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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:31:18 PST
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Marco's whereabouts

Anyone,

Where is Marco?

I was supposed to meet him sometime this week, but I have heard
absolutely nothing about where he is.  He's supposed to be in San
Francisco today (which will be the closest to me) but SF
is a big city.  Please let me know if anyone knows where he could be.
I really would like to have a mini allmusic get together with him.

from San Jose, CA,
Mike Masuda
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:13:05 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: The rain, the park, and other things

Hi again, Bloomie -

>> Oh, Lenny, this morning I awoke to "Money Baroney" on the oldies station
>
>That's "Bonie Moronie," innit? Or was this an intentional spoonerism? Also,
>was it the original '50s version, or the Billy Idol remake?

You know, I really must stop posting at that hour of the morning....I was
sleepy and screwed it up. At that hour I probably couldnt have spelled
spoonerism, much less intentionally created one!!! I'm a night person. In
any case, it was the original. I believe Billy Idol remade "Mony, Mony",
not "Boney Maroney".

>
>I once called up a CD phone shopping service to get their free catalog. The
>operator wanted to know what kind of music I liked. I said I liked all kinds,
>and named some examples to prove I wasn't being clueless. The operator said
>I had to pick one, so I asked what the choices were. The usual suspects: rock,
>jazz, classical, country, "easy listening." I said they all had their merit
>and they all had their problems, except that easy listening was clearly not
>what I was into, and could I sign up for difficult listening? They never
>even sent me the free catalog. Phooey.

God, you crack me up! I've tried similar discussions. People just don't
have a sense of humor about music anymore....

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:00:13 MEZ
From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: One-Hit Wonders
              8 Jan 1993 09:34:08 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

Marsha,

  Normally I'm a sucker for lists, but I'm afraid that a 'One-Hit-Wonders-
List' would be toooooo long to make it worth while. I mean, do you
realise how many OHWs exist? Sorry, but I'll give this one a miss.

Hosko
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:30:50 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MTV

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:16:53 PST Mike said:
>The Unplugged idea is cool, I wish they would have more interesting
>groups there to play, and more often.

Yeah. I'd like to see something like this with new/unknown bands. MTV used
to actually break bands, but the only bands they break now are ones that look
just like the rap/metal/dance crap they play constantly. (Not that every video
in those genres is crap, just the average.)

>How about some classical jazz pieces?
>More footage from, say, Weather Report,

Definitely! Hey, if they want flashy stuff, they could use some of Miles'
shows from the 80's where he was dressing pretty bright. But I think we've had
the 'jazz on eMpTV' discussion before....

>Liquid Television is cool, if they could show more of the innovative stuff.
>"Dog Boy" bites.

I catch this at random, and some of it is pretty cool and hip. The game shows
make me run screaming from the room. They'd be my nomination for stupidest TV
ever. Actually, I sorta liked the first one they had, which had folks trying
to identify snatches of music etc., more like a trivia show, but without the
ridiculousness.

Paul
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:30:00 EST
From:         EdD tHe MaDd <DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      tape thing

  Message uppon the vine
    informational drape-
  Songs in certain time
    these are my grapes:

  Of the PiXiEs lines
    a flying cretin song-
  Where_Is_My_Mind
    only 3 min and 47 seconds long

  My favorite note
    Ed_is_Dead
  I know by rote
    a 2 minute,28 second stead

  but last is of Bauhause fame
  Night_Time (3:07) it goes by name

        On second thought
          Brevity at 480 seconds sought,
        Since my collection runs long,
          just cut that Night Time Song...

                                   EdD tHe MaDd

 PS
   Oh, yes,
     I need a mailing address
        use of parcel post would be best...
                                             Ed.
From: R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Russ Gelinas)
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Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie - RIP (sob)
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:13:29 GMT
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>So one of the innovators is gone.  There should be someone replacing
>him, but who is that going to be??????????????

Jeff, can you puff out your cheeks?  Maybe you should "accidently"
step on your horn and bend it.

Got any good ideas of just what this new form of jazz will be?  Perhaps
a marriage between trad. jazz and modern synthesis (ie. MIDI, computers)
You should be right there.  Most m.s. stuff I've heard has little to
do with jazz sensibilities, but i'll admit to being far from the cutting
edge of that stuff.  Anything interesting to report in that vein?

Russ
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:24:46 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: 1992 Allmusic Awards

>It's time for nominations of Allmusic's 1992 awards.  Here are categories.

>1. Rising star or revelation of the year.
Marsha Ferziger.  Not only does she talk intrestingly about interesting music,
but she also strives to keep the list collegial.  Way to go.

>2. Wittiest poster.  (Rolling on the Floor Laughing Prize)
Rick McRae

>3. Most consistent initiator & promoter of dialogue. (Threadmaker Award)
Again, I'll go with the consensus and vote for Mike Masuda.

>4. Funkiest poster.
Sonia, the self-described "Yenta-Hellion" of Allmusic. Who else mixes Klezmer,
blues, and speed metal in the the same posting?

>5. Nastiest poster (Painful Plague Prize)
Ben, in a walk.

>6. Friendliest and kindest Allmusicker.
Well, I'm not being very original here, but Marco takes this hands down.

>7. Clueless poster award. (Frippie Prize)
Mr. Achey Breaky Eddie Armstrong of VMI.

>8. Grossest musical mistake in a post.  (Ignoramus Prize, aka Renato Barahona
>Award for misattribution of _Ionisation_)
Sonia's mis-ascription of _Peter and the Wolf_ to Tchaikovsky.
(Sorry, Sonia, but if you're going to run with the big dogs, you've got
to go potty in the tall grass :)).

>9. Most original review of a tape, album or CD.
Sonia, again, but I preferred her review of Mutually Assured Destruction.
I still crack up every time I imagine "Tweety Bird after est training."

>10. Sexiest poster.  (Libby Doe Prize)
Libby Doe, of course.

>11. Most playful poster.
The scarce, but always appreciated chuckrateez.

>12. Best Allmusic flamer.
Tim Johnson, who does righteous indignation even better than me.

>13. Most astonishing confession or personal revelation.
The extremely advanced age of Renato Barahona :)

>14. Strangest Allmusic post.
Some guy asking how much milk steers give.

>15. Classiest Allmusicker.
John McIntyre, without a doubt.

>16. Most dazzling all-around poster.
Da Beer.  Is there *anything* about jazz he doesn't know?

>17. Keeper of the Allmusic flame award.  (To the person who epitomizes
>the spirit & ideals -- whatever they might be -- of the list.  This is the
>highest honor that can be accorded an Allmusicker.)
Bloomdido, in awe of whose musical knowledge I constantly stand.

-Scott "WHO RULES METAL TO APPOSE ALL DEATH" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:07:06 EST
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde

Well, Jeff, what do you have to say to the man? (-:

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In article <EARLYM-L%93010618253924@AEARN.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>,
MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester) quotes me:
> >True, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist, nor even a
> >gamba player, to see that what Savall plays is not what the actors
> >are mimicking.  It's not even close.  Well, Depardieu fils probably
> >had a few cello lessons.  Otherwise it was pretty dismal acting--
> >amateur "air guitar" players are more convincing musicians.

> Well, Harpo Marx is dead.  Seriously, what do you want?  You aren't
> going to get realistic "playing" from people that can't play.  Name a
> movie where you have.  It certainly was better the "playing" than Bird.
> You make it like we owe Milli Vanilli an apology.

Most movies fail at musical realism, but then, most are not about
the heart and soul of music.  I mean, it doesn't matter that the
singer is strumming her guitar halfway down the fingerboard in
Casablanca--her fumbling is irrelevant to the action, and even lends
a naive charm--but "Tous Les Matins" *is* about St. Colombe, Marais,
and the interplay of their private and public art.  How they played
tells us who they are, and in pretending badly they both came off
like cardboard.

Savall himself would have been an excellent choice for Marais--those
who know him say that his arrogance and his masterful but cool technique
made him a natural.  And who better for les filles de St Colombe than
the group, "Les Filles de St Colombe"?  OK, it would take an
imaginative makeup artist to turn Mary Springfels into a nymphet,
but when she plays she has this St. Cecelia radiance which transcends
mere appearance.  The movie was about just that radiance, so it
really needed skilled players to make it work.

For me anyway.  Mary herself enjoyed it immensely.  But she noted that
she often had to close her eyes.

               *** ***
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07 Jan 93   ****** ******   18 Nivose An CCI
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:08:19 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed
              11 Jan 1993 11:47:10 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.U CHICAGO.EDU>

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:47:10 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>>Question: I'm going to see Emmy Lou and i'll be on the 3rd row, so i was
>>gonna take a camera. The back of the ticket says No Camera...etc, i wonder
>>what will happen if i sneak it in and at least get one picture, will they
>>take my camera (if so can i borrow yours) or just say no-no. Has anyone
>>done this.............L.W.
>
Gawd, what an incredible come down from the palmy days of the '60s & my
favorite trick of seeing shows from the edge of the stage, courtesy of my
Yashica SLR (& 135mm lens & TriX, pushed to 800-1600.  A friend used to use
surveillance film at 3200-16000, which is nice if you want pictures of grain
but otherwise worthless.) & rationalized by working for the college weekly
rag.  There are a hell of a lot of other things to get uptight about than
cameras, like maybe a tape recorder, hmmmmm?

>My ex-boyfriend snuck a camera into the Atlantic Records 40th Anniversary
>concert when we went. We were lucky and he got 6 rolls of pictures without
>getting caught, but when they caught the people near us, they took out and
>exposed the film, then confiscated the camera. The people could pick up the
>camera after the concert at the security desk. They also searched the
>people to see if they had any other cameras hidden on them. it can be done,
>but be careful. I'm sure there are some shows where they don't give back
>the camera....
>Marsha J. Ferziger

This sounds quasi-legal at best:  a public figure has no right not to be
photographed in public, as far as I know, and even a private figure has no
defense if the photos aren't sold.  You could make a case for banning flash
units on the grounds of safety.  As for ripping out the film:  that's
destruction of private property for no legally valid reason.  Even if you
allow confiscation of the camera during the show, there can't possibly be any
way to legally keep it:  you aren't trespassing, you obviously aren't being
reimbursed for it, it isn't a threat to public safety/morals, nor a disturbance
of the peace, etc.  So back to you it better go, in the same condition in
which you turned it over.  Marsha, why not take this up with one of your
profs at the appropriate time?  It bothers me greatly a) that concert manage-
ment/entertainers would attempt to restrict a basic right under flimsy
pretexts that they couldn't possibly do outside their doors; b) that everyone
else would meekly accept this state of affairs.
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:11:29 +0200
From:         guest <GUEST@TRBILUN.BITNET>
Subject:      New sources to Jazz

Jeff Beer writes:

>>It's not a matter of creating a new style of jazz anymore, because jazz
>>has become so varied, it is near impossible to create a new niche
>>that no one has ever thought of doing.  All of the permutations
>>and fusions have probably been done in jazz.  I think it is a matter

... stuff deleted

>Again, I think for now all the world music has been mined.  It has looked at
>India, Brazil, Africa, Bali, Japan, Latin America, where else can you go?

Maybe they will look at Turkish Music. See:

OKAY TEMIZ, a Turkish percussionist living in Sweden.
PETER GABRIEL, working with Kudsi Erguner in Passion.
ATTILA ENGIN, a Turkish drummer.
AYDIN ESEN, a New Yorker

Also listen to Keith Jarrett albums for Turkish Music influence.

Sina Hakman (A Newcomer)

guest@trbilun.bitnet
Ankara, Turkey
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Mozart Was First Rocker
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:30:56 GMT

In article <9301052341.AA03991@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> writes:
>"John Wayne believes television and the movies are leading the world toward
>moral disaster."  [note: John obviously digs speed metal since he didn't
>include it in his warning]

Frank Zappa has some funny stories about John Wayne in his autobio.

Jeff
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:03:17 EST
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Elvis on ice

      Looks like the whole day went by without any mention of Birthday
   Boy or that damned stamp. (By the way, Elvis would have been 326 lb. today.)
   Well, I saw a tidbit  in today's Buffalo News that shouldn't escape
   the mass ridicule of the list.

      The Buffalo Sabres hockey team (4th place in the Adams Division of the
   Wales Conference of the National Hockey League, 19 wins, 15 losses, if you
   care) are playing the NY Islanders tonight in Bflo, and it's happens to be
   *timpani roll* *cymbal crash* ELVIS NITE!!  No, no, they didn't give away
   free barbituates and secanol to the first 500 overweight ticketholders with
   sideburns and digestive problems.
   What they did was try to get a buncha cardboard Elvis masks to hand out to
   people at the turnstiles (who, no doubt, would have preferred the narcotics)
   but, alas, the Graceland estate wouldn't authorize permission. What to do?

   Well, it turns out there's a player for the team named Wayne... *get this*
     PRESLEY!!!   No relation, either familial or physical. (At least Elvis
   had his teeth.)    But hey, close enough in a pinch, right?  So they're
   falling all over themselves proclaiming that for tonight at least, this
   other Presley is gonna be the King himself. They got pictures  of Wayne
   all over the rat-hole of a stadium, and no doubt many lovestruck fans
   are going to toss him their underwear and apartment keys each time he's
   highsticking or spearing an Islander. They're already calling him Elvis
   in the papers, but I don't know if the management  presented him with blue
   suede skates or not.
   Anyway, it's sure to raise ticket sales, if not those of next week's
Weekly World News with the headline "Elvis Sighted in Rundown Hockey Rink;
Gets Crosschecked and Loses Another Tooth"(drugged-up fat constipated hockey
fan tells all).

   Back to the penalty box,
   Rick
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:32:47 +0200
From:         canderso@CLN.ETC.BC.CA
Subject:      Re: What did ya listen to

>I'm curious to what the last album/cd..etc everyone listened to, we know
>what everyone likes, but what have you listened to lately.

All week I have been having troubles falling asleep and last night I put on
The Immaculate Collection by Madonna and I had no problem falling asleep.
There is just something about her that calms me down at night but during
the day it gives me a burst of energy.

"YOU'VE GOT TO JUST LET YOUR BODY MOVE TO THE MUSIC" MADONNA - VOGUE
Chad
====================================
Chad Anderson - student
Fort Nelson Secondary School
Fort Nelson B.C.
canderso@cln.etc.bc.ca
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:07:29 -0500
From:         "Elizabeth F. Miller" <emil@SEQ1.LOC.GOV>
Subject:      Who performed this song?

I am trying to find out who performed the song with the 70's pop song with
the following refrain:

Come on people now, smile on your brother
Everybody get together, come and love one another right now...

Please respond directly to me

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:40:20 EST
From:         Mike Karolchik <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Dixie Dregs

A brief comment here from one of ALLMUSIC's infamous non-posters...
Word is that the Dixie Dregs will perform this evening (Thursday) on
the Tonight Show. Check it out... they're great!

-Mike t.l.g.
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:37:17 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Keith kayos Kodak-karryin' kid

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:03:10 EST Rick said:
>. . .  when a photographer showed up in front of the stage in hopes of
>of capturing the performer and instrument in flagrante delicto for posterity
>(or at least the campus newspaper).

Shoulda used his telephoto  (-:
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:47:11 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hang The World: Musician flirts with the f

On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:31:52 EST jc-s said:
>
>This week i get to pick the cd, and i'm just not sure what i want
>yet.  I toyed with the idea of fleshing out my classical shelf,
>but i think my pop shelf still needs work, or perhaps my ethnic
>section. any suggestions?
>
>jenna cole-steele

Need you ask?  Gabrieli, Guami, Gesualdo, & Gibbons--and that is just the
G's (-:
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:01:23 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      MTV (Rev. Dave)

Rev. Dave Hall said: "Another idea might be to publish more than one video,
each providing a different angle on the same song."

U2 did this with their song "One" from _Achtung Baby_. As much as I'm sick to
death of U2, I liked the approach. One featured Bono looking pouty in a
restaurant, another featured buffalo, and the third was a black-and-white
"minifilm" thing (a bit too reminiscent of Depeche Mode for my baby blues).

At the very least, it woke me from my vegetative, after-work,
staring-at-the-screen state of mind.

Heather

P.S. Something tells me R.E.M. might have done the same thing. (Big surprise)
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:52:45 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Rick Danko

Rick Danko is coming to town this weekend , has anyone seen him as a
solo act. I know about Robertson & Helm and what they meant to The Band,
but i'm not sure what Danko's contributions were, can someone enlighten
me. ....................L. "The Clueless Wonder" W.
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:41:23 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed
              11 Jan 1993 16:26:47 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.U CHICAGO.EDU>

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:26:47 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>
>As far as this not-even-close-to-being-a-lawyer can tell, it comes down to
>two different rights: the performer's and the photographer's. Any
>individual has the right to privacy, but a public figure has arguably given
>up theirs. However, there is no Constitutionally or stautorily granted
>right to photograph - I don't mean to photograph someone or something, but
>to photograph at all! You would have a lot of trouble using the first

Yep--just as there is no constitutional right to drive a car, climb a
mountain, sit in a park, or have sex.  But the very document that declares
our independence declares that we have rights so fundamental that they are
beyond law & cannot be deprived us.  As a general rule of thumb, and with many
exceptions, we have the right to carry on any non-injurious activity we choose,
even if not so explicitly stated.  When I was speaking of the "right to photo-
graph", I meant it in those terms.  Thus, breaking into your house to photo-
graph you in bed is clearly injurious; I have no right to do that.  But if you
leave your house, you forfeit the privacy you would expect there, and as long
as I do not prevent you from carrying out your business, I believe that I can
take any photos of you I like.  (I could not, however, sell them without your
permission.)  As for the rules under which I am making a contract with you by
buying a ticket, I don't know--that's a contract, I guess--where is Prof.
Kingsford when you need him?  (-:

>Obviously, it's much more complicated than that, but these are my basic
>impressions of the issue. I'll check with a professor tommorrow.
>
>Marsha, esq.
>
Please do.  I find it an interesting question.  Regardless of outcome, I'd bet
that permanently alienating your camera from you isn't legal, either.
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