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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Wells/Gaston
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:26:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug21.222645.27049
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug21.214605.22664@news2.cis.umn.edu> kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu (Dave Nobody Kirsch) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.195717.21938@u.washington.edu> sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven 'Submarine' Smith) writes:

My words deleted. The attribution line is retained to show off my newly-minted
Kirsch-o-matic nickname.  I think I've yet to be Huckabized, but at least
this is a start. Thanks, Dave.

Actually, I did write this:

>>On the other hand, if the Jays win the East, I
>>can still look forward to watching Tony LaRussa manage circles around Gaston
>>in the ALCS. And then Gaston will get fired, won't he?
>
>  Please, oh please, let it be. But Steve, have you looked at Mr. Oates lineup
>lineup construction model lately? 

Yes, Oates does not appear to be much of a match for LaRussa, either. I guess
I ought to throw a bone to our Twins woofers and say that TK would also
give his team an edge against the teams most likely to represent the East.

I deleted a bunch of lines of Dave's article wherein he blasts Cito's 
lineup selection and handling of his pitching staff. My original post bypassed
all that stuff and went right after Cito's character. Did I go to far?
Like I said, as a fan I'm pretty indifferent about the Jays, so I haven't
catalogged the incidents, but haven't there been other times when Cito
was accused of putting his own best interests ahead of his team's?  Saving
face, and all that?  And wasn't he a really, really bad sport the last time
he got spanked by the A's in the ALCS?

>
>>And I'm not saying this just because Wells' performance totally trashed my
>>Rotisserie team's ERA.
>
>  As you can see I've inserted 'Submarine' in Steve's name above; I think
>Steve should use that nickname for Wells from now on since he just sunk your 
>team's ERA. 

Thanks again, Dave, but at this point I think the better appellation might
be "20,000 Leagues."  You see, I'm trying to recover from a stretch a couple
of weeks back where my starters gave up more earned runs than innings pitched
in about 7 out of 8 games.  I dropped from 3rd to 6th in ERA in a big hurry.
I've got a powerhouse offense that might win the Triple Crown, but my
mediocre pitching is bogging me down in third place overall.
Things were going quite well this week, with Fernandez and Dopson pitching 
well on Wednesday and Wegman's outing last night. Wells might not have sunk 
me, but he has definitely aborted my resurfacing maneuver. 
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * 
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 University of Washington HR-20   *    			-- Bill Plummer
 Seattle, WA 98195                * 		
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From: dan_c@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dan Campbell)
Subject: Question about autographed baseballs...
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:58:17 GMT

	Alright, so this question isn't exactly about baseball, per se, but it
IS about baseballs....

	I have a very old autographed baseball which is of tremendous value
to me, both sentimentally and financially.  Anyway, due to its age, the ink 
from the signature has faded a bit.  My questions is this:  Does anyone know
of any process by which a baseball may be "sealed" or laminated, or anything, 
such that the ink from a signature will no longer fade?  Any information on 
this would be greatly appreciated.  

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From: ksmith@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ken Smith)
Subject: Re: Todd Zeile
Keywords: Please explain
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:45:38 GMT

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>They really don't have a clue, at least for one game in the Pirate
>series, Joe had Jose 3rd Andres 4th and Lankford 5th in the order!
>I guess he figured if he sandwiched Andres between his 2 best hitters,
>the Pirates would quit pitching around him (-:.

>It really is frustrating to see, he's messed with Zeile, messed
>with Osborne, waited far too long to give Gilkey the LF job,messed
>with Lankford(making him a leadoff hitter, and then finally
>moving back to 3rd when he was actually doing pretty well at leadoff)
>and basically screwed with the ballclub all year.

I think the real problem is that the Cards lack a solid consistent power/RBI
hitter.  The Cards lead the league in fielding, are second in hitting,
and have a promising young pitching staff.  But nobody can get from 3rd to
home.  All the switching around is Torre's effort to find *someone* who can
get RBIs.  Lankford seems to do the best.  Trading for Gallaraga wasn't that
dumb when you realize the Cards would just have the same problem with a better
pitching staff if they hadn't traded.  It was a gamble that didn't pay off,
but at least the problem was recognized.  Ziele isn't the power hitter they
want.  But once he gets in a lineup with *someone* who will hit 30 hrs and get
100 RBIs in front of him, I think he'll hit much better.  Its good Brian
Jordan is in Louisville right now, or everyone would be pressuring him to be
the big guy, and he's not ready yet.  Without a Jack Clark sort of hitter,
the Cards will remain an also-ran.
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Kirby Puckett and Shane Mack
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:42:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.131249.29223@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wizer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (David Wizer) writes:
> 
>Yes, Mack matches Puckett in most areas.
>This is not to say that Mack is a better player.  Puckett has
>been superlative for five times longer.

Which is why Mack *is* a better player.  Puckett is 31, Mack is 28.
If I had to choose one for my team at this point, it would be Mack.
That extra three years makes a big difference.

>Mack is moving toward the status of Kirby Puckett.

I don't think Mack will ever reach this high.  Puckett's best years
were from 1986 to 1988, age 25 to 27.  Mack has yet to match even the
worst of those seasons, and is already 28.  Mack in his prime is
better than Puckett on the downside of his career.  But Puckett used
to be a better player than either.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Catch Indian Fever (WAS: Re: MLB Standings...)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:00:00 GMT

In article <13AUG199209244721@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) writes:
>
>Although...to finish ahead of the Red Sox this year would be nice.  To see
>a pair of very vocal Red Sox fans/Indians flamers in this newsgroup finally
>silenced - nawww, we won't see that.  But we may finish ahead of them anyway.

Am I that bad?  I'd actually like to see them improve.  I just think
that the management is idiotic.  Though Whiten isn't *bad*, I don't
think he is worth trading Candiotti for.  Same with Scudder and
Swindell.  (Hill, Boucher, Armstrong, and Turek have IMHO little or no
value.  Not that the Red Sox wouldn't be improved by the addition of
any of the four!)

If you can remember, I was one of Sorrento's biggest supporters.  And
I said something about Belle having a chance to hit more HR than walks
(unfortunately, he isn't hitting quite enough HR for that..  But a
.472 SLG isn't *that* shabby!)  I admit to wrongfully doubting Baerga.
But I guess I'll just take a little more convincing on the others.
Think they can do it?

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: Kevin Gross No-Hits Giants---and Wins!
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:39:36 GMT


In article <36977@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
> In article <18AUG199211273936@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu  
(Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
> >Koufax and Gross are the *only two* pitchers who have delighted a Dodger  
Stadium
> >crowd by pitching no-hit shut-out victories over the hated jints there.   
(Any 
> >other similarity between Koufax and Gross is hard to find.  :-)  )
> 
> Oh, I disagree.  Both had a number of bad seasons early in their
> careers.  

And Mr. K pitched many pitching lines with lots of K's, while Mr. Gross...
sorry, just couldn't resist

jhr
From: jwr@cerebus.Kodak.COM (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Stats request
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:07:05 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company

Would some kind soul please send me the most up-to-date stats of Howard Johnson
and Gary Sheffield?  I am not a regular subscriber of the newsgroup.
My address is jwr@titan.kodak.com.

Thanks in advance.


Jim Reid
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Athletics 9, Angels 5
Keywords: baseball, men's professional, broadcast
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:23:20 GMT

In article <Bbba-athleticsU2aF905pe@clarinet.com> clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes:
>	Then in the eighth, Angels reliever Chuck Crim gave up singles to
>Walt Weiss and Lance Blankenship before Henderson crushed his 11th home
>run of the season into the left-field bleachers, giving the A's a 6-5
>lead.

There is my entry for the nomination of net.anti.christ: Chuck Crim.  Up to
this Monday, Crim had a 5.35 ERA, having given up 77 hits in 67 1/3 innings,
14 of which are doubles and 7 of which are homers, and walked 23, striking out
only 22.  He also has 4 wild pitches, and allowed 16 stolen bases (to 6 caught
stealings). :-(  (Crim's 16 SB against leads all major league relievers.)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:23:14 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <QeWGQIC00iUy81MWt0@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>No way, no how is David Cone better than Doug Drabek.  Sorry, but no.
>
>Todd

Huh??? Oh, yeah??  Show your work!!!  PROVE YOUR STATEMENT!!!!!!!!!

Oh, a thousand pardons.  I had a weird delusion that my name was Carl.  Oopsie!


:)

-- 
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I AM the AntiWoofer. - Junior Stathead{tm} - I'm a shutmouthed, selfless idiot!!
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Clemens wins his fourteenth!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 04:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.231153.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay) writes:

>I wouldn't even consider Eckersley. IMHO, I think those relievers are nothing
>and no good compared to the good ol' relievers way back in the good 'le
>days. See rollie fingers, and compare him to Reardon. Reardon would be just
>another average player.

#define FLAME 0.5

Pray tell me why Reardon's horrible performance makes Eckersley's spectacular
performance any less than it is.  Is it just because they are both relievers
who are supposed to be "closers"?  If so, Lee Stevens, a first baseman, is
having a horrible season.  Does that means that we shouldn't consider Frank
Thomas, another first baseman, for MVP?

Relievers don't pitch as many innings as starters; however, a top reliever's
innings (late in the game) are often a lot more important than the innings that
the starters pitch in.

#define FLAME 0

Fingers was great, but the Eck is even better.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: Tanya_Davis.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (Tanya Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: ERWIN--R U THERE????????????
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:54:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: SLAC


ERWIN--

I got your e-mail about the giants posting.  Well, I have tried to send a
response back twice -- it keeps getting bounced back to me...says something
about an illegal host or something like that.  So, if you still need
information, please e-mail me again with a correct address.

--Tanya


- Tanya_Davis.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Phil Plantier??
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:57:27 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

Help!!!
I'm calmly listening to the Red Sox game (I missed the pregame) and out of the
blue (alright, I'm writing a paper as I'm listening, so I'm not hearing it
all) Bob Starr says, "Phil Plantier has 72 hours to report to Pawtucket."
What the @#@$%!!!  Valentine, anyone, what is going on???

C Squared
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: It is going to happen. (was Re: St. Pete Guppies 1993 lineup
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:41:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Aug20.214149.14622
Organization: Bradley University

michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez) writes:

>This scenario has no chance of becoming reality because
>it is based on a false premise...The Saint Petersburg
>Giants have not existed in the past, do NOT exist in 
>the present, and `remain a perpetual possibilty only
>in the world of speculation.' Now on the other hand,
>this does remain a viable proposition for the 
>SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS, who will be playing at
>TOWNSEND YARDS, by the year 1994. ;-)

Two stories on Headline News today....

Bob Lurie is joining the movement to oust Fay Vincent in exchange for owner
support of his sale of the Giants to Tampa Bay.  A Lurie aid either denied
the report or declined comment.

The city of St. Petersberg announced that it will sue the city of San
Francisco if it attempts to interfere with the sale of the Giants.
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Cy Young Update
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:41:54 GMT

In article <92232.223254IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
|> The MVP award is for what its letters stand for: Most Valuable Player.
|> If a pitcher is a league's most valuable player, then that is the way
|> it is. No one can argue that a pitcher can't be a most valuable player
|> for a league. Fact is, there IS an award for "position" players. It's
|> called the Gold Glove award.

  Of course pitchers are eligible for Golden Gloves, too. I think what 
  people who object to pitcher's being eligible for the MVP really would like is 
  a Most Valuable Offensive Player Award, which pretty much eliminates 
  pitchers from contention (despite Nagy's 1.000 Batting Average).

-Ron




|> 
|> +===============================================================+
|> ||   RYAN ROBBINS                    INTERNET:                 ||
|> ||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
|> +===============================================================+
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Base-ball Dream Team
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:52:00 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <36812@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>>... I have to believe that if Bond's had an above average right arm, 
>>he would be in right field. 
>
>That's not his decision, either...  I suspect he can play RF just fine,
>but he's not given the opportunity.  And he's doing well as a LF.

Bonds does not have a real *strong* arm, but that's not really that big a
deal anyway.  His assist totals are above average for an outfielder, and
he's led the league in assists before.  Bonilla has a *stronger* arm, but
Bonds makes better throws.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Giants Walk All Over Dodgers
Date: 14 Aug 1992 23:53:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The Giants beat the Dodgers tonight 3-2.
Hershiser started a bit shakily, but amazingly was backed
up by some dazzling defensive plays tonight.
Nonetheless, he gave up a single and home run (by Williams)
in the 2nd and the Giants took an early 2-0 lead.

Swift did not pitch all that well tonight, since he was
behind nearly every single hitter.  He walked Offerman
and Butler to lead off the game, but Offerman was thrown
out trying to steal second before Butler's walk.

Swift kept giving up hits and walks and ultimately the
Dodgers tied the game 2-2 in the 6th.  The Dodgers first
run came in the 3rd when Orel doubled and the Giants
left and center fielders collided hard and both had to
leave the game with minor injuries.  Butler tripled home
Hershiser and was then stranded on third.  In the
6th, with 2 on and 1 out, Webster, pinch hitting for Goodwin,
hit a foul ball down the first base line that couldn't have been
foul by more than 1/2 inch.  He came that close to breaking the
game open.  But instead, he flied out and Lasorda gambled with
Harris pinch hitting for Orel, even though Orel had the double
earlier, and had really settled down.  In fact, Orel only
gave up those two back to back hits and that was all.

McDowell pitched a scoreless 7th and 8th.  Candelaria came
on in the 9th and walked Will Clark.  Gott replaced Candy and
allowed Clark to steal 2nd on his first pitch.  Gott then walked
the next three batters, making it 3-2 Giants.  Thats right....4
straight walks by Dodger pitchers....sound familiar?

The Dodgers banged out their 10th hit in the 9th, a sharp
single by Sharperson, no pun intended, to lead off.  But the
hit was wasted as Beck retired the next three  batters to earn
the save for Hickerson.  Giants had just 4 hits, but 3 runs and
1 error.  The Dodgers had 10 hits, but only 2 runs, and also
1 error (by Hansen).

						BleedsDodgerBlue
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Kevin Gross No-Hits Giants---and Wins!
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:42:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Aug19.184258.5495
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <4200336@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P  
Boell) writes:
> It just goes to show you how bad the Giants are this year when a 5 - 12
> pitcher can no hit them.  IMO the Butler/McGee fiasco has now been exposed

At least they're in good company. The defending champion Yankees were
no-hit by a 5-19 pitcher in 1952 and went on to win their 4th consecutive  
series anyway.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Inf-fly WAS(Re: Mel's Enfant Terrible Todd (WAS Question-infield fly rule))
Keywords: deju vu, subject, deja vu
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:50:03 GMT


In article <4200328@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim  
Krattiger) writes:
> If I understand correctly, the infield fly rule is to prevent the fielder 
> from dropping the ball on purpose to get a double play.  What I don't
> understand, is why does there have to be runners at first AND second for
> it to be called.  If there is a runner at first only, it is just as  
possible
> for the fielder to drop the ball for the double play.
> 
> Or am I way off on why the infield fly rule is called?????

Nope. If there's a runner on first only and the fielder drops the popup
the runner will have had sufficient time to get to first base. No DP.
Of course, this still leaves the defense the option of dropping the popup
to put a slower runner on first.
If the batter doesn't run out the popup, then he deserves the double play.
john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: What happens if????
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:04:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19801
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

What happens if at the end of the season, three teams are tied for
first spot for the division. Is this  a possiblity and has this
ever occured before.

S.h
From: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Safety nets for Harry Caray
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:23:20 GMT
Reply-To: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Organization: Department of Chemistry, UCLA


  A friend of mine just made a trip to Wrigley field and came back
with an interesting story.  Because the Cubs were in the midst
of a slump while he was there, he said the biggest source of 
conversation in the stands when the 7th inning rolled around 
was whether Harry Caray (apologies to the legend if I have 
misspelled his name) would fall out of the announcer's booth
when he sang "Take Me Out to the Ball Game."  Someone also
told him that there Harry fell out once about 20 years ago, but
at that point there was a large net below the booth that caught
him. 
  This story sounds somewhat strange, so I was wondering if
any Cub fans out there could comment on whether Harry has
taken any dives at Wrigley.
  Thanks,

-Lec Luthor
 Criminal Genius Extraordinaire

Colorado Rockies opening day promotion: Fan Appreciation Day-
  First nine fans in attendance get to start.
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Expos...Updates.
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:25:12 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Could any Expos fan post the game to game descriptions of
the upcoming Expos series with the Braves and the Reds.

Dying to hear about the Expos as they have become the team
to watch, forcing me to look back on my prediction at
the ALL-star break, that the NL-east was a one team(Pirates)
division.

I like the Cubs from the NL but they always come up short.
I want to see whether in my life time, I would see these
Cubbies in a World Series, leave alone, win one.
Sorry Cub fans, no offence meant here.

S.H
Forver a Twins' fan


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From: silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman)
Subject: Re: Gross pitches no-hitter, Dodgers win
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:46:53 GMT

ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey) writes:

>After recieving two four-hit, and one five-hit gem(s) from their pitchers
>and still going 0-3, the Dodgers finally managed to win a game when
>Gross(!!!!?) pitched a no-hitter. If this is what it takes for the
>Dodgers to win, a long year is just going to get longer.  

And on my PTP team, I had a choice of getting Kevin Gross or Kip Gross.
Guess which one I chose :{
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