From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:08:42 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <4430@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) writes:

# In article <1992Nov3.214333.26887@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >In article <dfs.720826085@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:

# ># In <1992Nov3.205925.24782@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
# ># makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# ># >    Now I happen to believe the Rabbi is not a racist.  However, a
# ># >discussion on that topic cannot be held unless those involved
# ># >understand the Rabbi's views in their proper context.  Few (actually
# ># >none in my opinion) that condemn the Rabbi and his views do this.

# ># In that case, it is not possible to hold an intelligent discussion on
# ># the issue with you, since you state that "none who condemn the Rabbi"
# ># understand his views,

# >       You are sort of correct here.  There has yet to be an intelligent
# >discussion because most of the discussion has involved false claims of
# >what the Rabbi's views are and refutations of those claims.

# ># Great copout.  Wish I'd thought of it first.

# >       What copout?  It is precisely what has ocurred!
 
# I have been getting more and more bored by the above discussion.  As a
# matter of fact I have read two of the late Rabbi Kahane's books ('They
# Must Go' (The self-styled Kach manifesto) and 'Why be Jewish?').  To
# read his political outlook for Israel is to see paranoia at its
# fullest,

	While it be also be paranoia (but I doubt it), it is very
realistic.

# and even the most extreme right in Israel (excluding, of
# course, Kach and its successors) have condemned these views as counter
# to those of Judaism,

	Of course.  Kach is a political threat to them.

# as have almost all Rabbis,

	Really?  If you are talking about Orthodox Rabbis, then I would
dispute this.

# including the two
# Chief Rabbis (Askenazi and Sephardi) who are both to the right in
# their political outlook.
 
	And who are political apointees.

# To read the second book ('Why be Jewish?') one sees one of the main
# problems facing diaspora Jewry today (Israel has an equivalent but
# different problem), that of assimilation.  This book is also paranoid,
# but less so.

	Why is it paranoid?

# The one major fault with it is not that he draws the
# conclusion that one should move to Israel (with which I wholeheatedly
# agree) but that also all the Arabs should be kicked out unless they
# conformed with certain conditions which I cannot remember.

	It is not just the conclusion he draws, but one that without
divine intervention is the only thing that will gaurantee the
existence of Israel.

# Of course, if all the Jews came to live here in Israel, then there
# would not be this problem with the Arabs [in Israel].


	Agreed.

# >"For all I care, you can send your money to the Hitler memorial fund, too, if
# >that pleases you."

# >From  arens@vaxa.isi.edu (Yigal Arens) in article <9323@venera.isi.edu>
 
# Please also put your name in the .sig file-it makes it easier to
# remember that it was not you who said the detestable thing you are quoting.

	No one has ever suggested that before.  I do include the name of
the originator, along with the id of the article he wrote it in.
--
"For all I care, you can send your money to the Hitler memorial fund, too, if
that pleases you."

From  arens@vaxa.isi.edu (Yigal Arens) in article <9323@venera.isi.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish