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From: ahusain@comm1 (Asad Husain)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: '87 BMW 635csi
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:31:09 GMT
Organization: UMAB

In article <1992Dec14.195118.10783@viewlogic.com> brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:


>In article <ahusain.38@comm1>, ahusain@comm1 (Asad Husain) writes:
>|> Hello all,
>|> 
>|> Does anyone own/have any comments on a 1987 BMW 635 csi? Are they godd 
>|> reliable cars to own?  

>Properly maintained, yes.

>|> Any absolute negatives?  

>A decent one will cost you a large amount of money to buy. Maintenance
>is fairly expensive as well, though not as much as a Porsche.

>|> What is the performance on these cars?  

>Very good. Fast, quiet, comfortable.

>If you can afford one, you will probably like it very much, assuming you 
>don't mind being perceived as an unrepentant yuppie.

>Asta la vista
What would you choose instead
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Olds Bravada
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:11:33 GMT

In article <1gmetoINN97c@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>
>--If anyone cares, Olds just announced that it will discontinue production
>  of the Bravada sport-utility vehicle at the end of the `93 model year.
>  Source: USA Today.  Just more proof that every GM division can't produce
>  every type of car to satisfy every customer.
>
>--Aamir Qazi
>
hmm...and didn't OLD-mobiles general manager john rock say he was committed
to the bravada etc.  wonder what the next surprise from olds will be?
>
>-- 
>
>Aamir Qazi
>qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
>--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.


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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 94 Accord
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:33:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1gj627INNkt6@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>--Honda is kinda stuck here.  A V6 Accord would eat up the Acura Vigor's
>  market share.  The Vigor was competitive only for its first year, but
>  then it was left far behind by the addition of the 190 hp Maxima SE, and
>  the Lexus ES300 to the marketplace.  ...

An interesting side note (or two) that I read about the Accord(s), at least
the ones built in the USA and their minivan.

I read (Autoweek or Automotive News, don't remember) that Honda has had
a minivan all designed and everything, and they're stuck as there
is no way that they can build anything bigger than the current Accord
in Ohio. The rumor said that this has caused some internal oopla at 
Honda (i.e. assembly line not flexible to do this kind of thing)). 

A similar oopla resulted after the Accord Wagon was introduced, quite
late and at a price which was comparable with import minivans. 

This was a while ago so things may have changed obviously. I found the
minivan production-line-too-small argument kinda silly but on the other
hand i see no reason why the minivan never made it OTHER than that...
The production line in Ohio is quite flexible from what I'm told.

Like I said, this was all rumors'r'us and a while back. Does anyone know
if things have changed? and how?

Thanks

Spiros
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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: lidar (laser) stealth car
Keywords: laser, lidar, radar, speed, limit, detector
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:50:03 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec14.142909.24020@microware.com>, troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:
|> Does anybody know if a black car reduces the effective
|> range of lidar?  What about matt black?
|> Does a bra with head-light covers reduce range?

 Black, especially matte, should be the best.

 And the bra should help also cause the head-lights
 and any chrome surfaces are probably the most
 reflective things on cars.  And don't forget that
 nice shiny license plate.

 TRAVIS
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From: mark@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: OX Sensor Origins
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:07:47 GMT

While digging through some of the literature on emissions, there is a 
definite changeover to closed-loop systems around 1982 using the Lambda
(OX) sensor technology.  What I cann't seem to find is the early origin
of this device.

I suspect that it was invented by Bosch in the 1970's, but have no 
direct reference to that.  I do recall seeing it on an Audi development
car around 1980.  Anyone out there got the history on who invented,
first produced this device?

Mark
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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: '87 BMW 635csi
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:51:18 GMT


In article <ahusain.38@comm1>, ahusain@comm1 (Asad Husain) writes:
|> Hello all,
|> 
|> Does anyone own/have any comments on a 1987 BMW 635 csi? Are they godd 
|> reliable cars to own?  

Properly maintained, yes.

|> Any absolute negatives?  

A decent one will cost you a large amount of money to buy. Maintenance
is fairly expensive as well, though not as much as a Porsche.

|> What is the performance on these cars?  

Very good. Fast, quiet, comfortable.

If you can afford one, you will probably like it very much, assuming you 
don't mind being perceived as an unrepentant yuppie.

Asta la vista
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Subject: Re: What to do about salt?
From: erkamp@janus (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:29:33 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@janus
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <ByxGuu.BLA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, droberts@aquila.astro.uiuc.edu (Doug Roberts) writes:
>Besides not driving in the winter, what can be done about salt damage to 
>the body of a new car?  I mean is it better to wash the car frequently,
>or to wait and to it when it really cakes up?  And is it worse to drive when 
>there are chunks of salt on the road or when it is slushy and salty?  
>

Well you don't want to let the stuff build up  especially if you keep your 
vehicle in a garage. You will get nice little chemistry experiments occuring 
over night while it thaws. I would recommend washing the vehicle frequently 
before any buildup occurs (especially when the temp is around freezing). If it's
well below zero and your vehicle is clean you probably don't need to worry much. 
Just my $.02

Bob
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: radar and speeding
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:55:06 GMT
	<1992Dec9.170137.2182@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
	<24389@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: burens@4ccvw101.scg.hac.com's message of 11 Dec 92 01:00:50 GMT
bcc: carl


>What was the outcome of your 4 court appearances? (Guilty,
>not guilty, dismissed...)  If you were found not guilty
>or the charges were dismissed, what did you pay $30 for?

Often, even if the "judge" finds you not guilty they charge you for
"court costs".  I've had this happen to me and while I think that this
is nothing more than ***legalized extortion***, it's better than
getting points on my license and the subsequent hike in insurance
premiums.

-Carl-
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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Not ALL YJs suck.........!!!!!
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:55:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

Rick Colombo writes:

>In article <1gnm1rINN2a3@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM >(Dave Bernard) writes:
>>>Well I have a CJ-7, it was made by AMC.  I got it stuck in deep water the
>>>first weekend I had it, rolled it within a year.  I understand the
>>>statements regarding fit and finish, but what's a *dash* and *carpets*?
> 
>> "Dash" and "carpet" are items that come in the base Wrangler, with a few
>> options like hard top, power steering, rear window defroster, std transmission,
>> with a sticker price of $17,000.


>Oh, that explains why I only paid $5108 for my Jeep, with a hard top.
>What's power steering and a rear window defroster?  Next you'll be
>telling me there's a *sound proofing* package too.   ;-)

Per-zackly!  If I paid $5000-$10,000 for the thing, I wouldn't be complaining
either.  And I bet Chrysler would still make money on it.

	Dave
From: stoppani@ninja.zso.dec.com (Pete Stoppani)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:10:17 GMT
Reply-To: stoppani@ninja.zso.dec.com (Pete Stoppani)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering


How about a Porsche Carrera 4!! ;-)

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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Cited again!(kinda)
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:47:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Dec15.133851@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
>Subject: Re: Cited again!(kinda)
>Date: 15 Dec 92 19:38:51 GMT

> I always check the license plate before I pass ANYBODY.  All Texas
> city/county/state cars have the word EXEMPT written over the license
> number.  Always a dead giveaway to "approach with caution". :)

Actually they have wised up to this.  All the exempt means is that the 
vehicle is exempt from state highway taxes (registration fee, etc...)

There are unmarked's in plano running around with normal plates.  And laser/
radar.  Beware.

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From: Skinny Puppy <htunca@ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Cougar XR/7
X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:57:37 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Organization: ncsa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:57:24 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A757A5717901149F@thunderbird.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

I don't know about the XR7, but I just read in Automobile magazine
(don't flame me - it's my friend's mag) that the Thunderbird will
be getting the modular V8 from Ford in 1994.  This is the same
engine going into the Lincoln Mark VIII.  Anyway, since the Thunderbird
is built off the same platform as the Cougars, I would assume
that the Cougars will also get this V8.
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From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Chrysler really did
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 14 Dec 92  12:14:00

 dje@mail.bellcore.com 
   (Don Eilenberger) sez:

> Just as an aside on the current topic.. if anyone out in networld
> would care to look.. find a book on 1930's American cars, and
> look for the Chrysler AirFlow.. a very advanced design at the
> time (streamlined, "cabforward", aerodynamic - for the times),
> that didn't make it. Seems everyone was happy with the rather
> boxy car shapes of the day, and thought the Chrysler radical.

   I believe that the Airflow was actually out in 1928, was it not? I 
found a magazine from back then called "The Autobody" that was a trade 
mag for the coach builders, which back then was big business. 
Companies like Le Baron and Fisher were once independent entities that 
built custom and upper-end bodies for production chassis(es?). I was 
somewhat surprised to find out that the '28 Ford Model A was designed 
in a wind tunnel!  It seems that way back in the late '20s the car 
companies knew that the shape of cars would eventually be what they 
are today (look at old airplanes and new ones, not much difference) 
but they didn't really have to worry about it 'till about '28 when 
road conditions got good enough that drag was a problem. A lot of 
design went into the '28 Model A and again into the '30. From '28 to 
'33 they pretty much went from the old horseless carriage type design 
to something that is basically what we have today. There was much 
written on how much the designers felt that they could get away with 
and not alienate the customers. Volvo also had an 'Airflow' styled car 
out at the same time that did better than the Chrysler product did, 
but they went back to more 'traditional' styles after that model also.

> This design was advanced, perhaps too much, as the sales were
> terrible, and Chrysler later abandoned it. It was for the day,
> and even now, what would be considered by the chairman..
> "Cab Forward".

   The Airflow was way ahead of it's time, at least in terms of 
styling. And isn't "cab forward" just a phrase that tells us that the 
most efficient car design is a van?  I guess you could call a Model A 
and it's ilk a "cab rearward" design, since the back seat was pushed 
way back in the car making for a van-like read end and lots of room 
inside. Personally, as a driver, I'd rather have the "cab backwards" 
design to get about equal lengths of metal forward and back of me in 
case of accident. Besides, there's nothing like driving a car with a 
respectable amount of hood.

> Maybe someone should send Lee a picture.

   Maybe someone should send Lee a crash test result. 



... Larry Mc Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, Calif. (cough, cough)
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (P. Virgo)
Subject: To: Barry Drodge,Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva - new question...
Summary: Sorry, guys, but I must,first,vent...
Keywords: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGH!
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:28:31 GMT


Well,guys, new cars aren't always perfect...

My Acclaim,which I LOOOVVE, has developed "early" wear--basically, after
about 7 months ownership/16.5K miles, she has developed premature disc
pad breakup--resulting in one screwed up rotor...

Chrysler says that this is "regular wear/tear"...and the warranty(7/70)
doesn't cover it...

I don't buy it...any suggestions???

d.j. NetBoy
-- 

d.j. NetBoy
Metters Industries
Arlington, VA 22202
From: jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM (Josh Sirota)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Fun way to tow 2000 pounds
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:29:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: pylon

I'm looking for a tow vehicle suitable for towing a trailer that weighs slightly
less than 2000 pounds.  I've got a few requirements, and I'm hoping that the
rec.autos collective can come up with a good choice of vehicle:

	1) Seats 4 adults comfortably
	2) Has reasonable luggage space ... for instance, I should be able to
		put four tires in the back of the car (but it doesn't necessarily
		need to hold four tires and four adults at the same time ... folding
		the rear seat is reasonable)
	3) Can tow a 2000 pound trailer through mountain passes
	4) Costs less than $20K, either new or used
	5) Has a manual transmission
	6) Is fun to drive!!

I won't really define fun to drive.  But I know someone is going to suggest a
'63 Buick Riviera ... but I'll tell you right now that in my book, a '63 Riviera
is *not* fun to drive.

I have some preferences too.  These aren't hard and fast requirements, but given
the choice:
	1) I like hatchbacks (and wagons) better than cars with trunks
	2) Split fold-down rear seats are good things
	3) Cars are more fun in the twisties than SUVs

I've had some thoughts on this subject already.  Possibilities include:
	1) Keep my '86 4-door Integra (certainly the cheapest option!  But a 2000
		pound trailer is pushing it, I think.)
	2) Used Volvo Turbo wagon
	3) Toyota 4-Runner or equivalent (I like the Grand Cherokee, but you
		can't get the towing package with a manual transmission)

I'm open to other ideas.  Thanks for any help!

Josh
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !! (a bit long)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:35:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.233545.21470@viewlogic.com> brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>In article <8f=VQ4e00WBLQ2pHET@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Joseph D. Mazza" <mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>|> 
>|> Sounds like deja vu!  Back in 1970 I bought an Audi 100LS in its first
>|> model year.  BIG mistake.  EVERYTHING, and I mean literally EVERYTHING
>|> went wrong with it.  

	Wow, a current opinion based on 1970's info.  Boy I hope we pull out
of Vietnam soon!!!


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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Olds Bravada
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:57:41 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:

> 
> --If anyone cares, Olds just announced that it will discontinue production
>   of the Bravada sport-utility vehicle at the end of the `93 model year.
>   Source: USA Today.  Just more proof that every GM division can't produce
>   every type of car to satisfy every customer.

Badge Engineering at work,.... NOT!

I *really* wonder if they sold just ONE of these.  I mean, its just a Blazer 
dressed up more, is it not?  

     Dan Reed - blu@cellar.org - AutoCAD Geek -Industrial Music Lover
      68'Cougar, 89'VW Golf, 74'Honda Cb360, 89'Rollerblade Zetras'
  "Anyone can get a gun Otis. You can make a phone call and get a gun."
From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: K&T Motorsports phone no?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:55:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Well, in the Ant and the Grasshopper fable, I'm lining up with the
grasshoppers.  Now that there's snow on the ground, I guess I should
buy a set of snow tires.

Does anyone have the phone number for K&T Motorsports?  Also, are
Nokia Hakka NR10's made in a 175 70 R14 size?

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost)
Subject: Re: "Most Tastelss Car Accessory Listing"
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:27:08 GMT

Lest we forget the fools with the Fiero locally?  Not just any Fiero,
however (a Fiero wouldn't get you in this list but...read on:)

The Fiero body was removed.
The rims were removed and replaced with Fitti Five Stars (same size
(15" ?)  
Pirelli P6s were put on.
The body was replaced with a FAKE Testarossa body - replete with
cheese graters (wrong size), and without (!) the raised rear decklid.
The whole thing sits about an inch HIGHER than the normal Fiero body.
And the simply huge wheel cutouts around the little wheels look bad.
But not as bad as the fact that hte car is about 3 feet too short, 2
feet too thin, and 1 foot too tall.  Revolting would be a compliment.
Then, to top off this creation, they have sheepskin seat covers and
the original Fiero interior (though maybe that's changed, I haven't
seen the atrocity since mid summer).  
Of course, the car wouldn't be finished without a paint job.  Tell
that to the owner, who drove it for a week in primer grey.  I guess
they were to psyched to show off their exotic.  Eek.  And the Camaro
red paint job (surely not Ferrari red, and not even Guards red) was
the coup de gras.

All of this was topped off the day the girl in the REAL TR gave him
the finger when she passed by the other way.  Classic.  I'm sure glad
I was behind her to see that one.

	Jonathan

jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu
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From: daniels_d@apollo.HP.COM ()
Subject: The Immobiliser
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:02:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

 Has anyone heard of a product called The Immobilser ?
It's brand new in the US, and over a million have sold
in Europe over the last 5 years. It's the latest in
security devices for your car. It consists of an 8 wire
system that must be installed by a licensed mechanic.

Looking for repair shops or dealerships that would be
interested in selling this product. If you would like
more info please email me.

Regards,
Dave

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Chrysler REALLY did invent CabForward.. in 1930's
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:37:02 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Dec11.145300.9237@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger) writes:
>
>Just as an aside on the current topic.. if anyone out in networld
>would care to look.. find a book on 1930's American cars, and
>look for the Chrysler AirFlow.. a very advanced design at the
>time (streamlined, "cabforward", aerodynamic - for the times),
>that didn't make it. Seems everyone was happy with the rather
>boxy car shapes of the day, and thought the Chrysler radical.
>
   My grandfather had one of those things.  "Streamlined," etc.
   maybe.  Attractive?  Wellll....to be kind, yuk.

>This design was advanced, perhaps too much, as the sales were
>terrible, and Chrysler later abandoned it. It was for the day,
>and even now, what would be considered by the chairman..
>"Cab Forward".
>
>Maybe someone should send Lee a picture.
>
     Or a '60's Volvo sedan which looked like a swedish 
     caricature of the Airflow.