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From: tomg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Planted vs. natives
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:45:42 GMT

Robert Golder (lgolder@hoh.mbl.edu) wrote:
> ...there could be no native populations of brown trout in the USA, by 
> this definition, because they were originally introduced from Great
> Britain and Europe.  Of course, there are wild, self-sustaining populations
> of brown trout in the USA, and that is no bad thing!  

BTW - Old timers in Montana told me that some drainages thereabouts still
have fairly pure "German Browns" and "Loch Leven Browns".   The best
indicator is a forked tail - one has, the other doesn't - I forget which
way it goes.  The red spots where another indicator.   In most cases though,
the two are hopelessly interbred - the American Melting-Pot Brown.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: sherman@panix.com (Sherman Chan)
Subject: NYC Winter pier fishing
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:37:20 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

I've set the distribution accordingly, so apologies in advance if it
gets around to where it shouldn't.  

Anyways, I just wanted to know if anyone has anything to say about any spots
that'll produce fish (edibility is not a requirement) in New York.  I've
heard second hand stories about the Carnarsie piers (where exactly are they?)
and the Cross Bay Bridge producing stuff in the winter, but no first hand
accounts from someone who's actually pulled something in.  How about down in
the Rockaways on the Jamaica Bay side?  Is there any point in throwing in a
line from Crocheron park?  Actually I'd like to hear about anything that's
produced fish of ANY quality around here in the winter.

-Sherm
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Subject: Fillet Knives
From: C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz (C.K. Black)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 02:29:10 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: sharp as a ripe banana
Summary: sharp as aripe banana
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G'day All,
   Can I ask for R.O.F's collective wisdom on filleting knives?
My trusty Normark Fish 'N Fillet has given me a lot of good years
but I can't seem to put the edge back on it.  I'm not the best
sharpener around by a long shot but I have been able to get a 
reasonable edge with either a steel or my little diamond EZ-lap
in the past.  Does anyone have any sharpening secrets they would
like to share?  Or on the other hand is it time to retire the 
old one and get a youngster with some edge?  Any particular brands
you favour and what is the life expectancy?   Cheers..........
-- 
Conrad Black 

Email... C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz
Snail... Massey U., Plant Sc. Dept., Palmerston North, New Zealand
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From: tomg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Unusual Flies (Was: How to tie power bait fly?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:51:06 GMT

Mark O'Shea  x1527 (mos@gasco.com) wrote:

> ... the Metolius River Popcorn Fly. ...

A friend of mine was fishing stonefly nymphs on the Metolius with so-so
results.  Then some kids came along with... you almost guessed it,
cheese-puff balls.  As the all artificial hatch started, he noticed
many rise forms.  Not having any accurate imitations along however, he
did the next best thing -- he casted his stone in among the artificials.
Soon after, he was landing rainbows -- they'd take the nymph on the way
up, and the cheese-puff before going back down.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

12/19/92 Nestucca Report - Went flyfishing for steelhead on the Nestucca
system during one of the few days when it wasn't raining.   If you haven't
heard, Oregon is getting LOTS of rain and snow after many years of drought.
Though the water was clear, I couldn't spot but a few old chinooks.  After
several casts with a floating line, split shot, and a green-butt pink fly,
hooked but lost two steelhead.  The second had lots of red along the side,
indicating to me a summer run fish.  The other looked fresh.

12/20/92 Salmon River Report - In heavy rain, fished the Salmon River
for two hours with only two bumps; maybe steelhead, maybe searuns.  Saw
one steelhead taken - it appeared to be a spawned out summer run; very
thin and had color.

12/21/92 Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers Conservation Meeting.  Two club members
and several friends of the club attended the recent Oregon Salmon Summit.
I hope to give a summary later.

Also heard that the Siletz River is being considered as a water supply
source for the coast, and there might be a proposal to build an dam on
it.   If anyone has any details, please contact me.

In general, I'm interested in compiling a whos-who list of conservation and
fishing clubs in the pacific north west.   Help appreciated.  I should already
have all the Oregon FFF chapters covered, most of the Oregon Northwest
Steelheaders covered, some of the Sierra Clubs in Oregon, and the Headwaters
Organization in Ashland Oregon.   A basic description of the club, address,
and a contact would be helpful.
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fillet Knives (sharpening)
Keywords: sharp as a ripe banana
Date: 3 Jan 93 04:01:26 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <1993Jan3.022910.8926@massey.ac.nz> C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz (C.K. Black) writes:
>G'day All,
                    ... [stuff deleted] ...
>in the past.  Does anyone have any sharpening secrets they would
>like to share?  Or on the other hand is it time to retire the 
                  ... [more stuff deleted] ...

I've used a Lansky sharpening system for a few years now and swear by it.
Lansky is located in New York (USA). The kit is a brase for the blade with
pre-set guides at 35 - 30 - 25 - and 20 degree (as I recall) guide slots
to accept the guide rods from a series of mounted stones of graduated
grits from very course to 1000 (extra fine). The 25/20 degree setting is
what I use on my Normark fillet knife. I use 30 degree for a lasting working
edge and when I finish my buck knife with the 1000 grit I can literally
shave the hair off of my arm with it. The only drawback that I've found is
the system doesn't lend itself to well to blades longer than six or seven
inches.

A five stone kit from the factory is around $50.00 - When I melted mine
by a camp fire the company REPLACED IT FOR FREE! Threw in a free hook
sharpener and cap too!!! Bass Pro used to have them in their catelogue
(or was it Gander Mountain...) I'll provide the address/phone for
Lansky uppon e-mail request.

They also have a set of Diamond stones but the price is around $90.00 and
I couldn't justify the expense for sharpening every-day knives.

WARNING: if used correctly you'll get a RAZOR EDGE that will cut flesh
with little or no preasure..... I've slipped while finishing an edge with
the 1000 and given myself some mean cuts to the (remaining) finger tips...

--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)
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Subject: uk trout
From: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 30 Dec 1992 01:06:20 GMT
Reply-To: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Can anyone tell me if one can flyfish in the uk WITHOUT spending thousands of
pounds? 
I hear that a licence is around 5000 pounds ie it's a sport for the rich only.
I'm not rich but I will be in England for a year.

Thanks.
David Kenealy
Kenealy_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org (Darin Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Ice what's that?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:02:07 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom) writes:

> Date Entered: 12-30-92 22:43
> C :From: cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org (Darin Cowan)
> 
> C :The smaller lakes in the Gananoque/Kingston, Ontario area had 5-8" over
> C :Xmas and I put a few holes in on boxing day...  
> 
>  That "other" was no less than I, has this Warm Spell and consequent 
> Rain caused problems?
>  
> (the Gananoque/Kingston area is about 150 miles due East of Toronto, 
> mentioned for our American Members accessing this <C>onf.)
>  
>  We have no ice at all on this end...........:-(


I would think it has.  I know that by this time last year, I could walk 
anywhere on Gananoque lake.  As of the 27th of December, there were open water
spots (big ones), although the first 50 yd from shore seemed fairly solid
and about 6" thick.  

I'n up in Ottawa and haven't been down since.  In this arctic wasteland here
the ice appears to be pretty solid on the Rideau river.  I haven't checked
the Ottawa R. yet.


Darin Cowan - cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:56:03 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <1hnh4kINNb0d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jmm13@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph M. Mc Clain) writes:
>
>Another twist on Powerbait usage: 
>I replace trebles on in-line spinners (Mepps, etc.) with 
>spring-shanked trebles like you use to hold dough baits for carp
                      .
               [ stuff deleted ]
		      .
>The only trouble is finding spring trebles small enough to
>use without ruining the action. I am experimenting with
                      .
             [ more stuff deleted ]
		      .
Your local hardware store will have
bulk (and pre-cut) springs in a variety
of sizes. "screw" them onto the existing
trebles and cut to size with wire cutters .......

Great idea! I've added it to my growing list
of 'Power-Fishing' tecniques.


--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)
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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: New trolling motor for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:02:24 GMT

I acquired a brand new Minnkota 812 autopilot trolling motor.  Its still
in the plastic.  This is their top of the line motor with new whisper
quite motor and new weedless prop.  MKs "fair trade" price is about
$550.  I saw one on Christmas special for $495.  I will take $395 +
shipping. -Roger  217-586-4958
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Sandy River (Oregon) Trip report
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:09:15 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.




	12-19-92, Sandy River, Troutdale Oregon

	About once every 2 years I plan a trip with Jack Glass, a local guide
	on the Sandy river for winter Steelhead.  Jack is an excellent guide
	and a genuine nice guy.  I would highly recommend him to anyone 
	interested in a quality guided trip also at a reasonable price.  He
	does jet boat, drift boat, and upper river guided flyfishing trips 
	for winter and summer steelhead, and spring chinook.  He also guides
	the Columbia in the summer for Walleye and Tillamook bay in the 
	fall for Fall Chinook.

	There isn't much to report as for as details on the trip.  We had 1 
	fish on for 4 rods.  We primarily backtrolled plugs and bait in the
	deeper holes.  Being Saturday, there were more boats on the river
	which scattered the fish some.  There were 2 boats above one of the 
	more popular holes that caught fish when they were flushed out
	by boats in the hole.  Our poll on the river found 2 boats with 2 fish
	each and 1 boat with 1 wild fish released.  The new rule (a good one)
	in '92 is catch and release for all non-finclipped (wild) steelhead
	in the Sandy and Clackamas.  So there are fish available and the 
	early success rate is encouraging in the Sandy, even if we didn't get
	any.

	The Clackamas reports still show little acitivity so far, with the 
	major part of the run still due to start in the next 2 weeks or so.


	Terry

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503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles.
From: echi@mead.cisco.com (Eric P. Chi)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: N. Cal. steelheading
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:35:14 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mead.cisco.com

Hi Mark,
	Which day in a week will SF Chronicle publish those fishing reports?
Sorry to have post here since my email got rejected.

Thanks,

Eric.
From: cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org (Darin Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 03:01:07 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

wesm@mbunix.mitre.org (Miller) writes:

> 	I've noticed that a lot of people use Powerbait, either nuggets or the
> other stuff, and doing very well pulling trout out of some of the local lakes
> Being an artifical lure person myself, I was wondering..how exactly do you us
> the stuff. The directions on the jars is not very accurate. I probably won't
> use the stuff myself, but my 10 year old could sure enjoy catching something
> other than panfish. Any suggestions from those who have used the stuff? Thank

I did some extensive (to me anyway) testing on Berkeley PowerGrub and PowerFrog
lures.  I found them to be no more effective than regular twistertail jigs
(that's what the Grub is), and I found the frogs to be completely 
ineffective.  I normally fish for bass and pike.  

As a disclaimer, the PowerFrog doesn't have a lot of action by itself, so I 
may not have been working the lure correctly.  I did use it at least once 
every trip, all summer - I fish every weekend from the opening of pike 
season (early may) until mid-October.  I never caught a fish with a PowerFrog.

The PowerGrubs caught fish in numbers and sizes comparable to the normal, white
twister tails that I had (my PGs were white).

A vibrax beat the powerwhatevers hands down every time, as did live worms, and
real frogs.



Darin Cowan - cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org 

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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 10:44:16 EST
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2


Darin Cowan writes in responding to  Powerbait
...(Much Deleted)
>A vibrax beat the powerwhatevers hands down every time, as did live
worms, and
>real frogs.


Dan:
Where did you find live frogs??  When I was young (many,many years ago)
my father and I used live green frogs for bass, obviously, the best bait
ever.  I remember driving VERY EARLY to the lake we fished and often
times we would drive over thousands of lepoard frogs crossing the highway.
It has been many years since I have seen a live frog, let alone being
able to purchase them at a bait dealer.
Do you catch them in the wild??  Are they abundant in your area??  No-one
knows exactly why frogs of all species in all parts of the world are
disappearing (maybe cyclical, DDT, etc), and very few environmental
scientists are studying this phenomena.
BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
From: cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org (Darin Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: ICE??
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 03:34:39 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:

> > <someone other than bdowning writes>
> >
> > Egads, you've got ice?
> > 
> >  It will be a couple of weeks before the Huts are out on the Lakes 
> >just north of Toronto. Have a severe case of "cabin fever" but I'm all 
> >freshly spooled and just waiting...........and waiting............
> 
> There's about 6-8 inches of ice on most of the shallow lakes near
> Boston and west of Boston. The deeper lakes don't look too safe yet,
> except maybe in certain sheltered coves. I'm surprised you don't have
> ice yet, unless most of your lakes are spring-fed or fairly deep...
> 

The smaller lakes in the Gananoque/Kingston, Ontario area had 5-8" over
Xmas and I put a few holes in on boxing day...  



Darin Cowan - cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org

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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: ice what ice?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:09:09 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-31-92 23:04
C :From: cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org (Darin Cowan)
C :>  We have no ice at all on this end...........:-(
C :I would think it has.  I know that by this time last year, I could walk 
C :anywhere on Gananoque lake.  As of the 27th of December, there were open water
C :spots (big ones), although the first 50 yd from shore seemed fairly solid
C :and about 6" thick.  

C :I'n up in Ottawa and haven't been down since.  In this arctic wasteland here
C :the ice appears to be pretty solid on the Rideau river.  I haven't checked
C :the Ottawa R. yet.

 
 There is a cold front coming in tonight (New Year's Eve) and it 
should last for at least a week (yeah, it's Winter and I'm talking 
about Cold Fronts).
 
 It's an hour away from January 1993 and within a couple of weeks, 
we're going to have more ice than we'd care to think about. Only 90 
days before we can get that boat back into the Water.....!!
 
  Regards & HNY
 
   Marv
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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: nah no ICE!
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:45:18 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-30-92 22:43
B :From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)

B :There's about 6-8 inches of ice on most of the shallow lakes near
B :Boston and west of Boston. The deeper lakes don't look too safe yet,
B :except maybe in certain sheltered coves. I'm surprised you don't have
B :ice yet, unless most of your lakes are spring-fed or fairly deep...
 
 Thanks for the <R>eply Bill but this last week has been very warm 
(around 41F and it's Raining quite heavily as I enter this message). 
Cold Front moving in for New Year's Day but Saturday it's back to 42F.
Made two calls this morning to Ice Hut Operators on Lake Simcoe (about 
60 miles north of Toronto). Called the south end first, OPEN WATER and 
they figure middle to late January, then spoke to the North East end 
(this is a Big Lake) and ice in some areas and it's only 3" thick and 
they won't be hauling the Huts out for at least a couple of weeks.
 
 Heard there are some Huts out on the Bay of Quinte (about 100 miles 
east of us) but frankly lot's of current out that way (Eastern End of 
Lake Ontario) so I'll just wait a couple of weeks longer. We got hit 
with about a foot and a half of Snow about 10 days ago and now (after 
all that rain) I'm looking out on my lawn and the grass is still 
Green!
 
 What a season, still can't quite comprehend all of this since over 
the Labour Day weekend I fished both Lake Ontario and a site that was 
a 100 miles north and surface temp. back then was between 45-55F. I 
would of expected some Ice Fishing by now.
 
 Regards
  Marv
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From: jmd@kastle (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re: Live frogs
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University CS Department, Princeton NJ
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:34:57 GMT


I actually tried to mail this to icy Bob D. about 5 times, but
I couldn't extract a real email address from the plausible possibilities
in the news headers as they arrived here.



 Live frogs are not too hard to find in Princeton in the swampy
 areas (yes, we have swamps in princeton). I don't know how many
 there used to be here - I grew up somewhere else, but there were
 more frogs in central massachusetts in the mid-60s then there are
 here now.

 I actually wouldn't use live frogs for bait right now because of the
 stress that worldwide frog populations seem to be under right now.
 In fact, I even wouldn't use frogs for bait so that my son could catch
 a few fish. 8-)

 John Danskin                    |
 (609) 258-5386                  |
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From: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: ICE...Greenhouse Effect
Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:31:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
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In a previous article, Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) says:

>When I was considerably younger, we 'ice fished' from slightly before
>christmas until the end of March.  In the last ten years, only one time
>has the ice been safe around christmas, and it is ALWAYS gone by the end
>of February (Michigan, Ann Arbor-Detroit Area).  In addition, golf
>courses used to close from October until April, now, they charge into
>November, and reopen in March.
>Skiing, snow, cold etc...descreased substantially the last decade.
>This is one of the best measures of the greenhouse effect I know.  While
>all the politicians (and Scientists) argue over whether the greenhouse
>effect is real, any outdoorsman worth their salt knows the real answer.
>BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
>Polish Fisherman
>


Sorry, Bob. I know it's PC and all to spout "global warming", but 10 years isn't
a statisticly significant sample to base a claim of climatic change on, it's 
a bumb in the graph. It's far more likely that we're simply at the end of a 
"little ice age", a trend measureable back to the 1700's... unless someone 
thinks "global warming" started then!
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