HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:01:48 GMT

In article <wa#nn5c.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>In article <9Xlxr*KQ0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.184444.9870@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, John Gossman writes:
>>
>>> 	I suggest you read Robert Reich's book "The Work of Nations".
>>
>>For the record, Reich is one of Clinton's advisors.
>>
>
>Is he pray tell the "third" Reich?

Only if we get to start calling you "Dick".



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But this is.
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:32:23 GMT
 <zt1vr*YO0@caleb.UUCP> <1992Aug12.163959.35905@watson.ibm.com>
Distribution: tx
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Aug12.163959.35905@watson.ibm.com>, John Iacoletti writes:

> In article <zt1vr*YO0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
> |> Fact:  convenience abortion was illegal in most states.  Then a certain woman
> |> in Dallas committed deliberate perjury telling the courts that she was raped
> |> in order to get sympathy so that she could get the law overturned.  The stupid
> |> judges fell for it.  They invented the 'right to abortion' via a rather warped
> |> perversion (interpretation) of the Constitution.
> 
> $ grep -i rape roe.v.wade
> $ 
> 
> There was no mention of rape in the Roe v. Wade opinion.

I never said that there was.  Read the above.  It is likely that the Roe case
would never have been considered if she had told the truth.


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:24:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug20.170148.791@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>In article <wa#nn5c.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>>In article <9Xlxr*KQ0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug14.184444.9870@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, John Gossman writes:
>>>
>>>> 	I suggest you read Robert Reich's book "The Work of Nations".
>>>
>>>For the record, Reich is one of Clinton's advisors.
>>>
>>
>>Is he pray tell the "third" Reich?
>
>Only if we get to start calling you "Dick".
>
>



Many of you already have :-)

-- 
Richard Crisp            Cupertino, Ca.             crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk   "I don't brake for liberals"   (408) 253 4541 fax

To say that Bill Clinton's alleged successes as Governor of Arkansas
qualify him to be President of the US is like saying the shoeshine
stand operator in the airport is qualified to be CEO of IBM.
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:08:35 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <R-2ur*YN0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

>In article <1992Aug06.233619.30444@watson.ibm.com>, John Iacoletti writes:

>> In article <bUIsr*XL0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>> |> I don't
>> |> remember anyone here saying that human life takes priority over all else.
>> |> Capital punishment is another issue entirely.
>> 
>> These are your words:
>> 
>> "Abortion is murder.  A human being is deliberately killed."
>> 
>> Well in that case, capital punishment is murder too.
>> 
>> These are your words:
>> 
>> "Every abortion prevented is a human life saved."
>> 
>> Every execution prevented is also a human life saved.

>Not necessarily, as you well know.  One execution prevented can cost many lives.

>Why can't you understand the vast difference between a woman killing her baby
>because he is inconvenient, and the state killing a convicted murderer so that
>he can't kill again?

How does the convicted murderer kill anyone if you lock him up for
life with no parole?  So, why the espousement of so many 'right to
life' advocates for killing someone rather than locking them up away
from the rest of us?  Sounds like their issue is 'abortion', not
'life'. 


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From: richard@technology.com (Richard Murphy)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Tax suggestion
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:24:41 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <1TksPB2w165w@keys.lonestar.org> cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:

[lots deleted]
>
>So apparently you agree that SS is a social program to spread wealth toward
>those who cannot (will not?) contribute to SS.
>
>Chris

No, what I'm proposing is turning SS into a social program to provide`
a safety net for those unable to survive any other way. Right now,
SS is simply income transfer from those who work to those who don't.
Most of those who receive it did work at one time, like my father.

He is an interesting example. He worked all his life, mostly at
a union job that provided a reasonable pension when he retired.
He had only a few years of health insurance when he retired, also.
He has to pay for that himself now and if it were not for SS,
he would be in bad shape. I don't see him being made wealthy by this
at all. My father-in-law has a retirement income of at least
$100K/y made through real estate speculation and other risky deals.
He also gets a SS check....welfare for the wealthy it looks like to me.
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Men and the Abortion Issue
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:06:17 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <exuptr.285.713567728@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>How about a poll.  Pro-choice men: what is your motivation for being 
>pro-choice?

	Well, I'm motivated toward being anti-abortion, but my common sense
allows me to think beyond my gut feelings. Observation has convinced me that
my gut feeling is in the minority, and has been since the beginning. 
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From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Republican Candidates
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:01:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas


Hey, Jay.  We all think about what Clinton MIGHT do when he gets elected.
But we all know what Bush has done.  How about he and his co-conspirator
Reagan creating the infrastructure that allowed the savings and loan mess
that's costing taxpayers multi billion dollars to fix?  When George's buddies
made that mess, he (GB) was able to dig into our pockets mighty fast, but
he stands there now telling us it was the Democrat Congress that got us into
all this trouble.  If George is such a helpless victim, let's boot him out
and give someone else the job.  Nobody could do worse that his admin has.
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:40:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug20.190628.5734@cs.cornell.edu> allan@cs.cornell.edu (James Allan) writes:
>
>    ADOLF HITLER
>	Die breite Masse eines Volkes<einer grossen LuHge leichter zum
>	Opfer faHllt als einer kleinen.  [Sorry; the german is messed up]
>
>	The broad mass of a nation will more easily fall victim to a big
>	lie than to a small one.
>	Mein Kampf, I.x
>




and the big lie is, of course, Clinton's economic plan.



-- 
Richard Crisp             Cupertino, Ca.           crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk  "I don't brake for Liberals"  (408) 253 4541 fax

The richest 5% of the population paid 36.4% of the income taxes collected
in 1980. By 1990 they were paying 42.9% of the income taxes. Furthermore
they had an increase of 17.9% in dollars paid. The total tax base increased
while inflation and interest rates decreased under this pro-growth taxation
policy. The assertion that the rich got an unfair tax break by shifting the load
from them to the poor is simply unsupported by fact. These figures came from
the Wall Street Journal 8/5/92

Two things in life are certain: Death and Taxes. With Death it doesn't
get worse if the Democrats are elected.
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice vs God Squad (Anti-abortion)
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:49:19 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug12.144930.16333@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>Well, given a 'get tough' attitude toward this kind of abusive
>fruitcake, I can tell you what COULD happen (and probably what ought
>to). 

It would be nice if you know what you are talking about with respect
to OR, but as with EVERYTHING you write about you are CLUELESS.

>Nope.  I'd just keep shoving them in, stack them up like cordwood,
>transfer them to other jails, etc.  Personally, I don't expect that
>many of them to be willing to spend long periods in jail.

This won't work.  First, they WANT TO BE MARTYRS.  If you understand
that, you are more than half way there.  They'd LOVE TO BE IN JAIL AND
MISERABLE.  This is their equivalent of JIHAD - Holy War.

>So they can stay in jail.  Meanwhile, sue the ORGANIZATION.  This has
>been done in the past to various racist groups; time to start doing
>the same thing to OTHER fruitcake terrorists.

This won't work.  THERE IS NO ORGANIZATION TO SUE!  This didn't work
against the KKK.  There is still a KKK!  Some woman in one of the
smaller states now owns the KKK.  There are still men wearing sheets
out there pretending they are the KKK.

>Fine.  Then let's TREAT them like fanatics.  And all the ones who have
>their kids crawling in front of cars should be brought up on charges
>of reckless endangerment of a child, etc.  Any bets that the
>organization would dry up in fairly short order if everyone stopped
>treating them with kid gloves?

NO ONE IS TREATING THEM WITH KID GLOVES!

Look, the more attention you give OR, the more they are going to do
what they are doing.  They WANT the attention.  The kind of attention
they are getting can't be bought with all the money in the world.

THAT is exactly what they want - more attention.  The way you deal
with a group (or a child, maybe you'll understand that angle) that
is clamouring for attention and being a nuisance is to STOP giving
them attention.  Ignore them for a few months and they will go away.

Remember that flag burning only became popular when flag burners
starting getting media publicity.
-- 
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Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
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Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repulicans
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:16:48 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: None

jcj6@ace3.sps.mot.com (james berry) writes:

> How can
> the party that has been in power for 12 years suddenly claim to be the 
> party of change.  Well that is why do they think people will believe it?

Because the Republicans have _not_ been the party of power in the Congress
for the last 12 years, except for Reagan's 1st term, in which the
Republicans controlled the Senate but not the House.  The Democrats have
controlled the House for more than the last 12 years, and, as you know, the
House is where all financial bills must originate.

Therefore Bush is right in saying that Congressional members should be
"turned out" and replaced with new folks.  Of course, IMO, some Republicans
ought to be among the "turned out" folks.

Also, of course, Bush should've been proposing financially responsible
budgets (which he has not), and should've been using his veto to reject
red-ink budgets from Congress.  So I'm not really for Bush.  But I think
Clinton will be much, much worse w.r.t fiscal responsibility.

Chris

-- 
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                         UUCP    : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:44:36 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Aug20.160829.28245@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>I was.  Unlike John, apparently, I don't categorize people as
>'enemies' just because I've disagreed with them or they with me.  
>Unfortunately, this is just one in a string of notes from John Haugh
>II that seems to indicate that he *IS* a total asshole.  I still
>consider that HIS problem, though, and not mine.

	Glad to see you're not enemies. (-: 


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I say 'Don't ask me- I don't know any hallways."- David Bowie, "Scary Monsters"
Xref: sparky tx.politics:4201 houston.general:874
From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,houston.general,rice.politics
Subject: <None>
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:50:26 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <1992Aug19.040828.3489@tamsun.tamu.edu>, dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.015745.13019@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:
>>When pro-lifers can demonstrate to me that they
>>
> I don't know of many (any?) pro-lifers who "accuse" pregnant women
> of sin or ostracize them.

	The fanatical ones do.  The OR people will yell and screem at the
women.  These are the poeple we keep hearing about, the ones we always get
to see.  Like I said before, the good pro-life portion of the movement
has a marketting problem...

	The poor pregnant women that goes to Planned Parenthood in Houston
to talk to a someone is faced with two types of people:  The "pro-life" OR
group that she may have to run the gauntlet through, that screams at her,
throws things at her, calls her names, or the pro-choice group protects her
from the mob and says "Here are your choices...".  Who is she going to spend
time with and listen to?

	You can't instill love through fear and insults.

> -- 
> Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    dlb5404@rigel.tamu.edu  or  dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu
>         "You're not messy.  You're organizationally impaired."
>                 _Real_Life_Adventures_, July 3, 1992 
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P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX  75026-0772  |Fone: (214)-618-2117
From: kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Getting Pregnant
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:52:24 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Rice University

In article <21363@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
- population.  Thus a single coin flip will produce very skewed results, but
- 100 or 100,000 flips will tend to approach 50% heads.  Likewise, if a
- large number of women are having sex, and we call this sample "The set of
- women who are not married and having sex", the pregnancy rate within that
- sample will approach the pregnancy rate for the entire population of women
- who are having sex, both married and unmarried.
- 
- It is UNREASONABLE to claim that some magical property exists which would
- cause an unmarried women to become pregnant when no factor other than her
- marital status distinguishers her from her married counterpart.  This
- isn't just Haugh Logic.  Unless "Marriage" somehow causes fertility to
- increase, there is no justification for an assumption that not being

	You're assuming that unmarried couples have sex with the same 
   frequency as unmarried couples and that unmarried couples employ 
   birth control (both type of contraceptive and percentage of sex w/ 
   contraceptive) the same as married couples.  If, for example, more 
   married couples desire to have a child, they will likely not use a 
   contraceptive, whereas a couple not desirous of children may be more 
   likely to take measures to prevent conception.   


-- 
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 kossack@rice.edu  |                 The operating system with an attitude  
  +1 713 240 2073  |
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Date: 19 Aug 1992 16:07:06 GMT
Distribution: houston
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......

In article <MIGIUCJ@taronga.com> kossack@taronga.com (Jordan M. Kossack) writes:

>edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu replied:
>- .. so I shot him!
>- (to quote that wonderful Feo Y Loco song Donna McKenzie played on Sunday
>- because it was "somewhat appropriate with all the Republicans in town)
> 
>	Assuming that you're referring to the song "Living in America"
>   I don't believe that 'quote' is actually a lyric.  But since we're 
>   on the topic, what do you think of "Killer Transvestite"  ... or is 
>   that song too politically incorrect?  Personally, I'm rather fond of 
>   "Roadkill Boogie" but it may help that I know the guy who wrote it.  

Did I make a mistake?  The lyrics involve the protagonist shooting everyone,
except for the crack dealer ("So I gave him $20.00 -- I'm not crazy!").  As
far as "Killer Transvestite", it's also a lovely song.  I wouldn't want a 
regular diet of the band (Their singing grates on me after awhile), but they
do make for a nice change of pace.  Incidentally, you have to admire a band 
with the guts to name themselves  "Ugly(Feo) and(Y) Crazy(Loco)"

<ESC>
-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:24:17 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.143952.7735@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>It's only a matter of time until we can grow a complete new you from a
>tissue sample.  Does that make every cell in your body a 'human
>being', or do they only BECOME human beings when we do that procedure
>and they develop into one?

>By your reasoning, an egg IS a chicken.

Not a white one, they're infertile.  You probably eat chickens, too,
though.

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Quayle on Values:  Where he stands and his background
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:52:27 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <q82vr*1P0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
|> Skeptical aren't you (when it serves your purpose.)

I'm skeptical about everything.

|> You probably believed Anita Hill.

As a matter of fact I DID believe Anita Hill, but I thought her
allegations were quite irrelevant to the Supreme Court confirmation
process.

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I tortured, and the
  world screams, 'Kiss me, son of God'" -- TMBG
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: fetus vs. baby
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:34:52 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <21350@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Aug11.175318.22237@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>Utter hogwash, but fine.  Let him choose.  "Anyone here present who
>>has objection to this abortion, speak now."  If the embryo or foetus
>>doesn't speak up, it just agreed.

>Sounds like you just legalized the murder of anyone that is deaf, mute,
>or doesn't speak English.

Hey, consider it just like not sending back the card from your record
club.  That means you just agreed to buy the record.


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From: cls@trsvax.tandy.com
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-choice vs. Pro-Life vs. Anti-Ab
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:26:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cactus.org:10933:trsvax:272900180:000:1196
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!cls    Aug 21 13:26:00 1992



< > I'm pro-choice and I don't deny its [a fetus'] humanity.
<
< I note that you are the only pro-choicer I've read in tx.politics that
< recognizes this.  Thank you for being honest.
< 

-stuff deleted-


< Chris
<
< -- 
< Chris Winemiller         Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org
<                         UUCP    : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil

Then either my posts aren't getting out or you have a convenient memory.
(I seriously wonder if my posts are getting out because all of you men,
including one here where I work involved in this discussion, seem to
ignore me.) 

There might be a human inside of my belly but what I do in there or have
in there is between me and God and none of your business.  If I commit a
sin to my own body, God is the only one who has the right to punish me.

So many of you guys are sitting here, like the Pharisees, passing down
judgements on a crime you aren't even able to commit.  Meanwhile, most of
those people who you are judging aren't even listening to you.


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