HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:51:30 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug13.150520.21049@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell) writes:
>As I understand it, the Science News article took great care to call
>the circles hoaxes, and to point out that some people had already
>come forward saying that they had made some of the circles.
>
>I wouldn't really call that article a good reference, if one were
>looking for support of the "aliens are coming" theory.

A citation is a citation is a citation...

The only problem with this one is that the Science News is a rehash,
kind of a Readers Digest of the Scientific publications, and no
original research was done.  I'm sure you could also find all manner
of publications that say that the Reagan era was good for civil
liberties, too.  That wouldn't change anything...

I don't want you to get the wrong idea about my comments...  I'm not
jumping on your citation because it doesn't agree with me...  rather
that I haven't actually claimed the aliens are coming, rather I'v
tried to leave the door open to explanations other than human.
I have no evidence the aliens are coming.  What my opinion is has no
bearing on this case.  I can't prove there are aliens and I don't
intend to.  I'm simply stating that there is reason to doubt that
humans with mechanical implements created the majority of the
crop circles and that any explanation is only a theory.  Even the
two hoaxters (that were reported to have recanted their story) could
be hoaxing their confession.  Until someone can stand in the middle
of one forming, with a camera, tape recorder or other instruments
there will always be doubt.  Heck, until the Leyden Jar and the
Galvanometer scientists doubted there was such a radical thing
as electricity!!  

I can't prove a negative any more than someone can prove the positive.
I can't prove the aliens made any of the crop circles and no one can
prove to the same level of certainty that humans created all of them.

Sure, you can jump on the simple explanation and try to make it apply
to all of the circles...  any fool can do that...

Rick
:-)
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:57:19 GMT



In article <1992Aug12.165201.11575@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes:
|>Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
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|>From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
|>Subject: Re: Ley Lines
|>Message-ID: <1992Aug12.165201.11575@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
|>Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System)
|>Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
|>References: <zj8xcbl@rpi.edu> <63467@cup.portal.com> <63861@cup.portal.com>
|>Date: 12 AUG 92 12:43:59    
|>
|>
|>In article <63861@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
|>>earth around the stakes that cosmic dust and other things are settleing
|>>on the earth at a rate of one foot every thousand years.-----JW
|>
|>For a total depth of 800 miles of dust since the Earth formed! Where is all
|>this dust?
|>
|>-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
|>


John...John...John...

Once again you are showing you ignorance (Not You Tom) and lack of a grasp on
reality.

The Cosmic dust test was done on top of one of the high Hawaiian Island mountain
peaks.  Creationists were trying to prove that cosmic dust settles at a rate
that would account for the many layers of the Earth that geologist claim formed
over millios/billions of years.  All the creationist proved was that the Earth
has a very dusty atmosphere.

Get a life John and wake up and smell the coffee.


Steve Food_for_the_Grays


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From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (Kellan Hatch)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:36:43 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <3283@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com writes:

> It's been done.  There are recordings of a subject sleepwalking while
> she turns the camera off.  Supposedly the beings remained off-camera until
> this happened.

    It sounds like sleepwalking/telepathy would be a convenient excuse for the
"victim" to turn off the camera and then make up a nice story of what
followed.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:13:38 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug12.112650.25645@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes:
>>kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>
>>I doubt that any aliens or government people would have created such >circles. There is no reason for it.  
>
>Try realizing that there is more that you don't know than there is that
>you do know. Most reasons are beyond our comprehension.
>
>>Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange formation that will get >people suspicious when you could easily land in some other place that would >leave no such "evidence."
>
>If you had work to do in a place where no one could overpower or
>influence you would you really care what kind of impression you made,
>on the planet surface or on the inhabitants lives?
>  
>>Come on, there is much more convicing evidence than these hozx formations.
>
>Evidence shmevidence, I want the air ship I saw flying along power
>lines one night with no lights on and without making a sound.
>
>Rick

Er...  I'm not the one that said the above...  the guy was responding
to my contentions...  I'm the one who stirred up the hornet's nest,
remember?



Rick Pavek

































Sorry, the #^(#^%( trn keeps telling me I have fewer lines of text than
the article I'm including...
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:52:15 GMT

kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:

>In article <1992Aug9.022331.9288@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>
>>Who said anything about flying around the world?
>>
>Let us rephrase...  How do you explain the crop circles in the US, Canada,
>Mexico, and Australia?  And others, as far as I know...

>Other humans?  Prove they were all made by humans.  Don't just assume.

The burden of proof is on you.  You are claiming a supernatural explanation
for the circles.  I cannot prove that aliens did NOT make them, but you
can easily prove that aliens DID make them.  You just need to show one
instance in which this is true.

keith
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:07:27 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug14.143734.3784@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell) writes:
>Unsolved Mysteries *did* set up cameras to find out what was
>going on a couple (?) of years ago, and caught people faking 
>the circles.
>

Now that's proof, when it's validated.  It's proof that men did
create at least that one circle.  It's not proof that others could
not be created by other means...  it's just proof that men did make 
at least one.  It does not rule out other explanations.  (And, by the by,
it COULD have been staged.  But it was STILL picture proof that some
men DID create one.

It also shows that people need to get a better method of verifying this.

Like, wait until they're half done and then fire a 4.2" mortar flare
over their position...  8-O

Heck, those monsters ought to be caught...  go ahead and fire HE
with a 300M airburst...  that should make them stop completely if
they're ALL man-made...  show a couple of bodies and the pranksters
will stay home.  ;-)

Rick


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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:39:10 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <64386@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>I don't have time to post anything right now. I catch everybody later.
>John Winston.

I _do_ have the time, but I don't have anything to say.  But then neither 
does John. :-)

John - can't catch me! :-)

	RA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: zenith89@bwdlh130.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet)
Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Ba
Reply-To: zenith89@bwdlh130.bnr.ca ()
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., Ottawa, CANADA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:57:40 GMT

In article <63795@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>---- Creatures Great and Small: They won't let me use the word dear 
>anymore. The information about the rocks comes from the current issue
>of the tabloid paper Weekly World News August 18, l992 page 9. Since
>Dr. Demonde and his colleague published their findings last spring, a furor
>has arisen in the scientific community. The two researchers' work has
>been ridiculed in some quarters.
>John Winston.

Hey John, did you know that this same paper also had articles 
entitled "I had sex with 6 space aliens -- again!" and "Illinois
town terrorized by man eating turtle" at about the same time as
the article about "living rocks"?  

...my opinions are my own... CPV
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From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: A racist argument against handgun control legislation.
Organization: UUMEME Public Access UNIX
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 02:05:09 GMT

With respect to the idea of "academics laughing at the idea of cumpulsory
military service", may I remind you that, in almost every "civilized" nation,
it's ALWAYS been so, and never moreso than the few years before and leading 
up-to a major war? One of the reasons Germany DIDN'T invade Switzerland (in
Goering's own terms) was that the Swiss were armed to the point that "it would 
have been more trouble to take it, mountains and armed civilians and such,
than the place was worth" (and yes, they DID place a high value on possession
of Switzerland, just that it would have been EXTREMELY difficult to take it,
and once having taken it, to HOLD it...)

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:36:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug21.134827.3072@acd4.acd.com> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
>Dear Circle Watchers: (Now, who do you suppose I sound like?)
>
>I have been noticing all the talk about Circles. One thing I never have
>seen mentioned is the fact that the British government has offered a
>reward of about $20,000 for solving the crop circles. 

This is very interesting, but do you not mean 20,000 pounds?

>                                                       Could someone please
>verify this? I heard this on the CBS special the other night. Anyway, to
>continue, you must understand that much money will cause a lot of people
>to take a shot in the dark at how they think they could make a Crop circle.
>Seems to me that many people, "Crop Circle Knowledgable" or not, would
>try to prove how it was done in hopes of collecting the reward. What they
>fail to realize is some of the more subte (or unusual, you pick) attributes
>of the Circles are:
>
>Stalks bent at sharp angles without fracture. Every try bending a wheat
>stalk? If its green, it will do what they call (in medical terms) a
>greenstick fracture. The longitudinal fibers will separate from each
>other. These stalks were bent in a short enough radius that cause that, yet
>no greenstick fracturing occurred.
>
>Genetic altering of the seed. Grains were shown normal outside the Circle
>but inside the grains were shown to have mutiple embyos. Not an uncommon
>occurance since some outside the circle occasionally show multiples. What
>is unommmon is the fact of the much higher percentage of multiple embryo
>grains. (Myself, I consider this VERY unusual.)

I'm not sure I understand how this is a sign of altered genes.
 
>Signs of some sort of heating. Someone said "microwave heating". Although this
>could be true, just about any enery source from ultrasonic (if there is enough
>quantity) to LF RF and on up to light will cause a rise in relative temperature
>of given object. Especially if its a)wet or b)porous. 
>
>Stalks are more than bent. More like weaved. In some, bases are weaved
>in one direction while tops are weaved in another. 
>
>Anyone that says they did this with a 2X4 and ropes is lying. Else:
>I WANT SOME OF THOSE 2X4s !!!!!!

In some ways, this reminds me of the claims made of the shroud. 
 
>Gregg.


Rich

payner@netcom.com


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:52:27 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug11.152555.10275@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com writes:
>
>.......................  Quote from "Crop Circle Communique" - "There
>is not a single botanist on the face of the earth that can explain 
>how this occurred."

What is this a magazine or publication of some kind? I would be
very interested in where I could get a copy.

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: New LITE Beer Commercial with aliens
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 07:38:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug14.154014.27000@acd4.acd.com>

--bringing back a lot of the people. Our government wants to get out of the
deal so we now see things on TV like The Intruders and commercials with
space entities that look a lot like the Greys. Previous to that time
they chose to show them looking like ET (which I liked also). So I 
think we are being shown very close to the truth.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Subject: David Jacobs to lecture in London
Keywords: abductions
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:33:42 GMT

Dr David Jacobs, author of Secret Life will be giving
at lecture on Wednesday 26th August 1992 at Friends
House, 173 Euston Road, London, NW1. Doors open at
6:30pm, admission 4.5 pounds.


David Jacobs book is based on his work with over 300
UFO abduction witnesses and is subtitled First Hand
Accounts of UFO Abductions. He works closely with a
number of other abduction researchers including Budd
Hopkins. His talk is billed as being based on these
researches.

Jacobs was also one of the participents at the recent
Abduction conference held at MIT.

3~z3~3~
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Mapping Project Resource Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK.
Phone: +44 81 869 3293  JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:47:27 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <xr0mmqr.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
>
>*****
>It says NOTHING about the times we live in...It "reads" like it does
>because it is the TRUTH!!  And you insinuate that I am a mental
>patient...I resent that because I was FORCED into ALL those mental
>hospitals by this government, which I am going to SUE TO HIGH HEAVEN, and
>by enemies who can read minds, etc...YOU wouldn't have lasted five minutes
>under the strain of what I have had to go through...I am PROUD that I
>ain't some crazy artiste, or Hollywierd moviemaker...
>
>
>-- 
>Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>          The world is your playground.  Keep it clean! 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------

Well Jeremy, is this interesting enough?  Or do you want MORE?

Ye gods... he's on GEnie, too!











Rick (Got to go change my .signature file...)
(QUICK!  :-)
From: Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:23:14 GMT
 <1992Aug12.112650.25645@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <85988@netnews.upenn.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:


>YES, DEFINITLY YES. I think the "Prime Directive" argument of Star Trek >could apply to aliens as well. Besides, if the aliens really didn't care, >they would land randomly. Too bad they never land in center city. 

JM,
 Please explain the pattern to the alien landings to me because I fail
to see one. And where is center city? How do you know they didn't land
there?
 Do you believe that every ship in the sky is seen?

Rick Slater (not to be confused with Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: THE NATURE OF REALITY
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:27:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.071406.6873@techbook.com> nancyp@techbook.com (Nancy Parsons) writes:
>jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:
>B
>
>>> 1. No tracks whatsoever around the carcasses.
>
>>You obviously never tried to hide tracks. Not a too difficult
>>job, if you want to.
>
>>> 2. All blood completely drained from the bodies, but no blood on the
>>>    ground.
>
>>Well ? the blood was drained somewhere else !
>
>
>I might find it a tad difficult to cart ol' Bossie off, drain her
>blood and do a little dissection, and truck her back again, all
>however-many hundreds of pounds of dead meat of her, without either
>a whole crowd of people, or some heavy equipment.  Given the logistical
>problems of transporting the carcass, I would think hiding the resulting 
>tracks would be a DAMN difficult job.  
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>| Nancy Parsons            | "You can't fire me - slaves must be sold!   |

Actually it would be easy to NOT make any. You use a helicopter and a winch.
Would have to be a fairly large helicopter but it could be done. The problem is
most of the places that this has happened (desert southwest etc), the ranchers
would immediately have spotted a helicopter (during the day) and easily heard
it at night. You have to understand that the livestock for these ranchers, I 
know-I used to raise cattle, are their life. They take care of them like
babies almost. Another strange thing is: WHY? Why would someone "cownap" and
dissect? Could be any number of reasons. Some have said satanic cults do this
for the blood. I am not sure there is any evidence that realy points to 
any alien presence here, but it sure could if you get to thinking about it. 

Covering tracks is not DAMN difficult if you want to do a good job. However,
anyone that can track at all knows that you would be able to see something
even with the most experienced "track hider" in charge. May not be able to
tell what it was or which direction it went, but you could see it had been
there. Tracks are easily messed up and disguised but DAMN difficult to 
erase.

Gregg.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:33:11 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug15.095420.2151@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>>Prove to me that any of the crop circles were created by humans.
>
>That is easy.  Now, how about proving to us that any of the circles were

But you have yet to prove it.  Show me your evidence.  Do you have any
'proof' that the circles were created by humankind?  All I've heard as of
yet, is heresay.  (The point I'm trying to make here is that neither
of us has absolute proof of our respective claims.)

Rick

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: The Federation is still here
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:36:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug11.155325.1@acad2.alaska.edu> asljl@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>Hello All
>
>Yes, The Federation is still here, at the moment for those still
>interested, it is still here and still reachable. We still want to 
>hear from people interested in it or new people interested in the
>Federation. 
>	For those of you who are new to the Federation ideas, this is 
>what we are:  We are a group of people who feel it is high time we got
>off this rock and started exploring the great unknown of space.  We have
>drawn out in blue print form a drive system that is a 
>a super semi conducting crystaline structure. 

Okay I know what a superconductor is, and I know what a semiconductor is,
they are pretty radically different from eachother.  One has zero resistance
to electrical current and the other has a very high resistance, although
it is not an insulator.  So would you bother to explain what you're talking
about?


Ithlial

My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit eachother.



Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.politics.kibo
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Subject: Re: Gary Stollman For President...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 AUG 92 12:32:44    


In article <BswoD9.EwE@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes...
>[alt.alien.visitors]
>Gary, if you'd like to help take back control from the government, I'm
>running for president (see alt.politics.kibo.)  Would you like to be my
>running mate?  (I asked Mike Jittlov, but he seems to be busy.  You're
>every bit as energetic, and I see energy as the prime quality necessary
>to properly confuse the media.)
> 
>							-- Kibo

No,No,No! John_-_Winston for VP!!!
-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com