From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Demonic Christian Beliefs
Date: 3 Oct 1992 04:52:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) sez:
 
 
|bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) writes:
|
|
|> 
|>parsons@cis.ksu.edu (Scott S Parish ) sez:
|> 
|> 
|>|David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
|>|
|>|[...deletions...]
|>|>Exactly my point---it is this irrational WRONG belief that
|>				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> This is one point I agree. I it is irrational.
|>	
|>|>causes so much pain and mental bondage.
|>|>[...] 
|>|
|>|>You will find that people "demonically posessed" are very
|>|>sick mentally, or sick emotionally, of very much in need
|>|>of attention to keep the loneliness at bay.
|>|
|>|You need to get into contact with some missionaries who have
|>|any time in the field, then you will see that you are the one 
|>|who has a wrong belief about demonic possession.  However,
 
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|>|don't profess to be an expert.  There is a difference between 
|>|possession and oppression by demons.  
|>                              ^^^^^^
|>	The problem with your position is that demons do not
|>exist.                                                  ~~~
| ~~~~~
|
|But demons DO exist.  Just because you haven't (or think that you
|haven't) come across them or been influenced by them does not mean
|that they don't exist.
 
	There is NO proof of any such non-sense. I could say that 
Pixies exist, Just because you haven't (or think that you haven't) 
come across them or been influenced by them does not mean that they
don't exist. The only problem is that there is NO PROOF THAT PIXIES
EXIST !
 
 
|> They are said to have no mass, take up no space and are
|>not made of any kind of matter, though some say that they are
|>made up of a kind of "energy", which is a yet unamed, unmeasureable
|>energy with NO source. This seems like such a shakey ground to 
|>base diagnosis of an ill person.
 
|Some more research would provide a better description than the above.
|Briefly, they exist in the spiritual realms, which can be reached by
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|certain types of meditation (esp. yoga - yes yoga!), seances, ouija,
|and other OCCULT practices.  BUT BE WARNED, DO NOT BECOME INVOLVED IN
|THESE THINGS.  THEY ARE EVIL, AND WILL NOT HELP YOU IN ANY POSITIVE WAY!
 
	Ah, but the "spiritual realm" does not exist. Please PROVE IT !
 
 
 
|>|                                      The majority of people who
|>|are under demonic attack are oppressed not possessed.  There are 
|>|different levels of oppression ranging from doubt to depression 
|>|to fear and anything else you can probably think of.  NO, not all 
|>|or even most cases of emotional problems or mental illnesses are 
|>|due to demons.  But demonic attacks can and due happen.
|> 
|>	I think it really the other way around. People who have problems
|>or mental illness start to look for easy answers, IE:demons. But at least
|>you don't seem to be blaming all mental illness on "demons".
 
 
|I know people who do like to blame every bad thing on demon possession.
|I also disagree with this line of thinking.  Although there are cases
|(probably quite a lot) where possession is responsible, I'm sure that most
|problems are due to something else.  However, that doesn't mean that
|Jesus can not help the situation, regardless of its cause.
 
	Jesus is dead, that would be like saying Sig Freud (spelling ?).
How can a dead person help ? Dead people tend to be of little help, their
DEAD, KAPUT, STILL, ACHIEVED ROOM TEMPERATURE, 6 FEET UNDER.I still say a 
good shrink is better than a corpse
 
 
|Yours in Christ,
|James.



	P.S.: When I put the file through the FreeNet spelling checker
I "corrected" some "spelling errors" (or what the system thought where
spelling errors) in the quotes of other users, sorry about this,
but
at least content is intact :-)


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 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
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