Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace
Subject: Re: A2000 With Frills FOR SALE!!!
From: avogel@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:13:11 EDT
 <1992Oct10.131101.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <12OCT199209362903@summa.tamu.edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <12OCT199209362903@summa.tamu.edu>, cpw8034@summa.tamu.edu (ALAN C. WEN (409)693-2924) writes:
>>>>Package SALE =  YOUR PRICE!!! = $1295
>>Yes, ok 1499 lets see now - I will figure 8.25% tax which you would have to pay
>>when you buy new. $1499 * 0.0825 = 123.67
>>Ok so that total comes to $1622.67 Now that is even BEFORE a MONITOR!
> 
> So, how much can you get a 15.75KHz RGB monitor 'nowadays'?  As you would say,
> Gosh you know, I can get a SVGA monitor used for about the same price as
> a used Magnavox or Commie RGB monitor...  Go to any department store and check
> out their NEW prices for monitors and then go your your educational discounts
> even for a 1084s.  As you have so eloquently noted below, you're trying to
> compare monitor prices using the Commie 1960 as a battering ram.  Most 
> intelligent A3000/A4000 owners know that on dollar for dollar, the 1960 doesn't
> match up in performance nor cost.


No thats not what I am saying I am saying that the price of a new A3000 which
is VERY attractive ($1499) is a bit misleading because what you have to factor
in is tax and that the price doesn't include with a monitor.  Tax adds another
124 dollars making it about $1632 then one has to buy a monitor. Now what you
want is a multi-scan monitor which cheapest will cost about $400 (that would be
a lopp tech one or a Panasync) and you can go up from there.  I would say with
tax the average monitor in the lower to mid range would be (generously) $450 -
forget about the Com 1960 which is outrageously priced for a .31dpi monitor. 
Anyway that brings us to $2073.  Now that is the REAL price of purchasing an
A3000 not just $1499 but almost $2100 - which is about an additional $600
investment.
	Secondly the price of the A3000 is only good for the remainder of
October - then the prices go back up (about $1789 or so). 
 
> 
>>You can buy the 1960 for whatever that costs and my system includes the 1084S
>>and it includes Microway's Fliker Fixer so you can hook up most any other 
>>VGA or SVGA monitor.  So the way I see it - I am saving someone $327.67 before
>>a monitor for instead of a new A3000.  A monitor is gonna cost you at least
>>about $450 for a low-end one when all is said and done - so what is that now
>>about $777.67.  Gosh you know, I don't know of that many people who have
>>almost $800 that they "don't care about."  I admit the A3000 prices are rock
>>bottom - but still there is nothing unreasonable about my offer.  You present
>>only half the facts!
 
> "Gosh you know," I don't know who's the one that's presenting "only half the
> facts"...  What have I left out that's so important to you?  Maybe you shouldn't

What you left out was what I call the REAL price of an A3000 (see above).  Its
not just you it is the misleading cost of an A3000.  It is not ust a $1500
invesment which would only be a $200 difference from what I am asking - of
couse I would be crazy if that were tru.  Howver, as I showed, the REAl price
comes to about $2100 which is an $800 difference.

> insult the intelligence of the readers by LEAVING OUT THE FACT THAT YOUR
> MACHINE IS A USED UNACCELERATED 7.16MHZ 68000 16/32 BIT MACHINE AS OPPOSED TO
> A *NEW* 25MHZ 68030 32 BIT WORKSTATION.  (caps lock <on/OFF>)

No where did I try to mislead readers - my machine is unacclerated stock A2000
motherboard - anyone looking for an A2000 would know this.  Come on - I am by
NO means saying that my machine is anywhere better than a 3000 - of course not!
I am saying that if someone cannot afford to spring for an A3000 for $2100 with
monitor and all - I am offering my A2000 for $800 cheaper - yeah its not an
'030 or have an '882 - it is what it is.
> 
> If you want to compare prices fairly Andrew, you shouldn't leave out some
> components of another system while maintaining the same price for yours.

Come on that is a stretch - no kidding there isn't an '030 in my 2000 that
isn't misleading.  I think an $800 difference is significant enough to make up
for this deficit.  I also would like to know where I err in my original price
list of new and used prices.  If any one of them is way off base lemmie know
and I will adjust my offer accordingly.  Thanks.
						--Andrew

> 
> "So the way I see it - I am saving someone $327.67 before a monitor for
>  instead of a new A3000."  --Andrew
> 
> Need I say more?
> 
> alan