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From: aa716@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Fields)
Subject: Re: Clients crummy TVs
Reply-To: aa716@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Fields)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 02:28:14 GMT


In a previous article, bladin@wam.umd.edu (Dave Bittner & Ilana J. Getz) say:

>	Well, the TV was a huge console from the early seventies, complete
>with vacuum tubes. The VCR was also an early model, and it had clearly
>seen better days.

After 15 years of bringing tapes to clients homes, i'd have to say this is
more the rule than the exception.  I've sat in horror as old, worn-out
VCR's literally chewed a wedding to pieces.  I've watched tapes on
everything from 13 inch black and white TV's to front projection systems 
from the early 80's.

I think the sad truth is most people don't care about quality.  We read
this group, scan the magazines and buy the latest equipment, but most
people run into Kmart and buy $187.00 Symphonic VCR's and hope to keep them
for ten years.  Their TV's are Zenith consoles from the late 70's.

My clientele are among Cleveland's wealthiest.  There homes are
magnificent, sprawling mansions.  

And their VCR's are crap.
From: carr@esl.com (Erik Ramberg)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Need Help on Equipment...etc.
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:04:38 GMT
Organization: esl

In article <1992Aug7.053625.16632@news.columbia.edu>, cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang) writes:
> 
> Hi, folks!  I'm a totally clueless new reader of this newsgroup.  I
> need some help about video production....  I'd really appreciate any
> help I can get!
> 
> I heard that one can do editing and what not using the Mac as a platform.
> Is this true?  What kind of equipment will I need to make this possible
> -- aside from the Mac?

 As of now their are many platforms for video production on the mac.
A disdclaimer here in that I haven't used any of the mentioned systems,
but rather I am currently investigating which direction I want to take.

One system, called the Video Machine (from FAST Electronics 508-655-3278
, is like the video toaster, in that it
does real time video production.  This requires that you have at least one
VCR with a time based corrector, if you want to do animation, and more if
you want to combine animation and video input.  If you only care about
fades/effects and titles, then the TBC is not as important unless complicated
edit sequences are performed.

The better route is to get a system that digitizes the input video, stores the
compressed version on the hard disk, and allows you to later edit, add special
effects, animations, etc., and then output to tape.  This setup requires only one
VCR but a lot of disk space (~200 MB / hour of raw tape).  This route is MUCH more
flexible than the previous method, and you can import any other mac pictures, QuickTime
movies, morph clips, etc. that you want.  Just have a big hard drive (at least 500+MB).

Their are many systems for doing this, and several of them are very new.  Radius has
the VideoVision board (no hardware compression yet), SuperMac has the DigitalFilm
board, New Video of Santa Monica has the EyeQue DVI board, Avid has a high end system
(I don't know how much better than the aforementioned boards), and there are two
HDTV systems (yes the mac is the first digital HDTV editing system, and in fact several
full-length boradcast movies have already been produced using the mac system.) but
I've forgotten who makes those systems.

I'd appreciate any comments from you or anybody else if they have tried any of these
systems, though they are all brand new.

    -Erik
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Video insert editing w/ Hi-8?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:53:32 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)



	Huh?   You say SONY doesn't have a deck that does insert editing?
	Hmmmm...  I must be dreaming.

	I have a SONY Hi8 deck that does perfect insert editing...
	I use it everyday....   

	But I'm going to keep it a secret from everyone....  I'm
	not saying the model.
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	Just kidding.....  :-)

	Check out the EVO-9650.

	BTW  How is the V-Deck for insert.... anyone know?

	-Mike-
From: sweiner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (-- Scott! --)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Wanted: Basic 8MM Camera
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:53:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego


      Hello There! I've currently got an S-VHS Panasonic that I love
to use, but I'd like a small 8 mm camcorder just to play around
with. Does anyone have a compact 8 mm camcorder, preferably a Sony
TR-series, that they'd part with for $300.00?         


   Thanks, Scott

Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: bladin@wam.umd.edu (Ilana J. Getz)
Subject: Re: Video insert editing w/ Hi-8?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:40:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.221404.6037@i88.isc.com> katzung@i88.isc.com (Brian Katzung) writes:
>I had read in a magazine article that Hi-8 didn't have a separate
>linear control track, and assumed that the increased difficulty
>in keeping synchronized with the existing track is what made insert
>capabilities relatively less common than on (S)VHS, at least for
>the less expensive units.
>
>Yes?  No?  Maybe?

Yes. About a year ago I talked to a Sony tech. who verified this. Hi8
has no true control track. The recent professional Hi8 decks have an insert
feature, due to refinements in the transports.

Dave Bittner -  Steadicam JR dealer - Mac User - Rollerblader -
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Video insert editing w/ Hi-8?
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:43:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.004905.25939@muddcs.claremont.edu>
nrossi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Nick Rossi) writes:
>
>I recently read a brief reference about something do to with the fact that
>you can't do video insert edits with Hi-8 editing systems.  What's the scoop
>on this?  If I spend a thou or two on an EV-S3000 (or EV-S900) and a
>controller, I won't be able to make my music videos with video inserts?
>Can I do it if I go with S-VHS and buy a SLV-R5 to go with my Yashica KDH-170
>Hi-8 camcorder?  This particular issue seems like a big deal... I'm surprised
>I only saw it mentioned once.
>
>Nick
>
It seems like not too many people do this.  This is the only type of editting I
do and its frustrating that Sony will not release a Hi8 deck with video insert.
 Their EVO9700 dual-deck can do it but its a bit pricy.  I bought a R5 SVHS
deck for now and use my Hi8 camcorder (v101) as the source.  Works good, but I
really need a controller.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 21 Aug 1992 22:24:18 CDT
From: Tom Ascher <U15310@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: INEXPENSIVE SUB-TITLES?

I'm new to this newsgroup so not familiar with previous posts.  I'm
interested in a device that would let me create sub-titles for laserdisc
operas that are lacking sub-titles.  I'd prefer a device that would allow
me to do it in real time...just store maybe a couple of hundred sub-titles
in order, then mix them in as I'm watching the laserdisc.   Another option
would be to mix them onto s-vhs tape as I'm transfering from laserdisc,
then play back the tape with the opera and sub-title combined.  Is
there something I could use for only a couple of hundred dollars?  Or,
are we talking big bucks for something like this?

Since I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup, I'd prefer if you
could email me your recommendations.  Thanks!

Tom Ascher - University of Illinois at Chicago
Phone: (312) 413-3665
email: (U15310@UICVM.uic.edu) or  (UICVM.uic.edu!U15310)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 09:09:27 MST
From: <ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Clients crummy TVs

Generally, if you are polite and ask, and then treat it like a "freebie," you
can tweak clients' tvs.  (Then again, I'm known to do this to freinds' tvs
WITHOUT asking.)  "Gee, I didn't know the tv could look so good!"  "Yeah, it's
this knob here..."
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: tlai@cs.toronto.edu (Tony Wen Hsun Lai)
Subject: Re: m-ii vs. betacam
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: rec
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:21:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.2860.1039@dosgate> "alan kennedy" <alan.kennedy@canrem.com> writes:
>Also, Panasonic introduced yet another standard last year M-III. It is a
>very good alternate to other D2 formats. It was used by many at the
>Olympics.

I think the standard is called D3, not M-III.  It's a 1/2" digital
composite format.

Tony Lai
From: kyeoh@andromeda.EBay.Sun.COM (kahkee yeoh)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Converting videosignals : PAL <--> NTSC
Keywords: videosignals conversion
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:53:13 GMT
Reply-To: kyeoh@andromeda.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: andromeda.ebay.sun.com

John Ritz of jrtz@dali.cc.rochester.edu asked:

>I was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a company that
>makes a box that will convert an incoming NTSC videosignal to a 
>PAL videosignal ( both 50Hz and 60Hz ) , converting a PAL 60Hz

Yes.  I bought an NTSC to PAL box in Singapore for U$110 which happened to be
an analog version. It converts color only not scan rate.  On the standard PAL TV,
the picture looks squashed.  On the multi-sync or multi-format TV under
PAL 3.58Mhz, the aspect ration is then correct.

By the way the box looked like a clone.  I later found out many new VCRs there
comes in with such converter built in so that they could play NTSC LD from US.

I was told Sharp has a digital model around $600.  NO idea what it was.
From: brucer@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bruce Rayner)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Using Ear/headphones with camcorder RCA audio jacks.
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:36:38 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <9208190841.aa10741@CCAC1.PICA.ARMY.MIL> rdemarti@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Ralph DeMartino, CCAC-LAD) writes:
>Subject:  RCA audio to headphones for camera
>
>Michael Regoli asks:
>>I've got a question:  Can you get simple audio out of the camcorder by
>>converting one of the audio-out RCA jack to a miniplug?  I've got both
>>a left and a right audio out (stereo), but thought how convenient it
>>would be to convert the female RCA jack to a female mini-plug jack.
>
>Yes, but the volume would be too low to be of any worth.
>You really have to boost the signal with a small audio amp.
>





DAK has a small amp in a nice package in their latest catalog.  Small,
AA batteries, $30.  Takes mic level in, comes with earphones.  Just what
you need.


Bruce


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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Sony SLV-R5U Owners... Help me!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:39:59 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.141911.15495@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>
>so is it more important to have the source deck be more accurate?

Most definitely!

>This is
>interesting and will probably affect my next purchase.  I plan on keeping my R5
>as the record deck because the 1960 doesn't seem to have video insert.

Although I use the R5 as the record deck, I'm almost positive the 1960
has video insert also.

>How's the accuracy on your system?

I can generally get +/- 1 or 2 frames without time code, which is good
enough for me.
From: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: cheep tvs with svhs p
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:20:37 EST
Reply-To: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
PH>The lowest price I have seen for a 20" S-Video
PH>(Model CF2077A) was about $325 (I paid more... oh well).
PH>500 lines, comb filter, and universal remote.
PH>Great picture -- looks better (nicer colors and finer picture)
PH>than the 26".  But I think it is worth an extra hundred dollars
PH>or two to get the 27".

Just a comment:
I bought the 21" Panasonic Prism TV with a S/video connector.
Great unit. Great picture. Great commercial skip feature (except
that on the 21" model, the commercial skip only goes up to 90 secs)
I'm now thinking about getting a bigger TV, because the way I think
of it is that in going from 21" to 29", the picture area of a letterboxed
laserdisk will be as tall as and wider than the full size of my 
current 21" TV, even though the 29" has the letterbox bars...

(hope that kinda makes sense...)
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From: jwu@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (John T. Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Wrong VHS Tape Speed
Keywords: ep vs sp
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:43:18 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02115

I'm new to this group and have enjoyed what I've seen so far.
Good work.

Question:  I recently recorded a tv program with my hitachi
vcr using the timer.  When I tried to watch what I had recorded
the player automatically switches from ep to sp and all I see
is the equivalent of fast forward scan (e.g. fast picture
and no audio).  I have tried everything I can think of to 
fix it including recording a brief segment at the beginning
in ep mode to force the rest of the tape to ep.  Doing this
I get a shaky, but normal speed picture, but no audio.

Does anyone know why this happens?  More importantly, anyone
have any ideas on how to fix it?

The vcr seems to work fine otherwise.

John
From: jrtz@dali.cc.rochester.edu (John Ritz)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Converting videosignals : PAL <--> NTSC ( Questions )
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:02:09 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a company that
makes a box that will convert an incoming NTSC videosignal to a 
PAL videosignal ( both 50Hz and 60Hz ) , converting a PAL 60Hz 
videosignal to a PAL 50Hz videosignal e.t.c. Don't bother to reply
about VCR's that can play NTSC on PAL TV. I know all about that.
I'm looking for an external box or apparature that can convert
the videosignals from the VCR's.

Thx !
From: madhu@sybase.com (G.S. Madhusudan)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: PROSCAN 6500K setting
Date: 11 Aug 92 02:34:04 GMT
Reply-To: madhu@sybase.com (G.S. Madhusudan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

I know some of the Proscan 27in models can be adjusted to have a
colour temp. of 6500K. But can anybody confirm whether the 27111
model has this capability ? If it has this capability, is the
setting thru an on-screen menu ( not likely ) or thru an internal
switch. The sales rep was sure some of the models had the capability
but he was not sure which models had them.

Also any other info about the 6500K setup would be welcome.
( One of the earlier issues of the TPV had a review on this
model but I am not able to track it down ).


I guess e-mail replies would be better. If a lot of people are
interested I can post a summary.

Thanks,
madhu
From: jywong@sybase.com (John Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: S-video?
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:21:10 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Speaking of S-video, can it be said that S-video, in EP mode, records
_better_ than EP mode from a standard VHS recorder?  In particular,
if one records television broadcasts?  Of course, everything else
would be equal (i.e. the quality of the tape are the same for SVHS and
VHS).

I'm trying to determine if it is worth getting a SVHS machine where
my main use would be for storing television shows (no camcorder..yet).

thanks all,
john.
From: kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Good experience buying big TV mail-order
Date: 18 Aug 1992 20:11:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.usc.edu


I want to plug Power Video of Stafford TX.  I wanted to buy a JVC AV3171S 31"
direct view TV, but the local Silo and Circuit City wanted $1149 plus tax and
wouldn't budge on the price.  I called around and got a price of $899 from 
Power Video.  I was concerned about shipping such a large item, but they said
the $95 shipping charge included insurance and guaranteed delivery in 7-10
working days.  5 working days later it was delivered to my home without a 
scratch.  Altogether, I saved about $230 over a local purchase.  Needless to
say, I am VERY satisfied with the product and the service.
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From: brucer@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bruce Rayner)
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.production
Subject: Radio Shack 8mm C'corder batteries on sale\
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:43:24 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA


$14.95 in their latest flyer. 1500mah.  This is a good deal.
I have one and it lasts as long as the Millenium or other
similar sized battery.

BR
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: S-video?
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:15:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University


     What exactly does S-video do?  I connected my LD player via
S-video to my receiver and the same to the TV set; and I do not
see any difference.  What exactly does spending so much extra in 
the lines do?  Please reply by email.  Thanks...
   
                                               -TKH '92
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: lien@eecs.nwu.edu (Shu-Ching Lien)
Subject: Help--I want to buy a VCR
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:16:35 GMT

Hello there,
    I plane to buy a VCR and I would like to choose one out of the following
three:
	(1) Sony SLV-595HF
	(2) Sony SLV-696HF
	(3) GO Video GV2020X
    I would also like to know which mail order dealer should I call to get
a great deal.
    Any suggestions are appreciated.
Shu-Ching Lien
lien@eecs.nwu.edu
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Sony V99 clone for sale
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:15:45 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System


	Hi8mm CamCorder for sale

			Yashica KD-H130u (Sony CCD-V99 Clone)
			-------------------------------------
ZOOM			8:1
AUDIO			AFM HiFi Mono (Not Stereo)
FOCUS			TTL (This is the older slow system)
PROGRAM EXPOSURE	NO
MANUAL IRIS		YES (Solves the backlite subject problem)
SUPERIMPOSE TITLES	YES
FADER			YES (In and Out)
HIGH SPEED SHUTTER	YES (100/250/1000/2000/4000/10000)
LANC EDIT PREROLL	NO
FRAME RC RECORD		NO
FRAME RC PLAYBACK	NO
STEADYSHOT		NO
SENSOR GAIN UP		YES (For low light)

This is a great CamCorder for someone who knows what they are doing and want a 
unit that can record Hi8mm tapes.  I would not recommend it for the causal 
point and shoot user because of the slow and jittery nature of the older style 
Through The Lens (TTL) focus system.  This CamCorder is very good in low light 
with its sensor gain up feature.

Price $375 (firm) - shipped in original carton with all the original 
accessories.  Frankly I used my TR81/101 Camcorders far more often than I did 
this one.  As a result it has less than 130 hours of usage time on it.  It also 
did not travel.  Payment required before shipping.

Send mail to: killeen@einser.decus.org
From: kaplanr@knish.shearson.com (Roger Kaplan)
Subject: Re: LD vs Broadcast TV
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:48:11 GMT

>>When watching cable through the cable box (for encoded channels such as
>>HBO) there is a severe decrease in quality associated with using the cable
>>box. However, watching some unencoded channels directly off the cable
>>(local Boston stations such as WCVB, as well as remote stations such as
>>TBS, TWC, WPIX) usually are excellent quality in both resolution and S/N.

This is not true in New York.  Running the cable directly into the TV
creates terrible interference on broadcast channels.  Reason?  The 
TV is receiving two signals: one thru the cable and one over the air.
Since the cable signal has travelled a longer path than the line-of-sight
broadcast signal, the two are out of phase.
The closer you are to the World Trade Center (where all the local
channels have their antennae) the worse the problem.
Manhattan Cable deals with this by using double-insulated RG-6 cable 
and splicing the line as little as possible.  They even request that 
you let them hook up your VCR so they can use RG-6.  Most supplied
cables are RG-59, which isn't as well-insulated.


Also, the cable box acts as an amp, so unless you compensate with another
amp, the signal is noticeably weaker if it is run directly into the sets.
The cable co. is expecting the amp in the box, and weakens the signal accordingly.




>I have noticed that recently some of my more recent video disks, while
>very low in noise level, appear to have lower resolution.   Can't tell
>for sure without a test pattern, but detail seems to be missing.
>Things look too smooth - as if they were bandwidth limited more than
>some of my older disks.

I have noticed this as well, though only on titles which are also
available on VHS, and for which a special LD version (like LBX) is
not available.  Special LBX disks, and 1-hour music features put
out by LD-only companies have the best picture.

Could the inferior resolution have something to do with LD being made
with a master that was intended to be used only for VHS???

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