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From: rich@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (Richard Scott)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Torani Syrup (to buy)
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:19:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.054416.22469@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
|>...does anyone know of a place in the Denver/Boulder area that 
|>sells Torani syrups?  You know, the stuff Cafe Roma puts in coffee
|>to flavor it?  I want a bottle of Almond Torani, and don't know where
|>to get it.  Anyone with an idea please e-mail me, or post.
|
|I haven't been in there, but there is a coffee store (something
|I'ev never seen before...) on 13th about a block south of Pearl
|in Boulder. They might have is, or at least know who might...

	That's most likely `The Brewing Market', next to the James Pub &
Grill. There's also a store in the Village Shopping Center, next to
McGuckin, which is a bit larger, and may have more syrups than the
downtown store.

	(Waiting, anxiously, for Starbucks to open their Boulder store.)

	=rich


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Rich Scott   Adia Information Technologies, Denver, CO    rich@uswest.com
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From: v045100@otis1.stortek.com (Jennifer Farnham)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Torani Syrup (to buy)
Reply-To: v045100@otis1.UUCP (Jennifer Farnham)
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:49:28 GMT

You can buy "Torani Syrup" at any coffee shop.
I bought it at Peaberry's Coffee, and
Coffee Country in Louisville. Peaberry is
in Boulder on Arapahoe, on Colorado Blvd
in Denver, and on Arapahoe in Englewood.

Jennifer Farnham
StorageTek

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From: sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford)
Subject: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:58:28 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

>Actually, a minimum speed limit might be just as important as a maximum:
>There is alot of evidence that the real problem is traveling at a
>different speed that the rest of the traffic (which requires frequent
>passing, etc... and thereby increases the risk of accidents.) If this
>is the case, driving at 40 on an interstate is as dangerous as driving
>70...
>

I hate to interrupt your musings on the variance in highway speeds
as "the problem" with some FACTS, but...

The death-rate per 1,000,000-vehicle miles driven is LOWER on German Autobahns
than U.S. Interstates.

This fact quite suprised me after driving there for 1/2 year, because:

  (1) the speed ranges there are from 90 Km/h (the legal limit for some
      vehicles and such) to upwards of 250 Km/h -- that's a range of
      ~55 mph --> 150 mph.  Realistically, most traffic is in the
      ~50 mph to 110 mph range, however.

  (2) Autobahns in general are poorer quality than our interstates:
      narrower lanes, narrower shoulders, tighter radius turns,
      rougher pavement, rarely bigger than 2 lanes.

WHY?  Because in their good Germanic ways, they follow driving rules to a T.
NO ONE cruises in the left lane -- it's for passing only.  People SIGNAL
before changing lanes.  People are OBSERVANT of traffic around them,
knowing they (or someone around them) may get killed by simple acts
of discourteous driving.

Perhaps the thing that gauls me most on interstates is someone exercising
their constitutional right to drive at the speed limit in the left lane.

		stew crawford
		CSU
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From: rob@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rob Cuthbertson)
Subject: Re: Spinning wheels while getting un-stuck (was Re: 4WD!!)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:34:08 GMT

In article <Bz2K9J.M4E@csn.org> edb@teal.csn.org (J. R. Sims) writes:
>In article <Dec10.164518.30758@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley) writes:
>-In article <Bz0s9C.6uC@csn.org> edb@teal.csn.org (J. R. Sims) writes:
>-
>->I have driven both rear wheel and front wheel drive vehicles, in both
>->flat and hilly conditions.  I've always had better control with the
>->car in neutral.  The difference is especially noticable when slowly
>->descending a hill.
>
>-Under Colorado law, it is illegal to coast your vehicle downhill, or for
>-any length of time, in neutral.  One expects to disengage the clutch while
>-stopping (or towards the end of stopping) and while changing gears.  Otherwise,
>-the vehicle should be in gear.
>
> [ ... ]
>
>I would also be interested in the history of that law.  Why was it put
>on the books?  People couldn't shift back into gear when necessary?
>Engines stalled and power brakes/steering died?  If anybody has the
>background information on this, please post or email.


I'd guess that the law's intent (note that I say "I'd guess" not "The results
of my thorough research and interviews with lawmakers" :) is targetted at the
large trucks who haven't been in the Rockies before.  On rigs of this size,
you don't get synchros on the transmission, and your ability to get into a
gear is limited by your ability to match engine speed with wheel (gear) speed.
In this case, yes people can't shift back into gear when necessary.  On dry
roads, it's also quite possible to overheat your brakes if you're not using
engine braking, obviously easier in a big rig than a passenger car, but still
possible even in your 2200lb econobox.

When I started this part of the great traction debate, I was talking about
_stopping_ (not driving slowly, but stopping) on slippery surfaces.  I said
that a manual transmission requires that you engage the clutch before you
can stop (without killing your engine, of course) but that most people I 
know who drive automatics don't drop their cars into neutral in the same
situation.  It's still good advice for auto drivers, 4WD or not, down a 
steep hill or on the flat.  You _will_ have better control _while_stopping_
if your car is not in "drive."  If you drive an auto, try it.  If you have
ABS, please let me know your results since I have no experience trying this
in an ABS-equipped auto.

--Rob Cuthbertson, rob@spot.Colorado.EDU

As an aside to John Cooley who has a "modified" automatic transmission to
provide better engine braking -- do these modifications also limit the force
applied to the wheels when stopped or near to stopped?  (I'd imagine they do)  
If so, then my argument wouldn't apply to your truck, but I suspect you knew 
that.
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From: bdale@gag.com (Bdale Garbee)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:00:16 -0700
Organization: The Bit Basement
NNTP-Posting-Host: winfree.gag.com

meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel) writes:
> So, please, explain to me why people insist on passing me on
> the right, when the inside fast lane in wide open. 

I asked a friend in northern CA this once, after riding about 100 miles on
interstates with him where he did this over and over... he believed he would
be less likely to get picked up for speeding if he wasn't in the left lane.  I
won't begin to relate the lengthy discussion that ensued, but thought it worth
pointing out that at least one such person used this as a reason.

Bdale
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Spinning wheels while getting un-stuck (was Re: 4WD!!)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:12:10 GMT

In article <Bz2K9J.M4E@csn.org> edb@teal.csn.org (J. R. Sims) writes:
>Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's right.  I never see the
>minimum speed limit enforced on the interstate, even when special
>conditions don't apply.  There are a lot of outdated and unenforced
>laws on the books.  

Actually, a minimum speed limit might be just as important as a maximum:
There is alot of evidence that the real problem is traveling at a
different speed that the rest of the traffic (which requires frequent
passing, etc... and thereby increases the risk of accidents.) If this
is the case, driving at 40 on an interstate is as dangerous as driving
70...

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder

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From: hilary@netwise.com (Hilary Lane)
Subject: "Green" Wines
Organization: Netwise Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:26:59 GMT

I'm looking for names of wineries that produce organic or "environmentally
conscious" wines, such as those made without harmful chemicals or those
that give a portion of their profits to environmental organizations. If
you have any information about these "green" wineries, please send it to
the address below. 

If there is any interest, I'll post a summary. Thanks so much.

-- 
Hilary Lane
Netwise, Inc., Boulder, Colorado
hilary@netwise.com
Newsgroups: co.general,ncar.general
From: ginsburg@acd.ucar.edu (Paul Ginsburg)
Subject: Amateur scientist makes good
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research - Atmospheric Chemistry Div
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:42:35 GMT


It is an
interesting story of how Forrest Mims III, an amateur scientist in
Texas developed a home-made, hand-held total ozone meter and used it
to monitor overhead ozone.  Before the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo, the
TOMS and TOPS (home made) instruments agreed well; after the eruption,
a 2% discrepancy developed.  It took a long time for Forrest to get their
attention.  Finally, he took his instrument to Mauna Loa to compare
against the Dobson 83 instrument.  TOPS measured about 2% low.  However,
a bit later, it was learned that TOMS was measuring about 2-4% high.

Mims has submitted a letter to Nature.

Any one interested can contact him at

			Forest Mims III
			433 Twin Oak Road
			Seguin, Texas 78115

			512-372-0548
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From: ghog@teal.csn.org (Greg Hoggatt)
Subject: Re: football priority
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:39:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.151125.6492@ncar.ucar.edu> era@sedona.scd.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold) writes:
>In article <1992Nov29.012826.29704@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> johnsonr@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Richard Johnson) writes:
>>rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn) writes:
>>
>Boycott all football.  All it does is injure kids (including mine) and
>add big bucks to all our health insurance premiums.
>--
>Ed Arnold * NCAR * POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 * 303-497-1253(voice)
>303-497-{1298,1137}(fax) * internet: era@ncar.ucar.edu * bitnet: era@ncario
>compuserve: internet:era@ncar.ucar.edu

Give me a break!  All football does is injure kids?  I think NOT!  Yes, 
injuries in the game of football can occur, I do not argue this, but there
is a LOT more to the game.  Kids can learn teamwork, stay physically fit 
(far more than I can say for Nintendo), and learn a lot about winning
and losing (life).

There are problems with the competancy of coaches, etc. - But the 
overall pluses FAR outweigh the minuses and you sould NOT BOYCOTT all
football.  I hate blanket statements like this!  I'm sorry your kid got
hurt, but thats part of life and he's probably better off for it in
the long run.....

Greg

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From: dwight@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (Dwight Melcher)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:55:31 GMT

In article <Dec15.235828.71079@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford) writes:
>
>  (2) Autobahns in general are poorer quality than our interstates:
>      narrower lanes, narrower shoulders, tighter radius turns,
>      rougher pavement, rarely bigger than 2 lanes.
>
I drove in Germany for 1.5 years and this is absolutely *not* true.
The lanes are wider (or the average car/truck is narrower, it's
hard to tell when you're zipping around pretty fast),
the striping on the roads is larger (presumably
to account for the higher speeds) and always in good repair,
the shoulders are about the same, the turns are comparable,
the pavement is in better repair (I just *can't believe* somebody
from Colorado thinks German Autobahnen have rougher pavement than
roads in the states.  I just drove cross-country to the east recently and the
roads were a joke, for long stretches.)

>WHY?  Because in their good Germanic ways, they follow driving rules to a T.
>NO ONE cruises in the left lane -- it's for passing only.  People SIGNAL
>before changing lanes.  People are OBSERVANT of traffic around them,
>knowing they (or someone around them) may get killed by simple acts
>of discourteous driving.
>
True, and they're very open about showing disapproval if you don't
shape up. And they are very tough on junkers there, you almost
never see the kind of stuff you see on the roads around here
(you know, 71 Chevy Impala, mostly rust, missing windows,
tailpipe in tow...)

One thing about the high speed driving on the Autobahn though,
I think it is a dying phenomenon, primarily because of the amount of 
pollution generated by cars that are always going 100mph. It's really
true about the forests being trashed, at least around Frankfurt anyway.
And the congestion in Germany is as bad as it is anywhere: many times, you
just can't go fast because there are too many cars on the road.

German's (and people in general) drive fast maily because it is
*enjoyable*, I think. There are almost no benefits to driving faster
other than the excitment. Even driving 110mph over long distances I've
noticed only a slight decrease in overall travel time. I think the
idea that speed limits should be increased, or that Americans
should be taught to drive properly so they could avoid massacring
each other on the highway is silly: there are
no real advantages to it, and it would limit a primary source of
income for law enforcement (the money's gotta come from somewhere...
and it may as well be some chump getting his jollies on the highway
as me.)


Dwight Melcher
dwight@boulder.colorado.edu
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From: era@sedona.scd.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold)
Subject: Re: football priority
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:11:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov29.012826.29704@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> johnsonr@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Richard Johnson) writes:
>rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn) writes:
>
>>Now, to forestall the obvious reply that a good football team brings lots
>>of money to the school (which IS true), I'll point out that this doesn't
>
>I keep hearing this big lie, but I still don't buy it.
>
>Please show data to prove this.  How much is "lots of money", and does
>this "lots of money" actually benefit the school?  I've yet to run into
>anyone who can or will give a straight answer to that question.  The
>athletic department certainly can't come up with the accounting.

This data is all freely available from the editor of the Colorado Daily,
Clint Talbott.  I've looked over Clint's data (it's in my car right now)
and yes, I agree: the Gods of Football are pulling the $$ wool over our
eyes.

>>mean the coach has to be quite so highly paid, nor (especially) that he
>>deserves a lifetime contract.  Nor does it mean that the best faculty
>>couldn't be highly paid too.

Hee hee.  Maybe after the passage of Amendment 1 (contracts longer than
1 year not allowed) Mr. McCartney's contract won't be so secure.

>Boycott CU Football.  It does nothing worthwhile for the university, the
>city, the state, or the team members that can't be achieved more equitably
>by an organization that isn't an NFL farm team.

Boycott all football.  All it does is injure kids (including mine) and
add big bucks to all our health insurance premiums.
--
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From: eparvier@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (EPARVIER FRANCIS G)
Subject: Re: Amateur scientist makes good
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:53:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.224235.25638@ncar.ucar.edu> ginsburg@acd.ucar.edu (Paul Ginsburg) writes:
>
...stuff deleted...
>Before the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo, the
>TOMS and TOPS (home made) instruments agreed well; after the eruption,
>a 2% discrepancy developed.  It took a long time for Forrest to get their
>attention.  Finally, he took his instrument to Mauna Loa to compare
>against the Dobson 83 instrument.  TOPS measured about 2% low.  However,
>a bit later, it was learned that TOMS was measuring about 2-4% high.
>


I find it hard to believe that anyone would be concerned with a 2%
discrepancy considering that most remote sensing instruments are 
considered near to perfect if they've been calibrated to anything
less than 10-15% uncertainty.  Am I missing something?

					Frank Eparvier
					CU-Boulder, LASP
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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: co.general,soc.college
Subject: Re: Athletics over Academics at CU, surely not.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 11:41:36 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: co
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax-fddi.solbourne.com

While reading article <1992Dec15.174553.22481@colorado.edu>, I noticed that
limber@news.colorado.edu (Mark Limber) said the following:
 >As I heard it from a friend in one of the French classes, the final
 >was in the schedule printed in the Spring.  Did the basketball team
 >check that schedule?  Was my friend wrong??

A more appropriate comparison might be is if you print up a newsletter telling
all your friends you're going to have a dinner for all of them at a certain
restaurant.  When you get there you find that they're closed, because someone
called and reserved the entire restaurant for a private party.  Does that give
you the right to eat there because you printed the fact that you were going to
eat there long before the people who made the reservations made them?

Not to defend what happened, but regardless of whether the basketball team
checked the schedule, if they had the events center reserved and the French
department did not, the French department loses.
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From: mbeaty@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Beaty)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: 286 Hardware for sale (Boulder/Thornton area)
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:29:41 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

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FOR SALE:  DTK 286-16mhZ Mini Tower bare bones (mother board, power
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with controller card and cables and keyboard.  No floppies or ports.
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Valleylab, Inc. (a maker of electrosurgical instruments)  303/530-6545
From: mbeaty@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Beaty)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: XT for sale with monitor & printer: $300 (Boulder/Thornton)
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:31:40 GMT
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From: murray@rocky.raleigh.ibm.com (Charlie Murray)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:43:01 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

In article <Dec15.235828.71079@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford) writes:

|> I hate to interrupt your musings on the variance in highway speeds
|> as "the problem" with some FACTS, but...
|> 
|> The death-rate per 1,000,000-vehicle miles driven is LOWER on German Autobahns
|> than U.S. Interstates.
|> 
|> This fact quite suprised me after driving there for 1/2 year, because:
|> 
|>   (1) the speed ranges there are from 90 Km/h (the legal limit for some
|>       vehicles and such) to upwards of 250 Km/h -- that's a range of
|>       ~55 mph --> 150 mph.  Realistically, most traffic is in the
|>       ~50 mph to 110 mph range, however.
|> 
|>   (2) Autobahns in general are poorer quality than our interstates:
|>       narrower lanes, narrower shoulders, tighter radius turns,
|>       rougher pavement, rarely bigger than 2 lanes.
|> 
|> WHY?  Because in their good Germanic ways, they follow driving rules to a T.
|> NO ONE cruises in the left lane -- it's for passing only.  People SIGNAL
|> before changing lanes.  People are OBSERVANT of traffic around them,
|> knowing they (or someone around them) may get killed by simple acts
|> of discourteous driving.
|> 
|> Perhaps the thing that gauls me most on interstates is someone exercising
|> their constitutional right to drive at the speed limit in the left lane.
|> 
|> 		stew crawford
|> 		CSU

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!!  Here in the wonderful state of North Carolina, most
people must think their turn signal is there to hang rubber bands, or keys, or
something.  It can't possibly be there to indicate (IN ADVANCE) that they are
about to change lanes (in fairness to the NC natives, these drivers are most
likely from other states here on the East coast, especially the North East).
I've seen drivers cruising in the inside lane, matching 
the speed of cars in the outside lanes, and letting traffic pile up behind
them.  Then when the road widens, they IMMEDIATELY move over again to the far
inside lane (WITH MILES OF OPEN ROADWAY BEFORE THEM) for no apparent reason.

Hey people, DRIVE is a verb.  You are NOT along for the ride.  Take control
of your 3,000lb vehicle and responsibility for your driving, and we will all
get along better on the roads.
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From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:27:27 GMT

bdale@gag.com (Bdale Garbee) writes:

>meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel) writes:
>> So, please, explain to me why people insist on passing me on
>> the right, when the inside fast lane in wide open. 

Maybe got in a bad habit from when the "fast lane" has someone doing
55 mph in it when traffic is flowing at 70. Also seems to be two set
of rules - one for the city and one for the country. In the city it
is much more common to be passed on the right. I think that this may
be a function of people getting in the left lane if they are going a
distance, and the right lane if they are getting off soon. 

>I asked a friend in northern CA this once, after riding about 100 miles on
>interstates with him where he did this over and over... he believed he would
>be less likely to get picked up for speeding if he wasn't in the left lane.  I
>won't begin to relate the lengthy discussion that ensued, but thought it worth
>pointing out that at least one such person used this as a reason.

Well, I have a brother-in-law who is a state trooper in New Jersey.
In that state, the left lane is called the "trooper lane". They
routinely pick up any one that impedes them in that lane. 

Bruce E. Hayden
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org

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