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From: pope@gold.kpc.com (John Pope)
Subject: Endgame vocabulary
Organization: /nfs/gold/u/home/pope/.organization
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:47:59 GMT

The other day I was in a chess club watching some experts and masters
look at a well-known endgame position (see Centurini below). They were
not able to solve it in the 20-30 minutes I was there, which led me to
believe that the technique involved was not as well-known as I
thought. Anyway, I thought I'd post the five most famous didactic
endgames I could think of, for those that are interested (and still
reading this group). Solutions posted next year. Enjoy!


	(Reti 1922)

         8 - - - - - - - K
         7 - - - - - - - -
         6 k - P - - - - -
         5 - - - - - - - p	White: Kh8, Pc6
         4 - - - - - - - -	Black: Ka6, Ph5 
         3 - - - - - - - -
         2 - - - - - - - -
         1 - - - - - - - -
           a b c d e f g h


	White to play and draw


	
	(Saavedra 1895)	

         8 - - - - - - - -
         7 - - - - - - - -
         6 - K P - - - - -
         5 - - - r - - - -	White: Kb6, Pc6
         4 - - - - - - - -	Black: Ka1, Rd5 
         3 - - - - - - - -
         2 - - - - - - - -
         1 k - - - - - - -
           a b c d e f g h

	White to play and win


	(Em. Lasker 1890)

         8 - - K - - - - -
         7 - - P - - - - R
         6 k - - - - - - -
         5 - - - - - - - -	White: Kc8, Rh7, Pc7
         4 - - - - - - - -	Black: Ka6, Rc2, Ph2
         3 - - - - - - - -
         2 - - r - - - - p
         1 - - - - - - - -
           a b c d e f g h

	White to play and win

	(Centurini)

         8 - - K B - - - -
         7 - P - - - - - -
         6 - - k - - - - -
         5 - - - - - - - -	White: Kc8, Bd8, Pb7
         4 - - - - - - - -	Black: Kc6, Bh2
         3 - - - - - - - -
         2 - - - - - - - b
         1 - - - - - - - -
           a b c d e f g h

	White to play and win



	(Troitsky 1896)

         8 - - - - k - - -
         7 - - - - - - - -
         6 - - - - - - - -
         5 - - - - - - p P	White - Kh2, Bg4, Ph5
         4 - - - - - - B -	Black - Ke8, Pg5
         3 - - - - - - - -
         2 - - - - - - - K
         1 - - - - - - - -
           a b c d e f g h

	White to play and win

--
John Pope
pope@kpc.com
Kubota Pacific Computers, Inc.
(408) 987-3362
From: pals@ipact.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Nice Pieces!
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:23:19 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

In article <1992Dec29.171625.25003@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, 
jacobson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Eliot T. Jacobson ) writes:
> mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.083303.179@ipact.com> pals@ipact.com writes:

>>>I received one of the Kasparov chess sets that USCF sells (Garry-6) for
>>>Christmas.  It is a beautiful set - the nicest I've ever used...
>>
>>Kasparov Schmasparov!  Actually, I do believe it's a good set,
>>but something about it bothers me.  Maybe it's the ads in Chess Life. ...
> 
> The problem with the chess life add is that stupid picture of the
> girl with her hand over the pieces saying that Kasparov wanted them to
> be designed to fit perfectly with the shape of the hand.  What bull....

I'm also less than impressed with the Chess Life advertising (and perhaps
also the naming) of this set.  "Following the curve of the human hand"
aside, the rooks are larger in proportion to the other pieces than most
other sets, which I like.

I guess part of the reason I posted was I thought that people might be
put off by the CL ads.  If you want a great set of pieces, ignore the
ads and buy them anyway.  And _Chess Life_, if you're listening, just
give us a simple ad with a picture (life size maybe?) of the pieces
and a short blurb about how nice they really are.

-- 
Randy Pals                |pals@ipact.com
IPACT, Inc.               |
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From: colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby)
Subject: Re: Gruenfeld Exchange Variation (Browne - I. Gurevich, US Ch. 1992)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 21:22:43 GMT

mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg) writes:


>After 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cd Nd5 5. e4 Nc3 6. bc Bg7
>      7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 Nc6 9. Be3 O-O 10. Rc1 cd 11. cd Qa5+
>     12. Kf1,

>I. Gurevich played 12...Rd8?? and was crushed after the obvious
>13. Qb3 e6 14. d5 Ne5 15. de Nc4 16. ef Kh8 17. Qc4, being two pawns down
>without compensation.

>After the main line 12...Bd7 13. h4 Rfc8 14. h5,

>what's the current status of 14...e5!? - Byrne mentions a game
>Ionescu-Rogozenko, Romania 1992 without further moves.  14...Nd8, as
>in Shirov-I. Gurevich, Chile 1990 or Shirov-Ernst, Lloyds Bank 1991,
>looks too passive.

>-mark

What happened to 13...h5 as suggested by Botvinnik and Ginsberg  in
Chess Chow?

		ken colby

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From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: Re: Harper Challenged!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:22:20 GMT

It would have been ridiculous, but I don't think a tie-break would have been
required.  You've heard the last from me on dmc - I don't think he'll get
many offers like the one I made.
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Washington Square Park (was harvard square speed)
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:16:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24476
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <1992Dec23.1528.9333@channel1> "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com> writes:

> I saw this.  A man walked up to Murray Turnbull, the Harvard Square
> master, with his "nephew" in tow, and said, here, why don't you play
> him.

In a similar vein...

I heard a story about a chessplayer -- oh, about 2200 or so -- who was
in New York for a tournament.  Walking through Washington Square Park
he found a number of people playing chess.  Thinking he would pick up
some quick change, he accepted one of their offers of a game, only to
be utterly destroyed.  He was so demoralized that he went home again
without playing in the tournament.

Waiting for him when he got home was his copy of `Chess Life;' on the
cover was the person who had beaten him so badly in the park.  It was
Roman Dzindzichashvili, who was in New York for the same tournament.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
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From: ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel)
Subject: Re: just a point of view
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:49:08 GMT

In article <1i03ahINNi9q@agate.berkeley.edu> kurtovic@gold.cchem.berkeley.edu (Zoran Kurtovic) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.152356.20083@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel) writes:
>>As I understand it, the sanctions apply to all the states which
>>were part of the former Yugoslavia.  This includes Bosnia.
>
>This couldn't be any farther from the truth.  There is an arms embergo on
>all of the former Yugoslav republics ...
>  it was decided to impose economic sanctions 
>against Serbia-Montenegro to try to persuade them to stop attacking.
>
>So Bosnia is NOT under any sanctions.  They are only prevented from
>buying arms, as are Slovenia and Croatia prevented from buying arms.

I stand corrected.  Thanks, Zoran, for the explanation.

Ed Hummel
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
From: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford )
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:48:45 -0600
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University

     First, dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu offers:

>>>Oh sorry, next time unless it is posting of a game record, I'll route it
>>>through you for you approval.

     And then, when the offer is accepted, he replies:

>Eugene, if you do not how to operate your killfile, contact your computer
>services people. It really is not that hard.

     Really?  Thank you so much.  If you took as much time to answer
     your e-mail (containing serious responses) as you did fiddling
     around with ad hominem stuff, much of this traffic would be off-
     line, among the folks who care.  But of course, obfuscatory
     avoidance of arguments works much better over an unfocused and
     wider channel.

     If we all ignore this thread, it will go away...  Sigh.  I guess
     *will* have to create a kill file after all.

     ObChess:  There has been some discussion of Cochrane's Gambit
     in the Petrov in the last few months.  Could someone please
     point me toward the relevant sources (either published analysis
     or archives of the rec.games.chess discussion)?  Thanks.

-- 
~~~~ Eugene Wallingford   ~~~~  Dept of Computer Science     ~~~~
~~~~ wallingf@cs.uni.edu  ~~~~  University of Northern Iowa  ~~~~
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:17:10 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec21.045954.5444@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
> In article <1gtseiINNfn2@tamsun.tamu.edu> sharring@cs.tamu.edu (Steven L Harrington) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec18.210943.10605@midway.uchicago.edu> hau4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>In article <1gpafnINN8bb@tamsun.tamu.edu> sharring@cs.tamu.edu (Steven L Harrington) writes:
>>>>
>>>>                   Couldn't we better use that "slot" in prison for housing
>>>>someone that is an actual threat to society?
>>>
>>>By your logic, we should pardon WWII war criminals who are now 80+ years old
>>>and definitely do not pose any actual threat to society.
>>>
>>>	Sven
>>>
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but WWII war criminals were guilty of comitting
>>_crimes_ (important word here).
> 
> So is Fischer (unless he successfully pleads insanity). 

Please go back and read the posts to find where this thread of debate has
ALREADY gone...



> 
> True, the crimes of the Nazi bunch were more severe, but they also received
> more severe punishment than Fischer could get. But if we don't limit ourselves
> to the famous Nueremberg cases, there were many small Nazi collaborators who
> were executed for crimes LESS severe than Fischer's (and Spassky's - it is too
> easily forgotten that Fischer is not the only culprit).
> 
> It should be added, paradoxically, that, UNLIKE Fischer, the Nazi war criminals
> formally broke no laws.

Please go study your history.

> 
>>                             Oh, that's right - it was a crime
>>to play chess in Yugoslavia.
> 
> Nonsense. Fischer wasn't indicted for playing chess, but for doing business.

What business was that...was it:

1. Operating a 7-11?
2. Selling US passports?
3. Playing Chess?


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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Nice Pieces!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:55:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.083303.179@ipact.com> pals@ipact.com writes:
>I received one of the Kasparov chess sets that USCF sells (Garry-6) for
>Christmas.  It is a beautiful set - the nicest I've ever used, which
>includes the Jacques imitation set that USCF used to sell (although that
>was a nice set, too).  All pieces are one-piece carved, and HEAVY.  At $89,
>the light-dark brown boxwood set is a bargain, IMHO.  If you insist, for
>another $110 you can get the light-black set where the black pieces are
>ebony, but the dark pieces are plenty dark in the cheaper set.

Kasparov Schmasparov!  Actually, I do believe it's a good set,
but something about it bothers me.  Maybe it's the ads in
Chess Life.  Maybe it's just the fact that it's name raises
thoughts of Chess Life in my brain!

I've never liked ordering things from USCF.  I suppose it's
mostly because I like to support smaller operations.  Fred
Lindsay's Chess Supplies is my personal favorite, 'cause
Fred has a cool mustache!  He sells a very very nice set
for $80, and also some other not-quite-as-nice sets for
about $50-$60.

I would post Fred's number, but I do not have it handy
at the moment.

-Mark
From: hwr@intercal.com (Hanon W. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: This Week In Chess History
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:29:22 GMT
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu



                      THIS WEEK IN CHESS HISTORY
                   December 31, 1992-January 6, 1993

December 31
1848 - Amos Burn born
1954 - E. Znosko-Borovsky died
1968 - Carl Ahues died

January 1
New Year's Day
1806 - Lionel Kieseritzky born

January 3
1823 - Johann Allgaier died
1928 - Frank Anderson born
1937 - Andrzej Sydor born

January 4
1840 - Moore Hanham born
1952 - Zbigniew Szymczak born

January 5
1870 - Hermann Helms born
1957 - Oldrich Duras died

January 6
1963 - Weaver Adams died
1963 - Hermann Helms died

Copyright 1992 Hanon W. Russell
All Rights Reserved
From: kurtovic@gold.cchem.berkeley.edu (Zoran Kurtovic)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: just a point of view
Date: 1 Jan 1993 00:30:09 GMT
Organization: Dept of Chemistry, University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gold.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec31.152356.20083@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.071413.19159@midway.uchicago.edu> hau4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Sarajevo is not in Yugoslavia. Bosnia is not under any sanctions.
>
>As I understand it, the sanctions apply to all the states which
>were part of the former Yugoslavia.  This includes Bosnia.

This couldn't be any farther from the truth.  There is an arms embergo on
all of the former Yugoslav republics which is supposedly in place to
prevent the war from escalating.  Since the embargo was put in place,
the war continued to escalate, as the Serbian forces had plenty of 
weapons left over from the ex-Yugoslav army.  Since they continued to
escalate the fighting, it was decided to impose economic sanctions 
against Serbia-Montenegro to try to persuade them to stop attacking.

So Bosnia is NOT under any sanctions.  They are only prevented from
buying arms, as are Slovenia and Croatia prevented from buying arms.



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From: bonnaire@masi.ibp.fr (Xavier BONNAIRE)
Subject: Macintosh ICS
Organization: Laboratoire MASI
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:31:11 GMT

Does anybody knows where I can find a Macintosh ICS graphic interface which uses
Internet connection (not a serial line stuff) ?

Thanks in advance.


   +---+                             
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 /   /   \       Laboratoire MASI                  |        
+---+ \   \      Universite Pierre et Marie Curie  |  bonnaire@masi.ibp.fr
 \   \ +---+     4 Place Jussieu                   |  
  \   /   /      75252 Paris Cedex 05              |
   \ / \ /       Tel:  44 27 61 89                 |
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:52:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.104417.683@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.045856.13741@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>> In article <1hcu7eINN2s6@parsifal.umkc.edu> chris@kasey.umkc.edu (Christopher Mitchell) writes:
>>>
>>>Though I view Bobby Fischer as somewhat of an American asset
>> 
>> Perhaps you should view it as an American burden.
>> 
>He has contributed more to the country than you have...
>
>But, that is just my belief. Tell us Sven, what HAVE you given the U.S.?
>
How about taxes?   ;-)

	Sven
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:29:57 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <DUBACH1.92Dec21083431@husc10.harvard.edu>, dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach) writes:
> In article <1992Dec20.233336.585@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> 
>>My personal philosophy on life can be boiled down to:
> 
>>A working imperfect solution is better than a non-working perfect solution.
> 
>>I have little respect for 'critics' who lack the ability to climb to the top,
>>and it spills over....
> 
> Mmm-hmm.  I take it you have little respect for yourself, then.
> 
> Joev

Is that the best you can do?
From: schiller@whorf (Eric Schiller)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Book Review: Oxford Companion to Chess
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:47:03 GMT
Reply-To: schiller@sapir.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <9212292230.0.UUL1.3#20523@intercal.com> hwr@intercal.com  
(Hanon W. Russell) writes:
> 
> THE OXFORD COMPANION TO CHESS, Second Edition, by David Hooper 
> and Kenneth Whyld, 1992 Oxford University Press, English 
> Algebraic Notation, 483pp., $35.00
> 
> ***************************************************************
> 
In general, I agree with the review and the recommendation that every
chessplayer should own it. I would caution, however, that the list
of opening names and variation names fails to provide sources or
reasons for the names presented, many of which will be unfamiliar
to American readers. While this is likely to be treated as
authoritative, and indeed, I am using it as a guide is a project
I am working on, it does not deserve such a status. It is really
no more than one interesting proposal.

Owners of the first edition will want to add this one, while
keeping the older one, since not all the material is duplicated.

--
***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** ****
Sometimes my head is in the clouds of theory, but often it is just a fog.
My feet, meantime, tend to stay more or less on the ground. I think.
***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** ****
Eric Schiller                              schiller@sapir.uchicago.edu
Dept of Linguistics, Univ. of Chicago      schiller@whorf.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: Amiga GUI for ICS available
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:53:17 GMT
Summary: Amiga GUI for ICS
Keywords: GUI Amiga ICS


I am posting this for Jose de Leon, who wrote an ICS GUI for
Amiga users.  Please contact him about this pgm.
His email address appears below:
***************************************************************************

Hello ICS users!

If you are an Amiga user on ICS, I need you to test out Amiga GUIICS!

Please send e-mail requesting a copy of Amiga GUIICS.  This is the only way
the program will be distributed until it is relatively bug free.

Describe your dos version and amiga model number.  This program will
work with a minimum of 512k.


salutation:		Later,
real life:		Jose de Leon
e-mail:			jadiel@altair.csustan.edu
ICS:			fischer  (the fishy one)
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:20:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.184754.542@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>In article <7173@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas) writes:
>> 
>> Let me make a couple of suggestions and an observation:
>> 
>> READ Joel Benjamin's article.  Unless you can point out areas where
>> you essentially disagree with the analysis which leads him to his
>> conclusions, people will ignore you, with good reason.  You have asked
>> the GMs to address the issues: to my mind it is you who are ignoring 
>> them by avoiding the analytical issues.

>Hmm... lots of posts aimed our way, not much ignoring...

>Further, what do I have to do? Argue Fischer played well before asking the GMs
>to say why they believe he played poorly?

>YOU get serious.

<Sigh>  What you have to do is show me how the specific analysis that
these GMs and IMs have offered either is wrong or that the conclusions
they draw from that analysis do not follow.  To date you have done 
neither.  More damning is the fact that you don't appear to realize
that you have to do that.  I thought you were serious at first, that you
simply knew nothing about chess.  Now I think that you are simply stupic
(stupid).
From: jay@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer Paid?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:36:53 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

A few questions/comments re Fischer:
 
1) I've read that Fischer hasn't been paid for
   F-S II....is that correct?
2) If Fischer hasn't been paid for the match, would
   that have any effect on his problems with the U.S.
   government? (As an aside, I believe he did receive
   an unannounced payment before the match too.)
3) If Fischer somehow didn't negotiate the prize money
   properly, the prize value is going to be drastically
   reduced due to the incredibly high Yugoslavian currency
   inflation rate which is totally out of control...(I
   assume the negotiated prize money was in harder currency
   though.)
 
Comments?
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hwr@intercal.com (Hanon W. Russell)
Subject: New In Chess Yearbook #25
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:54:56 GMT


NEW IN CHESS YEARBOOK 25, Edited by Genna Sosonko & Paul van der 
Sterren, Interchess 1992, 238pp., $24.00 (softcover); $29.00 
(hardcover).

The third instalment for 1992 of the New In Chess Yearbook 
series maintains the high standards of analytical work and 
topicality. There are thirty-three database surveys, i.e., 
articles on particular opening variations. These are accompanied 
by three theoretical articles, comprehensive and detailed looks 
at the Catalan Accepted (4...dxc4), 6...Nbd7 in the Saemisch and 
the French Tarrasch.

Several database surveys are notable both for their subject 
matter and authorship. Indian GM Viswanathan Anand and American 
GM Yasser Seirawan contribute to surveys on the Caro-Kann, while 
British GM Nigel Short authors a survey on the Worrall Attack of 
the Ruy Lopez. Readers may recall that Short used this Spanish 
variation quite effectively in his defeat of former world 
champion Anatoly Karpov in their semi-final candidates match.

Other survey contributors include GMs Ian Rogers, Anatoly 
Karpov, Larry Christiansen, Mikhail Gurevich and, to the best of 
our knowledge, for the first time ever in the western press, 
Russian wunderkind Vladimir Kramnik. He teams up with Langeweg 
for a survey of a recent development (11 g4!?) in the Classical 
Variation of the King's Indian Defense.

Players who demand to be on the cutting edge of opening theory 
will not want to miss the latest number of the New In Chess 
Yearbooks.

***************************************************************
The books which are reviewed by Mr. Russell are furnished 
courtesy of the United States Chess Federation. The views 
expressed are those of Mr. Russell and do not necessarily 
reflect the views of the United States Chess Federation. You may 
order this book and/or obtain the latest catalog of chess books 
and equipment from the U.S.C.F., 186 Rt. 9W, New Windsor, NY 
12553 or call toll-free 1-800-388-5464.

Copyright 1992 Hanon W. Russell
All Rights Reserved
***************************************************************


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