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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL question
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:15:32 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

eastmer@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>the story goes like this:
>A FOAF of mine bought/had/was given a lage amount of acid and for some 
>reason (cops/pace to put it/accident) put said acid somewhere on his/her 
>body (up shirt/down drawers/front pocket).  This person then sweats and 
>trips until, at the conclusion of the story, they lose touch with reality. 

>I have heard this story told with up to 3 sheets.  In two completely 
>seperate accounts our hero ends up believing him/her self to be a glass of 
>orange juice.(one afraid some one will tip him, and the other looking for 
>a way to drink herself)

	I read this one in a book when I was a kid.   "The poor boy who
thought he was a glass of OJ and wigged, afraid he would be drunk."

	Sounds like all your FOAFs read the same book, and their memories
got a little mixed up.   Just call the teller a liar next time you hear 
it.

>ps. sorry to disappoint those of you who wrote me after my last post to 
>tell me how cool I am for using N2O, but I just did it once and never 
>really felt the urge again.

Just don't run for president, unless you didn't inhale.

Jim "Yes I do have allergies, I just like to hold cigars" Del Vecchio
From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid activities
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:26:20 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
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rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:

>You never know about the placebo effect but I have felt that every time
>I have remembered to take a gram of vitamin C a couple of hours in
>advance I have had more intense trips.  Also more enjoyable.  But this
>could be totally in my head. :-)

From my experience, C is likely to make you less paranoid if you
are so inclined. Can make the trip more pleasant, less tiring.

Niacin in 1-2 gram dose can abort a trip, but not as effectively
as anti-psychotics. The latter are not a pleasant way to abort
a trip, though. Tried it once -- it makes it hard to think,
let alone think "bad" thoughts. Niacin sort of dissolves the
LSD effects after about 30 minutes or so. You are still tripping
in some sense, but it is easy to ignore.
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
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From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: Dosing...
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:44:55 GMT

BogusMan (donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu) wrote:
: In article <Bwv1zC.8zt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kari@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kari) writes:
: >Hi everyone,
: >	This weekend, a FOAF is going to dose on some pretty good stuff.  He
: >says that it will *probably* be the last for a while.  He is wondering how he
: >should dose.  He has 4 hits lined up.  His question:  is it better to take all
: >four at once or 2 at first, then when he starts coming down, take the other 2?
: >He also wonders if 3 then 1 would work.  According to his fellow dosers, you 
: >won't reach the same height of your trip with more doses on your way down, but
: >he would like other people's inputs.  Keep in mind that he has only tripped
: >3 times...1 hit, 1.25 hits and 1.5 hits.  Will additional 'on-the-way-down' 
: >hits get him back up or lengthen the trip or have minimal effects?  Thanks
: >for your time and information (if any). 
: >Bye....
: >	Kari
: > 
: 
: I checked with my FOAF and he says that your FOAF should just do them all
: at once.  then he or she should go lie down and contemplate the
: ceiling for the first four or five hours.
: He says that the first time he did 4 hits, he almost lost it, but it
: wasn't hard to control once he layed down and chilled out. Still claims 
: it was one the mmost significatn moments of his life.
: Hope this helps!
: 					--Judex--
  So how much is a "hit"?  Taking 4 80ug blotters is very different
from taking, say, 4 500ug blotters.  With the latter you could be scraping
your psyche off the floor and walls for several weeks.  
  My experience, from a couple of "bad" trips, is that for me there is 
some sort of threshold dosage past which I stop being able to reality test.
That is, instead of just having wild and crazy thoughts I start fully 
believing whatever comes into mind at peak zone, until I have come down 
from the peak a bit.  This is potentially _hazardous_, and also not at all
fun if you get into a scary line of thought.
  For me the threshold seems to be somewhere around 400ug to 500ug, depending
on set and setting and other variables.  I tend to have more of a head trip
than many trippers, and in any case, one person's experiences need not
extrapolate cleanly to another's.  If your sensitivity were similar to my
own, or less, and your hits were the canonical 100ug, then you might have a 
good time just going for it; if you think your hits are bigger, or you 
might be sensitive, you might want to cut back or take them in two stages.  
  If you do take them in two stages, make sure you wait until the first rush
has fully come on before you take the second; the feeling of panic when you
realize "This is already too strong, and I've just taken double the dose"...
Well, enough said.
  Take care and have fun.
  -- Clifton

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Subject: alt.drugs
From: onda@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:50:02 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College




		Question:
		how did acid turn to X. (No flame intended)
		Anyways i think that when you do acid it is
		fun to go places... Almost anywhere is cool
		as long as you have someone you can relate to
		but personnally i perfer Large 24-hour supermarkets
		cause you can go at 2 or 3 in the morning and
		you have the place to yourself it is almost like a 
		different world.  :)   But again watching the walls are cool
		and expecially batchroom shower curtains with any
		design on them.  :)
                Another thing is keep moving there is so much
		to see it is a beautiful world out there.

		jason, the most imfamous man in Philippi
		                                      
                                                        
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From: goddard@cae.wisc.edu (Goddard Denis)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Bong Question
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:39:57 CST
Keywords: anonymous

In article <Bx3o5F.JDy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> app45293@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ZUSS) writes:
>
>>	What is the premium amount of water to be used in a bong?  Most 
>
>	It's not the volume of water that is important, rather it's the
>depth thru which the smoke is forced to travel.  The choice is up to you--
>deeper will cool the smoke more, ....
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Just thought I'd make a nit-picking point. :)
 While this is indeed true, the depth of the water (hence the duration that
the bubbles spend in contact with water) also determines how much of the
nasty tar and particulates and useless water-soluble chemicals get 'trapped'
in the water (this being the whole idea of using water in the first place).
 From this standpoint, it makes NO SENSE AT ALL to use alcoholic beverages
in a bong (unless you REALLY enjoy the "taste" of the resulting smoke), since
the THC _is_ soluble in alcohol, and you lose potency in the smoke as a result.

 
> --  Tony Pulokas
>     University of Illinois, Urbana/Champaign
>     College of Engineering

 Denis Goddard
 yet another Altered Engineer  (rave on!)


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From: ahead@nyx.cs.du.edu (Adam Head)
Subject: Psychedelic effects of Flenfluramine
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 20:33:42 GMT


According to Meyler's Side Effects of Drugs (10th ed 1984) in addition
to Flenfluramine's (Ponderal, Ponderax) well known side effects of
sedation and sleepiness the drugs is reported to have been abused
leading to 'euphoria, de-personalization and perceptual changes'
following the ingestion of up to 400mg.  Three from eight subjects
receiving 240mg reported 'psychedelic states'.  Hopefully those
reporting these effects could tell the difference between
toxic psychotic states following amphetamine overdose and LSD-type
effects.

This form of the drug is a mixture of S and L isomers.  Nichol's 
rats have suggested the S isomer to have MDMA-like effects as well
as similar neurotoxicity (not proved to be harmful to humans).

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: LSD manufacture
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:00:13 GMT

ketil@sandel.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde) writes:
: 
: Not to be picky here, but (well, maybe a little bit picky) I thought
: LSD is inorganic?  Also, I thought it wasn't really that difficult to
: manufacture, but I could be wrong, of course.  On all accounts. :-)

Nope - it is an organic substance. Its formula, but not structure, is
C15H15N2-CON(C2H5)2. It was originally derived from the ergot alkaloids.

Bill
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Intro to Extasy
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:38:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <92308.193217KRF105@psuvm.psu.edu> KRF105@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could assist a few stressed out
>engineers with a background on the drug eXtasy.  MY questions are as follows:
>(1) Cost per pill - I've been told around $30.

$20 seems to be the going rate around here.  Of course, I'd rather pay $30
for a good dose than $20 for a dose of Clorox.  ;)  Try not to buy it 
from someone you don't know.  (This is true of all drugs)

>(2) Are there any hallucinations or side effects to be concerned with?

At low doses there are no hallucinations, but the pupils do get larger like
they do with acid.  It is fully possible to drive on a freeway or read a
book while dosed (though the driving may not be recommended, as you may be so
in tune to other things going on that you'll forget you're driving. ;)

The only sure side-effect is that you will be in a generally good mood for
anywhere from the next day to the rest of your life.  Another side effect is
increased tolerance to the effects, but if you don't dose more than once a
month or so this isn't a significant issue.  As for health effects, they
are not fully understood (sadly because it was put on Schedule 1, so even
testing is illegal!), but anecdotal and some clinical evidence suggests that
it would be wise not to dose more than once every three weeks or month anyways.
There have been no deaths attributed to the neurotoxical effects of the drug
(there is an FDA-approved drug on the market which is three times as neuro-
toxic) but a few deaths have been linked to severe dehydration.  Be sure and
drink lots of water if/when you dose!

>(3) Ability to administer to someone (ie unwilling girlfriend) without the
>    individual being conscious of the drug.

The ethics of this question have already been discussed.  I will answer
you question as asked: it is a colorless powder, it takes really awful,
but when mixed into a glass of coca cola or something can be disguised.

I will only say that I am against the death penalty, but thinking of someone
dosing another without their knowlege almost makes me want to reconsider.

>(4) Best place to come in touch with some -

Alt.drugs is not your one-stop-shop-and-drop (sorry, I couldn't refuse ;)
Like I said before, buy it only from someone you feel comfortable with, not
from the guy walking around the crowd saying, "X? X? X?".  Try meeting
people at raves, interacting with them, maybe a few will have some leads.

	Brian

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"MDMA is like getting a glimpse at the picture on the box of the jigsaw puzzle
of life.  You still have to put the pieces together." - Rick Ingrasci, Ph.D.
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Menthol! was Re: Snow Bong! (was Bong ideas)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:21:09 GMT

IO20639@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
: Where on earth did you get that little gem of a fact?  since when does
: alcohol remove THC?  My FOAF tried a bong with Southern Comfort, and I can
: attest to the fact that the THC was deffinately still in the smoke. Please,
: if I am wrong, let me know!
: 

Ethanol (alcholol) is one of the best solvents you can use to extract
THC from MJ so I think it is soluble.  Not enough of the smoke within
the bubbles is getting exposed to the solvent however to extract much
from it and the methanol in this case is half diluted with water in
which THC is definitely not soluble.  Try pulling it through one of
those little fish tank bubblers though to make lots of tiny bubbles
and I'll bet you'll notice a difference.

Bob
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

        "One can learn to be alone, even enjoy it, but let intimacy
         break that solitude, even briefly, and one must start all
         over again."

                                                     Elia Kazan


               PGP 1.0 or 2.0 public key available on request.
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From: rda767f@nella8.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Leighton)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:16:44 GMT

eastmer@yang.earlham.edu writes:

>I don't know about where you live, but there is an import store very near
>my house where you can get 24 one hit N2O cannisters for about 7 bucks.
>with crackers and punch balloons right next to them.(for making whipped 
>cream, of course |8) ) If you look like I do then they may ask for proof of
>being over 18.  three free balloons with a package. I didn't see any warning
>label.

I hate to say this but you have your facts mixed up!!
Those little cannisters contain Nitrogen Dioxide which is NO2. Nitrous
Oxide is NO and is known as laughing gas, hence the high that is achieved.
There is also Dinitrogen oxide N2O which is obtained when heating NO.
Be warned!! N2O is highly poisonous ie LETHAL.

-- 
Mark.
rda767f@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au
rda767f@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au   
bagel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au     
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: shawn reddy
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:18:03 GMT

honig@dixie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes:
:  billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:
: >:
: >: >IS this some vein attempt at religion?  Don't you have something better to do?
: >: >Go baptize someone, for Christ's sake...
: 
: Baptism is wimp, dude.  Get with it.  If you're *really* committed,
: cut part of your dick off.

Hey, David. I usually respect your postings. However, I did not write
any part of what you quoted. Why did you put my name on it?

Bill
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From: bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson)
Subject: Re: Frog skins
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:35:45 GMT

In article <1cfg30INNheq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> jjf@cats.ucsc.edu (Jeffrey John Furman) writes:
>
>I have yet another question:
>Can anyone tell me the usefulness of the skins of the toads "bufo
>marinus" and "bufo americanus".  What are their psychoactive propertys
>(if any)?  What chemicals and in what concentrations are found in them?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>JJ Furman         jjf@cats.ucsc.edu
>


  EAT A TOAD, GO TO JAIL. IT'S THE LAW.
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Ketamine
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:07:35 GMT

In article <5NOV199203350899@vx9000.weber.edu> melbarbari@vx9000.weber.edu (Mansour Elbarbari) writes:
>I have never seen any mention of the drug ketamine (vitamin K) on here before..

It's been mentioned here before.

>This could be one of the most incredible drugs available.. Its similar to
>PCP in its chemical structure but is non addictive..

It would be expected to have some sort of withdrawal syndrome after
prolonged administration, much like PCP.  However, neither is particularly
clinically relevant.

>It was used in hospitals
>as a general anasthetic but was given up after many many patients would
>convey out of body experiences and other worldy experiences.

It's still used in those situations that it's best suited for.
It's a niche anesthetic, and is not widely used.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: maxwell@foo.bang.splat
Subject: Re: Info needed on Spanish Fly !!!!!
Organization: Gizmonic Research Institute, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:02:51 GMT
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jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven) writes:
> |> 9127847h@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
> |> 
> |> >Hello to all......
> |> >A friend of mine spiked his next door neighbours drink with
> |> >Spanish Fly.... and a few minutes later she was rubbing herself
> |> >and then she tore his clothes off and made passionate love to him...
> 
> Shouldn't this be in alt.sex.bestiality.insects?
> 
> John

Try alt.drugs.bugs.

r.m

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From: jbwell02@nx26.mik.uky.edu (john b wells)
Subject: RE:  Acid info...can't get up 
Keywords: seven hits and nothing
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:13:09 GMT

Hey guys...let me ask you question...a foaf took 2 1/2 hits six days ago.
that night...he had one of the best visual trips of his life...today...
he got more of the same shit and took four...nothing.  then he took
three more...still nothing.  maybe just a little, but he's had better
trips on half a hit.  A friend of his said its just his mind not 
letting the drug work...but he thinks he got ripped off...the girl
he got it from promises to reimburse, but its not likely to happen.
    Has anybody had a similair experience???  Does anyone know why
he might not of tripped????  Or is it impossible not to on this
much acid...Did he get ripped??? I say he did.  But he told me
to post it and see what everyone thought.  Thanks.
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From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: Acid activities
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:27:02 GMT

In article <1db9boINN6fa@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrec@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C L Mountford) writes:

>	My acid using friends use Vitamin C to abort bad trips. Apparently
>it brings you down prematurely, don't ask me how. Can anyone confirm or
>provide definite evidence to contrary? (And no bullshit please).
>
>	Thanx
>		Col

Heh.  Sounds like you got your urban legends mixed up.  The vitamin C in
orange juice is supposed to "enhance" your trip.  Niacin is supposed to
"abort bad trips".  As far as I know, both these are false.  Using
vitamin C to abort bad trips sounds extra-double-false.
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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: P. arundinacea alkaloids
Summary: Not much of interest
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:44:16 GMT

Summarized from "Alkaloid content of reed canarygrass (Phalaris
arundinacea L.) as determined by gas-liquid chromatography", by
Duynisveld, Slominski, Wittenberg, and Campbell, in Canad. J. Plant
Sci. 70: 1097--1103. (Oct. 1990)

These folks looked for gramine, hordenine, and 5MeO-DMT in various
cultivars of P. arundinacea grown in various locations.  No 5MeO-DMT
was found.  Hordenine (N,N-dimethyltyramine -- tyramine is
p-OH-Phe-amine) was found at 1.5 to 2.1 g/kg.  Gramine (like DMT,
but the side chain is one shorter) was found at 0.3 g/kg in initial
growth; 1.2 g/kg in regrowth.  These result are for dried material,
I believe.

The "Castor" cultivar, in which no 5MeO-DMT was found, was said to
produce it "in Castor samples grown in a growth cabinet but not when
grown under field conditions". [Majak]

They give a nice summary of the alkaloid extration procedure --
nothing extraordinary.  Methanol+1%NH4OH extraction for 30 minutes
was found to be necessary and sufficient for maximal (90%)
extraction.

The rather unexciting findings here do not mean that P. arundinacea
necessarily has nothing worthwhile.  The authors cite [Marum] in
saying that P. arundinacea has been found to contain "gramine,
hordenine, four tryptamines, and three beta-carbolines."  If
nobody's library has "Crop Science", guess I'll hit inter-library
loan again.

Refs used:
Majak, McDiarmid, van Ryswyk, Broersma, and Bonin.  1979.  "Alkaloid
levels in reed canarygrass grown on wet meadows in British
Columbia."  J. Range Manage. 32: 322--326.

Marum, Hovin, and Marten.  1979.  "Inheritance of three groups of
indole alkaloids in reed canarygrass."  Crop Sci. 19: 539--544.

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Acid activities (Vitamin C)
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:52:38 GMT


 ALD is N-acetyl LSD. It has about the same effect and potency, but does
have some "speediness" to it. I have often wondered how and why ALD gets
substituted for LSD. Is it easier to make or what? Could it be that a
chemist out there _is_ totally synthesizing lysergic aacid and the
N-acetyl is a remnant of the lysergic acid synth? Just wild speculation...

St. Anthony

--
          / N \   O         Laszt uns're Seelen vom Schimmel befreien!
         |   \ |  || Ph     Laszt uns're Schaedel vom Pilzbewuchs befreien!
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH     Im Aas sielen! (correct my German!)
          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid Music (sorry to net.vets)
Date: 14 Nov 92 05:10:33 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Aaron R. Miller writes:
>
> i definitel vote for floyd.  especially the really long instrumentals
> like echoes (all of meddle), and SoYCD.  i totally focused on the music
> and couldn't do anything else (not that i wanted to).  but when coming
> down, listening to Dark Side, i saw shadows moving around the room and
> the music sounded reallly ominous.  oh well...


...I'd have to second that vote...reminds me the time I watched a bass note
come out of my speakers, flip on it's horizontal axis and then slip to the
floor while listening to Wish You Were Here...

I would also vote for anything by Jefferson Airplane...the older the better.

I guess I'm showing my age with that one...


John
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