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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: History of Xinjinag?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:06:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.113647.59298@cc.usu.edu> ma@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <yy7085.717862427@eehp10>, yy7085@eehp10.cen.uiuc.edu () writes:
>> 
>> Hi, there. I got a forwarding from my Turkish friend. The forwarding is
>> an article about Xijiang. Though my Turkish friend told me before that 
>> Xijiang was not part of China before 1949 and he would predict the independence
>> of Xijiang not a remote event, I'd like to hear about all you guys' opinions, 
>> especially the ones who are knowledgeable in the history of Xijiang. 
>> 
>> ----------- the following is the forwarding I got ----------------
>
>[The story deleted]
>
>Some comments:
>The story was probably true. However, what it says is just that there was
>a guerrilla in some area of Xinjiang in 1940's. Even though we assume that
>the every word of the story is true, it is still too far from concluding that
>Xinjiang was not part of China during that period. There were guerrilla, or
>may called Tu3Fei3 (remember KMT called CCP Gong4Fei3) everywhere in China
>at that time. Some claimed their own gorvenments, as CCP did. But they were
>all cleaned up after 1949. The KMT Chinese Government governed Xinjiang as
>good , and as bad as any other part of China during that period. Therefore,
>in my opinion, the story can't prove Xinjiang was not part of China. 
>It also depends on the outcome. If that guerrilla mentioned in the story
>had successfully survived, and been strong enough to take over the entire
>China, like CCP did, it could have named the whole country East Turkistan
>Republic or Empire, or what so ever. But the problem for them is that it
>didn't happen. 
>So a bunch of people in Kazakhstan claim Xinjiang. Some in India clain Xizang.
>A few in Taiwan claim China. A claim is just a claim.
>
>Ma
>  
true, there are rebels everyone in those days, besides the CCP.  General
Dao ChiYu(sp?)'s KMT troops are pretty much in control of XinJiang when
the CCP entered, and he surrendered to the communists, some clash
here and there with different people, of course, were impossible 
to avoid.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Fu Xinyuan Made Nobel Prize Level Discovery in Biology
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:55:29 GMT


Since my last post on this topic, I have received many emails
asking about the details of Fu Xinyuan's paper. One netter helped
to locate that paper. I would like to share with the rest of you.

Again, congratulations to Fu Xinyuan, a scientist who also
advocate democracy and human right. We hope more in our generation
will have such outstanding contribution to science as well as
to democracy and human right.

I have lost contact with Fu Xinyuan for sometimes. If he is watching
this net, please reply or comment on this news. Thanks.

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Thanks for your reply. I found out that the paper appeared on Jul-24,1992
, Cell, v70, n2. Fu's name in the database was input as "Fu, X.-Y.". That
explains why I could not get it the first time. Also, the title is :
 Transcription factor ... is activated by ...
Thanks for the information.

Regards!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
    <1992Oct3.013659.16810@news.iastate.edu> 
    <1992Oct5.141300.23479@linus.mitre.org>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:29:15 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:

>the reason I came to here.  Du4 Fu3 (Tang dynasty poet) said "where I can
>find millions houses to shelter all poor CSS in the world." (an1 de2 da4
>xia4 qian1 wan4 jian1, guang3 pi4 tien1 xia4 han2 shi4 jin4 huan1 yan2).  I
 ^^^^ should this be sha4?
	Some netters said this kind of thought in the culture made China
	poor. I guess you must not agree with them.
>like this poet, and this is what I want to say.  Do not distort my point. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:33:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.085554.1299@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng) writes:
>In article <BvGqGx.3AF@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>Dear Chinese Friend:
>>
>>
>>Today is our National Day.
>>........
>>Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a strong 
>>country, an independent country.
>
>I do agree Mao Ze-Dong's government left us an independent country.  But
>it is not a strong one.
>

I think She is much stronger than She was, but based on that people are
poor other than rich. I like "min2 fu4 guo2 qiang2" but not "guo2 qiang2
min2 qong2". Its false apperence.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Organization: MITRE
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:08:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.122915.13035@ms.uky.edu>, gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
writes:
> 
> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
> 
> >the reason I came to here.  Du4 Fu3 (Tang dynasty poet) said "where I can
> >find millions houses to shelter all poor CSS in the world." (an1 de2 da4
> >xia4 qian1 wan4 jian1, guang3 pi4 tien1 xia4 han2 shi4 jin4 huan1 yan2).  I
>  ^^^^ should this be sha4?
> 	Some netters said this kind of thought in the culture made China
> 	poor. I guess you must not agree with them.
> >like this poet, and this is what I want to say.  Do not distort my point. 
> 
> 

Very interesting!  In Taiwan, most people read this character as "xia". I
heard some people read it as "sha", but not very frequently.  Similar to
ShenZhen - a new city new HongKong, people pronounce it as ShenJun in
Taiwan. Any other
examples?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:23:03 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:

> From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
> Subject: Oct 1, our National Day
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:00:32 GMT



> However, neither US nor USSR were willing to see China becomes a strong
> country. They sent their armies to the countries around China. They tried

          Well, do you know who was the 'BIG BRATHER' then?

> to isolate China in the world. They tried to control China via thousands of
> ways. When China was trying to improve the relationship with either US or
USSR,
> USSR or US would attempt to stem via their KGB or CIA.

          And something more.....


> That was history. That was the environment in which China was standing up.

          So simple history? Sounds messy in your mind.

> China then had atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb, satellites etc all by
> herself--developing technologies nearly without external help, accumulating
> money primarily in the internal markets and meanwhile, producing food
> so that the huge population had something to eat.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
            So hugh population that CG cann't feed.

> Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a strong
> country, an independent country.

            Chinese people deserve much better.
            You remind me a word: Guo2 Fu4 Min2 Qong2.


> Every Chinese benefits from his/her homeland by being respected because China
> has stood up.

            Well, ??????


> Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more valuable
> than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our country.

         Nothing more valuable than independence?

         To a Bai3 Xing4, independence and freedom are equally important.
         And what does the independent country mean to the dependent
         people?


         X Xu
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:38:33 GMT
Organization: Boston University

Thank Mr. Lin for his promise. Here is the mailing address
for donation to school kids in rural China:

Ms. Jie Kang
2610 E. 5 pl, Apt.1,
TULSA, OK 74104

Please make your check payable to:

China SOS Education Fund

According to its president Dr. Shi Wenyuan and the VP Dr. Bao Minqi:

"Your donation will be used 100% for awarding money to the kids back in 
China", I understand it as no management fee for the Fund itself. And
as I understand, you will be informed who where and why received your
money. Well, thanks Mr. Lin again.

PS. Please inform me how much your check is, I promised to match that
from you or Tuya.
--
From: TS5806@ohstmvsa.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Independence, Civil War, Propaganda
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: quark.9210021822.AA10002
Organization: The Ohio State University


 	The communist struggle and what it brought is a subject that
politicians, historians and commoners ike you and me can study and
debate forever, I have no expertise in this except a few personal
opinions. One such,

 	What happened 43 years ago should be viewed as a civil war .
Mao and his comrades fought the then government and won to establish
another regime. The word "Independence" would probably be more
applicable in the Chinese history when the Ming Dynasty drove out
the Mogolians or when the Republic of China replaced the Qing
Dynasty , than when the People's Republic Of China replaced the
government in Nanjing.  The word "independence " as have been
frequently used in the textbooks and elsewhere during the past 43
years in communist China to refer to the 1949 establishment of
People's Republic Of China is more of a propaganda term than what
the word "independence" really merits.

Just my two cents
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:25:35 EDT
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
 <Oct.1.16.17.13.1992.466@ruhets.rutgers.edu> <BvGqGx.3AF@cs.psu.edu>

In article <BvGqGx.3AF@cs.psu.edu>, jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) says:
>
>Dear Chinese Friend:
>
>
>Today is our National Day.

 Neither you nor me has any right to decide when our national day is, should
 we ask the school for one days break?
>
>
>What China won 43 years ago was a real INDEPENDENCE which China had not been
>having for about 100 years. Nothing can be more valuable than
>independence to a country.

 What kind of independence are you talking about? There are many countries
 are independent in the world, but had to beg UN for food supply.
 Maybe you can say there is no more "dog and chinese" sign in Shanghai.
 But the fact is CCP never respect it's own people as independent nation.

>
>
>However, neither US nor USSR were willing to see China becomes a strong
>country. They sent their armies to the countries around China. They tried
>to isolate China in the world. They tried to control China via thousands of
 That's becomes Mao wants to liberate all "poor" people over the world. -)

>ways. When China was trying to improve the relationship with either US or
>USSR,
>USSR or US would attempt to stem via their KGB or CIA.

  Sometime it was only certain people in China to decided whold nations
  fate, Neither Chiness, nor KGB and CIA can do anything.
>
>
>That was history. That was the environment in which China was standing up.

 Look at Japan. I don't think Japan had a better envoirment than China
 after the ending of WWII.

>China then had atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb, satellites etc all by
 Nothing to be proud of. satellites raised by 20 millions of lifes.
 I would rather like the goverment feeding people well if they had
 money.

>herself--developing technologies nearly without external help, accumulating
>money primarily in the internal markets and meanwhile, producing food
>so that the huge population had something to eat.

 China has market only after the open door policy. I mean real market,
 not the capitalism tail. -)

>Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a strong
>country, an independent country.
   A country always compare to India. -)

>
>
>Every Chinese benefits from his/her homeland by being respected because China
>has stood up.
  This is a copy from stand CCP's text book.

>Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more valuable
>than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our country.
Again, as long as a nation exist, a National Day exist.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26611 talk.politics.china:1435
From: hli@bcm.tmc.edu (Hua Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: looking friends!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:59:34 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: hope





Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: klg0582@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken-Huang Lin)
Subject: Shipping stuff back to China
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:57:07 GMT


  I am posting this for a friend of mine who is visiting our
department and will be soon heading back to China.  He'd like to know
the cheap ways to ship some of his stuff back by sea.  How much does
it cost for one cubic meter?  Can the goods be shipped to Cheng2du1 or
he has to pick it up in Shanghai in person?  Any leads would be highly
appreciated.  Please send email to

dong@uiwpls.ece.uiuc.edu

KH Lin
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Laurence Godfrey
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.27SEP199212254616
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

> 
>   My limited association with UK PhDs leads me to conclude that
>   most are snooty and racist.  What is your reaction to this 
>   generalization and stereotyping statement?
> 
My reaction is that you do not know how to argue coherently.

>   You raised the issue of statistics, I didn't.  I'm not a
>   scientist so your knowledge of statistics may be far superior
>   to mine.  But this generalization from "a part to the whole",
>   as George (?) stated, and its sterotyping effect on Filipinos
>   is what I was opposed to from the very beginning.

So do you want to avoid the substantive issue, or if we accept your allegations
that I am guilty of generalisations does that mean that we cannot discuss
the high level of dishonesty, theft and corruption in the Philippines on
the grounds that doing so would necessitate making generalisations?  What
issue can be discussed in that case - one that deals only with specific 
instances and specific persons?

If I am a snooty racist, as you suggest, then I am probably the only snooty
racist in England who is a jew, married to an Asian, a member of our left-wing
socialist party, a past victim of racial discrimination and who chooses to
live and work in Asia rather than the west.  I wonder if you know what a real
racist is?  Is everyone who says anything critical about a group of people
a racist?  Only if the criticism is invalid?  If I say "Thais are nice
people" is that racist?  If I say Germans are agressive and arrogant, is that
racist?  If I say "jews have big noses", is that racist?

Laurence
From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Filipino Jazz
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:19:00 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


rgdelav@PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega) writes:

>By the way, I'm not sure whether this has been posted before, Lea Salonga
>is going to have a concert on Saturday, Oct. 2 at the San Francisco Civic
>Auditorium at about 7:45 pm.  
> [ stuff deleted ]

  Does anyone know when her concert in Blacksburg is?  Does anyone know where
Blacksburg is?  Does anyone care to know? Oh well...   B-)


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* bombim cadiz             | Theorem:   The early bird gets the worm. *
* cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu | Corollary: The early worm gets eaten.    *  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: World Series Smoking Gun?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.040204.9868@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, tanchoco@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Joe Tanc writes...
>mgb@ocf.berkeley.edu (M.G. Bertulfo) writes...
>>>I would have to agree with George that we really shouldn't take one "part"
>>>of a whole and generalize it's qualities to that whole--in this case we
>>>are talking about Filipinos.
>>> 
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>I wasn't, I was simply stating a fact - nothing more, nothing less.
>>--- some stuff deleted
>>... Secondly, there is
>>nothing wrong in extrapolating from a sample of people to a population as
>>a whole - in physics and science as a whole this is a perfectly valid
>>statistical process.  A generalisation is not automatically invalid by
>>virtue of the fact that it is a gerneralisation, it is only invalid
>>if the sampling is flawed.  And of course if I say " Japanese people
>>are polite" then it doesn't mean that every single Japanese is always
>>polite in every possible circumstance, not would anyone try to interpret
>>it that way.  Thirdly, and lastly, I was not, in this instance, making a
>>generalisation in any case.
>>
>   Inductive proof requires more rigor and conclusions based on
>   sampled data are usually stated with a statistical qualification.
>   You have done neither of these.  
> 
>   As to whether you are making a generalization or not ... I still
>   contend that you are.
> 
>   By the way, are you originally from the United Kingdom?
> 

Yes I am from the UK, and my knowledge of stats is not quite as limited
as you suppose, since I have a PhD in nuclear physics and have been
teaching physics and maths for about 12 years since finishing my degrees.
I wasn't trying to make a quantitative statistical analysis of the 
Philippines, i was simply trying to make a point about generalisations.

Laurence
From: ador@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au (Amador Argete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: soc.culture.filipino.LAURENCE.GODFREY
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:18:08 GMT
Organization: Meteorology, University of Melbourne

Re: soc.culture.filipino.LAURENCE_GODFREY

> u9211306@cc.uow.edu.au (Elpidio S Jabonete Jr) writes:
>
>	I think it's time to have a separate newsgroup for this guy.
>  He's too voluminous for this group.
>

How about alt.some.of.my.friends.are.filipinos or
	  alt.see.I.married.one.blah.blah.blah ?

^X
^D
nakupo!
help

^Z
logout
lo

damn
exit
I thought this is supposed to be user friendly.
Command not found
:)
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Clark AB and Captain Jim Kirk
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:22:30 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


Jim Kirk writes:
To:jskirk01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: P.I.
--------


you write:

You'll see that they will survive just fine without our money.  Give the
Filipinos some credit.  Don't you have any notion of how well they were
doing economically before the long Marcos fiasco?

I disagree. Do you realize how hard it is to go from 3rd World to just 2nd World status?



If our economy in the US continues in its present trend, how much do you think
your daughter or sister will bring?  When we need money "to survive," will you
approve of your daughter's sale to a Japanese or German tourist?


Listen, American didn't create the bar scene around the American bases. Maybe we the G.I.s
are wrong for screwing around but remember, if the P.I. didn't want these nightclubs and
these bargirls infesting their country , they would've outlawed.  Did you know that dancing
topless is illegal in Angeles?  If they made that illegal, why didn't they just outlaw
the whole damn prostitution scene! Why?  Because they need our money and the girls need a
way out of the Philippines.  Blame the Philippine government for allowing this to go on!



P.S.  Is that your real name?  Cool!~
~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: joel@dseg.ti.com (Joel Quejada)
Subject: Re: Dallas meeting
Reply-To: joel@dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:44:46 GMT

I can serve as a mailbox for you, Dave.  Anyone interested in the DFW
get-together can send me e-mail at 'joel@dseg.ti.com'.

Joel
---
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: jskirk01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Angeles City - Clark Air Base
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:55:49 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <4OCT199209524460@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> In article <1992Oct3.215647.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, jskirk01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu            writes...
>>In article <3OCT199213340313@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE 
>>GODFREY) writes:
>>> It was full of the most obnoxious American
>>> louts I have seen outside of Pattaya in Thailand, exploiting the locals,
>>> treating the country as if it were their own, giving the Filipinos no
>>> credit for having a culture of their own, and generally being American.
>>> 
>>> Laurence
>>> 

>> 
>>Eh, sumusunod yata sila sa yapak ng dati nilang colonial masters -- ang mga
>>British.  :-)
>>            			Jim Kirk

> 
> I am not one of the British who colonised other countries.  However, the 
> British did not colonise the Philippines, the US did.  Furthermore, I
> was refering not to colonisation by the US, but to the habit of Americans
> eleswhere in the world to refuse to accept that other countries have cultures
> of their own, and to assume that they want nothing more than to be carbon
> copies of the US.
> 
> Laurence
> 

Nor am I one of the Americans.  But that is not the point.  If you read my 
comment more carefully, you will see that I admit what you say of some 
Americans.  My point is that it is rather hypocritical for a Brit to make such 
a comment about Americans in general, given the general reputation of the 
British living and traveling abroad.  

If a Filipino had made your comment, I would have merely nodded in unhappy 
agreement.  But as it was, the behavior you described as "generally being 
American" reminded me of what I had witnessed while living and working for 
three years in a British colony, where I associated such attitudes with 
"generally being British."  

Let's leave it at this.  You are probably not an "ugly Brit" just as I'm not an
"ugly kano" (or so my international friends tell me).  Still, let's not make
generalizations and point fingers unless we're sure that our own halos (in this
case, those of our compatriots) are well-fitting.

Sa mga Pilipino,
	Pasensiya na lang kayo sa pagsusuwagan namin.  Kung magpapatuloy pa ito,
magtatayo kami ng bagong newsgroup -- ang alt.1776.ulit. 

					J(a)im(e)