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From: kait@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Crow: Origins?
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:24:59 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University


 And while we're at it, someone
> tell me where i can pick up the third installement of the Crow graphic
> novels.  (These are the two-part books...  ie.  Pain and Fear, Irony and
> Despair.  Not the original issues.)  Or any other paraphanelia.  I've got
> a T-shirt of the Crow (I'm not Dead, Yet) that i love, and a friend wants
> one.  Unfortunatly, i can't seem to find anymore.
> -Brandy-
> 
> christina johnson

The Crow was originally published by Caliber comics, issues 1-4, which were
reprinted as books 1 and 2. unfortunately the didnt come out with the fifth
installment...  the T-shirt probably came out from Caliber (though i may be
wrong) and there is a movie in the works staring Brandin lee (rapidfire),
though apparently someone somewhere did a college project flick of the crow
that did include the ending. Also to the best of my knowlege J obarr created
Crow....

                                Just babbling...
                                        Th Andserson

>
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SIDE NOTE ON "DOOMSDAY"
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:15:31 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org's message of 20 Nov 92 19:30:40 GMT

Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man) writes:
|...according to a close associate who claims to have an e-mail connection 
|with Neil Gaiman, the reason Death does NOT appear at the front of the funeral
|march in a cheerleader suit w/twirling baton went something like this:

|Mike Carlin/Et Al: "Neil, we'd like to use Death in this storyline..."

|Neil: "Level with me...does he *really* die?"

|MC: "Uh....yes...well, no, actually, he does get better. We're not sure as
	to how just yet...but we'd still lik..."

|Neil: "In that case, the answer is 'no'. After all, Death wouldn't be there
	  unless he was *really* dead. Next question?"

Hee, hee.

|...so I guess we can assume Death's appearance at the end of "The End" means
|that the 30th Century Earth and those 2 billion-plus that were left behind
|are, in fact, toast.

I can't wait to see how they retcon this whole series away.

|Any guesses on how soon the survivors wind up on Danny the Earth?

They'll rebuild the planet somehow or they'll make it go away or...
or something.
--
Peace.
      "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my
       plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a
       diner.  Being here in America doesn't make you an American."  
                                --Malcolm X
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    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Superman #75 is Pissing Me Off
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:57:18 GMT

I headed down to my comic shop to pick up my comix, which I've already
listed from the list Jim provides (thanks again).  There's a line
out the door and around the corner!  I just want my weekly fix, I
don't even WANT Superman #75, and all these people who could normally
care less about comics are flocking to the store.  I'm happy for the
store, of course, maybe they'll snag a few more regular customers,
but....  Whining about it is cathartic.

Another big P.O. is that with the extremely low quality of this issue,
once again people are going to look at it, say "This is comics?" and
go back to ignoring them.
-- 
Don't be afraid, I'm right behind you -  using you as a shield.
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The LNH -- think a moment before you scowl
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:26:23 GMT
Reply-To: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu

First off, think about this little tidbit:  out of the last 12 posts received
	here, FOUR have been about your little arguement.  No LNH posts --
	just your griping.

And now my main point: is rec.arts.comics.MISC supposed to be a private
	little club where only certain comics belong?  Seperate newsgroups
	are for the convenience of people interested in that topic; NOT
	so that "I don't want to read about mutant titles anymore -- go
	get your OWN newsgroup!" mentalities get happy.

And THAT, dear net.readers, is EXACTLY what you opposed to the LNH are
attempting to accomplish.  Already an X-Men fan can't post on racm without
getting flamed to within an inch of his life -- because "that kind of
discussion isn't welcome here!"  In a misc group, ANY kind of discussion is
welcome -- like it or not!  You don't read mutant titles, hit "n".  You
don't like the LNH, do the same.

The LNH is, in it's own right, a comic book.  It has no pictures (usually),
but a comic-style storyline using comic-style characters.  It is a comic book.
Rec.arts.comics.misc is devoted to the discussion of any and all comics --
WITHOUT exception.  By definition, the LNH, as a comic books, belongs on
racm just as much as any other title...  INCLUDING the Marvel Mutant titles.


This group is for everybody.  Remember that.

	-Joshua H. Geurink, CVE

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From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Idiotic Speculators
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:53:00 GMT

Today I walked into my local comic book shop to pick up my comics for the
week.  As I looked the books over on the shelf picking up a few new books
that looked interesting, I noticed a man I have never seen before talking
to the owner of the sI couldn't help but overhear the conversation.

The guy had a stack of Robin III #2 's a mile high, and was saying, "I'm
strictly in this for the returns."  He then went on to ask if they had
any Fantastic Four issues with the all white covers, and our shop owner
said no, they were sold out.  So by this time, my shop owner sees that
I am ready to check out, and goes into the back to get my books that I
have him pull for me.  I paid for my books, and the guy started talking
about the Image titles and such.  As I was writing my check, I asked
about the Robin III newsstand cover because there were none on the shelf.
I wanted to buyt because I don't care about those moving cover gimmicks,
I just want to read the story.  The speculator guy said, "You're like me,
I don't like to tear the seal."  I wanted to tell him that I am nothing
like him, and that he's stupid if he thinks he's going to see some great
return from those books he's buying, but I figured I'd let him lose his
money instead.  :-)

Anyways, as I was leaving the store, I looked back at the shop owner, and
just smiled and shook my head.  He did the same thing back at me.  The
last thing I heard when I left was, "What about this Robin 3000?"  
Oh, how I hope he bought a big stack of those.  

I guess the good news is that this guy came in too late to buy up all
the Superman #75's because they all sold out Thursday night.  (My copy was
safe in the back, as I'm  a regular reader of the Supes titles.)

I laugh at all the speculators like that guy.

I fart in your general direction.  :-)

___________________________________________________________________________
Tracy Persky           Texas A&M University           tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu

John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."  (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:00:04 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <>lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I liked the early 80's version [of Catwoman] as well, but probably my single
>favorite Selina story is the one where she went nuts and put Silver in
>the hospital B{).  That's a love-triangle I'd *love* to see pursued

I dont remember any story in which Selina put Silver in the hospital. There
was a story in which she put Vicki Vale in the hospital, "Never Scratch a
Cat", which is indeed an excellent story. Its my second favorite story
Catwoman story, the first being the Alan Brennert written story about the
Batman of Earth-2's courtship of Catwoman-2, in "The Autobiography of
Bruce Wayne". 

>Denny's writing has been real hit and miss for me of late, but the
>last few things (Bats/GA, LotDK and it's annual, etc.) have been
>pretty good.  So I'm fairly hopeful about Birth of the Demon (at least
>it'll look great, in any case :^).  

Yeah, but it is hardcover. That would probably push its price into the $30
range :-(. 


>BTW, is Julie Madison the one that became Princess
>whatever-the-heck of fill-in-the-blank small princedom?  If so, she's
>definitely better left forgotten :^) All I can remember at the moment
>is that stupid WF story with Batman playing the Prince but fooling no
>one in the entire cast, and the Hugo Strange rip-off who was infected
>with the Brain.  She was a non-entity even when she was in continuity

Yes, thats her. She was a fairly prominent character in very early batman
stories, even being Bruce Wayne's fiancee. She even appeared in a 
an early Secret Origin's story about the Golden Age Batman. Haney used her
in a few rather stupid WF stories, but that shouldnt detract from her
importance as a character.

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but Vicki Vale goes *way* back, to the
>Golden Age, doesn't she?  Too bad she wasn't left back there...

Yup, batman #49, as far back as 1948. She wasnt really that prominent as a cha-
racter till the early 80s. 

Abhijit
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Elfquest: Hidden Years #4 (Spoilers)
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:28:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov16.182819.23712
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias):
>>Actually, this is uncertain.  At the beginning of the issue, we are told 
>>that it's been six years (since Rayek lost control of the palace).  Near
>>the end, we learn from the same source (Ember) that it's been six years
>>(subjective) since she left the village...

>Reminder: last time Ember went to the Sun Village, was when the Palace
>paused there before going to the other continent...
>
>Does it makes a good explanation?..

'Fraid not.  She says that it was six years -- when she was six.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
	--Internal documentation, programmer unknown
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:05:22 -0500 
From: Peter Jason Ward <pw2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nigh Invulnerable
	<naam.722551301@lorax.cecer.army.mil>

   NINJA HEDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!         SPOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                Peter Ward
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099)
Subject: Re: Strange Things Afoot in Marvel about Supes
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:16:20 GMT

In article <Ef3Yfqe00iV141351f@andrew.cmu.edu> Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Does it strike anyone as ironic that Marvel seems to have more reverence
>for Superman than DC does?
>
>
What I want to know is, Do the pannels in Ghost Rider and Morbius mean that 
Marvel's Vengence seekers are going to be going after Jurgens and co. for the
Dudsday storyline?


---SCAVENGER thinking that we can hope.


-- 
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    But it helps!!!                             |         -Crow T. Robot (MST3K)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff)
Subject: Jimmy Olsen Must Die
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:58:38 GMT

Was anyone else very upset at Jimmy? Lat panel (the neat fold out one): Kal is 
dead, Lois screaming in tears, and Jimmy, he's getting a picture of her 
anguish.  Not even an emotional moment. Gods, I hope I have better "pals".

kristoff

ps - I was really hoping the special poster would be Matrix holding Kal's body 
(a la Crisis).  Is that the worst picture of Etrigan ever or what?
From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Annotated Tintin Chronology part II
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:00:35 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1ecrt2INN6ot@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken) writes:
>

>THE CALCULUS AFFAIR
>  This one is a cold war era spy story involving Calculus's latest
>  invention, a sonic weapon.  Once again Sylvania and Borduria
>  are involved.  This story also introcduces Jolyon Wagg, an 
>  obnoxious insurance salesman, and the inimitable Bianca
>  Castafiore

This does introduce Jolyon Wagg, but is not Bianca's first appearance. She
explicitly refers to Tintin as her young friend and mentions previous appear-
ances. Bianca first appears in "King Ottokar's Sceptre", in which she gives
Tintin a ride and insists on singing for him. She made several appearances
(Land of Black Gold, Seven Crystal Balls) before this. 

>I would direct you to TINTIN AND THE WORLD OF HERGE by Benoit Peeters 
>published by Little Brown and Company.  An excellent book, extensively 
>illustrated.  A must for any rabid Tintin fan.

Yes, its great. Also very expensive :-(.

Abhijit

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: The New Frontier
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:44:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.200046.17043@newstand.syr.edu>, hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low) writes:
> 
> For those of you who have seen it already, I swear I've seen
> at least the artist's (and perhaps the writer's) work in
> another work that involved UFO's, G-Men, an ace reporter,
> and communism...does this sound familiar to anybody?  It
> was printed in a larger format, like 'Jimbo'.

THE SILENT INVASION.

BTW, "The New Frontier" (isn't that a phrase from an Eisenhower speech?)
was previously serialized in Heavy Metal, so I had it already.  I haven't
bought the reprints.

> This is good stuff that receives hardly enough attention.

Agreed!  This is a very unique comic.  Certainly a better read than this
"Death of Superman" silliness.
-- 
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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superman: latest Doomsday disappointment
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:57:43 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I know that comics are written way in advance, but it is an interesting
coincidence that soon after all the grumbling around here about why
Superman didn't just grab Doomsday and fly him into outer space, We get
a scene of exactly that.  Followed, of course, by yet another amazing
disappointment.  He just squirms out of Superman's grip, and that's it?
Superman doesn't even try to get a better grip and do it again, flying
faster this time?

One more issue to go, and this has got to be the saddest time in my
twenty five years of reading comics.  A little sad to see Superman die,
of course, but mostly sad because the supposed real death of the first
and still the greatest comic book super hero of all time is being handled
in so pathetically lame a fashion.  As a young comics reader, I was sad
when Ferro Lad died.  But at least he died saving the entire Earth,
and in circumstances that, at least within the continuity of the story
at the time, seemed necessary and unavoidable.  So while I might not have
wanted to see the character die, I couldn't fault the writers for the
way in which the death was handled.

But Superman is going to die to save "Mtrr plss" because some wacko,
super-strong, brainless, thing saw a wrestling ad on TV.  The readers
of this newsgroup, without any strain on their collective brains, have
come up with literally dozens of ways that Doomsday could be stopped
or removed from Earth entirely without the necessity of Superman dying.

Think about it:  The death of the greatest super hero of all time is
being handled by writers who have substantially less creativity than
the average poster to this newsgroup.  Now that is certainly not meant
as a slur on the good people around here.  But wouldn't you think that,
before starting off to kill Superman, the writers would put just a
teensy bit more thought into it than what we come up with here off
the tops of our heads?  Don't you expect just a tad more out of so-called
professionals?  Especially when writing so monumental an event? 

Truly pathetic, that's all I can say.

--James Preston

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods The good parts version
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:53:57 GMT

In article <By1KCy.3qp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>He's not dead.
>He's just MOSTLY dead.
>I've seen worse.

The Princess Bride - Ha.


Eric Jaron Stieglitz "DragonEyes" aka "Torque" aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: DC: Alan Moore bibliography?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:58:16 GMT

Would someone post a bibliography (issue #'s) of everything Alan Moore
has done for DC?  Bill Henley's synopsis of Moore's "last Superman
story" has convinced me that I must have everything he's done for them
(I've been satisfied with searching for Swamp Thing issues until now).

	-dp-
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:07:53
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: whelal@engr.UVic.CA's message of Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:53:47 GMT


ss> God, this makes me sick. Let's pass a law, that nobody under 15 can
ss> buy comic books....
>

whelal> Is that age or IQ because if its IQ some of these comments
whelal> certainly qualify.

Yes, good point. But todays young comic readers seem only intrested in
make a profit on a book. They don't buy it becaues they want it, or
becaues they like a charector. I will admit, that I'm happy when I see
a book that I own, and it's worth $20 or something, but I'm still not
going to sell it. Hopefully I will be able to pass the collection on
to someone in the future who will enjoy them as much as I did. And
it's a shame that regular Superman reader's (like me) had to scramble
to shops to get these death issue's. They printed over 3 million of 
#75. It will be 50 years before it ever fetches a price over $100. I
hope he comes back soon, becaues the Superman titles are one of my
favorites.


--
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Tintin animation (was Re: Tintin Cronology)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:30:23 GMT

In article <tal691.721966702@huxley>, tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald) writes:
> Any news about the Tintin cartoon that's s'posed to be out from Nelvana?  

Yup.  Has been playing on HBO (cable TV movie channel) for the last year.

These are adaptations of the Herge stories.  They look EXACTLY like the
original stories, even though they have been shortened to fit the format
(two half-hour episodes per story).
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From: rschwabe@bach.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Deathstroke--> I knew it!!!!, I knew it!!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:58:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxtztD.DGH
Organization: University of Delaware

Okay, be honest here.  How many other people thought that Cheshire was behind   the conspiracy against Deathstroke.  I figured that she had to appear in the 
pages at some point in time and that it is a good idea to have her as the head
of an entire organization.  I am glad she is appearing in the book, it was one
of the things on my wish list when I heard that the book was being written
(then again another was that they did not try to bring the Ravager back.)

People have been asking what Checkmate is--Checkmate is an organization which
was created as an alternitive to Suicide Squad, because they would deal with 
the non meta-human problem.  The book wasgood because the characters were very
real (Harvey Bullock who is now of BTAS fame played an essential part to the 
book).  Also it is sort of logical that Checkmate appears in Deathstroke becauseMarv created the character known as Vigilante (the second one not the woman thatappears in Deathstroke now) and that book introduced us tomany characters who
then went on to Checkmate (Harry Stein, Blackthorn, Peacemaker, etc.)and in 
face Checkmate filled the void that Vigilante left (after he commited sucide 
there wasn't a real reason to keep the comic going.)

Just my thoughts.

Robert J. Schwabe