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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: REVIEWS:  Robocop/Terminator, Sword of Azrael, Namor
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:28:31 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Here's some reviews for this week's books...



SWORD OF AZRAEL
---------------

    This series keeps moving... Denny O'Neil is doing quite a credible job
    with the scripting (even though I'm not a huge fan of his), and Joe
    Quesada never dissapoints.  He is a little less dynamic in this series,
    but renders a beautiful Batman and, for once, a great looking Bruce Wayne.
    Looking forward to the final issue.




ROBOCOP vs. TERMINATOR
----------------------

    I just don't know what to say about this.  It's a mess.  Miller and
    Simonson (two of my favorite creators) just are not working well together
    on this book.  Miller isn't helping matters much.  His script is muddled,
    confusing, and rehashed.  There are some GREAT premises here, but they are
    getting watered down by bad scripting, and rehashed tricks.  (How many
    times will Miller use 'die by fire'?)  It's a shame because this series
    could have been really well done.  Simonson is just not shining with this
    book as much as I thought he might.  Plenty of machinery and guns to keep
    him happy, but his artwork is often flat and confusing.



NAMOR
-----

    Well, Byrne's gone now.  I wasn't thrilled with his plotting as it was,
    way too drawn out and actionless.  (Namor used to be a pretty tough guy,
    right? :) )  Jae Lee always steals the show, ESPECIALLY with his own inks.
    He's on his way.  However, Bob Harris is making this a CONFUSING disaster.
    Who could possibly keep track of all the characters he's introducing and
    re-introducing?  Uggh.  I couldn't imagine what this book would be like
    with a good writer at the helm.  With a guy like Lee taking his whacks,
    you couldn't lose.




    That's it...



    
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie)
Subject: Comic FTP site???
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:52:08 GMT


	Anyone know of an FTP site where one can obtain such nifty gifs of
Spider-Man, Doctor Doom, and the like?  I would be ever so grateful!

--

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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	pictures."
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From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:33:00 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
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In article <By1IrE.30A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare) writes:

>     3) He's really dead, but somebody revives him.  Like that imp guy.  If
>he can rework reality all over Metropolis (the world?) to suit his 5th 
>dimensional sense of humor, then you better bet he could reanimate a dead
>body.  Counter-argument:  mind-boggling metaphysical and religious questions.
>Counter-counter-argument:  I love imp appearences.  Bring on the imp.

Unfortunately, any magic changes that imp makes vanish when he does. Anyone
he may kill comes back to life and anyone he may bring back to life dies
when he leaves. 

>
>    7) He's really dead, but DC will start publishing "untold stories" that
>happened in the time before he died.  Counter-argument:  Actually, this would
>be pretty cool.  Hence, it won't happen.

The problem is that there're only so many stories you can tell and only so
long you can sustain the interest of readers in a comic that isnt going
anywhere and has an inevitable end. DC does a pretty good job of this in LOTDK,
but thats just one title, not four and has  more mature storylines. 

Abhijit
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:02:51
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu's message of Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:09:48 GMT

It's simple.  No one thought Doomsday was a big deal, certainly not
Superman.  He figured he'd just wade in and knock the tar out of him.

By the time he realized that he was in trouble, he was too out of it
to do something smart and intelligent.  To get the feel of this, one
only had to realize just how short a time period is covered once the
JLA is knocked around.

Doomsday was so single minded that no one hadany time to do anything
or formulate a plan.  So Supes just had to go brawn to brawn.
Doomsday is stronger, so Supes gets smoked.  Simple.

And an appropriately ironic way to go, I might add.

In fact, if I were willing to give the writers the benefit of the
doubt, I might marvel at their sarcastic and ironic insight into the
workings of the slugfest mentality of many comic books and the sly
note that one day, somebody would have to come along who was just too
plain strong to be beaten.  I might applaud their daring at having a
stupid but very strong person kill Superman.

Unfortuantely, I can't give them the benefit of the doubt.

Oh, well.

--
Peace.
          "I have more respect for a man who lets me know where
           he stands even if he's wrong... than the one who comes
           up like an angel and is nothing but a devil."
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From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SIDE NOTE ON "DOOMSDAY"
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:30:40 GMT

...according to a close associate who claims to have an e-mail connection 
with Neil Gaiman, the reason Death does NOT appear at the front of the funeral
march in a cheerleader suit w/twirling baton went something like this:

Mike Carlin/Et Al: "Neil, we'd like to use Death in this storyline..."

Neil: "Level with me...does he *really* die?"

MC: "Uh....yes...well, no, actually, he does get better. We're not sure as
     to how just yet...but we'd still lik..."

Neil: "In that case, the answer is 'no'. After all, Death wouldn't be there
       unless he was *really* dead. Next question?"

...so I guess we can assume Death's appearance at the end of "The End" means
that the 30th Century Earth and those 2 billion-plus that were left behind
are, in fact, toast.

Any guesses on how soon the survivors wind up on Danny the Earth?

                                                                OM
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH: The flamers are pathetic
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:31:45 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

How can something be OFF-TOPIC in a MISCELLANEOUS newsgroup?
After you and your cohorts are done burning the books and attending
Tipper Gore song lyrics school, why don't you all hop on over to
Alt.Sex and tell the people there that any and all posts about
blowjobs are from now on OFF-TOPIC because they refer to ORAL SEX
and the newsgroup clearly indicated Alt.SEX with no indication of
oral? Maybe a jaunt into alt.bestiality and alt.tasteless is in
order for you guys too. They seem to have unabridged freedom on
those groups, and we can't have THAT now can we?

Just drop the "master race" routine and read what you want to read,
instead of begrudging others what they want to write.

Heaven forbid we should have something on this net that those
who attained godhood disapprove of.
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Date: 19 Nov 1992 04:32:13 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1eepe6INN4ck@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:
>
>Judging by the publcity, I may be the only comics fan in America
>who isn't, but I'm not.  I buy comics for enjoyment of quality

	Nope, you're not.  Not only am I not buying the Superman death
issues, but I dropped the titles when they announced this whole 
stupid "death" thing.  
	And I'm glad I did.  
	EVERY review I have heard of the issues leading up to the "death"
(I put it in quotes, since everyone KNOWS, sure as fanboys buy Image, that
he's going to come back from the "dead" in Adventures of Superman #400),
has been that the story was a mindless slugfest where _everyone_ involved
has pointed out that there are umpty-up hundred DC heroes who can take
out Doomsday with the snap of their fingers (Dr Fate, Spectre, a Green
Lantern with a postive IQ), another equally large group of folks comparable
to Superman in power so they could eventually pound him into the ground
(Valor, Captain Marvel, Lobo, Captain Atom), and that the heroes who DID 
help Supey were idiots tactically (specifically Guy, Booster, and Maxima).
	Never mind that Superman should be using more intelligent 
tactics than "SLUG HIM".  (Throw the schmuck into orbit, fercrissakes.  Don't
carry him, throw him.)

	Personally, I wish Jericho hadn't died, so that he could, after
all this fighting, lock sight, and walk DDay back into his cell.

	Dammit, I'm Frothing-At-The-Mouth again.
-- 
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:56:56 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

mre@kepler.unh.edu (Michael R Escutia) writes:
>In article <1e1jisINN3cs@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:
>>Okay, then, I'll register my opinion here.  Get rid of the LNH.  Its
>>devotees have their own nesgroup, let them keep it there.  As far as I'm

>Isn't there something called a "killfile" that might work wonders for you?

It would IF the LNHers would include LNH or Legion of Net Heroes in
the subject of all LNH messages.  My kill file is fairly diverse for
this stuff - it still doesn't work.

>next one?  The acronym "LNH" should be included in the subject line...
>you can just hit return as soon as you see it.

I don't see how anyone could object to this, unless they actually had
a newsreader with a kill-file, in which case they have time to burn.
-- 
If we all work together we can totally disrupt the system.  -- Brilliant
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman observations, past and present...
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:07:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxwBKE.K3n
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

hi Doc.  As to the Mother/Maiden/Crone as Adam's wives question, I
don't think we need to get this one confirmed, because the text
does it for us.  Adam had three wives.  But he also had one.

The Three Who Are One.


The Goddess.


All  Women.


See, it works.   Bye for Now.

LJC



-- 
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Catwoman TPB ever?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:06:28 GMT

From the way the Catwoman thread is going,
i'm beginning to wonder if DC will ever release a Greatest Catwoman Stories
like they did the Joker.  I wish they would, but I doubt it.

Anyone know if they're going to do a collection of short stories
like the further adventures of the Joker, etc?

LJC
A Serious Catwoman fan since I was 5

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Disclaimer: The U of I doesn't give a damn or blast WHAT I do
From: c60b-3fe@e260-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:42:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-3f.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov20.025743.16833@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>In article <6cXJ038zbcs200@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>>Before Superman died:
>>People said, "Look, up in the sky!  It's a bird!  It's a plane! It's
>>Superman!"
>>
>>After Superman died:
>>It's pretty much narrowed down to bird or plane.
>
>Nah, it could be a frog.
>
>Or neither bird nor plane nor even frog, just li'l ol' me, Underdog.

Or, it could be the Flying Pig.  Whose job it is to ease the monotony
of standing in long lines throughout the world!!!

Hee hee heeeee.  Ho ho hooooo.  Ha ha haaaaa

Mikel B.

ps.  - those of you who don't know who this is.  You should watch the
       Kids in the hall.

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From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:24:42 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1eepe6INN4ck@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:
>
>Judging by the publcity, I may be the only comics fan in America
>who isn't, but I'm not.  I buy comics for enjoyment of quality
>story and art and solid storytelling, not to be jerked around
>by the phony "death" of a character everyone knows will be back
>(in a way, all this grief and mourning for Superman in the comic
>is a cruel mockery of the feelings of people who have lost a real
>person to death and know that he/she will never, ever, come back).

I think part of good writing (whether its a comic or a TV show or
a book) is to make readers or viewers empathize with particular
characters in the book or comic. So I dont agree that a well written
death sequence represents a cruel mockery of people's feelings. Nor is
it necessarily a bad story simply because we know a character will be
back. [ And its possible that the current Superman will not be back,
instead a new version of Superman will turn up]

After all Alan Moore did write an excellent "last Superman story" to write
finis to the career of the pre-Crisis Superman. And, closer to home,
the death and funeral of Mr. Miracle two years back was handled pretty
well, even though everyone knew very well that that was a robot.

Mind you, the way this storyline has been handled so far hasnt given me
any confidence that this will be well done. 

>If I bought this comic, I would feel that I had been taken in by
>a cheap publicity stunt.  As for any supposed "investment value"
>of this comic, investment value is mainly a function of rarity;
>how is a comic book which sells millions of copies which are all
>carefully saved, ever going to become rare?

No disagreement there.

Abhijit


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re: Jim Lee rips off Frank Miller??
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:21:30 GMT

In article <1e7u9tINNqps@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:
>Yeah, but artists like Miller, Sienkiewicz, and Mike Mignola arrived at
>their current disctincitve styles by experimentation on their OWN.  Bill
>Sienkiewicz, for one, forsook the comic book world for a while to study
>art in Europe, so at least he actually understands what he's DOING when
>he makes those "weird looking" pictures.  Frank Miller, when he developed
>his Sin City style (which is more or less a natural progression from the
>style of art in his earlier works like RONIN) didn't just say "Ooooh, I'm
>gonna draw like XXXXXX now!!"  On the other hand, Jim Lee, for whom this
>style is definately NOT a natural progression, is doing just that.  If he
>wants to break out of his current style (which I'd have to agree has
>somewhat stagnated now) I wish he'd do it by learning something about
>art and adapting that new understanding to his work, rather than just
>shifting gears to a ripoff of someone else's style.

How do you know that this is what Jim Lee is doing?  I am just curious
since most comic book artwork looks similar, with very, very few 
exceptions.  And I wouldn't consider Frank Miller's art an exception.

And when you take an art class, alot of learning how to draw, paint, etc.
comes from copying other famous artist.  So, if Jim Lee is copying 
Frank Miller, and I am not convinced that he is, so what?  If he wants
to learn how to draw like Mr. Miller, why shouldn't he?
					
					Ron
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Mazzucchelli?
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:20:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Whatever happened to Dave Mazzucchelli? His work on Batman: Year One and the
>"Born Again" arc in Daredevil was outstanding. Just wondering if he is out of
>the comics business or just somewhere I don't know about.


He has his own publishing company which produces a periodic anthology book.  I
believe the company is called Rubber Blanket Press.

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|   out in everyone.'                                         | Renaissance |
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Planet of the Glenns)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:23:54 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1en967INNd0i@pollux.usc.edu> akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>
>I agree that the tight continuity restricts creative freedom too much. If the
>Superman titles are to be redone, I would like to see one focusing on strict
>continuity, another one which has separate storylines but generally follows
>continuity. I  would also like to see a third title in the LOTDK format with
>different creative teams and more mature stories { I admit its harder to write
>more mature stories about Superman than it is about Batman}. 
>
>And DC should put its money where its mouth is and start putting out more
>prestige high-end Superman stuff. Seems like Batman has one of these stories
>every month, but DC  is reluctant to give Superman any (even Elseworlds
>stories). 

I think both these are good ideas, I might go back to buying the
ocassional Superman if there was an LotDK style title or an Elseworlds
story, either one.  I don't know why we couldn't get a nicely painted
story that was well written by someone new to Superman, either.  But
with 4 titles a month done this way, I don't even look at them,
generally.  They can't all 4 be that good :^).  And I usually like
Ordway's stuff, but as it is, it's like all the entertwining Marvels;
more trouble than it's worth to figure out what's going on.  I did
read the Death storyline, mostly out of nostalgia, and although the
number of panels thing was nifty, it was a pretty bizaare way to try
to pull in new readers, IMO.  And the follow-up JLA, well that was a
waste of paper. I'm sure there are a lot of new readers to be had for
books that are one long fight scene, but from what I read here, that
didn't describe the average Superman book these days.  Before this
storyline, that is.  Well, at least there is the Ordway painted Shazam
to look forward to.

Pax ex machina, 
Glenn
......................................................................
"We now return you to your regularly scheduled episode of `The Brave &
    The Bold'"
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The writer, Harlan Ellison
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:33:30 GMT
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front

In article <1992Nov20.031744.17921@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.174056.8601@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.013219.28499@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>>>(208-9) with Art Cover. He wrote the story for Detective #567, a very funny
>>>story about the worst night in Batman's life.
>>
>>Well, hardly the *worst* night.  You might consider a certain night when his
>>parents took him to see ZORRO as a better candidate, for example. . .  But
>>a very frustrating night.
>
>Nope, that was carefully phrased. It was the worst night of Batman's life,
>not Bruce Wayne's. Although probably the death of Jason Todd would take that
>first one now.

No, that was the worst-*written* night of Batman's life. Of
course, Batman didn't show up for Dupesday's gay romp through
Metropolis.

One funny thing about 'Tec 567 was the context. Harlan Ellison
had just written a Daredevil story called "The Worst Night of My
Life", in which Daredevil gets locked in a mansion in which
*every room* is a comic-book style Deathtrap(TM). He barely
escapes with his life a dozen times over. Good story, and
well-written, but way cliched. Then came Batman's "Worst Night of
My Life", which, well... ah-heh-heh...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"When angry, count four. When very angry, swear."
                --Mark Twain
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:19:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <BxsqJz.ACF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes:
>newsgroup.  God, you all take yourself so SERIOUSLY!  What's wrong with a 

Agreed.  Lighten, up, Jim!
RACM is *entertainment*.  
The LNH is also *entertainment*.  
Put the two together and what do you get?
*Entertainment!*

>	And while we're at it, let's create:
>rec.art.comics.misc.stuff.jim.cowling.reads and
>rec.art.comics.misc.stuff.jim.cowling.doesn't.read
>Maybe _that_ will stop his bitching...

You've got my vote.  :)
						--MikE


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