From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:58 PDT
Subject: WBAI:Transcr. Kennedy & Cuba
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Oct 12 20:58:00 1992


From: David Sangurima <sangu>
Subject: WBAI:Transcr. Kennedy & Cuba

/* Written  2:17 pm  Oct 12, 1992 by jad@ckuxb.att.com in cdp:misc.activism. */
/* ---------- "Part XIV(corrected), PACIFICA RADIO" ---------- */
CORRECTED: 
        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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                        (continuation)
JONES HARRIS:
So, my point here is this: that the decision not to look very firmly
at Organized Crime starts almost from the beginning. It starts with
the Dallas Police. It starts with the Bureau [the FBI]. It starts
with the Warren Commission. It continues to Garrison, and I must
say that even though the Blakey Committee finally did come through
and say: "Yes, it looks as though there might have been involvement",
considering all the time that they spent, I found that their
information was awful awful thin.

GARY NULL:
Alright.  Let's explore that in some depth now, and let's go over
to Mr. Fonzi. Please hold on, Mr. Harris.  Mr. Fonzi, thank you very
much for being with us. Let's explore a few things. Now you were an
investigator with the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Did
you find that there was any attempt by either the FBI or the CIA or
other leading law enforcement agencies or the attorney-general's
office, after [Robert] Kennedy, to downplay or to disengage the
interest of an investigation of Organized Crime in this?

GAETON FONZI:
Well that was not actually one of my areas of investigation. There
was, on the part of all the agencies, I believe, not a total spirit
of cooperation. And, of course, when it came to the CIA, that was
even more so.

Let me go back to something that John Davis said earlier on, as far
as there being no concrete evidence of CIA involvement. There was
no concrete evidence of anyone's involvement. There was no concrete
evidence of Organized Crime's involvement. There was no concrete
evidence of anti-Castro Cuban involvement or pro-Castro Cuban
involvement. There was no concrete evidence of any type of
involvement. There was, I believe, no concrete evidence of Lee
Harvey Oswald's involvement in the assassination.

GARY NULL:
Are you suggesting that Kennedy shot himself?

GAETON FONZI:
What I'm suggesting is that after all these years, there has not
been an adequate investigation. There was not an adequate
investigation on the part of the Warren Commission, and there
wasn't one on the part of the House Select Committee on
Assassinations.

GARY NULL:
But why?  There had to have been a reason.

GAETON FONZI:
Well, certainly from my own experience with the House Select
Committee, I know the reason was strictly political. When Bob
Blakey, the second chief counsel after the original chief counsel
Richard Sprague was fired for wanting to conduct a murder
investigation, a unique approach to the Kennedy Assassination, the
new chief cousel Bob Blakey came in and told his staff this at the
first meeting:  "We have two priorities. Our first priority is to
get a report done in time. Our second priority is to get a report
done within our financial restrictions."  And with those priorities
we set out to do exactly that, limiting, of course, many many areas
of investigation.

Let me just go on for a minute in terms of some of the specifics
that both John Davis and Jones Harris were talking about. I agree
that Organized Crime probably had a part in the assassination
because of Ruby's links to Organized Crime. But I think, in trying
to determine any kind of strategic planning here, you've got to
account for Oswald and Oswald's movements. You've got to account
for Oswald's control. And when Senator Richard Schweiker, who headed
the Senate Select Subcommittee on the [John] Kennedy Assassination
under the [Senator Frank] Church Select Committee on Intelligence
..... when he first got into investigating the Kennedy Assassination,
his immediate conclusion, after digging into it, was that "Oswald
had", as Schweiker put it, "the fingerprints of Intelligence all
over his activities."  So I think that, unless you crank in the
control of Oswald, any theory about the Kennedy Assassination just
isn't complete.

GARY NULL:
Alright.  Can you take us into an understanding of Alpha 66 
and Antonio Visiana?

GAETON FONZI:
Yes, because that goes into .... when you talk about means and
motivation, I think you can find the means and motivation, not only
on the part of Organized Crime, but on the part of the anti-Castro
Cubans or on the part of the intelligence agencies, and in almost
any direction you look. But what I feel is the strongest is the
overall picture of the intelligence agencies' connections to the
anti-Castro Cubans, and their motivation. And that goes back to the
period following the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy was given a lot of blame
for the failure of the Bay of Pigs [Invasion], but it wasn't his
fault. The Bay of Pigs was planned -- including the air strikes --
by the [Central Intelligence] Agency before Kennedy became
president. And he was not even told about the air strikes.
Subsequently, as a result of that failure, Kennedy was very angry,
both at Castro and at the Intelligence Agency. And he sent his
brother Bobby to actually begin taking over the Agency, and set up
a secret war against Castro that was based out of this Florida area
here. And over the course of the years this became the largest CIA
operation outside of Langley [Virginia, CIA Headquarters]. It was
called the Jam Wave Station and it conducted a very very effective
operation against Castro almost on a daily and nightly basis.
These training camps, or these guerilla camps, were set up by the
Agency. They were controlled by Agency personnel using anti-Castro
Cubans as the operatives. And their spirit and motivation became
blended with the anti-Castro Cubans' goals. 

Come the Cuban Missile Crisis when Kennedy realized that, as a 
result of this very effective war against Castro, Castro permitted 
the Russian missiles to be brought into Cuba. Kennedy realized that 
he had brought the world to the brink of a nuclear disaster. So he 
made arrangements with [Soviet Premier] Kruschev to stop the secret 
war and to close down these guerilla bases in return for the
withdrawal of the missiles.

When he did that, the guerilla bases continued operating against
-- in defiance -- of the President's orders. As a result of that,
Kennedy was forced to use other agencies -- the Navy, the Coast 
Guard and other military agencies -- to close down these camps. 
And in the process, he arrested some of these anti-Castro Cubans 
whom the Government had been supporting. This was reason enough for 
the anti-Castro Cubans and their Intelligence [Agency] partners to
consider Kennedy a traitor. And as a matter of fact, during the
height of delicate negotiations with Kruschev, it was Alpha 66, one
of the most militant anti-Castro groups, that tried to sink Russian
ships in Havana Harbor, again defying Kennedy's orders.
                      (to be continued)
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         John DiNardo