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From: djstanle@napier.uwaterloo.ca (david stanley)
Subject: Book opinions
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:46:16 GMT

I'm just trying to get a few new illusion ideas for a show and I was wondering
if anybody had read "Device & Illusion" by Jim Steinmeyer.  Apparently,
Steinmeyer has designed illusions for many reputible performers but are the
illusions in the book any good.  Granted at $35 price tag I can't see there
being too many startling revations or new ideas inside, but does anyone have
an opinion on the book.  If you have read the book, could you possibly post
a short description of how each of the 9 "new" illusions appear to the audience
& if you think the effect is worth while(and the book as a whole for that
matter).

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

David

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:28:44 GMT

In article <1dl1v6INNni6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>  Gritz evidently made some comment identifying the         
>international bankers behind this NWO conspiracy, many of   
>which happen to be Jewish. This enabled those who don't want
>the NWO exposed for what it is and who is behind it, to use 
>his comments as a way to discredit him.                     

If Bo isn't anti-Semitic, then what possible reason would he have
for identifying these "international bankers behind this NWO
conspiracy" as Jewish?  What possible reason would he have if
not to suggest a link?  Eagerly awaiting your response.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole)
Subject: Re: Is Internationalism bad PER SE?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:58:54 GMT

Well, who insists that a communist china or cuba, or a Qaddafi-led Libya, or 
any other such nation would ever BE a part of a world government?  I see the 
most likely means towards a world government as the increasing influence of 
large groupings such as the EEC or even the US and their inclusion of other 
states based not on the simplistic goal of global government, but on common 
goals and principles. Over the long haul, it is clear that the most stable form
of government is a (small l) libertarian federal republic. (AKA American 
Democracy) Ours has remained for over 200 years with a single brief 
interruption. You will be hard pressed to find any other government in modern 
history that has lasted as long. I suspect that as we see places like China and
Cuba go the way of Eastern Europe, the prospects for an eventual world 
government will grow, if only because the US will lose the only remaining 
avowed enemy in this hemisphere, and the UN will lose the last autopcratic vote
in the permanent members of the security council.  I think the arguemnt that 
there ARE vcases like polluion where one region needs a say in the behavior of
another is the best case for worlkd government. Smog doesn't go thru customns.
Macroeconomic effects have proven to also make national borders meaningless 
(don't listen to Ronnie and George. the USSR owes it's death to simple 
economic pressures that go far beyond military spending) A lot of the hassles 
we see now in relations between the major democratic and capitalist nations are
pure effects of nationalism and the comncept of total sovereignty. Those are 
emotional factors that we cannot let rule the fate of the race. (THE 
race....not differentiated by color, creed, or language)
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From: 6489mcadamsj@vms.csd.mu.edu (John McAdams)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: JFK and BUSH
Date: 14 Nov 1992 21:58:52 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <1992Nov13.135221.6046@morwyn.uucp>, forrie@morwyn.uucp 
    (Forrest Aldrich) writes:
>
>That was a great article... but:  what is it doing posted in 
>ALT.ALIEN.VISITORS ???
>	^^^^^

Maybe that tells you something, Forrest, about the sort of people into JFK
conspiracy theory.

I might have taken it seriously, except that I occasionally ran across
absurd misstatements of fact.  For example, that Nixon was going to run
against Kennedy in 1964.  Actually, his loss of the governors race in
California in 1962 was thought to have finished him politically.  Obviously
*he* hadn't given up.  But nobody thought of a Nixon candidacy in 1964.

Or the assertion that JFK learned about the Bay of Pigs a few hours before
it began.  In fact, his cabinet had discussed it quite far in advance.

Since most of the American public doesn't know the trivial details of who
was where on which day 30 years ago, it's possible to make absurd assertions
and get away with it.

.John McAdams
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.legal
From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: USA President's power to pardon
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:14:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.222130.7451@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
:In article <1992Nov10.004206.20529@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
:>It's what Bush is going to use to set Wienberger free.
:>
:>Convienient, isn't it?
:
:I have been wondering.  What if Bush used his power to grant
:HIMSELF a pardon.  Could he do this and would it hold up ?
:It seems to me that if Ford could grant Nixon a pardon for 
 
This question came up during Watergate. What if Nixon had pardoned
himself? As I recall, there was much discussion about it and the consensus
was that doing so might have provoked a Constitutional crisis. I don't
recall that it was answered satisfactorily.
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cray2@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Donald Knuth)
Subject: WARNING to all fellow suckers!! (plot??)
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Distribution: alt.conspiracy
Date:  3 Nov 92 20:51:31 GMT



Hello!

When travelling from Washington/Dulles I was approached by a 'gentlemen'
in a dark suit and an 'official-looking' badge identifying him as a volunteer
for the MISS (Muslim International Student something...) He showed me some
photocopies of pictures and news-articles of how children were being
tortured in Iran and asked me if I wanted to participate in their effort
to do something about these atrocities (sp?). I didn't want to say no,
and before I knew it I was filling in my name and address onto a sheet
with fellow contributers/suckers. Of course there was a 'one-time-
monitary-participation' involved (I found this out >after< filling out the
boxes on the form) and upon glancing over all the other contributors
before me, I saw contributions of $40, $30 and the such. So I felt really
bad (why?????) when I told him I could only afford to give $4.

After the incidence,(my mind was back in 'D') I felt that there was
something strange about this whole thing. To make a long story short, they
'beefed' up all contributional-amounts by adding a digit or so to the end 
(My contribution was suddenly $40) Boy, did I feel stupid! I was just
wondering if this was soley to make people/suckers give more or if there is
another purpose behind this (eg. money-laundering or so)

Mr. Stupid

P.S. I heard they were doing the same thing at JFK...
P.S.S. I was not stupid enough to give them my real name/address :)

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Unmarked Black Aircraft Sightings
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 01:02:56 GMT

solomon@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu (Orson Scott) writes:

>Recently, in the state of Michigan, there have been numerous sightings
>of unmarked black helicopters flying manuvers. They have been spotted
>over Selfridge Airforce Base and in the Camp Grayling area. We believe
>this is part of a multinational peace keeping force which is training
>on american soil. Currently, we are trying to locate the home base for
>these aircraft. If you have personally sighted any unmarked black
>aircraft please send me mail immediately. 

...
>I have never been a person to believe in conspiracys but I believe that
>there is a sizeable build up of foreign/international troops on our
>soil. I am not sure what it is all about but I believe we should find
>out. I have called my congressman and am going to take a trip out to
>Selfridge Airforce Base today. Until we find out who is controlling
>these troops none of use should sleep easy. 


Sounds like MIBs. You can get all relevant information on MIB (Men In
Black) from any UFO-conspiracy buff.

MD
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From: jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: CIA/Peace Corps
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:35:19 GMT
Reply-To: jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske)
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI


I would like information on the following topic:
Connection between the CIA and the Peace Corps.
Anyone who has any information on the linkage betwwen these organizations,
I would greatly appreciate any info (or for that matter intelligent
speculation)
Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for your
info.
E-mail me if you can. 
Thanks again,
JP Wieske
jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
From: froh@boi.hp.com (Robert Frohwerk)
Subject: Re: Inslaw software theft
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:24:49 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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	That address is:
		Project Censored
		P.O.Box 310
		Cotati, CA 94931

	Also available are subscriptions to:
	       	_America's_Censored_Newsletter_
	a monthly (10 or 11 per year) for about $30.

-- Bob 

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.legal
Subject: Re: USA President's power to pardon
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:42:06 GMT
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Nov9.022427.13618@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
|> According to Article II, Section 2, paragraph 1 of the Constitution of
|> the United States of America, "the president ... shall have power to
|> grant ... pardons".
|> 
|> What's the justification for this power? Should the USA Constitution be
|> amended to rescind this power?

There is none.  I think the founding fathers thought the
president was going to be more like a monarch.

It's what Bush is going to use to set Wienberger free.

Convienient, isn't it?

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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Censoring John Dinardo Violates Constitutional Law
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:24:53 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov6.005159.8542@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:

>>Hmmm, If I might ask, how does this person who was removed have a right
>>to be on the net? I think that net access is privileged and therefore
>>does not fall under the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

>He has the right to

>	(a)	due process,
>	(b)	the identity of his accusers,
>	(c)	the substance of their complaints,
>	(d)	the delineation of how he is misusing resources, IE, how
>		his patterns of use differ from other employees' patterns,
>		and the quantifiable consequences of this pattern of use,
>		IE, was he meeting his production goals or clogging up
>		network bandwidth ?

Rich, I have a copy of the constitution on line.  If you want I'll
send it to you.  Rights A & B are there but only apply to proceedings
by the government.  C is a bit garbled, but if it does come under the
Constitution then that also only applies to government.  D is not in
the Constitution.

>If it can't be quantified, then it's subjective and subject to being
>challenged.

>In court, if necessary.

I'd love to see a court case where an employee demands net access from
his employer.  It would be good for a laugh.
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark gilstrap)
Subject: Executive Orders
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:58:49 GMT

	Could someone please explain the use of Executive Orders to
	implement policy that has not been approved by Congress, or 
	more importantly, policy that is in opposition to congressional
	action or contrary to the outcome of a vote on an issue?

	It appears that Clinton is going to make wholesale use of 
	Executive Orders. [One of the executive orders I am familiar
	with is the one used by Reagan to fire all striking PATCO
	air traffic controllers. (This was via an executive order of 
	Pres Kennedy). It is the precedent for the State of Indiana
	taking away my right to strike as well.]

	Specifically, is there any connection to emergency powers
	declarations dating back to at least Nixon (to Kennedy and
	Johnson, I've heard) - emergency powers which have never been 
	cancelled.

	Is there a limit to the scope of Executive Orders? Is there 
	a difference between the scope when emergency powers are in
	effect and when they are not?

	My fear is that, in an effort to correct perceived (or created)
	problems in as			  <qualifys for conspiracy^^^^>
			^
	quick a manner as possible, some further rights and freedoms
	will go out with the washwater.
From: lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Curcio)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.space
Subject: Re: NASA Coverup
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:56:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wezIP2200WB209l3BQ
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Further Edvidence: I dropped a hammer and a feather and they hit the
ground at *DIFFERENT* times! :)
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Is Internationalism bad PER SE?
Date: 4 Nov 92 07:06:15 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <Bx5MEE.BJG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole) writes:
>I am NOT asking if 
>the reputed plan of any single group or groups for such a government is good or
>bad, but whether there is any reason to fear ANY world government.

  Yes, because when you are dealing with a balcanized world, no matter how bad
things are in one place the option to run away always exist.

-bertil-
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.space
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: NASA Coverup
Keywords: Gravity discussions
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:49:19 GMT

In article <4592@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>
>   Dillon Pyron writes:
>  > To  the point.  Your calculations assume that the earth and moon have the
>  > same density, and that it is homogenous.
>
>   Which body does your pronoun "it" refer to ?  My  calculations are  taken
>   right  out  of  Abell's  pre- Apollo  astronomy  text "Exploration of the
>   Universe" (Holt Reinhart, 1964) and Beiser's "Physics" (Cummings) ,1973.
>
>   Beiser states , on page 118 , "A spherical object behaves  gravitationally
>   as  if  it's  mass  were concentrated at it's center" . He also states,on
>   page 119, that  the  earth's  gravitational  pull  on  an  object  varies
>   inversely  with the square of it's distance FROM THE CENTER OF THE EARTH.
>   I also assume that a similar rule applies to the moon.

It doesn't even apply to the Earth. One of the things learned from early
satellite launches is that the Earth, and to an even greater extent the
Moon, have what are called mascons, mass concentrations. These are unevenly
distributed areas of higher density inside the body. Beiser's assumption
holds up as a close approximation when the two bodies are far enough 
apart that their radius is an insignificant part of their separation
distance, say Earth-Sun distance. But they fail miserably when the
separation is less than a few body radiuses. The mascons will warp the
orbit of the satellite a measurable amount. That's what the Magellan
space probe is doing right now, a gravity map of Venus using the perturbations
of the satellite's orbit as it passes over varying density material in
the planet below. The existance of tides is a direct result of the effect
of differentials in gravitational potential across the diameter of a 
body. Using Beiser's simplifing assumption, there could be no tides on
Earth. Since we can easily observe that there are, his assumption is
invalid for bodies as close together as the Earth and the Moon.

The other assumption Beiser uses is that of spherical objects. Neither
the Earth nor the Moon are spheres. The Earth is an oblate spheriod, and
the Moon is somewhat pear shaped with the greatest mass on the side facing 
Earth. This is again significant when the separation distance is a few 
planetary radiuses.

The most damning evidence against your theory that the Moon has a 
gravity of .6 G is that we know the orbital period of the Moon to
a great accuracy, and we know the mass of the Earth and the distance
to the Moon. With those three numbers, we can calculate exactly how
much centrifigual force is in the system, and thus how much gravitational
force is required to counterbalance it. So if the Moon stays in orbit,
and it does, we can state it's gravitational pull to a high degree of
accuracy.

Gary

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From: lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Summary: BOYCOTT AT&T
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:14:03 GMT
Reply-To: lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us


> I CHASE) writes:
> have the image of somebody who would employ people with certain
> opinions.  That's their right (however misguided we think that
> decision is).
> 
> Common carrier rules for free expression simply do not apply in this
> situation.
You're right of course, and since AT&T refuses (as is it's right) to
allow the expression of diverse political opinions by it's employees
and exercises censorship in opposition to the American democratic
spirit and USENET policy I urge a boycott of AT&T in whatever ways 
possible...forbid their recruiting on college and university campuses
that support free speech (that should fly quite well here in
California), report the story in telecommunications and computer 
courses (as I will here locally in the classes where I guest lecture),
use alternate carriers where possible...I cannot in good conscience recommend
to my customers or students that they patronize or work for AT&T.
  Just my opinion of course, ;@}, and I'm just VERY SMALL potatoes 
(note spelling) but I encourage others to do the same...

*****These ARE the opinions of my employer, I'm my own boss.******


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From: delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Scott C DeLancey)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Peace Corps / CIA
Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:28:47 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: na
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In article <3434@carroll1.cc.edu> jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske) writes:
>Does anybody have any information on a possible Peace Corps and CIA connection?
>My friends claim the Peace Corps is merely a front for the CIA.
>Please e-mail me or post to this newsgroup.
>
Well, I was in the Peace Corps, in Thailand 1973-75, probably a time and
place that U.S. intelligence might have had some interest in.
Absolutely no sign of any intelligence involvment in the organization
that I could see; certainly no one ever asked me for any info or
anything.  This is not to say that the CIA might not occasionally use PC
as a cover -- that's a much harder proposition to disprove -- but
certainly when I was there the organization as such wasn't doing
intelligence.

Scott DeLancey
delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy