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From: mos@gasco.com (Mark O'Shea  x1527)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:47:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Nov19.224702.24412
Organization: NorthWest Natural Gas Company, Portland Oregon.
Originator: mos@cetus


In article <75258@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
|> In article <myers.722046856@hickory.cs.scarolina.edu> myers@cs.scarolina.edu (Daniel Myers) writes:
|> >Just something worth noting...
|> >
|> >It was made pretty clear (at least as I remember it) that the Alien
|> >critters were a artifically created life-form, made to be the perfect
|> >weapon, and that they were extremely adaptable to adverse conditions.
|> 
|> Um, no.
|> 
|> Ash states that they are the "perfect organism", but neither he nor anyone
|> else ever states that they were artificially created.

In either the book (which came after the movie) or the movie.  It was stated
that the Aliens were genetically engineered.
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From: nigel@socs.uts.edu.au (Nigel Pearson)
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:02:02 GMT

In <1992Nov11.212230.5626@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>NOW:
>What was that blue film over the eggs in the first movie?  What happened to
>the alien that gestated inside of the pilot?  And why didn't the colony pick
>up on the warning beacon from the derelict, either before, or during their 
>occupancy of Acheron?

	Didn't Dallas turn it OFF when they found it in the derelict ship?

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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: 2001 question
Date: 22 Nov 1992 13:28:50 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca (THE EYE-BALL KID) writes:

>Couldn't help you there. But you might have noticed (in the same scene) 
>there IS gravity in space! When Flloyd drinks from the tray, the liquid 
>falls back down the tube. In space this wouldn't happen!

Sorry.  You can't escape gravity.  It is everywhere.  Yes, even in space.
Now, the astronauts in the space shuttle are only a few miles above the
Earth's surface.  You think there is no gravity up there?  Well, let me
tell ya, the gravity there is very strong.  However, the shuttle is 
basically in free fall around the earth, and the astronauts are too, 
giving them a feeling of weightlessness.

keith

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From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Subject: Re: GODZILLA QUESTIONS
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:24:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.133245.10077@oswego.Oswego.EDU> DUDE@OSWEGO!UB! (Edward G. Farrell ) writes:
>
>   Just a few questions concerning the new Godzilla
>
>1) In the movie GODZILLA VS. KING GHIDORAH what does the non-mutated dinosaur
>look like. I heard that Gojirasaurus was something like a Tyrannosaur. Is this
>true. Is there any visual distinction between Godzilla in his pre and post
>mutated forms?
>
>2) What does Battra look like in GODZILLA VS. MOTHRA? has anyone seen any pict-
>ures yet of this creature?
>
>3) Is DARK HORSE comices going to release an adaption of GODZILLA VS. BIOLLANTE?
>If so, when?
>
>
>thanks                             
>                
>                                                                      -Ed

1) The gojirasaur looks like a tyrannosaur with a long neck and a small
head. It has small bumps running down its back, which become the soft
plates on Godzilla's back.

2) Battra, a "battle Mothra," looks something like a centipede in its
larval stage, except that it has only about twelve legs on each side of
its body. The adult is built like the adult Mothra, except that it has
very little hair, is gray in color except for the orange and yellow 
design on the wings which is somewhat similar to Mothra's, and has 
longer legs.

3) Dark Horse did announce a comic adaptation of GOJIRA VS BIORANTE,
but it was supposed to be out a long time ago. I don't know if it's 
just been delayed, or cancelled.

 

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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: What is Deckard (was Re: Are *YOU* Human?)
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
In-reply-to: rsm58307@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:51:54 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<RSHOLMES.92Nov21135403@rodan.syr.EDU> <By53IK.6yr@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:15:06 EST

In article <By53IK.6yr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rsm58307@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ron) writes:

>The device pointed at the eye was not to measure some sort of reflective
>value (glowing?).  It was to measure subtle, uncontrollable reflex movements
>that followed off of the moral questions asked.

Yes, I know. I'm not suggesting a hard scientific link. I'm suggesting
maybe the glow was intended to be significant *to the audience* --
perhaps in the "real world" occupied by these characters the glow
doesn't even exist -- and that it rather than some other signal was
chosen because it might remind you of the device.

Maybe not. I certainly wouldn't want to build an entire theory of
Deckard's replicanthood on it. But I found it intriguing that so many
people, and one animal, exhibited this phenomenon, and all were
replicants except -- or including -- Deckard.

Followups to r.a.sf.movies.

--
- Rich Holmes
"In general, the dance music of P.D.Q. Bach -- although we have no
 documentary evidence of this -- suggests that one of his legs was
 shorter than the other." -- Prof. Peter Schickele
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From: ojvind@chagall.cns.caltech.edu (Ojvind Bernander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: What is Deckard (was Re: Are *YOU* Human?)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 05:38:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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Keywords: Bladerunner, Philip K. Dick, Replicants

In article <1992Nov16.192643.8619@ugle.unit.no> oscar@Lise.Unit.NO (Rune Aasgaard) writes:
>
>Question : Was Deckard a replicant or not?
>

Hej Rune,

There was a big fight among the powers that be at the studio as
to whether Deckard was to be made out a replicant or not.

In the original (broad-release, video) version of Bladerunner,
Deckard was not a replicant.  Though parallels are drawn between
D and the replicants, there is no evidence.  This is the way
Harrison Ford and many others preferred it.

Spoiler below:

In the recent (last month) release of the "director's cut"
director Ridley Scott got it his way:  D is a replicant.
The evidence for this was an added scene where D dreams of
a unicorn.  In the end, D finds an origami (paper) unicorn
on his floor, suggesting not only that the cop had been there
and allowed Rachel to live, but also that he knows what
D is dreaming, just like D knew about Rachel's dreams.

I totally agree with you, Rune, that this it's not that interesting
whether D is a replicant or not.  (In fact, I thought it a bit cheap
to make him a replicant).  What makes someone/something human?
I personally side with the replicants.
   _
-- Ojvind
From: spongebo@cithara.uucp (THE EYE-BALL KID)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: BLADE RUNNER--DIRECTOR'S CUT --???
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:11:04 EST
Organization: Local Testbed for network mail, we trust!

BRADHAMP@ASHLEY.COFC.EDU writes:

> I saw BLADE RUNNER--DIRECTORS CUT today and I think the theatre pulled a 
> hoax:  the movie lasted only 2 hours, and I saw maybe 4 or 5 two second 
> shots that are not present in what I have been able to rent from video 

The differences in the two are not that substantial (in terms of length) 
but the diffence in interpretation is dramatic.
> store for years -- there was no fantasy dream sequence, there was no 
> different ending, just Ford and Young driving off into the countryside and 

In the "director's cut" they don't drive off anywhere. They catch the 
elevator. The "driving sequence" was tacket on to the end of the first 
version (first released version) and is the second-unit footage from THE 
SHINING rear-projected behind that "spinner" Ford drives.

> then credits.  I thought the directors cut was supposed to be closer to 3 
> or 4 hours long with several very distinct segments not previously seen...

No. The running times are actually quite close, I think (five minutes 
either way!), but if you saw them flying into the sunset, then you were 
ripped-off. GO back to the theatre and demand your money back, or report 
them to the consumer protection beureau.

> 
> Will everyone that has seen the Director's Cut please let me know in detail
> what the differences are -supposed- to be, and if this theatre was trying 
> to dupe un-informed viewers.
> 
> 
> Thank You,       bradhamp@ashely.cofc.edu
> 
> 


Spongebo - THE EYE-BALL KID (:::::-)

spongebo%cithara@comback.login.qc.ca
From: putzolu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (David Putzolu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Highlander trivia questions
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:37:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

Hi scifi movie fans. I've got a really minor trivia question from
the movie the Highlander that I need answered. I hope you don't
mind that I post it to your scifi group, but there just weren't any
rec.arts.ancient.immortal.dude.movies groups I could find. :)

The question: What is the liquor that Connor MaCleod orders at the
bar? I think it is "GlenSomething", but just cannot remember what
that something is. Please send email, although I'll keep an eye on
this group as well.

Thanks!

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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator II *flaw*
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:17:36 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1du4ohINN6bg@chnews.intel.com>, by smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~):
> I just saw Terminator again (the first movie) the Psychologist brought up the
> question about the terminator comming though, in the intearigation in the police
> station, and the guy said that it was a machine incased in living tissue....

So?
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From: howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells)
Subject: Re: FLASH GORDON!
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:59:29 GMT

01fortec@ac.dal.ca writes:

<According to Leonard Maltin's MOVIE VIDEO Guide 1992, the movie
<has been released on video as FLASH GORDON: MARS ATTACKS THE WORLD.
<He cross-lists the description under the title THE DEADLY RAY 
<FROM MARS. He doesn't say who's putting it out, however.

This is probably not the entire serial but rather an edited down feature
film version taken from the serial, and as such would be worthless. All
of the Flash Gordon serials were condensed into 90 minute "movies", but
they're not nearly as much fun to watch as the entire 4 hour versions.

The entire serial is, as far as I know, unavailable commercially.

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From: atomas@geloser.login.qc.ca (J-F Bissonnette)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Need info about ALIEN
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:46:12 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

Hi everyone,

I just rented Alien 3 today and must admit that I've been
thrilled and feel a bit of deception.  Making Ripley die
does'nt make sens for my point of view.  I wont add 
anything on that point since it was well discuss here before.

A few months ago, I've seem some posting about a possible
Alien 4 or somthing like that.  First how can they make any
other movie about it since Ripley died?  What was the common
point about the fourth movie.  Since I'm an Alien maniac I'd
like to know as much as possible on that.  Did anybody heard
about it?  

Please E-mail for answer...

Thanks!

J.F.

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From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri)
Subject: Re: Computers in films/TV -** THE LIST **-
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:25:05 GMT

>>>>> In article <Bxxz67.C2u@avalon.nwc.navy.mil>,
>>>>> dejesus@avalon.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus) writes:

>W.O.P.R		- War Games

FXD> It was called the "WOPR", but didn't they address is simply as
FXD> "joshua"?  IMHO, that would make a better name for a Unix box
FXD> than "WOPR" (which always leads people to the question "where's
FXD> the Big Mac?" :-> ).

"joshua" was the back door Falcon left in the system. Broderick's
character uses that name often, and Falcon does once or twice, but
nobody else.

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From: kneale@noao.edu (ruth a. kneale)
Subject: Re: No no no...it's not XTRO...
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:38:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.214707.13895@u.washington.edu> labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson) writes:

>Another one (don't remember title) is set in Antartica, and one station
>unearths (un-ices) a crashed alien ship.  The alien, when thawed out,
>takes the form of its victim, eventually killing most of the characters
>before dying by fire.  The two who kill it end up dying  from hypothermia.
> Anyone out there remember the title?
>
>LabMaster
>


Yeah, that's John Carpenter's _The THing_.  The original (don't know
year) was good, but the remake, done in the early 80's, was great.
(IMHO, of course.)

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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:48:26 GMT

In article <u906789.721889514@bruny>, u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
> 
> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Nov11.212230.5626@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
> >>Shorthand for visible light.  Another obligatory slam at A3, in which our
> >>"perfect" killing machine relies on the same perceptual tools we astigmatic 
> >>humans use.  Ugh.
> What's wrong with aliens seeing? I don't get it...

I got into Big trouble with the A3 devotees over this when the movie came out,
so I'll keep this brief: When you consider the behavior/attributes/known facts
about the bugs, the Alien-cam work that Fincher did was pretty silly.  In short,
it doesn't reflect accurately what/how an organism like that would "see" - - 
whether they actually have eyes, or something analogous, is left as an exercise
for the student.

> >Ah.  Colors of the spectrum.  Got it.  Hmm, yes, again, no way to get around
> >that bad writing.  OK, so the Aliens don't have eyes.  How do they see?  Or,
> >how do they sense what's around them?

Any of us can think of several ways; the moviemakers simply dropped the ball,
here.
 
> >>And why didn't the colony pick
> >>up on the warning beacon from the derelict, either before, or during their 
> >>occupancy of Acheron?
> 
> It stopped working. The ship had been disturbed sometime after _Alien_.

??? Where do you get this from?  The LD?  
According to the book, the colony was shielded from the transmissions by a 
mountain range, or some such nonesense.  Bleagh.
 
Kevvy Kev
"Hard to believe that anything that big, putting out that kind of resonance, 
 could have sat here for this long without being noticed."
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From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Subject: GODZILLA: QUESTIONS, ANYONE?
Keywords: Godzilla Ifukube Honda Monster Japan
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:47:28 GMT

I will be meeting with Akira Ifukube, the composer of the scores
to films such as GODZILLA, KING OF THE MONSTERS, GODZILLA VS. MOTHRA
and DESTROY ALL MONSTERS when I am in Japan in December. There is a 
good chance I will also be meeting with Ishiro Honda, the director
of these films.

If you have any questions you would like me to ask either of them, 
please send them to me by private e-mail. Also, if you have anything
you would like to say to them, I will be happy to hand deliver a 
letter for you. Both Ifukube and Honda can read at least some English.
Again, contact me privately if you are interested in this.

I will post the full text of my interview, or interviews, when I return
from Japan, which will be on Dec. 20th. I also will post a full 
synopsis and review of GOJIRA VS MOSURA at that time.



David Milner  Columbia University
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From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Space Opera (Was: sound in space)
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:31:02 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <By4nAq.7B7@news.ucs.mun.ca>, jfarrell@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (James Farrell) writes:
>Sorry Keith,

>Sound waves do not travel in space. Sound waves can't travel through a
>vacuum. Therefore, no matter how great the explosion, the sound waves
>will not be heard.

I don't believe Keith was talking about _sound_ waves, he was referring to
the shock wave of the expanding gas shell, which would quite literally impact
the hull of any nearby ship and cause it to vibrate.  While a sound _wave_
requires a medium, a shock wave of this sort does not, and it no more remark-
able than hearing the pitter-patter of shrapnel bouncing off your hull. As far
as the inhabitants of the ship are concerned, they _heard_ something.

I note two things about the "sound in space" and "banking turns in vacuum"
stuff in modern space opera.  Sound is one type of feedback device, ship
sensors might generate appropriates "sounds" for things they know are not
the pilot's visual field in order to give the aural feedback regarding
positions of enemy or friendly vessels.  Thus, Luke's ship would have been
fighting in silence, but we, the audience, were treated to Luke's on-board
"soundtrack", which was actually largely generated by the on-board computer
to help him conceptualize the circumstances of battle.  This idea was used in
some short story, but I don't recall what it was, but it's a reasonable
enough explanation that I always invoke it in such circumstances.

The "banking in vacuum" stuff is explained by recalling that all these stories
posit FTL, which requires _some_ type of "warping" or other space curvature-
generating devices. Such devices would permit banking by distorting surrounding
space until a new heading was achieved.  Such devices have certain pluses:
your vessel becomes more difficult to target (the lifespace of a starship or
fighter that _looses_ this capability is probably measured in the few nano-
seconds the enemy fire-control computer needs to compute an intercept course),
and the vessel can conserve momentum while changing direction, instead of
wasting momentum and fuel to cancel one vector to generate another.  Of course,
there are minuses as well: turn off your engines and you coast to a complete
stop.

Of course, the clear implication of the "coast to a complete stop" bit is
the existence of a preferred base-frame reference, the lack of which is very
nearly the foundation of modern physics.  But we knew the movie posited such
a thing anyway since they never suffer time-dilation or other temporal distor-
tion effects, either.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
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