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From: jmiller@afit.af.mil (Jeffrey C Miller)
Subject: Re: LSJUMB's show at the Blockbuster Bowl
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:33:09 GMT

In article <18588040@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
>In article <C05qxE.16s@ais.org>, plucky@ais.org wrote (Re: LSJUMB's
>show at the Blockbuster Bowl:
> 
> 
>|>In article <18559494@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
>|>>What show is the SMUT planning for New Year's Day?  I don't get ESPN, so I
>|>>won't see it.
> 
>|>    Hang on a sec -- the BallBuster Bowl is on CBS... so you 
>|>won't see it.  Not unless CBS decides to quietly ignore the old
>|>"you never show the Stanford Band live on network TV" policy.
> 
>They didn't just quietly ignore it--they gleefully and loudly ignored
>it!  They made a big point of saying they'd show the LSJUMB at
>at halftime.  Unfortunately, all they showed was the $ from the
>backside and then zoomed in to show the bandmembers from 5-10' away
>during the next song so no one could recognize the tune or formation.
>d-: !  CBS also did not have the announcer on.  This made the Banned 
>look zany, but generally harmless.

Yeah, they made a big point of saying they were going to show the LSJUMB,
then actually showed about 30 secs...but they had *plenty* of time to
talk about some d*mn indoor skating rink.  Who cares?  Sheesh....

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Miller,  NH6ZW/N8,  AFA1HE (ex WD6CQV, AFA8JM, AFA1DO)
AFIT School of Engineering, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH
"You gotta expect some losses when you fly the heavies, man" -- Jeff Conn
Help eliminate FOD in our lifetime.
From: jakilpat@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Weird places to play...
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:01:21 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <1993Jan7.114143.2025@leland.Stanford.EDU> ferejohn@leland.Stanford.EDU (john ferejohn) writes:
>Ha!  By a pool.  You call that wierd?  I was with the Cal (University of
>California at Berkeley) Band for one year and I have played...
>	At Gymnastics meets(mens and womens)  I don't know many other bands 
>	that do(I think Davis does)

Yep, we do.  We also play for volleyball.  I don't think we do golf tho...
-- 
******************************John A. Kilpatrick*******************************
*"I gotta fly like a duck.......... | Alternate lyrics for "Back to Paradise" *
* I gotta run like a wounded badger"|    from Gundam 0083: StarDust Memory    *
*************************jakilpat@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu************************
From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Television tales...
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:18:00 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

Ummmm, When I was a senior in high school, we were invited to 
do the "Kelly Tire" Blue/Gray Classic in luscious Montgomery
Alabama.  Since Fort Walton Beach (my home town) was only
3 hours away, we said yes because we were "guaranteed" 5 minutes
of air time.  So on Christmas morning, we got up at 4 or 5 AM and
drove to Montgomery.  It was COLD as sh*t, and they pulled the same
"well you'll need to cut your show to X minutes" routine.  Yuck!
Also, we got like 25 or 30 seconds of air time (I guess we should
have been thankful).  Gross!

I always feel sorry for the really bad bands in nationally televised
parades that get cut after five seconds of bad music.  I mean geez,
they raised a carload of cash to get to the parade, the least they
could do is suffer through 30 seconds of bad music.

:-(

My other favorite televised fiasco was in 1986, when we went to the Fiesta
Bowl.  The national pageant of bands was supposed to be broadcast
semi-nationally, and the deal was that each school got one minutes
guaranteed, bands that placed in the top five were guaranteed three
minutes, and the winner got their whole show on the air.  Great deal,
except we came in second and got 30 seconds.  I couldn't understand
why until we got the tapes back.  Either we overplayed the mikes
or someone messed up the recording of the show, because you couldn't
hear anything on the tape except the last 30 seconds of the show (what
was on TV).

Really annoying...

Scott
-- 
W. Scott Radeker, IV			                      Cast Member 
Internet:  gt1293c@cad.gatech.edu	   Lenox Square Disney Store #343
24860 Georgia Tech Station		3393 Peachtree Street, Suite E-12
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From: Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: The Television Ate Our Show...
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:42:28 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

> Television? NO THANK YOU!
> Any other tales of woe out there?  Any GOOD experiences?

Whoever televised the Rose Bowl in 1974-1980 or so did a fairly
good job of showing the bands.  I remember the USC Band got a lot
of air time in 1975 (my sister was in the band, I was still in 
high school...).  The bowl games I was in personally -- '77 Bluebonnet,
'79-80 Rose, '82 Fiesta (1981 was the probation year :-) -- except
for the Rose Bowls, we didn't get much tv time.  But at least they
didn't mangle our shows.

Of course, I wish television had eaten all of USC's 1992 Freedom Bowl
performance (both the team and the band). ;-)

As far as I'm concerned halftime coverage has sucked big time since
about 1981.   As someone already mentioned, either you hear one
instrument, or the tv camera is busy trying to lookup the cheerleaders'
skirts.  

While we're sort of on the topic, what's the story with the Cotton
Bowl halftime?  (I think it was the Cotton Bowl, it's whatever game
that was on tv at lunchtime while I was skiing in southern Utah.)
One band (Texas A&M?) got to perform at the half, but the other 
(Notre Dame?) performance was a partial tape of pregame.  Then the
big yucky goofy pageantry crap came on, and I went back to the slopes.


        ---  __o          Liza Weissler
     ----  _`\<,_         The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
      --- (*)/ (*)        liza@rand.org
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Subject: Re: Ohio University
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:04:49 EST
Distribution: na

In article <1993Jan5.063142.19376@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>,
jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) says:

>I've noticed a lot of subjects mentioning high step... How many have seen
>the Ohio University Marching 110?? "The Most Exciting Band in the Land!"
>Our marching style is not only a high step but also requires our calves
>to be extended outward when we march.

It's called "prancing."

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From: jnewsome@prism.gatech.EDU (John Newsome)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Review of bands
Keywords: Holiday parades and bowls
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:57:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

These are my thoughts on the performances of bands I saw this holiday
season, and other bands I've seen.  All opinions expressed are exclusively
my own.

The University of Washington Huskies (Rose Bowl parade):
I was very impressed with the Huskies being this is the first time I've
seen them.  They sounded Darn good coming down the streets of Disneyland(I
believe thats where they were?).  They looked and sounded powerful and
clean.  Pagentry is were its at, and they had it!!
Kudos goes out to the Drummajor.

The University of Michigan: (Rose Bowl parade):
What else can I say?!! They always have their act together!! The sound of
the Victors fight song filled the air and that intensity was felt 3,000
miles away at home in Atlanta.  I wish I was there to see them in person. 
This band is tops in my book!! Definitely the one to try and top and they
have'nt been dethroned yet!!

Ohio State University (the Citrus Bowl):

Say what you want about Ohio State not being known,(I've seen one post in
regards to that) but they are sharp!! That script Ohio is NICE!! I like to
see the sousaphone player dot the i. They sound good also.

The University of Georgia (the Citrus Bowl):

Nothing personal,(I know that there's a chance they might take it personal
because I work for Ga. Tech) but for 365 members as the parade announcers
stated the membership to be, I didn't hear the sound of that many. Maybe
some players were slacking off, but I just couldn't here it!!!  I admit
they were huge and had nice gleaming instruments, but that should be
complimented by a huge sound to match. During the Martin Luther King
parade in Atlanta on 1/91, it was said numerous times that the "Spartan
Legion" of Norfolk State was the most powerful unit in that parade, and we
were twice as small as U.G.A.

Georgia Tech:

I haven't had a chance to hear Tech in person, (its a shame and I work here)
but I have heard them practicing.  They sounded good with sound
echoing off campus building, but I couldn't find out where it was coming
from.  Maybe I can have the opportunity to see them rehearse because its
hard to get tickets to the games, even for faculty/staff. Hopefully
someone will email me a message telling me where they rehearse outside
during the football season, and if the rehearsals are open to the public,
I would love to check them out.

This is a shout out to:

Michael Sykes: '85-'89 Norfolk State University 
                       "Marching Spartan Legion"
                        Snare line "Million Dollar Funk Squad" percussion
                        section

What's up Brother!!!  BEHOLD THE GREEN AND GOLD

To all readers, check out the Legion in the M.L.K parade on TBS Jan.
16,1993  12:00 p.m. or come out in person.



-- 
John Newsome,III  Center for Rehabilitation Technology
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia 30332-0156
Internet:  John.Newsome@arch.gatech.edu

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From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Anthony Maas)
Subject: Re: Parades and Playing frequency
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 13:49:53 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

|> Geez, we were loud, too (and not bad, if I may say so).  In the '77 parade,
|> the parade stopped while we were halfway through the Orange Grove-Colorado
|> turn.  Poor Johnny Grant, KTLA announcer (positioned at the corner), finally
|> gave up on his commentary because he said he couldn't hear himself think
|> over our playing...and that was supposedly the "worst" half of the band.
|> 
|> Jeff
|> 

I was in the 1991 Drum Corps All-Star Corps at the Macy's parade - we had somewhere around 200-250 horns.  Willard couldn't talk while we were facing him, and you couldn't hear him talking until after we had left, gone around a corner, and were over half a block away.  That was THE loudest marching unit I have ever heard in my life.  Just playing with sixty other baritones was enough to blow my mind.

Tony Maas
Blue Stars 90-91
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From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Weird places to play...
Date: 5 Jan 1993 00:09:00 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:

>4) At the restaurant owned by the people whose house we played at.
>They gave us lots of free drinks, so we played twice. :-)  Very cool.

Really?  How did you sound AFTER the drinks?  >;)  :)

>Adam Elman
>aelman@cs.stanford.edu

Bart -Laz- Smith
Member of the K-State Pride of Wildcatland Marching Band
	Trombone line, 1988-92
Trombones sliiiiiiiiiiide better!

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From: ferejohn@leland.Stanford.EDU (john ferejohn)
Subject: Re: Ohio University
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 11:53:26 GMT

Aggie highstep was taken from Cal-Berkeley highstep(SOmetime in the 70's, I 
think).  Cal highstep was, in turn, stolen from Ohio State in the 50's when
Cal played them four times in the Rose Bowl and got owned bandwise.
Calf paralell(sp), instep 10' off the ground.
      -Chris "too many posts, I think" Ferejohn

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From: jmiller@afit.af.mil (Jeffrey C Miller)
Subject: Re: Parades and Playing frequency
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:23:10 GMT

In article <urcat.725669865@mcl> urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan) writes:
>Allen Warren = >
>Tonya May    = >>
>Tim Castro   = >>>
>
>>>>The Michigan Band came marching by in full High (Chair?) Step, playing
>>>>their lips off.  It was pretty impressive.  I don't know how they were
>>>>able to keep that up and do a show later on that afternoon.
>
>>>  They keep it up because they don't play like that the entire parade route.
>>>After the parade last year we talked to a few of the Michigan Band members.
>>>We asked them why they weren't as tired and sweaty as the UW Band members,
>>>and they replied that they didn't play much (only three or four times) after
>>>the tv cameras.
>
>>I remember in the 1980 Rose Parade, when I marched with Ohio State's Band,
>>that actual tunes were played quite a bit.  Since I was a snare drum player,
>>I basically played just about the entire time, although all the snares
>>alternated for rest breaks for the last couple of the total 7+ miles of the
>>parade.
>
>Reading about how different bands have approached Parades -- what else is
>commonly done out there?  Especially for "big" parades like The Rose Parade.
>I marched xylophone in the Pasadena City College Tournament of Roses Honor Band
>(or PCC Honor Band) in 1986.  We had a rep. of songs and drum cadences to
>alternate for the whole five (or 7?) miles, and had a set specially designed 
>for the TV cameras.  We pretty much did glide-step for the whole parade,
>as I remember.

Well, when I was in the LA City Schools All-City Band (brass & percussion,
also guard after 1978 -- members taken from all of LAUSD's high schools),
the policy for the Rose Parade was continuous playing from the time we 
stepped out on Orange Grove, through the TV areas and turn on to Colorado
Blvd, until the bottom of the slight hill after the Norton Simon museum.
None of the other bands seemed to be able to match that :-), but then we
didn't have to do a field show that day, either.

Geez, we were loud, too (and not bad, if I may say so).  In the '77 parade,
the parade stopped while we were halfway through the Orange Grove-Colorado
turn.  Poor Johnny Grant, KTLA announcer (positioned at the corner), finally
gave up on his commentary because he said he couldn't hear himself think
over our playing...and that was supposedly the "worst" half of the band.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Miller,  NH6ZW/N8,  AFA1HE (ex WD6CQV, AFA8JM, AFA1DO)
AFIT School of Engineering, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH
"You gotta expect some losses when you fly the heavies, man" -- Jeff Conn
Help eliminate FOD in our lifetime.
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Weird places to play
Date: 5 Jan 1993 11:47:44 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu wrote:
 
]>Really? How did you sound AFTER the drinks?  >;) :)
 
You must not know the Stanford Band.  They sounded the same as always, I'm sure!
 
Rich
From: timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Spotted Owl Show (was Re: Frisbee dogs)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:04:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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In article <jgladu-110193124628@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:

>Will one of you incomparables *please* send me a copy of that Washington
>State show?  I am very interested in just what got you banned...
>

Better yet, why not post it?

I'm sure a lot of folks (including myself) would like to see 
the script for Stanford's infamous "Spotted Owl" show.  :-) 



>bcnu - grungy (John Gladu)
>Systems Support Center -- Baylor College of Medicine
>INTERNET: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu  | VOICE: (713)798-7370
> US MAIL:  One Baylor Plaza, Houston, Texas  77030

Tim Castro
Cal Band 1986-1990


-- 
Tim Castro		    *   "When the air becomes uranious
U.C. Berkeley               *    We will all go simultaneous
timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU      *    Yes we all will go together when we go." 
timc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU       *           --Tom Lehrer, 1958
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From: ferejohn@leland.Stanford.EDU (john ferejohn)
Subject: Re: Field Pyrotechnics (Was Re: Judge kills)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 13:14:36 GMT

In article <1iku0p$8ov@agate.berkeley.edu> timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro) writes:
>Unfortunately, the waiver only applies to Pre-Game.  In 1987 the
>Cal Band performed the 1812 Overture without canons, explosions
>or any of the pyrotechnics you have come to associate with it.
>We tried to simulate canon explosions by striking a large,
>stationary concert bass drum, but it just wasn't the same.
Yes Tim, but the Cal Band did 1812 WITH a cannon three years later.  
(The cannon was the cannon which is located above Berkeley's Memorial stadium
and is fired at every score(by Cal, that is).  The timing was a bit off, but
it warked all right.

And I know you knew about that(you were there weren't you?)
   --Chris
Cal band '91, '93-
From: mhorning@zeus.calpoly.edu (Mark E. Horning (Captain Neutrino))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Wrecking a Planet (Was: Re: Sci-Fantasy Weapons)
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:52:19 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

damm@diku.dk (Kristian Damm Jensen) states
>m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>
>>Most folks I know really wouldn't care if a few cubic miles of the moon
>>get peppered by gravel.  There is a LOT of turf that would count as a "miss".
>
>Hm. Not if the "miss" is heavy or fast enough. Can you say "moonquake"? 
>-- 
Ok il'l build my entire base on giant coilsprings. ;-) Seriously, i
doubt moonquakes would be a problem, but you could always build your
base on a bed of sand. The sand absorbs the energy from the quake and
the structures above it remain undamaged. There are certain towns with a
layer of sand between two layers of bedrock which have never taken
earthquake damage despite being located close to major quake sites.


>Kristian Damm Jensen (damm@diku.dk)
>"Life is like a sewer - what you get out of it depends on what you put into it"
>- Tom Lehrer

Mark E. Horning, Physics 	A penny saved is a congressional oversite.	
mhorning@pan.calpoly.edu	Don't steal, the IRS hates competition.

If you can't love the constitution, at least hate the government.
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From: rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie (russell wallace)
Subject: Re: Wrecking a Planet (Was: Re: Sci-Fantasy Weapons)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:26:25 GMT

In <1993Jan7.183727.26274@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:


>	Hmmm. If I were trying  to  kill  an O'Neil-type  colony,
>the  particular subsystem I'd  try  to scrag  is the heat-control
>system. Cities  and their  associated  industries  tend to  produce
>a fair bit of  heat, so there  should  sizable radiators  to target.
>No idea  how long it takes  a city  to  baste itself, I'm afraid.

So you just paint the entire rather large surface area black. If that
isn't enough you build radiators. If an enemy damages them so what?
Everyone just turns off their lights and lives off tinned food until the
few small holes in the radiators are repaired (or maybe don't bother
:-)). The habitat's water storage tanks can absorb any heat generated in
the mean time.

--
"To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem"
Russell Wallace, Trinity College, Dublin
rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie
From: swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: time travel with pulsars
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:22:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit

In article <93001.201537SHOCKER@MIAMIU.BITNET>, SHOCKER@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
|> The possibility of time travel notwithstanding, how exactly would you go about
|> doing it? There have been several ideas about this, but one of the most interes
|> ting to me is the theory of Frank J. Tipler that was given in Physical Review D
|>  in 1974 under the title "Rotating cylinders and the possibility of global caus
|> ality violation". Here Tipler shows that if one were to rotate a very large cyl
|> inder about twice per millisecond it would generate Closed Timelike Lines (CTL)

Unfortunately for this scenario later calculations have shown that a sufficiently
large cylinder cannot have formed in the age of the Universe, so no such situation
can actually exist.

-- 
sarima@teradata.com			(formerly tdatirv!sarima)
  or
Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.science:4023 alt.folklore.science:4588
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Malthusians are mistaken
Date: 9 Jan 1993 23:48:13 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan4.225042.24568@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>jfe7w@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (John Fletcher Elder):
>>In poor countries with subsistence farming and low industry, children
>>are early on a net asset, able to help in the fields and home.
>
>I've seen this statement literally dozens of times.  Alt.folklore.science
>is as good a place for it as any.  Beyond "everybody knows", is there any
>evidence for it?

Check the literature, looking for the subject "demographic transition."
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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