HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mucds@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Corey D. Stinson)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: CASSETTES-4-SALE! Metal/Heavy Metal/Thrash
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:37:33 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

I have these cassettes, all in good, perfectly playable condition.
Prices are as follows:

   Quantity:
   ---------
   1-9    3.00 each
   10-19  2.50 each
   20-30  2.00 each
   30+    let's talk :)

TERMS/CONDITIONS:
-----------------
  -All orders must be prepaid w/ cash, bank check, or money order.
  -Shipping is included in the above price as long as you are in the USA.
  -I can ship COD, but you will have to pay the COD fee.
  -If you want to ask a question about specific tape(s), feel free.
  -BMG tape club versions are cheaper, $1 less than above prices.
   (only if the BMG version does not have the inside sleeve info)
  -If you want a tape, and it has already been spoken for, I can put
   you on a list for that tape, if the buyer doesn't come through,
   I'll contact you.
  -Did I leave something out... email and ask me :)

Alice In Chains - Facelift
Annihilator - Never, Neverland
Anthrax - Among The Living
Anthrax - Armed & Dangerous
Anthrax - Attack of The Killer B's (not the edited version)
Anthrax - I'm The Man
Anthrax - Persistence Of Time
Anthrax - Spreading The Disease
Anthrax - State Of Euphoria
Bang Tango - Psycho Cafe
Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet
Death - Spiritual Healing
Death Angel - ACT III
Death Angel - Frolick Thru The Park
Dio - Lock Up The Wolves
Exodus - Fabulous Disaster
Exodus - Force Of Habit
Exodus - Impact Is Immenent
Flotsam & JetSam - Doomsday For The Deceiver
Flotsam & Jetsam - No Place For Disgrace
Flotsam & Jetsam - When The Storm Comes Down
House Of Lords
Hurricane - Over The Edge (BMG Club version)
Iron Maiden - Peice Of Mind
Kiss - Crazy Nights
Lita Ford - Lita
Loverboy - Wildside
MSG - Perfect Timing
Manowar - Fighting The World
Manowar - Kings Of Metal
Manowar - Sign Of The Hammer
Megadeth - Countdown to Extinction
Megadeth - Peace sells.. .who's buying.
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Megadeth - So far... so good... so what.
Metal Church - Blessing In Disguise
Metal Church - Metal Church
Metal Church - The Dark
Metal Church - The Human Factor
Metallica - And Justice For All
Metallica - Master Of Puppets
Metallica - Metallica
Mind Over Four - The Goddess 
Nuclear Assault - Handle w/ Care
Nuclear Assault - Out Of Order
Overkill - Years Of Decay
Prince - Purple Rain
Prong - Prove You Wrong
Scatterbrain - Scamboogery
Tangeir - Four Winds
Ted Nugent - Great Gonzos
Testament - Practice what you Preach
Testament - Souls of Black
Testament - The New Order
Testament - The Ritual
Vain (BMG Club version)
Vixen
Waysted - Say Your Prayers
Whitesnake - Whitesnake
Wrathchild America - 3D
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: New Gorguts
From: <WK60BUSW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 09:30:14 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

For those who don't know, the new Gorguts cd came out on tuesday in most places
and I was lucky enough to find it used that very day.  I have been busy and
have not had the chance I would have liked to listen to it enough to get a good
solid review together, but from what I have heard it is EXCELLENT.  General
formula death metal without the satanic preoccupation that most seem to have,
but it is performed extremely well and seems to me to be worth the money to go
out and get if you like good death.

normy norm
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Wehrmacht
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:17:48 GMT
Distribution: alt.thrash
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Wehrmaht.

A friend of mine (lives in Moscow now) taped me 2 albums of WEHRMAHT:
BIERMACHT and SHARK ATTACK

I dunno how to discribe the music.Well vocal is high, like dude from
Vio-Lence.Guitar is very thrashing.But fuck drummer works exactly like dude
from Napalm Death, he even puts more grind in it.I can't really call it
GRINDCORE cuz of high vox, but instrumental parts are just identical to 
HARMONY CORRUPTION... Anyone else has heard of these guys?
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: Sore Throat
Originator: tphailey@c00091-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:53:19 GMT


In article <1993Jan21.151930.7903@cs.tulane.edu>, gene@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (eugene hopstetter) writes:
> Hmmm, interesting. The cut on the _Grindcore_ CD is rockin', but not as good
> as, say the Ruins or Naked City or the Boredoms, but it seemed like they
> could be pretty good along those lines on album. Is the LP straight grindcore,
> or is it stoopid-fast-cutup-pain jazz stuff? And no, I'm not a Mr. Bungle fan.
> I want to hear the real dope. Patton's a pussy. I met him, and it's true.
> Anyway...

They sound nothing like Japcore on the record I have. It's all boring 30
second songs that I can live without. The record itself has like 50 some 
songs on it, which I would normally consider a plus (I'm into the 
BLLLLEEEAAARRRRGGHHH records put out by Slap A Ham if anyone knows about
them - 7"s with like 49 bands, 64 songs, great stuff), but the Sore Throat 
stuff just lacks something. I dunno, it's just all so boring. It's along
the lines of straight grindcore, but has no power in my eyes. Maybe I should
go back and listen again, but every time I do I dislike it more.
 
> Now Anal Cunt, that's a band I need to know more about. What have they got
> out? I've heard of a crazyfucking sounding 7" floating around, but have
> never been able to get my hands on it. Got any label info handy? Do tell,
> do tell. Fill me in on 7 Minutes of Nausea, too.
 
Anal Cunt and 7 Minutes of Nausea are just two of the pure noise for the sake
of noise bands around today. Anal Cunt usually don't even name their songs. 
& minutes of Nausea are from Austrailia and might be hard to find. Some other
bands like this include the Meatshits and , well, I can only think of them 
off hand, but I know there are others. Labels? Well, I have heard them all on 
the previously mentioned BLLLLEEEAAARRRRGGHHH comps (there's two out:
BLLLLEEEAAARRRRGGHHH & Son of BLLLLEEEAAARRRRGGHHH - both singe your
butthairs at 50 paces), but I know they all have 7"s or demos or whatever
out. Most of them have ridiculous numbers of songs. I think Anal Cunt did
a 5643 song 7" (recorded on a 16 track one track at a time and then all 
overdubbed I believe the story goes). If you find any of it, it might be 
worth checking out if you're just a little masochistic. Fun stuff for the
whole family. If you ever find out about a label called Ax/ction Records 
(I've posted the address to this list a number of times), they sell a lot
of this stuff.

TOMASS
From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Busy March/April
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:41:44 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <C1EwoF.DMt@cs.vu.nl> jfmburg@cs.vu.nl (JFM Burg) writes:
>Philip Kime (philkime@aifh.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Flotsam and Jetsam - `Cuatro'
>
>You don't have to wait for the new F&J (which I think is called Quatro),
>because it is already available. I've got it, and I don't think it's their
>best, but it is still good.

   It is actually "Cuatro", as originally spelled.  I'm looking forward to
a more thorough review of the album (anyone?  anyone? ;)  From what I have
heard (two songs, the titles of both of which I have forgotten), they are
even more mainstream-oriented than their last album, WTSCD.  Both songs had
good parts, but were weak overall.  Part of my dislike stems from the fact
that the vocals are too sing-songy, melodious, and "pretty".  They just 
don't work for the music.  Eager to hear other opinions.
   Later!
-- 
Ernest M. Crvich                       Pressure building inside your head 
crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu               Compression pushing to the red 
general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                Limbs are numb, control is lost 
Blacksburg, Virginia                   Bag of blood is about to bust
From: philkime@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Philip Kime)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Busy March/April
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:02:55 GMT
Reply-To: philkime@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Philip Kime)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland


It looks like March/April will be a busy time for new DM releases. Due out are:

Suffocation -- untitiled as yet
Death -------- `Individual Thought Patterns' (due to record in March/April)
Disincarnate - `Dreams of the Carrion Kind' (on RoadRacer)
Entombed ----- untitiled as yet
Dismember ---- Can't remember title

plus other non-DM's to watch for:

Type-O-Negative -- `Bloody Kisses'
Flotsam and Jetsam - `Cuatro'

Any reviews much appreciated .....


					P.
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon Konrath)
Subject: Re: Busy March/April
Organization: No organization. No life. Just emacs.
	<C1F7tL.LB4@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:26:39 GMT


World Management just mailed me last week and said Morbid Angel is 
recording their new one and it souinds like it will be out real real
real real soon.....

New Desultory is supposed to be out either by the end of the month or
early next month.  a low run of promo copies went out, less than 100

New Sepultura is not much more than a rumor.  New Cynic?  Did they 
ever record?

-j
--
Jon Konrath, emacs protege | jkonrath@indiana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: chuckr@bnr.ca (Buster Castelloe P015)
Subject: Re: Sore Throat
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:46:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.172359.28202@cs.tulane.edu>, gene@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (eugene hopstetter) writes:
|> 
|> Anybody know what Confessor are up to?
|> 
Yeah.
They are here in Raleigh writing songs for their next album. Scott is going to
be guest DJ on WKNC-local station today(I think it's today). Cary (sp?) is 
playing in a band with a couple of ex-band/roommates of mine while Confessor
is waiting to go into the studio. They don't have a name yet so any suggestions
will be considered. Sort of sound like Alice in Chains i.e. moody and heavy
although much less so than Confessor.

the chuckr

Buster only owns this account, the chuckr uses it.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:55:38 EST
From: Thomas G. Hopkins <TH5733A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: eyehategod

eyehategod were mentioned in an earlier article as having a new album out.
is this a new album or just a re-release of the "In the Name of Suffering"
album. they are from my hometown, are good live about 50% of the time, and
the singer is a jerk. anyway, is there a new album? oh and p.s., i don't want
any shitheads posting me back about that jerk comment ok?
From: weilj@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Joe R. Weil)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Fudge Tunnel
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:58:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I saw Fudge Tunnel's "Hate Songs in E minor" used in a record store and
was curious as to what they sound like before I bought the disc. For
some reason I remember someone thinking this was a bad disc. Any 
comments. Also does anyone know anything about Cadaver or Carnage?
Thanks
j. weil
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: DEICIDE discography request
Originator: tphailey@c00734-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:22:10 GMT


In article <C19DIq.DFy@newcastle.ac.uk>, S.E.Rigden@newcastle.ac.uk (SER) writes:
>  The other day I realised I had no Deicide in my collection, so I went out and
> bought "Legion" which I presume is their newest.
>  Anyway, this band is excellent (musically, rather than lyrically) and I admire
> their relentless musical brutality and refusal to compromise and slow down.
>  But to get to the point - could anyone give me a list of their releases,
> highlighting which ones you reccommend.
> 
>  - S 

   The only other release that I know is out is just their self-titled 
album, which I like better than "Legion", but I think I'm probably alone
in this opinion. They are, however, releasing their demos from when they 
were called Amon. The LP will be called "Amon - Feasting of the Beast" I 
think. Anyway, it may already be out. No stores around here stock death 
metal anymore so it kinda sucks. 

TOMASS
From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Best of 1992 Poll
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:41:50 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


	Since no one else did it this year, I thought I'd conduct a
Best of '92 poll.  Send me your top 10 metal albums of 1992 (mail,
don't post, please) -- I will summarize in a week or two.


-- 
Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu
From: mossman@dipso.Berkeley.EDU (Amy Mossman)
Newsgroups: alt.skate
Subject: Kucihii and Wedland??
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:35:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CEA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dipso.cea.berkeley.edu

I was looking over the standings for the Pairs at the Nationals and
notcied that Jenny Meno and Todd Sand are now skating togther. Does
anybody know what happened to Natasha Kucichii (former partner of
Todd Sand and my fave US pair) and Scott Wedland (former partner
of Jenny Meno)? In the what happened to category, I also wondered
if Chris Bowman is still skating. Last I heard he had dumped
Toller Cranston (or was it the other way around) and was back in
California. I really enjoyed his skating when he paying attention
to it. I would give him my vote as the most sad waste of a great
talent. Sort of the John MacEnroe of Skating but more tempermental.

Amy Mossman
Newsgroups: alt.skate
From:  (JC)
Subject: Re: Kucihii and Wedland??
Followup-To: alt.skate
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:14:47 GMT

In article <1jpi99$3c3@agate.berkeley.edu>, mossman@dipso.Berkeley.EDU (Amy
Mossman) wrote:
> 
> I was looking over the standings for the Pairs at the Nationals and
> notcied that Jenny Meno and Todd Sand are now skating togther. Does
> anybody know what happened to Natasha Kucichii (former partner of
> Todd Sand and my fave US pair) and Scott Wedland (former partner
> of Jenny Meno)? In the what happened to category, I also wondered
==============================================================================
  I don't know about Natasha Kuchichii, but Scott Wedland is teaching out
in Costa Mesa, CA (Ice Capades). He hasn't found a new partner. Word has it
he and Jenny couldn't get along. My friend is taking privates from him and
says he's a great coach. (Reasonable rates, too).
                                 -- John Coggi
===============================================================================
> if Chris Bowman is still skating. Last I heard he had dumped
> Toller Cranston (or was it the other way around) and was back in
> California. I really enjoyed his skating when he paying attention
> to it. I would give him my vote as the most sad waste of a great
> talent. Sort of the John MacEnroe of Skating but more tempermental.
> 
> Amy Mossman
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
From: gregm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com.mcm.hp.com (Greg Millett)
Subject: test
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:35:26 GMT

this is a test.
From: aa794@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pete Nofel)
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
Subject: Mystery Literature SIG now open
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:54:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa794@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pete Nofel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   For those of you who are able to port into different bulletin board
systems (or if you are able to dial in), I, and my assistant sysops, have
started a SIG for those interested in the mystery genre.
   The SIG offers print and visual media reviews by users, discussion of
different types of mysteries (hardboiled, tea cozy, puzzle, locked room),
news about forthcoming books and films, advice on how to get your writing
into print, and a critique area so authors can post works for what we hope
is constructive criticism.
   We're located on the Cleveland Freenet system. From the main menu, type
"go arts" (w/o the quotes), then select #12.
   For dial-ins, the number is 216/368-3888. Enter as a visitor and follow
the directions in the previous 'graph.
-- 
Pete Nofel, aa794, primary sysop
It's a Mystery - The Mystery Literature Group
Cleveland Freenet, Cleveland Ohio
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
From: gwd@unislc.uucp (Greg Davis)
Subject: Pulp paperback reprints for sale
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:56:40 GMT

Pulp and related paperbacks for sale, only $1.50 each.
Postage in US: $.25 for each book, minimum $1.

Avallone, Michael - The Girl from U.N.C.L.E., The Birds of a Feather Affair
Blish, James - Earthman, Come Home (Avon 1955)
Buchen, John - Prester John (first published 1910)
Conklin, Groff (ed.) - The Science Fiction Galaxy (Perma 1950)
Grant, Maxwell - Shadow #19:  Zemba (orig. 1935)
Howard, Robert E. - Marchers of Valhalla
	The Sword Woman
Lovecraft, H. P. - The Tomb
MacDonald, George - The Golden Key
Marshall, Edison - The Lost Land (orig. 1935)
Mundy, Talbot - Jimgrim (orig. 1931)
	OM: The Secret of Ahbor Valley (orig. 1924)
Robeson, Kenneth - Doc Savage #44, The Sea Magician (orig. 1934)
Shrias, Wilmar H. - Children of the Atom
Taine, John - The Greatest Adventure (ACE D-473) (first published 1929)
Verne, Jules - The City in the Sahara (book 2 of The Barsoe Mission, 1905)
Von Harbou, Thea - Metropolis (ACE F-246, first published 1927)
Wallace, Robert - Phantom Detective #1:  The Vampire Murders (orig. 1940)
-- 
Gregory W. Davis
UNISYS Corporation, MS: B1C05 |  Internet: gwd@unislc.slc.unisys.com
322 North 2200 West           |  UUCP: ...!{sun, uunet}!unislc!gwd
Salt Lake City, UT 84116      |  Voice: (801) 594-5410
From: vossdavi@student.msu.edu (Daniel (best friend of Lisa Ann))
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Help!  I SEE THINGS!
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:32:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.divination
Organization: Etherial dwellers Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 35.8.24.227


                 
                 Hi! I have this problem. I see things. All the time,
twenty four hours a day(just like MTV, only more entertaining). I am told
that I see into the etherial. Therefore I can see these dots. Its like I
can see the molecules of the air. Or maybe better described as patterns of
energy. It enables me to perceive auras and gives me the oh so interesting
ability to see spirits. At least I think they are spirits. They are a
silvery white transparent  ameba shapes things that wander aimlessly about.
They don't really scare me but I'd like to know what they are and what
exactly they are called. I also can see ghosts. Its not like it is in the
movies, they are a hole in the etherial field. Its as though I can perceive
only the entity's aura. I can feel how powerful the entity is and whether
its positive or negative. I call them entities because it is apparent that
they have intellect. They also seem to really enjoy making there already
known presence even more known(i.e. lights going off and on, cold drafts,
objects disappearing and reappearing someplace else). Lisa Ann and I have
looked but never found any reference that discussed what it is that I can
"psychically" do. If I encounter an entity that entity can even become
involved in my dreams. The spirits, as I call them, are a day to day,
matter of fact part of my life. I have always been able to see these things
and I'm sure I always will. But my problem is I can find no material that
gives me any information about the etherial and the things I perceive. In
one text the closest I got was a "ghost seer" which basically said one who
sees ghosts. Medium seems to be an outdated word in the States and it seems
to be the old term for channelers here as well. The English medium is so
general in the texts I've read that anyone showing psychic ability pretty
much falls into that title. It is frightnening at times, because I feel
vulnerable to the spirits I see. I do have an instinctual knowledge on how
to protect myself and such but it would be nice if I could receive
information on this personal phenonmenon. Any information ANYONE has or any
idea anyone has would be tremendously appreciated!!! By the way I'm
borrowing Lisa Ann's account so she will pass on any e-mail or any posted
notes or I might just get my butt in here to see the responses myself.
                                 
                               Etherially Yours,
                                   Daniel
 
Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:979 soc.history:10948
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: High-Tech Vitamins
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:38:57 GMT

In article <C15M4H.3KK@cscns.com> mavihoja@cscns.com (Michael D. Beatty) writes:
>Greetings All:
>     Do you remember about a month and a helf ago, when some clumsy, 
>from time to time doing the same things for my fitness.  Well, like 
>most frequent exercise enthusiasts, for whatever reason, I simply 

and on, and on, and on

>     So, I dove into a more academic mode and opened up the books tther a part time of full time business upon.
>Please contact me if you you would like to try them, or hear more 
>about the potential business possibilities.
>Or, to simply discuss the chemistry!
>
>        Thanks for being there......           Michael Beatty
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Think I`m gonna hurl...
Huuurppphhh

Now *that* makes me feel better.


Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor                  DoD #981                 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
Deceleration Trauma - hitting the ground after jumping off Canary Wharf.
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
From: sestina@thing.East.Sun.COM (Mike Sestina - Sun BOS Hardware)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: PrimAmerica
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:07:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sestina@thing.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thing.east.sun.com



	hi:

	I am looking for feed back on this mlm type of financial services
	company.  If this has been discussed before please dorect me to 
	the FAQ or archives.

	thanx
From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: keep dreaming boys ....
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:09:44 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpfcgf.sde.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

John Maki (jmaki@ra.cs.umb.edu) wrote:
: Keep on dreaming boys.................................................

I intend to.  It's working pretty well so far, and beats the hell out of
pissing and moaning -- or poking fun at people who are working to
improve themselves.

: It's funny with all the "full time mlm'ers" that read this newsgroup,
: that NO ONE is making the BIG MONEY supposedly attainable to anyone who
: follows "THE PLAN".

As I explained in my reply, we've only been working effectively for about
6 months.  As such I don't find it at all surprising that we're not rich yet.
(Especially since we're hardly "full time" -- I'd say my wife and I each
put in an average of 10-20 hrs per week on our business.)  I also explained 
we're within a very few months of the $50k/yr range, and that our sponsors
(low-key unassuming folks) are expected to earn roughly $250k this year.  
They had a head start on us.

Laugh if you like.  See what it accomplishes for you.  I see a pretty 
rosy future, and NOT far away.

Gary

(I just saw a great quote this morning:  
  "What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking that by his laughter
   he shows superiority instead of latent idiocy."  M. Corelli)