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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:58:45 BST
From:         d lamptey msc <lamptey@ACSE.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: New Amiga Goodies ???

Well, Kelly Sumner, CBM (UK)'s new MD, did not play down too hard the suggestion
that something big is coming out soon.
Anyone read AMIGA SHOPPER (September)?
I would like to type up a precis of what was said, but my thesis is due!!

Derryck.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:30:16 -0500
From:         flasar@WUGCRC.WUSTL.EDU
Subject:      RE: Commodore's Reply
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Mr. McGhee:
   Thank you for posting Commodore's reply to the Robinson article recently.
One of the users of our Amiga club would like to send a message in reply, via
email to commodore.  The note from CBM did not have their email address in-
cluded.
   How did you get their reply?  Was it published somewhere, or was it sent
via email? Can you provide an address?

   Thank you for your help,
        Dan Flasar
        Washington U School of Medicine
        St. Louis, MO
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:50:30 +0200
From:         DEBATZ@FRMEU51.BITNET
Subject:      Re: kermit?
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DELANEYD@SNYSYRV1 write :

>Also, kermit is terribly slow.  It is possible to get the programs to send
>z-modem or x-modem from a vax and other such university type systems.  Both
>will dramatically increase your available speeds.

I use kermit every day on a 19200b/s port on a terminal server in my campus
and the transfert is usually 1200 char/s not so bad.
(at 9600b/s I obtain 800 char/s)

x-modem is a bad/old protocol from CP/M era.
z-modem is usually not usable on ethernet link because frequent timeouts on
too loaded nets (and the nets on campus are ever too loaded)

B. de Batz (FRANCE)
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:20:10 CDT
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              <GEODESIC@UBVM.BITNET>
From:         mcnamara@VIXVAX.MGI.COM
Subject:      Minimal Systems?

	I have been wondering lately what the minimal system is.  It seems
clear that it is an entity distinct from its environment, implying a
boundary and some energy (information) exchange across the boundary.
Fuller (in _Synergetics_, vol 1, sect 400) states quite clearly
that a system has to have four components (tetrahedral) or more.
These components would appear to be the "nodes" of the tetrahedron,
and the interconnections between the nodes (six total) could represent
some internal structure.  For an example, the physical components of a
control system could be represented by the nodes (comparator, reference,
input function, and output function), and the information/energy flow
between these components the tetrahedral interconnections.  In this
representation the connection (s) to the external world (system boundary)
is not obvious (it is implicit).
	Anyone out there have comments?  Can you think of a better
mapping to the tetrahedron than a control system?  How can the connection
to the external world be made more explicit?

						Curt

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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:37:26 -0700
From:         Marilyn Schiffman <mgschiffman@UCDAVIS.BITNET>
Subject:      site license questions

To Judith Axler Turner (and other interested people)

I will be happy to post the results of my survey on the methods
used by other universities to handle  software site licenses.
The questions I posted on CWIS are part of a larger survey I'm
conducting prior to chairing a task force on the subject for my
campus (University of California, Davis).  I'll post the preliminary
results around the end of August, prior to the start of the task
force.  The final results should be available about the end of
December, since the report of the task force is due at the end of
November.  I can post a summary of the conclusions we reached
about that time.

(Sorry for the late response--I've been away.)

Marilyn Schiffman              e-mail address: mgschiffman@ucdavis
Campus Events & Information    phone:  752-4532
451 Memorial Union
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:12:00 GMT
From:         ANNBAMIN@AUC.EG
Subject:      Re: site licenses
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I would appreciate it if you would send along any information you receive
regarding site licenses.  This is a major concern for us right now, and I
have had a great deal of difficulty getting any information on the subject.

Thanks,

Ann Boudinot-Amin
Planning and Control Coordinator
Computing
The American University in Cairo
113 Kasr El Aini Street
Cairo, Egypt
e-mail: ANNBAMIN@AUC.EG

phone: (202) 842-318
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:34:26 -0400
From:         popwin@UU.PSI.COM
Subject:      asis Metro NY Chapter 1992 Fall Semina
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The following message has been cross-posted to several lists.
Sorry for duplication.
_______________________________________________________________

          ASIS METRO NY CHAPTER 1992 FALL SEMINAR

               INFORMATION WITHOUT TOOLS ??

     ... encompasses the entire spectrum of communication media.
It focuses on the challenge of developing innovative engines to
manipulate, retrieve, and manage the large digitized information
stores that are being created through new and easy media
transformation techniques.

Speakers:

James Anderson
Vice President of Sales, Market Statistics, Inc.
"Ease of Data Base Management in the Demographic World"

Dr. Rudolph M. Bell
Codirector, The Medieval & Early Modern Data Bank
Rutgers University
"The Banking of History"

Dr. Dennis Egan
Director, Information Science Research, Bellcore
"Creating and Using the CORE Electronic Library"

Colin McQuillan
Manager, GE Investments Research Library
"Optical Information Systems: Image Or Reality?"

Terry Russo
Research Associate
Paintings Conservation Dept., Metropolitan Museum of Art
"Electronic Imaging in Paintings Conservation at the Metropolitan
Museum"

Dr. Jocelyn Penny Small
Manager, Lexicon Iconographicum Mythologiae Classicae
Rutgers University
"The US Database of Classical Iconography: Issues of Simplicity
and Complexity in Design"

Dr. Jane Stone
Collections Infromation Systems Manager

Metropolitan Museum of Art
"Essential Elements of Text-based Museum Collections Information
Systems"

     DATE:          SEPT 11, 1992 (FRIDAY)

     TIME:          10:00 A.M. - 4:00 P.M.

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                    (Lunch is included)

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Please make checks payable to - asis Metro NY - and forward with
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From: Craig_Haynes%UCSDLIBRARY.UCSD.EDU@SDSC.BITNET
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Subject: Access Services for remote users
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:05:33 GMT
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          Does your library provide remote access to your online
          system (databases) or CD-Rom workstation(s) ?  If so, what
          'follow-up' public services do you provide ?

          Questions:

          1. Do you provide online check-outs ?  How does it operate ?

          2. Do you allow online holds and/or renewals of circulating
          library materials ?  How does that operate ?

          3. Is it possible for the remote user to not only request
          journal articles and books online, but have them delivered
          to a specified location on or off-campus ? Explain.

          4. Is online Reference assistance available ?

          5. How do remote users receive help and instruction ?

          Please detail any other routine or unique public services
          your library offers to remote users and send you respones
          to:
          [Deadline September 30, 1992]

          Craig Haynes
          UCSD Biomedical Library 0175-b
          9500 Gilman Dr.
          La Jolla, CA.  92093
          chaynes@ucsd.edu
          fax: 619-534-1205

          Thank you for your cooperation and participation.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:10:25 CDT
From:         donald goldhamer <dhgo@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RFD: comp.infosystems.cwis

I'd support moving the gateway from "bit.listserv.cwis-l" to
"comp.infosystems.cwis"

 Donald H. Goldhamer
   Project Manager				  d-goldhamer@UChicago.EDU
   Department of Academic & Public Computing      1155 E 60th, Chicago IL 60637
   University of Chicago Computing Organizations  (312)702-7166; fax: 702-9885
From: HALLMAN@UNC.BITNET (Judy Hallman)
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Subject: Questions about CWIS list
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:58:00 GMT
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I'm finally updating the list of services.  There are some services
on our list for which we don't have all the info (like contact
person and hardware/software). Can you provide any of the missing
information?  Should I take these entries off the list if I don't
get the information?  I don't feel comfortable having entries on
this list if we don't have a contact person.  What do you think?
They are:
=============================================================
Switzerland
=============================================================
Rechenzentrum Universitaet Zuerich
rzucms.unizh.ch (130.60.64.2)
Command: info
Emulate a tn3270

=============================================================
United Kingdom
=============================================================
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Imperial College
uk.ac.ic.cc.news
Emulate a vt100

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Newcastle University
uk.ac.ncl.info
Emulate a vt100

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University of Bristol
uk.ac.bristol.info
Emulate a VT100

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University of Cambridge
uk.ac.cam.info
Emulate a VT100

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University of Hull
uk.ac.hull.geac
Emulate a VT100

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University of Oxford
uk.ac.ox.info
Emulate a VT100

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University of York
uk.ac.york.info
Emulate a VT100

=============================================================
  Judy Hallman, UNC-Chapel Hill
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:32:57 EDT
From:         Brad Reese <REESE@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CWIS Software Search

Is anyone aware of CWIS software with the following features?

*Has a VERY intuitive, friendly interface;

*Information can be entered and maintained directly by the
information provider (no computer center guru intermediary);

*Regular, glassed-in bulletin board items (campus bulletin,
schedules, policies, etc.);

*Q & A (ask the expert);

*Moderated Bulletin Boards;

*Un-moderated Bulletin Boards;

*Ability to access other resources on the Internet directly
(e.g., pick a menu item that gives a list of popular Internet
Resources and connects to the one you pick, another menu that
prompts you for a telnet address, etc.)

*Electronic mail;

*Runs on a Unix platform (VM/CMS second choice).

Thanks.


Brad Reese
The George Washington University
REESE@GWUVM.GWU.EDU  REESE@GWUVM.BITNET
(202) 994-0108
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:50:56 EDT
From:         Roy Miller <CCRMMUS@MCGILLM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re:Cwis's with access to local libraries

> As I've looked at the many CWIS menus that have been posted here recenly
> (thanks to you all!) I've noticed that most offer information about th
> libraries, and often provide the automatic telnet links to regional or
> external libraries, but often do not provide actual links to their own
> libraries.  Can someone post some comments about why this is?  If I'm n

McGill University's CWIS CAN access the campus library system.
The library system runs under NOTIS under CICS on a MVS system on
an ES/9000.  The CWIS uses the MUSIC/SP software running under VM
on a separate processor.  The connection to the library system is
done via Telnet (TCP/IP).  This type of connection could be made
to most other library systems anywhere in the world.  In fact, we
showed this at the INFORMA conference for Librarians in May/92
that focused on CWIS's.

Now the really interesting stuff!

I came away from the INFORMA conference with ideas that could
explain your observations.  The connection to the campus library
system does get a site into potential turf wars.  This is because
most CWIS's are being run by computing centers.  Now if access to
the library system is a submenu to the CWIS it may look like the
library is a subcomponent of the CWIS. Librarians would love to
have their systems run the CWIS somehow.  But the standard
library software packages cannot easily handle the CWIS
functions.  Library software packages are typically considerably
more complex than CWIS systems but because they do not support
CWIS functions, they have to live with being accessible either
independently or through a separate CWIS.

In the future, I think is in inevitable that CWIS's, Library
systems, campus stationary and book stores, Internet Newsreaders,
etc will all be appear to be accessed through the same system.
There is no technical reason why it cannot be done today.  There
are, however significant people problems that have to be overcome
before this can be realized.  What each campus needs is someone
like a VP to sell the idea that all departments have to work
together to provide access to the campus resources and that no
department "owns" the data, they only administer the data.  That
is not a simple task.

Regards,

Roy Miller
Manager
McGill University
Email: CCRMMUS@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA or CCRMMUS@MCGILLM
Tel: (514) 398-4480
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:49:00 PST
From:         CEC@CWU.BITNET
Subject:      Catalog Copies and Keyword Use

Our university is in the process of putting their university catalog on-line
using DEC's VTX software.  The original intent when we started the project
was to have only the current version of the catalog, that would be updated on
a quarterly basis, online.  Now, there has been interest expressed to keep
the online catalog the same as the print catalog and to have multiple versions
of the catalog accessible, e.g., 91-93, 93-95.

Are any of you currently doing this?  If so, have you encountered any problems
that we should be aware of before we tackle this problem?

In regards to keywords, we are starting to identify them.  How extensive a
listing have you developed?  Did you use the Index as the basis for starting?
Who did you have identify the words?  Also, is anybody using DECs new VTX Text
Retrieval System which appears to not be limited to page assigned keyword
searching.  Any experiences in keywords would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for sharing the information.

Cec Calhoun
Assistant Director, User Services
Central Washington University
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:44:11 -0600
From:         Henry Newsom <00hwnewsom@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Second Request to Be Added to CWIS-L

Gayle,

Send your request to the BITNET listserver, LISTSERV@WUVMD, not to CWIS-L.

In other words, address your mail to LISTSERV@WUVMD (and however you
indicate BITNET.)  Your message should say:

Subscribe CWIS-L Gayle Belford

and you should get confirmation back in a matter of hours, perhaps sooner.

Henry

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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:57:21 +0200
From:         Roy 'Baby' Pearce
              <pearcera@RS6000-1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Multiple Items/Navigation
Comments: To: cwis-l@wuvmd.wustl.edu

I would like to add that the Birmingham CIS, in addition to allowing
documents to be located in more than 1 Menu, also allows (Further) Menus
to be located in more than 1 Menu.

To assist callers in re-tracing their footsteps thru the data tree, our
system allows them, from any Menu excpet the Main Menu) to return to either
the Parent Menu or the Previous Menu. (The latter, in general, is not
the same thing as the former.)

If you want to retrace your steps, it is recommended that you always use
the command to select the Previous Menu. In fact, this is the default
command (which you get by simply hitting RETURN) when you are sitting on a
Menu (other than the Main Menu).

This is also useful where a caller has `jumped over' a number of Menus en
route to some Menu deep down in the data tree. Using Previous Menu jumps back
without (again) displaying Menus en route.

Having moved onto the topic of tree navigation, CWIS-L readers may be
interested to know that on our system you can `tag' a menu and `jump' to
it from anywhere within the data tree. Rather like sticking your thumb in a
book to mark your place! Currently only one thumb can be used!


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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:23:00 EDT
From:         JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: CWIS's with access to local libraries

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     12-Aug-1992 09:18am EST
                                        From:     Ernest Jones
                                                  JONESEL
                                        Dept:     CAMS
                                        Tel No:   704 262 6276

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Subject: RE: CWIS's with access to local libraries

At this time our library has very limited capacity to accept direct
access.  They have only two lines on their current computer available.
 With this in mind, we have not opened up access from our CWIS.  Our
CWIS software will require some special programming to permit this
access.  Hopefully, within the next year the library, which serves
three campuses within the University of North Carolina system, will
upgrade to a more powerful system with greatly expanded capability.

Ernest L. Jones, Director                 JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Computer and Management Services          JONESEL@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
Appalachian State University              Phone: 704 262-6276
Boone, NC  28608
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From:         "Philip M. Howard" <PHoward@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA>
Subject:      Re: Multiple Items/Navigation

>From: Roy 'Baby' Pearce <pearcera@RS6000-1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK>
>Subject: Multiple Items/Navigation
>Sender: Campus-Wide Information Systems <CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET>
>To: Multiple recipients of list CWIS-L <CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET>
>Reply-to: Campus-Wide Information Systems <CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET>
>Message-id: <01GNIVK9JOBK8WXGQQ@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA>
>X-Envelope-to: PHoward
>Comments: To: cwis-l@wuvmd.wustl.edu
>
>Having moved onto the topic of tree navigation, CWIS-L readers may be
>interested to know that on our system you can `tag' a menu and `jump' to
>it from anywhere within the data tree. Rather like sticking your thumb in a
>book to mark your place! Currently only one thumb can be used!
>

I *like* this feature... most Gopher clients have it and it should be in
all CWIS systems. Gopher calls them "bookmarks" and accepts several. Feel
free to add them... your users, who are all "thumbs" to start with :-),
will appreciate it.

"Burrow on",
 Philip

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