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From: vicb@clark.edu (Victor Bruhn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Need help with OPUS
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:00:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Oct14.200033.7808
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

Greetings,

I am having a bit of a problem getting access to the charting features of
OPUS 2.2.  After running the Assigner.prg and FONTWID.PRG, I get a 
message from OPUS that screen and printer fonts don't match.  Anybody
out there familiar with this problem?  I've gone back and started from
scratch on my GDOS installation.  I have original GDOS Distribution
and Fonts/Driver disks, and also have tried it with G+Plus.  A friend
tried it for me on his system too and he got the same result.
I'm using a 2 meg STe, OPUS works perfectly other than this.

Help!!!

Victor Bruhn
vicb@clark.edu
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP! Stuck in some Fantasy games
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:17:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Kos Petoussis asked about several games:
 
In Chaos Strikes Back, you have to be very agile to get the
Corbum from the niche..
 
Be sure you're not overly emcumbered, ie: no Load in the yellow..
 
Try placing your on-screen hand about where the Corbum will be
when you reach it, so you can grab it even if you do fall through
the pits..
 
Also, be sure to use the keyboard cursor keys to move.. the
mouse is just tooooo slow...
 
BobR
From: jvt@its.bt.co.uk (John Trickey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: How?
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:57:47 GMT
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <1992Oct12.025250.10438@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>
>Something I've wondered ever since I bought my first computer (around 6th
>grade)....How does one go about learning to program in assembly language? 
>There really aren't any words are there?  It doesn't seem like it could be the
>same as learning BASIC, Pascal, or COBOL...is it?
>

If you try to learn assembler with no previous programming knowledge, the task
is daunting and you are likely to end up being able to write programs, but not
very well. (Risk of starting flame war). My rationale is that while just about
anyone can write programs, it takes skill to write a good program. Good
programs are much more than speed or size although in a few instances these
can be important. The critical issue is maintainability. Yes I know, "you want
to knock up this quick routine to .... and you'll never touch it again'' until
you need to modify it 1/2/... years later and find you cannot remember what
this bit of coding does. The keys to maintainability are structure and
documentation which can be learnt from a high level language.

OK so what does this have to do with your question? I would recommend your
first step is to learn a structured high level language (HLL). Pascal is a good
bet as it is rigid and will not let you get away with much. Basic is a
possibility but it must be a good implementation which enforces structure
{any recommendations ?} as I've seen many an unstructured ``rats nest'' thats
worse than assembler to read. C is not a contender. If you are forced to
use C, then you really should use strict_ansi to get the right level of
checking but even then its too easy to write poor code.

With your HLL under your belt, you can now learn assembler (or C for that
matter). Start by building the assembler equivalent of your HLL
statements. In fact this is a good way to program in assembler anyway
as you can use the HLL statements as comments to your assember, augmenting
the textual statements. In no time you will become familiar with the best
ways of implementing your code and will be ready to use the memory/time
saving techniques but being aware of the above, you will know how to
document them and so be able to understand them next time you look at the
program.

If you're stuck for understanding the translations from HLL to m/c code,
try looking at the object file to see how the compiler did it. If you're
working with C by now, you can use the -S flag and look at the asm output.

Finally, if you want to go the whole hog, learn a structured design method :-)

John
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From: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com (Craig Barnes - Sun UK - Senior Systems Admin N + SW Group Regio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:51:04 GMT
Reply-To: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems


Ladbroke computing are advertising Falcons at 490 UK pounds.

Craig
From: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Weekly Posting of New Stuff
Reply-To: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:33:18 -0500

In <1992Oct10.070112.20563@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, Atari Archive Robot writes:
>  drwxrwx-wx jon	6144	Oct 3 22:33 ./New
>  -rw-rw-rw- ftp	35552	Oct 3 22:29 ./New/ckartdoc.lzh
>  -rw-rw-rw- ftp	32882	Oct 3 22:13 ./New/ckartdoc.zip
>  -rw-rw-rw- ftp	15360	Oct 3 22:13 ./New/crakdoce.zip
>  -rw-rw-rw- ftp	35552	Oct 3 22:29 ./New/crakdoce.lzh
>  -rw-rw-rw- ftp	15360	Oct 3 22:44 ./New/crackeng.zoo

are these just duplicate copies of the crackart 1.0 english docs??

--- eric
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From: mbaffoni@skat.usc.edu (Michael Baffoni)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STZIP-2 Problems
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:09:19 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <hjv.718984462@groucho.phil.ruu.nl> hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks) writes:
>>H*ll, I can't even get the stupid thing extracted. I downloaded
>>STZIP20.TOS twice, tried to run it, but it just returns to the desktop. 
  [stuff deleted]

>Huh? I have the thing here - and no problems whatsoever... It's great IMO.
>I got it from AA right after it was uploaded. Maybe it's corrupted in the
>meantime?

	I tried to download it, and it had the same errors - it would not
extract.  However, I downloaded stzip20.lzh from GEnie and it seems to work
just fine.  I recently looked into A.A. and could not find it anywhere (not 
even in the New directory).  

	Would anyone mind if I uploaded "stzip20.lzh" up to A.A.?

	Also, does anyone know how the original got corrupted?  I recall that
two people had posted the zip file...perhaps the second person's file was
messed up when they uploaded it, and when the archive person went to delete
one of the files, they deleted the wrong file?  Pure supposition, but the 
other alternative is that A.A. is corrupting files <SHUDDER!>.

>--
>Hendrik Jan Veenstra  |  hjv@phil.ruu.nl  |   You look for your dreams in
>Dept. of Philosophy   |                   |   heaven, but what the hell are
>University of Utrecht |                   |   you supposed to do when they
>The Netherlands       |                   |   come true...?

-Mike




Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks)
Subject: Re: Falcon040 to have 96002 DSP???
Keywords: falcon, 96002
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:43:28 GMT

In <1992Oct8.220427.1133@maths.tcd.ie> rjwalsh@maths.tcd.ie (Robert Walsh) writes:

>I read in a posting in comp.dsp that the Falcon040 will have a
>Motorola 96002 dsp in it. Has anyone heard any other rumors
>about this? If it is true, the the Falcon040 would be a _VERY_
>nice machine...

...and a VERY expensive one... :-(

>-- 
>rjwalsh@maths.tcd.ie    \ Information Technology Dept., Room 24, Annex 5,
>Robert Walsh              \ RTE, Donnybrook,
>Advanced Developement Group \  Dublin 4, Ireland.
>Trinity College, Dublin.      \ Ph: +353-1-643073   FAX: +353-1-643080

Sander SToks
sanders@sci.kun.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich)
Subject: Re: C compiler test (TC 2.0, LC 5.52, GCC 2.1)
Keywords: C
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:40:51 GMT

What types of variables did you use for the "more complex
operations". I understand TC has 64 bits doubles or so which is more
than gcc. 
(I.m not sure about the number, but TC has more I believe)
This can make all rthe difference....

Greetings,


Leon Pillich
University of Nijmegen, Holland
email: leonp@cs.kun.nl
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From: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Xwindows on TT (Re: Falcon 040 / Windowing UNIX)
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:29:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

In article <Bw49oH.G9A@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett) writes:
>In article <1bfo4vINN3ec@skat.usc.edu> mbaffoni@skat.usc.edu (Michael Baffoni) writes:
>>	BTW, I thought that ASV was supposed to be a true SysVR4, not a berkley
>>derivative.  Where'd ya get that info (about being a 4.3BSD derivative)?
>>
>>-Mike
>
>You've got it backwards...sun unix is 4.3bsd derived and asv is svr4 derived.

The whole thread has gotten a little confused. The original question, to
which I was replying, was "Why is X11 on a Sun 3/50 faster than X on the
TT?"

I was pointing out that Sun 3/50 Unix is derived from BSD 4.3, which is
generally faster than SVR4 on the same processor. Yes, I know TT Unix is
indeed SVR4 -- I've used it!

Mat

>Darren King, gbc...gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:46:02 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward) writes:

> Gordon Farrell (gordonf@monashee.sfu.ca) writes:
> > 
> > Well, aside from the cost issue that has been pointed out before (which ma
> > of may not be a lame excuse), I can think of one possible reason for the
> > all-in-one design of the Falcon: musicians.  Not being one, I can only gue
> > but it seems to me that it would be much easier to carry around and set up
> > a one-piece machine for playing shows.  Whenever I see a computer on stage
> > it's usually a laptop, so I guess the fewer the number of pieces, the bett
> > 
> > Any musicians out there who can confire or deny my suppositions?
> 
> According to Bob Brodie, this was THE major reason for the case design. 
> They've had lots of input from musicians (the Falcon's initial projected
> market), most of whom prefer the STfm/e case design.

Then Brodie needs to get a grip.  Musicians who work with MIDI use the
computer for sequencing because of the graphical interface, ease of editing,
etc -- none of which we need live.  Once your sequence has been created and
edited to your satisfaction on a computer, you can dump it to a cheap
hardware sequencer that will suit your needs fine.

In this day and age, when you can buy an Alesis Data Disk for $400 that is
road-worthy and fits in one rack space, there's a scant handful of people
who would rather haul a fragile $1300 computer and monitor to live venues.
A notebook computer, perhaps, but not a full-size machine.

The Falcon does indeed have some nice features for musicians, but the case
design is not one of them.  I use computers in my recording studio
(currently Mega 2 ST and Stacy 2, the latter for studio-to-studio work), and
what I seek in a case design is a moveable keyboard and a professional
appearance -- both of which the 1040-style case lacks.

If I end up getting a Falcon/030, I'm going to stick it in a tower case.

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
Thomas A. Darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * record production * dance re-mixing
darling@cellar.org \\\ music for film * The Cellar BBS:215/654-9184 * FACT
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: carrollw@ucs.orst.edu (William Carroll)
Subject: FOR SALE Disk Drives !!!!!!
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:13:04 GMT

  
   I have the following FOR SALE!!

	ATARI 3.5in DS/DD Disk Drive
	I.B. 5.25in DS/DD Disk Drive
	"Drive Master" switch box (switch between the two drives)
 	
	Will let all go for $200.00 (OBO)

 Call me at (503) 752-1452
		OR
 Email to carrollw @ucs.orst.edu

	Thanks for your time and computer space!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Petra (WAS:Is there a good real-time MOD player for an ST user?
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:16:59 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange


BTW - is there any chance of someone putting Petra through
comp.binaries (or whatever it is now), or sending it to
atari.archive??  Sounds interesting!  (Or, if you know an FTP-site
it's available from.....)
-- 
    
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Tramiel's got the spirit (was: New Mac Prices)
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:21:08 GMT

In <BvuLD4.At7@sci.kun.nl> sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks) writes:

>In <1992Oct7.130423.15499@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>[ Stuff deleted about PowerPC and such ]

>>The best thing for Atari Corp. is to sell the company to _RESPONSIBLE_
>>people that really care about the company.
>... and turn it into the umpteenth MS-DOS clone company. No thanks. I
>read somewhere that Tramiel said "We'd rather go bankrupt than make
>boring PC-clones." (or similar). Now THAT's an attitude.

Yes, that's the spirit! I like it.  After  all,  Atari  may  have
marketed  their  machines  in  an  unprofessional  way,  but  the
computers themselves are just great. Therefore, the  least  thing
Atari  and  we  need  is  Atari  discontinuing  the  ST-TT-Falcon
computer line and turning around to make boring  clones  or  even
succumb to that Apple hype.

Greetinx, Jan

 +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
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From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ALL FAXED UP
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 00:35:25 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

bill.merik@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bill Merik)  writes:

> I just attempted to use my new Joppa "Straight Fax" program with my new
> Sportster 14,400 FAX. The software does not like the modem, it gives me
> an error message informing me that my Sportster is not a "Type 2"
> faxmodem. Upon closer examination of the box my modem came in, I
> discovered that sure enough, my Sportster is in fact a "group 3" modem.
> How deep doo - doo am I in?
> Bill

It depends whether the fax program will support Type 1 faxes.
( Incidentally, the Type 2 standard has not been settled, and anything
  which claims to be type 2 is actually set up according to the EIA
  provisional spec., which was rejected by the industry. )

Tell the program that you have a type 1 faxmodem, or try sending the
modem the command "AT+FCLASS=6". This may switch it into Type 2 mode
( It does for my Zyxel )

Group 3 is a compression standard for faxes - compression along
                                              the scan line.
Group 4 is 2 dimensional compression. (ie - dependent on the previous
                                            and next scan lines.)

The fax program that I use on my IBM handles group 4 in software.
 ( I don't bother using my Atari for fax work )



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:12:57 -0400 
From: Steven Gemma <sg47+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Boot from B drive

 Marc Bouron@hemlock.cray writes:

>Hi People,

>I'm after an \AUTO program which will allow me to boot from drive B. 
>(My drive
>A is SS.)  I believe such a beat exists, but couldn't spot it when I >scanned
>quickly through a.a's 0index.  Can anyone point me at a suitable source?

I am looking for the same thing.  Please let me know, too, or post the
information.  Thanks.

-Steve
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 14:22:11 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Which programming language?
	<1992Oct08.103917.156196@rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 8-Oct-92 Re: Which programming
langu.. Jan T. Kim@rrz.uni-koeln (1382)
> Does anyone out there have an idea WHY Borland doesn't want there
> to  be an English Pure C manual? I can't seem to see any point in
> such an agreement.

> Greetinx, Jan


Just cause they are #%^@# !!!

Allowing english manuals wouldn't have bring them any MONEY
so that they don't allow it. That's all !

	Stefan

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From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Atari Corp. Scand. AB (Norway)
Subject: Re: Which programming language?
Keywords: C MarkWilliams
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 17:09:10 MET

In <1992Oct07.170129.9404@bnr.ca>, Brian Grier writes:
>As a first programming language I normally would not recommend C. But
>I agree that C offers the best access to the power of GEM. The compiler
>I recommend is Mark Williams C. It comes with a command shell, micro-emacs,
>archiver, make and several useful utilities. It does not come with a source
>debugger, it is available seperataly though it is not the best.
>
>MarkWilliams C (MWC) compiles K&R C not ANSI, but does come with the
>best documentation for an ST, that I have seen. MWC is also very easy to
>install, works well with a Ram-Disk and no HD. MWC is no longer being 
>produced but there are copies available. Atari used to include MWC in its
>developer kit, I'm not sure what they are shipping now.

As a beginners compiler i would NOT recomend MWC. Yes, the documentation
is impressiv, but Lattice C V5.5 has even better documentation, and is much,
much easier to set up than MWC. It supports ANSI C and compiles almost 
everything writen in/for GNU C with little or no modification!
Lattice C5.x is available in both German and English from HiSoft!
(Only thing i don't like about Latice C is the debugger)!

>I currently use PURE C, and recommend it highly to someone that either
>has MWC, or Atari's developer kit as reference material. The orignal name
>of PURE C was Borland Professional C. Borland dropped support but sold the
>source code rights to a German company with the stipulation that they NOT
>translate the manual to english, so you sometimes have to fight the manual
>to find the information you need.
>
>Either of these packages will meet a beginners needs. Though if you purchase
>PURE C you will still need to purchase a set of documents that will allow
>you to program with the AES/VDI.

I agre on this. Pure C makes the fastest code too! And the debugger?! I just
L O V E it!!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson)
Subject: Re: Something about MTOS and TOS 4.0...
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:04:48 GMT

7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith) writes:

>In article <Bvvw8r.D7v@iat.holonet.net>, wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
>> Multi-TOS is a rewrite of the AES. It of course handles all the multi-tasking
>> stuff, But, It Does not include the animated icons, new VDI, etc
>> thats TOS 4.0. 

>Don't believe this.
uh oh.... 

>This is probably information based on rumor based on someone who saw a
>bootleg copy of an old version of the beta test MultiTOS. There are
>some pirate copies of MultiTOS floating around. I've had several people
>in fact write to me with concerns based on this MultiTOS. I can't comment
>on details, but suffice it to say that everything I've heard indicates
>that the bootleg MultiTOS is really out of date. MultiTOS has changed
>a lot, and is still changing.

so multi-tos includes the new graphic enhances as well?
multi-tos and 4.0 mean the same thing? are they "inseperable"?
whats the story?


I have never seen the bootleg copy,I heard this from a developer.
but since you wrote the original, I definately believe you.

Timothy "oops again" Wilson
wilsont@ somewhere else soon.
From: IFF212@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: News about F30/F40
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:45:15 GMT
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

Hi folks,

a friend visited the computer show in  cologne last weekend a talk with some

person of atari germany. He got the information that

The falcon 30 is in the stores,

There is a software product by OVERSCAN (don't know the address) for about DM14
9 ~= US$100 that increases the resolution to about  800x600,

The prototype Falcon 40 exists and WILL have a large case with a lot of slots f
or additional cards.


Markus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (HARRIS JOSHUA WULFSON)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:16:17 GMT


     I own a 1040ST, but I am definately replacing it soon with a
Macintosh or a Falcon or both. I wish there a falcon board so that 
I could find out more about that machine. I've really given up on my
ST; It was great machine when the only mac was a Plus. Now I'm just
making do with it until I can get a new computer.

     -Harris Wulfson
      HJWULFSON@Amherst.edu


   

Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:15235 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:5206
From: osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Falcon and Hard Drives
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:40:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kerRQwe00VoqM5L35u
	<H.osUFPbrUFZg@fredrik.atari.no>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 15-Oct-92 Re: Falcon and Hard
Drives Joern Moe@fredrik.atari. (1352)

> The thing is that the IDE interface was originaly developed for the ST-Book.
> And would you guess it: it is actually the blitterchip that is used as the 
> main part of the IDE interface!!
> I guess the main reason they used IDE internaly is the lower prices on the
> IDE drives. And one of the reasons to also implement SCSI II on the Falcon
> was the large numbers of different devices available for SCSI II. I think of
> things like scanners, tapedrives etc.

> -- 
>   _______________________________________________________
>  / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
> / Oslo, Norway /  Any lack of opinion above is also mine! \
> -----------------------------------------------------------


As far as I know, IDE drives are not that cheaper than SCSI ones.
I can't believe the difference is significant enough to cover the extra cost
of developing the IDE internal interface !

	Stefan

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