HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre,alt.stupidity
Subject: Your horoscope for today
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:43:05 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

Beware believing in bullshit like astrology, unless you are a taurus.
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: This whole Lot thing ...
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:18:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.193011.1@fnalno.fnal.gov>, holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes: 
> We generally call someone who pulls stunts like this a sadist.
> 

In general, yes; in this case, no.
 
> Of course, the story is myth, not history.  Nor is it shown that other
> approaches wouldn't have worked.

If you visit Sodom some day you'll find a bunch of ruins.  It certainly lends
creadance to this "myth."
--Ray Cote
From: kingston@verbis.waisman.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: RE: Prostitution as a cure for rape
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:39:11 GMT
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison

from what I see on t.v., those prostitutes look "very" consenting.  They
damn well are consenting to fornication.  Whether they do it for
drugs, money, they are consenting.  HOWEVER, are pimps still in existance?

peanut
peanut
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: What about date rape? (was: Prostitution as a cure...)
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:37:07 GMT

dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>The people invloved may have been on a date or at a party, or may even 
>be having a steady relationship. They end up in a private place and may 
>even be engaging in non-sexual romantic activity.

This is not an objection to Mr Zabetakis's article since I am quoting this out
of context, but rather a comment about the treatment of "date rape" I've seen
on this newsgroup in general over the years.

I'm worried that people here often take the above kind of description as a
characterization of "date rape" (but this wasn't clearly the case in the quoted
article, but it happens here a lot, in general).  I don't have any statistics
or careful observations to back me up, but I get the impression from newspapers
and other mass media that the term "date rape" is often used quite differently.
If a woman and a man are socializing with no sexual overtones whatever and then
he rapes her, the newspaper might call it "date rape".  If a man approaches a
woman he doesn't know at a party, she tells him to get lost, and then later he
attacks her in an alley, the newspaper might call it "date rape".  If a woman
and a man have a class together at university but have never spoken to each
other and then he attacks her in the parking lot, the newspaper might call it
"date rape".

Not only do I get the impression that the majority of date rapes involve
grievous violence before the rape, but also that the majority of date rapes
have nothing to do with dating and are just the media's way of trivializing the
situation, with no basis in fact.

regards,
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From: root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Sysadmin. Thomas Hollunder)
Subject: How to PREVENT a rape!
Reply-To: root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Technische Universitaet Wien
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:21:24 GMT

 I think the most important way to prevent a rape is if a womans
body-language tells everyone :"Don't even think of it!"

 If a woman walks the streets very self-confident, knowing she could defend
herself, then it doesn't matter wether she wears high heels and a mini-skirt
or is all wrapped-up like a muslim woman. Almost every woman I know
has had some nasty experience with men following them in the streets at
night or masturbating while looking at them in an almost empty subway wagon.
(Fortunately none of them had been actually raped so far, but those other
forms of sexual offense are psycho terror and can be very hurting to sensitive
woman )

 But I do know as well a dozen or so women who have a black belt in a
asian self-defense technique and ever since they knew themselfes to be able
to give any agressor a hard time, those nasty experiences have stopped
completely.

 They walk different, they look different somehow, which obviously scares
off any weiredo.


-- 


                          Thomas Hollunder  root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
        Institute of Programming Languages  Phone: +43 222 58801 4476
           University of Technology Vienna         +43 663 81 87 79
Argentinierstr. 8/13, 1040 Vienna, Austria  Fax:   +43 222 505 78 38
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Prostitution as a cure for rape
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:13:44 GMT
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Originator: shulick@navajo


If prostitution were legal in every state in USA, do you suppose the rapes
committed would drop drastically?  Most rapes occur because of sexual
deprivation, and thus aggression builds up, etc.  So if sex could be purchased
in every state, wouldn't rape level drop?  And I don't think the abuse of
prostitutes would be a problem, if the area was posted with guards, or the
prostitutes had some sort of defense.  What do you think?  I'm just damned sick
of the rape around here (Bloomington, IN).  It's really getting to people
around here.  "STOP RAPE" is written all over sidewalks on campus, and "DEAD
MEN DON'T RAPE."  It's a serious, damaging thing, and I think people would go
to almost any measure to stop it.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "The direction of the eye, so misleading.  The defection
shulick@indiana.edu | of the soul, nauseously quick."  --Pearl Jam
(NeXTmail welcome)  | 
Newsgroups: talk.rape,alt.folklore.urban
From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: Possible UL alert(was Re: Videotaping rapes)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:07:49 GMT

rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu  writes:
> In article <qm0nvdc.barry@netcom.com> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep25.041618.4869@engage.pko.dec.com> nancyb@os2lan.enet.dec.com (nancy b.) writes:
> >>
> >>          Tonight I attended a lecture and slide show by sociologist Dr.
> >>          Gail Dines on images of violence against women in the media.
> >>
> >>	[...]
> >>
> >>          One example she gave was a new form of video porn playing off of
> >>          the rape theme.   Women are forced into vans where they are
> >>          raped.  The rape is videotaped.  The videotape is sold for
> >>          profit.
> >
> >	Yeah, right. Sheesh.
> Sounds like a reincarnation of the snuff film UL to me.
> 
> Anyone actually SEEN one of these films.
> -Ekr
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S)              rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
> Former chemist now CM400 mechanic                 ekr@eitech.com(preferred)
>    "Base 8 is just like base 10, really...if you're missing two fingers."

	Someone wrote a trade paperback, about five years ago, about snuff 
films.  I have never seen one where I was aware that it was happening.

	Torsten at Omaha

Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Catharine MacKinnon, Playboy and feminist propaganda
Followup-To: talk.rape
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:36:37 GMT

In article <718485198@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
>#I think Playboy *does* portray women just as sex objects (interview responses
>#notwithstanding), and I'm sure it is offensive, 

Oh yes!  _Playboy_ kidnaps women and makes them all pose nude.  No, the women
pose on their own volition.  If they want to do this, let them.  I think
_Playboy_ is rather nice, because they have TASTE.  _Penthouse_ and other
magazines are somewhat disgusting, IMO.  But _Playboy_ is fine, so how is it
offensive?  Are you saying the nude body is offensive?  I hope not, because
that's probably the most natural thing in existence, and our f_cked up society
labels it "rated R," but that's a different story.

P.S.: _Playgirl_ portrays men as sex objects.  What's your point?

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "The direction of the eye, so misleading.  The defection
shulick@indiana.edu | of the soul, nauseously quick."  --Pearl Jam
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: How to stop a rape
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:41:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.080926.27015@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cochrane@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jim Cochrane) writes:
>Sorry if this topic has been discussed before (is there a faq for this
>group?), but I've never heard anything about how a bystander can stop
>a rape that is in progress.  I'm sure that, just as it is for a victim,
>there is no one correct way for a bystander to successfully stop a rape.

Well, there are many things you can do while they're "bugging" their victim.
Kick them in the head a few times.  This seems to work. (assuming they're on
the ground)
Break something over the back of his head.
Be creative.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "F_ck George Bush!!"  --About half the U.S. population
shulick@indiana.edu |
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
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From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: This whole Lot thing ...
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:29:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalno.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct9.101859.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, cotera@woods.ulowell.edu 
writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.193011.1@fnalno.fnal.gov>, holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes: 
>> We generally call someone who pulls stunts like this a sadist.
>> 
> 
> In general, yes; in this case, no.

This is clearly a difference of opinion.

>> Of course, the story is myth, not history.  Nor is it shown that other
>> approaches wouldn't have worked.
> 
> If you visit Sodom some day you'll find a bunch of ruins.  It certainly lends
> creadance to this "myth."

The ruins where Sodom was lends credence to the fact that there was once a city
there.  There are ruins where Carthage once was, as well as Pompei, and
numerous settlements in North and South America.  Their mere existence would
not lend credence to someone's claim that they were destroyed as Sodom is said
to have been.

-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
                                     | Speak the Word.
Disclaimer:  Fermilab's far too large to have an opinion, let alone mine.
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: sheehan@pagosa.scd.ucar.edu (Tim Sheehan)
Subject: RE: Prostitution as a cure for rape
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:35:12 GMT

In article <12OCT92.15391139@verbis.waisman.wisc.edu>, kingston@verbis.waisman.wisc.edu writes:
> from what I see on t.v., those prostitutes look "very" consenting.  They
> damn well are consenting to fornication.  Whether they do it for
> drugs, money, they are consenting.  HOWEVER, are pimps still in existance?
> 
> peanut
> peanut

Which brings up the point: don't believe everything you see on t.v.

Many prostitutes - male and female - are runaways who ran away from
an abusive situations at home, only to find that turning tricks is
the only way they can survive and keep one step ahead of their
family and the authorities that would return them to that family.

And yes, pimps are alive and well and as ruthless as ever. Why would
you think they have disappeared?

If prostitution were legalized and regulated, perhaps it would cut
down on the exploitation of those who are trapped into prostitution by
circumstances.

Another approach that would help minors not to get into prostitution 
in the first place would be to guarantee anyone under the age of 18
a safe place to live, and a healthy environment in which to learn 
and grow. Many social service agencies, along with the courts, have 
the idea that growing up in one's genetic family is more important
than growing up in a safe environment that doesn't pose the risk of
abuse.


-- 
-Tim-

sheehan@ncar.ucar.edu
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Prostitution as a cure for rape
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.094333.5298@leland.Stanford.EDU>  writes:
>In article <BvqMMx.Fq0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>
>>If prostitution were legal in every state in USA, do you suppose the rapes
>>committed would drop drastically?  Most rapes occur because of sexual
>>deprivation, and thus aggression builds up, etc.  So if sex could be purchased
>>in every state, wouldn't rape level drop?
>
>At the risk of spoiling your innocence, I'll tell you that sex can
>indeed be purchased in every state.  
>
>And no, I don't think rape levels would drop because rape has very
>little to do with sexual deprivation and much to do with power and
>violence.

Legalizing prostitution would only lower rape, then, if rape were "prostitution."
Selling rape? Would they go for it? And who in the world would want to sell them-
selves to be raped?!?!? Kinda like eating children during a famine, huh.
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: Prostitution as a cure for rape
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:26:09 GMT
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In article <Bvs55s.1qn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu 
(Sam Hulick) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.201910.1903@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric 
Middlecamp) writes:
> Prostitutes are not being raped, they're consenting.

I have known many (some ex-)prostitutes who would dispute this claim.  Many of
them were turning tricks to keep from being killed by their pimp, or to get
drugs.  They weren't terribly consenting.

-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
                                     | Speak the Word.
Disclaimer:  Fermilab's far too large to have an opinion, let alone mine.
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Prostitution as a cure for rape
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:41:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.094333.5298@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>At the risk of spoiling your innocence, I'll tell you that sex can
>indeed be purchased in every state.  

Wrong.  It's illegal here in Indiana.

>And no, I don't think rape levels would drop because rape has very
>little to do with sexual deprivation and much to do with power and
>violence.

Duhhh.  Rape IS violence.  Someone doesn't rape because they want to be
violent.  A guy doesn't think "Oh boy, I want to have some power, so I'll go
rape."  Think about it.  The rapist is hornier than all hell, and wants to
satisfy urges QUICK, so he rapes.  I've talked with victims of rape and a few
rapists (unfortunately).

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "The direction of the eye, so misleading.  The defection
shulick@indiana.edu | of the soul, nauseously quick."  --Pearl Jam
(NeXTmail welcome)  | 
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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: How to stop a rape
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 02:57:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.080926.27015@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cochrane@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jim Cochrane) writes:
>
>I can think of a few things just from common sense, such as, don't rush
>the attacker (unless, perhaps, you really know what you are doing),
>especially if you see that he has a weapon; yelling "fire!" (not "help");
>probably carrying some mace around would be a good idea.  It seems that
>at least a small number of rapes and muggings could be stopped if more
>people had some awareness of how to deal with these crimes.  I would bet
>that sometimes people do nothing to stop it because they don't know what
>to do.

I strongly suggest that in states where the government has not decided to
lower criminals business risks by restricting carry permits that women 
buy a 9mm or other handgun, learn to use it, and get a concealed weapons
permit. 


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Prostitution as a cure for rape
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:03:06 GMT

In article <12OCT92.15391139@verbis.waisman.wisc.edu> kingston@verbis.waisman.wisc.edu writes:
>from what I see on t.v., those prostitutes look "very" consenting.  They
>damn well are consenting to fornication.  Whether they do it for
>drugs, money, they are consenting.  HOWEVER, are pimps still in existance?

Yes, pimps still exist. And prostitution doesn't seem to have any effect
on rape levels at all. Portland, Oregon, is a wide open town. Most of
Union Avenue, Much of 82nd, a large part of SW 4th, and Sandy Blvd. 
have streetwalkers on them 24 hours a day. There is still a lot of rape
going on. In some areas it is not safe for women to wait for buses since
the pimps or the hookers will attack them since they assume anyone entering
their turf is competition.

Interesting point: pimps often rape girls in order to turn them out, but
that's another story.
 
Nadja  
-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: How to stop a rape
Keywords: kill, death, dismemberment
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:33:05 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <john.26@bnr.ca> john@bnr.ca (John Ledford) writes:
>
>Karate is also an excellent way to learn to defend yourself, or in this case,
>stop someone else. In my karate class about 1/3 of the people there are 
>women learning self defense. There are also other great benefits in karate. 
>If you are interested, then you should call around to the local dojo's (
>schools) and talk to the sensei (teacher) about what good it will do you.

This is sort of migrating from stopping a rape in progress to protecting
yourself from rape, but I feel obligated to include a slight disclaimer.
There are good dojos and there are many more BAD dojos.  A poor "women's
defense" class can instill a dangerously false sense of security that's
worse than nothing at all.  In about 8 or so years, I've met only a handful
of women who could adequately disable or kill a large, angry man, and
these are women who spend years studying their art.  IMHO, the ideal 
situation would be to join a hard-core class in order to build discipline,
confidence, and above all, a fierce aggressiveness.  Then to complement
the attitude, buy a gun (at least 9mm), splurge on some Glaser ammo,
learn how to shoot it, how to carry it, and how to draw it fast.  I'd
recommend this to any man, as well.

Attitude counts for alot.  Many women would like to carry a gun, but
openly admit that they couldn't pull the trigger on an assailant...big
mistake!  You're better off getting raped than having your gun taken from
you and then raped.  If you're not going to use it, leave it at home.

Mace, BTW, strikes me as a great way to REALLY piss someone off.

-- 
Sean P. Ormond
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Bill Clinton '92 - "Read my lips: NEW TAXES"
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: What about date rape? (was: Prostitution as a cure...)
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:53:23 GMT
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.

In article <1992Oct7.094333.5298@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>In article <BvqMMx.Fq0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>
>And no, I don't think rape levels would drop because rape has very
>little to do with sexual deprivation and much to do with power and
>violence.
>
   What about date rape?
   Let's say that prostitution was not only availible, but safe from
disease (as legal pros. is), and convenient. Would this then lead to a
detectable decrease in date rape?
   In at least some of the date rape cases I hAve heard of, it seems that
the situation was one where the attacker very much desired sexual activity,
but consent was not forthcoming. It seems to me that these cases could be
subject to interference by the proximity of prostitution.

   BTW, the cure for sexual deprivation is masturbation. In societies where
masturbation is forbidden, I can well imagine there would be a link between
prostitution and rape. The problem is that I don't think there has ever been
a successful ban on masturbation, only an imposition of guilt.

DanZ

-- 
    "I think it is a little premature to attribute the failures of American
     foriegn policy to Carl Kadie."
                                                     -Mike Godwin
This article for entertainment purposes only.
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: This whole Lot thing ...
Keywords: Luke14:26, blessed are those who HATE for they make great HATE mongers
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:11:01 GMT
	<1992Oct5.162018.18849@netcom.com> 
	<1992Oct05.202930.16751@brtph560.bnr.ca>
Followup-To: alt.evil
Organization: Luke14:26, the smoking gun of xtianity

In article <1992Oct05.202930.16751@brtph560.bnr.ca> 
kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:
>Well I quess you didn't get the point.  This is not a lesson in morality
>here.  It's a question of obedience.  Is it moral to offer your daughters to
>a crowd of horny degenerates?  Of course not!  Is it moral to trust God and
>obey him?  Absolutely. 

Immorality in the name of Jesus, what a concept!

>Let's look at an even more extreme example.
>In Genesis God tells Abraham to offer up his son Isaac as a sacrifice.  Now
>God had already promised that Isaac would be the father of a great nation that
>would someday produce the Messiah.
>Jeff, I got a news flash for ya.  God sacrificed His son for you.  He sent Him
>to a hideous, shameful and agonizing death as payment for the crimes that YOU
>have committed. Even though He was innocent and didn't deserve to be punished,
>He spent 3 days in hell to atone for YOUR sins. Think about it man.  If I were
>you I'd check myself out just in case this Christianity thing is for real.

What a crack up! You need to check out talk.religion.misc and get you some
knowledge! At least you could learn about Pascal's Wager! Take your HATE
mongering elsewhere, maybe alt.evil?
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