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From: marco@soda.berkeley.edu (Marco Nicosia)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Washing lettuce?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:48:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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Summary: Okay to leave inner leaves un-washed?

Hello there,

	I've got a pretty basic question:

I've been laboriously washing every leaf off of every head of lettuce
that I get from the supermarket. However, I'm pretty sure that my mom
merely washes the outside couple of leaves and assumes that the inner
leaves are clean.

Is this a good assumption? Do, in fact, sprayed chemicals and whatnot
NOT get onto lettuce beyond the outer leaves?

Or should I keep on washing washing washing...

-- 

____________________From the console of:____________________
Marco E. Nicosia        marco@berkeley.edu
marco@soda.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley
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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Good references/articles about veg diet & protein?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:39:10 GMT

In article <kmd.725740058@medisg> kmd@medisg.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Dammann) writes:
>Does anyone have suggestions for good articles  regarding protein?  I want
>to put together a packet of information for a concerned mother-in-law who is
>also a nurse (so medical resources would be great).  
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Kathleen
>

Katleen-

	Best, most modern, scientifically documented books on veg nutrition
you can get are:

1. Vegan Nutrition

2.  Diet For A New America, by John Robbins

3. The Mcdougall Program or The McDougall Plan, By Dr. Jhon Mcdougall

All are available through the Vegetarian Times.  The first is the best, sorry
I cant remember the author.  Good luck

Steve

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From: kmd@medisg.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Dammann)
Subject: Good references/articles about veg diet & protein?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:27:38 GMT

Does anyone have suggestions for good articles  regarding protein?  I want
to put together a packet of information for a concerned mother-in-law who is
also a nurse (so medical resources would be great).  

Thanks in advance,
Kathleen

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From: shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:47:26 GMT

In article <altar.725663360@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
>
>Nancy Lebovitz writes:
>
>>How do cats seem to feel about vegetarian cat food? Are they about as
>>finicky about it as they are about meat-based cat food? Do they show
>>any strong preference for one or the other?
>
>Cats, like people, can and do develop habitual fixations for
>certain cat foods, even to the point of only eating one
>specific kind of catfood of a particular brand.  With persistent
>patience, however, cats will learn to broaden their tastes preferences 
>or switch over to a different catfood.

I was over at the vet's this weekend and he mentioned, in the
context of our discussion of my collie's special diet for his
portal-systemic shunt, that dogs were usually quite obliging 
about eating what they were given but that he had seen cats
starve themselves to (or near to) death when faced with new or
non-preferred food.

He said that even when the cat really needed, for medical reasons,
the disliked food, that it was sometimes necessary to abandon all
attempts to change foods.  

As he put it, there's nothing you can do with a really stubborn
cat except give in.

Sounds like you got a reasonable cat!

-- 
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR  shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: comments and questions
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:21:47 GMT


Jill A. Johnson writes:

>About vegetarian cats, Is that really healthy for a cat? Some creatures were
>probably "made" or "built"  to eat meat.  Can you imagine a lion eating beans?
>I'm just trying to debate whether or not that's healthy. Maybe it's ok.  I've
>never know a cat who didn't like meat. :)

Yes, in fact not only can I imagine a lion eating beans, there is
the documented case of "Little Tyke", the pet lion in
Washington State, who when alive back in the 1940-50'ss refused to
eat flesh.  Yes, actually refused to eat it!  Here is the story
as told by Barbara Lynn Peden in her book, DOGS & CATS GO
VEGETARIAN, 1988.  Robbins also mentions Little Tyke in his
book, DIET FOR NEW AMERICA.

									Holiday Cheers,

                                              ted
    
    Little Tyke made the news for her refusal to eat flesh.
    Her home town in Washington State became famous for a
    while as her story was told on radio and television, and
    in newspapers and magazines around the world.  An
    extraordinarily gentle animal, she lived peacefully at
    Hidden Velley Ranch with many berbivores, some of whom,
    like the lamb named Becky, were her special friends.
    . . .
    As lions go, little Tyke was not only exceptional, she
    whas also exceptionally healthy.  In fact, one of the
    country's most skilled zoo curators pronounced her the
    "best of her species" he had ever seen!  But scientists
    repeatedly told Tyke's "parents," Georges and Margaret
    Westbeau, that it was not possible for a lion to survive
    without eating flesh.
    
    Concern for their beloved pet prompted them to offer
    $1,000 in cash to anyone whoj could come up with a food
    containing flesh which Little Tyke would accept!
    Needless to say, many formulas were tried . . . but
    nothing worked.  She could usually detect its presence,
    and would simply reject the food.  If it was so well
    disguised that she ate the stuff, she'd immediately
    throw it up.
    
    So, although they had worked out a diet Tyke loved --
    cooked grains mixed with raw milk and eggs, from the
    ranch -- the Wesbeaus worried about her.
    . . . in addition to eating the food Margaret made for
    her, Little Tyke did spend about an hour every day out
    in the fields, grazing.
    
    Tyke's live appearance on the TV show "You Asked For It"
    in 1955 was probably the greatest factor in bringing her
    unusual diet to the attention of people all over the
    country.
    ...
    Little Tyke was admittedly an unusual case -- especially
    as it is the females in a pride of lions that do most of
    the hunting -- but she does prove that customarily
    carnivorous creatures can be satisfied with -- or even
    prefer -- a vegetarian diet"
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    


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From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism or fanaticism
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:49:30 GMT

I have to agree with something that you just said: the comment re
carrots.  I know MANY people who will give me long lectures on
the "right" way to cook or prepare things, and afterwards I will
find myself walking away shaking my head, because not only didn't
I understand what the people were talking about, it sounded like THEY
didn't either!

Take miso, for example.  If I had a nickel for every time I heard 
"Don't boil it, it destroys the enzymes" I'd be rich.

WHAT enzymes? What do they do? How can I COOK with the damn stuff
(like lots of cookbooks that SHOULD know better say to do) without
bringing it to boiling temperature!!!
 
I've asked several times here on the net, for example, and no one has
EVER replied to it, thus leading me to believe that no one knows.  
 
*SIGH*

I still don't boil it, on the off chance that this rumor started
with someone who knew what she was talking about.

Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
This is my very first sig.file

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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: comments and questions
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:03:47 GMT


Jill A. Johnson writes:

>I've been reading this newsgroup now for about a week and I must
say there's
>some intersting things being brought up.

Welcome to the newsgroup Jill!  Yes, I too think this is an
interesting newsgroup where an interesting and fine bunch of good
folk are generous with their time posting their best thoughts
about vegetarianism, their  best vegetarian recipes, and their
tried and tested helpful hints  :-)


>To whoever posted that Christ was a vegetarian, I don't think
this is anything
>we'll ever know.

I posted one of the messages on this issue, and yes, we'll
probably never know for sure.


> I'm also not sure how it pertains to life as a christian. I
>don't recall reading anything about how people shouldn't eat
meat in bible. I
>guess I'm just trying to say that I find it difficult to believe
that being
>a vegetarian would make one a better christian. Enough of
that...I don't
>really care to argue about the subject, I just wanted to get my
2 cents worth
>in. :)

You might also take a look at Andrew Linzey's book, "Christianity
and the Rights of Animals" and Lewis Regenstein's scholarly book,
"Replenish the Earth: A history of Organized Religion's Treatment
of Animals and Nature--Including the Bible's Message of
Conservation and Kindness toward Animals.

I'm not a Christian myself, but I do find the question
interesting and the recent scholarship on this issue thoughtful.
Remember, many Christian groups from the time of Christ have
practiced vegetarianism.  The Seventh Day Adventists maybe being
the most well known in the U.S.  And within mainstream Christian
groups, and even Jewish groups, there exists among them all at
least some minority opinion held by respected members who would
forward the merits of vegetarianism being the more consistent
practice with their moral principles.

For me, it is more important what people *do* than what they say
or believe.  I really don't know how the compassionate or ethical
individual, who is loath to see people and animals suffer, can
rationally preclude as part of their caring, the simple and most
available act of becoming a vegetarian.

                                Holiday Cheers,

                                    ted
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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Lecithin is vegan
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:04:57 GMT

abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:

>In the 1952 edition of the Encycl of Chem Tech, Vol. 8, there are
>several pages on lecithin.

>Lecithin is glycerol combined with two fatty acid radicals,
>phosphoric acid and choline.

>Today (in 1952) the lecithin is comes mostly from soybeans. Small
>amounts from corn, peanuts and rapeseed. Egg lecithin is extremely
>expensive and is used for pharmaceutical purposes and in mayonnaise.

>Lecithin is extracted from soyabeans by solvent extraction using a
>solvent like n-hexane. It is subsequently bleached or double bleached.

>Most of the lecithin goes into margarine.

>With regards,

Thanks Abhay for digging up a definitive source on this question.

I was worried about the lecithin granules or syrup that one can
buy for cooking, and I phone up the supplier of two of the brands we
have here in Vancouver and found that indeed it is extracted from
soyabeans.

Thanks again,

				ted
From: jmleaph@pbhye.PacBell.COM (James M. Leaphart)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Kosher slaughter (was Re: Medicine & the Mall)
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:15:23 GMT
Reply-To: jmleaph@PacBell.COM (James M. Leaphart)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <9212211400.AA10764@hrt213.brooks.af.mil> tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:
>On 19 Dec 92 22:03:48 GMT, tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) said:
>
> T>      The fact that a razor-sharp knife is used hardly guarntees a
> T> painless death.
>
>	Ever have a paper cut, cut yourself by running your fingers
>lengthwise across a razor, or open your fingers with a *very* sharp
>knife?  I have (particularly the last one) and can attest that, given a
>sharp enough blade, you *don't feel a thing* for quite awhile or until
>you disturb the wound.
>
>	Done correctly, the animals are unconcious withinone or two
>seconds.  They feel no pain.
>
>-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
>"Try it sometime.  ;)"

	Consider this:  The animals are forced into a chute.  They can not
	go foward nor backward.  The eyes look for any escape route.  Those
	in front hear the crys of their brothers and sisters.  There is no 
	escape.  The body wants to fight or flee, it can not.  The smell 
	of blood everywhere.  Fear is cursing through the veins.

	One or two seconds prior to death is nothing compared to the long
	march in the chute.

-- 
James Mark Leaphart
uucp={ihnp4,lll-crg,ames,pyramid}!pacbell!pbdbss!jmleaph
voice=510 823-2351
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From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Subject: Re: Comfort foods for colds
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:32:06 GMT

> Deb Schwartz writes:
>
> Happy New Year, everyone.  I'm celebrating by having a whopping cold.
> So, does anyone have a good vegetarian equivalent for Mom's chicken
> soup?  Also, what do y'all like to eat when you're feeling rotten?


When I have a cold, I dice 2 cloves of garlic, and use them as sandwich
filling.  Mmmm!  You have to be a garlic fan for this one, but it really does
seem to help get rid of colds.

Garlic soup would probably also be good - a great substitute for chicken
noodle soup!  Or you could put garlic on pasta, or add lots to whatever
you're having for dinner, or inject it straight into your veins...;)

Hope you'll be feeling better by the time you read this, Deb.  Happy New Year
to you, too!

...Christine

--

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From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: VEGAN:  long haired gourmet goes nuts for NYE
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 21:51:44 GMT

Well, I wanted to report that my chocolate pudding made with soy milk
never got eaten.  My fiance won't let me throw it out until I TASTE it,
but I'm stilll too afraid to.
 
And it never congealed, or pudded, or whatever the proper word is.
So I have Jello brand chocolate SOUP in my refridgerator.  Maybe it'll
grow fuzz and THEN he'll let me toss it? <hopeful look>

Clover
 
P.S. Yes! Please... Did I hear someone offer me a vegan pudding recipe??
Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
This is my very first sig.file
From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Kosher slaughter (was Re: Medicine & the Mall)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 14:49:18 -0500
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
Distribution: world
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In article <altar.724958876@sfu.ca>, altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
|> Tim Miller writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >	Ever have a paper cut, cut yourself by running your fingers
|> >lengthwise across a razor, or open your fingers with a *very* sharp
|> >knife?  I have (particularly the last one) and can attest that, given a
|> >sharp enough blade, you *don't feel a thing* for quite awhile or until
|> >you disturb the wound.
|> 
|> Maybe so, but what about the profound distress of the poor
|> creature as it is shipped and herded into the abattoir?  The
|> smells of distress and death are something non-hman animals
|> are more sensitive to and reactive of, than humans.  The
|> intelligence and sentience of these beings has all too often
|> been self-servingly dismissed.  Russel, who kepts a "pet" herd
|> of cows can give ample witness concerning their remarkable capacities
|> and intelligence.  Russel, are you still there?  Help us out.

I am most sensitive to your concerns (indeed, I too am a vegetarian),
but your comments address all slaughter; please keep in mind that the
subject at hand is Kosher vs.  non-Kosher slaughter.  The point made
above is that the act of slaughter itself is painless, being done by a
single swift cut with a razor-sharp knife.  Far better than a bullet
or three to the head.  There is no doubt, of course, that the cows
would be far better off were they not to be killed---that is not
disputed by anyone.

-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520			
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From: leecr@microsoft.com (Lee Crocker)
Subject: Re: Vegetarians or not vegetarians?
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:20:27 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

>In article <1992Dec22.182045.24659@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>
>>Also, your argument that Lee fails to counter specific assertions in
>>your own posts is without merit...

Actually, I think that's a fair criticism.  I tend to be overly
sensitive about dogma having been raised by Southern Baptist love-
thy-neighbor-unless-he's-black Mississippi Rednecks, so I instinctively
cringe when people talk about "right" and "wrong" to justify their
positions instead of using solid facts.

I don't really have access to any more scientific information than
anyone else here, so I can't contribute much more than personal
experiences, recipes, restaurant recommendations, and such, but I
do think that debunking specific pieces of nonsense serves a purpose.
As Ted suggests, though, I should be more specific than I am.

-- 
Lee Daniel Crocker    | Free minds; free bodies; free trade.
leecr@microsoft.com   | Libertarian Party  1-800-682-1776
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From: swami1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (swaminathan,kashi r)
Subject: Re: Limited vegetarianism of India
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 13:55:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.082723.7685@abo.fi> abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
>Since I am an Indian, guilty of all that I wrote below at some time in
>the past, here is an admission of that guilt :
>
>>Mahatma Gandhi is the antithesis of Indian thought today.
>
>I tend to consider myself a follower of Mahatma Gandhi to some extent.
>Ethics is important to me.
>
>>Indians did not seem to mind the  use of leather at all, and  non-food
>>use of animal products  was quite acceptable. There was also paramount
>>ignorance and ignoring.  People  did  not  know what was  contained in
>>various food and non-food  products,  and  even  when ingredients were
>>written on food products, people never seemed to read them. 
>>
>>With regards,
>>
>>Abhay
>

  Have you visited the museum where they have saved the room where
Mahatma Gandhi spent his last days? The most important relic of his
that I vividly remember is the leather sandals he used regularly. 

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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 09:29:39 PST

>After that, still being hungry (with
4 cats begging, who's surprised???) I munched some cashews.  Only
one wanted the nuts, but I suspect that was more from them all being
STUFFED on my dinner!!!<

My Dogs love cashews. I went to Jimbo's Natural before the Holidays to
stock up for festivities and picked up several pounds of cashews. I had to
make another stop and when I came out my dogs, who had been in my camper
shell, cleaned me out of cashews. They had poker face on and denied any
guilt, but the nut crumbs on their muzzles told the story.
-----
Lee Dronick
ProLine: leed@pro-harold
Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: "Better Than Milk?" question.
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:40:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.122944.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11jsutton@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>What I'd like to know is:  Is this product vegan?  Does anyone know?  (The
>ingredient list says "maltodextrin, soy oil, calcium carbonate, dehydrated
>tofu, sodium caseinate, sea salt, natural flavor, cyanocobalamin (vitamin
>B12)", but this list doesn't say much about if it's vegan or not!)

Sodium caseinate is a milk derivative.  PLUS, ingredients are listed in
order of their amount--this stuff has more carbohydrate, oil and chalk
than it does tofu!  I can't imagine that it's better for you than soymilk.
Given your concerns (and the general synthetic brew this appears to be)
I'd stick to conventional soymilk products.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: mad4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Maddex)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Organic Foods "Non-essential"???
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:06:40 GMT
Reply-To: mad4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Pranksters for Peace

All considerations of eco-ethics and people's desire not to ingest poison 
aside, the fact is organic foods taste better.  The best restaurants all
at least prefer organic, and the very best, like Chez Panisse in Berkeley,
Charlie Trotter's in Chicago and the Quilted Giraffe in NY use only organic.
You'd be hard pressed to find a gourmet chef who couldn't tell the difference
and who didn't prefer organic.  The Journal of Gastronomy had a symposium on
sustainable agriculture a few years back that got reissued as Our Sustainable
Table which has a lot of material worth checking out.

Happy New Year
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: The Christian Argument for Vegetarianism
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:43:39 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <0NRcwB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) writes:
>Wow, now that was comedy at its best, My friends and I laugh for a hour
>on that, please do a follow-up!! 
>Well, I'm taking my friend hunting tommorrow (I don't hunt.. I enjoy 
>the outdoors, He hunts... he also enjoys the outdoors), I also like 
>moose meat and deer meat (My friend so far this year has got 6 deer
>and 2 moose).
>BTW We are Christians (Not the bleeding heart liberal type):)

And a sorry advertisement for christianity you are too ... 
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