HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: BAAAAAAAD!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:59:42 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct30.051152.29763@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>mcsbc3rdl@dct.ac.uk writes:
>: In article <1992Oct26.151835.807@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:
>: > TV-Drug of the masses.
>: > 
>: > While I'm not necesarrily condoning drug use (NOT!!!), isn't it stupid to
>: > keep relatively harmless drugs like cannabis illegal.  Why isn't alcohol
>: > banned, it was all fields around here when I was a kid, etc etc
>: 
>: I agree with the above, alcohol is a serious threat to our existance upon this
>: planet. If everyone smoked dope however things would be very different. People
>: would have no need for pointless political and financial gain and would resort
>: to the simple pleasures of life.
>
>I disagree. Alcohol, like any drug, can be abused. It is the person who
>abuses a drug, any drug, and endangers others in the process who is the
>danger. The drug, by itself, is harmless and can threaten no one.
>
>Bill

You all sound high.
B}
					--Judex--
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Info needed on Spanish Fly !!!!!
From: 9127847h@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:40:43 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia


Hello to all......

A friend of mine spiked his next door neighbours drink with
Spanish Fly.... and a few minutes later she was rubbing herself
and then she tore his clothes off and made passionate love to him...

I was just wondering if Spanish fly really is that good.....and where
can you purchase this aphrodisiac ?????? 

thanx........

....Kostas......
From: ck041@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Currie)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Indoor Pot Growing
Date: 8 Nov 1992 23:50:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


	Is there a FAQ for pot growing?   Does anybody know about growing
one indoors?  How much light,water, etc??
 
-- 
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 Calculate the socal cost,          |      Kevin Currie
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From: ap.6362@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Scopalamine?
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.6362@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:11:18 GMT


I read earlier about someone who claimed to have had several experiments
with belladona/scopalamine. Would anyone care to step foreward and please
tell me if there is a safe way to administer it to the recepient? 


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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: More misinformation????(X-stasy)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:50:12 GMT

howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:
: 
: >There have been a few cases in Britain of people dying of brain heamorages and 
: >the like after aledgedly taking X.
: 
: Highly unlikely that this is true.
: 

Maybe, maybe not.  According to "Ecstasy: The MDMA Story" by Bruce Eisner,
responsible researchers will not administer it to anyone with high blood
pressure because for the first hour or so it does in fact elevate blood
pressure nearly universally.  Very high blood pressure can in fact cause
a stroke.  From the book, according to researcher George Greer:

	MDMA should not be taken by people with the following
	physical conditions: hypertension, heart disease, siezures
	hyperthyroidsm, diabetes mellitus, hypoglycemia, glaucoma,
	diminished liver function, actual or possible pregnancy,
	or breast feeding...

While most of these are precautionary, the increase in blood pressure
was shown clearly in a physiological study of 21 users done by Dr.
Joseph Downing.

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

        "One can learn to be alone, even enjoy it but let intimacy
         break that solitude, even briefly, and he must start all
         over again."

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From: jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel Alexander Charney)
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE ACID MOVIE!!
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:04:38 GMT
Reply-To: jcherney@reed.edu

In article <1992Nov7.183557.25351@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
> In article <Bx9nIz.JAK@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
> >Quest for Fire.
> 
> Don't you mean "Quest For Somebody who Already Has Fire"?
> Other than the scene at the beginning with the caveman "entering from
> the Rear", so to speak, this bored the hell out of me, straight or not.
> 
> Might I suggest the horribly silly, but fun, "Demon Seed".
> Turn the sound down and put on some "Nihilist Spasm Band" or something.
> <just my scrawny little opinion>

It's an OLD thread, but what the hell...

Anyone ever seen the movie "The Wizard of Speed and Time"?  I swear, it  
must have been made with trippers in mind.  It's about a guy who makes a  
special-effects short for some budget "Hollywood Studios."  I can't  
remember much of the plot, but the movie was hilarious and trippy as hell.
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: sad sad very sad
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:18:00 GMT
    <1992Nov12.234340.7060@netcom.com>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Nov12.234340.7060@netcom.com>, rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>mcsdc1rs@dct.ac.uk writes:
>: 
>: its time for change
>: its time for guarana
>: 
>: no drugs should be used for enjoyment
>: if you take drugs there must be something missing in your life
>
>I wish that mcsdc1rs, if he/she is
>serious would elaborate on what else might be missing.  An awful lot of
>people really do believe this and I honestly would like to hear the
>rationale.  Let's grant the author flame immunity to hear his/her
>side.

There have been several posts from dct.ac.uk lately.  One guy seems to be
fishing for flames, another says that site is censored, so they can't read
our posts (but we can read theirs).  I think the best policy is just to
put that host in your kill file (I wish *my* newsreader had a kill
feature!).

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: yet another synthesis requested
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:38:59 GMT

mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
: The thought has often entered my mind to extract and purify THC into its purest
: state - a beautiful white crystalline powder.

No, it is an oil.

: 
: Although alcohol will dissolve the THC from the plant, how can one get the THC
: out of the alcohol without converting any THC into CBDs?

Put the container with the extraction in boiling water for an hour or so.

Bob

-- 
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Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: Junkies/crack addicts don't try to share the fun?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:03:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.010008.28440@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>>:
>>:    Yep, I also greatly enjoy Pb(C2H5)4 for breakfast.
>>
>>If you can find leaded gasoline. It is rare or non-existant, in most
>>states.
>>
>>Bill
>
>	Problem is, this alleged incident happened somewhere in Ontario.
>Ontario is not yet (until the Canadian civil war) a state.

		Thank  you.
>
>J.P. "Canadians have high octane raison boxes" Papai

You  can't find leaded gasoline here in  Ontario, either
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   200 college st / toronto ON / M5S 1A4 // 416 978 3106
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Guarana
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:16:35 GMT
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <1992Nov5.064616.1666@dsd.es.com> rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:

   >In article <1992Nov4.201010.7235@nntp.hut.fi>
	   k35647d@taltta.hut.fi (Sari Susanna Turunen) writes:
   >>Does anyone know about guarana? Can you compare it with any *drug? Guarana
   >>is a root from Brazil (the Amazonas). The indians used (and still do,
   >>I guess) it for staying awake for long periods. Now it's easy to get it
   >>from any pharmacy in Brazil.

   >Believe it or not, it is also incredibly easy to get in Salt Lake
   >City, Utah (hah! and you thought we were all backwards!).

   >The local "rave" club has been selling "think drinks", some of which
   >contain guarana extract.  And yes, it did keep me awake :).

The reason it is easy to get is because Guarana is perfectly legal to
use in the U.S.  It is available in health food stores and through the
mail from vitamin companies. 


-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE ACID MOVIE!!
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:35:57 GMT

In article <Bx9nIz.JAK@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>Quest for Fire.
>
>---
>Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
>
>  ####    ####
> #    #  #    #                            Shark attack!
> #       #    #                            Aaaaaaaaaaaa!
> #  ###  #    #                            Get out of the water!
> #    #  #    #
>  ####    ####
>

Don't you mean "Quest For Somebody who Already Has Fire"?
Other than the scene at the beginning with the caveman "entering from
the Rear", so to speak, this bored the hell out of me, straight or not.

Might I suggest the horribly silly, but fun, "Demon Seed".
Turn the sound down and put on some "Nihilist Spasm Band" or something.
<just my scrawny little opinion>
Pax
					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: kfseefel@mtu.edu (KURT F. SEEFELDT)
Subject: Re: Ephedrone ('Russian Speed')
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:10:32 GMT

In article <eesnyder.721247669@beagle> eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder) writes:
>ahead@nyx.cs.du.edu (Adam Head) writes:
>
>
>>Ephedrone is simply ephedrine with the OH group converted to an O attached
>>by a double bond.  
>
>What you have described is methylcathinone.  Has this been specifically 
>scheduled?
>

Yes. On May 2, 1992 the DEA placed this into Schedule I under their
'emergency scheduling' policy. This was done after finding five
labs in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. It is also known as CAT.

The Detroit News had an article about it not too long ago. This 
article was written without any real knowledge about the substance.
They claimed that it was immediately addictive to 90% of those who
try it and that it causes trip of six DAYS. Thanks to the Detroit News
for educating the public about another drug.

- kurt <kfseefel@mtu.edu>
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Subject: <None>
From: mhoover@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:19:53 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] hbwr
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:03:43 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

fehlers@cs.utexas.edu (Todd Ehlers) writes:
>well, try again.
>i posted my experience here a couple of days ago.
>i've taken acid probably about 20 times in my life, all doses (except the first time)
>being at least 3 hits, and most closer to 5 or 6.
>the 20 hbwr seed i took were far more mind expanding than any acid i've ever taken.
>well, not really expanding, it became a point of light in an infinite void.

Where does one get HBWR seeds besides mail order?  what type of store?

>i also have a question, do any of you chem people out there know about the soluability
>of lsa (the active ingredient in hbwr seeds)?  about 3 months ago a friend of mine tried
>soaking the crushed (in a coffee grinder again) seeds in rum over night, and made jello
>with the rum the next day.  the hope was the lsa would be alcohol soluable, while the
>pulp, which was strained off, was the cause for most of the illness.  anyway, nothing
>happened in terms of sickness or tripping.

Well, my guess would be that if it was heated when you made the jello that
you lost the LSA at that step.

>ps: would it help to remove the stricnine that they put on the seeds if i bubbled
>them up thru vitamin C enriched orange juice in my water pipe, or would i need to
>get a bong? :)

No, what you want to do is reflux the seeds and the OJ for four
hours on an oil bath.  I find it works really good if you also crush up
some banana peels and place that in the solution to add some Musa
Sapientum Bananadine to the end product -- peanuts work good also.
 
-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ahead@nyx.cs.du.edu (Adam Head)
Subject: Ephedrone ('Russian Speed')
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 12:57:18 GMT


In the West illegal manufacture of methamphetamine ('speed') usually
proceeds from the reduction of ephedrine.  In Russia ephedrine is
more commonly reacted with Potassium Permanganate to produce ephedrone.

Ephedrone is simply ephedrine with the OH group converted to an O attached
by a double bond.  Apparently it has stimulant properties greater than
ephedrine but less than methamphetamine.  It would be a legal drug
in many countries.  Has anyone any more information about this one?

The information is in a Chemical Abstracts summary of an article in
J. Forensic Science.
From: chumbach@carina.unm.edu (Charles S. Humbach)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re:  Acid info...can't get up
Keywords: seven hits and nothing
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:09:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov12.114559.25034@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.51309.22970@ms.uky.edu> jbwell02@nx26.mik.uky.edu (john b wells) writes:
>>Hey guys...let me ask you question...a foaf took 2 1/2 hits six days ago.
>>that night...he had one of the best visual trips of his life...today...
>>he got more of the same shit and took four...nothing.  then he took
>>three more...still nothing.  maybe just a little, but he's had better
>
>well, A certain group of FOAFs have empiracly determined that the ideal
>resting/recharging period between drops is 2-3 WEEKS!  Its possible that

I think you might have been ripped off. A friend of a friend of mine
has dosed every 3 days for 3 weeks at a time only having to increase  
the dose 25-50% each time.

					  		CH
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From: SBGC <SBGC@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: <none>
Organization: McGill University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:01:28 GMT

shu ya

Xref: sparky alt.drugs:18057 oc.general:111 la.general:892
From: mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey)
Subject: Orange County Hemp Council Meeting
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,oc.general,la.general
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:06:11 GMT
Followup-To: ca 


The Orange County Hemp Council (OCHC) will have a meeting.

Where:       Murdy Park
             Huntington Beach, CA
             Corner of Goldenwest and Warner
             In the covered Pavillian area

When:        Tuesday, November 10, 1992    7PM


The Orange County Hemp Coalition is a 500 member group of friends and
activists dedicated to re-legalizing the use of hemp for fuel, fiber,
and recreational purposes.


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From: braindl@uhura.aston.ac.uk (DL BRAIN)
Subject: Re: SKINNER IS SAD
Organization: Aston University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:45:50 GMT

Oh God can't you keep this somwhere else..like not let it out of Dundee.
 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Subject: Re: DMSO as carrier?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:09:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.225105.20690@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>for the curious, avoid vetrinary or industrial DMSO, they contain lead
>and other weird not-good-for-you things. 
>LSD mixed with DMSO has been a popular semi-legend for
>years. Abbie Hoffman talks about it in "Steal This Book". He calls it     
>"Lace" and recommends carrying it in a water pistol when you go to 
>demonstrations. Be interesting to see if anyone ever did...
>Some fictional works have  used the idea, and have heads squirting cops
>on the back of the neck with it, but can anyone come up with a real 
>instance of this?

This happens quite frequently at Dead shows, at least based upon anecdotal
evidence.  When it's hot, people frequently walk around with spray bottles
cooling people off.  Dump in some DMSO and <insert favorite molecule here>
and presto! insta-asshole.

chow,
bobo
bowman@reed.edu
Bigger, Slower, More Expensive...Pick any 3
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: chlorpromazine
From: mhoover@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:26:56 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Chlorpromazine (also called Thorazine) is classified as a major tranquilizer
and may only be obtain with a prescription.  Its uses are vast.  It is
prescribed as an antipsychotic just as frequently as it is prescribed as a
preoperative sedative or for nausea and vomiting.  It also has been prescribed
for intractable hiccups!!!

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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: HELP fast with farming
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:44:54 GMT

Sounds like nitrogen overdose and I have no idea how to reverse it but
it can be avoided completely by using only blood meal as your nitrogen
source.  It exists in a complex form in blood meal and I have been told
that there is some kind of natural buffering that prevents it from being
released when concentrations exceed just about optimal.  15 years ago
I used it exclusively for about five years with spectacular results and
not a single loss.

Bob
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Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

        "One can learn to be alone, even enjoy it, but let intimacy
         break that solitude, even briefly, and one must start all
         over again."

                                                     Elia Kazan


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From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.rave
Subject: FDA gives approval to testing of ecstasy
Date: 13 Nov 1992 20:44:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu


From: Derek Chung <dhchung@us.oracle.com>
To: sfraves@soda.berkeley.edu, socal-raves@ucsd.edu
Subject: FDA gives approval to testing of Ecstasy


from yesterday's SF Examiner [I guess they think
somebody in the community is interested in this :) ]


FDA gives approval to testing of Ecstasy

By Sarah Pekkanen
States News Service

(reprinted without permission)

WASHINGTON - In an unprecedented decision,
the Food and Drug Administration has 
cleared the way for a UC-Irvine researcher
to study the effects of a hallucinogenic 
drug known as MDMA, or Ecstasy, on human
subjects.

Dr. Charles Grob last week won FDA approval
for his study, expected to take place at the 
campus in two months.

During Grob's study, six health professionals,
who have not yet been selected, will take two
low-level doses of the drug and a placebo
during three separate sessions to determine
the effect of the drug.

The FDA approval is a major breakthrough for
researchers who have, with few exceptions,
been denied permission to administer hal-
lucinogens, including LSD, to human subjects
since officials moved to outlaw the drugs in
the late 1960s.

Rick Doblin, president of a non-profit
organization called the Multidiscipliary
Association for Psychedelic Studies, said
the subjects will be volunteers who all took
Ecstasy before it was outlawed by the FDA
in 1985.

The subjects have already assumed any risks
associated with the drug, which may also have
contributed to the FDA approval, Doblin said.

The six volunteers participating in the drug
study will be subject to a battery of non-
invasive tests, including mood status, analysis
of pain reduction and cognitive tests, said
Grob.

Grob still has two more hurdles to clear
before his study can take place:  He must win
approval from the Drug Enforcement Administration
and the California Research Advisory Panel.
Doblin said he did not expect either agency
to oppose the study.

The drug Ecstasy has been reported to increase
self-confidence and self-acceptance and induce
feelings of empathy and love, which could make
it a useful tool for psychotherapists, some
researchers say.

Although negative side effects of the drug include
decreased appetite and decreased desire to 
perform mental or physical tasks, the drug may
also help alleviate pain, which could benefit
certain terminally ill patients, Doblin said.

Grob said he hopes to eventually win FDA approval
for a study that would involve administering the
drug to end-stage cancer patients.


________________________________________________
 Derek Chung			Oracle Graphics	
 dhchung@oracle.com 		  (415)506-6195
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: DMSO as carrier?
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:07:48 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>: Seth Malcolm Redmore <sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>: >DMSO will carry "stuff" through the skin with it, however
>: >its use in transderm patches is limited to those drugs which
>: >require < 10-15 mg per day.  (Yes, I'll get the reference on this,
>: >if anyone cares.)
>: 
>: So what else is used in transderm patches, or is that it?

>Nicotine and dramamine are two that I know of. I expect there are
>others.

Nicotine and dramamine will carry other drugs through the skin?
I'd never read about that one.
JD
From: honig@dixie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD manufacture
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:12:30 GMT
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren


 ketil@ii.uib.no writes:
>Not to be picky here, but (well, maybe a little bit picky) I thought
>LSD is inorganic?  Also, I thought it wasn't really that difficult to
>manufacture, but I could be wrong, of course.  On all accounts. :-)
>
>-ketil

The only inorganic psychotropics are N20 and the lithium ion.
--
David Honig

"Don't you believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear." ---Lou
Reed
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