HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Pierced Ears
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:17:28 GMT

chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:
> friedenb@topaz.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:

> >I was always taught that our bodies are "on loan" from Hashem,
> >and thus tatoos and earrings are out of the question.
> >
> >Does this (earrings rule) apply to women?  It certainly must not!  
> >I know plenty of frum families that have daughters with pierced
> >ears.
> >
> >Men should not dress as women, and thus earrings are forbidden for men 
> >is understood.  
> >
> >Please restrict answers to (appropriate) halachic discussion regarding 
> >desecrating one's body.  (Please no discussion on "Women *can* wear 

> I just listened to a professor of Talmud explain that in some Sephardi communities
> the hachamim wear earrings as a sign of accomplishment in Torah study.  This would
> be in North African or Arabian peninsula communities, where the custom among Arab
> men is to wear earrings.

There is a Mishna in Tractate Shabbat discussing whether walking outside
with strings in (newly ?) pierced ears (to prevent the holes from closing)
is permissible or whether it is considered "hotza'ah."  It would appear,
therefore, that piercing ears was an acceptable barbarism. :-)

-Don Gertler
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Minyan in Senate!
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:19:44 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

In article <Pine.3.05.9211101740.A1267-a100000@alsys1> <Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>> writes:
>
>i had heard that there will be eleven jews in the senate. but i was under
>the impression that diane feinsteins mother was not jewish.
>
>
>
>Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
>ness@aecom.yu.edu                      
>
*I* am under the impression that Dianne Goldman Feinstein formally
converted to Judaism before she married Richard Blum.  

What flavor of conversion, I couldn't say. . .

			. . .A.
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Conservative Leadership on the 21st Century
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:01:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.183442.16789@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
friedenb@birch.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:

>Who will lead the C movement in the future?  

<evolution of a Conservative Jew with minimal learning to an Orthodox (?)
with more, deleted.>

>So here is the C problem:  Continue to educate the C youth leaders and 
>risk educating them right out of the movement, or deprive them of this 
>education (an option which is un-thinkable).

I wouldn't worry about it.  While it is true that the Conservative
Movement's best successes seem to pass under-educated (Jewishly) people
through the movement then on to more observance, there are many JTS,
Ramah, Solomon Schechter, etc alumni that practice similarly to more
Orthodox Jews but who truly believe in the Conservative Movement's
theology and philosophy.  I have heard that the best "successes" of the
Solomon Schechter Day School system no longer consider themselves
Conservative (I know several of them myself), yet some of the
distinctions between the Orthodox and Conservative movements will keep
people in the Conservative fold.  Women's participation and ordination
come to mind most readily.

Even when these people aquire the understanding to seperate society's
concept of equality from Judaism's and see that Judaism is not sexist
(except by today's society's standards), the emotional comfort of praying
without a Mechitza will be a strong draw to Conservative Judaism in the
same way that there are people today who remember growing up with a more
traditional service and feel uncomfortable in Reform services even though
"theologically" they'd be more comfortable there.

Sorry for the run-on sentence.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:32:42 GMT

In article <2757@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:

# dm = makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
 
# me: I don't know about David Skoll, but I have read the deceased racist's
                                                                   ^^^^^^^^
# me: books and articles and heard him speak.
 
# dm: We are discussing Rabbi Meir Kahane.  Not whoever it was you heard
# dm: speak.
 
# Yes, we are discussing the late racist rabbi.

	By "we" I meant the discussion I was taking part in involving the
non Racist Rabbi Meir Kahane (HY"D).  Please stay out of this
discussion if you want to discuss another Rabbi who might have
happened to be a racist.
--
"For all I care, you can send your money to the Hitler memorial fund, too, if
that pleases you."

From  arens@vaxa.isi.edu (Yigal Arens) in article <9323@venera.isi.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: British Royal Family Qestion
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:42:29 GMT

In: <memo.740889@cix.compulink.co.uk>
stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips) tells of his biography:
 Subject: Re: British Royal Family question.

>> +From         : EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
>> +Subject      : British Royal Family question.
>>
>> I recently learned that the baby boys of the British Royal Family are
>> circumcised by a mohel. Does anybody have any further information on this?
>
>I had the "honour" of being circumcised by the late Dr. Snowman A'H
>who was employed by Her Majesty the Queen to circumcise Princes
>Charles, Andrew and Edward. Apparently it used to be the custom to
>circumcise royal baby boys, no doubt for medical/hygienic reasons,
>and a Mohel was used.
>
>I believe that the "modern" royals (like Charles and Diana) have not
>had their sons circumcised.

I wonder  if the "Dr" of  the late Dr Snowman  was a PhD or  an MD? It
would give an insight on the type of "mohel" the Royal Family (and the
Phillips family) picked.  Just curious.

>Stephen (Yisroel) Phillips      Tel: 44-895-442141

 Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: Belief and science (Einstein)
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:27:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.174400.4716@guinness.idbsu.edu> holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:

			..................

>It is mathematically provable that the class of all true sentences in
>a reasonable language is impossible to define in that language
>(Tarski's Paradox).  In order to avoid this phenomenon, one has to
>make the expressive capabilities of one's language _weaker_ (making
>the language more expressive does not help!).  In particular, it can
>be applied to ideas in the mind of God, as follows:

			.....................

This is the case if the language has only proofs of finite length.  Since
we do not know how to do infinitary operations, although we can handle 
some of them, we cannot be sure of what God can or cannot do.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:19986 alt.sex:36128
From: ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Omar Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Date: 14 Nov 92 05:16:42 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.sex: 13-Nov-92 Re: Oral sex Mark Ira
Kaufman@clevela (321)


>    Maybe you can't come to terms with your girlfriend on a sexual
> basis because you are a vulgar person.  Do you think that this is
> a proper place for such a discussion?
> -- 
>    "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
> may not be both."
>                                  - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel


This is alt.sex.  Where else would be more appropriate?

					Tom the non hacker
					Kemp in 96!
					"If patriotism is the last refuge
					of scoundrels,  Then environmentalism
					is the current refuge of totalitarians."
					Bob Jackson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: NEED SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT JUDAISM
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:28:00 GMT

In article <9211091515.AA04973@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov> writes:
>>On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, KAZI ASIMUDDIN wrote:
>>
>>> I need some knowledge about judaism, could somebody send some basic knowledge
>>> about judaism.!!!!!!!!
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>
>>do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you. the rest is
>>commentary. go and study it.
>>
>>Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
>>ness@aecom.yu.edu                      


>Sounds familiar.  Still the best description, and certainly the shortest.

That's because Seth typed it in while standing on one leg.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: gt7491a@prism.gatech.EDU (Morris J. Schwartz (gt7491a))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: L'Chaym ??
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:44:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

What happened to the L'Chaym publication of Chabad?
Can I get it by e-mail since it doesn't seem to be delivered to scj anymore?
I can't even find a subdirectory for it in israel.nysernet.org even though
it's listed in the Index...

Does anybody remember an anouncement made offering some Tehilim poster or
something like that for a newborn, that I believed appeared in an old issue
of L'Chaym?  Is that offer still valid, and what's the address for requesting
this gift?

Thanks much
Shabat Shalom
Morris
-- 
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 | |   | | | | | |       |  , /  | | |       | | | | |  | *      SPACE
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman)
Subject: Re: Modest dress in Judaism (was Re: sexism in Judaism)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:23:31 GMT


In article <1d9qr4INNjum@morrow.stanford.edu>, aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes...
>Think how liberating the law is!  You can look as beautiful as you want, just
>obey a few small dress codes and then if the guys start ogling you as you
>sashay around the dance floor (with your husband, of course) you can feel 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>secure in the knowledge that it's not your fault, it's theirs.

It is extremely rare in the circles in which I travel/party to see women who
are concerned about tznius "sashaying around the dance floor" with their
husbands.   

Though mixed seating is provided for at many frum social functions, mixed
dancing would not be considered modest behavior.
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Einstein and Judaism
Date: 10 Nov 1992 03:07:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


I find this highly consistent with the notion of G-d in Judaism.

Leslie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:10:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.155327.11995@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>[context deleted]
>
>It's easy for a Jew in Israel to criticise dead Jews on
>soc.culture.jewish.  Would that others were as tolerant of such deep
>criticism; We already know that others are tolerant of such deep hate.
>
>Surely, Warren, you could have done better than this.
  I don't see how. One of Israel's greatest strengths, recognised
  implicitly by the arguments advanced by her adversaries, is her striving,
  however imperfectly, for a moral society. There is no shame in this,
  as I think you in fact agree.

  Last night on CBC radio's "As it Happens" they interviewed an
  Arab-Israeli lawyer, who had just won a case against the government.
  The army (Tzahal) had been found to have wrongly caused the death of
  one, and the injury of another, Palestinians (non-Israelis). The
  government has been ordered to pay compensation. To my mind, the
  most telling indictment of Israel's adversaries is that they would
  think that this reflects negatively on Israel.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:59:16 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)

In article <1992Nov11.143823.526@umbc3.umbc.edu>, shimoff@umbc4 (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>In article <2792@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>>>mw: Exactly.  The shirt under the t.k. is to keep it clean.

>>But is the shirt under the tk required by halacha or is it just
>>convenient to do so since undershirts are cheaper than tk's so it's
>>easier to have lots of undershirts than lots of tk's?  If the former,
>>could you provide a reference?

A teshuva in Sefer Mayim Hahalakha was the only reference I found on
short notice, but I've come across it in several places.  SMH said the
reason was to keep the t.k. clean, and cited various authorities.

>The reason for an undershirt under the tk is because real men wear
>tk's with racing stripes.  In hot weather, the racing stripes leave a
>mark across one's midsection, and you look like you've been run over
>by a bicycle.

See what I mean?  You're all wet.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:45:49 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

In article <1992Nov11.204409.5580@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.155327.11995@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) went on about...
>>>wb: I don't know about David Skoll, but I have read the deceased racist's
>>>wb: books and articles and heard him speak.
>>>
>>>dm: We are discussing Rabbi Meir Kahane.  Not whoever it was you heard
>>>dm: speak.
>>>
>>>Yes, we are discussing the late racist rabbi.
>>
>>I challenge you to post this about the Mufti or the Ayatollah.
>>To tpm or soc.culture.arabic.
>>
>>Or about the Pope.  To the (moderated?) Christian religion newsgroup.
>>
>>It's easy for a Jew in Israel to criticise dead Jews on
>>soc.culture.jewish.  Would that others were as tolerant of such deep
>>criticism; We already know that others are tolerant of such deep hate.
>>
>>Surely, Warren, you could have done better than this.
>
>Contrary to the above-expressed opinion, there are plenty of Muslims who
>DO criticise the Ayatullah or other prominent figures in the Muslim world.
>

And here is one of them.

Nabil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Kosher Honey - Still no answer
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:30:09 GMT

jg = jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
c = chips@eskimo.celestial.com (:crp:) writes:

c:  And PLEASE!, the bible only talks about DATE honey !
jg: While this is true of much of biblical honey, isn't the honey in
jg: Samson's (Shimshon's) dead lion bee honey?

Good point.  I checked to make sure that he eats it.  His parents do,
too.  He doesn't tell them that it's from the lion, but I assume that
one could distinguish between bee honey and date honey.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org 			    Jerusalem
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:32:37 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Israel
 <92313.2013142893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <92313.215906CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>

In article <92313.215906CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>, <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
says:
>
>In article <92313.2013142893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> says:
>>
>>In article <1dkd2iINNbv9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu   k
>>(Mar
>>Ira Kaufman) says:
>>>
>>>Is there a chance it will be kosher???
>>>
>>Kosher Cheeseburgers?  Their milkshakes don't have any milk anyway so at
>least
>>they won't have a problem there (why do you think they call them "shakes")
>>
>My speculation is that McD's will probably follow the pattern of the other
>Israeli hamburger chains -- Kosher in Jerusalem, treif elsewhere.
>
>Actually kosher cheeseburgers are no big trick.  I have had plenty --
>either by using parve "soycheese" on a real hamburger (which I have
>not done for some time, having adopted vegetarianism some months ago)
>or by using real cheese on parve burgers (like those made by Kibbutz
>Lochamei Hagetaot, known as Tivoll in Israel and imported to the US
>under the brand name Garden Gourment).
>
>Worthington Farms also makes good vegetarian hamburgers (called Grillers)
>but these are certified O-K Dairy.
>
>I am waiting for someone to invent totally artificial food which can be eaten
>on Yom Kippur without violating the fast. :-)

Ever heard of Twinkies?:)
>
>Rabbi Charles Arian
>CARIAN@american.edu
>
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Israel
Date: 9 Nov 1992 00:57:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Is there a chance it will be kosher???

-- 
   "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
may not be both."
                                 - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel

Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:19655 talk.politics.mideast:22001
From: sarah@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: NYC Parking rules on Wednesdays - Why?
Reply-To: sarah@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 09:02:23 GMT

My great-grandmother had two kitchens - one next to the dining room 
and the other hidden in the basement.  Why?  Her husband wanted her to
cook trayf and she refused in "her" kitchen.  So he built another kitchen.
She cooked "his" food in "His" kitchen. I can't remember it ever being
used for any of us, though.  I guess maybe WE deserved better :-)

Sarah, in Albany with a Migraine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mandel@litp.ibp.fr (Arnaldo MANDEL)
Subject: Re: Kosher & Jewish Holidays (2 different subjects)
Organization: Chaos
	<92309.182218CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
	<1992Nov5.152621.2481@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:11:09 GMT
Full-Name: Arnaldo MANDEL

In article <1992Nov5.152621.2481@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lise@kepler.uucp (80734-romanov) writes:

>    In article <92309.182218CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>    >
>    >I'm not sure about congregational rabbis (BTW, it is not proper to capitalize
>    >"rabbi" as a generic noun) but Hillel directors who are rabbis get paid for
>    >moving furniture and setting up chairs. Everything else we do for free.
>    >
>    >Rabbi Charles Arian
>    >CARIAN@american.edu
> 
>    My understanding is that congregational rabbis are not paid per se for
>    holiday and Shabbat services.  They are compensated because the preparation
>    (ongoing) required for services combined with constant service to the
>    community restricts them from making a living otherwise.   

Typical make believe hypocrisy of the kind that makes more and more people
lose all respect for institutional religion.  Orthodox Judaism is certainly
full of this (starting, perhaps, with the "shabbes goy" of old).

Too bad that being Jewish sort of identifies me with this silly behavior.

Anyway, it looks like most of the posters to this group are of the 
pray/eat-kosher/keep-shabbos variety.  Are there any who:

a) Can only say prayers by tuning off all comprehension of the text?

b) Avoid, when possible, eating kasher due to taste constraints?

c) Use shabbat as a good day for travelling or doing the weekly shopping?


--
............................................................
Arnaldo Mandel   ---  am@ime.usp.br
Temporarily: mandel@litp.ibp.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lise@kepler.uucp (80734-romanov)
Subject: Re: Kosher & Jewish Holidays (2 different subjects)
Reply-To: er@oscar.bellcore.com (80734-romanov,elisabeth)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:26:21 GMT

In article <92309.182218CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>I'm not sure about congregational rabbis (BTW, it is not proper to capitalize
>"rabbi" as a generic noun) but Hillel directors who are rabbis get paid for
>moving furniture and setting up chairs. Everything else we do for free.
>
>Rabbi Charles Arian
>CARIAN@american.edu

My understanding is that congregational rabbis are not paid per se for
holiday and Shabbat services.  They are compensated because the preparation
(ongoing) required for services combined with constant service to the community restricts them from making a living otherwise.  




Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: NEED SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT JUDAISM
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:24:01 GMT

sn = ness@aecom.yu.edu (Seth L. Ness)
n = <norm@helix.nih.gov>
ak = ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)

sn: do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you. the rest is
sn: commentary. go and study it.

n: Sounds familiar.  Still the best description, and certainly the shortest.

ak: That's because Seth typed it in while standing on one leg.

Seth, you had better get a terminal installed next to your bathtub.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org 			    Jerusalem
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:21:23 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ORTHODOX
 <1992Nov12.162212.27668@umbc3.umbc.edu> <FAIGIN.92Nov12085107@soldan.aero.org>

I think it's unfortunate that we leave out mention of two new and fast-
growing denominations in American Judaism:

ORTHODONTY: Orthodonty believes that Judaism is a religion of laws. If
the laws are to be enforced, they must have teeth, and those teeth
might as well be straight.

RECONSIDERISM: Those Jews might regularly in conference to consider their
positions on crucial issues of the day. Then shortly thereafter they meet
again to change and revise their previously-adopted positions.

(With apologies to Rabbi Jack Moline.)

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish