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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Re:  Sony trinitron vs panasonic GAO ??	
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:33:36 GMT


In article <1992Oct09.153538.25162@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, rivan@bnr.ca (Robert Ivan) writes:
>   I am about to purchase an 32" ( 34 in canada) sony trinitron.

I just did, two weeks ago.

> But I recently was looking at the GAO which does have a better looking
> picture.  When I asked the store manager ( who was very knowledgable 
> and sells both sets. ) 

Let me guess: Wackid's on Clyde, near where you work. That's where I
went: Talked him down a little, too. I had a better deal on a MITS
somewhere else (true), but decided I really wanted the Sony.

> he said that the SonY (not the XBR since its pricey)
> was the way to go.  He said that the GAO comes out of the box
> with both brighness and contrast settings on full.  The Sonys and
> MITS do not.  So that in the Store the GAO looks way better.
> He also said that the GAO was made to filter out grays ( displaying black or white)
> and that several colours like blue were enhanced to give a frequency
> that they had found the human eye to like.  He said that the GAO was specifically
> engineered to sell.  So does anyone know better?  IS this true.

Yet another BNR person you'll find in rec.video, Doug (william?)
Zolmer, bought a GAOO. He has posted before about some of his
experiences.  I got the impression from his posts that he would not
buy GAOO if he had it to do over again.  I took that into
consideration when I bought my Sony.

> Which would you BUY?

Well, I ended up with the Sony KV-32TS35. Upon reflection and two
weeks worth of use, I probably should've gone with the EXR (You're
right, the XBR's are too pricey here).  Two things I dislike about the
TS:

1. No video out line.

2. Only one RCA-type video in.

3a. The audio out is variable and volume is controlled by the TV. I don't
    like this because I feed it back into my pro-logic receiver, where
    I can also control the volume.

 b. The audio out is only active when you explicitly turn the TV
    speakers off. To turn the speakers off, you have to go through two
    levels of menus. Makes switching from normal TV to TV+ProLogic a pain,
    and too complicated for my wife to deal with.

What I like:

1. Great picture.

2. Picture-in-picture.

3. Separate S-Video input.

Hope this helps.

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From: Chris_Lynn_Minshall@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Another VideoToaster question
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 92 23:10:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The Video Toaster will never run on anything but an Amiga......EVER!  If
Newtek releases another version for say the Macintosh or IBM.....it will be
partly an Amiga which will be an interesting legal situation if/when that day
ever sees light.

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: iisakkil@lk-hp-7.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)
Subject: Re: SCART connectors in North America, where ?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 10 Oct 92 11:43:32 GMT

alk@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Al Kovalick) writes:

>I have seen several references to SCART, but I am not familiar with this standard?  Could
>someone please explain what SCART is or point me to a suitable reference?

It is a connector standard. It has some 20 pins in a rectangular
enclosure and is supposed to carry all signals that a piece of
consumer video equipment would ever need, including RGB, Y/C, stereo
audio and some control signals. In addition, it is electrically lousy
and keeps falling off by itself. IMHO, it's another German revenge to
the world, keeping up with the traditions of DIN audio connectors :-)

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From: will@celia.UUCP (Will McCown)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Sony EVO-9700
Keywords: HI8 editing
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:37:43 GMT
Reply-To: celia!will@usc.edu (Will McCown)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

To users/owners of the Sony EVO-9700 some questions that the sony literature
doesn't answer:

1)  How accurately does it edit?

2)  The literature has the cryptic footnote: "To execute a video insertion,
    the tape being inserted must be recorded by the same machine."  Is this
    true?  What happens if you insert video on a tape from some other
    machine?

3)  Is the 8mm timecode used by this machine (and other "professional"
    line machines), compatible with that used by the high-end consumer
    cameras such as the TR-101?

4)  Any other comments about this machine's quality, ease of use, etc.
    would be welcome.


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From: dob@einoed.in-berlin.de (Dirk O. Brzezinski)
Subject: Specifics for Panasonic camera
Keywords: panasonic, camera
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:30:32 GMT

Hi netters,
I dont't know if this is the correct newsgroup, but here goes:

I have got a Panasonic TV Camera Model WV-71, but no manual.
It does not have a separate power supply, it connects to a
BNC connector. Thats about all I know about it. Anybody
know more about it?

Thanx in advance for any information.



dob---> Dirk O. Brzezinski
email: dob%selinix@einoed.in-berlin.de
From: bladin@wam.umd.edu (Ilana J. Getz)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Hi8 editing?
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:41:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

>I just read somewhere (I think it was VIDEO TOASTER USER, a great magazine even
>for non-Toasterheads) that Toshiba (I think) will be releasing a clone of the
>Sony 9700 at a much cheaper price.  I have a feeling that Sony will probably
>come out with newer version.
>
I called Toshiba and asked them about this. It seems that when they first 
introduced the TSC-100 Hi8 camcorder, they also pictured two Hi8 decks in
their ads, a dual deck and a single deck. These were simply the Sony 9700
and 9800 with the Toshiba name on them. However, they then decided to
develop their own decks, rather than buy the Sony units. These two decks
are currently under development, and are expected out in 6-8 months. No
advance word on prices or features.

Dave
From: senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: RGB to NTSC convertor
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:35:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Oct9.163525.12675
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

We are attempted to build a VERY CHEAP RGB -> NTSC converter using the recently announced
Motorola MC13077 PAL/NTSC Encoder chip that basically has everything you need in a 
single 20 pin DIP chip. Since we got the chip (and a small circuit board) for free
from Motorola University support, I don't know how much the chip will cost,
but I doubt it will be very expensive. The chip is capable of providing normal NTSC
(i.e VHS) and S-VHS as well as PAL. 

When we get this project completed, I'll post our success/failure here. Stay tuned ...


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From: larson@loren.net.com (Alan Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Sony EVO-9700
Keywords: HI8 editing
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:57:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: me, myself, and I

In article <4268@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.055636.29991@RedBrick.COM> jfr@RedBrick.COM writes:
><     The reason for this, by the way, is that the differences between
><     record mechanisms are pretty significant (at the micromillimeter
><     level) and there is no way that a tape recorded on another machine
><     (with possibly different tolerances in its head and track pitch)
><     could be accurately lined up in the 9700 for insert editing.
>
>Another design problem.  Works great on my Umatic-SP machines.

  Your Umatic machines have a much easier task.  The width of each video
stripe is wider, and the Umatic system has a control track.

  Without a control track to sync the writing head during an insert,
there is only mechanical repeatability to keep the video tracks lined
up on top of the previous video tracks.  Given the narrowness of the
8mm video tracks, it seems pretty good that they were able to do
inserts at all.  I can envision a way where it would be possible to
track the 8mm tracks for an insert, but it would probably add to the
cost of the machine.  Of course, for assemble edits, none to do inserts
at all.

  I can envision a way where it would be possible to track the 8mm tracks
for an insert, but it would probably add to the cost of the machine.

  Of course, for assemble edits, this problem doesn't exist.

	Alan
From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Another VideoToaster question
Date: 12 Oct 1992 19:57:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <67461@cup.portal.com> Chris_Lynn_Minshall@cup.portal.com writes:
>The Video Toaster will never run on anything but an Amiga......EVER!  If
>Newtek releases another version for say the Macintosh or IBM.....it will be
>partly an Amiga which will be an interesting legal situation if/when that day
>ever sees light.

Funny, but in a recent magazine's product summery I saw a Video
Toaster for both the Mac and PC. There were no prices listed, so I
assumed that these are soon to be released products.

>Chris

Eric
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From: nrossi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Nick Rossi)
Subject: Re: POSTPRODUCTION
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:10:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.150525.9344@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>Anybody out there know if there are any small postproduction houses out there
>who are surviving against the big places?  I read THE INDEPENDENT magazine a
>lot and it seems like there are a lot of small houses out in NY (lots of
>Toaster stuff, too) but very few "small" places here in Chicago.
>
>Just wondering


In Seattle, there are small post production houses all over the place.
I suspect this is due in part to the ballooning number of films being
made in the area (as well as the fact that Seattle's economy is in about
the best shape of any major U.S. city).  The whole film/video field is
taking off there.

Nick
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Another VideoToaster question
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:26:19 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:

>In article <67461@cup.portal.com> Chris_Lynn_Minshall@cup.portal.com writes:
>>The Video Toaster will never run on anything but an Amiga......EVER!  If
>>Newtek releases another version for say the Macintosh or IBM.....it will be
>>partly an Amiga which will be an interesting legal situation if/when that day
>>ever sees light.

>Funny, but in a recent magazine's product summery I saw a Video
>Toaster for both the Mac and PC. There were no prices listed, so I
>assumed that these are soon to be released products.

>>Chris

Yeah... I saw it too.  It has a suggested retail price of us$4995, and
comes with a huge box.  The funny thing is that when someone open the box
up, they will see the word "Amiga 2000" on the motherboard.

Who said PC and Mac cannot use a VideoToaster??

;)
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: Another VideoToaster question
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:03:25 GMT

In article <67461@cup.portal.com> Chris_Lynn_Minshall@cup.portal.com writes:
>The Video Toaster will never run on anything but an Amiga......EVER!  If
>Newtek releases another version for say the Macintosh or IBM.....it will be
>partly an Amiga which will be an interesting legal situation if/when that day
>ever sees light.
>
>Chris
 
  I mentioned this once in a post a long time ago.  The biggest impediment
  to moving the Toaster to another hardware platform is that the whole
  Toaster software system is written in Amiga Assembler language (all 300K
  lines of it :-)  Converting this to even Macintosh (which is at least a
  68000-based system), let alone to an IBM PC would be a nightmare.  The
  reasons for doing this early on were for performance improvements.  As
  is typical in the computer business, the performance improvements that
  were gained on the 68000 are probably no longer very significant on a
  68030 or 68040 Amiga, but the programming language problem is still as
  great.  Sigh...  If they wrote they thing in C to begin with, they 
  probably would have had a hard time running it on a 68K amiga but they
  could have moved it to a fast Intel or Risc-chip system trivially when
  the processor performance was available.  Double sigh...

  Jon Rosen
From: raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Another VideoToaster question
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:46:40 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Oct13.060325.622@RedBrick.COM>, jfr@RedBrick.COM () writes:
>In article <67461@cup.portal.com> Chris_Lynn_Minshall@cup.portal.com writes:
>>The Video Toaster will never run on anything but an Amiga......EVER!  If
>>Newtek releases another version for say the Macintosh or IBM.....it will be
>>partly an Amiga which will be an interesting legal situation if/when that day
>>ever sees light.
>>
>>Chris
> 
>  I mentioned this once in a post a long time ago.  The biggest impediment
>  to moving the Toaster to another hardware platform is that the whole
>  Toaster software system is written in Amiga Assembler language (all 300K
>  lines of it :-)  Converting this to even Macintosh (which is at least a
>  68000-based system), let alone to an IBM PC would be a nightmare.  The
>  reasons for doing this early on were for performance improvements.  As
>  is typical in the computer business, the performance improvements that
>  were gained on the 68000 are probably no longer very significant on a
>  68030 or 68040 Amiga, but the programming language problem is still as
>  great.  Sigh...  If they wrote they thing in C to begin with, they 
>  probably would have had a hard time running it on a 68K amiga but they
>  could have moved it to a fast Intel or Risc-chip system trivially when
>  the processor performance was available.  Double sigh...
>
>  Jon Rosen
Not entirely true.  Alan Hastings does not write in Assembler.  He writes in C.
 Little by little, he's been getting bits of assembler code from his
compatriots, thus improving LightWave 3-D.  BTW, Alan Hastings is the author of
NewTek's LightWave 3-D.
   As a side note, I've been told that NewTek will be releasing LIGHTWAVE PRO,
a standalone version of the software that will not require the Video Toaster to
operate.


Raymond Ulibarri
Vice President
MultiCon
Multimedia Concepts
(510)261-1001
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: video/audio switcher recommendation?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Oct 1992 10:25 EST  

In article <1992Oct14.172058.14453@research.nj.nec.com>, brad@research.nj.nec.com (Brad Gianulis) writes...
> 
>Hi.
> 
>I'm looking for recommendations on a switcher that will take
>multiple video & audio inputs and be able to switch to one of
>many video & audio outputs. Similar to what would be done with
>a patch panel, I guess, but by pushing a button. It would also
>be nice if there was a data conenction so that I could do this
>remotely from a computer (e.g. the Video Commander from IRIS
>Technologies). Is the VC the only machine out there that will
>do this? Are there other "manual" switchers?
> 
>It is necessary to be able to switch audio as well as video, and
>not necessarily to the same location (i.e. V1 --> V2, A1 --> A3).
> 
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
If you're looking at a consumer-level (i.e., inexpensive) switcher, check 
out the Vidicraft ProSwitcher.  It has an RS-232 interface, is a 4x4 matrix 
(a/v or a/s-vid), and is reasonably priced at $400 roughly. 

Greg
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From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: POSTPRODUCTION
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:05:25 GMT

Anybody out there know if there are any small postproduction houses out there
who are surviving against the big places?  I read THE INDEPENDENT magazine a
lot and it seems like there are a lot of small houses out in NY (lots of
Toaster stuff, too) but very few "small" places here in Chicago.

Just wondering


Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock)
Subject: Re: S-VHS Connectors
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:39:09 GMT

In article Re: S-VHS Connectors of 7 Oct 1992 00:25:30 GMT mmcohen@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael M Cohen) writes:

>
>In article <1992Oct2.112011.4336@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> mccool@csri.toronto.edu (Michael McCool) writes:
>>The S-VHS connector is identical to the Macintosh Keyboard
>>connector.  Therefore, if you need a panel-mount SVHS connector...
>>
>>Michael McCool
>
>NOT TRUE.
>
>The S-plug has an outward-going ridge at the top
>vs an inward ridge for the mac connector.
>
>You may be able to force some S-plugs into such
>a socket but it's not a great fit.
>
>S-sockets need a cutout on the surrounding ring
>for the top ridge.
>-- 

I have found S cables with both inward and outward top alignment keys.
While the fit from S to Mac applications depends on the key orientation
(slightly snugger fit with no operational compromise), Mac cables
have fit every S aplication I have tried. 

Empirically yours,


Kurt

Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: brad@research.nj.nec.com (Brad Gianulis)
Subject: video/audio switcher recommendation?
Originator: brad@eames
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:20:58 GMT


Hi.

I'm looking for recommendations on a switcher that will take
multiple video & audio inputs and be able to switch to one of
many video & audio outputs. Similar to what would be done with
a patch panel, I guess, but by pushing a button. It would also
be nice if there was a data conenction so that I could do this
remotely from a computer (e.g. the Video Commander from IRIS
Technologies). Is the VC the only machine out there that will
do this? Are there other "manual" switchers?

It is necessary to be able to switch audio as well as video, and
not necessarily to the same location (i.e. V1 --> V2, A1 --> A3).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Video Toaster
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:22:41 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: na
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <5OCT199211385740@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:
<In article <4205@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes...
<>In article <1OCT199216554449@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:
<><What are the professionals impressions of the Toaster?  Is it truly 
<>You can't judge the Toaster by the VHS demo.  I have a copy of their Umatic-SP
<>demo and it is great.  It is definately NTSC spec and definately of high
<>quality.
<> 
<>Remember, feed shit into it and you'll get shit back out of it.
<
<Sorry to post to the net, e-mail to Vidiot bounces.

Email to an internet address listed below won't bounce.  Email to vidiot.uucp
will, since there is currently problems in the e-mail chain.

<  The Toaster (+supporting h/w) is definately my next purchase.
<  Now, since my ED h/w doesn't perform single-frame recording, so could you 
<recommend a used U-matic SP recorder(s) and a fair cost for such.

I have a rag here somewhere that deals with used equipment, but is buried
somewhere.  I suggest calling some of your local broadcast station chief
engineers and ask if you could sit in their lobby and look through some of
his latest rags that contain ads for used broadcast equipment.  Should be
a great source for finding stuff.
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From: kmeyer@amiganet.chi.il.us (Karl Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Panasonic AG5700
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:40:12 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Does anyone here have any experience with one of these? It a fairly new model
and I was wondering about it's potential for doing accurate edits.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: mccool@dgp.toronto.edu (Michael McCool)
Subject: Re: RGB to NTSC convertor
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:41:19 GMT

I've been thinking about building a simple RGB-to-NTSC convertor
for a while.  I'd like it to be as cheap as possible, and have
come up with the following options:

1) Synthesize the NTSC signal in hardware, using only the
   green channel.   Then, use H/W only to add burst to the
   signal.

   This approach depends upon having adequate horizontal
   resolution.  However, it would probably be the best approach
   for 8-bit frame buffers, since you get to use your
   available quantization levels efficiently.

2) Do the YIQ conversion in S/W, then output Y on green,
   and IQ on GB.  The HW would do the quadrature modulation
   of the IQ signal, add chroma to the Y signal, and then
   mix in the IQ.  To save HW, I would be willing to go
   to S-VHS and avoid the final mixing stage.

	This approach would save HW for the matrix conversion,
   and also match the quantization of the RGB output more
   directly to the information in the NTSC signal.

Questions:  has anyone else attempted designs like I propose?
Where would I find good references for simple circuits to do
the above?  Finally, where exactly can I find out what is in
a S-VHS signal?  I.e., is there a chroma pulse on the Y,
is the IQ signal modulated just as in NTSC, does the IQ signal
also have a sync pulse, etc.

Michael McCool.
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