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From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Keywords: LSD, Acid, flashback, Ren & Stimpy
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:27:19 GMT

In <1992Jul22.050412.14481@u.washington.edu> gmarter@shelley.u.washington.edu (Guerren Marter) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.211036.19517@cco.caltech.edu> slr@cco.caltech.edu (Steve L. Rhoades) writes:
>>moving out of the corner of his eye.  When he looks toward the "moving"
>>object, everything's normal.
>>
>>Anyone else experience this ?
>>

>   For my friends and myself, this has been accepted as normal - if its
>not, I'd be suprised.  If your friend has taken as often as you wrote that
>he had, I'm intrigued that this only exists in his peripheral vision - 
>usually after that much exposure, I've noted that tracers and small moving
>objects occur in straightforward vision also.

>  (i'm not too wacked here, am I?)

>Loki

I also have these momentary shifts in vision when looking at an object such as a wall as well as noticing movement out of the corner of my eye.  I have also    become much more aware of sound reflecting off surfaces - I think tripping just
makes you more aware of these things although I quite often interpret visual 
disturbances as flashbacks since it resembles what happens to your vision
during a trip (particularly the later stages - i.e. mild, low-level effects).
During a trip these disturbances seem to be the hallucinations impinging
slightly on physical reality.

Swan
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: flashbacks, bad trips, etc.
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:20:55 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <EeQYNDC00UhWM3qKMb@andrew.cmu.edu> ww1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Spaulding Wood) writes:

>Woah...phuq-ed up studdly.  I was just curious, as a niave 19 year-old,
>is it possible for one to have tripped on a farly frequent basis, say
>once a week or so, for half a year, or so, this being 26 times, roughly,
>and never haave had a bad trip, or flashback?  

A psychiatrist I know in Boston took LSD with his friends a number of
times in the 60's, but he never saw anything in it. He told me once
that the only interesting experience he had was when he was watching a
football game on TV and noticed that the grass was very green.

I took LSD several times before I had anything very unusual happen. I
had to learn how to let the stranger things occur. I eventually
got quite good at it. Nonetheless, I don't find it that interesting
now, as, like most things, it tends to be repetitive after a while
(3 or 400 trips). If it were reliably available I would probably use it 
mostly for problem-solving these days.

Never had a flashback, but I once had problems with melting mantlepieces
and walls for a few evenings. Never experienced anything like that on LSD, 
though. I assume I just had a brief but mild psychosis of some sort. It 
went away when I stopped worrying about it (I don't imply cause here, 
just correlation). Most bad (unpleasant, I mean) effects of LSD also
go away when you stop worrying about them. Sometimes that is no fun. I
could take 500 ug of LSD and have pretty much a normal consciousness, 
but what would be the point? (I have learned how to move from full-blown,
out-of-this space hallucinations to lucid perception and clarity of mind
in a few minutes. Or perhaps I just hallucinated the whole transition :-)

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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD->Insanity (ooh, scary!)
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:09:28 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Jul27.083729.468@ms.uky.edu>, sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes:
>It's interesting that an LSD tripper has pretty much the same symptoms
>of someone with acute schizophrenia. Imagine taking a dose... but it
>never wears off...

Same *objective* symptoms.  There are drugs that alleviate schizophrenia. 
When they gave schizophrenics these drugs, and then LSD, the patients
reported that the LSD experience felt very different subjectively.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my corrected PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: bb@generali.harvard.edu (Brent Byer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:13:18 GMT
Organization: Textware, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Jul28.212840.25085@csccat.cs.com> larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
>
>Haven't there been studies done on Jamaican populations where _very_ heavy
>marijuana smoking is common?  One would think that if smoking marijuana
>increased the risk of lung cancer, emphysema, etc., that those Rastas would 
>be dropping like flies, and that the US government would point this out. 

"Ganja in Jamaica", 1972.  (see Books in Print)
Reports on comprehensive studies of cannabis use, and its effects, in Jamaica.

Based on my own observations from living in rural Jamaica for a few years:
Jamaicans are a very healthy people (life expectancy greater than U.S., yet
per capita GDP is one-tenth of U.S.).  In my opinion, there is no way to
compare the health effects of cannabis use on Jamaicans to its effects on,
for example, a US population.  Very few Jamaican women use herb.
Jamaicans breathe better air, eat cleaner food, and hardly know what
stress is ("No problem, mon."); they also get adequate exercise.

Here is a (hopefully) thought-provoking anecdote.  Back in the mid-70's
I would always bring a couple of cartons (duty-free) of cigarettes to
my farmer friends in JA.  I asked them what they thought of the American cigs;
(I had brought Marlboro regs & unfiltered Camels) they said that they
weren't as strong as the Jamaican cigs (Craven 'A'),  *AND*  the American
cigs "burned too fast" !!  Yes, a lit but idle Marlboro burned about twice
as fast as the Craven 'A'.  (Hey, we have to pay all those lobbyists.)

Is it possible that the accelerants, and other additives, make a non-trivial
contribution to the carcinogenicity of (first-world) cigarettes?

  brent, man in the hills

PS  Did you know that Senator Jesse Helms has aides?
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Quibbles, hypocrisy, etc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:42:44 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

All I was doing was making an unimportant, minor statement about the
current government, I.E. an administration that thinks drugs are evil 
and tries to ban them is not hypocritical. Stupid, shortsided, totalitarian
and many other things sure, but not hypocritical. Why is it so impossible to
have a normal conversation without everything turning into a holy war?


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From: graeme@sealink1.oe.fau.edu ()
Subject: Giving Blood
Reply-To: rae@sol.cse.fau.edu
Organization: Advanced Marine Systems Group 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:59:59 GMT


Just a quick series of related questions :

     What happens to your blood after you donate a pint? 
     What's it tested for? I know they say that they test
     for all the usual things (HIV,HepA HepB etc) and say
     it is confidential. What about testing for 'other' 
     substances? Is it done? What are their legal obligations?
     Does it matter if the organization collecting is private
     or state?  

This just struck me as an ideal way for the government, if not 
to stop, but at least collect large amounts of data on the
prevalence of drug use.
Anybody out there ever worked in this field, or knows what goes on?






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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Cultivating T. Peruvianus
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 09:02:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin) writes:
: 	Jeez, I have had extremely bad luck getting seeds to sprout.
: I am far past 2 weeks, too. Mine I laid on the surface of moistened 
: succulent mix and sealed with plastic so that heavy dew forms.
: Still waiting.

Don't panic yet.  Your conditions sound perfect and it took mine a 
couple weeks at least.

: 	Cactus cuttings can be rooted, correct? If I just got a  15"
: cutting I just stick in wet mix and let it root, right? I can't cut
: it up into multiple pieces for multiple plants, can I? Also, I remember
: seeing a somewhat involved process for extracting alkaloids from cactii.
: Is this the only means (vs merely consuming the flesh?) Would this
: process have to be performed on peyotl plants?

Cant' speak to rooting but you can just boil a hunk down and gulp the 
goo I'm told.  Probably could just chew it up raw effectively if not
palatably.

Bob

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Stomp out intolerance!
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Info. on nutmeg
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:50:06 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

jdymond@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Jason Dymond) writes:
>Safrole is the persursor for MDA. Myristicin, found in nutmeg, is I
>believe the percursor for MDMA

No, safrole is the precursor for MDA or MDMA.
Myristicin is the precursor for MMDA.

MDA  = 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine
MDMA = 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine
     = N-Methyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetmaine (N-methyl-MDA)
MMDA = 3,4-methylenedioxy-5-methoxy-amphetamine

Safrole gives 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone which is the precursor to
both MDA and MDMA.  Myristicin gives 3,4-methylenedioxy-5-methoxy-
phenylacetone (right?) which is the precursor to MMDA.

>         O     //\     /\               O     //\     /\     NH2   <----+ 
>       /   \ //    \ /    \           /   \ //    \ /    \ /            | 
>     /      |      ||     ||        /      |      ||      |       NH2 replaced 
>    CH2     |      ||     ||       CH2     |      ||      |       by O is 3,4- 
>     \      |      ||     ||        \      |      ||      |       methylene-
>       \   / \\    /                  \   / \\    /               dioxyphenyl- 
>         O     \\/                      O     \\/                 acetone 
>                                                                  (precursor)
>           (Safrole)                         (MDA)
>                                            
> 
>         O     //\     /\     NHCH3  
>       /   \ //    \ /    \ /      
>     /      |      ||      |    
>    CH2     |      ||      |  
>     \      |      ||      |    
>       \   / \\    /            
>         O     \\/          
> 
>             (MDMA)
>
>
>         O     //\     /\               O     //\     /\     NH2    
>       /   \ //    \ /    \           /   \ //    \ /    \ /       
>     /      |      ||     ||        /      |      ||      |      
>    CH2     |      ||     ||       CH2     |      ||      |     
>     \      |      ||     ||        \      |      ||      |    
>       \   / \\    /                  \   / \\    /           
>         O     \\/                      O     \\/           
>                |                              |
>                O                              O
>                |                              |
>               CH3                            CH3 
>
>           (Myristicin)                       (MMDA)

I'm making a Structure Activity Relationship FAQ on phenethylamines which
includes these ASCII drawings BTW.
                                          
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Subject: Re: anything about DMT
From: gallaghe@vax.sonoma.edu (Mycal)
Date: 27 Jul 1992 19:22 PST  
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <oeQqwsa00iUx0462ZD@andrew.cmu.edu>, William Spaulding Wood <ww1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>Who knows anything about this stuff?  I've read it described as "like
>stepping on to a moving rollercoaster."
>Yet it can be manufactured in the home?
>FAQ-sheet anybody? 
>Adversities anybody?
> 
>    ~wig, curiosity killed the cat, maybe I'm next

I have seen a few synthesis' most starting with L-tryptophan (ever wonder
why L-tryptophan is illeagal now?  Was Showa Denko part of an intriguing
conspiracy?) 

Indole is readily 3-substituted and there are many well known reactions to
produce directly 3-substituted indoles from simple precursors. Hence DMT
is not that difficult to make.

A few years ago some friends and I took a trip through the univercity Library
and came up with a few synthesis' on our own, not that we ever made any, but
we thought about it.

Check out :
	R. A. Gray [Pineapple Research Institute of Hawaii]
	Preparation and Properties of 3-Indoleacetaldehyde [IAc]
	Arch. Biochem. Biophysics 81, 480-8 (1959)
-or-
interesting things you can do with L-tryptophan and Clorox Bleach.

And then follow with :
	Leukart
	Chem. Ber. 18, 2341 (1885) {Ger.}
	Wallach
	Ann. Chem. 272, 100 (1892) {Ger.}

Note DMF (dimethylformamide) is probably to be prefered over formamide since
IAc is not stable in an acidic solution.

Well I don't recomend synthesis of any drug unless you know what your doing.

And that should Pad my NSA file enough for today :')

mycal
From: canorml@igc.org (NORML California)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: carcinogenicity of mj smoke com
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:02:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul16.042423.4489@ucsu.color:1350892230:cdp:1301300175:000:890
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!canorml    Jul 21 00:02:00 1992


   Chemically, mj and tobacco smoke contain comparable levels of most
carcinogens, (mj slightly more in some instances, slightly less in others).
Studies of animal skin exposed to mj and tobacco tars show similar carcino-
genic effects.  (See the 1982 National Academy of Sciences Study, "MJ
and Health" for details).  
  The major difference between mj and tobacco is in how they are smoked -
mj is inhaled more deeply, but in smaller quantities, and tends to affect
the larger, upper air passageways, throat and neck;  tobacco tends to
penetrate to the lower passageways of the lung.  Several case studies
have indicated a link between mj smoking and throat, neck and tongue
cancer, but as yet not lung cancer.  Unlike tobacco, mj probably doesn't
cause emphysema.  For details, ask for California NORML's "Health Tips
for Marijuana Smokers," 2215-R Market St. #278, S.F., CA 94114 ($5).
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Carter and decrim (was: Re: Advertisement in the UK Times..)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:28:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Wow, thanks for the account.  I was there for all that and then some.
The part about Carter is very true.  There was simply no hassle
during those years and the authorities turned their heads for marijuana.
I had firemen save my crop of 12, 5" beauties with wet tarps when my house
burned in 1978, the middle of his term.  One dropped by later to talk
shop and exchange growing tips.

Before him Johnson and Nixon were just too damn busy with all the war and
scandle problems to pay much attention and Ford didn't seem to have any
opinion so pretty much left it alone.  I would love to see statistics
showing DEA expenses for those times and these times in todays dollars.

Interesting viewpoint on Lennon.

Bob
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Stomp out intolerance!

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: What is Hydrocodone called in Mexico
Keywords: Vicodin, Lortab
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:33:22 GMT

In article <_8pmzgf.dgidez@netcom.com> dgidez@netcom.com (Daniel Gidez) writes:
>My father has returned to mexico after being treated for cancer.
>Up here he was taking Vicodin and Lortab 7 the chemical name is
>Vicod Im sorry Hydrocodone Bitartate 5mg. 
>
>Eventually hell be taking morphine but until then he will need this,
>does anyone know what Hydrocodone is named in Mexico, he asked his doctor 
>who gave him percodan compuesto (oxycodone HCI) but he doesnt need anything
>that strong yet. The physician down there had "never heard of it" but yet 
>prescribed a stronger drug [the tactic of discouraging a drug by claiming
>ignorance is common however since he got stronger medication I assume this
>isnt the case]

Oxycodone is, if anything, more effective orally than hydrocodone.
If he's concerned about its "strength", take less of the oxycodone.
There are preparations which contain 2.5mg oxycodone rather than
the nominal 5mg.  You should consider yourself lucky that he has
a doctor who isn't being unnecessarily wimpy about pain relief.

Plus, 5mg oxycodone is really pretty weak stuff.

-- 
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From: rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter)
Subject: Mom's conviction tossed... (from a short AP article)...
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Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 07:53:30 GMT


From a short AP article (24 JUL 92);

The Florida Supreme Court on Thursday (23 JUL 92) overturned
the conviction of Jennifer Johnson, one of the first women to
be prosecuted for delivering drugs to her unborn baby (through
the umbilical cord...).

Her lawyers argued (successfully) that the conviction violated
the intent of the state legislature.

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From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:46:43 GMT
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I have only heard that Mr. Bob Marley died of a Brain Tumor not Lung Cancer.
Any other informed expressions of knowledge welcomed!

Maurice
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:58:17 GMT

bill nelson writes:
> Well, you are wrong. By the governments own figures - about 30% of regular
> users of cocaine become addicted. I think you are drastically overstating
> your position.

Perhaps you'd think otherwise if you read what I wrote.

I don't know what "regular users" are, I have contended nothing
about them, I don't expect inquiry on hopelessly vague terms to
be very productive, and I've written nothing on the subject.

I took no "position", I summarized data.  Either they replicate
or they don't.  Sorry, not much controversy here.

> please use drugs that affect people this way,
> rather than affecting rats.

Why should we limit inquiry to a particular species?

> I would say that the pleasure derived from the drug is more likely 
> to lead to abuse than any addictive potential.

Circularity time.  How do you measure pleasure?

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
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From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Subject: Re: Definition of an addict.
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:20:21 GMT


In a previous article, cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) says:

>>>I think the most absurd example of behavior that is termed a 'sickness'
>>>was when that baseball player Pete Rose tried to excuse his activities by
>>>claiming to have a gambling addiction.  From what I could tell, he also
>>>had a lying addiction, an irresponsibility addiction, and was some kind of
>>>sociopath because he didn't think anybody could see through it all.  I
>>>think we have made a big mistake claiming 'illness' for controllable
>>>behavior.  

If you had spent any amount of time with large groups of 
recovering addicts of all types, you would know that virtually
ALL lied, acted irresponsibly, exhibited denial, and believed
their own lies.  The disease typically causes the addict to lose his
values, along with everything else, including, ultimately, his life.

>> How much time have you spent studying addiction
>> and recovery?  I've been at it for over 6 years.

>I'm a psychologist and have been interested in the subject, studying it
>and working as a psychotherapist for a number of years.  Am an associate
>professor and counselor.

If the Pete Roses of the world get pushed into Gamblers
Anonymous, you don't make any money.  You're biased
against the 12-step programs for this reason.  I'd
guess you also reject the higher power aspect, since
many people with advanced degrees are atheists with
inflated egos.  Likewise, anyone who is cashing in
on government, whether in the private or public sector,
will tend to reject any disease-type explanation or
spiritual solution for our chronic political failures,
because of the impact on their personal income.
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From: mbcamps@hubcap.clemson.edu (Matt Campbell)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:22:03 GMT


I think that the death of Bob Marley was due to smoking huge amounts of
dope.  The burning spear hit it's mark, which just happened to be
old Bob's throat!

Matt
mbcamps@hubcap.clemson.edU

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