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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Evolution
Date: 1 Jan 1993 00:04:09 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
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In article <144352@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, dk@imager (Dave Knapp) writes:
|> In Article <33052.2B3ADE47@puddle.fidonet.org>
|> Edward.Dunagin@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Edward Dunagin) writes:

|> > How then can I ever hope to convince an unbeliever to have faith
|> > in God through scientific evidence? Never! I do not have that
|> > power.

|>    Precisely.  As I said in my first post, I am a Christian.  I
|> believe in God because God has given me the grace to do so, _not_

I can conceive God even though I have no scientific evidence concerning
God. But my conception does not have to be true. It however has to be
questioned. Just like the time when Einstein conceived relativity. He
didn't know it was true when he conceived it. He had to prove it.

BTW, what is the grace?

-- 

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca

  What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs
  Rolls over your neighbor's dog?
  What's great for a snack and fits on your back?
  It's Log, Log, Log!      -- "The Log Song", from Ren & Stimpy

  Math is tough!           -- Barbie
From: York.York@p0.f11.n356.z1.fidonet.org (York York)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: SPECIATION (WAS: "RE:
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:44:40 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:356/11.0 - The College, Coos Bay OR

I think most creationists develop bogus third legs just to keep from falling flat on their faces. I have never heard one of them make a clear statement concerning a higher life form. 


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From: Joshua.Kramer@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Joshua Kramer)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: animals
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 15:55:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

SH>question was, Should rabbits be used for testing of lotions,
SH>shampoos and conditioners?  Yhis can go for any animal not just
SH>rabbits.  I think it is better to test the product on animals
SH>before msrketing the product rather than putting it out on market

I disagree... the cosmetics that are tested upon rabbits are not staples
of life and they are not needed... and sacrificing animals for something
that is not needed is illogical.

--Josh


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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: computers
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:35:48 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

I will be delighted to answer ANY questions about computers...
 
I often work as a computer guru (system architect and object oriented 
architect) (architect here means someone who designs the WHOLE comptuer 
system includingt project planing and user interfaces and ...EVERYTHING 
)
 
How do you like living there?
 
Where do you plan on going to college?
 
ASK ANY COMPUTER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE!
 
David Rahfeldt



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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
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Subject: Re: environment
Date: 27 Dec 92 14:37:46 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

Olivia,
 
It is possible to make a nearly smokeless fire if you use a good well 
designed combustor technology (stove) .... but alas the folks insist 
on using old stoves and even open fireplaces... the net result is 
very inefficient conbustion at lower temperatures without any attempt 
to "reburn" the exhaust. Gasses coming off from most fires still contain 
vast amounts of combustable materials (solid particulates and gases 
both) and shouldbe send through a second and thrird stage of a stove 
to burn them more completely.... IF this is done and particulate 
filtration is done... woood stoves would become a boon insttead of 
bane of the heating world....
 
It is a technology problem, and education problem, NOT a problem with 
wood smoke being tokic to the environment per se... the addition of 
the particulate matter to the air... especially in winter contributes 
to serious polution be assisting in establishing inversions, varying 
albedo, etc.etc. that can cause a great deal of other local polution 
to get also trapped... and in most citites with any industrial 
activity...THAT is dangerous to people...
 
 
David Rahfeldt 



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From: Joshua.Kramer@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Joshua Kramer)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: computers
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:20:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

RL>time with a cd rom system and.  We are also enjoying playing with
RL>sound waves and with a camera that transfers its pictures onto the

What kind of sound board do you have?

--josh
























RL>--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
RL> * Origin: ROOM 5 BONNERS FERRY IDAHO USA (1:346/14.0)

 * SLMR 2.1a * My reality check just bounced.



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From: Tyler.Coffey@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Tyler Coffey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: bears
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:03:15 PDT
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From: Laurie.Appleton@f316.n640.z3.fidonet.org (Laurie Appleton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Speed of light
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:47:16 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/316 - The Galaxy GateWay , Minden Qld Australia

 JC> On 12-10-92, LAURIE APPLETON wrote to JEREMY CARROLL:
>-------------------------------------
 JC> I guess that many of our science teachers present the 
 JC> speculations about these things with such confidence 
 JC> that many students are beguiled into thinking that they 
 JC> are as good as factual, when that is not the case at 
 JC> all.
>-------------------------------------

 JC> For more company on this feeling that maybe there are 
 JC> some misconceptions passed on by a few of us, see the 
 JC> Oct. 1992 issue of Scientific American in which you'll 
 JC> find a paper presented on the state of science ed. in the USA.

   Thank you for that comment. I will look for that issue and read
it with interest.

Regards,  Laurie



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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Abortion
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:13:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

How do you like Taiwan?
 
What do you do in Taiwan? Are you Chinese or Other Cultural Group 
and are you Taiwanese or other Nationality?
 
Do you think most young women in Taiwan agree with your views?
 
How readily are abortions available to young women or woemn in general 
in Taiwan?
 
What is situation like now in Taiwan in geeneral with regard to womens 
rights and equality in the society and workplace?
 
How much do women from Taiwan travel and learn about new cultures?
 
How prejudiced is Taiwan culture on hbasis of education or race etc?
 
Thanks
 
David Rahfeldt (Ph.D Physics - 40 year old adventurer)
 



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From: Alex.Kennedy@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Alex Kennedy)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Using animals for tests
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 12:54:21 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton AB

71
Re: your stance on the testing of animals:
    Although it is quite true that animals ARE nescessary to test compound  that may be potentially dangerous to humans, it is also true that  sophisticated computers and lab equipment have the potential to simulate  these tests, if only on simpler animals.  A system which preforms  compound tests on frogs, I believe, already exists.  Also, we must  consider the importance of the compoud that we test- is the compound we  are testing important enough to kill a life, whether Homo sapiens or any  other?  Afte
r all, we must remember that the fictional character "Dr.  Frankenstien" was a scientist also, who also believed he was advanceing  the human cause.



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From: John.Vickers@f715.n351.z1.fidonet.org (John Vickers)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: environment
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 16:00:08 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:351/715 - Master's Touch, Ucluelet BC

Pls excuse me for interupting this conversation but...

 > It is possible to make a nearly smokeless fire if you use a good well
 > designed combustor technology (stove) .... but alas the folks insist on

Do you happen to know how pellet stoves fair in this equation?

 > using old stoves and even open fireplaces... the net result is very
 > inefficient conbustion at lower temperatures without any attempt to
 > "reburn" the exhaust. Gasses coming off from most fires still contain

Pls, if you know how one might go about this i'd be very interested. I heat almost exclusively with a wood stove. My house has electric baseboard back up heating but electricity here is very expensive.

 > burn them more completely.... IF this is done and particulate filtration
 > is done... woood stoves would become a boon insttead of bane of the
 > heating world....

Bane, I guess it depends on your point of view...personally while I realize that wood stoves are certainly not very effiecient. I for one could not afford to heat our 2000 + sq. Ft. home w/o it. But, since I have a professional as well as personal interest in the well being of the environment any furhter information on this topic would be very helpful.

 > get also trapped... and in most citites with any industrial
 > activity...THAT is dangerous to people...

Fortunately, the city here abouts totals 1500 souls, and we almost always have prevailing winds off the ocean. So, I'm not immedeiately on a local basis overly concerned regarding the smoke problem.

Thxs, John


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From: Jim.Maroon@f33.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Maroon)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: evolution
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 10:17:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/33 - Tulare County Schoo, Visalia CA

 -=> Quoting Kurt Grosshans to All <=-


 KG> Jerry Saville writes:
 >                Remember,
 >    You asked for it!
 >    Adam and Eve came from the one, original God. He created them.
 >    As for evolution, I am not completely opposed to the idea. There are
 >    some interesting things that come out of the idea, but you must remember,
 >    Darwin recanted his own theory! It was the athiests that picked up the
 >    idea and ran with it. (Darwin, by the way was an avid Christian)

       One does not need to be an athiest to reject the creation myth
 and accept evolution completely.  It's a nice story, but historically bogus.
 Evolution and Christianity are not mutually exclusive.  I am both a Christian
 and an evolutionist.

        And Darwin never recanted his own theory.  That's one of the lies
 "Godly" creationists have propogated.  You had better check it out for
 yourself before you go passing it along.

... The last thing I saw was this Big Blue Wave!
    Blue Wave/QWK v2.10



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From: Summer.Klopfenstein@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Summer Klopfenstein)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: tumor
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:24:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

 
   Your eye is a very complicated system of tissues and nerves.  If
anything goes wrong the whole system shuts down.  Your eyes see a
picture and that picture is sent to the brain (told in a very
unscientific way)  your brain send the picture back in a decoded
message so you are able to see.  These "pictures " are sent on your
optic nerves.
   Something can go wrong.  The nerves from each eye meet behind
your eyes in the optic chaism.  Having a tumor in this area is a
problem.  A tumor in this area is inoperable.  Chemotherapy and
radio therapy are two ways to kill a tumor.
   The solution is a long period of treatments.  Some of the side
effects of these treatments is hair loss and drowiness.  The
emotional side effects is not even comparable to the physical side
effects.
   The process is followed up by yearly MRI's and visits to your
local neurologist.
   Going through this process is anything but fun.  After 25 radio
therapy treatments 5 days a week for 5 weeks you get real tired of
it.  The process is long but necessary to kill the tumor. 


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From: David.Rahfeldt@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Applied Genetics
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:03:43 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

genetic manipulation is not playing god
 
it is just what it is ... manipulating genetics.
 
I fail to see the relationship.
 
....ie ... that between god and genetics
 
 
David Rahfeldt



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From: Wendy.Kucera@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Wendy Kucera)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: antibiotics in milk
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:39:08 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

    Hi my name is Wendy Kucera and Iam from a small town in
Northern Idaho called Bonners Ferry. In my English class we are
doing reseach papers, and mine is on atibiotics in milk and dairy
animals. I have found information on how to prevent shipping
contaminated milk and on marking treated animals. I live on a dairy
farm so I understand the precautions associated with shipping milk
for commercial use but what I have not found is what effects, if
any, these atibiotics have on humans. In my reading I have come
across only 22 atibiotics that can be tested but there are over 78
atibiotics that can be given to a sick animal that can get into the
milk. The 22 drugs I have read about the names have never been
listed. I have read through several issues of Succesful Farming,
Dairy Herd, and Dairy Today but I have not had any success. I would
appreciate any replys on a magizene issue that may held answer some
of my questions or if anyone knows any of answers I would greatly
appreciate it. 


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From: Richard.Edwards@f19.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Edwards)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Ballistics
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 03:35:05 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:267/19 - QMS Connection, Queensbury NY

 > tracing.  What types of tests do they use?  Do they test the
 > chemicals in the bullet, and shell (if found), to trace
 > the weapon
 > to certain manufacturers?  I have heard that they use the pattern
 > of scratches and disfigurations on both the bullet and the
 > shell to
 > trace it to a certain weapon, but that the weapon must be
 > found in
 > order to compare the bullet found at the scene to a bullet fired
 > from the suspected weapon.  Is this true?  Also, does the testing
While not being affiliated with a law agency I can tell you that the marks on the bullets are the primary way that weapons are identified. These marks com from the riflings in the barrel of the weapon (they provide stability for the bullet in flight) and are unique to each weapon. It is important to find the weapon for the comparison to confirm that a particular weapon was used. Some information can be gathered from the bullet. the caliber of the weapon is the most important but the bullet weight and gener
al shape characteristics can be determined as well. I don't believe that other information that can be obtained is as important as these in that many of the components of the round cannot be traced as easily. Remember I am not an expert but am familiar with guns in general. If there is anything else you would like please feel free to ask and I'll see if I can get you answers. I know many police officers in my area (I'm a vol. fire-fighter) and could probably come up with some more if you need it.



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From: John.Widmer@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (John Widmer)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Probeware in science classes
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:01:36 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

Thanks for your very nice comments.   I have had a lot of fun with the course this year.
Give my regards to Peter Biro .. sounds like a good move.  You should make a good duo!!  Ring or Pester .... Tain electronics .. Steve Howard if you want some assistance with the box!!
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From: Joey.Villelli@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Joey Villelli)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: logging
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:44:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

To Joshua Kramer-
     Hi my name is Joey Villelli.  I am student at Bonners Ferry
High School,  and live in Bonners Ferry Idaho.  I am interested in 
 
a letter you wrote about clearcuts and logging.  Obviously, you
have not thought about this too much.  What do you write on?  Would
you rather wipe your butt with plastic?  What is your house made
out of?  What do you write with? perhaps pencils?  Do you have wood
heat?  What is your furniture made out of?  All of these things
require the use of wood.  This wood has to come from somewhere, and
part of it comes from our community.  Could you live without all of
these items?  Our community is based on logging,  close to 3\4 of
our population is tied in with the logging business in some way.
We will not be dead by lack of oxyen, but probably by lack of clean
air.  Besides, our loggers replant our forests after clearcuts.
You should have thought more about your reply to Shannons letter
before you sent it.
 
Joey 


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From: Adam.Clark@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Adam Clark)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Recycle
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:37:21 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

     Hello, my name is Adam Clark.  I am a very concerned teenager
that lives in Bonners Ferry, Idaho.  At our local grocery store,
the food baggers usually ask me if I want my groceries in a paper
or plastic bag.  Which one is actually better in enviromental
terms? I don't know, you tell me!
     I realize it must take alot of trees to make paper bags, which
are used in stores across our nation everyday.  I also realize that
harmful chemicals are used in producing plastic bags and they are
harmful when deposited in our land fills.  Both plastic and paper
can be recycled, but not everyone recycles.
     Whenever I walk away from getting the groceries, I wonder
which of the two harm the enviroment the least and which one I
should have asked for.  Which one would you ask for, paper or
plastic?
                     Your concerned friend,
                     Adam Clark



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From: Paul.Boyle@f40.n2310.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Boyle)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: If you had $7,000 to purchase computer equipment for your classroom...
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 08:46:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2310/40 - EVSC BBS, Evansville IN

You may want to think about an IBM Personal Science Lab. It is very useful if
you need to do science fair or display experiments an do graphing or have the
students work with data. I believe the whole package with all the probes is
 around 700-800 dollar range.


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From: Carletta.Smith@f2.n297.z1.fidonet.org (Carletta Smith)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Anorexia nervosa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:26:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:297/2 - Black Knight PCBoar, Farmington MO

I'm a senior at Farmington High School who is doing a research paper on Anorexia Nervosa.  If you have any information that would be helpful to me during my research, please respond in the conf.

Carletta Smith
Farmington High School



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From: York.York@p0.f11.n356.z1.fidonet.org (York York)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Applied Genetics
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:40:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:356/11.0 - The College, Coos Bay OR

If in his image ,why not?  But then I suppose that one must beleive that it is for the benefit of man,or just a wealthy few.



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From: Mr..Jantzen@f2.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Mr. Jantzen)
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Subject: simearth in the classroom
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:49:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/2 - Father Mercredi Hig, Ft McMurray AB

Dear Conni
We have the program Simearth, but have not been using it to a great extent in the classroom.  We have found that it takes too long for the student to see results after making an adjustment.  We have been using the program Sim City with many of our general stream students, and have had a great deal of success.  I would be interested in hearing how you use SimEarth in the classroom.
Scott Jantzen


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