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From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: What is "Sexual Orientation"?
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:32:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.171708.28342@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
    >(phil) /Secondly, real estate law has been dramatically
    >affected by /the last case. /A whole new set of forms exist
    >that the seller must now /fill out aimed explicitly at that
    >very kind of case. Not only are /you dishonest, but very
    >ignorant as well.
    >
    >No; sorry. I worked in real estate financing (Washington
    >Mutual Savings Bank, Bellevue, Washington) before I entered
    >the software industry; there were no such "haunted house"
    >forms.
    >
    >You are wrong, and quite possibly a deliberate liar.

Hate to tell you this old chap, but, shudder, *gasp*, REAL ESTATE LAWS
DIFFER FROM STATE TO STATE.

I sold a townhouse 1 year ago.

This was one of the new forms, that, as my broker (note, broker) said
was becoming very common in just about all the states. I had to
state that I was disclosing all such conditions about the house and
its reputation.

Now, want to retract your namecalling?

Better yet, want to bet the form exists? Say, $100???

Care to put your money where your mouth is?


...


Naw, I didn't think you would.

-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Hospital Study Suggests Gays Are Very Unlikely To Be Molesters
Keywords: cia, fda, kill file, osi, dea, Bush is a traitor
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:01:08 GMT

In article <8440.14501@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:

>In article <2OCT92.13392908@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>
>>In a previous article, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) wrote:
>>
>>>DENVER (AP)---A child is 100 times more likely to be molested by a
>>>family member than a homosexual, a new study shows.
>>
>>Well, obviously a homosexual cannot be a family member.
>
>So ... are we to take this sarcastically?

Yes.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.motss,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Extent of Antigay Discrimination in CA Was (Re: UPI: Wilson signs gay employment rights bill)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:09:12 GMT

In article <12575@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <9209282239.AA21552@client.its.rpi.edu>, buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>> "Copyright 1992 by UPI.
>> Reposted with permission from the ClariNet Electronic Newspaper newsgroup
>> clari.news.group.gays.  For more info on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or
>> phone 1-800-USE-NETS."
>> 
>> 	When Wilson vetoed AB101 last year, he argued that homosexuals were
>> already protected from job discrimination under a broad interpretation
>> of the state's labor code. Wilson ordered his labor commissioner,
>> Victoria Bradshaw, to accept discrimination complaints against
>> homosexuals several weeks later after a state appeal court upheld that
>> interpretation of the law.
>> 	Since then, 87 gays and lesbians have filed discrimination complaints
>> with Bradshaw's office. The parties have settled in 10 of the cases, and
>> 38 are under investigation, spokesman John Duncan said.
>> 	Four complaints by homosexuals were found valid, and 17 were
>> adjudicated in favor of the employer, Duncan said.
>
>> vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
>
>This certainly gives us an idea how many homophobic employers there
>are in California.
>
>In one year, in a state with 30 million people, a total of 87 complaints
>have been filed -- based on the 4:17 win/loss ratio, we can assume
>that of the 56 complaints outstanding, there will be a total of 17
>cases of antigay discrimination in one whole year.
>
>This tells me that the homosexual fascist lobby's delusions of how
>homophobes run all the companies, all the apartment buildings, etc.,
>is just delusion.
>
>This is really about suppressing free speech.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I may have completely misunderstood where you're coming from
and what you're all about......if I have then a public apology
will be posted...but I'm just not sure about you bud.
>
>-- 
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>Bush: War on Drugs, tax cut->bigger deficit.  Clinton: War on Drugs, spending
>increase->bigger deficit.  What a great choice.

Len
--
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The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on... 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:52:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.013321.414@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>
>Roe v. Wade is unrestricted abortion-on-demand throughout the
>term of pregnancy.  The Supreme Court ruled that the states may
>prohibit abortion during the third trimester except when the 
>abortion is necessary to preserve the woman's "health" or life, 
>but they gave "health" a very broad definition, including emotional 
>and psychological health.  Thus women can obtain abortions
>throughout the term of pregnancy for practically any reason.

For those of you in talk.politics.misc who haven't yet met him, I'd like
to introduce Doug Holtsinger.

As you can see from the paragraph above, Doug likes to post things which
are obviously not true.  He also likes to post portions of quotes out of
context, and likes to delete vital information from easily verifiable quotes
in an attempt to change the meaning.

Welcome back, DOD.  How's Wavey Davy doing?
--
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= "I warned Larry about such intellectually dishonest posting."               =
=    -- Peter Nyikos in article <nyikos.717105984@milo.math.scarolina.edu>    =
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: What is "Sexual Orientation"?
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:02:33 GMT


In article <12563@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

|> In article <1992Sep29.183353.979@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writ
|> # No; it is not.  You have a fundamentally flawed understanding of the
|> # data if you believe that.  The statistical relationship is between risky 
|> # behavior patterns and AIDS.  Period.  End of argument. 
|> 
|> Your ignorance is showing.  Also, the risky behavior hasn't changed.
|> For starters, the risks from sodomy are dramatically higher than
|> from vaginal sex -- this is why there are so few cases of vaginal
|> sex transmitting the disease, except from prostitutes with vaginal
|> lesions.

The majority of AIDS cases worldwide are *not* associated
with same-sex sexual relations, and the majority of same-sex
sexual relations do not involve anal sex.

|> # 
|> # You still have not proven how gay sex is a public threat.
|> 
|> Because homosexual sex has played a major part (along with IV
|> drug abuse) in transmitting AIDS.

Not as great a part as heterosexual sexual relations.
  
-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
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From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:34:57 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = (Steven Arnold) writes:
>> = (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>>> = Jim McMasters:

[...]
>>> they start with the "rape, incest and life of the mother" exceptions,
>>> though, I believe they are more interested in punishing the mother for
>>> daring to have sex than in preserving a human life.

I agree completely.  Listen to these "...if they'd just kept their legs
together" idiots just on t.a.

>> Once again I have to point out that right-to-lifers do not want to punish 
>> women for having sex, any more than people who denounce terrorism want to 
>> punish minorities for taking an interest in politics, O.K.? 

STUPID analogy, and of COURSE you're punishing the woman if you'd force
her to give birth against her will.  Dress it up all you want; the
stench still wafts free.

>	Well put.  It is no more punishment to require a woman to fulfil her
>parental responsibilities than it is punishment to require one who signed an
>enlistment contract to go to boot camp, or to require one who injures 
>another in a car accident to do everything possible to save the life and 
>health of the one injured.

I hate to *prick* your bubble, but there is no goddamned "contract"
signed, and the woman has NOT agreed to become pregnant just by having sex
except in your feverishly puritannical mind.  Maybe you dopes are
convincing each other, but in a real debate you'd be bleeding on the
floor.  Like a woman getting a botched, illegal abortion.

>	BTW, life of the mother and rape exceptions are CONSISTENT exceptions. 

They're hypocritical exceptions.  As Jim stated above, you obviously
care more for imaginary bullshit "contracts" and punishing women for
having sex then you do the fetus you shed so many crocodile tears over.

>Incest, if it was also rape, is consistent as well; but allowing abortions for
>children incestuously conceived between two consenting adults would be an
>INCONSISTENT exception (and therefore one I would oppose).

Huh?  What kind of dumbass statement is this?  Can you give an example
of "incestuously conceived between two consenting adults"?  Maybe you have
a real-life example you could share with us.

Arnold, you haven't changed.  Dense as a lead pipe.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.marrou
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Media coverage for Marrou/Lord (call these #'s!)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:56:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <BvnMy7.90C@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>  First of all, no L.P. presidential candidate has ever exceeded 1%
>>  of the vote, so even if Marrou/Lord are doing that well this year
>>  and Perot is only doing 7% then Perot is still doing *7 times as
>>  well* as Marrou/Lord!   I would say that this IS "much better".
>
>Perot has never exceeded 0% of the vote.

  Neither have Marrou/Lord but don't be petty: the original poster
  said that Perot was not doing much better than Marrou/Lord.  I
  think it's reasonable to expect some basis for this claim.   


>While Libertarians are the only party that wish this were so, it is not.
>The media is regulated out the ying-yang. 

  The broadcast media are not regulated as to political content and 
  there are no regulations about the print media.


>                                     Ever heard of "equal time for
>opposing views when a network/newspaper/radio station gives commentary?"

  There is no equal time law for print media and the one for broadcast
  media is much weaker than it used to be (good thing, IMO).
        

---peter




Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Jack S Defends MLKing Slur (Was: ARF DEFENDS HIS HONOR)
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:44:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.200053.25018@rock.concert.net> bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
>In article <BvIAAp.3As@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct2.030642.1735@netnews.alf.dec.com> harry@netnews.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct1.023319.2619@cs.brown.edu>,
>>>dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>>>
>	Greetings,
>
>	This has to be some of the funniest material that I
>have seen in years. Any student of the civil rights and
>human rights movement know of Dr. King`s contribution to the
>betterment of humanity. Hundreds of years for now he will
>still be remembered and honored while Jack and Duke will be
>just what they are, farts in the wind.
>
>	Carter
>
>
>--
> "The oak sleeps in the acorn, the gaint sequoia sleeps in it`s tiny seed,
>  the bird waits in the egg and God waits for his unfolding in man."
>       Funkadelic                       bing@concert.net 

Carter,

  Yes, this is true but the problem for us (in the present) is that barf and
duke are extremely smelly farts.  Even if you know the will eventulally go away
they still stink.

-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.marrou
From: tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu (tom)
Subject: Re: Media coverage for Marrou/Lord (call these #'s!)
Organization: The Lab Rats
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.180725.3455@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:

}>"For months, CompuServe Information Service has excluded
}>Marrou from the list of candidates in their on-line
}>poll," remarked Dasbach. "Finally, in late August, he
}>was included. The most recent results (9/11/92); Bush
}>43%, Clinton 42%, Marrou 5%, Someone Else 3%, No One 1%,
}>Undecided 5%."

}OK, one out of twenty users of CompuServe like Marrou.
}Better than nothing, but this is far from a randomly
}selected sample.  A poll taken at the local survivalist
}convention would probably show wild and enthusiastic
}support for Bo Gritz.

no one claimed that this poll was scientific. since it was a self-selected
sample it is likely to be somewhat biased, but since each participant
was limited to one vote (per CompuServe account) it is still more useful
than many other kinds of unscientific polls, such as the call in votes
where a group (or one person with a modem can totally distort the
results by calling repeatedly.

}Since most national polls show Clinton with a 9 to 15
}point lead over Bush, but the CompuServe poll shows
}Bush leading Clinton, this poll looks totally spurrious.

one point is hardly a lead. and it is probably a fairly accurate
reflection of the views of compuserve users. i'd guess that it means
that compuserve users are less likely to believe clinton's bullshit
economics then the general population.

-- 
tom@udel.edu                                        ...!{gateway}!udel!tom
tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu           UDel: School of Life and Health Sciences
Libertarian candidate for Delaware House of Representatives, 23rd District

"Themes were useless; Destiny was here, and the foot pedals were bleeding."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Challenging Thoughts....
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:12:51 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
]
]  A not unreasonable position. Conception seems 
] to be the earliest defineable moment. The fact that reasonable, decent
] people disagree does not imply that the Church should not pursue a
] campaign to have its ethical positions codified into law. It may not
] be the wisest choice -- but it is coherent and serious and grounded 
] in respect for life. Good Catholic politicians have long had to 
] wrangle with the political complexities of the issue: Catholic women
] get abortions, women got abortions prior to Roe v. Wade, the Church
] has  a history of living side-by-side with other morally dubious
] laws etc. I wish that some solution could appear which would gather 
] a consensus on stricter limits to bring the moral weight of society
] to bear to both convince women to carry difficult pregnancies to term
] and to create social conditions which would make raising a child less
] difficult. The number of abortions is not the only measure of the
] failings of society: the number of orphans, foster children, and
] neglected children is also a measure.



I shall forgo the usual response to the proposition
that 'conception is the earliest definable moment'
as being clearly a call to DeHumanize Other PotentialPersons....

I think that the KEY Point of VALUE is resolving the
problems that Jeff lists at the end of the segment.

IF we can learn to do something with the Actually
Born, Actually PRESENT persons, the uniquivically
Human Persons,

THEN
we may find that arguing about the matter of ensoulment
and the delineation of Potential Persons will be an
exercise worth the candle.

The problem remains, though, that this, in the main,
is NOT the actual position of those who are advocates
of the AntiAbortionist Rhetoric.

I think that we can all Agree that the Matter will
be Moot when the 'need for an abortion is removed'
and that this will be the best method, overall,
of resolving THAT SPECIFIC POINT of the debate.

It will NOT resolve the other question:

1. the nature of women in society

2. the seperation of church and state

3. the nature of a pluralistic society as a republic

4. the utility of sexuality as a means of validating personal worth


etc, etc, etc....

ciao
drieux


-- 
Modern Day Problems:

Entropy, Its not Just a Good Idea,
IT's The LAW!!!!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:55:18 -0400 
From: Andrew Lewis Tepper <at15+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Analysis of FBI Digital Line Tap Proposal

I'll skip the math since this is a politics board...

The proposed new wiretap law may sound good to a legislator, but
technically it's possible to exchange information in a public forum
(tapped phone line, BBS, etc) without disclosing the content of the
message. The trick is to agree on a common "key", and then use that key
to encrypt the message. With a clever trick, two people can in fact
agree on a key, and prevent an evesdropper from learning it.

My question is: would it be illegal to use this method? What if I write
a communications program that incorporates it? In fact, are there
certain programs that it's illegal to write?!

Andy

E-mail me if you're curious about how to agree on a key. (Tech details.)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: This dang veto thingy... (If I may paraphrase the Rossman)
Summary: lies, damn lies, and...statistics
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:49:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.innumeracy
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <9209300400.AA00426@tba.msi.cornell.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> The Decline of America: America "Stands Tall" in U.N. Vetoes since 1980

	1) You have to assume that vetos are bad
and
	2) You have to say "since 1980" because the XSSR holds the overall
record.

	Even the Noamster does it:

> The U.S. is far in the lead in the past 20 years in Security
				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Never mind that the council has been meeting for 45 years now :).

        So, who sends the most food to the rest of the world?

        Why, we do!  We're #1!
:)
Brett
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:15:34 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen) writes:

: Thanks for the answer.  It was what I expected.  Your concern
: over abortion has nothing to do with concerns over the fetus.  You do not
: consider it murder.  You are only concerned with a woman's sexual
: responsibility.  That is morality legislation, and doesn't fit the
: legal model I desire for the US.

Now, if only other people would realize that this is a Good Thought (tm)....

--
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Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
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Marrou/Lord in '92



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: If you don't want Perot:  Bend over to the Republocrats.
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:09:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.202926.21348@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
         ......
>
>As to HRP's "plan", he is willing to balance the budget in
>a few years by massive tax increases and draconian budget cuts.
>Doing this in such a short time frame would likely send the
>US into a major depression.  Most of the economics professionals
>in this country could come up with a better "plan" than this;
>but since they don't have massive personal fortunes,
>they won't be heard.
>To me, the deficit is just not that much of a problem.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         


The national debt is 4 Trillion dollars. Each year we add about
300 billion to this figure with no end in sight. Wake up and
smell the coffee.

John
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,soc.singles,alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.bizarre
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: I hereby declare...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:19:14 GMT

I hereby declare drieux the winner of the 
  Person who has created the most 'threads' or new subject headings in
     the last few days.

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