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From: dp54@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Rob Silcher)
Subject: Re: Vancouver IndyCar Results, PPG IndyCar World Series Standings
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:13:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.192059.7282@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <715277710942@c00474-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>>
>>Why was Scott Goodyear in a '91 car?
>>
>
>He only has one '92 car and it is still being repaired from his crash
>at Elkhart Lake...it is supposed to be ready for Mid-Ohio.  Goodyear
>could really use another couple of million dollars in the budget for
>a second new car and more testing time.  Hopefully, he will be able to
>find that extra funding for next year based on his modest success
>this year.  He then could qualify with a little more reckless abandon
>and those extra few positions on the grid, especially on the street
>courses, make a lot of difference.  Goodyear doesn't have the luxury
>of walking back to the garage to pick up a new car all the time like
>Paul Tracy does.
>
>Gerald

I liked Goodyear's comments after the race. He describes the conversation
he has with his crew chief:

	His boss: "we want *points*"

	Goodyear: "*podium*"

	His boss: "*POINTS*"

	Goodyear: "*PODIUM*"

Rob Silcher
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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:09:58 GMT

From article <1992Sep2.135957.19906@fang.att.com>, by agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)):
> Thomas Cohen and Donald P Boell wrote:
>>
[stuff deleted]

> off -- *YOU BET!* Was Schumacher lucky to drive in the (relative) safety
> of F1 today (Many thanks to Niki Lauda)? *Yes!*  
> 
> -- 
>Grayson Walker

Lauda continued the good work begun by one John Young Stewart.

Ross Taylor

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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Re: Rahal Comment
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:09:43 GMT

From article <1992Aug31.134257.29271@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, by mini11@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.kearney):
> 
> What was with Rahal yesterday after his accident? The way I saw it was
> Stefan Johannson and Bobby were racing. To say Stefan shouldn't try and
> race to win because he's doesn't have any championship points is absurd!
> Given the course limitations for passing areas I'm assuming Stefan thought
> he could get by Bobby. I know Tony B. doesn't spend his money to just
> finish each race. Every team is there to win!
> 
> Mark

Seems to me that if rahal should have backed off and let Johanssen by.
Rahal had everything to lose (and did) whereas there was no certainty that
SJ would last or that he woudl stay ahead of BR after the pit stops.
Besides, the way the points go in Indy cars, BR would not have lost that
many points letting SJ go.  Poor judgement on Rahal's part if you ask me
(I know, no one did).

Ross Taylor

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From: seaward@acs.ucalgary.ca (Bruce Seaward)
Subject: Re: ASA: snowed out!
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:44:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug24.121032.3210@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) writes:
>Did anyone catch the ASA race on TNN yesterday?  I have to say that's the
>first time I ever saw a race red-flagged because of snow.  Bizarre!

Yep, Bizzare discribes the weather we have been having in Calgary this past
week.  We went from  31-32 degree (Celsius) heat to 0 degrees and snow in
the space of a week.  Also, when it showed the snow that cancelled the race,
there was not a trace of snow at my house which is not that far from RaceCity.



>
>(BTW, the top three were Mike Eddy, John Benson Jr., and Gary St. Amant.
>Bob Sennaker crashed and finished something like 27th... I think this
>gives Eddy a big lead in the points.)
>
>-- 
>David Cornutt, New Technology Inc., Huntsville, AL  (205) 461-6457
>(cornutt@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov; some insane route applies)
>"The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer,
>not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary."


Bruce Seaward
Academic Computing Services
University of Calgary.
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 1993 technical changes Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:27:28 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Sep2.152744.13815@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.204051.4279@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
>>The tyre changes will also reduce the physical strength needed to drive
>>the cars quickly.  I don't think its a coincidence that Mansell &
>>Patrese are two of the heaviest drivers in F1. I suspect they need all
>>the strength that they can get.
>>
>>Satoru Nakajima was never strong enough to brake heavily in the dry. 
>>I think that some of the other Japanese drivers will be more competitive
>>in next years cars.
>
>I'm not understanding you fully.  Do you mean that 6 seconds of non-activity
>during mandatory pit stops really gives drivers that much of a rest?

Sorry that wasn't as clear as it could have been. I meant to say that
the changes reduce the width of the tyres will mean that you won't need
so much brute strength to drive quickly.  With less grip available, the
G forces in the corners will be reduced, and you won't be able to brake
so heavily.  I'm not saying it'll be easier, just less physically demanding.

[The following numbers are from Racecar Engineering] 

The changes are to reduce the width of the rear tyres from 18 to 15
inches.  This alone will reduce the overall drag by about 3%.

Active suspension will be more desirable as it will allow you to
keep enough weight on the front tyres in the corners and then 
shift the weight to the rear of the car when you accelerate away.

The smaller tyres will be run at higher pressure, with harder compounds
which will reduce the effective co-efficient of friction from over 1.7
to "perhaps as little as 1.2" . Traction control will be the order of
the day, mechanically or using the driver's right foot!

The front wing endplates are going to be raised from 2.5 cm to 4cm
above the level of the bottom of the monocoque.  This might reduce the
downforce at the front by up to 10%.

The rear wings will have to be a little lower too.  This means they
will be running in more turbulent air, but it probably won't have a
large effect overall.

These changes will slow the cars in the corners (at least initially)
and make them more challenging to drive, but the quick cars aren't
going to get any cheaper.

			
			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: rec.autos.sport
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:52:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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John Francis (johnf@apollo.hp.com) wrote:
: 
: Things are very similar at Indianapolis, except there the T-car can be visibly
: differentiated from the primary car by a little letter "T" after the number.

F1 T-cars used to have a `T' stuck on after their numbers some years ago --
I'm not sure when it stopped, but it certainly carried on until _at least_
the mid-late Seventies. Anyone care to find a more accurate date than that?
(probably involves going through FIA yellow books to read the rules...)

Pete
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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:28:03 GMT

In article <3380046@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>The dice between Senna, Schumacher and Brundle near the beginning of the race
>was incredible.  It was obvious the Senna was holding the 'Benetton Boys' up.
>Schumacher was doing everything he could to get around.  The last thing
>he needed was for Brundle to start getting aggressive behind him, yet this
>is exactly what happened.
>
>For awhile it looked like good old Brutal would ram his nose up Schumacher's
>tail pipe yet again...thankfully Schumacher was able to make the pass on Senna
>on Senna's right while at the same time Brundle charged him on the left.
>
>Is it any wonder that quite a few people dislike Brundle?  He has absolutely
>so concept of team driving.  I would hate to see him paired with Mansell, 
>Prost or Senna for fear that his actions would cause one shunt after another.
>
>Schumacher is an up and coming star, yet his career could be ended in an 
>incident such as occured in Hungary.
>
I'm sure Brundle would tell you that deferring to Schumacher isn't written
into his contract. He's trying to win races, or at least finish on the
podium, so what do you expect him to do? The real problem is that Senna is
driving a real dog with lots of horsepower, making him a very effective
moving chicane. He did the same thing with Lotus early in his career. But
letting faster cars pass easily isn't in HIS contract either :-).

By the way, I'm not saying that Brundle hasn't been overaggressive at
times, but he shouldn't be faulted just for trying to pass his teammate.

Jeff

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: RA for the USGP (Was: Road America comments)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:42:52 GMT

In article <1148@racerx.bridge.COM> james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello) writes:
>Until the US has a track on par with the European tracks, complete
>with glittering pit and press areas, condos, private boxes, and good 
>access to a nearby metropolis, the USGP will be in political limbo.
>FISA cares little for "tradition" or "the long-term fan". They want
>to feel important and well cared for. They also want big bucks. 
>Since the US lacks a strong political voice with FISA and has no
>promotor who is willing or able to fill FISA's needs, we don't
>have a GP and we probably won't get one anytime soon. 
>-- 
Well.....with a possible infield road course reportedly on the drawing
boards......I can certainly think of one facility in the United States
that fulfills all the F1 necessities above.  A fella by the name of Tony
George happens to run the place.

Some refer to it as the "Brickyard".

-c'ball-
From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: PAYTON'S PLACE
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:13:05 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

My impression is that he in NOT a natural and he knows it.  He has been
working from lower level competion S2000 as someone else mentioned and on
a learning curve and probably working on his own timeframe.  We may see him
in a stock car but it will not be at the front (at least in the next few years).
From: skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Griffith, Sun Lumpyware)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Free to a good home- Autosport collection
Date: 1 Sep 1992 00:39:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
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Keywords: free- what else do you want?

Moving has reorganized my storage, and I have no place for these
anymore. So, to the first taker in the Bay Area who drops me a 
line, I have the last 2 years of Autosport (the respected British
racing magazine), free for the taking- come pick up in Mountain View.

And if you're getting this in Timbuktu, sorry about that- I've
tried to limit the distribution to the Bay Area, but you know how 
well that works.

Reply to skod@sun.com. And thanks- I just can't get myself to throw
them away, at $140/year...

-skod

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From: yancm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Eugene Harold Mcnay Ii)
Subject: Chevy A/B catch up with FORD?!
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:06:24 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Engines, Indy Cars, Tech. 

Even though the last 2 races have been road courses, it appears
to me that both Pesky ( oops, that's Pensky 8-) with their
Chevy B's and to some extent Rahal and Al Jr with their Chevy
A's are up with Michael. That is he no longer runs away from the
field until he wins or breaks.

ESPN mentioned intake plenum modifications being used by Pensky
and Rahal. The make no mention of Littl Al. but based on what I saw
I don't think the difference can be purely chassey tweaking. 
(Besides, what is Sullivans difficulty then?) So based on observation
I think little Al has the intake mod and Sullivan doesn't.

The intake plenum modification - guesses about engine technology.
I was at a talk in Detroit where one of the designers of the 
Chevy A was talking very generally about what made the Chevy/Ilmore
more potent than what was available to date (1989). Aparently
they had designed the intake plenum such that under operating
conditions, standing pressure waves (nodes) were set up to coincide with
the intake valves. The net effect of this was to get better
efficiency ( ie more real boost than the static plenum pressure -
the edge). Was this conciously done before this engine? That's
why I'm trying to start this thread! Anyway, here is a wild guess
as to why I think the FORD was more powerful. They used the standing
pressure wave trick and somehow managed to either find a better
location for the induction of turbo air and or located a low pressure
wave at the intake to the pop-off valve. Here lack-o-knowledge
hurts, because I don't know if teh pop-off valve is before the
plenum or mounted off of it - if anyone knows fore sure, I'd
like to hear... I tend to think it was something like this
because even teh ESPN anchors picked up teh term plenum as being
the key mod...

Anyway, I love the racing! Wheel to wheel, sweet passes -
Indy CAR racing! Seeming parity near the top and back in teh 
pack. It is really fun to watch, if only we had better TV coverage.
thanks for reading.
gene
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From: pod@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: David Letterman's top 10
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  1 Sep 92 07:19:28 GMT

In <1992Aug31.095713.1@wharfin.mit.edu> lang@wharfin.mit.edu writes:

>I thought it was also hilarious when Andrew Marriot finished one of the
>pit reports with "This Robin Leach back to you Bob."

>Apparently the guys from ESPN had to explain to Andrew just _who_ Robin
>Leach was.

I have a feeling I am about to embarrass myself here.....

Who _is_ Robin Leach?
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Lola BMS Scuderia Italia (was Re: Road America 200 Results)
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:22:39 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Jay C. Smith writes:

>In article <7146687106226@c00482-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu> I wrote:
>>In related news:  After the F1 sponsorship deal with Texaco fell through, 
>>Lola is now joining forces with Larrousse to form the Lola BMS Scuderia 
>>Italia team.  Ferrari will continue to supply the engines.  Michael Andretti 
>>was widely thought to be first in line for a seat on a Lola F1 team, but I 
>>don't think he'll be interested in what has been Ferrari's "B" team.
>
>It has been pointed out to me that this sounds like I'm confusing Venturi-
>Larrousse with Dallara BMS Scuderia Italia.  And I agree, but here's the
>blurb as it appeared in AutoWeek:
>
>LOTTA LOLAS.  The Lola factory will be busy in the coming months, building
>Indycars, the fleet of new Indy Lights and preparing for a return to F1.
>Lola Cars is joining forces with Gerard Larrousse to create a new Lola BMS
>Scuderia Italia team.  Ferrari will be the engine supplier but it has not
>been announced whether J. J. Lehto and Pierluigi Martini will keep the seats
>they've had on Larrousse's team.
>
>I leave it to the reader to figure this out.  And remember, this comes from
>the folks who said Patrick Racing was going to become a subsidiary of 
>Newman-Haas Racing (do you think someone told them Carl H. was going to
>buy Patrick, and it turned out to be Hogan rather than Haas?).

Scuderia Italia will drop Dallara in favor of Lola as the chassis supplier
for the team.  It's not known if Dallara will continue in F1.  I can only
guess the reason for AW's mixup is because Lola use to supply the Larrousse
team chassis.  As far as I know, Larrousse will continue to be involved with
the Venturi team.

Chalk up another one for AW.

Dan Jones
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:13:12 GMT


In a previous article, tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) says:

>		     3 Riccardo Patrese
                                 ^^^  ^
>		     4 Martin Brutal, I mean Brundle
                              ^^^^^^
>Mansell pulled out a slight lead on Patrese, who was hounded by Schu, Brutal,
                                      ^^^  ^                           ^^^^^^

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is wondering why you keep refering
to Brundle as Brutal.

???
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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: F1: some Belgian questions
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:17:10 GMT

From article <1992Sep1.164113.16615@ncsu.edu>, by chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler):
> 
> There is a short blurb in the "Beyond the Pond" F1 recap in this month's 
> RACER magazine that said something to the effect that the rule was changed
> after the French GP so that now drivers can change to rain tires at their
> discretion, and that the red flag will only be used in extreme conditions.
> 
> Anyway, I don't have the magazine in front of me, so I can't quote what they
> 
> -chuck-
> 
Is that RACER #5 that you're referring to?  If so, when did you get it?  It's
said in the back of issue #4 that #5 would be on the newsstands August 25, but
I have yet to receive my copy, and the local newsstand just got in #4 last
week.  The check for my subscription has cleared, so I know it isn't that.  
Are there any others out there who haven't gotten #5 yet?  Thanks,


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu




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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: Re: Televised Events #92-33
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:16:19 CDT


In article <24252@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel) writes:

> Inside Winston Cup                  8/29     3:30-4:00PM        TNN

This reminds me. What is the story with TNN vs. ESPN??? The last 3 or 4
weeks Inside Winston Cup with host Ned Jarrett has started out with "due
to contractual problems we are not allowed to show any highlights from last
weeks races." What's the deal here? This isn't helping ESPN or TNN or the fans
or the drivers or the sponsers or .... It isn't helping anybody.

-Dean
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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Birdie calls it quits w/the Dirt Devil
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:29:44 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA
Keywords: Birdie, Crew Chief Quits, #36, Dirt Devil


  Heard last night on 'NASCAR Live' that Kenny Wallace's crew chief, Birdie,
 has quit. DW's ol chief (who was going to lead his Winston Cup effort in
 93) will take over.

  My only question is did Birdie really quit, or was there more? Where will
 Birdie wind up next? He lead R. Moroso to his BGN championship only to be
 dumped when they went Winston Cup. Perhaps Birdie is just not Winston Cup
 material?!?

 -Dan

 PS:
     Once caller made a comment about it was nice of Ironhead to back off
     on Sunday and give the win to Joe Nimacheck (sp?). From my seat (tv)
     it was hard to tell if this did happen or not. Anyone know if its
     true?
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:40:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.074312.28392@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>|> Or why there is no U.S. G.P.
>
>Why isn't there any more, no suitable track? or is nobody interested?
>
>|> or American drivers
>|> in F1.
>
>No F1 culture, no desire to race in F1. Indy car/ Nascar etc is the
>popular motorsport and the thing to aim for when you start your career
>I suppose and probably no sponsorship from US companies etc.
>
Should we also introduce the economics of putting on a F1 race as
another reason surrounding the absence of an F1 race in the U.S.?
The most recent example to draw upon is, of course, the debacle in
Phoenix.  Granted, it WAS a temporary street circuit and the locale
was questionable in the first place (sorry Phoenicians - I'm still
jealous that you get CART, NASCAR, NHRA and now IMSA in your neck
of the woods).  But if I remember right the promoters lost it in
the shorts big time (which is true for just about any temporary
street course anyways).

Didn't FISA (still true today as well) require gobs of up-front
money in the form of guarantees, etc. that make the enterprise of
putting on an F1 event virtually insane?  There's no way for someone
to even break even, even if you sum up sponsorship money, tv money,
the paying gate, concessions, etc.  Plus some other requirements of
the F1 circus -- like permanent garages (is this not a requirement?)

This is one point I've never really understood, and could someone more
knowledgeable than me please give an explanation why permanent garage
facilities are necessary in F1?  I know of no other series,
international or usa-local, that HAS to have permanent garages.  The
transporter with extended tent setup seems to work for the folks at
IMSA, INDYCARS, NASCAR, NHRA, PRORALLY et all.  Just curious.

-c'ball-


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