HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:45:43 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL


I watched the Bama - MSU game too the other night and what I saw was MSU
SHREDDING the Bama defense in the 3rd quarter.  If MSU had not had that
key illegal participation penalty which cost them a TD, they would have
led Bama by 5 points.  Then MSU forced Bama to punt again and would have
really been able to put it away with another drive but they fumbled and
gave Bama the go ahead field goal.  I'm not trying to say Bama isn't good,
but they sure are not invincible!  They got their share of luck in beating
MSU.  'Course I'm a Nole and I was pulling for MSU all the way! :)  Now
that the Noles are up to #3 go Auburn (or go Syracuse, beat Miami). No 
matter what, GO NOLES!!!

D. Head
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Michigan tickets for sale
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:25:41 GMT

 
    I have the following tickets for the Michigan Game 
 
    One at  Sec 7C,  Row 15, Seat 9,     $35  or make an offer
  
    One at  Sec 5A,  Row 1,  Seat 3,     $35  or make an offer
 
    Take both for $60  or make me an offer
 
    I bought both of these tickets from this board for some good money, 
unfortunately I could only manage to go see one game.  I will be leaving 
Columbus this Friday morning at 10am, so I have to sell these tickets before 
Thursday night.   Email me or call me at 236-1007
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Michigan
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Nov15.050532.6683@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:42:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.050532.6683@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:

   graf@inthehat.engin.umich.edu  writes:

   >That Michigan-Illinois game today was pretty bad, but at least the
   >Wolverines managed to get a tie after being behind.  The damn missed
   >extra point lost us the game.  Even though we'll go down in the
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   It wasn't the missed extra point.  It was Moller's ASININE decision to
   go for two when they scored a touchdown to go ahead 19-15.  A
   one-point conversion makes it 20-15 and a lead of 5.  Now when
   Illinois scores they go up 22-20 and a field goal wins it.

Does *anybody* have an explanation for this move by Moeller?  I can't figure
it out.  We needed the 1 and didn't need to the 2.  Sheesh.

   Maybe Moeller lacked confidence in his kicker (who had already missed
   one as had the Illinois kicker), but that was still weird -- about the

He's a freshman, and hasn't looked great, but its just a pat for christ sake!
Unless the guy was some how injured, I don't think that was it.  And Moeller
came back to him for a longer field goal to tie at the end.  Nope, still
doesn't make any sence to me.

   Of course, I think Illinois should have called timeout on 4th and 15
   with 50+ seconds left instead of letting the clock tick down to 19
   (when Michigan called their LAST TO) -- even if Michigan had missed
   the FG, Illinois could have simply knelt down thrice and let the clock
   run out (Michigan would have had only one TO left).

That blitz call at the end was great for Illinois. 

   Basically, the 4 early turnovers by Michigan prevented them from
   blowing out the Illini erly, who slowly began to get confidence in
   themselves -- incredible game for an Illini fan -- as I had said to a
   friend, we need to play really well (never thought I'd see us run
   theball on ANYBODY let alone Michigan the way we did in the second
   half!), they need to play pretty badly (6 TOs!) and we need some
   additional luck to win (miss that final field goal darn it...

The running game in the 2nd half really opend things up for you guys.  That
brought some of the pressure off of Jason, and he really started to hit his
guys down field.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Proof of What drives I-A football (was Iowa v
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:48:46 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Nov18.234852.4638@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.151615@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writ
>es:
>I have to agree that the "bidding" for home playoff games in I-AA sort of
>cheapens the concept.  Teams have to prove their worth to get into the I-AA >playoffs.

{I shortened his paragraph}  I'll agree with that.
>
>I just think it is the ultimate hypocrisy to state that a bowl game is a reward
>for doing well when the teams with the best records are not invited.
>
>Well, I still don't want to cut down Iowa--that's not my point.  My beef is
>with a bowl system whose stated purpose is to reward teams who have good years.
>................................................................ The one and
>only thing that gets Iowa in and keeps Southern Miss out is drawing power.  
>And, back to my point, that is not (or at least it shouldn't be) the reason a 
>team gets a bowl bid.
>
tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>All of these arguments are very noble but the bowl does have bills to pay.  I 
>really doubt that Copper Bowl is just rolling in the dough.  So there's two    
>ways for them to go about it.  They can invite a sorry team that will bring a
>lot of fans and provide a lot of revenue, or they can invite Wake Forest and
>Washington State, have a great game in a nearly empty stadium, and file for 
>bankruptcy next month.  Personally, I'd prefer the former.

Patrick, I agree.  I think it stinks, too.  Unfortunately, Tanner is
correct.  While I'm an Iowa fan (and enjoy that they go bowling), I
think it is a travesity too.  I highly doubt that KansasSt will go
bowling without a real descent record, because attendance at home
games is around 25,000.  
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield)
Subject: FSU = Football Sorry University
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:45:46 GMT





        Screw Lee Corso

        if you are a Seminole fan read the following
        article that reads TEXAS aTm  got Screwed
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bayou Classic?
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:28:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

(Scott Barman) writes:
>I was trying to spend some time in New Orleans during Thanksgiving not
>thinking it would be a "Hot Spot" for a mini-vacation at this time of
>year.  So in trying to get hotel reservations they tell me that
>Thanksgiving Weekend is the Bayou Classic.  All I was able to find out
>is it is a college football game.  Does anyone have more details on it?
>Who is involved, etc.?

Why that's the annual tussle between Grambling State and Southern
University (Baton Rouge), sir.  These two predominantly black colleges
square off every year in the Dome, and its pretty much considered their
BOWL game, regardless of records.  GSU and SU alums are known to fly in
from all over the country for this party on the Bayou.


-- 
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!    |     Dudd: "Lets play 'Never Hit Yer Granny
(geaux tigers)......    |              with a Great Big Stick.'"
J.J. Clyde  LSU '91     | Charlene: "No, that one makes me cry."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Mississippi State accepts bowl
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:23:21 GMT


Being that the woof gods have seen it in their infinite power and wisdom to
forgive Mississippi State and its fans for accidently taking the lead from
a 20-3 deficit in the 3rd quarter, The Peach Bowl in Atlanta has invited and
Mississippi State has accepted to play in the game.  The probable opponet
will be North Carolina, who is coached by Mack Brown, brother of our offensive
coordinator Watson Brown.

David


-- 
               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: Re: Hail to Those Motherf***ers...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:29:39 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov19083855@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>
>
>   >>  Mike Doel asks:
>   >>>Any former TBDBITL members wish to post the alternate lyrics to Hail to the
>   >>>Victors or LeRegiment(sp)?
>
>No, guys, keep posting those alternate lyrics.  Not only are they
>funny, but we need Justin on our side!  See, M fans can have a sense
>of humor too.

Alternate lyrics from the REAL TBDBITL (Purdue's All-American Marching Band):

	Hail to those motherf**kers
	Hail to those big cocks**kers
	Hail,Hail to Michigan
	The cesspool of the West!

	Hail to those fornicators
	Hail to those masturbators
	Hail, Hail to Michigan 
	The cesspool of the West!

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Ron Steve, Station Manager      |  "My views are my own and do not 
  Radio 90.1 FM WLAY              |   reflect those of WLAY, Tarkington 
  Tarkington Hall                 |   Hall, or (especially) Purdue 
                                  |   University!!"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

 90.1 FM  WLAY  Tarkington Hall -=- "West Lafayette's Get Lucky Radio Station."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Where is the rsfc poll?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:23:31 GMT


Has the poll been posted for this week?  Did I miss it?

Just curious.

Bob E.
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:43:49 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <Qf1qDIS00WAwQjY0p_@andrew.cmu.edu> William writes:

> In an article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason
> Fawcett) writes:
> 
> >AP
> >
> >1. Miami
> >2. Alabama
> >3. FSU
> >4. Texas A&M
> >
> >FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
> >
> >Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head again.  With FSU >and
> >Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for MO POINTS. The >most
> >POINTS could get the #2 spot. Both Bama and FSU will be taken out the
> 
> TAMU has had the shittiest schedule out of the top five
> at least.  I mean, almost everyone in the PAC-10(I'm not a PAC-10 fan,
> just giving credit where credit is due) has had a better schedule than
> A&M. 
 
  I agree, at least so far as AP poll rankings go.

> What legitimate squad has A&M beaten to claim that #3 spot???? 

  Well, there's that PAC-10 team, what's their name...oh yeah, Stanford.

> Hopefully the USA TODAY/CNN poll will have FSU at #2 ahead of Alabama
> and TAMU.

  Bama is #2 and A&M #3 in the Coach's poll.

>  Alabama also has had a shit schedule and they have not played
> anyone worth mentioning to claim that #2 spot.  Their toughest opponent
> was Tennessee.  FSU barely lost to Miami on Miami's home field and has
> rolled over everyone else they played, 

  Rolled huh?  Like that 4-point come-from-behind ROLL over Clemson?  And that
come-from-behind 5-point ROLL over Ga. Tech?  Please.  The Noles have done 
well, and won all but one game this year, but it has not been treading on rose
petals the whole way.

> whereas BAMA just got by
> Mississippi State, who's not even ranked! 

  Miss. State was ranked either 16 or 19, I forget.  Probably still are in the
top 25.

> Arizona's schedule has been
> tougher than Alabama's and TAMU's crap schedules combined!

  Yup, the 'cats schedule sure is tough.  Which has nothing to do with whether
Bama and A&M should be ranked above or below them.  You gotta win too, pal.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
********************************************************************************
* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph 		               *
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Stanford 1993
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:22:06 GMT

In <1992Nov19.193450.24177@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>Here is the Stanford Cardinal schedule for next year, according
>to yesterday's SJ Merc:

> 9/4	@ Washington
> 9/11	@ San Jose State
> 9/18	  Colorado
> 9/25	  UCLA
>10/2	  Notre Dame
>10/9      ---
>10/16	@ Arizona
>10/23	  Arizona State
>10/30	  Oregon State
>11/6	@ USC
>11/13	@ Oregon
>11/20	  California

>The out-of-conference games are SJS, Colorado and the Papal Squad.
>The missing Pac-10 team is Washington State.

>While on the subject of next year... Stanford will lose something like
>20 starters or almost-starters to graduation.  The only non-senior
>starters I can think of are QB Steve Stenstrom, CB Vaughan Bryant, LB
>Coy Gibbs and WR Justin Armour, as well as PK Eric Abrams and OT Jeff
>Buckey.  RB Ellery Roberts has asked the NCAA to give him one more
>year of elligibility -- I think because he lost almost all of last
>year to injury.


>--Gidi

>PS - I hear they're playing a game this weekend, too.  I hope they
>do okay.

The Mercury News got it wrong.  Stanford will graduate a lot of starters and
near starters, but not as many as they listed.  The OL will return three
guys -- Hoyem, Cassidy and Cavanaugh.  Dalman graduates.  He didn't
redshirt, but the other guys did.  Nathan Olsen will return.  Tommy Knecht
will be in the secondary.  Jason Fisk returns as nose guard.  I can't
remember the rest of the defensive line, but I think one other returns
(rembisz, maybe?)


I hope they do OK this weeekend, too.  I'm really scared about this one.
All the conditions seem right for an upset.
-- 
*****************************************************************
yvonne_lee@infoworld.com   (preferred email reply address)
yvonne@well.sf.ca.us       (news account) (415) 312-0571 w  (415) 968-3132 h
*****************************************************************
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Lee Corso Screws A&M
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:55:29 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad1.admin.uh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Nov20.003000.19575@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU writes:

> In article <1eg8llINNkqj@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> >
> >here too.  Then FSU plows 2-6 Tulane, and A&M has to struggle late to put
> >UofH (3-6) away.  SWC followers know Uh is more dangerous than 3-6 would ind-
> >icate, but naturally the pollsters (most of 'em, anyway) wouldn't know that.
> 
> Tell that to Michigan... What was the final score 63-3 in favor of visitors?
> Yeah, UH is a tough one for sure...

  Njan, you toad, I didn't say they were tough neccessarily, I said they were 
dangerous.  Remember they put up 700 yards vs the Longhorns (not that the Long-
horns have a killer defense, but still) in a losing effort.

  I also note the Mich. game was on the road soon after UH had lost several
defensive starters.  And I wasn't saying UH was on a level with a Michigan,
anyway.  Just that were better (a lot better) than *Tulane*.  Geez.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
********************************************************************************
* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph 		               *
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.football.misc
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: British College League
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:38:20 GMT

In article <jbeverly-191192160856@macc902.mv.us.adobe.com> jbeverly@adobe.com (Jamie D. Beverly) writes:
>In article <13595@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
>wrote:
>> 
>> British Student American Football League (BSAFL) 
>>  
>> Week 5 : 15/11/92
>> 
>>  Southampton   70   0  Bath
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>> 

>  178 points for, and 0 against? I am curious as to why the disparity for
>one team.

There is only one team in Southampton, and it is the Florida State Seminoles!
There is only one team in Bath, and it is the Tulane Green Wave!
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami scheduling again
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:25:12 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Nov16.181537.1824@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>  According to the Alliance if 2 teams from the ACC,BIG E,or ND are ranked
>>  #1 and #2 in the 'AP' poll , they will play in the Fiesta Bowl.
>>    - there is no 'out' clause for this case.
>
>Umm.. are you sure -- what if they had met before?  I know FSU fans
>will shout loudly for a re-match, but there is NO way Miami can be
>accused of ducking them --- they played them and beat them fair and
>square...  Aside from the fact that FSU is probably the only team who
>could beat Miami 5 out of 10 times at this point, Miami would probably
>prefer to beat up on TAMU should Alabama lose...
>
>>  A final question - don't you believe Florida State would have a lot
>>  more to gain than Miami by meeting in the Fiesta Bowl ???
>
>Miami can and SHOULD avoid this rematch -- as you said, very little to
>gain, and a LOT to lose... sorry, FSU you had a shot.
>
>PS: I am NOT a Miami fine, and last year blasted them for ducking
>Florida (no question they did!), but this year I think they are
>entitled to avoid FSU (if the coalition rules allow it) as they
>already trounced them.
>

You consider being outgained and having the other team miss an easy
field goal that would have tied the game a trouncing? Miami went nine
or ten possessions without a first down in the middle of that game. I'd
duck FSU if I were Miami too; I'd hate to try to beat them again, knowing
they're the better team.

--
 David Nichols        Senior Statistical Support Specialist         SPSS, Inc.
 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
*******************************************************************************
 Any correlation between my views and those of SPSS is strictly due to chance.
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Review (11-21-92)
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:13:56 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov22.225053.7615@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:

>Washington State 42, Washington 23  (The Apple Cup)

>The Cougars won the Apple Cup for the first time since 1988 and 
>signifigantly increased their chances of going to a bowl game for
>the first time since 1987.  The game was played on a snow covered field
>in Martin Stadium that really neutralized the speed of the Huskies.

E tu, Cliff?  :-{

>Without being able to make effective use of their speed pass rush, the
>Huskies were unable to put any pressure on Drew Bledsoe, who responded
>by riddling the Husky secondary for 260 yards and 2 touchdowns on 18/30
>passing.

I don't recall that much pressure on Brunell, either....

>                The Cougars decided to take the wind rather than the
>ball in the third quarter, and ran up 29 unanswered points to turn a
>halftime 7-6 deficit into a rout.

Much of the time, for whatever reason, the Cougs score big in
the 3rd quarter.

But where was the Husky offense in the two quarters in which
they had the win at their back.  :-}
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME - NATIONAL CHAMPS - 1992
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:04:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>Florida (currently #9, probably #7 or even #6 by 22 nov 1992) will defeat
>#3 FSU, embarrass #2 alabama, and (thanks to texas beating TAMU) finally
>humble the #1 hurricanes in the sugar bowl.
>
>murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)

a nameless net.lurker points out that i am also depending upon southern cal
to stomp on notre dame.  i apologize for the oversight; when building
extreme scenarios, you have to expect slips such as this.

oh, and the AP poll does indeed have the gators at #6, obviously an omen
indicating that my predications will come true.  HAHAHAHAHA.

ok
dpm
-- 
murphy@npri6.npri.com 602 Cameron St. Alexandria, VA 22314 (703) 683-9090

              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"