From: mrmarcel@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL RONN MARCELAIS)
Subject: Re: Dual classing
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:07:53 GMT

In article <5689@news.duke.edu>, dks@acpub.duke.edu writes:
|> 
|> 	I have a few strange dual-class situations, and I want to know how
|> some other people would respond to/rule on them:
|> 	We have a 9th level fighter, Str 15, Int 17, Con 15, proficient in
|> the use of the staff, among other weapons. After years of study, he dual-
|> classes as a magic-user (this is for 1st or 2nd ed.)... He takes dagger 
|> proficiency as an m-u.
|> 	1) Does he get a "free" proficiency in the staff, so long as when
|> he attacks with it he uses the mage tables?  He already knows how to use
|> staff, and m-u's have staff on the allowed weapon list...  Does he mystic-
|> ally "forget" and need to attack as an m-u with the -5 non-prof penalty?

My view is that he does NOT get a 'free prof' in the staff.  He could attack
without penalty, but then he would be using his Fighters skill and would get
no experience for anything he did that campaign.  (See Dual Classing)  He
could also use the -5 non-prof penalty and attack as a mage.  

Dual Classes pour fourth all of their effort in their new class until it is as
good as their old class.


|> 	2) (2nd ed in particular)  What happens to his non-weapon proficien-
|> cies?  Languages I'd expect he'd retain at no penalty for their use. (Lang-
|> uages are NWP's in 2nd ed, in many campaigns.)  Can he use all of his other
|> NWP's at no penalty?  Only non-warrior group ones? Only the general and 
|> (though unlikely to be possessed) wizard-grouped ones?

Languages stay.  Others don't unless they are selected.  I would give the new
NWP's but he couldn't use the old ones without the penalty mentioned above. 
He could select the same one again, if (for example) he couldn't deal with not
having appraising.

|> 	3) a) Say he somehow gains a point of Constitution (making it 16)...
|> Does he get 9 extra hit points immediately? Wait until he gets to be a 10th
|> lvl m-u, when he ordinarily starts getting extra hp's?

Give 1 hp/Mage level.  When the mage level becomes as high as his fighter
level was, then he gets the +9 for the fighter HP.

|> 	   b) Our lucky guy gets another Con point, up to 17... Since he
|> got his original hit points as a fighter, does he get another 9 hp's (as the
|> hp bonus goes from +2 to +3)?  Or since he's an m-u now, is he denied the
|> extra 9?

As above, he would get the +9 when his mage level reaches his fighter level
and he gets all of his abilities back.


|> 	I'd appreciate some opinions.
|> 	I'll also come up with a signature in the meantime.

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