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From: cka@aifbdelta.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de (Claus Kaldeich)
Subject: Re: Facismo (RE: Claus )
Organization: AIFB, University of Karlsruhe (Baden / Germany)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:02:33 GMT

In article <BxLnEE.K5H@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, wradler@cip.informatik.uni-
erlangen.de (Werner Adler) writes:
> [...]
> Fico admirado com a finesse com que voce trata os nazis de Sr. e Dr.
> Garanto que voce se refere ao Goebles com Dr. nao e'?
                     ^^^^^^^^
Na~o sabe que tratar uma pessoa por "tu'" requer uma `certa intimidade', que 
eu na~o tenho de forma alguma com os por ti' referidos elementos. 
Por isso mantenho distancia, e os trato da forma que tratei. 
Mas, quem sabe, voce na~o tenha condic,o~es de entender esta difiernc,a!!
Talvez voce trate seu pai por "Senhor", dai', talvez, a sua analogia entre a 
forma de tratamento e o Goebels!!!!!!!!

Os meus antepassados emigraram da Alemanha para o Brasil antes da era do 
"poder nazista", em func,a~o de `perseguic,o~es' que sofriam. 
Ale'm do mais, minha familia tem uma `tradic,a~o' socialisma e liberal.  
Mas onde andavam os seus avo's na epoca dos "nazis" e da II Guerra?? 
Espero que na~o em um dos muitos `discursos' do Sr. Goebels, ou `perseguindo'
algue'm... ^^^^

Espero que voce na~o fique curioso em saber que expressa~o(o~es) uso, de hoje 
em diante,  para me "referir" a sua pessoa!!

> De onde eu venho nao tratamos canalhas de Sr.

Trata por "meu irma~o",quem sabe??
Voce vem da "parvonia", e'??? "hehehe".
 
> O nazismo nao existe no mundo todo. Usa-se o termo facismo para ideias
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^....
De fato, aqui' tens raza~o! Foi uma gafe imperdoave'l minha, confundir 
"nazismo" e "facismo"! 

> semelhantes. Ideias estas que se contrapoem a democracia e tolerancia.
> Ideias que incluem arrogancia e segregacao. Semelhantes ao teu 1.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> paragrafo. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^
Ou voce aprendeu com a Vera a `estabelecer paralelos ridi'culos' ou  esta e' 
uma `atitude' tipica da `cultura parvoneana" de onde voce, talvez venha??

Este seu post foi por demais esclarecedor. Voce se sentiu `atingido', na~o foi?
E vai se sentir muito mais `atingido' ao ler este.  

Sem mais. Ate' mais. Claus Kaldeich. 

P.S.: Talvez eu tenha me externado de forma "arrogante", mas jamais fiz `a 
ningue'm as insinuac,o~es que voce me fez neste seu post.
Para na~o "ir longe demais" (assim como voce foi), me limito a rir das suas
`piadas' e imaginar o qua~o `imaturo' sera' uma pessoa que escreve oque voce 
escreveu. Respostas a post's como o seu, so' com ironia. Voce^, ao meu ve^r, e por
mim, na~o merece ser levado a se'rio. 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.portuguese
From: emartins@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Eduardo Martins)
Subject: Re: Portuguese documents in Microsoft Word
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:20:37 GMT

gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu (Glauber) writes:

>[accents in Word for Windows]

>i should be answering this by email to go faster, but my
>email is broken, so...

>Concentrate your research on Windows. I know that when you
>install Windows, you can choose Brazil as the country,
>but there must be ways to change an already installed
>Windows so that the country is Brazil. Windows will take
>care of the keyboard and printer for you. When you have it
>right, to get an accented vowel you would type the accent
>first, then the vowel.

>					Glauber


>-- 
>Glauber Ribeiro - Wheaton College, IL  (USA)
>                  glauber@david.wheaton.edu 
>		  "Wheaton College: always at the biting edge of technology"

Glauber,
 
Basta mudar o keyboard layout (Windows Setup, Change Settings, Keyboard).
O layout brasileiro NAO deve ser usado, pois varias teclas se situam em
lugares diferentes. A melhor escolha e o US-International, que acrescenta
todos os acentos, mas nao muda a posicao das teclas.
 
       Eduard

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Subject: Re: Calvin and Hobbes
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.
	<1daq78INN6gu@agate.berkeley.edu> <1dca16INNemf@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:00:42 GMT

In article <1dca16INNemf@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gostosao@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gunther Schrappe) writes:

>Esse papo de desenho animado e legal pacas (pra nao falar pra car...),
>quando eu era pequeno eu via pra caramba.  Uma historia em quadrinho
>que eu adorava era o Asterix e Obelix.  Era um tezao (Ops! Escapou ...)
>a hora que eles enchiam de porrada os romanos...

Sem levar em conta a "violencia animada" - as "porradas" que eles davam
eram sempre sem aquela violencia de arrancar cabecas que a gente ve em
uns desenhos por ai. E as parodias aos costumes atuais dos povos, mostrados
como se fossem antigamente (2000 anos atras) eram muito boas. Vide
"Asterix e os Bretoes". 

Dica: Tintim, do Herge, e muito bom e conceituado. O desenho do cara
e fantastico ! Do Uderzo e Goscinni, que criaram o Asterix, tambem tinha
o "Umpa-pa" (titulo brasileiro), que so saiu cinco numeros, sobre 
indios (americanos) e europeus. Muito bom, pelo humor. 
Outra dica imperdivel e o Lucky Luke, satira aos "faroestes" americanos.
Divertidissimo. 

Todos existem em albuns no formato do Asterix no Brasil. Procurem nas
Sicilianos da vida. Ou pecam para um amigo mandar de la :-)

>Quanto aos desenhos animados atuais, a maioria e ridicula, sempre ligada
>a guerra e com pouco humor.  Um dos que se salva e a familia Dinossauro.
>Principalmente aquele episodio que o filho deu uma de vegetariano, tinha 
>um brocoli guardado num saquinho( que o pai achou...) e foinum bar onde 
>tocavam musica parecida com a do Bob Dilan.

Nao conheco... Mas como pude me esquecer ! Nao e desenho animado,
mas o Muppet Show e excelente ! Alguem sabe se ainda passa na TV
em algum lugar do mundo :-(

Rafael.
From: rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto)
Subject: Re: CENSURA ??!!!??!!!
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:29:54 GMT

In <1992Nov4.191941.1331@cs.wm.edu> perrone@ct.cs.wm.edu (Luiz Felipe L. Perrone) writes:
 
>  Alo brasileirada,

>   Eu sou novo na rede e nao participo muito ativamente das discussoes, 
>mas tenho lido diariamente todos os posts. Me parece que tem gente censurando
>ou criticando demais os artigos mais recentes. Acabo de ler um post
>criticando severamente um outro com um certo pedantismo ou moralismo e que
>acabou derrapando em tudo que a autora mais abomina. Nao sei se foi intencional,
>ou se ela simplesmente escorregou nas suas proprias incoerencias. Vamos dar
>uma pequena olhada no trecho final do malfadado artigo: 

>>Pena que no Japao nao tem ninguem pra ensinar esse pessoal Tsen
>>educacao o que e' respeito...ficam entulhando a rede com a suas
>>grosserias. Se antes a rede ficava cheia de posts contando as
>>baixarias do Collor, agora surgiu um substituto.
>>
>>Vera B.

>   O que da' para entender desse paragrafo ? Que a autora:

> 1) acha que no Japao nao tem ninguem com educacao ?????? Sera' que o povo
>japones nao sabe o que e' respeito ? Sera' que ela esta' generalizando ? Sera'
>que ela sabe alguma coisa sobre o povo japones ? Sera' que nao esta' faltando
>um pouco de respeito pelo povo japones ? Sera' que entao ela tem direito de 
>criticar a moral de alguem ?

> 2) nao sacou que Chung Kang Tsen nao e' um nome tipicamente japones e acabou
>atacando o povo do pais errado ?

> 3) volta e meia se esquece de praticar o que ela mesmo prega ?

> 4) todas as respostas acima

>   Nenhum dos comentarios nesse artigo me atingem diretamente, mas realmente
>me chateia ver que existe um comite de censura se formando na s.c.b. Sera' que
>de agora em diante ninguem pode colocar uma dose de humor nos seus artigos sob
>pena de ser massacrado pelo implacavel comite ? Minha opiniao pessoal, e' que
>se a s.c.b. deixar de ter uma dose de humor (mesmo que seja acido) vai se tornar
>estupidamente menos brasileira. E muito CHATA.

>  Abracos,

>    Felipe Perrone
>    Dept. of Computer Science 
>    College of William and Mary
>  
Prez

Prezado Perone


Eu tambem sou relativamente novo neste ambiente. Entretanto
eu estou de acordo contigo (100%)
E' inacreditavel de ler tantos artigos (posts) escritos
por pessoas que estao em poder de diplomas taom absurdidades
encontradas em meios completamente oposto a este.

Deo, em um artigo escrito por mim, sobre uma questan
da nacionalidade de deus, quando a ultima resposta apareceu
o assunto estava na questan da homosexualidade de uns adherentes
de futebol.

Da ate' medo de pensar que umas pessoas com tantaanta mediocrice
estao encarregada de, ensinos, professorado etc.

Respeitosamente

Xico
From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Pra dar saudade
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:09:00 GMT
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.



Estou sem palavras. Estupefato. Boquiaberto. Embasbacado. Pasmo.
Perplexo. Chocado. 
Pensando bem, estou com palavras :-)

Parabens, 
Rafael.
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Eleicao e relacoes E.U.A./A.L.
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:16:49 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Nov8.154552.21573@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> bianchi@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Marcus V Bianchi) writes:
>Jah que se tocou no assunto, vou escrever o que eu (estah certo, nao devo ser
>nenhum sabio, mas...) penso deste negocio de sexismo AQUI nos USA.  Eu nunca,
>em toda a minha vida, vi nada parecido com a paranoia que a sociedade america-
>na (de uma forma geral, eh claro) tem em relacao ao sexo.  Hah processos de
>sexual harassment por causa de um sorriso (eh verdade, sei de um caso!).  E
>sabem o motivo disto?  Porque aqui eh o lugar onde as maiores perversoes (e

Isso esta' caindo fora da linha "Subject", porem quanto `a differenca de
sexismo, o que se ve nos EUA e' uma tentativa de olhar tais atitudes de
sexismo como uma forma de agressao `a mulher, uma tentative de se conscien-
tizar de modo que tal assalto `a dignidade da mulher seja considerado uma 
atitude penalizavel dentro da lei.  Obviamente quando se trata do relaciona-
mento humano, coisas nao sao tao simples de se apurar quem fez o que contra
quem num escritorio, assim por dizer, e isso tem nada a ver, na minha opiniao, 
com se ha' mais ou menos perversos nos EUA ou nao.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Subject: Re: QUADRINHOS E DESENHOS ANIMADOS
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:56:28 GMT

In article <BxGpos.Bww.2@cs.cmu.edu> tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen) writes:

>>CALVIN...
>>Skrotinhos...
>>Piratas do Tiete...
>
>O^ pessoal, alguem por acaso lia o FRADIM, e o Amigo da onca?

Eu lia o Amigo da Onca (Pericles). Excelente ! 
Outra leitura do genero recomendada, que infelizmente nao me
lembro com certeza eram os personagens do Carlos Estevao,
que tinha personagens como Dr. Macarra (um playboy na FEB),
Herois da Noite, As aparencias enganam, etc.

Excelente satira de costumes, 100% nacional. Vale a pena.
Albuns da LPM, se nao me engano.

>Por que sera' que os personagens f.d.p. sao tao engracados?

Existe um fator de graca na miseria dos outros (serio !). 
Outro fator e que os personagens f.d.p. (sic :-) usam
situacoes do cotidiano com um tom de absurdo, que pegam os
leitores de surpresa. Um dos meus preferidos: o Amigo da Onca
pulando de um predio (suicidio), e dizendo para um amigo:
"So de brincadeira escrevi nesse bilhete que a culpa e toda sua".

Rafael.

P.S. Bom, alguem comecou a discussao sobre quadrinhos... 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Eleicao e relacoes E.U.A./A.L.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:53:02 GMT

In article <18987@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>Why can't Latin America governments keep to their own buisiness, work hard,
>produce, and simply forget about who we elect as our President? I'm sick
>ant tired of having foreign governments interfere in the internal
>affairs of my country. It is clear that there are many who do not respect
>our right to self determination.
>
>Edelmiro

Hmm....

Maybe we should ask :

Why can't the U.S. government keep to its own buisiness, work hard,
produce, and simply forget about who other countries elect or what
form of government other countries choose? I'm sick
ant tired of having the U.S. government interfere in the internal
affairs of other countries in the world. It is clear that the U.S. often
does not respect the right of other countries to self determination.

[The "substitution" command on text editors comes in handy on situations
 like this }

The world has not yet forgotten how the U.S. interfered in Chile and
helped overthrow President Salvador Allende (a democratically elected
President.

Abracoes,

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.
From: gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: FAQ request
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:43:51 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gavras@acs.bu.edu

Greetings...

Can anyone post or mail to me the FAQ (if one exists) for soc.culture.romanian
and, if such information is not included therein, any internet sites that might
exist in Romania? Thank you very much.

                         -Alexis (gavras@acs.bu.edu)
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: What Hungarian Autonomy?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:07:03 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

The fact is there are 8 milions ethnic Romanians and 1.7 milions
Hungarians in Transylvania. So whatever statistics I use 
Hungarians do not constitute more than 25% of Transylvania's 
population.  So autonomy for Transylvania as a whole is out of
the question.

The question is on what level should there be Hungarian autonomy,
if people decide they want it (in a referendum for example)?
County (judet), city, village, family?  What's the minimum
realistic unit?

Cheers
Mihai
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Moldova and Dniester
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:19:27 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov9.171540.17226@umr.edu>, msirbu@next5.cs.umr.edu (Mihai Sirbu) writes:
|> RFE/RL Daily Report                 No. 216, 9 November 1992
|> 
|> LEFT-BANK MOLDOVANS APPEAL TO WORLD. In an appeal to international
|> human rights bodies, the CSCE, and the US government, forwarded on
|> 4 November, hundreds of parents of Moldovan school children on the
|> left bank of the Dniester called attention to the "Dniester
|> republic"'s recent measures imposing the Cyrillic script in place
|> of the Latin for the "Moldovan" language, reducing instruction in
|> that language, replacing Moldovan textbooks with Russian-language
|> textbooks from the communist era, and closing down all local
|> Moldovan newspapers and radio programs.  The appeal further noted
|> that the "Dniester republic" is taking these measures under the
|> protection of Russia's 14th Army based there and "under the
|> pretext of defending the Russian-speaking population." The parents
|> appealed for the sending of fact-finding missions to the scene and
|> for international action to restore legitimate authority in the
|> area. (Vladimir Socor, RFE/RL, Inc.)

This is revolting.  What can we do about this?

Mihai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: msirbu@next5.cs.umr.edu (Mihai Sirbu)
Subject: Moldova/Romania News from RFE/RL, 11/06/92
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:38:26 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

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STAROVOITOVA DISMISSED AS YELTSIN'S NATIONALITIES ADVISER. A decree
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Hungarian Autonomy?
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:49:08 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Radu T. Tomescu (160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu) writes:
>        1)  "Historic right"  in Transylvania is secondary to the
>contemporary population ratio  criterion;
>        2) "Pay back"  policies such as: "since Hungarians oppressed
>...
>        2)  Hungarian institutions are not only old but also distinct

All what you say, both what I breifly included here and what did
I not quote, sounds very sensible and constructive to me. The
only thing I don't understand is the numbering. :-)

Unfortunately, your positive view does seem to be shared by many
in the policital community in Roumania who gave the Hungarian
request a very negative reception.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: Dan.O.Popa@dartmouth.edu (Dan O. Popa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: R. Tomescu's opinion.
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:11:17 GMT
 <1d91afINNop5@agate.berkeley.edu> 
 <1992Nov5.025539.23178@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


     I perfectly agree with what you said. Unfortunately many Romanian
people do not think that any reconciliation is necessary, and many
Hungarian people think that we are the only one responsible for this...
     To "maximize welfare"?  That will be hard to explain, as neither
Romanians nor Hungarians are familiar with western economics. But it
could be tried!

       Regards,
         dan
From: hargitai@acf3.nyu.edu (hargitai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Hungarian Autonomy
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:02:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cmcl2.Bx9Jvw.7z8
Organization: New York University

Thanks to all for bringing up the subject. I share Radu's opinion
on keeping in mind the welfare of all the people in Transylvania.
(Unfortunately I also hear that the Romanian gov. forbade the use of
the name Transylvania in postal addresses and official documents)
I also share Radu's opinion on the moves to falsify history on both
sides. 
As far as the lack of Hungarian postings, it seems to me that my people
are rather shocked by the events in Yugoslavia and smartly "moved up to
the highlands for safety".
When you have a not-so friendly Slovakia and Romania at your borders,
and
an out-of-control Serbia, it is better to think economy, trade and
peace.

joseph
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: R. Tomescu's opinion.
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:20:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov5.181117.5338@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Dan.O.Popa@dartmouth.edu (Dan O. Popa) writes:
>
>     I perfectly agree with what you said. Unfortunately many Romanian
>people do not think that any reconciliation is necessary, and many
>Hungarian people think that we are the only one responsible for this...

If this is true, we are in a quandary.. What do you think should be by
whoever has the power to diffuse ethnic conflicts in Transylvania and
subsequent dangers? 

 To "maximize welfare"?  That will be hard to explain, as neither
>Romanians nor Hungarians are familiar with western economics. But it
>could be tried!

They will have to learn, and FAST. We already are at the GNP/capita level
of Jordan, a country whose only natural resource is a blue sky...

Cheers!       

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Hungarian Autonomy
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:32:28 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

zoltan@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Zoltan Schreter) writes:

>Bravo for these mostly rational and balanced arguments on this issue!
>I enjoy some of my opinions on Romanians being falsified (I am a Hungarian).
>What a comparison with many postings on soc.culture.yugoslav!

>Zoltan Schreter
>University of Tasmania, Hobart
>Australia

What do you expect. Those guys are at war!

Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian