HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: ShadowHawk (Re: Image)
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:43:39 GMT

(Chris Wang) writes:

*Does anyone else besides me think that Shadow Hawk is the biggest piece of 
*junk to hit the market? I thought promos (lik the one in Youngblood) were 
*supposed to make you buy the book. Looking at what is was, the art stunk and 
*the writing was the biggest cliche I've ever read.

 I have to agree... I liked Valentino's work on GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY,
 but this is just terrible. As creative as Jim has been in the past,
 I'm surprised that this is all he could come up with for a first issue.

 --
 Michael                      

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From: aph31361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron Hawkins)
Subject: Re: feminist comics?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:46:51 GMT

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but Richard Howell's
_Portia Prinz of the Glamazons_, also published by Eclipse, might
qualify, as long as feminist is interpreted as "portrays women positively",
not "written/drawn by women".  One caveat:  if you find some issues of
_Sandman_ too intelectual, this may not be the book for you.
From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Predator vs. Magnus Questions
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:46:07 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Aug14.012853.7496@bnr.ca>, rutled@bnr.ca (Philip Rutledge)
said:
>lbonham@Osbu_South.Xerox.COM wrote:
>: Is JS (JimShooter) really associated with this?
>
>Yes, he apparently wrote this as one of his last project with Valiant

  Perhaps not. John Ostrander has publicly stated (on Comics-L list!)
that he has been assigned the project and will be writing the cross-over.
He is also the new writer on Magnus starting with issue 21 or 22.

Cheers,
Marshall
--mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
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From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Subject: Peter David biblio?
Followup-To: sender
Originator: news@pms001
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesman for Ford Tech Affairs
Reply-To: Dave Lillard <dwl@deep.mi.org>
Organization: Technical Affairs, Ford Motor Company
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:03:14 GMT

Would someone (maybe PAD, himself) *please* email me a complete bibliography 
of the published works of Peter David.  I believe one was posted not too
long ago.  However, I failed to get a copy; and now I need one - as he's 
scheduled to be a Guest at a local show in September.  Thanx, Dave.

Thanx for helping me, Chad.

Best, Dave.

-- 
Chad Childers                            Work: chad@quality.ta.ford.com
FMEAplus Project Leader                  Home: chad@deep.mi.org
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From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.sex,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cartoon Babes...
Date: 12 Aug 92 07:17:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug10.104537.5485@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:
>In article <77216@ut-emx.uucp>, cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug3.105815.7944@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@esk (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:
>>>What?!?! With the exception (I think) of Chun Li, there are no Japanese-style
>>>characters! What about the infamous Dirty Pair?
>>>Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri!
>><thumbs nose>
>>Kei! Kei! Kei! Kei! Kei! Kei!
>>>Hey, so call me a fanboy!
>>I do believe the proper term is "hentai". :>
>>(BTW, do you think we ought to tell The Boyz AT WPI about this?)
>Don't worry - they already know. It was the Dirty Pair who got me into this mess
>of manga and anime...

I meant, should we mention this thread to them? I mean, it would be, -ahem-,
"interesting" for the rac crowd to see deadshot@wpi.wpi.edu to start posting
again......

>And since you seem to be cheering Kei, can you not be considered hentai as well?

Damn straight. Although "chasing" is not the proper word..... It's easy to be
attracted to a fictional character, but actually -pursueing- them I shall 
leave to to the totally lifeless.

>Here's a strange thought: Kei and Yuri seem to get on pretty well most of the
>time, so why can't we? I mean, a little friendly rivalry, sure, but the Dirty
>Pair is a team :-) Here's us otaku slugging shit out of eachother more than
>Kei would out of a gangster!

"Slugging"? Who's arguing? I was just trying to make a point! (Admittedly, a
very -weird- point, but a point nonetheles.......)



-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: KID QUANTUM = DYNAMO BOY RETCON?
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:06:30 GMT

...someone grab the Adventures between ADV #303 and #312, and describe the "
"Dynamo Boy" sequence for the net, would you?

Some might find it interesting, to say the least...
 
                                                        OM
From: a0v6282@zeus.tamu.edu (Art Velasquez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Atlanta 1996: Dream Olympics
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:19:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     On the Hulk in the long jump, phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu 
(Phaedrus) writes...

>     Now, the long jump would be a bit more difficult.  But I guess they could
>just measure from the crater where he lands. :)

     Of course, the measurement would have to be from the *back* of
the crater.  That should take a few feet off the measurement (as if they
mattered).  Fortunately, Atlanta is in a geologically stable zone. :-)

#     Art Velasquez, Cultural Elitist       a0v6282 @ zeus.tamu.edu    #
#                         Texas A&M University                         #
#----------------------------------------------------------------------#
#             Do not be alarmed.  This is only my opinion.             #
From: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: ECLIPSO checklist
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:28:49 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

I didn't pick up Eclipso right away and sorry now that I realized it crossed
over every DC annual.  I've been scrambling to find any book relating to
the Eclipso saga lately but don't know exactly where I'm going with it. 
I just wanted to know if anybody knew which issues does Eclipso hit and in
which order they're in.  Those little captions at the end of each issue
don't really help.  Thanks in advance...

-- 
     /// A3000-25/52       * Scott Weintraub - Long Island, NY     *   In
    ///  DCTV (yeah!)      * e-mail: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org    *DreAms i
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Guardians (was Re: Marvel 2099)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:02:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.132513.15087@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <3468@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu> husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty) writes:
>
>Oh, please.  Valentino did that in Guardians of the Galaxy.  And it 
>sucked big time (just like the majority of his run on that book - and
>Shadowhawk isn't much better).  Of course, he's off the book as of the
>recent issue (#28 or #29, I'm not sure).  Maybe they'll get someone
>to write it who doesn't feel the need to change every character every
>five issues for no apparent reason.  But knowing Marvel, I doubt it.

Actually, I rather like Guardians. I felt it was one one of the better
Marvels out there (along with the Hulk, New Warriors, and X-Factor).
Nice art, good storyline and Valenteno obviously new where he was going
with the story. To bad Marvel felt they had to punish someone for the
mass defections to Image. If the last issue or two of Guadians without
Valenteno art is any indication, the title may end up on my cancel list
soon.

BTW, I haven't read Shadowhawk yet. It gets here tomorrow, hopefully.
It's reaaly that bad? I reaaly thought it might be the savior of the
Image titles. At least Valenteno can write. Now it looks like
WildC.A.T.S, may be their only hope. At least until Claremont's new
title is released.

*************************************************************************
* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
************************************************************************
* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
************************************************************************

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Marvel 2099 titles (Jester)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:42:32 GMT

As to Doom 2099, we've already seen a version of Vic living into the (i 
believe) 25th Century (or was it 23rd?) in Iron Man #250.  By that point he was
a rather pitiable cyborg (brain in a box robotman style).  Hopefully Doomsie 
won't have degenerated that far yet.
     Dave Van Domelen, had made up a tagline regarding Monistat 7, but decided 
it was far too sick for even this jaded group of thrillseekers
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Subject: Sandman (spoilers)
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:21:57 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

Spoiler Warning for latest Sandman Issue

I can't believe it!  Aaaarrrrggggghhhh!!!!!!

Dream tells his staff to not talk about his past love affair,
AND THEY DON'T!

Oh, well, perhaps he'll open up to Del.

Is it just me or was Jill Thompson's art better the previous issue?

Joel
-- 
jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 it was all in your mind" -- Alfred Hitchcock
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Punisher 2099
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:55:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.195251.12209@microsoft.com> richgu@microsoft.com (Richard Guion) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.172938.14256@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>The rumor that I had heard about this book was that the creative team would
>be Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neil, the same team that created Marshaw Law.  As
>I am a big Marshall Law fan, I'm really excited about this if it is true.
>These guys will deliver a book with an edge that most of the Marvel books
>lack.

I had a flyer which stated all the creative teams, but don't have it
handy. I know Pat Mills is doing it, but I am fairly certain that
O'Neill is not involved. To bad, it would have been great, but probably
not as funny as Martial Law.

-Craig

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From: hutch@hutch (Stephen Hutchison)
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:59:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.140145.16334@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:
>Okay, gents/ladies, I give up.
>I don't get it.

Admitting his cluelessness, the intrepid midnight continues with a handful
of casual slurs:

>Did Rob Liefield beat up your collective sisters, or something?  Did he insult
>your grandma?  Does he make obscene phone calls to your local pastor?  Does he
>hang cute little bunny rabbits by their ears?  What?  What?

Simple.  He took a group of characters who were popular and well-liked,
and completely *ucked them up.  He introduced bad story elements, stupid
character designs, started interfering with writing (something he can
barely do - I suspect the reason he wanted to pay by check in the infamous
incident at SanDiego was because he'd recently learned to write his name in
script) ... and in very short order, took something which had been spoiled
and turned it into a radioactive festering cancerous boil.

And he has the unmitigated gall to become an egotistical maniac about
the whole thing.  It wouldn't be so bad if the child were totally without
redeeming characteristics.  He's got definite talent.  If not, we could
just laugh him away.  But he's got a LOT of potential, he could really
be a great artist and storyteller, if he weren't convinced that he's
already the greatest contribution to civilization since flush toilets.

>(Before anyone rises up in fury and label me fanboy:  a) I personally don't
>care for his art and b) I don't read his books.  However, I can forgive him for
>not being my favorite/artist writer.  What the hell.  I don't know him.  He
>doesn't know me.  It's nothing personal.)

Then you have no basis for defending him, do you?

>::scratching head::  
>
>Jest puzzled.  I'll entertain adult discussion (read: if you
>rant/rave/drool/name call at me, it's not worth my while to read your letter)
>by email, so as not to clutter up this newsgroup.  Since I guess I'm the only
>one who doesn't hate this guy....   :)

Isn't that SPECIAL... How good of you to condescend to entertain our
discussion if it meets your standards.  How ... kind.  We scrape in adulation.

>Cheers,

Hiss boo bah.

Hutch  (Incendiary)
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From: yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank Tsai-Yuan Chen)
Subject: Youngblood #3?
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:15:41 GMT

I know Youngblood is not popular in this group but I was wondering if
anyone knows when Youngblood #3 is coming out. I don't see it in
comic ordering guide like Advance Comics. Could Image be halting it
temporarily?
From: jdemarco@FTP.COM (Jim DeMarco)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Harbinger 0 and coupon questions
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:23:05 GMT
Reply-To: jdemarco@FTP.COM
Distribution: rec.arts.comics
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA

I have two questions:

  (1) Does anyone know whether Valiant is still accepting coupons for
      Harbinger 0?  There was an editorial in a recent issue that
      indicated H#0 will be delayed until November[?], but it wasn't
      clear that Valiant would still accept the coupons until then
      (only that H#0 won't ship before that time).

  (2) Originally Valiant claimed that the *only* way to get Harbinger 0
      was to send in the coupons.  The recent editorial seems to imply
      that this is no longer true.  I got the impression that the coupons
      will entitle one to the "Deluxe Harbinger 0" (probably limited),
      but this does not preclude the possibility of a "run-of-the-mill"
      Harbinger 0.  One dealer told me that Harbinger 1-6 was going to
      be published as a Graphic Novel and that Harbinger 0 would be
      included.  Can anyone point me to "official" details?  Alas, I
      managed to get the complete H 1-6 late at night on July 31 (so
      there was no way I could send the coupons postmarked before the
      "official" deadline).  <sigh!>

--Jim
From: Mr_b
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The most influential comic books of all time...
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:07:12 GMT
Organization: LMSC

>In article <4574@rosie.NeXT.COM> erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) writes:
>>
>>I'd have to say Suicide Squid #24 (first run). Without a doubt.

>Is this a real comic book? I always thought that it was a joke crated
                                                         ^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^
>by some net people. If it is real, can you tell me where I can find
>a copy?

That would be the boX-Men, who have always taken themselves too
seriously, anyway.
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: WILDC.A.T.S.?!?
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:08:02 GMT

mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:

>There's also some other stuff there, like a 'Future Site of Image Comics' sign,
>'CYBER'-something written on something, I presume this is supposed to be
>CYBERFORCE, and a couple of boxes with 'Miller Beer' and 'Mazzi... Candy' (sorry
>can't remember the guy's full name...you get the idea though). There seem to be 
>a few references to X-Men too, such as a 'Dr. McCoy', and I'm *sure*  that
>I can see Storm dancing in the background of one of the strip club panels...I've
>probably missed some other stuff too. 
>I must say I enjoyed it in a kind of trashy-X-Men kind of way. It looks quite
>fun, more enjoyable than recent X-Men issues anyway. I'll certainly give the
>next couple of issues a chance.

Miller beer referring to Frank Miller? I dont have WildCATS yet.
Mazzi.... referring to Mazzachelli or whatever his name is? I
didn't think Jim Lee had respect for other artists. Does anyone
else think the Image crew are sucking up to all the old classic
artist and writers. Spawn #1 dedicated to Jack Kirby. I just 
saw a photo of Mr 501s (we dont have the ad in australia yet)
and he looks just like most of his male characters!

Jed
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From: praxis@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Laura L Perkinson)
Subject: A REAL Sandman question
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:25:24 GMT

	OK, Death, Dream, Desire and Despair are drawn as having chalk
white skin. Destiny, Destruction and Delirium are drawn with normal
caucasian tones. (This aside from malleable appearances for Dream + Desire)
	Is there ANY possible significance to this? Darned if I can figure
any.
	Praxis

	"I reject the notion that I lack humor."
		-Dream, Ambush Bug Nothing Special #1 (Buy it!)
From: lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Valiant, hello anyone out there?
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:25:00 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

I know that Valiant is a small company with only 1/20th of the market share
but i was just wondering am I the only 'Valiant Zombie' out there.  I have seen less then 10 posts in the last 2 weeks on Valiant books and am just wondering
if anyone else finds them very refreshing...now i'm not saying their Sandman
but for super here comics IMO (not IMHO) Valinat makes the best of em...

It will be intresting to see how Mr. Shooter's departure from valiant affects
it's future. Already i have seen a noticable dip in quality following the 
'Unity' Crossover series...

well thats all from this fanitical Valiant collocter (50 valiant books a month)

-morgan
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:34:55 GMT

midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com (Dr. Midnight) writes:
>Did Rob Liefield beat up your collective sisters, or something?  Did he insult
>your grandma?  Does he make obscene phone calls to your local pastor?  Does he
>hang cute little bunny rabbits by their ears?  What?  What?

Would destroying some of your favorite comic books, then copping the
attitude that this is the best thing that he could ever have done for
you, and that this qualifies him for nigh-godhood, be enough?  He
exemplifies everything that people hate about the big two.

-- 
No matter where you turn, there's a decision to be made.  Life or death.
Right or wrong.  Regular or crunchy. -- Punisher
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From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.sex,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cartoon Babes...
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:15:56 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

> >>What?!?! With the exception (I think) of Chun Li, there are no Japanese-style
> >>characters! What about the infamous Dirty Pair?
> >>Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri! Yu-ri!

OK, I'll add one of my favorites:

Maeter from "Galaxy Express 999"

Seems as if she's "flashed" everyone in the galaxy but me.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
{murphy | philabs}!dwrsun4!perl
	-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"
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From: cwang@gsb.columbia.edu (Chris Wang)
Subject: Black Orchid
Organization: Columbia Business School
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:18:28 GMT

Does anybody know anything about the comic Black Orchid by Gaiman? I saw the 
TPB in the store the other day and wasn't sure if it was any good. The art 
looked nice. Any and all opinions are welcome.

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From: sherman@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: SHADE/DOOM PATROL/HELP!!!!
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:39:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.223238.1815@bvc.edu> daikerjohnc@bvc.edu writes:
>
>     I wasn't sure if I should buy it or not when I first saw it. I'm currently
>trying to collect the entire Doom Patrol series (and am looking for all the
>Doom Patrol's guest appearances, also. I know there was a cameo in "The
>Extinction Agenda" in JLI, and if anyone knows any others, please tell me!) 
>and didn't think I could afford to retrace the entire series. Then I saw
>issues #'s 1-10 on sale for $14.95...

There's the Doom Patrol / Suicide Squad Special, Superman #20, and
Invasion #2 and #3.  These are all appearances of the Kupperberg
version of the DP.

--
   Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
"And who might you be, sirrah?"  "I, foppish though I am, might be
  .... the Scarlet Pumpernickel?" -Sylvester (as Basil Rathbone)
  and Daffy Duck (as Errol Flynn), "The Scarlet Pumpernickel"
From: greenidd@CS.ColoState.EDU (danielle greenidge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Worse Comics of all Time
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:48:28 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

>In article <1992Aug12.182734.21520@pacdata.uucp> jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins) writes:
>>Has anyone but me noticed that NONE of the Marvel titles are any good?
>
Is Excalibur being published by some company other than Marvel?  :)  I will
be the first to admit that some of the issues during Davis' absence from the
book were awful (true, the dialogue remained witty most of the time, but the
art was HORRIBLE!!!), but now that he's back....  *swoon*

Maybe you just aren't reading the right Marvel titles, Jim. :)


Until Nightcrawler becomes a cross-dresser, make mine Excalibur!!

Danielle.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: For Sale!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:06:56 GMT

For Sale: One Wolverine, excessively overused, but still has some mileage left 
if you really squeeze him.  Mid 70's model, with plenty of bodywork and 
late-model patches.  Doesn't hold together terribly well and emits fumes, but 
as long as you slap on a fresh coat of paint every so often it'll be fine.  
Comes complete with user's manual of hackneyed phrases and spare origin just in
case the current one falls apart under its own weight.
     Dave Van Domelen, reupholstering not included
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