HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: Gold CDs (was CDs are timebombs?)
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:13:16 GMT

In article <PETER.92Oct15192344@seventy.spider.co.uk>, peter@spider.co.uk (Peter Reid) writes:
>
>Peter dredges up old chemistry classes...
>
>When a thin layer of aluminium oxide forms it acts as a barrier to further
>oxidation of the underlying metal (unlike iron oxide, which still lets
>oxygen through to the unoxidised iron), so if a little scratch did form
>that got through to the metal layer, wouldn't that just cause a little,
>localised defect (that might be small enough to be coped with by the error
>handling features of the player)?  Unless the plastic covering isn't bonded
>properly to the metal, letting oxygen seep all the way in.
>
>I'm off home to scratch an old CD down to the metal layer, to see what
>happens.  Progress will be reported over the next few weeks...
>
>Peter Reid - Project Consultant      |   Spider Systems Limited

I've posted similar information before, even quoting from Cotton's and 
Wilkinson's classic advanced inorganic chemistry text! :)  But people still 
don't seem to believe it.  Another point is that aluminum oxide is colorless 
or white, not the dark color that people sometimes attribute to aluminum 
oxidation.  The other point I made some months ago is that aluminum is very 
sensitive to oxygen.  The chances that the aluminum reflective layer of a CD 
is not already oxidized before it's fully encased in polycarbonate are very 
slim.  I think CDs would have to be made under very rigorous conditions (ie., 
under nitrogen, argon or other inert atmosphere) to avoid oxidation of the 
aluminum.

-Lynn

< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)  >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110       >
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Good CD stores in Pittsburgh
From: dascalos@eve.wright.edu (Andre Agassi)
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:44:36 EST
Organization: Wright State University
Keywords: Pittsburgh, Bootlegs, Imports

I am going to be spending a week in Pittsburgh and I was wondering if
someone could tell me where some good CD stores are located.  My definition
of good is one that has imports, bootlegs, and/or lotsa cut-outs.  I am
going to be staying near the airport so could you give me good directions
also.  

Thanks
Chuck



--
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   Chuck Dascalos             Department of Computer Science and Engineering
   Wright State University    Email:dascalos@eve.wright.edu 
   Dayton, OH
From: ponder@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Carl Ponder)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: QUERY: King Biscuit CD's?
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:20:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Oct14.022016.8766
Distribution: na
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.

I was at a record convention this weekend, and saw a CD of a King Biscuit
broadcast -- Emerson, Lake & Palmer in 1974 -- and the date on the CD was
1991. I assume it was one two things:

	1] A bootleg, recorded off of an original (1974?) King
	    Biscuit broadcast (radio, or tape or vinyl distribution), or

	2] King Biscuit is broadcasting some old recordings.

My question is, is King Biscuit doing any significant number of rebroadcasts
like this, and if so, how do you find out what and when they're going
to broadcast? For that matter, has anyone ever compiled a list of the
shows that have been broadcast on King Biscuit, The Live Show, etc?

	-- Carl Ponder
	oakhill!ponder@cs.utexas.edu

(My own interest is in tracking down recordings of YES from the 1974-1976 
period, and I remember there being some King Biscuit shows in that period.)
From: mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:10:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Aliens ate my Buick
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd

I have heard from several CD sellers that _Aliens Ate My Buick_ is 
currently out of print.

Michael Bishop
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From: mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL P DIXON)
Subject: Re: CDs are timebombs?
Originator: mpdixon@c00526-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL P DIXON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:32:49 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.182936.26461@ncsu.edu>, mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL P DIXON) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
|> Path: taco!mpdixon
|> From: mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL P DIXON)
|> Subject: Re: CDs are timebombs?
|> Message-ID: <1992Oct14.182936.26461@ncsu.edu>
|> Originator: mpdixon@c00526-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu
|> Lines: 39
|> Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System)
|> Reply-To: mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL P DIXON)
|> Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
|> References:  <1992Oct14.093749.13565@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
|> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:29:36 GMT+5:00
|> 
|> 
|> In article <1992Oct14.093749.13565@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |>   I recently heard that CDs have a life of about 18 years....
|> |> 
|> |>   Unlike records, which CAN last a VERY long time (if you take care of them 
|> |> and play them only when you need to make a copy of them), CDs supposedly 
|> |> are basically time-bombs. They will be worthless (unplayable) in 18 years 
|> |> time or so.. Is this true? Is this supposed 'Indestructable media' actually 
|> |> crap? I've invested a great deal of money in CDs, and I want to know what's 
|> |> up with this stuff..
|> |> 
|> |>   Supposedly, the paint is at fault; they use a petroleum based paint which 
|> |> eats through the plastic.. 
|> |> 
|> |>   Any responses on this matter would be greatly appreciated...
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
|> |> @@ Brian Bernstein (Drone)           @@ "I'm a white dread, I'm a white   @@ 
|> |> @@ bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu @@  dread, so? I got a little ring   @@
|> |> @@-----------------------------------@@  and I hang it from my nose.."    @@
|> |> @@ the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers!@@                -Jane's Addiction  @@
|> |> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
|> |> 
|> 

Sorry about the typo, this response is correct.
 
 Alright, I read the other people's responses.  The thing that has some truth
 is that if your CD has a very deep scratch the aluminum may oxidize and the
 CD would not operate correctly.  That is why they have come out with the 
 overpriced "GOLD" CD's.  They should not have that problem if scratched.
 The moral of the story, DON'T SCRATCH YOUR CD'S!
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
Mike Dixon
mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu
 
Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:6924 rec.music.marketplace:1742
From: gts@gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Evil Microwizard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.marketplace
Subject: Wanted Thomas Dolby UK cd (clarification)
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:27:13 GMT
Reply-To: gts@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Followup-To: rec.music.cd

hi.  i'm that guy who was looking for the thomas dolby single, the
double-disc holding part of the 'close but no cigar' set (i think it's
out of print, according to angst@ucsb).

what i'm looking for, i guess, is not used copies (not that i'd turn
those down, but see below) but new copies, as i need two of them.  if
some kind soul here in the usa or in the uk would scan the nearby stores and
see if it turned up, i'd be eternally grateful, besides paying
postage :)

used ones will be considered, too, but they've got to be in good
condition; and, most importantly, i need two of them.

thanks for your continued attention!
--
Dr. Evil Microwizard - Greg Samson (gts@gnu.ai.mit.edu)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 20:20:33 EDT
From: M.A. Murphy <MURPH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: WANTED: _Starfleet Project_ by Brian May & Friends (CD)
 <BvtG4y.JwC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
 <Oct.8.22.34.23.1992.20840@andromeda.rutgers.edu>

In article <Oct.8.22.34.23.1992.20840@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) says:
>
>dlb54694@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard) writes:
>
>
>>>_Starfleet Project_
>>>by Brian May & Friends
>
>
>I remember this album, it is not very good.  My friend who is a strong
>QUEEN fan hated it, and traded it off long ago.  I have seen it at a
>few collectors shows, but that's all.

I don't think being a Queen fan is terribly relevant in the case of the
_Star Fleet Project_ EP.  Brian May is involved, but the music is hardly
like what you would hear on a typical Queen album.  Which, I imagine,
was part of the point.  Brian got together with some friends to jam
a bit (the lengthy "Blues Breaker" is a good example) and knock off
couple of other tunes (among them the "Star Fleet" theme which is/was
from a BBC series).  I'm sure they didn't care much if it was released,
but when the record label saw Brian and Eddie Van Halen on the same
session, they probably jumped on it.
-------

                                            Murph

                                            Michael A. Murphy
                                            MURPH@MAINE.BITNET

If you do not understand my silence
you will not understand my words.
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CDs are timebombs?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:27:35 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <1bhp6eINNg5p@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, roger@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Roger Donahue) writes:
|> The fact is that a friend had a CD copy of R.E.M.'s Green which became
|> unplayable after about a year. I tried the disc on 3 different players in
|> addition to several that he tried it on, and in each case the disc sounded like
|> a lot of static, with bits of music thrown in. It did not sound like the
|> typical ticking noises you get from severe scratches or big smudges.

I think it is *very* important to differentiate between media life and
manufacturers defect.  I too have had CD's, a Rainbow and a Shostakovich,
become unplayable after a period of time.  As with Roger, both were
returned to the manufacturer and they were replaced.  The replacements
are just fine.

I still like the chances of CD against either vinyl or tape.

Bob

-- 
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
From: ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: DOORS ON CD
Date: 17 Oct 1992 03:50:58 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct14.144558.7647@iscsvax.uni.edu> dutkowsk5111@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.155232.9004@vestek.com>, marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>>      What about 'Weird scenes inside the goldmine' ?
>> 
> "Weird Scenes" has been deleted from the Elektra catalog :-(
> I heard that they will be at least putting "Who Scared You" on the new
> pressings of "The Best of the Doors" Double CD they already have. ;-)

But what about "Don't Go No Farther" (a Muddy Waters cover song that was
only included on _Weird Scenes_ and the obscure 45 B-side it originated)?
Any plans for it to be released in the box-set or elsewhere?
-- 
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=	   or		|						=
= krieg@point.cs.uwm.edu| 				    - Astoroth	=
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: WAMADEUS, dammit (Re: BMG Phone Number)
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:33:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.151729.725@ncsu.edu>, mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL P DIXON) writes:
|> 
|> Help, I tried the number in the article to call and cancel the selection of
|> the month service and it is not BMG.  Please check the 1-800 number that was 
|> posted and repost a correct one.  Thanks abunch!
|> 

Then you hung up without asking...

1-800-WAM-ADEU (S)

They don't answer the phone "BMG Music Service", but rather
"Thank you for calling the International Preview Society..."

Trust me, it is BMG - or at least they handle BMG customer support.

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From: dfong@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Ryuichi Sakamoto's Heartbeat
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:21:51 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <6430@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:
> I've just played a tape of the Japanese version of "Heartbeat", and have been
> amazed to find that not only does it not have the David Sylvian 
> collaborations "Heartbeat (Tainai kaiki)" and "Cloud #9", but that the
> rhythm track for "Heartbeat (Tainai kaiki)" is present with a different voice
> over the top. This "different voice" is not very listenable BTW. 

> The UK version of "Heartbeat" didn't come out until many months after the
> Japanese one, so if the song has been "remade", the Sylvian version is the
> remake.

Don't if this helps or not, as you may have this already.

I have the Uk digibox CD  (VSUDG 57)  (came in a blue box with 2 photos)

Tracks and accompanying credits are :

1. Heartbeat (tainai kaiki II - returning to the womb)     ~5:30
   Words by Sylvian and Sakamoto
   Music by Sakamoto, Sylvian and Arto Linsday
   Talking by John Cage from Mureau.
   Ingrid Chavez appears courtesy of Pailey Park.

2. Forbidden Colours (87 recording)
   written by Sylvian/Sakamoto

3. Heartbeat I
   words by Jeffrey Cohen
   music by Sakamoto/Satoshi Tomile

4. Nuages                                            ~2:21
   based on a trad. song/arranged by Sakamoto


I have not had a good listen to the whole CD.
Some comments :

(1) is slow moving, Chavez has her typical whispery voice.
The talking I thought was Sylvian first, but on closer inspection
it doesn't really sound like him.

(2) sounds far better than the version I had previously heard,
(the one from the soundtrack ? How many versions are there ?)

(3) this version has a dance beat going through it.
    Not much vocals - well, as far as I can tell.

(4) probably the album version. Has a female vocalist
   'chanting' or whatever throughout it.

If you want a better description ask me, cause I'll listen to it
more thoroughly tonight !

Also, Ingrid Chavez had an album out last year I think. It got a 4 or 5
out of 10 from N.M.E.  The main downfall being her whispery style
of singing, and the paisley/love/flowers/birds/etc influence in the
lyrics.

The best single off this was the catchy 'Hippy Blood'.
I don't know your specific musical tastes, but the 7-or-so-track
US 12" is soooo goood  !!
The different mixes are really GREAT !!!

De Fish!                      
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: @moci.uucp
Subject: Re: Help on song in Listerine Commercial---Please!
Organization: ICOM, Inc., West Allis, WI
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:55:45 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

nwchritton@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Badass Gremlin) writes:
: I want the name of the song and the artists for the Listerine commecial.
: 
: I don't know who it is, and would like to get the cd for it.
: 
: Anyone know who it is?
: 
: It have the "tarzan" yell in it.
: 
: Thanks all,
: -Neil

Try the group 'Romeo Void', but I don't know the song.  I doubt
they had more than one album.  From the early 80's I think.

KaiB
kai@uwm!moci
ICOM Inc.
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Looking For Mail Order Import CD Sources
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:11:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

drop email to angst@cs.ucsb.edu

good prices, and he's reliable.  
- bob gaj
From: louisp@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Mike Perez)
Subject: Re: Help on song in Listerine Commercial---Please! : Isn't it...
X-Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Reply-To: The Mominator <louisp@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU>
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:43:03 GMT
X-Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <1bhsvkINNi07@aludra.usc.edu> you write:
>In article <1992Oct13.010819.13508@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> nwchritton@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Badass Gremlin) writes:
>>I want the name of the song and the artists for the Listerine commecial.
>>
>>I don't know who it is, and would like to get the cd for it.
>>
>>Anyone know who it is?
>>
>>It have the "tarzan" yell in it.
>>
>>Thanks all,
>>-Neil
>
>If I recall correctly, it's not 'Romeo Void' as Kaib@ICOM
>mentioned.  I always thought that song was ...
>
>"Tarzan Boy" by a group called Baltimora.
>
>I remember this tidbit because 1) I was looking for the song 4 years ago
>and found out it doesn't exist o CD, 2) the song was on the KROQ 200, 3) I
>recently saw the video on best of MTV 120 minutes.
>
>Correct me if I am wrong (but I am pretty sure I am right).
>
>=eugene=
>
>`
>--
>=>   Eugene Hsu  (aka HEUGE)          The University of Southern California   <=
>=<   eugenehs@aludra.usc.edu          Electrical and Biomedical Engineering   >=
>=>      "...when you have the remote, nothing on TV looks good, but when      <=
>=<           someone else has the remote, EVERYTHING looks good..."           >=

Baltimora "Living in the Background"
Song Title:  "Tarzan Boy"

/\/\ike Perez
louisp@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
From: constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Gold CDs (money grubbing bastards)
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:22:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct14.202004.3280@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>And in their defense, aside from the marketing and the gold, one of the
>*main* reasons that the *gold* CDs are so expensive is because they are
>all *limited* editions!!  Those companies sign a licensing agreement with
>the company that owns the recordings to produce a certain number (maybe,
>500,000) of the gold discs and no more! Once they're gone, they're gone.
>That's all.

I'm not so sure about that. Maybe with the major labels.
I recently purchased a Death in June disc that was of the "gold" type as an
import in the $18-20 range. I expected to pay that much anyway for the disc,
so it wasn't too bad for a small independent label overseas. 
However, they put it in a digipak! It was all embossed and very nicely 
printed, but isn't that like selling an expensive work of art in a plastic
frame?

Tino
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From: steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: WANTED: Bloodwyn Pig on CD
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:49:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
To: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com
Cc: steiner

In article <1992Oct1.144429.1213@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller) writes:

> I'm interested in getting a copy of any Bloodwyn Pig CDs that
> may have been released.  For those who don't know, Bloodwyn Pig
> was a group formed by Mick Abrahams when he left Jethro Tull
> after their first album (Mick was Tull's original guitarist before
> Martin Barre).

Well, I don't have any to sell but the following imports should be
available from those stores that sell such things:

_Ahead Rings Out_ (first album; 1969)
   BGO Records (UK) BGOCD54 
   BGO Records (UK) BGOCD54(P) (picture disk of the same)

_Getting To This_ (second album; 1970)
   BGO Records (UK) BGOCD81

_At Last_ (Mick Abrahams Band; 1972)
   Edsel Records (UK) ED CD335

_All Said and Done_ (Mick Abrahams; 1991)  [Get this!!! It's great! -ds]
   Elite (UK) ELITE007CD

Still not out on CD are _A Musical Evening With the Mick Abrahams
Band_ (1971), _Have Fun Learning Guitar With Mick Abrahams_ (197?),
and The Mighty Flyers' _Low Flying Angels_ (1974) [don't know much
about this one except that Mick played guitar on it].

Good luck!

ds
-- 

Dave Steiner
arpa: Steiner@BakerSt.Rutgers.Edu or Steiner@Rutgers.Edu
uucp: ...{backbone site}!rutgers!bakerst.rutgers.edu!steiner
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Ingrid Chavez
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:39:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc2

I've heard that Ingrid Chavez (David Sylvian's wife) is releasing a CD. Does
anyone know what her music is like?

Thanks in anticipation,

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: One way to keep CD cases in good condition
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Summary: BUY NEW ONES
Keywords: CD longevity plastic sandwich bag preservation
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:00:09 GMT

In article <Bw1Mno.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) writes:
>I thought the sandwich baggie idea is great for Ecopak CDs like Bonnie
>Raiit's "Luck Of the Draw" and the Grateful Dead's "From the Vault" series.
>I'm running over to Jewel.  Thanks for the idea.

Whenever I use my lunch break at work to visit the mall across
the street, I usually peruse the back wall of the music shoppe
there; they have USED CD's for sale at a substantially reduced 
price; many of them tho have rather scuffed boxes.

So, when I decide to purchase one of these used CD's, I stop 
at the front of the store and pick up one of the NEW, EMPTY,
CD boxes, put the disk and the covers in the new one, and throw
the old one in the trash can in the mall.  Only a buck extra,
and if I do it as soon as I acquire a new disk, doesn't hurt
as much.
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