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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: PLEASE STOP IT (Re: accent? what accent?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:07:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.173659.23057@cirrus.com>, venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:
> In <44597@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
> 
> >Pravin Devineni Ratnam writes, sickly enough (even I thought he couldnt get
> >sicker than this):

 Atrocious stuff deleted ...
> 
> >Oh, man, cant we keep these disgusting thoughts, at least ones with
> >regard to me, off the net...I'd really appreciate it.  I already have
> >the flu, I dont need to get sick again. Thanks.
> 
> Tyranny, tyranny...the thought police take over again ;-).
> -- 
> Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
> Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(415)-226-2100 X3737
> I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of
> people waiting to abuse me.

Pravin, Venu

PLEASE STOP THIS HARASSMENT OF TRINA.

The matter is between me and Trina. She called me gay and I told her that
I was not gay. That is all there is to it.

Any further posting on this subject will be considered harassment of
Trina as well as myself.

Alok
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: who can be president? (was Re: Why is SCIA ...)
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:03:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.160727.26730@menudo.uh.edu>, murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna) writes:
> trina writes
> > Sridhar Venkataraman writes:
> > 
> > >One quick question: Can a non-US born person stand for Vice-President.
> > 
> > No. Must be an US born, US citizen.....
> 
> now, this brings up an INTERESTING point.  namely, if you look at the line of  
> "succession" for the presidency (in case of deaths, assassinations, etc.) it  
> starts as : President (obvious)
> 	    Vice-President (also fairly obvious)
>             SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!
> 
> you may wonder why this is so.  well, first look at this little tidbit:
> the vice-president is considered the speaker of the SENATE!
> 
> knowing all of this, here's my question.  if i get elected to be a congressman  
> (god forbid!) and our "party" gets into the majority AND i become speaker of  
> the house AND the president and vice-pres die, can i become president????!!
> 
> i am a non-US-born US-citizen.  any political scientists/buffs out thee know  
> the policy?
> 
> peace,
> -purna

As far as I know:

Answer is No, speaker of the house (you) will call an emergency session of 
congress to elect an acting president within 48 hours.

There are certain criteria to choose an acting president. 
This person will act as president until the term expires.

Alok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,soc.culture.indian
From: Raju@brown.edu (Raju Ramakrishnan)
Subject: Re: The Resurrection ...
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:52:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.173712.21655@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
> 
> First let me wish you all a very happy Easter weekend.
> Alok
> 
Happy Passover weekend.

Happy Vishu (last Tuesday)

Happy Tamil New Year (last Monday)

Happy Life!? : )
..>Raju
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:37:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Red Hill, NJ

In article <1992Apr9.224152.15150@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.223601.22431@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.151326.24175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>>
>>> Perhaps you actually believe that you're taken seriously enough for
>>> people to even consider responding favourably to your suggestions?
>
>>You bet he is taken seriously :)
>
>The question wasn't addressed to you.
>

Yeah RIGHT.. You should talk !

Sid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: Raju@brown.edu (Raju Ramakrishnan)
Subject: Re: A-B-C-D
Organization: Brown University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:53:23 GMT

Look who crawled out from under his little rock!

So, Sharaaz, how did you come up with this original title?
I wonder if you are "confused" enough to read this "confused"
article in this "confused" newsgroup :)
..>Raju

In article <10293@gollum.twg.com>, khan@twg.com (Sharaaz K. Khan) writes:
> 
> This group should have been named soc.culture.abcd:  WHY?
> 
>    #            ######           #####          ######
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> 
> AMERICAN   -    BORN       -    CONFUSED   -    DESIS
> 
> 
> Sharaaz Khan :-)
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:20:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.213811.20397@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>Because you REPEATED the whole atrocious stuff posted by PRAVIN.
>It was your repeatition of Pravin's atrocious stuff in your reply.
>It was quite unnecessary. By repeating it, you recklessly or intentionally 
>(I hope not) emphasized Pravin's atrocity.

Getting a litle theatrical aren't we? PDR merely outlined a hypothetical 
sexual scenario involving your participation. Trina dealt with it 
appropriately and you expressed outrage which I found rather amusing. 
Describing PDR's posting as an 'atrocity' is what I would expect from a 
sexually repressed and naive male.

George
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:04:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <MdtTYv600Uh_85PzIG@andrew.cmu.edu>, pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
> 
> I wasn't harassing Tina, 

But you did. She sent me an email indicating that.

> you moron. 

Everybody knows who the moron is. You made a fool of yourself on SCI
and now you want to do that here too ...

> Also, you don't have to act like you are such an honorable person by

Oh, please but I am, there is no question of acting it like :)

> We settled this issue among ourselves. 

Good.


Now STOP IT !


Alok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Red Hill, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:11:30 GMT

In article <44161@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>
>Obviously you missed the point...anyways, I guess I shall carry on
>since your comments only encourage me :) and fuel the flame war
>even more. Good job. By the way, ever hear of the 'n' key?
>                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Trina

Seems like you haven't heard of the 'n' key yourself. Next time try using
it at the following prompt :

*******   5 unread articles in soc.culture.indian.american--read now? [ynq]

It works beautifully.

Sid

p.s.: Oh BTW the 'q' key works too !

Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:38:30 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT

Alok writes:

***************************
In article <45161@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) wri
tes:
> alok writes:
>
> >Pravin Devineni Ratnam writes:
> >> I wasn't harassing Trina,
>
> >But you did. She sent me an email indicating that.
>
> Uh, care to reproduce that?  I dont think that is what I said nor
> meant.

Sorry, I don't have that email any more.
I distinctly remember however that you said something to the effect
that Pravin maybe harassing you.

*********************************


I guess this says it all about Alok's integrity. When cornered to show proof,
ALok says that he doesn't have a copy of  email which was sent to him
less than a week ago. Very convenient.

Trina sent me email as soon as I posted my original message and wesettled the issue immediately. BUT she never indicated that I was harassing her. Besides,
even if she felt harassed, why would she  convey her feelings about my
message to Alok, of all people? Makes no sense to me It's pretty obvious
that ALok is a liar(not something everyone didn't  know before).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Immigrants do have trouble getting jobs...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 16:12:40 GMT
Distribution: usa

swami@chtm.eece.unm.edu writes:

> )The instance quoted by Ron Hira sounds highly improbable to me.

It could happen in a small company. In some one-man operations,
the employee is given the secretarial jobs too.
 
Most employers would prefer to hire a citizen, permanent resident,
and a non-immigrant in that order. Sometimes the non-immigrant
may be the best candidate available when the vacancy 
comes-up but at the time of Labor Certification may not be
the best candidate. (I believe the new immigration laws require
labor clearance at the time the job is offered).

Sometimes evil employers like to hire non-immigrants for other 
reasons. Low pay, Long hours etc. (I know of an Indian employer
who didn't mind calling on his Indian employee on a Saturday
morning to tutor his son in math, or else.) What kind of ethics
they will have on following immigration laws baffles me.

 
> )It is definitely much tougher to get a job as an immigrant. 

Those who didn't have to adjust their status through employment
should thank their stars for not having to put-up with that c**p.


> )I know of at least two Indian grad students , who will be getting
> )their MS and going back to India, not because they want to, but because
> )there isn't much hope for them in this job market.

I feel very sorry for them. This country's vague immigration policies
are partly responsible for it. When we apply for higher studies abroad, 
we usually don't think much about immigration etc., do we? 


> )The few Indian Americans .......

May be it's time to think that we are the same people, II's and IA's.

Raghavan

Disclaimer: All these statements are my personal opinions, nobody 
else is responsible for anything I say.
From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:35:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45161
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

alok writes:

>Pravin Devineni Ratnam writes:
>> I wasn't harassing Trina, 

>But you did. She sent me an email indicating that.

Uh, care to reproduce that?  I dont think that is what I said nor
meant.

Trina
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:53:51 GMT

Harpal Chohan writes
> In article <1992Apr8.152627.4528@cirrus.com> venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)  
writes:
> >In <1992Apr8.122930.14302@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
> >(siddhartha.nag) writes: 
> >
> >>In article <1992Apr8.025421.18009@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> >gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes: 
> >
> >>>In article <1992Apr8.004928.13823@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
> >sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes: 
> >
> >>>>And also don't bother to flame back, 'cos I'm tired of this thread.
> >
> >>>You're determined to make a fool of yourself aren't you?
> >
> >>I thought I clearly told Trina not to bother to flame back. ....
> >>And that applies to her/his cronies too. Get a hint !
> >
> >Interesting?
> 
> No. But it has possibilities...

as spock (on star trek would say) "there are always.....possibilities"

-purna
From: nalawad@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (NALAWADI  SHAILESH MALLIKARJUN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:50:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility


 When I put up the original post with the above heading, I was requesting
people to stop personal bickering. Looks like I just started another line
of argument. PLEASE PEOPLE, LET's HAVE SOME CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENTS!!


Shailesh Nalawadi
Univ of Toronto
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: pandit@iwarp.intel.com (Milind Pandit)
Subject: Re: Inter-cultural marriages
Organization: Intel iWarp, Beaverton, Oregon, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:45:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.151718.17662@walter.bellcore.com> monk@thelonious.bellcore.com writes:
>I'm an US-born (northwest region) Caucasian female who is romantically
>involved with an Indian-born man. We are thinking of marrying in the future
>but have not yet met each others families. I'd like to make a good
>impression on his family when I meet them so am looking for advice and/or
>exeriences with this kind of situation from you all on this
>newsgroup.

>He is 30yrs old, has been in 
>the states for about 8 yrs and considering our very divergent upbringing he 
>and I have very similar values.                                          ^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I've never been married, but I think most educated people know this is one of
the most important, if not the single most important factor in a successful
marriage.  I say, stress that you have common values.
--
|  Milind S. Pandit                           |  Standard disclaimers apply.  |
|  pandit@iwarp.intel.com                     |-------------------------------|
|  Operating Systems Engineer, iWarp Program  |   Who knows what evil lurks   |
|  Intel Corp., Beaverton, OR                 |     in the hearts of men?     |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Red Hill, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:49:28 GMT

In article <44270@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>
>
>The only difference here being that I'm not whining about anything. 
>You, on the other hand, are whining that there is too much flaming
>going on, not realizing that you yourself are contributing to it and
>not productively contributing to what you feel is necessary for the
>group.  Exactly the point you missed before in my previous article.
>
>Trina

Oh ! slide me a break.. At the risk of getting personal, let me
just say this that, you are the biggest whiner scia readers have      
experienced.
Also, let me say this that regardless of what you feel, this group
is here to stay, and I will choose to "productively contribute"
to it when I decide to.
And also don't bother to flame back, 'cos I'm tired of this thread.

Sid
From: pankaj@bass.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Trina : What is wrong with you? (Re: accent?  what accent?
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:36:46 GMT
Reply-To: pankaj@bass.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi)
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian.american
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University


In article <1992Apr3.142943.444@cbnewsi.cb.att.com# alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
#In article <43665@mentor.cc.purdue.edu#, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
## 
## I dont like this group and I will still DAMN WELL POST ON IT WHEN I WANT TO!!
## 
#Then you will keep getting flamed ...
#
## #BTW, you still owe an apology for calling me 'gay'. 
#
## I owe you no apology because I said all in jest. 
## 
#Great! Because you said it in jest, that I asked only for an apology.
#
#BTW, you first referenced me as your father and then you called me gay.
#
#Is your father gay ?
#
## If you were around, I would have shown you ...
#
## I'm curious...what would you have shown me?  
#
#That I am not gay !
#
## As always,
## Trina
#
Alok

	SHUT UP!!!!!!! 
	JUST SHUT UP!!!!!

	I am fed up of you all guys. Stop this bickering *NOW*!!!

	Let us keep this news group a sane place. Please take your
childish gibberish to other medium such as Telephone or Mail or Email.

Pankaj
pankaj@bass
--
#include std.disclaimer| pankaj@bass.bu.edu,pankaj@pub2.bu.edu
#if IDONTLIKEYUORQUOTE |"..I mean if I said that I'm the king just because some
#include local.joke    | watery tart lobbed me a scimitar, they'd put me away"
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From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:55:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44270
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

siddhartha writes:

>Seems like you haven't heard of the 'n' key yourself. Next time try using
>it at the following prompt :

>*******   5 unread articles in soc.culture.indian.american--read now? [ynq]

>It works beautifully.


The only difference here being that I'm not whining about anything. 
You, on the other hand, are whining that there is too much flaming
going on, not realizing that you yourself are contributing to it and
not productively contributing to what you feel is necessary for the
group.  Exactly the point you missed before in my previous article.

Trina
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: are there still prejudices?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:49:34 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr15.174715.29166@menudo.uh.edu> murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna) writes:

>                                                        i have noticed (though,  
>this may just be my perception) that many indians (mainly the "older"  
>generation; like my parents) form "sub-cultures".  what i'm trying to say (not  
>very well, mind you) is that people of karnataka (FOR EXAMPLE) tend to meet,  
>congregate, stick it out, etc. with other people from karnataka.  not that it's  
>altogether bad thing, but it's usually to such an extent that they ignore other  
>indians (punjabis, FOR EXAMPLE).
>
>is this prejudice?  i don't know.  maybe.

No. I don't think the main reason is prejudice. When you meet people
from your part of India, you have more to relate to. When you are 
tranplanted to a different part of the world, you crave for such 
interactions.


>does this carry over into their children? 

For the same reason mentioned above, it probably is not
important to you if your friends family is from Karnataka or
from Punjab, at least not the same level as your parents feel.

I am not saying that there is no prejudice. Caste, community,
language, religion, wealth etc. also reasons why people form social
groups, all of which can be based on prejudice. And my answer to
your title question is that there will be prejudice until we all
die and there are no 'intelligent' beings on this planet. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,soc.culture.indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Host a foreign student and experience another culture
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:33:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian.american



I found this article on soc.culture.usa:
************************************************************************
EXPERIENCE ANOTHER CULTURE!

Host a high school foreign exchange student for the school year.
It's a wonderful family experience!
Call 1-800-SIBLING or Kathy @ 503-526-0254 for more details.

Brad Davis, GSS Inc, Beaverton OR
bradd@gss.com      (503) 671-8431
************************************************************************

There are other cultures other than the Indian culture in this world.
One way to get a glimpse of other cultures is to host a student from
the country whose culture you are interested in.

It is beneficial for both sides, since the student gets a home
in USA, while the host family gets a glimpse into the other culture
without spending all that money to travel to that country.

Either side learns about each other's culture - a healthy thing to do.


Alok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:48:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.213412.29961@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) writes:
> 
> Or maybe, Alok's on vacation and he's deputed Nag Bhai to 'run' scia
> in his absence. If that were the case, he would have the authority of
> the "enlightened creator" behind him...
> 

Actually I have now become the Preserver:)

Alok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: nalawad@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (NALAWADI  SHAILESH MALLIKARJUN)
Subject: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:58:52 GMT

With all due respect to freedom of speech etc. personal rivalries should be
left out of this net. I'm getting sick of reading Trina and Alok flaming each
other time and time again.

Shailesh Nalawadi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT 
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:38:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.152117.10204@cirrus.com>, venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:
> 
> I also consider it extreme arrogance on your part to speak for Trina. If she
> has any objection to what *I* said (WHICH IS UNDERSCORED ABOVE), *she* can
> take it with me...*you* dont come into the matter. 

By your own argument that once a matter is posted on the net, it no longer
is between the two, but it becomes a net matter. THat is how I came into 
it and this time defending Trina ;-)

> How is the above
> underlined statement harassment of you?  

Because you REPEATED the whole atrocious stuff posted by PRAVIN.

> 
> Moreover, I have received email from Trina pertaining to this very post by
> me, where she saw its humor and did not ignore the smiley like you did. 
> 

It was not your one line statement about thought police that bothered me.
It was your repeatition of Pravin's atrocious stuff in your reply.
It was quite unnecessary. By repeating it, you recklessly or intentionally 
(I hope not) emphasized Pravin's atrocity.

As far as Trina, I am relieved that she didn't mind your reply.
NOw I don't have to come to her defence.

> -- 
> Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com

Alok


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american