little importance
as hair color or eye color.


John Park
jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: This Interracial thingy?
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:08:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

>If a Korean-ge wants to be German-cu, then more power to him.
>If a Chinese-ge rejects everything Chinese-cu except Chinese-cu food
>but chooses to be Korean-cu, then more power to her.  Why must Chinese-cu
>Chinese-ge bozos criticize, brand, condemn a Chinese-ge because she doesn't
>want to be Chinese-cu.  Why must those same bozos condemn Chinese-ge
>ladies for wanting to date/marry Caucasian-ge men?

I agree that this is stupid. But! It is not only Chinese cultured
people who do this! Americans (white and otherwise) do it too! I
cannot count the times I've been accused of being traitorous and/or
unpatriotic, unAmerican. I think it is a worldwide problem, and one
that I'd like to see disappear.

	Maiko
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: edwardj@microsoft.com (Edward Jung)
Subject: Re: The Rising Sun by Michael Crichton
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:43:54 GMT
Organization: Strategy Division, Microsoft Corp.

Peter Wu writes:

>I'm sure that this must be a moot topic by now, but in case it isn't I
>was curious as to the reaction by those people that read this book.

I enjoyed it. It was relentless at making this point about Japanese
business in the United States, and, in my opinion, came dangerously
close to pontificating. It was interesting, though. Here were also
some details about the technology industry and Japan's role in it
that were not completely accurate. It also did not adequately reflect
the changes in Japanese business in the last 18-24 months due to
increased global economic pressures.

--
Edward Jung, Software Architect     edwardj@microsoft.com
Advanced Systems, Microsoft Corp.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: stuff
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:36:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.214702.9907@clipper.ingr.com> jimmy@clipper.ingr.com (Jimmy Blair) writes:
>
>	Clare writes:
>>                                           I feel that it's better to
>>   be rejected because of lousy stereotypes, than to be desired for the
>>   wrong reasons.  The latter is definitely more insidious, because you
>>   cannot separate the wheat from the chaff.
>
>        So you're saying you would rather be kicked in the face
>        than be patted on the back, because you can't tell
>        whether the pat on the back is genuine or condescension.
>        I would prefer not to have my nose broken, although
>        that's a materialistic objective position ( aka Marxist, ugh ).
>
>	-- Jimmy

If it's a one-time deal, sure I'd rather get the pat than the boot.  On the
other hand, if you might have to deal with someone on a long-term basis,
like a boss, a co-worker, a friend, a spouse, etc. it's nice to know what
they really think.

The problem comes when the person patting you on the back plants a knife
back there, later.  At least when someone kicks you in the face, you know
where to return fire.
						--Alan Hu
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: 25 Dec 92 01:00:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Okay... If I am truly free to teach my child any language I speak,
how about if I *huge grin* decide to teach them.... CHINESE??? Is
that any worse than my teaching them Japanese, or Inuit? I guess I'm
just going to hell in a handbasket already, because if my Chinese
approaches decent levels (I hope it will someday) then I'd certainly
want to teach it to my kid.

Maybe I'm really awful, but there IS a reason I'd teach my kid
Chinese if I were Chinese-cu, and Japanese because I'm from there.
It's simple: it is the language of the culture *I* am a member of. I
*want* to pass that culture on to my kid, so the language of that
culture is an obvious choice. There IS more to it than just learning
a language, in this case. I want my kid to understand ME, to
understand what world *I* live in, where I'm from. I'm going to
teach the kid that language so we can communicate these things, so
he/she can share in my world.

		Maiko
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Looking for African-American female
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:35:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QfEFXr600iV4I2pjwl
	<1763@rwja.umdnj.edu>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Friends,

.

           My last post brought about some interesting responses from
some delightful women. I even got a few Photographs. Tanya we could work
if you tell
your other friend to step. So, I'm back. And, L'm looking for another
interesting black woman to wine and dine and have a good time.