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From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: Request for opinions: Cruising and fishing for food
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:37:05 GMT

In article <q_k2slg@rpi.edu> floydb@rpi.edu writes:
>
>Could those who have ocean cruising experience comment on the
>possibility of catching the occasional fish while cruising?
>
>Presuming you have a 30' plus boat, what are the advantages
>and challenges of fishing under-sail?
>
>It would seem that in mild weather you should be able to troll,
>but in any weather you would not want to fly cast on a sail boat,
>for example.
>
>Landing a sizable fish could be a major problem on some boats.
>Then again, smaller fish might be landed and would make a nice
>meal.
>
>There would always be the option of mooring the sailboat then
>still-fishing or shore-casting, even if fishing under-sail
>proves too much trouble.
>
>Any thoughts, suggestions, opinions?
>
>thanks
>
>barry
>

This probably won't help much, but your post reminded me of once when I
was sailing with my brother on his Hunter 25. We were trolling on the
St. Mary's River in medium winds on a close reach. Suddenly the boat
slowed down, almost stopping in it's tracks. We thought we had a snag,
so we tacked, and we gybed, and we sailed all over the damn place trying
to un-snag the line. Suddenly we saw the flash of a bluefish putting up
one hell of a fight on the end of the line. So I started cranking him
in. Unfortunately, I'm not what you would call the consumate fisherman.
The line ended up breaking before I got him aboard. Apparently you're
supposed to let them run around a little bit and tire themselves out
first (or so I was told by my brother, who was giving me hell for
letting it go).


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From: bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu (Jeremy Bloxham)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Wire/Rope splice on Main Haylard
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:25:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Dec17.172501.26245
Reply-To: bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu
Organization: Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University

In article KrC@iat.holonet.net, dmi@iat.holonet.net (David M. Ilstrup) writes:
>in regards to the issue of wire halyards vs. rope halyards, you should realize
>that wire is the least expensive way to get a halyard that does not stretch.
>if you choose to go to rope, you're looking at either a lot of money or a lot
>of stretch.  for instance, to obtain stretch characteristics similar to 3/16"
>wire in a halyard, you need 7/16" Yale ULS (ultra low stretch) dacron double
>braid, and realistically, you should be using Spectra 3/8 or 7/16" line.  
>Spectra halyard on a 33' boat will run $300-350, ULS will run somewhere around 
>$150-200, the wire-rope halyard will cost $110 (or less, if you splice it  
>yourself).  For my money, if you're cruising, stick with wire/rope halyards -
>they last the longest, have the least stretch, and are cheap.  If you're flat-
>out racing then you should consider spectra with a wire pigtail, or maybe just
>spectra all by itself.  I tend to use wire/rope for my jib & main halyards, 
>Yale ULS 3/8" for the spinnaker halyards.  If you use Kevlar, DON'T.  If you
>do, you need to redesign the shivs at the masthead to prevent the line from
>breaking - the strands do not like to turn or bend; the bending radius of the
>shiv is something like 15 or 20 times the diameter of the line.  So, go cheap, 
>go good, keep the jib halyard tight, and have fun.

Spectra is not that expensive. J-35's, for example, use 5/16" spectra
for their genoa halyards which costs about $1.00 per foot, so it works
out to much less than $300-350 per halyard.

For the crusing sailor, 3/8" ULS is adequate for a 33' boat. Costs
about $0.50 per foot.

I'm not so sure about wire-rope lasting longer.  An advantage of rope
is that if you initially get your halyards a few feet too long, then
it's possible to alternately shorten them and end-for-end them several
times before it's necessary to replace them. With wire-rope only
shortening is possible, and then only within the constraints imposed by
the turning blocks, etc. Plus you don't get meat hooks in rope.

One final point: I much prefer to be hoisted up the mast on a rope
halyard with a bowline to tie the bosun's chair to the halyard than
depending on a wire halyard with a splice and crimp.

On my boat, though, I do have wire-rope halyards. Next time they are
due for replacement I'll be getting spectra.

Jeremy
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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Coaster Software Program
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:53:46 GMT

(Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:
>One thing I've thought of once again posting, if anyone has much
>of an interest, is a rollercoaster animation (FLI).  I've posted
>it in the past and had a couple of favorable commentaries.  


Please repost it. I deleted it the first time around when I
realized it had been posted without the viewer (and having
no way to divine the name of the viewing software -- there are
so many different viewers for DOS/Mac). Fortunately, you told
us what to look for...       ;-)


If you will repost the coaster animation, I will post a viewer.


Rendell
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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: Drachen Fire Gif, Part 1 of 9
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.185713.14036@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:
>| >begin 666 ...\graf\drachen2.gif
>
>If the pathname is giving you problems, just save all the parts in a
>text file and edit the begin line to read:
>
>begin 666 drachen2.gif
>
>then send that to your friendly neighborhood uudecode program.
>
>In Unix, the only problem is you get a hidden file.  
>'mv ...\graf\drachen2.gif drachen2.gif' solves that.
>
>No need to repost the whole thing...
>
>Geoff ``Mr. nerd, at your service'' Allen

I will look and see if this is indeed "hidden"... since the newsreader
didn't give me an error, I would assume that this might be the case...

Nope... no such luck.  It comes back with:

	'Cannot access: No such file or directory'

Yes, even when I turn the slashes around as necessary...

Thanks for the try, though...

Russell

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From: Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: TOP GUN -- The Rides
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:07:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <50377@shamash.cdc.com>

>buckley@ics.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley) writes:
>
>
>
>>The B&M Inverted Looper going in at Great America has a
>>unique Figure 8 layout, with helixes at each end.  It looks like a fun
>>ride, with many changes in superelevation, but doesn't look as wild as
>>the original BATMAN at SFGAm.
>
>From watching them assemble this one it looks pretty wild.  So far there
>isn't any straight track and it looks like it is about 3/4 of the way
>installed.  The heart line loop, or what ever it is called, is right
>over the enterance to one of the theators.
>
For an illustration of Top Gun (both Great America's and KI's) as well as
a picture of Kumba's model, check out the most recent issue of ACE News.

Kumba is the most interesting shot because you can follow the model quite
nicely and see exactly where the coaster will be taking you.  The
illustrations of Top Gun are a little harder to follow and don't make the
rides look as exciting as they probably will be.

Tom "Really getting excited about next season" Obszanski
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From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Bob Hope at Fiesta Texas
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:02:03 GMT

FYI, there's a Bob Hope special on NBC this Saturday (12/19), at 8pm.
Apparently, some of it was shot at Fiesta Texas.  I sincerely doubt that
we'll see any footage of the Rattler, but you never know.
-- 
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From: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley)
Subject: Re: Six Flags buys another BATMAN -- THE RIDE
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:56:58 GMT


(James Hansen) writes...

RE: Batman -- the Ride, the Second Clone

>If this coaster ends up in Arlington, I wonder if they will remove
>Shock Wave to make room for it.  The Shock Wave's popularity
>seems to have waned in recent years.  It's 12 years old and
>ridership has decreased dramatically.

I highly doubt it.  Sure, Shockwave (the Schwarzkopf double looper) is 15
years old, but it still remains one of the TOP looping steel coasters in
the country!!  Last time I talked with a SFoT rep, they KNEW this!!  SFoT 
offers 4 other major coasters for people to ride, which probably has pulled
the major crowds away from the attraction, but last few years I've been to
the park, it's been pretty crowded, even with 2 train operation.  Six Flags
usually only de-installs a ride and puts it into their "ride rotation'
program when a coaster becomes 'undesirable' -- as I noted, SFoT seem very
happy with the coaster from a public and maintanence standpoint, and I
don't think it will be going anywhere soon.  I think they would yank the
Intamin Bobsleds and give them to SFoMA before they would yank the Shockwave.
The AVALANCHE BOBSLEDS have already been a part of the Six Flags ride rotation
program.

The Shockwave sits comfortably in my Top 5 coasters, and always shows up in
Inside Track's Top 30 (whereas rides like the Bobsleds never do).


Buck
From: rhino@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: By the time you read this...
Keywords: SCBB, Wipe out.
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:04:14 GMT
Reply-To: rhino@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us


    Just found out yesterday (sat.) the the Beach/Boardwalk is/was closed
on the 19th and 20th.  There are a couple of major construction projects
going on.

    The concrete in front of the Merry-go-round is being broken up and replaced. Looked like about 500 square feet.  If the rain holds off this should be
done by mid-week.

   The Auto-scooter building is starting to come down.  It looks like 
everything that was reusable has been yanked and when I went down on my
lunch break, a handful of guys were dropping the power grids.  I wonder if
the grid is going to be saved, you could make the BBQ grill of the Gods with
it.  The Wipe-out is here and is in storage at the old Toyota of Santa Cruz
building.  I was talking to one of the managers, and he said that they just
needed to pull down the Auto-scooter building and pour some footings for it
and it should be ready to go.  All the signs say "open spring '93", so they
are giving themselves lots of time to get it right.
  
   The building I work in gets a new roof after new years.  Something I'm
very much looking forward to, believe me.

-Jim Jensen
rhino@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
From: sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Theme parks
Date: 11 Dec 1992 16:58:09 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sharonc@meaddata.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: nochovies.meaddata.com

Oh boy, this is going to start some massive followup postings! Including
mine :-)

In article <Af9t4Qy00awK43hEZ8@andrew.cmu.edu>, Cordell Obadele Carter <cc5f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> What is a REAL theme park?  I've always wondered this because, to me,
|> the only true theme park that exists that I've been to is Walt Disney
|> World.  (Oh wait, I forgot Sea World.)  There, the theme is the central
|> part of your experience; the rides  are all very, very tame because
|> Disney wants to dazzle you with their illusion that you're in a magical
|> place.  Everything is done to perfection.
|> 
|> In other so-called "theme" parks, such as Busch Gardens (both), Kings
|> Dominion, and Cedar Point (especially), the rides are the main draws,
|> just like in a traditional park.  I don't think you could say that about
|> Disney World or Sea World.  To me, Cedar Point is just a blown-up
|> version of Kennywood, which is considered a traditional park. 
|> Ironically, Kennywood has much (in fact, infinitely) better food and
|> much friendlier employees than Cedar Point.
|> 
|> Most of the aforementioned parks tend to have large, "midway-themed"
|> sections, which supposedly reconstruct the traditional parks.  I think
|> many of the theme park's sections have nice architecture and all, but
|> the theme somehow just isn't like the overwhelming magic of Disney.
|> 
|> Especially now in the heart of the roller coaster explosion, I don't
|> think many true theme parks exist anymore (not that that's a bad thing).
|>  What do you guys out on the net think?

Sorry to quote the entire article, but it's all relevant.

I think you could probably include Kings Island in the list of true theme
parks. They have done a nice job of setting up different themed areas - the
main area is set up as an "international" street, ending in the Eiffel Tower.
The Beast is over in a frontier type town area. The Vortex and Racer are in
the Coney Island area. King Cobra and Adventure Express are in an
"Adventureland" style area. It does have a traditional midway, since the
Coney Island part is off to the side. Yes, the rides are  still the main
attraction. But the whole park was deliberately themed, including the kiddie
rides section (Hanna Barbera Land). No, it's not as good as Disney, but
nothing is :-)

Let the flame wars begin! :-)

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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: Coaster Software Program
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.135346.26996@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
>(Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:
>>One thing I've thought of once again posting, if anyone has much
>>of an interest, is a rollercoaster animation (FLI).  I've posted
>>it in the past and had a couple of favorable commentaries.  
>
>Please repost it. I deleted it the first time around when I
>realized it had been posted without the viewer (and having
>no way to divine the name of the viewing software -- there are
>so many different viewers for DOS/Mac). Fortunately, you told
>us what to look for...       ;-)
>
>If you will repost the coaster animation, I will post a viewer.

OK, you have a deal...

I, too, have a small viewer if anyone is interested in that, but I
will not post the FLI and the viewer together (I have too many problems
just getting the one up to the system -- I don't even want to think
about trying to get two done in a short amount of time right now)

I will post the UUE of the animation sometime before the end of the
weekend -- probably sooner rather than later (I'd do it now, except
I'm on another node right now and I don't currently have it in my
directories).

Start looking for your UUDECODE programs and FLI viewer NOW...

Russell

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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: New B&M Inverted Looper - Paramount's Great America
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:24:41 GMT

In article <71922@cup.portal.com> Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com writes:
>>
>>Well, I went and checked out the progress on "Top Gun" earlier this
>>evening.  Looks like it's almost finished -- the corkscrew is the
>>
	[Stuff Deleted]
>>
>>Also, it looks as though the track passes a little less than ten feet
>>from the ground (OK, I didn't measure it but I swear I could jump and
>>touch it) before and after the loop.  Looks like front seat riders are
>>going to be really friendly with the ground on the first drop and after
>>the loop -- remember, your legs are supposed to be hanging free, from
>>all I've read on the ride.
>>
>
>Batman at Great America has a similar section of track.  After exiting the
>first flip (B&M's name for a corkscrew element) you make a hard turn to the
>right and dive down seemingly inches from the ground (it's more like four or
>five feet, but at around 35Mph, it's close enough:-)

Remember, I said the <track>, not the train... it passes, I'm sure,
frightenly close to the ground -- close enough so I could jump and
touch the track itself (the cars are surely going to be a whole Hell
of a lot closer -- and at top ride speed).

>>Yes, another person that can't wait until opening day (or press day, if
>>I can manage to find a way in)!
>
>Personally I'm waiting for Batman's press day at Great Adventure (only
>because it's a little closer.)

Hmm... but you posted from Portal?  I guess you telenet'd in or do
you have something similiar in your portion of the country (maybe
another node on this vast system?)   --> you can respond to this unrelated
                                         garbage via email...

RiViT
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From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Trim Brakes (was Re: KUMBA (was Re: TOP GUN -- The Rides))
Date: 19 Dec 1992 08:30:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley) says:

>True -- there can be mid-course brakes that are used only for 
>set-ups/blocking purposes, but as you must have seen from the 
>model of KUMBA in ACE News, there is no place in the design 
>allocated for such a set of brakes!!  KUMBA's layout is all loops 
>and transistion trackwork.  I suspect that the blocking will be 
>done in sections in a VERY long brake run!!

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Magnum in this discussion.  The
Magnum runs three trains with no emergency/blocking brakes anywhere along
its course.  True, there's a set of brakes going into the turnaround to
slow the trains down, but they can't possibly stop the train (and that
would be a terrible place to stop a train anyway).  The Magnum accomplishes
three-train operation in much the way you're describing, Bill; before even
reaching the station (but after the ride is actually over), there are two
spots where trains can be stopped.  So they can actually have all three
trains lined up at the station.  I'm sure that KUMBA will do something
similar, as you've already predicted.

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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:09:27 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Theme parks
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

Cordell Obadele Carter <cc5f+@andrew.cmu.edu> asked:

>>What is a REAL theme park?  


And buckley@ics.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley - "I coaster, therefore I am")
answers: 

>A park which has metal detectors at the front gate!
>8^)

Which means that Disneyland is Not a Theme Park.

;^)

Geoff ``I made it in with my steel-shanked boots on'' Allen

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From: bachrach@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Adam Bachrach)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 09:24:35 GMT
Subject: Coasters near Paris???
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster

Can anyone out there in coaster netland give me any suggestions about
were there might be some good coasters near Paris.  My brother has
landed a job in Paris France for a year.  I thought he might get some 
free time to take such a side trip and with your help I might give him
some good ideas...  
Any and all suggestions welcomed and appreciated!
Allnight Adam
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:38:34 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Six Flags buys another BATMAN -- THE RIDE
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: Batman, over-used name

wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins) writes:
>Two questions:
>
>> Batman -- the Ride: SFoG; Atlanta, GA -- Intamin Bobsled ride
>
>	What's a Bobsled? (ok, so color me Ignorant :-)

A coaster which runs in a ``trough'' instead of on rails.

>> Batman -- the Ride: SFoMA; St Louis, MO -- Intamin/Schwarzkopf Shuttle Loop
>
>	Does anybody know which variant of the shuttle loop this is...
>	by which I mean one launched by a hoisted weight (ugh), or
>	by flywheel (yea!).  Where was its previous home? (Astroworld?)

I pretty sure it's a weight-driven shuttle loop.  In a former life it
was the Tidal Wave at SF Great America.  It was removed to make room for
the ``Batman -- the Ride'' that started it all. 

I've ridden both kinds, but don't remember the weight-driven one well
enough to be able to compare.  My memories of the Schwarzkopf shuttle
loop are almost entirely based on Montezooma's Revenge at Knott's Berry
Farm, which is flywheel-driven.  I rode the Tidal Wave (weight-driven)
at Mariott's (yes, Mariott's!) Great America in Santa Clara California
and remember really enjoying it, but any memories of shuttle loop ride
details are from Montezooma's Revenge, which I've ridden several times
and much more recently. 

Is there really that much difference between the two styles?

Geoff ``Gonna be in Houston soon, but won't get to ride Greezed
	Lightnin :^( '' Allen

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