From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:32:19 GMT

In article <jyc.721174111@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>
>Holly Silva writes: 
>>Is anyone else out there tired of middle class Libertarians whining
>>about the gross impositions placed upon them by the need to give a
>>little to the common good? 
>
>   Yeah, me.  It seems no matter how huge my kill file gets, I can't get
>away from these ranting Randroids that infest the net EVERYWHERE.

Randroids?  If you mean 'ultra-conservatives' yeah, i see 'em too.  
Usually very quickly as I jab the 'n' key or 'k' key.  Don't bother
will the Kill files, something always gets through... :(

>These bozos live in an invincible dream world of naive dewy-eyed faith
>that if the government would just stop interfering with the ability of
>the rich and powerful to do whatever they want to the rest of us, the
>inevitable result will be the greatest good for the greatest number. 

I agree with you, but too much of a good thing can be bad (even government! -
look at many other nations where the government controls most of the
nation economically and/or politically you find dissatisfaction and
stagnation [worse than the US].  Too little government is anarchy and
you can get a similar result).

>
>   They also seem to combine an immaculate ignorance of political
>theory (the question of the necessity of vesting sovereign powers in a
>government was settled by Hobbes, period) with an equal ignorance of
>basic economic reality.  

Sure, and even scarier are societies of people who did not understand
basic economic realities (Communists).

>Most of them for instance would probably flatly
>refuse to believe that Americans have almost the lowest taxes in the
>world and that the very rich have the lowest taxes in America.  (Note to
>those of you about to post a followup demanding that I prove these
>statements:  go to the damn library and educate yourself.  If you don't
>know the most elementary facts about your own economic situation, don't
>expect me to spoon feed them to you.)

I suppose we should all go traipsing to the library to confirm your claims?
Unfortunately for you, the burdon of proof in discussions usually rest
on the claimant/poster, not the reader.  IN this case, however, your
allegations are correct - although the TAX BRACKET may not be the lowest
(I don't know), after the loopholes and deductions that only truly rich
people can make/use are over, they pay a substantially lower percent than
the next lowert tax bracket (proof is from a neighbor I used to mow the
lawn for - he was an accountant and helped me with tax forms - he told me
about how the tax codes work.  IMHO totally unfair!)

>
>   I suspect a lot of this breed are snotnosed twenty year old know it
>alls.  I can't believe it.  I spent my twenties screaming at older
>people for being right-wing crazies, and now I'm screaming at younger
>people for being right-wing crazies.  Jesus, it's enough to make you
>swear.  

Please calm down.  Not all of us "snot noses" are right wing (though I
must admit in my teen years I was, but I wised up rather quickly).  
And looking at the population at large - most "snot noses" voted for
change and the majority democrat.  I suspect the demographic of these
newsgroups are not the national average...


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