HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Slug Resistant Flowers
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:39:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.gardens
Organization: -

In article <61.2acd2941@ivgate>, 
Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) writes:
> 
>                          "Slug Resistant" Flowers

[I'm going to make this slug and snail.  Locally we have a small 1 inch
slug and of course the European brown snail.  They both have pretty
much the same diet and if you get rid of one, you still have the
other.]

> 
>   Seattle-area Master Gardeners recommend the following flowers asa
> somewhat resistant to slug feeding, based on their personal observations
> (NOT on controlled experiments). We'd appreciate reader comments on this
> list---what needs to be added to it, or removed from it, based on your own
> observations?
> 

I'd add the following plants:

Most Roses, geraniums, impatiens, foxglove, iris, penstemmon, lantana,
chives, stock.  (And a long list of tropicals, that I don't think
quite fit in with the rest of the plants.)

[Excuse my editing, but I don't have a column cut command.]

<Yes>, means I find that the plant is resistant.  <No>, means I don't. 
<Somewhat> means that if it is wet enough, it will still get damage. 
I've skipped the plants I can't or haven't grown.

My experiences are as follows:

> ACHILLEA 
Yes
> LOBELIA
Annual varieties somewhat (cutworms are more of a problem)
Perennial varieties no
> AGERATUM (flossflower)
Somewhat
>MENTHA (mint)
Yes
> ALYSSUM (madworts) [never heard madworts, what a cute name]
Yes, slugs will eat the flowers, but they just keep on growing more.
>NASTURTIUM
Somewhat.  They don't much bother when the leaves are dry.
> ARMERIA (thrifts)                       PAEONIA (peony)
> ASTER (starflowers) 
Yes, though some flower damage possible.
>PHLOX
Yes, totally pest free both perennial and annual types.
> ASTILBE (perennial spiraeas)            PORTULACA (purslanes)
> CALENDULA 
Yes
> POTENTILLA (cinquefoils)
> CAMPANULA (bellflowers)
Somewhat.  Some varieties are mostly immune, others could be used as
snail bait.
> RANUCULUS (buttercups)
No. Snails and slugs love these.
> COSMOS 
Yes
>RUDBECKIA (coneflowers)
Somewhat (Usually flower damage)  Mealy bugs and white flies love
these too.
> DIANTHUS (pinks)
Somewhat (flower damage)
> SAXIFRAGIA (rock foils)
> DICENTRA  
> SEDUM (stonecrops)
Most varieties yes, damage is usually light.
> ESCHSCHOLZIA (Calif. poppy) 
Yes
> THYMUS (thymes)
Yes
> GALIUM (bedstraws)                     
> VERBENA (vervains)
Yes
> HEMEROCALLIS (daylilies) 
Yes, but snails love to spend the day here.  Great place to look for
snails in hiding.
> VINCA (periwinkles)
Yes, does anything eat these?
> IBERIS (candytufts) 
Yes
>VIOLA (violets)
Yes
> KNIPHOFIA (tritomas) 
Yes, but this is a mealy bug favorite.
> ZINNIA
No (No way, I quit growing zinnia in the ground years ago.  Slugs love
'em)
From: mtw8527@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Mike Wallach)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Plants beneath Fir trees
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:19:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

I have a few large fir trees in my backyard and a ver large
one in the front.  My problem is that the grass either does
not grow at all or grows so poorly that its not worth the
effort.
I am going to dig up what is left of the grass aroung these
trees and either put down bark chips and plant something
or not put down bark chips and plant some type of ground
cover.
I am looking for something that will thrive underneath
a fir tree (if a groundcover, very fast growing)
Any suggestions or fisrt hand experiences would be aprreciated.

			Mike Wallach
			mtw8527@eeidf002.ca.boeing.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: rim@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bob McKay)
Subject: Re: Eucalyptus Pods
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:28:38 GMT

che358w@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>  Have you thought about cold climate gums ? e.g snow gum (don't know its
>latin name) which lives well above the snow line in the australian alps and is
>small and twisted with beautifully coloured bark. 

The gums most commonly called snowgums on the mainland are E pauciflora, 
E stellulata & E gregsoniana (I know damn all about the Tasmanian Eucs, but
there ought to be some good candidates from there as well). Of the three, I
would be inclined towards stellulata, as it's the most tolerant of cold, wet 
soils, which I imagine would be the biggest problem in NJ or similar places
(gregsoniana is probably more cold tolerant).

I recall reading a few years ago an article about Eucs grown in cold climates -
mostly Europe (but unfortunately I don't recall where I read it). The general
consensus was that it was difficult, and the problems were blamed on frost.
Reading the article I got the very strong impression that frost was being blamed
for problems that were actually due to something else  - my favoured
candidates being cold, waterlogged soils or insufficient Winter light.
Specifically, a number of species were noted as being unable to cope with
S English frosts when I was aware of the same species growing well here in
places that had far lower Winter minima.
-- 
Bob McKay		   	Phone:	+61 6 268 8169	    fax: +61 6 268 8581
Dept. Computer Science		Internet:	rim@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
ADFA, Northcott Dve 		UUCP:...!uunet!munnari!csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au!rim
Campbell ACT 2600 AUSTRALIA	ARPA:	rim%csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: lch3e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Lauren C. Howard)
Subject: ** WANTED:  HONDA S-90 motorbike  **
Originator: lch3e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:09:04 GMT

Yes, folks, that really is what I want!

An ancient, 1960's, underpowered HONDA S-90 motorcycle,
ANY (and I mean ANY!) condition.

No substitutes will do!  Your help in finding one appreciated.

          lch3e@virginia.edu   or   (804)295-9995


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Needs a name (Was: How far do you commute?)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:49:05 GMT

behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:

>	ObMoto:  Announcing the birth of a 1975 CB360T.  He's 75 inches
>long, give or take a few, and he weighs in around 370 pounds.  He's blue
>and in very fine shape, but he needs a name.  Please, a real, endearing
>name, not some smartass moniker.  Right now, he's answering to "Little
>Baby Bike," but I want a real name for him so as not to confuse him by
>allowing him to get too attached to the current name.

How about "Not The Harley"?

Though on second though, I think that one's been taken.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:53:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.132554.15424@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>Of the dozens (hundreds?) of Denizens I've met at the various rec.moto
>gathers, I can only recall two with open face helmets, and one of those
>was a shortie, for what that's worth. 

OK, let's see, at the GPNDG we had Martin, Davek., Jonm. for sure, maybe more.
Which one did you forget??

Ride covered,

Bill
________________________________________________________________
bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu if you feel compelled to send email
johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu if you seriously expect an answer
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Yamabeemer fjgs1200pdr100 740GLE  KotV KotRR KotD #0001  :-)
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

If you walk, just walk.
If you sit, just sit.
If you ride, just ride.

Above all, don't wobble.
                             Zen saying (slightly modified)
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How to break-in new rings?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:26:59 GMT
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Oct5.124533.14332@bnr.ca> space%bnr.ca (Scott Pace) writes:
>
>After having the cylinder bores honed (to break the glaze), what's the DoD
>approved method for properly breaking-in new piston rings (original
>pistons)?  One method I've heard of is to drive at around 3-4000rpm in top
>gear, and then apply maximum throttle.  Do this a few times to properly
>load the rings, and get a good seal.
>
>Comments?

Plan on replacing them next year, as well?

Follow the engine break-in guidelines in the owner's or shop manual
for your bike/engine.

-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: USA to EUROPE bike freight?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 14:41:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 021092142329@b62003.student.cwru.edu, dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
>In article <djm.717961775@morpheus>, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David
>Maconochie) wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone gone by boat to Europe, and taken their bike with them?
>> Who with, where from and how much?
>> 
>Hey, he's leaving!  Cool!

You know better than that, Dean.  It doesn't matter where you are
physically, Denizens live in dataspace!

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:40:22 GMT




>Interesting question.  Assuming you and your bike were legal, I would
>suggest riding to the nearest police station and pull into the lot 
>with lights blinking,  horns blowing, and the engine revving.

>That ought to get their attention.


   Nobody home there, try a doughnut shop.



BTW: Is it KOTL or KoTL? What's his/her DoD number?


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother
=============================================================




Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: car-to-bike jump start
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:38:20 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Sep26.040434.6260@spdc.ti.com>, orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Ken Orr) writes:
|> In article <7399@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
|> >Alan E. Asper (asper@sbctri.sbc.com) wrote:

|>       Leave the car off though !

just another data point:  all last winter, i jump started the bike with the
car running.  the car battery was a piece of shit that would *barely* crank
the car.  if i started the bike without the car running, the car would not
have a prayer.  the car was (is) an ex-police car with 120 amp alternator.
no problems.

axel
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF: BRC or ERC?
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:38:00 GMT
	<LOTTO.92Oct1192423@laura.harvard.edu>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: lotto@laura.harvard.edu's message of 1 Oct 92 23:24:23 GMT

>>>>> On 1 Oct 92 23:24:23 GMT, lotto@laura.harvard.edu (I) said:
Me> I had been riding for about 10 years when I took my first MRC:RSS.  I

Me> and I still felt it was a waste of time.  It wasn't until I took the
Me> ERC the following year that I realized how much the basic techniques I

OOPS!  Make that the MRC and the BBP.  (how embarrassing, heavy sigh).
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet headaces
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:52:45 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Oct4.094130.29288@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
>|> One device is a windshield.  They say that it is
>|> posible to ride 100mph+ with
>|> no noticeable wind drag on the helmet.
>|>
>
>I'll verify that.
>
>(Who said that? Not me, officer. Nope.)
>
That's why I said "they say"--so I wouldn't be accused of telling on myself

Chas
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:35008 rec.motorcycles.racing:1176
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: '84-'85 Kaw 750 Turbo parts for sale
From: Willie Sanchez <PCZBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 11:28:51 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I have had my second 750 Turbo stolen in 4 years.  I am putting up for
sale all the parts from my spare parts bike (another '84 Turbo).  The parts
include:

All plastic parts (upper fairing, lower fairing, side covers, etc.)
Computer (2)
Turbo (needs oil seals replaced)
Fuel injection system
Igniter (2)
Gas tank (with or without led display)
Tach/Speedo/Boost instrumentation cluster
Ignition warning light assembly
Seat
Helmet lock/Seat lock w/ 2 keys (brand new)
EBC front/rear brake pads (new, fits many applications)
Front/Rear Rim (red)
Front/Rear brake assemblies
Brake master cylinder (2)
Rear stop light assembly
GPz 750 manual w/ Turbo supplements
Fuse box

This is just a sampling, if you have a GPz 750 or its Turbo equiv, just
drop me a line and tell me what you need, if I can get it off the bike we can
talk.  Most parts from this bike will fit GPz 750 non-turbo.

Terms:

I will look up part on fiche and sell it for 50% of its list price or less
depending on condition of part.  You send me money order or bank check to cover
part and 1/2 shipping.  If you are not satisfied with part I will refund your
money upon return of part minus shipping.

If you live in New York metro area, and you want to pick up bike, I will sell
the complete bike, frame and all for $300 cash.  Bike has at least three time
that much in parts (based on Kaw list prices).
-------
------------------------------
Willie Sanchez  (PCZBH@CUNYVM)
City University of New York
Management Information Systems
555 West 57th Street
New York, New York 10019
(212) 541-0309
Newsgroups: osu.for-sale,rec.motorcycles
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: ++MINT-NIGHTHAWK 650 FOR SALE..BEST OFFER++
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:47:14 GMT

1983 Nighthawk 650
12,500 miles
Shaft drive
New Front tire-Will need back by end of next season-$60.00 via. Dennis Kirk
New Battery
New Regulator-Rectifier
Digital Gear Indicator
Digital Fuel Guage

EXCELLENT CONDITION!! Well maintained/serviced, always garaged!!!

Please email me for more info!

Make me an offer...BEST OFFER TAKES IT!!!

THE HYPEMAN
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: fuel/engine efficiency
Summary: METADISCUSSION warning
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.111210.599@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us
(bob pasker) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.084014.2380@inland.com>, bloom@inland.com writes:
>> I think you've got woolly caterpillars growing in your head.  This 
>> isn't what I've been told.  As a rule, there are no Great Conspiracies. 
>

>not every company can compete on the
>offensive, bringing out new advanced products (like H-D and ford against
>the japanese) and so fall back on defensive postures like buying up and
>sitting on technology, which, whether you or chuck thinks so or not, is part
>and parcel of stealing technology. 

"Stealing"?  Is this the "knowledge is born free, but
everywhere it is in chains" argument?  Just what this
discussion needs, another inflammatory one-liner.

I never denied that corporations buy technology to
eliminate competition.  I challenged Bob to back up his
specific claim that oil companies are sitting on the
technology to make hydrogen-powered cars, and he replied
with anecdotes about intermittent windshield wipers and
computer software.

Technology that's patented can't be suppressed completely,
because the patents themselves are published and  because
they eventually expire.  I haven't heard anyone clamoring
for the release of a new, wildly innovative way to use
hydrogen, and I know there are lots of people, and
companies big and small, who are watching all available
sources of information on this and other aspects of
low-polluting automotive technology.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Summary: Is harley killing people because they start on 1000+ cc bikes
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:39:19 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.




I think we must all admit that Harley Davidson mototcycles
are the fashion rage in america today. I just posted a long
article on the Neiman Marcus catalog listing for vintage harleys
and I saw an add in the Boston Globe today for a fur lined motorcycle
jacket illustrated with a helmet-less rider on a sportster.

Tonight on the Boston Evening news carried a story on a 32 year old 
man killed in a single vehicle motorcycle accident, apparently he lost 
control of the bike while giving a friend a ride. The TV news crew
showed the bike, it was a brand new 1200+ CC blue and cream HARLEY.

Do you all think that it is possible that people are buying a Harley as their 
first motorcycle because it is so fashionable, leaving the show room 
with their first bike, which happens to be one of the largest fastest
bikes you could ever start out on and getting killed?

Being a poser is one thing but paying for it with your life is another.

Flame away


Dave
DoD 1085
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stealing bikes
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:46:59 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <977@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com> jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
>The trick is to drive something that no one would WANT to steal.

Noemi, are you listening?
-- 
I hate the 3B2
The 3B2 can bite me.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: engine rebuild
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:00:19 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Sep28.162952.20836@rchland.ibm.com>, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:

|> email to ae0s@andrew.cmu.edu, though.

posting is good, but IF email, THEN ae0s@andrew.cmu.edu

axel
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW K100rs
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:24:16 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
]the rumor mill I've heard says no 4valve head for the K75 in 93 but if it
]does come out it should be a bolt on afair.  I doubt it though because
]doing that would probable result in a horse power gain which would put
]the K75 to tightly into the K100 market.  
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
not unless they also add a paralever, non-touring rims and tires, adjustable
damping on the shock, motronic ignition, and floating brembo brakes :-)

]K75 up to about 85 horsepower with just a cam change and removal of
]the stock airbox.  Damn waranty rules that out for now.  

is this the euro spec cam? surley BMW will let you (us) put in the eruo
spec cam stuff and not void the warranty, especially if a dealer does it...

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous M/C Engine swaps (was Re: Faster 1100)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:06:07 GMT

In <718295963.215587.TJM@math.ams.org> TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney) writes:

>Torque is equivalent to most tractors,

	Well, small tractors anyway... (can you get 450ft-lbs out of a
small-block without building it within an inch of its life?)

>turning ability is right up there with battleships.

	Now this I *won't* have.  I'll have you know that the Iowa-class
battleships, the finest non-sail ships to ever prowl the seas, can turn
inside most destroyers and all cruisers.  Can't turn?  Harrumph!  Of
course, we *are* talking about ships here, where 180 degrees inside of
half a mile is considered a serious feat...  Certainly even a Wing would
do better, though probably not on water.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<16" guns and teakwood decks -- it doesn't get any better, ever!>


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Distribution:  world
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:40:37 GMT

In article <2OCT92085150@fnalc.fnal.gov>, krafft@fnalc.fnal.gov (N07732_KRAFFT, KEITH G.) writes:
|> Is it just here in the midwest, or are Harley riders jagoffs all over the
|> U.S./World? 

Varies by individual. Any other generalization is
prejudice.

|> Why do harlee riders have this superior than thou additude?

Of all you said, only this I agree with. So, I'm prejudiced. 

I followed two Harley riders for several miles through
varrying terrain one day, and they rode well, close together,
and in perfect sync. I cannot fault any action, and I 
credit their style. I will buy a Harley when it's a 
bike I want, when I want it. What other criteria are there?


---
Curt Howland "Ace"    DoD#0663    '82 V45 Sabre
            howland@nsipo.nasa.gov 
  Don't bother arguing with drunks or zealots,
they're not listening to anyone but themselves.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Newbe Flamewars, was: MSF: BRC or ERC?
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 16:54:33 GMT

In article <Oct.3.21.22.44.1992.1402@remus.rutgers.edu> kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
>In article <Oct.3.19.33.25.1992.29202@remus.rutgers.edu>, merenda@remus.rutgers.edu (Kill Bon Jovi) writes:
>] Jerky? come on, Kevin.... that's much too silly to be considered an 
>] insult.
>Right.

>
>] but this is really childish,
>] and we're wasting bandwith.
>
>You started it.

etc, etc, and etc ....


These guys aren't worride about the not.police, obviously they have never
heard that DoD is self policing ...  we get our own when necessary.

Is anyone near Rutgers, that can take care of this little problem?