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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 04:19:00 BSC
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From:         GELSON GOMES <GELSON@BRFAPESP.BITNET>
Subject:      Mastering INTERNET TOOLS

         "Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power" -
                    "The InterMeta Course"

     Begining on October 10, the InterMeta Course will describe
the History of the Metanetwork and cover the basic utilities used
to access the network, as well as to guide users through the
Internet's, Bitnet's, (and othernets') "databases of databases"
to access files and archives available. Some of the topics to be
presented in the InterMeta Course are how to (1)Remote Login,
(2)Use Electronic Mail, (3)Move a File, (4)Find Software,
(5)Locate a Person, (3)Deal with Network Problems. An index that
covers a selection of resources available on the Internet,
ranging from Card Catalogs to Archives for USENET news will also
be delivered.
     In addition, some sessions will help UNIX, VMS, VAX and DOS
users to interface their systems to the Net.
     Resulting from five years of researching and using the
Network, the InterMeta Course is being prepared by Gelson
Gomes, Ph.D. The InterMeta is the first experience of a Global
Scale Course utilizing a matrix of connected networks, the
Metanetwork.
     Dr. Gomes is a professor at the Federal University of Parana
and is conducting research on the Computer Industries of Brazil
and Taiwan. He got his Doctoral Degree on Science and Technology
Public Policy at The George Washington University (Washington
D.C.).
     The course will be ministered from Brazil; to help
recovering local communication costs, (PDN is very expensive in
Brazil) a flat $ 5 US dollars donation is requested.
     To enroll in the InterMeta Course, please fill in the
application bellow and E-Mail to: Gelson@BRFAPESP.
____________________________________________________________
       Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
                     The InterMeta Course
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Mail your check to:
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:14:48 -0400
From:         MEG04@ALBNYDH2.BITNET
Subject:      by-stander

 NYS has no legal requirement that an off-duty EMT render assistance
 under any circumstances.  Having "EMT" license plates, wearing an EMT
 patch, etc. do not change the lack of duty.

 The public relations aspect of this are a different matter, of course.

 .                           Mike Gilbertson
 .                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: EMT certified bystander
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:40:04 GMT


Audrey writes:  "...One night I saw two ambulances by one of the
dorms..."  
My two cents' worth is that one the ambulances were on the scene
there was probably enough help. If campus police were there the
university obviously knew someone was having a medical emergency,
and they should have known if the patient was deaf or not. 
Depending on the nature of the call, hearing ability may have 
been pretty much a moot point. (Sorry, but in Ohio, when I see
two ambulances the first thing I think is "non-breather").

David makes a good suggestion when he writes "...approach the
administration with a group of individuals like yourself in
hopes of forming a first responder group..." This is a great
idea on every campus. You could start something that you could
be proud of!

Alan also makes a good point when he asks why you don't (can't?)
join the university student life staff. I, too, have never
heard that term. I'm curious as to what it is. 

Anyway, please don't think I'm callous or snobbish, but once
the guys who are getting paid to do the job get on the scene,
they know their own proceedures and protocols. They work
as a team (usually :-) ) without a lot of unnecessary and
time-consuming explanations to each other. Not that someone
else couldn't do the job just as well, just that the greatest
efficiency is achieved when everyone works comfortably together.
Personally, if someone has started treatment before I get on
the scene, whether it's splinting a fracture or starting CPR,
if it looks at all like they know what they're doing, I figure
the patient is lucky, because they didn't have to wait the two
or three minutes it usually takes us to respond. But once I 
get on the scene, it's MY BUTT if someone else does something not in accordance 
to our SOPs. 
Well, that's my two cents.

-- 
When all is said and done, I'd                          Ed
rather be remembered for what
I've done than what I've said. - - - {Said by Ed!}
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle)
Subject: Re: CPR with a toilet plunger
Keywords: CPR PLUNGER
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:10:25 GMT

sprouse@n3igw.pgh.pa.us (Ken Sprouse) writes:

>This is from a monthly news letter passed out at work.

>More on Toilet Plunger for CPR

>We reported in the April 1991 issue that a mans' life was saved when his
>son used a household toilet plunger in an emergency CPR technique after
>the father experienced a heart attack.  The plunger was placed on the
>father's chest and pumped up and down until he regained consciousness.

>Researchers investigated the successful technique and now believe it
>could save more lives than standard CPR.  The procedure, now being
>tested on animals, uses a special suction device similar to the plunger.
>The test produced positive results within two minutes of use compared to
>one hour of standard CPR.

>The device, called ACD (active compression-decompression resuscitation),
>may become the preferred technique when human tests are completed. 
>SOURCES : The American Medical Association; Uinversity of California,
>San Francisco


Is there any conjecture at this point as to why this procedure seems to be
more effective?  Is somone going to develop a toilet plunger with a collapsible
handle that will fit in a jump bag?



 --

 |  Timothy A. Cottle                  |                                    |
 |  Workstation Systems Development    |      Gegen Dummheit kampfen        | 
 |  Intergraph Corp.                   |      Gotter selbst vergebens.      |
 |  Huntsville, AL  35894-0001         |                                    |
 |  cottle@gman.b11.ingr.com           |                    --Schiller      |


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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:23:00 GMT
From:         Daniel Burstein <0001964967@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      off-duty response

(the original message is -after- my comments.  sorry about that,
but don't have any choice with this mailer)

MLG02 points out that there is NO DUTY TO RESPOND to a scene when
off-duty.  i.e., if you are in a car and see an mva, you can (from
a legal standpoint), cheerfully drive by.

Of related interest is that there is also, in most cases,
NO duty to respond even if ON DUTY.  Let me clarify that one.

Amazingly enough, an EMS organization can REFUSE to take a call
that comes in on the phone line.  Yes, that's right, the North Cupcake
Rescue Squad can, if they so desire, simply tell the caller that
they won't be responding.

ON THE OTHER HAND, if the squad ACCEPTS the call, then they have
accepted responsibility and acknowledged their duty.

I realize my earlier statement, about there being NO specific
requirement that an agency respond, will sound contrary to what
"everyone knows" and what we've all been taught, or believed,
but that's the way it be....

----------------------------

There are various OTHER statutes which are not specific to EMS
activity which -could- come into play, i.e. if the patient
could claim that there was title 7 discriminatin involved, but
that's not directly EMS code.  Also, a case -could- be made
that EMS is covered by COBRA, but that's a story for another day.

take care,
danny

<dburstein@mcimail.com>
Date:     Wed Sep 30, 1992  5:29 pm  GMT
Source-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:14:48 -0400
From:     Emergency Services Discussion List
          EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414
          MBX: EMERG-L%MARIST.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu

TO:       Daniel Burstein / MCI ID: 196-4967
TO:       Multiple recipients of list EMERG-L
          EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414
          MBX: EMERG-L%MARIST.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu
Subject:  by-stander
Message-Id: 24920930172942/0003765414NA1EM
Source-Msg-Id: <9209301714.aa02598@MCIGATEWAY.MCIMail.com>

 NYS has no legal requirement that an off-duty EMT render assistance
 under any circumstances.  Having "EMT" license plates, wearing an EMT
 patch, etc. do not change the lack of duty.

 The public relations aspect of this are a different matter, of course.

 .                           Mike Gilbertson
 .                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
From: luanne@Pt.hq.af.mil (LuAnne Meyer)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: EMT Training in DC area
Keywords: emt
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:09:03 GMT
Distribution: misc.emerg-services
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC

I am involved in some high risk sports (white water kayaking, mtn biking, etc)
that have potential for injuries in remote areas.  I've been thinking
it may be a good idea to get some sort of training in emergency first aid.
                      
What would be a good course to take that is offered in the DC metro area?
Can I take an EMT course without becoming a paramedic?

Thanks,  LuAnne
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:15:38 -0500
From:         "Audrey S. Hill, DC/NR/EMT-A" <11AHILL@GALLUA.GALLAUDET.EDU>
Subject:      EMT certified bystander

Date sent:  27-SEP-1992 13:14:53

>This question came up a week or two ago.  I'd like your opinions on both
>sides - as an EMT responding to a call and as a bystander (off -duty- EMT).
>
>I live on campus at Gallaudet.  One night, I saw two ambulances by one of
>the dorms.  I grab my EMT ID tag and went over there.  Caught a security
>officer (campus police) and I told him that I'm an EMT and can I help?
>He said "No, not right now.  Thanks."  I was disappointed in his refusal to
>let me in to help out.  The majority of students here are deaf and I can
>communicate with both deaf and hearing.  I felt that the injuried/sick
>person at the scene could benefit from me helping out there as a lot of
>DCFD EMTs may or may not know sign language well.
>
>I talked with the director of campus police and was told that the officer
>did the right thing to reject my assist.  I have to say that I disagree.
>It doesn't make sense to me at all.  He said that DCFD could sue me for
>getting involved.
>
>So suppose you go on a call and an off-duty EMT is there to assist, what
>would you do?  Would you allow him/her to assist you on the field or
>what??
>
>I talked with Student Life to let them know that I am available to assist
>in any medical emergencies on campus during the night.  I was told that since
>I am not part of the university student life staff so therefore they cannot
>contact me at all.  My point is I'd like to help out at least until
>it is taken care of by DCFD (and stablizied) as their response time might
>be about 10 - 15 minutes or sooner.  What's your opinion on this??
>
>Thanks in advance for your advices.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Audrey S. Hill, DC/NR/EMT-A              Gallaudet University, Washington, DC
>Bladensburg Vol. Fire Dept.              11AHILL@GALLUA.BITNET
>(PGFD Eng. Co. 9 & Rescue Squad No.1)
>Maryland
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: CISD
Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:34:41 GMT

I have participated in several CISD several times and find them to be very helpfull.  I have had many calls that have deeply moved me.  Most of the time it
happens after the call is over.  I like many others have had calls that will
live with me for a very long time.  CISD s have helped me deal with some of
the more intense ones.
John
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From: jr51+@andrew.cmu.edu (Julie A Reyer)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: EMT Training in DC area
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:28:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MeoTPey00WBMA6MGQ7
Distribution: misc.emerg-services
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

LuAnne,

Sure, you can take an EMT course without becoming a paramedic.  I just
want to mention though, that once you take the class, you need to
practice your skills to become comfortable with them.  The class will
give you the know-how to deal with most situations that you will come
across, BUT...  Unless you are very comfortable with the skills you
learn and are able to apply them under pressure, they are worthless. 
So, joining some sort of local organization and being on duty is very
useful.

Later,

JR
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: APPLE //C+ FOR SALE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:14:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.162516.21461@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> stage@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Robert Stage) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.114544.8512@edinboro.edu> t660682s@edinboro.edu writes:
>>Apple //C+
>>12" monochrome monitor
>>Imagewriter II
>>bunch of software (over 100 disks)
>>
>>$1000 OR BEST OFFER
>>
>
>A thousand dollars?  Are you insane?  What kind of idiots do you think are out
>there?
> 
>You can get this system brand new for alot less than that!   
>
>Good grief.
>
>People, use your heads a little when posting things.

I am not the original poster, and I agree $1000 is a BIT high, but you should heed your own advice, and use your head.

Tell us where on this planet a person can buy a brand new //c, at ANY price.


JT

Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: maltasr@athena.ecs.csus.edu (Robert Maltas)
Subject: Memory for Mac IIci (16 megs), Apple Laserwriter NTX (12 megs)
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 03:37:40 GMT


1) Kingston Memory for MacIIci --- 16 megs (consisting of four 4-meg SIMMs).
                     BRAND NEW UNOPENED PACKAGE. KTA-16000/CI.

2) Kingston Memory for Laserwriter NTX --- 12 megs (i.e. 12 1-meg 80
                     nanosec SIMMs). KTA-4000/NTX written on each SIMM.

3) 1 meg X 8 SIMMs --- 80 nanoseconds; quantity = 2.

4) I would like to swap 8 megs of 1-meg SIMMs for 8 megs of 1-meg DIPs.
   Anyone interested?

Terms: Best offer(s) on items 1-3. Prefer cash, but possible trade???
       Cashiers check for cash purchases; if we perform a trade, I
       would like to do it in person (San Francisco Bay area).
       Things I'm looking for: A1000 or A2000 16-bit memory boards or
       32-bit accelerator boards, Action Replay for the A1000, CDTV, 68010
       (ceramic version), HP Laserjet III Postscript cartridge/memory
       boards, external SCSI hard-drives, NEC Multisync II monitor,
       NEW DC-6150 tape cartridges, external SCSI tape drive unit, etc.
       I can makeup for any lopsided trades by offering more 1 meg X 8
       SIMMs (80 nanosecond).

       I only check back on this account every 1-2 weeks (on weekends
       only), so don't expect a RAPID reply. I will respond to
       everyone and consider all offers.


Bob
maltasr@athena.ecs.csus.edu
From: brent@iam.unibe.ch (Brent Largent)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Power Distribution and Isolation Unit
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:00:11 GMT
Reply-To: brent@iam.unibe.ch
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Berne, Switzerland


I have a Power Distribution System for sale. The DSP-2000 is made by EPE 
technologies, now also known as Topaz.   
It takes AC input power and distributes the power to
computers and other peripheral equipment at the appropriate voltage levels,
and electrically isolates the equipment from the AC input power source.

The DSP-2000 is completely self-contained, and microporcessor controlled with
an LCD screen to monitor input and output voltages. This is the high-end 
solution for distributing power to a computer room, virtually eliminating
'Brown-outs' and noise on the AC lines. 

We used the DSP-2000 at Arix Corporation to run 12 Super-mini computers, and
the associated peripheral equipment.

Specifications:

P/N 				SY084-48T12-112
AC Input			480VAC 3 phase, 60Hz
Max Input			140Amps
AC output			120VAC & 208VAC, 60Hz
Power Rating			112kVA


Electrical Noise Attenuation:
Common-mode 			-120dB
Transverse Mode			20db per decade

The cost new was over $12,000, but I will take $2,500 or a reasonable offer. 
Contact me via email or voicemail.

Brent Largent.
Email=brent@auspex.com
Vmail=(408)492-0900
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Car Stereo for Sale
From: mparikh@uceng.UC.EDU (Mehul Parikh)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:16:28 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati


I have a UNICEF (Made in Japan) Car Stereo with Cassette Player/AM/FM,
for sale. If you are interested, pls. contact me at:

			parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu

Thanks.

-M. Parikh
From: lagaipa@mondec.monmouth.edu (Joseph A. La Gaipa)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: GOODYEAR GATORBACKS, 4-P225-60-16 all for $175
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:04:20 GMT
Distribution: nj


I have 4 GATORBACKS from my TBIRD-TURBO 4 sale.  All of them
are P225-60 for 16 inch rims.  They are VR rated.  Two of them
only have 7000 miles, the other two have 20000.  They are
UNIDIRECTION performance tires.    How about all of them for
the price of one tire?   $175.

     Will not ship, LOCAL buyers only or pickup arrangements
     by buyer.
 
       Joseph A. LaGaipa, Director of Computer Services
                          Monmouth College, West Long Branch, N.J. 07764
                         at (908) 229-8410 (home)
                            (908) 571-3551 (work) 
          Internet   lagaipa@monmouth.edu

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:28:32 -0400 
From: "David C. Park" <dp36+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 486 notebook advice, please

Hello friends,

I'm thinking about buying a 486 notebook computer and would be very
greatful for any feedback you might offer as to machine reliability, IBM
compatability, ruggedness, tech support, and the like.

The machines that I'm considering are from:
    - B.I.T.
    - B.S.I.
    - Sager
    - CompuAdd
    - Santron
    - Royal 

Has anyone had any experience with any of these machines?  Good stories
to tell about that experience?  Bad ones?  How about an independent
comparison or rating?

If you care to respond, please respond to this account.

Thanks for your attention.

David Park
From: bandari@cs.ubc.ca (Esfandiar Bandari)
Newsgroups: ubc.general,misc.forsale
Subject: Car for sale
Date: 26 Sep 1992 00:39:06 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
NNTP-Posting-Host: maximus.cs.ubc.ca

I am doing this for a friend who has already left the country.  

Dogdge Omni 1984
Very good condition
Bought for 1,500.00 and barely used in 7 months
Asking 1,200 o.b.o

Tel. 822-8572 or 926-4839 ask for Esfandiar



Newsgroups: osu.for-sale,misc.forsale,alt.rave,rec.music.compose
From: mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael A Pisano)
Subject: Korg DSS1 Sampler and Yamaha rx11 Drum Machine(FOR SALE)
Keywords: Sampler, Synthesizer, Drum Machine
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:56:10 GMT

Korg DSS-1:
-Samples up to 16 seconds of source
-Complete DSS1 sound library + independent lab patches
-all for $850


Yamaha RX11 Drum Machine:
-16 pre programmed sounds
-rom cartridge slot
-separate outputs for each drum
-tuneable to each drum sound
-$250 (orig 400)
From: bn112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Katopis)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: ForSale/Trade: AMD Math CoProc 287-10
Date: 5 Oct 1992 00:01:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


i a friend of mine got me this, i never had an occasion to use
install it, and now i've upgraded to a 386.  so for $50 OBO
it can be yours     
-chris
From: jscoggin@netcom.com (Jerry Scoggins)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Re: Vote for sale.
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:39:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson) sayz:
>I am a US citizen, and I just registered to vote a coupla weeks ago,
>but I have no particular interest in either of the two current cadidates;
>so, I have one vote for sale.

Lower than snail slime.  How can you sell something that isn't available
in most countries?  It is a privilege.  If you don't have an opinion, don't
vote.

>NOTE: I am open to any offers, but please take into account the amount
>      of time it took me to register as well as the actual voting process.
>
>Also, I am sqaurely opposed to Ross Perot, so Perogies need not respond.

You don't care one way or the other and yet you are against Ross Perot? 

>Scotty AJ
>-- 
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Scotty A. Johnson     "The beast with the four foot tail."     Iguana@uiuc.edu
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I assume your post is a joke.  haahaa

++jerry(); // jscoggin@netcom.netcom.com