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From: senty@sunade2.EBay.Sun.COM (J Senthilnathan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Subject: Re: X.400 over TCP/IP
Date: 1 Sep 1992 03:34:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: senty@sunade2.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunade2.ebay.sun.com

In article 7531@monmouth.edu, c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>
>	On thing that I should have said and didn't: I need the X.400 over
>TCP/IP to run on an IBM PC compat running MS-DOS.  :(
>	Sorry for the confusion, and thanks to all those that have replied,
>but does anybody have any ideas with this lastest chunk in mind?

Hello,

I gave a reference to the company I work for in India for the same query earlier.  They are 
currently building a UA over a DOS-XT with Excelan's TCP-IP card for the Ethernet.
Earlier I had performed a port of ISODE onto DOS and the UA is designed over it.
An MTA gateway over MS-Windows is also planned.

The contact address :

Mr. S Ravi Shankar
CMC Limited
115 Sarojini Devi Road
Secunderabad 500 003
INDIA

email : datacom@cmch.ernet.in
From: cos!tango!atm@uunet.uu.net ("Amy T. Morris")
Subject: OSINET T&R Database
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL6]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:16:59 GMT

To Tony Salty Dog Goulding,

My name is Amy Morris and I work for OSINET.  I am the administrator
of the OSINET T&R Database.  This database is available for public
access (and has been since last year).  Currently, you can access
the database either by modem at 703-846-8586, or over X.25 at
31342023004615.

As of July 20, the T&R Database contains 165 proven successful
interoperability results between 17 vendors with 62 OSI products
(39 FTAM and 23 MHS).

On January 1, 1992, the database was opened for non-member
registrations.  Any vendor's product that has successfully
passed the pair-wise interoperatability testing using the
OSIone test scripts can be registered in the database.
Also, these tests are on the GOSIP MOT register.

The following documents are available by request:
	T&R User's Guide
	OSIone MHS Stable Interoperability Tests
	OSIone FTAM Stable Interoperability Tests
	OSINET Database of Interoperability Results, July 20, 1992
	T&R Database Registration Procedures

If you would like any of these documents, or if you have any
questions, please contact me at the address below.

Thanks,
Amy


| Amy Morris		          | E-mail: atm@cos.com     |
| OSINET Corporation	          | Phone: 703-205-2797     |
| 8260 Willow Oaks Corporate Dr.  | Fax:   703-846-8590     |
| Fairfax, VA  22031	          |              	    |
From: hta@boheme.er.sintef.no (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: Domain Defined Attribs Required ?
Reply-To: harald.alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Norway
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:37:28 GMT

The 1991 versions of the European ENVs made these mandatory as well.
So, if they claim to support ENV 41201 or ENV 41202, and do not know
which version of them they support, you have rope for the hanging.
-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Harald.Alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
C=no;PRMD=uninett;O=sintef;OU=delab;S=alvestrand;G=harald
+47 7 59 70 94
From: Stef@nma.com (Einar Stefferud)
Subject: Re: Domain Defined Attribs Required ?
In-reply-to: Your message of 25 Aug 1992 13:51:08 -0500.
             <1992Aug25.135108.56@taney.uscghq.uscg.mil>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Reply-To: Stef@nma.com
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:11:04 GMT

It is an interesting part of the hnistory of X.400 that a defect
report sometime around 1989 was adopted which in fact made the support
of DDAs manadatory in the base stanadards.  This has been slow to
percolate to products.  I am not sure whether all the rgional
workshops have included this as manadatory by now or not.  this is an
interesting question.

But, it is now clear in the base standards that the DDA is mandatory.

UNISYS has historically (hysterically?) taken the position that the
DDA is not required ansd should not be supported, apparently in the
interests of improved interworking.

UNISYS customers should gang up on them and get it fixed.

Cheers...\Stef
From: jay@gateway.mitre.org ("Jay G. Rosansky")
Subject: qmgr :unknown application entity
Full-Name: Jay G. Rosansky
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:59:54 GMT

Can someone help me with this? I installed Wolongong isode 7.0 over
A/UX 3.0B.  When I try to execute the qmgr  of the MH I get the
following response:

/usr/mhs/cmds : qmgr &
[2] 26950
/usr/mhs/cmds : starting
zed-pp-qmgr: unknown application-entity

[2]    Exit 1               qmgr


where zed is the name of my computer and my MH.
Many thanks in advance for any helpful pointers.

Jay Rosansky
MITRE Corp.

P.S. Please send all replies direct to jay@mitre.org.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
From: toby@icl.co.nz (Toby Bradwell)
Subject: Re: X.400 over TCP/IP
Reply-To: toby@nezsupp.icl.co.nz (Toby Bradwell)
Organization: Fujitsu ICL NZ Ltd, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:54:32 GMT

In article <7510@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>
>	I have a requirement to come up with an implementation of X.400
>that will run over TCP/IP.  Does anybody have any suggestions? (Comercial
>products, PD products, whatever comes to mind)
>

Some immediately come to mind:

(Public Domain) - Postman Pat - uses ISODE as it's transport mechanism
                                also acts as an SMTP gateway.

(Commercial) -    ICL's OFFICEPOWER - This is a fully integrated Office
                                information system.  Fairly platform
                                specific (Sun, ICL DRS6000, DRS3000, IBM
                                RS6000, SCO).

Toby
-- 
Toby Bradwell,  Networked Systems, Fujitsu NZ Ltd (inc ICL NZ)  toby@icl.co.nz
"I would be perfectly happy with vinyl phonograph records"
    -- William Gibson
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
From: vijay@cylink.COM (Siravara Vijay)
Subject:  X.400 - Resources
Organization: Cylink Corp.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:58:04 GMT

I am getting my feet wet on this (X.400) standard.  The only source I have is
the CCITT standards.  Can any body please give me some references on
this subject.  I would also like to know if there is an implementation
available in public domain. I am very much interested in an implementation 
on an embeded system.
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Subject: Re: X.400 over TCP/IP
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:07:26 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764


	On thing that I should have said and didn't: I need the X.400 over
TCP/IP to run on an IBM PC compat running MS-DOS.  :(
	Sorry for the confusion, and thanks to all those that have replied,
but does anybody have any ideas with this lastest chunk in mind?

				Thanks!

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From: senty@sunade2.EBay.Sun.COM (J Senthilnathan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Subject: Re: X.400 over TCP/IP
Date: 1 Sep 1992 03:24:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: senty@sunade2.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunade2.ebay.sun.com

In article <7510@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>
>	I have a requirement to come up with an implementation of X.400
>that will run over TCP/IP.  Does anybody have any suggestions? (Comercial
>products, PD products, whatever comes to mind)
>

There is a company in India which is precisely doing this - they are using ISODE over
which an MTA and UA are designed.  It is commercial.   You can contact :

Mr S Ravishankar
CMC Limited
115 Sarojini Devi Road
Secunderabad
INDIA 500 003

email : datacom@cmch.ernet.in
From: roseberry@taney.uscghq.uscg.mil
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Subject: Domain Defined Attribs Required ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:51:08 EST
Organization: United States Coast Guard


	We have a product from UNISYS that claims to be X.400
	compliant but it does *NOT* support DDAs (Domain Defined
	Attributes).  This is a problem for us because in some
	cases (such as sending a TELEX) our Packet Switched Data
	Network company, who provides us connectivity to the
	"outside world", requires DDAs be entered in our addresses
	as we compose them on the UNISYS in mail.

	So my question is, are DDAs a required part of the X.400
	mail standard and do the actual specifications call for 
	them or are they optional ?

	Bert Roseberry
	US Coast Guard

	roseberry@taney.uscghq.uscg.mil
From: jay@gateway.mitre.org ("Jay G. Rosansky")
Subject: Re: qmgr :unknown application
Full-Name: Jay G. Rosansky
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:00:16 GMT

Sorry for the mistake. Please send responses to jay@yawl.mitre.org not
to jay@mitre.org.

Thanks again,
Jay Rosansky
MITRE Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at (Prakash Mishra)
Subject: DEC X.25 for Ultrix 4.2 (for ISODE-FTAM 7.0)
Keywords: X.25 accounting
Organization: Center of Academic Networking, Vienna, Austria
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:50:57 GMT

There has been a strange behaviour of the MicroVax running under Ultrix 4.2
after the Installation of DEC X.25 software. One can login only as root
although users are still intact. If trying to login as a user other than root
the machine protests saying "No directories!" and says that it could 
not find the /bin/csh. If logging in as root this problem doesnot arise.
Did I miss something very elementary while installing the X.25? To the 
best of my knowledge, no - as I have double confirmed and checked it.
All directories of the users are there as usual.


Is it possible that Ultrix 4.2 was not installed properly?

Any comments are most welcome and thank you!


-- 
|~~~~| MISHRA Prakash Chandra
|    | Centre of Academic Networking                  Tel: +43 1 58801 x-3621
|    | Technical University, Vienna             email: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at 
|    | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at (Prakash Mishra)
Subject: DEC X.25 for Ultrix 4.2 (for ISODE-FTAM 7.0)
Keywords: X.25 accounting
Organization: Center of Academic Networking, Vienna, Austria
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:34:56 GMT

There has been a strange behaviour of the MicroVax running under Ultrix 4.2
after the Installation of DEC X.25 software. One can login only as root
although users are still intact. If trying to login as a user other than root
the machine protests saying "No directories!" and says that it could 
not find the /bin/csh. If logging in as root this problem doesnot arise.
Did I miss something very elementary while installing the X.25? To the 
best of my knowledge, no - as I have double confirmed and checked it.
All directories of the users are there as usual.


Is it possible that Ultrix 4.2 was not installed properly?

Any comments are most welcome and thank you!


|~~~~| MISHRA Prakash Chandra
|    | Centre of Academic Networking                  Tel: +43 1 58801 x-3621
|    | Technical University, Vienna             email: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at 
|    | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
|~~~~  Truth is like a river dividing into arms which reunite again, islanded 
||~~~  again, islanded between the arms inhabitants argue for the life time- 
|||\/|  "Which is the main river?"                         ------ Anonymous
|||  |  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
||
|'~~~


-- 
|~~~~| MISHRA Prakash Chandra
|    | Centre of Academic Networking                  Tel: +43 1 58801 x-3621
|    | Technical University, Vienna             email: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at 
|    | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at (Prakash Mishra)
Subject: DEC X.25 for Ultrix 4.2 (for ISODE-FTAM 7.0)
Keywords: X.25 accounting
Organization: Center of Academic Networking, Vienna, Austria
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:53:53 GMT

There has been a strange behaviour of the MicroVax running under Ultrix 4.2
after the Installation of DEC X.25 software. One can login only as root
although users are still intact. If trying to login as a user other than root
the machine protests saying "No directories!" and says that it could 
not find the /bin/csh. If logging in as root this problem doesnot arise.
Did I miss something very elementary while installing the X.25? To the 
best of my knowledge, no - as I have double confirmed and checked it.
All directories of the users are there as usual.


Is it possible that Ultrix 4.2 was not installed properly?

Any comments are most welcome and thank you!


|~~~~| MISHRA Prakash Chandra
|    | Centre of Academic Networking                  Tel: +43 1 58801 x-3621
|    | Technical University, Vienna             email: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at 
|    | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
|~~~~  Truth is like a river dividing into arms which reunite again, islanded 
||~~~  again, islanded between the arms inhabitants argue for the life time- 
|||\/|  "Which is the main river?"                         ------ Anonymous
|||  |  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
||
|'~~~




-- 
|~~~~| MISHRA Prakash Chandra
|    | Centre of Academic Networking                  Tel: +43 1 58801 x-3621
|    | Technical University, Vienna             email: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at 
|    | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: olav@lulea.trab.se (Olav Lindberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
Subject: ISODE-PEPSY
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:40:40 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 + PL4

We are investigating the possibilities of using the PEPSY program of the ISODE
for encoding/decoding.

Now my questions are:

* Is there anybody out there who has tried using the PEPSY program, and if so:

- Are there any restrictions/problems/bugs that you have come across?

- Any other information that could be useful?


 Thanks in advance!!

*************************************
  Olav Lindberg
  TELIA RESEARCH
  Aurorum 6
  951 74 Lule}
  SWEDEN

*************************************
From: bourd@borzoi.cps.msu.edu (Robert Bourdeau)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
Subject: Looking for ISODE information
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:39:10 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University

Can anyone point me towards detailed information
on ISODE. I would like all the information I can get.
I see that a lot of discussion about ISODE gets kept
at nic.ddn.mil but I can't find a guide, documentation,
source code, etc.

--- Bob

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: gram@aim1.aztec.co.za (Graham Wheeler)
Subject: Estelle PEW system
Organization: Aztec Information Management
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:25:40 GMT

Hi all

A couple of weeks back I posted about my Estelle tools that I had developed.
Unfortunately I have had loads of work in the last while, and am about to
rush off on a business trip for a week or two, so I have not posted the
system yet (I cannot do it from Aztec, as we are not on the Internet; I
either have to drive up to the University or dial-up, and at 2400 baud I'm
not prepared to do this for a 500kb file. So patience please! I will post 
as soon as I get a chance when I get back. Most likely I will upload the
system to Simtel and just post an announcement.

'Till then...
-- 
Graham Wheeler                     | "That which is weak conquers the strong,
Software Systems Engineer/Student  | that which is soft conquers the hard."
Aztec Information Management/UCT   | 		Lao Tzu - Tao Te Ching Ch. 78
gram@aim1.aztec.co.za / gram@cs.uct.ac.za
From: eric@sfu.ca (Eric Kolotyluk)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
Subject: Directory Information Base (DIB) Implementation
Keywords: ISODE, QUIPU, DIB
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:38:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Aug28.203851.2365
Reply-To: eric@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, School of Computing Science

For my master's thesis I am planning on investigating techniques for the
implementation of Directory Information Bases.  As a bench-mark I would like
to compare my work against QUIPU's DIB implementation for a couple of reasons:

1) QUIPU is probably the most well-known implementation.

2) If possible, I would like to try to improve the performance of QUIPU and
   contribute the my results back to the ISODE community.

If people have an interest in this work and/or can provide me with information
and references to related work, I would greatly appreciate it if you could
contact me by e-mail.

I have already done some investigation on implementing an OSI Directory Information
Base using existing database tools: ObjectStore from Objective Designs Inc. and
Sybase (both commercial products).  My main thesis is that it should be possible
to do at least as well or better using existing database systems to implement a
DIB.  Also there are additional advantages to using existing DB tools than a
custom DIB implementation.

Some of the goals include:

a) Reduced start-up time.  I'm quite confident I can eliminate the long start-up
   time for QUIPU to load all the EDB files.

b) Reduced update/insertion time.  I'm also confident I can reduce the time it
   takes to add or change information in the DIB.

c) Improved access time.  This is the really interesting area--since both database
   systems are disk-based, my goal is to do at least as well as, preferably better
   than, QUIPU's memory resident DIB.  Since both Sybase and ObjectStore support
   concureny in queries, I'm hoping that average responce time can be improved.
   Does anyone know if QUIPU is single threaded or multithreaded?

d) Time permitting, explore some of the distributed schema aspects of X.500/1992
   in implementing the DIB.

Ideally I would like to design a couple of new DIBs and `plug them into' QUIPU.
I'm not sure how feasible this is in the time frame I have.  I've been looking
at the code of ISODE-8.0 trying to understand how QUIPU works, but...  If anyone
could answer some questions on QUIPU I'd really appreciate it.

1) Why are there no comments in the source code?  Is the code documented somewhere
   else, were the comments stripped out for `intelectual property rights' reasons,
   or is that just the way the authors wrote the code (no insult intended)?

2) Is there a fairly clear division between the QUIPU network/protocol engine and
   the DIB implementation, or is everything rather intertwingled?

Eric Kolotyluk (eric@sfu.ca)
School of Computing Science
Simon Fraser University
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: OSI == second system syndrome
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:50:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.140004.4374@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Michael.Storz@lrz.lrz-muenchen.dbp.de writes:
> In article <id.ZIRS.GD@ferranti.com>, peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> |> As X.400 gets more common, I'm getting more and more bounces. Worse, I'm
> |> getting bounces from replies to messages originated in X.400 land, where
> |> the gateway didn't put an unambiguous address in the sender field. Because
> |> there is no such thing as an unambiguous address in X.400.

> Sorry, I do not understand these sentences, the information in them seem to be
> very strange to me.

> 1) Why should the gateway put an address in the sender field?

So that the recipient can reply to the message. It has to put *something*
from the X.400 sender address in the RFC822 From line.

> 2) What do you mean with unambiguous address?

I mean I'll get mail from "Joe.Blow@foo.bar.something.something" and when I
reply to it I get a bounce from the X.400 gatweway telling me there are half
a dozen Joe Blows at foo.bar.

> 3) Why do you think that X.400 does not know such thing like an unambiguous 
>    address?

An X.400 address is more like a pattern. It specifies search criteria in
greater and greater detail, but there seems to be no fixed subset of an
address that uniquely specifies a recipient.

> 4) What are you doing with an address of the sender field in a reply?

I'm putting it in my "To" field.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                               `-_-'
$ EDIT/TECO LOVE                                              'U` 
%TECO-W-OLDJOKE Not war?                        Have you hugged your wolf today?
Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.      Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012       +1 713 274 5180
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: husemann@camelot.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Dirk Husemann)
Subject: Re: was ISO Documents Cause OSI Failure?
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 11:25:59 GMT

J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Jon Crowcroft) writes:


>I'm interested in why the whole area of standards is so gothic
>anyhow...

Gothic is a nice description of it ...

[...]

>contrast with the far more distributed approach of de facto standards
>(e.g. internet, dare i say...)

Wellll, then almost everybody could implement/comment on it, that would
be open --- or even worse, people could point out shortcomings/bugs/
fuzziness, we don't want that, right? Also, people would notice that not even
members of the same committee are not sure what they're talking about/writing
about (one of the best example for obfuscated standard writing is ISO 8348-2 on
NSAP address, shudder)

Maybe we should propose an International Standard's Obfuscated Standard 
Writing Contest (ISOSWC), but then we'd be swamped with far too many 
eligible contestants, right? 8=)/8=(

[...]

>in fact, i believe that the "internatinal standards" in general and "open
>systems" in particular have almost exact opposite effects from the
>original supposed intentions - 

>they result in deliberate obfuscation by any companies with good technical
>input in an area, as who wants to subvert their own sales

Or by companies with *bad* technical input who want to protect their already
established equipment and not spent money on new stuff (X.25 for example 
could need quite some improvements, X.25/LLC2 likewise 8=(

[...]

>as for document availability, i don't object to copyright and so forth 
>to protect costs, but there is legal recourse rather than simple
>witholding of electronic versions

Hmm, shouldn't standards designed to provide OPEN SYSTEMS be available to 
everyone who want's to have a look (I'd agree to handling & printing charge,
but currently getting ISO docs is almost as expensive as getting drugs - or so
they say, I'm not on drugs, rather I'm on ISO docs 8=)

[...]

>i spose its too much to ask for - iso is based on levelling
>down/lowest common denominator almost by defn.

yes, sigh ...


	Dirk
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