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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (WHY??)
Subject: Re: Faith in the Word (was: Drinking & christian living)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:04:10 GMT

(David Nyarko) writes:
>(Paul Hudson Jr) writes:
>>(David Nyarko) writes:
>>>the shock of her doctor who thought she would die if she went of it.

Ok, how long ago was this?  Can you produce evidence from a doctor stating
that she is not being affected in *any* way by her reduction of medicine
intake, (lethargy, etc.).

>I have personally known an 11 year old girl and her 10 year old brother,
>who were a witch and a wizard. The girl actually being the head (queen-
>witch) of a gathering of witches and wizards far older that her. They
>were obviously demonic possessed. In parts of the world where Fetish
>worship and vodoo practices are very common, these are also common.
>However, the power of God breaks all these.

How do you know they were "witches and wizards".  That said, what proof 
is there that their magic is evil, (let's assume these professions exist
and that they work)?  How do you determine demonic possession?  Is is 
because they projectile vomit and spin their heads around?

More detail and justification is necessary, I'm afraid.


>"A result of GOD's love for mankind was the giving of his only Son
>Jesus Christ so that anyone who believes in his Son would instead of
>perishing as GOD's justice demands, rather have eternal life."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not a very nice fellow, is he, whose justice demands that we all
perish.
I am not sure I would trust a person with *that* sort of conception of
what justice should be.

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:53:20 -0500
From:         MARCI HENDRIX <HENDRIX@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Spiritual leadership in the home

In our marriage, we reserve the practice of logic only for days we're too
tired to hollar -- just kidding.  Not to change the subject too much, but
we are all made up of different temperments and some are more inclined to
hollar a little than others.  Whereas I don't enjoy arguing with my husband
in a high pitched voice, I know I would aggrevated if we approached EVERY
THING logically and nonemotionally -- sometimes it can be fun to hollar
a little.  Maybe we've led a sheltered life.  I know many a couple that
enjoys a hollaring session for the benefits reaped when making up,
 -- Marci
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:38:42 EDT
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Spiritual leadership in the home

Before someone realizes that it is men taking the viewpoint that
John and Roger have taken, I also feel that God has given men
this responsibility.  But, any advice to we women that have husbands
that do not want to take it?  My husband is a wonderful man and
very precious to me.  I want him to take over leadership as the
Bible has instructed.  But he is hesitant, he wants to please me
and all the kids.  He does not enjoy making decisions.  I appreciate
the fact that he bends over backwards to make me happy, but I
really would like him to take the bull by the horns once in a while.

As far as leadership, he has spiritual leadership by example.  He
is involved with the church, attends regularly, and our children
know what is important to him.  He is too good :-).

In Christ...
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BIG RAPIDS, MI 49307                    +   PHILIPPIANS 4:13
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:11:08 CDT
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      multiple personalities cont.

Multiple personality disorder is a recognized psychiatric illness.  You can
find a symptomatic description of it in a university or other large
library. I needed to do some research on it last year for a paper I wrote,
and used the book psych students call the "DSM-III-R" or "Diagnostic and
Statistical (??) Manual 3rd Ed. Revised."  This may help to sort out the
actual symptoms and see whether they match a clinical definition or not.

Hope this helps,

Carol Slingo
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:19:59 CDT
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Amy Grant and her "Crossover" Music

How many of you were tricked into becoming a Christian by hearing a
Gospel message that was 'cloaked'?  If your minister of the gospel
started singing 'Baby, baby' in church to reach the unsaved that were
there, what would you do?  Weather or not Amy Grant knew it, she was a
minister of the Gospel, the young kids who listened to her Gospel music
are the ones we should be concerened about. How will this music effect
them. Do they know what Amy is singing about has changed?

Which song in particular of BeBe and Cece's does not give specific
praises to God?
Yvette
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:43:46 CDT
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Psycho Witch Doctors.
              31 Jul 1992 08:31:00 EST from
              <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>

Yes! AMEN! Right on!
Praise God!
Every missionary knows when he enters a foreign mission field, one of the
very first battles will be to remove the presence and or influence of the
local witch doctor.
In 20th century America, the witch doctors are the psycho-babblers
(psychologists, psychiatrists, counsellors, etc.). Every Christian will
find upon attempting to share the gospel, the unbeliever has been
fairly well influenced by the pop culture's wisdom as preached by the
nation's own witch doctors.

Tom Brewer
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:48:57 EDT
From:         dave talaga x2752 <talaga@E5SB.OSDHW.SYR.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Spiritual leadership in the home
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Hi Nancy,

Hope you don't mind this mailgram.  I read your posts with great intrest and my
 response has grown to book proportions; however, I can't figure out how to post
 to Christia.  Can you help me out?  To signup I sent a message to the
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    listserv%CHRISTIA.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

Is this where I send a post?

I have also been a bit hesitant to send stuff, since I'm not sure of the
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Thanks for your time.

Dave Talaga

Syracuse, NY
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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Amy Grant and her "Crossover" Music

LSMITH@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU writes:
"However, Amy's last album, and her most famous song 'Baby, Baby' did not have
anything to do with God.  How could she truly profess to be a Christian when
she is singing music that does not edify Him?"

First let me say that I don't have a problem with Amy's crossover.  From
what I've heard, her concerts are still a place where you can go and hear
about God (but I haven't been to any).  And I like the song 'Baby, Baby'.  It
makes me think of my husband and how much I love him, and the lyrics are much
better than a lot of other secular love songs.  Amy keeps them clean.  And
God made the love that women and men share, so why shouldn't we sing about
it?

That being said, this post made me think of a lot of the things I do every
day, and I had to smile at myself.  I ate lunch today.  That didn't edify
God, but I still call myself a Christian.  I work full-time at a secular
job with a university.  It's where God wants me to be, but the job itself
doesn't particularly edify him, and yet I call myself a Christian.  I teach
part-time.  That doesn't edify God, and yet I call myself a Christian.
My job places me in a position where people who do not know Christ can see
someone who does.  The job itself does not edify God, and yet it is where
he wants me and I can still call myself a Christian.

Amy's "job" is no different.  She has chosen to sing as a profession or
occupation.  She could choose to sing strictly religious songs, but instead
she has chosen to "cross over" to secular music.  Until we have reason to
doubt her sincerity, we should give her the benefit of the doubt.  She is,
after all a Christian, and Christians regularly try to seek God's will
for their lives.  In crossing over to secular music, she reaches
a much larger audience--people who might otherwise never hear about God
except at her concerts or through her example.  The songs themselves may
not particularly edify God, and yet she still dares to call herself
a Christian.  (smile)

Brenda
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:02:14 CDT
From:         Anthony Glen Jeffries <jeffries@IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      warnke articles are on FTP

In regards to my last post....

I went ahead and renamed the file on wuarchive.  It is still in the /pub
directory, but it was called "warnke.Z".  This tells us that the file is
compressed, but doesn't tell us that it is also a tar archive.  It is now
named "warnke.tar.Z".

How to extract the files (on UNIX):

1)  type "uncompress warnke.tar.Z"

2)  Wait for the system to give you your prompt again.

3)  type "tar xpf warnke.tar"

You will get a directory called "today" in the same directory as the file
"warnke.tar".  In this directory, you will find the text files we've all
been talking about.

As for extracting the files on other systems, I only know about the Macintosh.
If you're on a Mac, e-mail me and I'll try to help.

As for other systems, I don't know much of anything.

Anthony Glen Jeffries N0NRO               |------------------------|
N0NRO@N0AN.IA.USA.NA  (packet--ham radio) |-Iowa State University--|
jeffries@iastate.edu                      |-------Ames, Iowa-------|
tabl4@isuvax.iastate.edu                  |------------------------|
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:52:00 EST
From:         WKJ <JAMES@XAVIER.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Prayer request - G.D. Dodson

Cast all of your care upon Him, He careth for you.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:39:11 EDT
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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      US Politics-Christian/non-Christian values of Politicians

In my last post, I either mistyped Jordan's quote to which I was
responding, or my mailer ate it.  Here is the appropriate quote:

"Hm.  Still, is it better to trust someone who is apparently sincere in holding
 to values that are non-Christian, as opposed to someone who may waffle on
 holding to values that are Christian?  "Lesser of two evils" springs to mind..

  Jordan"

Brenda
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From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Subject: Re: "Communion of saints"
Keywords: Apostle's Creed
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:03:04 GMT

The Creed that was alluded to is the Apostle's Creed, the most common of the
three oft-mentioned Creeds, the other two being the Nicean and Athanasius'
Creeds.  It is dated from the time of the apostles and is intended to be
a correct and concise statement of what Christians believe.  It is used
by almost all churches with varying frequency; it is even included
in the Baptist hymnal (in the back).  It reads:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, 
creator of heaven and earth;
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord;
who was concieved by the Holy Ghost,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried.
He descended into hell.	                     (Some churches omit this)
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence shall he come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.  Amen.

The Episcopal Book of Common Prayer in its catechism says:
"Q.  What is the communion of saints?
 A.  The communion of saints is the whole family of God,
     the living and the dead, those whom we love and those whom we hurt,
     bound together in Christ by sacrament, prayer, and praise."

Romans 8:27 says "And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the
                  Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints 
                  in accordance with God's will."

Paul's letter to the Ephesians is addressed "To the saints in Ephesus"
(Eph 1:1).

The definition in the back of the NIV study bible also says both the
living and the dead are "saints."  Note that the word "communion"
is also important here - it does not just say "the saints"
but "the communion of saints."  This is to show that we are to be one
in Christ Jesus, and also that we are, mystically, through 
"sacrament, prayer, and praise."  The Eucharist is also called 
Holy Communion because in it we are joined with all the other saints
(take this symbolically if you're really Protestant however.)

The Catholic Church to the best of my knowledge also defines the
communion of saints in this way - they do not mean it to be the
"canon of saints," which is a special subset of "all the saints."

Need any other things about this explained (I am just waiting for the 
"holy catholic Church" part of the Creed to get flamed)?


Ernest Mueller
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:18:29 MST
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Subject:      Christia's charter

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From:         Gretchen Magruder <SM0694%SPRINGB.bitnet@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>
Subject:      Amy Grant and her "Crossover" Music

Regarding Amy Grant's "crossover", I happen to think that she is helping to ope
n people's eyes to Christianity.  I recently attended one of her concerts and
was blown away by the atmosphere!  It was a totally "christian" concert - her
opening act was Charlie Peacock ( another christian artist).  She could have
opened with any number of secular artists, but chose to go with someone who
would probably be unknown to most of her concert-goers.
About 3/4 of her concert was from previous "christian" albums, and she talked
alot about Jesus in her life.  She ended the concert with the song "Hopes set
high";  This song says "If there's anything good that happens in life it's from
 Jesus".  I think this summed it all up and I think it sums it up for the new
album:  All of the wonderful things she sings about - love, family, babies,-
it's all from Jesus.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:27:54 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Psychology

Patrick ;

Indicating human and animal behaviour is different from showing ultimate
CAUSES of such behaviours.
Psychology offers no epistemological answers, only that certain traits or
tendencies exist.

Psychology offers observations of human and animal behaviour rather than
actual origins/rationales behind such.
If we remove SIN out of the equation of human behaviour, then ultimate
answers are unattainable. Psychology redefines malproductive behavioural
patterns with coats of rhetorical paint, but they still circumnavigate
the source of definition for all human behaviour, morals, rationales ...
the Word of God.




Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:00:37 EDT
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      marriage (mine)

Just to let you all know...

I have been married 24 years.  My husband is a wonderful man
and a strong Christian.  His personality does not lend to the
dominate man type.  But I don't think a family with the
husband as head has to be led by dominance in that sense.

I changed churches because of him, 24 years ago.  I have
grown comfortable in our church.  To our marriage, going to
the same church is important.  He and I agree on most 'church'
things, he is usually right on those we don't and can find
scripture supporting his position.  I have grown much from
his leadership and headship.  And is a terrific example to
our children.

I can submit to him because he loves me as Christ loves the
church.  And I must follow his lead as the Christian church
must follow Christ.

Now...examples of where I would like him to make decisions where
he is hesitant to do such...  (most are not relevant to spiritual
leadership)

1.  what restaurant we will eat in when we have 6 people wanting
    6 different places...I don't like fast food...we can't afford
    lobster...kids always want McD's...etc.

2.  curfew for the kids...I will tell them one thing, then he
    will disagree, usually in the kids' favor...we should have
    discussed it before the kid is on their way out...kids
    usually win this one  :-)

3.  On Sunday evening we have a prayer and praise group.  I enjoy
    it, he thinks it's okay.  He likes to play basketball with a
    group of 13-15 year olds at church...He feels guilty not going
    with me, but what he's doing is good for the boys...he has
    trouble deciding and then feels guilty whichever way he decides

Are these good examples?  I don't know.  I really don't have any
problems with my marriage other than I would like to spend more
time with my husband.  I think my question was kinda rhetorical in
the first place.  Thank you all for your concern...

I'm looking forward to the next 24 years together :-)

Carol
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
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Subject: Re: Clinton's acceptance speech and Scriptural allusions (politics)
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:07:21 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <CHRISTIA%92072107250460@ASUACAD.BITNET>, "Roger A. Phyall" <ROGER@TEMPLEVM.BITNET> writes:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 00:29:52 -0500 Greywolf said:
>>In article <CHRISTIA%92071808161299@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Kerry Stephenson
>><KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes:
>>> Is everybody packed?
>>
>>But ... Where are we supposed to *go*?
>>
>>I don't know of too many Christian nations in today's world...

>      Shame on you, you slept what Kerry was talking about.  She was speaking in
> terms of the "Last Days" prior to the "Rapture".  As I replied to her, I have

Oops.  My misinterpretation!  I guess it's just that I've heard a few fellow
Christians lamenting about the state of our nation and almost seeming to
suggest that it's time to just "give up" on it, but I tend to wonder just what
that would *mean*.

Yeah, I'd be kind of surprised if the Anti-Christ were already here.  I'd
imagine the AC to be loved by one and almost all as far as the world is
concerned.  Somebody who can win just about everybody's heart.  i.e. nobody
that I know of.

-Jordan
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