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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Patrese's comments, possible spoiler
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:46:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep29.125300.25726@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes:
>
>Since no one else has commented, did anyone else hear Patrese's comment that 
>Berger's move was "the work of a killer".   Pretty strong words but not 
>completely unjustified.  Berger had to have known that Patrese was there trying
>to get the tow, he should have waved Patrese past.  What happened was a very 
>scary moment that I am glad no one was hurt or killed.



Patrese seemed pretty lucky to me.  Although the ESPN commentators were
amazed that the car didn't flip over (which looks like it might have if it had
gone higher so it rear end didn't hit the ground sooner),  I was thinking
about what if the pit entrance was a bit further back so Berger had hit the
brakes sooner.  That means the car would have gone to the right sooner and 
hit the concrete pit wall straight on, which would not have been very pretty.

alan


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From: janj@ios.se (Jan Johansson)
Subject: Re: Desmo Debut Delayed
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:21:36 GMT
Organization: Integrated Office Systems AB

hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller) writes:


>... the manual also said the thing redlined at 10K RPM so apparently
>it wasnt doing all that much good...

>someone mentions a ducati in their .sig.  what's yours redline at?

>					-Hans
>					hanss@microsoft.com

My Ducati 900 Hailwood Replica -81 has a redline at 8500 rpm, not very high
but the point is that you can make very quick valve movements and have 
the valve open as long as possible. You never have to wait for the valve
to accelerate, just close it exactly when you have to.

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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: F1 Drivers
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:37:58 GMT

In article <97176@bu.edu>, nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes...
> 
>A couple of questions first:
> 
>- Why did Senna have to go into the pits 3 times during the last laps of
>  the Estoril GP?

I would beleive the theory that he hit some debris from the Patrese accident.
Autosport should be out now; what do they say.

>- Why do ESPN commentators refer to Mansell as the "most popular F1 driver?"

Because he probably is.  Last year, when I was able to attend five GPs,
Mansell was easily the most popular driver with the crowds.  (This was very
annoying to the group that I was with since we dislike Mansell.)  At Monza,
the second favorite driver was Villenue.

alan
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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: 1988 Honda F1 turbo engine book
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:03:54 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, eliot@engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:

>	McLaren Honda Turbo
>	A Technical Appraisal
>
>written by Ian Bamsey

>Recommended for techno freaks.  I got the book as a present, so I don't
>know how much it costs, but I think I have come across it in mail order
>catalogs for 20 odd bucks or so.
>
>eliot

This book was originally 12 pounds over here but its recently 
turned up in quite a few of the clearance book shops #5.99

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: New F1 Awareness
Date: 28 Sep 1992 22:07:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Sep26.145508.25498@hasler.ascom.ch>, by kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh):
> 
> In article <lc4g3rINNr8n@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
> |> Then again, if one goes by the way Nige has
> |> behaved toward the fans this year, he may not have that much to learn.
> |> It seems to be a matter of fashion to snub F1 fans.
> |> 
> |> Chris Prael
> 
> Rather an odd statement. I think Nigel Mansell, out of all F1 drivers, is
> very accomodating and complimentary towards his fans, praising and
> mentioning them at every opportunity - why do you think he's so popular!!

Putting those 2 sentences back-to-back thoroughly mucked up what I ment
to say.

In the past, Mansell has been know as a snubber of fans, and most other
F1 drivers have also been known for it.  It still seems the fashion for
drivers to snub fans.

This year, Mansell has been the exception.  It is my view that Mansell has 
behaved quite positively towards his fans this year and that this may bode 
well for how he behaves toward the fans in future.

Chris Prael
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From: moretti@ferrari.stl.dec.com (john moretti)
Subject: Re: Denney Hulme
Reply-To: moretti@redbck.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital  Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:52:42 GMT




	Yes, young Denny Hulme was only 55 (media data) and suffered a severe
heart attack and thereport ids that he was 
dead when the ambulance guys got to him. They tried for 45 mins to
revive him but his number was up.
	He was in 5th or 6th place I think at the time and he died coming down 
Conrod Straight flat-out in the pouring rain at some unGodly speed.
	From all reports of him he was a really nice guy, sorry to see him go but 
if a REAL racer has to go , what better way.....

	He was the '67 WORLD CHAMPION of F1 so the man had talent.

	CRIM
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From: tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula)
Subject: Re: Goodys 500???
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:45:36 GMT

sanborn@berlioz.nsc.com (sanborn) writes:

>Say whatever happened to the Goody's 500? I saw that it was rain
>delayed and may have run on Monday, but I never heard if it did
>or not. If it did run could someone post a synopsis and point
>standings. If it didn't run, will it eventually or does it just
>get dropped.

The Goody's 500 did run on Monday.  It rained Monday morning, so the race
started about 2pm EST.  Spoilers ahead...

It was a strange kinda race.  Below is the finish order from ESPN.

 1 Geoff Bodine     "junk" on new tires, fast on old tires
 2 Rusty Wallace    also ran good, but lacked a little at the end
 3 Brett Bodine     led many laps, was a Bodine 1,2 at one time
 4 Kyle Petty       fastest car, kept losing laps in minor crashes and
                    then blowing by everyone to make them up
 5 Alan Kulwicki    involved in a few spins
 6 Dick Trickle     good race for Dick
 7 Sterling Marlin  ran good (qualified near last)
 8 Rick Mast        good performance for Rick
 9 Ricky Rudd       nothing special
10 Mark Martin      involved in at least 3 spins, some with Kulwicki
11 Terry Labonte    just there
12 Ted Musgrave     running as fast as the leaders at the end of the race
13 Ken Schrader     nothing special
14 Wally Dallenbach good run for Wally (started last)
15 Darrell Waltrip  car was crippled by multiple spins/crashes
16 Davey Allison    ran about 6th until lost brakes in last 50 laps
17 Jimmy Hensley    unimpressive (qualified in top 5)
18 Richard Petty    hung in there
19 Harry Gant       not the Harry from last September      
20 Derrike Cope     ?
21 Morgan Shepherd  had the Ford telemetry, max speed=119, min speed=60
22 Jim Sauter       keeps using Dave Marcis's car to beat Dave Marcis
23 Dale Jarrett     going really slow near end of race
24 Hut Stricklin    beat Jeff Purvis
25 Dave Marcis      ran with Jim Sauter alot, but a few laps behind him
26 Jeff Purvis      nothing of notice
27 Ernie Irvan      behind the wall early, came out and ran laps later
28 Bobby Hamilton   some kind of mechanical trouble
29 Michael Waltrip  crashed hard, breaking car (i think that was this week)
30 Bill Elliott     blew engine lost 42 points in championship to Davey,
                    but still leads by 112
31 Dale Earnhardt   all kinds of engine trouble, this is Dale's 3rd dead
                    last finish since June (Daytona,Talladega,Martinsville)

--
Terry Matula
tlm1@ra.msstate.edu
matula@ee.msstate.edu
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Grande Premio SG Gigante de Portugal Qualifying Times
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:56:57 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

Qualifying times for the 1992 Grande Premio SG Gigante de Portugal [1]

    Friday			Saturday		     Final Grid		
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1  Mansell	1m 13.041   	Mansell		1m 13.961    Mansell
 2  Patrese	1m 13.672   	Senna		1m 14.258    Patrese
 3  Berger	1m 15.117   	Patrese		1m 14.305    Senna 
 4  Senna	1m 15.343   	Berger 		1m 15.068    Berger 
 5  Schumacher	1m 15.356   	Schumacher	1m 15.890    Schumacher 
 6  Hakkinen	1m 16.173   	Brundle		1m 16.084    Brundle 
 7  Alboreto	1m 16.282   	Hakkinen	1m 16.213    Hakkinen 
 8  Herbert	1m 16.755   	Herbert		1m 16.628    Alboreto
 9  Brundle	1m 16.796   	Alesi		1m 16.884    Herbert 
10  Alesi	1m 16.937   	Boutsen		1m 16.930    Alesi
11  Boutsen	1m 17.332   	Alboreto	1m 17.109    Boutsen 
12  De Cesaris	1m 17.356   	De Cesaris	1m 17.240    De Cesaris
13  Suzuki	1m 17.361   	Gachot		1m 17.250    Gachot
14  Comas	1m 17.384   	Comas		1m 17.264    Comas
15  Grouillard	1m 17.512   	Grouillard	1m 17.277    Grouillard
16  Gachot	1m 17.624   	Capelli		1m 17.287    Capelli
17  Martini	1m 17.661   	Morbidelli	1m 17.387    Suzuki
18  Lehto	1m 17.847   	Lehto		1m 17.474    Morbidelli
19  Gugelmin	1m 17.949   	Gugelmin	1m 17.631    Lehto
20  Morbidelli	1m 17.973   	Suzuki		1m 17.675    Gugelmin
21  Capelli	1m 18.030   	Wendlinger	1m 18.445    Martini
22  Wendlinger	1m 18.060   	Naspetti	1m 18.531    Wendlinger
23  Naspetti	1m 18.092   	Katayama	1m 18.592    Naspetti
24  Modena	1m 18.318   	Martini		1m 18.676    Modena
25  Fittipaldi	1m 18.615   	Fittipaldi	1m 18.823    Katayama
26  Katayama	 No time    	Modena		1m 19.314    Fittipaldi

[1] Hello Luis !

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: What is indy car about....
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:28:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Sep30.212853.29
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <45322@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM> msjohnso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Mark Johnson) writes:
>
>More information on Indy and fuels...
>
>Unless the action has been taken relatively recently (last 5-7 years)
>Indy car rules do NOT ban the use of gasoline. Any fuel is allowable;
>it's just that everybody in recent years has burned methanol because it's
>best suited for the engines they're using. CART may have changed this.
>
>During the 1940's and 1950's Cummins sponsored several Diesel powered 
>Indy cars; none were truly competitive but all were more-or-less successful,
>in that they were durable enough to be running at the finish. These vehicles
>were one of the reasons that mandatory pit stops were established. They 
>did well enough in fuel economy that the old 75 gallon tanks (pre-1974)
>would allow them to finish the race non-stop. Unfortunately, they were 
>heavy enough that they wore out tires instead. :-(.
>
	I seem to remember that the last one (one of the first indy
cars with a *really* laid-over motor) was extremely competitive,
took the pole, but left the field due to a non-engine related
problem (clutch?).

--Ken
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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Re: More Rumours from Portugal, about Williams, McLaren
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:07:27 GMT

From article <thos.717633232@suite.sw.oz.au>, by thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen):
> 
> After the GP telecast is finished, the local commentators at Channel 9
> in Australia give tidbits of gossip that they pick up. As one of them
> is Alan Jones ('80 WC in a Williams-Ford) they can often have some inside
> dope.
> 
> What I heard last night was this :
> 
> Monseiur Oujeh (sp?) of TAG bought the Ligier team and has given their
> supply of Renault engines to McLaren. If the Ligier team can come up
> with a new supply of engines then they can race on. So, Ron Dennis's
> boys now have power to equal the best.

James Hunt on the BBC openly disagreed with Murray Walker on the question
of engine power.  Hunt said that the Honda engine was more powerful.  He
agreed with MW that the WIlliams aerodynamics, active ride and 
gearbox were major contributors to Williams success.  Neither of
them mentioned any contributions by the drivers which I thought was
interesting.  Hunt went on to say that he did not think that Senna
would be best pleased driving a Big Mac with an engine (Renault) that
was down on power to what he drives now!

> What is Senna going to do now that McLaren have top-notch engines?
> It would make sense for him to re-sign, as his chances for a Williams
> seat (notwithstanding the above paragraph) are fairly slim.

> thos cohen  				       |Softway Pty Ltd

Ross Taylor

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From: afinlayson@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:19:28 GMT

In article <1a5o34INNmqe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, koslowj@math.ksu.edu (Juergen Koslowski) says:
> 
>>1. Mansell
>>2. Berger
>>3. Senna
>>4. Brundle
>>5. Hakkinen
>>6. Alboretto
>>7. Schumacher
>>
>>Patrese had a nasty accident when running into Berger's back as Berger
>>turned into the pits, around lap 40. But fortuantely Patrese walked away
> 
> Did Berger get affected?
> What happened to Alesi?

No, Berger was not affected (sic) as evidenced by his finishing position.
What appeared to happen was that Patrese (who had been right up Berger's
pipes after a 15 sec. tire stop) had been trying to get around Gerhard for 
rather too many laps.  Coming on to the front straight, R.P. pulled out to
G.B's left to pass just as G.B. lifted to head for the pits.  R.P's 
right front hit G.B's left rear and the Williams launched in spectacular
and *very* frightening fashion.  From the replay of the camera behind the 
incident, it looked as if R.P. was actually upside down in the air.  How
he ever landed right side up and walked away, albeit rather unsteadily,
is a bloody marvel.  As to what happened to Alesi, well, he was driving
a Ferrari...:-)  Cheers! Chris Finlayson
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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: New F1 Awareness
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:55:08 GMT


In article <lc4g3rINNr8n@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
|> Then again, if one goes by the way Nige has
|> behaved toward the fans this year, he may not have that much to learn.
|> It seems to be a matter of fashion to snub F1 fans.
|> 
|> Chris Prael

Rather an odd statement. I think Nigel Mansell, out of all F1 drivers, is
very accomodating and complimentary towards his fans, praising and
mentioning them at every opportunity - why do you think he's so popular!!

On another thread, has anybody heard anything about the Sauber teams
progress, I heard that they've been testing at some circuit in France but
haven't heard anything since. Also, how did they get the contact with
goodyear (one of 5 teams to get free tyres). Are Mercedes playing the
"behind the scenes" big brother??

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Some Fresh Air!
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:12:09 GMT

(note subject line)

Some events happening this coming weekend:
IndyCars/IndyLights - Nazareth (my son thought I was talking about the
'other' Nazereth and was really confused :-)
NASCAR - North Wilkesboro
IMSA GTP/GTL - Phoenix
SCCA TransAm - Sears Point
NHRA - Topeka

and a host of hundreds of other regional events at a racetrack near you.

NO F1!

And if you get an opportunity to tune in - this Saturday morning (check
your local listings) ESPN is reportedly getting around to broadcasting
the Bridgestone Supercar Series race from Portland International (which
took place last July).  I highly recommend it, but be sure not to miss
the start as the field comes into 'Festival', then pay attention to Hans
Stuck's charge (Porsche 911) for the remainder of the 30 minute race.

...just trying to fish for some new topics....

-cball-
From: cc971@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen  C. Fitch)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal
Date: 30 Sep 1992 08:33:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc971@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen  C. Fitch)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tiok_kl@tac.fi (Kari Leminen) says:

>-- 
>I assume Team Lotus has done some significant improvements to their
>powerline .

They could make even more impressive improvements if they
could get the latest series engines from Ford. The aeros are,
great give them the power and they'd be another Benetton.

Steve Fitch
From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Buick out of IndyCar?
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:21:29 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>daniel lance herrick writes:
>>Has a Buick with the extra boost ever finished an Indy 500?  I thought
>>the Buick engine was a qualifying engine; that the boost was guaranteed
>>to break the engine long before it completes 500 miles.

Chuck Fry writes:
>Sure it has!  Big Al Unser finished 3rd in one this year.  He actually
>led for a while during one of Michael A.'s pit stops... you should
>have heard the crowd roar.  Big Al did in fact play an important role
>in helping wear down Mikey so his son could win.

Actually, Big Al passed Michael for one lap during green flag conditions.
Michael was balked by slower cars going into 3 and Big Al came rocketing
up from behind at the exit of turn 4.  He was past Michael by the start/fin
line but was repassed on the backstretch.  I believe it was the only green
flag pass before Michael dropped out. (besides lap 1)

I remember it clearly:
Rob: "Who the HELL is THAT!?"
friend: "It's Unser!  It's Unser!  GO!!!!"  (friend is an Unser fan)
< thirty-five seconds later >
friend: "damn"

Rob U
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From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Lamborghini Phase B engines
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:30:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: yngvi.9209301430.AA09386
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 90992@netnews.upenn.edu, kroyce@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin
J Royce) writes:

> Next year's '93 engines, being run only in the Larrouse cars, will be
> smaller (front-to-back and top-to-bottom), more powerful, and lighter.
> Again, however, I can't give specifics, but look for Lamborghini to 
> be a force in 1994.

Speaking of smaller, the September 18 issue of /On Track/ has a photo
of the Ford V12, the caption of which asserts that it is "4 ins.
narrower, and 0.8 in. shorter than the current Series VII V-8."  No
information on height or weight.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
     Between 20 and 30 percent of the gross national product of the
     United States comes from high energy physics.
				- Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX)
From: kezerk@cc.tut.fi (M{k{r{inen Matti)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Question Finnish names
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:14:11 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland


From article <1992Sep29.143247.18514@informatik.uni-ulm.de>, by rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen):
> Does anybody know the full name of the F1 driver J.J. Lehto?
> And can anyone tell me how Mikka Hakkinen is spelled correctly?
> I mean, is the second letter of his last name really the
> ASCII char 'a', or is it the umlaut '"a' ?

   J.J.Lehto was originally Jyrki J{rvilehto (but J{rvilehto being a long
and hard to pronounce for foreigners got shortened to J-Lehto.)
 
   Mika H{kkinen is spelled with a umlaut ( ascii char { in scandinavian
screens)

     Masa
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From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: F1 Drivers
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:35:02 GMT

In article <97176@bu.edu> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:

>- Why did Senna have to go into the pits 3 times during the last laps of
>  the Estoril GP?

maybe he hit some of patrese's debris?

>- Why do ESPN commentators refer to Mansell as the "most popular F1 driver?"

because they think so?

>   There has been only one post about Senna after the Estoril GP.
>Are all the rest of you blind or what? The man is the best! 

[etc]

>   I was NEVER a big Senna fan, but the way things are (Piquet is out, Mansell
>is not in the same class as Senna, Prost etc (again IMHO)), who can be better
>than Senna?

we have not seen schumacher drive a McL or Willy yet, have we?

>   To those that answered with "Alain Prost", I can only say "we shall see."
>One thing we definitely do not need in ras is comments about used car
>salesmen in Rio etc...

well, proclaiming one's idea of who the best driver is and anyone who
disagrees is stupid/deaf/blind etc. doesn't quite cut it either.  not
that i object to it, simply that it is pointless.


eliot


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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Mansell to Newman Haas Confirmed!
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:37:49 GMT

In article <25SEP199214071054@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu 
(George M. Smiley) writes:
>So you consider Michael running into guard rails and breaking the front
>suspension a mechanical error and not a driver error ? 

No, if you're referring to Detroit.  It wasn't even a DNF.  Michael
somehow managed to finish that race on the lead lap, though TV coverage
never showed us how.

If you're referring to another incident, then I can't say.

Here's my rundown of Michael Andretti's mechanical DNF's:

Australia (exhaust system)
Long Beach (gearbox)
Indianapolis (fuel pressure)
Michigan (ignition)
Mid-Ohio (engine failure)


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