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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:31:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.151957.3254@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

[Fine summary of Schaeffer's work deleted for brevity]

Are you sure you're not referring to the book _Addicted to Mediocrity_
by *Franky* Schaeffer, Francis' son?  Although I remember *Francis*
talking about how the concept of despair spread in the 20th Century
from art to philosophy to (ultimately) religion in _The God Who Is
There_, I don't remember him evaluating art per se.  That sounds more
like Franky's approach.

Simply put, Francis examines modern thought and (secondarily) how it
has affected art, whereas Franky examines art and (secondarily) how
modern thought has affected it.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: verification and change
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:40:37 GMT

In article <31AUG199219410189@zeus.tamu.edu>, tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
|> Just wanted to post a note about the addresses and info I gave for
|> Notebored and ACM Journal.

I really wish they had picked a different acronym.  "ACM Journal"
to me sounds too much like "Journal of the ACM".  The latter is a
publication of the Association for Computing Machinery.

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
From: williams@ab.wvnet.edu (Tom Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:59:22 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>
>  Well, I'm quite a talented user of it myself, when I want to. And
>  some of my favorite albums of all time (early Steve Taylor: I want
>  to be a clone, Meltdown) are just loaded with it. 

          As another 'talented' sarcastic, I can relate to the
          question.  To further muddy the waters:  Paul the apostle
          was (IMO) using it quite strongly when he suggested that the
          Judaizers should take their circumcision, uh, to the
          extreme.  That was definitely a tongue-in-cheek, nasty
          remark -- he was not seriously requesting that they become
          eunuchs.  Several of the O.T. prophets used sarcasm when
          they were annoyed at kings who wanted to hear only pleasant
          prophecies.  And, like one poster, I perceived sarcasm
          (versus irony) during God's answer to Job.

          But, just when I start feeling superior, I am also reminded
          (by someone else's post, a very good one) of the passages in
          Proverbs about [1] the hopelessness of a fool, and [2] the
          fact that a fool has a better chance (in the presence of
          God) than a mocker. 

          I suspect that there are enough proof texts on both sides to
          "prove" either view.  Perhaps some situational test (i.e.,
          anticipating the probable results of the sarcastic remark)
          would serve better on this question.  I await a good answer,
          but in the meantime, I will continue to enjoy (and perform)
          Steve Taylor songs.
          
-- 

                                                -Tom Williams
                                                 WILLIAMS@AB.WVNET.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael Card on tour with Phil Keaggy???
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:49:53 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <19408@ector.cs.purdue.edu> gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
>If what he meant is that they will tour together it would definitely
>be something to see.  If not, its a good way to start a rumor %^).

No rumor.  It's true.  I have tickets to see them in concert in Ann Arbor on
October 2nd.  "Special Guest: Phil Keaggy" is written right there on the
ticket - YES!

--
Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mece2b1@rosie.uh.edu (Meyers, David C.)
Subject: Anybody know any King's X tunes on guitar?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:19:00 GMT

I know a couple of different songs/riffs from King's X and would like
to share & trade knowledge with others...also does anybody know any Galactic
Cowboys...

TIP: if ya want to sound like 'em, tune the 6th string to D, and/or learn
some typical chord voicings of the Beatles...i.e. 7ths, and m7... well okay
there's more to it than that...

----------------------------------------------------------------------
-              there was peace in her before			     -
-      	       but that was yesterday 			             -
-              but i can see the beauty that is here for me          -
-              the chance to live and walk free                      -
-              from a legal kill                                     -
-                 -- "legal kill"  king's x                          - 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
-        david ---->   st1hz@jane.uh.edu			     -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
			
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans)
Subject: Re: MWS Change Your World (NOW FOR SALE)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:58:56 GMT

dmaxwell@auc.trw.com (Doug Maxwell) writes:

>In article <cee1.714939005@Isis.MsState.Edu> cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans) writes:
>>However one "bug" .. first ever I have found. For those who have bought the
>>tape/CD and those who will, listen to the song "Out of This World" and
>>the lyrics sheet says after the Chorus the second time there should be this:

>I've actually found differences between the actual music and the printed lyrics
>many times.  Can't name any off the top of my head, but they're out there.
>I kind of enjoy finding these "bugs."  Sort of a novelty, I guess :)

Ummm, I talked with the kind neighborhood Xian Bookstore Lady/Music person
anyway, she gave Word, Music about it and the will call back tomorrow. Patti,
the store-personage said that a lot of groups were getting "flak" for putting
rap in their music.. or something like that. Maybe Smitty chose to take it out
at the last minute. But if you look, there is plenty of time for the words..
trying to make my own up to fill in the gap :) anyway.. at least Word would
be aware of it.. and maybe delete it in future printings. Word said that is
the first they knew about it. We'll see. Great album!!!


>-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Address/phone number to True Tunes
From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:44:12 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug26.221212.18068@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu> will@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Beldin Feldegast) writes:
>
>I was wondwering if True Tunes had an 1-800 number
>for ordering and if not could somebody give me their
>address?
>
Outside the "Chicagoland" area, it's 1-800-669-TRUE.

-M.



Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: sarcasm...encouraging..music!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:30:11 GMT

James Roy Smith jr (smith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep2.171653.6285@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
: ->
: ->
: ->Let's then, go on to Galatians 4:29 "Let no unwholesome word proceed from your
: ->mouth, but _only such a word as is good for edification according to the need
: ->of the moment, that it may GIVE GRACE to those who hear."  Now, does sarcasm
: 
: just for the benefit of all those people who may have gone to underline
: that verse and not found it -- it is Ephesians 4:29.  if you do underline
: and/or memorize verses please consider this one.  it has convicted me and
: proved very difficult to live up to.  we are so prone to tearing down
: instead of being encouragers and building up.  Proverbs 27:17.
: 
: ->We should all seek to build others up, not tear them down.
: ->
: to bring it back to music again... wes king's song _Sticks and Stones_
: deals with the issue of how much damage the tongue can do.  it is a great
: song musically and very challenging lyrically.

We need to be careful what we mean by "tearing down" and "building up".
Affirming a believer in something we believe is wrong is not "building
up" that believer - it is only reinforcing the wrong.  In the same way,
letting that believer know that what they are doing appears wrong is
not necessarily "tearing down" - it is sometimes necessary to
knock down a faulty wall before it can be built properly.  

This needs to be done carefully/prayerfully, of course, but I do think
that sarcasm can be a tool to be used in some circumstances to 
help point out "areas for improvement" in the walk of another.
Note that Sarcasm != Tearing Down (!= is means "not equal to" for
you non-computer geeks).  Sarcasm is using irony, etc. as a tool to make
a point - tearing down is the act of intentionally "hurting" the
walk or well being of another.  I believe the verses being quoted
are talking about "tearing down", not sarcasm.  Jesus wasn't always
in a syrupy "building up" mode (He wasn't exactly charitable to the
moneychangers He threw out of the temple), but the things He did He
did for the purpose of "the ultimate build-up".  If we keep that in
mind, I think we'll be OK.

: 
: ->Noel Estabrook
: 
: -jim
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:
Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
From: elw@mayo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Notice of Seminar;
Keywords: Christian, Arts, Aesthetics
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:17:06 GMT
Reply-To: elw.mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus





		Notice of Seminar
 
Making Sense of a Fractured World, The Christian and The World of Art

	-How can we raise wise and discrening children that
	 will love beauty in a society where artists mock
	 our most cherished convictions?
	
	-How can we understand and enjoy what we see at the
	 art museum?

	-Are there talented Christian artists at work today
	 producing art that glorifies God? If so, what is
	 their work like?


Speaker: Dr. Gene Edward Vieth Jr.
	Dean of the School of Arts & Sciences
	   Concordia University- Wisconsin
	Author of:  "State of the Arts: from 
		     Bexalel to Mapplethorpe (Crossway)
		    "The Gift of Art" (IVP)

Location: Trinity Presbyterian Church
	  1300 NE 10th Avenue 
	  Rochester, Minnesota

Date: 7:00 pm    Friday, September 25, 1992
	to 3:30  Saturday, September 26

Child Care
	-due to space restrictions, none provided

What You can Expect
	Slides of art works to view an discuss
	Instruction in understanding art
	An introduction to fine Christian artists
	Insight for rasing kids to love beauty

A Modest Proposal
	You might wish to read Dr. Vieth's book on art,
	"State of the Arts" (Crossway, 1991) prior
	to the seminar. And then bring it along for 
	Ed to autograph

Saturday Lunch/Discussion
	Participants are invited to remain at the 
	seminar for lunch on Saturday-discussion will 
	continue during this time. You may bring
	a bag lunch, or choose the optionally
	catered sandwhich lunch ($2.50/person) on the
	registration form. Drinks will be provided.

Co-Sponsors:
	Trinity Presbyterian Church (PCA)
	
	Ransom Fellowship (a ministry designed to
	  help Christians develop skill in discernment).



Cost: $25/Person ($30 at door)
      $40/couple ($45 at door)

Make Check payable to Trinity Presbyterian Church
and mail with completed registration to:

	Seminar
	1150 West Center Street
	Rochester, MN 55902

For further information please call:
	Denis & Margie Haack at 507-282-0564

	(please do not respond do this e-mail address)

**********************************************************************
Making Sense of A Fractured World: The Christian and the World of Art

Name___________________________________

Address_________________________________

City_____________________State___________Zip_______

Optional Saturday Lunch  Yes__  No__   # persons________
***********************************************************************
	Deadline for registration by mail is September 20, 1992
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:46:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Phil Collins- talking to Jesus
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

> > or 40 seconds of the video, but, from what I gathered, he is poking at
> > evangelists, etc...Am I getting his point correctly, or is there more to it. 
> > haven't heard the song in entirety or seen the video in entirety. Could someo
> > who has heard/seen please shed some light on this for me?????

            I have never seen the video to which you refer but I can imagine
how it could happen and why. TV evangelists are absolutely disgusting. It 
is difficult to imagine how anyone would want to get on Tv and hawk their
religion like it was the Home Shopping Network! 
>  
> I think Phil Collins is making fun of those corrupt TV evangelists, like 
> the Bakers, etc.  I can understand the video, and even though it's not 
> right, I too am sick of some of these evangelists.  I'm sorry but most 
> Christian TV turns me off.  Some of it is too candy-like.  Benny Hinn and 
> some prophecies shows are my favs though!  
> 
           I used to watch TotalBaloney Netwerk myself because they would 
have weirdos like Stuart McBurnie on. This is a guy who believes that he
can predict the second coming. 

           In general, I agree that christian tv is too smarmy and 
syrupy. My blood sugar count goes up every time I see the antique
Ken & Barbie set (Paul and Jan Crouch) on TV. Yet I have also seen
some worthwhile stuff -- interesting discussions -- about science and
religion. I've seen interviews with Malachi Martin and I certainly am 
willing to listen to John Ankerberg -- mostly because he is willing to 
let others who believe differently challenge his position. 
          
           True, though. Most Christian TV is garbage. And I am sick
and tired of their political statements. If they want to talk about
Christianity, talk about Christianity and leave the politics alone! 

-reykjavik

rks@uccs-annex.csn.org

                              The seeking of wisdom is the highest virtue
                                                             --Odin--

 

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From: grendel@cis.ksu.edu (Stephen Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Iona
Date: 26 Aug 1992 14:55:29 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cygnus.cis.ksu.edu

There is a group from Scotland (I believe) called Iona.  Has anyone heard
about whether or not they are going to release another album?

-Steve

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jetfuel@babbage.csus.edu (Dave Jenks)
Subject: Re: Music that makes you drive fast
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:10:24 GMT

In article <66562@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
> 
> I've seen a number of posts on this subject already, and i'm just wondering...
> 
> What songs make you want to roll down the windows and drive really fast?

Amy Grant:
    "You're not Alone" (from "Heart in Motion")
    The "All Right"-"Wait for the Healing"-"Sure Enough" sequence
	(from "Lead Me On")
    "Where do you Hide Your Heart" (from "Straight Ahead")
Kim Hill:
    "Words" (from "Brave Heart")
    "Round and Round" (ditto)
    "Stop My Heart" (ditto)

--Dave+
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Sam Phillips
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:05:42 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1992Sep1.052227.27881@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:
|> I just bought Sam Phillips' "The Indescribable Wow" today, on the basis of
|> recommendations from quite a few people here.  Thanks to all of you!  I
|> really like it, even after just one listen.  Even Petra and Whiteheart
|> albums take me a few listens to get a feeling for the music, but this one
|> just "fit right in".  It sounds reminiscent of the Bangles, but better.
|> (The songs do all tend to sound similar, though.  Not a criticism, just
|> how it struck me.)

  I also bought tIW and Cruel Inventions on the basis of recommendations
here. I really like the instrumentation, but the lyrics are some of the
most cryptic I've ever heard/read! They are similar to avant-garde poetry
which requires a *lot* of effort to eke out any meaning. Some of the
songs are less esoteric, but for the most part, it seems the message of
the songs are not meant to be conveyed to anyone but Sam herself. IMHO
Hmmm.... how appropriate that the title is "The Indescribable Wow."
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 			--Michael

-- Tim
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Warnke Article
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:11:51 GMT

In <1992Aug31.225609.26905@news.bucknell.edu> crane@news.bucknell.edu (Crane Curtis Christian) writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.172725.18133@berlioz.nsc.com> kent@adc.nsc.com (Kent Waterson) writes:
>>I've been a fan of Mike Warnke for a long time.  I would like to read the article
>>that triggered all the discussion.  I can't FTP anywhere to download it, so could
>>some kind soul mail it to me?  Thanks
>>
>>Kent
>>
>>(kent@adc.nsc.com)



>Could someone also mail the article to me?

>Thanks,.
>Curt

The article is 20,000 words long (that's twenty thousand for people
who can't read numbers!<g>). No one in their right mind is gonna type
that back in....

Call Cornerstone (312-989-2096, and order the issue, vol. 21 #98.

It will cost three bucks, two for the magazine, one for mailing.

That's what I did. Its worth getting.

Mike
From: cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: MWS Change Your World (NOW FOR SALE)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:10:05 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

Well, I picked up the CD this morning. Actually it was at our Xian Bookstore
yesterday afternoon (Wednesday)..but they didn't unpack it.

Anyway, great album, just love it.. love Toby (DC TALK) there toward the end.

However one "bug" .. first ever I have found. For those who have bought the
tape/CD and those who will, listen to the song "Out of This World" and
the lyrics sheet says after the Chorus the second time there should be this:

Rap:
It's all in your point of view
A different look will see you through
So check it out
'Cause life's worth living
In this world, it's out of this world.


There seems to be "ample" time for these lyrics to be put in over the music.
and even there are a few _slight_ background aaahhh's and stuff and "lead-ins"
the the Chorus for the third time.

Is it like this on all the copies.. or do I have a rare one .. hmm  valuable..
recall? second mixing ..? I guess it was left out of the mix? Intentioneal??
anyone know ? I'm gonna tell em up at the store this afternoon.

Great album, up to his good unalologetical standards. Glad he didn't get to-
gether with Geffen Records as "Michael W" and go secular.

More of the best...

chuck

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From: mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mike Warnke
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:55:13 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.christian
Organization: NMSU Computer Science


	Excuse me...

	I know that he was supposed to have gotten a divorce, but would
somebody fill me in on the whole story?

	I've been in Wyoming all summer long with no net access, then I come
back and every other post is about Warnke.  I also understand that the
IRS has revoked his tax-free status.  Other than that, I'm at a total
loss.  I WANT DETAILS!!!
										(a.k.a. gossip)

																					Craig
																					mwalls@NMSU.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: crane@news.bucknell.edu (Crane Curtis Christian)
Subject: Re: Warnke Article
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:56:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.172725.18133@berlioz.nsc.com> kent@adc.nsc.com (Kent Waterson) writes:
>I've been a fan of Mike Warnke for a long time.  I would like to read the article
>that triggered all the discussion.  I can't FTP anywhere to download it, so could
>some kind soul mail it to me?  Thanks
>
>Kent
>
>(kent@adc.nsc.com)



Could someone also mail the article to me?

Thanks,.
Curt

Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA