From: perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Marx Brothers
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:44:13 GMT
Organization: HJF AIDS Research Project, Washington DC

In article <1992Aug29.174516.24763@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.083509.23522@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.233006.15783@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Ted!  Who was Julius Marx?  Oh well, White Men Can't Proofread, huh?
>>>>Did ya mean to say Groucho?  Wanna post some C code for my collection?
>>>
>>>Given that Julius was "Groucho," I fail to see the proofreading error.
>>>However, I feel all Italians on the net should be offended by your use
>>>of the Marx Brothers' nicknames, which were given to them by someone
>>>making fun of Italians.  My use of Julius, Arthur/Adolph, Leonard,
>>>Herbert or Milton in reference to the brothers is perfectly acceptable.
>>
>>See, Ed, what happens to you when you mix hubris and intellectual
>>laziness? Now all of those times you tried to pin racist labels on
>
>We've learned something not exactly earth-shattering, that Julius was
>Groucho's real name.

But Ed, you were so *sure* that it wasn't! How could you be wrong?

>You'll notice that my question marks left open the
>possibility that Tedster, he of the monster racist video collection to
>which he retreats after a hard day spent reading legal crits with his
>lips moving, had a bit of trivial information.

No, you *closed* it with your snide remark about "white men can't
proofread".

>I submit that despite
>the high quality of the Marx Brothers, their real names are trivial with
>respect to the issues under discussion, including Frank's love of racist
>vaudeville routines.

You didn't trivialize what their real names were, you made that the
basis of a snide remark. Now you want to duck the issue to avoid a
hearty and well-deserved meal of crow. C'mon, Ed, eat up.

>Again, you and he only reinforce my point re the
>fact that forty years of TV has resulted in a widespread inability to
>make distinctions, whether between Viktora and Martin Luther King, or
>Amos 'n Andy and Spike Lee.

Maybe you should stop reinforcing that you are too lazy and dishonest
to make distictions among contexts. Context will tell you whether
the differences between Viktora and MLK or between A&A and Spike Lee
are important to the matter at hand.

>It has, it is evident in folks like you and
>the Tedster, resulted in people who literally are unable to make value
>judgements, who see all things as residing at the same low level.

Context, Ed. Statements are only meaningful in context. Change the
context and you change the meaning. Obscure the context and you get
to lie while quoting the now out-of-context statement in full. Your
lies make you look foolish, Ed.

>Fifth graders pride themselves on being able to one-up each other with
>trivialities that are irrevelant in the long run.

"White men can't proofread" sounds more like Kindergarten to me.


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