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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Happy Ditka Day
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 27 JAN 93 14:04:53    

In article <1k3d5qINN24m@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, andy@misha.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes...

>I know we all have our petty differences,  however in this
>special holiday season,   we should put aside our differences,
>even for just one day & all have a Happy Ditka Day & celebrate
>the 7th aniversary of the Bears Super Bowl win.

I prefer to think of today as the anniversary of my dog's birth. :-)

(He's 3 BRW.  Happy birthday, Rufus the Dufus.)

JGH
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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: "How bout them Cowboys"
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:42:51 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan22.213150.1108@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>
>Explain why you think Buffalo has a clear advantage because of hype.  The
>reasons I've seen (and don't buy) include:
>1) Dallas is just happy to be there; Buffalo is on a mission to win
>2) Just look at how Dallas was celebrating, but Buffalo is so stern and
>   is on their best behavior
>3) Buffalo has endured SB Week 2 times already.
>
>#1 is just pure fiction.  Why doesn't Dallas want/need/crave the SB as much
>as Buffalo?
>
>#2 and #3:  Remember Denver's 3 trips to the SB in the 80s?  Their first 
>trip it is said that they were too distracted.  Their second trip they were 
>more focused.  Their third trip, they were on a mission; they "weren't just 
>happy to be there;" they really wanted to wine to dispel popular perception 
>that they were chokers and to prove to themselves they really belong.  Oh,
>and in case you didn't know, they lost all 3 of those games, too.  Maybe
>being "on a mission" or "doing it for the third time" hasn't hostorically
>meant so much.

Denver is not Buffalo. Your argument is analogous to saying "apples are
red, so oranges must be red too, right?" A few posts ago you said people
should not be subjective. I guess you believe in "do as I say, not as I
do." 
>
>Maybe Dallas WILL come out rattled and blow it.  I don't think they will,
>though.  They have had no turnovers in 2 playoff games.  They have been called
>for few penalties.  I can't recall many blown assignments or mental mistakes.
>Nobody has lost their helmet and thus been unable to start a game.
>
>Those are things indicative of being mentally "tight," and Dallas hasn't done
>them in the playoffs.  The Bills face the same pressure and media attention
>that Dallas does, and I don't believe that they are immune while Dallas isn't.
>Why do people concentrate on intangibles when there are many tangible and
>objective ways to compare the teams? This game will be won on the field;
>why don't you focus on what the teams have accomplished on the field.

We'll see what happens Sunday.

>
>Floyd Goodrich
>floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com 

--Jim
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills 23 Cowboys 20
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:07:37 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <1jphmlINNa9v@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.100822.20581@spuddy.uucp> markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge) writes:
>
> >
> >WHY is Dallas a better TEAM? 
> >To say NFC has won it most in last 10 and so they will win this year is
> >absolutely ludicrous. Will we get, NFC won has won it every year for the
> >last 10 years (except for last years fluke)... next year?
>
>Dallas  plays in the NFC East, thats where you have to play SB type football
>in almost every game of the year to have a good season. If you play all
>year with the best and beat them, then you are the best......
>
>Unlike "some" divisions in the AFC, Okay all of the AFC.

With arrogant posts like this is it any wonder the Bills fan's are amongst
the most loyal in the league? After Sunday, when the Bills will probably
win, you will be the first to congratulate the BEST team won't you?

GO BILLS! 

#78 for MVP SB XXVII...
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From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Super Bowl Quarterbacks
Reply-To:  wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:32:18 GMT

The college that has produced the most Super Bowl winning
quarterbacks?  Alabama?  Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Ken 
Stabler, Jeff Rutledge (didn't he win a Super Bowl
with somebody?).  Just a guess.
From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys compare to 49ers not Steelers
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:39:49 GMT
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un036337@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

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From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael D. Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Thoughts...
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:20:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan26.192303.2395@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>Hmmm, a few months ago I was arguing with people who said the Packers 
>gave up too much.  Assuming the Falcons had some idea of Favre's value 
>they had to demand at least a #1.  If they'd have been smart and if 
>they knew how good he appears to be they shouldn't have traded him at 
>all.  But (1) they probably didn't think he was all that great and, 
>(2) after only 3/4 of one season it's too early to be declaring 
>that the trade was a real steal.  It sure *looks* like a real steal 
>but we'll have to wait and see.

	I saw a lot of talent in him when he was with the Falcs. Maybe
its just me, but if he had *some* talent, why not keep him more than 1
year? I mean, give them time in a system and their sure to develop, at
least decenty...

	Anyway, maybe it was because they have 2 good QB's in Miller and
W.Wilson, and a *decent* one in Tolliver.

	I still think Majkowski would fit perfectly in New England, 
especially in Parcell's offense...


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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Quarterback Question
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:19:04 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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Hi there
Can anybody tell me which College has produced the most
number of Super Bowl winning QB's?
Thanks
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From: stavish@purch.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Superbowl Tickets
Originator: stavish@purch
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:49:42 GMT

Wanted: 4 Superbowl Tickets 

Four loyal Bills fans would like to see this one in person.
If anyone has tickets to sell phone (607) 324-1383, ask for Ray. 
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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: Perfect Dolphins Trivia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:41:57 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1993Jan27.185212.27767@macc.wisc.edu>,
heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
|>In article <1k43i9INN9kv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu
(Lawrence P. Colucci) writes...
|>
|>>Here's a another one for you:
|>>What was the only other team in pro football history to go undefeated?
|>>Hint (It was before the NFL as we know it).
|>

	Weren't the Cleveland Browns undefeated in the A.A.F.C
before they joined the N.F.L.


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From: johndoe@jefferson.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
	<JOHNDOE93Jan20.194122@jefferson.inmet>
	<C16LH4.3yE@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:08:21 GMT

first, you may be right about nobis:  i think he may have been 61 at texas,
but this may also be wrong.  second, i was also wrong about otto graham at
00.  jim otto was the only 00 otto (though i do recall the houston oiler 00
... burroughs?), and (coincidentally) graham was also 60 before becoming 14.


>4. Reggie Roby
>22. Bobby Layne
>34. Earl Campbell/Joe Perry
>39. Hugh Mcelhenny
>44. Floyd Little
>61. Bill George
>70. Art Donovan
>75. Howie Long
>77. Red Grange
>78. Anthony Munoz
>88. Alan Page
>92. Reggie White
>99. Clyde Simmons

these are all worthy.  i had in fact thought of floyd little, but as a
broncos fan, i didn't know if he was a famous enough figure.  campbell and
perry are good, but pale slightly compared to payton.  i also thought of
donavon but forgot to put his name down (as well as a couple of others that
really do seem to belong, below).

>37. Gerald Riggs
>53. Jeff Bostic
>61. /Mike Baab
>63. Lee Roy Selmon
>65. Elvin Bethea
>67. Luis Sharpe
>81. Roy Green
>84. Jay Novacek
>93. Cliff Odom

i don't know about these, though they are good efforts.  green started off
as a db, and had another number to start with.  novacek is certainly a good
84, but i would say he's not even the best cowboy 84; that goes to doug
cosbie.

other famous #s.

8. ray guy
10. jim zorn
17. harold carmichael
24. willie brown (the int he ran back against the vikes, shown on cbs for years
25. tommy mc donald
28. curt warner
37. ken houston
70. jim marshall (ran the ball the wrong way, but also played most viking games
78. bobby bell
80. steve largent
85. max mc gee
86. boyd dowler
87. willie davis
From: bitn@kimbark.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bald-Headed Ditka in Superbowl Commercial
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:56:05 GMT
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

I'm sorry, but that has to be one of my favorite subject headers I've
ever had the pleasure of posting to r.s.f.p.  Well, here it is --
apparently, a group of players and coaches, including Ditka, former
Cowboys coach Tom Landry and Boomer Esiason, are going to be in some
Super Bowl commercial in which a lot of people are bald.  I have no
idea what this is a commercial for (though I'm sure we could take some
humorous guesses ...).  As he was having his make-up applied, I heard
Ditka mutter, "Boy, it's one thing to lose your job.  But to lose your
job and get scalped in the same year ..."

*-Nathan-*

-- 
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|______________________________________________________________________|
From: mg5c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael D. Goettsche)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Wanted/Predictions
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:04:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofN7zu_00WBL48gkpb
Organization: Freshman, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Just out of curiousity, I'm wondering what all of you think the score
regarding Super Bowl XXVII will be.  I'm putting together a little poll
to see what the general consensus is.  Please no opinions -- just a
score.  Thanks.

Dallas 27
Buffalo 17
From: marshal@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Timothy Pat Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SB predictions--Dallas by double digits
Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:34:42 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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un036337@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
Parts of original article deleted.

>	WR-Here is where a key mismatch lies.  Andre Reed hasn't been an impact
>most of this season, and I hav yet to hear much about James Lofton playing at
>the top of his game.  Don Beebe seems to be playing well, but that won't cut it
>when compared to Michael Irvin who is in his prime, and Alvin harper who, while
>he doesn't make alot of catches, when he does, they hurt.  The big part of the
>mismatch comes when you realise that these guys, combined with Martin, are all
>big tall, and fast compared to a shorter, slower secondary.  Add it up, and
>Aikman may get a game plan that says "Throw the ball high so we can outjump
>them".	Edge Dallas (this is being generous to Buffalo I think)
>	Brian Mulhollan
I think you are going to be suprised by the Buffalo WR core.  Collectivelly
they have much more talent than Dallas has.  And Andre Reed was playing
up to form in the Houstan game.  I do believe that M. Irvine is the best 
reciever in the game but he is not surrounded by the talent that buffalo
has.   
                                         Just rambling
                                             Tim
:w
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas/Buffalo
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:51:09 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <1993Jan21.210410.18917@pixel.kodak.com> fbrown@ssd.kodak.com writes:

[about the Oiler's O-line]

> They might have ate them for breakfast in the first half but they got their
> hats handed to them in the second. I dont think they touched Reich after the
> interception. I think that 32 pt comeback showed that the Bills are a team
> of destiny. They cant lose!

  They most certainly can.  They lost several games this season, just like
everybody else in the league.
 
  They also had the good fortune to play the single worst-choking team I
have ever known.  The 32-point 1st half is indicative of weakness, the come-
back indicative of guts and tenacity.  But the fact the Oiler's played
like pithed frogs no doubt played a part...

  Dallas almost let the Giants do the same thing early in the season.  But
they didn't.  I wouldn't count on a 17+ point comeback (assuming the Cowboys
build that kind of a lead, which I doubt -- I think the final margin will
be 10 pts or less) in the SB.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Holmgren selected NFC Coach of the Year
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:28:46 GMT
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The voting was done by The Committee of 101, a group of 101 writers and
broadcasters that regularly cover the NFL. In other news, Mike Singletary
will play in the Pro-Bowl. In the AFC, Shannon Sharpe and Greg Lloyd were
added to the squad. When was the last time two brothers both made the Pro-
Bowl in the same year (Sterling and Shannon)?

--salty
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: More SuperBowl Trivia
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:53:09 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


RE: The only rookie QB to start a Super Bowl?

could it be Vince Ferragamo of the Los Angeles Rams?  The Rams defense
(coached by the redoubtable Bud Carson of Philly Eagles and Steel Curtain
fame) were a dropped INT away from beating the Steelers!!!

satish nair
giants
From: kjs5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KRISTIAN JOHN SCHAFER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Wanted/Predictions
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:04:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <ofN7zu_00WBL48gkpb@andrew.cmu.edu>, mg5c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael D.
 Goettsche) writes:
>Just out of curiousity, I'm wondering what all of you think the score
>regarding Super Bowl XXVII will be.  I'm putting together a little poll
>to see what the general consensus is.  Please no opinions -- just a
>score.  Thanks.
>
>Dallas 27
>Buffalo 17
>
Cowboys: 34
Bills: 13

Watch for Emmit Smith and Michael Irvin to have big days.
-A dedicated Cowboys fan.
From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: "How bout them Cowboys"
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:35:04 GMT

>In article <1993Jan21.152325.21236@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>
>Yes, well this is a discussion group for opinions. I posted my opinions.
>Your opinions are just as much pure conjecture and highly subjective.

Good point, except for the fact that I don't use my opinions to show
why one team has the edge over another team due to "intangibles." 
Especially when there are tangible pieces of evidence to the contrary.

You tried to use your subjective evaluation of the Bills' "desire" to
show why they would beat Dallas in the Super Bowl.  In truth, you 
only conjecture about why Buffalo has a "mental edge" over Dallas
instead of looking at any objective measure.

My opinion is that regualr season records, statistics, and other
tangible, objectively measured quantities make more of a difference
than the intangibles you cite.  Go ahead and argue why your intangibles
should count more than objective measures.


Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills Polka
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:53:54 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York



only with a city with the suburb like Ckeektowaga would football get a
polka-fight song...

rah-rah-woof rah-rah-woof...

jason
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NY Giants - Current Personnel, Free Agents, Draft?
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:49:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.129.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.
cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>
>
>I'm pretty sure the following would be free agents:
>
>Who am I missing? (more than a lot I'm sure...)

The most important one: Lawrence Taylor.  LT said that he'd only consider
extending his career to play for Parcells.  If Bill does indeed go the same
route he did in NY, he will probably pick Marvin Jones (Fla) or John Curry
(Ala) with his #1 Draft pick, get LT in free agency... viola, instant defense!

>
>What I am trying to get at here, is what type of personnel will the G's be 
>looking to pick up?  Offensive line?  YES, PLEASE! We gotta protect our 
>rookie QB's a little better than this year.  Or they need a quick drop pass 
>patern to work on...

Trust me their offensive line isn't THAT bad (remember the KC games and the
Washington game... the QB was hardly pressured).  However, the line is very
undisciplined.  A good coach can make them into one of the better O lines in
the NFL... during the 1990 season, the Giants were great at last minute pass
oriented drives.  Phil Simms also had a 3:1 ratio of TDs to INTs... all signs
of a decent O line.

>
>
>I sure hope that if Reeves signs, he puts together a good offensive 
>coordinator and a GREAT defensive coord. to pull us together.  Any word on 
>whether he would take any previous staff with him?

Amen!  He wants to take Wade Phillips with him... bwahhahahaha.  Joe Gibbs,
Rich Kotite, JJ and Joe Bugel must be relishing the prospect!

Seriously, what the Gs need is:
(1) a deep threat. not necessarily Jerry Rice but a Fred Barnett/Quinn Early
type who can get into the open field fast.  Have the QB toss to the TEs and
when necessary, go deep.

(2) a run stopper.  When ya play the NFC East, ya gotta play by the NFC East
rules.

Forget the pass rush specialist.  The effort would be better spent trying to
get more productivity out of those corners and safety who have gotten lazy
behind the pass rush of LT and Co.

satish nair
giants
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From: grissom@seq.uncwil.edu (grissom gregory scott)
Subject: USENET All-Pro Team 92-93
Keywords: You Picked Them
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:48:18 GMT


This is the all-pro team chosen by usenet for the 92-93 
football season.

WR- Sterling Sharpe             SS- Ronnie Lott 
WR- Jerry Rice                  FS- Bennie Blades 
RB- Emmitt Smith                CB- Rod Woodson 
RB- Barry Foster                CB- Deion Sanders 
QB- Steve Young                 LB- Junior Seau  
TE- Keith Jackson               LB- Wilbur Marshall  
 C- Mark Stepnoski              LB- Rickey Jackson    
OT- Richmond Webb               DE- Clyde Simmons   
OT- Mike Kenn                   DE- Reggie White 
OG- Steve Wisniewski            DT- Cortez Kennedy 
OG- Bruce Matthews              DT- Howie Long  
                                NG- Michael Dean Perry
                 
					Specialists:
					------------
					P- Greg Montgomery
					K- Morten Andersen
					R- Deion Sanders
					Special Teamer- Steve Tasker


    
	Offensive MVP- Steve Young       Defensive MVP- Junior Seau
	Runner-up    - Barry Foster      Runner-up    - Reggie White



 I appreciate all of you who voted. I wish I could of had more 
 than 25 votes. I guess that is all of the REAL FOOTBALL FANS 
 on the USENET. Too Bad! If we would have had more , we might 
 have made a splash on the football scene. Maybe Next Year!

										   Later ,
										   Scootman
										   (grissom)
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Who is the SuperBowl Home Team?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:53:54 GMT
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In article <30172@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick) writes:
>
>Yep, that's my question.
>
>Who is the Home team in the super bowl?
>
>Anyone? Anyone?

I think it comes by rotation. Last year it was AFC (Bills).
So this time I guess it would be NFC (Cowboys).
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