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From: ph3@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Hamilton (phys 306))
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:58:43 GMT

In <1992Jul25.172053.24591@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:

>I just rewatched STVI:TUC on home video and was able to analyze certain things
>a little better in my home that I was unable to do at the theater. Maybe some
>of you can answer them:

>1) First of all Chronos One is a ship, but I think you guys are right about
>Chronos also being the planet. However, it was to be abandoned so by the time
>of ST:TNG it probably isn't the planet any longer.

>2) When the mention of Romulan Ale being illegal pops up Kirk says they are
>1000 light-years from Starfleet HQ. How long is this movie (their perspective)
>anyway? Even at Warp 10 it would take a full year to get 1000 ly and I doubt
>they were going that fast!

This happens a lot. I think that warp 10 != 10*c.

>3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
>Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
>momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.

Light has a bit of momentum. Not much, but a bit.

>4) When playing the detective Spock mentioned that an ancestor of his or
>something to that extent once said something along the lines of, "When that
>which is impossible is eliminated, that which remains, however improbable,
>must be the truth". If I am not mistaken it was Sherlock Holmes (fictional?)
>who is given credit for this quote.

Yep, it's Sherlock. There are a lot of "lifts" in this film: Shakespearian, 
the Holmes one, and the Peter Pan ending. The most interesting one, I think
is during the show trial of Kirk when Chang shouts "Don't wait for the
translation! Answer the question!" This is a quote of a United States
ambassador to the United Nations. During the Cuban missle crisis, the US
ambassador asked the USSR representative to confirm or deny the existance of
nukes on cuban soil. When the USSR ambassador paused, the American made the
aforementioned quote. I'm sure there are lots more that I've missed.
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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:41:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

>>>Bev Crusher is the only looker on this list.

>Bev does look good but, I like Troi better!!!! O'brien, One to beam up!!

>>the best looking woman on TNG was minuet.
> I have to agree 300%, she looks good!!!!!!!

That certainly seems to be what the producers of the show want you to
think.  For me, the most striking woman is Michelle Phillips from
"We'll Always Have Paris."  She is even better looking now than
in her "Mamas and the Papas" days 20+ years ago.


-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy ~)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Question about season finale
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:25:00 GMT
Organization: Architecture & Software Technology Group, Intel, Santa Clara CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rjc@onion.princeton.edu (Raymond Chen) writes:
> SPOILERS

> So is that really Tasha?  I don't get it.

That's because it was really...

Jack London.

--
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From: mblum@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cerebus)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: TUC
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:36:34 GMT

jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan C Comer) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.134740.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.
>edu writes:
>>Spock's reference to his relative (Sherlock Holmes) is "apocryphal".
>>It's from one of the novels, I can't remember the title, but it came
>>right out and said that Amanda Grayson was descended from  Sherlock
>>Holmes.  The novel was a kind of peculiar mix of Star Trek and Here
>>Come the Brides, silly, but fun.  A time travel piece.  I'm sure that's
>>where the reference came from.
>>Kellie Matthews-Simmons
>>Internet:  Matthews_K@CUBLDR.colorado.edu

>I believe the novel referred to is _Ishmael_.  However, I don't recall any 
>reference to Sherlock Holmes in it (but that was a long time ago and I'm 
>already having trouble remembering the contents of TNG episodes when given only

Yes, the book was _Ishmael_.  But it never even mentioned Sherlock
Holmes.  What it did say, and I think this is what's causing the above
confusion, is that Aaron Stemple, one of the characters in the book,
is an ancestor of Amanda Grayson.  It did this by, at the end, saying
that Spock's mother's name (from his personnel file) is Amanda Stemple
Grayson, and the reader is left to make the obvious inference.
Frankly, there just haven't been that many references to Sherlock
Holmes in Star Trek.  The only obvious one (apart from Spock's quote)
is, of course, "Elementary, My Dear Data" (or did they leave out the
"my" in the title?--making it closer to an actual Holmes quote).
That's the only one I can think of, though there may have been others
that I can't recall.

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From: ckchee@dgp.toronto.edu (Chuan Chee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST VI:TUC -- why the Romulan?
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:46:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

In article <1992Jul29.183702.2719@colorado.edu> pinkney@spot.Colorado.EDU (PINKNEY PAUL CHRISTIAN) writes:
>My brother and I are confused.  Just why the h*ll was that Romulan
>ambassador in ST VI?  I thought the Federation and the Romulans were
>at war.  His presence in the movie doesn't seem to make any sense.

I don't think the Federation and Romulans were at war.  It would be
like the US and USSR where they always stood ready for war but weren't
actually fighting.  Both countries had ambassador in each other's country.

>Also, did anyone see the adds for ST VI before it came out?  It showed
>Kirk being killed on (...oh, you know, that prison moon whose name
>escapes me...), but that seen didn't appear in the movie.  Oh, yes, his
>double got phasered, but the teaser seen on TV wasn't the same.  Hmmm...was
>Kirk supposed to get killed in VI as rumored...?

The TV ad showed someone who looked a lot like Kirk getting phasered.
Any assumptions made by the TV audience is their own assumption.  There
was no explicit announcement made to say that the person was Kirk.
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From: jweiss@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Nicole Kristin Devin)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:30:44 GMT

cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:
: I just rewatched STVI:TUC on home video and was able to analyze certain things
: a little better in my home that I was unable to do at the theater. Maybe some
: of you can answer them:

I did notice things I hadn't noticed also.  The main thing being after
Scotty shot the Klingon assasin at the end, I don't remember them peeling
off a mask and finding it was someone from the Federation.

: 1) First of all Chronos One is a ship, but I think you guys are right about
: Chronos also being the planet. However, it was to be abandoned so by the time
: of ST:TNG it probably isn't the planet any longer.

I remember them saying something about "preparations for evacution of
Kronos" in the movie as well.

: 3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
: Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
: momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.

I'm sure someone has a scientific answer for this, but it seemed to make
sense to me.  Anything that could cause that much damage to a physical
object must exert enough force to be able to move it.  Either that or it
could have been the JETS of blood squirting out.  :-)

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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: WHO'S HOTTER???
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:46:30 GMT

In article <Brtv4F.Hx2@watserv1.waterloo.edu> schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.222339.2528@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>>In article <92203.164222SXT115@psuvm.psu.edu>, SXT115@psuvm writes:
>>>    4. The Betazoid guy who was a negotiator for a wormhole... I think
>>>       it was the episode called "Who Counsels the Counselor?"
>>
>>Wasn't that "Yesterday's Betazed"?
>>
>>-- 
>>Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu
>
>You're both wrong. It's "The Price".
>
>The guy was half betazoid and half human. Or was it a quarter betazoid?
>
>Anyway I'm positive about the title of the episode...
>
>-- 
>Sylvain Chamberland     |   "Trust is earned, not given away!"
>University of Waterloo  |          - Worf, Star Trek The Next Generation
>Waterloo, Ontario.      |


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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:09:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <0eRd_Dy00UhW01K_AA@andrew.cmu.edu> Bryan Michael Kearney <bk1a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Now, if I am correct, does not Troi hold equal rank with that of Data? I
>dont know where the doctor fits in, but at least Troi is a senior
>Officer (assuming that Data is, and assuming that data is a man).

Should this be a FAQ?  It gets asked at least once or twice a month.
How about adding it to the FAQ list?

-- 
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From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:33:11 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

>>>In article <7123569413051@neptune.mcs.anl.gov>, deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov 
>>>(Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer) writes...
>> 
>>>>For one thing, I think the new First Officer should be a woman.  All of
>>>>the senior officers in *Command* are male:  Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, and
>>>>Worf.  The only 2 female bridge officers are a counselor and a doctor:  both
>>>>are in "caring" roles.  Don't get me wrong; I think that Dr. Crusher and Troi
>>>>are fine characters, but I would like to see a woman in a command role.  
>>>>After
>>>>all, this is the 24th century; with all their talk about equality, don't you
>>>>think the bridge crew should reflect those values?

Ok, having a woman as a high ranking member of the bridge crew is
fine - BUT NOT SHELBY!!
  OK, she is very bright, and had loads of good ideas about beating
the Borg, but as Riker puts it "she needs supervision".  She certainly 
didn't know how to respond to Riker, and spent most of her time
ignoring his orders (even though they were technically the same
rank, Riker would outrank her as First Officer of the Enterprise).
Plus she is annoying, and always confrontational, and I was glad
to see the back of her after BOBW II.
  Having Shelby as the new first officer would create a negative
image of high ranking women in Starfleet, and they could do much
better than her.
  Yeah, bring back Tasha Yar - she'd make a great first officer,
and certainly wouldn't be seen as being in a "caring role".
  Let me see .... after Khittimer, the Romulans cloned off a
copy of her that isn't affected by aging ....     :-) 


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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: klingon home world na
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:05:17 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>But this isn't really relevant since, 1) The homeworld in Star Trek VI is
>called "Kronos", and 2) Star Trek VI makes it clear that Kronos will be
>evacuated in the coming decades (to Kling, one would expect).

It was not made specific enough IMHO in STVI that the Klingon homeworld
was Kronos, except that some Klingon planet named Kronos would be
affected.  Sulu said "Praxis is their key energy production facility..."
which probably means that Kronos will be affected.  It was never stated
that the Klingon Homeworld Kronos will be affected and have to be
evacuated.


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From: gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Replacing Picard, Data, & Worf
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:22:39 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <14703@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> OK, a topic for a new thread...
> 
> What would the series be like if these characters were to depart?
> Who would be brought on board as new officers?  How would plots,
> relationships, the command structure of the Enterprise be affected
> by a re-shuffled cast?
> 
> Think about it.  Picard, Data, and Worf gone.  O'Brien and family 
> already departing.  Who does that leave?  Captain Riker, obviously,
> but what other regulars are left?  LaForge.  Beverly Crusher.  Troi.
> Maybe Ro Laren.  Maybe even Wesley.  Is it just me, or does this cast
> need something new added?  What should that something be?

Maybe we could get Commander Shelby back as first officer!  That leaves the
post of second-in-command/ops officer open.  Geordi could be moved up; up I
kind of like him as Chief Engineer...  For security chief, there are a lot of
ideas in the books (i know - not cannon) about races to pull a security chief
from.
 
> Of course, it might not be all bad to focus on these remaining
> characters -- after all, they're the more un-explored ones on the
> Big E.  So how would you handle it?  Would you bring in new characters,
> or tighten the focus on the remaining ones?  How would you handle
> the change-overs?
> 
> Yeah, I know it's a year away, but it's worth speculating about...
> 
About the only thing I wouldn't do is kill anyone off.  It would be more
interesting to have the characters available for guest shots; and more
realistic to here about them continuing their careers elsewhere.

Anyways, that's my $.02 worth...  
-- 
Gabor Brach.        "We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill
Victoria, B. C.      We come in peace, shoot to kill, men."
(Lotus-land)                     _Star Trekking_
                                    The Firm
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: More STTNG Actor Roles
Keywords: Patrick Stewart
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:49:27 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul23.163309.12195@ee.ryerson.ca> lfernand@ee.ryerson.ca (luis fernandes) writes:
>Patrick Stewart appeared as Karla (head of Moscow Center) in
>_Smiley's_People_:  the TV adaptation (shown either on Mystery! or MasterFarce
>Theater) of Le Carre's novel.

And unless I'm mistaken, he played the same role in the earlier adaptation
of "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy."  Memory may fail me, but I think he even
had a beard at the time.
From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:18:21 GMT

In article <edjans01.712259915@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> edjans01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Jansing) writes:
>In <1992Jul25.172053.24591@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:
>
>
>>3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
>>Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
>>momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.
>
>The pressure that is inherent in the blood stream could have propelled the
>Klingon bodies backward in a kind of knock-back effect.  Remember, the blood
>is under pressure from the main pump, the heart.
>

I shoot you with a dose of energy which causes a steam explosion at its
impact point with your body; you will be thrown back.  The bits that were in
the holes of the bodies had to go somewhere, right.

>>4) When playing the detective Spock mentioned that an ancestor of his or
>>something to that extent once said something along the lines of, "When that
>>which is impossible is eliminated, that which remains, however improbable,
>>must be the truth". If I am not mistaken it was Sherlock Holmes (fictional?)
>>who is given credit for this quote.
>
>True.  Spock is half human.  No doubt an attempt to become more at peace with
>his human side.
>

Somewhere, an allusion was made to the fact that Spock was related to Sir
Arthur Conan Doyle.

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From: erik@askinc.ASK.COM (Erik Johnson - MIS)
Subject: Re: President of Federation in TUC
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:17:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.040050.4871@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
|> 
|> Did anyone notice that the President of the Federation in
|> STVI (the dude with the long white beard) looked a LOT like
|> one of people in the control room in STIV?
|> 
|> Any idea what race he might be?
|> 
|> 

BONUS QUESTION:

For 10 points, name the role the actor played in another science 
fiction movie (a sleeper) about a cyborg.....




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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: The Picard Family's Accent (was Sirtis's English accent)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:30:52 GMT

In article <Brqn4B.G0w@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek) writes:

>if i remember correctly, in "family", his family had english accents as well.
>i remember thinking, "doesn't ANYONE in france have a french accent any 
>more???" :)


During the 21st century, the British invaded (and conquered) France by
way of the two "Chunnels" that had been built by that time.  Therefore, 
even though the people of the area that was called "France" still use
"French" names, they all speak with British accents.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: <None>
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:23:23 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Data certaintly looked very mellow the next day - for a machine.


Sorry, the above was in response to item 9727.....still learning how
to use this net.
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek heaven
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:26:27 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Jul30.162135.23690@walter.bellcore.com>, 
kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:

> Ha!  You folks don't know what Star Trek heaven is!  Here in NJ, I
> get both the Philly and NYC TV markets through cable.  How about these 
> stats:
> 
> 	WTXF 29 Philly	WPIX 11 NY**	Daily totals
> Mon.     1 TNG, 1 TOS	  1 TNG		     3
> Tues.    1 TNG, 1 TOS   1 TNG		     3
> Wed.     1 TNG, 1 TOS   1 TNG		     3
> Thrus.   1 TNG, 1 TOS   1 TNG		     3
> Fri.     1 TNG, 1 TOS   1 TNG		     3
> Sat.	   1 TNG*, 1 TOA  1 TNG*	     2
> Sun.	   0  		  1 TOS		     1

Kevin, you're missing some...TNG reruns are shown at 5:00PM AND 12:30AM
every week day in Philly.  (Oh, but maybe one of those times shows the
same episodes as WPIX in New Jersey) and Sundays at noon the Saturday night
TNG is reshown (or weren't you counting rebroadcasts in the same week?)

> That comes to a whopping grand total of 18 ST (good spread too: 11 TNG, 
> 7 TOS) episodes per week, usually more than one per day at different 
> times as well.

Well, if you count the same show in the same week (gives you more chances to
catch it!) it pushes the total up to 24 ST slots a week in New Jersey!

Greg Bole                               "When you wake up, wipe the slugs off
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             your face.  Be ready for a new day!"
                                        Keanu Reeves in _My Own Private Idaho_
From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Federation President
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:37:22 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Okay, here goes... this is the first time I've tried to post anything
so if I mess up, sorry folks.  I haven't had time to learn much about
the editor I'm using so it may be a mess.

Someone asked what species/race the Federation President is.  I know this
is from a "non-canonical" source (no flames, please!) but the white-
haired, blue-eyed, dark-skinned aliens shown in ST:TFS may be called
"Efrosians."  I think I read this in a guide to Aliens of the Federation.
I've been warned that posting non-canonical sources is a no-no, but
I try to keep an open mind about the Star Trek Universe.  I don't think
the Fed Prez is supposed to be Deltan, though I do remember in the 
novelization of _The_Wrath_Of_Khan_ that Deltan _males_ have hair, it's
just the females that don't.

Aagh... another non-canon source.  So sue me.

No fancy signature line,
just....
Kellie M-S