HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: petitc@nuge104.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Fuck You
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:18:10 GMT

In article <715829069.0.p00056@mail.psi.net>, "Faustus" <p00056@mail.psi.net> writes:

|> Cower? Why dont you get your priorities corrected.. The idea of individual
|> rights may not be infringed! If we allow them to be disavowed for this 
|> and that... They are weakened in all cases! The adult Non-Georgie Bush
|> reaction is to allow people to THINK about whats being said, not walk up and
|> put your fingers in their ears. Get a life you fascist bastard, and allow
|> the wise or stupid to make their thoughts known..

  I agree with what you're saying, but, unfortunately, 52% of America is of the
opinion that morality should be enforced by the government. We have a lot of
people in this country NOW, in 1992, who feel it is right to prevent certain
things from being said on the basis of "morality" (forgetting that God gave us
free will).

|> Because you simpering jerk, no one of any intelligence firstly believes this
|> message was sent by the owner the sig. Secondly, I wouldnt turn anyone into
|> the government for what they "say". Maybe we should chip in for a time machine
|> to 1930 Germany, for you.. 

  Or, we could send him to some out-of-the-way town in the USA.  Or, to
Iraq, or to...

-- 
Trust:  A very precious social commodity, due both to high value and terrible
scarcity.
MATWDTM:  Mothers Against Teenagers Who Drink Too Much (failed name for MADD)
From: gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Definition:  Nice guys.
Date: 15 Sep 1992 07:41:01 GMT
Reply-To: gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

In article <1992Sep14.172655.18879@umr.edu>, bolsen@cs.umr.edu (Brian Olsen) writes:
>
>I hope this hasn't already been discussed, but I'm wondering if a definition
>from a "nice guy" has been established.
>
I thought every guy reading this group was a nice guy.  At least, we haven't
heard from any self-defined jerks.  Really now;  is there a guy in this world
that doesn't think he's nice?  I've never met a guy that didn't think he was
nice.  Is there a lone voice in the wilderness, willing to admit that, well,
maybe he (gasp!) _isn't_ nice?
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Subject: Re: Romantic Songs Discussion list
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 8 Sep 1992 23:45:21 EDT

> Hey, nice idea ... I was thinking of the same thing, but I didn't want to
> start the tangential thread, but I'm willing to contribute.

You want a LJBF song?   MY favorite (which I've actually used  ... sung
softly to myself ... when a couple of guys who dumped me HARD tried to
come back)

Dark and the Rolling Sea -- Al Stewart.

(AND, the album it's on has just been released to compact disk in the
last few weeks.  Look for MODERN TIMES.)
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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: petitc@nuge104.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Nice Guys vs. Nice Girls
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:52:59 GMT


 In your opinion, do Nice Guys have it harder than Nice Girls in this culture?

 I'd think so---if a girl is that nice, it's at least "expected," but if a guy
is nice, it is contrary to the "macho guy" crap we've all been fed, so the
Nice Girl may be shy and not too outgoing, but she isn't stigmitized as a result,
whereas a Nice Guy is stigmitized (sp?) and immediately stereotyped as a Nice
Guy (tm).  In other words:  (this is the stereotype, as I see it)

  A Nice Guy is:  a doormat, a shoulder to cry on, more concerned for others than
he is for himself, willing to do anything for a friend, not good as a romantic
partner

-- 
Trust:  A very precious social commodity, due both to high value and terrible
scarcity.
MATWDTM:  Mothers Against Teenagers Who Drink Too Much (failed name for MADD)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Woman dating separated man -- advice desired
From: dayrton@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:08:34 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University



> kmargelot@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>> and suggest she keep at least partial control of her heart until after
>> the papers are filed and things appear to be progressing toward a 
>> final conclusion. (Man, I wish ~I~ had, but then hearts are pretty hard things
>> to control at times, I guess!) 
> 
> Like wild horses, damned near impossible to control, and just as dangerous.

And I wish with all my heart that I'd had a better halter.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: Re: LJBF songs
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: I file things by the geological method.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:57:26 GMT

Kim Dyer:
>>Seems there are a few different varieties of LJBF songs we're running
>>in to.

Brad Levy:
>Type 4 - Songs that remind you of and help fill you with hope, and help

Type 5 - The Revenge 100.
  My favourite from this list: "(You ain't worth the) salt in my tears"
			(Who sang this???)

Ohhh yeah.  Wonder how many people have gotten speeding tickets listening
to this song??

-bron

--
Bronwyn J. S. Hoon                                           bron@iastate.edu
                    What colour is a chameleon on a mirror?
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Subject: Re: PLEASE! I need your help! LDR, RELIGION..
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:11:28 GMT

In two religion marriages you really have to work things carefully.
My brother and i are the product of an atheist marrying a Holy Roman Catholic.
My brother doesnt practice religion at all and i am a Lutheran..
[actually we are both non-denominational, but i like lutheran the most.]
fortunately it worked out in my ldr that both of us practice what we believe.

Believe me though you do have to work things carefully... you also never 
mentioned what religion you are yourself.... 

Maybe putting it this way will help...
After coming home from Xmas mass with my mum my dad would sit there and tell 
jokes about the Virgin Mary..... and my parents were in love???

maybe the best thing for you to do would be to switch to the jewish relgion..
there is then nothing preventing you from still attending other services if you
want...

I know many people that will attend church with me that are jewish or buddhist... and then another week we will go to their church..

Anybody who wants to flame me for the next statement, please reply in email

Basically you can get the same fulfillment out of any religious service..
I have been to many church services in other countries... not understood
a word they said and still got the same feelings that i get from church at home.


good luck

-kimberli
roan

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Who gets the longer stick, men or women? ;)
Summary: Bleah. :/
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:23 EST  

In article <15SEP199216145874@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline) writes...
>In article <15SEP199216013921@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes...
>>In article <15SEP199209384654@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, aatresa@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline) writes...
>>> 
>>>Sounds like you *guys* are the ones in shortage.
>> 
>>Just the good ones, T. 
> 
>Stephen, Stephen, Stephen.  How many times do I have to tell you?  The good 
>ones aren't short.
>:-)  :-)

No, you said the short ones aren't good...

.. and your use of the `plural' makes me wonder why you tried more than 
1 if the first one wasn't good ...

.. and besides, I have data to the contrary. *I* am considered `good' and 
I'm only 5' 10".

.. or wasn't that what you were talking about ? :-)

-- Stephen

	"Some people live their dreams, some people close their eyes.
	 Some people's destiny... passes by"

					"I'll Be Over You"   -- Toto

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: michael@gandalf.moria (Michael Haardt)
Subject: Personal summary of "Re: Nice Guys?"
Followup-To: alt.romance
Reply-To: u31b3hs@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
Organization: An old and gray machine, somewhere in Moria.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:30:57 +0100
Return-Path: <u31b3hs@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>

In article <11SEP199215460246@bestsd.sdsu.edu>, regan1016@bestsd.sdsu.edu (T. ELIZABETH HARVEY) writes:
> Eeek!  We just went over this in alt.romance.chat!! *grin*

Oh god, the nice guys thread ... and I wondered where in the world my disk space
has gone.  It seems that this comes up all few months.  (Note to Mary: Is that 
*your* eeek or just a single nameless one? ;)

> Anyway ... there are *some* women who find 'nice guys' boring ... however,
> there are women who *don't* feel that way.  I should know, because I'm one 
> of them ... :)
> Unfortunately, nice guys don't ask me out ... :( *sigh*

*giggle* I bet you get asked out 7 days a week now for a while ... I know
women who posted such articles and had over 100 mails in their mailbox the 
next day, seriously!

I already found my love, so I can say something about the story of nice guys 
(tm) alt.romance and nice women (tm) alt.romance from a different point of
view.  Otherwise you might have got a mail more ...

In former threads, I remember about two or three, in the end the opinion was
that nice guys try to hard and better just wait for love to find them.  
"Watched water never boils."  I know, a bad advice for someone missing
a SO, but -- it's true.

I would qualify myself as a nice guy, being friends with most people.  I
know the sentence "LJBF".  In fact, at a certain point it got close to a
nightmare to hear it.  I also was silly enough to fall in love with someone
who abused my trust in her.  So far about the negative sides.

But I also got a few very good and close friends, who definitively 
make life easier.  And finally, I fall in love with a wonderful nice 
woman (yes, like that (tm)).  We both got close friends, but it just
didn't stop with close friendship, it developed further to very happy
love :-)  

I never saw that nice women liked jerks more, at least not for longer :)
If you feel being a victim of nice-guy-woman-ism, then try to make the best
out of it.  Get friends with people, and look what they say.  LJBF can mean
anything from "I don't want to hurt you, go away." to "I am afraid of 
losing you if we fall in love and it doesn't work.".  If you really know
the person from good friendship before, you should be able to decide
which one was meant.

Back to the posting.  Did you ever ask someone out?  Finding the typical
nice guy should be easy, but I don't need to quote half of the complete
thread.  In fact, my love made the first step.  I am very happy that she
did so -- it was the best thing she ever did for me.

Michael "who feels the warm and clear wind through the twiggs of the romantic
         tree when the days are stormy"
Xref: sparky alt.romance:11538 alt.romance.chat:18529
From: 154s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mona Hatfield)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: Romance...
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:32:05 GMT
Expires: 30 Sep 92 04:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: 154s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mona Hatfield)
Followup-To: jafarr@acpub.duke.edu
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.romance, HOPELESS@news.duke.edu writes:
>Romance is dead.
>I hereby resign as a hopeless romantic.  I'm now just "hopeless".
>
Jeff,

Methinks that you are trying too hard.  I can quote  extensive cliches
but that's not going to do any good.  You can still be a hopeless romantic,
granted it is nicer to be one *with* someone else, but not a requirement.
 Please don't give up on yourself, I haven't.

:)  ***Warm Fuzzies***   ***Warm Fuzzies***   ***Warm Fuzzies***

Mona Hatfield
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Definition: Nice guys.
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:20:23 GMT

gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:

>bolsen@cs.umr.edu (Brian Olsen) writes:
>>
>>I hope this hasn't already been discussed, but I'm wondering if a definition
>>from a "nice guy" has been established.
>>
>I thought every guy reading this group was a nice guy.  At least, we haven't
>heard from any self-defined jerks.  Really now;  is there a guy in this world
>that doesn't think he's nice?  I've never met a guy that didn't think he was
>nice.  Is there a lone voice in the wilderness, willing to admit that, well,
>maybe he (gasp!) _isn't_ nice?

I think the "nice guy" definition doesn't revolve around nice guys so much
as overly nice guys, someone so deferent as to not have any regard for
himself.  You know, the guy who backs down from an argument even if he
thinks he's right and other such nonsense.

I used to be a nice guy but I got tired of being taken for granted and
treated like a doormat so I quit.  Now I'm just a guy.  I wouldn't call
myself an asshole (though some of my detractors may take issue with that =-)
but I do hope that people would look at me and say "He's his own man."
There's a vast middle ground between penultimate asshole and spineless
twerp, and I hope to stake some of that ground out for myself.  Not that
it's worked--I've been single for all practical purposes for 16 months--
but then I haven't really been looking either.  There's a certain security
to be found in not feeling like you're dying of thirst just because you
don't have a girlfriend.

-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
        "Love's for fools wise enough to take a chance...." - Amy Grant
--------------------------{dave@bradley.bradley.edu}---------------------------
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: LJBF songs
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:02:10 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Seems there are a few different varieties of LJBF songs we're running
in to.

1)  Type 1 is the "I hurt, and I need a good long cry" variety.
    Like a good blues tune, the best ones are purging.
    (The only example I can think of is that overplayed thing
    by Sinead O'Conner ... the name escapes me now.  I liked
    it until they played it twice an hour.)

2)  Type 2 is the "you'll be SOOOO-RRY" song.  That's where
    my choice of Al Stewart's "Dark and the Rolling Sea" falls.
    Helps build your own strength.

3)  Type 3 is the "I'm over you now" type of song.  A good
    example of this is "Red Rubber Ball" by Cyrcle.  Yeah
    ... it's old, but listen to the words.  Helped me alot
    at certain points.  VERY bouncy and self assured.
    Confident that you not only CAN survive, but WILL survive
    and grow.

Any others?

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From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: LJBF songs
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:15:29 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>>>Seems there are a few different varieties of LJBF songs we're running
>>>in to.
>>Type 4 - Songs that remind you of and help fill you with hope, and help
>Type 5 - The Revenge 100.

Oh YES!!!  There is a Chenille Sisters song (the name of which escapes
me) with lines that include

"I didn't mean it when I said
 I hope you crack your head
 And get mangled by the downstairs revolving door ..."

and

"I really don't want to see you
 Dismembered by the marijuana sniffing dogs
 When a simple little nipping would suffice ...."
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From: rpatel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Rachana D Patel)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic Songs Discussion list
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:00:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Yeah I was wondering whether anyone was making a list of all of these.
SO then we can finally have a FAQ for our newsgroup.

The Romantic Songs FAQ
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From: grada@columbia.dsu.edu (Alison Grad)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: SO met through the computer. Anyone else ?
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:25:40 GMT
Organization: Dakota State University

I met my current boyfriend over the computer...  We talked for _HOURS_...  
(I have the phone bill to prove it...)  Then in July he came out here.  (I 
live in South Dakota and he is from Ohio.)  Well, needless to say, he now 
goes to school here and we have been together for almost five months now.  
Isn't life grand?

Alison
From: rjg@rabbit.cs.bham.ac.uk (Robin J. Green)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic Songs Discussion list
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:34:28 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

My half-penny worth of comment on romantic songs from the British end of
this.

It is said that more babies are concieved to albums by Simply Red than any
other album in the charts. This is pure speculation, but in my experience
I'd agree. They're also really good recored to depress the heck out of
yourself when she disappears...

My personal favourite artist is Prince. He can dance, he can make political
comment, but best of all he can make love.. like "I want U in me" or
"Lady Cab Driver".

Another lust-tune is anything by Barry White. Dig those vocal chords.. He's
the king of his castle and you KNOW it.

For pure romance, may I suggest some relatively unknowns like The Big Dish,
Ingrid Chavez or The Bible for purity of lyrics and romance.. I'm in love
with these people..

 - hugs - Orbital.
From: lisad@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Lisa Dominique)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: The one you have been awaiting for is comeing up...
Keywords: fireplace, maybe???
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:12:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BuC8Mp.Hs7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:

> Folks,
>   I have written up my romantic story and will be writing it on here shortly
>after I make any last minute corrections that need made neccessary.
>I will enclose a copy to Mary, the RFA secretary, so that my being allowed
>in RFA will be official.  This story, which you will all read about, has 
>NO sex in it.  I wanted it that way because I believe, no matter what others

Romance doesn't have to involve sex.  I am really looking forward
to your story.  It will be something new and refreshing!

Go For It, Scotto!!  And fellow Boilermaker!  :-)

>Hugs to all<-----  
>Scotto

**Warm Bewitching Huggs**  to you too, Scotto!!   

Lis, The Official Good Romantic Witch
and Honoured Former President
of the Romantic Fire Association

p.s.  Heaven is a *Hug* and a *Smile*
      the Joy of Music and the Beauty of Silence
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: wang@db.toronto.edu (Huaiqing Wang)
Subject: Re: Romantic Songs Discussion list
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:10:06 GMT

Hi, all:

	Both me and my GF (sorry for the old fashioned name, :P) love
Phil Collin songs .

	Her favoriate song: "When I feeling blue, all I have to do is
		             take a look at you." :)

	My favoriate song: "Do you remember?" 

	-- Chen Wang

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Nice Guys?
Reply-To: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt.romance
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:29:57 GMT


>>As a wise woman friend of mine once said (meaning, "I can't remember
>>her name"), "Being *nice* is not enough."  Okay, fine, you're *nice*.
>>But you also need to be *interesting*.  
>
>Not according to the above. Interesting BAD is MORE important
>than NICE, whether interesting or not, to these friends of mine.
>
>>Whining about how women only want assholes is not a good way to get
>>women interested in you.  After all, you're telling them that they
>>don't have any taste.  And, say, why would you be interested in a
>>woman who's only interested in assholes, anyway?
>
>I'm not interested in any woman whose judgment was so impaired
>that she would be seeing men who are jerks and assholes. So that
>makes me a harsh judge of character. So my standards are VERY
>high. Maybe that's why I don't have a girlfriend right now, and
>am not interested in having one unless she was the right one. I
>don't play the "She'll do until a better one comes along" game,
>which, unfortunately, is played by BOTH men and women, A LOT.

Bravo.  I couldn't say it any better.  If the woman is foolish enough
to be seeing those jerks and assholes, then she is completely worthless.
Much like the cheap, low-rent bimbos that frequent bars and clubs; which
I have given up on.


Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ins818e@mdw041.cc.monash.edu.au (Pratap Patnaikuni)
Subject: Re: Nice Guys?
Organization: Monash University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:40:42 GMT


C'mon - all you guys outta that freezer!!  Now looky here, no need to worry;
just be patient - your time will come.  Don't worry about those who like the
arrogant-sort; they're definitely not for you.  There ARE a lot of nice people
out there, so don't give up, and don't worry about things in the meantime.
(-:

-Pratap (I'm not gonna claim that I'm a nice guy - that's for others to
	judge, not me.)

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