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From: broadley@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu (Bill Broadley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Road bikes in the winter.
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:56:31 GMT
Reply-To: broadley@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I ride bikes year around in Pittsburgh.  Every day i.e. no car.

I find that sweatshirt, gloves, helmet, loose jeans (tight jeans are COLD), 
ski jacket (with high collar), socks, and mountain boots/hightop leather shoes
to be fine down to 25 degrees (F) just a hat, and glasses if it's cooler. 
Down to -20.  Doesn't often get colder, but if it does, and there's a
storm I'm out in it ;-)

I ski the same way... I don't have hundeds to spend on an "outfit"

If you not cold for the first 5 minutes your dressed to warm...
Don't dilly dally outside, get out, warm up, and motor.

I'd freeze to death waiting for a BUS.

Only on the messiest snow/ice days do I resort to a MTB.

Of course I have been stopped by cops, cars, etc saying your crazy,
which I reply it's just like skiing.

I've stopped more then once to push a stuck car.
-- 
Bill				1st>	Broadley@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu
Broadley@schneider3.lrdc.pitt.edu <2nd 3rd> 	Broadley+@pitt.edu
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Cycling with broken toe.
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:08:36 GMT

In <1992Oct5.175931.11367@atlastele.com> dsmith@atlastele.com (Doug Smith) writes:


>I suffered a minor fracture in a toe last week, and was wondering if
>it's safe to cycle with a broken toe. My doctor told me no running
>for 3 weeks, and swimming is o.k., but wasn't sure about cycling and
>thought it best not to risk it.

>Is there anyone out in net-land who could share their experiences
>cycling with a minor toe fracture? 

I've done this several times without problems.  One toe
didn't heal quite straight, but now fits better in
narrow-toed cycling shoes :-)
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From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:06:03 GMT
Subject: Re: VO2 and cycling shoes vs running shoes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

Eric Praetzel writes:

>>John Ampe writes:

>>>"The blood lactate, heart rate, perceived exertion, and ventilatory responses
>>>to three cycling intensities ranging beteween 60 and 90% of VO2max were not
>>>different when pedaling with toe clips and shoe cleats as opposed to when 
>>>cycling with a standard rubber pedal while wearing general atheletic shoes.
>>>VO2 max was also not different under the two conditions."

>>>So much for that XX% boost from "real" cycling shoes and pedals.

>>> -Eric

>>
>>Interesting information, Eric, but I've never heard anyone claim that
>>cycling shoes and cleats improve blood lactate, heart rate, perceived
>>exertion, ventilatory response, or VO2max.  Advocates of cycling shows
>>and cleats claim they improve speed, the one variable you have
>>apparently failed to measure.

>> -John

>You forgot the smilies.
>If any of those other stats change you will be going faster.  In the test the
                                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>power was constant and there was no effect on the body.  Therefore going to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>stiff shoes has not measurable effect on the human body and no effect on
>what you can do.  I would have expected some small effect because good pedals
>help in aligning your feet to transmitt torque most efficiently.  But my
>bet is that the angle required is close enough to horizontal that friction
>will hold your feet. However, I imagine that the feet are more liable to
>slip out (it happens to me on my strapless commuter) so it is less safe.
>  - Eric 

Then, in a later posting, Eric makes a retraction of his misstatement:

>Scratch my constant power bit there.  I am going to have to read a bit more.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I will get into it a bit more but it looks like I have to find a lot more
>studies before I can put the pieces of this puzzle together.  ie This study
>does not conclude what I want it too so I'm not going to post the bits I
>don't like  :-)  Time to look for better data  ;-)
> - Eric

A perfect example of using a half-assed study to "prove" a point when
it actually has no relevance whatsoever to the point at hand.  

The study does *NOT* measure the force transmitted through the pedals,
yet, somehow, Eric concludes that the study proves real cycling shoes
and pedals transmit force no more efficiently than tennis shoes on
rubber pedals.  Sigh....

For a serious cyclist (with some common sense) doing long, fast rides 
or races (50-100 miles at 20-30mph), it doesn't take a goddamned study to
show that hard-soled, clipless pedal/shoe systems are vastly superior
to tennis shoes on rubber pedals, for both efficiency and comfort.  

Keith Erskine 
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From: boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
Subject: Re: The Tao of falling off a bike
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:41:34 GMT

In article <vs+p03l.tomk@netcom.com> Thomas H. Kunich writes:
>In article <BvCKIw.Bup@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> mark3@dcs.gla.ac.uk writes:
>>A current thread is that how you react to an accident can be affected by
>>the attitudes toward physical attack that are instilled by martial arts.
>>
>>        A drunken [Tao deleted] ...
>
>Well, my martial arts training certainly has taught me how to fall.
>But the problem is that the really dangerous accidents generally happen
>in such a manner that you don't have time to react in a positive way.
>Often you don't even know that the accident has happened until afterwards.
>
>No amount of training can compensate for the inability to react as
>fast as traffic accidents occur.

Your point about have little or no reaction time in some accidents is well
taken.  There simply isn't enough time to "think out" the best course of 
action.

However, I think the point of the Tao described in the first article is 
that "accepting the inevitable," or remaining relaxed, or remaining 
"positive" - whatever you want to call it - during a crash can sometimes
make the difference.  I want to emphasize "sometimes," because obviously 
in some cases no amount of "positive vibrations" are going to make a 
difference.  It's just that "freezing up," panicking, or however you want to
characterize non-positive reactions is almost always the worst that one
can do in such situations.  Also, these types of reactions are often the
primary reason bad situations become much worse ...

	--John
From: ROCKY@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Rocky Essex - University of Florida)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Bicyclist Dies in Accident
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:15:19 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <1992Sep24.073913.23269@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz) writes:
 
>Subject: Cyclist dies in accident
>
>        GAINESVILLE, Fla. (UPI) -- A member of the University of Florida's
>bicycling team has died in a collision with a van on U.S. 441 while
>training for a race.
>        The Florida Highway Patrol said Tom Hayes, 24, was riding his bicycle
>in the northbound lane across Paynes Prairie when a van driven by Norm
>La Coe, 60, swerved into the bicycle lane and hit him at about 4:20 p.m.
>        Trooper Dan Campbell said La Coe had looked down at the van's
>temperature gauge because the van had been overheating and did not see
>Hayes. Campbell said La Coe was charged with careless driving.
>        Other members of Team Florida who also were in training arrived at
stuff deleted
*****
PLEASE NOTE:  Tom Hayes was riding in the BIKE LANE going north on 441 when the
motorist swerved from his lane into THE BIKE LANE and hit him.  These bike
lanes are fairly wide and visibility for both motorists and cyclists is ex-
cellent as this stretch (Prairie Jam as it is called) is flat and open.  I've
ridden them many times -- it was just a case of the MOTORIST not paying
attention to his surroundings.  For more about this tragic accident see
REC.BICYCLES.SOC.
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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: : Cycling with broken toe.
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:46:44 GMT

I just went through the pain of a broken toe...it was nearly three weeks
before I could grit my teeth and pull on a pair of Didoros. My doctor
encouraged me to walk, though, which I did in my Birkenstocks, and I did
find that I could pedal my MTB in my Birkies as well. I just couldn't
wear narrow biking shoes.
      --mike
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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Road bikes in the winter.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:09:10 GMT

perley@trub.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.210147.12950@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>   30 or 40 degrees, you call that winter, Hah! We call that the first
>   day of fall here in Massachusetts! Yes, we are already experiencing
>   those temps right here. I thought it got pretty cold in Illinois, but
>   I guess not...
>Indeed.  The first 50 miles of the double century I did a couple
>of weeks ago were at 40 deg or less.  The extra clothing comprised
>a long sleeve jersey over t-shirt, tights over shorts (my tights aren't
>padded :-O), and a cycle cap under the helmet.  
It gets much colder than that in Illinois.  That's just the coldest temp I'm
willing to ride the road bike in.  Anyway its not so much the cold as the wind
blowing across the cornfields.
-Terry
From: RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:35:23 GMT
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark

In article <1992Sep28.143414.15731@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:
 
>
>
>When I advocate bike commuting around here (in Illinois, USA), one of the
>things people seem to worry about is "how do I take a shower after I ride
>to the office?".  Well, we do have limited shower facilities here, but I've
>never used it since I have never found it necessary.  By dressing properly
>for the weather and allowing a cool-down portion towards the end of my ride,
>I can usualy arrive without being drenched in perspiration.  Perhaps I'm just
>lucky that I don't sweat as much as most people, but I suspect in many parts
>of the world, especailly the developing countries where bikes outnumber cars,
>showering is not even an option for bike commuters.
>
>So, my question to those who live in other parts of the world: do you find
>showering facilities a big issue in bike commuting?  Is that more important
>than, say, better parking facilities and safer routes?
>==
>Peter Chen
>pwyc@ihspa.att.com
 
I sweat like a horse... and my commute varies from 16 miles to 24 miles one
way, so I'm thankful that Lexmark has ample (at least in my building) shower
and locker facilities, 'cause without a shower after my ride I'd probably get
kicked out of the office.  Even this morning, 46 degrees, with only shorts,
tights and a CoolMax jersey and Dri-Sox I was drenched.  Sponge-baths just
smear the sweat around... if there weren't adequate shower facilities, I
simply wouldn't commute by bike.  The terrain around here is mixed, mostly
rolling hills.
 
My 2 cents worth...
 
 
 
Randy O'Neal  RONEAL@lexmark.com     Printer Attach Software Development
                                     Lexmark International, Inc.
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 programmers wrote programs, then                                     __o
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:29:20 EDT
From: Chad Burkins <CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Developing riding technique

In article <oc&vH+g&?9@atlantis.psu.edu>, donadio@wilbur.psu.edu (Beaker) says:
>
>Are there any excercises or good books out there to help develop
>proper riding technique?  Right now I seem to be having trouble
>peddling in a circular motion.  I can't seem to tell if I am
>peddling up and down or in a circle.  I have clippless peddles and
>access to rollers (with a stand) if it matters any.
>
>--

Translation: I keep falling off those damn rollers !!!!!

(by the way, I'm his roomate, I was almost killed several times
 when he nose-dived for the floor =)

-Chad
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Tandem syndrome strikes again
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:23:23 GMT

Yesterday I got my first ride on the front of my son's new Counterpoint
tandem and thoroughly enjoyed it, while thoroughly exhausting myself.
We began by descending from his home on Saddle Mountain.  The hydraulic
brakes worked well, but we nearly lost it on the first turn because
there wasn't enough air in the front tire to support me.  (His wife
normally rides up front and she weighs less than half as much as I).

After adding air and completing the descent, we found that the rims
were blazing hot -- well above the boiling point of sweat.  My son
mentally added our weights and observed that we were more than 100
pounds over the rated capacity of the Counterpoint.  Oh well, press on!

We proceeded around "The Loop" near Stanford University, encountered
the usual bunch of amiable cyclists, and had just one flat along the way.
The Counterpoint's peculiar configuration, with the recumbent stoker
in front, certainly draws attention from both cyclists and motorheads.
In fact, one oncoming cyclist was nearly clobbered by a car coming out
of a side street whose driver was apparently watching us instead of the
other cross traffic.

Unfortunately, both my son and I succumbed to what I call "tandem
syndrome," in which each rider pedals ever more furiously so as to
ensure that he is doing his share.  By the end of the ride we were
quite depleted.

I've experienced tandem syndrome before but only when riding with
strong riders, where I can feel the force of their efforts.  It seems
to be a macho guy thing.  One of my earlier tandeming partners who did
it to me also got me into a hiking "competition" when we crossed the
Sierra Nevada Mountains in record time with the result that I
literally tore a sole off my boot and he ruined a knee.

My son and I are thinking about riding his tandem down the California
Coast to San Diego sometime, but we will have to find a way to avoid
tandem syndrome.  I'm also worried about how to dissipate the heat of
braking on some of the long descents in Big Sur.

--
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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
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From: tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas)
Subject: Re: The Tao of falling off a bike
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:23:29 GMT

boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone) writes:

>However, I think the point of the Tao described in the first article is 
>that "accepting the inevitable," or remaining relaxed, or remaining 
>"positive" - whatever you want to call it - during a crash can sometimes
>make the difference.  I want to emphasize "sometimes," because obviously 
>in some cases no amount of "positive vibrations" are going to make a 
>difference.  It's just that "freezing up," panicking, or however you want to
>characterize non-positive reactions is almost always the worst that one
>can do in such situations.  Also, these types of reactions are often the
>primary reason bad situations become much worse ...

No need to postulate the existence of "positive vibrations" or other Tao
ideas.  The reason a drunk person is more likely to survive a crash is
simply that his/her muscles don't tense up.  That allows the body to react
more fluidly to the impact and spread out the load better.  If the body
is rigid and the musles tense, you can get all kinds of muscle/tendon/
ligament tears, and even bone breakage, that otherwise wouldn't occur.

There was a study done which researched the injuries recieved by cats
falling out of windows, trees, etc.  (Not on purpose, of course, the
data was all collected from accidental falls.)  The data had an odd
characteristic to it, in that the worst injuries were recieved in falls
from _lower_ heights.  Beyond this "danger" zone, the injuries were less
severe.  Now, when a cat falls, it tenses up; but once it reaches terminal
velocity, it relaxes because it doesn't feel the sensation of falling
anymore.  It turned out that the end of the "danger" zone corresponded
to the minimum height required to reach terminal velocity before impact.
In other words, the cats which fell from higher heights had time to relax
their bodies before impact, and this was why their injuries weren't so
severe.
-- 
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: The Tao of falling off a bike
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:29:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BvCKIw.Bup@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> mark3@dcs.gla.ac.uk writes:
>A current thread is that how you react to an accident can be affected by
>the attitudes toward physical attack that are instilled by martial arts.
>
>        A drunken man who falls out of a cart, though he may suffer, does  
>        not die. His bones are the same as other people's; but he meets 
>        the accident in a different way. His spirit is in a condition of 
>        security. He is not concious of riding in the cart; neither is he
>        concious of falling out of it. Ideas of life, death, fear etc.,
>        cannot penetrate his breast; and so he does not suffer from
>        contact with objective existences. And if such security is to be
>        got from wine, how much more is to be got from sponteneity.

Well, my martial arts training certainly has taught me how to fall.
But the problem is that the really dangerous accidents generally happen
in such a manner that you don't have time to react in a positive way.
Often you don't even know that the accident has happened until afterwards.

No amount of training can compensate for the inability to react as
fast as traffic accidents occur.
From: Chilero@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Chilero)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: "HI-TECH"
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 11:55:34 -0500

I'm all for technical goodies on your bike, what with geekbars,
Camelbaks,bent-forward seatposts, etc.
BUT! The first person I see riding along on his/her bike , yakking on a cellular
phone is gonna get ROOSTED!!!!!!!

 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88)
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Road bikes in the winter.
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:29:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Oct2.140400.21296@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:
>>Yes, it is an overkill for over 30. You should probably wear some light
>>headband (for the ears) and that's about it (for the head).
>>Javier.
>
>I have to agree I rode in this morning (50F) and found that I needed to
>remove the mask. Actually it kept fogging my glasses because the mouth holes
>weren't big enough to breath through.

I'll agree that a neoprene mask is overkill above 30 F. As for those little
holes, take a scissors and cut out a mouth hole. You can breathe better, you
can drink with the mask on, and you can spit with the mask on. I've been out
in sub 0F weather with this arrangement and the mask still works fine. Maybe
a little better since it absorbs less moisture from your breath.
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From: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Subject: Re: Tandem syndrome strikes again
Reply-To: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:07:43 GMT

>>. . ..
>>Tandem syndrome stuff deleted--
>>
>
>Somebody please tell this to my wife!  There are time that I swear she is
>not pedaling.  It would be really bad with a Counterpoint although I would
>be able to see her coasting.
>
>One time a few years ago when we first got our tandem we were going up a
>long, moderately steep hill.  I was getting winded and started to think
>about "bailing out."  I said "get ready to unclip; we are going to stop."
>She said, "Oh, I could push a lot harder."  It was no problem after that..
>Now she just listens to my level of panting.  8-)
>
>Ron Friedel
>
>-- 
>Ron Friedel
>GeoSciences  UW-Milwaukee
>rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
>

I found the same thing. Our old, heavy, tandem (with panniers) actually
was easier for me to pedal  *without* my girlfriend on the bike....

Douglas
From: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:03:06 GMT
Reply-To: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.misc, shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
!Headphones with noise coming through them is dangerous to the using
!cyclist and all those around them.  Auditory signals from the
!sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
I positively agree Sam, I'd even expand this to include the yutz
rollerbladers weaving side to side on the "bike" trail, oblivious
to the 'cycler's "excuse me, on your left, EXCUSE ME!!!!".

Glad to get that off my chest.
Bill O
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From: frankw@rice.edu (Frank Whitby)
Subject: Immaculate GT Avalanche For Sale
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:21:15 GMT


October 10, 1992
Frank Whitby
Houston TX
frankw@rice.edu

Immaculate GT Avalanche For Sale

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