HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for 2Bs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 08:09:42 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Ryne Sandberg, Chicago		6.80
Delino DeShields, Montreal	6.28
Craig Biggio, Houston		5.95
Robby Thompson, San Francisco	4.65
Luis Alicea, St. Louis		4.47
NL AVERAGE			4.46
Mariano Duncan, Philadelphia	4.36
Willie Randolph, New York	4.30
Bill Doran, Cincinnati		4.26
Mickey Morandini, Philadelphia	4.19
Lenny Harris, Los Angeles	3.72
Mark Lemke, Atlanta		3.71
Kurt Stillwell, San Diego	3.31
Jose Lind, Pittsburgh		2.71

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Roberto Alomar, Toronto		7.87
Lou Whitaker, Detroit		7.79
Carlos Baerga, Cleveland	6.04
Chuck Knoblauch, Minnesota	5.78
Lance Blankenship, Oakland	5.64
Keith Miller, Kansas City	5.52
Scott Fletcher, Milwaukee	5.07
Mike Bordick, Oakland		4.95
AL AVERAGE			4.58
Luis Sojo, California		4.51
Jody Reed, Boston		4.05
Harold Reynolds, Seattle	3.88
Pat Kelly, New York		3.67
Steve Sax, Chicago		3.36
Jim Gantner, Milwaukee		3.27
Al Newman, Texas		3.20
Billy Ripken, Baltimore		3.10	; it's nice to have a big brother

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: MLB Magic Numbers for Tue, Sep 08th, 1992
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:04:40 GMT

In article <44703@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
>
>     MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 08, 1992
>
>          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
>           z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader; EL-eliminated.]
>
>NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
>Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	 --
>Cincinnati Reds		z20		        Montreal Expos		 22
>San Diego Padres	z20		        Chicago Cubs		z17
>Houston Astros           10		        St. Louis Cardinals     z17
>San Francisco Giants      5		        New York Mets           z11
>Los Angeles Dodgers	 EL		        Philadelphia Phillies	  3
>
>AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
>Oakland Athletics	 --		        Toronto Blue Jays	 --
>Minnesota Twins         z21		        Baltimore Orioles	 24
>Chicago White Sox       i20		        Milwaukee Brewers	z21
>Texas Rangers		 10		        Boston Red Sox          z11
>California Angels       z 8		        Detroit Tigers          i11
>Kansas City Royals      z 8		        New York Yankees        z11
>Seattle Mariners	  1		        Cleveland Indians        10
>-- 
Seattle and Philadelphia have also been mathematically eliminated.

RStimets
From: starg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (tony.a.stargel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: OAKLAND
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:38:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


I saw where Oakland won last night on a single by Terry Steinbach.
In clari.sport.baseball, there were two articles on the game
saying that Steinbach singled in Sierra who had doubled.
But the newspaper AND the clari.sport.baseball boxscore
for the Oakland had Sierra with 4 AB, 0 Runs, 2 hits and 1 RBI.
Did Sierra score or who really scored and what happened after sierra doubled????

Tony Stargel
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com (Jeff Heilner)
Subject: Re: ERIK PLUNK UNDERESTIMATED
Organization: SPS
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:06:55 GMT

In article <92251.201915IO20643@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20643@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>  
writes:
>       In my opinion Erik Plunk is one of the greatest relief
> pitchers in baseball today.  I don't see why he is not played
> much.

Where are the simley faces???  Did someone in Maine leave their account  
logged in???


> I have a baseball game that simulates the players almost
> perfectly and Erik Plunk led the league in saves.

Your game is broken.


> I have been following him for a couple of years now, but
> somehow I managed to lose track of him.  If anyone knows who
> he is playing for, please get back to me.

He is blowing games for Cleveland now.


- Jeff

--
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Subject: Re: Amazing Walk Total
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:43:05 GMT

From article <9SEP199215090604@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>, by hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch):
> C'mon, this is the year SAM HORN hit a triple.  If that isn't amazing, I don't
> know what is...  :-) :-) 

How about Dick Stuart's inside-the-park homer off the Green Monster?  Stuart
would make Horn look like a gazelle.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for CFs
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:54:56 GMT

In article <8eg2n1y00WB515qWhL@andrew.cmu.edu> Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>The Pirates sure did sign the wrong guy.  They lead the league in runs
>scored.  They are in first place.  The Mets stink.  Nothing has changed
>since last year, despite a big signing.

But how about that Howard Johnson?
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:34:39 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.224723.7006@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is  
A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
> But the value of these hits are not independent from the player's defensive
> position because a 2bman who draws a walk has a greater chance of scoring
> than a first baseman who draws a walk.  

Such positionism cannot be allowed!!! :-)
Paul Molitor can still outrun Jody Reed, Lou Whitaker ...
Even on the days he plays firstbase.
(what? typical levels? what are those?  :-) 

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rsoe-hulman.edu
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: <None>
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:40:01 PST
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep11.143252.1267@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.223422.16796@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep8.191849.3728@menudo.uh.edu> chee1l5@jetson.uh.edu (Sam Lane) writes:
>>
> 
> I'll say that for the most part, HBP are accidental, but there are some players
> who "know how to get hit" (I'd also have to agree with your "acquired taste"
> sentiment; that's REAL team spirit!). You could also throw in catcher's
> interference, if you had the stats. Van Slyke gets one or two of those a year,
> and while not INCREDIBLY significant, it does help.
> 

 Didn't I just read that Roberto Kelly has something like 7 or 8 
 catchers interference calls this year ?

 Mark Pede
From: v_siede@pavo.concordia.ca (Kaldis, Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves Minor Leaguers (was Re: 15 to protect)
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:30:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>     I got a chance to see Nieves play in both A Durham and AA Greenville this
>season. Both nights he knocked one deep over the right field wall. He's about
>24, and his stats from previous years show a serious upward trend. If he isn't
 ^^^

   Nieves is not 24, but rather only 20 years old.  His birthdate is 12/28/
71.  He looks like a great prospect.  Brock2 projects him as having 500 
homers by the time he retires with a peak at 40 HRs, 120 RBIs.  Definitely 
will be protected by the Braves in the expansion draft.  The Braves have an 
incredible amount of outfield prospects with a future outfield likely to be
   Left Field - Keith Mitchell
   Center Field - Mike Kelly
   Right Field - Mel Nieves

Bill Kaldis
Concordia University
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E)
Subject: The New Commissioner of Baseball
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:52:00 GMT

With the resignation of Fay Vincent, the owners of Major League Baseball have
the task of hiring a new commissioner.  If they can wait until the end of
January, then the following man would be an excellent choice:

	George Herbert Walker Bush

Think about it.  In organizing Desert Shield, Bush demonstrated his ability to
bring together leaders from around the world and focus them towards one
common goal.  Think of what he could do with 28 owners!  Bush also played
baseball at Yale and was captain of the team, so he knows something about
the game.  Also, with his Washington connection, our current President could
be an influential lobbyist for the game.

And besides, the man will be looking for a new job, anyways.

Bush for Commissioner!


Ed Aboufadel
Southern Connecticut State University
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:14:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

> Jack Morris IS a great pitcher.
> If the stats tell us different then it could be that the stats are not
> telling us the whole story

Or it could be that Jack is not in fact so great.  Why is this so hard to
accept?  He threw a shutout at a convenient time, and gets lucky (ie, has a lot
of runs scored for him) often.  I don't equate this with "great".  If he were
truly great, people wouldn't score 4 1/2 times a game off him.

>...If Detroit is down 4-1 in the bottom of the
> ninth of the seventh game with 2 out and the bases loaded who the hell 
> do you want to see at the plate?  And if Cecil was to deliver? Well
> some may call it luck but I think that life is sweeter than that.  I
> would give that man the MVP just for that one moment.  Casey lives.

The problem is, that is the *only* time I'd want to see Cecil up.  When that
ninth inning started, I'd sure rather see almost anyone else up there.  And
ditto for all the "meaningless" times in the first eight innings when Cecil
came up when there was no score, or the Tigers were up by one, or down by one
or two, with maybe no one on, or just a runner on first - ie, the vast majority
of the time.

Let's make an analogy to a team of software engineers - imagine the guy who
goofs off, accidentally deletes his coworker's files, loses the documentation,
trips over power cords causing disk crashes, etc.  He is clearly not pulling
his weight, and is putting the team seriously behind schedule.  At the last
minute he suddently decides to help, and perhaps does a very good job, working
day and night, and cajoling his partners to do the same, to allow the project
to just barely make the deadline.  Is this guy really a hero?  Sure, the casual
observer would see his late inning heroics, but wouldn't the team have been
better off with a steadier worker who could have contributed all the way,
eliminating the need for the sleepless nights at the end?

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marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com		that makes all others obsolete
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Cubs at Cardinals
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:11:50 GMT

Once again, like swallows returning to Capistrano and retirees from the north
heading to Florida for the winter, the Cubs fans migrate to St Louis for
what, to most people, will be a meaningless series against the Cardinals, 
except for those who take their loyalties to the Cubs or Cardinals very
seriously.

The Cubs put up Greg Maddux, Mike Morgan, and Jim "One-Hit" Bullinger against
the Cardinals rotation of Omar Olivares, Rheal Cormier, and Bob Tewksbury,
owner of a miniscule ERA this season. The weekend series will be repeated
next weekend in Chicago, with diehard Cards fans roosting in the stands.

The appearance of Ozzie Canseco, the Hoser's twin brother, could be worth
the price of admission this weekend. Just don't ask him about Nolan Ryan
or Madonna; he's probably clueless about both.

The Cards are currently 0.5 games ahead of the Cubs in third place behind
the Buckos and Les Expos. If there is one good thing going for both teams,
at least the Mets are behind both of them. Where they belong!


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From: rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Schall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 3 Pitchers
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:32:12 GMT
Organization: University Libraries - Library Automatio, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The network trivia question during the Thurs. Pirates/
Giants game was as follows: 

What 3 pitchers faced batters in all three incarntions of 
the Braves organization: Boston, Milwaukee, and Atlanta?

I didn't see them post the answer. Who knows?



--------------------
!!!Richard Schall!!!
rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Todays News (Ole Jose!)
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:52:46 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Welcome to a new regular post in which I will include a
daily bit of news/comment from S.F. Bay Area sports pages.

From the S.F. Chronicle Friday, Sept. 11 (Scott Ostler):

"In Texas, Ranger fans are holding up "Ole Jose!" banners.
Doesn't this show that they love Jose Canseco and truly
appreciate his talents?"

"It shows that they've seen Canseco try to field ground-
ball singles"

----------------------------------------------------------
 James D. Craft <JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
 REMEMBER, WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE KIDDING...THEY'RE NOT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts)
Subject: Re: Juan Gonzales (40+ homers before age 23)
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.144002.27435@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <5773@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
>>
>>It seems that not long ago it was fairly common to see 17, 18 and 19 year
>>old kids playing at the major league level.  Now a days it's a rarity.
>>With guys like Yount starting their careers at 18 and playing 19 or more 
>>full seasons to reach their various career highs (hit, hrs sbs whatever)
>>is it realistic to expect the guys that come up today at 21, 22 or 23 years
>>of age to be able to approach the career numbers of the older players.
>

Interestingly, one of the most common litanies by sportswriters and
other old fogies is that "they rush these kids to the majors today, they
don't spend time in the minors learning the fundamentals..." Bill James
did a study a couple of years which essentially disproved *both*
theories: he documented that the average major-leaguer today has very
close to the same amount of minor-league experience as those of the
1940s and 1950s, and that the number of players moving straight from
amateur ball to the majors is about the same (that is, very small, only
a few in a given decade).

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: matlick@cps.msu.edu (Jeffrey S Matlick)
Subject: Baseball Programs
Originator: matlick@arctic.cps.msu.edu
Reply-To: matlick@cps.msu.edu (Jeffrey S Matlick)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:25:41 GMT

Anyone have any PD baseball sims that they would be willing to share?  I'm
also looking for the source code of the above mentioned.  I don't care how
old the program is, I still want it.  Please uuencode the files and mail
them to me at

  matlick@cps.msu.edu

Thank you in advance!

			Jeff

.
From: karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki)
Subject: Who's better?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:22:37 GMT


Now that we have both Garys back let's argue this again...

Can we now safely conclude that Dennis Eckersley surpasses Rollie
Fingers as the best reliever ever?
-- 
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-KSA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: More on Cecil Fielder
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:12:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.201952.6770@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> josh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (joshua.h.rosenbluth) writes:

>Whosis         581  174 25   2    10   121  .299 .420  .401  98  407

Between Whosis, Fafoofnick, and Rossing, I think we have the core of a
pretty solid offense next year...

Ted "more likely to be mentioned in 'Game Theory and the Law' than
     USA Today Baseball Weekly" Frank
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         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
         here i sit looking for a warming smile in a house of cold wit
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm)
Subject: Hrbek to have surgery
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:40:19 GMT

Mpls. Star Tribune reported that Kent Hrbek will have surgery in 
the off-season to repair a torn rotator-cuff.  Apparently the 
shoulder has given him problems in the past and was damaged 
even more by his belly-flop into 3rd against St. Louis in the 
preseason.  

This presents a lot of questions and problems.  Will Hrbek make 
the effort at rehab. or is this the end?  He has never shown much of
an effort to get into shape in the first place.  He may make an 
effort at rehab, but will he come back to his previous level of play?
Since he is a 5/10 man, he has to be protected also.  

For Twins fans, we could be seeing the final days of the "old" Twins
and the start of the new.  Familiar faces that will could be gone include
Kirby Puckett, Kent Hrbek, Randy Bush, Chili Davis, Greg Gagne, 
Gene Larkin, and David West(finally).  Granted, it is unlikely that
both Puckett and Gagne will go to other teams, but it is possible.

On the flip side, we are probably seeing some new faces that will be 
around for a considerable time.  The two players that come to mind are
Pat Mahomes and Mike Trombley.  Both have shown flashes of brilliance 
this year.  It seems that the problem with both is lack of concentration
with runners on base.  I think this is probably a common problem for 
young pitchers and should improve.  Also likely to be play roles next 
year will be Terry Jorgenson (if not taken in the expansion draft) and
David McCarty.  Jorgenson has been in the farm system for a number of
years, so I wouldn't be expecting much.  If the Twins lose Gagne, 
they would move Leius to SS and Jorgenson to 3rd, or so the local 
mediots say.  This would appear to be logical, as Leius/Jorgenson should
give more offensively than Leius/Gagne.  Of course, if Gagne signs
he will remain at SS.  McCarty seems to be the newest media love-child in
Mpls.  I haven't seen him play, but he seems to be a definite prospect.
From what I have seen of his stats, he hits for some power in about
the .270-.280 range.  He also plays OF or 1st, which are two definite 
needs.

Steven Kelm

P.S.  Is Cal Eldred really as good as he has appeared lately?
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Real-life rulebook trivia
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:16:54 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Dept. of Mathematics


This actually happened in today's Tigers-Red Sox game.

There is a runner on first base with nobody out.  He goes with the
pitch, and the batter hits a drive to deep left-center.  The runner has
already rounded second when the center fielder makes a running catch.
The ball is thrown to the second baseman, who relays it to the
shortstop, with the runner still between second and third.  The
shortstop steps on second base and then throws to the third baseman, who
tags the runner.  Who gets the putout?

Answer...

A runner forced to return while the ball is in play must touch all bases
in reverse order; thus, he is required to touch second.  Since he left
second base before the catch, he is out when the shortstop tags the
base; the third baseman's tag is irrelevant.

--
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"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: Re: Prize Money for Playoffs, WS?
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:23:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.192750.26602@sco.com>, jcohen@sco.COM (Jon Cohen)
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if MLB still gives special bonus money
> to all players on teams that come in second, win their
> divisions, win the playoffs, win the world series?
> 
> What are the prizes, and how much do the players get?

I'm not sure of the figures, but I think the pay-offs still go down to 3rd
place and maybe even 4th in each division. The reason you don't hear about
them is that they're such a pittance compared to the players' salaries
these days that nobody except rookies or maybe Jack Clark would care about
them. It's the baseball equivalent of getting a $50 tax cut from Bush -
dinner and a movie and you're forgotten about it the next day.

In the old days, the bonuses for winners likely would exceed the players'
salaries for the year - now *that's* an incentive program.

- Matt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Stupid Injuries (was Re: Life  6.F)
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:49:39 GMT


Then there was Wade Boggs, who missed some games due to a pulled muscle
in his rib cage (I think), while trying to take off his cowboy boots in
his hotel room.

Don't flame me if I'm wrong here, but I think it was in Anaheim at the
height of Margogate.