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From: mprime@cadmium.Berkeley.EDU (Michael B. Prime)
Subject: Re: What's Up With NCCA (was: Re: NCCA Eligibility)
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:31:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.150416.12861@tamsun.tamu.edu> ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer) writes:
>Why does it seem that NCCA operates in secret?  I intend this posting to
>be friendly, but I it does seem that NCCA holds meetings and decides things
>without ever letting the member teams know what's going on.  I was very
>surprised to just learn from an earlier followup that the NCCA Board of
>Trustees is not meeting at the House of Delegates meeting as scheduled.
>
>What, exactly, was cussed and discussed (and decided) at the last meeting,
>which, I presume, was in Rome, Ga.?  Do we members have access to the
>minutes of the last meeting and the agenda for the next?  My team has
>some concerns that we would like addressed and we just don't feel we
>have any direct voice unless, in our case, Kathy Volski (our conference
>director) happens to be championing a cause which we happen to support.
>
>Any members of the NCCA Board of Trustees care to comment on this?
>--
The NCCA sure does not mean to operate in secret.

Several items were discusses last time in Rome, among them eligibility for
nationals and a new system for alloting the number of teams per
conference for nationals. Before the meeting I posted the Agenda for the
meeting on the collegiate cycling mailing list (apparently no longer in
service) and asked for comment. I also posted a summary of what had
occurred on the same mailing list. I am the male athlete rep to the board
of trustees, so it is my job to represent your views. There was an article
last year in Cycling USA giving my adress, phone #, and this email address
(with a typo). Besides soliciting comments through the net and email, I
get comments at our conference legislative meeting once a year and talk to
racers in our races and especially at nationals. In Rome I talked to more
than a dozen riders about various issues over the weekend.

In short, your voice should be heard. Also, Kathy Volski has been quite good
at our meetings about giving the views of teams in her conference even if she
doesn't agree.

You should have access to the minutes of the last meeting, try Kathy or
call the USCF and ask for Alida Ruiz. Unfortunately I can't find the
summary I posted after the meeting. I am leaving tomorrow morning for
Track Nationals, but when I get back next week I'll look for it or tell
you what I remember if you mail me.

Mike

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ozalp@cs.cornell.edu (Ozalp Babaoglu)
Subject: word perfect to take over buckler team
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:14:35 GMT


recent article in the gazzetta dello sport indicates that the
software firm "word perfect" will take over the sponsorship
of the current buckler team.

same article mentions that s. rooks is negotiating with gatorade-
chateau d'ax for next year and that r. alcala has signed with festina.
-- 
Ozalp Babaoglu					E-mail:	ozalp@cs.cornell.edu
Dept. of Computer Science
4130 Upson Hall, Cornell University		TEL:	+1 607 255-5418
Ithaca, New York 14853-7501 (USA)		FAX:	+1 607 255-4428
From: machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: womens 1-4
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:10:51 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <92254.190846MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu> MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>this is just to see if anyone else shares my thoughts, feelings, whatever.  

Sounds like you have a legit. complaint. 

>so, any thoughts, comments, etc.?      Maria Conchita at PSU

Take it upon yourself to try and change things. Good luck. 
-- 

Miguel A. Ramirez, | machina@uts.amdahl.com | {sun,uunet}!amdahl!machina
From: jake@introl.com (Joel D. Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Chequamegon anyone?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 11:10:10 -0500
Organization: Introl Corp.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: introl.introl.com

crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (R. Wagner) writes:
>Just wondering if anyone out there is going to the Chequamegon 40 this weekend.

heh.  umm, id like to take this oportunity to say that although im not going to
Chequamegon on sat, i WILL be going to the crit in cedarburg on sunday which is
sponsored by the club im in (hampshire cycle club).  i dont have the cheat
sheet with me, so i cant tell you prize money, but i think the races start at
12:30pm with cat 4/5.  prize money is semi-contingent on the number of racers
that show up, so the more we get, the more you might win.

jake "plug plug"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ozalp@cs.cornell.edu (Ozalp Babaoglu)
Subject: PDM quitting pro racing (was Re: word perfect to take over buckler)
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:16:18 GMT

In article <05N803.Q7f=C00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez) writes:
|> 
|> Does "El Raul's" signing with Festina mark the end of PDM? Is Breukink
|> still with PDM?  Sad how what was once considered the top pro-team on earth
|> has quitely disbanded. 
|> -- 
|> 

yes, PDM is closing shop next year along with Z and Buckler.

-- 
Ozalp Babaoglu					E-mail:	ozalp@cs.cornell.edu
Dept. of Computer Science
4130 Upson Hall, Cornell University		TEL:	+1 607 255-5418
Ithaca, New York 14853-7501 (USA)		FAX:	+1 607 255-4428
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: U.S. women win Worlds TTT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:13:44 GMT

I was pleased to learn just now that USCF women took the gold medal
in their team time trial event.
--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: rs3j@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU (Ruth L. Stornetta)
Subject: Re: masters weekends
Summary: Mid-Atlantic Masters Weekends
Keywords: masters, racing
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:48:08 GMT

I have either been to or heard about several successful Masters
weekends in the Mid-Atlantic region. 
   The Newsoms Masters RR (Newsoms, VA) always
gets a good turnout and is just for Masters. It has been run for 3
years now in the early season in conjunction with a Crit (not always the same)
the day before that includes Masters races.
   Races for masters have been promoted for several years now in August in
Hagerstown and Westminster (MD), although this year one of the 2 was cancelled.
These races are crits run on Sat/Sun with races for non-masters as well
and have had very good attendance.
   The East Coast Sectional Championships (RR) were held later in 
August in Staunton, VA. The men's fields were all fairly well represented 
(between 20-40 per field) but the women's race was small enough to
run all age groups together for a field of ~25. The day before saw a crit in
downtown Staunton with races for several Masters fields as well as non-masters.
Of course we have a lot of very competitive Masters in our District including
several national and world cup champions so the competition is usually fierce.
   I look forward to attending the upcoming Masters weekend in the Philly
area Oct 3,4. The schedule is for a crit on Sat and a hilly circuit race on
Sunday. I don't know why the Masters in the Midwest are such poops- was
there another race conflicting with that weekend- or are there enough
Masters in the area?

-Ruth Stornetta                      Dept. Pharmacology, U.VA.
Monticello Velo Club                 Charlottesville, VA

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Races at car race tracks, was: Re: Hotter'N Hell Hundred Cat 3)
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:24:36 GMT

Miguel A. Ramirez (machina@uts.amdahl.com) writes:

> Marc San Soucie writes:
> >Russ Corfman (corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP) writes:
> > > Marc San Soucie (marcs@slc.com) writes:

> > > > our weekly circuit race, which is a short race held on an automobile 
> > > > racetrack each Tuesday for 5-6 months in spring and summer. 

> > > I wish there was a series at the Phoenix International Raceway or the.
> > > Firebird race track. Maybe I ought to get my club to investigate this...

> > Maybe the USCF ought to work to encourage this. 

> As for the USCF looking in to this- sounds like a great idea. I think that
> it's more an issue for race promoters to look at. 

Sure, but perhaps the USCF has that 'presence' that might push a track 
owner over the brink into accepting the race promoter's entreaties.

Then again, nothing's ever that simple.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: nbernste@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Norman Bernstein)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: masters weekends
Summary: weekend a financial failure
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:36:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: urbana.1992Sep9.153659.1621
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

This past weekend (September 5 & 6), Illinois had a "Master's Weekend".
The events were sponsored by one of Illinois more popular officials
(Dave Osborne).  The funded the whole thing.  The races were well
publicized (three months of ads in the Midwest Flyer) and well
organized.

The problem was exceptionally low turn out.  Dave lost $3000.

Our district rep (Nestor Evancivich) interprets the low turn out as a
"vote" by Midwest masters racers against having future master's
weekends.

Is there anyone out there from a state that is successful with a
master's program (ie not just masters racing as part of regular race
events, but special masters races)?

Just curious,

Norm
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: bugno wins the World Championship for the second time!
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:40:26 GMT

In article <2AAD6EF3.14107@news.service.uci.edu> iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) writes:

   For those of you interested in how Lance Armstrong did in the Worlds,
   according to the LA Times (Mon Sep 7), he was in the chase for the road
   race win when a bystander "jumped into his path to snap a photograph,
   causing Armstrong to crash" nine laps into the race.


I thought he had decided to skip the Worlds for this year?

MJ
--
Michael R. Johnston/System Administrator                mjohnsto@shearson.com  
  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: womens 1-4
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:59:12 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <92254.190846MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> this is just to see if anyone else shares my thoughts, feelings, whatever.  I'm
|> a woman racer in pennsylvania.  i've been riding for 3 years, racing for 2, and
|>  i'm a cat 3.  i'm really tired of going to big races and sitting on the start
|> line next to olympians, betsy king, you know, really good people.  especially i
|> rritating, i think, is the fact that half the time, the men's 3-4 race is short
|> er than my race-but then most races are too short for everyone, so . . .  anywa
|> y, why can't women be placed within their category?  we could all start at the
|> same time and then be placed according to category.  I've raced mountain bike r
|> aces this way and it works out fine, so what the heck's the problem.  I know so
|> me of you guys out there are going to go "yeah, waaah, waah, women are always c
|> omplaining," but think about it-would cat 4 men and cat 1 men ever race togethe

Most women in our area also don't race 1's and 4's together.
Although when I first started racing, they did.  What is it
like in other districts?  I think we just need to get more
women to race so that the categories can have their own races.

Leigh Ann
tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: dick@ncs.com
Subject: Re: word perfect to take over buckler team
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:28:56 GMT

In article <05N803.Q7f=C00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.221435.9620@cs.cornell.edu> ozalp@cs.cornell.edu (Ozalp Babaoglu) writes:
>
>Does "El Raul's" signing with Festina mark the end of PDM? Is Breukink
>still with PDM?  Sad how what was once considered the top pro-team on earth
>has quitely disbanded. 
>-- 
>Miguel A. Ramirez, | machina@uts.amdahl.com | {sun,uunet}!amdahl!machina
>

Not so sad or suprising, when you consider all of the drug scandals 
surrounding the team.



-- 

Dick Anderson
Minneapolis
From: crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (R. Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Chequamegon anyone?
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:58:38 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Just wondering if anyone out there is going to the Chequamegon 40 this weekend.
I'll be there and would enjoy meeting any fellow netters who happen to attend.
If you're there, look for a Cannondale SM700 Chameleon (black with neon green
splatter) with Manitou's and a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle (I think it's
Raphael) on the stem.  If you're looking for me in the race, check the last
25%.  Hope to see you there.


Ride on, 
Raydude.

"Ray, a man unburdened by the rigors of coherent thought." 
          -a Brannonism quoted by George Heinz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Tour of Martha's Vineyard
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:38:26 GMT


>From the Boston Globe, Sept. 13 1992:
> 
>Kryptonite Tour of Martha's Vineyard
> 
>Pro/1-2   (100K)
> 
>1. Paul McCormack, IME 2:27:47
>2. Roy Knickman, Coors Light
These two were away in a break.

>3. Davis Phinney, Coors Light

5. Derek Bouchard-Hall

Talked with Derek after the race.  He said he would have placed
4th except he made the mistake of trying to come arround Phinney.
He should have just sat on his wheel.  

THis is a really fun race.  In the morning you get on a ferry in 
Woods Hole with your bike and a change of clothes.  After a half hour
ferry ride you go change under an old band stand and leave your stuff there.
After the race I was about to change back into my street clothes when
15 12-year-old school girls walk in wondering how to get up to the top
of the bandstand.

Somehow they get a 60 mile race out
of the 20 or so miles of road on Martha's Vinyard.  You are riding along
thinking this is great having 50 people chearing for you at every 
intersection.  Only after the race do you realize that there was only one
intersection.  We had full rolling enclosure for the whole race, though you
were wise to stay to the right as much as possible.  The sprint was dominated
by a stiff headwind.  BIG prize money too.  22nd payed $125. Kind of hard to 
justify I think.  If you want to do this next year
be sure to sign up well in advance.

Paul Stek
From: scastill@nmsu.edu (Steve Castillo)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: masters weekends
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:33:57 GMT
Distribution: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: NMSU Computer Science


A master's series run by Jerry Kiuttu in and around the Albuquerque,
NM area was very successful.  No prize money, several different
categories and age groups, low entry fees and alot of fun was had by
all.  The series combined road races, time trials and even a hill
climb (Sandia Peak) in distances up to 80 miles.  However, racers
could pick the distance and difficulty (A,B,C) within an age group.  Racers
points accumulations were based on the category (A,B,C,) they chose as well as
their USCF category within the race category they are at.  No race
started on time, but nobody seemed to complain in keeping with the
spirit of the whole event.  I would guess that the organizers may have
even made some money.  It is this type of event that will get more
people involved in racing rather than the megabuck, high pressure,
super expensive (entry fees) races that are more common now.  It would
be interesting to try this type of series for juniors.
--
*****************************************************************
Steve Castillo
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, NM

scastill@nmsu.edu
(505)646-3214
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Length of Races in the U.S.:  Too Short?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:20:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.024441.24877@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
>>Please also consider removing the sexual differences in section M5.
>>If I were a woman I would be extremely insulted that the longest
>>women's race allowed for the national championships is 110km, while
>>the shortest race permissible for the men is 160km!
>
>The distances were chosen to separate the top riders from the
>also-rans.  Given that there are about 1/10 as many women riders
>as men in the U.S., shorter distances are sufficient to decide
>the women's races.  More would be boring.

I can see your points Les, but I still think the overriding principle
should be that men's and women's races should be the same length.  The
running community has eventually come over to this viewpoint over a
period of many decades.  Triathlons use equal distances even though
they have a similar ratio of women competitors.  Now I realize that
there is a great inertia caused by short local races and short
international races, but I would like to see the USCF act to change
things, rather than just react to the way things are.

I also find it unfortunate that NORBA is quickly setting a precident
for shorter women's mountain bike races.

By the way, Les, I do appreciate all your efforts to reform the rules.
I hope you are not planning to retire from the Board any time soon!

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: jeff@tfs.com (Jeff Houston)
Subject: Re: Abdu?
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:40:17 GMT

In article <BuF6II.IoG@fc.hp.com> koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:
>Anybody know what ever happened to Abdujaparov (sp?)
>
>He came out of the woodwork, established himself as probably the world's
>best sprinter for a year or so, but now it seems like he's faded back
>into the woodwork again.  I didn't see any news of him in the last TdF
>or other major stage races.  Is he still around?
>
>   - steve

Abdu road this years TDF and did okay in a couple of sprint finshes early
and collected a few sprint points but never was challenging for the sprinters
green jersey.  I think he was pulled out of the race for exceeding the finish
time on the stage Andy Hampsten won.  I missed hearing Phil Ligget say
"Abdujaporov" in his special way.

Jeff

-- 

Jeff Houston			jeff@tfs.com
TRW Financial Systems
Berkeley, Ca	(510) 704-3000
From: machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Cycle to the Sun race results
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:19:30 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep15.043539.24783@news.Hawaii.Edu> lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen) writes:
>All riders who think they're too old, listen up!
>
>Cycle to the Sun, a 34-mile, 10,000-foot-climb time trial, was held
>yesterday (September 11) on the island of Maui. 
...
>The overall winner was Jim Allen of Petaluma, CA, with a time of 2:48
>AND A RACING AGE OF 42.  Allen, this year's Masters national road
>champion, was the 92nd rider to start (30 second intervals) and the
>first rider across the finish line!  Second best time was 2:57 by 
>Robert Templin, a VeloNews writer in his late 30's. 

He's one of those NorCal hammerheads, an increadible cyclist.  I've done a 
few races where the masters start after we do (Cat4) and Jim Allen comes
flying by out of no where in the middle of tha race. 

>Riding this race is more fun than
>officiating.
>
>Lisa Petersen

They always are. 
-- 

Miguel A. Ramirez, | machina@uts.amdahl.com | {sun,uunet}!amdahl!machina

From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:09:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings Classic
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing

In rec.bicycles.racing, stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???) writes:

> a specific queation about the last
> stage, Morgul Bismark.  what percent is the last climb,
> the wall, at and how long is it?

The wall is about 3/4 miles.  I'm not sure the exact distance, I haven't
measured it.

I've heard the gradient of the steepest part of the wall, near the top, is
14%.  I know it's very steep, so this number could be about right.

As to why Stenner and other beefy riders can hang on the climbs on the
Morgul Bismark, it's because the 3 hills (Wall, Hump, Feed Hill) are all 
fairly short.  Big riders can power up these hills just as well as the
pure climbers.  The Feed Hill is the longest at about 2 miles, but it
isn't very steep.  It takes a good all around rider to win on this course,
with flats, *lots* of wind, and a very steep finish.

Keith Erskine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: lenny@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Len Goodman)
Subject: Men's 5000M Pro Pursuit World Championship
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:36:36 GMT

An American (Mike McCarthy, I believe) won the Professional Men's 5000M
Pursuit at the Track World Championships.  In the finals, he beat a rider
from Great Britain who was riding the Lotus bike used to win a gold medal
in the Olympics 4000M pursuit.

  Len Goodman
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Subject: What's Up With NCCA (was: Re: NCCA Eligibility)
Organization: A&M Cycling Team, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
	<1992Sep8.023310.1724@tamsun.tamu.edu>
	<1992Sep8.165304.3944@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:04:16 GMT

Why does it seem that NCCA operates in secret?  I intend this posting to
be friendly, but I it does seem that NCCA holds meetings and decides things
without ever letting the member teams know what's going on.  I was very
surprised to just learn from an earlier followup that the NCCA Board of
Trustees is not meeting at the House of Delegates meeting as scheduled.

What, exactly, was cussed and discussed (and decided) at the last meeting,
which, I presume, was in Rome, Ga.?  Do we members have access to the
minutes of the last meeting and the agenda for the next?  My team has
some concerns that we would like addressed and we just don't feel we
have any direct voice unless, in our case, Kathy Volski (our conference
director) happens to be championing a cause which we happen to support.

Any members of the NCCA Board of Trustees care to comment on this?
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas