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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Have you seen these books?
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:11:52 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <01GT5I9SRKXE0006GD@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu> "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU> writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'm thinking about spending a few bucks on myself for some genealogy
>reference books. Please let me know if you have seen or used any of
>these, and if you can either recommend for or against the purchase
>of any of these books or magazines.

>From "Hoenstine Rental Library" (rental only)
>  _Guide To Historical & Genealogical Research In Pennsylvania_

I own these three volumes. They list the names to be found (somewhere)
in over 3000 books and unpublished genealogies held by the library.

The index is generally by last name only, but in the first two vols. it
is clear when a family genealogy exists.

Given time, I will look up names and send E-Mail, but the process is
an onerous hand look-up, and if the name is common, the list may be too
long or (on occasion) is given in the index as too common to list.

Titles are listed, usually with an insightful summary. A deposit price
is given (usually from $10. to $50) and the rental fee for 1 month is
25% of that price, plus postage book rate.

I have found athe index and the library service extremely helpful, and
have gained access to material not otherwise available.

Almost all of it is about PA.


Hoenstine Rental Library
414 Montgomery St. (P.O. Box 208)
Hollidaysburg PA 16648
1-814-695-0632


Tom Lincoln
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Returned Messages
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:47:17 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <ROOTS-L%93010814410233@VM1.NODAK.EDU> MNHMS017@SIVM.BITNET writes:
>From:
>The problem is probably that someone hasn't checked their mail for a while.
>If the owner of ROOTS-L can't dump them off the list, one option is for you
>to send a command to the listserv to SET NOMAIL for the weekend so come
>Monday there aren't >100 of those rejected messages choking your own
>mailer, therby compounding everyone's problem.  I'm going to, it takes
>enough time to sort out the useless non-ROOTS related stuff as it is.

The problem is with those poor folks who have to live with IBM (47
yesterday -- down 1.. what is it today?).. and now you get it both
ways... rejected mail and back to all the others.

Luckily on readnews (soc.roots) the kill command gets rid of them
all... and that is all there is to it!

I hope everyone else has a chance to come over to the modern world
soon... where reading a BB is an OPTION not a DUTY..

{:-)  Tom
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:33:00 EDT
Reply-To:     "SUZANNE H. MURRAY,
              DIRECTOR SUNY HSC LIB.,SYRACUSE" <MURRAYS@SNYSYRV1.BITNET>
From:         "SUZANNE H. MURRAY,
              DIRECTOR SUNY HSC LIB.,SYRACUSE" <MURRAYS@SNYSYRV1.BITNET>
Subject:      Repeat messages

      Today I received several messages which began with a heading  that
began with a message   Mail Server full not sent  or  something to that
affect.   The message is given and it is a message that I received 2 or 3
days before.  Are others having this problem?
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:08:51 CST
Reply-To:     KLETT@SHSU.BITNET
From:         KLETT@SHSU.BITNET
Subject:      IBM Software

Various persons have requested views on DOS programs.  My own humble opinion
is you can't beat Brother's Keeper.  While it may not be perfect, it does
everything you could want.  I tried several shareware products, most of them
very good, but decided this was the best of the lot.

The one program I did want to try was the program prepared by the Church
of the Latter Day Saints, as I understand it is very good.

At any rate, this is merely my opinion.  Everyone has their own preferences.
Good Luck!


Taylor Klett, reserarching KLETT, WHARMUND
KIEHNE, WARHMUND, PESCHEL, BEYER
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:52:09 -0600
Reply-To:     Me <BIHINKLE@ECUVM1.BITNET>
From:         Me <BIHINKLE@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Duke University

Does anyone have access to the library manuscript room at Duke University.  The
y have a collection of papers there written by two of my cousins.  I was wonder
ing if they have a policy on Inter-library loan?  If anyone has access and can
find this out, it would be helpful.

                                       Thanks,
                                       Ashley Hinkle

       * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
       * Ashley J. Hinkle (Bihinkle@ECUVM1.Bitnet)           *
       *                                                     *
       * Amateur Genealogist, Molecular Biologist,           *
       * East Carolina Pirate, and Future Doctor.            *
       *                                                     *
       * Searching for: Henkle/Henkel/Henckel, McFarland,    *
       * Selvey, Davenport, Nixon, Barker, and admission to  *
       * UNC Chapel Hill School of Medicine.                 *
       *                                                     *
       * "I'm from NC, but I didn't vote for Jesse Helms"    *
       * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:45:00 CST
Reply-To:     Richard Harris <RJHARRIS@KSUVM.BITNET>
From:         Richard Harris <RJHARRIS@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      HARRIS, SELLERS, and others

I have just joined the group and am excited about the possibilities of
sharing information here.  I am descended from THOMAS GEORGE HARRIS (c. 1783-?)
and MARGARET PAYNE (c. 1789-?) who emigrated to Ripon, Wisconsin from
Coutnry Carlow Ireland in 1847.  They had a large family who mostly came
with them.  I am descended from Richard (1822-1863) but know little of the
siblings and their descendants, nor have I been able to trace roots in
Ireland.  I know the Paynes were Irish Quakers, and I believe T.G. Harris
was in teh British army.  These Paynes were supposedly tied up with
Common Sense author Thomas Paine, though I'm not sure how, since he
had only 1 sibling (sister) and no surviving children.
    My mother's side (SELLERS) goes back to Samuel Sellers from Derbyshire
who emigrated to PA with Wm. Penn in 1682.  At various places they
intermarried with TOWNSENDS, SHARPLES, JACKSONS (from Long Island), Beaches,
PEALES, and many others.  I have a lot on info. on all of these lines
and would be glad to share.

   Also searching WIGGENHORN  (from Stadtlohn, Ger. to Watertwon WI 1848),
MEYER  (from Hannover, Ger. to Wisconsin 1848), Beckhaus (from Schoppingen
Ger. to Wisconsin).

   RICHARD JACKSON HARRIS
   810 SUNSET AVE.
   MANHATTAN KS 66502
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:56:42 EST
Reply-To:     Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
From:         Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Research Exchange

Is there anyone in the Wichita Falls, TX, area who would be willing to
spend an hour or two at the Wichita County Courthouse for me? In
return I will a commenserate amount of time at any of these Courthouses:
   Fayette (Lexington)
   Scott (Georgetown)
   Woodford (Versailles--or "Fur Sales" as we say here where the
      grass is blue)
   Jessamine (Nicholasville)
   Clark (Winchester)
   Bourbon (Paris)
or in:
  Univ. of Kentucky Special Collections
  Kentucky State Archives
  Kentucky Historical Society

Thanks.

Joe Gardner
jgardner@ukcc.uky.edu
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Civil War
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:03:37 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

BAINTER@ESDSDF.DNET.GE.COM writes:

>To any Civil War buffs out there...

>from his regular regiment, but has anyone ever heard of the Pioneer
>Corps?  I've checked the CW volumes that I own and can find now
>(I mean, no) reference to it.  Can anybody help??

While knowing diddly about the Civil War, perhaps the German use of Pionier 
Corps may help.

In the German army since Prussian days the Pioneers were the sappers and 
engineers - the present day engineering companies who build (and blow up) 
bridges and stuff. This may have been carried over to the US Army.

fred
-- 
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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:16:00 LCL
Reply-To:     M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK
From:         MFITZGIB <M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Surname OLIPHANT
Comments: To: roots-l <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.edu>

HI,
 I checked the Sheffield Phone Book, about 12 names recorded for Olivant

would you like the list?


.Mike Fitzgibbons. Principal Technical Officer
 Sheffield Hallam University

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  Janet.............. M.Fitzgibbons@uk.ac.shu
   Internet........... M.Fitzgibbons@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk
   X400... /I=M/S=Fitzgibbons/O=sheffield-hallam/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/
   Bitnet.............. M.Fitzgibbons%uk.ac.shu@ukacrl
   Arpa................ M.Fitzgibbons%uk.ac.shu@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
  Telex...............54680 SHPOLY G
  Compuserve INTERNET:MFITZGIB@SCIPIO.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM
  Uunet ............. SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK!M.Fitzgibbons@uunet.UU.NET
  Ham ............... G8VHB@GB7WRG.GBR.EU
  Tel................... Number    0742 - 533123
   Fax................. Number    0742 - 533161

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Reply-To:     Brian Madsen <bmadsen@VORTECH.COM>
From:         Brian Madsen <bmadsen@VORTECH.COM>
Subject:      Re: FHC Computer Knowledge
Comments: To: BAMON@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu,
          Roots Genealogy Mailing List <ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu>
              at Jan 7, 93 10:39:12 am

Jennifer R. Amon writes:
>
> Rob Bongiovi said:
>
> >My final observation interests
> >me most.  I do not blame the volunteers, they do a great job, but in my
> >two visits to the FHC, the volunteers have been amazed at what I found
> >on the CD-ROM, stuff they didn't know it does.
>
> That scares me a little. I'm just getting ready to make my very first
> visit to the local FHC. I don't know ANYTHING that it does. Is there
> some level of doc available at the center? Does anybody on this list
> have anything that they've written up for themselves that they'd be
> willing to pass along to a novice? Would it be too much to ask for the
> regular, experienced FHC users to send me some hints, instructions, etc.
> I'd be glad to collate and re-post the responses I get. We could make
> it into a FAQ. Maybe it already IS a FAQ?
>

I'm a volunteer.  Rob is right, there's a certain regrettable lack
of computer literacy among FHC volunteers, unless they're computer
geeks, like me :-).  My theory is that this is because many of them
are older folks, who (for whatever reason) tend to shy away from
technology.

But no, Jennifer, there really isn't a lot of documentation, beyond
some on-line help, for using FamilySearch.  You just have to sort of
sit down with it and get acquainted.  (I think the folks who wrote
FamilySearch believe it to be self-explanatory, although some here
on this list will tell you otherwise.)

As for hints and instructions, I guess I need to know what would be
helpful.  But I'll be happy to answer any questions about it.

--

Brian C. Madsen

bmadsen@vortech.com
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Another Civil War Question
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:03:24 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <ROOTS-L%93011116471089@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU> writes:
>  Santa was very good to me this Christmas by bringing me copies of
>three letters my g'g'father wrote while "in service." Is there some
>source that will allow me to use the places, dates and events
>mentioned in these letters as a means of vectoring in on his unit?

The Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies in Three parts
on goes on for shelf after shelf in any large library. The records are
by theater and are sequential. The indexes are detailed by person and
by place.

Looks to me that you have enough info to nail down his unit...

and to get some more data about what it was doing...

Tom
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From:         BONGIOVIRP@WORF.ME.VT.EDU
Subject:      FHC Computer Knowledge
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

In the past few days, I have seen many messages about the LDS Family Search.
I just wanted to make a few observations from my trips to the FHC.  First,
it looks like every FHC has it own equipment.  The FHC I go to is almost
brand new.  It's Family Search runs on some sort of clone, and they have
a few older XT's and PC's sitting in a corner for PAF use.  It also
looks as if, although the family search is on CD-ROM, there is an older
version sitting there on 5.25" disks (possibly for the XT's before the new
system).  I have only started going here in the last two months, so I
do not know the history of these machines.  My final observation interests
me most.  I do not blame the volunteers, they do a great job, but in my
two visits to the FHC, the volunteers have been amazed at what I found
on the CD-ROM, stuff they didn't know it does.  On my last visit
(yesterday), I switched on the computer to find what item a register I
was looking for was on the microfilm, and I ended up showing the lady how
to do locality searches.  Another lady then came in, not a volunteer.  She
was there on my previous visit, too.  She sat down at the computer and
was upset because during the XMAS break, they had changed the pedigree
chart format.  The volunteers knew nothing of this.  My point:  these
people are volunteers.  What they know is what they are interested in.
They all can help me in finding things on the fiche IGI, but they are
not as interested in high tech computer searching as a gadget person
such as I.  Therefore, at least in my case, the family search system is
a powerful system fo us to discover.  This migh also explain the
differences in computer types from FHC to FHC.

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From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: Royalty GedCom, etc.) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:46:32 +0000


In article <1993Jan5.171931.9583@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com writes:

[Interesting description of one family historian's introduction into the art
deleted.]

> Finally, the POINT:  Am I way off base in trying to build a collection of
> names connected to myself (and my wife), as opposed to devoting more of
> my/our energy to ascertaining my DIRECT ancestors in as much detail as
> possible??

I describe myself as a Family Historian rather than a Genealogist. I am
more interested in the people that make up my wider family than pursuing a
very limited end. I use the "science" of genealogy to track down missing
members of my family but would not restrict myself to the blood line alone.

> I really have derived a lot of enjoyment and satisfaction in
> just visiting with relatives that I've never seen before (and will probably
> never see again), hearing their stories, and recording what I can -- FTJ
> does have a neat narrative section where each person's activities can
> be documented.

That's what it's all about isn't it. If it's what YOU want to do YOU go do
it; those who would restrict your enjoyment of the chase can go hang
themselves. :-)

> I've still got some relatives (mostly aunts & uncles) that I haven't been
> able to query about family yet, mainly since most of them are in the
> midwest (Oklahoma - Kansas - Missouri - Nebraska), and I'm here on the
> Right Coast.  To me, all of these people seem to be important pieces of
> the Leihy puzzle, not just who my parents/gparents/ggparents/etc. were.

It is possible that those close relatives can tell you many stories and
facts about your blood relatives. They may have memorabilia and other items
which so to speak will put flesh on the bones.

I'm very interested in the little events of peoples lives. Like why did my
maternal grandmother burn her marriage certificate when one of her nephews
annouced that he was interested in tracing the family tree and asked to see
her wedding lines? I'll just go look it up at St Catherine's House which
defeats her objective in having destoryed it. Who knows what murky details
are hidden behind it? What skeleton is in that cupboard?

> Any comments?

You do it your way!
 
Regards, Trevor.

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From: pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson)
Subject: Re: Searching in Indian Territory
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:01:40 GMT

KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL writes:

>Can anybody tell me where I can find vital statistics data (marriages,
>births, tax rolls, censuses, *anything*) from the Choctaw region of Indian
>Territory (the southeastern corner) for white settlers, between the period of
>the Civil War and Oklahoma statehood (1865 - 1903)?  Are there any indexes
>published, or territorial censuses?


In 1880 a "census" (actually a listing) of everyone living in
the Indian Territory was taken (by the Cherokees, I think,
and submitted to the U. S. government).  It does not break the list
into family units (but the ordering seems to imply the
units).  Beside each name is given their age and whether they
are native indians (and which tribe), or "adopted white" or
"adopted black."  The listing is organized by districts within
the territory.  I don't recall the name of the book,
but the Texas State Archives (genealogy section) has a copy
with their census index hardcopies.

Hope this helps!

N. Shirlene Pearson
pearson@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
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From:         Joe Price <price@PHYSICS.ISU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CD/ROM,DOS/MAC, FHC (fwd)
Comments: To: roots-l distribution <roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu>

I went to the FHC in Pocatello, ID last night and found that they have two
computers, one is an IBM PS/2 and the other is an Epson 386.  Both computers
had 3" & 5" drives, but I do not know if they took high density disks.
>
> MCBRAYER%SMC.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU writes:
> >
> > As was mentioned in a reply, it depends on the FHC as to what type of disk
> > you'll need to bring.  Do as was suggested and call first and find out.  If
> > their machine takes 3.5" disks, you're in business.  If not, you'll have to
>  use
> > a 5.25", then find another machine to transfer the info to a 3.5", as I'm
 sure
> > your MAC only takes 3.5".  And yes, I believe you'll need to have your
 disk(s)
> > formatted beforehand.
> >
>
> Um, just for the record, has anybody ever been to a FHC that DOESN'T
> have a 3.5 inch drive?
>
> It was my understanding that all FHC's which provide FamilySearch do
> so on an IBM PS/2 -- not a compatible, not an AT, but a genuine IBM.
> I understood that this was official LDS Church policy with regard to
> the use of PC's in FHC's.
>
> It was also my understanding that all IBM PS/2's have 3.5 inch drives
> by default, and that you have to go to special lengths to get any other
> sized floppy drive on a PS/2.
>
> If anyone knows whether any of these statements are not true, would
> you please bring them to my attention?  I'm a volunteer at my local
> FHC, and this is what I've been telling people.  I'd like to be sure
> I'm not steering people wrong.
>
> --
>
> Brian C. Madsen
>
> bmadsen@vortech.com
>
From: jonesl@HG.ULETH.CA (Linda, ext. 2433)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Searching in Indian Territory
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:40:09 GMT
Reply-To: "Linda, ext. 2433" <jonesl@HG.ULETH.CA>
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Hi Folks!  I have found this topic on research in Indian Territory very
interesting and most timely.  I spent the holidays in Bryan, TX, researching
at Texas A&M in Bill Page's department and uncovered a wealth of information.

It appears (from children's obituaries) that my gggrandfather was called
"Choctow" (John Henry) Jones.  We know that he (with his parents) lived in
middle to northern Mississippi sometime between 1797 and 1829 when he
arrived in Texas.  During that time frame that part of MS was Indian Territory.
Question: Does anyone know of documentation for Mississippi Indian Territory
in the early 1800's?

Thanks for any help.  lkj.

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*Linda K. Jones, Ph.D.         *
*Internet:  Jonesl@hg.uleth.ca *
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