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From: egedi@ahwenasa.cis.upenn.edu (Dania M. Egedi)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Bisexuality runs in the family?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:08:02 GMT

Well, I had a totally different question (much more light-hearted)
that I was going to ask for my de-muffining, but something more 
important came up this morning, and I hadn't gotten around to asking 
the other yet, so....


Here's the situation:  my younger sister is bisexual, as am
I.  My mother knew about my younger sister, but not about me.
She has been quite accepting, but I was concerned about how she would
handle the idea of 2 (out of 4) of her children being bi.  Plus, she's
just been coming to terms with the fact that I was abused as a child by
one of the foster kids that my family kept.  I didn't want to put too much on 
her at once.  Well last night, my (also younger) brother called her to tell her
that he was either gay or bi (he's not sure yet).  My mother immediately made some
connection to the child abuse that I had suffered as a child, and asked him if
anything had happened to him.  My brother was very silent for a while, then
asked her to name someone.  My mom named my abuser (Johnny), and my brother started to
cry.  He said that when she said Johnny's name, it all kinda flooded back.

So, there are two issues here, at least in my mind; my mother thinks that
they are related.  Are they?  Anyway, the issue that made me post here
is that there are now (at least) 3 of the 4 children in my family 
identifying as bi.  Is there anyone else out there who is in a similar
situation?  How can I help my brother, who is having a much harder time of
this than either my sister or myself?  Is there anyone on the net in this
group from the Lex, KY area from whom I could find out about support groups in
that area?  Anyone whose helped a sibling come to terms with their
(g/l/b)sexuality?  Anyone with any insights as to if/how childhood abuse can
affect a person's sexuality in the future?  Any ideas of how to convince my
mother that this is not 'her fault', and that she should be proud of her
children instead?


 - Thanks for any help... Dania
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"One sign of an impending nervous breakdown is the belief 
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:45:27 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <36303@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>
>Of course lately I've been hearing about a certain Puerto Escondido
>in the southern costal Pacific area of Mexico...


Puerto Escondido?  Are you a surfer, John? :)  

BTW, I happened to be sponging near Bolinas (Calif.) on Tuesday, and s
introduced to some low-tide hot springs among the starfish and musseled
rocks.  About twenty people were enjoying this monthly experience, and it
was rather wonderfully a mix of Lesbian/Gay/Bi/male/female/adult/child/etc!

Perhaps a place for the soc.bi beach thing?  :-)

__________________
Djelrik

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: scotth@hoshi.corp.sgi.com (Scott Henry)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:40:13 GMT


>>>>> In article <17135@acorn.co.uk>, osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:

osmith> "Are You Being Served?" is an extremely funny series. It ran for years
osmith> and years and years. The humour is distincty "British" or maybe even
osmith> "English" in flavour. There are still repeats of it from time to time.
osmith> I would not be at all surprised if you can get it on Video in the UK.

It was shown for a while on the PBS station KTEH in the San Francisco
Bay Area, and is currently running on KQED (the bigger PBS station in
the Bay Area). I think Mr Humphreys even told gay jokes on himself...
but his character was very ambivalent.

=-=-
--
 Scotty (.signature under construction.......)
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: On sex with men
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:28:23 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <62768@cup.portal.com> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
>I think I have seen this myself. Although my experience is limited, my former
>gay lover was more (what is the word) I guess animalistic than the bi lover I
>have been with. More agressive and energetic(?). Not that I mean any of this
>derogatory to either on.
>
>I think this requires further study, Perhaps we could set up a research pro-
>ject complete with detailed experiments. What do you say?
>

I say "Where do I sign up to volunteer?"
*wink* *giggle*



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: queer jokes
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:19:18 GMT

I heard that while I was away somebody posted asking for a list of GLBO
jokes. I am very interested in this. Was a summary of the jokes posted?
Can somebody send me the email address of the person who requested the
jokes?


<> IQ describes how big your gas tank is, but it doesn't tell
<> if you're running on empty.
<> --- Harvey Newstrom (hnewstro@x102c.ess.harris.com)

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bay Area Beach Thing
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 21:41:49 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus
Keywords: peace, love, and happiness

In article <36128@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.034017.9178@koko.csustan.edu> dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis) writes:
>+	Well, no.  What you do is up to you, but that really wasn't what I
>
>Nudity should not be interpreted as an invitation to sex. But then
>just being nude should not prohibit flirting, nor inviting. I.e. by

	good points 

>So to reiterate, nudity does not equal sexual advance, but nudity
>should not prohibit such either (ok I'll compromize, nudity in the
>'proper' environment shouldn't be a prohibition).

	Okay, seems I misinterpeted :)  Let's just go to the beach, with
clothing as an *option*, of course, and have a good time.  In other words,
do your own thing!  
	(...er, I guess this last sentence could be mean something else,
entirely.  <gri )

Djelrik
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9990 soc.motss:33349
From: alan@ninja.osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Documentary on Bisexuality -- Call for Participants
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:30:11 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Originator: alan@pluto.osf.org

[Sent to soc.bi, soc.motss, BiAct-L, Bisexu-l.]

Posted for someone who does not have Internet access.
Please contact her, not me.

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	Documentary on Bisexuality -- Call for Participants

I am producing a documentary on bisexuality.  The film highlights
bisexuality as an individual's choice and as a viable sexual identity.
It's objective is to educate people about bisexuality and dispel
misconceptions about it.  The "story" will be told by the participants
themselves, rather than through formal narration.

I have gotten a lot of support and participants from the Boston and
New York communities.  I would like to include people from other
places, and include as much diversity in age, race, gender, and
personal philosophy as possible, to represent bisexuality as fairly as
possible (within my financial and time constraints.)

If you have something to say or share on this issue... regardless of
that it is, I DO WANT TO HEAR IT.  Especially if you are 50+ years of
age and consider yourself bisexual or are part of a bisexual
relationship, I would truly like to hear your point of veiw.

If you are seriously interested in participating and/or obtaining more
information, please contact Jayne Sportelli at 617-734-0863 or at 125
Western Avenue, Boston, Massachusetts 02134.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David Anthony Wyatt)
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series: THE LIST
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:30:20 GMT

In <17263@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>Why did you feel the need to explicitly state that Batman wasn't on the
>list?

When you really think about how Batman and Robin were portrayed in the old
TV series, it's easy to put just the slightest "alternative" spin on the
facts and details, and conclude that they were a couple.  I saw some humour
in it so that's the way I closed the list.  Perhaps I should have closed with
Ernie and Bert from SESAME STREET instead.  Those two guys living together for
all these years, sharing a bedroom...  And why is it Bert is always so 
interested in Ernie's baths?  Even Jim Hensen joked about Ernie and Bert, at
an awards show in the year or so before his death (Emmys, Oscars, Peoples'
Choince, something like that).  He joked he didn't know what kind of 
relationship it was they had, but he knew it worked.
-- 
---David Wyatt          
Internet:  wyatt@ccu.UManitoba.CA                  Continuing Education Division
Bitnet:    WYATT@UOFMCC                          University of Manitoba DOWNTOWN
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yet Another X-Muffin
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:35:45 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: News Addicts

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>	mad, bad, and mad, bad, and mad, bad, and... head-recursive

You appear to have developed a lisp.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: dente@els.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The Big One
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:34:54 GMT
Reply-To: dente@els.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester

In article <YL6MBLKB@dri.com>, cmclark@dri.com (Chip Clark) writes:
|> dente@els.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
|> 
|> ]Here's a hug -->*HUG*<--  The welcome wagon will be along shortly...
|> 
|> ]Colin
|> 
|> Bring that little wagon this a way!!!
|> 
|> My last article was my de-muffining!

(Belated) *pounce*  Hah! caught you unawares...  Hello.  Have a cuddle
-*cuddle*-

Sorry for the delay - but I've been too busy sitting at home being lazy for
the past week...

Welcome to soc.bi
*hug*

Colin

-- 
  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
   ... Blatantly Bisexual ...     | B3/4 f+ c g+(+) k(+) r s
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Life does funny things sometimes
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:25:50 GMT
 <1992Jul22.150841.3472@HQ.Ileaf.COM>
 <1992Jul24.221824.28920@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <1992Jul25.102736.21446@news.acns.nwu.edu> <40104@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Maine System

my apologies if my rather long followup to thsi thread appears
twice.  my disk freaked out on me while i was tryign to post
it, and i don't knwo whetehr the first time i tried to post it, it
actually went anywhere...
                                             -ailsa
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Clive's Pictures of the Party...
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:39:45 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>Kate once got an erect penis back from Boots ... oh, we did that one
>already, sorry <blush> ...

8 years of work in the bisexual movement, organising three conferences,
working on 2 phonelines, appearing on television, many other activities,
and what is Kate going to be remembered for? :-)

Dave.
--

		    That's *Dr* Pervert to you!
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:30:08 GMT


>In article <asuccop.712306808@milton> asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>>
>>	i don't mind het men being turned on by two women; what i don't
>>	like is when they're obnoxious (esp to *me*) about it.

I don't know about the het men, alls I know is that this hot bi babe
is terribly turned on my the thoughts of two womem  :-)

Fond, Fond memories.

Iseult.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:43:27 GMT

In article <Bs6DAr.35H@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:

>others on other discrimination and social issues, but are omniscient by any
						       ^^^
^are^aren't

See, if I was omniscient, I would have noticed the mistake.

>Brad


Brad
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bay Area Beach Thing
Keywords: peace, love, and happiness
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:50:30 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1992Jul23.091743.20802@koko.csustan.edu> dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis) writes:
> 
> So, I propose a nude beach party for sometime in the early Fall. 
> 
> Djelrik <who's already nude, as usual>  :-)
>                                         


Well, I can often wangle a business trip to the west coast and I've
got a buy-one-get-one-free ticket coupon for my SO.  A party 1/2 as good
as the Edinburgh one sounds wonderful.  Anybody object to getting their
photo taken, please let me know and I won't take it.  Since I have my
own darkroom, there will be no problems with certain subject matter
on the celluloid.

BTW, I can offer a confidential film processing service (Black and White
only) to soc.bi folk.  For all the support I get from this group, offering
this as cost seems like one way to put something back into the group.
Besides, I'll get to look at your photos too!  I'm quite serious about
the confidential aspect.  

Looking forward to fun-in-the-sun.

Nigel
--
"It is an infantile superstition of the human spirit that virginity would be
thought a virtue and not the barrier that separates ignorance from knowledge"                                                                       Voltaire
Nigel Burnett:  business: 3030 Orlando Dr., Mississauga, Ont.,  416-672-2100
Send e-mail to nigel@isgtec.com, uunet.ca!isgtec!nigel, or nigel@isgtec.UUCP
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:15:05 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <24075@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
:ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:
:
:>In article <iw.711753605@tosser>, iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) said:
:[stuff]>>
:>><Enormous hint>  I should be London/Dublin in Sept.
:
:>well, that certainly sounds like it would fit in with various other
:>plans that I've heard...Ang?  Peter?
:
:Me me me me!  For Iseult, Elaine, Ang and Peter, I could fit in with
:plans like that!  Then there's also the itinerant Ciaran ... altho I
:might very well have problems with the Dublin aspect actually.  But keep
:planning!

I'll be in London in September too!  (Actually that's no surprise.
I live here :-(  (the address in the header lies, if you hadn't
twigged by now...)

G
PS Sara - you might see Elaine sooner than September - when are you
going to California?  Is it San Francisco?  And you Elaine?
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Look who's back - (was Re: Coming Out)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:29:16 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) wrote...
>>Aww, don't tell me there was some bbq-ripple at that party and I missed it!
>>(Not to mention the chance to lick it off Ciaran, or anybody). Not fair :-(
>>
>>/jon (the other one who likes bbq-ripple)
>
>No, Sara banned it.  (And I certainly didn't object.)
>I think she threatened to use her clippers on anyone who brought it.
>
>Ellen

It would have been worth it. Wonder what I would look like with short hair?


/jon (the fearless)
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cullen@tree.egr.uh.edu (Caleb Cullen)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Keywords: Just a harmless little old survey...
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:06:54 GMT


>>[cullen@tree.egr.uh.edu]
>>[Those who declare themselves bi]
>>-outside this forum- are primarily at the low end of the Kinsey scale.   
>>(We are exceptions, friends)
>
>I guess I must be an exception to the exception then. ;-)

That intrigues me.  (My experience is limited by the number of other bi's  
I know.  I need more experience so I won't seem so naive (I wonder why  
that is :>))
It also leads me to beg the survey: How many of you who consider yourself  
bisexuals would say you're 4 or higher on the Kinsey scale, and howmany  
would claim to be 3 or lower?  Some say 1&2's are het's, 4&5's (&>) are  
homosexuals, and what but 3 is left over for bi's?  I know I'm not a 3...
(Something about this topic seems slightly taboo...but I can't put a  
finger on it.)

>BTW, welcome.

Thanks.  It's nice to finally feel at home...
-----
Caleb Cullen
cullen@tree.egr.uh.edu
I know I'm a silly person; you don't have to tell me specifically!
(Unless you feel strongly about it...)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: YOUNG AND QUEER REPOSTED
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:14:43 GMT

Terrence,
Thanks for reposting the article!
-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh soc.bi party
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:42:03 GMT

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

>Clive burbles..

>Well, I know some of what/whom and even, later, with what you were doing..

>Tanaqui, winking at Iseult in party-provocative mode    

I think I already prostituted myself transatlantically to get the dish
on the sinbin episode.  All the same I am just melting at that wink ....

I plan on getting my hands on cutie-pie Ellen and her photographs, so 
I expect I will hear all the sticky, sweaty secrets.

Iseult - who keeps chanting "I will go to Edinburgh the next time, I will .."
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:43:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: unicorn.01010066.92ait7
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Jul13.233243.242@koko.csustan.edu> (soc.bi), dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis) writes:
> 	What a pleasurable surprise!  <Djelrik caught slightly off-guard>
> Sincere thanks for the groovy words on my 30th!  :-)

Glad you like.  Although I would love to take full credit for the great
words, I'm afraid I must give credit where credit is due.  The words
are stolen from a Hallmark card.  They have, however, been the
traditional way of expressing birthay greeting in my family ever since
the second person in  the family received that card.  The card is
actually much better, it has the images of the animals rather than just
the words.
> 
> <smooch>

Smooches all gratefully received and returned with interest.  Lots of
interest. :-)
> 
> yabadabadoo!
>   ____  
>   \  /
>    \/ Djelrik  (dsolis@koko.csustan.edu)
> 

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Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:58:22 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul28.034243.12508@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:

[my own post deleted]
First, I appreciate this response to my post. Albert pinpointed
exactly what I was trying to say, in pointing out the reaction in a
small context. He, admirably, expanded upon it.  

>
>I want to comment on this, because in one sense, this reaction is
>something that some heterosexuals and some homosexuals have in common:
>They can see bisexuals as a threat because of the blurring of 
>boundaries - both of communities and within one's self image.

It may also be because I have developed in me a hostility to nearly
all things straight, or things that appear to be (Yes, I too make the
mistake of automatically assuming that people in motos couples are
straight.).  And thus, I have developed a hostility toward even the
slightest such tendencies in myself. I almost feel hetersexuality is a
threat to my sexuality, and bisexuality even moreso because it is a
manifestation of the fluidity of sexuality, which could include my
slight tendencies.



>This is why I stress people's self-evaluation of their sexuality
>over some hypothetical "objective" critera.  Very few of us
>are perfect examples of some ideal type. The existence of some
>potential for bisexuality does not mean we should invalidate 
>someone's gay (or straight) sexual identity.  Bisexuals
>should not be called into question because they don't fit
>mythic critera like exactly equal attraction to both sexes or
>concurrent motss and motos relationships.
>
>(I think this trend is related to the threads in our society which 
>deny the value of personal choice and which defer to authority.)
>
>I want to advocate an understanding of sexuality which does not
>deny one truth for the sake of another, which can encompass
>gay, lesbian, bisexual and heterosexual identities.

I agree, but its going to mean that somebody has to venture out onto
the ice first.


>I hope you will understand that I'm basically argeeing with
>what you said -- in the sense of finding it an understandable
>reaction, and trying to fit it into what I see as a larger
>pattern.

And you accomplished it rather well.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi