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From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: need phone # for R.C. Steele
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:37:00 GMT

can someone please e-mail it to me?
I have lost my catalogue and I need to buy a new flexi-leash...
thanks in advance
Penn and the wrinklemutt
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From: jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris)
Subject: Re: Need Info - Husky Seizures\
Reply-To: jegm@esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:59:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.110209.8954@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.) writes:
|> > 
|> > My 2-year old Siberian Husky has suffered what appears to be
|> > an epileptic seizure. It's possible that a collapse previously
|> > attributed to heat exhaustion may also have been a seizure, for
|> > a total of two in the last 6 months.
|> > 

I have heard that the monthly heart worm pills (HeartGard?) can cause seizures
in some breeds of dogs. Did the seizures occur close to the time the dog had
its monthly heartworm pill? Just a thought.

-- 
Jim Morris, Email: jegm@esd.sgi.com  Voice: (415) 390-5136
From: steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves (Was: loose dogs)
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:07:35 GMT

>>   :-)
> You'll hjave to admit, an Akita isn't as common as some dogs.  My GOLDEN
> RETRIEVER gets that very often when we are at the vet.  He's a nice golden,
> very close to his conformation championship, but because he has such a big
> head people often think that he is a mix between something and a St. Bernard!
> 
> I know how you feel!  I usually nicely say, "He's a purebred SHOW golden
> retriever."  Don't want them to think he's just a bad specimen of the breed!
> 
> Kim

I, too, have a golden.  You'd be surprised at the number of people that ask if
she's a Lab.
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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Stupid Dog-conclusion
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:47:03 GMT

In article <BvEp2C.2qJ@news.udel.edu> thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
>
>THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!  (to all the husky owners
>who let me know I am not alone)
>
>You would not believe how many people told me that my dog was bad and
>needed obedience school (even though she already had it) or that she
>thought she was Alpha (I think my husband makes it quite clear to her
>who Alpha is!).  
>
>I'm glad to know she is not the only husky with an attitude!!
>

	Which is not meant to say that you should accept her behavior
as "just the way she is."  Not coming when she is called is a serious
problem!  Perhaps some of the other husky owners can reccomend some
exercises to help with this.  And, just because she's been to obedience
class doesn't mean that the task is over.  Until she meets the goals you
set for her, she's not done being trained -- even if that means she needs
to go through basic obedience several times before she gets it straight.

	Note, I am not trying to imply that your dog is stupid -- that's
not what I mean at all -- rather that with a dog with an attitude (and I
have a lab with an attitude (-problem! :), you need to work harder to meet
those goals!

	Good luck!

--lizalee

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Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Someone please help me...my best friend is hurt!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:14:34 GMT

	Followup to previous post re Veterinary Orthopedic Surgeons:

	The American College of Veterinary Surgeons is located
	in Maryland, phone number 301-718-6504.

	Another possible source is the Small Animal Clinic
	at Cornell University, phone 607-253-3060, Ithaca, NY.

	For possible spinal problems, you want a Board-Certified
	Orthopedic Surgeon who specializes in back/spine matters.
	My SF Bay Area specialist recommended the above as places
	to seek out qualified practitioners.

-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
Tom R. Rice   WB6BYH                   Holler Observatory - 
tomrice@netcom.com                     Longitude:  121 d  30 m  20 s W 
CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Showing and Obedience Classes thoughts...
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:23:37 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

First of all, thank you all very much, those of you who replied to my posting
about my first show! I had no idea I'd get such support when I posted that
message, it's great! Now after all this, wouldn't it be funny if I don't make
it into the limited entry :*) ...oh, but think how prepaired I would be for
the NEXT show :)

I also wanted to comment on the obedience classes issue. I didn't mean to
give the impression that I think they are ALL horrible...it was good to hear
about some of the ones that are properly run, with any luck I will be able to
do something along those lines one day! I'm sure there are some very good
private trainers to be found even where I live, and there is the wonderful
lady who runs the Junior Kennel Club obedience classes. The sad fact remains
though that most people who don't want to spend  much money and don't know
any better end up in these obedience classes from hell, and end up totally
discouraged :(

As far as group classes for socialization, oh yes! If I didn't have a better
option I would be signing up for these classes still, simply to work my dog
around 60 untrained-but-on-leash dogs :) I would even recommend the obedience
classes from hell to others if they couldn't find a good training club...it's
definitely worth the $15 to use the class for socialization, as long as you
don't expect to learn anything by going there.


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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:24:53 GMT

Marsha Jo Hannah writes:
> In San Mateo County, CA, the "animal impoundment" contract, and the
> "county shelter" contract are both held by the Peninsula Humane
> Society.

Thanks for the info.

Please note it's consistent with what I wrote:

>> If the humane society has a shelter, it's usually
>> restricted from taking in strays.

I expect the Peninsula Humane Society provides services beyond what an
pound or even a city shelter might provide; is that the case?

> From other of your postings, I get the impression that the shelter you
> work at is a fairly good one.

Correct.  And well put.  San Francisco SPCA, for instance, I think
does a better job than we do.  And there are others that do less well,
as you note:

> Not every locality is so blessed.

Of course, the reasons for this vary.

> In fact, some of us are cursed with multi-purpose
> "humane societies" that indirectly use taxpayers' and
> pet-owners' money to support their blatant Animal Rights campaigns.

If so, I'm sorry.

However, the fact that they accept tax money doesn't necessarily mean
it's subsidizing anything.  I take it the city contracts with the
society for animal control services and shelter operations?  Is that
how it works?  And is it possible the campaigns are supported by other
funding?a

> Would-be contributors to any of these types of organizations are
> strongly urged to look beyond the name, to find out what they are
> actually supporting.

I agree.  In fact, I'll go one further: get involved with your local
organizations.  Spend the time with them find out what they do
precisely and firsthand.  Choose which you will support.  Then stay
involved with those, spend your time as well as money with them.

-- Jon
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Problem with butterflies.....
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:49:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.182947.24522@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.133032.9581@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley) writes:
>
>>My best advice is "have fun!"  My Newfoundland, Sophie, did
>>HORRIBLY at her first obedience trial, ...
>
>>You could hear the moans from people around the ring who probably
>>felt embarassed for me.  At the end of the heel off leash she was
>>so far away from me (mind you, "I" never missed a step and did
>>just what the judge said to do!), that I looked at her, she looked
>>at me and I said "Would you like to join me, dear?" People went hysterical!
>>And of course she trotted over with tail held high!!
>
>>For the recall, I called her once (nothing) twice (nothing) and then
>>got on my knees, spread my arms and said "Sophie, PLEASE come!"  THEN
>>of course she trotted right to me, amidst a thunder of applause.
>
>Heeheehee...Reminds me of a Dobe I saw a couple of years ago.  Now, this
>was just a small match, and he was only in Pre-Novice, but still...It
>was a hot, sunny day, and I guess he was really feeling the heat, what
>with that black coat.  So, when it came time for the long down, he lasted
>maybe a minute before sprawling out on his side.  Another minute or so,
>and he stre-e-e-etched and rolled over on his back into the classic "dead
>dog" position, with all 4 paws in the air.  Pretty soon, he rolled over
>and stretched out on the other side...
>
>Of course, his owner was getting more and more agitated every time he
>changed position.  By the time it was over, she was talking about giving
>him away...at least, till I tried to take her up on it.  (Aside from
>being a gorgeous dog, with excellent bloodlines, who had finished first
>just a couple of weeks before at a Dobe Specialty, he was born the same
>day as Magnum.  I would have taken him in a second!)  Some people just
>have no sense of humor! :-)

Boy, you guys sure have a different world view from mine.  That stuff
feels like the most public kind of humiliation to me.  Which is half
the reason my dog never got a CD.  I LOATHE going into the ring.  (The
other half is I'm too cheap to keep forking over those $15s.....)

What could be more fun -- spend $15 (or a lot more) to be publicly
humiliated for 5 minutes.

I mean, I don't spend $15 for 5 minutes of ANYTHING, and to spend it
to feel awful for a day or two as a result of 5 TERRIBLE minutes?????

No.

I hope this doesn't sound like a criticism of people who like to show;
I don't mean it that way at all.  Some of my best friends show....  ;-)

Just presenting an alternate view of the whole subject.
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: kimbertal dobermans
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:25:55 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Sep28.134703.16277@worldbank.org>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
Keywords: 

>In article <92269.182548CR7709A@auvm.american.edu> Christine R.
>Rasmussen, CR7709A@auvm.american.edu writes:
>>Does anyone know anything about the Kimbertal Kennel?  I have read their
>>advertisements in the back of DogWorld and was highly impressed with
>their
>>guaratees.  I'm going to write them a letter, but in the mean time, does
>>anyone have anything to say about them?  How much are their dogs - show

No doubt you'll hear this from others on the net, but Kimbertal is nothing but
a very expensive puppy mill for Dobermans & Rottweilers. They have been around
for at least 20 years that I know of, but are interested in only one thing:
making mega bucks from selling "protection" dogs to the unsuspecting public.
Although AKC registered, their dogs do not compete in AKC conformation events
because they do not meet the standard for the breed in appearance or
temperament. Investigate this outfit thoroughly before investing any money.
The charge a significant amount for their dogs, and I've never heard any
one say that the extra money was worth it!
*******************************
Marget Johnson

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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Someone please help me...my best friend is hurt!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:46:12 GMT

drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:

>In article <1992Sep25.170857.17418@worldbank.org>
>aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>>I am at a total loss on what to do with my male, 13 yr old
>>dobie "Major".  About a year and a half ago, he started losing


	This does indeed sound like a pinched spinal cord.  I had
	a min poodle/chihuahua mix with a similar problem.  A 
	local dog-specialist orthopedic surgeon performed a fenestration,
	which opens up the apertures in the disks, just like is done
	with humans, and the little guy was a whole new dog after
	ten days in the hospital.  We had gotten all sorts of rotten
	advice from stupid vets ("confine him in a tight cage" was
	one recommendation).  But we found the right guy, at last.

	He's a graduate of the American College of Veterinary Surgeons
	and that just might be the place to inquire.  If you were here
	in the SF Bay area, I'd recommend the guy instantly.  If you
	want to e-mail me (I don't get to this newsgroup very often),
	I'll be happy to call him up for a referral or advice on
	whom to contact.  

	trr
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Tom R. Rice   WB6BYH                   Holler Observatory - 
tomrice@netcom.com                     Longitude:  121 d  30 m  20 s W 
CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Someone please help me...my best friend is hurt!
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:50:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Sep25.170857.17418@worldbank.org>
aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>I am at a total loss on what to do with my male, 13 yr old
>dobie "Major".  About a year and a half ago, he started losing
>all the strength in his rear legs.  He doesn't seem to be in
>any pain, but I must carry him up and down the stairs since
>he can't make it up anymore and I'm worried he might hurt
>himself going down.  We have had several tests done on Major.
>Including x-rays, blood samples and sonograms.

One morning more than two and a half years ago, Wurzi came out of the bedroom
dragging herself on her front feet and whining (just a little). We took her to
the vet, who referred us to a doggie radiologist. X-rays' showed nothing, so he
did a myelogram. This means that he injected radioactive fluid into the spinal
column and phototgraphed it. 

He found a ruptured disk that was compressing the spinal cord. His partner, the
practice's surgeon, operated the next day and relieved the pressure.
Unfortunately, during the month of recovery, Wurzi lost enough muscle mass that
her dysplastic hips became a problem. She was able to walk again for a while,
then she could only walk if one of us held a towel under her belly to help
support her rear end. She also started to suffer from deterioration of the
spinal nerves, which reduced her control.

It's now been over a year since Wurzi walked at all. I have to carry her
outside to relieve herself several times a day and carry her around inside the
house to follow us. She is also unable to express her bladder or bowels - I
have become expert in applying pressure to empty them. Bedsores are a problem -
we tried a dog waterbed we got from Omaha Vaccine, but the seams kept leaking
after a few months' use. She now sleeps on an orthopedic foam dog bed which we
also got from Omaha Vaccine. We have to bring water and her meals to her and
hold her while she eats and drinks. Fleas are also a problem - she can't
scratch herself, so we have to keep her (and her brother, Tex) free of
parasites. This means poisoning the yard with Dursban granules every so often
and baths and dipping with a pyrethrin-based shampoo and dip. Also, her reduced
activity meant switching her to a reduced-protein dog food (Science Diet
Senior) to reduce the amount of work her kidneys have to do. Even so, every few
weeks she starts to pass blood in her urine and requires antibiotics for a
couple of days to get her back to normal.

In spite of all this, Wurzi is still a happy girl and doesn't seem to be in any
pain. It's a lot of work, but even if your best friend gets worse, it's
possible to keep him with you for a long time. 

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A Brief Bird-dog Brag
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:15:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Sep28.180444.21704@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>Sorsby'd Kiss Me Kate qualified twice more in the AKC Hunting Tests
>for Pointing Dogs at the Central New Mexico Brittany Club Tests on
>26 & 27 September.  Kate is four for four and needs one more
>qualification for her Senior Hunter title.
>
>
>Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
>	  crs@lanl.gov

Bravo, Bravo, WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!

Congrats to you two and good luck on the last one!!!!

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Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF -- tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  4 mo. sable and white collie
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:52:46 EDT
From: Christine R. Rasmussen <CR7709A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: great dane temperment

In my throrough search for a suitable large dog for my household, I am
now looking for information about great danes.  Although I know some
about them, I'm wondering about their temperment and their breed cgaracteristic
s.  Are they good with children?  How much do they eat?  How do they react to
new people?  Do they bark when someone is at the door?  I live in Washington,
D.C., does anyone know of a good breeder of great danes?  I'm looking for a
show quality large male dog.  I'm considering quite a few breeds and I want
to hear about them from the people who own them/know them before I buy.
How much exersize do they need? How bad is the drooling situation?
Thanks....
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:57:52 GMT
Reply-To: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I'm putting on my flame suit :)
I find the "what breed is that" or getting insulted by having your breed
mis-guessed to be a little on the pompous- side. I understand all the
reasons
 for having breeds which have certain temperaments etc.  But...
 I can't tell you the number of times I've been asked "What breed is
that" ANSWER: None, many
There is some sense in the conversation that to not be a recognized
breed makes my dog less. I don't think it's just me.  Why would anyone
be offended that someone thought there dog was some other breed? I'm
guilty of this too when people inquire about our Am. Esk. "Is that a
spitz?"  I'm trying to overcome this.
  My Favorite:    Question: What breed is that?
		  Answer: It's an (Some far away country) (shepard,hound,
mastiff)
  I used to answer that my dog was a Latvian Tervuren and the inquirer
would usually be impressed.
 Bill (fire away)
From: ann@plx.com (Ann Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Greyhound Obedience Training
Keywords: n
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:34:40 GMT
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

I have been doing some casual research on racing greyhounds, and one of the
"facts" that the rescue dog owners have mentioned more than once is that 
sitting is very uncomfortable for the dogs due to the exagerated muscles in
their hind quarters and or the relative length and position of their front
legs.  The trainer I know who has worked with rescued racers says she doesn't
bug the dogs with sit, but makes sure they will do a down, and a stand/stay.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Re: Obedience Classes was Motivational Methods
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:00:39 GMT

  I use food to train new exercises to reduce stress.
Once the exercise is understood the food is given less
and less.  I compete in obedience trials and have not
had any problems with the dogs demanding food or
refusing to work(5 CDs - 2 CDX legs).  The best way to
give food is first verbal praise then touch then the
food.  You want to be the primary motivator.
 
good luck............Pamela & the happy pack
In article <1992Oct1.144908.22513@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke) writes:
 
>
>Several people haave commented on dog training classes and the quality
>thereof.
>	We have two Border Collies (BC's), Buster and Jake.  Buster is
>about four, and we are about his fourth set of people.  Jake is two,
>but only has three legs (He tried to herd a car one day).  I mention
>these to show that each of our dogs has unique problems.
>	We enrolled the dogs in obedience classes at the Durham
>Kennal Club, and the resulting change in behavior is incredible.
>The classes are rather expensive ($60/dog), but there are only about ten
>dogs in each class, and the instructors (3) take time to work with
>each handler indvidualy.
>	My only qualm is that they are encouraging us to use food as
>a training aid, which seems wrong to me.  If you're bribing your dog to
>behave, what happens when the dog isn't hungry?	
>
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>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Why not post pictures?
Date: 25 Sep 92 12:33:35 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <19skvmINN4rv@news.aero.org> macheske@aero.org (Richard M.
Macheske) writes:
>Everyone on this group seems to brag ALOT about their dogs, and
>rightly so.  Why don't you post a picture of your pride and joy.
>I'd really like to get some pictures of all the great dogs out 
>there in netland.  

RicK: I am a barely literate net user (ie. I can read news and post news...
usually.) How would I "post" a picture/photo? I do have access to a scanner,
if it is involved in the process. And how would I "see" your dog's photo, if
you sent it to me? 

Thanks for help furthering my education. If I learn enough, maybe I can get a
REAL job someday! :-)

Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs
e-mail to marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM
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