HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tdean@makedustuswest.com (Tony Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Toxic water was Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:35:13 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Communications -- Information Technologies


> I'm sorry but I don't believe that pure water is dangerous, no matter
> how pure it is! Our digestive systems are designed to handle water.
> Water is a Safe Substance.  I don't believe that any impurity in water
> prevents any danger. Certainly, some water contains iodine and iron
> and other good minerals, but as long as you get these minerals in your
> diet somehow it will not hurt you to drink 100% H2O. IMHB.
> 
> (I'd imagine you could injure yourself by trying to drink an extremely
> large *volume* of water, past the point of repeated vomiting, but
> that's another issue.)
> --

I think we may actually have the key to the urban lore issue of 
dangerous water purity. I seem to recall a death caused by massive 
water consumption a few years back. The large amount of water 
consumed caused an electrolytic imbalance in the individuals body.
The water contained no significant amounts of minerals and nutrients
thus diluted the budy fluids. This was an extreme case and is unlikely
to be seen with reasonable water consumption. Your milage may vary.
 
...........................................................................
Tony Dean - Consultant with Cap Gemini America 
e-mail: tdean@eatdust.uswest.com
Disclaimer: At this time, should anyone reliably determine that any
   verbage in this document can be construed as an opinion, discard or
   disregard the contents, intent, media, and form of said document.
...........................................................................
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: llarsen%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Loren Larsen)
Subject: John Robbins New Book
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:52:00 MST
Reply-To: llarsen%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, CS Dept., Salt Lake City
Distribution: world,local

I just saw a book by John Robbins at the bookstore.  I can't even remember the
title, and I don't mean "Diet for a New America".  Does anyone know what this
is called and if it is any good.  What are the differences between DFANA?

Thanks
Loren

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: zkym02@orl.amoco.com (Keerthi Y. McIntosh)
Subject:  Vegetarian Cooking Schools
Reply-To: zkym02@orl.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:03:39 GMT


Do any of you know of any vegetarian cooking schools?  

Do you know of any requirements?

How long is a typical program?


Thanks in advance    

Keerthi

(e-mail is fine to zkym02@orl.amoco.com)
From: kupstas@cs.unc.edu (Eileen Kupstas)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Heartline Meatless Meats - address
Date: 23 Jan 1993 11:39:00 -0500
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hatteras.cs.unc.edu

I'm losing my mind.. Someone wanted this address, but I've
lost their e-mail address. Sorry to clutter the net.

Heartline Meatless Meats can be ordered from:

Lumen Foods Corp. 
409 Scott Street
Lake Charles, LA 70601
(318) 436-6748
Fax: (318) 436-1769

What I have is a small order form/price sheet (about 3 pages) 
that gives a brief description of the product/packaging and
a list of flavors/styles. The things available are:
small packages- 8 oz. dried (= 1 lb reconstituted) of a number
	of flavors/styles
large packages - 5 lb. dried - of a limited number of flavors/
	styles, plus low-fat, etc. styles.
LARGE packages - 25 lb. dried -- of limited selection
snack products - jerkies, etc. of different flavors/styles
cajun bean soup mixes -- dried beans + flavoring packages.
	(I got some of these and they are HOT; I use extra
	beans to tone it down a bit.)

I found the service quite good. 

Eileen

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,sci.med.nutrition
From: julien@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Keywords: glass of water
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:18:08 GMT

In article <C1G8Cq.KwG@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, oldman@coos.dartmouth.edu (Prakash Das) writes:>

(Stuff deleted)
> 
> WRONG.
> Drinking a very large quantity of water is deadly in that it can rapidly
> lead to death. I was just going through "The Wellness Encyclopedia"
> (published by the University of California, Berkeley) the other
> day, and it had a section on the question whether eight glasses 
> of water IS the appropriate quantity to drink everyday. (The answer,
> btw, is yes, but it doesn't have to be water, any liquid is fine).

 (Stuff deleted)
My question is how many ounces is in "one glass"?

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: chocolate -- what's the story
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:54:43 GMT


I know that *milk* chocalate is not vegan, but is standard chocolate, say
a hershey's bar or a snickers, vegetarian? and if not, why not.

--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: +1 519 663 3789                P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108          London, Canada N6A 5K8
Yes Mr. Chocolate Chip Cookie, you *do* have reason to be nervous...
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: Milk and calcium
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:16:38 GMT

I can't help with lots of your points, but I do know that calcium is only one
part of the brittle bone (osteoporosis) problem in older women. Taking
calcium supplements or ingesting lots of dairy products or any other calcium
source will not do the whole trick if you still lead a sedentary lifestyle.
You need to stress those bones by challenging your muscles if you want to
keep good bone density, particularly in old age, when one tends to have
slowed down.
And women have the hormonal changes of menopause to deal with too.
From: d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Canola
Summary: What is it?
Keywords: Vitamin K
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:18:02 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

My mother has recently suffered from a blood-clot, and has to avoid
vitamin K (that helps coagulation). The trouble has been to find out
what things contain this vitamin. Anyway, in an american paper she has
found that canola has an extremely high level of vitamin K. 

Question: What is canola made of? I know on which shelf it could be
found at QFC in Seattle, but I did never check what it was made from.
Can anyone enlighten us? 

I'll post some delicious recepie in excange, but not tonight, as I'm
to sleepy to manage translation.

Thanks for any help.




-- 
Hillevi Gavel		"The child may not be subject to corporal punishment 
Stockholm		or other abusive treatment" 
Sweden			-- Swedish law
From: c60b-3kx@web-3h.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Travelling vegan - USA
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:07:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3h.berkeley.edu
Summary: Assorted reflections on my trip
Originator: c60b-3kx@web-3h.berkeley.edu

I just returned from a cross-country trip and I thought I'd share some notes
on traveling vegetarian and other things.

My friend and I brought about $30 worth of bulk dried foods to snack on in
the car.  We ate it all!  I suggest doing this as it ensures that you won't
end up buying overpriced junk food.

When passing through big cities, hit a health food store for some produce and
a loaf of bread, etc.

Take the restaurant list from rec.food.veg with you!
We ate delicious vegetarian meals in Houston, New Orleans, and Washington DC
(DC is a great environment for vegetarians - there are special window
stickers identifying restaurants that serve vegetarian meals!)

Being a vegan, I found it especially difficult to find a good meal on the
road.  There is a growing chain of Italian restaurants called "The Olive
Garden".  They seem to be springing up all over the place.  You can get
vegan soup, or spaghetti.  Make sure you get oil and vinegar dressing on your
salad instead of "cheesy Italian" and hold the croutons if you are vegan.
(We received soy sauce instead of oil by mistake!)  I've eaten there twice:
at the first one the soup was delicious, the second time it was terrible.

At the restaurant next door to the motel we stayed at in Lafayette,
Louisiana there was a big banner hanging with a picture of a rooster that
said "Welcome Cockfighters".  It was very disturbing (definite photo-op).
I thought that cockfighting was against the law or at least frowned upon by
most communities.

Be Prepared!

--
Leor Jacobi              ,__o |"Feather-pecking and cannibalism easily become
leor@ocf.berkeley.edu  _-\_<, | serious vices among birds kept under intensive
		      (*)/'(*)| conditions.  They mean lower productivity and
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| lost profits."   --  The Farming Express
From: mikem@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Michael McCaffrey)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: REQUEST: recipes for 'okara'/tempeh
Summary: two different views of the soy bean
Keywords: soybean, okara, tempeh
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:30:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: csus.1993Jan27.023050.28641
Organization: San Francisco State University

okara is the slurry left in producing tofu. dried, and flavoured,
sliced - it is a lovely addition to any meal.

tempeh is soybean, ferment & packed in cakes. again flavoured,
etc.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegan Sweedish meetballs
From: acs_bell@uwrf.edu (Jill Belscamper)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:22:39 -0600
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4Lines: 5

don't forget to add nutmeg and allspice to those swedish meatballs or they 
won't taste very swedish.  A little thyme wouldn't hurt either.

Jill

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
From: carlj@hpcvmcdj.cv.hp.com (Carl Johnson)
Subject: Re: Toxic water was Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:35:57 GMT

zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel) writes:
: The original poster recommended drinking distilled water
: during a "water fast" which seems that one consumes water only,
: nothing else. This seems potentially dangerous to me.

I question whether the difference in osmotic pressure between normal tap
water is significantly different than distilled water.  I think most
bodily fluids are a little less than 1% salts, but I doubt that any
drinkable tap water would be much over .05% salts.  I suspect the
difference is insignificant to normal cells, so tap (or stream or lake)
water should have exectly the same effect as distilled water.
-- 

Carl Johnson              carlj@cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Organization: Pitzer College
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:04:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.184751.15428@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>In article <1jihnsINNl6j@pandora.sdsu.edu> guest@voyager3.sdsu.edu (Guest 
User) writes:
>>Is beef a 'Manly' diet ? One thing I notice from this newsgroup and my
>>personal experience, more women are switching to vegetarian diet than>>
men. Is it the conditioning of the western society that it is masculine>>to 
eat meat in general and red meat in particular ? 

Do I guess right that the first author is from South Dakota State?  I have 
been vegetarian for five years in the middle of Minnesota, and I can tell 
you the cultural pressure on males there is much rougher.  One student 
said to me once, "Wow!  *You're* a vegetarian?"  When I asked her why she 
was surprised she said, "Well, you're a guy!"  I advised an animal rights 
group there for a year, and was the only male.  One thing I really enjoy 
about being in LA is the lack of this.  Half the veggies I know here are 
male, more or less.

>
>I have noticed diffent tastes in food in men & women.  Men tend to
>crave more caloric stuff, larger size I guess.
>
And still do.  My wife tries to cook with less and less oil, which only 
drives me back to the potato chips.  ;-)

>I remember reading some feminst book awhile back stating your opinions
>and going deeper comparing our "meat culture" to the oppression of women.
I believe there is a movement called "eco-feminism" (perhaps unhyphenated) 
that does follow this line of thought.  I saw the book review of Adams' 
book, but haven't read it.

>By scholarly stds it left much to be desired but it was very interesting
Why?  I'd like to know.

BTW, Tara, can we put "I eat tofu, and I vote" on a bumpersticker and mail 
it to Bill?  Perhaps we could attach a picture of a chicken factory?
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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.romance
Subject: Re: Greg Morrow's Questions -- important, please help answer!
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:23:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>In article <930121193733.20420e10@FNAL.FNAL.GOV> MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Greg Morrow) writes:
>>	So in humans, it's "Women are crazy; men are stupid"; is the same
>>generalization true in lemurs?
>
>Dunno.  Readers of USENET, have any ideas?
>
>
>>	Also, is it as peaceful as it looks to hang about in a tree all day
>>eating fruit?  Will it aid digestive problems?  Can I get a date by doing
>>so?
>
>Hmm.  Let's ask the people in rec.food.veg.  Veggies, any comments?

     I've always found hanging in trees peaceful, with or without the
fruit. And of course fruit, with or without the trees, will aid in
digestion by providing needed fiber, especially for you saturated-fat
eaters.

     But the third question is obviously the most important. I've
never tried it; but if you can find a member of whatever gender you
find attractive to hang about in a tree all day long eating fruit,
then I think you'd be on to something.

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu  |  "Born to die"   |   Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
                     Keep your values off my family.
      "It's not by amusing oneself that one learns."
       -- Anatole France
      "It's only by amusing oneself that one can learn."
       -- Edward Kasner and James R. Newman
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: taltar@fraser.sfu.ca (Ted Altar)
Subject: Re: Nutrional Content of Mushrooms
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:59:47 GMT

Chuck Tomlinson <chuck@ssc.space.umn.edu> writes:

>This is the first time I've ever read, let alone posted to this group.

Good for you Chuck.  Keep posting and help us out with
any good vegetarian recipes, helpful hints or reflections
upon vegetarianism    :-)


>I'm posting on behalf of my girlfriend who's curious about the
>nutritional content/benefits/detriments of mushrooms. For whatever
>reason, she hasn't been able to find out in the normal stuff she reads,
>etc. Any help is appreciated. Please e-mail responses to me directly.

With respect to nutrients, there really isn't much of anything
in raw mushrooms.  Hey, what do you expect from saprophytes?
Like those human "parasites", you can't expect much from
them  :-(

Anyway, you eat mushrooms for taste, not nutrition.
Here is some data with respect to raw mushrooms:

    COMPOSITION PER 100g

    water                92.6 g
    protein               1.8 g
    fat                    .5 g
    carbohydrate           .4 g
    kcalories            13.0 g

    total nitrogen         .64g  (60% of this nitrogen is
                                 non-protein nitrogen)
    saturated fat          .1 g
    monsunsatd fat        tr
    polyunsatd fat         .3 g
    cholesterol           0

    starch                 .2 g
    total sugars           .2 g
    dietary fiber         2.3 g

    Na                    5.0 mg
    K                   320.0 mg
    Ca                    6.0 mg
    Mg                    9.0 mg
    P                    80.0 mg
    Fe                     .6 mg
    Cu                     .72mg
    Zn                     .4 mg
    Cl                   69.0 mg
    Mn                     .1 mg

    Se                    9.0 ug
    I                     3.0 ug

    retinol               0
    carotene              0
    vit D                 0
    vit E                  .12mg
    thiam                  .09mg
    riboflavin             .31mg
    niacin                3.2mg
    tryp60                 .3mg
    vit B6                 .18mg
    vit B12               0
    folate               44 ug
    pantothenate          2 mg
    biotin               12 ug
    vit C                 1 mg

[from CcCnace & Widdowson's THE COMPOSITION OF FOODS,
   5th edition, 1991]


Again, welcome to r.f.v.  Take a look at the FAQ recently
posted by Tara McDermott and Abhay Bulsari's "List of
participants".  Both these files help the new reader
become familiar with this conference.

                       Cheers & welcome to r.f.v.,
                                      ted





Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: birthday un-cake
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:30:50 GMT


here at the office we have a monthly birthday thingy where we
collectivley celebrate all b-days that month without actually revealing 
when and how many...

I'd like to participate, but of course cake is right-out, eggs you know. And
they usually buy the cake seeing as there is no office chef :)

Anyone have a suggestion for a cake substitute big enough to have a piece for
each of 20-30 people? birthday pie is probably too messy...

--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: +1 519 663 3789                P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108          London, Canada N6A 5K8
Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time -- Steven Wright
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Subject: Cheese replacements (was Re: Meat replacements)
Reply-To: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:01:58 GMT


In article <19952@mindlink.bc.ca>, Greg_Dawson@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Dawson)
(well, actually Shari Dawson) writes:
>
> Then there's the *fabulous* selection of veggie "meats"
> (including vegan ones) from MGM Brands, based out of Scarborough,
> Ontario. Their veggie pepperoni (vegan) is wonderful, and there's
> a package of vegan salami in my freezer just waiting for me to
> try the next time I make pizza.

I've tried the veggie pepperoni on a cheese-less pizza. It's great!
My question is, are there any good vegan cheese substitutes out there?

I mean they've done a great job with cream cheese, sour cream, and
ice cream. Fake yogourt is OK. Edensoy plain soymilk tastes good
(still not quite like milk, but close enough, and it's the only
soymilk which I can tolerate.) But has anyone duplicated a good
cheese yet? Even one that doesn't melt? I've been able to find good
vegan substitutes for just about every single type of animal-product
out there, except for cheese.

If anyone knows something I don't, please speak up. Thanks.

-----------------------------------------------------
Mark Wisdom,  Bell-Northern Research,  Ottawa, Canada
Disclaimer: Above opinions are my own, and not BNR's.
-----------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: kevin@manilla.eecom.gatech.edu (Kevin West)
Subject: A question from a vegetarian wannabe
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:16:07 GMT

Hi, folks.  Around June, 1991, I became convinced (and still am) that human
beings aren't designed to digest animal products.  I adapted a lacto-veg.
diet, and I immediately started to feel better.  My concentration improved,
and my stamina improved, also.  I became very relaxed, and my resting pulse
dropped to 44 beats/min.
However, in December, 1991, I began to notice that I was losing weight.  I was
already pretty thin, and didn't really need to lose any.  My face became thin
and my friends and family became worried.  I also gradually developed an
insomnia problem, and by the time this past December came around (1.5 years
of being a lacto-veg.), I was rarely sleeping and was looking very unhealthy.
My parents insisted that I eat meat again, and I succumbed.  Since I have
started eating meat again, I have had no trouble sleeping, and my mood has
really improved.  I have gained 10 pounds and I feel great.
I suspect that my vegetarian diet was leaving something out and that I was
malnourished.  I would like to return to a vegetarian diet, but I'm afraid
to.  I thought I was eating a varied diet, but I guess I was leaving something
out.  My question is, what was I doing wrong?  Have any of you other
lacto-vegetarians had a similar experience?  I would appreciate some advice,
and soon!  I feel pretty gross eating meat, but I don't have much of a 
choice at the present.  Thanks in advance.

--- Kevin West
    kevin@eecom.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: FIT FOR LIFE plan
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:29:11

"u6684aa" == u6684aa  <u6684aa@vms.ucc.okstate.edu> writes:

u6684aa> properly, avoid dairy foods, etc.). I wondered if any fellow
u6684aa> netters have experienced the 'fit for life' diet and what
u6684aa> they have to say about its pluses and minuses. I will

I was living with a woman who picked up the "Fit for <foo>" series of
books because she wanted to lose weight.  (In retrospect, I think she
has a severe eating disorder.)  At any rate, I was a reasonably
healthy meat-eater: no frying/fat (hate greasy things), no sugar
habit, etc.  However, I was unhappy with my percentage of body fat and
didn't have time to exercise as much as I'd like, so I decided to try
one of the plans in the book out of curiosity.

Overall, I didn't really lose any weight.  I did stop eating red meat
immediately, pork within a couple of weeks, and chicken after a few
months.  About that time I'd forgotten entirely about the Fit for
<foo> stuff and was just eating in a much healthier style.

Now, 6 years later, I'm ovo/lacto with the occasional dip into small
bits of fish during my once-a-month sushi run.

--
J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311 (DoD# 0378)
"It is the cunning of form to veil itself continually in the evidence
of content.  It is the cunning of the code to veil itself and to produce
itself in the obviousness of value." -- Baudrillard
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