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From: laurelh@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Laurel Hellerstein)
Subject: Re: Coed Bathrooms (was:Freshman Dorm... a review)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:24:30 GMT

In article <92225.103628ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:

>>Coed BATHROOMS????  You can't be serious...  I know I'm in the middle of
>>the Bible Belt and the show is based in California (at fictional Western
>>Pacific University), but I can't see a housing programs type person anywhere
>>in the U.S.A. having that.
>
>     Welcome to the 90's.  Stanford (in California, of course) has got coed
>bathrooms all over the place.  One of the on-campus houses has coed showers,
>too.  And we're not even Berkeley!
>
>Brett

Most of the residence halls at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst
have coed floors (boy, girl, boy, girl) with just one bathroom per floor.
Although the bathroom on each floor is designated as a single sex, people
find it inconvenient to have to go up or down stairs to use the facility.
After the first week of the semester most residents get tired of the routine
and share the bathroom in coed fashion.  Although this upsets the
adminstration and parents alike  it is extremely difficult to enforce
the bathroom rules.  Note that not all floors are like this... generally
the residents form a unspoken consensus about how bathrooms will be
used.  
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From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:38:42 GMT
 <1992Aug13.073947.4082@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>,
 <BsxH39.Kr9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
 <1992Aug13.165559.6298@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Aug13.165559.6298@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu says:
>bag. I suspect that the real estate market (in terms of leasing) is similar
>throughout; 12 month leases (possibly 6 month), especially in college
>communities.

     You sir, are correct.  I've never even heard of a 9-month lease, and I
can't imagine a market where an owner would take one unless there was a
pretty significant financial depression somewhere in there...


Brett
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:36:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Aug12.154226.2472@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>,
mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) says:
>
>CBS ran the first episode of 'Freshman Dorm' last night...
>[stuff deleted]
>Coed BATHROOMS????  You can't be serious...  I know I'm in the middle of
>the Bible Belt and the show is based in California (at fictional Western
>Pacific University), but I can't see a housing programs type person anywhere
>in the U.S.A. having that.

     Welcome to the 90's.  Stanford (in California, of course) has got coed
bathrooms all over the place.  One of the on-campus houses has coed showers,
too.  And we're not even Berkeley!

Brett
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From: jaked@well.sf.ca.us (Jake Donham)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:40:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.154226.2472@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes:
>CBS ran the first episode of 'Freshman Dorm' last night...
...
>Coed BATHROOMS????  You can't be serious...  I know I'm in the middle of
>the Bible Belt and the show is based in California (at fictional Western
>Pacific University), but I can't see a housing programs type person anywhere
>in the U.S.A. having that.

Last time I visited UC Santa Cruz, there they were, no question about it. In
context, I guess it isn't so strange (it took a friend of mine a year and a
half to fail out of UCSC by smoking pot every day -- they're that liberal!).
In fact, at Yale you are guaranteed a single-sex bathroom freshman year (and
later on, if you request it) but after that many people share and share
alike.

Why are so many people afraid of the opposite sex? [this is rhetorical and
not necessarily directed at the original poster]

Jake
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:21:41 GMT

mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes:

>CBS ran the first episode of 'Freshman Dorm' last night...

>It was a total joke.

>The dorms looked like the high dollar apartments we have in Norman, where
>$650/month gets you a huge 3 bedroom w/ all the heavy appliances, and $350
>can get you a 1100 square foot 2 bedroom with the same toys. I wish
>the dorms here were that nice, if they were I might still be in them.

I don't know -- I missed the show, so I cant' compare, but I know we
have some pretty darn nice dorms at Stanford.  Some cruddy ones too.
But they're definitely not all bad.

>Lulu was a total joke.  If she has all that money, then why the hell is
>she in a dorm with two other people?  She'd be in a single, or out of the 
>dorm completely, in real life.

Not at my school -- freshman are required to live on campus, and are
placed completely randomly.  Not only that, but I think there are _no_
freshman singles at Stanford.  I don't know about your school, but at
Stanford, housing is determined by random draw (even for
upperclass folk) and so it doesn't matter how much money you have.
Unless you decide to live off campus, which at Stanford isn't even
that popular an option.

>Coed BATHROOMS????  You can't be serious...  I know I'm in the middle of
>the Bible Belt and the show is based in California (at fictional Western
>Pacific University), but I can't see a housing programs type person anywhere
>in the U.S.A. having that.

I lived in a house all last year with coed bathrooms.  A lot of houses
on the Stanford campus have coed bathrooms nowadays (mostly smaller
ones, and not usually dorms with freshmen, but it's not that far-fetched.)

>Someone needs to tell the people who designed to set of the dorm lounge
>that anything not bolted down or weighing 3 tons gets destroyed in the 
>first week, and that's no gaurantee it won't get trashed anyway.  The
>set people are clueless as to what dorms should look like (low income
>inner city projects are a close approximation.

Jeez.  I'm glad I don't go to your school.

>I guess CBS wanted a diversion from 90210.  This show is gonna get riped
>to shreds to the critics (if they don't, I will lose all faith in quality
>television).

Oh, of course...:-)

>I'm sure this discussion will generate a lot of traffic once the fall
>semester starts and all the fish start whining that their dorms are
>nothing like the ones on TV.

>Please email flames... or laurels.

>marc

>mfoster
>mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu
>mfoster@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:47:43 GMT
Reply-To: littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1992Aug12.154226.2472@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes:
>
>Coed BATHROOMS????  You can't be serious...  I know I'm in the middle of
>the Bible Belt and the show is based in California (at fictional Western
>Pacific University), but I can't see a housing programs type person anywhere
>in the U.S.A. having that.

	Didn't see the show, but they exist. UMass Boston has this set-up,
I believe.

>
>Please email flames... or laurels.


	No flames here! You're probably right about the traffic intensity
on the net this coming semester about this new show. Freshman year is the
giddy period. Not so for me anymore. That was shattered when some 12yo 
called me "mister." :(

>
>marc
>
>mfoster
>mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu
>mfoster@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu

--Kevin
littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:08:51 GMT

>     Welcome to the 90's.  Stanford (in California, of course) has got coed
>bathrooms all over the place.  One of the on-campus houses has coed showers,
>too.  And we're not even Berkeley!

     Berkeley's got co-ed bathrooms, too.

                                        Steve
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:06:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug20.140633.28531
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <Bt8n97.2w0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:

|> Indeed.  Worse than the people I decribed in the previous paragraph are
|> those who can't write even elementary algorithms, like sort routines.
|> There are alot of benefits to knowing _how_ to program in general.
|> Alot of people don't pick that up, but they know how the Fortran
|> "print" statement works.

Any scheme course which allows somebody to pass without being able to make a
sorting program is seriously deficient. The problem here is not the language,
but the course.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: soc.college,misc.education
From: kenr@orleans.storage.tandem.com (Ken Rose)
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc, Cupertino CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:17:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.091210.12796@athena.mit.edu>, solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> The ultimate result is that the lifetime of C with a majority of the software
> engineering industry is VERY VERY limited. If people (who are using their
> education only for the purpose of getting a job) are looking to their CS
> education to provide them with a strong proficiency in C may be looking for
> the wrong thing.
>   [deleted]
> They should be looking for a proficiency in working within a software
> engineering group as a team.

Although I work in hardware design rather than programming [but, hey,
I know programmers, some of my best friends are programmers ... :-) ]
I would like to second (or third) Jason's comments.

I graduated what seems not too long ago to me ('85), but already
the face of hardware engineering had changed significantly.  Back
then PAL-based boards were state of the art, and PAL programming
languages were primitive.  Today languages such as ABEL have made
even multi-PAL designs easier to do, but the focus of the industry
is moving to gate arrays.  Now I`m using a RTL (register transfer
level) language, Verilog, and logic synthesis tools to turn a
high-level description into gates.

So what, you say?  Well, my education provided instruction not only
in gate-level design (which helped get a job out of the starting
blocks) but on higher level abstractions such as computer
architecture, RTL descriptions, etc.  I don`t think Verilog even
existed when I graduated, but since I learned to think about
digital design on several levels of abstraction I`ve been able to
learn the newer tools and remain employed.  Had I just learned
how to do gate-level digital design making the transition would
be more difficult.

I would defer to real programmers on the future of C, but I think
the future definitely favors programmers who have learned about
data structures, CASE approaches, algorithms, etc.

As for the group emphasis, I agree whole-heartedly here.  Even
though I`m a digital designer, I need to work closely with the
software team to make sure the features I add (or leave out) can
mesh with their code easily.  On a more global level, not only
does the design need to work, but I have to consider how manufacturing
is going to be able to test it, diagnose broken boards, etc.
All this means that the most brilliant engineer has a limited
future if he/she can't work with others.  There's always a bit
of friction working with other people who may have strong ideas
diametrically opposed to yours; far better to work out the rough
edges in handling these situations in school or during the summer
than on your first job!

Just my 2 cents worth ...


____________________________________________________________________
Ken Rose    (kenr@storage.tandem.com)
The Usual Disclaimer:  Any opinions expressed above are mine alone, not
those of my employer (who is kind enough to allow me Usenet access).
From: mwl4879@venus.tamu.edu (Mark W. Leddy, Texas A&M)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: College Sweatshirts...
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:02:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone out there collect sweatshirts from other schools?

If so, please get back to me.....I am looking for some people
to trade sweatshirts with (A&M for your school).  I have a select
list of schools that I am looking for.  If you are interested, please
write back.

Thanks,

Mark 
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:15:20 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Perhaps, instead of your mock sincerity, you could discuss a legitimate
criticism of the methods used at MIT. Or are you all talk and no
substance? There are quite a number of opinions here, but nobody who
is intimidated by MIT has yet enlightened us with their opinions on
Computer Science Education. 

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: beowulf@wam.umd.edu (amealuh)
Subject: U of Colorado, Denver: looking for someone
Organization: Phish N Tackle Shop
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:37:17 GMT

hey - does anyone at the University of Colorado - Denver know
a guy named Brent Matson, or could you at least tell me if he
still goes to school there?

thanks.

beo


-- 
		I don't love you anymore since you ate my dog.
beowulf@wam.umd.edu					    beowulf@eng.umd.edu
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From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: REQUEST from GIRLS:  List of 20 WORST/UNORIGINAL ways to ask a girl out
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:22:57 GMT


Hello to all!

I am interested to compile a list of "TOP 20 WORST/UNORIGINAL ways to ask a
freshman girl out" for the incoming freshman guys here at U of Rochester.
Any input/suggestion/experience??  I will pick the 20 ways from all your
replies that I think are THE WORST/FUNNY and post it up in "soc.college" at the
end of this month!

Thanks in advance!

Baldwin
(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)

Newsgroups: soc.college
From: mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:24:50 GMT

In article <RoRiPB1w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us> paradise@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Christie) writes:
>ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>      You sir, are correct.  I've never even heard of a 9-month lease, and I
>> can't imagine a market where an owner would take one unless there was a
>> pretty significant financial depression somewhere in there...
>> Brett
>
>  Well, if you look for a summer lease, you can usually find one, so I presume
>that there are some complexes that have less than 6 month leases...They just
>aren't quite as nice as the ones with 6 or 12 month leases...

One of the larger apartment complexes here in Bloomington is advertising a
10 month lease.  "Why pay for 12 months when you're in school for only 10?"

Maybe it'll catch on...

	Darrin
-- 

mdchaney@iubacs mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu mdchaney@rose.ucs.indiana.edu

"It's a marvel of vegetable containment..."
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:07:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Aug19.200716.5827
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

C:  Is a software engineering language

Scheme:  Is a computer science language

Scheme is a great language for people who want to study new algorithms to
compute convex-hulls.  C is the language you need to know to write
programs for UNIX.

I've learned Scheme...it's great!  I've never seen a Scheme interpreter
since I used it once in one CS class.  

Of course, I use APL everyday, so what do I know!
Besides, I have great expectations that any MIT grad should be able
to learn C in 1-2 days.

-Thomas
From: PNCSPPC@CCVAX1.CC.NCSU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Low-Cost Health Insurance
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:39:14 GMT

What are the best deals out there for health insurance?  Cost is rather
important to me because I'm on a tight budget.  Previously I was covered
by student health insurance.  But now I am between degree programs and I
need a new policy to tide me over until the fall of '93.  Thanks in
advance for any help (which would be greatly appreciated).
 
Phil Calvert
 
<Bitnet: pncsppc@ncsuvax / Internet: pncsppc@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:35:01 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug20.181921.24052@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:

>    I must say I am surprised at the number of computer
>types who read this group.  I shouldn't be.   After all,
>one has to get on a computer and figure news out before
>posting.

Uhh, take a look at one of the cross-posts...
comp.sys.mac.programmer has a LOT of computer types :-).

-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: REQUEST:  TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:51:54 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.205858.2326@ncar.ucar.edu>, you wrote:

#....stuff deleted...
#for the most part mature WOMEN. This is not just rhetoric. Your whole
#attitude suggests that all you want to do is get laid. This does not
#impress most women......

Sorry Greg.  I am a kinda traditional Chinese from Hong Kong who happen
to be against PRE-MARITAL SEX.  You would have guessed it right, if I
were not a conservatist.
However, you are right that women don't like guys that just want sex.

#Basically they want the intimacy just as much as you do, they just
#don't want to become intimate with a chowderhead. So grow up and
#quit acting like one.

For those of you who "want to get close to women", take Greg's
advice:
        "...grow up and quit acting like one."

Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
From: gtall@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Gerry Allwein)
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:37:00 GMT

I see this thread has certainly degenerated from the start with some bozo
at MIT declaring the proper way for CS education was to go elite and learn
Snob 101. Now we are down to bickering over who knows how to turn on
computers and if it is being taught in CS schools. Education can occur anywhere
as long as there is a willingness to learn.

Gerry
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: ah881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joyce Brabner)
Subject: Willing to Host 2 Israeli Students 1-2 Days On Campus?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:27:21 GMT


I will begin hosting two Israeli teenagers for 3-4 months,
starting this October.  My guests are interested in seeing
the U.S.A. by way of a special AMTRAK or Greyhound pass,
and they want to stay with families-- ESPECIALLY people
who are environmental activists, or working on peace, social/
economic justice issues, towards racial harmony, etc.
They would also like to visit some American university
campuses.
 
Can anyone suggest ways for my friends to find hosts who
will take them in for 1-2 days per stop?  They want me to
make it very clear that they are both willing to earn their
keep, and they both speak good English.
 
Do you know of any networks of people interested in having
guests?  I can provide letters of reference from Americans.
One student was my guest last year, and is a lovely person.
Please e-mail any ideas.  Thanks!
-- 




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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:44:26 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <gtall.714400620@ogre> gtall@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Gerry Allwein) writes:
>I see this thread has certainly degenerated from the start with some bozo
>at MIT declaring the proper way for CS education was to go elite and learn
>Snob 101. Now we are down to bickering over who knows how to turn on
>computers and if it is being taught in CS schools. Education can occur anywhere
>as long as there is a willingness to learn.

That is certainly correct, and in that spirit, an up and comming 
computer scientist asked the net how computer science is generally
taught in Universities. 2-3 people responded and in there posts
detailed not only the requirements at the programs they attended,
but also the values embraced by those programs.

You have failed to grasp this. If you had a willingness to learn about
the variety of programs offered by this nation's universities you would
have noticed this, but I strongly suspect that you lack this willingness.
I is extraordinarily easy to call somebody a snob, but this merely wastes
time. To call somebody a snob and then point out aspects of the programs
that he/she espoused which are defficient as a tool to enhance a Computer
Science program is both enlightening and productive. Alas, you have
demonstrated an inability to do the latter.

As such I do not think that it is your place to criticize me. Instead
you should leave that for the many who not only disagree with me, but
also have intelligent ideas which they wish to share with the rest of
the net.

Flames will be accepted until I leave on Sunday.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: soc.college