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From:         "Gerri Oppedisano (8-863-7225)" <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      about suicide

Hi Euiyeob.. I agree with the others on the psycgrad list who recommend that
you seek professional help immediately. But I would like to respond to your
logic which says that if you're going to die anyway, what's the point of
living? For me, what I do and what I learn each day is valuable to me, even
if my life were to end tomorrow, I feel I've enjoyed and experienced during
the time which I was here.. I also feel comfort in knowing that I effect
other people's lives, the people around me and who are close to me, and if
I physically disappear, I still feel that the essence of me lives on through
the lives of other people who I've effected and who may still be talking about
me or who are still learning from an action or a statement I'd said to them in
the past. This I feel is useful in the global sense, as well as in the personal
sense. It helps to have faith in a religion/dogma which includes life after
death of one form or other.. but even if you don't have such beliefs you can
still consider your life useful when you look at it in smaller portions - day
by day and what is done in each day. When you go to a movie, for example, and
you've enjoyed it or learned something from it or it invoked an emotion in
you, this is a full experience, even though the movie ends at some point, and
the experience lasts on after the movie ends sometimes (if it was particularly
memorable or insightful for you). So you can say the movie was worth experienc-
ing even though it ended at some point.

Just wanted to share my thoughts. I hope you get this straightened out and
realize your personal value and that your life is worth living. I'm sure that
what you do each day is useful to you and to others, I'm sure that you effect
other people's lives and I'm sure you have personal talents which are valuable
and worth finding and experiencing. Don't give up. Enjoy yourself and learn
while you're here. Try not to focus on the end.. Instead, focus on what's
happening now.

take care..
gerri
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From:         C_HAKALA@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      multiple regression

the clearest book i have seen on multiple regression is a multivariate
text written by tabachnic and fidel. it is very well written, provides
lots of examples and is relatively inexpensive. i hope this helps.

chris hakala
c_hakala@unhh.unh.edu
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From:         "(Remo Ostini)" <rxo868@CSCGPO.ANU.EDU.AU>
Subject:      MPD and Therapy

Matthew writes:


>in your psychotherapy.  Why would I be vague?  I'm not sure that I
>agree with the assertion the behavioral patterns are vague.  They may
>be conceptually more vague than personalities.  You see, if I want a
>person to change, I first define clearly what the person wants to do.
>Then the client and I outline what gets in the way of the person doing
>just that.  After discovering what the person does when she or he is
>not doing the thing that gets in the way, the client practices doing
>that thing.  During that practice, all of the client's attention is
>on that behavior.  I find that by paying attention to "personalities"
>only acts as a barrier.  And I do not to pay attention to a barrier
>like that, a barrier that is so static and sharply in focus.

This type of "focaus on the behaviour" type therapy always seemed to me to
be a treat the symptoms and not the cause type of therapy.  As such it
seems intuitively superficial, which would be fine if the problem were
largely a superficial one.  But is it possible that there are times when
the problem is not amenable to superficial treatment.  Let me try to
translate that into Matthew's terminology.  Isn't it possible that there
are times when the client wants more out of his/her session than an exercise
in behaviour modification?


Just wondering,

Remo (in a damp but still not cold Twin Cities)


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Subject: to neuropsycgradders
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:13:00 GMT
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First of all, WHO'S GOING TO ANAHEIM AT THE END OF THE MONTH??  If
any of you PSYCGRADders would be interested we could get together
for drinks 'n' vittles somewhere.  I know nothing about Anaheim
save for the California Angels and Disneyland, but I suppose we
could find somewhere to meet.

Jennifer, I know that YOU are going to Anaheim.  Dont feel too bad
about taking 3 years to finish your Masters.  I was in the exact
same boat.  Our line of work just naturally takes longer due to all
of the long and complex procedures involved.  I am looking at six
years to complete my PhD.  I do not think that is too far from the
norm.

Like you and Monika and probably several others, I have also had to
wear many hats ranging from a janitor to design engineer to
neuroscientist.  It is not easy and one thing that I have learned
is that most folks outside the disclipine dont understand, and so I
have given up trying to explain.  But then again, none of the disclipines
that comprise psychology are easy.

I cant believe the comments made by a cognitive faculty member that
Jennifer wrote of in her last letter.  As far as I am concerned, it
does no good to generate theories or hypotheses of cognitive
function that have nothing to do with brain function.  These
theories may have many important uses, but they will do little to
help us understand human cognitive function.  Jennifer, you might
want to remind this professor that the first indications of how
human memory is organised came from clinical observations of brain
damaged patients (e.g., H.M.).

To me, psychologists are like a group of people trying to figure
out how a car works.  Some will examine the various components,
moving them around to see what they do, and they may figure out how
to steer it and start it, and will learn what makes it start,
steer, and drive better.  Others will be interested mostly in
wathching the car under different situations to see what it can and
cannot do.  Still others will open up the car and examine what
happend when you throw a wrench into it, cut wires and lines, and
remove various components.  These people might work with another
group of individuals who study the way lawnmowers and gocarts work,
so that they can apply these principles to understanding how the
car works.  Completely understanding the operation of the car
requires all of these people working together, or at least being
aware of and respecting each others work.

Ray Lopez
University of Texas at Arlington
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Subject: Psychonomics and JDM in St. Louis
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:00:00 GMT
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Is anyone out there going to the JDM meeting after Psychonomics?  We have
8-9 people going to Psychonomics but not staying for JDM.  Two female
grad students would like to find one or two people who need a place for
just Sunday night.  We already have a room reservation at Adam's Mark and
the total to be split would be about $110 incl. tx.
If interested e-mail me directly.

Has anyone firmed up a plan for everyone going to "meet and greet"
someplace in St. Louis?  I am not familiar with the city but we have
several people who are interested in such an activity.  If someone has
a plan, e-mail me and I'll spread the word here.
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From:         THOMPSOK@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      CFS article

Hey Sandy,
Do you know or does that article state whether CFS is a contagious condition
and, if so, how it is transmitted?

Karen T.
Claremont Graduate School
Thompsok@cgsvax.claremont.edu
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Interesting question, Jennifer.  What is the relative importance of
neuroscience to cognitive psychology and vise versa?

From your profs point of view, if I were imagine taking such a point,
I can see that a cognitive theory that is driven purely by data obtained
from behavior of the person would be different in nature than a theory
attempts to address neurological data.  Do we know enough in neurology
to supply the building block of cognition?  One might think it would be
like trying to build an interstate highway cloverleaf out of sand.
How can neuroscience attempt to address the most simple "propositional
network?"  Can we locate a neurological "isa?"  Could it be that the
physical location of the information "doll isa toy" is spread too thin
across the neural network of the brain to presently locate (given the
state of the art)?

This of course leads to the old example of the radio and the location
of sound inside the radio.  If I reach inside a radio and snip a wire
and the sound changes from music to white noise, can we say that we
found the location of the music, ie. it was in that wire?  Can we say
that we found the link of the tuner to the amplifier?  Or is it the
link between the antennae and the tuner?  Is it the storage place,
or is it the link?  Remember that in the example we know nothing
about the radio.  It is a black box.

Given the above, I respect the pure cognitive-behavior sciences.
I think it is a useful enterprise to study how thinking behavior
effects the performance of the unit under study.  I appreciate the
people who are finding answers to the questions above and linking
neuroscience to thinking behavior.  I also respect the behavioral
neuroscientists and the pure (physiological/biological)
neuroscientists.  All these perspectives are useful if what we
want to do is combine sub-field information together to approach
the ultimate truth regarding thinking behavior.

Personally, I don't want to do that.  But I respect those who do.
I just don't believe that by combining information from various
fields we get any closer to the ultimate truth.  Ignore this, though.

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Subject:      RE: Mult Regr, etc. but on a computer?

The book we used in our stats course has examples of SPSS AND BMDP
and focuses on multivariate techniques:

Stevens, James (1986).  Multivariate statistics for the social sciences.

I think the publishers are Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.  It's more of
a technical book, rather than on the conceptual side of the analyses.

-Evangeline Danseco
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Subject: Multicultural Counseling
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I was wondering if anyone out there had any good references on the topic of cou
nseling and religious diversity.  Our seminar is going to discuss working with
clients from a range of religious backgrounds.
From: 11GREHKEMPER@GALLUA.BITNET (Gina Rehkemper)
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Subject: Re: HIV Knowledge and Attitudinal instrument (adolescents)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:05:13 GMT
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Regarding an instrument to tap attitudes about AIDS... I know one person
who developed an instrument although I don't think it is specifically
for adolescents.... or he atleast has done work in this area.  His
name is John Pryor at Illinois State University in Normal, IL.
I am not sure of any specifics but you could check this out and see what
you come up with.

Gina Rehkemper
Gallaudet University
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:27:00 PDT <GALLOGLY@CWU> said:
>
>No, the real question is, "Is there really a person behind the wheel?"  Or is
>the driver just a convenient construct that has been invented to help explain
>the functioning of the car?

>

If we are following the car analogy, there *is* a driver behind the wheel
of 99.999% of moving cars (cars in the process of behaving).  Moving
automobiles, without drivers behind the wheel, tend to crash.

Interesting, huh?
I think your point is valid as much as we are challenging the
degree of fit of the car analogy.  That is, you are right, Don.
Or, at least, I agree with you.

>We should strive for explanations of car behavior
>that do not rely on hypothetical "drivers" or motivational constructs such as
>"transportation" and "travel".

Why should we?  Or to more specifically state, we should strive for these
explanation in order to achieve or do what?  The degree of agreement
regarding something that should be done depends on the degree of agreement
of whether we should have the desired outcome that the "shouldistic"
behavior would achieve.  Should is only meaningful in relation to
the outcome.  We should do something to achieve another thing.  Do we
agree on what we wish to achieve?

Never mind me, really.  I'm spinning off on the nature of basic assumptions
again.  For me this is a crucial exercise in determining utility of any
question, answer, or enterprise.

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From: BA02073@BINGVMB.BITNET (brian)
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Subject: nomail
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:03:42 GMT
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Hi folks.


      Ok, when I left for the summer I set nomail.
again? Will someone send me a post telling me how?

                    -Brian at SUNY-B.
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Subject: Re: multiple regression analysis
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:31:00 GMT
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Katie-
Try the first few chapters of Pedhazur's Multiple Regression
in Behavioral Research.  It explains things clearly, it's
relevant to psych, and you can get the gist of it even if
you skip the awful formulas.  Good luck!
Jennifer at USC
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Regarding Jason Becker's work with the hippocampus:

Where in the hippocampus are the recording electrodes implanted?

I forgot how you were delivering the pharmacological agents.  Intracisternally?
Cannulae to a specific hippocampal site?  Systemically?

Curiously,
Eric Zorrilla
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Julie,

        Over here, all it takes to be a professor is
a Ph.D. and an institution willing to hire you at
that title. For most places I know, you DO have to
have the Ph.D., tho'.  For example, before I was
officially signed off and was essentially ABD (All
But Dissertation), I held a full-time teaching
position for one year at Cal State.  My title there
was "Lecturer."  That title implied both my
temporary status, AND my lack of the Ph.D.  When I
was hired here into a tenure-track position, I was
STILL not signed off (SIDEBAR MORAL TO STORY:  Never
take a "real" job until the dissertation is FILED!),
so I was given the title of "Instructor," which
again implied my lack of the Ph.D. Following the
granting of my degree (In September 1992, Ya-hoo and
thanks!!!), my title (and salary!) was immediately
changed to "Assistant Professor."  Over here, all it
seems to take is a Ph.D. to become a professor, but
the kind of professor takes time.  You start out as
an Assistant Professor, then move up (the good lord
willin' and the creek don't rise) to Associate
Professor.  And if you stay on and do well, you can
be promoted to Full Professor--the top of the line,
top of the pay scale, etc.  That may be the title
most equivelent to what your culture means when they
say "professor."

--Kathy Morgan
kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
From: kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU (Kenneth V. White)
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Subject: Re: Aids, Stress, Immune and the NL CHAMPION BRAVES !!!!
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Two references for anyone interested.

Schneiderman, N., Antoni, M., Ironson, G., LaPerriere, A., & Fletcher, M.
(1992).  Applied psychological science and HIV-1 spectrum disease.
_Applied and Preventative Psychology_, _2_, 67-82.

Excellent discussion of cognitive behavorial interventions, attribution,
and their effect on immune strength in infected people.

Zakowski, S., Hal& Baum, A. (1992).  Stress, stress management,
and the immune system.  _Applied and Preventative Psychology_, _1_, 1-14.

Excellent review!


Some of my best friends have been known to chop,

Kenn in College Park
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From:         G9226406@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject: Re: Us "Phsyiological" Folk

Margaret,
In response to your question about whether PMS does exist in humans you
might find some interesting information in the anthropological literature.
Off the top of my head I cannot think of specific references but, I do know
that much literature has suggested that PMS is a culture-bound syndrome.
That is that outside of western culture, no such syndrome exists.
Anthropologists suggest, after studying a number of western and non-western
cultures, that there does appear to be a number of physical symptoms that
are associated with menstruation and that these symptoms are found across
cultures (i.e. bloating, headache, etc.).  They suggest PMS itself to be
culture-bound because of the social acceptance of behaviours that in other
cultures would not be tolerated.  For example, in Britian there have been
two women who have been able to have murder sentances decreased after claiming
to have extreme cases of PMS.  What is suggested is that PMS does exist in
most western societies because there is no strong social reaction against
it, rather people expect women to undergo emotional reactions to a physical
change.  This is not to sound sexist, for it is not meant that way at all!
What is meant is that menstruation does exist and that premenstrual syndrome
is not a physical problem but in essence a cultural one.
Although this may not have been what you were looking for, you might find the
anthropological discussion on PMS interesting.
Tammy.
dir
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> Folks who come in with a
> Master's thesis don't have to do something called the
> "First Year Project" (which no one does in their first year
> and which is basically a Master's thesis).  And they may be
> waived a few courses, esp. stats, but other than that--as
> in Elizabeth's program, they have to take all the same
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> courses, etc. as those who come in with B.A.'s.
  ^^^^^^^
> --Kathy Morgan

Does anyone actually know WHY this is the case? Is it just for the
money that schools require those with a Masters already to retake
half of the courses they'd already taken?? It just sounds so totally
unreasonable. Why isn't a Master's in psychology respected??

gerri
From: kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU (Kenneth V. White)
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Brad,

Don't know if this is exactly what you were asking for, but I thought
I'd pass it on anyway.  At APA this summer, there was a wonderful
talk given on AIDS, cognition, and stress.  In particular, once
having been diagnosed HIV positive, the investigators were looking
at T-cell (CD4 & CD8) counts as a function of adjustment to the
grieving process immediately following diagnosis.

Anyway, you might do a (recent) search and/or contact directly, the
following investigators:

Michael Antoni, University of Miami Med ("Psychosocial stressors and
                       neuroendocrine and immunologic changes in HIV-
                       infected homosexual men")

Shedlon Coehn, Carnegie Mellon ("Chronic social stress, affiliation, and
                                 cellular immune response")

Margaret Kemeny UCLA Medical School, Psychiatry Dept. ("Immunologic correlates
                               of exposure to traumatic events")


sorry, the parentheticals indicate their respective talks at the symposium.
I believe all three teams are either using existing or newly-designed
psychometric instruments related to AIDS, and sexual practices, on of which
is called C.O.P.E., I believe by designed by a fellow named Carver.

Hope that helps.

-Kenn in College Park