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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:31:45 CDT
From:         Pro Staff <ny0078@mail.nyser.net>
Subject:      Remote Circulation via Internet

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

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     Unless I'm imagining things, several months ago there was reference
on PACS-L to a pilot project that involved a library system/consortium
that was experimenting with sites accessing and using the circulation
programs on a remote system via a more local Internet mode; the idea
being that telecomm costs via Internet would be cheaper than leased data
lines. Libraries were actually to circulate materials using this connection,
not just access an OPAC.
     For a collection of case studies I'm compiling for a commercial
publisher, I'd like to contact those involved in this project. --Couldn't
think of search terms succinct enough to get good results searching the
archives, so need to pick brains instead. Please respond directly, even
if to tell me I must be hallucinating.

                      Jerry Kuntz, Automation Manager
      Finger Lakes Library System
      ny0078@mail.nyser.net
"Annoy French farmers. Buy Finger Lakes wines."
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:24:01 CDT
From:         Simon Edward Spero <ses@Think.COM>
Subject:      Re: WAIS and Copyright

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In article <721506717.0.LAWS@AI.SRI.COM> Ken Laws <LAWS@ai.sri.com> writes:

   Copyright is less problematic if I allow WAIS to distribute
   only whole newsletters.  Even then, do I need to add a special
   notice barring republication and commercial use?  That would
   seem to be a contract of adhesion, although it could be stated
   as full copyright protection minus a few rights that I choose
   to give up.  I can at least make my intent clear.  I'd rather
   just have leave the standard copyright notice in place, but
   it seems silly to say that no one can copy the material that
   I'm putting on a WAIS server for free distribution.


This problem is solved in the 1992 version of the protocol, as you send a
copyright notice as a resource control message. In WAIS, you can put
copyright restrictions in the source file; this may or may not be sufficient
for your needs.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:43:10 CDT
From:         "David Mattison" <dmattiso@cue.bc.ca>
Subject:      Victoria Free-Net now open

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Nov. 18, 1992

The Victoria Free-Net was officially opened on November 16 by Dr. Tom
Grundner, founder of the Cleveland Free-Net and originator of the Free-Net
concept.

We currently have only one modem/phone line and our Internet connection is at
9600 bps.

To access us via the Internet, telnet to freenet.victoria.bc.ca OR
134.87.16.100. Login: guest OR visitor. No password required.

Registration procedures for full privileges are not yet in place.

David Mattison, Secretary
Victoria Free-Net Association
c/o Vancouver Island Advanced Technology Centre
203 - 1110 Government St., Victoria, BC V8W 1Y2
Phone: 384-2450 (VIATC) or 387-3401 (BC Archives & Records Service)
Fax: 384-8634 (VIATC) or 387-2072 (BC Archives & Records Service)
Internet: vifa@cue.bc.ca (business)
Internet: dmattiso@cue.bc.ca (personal)
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:15:55 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Lurkers

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From:         David Ives <ELDJIVES@MIZZOU1>
Subject:      Re: Lurkers vs. Wallflowers
"Wallflowers", "Lurkers", "Observers", etc. etc. etc.  -  who really
cares and does it *really* matter?  Those who do not actively
participate could as easily cast out, "Jerks", "Loud-Mouths", "Boring",
etc. etc. etc. to the folks who do participate.

I'm just glad that there are lots of people out there "participating" -
even those who do NOT send mail *are* participating as important parts
of the PACS-L universe.  A writer becomes known because of the readers,
not because of other writers.
-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
David J. Ives
Microcomputer Systems Group
U. of Missouri -- MU Libraries
ELDJIVES@MIZZOU1 or ELDJIVES@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU
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From:         Mark Ritchie <AVFILM@watdcs.UWaterloo.ca>
Subject:      Another lurker alternative
I suggest that the term Monitor be used, one of its definitions is "to
view or listen for a specific purpose, as for determination of quality,
analysis, etc." "to observe critically, oversee..."

There are, of course, the images of school hall monitors, and the screens
you are reading this on, and the family of large lizards (Varanidae) but
I don't think these are necessarily negative.  The term can also mean a
large nozzle which permits a stream of water to be played in any desired
direction, which we probably could extend to include our more voluable
adherants.


Mark Ritchie                      | Tel: (519) 888-4070
Media Librarian                   | Fax: (519) 888-6197
Audio-Visual Centre               |
University of Waterloo            | Ca*net: avfilm@watdcs.Uwaterloo.ca

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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:26:44 CDT
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Subject:      Caste and MLS

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From: Avi Rappoport <nilesinc@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: Re: More on MLS and Caste

I worked at Carlyle Systems when I got out of library school, and found
that generalizations about people without formal library training didn't
work.  One of my best friends there had no training and understood
the issues beautifully (she's now working at a large university library).
Most of the CS-types were mildly bemused by the concerns of librarians
and some were totally at sea.

I remember explaining authority control to one programmer approximately
once a week.  The programmer who was implementing the authority control
module.  She wasn't a bad person or a bad programmer, but she didn't
"get" authority control.

So I wouldn't require an MLS/MLIS for a systems position, but I would
require an understanding of the issues.  A degree is a good way of
demonstrating such an understanding, but certainly should not be the only
way to do so.

Avi
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From:      Sharon Ahlers <SEAHLERS@SUVM>
Subject:   Caste and MLS
Now that I more clearly understand the distinction being made by Kendall Simmon
s and several other people, I agree: having the MLS doesn't guarantee that one
is a professional, and being a professional (as a librarian) doesn't necessari-
ly require the MLS.

One point being implicitly raised here, I think, is that becoming a profession-
al librarian usually involves a combination of academic work and experience.
If librarians are a "guild," it's a guild with an apprenticeship, comparable
perhaps to the old practice of "reading law" or to the current practice of
MD internships.--Sharon Ahlers, seahlers@suvm.bitnet, @suvm.acs.syr.edu
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:23:11 CDT
From:         Simon Edward Spero <ses@Think.COM>
Subject:      Re: CWIS directory

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
   As a resident lurker who actually _likes_ that term (at least
compared to wall flower!) I'd like to ask a quick information question.

>   ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>   the CWIS List by Judy
>   Hallman, available at bbs.oit.unc.edu:pub/docs/cwis-l).
>   ***************

Hey good lurking-

The document you're looking for is

ftp:sunsite.unc.edu//pub/docs/about-the-net/cwis/cwis-l

We're going to be re-organising the archive in the next few weeks, but at least
the hostname will remain the same.

Simon

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From: KESSELMAN@ZODIAC.BITNET (Marty Kesselman)
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Subject: AUTHORIZATION OF USERS RE: CD-ROM and NETWORKED RESOURCES
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:58:22 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
As a state-assisted public university, the doors of our libraries are
open to the general public.  We have also had the unfortunate case of
several local colleges sending their students to use our CD-ROMs and
this has often led to long queues, manytimes with Rutgers users waiting
to get onto the CD-ROM network, while non-Rutgers users are using the
equipment.  We have tried signage and sign-up sheets and sometimes
actual policing, in order to give Rutgers users priority use.  More
often than not these techniques have proven unsuccessful.

Also, to throw into the mix is the fact that many of our contracts with
the CD-ROM services (and as we add databases to our campus network this
may also be the case) stipulate that the service is only for our primary
clientele.

I'm curious, has any other library come up with a solution to the above?
We'd especially be interested in any automated methods that check for
user status rather than having to have to involve additional staff.
Thanks in advance for any help or words of advice!

-- Marty Kesselman



Marty Kesselman
Head of Reference and Instructional Services
Rutgers University Library of Science and Medicine
P.O. Box 1029
Piscataway, New Jersey 08855

908-932-3850 office
908-932-3208 fax
908-247-5662 home
kesselman@zodiac.rutgers.edu
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Subject: Library Automation Questions
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:18:47 GMT
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3 Messages, 57 Lines
1. Support on site product
2. Mac programs for network access
3. TSR computer assisted programs
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From: Sanjay_Chadha@library.tmc.edu
Subject: Support on Site...
Does anyone on this list (or elsewhere) have a subscription to Support
On Site, a CD-ROM database product that provides product support for a
multitude of software?  It seems like a neat product, and I am
interested in what users think of it.

Sanjay R. Chadha
sanjayc@library.tmc.edu
HAM-TMC Library, Houston
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From: Hae-young Rieh Hwang <hwang@eff.org>
Subject: Macintosh Program for Network Access of Library Database
Please respond directly to me for this question.

We have been using FileMaker Pro for our library database, which is shared
by 18 staff members in 2 locations.  The collections are mostly journal
articles, conference papers, research reports, brochures, technical
reports, etc.  Currently we have about 2,500 records entered and about
20-30 records are added every week.

Problem with FileMaker Pro is that it is very slow in network, and is not
very flexible in searching and editing records.  Also, with frequent crash
of my computer (unknown reason) - everytime after crash, I have to import
the whole database to a clone of the database, which takes over 2 hours - I
hope to find a program which is easy to restore or rebuilt, if possible.

Without spending fortune, do you know any Macintosh program that works fast
through network and suitable for this kind of library collection and
environment.  We also have Unix based workstations to be used as server, if
it has to be solution.  Any response would be appreciated.

Hae-young Hwang
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From:        CZD2000 <CZD2@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: TSR COMPUTER ASSISTED PROGRAMS FOR CD_ROMS
Has anyone created memory resident programs to help users
with cd-roms? If so, are they available for sale or
distribution? Are the programs for specific indexes or do they
simply teach basic concepts?
Many thanks,

Marcos Silva
Computer Services Librarian
McGill Univ.
CZD2@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: Ibironke.O.Lawal@Dartmouth.EDU
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Subject: Research in Progress
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:59:31 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Does any one know of any institution that has electronic database of
'Researches in Progress of Faculty and Researchers?. I will like to know the
following:
        1. what subjects are covered;
        2.      how did you collect data for the
database;
        3.      do you find it very useful and on what occassions;
        4.      do you have the support of the faculty;
        5.      what kind of support did you get while collecting data;
        6.      are any of these databases available on the Internet?

You  can reply directly to me or to the list.
Listowner, please summarise responses for the list.
Thank you
Ronke Lawal
Kresge Physical Sciences Library
Dartmouth college
ronke.lawal@dartmouth.edu
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:10:02 CDT
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Subject:      Clinton Information using FTP

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From: cares@info.umd.edu (Lionel Cares)
Subject: Re:  FTP site for Clinton Technology Plan
I think you might be able to find it at ftp nptn.org. first type ftp and then
after prompt comes up type open nptn.org. Look in pub/campaign.92/clinton.dir
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From: sharp@mizar.usc.edu (Malcolm Sharp)
Subject: Re: FTP site for Clinton Technology Plan
In article <22111112112578@vms3.macc.wisc.edu> Robert Bocher
 <RBOCHER@macc.wisc.edu> writes:
>The Clinton campaign issued a document entitled "Technology: The
>Engine of Economic Growth" in late Sept.  Does anyone have an FTP site
>where this can be found?

The anon ftp site nptn.org has clinton policy positions in the
directory pub/campaign.92/clinton.dir.  The index is in
pub/campaign.92.  I believe the 9/92 tech. policy is either file
c138.txt or c125.txt.

Malcolm Sharp, USC
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:21:12 CDT
From:         Bernard Lang <Bernard.Lang@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: Caste and MLS

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Question 1:
  When was the MLS created?

Question 2:
  Was there any trustworthy librarian before then?

  I do not know about English, but in French the word "corporatisme"
has a rather negative connotation.
  What is mostly justifiable for physicians (when the lives of people
may be at stake), and for some lawyers (same reason), is much less so
for most professions. And even then, I would not leave it to the
professionals alone to decide what the profession should be, and who is
a professional. Inbreeding is seldom a source of progress.
  A degree defines a standard, but all it states is that the holder
seemed to meet that standard at one point in his life. It does not say
whether this individual still meets it, or whether any other ever met
it or failed to meet it.

Bernard Lang

P.S. no personnal stake in the discussion
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:31:19 CDT
From:         "Ernest Perez,
              Oregon State Library" <opac!perez%OPAC.osl.or.gov@CS.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      TSR COMPUTER ASSISTED PROGRAMS FOR CD_ROMS

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Marcos Silva (CZD2@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA) asks:
>Has anyone created memory resident programs to help users
>with cd-roms? If so, are they available for sale or
>distribution? Are the programs for specific indexes or do they
>simply teach basic concepts?
>

Marcos,

Try using HYPERREZ runtime hypertext to develop your own TSR online help
files for use with CD-ROMs. This package is the license-free runtime
program for Peter Scott's HYTELNET for MS-DOS. It runs in about 50 or 70K
of TSR space, I don't have a copy at the moment to check out exact space
requirement. It runs compatibly with all kinds of software that I've tried
it with. (One reason why HYTELNET has been so successful) HyperRez also has
user-definable hot-key and screen colors.

You can custom-design whatever sequence of help screens you wish, with as
many hypertext links as you wish. All you need is an ASCII editor to create
text screens, and a few runtime program and config files.

Believe there's a shareware or demo version of HyperRez on Gord Nickerson's
LIBSOFT ftp library. Differs from the full package in not having the system
construction utilities. When you get up above 50 or so screens, things can
start getting pretty complicated.

HyperRez itself is license-free runtime for unlimited use or free
distribution. The full construction kit is $79, from Neil Larson at
MaxThink, Inc. (510-540-5508).

cheers,
-ernest

ernest perez ** perez@osl.or.gov ** 503-378-4502
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:24:17 CDT
From:         Hank Harken <IADHRH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ERIC

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From: Hank Harken

Thomas Keays writes:

>In article <9211102351.AA17379@nowalls.ucsd.edu.UCSD.EDU>

> "(George Janczyn)" <janczyn%nowalls.ucsd.edu@Sdsc.BITnet> writes:

>> In keeping with the spirit of the recent query about getting access to
ERIC:
>> Does anyone know how I can get free access to DIALOG? I promise not to tell
>> anyone.

Thomas, I think George left a smiley :-) out of his message. He was being
facetious and making a point.

- Hank

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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:12:17 CDT
From:         Belinda <BBARR@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ERIC

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Do you know who would pay the $3/hour for DIALOG connection through
Telnet?  Would it come as part of the billing or if we used the VAX
would the charge go to ACS???

We could try it out to see what the interface looks like & how it works.
I'm sure Peter could create some masked scripts for use during the workshop.
We'd also need to restrict access to searching hours which would leave
us less flexibiliy.

We would definitely need to make sure the passwords etc were VERY SECURE.

Sure would save us some $$$

A couple things about the way we do it now: students get the experience
of a communications software interface, printing is easier (could we
continuously print using the VAX? - not that I know of), can print & do a
session dump at the same time, "feels" like we have more control of use.

Let's talk about it.
Phone: +33140101775
Fax-Phone: +33140101764
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:43:26 CDT
From:         jbcondat@attmail.com
Subject:      Computer Viruses in Library Softwares

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Colleagues:

I have had recently some computer viruses on my library software. Could you
please indicate to me how to delete these viruses? Have someone have the
same experience?

Jean-Bernard Condat
CCCF, B.P. 8005, 69351 Lyon Cedex 08, France
InterNet: jbcondat@attmail.com
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:45:23 CDT
From:         Jama Chorush <Jama_Chorush@mindlink.bc.ca>
Subject:      engineering databases

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks. JIll

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
     I have a friend who is a doctoral student in engineering at
Oxford.  He e-mailed me yesterday to ask about two engineering
databases, INSP and ENGI.  Does anyone know how he could gain
access to these two databases?
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:44:24 CDT
From:         Justine Roberts <JROBERTS@UCSFVM.BITNET>
Subject:      capturing a telnet session

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Has anyone figured out how to capture a telnet session originating at an
IBM VM (CMS) system? That is, getting the session into a PC file, or
into a mainframe file? Special software, mainframe or PC?  I'll be
grateful for any account of successful experience OR for tutoring on
why it's NOT possible. - Thanks.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:33:15 CDT
From:         Phyllis Wright <pwright@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
Subject:      ADONIS

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Has anyone had any experience using ADONIS as anything other than
a document supply system?  I understand that one must purchase
the ADONIS system and use in in-house in order to retrieve document
(that is documents) from the system?  Does it have any other uses?
I would like to hear from anyone currently using ADONIS.

Many thanks
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