HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:07:42 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington

china@cqs.washington.edu (Peter Westhagen) writes:


>You see, the "Mercedes stereotype" said nothing about sex, but you 
>automatically assumed that it was a man, in an earlier post, and now
>you seem to assume that the man was white ("all white people are not
>rich").  So all your talking about the evils of stereotypes seem to be
>mostly words, you do not command a full knowledge of stereotypes, as
>you let on, but you simply speak as though you do.  This is what I mean
>about people who assume themselves to be all knowing ("my intelligence
>quotient is sooo high"), when in reality there is so much in this world
>that they do not know.

>When I made the "Mercedes stereotype", it was supposed to be an anology,
>it didn't mean to imply race or sex, in fact I did not imply race or sex.
>It was your on stereotyping that made that rich person white and male.
>I think making the generalizations 1) that poor know poor better that rich
>know poor, and 2) that people of color know racism better than people without
>color know racism ;) are far more valid than making the assumption that
>mostly white males driver Mercedes.

>Do you see my point?  Most of you don't even care...


I care. But "man" refers to person, and usually I catch myself and
say "man or woman" but that becomes tiresome when you do as much
typing and arguing as I do in one day. Please believe that I am the last
person to assume or stereotype. I did NOT assume that it had to be a man
driving that car. "Man" is what God created in his own image and he
made some of us female and some of us male.

And yes you were saying that was a white person listening to Debussy.
Right? Repost PLEASE the exact paragraph with full context if necessary.
I want to be fair about this. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Apologies
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:28:13 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

To all:

Many apologies for the recent double posting from me. Had a lot of
trouble with the system that night and could not tell that the first
version had actually gone through. And by the time the second one
*did* get through, I had run out of time and was unable to double-
check.
 
Again, my apologies to anyone who was inconvenienced.
G.

--
Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.
San Diego Union-Tribune         (619) 293-1270 (voice)
P.O. Box 191                    (619) 293-2333 (fax)
San Diego, CA 92112-4106        galan@netlink.cts.com (Internet)
From: barnhart@igc.org (Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:27:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul26.065040.23059@gn.ecn.pu:-1664798195:cdp:1471600026:000:599
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!barnhart    Jul 27 10:27:00 1992


Beats me, Michael, but I don'
t like it either.  (I don't like this editor either.)

Looks like the clever-boys-without-any-real-opinions club from
this thread.  I hereby withdraw any criticism of snot-nosed white
college boys who like to beat up on the other boys, specially the
*colored* boys, for whatever offense they can think of, even
spelling errors.  

There, is that better?

Sorry I wasn't timelier.  I usually read and post news from a (cheap)
off-Internet account because I don't have no UNC Wilmington payin my
hookup fees.

Aaron (Barnhart@igc.org and @gagme.chi.il.us)
Evanston, Ill.
From: carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: cure for racism
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO, USA
Reply-To: carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) 

BKY>From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
BKY>rights.  You can't cure racism by being a racist.

So, how can you cure it? The other ways apparently didn't work well
enough.

BKY>--Brian

Greetinx, Carl.


 * OLX 2.1 TD * And God said: E = .mv. - Ze./r, and there was light!
                                                                                                    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:33:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.205611.21646@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:

>mmoore@orion.ssdc.honeywell.com ("Mastah of Dizziness") writes:
>
>>Why must you always refer to Sister Souljah as "Silly Bigot Sistah?"
>>It certainly doesn't make her look bad, it's annoying and it makes _you_
>>look stupid.
>
>SILLY BIGOT SISTAH is a SILLY BIGOT SISTAH.

Whether or not that's true, it makes you look silly.  Get over
yourself.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: Jacksons' New Biographical Movie
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:08:37 GMT

In article <92210.152951LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> <LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>Please help me!!!!  I was watching BET the other nigh and it was reported that
>Michael Jackson had auditioned a little boy whom he thought would be perfect fo
>r the role of little Michael.  The kid was WHITE!!! I know this question has be
>en asked over and over, and this man is obviously beyond explanation now, but W
>HAT IS WRONG WITH HIM???????


You shouldn't be surprised by that. Any person who decides to bleach his
skin in order to look "white" no longer deserves to be a member of the
Black Race. That individual is gone for good. We have more pressing
problems to deal with than to worry about chaff and garbage like MJ.

Femi.
From: carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: re:How whites can experie
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO, USA
Reply-To: carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) 

Thanks, Jeff. I wish, every single white would read it and start to
think.
Please, please, please allow me to spread this article. With your
copyright of course.

greetinx, Carl.


 * OLX 2.1 TD * When the snow melts, where does all the white go?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:41:41 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: New generation of Conservatism-Welfare Myths

Recently in Pennsylvania, there was a piece of legislation being passed in
the state House of Represnetatives concerning welfare recipients and drug
testing.  The Represenstative is from Chester county which is south of
Philly.  The bill go something like this: "Welfare recipients rcvg cash will
have to submit themselves to random drug testing.  If one does not
participate in the drug testing, or come up positive from test results, then
all welfare benefits would be eliminated for that individual."

That's just paraphrasing the bill in the state house at this time.  There
has been objection to this bill from all sides.  The Representative
proposing this bill feels he is doing some good "by getting welfare
recipients off of drugs." This same representative feels projects and other
low income housing areas are where the drug problems are, and this bill will
help clean up the problem.

Sorry for not posting the news article this appeared in but I will try to
find the source where I got this from.


Let's hear some comments.  Flame on.




Fred Rozenblad FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,sci.lang
From: kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson)
Subject: Re: German dialect spelling (Was: Re Black bilingulism)
Organization:     .
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:13:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.222558.2875@memstvx1.memst.edu> connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>>Schwyzerduetsch (Swiss German) is even more divergent than Bayrisch.  I
>> 
>>   Schweizerische Deutsch                                 Bayerisch
>If you meant something else, please clarify.

    Never heard the word "Schwyzer".  This coupled with your use of the "word" 
   "duetsch" and the unfamiliar "Bayrisch" made your post come across as well 
   intended, but mistaken.  Sorry.   I'll continue by cloning your style:
 
    Are you trying to say that "Deutsch" is spelled "duetsch" as in your
   usage of the word "Schwyzerduetsch"?

    Are you saying that "Schweizerisch" doesn't mean Swiss?

    If you meant something else, please clarify.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: A fresh voice
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:57:01 GMT

Article 5167 of soc.culture.jewish:
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: WC Franklin Bashing -- Let's Move On!
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:42:01 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

   This entire thread really encapsulates many of the problems
this culture now experiences with racial relations. I will try
to summarize what I mean:

1. William Carter Franklin (WCF) continually gets bogged down in
   the semantics of the discussion. Why do so many people worry
   so much about how someone sounds, or the exact usage of a
   particular word? The important thing is what's the message, right?
   Well then William give people a break, maybe they aren't
   trying to stereotype every individual but rather are speaking
   in general terms.

2. Some folks spend so much time reacting they never DO anything.
   Well William stop telling us how bad we are for stereotyping
   people and go out and do something constuctive. Telling
   us how bad we are is certainly not constructive.

3. MMoore and Mr. Watts and others have allowed themselves to 
   get off the subject. We should stop rising to the bait of people
   like WCF and instead redirect the discussion to the racial 
   inequities that continue daily. Name calling doesn't get us
   anywhere. As a start I wonder if Mr. Moore or Mr. Watts can
   identify acts that WCF should see regularly that have a racial
   basis. By identifying racism that WCF can see we might make
   him more aware that it is occurring, is even rampant, today.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
   In general we need to stop talking past each other and listen. Don't
get bogged down in name calling at the very least. William please
listen to the pain and desire for change coming from these voices.

   All you Franklin bashers, how about turning this discussion toward
a constructive note.


Peace, but not without justice,
Zip


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:16:42 GMT

In article <92206.075144KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   I am tired of people saying that just because Jesse doesn't get what he
>wants, then Clinton is dissing the whole Black population.

	But that is not what I said.

	I said, in effect, that the Democratic Party
	has developed a new approach to minority issues,
	and that approach is:

	(1)	preach the civil-rights rhetoric
	(2)	blame minority problems on the Republicans
	(3)	then quietly ignore the issue altogether
	(4)	and hope nobody notices the deception

	What disturbs me about the situation
	is the small number of minority-activists
	who are uncomfortable with this development.

						Gerard Vignes


-- 

                Mai, y'all hab'en lisd'nen ta d'voice ah

                         RADIO FREE LAFAYETTE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject:  A MORNING MEDITATION 21
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Jul 1992 11:00 EDT  

Faith in Life and love for Life and men is my watchword for
today.  Since I am master of myself today, I am master of every
situation.  There is that within me which is stronger than
anything outside me.  Every step I take this day is in the
direction of more good--greater happiness.  Each step I take
affords me a glorious vision of magnificent achievement.  


Peace,

Eric Overton
Bound for higher ground.
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Soc.Culture IRC Group
Date: 27 Jul 1992 07:41:14 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello -- A while back someone mentioned an IRC group for 
soc.culture.african.american but I just logged in and could
not discern how it would be listed from that long listing.
Any know what it is called?  Thanks...
--bob
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Death of Mary Wells
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:50:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <92210.152440LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> <LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>Berry Gordy may not be any sleazier than others in the industry, but his sleaze
> is the product of his exploitation of his OWN PEOPLE, which does, in fact, mak
>e him worse.


The logical implication of what you say is that its better for a black
man to rip off a white man than another black man.

Is this what you mean?  If so, why?

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:43:23 GMT

In article <stovall.711322496@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:

>Did Amiri Baraka mean that Spike is inviting his own assasination,
>or that it is an irresponsible accusation? I thought Betty Shabazz
>and maybe even Warith Deen Muhammed had implicated Elijah Muhammed
>(and Louis Farrakhan).

I don't know about Betty Shabazz.  And I don't know about Elijah Muhammad.
But I know for sure that Warith Deen Muhammad hasn't implicated Louis
Farrkhan.

>steven stovall

Regards,
Behnam Sadeghi
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [Christic Institute:  More On The Worst Human Tragedy]
Date: 27 Jul 1992 01:17:11 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Subject: More On The Worst Human Tragedy

From dmorse Fri Jul 24 20:35:47 1992
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>

July 24 update.

Sen. Nancy Kassebaum appeared on MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour July 22. She has
just returned from Somalia

She said:
1. The situation is desperate beyond anything we can imagine. Children are
dying in silence, too weak to cry.

2. She thinks a UN peacekeeping force should be sent so that at least there
is enough stability to get food to the starving.

MacN/L showed video of skeletal children in refugee camps, in som cases with
their mothers fallen dead in front of them. Heartbreaking scenes.

Estimates are that 5000 people are dying each day.

I called Kassebaum's office; her aide for Africa advised me to call the State
Department to emphasize support for a UN peacekeeping force and continued
humanitarian aide.  The number to call is 1-202-647-4000.

Donations may be sent to Doctors Without Borders, 30 Rockefeller Plaza,
Suite 5425, NY,NY 10112 or the American Red Cross, P.O. Box 37243,
Wash. D.C., 20013.  Note on check "Somali relief."

Any comments and ideas would be welcome.
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:14:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 119 men and 86 women signed
up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected and
programmers are being lined up for the construction of the listserver.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:01:54 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <stovall.712263119@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard) writes:
>
>>her a "Silly Bigot Sistah".  I think with your opinion you are a silly
>>sell out.   Sort of like mc Mallet a.k.a. Hammer buying police cars and
>>copters for Oaktown rollers.  Since when would that help the
>>neighborhoods?   He should have helped the schools, but that's another
>>issue anyway.
>
>I'm no fan of Hammer's, but this could make sense if they had good

Well, I live in Oakland and I don't call what we have "community-based
policing".

More like a police state, where the "task force" runs wild stopping folks
at random that fit the stereo type.  That is young, AfAm, men that happen
to be, walking, driving, etc.

>community-based policing (which I think was one of Huey P's goals
>many years ago). But in any case, this sort of thing isn't surprising
>since Hammer is the prototypical American capitalist just like J.B.,
>who supported Ronald Reagan at the same time his life was unravelling
>from the long-term effects of P-Funk.


--
/*  -The opinions expressed are my own, not my employers.    */
/*      For I can only express my own opinions.              */
/*                                                           */
/*   Kent L. Shephard  : email - kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com   */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Black Demagogues and Pseudo-Scholars
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:22:28 GMT

fano@zoo1.ils.nwu.edu (Andy Fano) writes:


>Following is an essay by Henry Louis Gates that appeared on the op-ed
>page of the New York times on July 20, 1992.

>>How does this theology of guilt surface in our everyday moral
>>discourse?  In New York, earlier this spring, a forum was held at the
>>Church of St. Paul and Andrew to provide an occasion for blacks and
>>Jews to engage in dialogue on such issues as slavery and social
>>injustice.  Both Jewish and black panelists found common ground and
>>common causes.  But a tone-setting contingent of blacks in the
>>audience took strong issue with the proceedings.  Outraged, they
>>demanded to know why the Jews, those historic malefactors, had not
>>apologized to the "descendants of African kings and queens."

These presumably were the same "African kings and queens" of whom
Moses sang in the Song of Victory: "For the horse and rider have been
thrown into the sea...Hallelujah."
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:8386 sci.lang:6169 rec.sport.basketball.pro:15123
From: amunn@macbeth.umd.edu (Alan Munn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,sci.lang,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic Johnson and Arthur Ashe
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:37:02 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <xlnmhxj.scotty@netcom.com> scotty@netcom.com (J Scott Peter) writes:
>Could someone please post a summary of the grammatical and phonological
>rules of `Black English'.  With all the talk here about how internally
>consistent it is, and whether it's a dialect, and so on, it would be nice
>to know just what it is.

While you're at it, could you post a summary of the grammatical and
phonological rules of 'Standard English'.  With all the talk of how
internally consistent it is it would be nice to know what it is.

(For those of you who would like to know some of the ways in which
Black English differs from (and is similar to) Colloquial American
English, you could try Geneva Smitherman's " 'It Bees Dat Way
Sometime': Sounds and Structure of Present-Day Black English", in
_Talkin' and Testifyin'_, Houghton-Mifflin 1977; Reprinted in Clark,
Escholz and Rosa _Language: introductory readings_, St. Martin's
Press, 1985.  Also Chap. 7 of Akmajian, Demers and Harnish
_Linguistics:  An introduction to language and communication_, 2nd Ed.
MIT Press 1984)

--
Alan Munn           <amunn@umd5.umd.edu>
Linguistics Dept. U. Maryland College Park MD 20742


>J Scott Peter XXXIII  // "Instantiating new solutions in the emerging arena
>scotty@netcom.com    // of transcending the de-facto horizons of industry-
>Las Anjealous       // standard open paradigms."
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good Quote
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:19:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul26.173444.19928@news2.cis.umn.edu> mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.164120.29603@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>$In article <1992Jul26.065040.23059@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:
>$>In article <1992Jul24.201641.15147@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>$>>In article <1992Jul21.163342.3870@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu

>$>>For those of you keepng score, Mr. Franklin is the 16th white liberal,
>$>>Asian, or otherwise disaffected American on s.c.a.a. in 1992 to pee his
>$>>pants over someone's spelling.
>$>>
>$>>Apparently patriotism is the *second-to-last* refuge of a scoundrel.
>$>
>$>I'm rollin'.......................
>$>
>$>Yeeeaaah, boyyeeee! I'm out, Mc
>$>
>$
>$And also don't forget to count number of half size brains who cannot
>$finish a post without choice f and motherf words and those who go
>$along.
>
>Oh yeah, I just love CHOICE Fs and MOTHERFs who chime in three weeks after

Dang, what the heck did I step into? 

Mc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:54:01 GMT

kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:


>Since "Aretha" didn't get it, maybe he is more familiar with an old saying
>re: his statement about America being the best place for Blacks to live-
>that a drowning man will reach for the point of a sword.

>	-Kenny



Unless his name is Kenny and he does not HAVE a point. :)




>p.s. - I'm sure anyone as competent as he trumpets himself to be could have
>figured out what I was getting at- it's too bad he's resorted to flame-baiting.


I hope you don't call this recent, anemic, little warmth "flames"...

I still haven't reached for the asbestos suit.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american