HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: White House whistle-blower
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:32:28 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <4625@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>David.Condon@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Condon) writes:
>>Does anybody have any ideas as to who the unnamed "high White House official"
>>was who tipped off the New York Times about Bush's plans for Iraq?
>
>Answer 1: if we found out, he/she would be in deep trouble or off being
>ambassador to Antarctica.

Walter Karp, in "All the Congressmen's Men" (Harpers, July 1989) notes
that the majority of "leaks" are essentially official sources.  If the
NYT was tipped off about Bush's plans for Iraq, you can damn well be
sure that the Administration knew about the "leak" and approved of it.


--
But this is.
From: Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Sha
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:50:38 -0500

Hello John!

 JL> He repeatedly contacted the Soviet embassies in the U.S. and Mexico as
 JL> if they could give a shit. They didn't. Ultimately, Oswald shoots
 JL> Kennedy in what, I believe, was a desperate gesture to be taken
 JL> seriously by the Soviets. Oswald was a guy who could not accept that he
 JL> was a nobody.

So why did he not immediately take credit for it when asked?
Was he expecting to simply, 'beat the rap'?
From: john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: <None>...U2 Flights
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:52:35 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <1992Aug19.155328.8580@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren):
> Didn't a U2 recently crash near Korea? Is the plane still operational?
> How old is it? 

Strictly from memory, I think all USAF and CIA U-2 aircraft have been
retired.  NASA may still operate a few.

The U-2 went into service in the late 1950's.  It was envisioned to be
a F-104 with big wings, but ended up being a totally new aircraft.  The
U-2 concept was brought back to life in the form of the TR-1, which looks
nearly identical to the U-2.  The TR-1 is the plane that most people 
are refering to when they say U-2.  NASA operates a variant of the TR-1
(which stands for Tatical-Recon) called the ER-1 (Earth Resources).

-john-

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,misc.headlines,alt.politics.bush
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: guns and criminals
Organization: Aston University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:04:49 GMT

jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:

WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS DISCUSSION OUT OF alt.alien.visitors.

it does NOT belong in there.

To do this you edit the like at the top of the message starting 
Newsgroups: to not have this in.


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Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:10200 alt.activism:15241
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Dr Rosalie Bertell @ World Women's Congress for a Healthy Planet,11/91
Keywords: radioactivity, cancer, leukemia, poison, sickness, death, militarism
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:32:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.213800.8097@nmt.edu> houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.194346.5143@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.143707.8783@odin.corp.sgi.com> dave@ratmandu.esd.sgi.com (dave "who can do? ratmandu!" ratcliffe) writes:

<article deleted to save space>

Has anyone phoned the number at the end of the article? Did
anyone find out what her references are??? Did anyone call to
ask where she received that information and then make a follow
up??? In all honesty if anyone hasn't done that then the only
things we can speak of are purely conjectural on our parts! 

Uh oh...I'm sorry! I forgot that Paul Houle is in the upper
echelon of security clearance...yes that what it must be. Paul
Houle knows all sees all. Tell you what Paul, move on out to
Denver Colorado and start drinking the water from some of the
local wells. Come back in 3 years and tell us what your night
time wattage levels are! ;^)

Len
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.headlines,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Subject: Re: Candidates and their women
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:13:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.114954.16393@dg-rtp.dg.com> grossg@patriot.rtp.dg.com (Gross) writes:
>In article <STEINMAN.92Aug4084513@hawk.is.morgan.com> steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:
>>I just heard a report this morning that Bush soundly rebuked his
>>campaign manager for writing a press release that made references to
>>Clinton's "bimbos". 

"Bimbo eruptions" was actually a phrase used by Clinton campaigners which
was thrown back at their face by a Bush Campaign manager.  And the American
press, of course, makes us believe that Mary Matlin, the Bush campaign
manager, created the phrase herself.

Be careful in believing exactly what the media says or slants...
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:10133 sci.skeptic:14625 alt.folklore.urban:21744
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:30:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Distribution: world,local
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher) writes:

: I'm not going to answer this, but I will add to the noise with my own story 
: of how AIDS got started (or at least how its spread was greatly accellerated).
: 
: 	According to my source, (who that source is, I can't for the life of
: me remember, so you may treat this story like those wonderful tales that  
: begin: This happened to someone my mother's friend knows...) a study was
: being done in Africa on the spread of or resistance to malaria, in which
: some doctor took blood from some type of monkey or ape, and then injected it
: into local volunteers (or maybe they weren't volunteers?) to see if they    
: became infected with malaria (I forgot to mention, the apes they drew blood   
: from were infected with malaria). Since it is generally believed that AIDS
: was initially spread to humans from apes, the theory here is that the 
: initial transfer was at the hands of some western doctor carrying out an
: experiment.

this is really similar to something i read in (i'm pretty sure it was)
_health_ magazine. according to that account, it's possible that the
aids virus was spread from monkeys to humans when monkey kidneys were
used to culture polio vaccine in the late 50's. apparently not a lot
of attention was paid to possible problems with monkey viruses, and
massive inoculation programs (of untested vaccines) were carried out
in areas od africa that now have extremely high rates of aids.

it's a really interesting article, and the authors' theories are very
plausible. 

--
sine nomine
debbie martinson
"consciousness is far more terrifying than any unconscious complexes."
					-- mikhail bakhtin
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: A racist argument against handgun control legislation.
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:38:39 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <y5gePB2w164w@incam.new-orleans.la.us>, rj@incam.new-orleans.la.us (Ray Jones) writes:
|> > In article <1992Aug10.130150.1431@etek.chalmers.se> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (J
|>  
|> >>So what I meant was this:
|> >>A person isn't a criminal until he commits a crime.  If he doesn't get
|> >>an opportunity,  he...can't be a criminal.  Opportunity is ONE of the
|> >>neccessary things when turning criminal, not the only.
|>  
|> It is true that a criminal looks for the easiest opportunity, but if one
|> thing is not opportune, he will look for another.  That is an agrument
|> in favor of gun ownership, not against it.  If a criminal is not concern-
|> ed about being blown away by the victim, he is more likely to commit the
|> crime.  Consider, you are thinking about robbing the elderly couple down
|> the road.  You know they are old and infirm.  You decide to commit the
|> crime because you know they can't do anything to defend themselves.  On
|> the other hand, consider the same scenario except that the "old-infirm
|> couple" may have a double-barreled shotgun, a .38 or some other gun
|> waiting for you when you try.  Which scenario would you be more likely
|> to perpetrate the crime in?
|> 


In the latter scenario, the robber vill get a automatic (?) gun, run in to
the house and blast the elderly couple away, since he belives that they MIGHT
have some gun.
I'd rather be robbed than killed.

What I want is a society where guns were not so common, so that our robber
couldn't find one/couldn't afford one.


______________________________________________________________________________
Johan Lindqvist                     |Due to lack of interest, tomorrow
Gothenburg         Mail:            |has been cancelled.
Sweden      lindq@etek.chalmers.se  |
______________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert D. Bernstein <rbernstein@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:03 PDT
Subject: Re: Raytheon, Scuds and Patriots
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1299600059:cdp:1299600060:000:581
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rbernstein    Aug 14 07:03:00 1992


I stand corrected on the important technical points. Thanks.

I still understand that the Scuds have no meaningful accuracy since
they are designed to hit a random target in a rather large target area.
And I still understand that the Patriots have a very low success
rate at destroying the warhead of their target Scud missile. Hence they
have no practical use in protecting civilian areas on the ground.

I still have good reason to believe that the primary mission of Patriot
missiles is to enhance the security of Raytheon's profits.

-- Robert Bernstein; Santa Barbara, CA USA
From: dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Income Tax is a Fraud!
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:31:51 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

pkershaw@dce.com writes:

>Did you know that there is NO law that requires you to pay Income Tax?
>ThatUs right!
>INCOME TAX IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY!

What do you do when they take your house away?  How about the
gangster(s) in the roaring '20s and in the '30s who went to jail
for tax evasion?  I know that they had more... influence... than I do,
and *they* were nailed.

Do you sit in prison and say, "I'm not guilty"?  

I'll bet you'd have plenty of company.

Dave  ssn 800-328-7448

P.S.  If I didn't have to pay income tax, I'd probably donate roughly
the same amount to groups that operate more efficiently than the USG,
but, for now, I don't seem to have a choice.


-- 
Dave Bushong, KZ1O@K1UGM.MA
Wang Laboratories, Inc.
Internet: dbushong@wang.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:36:31 GMT

In article <77997@ut-emx.uucp> llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

[how AIDS got started...]

>
>this is really similar to something i read in (i'm pretty sure it was)
>_health_ magazine. according to that account, it's possible that the
>aids virus was spread from monkeys to humans when monkey kidneys were
>used to culture polio vaccine in the late 50's. apparently not a lot
>of attention was paid to possible problems with monkey viruses, and
>massive inoculation programs (of untested vaccines) were carried out
>in areas od africa that now have extremely high rates of aids.
>
>it's a really interesting article, and the authors' theories are very
>plausible.

Plausible yes, correct no. There is at least one documented case of a merchant
seaman who died of AIDS in the mid 1950s in the UK. Of course, at the time
they didn't know it was AIDS, just an unexplained immune deficiency... See
some earlier posts for details.

Later,

The Wisp.
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:20:13 GMT

djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211) writes:
:       They just want you to think that it is caused by a virus!
:                             ^^^^^

what the hell does that mean? Or is it just paranoia?

Of course it's caused by viri. Don't insult the memory those who have died from
this terrible disease by bringing down to the level of half-assed
armchair revolution. And check your facts before engaging your keyboard.
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Raytheon, Scuds and Patriots
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:52:21 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose) writes:

>Hello Erik!

> >> Is it a fact that the original purpose of the Patriot was an
> >> anti-aircraft missile, whose task was to explode in the vicinity of an
> >> aircraft, thereby releasing approx 700 metal shards into the air,
> >> shredding the target?
> ESF>
> ESF> Well, without going into the number of fragments, yes.

>Now...let's say that attack Patriot *misses* its intended target and falls back
>towards the earth.  What option does the guiding technician have to minimize
>casualties on the ground below??

I'd say none. My guess is that it either self-destructs or goes ballistic and
then self-destructs.

--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"I've got LOT's of common sense. I just choose to ignore it." -- Calvin
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:10164 alt.activism:15152
From: thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?  NOT!
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:52:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.151742.622@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>In article <24939@castle.ed.ac.uk>, loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes:
>> 	I recall reading, a year or two ago, but never kepr the reference,
>> that doctors had found traces of the AIDS virus in samples retained from
>> a man who died in 1951. Anyone else recall this, and how does it affect
>> the conspiracy theory?
>
>	I remember reading such a report about a year(?) ago but do not
>recall the source although I think it was in one of the mainline news
>magazines.  If I recall correctly, a lady doctor was puzzled by some of
>the symptoms of a sailor who died and had a blood sample frozen for later
>study.  It was the type of news for which one might expect some followup but I
>have seen nothing on it since.

Fumento writes about a St. Louis gay prostitute who died of AIDS in the 50's.
Didn't sound like the man had ever been to Africa.  So much for that
conspiracy theory.

Followups out of a.f.u.
-- 
             ......................................................
             ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | std disclaimers
             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             you can't throw me to the lions -- i'm charlton heston
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott)
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:05:34 GMT

gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner) writes:
: was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or military)?

No.

Aids (latest likely explanation) was distributed in the Congolese region
through imperfectly de-activated/attenuated polio sera, which carried
SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus) and virus X (then unidentified)

These were considered harmless, and only now is X being equated with
HIV. 

These same polio vaccines were used in NY as part of a programme to
treat Hep-B. This may account for the prevalence in the gay community.

A consensus through the epidemiological community ("it wouldn't help in
any way if this became public") probably hinders this being more widely
considered, but it is the most likely explanation (as I said) to date.
From: Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Income Tax
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:30:16 -0500

 >> Did you know that there is NO law that requires you to pay Income Tax?
 >> ThatUs right! INCOME TAX IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY!
 >>
 >> Plan to attend the Tax SIG (special interest group) meeting on Monday,
 >> August 31st, at 7:00 P.M., at the Super 8 Motel (Speer Blvd N. exit on
 QOTY>
 QOTY> I hate paying Income Taxes as much as the next guy, but it isn't
 QOTY> unconstitutional. That's why they made the it an amendment. It was
 QOTY> unconstitutional until then.

I thought this type of 'Paying Taxes is a Scam' sucker seminar only happened
from February to April.  Guess it is a year round racket, now.


From: Steve.Rose@f601.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Sha
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:39:54 -0500

Hello Robert!

 RS> A screw-up like Oswald, school dropout and failed Marine, who did
 RS> minimum-wage work WHEN he worked, would be the last guy on earth
 RS> the CIA would recruit.

I dunno.  Some of those desk-jockeys seem to fit the bill.



Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: A racist argument against handgun control legislation.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 04:13:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug13.123839.7499@etek.chalmers.se> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:
>In article <y5gePB2w164w@incam.new-orleans.la.us>, rj@incam.new-orleans.la.us (Ray Jones) writes:
>|> > In article <1992Aug10.130150.1431@etek.chalmers.se> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (J
>|>  
>|> >>So what I meant was this:
>|> >>A person isn't a criminal until he commits a crime.  If he doesn't get
>|> >>an opportunity,  he...can't be a criminal.  Opportunity is ONE of the
>|> >>neccessary things when turning criminal, not the only.
>|>  
>|> It is true that a criminal looks for the easiest opportunity, but if one
>|> thing is not opportune, he will look for another.  That is an agrument
>|> in favor of gun ownership, not against it.  If a criminal is not concern-
>|> ed about being blown away by the victim, he is more likely to commit the
>|> crime.  Consider, you are thinking about robbing the elderly couple down
>|> the road.  You know they are old and infirm.  You decide to commit the
>|> crime because you know they can't do anything to defend themselves.  On
>|> the other hand, consider the same scenario except that the "old-infirm
>|> couple" may have a double-barreled shotgun, a .38 or some other gun
>|> waiting for you when you try.  Which scenario would you be more likely
>|> to perpetrate the crime in?
>|> 
>
>
>In the latter scenario, the robber vill get a automatic (?) gun, run in to
>the house and blast the elderly couple away, since he belives that they MIGHT
>have some gun.

I think not, it's simpler and safer if no one is there, next best if you
are sure no one is armed. My guess is most burglers would look for a safer
mark. Your scenario is right out of Charles Bronson movies. If it were 
realistic, we would hear about stuff like that often. We most certainly do
not hear about this kind of thing often.

>I'd rather be robbed than killed.

Would'nt you rarther have some say in the matter? Unarmed, it is the
choice of the robber what to do with you.
 
>What I want is a society where guns were not so common, so that our robber
>couldn't find one/couldn't afford one.
 
You have things confused. You probably want a society where -robberies-
and crimes are uncommon. Guns per se have nothing to do with these crimes.
 
>______________________________________________________________________________
>Johan Lindqvist                     |Due to lack of interest, tomorrow

Rich

payner@netcom.com


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: INSLAW (Very strange case)
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:21:50 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <hhll.713765411@milton>
hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas) writes:
 
>
>Two nights ago on CNN there was a report of one of the strangest cases I'd
>ever heard in the mainstream media. It concerned a software company called
>INSLAW. It seems that a few years ago the Justice Department stole
>a program of theirs that CNN described as being used for tracking criminal
>cases. When INSLAW complained the Justice Department systematically drove
>them out of business. A special investigation determined that Attorneys
>General Meese and Thornburgh may have been guilty of obstruction of
>justice in connection with this case. The report also pointed to the
>involvement of the CIA and foreign intelligence agencies and the
>mysterious death of a reporter trying to look into the case.
>
>What is this? If anyone can provide details I'd be grateful.
>
>Please follow up to alt.conspiracy
>
>
>Steven
I believe the case you are referring to involved a St. Louis couple and
was covered pretty well in the _St. Louis Post-Dispatch_. I don't remember
any particulars.
--Shannon
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From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,sci.skeptic,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Marilyn Monroe
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:56:23 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Aug19.211557.2331@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>From article <1992Aug19.051348.8800@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, by dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott):
>> I was just wondering if there is any news regarding public response
>> to the book & Bill Bixby documentary called the "Marilyn Files."
>>
>> The CIA and RFK were implicated in a cover up of her death/murder.
>>
>>
>> What is the likelyhood that a body exhumation or a Grand Jury hearing
>> will take place??
>
>Little and none and little just caught the last train for the
>coast.
>
>After 30 years, what could be determined and would there be much
>left of the body besides the hair and skeleton?

Them expensive polished wood coffins last a long time. Especially if the
ground is fairly dry. What's the winter weather in LA like?

An exhumation would establish whether the story of a snapped syringe needle
stuck under her left breast is true or not.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy