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From: Bob_Frankston@frankston.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Living in the Past
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:32:00 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 755, Message 9 of 12

One frustrating thing about Telco is that they don't understand
anything beyond POTS.  For example, when installing a line next door,
they took out one of my pairs and claim they can't promise to repair
it till 5pm tomorrow.  I asked them to busy out the line in the
interim since anything more complicated would utterly confuse them.

But one would think that after a quarter century of ESS service there
would be something better than just busying out a line.  Why can't I
ask for an interecept to say "A problem has been reported on this
line, please call back later".  Even better would be the ability to
record my own interim message.  Naah, that would require a company
that has a modicum of understanding a competitive marketplace.  After
all, if car drivers had no choice but to buy buggy whips, why improve
them.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:18:33 GMT
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: AT&T Wants $3 For International DA
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 733, Message 11 of 13

In article <telecom12.730.8@eecs.nwu.edu> pedregal@cs.umass.edu writes:

> AT&T people have been nice and helpful; on occasion they've
> asked whether I'd prefer to do the talking with the remote DA.

When I called via Sprint 10777 + 0 for Vienna DA, the dialogue went
somewhat like this:

	Operator:  What is the name of the party you need the number for?

	Me:	   I need the number for the Doblinger-Musikhaus on
		   the Dorotheergasse.

	Operator:  Excuse me, the *what*?

	Me:	   The Doblinger-Musikhaus on the Dorotheergasse.

	Operator:  Uh ... I think I'll let you ask for it.

> [Moderator's Note: The same gentleman's voice on the intercept I heard
> the other day is used in the message France plays over and over for
> callers to Directory Enquiry who must sit in a queue for five minutes
> waiting their turn: 'Telee-kom Services ... we're trying to extend
> your call.  Please stand by,' followed by two or three bars of music.

The Vienna tape is QUITE annoying.  It repeats in three
languages: German, English ("Here is Vienna [!], hold the line
please"), and French ("Ici Vienne, attendez s'il vous plait"),
followed by a G major arpeggio, and then the whole thing repeats again
and again.

> This ten second blurb followed by five seconds of silence plays over
> and over to callers in the queue for directory, about four times per
> minute for 20-30 recitations before the French operators deign to
> respond and look up the number requested. ("Oui, Pittsburgh? I'm soo
> sorry that mademoiselle waited ten minutes then got cut off without an
> answer, and had to dial again and wait five more minutes.") 

More than once, I sat with that message for five minutes and then got
a reorder.


Gabe Wiener - Columbia Univ.   gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu 
N2GPZ in ham radio circles     72355,1226 on CI$
From: NIEBUHR@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (Dave Niebuhr, BNL CCD, 516-282-3093)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: 516-711 Exchange
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:24:41 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 739, Message 6 of 17

> Because of the recent messages regarding 711 being among a list of
> prefixes recited on a recording for the Hicksville (516 area, N.Y.)
> exchange, I did some testing from Newark, Delaware, with default
> carrier MCI:

> 1-516-938-9901 got that same recording.
> 1-516-711-9901 and 10288-1-516-711-9901 could not be completed as
>   dialed.  They got the respective carriers' intercepts.  A side
>   note: the AT&T message, as I have received at least once before
>   recently, was from "410-1T" and not from 215.  (Newark is next
>   door to Maryland but has no local service to Maryland.)

Based on Carl's information, I have a very funny suspicion that 711 is
a telco number and not in general use.


Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:26:51 -0500
From: Phillip.Dampier@f228.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Phillip Dampier)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: My Favorite Intercepts
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 744, Message 13 of 14

fybush@unixland.natick.ma.us (Scott Fybush) wrote:

> One more note ... the Czech phone system has an interesting
> intercept that I encountered multiple times that morning ... it's a
> recording without a tri-tone that says "International Exchange,
> Prague.  The [something] you have [something] is [something]."  I
> heard the recording at least a dozen times, and I still didn't quite
> get it.  Anyone else hear it?

Yes.  It formerly said something like "International Exchange, Prague.
The number you have dialed is not connected.  Please contact your
operator."  There was another verson like this. Now, the recording has
become quite mangled.  I can make out "direction engaged."  Perhaps it
is their version of a reorder, although I suspect it is, in reality,
supposed to be a non working number intercept.  The recordings within
Czechoslovakia itself are different.  These messages are provided for
international calls.

The intercepts with the most class, in my opinion, are the general
intercept messages from Japan's KDD International Telephone Office
complete with a little tune, New Zealand's "the Wellington number you
have reached is now seven digits," and South Africa's invalid areacode
intercept.

Japanese recordings don't use the tri tones at all.  If you get past
the KDD International intercept, the local recordings are quite
creative.  They use chimes and/or musical tunes.  The intercepts that
repeat the number you dialed back to you are nothing less than bizarre
sounding to me, but then again, I don't understand Japanese.

The most boring intercepts are those from Germany (right to the
point), the French outer territories (which always seem to be running
on the winner of the wow and flutter tape unit award), India, which
barely makes it out, and the old British standby, the long tone, which
doesn't allow us to hear anything at all. :-)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:51:08 -0700
From: mmt@redbrick.com (Maxime Taksar)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: What Does a DS-3 Circuit Terminate at?
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 747, Message 6 of 14

In article <telecom12.739.3@eecs.nwu.edu>, Peter M. Weiss <PMW1@psuvm.
psu.edu> writes:

> According to the _Link Letter_ March/April 1992 - Vol. 5 No.1, lead
> article "T3 Network Nears Full Production":

>       "Merit obtains NSFNET backbone services from ANS which
>       provides a major national network that operates at T3 speeds
>       using circuits provided by MCI and central networking
>       technology based on the IBM RS/6000 (TM)."

I stand corrected.  Aparently my information is outdated and ANS has
now upgraded to rs/6000s.  In any case, I'm certainly glad to hear it!


Maxime Taksar   KC6ZPS   mmt@RedBrick.COM
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: N0N/N1N Exchanges and 1+ Dialing
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:57:18 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 746, Message 1 of 11

In article <telecom12.744.5@eecs.nwu.edu> is written:

> Within area codes which contain N0N or N1N exchanges, is it always
> required to dial all ten digits of numbers within the area code?  If
> not, how can the switching network distinguish between (for example)
> the following two calls made from Manhattan:

> 1-818-xxxx (In-area, calling 818 exchange);
> 1-818-www-xxxx (Calling 818 area code).

In New York and New Jersey, you dial 1+ before an area code.  Calls
within the area code are dialed without a 1.  In the 212, 718, and 917
areas, all calls within and among 212, 917, and 718 happen to be local
(or at most message units) so there's no issue of 1+ for toll, and in
fact you dial 1 + 718 + number to make a local call from Manhattan to
Queens, or 1 + 917 + number to call a beeper or fax machine within
Manhattan.

You always dial the area code on a 0+ call, though there's not much
reason to make an operated assisted local call.

As has been noted here before, in parts of New Jersey, calls within
the same area code may be local, intra-LATA toll, or inter-LATA toll
(609 is two LATAs.)  The dialing plan makes no distinction among the
three types of calls.  Depending on your point of view, this is either
a great convenience because you don't have to memorize what prefixes
are where, or an evil plot to trick us into making unwitting toll
calls.  Again, all 0+ calls require the area code.

In some other areas, e.g., Atlanta and Toronto, you have to dial 1+
the local area code for toll calls within the same area code.  It's
not clear to what extent this is to preserve 1+ for toll and to what
extent archaic switch equipment requires it.


Regards,

John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:44:42 GMT
From: stevef@wrq.com (Steve Forrette)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: AT&T Public Phone 2000
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 750, Message 13 of 13

In article <telecom12.740.1@eecs.nwu.edu> cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu (Roy
M. Silvernail) writes:

> On a trip to California last week, I had the chance to try out an AT&T
> Public Phone 2000.  This is the one with the terminal screen and
> keyboard, and a swipe-reader for your calling card.  Pretty nifty
> gadget.

> It'll be interesting to see what the bill looks like.  The posted
> rate is $2.50 for the first ten minutes.

The bill for the call comes in two parts: One for the call, which
appears on your regular calling card bill, and a separate bill for the
terminal rental.  This bill appears to come from a division that bills
just for this purpose.  It seemed like a waste of resources to me to
send out a separate bill, especially in my case where my rental fee
was under $10.


Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:18:01 -0700
From: henry@ads.com (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Question About Air Phones
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Tdarcos@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Tdarcos) wrote:

> Is this correct?  She ended up with both the handset and the credit
> card (she did put the handset back).  I thought that the base unit
> required that it retain the credit card to prevent someone from
> (accidentally or intentionally) walking off with the handset.

When the "base unit" is in the seat back you get your card back since
the handset is wired to the seat ...

(And yes, they still work poorly.  I tried one a few weeks ago.  What
a rip.)


# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:48 EDT
From: wariat!catfood@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: N0N/N1N Exchanges and 1+ Dialing
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 744, Message 5 of 14

Within area codes which contain N0N or N1N exchanges, is it always
required to dial all ten digits of numbers within the area code?  If
not, how can the switching network distinguish between (for example)
the following two calls made from Manhattan:

1-818-xxxx (In-area, calling 818 exchange);
1-818-www-xxxx (Calling 818 area code).

I don't see how this distinction is possible without a ten-digit
dialing requirement.


[Moderator's Note: I think the 1+ is always required, however the
system can wait for a time-out, then interpret everything it recieved
at once; i.e. seven or ten digits, etc, sort of in the way that 72#
does the same thing as 72 (stop dialing); but the former takes less
time and executes your call forwarding request immediatly, not ten or
fifteen seconds later.  The difference between '0' for the local
operator and '00' for the long distance operator is handled by a time
out unless you dial it as 0#, then it processes immediatly.   PAT]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992  17:26:30 EDT
From: FZC@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Internet White Pages
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 749, Message 13 of 13

henry@ads.com (Henry Mensch) writes:

> The second to last sentence is important: "It (this RFC) does not
> specify any standard."  Nobody is obliged to do what is written in
> RFC1202.

> Furthermore, the content of RFC 1202 doesn't even mention "Internet
> White Pages," or how to register.

My apologies.  I had the RFC number wrong.  The statement is on page
12 of one of the FYI RFCs. It could be 1252, 1302, or 1352.  I had an
accident with some industrial solvent splashed in my eye and as a
result I make some mistakes reading some items.

The term "White Pages" is not used in the RFC I was thinking of.  (I
have read it elsewhere.)

The RFC that I was thinking of, allows anyone with an Internet
accessible E-Mail address, to register their name, mailing address and
other information such as telephone number, along with registering
their E-Mail address with the NIC center at REGISTRAR@NIC.DDN.MIL.  I
saw it clearly stated in the RFC and I'll go back and look.  (It's
probably a 1300 series since I have all of those on my computer.)

I will get the exact RFC number, and page number, and send it to you
and the Digest.  My apologies for this mistake, I will see to it that
it is not repeated.


Opinions not necessarily anyone else's.

Paul Robinson   TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
Date: 26 Sep 1992 03:22:20 -0500
From: scm3775@tamsun.tamu.edu (Sean Malloy)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: education.tele.com
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 739, Message 12 of 17

>> You may want to talk to the electrical engineering department at a nearby
>> university to get a better idea about undergraduate coursework in
>> telecommunications.

> Here at Texas A&M University, there is a specialized field of the
> Engineering Technology degree plan which is directed toward
> telecommunications.  As I am not involved in this degree plan, I do
> not have other information on it, but try 800 directory for Texas
> A&M ... call up and find out who to talk to.

The person you want to contact at Texas A&M University is Pierre
Catala.  I'd give out his office phone number, but I don't think
that's a wise course of action without checking with him first.  He
can be reached at PJC3151@VENUS.TAMU.EDU or you can call 409-845-4741
(Texas A&M General Information Number) and get the number for the
Department Of Engineering Technology.  In case you need to know for
some reason, Telecom is three levels deep in the hiearchy, which goes
Engineering Technology -> Electronics -> Telecom.

Also, I'm sure that Dr. Catala would love to hear from persons wanting
to donate equipment to the program as well ;-)


Sean C. Malloy      scm@tamu.edu   Texas A&M University
From: rlm@indigo2.hac.com (Robert L. McMillin)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Centel of Florida Merging With "Sprint Corporation"
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:25:06 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 754, Message 5 of 13

[stuff deleted about Sprint buying out Centel of Florida]

US Sprint used to be a subsidiary of United Telecom.  This latter
organization renamed itself after its largest operating entity,
namely, Sprint.  The "US" was dropped about a year or more ago as
being too parochial for a business involved in international telecom
services, whatever quality those on c.d.t may find them to be.


Robert L. McMillin                     | Voice:    (310) 568-3555
Hughes Aircraft/Hughes Training, Inc.  | Fax:      (310) 568-3574
Los Angeles, CA                        | Internet: rlm@indigo2.hac.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:37:29 GMT
From: david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Phone Books (was Unusual Busy Signal)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
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JOHN SCHMIDT <schmidt@auvax1.adelphi.edu> writes:

> They have a pretty decent phone book, about 1" thick, includes white
> and yellow pages, printed from opposite ends of the directory, upside
> down from each other.  You flip the directory over vertically to
> switch from white to yellow pages!  Does anyone know anywhere that
> does this?

Yes -- Australia. For all but the capital cities (Sydney & Melbourne
have grown so large that they have four books (A-K, L-Z in white and
yellow)) the telephone book is as you describe. In Wollongong we have
280 pages of white and 848 pages of yellow -- the spine is for the
yellow pages section.


David Wilson			   (042) 21 3802 voice, (042) 21 3262 fax
Dept Comp Sci, Uni of Wollongong   david@cs.uow.edu.au
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:55:25 GMT
From: kah005@acad.drake.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Digital Cable Radio / DMX
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 758, Message 3 of 5

The recent article describing Digital Cable Radio (DCR) sounds exactly
like Digital Music Xpress (DMX) that is run by International
Cablecasting.  Our system (A recent TCI acquisition, formerly Heritage
CableVision of Des Moines) got it last June.  I started subscribing
this August when I got back to school, and I too think it is
excellent.  It is nice being able to listen to just music, and leave
the DJ's in the car radio.

There are, however a few differences between DCR and DMX.  DMX has 30
channels, as opposed to 29.  There is no toll free number to find out
what is playing, but the optional remote has an LCD display on top
which will tell you everything.  Point the remote to the tuner and
press view.  An infa-red signal is sent FROM THE BOX, TO THE REMOTE
with the song title, album name, composer name, and record label/ID
data.  It will then display all the info on the display.  The remote
can also control most popular cable television tuner boxes (SA, Tocom,
Jerrold, Oak, Zenith)

The tuner box is Scientific Atlanta, and not only has left and right
line-leval RCA type outputs, but also has direct digital output, for
newer AMPs that have their own D/A coverters.  (I do not know if DCR
uses similar equipment.)

Prices are a bit high here, but what can you expect from TCI??

Service   - $5.00/month
Tuner Box    4.95/month  or purchase for $95.00
Remote       2.95/month  or purchase for $29.95

I suppose I should mention that a simple remote is included with tuner
box rental, but does not display any info, nor controls cable
television tner boxes.  It just turns unit on/off, mutes, and changes
channels.

I have nothing to do with any cable company, nor am I trying to sell
the DCR or DMX service.  I am just sharing my experience.


Kris Harris - PO BOX 2410 - Des Moines, IA  50311-0410 - (515) 254-2117
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 11:02:14 PDT
From: cereghin@netcom.com (Jon Cereghino)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: 711 as 911?
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 739, Message 11 of 17

The number 711 was used as a test number in the Santa Clara County
area a few years ago when E911 was being installed. At the time,
however, dialing 911 would route you to intercept because 911 was not
operational.

The Santa Clara County area is slated to receive upgrades to the
present E911 system within the next two years. It is possible the new
system (components or upgrade) will be also be tested using the 711
number.


Jon    cereghin@netcom.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:44:06 GMT
From: newsdesk@dims.demon.co.uk (Darren Ingram)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Nigel Allen's List of U.S. Telecom Industry Periodicals
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 735, Message 5 of 13

Nigel Allen  wrote:

> Here is a list of some U.S. telecommunications industry newspapers and
> magazines.

> If your company or organization wants to announce something related to
> telecommunications, you may want to send a press release to each of
> the following publications (and you may also want to post a message
> about it in this newsgroup).

They may also wish to send them to Darren Ingram Media Services, 184
Brookside Avenue, Coventry CV5 8AD UK Tel +44 203 717 417 Fax: +44 203
717 418 Telex 94026650 DBRIG or e-mail newsdesk@dims.demon.co.uk

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