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From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:52:43 GMT

In article <Bsxs42.MoE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes:
>How about soc.religion.christian.evangelical, with no moderator?
>
>Seems like the folks that hang around r.m.c. tend to be evangelicals;
>that may account for the difference of "flavor" with s.r.c.
>-- 
>Jon Reid    j-reid@uiuc.edu    GEnie: THE.REIDS
>"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."

hmmm. I'm really not hung up on the fundementalist thing. No really, I'm
not. BUT! I know for a fact that our brother and sister Catholics would
feel excluded by a group that had evangelical right there in the heading!
I'm afraid they might feel excluded. And what if you're Anglican, Episcopal,
or Greek or Russian Orthodox? ..etc..etc

                 --Stacey

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From: rdb147t@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Joel Hynoski)
Subject: Quiz
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:15:25 GMT

> Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
> with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
> that you "just gotta have" with you?  This music can be any genre and
> any artist in the last, say 100 years. Your choices don't have to be
> in order of preference and need to include artist (s) and album title.
> 
>   Artist or Group			Album

1.  Amy Grant               Heart In Motion
2.  Sam Phillips            The Indescribable Wow
3.  Mariah Carey            Emotions
4.  Kim Hill                Talk About Life
5.  Abba                    The Singles
6.  Amy Grant               Lead Me On
7.  Rich Mullins            The World As Best I Remember It Vol 1
8.  Kathy Trocolli          Pure Attraction
9.  Amy Grant               Age to Age
10. Michael W Smith         I 2 Eye
 
> Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a
> bottle) that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists or
> groups of your choice; which artists would you want to catch up on?
> 
>			Artist
> 
1. Amy Grant                            6. Frente
2. Kathy Trocolli                       7. Michael W Smith
3. Sam Phillips                         8. Kim Hill
4. Mariah Carey                         9. Rich Mullins
5. Enya                                10. Agnetha Faltskog

> Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which
> has the  best music of the career of one artist or group. If you had
> a choice, which  artist or group would you choose?
 
1. Amy Grant 
2. Shostakovitch
3. Sam/Leslie Phillips 
4. Kim Hill
5. Abba
 
> Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
> groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
> its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear and what
> songs  would you want them to play?

1. Amy Grant - anything at all
2. Kim Hill - anything from 'Brave Heart'

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                                                   + music ministry for a
"Forgiven, Saved, Restored, Jesus set me free!"	   + dying generation.
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Regeneration: what albums do they have?
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:11:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ponder.drice.714211863
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Texas

In <1992Aug18.162552.14764@walter.cray.com> toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg) writes:

>Sorry to interrupt this group with a question about Christian music, but
>has anyone here heard of a group called Regeneration?

>I heard a song on the radio the other day that was pure unadulterated 
>harmony sung a cappella (my favorite kind), and the DJ says it was by
>Regeneration. 

>My question is, do they have album(s) with lots of this type of thick,
>rich, gooey vocal harmony, or was this song I heard an anomoly for them?
>(If the former, I'm going to order one!)

>Thanks,
>  - Tom A.

Regeneration's albums are FULL of rich harmonies.  I own a couple of their
albums and really enjoy them.  Alas, however, Regen was no longer around
after the early 80's and you may have trouble finding any of their albums.

Hope you find some!

--
Keith
drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 7777777 Seventy Sevens 77777777
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:32:11 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1992Aug15.191512.15199@Princeton.EDU>, crf@tomato.princeton.edu (Charles Ferenbaugh) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug13.210212.22331@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
|> >I just listened to "All Fall Down" by the 77's again
|> >today and am wondering if anyone knows what in the world
|> >is being said at the end of "Ba ba ba ba" as they fade out.
|> >It sounds something like this:
|> >
|> >   Dish bawkfa, dish bawkfa goot geh.
|> 
|> Hmmm, it's been ages since I've heard that song.  But I seem to remember
|> hearing those words as something like:
|> 
|>    Wie Schafe, zur Schlagbahn(?) gef\"uhrt.
|> 
|> which, if you happen to know German, means "like lambs led to the
|> slaughter."  No backmasking, just a simple foreign language.

Three cheers for Charles! This actually looks like it might be the long
awaited translation! I recorded the segment in question into my Mac to
do a little digital filtering, reversing and stuff and my best phonetic
rendering was:

   Dishvava, dishangan guh gurt

which matches quite well with the German phrase here! Barring any other
credible explanations or conversations with Mike Roe... EUREKA!

|> - Charles

-- Tim
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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Falwell, Ankerberg, Walter Martin...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:45:25 GMT

In article <drice.714020670@ponder> drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice) writes:
>In <satoell.920815200239@eng.auburn.edu> satoell@eng.auburn.edu (Ellen Ayumi Sato) writes:
>
>
>>Could anybody tell me who Jerry Falwell, John Ankeberg, and Walter Martin are?
>>I've heard their names a number of times, but haven't read any book they've

  Since someone has already talked about Jerry, I'l take John and Walter.
  John Ankeberg is a TV show host. Well, sort of like a Christian version
  of Donahue. Very sensationalistic. I've never seen his show, but went to
  a friend raising dinner of his with a friend of mine, who used to watch
  his show.
  
  Boy was I uncomfortable! We have a nice dinner provided by a local
  family chain restaurant. We then watched a slick video about his show.
  Then he started teling us about his financial woes. They took a collection.
  About 10 minutes later, he siad it wasn't enough. So he started badgering
  the audience, "especially you men out there who own your own business."
  I think we ended up with 2 collections, maybe even 3. Excuse me while
  I get sick.... I've had any desire to watch him after this.

  Walter Martin, on the other hand, is someone I hae a great deal of respect
  for. He has since, as christians say, "gone to be with the Lord." He is
  indeed associated with the Christian Research INstitute, as the founder
  (I think). CRI -- so i've been told last night -- is a transdemoninational
  (e.g. on their staff they have a premillineal dispensationalist as well
   as a charismatic) group the is a research institute and resource source
  for information on cults and cultic groups. I think Mr. Martin's most
  famous book is _Kingdom of the Cults._ 

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From: jlalou@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (JEAN-MARC LALOUETTE : THIRD)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Calling All Petra Fans
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:53:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: elaine.jlalou.4
Organization: Electronic Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, South Africa

Yo All you Petra Fans Out There

EMAIL ME

JLALOU@ELAINE.EE.UND.AC.ZA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: R.M.C. Desert Island Quiz #2
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:58:29 EST

> 
> Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
> with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
> that you "just gotta have" with you?  This music can be any genre and
> any artist in the last, say 100 years. Your choices don't have to be
> in order of preference and need to include artist (s) and album title.
> 
>   Artist or Group			Album
1.  The Choir				Chase the Kangaroo
2.  Nine Inch Nails			Pretty Hate Machine
3.  DigHayZooSE				Struggle Fish
4.  scaterd few				Sin Disease
5.  enya				Shepherd Moons
6.  Tonio K				Romeo Unchained
7.  Steve Taylor			I Predict 1990
8.  Yello				One Second
9.  The Cure				Standing on the Beach singles
10. REZ					Innocent Blood
 
> Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a
> bottle) that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists or
> groups of your choice; which artists would you want to catch up on?
> 
>			Artist
> 
1. The Choir                            6. Disney
2. NIN                                  7. Breakfast With Amy
3. scaterd few                          8. Mad At the World
4. Tonio K                              9. Pixies
5. enya                                10. Primus

> Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which
> has the  best music of the career of one artist or group. If you had
> a choice, which  artist or group would you choose?
 
1. Jimi Hendrix 
2. Bach
3. The Choir 
4. Pixies
5. REZ
 
> Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
> groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
> its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear and what
> songs  would you want them to play?

1. Breakfast With Amy: Mr. Ed, Ad America, Baby Baby
2. scaterd few: the entire Sin Disease album, w/out Kill the Sarx II

> Please post all replies to this quiz on the net and have fun
> filling it out! :-)

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From: rws@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's "Sexy" comment
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:05:57 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1992Aug8.131309.25827@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
> In article <1992Aug07.225007.2101@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn) writes:
>>I think a number of the people who are flaming AG for this video need
>>to join a drama club or some similar organization and work in the 
>>environment for a while before they are so vehement in their judgements 
>>of her and her "apparent" motives. When you're doing all you can to 
>>concentrate on presenting the proper appearance, tone, and bodily 
>>position, 'making out' is the *last* thing on your mind.
> 
> As a matter of fact, I have belonged to acting groups and drama clubs of
> various kinds.  When involved, I refused to do anything on stage that
> Christ would disapprove of in real life.  I would not use profanity, I
> would not portray sexual activity of any sort (because the person would
> not have been my fiancee, now wife).  I didn't get many major roles 
> because of my refusal to compromise, but I could go to sleep with a 
> clear conscience at night.
>>
> 
> --
> Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
> Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
> Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2

Is this serious? Do you also refuse to portray Jealousy, Lies, Fear,
Disobedience, doubt, violence, and a whole range of human emotions because in
real life Jesus does not approve of them.  What "Major Roles" have you had?

Russell.
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's "Sexy" comment
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:27:25 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <1992Aug13.140558.164318@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> rws@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>In article <1992Aug8.131309.25827@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>> As a matter of fact, I have belonged to acting groups and drama clubs of
>> various kinds.  When involved, I refused to do anything on stage that
>> Christ would disapprove of in real life.  I would not use profanity, I
>> would not portray sexual activity of any sort (because the person would
>> not have been my fiancee, now wife).  I didn't get many major roles 
>> because of my refusal to compromise, but I could go to sleep with a 
>> clear conscience at night.
>> --
>> Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
>> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
>> Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
>> Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
>
>Is this serious? Do you also refuse to portray Jealousy, Lies, Fear,
>Disobedience, doubt, violence, and a whole range of human emotions because in
>real life Jesus does not approve of them.  What "Major Roles" have you had?

While this is a very good point, I would like to point out that the
keyword in Noel's article is "conscience".  I agree that, if doing the
things he lists above would have gone against his conscience, then it
would indeed be wrong for him to do so, and I would actively encourage
him not to do them.

However, this does not in any way mean that it is necessarily wrong for
someone *else* to do the same things.  Someone who is more comfortable
portraying a villain on stage, for example, should feel free to do so
unless his own conscience tells him otherwise.

The common assumption is that, "if it bothers *my* conscience, then
it's wrong for *everyone*".  Some things, like eating meat sacrificed
to idols (as a random example...), are sinful or not depending
*entirely* on one's conscience.  Therefore, while I would encourage
Noel not to portray a villain on stage because of his conscience, I
would not discourage others whose consciences permit it.

You may press further and ask me how I know who to encourage and who to
discourage, if I don't know another's conscience.  Shouldn't I just
play it safe and discourage all behavior that I know bothers *anyone's*
conscience?  My response is that, unless someone tells me where their
stumbling blocks lie (as Noel did), I have no idea whether to encourage
or discourage anything.  Furthermore, assuming the people in question
are fairly mature, they should be exercising their own discernment, and
deciding these things for themselves.  I will allow them to be adults.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: R.M.C. Desert Island Quiz #2
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:14:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
that you "just gotta have" with you?  This music can be any genre and
any artist in the last, say 100 years. Your choices don't have to be
in order of preference and need to include artist (s) and album title.

		Artist or Group			Album		
1.              Michael Card			The Way of Wisdom
2.              Michael Card			Present Reality
3.              Michael Card			The Life
4.              Bob Bennett			Lord of the Past
5.              Nat King Cole			Greatest Hits
6.              James Taylor			Greatest Hits (British version)
7.              Paul Simon			Negotiations and Love Songs
8.              Rodgers and Hammerstein		The Sound of Music
9.              Supertramp			Crime of the Century
10.             Pink Floyd			The Wall

If I could include classical music most of this list would be replaced
(included would be Handel's "The Messiah" and Bach's "Mass in B Minor"
both conducted by John Elliot Gardiner).


Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a bottle)
that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists or groups of your choice;
which artists would you want to catch up on?

		Artist

1.   Michael Card                      6. Paul Simon
2.   Bob Bennett                       7. Mary Chapin Carpenter
3.   Charlie Peacock                   8. Eric Clapton
4.   George Winston                    9. Andrew Lloyd Webber
5.   Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits)     10. James Taylor

Classical: Anything conducted by J.E. Gardiner, Trevor Pinnock, John
Rutter, Neville Marriner, and Charles Dutoit.


Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which has the 
best music of the career of one artist or group. If you had a choice, which 
artist or group would you choose?

Since I already have what I want from some artists (from question 1 and 2):

1.   George Winston
2.   Michael Hedges
3.   Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits)
4.   Eric Clapton
5.   Andrew Lloyd Webber

Classical: Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, and Wagner (for his Operas)


Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear and what songs 
would you want them to play?

It would seem silly to chose music I already have and am probably
utterly sick of after years on a desert island:

1. Frank Sinatra -- "New York, New York"
2. Bruce Springsteen (because his concerts are the greatest) -- music from
   "Born to Run"

Classical: Handel's "Water Music"  %^)


Carl
From: randy@uutopia.dell.com (Randy Price)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Need a Scripture reference
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:26:16 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer Corporation

In article <Bsxoq8.11M@rice.edu>, mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:
|> >Yes, this IS sort of music-related. Can anyone give me a scripture 
|> >reference to back up a claim I heard last night that Satan was "in charge" 
|> >of the music in heaven before his fall? I'd sure appreciate a reply today
|> >if someone's got it.
|> 
In one of the prophets, (sorry long day), there is mention of the King (or Prince) of TYre who is
usually interpreted as Satan, having wings bedecked with pipes and timbrales.

Randy
-- 
Randy Price                      randy@uutopia.dell.com
The opinions are my own, not my employers, cognito.
"Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have
removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God"
From: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mike Roe's voice (was Re: bands like REM)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:46:24 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Aug18.210605.11920@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>About the 77's and Lost Dogs, I bought the 77's "Sticks and Stones"
>and liked Mike Roe's voice (I also like l-o-w voices).  But when I
>listened to the Lost Dogs' "Scenic Routes", I was very suprised to
>hear Mike Roe singing in a much higher pitch.  He sounded even higher
>pitched than Terry Taylor (is that right?  lead singer for DA?) to me,
>even though I thought that that Roe singing on "Sticks and Stones" was
>lower than Taylor's singing on "Kalhoun". Go figure?
>
>Can someone tell me, how does Mike Roe's singing on the other 77s
>albums compare to his singing on "Sticks and Stones" and on "Scenic
>Routes"?
>

Well, I found the Lost Dogs disc to be interesting from the standpoint of
picking out who is singing and when.  Unless it unqeuivocally states on
the liner sheet that it is who you think it is, I would not consider it
to be so.

These are 4 of the greatest voices in alternative Christian music, and
they have weaved them back and forth upon each other to where you really
have to listen close.

But yes, in general, everyone's voices on here are more 'whiney', its
supposed to be that way, its a twangy cornball country kind of thang.

--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
I came to terms with love when I could not escape it, and it would not let go.
		Big Town / Ashley Cleveland / Big Town
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: I would like some terms explained.
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:07:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.153753.7289@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.192549.815@rtsg.mot.com> oakes@rtsg.mot.com writes:
>:I would like some definitions for some of the terms that are used to
>:describe different styles of belief in the Christian church.  I will include
>:my understanding of these.  I would also appreciate some examples of "well
>:known" churches (national organization) that fall under these styles:
>:
>:Fundamentalist:
>:
>:-- Goes back to the theory that "the Bible is the unerring word of God, and
>:must be believed and followed completely."
>
>I guess it all depends on who is using these terms - the press sometimes
>seem to think that if you are against abortion that you should be labeled
>a fundamentalist.  Also note that there is no 'fundamentalist' club that
>various groups join - they get tagged that term because of similar beliefs.

There is also a historical connection, as the "Fundamentalist movement"
began around the turn of the century.  A significant feature of this
movement was a reaction against the uproar caused by Darwin's
research.

If I recall correctly, the movement originally asserted that the Bible
was to be taken literally at *every* point, notably with regards to the
first few Chapters of Genesis; this assertion was gradually relaxed
somewhat when critics pointed out that Jesus was not *literally* a
vine, for example, but the literal interpretation of the account of
Creation remains a defining characteristic of the Fundamentalist
movement.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
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