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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:24:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

>ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (David Ratner) writes:
>
>How does the Universal bench compare to real bench as far as results
>for most of you?  I heard for years that machines were inferior to
>"real" weights, but I scoffed it away as nonsense.  As I was doing
>flat bench and incline at the time it didn't matter anyway.
>
>Recently I've been doing 6-8 sets of U-bench, then sometimes a few flys
>as my chest workout.   I've been avoiding free weight bench because
>I work out alone.   I've noticed great improvement in my leg strength
>from machine squats in the last 3 or 4 months, but about _zero_ in my 
>chest strength.
>
>I need to change the chest part of my workout to get some results.
>I'm thinking of supersetting 8 sets of 8 of U-bench with something like
>lats, then doing another 8 sets of Flys or something supersetted with
>my rows.

1) Use dumbbells.  If they get too heavy, you can "gently" drop them.
These make the optimum use of synergistic muscle action -- that is,
all the surrounding muscles acting together to perform the movement.

2) Machines are okay, but free weights are best.  Why?  Because it
is much easier to move a weight in a particular, mechanically-enforced
"track" of movement than it is to enforce a particular "track" by
use of the muscles.  Try a lift on a universal bench and then try
to lift the same poundage on a straight bar free-weight bench.  Try
a fairly hefty weight for which eight reps is your limit on the
universal.  Do these on days separated by at least 48 hours.  If
your poundage and rep limits don't show you, the soreness factor will.
You will also notice that the soreness spreads over a larger area or
number of muscles with free-weights.


GMS
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steve Myerson)
Subject: Re: A question....
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:15:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.074318.435@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>It is a requirement for bodybuilding and the up and coming fashion is guys with
>little body hair.  I just spent an hour shaving my body last night for a body
>building competition this week.  All I have to say, is that I am glad I am not
>a female.  WHAT A PAIN IN THE ASS!!  :-)

You mean you have to shave that, too?

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
From: loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:09:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat %
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

|I recently had my Body Fat % taken at my Health Club via a small
|computer - the Futrex 1000.  I realize that this is not the most
|accurate means, but it was free. ;-)  I had this done early in
|the morning, before I had eaten anything, though I was properly
|hydrated.  I knew that my % was low, but it came out to be a
|*whopping* 0.5%.  I know that this number is _not_ humanly possible,
|and the margin of error for this machine for extremely lean/obese
|people is greater, but is it possible for a person's BF % to actually
|be too low?  Are there any dangers/side effects/etc...???
|
|Any thoughts would be appreciated.
| Mike D. Kail                          mdk@udev.cdc.com        |
----------

	Hello Mike,

	One problem that I had when I was low body fat.  Whenever I
would exercise hard and exceed my current energy storage, my body would
then revert to converting muscle into energy.  Hence, you can loose
muscle mass by low body fat percentages.  I also did not perform up to
my potential for running without the energy reservers.

	Kirk
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Wisdom of working two muscle groups in one exercize
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:14:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct9.191420.10497
Organization: Western Washington University



I've been doing palms-facing-me close-grip front lat pulldowns
(pulling it my chest, rather than the back of my neck)
to work my biceps and forearms (which get super pumped 
from this), as well as my lats.

I've also been doing Universal seated rows to get my biceps.

I've been doing 6-8 sets of each, in addition to normal lat
pulldowns.

My biceps get very pumped and later very sore from this, so
I have discontinued other bicep stuff for now.  Can these
exercises (front-lat-pulldowns and rows) be sufficent to
_substitute_ for plain bicep exercises?   If not, why?

The pulldowns especialy seem to hit my biceps pretty hard, 
so it is obviously working them.

JD
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: fogarty@jpljpt.jpl.nasa.gov   (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: A question....
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:37:28 GMT

> 
> Here's a bizarre question about an observation I had....
> 
> It seems every time I see pictures of bodybuilders, or even male models  
on  
> fitness magazines, they are completely void of body hair (or at least  
> chest hair).
> 
> I suppose the reason is that the lack of chest hair results in better  
> muscle definition, but is this a genetic requisite for being a  
> bodybuilder/fitness magazine model, or do they regularly shave their  
chest  
> hair (OUCH!) or get rid of it in some other way?

I just returned from a business trip to Houston and it surprised me to see
so many hairy guys at the gyms (Golds and Worlds).  Here, on the other
side of the galaxy, I never see anyone at the gym (or beach) who isnt 
smooth, or perhaps who's hair isnt trimmed short.  (Golds and Worlds in
Venice and Golds in Hollywood).  

That I was surprised at seeing hairy guys at the gym is just more
evidence that Ive been in LA too long.

--
Tim Fogarty
Computer Systems Manager 
SIR-C Project, STS-59
FOGARTY@MOOREA.JPL.NASA.GOV
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How much is too much?
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:00:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: unocal.1992Oct16.000033.12434
Organization: Unocal Corporation

>gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>
>>I have a somewhat related question.  What experience have people had
>>with the interaction of weightlifting and aerobic exercising?

I run 4-5 days between running rest days.
I work out with weights every 2-3 days.  Sometimes the run following a workout
is stiff.

If you are genetically lucky and/or have a wise workout program, then maybe
you can do both well.  However, if one competes against another, determine
your fitness priorities.  Weight control? Strength? Appearance? Skill in
a particular sport? Physical well-being? Then juggle workouts to fit your
priority.  For example- my goal is "skill in a particular sport"- that is
mountain climbing.  I need good wind and some strength.  The others aspects
of fitness come as a side-effect and could be improved if they were priorities.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,alt.support.diet
From: krin@wam.umd.edu (Karen E. King (Eglinton))
Subject: indoor ski machine
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: indoor skiing
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:58:03 GMT

Hi. I've got a question: I just bought an indoor ski machine (Fit-One).
One of the reasons why I got it was to start a good exercise program
working the entire body that did not have any impact. About five
months ago, I sprained my left ankle. I did 15 minutes last night,
and about 8 minutes this morning, and at about 1 pm today, my ankle
still hurts. Should I refrain for a while, or should I start with
five minutes a day, and gradually build up to 15-20 minutes daily?
Also, howcome the sliding motion of the machine bothers the ankle?

Any responses will be appreciated!

Karen
krin@wam.umd.edu

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: TAC@ysub.ysu.edu (Troy Allen Cross)
Subject: Re: Frustration City
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:58:01 GMT

In article <Bw2IpL.1zw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
 
>
>ARRRGGGGG!!  Does anyone else out there get frustrated with their muscle
>improvement ???
>
Yes.  I believe we all do.
 
>        Is there any hope of speeding up my progress, or is it all genetics?
>I am thinking about giving up because I am getting tired of putting in so much
>effort and seeing such little gains.
>
If I were you, I would just give up.
 
Because, if you are not lifting because you enjoy it, you will end up
giving up sooner or later.  (This advice, I believe, is similar to the
don't diet because you will just gain it back if you don't change your
eating lifestyle argument.)
 
If you believe that the benefits you receive from working out are not worth
the time you allocate to working out, you definitely need to change your
routine.  If changing your routine (a few times at least), does not change
your attitude towards lifting weights, maybe lifting weights is not for
you.  Try something else.  I believe, the benefits of working out whether
it be lifting, running, etc. is worth it.
 
And just maybe, this article will tick you off just enough that you will
show us all that you can lift and make improvements.
 
Just remember, that everyone is different.  Try many routines and create
the one that works for you.  I would recommend trying the routines that
are for hardgainers, like those in IRONMAN magazine.
 
Troy
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: A question....
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:27:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.194234.10347@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com (Jeff Heilner) writes:

>I suppose the reason is that the lack of chest hair results in better  
>muscle definition, but is this a genetic requisite for being a  
>bodybuilder/fitness magazine model, or do they regularly shave their chest  
>hair (OUCH!) or get rid of it in some other way?

 shave or wax it off... 




---------------+--------------------------------
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               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------
 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm
From: mlt@thezipline.Corp.Sun.COM (My-Ly Ta)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: lat pull up vs. lat pull down
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:13:07 GMT
Reply-To: mlt@thezipline.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thezipline.corp.sun.com

Can some gurus of fitness out there tell me
what is the different between lat pull up Vs.
lat pull down?

Since I am very new to the fitness scene...whenever
I try to do pull up with one of the machine at my
club. I am experiencing a light headache.  Could it
be, because of my breathing?  Not enough oxygen to
my brain? can someone advise on this.  Also I feel
much better with the lat pull down.  Can I substitute
lat pull down for lat pull up? and get the same result?

Thx
MLT
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question-TOO MANY SETS!
From: kash1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz(Kemp Ashby)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:06:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <brian.719089649@frej> brian@frej.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson) writes:

>6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:
>>Monday: Legs
>>        Total Sets for the Day:  4
>>Tuesday: Aerobics, abs
>>Wednesday: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
>>           Total Sets for the Day:  8
>>                      for Chest:  4
>>                      for Shoulders: 3
>>                      for Triceps:  1
>>Thursday: Aerobics, abs
>>Friday: Back, Biceps 
>>         Total sets for the day: 6
>>                    for back:  5
>>                    for biceps: 1
>>Saturday: Aerobics, abs
>>Sunday: rest

>     If you use this workout, then I agree that you should be doing small
>sets.  However, I dislike your workout.  I don't think one can adequately
>work more than one bodypart a day.  I usually do 12-16 sets of 6-8 reps
>per bodypart.  After I have worked a bodypart thoroughly, there is
>nothing left.
>     I spend 5 days in the gym whereas you spend 3.  We both end up
>working each bodypart once a week, but the workout that I do is the one
>that has gotten me results.  It just seems like your squeezing to much
>into your workouts.  My workouts don't even last an hour, but it will
>take 3-5 days for the bodypart worked to recover.

I agree with your approach completely. I too work each body part once a week,
one part per day, Monday to Friday (with arms considered as one bodypart).
Many people say that this is not enough. However, consider the fact that
when expend all your energy on only one body part, you can generate more
intensity (that IS what makes muscles grow, afterall) and hence need longer
recuperation time.

This is, in my view, the best mass-gaining routine there is (don't expect much
definition, though). Since I began this routine, I have gained some 20 pounds
of bodyweight(currently 250 at 5'9" without drugs), when I was sure I had
pretty much reached my limit.

Of course, I don't claim to be exactly ripped, either :-) but that can come
later, or so I keep telling myself.


>>_IronMan_ magazine) have advocated even LESS sets! I don't use forced reps or 
>>intensity techniques, but after a regular set of squats, I"m ready to collapse 
>>on the floor.  I honestly feel that most trainees don't know how to work hard, 
>>and so use forced reps (let the partner do the work) or many sets in an effort 
>>to avoid giving their 100% on each set (But I"m not saying that forced reps 
>>have no value).  Of course, I see gigantic musclemen doing megasets per

>     I agree that many don't use forced reps properly, but if done
>correctly they work beautifully.  I have had great gains at different
>stages of lifting by having a partner that allowed me to work past
>failure.  My old partner moved away, so I don't have one now but the most
>and fastest gains were when I had his help.

>					Brian Ackerson
>					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu

					Kemp.
From: pad@galaxy.nsc.com (Paul Denny x8349)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Rowing Clubs?
Keywords: Where
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:58:15 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara

Does anyone know of any rowing clubs in the bay area?
If you do please email me the details

Many thanks in advance 

- Paul
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Stupid (?) question about fat
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:17:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, max@megatek.com (Max Elliot) says:

>From article <1992Oct15.163948.21773@eng.umd.edu>, by georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark):
>> 
>> Your question is not stupid.
>> 
>> Fat is an excellent source of energy. It's good for athletes because it
>> provides lots of calories without the bulk of carbohydrates. This, for
>> example, is why "trail mixes" used by hikers contain nuts and seeds,
>> which are loaded with fat.
>> 
>
>  A valid point, BUT... It should be made clear that for the purpose of
>  supporting an aerobic routine, carbohydrates make themselves available
>  in the blood in usable form MUCH more quickly than fat. If the proportion
>  of calories consumed is tilted toward the fat side, you will BONK when
>  exercising aerobically for any continued period. I just don't want that
>  person to get the idea that they can eat 70% of their calories from fats
>  and enjoy success in a program of aerobic exercise. It just don't work
>  that way.
>

	Furthermore, fat is a virtually unlimited source of energy, so
even skinny people generally have more than enough body fat to sustain
them through vigorous exercise.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

   "Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"    |    My boss is a 
   "Not very well.  He doesn't look like one at all."  |  Jewish carpenter.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:04:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct8.230406.7659
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Washington University

glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner) writes:

>|> Recently I've been doing 6-8 sets of U-bench, then sometimes a few flys
>|> as my chest workout.   I've been avoiding free weight bench because
>|> I need to change the chest part of my workout to get some results.
>|> I'm thinking of supersetting 8 sets of 8 of U-bench with something like

>You sure do need to change your workout.  Try doing 3 sets of "all out, I 
>can't
>do another rep" type.  More sets are a waste of time.  Try to add 1 more rep
>to 1 of the sets each workout until you can do 12, then add 5 lbs.  Try

Why are more (than 3?) sets a waste of time?

I just went up to 8 from five:  8 u-bench, 8 m-press, & 8 dumbell-press.
I've tried fewer sets, but I feel like I don't even get pumped sometimes.

How about for squats?

Jim D
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (David Ratner)
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest 
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date:  7 Oct 92 17:05:55 GMT

cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.151004.14470@spdc.ti.com> wall@spdc.ti.com (Raj Wall) writes:
>> [ question about pec workout deleted ]

>Flyes are great, and I usually do them at the end of each and every
>chest workout: but tell the person who told you than flat/incline
>benches are a waste of time that he doesn't know shit.

>If you were only to do 2 chest exercises for the rest of your life,
>it would be flat and incline presses.

>Ron

I most whole-heartedly agree.  I usually try and do flys after my chest
routine, but all too often I see people in the gym who think that 5 sets
of flat-bench makes a good chest workout.  Didn't Arnold make _incline_
bench his staple for chest workout, not the flat bench?  For the past
9 months or so I have switched so I do incline bench first in my
workout, then flat bench, and I have noticed deinite improvement in
my build (and strength).

-- Dave

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 11:54:33 CDT
From: <U28022@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question

In article <9210052115.AA06956@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J
Green) says:
>
>>From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
>>Subject: split routine question
>>        I want to break it down into three or more days, as two has
>>become unsatisfactory.   I will probably keep legs on one day, and
>>parcel out my non-leg day into two or more.  Could some of you give
>>example of your 6, 5, 4, or 3 day routines?
>
Hi there. I follow a four days on/1 day off routine:

Day 1: Chest
          Bench Press (3 sets)
          Incline Press (3)
          Decline Press (3)
          Flyes (1)
          Incline Flyes (1)
          Decline Flyes (1)
          Trunk Twists (200)

Day 2: Back & shoulders
          Dumbell Bent over Rowing (3)
          Lat Pulldowns (3)
          Front Pulldowns (3)
          Seated Rows (3)
          Lateral Dumbell Raise (or is it "Dumbell Lateral Raise"? ) (3)
          Dumbell Front Raise (3)
          Dumbell Bent over raise (3)
          Shoulder shrugs (3)

Day 3: Arms
          Preacher Curls (3)
          Dumbell Preacher Curls (3)
          Barbell Curls (3)
          Inclined Dumbell Curls (3)
          Triceps Pressdown, FLAT (3)
          Rope Triceps Pulldown (3)
          Reverse Triceps Pulldown (3)
          Triceps Kickback (3)
          "Grip" Excerise (3)

Day 4: Legs and Abs
          Squats (3)
          Leg Curls (3)
          Knee Extensions (3)
          Calf Raises (3)
          Crunches (3, Till Exhaustion)
          Leg raises (3)

On my leg days, and occasionally other days I superset,
to speed things up and add some spice.
I don't vary the workouts as often as I should.
But hey... it works for me.


   X X X        X X X    Aijaz A. Ansari             U28022@uicvm.uic.edu
                                    The above are my opinions and
=@   =####=   @=                   not necessarily anyone else's.
                 "Hey! Don't slam those dumbells on my computer!"
   X X X        X X X    458 Playing uproariously can help unhealthy kids
From: crane@coral.bucknell.edu (The Whooping Crane)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Want to buy old Nikes
Date: 14 Oct 1992 21:39:19 -0400
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu

Hi.  I'm looking to collect old Nike tennis, basketball, and cross
training shoes.  Does anyone have any old ones that they want to
get rid of.  Let me know. (I also want some old Reeboks as well)
I am starting a collection because I want to collect something WEIRD!

Curt

reply to:  crane@coral.bucknell.edu
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From: matthewj@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (John Matthews)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroids
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:14:44 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Oct8.135957.371@decuac.dec.com> baker@westsd.dco.dec.com (Art Baker) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.212032.724@u.washington.edu> griffin@carson.u.washington.edu (Thomas Griffin) writes:
>>This scam was already discussed at length in the weights mail list group.
>>Posters there thought that IRONMAN had sold its subscription list to this
>>fraudulent company. Does this make sense to you?
>
> I suspect that IRONMAN's subscription list is involved.  My first offer

I received a steroid order form from All Star Fitness, and the ONLY
place they could have gotten the mailing label from is IRONMAN. when i
originally ordered IRONMAN, the guy misunderstood me and put my name
as "Thom Matthews", plus I ordered an XL shirt (this was when they
were offering such things) so guess what the mailing label from All
Star Fitness was?

Thom Matthews (XL)

-------------
John Matthews
matthewj@cs.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Frustration City
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:19:16 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: Engineering Productivity Group, Harris Corp., Melbourne, FL

mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:

>ARRRGGGGG!!  Does anyone else out there get frustrated with their muscle
>improvement ???  I have been lifting for about 5 months now and have only
>gained 10 pounds.  Now, my new roommate has been lifting for 2 months and
>has also gained 10 pounds.  I have tried to figure out what the hell is wrong

Gee...  I gained 10 pounds in 2 years.  Is your roommate on steroids or 
is he just getting fat?  If not, I'd like to see his training schedule.

Then again, he may be in his final growth spurt.  I went from 143 to 160
pounds in 9 weeks of Navy boot camp at age 20, and never touched a weight.

--------------------------------        _\/_
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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Stupid (?) question about fat
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:39:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


Your question is not stupid.

Fat is an excellent source of energy. It's good for athletes because it
provides lots of calories without the bulk of carbohydrates. This, for
example, is why "trail mixes" used by hikers contain nuts and seeds,
which are loaded with fat.

Fat is bad for your health only when your overall diet includes excess
calories. Since the diet of an athlete involved in a strenuous sport is prone
to being calorie deficient, including dietary fat as a source of energy is
not a problem.
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