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From: francesco@bull.it (Francesco Iarlori)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: MIT E-mail address needed !! ..
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:17:53 GMT
Reply-To: francesco@minerva1.bull.it (Francesco Iarlori)
Organization: BULL ITALIA

Someone knows the E-mail address for MIT and other US Universities that 
need graduates italian data communication specialist for their courses ?

Thank a lot for the information. 

Ciao
francesco

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:53:50 EDT
From: <RHG@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: Science writing notes

To those of you who may be using my book "Best Science Writing;
Readings and Insights" (Oryx Press, Phoenix, AZ) for your fall
science-writing or technical-writing courses, you may want to
contact me.  I can e-mail you my class notes for about half the
selections.  The notes can give you things to say in class that are
skipped in the text.
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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Carpal Tunnel Typists (29)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:49:54 GMT


Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:54:40 EDT
From:         IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug18.065440.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      Carpal Tunnel Typists (29)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  Robert Royar
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

One of my colleagues suffers from Carpal tunnel.  She says that her
therapist/physician told her touch typists are more susceptible than are hunt
and peckers on computer keyboards.  The problem seems to be the way one holds
ones hands (as if holding a ball in the palm) coupled with the increased speed
computer keyboards allow over typewriters.  I've hunted and pecked since I was
seven (when my mother gave me a typewriter) but I never took typing because I
was too lazy.

 --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Signing your messages (21)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:11:55 GMT


Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:36:42 EDT
From:         IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug19.063642.2.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      Signing your messages (21)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  Robert Royar
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 (21:09:00 EST) Donna Henriksen  00d0henrikse@bsu.edu
asks
>I assume some of you have macros you use [for signatures]. . . how do you
>    do that?

Most mailers allow you to include text files (some with line limits) as a
signature.  They also allow you to set your personal name.  Additionally there
is a command to use when you sign up for a ListServ group that sets your name
for each message you send the group.

Setting Local Mail Personal Names Example:

Most mail programs will read certain settings from the environment for your
session.  So for example
  $ set process /name="Robert Royar"
Sets my name on our Vax and because it is in my LOGIN.COM file, my name gets
set each time I log in.  In the Vax mail program, I change my mailing name with
  set personal_name "Composition Digest (Robert Royar, Moderator)"
The mailer then appends this name to each "From:" line in my mail header.

Setting Signature Files

I don't use them, but I believe the VMS command in mail is
  set signature VMSFILENAME
Other operating systems should provide similar commands.  Check the Help
command inside your mailer program (once you get into mail), looking for words
such as "set", "variables", "environment", etc.

ListServ Personal Names

Gee, I don't know about this, Fred set me up when the whole MBU thing began and
set my Personal Name at that time.  It's probably something like

MAIL> send
To: listserv@ttuvm1.bitnet
Subject:

set mbu-l name Donna Henriksen  00d0henrikse@bsu.edu

Subject should be blank, and the message body should contain the command to the
texas listserv.

   WARNING I DON'T KNOW LISTSERV COMMANDS, CHECK WITH FORREST
   OR SOME OTHER GURU AT BALL STATE FOR INFORMATION ON THE
   EXACT COMMAND

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Writing entirely by writing (15) (4)
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:06:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulkyvx.1992Aug19.070656.1
Organization: University of Louisville


Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:37:39.77 MST
From: Doyle Burke <BURKE@MC.BITNET>
Message-id: <01GNQ2PRBJ44FULVM3@ulkyvx.bitnet>
Subject: RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Writing entirely by writing (15) (4)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

I know of two schools who do modem-based composition courses.  Rio Salado
Community College in Phoenix is one.  Dr. Julie Bertch developed the program
and now has seven students in Moscow taking the course.

The second school is one of the Houston Community Colleges.  I attended a
CCCC session in Boston in which they presented their program.  I'm sorry, but
I don't recall the names of presenters.

Three of us at Mesa Community College are planning to offer a modem-based
composition course, hopefully by fall, 1993.  We would appreciate any
information you have and would like advice from your experience.

Doyle Burke
Mesa Community College
Mesa, AZ
Burke@MC

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) NCTE how many members and how much capital (19)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:48:40 GMT


Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:58:40 EDT
From:         IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug18.065840.2.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      NCTE how many members and how much capital (19)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  Robert Royar
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

Three cents per page, per copy, per student is reasonable, but to me that's
not the issue--the issue is the organization's justifying the charge by
arguing that it hasn't the money to keep up expenses.

When NYIT was contemplating bidding on the NCTENet(*) (which we decided against),
we were told NCTE paid membership was near 100,000.  At an average of $40.00
per member that's $4,000,000.00 annually.  And this does not count the
"kickbacks" from credit card companies, insurance programs, the promo sales,
the extra journals, books, etc.  Each affiliate makes some money from its
membership, and that money goes to print its own materials and provide for
todos at conventions etc.  Authors do not get paid for the articles that are
"selected" not even royalties on reproduction.  Where does the dues money go?

(*) The rumor is Myles Myers believes we don't need an NCTENet--that we should
use FAX machines.  (Mayhap we should use HIS FAX machine--again and again and
again....)  Honestly, are there enough of us on here to begin a write-in
campaign to get this service?  Bill Wright (of BreadNet) was talking about
needing only 100 members to begin. I'd be willing to pay a reasonable
per-month charge for access to a network connected to internet where we could
all get together. I'd rather have this than a subscription to CE or CCC.  And
the public school Language Arts teachers across the country would finally be
able to get onto Internet and talk to us.  They really are doing some
whiz-bang stuff out there--I see just a bit on BreadNet.  The hoped-for cost
was $10.00 per month.  (NOTE: The total could be higher depending on the type
of phone access provided for those without university Internet accounts.
NYIT's 800 access costs the school $11.00 per hour just for the phone
connection over an 800 line.  It costs substantially more when the line
carries information.  We couldn't provide what the NCTE specification required
within the desired price range.)

Write Michael Spooner <NCTE@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU> and Myles Myers to tell them the
NET is not the same as a FAX.

 --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Re: Favorite and most despised fonts (20)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:02:42 GMT


Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:36:58 EDT
From:         IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug21.063658.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      Re: Favorite and most despised fonts (20)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  Robert Royar
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

I got so sick of the san-serif font on my computer five years ago that I drew
my own.  That's a real chore.  Funny thing about the screen font is that most
people find it hard to read, but I find it easy--easier than the "standard" MAC
and the PC fonts usually offered.

In the 1920 new San Serif fonts were created (Univers, Helios, Helvetica)
because they were thought to be simpler than serif fonts and, therefore,
easier to read.  But when I took a course in reading in grad school I can
remember that researchers discovered people overwhelmingly read serif fonts
faster and more accurately (in blocks of text) than they did san serif.

Van Nostrand publishes the International Type Book which I use in my DTP class.
You might also take a look at the trade publication U&lc (Upper and lower
case), which has some interesting material about fonts and type.

My favorite typeface is an old one, Bembo named after Cardinal Bembo because it
was used to set his _De Aetna_ in 1495 (designed by Francesco Griffo for Aldus
Manutius).  Garamond is based on this typeface.  It's got real character.  I've
never seen it on a computer though.

Another good choice for computer-based printing (screen or laser/dot) is
Lucida. It comes in all flavors (script, serif, sans, light to heavy
(demi-bold)).  It's good because it's been designed from the ground up to avoid
the "jaggies" when printed on low-resolution screens (768x1024 is low) or on
low-res printer (600 spots per inch or less).

 -- Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology
    "The average voter doesn't view himself as articulate, so I
    think they can understand the President."
                                                  -- Bob Teeter
                                                     Bush Campaign Manager

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: Computers and Composition Digest 6.233 (18)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:47:17 GMT


Date: 17 Aug 1992 14:48:12 -0600 (MDT)
From: FATCG@USU.BITNET
Message-id: <01GNOX1X3RCI8YA2CF@CC.USU.EDU>
Subject: RE: Computers and Composition Digest 6.233 (18)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

John O'Connor--
I asked Michael Spooner at NCTE about these duplicating costs, and he
noted they did need to cover office expenses (FAX, phone, postage,
duplicating).  He welcomes queries though; his email address is
NCTE@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU
He did say NCTE tries to keep costs below university presses; Rutgers is
5cents per page and NCTE 3 cents.
joyce kinkead

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Writing entirely by writing (15)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:45:59 GMT


Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:30:32 EDT
From:         IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug18.073032.3.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      Writing entirely by writing (15)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  Robert Royar
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:59:33 GMT Louie Crew <lcrew@ANDROMEDA.RUTGERS.EDU>
asked

>Has anyone here taught a writing course totally by written communication (or
>almost all by written communication)?

I've had some success with small distance-learning (100% computer based)
writing courses.  Those have been Business writing offered by NYIT's American
Open University (name recently changed to The On-line Campus of NYIT).  There
are problems (I'm trying to get an article together about this), but there are
also successes and rewards (Dan Quigley is working on an article about those).
Once I get mine out and about (and rejected), I'd be glad to send it to
interested Net parties.

 --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: Computers and Composition Digest 6.239 (1)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:46:43 GMT


Date: 21 Aug 1992 09:46:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: FATCG@USU.BITNET
Message-id: <01GNU7PBLXC28YAV5S@CC.USU.EDU>
Subject: RE: Computers and Composition Digest 6.239 (1)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

Favorite fonts for Bob:
Thumbs up on Univers 12
Down on Courier
Advice to students:  turn off right justification.

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Computers under glass (11)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:47:16 GMT


Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 09:29:26 EDT
From:         IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug22.092926.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      Computers under glass (11)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  Robert Royar
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

We (NYIT) had the computer under the desk set up for five years (up until this
summer).

   - The ambient light reflections turned out to be more annoying
     than we anticipated.  Most users complained often about those
     problems.
   - If the computers were locked in to the desks (necessary in the
     NYC area I'm told), getting them out for maintenance was a
     major chore--and "back breaking".
   - One of my student's had a monitor fall n his foot when the
     desk support failed.
   - Having the connectors so near feet and walk paths meant many
     got kicked loose.
   - The switches for the entire desk were under the desktop on the
     right. Long legged guys more than a few times accidently hit
     the switch with a knee--losing all the unsaved work.
   - IBM told us they would rather not renew our service contract
     if we continued using the computers under the desk as the dust
     and heat conditions exceded the levels set by their acceptable
     environmental conditions.
   - Floppies began failing (because of dust and heat) about a year
     into the installation.  We were losing three-four per class
     per two week periods two years ago.

For these reasons, I couldn't recommend under-desk setups unless you can assure
good underdesk ventilation with very low dust levels.

 -- Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology
    "The average voter doesn't view himself as articulate, so I
    think they can understand the President."
                                                  -- Bob Teeter
                                                     Bush Campaign Manager

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) What we're allowed to know (5)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:49:22 GMT


Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:16:14 EDT
From:         IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:   <1992Aug17.061614.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      What we're allowed to know (5)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  Robert Royar
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

On Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:01:53 CDT Eric Crump <C509379@MIZZOU1.BITNET> said
>I could have spent
>the time and money studying more history, philosophy,
>anthropology and physics, which I'm also interested in,
>but that, presumably, wouldn't have been as good for me,
>and would have created all sorts of bureaucratic burping
>and heartburn.

How about the rest of you.  What areas other than "dead white-male poets"
would you like to have studied?  What stood in your way, or were you able to
pursue those esoteric fields?  What did you learn from other departments that
was fantastic and changed your life?  Did your school (grad/undergrad)
encourage a broad education, or did you have to get a BS in "snorting
shakespeare"?

I bounced around a bit before settling down in English, got some organic
chemistry, some calculus, a lot of history, philosophy, and psychology. Most
of what I could take was possible because the system was loosely
defined/designed. I did real well on the general part of the GED and real
badly on the English Lit portion.  So the bouncing around (the fact I never
had to read much of the Canon) certainly didn't help me there.  But I was able
to figure out "how many golf balls were in the executive's golfbag if she
played golf alternating Tuesdays for three years except for the months with an
'r' in them and pocketed one golf ball more than the last time each time she
played."

 --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) writing immersion (3)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:05:44 GMT


Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 11:03:34 ADT
From: HUNT000 <HUNT@UNB.CA>
Message-id: <ID3136.D920818.T110335.HUNT@UNB.CA>
Subject: writing immersion (3)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

Robert Royar --
     I'd be interested in knowing more about your computer-based
distance ed courses; if you have a draft of the article I'd be
happy to see it & engage in dialogue.  I'm trying to find ways to
use writing for the whole conduct of classes here, on the grounds
that if you learn to use writing to get immediate, practical stuff
done, and to argue about complex ideas, the more formal, extended,
or permanent kinds of writing will follow.  I don't know of many
examples of this sort of thing, and I need as many as I can get to
convince some of my colleagues I'm not just an isolated loony.
                                    -- Russ
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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) NCTENet (17)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:09:24 GMT


Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:41:15 -0400
From: Nancy Allen <eng_allen@EMUNIX.EMICH.EDU>
Message-id: <9208182041.AA08099@emunix.emich.edu>
Subject: NCTENet (17)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

Robert, Could you tell us more about the NCTENet?  What does it provide?  Is
it an alternative to Internet?  What do you mean when you say we could all get
together that is different from what MBU offers?  I could easily imagine
paying a fee for some electronic journal service but still having to suscribe
to CE and CCC because they wouldn't be equivalent or carry the same things.
Sorry to be so dumb about this, but this is the first I've heard.  Nancy Allen
eng_allen@emunix.emich.edu

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From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Advice wanted about National University
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:23:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Anyone know much about National University?

What do you think?
-- 
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: TFTP Broadcasts
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:55:38 GMT

Fred> == Fred Fierling <fff@microplex.com> 

 Fred> How pervasive is [all 1s] broadcasting?  Anyone care to hazard a
 Fred> guess as to what percentage of systems support it?  Are there any
 Fred> big time vendors that do NOT support it?

SunOS defaults to using net.0 as the broadcast address (although I
believe SunOS 5, aka Solaris 2.0, does finally get this right).

It allows you to change it, but it's annoying.
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
            ``Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ti Kwan Leep.
            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
From: kwe@noc.near.net (Kent England)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: What are the Pros/Cons of Multi-protocol routing?
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:51:39 GMT
Organization: BBN
Distribution: usa
Summary: There really are Pros and Cons

In article <86673@netnews.upenn.edu> Anthony Olejnik writes:
>
>Currently we have a pure IP only backbone.
>
>What are some of the advantages/disadvantages of keeping the
>backbone pure (with only IP)?
>
>What are the advantages/disadvantages of tunnelling the other
>protocols (AppleTalk/IPX/DecNet) within IP?
>
>Any comments would be *GREATLY* appreciated.

TCP/IP has more sophisticated routing protocols than many of the other
internet protocols you can run, and it and OSI are the only protocols
suitable for a public internet.

The disadvantage of a single protocol backbone is tunneling everything
else when routing is easier.

But tunneling is sometimes necessary such as for getting AppleTalk across
the Internet, for source routed bridging across a complex WAN, or for
tunneling SDLC.

Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting additional protocols
whether tunneled or routed.  Make sure you have enough features and
filters to control them.  But if they are important enough to your
situation, then by all means support them.

--Kent

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