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From: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht @Sun Micro Mt View. )
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: More DCI predictions (long)
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:32:25 GMT
Reply-To: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: m-5

In article 2675@vax1.umkc.edu, ebath@vax1.umkc.edu () writes:
>
>My picks for the coming season:
>
>1st will go to either Santa Clara or The Cadets.
>
>	SCV will either win or die by Fiddler.  If, as I expect,
>	crowd starts a standing ovation after each note, noone will
>	stand a chance.  The only chance for a competitive finals is
>	if the crowd gets so excited with anticipation for finally 
>	getting to hear Bottle Dance in person that, when the stadium
>	is still standing, the excitement will instantly die.

I sure hope it's a big win. I talked to GR (Gail Royer) a few months
ago and this is going to be his last year as director. I really can't
imagine SCV without him. (or his spaghetti)

So, I want him to go out with a real bang. Win the whole shootin match 
and get to see the Bottle Dance one last time. I loved playing it.

BTW, when was the last time the Bottle Dance was preformed? 78 or 81??


Mick

Old SCV.
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:54:50 -0400 
From: David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Drum Corps Trivia Question

I believe the blatant one that you are talking about is Blue Devils 1989
where the soprano soloist on the Finals broadcast completely gacked
(technical term) one of the last solos in "If we were in love".  It was
probably the entire quarter or semi finals performance.

Actually, I don't think that anywhere on the recordings does it say that
these are the actual Saturday night finals performances.  As a matter of
fact, on the recordings it says that the recordings were made over the
entire quarter/semi/finals cycle.  That is probably meant for the
recordings of the entire top 25, but I don't see why other shows cannot
be "ethically" used for the top 12 corps.

deej.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Subject: Re: DCI sites
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.065617.21061@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>	Out of curiosity, who around here attends DCI finals regularly?  And
>also, of those of you who go, which stadium (and city) is the best in terms
>of anything?  Presentation of the show, seating, etc..
>
>
>Michaelw@coil.caltech.edu
>

I like the show in the Kansas City Chiefs stadium.  From the upper deck
you could see and hear everything, plus the parking was amazing.  You could 
actually find your car after the show and it was so spread out that you
were not driving around a lot of people.

kh
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Arrogant Drummers
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:01:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.135341.25489@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v060l9wu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo
.edu (The Skiing Maniac) writes:
> In article <1992Apr2.113424.2225@ducvax.auburn.edu>, jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes...
>>Typical dummer... I mean drummer.  Sorry about the typo. :-)  Yeah
>>most of the concussionists ( Oops! There I go again. :-) I know
>>tend to have that attitude problem.  I don't understand where
>>they get it.
>>                ------------------------------------------
>> ___________/|               Watch this space!
>>  (__|||__) \|          
>>                ------------------------------------------
> 
> 	Speaking of typical....
> How did I know that this post was going to be by someone who plays the 
> trumpet? I don't know why it is, but there always seems to be some 
> kind of competition between drum sections and trumpet sections...I 
> guess they are just jealous of us...because, as all percussionists 
> know, we get all the dates!!  ;)

Gee, then why are they always beating off so much?  :-)
Anyway, anybody who's ever kissed a trumpet player will tell you
there's nothing better; we have strong lips and flexible tongues.
 
> 				-Jonny B.
> My favourite bumper sticker:
> 	Drummers like to bang.   :)

  - Jay G.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: In the spirit which the composer intended it to be performed
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 17:23:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.150632.9055@cs.rose-hulman.edu> zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>I'm posting this for a friend. Don't send flames to me because I will simply
>ignore them. Flame to the group.
>
>I dont believe   any classical music at all deserves to be performed in
>this way. It is not how the composer meant it to be. When a composer
>writes music for orchestra, he wants it performed by an orchestra, and
  [music should be performed in the manner it was meant to be performed]
>
>Johanna
>

At the risk of biting on a sacrastic post ...

Let's see.  This line of reasoning implies that orchestral music should
not be danced to, since much of the music was only meant to be heard.
Period instruments should be used, because instruments of today don't
sound like instruments of 200 years ago.  Small ensembles (e.g. Empire
Brass) should not arrange and perform classical music because they don't
have strings.  Basically, there is only one way to interpret any piece of
music, and it must be done with the instruments that the composer intended.

Luckily, science is not done in this manner.  Too bad music is.

-- Donald
From: nih00@uts.amdahl.com (NEIL)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: hello
Keywords: drum corps and edu.
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:22:49 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In previous article, bignate@next09wor.wam.umd.edu (Nathan W. Holland) writes:
>Hello out there!,
>
>	I heard about this group, from a couple  of buddies here at  
>school(U. of Maryland),so I thought I'd check it out.
>
>	I noticed all the talk about scores and winning and great shows,  
>and thought I would lead away from the competitive aspect of the activity  
>by posing the question of the importance of education in drum corps.  To  
>corps members and the audience.  I know that I'm a completely different  
>person than I was a year and a half ago both in the amount of musical  
>knowledge I gained and my attitude about life in general. 
>	I marched Cadets in '91 and aged out.  I'm a Senior MU-ED major,  
>my instrument is the tuba, I marched Contrabass.  I didn't know what I was  
>in for when going to my first camp.  I expected alot of loud blowing and  
>had my doubts about the musicality and their approach to it. Boy was I  
>suprised!  I learned more about brass playing in that one weekend than I  
>did my entire first year of College!  And the things I got from the entire  
>summer, translate directly to what I do in everything from marching  
>band(sorry) to my performance lessons.  It excited me enough so that I was  
>enthusiastic about Music again after some real bad burnout.  What I  
>learned that summer is going to help me make my high school marching band  
>a great experience for my students, if the budget cuts get better in this  
>part of the country that is.  I just thought it would be nice to stimulate  
>some discussion on this topic so please respond, even if you think drum  
>corps is there just for the entertainment value I'd like to hear about it  
>and why you think this is so.
>	
I hope that your Corps director has heard what you've just 
said to us.  It would make his day.  For a Corps director 
to hear these kind of comments have to make all those hours
and days worth while.

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: netwise@teal.csn.org (Netwise Inc)
Subject: Re: altered CDs
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:04:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.192044.75762@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
>
>>Nothing like that is said in the recordings. However, this explicit question
>>was asked in the "Ask DCI" column in DCI Today. Don P., executive director of
>>DCI, clearly and unambiguously said that what's on the top 12 recordings are
>>*finals* performances and are never altered. I can probably dig it up if you
>>like; it was a rather amazing statement for him to utter, since it can be so
>>easily refuted.
>
>I don't remember it stated that way at all.  The way I remember it, he said
>that typically the recordings have always been considered a souvenir to
>remember finals by, but lately with the level of performances so much higher
>than in the past, they've had to reconsider that.

Do you still have the issue? Does anyone? It was a couple of years back.

This is quite distinct from what I remember.

>Clearly, the performances of 1989 BD, 1987 Troopers, and one of the Cadets
>(can't remember which) are not from finals.  I think that what was used were
>entire performances of a prior evening.  Personally, I think that is a *good*
>thing.  Why not try to get the best possible recording?  If a corps is "off"
>during finals (as is often the case), then I'm all for showing them on a more
>flattering night.  In the case of 1989 BD and 1987 Troopers, it would be
>awful to subject the poor soloist to repeated playback of such an awful
>memory.  They should let the corps director decide which performance will go
>on the CD.  The only people who could possibly prefer to *force* the muffed
>solo to go on the CD are those who dislike that particular corps, and get a
>"kick" out of hearing them screw up.  That's not why most of us buy the CDs.

How about all those poor souls who bought the video? Why do they have to
suffer? I'm sure there are people who don't buy the videos, dubbing their own
audio off of the hi-fi track. 

At best, DCI is inconsistent in their video/audio presentation. At worst, they
completely mis-stated their "bloopers" audio policy in "Ask DCI." That's all
I'm saying.

Speaking of non-sequitors, your message implies that the 1987 Troopers are on
CD. DCI did not start cutting CDs until 1988, and only the Top 12 were done
that year. Unless the Troopers secretly cut their own CDs, I'm assuming you're
talking about DCI's Album/Cassette recordings in 1987.

>                                                          Scott

Phil Earnhardt			pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc.			Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: PS. altered CDs
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:56:17 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <1992Apr14.001423.9391@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>	Trivia:  What corps was the first to implement asymmetrical drill
>                 designs into their program?

Do you mean an entire drill that was never or rarely symmetrical
side-to-side and completely eliminated those "our side kicked your
sides ass tonight" wars?

	Garfield & Phantom both did it in '83

This also meant that the drum line didn't just walk up and down on
the 50, but had to march a *real* drill like the rest of us.  It
*also* introduced many timing problems because the drum line wasn't
on the 50 any more because....
Bottom line - added a lot of complexity to the entire activity.

Am I right?
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: mokie@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Brundage)
Subject: Re: DCI sites
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:16:57 GMT

kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.065617.21061@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>>
>>	Out of curiosity, who around here attends DCI finals regularly?  And
>>also, of those of you who go, which stadium (and city) is the best in terms
>>of anything?  Presentation of the show, seating, etc..
>>

>>Michaelw@coil.caltech.edu
>>
>>:)


>>>>Right up untill last year, I went faithfully every year! I did like the 
>stadium in Kansas City, although there was not much around for entertainment
>(except for a few bars). I am VERY biased to the stadium in Madison Wisconsin.
>There is (as far as I can remember, it's been a few years) some shopping 
>centers, movies, restaurants and some pretty nice site seeing there, too!

Madison also has a great Italian restaurant -- hey Mike, if we go in August,
I'll show it to you -- great Fettucini :)

>--Kel
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>    Internet: kal@ftp.com		  26 Princess St.
>    Voice: (617) 224-6369	          Wakefield, MA 01880

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-- Michael

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Question
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:54:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.011956.21316@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeff Hawkins) writes:
>Now while Im not an avid watcher of DCI, I watch it whenever I can. Having
>marched in a rather large marching band the last four years i have this 
>question (please don't flame me on this one)
>
>    Why no 'bones (trombones that is)? Baritones are not the same to me
>
>          Just wondering
>Jeff Hawkins
>

I could be wrong, but I beleive it's because (1) Drum corps use bugles which 
are valved instruments, and (2) 'bones and  bugles are in two different keys...

somebody can correct me (nicely,please) if I'm wrong! :)

Kel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Kelleigh A. Lewis			  FTP Software, Inc.
    Internet: kal@ftp.com		  26 Princess St.
    Voice: (617) 224-6369	          Wakefield, MA 01880

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From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who?, Johanna, and Madden!
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.223511.20791@wam.umd.edu>, bignate@next09wor.wam.umd.edu (Nathan W. Holland) writes:
> 	So please write back.  SHOULD THERE BE A LIMIT ON WHAT A CORPS  
> SPENDS?.  And if so, on what: props, gimmicks, flags, instructors?  OR, do  
> you think limiting some corps would hurt the activity or individual groups  
> chances of competing(if competition is their goal)?  Would it take away  
> from the pageantry and splendor.  Keep in mind you don't need big flags  
> for your guard to place well(ie. Cadets '90 and '91).

Well, not big, but a lot of them sure helps.  Let's see, '91; S-shapes,
rifles, blue flags, blankets, another flag in three color schemes,
three uniforms, and about thirty of each, '90; three different silks,
(BTW, I loved the stained glass one) rifles, the shawl/scarf thing and
once again, thirty of each. :-)

> NATE       Music Education
> CBC '91    U. of Maryland
> Contrabass 

Just kidding, Nate.  I'm a big Cadets fan; loved the last ? years' shows.
I actually am not fond of the big flag props used by some (e.g. PR '91);
I like the precision shown in CBC's '90 closer with the 30 perfectly
synced flags a lot though.  When it's that precise, it's really impressive.

 - Jay
From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:04:18 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr15.121140.2358@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1b0G026M10pT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton) writes:
>> In article <14APR199211284480@rigel.tamu.edu> dlg5892@rigel.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III) writes:
>>>
>>>	I would love to see john maddon do a dci competition. Could you
>>>see his little chalk drawings all over the screen? :)
>> 
>> Someone already did this on the finals tv show.  They did the start
>> of the BD show.  It wasn't until I saw the drawings that I noticed 
>> that the show started with a tic-tac-toe design and moved in to a
>> geometric design.
>
>It was two-three years ago, I believe, and the commentator was
>drill designer Michael Cesario.  "Watch as this group moves here,
>this group moves here.   Then solid form, solid form... from linear
>form.  Was it the Cavies' show he was diagraming?
>
> - Jay
Well I know what I'm going to be doing tonight.  I'm sure it
was BD opening with tic-tac-toe.  Back at you tomorrow.

Neil
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 21:24:00 EDT
From: mary carpenter <MXC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: performances in the MidAtlantic region...

*sigh* I've been stuck in Central PA for so long... And it's been a long time
since I've seen a LIVE drumcorps show.  Can anyone give me a list of
dates for performances this summer somewhere in the Midatlantic region.
I'm in the mood to roadtrip.  (If you don't know any, could you give me
some direction as to where I could find out...)

Thanks!


Mary Carpenter              --Alas, the summer I was 16 I threatened to run
mxc117@psuvm                  away and join the Butler Vagabonds (smallish?
carpnter@gis.psu.edu          Pittsburgh-area corps), but the parents caught
                              me and kept me home... I was deprived! I want
                              restitution!
From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: the past
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:19:30 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr14.010047.23699@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>In article <3a7a02ftc3XV00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nih00@uts.amdahl.com (NEIL) writes:
>>In previous article, nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>>
>>The following are some of the local shows this year
>>
>>	May 2		Concord Pavilion  (standstill concert)
>>	June 13		Concord
>>	June 19		Clovis

	June 20		Riverside
	June 21		Costa Mesa

>>	June 24		Modesto
>>	June 26		Sacramento
>>	June 27		Pacific Procession

	June 27		Reno

>>	July 10		Stockton
>>	July 11		Concord
>>
>This schedule suggests to me that there won't be any Southern California
>shows this year (because there's no space to have shows), which would be
>a shame.  Maybe this is related to the fact that VK is headed to the
>Midwest early this year (what a hell of a tour that will be!).  Anyone
>know for sure what the situation is for Southern Cal?  I believe someone
>asked this question before.

The original request was for the Concord show and I just added some
other Northern Cal shows.  I've now added the Reno show and two in
Southern Cal.  There are usually more shows in the south but I know
SCV is headed east to Madison in July and I also believe that BD is
also making an eastern trip early in the season.  I think that I 
also heard that VK was making an early trip east or to  the northwest.

>On a related note (I hope this hasn't been posted yet), the Concord
>Pavilion show will be Sat, May 2.  You can order a tape of the show
>by sending $11.00 to:
>
>    Johnson Digital Audio
>    Concord Pavilion Tape
>    467 Saratoga Ave., Suite 627
>    San Jose, CA  95129-1380
>
>They say to allow 3 weeks for delivery, but as I recall they are
>very quick about this (I think I got mine 10 days after the show
>last year -- wow).
>
>Featured on the tape will be the Blue Devils, SCV, the Freelancers
>and the Mandarins.  There will also be the feeder corps (including
>Blue Devils 'C' ...) and a few ensembles, such as the BD brass
>ensemble, the BD pit, and the SCV drum line.  At least this is
>what was on last year's tape.  I found that the BD horn line sounded
>much better than the full corps, probably because the Pavilion is
>an amphitheater and just makes the percussion sound noisy.

I attended the concert last year and it was great.  What a great
way to spend and afternoon  sitting on the lawn.  This year it will
be an evening show starting at 6pm.  I recommend the tape.

Donald, I may have my people mixed up but aren't a director of a
northwest corp?  If so, will we see you in Northern Cal again this
year?
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang)
Subject: Cool newsgroup!
Summary: New to this group
Keywords: A-60
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:15:31 GMT

	It was about time for this newsgroup to form.  It is great to hear
all about the differences between drum corps and marching bands, etc..  But
one thing that I have noticed here is that very little attention is given to
the A-60 division.  Besides a reference here and there about people's one 
year experience marching in their local community, the A60 corps just doesn't
get respect.  Of course, this is pretty close to the truth when it comes down
to the real summer competitions (where the corps are offered as 'warm-ups' for
the 'real' acts to come in i.e. the BIG corps).  Anyways, this can be a subject
for later discussions.
	I would just like to offer this newsgroup a view of drumcorps from an 
A60 marcher's perspective.  I marched with the Mandarins (from Sacramento) for
a number of years and let's just say that there is nothing else like it in the
world (drum corps-wise and A60 wise).  Enough about me!
	Before I go, there is one question that has been burning in my mind     since last summer (1991).  When I saw Crossmen play their Pat Metheny Suite 
for Semifinals, it got me thinking.  We also played a Metheny suite of sorts
for our repertoire in 1989 and 1990 and it was really strange (but awesome
nonetheless!) to hear 'our' music  being played by an open corps.  (I liked 
their show a LOT but I felt that we performed some parts of Minuano much 
better than they did but that's just me.)  My question is this:

	What do the open and the A corps think of the A60 corps in general?
From: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: DCI Champs
Summary: who are they 1972-present
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:25:37 GMT
Reply-To: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


1972  Blue Stars     1973-74 SCV       1975 Madison
1976-77 Blue Devils  1978    SCV       1979-80 Blue Devils
1981 SCV             1982 Blue Devils  1983-85 Cadets

Thanks for filling out the rest
From: dlg5892@zeus.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: **** "Glory" ****
Keywords: glory,music,corp
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:12:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Does anyone know if any drumcorp has performed or is planning to 
perform any music from the soundtrack from "Glory"? IMHO it makes 
Carmina look like twinkle twinkle little star. 
	It would be nice to see some one perform the music from the scene
where they are charging Fort Wagner, right before everyone gets killed.
That was an awesome piece.

D.L.G.III Ex-L.B.J. Jag Drumline