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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA All-time leaders
Date: 11 Sep 1992 23:48:48 GMT
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Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep11.200036.9027@jade.tufts.edu>, gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep11.170709.6065@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
|> >
|> >Ken B.
|> >
|> >P.S., for the Dookies who get agitated when their team isn't 
|> >mentioned in 8 out of 10 posts:  Hurley makes a lot of assists. 
|> 
|> 	Oh, I don't mind when they're not mentioned.  However, it amuses me 
|> that they are frequently mentioned with such rancor by fans from New England
|> and the West Coast.  What's the matter, fellas?  Bitter?
|> 

There are college basketball fans in New England?  There are college 
basketball teams in New England?  I think I once heard of BC,PC, and URI,
but it might have all a dream a long time ago ....  :) :) :)

(a native New Englander, glad that at least UMASS!!! has put them back
on the college b-ball map again)

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From: clammemb@fe614.cc.purdue.edu (matt)
Subject: Michigan Wolverines
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: newsgroup
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:02:54 GMT


I will agree that Michigan has the talent, but do they have the chemistry

to win?  

The USA Olympic team showed that a team of allstars can win but they were

in an entirely different situation.

I'm not sure that the Wolverines have the attitude or work ethic to be

champions, and I'm not sure that Fisher is the man who will instill it in

them.



Just a thought
(from a lowly freshman)

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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard: taking money?
Organization: American Math. Society
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	<1992Sep7.231037.10695@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
	<ASH.92Sep8081839@ulysses.mr.ams.com> <BuA0w6.7Fz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:51:18 GMT

In article <BuA0w6.7Fz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser) writes:

   >>   >>  It won't change the
   >>   >>fact that Michigan has been, is, and always will be superior
   >>   >>academically and athletically to Illinois.  Want proof?  Check the
   >>   >>national rankings in academics and athletics this year.  Have fun.
   >>   >>

   >>   >Let's see ... are you using the coaches' poll or the sportswriters
   >>   >as a factual basis for evaluating academics. Or is it a Saragin 
   >>   >computer analysis?  

   >>No, just the national rankings published in the newspapers.  I don't
   >>know who ranks Universities academically, but it isn't coaches or
   >>sportswriters.  It's probably some group having to do with academics.
   >>Obviously, these rankings are somewhat subjective, but I believe they
   >>do use some sort of formula.

   >Check your grocery store shelves this year.  Have fun.  The formula
   >they use is called   ' Similac ' . 

Nice comeback.  But seriously, I was only defending Michigan against a
poster who said we "deserve it" (Michigan-bashing).  I have nothing
against Illinois and I believe it is an excellent university, in
academics and athletics.  I generally don't hate *any* university,
except, of course, Notre Dame.  But that's another thread.
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Shaq's impact
Keywords: n
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:09:51 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep8.182134.4892@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>>
>>Add Robert Parish to the list.  He was one of the top freshmen that
>>year.  According to Parish the NCAA kept chasing him because he decided
>>to go to a black college instead.  So obviously he must have been
>>something.  I don't remember him accomplishing anything either.
>>
>
>Centenary is far from a black college.  In fact if someone on the campus is
>black they are usually in the sports program. Chief went to Centenary   
>because they looked the other way on his ACT scores.  They did not use
>the standard method of converting to SAT scores.  The NCAA got them for this.
>Also it was in his home town.  A town in which he fathered some children 
>while in high school.
>
>Robert


My fault, I must be confusing it with something else.  As you say it was
the test scores.  But he did say they wanted him to go to one of the better
known schools.

Thanks for the correction.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Test your Final 4 knowledge
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:31:54 GMT
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Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <Bu2prL.BMu@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
>|> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>|> : 
>|> : 	OK -- here's a test for all U netters out there.
>|> : 	Name the starting 5 for the NCAA Champions for the last 10
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>1990 Georgia Tech (I can't believe noone has mentioned the much-hyped
>"Lethal Weapon Three" yet)

Well It could be because we read Jazzy's original post and realized
he only asked about champions (-:.

It was an exciting team however.




Russ Smith
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From: et00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erich William Trowbridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: G'Town schedule
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:07:23 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	I Want One!!!!
			


				thanx,
					erich
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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Mr. Griffith's Choices Are ...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 10:36:28 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

I have heard (hopefully a reliable source) that Mr. Rashard 
Griffith from Chicago has narrowed his school choices down to
his final four. These are Wisconsin, Ohio State (both are here 
because the family likes the coaches), Purdue and Michigan.

If this is true, then where are the Illini???  Drum roll please...
I guess $80,000 and a Chevy Blazer just doesn't cut it 
anymore. Weren't Rashard's coaches quoted as saying that they
want to supply Illinois all the talent they can now that they're
off of probation??

Seems to me that the best choices for Rashard would be Purdue
or Wisconsin. In either place he will start right away. What a
recruiting coup that would be for Stu Jackson.

At Ohio State, they recruited 2 big men this year 
I believe (Nate Wilbourne and Gerald Eaker) so there could be
a little more competition.

At Michigan, he would have to play behind Juwann Howard for at
least one more year. I guess Juwann and Rashard are friends.


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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard: taking money?
Organization: American Math. Society
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:18:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.231037.10695@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:

   >In article <ASH.92Sep4083417@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
   >>
   >>  It won't change the
   >>fact that Michigan has been, is, and always will be superior
   >>academically and athletically to Illinois.  Want proof?  Check the
   >>national rankings in academics and athletics this year.  Have fun.
   >>

   >Let's see ... are you using the coaches' poll or the sportswriters
   >as a factual basis for evaluating academics. Or is it a Saragin 
   >computer analysis?  

No, just the national rankings published in the newspapers.  I don't
know who ranks Universities academically, but it isn't coaches or
sportswriters.  It's probably some group having to do with academics.
Obviously, these rankings are somewhat subjective, but I believe they
do use some sort of formula.


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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Villanova Schedule
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:40:18 GMT

mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley) writes:

>>                Villanova University Schedule
>> 
>>      12/1      @ American University                   7:30 pm
>>      12/12     @ St. Mary's College (CA)               3:00 pm (PST)
>>      12/15     Pennsylvania (The Spectrum)             7:00 pm
>>      12/22     Vermont                                 7:30 pm
>>      12/28     Lehigh                                  7:30 pm
>>      12/30     Columbia                                7:30 pm
>>       2/6      St. Joseph's (The Spectrum)             3:00 pm
>>       2/11     Hofstra                                 7:30 pm
>> 

>    After seeing UNLV's and this schedule, nobody better even
>come close to laughing at SU's non-conference schedule.  Only
>TWO away games?!?  One to the worst DIV I team in the country and
>the other to a team I don't even know what division they're in.
>Just out of curiousity, how many of these teams ARE Div I?
>Geesh, they're giving G'town a run for their money.

	Actually, all of these teams in the above schedule are Division I
	schools.  The reason Penn and St. Joseph's are on the schedule are
	because it's part of the Big-5 package.  Notice the games are
	being played in the Spectrum.  These games usually generate a lot
	of fan interest and $ in Philly.  As far as St. Mary's is concerned,
	it's in the WCAC (West Coast Athletic Conference) which contains
	other western schools, namely Gonzaga (John Stockton's alma mater)
	and Loyola-Marymount (of run and gun fame)...

	Jazzy J

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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Shaq's impact
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:55:44 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep8.161505.25508@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) writes:
>gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>
>>I seem to remember a certain team (Syracuse) that had at a time anywhere
>>from 2-4 very good NBA players.  On the team with 4 NBA players, if I
>>remember correctly it didn't get past the second round of the tourney.
>>Did any of them get past the second round?  The weakest player on that
>>team was Stevie Thompson who was a pretty good college player.
>
>>Stevie Thompson
>>Sherman Douglas
>>Ronnie Sykaly (yes I know I butchered his name)
>>Billy Owens
>>Derrick Coleman
>
>How many were still around in '89 when they lost the regional final to
>Illinois?  There's a big difference between the 2nd and 4th rounds.

Well from my calculations (which are open to correction here) they were
together in '88-'89.  So I guess they did get past 2nd round for a final
eight appearance.  Even then, 4 very good NBA players and they weren't
able to get a ring.  That in itself should vindicate Shaq.

Here is how I calculated it:
		Seasons in college
Player		85-86	86-87	87-88	88-89	89-90	90-91
Stevie Thompson		  	  Y	  Y	  Y	  Y
Sherman Douglas	  	  Y	  Y	  Y	  Y
Ronnie Seikaly 	  Y	  Y	  Y	  Y
Billy Owens			  	  Y	  Y	  Y
Derrick Coleman	  	  Y	  Y	  Y	  Y
   NBA  Players	  1	  3	  3	  4	  3	  1
   NCAA	Players	  1	  3	  4	  5	  4	  2

I forget what year Shaq, Stanley Roberts, and Chris Jackson were together.
But Shaq was a frosh, and Chris was a ball hog.
>
>Mike Timlin
>timiln@spot.colorado.edu
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Sweet Sixteen...
Date: 11 Sep 1992 13:45:56 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <matthew.716224623@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
|
|For one thing, Rick Majerus is a better coach than Rollie Massamino.
|
Although Majerus carries alot more weight in the college coaching
community than Rollie, I don't think you can call him a better
coach!  :)

Rick
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Early impressions of Arizona for 92-93
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:55:11 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <21636@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> Redshirts - McLean, other cal. kid, Blair.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Reggie Geary from Mater Dei. You're right, he's a good athlete(thats
ath-a-lete to you Dick Vitale fans), but the rest of his game needs
a lot of work, which is surprising coming from Mater Dei.




Russ Smith
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Necessity of a Big Man
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:23:31 GMT

swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:

>How about a list of the NCAA Tournament championship teams and their
>starting centers plus their heights & weights?  I believe that this
>list will be interesting....

	I could give U names & heights, but no weights:

>   Year        Team              Starting Center       Hgt.    Wgt.
>   ----   ------------------   -------------------    ------  ------
>   1992   Duke                 Christian Laettner      6'11"  235 lb
>   1991   Duke                 Christian Laettner      6'11"  235 lb
    1990   UNLV 		David Butler		6'10"  
    1989   Michigan		Loy Vaught		6'9"
    1988   Kansas		Danny Manning		6'9"
    1987   Indiana      	Dean Garrett		6'10"
    1986   Louisville		Pervis Ellison		6'9"
    1985   Villanova		Ed Pinckney		6'9"
    1984   Georgetown		Patrick Ewing		7'1"
    1983   N.C. State           Cozell McQueen		6'11"  (stringbean)
    1982   North Carolina       Sam Perkins		6'9"
    1981   Indiana		Ray Tolbert             6'9"
    1980   Louisville           Rodney McCray		6'7"
    1979   Michigan St.         Jay Vincent		6'8"
    1978   Kentucky             Rick Robey              6'10"
    1977   Marquette            Jerome Whitehead        6'10"
    1976   Indiana              Kent Benson             6'10"
      .        .
      .        .
    etc...

	Jazzy J

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal News (was: UCLA News)
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:04:10 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <matthew.716058581@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>And, the crowds in Oakland are always kind of sparse (compared with a
>jammed Harmon).

Well they played UCLA there last year, lost, and didn't fill the building
(or even come clsoe), but this season's schedule is a direct result of 
Jason Kidd signing. Kidd's highschool team played a game in the Coliseum
last year(rare in Ca. except for the playoffs)and drew more fans than the
Cal/UCLA game. Kidd is a local legend around Northern California, it
wouldn't surprise me at all if they packed the OAC when they play there
this year. The bottom line of course is money, they'll draw way more
people and I assume they get a large cut of it.



>I'd say that Cal is not at an advantage for the games in Oakland.
i
One thing about the OAC is its notorious for having a "good shooting
background". UCLA shot the lights out there last year, and Cal is not
really an outside shooting team. I think Cal is hoping that with the
arrival of Kidd, they can become THE team in the Bay Area and thats
why they're going all out for exposure.



Russ Smith
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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Sweet Sixteen...
Keywords: 16, 1993
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:54:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Sep10.195046.5836@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dew6c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) writes:
>In article <markts.716139742@mcl>, markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark T. Schmidt) writes:
>> 1993 Sweet 16:
>...
>> Florida State
>
>You think so?  I would say that a third (and even a fourth) ACC team
>will make the set, but it may be Wake Forest or Georgia Tech.  Look
>for the Demon Deacons to surprise a lot of people this year; Tech
>has everybody back and then some.

Except Geiger and Barry, the Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside of the 
Yellow Jacket team last year.  Still, I agree, Tech has a shot.

>> UMASS
>
>You have no idea how sick I am of hearing about UMass.  They aren't
>a bad team at all, but they don't *play* anybody.  Unless you count
>the 16 seeds in the NCAA Tourney as competition.  Yeah, Northeastern!

C'mon, folks, get with the program here!  It is UMASS!!! or else
UMASS!!! (tm).  Neither UMASS or UMass will cut the mustard.

And far be it from me to defend the UMASS!!! schedule, but I will
take a moment to defend the UMASS!!! schedule.  No, they don't
play in a particularly tough conference overall (although 
Rutgers, Temple, and West Virginia can occasionally be pretty
decent), but they did win the Great Alaska, as well as playing
Kentucky (twice, including once when UK was a #2 seed) and Oklahoma 
and Syracuse (when they were a #2 seed).  Not the hardest schedule
in the nation, perhaps, but far from the easiest.

>> Kentucky (ricky has finally recruited a little size, scarey thought)
>
>There are a couple of other good SEC teams out there.  Florida?  Who 
>knows.

The SEC always seems to produce a handful of good ones, although their
performance in the tournament has been lacking in luster recently
(except for Kentucky of course).  LSU sometimes plays better without
its superstars, and Bama and Arkansas aren't exactly chopped liver.
Florida's improvement is a pleasant surprise and may make the East
race more entertaining.

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From: deep@btr.btr.com (Amandeep S. Jawa  deep@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Billy McCaffrey
Date: 13 Sep 92 09:23:51 GMT
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Hola hoopsters...

i was just wondering if anyone new if ex-Duke star Billy McCaffrey
was starting for Vanderbilt as planned this year? at point ?

thanks

'deep (lonely duke fan/alumni stuck in heathen (football-loving) west coast)

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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Shaq's impact
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:21:34 GMT

>
>Add Robert Parish to the list.  He was one of the top freshmen that
>year.  According to Parish the NCAA kept chasing him because he decided
>to go to a black college instead.  So obviously he must have been
>something.  I don't remember him accomplishing anything either.
>

Centenary is far from a black college.  In fact if someone on the campus is
black they are usually in the sports program. Chief went to Centenary   
because they looked the other way on his ACT scores.  They did not use
the standard method of converting to SAT scores.  The NCAA got them for this.
Also it was in his home town.  A town in which he fathered some children 
while in high school.

Robert
From: richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith (Purdue? Wisconsin?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:52:16 GMT
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX

> For what it's worth, I only saw a little bit of Rashard playing once,
> and he looked to have "slow feet" in terms of positioning.

And this from someone who thinks Eric Montross is not slow!  The mind
boggles at what a slug Rashard must be!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: LA Newspapers (was Re: UCLA News)
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:53:26 GMT

In article <21770@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>Reports in the Tucson papers praised the play of O'Bannon to no end. IT appears
>that he was clearly the best player on the court and was capable of playing
>the experienced competition with ease. [...]
>
>			gln

Big surprise here -- the Tucson papers having more information on UCLA
basketball than the LA "But we gave them a blurb!" Times...

- Trent Lange

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