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From: Cford@debug.cuc.ab.ca (Conan Ford)
Subject: HELP! Hermes 1.03B problems
Reply-To: Cford@debug.cuc.ab.ca (Conan Ford)
Organization: The Magic BBS (Debug Computer Services)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 05:35:14 GMT
Keywords: 
 
 

I am having problems with the 'login' and 'gus' programs of Hermes 1.03B. 
Both prompt with a 'login: ', and after accepting the user name, they do
about a 1 second disk access and lock up.  I do not think that they are
having problems finding the shell program or user directory, as if I chang
change the names of these it reports an error first.
 
Has anyone else experienced these problems, and/or knows of a remedy? 
 
Any help would be most certainly appreciated.
 
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From: dsb@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Scott Bigham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Zoo shells
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:10:04 GMT
Organization: n. Arrangement in an orderly or logical fashion.  See "miracle".

From the Holy Book of <1g1hv1INNgd9@golem.wcc.govt.nz>
  as spake by sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz :

> ZOO is Rubish, its a Unix Port....           

And speaking of non sequiturs...

Please explain to us, Roger, why a Unix ancestry automatically makes a
program rubbish.  Some of the most useful and powerful software on my
computer (LaTeX, tcsh, byacc, flex, indent [and GCC, but I don't actually
have that one ;) ]) were ported straight from Unix.

And I, Roger, can download a .ZOO file from atari.archive to the Unix
account which is my only link to the net and examine it _right_there_ to
determine whether it's worth spending half an hour downloading it to my
ST at 1200 baud.  Can you do that with your vaunted LZH201L?

>Why not try LZH201L and find out what a real Archiver should be...??!!

Let me tell you a story, Roger.  A few months ago, I obtained some .LZH
files that I _had_ to unpack (some software I was beta-ing).  To my
dismay, none of the lharc programs I had could understand them.  "Ah
well," I said, "I need to get a more recent version of Lharc."  So I
consulted archie and found what was then probably the latest version,
LZH201I.LZH.

I tried every version of Lharc I owned, Roger.  _None_ of them would
unpack it.

I _have_ used Lharc, Roger.  I still haven't figured out how to expand a
.LZH-compressed directory tree into subdirectories (call me
anglocentric, but having the on-line help in a language I can actually
read is a plus in my book).  Zoo does that automatically.  And when I
can't be certain that the archive I'm creating on this machine will
uncompress on another machine which has a subtly different version of
the archiver, I start to distrust that archiver.

I'm beginning to wonder if you have a personal vendetta against Rahul
Dhesi, or were beaten with Unix manuals as a child ;).  And before
you're tempted to shoot back a reply of the form, "NO! ZOO is
Rubish!!!!! [sic]", take a deep breath, count to ten, and don't.

						-sbigham
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    (but not for long)         | Darn Good Reason(tm).
From: rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: More about the Falcon
Summary: sampling rates?
Keywords: sampling rate DSP digital audio
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:17:08 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


In article <BzL1r7.JMq@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>Are you impling that the Falcon cant sample at 48 Khz? Or at standard CD
>rate (44.7 I think)?  That's bad. What if you want to edit DAT tapes at
>48Khz and dump them back to DAT? It better have those sample rates. Please
>clarify this for me.

CD sampling rate is 44.1 KHz. close.

there are several "popular" sampling rates (in Hz):

	44100	audio CD, some DAT recording
	48000	DAT (domestic)
	 8000	telephony, with u-LAW or A-LAW (CCITT?)
	22050	Mac or 1/2 CD rate
	16000	G.722 standard
	18900	CD-ROM/XA standard
	37800	CD-ROM/XA standard for higher quality
	44056	some pro audio gear
	32000	digital radio, HDTV, long-play DAT, etc

will the falcon support these (i believe i have read "up to 50 KHz sampling
rates" implying this is variable)? i think the most common are/will be:

	 8000	8-bit u-LAW mono (voice mail)
	22050	8-bit linear mono/stereo (Mac compatibility)
	44100	16-bit linear mono/stereo (audio CD)

what about atari/third party 8 channel adapter? will this be 8 stereo channels
or 8 channels or 4 stereo channels? what sampling rates?

how will the falcon be for realtime recording (like a multitrack recorder)?
how well would an $800 falcon compete with a $3000 ADAT (Alesis)? other than
the Alesis now exists, why would i want it over the falcon (assuming i could
and would write all my own software)?

thanx

-bill
rosenkra@convex.com

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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 11:28:48 EST
From: <EENG6826@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Hypertext editor?

    I wrote an Hypertext program. Its called CVHYPTXT.LZH or something
similar. I don't think you want an Hypertext program but instead one
of those programs that create flowcharts and ideas. Ie:

o Things To do Tomorrow
      + Wash the car
      + Eat
o Things to do Monday
      + something
           + after something

Carlos Varela
From: whitcomb@aurs01.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Llamatron-resistent joystick
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:10:20 GMT
Reply-To: whitcomb@aurxc3.aur.alcatel.com.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

In article <1992Dec16.193346.17480@cs.utwente.nl> baumer@cs.utwente.nl (Han Baumer) writes:
>Does anyone know of a joystick that is easy to hold, easy to play and
>does not break while playing llamatron? 

Okay, here's my ultra high teck whiz bang double joystick setup for two
fisted Llamatron blasting:

Two Wico 3-Way Joysticks and two 3-inch C-clamps.  

I've pushed in the rubber feet by tightening the clamps too hard, but
this setup works fine.  Oh...throw away the yokes for the 3-Ways...they
pop off too easily.  And I use some packing tape on the shaft to keep
the plastic handles from slipping up during frantic blasting moments.

That's it!

-Jonathan


**********************************************************************
Jonathan Whitcomb                    UUCP:  whitcomb%aurgate@mcnc.org
Alcatel Network Systems              
Raleigh, North Carolina              GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3
From: Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Closed Architectures Consi
Date: 9 Dec 92 18:53:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K.A44239
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

B>That's right... and PC programs assume internal speaker, unless
B>they auto-detect a SoundBlaster, AdLib, Sound Source, etc, etc,
B>and automatically adjust to your particular machine..

...and unless you have a brand-new, incompatible "extended feature" card, which
will NOT be auto-detected and will NOT work...

The difference is: Atari's system expansions in FALCON series have OS support.
The programmer doesn't have to "auto-guess" about the configuration, all he has
to do is use the operating system.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: barryl@mongoose.tansu.com.au (Barry Lightbody)
Subject: Mean-18 Atari St Version
Reply-To: barryl@mongoose.tansu.com.au
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:42:04 GMT

Back in 1986 I purchased a copy of the Mean-18 game Atari st version.

However in the last few years the program disk has become corrupted. 

Does any one know where I may obtain a copy of the program disk to replace the
corrupted one. I am willing to pay a nominal fee for the replacement disk.

In addition, does any one know where I may purchase additional course disks for this
game?.

Does anyone have any clues as to how to install this game onto a hard disk. I have a 
44MB removable hard disk so hard disk space is not a problem.

With thanks
barryl


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From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The Great Falcon Debate
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:01:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <1g97i7INNhfr@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>Leo, try getting your numbers right - the Falcons DSP has a bit more
>than 48k of memory to use!

OK, so it may not be 48K, but it is something like that (Note:  I am
talking about the total X and Y ram, not the P ram which can only be used
to store the actual program).  If you are going to nit-pick over details then
you could at least say how much private RAM it does have so I know next time.

- Leo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: S112397@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: re:HELP! With Freenet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:10:20 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla


I found out what I was doing wrong.
Sorry,
Sam Groves
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: S112397@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Help!! With Freenet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:10:56 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

Hi!  I'm having trouble getting access to Freenet.  My computer can't
find it.This is strange because I can ge FTP to find it.

I once(Sunday Night) got to Freenet but they had too many conctions
so I got dropped.  But now the screen doesn't do anything - no messages
atall.What am I could I be doing wrong?

The Beginner,
Sam Groves
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Me Again
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:45:17 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Yup - Sundog Cheat:/

Depending on where you are, you should be able to buy shields for around
350-400 credits.  To buy them, go to the weapons store, and click on the
Rapid Heal, when asked, click on YES.  Then, instead of clicking on
Rapid Heal again - go beside it, and click on a blank space. 
 
You will suddenly then find, that you have a shield.  In your inventory
it says 'Shield' - but if you get hit, it jumps up to 'Shield(7)'.
Makes you suitably tough!!
==============================================================================
| If I told you how much I needed this, I wouldn't have time to eat it!  ZB  |
==========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ==========================
From: lehmann@cs.tamu.edu (Mark A Lehmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: JRI simm upgrade questions
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:26:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: solar.tamu.edu

In article <Bz4BoE.7up@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> randyh@sad.hp.com (Randy Hosler) writes:
>[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.atari.st.tech ]
>[ Author was Randy Hosler ]
>[ Posted on Tue, 8 Dec 1992 17:09:57 GMT ]
>
>Hello all,
>
>I recently became the owner of a 520ST upgraded to 2.5 megs and TOS 1.4.
>Last night I opened up the box to do the Overscan mod and discovered that
>my 520ST had the JRI simm memory upgrade.  I have no documentation on it
>and so am hoping that someone out there can answer my questions.
>
>I want to add another 2 megs of simms.  How do I disable the 1/2 meg that's
>on the motherboard?  I saw one jumper on the board that plugs into the
>video shifter.  Do I need to remove it to add the extra ram?  
>
>Also there is an extra video shifter socket.  What's the story on this?
>Do I just plug in another shifter for the larger palette or do I need
>some software to enable it?
>
>Please post or email any and all information you may have about this upgrade.
>
>Thanks, Randy Hosler
>
Here is the RAM Configuration section of the JRI RAM+ board instructions:

RAM CONFIGURATION AS FOLLOWS:
1 MEG: Requires 2, 256K x 8 SIMMs in the rear two SIMM sockets.
2.0 MEG: Requires 2, 1MEG x 8 SIMMs in the front two SIMM sockets.
2.5 MEG: Requires 2, 1MEG x 8 SIMMs in the rear two SIMM sockets.
4 MEG: Requires 4, 1MEG x 8 SIMMs placed in all four SIMM sockets.

So I believe that if the JRI board is already installed, then all you have
to do is place the SIMMs in the proper sockets.  I didn't install mine,
so I don't have complete detail on this.

Here is the Color Configuration section of the instructions:

    4096 Color Palette upgrade requires an additional Atari Shifter
    P.N. C025914-38A.  This addition is limited to 16 colors in low
    resolution and 4 colors in medium resolution.  Though black and 15 levels
    of each color can be selected using the JRI 4096C software.

I hope that this helps you.


Mark Lehmann                      Senior Texas A&M University
lehmann@cs.tamu.edu               UPE Honor Society - Vice President
				  Lame duck as of 12/7/92
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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Best Llamatron Score
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:00:06 GMT
	<1992Dec11.132058.25810@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
	<1992Dec14.084130.19966@spc.nl>
	<1992Dec14.160143.15951@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: christof@wowbagger.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de's message of 14 Dec 92 16:01:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.160143.15951@informatik.uni-bremen.de> christof@wowbagger.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de (Christoph Koerner) writes:
| >A friend of mine plays it without the droid, gets to the last level, the
| >Ozric Tentacle (or something) and just milks it for points until he gets
| >bored. He's up to 7 mil I believe and could have restarted at level one with
| >>100 lives if he wanted. He says he's exhausted the game :-)
|
| Hell, how does he do that? Two-joystick setup? I haven't got one. One
| two-joystick setup, I mean :-) 
| And could you explain how to 'milk' the O.T. for points? That this
| should be possible has escaped me as yet.

I don't know about the ozric tentacle as I've never got past level 86, but I
do know how to get a big score. On the level where there is a Mandelbrot set
which fires off LOADS of homing missiles, kill off all but the M-set and
run around in circles with your fire direction locked. The Mandelbrot set
and the missiles follow you round and each time you do a circle you can kill
a few missiles. If you get the timing right, you can also let your fire
direction change as you go around so that you don't hit the Mandelbrot set,
but just the missiles. That's the way I know of to get infinite points.


--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Dbase IV C/C++ library routines
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:15:39 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

barryl@pissarro.tansu.com.au (Barry Lightbody) writes:

>I need to get done and I do not wish to re-invent the
>wheel for database accessing on the Atari.

There are GNU database accessing libraries that are Unix DBM compatible
in the /atari/Gnustuff/Tos/Gdbm directory on atari.archive.umich.edu.

Of course, these aren't Dbase IV compatible.  (Are they?)

I created a pretty trivial C++ wrapper for them too, if you're interested.


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 07:48:23 GMT
Distribution: World
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: "calvin bruner" <calvin.bruner@canrem.com>
Subject: falcon questions
Reply-To: "calvin bruner" <calvin.bruner@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:19:10 EST

A couple of Falcon questions:

1) If I want to have both VGA and true colour modes, will it be
necessary for me to either have two monitors (ugh) or keep changing the
plug to the Falcon (using a multisync)?  Is it possible through software
to tell the computer the type of screen to use, regardless of the plug
in the back?

2) Does the Falcon have a separate 32 bit video bus?!  That is the
impression I'm getting, however, some of the Amiga Advoc postings (yeah,
okay I read it - they have decent info sometimes) had stated that the
major failing of the Falcon was its lack of a separate 32 bit video bus.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: richard@op.ph.ic.ac.uk (Richard Syratt )
Subject: Re: Licence Transfers... who gives a damn?
Organization: Imperial College, London University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:58:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: op.ph.ic.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Dec16.194212.491@rivers>, ph9991_imm@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
|> It's me again from Moo U, and I have a important question:
|> 
|> I have a friend on this campus who's the ultimate left-wing supporter
|> of copyrights, against piracy et al. He tells me that before buying
|> ANY software from anybody here on the net, I should demand that the 
|> seller produce a software-licence-transfer-agreement form.

Sounds like a receipt to me!  Fairly reasonable thing to ask for, if
you think you're going to need it.  You'll have to ask your friend
why he recommends you need one - I can't see it'll do you any good.
He doesn't sound very left-wing - copyrights are definitely an
individulistic concept (companies are individuals in the eyes of the
law... BTW: did you know Justice doesn't wear a blindfold - you know
the figure with the sword and the scales on the Old Bailey (London)).

 How
|> realistic is this for you out there?  How agreeable is everyone,
|> (from a legal and ethical standpoint?) I honestly thought that if
|> I could sell my friend copyrighted tapes or CD's, couldn't the same
|> be applied to software?

Er.. don't know.  I'd have thought they'd be treated the same though,
you're not supposed to resell anything copyrighted without permission from
the holder, but as always, private deals are an exception.

|> 
|> Yours Naively,
|> L. Imm
|> --
|> larry.o.imm@uwrf.edu

Richard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: reeuwijk@dutentb.et.tudelft.nl (Kees van Reeuwijk)
Subject: opinion on '3D construction kit' wanted
Keywords: 3d
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:02:30 GMT

I've always been intrigued by the possibility to use a computer to
'walk around' models of buildings and cities. To do this, you need a program
that is a cross between a flight simulator and a 3D object editor. I don't
want the hassle with flight dynamics, navigation beacons and perhaps even
armament and enemies, but I want to be able to create my own landscapes
easily.

I have Master CAD, and its editing capabilities are quite nice, but
it does not allow flying around. I also have CAD 3D, and although
its rendering is better than that of Master CAD, editing the objects is
painful, and it has no flying around either (and making a 'movie' 
is a pain too).

I have taken a look at version 1 of 3DCK in the past. As far as I could tell
it was a quite nice program, but limited, and with the serious drawbacks
that I couldn't install it on my harddisk (copy protection), ran only
in color, and quite likely wouldn't even run on my Mega STe. I can accept
color-only, but not the other limitations.

Now there is 3DCK version 2, and I am curious. Will it run on my Mega STe,
and is it useful for what I want? Has anyone tried this program,
and wat is your opinion about it? All details are helpful.

If there is sufficient response I will summarize to the net.

=-=-=-=
C. van Reeuwijk			e-mail: C.vReeuwijk@ET.TUDelft.NL
From: buchs@solo.mayo.edu (Kevin J. Buchs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: For Sale: Mark Williams C Compiler
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: buchs@mayo.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Version 1.1 with manual and original floppies.  $25 or B/O.  I know there was
someone who did respond to a previous posting, but I lost the info.  I really
want to get this off my desk.