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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: VDU - Very Deadly Units?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:21:47 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:

>bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk writes:
>> Okay so we're well into Jan 93 already but does anybody know whether there
>> was a new law passed/come into effect on 1/1/93 regarding VDUs; I was 
>> under the impression that all VDUs now had to be fitted with anti-radiating
>> devices.

>Wouldn't that make it rather hard to see the screen?

>If you're worried about radiation from VDUs, I suggest that you simply buy
>some lucky heather from a Gypsy on Oxford Street and fix it to the front.  Or
>consult your astrologer for advice.

The Health and Safety (Display Screen Equipment) Regulations 1992 (39-40) are
due in place 1993, but when I don't know.
The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 - Approved Code of
Practise is available from HMSO or the HSC.

Dave
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From: ianking@nnsgs52 (Ian King)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: French cars are a rip-off
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:30:16 GMT
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Leo Hendry (leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <1k1b0lINN8pd@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> ianking@lon40.nt.com writes:
: >Mark Neale (mark@edscom.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: >: In article <1993Jan25.095737.9157@jet.uk> djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson) writes:

: <Nova headlamp price accidently deleted>

: >:    Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205.  
: >Well it has just cost me 90 pounds + vat for a new headlight for my Rover. 
: Ever heard of a breakers yard aka scrap yard?

Yes... I kept my Hillman Imp going for years that way (140,000 miles). But
scrap Rover 800s are a bit thin on the ground and I have no room to store
a complete scrap car (Universal Salvage will only sell complete cars now)

Regards..
.......Ian

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From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Papa! Nicole! (was Re: Ariston music for TV Advert)
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:57:37 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Joint European Torus

In <30662@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>...
>Maybe boyfriend pulled in to a layby to give Nicole a good dickin', Papa
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can't have been *that* good, it's only a 15 or 20 second ad :-)

But if you allow for the ad being non-RealTime: As someone who has owned two
French cars, I suspect that the real reason that the Clio is slower than
the bike is that it has broken down a few times en route.

Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205.  What's
French for "rip-off" ?
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From: monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ??
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:51:51 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

TREHARAJ@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk writes:
>Elizabeth writes:
>>Sounds a good idea?  A student guide to the best pubs in Britain...
>I don't think we ought to rely on students to tell us what is a good
>pub, they tend to go for the closest one to their campus which
>will cash their cheques when the cashpoint tells them to sod off.

That in itself is useful - nothing worse than a broken cashpoint,
especially when you know that you have funds there.

>Andy T.

By the way Andy, the Lazy Fox doesn't cash cheques - much to my annoyance -
and the Varsity Arms charges a quid to cash a 10 quid cheque!

Nils

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From: fbowles@gssec.bt.co.uk (Frank K Bowles)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:23:25 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: BT

In article <1993Jan21.094646.21169@jet.uk>, tp@jet.uk (Tarang K Patel) writes:
|> In <6531@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Janusz Lukasiak) writes:
|>  Stuff the B in T and let NTT, AT&T ad Pacific bell etc... come in and show
|>  B.T and Mercury how its done. :-)
|>

The thing about US networks is that the service available is variable -
in remote parts of the US (as far as I know) they still have magneto
phones where you crank a handle to attract an operator...

For those interested the features offered by Caller Display (the name CLID services will be marketed under) are expected to be:

- display CLID of incoming call
- withhold ID on either a per call or per line basis (for anonymity)
- trace the last call received 
- set up call to last caller that rang (no more "missed" calls)
- call back when free (on an engaged number)
- selective call forwarding (diverts incoming calls from specified
  numbers)
- selective call barring (bar calls from specific numbers, numbers
  without CLID or only accept calls from certain numbers)
- priority call -special ring tone for specific caller(s)

Initial services are expected to be offered nationally in 1994.

All this from press release stuff.  I don't know any more, but I hope
it gives a perspective on what will be available.

Frank

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My opinions (NOT BT's)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Subject: phone boxes
Organization: Department of Law - Coventry University
Distribution: uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:30:14 GMT


** Is the cost of dialling anywhere in the country whether it be peak,
   standard or cheap rate from a public call box the same as it costs
   to make the same call from a private residential BT phone ? Do you
   get the same number of seconds for each unit ?

   ( I know that with a private phone you are charged VAT at 17.5 %,
   while in the case of a public payphone BT collect the VAT as
   part of the charge call)

   Thanks.


   

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From: pstevens@cage.gssec.bt.co.uk (Perdita Stevens)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: caller ID
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:08:24 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.

> If BT uses the standard approach caller ID is transmitted after the first
> ring (which also wakes up the modem)

I believe that the caller id is actually transmitted before the first
ring, so in theory it should be possible to stop the phone ringing at
all. But I don't work for that part of BT, so I may be wrong! Anybody
know for sure? 

Perdita Stevens
BT Glasgow Engineering Centre
*My opinions, not BT's *
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom,alt.dcom.telecom
From: Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert)
X-Mailer: //\\miga Electronic Mail (AmiElm 1.11)
Organization: Private Internet/Usenet node.
Reply-To: steve@donald.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Answer phones that forward msgs
Followup-To: uk.telecom
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:46:44 +0000


$FIRSTNAME (IDH@fs4.ee.umist.ac.uk), on Jan 19 you wrote:

> Hello,
> I read your reply in the telecom news group with interest.
> Who are incom?, what's there phone number, whats the name of the
> machine that you bought & how much was it please?.  I suspect others
> may be interested in such a toy,  perhaps you might publish these
> details on the net?.
> 
>                     Cheers,
>                                 Ian H.
> 


Incom is a supplier of Telecomms equipment inc. phones, faxes, modems, ans
machines, etc. The don't seem bad for price too.

The machine I've ordered from them is an Audioline AUB45 which offers
the following features:
   
   * Call transfer - Will ring you (up to 7 times if engaged) on programmable
      telephone or pager number if a message has been left.
   * Hands free speakerphone
   * Announcement only mode
   * 6 level call barring
   * Auto redial
   * Mercury approved
   * Telephone/answering machine
   * Digital OGM, Microcassette ICM
   * Digital talking diary
   * Seff-coded remote control
   * 2 way record
   * 20 direct memories
   * 2 year warranty, etc.


And the price?    100.55 + VAT

Their address is Incom Telecommunications, 159 Cheetham Hill Rd,
Manchester, M8 8LG, UK.

They will send you a copy of their catalogue if you call them on
061 834 3474, Fax: 061 833 0668.

Regards,

Steve.
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: davidw@fulcrum.co.uk (David Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Call charges
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:39:23 GMT

In article <931625141639@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> TREHARAJ@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk writes:
>==============================================================================
>
>Is it true that when I make a call BT only charge for whole units and so I am
>being overcharged for the vast majority of my calls?
>
>Andy T.


Yes

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From: aw@bnr.co.uk (Alan Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: Rabbit phones.
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:33:11 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd
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In article <1993Jan20.122935.26686@unipalm.co.uk>, keith@unipalm.co.uk 
(Keith Mitchell) writes:

> >Or can you get extra (hopefully cheaper) Rabbit handsets without base
> >stations?
> 
> Yes, and you can also buy base stations seperately, at UK# 100 a
> throw.  Additionally, there is now a choice of hardware, with the
> Motorola Silverlink hansdet and base station available from some
> outfit called Rabbit Direct. Doesn't seem to be much to chosse
> between this and the standard GPT-sourced hardware. 

The Motorola Silverlink handset is smaller and lighter with a 
microphone flap and so fits into a much smaller shirt-pocket
than the GPT/Rabbit handset. The Rabbit brochure mentions more
features for the Motorola such as 30 memories versus 10, 
extendable antenna, noise cancelling microphone and more 
registration slots. 

Apparently one version of the Motorola basestation has a speaker
and microphone allowing calls to be answered without using a handset
and also a paging facility to alert and hold two way conversation 
with any handset registered to it. The Paging facility on the Rabbit 
basestation sends a tone signal to registered handsets. The Rabbit 
basestation can register 9 handsets, the Motorola 8.

According to Hutchison, Motorola handset, charger and basestation 
is going to set you back more than #400 though!   

> With a pager, you in theory get the best of both worlds.

I wonder how long before there'll be CT2 handsets with 
built-in pagers??

Alan Wilkinson.
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: At Last An End To Double Glazing Salesman (was: Caller ID)
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:09:28 GMT

In article <8246@skye.ed.ac.uk> ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
> From the day they introduce this feature, all double glazing companies
> ringing me at home can expect to be routed to Abdul's Goat Barbecue in
> Thailand. 

Who do you think PAYS for the forwarding?

ian
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Help Required!  Please read on...
Organization: Aston University
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:49:32 GMT

Robert J Barth (rob@sound.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: >Thank you everyone who has tried to get through to 0223-250034.
: tried a couple of times, seemed OK
: 
: But are we supposed to be calling using BT or Mercury ? :-)
: 
: Are you only on Mercury, not BT, or something ?

Also how many lines are ment to be attached to this number?

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From: peter@serdlm34.essex.ac.uk (Peter Allott)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: At Last An End To Double Glazing Salesman (was: Caller ID)
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:45:33 GMT
Reply-To: peter@essex.ac.uk (Peter Allott)
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <8246@skye.ed.ac.uk> ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.092325.22409@gssec.bt.co.uk>
>fbowles@gssec.bt.co.uk (Frank K Bowles) writes:
>#  - selective call forwarding (diverts incoming calls from specified
>#    numbers)
>
>From the day they introduce this feature, all double glazing companies
>ringing me at home can expect to be routed to Abdul's Goat Barbecue in
>Thailand. 

Guess who will pay for the international part of the divert?

You!
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: dec@alex.com (Doug Clinton)
Return-Path: <news@alex.com>
Subject: Re: Itemised Bills
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:24:17 +0000

In article <728075331snx@sound.demon.co.uk>, rob@sound.demon.co.uk (Robert J Barth) writes:
|> 
|> As far as I remember (uk.telecom, around 12 months ago), BT *do* keep records
|> of *all* calls made, on mass storage, so a reason for not giving fully
|> itemised billing could either be that they want to save paper, or they don't
|> trust their system..
|> 

Or perhaps it is related to Andy's question about call charging - they
just don't want their customers to see that they are being charged a
minimum of 1 unit even if the call lasts only 5 seconds.

Doug

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From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: caller ID (blocking, additional services)
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:48:29 GMT
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <6521@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Janusz Lukasiak) writes:
> - straighforward lies (ringing in sick from a departure lounge at Heathrow)

I don't think this will be possible. As I understand it, you won't have
the option of blocking CLID from payphones. They're anonymous enough as
it is, and a persistent malicious caller who moved round payphones could
avoid any kind of detection if you could block payphone CLID; at least,
it would require a good deal more work on BT's behalf to track them.
It would also be inconvenient if there's someone you regularly need to
speak to who has CLID permanently blocked; you wouldn't answer the phone
on no-ID. 

The options for blocking on exchange lines will probably be either
per-call or per-line for domestic lines; that's what the trial has, I
believe. I'm don't know how the interface for PABXs will work;
presumably CLID can be passed on.

In the future the full set of extras should be available: selective barring,
selective acceptance, different ring tones, selective forwarding and
so on. I'm not sure if selective call-waiting is one of them (``if it's the
office or my partner, beep me to tell me there's a call waiting; otherwise
give engaged tone'').

My opinions, not BT's. I don't work on direct service provision, or
exchange technology, or anything like that.

	Tim. 
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk (Richard Cox)
Subject: Re: Victorian exchange names (was Re: Gu
Cc: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:12:00 +0000

chris@visionware.co.uk (Chris Davies) said:

>>  My only slight quibble is that I've got two 1-unit calls in the section
>>  which itemises calls of more than 10 units...

The section heading is misleading.  Those calls were itemised for reasons
other than being 10 units or more (NB NOT "more than 10")

Examples: Calls with charge advice, Diverted calls, 3way calls, etc ...)

Richard D G Cox

Mandarin Technology, Cardiff Business Park, Llanishen, CARDIFF, Wales CF4 5WF
Voice: +44 222 747111      Fax: +44 222 711111      VoiceMail: +44 399 870101
E-mail: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk     Not diallable on 511 in mainland USA
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: keith@unipalm.co.uk (Keith Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Rabbit phones.
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:05:09 GMT

ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps) writes:

>Miniature cellphones have seriously compromised battery life for their
>size. A standby time of less than 4 hours seems to be normal for the
>phones in our company's pool of cellphones - except for the clunky old
>Motorola one, which I use whenever possible.

>How does the Silverlink do on this front? (I.e. real figures, not
>claimed ones).

My GPT Rabbit handset seem to have an on-air talk time of about 2 hours,
and standby is in excess of 8 hours. A long standby time is of
course less useful when you can only accept incoming calls on your
private base station(s).

Keith Mitchell

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: rob@sound.demon.co.uk (Robert J Barth)
Subject: Re: Itemised Bills
Reply-To: rob@sound.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:08:51 +0000

>BT would almost certainly have to install a very large amount of extra
>mass storage in order to log every all to provide fully itemised
>bills. Mercury can manage it because they have far fewer customers
>(probably one or two orders of magnitude) which means they do not have
>to store as much data.

As far as I remember (uk.telecom, around 12 months ago), BT *do* keep records
of *all* calls made, on mass storage, so a reason for not giving fully
itemised billing could either be that they want to save paper, or they don't
trust their system..

tai

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From: dave@yoyodyne.demon.co.uk (David Bisping)
Subject: Re: Itemised Bills 
Distribution: world
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:10:09 +0000

In article <6578@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk writes:

>In article <931325141322@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> TREHARAJ@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk
> writes:
>>Could anybody explain what modifications BT would need to carry out in
>>order to supply the residential customer with a fully itemised bill?
>
>YOU have to make a modification - ring BT and ask for a fully itemised bill.
>By default one gets a list of calls >= 10 units
 
Is this true ?. I had a long, very annoying and fruitless phone call to BT
today, they still consider fully itemised billing to mean itemising only 
calls over 10units. The upshot was that there are no plans to introduce
itemised bills and this was a corporate decision. They also amitt they know
they are losing resitenial customers to mecury due to this (and cheaper
calls) but they did not really care. Is there any hope. If any one is
interested I can post the number of BT's customer service office, perhaps
if enough people were to complain they might start listening.

Dave...

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: ian@edscom.demon.co.uk (Ian Green)
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
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Distribution: uk
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:15:43 GMT

Janusz Lukasiak (zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk) wrote:
: I don't understand all these arguments about nuissance calls and quintuple
: glazing salesmen. Firstly, the first time round you wouldn't know who it is
: anyway. Secondly, if a persistent heavy breather or salesman doesn't take
: 'get lost' (or equivalent) for an answer, he'll ring again. What do you do
: then - leave the phone ringing and ringing, and ringing again in 30 minutes?
: I'm not sure what sort of additional protection the knowledge of caller ID
: offers in such a situation.

Not a lot when you put it like that :-)  In the first case you will still
answer the 'phone - but if the salesman is rude or breaks the code of 
malpractice in any way, you can report them knowing the number from which they
called.  Secondly - you cannot (on most if not all exchanges now) leave an
unanswered call ringing for very long (3 mins??) to stop the tie-up of 
international lines and also another particularly crafty scam that I won't
go into in case not all exchanges have yet been updated.

: Could somebody suggest a couple of good reasons for spending money on a
: fancy new phone set plus possibly a subscription charge if/when such a servic 
: becomes available ?

No!  This is part of ISDN (Innovations Subscribers Don't Need)

Ian.

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: rob@sound.demon.co.uk (Robert J Barth)