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From: durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows ... or perhaps alt.humor.ascii-art
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:37:29 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa
Keywords: hi tim

In article <C094IC.MFF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
>Joel has said more than enough times he's serious about this proposal. 

So?  He said he was serious about rec.games.mud.logs, too.

>Maybe
>posting ascii files related to the group he's proposing in alt.config isn't
>the right way to go about it, maybe it is. For the past week I've seen him
>post several articles about his serious intents, and I for one at least
>realize that his ascii posts are an attempt to show others the need for
>the proposed group. 

If it's an attempt, it's a *really* lame attempt.  If I want to
start an alt.games.vampire group, I don't start posting 1000 line
posts about Vampire in alt.config.  Posting stuff that would fit
the charter of the proposed group in alt.config or news.groups 
has never been a good way to convince people a group is needed.
The last time I remember seeing that kind of thing was 
misc.activism.progressive, and that didn't go over too well 
either.  Again -- Joel is either playing another joke or dumb.

>And in response I see countless numbers of people basically
>telling him to go away. Whatever he may have done in the past, please quit
>whining about it. If he's serious, which he's said that he is, then serious
>discussion is warrented. Whining won't help. 

If he's serious, given his track record, he's going to have to
prove himself before people will take him seriously.  This is a
valid attitude.  If I flunk out of university because I don't
take it seriously, they're going to be less likely to let me in
again.  Past actions count.

>If this is another joke, the
>fact that he's done it before means he'll do it again, and whining about it
>won't help. 

True enough.  It's worth making readership aware of his past
record, but I think that's been done adequately.

>The key point here is that either way, whining about it won't
>help. So if you insist on bothering the readership of two gropus, could you at
>least please have a serious discussion about the proposed group and not about
>Joel? Thank you.

Uh, yeah, I know I'm a real annoyance and I'm sure these two
discussion groups are real anxious to get back to, well, ASCII
cows.  Look, I don't think people who propose groups as a joke
should be listened to.  Joke alt groups are part of the reason
so many sites don't get the useful alt groups.  Therefore, I
think Joel's motivations *are* fit topic for discussion.  We
really don't need another group that'll serve no purpose but
another place for Joel to cross-post.

-- 
Bryant Durrell					   durrell@chop.isca.uiowa.edu
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                 I feed on the flesh of the living, and I vote.
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Summary: Why doesn't I get a keyword greeting?
Keywords: hi tim
Date: 1 Jan 93 20:36:02 GMT
Organization: Danish Trainspotter Society


  Lately I have been toying with the idea of a group devoted
to ASCII pictures. As any innocent bystander in groups like
rec.humour can witness the need for such a group is great.

  My first suggestion for a name was alt.fan.cow (naming it
the warlord way). But since that name seems to imply 
something else, we could go with alt.ascii.pictures instead.
Later the alt.ascii hiereachy could be expanded with .diagrams,
.fonts (replacing alt.fan.buaf) etc.

  Comments?

-- 
I have things to do and News to read
Xref: sparky alt.config:8149 alt.individualism:6138 alt.politics.libertarian:2930
From: s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.individualism,alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: alt.philosophy.objectivism
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:10:29 GMT
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL

In article <1992Dec24.051341.26657@mixcom.com> Adam.Costello <Adam.Costello@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
>From: Adam.Costello <Adam.Costello@mixcom.mixcom.com>
>Subject: alt.philosophy.objectivism
>Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:13:41 GMT
>Now that talk.philosophy.objectivism has failed (173 yes-votes to
>78 no-votes), the next order of business is creating
>alt.philosophy.objectivism.  If anyone out there can do this now,
>please do.  If it's not done by the time I get back to school on
>10 Jan, I'll start investigating how to do it and try to get it
>done myself.
>Thanks,
>AMC


Are you sure that wouldn't be an act of altruism? :->

reinder
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: New group proposal: alt.conservative.forum
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:16:05 GMT

jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:

>In article <BzKJH6.Az9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins) writes:
>>>: It seems to me that "politically correct" was a term originated by the
>>>: Marxists, and was used to describe their own internally acceptable thoughts
>>>: and ideas.  I'll have to do some digging and get back to you.
>>>I read that it was Feminists. 
>>...or maybe Marxist Feminists.

>     You're all wrong.  "Politically correct" was a term of
>gentle teasing and self-effacing humour used by left-wing
>activists of all sorts, until it was appropriated by the likes
>of George Will, Barbara Amiel, and Rush Limbaugh, and turned
>into a rather nasty, and humourless, insult.
>--Jamie.

I knew it!  Marxist Feminist Left-Wing Activists disguised as George Will!

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: jimp@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Powell)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:42:02 GMT

Dan Tasman (dtasman@NMSU.edu) wrote:
: Well, I created it anyhow, but because I got flamed beyond belief afterwards.   
: It might be a good idea to talk group a bit here.  (New flames sent by mail  
: will be returned to their senders ignored).  Like I said, it was already  
: created, and traffic is surprisingly high.

: Alt.culture.ny-upstate is a newsgroup intended for discussion about the people,  
: places, events and culture of the region of New York State outside the New York  
: City and Nassau/Suffolk County (Long Island) metropolitan area.  The group's  
: concept is similar to that of alt.culture.alaska and alt.culture.oregon.

: Questions that might be asked, so I'll answer them now ...

: * WHY NOT A GROUP LIMITED TO NEW YORK STATE, FOR INSTANCE NY.UPSTATE?

: There are many displaced people from Upstate New York (UNY), particularly  
: regions that were hard hit during the early 1980s recession.  Despite the large  
: amount of colleges in UNY, there are many students that attend school outside  
: the state.  Still others may have job offers from the region and want to know  
: what to expect in their future home.  Ny.* groups cannot be received outside  
: New York State.   

: * WHY NOT DISCUSS UPSTATE NEW YORK ON ALT.GREAT-LAKES?

: Alt.great-lakes is intended to deal with topics specifically related to the  
: Great Lakes.  Outside of Buffalo, Rochester, Dunkirk, Oswego and the other  
: regions along Lake Erie and Ontario, the Great Lakes plays a very small role in  
: UNY.  Incidentally, most alt.great-lakes discussions deals with Michigan.   
: Although this may be a broad generalization, people in Geneva or Binghampton  
: could care less about Frankenmuth Christmas Village or the Upper Peninsula.

: Any other questions may be answered by posting a message to the net or by  
: sending me mail.  Thank you for your consideration and interest! 

: --
:    Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
:                                                      molson@rever.nmsu.edu
:    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
:    "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
:     Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
:                                                                 Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows ... or perhaps alt.humor.ascii-art
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: hi tim
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 21:20:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.203602.5032@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>
>  Lately I have been toying with the idea of a group devoted
>to ASCII pictures. As any innocent bystander in groups like
>rec.humour can witness the need for such a group is great.
>
>  My first suggestion for a name was alt.fan.cow (naming it
>the warlord way). But since that name seems to imply 
>something else, we could go with alt.ascii.pictures instead.
>Later the alt.ascii hiereachy could be expanded with .diagrams,

I think that if we go that way, a name like alt.humor.ascii-art would be
better.  If we're going to open it up that much I think it might even have
enough traffic to go rec.humor.ascii-art.  
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Proposal:  alt.hate.lists
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:03:17 GMT


	For discussion of "I hate" lists and the positives of hate, anger
	and rage.

	Discussion would include hate-posts ("I hate that idiot with the
	glasses in my math class with the big nose and the bad hari 
	krishna style shirt BECAUSE ..."), authors (there are _plenty_
	to keep it active) of hate works, generic hate rants (I hate
	people who say, 'you need to take an economics course'), and
	new trends in hate.

	In fact, if it got busy it might be better to have:

	alt.hate.lists
	alt.hate.nouns
	alt.hate.people
...


-- 
	Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
	         ---  Boycott == censorship == cowardice  ---
	Do I even need to point out that my views do not represent
	those of my employer, institution or relations?
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal:  alt.hate.lists
Date: 1 Jan 1993 23:42:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) says:

>
>	For discussion of "I hate" lists and the positives of hate, anger
>	and rage.
>
>	Discussion would include hate-posts ("I hate that idiot with the
>	glasses in my math class with the big nose and the bad hari 
>	krishna style shirt BECAUSE ..."), authors (there are _plenty_
>	to keep it active) of hate works, generic hate rants (I hate
>	people who say, 'you need to take an economics course'), and
>	new trends in hate.
>
>	In fact, if it got busy it might be better to have:
>
>	alt.hate.lists
>	alt.hate.nouns
>	alt.hate.people
>...
>
>
>-- 
>	Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
>	         ---  Boycott == censorship == cowardice  ---
>	Do I even need to point out that my views do not represent
>	those of my employer, institution or relations?
>



I can see this group turning into alt.flame.partII.
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.society.folklore unmoderation fails 729:151
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:40:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <JAAPJL.92Dec22171739@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov>, jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap) writes:

> Following is an example $1 bill:

> You owe me $1.  Please pay by 31 Dec 1992.

> ;-)  Isn't the language rich!

Rich who?

Terry
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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
From: durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows ... or perhaps alt.humor.ascii-art
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:23:44 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa
Keywords: hi tim

In article <1993Jan1.212033.25526@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>I think that if we go that way, a name like alt.humor.ascii-art would be
>better.  If we're going to open it up that much I think it might even have
>enough traffic to go rec.humor.ascii-art.  

(Joel didn't get it last time.)

Joel, if you want to get taken seriously, you must stop doing
things like proposing joke groups (to the extent of a CFV)
and posting ASCII art in alt.config.  Every time you do 
something like that, you hurt every other cause that you
champion.  People will assume that you are either malicious
or stupid.

-- 
Bryant Durrell					   durrell@chop.isca.uiowa.edu
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                 I feed on the flesh of the living, and I vote.
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.society.folklore unmoderation fails 729:151
Followup-To: alt.config
Date: 22 Dec 1992 22:17:35 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<42730@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <1992Dec20.200542.17556@sq.sq.com>
	<1992Dec21.125200.1@vms.cis.pitt.edu>
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu's message of 21 Dec 92 17:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.125200.1@vms.cis.pitt.edu> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

   You think nobody replies to "flame-bait"?  Sheesh!  I get more e-mail in a day
   than Craig_Shergold@vms.cis.pitt.edu gets post-cards in a week.  BTW: Craig
   is no longer dying and asks for your cooperation in stopping this urban legend.
   He asks that whenever you see the Craig Shergold urban legend you would change
   "Craig Shergold" to "Terry Wood" and "Business Cards" to "$1 bills (or more)".

Following is an example $1 bill:

You owe me $1.  Please pay by 31 Dec 1992.

;-)  Isn't the language rich!

--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:22:38 -0500

In article <1992Dec30.211718.2004@leland.Stanford.EDU>, alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson) writes:
> In article <1992Dec20.145029.5468@pollux.lu.se>, magnus@thep (Magnus Olsson) writes:
>>[Note crossposting! The a.f.c crowd may be interested in this...]
>>
>>May I suggest alt.os.multics, or possibly
>>alt.folklore.computers.multics instead?
>
> Or how about *alt.sys.multics* like the already-extant alt.sys.pdp8?

The PDP-8 is a computer not an OS like multics...
--
James Harvey
harvey@iupui.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:20:58 GMT

bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) writes:

>That's right...sho 'nuff is big.... 2nd biggest ya don't say?  yep that's a
>biggie all right...some might even say huge...thanks for 'th info Aaron,
>'twas a big help.

You wouldn't by any chance be related to Bruce Becker, would you?  Or do
you just share his hairy.douchebag attitude?

BTW, do you really think its appropriate for someone from NASA to be
making obnoxious comments about receiving help?  It's that sort of
attitude that's made your agency look so grand over the last few years.

Give the McAuliffe's my warmest holiday greetings.

--Aaron

Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: New group proposal: alt.conservative.forum
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:19:46 GMT

In article <BzKJH6.Az9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins) writes:
>>: It seems to me that "politically correct" was a term originated by the
>>: Marxists, and was used to describe their own internally acceptable thoughts
>>: and ideas.  I'll have to do some digging and get back to you.
>>I read that it was Feminists. 
>...or maybe Marxist Feminists.

     You're all wrong.  "Politically correct" was a term of
gentle teasing and self-effacing humour used by left-wing
activists of all sorts, until it was appropriated by the likes
of George Will, Barbara Amiel, and Rush Limbaugh, and turned
into a rather nasty, and humourless, insult.

--Jamie.
Xref: sparky alt.config:8144 alt.folklore.computers:18312
From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What about alt.os.multics? (was: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?)
Keywords: group creation alt
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:04:42 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

In article <1992Dec23.105605.3500@pollux.lu.se> magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:
>In article <z-t2_za@rpi.edu> multics@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu (Multics) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec20.145029.5468@pollux.lu.se> magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:
>>...
>>>The name alt.fan.multics is *bad*, though, because all the other
>>>alt.fan.* groups are about people in show biz; it would lead the
>>>newbies to believe that multics was a pop group :-).
>>
>>Actually the item that prompted me to suggest this was the new group
>>alt.fan.mts (Michigan Terminal System) and os still used here at RPI.
>
>Oh, I didn't know that - thanks for telling me. That newsgroup looks
>pretty interesting... 
>
>But this points out a drawback with putting a multics groups in the
>alt.fan hierarchy: I had no idea whatsoever that this group was about
>an operating system! The alt.fan hierarchy is one of the worst parts
>of alt in terms of the number of spurious and non-serious groups, and
>any new group runs a big risk of drowning in the noise. 
>
>BTW; I retract my earlier statement about all alt.fan groups being
>about people in show biz since that's simply not true; alt.fan.lemurs,
>alt.fan.bruce-becker and alt.fan.mts being good counterexamples.

Alt.fan.* is not a "sewer" per se.  Fandom in the real world is weird at
times, wacky, chaotic, etc.  Any person who saw teenage girls flinging
themselves against a wall of hired muscle at a Beatles concert to try to
get near the Fab Four should know how fans get.  What do you expect
alt.fan.* to be like?  The very nature of the human instinct toward fandom
imposes a certain disorder and spontanenity on any assemblage of fans in
one place.

Alt.fan.lemurs, alt.fan.letterman, etc. are all very interesting groups
that seem to be quite at home there.  Perhaps it's the
alt.fan.bruce.woodcock and alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia groups that you find
so disgusting since they never go through the alt.config approval process.

But nevertheless, I agree, alt.fan.multics would be inappropriately named.
I think alt.os.multics would be a good starting point for Multics discussions.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
From: multics@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu (Multics)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?
Keywords: group creation alt
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:28:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.145029.5468@pollux.lu.se> magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:
...
>The name alt.fan.multics is *bad*, though, because all the other
>alt.fan.* groups are about people in show biz; it would lead the
>newbies to believe that multics was a pop group :-).

Actually the item that prompted me to suggest this was the new group
alt.fan.mts (Michigan Terminal System) and os still used here at RPI.
>
>May I suggest alt.os.multics, or possibly
>alt.folklore.computers.multics instead? 

I like alt.os.multics.  I did consider something in the more formal area
such as comp.os.multics or rec.os.multics, but I'm not sure if there is
enough interest for those groups.  If enough people think I should work
toward one of those, instead of an alt group, I'll hunt up the rules
and see about getting the procedures done to try for a rec or comp group.

-- 
A good bureaucracy is the best tool of oppression ever invented.
Richard Shetron   USERFXLG@rpi.mts.edu  multics@clotho.acm.rpi.edu

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.questions
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:50:31 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser") writes:

>Hmmmm.  Sounds like a wonderful idea, but I have to wonder how many questions
>will ever get answered....

Don't we have alt.answers for that?

-- 
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#define  TRUE   0  |
#define  FALSE  1  |  "You have been recruited by the Star League to defend
#endif             |     the Frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada."
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tom_van_vleck@taligent.com (Tom Van Vleck)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
Organization: Taligent Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:38:23 GMT

Magnus Olsson wrote:
> May I suggest alt.os.multics, or possibly
> alt.folklore.computers.multics instead? 

Either would be fine with me. Maybe both: the first for technical topics
and the second for anecdotes & stories.
How many Multics systems are still running in the world?

tom <tom_vanvleck@taligent.com>