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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG music trax suck
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:28:51 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan11.222413.26208@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
>
>Can you tell me how you know that Goldsmith did the DS9 music?  I was
>looking for the music credit from the DS9 premiere, but I never saw
>it.  I figured it was some freelance work, and having done some of my
>own (in computers, not TV music) I know just _how_much_ credit one
>gets for things like that: none.


Dennis McCarthy is credited for the music in the credits after the
main title openning.  I didn't see a separate credit for the theme,
although their had been rumors that Jerry Goldsmith was contracted
to do the theme for DS9.

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From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 was very very BAD :(
Keywords: bad
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:14:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: a2i network

noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White) writes:

>    I saw the DS9 premier yesterday and to make a long story short, it 
sucked. It
.... and Noah digs himself in deeper & deeper and ramples and nonsenses...

they >have no comprension of death. Also if these aliens are in a non-linear 
dimension (in
>terms of time) it would be impossible for them to coexist with a creature 
from a linear
>time dimension. It would be sort of like us being able to see a _true_ 2 
dimentional
>object. There are no such things as all matter as we know it exists in 3 
dimensions.

This guy's an expert in 1 thing: being incompentent and willing to
sign his name to such illogic!  Grow up Noah!

>                

>-- 
>Noah White                                       Internet: 
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>CAE/CAD Lab Staff & USENET Administrator
>Georgia Institute of Technology
>"Wheel in the sky keeps on turin. Oh I don't know where I'll be tomarrow."
 
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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:57:33 GMT

jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie) writes:

>          Actually, the ships don't need to lower *all* their shields to
>transport... Just the one in the direction they wish to be transported in.
>That's why they could do it, Geordie and Scotty just lowered the bow
>shields... kinda explains why there wasn't two explosions from the 
>photorps... they didn't have to knock out the shields before destroying
>the ship.

How about big E's shields (the ones supposedly protecting them from the
dying star)?

And then the small ship would have had to have all shields up anyway, or 
else the ship would have likely spun about like a bar magnet between two
fields.  (How do the shields supposedly *work* anyway?)

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From: denisf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Denis Fafard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:VII ... It's Official!
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 21:22:25 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

cs_d613@ceres (The Magpie) writes:

- I don't know whether this has been bouncing around the net in the weeks that
- I've been off for Chrimbo, but on Saturday, on a British television programme
- called Going Live (You US chaps and chappesses probably won't know it), they
- had George Takei (Sulu) on for an interview.
- 
- In the small amount of time that he was on, he briefly announced (exclusivly)
- that Star Trek 7 was _definiately_ going to happen.
- 

  Yup, it's been bouncing around.  Last Sept when the Creations Star 
 Trek convention came to town, Marina Sirtis, among others, said that
 ST VII was a definite go. No actors were announced, although it was
 said that this would be the final one, a crossover movie from TOS to
 TNG.  

Denis Fafard              denisf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: 15 Re: Lurking plot complication in DS9
Reply-To: bill@west.msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:25:33 GMT

S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu wrote:
: >I'm not so sure that this is correct.  If you remember, in the TNG episode
: >with trill, the reason he didn't want to be transported was because he was
: >hurt, and in this *weakened* condition, transport would be harmful to the
: >worm.  I don't think it hurts the worm if you transport when they are in
: >good health.
: >
: >Sanjai Rao.
: 
: Actually, I think the problem is that the biofilter would determine
: the worm to be a parasite and eliminate it as such....

This was never said in the TNG episode.  Perhaps you read it somewhere in
a TNG novel?

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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther)
Subject: Final Word on DS9 on WGN-Chicago
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:03:51 GMT

Distribution set to 'world' so that those in other countries with satellite
dishes may be advised.

I (finally) placed a phone call to WGN's programming department in scenic
Chicago, Illinois.  I have learned...

1) DSN will be shown on Chicago-area cable outlets, as well as over the air
   (Channel 9)

2) DSN will not be uplinked to WGN's satellite feed.  Period.  Their agreement
   with Paramount specifically states that this must be so.

3) DSN will be subject to the usual programming delays--Cub games, Sox games,
   Bulls, etc...  I could not get any definitive word on whether or not
   episodes entirely pre-empted (e.g. 7:00 games) would be shown later or not
   at all.

Of course, if 'GN's TV side works anything like its radio side, this information
may or may not be totally inaccurate...  but it is the best I could find.

-- 
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From: kenw@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Ken Wieschhoff 253-1973)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Eastman Kodak
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 13:22:10 GMT

Shots each time the shape shifter (Rene Auborjois) complains he doesn't
know where he came from. :)
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From: domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nathan Kane)
Subject: Re: Where's the Borg?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:00:51 GMT

This is the deal (as I heard it) about the Borg --

The return of the cubic creatures was meant to occur at the end of that
Romulan episode... the Borg were supposed to be coming from that end.

However some disputes among the ST personnel delayed the storyline which
became "The Best of Both Worlds" until the end of the third season.

I would imagine they decided to leave the 'scooped colonies' footage for
two reasons.

(1) They didn't want to reshoot

(2) It would give a good 'hindsight' observation and direction for future
    Borg-Romulan conflict stories (possibly an alliance with the Federation
    for temporary measures... now that the Cardassians are being played
    as the villains)

Just the facts, ma'am.


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From: batten@kodak.kodak.com (James Batten)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:30:45 GMT

To quote my 9 year old son... "Can we turn the channel Dad? this is pure CRAP!"
(note, that's actually pretty strong language in my sons eyes and normally 
would not even dare say such a thing infront of me... )  8^)

I find it hard to believe it will even last through the rest of Jan. As for
the "iron maiden" outfit, either they did not really show her off that much
or I wasn't paying much attention, but I only just barely saw it. There is 
something about her eyes however that was interesting... my buddy kinda liked
the hugh dimple on her chin. go figgure.

The special effects were absolutely horrible, and the sets were disgusting.
The flashlights taped to the top of their guns was a real nice touch.. I think
the BIG disaster that really turned me off was the high speed chase scene. 
Where were these peoples minds. I could tape one of those halloween light bars
to a paper airplane and make it look more realistic than this.

The only final thought I have on this entire show is that I will be REALLY 
surprised if any one calls for SPOILER warnings.
From: robinson@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:11:04 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <ewright.726425554@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> In <C0H4pB.CM2@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:
> 
> The US Navy already has program and a name for such Captains-in-training.
> It's called "Executive Officer."  Sound familiar?
> 
> Hint: it's the job Riker's filled for the last five years.
> 
Nah.  Remember, this is Star Trek, where anything can happen, the lamer
the better.

Now if you want something worse than Riker taking over, how about having
the Excelsior come shooting out of DSN's wormhole?  Why, with all that
time in rank, Captain Sulu would be the senior captain in Star Fleet so
who else could they give the Enterprise to?
  
Jeez, this one's so bad, it'll probably turn up next season.  ;-)
-- 
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From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Counselor in Uniform
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:03:19 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

rakesh.r.patel (rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com) wrote:
: 
: 
: 
: I think Counseler Troi should always be in that blue uniform. Not for nothing,
: I think she looks MUCH better in the uniform than that purple outfit.
: 
: 
: Rakesh Patel

I do not think that the counselor likes to wear her uniform more often,
because, as a counselor, she must make most of the crew feel comfortable.
She wants them to feel like they are talking to a friend, and not just 
another counselor.  I don't know about you, but I would feel much more 
comfortable talking to a friend in ordinary clothing, rather than a 
friend in a uniform
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E II
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:44:26 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <890091b.34.726241029@axe.acadiau.ca> 890091b@axe.acadiau.ca (HEIDI JILL BURKHOLDER) writes:

>>I know there have also been plenty of men shown as idiots on the show, but
>>I'm trying to remember when a woman was portrayed as *REALLY SMART* or
>>competent or a good female role model.  Can anyone help me with this?

>	Do you watch the show? I think that having a woman design the ship's 
>engine system and that having a woman in charge of security are two 
>excellent examples of female role models. Then there is Dr. Krusher who can 
>heal anything and her entire medical team (or so it would appear) of women.
>I  don't feel excluded and don't understand why you do.

Let's not forget that the show has portrayed many ADMIRALS as women.
One of them was even BLACK.

The show very very clearly makes the point that women have made it in the
24th century.


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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:21:18 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell):
>But, now that you mention it, the replacement Trill host of "The Host" seemed
>not too happy to be there.  (Or maybe it was supposed to be stoic resignation,
>or zombielike lack of intelligence ... this is getting chilling.)

I think it was lack of intelligence.  It doesn't take intelligence to
smile...
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:VII ... It's Official!
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:31:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
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In a previous article, denisf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Denis Fafard) says:

>  No actors were announced, although it was said that this would be the
> final one, a crossover movie from TOS to TNG.  

Hmm.  Didn't they say precisely that about ST VI?  :-)

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: CoC was CHEAP
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:37:49 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan2.140226.1@pearl.tufts.edu> rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu writes:



>Well, Jellico ordered **500** mines, but there were only about ten cylinders
>in the shuttle (I didn't count, so that's "ten plus or minus five" :-) ).

Perhaps the Shuttle made several trips or the Enterprise transported
additional mines over to the Shuttle.

Or the props department has trouble with arithmetic. :-)
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: rec.arts.startrek.review?
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:06:57 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <12JAN93.23324287.0107@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA (CXMP000) writes:
[on a moderated rec.arts.startrek.reviews]
>It would be unthinkable to have a moderator on a group where opinions
>are being posted.

Why?  A moderator's job isn't to play thought police.  A moderator's job
(at least as I understand it) is to keep off-topic traffic out of the
group.

I suppose in the case of rec.humor.funny, the charter of the newsgroup
includes the fact that the moderator plays editor too.  But I don't think
we really need to have rec.arts.startrek.reviews.that.the.moderator.likes.

Do we?

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From: herd@cc.lut.fi (Markku Herd)
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:18:22 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

  A bit before Christmas, that cute MTV announcer girl mentioned that
the ST:VII movie is to be made, and that Kirk actually kills
_Doctor_Spock_ in it!
  I can see it... 'Those damned kids don't respect us veterans at all! It's
all because of this "free upbringing" (sic) thing! Let's timewarp back to
the 1900's and get rid of it!!! *cough, cough*' 

:) :) :)

- Markku Herd ( herd@lut.fi )
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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Re: TNG music trax suck
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:58:16 GMT

In article <gfFw9Be00YUnQ_6WMe@andrew.cmu.edu> jt2n+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Trivelli) writes:
>
>who the hell writes the background music for TNG?
>recently, i bought a tape with tracks from 2 episodes of TOS...
>Amok Time and The Doomsday Machine. the music was outstanding.
>It was so much more interesting and powerful than anything i've
>ever heard on TNG... and so much more memorable too!  i cant
>remember anything they use on TNG except for that opening track...
>which i also do not like. I think the show needs to have a
>much more interesting... perhaps more SCI-FI sounding, if you will,
>treament of background and incidental music. The stuff they use now
>could be used on any damn prime-time show. What?!?! do they think
>they're being more sophisticated by using such passive music.  Eventhough
>background music is just that... background music... i think it
>needs to stand on its own.
>anyway... i guess what i'm talking about is a symptom of a much
>larger problem... that is, Next Generation lacks vision and verve.
>Sure it has its moments, but on the whole i get the feeling that
>the wrong people are in control of this show.
>
>J
> T
>
>anyone out there agree with this?

Absolutely.  I agree with you 100%.  Today I watched TOS: Balance of Terror
and the past week I watched 'Space Seed" and the music was excellent.
But I cannot remember any good TNG music at all.  I think the music directors
should be ashamed.  I also think that James Horner is a better composer than
Jerry Goldsmith.  Jerry Goldsmith did the music for ST:TMP and the theme
music for both TNG and DSN.  James Horner did the music for ST:TWOK and
ST:TSFS.  Horner's music was very effective in bringing out the emotion in
the movies.

Siva

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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:26:58 GMT

regarding the "Shields what shields?" question:
	Remeber that we just modified the shields to create the subspace 
envelope that allowed them to move the station....most likely what pathetic
shield generators they had online were still slaved to this function, so
they got real busy in that alloted hour and were able to get a few of em online

I caught this right off and would have been pissed if we suddenly had the
shields back online when it was convienent.

-- 
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of enchantment, and the best deals this side of the river Jordan, come on down"
From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 02:17:47 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

2186filterj@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:

> In article <C04roL.92E@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad B
> >In article <1992Dec29.150250.8316@midway.uchicago.edu> lidz@midway.uchicago.
> >>If you look CAREFULLY at the Wolf-359 wrekage there is ONE galaxy-class hul
> >
> >And to further canonnize it, watch closely in the teaser of the Deep Space
> >Nine premier.  One of the ships attacking the Borg (with Locutus in command)
> >is a Galaxy class starship.
> >
> >-- 
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >|  Brad Barton - brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org  |  "Light the lamp, not the rat!"
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> While I find it quite possible that a Galaxy could have been at Wolf 359
> (Although...since the Enterprize was theoretically in range, it would be quit
> foreign to the writers to have two Galaxy classes within 10 days of each
> other :) I remember at least one one other episode (sorry I can't think of th
> name) when an Ambassor class ship or a modified ambassador was next to the
> Enterprize.  It was pretty close to a spitting image except only about 3/4 as
> big.  Wasn't the Enterprize-C an ambassador Class? 
> 
> Then again, maybe they just needed to get an extra model in the battle.  In
> that case, the Yomato has a sister ship in the heavenly fleet with her.
> 
> -Jon

The only ships I saw attacking the cube were a modified Miranda, a 
Nebula, an Ambassador and an Excelsior (which got smeared). There was the 
hulk of a destroyed vessel visisble briefly. Also, in Sisko's quarters 
you can see an Oberth get hit through the windows. Starfleet must have 
been real desperate to send a research/science vessel into the battle.

........
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via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
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From: jhildebr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: DS9 in Philadelphia
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 05:52:40 GMT

In article <elkins.726383041@eplrx7.es.dupont.com> elkins@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Rob Elkins) writes:
>I heard the show starts on the 18th (8-9) on fox 29.

	Not quite. The usual time is Mondays from 8-9 with repeats on Saturday
from 7-8 (TNG moves to 6-7). However next week the premiere of The Untouchables
is on Monday, so they only have the Saturday showing.

--
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: DS9 - in San Jose (bay area) - Where ??? When ???
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:52:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.205655.970@novell.com>, chey@novell.com (Cindy Hey) writes:
|> Could someone please e-mail me when DS9 will be on here in San Jose and
|> on what channel?  I haven't had much luck finding out.  Thanks.

   I think it premiere's tonight (Monday the 4th) on Fox (44) at
8 pm.  This is not a definite since I have yet to sneak a peek at
a local TV guide.  But it could be as early as tonight, so go to
your nearest Safeway and thumb through a TV guide to find out.

-- Tim
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