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From: lgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Linda Golder)
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:27:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.163846.18669@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Dec14.135507.20128@samba.oit.unc.edu> danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:
> 
> (in response to Ted Krueger's tale of woe):
> 
> >Wow, what a major bummer.  Sorry to be nosy, but I didn't quite catch the
> >description of the 'unchristian' activity.  Was it reading sf/fantasy?  Or
> >something really unmentionable like going to secular concerts or *gasp*
> >dancing?  Being in leadership is kinda funny.  Somehow you are expected to
> >keep up a certain image as to not offend nobody. 
> 
> I'm sorry to hear that too, Ted.  Sometimes people interpret the notion
> of freedom in Christ as freedom to goosestep along in neat, orderly
> lines.  I hope you can find a church that preaches the Word but still
> allows room for individual differences.

***(lots of other excellent thoughts deleted)***

> Andy Whitman
> AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio   (oh, how the counter-culture has 
> att!cblpn!ajw  or                         fallen)
> ajw@cblpn.att.com


The current Christian "ghetto goosestep" (cultural myopia) has given my
husband and me some real problems.  Yes, we're committed Christians.
Yes, we also enjoy sf/fantasy and other secular literature (I'm currently 
enjoying Kafka), concerts of many sorts, including "Christian", and we are
avid folk & contra dancers.  Many of our "not-yet-christian" contacts
have these same enjoyments, which serve as common ground for friendship.
(Remember friendship evangelism?  It works.)

Our problem?  We are concerned that as these friends come to Christ,
we will not be able to bring them into the life of a local church where
they could grow, because of the culture barrier.  

I truly wish that we, as believers could "major on the majors (doctrine)
and minor on the minors (culture)", and allow people some freedom 
of conscience.

For compassionate sanity - Linda Golder (lgolder @ hoh.mbl.edu)



Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: the ACM Journal
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:47:01 GMT

Hi.  The editor, Tom Stephenson, listed reasons such as radical
shift in available time and priorities (read: new baby)  for the
discontinuation of ACM Journal.  I believe that the CD is to 
continue annually.  If you get the magazine, look for the
"Boomer!" cartoon.  I did it.

Jeff "blow my own horn" Elbel

p.s. it's loosely about my reaction to people committing violence
against other people.  It includes several headlines usually
crowed about by the liberal groups (gay bashing, violence at pro-
choice rallies).  I don't support many of these people's views,
but violence is violence nonetheless.  I perceive that many 
Christians sit in quiet approval of some of these things.

Anyone care to add comment, or flames?  Perhaps after the
issue comes out...

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak)
Subject: Many Thanks
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:25:22 GMT

Thanks for all the news about Steven Curtis Chapman's CD that you had elm
me! All informations are helpful to me! Thanks!!!

In Him
Anson
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: david-s@hsr.no (David A. Sjoen)
Subject: Christian music mail order catalogs
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:42:58 GMT

Could anyone out there suggest any mail order catalogs of Christian
MCs/LPs/CDs?

Also, does anyone have the addresses for Word, Sparrow and other
Christian record companies?

Answers in email, please.

Thanks in advance,

:)avid

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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:46:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Old Christian music
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman) writes:

>               ...I would also be pleased to have the Latin to "O Come
> All Ye Faithful"  which I think is much later (11th century?)

I got most of it. I'm posting in case someone can fill in the missing line...

Adeste Fideles
Laeti (sp?) triumphantes
Venite, venite
Ad Bethlehem.

?...?   < the "come and adore Him" line, probably not precisely
                  translated in the English text
Regem angelorum
Venite adoremus,
Venite Adoremus,
Venite adoremus,
Dominum.

The thing that seems to echo in my head as the missing line is
"natus infantem" (the Child [is] born) or some such...

And as its been 20 years since I've declined a Latin noun, the endings 
are suspect...

Bob (Arma virumque cano...) Miller
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.234713.1859@umr.edu> JEFFS@UMRVMB.umr.edu writes:
>... Superstar ...

	Well, I missed the last Grateful Dead discussion, but I'll
	jump into this one...

>I suspect that, in spite of some serious "theological" errors, the
>curiosity it aroused in me regarding Jesus Christ was a healthy one and
>may have played an indirect role in my conversion several years later.

	My recollection from the time when it came out was that the
	biggest complaint about it by Christians was that it did not
	include the resurrection.  It was intended to be a look at
	the human side of Jesus, not a religious musical.  It,
	admittedly, did take a few liberties with the original story
	for dramatic purposes; for example, Pilate has the dream which
	is credited to his wife in the original story...

	I also remember when the song "Superstar" was originally
	released as a single.  That was the first time "Jesus Christ"
	had been mentioned on the radio in a rock 'n' roll song.
	Well, that and "Mrs. Robinson..."

>I still listen to it occasionally...

	Every year, sometime the week before Easter, I try to get
	up real early one morning and listen to the whole thing...
	the first time I ever heard it all the way through was in
	a Youth Group where we listened, somebody read John's story
	of the crucifixion during John Nineteen Forty One... and we
	talked about it afterwards.

	"Godspell" came along a couple years later and was hailed as
	a "Christian answer to Jesus Christ Superstar."  It wasn't art,
	though :-).  (In my opinion, the music to almost every song in
	"Godspell" is inappropriate to the lyrical text of the song.
	The songs in "Superstar" are much better integrated...)

>For
>example, at the last supper, Jesus' words: "For all you care, this bread
>could be my body.  For all you care, this wine could be my blood" seems
>to me to be a terrible misrepresentation of the first communion.

	Well, maybe if you're a transsubstantiationist.  I always thought
	this was an excellent line.  The thing I liked best about Superstar
	is that it took a lot of New Testament "sound bytes" and built
	them into a story that flows.  It presents an interpretation
	of the gospel story with the emphasis on "story" rather than on
	"gospel."

	Larry Norman says that he was offerred the lead in "Superstar"
	and turned it down.  He also writes that there were a lot of
	"spooky" things that happened during the original production on
	Broadway (sets falling down, etc.)...

Charles
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal Praise
Date: 12 Dec 1992 04:36:42 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.cs.bucknell.edu

In article <1992Dec11.173545.21292@npal.rn.com>, cthomas@npal.rn.com writes:
|> Has anyone ever heard the album heavy-metal praise?  I was wondering if it
|> was like the rock power praise albums (which I did not like)  I'm not
|> interested
|> in hymns with a rock beat but hymns with the same rythm and speed jus
|> HEAVY
|> 
|> 				CHUCKBILL


Well, judging by the artists who are on it (I forget them at this time, though),
it should be a pretty heavy album.  I heard it once, and I liked it.  Thrash
praise songs...whatta concept!!!

Take care, God bless.

John                     "Rockin' for the One Who is the Rock"
From: whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (The Blue Adept)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Anyone live in Salt Lake City
Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:58:55 -0500
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu

Hey everybody,

	I am currently a student at Bucknell University in Pennsylvania.
However, I live in the Salt Lake City, Utah area.  Since becoming a
Christian last year (my freshman year of college), I have lost touch
with a lot of my non-Christian friends in Utah.

	I would, however, like to meet any Christians in the area. I will
be treturning home for Christmas on December 20, and will be there until
January 4.  If you would like to get together and meet new Christians, and
hear what God has been doing in other parts of the country, give me a call.
Or E-mail me.

Thanx, and Love In Christ

Christopher M. Whelan
whelan@bucknell.edu

461 E. Surrey Run Rd.
Murray, Utah 84107

(801)262-7733

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tcryal@iastate.edu (Ford Prefect)
Subject: Re: Petra/Metra
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:55:14 GMT

In <1gip1iINNsao@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-1hy@web-1c.berkeley.edu (Albert Wu) writes:


[Stuff about concerts and albums munched.]

>Petraf(ph)onics is another collection album.  It does have one new song
>on it.  I think it's called Radio Daze (hmm. pretty similar title to
>Last Daze).
Actually Radio Daze is not really a new song.  It is a medley of choruses
from songs that have had air play (On Christian stations I think) with some
orchestration to fill in the gaps.

>Albert Wu
>UC Berkeley - EECS
>c60b-1hy@web.berkeley.edu

Tod
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From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:33:40 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

Folks who like JCS (and folks who don't indeed) might want to check
out Adrian Snell's "The Passion".  This has the same effect for me as
others have described JCS having on them.

As an aside: the (professional) production I saw of JCS finished with
the cast walking onto the stage at the end, and kneeling in silence
before a representation of the empty tomb.  In that producation at
lease, the ressurection was included.

Alison
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Carman still isn't an artist
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:37:54 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec10.190839.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Here comes another flame test, so beware!
>

Well, i'm still here for one more day, so i couldn't resist getting in
a few more last-minute posts...

I've got an idea.  Why don't we all just keep our own beliefs about whether
Carman is an artist.  The original, interesting thread has degenerated into
a series of personal attack and generally non-Christlike behavior from both
sides, and it looks like nobody's mind is gonna change.  So lets talk of other
things, shall we?

oblameattemptat last word :-)

Just for the record, it seems to me like the Carman is cool but not an
artist side has presented it's case much better.  The arguement has gone
more or less as follows:

'Carman isn't an artist' [insert logical, rational justification here]

'Carman is an artist...I like him!  You're an idiot!  Carman is an artist,
period.  End of discussion.'

'But Carman isn't an artist, because' [insert reiteration of logical, rational
justification here]

'Carman is an artist.  Period.  You must be a public relations major, you 
idiot.'

'But wait.  Carman isn't an artist because' [insert re-reiteration of logical
rational justification here]

and so on.  Lets just drop it.  

Address all flames to the address below.  I'll get back to you in January.

JRjr


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: johnm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (John Morris)
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Reply-To: johnm@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:09:36 GMT

> 	However, when I saw the musical performed at a church, it was done very
> well, and I saw the message of Christ's resurrection touch many people.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I haven't seen or listened to this in a while, but I thought that JCS ended with
the Crucifixion? That's one thing that upset me...they didn't finish the story!

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From: jwong@cs.arizona.edu (John Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Looking for Christian Radio Station in SF/Stanford Area
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:33:15 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


   Hi if you know of any Christian radio Station in the
San Francisco/ Stanford area, please send me a mail and tell
me what is the name and its frequency. Thankyou.



--
John Wong
From: acb@moscom.com (Amy Bourquin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Needing HELP in Washington DC!!
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:12:11 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <4785@moscom.com> acb@moscom.com (Amy Bourquin) writes:
> I will be moving to  Washington D.C. on December 21 and would appreciate
> any information that would help me make some Christian connections.
> good churches,etc.

Thanks for all the replys so far, since alot of people asked the same
questions, I thought I would repost.

I am moving from Rochester N.Y. to Capitol Hill to live with my sister.
I will be kind of a live in nannt for awhile for my 4 month old nephew
while my sister returns to work in early in January. After a few months
I will either look for a job or look into some short term summer missions.

Thanks for the support, I have family in D.C. but not of the Christian
variety.

Amy B.

P.S. More personal replies forthcoming.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: 1st Person Life of Christ music?
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:48:50 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Dec14.125721.4548@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>What are some of your favorite songs, written as if spoken/sung by the
>singer, dealing with events in the life of Christ?

Don't forget the following:

	Judas Iscariot - until the END of the WORLD / U2 / Achtung Baby

	Herod - Salome / U2 / Achtung Baby single 'even better than the real thing'

	Roman Centurion - When Love Comes to Town / U2 / Rattle And Hum

Maybe not exactly 'what you are looking for', but . . . ;-)

Tom (moeller@convex.com)
               I'm not good at things that I don't want to do.
 I Don't Know How To Say Goodbye To You / Sam Phillips / The Indescribable Wow
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Top Albums of 1992
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:31:21 GMT


Since the end of the year is rapidly coming upon us, it is time for us to
consider which albums moved us the most this year... here are my picks for
top albums of 1992:

(yeah, they're metal, ok?)

Tourniquet, "Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance" (Intense)

Living Sacrifice, "Non Existent" (R.E.X.)

Bride, "Snakes In The Playground" (Star Song)

Veni Domine, "Fall Babylon Fall" (R.E.X.)

Sardonyx, "Majestic Serenity" (Lightshine Int'l)

And top demos of 1992:

Consecrator, "Image of Deception"

Nonpoint Factor, "Dementia Into Reality"

Chosen Stranger, "Deathwalker"

How about you?

Phil

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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Good Christian Progressive
Keywords: Rhine Out Grey Progressive Christian
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:21:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

P.S. to Bill:

Since you're from Cincinnati, I thought you might know - 
Do you know what's become of
the Raisins?  I heard they're back together, post-Bears, as
a trio under a new name.  Got any info on them?

Jeff?
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tef@sei.cmu.edu (Tracey Fox)
Subject: Jesus Loves Me
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:18:44 EST

Has anyone heard Whitney Houston's version of "Jesus Loves Me"?  It was
produced by both Whitney and BeBe Winans.  It's really beautiful.


Tracey

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu (charles stigers)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 19:40:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.115744.756@ab.wvnet.edu>, myers_c@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
|> In article <1g5lmeINN6f5@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, phucy@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G J Cafolla) writes:
|> > In article <1992Dec8.170803.2710@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
|> > [....] some text deleted
|>
|> > 	So I take it that you have read ALL of the other versions.  The fact
|> > that the American Standard is considered to be the most accurate rendering
|>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> > means nothing to you ?  You obviously speek to people in thous thees and
|> > tho's !.  Thou art !!
|> > 
|> 
|> I thought it was the New International Version that was the most accurate.  I
|> may be wrong though.
|> 
    The NAS is the most accurate LITERAL translation - this means that the
sentence structure is messed up sometimes and it's a little less readable
because of it.

    The NIV on the other hand sacrifices a little bit of LITERAL accuracy
for readability sake, but it is IMHO the best currently available.

     Chris ACE Stigers     -      stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:38:13 GMT

Uh, couldn't we move this stuff somewhere else?  This doesn't fit in with
the charter at *all*  If someone starts a conversation like this (out of
ignorance or defiance of the _explicitly stated_ purpose of the group)
let's just move the conversation or ignore them, pleaaaase??

If I want this stuff, I can go elsewhere. BTW, is there a decent
non-moderated group for discussions of this kind?

danielg

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From: tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (tad hwang)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's Old Xmas Album--Question
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:47:45 GMT

Amy Grant's '86 (?) Christmas album IS on CD.  My non-Amy fan friend loaned it to me.  It is a GREAT album!!!!  Just as good as her new one!    



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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ralthoff@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Rob Althoff)
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.200936.6180@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
johnm@oakhill.sps.mot.com writes: 

>> 	However, when I saw the musical performed at a church, it was done very
>> well, and I saw the message of Christ's resurrection touch many people.
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I haven't seen or listened to this in a while, but I thought that JCS
>ended with the Crucifixion? That's one thing that upset me...they didn't
>finish the story! 

I think that perhaps the reason that the show was written without the
resurrection was an attempt to allow Jewish theatregoers to see the show
without becoming offended.  I remember hearing this one time but cannot
remember the source.

Rob
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: pray naked
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:05:47 GMT

 
 If Christian doesn't give you your True News back, I can get one for
 you.  Just let me know, then come see FAREWELL TO JULIET and ANIMATOR
 on FRIDAY DEC 7 at MABEL's!!!! I'll give it to you at the show.
  
  I can schmooze in my follow-ups too! ;)
   
   But seriously, if you need one, let me know.
    
    Jeff Elbel
    FTJ
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:21:46 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1gii6sINN5l7@coral.bucknell.edu>, whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (The Blue Adept) writes:
|> Hi Everybody,
|> 
|> 	I jsut wanted to bring up a topic that was of interest to me and
|> see what everyone else thought.  I am (as I write) listening to Andrew
|> Lloyd Weber's Jesus Christ Superstar... 

[stuff deleted]

|>...My question is this:  Is it wrong to listen to this musical, even if
|> it can touch people?  Is the musical wrong?  


  I've never listened to the whole thing.  Do the lyrics specifically
distort the gospel or the person of Jesus?  Do they blaspheme in any
way?

-- Tim