HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:56:57 CDT
From:         FRS1000 <FRS1@JSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: cross-sectional view

Some limitations on perspective views are listed at the end of the
section on perspective views which starts on page 229 of the version
11 manual.  It does not cover drawing while in a perspective view,
however.

Ron Saska
Jacksonville State University
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Organization: RMIT
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:06:40 UTC+1000
From:         Peter Clark <Clark@RMIT.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: conflict with graphics adapter Artist XJi
X-To:         blu@cellar.org, AUTOCAD@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

>Date:          Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:55:47 GMT
>From:          Dan Reed <blu@cellar.org>
>Subject:       Re: conflict with graphics adapter Artist XJi

>MICCHETT@VM.CSATA.IT writes:
>
>> I installed Artist XJi on Compaq Deskpro 386/20e and run acad11 with adi
>> driver Artist inserted in Flexicon Toolkit. After tree or four command in
>> editor mode the system halted and restart only with power off.
>> The system signals "Parity check 2 ??????".
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Saverio

...further to Dan R's reply...we had memory/interrupt conflicts with
graphics cards on some early models of the Deskpro 386/20...it's my
guess your problem is similar...back to the dealer for a fix..

Cheers,
Peter

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 Environmental Design and Construction  clark@fedcdos.edc.rmit.edu.au
 Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology  rarpjc@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: bennett@reg.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Subject: Re: Differences?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.141517.21163@iplmail.orl.mmc.com>, billr@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Bill Richmond) writes...
>	I am trying to discover the significant differences
>between v11, v11 for Windows, & v12 of Autocad...Any help
>you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I don't usually
>read this group so please respond via email...Thanks in advance...
> 
> 
>Bill Richmond
>Martin Marietta
>Orlando, Fl.
>billr@orl.mmc.com

There is a double page add in the July 92 Byte magazine listing 75 new
features in Release 12, and indicating there are 100 more they didn't have 
room to list.  

The add has a box saying "But either one or these alone makes it worth the
price:
	1. No regens
	2. Wysiwyg plot preview and other plot improvements.

Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca   | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)

Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: dyck@cs.sfu.ca (Michael Dyck)
Subject: symbol -> string
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:22:16 GMT

Is there an easy way to convert a symbol into the corresponding string?

For instance, say you wanted a printout of each command currently
defined via AutoLISP. This would do it:

  (foreach sym atomlist
    (if (wcmatch (symbol-to-string sym) "C:*") (print sym))
  )

but what is 'symbol-to-string'? The only solution I've found is to print
the symbol to a file, then read it back in, but what a kludge:

  (defun symbol-to-string (sym / filename fd str)
    (setq filename "/tmp/symbol-to-string")
  
    ; write it out
    (setq fd (open filename "w"))
    (prin1 sym fd)
    (close fd)
  
    ; read it back
    (setq fd (open filename "r"))
    (setq str (read-line fd))
    (close fd)
  
    (if (null str) "" str)
  )

-Michael Dyck, dyck@cs.sfu.ca
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: olasov@cs.columbia.edu (Ben Olasov)
Subject: Re: questions
Originator: olasov@shadow.cs.columbia.edu
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:22:01 GMT

In article <9207271717.AA21771@iris.universe> "Bob Simpson @ 1209" <esri!iris!bob@UUNET.UU.NET> writes:
>We would like to have a large number of people subscribe to
>the autocad list.  Can we get the name autocad@esri.com added
>to your list and then we can use an alias to distribute the
>list to many people within our company??  Please let me know if
>this can be done.

This group is bi-directionally gatewayed between the AUTOCAD list and
alt.cad.autocad.  Anyone who can send mail to a Bitnet address can
subscribe to the AutoCad list.  This includes subscribers to
CompuServe, MCI-Mail, etc.  In general, the way to subscribe to is to
send an electronic mail message to:

LISTSERV%OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

if you're on an Internet or Janet node, or simply to:

LISTSERV@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

if you're on Bitnet.  Include the message:

SUBSCRIBE AUTOCAD "Your Full Name"

in the message body.  Your name will then be added to the
redistribution list.  If you have Unix 'rn' you don't need to
subscribe- just read alt.cad.autocad.

For instructions on sending email to a Bitnet node from Compuserve or
MCI-Mail, contact a customer service rep.  If it gets to be an issue,
I have a text file someplace that explains how to do this.


>Bob Simpson			PH: 714-793-2853  ext 1209
>ESRI, Redlands, CA      	E-MAIL:  bsimpson@esri.com
>----------------------------------------------------------


-- 
Ben Olasov		olasov@cs.columbia.edu
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 16:58:44 EDT
From: Larry F Armbruster <U22C5@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Layer Question

Layers may be defined at any time you want, can or need to. You can draw an
entity and then decide to change it to a different layer - just use the
CHANGE PROPERTY (not CHANGE) command on the edit menu.
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:47:44 PDT
From:         "David G. Booth" <COM1BOOT@UCSBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Crosshair & UCS icon color

Someone has told me before how to change the color of my
cross-hairs and ucs icon, but I have forgotten how. Can
someone advise me? Thanks in advance. (rel. 11)..

David Booth
University of California, Santa Barbara
com1boot@ucsbvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: phshl@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (S.H. LEE (61) 49 21 5566)
Subject: cross-sectional view
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:44:35 GMT

Hi,
  I am trying to look at the cross sectional view of my drawing, and then
draw a plan on the cross sectional area. ( the building is not "uniform").
using acad11 without the AME option. So far I can only manage to view the cross
section with DVIEW and CLIP FRONT, but I am unable to edit in perspective
view.

 would someone please offer hints and tips?

LEe
From: billr@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Bill Richmond)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Differences?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:15:17 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta


	I am trying to discover the significant differences
between v11, v11 for Windows, & v12 of Autocad...Any help
you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I don't usually
read this group so please respond via email...Thanks in advance...


Bill Richmond
Martin Marietta
Orlando, Fl.
billr@orl.mmc.com
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Organization: RMIT
X-Mailer:     Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R2).
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:17:10 UTC+1000
From:         Peter Clark <Clark@RMIT.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: cross-sectional view
X-To:         phshl@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU, AUTOCAD@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

>Date:          Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:44:35 GMT
>Reply-to:      AUTOCAD Autocad Discussion List
 <AUTOCAD@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
>From:          "S.H. LEE 61 49 21 5566" <phshl@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU>
>Subject:       cross-sectional view
>To:            Multiple recipients of list AUTOCAD <AUTOCAD@OHSTVMA.BITNET>

>Hi,
>  I am trying to look at the cross sectional view of my drawing, and then
>draw a plan on the cross sectional area. ( the building is not "uniform").
>using acad11 without the AME option. So far I can only manage to view the cross
>section with DVIEW and CLIP FRONT, but I am unable to edit in perspective
>view.
>
> would someone please offer hints and tips?
>


...have you tried turning perspective mode off whilst in dview and
then manipulating clipping planes in a parallel projection or
sectional elevation...? with perspective off in dview you can edit as
you would normally do in 3d...

cheers,
Peter


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 Peter Clark   Principal Lecturer                   clark@rmit.edu.au
 Environmental Design and Construction  clark@fedcdos.edc.rmit.edu.au
 Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology  rarpjc@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
 (RMIT)          tel +61 3 660 2226          fax +61 3 663 2891
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Newsgroups: alt.cad,alt.cad.autocad
From: mepstein@csws15.ic.sunysb.edu (Not On Our Customer File)
Subject: PCX or anything To DXF or DWG
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:25:17 GMT



I have no ftp access but I read about pcx to dxf convertors
can someone please e-mail me such a convertor
It can be pcx,gif,jpg,pict,rle,bmp,anything
thanks a lot
mepstein@ic.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cad,lamont
From: miguel@ldgo.columbia.edu (miguel maccio)
Subject: Claris CAD
Keywords: CAD,MAC
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:53:46 GMT

Hi!
I'd like to know if anybody here at Lamont has or has used Claris CAD for the
MAC.
I'd be interested to ask a few questions about it.
Please call me at (914) 359 2900 x 234
or e-mail at miguel@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Thank you.
Miguel Maccio
 
Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: ftm@bass.ericsson.se (Tomas Melander)
Subject: PCB Program for PC
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:12:41 GMT


Hi!

Is there anyone out there who can recommend a (preferably shareware) PCB program
for PC:s. Features appreciated are footprints for IC:s and Gerber file generation.


Thanks,
                         Tomas.

Xref: sparky alt.discrimination:3768 alt.politics.correct:4913 soc.men:14010
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.men
Subject: Re: Pay Discrimination for Women?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:21:44 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <1992Jul31.150053.22887@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
>In article <viking.712558827@vincent1.iastate.edu>Dan Sorenson writes:
>> 
>Nothing is free,
>> you know.  Men dominate because they are a source of cheap labor, as most
>> don't require much by way of benefits until after they have retired.  In
>> a way it's just as sexist, but men are willing to put up with it.  If I ran
>> a business, would I be smart to hire those who will cost me the most even
>> if they provide no better return?  Mandatory child care and maternity leave
>> is like government medical care -- is is a certainty that those who cost the
>> least will subsidize those who cost the most, and everybody has to pay.
>> 
>> 	What I see here is, "Well, I'm a woman.  Therefore, you must give me
>> six months leave to care for a child, but I have to get my old job back and
>> at the same pay scale.  Meanwhile, my husband can work himself to death but
>> shouldn't get better health benefits because my day care takes care of that
>> part of the profit margin."  Feh!  If women want to compete, let them compete.
>> My lack of a home life hasn't resulted in better wages or shorter hours, why
>> should her pregnancy be any different?
>> 
>
>You have shown by the above that, in particular, the system does not work for
>women.  In fact that the system has no place for women.  That they are infact
>high cost low return burdens to the system.  If men were the ones
>getting pregnant, believe me, it would be incorporated into the system.  
>Yes and we would see six months of leave.
>Lets face some facts:  At least the men who work themselves half to death
>as you put it get paid for it.  The domestic labor force (and I mean women
>working at home) dont.  The system here displays its bias.  
>Let the system work for us, and not us for the system.

If men were *also* getting pregnant, neither gender would be a source
of "uninterrupted"/"cheap" labor (big generalization there!) and your
conclusion would probably be correct, and absolutely fair.  

If *only* men were getting pregnant, I have no great doubt that 
(some) feminist groups would move to oppose the "extra" benefits 
that would accrue to those who took paternity leave.

In international settings, are men compensated for the years and
experience lost to mandatory military service?  Surely they receive
some symbolic pay, but do working women in other countries end up 
sooner and better educated and employed?

As for the domestic labor force ("women working at home") 
not being paid, consider that half of all marriages end in divorce, 
and then take a look at which part of the labor force is favored
in support/alimony/custody arrangements.  

Don
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.men
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Pay Discrimination for Women?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:52:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.202309.15924@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
> S: Okey.  What is this "wage structure"?  Not definition-wise but does it 
>really exist.  We live in a society more characteristic of 
>a monopoly than Perfect competition by far (ever tried to get service for 
>Cable TV! Its impossible!).  

Because Cable TV *is* a monopoly.  Hardly the best way to demonstrate
your case.

>So any sort of wage structure that I see must
>be pretty subjective, right?  

Nope.

I had no idea what you were talking about in the rest of the paragraph;
it didn't parse.

>> A number of feminists claim
>> the SAT's are "sexist" because they demonstrate that women are less
>> educated than men are.  Banning the SAT's or their use won't change that
>> fact.
>
>S:  First, I am quite opposed to standardized testing.  They are not objective.

You have a different definition of objective than the rest of the world.

>>I'm statistically adjusting to show where reality lies. 
>
>S:  Reality through statistics?  Come on.  Lets just look around instead.

I'm sorry, objective evidence weighs more heavily than anecdotes.
-- 
                      ....................................
                      ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
                      the university of chicago law school 
                      official member of the cultural elit
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.men
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Tax Breaks for Decent White Folks
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:37:36 GMT

In article <FS_FUCHS.92Jul30163734@rcsw66.rcvie.at> fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs) writes:
>Probably, cause women are still quite underpaid (among other
>discriminating stuff) compared to men.

Maybe thirty years ago.  Certainly not today.
-- 
                      ....................................
                      ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
                      the university of chicago law school 
                      official member of the cultural elit
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Tax Breaks for Decent White Folks
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:49:22 GMT

dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>Here is the piece, written by Lisa Nee, a white woman who creates
>telivision shows, for the New York Times, reprinted without 
>permission:

A local talk show had this moron on.  She was incredibly PC and stupid
(is that redundant)?  He pointed out similar situations and asked why
she wasn't asking for similar differences there.   When he got to the
point of suggesting that perhaps this could also be applied along
racial lines (to point out the idiocy of it) she hung up on him.  She
didn't know what "proportional" meant and flamed him big time before
he explained to her what it meant.

Just another PC idiot looking for elevation to "prominent feminist"-hood.
-- 
Among the damned, you are the chosen one.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.men
From: fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs)
Subject: Re: The Reality of Discrimination
Organization: Alcatel-ELIN RC, Vienna, Austria
	<55140@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <FS_FUCHS.92Jul30163040@rcsw66.rcvie.at>
	<1992Jul30.163548.4959@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:55:29 GMT


In article <1992Jul30.163548.4959@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

> >> >So if you (being a black person) grow up, feel the discrimation all
> >> >the time, see and understand, what Whites did to Blacks the last
> >> >centuries, its even natural to oppose Whites.
> 
> Okay.  Ever so briefly, let's rationalize away all black opposition to
> whites.  Please explain the racism exhibited by blacks toward Koreans.

Probably since they - the Koreans - where just there (and different in
colour) and have been used as ventil for the agressions coming up
after the RK verdict. It was further much more safer to do attack
them, since if that things would have been done somewhere in the
"white area", I do not know what the (white) government would have
done - maybe bombing black LA. But for Koreans ... (I think they just
care for the white middle class - the voters)?

Nevertheless it had been a symptom not the cause. And the cause is the
really bad thing and the cause is ... (I don't want to repeat again). 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Tax Breaks for Decent White Folks
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:53:01 GMT

biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:
>>Boy am I pissed.

>Why? I read it as a clever parody, sarcasm incarnate. Perhaps the
>author didn't intend it as such, but the piece is quite funny.


I thought so too, till I saw who it was by.  She's dead serious.  She
has taken on the mission of demonstrating the feminist claim that logic
is a tool invented by males to oppress wome.
-- 
French was such a whopping success that those who spoke it saw no reason to
bathe for months afterward.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs)
Subject: Re: The Reality of Discrimination
Organization: Alcatel-ELIN RC, Vienna, Austria
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:42:57 GMT


In article <76076@ut-emx.uucp> zeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mark Gansle) writes:

> I find it vindicating to see in print what I've always felt, and often said.
> Namely, blacks are just as capable and just as guilty of racism as whites,
> and yet no one seems to care.

Blacks have always been slaved, used and suppressed by the Whites.
Whites had always the power, thereby the possibility for a real
change, but they didn't.

So if you (being a black person) grow up, feel the discrimation all
the time, see and understand, what Whites did to Blacks the last
centuries, its even natural to oppose Whites. 

Everyone is capable of everything depending on the circumstances of
his/her development; if the reasons for the understandable Black
resentments agains Whites still exist - and they do - fight them, not
the Blacks. 

-- Kurt
From: IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: They never hire women DJ's in Nthn. Maine
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:49:47 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Sad but true.
Xref: sparky alt.discrimination:3752 alt.politics.correct:4894 soc.men:13962
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.men
Subject: Re: Pay Discrimination for Women?
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:00:27 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA


 hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:

> [...]  Women have traditionally been part of the "private" sphere.  Their
>attempts to entering the "public" and traditionally male domain is foiled
>by constant reminders by the "dinosours" of their (women's) "supposed natural
>place in the system.  These reminders include sexual harrassment, lack of 
>child care, or maternity leave (which is particularly horendous since that
>literally screams out to women about their displacement in the workforce)
>That is what I have meant when I have said that the
>system is primarily white (in the US that is) and male.

	You were talkking about economic systems before this, and yet you
seem to see maternity leave and child care as issues.  The fact of the matter
is that women can go to companies that offer child care and maternity leave,
but they will have to accept a lower wage because of it.  Nothing is free,
you know.  Men dominate because they are a source of cheap labor, as most
don't require much by way of benefits until after they have retired.  In
a way it's just as sexist, but men are willing to put up with it.  If I ran
a business, would I be smart to hire those who will cost me the most even
if they provide no better return?  Mandatory child care and maternity leave
is like government medical care -- is is a certainty that those who cost the
least will subsidize those who cost the most, and everybody has to pay.

	What I see here is, "Well, I'm a woman.  Therefore, you must give me
six months leave to care for a child, but I have to get my old job back and
at the same pay scale.  Meanwhile, my husband can work himself to death but
shouldn't get better health benefits because my day care takes care of that
part of the profit margin."  Feh!  If women want to compete, let them compete.
My lack of a home life hasn't resulted in better wages or shorter hours, why
should her pregnancy be any different?

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
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