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From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: How to relieve menstural cramp
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:15:06

I would have liked to answer this by e-mail, as was requested, but
i can't figure out what of all the garbage up there is an e-mail
adress.  Sorry...

What follows is what has helped me, personally.  Persons who don't
feel comfortable with frank discussions about menstruation should
skip ahead now.

What i have found to be useful, for cramps and headache:

-Be in good shape generally.  Regular exercise all month long
works wonders.  I have a 30-minute walk to the university; this
helps me tremendously.  Also, a good diet is a great help.

-Avoid caffeine during the days you have your period, and a day
or two before if you can predict them.  

-I find my cramps are worse than average both when i am hungry
_and_ when i'm too full.  I try to "nibble" throughout the day,
to cut down on those situations.  Nibble doesn't mean junk food.
A half a sandwich, a carton of yogurt, some fruit or crackers, that
sort of thing is what i mean.

-Heat.  A hot water bottle can be wonderful!

-If you have a friend who you feel comfortable asking about this:
a gentle massage, just circles over the affected area.  My husband
has gotten to be a real pro at this.

Fortunately, i don't have cramps every time i have my period... but
they show up whenever they're least convenient!  If your cramps
are really bad, some of my women friends claim birth control pills
are a godsend.  They do have side effects for some women, though...
It's probably obvious, but talk to a doctor about them.  

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway


Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Hating Men with Full Force
Followup-To: soc.women,soc.men
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 02:24:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.172920.6324@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.224635.11431@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>)Of course, I and probably every other feminist on the net are going,
>)"And who the hell is Jacsun Shah??"
>
>Well, that brings up an interesting question -
>
>Is Jacsun Shah a feminist?
>
>If feminists are all for 'equal rights', then she's not a feminist.  But
>if feminists are self defined, she's every bit as much a feminist as 
>anyone else.

I guess I'd say she's a feminist if she says she is.

>Statements about what 'every other feminist' (even 'every other feminist
>on the net') seem to me to convey a false impression that feminism is
>well defined - usually, defined as what the particular brand of feminism
>the particular poster ascribes to.

Well, that's not what I meant.  It's just that I don't mind being
asked about well-known feminists such as MacKinnon, Dworkin, and
Steinem but to use someone who no one has ever heard of to smear an
entire group doesn't seem legit by my standards.

Next thing you know we'll be seeing Scheaffer used as a well-known
spokesperson for the men's movement.

Newsgroups: soc.women
From: avsht@sph.spb.su (Alexander Shturm)
Subject: HELP !!!
Reply-To: avsht@sph.spb.su
Organization: Center SuperPhysica
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 00:05:38 +0400

    Dear netters,

    Probably, you are very busy people, but, please, pay attention to
this message.

    Please, help alone russian 25-years-old woman with the one-month
baby! They need your help very much!

    Believe me, she is very nice, kind and sweetheart person.
Unfortunately, the living obstacles doesn't allow her to get if only a
bit of happiness. She is really worthy of compassion.
You know, this is wild Russia, where every natural human wish is still
impossible to realize... And she with baby suffer a lot from that.

    We (her friends) are trying to help her. Unfortunately we are able
to provide only spiritual support, but we cannot resolve completely her
financial needs.

    She gets only 60% of the minimal level of poverty (this is allowance
for the baby). More precisely, she will get them in the future (how
soon - only russian bureaucracy knows that). And this money will be for
both of them! You can not believe me, but this is the truth: being
converted to dollars, this amount of money is $3 (three!!!) per month.
It isn't a mistake, the level of poverty in Russia is 900 rubles/month,
the rate of exchange now is about 170 r/$, you can calculate yourself...

    I understand that it's impossible to help everybody in former Soviet
Union. But this is real chance to help if only one. She needs any help,
and you will do it better than we are doing. Any clothes (for her and for
baby), any food (the same), essentials of life, everything you want you
can send her in usual parcel.

    Since she doesn't correspond to any category of the people getting
Western help, she didn't get any humanitarian aid.

Her address:
    Priemysheva Elena Viacheslavovna
    Budapeshtskaya st., 89-1-13
    St.Petersburg, Russia 192283
Phone number: 7-812-177-0335  (she doesn't speak English, though)

Thank you for your attention!
Any your help will be appreciated very much!

Sincerely yours,
Alexander Shturm


P.S. Please don't answer me to this newsgroup, because I don't read it.
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Shooting in the Courthouse: Why?
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:19:59 GMT
 <1992Aug25.131512.8740@ll.mit.edu> <1992Aug26.042447.14746@midway.uchicago.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: rivero

In article <1992Aug26.042447.14746@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.131512.8740@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>	A man who walks into a courtroom for a divorce is no more than
>>	a common criminal with no rights.
> 
> Which is why, on average, men's standard of living improves after divorce,
> while women's standard of living declines.
> 
  There just might be other factors involved. Let's say that a man who has
worked his way through college and built a lucrative career in an engineering
field meets a woman whoes educaton is a degree in French Literature (or like'my
ex, dropped out of high school). Going INTO the marriage, his standard of
living drops while hers rises. That's a very common reality most people take
for granted.

  The one wealth that divorce laws cannot re-distribute is knowledge
and experience; no court can open my skull and scoop half my brains into
my ex's skull.

 I'm paying out roughly $1300 a month on my ex's debt load. I think I got
royally reamed on the divorce. BUT, I work at a high paying job and I run a
small computer animation shop at home.

  My ex, having walked away from the marriage with no bills, the good
furniture, the good car, the good VCR, etc. etc. etc. (I got to keep
the kitchen because she forgot we HAD one)  My ex, in her chosen field,
still earns the money any human, male or female, can expect to earn without
a good education. Her standard of living has decreased. My standard of
living (not having to pay for any current or future use of her credit
cards) has greatly increased. It is almost, but not quite, retruend to
it's pre-marital levels. My ex's lifestyle has dropped, but not quite
to HER pre-marital level. hy is this unfair?


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com  Middle-Aged Mutant Ninja Animator   |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  My ex used the credit cards to bludgeon the marriage to death, in     |
|  order to pretend that the divorce was based on financial problems and |
|  the abortion. What irritates me is that the same cash I am paying out |
|  on her debts would have provided a good lifestyle for a small child.  |
|  If you think about it, it's cost me $30,000 to have had my kid killed |
|  in that clinic.                                                       |
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Newsgroups: soc.women
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: women's place in life
X-To: KAREN GUTHRIE
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:41:00 GMT

guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes...
KG> In article <1992Aug11.211255.18984@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 890530m@dragon.acadia
KG>  (Darren MacKenzie) writes:
KG> > Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
KG> >
KG> > >S_>         I am new to this group and I'd just thought I'd share my view
KG> th
KG> > >S_> you.  I think that all you women should get away from the computer an
KG> art
KG> > >S_> doing what you were created to do (kitchen, kids, and domesticated lo
KG> lav
KG> > >S_> Remember, you were made from our rib!
KG> >
KG> > >Flame bait...



Hmmm...

F.Y.I.: The attributions make it seem as though *I* was the one who had
written the "women's place" post.  In fact, I was the one who had said that
it was "Flame Bait"...

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Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,misc.legal,talk.abortion
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Will Steeves' Posting
X-To: JON CORELIS
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:00:00 GMT

Jon Corelis writes...
JC> Aric Rothman writes...
JC> >If this were so, why did he act responsibily and elect not to continue
JC> >posting while his poster software was xeroxing everything he said?

JC>    I was not referring to the duplicate postings that were sent out
JC> under Will Steeves' id as a result of the technical problem, which I
JC> have no doubt were inadvertant;  I was referring to the numbingly boring
JC> restatements of the same tired old ideas which had been the subject of
JC> his innumerable previous postings and which he will no doubt soon, alas,
JC> resume.


Well, who died and made *you* the Almighty Poster of Original and Innovative
Ideas?

If you feel that you *must* flame, Jon, could you please redirect them to
alt.flame or /dev/null?

Thank you.

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Newsgroups: soc.women
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: Sexism by another name(was: Right to not support)
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:32:23 GMT

In article <5851@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:

)> I also think it is an exaggeration to say that *every* woman will dump a guy
)> like a rock unless he comes on very 'macho'.  And I do get the impression
)> that RS holds this more extreme view, which I don't agree with at all.
)
)
)Certainly *any* generalization is dangerous, but I think this is far from
)an unusual situation.  I've had this happen to me at least 3 times in the
)last ten years.  Now that might not seem like a lot, but I didn't date all
)that much either, so it's a not-insignificant percentage.

<classic story omitted>

Yep, it's fairly common (IMO).

My understanding of RS's position, though, is that he thinks it is not only
universally true, but genetically destinied!  I don't agree with that at all.

Going back to the problem of women who like jerks, the way I see it is
that if they like jerks they can probably find one.

The chances are that you're not going to be able to help them - they probably
don't see it as a problem.

There's actually two issues here - one is the best way to help them (if
that's what you want, though playing a 'junior psychologist' has risks of
its own), and the other is how to meet your own needs - if you really don't
want to hear about it, for example, but don't want to piss her off
unnecessarily.
From: dsm40@mcode.amdahl.com (Diana St.Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Hating Men with Full Force
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:37:28 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation - Macrocode Development

In article <21987@galaxy.ucr.edu>, starbuck@ucrmath.ucr.edu (aaron greenwood) writes:
>
> Correct?  You may think that most women hate or dislike men.  You are
> wrong, very very wrong.
>

Just for the sake of accuracy, could you provide some support for this statement please.
 
> 
> The words that come to mind are terrorist and fanatic.  I think they fit
> Ms. Shah's character very well indeed. And like a terroist she would like
> to vilify, fragment, and distroy for no reason but an unhealthy emotion.
> Her statements are the product of a sever personallity disorder.  They
> are without merit.
> 

Hmmm.  Maybe yes and maybe no.  It would be interesting to know how she arrived at her conclusion.  It might be completely valid *for her*.

> 
> We should save our praise for women of character, women who have made
> something of themselves and women who are positive examples of fully
> developed human beings.  There are millions of women who would fit
> that description like the the athelete that posted about being the
> first female to play collegiate ice hockey.  Or my sister-in-law who owns
> her on software and systems consulting company, or my wife who is an RN
> in a Neo-natal intensive care unit keeping babies alive, or the migrant
> farmworker's daughter who for some reason was able to change high schools
> over and over and still get a full boat to Stanford, or the single mother
> who does what she has to do in order to raise and support her children, or
> any of a million other stories.
> 

All of the examples you list are indeed good ones, but the question that comes to my mind is "Who defines character"?  It means many things to many people.  You obviously have one definition and I have another.

The statements to which you are objecting may actually have a place in the scheme of things.  Who knows, they might actually make some people wake up and think for themselves (we need much more of this).  They certainly appear to have grabbed your attention.

Diana
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights
From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Paul Vixie
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 10:21:38 EDT

	Please explain to me why this showed up in rec.games.mud... I've been
away for the summer, and now am thoroughly confused. :-)
From: DURFLING@AC.GRIN.EDU (Finagle, etc. Durflinger,Edward M)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: HELP FIND TAMMY ZYWICKI
Date: 2 Sep 1992 13:32:40 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

__________________________________
I am posting the following to soc.women and some other newsgroups becuase 
this matter of all matters should concern women and people who wish the 
world to be a safer place.
--durfling@ac.grin.edu
_________________________________________________________
WE NEED YOUR HELP.
	
	We are friends of Tammy Zywicki, a Grinnell College Senior who 
disappeared Sunday, August 23, around 1:00 pm.  Tammy was travelling from 
Chicago to Grinnell, Iowa, on Interstate 80 when apparently she experienced 
car trouble and stopped at the side of the road somewhere near La Salle, 
Illinois.  She was last seen at her car being assisted by a person or 
persons and a semi trailer was parked ahead of her car.

	When Tammy left Chicago, she was wearing dark shorts and a white 
T-shirt with the word "PRIVATE'" (accent over the 'E') printed on it.  
She is 5'2", 120 lbs, blond hair, green eyes, b. 3-13-71, and was wearing 
contact lenses.

	Recently a body of a woman resembling Tammy but with auburn hair 
was found in a ditch close to Springfield, MO.  Authorities have not 
confirmed the identity of this woman as Tammy, but it is know that she was 
wearing clothing that Tammy was also known to wear. If this woman is not 
Tammy, she could be the victim of a serial killer that also was involved in 
Tammy's disappearance.

	You can help Tammy and us by distributing this information as 
widely as possible. If anyone has any information about either of these 
cases, you may either email me at DURFLING@AC.GRIN.EDU or call the Illinois 
Police Department at (815)224-1150. 
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: FEMALE GYMNASTS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 09:04:54 GMT

In article <xfcn7gd@lynx.unm.edu> bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) writes:
>Having worked around gymnasts, I'm not sure I'd agree.  As someone else
>posted, the problem may be more related to the age of the competitor
>rather than physical strength.  A 14-year-old's skeletal structure,
>for instance, is not as developed as a 21-year-old's.
>
>However, this would also depend upon when they started training.  I am
>unsure as to when males typically start (though, if I recall
>correctly, Bart Conner claimed to have "started very late" at the age
>of about 14), but females often start when they're 6 or 7.  Given all
>the physical punishment in gymnastics, I'm not that surprised to find
>female gymnasts suffer a large amount of injury...but it's because
>they're so young, not because they're female.

The San Francisco Examiner did a four part series (sorry now that I
didn't save it) on injuries in young female athletes.  One thing that
stood out is the effect intense training and weight watching has on
girls.  Many gymnastics coaches seem to be especially "paranoid" about
any weight the girls gain.  Unfortunately, this means that the girls
diet obsessively and don't get the nutrients they need to grow strong
bones, etc.  One factoid I remember is that something like 2/3 of
female gymnasts studied have a subnormal bone density (which can lead
to bone fractures now and osteoporosis later).  The bone density
doesn't seem to improve even after the intense training and weight
reduction/watching are discontinued.  Also, since a very low body fat
prevents girls from menstruating and developing breasts, some coaches
stress low body fat as a means of keeping the girls looking very
"little girlish."

This seems very similar to the pressure on male athletes to take
steroids to improve performance.  In both cases, young adults are
pressured into practices that can have life-altering effects.

Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Hating Men with Full
X-To: MELINDA SHORE
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:03:00 GMT

shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore) writes...
MS> outrageous male-bashing.  And it's the men who behave in the
MS> most disgustingly sexist manner who are confused and angered by it.


Why are you so convinced of this?

Indeed, by your logic, since I am upset by this sexist characterisation of
men, I must therefore be "disgustingly sexist"?  If so, then why did I jump
over the person who wrote about "a woman's place is ..." by accusing him of
flamebaiting?

For you to say "If a male is opposed to male-bashimg, then he must be sexist,"
is as arbitrary a supposition as "If the moon is not made of green cheese,
then I am a monkey's uncle!".  And naturally, since the proponent is
*probably* not a monkey's uncle, therefore the moon *is* made of green
cheese.  Sure, it's a valid argument *form*, but as a premise, it's totally
ridiculous.

You can make any sort of "if...then" statement, but *proving* it is somewhat
of a different matter.

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Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: re: FEMALE GYMNASTS
From: loosli@bbs.mdcbbs.com
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:23:39 GMT
Organization: TRW SAFETY SYSTEMS/MESA
Nntp-Posting-User: loosli

>Canadian researchers say young female gymnasts pay too dear a price in
>their intense training for the Olympics.  University of British
>Columbia specialists who recently completed a 40-month study of 100
>top female gymnasts in the province say their injuries and hours of
>training compare to hardships suffered by children working in coal
>mines in the 19th Century.
 
I agree that the gymnasts who compete on the international level do put in
many long days in training.  But, I don't think it compares to the abuse of
children in the 19th Century.  Most gymnasts work out between 25 and 30 hours
per week.  The weeks before a BIG meet might see a little more workout time,
but not that much.

As for injuries, there will also be some when subjecting the body to some of
things that gymnasts go through.  I don't think that frequency of injury is any
greater than that of a high school football player.  I do agree that the
possibility of a 'career ending' injury is higher.  I also think that the long
term effects of the strenuous workouts and body twisting will show up later in
life.

Just to show where I am coming from on this subject, my 15 year old daughter
has been a competition gymnast for the last 7 years.  She has been Arizona
state champion in her age/competition group in 3 of the last 4 seasons.  She is
currently a Level 10 gymnast, which is right below elite level.  Elite level is
where the US Team is drawn from.  Her work outs this year are 5 hours a night,
4 nights a week, one 2 hour session on Wednesday and 3 hours Saturday.
During the 7 years, she has had some minor knee and elbow pains and last
October she had surgery for a chipped elbow.

Ben

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From: joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Women are inferior
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:51:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Sep4.175124.4053
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep3.193807.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> lams@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
>>>to try and make men look bad, else why the anonymity?
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> NO I think it was written by a man so your assumption would be that this
>> was posted by a woman to try and make men look bad therefore making women
>> look even worse, else why the anonymity? :) :)
>> 
>> Joni :)
>
>I don't really understand what the big fuss is all about.  Does it
>really make a big difference if a man posted it or a woman?  Why    
>are you all trying to determine the Sex of the person who posted it?
>Isn't it more important on what was said than who said it?
>
>Well, my name is Steven and I'm not ashame to say I'm a male
>infact I'll even post my E-mail address lams@acfcluser.nyu.edu
>I have nothing to hide, I'm not pro female or pro male, I
>believe in equality and I also believe that both sex have certain
>limitations!
>
>If you can, please be so kind as to explain to me why is it such a
>big deal?  I really don't know!  



Steven read my fingertips wit, humor, sarcasm.

Joni :) 
Newsgroups: soc.women