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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 10:49:31 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: _Final Analysis_

>Folks, stay away from this one.  This is one never-ending movie!
>
I hear you, I wasn't much impressed either.
I got a good laugh though when the credits began
to roll and I saw Dennis Peck played by Gere.
Dennis Peck <read: Penis Pecker>: my friend scoffed at
the coincidence;  but like Freud said, there are no
coincidences (especially in the arts, I would think).

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:49:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Blade Runner (Director's Cut

Yischon Liaw....
It would have been nice to have "discovered" these differences on my own!
Mike.
MSU.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:19:46 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Blackadder (which is not a film, but never mind...)

>From: Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
>
>j-man,
>   Thought by now Liam would have had a chance to tell more about Blackadder.
>It's shown on any number of Public Broadcast Stations and is even funnier
>than it appears from the quotes.  There are four separate "reincarnations"
>of the venal, selfish, scheming Blackadder:  the time of Richard III,
>Elizabeth I, the Regency, and World War I.  I've only seen the first two.
>There isn't a moment of redeeming social value in the series--it's great!
>I can't wait for the San Jose PBS Station to start the third series.

I've been on leave for the last two weeks, actually, so I'm glad you
jumped in, Joan.  I'll add a few more details now, though...

In addition to the four series that Joan mentioned, there were two `one-off'
episodes.  The first was _Blackadder's Christmas Carol_.  This was unique,
in that we are shown a member of the Blackadder dynasty who was a nice
man.  But not for long...  It also featured new scenes based on the BA 2
and 3 characters, as well as a new, futuristic SF version of Blackadder (and
Baldrick).

The second one-off episode was a short (15 mins or so) episode called
_Blackadder: The Cavelier Years_ set during the time of Charles I (?).

Blackadder is always played by Rowan Atkinson.  Baldrick is Tony Robinson.
It was written by Richard Curtis and Ben (_The Young Ones_) Elton (except
the first series which was written by Curtis and Atkinson).  Oh, and
Blackadder's Xmas Carol was co-written by some guy called Dickens...

>>Please keep the quotes coming.  They provide us with the most amusing
>>repartee since "You Bet Your Life" with Groucho.
>
>   Watch out!  You'll swell his head!

I remain your humble servant...
					Liam.
					====-

(I leave you with my all time favourite quote from the series:-)

                                   *"Baldrick, you wouldn't see a
     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   * subtle plan if it painted itself
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:46:03 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: "Glory" soundtrack

Subj:   RE: "Glory" soundtrack

>I know that I'm in a minority here but I found GLORY to be a terribly
>boring, cliche-ridden, poorly directed film with a horrilbe score (some
>good music but over done in relation to the images, in other cases the music
>sounded more like muzak)

The endless variety of human expression never ceases to amaze me.
What appeals to one person and what mortifies another belongs to those
gnostic mysteries forever unfathomable to one of our humble station.

j-man

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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:26:33 -0400
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Couch potato week-end

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
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SUBJECT: Couch potato week-end

    Not exactly great beach or BBQ weather here on Long Island this week
    end. I guess that's why they invented the VCR ;-)

    I rediscovered with wonder JOUR DE FETE and LES VACANCES DE MR. HULOT,
    the delightful classics by Jacques Tati that the Bravo network has the
    great idea to broadcast this month.

    On the same cable net I also saw DRUGSTORE COWBOY. I found it quite
    interesting. It almost felt like watching a documentary. A bleak and
    depressing one at that. Good performances by Matt Dillon and Kelly
    Lynch. Also, a convincing one by John Kelly (I hope I got his name
    right) in the role of the cop. Quite a contrast to his usual bad guys
    roles like the psychotic killer in 48 HRS. The style of this movie
    reminded me of some relatively recent French ones I saw when back home
    last winter. More a slice of day-to-day life rather than a story with a
    clear beginning and end.

    I had the great pleasure to watch CHINATOWN again after many years. I
    originally saw it back home in the French dubbed version. Knowing the
    story, I could now pay more attention to the first class performances
    and also finally savor lines like Jack's "To tell you the truth, I lied
    a little" which are unfortunately often lost in the translation, even
    with subtitles.

    Finally, I was somewhat disappointed by BACKDRAFT. I guess I missed the
    big screen for the spectacular fire scenes. But the storyline was
    rather weak and basically predictable.

    MICHEL
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Subject: Re: wide screen movies on TV (was INTOLERANCE)
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:11:44 GMT
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In article <01GOMA0G11SI8WYAR2@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET writes:
 
>
>And a reply to Michael Kerbel: Bravo on your non-Scope film examples, too!
>You've hit another button: overall, Scorcese probably my favorite filmmaker.
>Not so surprising, perhaps... Jeff Clark
 
Thanks!  And in addition to the examples I have already given (MEAN STREETS
and ALICE DOESN'T. . . ) I would add two other Scorsese films: TAXI DRIVER
and GOODFELLAS.  Again, neither is in a "Scope" aspect ratio, but both are
SIGNIFICANTLY better in their letterboxed laserdisc formats than in the 1.33:1
videotape versions.  At the risk of being offensive, I would say to anyone who
can't see the difference, or who doesn't care, that they don't understand the
first and still most important principle of film: that it is VISUAL.  And what
about Scorsese's only "Scope" film: CAPE FEAR?  OK, it's not a masterpiece,
but it is very carefully composed for wide screen.  By the way, last night
TNT showed FORBIDDEN PLANET in a LETTERBOXED format.  I couldn't believe it.
Of course I had to sit close to the TV, but at least I could see the entire
frame instead of being subjected to extra cuts, pans and scans. -- M. Kerbel
From: jma@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
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Subject: Re: Video lists
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:36:09 -0500

In article <22090108403751@vms2.macc.wisc.edu>, Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU> writes:
>         For all who've asked, my video list is compiled
> from catalogs from MS Distributing Co. and Baker & Taylor Video.
> I sometimes supplement it with information about older videos from
> "Classic Images" magazine, and occassionally include releases from
> Facets Multimedia out of Chicago.
> 
> Ray Hamel
> University of Wisconsin


Does anyone out there save this video list?  Can this person repost it or
e-mail it to me?  I let it go and I too late realized that I want to keep 
it.  (Hamel already erase it)

Julio Arias
University of Florida
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:55:13 CDT
From:         Christopher Mark Conn <sascmc@UNX.SAS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Blade Runner (Director's Cut)
              11, 92 4:46 pm

Yischon Liaw writes about the Director's Cut of Blade Runner:

> The nod that Deckard makes acknowldges that he knows that he is a
> replicant (Gaff knew about the unicorn dream). The movie ends with the
> elevator doors closing with Rachel and Deckard in the elevator.
>

This has been argued back and forth endlessly on USENET.

My view of it is simple.... since Deckard wasn't a replicant
in Philip K. Dick's book (_Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_)
I don't think Ridley Scott would change the whole story and make
him one in the movie!!!!

Chris Conn
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:16:00 +0200
From:         "FINTAN AYLWARD EXT.1231" <eei.eeifad@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      jfk

JFK has just come out on video. Having never seen the film on the
big screen I found the film very disappointing. Maybe it lost the
effect of the technical brillance on the small screen. I found it
too long, very inconclusive and a bit far fetched i.e. it blamed
everybody for the killing. I found it a much better film when it
stuck to the facts of the case and the events surrounding the
case. Surely Oliver Stone could find a better person to base his
screenplay than Jim Garrison, who I believe open the case as an
attempt to persue a ticket to th white house. Comments$$$
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:55:24 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      "Glory" soundtrack

Recently, I rented the movie "Glory" and found the story to be quite
moving.  Denzel Washington turned in his best performance since Biko
while Morgan Freeman maintained his usual superlative level.

I was particularly impressed with the score.  From the credits, I
gather that the choral work came from the Harlem Boys Choir.  Can anyone
provide the name of the composer?

j-man

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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:34:20 -0500
From:         acs_hahr@ENTERPRISE.ACC.UWRF.EDU
Subject:      Re: BLADE RUNNER
              15 Sep 92 11:13:43 CDT." <9209151617.AA00830@khan.acc.uwrf.edu>

I would like to pop in and comment here, I've seen Blade Runner maybe
between 20 and 30 times, so some of my comments may assume too much
knowledge on the part of the readers. If you have questions, send to
me personally at

ed.j.hahr@uwrf.edu

It was extremely obvious in the movie that Rachael was the captured
replicant in the raid on Tyrell's cooperation, and Deckard was the
sixth replicant (supposedly fried). Rachael was reprogrammed with Tyrell's
neice's memories (probably because they were quick to generate), and it
wouldn't surprise me if Deckard was programmed with Tyrell's memories.

Every argument stated so far for Deckard being a human are reasons I would
use to argue he was NOT human. For example, these replicants tossed people
around like they were twigs when they wanted to. The extreme power of was
obvious in say the immunity of heat and cold and the ability to break walls
, etc. Deckard on the other hand, DOESN'T have his spine snapped by Leon,
DOESN'T have his head crushed by Pris's legs, etc. He showed equal strength
and agility except he had a little less strength than the Miner and a little
less agility than the COMBAT model. Think about it.

One last bit... "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep"

Think about Deckard's empathy in the book, Deckard's love of animals
(Also apparent in the movie), are the best arguments for Deckard being
a replicant. The entire point of the movie is that Androids could develope
feelings and empathy (Deckard being the best example).

ED
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 11:29:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: jfk

Ah, JFK - I watch it frequently just to see the little snipet from
Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:31:41 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: rejected

What a coincidence, Peter.  I haven't noticed any reactions to your "Glory"-
bashing yet... but nothing but "condescending indifference" from one of
superior taste (ahem!) in this quarter.  (Just kidding, of course. (Of course))
Jeff Clark
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:28:38 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: "Glory" soundtrack

>I take it you're a fan of Sir Humphrey in _Yes, Minister_ and _Yes,
>Prime Minister_?    8-)
>                           Liam.
>                           ====-
>
> "What sort of answer is that?"
> "A succinct one."

Damn, Liam.  Can I get a direct feed from the BBC?  I feel like Woody
Allen's character in STARDUST MEMORIES, the guy who is stuck on a train with
all those somber Bergmanesque people, and looks out the window to see a
train on the adjacent track going in the opposite direction, whose
passengers are having a bacchanalian celebration.

j-man

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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:37:37 EDT
From:         Carol Goodson/West GA College <CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "Glory" soundtrack
              11 Sep 1992 09:28:38 -0500 from <JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX>

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:28:38 -0500 <JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX> said:
                                                     I feel like Woody
>Allen's character in STARDUST MEMORIES
***while you're on this subject...does anyone know how I could purchase
a video (VHS) of Stardust Memories?  I need it desperately.  Thanks for
any advice offered...

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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:15:34 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Bladerunner-Extremely Obvious

It is extremely obvious that some things that seem extremely obvious to
some are extremely fun to flash in the face of those insensitive to the
extremely obvious.  But I guess you all knew that, or else I was merely
having fun by flashing this in your face.

Count me extremely insensible, having only seen Bladerunner a couple of
times.  How is it clear that Deckard is the sixth replicant?  Sixth of
WHAT?  If Rachel is a replicant allowed to be on earth because a proto-
type of the memory-implant system, how could there be at the same time
a Deckard-level of success already developed, and allowed to run around
with powerful weapons?  That would be taking a bit of a chance, no? And
seems to be the sort of thing one would do only *after* seeing how
Rachel turns out...

Just trying to get it straight.  Personally, I don't think it works AT ALL
to try to "prove" anything in the movie by going back to the text.  That is
a fallacious step in COUNTLESS movies.  Obvious, eh Watson?  Extremely.


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Subject:      Re: Mambo Kings

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     10-Sep-1992 11:59am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: Mambo Kings

CMC:

Thanks for your reply.  Yeah, I thought that the relationship between the
brothers was very interesting, but weren't you waiting for Cesar (Armand) to do
something really low down and he just never did - except that he was so
enmeshed in his own dream that it never occured to him that it might not be
good for his brother or what his brother wanted particularly?  I thought that
Cesar might get involved with his brother's wife whom he obviously loved.  His
character was just so arrogant  - "...he thinks he's the last coca-cola in the
desert..." - I was sure he was going to do something of questionable morality.
And what about the references to the Cuban mafia?  They did so little with
that, I was disappointed.  Do you think that the little brother (I can't
remember his name) drove into the tree on purpose?  I thought he had.  There
just seem to be so many unanswered questions.  I guess I'll have to read the
book.  You know, I found it interesting that here was this movie in which the
music played such an important part (and was overwhelmingly beautiful) and the
book, which won a pulitzer prize (so you assume that the book is also good)
could not have conveyed that beauty.  Kind of amazing.

Ellen

P.S. You probably liked Cathy Moriarity ;)
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From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Fried Green Tomatoes

Sorry, I read the book and it is impossible for Idgy and Mrs. Cleo Threadgoode
(Tandy's character) to be the same person.  I'll admit the film did leave
this somewhat ambiguous, as it did with the relationship between Idgy and
Ruth.  However, when Ms. Flagg wrote the novel, they were two separate
characters.
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From:         "DORIS--RM. 3876--X-3151" <CHAPPELLE@RSO.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      Two Questions (answer to #1)

Joe,

I think the Steve McQueen movie you were referring to was "The Thomas Crown
Affair."  Don't have the answer to your second question.

Doris
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:13:25 CDT
From:         Michelle Lehman <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: _Fried Green Tomatoes_

From:

>  "Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee,              Eugene)"
 <YEE%DICKINSN.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>

> Another question:  what is the name of Kathy Bates' character?

Hi Euge,

    Kathy Bates' character's names was:  Evelyn Couch.

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Michelle Lehman                                 michelle@ortta.umn.edu
University of Minnesota                                Minneapolis, MN
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:19:00 EDT
From:         saspdm@MVS.SAS.COM
Subject:      Re: The Dark Side of the Heart

>      Apparently, the NYT speaks of "Miss" Subiela--Eliseo must have reminded
> them of Elise.  This is Subiela's fourth feature film; his second one,
> _Man Facing Southeast_, was unusually well received in the U.S.  I hope

Currie -- can you remind us again of his other two feature films?
I promise this time I won't lose them.

Thanks,
P.D. McMillen
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:28:11 EDT
From:         "Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee,
              Eugene)" <YEE@DICKINSN.BITNET>
Subject:      _Final Analysis_

Folks, stay away from this one.  This is one never-ending movie!
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:32:50 EDT
From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Rick Deckard's geneology

  Whaaaat?  Deckard a replicant?  Have I been missing something here?
  Actually, it's a neat idea: a replicant who doesn't know he's a replicant
tracking down replicants.  Or maybe he does know, or at least suspect....It's
as good a reason as any for eliminating the character of Deckard's wife that
was in the book.
                                   Rob Rosenthal
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:34:41 CDT
From:         John Cobb <S058990@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      INTER-VISION

     I am researching  Shakespearian themes, plots, lines, etc. found in movies
novels, short stories, poetry, art, plays, etc.- the VISUAL & WRITTEN mediums,
found in the SCIENCE FICTION genre. I have special intrest in the STAR TREK
movies and t.v. shows. Any items you may have seen or read please send me infor
mation about it. And it would help to let me know how you VISION the Shakespear
ian motifs are being used. Those items that are approaite for group send throug
h the group those that may not please send to me direct at:

       s058990@umrvma.umr.edu
                 or
       s058990@umrvma
Thankyou
John Cobb
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