Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Cultura dar Afghanistan 
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:16:13 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <sehari.716254290@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>In <1992Sep10.190813.11703@wam.umd.edu> endevour@wam.umd.edu (...) writes:
>
>>In article <babak.715478027@vlsi1> babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>>>
>>>Afghan, means load scream from pain or sorrow.  Afghanistan was part of 
>>>origional Iran, which was forced out of Iran by England around 100 or so years
>>>ago.
>
>>If you want to make such a far fetched claim as Afghanistan being a part of
>>Iran, then pleasee give reliable refrences. It is the third time that you 
>>make such a claim with the arrogance that has become intolerable. We, the  
>>Afghans, too have some lunatics in our country who would claim that Iran and 
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^
>>India is part of Afghanistan. Of course it is none but utter nonsense. 
>
>First. I do not know if you are a real Afghani.  Your name dose not sound
>Persian to me.  				  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Babak, man, what kind of logic is that? Walid Majid is Afghani, his name is
not persian, Sayed Hussaini is Afghani, his name is not Persian, Mariam Bashar,is Afghani, her name is not Persian. Does Afghani equal Persian? I think not.
All of the above mentioned names are Arabic. So are they Arabic? No, these 
people are Afghani. Some Afghani, if you insist on going into history, are 
Persian, some are Pathan, some Tadzhik, Uzbeg, Kazakh, some are even 
Indian/Pakistani.

Second, there are a lot of literature out there supporting
>the fact that Afghanistan was an Ostan of Iran.  

And there is alot of literature written by Afghani nationalists that state
that the Afghanis were never ruled by anyone. I know many Afghanis who
state and this is true, starting from the Russian invasion going all the way
back to the dominance of Buddhism that no nation was ever able to rule or
dominate the Afghans. You might be even happy to know that the Arabs were not
able to dominate Afghanistan the way they were able to dominate your country.


The ending Ostan is another
>evidence to this fact. Third, I should tell you that people in Afghanistan
>who believe Iran, Afghanistan, and part of north India are one country are
>*not* totally wrong.  There are historical and cultural grounds for this
>idea.  

Cultural similarities do not make a single country. If I were going to stretch
your argument, then I say Pakistan should dominate the whole Muslim world 
because Pakistan has cultural ties to all Muslim nations, the presence of 
Makranis and Orientals just prove that we even have ties to Sub-Saharan Africa
and South-East Asia.

[whole lotta bunk deleted]


>
>The only thing that make some people of current Iran interested to join
>with Afghanistan is the idea of unification of all Persian speaking people.

My dear Afghani brothers and sisters, after the war that Allah Subhanahu
had blessed you in victory, for the Love of God, your families, neighbors, and
your fellow Muslims, are ANY of you interested in a PERSIAN unification?
Are the Mujahidin-e-Ilahi-e-Afghanistan (not MKO, Babak, true Mujahideen),
the ones who worked so hard in throwing out the atheistic, kafir, russi 
qaum-e-fasiqin, interested in a PERSIAN unification? Are those Mujahid who are
trying sincerely to build the country (not people like Dostam, Hikmatyar) 
interested in a PERSIAN unification?


>
>In today's world, when European nations and other countries of the
>world discovered that they can neither compete with other countries alone,
>nor could survive as a small nation, as a result they are making themselves
>as united States of Europe.  When United States is talking economical
>unification with Mexico and Canada.  When South East Asian Countries are
>getting more and more closer every day.  It is disturbing to see small
>minded nationalism such as yours, is delaying the progress of our region
>of the world.  As I said, it's up to people of Afghanistan to decide what
>kind of future do they want, a country deadlocked in the mountains, or a
>bigger union with people who speak their language, have very close culture
>to their culture, and could provide greater opportunity for their kids, and 
>themselves in general.  Not to mention the same religion and historical
>background.
>
>Off course, you might know that Iran, Turkey, and Pakistan currently
>are trying to reach at least much greater economic cooperation through
>CNTO.  Even though, the process has been very slow.  Really, if we want to
>have any future, and would like to compete with other regions of the world
>, our region does not have any choice but to open up it's eyes and face the
>realities of today's world.  One of which is no small country could provide
>for welfare of it's people.  In order to provide a better life style for
>people of a small and less populated country, that country should join others.
>In order to put all their resources together, and make a better use of them.
>
>Even with all these considerations, if people of Afghanistan still choose
>to stay as an small country, we the current Iranians are still willing to
>devote some of our resources to help them to ease their hardships, and
>help them to achieve to their goals, whatever it might be.  After all, 
>people in Afghanistan and some other soviet republics are the only other
>people in the world that understand our language and our culture.
>
>                         With highest regards,
>                              Babak   Sehari.
>
>>What do you say to the Kurds in north of Iran. They too "wish" to be 
>>independent would you be as magnanimous as you have so far been with  
>>the Afghans. 'Nuf daid.  
>
>Yes, but most Kurdish relative that I have would like to stay with current
>Iran.  They are reminders of Madians which together with Persians and
>Partians, which are the origin of Afghan people made a common union, which
>they called Iran.  The Original Iran
>made of the union of the Persians, Madians (Kurds), and Partians ( people
>of Eastern Iran and Afghanistan).  Needless, to say I am part Kurd.  Their
>pain is our pain, too.  
>

Oy ullu, be-waqoof, kamina, harami-ka-larka, zaleel, na-laik, be-ghairat,
be-ilmi, yeh racial, vacial bakwas ko bund karo. Yeh Afghani log sahih
muslim log hain. Tumeh kyah patta hai, tumhara dimagh, sultanat-e-farsia
men phassa hua hai. Bechara, aghar koy ittehad hona hai to islami ittehad
ho ga, aur yad karo, tumhara bardha iran odeh dari mein nahin ho ga.

The translation for this, find out for yourself.











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