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From: avyfdvg@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (David Gatenby)
Subject: Re: British Paper Money
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:48:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.151158.1@venus.resntl.bhp.com.au> andrew@venus.resntl.bhp.com.au writes:
>In article <Sep.13.20.08.56.1992.21845@cadenza.rutgers.edu>, masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes:
>> avyfdvg@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (David Gatenby) writes:
>>
>> ObUL: The Germans, during World War II, produced a perfect set of
>> counterfeit plates for British #5 notes, to try to destabilize the
>> currency. It could have happened, so it must be true.
>>
The BBC programme about this forgery was called "Private Schultz," with the
actor who plays Boon as Private Schultz. I think the actor's called Michael
Elphick.

*David Gatenby, Dept of Slavonic Studies  *                           *
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From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Credible Evidence? (Was Re: Faces of Death)
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:36:35 GMT
Reply-To: craigb@ot.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com


snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:

>  In any case, "please provide credible evidence to support your claim" is not 
>  the same a merely responding with "oh, yeah?" or "that's what you say", 
>  except to those frustrated by a lack of documentation to support their 
>  positions.

Here's an open question to the readers of AFU:

What kind of credible evidence would be required to prove the existence
of a snuff film to the net?

There's a guy here in Austin named Mark Weaver who supposedly claims to 
have a snuff film (the guy is sorta a fruitcake/ultra-right-winger who is
said to drive around with a trunk full of pornography for "research purposes").

I've posted here before stating that I'd volunteer to give this guy a call 
and see if I can meet this guy and find out what he's got, BUT...

...say this guy pulls out a videotape and shows me the thing and it seems 
to be genuine. How can I present this as sufficient proof to the net? (and 
thereby get my name immortalized on the AFU FAQ :-) 

If I just post something like "Hey guys, I just saw a snuff film!" it's not
going to be taken as proof (and rightly so, IMHO).

Thanks!

Craig

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From: Chuck Adams <chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov>
Subject: Re: Sinking libraries
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:38:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.142802.27577@geovision.gvc.com> pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul
Tomblin) writes:

>Sorry, I thought this group was for people interested in the _facts_ behind
>ULs, not for the perpetuation of them.  If nobody wants any facts, then I
>guess I'll go find another newsgroup.

I hereby nominate this for afu "Quote of the Month".  Do I hear any seconds?



                      Chuck Adams,  WB5WRR   (The Chuckster)
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From: rajiv@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Rajiv)
Subject: Shergold Sighted in New Zealand.
Organization: /u/student/rajiv/.organization
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:56:20 GMT
Distribution: alt.urban.folklore


I went down to one of the local music shops in Wellington to see if they had
the latest Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. Next to the cash register I noticed
this brown, cardboard box that had a sheet of paper taped to it, with words 
that went thusly:

--	
Your business card could put someone into the Guiness Books of World
records. Craig Shergold is 7 years old and has terminal cancer. He is
trying to get into the Guiness Book of World Records as the person 
who recieved the greatest number of business cards. 
--

Below that was an address somewhere in Georgia, USA. Shergold is moving up in 
the world. First postcards, now business cards. What next? Credit cards? 

BTW, there were quite a few business cards in box and they didn't have the 
Flecktones:)

Rajiv
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From: bill.dehaan@rose.com (bill dehaan)
Subject: Wild Chicken Flocks
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:19:18 GMT
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Date Entered: 09-10-92 23:14
In message <26170@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:

JTC>with the truck accident. A lot more livestock-type animals are
JTC>kept in the cities and 'burbs than one might imagine.  Someone not

Definately. I've walked out my office in IBM Toronto and been greeted by
racoons, badgers, and (in one case) an overweight fox.

Bill "badgers are livestock?" de Haan

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From: meyers@acf5.NYU.EDU (Adam Meyers)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Arthur C. Clarke -  L. Ron Hubbard  Bar Bet
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:14:00 GMT
Organization: New York University


 I heard that when L. Ron Hubbard died, the Scientology church kept his
body on ice for a year while figuring out how to make sure that his will
left everything to the church and nothing to his kids. Then they announced
that he died or released his body or buried him or whatever. 
Does anyone know if this is true, false, partly true or just a rumor.
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From: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Subject: Re: Briant Gumble and NBC
Reply-To: lawson@aldia.UUCP (Drew Lawson)
Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:01:55 GMT

In article <phil.715918202@adam.adelaide.edu.au> phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick) writes:
>I heard a story that just smacks of being a UL, so I thought that I would
>throw it to the net for support or debunking!
>
>So the story goes...
>Briant Gumble was a janitor working at NBC, and at a time when it was
>politically expedient to have a negro working in front of the camera, was
>given the option of presenting the news.
>The rest is history...
>
>
>Any truth?


Don't know, but NBC _did_ have black newscasters on at least some of
its affiliates long before Briant Mumble came along.

-- 
Drew Lawson                      If you're not part of the solution,
lawson@acuson.com                you're part of the precipitate
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Third to be bombed...
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:19:49 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
  +I remember hearing that Denver was supposed to be high on the list because
  +it would become the capitol after Washington was bombed.  Then I read a 
  +Robert Heinlein novel in which this had happened.  What's the straight
  +dope?

Wow!  Denver's been bombed?  I thought it felt a little warmer these days.

Terry "I was wondering how Russia was going to get rid of those missiles" Chan
--
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory                    Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
"[PBS viewers] are affluent, highly educated, the movers and shakers, the
 socially conscious and the well-informed.  What about the rest of us?"
                                      -- U.S. Senator Robert Dole
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:11:24 EDT
From: Lawrence D. Matson <LDM102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Sinking libraries and floating ships
 <1992Aug31.091358.5977@news.columbia.edu>
 <PRATTA.92Aug31101601@marcus.rpi.edu> <1992Sep1.174727.22970@uwm.edu>

In article <1992Sep1.174727.22970@uwm.edu>, spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu (James G
Spice) says:
>
>I seem to recall about 10 or fifteen years ago the city of Greenbay
>WI had a problem with a newly constructed bridge.  The architects
>successfully estimated the proper clearance for ships coming into
>the bay over which the bridge extended, but forgot to consider
>the fact that ships float higher in the water once they unload
>their cargo.  The result was that ships were able to get under the
>bridge, but would be stuck in the bay once they unloaded.  They would
>have to load back up to get out again.
>
>I don't recall what, if anything, they did about the situation.  Any
>long time Green Bay residents out there that can confirm this?
>
>
     Can't speak to the specifics of this location, but I thought the
common solution is to load the outgoing ships with water.  One problem
then is the expulsion of this water legally.  If it is filling tanks
once used for oil, this can mildly pollute the surrounding waters.  In
fact, this practice is highly regulated (in the US, at least).
      ' Course, I could be wrong... :-)
                                                       -Larry

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|Penn State University |                                 +---+       |
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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: Re: Ann Landers stops an urban myth!
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:48:27 GMT

In article <lb24umINNf02@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:
>> Later people point to the statue of General X and use it as an example
>> that "3 legs means he was wounded in battle"...  Repeat ad infinitum...
>> Does anyone know of statues that do _not_ follow the above?  General
>> Custer with 3 or 4 feet on the ground?  General George Washington
>
>Very, very few generals are wounded in battle.   Even Lord Lucan, who
>through stupidity and obtuseness led the charge of the Light Brigade
>directly into the Russian cannon survived unscathed (though almost all
>his men died).
>
>I would venture to suggest that since they introduced radio to warfare
>in World War One, being a staff officer is one of the safest of all
>occupations, safer than being a civilian in a blitzed city for example.
>
>Cf. the tendency of politicians to construct hardened bunkers for them
>and their pals' wartime use.
>

That depends what level 'staff' you're talking about. If you mean at Army, or
force level, or the JCS (IGS in UK), then you're right. Once you get down
to corps or divisional level, though, it's arguably as dangerous as any other
spot these days: there will be a lot of enemy RDF with artillery & strike
planes to come and screw you up as soon as they find you. Of course, this is a
relatively recent phenomenon, and in a few years we'll see even regimental
staffs in deep bunkers in their capitals, I'm sure...

The Wisp.
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From: gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler)
Subject: Re: The Brady Bunch
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:14:21 GMT

twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:

>c8922369@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Leon James Garde) writes:

>  +Now, none of the actors who played any of the kids in the Brady Bunch 
>  +has died, ok.
>  +However there are lots of stories about the deaths of all the young actors.

>Uh, didn't Robert Reid (or is it Reed?  You know, the old guy) buy the 
>farm about 2 months ago?  Cancer?  Liver trouble?  Rumors of AIDS?  
>(Is this sufficiently vague enough?)

>Terry "That reminds me of a story of Jerry Mathers..." Chan
>--
>Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov                  This is illegal, but I know jujitsu
>Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory                         so I don't care.
>Berkeley, California  USA  94720                      

Yes, he did die a short time ago.  I can't remember the cause though.
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Third to be bombed...
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:51:10 GMT
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B.M. Buck (bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote:

: In at least two cities I've lived in (Charlotte, NC and Binghamton, NY),
: there is the claim that that city is "third" on the list of sites to be
: bombed by the Soviets [. . .]

: Is this legend wide-spread?  If you've heard it for your locale, what is
: the supposed reason for being third?

i heard it when i was a kid in san antonio. we were sposed to be high
on the list because of strategic air command hq at kelly afb, and the
other four military installations in the city.

from reading the responses, it seems you could come up with a reason
for almost any city...

--
sine nomine
debbie martinson
"consciousness is far more terrifying than any unconscious complexes."
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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Third to be bombed...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:55:36 GMT

I remember hearing that Denver was supposed to be high on the list because
it would become the capitol after Washington was bombed.  Then I read a 
Robert Heinlein novel in which this had happened.  What's the straight
dope?

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
From: kristyp@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kristy Patterson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Third to be bombed...
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:45:30 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Sep7.155557.29707@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>in Message-ID: <1992Sep4.184825.18056@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
>bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu (B.M. Buck ) writes:
>
>>In at least two cities I've lived in (Charlotte, NC and Binghamton, NY),
>>there is the claim that that city is "third" on the list of sites to be
>>bombed by the Soviets (now that the Soviets are gone, I suspect that
>>this legend had died, too), because of some strategic importance of the
>>city.  The stated first two places (when pressed) end up being the
>>missile sites, and Washington, DC.  After that, comes the current city.
>>
>>Is this legend wide-spread?  If you've heard it for your locale, what is
>>the supposed reason for being third?
>>
>>  Later,
>>    BP (bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu)
>
>	Add Columbus Oh. (I'm not making this up) to the list.
>This even was popular with the local media.  We have Compuserve,
>Battelle Institute, Chemical abstracts, and the University here,
>the center of the information universe I guess. It's just a
>desperate attempt to seem important, IMHO.
>
>	Why do you suppose it's always third, never second or
>fourth.
>
>J.P. "tertiary metropolitan destruction" Papai
>Papai@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu

Gee, I thought *we* were the center of the information universe. We always
heard that about Dartmouth College/Hanover, NH because of the alleged existence
of Very Important Defense Department computers, located in the fourth
sub-basement of the Kiewit Computation Center. This is also the apparent
reason for the (extremely ugly) design of the building, which *does* look
like a bomb shelter; it's square and concrete.  Apparently it was designed so
that the roof would collapse in such a way as to protect the lower levels.

ObUL: The boyfriend of an old friend of a friend of mine (BOAOFOAF) used to
play the same numbers in the Tri-State Megabucks every week. One week he forgot
to buy a ticket, and those numbers won. He quit school, moved home, and is now
in therapy.

-Kristy

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 +==========================+================================================+
 |Kristy Patterson          | Nothing really rocks, and nothing really rolls,|
 |kristyp@mac.dartmouth.edu | & nothing's ever worth the cost.      -Meatloaf|
 +==========================+=================================Bat Out of Hell+
From: jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Evita's body
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:54:37 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Accoring to a little booklet found in CD of Evita ( american version ):

 .... But even in death she is denied obscurity.  The moment she dies the
 embalmers move in to preserve her fragile body to be "displayed forever",
 although this never happened.  The story of escapades of the corpse of
 Eva Peron during the quarter-century after her death is almost as
 bizarre as the story of her life.

So, what happened to her body?

-----
Jongwoo "of expiring mind" Park                             jwp@panix.com
From: jrs@zippy.unet.com (John Switzer Frame 3.0)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Presidential UL's
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:31:45 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

In article <1992Sep15.010022.19370@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>What about the commander of SAC telling his generals, "if the
>President tells you to fire the missiles, talk to me first," because
>Nixon wasn't, uh, balanced at that point in life because of Watergate.

I remember reading in the newspaper at the time that the Green Berets 
were placed under special command just in case Nixon decided to use 
them for staying in power. The thinking at the time was that the Berets
were so disciplined that they would obey any orders given by their
commander-in-chief, and thus were temporarily put under a special command so 
as to prevent this.
From: lindam@tardigrade.Eng.Sun.COM (Linda McAllister)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Third to be bombed...
Date: 15 Sep 1992 00:22:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tardigrade

In article <1992Sep13.030301.8890@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>
>What I heard was that important (heavy) indistrial and power generation sites  
>would be spared the bomb, so the Soviets could use existing facilities to build  
>tractors and trolley buses after they establish their rule over the fruited  
>plains.  Buffalo was supposed to be spared Soviet attack, because it was a  
>large college town, it had five large power generating stations (3 hydro, 2  
>coal) and a very large industrial base was in the area.  Ditto for Cleveland,  
>Pittsburgh, Chicago and Seattle.
>

When I was a schoolkid in Buffalo a long, long time ago, the above were cited
as reasons for bombing it!


lm
From: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Bridges
Keywords: INNUMERACY ALERT!
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:59:38 GMT
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor

In article <60q--MC@engin.umich.edu> pjswan@engin.umich.edu (Peter Swanson) writes:
>
>The U of Minnesota marching band used to practice on the top floor of
>a parking ramp, and the motion of the ramp (in response to the marching)
>made it uncomfortable to walk on.  It was like walking on a boat that
>was bouncing 2 cm at 120 Hz.  We were worried the ramp might collapse,
>but the administration "assured" us that an engineer had checked it out,
>and it was all right.
>

Did you march that fast, or did you have a really loud tuba section?

Phil "Was the building 8 miles square? Gustafson
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From: smith+@cs.cmu.edu (Sean Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Snuff in US Court Case
Summary: recent appeals decision: attempted snuff
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:37:39 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

The following news story just caught my eye.   Apparently whether this
incident was a genuine attempt to produce a snuff film for commercial profit,
or just idle (but dangerous) talk is still in dispute.    You legal AFUers
out there might want to look up details of this.   Perhaps we have a 
starting point for some new database searches...

So, solely in the interest of better AFU scholarship:

	RICHMOND, Va. (UPI) -- A sharply divided federal appeals court
Thursday upheld the 30-year prison sentence a Richmond man received for
plotting to kidnap, sexually assault and murder a child, videotape the
crimes and then sell the ``snuff'' film.
	The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed Dean Lambey's
contention that he should have been allowed to withdraw his guilty plea
because his lawyer had underestimated the scope of his sentence.

(stuff deleted)

	Authorities arrested Lambey in August 1989, six months after a
California undercover officer posing as a bisexual pedophile initiated a
conversation on a computerized bulletin board.
	Lambey told the undercover officer of his plan to kidnap a child for
use in the pornographic film. He was arrested after he told the officer
he had spotted a likely victim, a boy about 13 years old.

(more stuff deleted)


--Sean ``Snuffy'' Smith

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