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From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Help!  SMG$GET_TERM_DATA/VAX PASCAL
Date: 14 Nov 92 15:12:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> I'd _really_really_ appreciate it if someone could get the VAX PASCAL code
> below my sig to work properly (and send me a copy... <grin>).  Basically,
> I'm having difficulties passing the buffer address to SMG$GET_TERM_DATA...
> who's bright idea was it to define "Address - Unsigned Longword" as an
> [UNSAFE] ^[UNSAFE] INTEGER????

> [inherit('sys$library:starlet','sys$library:pascal$smg_routines')]
> program termtab(input,output);
> type
>   $DEFTYP = [UNSAFE] INTEGER;   {as found in pascal$smg_routines.pas}
>   $DEFPTR = [UNSAFE] ^$DEFTYP;  {ditto}
> 
> var
>   stat : integer;
>   termadr : unsigned;
>   bufadr : $DEFPTR;
>   line : varying [12] of char;  {arbitrary length string}
>   junk : integer;
>   i : integer;
> 
> begin
>   stat := SMG$INIT_TERM_TABLE(%descr 'VT200_Series',termadr);
>   if not(odd(stat)) then $exit(stat);
> 
>   line := zero;
>   bufadr := iaddress(line.body); {this is what gives me problems, I think}
> 
>   {should return 4 character string "<esc>[2J"}
>   stat := SMG$GET_TERM_DATA(termadr,SMG$K_ERASE_WHOLE_DISPLAY,12,junk,bufadr);
>   if not(odd(stat)) then $exit(stat);
>   line.length := junk;
> 
>   writeln('length = ',junk:1);  {this works okay... returns '4'}
>   writeln('"',line.body,'"');   {... but this doesn't}
> 
>   {display the entire string for debugging purposes}
>   for i:=1 to 12 do
>     writeln(i:2,' "',line.body[i],'" (',ord(line.body[i]):1,')');
> end.

The following SIMPLE modification works for me:

[inherit('sys$library:starlet','sys$library:pascal$smg_routines')]
program termtab(input,output);

var
  stat : integer;
  termadr : unsigned;
  line : varying [12] of char;  {arbitrary length string}
  junk : integer;
  i : integer;

begin
  stat := SMG$INIT_TERM_TABLE(%descr 'VT200_Series',termadr);
  if not(odd(stat)) then $exit(stat);

  line := zero;

  {should return 4 character string "<esc>[2J"}
  stat := SMG$GET_TERM_DATA(termadr,SMG$K_ERASE_WHOLE_DISPLAY,12,junk,
                            %REF line.body);
  if not(odd(stat)) then $exit(stat);
  line.length := junk;

  writeln('length = ',junk:1);  {this works okay... returns '4'}
  writeln('"',line.body,'"');   {... but this doesn't} (* NOW IT DOES *)

  {display the entire string for debugging purposes}
  for i:=1 to 12 do
    writeln(i:2,' "',line.body[i],'" (',ord(line.body[i]):1,')');
end.

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.vms
From: churchm@gov.on.ca (Mike Churchward)
Subject: How many file headers left on a disk?
Organization: Government of Ontario
Distribution: global
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:40:49 GMT

Hi:

Does anyone know of, or have a method of, determining the number of
available file headers on a disk volume?  There doesn't seem to be a VMS
command that will do this.

Thanks,

Mike.
-- 
===============================================================================
	Mike Churchward                 "Good greeting-time, username."
	E-Mail: churchm@ndm.gov.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: problem with DECC under ALPHA/VMS
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:49:46 GMT


In article <6585@npri6.npri.com>,
murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:
|>
|>The C compiler for ALPHA AXP, called DECC, does not provide the linker
|>with the correct information for cross-referencing purposes:  if a function
|>is only called by other functions within the same module as the callee,
|>then the linker reports _no_ modules reference that function.  ugh.

Actually, this looks like a Linker problem rather than a C compiler problem.
The AXP Linker gets the same information passed to it that the VAX Linker does
when the program is compiled with VAX C, but the VAX Linker gets the cross-
reference right.

--PSW
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: jsue@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey L. Sue)
Subject: Re: Failures in system security.
Originator: jsue@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: The Dow Chemical Company
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:56:22 GMT

>Also, as I pointed out at the beginning of my article (didn't you actually 
>read
>it?), starting with VMS v5.5-2, DEC allows the system manager the option of
>setting things up so that making an outgoing connection to the MAIL object
>requires SYSPRV.  Other network objects can still be opened with just NETMBX,
> I
>think, but DEC finally made it (as I said in my article, to which you've
>apparently replied without reading it) somewhat harder to counterfeit mail 
>over
>DECnet.

Hey.  What's the problem here?  I suggest you sit back and take a couple
of deep breaths - and at *least* a couple of valium.

There's nothing objectionable in my post, and certainly nothing meant
as a personal attack.

Specifically, I was merely trying to prevent someone from feeling
as if they're secure once they've done as you suggested with the
network object.  Your post did not specifically state how one could
acquire PHY_IO privilege, only that it was required.

As a matter of fact, I did read your post, and although it was completely
accurate, I did not feel that it was entirely clear.  Some people I've
talked to just don't understand all the possibilities/ramifications of
these techie things, and I felt it needed some clarification.  It is just
not general knowledge among non-computer jocks how simple it is to "appear"
to be somebody else.  For example, with just a little knowledge of your
network, and a moderate-or-larger sized network, I could probably fake
out the net about who I am without being detected at all.  And it does
not require a VMS system with mail and DECnet.

Most companies do have PCs & MACs on the network, and many have
ethernet boards in them.  Therefore I don't think it unreasonable to
state that the VMS Mail solution from DEC is not really secure, not
even close.  However in no way am I saying that your post makes false claims
of "secureness" with this new feature in VMS 5.5-2.

If my writing sounded like a personal attack, I apologize.
This was not my intention.



-- 
-----
Jeff Sue   
 - All opinions are mine -       (and you can't have any, nya nya nya)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: BOUND VOLUME SETS: ARE THEY A BAD IDEA?
From: Programmierer@BEIZ.mediatex.ch (055485666: MEDIAtex AG)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 19:43:01 CET
Organization: MEDIAtex AG, CH-8807 Freienbach/SZ

I have two questions on volume sets. First here the qurrent config:

     1 RF71      (a single-volume-volume-set)

     3 RF31      (another volume-set)

both of them are now at the limit of there capacity so we ordered a new
DSSI-SCSI-Disk of 2.5 GByte capacity.

Now my question. on which of these disk' s should be the root-directory?
which is the best for performance? is it good on a RF31 or should it be on
the new bigger disk?

The other question: is it a good idea to use more than one root-directories
of the volume set? It' s possible to do that, I've tested it, but it this a
good Idea? (It's nowhere written of that possibility!)

|B                                    B|
|E           CH: VTX *3600#           E|
|I           D:  BTX *28881#          I|
|Z                                    Z|
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: How to get files in SYSLOST back to right place
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:08:00 GMT

In article <m0mq2N6-0001aUC@belvoir-ispd2.army.mil>, williams@NVL.ARMY.MIL (Timothy Williams) writes...
>Please excuse my ignorance.  I'm running VMS 5.3 on a uVAX 3900 and did an
>ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR and got 435 lost files in DUA0:[SYSLOST...].  In looking
>at these files, I noticed that there are duplicate files here.  For example,

...

>By the file id, these are all the same file, so if I delete one, I delete
>them all, right?  

>First question.  How do I get these 3 files back to one?

$ set file /remove DUA0:[SYSLOST]424.NET;2
$ set file /remove DUA0:[SYSLOST.BP]424.NET;2

Be careful with set file /remove, else you'll make it so you have to run
ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR again to get the file back (or access it by FID if you
know it and know how)

-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: mores@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (David C. Mores)
Subject: Re: decoding decterm error message 02DB821C
Reply-To: mores@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (David C. Mores)
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:59:11 GMT
CC: Mores


--
Try this:

 $ set message SYS$COMMON:[SYSMSG]DECW$XLIBMSG.EXE
 $ exit %x02db821c
 %XLIB-F-IOERROR, xlib io error

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
David C. Mores            Principal Systems Specialist             Keep it short
Lockheed Sanders, Inc.    Nashua, NH                               and sweet.
Internet E-mail: mores@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com                 do da do da
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

"Sometimes I think that the surest sign that intellegent life exists elsewhere
in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
From: rajar@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Chandrashekar Rajaraman)
Subject: Need help with printer output format
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:21:50 GMT
Reply-To: rajar@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Chandrashekar Rajaraman)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

Hi,

I have a HP Laserjet on which I print from a
DEC Microvax II running VAX/VMS 5.5, which until
a few weeks ago ran under 4.6. I have
a program to print text files with upto 96 char/line.
It used to print in the required format when it
ran under 4.6, but under 5.5 it
prints only 80 char/line and the remaining characters
spill over to the next line in an unsightly manner.

Apparently, the system adds a CR/LF after 80 char which
I want to prevent. My program "writes" a CR after 96 char.
It is written in FORTRAN, so I think a LF is
added by its "WRITE" function.

I have looked at the documentation for the terminal
driver, and found that the set mode functions namely
set mode and set characteristics can be passed "P4"
which can probably be set appropriately.

Can someone tell me whether there is a simpler way
to do what I want, or even if I am on the right track ?

You can imagine that I would like to solve this problem
quickly since over three people depend on this
printer.

Please email me.

Thank you !

Chandra
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: francini@narfvx.enet.dec.com (John Francini)
Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS, maximum network logical links exceeded
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:45:13 GMT


In article <1992Nov22.193806.23362@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes...
>In article <1992Nov22.174003.1130@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, francini@narfvx.enet.dec.com (John Francini) writes:
>>
>>In article <22NOV92.01314219@moleng.ucsc.edu>, wipke@moleng.ucsc.edu writes...
>>>NCP shows max links = 32, but SHOW NET shows zero links to the node
>>>that gives this error upon SET HOST <anyothernode>.  Is max links
>>>for the network or for the node?  Is there some other parameter tha
>>>that causes this?
>>
>>The error is coming from the remote system, not the local one, if I
>>understand your scenario correctly.  In other words:
>>
>>You're logged onto NODEA::.  You SET HOST to NODEB::.  You get the
>>SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS.  NODEB::'s using the maximum number of links.
>>
>>NODEB's NCP max links parameter needs to be increased.
> 
>I don't think this is correct. If you are on NODEA and get the "NOLINKS"
>message, then it is coming from NODEA. If NODEB did not have any slots
>left in the link vector, then the message on NODEA will be "insufficient
>resources at remote node". So it's NODEA that needs to increase the
>number of links.
> 
That's what I get for answering that question in the middle of the night.

Of course you're correct.  Duh on me.

John Francini
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: newark@befvax.uchicago.edu (Tom Newark)
Subject: Re: vs 4060 to vs 4090 upgrade bombs....
Reply-To: newark@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics and Cell Biology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:59:17 GMT

In article <1egdgfINNlva@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:

[stuff about model 90 upgrade deleted]

>Have I seen it?  No.  Do I have any ideas?  Yes.  You might want to take a look
>at ERRLOG.SYS to see whether your machine's noticing any problems with itself.
>
>Btw. I suspect that unxint means "unexpected interrupt."
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
>
>Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
>understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
>unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
>organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
>hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.

Nothing unusual show up in the error log, i've checked it.  Another question
i'd meant to ask... Is there any way to skip the diagnostic tests when you 
fire up a vaxstation???

all help appreciated 

Tom Newark


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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: diewald@virrus.zko.dec.com (Jeff Diewald)
Subject: Re: sys$hiber/sys$wake problems? - SUMMARY
Reply-To: diewald@virrus.zko.dec.com (Jeff Diewald)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:42:44 GMT


In article <Bxnt96.8oJ@unx.sas.com>, sasjzs@falcon.unx.sas.com (Joseph Slater) writes:
|>I determined the spurious $wake was not coming from the PPL
|>rtl by patching the rtl so that any calls to $wake from 
|>within the rtl went to a stub routine in my main image. The
|>stub routine then called Lib$signal with SS$_DEBUG where the 
|>call frame was traced and it afterwards called the real 
|>sys$wake. No calls were made from pplrtl (isn't patch wonderful?). 
|>I then looked at the other shareable images loaded and
|>determined that the most likely culprit was.... (drum roll)
|>THE DEBUGGER.
|>
|>And sure enough, the problem doesn't occur when the debugger
|>isn't active. 
|>
|>As many of you suggested, we will eventually add code to check
|>the state on exit from $hiber and to re-hiber if we get awakened
|>prematurely.
|>
|>Today's rhetorical question: How do you debug a problem caused
|>by the debugger? 

This is a known, documented problem in the Debugger, described in the 
Debugger release notes.  Debug uses $hiber/$wake to synchronize the Debugger 
main process (all the UI + symbolization code + other things) and the process 
being debugged.

Now - there is an option.  Define DBG$PROCESS as "NONE".  This forces the
Debugger main to live in the same process as the program being debugged.
It also eliminates the use of $HIBER/$WAKE in the Debugger.  

This has its drawbacks though.  There are features that are not supported
under the one process Debugger - such as the new and vastly improved Motif
UI. 

Using a different synchronization mechanism in the Debugger to avoid this
problem is on our list of things to do, although I don't know when we'll get
to it. 

Finally - to "answer" your rhetorical question - we use the Debugger to debug
itself.  ;-)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Jeff Diewald			EASYNET:   VIRRUS::DIEWALD
	Debug group			INTERNET:  diewald@virrus.zko.dec.com
	Digital Equipment Corp.
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: HUNG SYSTEM WHEN SUBMITTING THREE JOBS ON SYS$BATCH
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <C014F5D13B5F00093D@EGFRCUVX>, SABRY@SHEBIN.EG writes...
#HI...
#WE  WORK A MICROVAX 3400 ,12MB.
#HERE ON A DEVICE USERNAME CALLED SHEBIN AND HE MAKE THREE OR 3 JOBS BY
#SUBMITTING AND THIS A JOBS BY FORTRAIN ..OK.
#THIS A JOBS WROKED ONCE ON SYS$BATCH AND SYS$BATCH LIMIT_JOPB=3     OK.
#THEN AFTER SO SEEM THAT MICROVAX HUNG  AND CANNOT WORKINGD WITH US
#AND ALSO ANY USER CONNOT LOGIN TO ACCOUNT OWN IT AND DCL  VERY SLOWER AND
#NOT ANY ANSWER WITH US..OK
#THEN APPEARS TO US THIS A MESSAGES:-
#%SYSTEM-W-PAGEFRAD,PAGE  FILE BADLY FRAGMENTED,SYSTEM CONTINUING.
#ALSO,
#%SYSTEM-W-PAGECRIT,PAGE FILE SPACE CRITICAL,SYSTEM TRYING TO CONTINUE.
#I SORRY ON THIS A MESSAGE BUT I WANT FROM ANYONE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND
#GIVE ME A MAIL CONTIAN THE SOLVE  TO A ERRORS MESSAGES.
#THANKS A LOT FOR NAYONE ON HELP.
#E-MAIL OR  ENTERNET:SABRY@SHEBIN.EG
#FROM EGYPT.
#SABRY
#BYE.

	Make the size of your page file 2x the size of memory.

From SHOW memory:
  Main Memory (128.00Mb)          262144        2342      254807        4995
	.
	.
Paging File Usage (pages):                      Free  Reservable       Total
  DISK$VAXVMSRL5:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS    227379     -130848      512000


512000 ~= 262144 x 2...

Ehud

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Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: buda@star.enet.dec.com (Mark A. Buda)
Subject: Re: deleteing an rms block
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:02:50 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.231932.7615@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ncuster@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nate Custer) writes...
> 
>If i create a random access file with rms in my account (i'm the owner)
>and someone wants to delete one of the records in that file, can they
>do that?

Depending on the orginazation (Seq/Rel/Idx) you do it with different techniques.
For IDX/REL, you would use the $DELETE system service.  For sequential files
you would use a couple different methods.

>assuming w:rw protection is set?  when you delete the block,
>aren't you just telling rms it isn't there anymore?  you're not actually
>cleaning up the file right?

You have told RMS to 'forget' about the data that was accessable.  The data
may still be in the file, but not accessable without block access.  In time
you may overwrite it, at which time it is truly gone.

	- mark

buda@star.enet.dec.com
...!decwrl!star.enet.dec.com!buda
buda%star.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: zapantis@uvphys.phys.uvic.ca (Nik Zapantis)
Subject: Re: Plans for mixed Alpha/VAX cluster with common system disk?
Reply-To: zapantis@uvphys.phys.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:58:55 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.143024.19179@crpmks.uucp>, billb@crpmks.uucp (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems)) writes:
|>
|>In article <1992Nov14.080016.1283@news.arc.nasa.gov> adelman@tgv.com (Kenneth Adelman) writes:
|>>>In article <1992Nov13.100832.3777@dxcern.cern.ch>, julian@vscn08.cern.ch (Julian James Bunn) writes:
|>>>
|>>> What worries me more about a mixed architecture VAX/Alpha VMS Cluster is
|>>> how the poor innocent users are going to sort out the confusion between
|>>> VAX and Alpha executables.
|>>
|>>    David Kashtan had an interesting solution to this problem.	Create
|>>a format for images that allows you to "store" both a VAX and an Alpha
|>>image in the same executable.  Then you just need an APPEND/IMAGE
|>>command or somesuch to create these "duel-architecture" executables.
|>>
|>>							    Ken
|>
|>Sounds like agreat idea.  In the mean time, I have heard that they will 
|>require 2 system disks in a mixed "cup" environment.   
|>
|>-- 
|>Bill Bochnik			| It's hard to be a James Bond in an Abbott
|>Systems Analyst 		|	and Costello world.
|>Ciba-Geigy Corporation		| Signed and sealed, they deliver oblivion.
|>philabs!crpmks!billb		| It's worse than that, he's dead Jim.
|>

I think a low tech solution is probably what most sites will adopt. 
Going thru the release notes of Alpha VMS, I came accross the HELP/MESSAGE
utility. One could use this utility to expand the error message one gets when
a VAX/VMS image is activated in an Alpha/VMS system, to inform the user that
what (s)he is trying to run, can only be run on a VAX/VMS system.
One could also suggest that if the user has the source, then the program can
be recompiled/linked and then run on Alpha.
Let's give the users some credit here. They will soon learn how to separate
the two.

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| Dept. of Physics & Astronomy  | 45393::zapantis(HEPnet/SPAN)  |
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From: dmatthews@uap.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: 5.5-x better than 5.4-3? In what ways?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:56:24 GMT
Reply-To: dmatthews@uap.umd.edu
Organization: IPST, U. of Maryland, College Park

The subject says most of it.  What performance improvements in any version
of 5.5 have you seen after using 5.4-3?  I've seen so many problems posted
that I've avoided the upgrade.  No RTFMs please, I have not been able to lay
hands on a copy of the 5.5 New Features manual.  I understand  5.5 has a super
new queue manager, but I'm especially interested in other enhancements or
improvements that have proved their worth.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Dr. David L. Matthews, IPST, Univ. of Maryland, College Park MD 20742-2431 
Telephone  (301)405-4830	Internet   dmatthews@uap.umd.edu
FAX 	   (301)314-9363	NSI/SPAN   UMDUAP::DMATTHEWS
From: GAVRON@IT.SUNQUEST.COM (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: VNEWS T-shirts!
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:12:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

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--
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"The world bores you when you're cool."

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		Tucson AZ 85711
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