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From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Tarot: What's the blank card for?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:17:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.142533.7225@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, on 18 Aug 92 14:25:33 GMT,
sad@dasher.uucp (22430s-downie) writes:

>
>In article <1992Aug18.032907.16615@news.nd.edu>, wlamonac@bach.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug17.200212.4953@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9140397@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Michael J. Hamilton) writes:
>> >In article <1992Aug11.204914.17176@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software) writes:
>> >>
>> >>Has anyone read and practiced Tarot Spells.  I forgot the
>> >>author.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Seems like there was a book on Tarot Spells by Melita Demming
>> >and Osbourne Phillips, published by Llewwylin (sp?).
>> >
>> >Dymen.
>>
>> There is also one called _Tarot Spells_ by Janina Renee that I've seen.  I
>> haven't bought a copy and would like to know if it's any good.
>
>I just bought the above book.  The spells look pretty easy:  tarot
>cards, candles, incense and affirmations.  I'll let you know if they
>work.  Thanks,
>
>Sharon Serene

It is a good book (i've bought three copies so far - roommate started
to use it so I gaver her my copy and bought another, then my best
friend borrowed it so I gave her that copy and bought another) and
it does seem to work. Now let me see....is there a spell of binding in
here....;-).
        --Ed

P.S. in fact there is...
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Holocaust Almanac:  Treblinka - mechanized slaugherhouse
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 12:01:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: Kori,Treblinka,Warsaw

"Treblinka, sixty miles northeast of Warsaw, was set down in a dense pine
forest, isolated by a nine-foot electrified barbed wire fence. It was hard
to imagine that behind the always freshly painted railway station, adorned
with geraniums in neat window boxes, a death toll of 840,000 was being
exacted, using highly mechanized extermination techniques. No planes,
friendly or otherwise, were permitted to fly over it or near it. There were
two camps. Treblinka I, created in 1941, was used to punish political
prisoners who were assigned slave labor duties as part of their
`regeneration.' The Poles among them were usually released when their terms
of punishment were completed. The Jews were either worked to death or
transferred to Treblinka II, which became on of the main Nazi murder
centers. At Treblinka II, 300,000 Jews, uprooted from Warsaw, were executed
during the three summer months of 1942.<12> The historian of the Warsaw
Ghetto uprising, Emmanuel Ringelblum, referred to it in his diary notes as
`the slaughter house of European Jewry.'

The term `mechanized' for Treblinka must be taken literally. The technical
appointments of its gas chambers and crematoria were unsurpassed until Hoess
added refinements at Auschwitz that won back for that camp the trophy for
lethal ingenuity. The enterprising directory of the C.N. Kori Company, when
he submitted the bid for equipment at bargain prices, boasted: `We guarantee
the effectiveness of the crematoria ovens as well as their durability, the
use of the best materials and of course, our faultless workmanship.'<13>

<12> Statistics cited by Yehuda Bauer in "A History of the Holocaust" p.209
<13> Testimony at Nuremberg Military Tribunal Trial, cited in William
     Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, pp.971-973

Extracted from--------------------------------------------------- 
"THE REDEMPTION OF THE UNWANTED", Abram L.  Sachar (New York: St.
Martin's/Marek, 1983.
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For an extensive bibliography dealing with the Holocaust, and containing over 
1100 citations, contact kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca - it will be sent to you
by return email. Additions to this bibliography are actively solicited.

A recent copy of our Almanac Holocaust files may be obtained via anonymous
ftp from menora.weizmann.ac.il, as /pub/texts/oneb-txt.tar.Z - If you do not
have ftp access, I'd be happy to send the collection to you as uuencoded
email. Please specify *.ZIP or compressed tar format. knm.
-- 
"THIRTEEN TRANSPORTS, comprising 13,000 Jews, were sent from Theresienstadt
to ghettos of the Lublin  district between  March 12 and June 13, 1942.  At
least  6,000 of  these Jews  were  murdered in  Sobibor and  about 7,000 in
Belzec." (Testimony of Yehuda Lerner)
Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:654 soc.history:7556
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: LEST WE FORGET: Liquidations in Bialystok
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:01:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: Bialystok,Globocnik,Kock,

BIALYSTOK DISTRICT:

"... in the summer of 1943, Himmler issued an order to Gauleiter Erich 
Kock, the head of the Bialystok General District, and to the local 
commander of the Security Police to liquidate the Bialystok
ghetto and deport its inhabitants to the General Government. [Civilian and
army authorities argued that the Jews were vital to the war economy]. But
Himmler did not accept ths argument. He order the immediate implementation
of the deportation, and, as he no longer relied on the local German
authorities, he entrusted the mission to the Operation Reinhard staff and
the police forces subordinate to them. Globocnik personally came to
Bialystok to coordinate the liquidation of the ghetto with the local German
authorities." <1>

"The deportations were carried out on August 18-19, 1943. From Bialystok
7,600 Jews were sent to Treblinka. Some other transports were deported to
Majdanek and Auschwitz. The final liquidation of the ghetto met with stiff
resistance from the Jewish Underground, which fought back, and many Jews
found their death inside the ghetto during this uprising. But the Bialystok
ghetto, the last ghetto in the entire district, was finally liquidated. The
total number of Jews from ... Bialystok who were deported and murdered in
Treblinka came to about 118,000..." <2>

<1> Yad Vashem Archives, TR-10/1112, the Zimmerman trial, Band 1 (1-2),
    pp. 1-3, testimony of Otto Hellwig
<2> For precise figures from the Arad book, request treblinka.11 from
    kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca

Excerpted from....----------------------------------------------
BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps
Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7
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For an extensive bibliography dealing with the Holocaust, and containing over 
1100 citations, contact kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca - it will be sent to you
by return email. Additions to this bibliography are actively solicited.

Files used for these news posts are available to anyone upon request.
Send email to kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca and request oneb-txt.zip - it
will be uuencoded and sent to you as soon as I can get around to it.
-- 
| "I can inform you, however, that San Quentin has not contracted with Fred
| A. Leuchter, Jr. for the installation of a heart monitoring system or for
| any other work."  Signed: DANIEL B. Vasquez, Warden
Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:649 soc.history:7446
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Holocaust Almanac: Mala Zimtebaum - Defiance at Auschwitz
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:01:02 GMT
Reply-To: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: Auschwitz,Zimtebaum

"The self-sacrifice of 24-year old Mala Zimetbaum in 1944 should also be
remembered. She gave courage to the inmates who had been taunted by the SS
on arrival with `from here one leaves only through the chimney.' Polish
born, a refugee in Belgium at the outbreak of W.W. I <sic>, Mala had been 
deported in 1942, and because she was proficient in languages, was made a runner
(lausferin) by the SS command. She took advantage of the opportunity to move
in relative freedom and carried news and messages from incoming transport to
the camp underground. She planned an escape with a Polish prisoner, stealing
the permit that would be needed to get past the guard. They were absent from
the roll call on the night of the escape, and almost got through the outer
gate but were recognized at they slipped by the last obstacle. Under
torture, Mala refused to reveal accomplices. On the way to the gas chamber
she slashed her wrists with a blade she had stolen from the kitchen. The
guard, infuriated, ordered that she be burnt alive; she responded by crying
out: `Murderers, the day of reckoning is near.' Her mouth was taped and she
was hustled, barely conscious, into the crematorium. After the war, the city
of Antwerp placed a plaque on the house where she had lived that read: `Mala
Zimitbaum, Symbol of Solidarity. Murdered by the Nazis in Auschwitz.
1920-1944.' <11>

<11> Gis Weisblum, cited in Yuri Suhl, "They Fought Back," pp. 182-188

Extracted from--------------------------------------------------- 
"THE REDEMPTION OF THE UNWANTED", Abram L.  Sachar (New York: St.
Martin's/Marek, 1983.
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For an extensive bibliography dealing with the Holocaust, and containing over 
1100 citations, contact kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca - it will be sent to you
by return email. Additions to this bibliography are actively solicited.

-- 
   ----------The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, Canada---------
An anonymous Canadian official was asked, in early 1945, how many Jews
would be allowed into Canada after the war. "None," he said, "is too many."
(From the preface of NONE IS TOO MANY, Toronto, 1982. ISBN 0-919630-31-6)
Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:655 soc.history:7599
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: LEST WE FORGET: Treblinka - Monument to the Dead
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 12:01:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: Treblinka

"After Israel became an independent state, many bodies were exhumed from
the mass graves of Treblinka and reburied in sacred ground in the Homeland,
where the bereaved families gathered yearly to observe the Kaddish for
their own and for the 840,000 who had perished in the camp. The Polish
government devided a unique memorial at Treblinka itself. Thousands of
granite slabs were gathered, each reflecting in size the number of victims
from the towns and cities of Poland who were killed in the camp. Small
natural rocks were scattered on the site to denote the tiniest communities,
and the whole was dominated by a massive boulder that represented Warsaw's
300,000 victims."

Extracted from--------------------------------------------------- 
"THE REDEMPTION OF THE UNWANTED", Abram L.  Sachar (New York: St.
Martin's/Marek, 1983. p.35
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The following was grepped from my Holocaust bibliography for those of you
who would like to learn more about Treblinka. For the complete citation
(these only contain one line, and are therefore often incomplete), please
request the bibliography from kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca:

Chodzko, Meiczyslaw. `Wspomnienia Treblinkarza', B.Z.I.H., No. 27, 1958
Donat, Alexander, ed. `The Death Camp Treblinka', New York, 1979
Greenberg-Moreshet. Tanhum Greenberg, "The Uprising in Treblinka" 
Kon, Stanislav. `The Uprising in Treblinka' in "Sefer Milchamot Ha-Getaot"
Kszepicki, Abraham. Treblinka, B.Z.I.H. No. 43-44, 1962
Steiner, Jean-Francois. Treblinka. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1967
Treblinka-Franz. YVA, TR-1C/1074, the first Treblinka trial, the Kurt Franz
Treblinka-Stangl. YVA, TR-10/1074, the second Treblinka trial, the Franz
Wiernik, Jacob (Yankel). "A Yor in Treblinka" (A Year in Treblinka), New
Wilenberg-Moreshet. Shmuel Wilenberg, "Treblinka - Hamachane ve-Hamered"
  (Treblinka -- the Camp and the Uprising), Yalkut-Moreshet, No. 5, 
Wilenberg-Yad Vashem. Shmuel Wilenberg, "Uprising in Treblinka" Yad Vashem
Zaremba, Jan Alexander. Treblinka, Kielce, 1945
-- 
"I boiled  the soap  out  of  the  bodies of women and men.  The process of
boiling alone took several days --  from 3 to 7.   During two manufacturing
processes, in which I directly participated, more than 25 kilograms of soap
were produced." (Mazur, from "Hitler's Death Camps")
From: khan@cheshire.oxy.edu (Onnie Lynn Winebarger)
Subject: Re-Vita
Summary: nother MLM company
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:01:24 GMT

I've recently gotten involved with Re-Vita, an MLM based on a family of 
nutritional products.
Anybody else heard of it?
I've been using the product for a couple of weeks now and it realy does work.
Unfortunately, salesman mode is turned 'OFF'at the moment, but if anybody else 
wants to hear more, just ask...

Lynn
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(Mr.) Lynn Winebarger |  "Nice girls don't explode"
khan@cheshire.oxy.edu |    -Terim
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From: steve@unipalm.co.uk (Steve Ladlow)
Subject: Is there a directory of MLM opportunites?
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:08:13 GMT

I have had the Amway sales pitch and seen that it can work well for some
people. One problem I have is that there are too many in my neighbourhood 
trying to grow the business.

I don't want to jump on the Amway bandwagon and would like to find new
opportunities. Does anyone know of a directory of MLM opportunities?
Is there a journal or magazine for MLMers?

MLM is bigger in the US than over here in the UK and I would expect that
there are a number of UK people who would like to get in on the act at 
the ground floor, with no or few people signed up. What better way to get
to the top of the levels.

Steve Ladlow
steve@unipalm.co.uk
From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: zep
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:37:00 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Does anyone know if a company called zep chemical sells cleanup chemicals
through mlm?

email me.
hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu

Link Hudson.
From: df2tg2n@ties.bell-atl.com (Steve Rosen)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Is NuSkin a MLM?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:25:53 GMT
Reply-To: df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com
Organization: Bell Atlantic - Phila, PA

I have some friends who sell NuSkin products.  I believe it used to be
called something else.  They insist it is an incredible business
opportunity (for them, they don't try and sell me).  They also insist that
people just above them make tons of money which they hope to do by
recruiting others.

What is this?

-- 
 --=========================================================================--
   Steven M. Rosen / Consultant @ Bell Atlantic - SW Engr. Tech. & Standards
                                  1717 Arch Street (6S2), Phila., PA 19103
   Phone Numbers: W (215)466-2061, FAX (215)563-0517, H (215)465-5334
               +++ Internet/E-Mail: df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com +++
 --=========================================================================--
From: U33695@uicvm.uic.edu (John Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Matol/Pathway/Km
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:52:42 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I have come across a MLM business which sells food/vitamin supplements.
The vitamin is called Km and is supposed to cure everything from the common
cold to shortness [flame off].  They also sell diet food by the name of
Pathway, basically shakes and bars not too different from lots of diet
foods.
Is anyone involved in this? Does anyone know about it?  Are the health or
money-making claims valid?  Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
John Walsh
U33695@UICVM.BITNET
From: bvernon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vernon R. Blakes)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:07:18 GMT
Subject: Re: alt.business.amway
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level

No offense intended to amway distributors when I suggested alt.business.amway.
I received several messages which made it clear that I needed to further
clarify my intentions.  I am an amway distributor myself and my point was just
that since the majority of the discussions in this group involve amway that
maybe it would be better to have a separate group.

I'm not sure why other MLM'ers are not posting but maybe it's due to the heavy
amway discussions.  I agree completely with Jon Noring's response which asks
that other MLMers [come out of the closet].  I would definitely like to here
from anyone who is involved in Melaluca, Shakelee, Sun Rider, Matol Botanica,
NSA, Nu Skin, Main Street Alliance or any other MLM/Network Marketing company.
If you could let us know a little about your company product and marketing 
plan, issues, successes, or anything that would enlighting us to what you're 
all about.

VRB (working on a signature)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: mcdon_s@firefox.vlsiphx (Steve McDonald)
Subject: Re: Amway
Reply-To: mcdon_s@firefox.vlsiphx
Organization: VLSI Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:26:17 GMT

1. Amway was founded in 1959.
2. Amway is not a pyramid.  Call the Better Business Bureau or the FTC.
3. Amway does business in 52 different countries in the world.
4. Amway did 3.1 billion (yes BILLION) in volume in 1991.
5. Amway is debt free.

I am currently amn Amway disributor.  I associate daily with doctors, lawyers, golf pros
and people from countless other walks of life.  The thing I probably like the most about
the whole thing is the association with these people, all of whom are positive friendly
and just plain fun to be with.  And yes, the money is good to.


Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: rrbk50@email.sps.mot.com (Rick Cottle)
Subject: Re: Amway
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Organization: SPS
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:31:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.192617.21968@vlsisj.uucp> mcdon_s@firefox.vlsiphx  
(Steve McDonald) writes:
> 1. Amway was founded in 1959.
> 2. Amway is not a pyramid.  Call the Better Business Bureau or the FTC.
> 3. Amway does business in 52 different countries in the world.
> 4. Amway did 3.1 billion (yes BILLION) in volume in 1991.
> 5. Amway is debt free.
> 
> I am currently amn Amway disributor.  I associate daily with doctors,  
lawyers, golf pros
> and people from countless other walks of life.  The thing I probably  
like the most about
> the whole thing is the association with these people, all of whom are  
positive friendly
> and just plain fun to be with.  And yes, the money is good to.
> 

I think it is great to associate with those people from all walks of life.
Does this mean you actually do business with them, or are they part of 
your upline system and your association is based on their coming into
town for rallies, motiviation, etc.?  I think that for fairness in
advertising, all amway distributors should post 1) their current pin,
2) how long they've been in, and 3) what their net profits are since
they've been in the business.  Of the hundred's of distributors I 
know from my 2-3 years of heavy involvement, I know of maybe 2 who
have in total made more money than they've spent.
--
rick 
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Ask Amway
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:32:28 GMT

Perhaps some Amway questions can be directed to those who are the most
familiar.  Try addressing any inquiries to 75610.33@compuserve.com.  I saw
the address book of a triple diamond and this address was listed.  If you
want a reply, be sure to tell him that the syntax for sending mail from
compuserve is:

                    >Internet:userid.node


If he wants to send a public post (which he may not waste the time):

     >Internet:alt-business-multi-level@ucbvax.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: pete@harps.aero.org (Pete Thomas)
Subject: RE: Amway
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:31:15 GMT

Ian,

Thank you for your reply.  It is so easy to drop down to a flame war--and I 
appreciate your reasoned approach to this issue.  The issues and information
out there is so confused, and people have very strong feelings for and
against network marketing.  (Kindof like some other debates we see on the
Internet).

In any case, the article posted by another newsgroup participant explained
the situation with the Canada court case.  It seems to me that in the end,
Amway Corp. realized that its distributors and some of its policies were indeed
in violation of Canadian Customs (this was as Mr. Conn stresses heavily, not a
test of the legality of the Amway business--it was merely a customs dispute).

I have no information on why there was no appeal, and I think that it is highly
likely that Rich and Jay realized that they were in the wrong.  These people 
(as you've probably read in other postings) are very strong christians, and
have very deep moral and ethical convictions. . .it seems likely to me that if
they realized they were in the wrong with little hope of winning on appeal. . .
even if $25 million dollars was at issue. . .they would have graciously
paid.  After all, the latest figures show Amway Corp's revenues of $4 billion
dollars during the fiscal year just ending.  (I have a file AMSALE.GIF that
shows Amway corporation's revenues going back almost to its inception).

The main thing is that the business is tried and tested, determined to not only
be legal, but in most people's mind's in officialdom who have investigated it
(and believe me--it would be hard to find a business which has been more
investigated than Amway) a moral and ethical one as well.

No, not everyone makes "big" money. . .but it is an opportunity to make
significant side income, without quitting your day job, if you're willing to put
reasonable effort into it on a consistent basis.

From everything I've seen, read, and heard, it is possible for me to succeed by
learning from successful people and applying consistent effort.  The only way I
am going to really succeed is by helping other people succeed in achieving their
dreams.  It sounds topsy-turvy from the way things "usually" work, and it is. 
But that does not mean that there's something wrong with it--in fact, it might
even be better that the "normal way of doing business."  All the trends and
factors point that way:  projections are that up to 65% of goods and services may
be moving through a network marketing medium of some kind by the year 2000.  I'm
an engineer, so I take projections with a grain of salt. . .but to me, 50/50
doesn't seem out of the ballpark, and that's A LOT of goods and services, and A
LOT of potential profit.  I'd rather be doing that than nothing at all.

A full disclosure, including potential monetary figures and statistics from
active distributors, is available to you--free and with no obligation.  Contact
your local distributor, many successful distributors advertise in the phone book.

--Pete