HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cla04@keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:43:29 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

I wonder what people have to say about Greek claims of EEC unity on the
Greek stance on Macedonia in light of the following remarks by Uffe
Ellemann-Jensen:

'I am extremely irritated by this Greek stance because it is tantamount
to questioning our solidarity as well.  It is ridiculous to believe this
small, landlocked country [i.e.  Macedonia ATF] is kind of threat.  We
have felt some kind of hostage, a hostage of the veto right....  I am
really afraid of how history will judge my contribution and others
because we have tried to brake recognition of a small independant
country which has lived up to all the requirements of international law'

The Guardian report by John Palmer goes on to note ' The other EC
governments privately share the Danish minister's exasperation with what
they see as a dangerous campaign by Greek politicians to whip up a
xenophobic popular campaign against Macedonian recognition.'


Andy
From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: Re: Greek Philosophy is a Joke
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:06:31 GMT


agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:
: Why are the Greeks given credit for the development of Philosophy as a 
: science. They had no contribution science of Philosophy, because the tenets
: of Philosophy were laid down thousands of years before the Greeks were even
: cognizant of themselves. The formalization of Philosophical thought and
: ideology was developed by the Ancient Egyptians from whom the Greeks merely
: plagarized. These early African people educated the Greeks, who were at that
: time known as the Pyrhennians, and gave them there culture. I just don't
: appreciate the way the history books have been rigged to perpetuate this 
: myth of Greek Philosophy.

	Well you use a Greek word to characterise the science, a Greek
word to name these pre-Greek philosophers and so on. The little you know about
philosophy also is showing. We would also like some articles from people in the
know and some ancient works were you draw your conclusion. 
Just for the sake of argument.
	Greeks seem to be the father of
		History	(Herodotes)
		Biology, (Archimedes)
		Physics,
		Engineering, (Archimedes)
		Medicine,(Hipocrates)
		Mathematics, (Pythagoras)
		Poetry (Homer, male Sapfo female),
		Geometry (Euclid),
		Athletisism (Olympics)
		Philosophy (Numerous)
		Astronomy (Don't confuse Astrology)
and many others I can't recall.

	Greek Philosophers were (and are) quoted and used by the western
civilisation even upto today. Many arguments are still used. Beeing the 
father of a science does not necisaryly mean that they were the first eg.
the work of Pythagoras was also used before. But it is from him that our
civilisation got the theorem so he is the father. Things like the algorythm
to find numbers like 3,5,7,11 (ie divisable by themselves and one, can't 
remeber the term) are still used today in the computer algorithms,
possibly the first algorithm ever (My guess, that fact)



: 
: Arthur
: 

		Regards
			George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Subject: Re: Linovambakoi (Re: Turkish Cypriots reject ENOSIS)
Keywords: Ali Pasas, The King, Makarios, Chrysostomos, Vasiliu, Enosis, Palikaria, Akritas
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:11:13 GMT

terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:

>In article <C19xKI.Gxs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>>terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:
>>
>>>2) When Ottomans conquered Cyprus, they enslaved women and put them in
>>>   their harems. Hey Panos, check it out man, you could be a descendent of
>>>   one of those. This "enslaving women" was done in mainland Greece as well.
>>>   So if there is anyone out there who claims that he/she is pure Greek,
>>>   he/she had better trace his/her family line back to fifteenth century.
>>
>> According to the above statement, some Turks should be checking if they
>> are descentants of Greeks, not the other way you are suggesting.

>Also, according to above, MANY Greeks should be checking if they are     
>descendants of Turks!!! It goes both ways Mr.Tamamidis. Think it over, 
>ive it another try, you will find out that it indeed goes both ways!!

If you are to be precise, it doesn't go both ways. The kids were the
father's kids, not the opposite. You wouldn't expect an enslaved woman
to convert her kids or her husband when such conversion was punished
by death. 

					 Bye,
					Yannis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Subject: Re: Linovambakoi (Re: Turkish Cypriots reject ENOSIS)
Keywords: Ali Pasas, The King, Makarios, Chrysostomos, Vasiliu, Enosis, Palikaria, Akritas
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:41:19 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:

>In article <1993Jan19.050207.24689@wuecl.wustl.edu> tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David) writes:
>>Okan, this is the third time I'm asking you about "Linovambakoi". (or
>>linopambatzi). 
>>  	The first time you replied with an unrelated fictionous
>>novel called "AKRITAS PLAN" (your insisting on not giving where YOU (Okan)
>>got it from gives me the right to call it fictionous).
>>	The second time you replied with another article concerning a
>>completely unrelated topic of the Cyprus problem.
>>	What should I expect this time. A review of the last episode from
>>"StartTreck"?
>>	Isn't there any other Turkish Cypriots who might know anything
>>about "Linopambatzoi"? (Besime....where are you?)

>What do you want, Theodore ???

>I have NOT heard of "linopambatzoi".

>There might be Turkish or Greek Cypriot people with mixed heritage. i.e. 
>with close or distant relatives belonging to the alternate community but
>I don't think that makes a difference because those people are either mostly
>Turkish Cypriot or mostly Greek Cypriot or they feel mostly Turkish Cypriot
>or Greek Cypriot. 

>As to most of the Turkish Cypriots being decended from these 
>"linopambatzoi", I think is BOGUS. Even if you telI me I have some Greek
>Cypriot blood some place, I simply don't care.(For one thing at least on my
>mother's side my uncle has traced our ancestors back to a family in Antalya,
>Turkey so I am OK there, on my dad's side it's a bit more complex.)  

So what? Have you traced your ancenstry back to the tenth century that the 
"proper" Turks started they slow invasion in Asia Minor. What your are saying 
is simply that your mother's family came to Cyprus from Antalya. Not a clue
on what the family's "blood" might be. 

							 Bye,
							Yannis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras; TA PhD)
Subject: Re: Rob West + Steve Anderson
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:13:51 GMT

In <1k2qqhINNbmc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) writes:
[..]
>But this is all *really* silly.  Does anyone actually think Macedonia could
>be a threat to Greece?  Do you people realize that if Macedonia *did* attack
>Greece that this would trigger the NATO Alliance, and that, in effect,
>Macedonia would be attacking not just Greece, which is merely 10 ten
>times their size, but also Germany, the UK, Spain, Italy, Norway, the
>United States, etc.?  Can you say "suicide"?  I knew you could....
[..]

Only this. Don't go too far. Just remember what happened during
the Gulf war: Germans were afraid that Turkey would grab the
opportunity and attack (or provoke an attack by) Iraq, to get
the rest of Kurdistan (and the oil fields of Mossul). They
therefore were claiming that such a claim by Turkey should be
interpreted accordingly and no military assistance (especially
troops) be given to Turkey. This infurated the Turks.

NATO, etc is nice, provided that the will is there. Skopje by
itself (currently) is not a major threat, but together with
Turkey, it surely is.

Panayotis
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras; TA PhD)
Subject: Re: More on Macedonia (was Re: Greece reacts sharply to
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:26:02 GMT

In <8750@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
[..]
>They will not.  In their opinion they do not.  It is just that everything
>addressed to Macedonia is returned to the sender because the address is
>wrong.  (And apparently there is in the Greek mind no correct address to
>send to.)
>--
>dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
>home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl

If something is addressed to "FYRM" it is allowed to continue
by the Greek authorities. Accepting the address above, would
simply mean that Greece officially accepts the name "Macedonia"
for Skopje, so where is the contradiction?

Panayotis
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
From: ncl@philabs.philips.com (Nai-Chi Lee)
Subject: Re: Net etiquette (was Re: Joke about intolerance...)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:14:58 GMT

*SIGH*
Sometimes, in the hope of doing some good deed (like a boy scout should),
one can create a bigger mess then before. 

If people care to look back at the series of postings Rikiya Asano made
5 days ago, his follow-up on my posting was the only one he did NOT use
any foul language.  Why? because he understood that I was using this
dumb American joke as an example to expose the "white superiority"
attitude that is still common here in the U.S.

What I found objectable was the explicit langauge Rikiya Asano has 
directed toword the other posters.  I merely brought this issue to
the attention of CMU, without suggesting any form of sensorship should
be forced onto this person.  In a number of previous instances I saw
in other news groups, when people abused the network, this is regarded
as an effective and civilized way to solve the problem (and no, I don't
thinks these other "boy scouts" were all Singaporean).

The system adminstrator at CMU reacted in an responsible manner, and
this explosive situation seems to have ended --- or at least I hoped...

First, Mr. Osbert started blasting his "Everyready Ray Gun" at Singaporean
again.  Knowing his track record, I am not really surprised.

What disturbed me more was this Mr. Dwight Joe, who not only condemned
Singapore, but the whole Chineses culture, base only on his highly biased
interpretion of what I have done.  Wow! 1.5 billion people condemned
in one stroke just because of me, talk about extreme prejudice!

As if this is not far enough, he even claimed that the U.S. should let
Japanese wordlords keep China after the World War II. 

I guest we all should be thankfull that Mr. Dwight Joe was not the 
President of the United States back in 1945, otherwise he could have 
dropped the atomic bombs in China, just because an lowly Singaporean
displeased this mighty white American.

Anyway, I am so sorry that I have altered the course of the human
race by being a boy scout.
--
Nai-Chi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: epwong@nyx.cs.du.edu (Elliott Wong)
Subject: Rising Sun - U.C. Irvine
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 03:25:25 GMT

	Okay, I succumbed and actually read (and liked?!) "Rising
Sun." Sorry, but I'm a sucker for detective novels written in the
first person...

	Anyway, one of Crichton's assertions is that there are labs at
the University of California Irvine that American students cannot
enter because the research is funded by Japanese. Is there any truth
to this?

	Thanks.

Elliott
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:37:11 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan27.010750.930@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In article odordog@leland.$tanford.EDU (Dwight Joe):
 >(1) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.
 >(2) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.
 >(3) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.
 >(4) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.
 >(5) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.
 >Well, I hope that repeating the statement 5 times is sufficient for
 >even the mind of a Chinese-cu-like person, like Mr. Park.

I guess it takes someone of [unknown]-cu like Mr Joe here 5 times
in order to get a point across.  As an added bonus, I'll add some
thing that might prove that not only is this [unknown]-cu full of
slow-minded people (why else would he repeat himself) but also
full or liars.

Could it be that Mr. Joe has been on the net for a long time?
and could he have previously corresponded with said Ms.Tzeng?
and could he have, during these correspondences on the net,
found out that indeed Ms.Tzeng is Chinese, esp since she pretty
much said that she's Chinese in previous articles?
Or could it just be that Dwight _is_ right?  He does have no clue.
"You be the judge."(tm)
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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Fuck Michael Crichton
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:07:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24683
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <IfLfllW00iUyQ1S5MR@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>Honky is not a word.

Sure fooled me.  It's as much a word as "hunky".

It means something entirely different.

Your derivation is nonsensical. 

Are you here only to start flames, or what, Asano?
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:11922 ucb.general:248
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ucb.general
Subject: Re: Racialized Relations at Cal...
Date: 23 Jan 1993 09:34:01 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan23.053002.21551@netcom.com> timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
 >How long before _all_ people can interact freely with both their own
 >and _all_ other groups without negative social pressures (i.e. the
 >pressures to assimilate or separate)?
 >Timothy J. Lee                                        timlee@netcom.com

Perhaps when we encounter another species that are intellectually our
equal (or better), a species so alien to us that we finally realize
how similar homo sapiens really are.
Until then, I really find it hard to believe that _all_ people would
be able to interact freely with each other without any negative
social pressure... we're human, and we'll always find faults (either
in ourselves, in others, or both)  Sad, but true.
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From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Experiencing racism...
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:56:30 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: usa,soc
Organization: Cornell University

timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes: 
> 
> Most racial prejudice and discrimination these days is covert,
> which is much harder to detect in individual cases [much deleted]

This racism thing (excuse the George Bushism ;-) has a lot
of currency these days, especially on college campuses.

If we take an analytic approach to the current discourse, the
subject becomes murky very fast.  This might be a shortcoming
of the analytic approach, but more likely has to do with the
political contexts of the discourse.  Here's some quick impressions.
Maybe others will be able to correct what I say, or add to it
for further discussion.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: daniel@fuchsia.uchicago.edu (Daniel Fu)
Subject: Re: Net etiquette (was Re: Joke about intolerance...)
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:04:37 GMT

In <1993Jan28.203144.4956@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

...
>Everyone is agreed that cultures should be judged by the people who
>are in them.  I never said that we should judge culture solely on the
>the basis of 1 person.  _However_, we _should_ judge culture on the 
>basis of _people_ who claim to be part of that culture.  For example,
>if we see that 1 Chinese-cu person commits cannabalism, then we should
>adjust our opinion of Chinese-cu culture appropriately; by "appropriately",
>I mean that we should take into account the fact that we encountered only _1_
>person who has done this.

right, so then we weight this data point, but adjust its reliability
to 1/1,000,000,000 or 1/100,000,000,000% (one one-hundreth-billion
thank you)


>If we know that, say, 2000 Chinese-cu committed cannabalism, then we
>should give _more_ (actually 2000 times more) weight to this fact since
>2000 acted the atrocity.  By the way, there is evidence to indicate that
>thousands of Chinese-cu committed cannabalism in the period of 1966-1976.
...

right, so then its reliability is 2,000/1,000,000,000 or 1/50,000,000%

now we just have to meet the other 999,999,999 people to get some
*really* good estimates.  then we're set!
____________________________________
Daniel Fu
              daniel@cs.uchicago.edu
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:21:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe):
	> Huh?  I never completed the spelling, so I don't see how Mr. Park could
	> extrapolate "Chi...." to anything.

This is so pathetic! Do you really expect people to take you seriously when
**_everyone_** who's been reading this newsgroup for the past year or less
(it doesn't take long) **_knows_** you mean **Chinese**??!!

HA HA HAAAAHA HAAA HAAA this is so laughable ... excuse me while I catch my
breath ...

	> It is a simple matter for Ms. Tseng to dispel any misconceptions (but
	> in this case, they probably happen to be correct) by providing some
	> statistics about the membership in that organization.  But I bet that 
	> she won't even though it would be a simple matter.

She doesn't have to prove anything to you. She may not care about your
misconceptions as they are too insignificant to impact other people's perceptions
about her group.

	> Furthermore (as a tidbit), the distribution pattern of the names of
	> Oriental-American men who bitch and whine about Caucasians-ge who
	> date Oriental-ge women is extremely skewed.
	> ...
	> The names that predominate like rains that flooded the earth for 40 days
	> and 40 nights are those of the following kind:  "Ching", "Chu", "Lam",
	> "Chi", "Chang", "Wong", "Kwok", Quack[1], etc.
	> ...
	> [1] Sorry!  My mistake!  "Quack" is not a name that I've heard but it
	> _sounds_ similar to the rest of the stuff, so...  Anyhow, sorry!

Oh so now you're making up names??? Figures.

	> I wonder what the explanation might be.  I haven't a clue.[2]

That was immediately obvious from the start.

	Have a nice day!

	  Melinda
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:25:30 EST
From: <SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps? You be the judge!
Distribution: usa
 <1993Jan21.015110.8181@colorado.edu> <1993Jan21.210946.6542@nynexst.com>
 <21731@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>

Well, first of all, MLK's birthday isn't *really* a national holiday, since
the post office works and schools are open (at least Penn State was), and
some schools are so stupid as to only let African-Americans off from school
(now what the hell kind of racist idea is that?, but that's another story).
Okay, some have said that it seems strange that no white person has his/her
own national holiday (as far as that goes, doesn't it seem more strange that
no *woman* has her own national (and as far as I know, state) holiday?).
Anyway, who would you nominate for that honor?  I mean, no one did anything
that compares to MLK's valiant crusade for racial harmony, as far as I can
think of....Washington?  Wow, 1st pres of the US, but what did he *DO*?
Lincoln?  Well, he set the slaves free (at least on paper), but basically
for political reasons.  And that's only one act...should we give him his own
national holiday (actually, pres day is one, I think...not sure) just for
that?  So that's my point...reason no white person has his/her own national
holiday is cos there isn't one that deserves it...at least as much as MLK,
and at least as much as I can think of.

Steve Wei
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:19:29 GMT
Organization: UB


HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore