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From: emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Forest for the trees (Carjacking, was Re: Gun blast noise in a car?)
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:36 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <viking.724806071@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
#ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
#
##I've thought about posting this as well.  With all these folks talking
##about not having enough time to get the gun, or "what do you do when
##perp jumps in the passenger side and sits on your gun" I just kept 
##thinking:  If your door is locked, you will have several tens of 
##seconds to grab your gun while he is tugging at the door handle or
##trying to break the glass.
#
#	My mother's car automatically locks the doors at speeds over
#15 miles per hour.  I've always wondered just what it was trying to
#protect, since you're at greatest danger when the car is stopped, and
#at speeds above 15mph or so the doors get rather difficult to open.
#On a side note, the door locks do not keep the door from flying open
#in the event of an accident -- they merely disconnect the handles from
#the locking mechanism.  For safety, lock them in town and unlock them
#on the highway.  If you are in an accident, an EMT would rather try a
#door than bust your window and get glass on or in any wounds.

That's to keep the kids from opening the doors at speed and falling
out. Something you should consider if you have small children.

Now on the topic of carjacking, we should look at where the most
carjackings happen. That's in shopping center parking lots. The
perp walks up while your hands are full of packages and you are
fumbling with the keys and simply overpowers you and takes your car.
This is just a street robbery situation and should be treated that
way. On rare ocasions, the perp will open your car door at a traffic
light. Locked doors solve this problem. On still rarer ocasions,
the perp will stage a fake accident and get you when you get out
of the car. Again this is a street robbery situation. Having a
gun in the vehicle doesn't help much in any of these situations.
You need to have the gun on your person to defend against these
attacks.

Gary
From: andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock numbering.
Date: 1 Jan 93 23:57:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.

#[Glock 18] It is identicle to the Glock 17, except for a fire-select lever on
#the slide and some internal modifications to make parts _not_ compatable
#with the Glock 17 (and thereby prevent conversion of Glock 17s to 
#full auto.)

It's my understanding that all of the interesting mods/parts are in
the slide.

However, that doesn't mean that a glock 18 slide+parts can be used to
convert a glock 17.  Glock 18 slides don't fit on semi-auto only glock
frames even though they'd work if they did.  A brief review of the 34
NFA reveals why the frame/slide interface has to be different when
frame parts are identical in full-auto and semi-auto versions.

-andy
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From: towle@vssteg.enet.dec.com (Clark Towle Gunsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Auto Ordinance .45
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:02:16 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Dec28.161521.10018@walter.bellcore.com>, bellcore!torque.bae.bellcore.com!sjs@uunet.UU.NET (Stephen Szymanski) writes...
# 
#Does anyone know what the story is with the Auto Ordinance .45?
#It seems somewhat inexpensive for a .45 handgun.  

 Yeah they are low dollar but they can be rerworked to improve both accuracy 
and looks.

 The frame and slide are made by Essex Arms in Vermont and most of the parts 
used internally are Govt. surplus. taken out of the Gun Parts Corp. 
inventory. I have used Essex frames and slides to build up match grade 
pistols and have never had a complaint with their quality.

 As for the Auto Ordinance offerings, sometimes you get a good one and 
sometimes not. I guess it all depends on who put it together and what kind of 
mood they were in. :-) I've seen several that have had some junk internal 
parts and worn out surplus barrels and I've seen several that have all brand 
new parts/new barrels so it would be worth your while to carefully inspect it 
before you plunk down the cash.

 All in all its a good platform to start out with if low dollar output is a 
consideration because it will at least get you into the game and as funds 
permit, every part (except the frame) can be easily replaced or upgraded by 
the user or his favorite 'Smith.

 I've upgraded several for customers who participate in the action shooting 
sports and they shoot just as good as the high ticket items do.
From: hes@ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: re: Plastic Cased .38 Special Ammo
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:26 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University


  Someone wrote to me about needing some for his collection - but
I lost your letter.  Please write again.

--henry schaffer
From: tjohnson@xenon.stanford.edu (Ted C. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: lock & load?
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:38:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.


Does the "lock" in the phrase "lock & load" refer to:

   1)locking the action open
   2)locking the safety on
   3)something else (what?)

Thanks!

-Ted
From: emory!wa4mei!chrise@gatech.edu (Chris England)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mossberg 500 12 gauge
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:01:34 GMT
Organization: Amateur Radio Gateway WA4MEI, Chamblee, GA


I just traded my Persuader for a handgun.  I owned it for about 7 years.
Here is some advice:

                     o  Wear hearing protection.  (especially if your
                         barrel has a muzzle break.  very loud!!)

                     o  Don't fire 3" mag/very high brass shells out of
                        it.  The "pin" that retains the trigger housing
                        and components is locked in place by a small
                        snap spring.  That snap spring will disengage
                        and get lost.  This enables the "pin" to move
                        freely from one side of the receiver to the other.
                        The snap spring could not be replaced by my 
                        gunsmith, so they had to send the weapon back to 
                        Mossberg ~three to four months.  This happened
                        on two occasions; after the second time around,
                        I figured that the high brass shells were causing
                        far to much stress for that gun.

                     o  Clean as follows
                              Bore brush - solvent patch a few times -
                              dry patch until clean - light oil patch -
                              dry patch.     
                         
                              The action, and trigger components need only
                              be cleaned on occassion.  Use your judgement.
                              Personally, I like a clean weapon.  Military
                              instinct I guess.

                     o  Overall opinion, not bad.  I have owned shotguns
                        for around 14 years now, most of them better 
                        quality ( I've owned a Rem 1100 for around 9 now ).
                        But all in all sufficient to get the job done, and
                        pretty fun in the mean time.
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From: ai298@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Cergol)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: AK-47
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:06:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)


I want to buy and AK type rifle before the new administration
changes the gun laws and the prices quadruple. I am an auto-pistol
collector/shooter and I know liitle about semi-rifles. There seem to
be variants of the Ak-47 available and most are reasonably priced.
What is the recommended rifle and what should I look for?
There are Norinco MAK90, Maadi's, Hungarian SAM85, and SKS types.
The SKS looks different than the Ak-47 types and seems to be cheaper...
is it as good as the AK?
-- 
Jerry Cergol
ai298@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: RE: Saved by the gun
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:59:54 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <9301022338.AA14846@zippy.cs.UMD.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)  
writes:
# 
# ## In other news tonite, the local news reported a woman kidnapped and raped
# ## after the rapist took her to his house and chained her to the bed.
# ## He fell asleep after raping the woman.  She got loose from her chains,
# ## got his gun and killed him.  Police say there will be no charges filed.
# ##
# #
# #I guess stress and shock were in play, here, but again, on the surface, she
# #should not have shot and killed him if she apparently had the chance to  
leave.
# #Taking the gun, of course.
# 
# Since this happened locally, we probably received more detailed reports.
# The rapist told the woman that he had booby-trapped every exit to the
# house so it would blow up if she tried to escape.  He also forced her
# to drink beer and Southern Comfort.
# 
# When she managed to get loose, the rapist woke up.  Luckily, she got
# to the gun first.
# 
# The newspaper said her boyfriend taught her how to shoot.
# 
# Rob

I thank you all for the discussion.  As I said, I gave the benefit of the doubt  
to the victims, and was basing my opinions solely on the first account given.   
It is apparent from the added information presented by various posters that  
there was no doubt as to the continuing immediate danger that was present,  
which fully justified the actions.

Jim

--
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Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 
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From: megatek!hollen@uunet.UU.NET (Dion Hollenbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rem 700 box mag
Date: 27 Dec 92 12:33:56 GMT
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

#>>>> On 26 Dec 92 00:17:24 GMT, keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla) said:

Keith> It is possible to modify a Remington model 700 (.308Win) to accept
Keith> a box type magazine?  Is a kit available for such a conversion or
Keith> would this require a gunsmith?

Having never seen such a kit, I cannot say whether you would need a
gunsmith for such a kit.  Being an apprentice gunsmith and QUITE
familiar with 700BDL and 700ADL construction, I can say that it would
be easier on a BDL than an ADL to make one from scratch and could be
done by a competent gunsmith.  You also might be able to do it
yourself if you are a competent machinist.

I see the steps as follows:

1)	Remove drop door from floorplate.
2)	Obtain magazine which would fit inside resulting hole.
3)	Fabricate clips on bottom side of receiver to hold magazine
	up into "magazine well".

All of this would require careful fitting, but since the only critical
thing is that the ammo feed (you are not making chamber or bolt
modifications), I don't think there is any issue of safety here.  It
will either work, or it won't.

-- 
Dion Hollenbeck                        Email: hollen@megatek.com
Senior Software Engineer                      megatek!hollen@uunet.uu.net
Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California    ucsd!megatek.uucp!hollen
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Air Guns
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:52:16 GMT
Organization: Michigan Technological University

In article <BzxJD6.Eq1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
(Brent Irvine) writes:

# 	I am looking to buy an airgun to improve my
# 	marksmanship, I don't want to have to drive
# 	tons of miles to a range - I'd rather plink
# 	awy in the backyard.
# 
# 	Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions
# 	that won't break the bank and give a reasonable
# 	performance [I am not after match grade as this
# 	will be used outside].

Get a catalog from Beemans Air Rifle (?? I think that's the name of
the company); You should be able to find an ad for them in most
sporting magazines.  They have a pretty good selection, and are
apt to have any US made air rifles (it's been a few years since I
dealt with them, but I had no complaints :-).  I think they currently
market a fairly _hot_ item, pushing up around 1100 fps in the .177 size.
I do recommend a spring airgun, rather than a pump...  Low maintainence
and very consistant.

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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From: rhoten@master.ceat.okstate.edu (rhoten r p)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Dart Ballistics (Fairly long)
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:49:24 GMT


For those of you who like to have good technical data on every
projectile possible, I offer the following ballistic information
on an air pistol powered dart.  The dart analyzed was the
standard.177 caliber dart looking roughly like

     (-----
     (      ---
     ( (fluff)   )IIIII---]
     (      ---/
     (-----/

The darts weighed about 10.5 grains each.  No attempt was made
to sort by weight, condition of stabilizing "fluff" or color.
The pistol used was a Daisy 777, and all velocities were
measured by an Oehler 35P chronograph.  Velocities obtained:
Distance from Muzzle (ft)   Velocity (fps)
        5                        261
        10                       248
        20                       218
        30                       197
        40                       166
        50                       138
All distances were measured to the nearest inch.  Velocities
represent an average of 5 shots with the Oehler proof channel
confirmation of good readings, except for the velocity at
50 feet.  I could never get both the main channel and proof
channel to trigger at that distance, perhaps indicating a lower
bound on velocities measurable by this chronograph.  

The darts exhibited surprisingly good accuracy, with 3" to 4"
five shot groups the norm from a sand bag, iron sights, 50 feet.

Analysis of the data showed that for the velocity range
indicated, the velocity is very nearly a linear function
of distance.  A slope of -2.71 fps/ft and an intercept of
275 fps gives an Coef. of Determination (r squared) of 0.9981.

I next used the Sierra Ballistics program to estimate
the dart's ballistic coefficient.  Although Sierra warns against
this procedure (indicating one should measure the velocity at
different distances for the SAME PROJECTILE), I only have one
chronograph so this will have to do.

I found that the dart definitely needed a ballistic coefficient
that varied with velocity.  The best fit I have so far is 
BC = 0.004, v > 210 fps
BC = 0.003, 210 > v > 170
BC = 0.0026 170 > v.
These numbers gave calculated velocities that varied less
that 2 fps from measured values.  The ballistics program
found a mid-range height of 3.0 " with a 50 foot zero.

Some final thoughts/notes.
Someone with an air rifle and access to a chronograph might
want to get some data at higher velocities.
For those who have an air rifle or pistol and don't have
any of these darts, get some.  They are fun to shoot, and I
think make a good training device.  You can see them in flight,
and a trigger jerk is instantantly noticeable.  The stryofoam
stuff archers use for a target (the denser of the two types 
I have found) make a great target at 50 feet, with about
90% of the darts sticking yet still reasonably easy to remove.
Darts tend to either bounce off or stick in too hard in 
harder materials (plywood, for example) and get buried in softer
stuff.
r. p. rhoten
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Black-powder, Pyrodex  or ?
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:31:50 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

I made one mistake in buying my Ruger "Old Army" cap & ball revolver:
I got blue steel rather  than stainless. Now every time I take it out
it has to be cleaned scrupulously or severe rusting will be my reward.
I've been shooting only Pyrodex and RWS caps and, if rust is the price
of using Pyrodex, I'm about ready to do without. Now the manual that
came with the gun says "Black powder only" and Ruger amended this by
letter to include Pyrodex. I'm half-way tempted to use a few grains
of Unique, warning or not. I'm not sure what to do.

Does Pyrodex cause this rust or is it the caps? Are there ways to get
around the rusting? Is there a black-powder substitute that works like
smokeless powder? Advice & opinions appreciated.
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb                * Life only admits two states: 
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * growing and dying. So what,
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * if I've put on a little weight?

[MODERATOR: I don't think I'd recommend throwing in any Unique ... I
have no experiences along those lines, but it doesn't sound prudent to
me.  For what its worth.   Anyway, I just want to add a request that
those of you who answer Donald's post might also comment in general on
the interchangeability of black powder and pyrodex.  Santa Claus brought
a reproduction 1851 navy colt to the magnum household, and your humble
moderator will be playing with coal burners for the first time... ]
From: gray@hawkmoon.mn.org (Bill Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: New pro-gun BBS opening in Minnesota
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:25 GMT
Organization: Demi-Public System (One of the Eternal Champions); Eagan, MN, 55123-2507, USA


The Gun Owner's Action League (of Minnesota) is happy to announce
the opening of a new 7-day, 24 hour BBS devoted to the promotion and
preservation of firearms rights.

The number is (612) 493-3558.  The modem is a 14,400 bps Cardinal.  Use
8 data bits, no parity, 1 stop bit.

Your first access requires that you fill out a questionnaire.  After you
complete the questionnaire, the sysop will review it and assign a full user
profile to you.  After your user profile is assigned, you have normal
upload and download privileges.

FWIW, the system is a Wildcat BBS running under Desqview.

The BBS, named the Minnesota MinuteMan, is in the process of joining the
Paul Revere network of pro-gun BBSs.  We invite your participation and
contributions.

Bill Gray,
Membership Director, GOAL
-- 
gray@hawkmoon.mn.org
This site gets a fair news feed, but e-mail is more reliable. . . :-(
"Veni, vidi, vomiti!"  -- the ghost of Tom Jefferson on reading the Brady Bill
From: towle@vssteg.enet.dec.com (Clark Towle Gunsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Colt Sporter - M16 compatibility
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:59:45 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <921218172606_76334.1331_EHJ40-1@CompuServe.COM>, 76334.1331@CompuServe.COM (Brian  T. Millin) writes...
#Considering purchase of a Comp HBAR or Match HBAR style rifle- question is
#how compatible the Colt lowers are with upper units from SGW or other
#suppliers like Quality Parts. Anybody try another upper on their
#Sporter lower? What did you use to change from the screw to push pins?

  You need the offset front pin. The alternative is to ream the front hole on 
the aftermarket upper to match the Colt lower. The rear pin lug may need 
fitting also for installation onto the Colt lower.
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Taurus: soft steels & gunsmithing problems?
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:00:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) says:

#bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes...
##PS, it is a very reputable place, and I know he wouldn't be lying to get
##an extra ~$2.50 in sales commission.  They are always honest about things.
##Today I laughed when a customer asked, while handling the more expensive
##Berretta, what advantages it has over a Glock.  The answer was something
##along the lines of "Nothing, but it has a cool name.", and that 
##it was less durable, less reliable, etc, and to only get it if you wanted 
##the prettier of the two.
#
#Don't some manufacturer offer incentives to dealers who sell their product.

Not for used guns.   Mfgs don't see a dime of the secondary market.
From: pusv1305@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Can Silicon Sprays damage gun parts?
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:00:07 GMT
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Can silicon lubrecants or their propelents harm the seals or other non-metal
parts? I've used spray silicon to lube and to clean out particles in hard to
reach areas of my guns. I also find that these lube sprays don't attract dirt
and dust as oils do.
From: nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: AK variations
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:44:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


I am considering purchase of an AK-variety semi-auto soon.  There are
more variants out there than I can count, so I don't know what is the 
best.  I know of:

1) Norinco AK
2) AK sporter  (what exactly does this mean?  who makes?)
3) AK Hunter
4) Maadi (sp?) AK-47

others?

Which is best?  I am partial to the AK Hunter, with the scope modification,
but who makes it?  Is the quality as good as other AKs?  Is Maadi the "best"
on the market like it is purported to be?  Anybody have any experiences with
any of the above?  

Recommendations?

Thanks!

Nathan

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