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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.142109.12601@advtech.uswest.com>
msb@tyler ( Mark Blumhardt) writes:
 
>>More likely:
>>
>>Alabama loses to Tennesse
>>Miami loses to Syracuse( They have good field goal kickers!)
>>Washington loses to Michigan in Rose Bowl
>>
>>Then Michigan will be national champion.  Go Syracuse!  Go Tennessee!
>>Go Blue!
>
>And when Colorado is undefeated, they aren't even considered?
>Still, go Syracuse, Tennessee and Michigan.
>
 
Or Texas A&M.  Sorry, unless someone knocks off the undefeateds (all
of them), then Michigan just can't win it.
 
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From: ds4@soc12.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Whining (Re: ACC officiating (long))
Keywords: Honor, Dignity, Penalty?,
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:18:36 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Oct8.150302.27406@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
|> 
|> please spare us your whining shit!@ declare a forfiet?!@ OH PLEASE!
|> 
|> Im glad Erickson has more dignity and sportsmanship than you, you 
|> pathetic whiner. newsflash: YOU WON. STOP BITCHING.

Thanks for sharing your most brilliant comment with us.  If more people were like
you, this would be a happy, let's-get-along news group.  That is really good of
you not to act like a little baby when some makes a well thought out observation.

-ds4
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bspink@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bonnie B Spink)
Subject: Re: Ohio State game thoughts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:45:13 GMT

In article <DOEL.92Oct12124419@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Mic
hael Doel) writes:
>
>Well, the Buckeyes managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on
>Saturday against the Illini.  This was truly a heartbreaking loss since it
>seemed that the Buckeyes outplayed Illinois for most of the game.  Two
>fumbles by Eddie George on the goalline resulted in a 21 point swing which
>proved too much to overcome.

I heard a rumor that John Cooper does not believe in full contact practices.
It makes one wonder if this could be a cause for a freshman to loose a
football.  I believe the defensive hits come with more intensity as the
offense approaches the end zone.....

>
>Some impressions:
>
>1. Although we lost, I was much happier with the effort I saw this weekend.

With Ohio State in last place (behind Northwestern) in the BigTen...well,
I can't find any kind of solace from the Illini game...

>
>2. The boo-birds were out at the end of the game again...
>...I don't think anyone can fault the effort or heart of
>the team on Saturday.  The crowd's (unfortunately predictable) response can
>only hurt this team even more.
>

The way I understand it, the fans cheered the players as they left for
the locker room.  When coach Cooper came by, the boos were very, very
evident.  During the game, the scoreboard advertised for the John Cooper
show to be aired the following day.  The Boos became quite evident at
that time as well.

IMO the budget cuts at the university has made it tough for Jones, et al
to deal with the losing dilemma (ie remove Cooper).  Can we afford to
buyout the contract?  ;)


Well, I say enough is enough.   Bring on Randy and company!
From: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Aggie News and schedule strength
 Keywords:
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:32:12 GMT
Reply-To: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

I've been hanging around reading this newsgroup for a while, and I finally decided to 
try a post. To all you people who think A&M has a schedule that is A LOT easier than all the other top 10 teams, let's look at Michigan's. The highest ranked team they will play all year is Notre Dame and they didn't even beat them. At least A&M has played someone in the top 10 and won (Stanford). Michigan hasn't and probably won't. They've got powerhouses like Indiana left to play and they've beaten Iowa, Houston, Michigan St. , etc. (none of which are highly ranked). 
 
Miami and Penn St. probably have the toughest schedules. Washington's is pretty weak too.

AGGIE UPDATE: RC Slocum has stated that he will give Pullig or Preston some time at QB this week against Rice, no matter what the score. I'm looking forward to it. If the Ags could find a reliable QB they'd be tough to beat.


GIG 'EM AGGIES
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:59:53 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <cam.718915801@milton> cam@milton.u.washington.edu (Cameron Ritchie) writes:

| Miami doesn't lose to Arizona in Miami by the score of 7-8, and 
| (rightly, IMHO) gets dropped in the polls.  (BTW, for all you folk
| who keep saying the UW-Cal score was 7-7 at the half, wasn't Miami
| *losing* to Arizona at the half? A football game lasts 60 minutes.)
| UW, on the other hand, beats top-25 Cal by 19, and also gets dropped
| from the #1 spot.  So, just how many points does UW have to win
| by to overcome the bias towards east coast teams?  100? 1000?

 Washington only beat USC, by 7 points (17-10).   Is that extra 6 points
 over Miami's win ( over Arizona ) any big deal.   I don't think so.

After last year tie NC, Miami said they would play in a 1992 Kick-Off game,
if and only if they played Washington.

Washington voted  not to play in any Kick-Off game.  The Huskies said that
it would not decided the 1991 Co-NC, and that they would lose more seniors
than Miami.

Well it sure would have decided this years debate, on who is #1.  

             No guts No Glory.  Miami is #1.
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:52:25 GMT

lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:

>THe bottom line is the w-l record.  IMHO Alabama, Colorado, A&M, Miami,
>and Washington can all lay legitimate claims to #1.  Washington and
>Miami shouldn't be the only two teams being considered.    

What's this?  A blowhard sounding reasonable!  Boy that Hurricane Andrew
really must have messed with the drinking water...

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From: johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Big 8 Review(10-13-92)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:23:42 GMT


   Thu(10-8)
   CU @ MU		6-0 CU

   ****
   Colorado 6	Missouri 0

   It was a very windy and wet night in Columbia.  As defenses were
   aided by the weather.  The field didn't seem to be a factor.  CU
   kicked one FG in each half.

let me first state that i am a buffs fan.  that given, i thought the game
wasn't quite as close as the score indicated in terms of who controlled the
momentum and the line of scrimmage.  in addition to colorado's two made fgs,
they missed two others from makeable range, suffered an interception in the
end zone into the wind, and went for it on 4th and 1 on the mizzou 20 in the
second half when they probably should have kicked the extra field goal.  and
the defense did a very good job of shutting the tigers' o down.

still missouri played tough, and had a couple of opportunities of their own.
cu's figures intercepted mitchell(ithink) in the end zone once, and mizzou
missed a fg of their own.  at any point, one big play would have given them
the lead.  with 4:30 to go, they had their big chance when an mu lb picked
off stewart and ran the ball back to the cu 35.  unfortunately for the
tigers, they couldn't handle the snap on the following play, cu recovered
the fumble, and ran most of the rest of the time off the clock.


   No stats.

kordell stewart again threw for over 300 yards, but (as i think was reported
by scott) he will miss the next four weeks on the injured list.


   TV games are CST.
   PrimeNetwork....B8 games at midnight Sat and 6pm Sunday.  All 8
	   coaches show starting at 3pm Wed.

   Sat(10-17)
	   OU @ CU

this game will be shown at 6:30 on espn

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From: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:23:08 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Keywords: #1 Huskies Vs. #2 Wolverines in the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Originator: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Oct12.035211.18113@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
> In article <92537@netnews.upenn.edu> taoc@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao) writes:
> >Here's the AP Top 25 teams with records through Oct. 11.
> >
> >                   Record
> > 1. Washington      5-0-0
> > 2. Miami, Fla      5-0-0
> > 3. Michigan        4-0-1
> > 4. Alabama         6-0-0
> > 5. Texas A&M       5-0-0
> > 6. Florida St.     5-1-0
> > 7. Colorado        5-0-0
> > 8. Stanford        5-1-0
> > 9. Penn St.        5-1-
> >10. Georgia         5-1-0
> >11. Nebraska        4-1-0
> >12. Notre Dame      4-1-1
> >13. Tennessee       5-1-0
> >14. Syracuse        4-1-0
> >15. Mississippi St. 4-1-0
> >16. Georgia Tech    4-1-0
> >17. Virginia        5-1-0
> >18. Southern Cal    2-1-1
> >19. Clemson         3-2-0
> >20. Boston College  4-0-1
> >21. N. Carolina St. 5-2-0
> >22. Washington St.  5-0-0
> >23. Florida         2-2-0
> >24. West Virginia   3-0-2
> >25. Kansas          4-1-0
> >
> >
> >My God.  There is *JUSTICE*.  I don't think Miami deserves to be #1 this year.
> >Miami wins simply because of sheer lucks (wow, how come so many guys missed
> >so much field goals against Miami?)
> >
> >And playing high school girl football teams most of the time and sneak by
> >two top 10 teams by sheer luck DO NOT qualify as #1!
> >
> 
> On the other hand, if playing school girl football teams ALL the time
> will qualify as #1?!?
> 
> You cannot call Miami's wins as lucky... winner is always the better team.
> If Miami's opponents have problem scoring, that's the greatness of Miami's
> defense!
> 
> The double standard is obvious here.. If UW had done the same, PAC10 weenies
> will be crying how great the UW defense is.. but when Miami does it (remember
> blocked field goal and another one hurried against penn state ) it's the
> fault of the kicking team!
> 
> Using similar argument, it was USC's offense which lost the game against
> UW ( the last sec int in the endzone ). What does that say about UW being #1?
> 

	Interception by the Defense at the end of the USC-UW game is not 
luck.  It is DEFENSE!  Missing field goals against Miami is luck, pure luck!

- Chung Yang
> BTW, in the CNN/coaches poll, Miami is #1. Now the weenies will start
> crying how bad CNN/coaches poll is (ECCB) or something... (last year
> the same weenies were crying how bad AP poll is!!!)
> 
> Njan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Purdue Info?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:34:38 CDT

In article <1992Oct12.115322.14470@doug.cae.wisc.edu> tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau) writes:
>Being an avid Wisconsin Badger fan, I'm interested to know as much
>about our next opponent as possible?  Can someone give the rundown
>and the lowdown on Purdue?  Strengths, weaknesses, star players,
>offense, defense, etc...

Offense:

QB:  Eric Hunter (if not hurt) has had big games in the past, and is always
dangerous.  We Boiler fans don't depend on him much, anymore.  Matt Pike
has had a few decent games.  3rd string QB Hoffman may end up starting.
I'd have given Purdue the edge here at the beginning of the season, but now
it is a push.

RB:  Junior Jeff Hill has had some big games at TB, and Arlee Connors has
had a few at FB.  It's very similar to Fletcher and Moss at Wisconsin, IMO.

Receivers:  Purdue has one or two that are OK, but the for the most part,
they like dropping passes.  Wisconsin easily gets the edge here with
"Famous" Duramous.

Line:  Wisconsin's line is a bit more experienced, and a bit better.

Defense:

Line:  DT Jeff Zgonina is one of the best in the Big 10 and the country,
but he often doesn't have a lot of help.  They moved him back here from
Nose Tackle so he'd be more effective.

LB:  Eric Beatty has had some decent years, leading the Big 10 in tackles
last year, I believe.  He was SI's player of the week after the Cal win.
Not a lot else.

DB:  Jimmy Young led the conference in interceptions last year, but hasn't
been as effective this year.  Wisconsin hasn't thrown very effectively this
year (for the most part), so Purdue's weakness here should not hurt them.

Overall, Wisconsin's defense has performed a bit better than Purdue's.
They both have had their big games (Purdue-Cal, Wisconsin-TOSU), but have
had games where they've allowed a lot of yards (Purdue-Notre Dame, Toledo,
Northwestern; Wisconsin-Iowa, Bowling Green).

Should be an interesting game.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Thrash-factors (was Re: AP Top 25)
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:45:24 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

In article <ldncmoINNk3h@cronkite>, andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:
>In article 1440@colorado.edu, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>> 
>> >Miami, on the other hand, pitched a shutout, and scored only 22,
>> >at home, That was a defensive-thrashing (tm). 
>> 
>> A 20 point difference IS offensive thrashing... I'm sure the hurricanes
>> could have ran up the score, but probably complaints about them running
>> up the score in the previous years did have some effect on why they
>> didn't score more points.
>
>I don't think so.  If I remember right Miami scored a TD on its first
>possession & did not score a TD again,  the rest were FGs.   Considering
>the total ineptness of the Neb offense,  the Canes had the ball a lot &
>with pretty good field position.  They could not get in the EZ.  Doesn't
>matter when your defense is as good as Miami's was.

Well, think again.  Miami scored two touchdowns (one a pass to Kevin
Williams and another a short run by Larry Jones) and three field goals.
They missed a two-point conversion.  But anyway, I don't see why it
matter how do you get your points.  22 points are worth the same whether
they are all field goals or touchdowns or safeties.  Furthermore Miami
outgained Nebraska 439 to 171 yards.  

>
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: NOTRE DAME - PITT TICKETS FOR SALE
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:39:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T



A friend of mine has six tickets for the Notre Dame v. Pitt game
this Saturday (10/10/92) for sale. The tickets are $25 each and 
are in Section 9 and 10, Row 18 and 34. Call Kevin at 215-691-2729.


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From: Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: (none)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:56:20 GMT

Vegas odds for MAC games this week:

Favorite:              Underdog          Line

> Akron                KENT              10
> MIAMI (OHIO)         C. Michigan       PK
> BOWLING GREEN        Ohio              17
> BALL ST.             E. Michigan       11
> TOLEDO               W. Michigan        3

- Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ------------ Some things are still a mystery to me -
- Ohio Wesleyan University ----------- While others are much too clear! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -----------------------------------------
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From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Subject: Re: One-sided Rivalries
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:32:23 GMT

In article <Bvt9Ix.IoK@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>Someone recently posted about one-sided rivalries (i.e. Virginia
>Tech-UVA).  I think this happens when one team gets dominant for too
>long, the typical underdog starts treating it as the "big game".
>
>Not to sound blasphemous to my fellow Georgia Tech alums out there,
>but I think Georgia Tech-Georgia hsa gotten this way.    Many UGA
>types seem to treat Auburn or Florida as their biggest rivals- I think
>this stems from Tech's generally mediocre performance during the 70's
>and early 80's.  There are still many UGAers who take the game quite
>seriously, but it still seems that the average GTer makes a bigger
>deal out of it.   After all, "To Hell With Georgia ..." is part of
>our school song ...
>
>Any thoughts?  From the Yellowjackets or Bulldogs out there?

The Atlanta papers did a survey a few years back and came to the 
conclusion that for Tech the biggest rival was Georgia followed by
Clemson and then I believe Virginia.  Georgia fans put Florida first then
Tech then Auburn.  However individuals tended to vote Tech either first
or third, giving the overall finish of second.  I guess this means that
Georgia fans think Tech is either a really big rival or just so-so.  I
would imagine that younger fans think Florida and Auburn are bigger
than Tech and older fans pick Tech (due to Tech's poorer performances
recently).  However many of the Georgia fans I know did feel that last
year's game was very important as they did not want to lose three in a
row.  Assuming that Tech continues playing well I'm sure Georgia fans
will begin to again feel that Tech is Georgia's biggest rival - esp. if
Tech manages to even up the all time record (though that will be at
least 11 years).

13-5
^^^^
"subliminal" Braves cheer
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: question: rules concerning missed/blocked fieldgoals
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:22:19 GMT

In <Sep28.202952.69381@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest) writes:
>that point (i.e: if it was kicked from the 3 yd line and blocked and it rolls 
>out at the 18 yd line, it belongs to the defense at the 18). There are many

Close but no cigar.  See Rule 8-4-2-b.
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From: grantham@jif.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 06:20:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jif.berkeley.edu

ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) wrote:
>[part of scenario that gets PSU into the top three deleted]
>>       Michigan - Ah, if they go undefeated people will care.  They have a
>>       schedule about as good as State's (but certainly not better), although
>>       that tie with ND is gonna hurt if Penn State beats them at Notre Dame.
>>       Even with a Michigan win in the Rose Bowl, I see Penn State with a
>>       piece of the MNC at least.
>>
>Sounds ok to me.  Should both teams go undefeated, we could split the 
>MNC.  I have no problem with that.  :)  
>Actually, it would pretty interesting to have co-national champs 
>in the Big Ten next year.  Let all Big Ten insulters beware!  ;)

Ah, Steve, you miss the real beauty of the super-secret *real* Penn State
MNC scenario, which has Penn State beating Michigan in the Blockbuster Bowl
for the MNC.  You see, Michigan will go undefeated in the Big Ten, *but*
so will suprisingly good Wisconsin.  Since Michigan & Wisconsin don't play
each other this year, Wisconsin, since it last went to the Rose Bowl some
time back in the Eisenhower administration*, it gets to go and play then
#1 Washington.  #2 Michigan & #3 Penn State meet in the Blockbuster Bowl.
(Michigan gets to the Blockbuster Bowl by the same hocus-pocus that got
Washington there in the UCLA scenario.)  Wisconsin stuns the Huskies
by winning on a last-minute field goal.  The problem with this scenario, of
course, is that Elvis will suffer a mysterious injury & thus Todd Collins
will *not* throw a last-minute interception.  Instead, he will guide
Michigan into field-goal range (which, this year, better be pretty damn
close) & whoever's kicking for Michigan (who knows, Steve, maybe you...)
will kick the game-winning field goal as time runs out & tears stream down
Joe Paterno's face.

See, wouldn't that be easy?

Jon  "The Redskins would be winning if Desmond played more" Grantham
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Jon Grantham					grantham@math.berkeley.edu