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From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Quick:  Shaq's Skills
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:10:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: walt.9209041810.AA18869


I saw a report a couple of weeks back on ESPN about how Shaq was doing
at Pete Newell's big man camp.  Pete was impressed with Shaq's mental
attitude and his skills.  Newell pointed out Shaq's biggest problems
(foot placement, both on offense and defense, and a lack of post moves)
and said Shaq would get better.   To Shaq's credit, he mentioned the same
weaknesses during a short interview and said he hoped to improve.

I think Shaq will learn the skills necessary to play in the NBA, probably
a lot quicker than most of his critics think it will.


Curtis
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From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard: taking money?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Date:  3 Sep 1992 12:29 EDT  

>Doc Exby writes...

>and why would i be jealous of (sc)um and ann arbor in general?

You?  Jealous?  Now how could anyone think that your tone and
attitude indicate that you are anything else but totally satisfied
with Illinois?  Lay off the "you Michigan guys think you're so
great" routine.  Your inferiority complex is showing.  I have
absolutly  nothing against Illinois other than the fact that,
at least in one case, they've let in someone who was not yet
toilet trained, much less ready for college.  However I may be
jumping to conclusions.  Perhaps they turned you down and that's
why you disparage other schools.  Or perhaps you've just regressed.

> 
>as for childish name calling - here's another one for you to
>disect:  micshitgan.  Now go off and have fun with that one in

Ooooooooh!  Got me there.  I surrender.  Man, if this is Doc, I'd
hate to see Dopey.  Perhaps Doc left his terminal unattended.
Doc would know how to spell dissect.

As I said earlier, I am not dumping on Illinois or its students,
who seem quite civilized.  I'm only dumping on the dwarf here.

You go on ahead and get in the last word, Doc.  I know you can't
resist.  I'm done with this stuff.

Ron
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Bench Depth
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:01:14 GMT
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

Jazzy J writes:
>
>	-- Kentucky is fairly deep, but will have to incorporate a lot
>	of new players.  Here's a look at their prospective lineup:
>
>	Point Guard:  FORD, Braddy (?)   (UK is VERY slim at this position)
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Shooting Guard:  BROWN, Delk, Harrisoh
>        Small Forward:  RHODES, Pritchett 
>	Power Forward:  MASHBURN, Timberlake
>	Center:  MARTINEZ, Dent (eligible?), Riddick
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes. Dent has just passed his exams and will be enrolling either this
afternoon or Monday. Close shave. Dent, obviously, has some academic
limitations, so it will be interesting to see if Pitino can get him
situated and studying and succeeding. Many recruiting touts doubted
that Dent would ever make it to Lexington at all. Count me in that 
group, so color me stupid and stuff me in a bag.

Also, I imagine Delk will be Ford's biggest challenger at point this season.
Jeff Brassow, hopefully, will start at either 2G or SF.
-- 
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From: beineke@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu (Phil Beineke)
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Organization: /home/beineke/.organization
	<1992Aug27.220139.16640@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<Bto6Cz.JCC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Aug28.141416.12718@cs.wayne.edu>
	<1992Aug31.132620.7088@HQ.Ileaf.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.132620.7088@HQ.Ileaf.COM> raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Christopher Raczka) writes:

>       If it were not for Perry Watson going to UM as an Assistant
>       Webber, Rose and Howard would be playing somewhere else
>       and Fisher would be out of a job
>
>   chris
 
Whoa there!  Watson couldn't even get Webber to come to his high school, and I
strongly doubt that the likelihood of Watson's arrival from a Detroit high 
school was a big influence on Chicago boy Juwan.  What indication do you have
that these kids wouldn't have gone to U of M anyway?  The Wolverines haven't 
had trouble recruiting in the past.

Phil Beineke
U-M student using a Caltech account
beineke@ugcs.caltech.edu 
(or beineke@um.cc.umich.edu)
From: burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Livingston to LSU?
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:53:22 GMT

Today's paper also reports that Randy Livingston is expected
to commit to LSU next week.  His other top choices are Duke,
UNC, Michigan, and Kentucky.

Not to start a flame war or anything, but why would anyone
pass up playing in the ACC to play for Dale Brown?

--rb
From: db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Shaq's impact
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:26:38 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


A lot of talk lately about Shaq's contract and his impact on the
pro game. Here's a thought: As far as I go back in memory I cannot
think of a single player on that hype level that has NEVER helped
his team past the NCAA second round. LSU never strung two 
tournament victories in a row  during Shaq's days at LSU.
A few names come to mind when you talk hyped up college
players: Kareem, Walton, Ewing, Akeem, Sampson, Robinson...With the
exception of Robinson, all these guys carried their teams to the Final
Four.
Even Robinson lead Navy to the round of eight as a virtual one
man team. Shaq never even gotten close.

Give me one reason to believe that he will do for his pro
team what he couldn't do for his college.

Dov
-- 
An adult child of normal parents
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard:  taking money?
Keywords: Investigation to Michigan Basketball
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:46:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <SAj-aP-@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>It was reported last night that University of Michigan's
>Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, and Juwan Howard took money from
>an appearance they had made in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
>The amount was $300 by each individual, which according to
>the report was reimbursement funds for the appearance. The
>report I saw mentioned that this is within NCAA regulations,
>but other reports have mentioned that it is being looked
>at seriously by the NCAA and could result in a suspension
>for the three players.
>
>One other note: One of the reports I saw mentioned the
>thrid player was back-up center Eric Riley, and not
>Juwan Howard. I don't know which one it was....
>
>Anyone out there with more news on this?

They can't stand to see any of the indentured servants make a penny of
their hard work.  I can't believe they are going to spend a few G's
wasting time investigation possible one time violations on of few
hundred.  Oh, well they probably have nothing to do but sit around
and rake in all the fat checks.

>
>
>				Marty

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From: saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cream-puffiness
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:49:02 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <17u8ssINNl4q@cs.utexas.edu>,
wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes: 
> |
> |I'd always taken it for granted that Georgetown was the worst at this,
> |but I'd be willing to listen to arguments for other schools...
> |
> |^  Dr. J(effrey Neil Burch)                 jb118@prism.gatech.edu    ^
> 
> I think you have to consider Syracuse, too.  I'll have to get my old
> schedules to support the arguement, though.
> 
> Rick

For many years the 'Cuse has played creampuffs between the start of the
season and the commencement of the Big East trench wars.  But in 1988,
the year after they made it to the NCAA final, they played UNC in the 
tipoff classic.  The next year (I think) they played in the preseason 
NIT.  The last three years they've participated in the ACC-Big East 
challenge, playing Duke, NCState, and FSU.  Two years ago they played
in the Maui invitational, facing a tough Iowa State team, then Missouri.
Out-of-conference teams in the last five years have included Michigan,
Notre Damn (who they always seem to lose to), and Kentucky.  And out of 
all that preseason scheduling, the only game they lost was to UNC in the
'88 tipoff, in OT.  But you're absolutely correct, between the early
season quality games and the Big East, there are about ten games against
creampuffs.  They serve a purpose, definitely, but aren't as exciting as
the "better" games.  
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From: thmpsnmc@snoopy7.Berkeley.EDU (Milton C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Livingston to LSU?
Reply-To: thmpsnmc@snoopy7.Berkeley.EDU (Milton C. Thompson)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:45:31 GMT

The players from LSU that have been taken high in the draft would have been taken that high even if they had
played for the Sisters of the Poor.  They were all marked as NBA first rounders coming out of highschool.  Dale
did nothing to further their position other than providing a 30 game schedule of college games to show case
their talents.   Any improvement appears to be inspite of Dale not because of him.

			Craig Thompson
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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Christopher Raczka)
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Keywords: Big Ten Champs
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Christopher Raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:26:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.141416.12718@cs.wayne.edu> steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips) writes:
> Oh sure, it'll be easy for teams in the Big Ten to stop Michigan.
> All you have to do is figure out a way to stop Webber, and Rose, and
> King, and Howard, and somehow out-coach Steve Fisher.  An easy task.  Not.
> 


    If it were not for Perry Watson going to UM as an Assistant
    Webber, Rose and Howard would be playing somewhere else
    and Fisher would be out of a job

chris
-- 
    " Govern a great nation as you would cook a small fish
      Do not overdo it. "

     LAO-TZU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: LSU in the tourney (was: Shaq's impact)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  3 Sep 92 00:04:22 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:

>If I am not mistaken, LSU never went to the NCAA's when they had Pistol Pete.

I don't know when Pistol Pete went to LSU, but here's the information on
their tourney performance:

LSU went to the NCAAs in 1953(*) and 1954, well before Pistol Pete.  They 
didn't go again until 1979 and have gone every year since then, except 1982 
and 1983.

They went to the NIT in 1970 (I'd *guess* that Pistol Pete was a Senior
at that time).  There record in that tourney:

First Round:  Louisiana State            83 Georgetown                 82
Quarterfinal: Louisiana State            97 Oklahoma                   94
Semis:        Marquette                 101 Louisiana State            79
Third Place:  Army                       75 Louisiana State            68

They also went to the NIT in '82 and '83, losing in the first round both 
times.

All information (except for my guess about Pistol Pete) courtesy of 
James "Grizzly" Armstrong's database.

(*) You can ask Dr. J why Kentucky won the SEC Tourney title game over LSU
(by one point) in 1953, but didn't go to the NCAA tourney.
--

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard: taking money?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:50:49 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Keywords: Investigation to Michigan Basketball

> >Thank God it was just someone trying to strat something bad about them...
>
> oh yes!  thank heavans!  we all know that fichigan would never 
> do *anything* to break ANY ncaa rules don't we?
> yeah right, go ask the um baseball team about rules....
>
> >
>                                       Marty
>
> ::j

The baseball team was punished for what Bud did.....basketball hasn't
done anything wrong. So what's your point.....

					Marty

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:08:22 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Talley is back. He *thought* about transfering, but he did not...

McIver is also back to my knowledge, but Sam Mitchell *did*
transfer to Cleveland State.


				Marty

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: which award is college basketball's Heisman Trophy?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:23:13 CDT

In article <1992Sep2.200741.20539@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>There is a discussion in r.s.b.pro recently concerning college basketball's
>Player of the Year award. Which award is considered THE award?
>
>Case in point: 
>In 1983, Ralph Sampson won the POTY from AP, UPI, USBWA, NABC,
>Wooden, and Naismith, while Michael Jordan won the POTY from the Sporting
>News. Yet some people claim that Jordan is a two-time NCAA POTY, and Sampson
>is not even a two-time NCAA POTY.
>
>         AP      UPI     USBWA     NABC    Wooden   Naismith    TSN 
>
>81     Sampson  Sampson  Sampson  Ainge     Ainge    Sampson    Ainge
>82     Sampson  Sampson  Sampson  Sampson  Sampson   Sampson    Sampson
>83     Sampson  Sampson  Sampson  Sampson  Sampson   Sampson    Jordan
>84     Jordan   Jordan   Jordan   Jordan   Jordan    Jordan     Jordan
>
>I don't follow college basketball that much. Can the college folks shed
>some lights?

The answer is clear as the College Football National Champion.  Hah.

I think most people look at the AP/UPI in combination.  The Naismith award
seems to be the "official" one, but the Wooden is gaining respect.  The
NABC, USBWA, and the TSN aren't as highly regarded.  But, these player
awards are just too subjective.
-- 

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Bench Depth
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:01:35 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>Something to remember about depth is that old cliche: you can only put five
>guys on the floor at a time.  In other words, it's better to have 5 or 6 
>great players than 10 or 11 good players.  Jim Valvano said that depth is only
>important over the course of a season, not in any specific game.  He said this
>in predicting that Duke would beat Michigan, saying that Michigan's advantage
>in depth was insignificant in that one game.

	You're right here about one game -- but it is over an entire season
	that is the most important.  If your starters are worn out from
	so many minutes at the end of the season -- what good is it going
	to do U in the tournament?  If 10 or 11 good players can run down
	and wear out 5 to 6 great players, it may be effective.  (Witness
	the Olympics -- however, it's given that the 10 or 11 good players
	were GREAT players...)

>  Duke also has a recent history of giving most of its playing time to maybe
>six players (the 90-91 season being an exception).  But in later years, those
>five or six players who don't get that much time, or who are given limited
>roles, go on to become significant contributors.  Examples are Billy King,
>Kevin Strickland, Brian Davis and Antonio Lang.  So of next year's bench,
>expect one or two players (possibly Tony Moore or Kenny Blakeney) to really
>step up and do some important dirty work.

	It always seemed to me that playing time was usually pretty good
	for the bench on most of those Duke teams.  Except for fairly 
	recently, it always occured to me that Coach K used his bench
	quite often.  Anyways, looking at the player U listed that came
	on later in their careers to play considerable roles -- King,
	Strickland, Lang, and Davis -- 3 of those guys (King, Strickland,
	Lang) were big-time high school all-americans.  They played
	bit roles early on only because of the experience ahead of them.
	But when they had to play -- they made it count.  On this year's
	Duke team -- I could only see people like Parks or Blakeney really
	step up their games.  Someone like Marty Clark I don't see happening
	too much...

	Jazzy J
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From: steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Keywords: Big Ten Champs
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:42:12 GMT

Like I said before, it isn't inconceivable, just unlikely.  Remember, in the
game in Ann Arbor, Lenard did nothing, and Michigan was up by 51 points at the
half.  If anything, that game in Minnesota served as a wake-up call.

Can you tell me why Williams Arena looks so big on TV, and in reality is
a little ban-box?  When I went to the Final Four, they had a dunk-three point
exhibition there, and I thought I was in the wrong place.  I think the lighting
there makes it look absolutely cavernous on TV.

Everyone has off-games, but the really good teams have less than others.
I know more than most about their off games last year, and there were plenty of
them by a lot of players.  The tournament run that they had will help them
tremendously in this coming year.
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:41:47 GMT

In article <5598@igor.Rational.COM> msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>
>It's an insult to a great player that people keep this "Bird would have
>been a nobody if he wasn't white" crap going on.
>
>I look at it this way: if you had to show a 5 second clip to capture the
>essence of Bird, Magic, and Jordan the Jordan clip would be a slam,
>the Bird and Magic clips would be amazing no-look passes to teammates.
>And I think THAT says it all.
>
>	-MSM

Give me four clips to sum up Michael Jordan...

Clip one:  During a game at Utah, Jordan forces a switch to get Stockton on 
    him.  He gets the ball in the post and *BOOM* jams on him.  On his way 
    back up the court, a Utah fan is screaming at Jordan, "Why don't you pick 
    on somebody your own size!!!"  The next time down the court, Jordan dunks 
    on the Utah Jazz center, 7'0" Mel Turpin(?).

Clip two:  Jordan goes into the lane looking for a dunk during the Knicks-
    Bulls playoff series this year.  On his way up, Ewing and the X-man
    both come in to ruin his fun.  Xavier practically cross-body blocks him
    and Ewing is hanging on his arm.  Jordan can't finish the dunk but still
    manages to drop the ball in the bucket (YESSSSSSS, and it counts).  The
    play ends with Ewing and McDaniel both falling to the floor with Jordan
    standing over them shouting at them (obviously congratulating them for 
    such an effective defensive play ;^)

Clip three:  Patrick Ewing gets the ball in the low post (some time during 
    the mid-80's), turns around for one of his patented baseline jumpers, 
    and has Jordan throw his shot into the stands.

Clip four:  Game One, Championship series vs. the Blazers.  After making
    the fifth of his 5 3-pointers during the first half, while heading
    up the court Jordan looks at Magic, and simply shrugs his shoulders 
    suggesting the quote, "What can I say?"

Purely poetic.

Obviously everyone has their own opinion about who the greatest player is,
and my vote goes to Jordan.

As for quotes, how about these...

Bird, "Michael Jordan is God disguised as a basketball player."

Magic (in response to Arsenio Hall's question, "Who is the greatest 
basketball player you have ever seen?"):  "Michael, Michael, Michael."

IMHO, we won't EVER see another Michael, Larry, or Magic (just like we
haven't seen another Wilt, Kareem, Oscar R., Jerry W., etc...).

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Mike
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:50:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug26.153831.26828@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>have gotten a little hint of what Larry did on a regular basis in the 80's... A
>great in-your-face impossible shot that won a game on the line. Please don't
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually Venk, he was over the line, not on it , but I'm glad that you
to admit it wasn't a 3.    




Russ Smith
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