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From: lagrangj@unvax.union.edu (Joshua C. LaGrange)
Subject: Re: Which car rates "Most easily repaired"
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 06:45:37 GMT

bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey) writes:

>In article <1992Dec8.162718.734@hemlock.cray.com> dadams@cray.com writes:
>>	
>>
>>I have begun doing more and more of my own repairs lately, and as I
>>do so I inevitably find my self cussing at the scoundrel who designed
>>this part or that.  At times it seems like they design things with
>>the express purpose of making repairs difficult to do.  As a partial 
>>listing of repair designing sins I list:  forcing you to replace more 
>>than you really need to.  Making you remove and reinstall many exteraneous 
>>parts just to get at the one you need to repair.  Designing things so that 
>>
>		bitching 'bout poor engineering deleted
>>
>>---
>>--David C. Adams  Statistician  Cray Research Inc.  dadams@cray.com
>>___________________________________________________________________
>>       Old Sourdoughs never die.  They just ferment away.
>>
>>
>>
>Volkswagon Beetles, any year.
>		
>		Brian Barkey

Not quite any year.  Pre 75's though.  My '63 has: no power brakes, mechanical everything, no power steering, no fuel injection.  In general, I agree with
Brian.

















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My views don't always represent the views of Union College.

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From: msinerka@lesti.hut.fi (Marko Sinerkari)
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:30:00 GMT



	Remember the ClintEastwood-film "Pink Cadillac" ?
	The Caddy gets beat up quite badly, a '59 Convertible...
	BUT, in this movie they used a genuine '59 and then
	there was a fiberglass-one. All shots of the damaged
	Cadie are filmed using the fibie. Looks quite realistic,
	only the bodypanels seem to fall off a bit easily...

			.Marco

	
	
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Subject: Re: 1969 Ford T-Bird
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:55:54 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <JTCHEW-161292084631@b50-afrd4.lbl.gov> JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>> 	I am looking for a car to restore, in particular a 1969 Ford
>> Thunderbird, like the one in Thelma & Louise.  
>
>The Thelma and Louise car was something like a '64.  I think the 60-65 are
>all of similar character, though the styling is a bit different each year
>(consistently nice, IMHO, but always different).  By '69 the car was
>starting to pig up, though it hadn't yet reached the Lincolnesque stage of
>the mid-70s.  A '69 Bird looks vaguely like a Toronado of the same era.  
>
>The '64 would be more expensive than the '69, but is hardly a rarity. 
>Check Hemmings or the classifieds in a convenient big-city paper, or maybe
>one of those "Hoss Trader Clyde's" giveaway papers.  In the mid-80s, I had
>to pass up a fairly nice '69 offered to me for less than $1k and have
>kicked myself periodically ever since.  A convertible version of either one
>would be a lot more costly, of course.  
>
>Finally, pick your car carefully.  A powerful, sporty car like this is
>terribly vulnerable to being rednecked or teenaged.  However, if you cast
>your net widely and are willing to wait, you *can* find one that is
>decently priced and hasn't been thrashed.  


And then there are others who will say that the last real T-Bird was 1957.

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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Marcos??
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:34:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.185650.15476@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger) writes:
"
"Dear Netters (and old/vintage/collectable car nuts)..
"
"Does anyone remember the english car the "Marcos" from about
"the late '60s, early '70s?

i sure do -- i can even remember it appearing in a few british shows
of that period.

if you want more data on this or any other obscure car, check out the
larger libraries in your area for 'world cars' published annually
[until recently] by the italian automobile club.  tech blurb is short
but dense.

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From: dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell)
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Organization: Morning Star Technologies
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:24:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.142607.8179@athena.cs.uga.edu> tom@athena.cs.uga.edu (Tom Root) writes:

[Stuff about a 1969 Ford Thunderbird, like the one in Thelma & Louise
deleted.]

>movie car was a '66.   I'll bet it was a duplicate that went over the
>cliff... If you watch closely you'll see that the car was disintegrating
>as it went through the air.
>Tom Root

I've always wondered about what they use in a movie when a really nice
classic car gets destroyed.  Tom mentions a duplicate - is this a
mock-up that just looks like the real thing?  Do they ever really
destroy a classic just to make sure that the movie seems authentic?

-dean
From: kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael A Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: small block heads
Date: 17 Dec 1992 03:44:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael A Kreiberg)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-10.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Hi there,

I'm looking for a pair of small block chevy fuelie heads.
Either 1.94x1.5 or 2.02x1.6 the 461 or 462 casting with the 64cc  
combustion chambers.

	Thanks
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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Re: DONT FLAME ME< FUTURE ANTIQUE?
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:31:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.231722.7713@umbc3.umbc.edu> robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD)) writes:
>In article <Bz8EBx.55H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
>>mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>>
>>>Also what about the classic chances for the L6 and the 735i?  As you can tell
>>
>it could easily go up in value.
>
>In the early 1960s, a Model A Ford sedan was far less sought after than a
>rumble-seat coupe or roadster (and it still is), but there are PLENTY of
>people kicking themselves in the butt for not picking up that sedan that
>they "coulda gotten one for a song back then."  Some sedans have brought pretty
>impressive prices over the years and, because so many of them were parted
>out to keep coupes and roadsters going, certain sedan models (like the
>slant-windshield 1931 fordor) have become hard to come by.
>
This is exactly the same fate of 4 door '55-57 Chevys throughout the '80s.
Only in the past year or two have I seen any interest in restoring and
showing 4 doors, instead of using them as rolling parts inventories. 
No doubt due to the relative economics of buying 4 doors vs. 2 doors.
Noone bothered with 4 doors until the supply vs. demand of 2 doors started
pushing the purchase price out of reach.

>More recently (and more personally) I bought a '55 Porsche 356 Cabriolet
>about ten years ago.  It wasn't a Speedster -- the most desireable of the
>lot -- and some of the folks told me I'd made a mistake by buying it.  The
>last offer that I turned down for it was over 14 times what I paid for it
>back then.  Sure, if it had been a Speedster it would probably be worth
>30 times what I paid for it, but I couldn't afford a speedster then (and
>DAMNED sure can't now!).  I can't afford the Cabriolet now, either, but I
>*have* it. :)
>
Can you say "return on investment"? 
>Don't judge tomorrow by today . . . judge it by yesterday.
>
Excellent advice.

>Bill Robie (Historian)
>
>

 
Ted Brooks
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| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
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|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
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From: george@mech.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:29:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.antique
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Mechanical Engineering

any ferarri aficionados know the story of ferris buehlers car?  
I kind of suspect that they use a replica car throught the movie,
but still..that last schene is worse than seeing kevin costners 
wolf get killed..:(

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From: jnissen@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Mercedes overheating
Originator: jnissen@jnissen.austin.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:43:53 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division


In article <1992Dec16.205546.1566@nwnexus.WA.COM>, gordon@halcyon.com (Gordon Baldwin) writes:
> I have a '66 Mercedes 200D that is having some thermal problems and I
> wonder if anyone out there can shed some light on the subject. Here is
> the senario: The car usually runs at right about 180 deg F and it has
> the overheat redline at 250 deg F. When I take off when it is cold the
> temp gauge runs up to anywhere from just over 180 to the redline, then
> drops down to normal operating temperature. While it is hot is blows
> coolant out the overpressre valve. I replaced the thermostat, and it
> helped for about a month, but now it is doing it again. It seems to be
> better if I make sure to fill the coolant every time before I take off.
> I suspect I got a bad thermostat, but at $40 a pop I am a little
> reluctant to start swapping thermostats. Once it is up to operating
> temperature it seems to be just fine. Is it possible to run this car
> without a thermostat? I am tempted to try this to see if it still blows
> coolant.
> 
> Gordon Baldwin
> gordon@halcyon.com

Gordon, how cold is it in your area?  Are you adding anti-freeze to the water	
you add to the radiator?  I had a strange problem once where the coolant (water	
only) would boil and create steam.  The motor overheated, then after a minute
or two it would go back to a normal operation.  I added anti freeze and the 
problem went away.  

If the water in the block froze, the same situation could be affecting you.
The ice/slush in the block could take a few minutes to melt before it is able to 
flow around.  I have often heard of vehicles overheating if the coolant was
frozen. 

Third thing to check is the radiator cap.  A faulty cap can cause strange 
problems like this.

Good Luck ...
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From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: small block heads
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:24:58 GMT
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1got29INNr83@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael A Kreiberg) writes:
> Hi there,
> 
> I'm looking for a pair of small block chevy fuelie heads.
> Either 1.94x1.5 or 2.02x1.6 the 461 or 462 casting with the 64cc  
> combustion chambers.
> 
> 	Thanks

I saw an add in my P.A.W. catalog for fuelie heads.

I don't have the catalog here with me but as I remember the add said

restorers dream: 461 and 462 casting camel hump fuelie heads with
202/160 valve 64cc etc.

I can't remember how much they are but it wouldn't hurt you to give them
a call.

                      
                                          
                     
                     |                    
                     | David Gunsul       
                     | dcg@mogun.uucp      
                     |------------------------------------------------
                     |  It's amazing what $2,500 worth of big block
                     |  will do to $60,000 worth of high technology.
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Movie Cars
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:00:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Merv) writes:
>I know this always gets run into the ground but the Charger scene
>was a travesty of justice.  Even if they didn't really blow up the
>car in the climax of the chase, they managed to beat the piss out
>of it during the chase.

True, but the '68 Charger was hardly considered an antique or a
classic when "Bullit" was filmed (1972?).  It would be like trashing
an '89 Mustang GT in a movie today.  The movie producers are hardly
concerned with the future potential for collectability.  Now, had
the producers of "Tucker" actually wrecked one of the 48 surviving
Tuckers, rather than a modified '50 Studebaker...

Mr. Bill
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From: KAPLAN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Avanti
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:30:48 EST

In article <1992Dec16.184607.15286@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger) writes:
 
>was a very advanced body design. The body was made from fiberglass,
>the engine transmission and suspension came from the Studebaker Hawk,
>or Golden Hawk.
 
     289 cid V8 with 0 (model R1), 1 (model R2), or 2 (model R3)
     superchargers. Many R1s and R2s, 5 (I think) R3s made
 
>Lowe was a noted industrial designer of the time.. he was often hired
>The car as designed by Lowe was a two door, which gives a clue as to
>what you saw....
>
>With the demise of Studebaker in 1964, the Avanti body molds were sold
>to a private company, who continued production of the car. I'm not
>sure what driveline the first ones from this company used.. but I do
>know that later, around the early '70s.. they used a Corvette driveline.
 
 Chevy smallblocks since the beginning: 327, then 350, then 400, then 350
 again, and later 305 HO and 350 yet again.  My '77 has a 350 L48.
 
>As far as I know, the company is still in business. The 4 door is obviously
>a modification of Lowes design. The early interior was advanced for it's
>time.. I believe the standard was a vinyl interior, but there may have
>been a leather option. I do know the private company did offer custom
>interiors, such as suede..
 
  The interior was designed to look like an airplane cockpit.  Instruments
  in a hooded cluster in front of the driver (white on black SW circular).
  Heater and Air controls like throttle levers on the front of the console.
  Light and heater blower switches overhead on the front of the headliner.
  My '77 has Italian ash console and instrument panel, Oyster grey leather
  with light blue Elk suede inserts in the door and back seat side panels.
  Everything is leather inside (headliner, sun visors, back deck, etc.
  except for the dash, which is grey vinyl. (And the rugs, of course,
  which are light blue wool shag.) A Nardi wood and aluminum steering
  wheel was installed as a factory option - but almost anything could be
  had as an option.
 
>They weren't noted for handling.. most of the suspension was stock
>Studebaker, and tires of the era weren't all that hot, but the car was,
>and still is a headturner.
 
Handling is not so bad, even though there is a 60/40 front weight bias.
It has real hefty anti-sway bars front and rear, trailing link rear suspension
and 6 inch wheels I have fitted with Pirelli P5s (as on recent Jags).
It won't win any road races against my '71 240Z, but it gets around
corners with a minimum of fuss.
 
>Sort of an interesting car, that I suspect has not really become a big
>collectable. Will have to check Hemmings Motor News and see.
 
 Not a big collectible?  Tell that to the Avanti Owners Association
 International (AOAI). Mine will go for about $20k (High class 2 car -
 93% to 97% in SDC/AOAI meets).  Don't ask, I'm not selling.  Ever.
 
                     ...Reid Kaplan
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From: dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger)
Subject: Re: Avanti
Reply-To: dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:46:07 GMT

The original Studebaker Avanti was introduced about 1961 or so..

It was designed by Raymond Lowe (spelling?), and at the time
was a very advanced body design. The body was made from fiberglass,
the engine transmission and suspension came from the Studebaker Hawk,
or Golden Hawk.

Lowe was a noted industrial designer of the time.. he was often hired
by large companies to do design for them (notable was the phone
company [there was only ONE at the time] - he designed many of what
are now considered "classic" designs in phone.. many of which are still
in production today).

The car as designed by Lowe was a two door, which gives a clue as to
what you saw....

With the demise of Studebaker in 1964, the Avanti body molds were sold
to a private company, who continued production of the car. I'm not
sure what driveline the first ones from this company used.. but I do
know that later, around the early '70s.. they used a Corvette driveline.

As far as I know, the company is still in business. The 4 door is obviously
a modification of Lowes design. The early interior was advanced for it's
time.. I believe the standard was a vinyl interior, but there may have
been a leather option. I do know the private company did offer custom
interiors, such as suede..

Back around 1970 or so, I passed up one of the original ones used. If
I remember right, it used the Hawk V8 with a supercharger. The guy who
had it wanted about $2,000 for it.. which at the time was a bit too much.
They weren't noted for handling.. most of the suspension was stock
Studebaker, and tires of the era weren't all that hot, but the car was,
and still is a headturner.

The original Studebaker models had Studebaker on the rear tail, the
private company just called them Avanti, and later Avanti II.

Sort of an interesting car, that I suspect has not really become a big
collectable. Will have to check Hemmings Motor News and see.

Don Eilenberger (dje@mail.bellcore.com)
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From: kbr@cbnews.cb.att.com (kenneth.b.reber)
Subject: Re: Movie Cars
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:23:36 GMT

In article <8958@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> stnd@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Scott N. Dickson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.192410.15986@MorningStar.Com> dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.142607.8179@athena.cs.uga.edu> tom@athena.cs.uga.edu (Tom Root) writes:
>>I've always wondered about what they use in a movie when a really nice
>>classic car gets destroyed.  Tom mentions a duplicate - is this a
>>mock-up that just looks like the real thing?  Do they ever really

Parts of the movie "Mischief" was filmed behind my house (for those that know
the movie, the chicken crash episod and the covered bridge scene).
Two cars were used extensively - '53 Chevy 4 dr and '55 Chevy Belair
Conver't.  They had 6 of each.  It was tough to see the 55 Chevy get
torn up in the crash.  They were not "restored" but just "fixed" for
the camera - lots of bondo, ripples, paint looked it painted with a
sweeper sprayer attachment, interiors painted to match - but still they
ran and were complete.  They later sold in the parking lot of the
hotel where the movie crew stayed. Three of the each were a little
smashed. The highest price - $750 for a reasonably straight 55.  They
didn't want to haul them back to Calif. (they had hauled the here and
had a little trouble, here is Ohio)

Ken
From: bcw2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN CHESTER WISNESKI)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: RE:changing axles
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:33:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

This is a mighty task if you have the wrong type of car.  Depending on the
type of car you have, changing the splines may not be enough.  On some cars,
to change from 4 to 5 lug is easy.  You can just change the axles and the
rearend along with the front hubs.  Otherwise you must find out the difference
in suspension between the 6-cylinder 4 lug, and the 8-cylinder 5 lug.  There
is a possibility you must change the whole pumpkin and springs along with the
axles and include a heavier rearend.  In the front you may have to change the
swaybar and the ball joints depending on the car.  Some cars used heavier
suspensions for 8-cylinders.  It will depend on your car, and really the only
way to find these things out is to read literature.  If you have a Mustang
then I could help you out.  Otherwise good luck!


                                                
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From: hennie@datatek.csir.co.za (Hennie Rautenbach)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Date: 17 Dec 1992 06:55:49 GMT
Organization: CSIR Information Services
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X-Disclaimer: The opinions expressed below are purely personal
X-Disclaimer: and in no way represent the official view of CSIR.

Hi

>Since the final scene in Thelma and Louise was shown in slow motion, I
>suspect they needed a better car, but they had no reason to trash the
>concours car used for the close ups.  They probably used the same car
>for the final scene that they used for the stunts.

Thelma and Louise really showed off the 66 T-Bird very well. I'm sure that 
they had one or more exact replacements in the event that the car was 
envolved in an accident during the shooting of the movie. 

I remember seeing a documentary about the making of "Christine". Don't know
how many of you have seen it. Based upon a book of Stephen King, its all 
about a 1958 Plymouth Fury. In this documentary they had more than 10 -can't 
remember the exact number- Fury's restored to concours condition just so 
that they can trash all of them in different scenes. Pity :-( Made for good 
viewing though. 

Makes me wonder about the Caddy in "Coupe de Ville". Did they actually put
time aside to repair it during the shooting of the movie, or did they have a 
replacement that just wheeled into its place after it was involved in an 
accident ?

Hennie Rautenbach
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