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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:45:29 GMT

>  Markie Cochran writes:
>> Bruce Schuck 

>>Yes it is attached, but NO it isn't dependent wholly on her body for life.
>>
>>Out of the womb it will survive fine with the normal amount of care.
>>
>>And I repeat, there is *no* physical differences between the baby.
>>

>Would you consider a 2 chambered heart as opposed to the normal 4
>chambered heart a significant difference?

>Gues what? Up until the time of birth, the fetal heart functions with
>only 2 chambers, just like a fish. During the birth process, the stoma
>in the septun closes (normally, if not, we get to do some nasty
>surgery on the neonate) and we get a 4 chambered heart.
>What was that you said about *no* physical differences?

Do you understand what the word *physical* means?

I understand perfectly well that within the womb the *functions* of
breathing etc. are different.

But all the the *physical* pieces are there and capable of working
outside the womb.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: nfs@volkl (Norbert Schlenker)
Subject: Re: Social programs (Was: Reform party platform)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:56:56 GMT

I go away for two weeks and the whole group turns into diatribes
about abortion.  Let's get this back on track.  Are you there, Michael?
You said zip about what I suggested in the way of reform of universal
social programs (I've seen posts by two others, to which I'll reply
separately), so I assume you have no problems with what I wrote.  When
I become dictator, I expect you not to kvetch.

On to the next RP platform proposal which you found objectionable:

   | The Reform Party supports the development of a family or      |
   | household-oriented comprehensive social security system       |
   | administered through the income-tax system. This could        |
   | replace many forms of social policy, such as the Family       |
   | Allowance, Child Tax Credit, Spousal Exemption, Child         |
   | Exemption, federal contribution to social assistance payments,|
   | retirement plans, federal social housing programs, day-care   |
   | deductions, and minimum wage laws. We will explore options    |
   | from among existing proposals such as the guaranteed annual   |
   | income, security investment fund, and negative income tax.    |

To me, this says that the RP wants to replace twenty social programs
(with twenty different bureaucracies) with one comprehensive system.
What is it that the NDP finds objectionable here?

Norbert
nfs@cs.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
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Organization: Um, err... I *know* I saw it here a few days ago...
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:08:39 GMT

In article <schuck.724868803@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>>  Little Stevie Novak writes:
>
>>> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>
>>>Just for thought:
>
>>You forgot to think.
>
>Think? I asserted 2 facts which happen to be true, and a 3rd you claim
>to be false, but isn't.
>
Care to offer proof? 

>>>In Canada, if you kill a baby 1 hour *before *it's born, and the 
>>>mother approves, it's called an abortion.
>
>>Very good!
>
>>>In Canada, if you kill a baby 1 hour *after* it's born, and the
>>>mother approves, it's called murder.
>
>>Well, of *course* it is.
>
>>>There is no fundamental physical differences between the babies in the
>>>two cases.
>
>>Of course there is, Brucie.  The fetus you're confusing with a baby is still
>>attached to the women and dependent wholly on her body for life.
>
>Yes it is attached, but NO it isn't dependent wholly on her body for life.
>
>Out of the womb it will survive fine with the normal amount of care.
>
>And I repeat, there is *no* physical differences between the baby.
>
Would you consider a 2 chambered heart as opposed to the normal 4
chambered heart a significant difference?
Gues what? Up until the time of birth, the fetal heart functions with
only 2 chambers, just like a fish. During the birth process, the stoma
in the septun closes (normally, if not, we get to do some nasty
surgery on the neonate) and we get a 4 chambered heart.
What was that you said about *no* physical differences?

>>The actual baby, born, alive and breathing, is not.
>
>The normal amount of care is still needed. A baby does not exist in
>isolation. It still need to be fed for example, kept warm, etc.
>
>>Pretty simple...like you, Bruce.
>
>You should get you so-called facts straight Stevie.
>
Good advice. I would like to think you'd take it yourself Brucie.

--
                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
These are the views of my employer. They also represent the views of
your employer, your government, the Church of your choice, and the
Ghost of Elvis. So there.
From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Pro British is not anti French (Was: Legalized ...)
Date: 26 Dec 92 04:24:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec21.214845.902@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:

> Brits, in their homeland, may have a general feeling of nausea for
> people who eat things like snails, pigs feet, frogs legs,... :-)

As if British cuisine has anything to recommend itself to the rest of
the world.

> Please don't misunderstand me.  These comments are intended simply
> as a (hopefully) humerous diversion.  I enjoy going to France.  I
> have considered emigrating there. 

Hey, look, don't be a pussy about it.  You're apparently English.
You're not fond of the French.  The latter follows from the former.
You don't have to apologize.

It kind of reminds me of a former coworker who once took a vacation
[went on holiday] to Acapulco.  Upon his return he was asked how he
liked it.  "It was okay", he said, "but there were too many Mexicans
all over the place".
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Happy New Year (DSY!)
Followup-To: can.loonie.lovers
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 20:16:57 GMT

Dave Shariff Yadallee <yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> writes:
>ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) writes:
>- May your one-dollars be made of paper once again.
>Also, a purging of the GST is on my mind.

A double "NO!".  The loonie, when coupled with a $2 bill, is far superior for 
small transactions, than a mitt-full of crumpled, dirty, ragged, $1 bills.

The "visible" GST is much preferable to the "invisible" MST.
All Canadians want "lower taxes" (TM) and "no deficits" (TM).
Unfortunately, they're incompatible!
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc
Subject: $1-Japanese cartoons for sale!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 06:39:37 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

I'm not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I'll give it a try....
What I have to offer, folks, is among the most artistic, inspired, and
disturbing cartoons to be found anywhere.  Written by Maruo Suehiro, the 
comics depict problematic aspects of 20th-century life.  By sending me
$1 in cash or money order, you get to receive a 10-page sample of highlights.
If what you quest for be new inspirations, new frontiers, I can promise
you you won't be disappointed.  If interested, please send to

Henry Robertson
2206 Durant Ave. #5
Berkeley, CA 94704

And feel free to ask questions.
I look forward to your response!

Include a self-addressed, stamped envelope (29 cents, business size).
From: "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com>
Subject: internet bbs-trinidad
Reply-To: "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:44:20 EST

Hello

I am looking for some sort of link via Internet/Usenet to Trinidad.  I
guess BBSing may not be that popular there, but I though I would try
anyhow.

Do any of you know of any BBS's operating with our without Internet
Access.  Phone number of Internet Address would be useful.

How about the University of the West Indies, do you know if they may
have such access.

Thanks for any help.

Richard

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: vogelm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Michael Vogel)
Subject: Pesos y Medidas Dominicanos
Originator: vogelm@hphalle6e.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:14:31 GMT


?Quien sabe algo sobre los pesos y medidas dominicanos?

?A cuantas pulgadas (o metros) equivalen una vara y una ona?
?A cuantos pies cuadrados (o metros cuadrados) equivale una tarea?
?A cuantas pulgadas cubicas (o galones o litros) equivalen una fanega,
 una pipa y una botella?
?A cuantas libras (o kilogramos) equivale un saco de cafe?

?Que otros pesos y medidas raros hay en la Republica Dominicana?

?Cuantos pesos (RD) cuesta un dolar (US)?

?Cuantos pesos cuesta un galon de gasolina (sin plomo, con plomo,
 super, gasoil) en Santo Domingo?

Algo diferente:
?Como se llama la discoteca en Santo Domingo, que esta en una cueva?

   Gracias

   Michael Vogel, Munich, Alemania

   e-mailaddress: vogelm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE
From: ww@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:21 PST
Subject: MiG Inursion into Cuba:No Family Af
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Subject: MiG Inursion into Cuba:No Family Affair
From: nyxfer!ww (Workers World Service)


Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit


MiG incursion into Cuba was no family affair

By Lyn Neeley

The U.S. government has committed new aggression against Cuba. 
This time Washington acted through Cuban defector Orestes Lorenzo
Perez, a former Cuban Air Force major who deserted in 1991 when 
he flew his MiG-23 fighter into the U.S.

Lorenzo flew back into Cuba Dec. 19 to pick up his wife and two 
children. Thinly disguised as a family affair, the event was 
actually another rightist attack on the Cuban people.

A reactionary anti-Castro organization, the Valladares 
Foundation, reportedly donated the $30,000 plane Lorenzo used in 
the flight.

To underline its role, the Bush administration gave Lorenzo a 
hero's welcome upon his return from what the U.S. media called a 
"rescue mission." Bush even invited Lorenzo and his family to the
White House on Dec. 23. Movie producers are already competing for
rights to his story.

The Cuban newspaper Juventud Rebelde pointed out the seriousness 
of the incursion, and criticized the U.S. for assisting Lorenzo 
Perez. Juventud Rebelde called Lorenzo's flight a Hollywood 
stunt: "He did not hesitate to risk the lives of two children to 
create the juicy image of a Hollywood star."

The newspaper wrote: "If the approach of a light plane is capable
of provoking an emotional response from Cuban authorities and 
they give orders to fire against any plane that penetrates 
national territory, traffic in the region would become extremely 
dangerous.

"The crew of this airplane could have been an innocent and 
off-course tourist, a top executive of a U.S. company or an 
airplane in trouble."

Officials from the Immigration and Naturalization Service--who 
have denied entry to thousands of Haitians fleeing terror in 
their country--said U.S. law grants special status to Cubans who 
desert their homeland and its efforts to build socialism.

                               -30-

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From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Import/Export Research
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:11:21 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to the Caribbean Islands? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in those countries about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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From: tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang)
Subject: wpa on elections 1992 in guyana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:20:38 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article: <BzMGCL.32r@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
 umbacchu@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Emran Ally Bacchus) writes:

(lots of interesting stuff deleted)

>NOTE BY OVERSEAS EDITOR: This can be regarded as Guyana's shame for
>allowing its self to be conned into tribal politics; which is what
>the P.N.C wanted. The former rulers are out of office but not
>
>
The blame for this can be laid solely at the feet of Burnham
and his band of thieves, murderers, frauds, cheats, and
racists (a.k.a. the PNC).  It was their race politics and
acceptance of CIA money to finance the strikes that turned
into race riots in 1964 that changed racial ignorance into hatred.
Hamilton Greene, Viola Burnham, and
the other criminals should be tried for crimes against humanity.

-- 

Anthony Lang
Dept. of Zoology, 
University of Toronto
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:39 PST
Subject: US Ignored Haiti Embargo in 92
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Subject: US Ignored Haiti Embargo in 92
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit

From el diario/La Prensa 12/23/92

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


US Ignored 1992 Embargo Against Haiti

In spite of the unilateral embargo against Haiti instituted last
year, the United States did more than $104 million worth of
business with that country in the first seven months of 1992.
Robert Geldbarg, an official with the US Department of State
Office of Inter-American affairs, said the failure of the embargo
was a shame for the White House, but that it did not function
because it lacked the backing of the United Nations. France and
some members of the Organization of American States ignored the
embargo. Washington's policy toward ousted president Jean-Bertrand
Aristide has been at best ambivalent. Some people in the US view
Aristide as anti-US and anti-democratic. Others, however, feel
that Aristide must be returned to the presidency of his country,
having been elected in the first free elections in Haiti. (edlp
12/23/92 from NOTIMEX)
 

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From: raj@sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov (Raj Ramlagan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: wpa on elections 1992 in guyana
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:32:56 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD

In article <BzMGCL.32r@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umbacchu@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Emran Ally Bacchus) writes:

   > People close to what happened during the election noted  
   > a lot of multiple voting and impersonation  by the two old
   > parties. The P.N.C's was a higher level and included seizure of
   > ballot boxes, takeover of polling stations, anti-personal
   > violence and heavy marking of ballots after the polls were 
   > officially closed.


Let me state that I have no knowledge of the WPA's position and what
their major thrust is.  I just know them as a political party in
Guyana whose leader was assasinated by Burnham.  I do believe the PNC
cheated because of personal conversations I've had with a member of
Carter's staff.  To insinuate the PPP lowered themselves to such a
level is a big statement.  You need to supply more data.  If the PPP
cheated in the elections, then why did'nt they do so over the past 22
years?  So what's wrong with the INDO Guyanese ruling?  The AFRO
Guyanese screwed the place for 22+ years.  The WPA does not have 
longevity and recognition as the PPP, both at home and abroad.  Maybe
as the Democratic process blossoms in Guyana the WPA will get a chance
to show their stuff.  If Indians conspired and planned to get power by
any means so what.

Raj
From: Steve Frampton <frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: guyana: WPA on elections 1992
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:58:54 EST
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
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umbacchu@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Emran Ally Bacchus) writes:

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Just a small hint, when you compose a document using WordPerfect *please*
save it as an ASCII text file instead of a regular document or this kind
of jibberish will result.

Oh, and save it using HARD carriage returns as opposed to SOFT carriage
returns, this will ensure your line lengths aren't too long.

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From: raj@sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov (Raj Ramlagan)
Subject: Re: wpa on elections 1992 in guyana
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:28:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.160324.20986@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley) writes:

   In article <BzoDqH.Hn0@zoo.toronto.edu> tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang) writes:
   >In article: <BzMGCL.32r@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
   > umbacchu@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Emran Ally Bacchus) writes:
   >
   >(lots of interesting stuff deleted)
   >
   >>NOTE BY OVERSEAS EDITOR: This can be regarded as Guyana's shame for
   >>allowing its self to be conned into tribal politics; which is what
   >>the P.N.C wanted. The former rulers are out of office but not
   >>
   >>
   >The blame for this can be laid solely at the feet of Burnham
   >and his band of thieves, murderers, frauds, cheats, and
   >racists (a.k.a. the PNC).  It was their race politics and
   >acceptance of CIA money to finance the strikes that turned
   >into race riots in 1964 that changed racial ignorance into hatred.
   >Hamilton Greene, Viola Burnham, and
   >the other criminals should be tried for crimes against humanity.
   >
   >-- 
   >
   >Anthony Lang
   >Dept. of Zoology, 
   >University of Toronto


I think Phillip may have accidentally left his comments out but:

   >The blame for this can be laid solely at the feet of Burnham
   >and his band of thieves, murderers, frauds, cheats, and
   >racists (a.k.a. the PNC).  It was their race politics and
   >acceptance of CIA money to finance the strikes that turned
   >into race riots in 1964 that changed racial ignorance into hatred.
   >Hamilton Greene, Viola Burnham, and
   >the other criminals should be tried for crimes against humanity.

Is very true, and to suggest that Guyana's problems is due to any
other source is a BIG LIE.   Who did the PNC represent?  

1.  Any non-black who would like to kiss some black guys ass to
    prevent  his/her property from being robbed and vandalized, and 
    his/her daughters from being raped.  Also to facilitate their
    children finding a job.  I will not go into how one got audited by
    the PNC.

2.  Blacks who felt they have a god given right to Guyana; to not be
    accountable to anyone for anything.  Thats why they lost the elections.


Who does the PNC currently represent?

The selected few low lifes who have benifited from crime.  This is why
they are desperately trying to find a way to get back in.

Raj