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From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   PC's vs. mortals
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:58:16 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <1992Jul22.195325.4722@seas.gwu.edu>, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>>Who cares about games. These won't be colour systems, and anyway games will
>>>move off computer platforms within 2 years.
> 
> ?????
> 
> Hmmmm.....

Yeah, I know; I caught that too.  I'd be interested in learning what he means
by "moving off computer platforms" and his reason(s) for believing it.

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:23:24 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <36173@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
> >Just curious... is AmigaDOS 2.0 a 32 bit OS?
>
> Just curious...  I've only got a MS in computer science so before
> I finish my PhD, could someone tell me what a 32 bit OS is?

A 32-bit OS is one where the OS and OS data structures do not assume the
upper 8-bits of addresses are ignored by the CPU.  With the 68000, the
upper byte of addressers are ignored - and Apple in their infinite wisdom
used those bits in system memory allocation (and other) OS calls - effectively
limiting memory usage to 16Megs...

> --
> Darin Johnson
> djohnson@ucsd.edu
>   - I'm not a well adjusted person, but I play one on the net.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: Re: Proposal: comp.sys.amiga.barrett
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:14:03 GMT

In article <50619@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>	Now, if you wanted to form a comp.sys.amiga.BLAZEMONGER newsgroup, I
>might be interested. :-)
>
>                                                        Dan

So when is BLAZEMONGER III coming out?   I booted up BLAZEMONGER
yesterday expecting the usual GAME OVER screen but instead the computer
shut itself off.   Whats wrong?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:16:39 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <3406@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>
>  20 years from now history will have a very different read on Carter and
>on Reagan/Bush...
>

20 years?  How about 1 year from now after President Clinton and the
rest of the Democrats rewrite the history books just as the Republicans
did 12 years ago.

Paul.
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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:25:53 GMT

In <1992Jul26.190744.12857@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>Just curious... is AmigaDOS 2.0 a 32 bit OS?

Well, there's nothing like a 32-bit OS. This term is used for PCs which can
operate in different processor modes resembling the whole 80x86 family.
The 8086 (real mode and virtual 8086 mode) and 80286 modes (286 protected
mode) are refered to as 16bit modes. The 80386 protected mode is refered
to as 32bit mode. The 80286 can run in the real mode too, the 80386
and 80486 can run in all these modes.
The instruction sets used are different for each mode which largely
affects execution speed and memory access methods if the program is
compiled for a specific mode.
The 386 protected mode is called 32bit mode because most instructions
will work on 32bit data and all data registers are treated as 32bit values.
So a 32bit OS in PC-speak would be an OS that runs in 386 protected mode.

The 68000 doesn't make these differences. There _is_ a relating
classification wether a program runs in 24bit or 32bit address space
which interests Mac people and some device driver writers for the Amiga.
This has nothing to do with performance though. Another relating item is
extension of the instruction sets when going from 68000 to 68040 which
(slightly) does affect performance. The OS however runs on all models.
Since all 680x0 processors use largely the same programming model
(32bit data, 32bit addresses) you could say that AmigaOS has been a
32-bit OS from the first version.

Regards,
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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Revenge of the OS Names (Was: OS Names - what they are...)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:40:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.033935.5186@cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapcnl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chris Lawrence) writes:
>Distribution: World
>
>In article <62438@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>:Did someone mention AmigaDOS in here?
>
>I think so... Of course, you know, it really isn't an operating system :-).
>
>AmigaDOS  - Disk operating system
		  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	AmigaDOS is an operating system. Whether you like it or not. 

	Another operating system is the DTBID OS, which is the David Tiberio
Backing Into a Driveway system, which is frequently overlooked here on the
nets.

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Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:00:03 -0600
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Jul26.213033.7016@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.190744.12857@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>>Just curious... is AmigaDOS 2.0 a 32 bit OS?
>
>   I am not completely certain what is meant by "32-bit OS", but I know that
>much of Intuition and the graphics.library are strictly limited to 8 bitplanes.
>The equivilents to Intuition and graphics.library under MacOS, Windows, and
>OS/2 are clean 32-bit designs.

Marc,
   You are confusing the issue here.  Though that is not suprising given that
the terms "32-bit OS" and "32-bit application" are not really defined well.
In the root case, you can consider an application or OS to be 32-bit compliant
when it is capable of taking advantage of a 32-bit microprocessor design, and
does not have hold-over problems from 16-bit setups.  Such is the case with
applications which might use the upper bits of an address to hold data -- this
was no problem on a 68000 with a 24 bit address space, but fatal on the full
32-bit 68020 and above (Microsoft Amiga Basic did something similar to this -
part of the reason it does not work very well under 68020+ based Amigas without
patching).
   MS-DOS would probably not be called a 32-bit DOS as it is given memory
restraints even in a 32-bit environment.  I would classify AmigaOS as a 32-bit
design as it can effectively deal with and take advantage of a 32-bit
environment.  The bitplane allotment in the system display parameters does
not dictate this judgement.  That is a seperate subsystem in which the OS
is dealing with the hardware it has access to.  You would not call an operating
system to be 'non 32-bit' simply because it has to deal in smaller quantities
when accessing a 16-bit peripheral.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

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From: oleg@crumpet.cts.com (Oleg Rovner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:48:37 GMT
Organization: Church O' Lantern
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul24.083711.17707@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> 
> Republicans are professional mudslingers.  They've got the most
> experience in doing it, and they've been doing it as a standard
> technique for a long long time.  Anyone who's anything at all into
> politics can see the sheer number of times they use it.  And it works.
>  

[some unrelated stuff killed]

Bullshit. Both Democrats and Republicans have done a fair share of mud
slinging, but Democrats are much more notorious for having run quite
a few poltical machines, which did EVERYTHING to crush any opposition.
As far as democratic mudslinging, let's take a closer look at the Anita
Hill testimony, and the involvement of Democratic senatorial aides in it,
or the Robert Bork hearings, or Judge Ginsburg. I won't even  mention the
smearing of Ronald Reagan... Neither party can survive without the
mudslinging since they are now virtually equivalent in philosophy.
 Oleg
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:01:09 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
(Can a Quadra output to a TV or VCR)
:    Yes.

Like I said, it's a damn shoddy signal.

:    I use Macs here, and the HD performance of these machines is definately
: faster than my TrumpCard Pro 500.  Granted, they are slower than the A3000,
: but then the A3000 is also quite a bit more expensive than any of these 
: Macs.  You get what you pay for.  But at least these Macs HAVE a SCSI port.
: Commodore is currently advertizing the A2000 on 'special' for $1200, and
: for this you only get the main unit and a monitor -- NO SCSI controller 
: and no HD at all.  Again, what is better: a slower HD, or no HD?

Well, it's either you get SCSI & B&W or no SCSI, DMA audio & video, and
color.  And for 1200, around here, you can pick up an entire system:
Amiga 2000 + color monitor.  Hell, for that you might even be able to
get a HD.

:   Will you please give it up?  You keep giving me (and everybody else reading
: this newsgroup) more and more evidence that you do not know what you are
: talking about.  All of the XXXx960 modes (640x960, 320x960, 160x960, etc.)
: work fine on my VGA-compatible monitor.  They work because the XXXx960 modes
: are INTERLACED.  You really are in serious need of a clue.

Agreed.

Listen (newsgroup), the resolution we're talking about is called
VGA-ExtraLores.  This is not something to be bickering about.  Marc is
right, look in Libraries if you need the name.  Actually, to hell with
that.  Get the ECS chipset & 2.0, and look at a screenmodes requester.
:)

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:31:40 GMT

In <1992Jul24.151535.2865@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.093643.11790@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>I haven't seen Quadra output but most Mac II systems cannot output a
>>usable NTSC or PAL signal. Can you connect them to a TV or VCR ?

>   Yes.

Still wondering why Macs aren't that much into video then. All Macs I
have seen that were used for video had an extra video card.

>   I use Macs here, and the HD performance of these machines is definately
>faster than my TrumpCard Pro 500.  Granted, they are slower than the A3000,
>but then the A3000 is also quite a bit more expensive than any of these 
>Macs.  You get what you pay for.  But at least these Macs HAVE a SCSI port.

Maybe you compare different things, first use the C= HD controller.. and
second, use the same drive. Then compare. And please, state _what_ you
did compare.
BTW, just using stock software you cannot use the Mac SCSI port for anything
else as the harddisks sold by Apple. Add $80 for Silverlining which is
one third the cost of an Amiga SCSI controller.

>Commodore is currently advertizing the A2000 on 'special' for $1200, and
>for this you only get the main unit and a monitor -- NO SCSI controller 
>and no HD at all.  Again, what is better: a slower HD, or no HD?

You just have to buy a model with HD. A2000, 1Meg chip, OS2.04,
Color monitor, 50Meg HD cost: $1470, the main unit with monitor
alone costs $1000.

>   Will you please give it up?  You keep giving me (and everybody else reading
>this newsgroup) more and more evidence that you do not know what you are
>talking about.  All of the XXXx960 modes (640x960, 320x960, 160x960, etc.)
>work fine on my VGA-compatible monitor.

Does that prove anything ? They do _not_ work fine on _my_ VGA compatible
monitor, guess why ?

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:36:43 GMT

In <1992Jul23.213839.25936@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   Not as small as you'd think.  Most of the Mac II systems (and all of the 
>Quadr systems) can output NTSC and PAL. 

I haven't seen Quadra output but most Mac II systems cannot output a
usable NTSC or PAL signal. Can you connect them to a TV or VCR ?

>   Is it really better to have no hard disk capability at all?  For Amiga 500
>owners, adding something as basic as a hard drive can cost three times more
>than they paid for their computer!  It's also a pretty safe bet that even the
>slowest Macs are quite a lot faster than the A600's IDE port in terms of HD
>speed.

_All_ Macs except for the Quadra (and if I remember right the IIfx)
have _slower_ HD interfaces. Their SCSI performance is below anything
you can find on the Amiga and it should be slower than the A600s IDE
port as an IDE port isn't inherently slow, it has a worse burst speed
than SCSI and no time multiplexing of the bus, both aren't interesting
if you have a midrange HD and don't access multiple disks in parallel.
SCSI is of course more versatile but an A590 controller (not the utterly
slow disk that comes with it) beats nearly all Macs.

>>>   Oh, yes, the infamous 160x480 and 160x960 HAM modes.  Too bad the
>>>horizontal resolutions are lower than on my old VIC-20.
>>
>>Those modes aren't VGA.. can you read ? He said VGA compatible modes.

>   Shows how much you know about Amigas.  These modes most certainly are VGA.
>Get a clue next time.

Shows how much you know about VGA. While 160x480 possibly could use 
VGA frequencies the 160x960 can never be VGA as VGA cannot display 960 lines.

Regards,
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Commodore Address!
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 02:31:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.134106.28598@ccu.umanitoba.ca> remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard) writes:
>    Please don't flame me, I got burnt to a crisp in a posting that I made in 
>comp.os.os2.advocacy. (Called, "OS/2 and Windows?  Give em the punt!")
> Take a look at it.  I woulda done all of you Amigaphiles proud!!

I really doubt you did do us proud.  Amiga owners get enough flames as
it is for their attitude towards other machines.  Going to the newsgroups
of another system and flaming them, whilst praising the Amiga, won't
get Amiga owners, or the Amiga, any respect.

>Jason L. Remillard                     ||  "Fight the POWER" 

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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC World's John C. Dvorak Speaks Out...
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:25:07 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:

>I like some of Jerry's writing, the stuff that comes in paperback novels.
>I don't care much for his other fiction, the stuff printed in Byte.

  Look closer, the stuff you like is probably coauthored by Larry Niven, I
never cared for anything Jerry wrote by himself.  Anything with Larry's name
on it, alone or in collaboration is great.

  -jack-
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:22:39 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <33324@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
 >
 >In fact, if you look at IBM's
 >XGA, Intel's DVI, or any number of new graphics-related architectures, you'll
 >see quite a bit of the same ideas that have comprised the Amiga architecture
 >since "ancient times".  

Yeah, last I read they are catching up. XGA is even said to have one (1!)
sprite!!! They call it the "cursor" :-)))

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From: kfisher3@mach4.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Summary: 32bits defined! 
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:35:05 GMT
Keywords: ibm, 32 bits 

In article <1992Jul28.174400.6298@msi.com> bill@msi.com writes:
>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>: Not intuitive to me, though.  I launched the same app 8 times by accident
>: on a 50MHz 486 machine the other day.  Double-click on icon - wait -
>: must have failed so try again...  Finally all 8 incarnations came up...
>
>You had your system setup wrong.  The installed default of clicking on an
>Icon is bring up original.
>
>: Jerry - the Amiga OS has had the SAME potential you describe (i.e. 32 bit apps)
>: for almost 8 years and look where that has gotten us Amiga users.  Not very
>: far, in other words.  If people "learned" potential, the Amiga would have
>: sold 50 Million machines by now - especially the A3000.
>
>Ah, but 32-bit apps on the PC is a different story.  Businesses have PCs
>not Amigas.  32-bit computing is so important now, Microsoft, the largest
>software firm in the PC World is scrambling to get 32-bit apps in the
>works.
>
So, a 32-bit application is DEFINED by the business community eh?  I guess
anything that isn't in the hand s of big biz is obsolete too..


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From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: The future of the Amiga is clear
Keywords: PEROT for President
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:35:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.222814.26465@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> derek@osc.edu (Derek Bolski) writes:
>
>One of the latest Byte issues had an article favorizing Amiga and VideoToaster
>with AmiLink as the best editing suit for professionals (in comparison to
>Mac or PC based). Interestingly enough, It stated that Midi software (Bars&
>Pipes Professional) was providing more powerful control over sound that
>other sequencers software for Macintosh!
>
This columnist is active in comp.sys.multimedia. He had ever mentioned
that he bought the Amiga because of Video Toaster, AmiLink and Bar&Pipe
Pro. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: 386SX Bridgeboard Pricing 
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.122550.17528@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dudley@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (John Dudley) writes:

>I believe 700 may be for the educational discount, which not everyone
>can get. Even if it is the retail price, for only $200 or so more, you get...

$700 is neither an educational discount, nor a good price by Canadian
standards. In my area, the 386SX retails for $630 CDN, or ~500 U.S.

Mark

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