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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Judgmentalism (was Re: Whose Truth?)
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:36:30 GMT
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University

tbuckley@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Tim Buckley) writes:
>>In <1992Jul30.151251.9588@dbsun.uucp> hulsey@dbsun.uucp writes:
>>> Then why all of the Christian missionaries?

>You might want to replace the word missionaries with advertisers.  In a
>sense that is what they do.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with
>this.

    Well, of course that depends slightly on the time, place, and people.
For example, in China in the middle of the 19th century missionaries were
divided into at least 2 different world views. Missionaries from the US 
had a pretty good reputation for offerring medical assistance and food 
without "strings attached" and without getting involved in local politics,
but European missionaries weren't quite as good at keeping their fingers 
out of local affairs.

    China at the time (early 1850's through the 1860's) was in the midst 
of what became known as the "Taiping Rebellion". Literally "Taiping" 
translated as "The Kingdom of Heavenly Peace", and it was started by a 
Chinese civil servant who had been educated by British missionaries in Hong 
Kong. 

    Because of the surface appearance of being a Christian movement, many 
European missionaries were strong supporters of the Taiping which they 
hoped would overthrow the Manchurian dynasty. Some of these missionaries
went so far as to smuggle guns and ammunition through the treaty ports
(Shanghai and Canton for the most part) for use by the Taipings.

    Unfortunately, as it later became apparent, the Taiping understanding 
of Christian ideals was somewhat skewed. For example, according to 
contemporary accounts, new recruits in the Taiping army were given 3 weeks 
to learn the Lord's prayer, and if they were unsuccessful after that time 
they were beheaded. The total number of people killed in the rebellion is
impossible to determine, but estimates usually place the figure somewhere 
in the range of 10-20 million, making it the bloodiest conflict that had
ever occurred up til that point in history.

    Eventually the Taipings were defeated by Charles Gordon and his so-
called "Ever Victorious Army", but in the long term the incident lead to 
a great deal of controversy about the role of missionaries on foreign soil.

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Intellectually Challenging moments in Modern history
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:12:00 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul28.195252.16870@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
> In  <mykes.0aeu@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG>  mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> > In article <1992Jul27.101910.28681@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson
> > > In article <mykes.0acg@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwar
> > > >In article <1992Jul27.034354.27753@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, j
> > > >> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> > > >> ] Women were never ever made criminals.  Doctors were held responsible.
> > > >> ] This is before Roe, since there has been ZERO legislation against
> > > >> ] abortion in the 20 years since.
> > > >> don't get out in the big world a whole lot now do you?
> > > >> forget about a place called pennsylvania?
> > > >
> > > Mike, for somebody who just told drieux to 'shut the hell up',
> > > just because he _proved you wrong_ in your initial, unqualified
> > > assertion, you don't have much room to talk.
> >
> > He hasn't proved a thing.  What has he proved?
>
> That you were wrong that "there has been ZERO legislation against abortion"
> since Roe.
>

Against abortion == outlawing abortion.  With all the legistlation "against"
abortion that you seem to believe there has been, why has the abortion
rate increased every year?


> > That I remember a state called Pennsylvania?
>
> That you're apparently unaware that Pennsylvania recently passed some
> anti-abortion legislation (which was in the news for quite a while since
> it was reviewed by the Supreme Court).
>

There's no evidence to support your claim that the legislation was anti-
abortion.  And it is unlikely that you can prove that any of the points
of the in the Casey v. PA decision will eliminate a single abortion from
happening.  There is already a well documented trend of fewer and
fewer doctors performing the deed - no doctors == no abortions (doctor
performed).

Now, if you want to say the legislation was anti-Roe, then I'll support your
claim...  Roe did much more than make abortion legal everywhere...

> Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)

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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: EQUITY and Barbara Jordon
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:09:23 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 13295@dg-rtp.dg.com, crosmun@mickey.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun) writes:
>If we're not going to blame Carter for the things that happened while he was
>President, then we can't blame Bush for this recession.  BTW  Why on Earth
>is Bush so unpopular?  I'm disappointed because everything I'm for he has
>been against.  I voted for him to reduce the size of government, it has
>exploded during his term.  I voted for him to cut government spending, it
>has exploded during his term.  I voted for him to reduce the burden of
>government regulation on business, it has exploded during his term.  I voted
>for him to hold the line on taxes, he gave us the budget agreement of '91. I'm
>understandably disenchanted, but these are all things that the Left favors.
>Why are they so upset?  Environmentalists have gotten the Clean Air Act and
>the Wetlands policy.  Civil libertarians have gotten the Civil Rights Act
>and the Handicapped Rights Act.  We've gotten an increase in the minimum
>wage, and extensions of jobless benefits.  What do liberals expect to get
>from Clinton that they haven't gotten from Bush?

Why don't we start with straight talk.  Bush hasn't talked straight to the
American People, ever.

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From: jjspence@IASTATE.EDU (Jeffrey J Spencer)
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Reply-To: jjspence@IASTATE.EDU (Jeffrey J Spencer)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:02:38 GMT

What is Dan supposed to say.  "Well I would probably take her home and beat her
first for getting pregnant.  Then I would force her to marry the father and live
a long and happy life."
He didn't say he woudn't care if she decided to have an abortion.  He simply
meant that he loves his daughter and would support her even if she made a
decision he felt was bad.  On tv this morning the bank robbery analogy was used
to illustrate how even if she robbed a bank, he would still be behind even
though she made a bad decision. It's not called being a hypocrite, just a good
parent. 
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From: alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain)
Subject: Re: Carter & BCCI (was EQUITY and Barbara Jordon)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:00:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.220259.25180@inel.gov> dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose) writes:

>Iran-Contra has resulted in maybe two convictions of essentially political
>flunkies who lied to Congress.  All of the big names (North, Pondexter, Regan,
>etc.) have either had their convictions overturned, not brought to trial due
>to a lack of evidence, or are just now being brought to trial just under
>the statue of limitations.  Not a very good track record after spending what
>$100 million dollars now?  And this is after how many years?  Plus as far as
>Bush is concerned, there has never been any talk of charging him under 
>Iran-Contra, JUST LIKE CARTER NOT BEING CHARGED IN CONNECTION OF BCCI!

	Please. $30M is a lot of money, but there is no need to exagerate.
As I said, you may question the value of the investigation (many do), but
at least there are some guilty parties. Even North, who finally managed
to get his case overturned, was clearly guilty, it was congresses bungling
of the investigation (by offering him immunity) that kept him out of jail.
Norths boss was guilty enough that he killed himself over it, which says
a whole lot.

	There are very few accusations against Bush, and they are as 
ungrounded as your accusations against Carter. That does not help your
argument, it just reduces you to the leve of the people you critisize.

>My whole point from the very begining was that Carter was connected to BCCI
>due to the sponsored travel and the large donation, AND HE KNEW IT, and not
>that he did anything illegal, just unethical.

	You said that. I'm just not clear on why the BCCI donation was 
more unethical then, say, a big donation from Exxon. After all, we may
discover in 10 years that Exxon has been funneling peruvian drug money
since 1985. I doubt it, but that is essentially the same position that
Carter was in. You are holding him liable for not recognising that BCCI
was envolved in criminal activity, in addition to the vast amounts of
legal business that they were doing.

	How do you feel about the agraculture loans to Saddam Hussien?

-- 
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					UMBC Academic Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain)
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:02:19 GMT

In article <crb2.711981623@Ra.MsState.Edu> crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson) writes:

>Well, that's buying off on the liberal media's slant..I saw the show and
>never thought that he said anything that was pro-choice.

	Right. I forgot about the liberal media, which quoted the words
verbatim. It looks like times roman to me, but I suppose it could be slanted
slightly. He said:

	KING: What if your daughter grew up and had a problem, came to you
	and with that problem that all fathers fear? How would you deal with
	it?

	QUAYLE: Well, it is a hypothetical situation. I hope that I never
	do have to deal with it, but obviously ----

	KING: What would you do?

	QUAYLE: I would council her and talk to her and support her on 
	whatever decision she made?

	KING: And if the decision was abortion, yould support her, as a parent?

	QUAYLE: I'd support my daughter. I'd hope thath she wouldn't make that
	decision.

The New York Times, in a fit of liberalness, did not draw any conclusions
from the statment, but did quote leaders from both "Opponents of Legal 
abortion" and "Supporters of abortion rights".

	My own problem is that, for Quayles perspective, he essentially
is saying that he would support his daughter if she chose to become a
murderer. Given that he is actively trying to make abortion illegal,
one could conclude that abortion is ok for his daughter, but not ok for
anybody else. After all, if your willing to go to great lengths to keep
stranges from performing a sinful act, then you should be willing to go
at least that far for your own kids.

-- 
Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.

					Alex Crain
					UMBC Academic Computing Services
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.misc,rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Whose Truth? (was Re: Free speech and artistic style at the NEA)
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:01:31 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


in article <1992Jul21.172912.27656@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco) writes:

>While I don't believe in statewide mandatory prayer, I do believe in a
>teacher led prayer in some cases. As the public schools are meant to provide
>a service to the families of a community, then if all the members of that
>community wish to have the teacher conduct prayer, and it's fine with the
>teacher, then of course they should pray. Freedom of worship, with no one
>in the classroom offended.

I disagree.  Even if you could find a community where all the children
are being raised in the same faith, it would still be a mistake to bring
organized (teacher-led) prayer into the schools.

There is already enough fear/lack of acceptance of people who are 
different in the U.S.  If you start processes like allowing organized
prayer in public schools, you only increase the pressure to discriminate.

Let's assume you have a community that is overwhelmingly Catholic.  Catholic
prayers are led in the schools, and are a part of everyday activities, since
every child in the school happens to be Catholic.  What happens when a
Baptist family that moves into the community, and sends their child to that
school?

There are two choices, neither of them pleasant.  Either the Babtist child is
forced to listen to the prayers of another faith (not good, IMO), or the
school has to change it's practice of leading Catholic prayers, and every
other member of that community dislikes the Baptist family for changing
their way of life (also not good, IMO).

No, keep organized prayers out of the schools.  They don't belong there.




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From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.misc,rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Whose Truth? (was Re: Free speech and artistic style at the NEA)
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:56:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.1992Jul21.145655.8032
Organization: Rice University

PLEASE stop crossposting all this to rec.music.christian!  It has
totally diverged from anthing having to do with Christian music, and
it has turned into so many subject lines I can't keep my kill
files updated!  

Ernest Mueller
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.misc,rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Whose Truth? (was Re: Free speech and artistic style at the NEA)
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:14:46 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


in article <1992Jul16.214455.1062@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:

>In article <1992Jul15.135518.9705@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain) writes:
>>
>>	Christians are being forced to refrain from inflicting their ideas
>>on an unwilling society. Nobody is saying that you can't go to church,
>>nobody is saying that you can't pray in school, nobody is saying that you
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>have to be homosexual to be cool.

>School prayer has been banned before, and unless the latest decision (I
>can't remember the State in which it took place) is repealed, the ban
>may be back.  Watch the news.

Some fundamentalists have claimed that school prayer has been banned.  This 
is useful rhetoric, perhaps, but it is a lie.

Organized, school sponsored, prayer has been banned in public schools.  This
is very different from saying that school prayer has been banned.  Any child
can pray in school - any school at all.  Prayer is, in its most basic
form, a _private_ communication between an individual and her/his God, and
that is still allowed.

It wasn't _that_ long ago that I was in school - there are plenty of times
in any school day when a child can pray if he or she wishes (this is true
for Christians, but I grant that there are fewer opportunities for Muslims
to pray - it's a little obvious if in the middle of science class you toss
down a rug and bow toward Mecca).

But the fact remains that there are a multitude of free moments in any
school day, and it wouldn't be hard for a child to find the time
to pray if that's what they want to do.  The problem is the parents, who
want to set aside time for their children to commune with God - another
example of parents fobbing parental responsibility off onto the schools.

If they want their kids to pray, make 'em pray at home in the morning
and at home at night - but don't make the school into enforcement mechanisms
for the teaching of religion.

Dan, would you feel comfortable if prayer was brought back to the schools,
and the adminstrator of your child's school thought Wicca or Voodoo
were the "religion of choice" for his/her school children?  I wouldn't.
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From: pedmonds@cs.toronto.edu ("Philip G. Edmonds")
Subject: Arthur's brother
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:31:52 GMT

In the radio play the narrator says something like:

   ...this was all academic to Arthur since his brother was long ago
   nibbled to death by an okapi (? or is it acarpie ? -- it's hard to
                                 understand the word ).

Does anybody have a clue what this is supposed to mean?

Phil.
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From: rembo@ossi.com (Tony Rems)
Subject: Mostly Harmless
Summary: Release dates for Mostly Harmless in US? 
Keywords: US book release 
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:26:06 GMT

Does anyone know when Mostly Harmless is slated to come out?
(gee, I'm the first one to ask that question, I bet).  Is it
going to be released in the US simultaneously with its release
in the U.K.?  If not, does anyone know when the US release is
scheduled?  

I appreciate any info people can give.  I'm waiting for the
book with bated breath.  :)

-Tony
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From: htk33322@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Parker )
Subject: Kubla Khan
 i have read and reread Dirk Gently and can't really figure out what
 Dirk did by talking to Coleridge and stopping him from writing the
 rest of Kubla Khan.  How did this stop the ghost from wanting to go
 back in time to stop the ship from blowing up?  Any ideas? Anyone?
 And what about the albatross?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:28:48 GMT


	just a curious reader........

Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: BKD@USLVM.USL.EDU (Brian K. Dore')
Subject: Getting Mostly Harmless
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:37:22 GMT

 
Is there any way for people in the U.S. to order a copy of Mostly Harmless
from the U.K. as soon as it is released there?  I'm sure that there are
others who would like to get a copy of the book a few months early.
Perhaps a bookstore or shop that ships overseas?
 
Anybody have any ideas?
From: Andy.Taylor@brunel.ac.uk (Andy J Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: BBC compact disks
Keywords: CD, Hitchhikers Guide, Don't Panic
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:06:22 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Jul21.042219.29645@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cdouglas@nyx.cs.du.edu (Collin Broadrick Douglas) writes:
>
>  I have a friend who has the six CD set of Hitchhikers Guide.  I was wondering
>if anybody has the address I could write (or call) to order this set.  It would
>up costing him about $80 American and I think it's really worth it.
>  Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>
>Collin Douglas
>cdouglas@nyx.cs.du.edu

The CD serial number is BBC CD 6001.  There is an ISBN too, but I
can't find it.

NB Episode 4 is cut due to some copyright problems with Roger Waters.
The whole scene on the surface of Magrathea is missing : "hey did you
know your robot can hum like Pink Floyd?" bit of a shame, really.

Andy
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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: Re: Vogon Ode to You
Keywords: plurdled gruntbuggly
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:27:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.152919.202058@uctvax.uct.ac.za> stvlin04@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>To all those base 13 people that know what 6 * 9 really is
>
>  O, Freddled Gruntbuggly
>  Thy Nicturations are to me
>  As Plurdled Gabbleblotchits
>  On a lurgid bee.
>
>Love you lots
>Chief Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
Yeah, but you neglect to mention that the base in which this is true
is the phone number of a publishing house that is publishing the 5th
book in a series aimed at a species who still think that alt.cascade
is a pretty neat idea. :)

				-Dave 


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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: BBC compact disks
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<GNAT.92Jul23133801@kauri.kauri.vuw.ac.nz>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:06:52 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:38:01 GMT, gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington) said:

gnat> The canonical address is: BBC World Service Mail Order Room LG26
gnat> NE Bush House Strand London WC2B 4PH

gnat> Fax: (071) 497 0498

I tried the FAX number above, and got incorrect number, please try
again. I also added the International code 441. What did I do wrong?
Is the code 144 ??

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From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: TV show 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:54:15 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1992Jul27.190539.6177@ncsu.edu> castong@eos.ncsu.edu writes:

> Recently I found out that the BBC-TV Hitchhiker's Guide will be aired on
> USA Network's new Science Fiction Channel.  The new channel will start
> broadcasting on September 25.  I'm don't know when they will show it but
> I can mail you their address and phone # if you really need to know.

better yet, could you post it?  I'm sure I'm not the only person who'd
like to find out.....  thanks!
   --jim

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