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From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: How to make only one file readable?
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:37:05 GMT

In article <BRIAN.92Dec16063431@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu> brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes:

>    I've written a .plan file and when I FINGER myuserid it prints the
>    .plan file. I use this as a reminder like utility, adding todo info
>    to the .plan and my login.com has a line $ FINGER myuserid
>    in it. I want other people to be able to get this info but because of
>    file protections it doesn't get printed. I don't really want to
>    bother with ACL's because there's too many people that I'd like to be
>    able to access this information. Is there some way to set this up?
>    Oh yeah, we're running VMS 5.5 with MULTINET for TCP/IP services.
>    Thanks in advance, if I get an answer I'll post a summary here.
>   --

 Nothing like following up to ones own post but, I guess I left out a
 few facts in the first post.

  One: I already know how to set file protections.
  Two: I DO NOT want my directory world readable.
      (I often use filenames that contain either people's names and/or
       obcenities so that they stand out when I list them).
       (OK, I'm a little nuts, so what?)

 I want to leave the protection on DSK3:[BDOWNING] (WRED,RWED,,)
 But I want the protection on DSK3:[BDOWNING].PLAN (WRED,RWED,,R)

 FINGER won't allow anyone to see the .PLAN file without me first
 setting my directory world readable. 

 Now the readl question, is there any way around this?

 Oh by the way, someone asked why I FINGER myuserid in my LOGIN.COM
 rather than just TYPEing the .PLAN file. I use MM because I think
 VMS MAIL stinks and MULTINET's FINGER will tell me if I have new MM
 messages when I FINGER myuserid.

 Thanks again,

--

 Brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
From: CCWAYNE@USTHK.UST.HK ("Wayne Yung, CCST HKUST, Tel:358-6228, Fax:358-2034")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Rdb Forum available ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:46:24 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:59 HKT



Is there any DEC Rdb Forum available ?  If yes, how to subscribe it ?

Thanks.

Wayne
ccwayne@usthk.ust.hk
From: kullmann@urz.unibas.ch (Peter Kullmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Problems with SZ
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:01:22 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland


I have problems using SZ.EXE (send Z modem) on our VAX. For very short files
it works O.K. but I get a lot of CRC errors and quite often I get the msg
'data subpacket too long'. That alone would not be too bad as long as the
data is resent. But, after about 10 errors the sender (VAX) doesn't seem
to listen to the receiver anymore. The receiver waits and prints 'timeout'
before it aborts the transfer. Now, after having received the abort sequence,
SZ exits and VMS redisplays the prompt, but the connection to my terminal is
interrupted, that is, I can type whatever I want and the VAX doesn't get it.
I then have to hang up my modem.

Any help is greatly appreciated. And please excuse me if that doesn't belong
to that newsgroup.

-- 
Peter

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: mueller@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Eric Mueller)
Subject: RE: MOVE for VMS
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:42:03 GMT


Hi all

> I am looking for a Vms MOVE command (I'ld prefer a fully Vms command
> which
> allows /LOG, /CONFIRM, /EXCLUDE etc. qualifiers).
>
> I haven't seen anything like it yet, so I wrote my own (in DCL :-{), but
> I can't get it working the way I want it to.
  
Hm, you just want to move a file?

What about a simple RENAME oldfile.lis newfile.lis?? I think this is
doing what you want, isnt it.

Greetings

- Eric Mueller

eric.mueller@rzvax.ethz.ch
eric.mueller@rz.id.ethz.ch 

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ccdk001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: ACP-QIO to read QUOTA.SYS
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:56:39 CST

I'm looking for a short example using the QIO-ACP interface to diskquota.
I can't seem to get my code to work, and the documentation isn't clear
enough for me.  (I haven't used the QIO-ACP interface before, and I'm
trying to do it from Fortran).  The unclear parts are:

  o Is the CHAN arg to $QIO a channel to the device or to QUOTA.SYS?

  o Can/should the P1 parameter be Fortran structure type /JIBDEF1/,
     /JIBDEF/, or those UNIONed togather? (i.e. can it be a short JIB,
     and if so how short?)

  o Do you need the P2 arg if the JIB$L_CNTRLVAL is set to match all
     group & member UIC's, and if so, what do you put in the the
     DQF$L_UIC field of the quota data block?

  o What value do you put in the 2nd word of the descriptor to the
     JIB & quota block? (e.q. what are "x" and "y" in DSC$K_DTYPE_x
     DCS$K_CLASS_y.  I'm currently trying to use zero for both...)

Please, a sample if you have one handy.  Fortran preferred, C or Macro-32
are also fine.

Thanks,

++ Dave
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Sysop checking mail
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:48:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <17573@umd5.umd.edu>, dmatthews@uap.umd.edu writes...
# 
#1. Question:  What authentication facilities are provided by VMS, or available
#from third parties?  It seems it would take a bit of effort to falsify the 
#message header, but I'm sure it's been done.

Talk to Innosoft (sales@innosoft.com) about PMDF support of authenticated
mail.

#2. Comment: I guess most managers would go through the roof when they learned
#their subordinates were sending encrypted messages to anyone, without
#management authority. 

Not anywhere I've every worked.  Which totalitarian state do you work
in where every mail must be available to your manager?

#Dr. David L. Matthews, IPST, Univ. of Maryland, College Park MD 20742-2431 
#Telephone  (301)405-4830	Internet   dmatthews@uap.umd.edu
#FAX 	   (301)314-9363	NSI/SPAN   UMDUAP::DMATTHEWS

Ehud

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Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
How many retured bricklayers from FLORIDA are out purchasing
 PENCIL SHARPENERS right NOW??
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: kega@nobeltech.se (Kent Gabrin)
Subject: Re: MOVE for Vms anywhere ?
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:16:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.123646.10279@crpmks.uucp> billb@crpmks.UUCP (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems)) writes:
>In article <4046351@zl2tnm.gen.nz> don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
>>ARNE@KOPC.HHS.DK (Arne Vajhxj) writes:
>>>   MOVE:==@disk:[dir]MOVE.COM
>>>
>>> where MOVE.COM contains:
>>>
>>> $ if f$parse(p1,,,"DEVICE") .eqs. f$parse(p2,,,"DEVICE")
>>> $ then
>>> $     rename 'p1' 'p2' 'p3' 'p4' 'p5' 'p6' 'p7' 'p8'
>>> $ else
>>> $     copy 'p1' 'p2' 'p3' 'p4' 'p5' 'p6' 'p7' 'p8'
>>> $     delete 'p1'
>>> $ endif
>>> $ exit
>>>
>>> There is still a few restrictions compared with a real DCL command:
>>>   - qualifiers must be specified after the parameters
>>>   - if the COPY/DELETE is used, then version numbers must be specified
>>
>>  $ MOVE VERY-IMPORTANT.FILE; WHOOPS-I-MADE-A-MISTAKE.###
>>  %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter, check use of special characters

   Only Warning => Continue.

>>  $ DIR VERY-IMPORTANT.FILE
>>  %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found
>>
>>Guys, how about a bit of quality control in your examples... 8-)
>
>
>What caused that?  The delete should not have run if the copy failed (set noon 
>was not done at the beginnin).  What gives?

   Default in a command procedure is ON WARNING THEN CONTINUE and
ON ERROR (and SEVERE_ERROR) THEN EXIT.

( I learned that back in 1980 reading page 5-18 chapter 5.7.4.2 in the
book 'VAX/VMS Command Language User's Guide VAX/VMS V01.5'   ;-)  )

Kent Gabrin   NobelTech Systems    ! My thinking is not as great as
S-175 88 Jaerfaella      Sweden    ! Oliver Berendinus Bumble /Will Try
KEGA@nobeltech.se ! System Manager (Since 1982) VAXCluster (Since 1985)


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: welchb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Warning.  XWATCH/SPY causes crash.
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:45:29 GMT

	There may have been previous threads on this subject which I
missed, because I did not realize at the time that it was pertinent.  So if
this is all old stuff, please skip this message.  In any case, I would 
appreciate any corrections to factual errors.

	We had a system crash (VMS 5.5-1).  My rudimentary analysis of
the crash dump showed "unexpected system service exception".  Further
analysis by DEC showed that it was due to use of XWATCH/SPY, by Nick
deSmith, 1991 OCTOBER 10, even though we had used this product successfully
many times before.

	The DEC engineer said
1) They have 2 or 3 calls a day on crashes caused by this. It writes into
the non-paged memory pool (which is not in itself a bad thing), but
the product is basically older and unsupported.
2) A typical supported 3rd-party product, but costly, would be Peek-and-Spy. 
3) DEC is working on a similar product in collaboration with Clyde Digital.

	Thus I looked in the Info-VAX Monthly Posting.  This pointed me
toward the Supervisor Series.  I hope this will be a reasonable, inexpensive
cure [please correct me, especially if it too can cause crashes].  If 
other people are in the same difficulty,
Supervisor can be obtained from FTP.SPC.EDU.  I chose to
use the file service FILESERV@WKUVX1.BITNET, with the message in the text
SEND SUPERVISOR.  This gives 33 parts that take a lot of straightforward
but repetitive editting.  This is being taken apart, even as we speak,
by TPU in vaxshare; surprisingly this process has taken over an hour now.
	Thus I hope I am not premature or misleading in my suggested cure.
But I did want to warn people about the crashes, and it seems reasonable
to have the rest of the material in this same message.
-- 
Brendan Welch, UMass/Lowell, W1LPG,  welchb@woods.ulowell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: wethater@rodan.acs.syr.edu (William E. Thater)
Subject: EDT help, Please?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:41:27 EST

	A question for all the EDT experts out there. I'm posting this for
a friend of mine who is on a VAX that offers only the EDT editor. [Trust
me you DON'T want to know.] She would like to be able to quote mail
messages automaticly, or at least with one key binding, instead of having
to put a '>' in front of each line manualy. 
	Is there any way to do this with the eedtini.edt file. [like
define GOLD-V "do blah']. Or some other way to do this with the EDT
editor, like what I can do with TPU.
	She has no acces to TFM, but if you can point me at one, I might
be able to find it for her. [I have limited access to 'em.]
	Thank you,

Bill Thater
wethater@mailbox.syr.edu
From: ARNE@KOPC.HHS.DK (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: SYS$FIND_HELD
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:39:11 GMT
Organization: The Internet

> I am trying to determine the identifier(s) held by a user using the
> SYS$FIND_HELD system service but can't seem to get it working properly.
> 
> Would anyone happen to have an example coded in BASIC (ugh!)?
> I believe it involves the use of the SYS$ASCTOID and SYS$IDTOASC
> system services as well.

Here is a small example with SYS$ASCTOID,SYS$FIND_HELD and SYS$IDTOASC
in FORTRAN (we do not have basic !).

      PROGRAM Z
      INCLUDE '($SSDEF)'
      INTEGER*4 UNLEN,STAT,UNID(2),ID,CNTX,L
      CHARACTER*12 UN,S
      INTEGER*4 SYS$ASCTOID,SYS$FIND_HELD,SYS$IDTOASC
      WRITE(6,'(1X,A,$)') 'Enter username> '
      READ(5,'(Q,A)') UNLEN,UN
      STAT=SYS$ASCTOID(UN,UNID(1),)
      UNID(2)=0
      CNTX=0
100   STAT=SYS$FIND_HELD(UNID,ID,,CNTX)
      IF(STAT.EQ.SS$_NORMAL) THEN
        STAT=SYS$IDTOASC(%VAL(ID),L,S,,,)
        WRITE(*,*) S(1:L)
        GOTO 100
      ENDIF
      END

Hope it helps !

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: BINDING System disk to another disk
Date: 19 Dec 1992 12:53:57 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec17.125112.1@vulcan.mentec.ie>, peter@vulcan.mentec.ie writes:
=I've a Vaxstation 3100 with 3 x 100 Mb disks; 1 for a system disk, 1 user disk
=& 1 disk which I intend to use for products. 
=
=Now, the problem arises because Decwrite & similar products need to be installed
=on the system disk. However, by the time VMS and DecWindows are on the system
=disk then there's not much room left for anything else.
=
=In order to overcome this problem I decided to use MOUNT/BIND to join the
=system disk and the product disk together, so that VMS sees them as one volume.
=
=Great, I thought; but wait a minute, how do I dismount the system disk so that
=I can MOUNT it using BIND ?? And that's the problem, I need some mechanism to
=be able to mount the system disk so that I can bind it.

The system disk CANNOT be part of a bound volume set.  Period.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Making only one file readable (thanks/summary)
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:01:31 GMT


 I want to thank all those who replied to my posting regarding the
 setting of protection to make a file readable but leaving the
 directory essentially protected.

 phaniraj@plains.NoDak.edu
 hpassaue@silver.ucs.india
 TWTICK@corral.uwyo.edu
 FLOWERS@memstvx1.memst.edu
 bern@uni-trier.de
 GAVRON@ALPHA.SUNQUEST.COM
 carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU

 If I missed anyone, I'm sorry.

 The deal is that by setting the protection on the parent directory to
 (W:E) and the protection on the file to (W:R) the file becomes world
 readable while the directory is not.

 Thanks again,


--

 Brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: MOVE for Vms anywhere ?
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

ARNE@KOPC.HHS.DK (Arne Vajhxj) writes:
>   MOVE:==@disk:[dir]MOVE.COM
> 
> where MOVE.COM contains:
> 
> $ if f$parse(p1,,,"DEVICE") .eqs. f$parse(p2,,,"DEVICE") 
> $ then
> $     rename 'p1' 'p2' 'p3' 'p4' 'p5' 'p6' 'p7' 'p8'
> $ else
> $     copy 'p1' 'p2' 'p3' 'p4' 'p5' 'p6' 'p7' 'p8'
> $     delete 'p1'
> $ endif
> $ exit
> 
> There is still a few restrictions compared with a real DCL command:
>   - qualifiers must be specified after the parameters
>   - if the COPY/DELETE is used, then version numbers must be specified

  $ MOVE VERY-IMPORTANT.FILE; WHOOPS-I-MADE-A-MISTAKE.###
  %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter, check use of special characters
  $ DIR VERY-IMPORTANT.FILE
  %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found

Guys, how about a bit of quality control in your examples... 8-)

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
From: lauri@elwing.fnal.gov (Laurelin of Middle Earth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Splitting a user disk
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:58:56 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Reply-To: lauri@elwing.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: elwing.fnal.gov

Regarding search-list logicals for users....

Some years ago we had a very large bound volume set (17 disks comes to
mind, but that number may not be right).  It was getting to be unmanageable,
especially since *all* the users were unable to do any work if even one of
the disks went bad.

We broke up the one large USR$ROOT into 17 separate USR$ROOTn's (i.e.,
USR$ROOT1, USR$ROOT2, ... USR$ROOT17).  We define the USR$ROOT search list
logical name in /JOB mode during SYLOGIN; it is calculated "on-the-fly" so
that the first element in the list is *always* the user's SYS$LOGIN_DEVICE. 
(We define several USR$ROOT_LIST1 = "USR$ROOT1,USR$ROOT2,...USR$ROOT12,"
etc. lists in SYLOGICALS, then use F$TRNLNM("SYS$LOGIN_DEVICE") and suitable
string manipulation in SYLOGIN to calculate the user's own special
USR$ROOT).  This helped with lots of the problems -- BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.

We also developed a tool so that users didn't have to hard-code somebody
else's login area into their procedure etc.  (After all, we as system
managers wanted to maintain the ability to move users from one disk to
another for load balancing, but we wanted it to be transparent to the
users).  The tool is called ACCESS, and for example,
	$ ACCESS/USER ROBIN  
gives you 3 new logical names, conceptually equivalent to:

	ROBIN$HOME = USR$ROOTn:[ROBIN] (i.e., Robin's login directory)
	ROBIN$ROOT = USR$ROOTn:        (i.e., Robin's login root)
	ROBIN$HROOT= USR$ROOTn:[ROBIN.] (rooted pointer to Robin's files)

(This last logical was by far the most difficult to calculate and define; it
also turned out to be not so very useful, as everything you could do with
ROBIN$HROOT you could do with ROBIN$ROOT:[ROBIN.).

Our users are happy because they can write procedures that don't have to
look over all of USR$ROOT, they can get to the specific area they need. 
(USR$ROOT has grown to 25 or so by now...)  We are happy because we are free
to move users from disk to disk as space requirements demand.  Everybody is
happy because the good ol' USR$ROOT logical name still works.

Just my two cents, hope it's of some use to somebody.

-- lauri
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
| Laurelin Loebel            "All that is gold does not glitter,              |
| lauri@elwing.fnal.gov        Not all those who wander are lost..." - JRRT   |
|...they don't generally like what i say anyway, so i don't speak for them... |
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: CAFFEEC@leia.polaroid.com ("Cameron Caffee : W300F-2 : 222-6278")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: ANU-NEWS for Process Software TCP/IP - Port Available ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Does anyone know of a port of the well-known NNTP server software to run
with Process Software TCP/IP ?

FTP sites would be preferred - all sources appreciated.


Thank you !


Cameron Caffee

caffeec@mr.polaroid.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: SKELTON@MMC.BITNET (Hank Skelton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Keyboard Repair
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:16:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> Does anyone know of any company that would repair terminal _keyboards_?
> We have a few DEC LK201 keyboards that are in need of repair, and don't
> have the facilities to do it ourselves.  Replacing the keyboard is over
> half of the cost of just buying a new terminal.  Or if anyone knows of a
> place that possibly would sell just keyboards at a more reasonable price.
>
> Thanks,
> Joel Kraft
> System Manager
> Buena Vista College

It's probably not worth the trouble -- after they've fixed it you've
still got an old keyboard.  You can buy a new LK401 for around a
hundred dollars.  It's a direct replacement for the LK201 and it's a
better keyboard.

            Hank Skelton - Meharry Medical College
             Computer Center, Nashville, TN 37208
            BITNET: SKELTON@MMC       615/327-6289
          INTERNET: SKELTON%MMC@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU
            "That's my opinion - oughtta be yours"


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to make only one file readable?
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <BRIAN.92Dec16163705@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu>, brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes...
#In article <BRIAN.92Dec16063431@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu> brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes:
# 
#>    I've written a .plan file and when I FINGER myuserid it prints the
#>    .plan file. I use this as a reminder like utility, adding todo info
#>    to the .plan and my login.com has a line $ FINGER myuserid
#>    in it. I want other people to be able to get this info but because of
#>    file protections it doesn't get printed. I don't really want to
#>    bother with ACL's because there's too many people that I'd like to be
#>    able to access this information. Is there some way to set this up?
#>    Oh yeah, we're running VMS 5.5 with MULTINET for TCP/IP services.
#>    Thanks in advance, if I get an answer I'll post a summary here.
#>   --
# 
# Nothing like following up to ones own post but, I guess I left out a
# few facts in the first post.
# 
#  One: I already know how to set file protections.
#  Two: I DO NOT want my directory world readable.
#      (I often use filenames that contain either people's names and/or
#       obcenities so that they stand out when I list them).
#       (OK, I'm a little nuts, so what?)
# 
# I want to leave the protection on DSK3:[BDOWNING] (WRED,RWED,,)
# But I want the protection on DSK3:[BDOWNING].PLAN (WRED,RWED,,R)
# 
# FINGER won't allow anyone to see the .PLAN file without me first
# setting my directory world readable. 
# 
# Now the readl question, is there any way around this?

	As Carl and I have already mentioned, set your directory	
	to world:execute.  This will allow access if someone knows
	the exact file name only.  It will not allow DIRECTORY of
	your files or access with wildcards.

# Oh by the way, someone asked why I FINGER myuserid in my LOGIN.COM
# rather than just TYPEing the .PLAN file. I use MM because I think
# VMS MAIL stinks and MULTINET's FINGER will tell me if I have new MM
# messages when I FINGER myuserid.

	MM also has qualifiers to have it tell you the count
	and immediately exit.

# Thanks again,
# 
#--
# 
# Brian...
# 
# brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
#         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu

	Ehud

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gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
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