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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:10:43 GMT
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Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
:
: But you have also said on many occasions that the 486 is faster on integer
: than the 040.  While you may not intend to imply that the 486 is superior
: to the 040, your tone often does.  So you say that people are reading too
: much into your statements, but what do you expect?  Do you honestly believe
: that the majority of the readers of this newsgroup (Amiga users) are going
: to just sit back and say "Hey, Jerry has a point there, we really are a 
: bunch of idiots for not realizing that the Clones are superior."?
:

That's ridiculous.  I have said that the 486 has slightly faster integer
performance than the 040, yes.  But I never said anything about any CPU
being superior to another.  Along comes Peter and accuses me of saying that
the 486 is FAR superior to the 040.  Is that fair?  It's a lie, plain and
simple, and his Amiga user status does not justify it.

:
: Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
:
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM NO LONGER #1?
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:00:03 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

xmjs@nb.vse.cs writes:

>In article <2234@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:

>>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>...

>>What would have happened with the Amiga if Apple, IBM or Atari had
>>bought it? I often wonder about it...

>I only hope this is never going to happen. (But, might be Apple guys could
>make good to Amiga...)

>						Marek Janous

No... I hate to say it, but thank God Apple didn't buy the Amiga Corp.  
The Amiga might be more popular today if Apple bought it then... but 
it definitely wont be my favorite computer.  At least don't expect to 
run GNUEmacs, GNUplot and gcc on it.

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Marek Janous | Student at Prague School of Economics
>Important! XMJS@nb.vse.cs is WRONG. Email to XMJS@vse.cs or @sb.vse.cs

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
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From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:19:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.015213.12274@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>Ian Kennedy (iank@microsoft.com) wrote:
>: In article <hanscs.70.727359026@dhhalden.no> hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER) writes:
>: >Anybody got any info on Commodores AGA uppgrade board for the
>: >Amiga 3000?
>
>: There is no such thing as an "AGA upgrade board" for the A3000. Unless
>: you consider an A4000 as an upgrade board.
>
>: Repeat after me : AGA cannot go in ECS machines. ECS sockets 16 bit.
>: AGA chips 32 bit. Square peg, round hole.
>
>AGA cannot go in ECS machines.  ECS sockets 16 bit. AGA chips 32 bit. 
>Square peg, round hole.
>
>	Big hammer?

No :)  You size the bus to 16 bits by using intermediate glue logic
(assuming the AGA chips can't do it themselves) You have a 2M 32 bit 
dual port "chip" SIMM so you can recover your 2x or 4x bandwidth on video
out, and voila!  we have AGA.  Of course it will be slower than a 32bit
AGA motherboard, but it is do-able straight out of an ECS socket....

Speculation only, of course :)

Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu
From: ibennett@camaro.uucp (Iain Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 20 Jan 93 16:50:04 GMT
Organization: camaro

In article <C0z1sF.HMu@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>The Amiga newsgroup certainly is unique...

There are more Amiga newsgroups than any other newsgroup on UseNet.  I've seen
the IBM ones!  Ack!

>My point was:  Commodore was slow to support the 040 in standard Amiga
>boxes, and they will probably be slow to support the 060.
>
>What was YOUR point?
Commodore will not take too long supporting the 050 (if there is one) and the 
060. They recently announced that once Motorolla or any other company they deal
with upgrades their technology, they will have the technology immediately.

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From: linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP 
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:57:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.150708.26344@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>I would ot like to see beta versions as being freely distributable -
>they just give more problems than they solve. A friend of mine just
>tried to install this OS/2 2.1 today - he tried everyhtinng he cound
>and wasted several hours and finally got into point in where the OS
>almost booted... almost because the system decided to lock up pretty
>nicely. (and no, he is no beginner with computers, PC's or OS/2 2.x.)

Well, your friend either has a strange setup, or (s)he is just an idiot.  The
2.1 beta installed for me (on several machines) with no problems at all.

John W. Linville


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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:49:16 GMT
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Kevin Taddeucci (kevint@sad.hp.com) wrote:
: Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:

: > The A1200 is being packaged with Final Copy -- which isn't very useful
: > because it isn't very good --
: A word processor isn't very useful?  Final Copy isn't very good?
: Marc, do you own Final Copy, and have you actually bothered to learn it?

No, he uses WP/Amiga, and Scribble!....


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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 24 Jan 93 08:05:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan22.110215.6729@desire.wright.edu> jdemers@desire.wright.edu writes:
>are harder to dispose of then car exhaust, which will be absorbed by trees and
>recycled eventually. (At least the CO portion will be, the other chemicals I'd
>have to look into I can't remember off the top of my head.)

INternal Combustion engines emit:
- Carbon Dioxide
- Coarbon Monoxide
- Nitrogen Oxides
- Sulpher Dioxides
- VOCs (I don't know what these are.)
- Benzene
- Aldehydes and Methane (COW FARTS!)

Source : This cool bumper sticker I got from Greenpeace, but don't
want to put on my car.

P.S. they also cause respiratory disease, cancer, smog and
global warming. (to be debated).

Ian "Why doesn't Greenpeace use Harpoon missiles on whalers?" Kennedy
-- 
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:38:27 GMT
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Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: In article <1jva4gINNman@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
: >The existence of global warming is currently unknown.  

: "Unknown"???  It exists, it's there, it's an undebatable effect. Today. 
: Here. Everywhere. Nobody can ignore it anymore. If he does, he is a
: criminal.

Better send all those scientists off to jail then... I know they'll be 
pissed...

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:55:57 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <+jk38#=@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>
>Well, you're certainly right about the CBM situation, but the Toaster is
>another thing entirely.
>
>1> The Toaster is NewTek's problem, not Commodore's, 
>2> The Toaster is being advertised as a total video workstation for $4500, not
>   as an Amiga card - so it wouldn't help Amiga sales much anyway...
>
>Why doesn't everyone in the free world know about the Toaster? NewTek's not 
>telling them. 

Well, someone other said something like "without the Toaster, the Amiga and
Commodore were dead". This is *not* so:

Please note that there is no PAL version of the Toaster and obviously won't
be. So the Toaster is NTSC and thus USA (plus Canada?) *only*. But as also 
many people know, the Amiga sells very well in Europe, where we don't have 
NTSC and thus no Toaster. So in the end, the Amiga *can* live without it.

>We've got to stop trying to sell Amigas based on the Video Toaster - the
>markets are almost completely different. 

Oh, but it's *nice* when you have it! If I were in USA, I also would
heavily promote it for the Amiga.

>Most - almost ALL - of the people who
>buy Amigas will never own a Toaster, and the kind of people that buy Toasters
>aren't really buying Amigas - they're buying this $5000 video station that just
>happens to have an Amiga inside - they wouldn't care if it was running with a
>VIC-20 if it still did all of the wonderful things it does.

Well, there are many video hobbyist out today. And I still think that most
of them are more technically educated *and* interested than some average
person. So I think that such a hobbyist sure is interested to look behind
that front and recognize what's in it, and he will hear of the Amiga before
he buys the Toaster. Ok, not in every case, but statistically more often
than the average. There is a line between a "simple" video hobbyist, who
just has a camera to film his kids, and a person who processes the films
afterwards with some more or less ambitious devices. The latter ones are
clearly a market segment for Amigas.

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Announcing a new GUI
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:10:35 GMT

In article <1k1enbINNeck@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll) writes:
>
>DISCLAIMER:   :) :) :) :) :) :)
>
>Enough of this bickering about who has the better GUI. Forget Workbench,
>Finder, and Windows. SluSoft is proud to present a revolution in
                      ^^^^^^^

As a legal representative of SluWare, Inc., I am hereby warning you that
the use of the name "Slu" in any form not authorized by our offices is
illegal.  We intend to investigate this matter and will take it up with
the courts if you do not cease using the name "Slu" immediately.  If you 
decide to ignore this warning, not only will you be caught up in a legal
battle on the order of which Apple Weenies only have wet-dreams about, 
you will also have to pay the BLAZEPIPER.

>GUI technology:
>
>MALCOLM X WINDOWS!
>
>Yes, this is the most radical thing to hit the screen since rasterized
>displays. This software will rally together the components of your
>system to create a better user interface. Any component which resists will
>be dealt with violently. 

SluWare, Inc., is a peaceful company made up of hippies and children of
hippies and we certainly do not condone this sort of action.  In the words
of our founder, Slu "Gemini" Aspiks, "We love the Amiga, the Amiga loves
us.  Let's all just lay down our keyboards, join hands, and smoke a little
blitter-weed in our boings..."

>Sure, there are a few bugs; the executable file has a habit of frequently
>changing its name, and eventually stops working altogether. But for a while,
>your screen will light up with fireworks like you've never seen! Order
>your copy today!

SluWare, Inc. has not and will not release software with bugs.  We employ
over 50 former Clone users to test our software, and as soon as they show
any signs of computer-literacy, we let them go.  We have even heard that
some of the Clone users who read this newsgroup would be able to comprehend
our software and use it in a productive manner.

:-) for the humor-challenged bozos out there...

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Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:55:05 GMT

In article <1jn74kINNlet@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>In article <1jn4ikINN7rh@phakt.usc.edu>, David Leslie (dleslie@phakt.usc.edu) wrote:
>: 	So, which do you drive, electric, or natural gas powered? I'm
>
>Public transportation, actually.  Milwaukee has a relatively decent
>bus system, though it's just a tad on the pricey side.  Anyways, this
>is the "happiest medium" I've been able to live with.  I don't drive
>personally.  Don't even have a license.  I've been able to survive
>like this for all of my years in HS and now at the university.

Alas, such is not the case in most of the US.  Public transportation is
virtually non-existent in much of the South, except in a few of the bigger
cities.  Cars and trucks (especially trucks) are essential to many folks
livelihood down here and an all-out ban would be devastating.  

However, should electric cars and trucks be developed which can compete
with gas-powered vehicles in terms of power and price, folks would probably
begin to switch.  I would love to, but the fact is that there are no 
practical alternatives to gas-powered vehicles at the moment.  It looks like
things may change in the future, but it seems to be taking a long time.

Anyone want to guess whether or not we'd be worrying about a certain pissy 
little Middle-Eastern country if we were not so dependent on oil?

>: sure with such strong opinions you would never get in a gas powered
>: vehicle. Say, how long can you drive an electric car with the radio
>
>I generally don't.
>
>: and heater and windshield wipers and defroster on? About 2 hours? 
>: Uphill? 45 minutes? What if you want visit Grandma in the next county,
>: guess you have to buy a second(gas) car for those special occasions.
>
>Or you'd get an automobile that can do BOTH.  It uses electricity for
>short trips (An 8-hour drive in the city would drain the battery, and
>you'd have to charge it for 8 more), and then gasoline (but it could
>be converted to natural gas, safer and cheaper) for the "long haul".

Hydrogen, man, the future is hydrogen!  :-)

>The car I was just speaking of _EXISTS_.  It's why I mentioned it.  I
>saw a report on it in some European show.

The problem is that we need to be able to buy them instead of just seeing
them on tv shows.  I don't know what the deal is, but it's obvious that
the technology is there, but some idiots won't let it out.

Hmm, maybe Commodore is really behind it all...  :-)

>Greg
>
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From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:50:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C1EuCC.58A
Distribution: world
Organization: a gora

>> Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>> and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?


  Because it's not needed.  Also, "." and ".." are valid Amiga file names.
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:22:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>who wouldn't pay for software if it came out of the monitor and blew them.

Is this software for sale yet?


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:29:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.165721.25897@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>I don't know about the average, but I can get a 486 PC, for less than the
>price of an A4000, which will blow the A4000 away in terms of graphics.  A
>graphics adapter with the S3 801 accelerator, for example, achieves X
>performance close to that of the HP Snake.  Get the localbus version, and the
>Amiga can't hold a candle to it.

	Jerry, I thought we settled this argument and declared you the
loser! Once again, AGA can do the following:

-double buffering
-sprites
-advanced viewports, superbitmaps, scrolling
-palette sharing
-interleaved bitmaps
-mode promotion
-multiple screens; new 'attached' screens
-PAL/NTSC compatible video outputs
-all screenmodes supports all color modes!
-262,144 colors onscreen in any resolution
-fast full screen animation
-inexpensive genlocking and video boards 
-composite and RGB outputs, SVGA compatible display devices

>I myself don't care too much about animation -- I believe a decent VGA
>is good enough for games, and I don't do any video or other presentations.

	JERRY HAS SPOKEN. Just because *YOU* don't care about video and 
animation does not mean that SVGA is better than AGA! And games on the Amiga
have much more potential than those on cheesy IBM's.


In article <1993Jan26.165721.25897@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>I don't know about the average, but I can get a 486 PC, for less than the
>price of an A4000, which will blow the A4000 away in terms of graphics.  



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>|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
>+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+


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From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:59:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.164542.28799@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
>Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?

Hehe.  You got one of my pet peeves with AmigaShell.  WHy it doesn't
support . and .., I have no idea.  You even have to use "" for current
directory because . is missing as well.  I got used to the "cd /"
nomenclature, tho.  And the MSDOS "\" is completly stupid.

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