From: nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: How much $$$/Org/year ? An estimate!
Date: 24 Nov 1992 03:08:13 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Keywords: Holee Freeholees!

In article <1992Nov23.100008.6251@lds-az.loral.com> jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:
>In article <1eq2frINNg3a@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk) writes:

[deleted: Frees' suggestion that got me going(Hmmm... "Free", how 
Zappa'esque, I think I'll name my firstborn "Free".  It's better
than "Moon-Unit", well.. maybe not!]

[deleted: my justifications for the numbers I used]

>>From the TIME article:
>>     Personality test:    FREE!
>>     Auditing(12.5hrs*$500/hr)                $6250.00
>>     Say 3 communications courses 3*$250.00=  $ 750.00
>>     Clear Certainty Rundown                  $2800.00
>>     NEW! O.T. I (from AOLA)                  $2200.00
>>     O.T. II (from AOLA)                      $4300.00
>>     O.T. III (from AOLA)                     $7300.00
>>     O.T. IV  (ditto)                         $6600.00
>>     O.T. V-VII  (TIME)                      $25600.00
>>     Case Check (AOLA )-gotta have one!       $ 625.00
>>     Purification Rundown for the brave!      $2250.00
>>     Hubbard(R) Key to Life Course (AOLA)     $8750.00
>>     OT Doctorate (only for the succesful!    $4500.00
>>     --------------------------------------------------
>>Total: per successful case.           only(!):$71925.00
>>
>>O.K. so we now have(roughly) $71925.00/successful scientologist.

>This indicates your lack of understanding of Scientology.

Oh. sorry.

>First, a success does not require the attainment of New OT VII.  There
>are not 50,000 New OT VII's.  There aren't even, IMHO, 5,000.

Fair enough, are there 1000 OT VII's?

>KTL, OT Doctrate course, the communication course (only one would be
>taken), are optional and not required to go from aberrated to 
>New OT VII.
>Next, only Purification Rundown through New Era Dianetics (which
>produces Clears for most people) are available at a typical Scientology
>church.  New OT VI-VII are only available at FSO (in Clearwater, Florida).
>New OT I-V are only available at Advanced Organizations and FSO.
>(There are approx. 6 AO's.)
>A success in Scientology could mean attaining Clear or maybe completing
>the grades or even less.  A success means that the person has improved
>from a course or auditing.

Excellent!  O.K. we have a definition for success, plus much more info!

>>now lets look at the 90% who say "this is crazy!", lets say that 
>>this 90% quits, on average, at the halfway mark, some quit early
>>some quit later, but *on average* they quit after paying $71925/2
>>=35962.50.  Lets be conservative, and give the unsuccessful PC 
>>a bit more brains and round down, so *on average* the unsuccessful
>>PC quits after paying $30000.00.

>These figures are completely unreal.

But remember, most of the estimates are based on the info *you*
gave us.

>>	What have we got?

>>Scn income for the past ten years = ?
[calculations deleted]
>>      = $4.32*10^9 in the past ten years where the Scn claims (see 
>>disclaimers) "tens of thousands" of success stories.
>>Now,  how much per org per year?
>>$4.32*10^9 / 450 Orgs / 10 years = $959,000.00 /Org/year

>Phoenix Org (where I was staff) *wished* that were true.  They made, at the
>most, 75,000 last year.  Missions (which make up about 300 in the 450)
>are not able to deliver nearly as much.  I'd guess (IMO) an average
>mission might make 25,000 in a year (averaged out).

Did you do the money management, Jonathon?  Who told you this?

>Remember, the operating expenses of these organizations are reasonbly
>high.  Rent, utilities, supplies, reserves, staff pay all add up.

agreed.

>>Wow!  And that's a *very* conservative estimate!
>>What about my earlier guess of 50,000 successes and 500,000 failures
>>(failures in a manner of speaking of course!).   Well... just
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>multiply the above number by five!

>If a failure is someone who hasn't yet reached New OT VII, then
>there are something like 6 billion failures on the planet.  Right?

Don't be silly, Jonathon, we are only talking about people who have
attempted the scientology courses.  This is quite obvious!  A "failure"
would be someone who who figured out that Scn wasn't for her.  I 
certainly wouldn't lable such a person a failure. 

>>	5 * $959,000.00 /Org/Year = 4,795,000 /Org/year.
>>note that this assumes only NINE succesful scientologists /Org/month,
>>and 90 unsuccessfull scientologists.

>As New OT VII is not available except at *ONE* of these organizations,
>the average failure per org must be staggering!

point taken, I will revise my estimate when time allows,  or maybe
it's someone elses turn?

>Jonathon
>Barbera

Thanks, for the new info!
-- 
Richard Nistuk               4th Yr Physics at U.B.C.
nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca