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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Motorsports vs. Traditional Sports
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:24:38 GMT

andy@newton.cs.clemson writes:
>> >  I have often thought what a great sport inter-collegiate single
>> >seater racing would be.  Most universities have all the departments
>> >necessary to form a competative team.  You have the engineering and
>> >science departments to design and build a chassis and engine.  The

daniel lance herrick writes:
>This is not what you are talking about, but, a quarter century ago,
>Purdue University had an annual intramural cart race.  Some of the
>housing units seemed to take it seriously and have drivers who knew
>what an apex was.  And some others didn't.

Purdue still holds the Grand Prix every spring.  33 of the fastest qualifiers
race around a permanent track on the campus.  It usually is won by a team that
has a driver with racing experience.  It garner's TV coverage around here.

Then there's the Society of Automotive Engineers' Inter-Collegiate Formula
SAE competition........

Rob U
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Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
From: Stuart_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing)
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:15:46 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Drivers
1. Keke in a Filapaldi and a Chevron 
2  Gillies
3  Denny Hulme in anything from f1 to Trucks to Group A
4 Robbie Francavic in a Stockholm taxi or a Commodore in the wet
5  Nige 

Tracks
1 Silverstone particualy Stowe in the early 80s
2 Brands Hatch
3 Manfield you can see it all from your seat and everybody has one

I guess a bit of Kiwi bais in here but living at the bottom of the world
you take what you can get.
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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Re: Update: Tires - Slick vs. Treaded
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.044552.11107@thumper> meier@thumper (Christopher Meier) writes:
] Wrong.  Racers use slicks for better traction (in dry conditions).
] More surface area on pavement transfers more power to pavement,
] ie, less or no wheelspin.  Gas mileage has nothing to do with it.

Well, in racing, they don't usually worry about fule mileage when it comes to
tire choice. But fuel mileage is quite related to tires. The price of higher
traction is fuel mileage. Higher traction results from higher friction.
Higher friction increases drag. There are two things that keep a car from
getting infinite fuel mileage on a flat road: tire friction and air friction.
Fuel mileage would have a relatively dramatic boost if we could only make
cars float effortlessly...:-) ...but that would lead to a whole slew
of other problems (propulsion).

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Mr Versatile:  Andretti? Hmmmm ....
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:05:56 GMT

In article <Bvv599.yv@fang.att.com> agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)) writes:
>remember him ever driving F1 -- anybody remember????? Also, did AJ
>drive in any of the Monza "worlds" races in the 1950s?
>

AJ never ran F1.  The Monza races were before he became really active.
The races held there were 6/29/57 (3 non-championship events each on the
same day, each having a distance of 166.37 miles).  Jimmy Bryan won two
that day and Troy Ruttman won the third.  The next year the same thing
occurred (6/29/58) with Jim Rathmann taking all three.  

AJ's wins in foreign lands were Mosport, Ontario in '77 and Silverstone
in '78.

-cball-
From: hagood@sabre.den.mmc.com (Dave Hagood)
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Subject: Re: New Galmer at Nazareth.  Why?
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:12:37 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group

In article <1992Oct5.173110.29129@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|> Given that Al Jr. was leading the points (by one) going
|> into this weekend's Nazareth race, I'm somewhat amazed that
|> Galles chose this time to shake-out the new chassis.  Yes,
|> it had been planned for awhile, but if I were Rick and/or Al,
|> I think I would've decided against it and stayed with the '92
|> chassis.  Of course it's 20/20, but I feel that Al would've had
|> a better run than he did, thereby gaining more points.
|> 
	I also wondered about his.  During the pre-race interviews, Al Jr.
did not sound very happy at all about shaking out a new chassis during a 
race weekend.  He said something like "We shouldn't be testing a new chassis
during this weekend, but that's what we decided to do".

	Al Jr. 5 laps down?  That must have been a long race for him...

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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
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Subject: NASCAR: Charlotte Update (spoiler)
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:15:28 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

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From: sourlas@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Dennis Sourlas)
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Subject: F1 G.P. @ Japan : ESPN time of broadcast wanted.
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:51:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

Well,

the subject line says everything.  I would prefer it if
you could just e-mail to me instead of posting on the
newsgroup.

thanxs,
dennis.
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:57:03 GMT

>-       Rob Unglenieks             REAL race cars DON'T wear BOWTIES       -

Craig Witkowski writes:
>Then how come it's taken so long for the FoMoCo Blue Oval to wrangle the
>NASCAR Manufacturers Cup away from the Bowtie Brigade?  Let's see if the
>Ford camp can string together another eight MCs together - NOT!

It's amazing what they have done once they put their minds to it.  The 
factory unity has dramatically helped.  Sorry GM...

>Craig Witkowski                   Have you OUTdriven a Ford lately?
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, no.  A T-bird SC blew my doors off last weekend on South River Road.
I thought it was supposed to be too heavy?!  My poor General Maintenance
didn't even come close (although I made up ground on the curvy bits, I
must be a better driver than I thought).

Boycott GM until they stop crashing animals!!!!!!!!

Rob U, will not buy another GM until they stop using animals in tests
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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Heads up, San Jose!
Summary: Dirt track, midgets, sprints, CRA, BCRA
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:23:28 GMT


Wanted all the Silicon Valley dirt track fans to know about a show I'd
see if I hadn't made other committments already.

The CRA wingless sprint cars are appearing at San Jose Speedway this
Friday and Saturday night!!  This is only the second appearance ever
of the CRA at SJS.  Wingless sprint car racing provides lots more
sideways action and more evenly matched competition than the winged
sprints seen so frequently in these parts.

And on Friday the BCRA midgets join the seriously sideways sprints as
an opening act.  If you like clay in your beer don't miss this one!

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
    Looking for a clone to make the Shelby Club meeting Friday...

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Johnstone's IMSA Phoenix Diary
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:41:11 GMT

Even though PITSTOP was an abbreviated, late show last night
following the NL Playoff Game, Parker Johnstone gave me a call.
I first assumed he was calling from either the Phoenix or Del
Mar area, but nooooooo.......he was calling from THE movie 
theater in his hometown of Redmond, Oregon!  I kidded him about
going to watch "Days of Thunder" again :-)

Anyway, a summary of his notes on Phoenix, where he wrapped up his
second consecutive driver's championship in GTLights in the Comptech
Acura.  The manufacturer's race will go down to the wire at DelMar -
Acura vs. Buick:

-- During practice, Pete Halsmer (Mazda GTP) experienced a Goodyear
tire failure on the oval, crashed hard and destroyed the car.  Pete
came out ok.  Therefore going into the race on Sunday, Goodyear 
demanded that IMSA throw a full-course yellow 25 minutes into the race,
allowing pitstops to check the tires for the Goodyear-shod teams.
Acura's BFGoodrich's were fantastic on the oval and did not have any
problems during the entire weekend.

-- Because of these conditions (the mandatory yellow), Parker's teammate
Dan Marvin started the car on light tanks/soft tires since he'd only
have a 25 minute stint, then Parker would jump in and drive the final
1:35.  Unfortunately, something inside the motor went on the 17th lap
and the #49 car was retired on the spot.

-- The loss of the #49 caused Parker to have to take over (at the
yellow) the #48 car which is usually driven by Melgratti & Taylor.
Parker hadn't been in the car in over a month, and it carries the
different aero/wing package.  Also, because Melgratti/Taylor are on the
smallish-European scale of size, Parker said it was a real tight fit for
him in the cockpit.  Coupled with the unfamiliarity with the car, it was
tough for him to go immediately 10/10ths for the remainder of the race.
But things worked out in his favor, he eventually got the lead and
brought #48 home 4th overall, first in Lights.

-- The temp on raceday was about 99 degrees, but high humidity.  The GTP
runners (Fangio, Jones, Brabbham) as well as the Acura guys did ok, but
those who haven't conditioned themselves as well suffered the heat
during the race, and lap times dropped as things wore down.

-- There were quite a few enthusiastic spectators, and the folks at PIR
were very receptive to input.  The big talk in the paddock was running
this race on Saturday NIGHT next year, like 6-8pm!  It'd be cooler, and
nite racing is certainly making a comeback (on the ovals, of course).

-- But the highlight of the week for Parker?  Spending a couple of hours
at Luke AFB in the F15/F16 air-to-air combat flight simulator!  Racing
cars just ain't exciting enuf for him.

-cball-

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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:22:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct11.215820.7913@schbbs.mot.com> CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:
>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>-       Rob Unglenieks             REAL race cars DON'T wear BOWTIES       -
>------------------------- Reply ------------------------------------
>
>Then how come it's taken so long for the FoMoCo Blue Oval to wrangle the
>NASCAR Manufacturers Cup away from the Bowtie Brigade?

OOoooohh!  I really should know better, but I can't resist!

He said "REAL race cars".  Why are you talking about taxicabs?
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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Ferrari goes active with Larini
Date: 16 Oct 1992 12:30:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) says:

>This isn't exactly new news, having read it in last week's AutoSport, but
>since I haven't seen it posted yet, here goes.
>
>Larini will replace Capelli for the final two races of the season.  Ferrari
>hopes to debut their active suspension with Larini.  Alesi will continue to
>be passive :-).

Alesi probably does not want to drive an active suspension Ferrari.
I guess he thinks, if they can't get the regular suspension to work,
then how can they jump to making a active suspension work?

Someone posted something about Ferrari taking pictures of William's
suspension when Patrese made his shunt at Portugal.  I wonder
if Ferrari got enough information to do some quick hacking?
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From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Surface Area (was Re: Tires : Slicks vs. Treaded: Help Please)
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:39:19 GMT

In article <1av1igINNb2r@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:
|> In article <bassek.718451041@vipunen.hut.fi>, bassek@lesti.hut.fi (Basse Kankkonen) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> It ocurred to me that the formula of friction is F=u*m*g
|> |> (u=constant of friction,m=mass,g=acc. 9.81m/s^2)
|> |> This means that the traction is not depending on the area.
|> |> BUT the constant u is depending on the temperature, and a tire with less
|> |> area heats up faster and it will decrease the lifetime of the tire and the 
|> |> grip of course.
|> |> (Thats why cars don't use bicycle wheels!!!)
|> 
|> One correction.  While the above formula is correct, it is a common
|> mistake to apply it to tires in such a manner.  The reason for this
|> is *drumroll* statistics!  When applied to the surface area you are
|> assuming that all of the tire's surface area is in contact with the
|> tarmac.  This assumption is faulty due to inevitable inconsistencies
|> in the road surface.  The dynamic nature of the contact requires
|> highly complex modeling, the reason for numerical analysts being part
|> of the research staff at all major tire developers.
|> 

I concur with Shai.  My physics book is quite clear that the F=u*m*g
concept only applies to smooth, dry surfaces.  They even comment that
the whole concept of friction is still not fully understood.   

I once saw a write-up from someone in Cal Club who measured the force
it took to slide his tires sideways using only the wheel/tire and
a fish scales.  The results of this simple experiment would definitely
be interesting.  Anybody got a good fish scale and several types of
tires/wheels?

Mark
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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Re: Petrese too old ??
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:44:20 GMT

In article <10707549.1.718700371@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10707549@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (RADEK PRCHAL) writes:
]  to other drivers. After all just look at his F1 record !! In more than
]  220 races he only won 5 times. He has driven for number of teams, always
]  being their number TWO driver. Just look how easily Mansell beats him !!

Well the latter seems to easily explain the former, IMHO. Aren't first
drivers expected to win the races? What's Patrese's 2nd place record?

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From: chip@tr.UUCP (chip ragan)
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Subject: Re: I Hate Phoenicians!
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:56:38 GMT

From article <1992Oct7.202140.7687@ncube.com>, by bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe):
> Read the subject line.  You've got NASCAR, you've got IndyCars,
> you've now got IMSA (maybe under the lights next year), you've
> got NHRA (Firebird), you've got a bullring like Manzanita......
> 
> You've also got a great track owner/promoter - Buddy Jobe
> 
> You HAD F1 (but we won't count that against you :-)
> 
> How many times have I kicked myself for turning down that transfer
> to Chandler back in '87?!
> 
> Obviously, I'm really envious
> 
> -cball-

I wouldn't kick too hard.  Bernie Eccelstone wasn't that far from wrong about
PIR.  It's a hot, dusty race track in the middle of the cotton fields.  Firebird
is similar, only it's a hot, dusty race track in the middle of an Indian 
reservation.  Both Firebird and the new PIR road course are similar in that
they are flat, featureless tracks with several nice places to run into
hard concrete walls (I hate it when it happens. :)  ).

The PIR oval is easily the scariest place I've ever driven.  There is not room
for error.  I developed a lot a respect for oval drivers after racing there.

I've had fellow racers move from here to the Northwest and they've all preferred
the tracks there.  I supposed the grass is always greener.... 

Chip
Tucson, AZ
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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
Subject: Ferrari -- Newman Hass -- Mansell -- $1.5mil -- Nope!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:10:01 GMT

Howdy!
	I heard this weekend Ferrari affered Newman--Haas $1.5mil
to buy out Mansell's contract.  Is this real?  This from the
Checkered Flag episode of the Port GP (ESPN).
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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Re: Update: Tires - Slick vs. Treaded
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:36:39 GMT

In article <Oct.11.11.15.16.1992.19867@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu> boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) writes:
] gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_) writes:
] 
] >There are two things that keep a car from
] >getting infinite fuel mileage on a flat road: tire friction and air friction.
] 
] Well, actually, not to be picky, but there's also mechanical losses to
] friction in the drivetrain :-)

But if you don't have any tire or air drag, then you don't have to worry
about the drive train once the car is going - that's what I was thinking.

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From: gladish@suite.suite.com (Brian Gladish)
Subject: Re: Speed Comparison
Organization: Suite Software, Anaheim CA.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:44:09 GMT

In article <Oct12.174726.15809@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>  
dan@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Danilo Silva) writes:
> I was watching a motorcycle race on TV and wondering how those bikes  
(500s)
> would compare to F1 on a same track. I understand that a bike is usually
> faster than a car (like 0-60 in 2.7 sec for ZX11), but F1 ...???
> 
> Anyone ???

Having been on the track (Willow Springs) testing a FF simultaneously with
someone else on a bike (probably not F1, but full racing), I can say that
even without the aerodynamic aids of an F1 car I had to back off severely
in the corners if the bike was in front of me, but he disappeared in the
distance as soon as we hit the straight.

I would assume that the improved aerodynamics and power/weight ratio of
the F1 car would probably make it the superior of the F1 bike in overall
performance.

Brian
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From: cf@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (CF Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Nascar address needed
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:08:32 GMT

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From: jsw@umiacs.umd.edu (Jeff Webber)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Speed Comparison
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:54:56 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

In article <14OCT199214501623@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>Oh, but wait, you guys will love this one:
>
>Track       Motorcycle Lap Record  (91)   91 Nascar Pole Time
>
>Watkins Glen   1:32.340                      1:11.851
>Sears Point    1:42.000                      1:40.095

Watkins Glen has different lengths depending on how it is set up.
Were they both using the same course length??

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From: andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Re: Frank Williams don't want M.Brundle
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:02:36 GMT

In article <Bw49zr.Mxz@lut.fi> eklund@efa.cc.lut.fi (Jarkko Eklund) writes:
>Frank Williams has said he's not interested in taking Martin Brundle
>to his team. There are now three possible drivers to Alain Prost's
>team mate, Damon Hill, Al Unser jr. and Mika Hakkinen.
>
>Brundle was very confused 'bout Williams' announce. He thaught
>they had given him a place in the team already.
>
  Well maybe Prost has vetoed Brundle.  Brundle is a very competative
driver, in fact when he and Senna were in F3 they often ran together.
I would like to Mika get the ride.  I am sure he could use the active
Williams to its best potential.

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