HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones)
Subject: Re: STS-1 Disaster -- follow-up #3
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:58:28 GMT

>In article <1h6839INNb09@news.cerf.net> eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l) writes:
>cooperation with others in positions to do this.  But I think there are enough
>inconsistencies and things that don't add up put forth by Dr. Beter in Audio
>Letter #64 to at least warrant a serious investigation of the matter.

Hmmm...is this the guy mentioned in *High Weirdness by Mail*?  To quote:

YES, THAT REALLY WAS HIS NAME

The Peter Beter Audio Letter
P.O. Box 276, Savage, MD 20763

Wild, throbbing-at-the-mouth right-wing anti-Trilateral ravings beyond
compare.  Dr. Beter died, but his cassettes are still available, exposing
the paranoid truth behind space germs, oil wars, Illuminati assassinations,
etc.  Great for scaring your friends.  Ask for free list of tapes.

(end quote)

	James Jones
From: cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: World famous Usenet conspiracy
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:32:26 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <1hol2nINN7qp@morrow.stanford.edu> BL.JYC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon 
Corelis) writes:


>   But the real kicker is that among these listed conspiracies is --
>USENET!  I an not making this up!!!  According to this distinguished
>periodical, we're all part of conspiracy.  If you're interested, our
>ranking is Power - 2, Secrecy - 0, Organization - 1, Strength of Belief
>-2, Peculiarity of Ritual - 5, and Exclusivity - 1.  I think that's
>pretty accurate, except maybe for the high Peculiarity of Ritual score.
>Nothing I do on the net is weird.  I'm not talking about the rest of
>you.

Try running any of the older news readers and tell me there is no peculiarity 
of ritual. Even nn can be a bit arcane. I think the Oraganization score is a 
bit high though... UseNet is an anarchy
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13431 talk.politics.misc:65386
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes)
Subject: Re: Dale Bass on The Good, the Bad, and The Bogus
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 02:12:28 GMT

Hmm, so alt.conspiracy really exists.
From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:37:01 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <1992Dec28.103655.11722@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
|> 
|> eidetics@nic.cerf.net writes:
|> 
|>  >>Doesn't this remind you of a plot from a James Bond movie?  Moonraker?
|>  >>Shuttle takes off from transport 747 causing the 747 to crash...
|> 
........
|> Sorry... it's all moot, since Ian Fleming did not write "Moonraker".
|> They had already run out of his stories by that time...  

It amazes me how little people research before opening their mouth and
inserting their foot.

Moonraker was most definitely written by Ian Fleming. As a matter of fact
it was one of his earlier books.  The big problem here is you people are 
all talking about the movies.  The only part of the movies that can be 
attributed to Ian Fleming are the titles.  The first few (Dr. No, From
Russia with Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, and You Only Live Twice) are
close to the books, but after that they get further and further away from
reality until we reach From A View To A Kill which didn't get the title
right, bears not even a minor resemblence to the book with a similar title
(From A View To Kill) and which doesn't even make sense as an English sentence.

The movies are also out of sequence which affects the overall perception.

I would suggest for anyone who is curious as to wether or not there is any
basis in fact for the James Bond saga to read the whole series of books in
order and then draw your conclusions.  I did this 20 years ago. 
Oh and the series actually ends with The Man With The Golden Gun.  Octopussy
was first published after Fleming was dead in Playboy magazine and I noticed
more than enough diffence in style to be very suspicious of it's actual origin.

In case anyone is interested, there was a book published in the early 70's (I
think) that explored this whole concept. There was even enough information
provided in the books that they actually located James Bond's flat.  

There is much basis for belief that Ian Fleming based his character on some
real person, but the movies are pure hogwash.

bill


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Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13481 talk.politics.misc:65464
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: STS-1 Disaster -- follow-up #3
Date: 2 Jan 93 22:18:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1i4uuuINN7rt@network.ucsd.edu> spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
]In article <30DEC199208300788@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) writes:
]>I guess this much is believable, but if Crippen and Young were on the true 
]>Columbia when it was launched, who pilotted the Enterprise in?
]
]Crista McAuliffe.
]

<chuckle> Actually, I read Dr. Beter's transcript on alt.conspiracy and 
found it to be mostly BS. Any fellow Trekkers read that Audio Letter a few
days ago? How many of you when he described Columbia being bathed
by neutron radiation from the "Jumbo Cosmospheres" had this come to mind:

   A Bird of Prey attacked the Columbia?! (Remember STVI? :)

We should have asked Japan to launch the Yamato er, Argo at the Cosmospheres.

:) :)


-- 
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wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu|"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep|
Politically Incorrect     |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein               |
Future Lunar Colonist     |"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are |
claypigeon                |  going to the stars." Robert A. Heinlein          |
Many other stupid titles  |---------------------------------------------------|
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13438 alt.angst:4999
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.angst
Subject: Re: profane abuses
Date: 27 Dec 92 14:35:27 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec27.064528.12023@fuug.fi>, an3286@anon.penet.fi (Aleph Null) writes:
> While in a state of darkness, the widow's son has seen profane 
> abuses of the Association, which deeply troubles him.  How may 
> he free himself from his condition? 
> 

Hand out copies of Robert Anton Wilson material to every Freemason
you might meet as belated Christmas presents.
-- 
Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:49:44 GMT

In article <bhayden.725782011@teal> Bruce Hayden, bhayden@teal.csn.org
writes:
>>
>>Lying to Congress has a long history. Presidents of both parties have
>>done it as a matter of course. If you criminalize that, you would have
>>to put FDR, JFK, and LBJ at the head of the list. FDR's lies to congress
>>got us into the war against Germany. 

Since current Congressional oversight law was largely shaped in the 
post-Watergate era, the ways in which the executive branch might violate
the law by lying to Congress are greater now than they were in the
FDR, JFK, and LBJ eras. (I take it you omitted Nixon for a reason?)


--Mike




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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
Subject: (GERMANY) Third neo-Nazi group banned
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 15:31:29 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

The Province (Vancouver, B.C.)
Wednesday, Dec. 23, 1992

GERMANS BAN THIRD NEO-NAZI GROUP

United Press International

BERLIN - A third neo-Nazi group has been banned as part of a broadening
German government crackdown on right-wing extremist groups.

"This is meant as a blunt warning to extremism," said Interior Minister
Rudolf Seiters yesterday.

Seiters said the National Offensive was an "aggressive neo-Nazi
organization" responsible for agitating against ofreigners, Jews, and the
State of Israel.

He said banning of the National Offensive, along with earlier bannings of
neo-Nazi groups, showed the state would not allow extremists to "carry out
their disgraceful work."

Police launched immediate searches of homes and offices belonging to the 140
National Offensive members in seven German states, confiscating files and
other evidence.

Under currents [sic] laws, all files, propaganda material and money in bank
accounts belonging to the group may be confiscated.

The National Offensive is the third rightist group to be banned in the past
four weeks in Germany as part of tougher government response to right-wing
violence. Seiters banned the Nationalist Front last month.

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.discordia
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Bohemian Party???
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:00:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.011532.28045@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.084641.16462@u.washington.edu> pirone@milton.u.washington.edu (cocteau) writes:
>>
>>howdy,
>> 
>>   has anyone heard of the 'Bohemian' party or gathering
>>   that is supposed to take place once a year or once every
>>   four years near or on the Russian river in california.
>>   Supposedly this gathering includes top officials of 
>>   U.S. government, banking, industry, AND the media.
>>   This is the second time i've posted looking for info
>>   on this topic, if you know anything or have just 'heard
>>   of it' like i have, please email me or post.
>>
>
>sounds to my like whoever told you this had just finished Illuminatus 
>Trilogy and was looking to see who he could get to believe this kinda
>stuff.
>
>

Actually, it sounds like the "Bilderberger" get togethers. Except that the
location of these is not made public til after the meeting. No one
knows what goes on at these, but the people who attend. They are called
"Bilerbergers", since they held their early meetings at the Bilderberg
Hotel. See Neal Wilgus's "The Illuminoids" for more details.

Pax
Have a Year!
					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.pol
From: jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: The Ohio State University
 <1992Dec30.195442.29596@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:40:27 GMT

But aren't we talking about foreign policy though?  Besides the ability
to declare war, what foreign policy powers are given to Congress in the
Constitution?  If there are none, passing laws restricting the FP powers
of the executive branch would seem to me to be unconstitional.

As an aside, the facts about IranContra have been known to Congress for
years.  Why didn't the Congress impeach Reagan then if things were so
awful?  These frivolous charges by Walsh against Weinberger before the
election were thrown out.  The press release from the Clinton campaign
was dated before the indictment.  This smacks of political dirty tricks
that are supposed to be the forte of the Republicans (wait... Walsh is a
Republican.... hmmmmm?)
>>

JSL.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Date: 04 Jan 93 03:26:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <C06rEv.Hor.1@cs.cmu.edu> tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
>>Some quotes from Larry Stammer, ``Not the Stuff of Sermons'', Los
>>Angeles Times Book Review, Sunday, December 20, 1992, pp. 2,4. The
>>article is a review of the book _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson (W.W.
>>Norton: $22.95; 256 pp.).
>>
>>   "+ The resurrection is a `whopping lie.' The Risen Christ, as
>>      opposed to the historical Jesus, is `an invention of Paul's
>>      religious genius.'
>>
>
>I find this the most interesting. How does Paul's genius account for the 
>resurrection stories in the gospels? Are they supposed to have been
>added much later?

Okay, I don't have my NT textbooks & notes handy, but I specifically
recall that the epistles (including Paul's) were written before the 
gospels.

ie, Paul very likely had some influence on the gospels. 

[note also that the gospels were written for Christians - not to
create Christians. Acts and the epistles indicate that the
early converts were created by preaching of the resurrection &
the signs of the Spirit, not by the gospels.]

[...]

>>   "+ Jesus' prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane, asking God to spare
>>      him from the cup of death but nonetheless bowing to God's will,
>>      is a literary creation. If Jesus prayed while his disciples
>>      slept, who jotted down a transcript of the conversation?"
>
>An alternative explanation is divine inspiration, which is supposedly the
>method of composition of the book. Consequently, this observation is
>not independently significant: it is subordinate to the result of inquiry
>about inspiration, and can add nothing nor take anything away from
>that debate.

Note also that if Jesus prayed all night, he had a lot of space between
the words [ie if you read Jesus' words aloud, it doesn't take long]. 
Very likely that Jesus'  disciples remembered what they heard him say
before they nodded off. [This is not to discount divine inspiration and
guidance; rather an alternative thought.]

-jen
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13502 talk.politics.misc:65519 sci.space.shuttle:3046 sci.space:18354 sci.astro:13495
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,sci.astro
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:59:15 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

jac54@cas.org () writes:

>In article <1hjhhgINN7q0@news.cerf.net> eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l) writes:
>>
>>   In writing his stories, Ian Fleming was drawing upon his own
>>secret weapon.  That weapon was knowledge.  Fleming had been a
>>high-ranking officer of Britain's crack Intelligence agency
>>called MI-5.

>	This is, in fact, nonsense.  Flemings contribution to
>	intelligence was to act as a paper-pusher for Stephensons'
>	BSC in New York.  He had no training in, and never was, an
>	intelligence officer of any form.  He was, by all accounts,
>	an irritating little intel.-groupie.

I read somewhere that Fleming actually was trained for missions in Europe 
during WWII. He flunked the course in Canada. I'll try to find it if there's
interest. IF it's true, then he would have been organized under OSS. MI5 did 
not exist at that time, if I remember correctly. MI5, btw, is the UK counter-
intelligence agency. Read _Spy catcher_ for a humorous account of it's exploits
during the '60s.

cheers

--
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Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
From: pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius)
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:39:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.053547.18160@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>
>   "+ The `servant of the high priest' who accompanied Judas in leading
>      authorities to arrest Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane may have
>      been the Apostle Paul himself before his conversion.

This only shows how little the author knows the history.  Apostle Paul
was a Pharisee before his regeneration, and everyone who has the
slightest idea of the history of that period knows that Pharisees
were the bitter political as well as theological enemies of the high
priest.

>        ... By
>      unfairly blaming the Jews, the Gospel stories precipitated 2,000
>      years of Christian antisemitism.

The Gospel stories never blame the Jews for the condemnation of Jesus.
Gospels blame the Roman-appointed high priest for that crime.  Anyone
who has the slightest idea of the history knows that the high priests in
that period were Roman puppets hated by the rabbis and the Jewish populace.
By equating the high priest with the Jews, the critics have exposed their own
total ignorance of the history.


Regards,
-- 
For Christ and His Kingdom
-- Publius
Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, all mine, mine alone.
From: mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Where is John Dinardo?
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:54:44 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Does anyone know where John Dinardo is?

I want some info from him!


Mark Bevan              mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Dale Bass on The Good, the Bad, and The Bogus
Date: 26 Dec 1992 16:53:46 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec26.021228.3457@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes) writes:
>Hmm, so alt.conspiracy really exists.

That's what They want you to think...

							spl

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Pan Am 103-Four years after
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:00:14 GMT

In article <BzME8y.1nB@acsu.buffalo.edu> v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
:
:	Last night CBS's 60 Minutes ran a report about the allegations that the
:CIA knew about the bomb being put on Pan Am flight 103 four years ago today, and
:did nothing to stop it, meaning that the deaths of 270 people, including a 
:friend of mine, could have been averted. The story goes that the CIA was running
:a drug courier operation and the terrorists knew about it and put the bomb on 
:the plane to a) kill some CIA people who were planning a raid to free US 
:hostages in Lebanon, and b) embarass the CIA by the hoped-for revelation of the 
:drug operation.
:
:	Well, I think 60 Minutes got the right conclusion, which is, to put it
:simply: Bullshit.

Don't be so quick to dismiss this one.  British investigative magazine
Private Eye has uncovered lots of circumstantial evidence that all points
in the direction of the hypothesis outlined above.  And some good concrete
evidence to do with a suitcase belonging to the CIA passenger that was
explicitly searched for first before the investigation took off properly.
There's *something* fishy in this story and it will come out eventually.

We may all be too old to give a damn of course, when it does.

G
PS Private Eye's analysis is that the reason for the bomb was primarily
to scupper the peace process that was going on at the time and looking
like making headway; that the 'diplomatic bag' of the CIA was a regular
conduit for drugs for CIA dirty money to fund arms deals, and the people
the CIA dealt with double-crossed them by supplying a bomb in the drug
shipment.
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13645 alt.atheism:24787 talk.religion.misc:24961
From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: RE: PBS SPECIAL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:07 EST  

In article <1h7bkdINN6p7@usenet.pa.dec.com>, grant_jo@ripple.enet.dec.com 
(Joel Grant) writes...

>1. The fragments did in fact match.  Guinn found evidence for two
>and only two bullets.  The fragments from Connally's wrist matched
>CE399.  And CE399 was fired from CE139.  The fragments from Kennedy's
>brain matched the large limo fragment (the one without copper)
>that was fired from CE139 as well as smaller ones found in the
>rear of the car.  Between Connally's and Kennedy's body, CE399,
>and the limo fragments, there were two and only two bullets as
>described above.

If the large limo fragment had _no_ copper, how was it determined that it 
_was_ (not _could have been_) fired from CE139?  Since the bullet jacket is 
the only portion to come into contact with the rifle barrel and the 
predominate material in the jacket _is_ copper, I fail to see the direct 
link between this fragment and CE139.

Or is this a case that since bullet fragments were found on the floor of the 
limo, CE139 is assumed by the WC to be the only weapon fired in Dealy Plaza 
that day, therefore the fragments in the limo came from CE139.  You are, I 
assume, familiar with the conclusion expressed in the WCR that only three 
shots were fired in Dealy Plaza because that is how many spent shell 
casings were found on the 6th floor of the TSBD.


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (L GENE BATTIN)
Subject: Re: Book: The Man on the Grassy Knoll
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: VENUS.IUCF.INDIANA.EDU
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:15:24 GMT

Sorry to post, but my email isn't working quite right for some reason,
anyhoo...

In article <1992Dec21.125403.19176@clark.dgim.doc.ca>, 
dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson) writes...

>In article <BzLH73.I5n@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> 
>battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:

>>
>>I've recently purchased the book, "The Man on the Grassy Knoll", by
>>John R. Craig and Philip A. Rogers. (ISBN # 0-380-77127-6), published
>>by Avon Books.  Haven't had time to go over it yet.  (Actually, I'll
>>have to get a new copy as mine is missing pages 47-78!)
>>
>>Gene Battin
>>battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
> 
>Could you post when this book was printed as I would like to know if
>it is a book that is readily available in the bookstores. I have not
>seen it before or even heard of it. Thanks.
> 
>Dave Thompson.
> 

Here is stuff from the front of the book:

AVON BOOKS
A division of
The Hearst Corporation
1350 Avenue of the Americas
New York, New York 10019

Library of Congress Catalog Number: 92-90561

First Avon Books Printing: November 1992

etc.,

Hope this helps.

-Gene Battin
battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
no .sig yet
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: doug@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Doug Risher)
Subject: Voting on group
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:29:53 GMT

I was wondering if anyone knows if and when we will vote on alt.conspiracy.jfk
newsgroup?  It is a fasinating group.