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From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:00:42 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

cro@socrates.ed.asu.edu (C. R. Oldham) writes:

>I received an unsolicited email message from abacus@global.gwinnet.com
>today.  It was blatantly advertising the services of Abacus Global
>Support, Inc.  I thought this kind of thing was illegal--or at least
>not within the spirit of the Internet!

Same problem here. There are no written rules concerning Usenet,
the unwritten rule is that no advertisemnts are sent. I suspect
that these idiots have gathered addresses from Usenet postings,
which is very simple, and have send e-mail to a selection of them.

I've already sent them a note telling me that they pissed me off
and that I will never give any business to them.

I'm not too familiar with US law concerning the gathering of
addresses, but it is illegal to have such a database in my country.
(I mean, you can have any database you want, but you must register
that fact and than there are some rules about having to
consent to being in the database, government exempted as always).

Automating these forms of advertising is very simple and furthermore
it is receiver paid and should therefor not be tolerated.

The last paragraph of my reply read:

`` May your mailbox overflow with hate mail ''

As you probaby know, this is an old Usenet curse.

How many more people have received e-mail from Abacus Global Support?

If a large number of people has received this shit, we'd better
take a firm stance and flame these people (out of business,
if need be).

(cross-posted to news.admin.misc as that group seems appropriate too,
the original article appeared in comp.mail.misc and includes
the advertisement)

Casper
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ( Hari Seldon     psychohistorian )
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:09:46 GMT

In <startrek.718217180@milton> startrek@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Breckenridge) writes:

>Actually, I'm just being facetious...I think you've really overblown the Abacus deal...remember, if you don't like a message, you can always - and easily - DELETE it! ;^>

but can i reverse the charges??

bill pociengel
--
llbi locgeenpi " i'm a little confused right now"
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:45:22 GMT

crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...

Imminent death of net predicted!

w. <wisner@netcom.com> <wisner@EBay.Sun.COM> Gryphon Gang Mountain View CA
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: agent86@netcom.com (Michael McBride)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.115945.29105@Gwinnett.COM> todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese) writes:
>
>They (Abacus) learned of their mistake within a short time.  People make
>mistakes in real life every day. Are those people of the net faultless??

Consider these maxims:

	Some mistakes are bigger than others.

	Mistakes have consequences, regardless of the original intent.


>Todd Reese                  | todd@Gwinnett.COM
>Gwinnett Computer Services  | {rutgers,ogicse,gatech}!emory!gwinnett!todd
>Atlanta(Duluth), GA         | 
>(404) 623 - 6374            |


-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
  Michael McBride		   |__"I've done...questionable things."-Roy
  [agent86@netcom.com]		   |~~"More human than human..."-Tyrell
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: martin@ucs.ubc.ca (Marilyn Martin)
Subject: sendmail logfile viewer
Organization: University of B.C., Network Management Centre
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:22:21 GMT

Greetings,

I have huge logs generated from sendmail via the syslogd.  I am
looking for some kind of utility that provides some ways of viewing
this logged information.  Such as, being able to view the entries
generated by messages from or to a particular address.  I'm sure
that someone at a site that handles a lot of sendmail traffic has
written something!

Thanks in advance and please respond via e-mail.  I'll summarize
if anything of interest shows up.  

        Marilyn Martin
        Network Management Centre            e-mail:     martin@netcom.ubc.ca
        6356 Agricultural Road               voice mail: 604-822-4127
        University of British Columbia       fax mail:   604-822-5520
        Vancouver, B.C.  Canada  V6T 1Z2
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:21:00 GMT

In <1992Oct3.182340.23202@infodev.cam.ac.uk> ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
writes:

> . . .  There was a recent case
> where an advertisement was submitted to some BITNET lists via a
> Brazilian university; an apology followed shortly from the university,
> and added that the person's network access had since been revoked.

And the next thing he did was to get himself an account on MCI Mail and again 
post his announcement to various lists, one of which I happened to be on.

(You just can't keep a good man down! ;-^})

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

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From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:21:17 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.

Like AG129, at my site, I received this advertising trash. I am
astonished that anyone has the temerity, let alone the stupidity, to
send that message out. Quite apart from anything else, their
targetting must have been minimal - no message I have ever sent could
possibly have led them to suspect I wanted their services.

It is almost certainly illegal to send commercial advertising over the
United Kingdom's Joint Academic Network, and I expect something will
be done about it. It has also crossed my mind that the company would
certainly have to be registered under the Data Protection Act if they
were operating in the UK with such a database of personal information.
It might be the case that they have to declare such data if they are
going to use it within the UK, even if they are not based here - if
so, I doubt they have.

I sent mail to abacus@global.gwinnett.com (Cc:-ed to my local
postmaster), and it didn't bounce. Hopefully every recipient will
personally express complaint in a similar way.

Advice on any more effective action I can take against these people
would be gratefully received - I detest this practice, and would like
to see it prevented, so I'm prepared to spend a little time persuing
them...

Thanks,

--Clive.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3258 news.admin.misc:84
From: todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:26:42 GMT
Organization: Gwinnett Computer Services, Atlanta(Duluth), GA

In article <bill.718326648@chaos.cs.umn.edu> bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ( Hari Seldon     psychohistorian ) writes:
>In <1992Oct4.231717.11307@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West) writes:
>
>>Is there anything we can do aside from sending them hate mail?
>
>not much that isn't any worse than what they did.
>seeing as bombing runs and such are generally considered not very
>nice either.

You can say that again.

The bombing run was much more distructive than orginal mail.  Five Meg.
more distructive.

-- 
Todd Reese                  | todd@Gwinnett.COM
Gwinnett Computer Services  | {rutgers,ogicse,gatech}!emory!gwinnett!todd
Atlanta(Duluth), GA         | 
(404) 623 - 6374            |
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: fergus@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (George Fergus)
Subject: anyone know the mail suffix for America On-Line?
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:38:33 GMT

Can someone point me to info on how to send mail to people at the various
on-line services?  Suffixes like  @CompuServe.com  are fairly obvious, but
I need to know the suffix for America On-Line.  The person I need to send
a file to does not know their full internet/usenet address.

-George Fergus
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: stanley@ruby.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:22:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.072145.6401@netcom.com> tweek@netcom.com (Michael D. Maxfield) writes:
>gwinnett shows in the uucp maps as being in Georgia, while abacus mentions
>an address of Florida.  global.gwinnett.com does not appear in the current
>connects for gwinnett.com.

It doesn't need to. gwinnett.com is nameserved by emory.mathcs.emory.edu
and hubcap.clemson.edu. global.gwinnett.com is an MX record pointing
to those two systems.
From: greg@phoenix (Gregory Nowak)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: SHIRLEY STRUM / JONAH WESTERN NAIROBI KENYA AFRICA
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:07:27 GMT
Reply-To: greg@phoenix (Gregory Nowak)
Organization: Baguette Research Systems Inc.
Originator: news@nimaster



Hello all, I have been asked (by a non-netter, you know how it
happens) to locate the email address (if any) of Shirley Strum, who
works with the Wildlife Fund in Nairobi, Kenya, and/or her husband
Jonah western, who works on elephants.

I've received a number of responses,  starting with the claim that
Nairobi (and thus Kenya) has absolutely no connectivity, to the
suggestion that an organization known as the Institute for Global
Communication is setting up "PeaceNet" which may even include  a
connection to the WWF in Nairobi. 

I would be vastly grateful if anyone having ANY information about
connectivity in Nairobi could contact me. 

many thanks,

greg@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Milnet/Internet gateway
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:48:00 GMT

In <YzWERT.92Oct1000023@yorktown.itd.nrl.navy.mil>,
wert@yorktown.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Jerry Van Wert) writes: 

>     A former colleague of mine is working at a site that has
> email access to Milnet, but thanks to typically shortsighted
> military bureaucratic paranoia, has no access to the Internet at
> large. Apparently, though, he can be reached from other
> domains. Are there any sites that will do Milnet-to-Internet mail
> relays? Thanks.

I don't know how it is in the Navy, but there are some .army.mil hosts
which cannot send mail outside Milnet because of staff apathy or an
attitude that none of their users should be sending outside the domain
anyways, so misconfiguration doesn't get corrected.  

Fortunately, some users know enough to bring in outsiders who can set 
the local staff on a more intelligent course. 

I'm sending Jerry separately two postings which summarize a problem at 
Fort Ritchie last summer and its resolution.  They identify some Army
and Air Force people who are quite willing to help out where possible.

Anyone else who might want to consult them on illuminating dark crevices in .mil .
of Milnet should send me private mail.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail
From: mfc@medoc.aux.apple.com (Matt Caprile)
Subject: Re: Still trying to get to Fidonet
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:30:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: A/UX Group, Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA
Keywords: Fidonet

dickey@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Bill Dickey) writes:
>I am sending to the fidonet address sister.name@p17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org.  
>Everything seems to work fine, except that my sister is not receiving the
>mail.

You're leaving part of the address out. A fidonet address looks like :
   john smith at 1:2/3.4

(where 1, 2, 3, and 4 would be replaced by the proper numbers for the
node) and the Internet email address to get there would be
   john.smith@p4.f3.n2.z1

you are missing the "f" part of the address.

--

  --- Matthew Caprile    || Hey, I only speak for myself ! Even I  ---
  ---                    || won't admit to the opinions expressed  ---
  --- caprile@apple.com  || here, so don't expect my employer to.  ---
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3265 news.admin.misc:89
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:31:48 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

>I've already taken adequate measures to stop physical junk mail. There are
>also sufficient regulations to stop me receiving junk e-mail from within the
>UK. The problem comes with international cowboys.

>I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...

I have an idea.  Why don't you delicate Brit Pussys just pull your internet
plug?  That'll stop your junk mail for sure.  Most other users can simply
hit the "d" key or whatever their mailer uses to delete a message.

John
-- 
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Performance Engineering Magazine (TM) |
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ( Hari Seldon     psychohistorian )
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:10:48 GMT

In <1992Oct4.231717.11307@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West) writes:

>Is there anything we can do aside from sending them hate mail?

not much that isn't any worse than what they did.
seeing as bombing runs and such are generally considered not very
nice either.
(no smiles)
bill pociengel
--
llbi locgeenpi " i'm a little confused right now"
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: mcc@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Merton Campbell Crockett)
Subject: Microsoft Mail Question(s)
Organization: GTE Government Systems
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:29:52 GMT

I was recently tasked to step in and complete the task of setting up an SMTP
Gateway for Microsoft Mail.  I have had the joy of discovering the meaning
of the statement:  "The one nice thing about standards is that there are
so many from which to choose!"

The gateway is now functional.  The problem is now to make users who exist
only in the SMTP world to appear accessible to the "rodent" crowd.  What
I would like (actually need) to have is the SMTP addressee appear in all
mailing lists as if they were a Macintosh or PC user.

The SMTP Gateway is logically/physically attached to a NetWare LAN.  If I
define the SMTP users on the gateway's server, the SMTP users are only known
to local postoffices that use the same server.  It's ridiculous to have to
re-enter all the SMTP user names at each postoffice.

Even finding a mechanism to flood the SMTP user names through the postoffices
on the NetWare LAN, does not solve the problem.  The names are not passed
through MSGATE from the PC environment to the Macintosh environment.  I suspect
the problem is the mail address syntax--User@host.domain could lead to a
giant "Mac Attack" when let into an environment that is expecting to see
McUser@McPostoffice.

Is there a resolution to this problem?  Is there an undocumented but function-
aly equivalent capability to define a ".forward" for Microsoft Mail or Network
Courier?  Does anyone have an Internet mail address for Microsoft or Consumers
Software where I can reach someone knowledgeable about the product?

If you have any suggestions would you forward them to mcc@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM.
Unfortunately with my current work load I seldom have enough time to use
"rn" and keep abreast of the various news groups.

Thank you.

Merton Campbell Crockett
GTE Government Systems ED/IIPO
mcc@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM

Ps:  As a thought, does anyone know of a product that runs under 2.11/4.3
     BSD that can interface with Microsoft Mail by looking like an "external
     postoffice"?  It would be easy to "fake" things from there.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ajs@msdrl.com (Anthony Starks)
Subject: Current state of mail<-->news software
Organization: Merck Research Laboratories
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 13:33:07 GMT

What is the current state of the art in
bi-directional mail<-->news software?
--
Anthony Starks          Merck Research Laboratories             ajs@msdrl.com

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From: alawrenc@sobeco.com (a.lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:28:36 GMT
Reply-To: alawrenc@sobeco.com
Organization: Lawrence & Assc.

In <1992Oct3.010042.15366@fwi.uva.nl> casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
>cro@socrates.ed.asu.edu (C. R. Oldham) writes:
>>I received an unsolicited email message from abacus@global.gwinnet.com
>>today.  It was blatantly advertising the services of Abacus Global

>Same problem here. There are no written rules concerning Usenet,
>the unwritten rule is that no advertisemnts are sent. ....

Ditto.  I tried  to  bouce their message back to them but it was returned
"address unknow".
-- 
If any given program runs correctly, it is obsolete.
=========================================================================
Andrew Lawrence, Informaticien Conseil           |  alawrenc@sobeco.com
3605 St-Urbain, #1605                            |  uunet!sobeco!alawrenc
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: dhendrik@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dion-ben Hendriks)
Subject: Mail headers
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:20:17 GMT


Hi all,

	I am looking for info on what headers are possible and what they do?
I'm looking for things like return receipts and acknowledgements.
Is there some dokumentation on it available on the net about this.

Thanx in advance,

Dion-ben Hendriks dhendrik@nyx.cs.du.edu u055098@kunrc1.urc.kun.nl
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3257 news.admin.misc:83
From: todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:23:29 GMT
Organization: Gwinnett Computer Services, Atlanta(Duluth), GA

In article <1992Oct5.181214.26618@netcom.com> agent86@netcom.com (Michael McBride) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.115945.29105@Gwinnett.COM> todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese) writes:
>>
>>They (Abacus) learned of their mistake within a short time.  People make
>>mistakes in real life every day. Are those people of the net faultless??
>
>Consider these maxims:
>
>	Some mistakes are bigger than others.
>
>	Mistakes have consequences, regardless of the original intent.
>
>

This I agree with.  

I don't think that I or anybody up the ladder of connection sites should
have been climbed on for Abacus' error. A simple note to me to alert of the 
problem would have been a better first step.  BTW,  I stopped the problem 
as soon as I found out about it.  There were many email's left to go out, 
not any more.

-- 
Todd Reese                  | todd@Gwinnett.COM
Gwinnett Computer Services  | {rutgers,ogicse,gatech}!emory!gwinnett!todd
Atlanta(Duluth), GA         | 
(404) 623 - 6374            |
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth)
Subject: smail director question
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:14:14 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

I just threw out HP's sendmail (YIPPEE!) and replaced it with smail (YIPPEE!).
While I THOUGHT that I was not a total idiot, now I'm not so sure:  what is
wrong with the following director:

listrequest: driver=aliasfile;
	file="${if origin:local {l.listmgrs} else {r.listmgrs}}", 
	proto=lsearch

Using it results in an error stating that the database does not exist, when
clearly both DO exist, in smail_lib_dir.  They are readable & writable only
by 'nobody', (not that 777 fixes the problem!)
The smail error text includes the text of the condition in the assignment as the
database name.

Obviously, I'm trying to maintain an alias list for list-request mail, with
different lists for local- and remote-origin mail.  (I don't like having to
edit the standard aliases for list-request and owner-list; I reserve the
basic aliases file for system mail-juggling, and don't allow user routing
in that file)

--

tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org                                               __
"Whoever said 'getting there is half the fun'                           \/
    has never ridden in a class 8 probe!" - K'Ehleyr
From: ses@cmns-moon.think.com (Simon Edward Spero)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:10:00
Organization: What's your clearance, citizen?
	<1992Oct05.084013.24430@clarinet.com>
	<1992Oct5.142707.14633@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <7496@lib.tmc.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmns.think.com
In-reply-to: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu's message of 5 Oct 92 14:49:13 GMT

In article <7496@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

   In article <1992Oct5.142707.14633@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
   >I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...
   What, pray tell, can they do? Remember that the junk email came from the
   US...are they going to extradite the perpetrators? Is it even a crime under US
   law?

I believe that the Supreme court allows kidnapping to and from countries with
mutual extradition treaties... anyway, there's always Polaris.

By the way, I didn't get a copy of the message- I feel insulted! Am I not
a free consuming entity! Am I denied the right to shop? Did I hurt someone's
feelings? :-)

Simon
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-----
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3243 news.admin.misc:71 talk.bizarre:32827
From: rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:40:47 GMT
Followup-To: talk.bizarre,misc.test
Organization: Monterey Bay Yacht Club, Monterey CA

crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

>I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...

I suppose it is too much to hope for that they would take the U.K off INTERNET
so that people like Clive would no longer get their little feelings hurt
by an incident like this.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3267 comp.mail.sendmail:2453
From: ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: BIX via internet?
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:05:11 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'm trying to send a message to someone on BIX. That is all the information I
have apart from his username. It's a published address and this much was
apparently thought sufficient. Can BIX be reached from internet? If so,
what hostname etc. should I use?

Thanks.

Nathan Rose