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From: smathewrg03@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Like to hear from FZR600 riders
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.050338.16923@cltr.uq.OZ.AU>, robert@ctpm.uq.oz.au (Robert Merlicek) writes:
> I would like to hear from people that have FZR600's or CBR600f2's.
> I am thinking of buying one and wondered if peoople had any problems with the 
> FZR's. How are their headlights too. I heard some bad reports about the twin headlight setup on the older W models.
[..]
> Regards
> Robert Merlicek

  The June 1992 issue of Motor Cyclist (An American magazine) did a comparo
of the GSXR600 vs CBR600f2 vs FZR600. I won't post all the details (Unless 
you want me to?), but the overall ranking was CBR 1st, GSXR 2nd and FZR 3rd.

The FZR was faulted mainly on suspension and tyres. Also "FZR600 clutches
have always been trouble at the dragstrip...". But "Overall the Yamaha is a
very agile, confidence-inspiring bike." 

The CBR was the quickest stock 600 they ever tested. The brakes were a little
too sensitive, but on the street the Honda had the most comfortable ergonomics. 
"Comfortable ergonomics, agile handling, and more horsepower than anything 
else in the class make the CBR600f2 the machine to beat for the second year
in a row".

Hope this helps!

Roger Mathew                                  
3rd Year Information Processing              
Curtin University  Perth  WA                  1989 RZ250R   
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: jef@quark.ansto.gov.au (J. E. Fearon)
Subject: Re: shit I was lucky...
Organization: Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:16:56 GMT

In article <mmcg.714743918@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> mmcg@cs.monash.edu.au (Mike  Mc Gaughey) writes:
>ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
>
>>[nice cops]
>
>>Shit I was lucky...
>
>Heh.  You think YOU were lucky :)
>
>Broken glass all over the road, thickly covering the apex of the
>hairpin.  Right where you wouldn't see the glass if you were hurtling
>round at 80kmh (not until it was too late, anyway).  And right where,
>if you came off the bike, you would go slamming into the heavy traffic
>going the other way...

That is exactly why I don't ride 100% flat bickie on the road .. the same road
is never the same the next day .. On the track one can afford to go hell for
leather as the track will always be in perfect condition and you can push it to
the limits, but on the road more caution is advised :) ..

Just thought I'd put in my 2c worth .. stay upright :)
Jason.
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From: brent@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au (Brent Curtis)
Subject: Re: Best bike for a newbie?
Organization: School of Behavioural Sciences, Macquarie University, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:19:33 GMT

djs@cocamrd.mel.cocam.oz.au (David Sylva) writes:
>mmcg@cs.monash.edu.au (Mike  Mc Gaughey) writes:
>>rda582y@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Charles Ray) writes:
>>
>>>I am currently looking at GSX250's which I like ...... could somebody tell
>>>me if they ARE a good bike or not?
>>
>>Yep - excellent bikes (especially the later, katana-style
>>model - silver or silver/red, '83 onwards).
>>
>GSX250s tend to be prone to electrical problems, they blow alternators
>I believe. A friend of a friend had one. They are also rather heavy.

Yep, they blow alternators. I had one (a 1983 baby katana) that blew
two. They are otherwise rather fun! I doubt if I would buy another,
though. I would probably go either for something simpler (cd250,
cb, z250) or something that went faster (vt250 or a 2-stroke screamer from
hell).

                   Brent.

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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: Re: Best bike for a newbie?
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:59:08 GMT

In <1992Aug20.064934.3320@physiol.su.OZ.AU> john@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Mackin) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.151457.21953@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
>	rda582y@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Charles Ray) writes:

>> Also I know something about 'powerband' on 2-strokes .... should I be looking
>> for a 2 or 4 stroke.

>Depends on what you want out of riding.

>If you want a staid, boring, easy motorcycle, a 250 four-stroke is
>hard to pass up.

>If you want a motorcycle that is more demanding -- but at the same
>time, offers far more -- more enjoyment, more power, more excitement --
>then you should certainly be looking at a two-stroke.

>As long as your left ankle is in good working order :).

Went for a nice long ride on my 250 2stroke this weekend. Met up with another
bike (500 4stroke) which didn't have to work too hard to stay on 120kph. Me on
the other hand, accelerating to speed is fine, it's just keeping it there that's
the problem. On very tight corners though - nothing beats her provided you're always
in the right gear. Nothing beats whizzing through traffic in powerband...

>-- 
>John Mackin <john@civil.su.oz.au>
>Gandhi II.  He's back.  And this time, he's MAD.

Shckwish!

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From: david@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au (David Le Blanc)
Subject: Re: shit I was lucky 
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:28:08 GMT

mit900@ainslie.anu.edu.au (Mark I Turner) writes:

>On this thread - there must be a fair few people out there who have machines
>capable of topping the 250k mark (seems kinda pointless doesn't it?).  Most of
>these must like to see what their machine can do, at least once in their life,
>so there must be other horror stories of utter stupidity on public roads.  For
>myself, I've had my one big splurge, and the nasty scare described above, so
>I won't be doing it any more (promise!).  I'm currently finding out that you 
>can hire race-track time (with attending ambulance) at VERY reasonable
>rates - so I'm sticking to that.

Here we have people who go to Philip Island race tracks for 'track days' where
they throw their bikes around the track at mind boggling speeds.

A guy I work with took his Ducati (906 paso) up to the track, and claimed
to go about 180 to 240 (max on the speedo..) around the track. Others were
faster. Unfortunately his girlfriend dropped his pride and joy....

Wouldn't you just cry....

>Mark  
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From: ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler)
Subject: Re: Best bike for a newbie?
Reply-To: ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:30:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.011933.18569@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, brent@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au (Brent Curtis) writes:

|> Yep, they blow alternators. I had one (a 1983 baby katana) that blew
|> two. They are otherwise rather fun! I doubt if I would buy another,
|> though. I would probably go either for something simpler (cd250,
|> cb, z250) or something that went faster (vt250 or a 2-stroke screamer from
|> hell).

I believe a suzuki GS-anything has potentially bad electricals, when
I bought my GS650 the previous owner neglected to tell me that the
alternator was errr...  non-operational, so instead of being a $200
bargain, it was only a $60 bargain! (It ran fine until the battery went flat!)

It is apparently possible to replace the Suzuki voltage regulator with
a similar Kawaski unit, I have heard of several owners of GS-750 and 1100s
doing this.

|>                    Brent.
	Adrian
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From: brent@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au (Brent Curtis)
Subject: Torque reaction (was Re: LH Turns vs RH Turns)
Organization: School of Behavioural Sciences, Macquarie University, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 01:27:23 GMT

skea@vast.unsw.edu.au (Alan Skea) writes:
>If the torque
>reaction is peculiar to BMWs I think I'll keep away from them.  Does
>anyone know what other bikes suffer ffrom this? 

I don't notice the torque reaction much. If you want to corner hard then
a 17 year old BMW is hardly the thing, anyway! New ones wouldn't be as bad.
The only other bikes I can think of that are known for torque reaction
are the Guzzis. Again it may be that this is only limited to older models. 

Any Guzzi owners?

                           Brent.

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From: Anneliese Kropf <akropf@admin.amc.edu.au>
Subject: Wanted to buy Kawasaki
Organization: Australian Maritime College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 05:38:06 GMT

Would like to buy one of the following in Tasmania or Melbourne area. 
Please specify the condition, year, colour, price, etc.

ZX10
ZZR 1100
ZZR  600
GPZ  900
From: zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Club Day - Mallala (SA)
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:29:34 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Information Technology Division, The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA

zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:

>For those who want to try the Racetrack:
>  
>THe Historic Motorcycle Racing Register is holding a club day at Mallala
>on 23rd September.

AGGH It must be Ducati withdrawal symptoms...

That's 23 AUGUST!!!


Sorry...
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From: allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU.gas.unsw.OZ.AU (Allan Evans)
Subject: Re: L O U D soundz (was Re: Riding along.... <smunch!>)
Summary: Endless domains
Organization: University of New South Wales
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:57:28 GMT

*minor compunerdy gripe*

john@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Mackin) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.000352.1666@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>,
> 	allane@earth.earth.earth.earth.earth.earth.earth.earth.earth....
> 	(Allan Evans) writes:

[repeated domain]

I have been trying to get the attention of someone who knows what would
cause vnews to do this. Vnews is stored on a directory linked from another
computer...  at one point a guy suggested the configuration file, but I
haven't been able to find one.

If you can think of a reason for my duplicated domain... let me know.

On to more relevant topics:

> > Perhaps, in order that bikes are seen and noticed, all motorcyclists
> > should ride straight-pipe Electra Glides. 
> 
> Great concept.  But I reckon Duke 900s.

This I can agree with. Or Moto Guzzi's. It is amazing how the sound of 
large cylinders can be music to ones ears. Of course I like 454 Chev's
too.

Al
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From: pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan)
Subject: Re: Torque reaction (was Re: LH Turns vs RH Turns)
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics, NSW, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:52:41 GMT

rob@gbrmpa.gov.au (Rob McGill) writes:
> pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan) writes:
> 
> >Torque reaction occurs when engine revs increase or decrease, but as
> >far as I can tell, you need to be in neutral to make a big enough
> >change in the revs to feel anything. With the bike in gear, I can't
> >see that it would be possible to increase the revs quickly enough to
> >make this difference.
> 
> Depends how sedate you ride..................

Probably true. I'm a pretty sedate rider.

> 
> >I love my Guzzi!
> 
> Have to agree with that one. 
> 

> 
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Did Socrates really say that? I guess he really was one of the 
great thinkers :-)

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Be seeing you!

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From: echoppin@csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (Errol Chopping -TE)
Subject: LH Turns vs RH Turns
Organization: Charles Sturt University-Mitchell
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:50:40 GMT

A recent thread in rec.motorcycles concerns whether riders have
a preference for either right-hand corners or left-hand corners.

Some say they prefer one or the other because they:

  are right/left handed people?
  are influenced by the camber of the road?
  are influenced by the different radius?

Since most people in the discussion ride on the RHS of the road,
what do you LHS people think? Do you have a preference? Which? Why?

Errol

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From: rob@gbrmpa.gov.au (Rob McGill)
Subject: Re: Torque reaction (was Re: LH Turns vs RH Turns)
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:42:28 GMT

pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.012723.8224@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, brent@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au (Brent Curtis) writes:
>> skea@vast.unsw.edu.au (Alan Skea) writes:
>> >If the torque
>> >reaction is peculiar to BMWs I think I'll keep away from them.  Does
>> >anyone know what other bikes suffer ffrom this? 
>> 
>> The only other bikes I can think of that are known for torque reaction
>> are the Guzzis. Again it may be that this is only limited to older models. 
>> 
>> Any Guzzi owners?

>Yes, I have an 1973 Guzzi, and torque reaction is quite noticeable (and fun)
>when sitting at the lights revving the engine. I have never noticed it 
>while riding, although my Guzzi is not a great bike for cornering hard on 
>(It's a touring model).

I'm the proud owner of a 1985 'Guzzi, and it does seem to lay into
RH corners under power better than into left handers. The torque reaction 
IS definitely far more obvious, though, when you give the throttle a
blib in neutral!!!!

>Torque reaction occurs when engine revs increase or decrease, but as
>far as I can tell, you need to be in neutral to make a big enough
>change in the revs to feel anything. With the bike in gear, I can't
>see that it would be possible to increase the revs quickly enough to
>make this difference.

Depends how sedate you ride..................

>Modern Guzzis still use the same engine layout (V twin mounted across
>the frams, shaft drive), so these comments should apply to new Guzzis
>as well as old.

>On the other hand, unnoticeable torque reactions aside, Guzzis are
>great, and in my opinion for many of the same reasons BMW's are great.
>That is, longevity, simplicity, ease of maintenance and classic good
>looks. I think Mr Skea would be doing himself a great disservice if he
>ignores BMWs and Guzzis because of torque reaction. It is really not
>that big a thing.

>I love my Guzzi!

Have to agree with that one. 

>Be seeing you!

>Patrick.

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From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: shit I was lucky
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:23:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: gurrung.anu.edu.au

Well, this subject isn't attracting as much traffic as I'd expected,
so here's my contribution to the sudden survival stakes...

I put it right up there as a heartstopper with front tyre blowouts
and wandering buffalo: it's the blind turner, a cage which somehow
gets to an intersection and prepares to turn, blind to the red light
facing them, and to you coming the other way...

Right-hand turners are the worst - it's a pretty good bet for a
head-on, with you through the glass into the cage, leg crushed in
the wreck, or flying over the cage into the traffic.

A blind turner nearly got me a few years ago at a busy intersection
one evening. I was travelling home at a safe and legal speed, 70-80.
Approaching the intersection I noticed a line of cages waiting to
turn right. As I often made that right turn myself, I knew they were
facing a red arrow, while I had the green to go straight ahead.

Suddenly the lead cage, a battered 1/4 tonne ute, took off across
my path. I remember thinking "oops", then I was in the intersection.
I considered dodging to the right, but I was going too fast, and
this would definitely lead to a head-on; it was far too late to brake,
so I dodged to the left. It wsn't enough, the cage and I were still on
course, so I dodged to the left again... the cage passed behind me
with a small click. 

I managed to avoid the traffic lights, the guttering, and the other
cages, and rode on, probably without having slowed down at all, for
about half a k, when I stopped to take a few deep breaths (you know,
without helmet). Lucky there weren't any more traffic lights for
1500 km.

Next morning I found the right rear indicator lens was cracked, and
streaked with greyish paint. Yes, it wasn't just a near miss, we
actually touched. Later on I measured the intersection and did some
calculations - I'd crossed the intersection, dodging twice, in
between 1/3 and 1/2 of a second.

Sometimes still I find myself holding my breath and gritting my
teeth as I cross an intersection with cages waiting to turn right.


Keep the shiny side up. 

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From: zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: LH Turns vs RH Turns
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:45:00 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Information Technology Division, The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA

echoppin@csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (Errol Chopping -TE) writes:

>A recent thread in rec.motorcycles concerns whether riders have
>a preference for either right-hand corners or left-hand corners.

>Some say they prefer one or the other because they:

>  are right/left handed people?
>  are influenced by the camber of the road?
>  are influenced by the different radius?

>Since most people in the discussion ride on the RHS of the road,
>what do you LHS people think? Do you have a preference? Which? Why?

All of the above, plus there is more room to get it wrong.

When travelling around a left-hander, I can change line or run wide,
and have room.  On a right hander, you are committed.

Plus left handers have the edge of the road to follow, right
handers have the white line, which doesn't seem as easy to handle.

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From: zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Training (Was What no posts?)
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:39:04 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Information Technology Division, The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA

ptaplin@escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Taplin) writes:

>Zebee Johnstone's report on a route to take around the Adelaide Hills
>and Southern Vales was great. If anyone does get a chance to do some
>biking over here, do it!

Thanks Paul.  I was beginning to think it had disappeared into the
bit bucket...


>Does anyone know much about Advanced Rider Safe courses (ie. skills
>and training for riding on a track)? I've seen  an article in a Two
>Wheels issue about this being run at Eastern Creek. What about here
>in South Australia?

I looked into this a year or so ago.  Stay Upright are willing to come over 
here, but need at least 20 people to do the course (I think that was the 
number) and it would cost about $200 a pop.
  
The MRA tried to bring them over once, but the immortal bikers of Adelaide
didn't want to spend the money.

I have been trying to persuade the Adelaide City Council to bring them
over to train the bike Bombers, as an Occ Health Safety thing, but
so far no luck.  (The idea being that they would run several courses,
all metro councils could send people to it, and any left over spaces
could be filled by other council employees.  Meaning me.)

Other courses are occasionally run by various bike clubs, eg Pheonix
or Cafe Racers.  The MRA has also been known to organise them.  I;ve 
been on 2 of these, the first one was excellent the 2nd was awful.  You
have been warned.

Usually such things are noted in the Tiser classifieds on Saturday, or the
club notes on Thursday. Else call up Motorcyclng S.A. (who used to be
the ACU) and ask them.

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