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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Dallas Morning Enqui--- 'er News
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:29:40 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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In article <C0pDFx.A6F@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>What?  Hasn't any of you heard that the DMN published another story about
>Greg Hill?  He supposedly worked the week that A&M was preparing for 
>Florida State in last years Cotton Bowl...  Not only that, but he 
>supposedly worked 2 different jobs!!!  Of course this was front page
>news for the DMN, not so in many other local papers.  It seems that 
>some of the other papers in the state are kinda taking what the DMN
>says with a grain of salt.  The article in the Houston Chronicle this
>weekend had a kind of guarded wording.  I have heard that one of the
>San Antonio papers was the same.  Anyone else see anything about the 
>DMN article in any of the other Texas papers.
>
>Beat the Hell outta the Dallas Morning News!!!

I haven't read the DMN report but KBTX says that the A&M investigators have 
known for weeks about the second job.  It was probably part of the 
reason the players were suspended before the Cotton Bowl.  Whenever the 
original story broke the second company immediately told the A&M 
investigators that they had also payed Hill for work.  The DMN is two 
weeks behind in it's late breaking investigative reporting.

I personally don't see that this stuff will affect us too much as no part of
it was done by the university and none of it seems too bad.  We only have 
8-10 scholarships to offer this year and there are lots of quality players 
who want to come here even with the stories.  The Beagle reports that 
A&M may be taking a second look at a couple of offensive linemen that we 
had previously turned down.  The Cotton Bowl pretty much showed that we
need help there.  One is from Brenham and more or less said that he would
come here if we offered.  The second said that he wanted to come here but 
after we turned him down he committed to LSU and will probably stand by his 
choice.  The Beagle's at home and I don't know their names... sorry.


>cmuck ('89 forever!, maybe one day I will graduate....)   

- goober (yeah right... :) smith
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Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 07:56:40 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <1iihj1INN1rq@shelley.u.washington.edu>, crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>Is this really true?  I always thought that a copyright had to be 
>registered by whatever government agency is responsible for that sort of
>thing.  Furthermore, I am not nearly so convinced that mail (or e-mail)
>is the property of the sender.  If I had to guess, I would say that it
>is the property of whomever recieved the mail.  Of course, I am not a 
>lawyer either, and all of this is just a guess (excepting this last
>disclaimer sentence, which is just covering my butt!).
>
First, where is the football talk?   Here is to a better year
for K-State and Iowa.  Great job by the UNI Panthers.

Copyrights are to be registered.  Mail is the property of the 
receiver once it is passed by the passer(sender).  Try to get
your written letter back from the post office once you send it.
This may have changed since I last looked it up.
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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Citrus Bowl thoughts
Organization: Bell Communications Research
	<1993Jan5.195920.21515@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:48:40


Douglas Brod writes:

> In article 18390@berlioz.nsc.com, CEXHSC@TEVM2.NSC.COM (Eric Huang) writes:
> >Well, as long as that bullethead Cooper is still head coach,
> >you'll just keep getting disappointed.
> >
> >Go Blue!
> >
> >wkh
> 
> And as long as tOSU President Gordon Geek 

Maybe I'm getting in over my head intellectually here.  After all, Doug's
shown tremendous skill in adding that 'k' to Gordon Gee's name to make Gee
sound stupid and incompetent.  Oh well, what the heck...


>                                     keeps thinking a tie is a win, Cooper
> will remain head coach.  This year's tie with Michigan was "One of the greatest
> victories in ohio State history," according to him.

Doug, do you think that Gee:

   a) actually thought at the time that a tie and a win were the same thing
or 
   b) thought the program gained a much-needed boost by out-playing and
      tying a high-powered Michigan team?


Before answering, consider that a couple days later Gee was forced to admit
that he did indeed know the difference between a win and a tie because so
many people had the same reaction as you.


When will people let this remark go?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO)
Subject: Re: Bama, FSU... :)
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:17:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.131739.12761@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:


   In article 93Jan4024401@dante.nmsu.EDU, jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO) writes:
   >
   >Hey congrats to Bama...I was rooting for Miami cuz they beat FSU...
   >and if Miami won...it would only make FSU look better. :)
   >
   >But, seriously....Bama played really well... Not taking anything
   >away from the last statement...but lets face the facts....Miami
   >played about as well as Houston Oilers did against Buffalo in
   >the 2nd Half....
   >
   >Finally...NOLES....good job. :)  Even in fog....I was impressed. :)
   >Will '93 be the year to BE or NOT to BE...that is the question. :)

   That wasn't fog they were playing in at Miami, that was HARD rain!

   >
   >					JCHO@nmsu.edu
   >
   >ps Yeah I held myself all last season from blasting some of
   >the Pac-10 folks about their so-called "best conference".  I
   >am just glad they got a humbling... :)  But, hey don't listen
   >to my jabber...I'm from New Mexico. :)
   >

IN THAT CASE....I AM REALLY REALLLY IMPRESSED. :) 

					JCHO@nmsu.edu



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From: robert@kohlrabi.tcs.com (Robert Blumen)
Subject: Re: Hail Stanford!--best record in the PAC10
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:48:27 GMT

In article <1icvl4INNmit@shelley.u.washington.edu>, wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
> I liked Stanford from the beginning.  They've got that PRO look and a great
> coach to boot.  They did damn well this year with a team that wasn't built
> by walsh.  I will go ahead and look like a miami fan ( I think they are REAL
> fan's cause they were really into it ) and say that Stanford could go all the
> way next year.  I give em a 1 in 6 (roll of the die) shot.  I think they've
> got a real advantage with walsh at the helm.  Pac ten co-champions and as 
> good as any pac ten team I think.
> wessir

As a Stanford fan, I would very much like this to be true, but I really
don't think that Stanford has the best talent in the Pac 10.  They got
pretty convincingly toasted by Washington and Arizona this year.  They
couldn't handle the overall team speed that both of these teams had.  
And they won all their games against teams with equal talent, a tribute to
their coaching and their overall character.  But I still think that they
are a notch below the top teams in the Pac 10.

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Southern Mississippi (was Re: Sugar Bowl Q
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:00:52 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 14933@b11.b11.ingr.com, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan6.213407.3844@b11.b11.ingr.com>
>|> guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>|> 
>|> > Another one of my favorite teams is Southern Miss.  They play a IA
>|> > schedule, most of their games on the road, and can *always* be counted
>|> > on to take you to task.  I thought they'd make a good addition to the
>|> > SEC. Enough rambling.
>|> 
>|> I also like Southern Miss, despite the fact that they tend to upset
>|> teams at the least convenient time (as if any upset is ever convenient,
>|> but you know what I mean).  I've always wondered why Bama always plays
>|> them at home.  Do they not have a reasonable size stadium in Hatiesburg?
>|> If not, then why not play in Jackson every other year like we used to
>|> do with MSU?
>
>    It seems as though, for whatever reason, the only way they can play the major
>powers year in and year out is to play away (including Alabama).  I really don't
>know why and I'd be interested to learn.  They could take the easy way out and
>play lesser teams but they continue to play the tough guys every year.  It shows
>in their play and is the major reason that they are capable of the "upset" at
>any given time.  I watched them play the Thursday night game on ESPN this year
>against East Carolina (away, though ECU can hardly be considered a "major power")
>and I expected a good, close game.  USM controlled that one start to finish.
>

Florida State used to play USM home and away, 1 for 1. The one year they beat
FSU in the first game of the season (1989?) was a home game for them that they
sold out to Jacksonville for the bucks.  But you don't have to go back too
many years when FSU couldn't get anyone to come to Tallahassee either.  Or if 
they did, it was like LSU; 5 games in Baton Rouge for 1 game in Tallahassee.  
Michigan flat refuses to play in Tallahassee and Michigan State came down once 
and said never again.  And when did Nebraska ever come to Tallahassee to repay
the games we played in Lincoln?  Now that FSU's stadium is a respectable 72,000 
most schools can no longer use this as a legitimate excuse to not come to 
Tallahassee.  If USM could just make it over the hump and consistently beat
some of the big boys they play, their program would grow to the point that 
they could start demanding home and away arrangements.  Of course joining a good
conference would help too.  The SEC is big enough for now ... how about USM
in the SWC?  Might beef up the Aggie's schedule a bit! :-)  :-)
From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:10:36 GMT

dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com  writes:
> In article 3332@doug.cae.wisc.edu, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan6.185743.13834@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
> >>
> >>As we can see, all three major colleges in Florida finished in the top 10. 
> >>No other state has more than one (1) school in the top 10.  Kind of gives
> >>a good indication of the strength of football in Florida doesn't it?
> >
> >Not necessarily.  Florida could import most of its players (I know they
> 		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >don't, but I'm being hypothetical here).  For instance, look at the
>  ^^^^^
> >Washington schools:  they have more players from California than
> >Washington, it seems.  In North Carolina's case, I'd guess that they have
> >quite a few imported players.  All your arguement proves is that the
> >Florida colleges are good in football.
> 
> 
> But Brian, that's just it!  Florida schools don't import most of their
> players and they are good in football!  The logical conclusion is that
> Florida high schools must turn out good talent to feed the Florida colleges.
> I'll grant that weather and population give Florida an advantage over, say,

> the state of Nebraska.  
               ^^^^^^^^^
               
Yes, we keep hearing that arguement here in Nebraska.  But, there is hope. 
Maybe with global warming helping out Nebraska will have that "passing"
type climate in the near future :) 

Ofcourse that would most likely mean that Florida would be under water!  :)     

So... All you great football players in Florida are cordially invited to move
to Nebraska now to beat the rush!!
              

But it doesn't change the point that Florida looks
> to be the state of football BECAUSE it can supply enough talent to support
> 3 top 10 programs (as well as supply quality players to many other schools
> all over the country).
> 
> D. Head


                                                Joe Citro III
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: My Bowl Thoughts
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:40:32 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) wrote:
}
}Keith Jackson?!?  That guy's got alzheimers!  He is one of the WORST announcers
}I have EVER had the misfortune to hear! 

If there is any justice in the world, a law will be passed requiring
Keith Jackson to call only games in the South.  These left coasters
clearly don't deserve him.

BTW, the "WORST announcer" is in Atlanta this week to receive the
lifetime acheivement award of the coaches' association, something
very, very few broadcasters are ever honored with.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: My Bowl Thoughts
Followup-To: poster
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:08:27 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu


>}Keith Jackson?!?  That guy's got alzheimers!  He is one of the 
>}WORST announcers
>}I have EVER had the misfortune to hear! 
>
>If there is any justice in the world, a law will be passed requiring
>Keith Jackson to call only games in the South.  These left coasters
>clearly don't deserve him.
That would be the GREATEST!!!
>
>BTW, the "WORST announcer" is in Atlanta this week to receive the
>lifetime acheivement award of the coaches' association, something
>very, very few broadcasters are ever honored with.
Must be another one of those "honers" that come from the same kind of people
that give out the heisman.  He sure didn't do a good job on this coast.
Oh and BTW, it should be a "lifetime" and a half award.
Marv! Marv! Marv! Marv! Marv! Marv! Marv! Marv! Maaaarrrvvvv Albert!!!!!!!
wessir
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: CFPOOL: Final results
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:08:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) wrote:
}
}| 1246.85 | 11/18  61% | 04-02-05 |  8958.75 | 139/233  59% | Chris Stassen   |
}| 1105.22 | 11/18  61% | 03-04-04 |  8226.70 | 132/215  61% | Diana Stassen   |

So, Mr. Stassen, when did you start beating your wife?    ;-)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:33:41 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:37:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.173554.20420@Princeton.EDU> Frank Bilotti,
frank@wanda.princeton.edu writes:
>I wish everyone would wake up and realize that the reason they behave in
>that way is to make people mad and lose their concentration and
>eventually their confidence.

Well Frank,

Do you have children? Do they watch the games with you? Is this the
kind of sportsmanship you would like to see your kids emulate? Is
Miami so unsure of its ability to win that it has to play mind games (I
don't think so)?

I am not questioning their talent, their success, their coaching,.....
However, I am sick to death of their behavior. Being successful is
no excuse for being obnoxious.

This is my opinion. If you don't like it, stuff it.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




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                               Hunter Thompson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: knightb@abulafia.b14.ingr.com (William B. Knight)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:53:51 GMT

FACT:  Miami has a home field advantage in the Orange Bowl because they
play their home games there.  That's why they call it the home field 
advantage.

How does Alabama have a home field advantage in a stadium where they don't
play their home games?  I think UA has played 2 games in the Superdome since
1990.  (There is little doubt that Alabama had the crowd advantage, but
the ticket split was even, right?)

After all the talk from Miami fans about how no one would play them home
and home because no one would play them in the Orange Bowl, I would have 
thought home field advantage wouldn't be such a difficult concept.  Miami
playing their bowl game at the Orange Bowl is like Auburn playing a bowl
game at Jordan-Hare Stadium.  

-- 
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From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Pitt Repeats as National Champions!
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:59:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu


   Pitt's cheerleader squad has succesfully defended their title as
National Champions during a competition in Dallas.

   Considering that they've had little to cheer for during the past Pitt
football season, this is truely a great accomplishment.

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re:  FSU/Bama pact (to JASMITH)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:53:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:

>Alright, per our agreement I'm sitting down to my plate of crow.  FSU lost to
>Miami fair and square and 'Bama took Miami apart and raped their cheerleaders.
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is not funny, David.  Please show a little sensitivity, for cryin' out
loud.

>David (man crow tastes like crap!) Head

Personally, I like my crow boiled, with onions and a little cheese sauce.

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From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Subject: Re: Final AP Poll
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:53:09 GMT

In article <f4uW02jn306s01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> mrm70@diag.amdahl.com (Mike McAllister) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.185141.8139@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan7.125048.6704@dbsun.uucp> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
>|>... 
>
>Before some NU fan goes off half-cocked and makes generalizing statements
>about all CU fans based on a couple CU fans response to this, I will go on

Ah come on Mike I was only trying to get a rise out of those NU fans whose
only purpose in life is to complain about CU. Why should the Alabama/Miami 
fans be the only ones flaming.:)

>record as agreeing with you. I think NU should be ranked ahead of CU.
>However, I'm not surprised they are so close, considering NU's inconsistency
>(losing to ISU). But it seems obvious that NU is the better team this year.
>
>|> -- 
>|> Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
>|> Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
>
>Watch out for flying Buffaloes in '93!

Damn straight. We've got the schedule (Miami, Stanford, Baylor, and Texas)

>
>Peace and Love
>Mike


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From: ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:36:29 GMT

tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

>I would just like to take this opportunity to point out that my alma mater,
>Southern Methodist University, currently has a longer winning streak than 
>the Miami Hurricanes.  

And SMU had a better QB this past season than Miami.
--
Carl Koontz
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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Big East Review: RUTGERS
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:48:01 GMT

In <1993Jan8.143616.1581@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:


>4. The last-second win over Virginia Tech showed the team's ability
>to win games in "crunch time."  One of the most thrilling victories
>since RU 6, Princeton 4 (in 1869).


Since the game was more like soccer, with one point per goal, the original colleged
football game was probably not that thrilling.  On the other hand, RU 7 Princeton 6
in 1972 was probably a thriller.


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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: 'Bama in the computer rankings
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:17:18 GMT

In article <n072=4-@rpi.edu> kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri) writes:
> I would like to know how Bama has done in all the computer polls out there.
> Sagarin, NY Times and Dendy have the Tide # 1.

They were already #1 in the Mace System...  I will post the final point
totals in a couple of days...  They should have finished with a good lead.
>
>I am still recovering from the most awesome football weekend ever (at least for
>me :-)). Alabama destroyed you know who and the Bills pulled out the greatest
>comeback ever! WOW!
>
>Ramana
>Roll Tide!
>
>FSU 1993 pre-season #1 (Anyone but 'Bama!)
>