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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 22:47:12 EDT
From: <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Cut-scene 2
 <92107.144117EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92107.144117EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>, BIG ED <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
says:
>   Speaking of "cut scenes", how about in the Empire Strikes Back storybook?
>I really don't know what page it is on, but it shows a picture of Two-One-Bee,
>the medical droid, attending to a Taun-Taun. In the movie, you can briefly see
>it as an officer tells Solo that Luke hasn't checked in the south entrance.
>Solo then asks if the speeders are ready, and hops on a Taun-Taun. See if you
>can find it. It seems that there should have been more emphasis placed on it,
>but then again, maybe it's just me. Was it cut, or not?
>
>                                     -Ed
I think that was just one of those movie stills that are taken on locations of
movies. Before and after a scene is done, pictures for pr are taken; most of
the ones was the star wars movies ended up on bubble gum cards. As far as I
know there aren't any cut EMpire scenes. There were something like 3 different
scripts written to protect the secrecy of what the story was about though. It
would be interesting if they actually shot some of those bogus scripts and the
footage was lying around somewhere.

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From: cos@lclark.edu (John Costello)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:43:17 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Apr16.070539.1502@wam.umd.edu> sharon@wam.umd.edu (sharon) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.215522.18730@acsu.buffalo.edu> v122jr52@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Thomas H Dunning) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr15.205718.18842@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, gat@forsight.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) writes...
>>>In article <1992Apr15.183517.3247@muddcs.claremont.edu> ksun@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kang Sun) writes:
>>>>
>>>>I think that is true.  Star Wars started with Episode IV rather than I.
>>> 
>>>I don't think this is quite true.  All of the videos and re-releases of
>>>Star Wars now open tantalizingly with the title "Episode IV: A New Age"
>>>or whatever it is.  But way back in 1977 when Star Wars first came out it
>>>was just Star Wars.  No episode number, no talk of a Grand Plan.
>>
>>We just had a 35mm copy of Star Wars here at SUNY Buffalo a few weeks back
>>and it clearly had a "Chapter IV" or some other such designation.
>>While this could be a re-release, I find that doubtful considering the
>>shape the film was in and the cost for 35mm prints.
>>
>>						td
>
> I don't believe that it had anything about episode IV in the original 
>title - please reference my other post about the film being edited. - Did 
>your copy have the ce port scene in it ?
>l

I agree with Sharon that there wasn't a reference in the first movie.  However,
I *think* that there was something about 'Episode V' for Empire Strikes Back
and am positive that Return of the Jedi opened with 'Episode VI.  Blah blah
blah'.

Cos
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From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Subject: Re: Keeping up with the Lars'
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:05:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.041847.23213@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes:
>Before this newsgroup began there was some debate on rec.arts.sf.movies as to
>how "Uncle" Owen and "Aunt" Beru were related to Luke...I don't know if this
>was suggested or not, but, it seems entirely likely that Beru could've been
>Annakin's sister...So, then she gets married to this Owen Lars loser and
>changes her surname (remember, this IS a long time ago!)...
>

It seems more likely to me that Luke isn't really related to them.  That's
why Obi-Wan hid Luke with them.  If hw had given Luke to a real aunt or
uncle, don't you think Darth Vader would have found him pretty easily?
It does eem strange that Obi-Wan never changed Luke's name from "Skywalker",
however. Oh Well.

					Mike Fan
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From: ss1@gloin.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: Falcon gif
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:48:46 GMT

>Hey out there, it's really cool that this newsgroup finally got together. 
>Anyway, does anyone out there have any cool gifs of the Falcon? If you do, 
>I'd really appreciate it if you send it to me... Thanks.

Gifs of the falcon, and other Star Wars gifs, can be found by ftp'ing
to garfield.catt.ncsu.edu....
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From: kihlstro@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Re: Antilles
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.040857.22871@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes:
>Am I imagining or are there huge inconsistancies in the books and movies with
>the name "Antilles".  I haven't read the books in awhile, and I haven't payed
>close attention to the movie in awhile, but I seem to recall an abundance of
>the name "Antilles":  C3P0 and R2D2 say something about "Our last master was
>Captain Antilles", isn't Leia's father's name Antilles, and isn't Wedge's last
>name Antilles?  
>
>Woah:  I just noticed something I never saw/heard before, looking up that
>reference where C3P0 says "our last master"...The holograph of Leia is playing
>and Luke says "she's beautiful" and 3P0 says "I believe she was a passenger on
>our last voyage (not quoting directly here, anymore), a person of some
>importance if I recall".  Then he begins to say "Our captain was attached
>to..."  Anybody know what the hell he's about to say here, before Luke cuts him
>off?
>
No ... but what about the fact that C3PO tells luke that he isn't very
good at telling stories, but in ROTJ he does a rather nice job of
explaining the rebellion to the Ewoks.  hmm... kinda makes you wonder
...
I personally think that C3PO knows more that we are lead to believe, he
isn't exactly telling luke the truth. PLus when C3PO and R2D2 split
apart from the pod... C3PO says ... "NO more adventures... "

cory
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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS? (1st post?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:12:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92106.181257EAO102
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 <1992Apr15.205718.18842@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> <1992Apr15.162133@IASTATE.EDU>
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <1992Apr15.162133@IASTATE.EDU>, picard@IASTATE.EDU (David B Roy)
says:
>You may be right about the long-range plans, though I am pretty sure it's     s
>alway
>been Lucas' plan to make 9, but you're a bit off about Episode IV.  In the
>scrolling text at the beginning of the movie, it says "Episode IV:  A New
>Hope."
>So, it's always been #4, and I think it also shows that George has always
>planned to make 1-3.

NO, no, no....if you were to go back in time, you'd see that when the movie
first came out, it had no number to it.  It wasn't always #4.  The reason
that there are 9 chapters is because there were many scripts available for
the first Star Wars movie to be, each dealing with a different era in the
SW saga.  Marvel comics was given access to these scripts when they began
the comics series back in 1977 as the movie hit the theaters.  There you'll
see a lot about the clone wars and all that, but after the movie was a
smash hit, they decided to make a sequel(s).  Yes there were potential stories
for sequels all along, but no plan to make them....just to make the first one.

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From: tweaver@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Tim Weaver)
Subject: Re: I'll get you, Luke Skywalker, and your little droid too!
Organization: Kalamazoo College
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:44:53 GMT


>He had a fairly difficult time selling this movie to the various studios, 
>by the way.
>Remember that prior to SW, sci-fi in the movies was often trash and didn't sell
>very well, with a few notable exceptions like 2001 (which was made by Kubrick, 
>
Acutally it probably had more to do with the fact that George Lucas has
the depth of saran wrap.  I do know that in the original concept, Luke, 
Obi-Wan and Han Solo were all the same character.  Also in some pre-preduction
art, Luke is shown as Female.  So there were major changes from the original
concept before the movie actually came out.
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From: masanag@athena.mit.edu (Masahiko Nagamiya)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Falcon gif
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:59:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr15.205915.17064
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hey out there, it's really cool that this newsgroup finally got together. 
Anyway, does anyone out there have any cool gifs of the Falcon? If you do, 
I'd really appreciate it if you send it to me... Thanks.

BTW, I remember getting the plastic model kit of the Falcon about 12 years
ago or something, and there were lights included to light the cockpit and
some other part of the ship. I got the same kit (well, I thought I did) about 
two years ago, and it had no lights whatsoever, which was a major dissapoint-
ment. Does anyone out there know if I can still get the old one with the
lights? 

I guess you can tell the Falcon's my favorite ship in SW. :)

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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: EWOK TV MOVIES
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 23:48:43 GMT

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Can't remember who first asked, but the two Made-for-TV Ewok movies were "The
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both took home Emmy's for their respective years.

Brad

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From: merlyn@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: The last *ever* one was in Portland (was Re: Film Fests)
Reply-To: merlyn@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Organization: Stonehenge; netaccess via Intel, Beaverton, Oregon, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:27:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.035548.22518@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@isis (ronald reagan) writes:
| A couple years ago, a local theatre had a SW film fest, showing all 3 movies
| back to back....It was great seeing them on the big screen again - I was
| wondering if this type of event happens a lot around the country or not...
| There was one bad point, though, about :30 minutes worth of TESB was very
| "dirty" (awful red tint on the screen and a lot of what looked to be dust
| particles and such on the film) - by the 4th time I went to this fest, an
| announcer guy came on and explained that TESB was in "pretty bad shape, but
| it's the best we could get our hands on".  How many copies of the films are out
| there?  Are they all deteriorating?

Well, hey, time to bring this up.

Here in Portland Oregon (see my other post regarding how seriously
we take movies around here), they showed (get this):

THE LAST EVER SCREENING OF ALL THREE STAR WARS MOVIES.

Sorry people.  We got it.  A few weeks ago.  And never again.

It was for a grand opening of a new 10-plex (we have about six
10-plexes now :-).  What's funny is that they kept the advertising
real *low* *key*.  If I hadn't been scruffing through the paper that
day, I wouldn't have seen it.

In the listings, I guess they couldn't use the magic words "Star
Wars(tm)", so it said "Come see the three timeless movies by George
Lucas" on a field of stars.  And for the time listings, it said:

GEORGE LUCAS FILM  12:15  7:15
GEORGE LUCAS STRIKES BACK  2:30 9:30
RETURN OF GEORGE LUCAS 4:45 11:45

Heh!  I was hoping the first one wasn't "Howard the Duck" or "Willow"! :-)

$3.  All three movies back to back.  Free softdrinks and popcorn.
Such a deal.

And yes, the films had seen a lot of wear.  We could always tell a
reel change by the snow that would start to show up a minute before
the magic dot.

The rest of you will just have to watch it on Laserdisc. :-) I mean,
they said it at least twice in the ad: "after this screening, these
three movies will be *pulled* from circulation *forever*."  I believe
they were serious.  And since we were the town that ran Star Wars for
79 weeks initially (setting the record), they probably owed it to us
to wrap it up.

Thanks, George!  (And I was *there*!  It's weird to have a ticket stub
with "Star Wars" and a 1992 date on it. :-)

Just another Star Wars Fan-atic,
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Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:09:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.055433.25085@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (BACS Data Communications Group) writes...
>Michael Y Fan writes:
>>The Falcon made the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs.
>That's a technical flaw!  A parsec is a (very large) unit of 
>distance, not time. It's 3.08572 x 10^13 kilometers (aprox. 4 
>light years).  Saying that the Falcon made the Kessel run in 
>under 12 parsecs is like saying you ran the 50-yard dash in less 
>than 40 feet.  On the other hand, who knows what weird geometry 
>warp/hyper/sub space might have!

No wonder Obi-Wan gave Han the "you do not have a clue what you are 
talking about look."

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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Re: Help needed on Boba Fett...
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.050324.24340@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes:
>In article <92106.232636MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu> <MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>|I'd like any info possible that exists on the coolest Bounty Hunter on
>|Imperial retainer...
>|
>|My memories are betraying me on most of what I think I know on Boba...
>|
>|Canonical, non-canonical... I want it all...
>|
>|Thanx,
>|
>|Rebis
>
>Quoting, summarizing from _The Star Wars Sourcebook_ by West End Games:
 

	[much excellent info on Boba Fett deleted]


>"Bobba Fett is a hunter and killer without equal"...
>
>[there you go, everything you ever wanted to know about Boba Fett but were
>afraid to ask, and really didn't care to know in the first place]
> 

Another piece of info, not *QUITE* as useful or interesting, but rather
amusing (and I PROMISE this is true):

My next-door neighbour first saw Star Wars when he was about 4 or 5, and the
next day he came and told us all about it, especially the bad guy called
"Baby Food".

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From: chris@coombs.anu.edu.au (Chris @ SSDA)
Subject: Re: Idea of the Force (was Re: I'll get you, Luke..)
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:13:17 GMT

pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.205512.18391@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (BACS Data Communications Group) writes:
>>
>>   I don't suggest that _Star Wars_ ripped off the plot of _The Wizard 
>>of Oz_, but can't help noticing certain parallels (JUST FOR FUN!):

>BTW I've read some comments that "the force" was derived from the "mystic"
>oriental philosophy and religion. Anybody wants to confirm this, or wants
>to disprove it?"

>Patrick

A few years ago I read a book -vintage 50's/60's which was extremely similar 
to the first StarWars movie - I'm afraid that I cant quite remember
the title or author - (title was something very similar to Star Wars tho)
complete with a Princess, Skywalker, Solo, Chewey, etc and of course a FORCE...
(although with a slightly different name).

Chris.


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From: tcg8@aber.ac.uk (Telsa Christina Gwynne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I'll get you, Luke Skywalker, and your little droid too!
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:25:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <MKC.92Apr16110522@swiss.centerline.com> mkc@centerline.com (Mark 
Culotta) writes:
>
>I would be interested in hearing of other's memories of going to SW the 
>first time.
>
>May the force be with you!

Queuing for a couple of hours to get into the cinema. As we got in, I
announced I was feeling sick and wanted to go home. My dad was so fed
up with the queuing that he said "No. We're staying"...

I can't have been that bad, because I stayed rivetted to the seat all
the way and forgot to be ill :-)

		Telsa
From: davies@owlnet.rice.edu (Stephen Clark Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Antilles
Date: 16 Apr 1992 20:46:46 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Apr16.040857.22871@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes:
>
>Woah:  I just noticed something I never saw/heard before, looking up that
>reference where C3P0 says "our last master"...The holograph of Leia is playing
>and Luke says "she's beautiful" and 3P0 says "I believe she was a passenger on
>our last voyage (not quoting directly here, anymore), a person of some
>importance if I recall".  Then he begins to say "Our captain was attached
>to..."  Anybody know what the hell he's about to say here, before Luke cuts him
>off?

	I don't know the answer to that one, but one thing I *do* want to know
is: in the beginning of SW, does Threepio know who Princess Leia is OR NOT?!?
One of his first lines of the movie is: "There'll be no escape for the
princess this time."  But then, in the scene you mention, he appears to only
have the slightest clue who she might be!  "I believe she was a passenger on
our last voyage...a person of some importance if I recall."  Inconsistent! :-)


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