From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: Re: More Miami vs. the SEC (was Re: SEC shoots itself in the foot)
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:28:02 GMT

Timothy C Pitts (v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: In article <409@rd1.interlan.com>, tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes...
: #Big East.  It was a matter of bad timing, if the SEC had asked earlier,
: #Miami would have probably accepted.  However, by the time the SEC started
: #to show some interest it was too late.  
: 
: I think this is untrue.  I don't think Miami was interested in the slightest
: in joining the SEC.  There have been considerable differences between Miami
: and the SEC for more years than most readers on this net have been alive.
: Miami for decades wanted nothing more than to be a member of the SEC.  In 
: the 50s the SEC refused because some of the schools were afraid Miami might 
: integrate and they had rules against playing teams with blacks (or at least
: had some serious reservations).  Of course, it turned out that Miami was
: one of the last schools to integrate, but that was the excuse (pardon me if
: this is the wrong school) that the Georgia Tech president used.  Overtures
: by the Miami administration were made until the late 60s/early 70s to no
: avail:  the SEC simply was not interested.  After the Dolphins came to 
: South Florida, Hurricane football plummetted as fans were hard to come by.
: When Miami made its resurgence in the late 70s/early 80s, somehow the SEC
: teams were unwilling to continue scheduling the same Miami team they had
: happily put on the schedule in the 50s and 60s.  Of course, LSU allowed 
: Miami the pleasure of gracing the field in Death Valley in 1988, but they 
: wouldn't repay the favor by visiting the Orange Bowl.  Given the treatment 
: Miami has received from the SEC, I would say it would have been stupid to 
: accept membership if the SEC had even been willing to extend it (which I 
: am unconvinced they ever would have).  I should note that Miami is not the 
: only school to get this sort of treatment from the SEC:  FSU had as many 
: problems over the same period, hence a similar result.
: 
: On the topic of whether SEC teams have refused to play Miami I have the
: following suggestions.  I think it is clear that there are several SEC 
: schools who have distinctly *rejected* Miami offers for home-and-home 
: series.  The first and foremost is Florida (I don't think reasons need
: to be listed).  Georgia hasn't played a non-conference game outside Georgia
: or South Carolina in nearly thirty years why would it choose Miami as the
: school for which to break that streak, I also suggest that recent 
: tennis and basketball home-and-homes with UGA point to the fact that there
: has been discussion between the ADs and that there is no home-and-home 
: football series forthcoming is evidence that Georgia is uninterested.
: Jason claims that Auburn has offered to play, but only if both games are
: at Auburn.  South Carolina has previously refused to ever schedule Miami
: again.  That Miami played at LSU and there was no game at the Orange Bowl
: seems to speak for itself.  
: 
: Of 12 current SEC schools, only Arkansas, South Carolina, (who were not 
: then members of the SEC) and Florida have been willing to visit the Orange 
: Bowl since Miami won its first NC (and whether Florida was really willing 
: or just contractually obligated is still at issue ;-).  That Miami has played
: a home-and-home series that was agreed to after Miami's first NC with at 
: least one team from every other major conference suggests that the SEC is 
: either too arrogant or too chicken to play Miami.  I suggest the following 
: classification:
: 
: 1.  Arrogant or chicken schools that will play Miami only at home:  
:      LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn
: 
: 2.  Schools that refuse to schedule Miami period:  
:      South Carolina
: 
: 3.  Schools that have scheduled Miami recently and probably would again:
:      Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Arkansas
: 
: 4.  As yet unclassified:  
:      Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky
: 
: It would be my guess that Miami has approached at least Alabama and Tennessee
: in that last group and they more appropriately belong in group 1, but I
: have no (even circumstantial) evidence except to say that the ADs probably
: talked at the respective Sugar Bowls.
: 
: ___
: 
: Timothy C. Pitts             
: Canada US Trade Center
: Department of Geography
: University at Buffalo        
: V262XXVE@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu


	I'd like to comment on the fact that South Carolina would not
	agree to schedule Miami in the future.

	The last meeting with S.C. and Miami was highlighted with showboating
	& taunting to the point where an all out brawl took place on the
	field.  This game was televised and South Carolina was treated
	very poorly by the Miami fans and coaching staff.  Such treatment of
	of visiting teams cannot be tolerated.  The problem is there is 
	little one can do to alleviate these situations except the refusal to
	schedule games against the offending team in the future.  At the time
	Miami was coached by Jimmy Johnson (I think that's his name) who is
	now coaching the Dallas Cowboys.  Things have not changed much since
	his departure.  Football is a very emotional sport and some show of
	emotion is appropriate and even applauded but there have to be
	constraints and standards to uphold.  When taunting and showboating
	result in bench clearing brawls and a teams' refusal to play you
	due to those actions it's time to examine yourself and make necessary 
	changes and even take disiplinary action if that's required to
	maintain control.  (BTW, South Carolina only lost by four points
	and was never out of the game so the theory of "scared to play Miami"
	does not hold water)


	Go Gamecocks!!!!


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