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From: paul@ace.acadiau.ca (Paul Steele)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values in misc.kids
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:54:06 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

>Several people said that misc.kids is not an appropriate place for this argument.
>I think they are wrong.
>
>I did not start this argument, but I can't let the religious nonsense stay
>that is spread here. I also try to include something related to misc.kids in
>all of my posts.
>
>One reason why I am an atheist is that harm is done to children by theism.
>If Christians in Northern Ireland want to bomb each other, Jehovah's Witnesses
>don't want blood transfusions, and all theists don't face reality it's their
>problem. But they force their children to do the same, and this is the point I
>oppose.
>
>If there were people who think that giving LSD to little kids is a good idea
>you probably would do the same (oppose it, I mean).
>
I agree completely.  My niece committed suicide because her Johavah Witness 
parents wouldn't let her partake in all the things other kids around her was 
doing.  She was isolated to the point of complete depression and took her 
life because of religious interference in her upbringing.  She was only 13!
I also had a cousin who took his life because of religious interference in 
his life by his Mormon parents.  He was also 12 or 13.  These are extreme 
cases (perhaps), but I can think of many more without much effort.

Kids can be taught good morals and other proper social behaviour without the 
shroud of religion.

___
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Acadia University, Computer Centre            FAX: 902-542-4364
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada, B0P 1X0  Internet: Paul.Steele@acadiau.ca
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Toddler Table & Chairs
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:36:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: random.1992Aug20.153653.3527
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Originator: sgauch@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu

We wanted to move the rocking chair from Laura's room to the baby's room.
Laura wanted to keep it.  John solved the dilemma by saying
"Gee, we should put your table and chairs in your room."  
Laura thought this was a great idea.
Oh, oh, there's no room!  What should we do??
Why, I know, says Dad, let'r move the rocking chair out
to make room.
What a good idea, says Laura.
Where shall we put it?  I know - there's room in the baby's room.  :-)

What has this to do with toddler tables and chairs, you ask?
Well, we lost her table from the den this way, but fixed that
problem by using an extra booster seat on the floor which made
the coffee table just the right height.  Cheap replacement.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cradle Cap (was: Hair washing)
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:51:41 GMT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com (Johnny Battle) writes:

> Reid Kneeland writes:
>
> >Sarah still gets recurring patches of cradle cap (or as she calls it,
> >baby crap) at three and a half.  We don't try to do anything about it.
> >As far as I know, it's harmless.  Is there any reason to be concerned?
>
> Probably not.  I hope not.  Our son still has a patch on his head at
> age twelve.  Regular dandruff shampoo helps, but I think we will try
> this Paul Mitchell stuff people have been writing about.
>
> **********************************************************************
> Johnny Battle

If your son still has trouble with it, try taking him to the doctor. I
have had dandruff all my life, but the doctor prescribed the medicine used
by the regular dandruff shampoos, but in a prescription strength.
According to the doctor, I will always have to use it as dandruff is a
condition that apparently does not ever get cured.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:10:22 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <1992Aug17.201108.2202370@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>
>So, before you chuck birthday parties, take a look at the needs of your child.
>It may be that skipping the birthday party equates with skipping lunch on the
>negligence scale.  
>
>So, flame war anyone?

Well, when about 25% of the children are growing up in poverty, your statement
sounds insensitive. I bet there are many kids out there are skipping lunch
on a fairly regular basis. You coment sounds just a tad superficial.

To you parties and gifts are important. For some families they may have
other needs/prioties/wants. It also seems ethnocentric of you. Some cultures
do not value birthdays, and some religions dont belive in celebrating holidays.

I hate to say it, but this seems like one of the silliest flame wars you have
tried to start in a long time.

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:06:47 GMT

In article <Xy1sPB2w164w@glnserv.UUCP> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>>
>> It must be a 'girl' thing. Jeffrey was given several at the baby showers. Tha
>> doesnt count, since no one knew he was a boy. Since he was born, I can think
>> of only one stuffed animal he has received from anyone other then my mother
>> and me. A good friends daughter, who is two days younger then Jeffrey
>> receives several stuffed animals at every gift giving occasion. She also gets
>> lots of clothes as gifts, which Jeffrey never gets, either.
>>

Or, perhaps it is a first child thing.  Mitchell's collection far outnumbers
Erin's, and I've even given some of his to her.  And then Ron and I have a
rather nice collection ourselves.

>
>I remember my (ex-)MIL saying she wanted my daughter to have a collection
>of stuffed animals. My thought was, Yeah, but are you going to find a
>place in the apartment to keep them all? Fortunately, Grandma lost
>interest in the collection before the zoo started.

This is a solvable problem.  We use a hammock strung in the corner of 
Mitchell's bedroom.  All the generic stuffed animals fit in the hammock (stuff
in is perhaps a more appropriate term).  Then the Disney collection sits
on his bed atop his Mickey Mouse bedspread.  The only problem with this 
arrangement is that Erin's favorite game is climb up to the hammock and 
throw all the stuffed animals down.  Hers we keep in a big plastic tube like
container that was probably meant to be a trash can, but is a great toy
collector.

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:44:50 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Warming baby bottles
 <1992Aug10.222850.320@chiton.ucsd.edu>
 <day_kevran-100892165953@130.252.108.211> <14016@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>

In article <14016@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula
Burch) says:
>
>
>A lot of babies refuse to accept a bottle while their breast-feeding
>mommy is in the house. So when my baby accepted a bottle from ME, I
>thought he must be a very flexible child. When he accepted an icy-cold
>bottle from my husband, I was even more convinced of this. (Not that it
>matters, but one does like to look for clues about the personality of
>this little stranger!)
>
>So--is this unusual or not?
>

Doug has always been very flexible about bottles vs. breast, and the
temperature of bottles.  The first few bottles were a little hard for him
but once he got the hang of it, it didn't matter who it came from.  The
same with temperature, he seems totally indifferent.  Now, I mainly warm
his bottles so that his hands don't get too cold holding an icy bottle.

I wonder if it is more related to appetite than anything.  Doug eats like
a horse, and when he is hungry/thirsty temperature is the last of his
concerns :-) !

Chris Himes
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 22 Aug 92 10:11:21 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Aug21.200647.2207010@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

[JLT writes about children and stuffed animals:]

> Or, perhaps it is a first child thing.  Mitchell's collection far outnumbers
> Erin's, and I've even given some of his to her.  

This has also been true for us, with the same boy-girl order.  My son has a LOT
of stuffed animals, which the baby, at 10 months, has started eyeing with great
envy.  She on the other hand only has 2-3; I'm going to ask the doting aunts to
add to her collection for her first birthday.  Oh, and although my son rarely
if ever really plays or does anything with his collection, he is loathe to pass
on any to little sister :(.  When I bring up the idea of "sharing" them, he
enthusiastically agrees, then runs in and grabs *her* few...

Ann Helmers
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tantrums (2YO + 6YO)
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:07:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <TIGGER.92Aug19130456@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>Well, sometimes we just tell Kathy what we're planning on doing before
>hand (and any details about expected behaviors) and tell her that we
>expect "no trouble" and wait for her to agree. It's been amazing to us
>how well this contract has worked.
>

I think this bears repeating.  Some children (most?) have a difficulty with
transitions.  Mitchell is such a child.  He has to mentally adjust to change
before the change takes place.  We have found the "warning" method 
exceptionally helpful and a great reducer of tantrums.

We do it like this.  Mitchell is playing somewhere having a good time and we
will need to leave soon.  We give him a "5 minute warning" which he invariably
bargains into "two five minutes".  Often after the warning Mitchell will
come to us and say, "okay, I'm ready to go."  Othertimes we just announce
that the 5 minutes is up (or give the second 5 minutes and then announce it
is time to leave). 

We have a lot fewer tantrums.  We give warnings about taking baths, going to 
bed, eating lunch - just about any activity where we're likely to have an
argument.  If you haven't tried this yet, you might want to.  Epsecially if
transitions are hard on your child.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Choking - What to do?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:31:24 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <BtADEL.44s@ocsmd.ocs.com> ted@zeus.ocs.com (Ted Scott) writes:
>
>4.      If air IS NOT being exchanged, ask if they want help.
>        (haven't had a refusal yet :-) Call for help, yell,
>        have someone call the ambulance. Perform the Hiemlic
>        manuver (for adults and larger Kids ~100lbs &^). 

I took an adult/child CPR class a couple of years ago (after my
son choked on a tortilla chip!), and was told in this class to
do the Heimlich maneuver on all children one year old or older.
Is this true, or won't it work unless your one-year-old weighs
100 lbs.?  Any CPR instructors out there care to clear this up?

Judy Drake
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Terrible Twos/Second Baby Thoughts
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:32:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3365
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Aug11.221229.26973@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.UUCP (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
 
>Whew!  Now that I've rambled on, my concern with baby #2 is that
>1) Kayla will not progress out of this tantrum stage until even
>later, (or may even get temporarily worse), 

Whew!  Kayla sounds like a doozy!

With us, when #2 got here, #1 definitely launched into an incredible
tantrum phase, the only one he's ever had.  It lasted a couple of
months, which coincided with my maternity leave.  It made life
difficult for a while, but in retrospect now seems like it didn't
last very long.  Of course I can't predict how Kayla will react, but
I would guess that her tantrums would get worse temporarily, then get
better.  Plus, at this point you're not yet pregnant--that gives
her at least nine months to get past this stage.

>2) I won't be able to give her the attention she needs 

You mean, you won't be able to give her the attention she _wants_.  
This may be a good thing for Kayla!  My son will get pretty insistent
and whiny if I don't give him attention and instead do something he
doesn't think I need to do, like sit down and read a book.  But he
understands when I have to feed the baby or bounce her because she's
crying or give her a bath or whatever.  

Sure Kayla doesn't throw as many tantrums when you spend more time with
her--as long as you're paying attention to her, she has no reason to
throw a tantrum.  With a baby in the house, however, Kayla will learn
that there are times when you just _can't_ pay attention to her and
there's absolutely nothing she can do about it.  This might be a good
thing for her to learn.

>3) the unthinkable, unutterable, that this baby will be as difficult
>as Kayla.  I know I'll adjust if it happens, but it's just too
>tiring to think about (I'm trying not to).

Chances are, you won't end up with two Kaylas!!  The second-borns
that I know (including my own) seem to be born without that firstborn  
expectation that Mom and Dad exist for them and them only.  And,
after having been through Kayla, anything will seem easy!
 
Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson)
Subject: Re: Birth control during breastfeeding?
Summary: IUDs
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:15:24 GMT


I think that IUDs are very underrated.  I've had two different kinds
(well, 3, but the first was before kids, and very painful...I would never
recommend an IUD to someone without children).  The first was in 86, and was
good for a year.  Periods, cramping, etc., were actually BETTER with that IUD.
The second was in 88, and was good for 4 years.  Periods were a bit heavier
but there didn't seem to be additional cramping.  One of those had a slow
release of progesterone, that wasn't supposed to have any measurable effect on
a nursing baby.  As a sidenote, I got pregnant within 2 WEEKS of having those
removed (and I WAS using additional birth control!) so I don't think that
they have any negative effect on fertility (unlike the pill).  I have
tried every form of birth control on the market (except the new implant) and
for me, the IUD was the best.

Val
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's family values
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:12:10 GMT
 <aidler.714089686@sanjuan>
Organization: University of Maine System

following up to a number of posts:

the bible says quite clearly "suffer not a witch to live," so
that shoots down the comment of someone that saud that someone
else was lying when he said that the bible requires killing people
like me...  (well, i wasn't mentioned by name, but it's still me -
and katy too, for that matter)

also, i find it the height of arrogance that someone would
pray for me to convert to their disgusting deity so that i
can be made truly happy.  i view someon prosletyzing my daughter
as roughly equivalent to exposing their genitals to her.  worse,
actually.  she's SEEN genitals before.

there are more possibilities than a) there is a deity and it is
YHVH, and b) there is no deity, so pascal is right out.  what
if the hindus, for instance, are right?  and, for that matter,
seems to me the WORST reason for worshipping a deity is beacuse
you are afraid of what it will do if you don't.  how is a deity
like that any better than a devil?

                                       -ailsa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:15:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.152013.23128@hemlock.cray.com>
rice@cray.com (Jonathan Rice) writes:
>Missy Iaquinto writes:
>> So how much more difficult is two than one?
  (many reasons why two children are not 'hard to have'......)
>
>I confess to having an unkind (though unvoiced) reaction to anyone who says
>"two is more than twice as hard as one."  It is: "So, you didn't learn
>anything at all from the first one?"  Whiners.
>
>...     Tell me again what could possibly make it hard to have two.
>
  I had LOTS of problems with the arguments presented by Jonathan Rice.
I have two and wouldn't ever want to give up the second child (my 'mama's
boy' who is 21 months old!).  HOWEVER -
  One person made the very good point that with one, she had 2 hours free
time a day, and with two, she had a half-hour of free time.  I wanted to
add, 'or no free time' to that.  In my case, I stay up until late at night
most nights just to enjoy the silence and uninterrupted peace (and have to
go to work the next day!).
  I think this has to do with the kind of person I am.  I know some other
mothers who never enjoyed solitude much to begin with - they don't miss
'free time' at all.  They don't retreat into the world of books or become
pleasantly engrossed in organizing recipes from 5 years of New York Times
Sunday Magazine food sections (any one want a recipe for real head cheese?).
They don't search through the Wall Street Journal, looking for hot stock
picks for an investment club.  Recently, I got the task of analyzing the
quarterly reports for our stocks - can't wait to do that some midnight!
  I really need the quiet time and the interests for myself, but that is
just me.  There exist mothers (and fathers) who don't read a lot, don't
listen much to the news, or the radio, or do any crafts projects.  They
don't miss that 'free time' as much, I am sure.
  My neighbor, who had her children years ago, told me that the second
child was the tumultuous adjustment;  her third child just 'slid right in'
to their family life.  I believe I could handle a third child much more
easily - after all, I have already resigned myself to being 'on duty'
straight through until 9:00 at night.
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
From: 2740s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Amanda Parker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny Things They Say
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:18:21 GMT
Reply-To: 2740s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Amanda Parker)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

Yesterday Ricky (3YO) and I went to Open House at his school.  We went
to meet his teacher and to see his classroom.  He has an Aunt that teaches
there, so we stopped by to see her.  I told Ricky that Aunt Dee Dee
becomes Mrs. Jacks while he is at school and he can call her Aunt Dee
Dee the rest of the time.  When we got home, Daddy was asking him about
his visit to school.  He said, "Did you see Mrs. Jacks", Ricky says, "No,
I saw Aunt Dee Dee and Mrs. Beavers."

I guess I should leave well enough alone, huh?
From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Talk talk TALK talk
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:31:16 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.

In article <1992Aug18.132940.29739@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>anything like it.  From the time he wakes up in the morning, till he
>goes to bed he talks and chatters non-stop.
>
>Its a phase, yeah that's it, a phase, gotta be.
>===================================================================

I certainly can hear you!!!  My youngest son talks non-stop and has since
he started talking - sometimes, i hate to say it, i simply ignore him, and
I have been known to put earplugs in while trying to read or write.

I'd love to find out if anyone has a REAL solution ----

Toni

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:04:45 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Our older son, Ben, is nearly 3.5, and has been attached to a particular
type of blanket since he was about 5 months old (around the time he
started sucking his thumb!).  It's a white soft thermal acrylic blanket
with silky acrylic or nylon binding around the edge.  We have called
this blanket "cloud nine," since I didn't care for the term "blankie."
Ben has several cloud nines (or is it clouds nine?  or cloud eighteen?
:-), all of which are interchangeable, more or less.  I also cut one in
half and put new binding on the cut edge, then cut one of the halves in
half and added binding to it.  The little pieces are great for stroller,
back-pack, car, etc.  (My dad calls these pieces cloud 4 1/2 and cloud 2
1/4 respectively :-)

Our younger son, Andy is about 1.5, and he is equally attached to his
yellow cloud nines.  He truly doesn't care which blanket he gets ahold
of, as long as it has the soft binding.  Yesterday he spotted some of
the appropriate binding on a regular (non-thermal) blanket on our bed,
and ran right over and started carressing it and sucking his thumb.
Soooooo cute!

A funny story about this:  we took Ben to Florida when he was 1.5.
One day we went to the beach, and he started hollering "Cloud nine!
Cloud nine!"  I finally realized that he had spotted a lady carrying
a large, folded-up cloud nine-type blanket (brown!) walking along the
beach about 30 feet away!

Beth Jones
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (mikki barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:25:55 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (mikki barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug17.130252.3254@newstand.syr.edu>, 
kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
> If you bet that God exists, and behave in accordance with what you think
> God demanded, and then find out in the end that there is no God, what have
> you really lost except 70 odd years of living with hedonistic abandon?

How other people choose to live their lives is not what concerns me.  What 
does concern me is other people telling me that I am wrong for not buying 
into the same belief structure as they do.
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tantrums (2YO + 6YO)
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:04:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sylvan Associates

Well, sometimes we just tell Kathy what we're planning on doing before
hand (and any details about expected behaviors) and tell her that we
expect "no trouble" and wait for her to agree. It's been amazing to us
how well this contract has worked.

Also, if it is an activity that she won't get much out of, we
sometimes do offer a treat, afterwards, providing she cooperates.
Again, stating exactly what we plan to do, what's expected of her, and
what we'll do for her if she does this thing for us.

Did you let you son know *before* going into the toy department that
you were just looking, no buying today?
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids