From: tdietz@tcedge.mi.org (Tom Dietz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: CNET Info
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:15:31 GMT
Organization: EXCELSIOR! Tech Support BBS (313) 77-AMIGA
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.968

In an article, chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:

>No matter how good Excelsior may be, i certainly don't like the attitude
>it's authors have *PUBLICLY* taken.  A mud slinging campaign that puts bush
>to shame.
 
Attitude of the authors?  Whens the last time you got a hold of a BBS 
programmer, voice?  Not too soon I may add.  You buy EXCELSIOR! you can call 
us on the 800-line (thats TOLL-Free) if you run into a problem.  If you ask 
any EXCELSIOR! sysop, I even urge them to.  I want to give as much support as 
possible for the BBS program as you have paid for it.  I think the user is 
entitled to that.  Not just leaving some post on a BBS and hoping someone will
reply.

Well, as you obviously havent really been understanding what you have been 
reading.  Mudslinging?  I am sick and tired of being woken up in the middle 
of the night only to find its Ken Pletzer and his friends screaming and
swearing at me on the 800 line, and then people posting: "It couldnt be Ken"
Then calling me(us) the instigator(s) or mudslingers.

Well send me an SASE and I will return you the AT&T Detailed call log and 
the police reports.  Dont forget I have to pay for each call Ken makes.  Thats
why the legal action was taken.  He is so childish.  I cant believe anyone can
stand behind him.  I am trying to bring a product to market and have to deal 
with his antics.  He is a professional?

>shame, posting of priveledged source code (of which Ron Kushner should
>watch out, having had access to Cnet source can make him liable for
>copyright infringement and look and feel suits, since copyright includes
>derived

Impossible.  Why do you choose to accuse someone of something like that?
Its totally ignorant.

    1.  Ron has no priviledged source code.  
    2.  There is no "look and feel" as it may be rumored.
    3.  Ken has used so many others ideas both public and private that it
        really would do no good.  Keep in mind, I am not condoning this, just
        placing it on the level of you argument (err acusations).

Oh, its been said before so I have no idea why you show hypocrisy.  
Take a look at the the CNAux-Handler, its copywritten by someone else.  And I
know everyone is sick and tired of hearing that, some choose to ignore it, 
fine.  But dont accuse us of something your BBS software is clearly in 
violation of.  We take the time to write our own code.

>Joe Vasher, on the other hand, claims that the Visual Editor (which has
>been in Cnet since 1.0) was stolen out of excelsior?  I don't understand that
>one..

Again, you should read exactly what is posted.  Joe Vasher said he wrote the 
noises for CNet Amiga and received no credit.  That is between Joe and Ken.
However, Joe wrote a visual editor door for EXCELSIOR! which is distributed
with the BBS package.  Ken took the "look and feel" and ideas and put it in
CNet, fine, but its still hypocrisy for the unjust accusations.

I hate having to defend the BBS's image each time someone claims "rip-off".  
If you have seen our BBSDEMO program, you can clearly see that CNet has taken 
many many ideas, including his new point and click config, which the ideas for 
it were taken from EXCELSIOR!, we have had one since day one.  I have no 
complaints with that.  Ideas are ideas.  I have said this many times before.  
But the Cnet die-hards refuse to acknowledge it.  All I am asking is next time,
before you go screaming "rip-off" take a look at things first.

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