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From: bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: Modula 2 Compiler
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:59:09 GMT
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Santa Clara, Ca.

In <1992Nov3.154024.42531@urz.unibas.ch> balmer@urz.unibas.ch writes:

>Does anybody know of a modula 2 compiler for OS-9? Preferrably a compiler
>that generates assembler output which the can be processed by r68.

The OS-9 Sourcebook suggests Modula-2 68000 from:

Interface Technologies Corp
Suite 323
3336 Richmond
Houston, TX 77098 USA
(713)523-8422

This listing is a few years old, so your results may vary...
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From: plyall@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Pete Lyall)
Subject: GDB on OSK?
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:52:33 GMT

Has GDB been ported to OSK? If so, is it available via FTP?

Thanks!

Pete Lyall

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: ferguson@x102a.harris-atd.com (ferguson ct 71078)
Subject: Re: Information on OSK
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:09:05 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@x102a.ess.harris.com (ferguson ct 71078)    
Organization: Harris Corporation GSS, Melbourne, Florida

In article <1992Nov5.204909.20283@newshub.sdsu.edu> butler@saturn.sdsu.edu (Michael Butler) writes:
>In the latest FAQ of OSk that was published, this was said about
>the TOP shell 'sh':
>
>........     It supports aliasing, command-line editing, history,
>environment variable replacement, shell scripting, the `command`
>operator   .............
>
>I am trying to use it right now, and am able to get the aliasing and
>history functions to work.  I do not know how to use the command-line
>editing though.  Any hints ??
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike Butler
>butler@saturn.sdsu.edu
>


I tinkered with the bourne shell for a while (and gave up) and the
following is from memory.  First of all, the command line editing did
not work completely unless 'sh' was the login shell.  When executed as
a subshell to a 'shell' parent, only a few of the command line editing
commands worked.  Command history did not work at all unless 'sh' was
the login shell.

The command line editing key bindings are borrowed from emacs.  ^A
moves the cursor to the beginning of the line being edited.  ^E to the
end of the line.  ^D deletes the character under the cursor.  <RUBOUT>
deletes the character preceding the cursor.  There may be others, but
these are the most commonly used.  

Chuck Ferguson             Harris Government Information Systems Division
(407) 984-6010             MS: W1/7742  PO Box 98000  Melbourne, FL 32902
Internet:                  ferguson@x102c.ess.harris.com
Usenet:                    uunet!x102a!x102c!ferguson
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: boisy@microware.com (Boisy Pitre)
Subject: OS-9 UG Update
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:30:05 GMT

OS-9 Users Group Update                      11/09/92

New Faces
---------
Scott McGee has resigned as software librarian, and thus ends his service
as an officer of the OS-9 Users Group.  Thank you Scott for all of your
help in getting the Users Group to where it is today.

Zack Sessions has assumed the position of software librarian.  Zack's
knowledge of software sales, combined with his experience in OS-9 makes
him a perfect candidate for the task.

Zack has been steadily working at bringing new software into the OS-9
Users Group Software Library.  The next issue of MOTD will feature
a list of software we currently have available, as well as an order form 
and a submissions form.  Welcome aboard Zack!


New Address
-----------
Due to re-organization, the OS-9 Users Group now has a central address.
The other previous addresses merely served as bootstraps for us.
Folks, this one is here to stay:


                         OS-9 Users Group
                           PO Box 71131
                     Des Moines, Iowa  50325


MOTD
----
Our publication, MOTD, has made Users Group history by going from a
quarterly schedule to a bi-monthly one.  In addition to this move
Editor Alan Sheltra has purchased a new Macintosh desktop publishing
system, thus improving the quality of the MOTD even more.
(P.S.  Diehard OS-9er's, Alan has promised to get OS-9 for his Macintosh)


Electronic Forums
-----------------
At this time we are contacting several major electronic services for
OS-9 Users Group representative accounts.  This is a healthy move that
will put us in closer proximity to our members.


T-Shirts
--------
It appears that demand for our "Kick Butt In Real-Time" t-shirts have
surged.  To appeal the masses, we have ordered another run of the popular
in-your-face shirts.  Only 30 have been ordered, and some have been spoken
for already.  All shirts are made of 50% cotton, 50% polyester and feature
the OS-9 Users Group Logo on the back.


        Size          Member Price         Non-Member Price
        ----          ------------         ----------------
        L, XL         $13.00               $15.00
        XXL           $14.50               $16.50


Current Standing
----------------
At this time we have 114 paid members from around the world, and our
funds are adequate.  We are looking to incorporate right now, so if
anyone of our members or colleagues are in the legal profession, we
could use your services.

Respectfully submitted,
Boisy G. Pitre, President

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: butler@saturn.sdsu.edu (Michael Butler)
Subject: Re: Information on OSK
Organization: San Diego State University, Math Dept.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:49:09 GMT

In the latest FAQ of OSk that was published, this was said about
the TOP shell 'sh':

........     It supports aliasing, command-line editing, history,
environment variable replacement, shell scripting, the `command`
operator   .............

I am trying to use it right now, and am able to get the aliasing and
history functions to work.  I do not know how to use the command-line
editing though.  Any hints ??

Thanks,

Mike Butler
butler@saturn.sdsu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R. M. Cheselka)
Subject: Re: Information on OSK
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:43:53 GMT

In article <EeyxRFm00WB4Nh9moE@andrew.cmu.edu> rh2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Russell E. Hoffman, II) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.os9: 7-Nov-92 Re: Information on OSK by
>ferguson ct 71078@x102a. 
>> I tinkered with the bourne shell for a while (and gave up) and the
>> following is from memory.  First of all, the command line editing did
>> not work completely unless 'sh' was the login shell.  When executed as
>> a subshell to a 'shell' parent, only a few of the command line editing
>> commands worked.  Command history did not work at all unless 'sh' was
>> the login shell.
>
>Not so. If you have a .profile file in your home directory (specified by the
>environment variable $HOME), containing the single line
>
>history 40
>
>(or some other integer number of lines of history to save)
>
>then sh will read the .profile file and start history up whenever your run sh.
>If you look in the TOP stuff, there is a help file on sh, but I think
>it's in a wierd place, like in the CMDS directory.
>

I wish people would stop refering to the shell as 'sh', because it is an
early version of 'bash'...the Gnu 'Bourne Again SHell'.
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From: rh2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Russell E. Hoffman, II)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: Information on OSK
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:48:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EeyxRFm00WB4Nh9moE
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.os9: 7-Nov-92 Re: Information on OSK by
ferguson ct 71078@x102a. 
> I tinkered with the bourne shell for a while (and gave up) and the
> following is from memory.  First of all, the command line editing did
> not work completely unless 'sh' was the login shell.  When executed as
> a subshell to a 'shell' parent, only a few of the command line editing
> commands worked.  Command history did not work at all unless 'sh' was
> the login shell.

Not so. If you have a .profile file in your home directory (specified by the
environment variable $HOME), containing the single line

history 40

(or some other integer number of lines of history to save)

then sh will read the .profile file and start history up whenever your run sh.
If you look in the TOP stuff, there is a help file on sh, but I think
it's in a wierd place, like in the CMDS directory.

Hope that helps,
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Information on OSK
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:53:05 GMT

marten@tpki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann) writes:
>>Q: Where do I get OS9/68000 for the Atari ST?
>>A: Cumana [5] and Dr. Keil [6] offer two different ports of OS9 to the ST.
>
>Is Cumana still offering this package? There's seems to be no upgrade
>way to 2.4 of OS/9. But it's still a beautiful port ....

I saw a posting a few weeks ago that Cumana was selling off their last
copies of the ST port.  Ver 2.3 OSK with Sculptor and lots of other
extras for somewhere around $150-200.  Sounded like a good deal:
 
  Cumana
  Pines Trading Estate
  Broad St
  Guildford
  Surrey, GU3 3BH
  Tel:  +44 483 503 121

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: mellin@hpradigd.Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Reiner Mellin)
Subject: Re: Information on OSK
Originator: mellin@gsradig1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:25:18 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.074353.12552@cactus.org>, cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R. M. Cheselka) writes:
|> In article <EeyxRFm00WB4Nh9moE@andrew.cmu.edu> rh2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Russell E. Hoffman, II) writes:
|> >then sh will read the .profile file and start history up whenever your run sh.
|> >If you look in the TOP stuff, there is a help file on sh, but I think
|> >it's in a wierd place, like in the CMDS directory.
|> >
|> 
|> I wish people would stop refering to the shell as 'sh', because it is an
|> early version of 'bash'...the Gnu 'Bourne Again SHell'.

Well, a little bit trivia:

some years ago, various people concurrently hacked the minix-sh to run on
osk. As I can recall, it was Tom Leitner who did the starting point. Later on
I made serious bug-fixing and enhancements and finally the TOP-sh emerged.

'bash' has nothing to do with the TOP-sh.

Cheers
   Reimer

Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: Information on OSK
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 18:09:06 GMT
Organization: Private OS/2 System

In article <ceyGu9600YUnIiy4pk@andrew.cmu.edu> rh2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Russell E. Hoffman, II) writes:

>Q: Where do I get OS9/68000 for the Atari ST?
>
>A: Cumana [5] and Dr. Keil [6] offer two different ports of OS9 to the ST.
>

 Is Cumana still offering this package? There's seems to be no upgrade
way to 2.4 of OS/9. But it's still a beautiful port ....

 MF



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Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: bcwhite@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Brian C. White)
Subject: Re: Ultra C test results
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:27:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.200254.7954@bernina.ethz.ch> stp@bernina.ethz.ch (Stephan Paschedag) writes:
>
>gcc -O -ob -mnostack-check -m68020
>    -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-mem
>    -fcombine-regs                        30477      17774
>

I was just looking over your compile list for comparing the various
compilers and was surprised to see options like "-fcombine-regs" on
the same line as "-O" (for gcc, I should add).  I assumed that "-O"
automatically turned on all such optimization.  It would seem I was
mistaken.  What flags are turned on with "-O"?  Could you provide a
list?

                                        Brian

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From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: Information on OSK
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:25:23 GMT

cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R. M. Cheselka) writes:

[regarding the shell 'sh' which is part of the TOP package:]

>I wish people would stop refering to the shell as 'sh', because it is an
>early version of 'bash'...the Gnu 'Bourne Again SHell'.

I guess people refer to the shell which comes with TOP as sh since that
is what the name of the file is, sh.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: stevenw@disk.uucp (Steven Weller)
Subject: Re: Modula 2 Compiler
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 13:34:44 GMT

smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) writes:

>In article <Bx5zwv.KqM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bcwhite@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Brian C. White) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov3.154024.42531@urz.unibas.ch> balmer@urz.unibas.ch writes:
>>>At the university of basle we are desperately seeking for a good
>>>   modula 2 compiler
>>>Does anybody know of a modula 2 compiler for OS-9? Preferrably a compiler
>>>that generates assembler output which the can be processed by r68.
>>
>>The program p2c will accept modula-2 syntax (so the documentation states)
>>and generate compilable C code.  I currently use it as a pascal compiler
>>by having it translate my .p file into .c and then compiling that with GCC.

>We were using this program while I was at the University of Utah. While it
>seems to work well for pascal, we had problems using it with Modula-2 code.
>It seems to suffer from trying to treat Modula syntax as Pascal syntax and
>having problems when the semantics are different. I HAVE used it with some
>success but quickly droped back to a Modula-2 compiler due to limitations.
>Just wish I had a Modula compiler for OS-9 myself.

>Scott


>NOTE: my use of p2c was about 1-1/2 to 2 years ago and may not reflect current
>versions.



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>        butter side down! (Unless     *   opinions as anyone`s
>        it sticks to the ceiling!)    *   but my own?
>                  smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee)


There is a Modula-2 compiler for OS-9.  It is marketted by Real Time 
Associates in London, England.  We sold it in the U.S. for a while.
Contact Steve Collins at +44 81 656 7333 (voice) or +44 81 655 0401 (fax).
Sorry I don't have an email address.  Their modula-2 compiler is
a serious (and expensive) product.

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From: smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee)
Subject: Re: Modula 2 Compiler
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:54:12 GMT

In article <Bx5zwv.KqM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bcwhite@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Brian C. White) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.154024.42531@urz.unibas.ch> balmer@urz.unibas.ch writes:
>>At the university of basle we are desperately seeking for a good
>>   modula 2 compiler
>>Does anybody know of a modula 2 compiler for OS-9? Preferrably a compiler
>>that generates assembler output which the can be processed by r68.
>
>The program p2c will accept modula-2 syntax (so the documentation states)
>and generate compilable C code.  I currently use it as a pascal compiler
>by having it translate my .p file into .c and then compiling that with GCC.

We were using this program while I was at the University of Utah. While it
seems to work well for pascal, we had problems using it with Modula-2 code.
It seems to suffer from trying to treat Modula syntax as Pascal syntax and
having problems when the semantics are different. I HAVE used it with some
success but quickly droped back to a Modula-2 compiler due to limitations.
Just wish I had a Modula compiler for OS-9 myself.

Scott


NOTE: my use of p2c was about 1-1/2 to 2 years ago and may not reflect current
versions.



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From: bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: Ultra C test results
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:57:11 GMT
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Santa Clara, Ca.

In <1992Nov8.200254.7954@bernina.ethz.ch> stp@bernina.ethz.ch (Stephan Paschedag) writes:


>Hi !

>here are the first results of my tests of the new Ultra C compiler.

>If there is somebody who gets different results, please let me know. If there
>are options for Ultra C that force it to generate faster code, please tell me !

Use the '-t' and '-s' options, which you use to specify the relative
weightings for space allocation or time allocation.  Something like '-t=100'
will tell the compiler to pay far more attention to speed than code size, and
should make a substantial difference in your performance results.

Bill
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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Cumana ST Port? (was Re: Information on OSK)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:58:55 GMT

Re: Cumana port.  Here are some excerpts from a posting on other nets:

"[...] press release dated September 7th, 1992 from CUMANA, Ltd. Pines
Trading Estate Broad Street, Guildford, Surrey, GU3 3BH., England.
Tel:(0483)503121 Telex:859380 Fax No. 503326.  

"[...] The new package not only includes the professional edition of OS-9
but also contains a word processor with mailmerge and spell-checking,
a spreadsheet, a C compiler, a basic compiler, a screen editor and an
assembler with debugger and linker.  A complete set of manuals weighing
approximately 8Kg are also a part of this package.  [...]

"[...] A single-sided boot disk can be supplied but one double-sided drive
will be necessary to run the package.  Both the monochrome and the color
monitors are supported.  All ports including the MIDI ports are supported
with this version of OS-9.  The Atari hard drive is supported.

"[...instead of $900 US,] CUMANA offers their private purchaser package
at about $179.00 US plus shipping.  The shipping is rather expensive for
a five day delivery at $81.00 US; however, if 10 Atari users group together
(such as a club) then the individual shipping costs will be reduced.  To
send 10 packages, the shipment cost is about $219 air freight."

[end quotes]  Does anyone have any comments pro/con on this port?  Is there
any windowing system included or available?   Any other information?

thanks! - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: kl@aega84.UUCP (K. Lingnau)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Curses Sources for OS9
Keywords: Curses, OS9
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:53:45 GMT
Organization: AEG - A84, Frankfurt, West Germany



Hello,
A friend needs for his master degree a curses implementation running 
under os9. If somebody knows how to find the source code of
a "public domain" implemenation of curses for Unix or a unix like os,
please send me email. 
Any help appreciated.
Thanks in advance 

Karsten Lingnau

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From: walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SLS install in 2 MB
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:37:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx94ur.8wq
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I've got the SLS version and when I do a "doinstall" it tells me
I'm out of memory (I've only got 2 MB).

Is there anyway to get around this?
(I'm not going to buy more memory until it gets back to at least 
reasonable prices.)


					Todd Walk
					walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Joe source available ???
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:39:20 GMT
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI

a0045@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jochen Roderburg) writes:

>In article <ellis.720844245@nova> ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis) writes:

>   I just checked the availability of joe.  It is still available for anonymous
>   ftp at wpi.wpi.com in /stusrc.
>                  ^^^
>Make that wpi.wpi.edu and you will have more success :-)

Bad fingers!  Obviously if I had just checked them I was able to type it
once(well not really: I have a shell script that completes partial ftp names
for sites in my .netrc file).  Giving out slight misinformation is a good
way to frustrate a lot of people.  SORRY!


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