HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: whiskey (whisky) (was: Have yourself a fairly little x-mas)
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:32:05 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada


|>>|> I wasn't aware that either word was Celtic?

from uisquebaugh - water of life.  Not to be confused with akavit or eau
du vie,
which are also water of life.

"Life of the Party"
                                 
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       Legislated morality is the enemy of true morality
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: weird trees
Keywords: aluminum, tacky, unfathomable
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:56:08 GMT

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

[aluminum Christmas tree]

>We've not used the tree, and I don't see us ever using it (the husbear
>absolutely _hates_ the thing), but no one seems to want ancient tacky
>fake trees.  Oh well, after a few more years it will have some value as
>an antique, I guess

why don't you take it down to the local recyclers and collect the 10
cents that they would probably give you for it...?

--mike
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads: women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:21:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1gar2jINN8p7@fido.asd.sgi.com>, pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
wrote:

> Maybe if you all just calm down you'll have an easier time of it.
> The roads can sense your fear.

After my circling around 17th,18th,19th,20th,21st,22cnd for half-an
-hour, people strolling across the intersection well after the light
has changed become large sacks of blood - the more blood, 
the more points...  Muaa hhha  hhha  ahhhahhhhhh...

*X*
Xref: sparky soc.motss:53193 soc.bi:16951
From: harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: The phrase "gay rights"
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:51:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1h06ibINNm5i@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>I've done some political work, and I've found that the phrase "gay
>rights laws" scares many people.  However, when your substitute the
>phrase, "anti-discrimination laws for gays" (which is really what the
>National Gay Rights Bill is about) people think it's a pretty good
>idea.

This is so true.  In my outreach work I've found a lot of things to be
no-no things to say to straights.  Only in very small, intimate
groups, for example, would I use "faggot" or "dyke" in the way I
ordinarily do.  (Sometimes, however, when the feeling is right, such
things can be used to great effect.  I recall doing an outreach
sometime back to a small group of [blatant sexism and stereotyping
coming up] sorority cheerleader-type chicks with my friend from
Manchester, Lucy Sweetman.  They said they felt like we were "real
people" when I, in jest, called her "dyke" and she in return called me
"faggot.")

>Marketing is so important.  Society is so strange.
You can say that again.

>Marketing is so important.  Society is so strange.
Thank you.

Trey Harris (counting the days until vacation is over and I'm out of
this hellhole)
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:17:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec20.231739.8064
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
found Usenet, or later?

I learned of motss about the same time I heard about Usenet in 1988. I
was sitting in the apartment of a Usenet-connected person, having been
brought there by John, a guy I had fallen for. Everyone there was
fairly compunerdish, John is gay, and the third person, while I think
he is heterosexual, is pretty queer.

So they were telling me all about this giant anarchical computer
network, and they mentioned that there was a forum specifically for
lesbians and gays called "soc.motss". It took me another year and a
half before I got on the net myself, but I remembered the name and
knew to look for it.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/        You stupid vulgar greedy ugly American death sucker
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: 12/17 Dear Abby
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:04:59 GMT

I'm surprised nobody else has posted this yet.

DEAR ABBY:  My husband and I are planning a quiet 50th birthday celebration
for him at a nice restaurant.  We will be in the proximity of his sister's,
so I am sure he will want to invite her -- and that's the problem.

If his sister comes, she will want to bring her lesbian lover, and I don't
think I could enjoy myself with the two of them showing their affection at
the dinner table.  I am not saying I am intolerant of his sister's lifestyle;
I just don't care to be in her company.

My husband told me if I have to put conditions on his birthday celebration, I
should stay home.

Abby, does he sound like a husband who is committed to his marriage if he
would tell his wife to stay home rather than ask his sister not to bring her
lesbian lover?
			HURT WIFE

DEAR HURT:  Your husband sounds like a man whose head and heart are in the
right place.  I agree with him:  If you have to put conditions on his
birthday party, you should stay home.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

The party split into twos and threes before retiring.
From: ailsa@ailanthus.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:45:17 GMT
Reply-To: ailsa@ailanthus.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:

>
> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> |> I am *NOT* into Megadeth. While heavy metal may sound all alike to
> |> those not fond of any part of it, believe me -- there are major
> |> differences. One of the things I like about Metallica is James
> |> Hetfield's interesting, intelligent and INTELLIGIBLE lyrics; they
> |> don't have a great deal of competition in this field, IMHO.
>
> Blech. Too slow, too slow...
>
> (Not that Megadeth is better, although watching Dave Mustaine's ego as
> attempts to swallow him whole can be kind of fun.)
>
blech.  new kiddy metal.  blech.  of course, since i prefer priest, i
can't be TOO snotty...  they went teenybopper too...

                                        -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
                                                        ________
I miss the rains down in Africa.                Silence \      / Action
Gotta take some time to do the things we           =     \    /    =
  never have...                                  Death    \  /    Life
                                                           \/
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:47:30 EST
From: The Dreamer <ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Friend's Opinions (was Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insu
 <1992Dec16.155725.17407@tc.cornell.edu>
 <1992Dec16.195318.19119@exu.ericsson.se>
 <1992Dec17.160107.10690@infonode.ingr.com>

exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>>I told her, in a
>>nutshell - "fuck that - there is no such thing as TOO SOON when it
>>comes to *my* rights - my rights are *NOT* debateable".  Our
>>friendship has become strained because of this.  There is some merit
>>to the question "what kind of friend is she if she can't take positive
>>stances on gay issues"?  To anyone else who has a straight friend with
>>whom they talk about these types of things, is your philosophy "either
>>you're 100% with me, or you're against me" with regards to Gay Issues?

     My best friend is straight and he is not 100% with me on gay issues.
He is allowed to have his opinions and I am allowed to have mine.  If they
are different in some cases, then we have something to talk about.  For
example, if he thinks that he still wants to have a Coors Light despite the
fact that Colorado passed CO-2, that is his option.  I will try to show him
why I am not going to drink any Coors products and it is his option to agree
or disagree.  In the case that he does not agree, he is not 100% with me.
     Why should I expect him to be 100% with me on gay issues when the gay
community itself is not in 100% agreement on things like the boycott?

     On the other hand, I would say that he is 90% with me on gay issues
as well as being very supportive and understanding.  For me, this is enough.

     Love and Peace and Friendship,
             -The Dreamer-

The Dreamer: Discovering that two men CAN have a platonic relationship :-)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Legos
Organization: Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.152306.45586@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2ftrlegend@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.234008.19851@cabezon.uucp>, kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:
> > So I'm sitting here looking at all the new Lego kits I bought for myself
> > and am wondering: A 28 year old Lego Maniac - is this a gay thing or just an 
> > engineering geek thing?
> 
> Hmmm... I don't know... While christmas shopping with a friend who was
> looking for some tinker toys, I was reminiscing how much I LOVED MY LEGOS
> when I was younger.  I still do!  And I'm 23.  I'm not an engineering
> geek, but I was going to be an Architect at one time.  I still love looking
> at buildings and building things with lego.
> 
> But "a gay thing"?  Hmmm... I don't know.  Sure.  Sounds good to me.
> 

Aaaack! I wanted to be an architect, and built things with Lego well into
high school. 

Later, instead of becoming an architect, I merely slept with them.

-- 
Kevin Crombie		Public Access Unix
UUCP:  {dalcs,ulowell}!iisat!crombie
From: mcenery@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Tony McEnery)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: BBC Leads In Pro-Gay Television
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:36:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Dear All,
	  I read something in a newspaper on Saturday and was so
amazed that I felt I had to write up to soc.motss to share my finding.

	In the "Daily Mail" on Saturday (a depressing pro-Tory tabloid
in the U.K.) they reported on a new season of 'Jackanory' that is
coming to the BBC next year. 'Jackanory' is a BBC childrens' programme
which has been around for as long as I can remember. It always struck
me as rather supremely establishment - in the late sixties/early
seventies when I watched it as a tot it was a very comforting
programme - a big establishment figure reading from a childrens' book. 

	Now, however, things seem to have changed. For the next season
of stories they have broken away from their traditional fayre of Narnia
books and stories about kindly elves and pixies. Instead at least one
of the stories deals with gay rights and AIDS! The story is about some
Australian kid who travels to England to try to meet the Queen. He does
this because his brother is dying, and he wants to make the Queen aware
of the plight of lesbian/gay teenagers dying of AIDS (the article was unclear
about whether the brother is dying of this). He also wants the Queen to 
visit them.

	It is all too wonderful - indeed reactionary right wing Tory
MP's are already trying to get it banned. Near Nazi MP Geoffrey
Dickens has said the programme is trying to incite child abuse or even
is child abuse. Dear Geoffrey, what a twisted mind he must have and
what a sad little world he lives in.

	The programme is nothing of the sort. It is an excellent
example of using a channel of communication with posotive associations
to spread a necessary message to an important audience. If the net
effect is that we also start to encourage a generation of open minds
then all the better. Good old Jackanory!

			Tony
-- 
Tony McEnery,Dept. Computing,Lancaster University,Lancaster,LA1 4YR,UK.
"Another's wrong act you must leave where it is"
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Are there any "cures" for homosexuality?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:24:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec11.022145.2539@rigel.econ.uga.edu> <71569@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Dec14.001847.12913@rigel.econ.uga.edu>

Wayne Hughes sniffs haughtily:

>If they were *meteorites* Frank, I'd have something to worry abo...

*** SPLAT! ***

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk (Nigel Whitfield)
Subject: Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!)
Organization: Jenny Agutter Fan Club
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:56:50 +0000

In article <BzE9GC.6H1@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>Now that's an interesting explanation, and not one that seems
>implausible to me.  My best guess involves speculations on what goes
>on at British boarding schools ...

Having been to one, I must say that the common perception of what goes
on is extremely overrated...

Nigel.
-- 
[Nigel Whitfield                               nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk]
[For details on the uk-motss mailing list mail uk-motss-request@pyra.co.uk]
[*****  All demon.co.uk sites are independently run internet hosts   *****]

Xref: sparky soc.motss:52663 alt.politics.homosexuality:8039
From: 00daspeakman@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman, Ball State University)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: ,,,
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:06:18 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


Hi everyone!

This is my first post in over six months. Gosh, time flies....


> Again, please reroute followups to alt.politics.homosexuality 

*BLUSH* Sorry, I needed to say "Hi" to all of my abondoned friends in MOTSS

> 
> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> 
> I still feel that this is an overworked and misapplied word.  A phobia
> is a FEAR of something.  But homosexuals use it for 'fear', 'dislike',
> or whatever.  Dislike of blacks just because they are black is racISM,
> not racOPHOBIA.  
 
Not RaceOPHOBIA - XENOPHOBIA (The fear of things that are different)
Subsets of Xenophobia include homophobia.
  Phobos is greek for fear. Phobia does not always mean purely "fear," but also
the implication of the result of such fear. 

Mr. Rowley,  maybe hatred and dislike have a basis in FEAR. i.e. are the result
of fear of the consequences of non-heterosexual participation in every aspect
of society.


>Accusing someone of being afraid of you just because 
> they don't find your sexual preference 'natural' only serves to add a 
> sense of hysteria to the situation, and alienate furthur.  

I somewhat reluctantly agree with part of what you are saying here. I have
witnessed people label thoughts different than theirs as bad. Blanket labeling
of others as hompohobic is the result of xenophobia in the labeler.

Instead of labeling things, no matter how idiotic, maybe we should either ignore
it or try to set the situation on the true path.

>Should I call
> a homosexual person who dislikes fundies fundieOPHOBIC?  Straight people
> I know basically roll their eyes and turn off when the 'ohpobic' word 
> starts getting thrown around. 

A homosexual who fears the consequences of fundamentalists and police state
situations is not phobic. Note: Phobias are irrational fears.

Fearing things which in the past have cause your kind to be the subject of mass
exterminations is not irrational.

> 
>...for me, it (homosexuality) is *not* natural. 
> 

Then don't do it. 

See, to me, heterosexuality is not natural. It sickens me. Therefore I don't
do it. But you don't find me around my heterosexual friends telling them:

"I really don't mind what you do in bed. I'm open minded. I just think it is
unnatural. The way you express affection for your partner sickens me. But,
basically you're a good person."

A non-heterosexual person is more than sexual activity. We work, have families,
celebrate holidays, and basically suffer the human condition.

HOW DARE YOU insult our very being then expect us to thank you for tolerating
us.

No thank you.

David Speakman
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Diane Bailey)
Subject: Outed by the 'phone company?
Reply-To: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:32:00 +0000



How do help and advice lines provide confidentiality for their
callers in countries where 'phone bills itemise the numbers
called?

In the UK this is starting to become a problem as itemised
billing gradually spreads.

What was the state 'phone company never used to provide any
listing of calls.  Now 80% of subscribers have the option for all
calls over $0.80 (50 pence UK) to be itemised, and 30% of those
have taken up the option so far.  The main new private competitor
lists all calls but those made to charge-free lines, where the
party called has to pay the charge.  Many employers have
computerised phone systems that print out lists of all the
numbers called from each extention.

So people who want to call from a 'phone that is not their own -
such as a parent's or from work - to such as an AIDS advice line
or a lesbian or gay switchboard, may be afraid that their making
the call will be exposed through the 'phone bill.

And users of public 'phones can often be easily overheard.

Here, there is a National AIDS Helpline, and a Childline which
have free call status, but the Terrence Higgins Trust (which was
the first HIV advice source), the Samaritans (the suicide
prevention service) and the Switchboards do not have such
numbers, and probably could not afford the cost.

What is the situation in other countries?

Diane
dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Xref: sparky soc.motss:52887 alt.politics.homosexuality:8124
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: The word 'homophobia'
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:12:00 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <thecabalisdead@thecabalisdead.thecabalisdead> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>Owen is right.  'Homophobia' is a *ridiculously* over-used word
>amongst homosexuals.  A profound dislike for something is not
>indicative of *fear.*  I profoundly dislike Anderson.  I'm 
>certainly not afraid of the cow.  I profoundly dislike dog-barf
>on the living-room carpet.  I'm not particularly afraid of it.

I get sooooo tired of this argument.  The word homophobia is derived from
-phobia, which means fear, but the word itself doesn't just mean fear of
homosexuals.  It means fear or dislike or hatred of homosexuals.

Knowing word origins can help discover a word's meaning, but it's not a
definitive argument.  Television derives from far-seeing but it doesn't
*mean* far-seeing.  Saying that homophobia cannot apply to dislike because
-phobia means fear, not dislike, is like saying that television cannot refer
to watching something being shot in the next room because tele- means far, not
near.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

To beguile the tedium of the journey Albert read aloud from Volume Eleven
of the "Encyclopedia of Unimaginable Customs."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth19.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT COLORADO! Postcards
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:21:12 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	So Walter, how much evergy have you expended on its repeal?

>Write the Colorado Springs City Council?  I'll bet not.
>Write the governor?  I'll bet not.
>Call the Tourism bureau?  I'll bet not.
>Call the CO Dept. of economics?  I'll bet not.
>Help draft lists of pro-2 businesses?  I'll bet not.
>Call freinds and family and encourage them to do any of these things?
>	I *really* bet not.
>Buy some postcards?  I'll bet not.
>SEND the postcards?  I REALLY bet not.


>	On a more positive note - can someone re-post the addresses
>for these places?

Everyone can go get a whole bunch of addresses themselves by looking in 
/pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.35.7). In that
directory there are three files full of addreses as well as the the Colorado
Voters Guide, A pamphlet produced by EPOColorado on the Amendment, the text
of the brief filed to repeal the Amendment and [shortly] the text of the 
Attorney General's reply.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"The love that dared not speak its name now won't shut up!" -Rev. Jerry Falwell
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: The Cohens of New england (was: Hi Honey, I'm home (GKTT85))
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:03:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.232404.15042@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.224037.6480@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
> >The Cohens were looking quite good -tasty even- when I was last in their
> >area; I'm sure they'll have more to add.
> 
> Well, I'm going to have to wait for an introduction.
> 
> Who _are_ these "Cohens of New England"?  I'm afraid I only know the
> San Francisco Cohens who live in the Haight.

We think we know whom he meant. Actually, our father was one of the
(thousands of) Cohens of New York at one time, but that was quite a
while before *we* met him.

Robert [not speaking for John, who has never been a Co?en of any description]
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: That dead horse
Date: 11 Dec 1992 11:38:28 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <mattm-111292094529@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.160120.12608@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>,
> mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) wrote:
>
> > The TERMS of American discourse are thoroughly fucked.
>
> Tough shit.

Why did I hear that coming?  I can't think of anything
that has so permanently damaged public discourse and
intellectual life in 20th century America as has the
consistent demonization of leftists, from the J. Edgar
Hoover-led hysteria in the 1910s to the kind of crap
we saw at the Republican convention this year.  That
what passes for "liberal" in American discourse is
out of line with the rest of world's understanding of
the term is but one consequence.

Arne, proud former member of Hashomer Hatzair  (gee,
would Melinda like to join me in a rousing chorus
of "Chazak ve'ematz"?)