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From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Bonsai Burglars?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:47:30 GMT
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article ou@cmptrc.lonestar.org, andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart) writes:
> tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
> 
> >All that care didn't prevent the neighbors dog (not a pretty story) nor the
> >thieves (*sigh*)...  
> >
> >Tk
> 
>  
>  You had someone steal some of your trees!  What a drag!  What happened?
> 
>  -- Andy

Yup..  Bonsai Burglars 
 	(sounds like a good title for a Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtle movie) 

Basically, someone came over the fence and took two of my best trees... a triple
trunk Shimpaku in windswept (about 18 years old, trained for 3 years by me), and
a Trident Maple (informal upright, twelve years old or so).  I thought "just kids"
at first.. but whoever it was chose very carefully... and either came with a friend 
or made two trips.  The Shimpaku was in a very large, shallow pot - but HEAVY.  The
Maple would have been an easy one person carry away, but jumping the 6' fence? I think
it was at least two people...with a good appreciation for Bonsai.

So I lost $500 or so (much less than that invested)... I then gave my okay to my 
roommate who got his long awaited German Shepard, and we've not had any more problems.
A small fence keeps the dog out of my display/work area, and yet allows her free access 
to the rest of the yard.

BUT my instructor (about 5 years ago) showed trees in a large show in the SF bay area,
and with each tree posted a short description, age, and his name and business. 3 nights
after the show, he lost $35,000 worth of trees from the business.  He still does shows,
but no longer puts his name with any of the trees (and he installed a monster alarm
system).

I haven't been able to ever replace the triple trunk shimpaku, but one will show up
some time... 

Tk
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: BF87 <BF87@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: test
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:08:23 GMT


this is a test.
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Hexol
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:48:20 GMT
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com

In article 92Nov8220733@grymoire.crd.ge.com, barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) writes:
> In article <1dbqjhINN9g@male.EBay.Sun.COM> tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tom Kelly) writes:
> >   - thorough cleaning of tools from one tree to the next (I use Hexol)
> 
> What is Hexol? Where can it be bought?

Bruce,
	Hexol is an anticeptic (I think) that is available in many pharmacies and grocery 
stores here in CA.  Supposedly, it does a better job on the tools that alcohol, but that 
is heresay. I've never seen any data, and only heard anecdotal support for that claim.  

I use it because I "think" it's better (and my instructor said it won't hurt   ;-)

It's usually in the first aid shelves.

Tk
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: NEWS
From: cvadrbha@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:01:14 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrbha

SORRY, JUST TESTING...  :)
From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Citrus Trees
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:23:32 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: questor.sw.stratus.com


Anyone know if citrus trees can be used for bonsai (indoor for us
temperate-zoned people of course)?

I have a few limes in the fridge and wondered if it would be worth it
to through a few of them in a pot of soil.

I got a pomagranite at the supermarket yesterday and planted a few
seeds as I know they make good bonsai.

Since I don't have a lot of outdoor storage, I'm looking to start
a few varities of indoor trees.

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From: Alan@phantom.mech.ubc.ca (Alan Steeves)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: New bonsai owner! [i hope]
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:23:03 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phantom.mech.ubc.ca

Hi,

I have been following this new group since it started and have found
it both interesting and informative.  When I read the posting from
Matthew this morning I felt it was time to get my feet wet and join
in the discussion.  I don't like to discourage someone who is interested
in bonsai, but the changes of getting a Black Pine to germinate are
poor.  Even if the seed is good and it does germinate it will be a number
of years before it looks anything like the pictures on the box the pot
and seeds came in.  If you want to get some practise growing small trees
I would recommend going out next spring and digging up some pine or maple
trees that are native to your area and working on them.

The real reason for my posting is that I think that these "bonsai kits"
are a disgrace and we should do everything we can to discourage people 
from buying them.  I have seen them here selling for $10-$20.  For that you
get a pot, some soil and a few seeds.  These kits are aimed at beginners,
they offer very little value and a very small chance of success.  In fact
I would expect that most people give the kit a try and when nothing happens
they think, this is to hard me and leave the hobby.  What do the rest of
you think?
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tk)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Olive Tree
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:08:09 GMT
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com

Olive Tree (from Indoor Bonsai by P Lesniewicz)
==========
Indoors - 43-64F in winter  (can be outdoors- late spring thru summer)
	 
light?
	bright and sunny, sout or west facing
ventilation?
	airy, ventilated
watering?
	allow soil to dry out, water thoroughly, and let soil dry out again
	same process, winter and summer
feeding?
	every 3-4 weeks, early spring to autumn...a liquid bonsai or 
	houseplant food    DO NOT feed in winter
soil?
	2 parts loam, 1 part peat, 2 parts sand
repotting?
	every 2 years in spring... root prune

===========
From: boykin@gte.com (Joseph Boykin)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Bonsai places in New England
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:06:13 GMT
Reply-To: boykin@gte.com
Distribution: ne
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <7933@transfer.stratus.com>, kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:
|> In article <JEFF.92Nov5115011@claw.clearpoint.com> jeff@claw.clearpoint.com writes:
|> >... my only experience with Bonsia West was from about 5
|> >years ago in a little store in Brookline.  I live in Hopkinton and
|> >would like to know where the places in the area are.  Can you give me
|> >a number for them?
|> >
|> >Also, if you are interested, there is New England Bonsia in
|> >Blackstone (I think).  I haven't been there since they moved from
|> >Needham, but I liked them when they were at their old location.
|> >
|> 
|> Bonsai West 508 486 3556.  Located in Littleton on rt 2A, East of
|> I495.  

I've only been there a few times.  Their stock seemed "OK", but not
as good as New England Bonsai.

|> Bonsai Gardens of New England 508 883 2666.  Located in Bellingham on
|> rt 126, South of I495, South of rt140.  There hours are: su 10-5, mo
|> 10-6, tu closed, we 10-6, th 10-8, fr 10-6, st 10-6.

This is actually "New England Bonsai".  They were originally in Natick
but moved to Bellingham in September.

|> Someone mentioned something about a sale at BGofNE in December.
|> Anyone know when it starts?

New England Bonsai has sales several times a year.
They also have memberships.  They used to be $35/year or $150/life.
I know the life membership went up, but I don't know about the
annual membership.  Membership gets you a discount on classes
and materials -- definately worth it.

|> I want to take a course in the spring and need to decide which
|> place.  A couple people have already posted some stuff on these
|> places.  Anyone have any more opinions or recommendations?

I've taken several courses at New England Bonsai.  I have about
a dozen trees at this point and almost all the stock has come
from them.  THeir courses are very good, their plant materials
are excellent.  Their prices for random supplies (like Safers)
is high (no surprise).

|> Anyone know anything about Bonsai Society of New England?  I read that
|> BGofNE has free seminars for members.

NE Bonsai does have regular free seminars.  However, you can
walk in with your tree at *any* time and yell "HELP!" and get more
than you ever thought possible.

jb

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Principal Investigator
	Distributed Computing Systems
	GTE Laboratories, Inc.

Vice-President of Technical Activities
	IEEE Computer Society

Internet: boykin@gte.com
Phone: 617-466-2803
FAX:   617-466-2137
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (TK)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Ulmus parvifolia (Chinese Elm)
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:55:22 GMT
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com

Ulmus  (from Indoor Bonsai and Creative Art of Bonsai)
=====

Indoors or outdoors ... above 43F

lighting?
	lots of bright light (even direct sun)
ventilation?
	needs air movement, stands up well to wind
growth?
	fast
repotting?
	every second or third year (early spring to summer)
	prune roots by 1/2 to 2/3
soil?
	2/3 loam and 1/3 coarse sand  
	or 2 parts loam, 1 part peat, 1 part sand
watering?
	moist soil in summer (lots of watering)
	cut down watering in autumn, and even more in winter
	spray foliage in summer (early morning or late evening)
feeding?
	slow-acting organic spring to autumn EXCEPT do not feed in July/August
	DO NOT feed for 6 weeks after repotting or if in poor conidition
From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Starting cuttings
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:22:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: questor.sw.stratus.com



The procedure I always used with house plants is to put the cutting in
a vial of water.  Change the water every few days.  Wait for some
roots start start forming, then plant it in soil.  Most bonsai books
I've seen say to just plant in soil with the stem treated with root
hormone.

Which procedure is better?  Does it vary with types of trees, and if
so, by what criteria?  Does is make a difference if the cutting is
green or woody?



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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler)
Subject: Re: New bonsai owner! [i hope]
Organization: /usr/users/user4/mappler/.organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:59:55 GMT

Well, I've experimented with two mature trees up till now.  I decided
on the "kit" version to give it a shot from the beginning.  I very
diligant in my care.  I fortunatly have followed this newsgroup as
well as my Japanese language instruction long enough to know that
bonsai take YEARS to mature.  It isn't like a marigold.  But I agree,
most people would not see it this way.  I don't mind waiting a couple
of years.  But, they do put some gorgeous pictures on the box!!!
Thanks for the tip though, and if it doesn't work out, I think I will
go find some small saplings and try to make a go of it.

  Matthew Appler
--
Matthew Appler - University of Massachusetts, Amherst
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From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai,ne.general
Subject: Bonsai places in New England
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:34:58 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bonsai
Distribution: ne
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <JEFF.92Nov5115011@claw.clearpoint.com> jeff@claw.clearpoint.com writes:
>... my only experience with Bonsia West was from about 5
>years ago in a little store in Brookline.  I live in Hopkinton and
>would like to know where the places in the area are.  Can you give me
>a number for them?
>
>Also, if you are interested, there is New England Bonsia in
>Blackstone (I think).  I haven't been there since they moved from
>Needham, but I liked them when they were at their old location.
>

Bonsai West 508 486 3556.  Located in Littleton on rt 2A, East of
I495.  

Bonsai Gardens of New England 508 883 2666.  Located in Bellingham on
rt 126, South of I495, South of rt140.  There hours are: su 10-5, mo
10-6, tu closed, we 10-6, th 10-8, fr 10-6, st 10-6.

Both places have newsletters and teach classes and hold seminars.

Someone mentioned something about a sale at BGofNE in December.
Anyone know when it starts?

I want to take a course in the spring and need to decide which
place.  A couple people have already posted some stuff on these
places.  Anyone have any more opinions or recommendations?

Anyone know anything about Bonsai Society of New England?  I read that
BGofNE has free seminars for members.

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Oaks
From: robinsom@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 4 Nov 92 19:24:39 -0800
Distribution: na
Organization: Sonoma State University

I have sprouted acorns in the refer and then left them too long and 
then put them in dirt anyway and was going to throw them out today 
when I noticed that one of them had thrown up a trunk...  Often times 
when plants are stressed and very young (I don't know about other 
ages...) they will throw up multiple trunks.  I have an avocado with 
three trunks from the same seed and a couple others with two -- 
probably because I let them get dry.  

Every live oak I am aware of has leaves that look more like holly 
than not.

There is a gentleman in my area that I understand has started his 
grove of oaks from acorns...


In article <Bwqs79.LDA@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, chai@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Tippi Chai) writes:
> My oak story:
> 
> I picked up some Live oak acorns in Florida where I was there 2 years ago.
> 3 of them sprouted, and the largest of them was about 14 inches tall
> when they all dried up this summer coz I forgot to water them :-(  Not 
> willing to give up, I cut them low & kept watering them, hoping that something 
> will happen.  Finally, last week my mom was visiting and she made me 
> throw out the pot.  Just when I was removing the soil, I discovered that 
> one of them has indeed sprung back: three shoots are emerging from the base!  
> That's one plant I'll remember to water !-)  
> 
> The leaves looked more like holly then oak, and the longest was about 1.5" 
> but the ones I had had not branched yet.  To make a good bonsai you
> probably have to air-layer them coz they have this carrot-like 
> swollen tap root thing.
> -- 
> **********"We all breathe the same air" KB
> Tippi Chai	<chai@utcs.utoronto.ca || chai@utorgpu.bitnet>
> Disclaimer: all opinions, pinions and onions expressed herein are solely mine.
From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Andy's Acck!  Bonsai Mishap
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:59:42 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

Mike "bartlone@gemed.ge.com" writes:
>
>Hope everyone recovers...

  I think everyone's OK.

>ps: Where is every one the past two days? Voting and celebrating,
>or voting and crying..or?

  Working like a slave!

  -- Andy
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@gemed (Michel Bartolone)
Subject: Sources
Followup-To: alt.bonsai
Reply-To: "bartlone@gemed.ge.com"
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:47:48 GMT


So...any one out there have some Fukien tea cuttings they might be willing
to part with? Seriously, I'd love to get some, but I think shipping would 
be a problem. Especially this time of year! I'll be contacting our local
group this week, and possibly visiting the only 'local' bonsai shop
(the only one listed in the phonebook anyway) next weekend...also, does
any one out there have some idea's of where to get bamboo? I don't
think I've ever seen it for sale anywhere locally...

                                                   Mike

--
bartlone@last.med.ge.com | 'Think tree...
In your mind, make picture..now open eyes..
make like picture...' paraphrased from
                    'The Karate Kid'

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: Good Books
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:12:41 GMT

In article <1dc5bmINN9g@male.EBay.Sun.COM> tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Book Recommendations:
>
>	Bonsai: The Complete Guide to Art and Technique by Paul Lesienwicz
>	Indoor Bonsai  (by the same author)
>
>	The Creative Art of Bonsai by Isabelle and Remey Samson
>
>	Bonsai Techniques I  (the author's name is simailr to Naja or Naga)
                                                              ^^^^    ^^^^
John Yoshio Naka
He is THE source for Bonsai info :-)

>	(this is a terrific step by step book on most of the things I needed
>	 to learn the first two years - wiring, watering, different planting
>	 techniques, propagation techniques... simple steps, clearly written
>	 and with small pictures to highlight the steps)
>	
>	Bonsai Techniques II  (more advanced...) I just bought it, and after
>	some reading, I might be a year to two premature for alot of this info
>
>Tk
>
>	

Regards,
Thor
edmtl@fiol.uib.no
From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Bonsai Burglars?
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:04:40 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM writes:

>All that care didn't prevent the neighbors dog (not a pretty story) nor the
>thieves (*sigh*)...  
>
>Tk

 
 You had someone steal some of your trees!  What a drag!  What happened?

 -- Andy
From: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: (How to keep from having a) Dead Junipers (in winter)
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:50:11 GMT
	<1992Oct27.143642.28862@e2big.mko.dec.com> <7573@transfer.stratus.com>
	<1992Oct28.150937.29079@e2big.mko.dec.com>
Reply-To: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com
Distribution: ne
Organization: Clearpoint Research, Hopkinton, MA

Wait a minute, my only experience with Bonsia West was from about 5
years ago in a little store in Brookline.  I live in Hopkinton and
would like to know where the places in the area are.  Can you give me
a number for them?

Also, if you are interested, there is New England Bonsia in
Blackstone (I think).  I haven't been there since they moved from
Needham, but I liked them when they were at their old location.

P.S. Sorry to post this.  I tried to e-mail you, but it bounced saying
"unknown host."
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From: szsiski@scooby-doo.ucdavis.edu (Tracer)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,misc.test,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Gloat
Summary: Slick Willie
Keywords: Slick Willie
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:49:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.president.clinton
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

>I agree with you.  As a foreigner myself, I am scared of the republican. 

There is no reason to be scared of them..  As a republican myself, I
disagree with some of the things they've done.  

>convention.  I must admit that I felt threatened after watching their
>cultural and religious war declaration.

I think that the government needs to stay out of religion anyway.  I hope
that the Democrats can do something about all these topics and especially
censorship.  Remember Tipper Gore was the founder of the PMRC and at one
time wanted to ban Rock and Heavy Metal music...


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Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: wdechent@usenet.umr.edu (William L. Dechent)
Subject: A Layman's Questions (was A "New" Reich)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:35:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri -- Rolla
Keywords: job loss, recession

	How do the loss of American factory jobs and the recession relate
to each other?  Did one come first and perhaps cause the other?

	I've got a lot more I'd like to ask but in the interests of
minimizing bandwidth... 
--
wdechent@clciris.chem.umr.edu    "I know I'm a flamboyant person.  But I don't
lie, I would never steal a penny from you.  I'm a good person."  -Cher
(taken from Larry King Live on CNN, 10-26-92)   

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From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: A "New" Reich
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:40:12 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov9.203314.28625@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>
> Assumedly, there would be Keynsian-style pump priming in the
> short-run.  Money can be freed on all sorts of construction projects
> that are planned and on the books but haven't gone from lack of funds.

     We gotta go dust off our Phillips Curves once again -- there's about
12 years worth of dust on mine.   :-)

> Whatever stimulus Clinton proposes should be tied with long-run loop
> hole-free deficit reduction legislation.  If not, we're in trouble,
> though I think Clinton's too smart (given that his economic advisors
> aren't total fools, and Perot's insurgency) not to do this.

     I agree that deficit reduction is important.  Remember that
Clinton has promised (for lack of a better word) to cut the federal
deficit in half in four years.  The thing that scares me the most
about Clinton is his choice of economic advisors (most notably,
Derek Shearer).  Hence, I would not attribute the expression
"too smart" to Clinton.
 
> Hmm.  A similar simple blanket statement about how people haven't
> spent because they don't have money can explain why the Fed's interest
> rate cuts haven't done anything: business see people aren't spending,
> so they're not responding.

     The Fed's easing really has not alleviated the "credit crunch"
significantly.  Banks have been less inclined to lend to the private
sector, and instead, they have invested the money in intermediate-term 
treasury notes.  Lending back to government is a nice, safe way to
ensure some profit.  So, in a way, this formula has helped ameliorate
the problems of the S&L's, but at the expense of economic growth for
the nation.  The conclusion -- we pay for the S&L problems one way or 
another.

     C. Perttunen
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