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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:21:18 -0500
From:         Max Becherer <becherer@SUNA0.CS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: not more pow articles

Judith Henchy  posted the following...


>Does upholding of the Peace Accords also mean US payment of the war
>reparations promised?   Judith Henchy

>On Fri, 25 Sep 1992, KIM PATTERSON wrote:

>> Max,
>>   I agree with you. We should not normalize relations with Vietnam!
>>   There is a bill and I will have to check it's title, called the
>>   Free Vietnam bill, which would call for not allowing normalization
>>   until VIetnam is no longer under communist rule! I think that the
>>   only flaw of the hearings is that Kerry makes it sound that we will
>>   normalize upon resolution. I hope not.
>>    We must demand that the Paris Peace Accords are upheld, that there
>>   is as full accounting for the missing as possible, and let communism
>>   go to it's destiny-oblivion.
>>   Kim Patterson
>>
>> I hope that SEASIA will continue to pass along all news concerning
>> the POW/MIA issue.
>>
>> *************************************************BITNET:  ICFH500@INDYCMS
>> Kim Patterson
>> Internet:  ICFH500@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU
>> "The attempt to combine wisdom and power has only rarely been successful,
>> and then only for a short while."                       --Albert Einstein
>> *************************************************************************


       Ms. Henchy,

       Perhaps a case can be made for reparations to compensate for the damage
done during the war.  But who should this aid benefit ?  The answer to that is
clear: the Vietnamese people, of course.  Any aid to Vietnam, war related or
otherwise, must be put on hold until after the communist regime in that nation
is overthrown.  Why ?  Remember, we want to help the Vietnamese people.  If aid
is given now, the people will never see it.  The communists will squander it
just like the billions the Soviets gave then in years past.  They will use it
to shore up their slipping grip on power, and in that regard, aid now is worse
than no aid at all.  Instead of improving the lot of the Vietnamese people, it
will make matters worse by forstalling the day whan the brutal regime in Hanoi
joins its Soviet and East European comrades on the ash heap of history.

       Any reparations are owed to the Vietnamese people, not the thugs who
currently rule them.  The United States owes the communists nothing, nothing
but contempt for their appalling human rights record, their incompetant and
corrupt rule, and their refusal to do what is in the best interests of their
own people: resign.


Refer comments, suggestions, flames to

                 Max Becherer    becherer@cs.uiuc.edu

       Nothing Evil lasts forever -- the Future belongs to the Free.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:53:12 EDT
From:         Loren Ryter <ST701831@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      US Congress cuts IMET to Indonesia

US CONGRESS CUTS MILITARY AID TO INDONESIA

Friday, Oct 2, 1992

The US Congress today cut the International Military Education Training
program to Indonesia out of the FY 92-93 Federal Budget without conditions,
in reaction to Indonesia's continuing violation of human rights in East Timor.
The decision, which came out of a conference committee between the House
and the Senate, is stronger than most supporters of East Timor had hoped,
and represents a major victory for the people of East Timor.

Last June, the House suspended the IMET program without conditions, but
the Senate voted late in September to cut IMET, but with extremely weak
conditions which would allow the President of the US to continue IMET after
certifying that human rights conditions were improving.  This stance was
little solace to supporters of East Timor, since the Bush administration is
generally of the opinion that human rights conditions are perpetually
improving when they are being committed by countries the US otherwise
supports.

In the conference committee, the House members stood firm, and the Senate
members overwhelmingly supported the House position, with the exception
of Kasten (R-WI) and Inoye (D-HI).  The committee adopted language which
left room for other forms of aid to Indonesia to be reviewed at anytime
during FY 92-93.

The IMET cut puts Indonesia in a tricky diplomatic position, since it has been
fighting any linkage between economic aid and human rights.  Last April,
after the Dutch suspended some aid to Indonesia in reaction to the
November massacre, Indonesia countered by refusing all Dutch aid in protest
of what Indonesia considered colonial arrogance.  Yet the amount of Dutch
aid was paltry, and was compensated by other donors.  It would be
economically disastrous for Indonesia to be consistent in its righteousness by
refusing American aid.

News of the cutoff has already been broadcast by Australian Broadcasting
Company (ABC), which is often surreptitiously monitored by East Timorese
within East Timor.  Undoubtedly, this news will boost East Timorese morale.

US supporters of East Timor say that the next battle is to convince the US
State Department that the time is ripe to stop shamelessly helping Indonesia
hold onto East Timor.  This may prove difficult, since East Timor is a cat that
would be very embarrassing for the State Department to let out of the bag.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:45:16 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      PH: Kidnapping crackdown

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:32:20 EDT
From:         cnd-editor@sdsc.edu
Subject:      CND-Global, October 2, 1992

              * * *  C h i n a   N e w s   D i g e s t  * * *

                              (News Global)

                        Friday, October 2, 1992

5. The Philippines Announces Crackdown on Wave of Kidnappings ...........33
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From: Liu Jian
Source: DJ, 9/30/92

MANILA - Fourteen people, including four immigration agents, have been
arrested for kidnapping.

The military chief Wednesday announced the stepped up campaign to battle a
wave of ransom abductions.

The alleged ringleader claimed his operation was supported by "high-ranking
police and military officials," including a police general, said Gen.
Lisandro Abadia.

Abadia said the 14 were involved in car thefts, murder and kidnapping,
including the abduction of two Americans who were released after paying
ransoms.

He identified the Americans as John Keegan and Greg Stilwell, but didn't
say where they were from. The U.S.  Embassy said it was unaware of such
kidnappings.

The arrests follow a wave of kidnappings and other crimes, which many
Filipinos believe have been committed by corrupt police and soldiers.

President Fidel Ramos, elected in May, has asked Congress to restore the
death penalty for kidnapping and other serious crimes.

Vice President Joseph Estrada, chairman of the Presidential Anti-Crime
Commission, said up to 100 people, mostly Filipinos of Chinese origin,
have been kidnapped in the past 2 months.

Estrada said wealthy Filipino-Chinese were victimized because they
usually refused to cooperate in police investigations for fear of reprisals.

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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:58:30 -0400
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      Re: Apology to Nhan Tran

>>Ed, I think you're thinking of Chan Tran, editor of Vietnam Insight, which
>>is apparently a mouthpiece for overseas anti-Communist Vietnamese.  Most of
>>his postings have been quite blatant propaganda, although I actually have
>>found a few about specific human rights abuses to be informative.  Nhan
>>Tran just posts newswire service stories relating to Vietnam.
>>
>>I once confused the two of them myself.
>>
>>Dave Kohr     CS Graduate Student     Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>
>
>To Nhan Tran:
>
>  You have my sincerest apologies.
>
>Edwin E. Moise


Your apologies are accepted!

Nhan Tran
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:43:48 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: MP denies link to drug cartel

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 16:49:27+0700
From: yongyuth@munnari.oz.au (Yongyuth Pahirah)

The Nation Sept 27 Sunday edition

CHAT Pattana MP for Phetchaburi Yuth Angkinand yesterday denied he was
involved in the production and trafficking of drugs near the Thai-Burmese
border in the central province.

  Yuth admitted, however, he had been asked by local border patrol police to
  help with the efforts to trace a number of patrolmen who had been missing
  since a routine mission last month went astray. Only four of the nine-man
  team have been found.

  ``Why should I be involved in the drugs trade when I have always been a
  wealthy man,'' he said.

  The Phetchaburi MP, who is widely recognized as an influential person in the
  province, said he had always cooperated with the authorities in security
  affairs, including trying to persuade a group of Communist guerrillas based
  in Phetchaburi to give up their armed struggle.

  Yuth said he believed the unidentified armed men who attacked the patrolmen
  belonged to remnants of the Communist Party of Thailand still active in
  Phetchaburi.

  ``I believe the attack on the border patrol police was the result of a
  misunderstanding. Everything will be alright soon,'' he said without
  explanation.

  The border patrol police are preparing for a major offensive against the
  unidentified group who are thought to be guarding what is believed to be one
  of the biggest heroin and marijuana production areas in Thailand.

  At least three drugs-producting plants are thought to be located in an area
  of about 5,000 rai in Phetchaburi's Kang Krajan subdistrict.

  The guerrillas are believed to be heavily armed and their bases
  well-fortified, according to police officers.

  Sources at the Border Patrol Police Bureau say influential politicians in
  Phetchaburi and Prachuap Khiri Khan are involved in the production and
  trafficking of drugs originating from the Thai-Burmese border in
  Phetchaburi. However they would not reveal their names.
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:07:54 EDT
From:         "(Doug Raybeck)" <draybeck@ITSMAIL1.HAMILTON.EDU>
Subject:      Attn: Marjorie Raj
              "Chan Fook Weng" at Sep 26, 92 1:38 pm

 I have a lengthy list of e-mail addresses of libraries including places
like Cornell, Michigan, etc, which have extensive holdings on SEA.  I
don't want to burden the list with this document, but if you will send
me your address I will forward this material.

	Douglas Raybeck
Anthropology Department
Hamilton College
198 College Hill Rd
Clinton, NY  13323

<draybeck@hamilton.edu>

Voice:  (315) 859-4227
Fax:    (315) 859-4632
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:13:18 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Chat Pattana hopeful of joining new govt

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:46:18+0700
From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.th (Yongyuth Pahirah)

The Nation Oct 1 edition

THE Chat Pattana (National Development) Party expects rifts to occur in the
government of Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai and that it will lead to the party
being invited to join the coalition.

  Party Secretary General Prachuab Chaisarn said yesterday that the rifts
  could not be resolved and Chat Pattana is asked to join the government, it
  would consider the invitation.

  ``The Democrat Party itself should be aware that the situation with the
  newly-appointed Cabinet is somewhat similar to when a group defected from
  the Democrat Party following internal conflicts,'' said Prachuab, a former
  Democrat deputy leader who defected to Chat Pattana before the Sept 13
  general election.

  He warned the five-party coalition government could face internal rifts as
  only two parties _ Democrat and Social Action _ had experience in
  government.

  He said he wished to convey a message to Chuan that the stability of the
  government should be based on pragmatism but with regard to principles.

  Asked if he believed the government would encounter disputes within its
  ranks and ask Chat Pattana to join the coalition, Prachuab said the party
  was expecting such a development.

  ``However, once the government makes such a request, Chat Pattana will first
  have to consider the matter,'' he said.
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:56:00 CDT
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Subject: Re: Flight information to Malaysia/Japan

Watch out if you deal with Master Travel in california.  I have friends on two
accounts suffered lost of money by booking air ticket through the company.  The
agent was either intentionally or unintentionally made errors on their booked
ticket, and denied any responsibility.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:16:58 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Chuan to set up election commission

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 16:03:26+0700
From: Yongyuth Pahirah <yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.th>

The Nation Oct 4 edition

  PRIME Minister Chuan Leekpai said yesterday he agreed in principle with the
  idea of establishing an election-monitoring commission to ensure clean and
  fair elections at every level.

  Chuan stressed that he supported the idea of having a private and
  independent commission to help the government monitor elections as long as
  its personnel are not government officials.

  ``The government may support the independent commission in terms of budget
  in certain cases, but I want to emphasize that its staffers must not be
  civil servants,'' the premier said.

  The independent PollWatch Committee has called for setting up a permanent
  authorised body to help the Interior Ministry monitor elections to ensure
  fairness.

  Chuan said the Interior Ministry is already directly authorized to organize
  elections and to ensure fairness and deter vote buying.

  In past elections, however, some Interior Ministry officials had neglected
  the electoral law irregularities of some politicians out of fear that those
  politicians might be elected and become their boss.

  The PollWatch panel set up by former Prime Minister Anand Panyarachun to
  oversee the national elections on March 22 and Sept 13 was established on a
  temporary basis. It had the power only to alert the authorities concerned
  about vote buying and other electoral law irregularities.

  The watch dog group was criticized by some during its two incarnations as
  being a waste of government funds, as it was not empowered to take direct
  legal action against electoral law offenders.

  The premier said it would probably take another one or two general elections
  before the electoral process was satisfactory. He said people should
  meanwhile be learning about elections from experience at the local and
  provincial levels.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:11:36 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Tent. date for Govt. policy debate

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:43:42+0700
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak)

THE House of Representatives has tentatively scheduled a Lower House session in
the middle of this month to debate the government policy statement, House
Speaker Marut Bunnag said yesterday.

Mr Marut said the session will be broadcast live on television and radio.

The Democrat Party yesterday appointed an ad-hoc committee comprising veteran
MPs Suthep Thueksuban, Amnuay Patisae, Trairong Suwannakhiri, Suthas Ngernmuen,
Samphan Lertnuwat and its economic expert Savit Bhotiwihok to draft the party's
policy in the Government.

The Democrat
 Par:^HZ.$AQQ=%9=IA=IQ%9%QM=YI959QA=1%eMQQ59Q)to be
 delivered to Parliament its party policy of decentralising ruling power to
the provinces, the need for rural development and income distribution.

The Democrats' proposal which will be incorporated into the policy statement
will complement the party's policy to promote democracy at the grassroots level
and prevent the migration of the rural poor to the capital which will further
aggravate urban social and economic problems.

The Democrat Party will also renew the effort to introduce the provincial
administration law to try to decentralise ruling power to local governments.

Tambon councils will also be promoted as the issue has been part of the election
platform of all parties now in the coalition.

Party sources said that coalition members still differed on the idea of electing
provincial governors and the coalition partners will have to find a common
stand.

The coalition may agree to introduce the election of governors in provinces
which are ready for such changes, the sources said.

Meanwhile, the Social Action Party agreed yesterday to send a seven-point policy
proposal to the Democrat Party for consideration.

Under the proposal the SAP will push for greater income distribution through the
allocation of funds through tambon councils which will be promoted as a juristic
body.

The party will also seek to scrap the controversial land resettlement project.

The party will also push for the Government to introduce a price intervention
scheme to prevent prices of farm products from falling.

Rural teachers will also be given better welfare and benefits while more
water-storing facilities will be built in all villages.

The free medical service scheme wZ[[HX[.I+IY%Y9)
The SAP will also push for more tax privileges from the Board of Investment for
the agro-industry sector.
From: CXEO@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXEO000)
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Subject: Libraries with Southeast Asia Collections
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:20:58 GMT
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Re: Libraries with SEA Collections

As part of the McGill Indonesia Project, the Islamic Studies Library
at McGill is collecting actively in Islam, religion and comparative
religion in Indonesia and SEA in general.

The Islamic Studies Library is fairly unique in Canada and North
America, and the strength of McGill collections in religion and
comparative religion goes back into the last century.

The collection is on-line, except for older material in non-Roman
scripts.  The bulk of the Indonesian material has been cataloged
and entered into the data base on a priority basis to make it
available for the current Project.  Because Library of Congress
and other leading libraries with SEA collections tend not to
emphasize religion, the McGill collection contains material
which is not found elsewhere outside of the Netherlands or
Indonesia.

I will not include all the library stats., as the library
collections cover much more than SEA.  You can access the data
base on line via TN3270 MVS.MCGILL.CA  Choose menu option 2 (MUSE)
and hit return on the CICS screen.  Type OFF to exit.

If there are problems, I would be happy to respond to e-mail
I would also like to have the lists you are able to
assemble for our use!

R. Aiken
McGill Indonesia Project
CXEO@MUSICA.McGill.CA
------------------------------- Original Message -------------------------------
The National Library of Singapore is participating in a national project
to review the library and information services in Singapore.

One of the areas under study is the availability of collections on
Southeast Asia materials within and outside Southeast Asia. As much of the
details of these collections and services have not been documented in
published sources, we are writing this to seek your assistance in
providing us with the information.

We are interested in the following:

1. Collection size  - number of titles/vol.; periodicals;audio-visual;
                      others.

2. Scope - highlight strengths, whether retrospective, contemporary,
           comprehensive, etc.

3. Languages of publication.

4. Clientele.

5. Interlibrary loan/Document sypply.

6. Computerised on-line catalogue - if accessible overseas.
   Would appreciate telnet address of libraries if available. I have been
   collecting a number of these. Can contact me but can't promise I have it.

7. Printed bibliographies.

Would appreciate early replies. Thanks.


--Marjorie Raj
  National Library of Singapore
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From: drk@MELODIAN.CS.UIUC.EDU ((Dave Kohr))
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Subject: Re: POWs and tolerance
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:18:25 GMT
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> From @MIZZOU1.missouri.edu:SEASIA-L@MSU.BITNET Sun Sep 27 22:21:49 1992
> Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:34:00 EDT
> From: EEMOISE%CLEMSON.bitnet@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu
> Subject:      Re: POWs and tolerance
> To: Multiple recipients of list SEASIA-L <SEASIA-L@MSU.BITNET>
>
> Think back.
> A few months ago, Nhan Tran was posting large quantities of material
> that struck a lot of people (including me) as _really_ bad.  There
> were a lot of complaints.  I think he was paying attention, because
> after a while he pretty well stopped posting blatant propaganda.
>
> Ed Moise
> EEMOISE@CLEMSON

Ed, I think you're thinking of Chan Tran, editor of Vietnam Insight, which
is apparently a mouthpiece for overseas anti-Communist Vietnamese.  Most of
his postings have been quite blatant propaganda, although I actually have
found a few about specific human rights abuses to be informative.  Nhan
Tran just posts newswire service stories relating to Vietnam.

I once confused the two of them myself.

Dave Kohr     CS Graduate Student     Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561  Home: (217)359-9350  E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
                   "One either has none or not enough."
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