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From: alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO ((Alf Christophersen))
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Searching Ester Lampark or descendants of her.
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:31:05 GMT
Reply-To: "(Alf Christophersen)" <alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO>
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From my father cousin I got the name Ester Lampark, Green Street, Racine,
Wisconsin today. She should be a relative of me.

Could some of you in Wisconsin area check the directory to find any of this
name or surname?

Please answer by private E-mail.

I hope she would have some infor about descendants of the brothers and
sisters of my great-grandfather Christian Thorbj|rnsen from Krager|, Norway.

Alf Christophersen
Roots-L list owner
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: O'Fearna family name research.
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:36:03 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Sep8.125145.854@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_ofearnask@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>I am researching my family tree.
>My last name is O'Fearna.  If anyone is currently researching this name
>or if anyone knows anything about this name.  Please help me.

Melvyl notes.... that the search for O'Fearna turns up John Ford
Here is an example..

Title:  William Fox presents "The Iron horse" : a romantic picture of
the East and the West! / directed by John Ford, and Sid
Grauman's prologue of decided innovations..... [s.l. : s.n.,
1925?]
Description:    4 p. : ill. ; 18 cm.

Notes:  Cover title.
Film program of The Iron horse and prologue "The days of
1863-1869."

Subjects:       Iron horse (Motion picture)

Other entries: Ford, John, 1895-1973.
Grauman, Sid.
The days of 1863-1869.


Any Movie Buff know if O'Fearna is his real name??

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:38:24 CDT
Reply-To:     nhartman@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU
From:         nhartman@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU
Subject:      Swedish question
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Is anyone on the network from the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center,
Augustana College, Rock Island, IL?

I would like information about SVAR microfiche sales.

Handwritten note in my book to get Swenson Center News #5.
Do they publish a Newsletter?
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: these wonderful people
Summary: Eureka
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:49:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuData Inc.

I'm gushing. My heart is pounding. I just spoke with a man who is a 2nd cousin 
once removed.  Whatever - he's a relative.

This is a new experience for me as this whole roots thing has been a big 
mystery to me for far too many years and I never really did anything about it. 
I've certainly not found out any great big secrets yet.

Yesterday, on a hunch I asked here if there were any listings of Winkes in the 
Brooklyn or Baltimore phone books. It was a hunch because the son of the 
sister of my great-great-grandfather had told the Redemtorists (he was a 
priest) that he had a sister named Mary Winkes living in Baltimore. This 
information came to me from the archives of the Brooklyn Province of the 
Redemptorist order, apparently from his will.

Well, the Edward Winkes that the below three netfolks so far told me about:

Margie Layfield
MLAYFIED@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV

Mary Schwartz
radamaryb@ube.ub.umd.edu

Warren Wortman

is the last surviving son of this lady. 


Why am I so excited? Well, I'm an immigrant to this country myself and really 
have no family here except my own.  But back in 1865 two sisters and a brother
went to America and the rest of that family stayed in Germany.  In tracing my
own roots back in Germany I found out about these people leaving and now I've
made contact again almost a hundred and thirty later.

The man had this vague recollection about his grandmother (he was born in 
1917) having come from Germany, Hamburg he thought and he wasn't even close.
Unless of course the ship left Hamburg.  But the GM came from
Cloppenburg/Oldenburg where her dad was born in 1802.  He is our direct common
ancestor.  Exciting stuff this is.

Thanks much to the three above mentioned people. You've made my day.

I suspect others will also look up the Baltimore phone book and more responses 
will be forthcoming. This is the greatest group on the net. Thank you all for 
being so helpful.

I'll be planning a trip to Baltimore ASAP and before I head off to Germany so
I can report the news of the discovery of the American branch.

Fred


 

-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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X-VMS-Cc: PTHOMAS
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:18:00 EST
Reply-To:     "Percy Thomas, Winnipeg MB" <PTHOMAS@MBRSWI.AGR.CA>
From:         "Percy Thomas, Winnipeg MB" <PTHOMAS@MBRSWI.AGR.CA>
Subject:      Iowa court records
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I am beginning a search for an american court record, but have never
done this sort of thing before.  I am after any trace of the trial of
Thomas Jefferson Lowe, who was tried (and acquitted) in Delaware Co.
IA, probably in 1845 or 1846, for killing a neigbour.  Apparently this
was the first trial in Delaware Co.  I have just learned that a
distant cousin (who lives in IA) has been looking for this record for
many years, with no luck.  She has checked federal records (this was
before statehood) and down to local courts, as well as the few early
newspapers that she could find.  She also had a lawyer check records
in Dubuque, where Thomas Jefferson was incarcerated.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions that would help me in this
quest.

Percy Thomas

pthomas@mbrswi.agr.ca
From: howie@cfarer.boeing.com (Howie Modell)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Modell/Model/Gabrilowitz family
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:31:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.roots
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group

My sister and I (she's really doing the research; I'm providing computer
support and net-access) are researching our family tree, and any
information leading to relatives is welcome.

We know that our grandfather, who was variously known as Leon, Edward, or
Eli
Modell, was the oldest of 10 siblings.  There were 9(?) boys, the youngest
of whom was my great-uncle Boris who died about a decade back at the age of
80, and 1(?) girl.  The family comes from Eastern Europe, somewhere in the
Lithuania/Poland/Russia area.  Apparently the spelling may have been Model
at one time.  Uncle Boris emigrated to Uruguay back at the beginning of
this century and changed the family name to Modelis.  We know some of his
children/grand-children went to Israel.

My grandmother's maiden name was Cecelia Grabsky.

My great-grandfather's given name was Samuel.

On the other side of the family, we're hunting Gabrilowitz' (though this
has also been Gunzburg/de Gunzburg/de Gabriel).

+----All opinions expressed are mine and *NOT* my employers!----+
   howard modell, Boeing Defense & Space group, Seattle, WA
         howie@cfarer.boeing.com, h.modell@online.com,
         h.modell@ieee.org,   72376.252@compuserve.com
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Cemetery Recording Program
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 16:42:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

The following file is available for anonymous ftp at hallc1.cebaf.gov

It is available for file request on Fidonet from 5:7101/22, where it will be 
available at V32 or HST speeds

CEM051   LZH   195834 92-08-29 12:52 Cemetery Recording Program v 0.51

This is a test version of a program for local history societies, family 
history societies and similar organizations to record tombstone inscriptions. 

I announced it earlier this week, but have only now managed to get it sent 
to an ftp site.

The main aim of distributing it at this stage is so that people who are 
interested will test it and submit bug reports to the authors. The program 
has been developed after extensive discussions in this echo and in 
GENEALOGY.EUR over the last couple of years. The people who are interested, 
and who have participated in the discussions, should get hold of a copy and 
test it. It should not be put to serious use yet, but should be used with 
test data only.

I have sent a copy on disk to Mike Fisher of 2:440/50@Fidonet so that he can 
release it into the Genealogy Software Distribution System (GSDS) on Fidonet.

I will also try to send it by ftp to Simtel20, but there are no guarantees 
about that.

Steve Hayes
P O Box 7648, Pretoria
0001 South Africa


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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Winkes in Baltimore this time
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:58:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuData Inc.

In 1951 a Mrs Mary Winkes lived in Baltimore at 3713 Woodridge Rd

Is there anybody from Baltimore here who could see if there are any Winkes 
listed in the city or in greater Baltimore?  I'd really appreciate any phone
numbers unless there are too many to list which I doubt because this seems a
rather rare name here in NJ and Phila.  IE none.

Fred
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU"
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:21:48 -0400
Reply-To:     "PAUL BODURTHA, HARTWICK COLLEGE, ONEONTA,
              NY" <BODURTHAP@HARTWICK.EDU>
From:         "PAUL BODURTHA, HARTWICK COLLEGE, ONEONTA,
              NY" <BODURTHAP@HARTWICK.EDU>
Subject:      National Archives microfilm
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

To the Bill Green/R. Bettencourt information on the National Archives
MIcrofilm Rental Program,  add one small bit of information:  To the $25.00
for the "Startup Kit" add $3.00 for postage and handling.  This information
received from National Archives in a letter postmarked 9/5/92.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:39:55 EDT
From: <F8R@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Does anyone have the tel.no. for Genie in the central Mass. (Worce


According to my GEnie users services manual (1990 edition), the Client
 Services number is  1-800-638-9636. They should be able to help you find
 the access number you want.
                            mel
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:58:00 EST
Reply-To:     JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
From:         JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      How to change bitnet to internet on Roots-L

Could some kind soul on Roots-L inform me directly over internet
(JMFREED@cc.owu.edu) how to change my roots-l bulletin board connection
from bitnet to internet?  I've not received any roots-l for ca 48 hours,
even though I have even sent a message, and my local expert indicates that
certain places in Ohio (?) are experiencing difficulties with BITNET, but
not INTERNET.  Thanks in advance!!
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Organization: SUNY Central Administration
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:38:23 EST
Reply-To:     PETER BRICKMAN <BRICKMPD@SNYCENVM.BITNET>
From:         PETER BRICKMAN <BRICKMPD@SNYCENVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Test Message

This is a test to see if this message is getting through.  I have not received
any messages from Roots-L since Wednesday or Tuesday this week.
In fact a file that I requested via Bitnet on Wednesday has not come in yet.

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From: alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO ((Alf Christophersen))
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Why not a soc.roots.tiny-tafel?
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:31:05 GMT
Reply-To: "(Alf Christophersen)" <alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO>
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Comments: To: "(Roots-l)" <Roots-L@Vm1.Nodak.Edu>

Ellen Keyne Seebacher writes:
>In article <716083996snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk>
> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
>>With the recent suggestion that Tiny Tafels be psoted to soc.roots for
>>cross posting to Fidonet the traffic in this group is becoming excessive.
>>Whilst I don't want to discourage the exchange of information perhaps the
>>TTs ought to be split off in to a separate groups (soc.roots.tiny-tafel or
>>some such)?

>It's a fine idea, except that it would cause a problem for those
>people who read soc.roots as the BITnet mailing list "ROOTS-L".  There
>really isn't a good way to gate ROOTS-L postings into two different
>newsgroups, though it's possible that the volume from the BITnet side
>wouldn't be enough to matter.

>Alf?
Yes? I think this should be a matter of soc.roots. We simply can't import it
to Roots-L. If done, then in next turn it will be sent to soc.roots since it
didn't come from soc.roots :-) and then we have it all going! (Maybe there
could be a fix to this, but I don't have the time to bother about analyzing
what should be done, and I don't believe Marty Hoag has the time either,
neither the writer of the Listserv. So, if people want to have this service
available, let it be on soc.roots. The other possibility could be an other
distribution list, but if so, some voluntary has to step forward to do the
nitty-gritty. I for my part has more than enough with Roots-L and I for my
part would also say that people interesting in this, either should log on a
Tiny-tafel BBS directly to upload it or send it to the person who has
volunteered to relay them as a private mail. (If I see many of the TT's
pouring down the soc.roots/roots-L group, I will look into banning them on
the Roots-L part. They are of primary use only to the sender and the receiver
who shall submit them to the TT-match system. The only use in future is for
those very few people who has started to use the database facillty of the
listserv system. If you do searches for a surname, you may get the E-mail
address of someone adding a TT using Roots-L. This is the only public use I
see at the moment :-)


The Roots-L list owner has thus spoken.
--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
From: Les.Fenton@p243.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Les Fenton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Fenton
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1992 20:52:25

Karen,
 I have turned USRoots back on in the hope that I can get in
 touch with you again. If you receive this message, please
 send me what information you can on your FENTON line to the
 following address:

                     Leslie E. Fenton
                     718 Kensington Lane
                     Mansfield, TX  76063-2819

 Any information that you can provide will be greatly
 appreciated. I am currently collecting all FENTON
 information to try to help tie FENTONs together and help
 other researcher's of this name at no cost. Thanks in
 advance for your help. Looking forward to getting your
 reply via US Mail or the Net.



 * Origin: Another Inquiring Point (1:124/4115.243)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Willcutt line
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 22:23:20 GMT

My mother and I found some pictures this weekend while cleaning out
a closet. There were two pictures of young women identified as
Marcia Willcutt and Adelenia (not sure of the spelling as
handwriting was smudged) Willcutt. They appear in several other
photos of apparent family groups. Clothing for some of these photos
appears to be Civil War vintage.  I believe that this is my father's
mother's mother's line. They are probably from PA, possibly Bloomsberg
(Bloomsburg).My grandmother was born in Rockford, MN.

Anyone with any information about a Willcutt would be appreciated!
I don't even know what the nationality is, German, English?

Help!

Thank you,
Diane
From: klein@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles A Klein)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: LDS data non-availability by the net-- my theory
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:47:44 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

There has been a great deal of discussion on whether the possibility of hackers
is the main reason on why the LDS don't make their databases available on
the network.  Here is my theory:
   At their family history centers there are signs that saying that microfilm
can't be taken from their churches because it could cause legal problems for theLDS church.  By this I assume that they mean that they could be construed as
a genealogy business and not as a religion by the IRS.
  Extending this reasoning would imply that making the data available on the netmight also be construed as a business.
  Just my theory.

Chuck Klein
klein@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: Why not a soc.roots.tiny.tafel?
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:13:16 +0000

With the recent suggestion that Tiny Tafels be psoted to soc.roots for
cross posting to Fidonet the traffic in this group is becoming excessive.
Whilst I don't want to discourage the exchange of information perhaps the
TTs ought to be split off in to a separate groups (soc.roots.tiny-tafel or
some such)?

I doned my asbestos suit and have very think skin. But what say ya'all?

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Trevor Jenkins                                   Radio: G6AJG
134 Frankland Rd, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, WD3 3AU
email: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk
phone: +44 (0)923 776436

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:43:33 EDT
Reply-To:     Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
From:         Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fees for records in other countries (Thank You)
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

To everyone that responded to my query about sending for records
in another country, THANK YOU.

In asking my question, I have learned that there are several ways to
send the proper fee to the English Records office, but I have to
find out the proper fee first (it won't make much sense to send the
proper information with the incorrect fee).  Once I know the proper
cost, I have the information I need to send it in.  Thanks again for the
help!

- Chris Munnelly

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
  Christopher P. Munnelly           (munnelly@Xylogics.COM)
  Searching: Broderick, Cadogan, Cahill, Carter, Casey, Leonard,
    McDonough, McGlew, McLane, Monnelly, Munnelly, O'Connell, Ogden
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: kem@csri.toronto.edu (Kem Luther)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Legal position of current genealogy
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:32:02 GMT
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

I am getting set to put together a genealogy which has been an ongoing
project in my family for 50 years.  But there may be a problem.  In
genealogies I have (self) published before, all of the players were
dead.  In this one, about a third of the people (out of about 1500) are,
I suspect, alive.

What are the legal implications of this?  I certainly see enough genealogies
on the shelf with lots of live actors.  But is this precedent enough?  Why
does the LDS Ancestral File not give information about persons potentially
alive?

Any thoughts on this, netland?

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Voice: 416-769-3112                                     kem@csri.toronto.edu
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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Cousin Riddle
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:13:33 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Andrew Callahan <callahan@sunburn.ec.usf.edu> writes:
>... Ellen Seebacher's "mother's father's mother," "mother's
>mother's mother" "mother's father's father" etc. question.

Actually, it's Brent Davies's question (he's since appeared here to
claim it :-)).

>I go by the rule that there are no half cousins, that one common ancestor
>is all that is needed to be a cousin.

Sure, if you're talking about family attachments -- just like my parents
used to tell me not to distinguish between stepsiblings, adopted step-
siblings, half-siblings, and full siblings.  I don't (much :)) -- all
six of my siblings are just that.

However, the question was of interest for _genetic_ reasons too, and
I think writing it off with "there are no half cousins" rather misses the
point :).  Jim Freed's answer, posted here a couple of days ago, seems to
address the question rather neatly.

Thanks for your input, though!

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:51:19 -0500
Reply-To:     RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
From:         RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
Subject:      RE-RE: e_access to LDS database ???

Many rooters queried about this. The latest answer was from Drew Lawson
(Sep 1 1992) <lawson@acuson.com>:
> The second hand information I have heard is that there is no, and will be
> no, electronic access from outside to the LDS genealogical data.
The explanation being apparently that
> The information is considered too important to risk _any_ possibility of
> damage by hackers.

We all understand this grave concern. However, surely it can't be very hard
to _duplicate_ the computerized database, and then make only the copy
accessible to all by FTP, etc. (this copy could even be regularly cross-
checked automatically by the LDS specialists with the original, to verify
that no modification has been made by a crazy hacker; even easier: regular
back-ups; all this of course with total closure between the 2 systems, except
while verifying or backuping, during which external access would be closed).

But maybe there is another explanation. We are after all in the USA. Maybe...
the LDS people want to make sure that no one will have an electronic access
without PAYING ?  And making sure that a computer access is gate-paid in a
foolproof way might be difficult. I said "in the USA" -- well, I'm pretty
sure that if any sect in Europe, catholic, protestant or any other, would
have such a VALUABLE database, they would make us pay for it (in the name of
God of course). I could very well understand that the Mormons make us pay
if they were a profit-business organization; but, as they do it to save the
souls (?) of all our ancestors, they ought to be interested in pushing
everyone to access freely to their CD-ROMS etc., so as to collect more souls.

Or maybe I haven't understood anything about this soul business (sic) ??

Jean Paul Rigaut               University of Paris 7, France
rigaut@frurbb51