From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: My Heritage
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:22:02 GMT
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 Ri> QUOTING: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
 Ri> Message-ID: <m0mRBM9-0000NbC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>
 Ri> free of the rituals & observances of days and months and all ...
    Partially from your outlook, it is hard in the limited amount of
    time I have to address this issue fully. - So briefly:
 A. Yochanan says: The Commandments of the L-rd are NOT grievious.
 B. Y'shua says to do, - even the least of the Mitzvot/Commands.
 C. The problem wasn't the Torah, (The Instruction of G-d); the problem
 was man's approach to It.  Where, {as in Tanakh/(The O.T.)}, It
 declares that they were teaching instead of the Commandments/Mitzvot
 of G-d, the commandments of men.
 D. While Y'shua did not have a problem with the halachah of men where
 it did not counterdict the Word of G-d -[all that they say unto you
 do, for they sit in the seat of Moshe -(a Mishnaic/Oral-Talmudic
 term)]- He did have a problem when their 'custom/tradition/commands-of
 -men' were against the Word of G-d, making it of no effect -[but after
 their example do not do, for they make burdens grievious, etc.,
 (Matt.)].  This was a particular problem during the 1st century, as
 even the Talmud tells us that the P'rushim/Pharacees and folks of that
 generation were off-the-wall. ex. -The Temple was destroyed because
 they were content to live in the letter of the Law, whereas the Torah
instucts that those who'd be righteous, must live beyond the letter of
the Torah -(Rabbinic quote from Talmud); and again: -The Temple was
destroyed, because the Sanhedrin of that generation was a bloody
Sanhedrin, because they put to death, etc., -(another Rabbinic quote,)
E. The parts of the Torah that were "grievous to bear", as spoken of by
the Talmidim/Disciples and Emissaries of Y'shua, (Acts 15 I think),
were the Temple Ordinances. These are also which later the writer of
Hebrews says have vanished away - into the Heavenlies - with our High
Priest Y'shua Messiah.  This is only 1/3 of Torah, and it is not
'abolished', - (have Heaven & earth passed away? no -> we're still here
:-), rather it is kept FOR us, by our Heavenly High Priest.
F. The other two parts of the Torah are not "grevious", the Moral
Mitzvot - Love G-d with your whole self [paraph], love your neighbor
as thyself -(for example), are two of the positive Torah Moral Mitzvot.
They're not only NOT grievious, but rather bring grief if NOT followed!
G. The last 1/3 is the Torah Judaic Injunctions.  Given to the house of
Israel specificly, - yet allowed to the Goyim/Gentiles, as they are
led by the Ruach HaKodesh/The Holy Spirit.  These are NOT grieveous
either!  Are you grieved with you get together with your family on
Thanksgiving for dinner?  - Then why would you be grieved in getting
together for a Pesach/Passover Seder/Dinner?  - See my point?  But, of
course, certain commandments of men, that are 'additions' to the Word
of G-d, COULD make them grieveous, -(of course the actions of men can
at times make ANYTHING grieveous :-), IF these additions are countrary
to the Word of El*him/G-d.
H. Rebbe Sha'ul/Paul's comments concerning the observance of "Days,
etc...", were directed to Gentiles, (if you'll note the context).  It
becomes clear that this is NOT against the Torah observances, if for no
other reason then it is spoken of by Sha'ul as being elemental-spirits/
mundane; and he NEVER would have said this about the Commandments of
G-d!  Rather, Sha'ul here is addressing pagan observances. That they
were going 'back to'.  Since they were Genitles [btw] they couldn't
go 'back to' Judaic observance, if that's what Sha'ul had meant :-)
Besides - note in Acts that Sha'ul himself kept the Feasts of the L-rd.
 Ri> if I refferred to myself as an MJ would I then be obliged ...
    Only as led of the L-rd.  You are obligated to Him and His Word
    first - then man second, -(if even at all to man, in this context!)
 Ri> Is this what Laura meant when she said you'd say I was "acting goy
    Somewhat.
 BC> ... 012 Shalom Alechem ---> <--- Alechem Shalom 210
    The 012 are ascii charaters that will only show up, if you have
    IBM, as borders.  Alechem means = unto-you.

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