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From: gd@gehenna.sw.stratus.com (Greg Dawe)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: US Divers vs Sherwood
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:01:43 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Nov6.183232.10353@odin.corp.sgi.com> warren@beach.hampton.sgi.com (Warren McLain) writes:
>>Just one little data point from personal experience:  I've had a
>>Conshelf SE2 freeze and free-flow on me whilst ice-diving.  My
>>Poseidon's have never done that despite more ice-dives whilst using
>>them.
>>-- 
>>Regards,
>>        Russell
>Interesting, I have a conshelf 12 which I used while in Scotland and never
>had
>any problems with it freezing. It has been one of the most reliable
>regulators
>that I have ever seen.
>-- 
>Warren McLain

I'll back up Russell's assertions with the ole' SE2 in cold water.  While
crewing on a dive boat last Winter we had several problems with divers
surfacing because of freeflowing SE2's.

-- 
Greg Dawe                        | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer,
Voice : (508)-490-6666           |             nor they for me...
e-mail: Greg_Dawe@vos.stratus.com|
From: chesnutt@adobe.com (Stan Chesnutt)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: PERFORMANCE gear reliability???
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: adobe.1992Nov9.182914.28534
Organization: Tuesday Weld Fan Club

In article <18906.2af5c0df@ecs.umass.edu> gross@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Does anyone out there know if the PERFORMANCE company sells 
>reliable gear?  I may purchase a console and/or a wetsuit.
>Any response appreciated.  Thanks, Brett Holmquist.

I was on the Kona Aggressor two weeks ago.  One of the divers on the
boat had recently bought a lycra skinsuit from Performance.  After the
third dive, it had begun to fray at the seams: threads were coming off
and the whole garment looked like it was about to fall apart.  He was
going to scream at Performance when he got back to the mainland.

This may be an isolated incident, or maybe not.

Stan

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 Stan Chesnutt,  Adobe Systems			      chesnutt@mv.us.adobe.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: paulc@col.hp.com (Paul Carroll)
Subject: Re: resort reviews
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:59:17 GMT
Organization: Emo! Emo! Emo!

> 	I can say that Brac Reef offers two morning boat dives and an
> afternoon "load up the truck" shore dive.  The Little Cayman boat dive
> trip is a two-dive trip as well, with no afternoon dive that day - there
> is a night dive scheduled on the day of the Little Cayman trip.

	Dive Tiara is similar, although we only made shore dives
	twice during the week, once at night.  It seems like you need to 
	get a fairly-significant critical mass before they will drive 
	you to the other side of the island.  

	As for driving around the island, it is fairly easy to do in one
	day.  Cayman Brac is fairly long, even though it is only a half
	mile or so across.  Part of the problem is that the road doesn't
	go all the way around the island so you have to backtrack 20 miles
	or so before going up the other side of the island.  My main 
	interest was in the caves on the island.  They were not really
	exciting, but they might be worth looking at if you have the time.
	By the way, driving is on the left-hand side of the road.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: The Cost of OPENWATER I
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:47:41 GMT

Recently I read several articles about a student's 
"tuition" for his SCUBA class: $450, if I remember
correctly.  Most of these responses gave the impression
that he was paying way too much.  I'd like to offer 
a different opinion.

When a person decides to become a SCUBA instructor, he
takes on a lot more than people think.  The initial 
investment can be quite hefty: several additional SCUBA
classes may need to be taken, emergency response classes,
and finally the instructor class -- the back-breaker of 
them all.  Each costs money, time, and energy.  Once
an instructor, there is equipment, equipment maintenance,
insurance, and continuing education (for example, I
believe that every instructor should no as much as 
possible about NITROX diving, although he may not
endorse it).  The bottom line is that a SCUBA instructor
is a professional and should be paid as such.

What is proper payment, then?  This should depend on 
the amount of time it takes, etc.  A typical openwater
course in Florida takes well over 50 hours of time, when
considering classroom, pool sessions, all preparation, and
OW dives.  Suppose the student above were taking a
private class, what would he be paying an hour?  Not too
much.  What if the course is in California?  Typically,
these classes are more demanding and thus require more
time.  What if CPR/First Aid is taught concurrently? Etc.

I've taught classes on both coasts, and the prices that 
are offered by dive shops disgust me: on the east coast 
I've seen course as low as $69, on the west as low as
$129.  That's ridiculous!!  It encourages quick, shoddy,
and thus dangerous courses.  Currently, I charge $250 per
person on the west coast and $100 on the east coast. I 
teach because I love the sport and so never expected any
income from it.  But, the fact that I have had to subsidize
my teaching from the start suggests that maybe $450 isn't
too much to pay.  In the end, you usually get what you pay
for.

Dan Brown
NAUI 13366
From: phil@seidel.ucsb.edu (Philip Papadopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Diving after flying
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:16:33 GMT

jnickel@netcom.com (John Nickel) writes:

>mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) writes:

>>In article <Bx60ux.IKr@inews.Intel.COM> brodesky@td2cad.intel.com (Michael Brodesky) writes:
>>>
>>>	I was wondering what the suggested times were before diving
>>>after taking a short flight.     

>>Good question. Conventional theories (e.g. Haldane) would say that if
>>anything flying before diving would give a slight advantage by washing

>This is not so much a case of having less N2 after flying, as it is a matter
>of how you are physically after flying.  If you have a short flight with
>very little stress, are well hydrated then doing a dive probably is not to much
>of a problem.  If it is a trans-continental flight, or worse a trans oceanic
>flight to some distant location, then you might be better off waiting a day to
>dive.  That way your body will have time to adjust to the new time zone.  You
>will have time to eat some "real FOOD" ;-), instead of airplane food.  You will
>get some good rest and be better able to handle a dive.

Very sensible advice.  If you are going on a long trip (I like to 
dive in Hawaii when possible) and you must get wet when you land,
then go for a snorkel rather than a dive.

"Get Wet, It Pays!"

Cheers,
Phil
From: lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Need Some Advice
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:48:46 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



 In the beginning of December I will be getting my certification.
I know almost nill about diving and gear, other than that I want to
do it. Can anyone recommend the best equipment for beginning? And
bear in mind that I am working on a limited budget since I am spending
around $450 dollars for the instruction. I have use of a friends gear
until I get my own, but I would like to get my own as quickly as possible.

Thanks in advance.

-Tom Fox
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: pstonge@trentu.ca (CMDR P.D. Keener)
Subject: Sources
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:   Research; Training; nitrox; rebreather;
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:33:00 GMT

Greetings from somewhere near the Great White North.  Was wondering if 
anyone out there could help me out.  I'm looking for agencies concerned 
with research diving in general, and the use of nitrox or rebreathers in 
particular.  I am looking to get the training required to get started in 
this area.
     I'd also love to hear from all of you who have used SCUBA (open or 
closed circuit) or snorkelling in reseach of any kind.  BTW, anybody up my 
way (Northern Ontario) looking for some decent diving - my idea of decent 
diving might be a little cooler and a little less visibility than yours...
	Tanks a lot, everyone!

Pete St. Onge, 3rd yr Environmental and Resource Sciences major, Trent 
University, Peterborough ON CANADA.  (Oh, and NAUI Advanced diver too!)

 - "blub blub blub blub"  Overheard at depth.  8-)
From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Helmet-mounted dive lights
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:11:25 GMT
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada

In article <7833@transfer.stratus.com> gd@blublaze.sw.stratus.com (Greg Dawe) writes:

>I'd like hear from any net.divers who have experience either making a light
>helmet, and who've used them (home-made or store-bought).  You can reply on
>the net, or directly to me (use the address in my signature, not the address
>from which I've posted, please).  Also, please note, that attaching one of
>those tiny lights that you can get for your mask straps is not an option
>here because I wear my mask strap inside my hood.  Thanks in advance.

I purchased a Dive-Rite helmet last winter after my buddy cracked his skull 
(well hit it at least) in a cave doing a zero vis buddy team line exit.
(Glad he was leading and not me :-}.)  I use a dive rite mini 12 light.
Many dive shops sell holders for these lights.  You simply attach the holder
to your helmet (I used bolts, another buddy of mine tie-wraps), and then
you can place the light in the holder (or remove it) any time you like.
More than one light can be attached to your helmet.  (I think the most I've 
seen is three (3).)

The downside of the light up there is, you blind anyone you look at, and 
light signals are more restricted (circle your head to give to OK signal).
All things considered, though, I usually have my light mounted.  An option
to mounting is to hang your light over your shoulder.  My power pack is
strapped to the outside of my left tank.  By having the cord come around
behind me, I can hang the light on my right shoulder and more or less direct
the light at what I want to see.

As a slight asside, do you carry a spare mask?  If so, how would you change
masks during a dive if your mask strap is inside your hood?  I have a similar
problem with wearing a helmet and mits.  My compromise is to only do half of 
the strap up on the helmet, so I can easily grab the loose end and get the
helmet off if I have to.  With the strap fully done up, I would never be able
to get it off and put on my backup mask.


>Greg Dawe                        | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer,

craig
-- 
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Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Best schools for diving careers.
Date: 4 Nov 92 08:52:58 GMT
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.

I was reading some article in Skin Diver about careers in diving. 

I am some what of an avid diver and diving as a career kind of sparced
my interest. What are the best schools for resort training and commercial
diving. I live in Portland, Or but I don't mind relocating if needed.

I am also interested in knowing about how much it costs, what the job out
looks are like and the pay for newly certified trainers or commercial 
divers.


-- 
Brian Sheets		    _   /|  	"TRUCK?! What truck?"
153 N. Hayden Bay Dr.	    \`o_O'    	 
Portland, Or 97217	      ( ) 	   -Raiders of the Lost Ark
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: ers@xgml.com (Eric R. Skinner)
Subject: Re: Has Pro-Dive in Cairns ever killed anyone?
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:15:20 GMT

In article <PHILG.92Nov6234547@zug.ai.mit.edu> philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>My friend Bruce says that Pro-Dive in Cairns gave him his advanced
>certification in 3 days/2 nights for Aus$300 (US$225?) and that it was
>an OK outfit.  Does anyone have an opinion about Pro-Dive or any other
>place in Cairns that would suit a grad student's budget?
>
>I'm going to land in Cairns on Dec13.  Can I expect mobs of people and
>booked-up dive boats?  Also, what will the water temps be?  I've
>snorkeled in 70 degree water (21C) in the Red Sea and was
>uncomfortably cold even with a wetsuit top.

I did my open water cert at Pro-Dive Cairns in May of this year.
It was a well-run outfit, very professional in my opinion.  I don't
know what type of crowds you'll get in December (I'm planning to be 
back there in January) but the water should be quite warm.  It was
comfortable in May (their winter) with a shorty suit.

Have fun!

-- 
Eric R. Skinner                ers@xgml.com
Exoterica Corporation   Tel +1 613 722 1700
Ottawa, Canada          Fax +1 613 722 5706
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:30:30 -0500 
From: Erik Robin Ogan <bamboula+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Tortola, St. John, Virgin Gorda et. al

    Hello, My family is planning a (return) trip to the BVI, sailing a
boat around the Tortola/St. John area. This time I hope to do some
diving (assuming one of the members of the other family completes his OW
by that time, or my dive buddy can figure out a way down there.)
    What I am currently investigating are dive-sites in the area bounded
(more or less) by: Tortola, St John,  Jost Van Dyke, and Virgin Gorda as
well as some of the smaller islands in the immediate area.

We are planning our "itenerary" (currently amounts to "Leave Tortola")
and would like some advice on local undersea attractions (and maybe some
dry ones you think we might not know about.)

Thanks....
:-)
bamboula+@cmu.edu
o . . _O-q
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Skin Diver Assault on Nitrox
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:28:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: herboid.1992Nov07.002804.24292
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society

Karl Schutz <Karl_Schutz@rand.ORG> writes:
> ...
>Bill Gleason repeatedly qualified his objections of nitrox use by "recreational 
>divers."  His tone was toward the reader ... you, the reader, should say no to 
>nitrox; not, let's ban nitrox for all divers.

So, if I understand correctly, he's saying that if you're smart enough
to stop reading Scam Divers Monthly, you could be smart enough to use
nitrox?  :-)
-- 
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adb@herboid.uucp | adb@geac.com      | 100% of your daily requirement for
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: lui@netcom.com (Stephen Lui)
Subject: Lycra Dive Skins
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:08:54 GMT

I'm looking to buy some lycra dive skins to wear underneath my wetsuit and
to use alone for warm water diving (not in CA of course!). I'm considering
mail ordering the lycra skins from Perfomance Diver which has the best
price ($37.95-42.95. Has anyone had experience ordering from Performance
or with lycra skins? I'm familar with lycra because most of my biking clothes
are made of the material but I'm unfamilar in the diving context.

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: decom diving
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:33:07 GMT

In article <19926.4232.9809@dosgate> "cheryl applebaum" <cheryl.applebaum@canrem.com> writes:
>Hi All!
>
>I need some help here.... I am working on a story with some people. Part
>of the plot involves a character who dives.  Since I only have Rec diving
>experience (PADI Advanced OW) I have no real knowledge of professional or
>decompression diving.
>
>I was wondering if anyone could offer some info on decomp dive tables, or
>perhaps tell me what book I can find them in, etc.
>
>Any help you can give me is much appreciated.
>
>Thanx,
>~CA~
>
>---
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Cheryl, 
	If you can be more specific in your request, I'll see if I can 
	help you out.  (I'm more or less local...located in scenic Pickering,
	the Epicentre of the Universe :-))

	(Now to prepare for ANOTHER round of 'Hitting on the scuba babe'
	 accusations...:-})

craig
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NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: fgz@ddxrus.enet.dec.com (Federico Genoese-Zerbi)
Subject: REPOST: Charter in Papua New Guinea...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:30:01 PST
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Some friends of mine and I have chartered a liveaboard in Papua New
Guinea for 13 days in December 1993 (the earliest the boat was
available!)  We're still looking for a few people to finish filling
it up.

If you are interested, contact me.

The cost is $3640, and that includes unlimited diving, food, and time
on the boat.  The boat is the Australian liveaboard the FeBrina -- a
very good boat with a great crew (you're the master of your own
diving).

F.
fgz@ddxrus.enet.dec.com

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Ice Ice Baby
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:31:39 GMT

Ray Izumi <ray@tsw.UUCP> writes:
> ... He
>did say that you can't use the reg until you get in the water because the
>moisture from your breath will condense and freeze up the workings. Apparently,
>once you're in the water, the salt keeps this from happening.

This is part of the ice diving training I got.  Outdoors on a winter day,
with air temperatures below freezing, the regulator can get quite cold. 
Moisture from your breath will freeze, as you say.  However, liquid water
tends not to be much colder than 0C/32F (salt water, or rapidly flowing
freshwater, can be a bit colder), and your regulator has a better chance
of continuing to work at temperatures where water remains liquid.

Usual practise on an ice dive is to dunk the regulator just under the
water, then duck your head under and stick it in your mouth.
-- 
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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:11:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Helmet-mounted dive lights
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.scuba

In rec.scuba, gd@blublaze.sw.stratus.com (Greg Dawe) writes:

|

[...]

|
|I'd like hear from any net.divers who have experience either making a light
|helmet, and who've used them (home-made or store-bought).  

I've seen, but not tried (no need yet) a mask, sold by Tekna, with an optional
light; the light is mounted on the hard plastic part above the bridge of the 
nose, so the light is in front of your forehead.  There is a hinge to adjust 
elevation, but sideways rotation is via your neck (no light remote 
control :-)).  The model is "Mask 3" or "Mask 5".

lawrence

|
|-- 
|Greg Dawe                        | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer,
|Voice : (508)-490-6666           |             nor they for me...
|e-mail: Greg_Dawe@vos.stratus.com|
From: warren@beach.hampton.sgi.com (Warren McLain)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: US Divers vs Sherwood
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:32:32 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

>Just one little data point from personal experience:  I've had a
>Conshelf SE2 freeze and free-flow on me whilst ice-diving.  My
>Poseidon's have never done that despite more ice-dives whilst using
>them.
>-- 
>Regards,
>        Russell
Interesting, I have a conshelf 12 which I used while in Scotland and never
had
any problems with it freezing. It has been one of the most reliable
regulators
that I have ever seen.
-- 
Warren McLain
SSE Hampton Va.                   When in doubt, PUNT
email warren@hampton.sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: davidw@cie.uoregon.edu (David Weingarten)
Subject: testing...
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:29:54 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan)
Subject: Re: Need Bahama info (again)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:08:20 GMT

In article <mdege.6.721591633@novell.com> mdege@novell.com (Mike Dege) writes:

   Hi again -

      Yesterday I posted a request for info on the Bahamas. Since this
   was my first post on this network using new software I am not sure 
   that my request was actually posted outside my local net.  No one
   has yet responded.  Could someone please respond to this to let me
   know if I am making it to the outside world.  I am sending from Novell
   in Provo, Utah, USA.   Thanks ....

Hello, I hear you, but then I'm not too far away. No info on the Bahamas though.
How's the job situation down there?



				Richard
From: accapadi@mathew.austin.ibm.com (Matt Accapadi)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Ripped off in Cozumel by Oscar Torres
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:03:30 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In September, a friend and I did some diving in Cozumel with 
Del Mar Aquatics.  A guy named Oscar Torres does all the video
shooting on Del Mar's boats.  We agreed to pay for a tape of our
dive that was taken by him.  However, he said that he couldn't edit
the tape before our plane left, but that he would mail it to us.
Of course, we didn't like that idea, but we had no choice; he said we
would have to pay first which we did.  He never did mail us the tape, and
after many, many phone calls to Cozumel, he kept promising he would send it,
but he has yet to deliver.

So if anyone goes to Cozumel, stay away from this guy.  Even better, make
sure that he knows that his antics are now known by the entire world.  This
guy is a real loser, and we would like to really fuck with his world for
cheating us.

Also, if anyone goes there to Del Mar, can you see if he's around and try
to get the tape from him?  The tape was for Romen Kuloor and Matt Accapadi.
We will pay for the shipping if you can get the tape.  Our dive master
was a guy named Ceasar; he's pretty cool and he know's about Oscar.  If you
see Ceasar or anyone else at Del Mar (located across from Sol Carribe Hotel),
tell them that they are now under the spotlight of everyone around the
world reading Rec.scuba.

Please help us get our tape or at least seek revenge on this bastard!


-- 
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