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From: crayjohn@cc.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Best on/off mountain bike tire???????????
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:03:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr13.100312.1
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center

I'm sure this topic has come up before, but I missed it.  I would
like to find out people's opinion on the best mountain bike
tire for mostly on road riding, but able to get off road as
well.  Are the inverted tread tires any good?

Thanks,

Chris Johnson
University of Utah
internet: cjohnson@math.utah.edu
From: jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:52:02 GMT

I agree that it is NOT right to mix 4's and 5's.  Why have the two
cats if you are going to mix them?  I thought the idea behind the new
cat was to reduce the numbers of riders participating in cat 4 races?

One other point, I believe it should be MANDATORY to take a basic
skills class before you get a USCF license.  Where else can
you get a license to travel 30+ miles per hour, inches from your
opponent with out any proof that you can handle this situation?
Fact is, the sport is dangerous and basic skills should be learned
before entering any USCF-sponsered event.
From: forbes@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Andrew H. Forbes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Off road trails near Philadelphia
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:44:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania (Not Penn State)

In article <1510316@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>*I'm going to be spending a long Easter vacation back home in
>*the Philadelphia suburbs, Montgomery County.  Does anyone have
>*any recommendations for good riding off-road type trails in the
>*area?  
>
>Fairmount Park *in* Philadelphia has lots of excellent trails.  They 
>take off from "Forbidden Drive" along the Wissaican (sp?) Creek in the
>Northwest corner of the city.  Forbidden Drive is a gravel road that is
>closed to cars, but has lots of people, bikes, horses, and police (in cars 
>and on horses).  Most of the single track side trails are deserted. 

Geez, I'm from here, and I don't really remember how to spell
Wisahicken, but that's how you pronounce it (wis-a-HIK-in).  Anyway,
you can pick Wisahicken Drive (forbidden drive, whatever) off of
Germantown Pike, near Chestnut Hill (either Germantown Pike, Bethlehem
Pike, or Stenton, I forget which).  If you look at a map, just look for
where all those roads get very close to each other, its around there.

Anyway, we used to run up and down there when I was on my high school
cross country team.  I twisted my ankle running on one of those paths!
If you go, I highly recommend "Rex" (if you like hills).  Starting
from the Chestnut Hill end of the path, follow the main path. After
about a mile and a half (maybe less)  you'll pass a covered bridge on
your left, and then a little while later a stone bridge.  Turn onto this
stone bridge and continue riding along the path (which starts
climbing immediately.

The first time I ran up this hill, the fellas told me they called it
"Rex".  I figured they called it Rex because it was a bear to run, and
our coach strongly encouraged us to run it a full speed.  By the time
I got to the top of that hill, I couldn't move my arms, and my legs
were on fire.  At the top of the path it actually
turns into a road.  When I saw the street sign I almost lost it.  The actual
name of the road is.... Rex Avenue. (it was funny at the time,
probably because of the severe oxygen debt I was in).
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                           ____    __o       
                         ____     -\<,        
                            ......O/ O
Andrew Forbes                                forbes@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: A NEW question about MA-2's
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:16:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <9203260838.AA11910@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>,
BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

[Eric Simmon wrote]
> > There is a good reason to leave the nut off the presta stem.
> > If it is tight when the tire is full of air, when the tire goes
> > flat (like out in the middle of the country 10 miles from any
> > civilization) the nut can get stuck on the stem (there is no longer
> > any pressure pushing the stem through the rim).
> 
> If you can screw it on by hand you should be able to get it off by hand.
> As always some tasks require skill in the event that things change.  If
> the nut doesn't come off easily you have the option of wiggling the stem
> while twisting the nut.  If you don't use a nut, the stem moves about
> more than is good when inflating with the "dread" Silca frame pump that
> has an integral head (no hose).

The nut can only prevent the stem moving away from the hub, the one motion we
don't care about since it doesn't push any rubber against the sharp inner edge
of the valve hole.  It doesn't protect the rubber when you pull outward on the
valve or when you pull it sideways, since the nut provides very little
resistance at right angles to the valve stem.  It does make it slightly easier
to push the Silca chuck onto the stem, but I have no trouble with this; I plant
my thumb on the tire opposite the stem to keep it from being pushed in by the
chuck.

Throw away those valve nuts!  Or at least get titanium ones.

--
David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
From: cwischne@ub.d.umn.edu (Curt Wischnewski)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wide Saddles?
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:27:07 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth. Information Services.

In article <92089.205205U3C@psuvm.psu.edu> U3C@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I just bought my father a new hybrid and he complains about the saddle being to
>o narrow...can anyone recomend a good and wide touring (gel?) saddle...thank yo
>u in advance...steve

Dave Wiens, Diamond Back pro racer, uses a leather (not gel) Avocet touring
saddle instead of a narrow racing saddle.  He looks a bit silly in world cup
races but it works.

****************************************************************************
This comes from a friend of mine that does not have an account.  Any
responses can sent to me will, however, get to him.
cwischne@ub.d.umn.edu
*****************************************************************************
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From: andersen@che.udel.edu (From the jumbled mind of Steve Andersen)
Subject: Re: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.162415.2822@kestrel.edu>, king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes...
> 
>It's called "Speedplay"; the pedals look like robust lollipops.
> 
>The stem screws into the crank arm; the sucker part has four grooves* which
>engage two sprung wires in an indentation which is part of the cleat.
> 
>Has anyone tried them?

Gee, I don't know about you,
but my MOTORcycle doesn't have 
pedals...

Please check your newsgroups line
before posting...





______________________________________________________________________________
 Steve Andersen                                   andersen@oscar.ccm.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 "I own two bikes, brand unimportant"  -- Jeff Kaskey 
 DoD #0239
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Collisions - another slant
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:57:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

latenser@unlinfo.unl.edu (Latenser) writes:


$ Well, we have all listened to endless bantering about cars hitting
$ bicycles etc.  

$ First, I bike all the time -- everywhere --- even though I have a nice
$ Volvo.  I even get my groceries on a bike. I commute on my bike -- I even
$ ignore the rules of the road a lot -- and run stop signs etc.

$ How about the penalties for bicycles hitting pedestrians?

$ I am looking at the local paper.  There is a picture of a girl --- 
$ complete with neck brace -- sprawled on the pavement after being hit 
$ by a bicyclist.  The biker is standing next to her,  covering his face from
$ the camera.  He was cited for failing to yield to a pedestrian.

$ I also remember being in Minneapolis years ago when a bicyclist hit a
$ walker on the path around Hennepin.  She died. As I remember it she was
$ the wife of a local V.I.P. (possibly the mayor).  He did not go to jail
$ either.

$ Mistakes happen -- but he is going to get off FAR to easy.  

$ And --- what about the crazy people riding on bike paths as if they are
$ the only bike on earth  --  never looking ahead for oncoming bikers.
$ I think bike paths are pretty dangerous because --- when there is not car
$ bikers feel -- "Hey, we can go hog wild and fancy free".

What you say is true, that cyclists ought to ride responsibly so that
they avoid hitting and hurting people.

But one incident of a cyclist hitting a pedestrian gets noticed a lot
more than many instances of motorists hitting pedestrians.  I think
people assume that getting hit by a car "comes with the territory" but
being hit by a bicycle rider is somehow something that should be
avoided at all costs.  I guess we could justify it if we look at
cycling as frivolous and unnecessary.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
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From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: Re: Mountain bikes and carrying "toys"
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:14:24 GMT

[ carrying "toys" on bikes ]

I like to play a lot of street hockey. I use velcro straps to attach my stick
to my top tube and carry the rest of my stuff in my panniers. Once in a while
though, I'll wear my pads, hockey gloves, and SKATES while I ride. I do get
some strange looks.

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw                    "The only trouble with instant gratification
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com           is that it takes so long!"
408/432-5960                                          Me
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: Re: Fun Descents (Was: Difficult Descents)
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:38:39 GMT

Does anyone from British Columbia know if it is legal to ride a
bicycle on the Cocahalla (spelling?) highway between Vancouver/Kamloops?
This is a very fast highway with average grades of up to 10% over several
miles.  The only problem I can forsee is that most of the automobile
traffic travells 75+ mph on this stretch.  There are very few semi-trailers
or trucks on this highway as most of them are not insured for this
particular section because of the very long 8-10% grades.

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From: gle@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (glenn ellis)
Subject: Re: Are basso bikes ok? basso line
Organization: nasa-jsc
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:53:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.223215.19764@lmpsbbs.mot.com> 
vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo) writes:
> The bike I bought is a red/white/blue Basso.  I bought and a big used 
bike 
> swap.  It has Suntour 600 parts and sew-up rims.  Does anyone know how 
much
> this bike goes for new and what bikes are in the basso line?

I had a Basso GAP frame with Shimano 600 parts and clicher rims  and loved 
it right up to the day that it fell off the bak of a friends car on the 
Interstate and was smashed.  I bought a Tommasini to replace it and have 
regretted it every since.  The Tommasini is a nice bike, but its not my 
Basso.  Want to sell yours? What size is it?

________________________________________________________________________
gle@l42bo.jsc.nasa.gov - "Does the dog have the buddah nature?" - Muh!
________________________________________________________________________
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From: roy@pta.pyramid.com.au (Roy Hazelwood)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,aus.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: APOLLO Eclipse '91 25" Bike F O R  S A L E
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:37:24 GMT
Distribution: syd
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney


        ************** F O R  S A L E ****************
APOLLO "Eclipse" 1991 Model.
FRAME: "InExternal Race Series" Tange chromoly three main tubes.Internal cable
guide.Forged rear dropouts.Two sets of water bottle bidon mounts.Chainstay
protector.(Note: 1 x bottle holder on bike + plastic pump mounts).
FORK: Hi-tensile narrow, investment cast sloping crown.
CRANKSET: SR GXC-244 "ROUNDTECH" 42/52T with 170mm alloy cranks.
PEDALS: High impact nylon aero with "Adura" nylon toe clips and straps.
DERAILLEURS: Front:Shimano TY 20.  Rear: Shimano"Light Action"L554.
SHIFTER: Shimano S434 downbar braze-on 6 speed index.
F/WHEEL: Shimano Hyperglide 6 speed 14/28T.
CHAIN: Uniglide, narrow black.
BRAKES: Dia-Compe alloy sidepull with aero levers.
RIMS: 700 x 25C Alesa 415X alloy polished concave 36H.
HUBS: Alloy 14G x 36H with Q/R.
TYRES: 700 x 25C Ivorywall Triathlon tread.(2 x spare tubes).
HANDLEBAR: Italian ITM steel/alloy racing.
STEM: SR light alloy.
SEAT POST: Alloy 10"x 26.2mm.
SADDLE: "Adura" anatomic racing.
COLOUR: Neon yellow.
FRAME SIZE: 25" 
WEIGHT: 12.5kg.
CONDITION: Good (Some small paint chips from MAC rack and sidepull brakes 
resting on frame, grrr, I am trying to get touch-up paint at the moment).
Last but not least.....
PRICE: $350 NO OFFERS (purchased 7/4/91 for ~$500, used for training and 
competition ONLY).Time now doesn't permit me either so I have changed to ATB!
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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What Is Citrus-Based Degreaser?
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:51:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <jholland.701906958@sol.UVic.CA>, jholland@sol.UVic.CA writes:
> 
> 
> What is a citrus-based degreaser? What are some brand names? Where can I 
> get some?

I finally found some Citrusolve at a local shop.  On sale, it was about $10 for
16 oz., in a plain bottle -- no spray-head.  Pretty expensive, but I was curious
so I bought some.  I got a spray bottle at an auto-parts store.

To test it, I followed an article in Bicycling on How to Clean Your Bike (my
gosh, how would we all survive without articles like this!).  This meant
spraying the stuff onto the cogs, chain, and chainwheels, letting it sit,
brushing with a long-bristle brush, and finally flushing with water.

It did a helluva good job, with minimal effort (and my drivetrain was pretty
gross to begin with).  It really floats the road-grime right off the metal.  It
also smells much less obnoxious than other degreasers I've used, and didn't
wreck my hands too much.  The whole job took about 2 oz., so it cost less than a
buck.

The only thing I don't care for is flushing it off my chain with water.  It's
hard for me to believe that all the water dries out of the inner recesses of the
chain before it causes some rust.  Next time, I'll use Citrusolve on everything
but the chain, and I'll do that in kerosene.  That will bring the cost of the
Citrusolve way down.  I recommend it.

--
David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Why shave legs?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:43:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: optima.15118
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Apr8.214218.5164@bohemia.metronet.org> Inelson@bohemia.metronet.org (Ian Nelson) writes:

>If any cyclist needs to shave his legs (women excluded, since leg hair is not
>very womenly (I don't need any flames from jock-like liberation girls, thank you
>))  is a wimp.

WOW! Three pearls of bigotry in one sentence!
   i) Cyclists who shave are wimps
  ii) Leg hair is not "womenly"
 iii) Women who don't shave are "jock-like" (whatever that means) and are
      "liberation girls" (!!)

Look, Mr Nelson: perhaps I can explain in words of one syllable. Cyclists
shave because we want to. Just like there are men who shave their faces,
and men who don't, we cyclists have the freedom to shave our legs if we
want to. We don't have to stick to some stupid social mores that tell us
what we can and cannot do. Comprendez?

-s
--
  Shamim Mohamed / {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim / shamim@cs.arizona.edu
  "Take this cross and garlic; here's a Mezuzah if he's Jewish; a page of the
    Koran if he's a Muslim; and if he's a Zen Buddhist, you're on your own."
 Member of the League for Programming Freedom - write to league@prep.ai.mit.edu
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From: ossesia@adobe.com (Mike Ossesia)
Subject: Re: Break Wind Like A Pro!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:23:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.135500.13618@midway.uchicago.edu> keho@quads.uchicago.edu  
(david kehoe) writes:
>  I noticed that every issue of Bicycling! magazine has a cover headline with 
>  either the word "break" or "wind".  I expect the next issue to have the  
cover
>  headline "Break Wind Like A Pro!"  
>  
Even worse, it would be "12 ALL-NEW Ways *You* Can Break Wind Like A Pro!"

One of the things that has always annoyed me about Bicycling is how they
always count things. From the cover of this month's issue:
63 all-new summer tours
4 ways to build aerobic power
61 helmets rated for coolness
3 suspension bikes rated for comfort
8 shorts for less than $25
10 fitness problems solved
and a partridge in a pear tree

I can just picture some guy in the bookstore trying to decide
which cycling magazine to buy: "Let's see, this here Bicycling
Magazine has 37 ways to pick the bugs out of your teeth after
a descent, and Bicycle Guide only has 34. I should get Bicycling."

>  the other would pass and, you know, pass.  We rooled into our destination  
town
>  45 minutes later -- we couldn't believe that we'd done 35 miles in 45  
minutes,
>  but there we were.

I can't believe it either. Averaging 46+ mph? You must have been
lighting them to get extra propulsion. I'd believe 1:45 -- 20 mph.

Mike Ossesia
ossesia@adobe.com

<<this space for rent>>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: burchard@horizon.math.utah.edu (Paul Burchard)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:38:48 GMT

In article <AD0834.92Apr6114101@eve.albany.edu> ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy  
Dickinson) writes:
> Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
> cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
> least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
> non-leather shoes?

Nike makes several veg road shoes, including their System Ultras.  They have a  
good 800 number (the people there are aware of this question).

As for mountain shoes, the only ones I'm aware of are the new Shimano M-200  
high end SPuD shoes.

--
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Paul Burchard	<burchard@math.utah.edu>
``I'm still learning how to count backwards from infinity...''
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Buyers Co-op
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:16:56 GMT

<CBC107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>double and triple cost profit margins?  Let's form a coop.  Chris
>dealers that double and sometimes triple  their profit margins at the expense
>of the enthusiast.  It takes very little effort and some basic organization to

I don't know any local shops that are realizing double or triple
profit margins -- once their overheads are covered, anyway.  I do know
my favorite shop pays a higher wholesale price to their Campy
distributor than Colorado Cyclist pays to theirs, given the difference
in volume discounts.

The trend I've noticed is that Nashbar originally had real barn-burner
prices but they've floated up to near retail, & Performance has done
the same thing.  My latest Colorado Cyclist catalog shows the
beginnings of the same trend, with some prices starting to creep
upwards.

I would certainly support a bike coop if their prices offered an
appropriate amount of savings.  But, by the time that
distributor/manufacturer relationships are established, catalogs are
printed & sent, & advertising no matter now frugal is paid for, an
order-taking & shipping center is set up, I really wonder if a coop is
going to be able to offer substantial savings.

-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Kestrel advice wanted
Keywords: Kestrel, advice, wanted
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.171845.14387@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>This may or may not be useful but two things I'd like to mention are;
>-For the amount of money you spend on a kestrel you could get a titanium
>frame.
>I went for titanum because I think it will last much longer, is as
>comfortable and as stiff and has good handling (Merlin).
>-Terry

I would like to point out that a frame choice is purely personal.  A steel
frame will weight 1 to 2 lb more and will be a lot more flexable than the
Kestrel (or oversized AL).  If you are fast and do mainly TT's the aero
tubing on the Kestrel will be a significant benefit.  But the weight, aero
effects and other precieved benefits are purely personal.  I would not
touch a Ti frame because they are so soft.  I hate chain rub and BB flex
and a Ti frame has plently of these (more flex than an SLX).  Of course my
Klein is cheaper, more easily corroded, more easily repaired and almost as
light and does not have the BB flex.
  The question is what does he want to do with it.  If and only if you have
a good local shop it will be cheaper to fix a steel frame and so if you like
crits (and crashing) I would reccomend steel.  If it TT's get a Kestrel but
as usual reality will always limit you thru the engine and not the frame.
So ride, train and buy what you like and don't justify your purchase with
someone elses likes or beliefs.
  - Eric
From: rodney@goldengate.math.orst.edu (Rodney James)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Vitus 979 Dural aluminum frame
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:48:40 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Oregon State Univ.

In article <33050055@hpmwnpd2.HP.COM> allana@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Allan Armstrong) writes:

>   years. I wish Vitus would make a frame with this geometry as it would be
>   superb. Still, the Vitus is a great frame.

I understand that Vitus has a successor to the 979 (maybe the 992 ???) that
has a more laid back geometry.  Anybody seen one of these?


--

Rodney James (rodney@math.orst.edu)
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