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From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UX-Men #292
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:25:34 GMT
	<63607@hydra.gatech.EDU><1992Jul17.194351.13588@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
	<92202.124608ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia

In article <92202.124608ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:

: Speaking of that issue, has anybody read the comments from the editors in
: the letters page? They replied to one letter saying that the "other" that
: Xavier sensed in Jean Grey was none other than Madelyne Pryor. So that should
: end any debates about whether it was Emma Frost.

Letters pages are _not_ gospel, they have been known to be wrong. The
are written (normally) by the editor, who is _not_ the writer.
Basically, until you see it in the pages of your favourite mag, it
hasn't happened.

: I feel that they made a mistake in
: being ambiguous about Gambit being Lebeau "The Witness". Considering that
: Bishop was trained by this witness after the betrayal and knew him well, how
: could he not recognize a younger version of Lebeau in X-men #8?

Where's the ambiguity. It seems perfectly clear to me. Gambit survived
the "Death of the X-Men" and is Bishop's time is known as "The
Witness". In any case, Bishop's timeline is now an alternate timeline,
not the Real Thing, Jubilee _isn't_ the last X Man etc... so anything
that Gambit may or may not have done in Bishop's timeline is kind of
academic. Situations may have been _very_ different.

: Speaking of Bishop, did he ever meet Wolverine? That would be interesting...

Well, if Wolverine is about 60ish now (I think I read that somewhere,
but don't quote me, it's probably out of date) then he should still be
around in about 70 years. However, if he was still one of the X Men,
then there's no way Bishop would have met him, 'cos all the X Men are
dead.

	- Robi
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Jack Elmo Society Black Book)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE MESSAGES - DO NOT POST THEM HERE!
Organization: Okefenokee Glee and Purloo Union
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:23:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <c6hmhcd@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Jack Elmo Society Black Book) writes:
> 
>> If I recall netiquette right (and I'm a comparative newbie),
>> rec.arts.comics is open to all comics-related messages, including
>> forsale notices (albeit not for cars :-), until it's rmgrouped, at least
>> since the creation of rac.misc. 
> 
> You remember wrong -- r.a.c.marketplace predates the current reorganization.
> *All* comic-related forsale messages belong there and nowhere else.

	Yeah, but rac.misc is on the same level as rac.marketplace and rac is
an umbrella over it all.  The creation of rac.misc left rac charterless, in a
sense.  Accordingly, I was led to believe (as part of the arguments presented 
in the renaming of both rec.games.frp and rec.arts.comics) that the renaming 
was a Good Thing because it would prevent ambiguity of just the sort we're 
discussing.
	In any case, rac is a zombie and will vanish in a couple of months, so
a little patience won't hurt.  I still send short e-mail notes to people who
post 4sale to rac.misc.
-- 
"You know, Chel, it seems kind of funny/Texas always seemed so big.
But you know you're in the biggest state in the union
When you anchored down in Anchorage."
--Michelle Shocked

elmo (morrow@fnal.fnal.gov,morrow@physics.rice.edu)
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: No more Terminator @ DH
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:30:12 GMT

dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.172547.5479@eskimo.celestial.com> ntprlr@eskimo.celestial.com (NightProwler) writes:
> >
> 
> 	I don't know about this one.  There are different artists working on
> each of the Terminator limited series.  They were Chris Warner, Paul Gulacy,
> Vince Giorrano (sp?), Bill Jaaska, and Jackson Guice on the last DH Terminator
> series.  With the exception of Chris Warner, all the other artists have 
> worked for DC in the past, in fact Giorrano is doing a 2 issues of Aquaman,
> and Guice is the regular artist on one of the Superman books.  So what gives?

Chris Warner did a short run on Batmn several years ago, so all the
above artists have worked for DC...
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:55:04 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul22.164801.5740@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.042508.25400@gdwest.gd.com>, good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good) writes:
>> 
>> While I'm on the subject, I have to say that at least one good thing came
>> out of the Crisis that (at least so far) has been permanent: scaling back
>> Superman's powers.  

Byrne et.al. did that post-Criso.

>        Speaking of rectcons (Crisis or otherwise) how are explainations for
>recharacterizatins like Shade the Changing Man, Animal Man, and others

Easy answer:  they aren't.  Shade is only loosely based on Ditko's stories
and Suicide Squid is ignored (and will get them in the end :*).  His origin
retains some of Ditko's elements, but how and why he got to earth is radically
different.

Animal Man is the same guy, but his "secret origin" has become something of a
parlor game, he's had a half-dozen or so in the current series, but none of
them have ignored the original "Buddy meets spaceship while hunting" altogether
(a pity, that).  Of course, T-Veitch's will be the definitive origin (NOT!)
I can't wait for him to get yanked off of A-Man, Rick obviously got all the
talent.  Delano will probably have a new origin for him, once he brings him
from the dead.

>.  Also, what's the story on the 
>Levitz/Bynre pocket universe thing with the Legion?  Was there a Superboy, or
>not?  The Legion says there was, but where does he fit in?

I'm not touchin' this one.  If this isn't in the FAQ, it should be. 

I hope this was helpful, I tend to read costume books that don't interact
with the rest of DC "Universe" so I don't have to worry about such things,
but these particular two guys I've kept up with.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
............................................................
"Kill the Rat!  It's a direct presidential order!"
   --- Rick Veitch
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:34:39 GMT

In article <76335@ut-emx.uucp> danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:
>DC
>Colossal Boy: Jo Nah was revealed to be Jewish around the time 

Um, that's Gim Allon. Jo Nah is Ultra Boy. Curiously enough, his Jewishness
was revealed in a comic titled "Christmas With The Super-Heroes".

>Marvel
>Magneto: I know that the reason he wants mutants to rule the world
>   was the result of his experiences in the Holocaust and that 
>   Professor X met him in Israel. However, has Marvel ever said that
>   he was Jewish? His kids, Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch, aren't

Nope, Magneto has never been stated as being Jewish, and there is good
reason to think that he's of gypsy stock, another group persecuted during
the Holocaust. Inconclusive at best.

Two Marvel characters you don't mention are Kitty Pryde (Shadowcat) who's
been Jewish since her inception, and Doc Samson who had his background
revealed in an issue of Hulk where he goes toe to toe with a convent full
of nuns.

Also from Marvel, Sabra is Jewish and Israeli, as is Achilles from the
Pantheon. 

From DC, the latest incarnation of Ragman was very definitely Jewish.
Also, Dust Devil from the Blasters and his mother were Israeli and Jewish.
Curiously enough, it appears that Peter David is responsible for about
half of the explicitly Jewish characters in comics. Wonder if Atlantis
will turn out to be the lost tribe? :-)

"In the old days, it was not called the Holiday Season; the Christians called
it "Christmas" and went to church; the Jews called it "Hanukka" and went to
synagogue; the atheists went to parties and drank. People passing each other on
the street would say "Merry Christmas!" or "Happy Hanukka!" or (to the
atheists) "Look out for the wall!"" --Dave Barry
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Reality Gem.
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:28:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bs3xr7.MF9
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <Bs3rDJ.JnA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Victor VonDoom) writes:
>In article <jim.2a754746-l@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
>
>>The Beyonder/MM "fusion" is now a being called Kosmic, which appears
>>to be a female version of Kubik (who, along with the Shaper, is also
>>an "evolved" Cosmic Cube)
>>-- 
>
>Where did you read this? I haven't seen anything about these guys in
>a few years, but the guy I saw in the (I think) Quasar issue looked
>a lot like the Beyonder, and he had this scruffy looking guy next to him
>who looked a lot like MM. I think they were standing in a circle 
>talking to a bunch of the cosmic big-shots...
>
In one of the backup stories to an Annual a few years back (probably Fantastic
Four), Volcana(the main squeeze of MM) begins to notice her once cursed powers
are becoming really useful.  Not only could she turn into "Human" form,
something MM allowed her to do, before he was merged with the Beyonder, but
now she could become a "cool" rocky Volcana, and then a sandlike Volcana.  Forms
kept popping up, until suddenly MM popped out.  He explained that when he
realized he had to go, he didn't want her to suffer at all, so he invested
a modicum (just bigger than a smidgen) of his power into her.  That was enough
to pop MM out, and they ran off together, happily.  Or something like that.
Anyway, he's out, so I can't see why the Beyonder shouldn't be. 


-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Everything But Love tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Oh God, does this mean we have to fight?"
			-Selina Kyle, _Batman_ 
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From: good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Crisis Inconsistencies (WAS: Re: The Problem with the GL yellow weakness)
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:44:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.

In article <1992Jul20.190947.18628@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.150204.27430@nmsu.edu>, bgrubb@nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>> 
[...]
>> 
>> This brings up the question of how "yellow" does an object 
>> have to be for the ring not to affect it?
>
>True.  I wrote a LONG letter to DC complaining about this, among other things,
>when they revamped GL post-crisis.  No reply yet. . .
>

Speaking of the Crisis...  I was recently sorting through my comics and took
a look at my copies of Crisis and skimmed through it.  Something kind of 
interesting I stumbled on was on the third page from the end of issue 12.
I showed (quite plainly) the new (female) Wildcat holding a newspaper.
The headline:
	"'Green Arrow' Among Dead"

I guess DC thought they were getting rid of just another lame superhero, at
least until Mike Grell showed 'em he could be interesting.  I guess DC just
conveniently decided to ignore the fact that he was supposed to be dead once
they thought they could make some more money off of him...

-- 
David Good                                               good@gdwest.gd.com

                 This space intentionally left blank.
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From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: RUMOR: GRIMJACK: DC: Is GrimJack coming back in 1993? (SPOILERS??)
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:38:48 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hey folks.

I went to see Neil Gaiman today in Boston (that's another story) and
a friendly soul who said he was friends with Flint Henry filled me in
on the current state of GrimJack.  He said that he recently talked with
Flint (and Ostrander in January) and the state is that GrimJack was sold
to DC and will be published by them (written by Ostrander, not under the
comic authority label (i.e. like Sandman), probably with a painted cover
(like Doom Patrol)).  Flint will most likely *not* be working on it,
as he is currently doing stuff for Epic (I don't know if his problems
with working for First and getting paid factored into this).

Anyway, the story will most likely punt the three graphic novels that
were worked on for First and start fresh (hopefully continuing the storyline).
GrimJack won't be part of the DC universe but since it's in Cynosure, you
never know who'll show up.  And, because of the nature of Cynosure, readers
might get a look at Pre-Crisis characters who are dead in the DC universe
(because anyone from anywhere can end up in Cynosure).

The current plan is to publish GrimJack in Spring 1993.

And now, some answers to the current storyline, or what might have happened
if GrimJack had been continued.  This is just theory, and might be a minor
spoiler, but since it may never be published anyway, who cares?

Some lines for everyone:
























Ok.  Supposedly, to finish up the Twilley story we were going to see
Twilley go to Hell and free his family who are all down there;
Michael, Robert, Babs, his dad.  It seems there's some kind of war in
Hell going on and he has to stop it.  After that, in the Twin
storyline, we'd have some issues devoted to finding out which of the
twins has the GrimJack soul....

For some addition rumors, Truman will supposedly be working on a few issues
here and there in the future.

NOTE: I hate rumors, as they're usually not true, so take this with a grain
of salt.

--dave
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:49:49 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...

In article <Bs27H1.HGv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor
Zero) says:
>I have the sneaking suspicion that the Gem was given to the Good Half of Adam
>  Warlock (no, I don't like this Good Half/Bad Half mumbo-jumbo either), and
>  at the very last second, right when Captain America, the last of Earth's

Well, we've seen the Magus, Warlock's evil side.  Have we ever seen what
Warlock's good side may be?  Any guesses, or will this be completely new?
And what about Her?  Granted, she doesn't have an Infinity Gem (or does
she?) but she is Warlock's counterpart (recently seen in Quasar!).

---
Ernie 'SHOKK' Oporto - EAO102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU OPORTO@CORVETTE.ECE.PSU.EDU
Computer Lab Attendant for the Penn State Center for Academic Computing
"Do or do not.  There is no try."
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Quasar (was Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:28:00 GMT

Not only has the Black Fleet arrived, but IMHO, the StarBrand is back in 
action!  I'd put a spoiler warning, but I think that it's pretty obvious to 
those actually following the title.
     I've lost count of how many plotlines left dangling by other writers 
_Quasar_ has resoloved.  It's even tied up Machine Man (series 1) plots!  The 
Stranger's planet alone answered countless "Where are they now" 
questions...except one:  if Gargoyle was on the planet, what happened to 
Sundragon?
     Dave Van Domelen, loves the reuse of obscure characters in She-Hulk and 
Quasar...it makes me feel vindicated for bothering to read OHOTMU.
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From: kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thomas S. Marlowe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Crisis = uncreative writers
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:38:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>Actually, it was an inhabitant of another dimension (Quarrm) which began to
>become a double of Supes. The post-Crisis version of this storyline is due
>out soon, done by Walt Simonson as a Special (was to be an annual of a few 
>years ago, but stuff happened).


That's what really bothers me about all of this post-crisis shit. 
Rather than being creative, they are rehashing all of the old story
stuff and trying to pack an exciting twist in them.  Bah!  Humbug!
I really don't want to see another story explaining how a new
guy who resembles one of Supes old foes suddenly crops up and turns
to a life of crime.  Can't anyone be creative and create a new
villain that can take a place in Supes' Rogues Gallery Hall of Fame
and isn't wiped out immediately by the big Red Cheese?
--
"Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice, and that when
they fail to do this they become dangerously structured dams that block
the flow of social progress." -  Martin Luther King, Jr
------------------>Thomas.S.Marlowe@Dartmouth.edu<-----------------------
From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:06:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:

>The Crime Syndicate of Earth III was a major villian group IMHO.
>They could have retconed them being from another Earth/Dimension
>but they killed them off and did it well.

Oops...guess you haven't seen the latest issue of Justice League
Quarterly.  



The Crime Syndicate has been retconned into being from the anti-matter
universe of Qward (sp?), but they're still dead.



-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."
From: everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Everett Kaser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Conan queries
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:32:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA


 kautz@research.att.com (Henry Kautz) writes...
>Anyone have a list of all the Conan books with artwork by Barry Smith?


Not that I'm of the mind to sell at the moment, but does anyone have any
idea what the first 60 or so issues of Conan would sell for?  (Including, of
course, the entire Barry Smith run) all issues in very good condition
or better.


** Everett Kaser                   Hewlett-Packard Company
** ...hplabs!hp-pcd!everett        work: (503) 750-3569   Corvallis, Oregon
** everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com        "Today is a good day for change."
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Swapthing/Alan Moore
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:22:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


(Sung to the tune of Wild Thing...)


SwapThing...
	You own everything...
SwapThing...
	You sell everything...

SwapThing...
	I think I owe you.... But I WANNA KNOW FOR SURE....

(Sorry... this is bad.)

Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Graphic Novels and comics for Sale
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:19:42 GMT

In article <UeR6HMC00WBLI5dUxC@andrew.cmu.edu> "David M. Bartlett" <db0s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>There are approximately 200-300 posts every day to R.A.C.  I wish I had
>time to read each one closely, but I'm employed at a full-time job and
>have a family.  As it stands, it is not unusual for so many posts to

Etc etc etc.

i.    It is stupid to use UseNet without learning about it first.
ii.   Part of this learning process includes learning about FAQs and where
      they can be found.  (I believe the appropriate message in this case
      is a "Welcome to r.a.c." kind of thing, but whatever)
iii.  The Rec.arts.comics FAQ makes it clear than for-sale messages are
      NOT to be posted on r.a.c.

Hence, there is NO excuse for posting for-sale messages on r.a.c.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
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From: yin@spidey.EBay.Sun.COM (Yinpo Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Meet James "Scotty" Doohan / Convention Update
Date: 24 Jul 1992 21:43:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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