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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Just asking...
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:28:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: s1.1992Apr15.212851.20341
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Livermore CA

In article <1992Apr15.191145.11934@tc.fluke.COM> emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.021136.4961@ac.dal.ca> hartigan@ac.dal.ca writes:

::What is love?
:
:Love is holding no malice toward those who wrong you.
:
:Love is paying back good to those who do evil to you.
:
:Love is releasing bitterness toward a person who has hurt you and forgiving
:them from the heart.
:
:Love is being patient with those who try you.  Love is not being easily
:angered.
:
:Love is caring for those who not only love you but those who do not love
:you.
:
:Love is valuing another above oneself.
:
:Love is sacrificing one's desires for the good of another.
:
:Love is holding up a committment made to another even when it may be
:difficult.
:
:Love is walking in kindness as a lifestyle.
:
:Love is not judging anothers motives but assuming the best about them
:or in other words giving them the benefit of the doubt.
:
:Love is laying down one's life for another.
:
:Love is not talking about someone behind their back even when you know
:they would never know.
:
:Love is "other-centered" and not "self-centered".
:
:Love is not being proud or boasting in one's accomplishments but rather
:building up others.
:
:Love is sharing material resources with those who have less.
:
:Love is looking past anothers shortcommings and living in the hope
:that they may change for the better.
:
:Love is persevering.  When emotional feelings of love dwindle, true
:love keeps on going and accepting.

	Love is self-abnegation, if not self-hatred.

	Sheesh.
From: amadeus@aegis.or.jp (Anthony Abry)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: RE: Old Civilization
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:30:47 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

There are several theories about human sacrifice. I know about one 
only.
        A human being was often considered the highest physical 
being. Only the gods were higher. In order to please the gods human 
biengs were sacrificed. This was very, very sacred and valuable.
        Among the Phoenicians in the first millenium BC human 
sacrifice of the first born son was often asked for. Of course, rich 
families tried to get out of this request or requirement from priests 
and people. One way to get out of it kind of cheaply, was to share 
some food or drink with a slave. By sharing food one made that other 
person equal and then that person was sacrificed. This idea is 
carried very high in Christianity where the son of god, Jesus, 
volunteers to be sacrificed. In terms of time and space this idea 
fits perfect into the ancient Middle East.
        With the Aztecs it worked as a double edged sword. On the one 
hand, by stating human sacrifice, the priests reinforced the belief 
that the Aztecs were favored by the gods. This then could be 
exploited in order to gain the momentum of the people so that more 
peoples and land was conquered. 
        Of course, there are other forms of human sacrifice which are 
not necessarily of a religious nature, such as PLO freedom fighters 
or terrorists, however you want to call them, Japanese kamakaze 
fighter pilots, people protecting their beloved ones.

---
Anthony Abry  
JUNET: amadeus@aegis.or.jp (within Japan)
BITNET: amadeus%aegis.or.jp@jpnkyoto.bitnet (international)
From: patb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Old Civilizations
Keywords: Human Sacrifice
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:11:55 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <3525@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> jethro@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:

>A modern Mayan priest and author, Kumbatz Men, "Secrets of Mayan
>Science/Religion," claims that this was a lie spread by the Spaniards as
>justification for murdering the Mayans and desecrating their temples. 
>The Mayans were a peaceful, earth-honoring, spiritual and Tantric-like
>people. Their way of life was blasphemous and threatening to the Catholic
>Spaniards.
>
Yes, I read "The Mayan Factor" by Jose Arguelles recently. It contained no
reference to violence in the Mayan culture. Arguelles claimed
the Mayans originated in space. They were highly advanced mathematicians and
constructed their great calendar. This describes the different historical ages
which mankind has passed, and will pass, through. Each age is as a result of
different energies reaching the earth and coming via the sun from the centre of
the universe. Our present age is the last; the calendar ends at 2012. After
that I believe the golden age begins. Sigh.

>I'm sure the story with the Aztecs is the same.

I thought these guys really were a bunch of butchers peaking at an annual
body-count of 50,000. But maybe I'm wrong.

	Pat
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Northern Telecomm, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. Phone : +44 81 945 2135

"In Lake'ch (I am another yourself)" - Mayan code of honour.
From: fl0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Frank T Lofaro)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Don't read this.
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:45:09 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

From talk.religion.newage (USENET): 12-Apr-92 Don't read this. NISHIYAMA
KOHTARO@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (132)

>This is a test.  This is a test.  I'm trying to post an article but I don't 
>know how.  You wasted your time for reading this.
>::wq


	Darn! I thought you were hiding the secret of enlightenment, or the
meaning of life here. :)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: dickson@b21.b21.ingr.com (Dan Dickson)
Subject: Re: Newage technology
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:51:12 GMT

Summary: Ouch! Sorry Don, slipped up on that one. You are correct, the higher
	 self needs no developing. A more appropriate statement would have
	 been: methods of contacting the higher self. I will post my own
	 experiences about this in a future post.


In article <56820@cup.portal.com>, Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes:
> I like the title of the thread.  It sums up my lifes work. I would like
> to comment on one thing Dan said
> >methods of developing your higher self
> 
> I had a chuckle when I read that.  Your higher self is probably the last
> thing in the universe that needs developed.  It would be much more accurate
> to say methods of developing a relationship with ones higher self.  Your
> high self is seeding your thousands of lifetimes in hopes that one will
> respond to it.  Since each lifetime has absolute free will and absolute
> choice the high self leaves the lifetime alone unless asked to participate.
> So it becomes an activity of getting into communication with ones high self.
> And then learning to trust that communication. Our high self has connections.
> Well worth exploitating.
> 
> 
>
From: gt0009b@prism.gatech.EDU (Delawalla, Rahim)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Old Civilizations
Keywords: Human Sacrifice
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:49:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr5.192707.9270@acsu.buffalo.edu> v248lgz2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott P Schwenk) writes:
>Also, I recently read that in later Atlantis, before
>the fall, that they too practiced these disgusting rituals. . .what were they
>getting at.  These were not savages, but high civilizations with intelligences
>to rival our own.

Can you tell me something more about Atlantis and the fall?  I'm really 
curious.

rahim
-- 
Delawalla, Rahim		Internet:  gt0009b@prism.gatech.edu
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From: rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Conversation with the Plieadians 3
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:42:07 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <57200@cup.portal.com>, Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes...
>A Conversation With The Pleiadians
> 
>The following is an except from a class session.
> 
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.
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Golly!  Not only is this taking up bandwidth on a voluntary association's
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:45:51 -0400 
From: David O Hunt <dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Conversation with the Plieadians 3

BWWAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Again, Don, thanks for the laughs!  The semester-end crunch is here and
I really
appreciate the comic relief!





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From: moskowit@tronsbox.UUCP (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Communal Living
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:38:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <l+pj=fc@lynx.unm.edu> ddehay@triton.unm.edu (David B.
DeHay) writes:

>     In my way of thinking, one of the essential components of
>the New Age is to find methods of living that are kind to the
>earth and all its beings.  Perhaps one of the most effective ways
>to achieve this goal is living in a communal environment whether
>one interprets that as a farm, shared house, etc.  I would like
>to pursue the goal of living in a commune in my own life, but
>the practice seems to have fallen out of favor since the 60's.
>One of my favorite books is _Living on the Earth_ by Alicia Bay
>Laurel because she seems so free and uninhibited in her writing,
>and I would guess that her freedom comes from living in a communal
>setting.
>     Has anyone out there experienced living in a commune?  Was
>it everything you expected?  Is it possible in the 90's?

There are all kinds of communes.  I lived on an Israeli kibbutz
(communal farm settlement) with over a hundred people for a few
months.  There was nothing New Age about it, though it was a very
interesting experience.  And it happened to be in a most beautiful
part of the world

Personally, I didn't see anything spiritual about having a committee
decide how whether my kids could go to the school I preferred, or
whether I could pursue the work that I enjoyed, or whether I would be
allowed to buy a toaster.  Also, being a farmer isn't for everyone,
especially if you tend to enjoy the life of the mind as I do.
-- 


Len Moskowitz
moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com
From: v248lgz2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott P Schwenk)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Old Civilizations
Keywords: Human Sacrifice
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <loren.26@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu>, loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller) writes...
>In article <1992Apr5.192707.9270@acsu.buffalo.edu> v248lgz2@ubvmsb.cc.
>buffalo.edu (Scott P Schwenk) writes:>I'm interested in finding out why 
>there was a need for human sacrifice, what>was it that these groups were 
>trying to achieve through these methods?>Is there some psychic energy that 
>could be wrongfully harnessed or stolen>from those they murdered?  Also, I 
>recently read that in later Atlantis, before>the fall, that they too 
>practiced these disgusting rituals. . .what were they >getting at.  These 
>were not savages, but high civilizations with intelligences>to rival our own.
> 
>I'd like to find out some things I don't know about human sacrifice, too. 
>Here's what I do know. The Mayans seem to have offered up human sacrifices 
>as a fertility ritual. Their ball game was a good example of this, for the 
>captain of the winning team would be offered as a sacrifice (the spanish 
>explorers said the entire losing team was the sacrifice, but they didn't 
>record it accurately. archaeology tells a different story.) The Aztecs, on 
>the other hand, seem to have believed that the gods were really, really, 
>really bloodthirsty and required constant sacrifices in order to keep the 
>sun going across the sky, the rain coming, and so on. There is probably some 
>anti-aztec propaganda in the legends and accounts, but imho there's a lot of 
>truth too. There are plenty of other well documented large-scale massacres 
>and long-term slaughters in human history, Tamerlane, Vlad Tepes, Gilles 
>de Rais, and Adolf Hitler are only some of the examples. Compared with them, 
>mayan and druidic sacrifices are tame, but aztec sacrifices are still 
>impressive. I would like to know if the Aztec sacrifices had a political 
>cause, or if Aztec priests and kings were raised in some way that would 
>cause them all to be psychopaths, as they appear to have been, since I find 
>it rather difficult to justify such large scale sacrifice on a purely 
>religious basis, even for the appeasement of bloodthirsty deities.
> 
>As for atlantis, beyond Greyface and his ilk I know nothing of it.
> 


	Yeah Loren. . .Good 'Ol Gruad.

1472

Peace and Light... Scott
From: ginger@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Ginger Grover)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Pleiadian Connection
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:21:04 GMT
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA


From: rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch)

>In article <57200@cup.portal.com>, Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes...
>
>>       S U B S C R I B E T O CONNECTING LINK   1 Year Subscription (6 issues)
>>is just $20 U.S. (12 issues) $35   Canada $32* (air) 12 issues $59*   Overseas
>>$44* (air) 12 issues $83*  To order your subscription use order form in center
>>of magazine Credit card orders only call (616) 891-0410 * U.S. Currency
>>Connecting Link Magazine 9392 Whitneyville Rd. Alto, MI. 49302-9694
>
>Golly!  Not only is this taking up bandwidth on a voluntary association's
>network but they also vertize for subscriptions - ie: profit.  How do
>you feel about this non-profit, voluntary network being used to solicit $'s?  

I feel a lot better about it than I do about the unsolicited garbage spewed 
over this group by the damnchristians.  At least what Don posts is appropriate
to the newage group.  The information about the Pleiadians, IMO, is very
interesting and thought-provoking, and I'm glad to know where I can read more
about it if I so choose.  So there.

For others who are interested in the Pleiadians, "The Prism of Lyra" is an
excellent background book.  I don't have the author's name handy.

Ginger	uw-beaver!ssc-vax!ginger OR ginger@ssc-vax.ds.boeing.com
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From: v248lgz2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott P Schwenk)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Newage technology
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <57014@cup.portal.com>, Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes...
>Hi Len, here we go again.  I want to say I have had my best discussions
>with you on the net.  I have been through some experiences recently
>that have added a whole new dimension to the answers I get to questions.
>So I really appreciate being asked questions. Helps me to access my recent
>expansions. WOW.
> 


Don. . . 


I have been reading about illumination through drugs lately in bits and 
pieces in a book called the "Illuminatus Trilogy"  I am currently in a
spiritual development class that meets once a week indefinately.  I have 
been on a path and developing for about three years now.  I have experienced
various types of healing practices, been initiated into one, given and recieved
past-life regressions, practiced healing, and had one unfinished, and very 
painful rebirthing session.  All without the use of drugs.  

My question is this. . .I realize that drugs are a short-cut for development, 
been I also thought that they put harm on the physical and spiritual bodies.
I was also told that things like LSD do open one up, but could take an 
individual further than they're ready to go, and that this could be 
extremely detrimental.

Could you expand on these things for me as someone who has worked with
drugs for growth?

If you would prefer, go ahead and email me.

Peace and Light. . .Scott
From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Letters to Tom [2 of 10]
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:57:31 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA



I'm remembering, Tom, piece by piece.  The Omega Center has grown
a lot and is double the size it was when I was last there.  But
the spiritual forces are the same, as are the philosophies and the
goals of those people.

It all seemed so utopian eighteen years ago.  I can recall the
classes in Eastern philosophy and the long sessions in the
meadows, sitting for hours in meditation, feeling such a unity
with all life, with all that is.  What bliss that was.  I can
remember the special spirit-guides who came to me during my last
summer.  They opened my consciousness to realize my own divinity,
and revealed worlds of experience and awareness I'd never known 
before.  It was like an endless carnival ride through a world of
enticing secrets, and my guides promised to remain with me forever.

But the joy of those days eventually soured like warm, aging milk.
The bliss of meditation became more and more a form of insanity
and escape; the spirit-guides did not remain with me as they
promised, but decayed into illusions, ghostly images, tormentors.
I had gone to Omega to find, as Mrs. Denning put it, "the meaning
behind it all," but found instead a world of mindless credulity
and wishful thinking, a floating, aimless quest for experience
in place of rationality.  Meaning?  No, only self-aggrandizement.
And whether a person is a small cosmic accident or a god who fills
all that is, that person is still alone.

So it was futile.  I can see that now, but of course "now" is too
late.  I am so much older, and so many fruitless years have passed.
Looking back, I find it so very sad to count the years I devoted
to that place and what is stands for.  I find it even sadder to
think that it is still there, still drawing more and more Sally Roes
into its nets.  I wonder, someday will those bright-eyed and 
optimistic teens look back across the years and find the futility
that I find now?  From a better vantage point, will they assess their
lives and find as little value?

Those were, as I have said, days of madness.  But I must REMEMBER
whatever it takes.  There is still more to the story, and I must
remember who these people are, where they are, and what they intend.
I must remember who I am, and what I am--or was--to them.

I'll keep writing as often as I can.
From: ed_l1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Communal Living
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:21:27 HST
Distribution: na
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <l+pj=fc@lynx.unm.edu>, ddehay@triton.unm.edu (David B. DeHay) writes:
>      Has anyone out there experienced living in a commune?  Was
> it everything you expected?  Is it possible in the 90's?

Dear David:
	Kerista is a polyfidelitous commune in Saf Francisco, still
active.  Look up ABACUS computers to get in touch with them, I lost
the address.
	There are also loads of communes in the US today.  I used to
correspond with them in Seattle, Oregon, California and other places.
                                                               
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From: geraldb@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Gerald Bryan (Denver))
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Old Civilizations
Keywords: Human Sacrifice
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:26:01 GMT
Organization: ?

In article <1992Apr5.192707.9270@acsu.buffalo.edu> v248lgz2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott P Schwenk) writes:
>These were not savages, but high civilizations with intelligences
>to rival our own.

Thanks for bringing me a smile, Scott.
-- 
"Truth is simply the understanding of seeking" -- da Free John
From: tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi)
Subject: Rituals ----> loss of intent
Summary: About zen practice of hitting the neck when sleeping.
Keywords: Zen
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:48:01 GMT

I have provided some possible benefits for doing some actions like in
the lotus sutra in previous postings.

Many things in religion are passed down from person to person,
but unless the theory or the why of it is not understood, the practices
may become mere ritual and lose meaning.

The example I give is a Zen practice.

-----

In some Zen sects, if you fall asleep during meditations, the teacher
may hit you in the back of the neck.

You might think that's to wake you up.

Well, that may not be the only reason for rapping you there.

At the back of the neck, roughly at the bottom of the head, you may
feel another major energy center.

If this energy center is rapped lightly when you fall asleep during a 
meditation, you may be popped into a certain state.

----The problem is, I don't think this action is taught as a method of 
hitting a major energy center and placing the student into an altered
state.

    That's fine because you should be aware of this fact.  You just 
experience it and do it.  

However, some Zen teachers may have never understood or experinced this
reason for hitting the back of the neck.  Consequently, this action
is done merely out of ritual.  Some valuable effects of this 
technique is lost...

If the blow to the neck is done without awareness, then it merely wakes 
the student without placing them in any sort of altered state.

Nobody needs to know why you should sit in the lotus position or do this
or that, but in some cases, ritualization occurs and the actions lose
their original meaning.

This is one example of why I promote understanding some theory along with
the practice.

Toshi
tt@wag.caltech.edu