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From: weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:36:40 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <randall.727578470@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>Valens is an interesting question though.
[...]
>"La Bamba" was quite an important record in my opinion, as it
>was the first big rock-n-roll hit to be sung in another language
>besides English, and was one of the first to incorporate ethnic
>music.  Had he lived, perhaps he would have experimented more
>with the music of his Latin roots.

Does this mean that Latin music could have really become a well-followed style
that early?  I just note that there was little prominence in Latin music styles
until the 80s, when the Miami Sound Machine, coupled with the popularity of
Miami Vice, helped to propel Latin music and culture into the mainstream.

Incidentally, I thought the remake that Los Lobos did of "La Bamba" for the
movie was excellent.  It remained true to the original in style, but filled it
out nicely.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of "La Bamba," (and in order to get back to
a Beatles subject) has anyone noticed that the chord progression for "La Bamba"
matches that of "Twist and Shout?"
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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Twist&Shout/La Bamba (was:Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:55:41 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:

>Oh, and while we're on the subject of "La Bamba," (and in order to get back to
>a Beatles subject) has anyone noticed that the chord progression for "La Bamba"
>matches that of "Twist and Shout?"

Yes, you could actually sing both songs simutaneously.  I believe that
"Twist & Shout" was written after "La Bamba" was a hit (around 1961, 
I think), so clearly the latter influenced the former.  It illustrates 
again why I think "La Bamba" was a very important record.


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From: tas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charerntas Toochinda)
Subject: Re: Parodies of Abbey Road cover
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:03:03 GMT


I once saw an album by the pianist/comedian Victor Borge (I don't remember
what it was called) where he apparently played Beatles songs in the style
of classical musicians (i.e., Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da in the style of Mozart, etc.)
The cover was a caricature of the Fabs crossing Abbey Road, with an anonymous
fifth figure drawn between George and Paul (his head was turned, and you
couldn't see his face).  Unfortunately, I never got to hear the album...

								- Tas.

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From: jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter)
Subject: Re: Big Mac's "Deliverence"
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:20:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.080623.27728@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>edward s. chen (edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu) wrote:
>:
>: Incidentally, has anyone out there seen the "Hope of Deliverance" video
>: which Paul apparently filmed in London late last year?
>:
>
>By sheer fluke I saw this.
>
>Shots of Paul & band playing on raised podium in an almost jungle like
>quantity of potted plants.  Adoring fans jigging away around him.
>
>Only bit that caught my eye was the very very brief appearance of a
>coal miner.  Subtle local UK political point  :-)
>
>Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services,
> University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
>  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
>"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"

I know this isn't uk.politics, but since he brought it up...

Do any of my fellow Americans ever watch the House of Commons on C-Span?
Much more interesting than watching either one of our houses...boring...



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From: stsslxs@st.unocal.com (Luis Sandoval)
Subject: Paul's B-sides
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:33:29 GMT

In article <9866@auvm.american.edu> BFANTLE wrote:

>In listening to Paul's singles I noticed that I enjoy a lot of the B-sides bett
>er than the single:

STUFF DELETED

>I really like Girl's School(don't remember the A-side)

A-side Mull of Kyntire (sp?). I agree on this one. Mull is not a bad song, I just
happen to like Girl's School more.
From: wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: RE:Opinions about USSR album
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:39:36 GMT
Reply-To: wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

The USSR album came out of two days of Paul trying to jam with different
artists who were brought in "by invitation only," to see who he liked 
playing with enough to band together with.  Basically, the sessions were
tryouts for his world tour band.  From these sessions we got Hamish
Stuart, Robbie McIntosh, and Chris Whitten.  I'm pretty sure Wix wasn't
in these sessions- but I might be wrong about that.  Since the last tour
Chris Whitten left(sometime session drummer for Edie Brickell, trained
"art student".  I'll mi
Blair Cunningham replaced him starting with the MTV Unplugged sessions.
Good drummer from what I understand, but haven't heard much of his work.
Hence our current lineup so nicely portrayed on the single, of Robbie
McIntosh(formerly with the Pretenders, seen prominently in the video
for "Don't Get Me Wron"
, Hamish Stuart(former lead of the Average White Band), Wix Wickens,
Blair Cunningham, Paul and Linda.
	I liked the album, but didn
't fall in love with all of it- actually, I didn't like "Ain't That A 
Shame" because there's some really obvious remixing going on, with
some funky effects added to his voice.  I did fall in love with 
"Don't Get Around Much Any More" and "Summertime".  For extra kicks get
the single of Once Upon a Long Ago, which, besides one of my fave Macca
compositions, (with Costello) "Back on my Feet", there is
Don't Get Around Much Any More, and Kansas City(on CD), or Midnight Special
(on vinyl.)
ciao!
				Walter White
				WRW5473@isc.rit.edu
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From: bterry@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Twist&Shout/La Bamba (was: Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?)
Reply-To: bterry@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:59:27 GMT

In article <6029@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson) writes:
>>In a I-IV-V progression in our example of C major, the I is C major, the IV
>>is F major, and the V is G major.
>
>Since I've never quite understood this (and all the 'notes on' use this),
>how would the progression 'C F F# G' be written?  (I IV ? V).
>
>				Ignorantly
>					Gaukur.z

 It depends on several possibilities - whether the F# is a maj., min., or      
diminished chord.

 - If it's F# major, then you'd probably just write #IV.
 - If it's minor, it would depend on the context, but if I guess correctly,
it's not a minor chord you're thinking of.
 - If it's a dim. chord, you'd write viio (<- like a "degree" symbol)/(of) V

 I'm a music student ,so feel free to ask me about any other theory mysteries
you may be pondering.....
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Paul vs. Penn??!!??
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:19:31 GMT
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In article <lmd4qgINNs6i@news.bbn.com> Rob Granville <rgranvil@bbn.com> writes:

>Penn: Because it just makes people dull and boring. It makes you want to
>grow a beard and wear a down jacket. You end up like Paul McCartney ---
>that's what 40 years of marijuana can do to you.

But, Paul seems to be a "hot" topic to flame these days.   Consider Dave 
Barry's comments in this week's column (which concerns a readers poll to
decide the "worst song of all-time"

B>	Speaking of bad lyrics, many voters also cited Paul McCartney, who,
B>    ever since his body was taken over by a pod person, has been writing
B>    things like: ``Someone's knockin' at the door; Somebody's ringin' the
B>    bell; (repeat); Do me a favor, open the door, and let him in.''

Similarly, a review of Linda's cookbook in the local alternative rag takes
to task not only Paul and Linda, but the couples' drug use, and stout stance
on animal rights.  (Odd, since being "alternative", the publication runs ads
for "The Marijuana Store" [legal hemp and stuff], and often writes scathing
editorials concerning Bush policy concerning the environment) -- Guess the
stand is only "correct" when it's not PAUL McCARTNEY making it...

So, what is my point?   Not much, just that to the youngsters who need somthing
to rebel against, Paul has become one of the biggest (and unfortunately, one
of the easiest) targets to flail away at...

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
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From: strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange)
Subject: Re: Big Mac's "Deliverence"
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
	<1joaaoINNpnb@menudo.uh.edu>
	<1993Jan25.160349.15791@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:11:17

In article <1993Jan25.160349.15791@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter) writes:

    Has anyone seen the Hope of Deliverance CD import single? If anyone has,
    please E-mail me. Responses are greatly appreciated. By the way, are you
    guys sure the CD single is going to be released in the US? Or is he going
    to pull the same thing he did with the "Flowers" singles?

Jason,

It has been released here in the US of A as of today (1/25/93).  I
just picked it up today at lunch.  It has the same 4 tracks as the
import, but comes in a standard jewel box (unlike the import, that
comes in the eco-pak or whatever thingy).

	Steve

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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Twist&Shout/La Bamba (was:Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:30:53 GMT
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:
>
>>Oh, and while we're on the subject of "La Bamba," (and in order to get back to
>>a Beatles subject) has anyone noticed that the chord progression for "La Bamba"
>>matches that of "Twist and Shout?"

And Louie, Louie and Hang On Sloopy, and many more that I can't recall
at this moment.  This is one of the most oft used chord progressions
in rock/pop music.

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From: lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u)
Subject: Re: Michelle...year???
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:38:40 GMT

In article <jsull-200193163534@bluto.pica.army.mil> jsull@pica.army.mil (J. Sullivan) writes:
>What year was Michelle released/popular?

December 3, 1965 -- from the album Rubber Soul.


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From: maysee@ss2.sews.wpafb.af.mil (Eric E. Mays)
Subject: Paul in Cincinnati 
Reply-To: maysee@ss2.sews.wpafb.af.mil
Organization: U.S. Air Force
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:41:36 GMT

I just heard on WLW, a sports and talk show radio station, announced
that McCartney and crew is negotiating on doing a show at Riverfront
Stadium in early May. 

Also, "Hope of Deliverence" CD single (Maxi-single) is already out
here in the US.  Album is due to be release February 9.  I like 
the single, hope the rest of the album is good as the single.

Thanks,

Eric
From: Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Paul has been in german TV
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 17:24:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.15A/hb

Saturday, Jan. 23th, Paul and his band have been in the great german TV show
"Wetten dass?". First, they played "Hope Of Deliverance". After that, Paul was
one of the candidates. He gave some funny examples of his knowledge of the
german language ("Jawohl, mein Herr."). Lastly but not least, Paul announced
that he will do a show in Frankfurt on Feb. 22th! Some lucky people in the
studio, who fetched tennis balls, thrown by Paul and the moderator, Wolfgang
Lippert, got free tickets; it was also announced that fifty refugees, which
have been flown to germany shall attend his show for free.
Please excuse my bad english - but I like to inform you actually!

Regards

Patrick
From: mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatle Recording Anomalies
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:50:50 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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Allude, not elude.
Via: uk.ac.leeds.scs; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 16:38:13 +0000
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Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Japanese pressings

In article <harold.727139339@ccl.umist.ac.uk> you write:
>Of course the really GREAT thing about the Japanese issues is the LYRIC
>sheet included in most of them. For those of you who don't know, the
>lyrics provided have not been copied from the sheet music, but
>apparently transcribed by some employee of the  Japanese record company.
>Theyt generally show evidence of pretty good English, but include some
>outrageous howlers. I've only got 2 or 3 such lyric sheets, but would be
>only too happy to share some of the best moments (I am the Walrus
>probably being THE best) with you....

Interesting point, but........ Half (but shrinking) of my CD collection is
Japanese sourced as I was living there when I started getting CDs, including
all my regular Beatle albums. Every time I have ever seen a credit for "lyric
transcription" it has been a western name, and someone called something like
"Linda ?Hennick?" (sp????) is most common.

Cheers,

Ross-c
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: Sugar Plum Fairy ???
Keywords: Sergeant Pepper, Lou Reed, Transformer
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:44:05 GMT

In article <9221@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:
>I'm sure plenty will point out that this was "A Day In The Life."  I wonder,
>though, why it is that the remixes of ADITL that appear on Unsurpassed Masters
>have a lead-in of the typical "1, 2, 3, 4" instead of the "Sugarplum Fairy"
>that was shown in "The Making of..."
I think the take on "Making of" was take 1, right?  I haven't seen take 1 on
Unsurpassed Masters.  I think he just did this as a lark on take 1, not every
take.
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Big Mac's "Deliverence"
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:13:12 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
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In article <C18EGL.EpC@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:

>I called a place in Maryland (U.S.A.), and they said that a total of only 500
>copies were pressed, and they've got one - for $100!
>I hope there is a second pressing, because I want this, but not THAT much.
>What about a U.S.A. release, or other countries?

The cassette single for "Hope of Deliverance" is widely available.

The CD single should be out, but it has been delayed by a week or so.
That should also be readily available by the end of January.

Perhaps your record retailer is referring to a vinyl single?
Capitol had no intention of a vinyl release, with CD and "cassingle"
taking over as the dominant form(s).

Incidentally, has anyone out there seen the "Hope of Deliverance" video
which Paul apparently filmed in London late last year?

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: ralley@math.ohio-state.edu (Thomas G Ralley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Paul's new song
Date: 24 Jan 1993 09:51:15 -0500
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In article <1993Jan24.020658.12252@ultb.isc.rit.edu> wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Macca released a single to dance clubs in Britain, called "Deliverance",
>which is a techno remix of all the tracks on the upcoming album,

thanks for the update! Is there any word about a release of "Deliverance" being
delivered to the US market, or will this be another of the "Europe only"
singles?

David
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Subject: Re: Parodies of Abbey Road cover
From: hartig@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott E Hartig)
Date: 19 Jan 93 22:34:42 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Sender:hartig@en.ecn.purdue.edu

In article <740061@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand) writes:
>> Could people send me any others they know of?  (also parodies of any other
>> beatles covers)

I would hardly call myself a fan of theirs, but I recently saw an album
cover of the Red Hot Chili Peppers in which all four of them were walking
along a similar street with similar poses with no clothing on.  A couple of
them had socks covering their "peppers":-)

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From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Paul's Tour Dates???
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
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Have any Cities or States been finalized?  Dates???

Please post or e-mail if already been answered.

Thanks!
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Paul's new song
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:37:29 -0000
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In article <1993Jan24.020658.12252@ultb.isc.rit.edu> wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Allright.  Obviously a few people came in late, so here's a recap:
>Macca released a single to dance clubs in Britain, called "Deliverance",
>which is a techno remix of all the tracks on the upcoming album,
>"Off the Ground", due out Feb 9.  He did it as a lark, but within  less
>than a week it was #9 on the Dance charts.  Only five hundred were pressed,
>and due to their scarcity they're pretty much sold out, in high demand,
>and causing the rest of us to complain and hold our collective breaths
>until they give a second pressing(preferably much larger).

	I would imagine they've made a second pressing, though still
in very limited numbers, as it IS now available in the UK. I got hold of a
copy on Friday, and it doesn't have 'DJ Promo Only' or whatever on it
so presumably it is a general release. If it isn't and is extremely
valuable, then I'm open to offers - (will swap for Butcher sleeve) ;-)
	It consists of the bog-standard 'Hope Of Deliverance' and
two Steve Anderson remixes called 'Deliverance' and 'Deliverance
(Dub)'. Both are full of the usual techno trimmings, drums, keyboards
etc. with some samples thrown in. The main sample on the 'dub'
version is the 'hope' from the normal song, though there's other
'woahs' and so-on from an easily recognisable McCartney thrown in.
	I wouldn't say it was a remix of ALL the tracks from his
new album, though it is probalby too difficult to judge. The
sampled vocals do seem to be from only 'Hope of Deliverance' though -
you can't really hear any other songs at all. 
	The oddest thing on it is the sound of someone eating
carrots (?) which is very remeniscent of the Beach Boys' 'Vegetables'.
Did Paul sample it? Would he need to since he was eating the
vegetables on the Beach Boys' record in the first place? 
	The sleeve is not particularly exciting, indicating a rush
release, consisting of just a white-die cut bit of cardboard with a
label on it...but still, it only cost me #3, so I had plenty of
money left over to spend on Wings tapes...
					...Jonathan Morris
From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Automatic Double Tracking (ADT)
Keywords: ADT
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:49:09 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Artificial Double Tracking is a simple but effective technique of taking one
vocal track (or any other instrument, actually) and making it sound like two.
The main idea is to feed the original signal through along with a delayed one.
This makes it sound like there's two voices (or whatever).
In the old days, they did this by taking the signal from one tape machine and
feeding it to another.  This second machine would record it, but also have a
playback head slightly further down the tape which would send the signal back
to the first machine, but slightly delayed.  Then the two signals could be
combined on the first machine.
This could also be done with an oscillator on the second machine, which would
vary the speed.  This leads to another interesting technique which is "phasing".
This happens if you continually adjust the speed of the second machine,
alternately speeding it up and slowing it down so that the first machine will
lag and the second will lead for a short time, then the reverse will happen.
It gives a kind of swirly feel.  There's a bit of phasing at the end of Paul's
new single, "Hope of Deliverance", but I'm sure they didn't do it this way.
These days, you can do everything electronically.  Simply apply an electronic
delay to the signal and feed it back into the original, and you've got your
ADT.
ADT, by the way, was invented by Ken Townsend, a technical engineer at Abbey
Road studios back in the 60's.  Stuart Eltham, a balance engineer there, is
the one who actually coined the phrase "Automatic Double Tracking", though.
- Jeff
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