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From: MMCDANIE@UMAB.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Hotels in London / Package Deals
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:27:17 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore

Can anyone recommend hotels in London?  We're going in Mid-March.
We're looking for cheap.  I know most hotel rooms are in the $200 range,
which is too high.  Around $100/night for a double w/ or w/o private bath
is what we want.

Second, how can I find out about package deals to London -- air, hotel,
some meals, tours, BritRail pass, etc.?  I've gone through a local travel
agent but they never get back to me!  Anything on-line (compuserve?) or
easily available?

Thanks!

    .
Molly McDaniel
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From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: Bad Experience of Renting Car from AVIS
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:35:22 GMT

This could have happened with any other rental company as well.
It seems to depend a lot on the agents you deal with, and you
may just be unlucky. But you should have done some things differently:

(1) Use the AVIS phone in Key West to make related long-distance calls.
(2) Insist on last names, they are not allowed to refuse you to tell their
    names. Even if you have to chase this guy down, I would do it. Send
    a letter to representatives higher up in the chain and a copy to the
    manages of your local office where this guy works. They should be able
    to figure out who he is. And insist on some additional reimbursement.
(3) Don't take the car to the dealer. That's their job. You should not have
    to spend any time on this.
(4) You should get a partial reimbursement for the hotel for this one night
    since you didn't have transportation to find a hotel with a "reasonable
    price" without a car. (Of course, you had to stay somewhere anyway, so
    a full reimburement seems unlikely.)
(5) If your car is acting strangly but you can still drive it, call around
    and find the next available rental place which is willing to swap. If
    you can't find one, drive until the car dies. I'm serious, only then
    will you get fast service. If it is a minor damage, ignore it until
    you get back, swapping cars takes too much time (as you know now...)
(6) Mention your frequent flyer number.

And still, all this might not help. But it's worth a try.

Frank
From: wagner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: What to do in Chicago?
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:26:04 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	
	I am going to be in Chicago on March 2 & 3. I would like to know what
the must see's are. Where must I go while there. I will not have a lot of time
to goof off as I have an audition on the 3rd. I would just like some ideas as
to what I should do while there.

	Please don't tell me about the tourist traps (a.k.a. Sears Tower.)
I want to know about the places the locals love to hang out. 

Thanx in advance.		wagner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: cstadgs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr R J Tinsley)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Scotland
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:21:21 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1jn97cINNgar@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.ALB@forsythe.stanford.edu
(Ann Babb) writes:
>Best time of year to travel to Scotland?  Interesting things to see
>near Edinborough and/or Glasgow?  The Highlands?

Yet another person getting the net do their homework for them. <sigh>

-Bob

Try subscribing to rec.travel.please.hold.my.hand
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From: nguyenth@floreal.ibp.fr (Thao Nguyen)
Subject: Long trip: Paris-Saigon
Organization: Universite PARIS 7 - UFR d'Informatique
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:52:07 GMT

Hi there,

Having read Paul Theroux's book about his trip (UK-Japan and back essentially by train) 
I have dreamed of doing the same for some time. Now I feel prepared for this long journey :)
My plan is more or less: Paris-Mosow-Vladivostok-PyongYong-Seoul-China (Beijing,Shanghai,
Tibet-Guangdong)-HongKong-Hanoi-Saigon.
Thus I'll need info on the various visas (eg for Russia or other repubublics, N-Korea, China, VN...),
the train fares (which I presume should be *cheap*!) and the living expenditures you may think
I'll have to take into consideration.
Thank you for your anwers - I'll summarize.

-- 
Florence Nguyen
Believe it or not but I have no e-mail address! Perhaps because I don't know it :)
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:08 PST
Subject: Re: Cheap Accommodations in Munich
Nf-ID: #R:2B5612A3.28586@ics.uci.edu:661639059:cdp:1460300144:000:411
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jan 24 14:08:00 1993


Just spent three days in Munich...stayed at the Pension Augsberg on
Schillerstrasse two blocks from the train station...very clean
room with shower in it (toilet down hall) and breakfast for $50
a night for two people. Liked the neighborhood as it was close
to everything and walking was also easy.

Inside the train station is an information office and they can
call pensions and hotels for you.

Debra Guzman

Xref: sparky rec.travel:18388 soc.culture.french:10050 soc.culture.spain:5344
From: sb@duke.cs.duke.edu (Subhrajit Bhattacharya)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.spain
Subject: Tourist info required
Keywords: Madrid, Grenoble, travel
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:56:42 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Hi,

I am going on a short business-pleasure trip to France/Spain.
I am attending a conference at Grenoble. I am flying into
Paris on the 20th of February. Then I take the TGV to Grenoble.
Stay in Grenoble till the 25th. Then I make my way to Madrid
from where I fly back on March 2nd. 

(1) Can anyone tell me a cheap place to stay in Grenoble ?
    The conference I am attending is being held at 
         Institut National Polytechnique de Grenoble
         46, Avenue Felix Viallet
         38000 Grenoble
         
(2) Also I would like suggestions on places I can visit given
    my schedule. I plan on staying in youth hostels 
    whenever possible, I do not plan to camp.

Thank you very much,

Subro-- 

Subhrajit Bhattacharya
Department of Computer Science              Internet: sb@cs.duke.edu
Duke University				    UUCP:     mcnc!duke!sb
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From: pat@engr.ucf.edu (Patricia Therrien)
Subject: Re: How/Where to see a shuttle launch
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:45:19 GMT

In article <C17FpM.Fru@dircon.co.uk> sys0002@dircon.co.uk (Julian Hayward) writes:
>
>My next trip to Florida appears to coincide with a shuttle launch 
>and I'd welcome peoples comments on whether it is worth watching?
> 
>I believe you have to be a VIP to get into any of the viewing 
>areas? Does anyone have any tips for good public viewing spots 
>or details on how I could get a ticket?
> 
>Cheers, julian

Julian,

You only need a pass to get into the really-up close spots for viewing
launches.  If you know anyone who works for NASA or a contractor at the
Kennedy Space Center, you might give them a call and see if they can
get you a car pass.  This would allow you into KSC.  If you don't have
those connections, there are plenty of places to watch launches, you 
just need some binoculars to see a more than a glowing orange ball 
heading for the heavens.  Cocoa Beach, just north of the pier is a good
spot, as is Titusville, along US 1 by the Indian River.  Both are
free, but first come, first serve as far as parking goes.

From my point of view, a shuttle launch is ALWAYS worth watching.

Happy Viewing!
-- 
Patricia Therrien (Patty)		| "So many nights I just dream of 
University of Central Florida		|  the ocean, God I wish I was
Department of Mechanical Engineering	|  sailing again."
pat@engr.ucf.edu			|  ****************************
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From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu (Brandon France)
Subject: Re: Information on Western Russia
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:33:41 GMT

oops, just as I sent that last message I realized that I really meant
eastern Russia....sorry...
 
Thanks,
Brandon France
fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Ashevill & Arts and Crafts Furniture
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:48:46 GMT

In article <19884@mindlink.bc.ca> Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle) writes:
>I'm going to Asheville, N.C.  in mid-Feb. to write a story about a big
>conference on Arts and Crafts Furniture and pottery and textiles... wonderful
>stuff.  But stupidly I did not get it together fast enough to stay in the
>Grove Park Inn (filled with the stuff)  and need to find a great place to
>stay.  Any recommendations?  Any things I shouldn't miss in North Carolina.
>I'll rent a car and bumber around a bit afterwards.  Thanks.

I don't have any real inside info, but there are a couple of things in
the Asheville area you're sure to hear about:  the Blue Ridge Parkway and
the Biltmore Estate.  Make sure you take a drive on the Parkway.  You can
get a Parkway map that'll show you various points of interest where you
can hike, etc.  The Biltmore Estate is the home of (or one of many homes
of) George Vanderbilt the railroad tycoon, and it is spectacular.  It
features a mansion, gardens, and a winery.  It's worth seeing, but it costs
quite a bit -- maybe $20 per person.

Since you're going to Asheville for a crafts conference I'm sure you'll
be aware of the crafts center (I forget its exact name) on the Parkway
near Asheville.  Folks from there will probably be at the conference.
It's definitely worth seeing.

A place not too far from Asheville that I've enjoyed visiting is Chimney
Rock.  That's where the recent movie "The Last of the Mohicans" was filmed.
Like the Biltmore Estate, it is privately owned and the admission is not
cheap -- maybe $10 for this place.

But there are plenty of great places to visit for free in the area, like
Pisgah National Forest and others.
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From: inky@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (barbara.l.leone)
Subject: Cape Cod
Keywords: Whale Watching, Dune Riding
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:04:13 GMT

I am planning a long weekend on Cape Cod
in May, 1993.  I am interested in places to
stay in and around the Hyannis area...close
to Ferry...and also information on whale
watching out of Provincetown.

Thank you,
Barbara Leone
bll@att.com.hotld
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From: ah505@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Quinby)
Subject: Re: adventure in latin- and southamerika
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:45:54 GMT


In article <1993Jan25.172146.19126@super.org> jill@super.org (Amelia
J. Scott-Piner) writes about chewing coca leaves:

>The local indians chew wads of it.  We didn't go that far.  Refused it on the
>first stop, were dying for air by the second so we drank a cup for relief.  It
>worked for about an hour, then the headaches came back in full force.

One cup won't do very much, two will give you a buzz but a whole pot. . .
Works better than anything else I have tried. Chewing the leaves
mixed with lime is a drag. Try a pot.

		Brian

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From: searle@pts.mot.com (Stephen G. Searle)
Subject: Travel Info on Thailand
Followup-To: rec.travel
Reply-To: searle@mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:04:53 GMT

Posting for a friend who cannot post.
Please post and e-mail replies (to jim.bracco@telematics.com),
if possible.  Thanks.

-------

Is it feasable to travel about in the northern regions of Thailand
on your own if you do not speak or read Thai?  Is it a good idea?
IE: Bangkok to Chaing Mai, Nong Kai.

How is travel by car and train in these regions for non-Thai-speaking people? 

I have not found anyone who has traveled these parts independently, (not
as part of a tour) and would appreciate any firsthand info in this regard.

-------

---
Stephen G. Searle  (searle@mot.com)
Motorola, Inc., Paging Products Group, Boynton Beach, FL  USA
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: RE: Jubilee to Mexico
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:25:53 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

wwl@panther.cs.wisc.edu (William W. Lin) writes:

WWL> A friend and I are tentatively set to cruise on the Jubilee 
WWL> (Carnival) to Mexico in March. My travel agent told me that 
WWL> it is quite nice and geared towards young people. I am wondering 
WWL> how people who have been on such a cruise think of it. Any 
WWL> information will be aprreciated. 

I'd love to tell you and the world how horribly my Carnival cruise went a year
or so ago, but there just isn't enough room here.

If you or anyone you know has access to CompuServe, GO TRAVSIG and browse the
cruise library on keyword HORRIBLE or CELEBRATION or CARNIVAL or something
like that.  My first letter to them on this issue is in there.  I may someday
put the whole set of correspondence into a file for downloading and sharing,
but it's _awfully_ large.  Suffice it to say that Carnival is as likely as not
to take your money and give you absolutely nothing of any value in return.

And if anyone at Carnival is reading this and thinking 'libel,' go ahead.  Try
to sue me.  The truth is the perfect defense.  (They haven't so far, and I'm
pretty sure that a forum leader on CIS showed them my letter before releasing
it for downloading.)

Aloha,
--Adam--
 
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From: crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen)
Subject: Re: Germany?
Organization: CRI, institute for telecommunication and computerservices.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:29:18 GMT

In article <C16pMu.2n0@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au> ajl@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au (Alexandre Lefebvre) writes:
>thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
>
>>My husband and I are looking to go to Germany in May.  I have heard it
>>is not the place to be now.  We have relatives there, so we really want
>>to go.  Anyone have any info?
>
>If you don't go to the new Laender (east), and maybe some border towns
>in the east of the west part, the Germans are not more anti-foreigners 
>now than they were before the reunification and its troubles came.
>
>The German attitude to foreigners is that they are foreigners and
>will always be. They are a bit patronizing/pedantic to this respect
>(a bit like the Japanese).
>Being a foreigner in Germany means that you'll be considered as a
>foreigner, in general.
>This is a general statement, reflecting the feelings that you might
>have, and not the behaviour of all Germans of course.
>
>So I'd say there is NO problem to visit Germany as a non German at the
>moment.
>
>In general, staff in shops are very unfriendly in Germany (this is
>for everyone, and a bit more unfriendly to tourists), and when you
>go shopping you have the weird impression that you are annoying them, 
>and that they don't have any sense of service. Get used to it!
>
>Beware as well that the Germans are the world champions in cheating
>in queues (lanes). Watch your turn!
>
>Apart from that, the Germans in general speak pretty good English, and
>are willing to use it, so it's not a problem not speaking the language
>there, as soon as you're not too aggressive (try introducing and excusing
>yourself in German first).
>They can be really nice people, and have a good sense of enjoying parties.
>They ARE organised, and it does make life simpler in many cases.
>
>    alex
>
>PS: I left Germany 1 year ago, and I had lived there for 5 years. 
>Im French.
>>>> Being french and living (correct me if i am wrong) in OZ <<<<
>>>> could you not replace Germany by OZ in your description ???? <<<<<


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From: qchlee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Henry Lee)
Subject: Travelling in New England this summer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:15:59 GMT

I'm planning to have a trip in New England (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire,
Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut) this summer. I want to travel
by train and bus only. Can anyone give me some info of what interesting
things I can see in these places and where to stay? 







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From: savigni@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Mad Andy)
Subject: Biking in the Kuusamo area, Finland
Keywords: Finland, Biking
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:17:57 GMT


Hi,
I'd like some information about biking in the Kuusamo area.
I'm planning a trip there next summer, around end of July
to August.
I'd like to know something about weather, road conditions,
campsites or youth hostels.
I'd also like to know if there are villages in the area, 
so that I can buy food and perhaps find a bicycle repair
in case something goes wrong. I have a good mountain
bike, so I won't mind about rough roads or tracks.
Also, do you know how I can ship my bike up to there?
I think the nearest train station is in Rovaniemi, which
is about 200 km away from Kuusamo: can I bring my bike
with me on the train from Helsinki, or should I ship it?
Can I ship it straight from home to Rovaniemi?
Please, if possible, reply by e-mail.
Thanks in advance,
Andy.
P.S.: I believe that area is flat: is it?
-- 

=====================================================================
Andrea Savigni (despite my name I'm a man)
Computer Science Dept.   Univ. of Milan, Italy
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From: zayas@theking.rtp.dg.com (Mike Zayas)
Subject: Re: ALASKA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:07:58 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

Thanks for your responses to my request for Alaska information. The
two most useful suggestions I have received were:
  
  -pick up a copy of The Milepost (approx $20) at a major bookstore.
   It is a magazine/book highlighting how to plan a trip, what to do
   once you get there, etc..., also with alot of ads.
  -request a tourist info packet from the State of Alaska Dept of
   Tourism by calling Juneau: (907) 465-2010.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From:  (Nathaniel Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Need info on Albuquerque
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: The World Bank
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:23:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.195242.833@athena.mit.edu>, rnewman@athena.mit.edu
(Ron Newman) wrote:
> 
> > My parents are considering a trip to Albuquerque in the next few weeks. They
> > want to find out if that is a good place to retire too.
> 
> I have to say that when I drove across the US eight years ago, I found
> Albuquerque utterly lacking in charm or character.  Most of it seemed
> to be a sprawling mess of suburban trash, err, tract homes, fast food
> joints, and highway clutter.
> 
> I suggest skipping it entirely.  Poke around nearby Santa Fe and Taos instead.
> They still have a distinctive culture, and most of their historic character
> intact.

I lived in Albuquerque for a couple of years and enjoyed it a great deal. 
I chose Albuquerque over Sta Fe or Taos because I was told job
opportunities and the younger single crowd were more prevalent.  These are
likely not the concerns of a retiring couple, but after living there a
while I was pleased with my decision for other reasons.

Albuquerque is warmer in the winter than Santa Fe or Taos, and yet is not
uncomfortably hot in the summer.  On a sunny winter day, you can expect to
go around in a light jacket with temperatures in the fifties-- but it does
cool off at night or when it is cloudy.  When it does snow, it generally
will melt off the first sunny day.  This isn't really true for Sta Fe or
Taos.

In summer it will get into the nineties with some regularity, and it is
mighty hot when you get into a car that has been sitting in the sun, but I
was never uncomfortable like I was in Tucson.

As to the general appearance of the town, yeah, a lot of it is ugly. 
Central Avenue, the area around the Airport, Fourth Street, Yale Avenue,
and many other areas are sprawling messes, and the South Valley is pretty
crime ridden.  But by the same token Corrales and the North Valley have
some staggeringly pretty properties, great communities, and convenience to
a metropolitain center that Sta Fe and Taos cannot offer.  

Sta Fe and Taos are beautiful areas, but they are very expensive to live in
on a retiree's income and much of the local "scene" is cloyingly hokey.
   
> 
> 
> --
> Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com

--------------------------------------------
Nathaniel Dickinson
The World Bank
Washington, DC
ndickinson@worldbank.org
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From: Glen_Houghton@mindlink.bc.ca (Glen Houghton)
Subject: Re: How long to stay in HongKong/Bangkok/Singapore ?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:46:37 GMT

I would recommend allowing a few days in Singapore as it is quite an
interesting city. I was there for a 2 day stop-over and wish I'd had more
time the sites are many and the service is wonderful. Also Malaysia is just a
short trip away. Get in touch with the Singapore Tourist Board. If you need
an address drop me a line. Don't miss Singapore!
Regards
Glen Houghton

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From: veitch@vxcrna.cern.ch (Liz Veitch)
Subject: Re: What's your favorite beach? (2nd post)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:21:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.175545.4606@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, vernick@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Michael Vernick) writes...
>I'm gathering information on the worlds best beaches.  I've only gotten
>about a dozen responses but would like more.   Send me a list of
>your favorite beaches and why. Include both pros and cons, if any.
>A summary will be posted.
> 

The silver sands around Morar, on the West coast of Scotland.  The sand 
there contains ground up mother-of-pearl, so its stunningly sparkling 
white when the sun shines. The sea is warmed by the Gulf Stream, so the 
climate there is milder than you'd expect.  (Ever see the movie "Local
Hero" ?  That was filmed nearby.)

Liz
From: endurb3@falcon.is (endurb3)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: what to do in Baltimore
Date: 21 Jan 93 04:11:32 GMT
Organization: Civil Aviation Administration, Iceland

can anyone give me recomandations on what to do over there and what 
to see, for instance places of interest, where to shop and dine.
thanks. retlaw.
From: geusch@informatik.hu-berlin.de ()
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Help wanted -> looking 4 tips
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:29:12 GMT
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mx500.informatik.hu-berlin.de

Hi U!

I'm doing this posting for a friend of mine. I'm not sure, if this is
the right newsgroup, but help anyway, please. 
E-Mail me (geusch@informatik.hu-berlin.de), Thanx in advance
 CU



Hello !

Is there anybody out there who can help me to get to the STATES, 
AUSTRALIA or NEW ZEALAND as cheap and as long as possible ?
I need to know all about getting there, by ship or,if necessary,
by plane; working there (unskilled) and living there (houses,
flats, hostels aso). Time: between april and august 1993. Main 
problem: MONEY!!, therefor as cheap as possible. I'll be glad
about any kind of tip, address or something like that.
THANKS, 
shark.
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From: sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky)
Subject: Hotels in Cancun
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:13:18 GMT

Folks,

I am going for vacations to Cancun, Mexico. From many sources I
gathered that one should be very careful choosing the hotel because of
water problem and in some cases safety too. I was also told that some
places are not quite good for diving.

If anybody has any sort of experience to share, I'd greatly appreciate
an advise.

Thank you in advance.


		Sasha

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