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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Jedi powers
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:41:11 GMT

[lots of stuff deleted]

Kenobi's description of the rise of the Empire seems to indicate that Vader's
turn was essential:

ANH: "Vader helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights...Now the
	Jedi are all but extinct..."

RotJ: "My mistake [training Vader inadequately] has had terrible consequences
	for the galaxy.."

To me it seems clear that Vader's help was necessary to exterminate the Jedi
so thoroughly. Incidentally, I think Obi-Wan was just being humble when he
accepted responsibility for Vader's fall. Whatever anyone says, he was a super
studly Jedi, one of the best ever. [and BTW I don't think he's 100 years
old...more like seventy or seventy-five.]

Another tidbit, someone thought Ben could hide on Tatooine because he was
near Luke, or Jabba; I say phooey. Jabba had no force-power, and Luke's
untrained ability couldn't hide Ben's, or Vader wouldn't have sensed him on
the Death Star. Not to mention that Leia, with lots of untrained
force-sensetivity, was never detected by Vader even when he interrogated her.

I'm willing to play along with Zahn while I read his books, but I don't buy
the Yoda-hid-by-the-cave theory. The only reason the Emperor knew about Luke
was his ability to forsee the future somewhat. (And perhaps some Imperial
Intelligence info. ...BTW is "Imperial Intelligence" an oxy moron?)

					That's all from the local guru...
______________________________________________________________________________

"You bet your asteroid." --Ham Salad

					Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
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From: HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: The Next SW Film will not be out soon!!!
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:41:19 GMT
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In <1equksINNopc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU writes:

> In article <1ep9ulINNcib@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
> 
> >Also, just an experiment...
> >Does anyone know what Speilberg's next film will be? I'm talking AFTER
> >Jurassic Park. I just wanna see how fast news gets around and how well
> >informed people are...
> 
> 	I think it's Mr. Magoo, isn't it?
> 
> 						-Jay



	Perhaps Star Wars: Episode I? Hmmmmm.....I wonder.....
-dave w.
From: cstadcd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr A P Jerrison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Is Vadar thick or what?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 13:51:35 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Books 2 and 3 have yet to be published in the UK so I apologise if these
questions are answered in those books.

When Luke and Leia are talking about Yoda in Book 1 they conclude that he
hadn't been found because of the cave's "dark" Force cancelling his as an
electron and proton do. If this is the case why in the films has Ben 
Kenobi gone undiscovered so long? There wasn't any dark Force there.

Also in the same book there are some small furry creatures which suppress
the action of the Force. Even though C'boath is surrounded by them he still
manages to control the attacking spaceships. How does he do this?

Andrew
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: X-Wing sim
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:54:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
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  The pictures in the X-wing Sim Slideshow are Deluxe Paint II files.  They
  can be viewed using CSHOW, and can be converted into darn near anything else
  using ALCHEMY (both of these programs are shareware and available on wustl.
  wuarchive.edu [and probably on your favourite FTP site, too]).
-- 
 --------------------------------- Iain Odlin ---------------------------------
                  10 Crosby Street, Level 3, Portland ME 04103
                                 odlin@reed.edu
 ------------------- Friends don't let friends drive Yugos. -------------------
From: cfortier@genghis.news (Chris Fortier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Zahn, Flint and LetterBox Info
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:45:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: genghis.CFORTIER.92Nov16084507
Organization: Borland International, Inc.

Over the weekend, I happened to find my way to a WaldenBooks, where I queried
a salesperson about new Star Wars novels.

"The Last Command", by Timothy Zahn is slated for a June 1993 release.  No
exact date was listed.

A new book by Ken Flint is to be introduced in December.  I believe the title
is "Legends Reborn."  In any case, there was no association of Star Wars in
the title.  Perhaps this book is not sanctioned by Lucas.  Can someone verify
this?

Finally, the VHS version of the LetterBox Star Wars Trilogy was released on
Thursday.  I got myself a copy for $97 (tax included).  The LetterBox format
is indeed superior to the Pan & Scan format.  If you have the opportunity, 
put these tapes through a home theater system.  It really is like being at the
movies.  I really wish more movies came in this format.  It is superior.

Basically, there are extra scenes that were not present in the P&S format and
there are enhancements to existing scenes, afforded by the LetterBox format.
The set includes "Star Wars", "The Empire Strikes Back", "Return of the Jedi",
"From Star Wars to Jedi; The making of a Saga", and a color book describing
the work Lucas put into making the trilogy.

Whether or not it's worth the $100, is up to you.  Today, I am inclined to say
yes.

Chris
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From: HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: Lucas:  director vs. producer
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:39:45 GMT
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In <1eas4nINNh4g@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU writes:

> In article <1992Nov16.124041.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> >In article <1992Nov16.003311.10675@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle) writes:
> >> In article <Yf1IQka00iV1I1ucZT@andrew.cmu.edu> rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen) writes:
> >>>
> >>>Wars films.  Who does anyone think would serve as an adequate director
> >>>for the prequel trilogy? 
> >> 
> >> Who wants to see Philip Noyce direct one of these?  I thought Patriot Games
> >> had the best direction of any movie I saw this year. 
> 
> >> Of course I'd be happy with Robert Zemeckis as well.
> >
> >No no no no no no!  "Who Framed Obi-Wan Kenobi"?!?  Please.  Zemeckis is good
> >at what he does, but I don't think that what he does is good for SW.
> >
> >I would like to see Peter Weir (WITNESS, DEAD POETS),
> >                    Renny Harlin (DIE HARD 2),
> >                    or the return of Irvin Kershner!!
> >		    How 'bout Frank Oz?
> >		    Heck -- I'd rather see Danny DiVito than Zemeckis!!!
> 
> 	I've got to agree on Zemeckis - he's great with light-hearted fantasy,
> but directing a serious movie, I don't know.
> 
> 	How about Nick Meyer (STAR TREK 2 & 6), at least for the first one?
> His ST movies were the best of the bunch, showing him to be good with the sf
> elements and (not unimportantly) one of the most important things he did in
> those is to bring back familiar characters the way we remember them while at
> the same time introducing new characters (Carol & David Marcus, Saavik, Chang,
> Valerus) who don't take a back seat.  The fact that he quite clearly enjoys
> doing space battles is a plus too :).  He'd probably be a good choice to get
> the first trilogy established on firm ground.
> 
> 							-Jay


	WHAT ABOUT SPIELBERG?!?!? ANY THOUGHTS?

-dave
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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: Topps Star Wars Cards (Was: Cute dinosaur scene cut from SW)
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:15:17 GMT

rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>Finally, just to start a thread, if you have made it this far in the
>post, how about writing what your favorite card is and why.  To 
>start it off, I like the picture in the fifth series (cannot
>remember the card number), which shows a group of stormtroopers on the
>Death Star and the lead one being blasted by Solo!  A nifty 
>scene if you ask me.

   My vote would have to go to the Ralph McQuarrie "Space Paintings" cards
from the ESB series (series 1, I believe).

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB
From: lccs1011@blurt.oswego.edu (Ray Warner (the 'skwish dude))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: STAR WARS MUSIC
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:08:34 GMT
Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <dsblack.722054207@vincent2.iastate.edu>, dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK) writes:
> In <1992Nov16.123217.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> 
>>In article <12NOV92162533@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>, dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper) writes:
>>>
>>> Actually the full Star Wars soundtrack is about 75 minutes long.  Since I 
>>> own two 76-minute CDs and know that 80-minute ones exist, it's fairly 
>>> obvious that the SW soundtrack COULD fit on one CD.  Why isn't it?  The two 
>>> possible reasons I've come up with: (a) there is some loss in sound quality 
>>> when putting that much music on one disc, or (b) the record company is 
>>> greedy and wanted the extra money from selling 2 CDs.  (This seems either 
>>> unlikely or downright stupid, since they're probably losing as much to the 
>>> people (like me) who refuse to pay for 2 CDs when it could fit on one.)
>>> 
>>> --Gallandro
>>> 
> 
>>You own two 76-minute CDs?!?
>>I've always (ALWAYS) heard that the maximum length of a CD recording was 
>>73min and some odd seconds.  (The story being that Sony folk decided on this
>>figure so that some particular Beethoven symphony would be able to fit!)
>>This is news to me, if true.  (I'm not questioning your honesty, I'm just
>>dumbfounded!)
> 
> Well, here are some I have:
> 
> Extreme            III Sides To Every Story       76:09
> Guns & Roses       Use Your Illusion I            76:04
> Guns & Roses       Use Your Illusion II           75:57
> RHC Peppers        Blood Sugar Sex Magik          73:55
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |    V I L K A T A     T . D . K .         ------dsblack@iastate.edu------    |
> |         If you know what my name refers to, email me!  I forgot!            |
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I guess that it must be the 80 minute limit, because I have a 79 minute
and some odd seconds CD- I think it's the soundtrack to the movie "The Doors",
or maybe my alternative music sampler, "Just Say Da".

just my 2 credits...

the 'skwish dude


"You want me to say it? I NEED you Q!" -Captain Jean-Luc Picard to Q, "Q Who"
"I find your lack of faith...disturbing." -Vader to Tagge "SW:ANH"
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Date: 22 Nov 1992 01:22:20 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Robert Alan Danforth <rd2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>the point.  Perhaps people do not realize the extent of the symbolism in
>>Star Wars.  Lucas even hired that mythology guy (his name escapes me)--he
>>did this on purpose.  Maybe people would be interesting in discuss some


>Was it Joseph Campbell?  I've heard that Joseph cambell wrote in some book (or
>was it the Bill Moyers interview?) that Star Wars is his favorite movie of all
>time, precisely because it's a conflict between myth and technology (and myth
>wins.)

Yep, that is he.  Lucas supposedly asked Campbell for some myth advice...

keith

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From: HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN)
Subject:  ATTENTION BOSTON AREA SW FANS!!!
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:48:54 GMT
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In <Bxs3Kt.BHq@nic.umass.edu> HDW@UCSVAX writes:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	I just heard from someone today that the Wang Center will be showing all
> three Star Wars movies sometime in January! Is that true? If you know any speci-
> fic details (i.e. time, when tickets are available...) please E-mail me. Thanx.
> 
>  	-Dave Walden, UMASS
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Mac Sounds on Archive now available
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:21:48
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: CT64@music.mus.polymtl.ca's message of 17 Nov 92 21:16:49 GMT

>>>>> On 17 Nov 92 21:16:49 GMT, CT64@music.mus.polymtl.ca (Nicolas Gauvin) said:

>The Mac sounds are now available in the directory MacSounds.
>

CT64> Are there any .WAV Starwars soundfiles for Windows on the site also?

The only ones I have are there, which someone sent me. If you make
them, I will put them on the site (providing I have the space :)
--
 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:45:36 EST
From: <LMS5@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Figures For Sale-SOLD

 Just want to thank everyone for their interest in the three figures I had for-
sale. A gentleman offered to buy all three and that was the easiest for me.
I will try and get around to personally replying to all of you who emailed me
with interest in the figures, but this week is busy.

Laurie
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From: alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy)
Subject: Re: Zahn Novels
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:24:03 GMT

	garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey) writes:
	martin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:

>>>  I STUMBLED on the second book after searching for a year.

>>  Really, guy. Chill. You should be thanking your lucky stars 
>>  that he's sending them out one per year! It's been probably close to
>>  FOUR years that I've been waiting for my next Katherine Kutrz Deryni
>>  novel to come out. Obviously you've never followed a series from the
>>  beginning before or you'd know better than to bitch about a mere
>>   year between books!

Ah, the life of a bibliophile.  I've been waiting three years for Jennifer
Roberson's next Cheysuli novel, three years for Glen Cook's last Black
Company book, and the record, a whopping SIX years for Jean M. Auel's fourth
Earth's Children book.

_Dark_Force_Rising_ came out about a year after the first.  Isn't that fast
enough for you?



-- 
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:09:56 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Letterbox VHS info

I held (ooh!) the box in my hand today at Sam Goody (couldn't do more than
that for a lack of $99  :( ) and according to the thingie on the back of the
box, the three movies are letterboxed and "the original theatrical releases"
(whatever that means!)

They looked very very *very* nice, and the packaging was sweet, I can't wait
till I next see $100...

Another random question (too lazy to make a new post): when is DFR coming out
in paperback?

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: X-Wing/Y-Wing Sim. Query
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:32:05 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

	About the X-Wing simulator...

	Did any one other than myself notice that in the slideshow, there
were no Y-Wings?  There were a few A-Wings, lots o' X-wings and Interceptors,
and a few TIEs.  But no Y-Wings.
	I kinda got the impression that Y-Wings were to be included in the
simulator.  Does anyone know? Who has read a review of the game or something?
And why didn't they do B-Wings?  Sure, they fly funny, but they'd be an
exciting addition.  Also, do you have the option of fly imperial fighters? 
Can you dogfight your friends via modem?

	Just s few inquiries to mull over...

	--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy :)


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CURRENTLY SEEKING:
			Figures: ANH Han Solo, Zuckuss, IG-88
			Micro Collection: Y-Wing
			Tall figures:  Boba Fett

Will pay or trade, opened/no box is preferrable, but I'll take new if ya
got 'em.  Any condition is fine as long as it's not broken (ie, no missing
limbs).  I'll pay more with accessories.
***************************************************************************
From: EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (Young Indy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Young Indy Cancelled
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:30:43 GMT
 <92326.175133GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <92326.175133GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>YES!!!  I couldn't be happier after hearing this great news!
>
>I watched a few episodes of this show last season but they were mostly very
>big yawners.  Any TV show has  an automatically limited budget and I am so
>glad that Lucas won't have to work under these restraints anymore.  He can
>go back to movies where the budget grows in proportion to the audience (and
>the
>Star Wars audience is *very* big!).  Lucas had said that he won't start

    Big yawners? Wow. I guess there just isn't an appreciation for a good
production or writing without CONSTANT mindless action and/or violence. I
think too many people were looking for prequel equal to the movies, when in
fact, Lucas wanted to take Indy to a new level. And from the looks of it,
most people didn't have the intelligence to achieve this appreciation.
    TV programs that make you think. Wow, who'd have thought. Well from the
looks of it, your average shmoe didn't. I, along with Lucas, agree that this
was the first Lucas project since Raiders that really was fun. HOPEFULLY this
project emotion carries over to the next Star Wars trilogy.

>working
>on the Star Wars films until he is done with Young Indy and now every Star
>Wars
>fan's prayers have been answered!!  Thank you ABC!!!
>                                      -------Eric Sansoni

   If 'Jedi' is any indication of how the next trilogy is gonna be, I'll
definately see it, but I won't be happy. I think if Marquand doesn't direct
it, we won't have this problem.

                                     -Ed

   ====================================================================
               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
     "Have we lost our balls, or do we just not care?"   -- Marillion
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From: flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas:  director vs. producer
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:33:11 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <Yf1IQka00iV1I1ucZT@andrew.cmu.edu> rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen) writes:
>
>Wars films.  Who does anyone think would serve as an adequate director
>for the prequel trilogy? 

Who wants to see Philip Noyce direct one of these?  I thought Patriot Games
had the best direction of any movie I saw this year. 

I think his style is just somber enough to let people know that a major 
devastating battle is going on and lots of people are getting killed.
Yet he invokes a sense of urgency and pulls you into the action.  

If the script could be written by whoever did TESB, then we'd really
have something riveting. 

Of course I'd be happy with Robert Zemeckis as well.

-Bill
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:21:15 -0500 
From: Joshua Jacob Prinsky <jp67+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: home alone
	<92326.130234EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <1992Nov21.085704.3458@sarah.albany.edu>, gm1116@albnyvms.bitnet
says:

I forget his name).  Yes, the movie was horrible, but the actor
>is very good, iin my opinion.  At least, I thought his charector in
>"My Girl" was played very well.(And I'm not ashamed to say I cried when
>he died)

Well, I never wasted my money on "My Girl" (because I'm saving up for
letterbox for VHS) but I'm sure I would have cheared on the bee that
finally killed that little brat in the end.
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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: LUKE & LEIA
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:29:19 GMT

>>Becaues Lucas didn't come up with the idea of Leia being Luke's
>>sister til he made Jedi.  	
>
>wggray> Not so, at least, not directly. If you recall in TESB, after
>wggray> Luke leaves Dagobah, Yoda and Ben are talking about "another" Jedi,
>wggray> "Yoda:There is another", so Leia is already being referred to as
>wggray> the other jedi, and thus Luke's sister (who else could be a Jedi
>wggray> in this series?).:-)
>wggray> --Wild Bill
>
>Sorry but i'm right. In "From Star Wars to Jedi", Lucas himself in an
>interview says, that during the light saber battle at the end of Jedi,
>he couldn't think of anything good enogh that would get Luke mad
>enough to attack Vader. That was when he came up with Leia to be
>Luke's sister. When Vader say he will turn Leia to the dark side, is
>when he looses it. Watch "From Star Wars to Jedi" some time.....
>

So why then does Yoda say that there is another?  Why does Leia sense
Luke's call to her from the bottom of Cloud City?   
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Subject: Re: LUKE & LEIA
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:41:59 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Yes that's right!  Lucas didn't just invent the relationship of Leia as Luke's
sister as a device to help the Luke/Vader duel work!  It would be silly to
make such a major adjustment in the Star Wars mythos because it made a decent
line!  My understanding of the interview is also that Lucas thought of that
line for the duel long after Leia was decided as Luke's sister.  I highly doubt
that the Skywalker family tree was written before the 1st film, but I will bet
that it was decided upon before the 2nd film was made.
                                                      -----Eric Sansoni