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From: shanega@athena.mit.edu (Shane G. Artis)
Subject: Re: Cooperative world trade--a Maoist response
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:53:35 GMT

>
>I believe Taiwanese and Koreans have a special duty given their
>newly emerging economies, a duty you will only agree with if
>you agree with internationalism. That duty is to speak out
>against U.S. and other imperialist backing of landlord-dominated
>governments squelching their peoples around the planet.
>

Oh please...The US is squelching Koreans and Taiwanese around the planet?
Then why are the US graduate schools _filled_ with these Koreans and
Taiwanese learning from the best graduate school system in the world
and returning that knowledge to their homelands (except when they
choose to remain in our society).  It's certain that China has not
been a benefactor of these students, and wasn't in Mao's day either.
The US makes no moves to restrict this, apart from some desultory
efforts to kick a few more of us lazy American students up to that
level...

>The next duty is to rearrange world trade and investment on socialist
>terms, so that no country is left out of cooperation. Economic
>development should not be a matter of countries ganging up on each
>other to form "trade blocs" and the like. Already we've seen that
>World War I was caused by precisely such blocs and that World War II
>was largely a result of World War I. In the United States, we see
>rising Japan-bashing. (And Amerikans can't tell the difference
>between Japanese and Koreans and Chinese.) However, this kind of
>chauvinist X-bashing is a feature of competitive, cut-throat
>capitalism. The names may change, but the game stays the same since
>World War I. (Given what is happening in Bosnia/Croatia etc.,
>sometimes the names don't even change in this reactionary setup.)

I, an American (please spell it correctly), can distinguish easily
between these three cultural and  ethnic divisions.  And are you comparing the
Serb's ethnic purgings (read mass murders) with the economic and
imperialist disputes that occurred at the turn of the century?
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: GREAT THANKS TO DEASHIK KIM
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:50:01 GMT

Reply-To: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Keywords: 
Message-I.D.: 
Date: Wed Aug 19 02:08:19 CDT 1992
I really appreciate DEASHIK KIM who frequently post his opinion on this
news group.
I WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT DEASHIK IS REALLY NICE PERSON WHO HELPED 
A PERSON IN MISERY.

I began to use Sun for reading newsgroup recently, but my sun could not
post anything and could only read rrn. Pnews was disabled.

system operator was not helpful and He was not willing to fix this
problem.

Oneday when I post saying that I opened my Sun account to everybody 
who want to use VADA hangul, Deashil warned me that somebody could use
my account to make a fraud net sale. 

At that time My sun was crippled, and I believed that no one could
post any sale ads.

I emailed him with my telnet pin and user name and password so that
he could examine my system configuration.

At that time I was sure that no one could do this job, for my sys op.
told me that he was doing that job but not successful.

But amazingly he did it one by one.

At first he succesfully made my almost crippled sun be able to post.
I was really happy, but I found seconde problem. Netter could not
reply from my post.

Today DEASHIK logged into My Sun, and he added the following lines.
NOW MY SUN RUNS PERFECT, ALIVE FROM ALMOST DEAD.

I requested several times he SYSTEM OPERATOR to fix it but HE never answered
to my asking, just neglected everything. 

If there were no DEASHIK, there were no perfect SUN of mine.

GREAT THANKS TO DEASHIK.


-----what DS did on my sun----

#alias mkae          make

# By Daeshik Kim
alias cd	'cd \!* && set prompt="$cwd> "'
#alias ls	ls -CF
set filec
stty crt

# For NEWS HEADER
setenv NEWSHEADER \
'From: %L@%H.physics.auburn.edu (%N)\
Newsgroups: %(%F=^$?%C:%F)\
Subject: %(%S=^$?%"\n\nSubject: ":Re: %S)\
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From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: the answers GMT was looking for (Re: Chinese questions)
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:17:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I will like to thank Mr.Han Kim's previous posting, it was informative.

Denny.
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:04 PDT
Subject: Re: Korean diplomacy twds. China
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1473700028:cdp:1473700030:000:1589
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 22 08:04:00 1992



Dear Hanwe Kim,

In this case I don't believe, that Taiwan's claim to be the only legitimate
government of China is the problem, as recently Taiwan developped a quite
flexible attitute here. The PR China won't accept a Taiwanese embassy in
Seoul.

China is South-Korea's key to get the North under control. I am slightly
"Taiwan biased" (by marriage...), but actually now it's safer again to
live 40km south of the DMZ. And even for my Taiwanese wife it will be easyer
to visit her relatives in Shanghai.

Korea actually has no choice. Whatever the Koreans do, they are condemned to
be a peripheral and tribute paying country of China. Without able to offer
Korea alternatives, I can't blame the Koreans for switching diplomatic ties
from Taiwan to the PR China.

However, the procedure was absolute amateurish and disgusting. The suddeness
really showed, how less people here care for the future of Taiwan.

Also Taiwan has to take some blame. They could have been better prepared.
Forthermore: their embassy here wasn't too helpful to the many Taiwan-Chinese
living in Seoul. Many Chinese here didn't like the idea to sell the embassy.

One year ago I had an interesting talk with a Taiwanese diplomat in Seoul.
He - to my surprise - said, that China needs to have a good embassy building
in Korea, wether it is Taiwan or the PR China. He later was happy, that the
attempt to sell that embassy failed. To me this is one more proof about the
better side of "Chineseness", I am not used to such an farsighted attitude
in Korea.

Sorry for my bad English, I am Gerrrrrman  :-)

bye, Goetz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: leeh@rtsg.mot.com (Hyo Lee)
Subject: Re: Unix Hangul-OS?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:35:43 GMT

sashzp@lion.unx.sas.com (Heungsun Park) writes:

>Hello, 
>
>I'm using SUN-SPARC Station based on Unix oftenly, and found that
>many chinese students use their own characters through e-mail.
>They said they have their own share-ware Chinese OS for Sun Station.
>
>Do we(korean) have Hangul OS for SUN ?   or is there anyway to communicate
>each other through e-mail in Hangul ?  What's is SUN-KLE ?  How can I
>get this if it is useful ?
>
>Please help me..


I'd like to know too if there is one available.

				Hyo Lee
				leeh@marble.rtsg.mot.com
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Open letter to GMT
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:51:13 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


This is in response to Mr.S.H.Kim's posting

YOu pointed out that the Korean netter who wrote:

>>....sign their name....chinese

thought I was just another maoist and Maoist generally did not leave their 
name.

I did not subscribe to s.c.k. for a long time and I guess I did not 
come across all the Maoist postings.

In this light, I had a wrong opinion of what that Korean netter meant.
So maybe I paraphrased it wrongly.
But that was not out of deceit.
I paraphrased it from memory and wrote what I thought that Dude meant.

All apologies to him then.

Therefore, I demand a public apology from Mr.R.Kim for falsely 
accusing me of 
"deliberately stirring up ....between koreans and CHinese"
and
"twistin the truth....."

(the above are my paraphrase.)

Denny.
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:31:10 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Aug19.233927.21180@nic.umass.edu> s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins) writes:
>
>gee, china invaded korea once but protected her thrice, what more do you ask?
>-- 
>// s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins)

Gee, when did this happen?

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim                                                         
         kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:02:08 GMT

OK, I will say what I really think.

In article <86025@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
[...]
>Again. I am not searching for the absolute answer because I can not. But by
>asking you guys, I will be closer to the truth, isn't it?

OK, let's get some sanity back to this discussion.  First, it would have
been much smoother if it did not start with "struggle" or "Mother China"
etc.  When you know nothing, you assume nothing.  You do not go around
asking "how can a person like you be so successful?" type of question.
Because it is an insult.

>I believe James MUST have an opinion of what his sverage fellow Korean thinks
>and this opinion is exactly what I want.

I do have an opinion which is my own.  I came into to contact with Chinese
people only in my high school year when I moved to Brazil.  My impression
of them is
1.  Mixed bag.  There are all kinds.  Very smart to very dumb.  Very polite
    to 'can use some manners during the meal' type.  Very beautiful to
    'should take more shower' type.
2.  Less revealing.  This could be due to the fact that I am not a Chinese.
    But Chinese seems to have more layers over the core of their heart.  It
    is very hard to see what they really want and what they really are.
3.  Some girls from Hong Kong and Taiwan are knock-outs.  Mainlanders seem
    to attract me less but I think it has to do with their surroundings,
    rather than gene.  As usual, city girls are more sophisticated.  In
    fact, I am planning to write a musical "The lady from Shanghia" one
    day.  It will be about a femme fatal and a innocent foreigner boy
    falling in love...  I like the ring of the city name "shang-hai".
4.  Do not show much trace of Confucious.  If I was not taught Confucious
    was a Chinese, I would not have guessed.  I refuse to elaborate on 
    this.
 
I do not know anything about Chinese religion to compare against Korea.
One has to know both to compare.

I have no idea what the other Koreans think of Chinese.  Koreans do not
have any brainwashing against China in their school years.  So, what you do
in Korea will greatly influence what people think of China.

>"How do Koreans and Japanese and Chinese perceive each other"

On this issue, Koreans have an opinion because THEY WERE TAUGHT to have a
given opinion.  Not much is taught about Chinese.

And 
ALL generalizations are false.

(I hope you get see the joke in the above statement)

James Choi, or JC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Open letter to GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:30:13 GMT

In article <86554@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>
> >>>Are all Chinese not able to write their name?
>
>Yes , this was written by me.
>I quoted that netter's statement out of my memory and that , really,
>was what the KOREAN netter wrote, although not exactly the same.
>Now if you want to attack me for quoting other people's statemetn
>from memory, fine, but do not go on to add meaning to things I said.
>
I don't think you got the right idea about that yet. You still think that 
statement you wrote were really what the original poster meant?
See, there was some Maoists who didn't show their names in signature and
many people supposed that they have Chinese background (but no one is sure
about that since they don't let us know about themselves..).. And then
there you came without name again.. so the poster asked you, "Do all these   
Chinese poster we see currently not want to write their names in signature?"

You see now?   
Just a comment since this is the one of the few things which is still 
bothering both parties.

>
>Denny.
>

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim                                                         
         kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho)
Subject: Re: A question about hangul code on DOS machines
Organization: KAIST
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 08:13:04 GMT

sks@athena.mit.edu (Soonkyu Shin) writes:
> Hello, Netters:
> 
> 	I have a question about the way in which DOS machines handle
> hangul.  Is there an ASCII equivalent of hangul?  If I look at a hangul
> file from the regular dos, would I get garbagte but still plain
> ASCII-type text or will it be all binary?  The reason why I am asking
It will be binary. The way we distinguish KS5601 code and ascii(Usually English)
is by setting the MSB(Most Significant Bit) to 1.

> this is because I am totally blind and I use a braille display
> devicewhich converts English text on my screen to braille patterns.  As
> long as I can get a table of ASCII values for Korean characters, I can
> write a conversion utility to make the DOS machine transmit Korean code,
> as opposed to English characters, as English and Korean braille both use
> the same six-dot 3-by-2 matrix.  Will appreciate any pertinent
> information.  Thanks....
> 
> -SK Shin
> sks@athena.mit.edu
If you need more information on Hangul I can send you the FAQ for Hangul.

Wongyu Cho
--
    ********                
   *  *******         Wongyu Cho
 **  **               Computer Science Dept.
*** *** *** ***       Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3800 soc.culture.taiwan:12286 soc.culture.china:23694
From: zing@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Leon Z. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Korean diplomacy twds. China
Date: 23 Aug 92 06:39:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1473700028@igc.apc.org> anlyyao@igc.apc.org (An-Ly Yao) writes:
>it seems, that Korea will drop her relations to Taiwan and open diplomatic
>ties with the PR China.
[...]
>What do you think about this development? If it is unavoidable, what do you
>think about the  w a y  in which the reorientation of Korean politics will
>take place (so far, as it can be observed now)?
>bye, Goetz Kluge

It is an interesting development indeed.  I, for one, have no reservation
about the Koreans pursuing their own agenda at reunification.  In any event,
it is difficult to speak of friendship when another nation is asking
you to perpetually segregate your own homeland just for the sake of
maintaining a united-front against mainland china.

In any event, the close political ties between thr ROC and the ROK during
the upheavals of the Cold War has rapidly vanished.  The personalities
of Chiang and Park does not exist anymore within the realm of Chinese
and Korean politics.  It is only predicable that Korea will pursue her own
course in history.

If it is any consolation to the ROC, Korea has been a faithful ally
with the Chinese for the past 50 years...which is the best track record
than any other nation could come close to.  Remember how the British dumped
the ROC in order to keep their colony of HK, remember how Japan dumped
the ROC to secure better investments on the mainland, remember how the
US dumped the ROC to use mainland china as a pawn in the Cold War ?
Given this record....the Koreans have been more than faithful and
patient with the ROC.

This incident is interesting one respect....and that is news reports
indicating that S. Korea will recognize the PRC in order to facilitate
reunification talks with N. Korea.  Does this mean that the PRC has
a direct say in the reunification of Korea ?  I always thought that
Korean Reunification was not dependent upon the approval of another
foreign power.  Can anyone elaborate ?
______________________________________________________________________________
  Leon Z. Lee  
  Network Administrator                    Internet: zing@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
  Residence Hall Computer Labs
  University of Texas at Austin
___ Note: Let the consequences of my words be solely bestowed upon me ________
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: a faq
Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions,  Koreans And Chinese, question to
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:23:00 GMT

In article <11AUG199220320276@juliet.caltech.edu> tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.) writes:
>
>for instance, Andrew Kim<jg10@conixa.cc.columbia.edu> writes
>  "Goooooo Mets!"
>but I'm sure he can respect my opinion, when I say, "Go Pirates!" (Then again,
>maybe not.  I'd be pretty pissed if my team lost in extra innings also--
>but maybe the mets will break the Pirate's winning streak next time.  right
>Andrew? ;-) )
>

Arghhhhhhhh

Yes, we did break 'em.  After 8 straight losses, though, it doesn't mean a
flying f**k.  I can't still say that we will beat you next season, but we
will take Bonds from you anyway.  Let's see how much longer you can last.
And I will root for Braves too.  So there. Ha!   :)

BTW, I do respect your opinion.  Being Mets fan, I learned to develope
great patience and tolerance.  (Don't push it, though)

Andrew Kim



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:06:04 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <86025@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>To Mr.Chung:
	I'm sorry I'm not Mr. Chung; but since I thought I've answered
	clearly to your question and I don't get any follow up, let
	me butt my nose in.

>"How do Koreans and Japanese and Chinese perceive each other"

	That's impossible thesis to finish.

	What I think about a Chinese guy/girl (whom I know) is just
	as sames as I think about about another human being;
	if she's pretty, I'll be after her.

	But, have I been to China? Definitely no!
	Do I know what the Chinese Culture is? Nope!
	Roughly, I guess China has mixed race with lots of mixed
	culture from those race.

>I did not say:The average Korean has an Uzi
>I said :Do they.......?
>I also ended with:"Is this generalization true?"

	Did you ever read my prev. posting?

>I did not make a statement, I asked a question and was answered, albeit 
>rudely, but thanks everyone for responding anyhow.

	Let'me make myself clear;
	Your questions seem to assume that 'Korean does this'/
	'Japanese does that' / 'Chinese is like this' - very
	dangerous racial prejudice.
	And denying that, none of your question can be answered.

	I don't know about the others; but you can find every
	different kind of people in Korea.

	Another is that your usage of the term 'Korean' is really
	confusing; does it mean Korean citizen or the race
	not regarding the nationality (including those who weren't born
	in Korea).

>P.S. Logic reigns supreme during debates   

	Hmm.. with false assumption... I don't know..
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:33:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.094654.11070@regina.cs.uregina.ca> guohsu@mercury.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu) writes:
>In article <1473700026@igc.org> An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.org> writes:
...
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Goetz,
>
>The word "Chinamen" you used to translate the name of the book by Bo Yang
>is insulting to Chinese people. Be aware of it, and correct it next time,
>please.
>   As for the book "The Ugly Chinese" by Bo Yang, had received considerable
>critism in China, not to mention the author's many incorrect translations
>from ancient literature to modern language and his deficient knoweledge in 
>Chinese history, he did a lot of generalisations, many statements he made
>about mainland(after 1949) are inaccurate and misleading. People give more
>credit to his book because of his good motivation behind it. 

This style, that uses too simple ways to describe the sophisticated society, 
has been fashionable in a desperate environment. That's why many radical 
youths like Bo Yang's book. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hwikwon@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Hwikwon Ham)
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Organization: College of Liberal Arts, Univ of Minn
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:36:08 GMT

In article <85973@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>Again, this is a illogaical statement.
>Whay should I be Chinese to ask about similarity between Chinese and Koreans?
>Its like saying I need to be Chinese to eat Chinese food.   ?????
>
>Well, I am not Chinese. I grew up in Ghana, W.Africa
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I found something interesting.                
This is the result from finger on him(or her).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: slee@eng.auburn.edu (Sanguk Lee)
Subject: TEST
Reply-To: slee@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:22:42 GMT