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From: kennu@mits.mdata.fi (Kenneth Falck)
Subject: Problems detecting bad blocks on AT-controller MFM drive.
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:34:22 GMT

I'm having some trouble using my hard disk with Linux; it seems that
during the 'mkfs -c' procecure my drive's bad space is not recognized,
and later files get corrupt.

I don't know the hardware that well, so I'll just simply try to describe
the situation here...

First, I had the hard disk low-level formatted with bad space marked
as bad by the AMI BIOS. I've been using this configuration with MSDOS
for years without problems; the bad sectors (~200k I think) show up
ok in the chkdsk display. But when I repartitioned and 'mkfs -c'd 
from within Linux, I only got some HD: read_intr: status/errors
and no real I/O errors, and eventually no bad blocks were marked
to the minix filesystem. Obviously, when the filesystem gets filled 
up after some time and reaches the hardware defects, things start 
going wrong.

So, I tried to re-format the disk from the BIOS diagnostics menu
without marking any bad tracks. After partitioning and trying to
mkfs -c again, nothing has changed. Linux barfs out some error
messages but obviously thinks the disk works alright after a retry.

I understand there should be a file called /.badblocks or something
if bad blocks exist, and I definitely had some bad sectors when
the disk ran under MSDOS, so there must be something wrong somewhere
since all I get after the mkfs -c are "/." and "/..".

Please ask me more if you want to know something, and if I'm doing
something wrong, any help would be appreciated... The subject is
a bit complex for me to describe in English...

My hardware configuration is:

80386/25 no cache, 4MB RAM
some Western Digital MFM HDD/FDD controller
41MB/28ms Seagate ST251-1
20MB/80ms Cogito (?)
a 3.5" high density floppy drive
a "generic" register compatible VGA

I'm running MSDOS 5.0, and I've tried the mkfs -c with Linuces
0.97.2 and 0.98.1. (Hope I got the patchlevels right..)

-- 
kennu@mits.mdata.fi
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: thssgxd@iitmax.iit.edu (Gautam Das)
Subject: linux-0.98 booting problem solved
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 06:03:20 GMT

Regarding my earlier posting where I mentioned having problems with
booting 0.98 bootimage on 360K floppy, I received advise from many
on the network.  Thank you all. I had no problems booting from a 1.2Meg
floppy containing the 0.98 bootimage.

Since I received so many messages I am unable to reply to everyone via
mail I am posting the solution on the net. Here's what Linus commented
on the same subject, and I wish to share with everyone:

>I have to admit that I don't think supporting 360kB floppies for booting
>is something we need to do - especially as I hope LILO will be the
>normal way to boot linux (even from a floppy - see the hlu bootdisks). 
>You need high-density disks for linux installation anyway (all the
>rootdisks are > 360kB), so I don't see any pressing need to support the
>older format (the disks may be cheaper, but not by that much, and we
>aren't talking about many disks..)
>
>		Linus

- gautam
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ggeorge@bilbo.encore.com (Greg George)
Subject: Where is FAQ?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:29:49 GMT

Can someone please point me to the FAQ for this
newsgroup?

thanks!

greg

Principal Systems Software Analyst
Multimax SYSV Development Project Leader
From: jepstei@afterlife.ncsc.mil (John Epstein)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: QUESTION Xfree86-1.1 Clocks
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:42:29 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

Just installed Xfree86-1.1 with Linux 0.98 patchlevel 1.

Got X to start by creating entries:
from 32 to 40 [MHz] for 40 clock and 62 to 66 for 62 clock.

Previous version of X386 had identifier "Clocks".

Xfree86-1.1 appears not to recoginize this Identifier.
QUESTION:  How to get Xfree86-1.1 to be less resourceful and force clocks.

Previous version X386 (without Clocks) reported 40 clock as 40 always!!!
Previous version X386 (without Clocks) reported 62MHz (crystal can) as
65 always!!!.

Card is 3 or 4 year old et4000 card with approx. 5 crystal cans.
[It has finite number of cans --- exact number unknown without removing
machine cover]

BTW: DMODE under MS-DOS reports correct frequencies (matches crystal cans)
--- in different order than previous X386 and new Xfree86-1.1

BTW: Xfree86-1.1 reports 16 vice 8 clocks as reports 1/2 rate clocks.

Without "Clocks" I can run by kludging additional lines in Xconfig.

I KNOW that users of the new Diamond Speedstar are not going to be
able to run without "Clocks" 

John
(original poster on Diamond Speedstar BIOS 5.0 to comp.os.linux)
From: baron@clifton.hobby.nl (Wim `Blue Baron' van Dorst)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Trackball recommendations for Linux and X?
Organization: Minix Hobbynet Host
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 22:48:13 MET

dhw@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (David West) writes:
> I'm seeking recommendations for a trackball which:
>  - is KNOWN to work with X under Linux
>  - is add-on (not built into a keyboard)
>  - is (preferably) small and cheap.

There are no cheap trackballs (here in the Netherlands). I looked into it
as the above is exactly what I wanted too. 

I now have a cheapo 3-button mouse.

-b-b-
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Writing Linux disks on Sun
Keywords: sun
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:07:43 GMT

In <ucosmo.718399359@mcl> ucosmo@mcl.ucsb.edu (Boris Burtin) writes:

>I was just curious if someone had a solution to this problem.  It seems that
>you can only write DOS disks on a Sun Sparc if you are root and can mount a
>DOS floppy.  

Ask your sysadmin to write a 'wrapper' program that does a suid root and 
mount (umount) the DOS for you. We do it like that.

-- budi
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Budi Rahardjo <rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: uufido@ccu.umanitoba.ca (UMCC Fido-Net Liaison)
Subject: Follow-up to Request for GCC/Compiler Help
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:13:05 GMT

This is a follow-up to my previous message requesting information on GGC
and other compilers of Linux.

First, thanks to everyone who sent an email response.  My "intray"  has
been quite full with interesting information about GCC.

I have now figured out a bit more about the directory structure on
tsx-11.mit.edu and I think I've found the files I need to ftp.  Again,
thanks to those who pointed the way.

Finally, I've also unscriscribed to alt.os.linux as this newsgroup appears
to be dead.  I'm now an avid reader of comp.os.linux and have lot's of
information to pour through everyday.  Again, thanks to those who pointed
the way.

Chris O'Neill
uufido@ccu.umanitoba.ca
chris.o'neill@mailbox.bison.mb.ca


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: maniac@unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: FPU Use in Linux
Organization: Too many
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:33:24 GMT


How important to Linux is having an FPU?  I've heard that UUCP eats a 
lot of CPU time without one, but I assume that that is a bug, rather 
than floating point use.  What else makes extensive use of floating
point?  The reason I ask, is because I'm bying a system just to run
Linux, and with the $300 or so I can save by using a 486SX33 rather
than the DX33, I can improve the system in other areas.  The
motherboard I plan on getting will support both, so I can upgrade
later after the 66 Mhz DX2's drop in price.
-- 
Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu
From: court+@CMU.EDU (Court Demas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Compiling under X
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:23:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0er1xh200Vou4dm2EX
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I know X is a hog and all - programs general compile in about 1/4 the
time in text-mode (I've timed it) - but for some reason it seems like it
gets slower and slower the more times I compile.  

I may be going crazy - or just getting really impatient - but it
definitely thrashes around much more.   It is faster to kill X, do make,
startx, test, and then kill X again and edit my file than to just do
everything under X.  

Could there be a memory leak somewhere?  Any suggestions besides another
8mb of ram? (I'm working on that one.. :-)).

Zeos 486/33
8mb ram
linux v.8 
GCC 2.2.2d
Xfree v1.1
etc..

thanks,
-court
From: Scott.Near@f38.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Near)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: new user
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:30:27 -0800

Can anyone tell me what files I need to set up a basic Linux system?
        Thanks



... My other computer is a CRAY.
 * Origin: <<PRISM PDN HQ (914)344-0350 HST/DS 343-7540 HST
(1:272/38.0)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Any mail or fakemail available for linux ?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:39:06 GMT

In <Bw0rFv.M5H@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG> steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins) writes:
...
>For the zillionth time:

>If you have elm and smail 3.1.25, you don't need anything else for local
>mail.  No procmail, no sendmail, no lmail, nothing!  Honest!

Well, I tried and it just won't deliver to other users.
If I am root I can send mail to anybody I want, but not if I am just
an ordinary user.
I am still convinced that procmail is better (especially if you want to
create mailing lists, one of the reason why I use procmail).
Compiling procmail is a piece of cake, just type make  :-)

Thanks
-- budi
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Budi Rahardjo <rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: Leaving Xfree86-1.1 changes foreground color of terminal
Keywords: x11 xfree86
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:44:46 GMT

In <92612@netnews.upenn.edu> delman@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Delman Lee) writes:

>I am running Xfree86-1.1 on Linux 0.98pl1. After exiting from X the
>foreground colour of all my virtual terminals changes. (I don't seem
>to be able to reset it with setterm.) The colour it changes to is
>different on different exits. The bad news is that it sometimes changes
>the foreground colour to that of the background colour!

>Any clues? Thanks in advance!

 No clues.  But I kind of think that it's rather trivial compared to
what I get:

 I ran Xmono, and it works fine, except for two places:
 
 Going into X, the screen is all messed up at first, I think it might be
trying to display some sort of logo?  Then a grey screen comes up, then
black, and the twm takes over.

 Coming out of X, the screen really get's messed up.  On my screen, it's like
stripes vertically on the screen of characters missing.  So if, say we had
a string on the screen like:

 % The quick brown fox

 I would see:

 % T e q i k b o n f x

 It's rather interesting.  It's rather like playing Wheel of Fortune.

 I've found only once solution: sync;sync;sync;reboot

 My system:
  386SX-16 with 5 Megs of RAM
  Everex SVGA monochrome monitor
  Trident TVGA8900 with 256K of video RAM
  SLS .98 released just last week, has Xfree86 v1.1(?)

 As long as X is running, no problems.

 I'm not complaining, I'm overjoyed that I can even run X on this system.
It's just rather curious.  And I'm getting together the money to purchase
a better monitor and VGA card, along with more harddrive space... someday
soon.






-- 
Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu
Iowa Cooperative Soil Survey Resource Unit
2142 Agronomy, Iowa State University  (515) 294-5429

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: J.Jagger@sheffield-city-poly.ac.uk
Subject: DOS partition vs Linux partition
Reply-To: J.Jagger@sheffield-city-poly.ac.uk
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:51:02 GMT

I was burnt by a difference in the above.
I had been using DOS, and had made a copy of its disk partition
info as it saw it. Then I booted into Linux, and did the LILO
stuff. I assumed that the partition table that Linux saw was
the same as the one DOS saw. It was, but it ordered the partitions
differently. Namely, what DOS saw as /dev/hda1 Linux saw as /dev/hda2
and vice versa. As far as I can tell this was because my /dev/hda1
did not start at 0. I should have checked using Linuxs' fdisk I know.
Just thought that maybe this could go in a FAQ somewhere?

Also, re my last posting. I claimed that Linux was altering my fstab
file. Read that line as "I am a clutz". Clutzo here had edited
/etc/fstab and not /mnt/etc/fstab.

Lastly I'd like to add my voice to a previous endorsement of LILO.

Great stuff.
JJ
:: Jon Jagger  J.Jagger@scp.ac.uk
:: Sheffield Hallam University, Pond Sreet, SHEFFIELD S1 1WB
:: Tel 0742 533802/432889 (work/home) Fax 0743 533840
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: danielce@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel AMP Carosone)
Subject: Re: Why is TCP/IP treated like it isn't really part of Linux sometimes?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:57:02 GMT

The TCP/IP code is in it's *first* Beta release.

Many of the other things now compiled into the default kernel were at
one stage in a similar state as the current TCP/IP code.

All that you have mentioned will come.

Besides, if you want to beta-test the networking code, you don't need
it to be in a distribution kernel - unlike, for instance, the scsi
driver patches where some people couldn't install linux on their scsi
drives to test it.

--
Dan.
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Compiling TIN doesn't work
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:01:55 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <Z0s7RB2w164w@field.ichaos.nullnet.fi> kkk@field.ichaos.nullnet.fi (Kristo Kaarlo Matias) writes:
>My porting saga continues... Now it's TIN 1.1 PL1. "make sysv" produces
>this:
>
>signal.c: In function 'set_signal_handlers':
>signal.c:45: 'SIGBUS' undeclared (first use this function)
>[...]
>signal.c: In function 'signal_handler':
>signal.c:102: 'SIGBUS' undeclared (first use this function)
>
>What the heck is this 'SIGBUS'? I didn't found it at /usr/include/*.

Argghh.  This comes up every once in a while (about twice a day to be
exact), and the answer is that tin is not posix, and uses an obsolete
signal that linux doesn't use, but which exists under both sysV and bsd,
so most sources don't seem to bother checking about it. 

The thing to do is to search for SIGBUS in the sources, and put a

#ifdef SIGBUS
...
#endif

around the offending code.  It *could* be solved by adding a dummy
signal value to /usr/include/signal.h ("#define SIGBUS 31" or similar),
but the problem isn't really in the linux code but in the sources that
assume SIGBUS is defined. 

>I have Linux 0.98 and GCC 2.2.2d. I compiled TIN with -DPOSIX_JOB_CONTROL,
>is this ok?

POSIX_JOB_CONTROL is ok.

		Linus
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: New SLS is on tsx-11.mit.edu
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:20:50 GMT
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet


   From: BTITMARS@ESOC.BITNET (BARRY TITMARSH)
   Date: 9 Oct 92 15:50:52 GMT

   ok fine.. but where to look on tsx-11 for this new SLS..
   for me its a real pain in the A#$21  to keep doing ftp via a mail server.
   please tell where you post things to.. makes my life easier and others.
   barry.

For those of you who are grabbing things via a mail server, I suggest
you grab the files /pub/linux/find-ls, /pub/linux/ls-lR, or
/pub/linux/ls-ltR.  These files contain a complete listing of everything
under /pub/linux, you can then look at on your remote system while
you're figuring out which pieces you want to pull over.

FYI, the SLS package can be found in the directory
/pub/linux/packages/SLS.

							- Ted
From: cullip@pooh.cs.unc.edu (Timothy Cullip)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Stupid SLS question (first time user)
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:27:11 GMT
Distribution: usa

Here's a stupid question from an uninformed idiot:

I would like to install the SLS version of Linux, but I'm confused.

I ftp to tsx and go to the SLS directory. I download the README, INFO
files and read them. I download a1 a2 and the files in the a3/ and a4/
directories. They are all now sitting on my Unix machine at work (Sun
with a floppy drive). Under a directory SLS on my work machine I have:
   a1
   a2
   a3/
      .FSP_CONTENT
      COPYING
      base.taz
      diska3
      menus.taz
   a4/
      .FSP_CONTENT
      bin.taz
      diska4
      install.end


I want to get them onto floppies to carry home and
load onto my PC. Is everything other than a1 and a2 supposed to be in
DOS format (i.e. should I use mtools to put them on the floppies):

I try the following: 
   (put a floppy in the drive)
   cat a1 > /dev/rfd0c  (the floppy drive)
   eject
   (put a different floppy in the drive)
   cat a2 > /dev/rfd0c
   eject
   cd a3
   (put a different floppy in the drive)
   (README said all the others are on DOS formatted floppies)
   mkdfs -h (formats the floppy to DOS 1.44 Meg)
   mcopy * a:
   mdir  (results in:)
      COPYING
      base.taz
      diska3
      menus.taz
   (I notice there is also a .FSP_CONTENT file in a3/)
   mcopy .FSP_CONTENT a:
   mdir
      COPYING
      base.taz
      diska3
      menus.taz
      X.FSP
   (do the same for a4 as I did for a3)

Is this going to work for me, or am I missing the big picture?
If I'm not supposed to use mtools to put them onto a DOS formatted disk,
then what am I supposed to do?





-- 

   Tim Cullip
   cullip@cs.unc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
Subject: Re: Simulation of media changes
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:54:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.024400.16513@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> fsmith@grind.cheme.cmu.edu (Frank Smith) writes:
> Is there a simple way to simulate a media change?  I know it's possible..  Is
> there a command syntax to do it?  I was told setfdprm could do it but I
> haven't been able to figure out how.  

setfdprm has some code in it to use a media change ioctl, but there's no
such thing in the kernel. Fortunately, a more elegant solution exists.

There are two problems with drives that don't signal media changes
properly:
  - the auto-detecting floppy devices don't work, so you have to use the
    fixed-format ones.
  - the track buffer is not invalidated after a media change and can
    leak data from one media to another. This can lead to all kinds of
    media corruption.

While the first problem can't be easily fixed (unless a media change
ioctl is added, but this doesn't make the whole procedure less awkward),
the following patch (to 0.98pl1, but should work with older kernel
versions too) should fix the latter.

- Werner

---------------------------------- cut here -----------------------------------
*** floppy.orig	Fri Oct  9 14:35:54 1992
--- floppy.c	Fri Oct  9 14:36:11 1992
***************
*** 1174,1179 ****
--- 1174,1180 ----
  			return -EBUSY;
  	fd_ref[drive]++;
  	fd_device[drive] = inode->i_rdev;
+ 	buffer_drive = buffer_track = -1;
  	if (old_dev && old_dev != inode->i_rdev)
  		invalidate_buffers(old_dev);
  	if (filp && filp->f_mode)

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From: mgream@acacia (Matthew Gream)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: trashed virt. consoles and mkfs w/ extfs
Date: 9 Oct 1992 04:57:29 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

gary a moyer (moyerg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu) wrote:

: First, I am still getting trashed virtual consoles (you know, when
: you accidentally grep a binary and end up with all these escape codes
: and such on the screen..)  I cannot get back to a sane tty state.
: Any help?

Echo a control-o ( ie \017 ), I made a shell script to solve this, 
simply:
-- /bin/fix --
#!/bin/tcsh
echo '\017'
---
[ yes there are probably more niftier ways of doing it, but this works
  for me ]

: Secondly, I have a 300M hd here and am only using 160M of it.  I _tried_
: to run mkfs over an extended partition but it just dies.  Any docs, help,
: pointers, etc for using the extended file system?

use mkefs and efsck, available on tsx-11.mit.edu in 
 /pub/linux/ALPHA/extfs ( something like this ).

--
Matthew Gream --- M.Gream@uts.EDU.AU
Undergrad Computer Systems Engineer, University of Technology, Sydney.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: schli@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfram Schlickenrieder)
Subject: [Q] Is Xman blind...?
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:11:14 GMT


	Hi there...

	I have a problem with Xman: It only works for *un*formatted
	manual pages in /usr/man/man[1-8], but it ignores the man
	pages in /usr/man/cat[1-8]. Is this behaviour normal, or did I
	(yet again) miss some devious detail needed to make it work
	properly? 

	...Wolfram
From: wmitchel@fergie.dnet.ge.com (Bill Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux on disc
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:18:36 GMT
Organization: GE Advanced Technology Labs

|> PE=>As i only have USENET acess and not FTP, i wonder where i can get
|> PE=>linux on disc, and utilties that are for linux. As i is new to
|> PE=>the unix system(s), what is needed to run LINUX on a MSdos system.

From the LINUX FAQ:

QUESTION: I do not have FTP access, what can I do to get linux?

ANSWER: Try to contact a friend on the net with those access, or try
mailserver/ftpmail server otherwise contact tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU. You
might try mailing "mailserver@nic.funet.fi" with "help" in the body of
the mail.  If you choose ftpmail server (example: ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com),
with "help" in the body, the server will send back instructions andcommand list. As an exemple to get the list of files available at tsx-11
in /pub/linux send:

        mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
        subject: anything
        reply <your e-mail>
        connect tsx-11.mit.edu
        chdir /pub/linux
        dir -R
        quit
 
In Europe ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de is accessible via e-mail (send
"help" in the body to ftp-mailer@informatik.tu-muenchen.de)

-- 
 -- Bill

William F. Mitchell           |  wmitchell@atl.ge.com
GE Advanced Technology Labs   |  na.mitchell@na-net.ornl.gov

Just the facts -- no opinion disclaimer necessary.