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This is a semi-regular plug for the landuse mailing list.   If you are
concerned about keeping your riding areas open, are willing to do something 
about it, and have email access, read on. 

The purpose of the landuse mailing list is to discuss land use issues
related to motorcycles and OHVs.  By using the mailing list we can gain 
the support of other OHV users in land use decisions. The mailing list 
can quickly reach a wider audience than any one bbs or notes group. 

Mailing list members may be asked to lend their support to various
causes.  This support will most often be a few minutes spent in mailing 
or faxing a response to a land manager or elected official.  We gain 
strength in numbers.  

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These addresses are for Internet access.  Patrick Martin has been 
gracious enough to volunteer to forward messages to the Sahara club
bbs.  In return, Patrick will also send us mail of interest from the Sahara
club bbs. 

I hope to see you on the list. 

-Jeff Deeney-   Fort Collins, Colorado 
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com   AMA COHVCO NCTR
We don't stop riding because we get old, 
we get old because we stop riding.
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From: masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys)
Subject: Re: CR250 vs. XR250
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:40:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.193449.17388@rtsg.mot.com> dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne) writes:
>
>     I want to know
>    however, do any of you get that dreaded Honda headshake that still
>    exists today (according to the magazines)? 
>    Do XRs get it like CRs?
>
One of our local riding places has a headshake alley, where my (dearly
departed) Yamaha dual sport used to go crazy with side-to-side fork
oscillations.  The XRs never even wiggle, they just take it like they're
on rails.  Guess this is another thing to "look forward" to on the CR.

Dan Masys
masys@nlm.nih.gov
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: POWER BANDS
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:26:42 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: dvinci.usask.ca

baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:

>DoD #359                    '91  CR250 |         Mike Baxter   
>AMA #607249                      #P61  |              
>TCCRA  #P61  "Team D."                 |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
>Pro Class	                       |
 ^^^^^^^^^

Good to see you finally got off the fence, big guy... 

[Remind me not to go riding with him... yeesh, I like life to much to ride 
with PROS...:) ]

Take 'er easy!

Dave

PS:  Where the hell is George?

D.
-- 
David Donald - donald@dvinci.usask.ca	| "Get rich quick, or poor slowly."
Communications Systems Research Group	|		- R. J. Bolton, Ph.D. 
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada.	| (Who, incidentally, also spent some 
"The Great White North" (tm)		| time in the land of Oz...Coincidence?)
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: little 'ole me
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:48:56 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <1992Dec13.044443.12719@spdc.ti.com>, baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:
> Framp, Andy and I went riding a while back at the local practice spot.  While
> we were there a couple of guys showed up with a '90 CR500.  They tried and 
> tried and tried to start the beast, but couldn't.  I offered my 120lbs of 
> assistance.  They let me try.  I was able to get it started after laying it 

  Heaven forbid that thing would have kicked you back.  Andy and I would
  have had to drive 30 miles to Terell to pick you up. :-)

> over till gas overflowed from the float bowl and kicking it thru slowly
> between big kicks.  It felt good to start that pig, seeing as I'm a light 
> weight and I am short also.  

  What I remember is when the guy pulled up to us aside the track for a
  chat (wearing street clothes).  I couldn't help but tell the horror
  stories and show the scars from my open bike days. Think I scared him?

  During a short chat with Andy on the phone this weekend.  We were hoping
  that you might gain 180lbs while you were taking a break and working on
  the scoot.  We thought then we might be able to outrun you.... but then
  we thought again?.?.?   :-)

Framp  
From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:03:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Carb Jets, Needles, and Floats
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

Thanks for the carb info, Tim!

A note on float levels:  My Ford auto recently failed a Cal. smog test for
high hydrocarbon emissions.  The smog mechanic, a friend, fixed it on the 
spot by pulling the carb bowl cover, bending the float tang to lower the 
gas level by 1/8 inch, and nothing else.  The car passed easily on re-test,
now having less than 25% the max allowable HC's.  This Ford has a variable
venturi carb, very much like our MC slide carbs.  So the smog meter showed
a huge change WRT float level, although I couldn't feel any change driving
or see any change in plug color.

In our MC carbs, when not running there is a distance between the gas level
in the needle tube and the outlet orifice in the carb throat, determined by
float level.  When running, gas fills this gap by the lower venturi pressure
in the carb.  That little, cylindrical bit of gas has a weight that opposes
being pulled into the carb.  So, I think, make that cylinder of gas shorter
and less weight will oppose gas flow into the carb, enrichening the mixture
. . . right . . .??

-- Mike
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: CR500 and recreational riding -
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:31:28 CDT
Distribution: world       
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <BzBtED.I50@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, ames@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Wes Ames) writes:
> 
> I have been looking for a good general purpose bike, that	     
> has more go than my XR200.  I was looking for a late model
> KDX250 or RMX250, but a buddy is suggesting a CR500.  Now
> my riding is about 40% Hillclimbing, 40% woods, and 20% back
> roads (logging roads take you far in the Northwest!).  
> 
> I had thought the CR500 was WAY more power than I needed,
> but he is trying to convince me otherwise.  I wonder what 
> the consensus is regarding '88 - '90 CR500's for this type
> of riding.......   Should I consider this, or keep looking 
> at the 250's...........?  Are they too pipey, or is the
> powerband Ok in the woods??  I think the hillclimb stuff
> would work out great, but I'd like to hear about the other
> stuff - any ideas??

  I'd only consider an open bike if you've had reasonable
  (1-2 years) late riding experience. If not, your experience
  may include a few trips to the emergency room.  But I don't
  think riding experience is a problem for you.  I just want to 
  mention this for newcomers to the sport that might be inclined
  to bite off more than they can chew.

  Big scoots sure make riding easy, but for your own personal
  clicks I suggest you saddle one up before you go lay down
  your hard earned $$$$.  Open bikes require less maintenance
  which is a big plus.  A big minus is when you fall with them.
  Everytime I would try to jettisen the KX, it wanted to stay
  right with me.  Usually to dine on generous portions of human
  flesh with sharp edges or a tire spinning wide open since the
  throttle is pinned in the dirt.  Gawd, I wish I had another one.

  IMHO they are a little too easy to launch. You'll usually end up
  jumping about twice as far as you intended. :-)

  If I had the option, I'd settle for the KTM300.  Its success is
  claimed to be from the rising interest in the veteran classes.
  Another option may be the ATK406.  Both of the intermediates
  are considered more or less exotic in my area.  But if I had the
  cash burning a hole in my pocket, the torture would be too great
  to stare down at one.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    I just broke a screw off into infinity.
X-Country?!? What next?!?      |      Anyone got a real long/short easyout?  
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |    If you'll try it, I'll try next. NOT!
                               |  

 
From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:16:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Knee Protection
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

After extensive field testing -- i.e. "crash city" ;-) -- those knee protectors
work great!  Once a rut flipped me and the bike into the air; I landed first,
on my side, the bike landed next, Bark Buster first right into the side of
my knee -- I was *real* glad for that wrap-around plastic protection.

I haven't made any modifications to them.  These are one size fits all, so a
little large, but no problem if they slip a little because every time you
bend your knee the hinge action self centers them.  Riders with real slender
knees might add some thin foam to the inside of them.

These aren't braces, just protectors.  There is a similar style by a moto accy
mfg -- HRP, I think -- which are less sturdy and don't wrap around the knee.

If you call around, asking for the "orange plastic, hinged knee protectors,"
you'll probably find an outlet. A local store will mail order:
BWS Distributors (an industrial safety supply store), tele 707-546-2484, ask
for the "orange plastic ...," aka part number 140A-GMB-1.  Price $29.50 plus
"probably about $4 UPS S&H in the U.S."  But I paid $22 at another store (no
mail order) so shop around.  Try to find them locally first, as I wouldn't
want anyone to buy them sight unseen and be disappointed in the fit or something.
-- Mike
From: ged@po.CWRU.Edu (George E. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: ATV's
Date: 15 Dec 1992 05:47:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Al Conte,

     Rec.spode hardly!

     First of all, don't be so quick to put down ATV's because
in case you didn't know it, without ATV sales a considerable
number of your beloved dirtbike dealers would be out of business.
ATV sales account for a significant percent of a dealer's total
sales.  I can't remember exactly but on average it is somewhere
between 30 and 40%.  Nationwide Honda sells around 40,000
TRX300's and less than 10,000 CR125's.  

     Secondly, I race a Fourtrax 250R in regional motocross
(Northern Ohio) and during late practice they run ATV's and
the bikes together.  The bikes go first, with ATV's let loose
about 10 seconds later.  On long (read not tight) outdoor type 
tracks us faster "spodes" catch and pass all but the faster
B and A riders.  Granted it's not really racing, but I don't
think they just let us by - who wants to be beat by a "spode"
On a supercross track it's a different story though.  All
but the slower bikers are faster than the average ATV.
Rough whoops and triples make ATV's no fun.
 
     One good thing came out of the way they did late
practice.  The ATVer's earned some respect.  It's hard to
call someone who blew by you a spode!!!!

    This is not a flame of MXer's.  I love both bikes and
ATV's.  It is merely a response to a flame of ATVer's by
Al.

-- 
'If you can't hang with the big dogs,       *      George Davis
don't get off the porch!'                   *      ged@po.cwru.edu
      -Gary Denton
(5 time AMA Quadcycle Nat'l Champ)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: ATV's
Keywords: whiners
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:01:45 GMT

checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte) writes:

>> I write Rec.spode
>> George writes "hardly!"

>Anybody whoever experienced the act of having quads and ATVs hogging
>up trails, not moving over to let bikes motor by, knows what I am
>talking about.

No better or worse than trail hogs on 2 wheels, eh? Anyone that wants to
pass me is welcome to, whether I'm on 2 wheels or 4. Besides, who'd want
to trail ride on an ATV anyways, they were made for the dunes!

>More injuries are from ATVs and quads than bikes, wonder why?

Numbers please, or I'll have to assume this is the usual "72% of all
statistics are made up" bullshit.

>They belong on the farm pulling haybales and slogging thru the cow shit.

Sorry, my Quadracer won't pull much of anything, if you don't keep that
2-stroke revved up, it just doesn't have any power. I haven't tried cow
shit, but it does throw a better roost in sand and mud than any 2
wheeler I've seen. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:54:49 GMT
Subject: Re: springs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver) writes:

> I am curious if I need to also change the rear spring to balance out
> the stiffer front spring rate.  A friend at the Kawasaki shop where I
> ordered them said that it usually wasn't necessary.  Does anyone have
> experience with changing fork spring rates and it's affect on overall
> suspension performance?

You shouldn't normally have to change the rear spring, but you might have
to make some changes to your riding style.  I've increased the front spring
rates on a number of bikes with no changes to the rear. I've had no adverse
effects to handling. 

With a stiffer front spring, you can push the front end into bigger holes
and bumps without worrying about bottoming.  With softer springs I worked a
lot harder to unload the front end for the big bumps.  This leads to
blistered hands.  As someone else mentioned, the drawback to stiffer springs 
is that they will hammer your arms and shoulders more on the chatter bumps. 

I prefer a softer rear suspension to soften the blows on the spinal column.
For the smaller bumps where you are sitting down, you want a soft spring
anyway.  For the larger bumps, power can compensate for soft suspension.
By landing with the gas on you can unload the suspension, effectively
increasing resistance to bottoming. This is true for standard bikes.  I'm
not sure if A-trak does away with this benefit.  

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:20:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Free SAR in CO
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

> If you ride (or hike, for that matter) off the beaten path much in CO,
> you might want to consider getting a license to slaughter Bambi and/or
> Peter Cottontail.  :^)
> 
> The following is reprinted without permission from the Dec. 92 issue of
> Field & Stream, pg. 86.
> 
> The next time you take to the outdoors in CO, buy a hunting or fishing
> license, even if you don't plan to hunt or fish.  Doing so could save
> your bank account -- and your life.

There has also been talk of a similar arrangement with the OHV permits that
are required in Colorado.  Every time you buy an OHV permit, a small amount
goes to the search and rescue fund.  I'm not entirely sure if this has gone
through.  I'll check into it and let everyone know. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: boots
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:15:27 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

In article <1992Dec14.165906.11814@malibu.dst.battelle.org>, jkk@malibu.dst.battelle.org (John K. Klosterman) writes:
> Helmet:  Does anyone know if the Bieffe 2800 helmet is worth the
>          $100 dollars?  I see it is one of the cheapest full face
>          Dirt helmets around.  Anything I should be aware of ??
>          Should I pay more for a better helmet??

	Bieffe 2800 ?  I don't think it's a real full-face helmet, first
of all.  It's just got a plastic front piece, the shell doesn't go all the
way around.  Plus, it's a plastic shell.  I've seen 2800's for like $50
mail-order.  For $100, you can probably get a fiberglass helmet mail-order
like a BX-6 or some such.

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
Systems Engineer / Motorcyclist / Volunteer / AMA 642916 DoD 0593 FSSNOC 1721
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon)   '79 XT500 (The Bitch)   '87 KDX200 (Moose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: freddie@roost.Columbia.NCR.COM (Freddie Smith)
Subject: Gear
Originator: freddie@roost
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:59:52 GMT


>>I have two simple questions concerning some purchases I'm thinking
>>of making:

>>Helmet:  Does anyone know if the Bieffe 2800 helmet is worth the
         >>$100 dollars?  I see it is one of the cheapest full face
         >>Dirt helmets around.  Anything I should be aware of ??
         >>Should I pay more for a better helmet??


How much should I pay for helmet?  A common question. I have no problem
paying big bucks for a very good helmet. I have used Bell helmets since
1978 after having a 1974 XL350 land on my head. The Bell suffered major
damage, I did not. (My wife says otherwise) If you think about it, riding
a bike is not a question of IF you're going down, but WHEN. You only
have one brain, protect it to the upmost with the best equipment. 




>>Boots:   I also want new boots,  I don't race MX, Hare Scrambles only and
         >>a lot of play riding.  I can find boots in the 90 to 300 dollar
         >>range.  Could I expect to find a pair that would last me 4-5 years
         >>of very wet hard muddy riding and at what cost.  I don't care how
         >>good I look, function is the main concern.  Does anyone have good
         >>advice or experience with what to get???
      

Boots: Varies, If you ride a lot, it's the same as racing a lot. They're
on your feet.  If you have real big feet (size 11 or 12) sometimes you
can find a dealer who ordered a complete line of sizes , but never sold
the real large size before the next years style comes out and he will
sell them to at a good price. This is what I do.  Call various shops
and just ask them, Do you have leftover gear at a discount? If you're
serious, they will get serious, and probaly make a good deal withe you.
Function? Good ankle support, good protection built-in to ward off blows
to your ankle from the engine cases, and try to get boots which are made
from top-grain leather and not split-grain leather. 

If you can't afford top-dollar gear, buy used top-dollar gear. the cheap    
stuff will cost you in the long run more than if you buy the best gear.
Sinasalo pants have a lifetime warrenty. If you get a dark color, and
don't expect to gain weight, then you can't go wrong with them. These
pants will last a loooong time. I still wear a pair I bought in 1984.
And they don't look worn out. The plastic letters that spell Sinasalo
are almost gone, looks more like S_n__alo. I also have 5 other pair
but I have been fortunate to be able to buy new gear every year.

 




-- 
Freddie A. Smith                                NCR Corp.  E&M Columbia, SC
Voice: 803-791-6888                             3000 Unit Development 
CSnet: freddie.smith@roost.Columbia.NCR.COM     Enduro Riders Do It
..!uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!sauron!roost!freddie       In The Woods!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: Carb Jets, Needles, and Floats
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:51:25 GMT

     Let me be about the eighth guy to say Thanks Tim, for posting the
     Keihin needle information.  If I can make a humble request though,
     how about posting the Mikuni needle information when you have
     time?  Let's save this info as an archive too, and I'll also try
     to call this Carb Parts Warehouse and get my own copy.

     I really need to richen up the mix on my new DR350, it's very
     cold-blooded in any weather short of mid-summer.  It's got a
     33mm(?) Mikuni with a fixed needle, I'd really like an adjustable
     one.  Whatta mixed bag of carbs:  my YZ = 40mm Mikuni; WaveRunner
     = diaphragm Mik.; Yamaha Phazer and Enticer snowmo's = butterfly
     Miks.  My SRV snowmo has a butterfly Keihin, and my XL125 has a
     tiny needle-jetted Keihin.  Just try keeping up with all that
     stuff...

     I said goodbye for the season to King Kong (YZ490).  I stuffed it
     in a friend's barn, but not before screaming it down the country
     road (his recently harvested field was way rutted and sloppy with
     snow, whatta workout!).  Up 'til now I have been very encouraged
     with our prospects for snow & frozen lakes, but now it looks like
     we'll have a 2-day rain.  God it can't end up any worse than last
     year, but...

--
   Jim Dunne   dunne@rtsg.mot.com    ...uunet!motcid!dunne   Northern IL, USA
    --<{ TEAM STRANGE -- street / dirt / lake / snow / ice  LOCO-MOTION }>--
From: ged@po.CWRU.Edu (George E. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: ATV's
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:43:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Al,

      I'm sure you've also came up on trail hogging bikes too.
Does that make all bikers slow?  Hell no, so why does some spode
ATVer trail hogs make all ATVer's spodes???  Don't be so quick to
generalize, I'm sure there's plenty of fast quad guys out on the
trail with you that you never see because they're ahead of you
and faster than you.  So of them probably even call you a spode
when they come up behind you.

      Al, you are a prime example of why off roader's have so many 
problems today.  If all of us got together (bikes, ATVs, 4X4s)
and fought to keep riding spots open and for off road monies, 
instead of always putting each other down, we'd be a whole lot 
better off.  

      So quit your whining and start riding.  When I see you 
blow 6 time Grand National ATV Champion Gary Denton's doors
off then maybe I'll take what you say seriously.  

Until then.....

-- 
'If you can't hang with the big dogs,       *      George Davis
don't get off the porch!'                   *      ged@po.cwru.edu
      -Gary Denton
(5 time AMA Quadcycle Nat'l Champ)
From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:56:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Carb Jets, Needles, and Floats
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

A good way to bench test carb tuning might be with an automotive EGO --
exhaust gas oxygen sensor.  These are usually made from zirconia oxide and
generate a current proportional to oxygen content of the exhaust; into 
10 Megs you might see tens of millivolts when real lean, several hundred mV
when real rich.  So, drill an opening somewhere in the MC exhaust for the
sensor (plug the hole after testing).  As you open the throttle, watch the
voltmeter and see exactly where it is lean/right/rich!

So, MC on sturdy stand, strong fan blowing on engine for cooling, but
now a problem -- what is a simple way to put a load on the engine?  Unloaded,
you'll never be able to open the throttle up without over-reving the engine!

Might be a fun, rainy-weekend project.

-- Mike