From: ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting,alt.archery
Subject: Re: Carbon arrows...
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:17:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Jul27.102358.5670@doug.cae.wisc.edu> 
bryanshu@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Bryan Schumacher) writes:

>
>I'm sure this discussion has been beat to death before, but since I'm a new
>Internet junkie, I will bring it up again.
>

 Not at all.  In fact, I haven't seen many discussions concerning archery 
 tackle designed for hunting here.  Some feel that postings of that nature are 
 better  suited to rec.hunting due to the fact that the moderator (hiya Tim) 
 of that group does such a good job of keeping things on an even keel.  Be 
 sure to subscribe there as well as here.

>I have been hunting with a bow for 4 years, and last year went to the carbon
>arrows.  There were many reasons, but the main one being the toughness of
>the arrow - (i.e. hit a rock, and thank God you just didn't lose $5 in an
>arrow.)  I like the speed too, but like I said, these things seem almost
>indestructable.  So, what does the rest of the world think about these as
>a hunting medium?
>

 They're fine, although I'm more from the Chuck Adams school of thought, and 
 shoot a heavy arrow.  In spite of that, I can't argue with a successful hunter
 if he/she is shooting carbon.  Whatever gets the job done is what counts in 
 my book.

 As far as the toughness of the arrow is concerned... welllllll, actually you
 can break 'em.  I guess shatter is more the word.  I have found more than 
 just a few discarded or lost on our club's bowhunter range.  They all must've 
 been shot hard, because they were literally split along the entire length of 
 the shaft.  It does sound comforting that they won't bend on minor impact, 
 and only (seem?) to break under catastrophic impact that would've destroyed 
 an aluminum shaft as well.  Am I right about that?

>Also, I recently got another person interested in bowhunting, and set him
>up with the top-of-the-line Golden Eagle bow.  I also told him to get 
>carbon arrows.  Well the owner of the sporting goods store wouldn't sell
>him carbon arrows because the owner thought they may be too wimpy for the
>bow and could possibly shatter upon release.  Am I crazy, or does this
>guy sound a little skeptical?  He is shooting at approximately 80lbs.

 Yahoooo!  Another Golden Eagle fan.  Extra cool!  I was real disappointed 
 with my lead bow, and got out of it.  I bought a Golden Eagle Super Hawk 
 Turbo last year, and it outshoots my ProLine.  I'm sold on the bows, and will 
 be stepping up to the Formula 3-D (like your friend shoots) either this 
 season or next.  They went up to $329.95 this year, so I may have to grit my 
 teeth, and just go ahead and spend the money this season.
 
 As for not being able to buy carbon arrows from that sporting goods store...
 I can think of only one thing more dangerous in tackle failure than an arrow
 shaft shattering at release time -- a limb breaking is more dangerous.  So,
 the store owner/sales-unit was probably correct in being cautious.  Here's 
 what I found when I looked into carbon.  It may help you and your friend. I
 hope so.

 My problem also is that I shoot at draw weights at and around 80 pounds with 
 a draw length right at 30 inches (actually about 29-3/4" when I'm anchored
 right) and most carbon shafts are just too light.  With a 130 grain Muzzy I'm 
 not on the chart for AFC's (the box is BLANK!) and if I want to shoot my Bear 
 Razorheads (145 grains) I'm not only off the chart, there is no chart.  So 
 your "sales-unit" may have been right if he didn't have the right arrow in 
 stock.  But wait, there's hope yet...

 The Beeman charts claim I can shoot a 7090 ("Hunter").  Really?  With those 
 broadheads?  I don't think so, but since I would like to try some carbon 
 shafts.  I did a little digging.  Here's what I found. 

 I like my F.O.C. anywhere from 10% to 12% so... it looks like I could go 
 with a 100 grain Muzzy, and maybe a Muzzy 125 if that 125 designation on 
 their new broadhead means "number-of-grains".  I'm kinda partial to Muzzy's, 
 but I "ain't married to 'em," so I could probably go with something else *IF* 
 it can measure up to a Muzzy.  Do you know anything about the Golden Eagle 
 Sattelite Titans?  They're made for carbon shafts, and they look one helluva 
 lot tougher than the Beeman Light's.  

 I shoot with a release and a front fork rest, so dialing that in for the 
 smaller circumference on the shaft, and making the necessary adjustments to 
 the spot where the fork rises to meet the front of the shaft (instead of 
 messing around with the knock point) should make things go smoother when 
 paper-tune time rolls around.  Also, I'll have to order the nocks loose so I
 can rotate my cock vane down through the fork rest.  That'll mean a couple of
 tubes of Carbon cement.

 If I order what I need for next season from this Summer's BDW catalog, what
 will it run?  Let's cook it up...

              $69.95 x 2 = $139.95 (two dozen built arrows)
              $21.95 x 2 =  $43.90 (two 5 packs Muzzy BH)
               $3.00 x 1 =   $3.00 (custom fletching)
               $2.50 x 2 =   $5.00 (Carbon nock/fletch cement)
                           -------
                           $191.85 ("cash and merchandise")
                           $   .50 (insurance -- mandatory)
                           $ 17.95 (2nd day air shipping, it's getting late)
                           -------
                           $210.30

 It'll be a hard choice to switch at this point.  I'll need two dozen good 
 arrows for the season, so that $210.00 figure is firm and getting up to 
 within what that new Formula 3-D would cost.  I'll have to think about it, 
 but if your friend wants to shoot carbon, this might be a solution.  As for
 me, it may be a while before I come off my XX75's.  Hope this helps.  Good 
 luck, and good hunting.

 Shawn Boyd