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From: krusty.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: keeping ack trash-free
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:10:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: krusty.caltech.edu
Originator: sathi@krusty

	After reading Ajit's posting, I think it might be a good
idea if we all send him e-mail. We can deluge his account with letters  
from every one of us, including silent ackers who feel the same way.
That way, we can tell him that none of us want his digest.
	I don't know if all us (ALL OF US) agree on this. I haven't
heard a single voice of dissent so far.

	If we do agree on all of us sending him e-mail, we must not
appear derogatory in any one of the letters (i.e. do not start a flame
war). So we must be polite, but firm. Body of the letter must include 
points to the effect: Ack charter may not include  each and every subject 
to be written about. But we are not children. We exercise our judgement,
common sense and a sense of decency. And we don't think he is a child  
either. And we must say that alt.hinduism is available for his use for
such purposes.
	
	To make sure that all points are included, and that no flame war
is started, one of us could write an open letter in ack. And those who
want to, may copy that to file, and send the file to the author of
Hindu digest by e-mail.

	In the meantime, could someone send me Raj Bhatnagar's e-mail
address? I assume he is the author of the digest. Please send the
address by e-mail to sathi@cco.caltech.edu. Thanks in advance.

TATA!
Sateesh
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		| Sateesh Pillai			
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who am I?	| Pasadena, CA 91125
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From: RENJIT_D1@blrv1.verifone.com (RENJIT DARWIN)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: HELLO EVERYBODY.........!
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:20:18 -0600
Organization: VeriFone
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:37:19 BLR

All,
    Hello everyone of ack netters...! For a change, let me say 'Good day'
to you from INDIA (though not from Kerala!).
    Well.....let me introduce myself.
    NAME   : Renjit Darwin
    DOB    : Sept 19, 1967
    Born and brought up in Thiruvananthapuram. Now I am working with
    VERIFONE SOFTWARE SYSTEMS, Bangalore.
    My E-mail address is "Renjit_d1@blrv1.verifone.com"
    HOBBIES : Reading, Games, Movies, Travelling.

Well, I was going thru' ack postings and found that there are malayalees
in almost all corners of the world. Well, I guess I am the only one posting
from INDIA..!

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     | WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS 1993 FROM INDIA..........!|
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 Warm Regards / Renjit
From: ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Prathapan Sreedharan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: EDAA BHARTHAVE
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:24:22 GMT
Organization: Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This is in response to Anna G's posting "what shall i call him"

Here is a typical example of the pitfalls of facing an issue on a purely
theoretical basis without any concern for the practical problems.

For argument's sake let us assume that Anna has two brothers.  One much
younger and the other much older.  How will Anna respond to their
calling her "Edee Annakkutty"? 

Prathapan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: The Hindu Digest
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:56:57 GMT

In article <9212301932.AA29237@eng.auburn.edu> aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair) writes:

>----- Begin Included Message -----
...
>nothing in Hindu Digest is contarary to the charter of
>ack (I have read this charter several times to see if 
...
>Moderator, Hindu Digest

Is it possible to alter the charter once a newsgroup is established?

Mahesh.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: merry christmas
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Wonko, the sane)
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:01:38 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

merry christmas and a happy new year to every one.

wonko, the sane

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: raj@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Hindu Digest etc.
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Distribution: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:08:55 GMT


Hello Everybody!

I don't read a.c.k. and was informed by somebody that my name is
being dragged through a.c.k. and I should look there. And I see
now what is happening.

A few points :

1. Hindu-Digest is not authored by me.
2. Hindu-Digest is edited by a group of 5-6 different people, taking
   turns. 
3. My machine, which my univ has named rbhatnagar despite my not liking 
   sharing my name with a machine, has an account named editor at which
   the edited copy of the Hindu Digest arrives and is then sent to all
   those people/addresses that are maintained in a listserver at a node
   in Arizona. (BTW, I am in Ohio)
4. And all correspondence that has been exchanged with the account on
   machine named rbhatnagar has not been exchanged with me, but with
   some other editor of the digest.

I hope it clarifies some things.

Now, I think it is motivated by personal biases of some that they 
express such strong disagreement with the views of Dr. Kak and also 
with the title Hindu Digest no matter what may be contained in it.

Dr. Kak's article represented his views and any views are
"propaganda" for those who disagree with those views. Is it right
to stop all the dissenting view from appearing? I don't think so.
But if seeing Dr Kak's article or HIndu Digest on a.c.k. makes the 
days worthless and nights sleepless fro many ack readers then I will
talk to the Digest editors about it's appearance on ack whenever I next
communicate with them.


Happy acking to all you guys/gals...
And hopefully you can resume your regularly scheduled program now.


---raj






Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: thomman@joseph.me.uiuc.edu (Thomas Jolly)
Subject: A new Multisystem VCR
Organization: Control Systems Design and Applications Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:15:05 GMT

	For those of you who still have some of the Green Stuff left over after
the recent spending binge, I have details on a product that might prove to be
interesting.
	Converting PAL to NTSC or vice versa is generally expensive (upwards of
$20 per tape) and the picture quality leaves much to be desired. AIWA has a new 
VCR that incorporates a digital standards converter. Here are some of the 
salient features. (Source: VIDEO Magazine, Jan '93, p13). My comments appear in
paranthesis.

NAME: Aiwa MG360 Multistandard VHS VCR

PRICE: List $600 (could get it cheaper through mail order)

TAPE FORMAT & SPEED: VHS, SP (a drawback; it doesn't have LP & EP speeds)

REMOTE CONTROL: Has most features one comes to expect. (a drawback; it doesn't
	have on-screen programming, thereby requiring one to go up close and 
	mess with some of those reeeally tiny buttons normally found on VCRs)

CAN PLAY TAPES RECORDED IN: PAL, NTSC 3.58 (US, Japan, etc.), NTSC 4.43, SECAM

OUTPUT SIGNAL: For tapes recorded in PAL or NTSC (both 3.58 & 4.43), the output
	may be chosen to be either PAL or NTSC (in full, glorious, color). For
	tapes recorded in SECAM, the output may be either PAL or NTSC (but in
	Black & White). 

TUNER: Capable of tuning in most cable channels without using the "cable box"
	(a drawback is that the tuner and antenna output are compatible only 
	with NTSC 3.58, which means you can't take it to India and record your
	favorite Doordarshan program off the air)

OTHER ABSENT FEATURES: Doesn't have the following: stereo hi-fi audio,
 	slow-mo, audio & video dub etc.

COMMENTS: This VCR precludes the need for a multisystem TV; just slip in 
	your PAL copy of "Chemmeen" or "Avalude Raavukal", flip the output 
	switch to NTSC, sit back in your La-zy-boy, and enjoy. If your mallu 
	friend wants to have his/her own copy of "Chemmeen" in NTSC, you can 
	flip the output switch to NTSC, connect it to a second NTSC VCR, and
	record. In fact, you could start your own digital converting business....

	No, I do not endorse AIWA products; in fact, I own no AIWA product. 

	
	-  Thomman

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If you are not part of the solution,
	then you are part of the precipitate

					- Thomman
					  circa 1990
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From: sathi@cco.caltech.edu (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Ill-humor:-) Usenet in Indian villages
Date: 2 Jan 1993 19:52:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: coil.caltech.edu

Interesting article Bijoy! But you forget one very 
important thing concerning India: what happens 
when you are responding to a matrimonial add
an the power goes out? This may result in you not
getting the person you want to marry!!!

	And if important pieces of information are lost
during power cuts, it may result in loss of information
leading to worse riots!  Ramu ki Maa may think that
the Kerala Chechi does not respond because she is
going out with her neighbor's husband. When in fact, 
Chechi is experiencing a perennial "load shedding".

	Unless the power-cuts throughout the country 
are synchronised, usenet in India may have it's dangers.


TATA!
Sateesh
-- 
		| Sateesh Pillai			
		| 128-95, Caltech
who am I?	| Pasadena, CA 91125
		| (818) 564-1225
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: New newsgroup proposal : alt.culture.bengali
Date: 26 Dec 1992 16:43:41 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



************************************************************************
This proposal is concurrently and simultaneously posted in alt.config
soc.culture.indian soc.culture.bangladesh and alt.culture.kerala
***********************************************************************

I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called alt.culture.bengali.
This newsgroup is intented to be a place to discuss Bengali language,
literature and other aspects of Bengali culture.

Why another newsgroup?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bengali is a language spoken by the inhabitants of Bangladesh and three states
of India, namely Assam, Tripura and West Bengal. Soc.culture.bangladesh as
it currently exists, is a newsgroup for discussing the national concerns of
the population of Bangladesh and is not devoted to the discussion of Bengali
culture. Soc.culture.indian is another newsgroup which concerns the cultural
needs of all the Indians, but does not adequately represent the individual
needs of every Indian language/culture. A precedent of alt.culture.bengali
can be cited in the creation of alt.culture.kerala, alt.culture.andhra and soc.
culture.tamil, which were discussed to discuss the various aspects of the culture of those states. 

Why alt. heirarchy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

While I have enough indication for the interest in this group, at this stage
I am cautious enough to propose the group in the alt. heirarchy. If the
popularity demands otherwise, I will be willing to go through the pains of
establishing a soc. heirarchy for the newsgroup. Also, since this newsgroup
is mainly to  discuss the aspect of the language more than the culture,
the alt. heirarchy is more appropriate than soc. heirarchy.

Draft charter of the newsgroup
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This new newsgroup is mainly intented to discuss:
(a) The structure and construction of Bengali language
(b) growth of Bengali language in post-independent India
(c) The literature of Bengali people
(d) The men of letters.
(e) Bengali language and transliteration.
(f) Dialects, deviants and schools within the language.
(g) Other art media that use Bengali language.
(h) Bengali cultural institutions
(i) Politics of power and the language.
(j) Any other topic of relative merit and interest.


I hope I will receive a favorable response.

- Bijoy Sagar

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From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Parallel proverbs
Date: 26 Dec 1992 12:25:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


[2] Tamil: ciRu thuLi peru veLLam
    English: Little drops of water make a mighty ocean.
    Hindi: boond boond karkE talaav bharta hai.
    Malayalam:pala thuLi peru veLam



[3] Tamil:  orE kallil reNdu maankaay.
    Hindi:  Ek panth, dO kaarya.
    English: To kill two birds in one stone.
    Malayalam:oru vedikku randu pakshi


Ajit Nair
From: eswaran3372@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Parallel proverbs
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:52:29 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec26.055837.3281@news.ysu.edu>, ah724@yfn.ysu.edu
(Sundara Pandian) writes:

I tried to add something to this a couple of days ago when this article 
was new. But, unfortunaely, our stupid network wen down and my posting 
misteriously disappeared. Any way I am, now, trying again.


> [2] Tamil: ciRu thuLi peru veLLam
>     English: Little drops of water make a mighty ocean.
>     Hindi: boond boond karkE talaav bharta hai.

Another english expression for this would be this: Many a little makes
a mickle.


> [5] Tamil: mannan evvazhi, makkaL avvazhi.
>     Hindi: jaisaa raja, vaisa prajaa.
>     Marati: jasa raja tashi prajaa

It seems to me that the English people apply a reverse (perverse?)
logic for this saying. They say "People get the rulers whom they deserve"

> [7] English: To make a mountain of a molehill
>     Hindi: Raai ka pahad banana
>     Marati: Raai cha parvat banaone
> 
      Malayalam: 'Chu' Ennu paranjal 'Chundanga' Ennaakkuka
> 
> [8] English: As you sow, as you reap
>     Hindi: Jo karega so bharega
>     Marati: Jasey peravey tasey oogavtey
>     Tamil: vidhai vidhaiththaan, thinai aRuppaan.
      
      Malayalam: Vithachchavan Koyyum


> [10] English: Cut your coat according to your cloth.
>      Hindi: jitni chaadar dekho, utne pair phailaao.
>      Tamil: maavukkEtha paNiyaaram.

       Malayalam: Thala MaraNNu Enna ThEkkaruthu

> 
> [12] Tamil : Nirai kudam thalumbaathu; kurai kudam thalumbum.
>      English: Empty vessels make much noise.
>      Hindi: Thotha Chana Baje Ghana.
>             Adh Jal Gagri Chhalkat jaye.
      Malayalam: Nira Kudam Thulumbilla



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From: devkumar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Devakumar Sreevijayan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: buddhists etc
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:32:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <9212211809.AA00584@vishnu.LABS.TEK.COM> vallath@vishnu.labs.tek.com (Vallath Nandakumar) writes:
>
>Also I wonder if there is a correlation between the martial
>art learning in Buddhist monasteries in China, Korea and
>Japan, and the martial art training among the Theeyars of the
>"Vadakkanpaatukal"?
>
>Just speculation on my part.
>Vallath Nandakumar

I think there are grounds for making a fairly solid connection between the
two. Indeed, upon reading your previous article I was about to reply and
talk about this possible connection. 
         The first patriarch of Zen Buddhism is the monk Bodhidharma, who
transmitted Buddhism from India (4th or 5th century, I think) to China, where
the particular doctrinal emphasis became known as Ch'an Buddhism, which later
spread to Japan and with Japanese acculturations became Zen. (Zen and Ch'an
are all corruptions of the Sanskrit 'Dhyana', meaning meditation. )
Bodhidharma, often depicted with bulging eyes (something to do with his
extreme austerities) is also, according to legend, the monk who established
the monastery at Shaolin, famous to all from latter-day Kung Fu fare.
Bodhidharma was certainly a South Indian and it is believed that he was
from Kodungalloor. It is well known that Bodhidharma and the Shaolin temple
are largely responsible for martial arts traditions in the Orient. 
                                         A documentary film on Bodhidharma
was produced last year, a joint venture of Chinese TV and either Doordarshan
or one of its independent producers. The person who played the part of 
Bodhidharma was Shashi Kumar, the bearded newsreader on Doordarshan, who 
apparently bears an uncanny resemblance to the Bodhidharma of old portraits. 
Incidentally, I remember the same article where I read about this (India Today,
maybe) mention that Shashi Kumar is also from Kodungalloor.                  
              Interesting connections all around, especially since you
mention the temple at Kodungalloor. Perhaps Kodungalloor was a Buddhist/Jain
center in the old days. Once Hinduism gained an upper hand in Kerala 
these Buddhists and Jains probably got absorbed within the Hindu setup, 
while being relegated to Avarna status for their previous religious 
inclinations, which was firmly opposed to the caste system and religion
as ritual.  


Dev

[Born Ernakulam (General Hospital, s'mattero'fact), on the dark and stormy
night of July 27 1965 at 11.13 p.m. Schooling in St. Theresa's (till Std. IV
*blush*); Rajagiri High School, Kalamasserry; Maharaja's College (PDC);
R.E.C. Calicut (B. Tech, Mech. Engg.); Larsen and Toubro, ECC Group at
FACT-Caprolactum; M.S (Mech. Engg.), University of Texas at Austin; currently
working on my Ph.D, specialising in Fault-Tolerant Control of Robotic Systems,
at the Robotics Labs, U.T. Austin. Hoping (Yes!) to graduate by mid 1994.]    
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: thekkath@june.cs.washington.edu (Chandramohan Thekkath)
Subject: Re: A Book on Kerala History
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:53:49 GMT

Another good book on Kerala history is the three-volume series by 
K.P. Padmanabha Menon called ``A History of Kerala''. Each volume is
quite thick and takes a bit of getting through. 
-- 
		    thekkath@cs.washington.edu
    {rutgers,cornell,ucsd,ubc-cs,tektronix}!uw-beaver!june!thekkath
From: eswaran3372@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: how can she call her husband?
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:13:37 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec21.171601.20783@news2.cis.umn.edu>, saptho@ee.umn.edu (Sapthotharan K Nair (grad student)) writes:
> 
> Husband calling wife by
> her name is common and implies equality.
> However, why can't a woman call her 
> husband BY HIS NAME 
> when  Kerala boasts
> such high rate of literacy and high
> social status of women? 

Kerala women have always enjoyed a remarkable freedom and it was not tied
to any form of address. (Reminds me of some peculiar practices
of polyandry and matriliny prevailed along the Malabar Coast. The men who
belonged to this noble and military caste used to called their wives by
"Edee" etc. 

Personally, I do not find anything wrong with a woman addressing her husband by
his first name. However, if this is in the name of equality, it is bull crap.
I hope literate Malayalees would understand equality does not lie in such
superfluous things.

Several years ago,
> I read in a malayalam magazine, the words
> 'swami' and 'devi' suggested by someone
> for the above purpose. But I personally
> think these are not suitable for
> all, because of the religious overtone
> in them. Does anyone have any suggestions?

You betcha. Ancient heroines used the term "Aryaputhra". Why can't we revive
our "ancient culture" (just kidding!)

> ********************************************
>    MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!
> ******************************************** 

Likewise,

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From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ***Greetings****
Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:22:38 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu


         Wish you all a Happy & Prosperous 1993


peace

-rajesh
From: kanil@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: "Happy New Year - 1993"
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:45:46 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

"Happy New Year"

           Anil Nair
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,alt.culture.karnataka
From: anandam@eng.auburn.edu (Ananda K. Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: (none)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 13:55:46 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



The letter from Bhatnagar was a welcome sign but towards the end of the letter
he had shown his crooked way of representing things.I can understand  that    he doesn't want  to take the responsibility of the article but on the other
hand he silently agrees with the views in the article even though it is not
a matter of my concern.
 
From  Bhatnagar-"I think it is motivated by personal biases...  no matter what
may be contained in it". He continues" Is it right to stop all the dissenting
view from appearing".

If he doesn't have any hand in the article then why should he take all the pain
to CLARIFY(in his language) some THOUGHT PROVOKING ideas.He not only tries to
clarify things but also adds a sarcastic flavour for his clarification.
I am sure if there weren't  this much dissent from ACKERS this Bhatnagar        wouldn't  have given a damn care for the article.
I would have definitely appreciated his reply  if he had not gone to the extent
of clarifying things.

Anyway  we have a lot of other things to write and I agree with  other Ackers
 that henceforth we should ignore these worthless articles.

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  		"My New Year Asamsakal to all Ackers alongwith Bhatnagar"

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Anand.
From: ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Prathapan Sreedharan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Merry X'mas
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:08:28 GMT
Organization: Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

To all the ACKers:

Merry X'mas and Happy New Year!!

Prathapan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala