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From: an6041@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: hostile experience
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:30:01 GMT

Russ's experience scaries the willies out of me.

I don't know how well I could have handled something like that, you're
very brave to be able to face a situation like that and still be firm
in your desire to crossdress in public.

I guess it's important to be more open in public so it's good that people
are determined enough to do it (I'm not trying to assume Russ is doing a
political thing, I'm just generalizing).  Maybe if crossdressing was
more publicly acceptable I'd feel more comfortable in exploring my identity.

I'm glad to see that you are safe and sound, Russ, and that the experience
has not suppressed you.  I'm supporting you fully!  from an anon posting
in a private office, skulking around hoping no one will notice, and not
wanting to get into any heavy confrontational situations.

Good for you Russ, it sounds like you handled the situation very well.

Suzanne                   @
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an7046@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Hello
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:11:52 GMT

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I just wanted to say hello to everyone and that I am really happy to find this
group. I'm not sure what I want to say yet, but I'll post something soon. Bye!

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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Leg hair...
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:55:27 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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In article <1993Jan24.233630.261@fuug.fi> an5155@anon.penet.fi writes:
>I shaved my legs for Halloween.  Since then the hair has
>grown back nearly completely.  I had very hairy legs, but
>now, although the length of the hair is very nearly what it
>used to be, the hair is only about 75% as dense as it used 
>to be.  Does anyone know if this'll change?  

I had the same experience!  Actually, I shaved in early October, and
I'm amazed how sparser my leg hair seems.  Flies in the face of the
urban legend (whether true or false) that shaved hair is supposed
to grow back stronger/thicker/whatever.  Anyway, it seems to have
stabilized like this.  Kinda weird.

Russ
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an7126@anon.penet.fi (Marie)
Subject: FYI and F(My)I
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:18:41 GMT


Hi again,

   I just wanted to share some interesting facts for TS folks who might be
intersted...

1. There is work being done on a new type of breast implant that uses of
all things... peanut oil! The new implant is totally safe (peanut oil is
nontoxic, steril, and can be readily absorbed by the body in case of a 
leak). The other big advantage is that it doesn't obscure normal breast
tissue during a mammogram... making it nearly ideal for the application.
Talk to your doctors about the use of such prosthetics, it could save 
you serious misery in the long term.

2. For pre or post op TS folks who have scars that they want to remove...
there is a new dermabrasion technique that appears to be quite succesful at
removing scars. It seems most effective for scars 4 weeks to 6 months old,
but seems to do a very nice job on significant scars many years old. If you
have an interest, you may want to ask a plastic surgeon.

3. Don't forget that electrolysis is not for everybody... people with skin
of olive complexion (particularly mediteranean decent) may have problems 
with electrolysis. I've read that skin with a "low melting point" seems 
to be the issue. By the way does anyone know if this includes Asians as
a group, I would be most interested???

4. During that period after beginning hormone therapy, but before the big
plunge, where you may or may not have yet made a public disclosure of your
intent... a sports bra (you know the "Y" back kind), about 1-2 sizes small
combined with really baggy tops, can virtually prevent any embarrasing
situations.

Now I have some questions...

1. How does female hormone therapy effect mail pattern baldness???

2. What is involved in laryngial cartilidge surgery (removal of the adams
apple), and how much does it cost???

3. About how long after the beginning of hormone therapy, do female   
secondary sex characteristics become evident??? physical??? emotional???
psychological???

THAX Rita, you don't know how much I appreciate your contact, Thank you
all...

Marie :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: salazar@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Infantilism
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:01:37 GMT

This may not be the right place for this, but it is as close as I can come.
For anyone interested in infantilism (dressing like babies or small children)
there is now a channel on IRC called #BigBabies. I would like to set up
discussions on Thursday nights at 9:00 CST there, so if you are interested,
I hope to see you there.  If you need more information, please feel free to 
send e-mail.
  BigBaby
  salazar@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an4797@anon.penet.fi (Tina)
Subject: hormones
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:39:00 GMT


When I started on hormones I did a complicated pattern with estrogen, 
progesterone and anti-androgens. I started to show changes in a couple of 
weeks. People could see that I looked different, but couldn't quite figure 
out how. Some wondered what I was doing to have such nice skin. A few weeks 
after that I stopped wearing tight t shirts. During this time and for a few 
months afterward I exhibited a lot of adolescent female behavior, since this 
was in effect a second puberty. I enjoyed it at the time, though in 
retrospect it was a little embarrasing. My chest filled out (38A), my hips 
got rounder, my skin got softer, and some receded hair came back. My male 
parts shrunk, which made it much easier to tuck them up out of the way. 
Dressing like an extra from Flashdance was fashionable at the time, and 
suited me well.

A couple of years and one shaved adam's apple later, one morning I got up, 
took one look in the mirror and said "Tina, it's time." I had visited 
England the year before and had lots of contacts from the London TVTS group. 
Mr. P had just retired, but the TVTS folks thought highly of his colleague, 
Mr. D. I made the arrangements, and checked in to Royal Masonic Hospital in 
Ravenscourt Park in the middle of July, 1986. Private patients got a good 
deal: I was in a women's ward from the start. After an eternity on a waiting 
list, NHS patients went to Charing Cross Hospital, and were in men's wards 
prior to their surgery. Ugh. Nothing was very painful, though taking the 
catheter out was a frightening experience. I felt like my insides were 
falling out the first time I stood up, but the urge to have a real shower 
and wash my hair was much too strong after a week in 30 degree Celsius heat. 
My short-term memory was shot to hell for a couple of weeks, which the 
nurses told me was a common side-effect of the anesthetic.

Any updates from English alt.transgendered people?

When I started changing I hoped to have my surgery by my 25th birthday, and 
made it by 3 weeks. What happened after that looked a lot like post-partum 
depression -- after working so hard for so long, what was I to do next? I 
finished my degree, came out as emphatically lesbian, and have messed with 
computers ever since. If anybody asked me what I got for my birthday that 
year, I looked them right in the eye and told them. :-)

One of the funniest parts of this was how I scraped together the money for 
the surgery. I went to my bank, told them how much I wanted to borrow, told 
them what for, and without batting an eyelash they asked if I had a 
co-signer. My mum and dad were pleased to do so, and I consider myself very 
lucky to have their support.

./Tina

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From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine Lee)
Subject: Re: This and that... :)
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:57:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.081330.2308@fuug.fi>, an1106@anon.penet.fi writes:

...

> PS : Does anyone ELSE from Norway read this ? I admit : we are not more than 
>      4 million over here, but ?? Noone ???? 

Hvad skal vi ha til middag?
(That's the title of a Danish cookbook, sorry I know no Norwegian)

Hopefully, this will start a trend of anon posters giving _some_ indication of
their geographic location.  (Surely you can't all be Finnish!)  Makes for a
more personal statement.  Also might put what you have to say in context (I'm
from the Bible Belt and... )

Anyone else from Michigan, especially Detroit area?


Hugs to all, wherever you are

Lorraine

Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an5659@anon.penet.fi
Subject: clubs and going out
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:26:00 GMT

Does anyone know of any clubs that service our clientel in Pennsylvania?

Also, I was wondering if anyone had sent their pictures into any of the

mags(Tapestry, FMI, LadyLike, etc.).  Just trying to put faces with the

names.


Hugs

Karyn
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From: an4696@anon.penet.fi
Subject: breast forms and Especially for Me boutique
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:27:55 GMT

A while ago there was a flurry of postings about a TV boutique in Southern
California called  Especially for Me (?). Someone said that it was closed
but then someone else reported it was open and that they had just been
there and checked out the "petal soft" silicon tits which seemed to be about
$240+ (?) for a pair. I've lost the posting, so I don't have details.
Could the poster please respond with additional information?

a) what is the boutique's current address, phone number?

b) what was the poster's opinion of the quality of the "petal soft"
silicon tits.  This price seems to be roughly 40% off Penny's and
Sears. Did they seem equally good?

Honey Leigh

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From: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: This is testing anon
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:00:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Are you really nameless.




Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Leg hair...
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:34:00 GMT

an5155@anon.penet.fi writes:
> I shaved my legs for Halloween.  Since then the hair has
> grown back nearly completely.  I had very hairy legs, but
> now, although the length of the hair is very nearly what it
> used to be, the hair is only about 75% as dense as it used 
> to be.  Does anyone know if this'll change?  

According to an electrolysist I once visited, hair grows in major and
minor cycles.  The major cycle is:

  Start growing, grow, stop, fall out, start growing, grow, stop, fall out, ...

The minor cycle (during grow) is:

  Slow down, pause, speed up, slow down, pause, speed up, ...

Probably a significant percentage of the hair on your legs before you
shaved was either in the "slow down" or "stop" stage.  In either of
those, the hair is still there, but is not growing (or not very fast.)
So when you shave it off, it either does not grow out again or does so
very slowly.  When those hairs reach either the "start growing" or
"speed up" stage, your legs should fill in as they were.

 -Alan
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: "Brian Odom" <bodom@guava.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Advice sought
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:42:40 -0500

an3461@anon.penet.fi writes:



>Hi,

>	I was wondering if anyone reading this newsgroup could
>give some pearls of wisdom concerning growing hair long.  Now I 
>would really like to grow my hair so it is long (in keeping with
>my self image :-), but I have very coarse, wiry, curly hair
>which seems to grow out into a 'bush' rather than long.  In some
>respects it is quite similar to Afro hair.

>	Could anyone give advice as to how I can grow it longer
>without my hair looking like a bird nest? :-)

>	Thanks.

>	Love,

>	Karen Rose.  

I know I'm the wrong person to be posting because I am not a transgendered 
individual, but I do have Afro hair.  (surprise, I'm black!)
What you should do is to get a perm job.  I don't know the level of coarseness,
but that's what all black girls do to get their hair straightened.
I don't know which brands to suggest because that is not in my ballpark if you
will.  Well, good luck.

just giving advice
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: alt.transgendered
From: wanamake@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:40:20 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Hello everyone:

	I have never posted on an Internet newsgroup before, so 
forgive me if this one doesn't come out right.  My name is Sarah, and 
I am a 32-Y-O M to F transsexual.  I am preop, and have been living 
as a woman for approximately three months.  I am lucky in that I am 
only 5'8" high, and even though I have been on hormones for only 
seven months, I have absolutely no trouble passing.

	I was overjoyed to hear of the existence of this newsgroup, 
and look forward tohearing from others on the system.  I work at 
Sonoma State, and the people here have been wonderful in accepting 
me.  Of course, they were surprised--I played the male game pretty 
well, but once I told them of how this has been with me my entire 
life they were less shocked.

	Well, guess that can serve as an intro.  I would be most 
happy to correspond with anyone who might have questions or fears 
about this whole issue--I have lectured to two classes so far here, 
with excellent response and understanding!

Hugs,
Sarah W.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an1106@anon.penet.fi
Subject: This and that... :)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:31:48 GMT



 
  Hi again ! :) 
 
  I've got alot of response on my Shopping Guide, and I'm sending the info 
  you've requested ASAP... Sorry for any delays ! :) 
 
  There have been, althought I cannot read alt.transgendered from home, some 
  questions on whether or not I can MAIL my Guide and the Info files, and the 
  answer to that is : Yes, I can. 
 
  There is only one small problem : The SIZE of the things are aproaching 
  165 K... This is alot of text, and I am not sure whether it would be 
  appropriate for me to post it. It sure would save me alot of work and money, 
  but... SHOULD I post it ???? 
 
 
  And : to an4615 ! ( As well as others on BitNet ) 
 
  There seems to be, from time to time, a problem with anon.penet and 
  BitNet / InterNet adressing. I'm unable to get anything to you. If you wish, 
  you can mail be your " real " adress. Please remember, if anyone DO send 
  me their direct mail path, it will be kept in strictest privacy. The  
  lists e.t.c. are located on my home computer, which NOONE can access but me. 
 
 
 
 
                                      Tina                                      
 
          ---> I *know* what curiosity did to the cat, but hey!  <---          
          -->          We've got 9 lives, remember ?              <-- 
 
 
 
 PS : Does anyone ELSE from Norway read this ? I admit : we are not more than 
      4 million over here, but ?? Noone ???? 
 
 
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an5155@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Leg hair...
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:26:48 GMT


Hi everyone!  

I shaved my legs for Halloween.  Since then the hair has
grown back nearly completely.  I had very hairy legs, but
now, although the length of the hair is very nearly what it
used to be, the hair is only about 75% as dense as it used 
to be.  Does anyone know if this'll change?  

Also, when
it grew back over the first couple of weeks after I shaved,
it itched like crazy!  Are there any suggestions out there
on how to minimize itching?  Also, how do I minimize post-
shaving rashes?  ( I had a terrible one on my chest after
shaving it )

Finally, I also had a ton of ingrown hairs on my thighs that
caused red bumps.  At first I went after the hairs with a
needle, but since then, after finding all visible hairs,
I still have these red bumps which means that somewhere in
the bumps, there's a hair lurking.  What should I do?

Thanks for the advice!
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an299@anon.penet.fi (Judy)
Subject: Remembering the ole organ in dreams
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:46:21 GMT




>The following story is completely true.  I am what I say I am, and this just
>happened to me last week.  I have never posted anything this intensely personal,
Stuff deleted

>
>I am a male-to-female transsexual who had sex reassignment surgery long enough
>ago that I have no conscious memory of what it physically felt like to have a
>penis.  When I am awake, if I try to imagine having a penis again, I completely
>fail (and, no, I do NOT want it back! this is just a thought experiment).  But
>the other night WHILE ASLEEP I felt it there.  I was dreaming.  This is my
>dream:
>

I had the surgery almost 5 years ago.  I frequently have dreams where
I am male and participating in erotic acts.  I don't find this odd at 
all.  One of the dreams that happens a lot is that the penis kind of
falls out at inconvenient moments.  I find that my erotic dreams are
frequently very pleasurable and I don't worry about any deep seated 
meaning to them.

Judy (|)

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From: an5659@anon.penet.fi
Subject: RE: stockings and shopping revisited
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:22:00 GMT

For a person of 6'3", I think the 3 or 4 D at Lane Bryant
should fit.

Karyn
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Subject: Re: Basic questions
From: wanamake@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:20:36 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1js8ooINN26n@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
> In article <1993Jan23.085656.13200@fuug.fi> an1705@anon.penet.fi (Jenny B.) writes:
>>)	I get my feminine clothes at a local Salvation Army outlet. I 
>>)say you are buying for your sister.
> 
>>At first I had a carefully-rehearsed story, but later became more relaxed...
>>the Salvation Army is *fantastic*!
> 
> One could simply say that it is for a costume.  Goodwill takes out ads
> (at least here in Austin whenever halloween approaches) that explicitly
> suggest the store as a good source of CD costumes, so it would seem
> they are mellow about the concept.
> 

I find that I still buy my clothing at the Goodwill, as I have been 
able to pick up tremendous bargains on good clothes there.  (I always 
get asked where I get my clothes).  The Goodwill in San Rafael is the 
best place I have found to shop, for they have a wonderful selection 
with some expensive brands, all very inexpensively.  One 
drawback--the womens' dressing room is common, so it may not be the 
place for a crossdresser to try things on.

Sarah W.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an7331@anon.penet.fi
Subject: hosiery recommendation?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:30:12 GMT

Can anyone make a recommendation as to pantyhose?
i.e. what lasts well?
     what's sheer/silky?
     what feels nice or fits well, etc.

And does anyone know of places that one can get pantyhose by mail order?

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From: jenny@matrix.demon.co.uk (Jennifer Liddle)