From: iyengar%ppl.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Satish Iyengar)
Subject: Re: ...... Hyderabadi muslims ........
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:56:21 MST
Organization: University of Utah
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In article <1gnhciINNjo3@meaddata.meaddata.com>, ram@meaddata.com (Ram Nugooru) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec15.134333.4639@hellgate.utah.edu> you write:
|> |> In article <1992Dec15.183019.28236@cs.wayne.edu>, uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> narain@bass.bu.edu gave a very good account of what he saw and explained
|> |> |> quite clearly the reasons for his disgust the hyderabadi muslim's behaviour.
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> whatever the other people's response is to it : I have something to say too.
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> My personal experience is identical.  having lived in many parts of india,
|> |> |> I venture to state this : the hyderabadi muslims are the most
|> |> |> agressive and the most unpatriotic muslims in the subcontinent (going by
|> |> |> the definition of the concepts of Nationnality and Citizenship).
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> True, their behaviour is disgusting.  But I also see them with
|> |> |> clearer glasses.  I follow political history and this is what I came to
|> |> |> know.  The hyderabadi muslims NEVER WANTED TO BE A PART OF INDIA.
|> |>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> |> 
|> |> Having lived in Hyderabad all my life and having read about the history of
|> |> Hyderabad, I tend to disagree with you.   Agreed, there are a few cases of 
|> |> bigotry among the muslims.  But I don't think your claim that the Hyderabadi
|> |> muslims never wanted to be part of India is wrong.  The then Nizam of 
|> |> Hyderabad wanted Hyderabad to be annexed into Pakistan but the average 
|> |> muslim on the street did not have such strong feelings in that respect.  In
|> |> my dealings with muslims in Hyderabad, I have found that they are as partriotic
|> |> as any other Indian.  You may disagree with me here but this is my $0.02 worth.
|> |> 
|> |> 	[stuff deleted]
|> |> 
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
|> |> |> (email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> Cheers,
|> |> 
|> |> Satish.
|> |> 
|> |> -- 
|> |> Satish S. Iyengar                             Phone:(Home) (801) 581-1424
|> |> Dept. of Electrical Engg.                           (Work) (801) 581-5618
|> |> University of Utah,                                        (801) 585-3676
|> |> Salt Lake City, UT 84112.                            
|> |> 
|> 
|> Which part of Hyderabad did you live, hope its not old city.
|> 
|> These are the same people who celebrate when Pakistan wins a criket
|> match or hockey match against India. These are the same people who
|> does not believe Indian constitution, I am talking about the educated
|> society of muslim community, it's not the ordinary joe on the street.
|> Go into the old city and see how things are, they are driving away
|> all the other communities from their neighborhoods. How many times did
|> they not attacked hindu temples in the past, how many times did they
|> not rob the shops in the charminar area, how many times did they not
|> rape mothers and sisters of us during the riots of vinaka chaviti.
|> When hole city is busy in celebrations of vinaka nimagnam, they
|> attacked the hindu houses in the old city rape every hindu woman they
|> came across, no muslim leader ever condemned their actions. Talking
|> about the leaders, they have a fanatic religious party, who preach in
|> their mosques to kill others. This shows their partriotism. 
|> 

I think what you say here is totally ridiculous.  In all my 21 years of stay
in Hyderabad, I never once heard or witnessed the destroying of a temple either
in the old city area or for that matter in any part of Hyderabad by anybody,
let alone the muslims.  Like I said earlier, I agree that there may be some
cases in which a certain group of people celebrated the Pakistani victory over
India in cricket matches but generalizing that every muslim in Hyderabad does
that based on a small section of the muslim population is baseless.  Coming to
mothers and daughters raped during immersion and other processions, I wouldn't 
be too sure as to the faith of the wrong-doer.  There are many people belonging
to all sects who abuse the hustle and bustle of the immersion procession to
jostle with the ladies around who would have come to the sides of the road to
see the procession.  In fact, I am sure that many of these wrong-doers are those
who are part of the procession.  

|> -Ram Nugooru
|> 

Satish.

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Satish S. Iyengar                             Phone:(Home) (801) 581-1424
Dept. of Electrical Engg.                           (Work) (801) 581-5618
University of Utah,                                        (801) 585-3676
Salt Lake City, UT 84112.