HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tim@introl.com (Tim Chase)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: test
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:09:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.17m4n0INNpd1
Distribution: milw
Organization: Introl Corp.
NNTP-Posting-Host: introl.introl.com

test
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Tim Chase		           Introl Corp. Milwaukee, WI USA
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   or tim@introl.uucp		   Phone: +1 (414) 327-7171
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: Test From Sti
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:42:26 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

This is a test
-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: sadler@fullfeed.fullfeed.com (Jonathan Sadler)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: Testing news posting THROUGH spool.  May it will work.
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:51:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: FullFeed - Public Access Usenet/Email (+1 608 246 2701 guest)

This is a test messsage.  Having rnews LOCATABLE by the incomin uux
gould be a good thing.  Jeez.

Jonathan Sadler
sadler@fullfeed.com
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From: root@pdx.mentorg.com (systems)
Subject: from sboyle
Originator: root@troll
Organization: none
Distribution: pdx
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:31:42 GMT

This is a test of the American Broadcorping Castration...
Newsgroups: misc.test
From: dthomas@apollo (David Thomas)
Subject: This is a test
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 19:59:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM

This is a test This is a test This is a test
Newsgroups: misc.test
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Subject: Pillage pillage!
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:44:34 GMT

I MADE a misTAKE!

WHY do I haveta KEEP PAYING FOR IT!

				--Blair
				  "With condolences to Kirk
				   Douglas, who didn't win
				   an Emmy last night..."
Newsgroups: misc.test
From: fprice@hamilton.edu (Frank Price)
Subject: Test Pnews (2)
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:11:32 GMT

This is a test (2)
Newsgroups: misc.test
From: fcastro@tolten.puc.cl (Felipe Castro)
Subject: Do you copy? OVER
Organization: Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:09:39 GMT

..

--
Felipe Castro A.
fcastro@tolten.puc.cl
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From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.EDU (R. Mandock)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: *BIG* Labor (AFL-CIO) endorses Clinton.  What a surprise (NOT!).
Keywords: Labor, unions, Clinton
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:12:50 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


The suspense is over.  Lane Kirkland and his AFL-CIO have endorsed Bill
Clinton.  I wonder what goodies he's promised them?  You'll be paying for
them soon if Slick Willie is elected!
-- 
MANDOCK,R.
Internet: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,sci.econ
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Scudbusters
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:04:42 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug23005934@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
}In article <1992Aug21.211113.630@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
}>   The Israelis said that if it's not American, then perhaps it's
}>   Russian, Egyptian or something else and we're gonna send it away.  
}
}Sounds like you don't agree with the official story.  The Israelis
}officially didn't ever identify the ship as an American ship.

Huh?  Looks like Jake said that it wasn't identified either...


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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: A prediction
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:06:00 GMT

In article <134378@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes...
>Here's my prediction:  Any day now, Charles Packer will announce
>that upon review of the evidence, Hurricane Andrew is a hoax.

You'll have to wait a while longer to see if =your= prediction
is borne out.  But =my= prediction (uttered silently to myself
last weekend) has been fufilled: Somebody on the net has
wondered whether I think the hurricane is a hoax! 


Newsgroups: misc.headlines,rec.autos,rec.railroad
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Photo of grade-crossing accident
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:31:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.143939.3737@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>	F=ma
>
>	Calculate the mass of the train, multiply it by how fast it was going,
>then see what you'd look like after standing in front of it. :)

KE = 1/2 mv^2
p = mv

try those.
-teddy
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: pjl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul J Landsberg)
Subject: Just more idiocy from NYC and our political hacks
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:18:56 GMT

Ah yes, another beautiful sunny day in NYC.  Let's skim through
the local corruption and idiocy that runs rampant here.  Hmmmm.
...I see that our fire department training facility has had its
specially designed, propane burning, simulated fire training 
facility "out of order" for the past two years.  I guess Dumb
Dave Dinkins figures the fire fighters can practice on real
fires.  Hell, we know that your chances of surviving a heart
attack in NYC are lower than 1 in 10 based on EMS response,
why not match that with your firefighters.

Whoops, look no further, the city comptroller, Liz Holtzman
(another weasel running for office) found that the Health Department
inspectors had been goofing off.  Let's read a little closer and
find out that there are 6 inspectors and 1 supervisor assigned to
inspect almost 3000 public and private day-care facilities.
Doing rough math, 3000/6 = 500.  So each inspector must inspect
500 centers a year.  Yup yup yup, I'm sure they won't miss much.
Especially after they fill out everything in triplicate.

To close this drama off in the distance we see Mario Cuomo in a
clown suit and Dave Dinkins in a dog suit sining "Gimme mo' money"
to anyone who passes nearby.

Paul Landsberg

Newsgroups: misc.headlines,rec.autos,rec.railroad
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Photo of grade-crossing accident
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:12:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.172522.7414@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
>adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>
>>packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>
>>>[questioning of bizarre grade crossing accident scene deleted]
>
>>Given the force of a train moving at even a slow speed, nothing that
>>happened as a result of this would surprise me.  I've seen quite a few
>>train/car accidents just after they happened.  And films of car/train
>>accidents show pieces and parts flying everywhere.
>
>>Do you believe ANYTHING?
>
>My father took pictures of grade crossing accidents for a living (he
>was a railroad Special Agent) and believe me, just about anything can
>happen when, as they say in the business, "the race for the crossing
>ended in a tie." Rapid transfers of kinetic energy can be tricky.
>

Note that what Mr. Packer finds strange is the 90 degree angle at
which the tail pipe is sticking out of the ground.  A simple
explanation would be that the photographer chose to stand at that
particular spot, with the tail pipe at that particular angle.  It
would have looked nicer, perhaps, in his eyes.  Note tht that the
actual angle of the tail pipe is probably not 90 degrees.


--
"There's one reborn every minute."
		-- Dalai Dan, 153rd Reincarnation of the Lama.
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Somalia
From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 09:23:44 PDT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Keywords: where to find out more info
Summary: looking for info

Hello, could anyone help me out with either the correct newsgroup
or any other info as to what is happening behind the scenes in Somalia
or even a net adress there...? thanx and cheers

           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64  
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From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.EDU (R. Mandock)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: The REAL Reagan Record
Keywords: Reagan, economics, media
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:06:16 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

For those who would like a detailed analysis of the Reagan era that is NOT
filtered through Harel Barzilai's "Hate America" newsgroup or laundered by
the BIG MEDIA, I highly recommend the 31 August 1992 issue of National
Review magazine.  The entire issue is intended to address the lies and
distortions of the popular and not-so-popular American press, concerning
the Reagan era.  No apologies needed.

-- 
MANDOCK,R.
Internet: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,rec.autos,rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Photo of grade-crossing accident
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:35:38 GMT
 <26AUG199207522239@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1992Aug26.145524.20367@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: SPSS Inc.

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>In article <26AUG199207522239@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>>
>>At any rate, I don't think I'd buy a car whose exhaust system
>>can come off as a unit like that. The lack of bends in it 
>>(except for the ones that routed it around projections on
>>the underside of the car) suggests that it wasn't wrenched off,
>>but just popped off. Incidentally, there is no sign of a
>>catalytic converter, either. Could it have been right next to
>>the engine? 

>I always thought that exhaust pipes are relatively loose: they
>are not welded into the car, but are attached with a few fastners.
>I don't know.

Yes...mufflers are attached with brackets.  The bracket would certainly be
much more likely to give under stress than any other portion of the
undercarraige than the brackets are welded/bolted to.

 -Steve
--
 The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
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From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:51:37 GMT

pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:

>In the 1930's there was a failure to understand the dangers of
>protectionism, and an obsession with budget deficits (at the
>expense of economic growth).
>In the 1970's Keynesianism became a false idol, as economic policy tried
>to fiscally tinker with demand and macroeconomic issues, while structural
>problems were left untended (creating stagflation).
>In the 1990's, our failure to control govt spending, with a budget
>that is about 70% "entitlements", has paralyzed our ability to
>effectively make wise decisions, such as enact pro-growth tax cuts,
>or even create Govt "infrastructure".

>More details on 20's/30's, 60's/70's and 80's/90's

[deleted]

>Notice that in *all* cases, there was an intervening situation of
>increased taxes, tariffs, regulation, or combinations of these.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am always amazed at how people claim to understand business cycles
so well when most economists are of the opinion that they are among
the most poorly understood of economic phenomena.

Let me point out some possible alternative "explanations."  The
Kennedy and Reagan tax cuts (together with the Vietnam war and War on
Poverty during the 60s) generated large government deficits.  There is
no way to sort out whether or not the resulting "booms" were due to
lower tax rates or due to Keynesian style deficit spending.  Second,
isn't it possible that the inflation in the 70s had something to do
with the enormous run-ups in oil prices by OPEC in '73 and '79 rather
than do to "bad policy" by the U.S. government?  Third, I find it
plausible that both the recession of 1979-81 and the ensuing drop in
inflation and economic recovery were as much due to the radical change
in monetary policy introduced by the Fed in the late 70s as they were
due to changes in fiscal / regulatory policies.

I am _not_ suggesting that my alternative theories are right and
others are wrong.  Instead, I am suggesting that the evidence about
"causality" for business cycles is pretty weak.

--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
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From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:31:43 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:
>>
>> I am always amazed at how people claim to understand business cycles
>> so well when most economists are of the opinion that they are among
>> the most poorly understood of economic phenomena.
>>
>> Let me point out some possible alternative "explanations."  The
>> Kennedy and Reagan tax cuts (together with the Vietnam war and War on
>> Poverty during the 60s) generated large government deficits.  There is

>	Jesusssss Christ.  You post 500 lines explaining that tax cuts generate
>growth (and more revenues) and someone still comes along trotting out the old
>"tax cuts equals deficits".

>	SPENDING BEYOND REVENUE INTAKE CREATES DEFICITS.  PERIOD.

Jesus Christ yourself.  Any economic model that resolves into a
handful of slogans like the above is far too simplistic to be
useful.  Spending beyond revenue intake can have any of a number
of effects, depending on the overall state of government finances
at the time, how much slack there is in the economy, and what
that spending is used for.

>> I am _not_ suggesting that my alternative theories are right and
>> others are wrong.  Instead, I am suggesting that the evidence about
>> "causality" for business cycles is pretty weak.

>	Hmmm, well.  The evidence points to the legitimate success of
>supply-side economics.  Growth is spurred by putting more disposable income
>into the economy.  Production is spurred by providing more investment funds
>(e.g., don't tax capital gains).
>	Competition is spurred by keeping government out of the way of
>business.

More matras, none of which are always true.  If you remember, a
counterexample for the last was the cable tv industry in Arizona
(or New Mexico?), offered on the net in the past month.

>	There's the US in the 80s, and Mexico today.  What more proof do you
>want?  Eastern Europe tomorrow?

The US in the '80s didn't have sustainable growth.  Mexico today
has still got a lot of problems.  Eastern Europe tomorrow I would
have believed in if the Western industrialized countries had invested
there enough; as it is, we'll see.
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  Still shone the candlelight on the empty screen, after the power went.
From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: No U.S. Help for Bosnia
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:01:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/816 - The Wrong Num, Jersey City NJ

Acting Secretary of State Larry Eagleburger departed for London on Saturday, to attend negotiations on the worsening civil war in what used to be Yugoslavia.

When Yugoslavia was still Yugoslavia, between 1986-88, Eagleburger (dubbed "Lawrence of Serbia" by State Department colleagues) took a leave of absence from government service to obtain U.S. banking charters (and taxpayer- guaranteed deposit insurance, shades of BCCI and BNL) for the Serbian- controlled Bank of Llubjianna.

Eagleburger received salary, commissions, fees and stock totalling over $2 million from Kissinger Associates and the bank, which was and is controlled by senior members of the Serbian-dominated Yugoslav government.  Larry succeeded in obtaining a U.S. charter for the bank.

On his departure for London, Acting Secretary Eagleburger said he didn't hold out much hope of a negotiated settlement of the Balkan civil war.

And he's in a position to know, don't you think?

Best,
  Clark


--  
Clark Matthews - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,sci.econ
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:42:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Btp1Gw.Lo6@newcastle.ac.uk> Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes:
>>	Jesusssss Christ.  You post 500 lines explaining that tax cuts generate
>>growth (and more revenues) and someone still comes along trotting out the old
>>"tax cuts equals deficits".
>
>>	SPENDING BEYOND REVENUE INTAKE CREATES DEFICITS.  PERIOD.
>
>Jesus Christ yourself.  Any economic model that resolves into a
>handful of slogans like the above is far too simplistic to be
>useful.  Spending beyond revenue intake can have any of a number
>of effects, depending on the overall state of government finances
>at the time, how much slack there is in the economy, and what
>that spending is used for.

  Sorry Chris, but spending beyond revenue creates a current accounts
  deficit (by definition) and the current accounts deficit is what 
  is being referred to by the "budget deficit".    

  Those other things may be relevant to whether it might be a reasonable
  thing to run a current accounts deficit, or whether you actually go 
  into debt (you can run a deficit without going into debt by spending 
  your reserves, selling assets, etc).  


>>	Hmmm, well.  The evidence points to the legitimate success of
>>supply-side economics.  Growth is spurred by putting more disposable income
>>into the economy.  Production is spurred by providing more investment funds
>>(e.g., don't tax capital gains).
>>	Competition is spurred by keeping government out of the way of
>>business.
>
>More matras, none of which are always true.


   This is the problem on both sides of the issue.  None of the
   traditional "isms" or mantras really provide the thinking person
   with anything to hang his hat on.  There are too many counterexamples
   to both models and everything in between to have any faith in them.
   And "faith" is the key word here: economics is not a sufficiently
   rigorous science to have much useful predictive value, so economic 
   theories are more religion than science.

   And I this is true in another sense:  It is my personal opinion
   that many true believers in this or that social/economic "ism",
   on the left, right, or elsewhere, are motivated by the same thing
   which motivates religious fundamentalists -- needing to find some
   "order", some "explanation", some "rules" in a chaotic universe.  
   


---peter
From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Was Chicago Mayor Murdered?
Organization: LSI Logic/Headland Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:42:51 GMT

In article <139950.2A9A457C@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) writes:
>When he suffered the seizure, Washington was not taken to a nearby
>emergency room, but instead was rushed to a "Seizure Clinic" that is
>directly linked to a Federal District Court judge who has figured in
>numerous National Security cases and has connections to the
>"intelligence community" and -- believe it or not -- to people involved
>in RELIGIOUS BROADCASTING and OVERSEAS ATTACK HELICOPTER SALES. 

Wow, this sounds like a scenario from a rousing game of "Illuminati".  

OK, I'll connect the Mafia and the L-4 Society to the Religious
Broadcasters, and connect the Orbital Mind-Control Lasers and
the Cattle Mutilators to the Attack Helicopter Salesmen...

-- 
Mike Van Pelt          | What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth?
LSI Logic/Headland     | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com      | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
sun!indetech!hsv3!mvp  | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry
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From: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:00:57 GMT
Reply-To: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Followup-To: witless
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Aug26.130122.3753@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>
>	Read "The Seven Fat Years".  It is largely a case of guilt-complexes
>and faulty conclusions.

Easy to say, difficult to verify.  Written any books lately?

>	Remember the people decrying "greedy yuppies" buying VCRs?  How people
>were starving in Africa while we drove our BMWs?  Well people were starving
>before the 80s, and they are still starving today.  As sane people tried to say
>in the 80s, it has nothing to do with US consumption.

Arguing with you seems to be fruitless, but ...

Statistics abound (I'm sure you've seen some, and I don't have them on
line) taht say, in as few words as possible, 'the rich got richer and the
poor got poorer?' (in the United States) (dragging Africa in to this is a
rather red herring).  By 'statistics' I'm not referring to hypothesis
testing, I'm referring to data gathered from real events.

As far as greedy yuppies and their accoutrements, I've recently seen them
losing their hot jobs and therefore forfeiting their buy-now-pay-later
goods; (kind of like the US in the 1980s then 1990s) primarily because the
false economic growth caused the formation of a large number of companies
which are not competitive.   Sure was a boon for the suited dudes on the
street - events like 'corporate raiding' became so common that the words
are now part of everyday vocabulary.  This happened in the 1980s, in the
United States.

>	As detailed in part 3 of the "Derailing" series, Mexico has proven that
>the way to rebuild your society is by providing economic opportunity for all. 

>..supply side economics is the best way to [ follow Mexico (!) to prosperity (!)]

This is a subjective conclusion, and is not supported by this evidence.

Mexico is a third world country.  They are not starting with a populace
that is as [ economically ] sophisticated as that of the US.  Saying the
same approach will work for an economy as mature as that of the United
States is naive.  Try running an apple through an orange juicer.  goop.