From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:58:05 GMT

In <1992Oct2.113429.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>In article <BvI3G9.As0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:
>> 
>>>Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
>>>stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for good
>>>expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
>>>in the world and crush all the opponents!
>>>
>>>21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
>>>
>>>Let's all work for that goal!
>>>
>> 
>> I am not meant to discourage you. People in the world don't believe so.
>> The majority American believe Japan will be the best in the next century. 
>> While China will have to struggle against its own problems. The biggest
>> problem for China is communism. If China insists on communism, it will
>> become the enemy of world, therefore people in the world will try to
>> block the development of China.

>  If China will be considered as the enemy of the world just because of it's
>communism, that's ridiculous. Are you going to initiate another cold war? I do

     I agree with you on this point.  

>not mean support the communism. But as long as China do not hurt you, you do
>not have to right to consider China as your enemy! Western countries have
>tried different ways of blocking the development of China and some of them
>are still doing so. I hate to see this. But that's understandable. No country
>want others to be stronger than itself. USA do not want to see Japan become
>too strong. Japan is afraid of China's development. And again China is resent
>of USA's super power. When the eastern Germany get rid of communism and united
>into the free western Germany, USA worried a strong German much more than 
>celebrating the victory of western freedom.
> 
>> My prediction to China in next 50 years is that China will be in chaos
>> after Deng Xiaoping's death. The chaos was be caused by people's feeling
>> on Tiananmen Massacre and isolation of the world. Two possible outcomes:
>> one, communist party will be dead, China will join the world community;
>> two, China will be in civil war in which thousands of thousands of people
>> will die.

>  That's a prediction of somebody who hate China and dreams of chaos occur in
>China every day and night. He is the one "Wei2 Kong3 Tian1 Xia4 Bu4 Luan4"!

     No, I don't agree with on this point.  Prediction is prediction not
     a wish.  It isn't necessary to hate or love China.  Somehow, I saw
     this person has more love of China than hate her.  BTW, I don't want
     be a Robinhood here but I think this kind of blame is very a hurt.
     I would appreciate to see a gentllman like appology follow up.
     A healthy discussion is from mutaul respectation.

>Your predicted "two" possible outcomes. In fact is "One" outcome, "two" steps.
>First the CCP die abruptly, second chaos and civil war occur after CCP die.
>Just like what's happening in the Yugoslavia and USSR. I definitely do not want
>to see such an outcome. A more possible outcome is China will go the same path
>as Taiwan had gone: peaceful transition.
> 
>> China has its tradition of resisting changes of the world. The whole world
>> has abandoned communism except China. China is too stuburn to become
>> world leader. Besides, looking at how arrogant you guys are, no body
>> in the world will like to see China strong. If you are against the world,
>> you are in trouble, not even to mention development.

>  I do not like the idea the China become the strongest and crash down all
>opponents. But I definitely hope China to become the strongest. But not to 

     Neither did I.

>become the world leader. We already have a world leader called USA today and
>it indeed is crashing down all of it's weak opponents now. I do not want China
>to be a second such world leader to replace USA. I only want China to be
>strong enough to drag USA down from the "world leader" chair.

>  You are right that if you are against the world, you are in trouble. The USA
>is not in trouble at all. Not because the USA is not against the world, but
>because the whole world DARE NOT be against the USA.   Just look at today's
>world. When USA is abusing Iraq just like the LA police abuse the black man
>because of a minor guilty, who in the world dares to give a damn shit? Not
>even China who have the veto in the UN.

>---HAMLET