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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: RAC.INFO blackout?
Date: 20 Jan 93 23:50:22 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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	Brian has told me that Dartmouth installed a new version of Cnews
at the first of the year, and since that time, no articles have left.  He
is planning to repost all rac.info articles received since the first of the
month, since the problem has been fixed.
-- 
"Confronted with a choice, the American people would choose the policeman's
truncheon over the anarchist's bomb."--Vice President Spiro Agnew
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:07:07 GMT
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In article <IfN89P600UzxE8h9pP@andrew.cmu.edu> "Pamela J. Bernhardt" <pb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>My two cents.
>
>1) Didn't Dream kill off destruction in A Dolls House?  He unmade the
>guy!  And even if he remade him, I don't think that he'd be fool enough
>to make him that horrible. 
>
You mean the Corinthian, I presume...
I thought the idea was that Morpheus *needed* to create pretty horrible
nightmares, for whatever reason he needs to create the other dreams. It
wasn't so much the Corinthian's nastiness that was the problem, as his 
desire to revel in it in the waking world...

Mike
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: McReviews: JLA #72
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:46:00 GMT
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terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
> This is an incredible rip-off!!!  Marvel did almost the exact same story
> 5 years ago with their Squadron Supreme mini-series.  At that time,
> Marvel and DC were negotiating to do an Avengers-JLA team-up story.
> When that deal fell through, the Marvel writers had some fun by coming
> up with their own version of the JLA called the Squadron Supreme.

	Oh, please, do *some* modicum of research before spouting off like
this.
	Squadron Supreme first appeared in Avengers 89, in the *late 60s*,
and was deliberately the first JLA/Avengers crossover.  JLA 89 featured a
thinly disguised version of the Avengers, who also made recent
reappearances in JLE.
	I'm convinced, though I don't have hard proof, that the
JLA/Avengers semi-xover was a result of a deal between then-team writers
Roy Thomas and Mike Friedrich (? on that last name, also the issue numbers
may be off a notch or two).  A similar event occured in the early 80s when
Marv Wolfman and Mark Evanier semi-xovered the Titans and the DNAgents 
in their respective books.
-- 
"It's time for Congress to tell the president to shove his veto pen up his
deficit."--Rep. Jim Traficant, in the House
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: This Week's Trivia and Gossip Column
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:57:50 GMT
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dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> Was PS really a member of the Justice League?  (What was his power?)

	Yes, JLA #103, the first spooky-Vermont-town story.
	Power?  He appears, intones mysteriously, and vanishes.  That's
good enough for me....

-- 
"I'm confused about this whole good-bad thing.  What exactly do you mean, bad?"
"Imagine every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light and all
 life as we know it stopping simultaneously."
"Total protonic reversal...."
"Right.  That would be bad.  Important safety tip.  Thanks, Egon."
--Bill Murray, Harold Ramis, and Dan Ackroyd, "Ghostbusters"
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Gay Comic Characters in Mainstream Books -- The List!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:11:04 -0600
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Brian Perler (bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu) writes:

>In article <9301190210.AA28660@lynx.corp.frame.com> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
>>Whatever her name is, Montesi, from Darkhold, is the odds-on faviorite
>>for Marvel's other significant Lesbian character.
>
>Has there been anything to imply this?  I don't recall any, but I
>might have missed it.

1. Chris Cooper (the writer on Darkhold, and an openly gay man) said, at San
Diego, that there are two signifcant Lesbian characters at Marvel, who are
likely to "come out" in 1993.  Mystique is almost certainly one of them.  The
odds favor the other one being someone he works with: Montesi or the Professor;
Aurora from Alpha Flight might also be a possibility.

2. In Darkhold #1, Motesi's female best friend/roommate was seriously injured,
and put in the hospital.  There's been no indication of a love interest for
Montesi elsewhere.

3. In one of the later issue (#3?), Montesi again refers to he hospitalized
friend, wishing that they could be together.  The context was "I need someone
to hold me" rather than "I miss my friend."

>>  Blue Jay is also rumored...
>
>Ditto on this one.  Am I missing something here?

Rumor is that the world Blue Jay/Silver Sorceress/Wanjdina came from has
homosexuality as the norm, with heterosexuality as the 10% Club.  (Naturally
or by legal requirement, I don't know.)  This is from a story that I know had
passed the first cut to get into JLQ; whether it will ever actually make it
in, I don't know.

------------------------------
                             |     I heard gunshots from the kitchen, and raced
Jim Drew                     | in to find Sheriff David pointing a now-unloaded
jrd@frame.com                | police revolver at the refrigerator.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "I got it!" he said.  "I got the monster!"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     I gingerly opened the refrigerator.  A week
B(2)h t c k g+(p) rv p e     | without power had left the insides pretty scary,
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | but I saw no monster.  I pulled out a package of
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | shot-up cheese, instead.
                             |     "I think you got the meunster, Sheriff."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: The flip side of the Endless...
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:25:16 GMT

In <1993Jan25.115605.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>The only problem with this theory is that the opposite of delight is
>despair.  Unless this is why she became delerium.

But delerium could be delight taken to an "ultimate" negative point.

Recreational drugs, for example, in small amounts can create "delight" of
a sort, but when pushed too far can create merely delerium.

Sorta.  Does this make any sense?


Or is it merely delerious babbling? :-)
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
 I fear we have not gotten rid of "God" because we still have faith in grammar
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:08:51 GMT
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dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
> I'm a big fan of Squadron Supreme

	Ditto.  It's one of my "Top 10" best JLA stories ever, in part
because Gruenwald had the balls to take a traditional superhero story in
unexpected directions.  (Don't give me any backtalk about Watchmen, either;
Watchmen is hardly a traditional superhero story.)  Issue 12 in particular
blew me away after





	SPOILER






sympathetic character after sympathetic character DIED.  Died DEAD.  And
they were sufficiently obscure that their deaths are most probably
permanent.  
	Gruenwald took characters, put them on opposite sides of complex
issues, and made you -like- all of them.  It's a remarkable achievement, 
and it makes his evident lack of talent elsewhere all the more
disappointing.
-- 
"Once a boy becomes a man, he's a man all his life, but a woman is only
sexy 'til she becomes your wife."--Al Bundy
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Cover of BONE #7
Keywords: BONE
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:09:09 GMT

I may be off base, but the more I look at it, the more I suspect the
unusually ugly cover of BONE #7 to be a parody and/or tribute to Jack Kirby.
(I know, I know, you probably deduced this *way* ahead of me.)

                           "You can always tell a Harvard man, but you can't
                            tell him much."
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Eternal Warrior/A&A question
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:44:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.115745.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> 
> Also do you think that D'artagnan is really a time traveling Archer? 

Not neccesarily.  Think of it as a special episode of A&A, with the "actor"
who plays Archer also playing D'artagnan.  Check out the polaroid at the
end of the episode to see what the real D'artagnan looked like.

[A friend of mine, who bears an uncanny resemblance to Armstrong both in
 physique and tastes (even though he won't admit it) introduced me to this
 book.  Nothing incredible, but it's a good fun read.]
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			       Master of Science!
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: LNH: Where's that roster?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:51:46 GMT
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wReam, we're still waiting for that roster.
Do we have to e-mail bomb your account again?
--MikE....comprende?

(New .sig time!)

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From: bards_n@azalea.cs.odu.edu (Nathan Bardsley)
Subject: Re: Sandman TPBs--Anyone Got a List?
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:58:50 GMT


I'm waiting on some info on the forthcoming Sandman collections, but as of
now there are only the four.  The three released =Distant Mirrors= stories
will be collected with #50 (Distant Mirrors: Ramadan), the Convergence arc,
and the Orpheus special.

Hopefully in a few days I'll post more about this.
-- 
Nathan Bardsley -- bards_n@cs.odu.edu
From: aelujan@beauty.engin.umich.edu (Anthony E Lujan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LSH #41
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:39:27 GMT
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berninge@cs.purdue.edu (Jim Berninger) writes:

>I'm kind of looking forward to Legionnaires.  LSH #41 was one of the most
>enjoyable stories in v4 that I've read to date ...

I just finished reading my copy of LSH #41 and I must agree.  Of course,
the cop out of the Triad clone/not-clone thing did annoy me a bit.

However, without a doubt, my favorite thing was the return of Sean Erin
and as SP Chief!  I was worried that they'd just let him fade away after
the big Shvaughn revalation.

Why is it that the SW6 stories seem to be more entertaining than
the adult legion stories (not that we really see the adult legion in
LSH anymore but that should change soon with #42...) BTW, in LSH #40, Garth
was way to non-chalant about Imra being missing.  "Oh by the way... Imra's
dissapeared ho hum..."

_________________________________________________________
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.sandman
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:40:48 GMT

michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>Although Sandman itself may not justify a new newsgroup, certainly there
>is enough interest in "mature" comics (Vertigo and its ilk, along with
>limited runs and one-shots like _Maus_ or Gaiman's _Signal to Noise_)
>to consider rec.arts.comics.mature.  What do folks think?

Just thinking of the big debate over what's mature...  Is Lobo mature?
Are all comics that don't have the comics code seal mature and all
that do, not?  In some cases it's extremely obvious, but in many cases
not.  rac.vertigo at least makes it fairly easy to place things.
-- 
There is a vas deferens between men and women.
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: The Slightly Annotated Death #1
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:47:08 GMT

In article <30573@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>
>>I doubt it - I assumed he was just standing there staring moodily across London,
>>as one is apt to do when one is a tortured angst-filled teenager disenchanted
>>with life...
>
>Hang on, didn't Death (Didi) become mortal in New York?

Ooops, my mistake...I  recognise London far better than I recognise NY (for
obvious reasons - like I've never been to NY and I lived in (or near) London
for about 18 years...) and didn't spot the scene change. Mad Hettie being there 
just confused me even more :-(

Mike

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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Rubies
Keywords: rubies, of course
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:02:18 GMT

apn207s@momth1.maths.monash.edu.au (Mr A Dempster) writes:

>Is it just me or does that thing Dream is wearing at the end of #47 look 
>suspiciously like his ruby? I assume it isn't, so is it another one of these
>'dream-stones' we keep hearing about (e.g. the Porpentine and the thing Nuala
>has)?

Someone, I don't remember who (sorry :) posted something about that
being another coloring mistake...  It was supposed to be a silver
button-thingy.  

		-DM

>-- 

>In order to remember your dreams, you must think of them as if they were 
>little kittens. When you wake up in the morning, before you get out of bed,
>Sit up and say, 
>"Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
>Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
>Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
>Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
>Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty."
>                                                -King Missile
--
Finally!  A sig that works!!!!!!   *8-)

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fnord.
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: DC-Marvel "Crossovers" _A_ list
Summary: I don't claim to have found them all...just some fairly obvious
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 12:18:39 GMT

Y'know, I've _really_ got to start paying more attention to these kinds of
things. I knew about the "downed shuttle crew" in ADV. OF SUPERMAN #whatever.
But I can't believe I never noticed the Legionnaires in SUPERMAN #8!

For those of you who never read it, it had Superman vs. Blok (Thing), Sun
Boy (Human Torch), Brainiac 5 (Mr. Fantastic, kinda...) and Invisible Kid
II (duh...).

I always tried to compare the Shi'ar Imperial Guard to the X-Men.
(Fang=Wolverine, Quasar=Colossus, Astra=Kitty, Impulse=Cyclops, etc.) I
guess if I had read the LSH way back then, the connection would have been
more obvious.

The Extremists were fairly obvious... but I never thought to connect the
superheroes of that world with the Avengers.

The Squadron Supreme were also fairly obvious to me...

I always thought the Original Doom Patrol was kind of a lopsided FF.
Negative Man=Human Torch, Robotman=Thing, and they split up Mr.
Fantastic's intellect and stretching powers between Niles Caulder and
Elasti-Girl...

Does anybody know if there were analogues to be found for the Defenders or
the New (nee Teen) Titans?

Geez... one _really_ has to keep on their toes!

Jay (=

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Subject: Re: Image..., sigh!
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:05:33 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

Yes, Spawn definitely gets the highest marks out of the Image group.
But I also consider Erik Larsen's Dragon well thought out.  If you read his
letters pages, he seems to have a rough outline of what stories he wants to
accomplish in certain issues of the ongoing series.  However, he wasn't too hot
on scheduling for the miniseries.  I'm still going to check out the new series
when it comes out.  The only other Image titles that might be good are
Wildstar:  Sky Zero, Wetworks, and The Maxx.  I also expect Sam Kieth to meet
his deadlines on The Maxx, considering he already had a preview done in time
for the solcitation.  Beyond that, there aren't any titles worth picking up
from Image.
                                                     --Eric
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From: ckb@athena.mit.edu (Christopher K. Brown)
Subject: Re: Urges of a 501 murderous rage...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:25:35 GMT

(Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

>I was at the NYC convention this past Saturday (what a miserably produced
>show, BTW), and LO AND BEHOLD, look who came to grace us with his presence...

Did you come by and say 'Hi' to me?  I was running the tables right across
from the Marvel booth.

You're right about the show being miserably produced.  Many people
scheduled to make appearances never did.  There were many empty tables.
Worst of all, the dealers were treated poorly.  I arrived before 9:00 AM
Friday Morning, but was unable to get my books taken in until 12:30 PM.
Some dealers were waiting until 3:30 PM.  The show started at 1:00 PM.

>
>501 himself!
>
>I was standing six feet away from him.  I could have rid the comics world of
>the high lord of heresy with a simple lunge and a two clenched fists around
>his throat.  But, for some unknown reason, I resisted...
>
>Maybe the size of his head, his short stature, and his annoying personality
>generated enough humor to justify letting him live.
>

Starting Saturday, Image was handing out Supreme #1 golds to everyone
who filled out a questionaire.  On Sunday, around 5:30, Image decides
to just give the rest away.  The booth got STORMED, tables knocked over, 
displays dropped, etc...

Pretty Funny, huh.

Even funnier, I sold 3 of the supreme #1 golds for $25 each anyway.
The people who bought them said they didn't want to wait in the crowd
to get to the Image booth.  (After they inquired about buying it, I
told them that they were being given away).  I wanted to price them
lower, since they were barely worth the paper they were printed on in
that room, there were so many.  But other dealers had them up from
$40-$60 - so mine went.

Chris



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From: loki@netcom.com (James E Myers)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:52:38 GMT

>Well some of the food appears to be warm. (Little heat lines coming off of 
>Aren't the dolmades (stuffed grape leaves, right?) the warm green things 
>they were coming to start the dinner. But his early warning system would
>probably only tell him that Dream was now taking the search seriously. He
>must have just assumed that it would take about a day to find him.
	
	On the other hand, we know how bad Destruction is at the other 
creative arts.  He probably just miscalculated how long it takes to cook
something and was trying to cover it up by pretending he thought they were
going to be there earlier....

--James
>
From: rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dave Sim & Martin Wagner on Independents
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:57:32 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

markb@cimage.com (Mark Bernstein) writes:

>Even if you're not a Cerebus fan, if you have an interest in the independent
>(or alternative, if you prefer) comics market, Cerebus #166 is worth a look.
>It contains the complete text of the speech Dave gave to the Diamond retailers
>convention last June.  There's also, in the letter column, a long missive 
>from Martin Wagner, creator/writer/artist of Hepcats, about what it's like
>to be a struggling self-publisher.  Whether you agree with everything they
>have to say or not (I mostly do, with a few reservations), it makes for
>fascinating reading.

for even more interesting reading, check out gary groth's response to
the above-mentioned diamond convention speech, contained in groth's
editorial in the new (dec.?) issue of the comics journal.
(gaiman/mckean cover)

it's an interesting illustration of groth's perspective on the
independant market and on his view of dave sim's position in said
market. can't say i agree with his opinion, but it is worth reading to
get the flip side to all of sim's statements about groth.

and, since martin wagner has been mentioned, don't forget the  'keep
martin awake' telethon this weekend. call him and order the collegiate
hepcats, a subscription, or anything. his book is one of the best on
the market and he needs everyone's support to continue.

russ fischer

 
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