HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mba3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Michael Boyd Adams)
Subject: Psygnosis HD support
Summary: Psygnosis HD support
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:30:23 GMT

 


No, it really is important for a program to be hard drive installable...
It really is stupid of Psygnosis to hold onto this BOOT ME business...
I bought ORK and really liked it, but I felt let down that a great 
company would make a great game and not make it easy to use. I understand
they don't want it copyable, but a simple doc check would suffice. I like
Psygnosis games, but I don't think someone is an ass for demanding that
they be HD installable...  This isn't 1988. This is 92, and most people
have hard drives and want to use them.  I like the games, but would like 
them more if I didn't have to go to all the hassle of booting it to play
it!!!!!

Besides, the format of the Psygnosis games doesn't prevent you from 
copying it anyway, (if you want to be a pirate!) because I backed up my
ORK disks with XCopy Pro without a single glitch.  I have a friend (who 
is a pirate, ARGGGG!!!) who has a copied version of Lemmings, too, so 
even that isn't safe....  Psygnosis, make it HD installable, and I bet
you will sell 10x the number of games!!!!
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Is there an Amiga FAQ?
Distribution: world
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:57:28 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Paula_Lieberman.077i@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>re article by Michael Gelman: Well, you could just log onto Amiga Colony in
>Billerica, running on an Amiga 2000 and ask that question, or call the
>Boston Computer Society office in Cambridge, which would refer you to
>someone in the Amiga Users' Group, or you could call the Memory Location in
>WellekO+0sley, or OmniTek in Tewksbury, The Bit Bucket in Newton,
>ComputerWorks on the North Shore, Finetastic in Norwood, or any of the
>other Amiga dealers around eastern Massachusetts, and get as much
>information as you care to listen to about Amigas... you c{ould leave a
>message on the BCS Amiga BBS at 617-729-7340, etc. etc.  There's a LOT of
>information about Amigas and which one would make the most sense for you,
>in the area you're in.  Oops, I forgot to mention AUGLL, the Amiga Users'
>Group of Greater Lowell, which meets once a month at OmniTek in Tewksbury
>[town adjacent to Billerica].  OmniTek would know when the meetings are....

The Bit Bucket in Newton and Sudbury is apparently no longer in the Amiga
business.  At least that's what they told a friend of mine.  They're busy
pushing Apple systems.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

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From: walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann)
Subject: UPLOADED:  aquarium-741-760.lzh
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:17:23 GMT

The following is now available for the Aquarium program via anonymous ftp.
Please read the documentation included with the archive:

FILE:
aquarium-741-760.lzh	20 disks of contents to be added to the database from
			AquaBundle-660, aquarium-661-680, aquarium-681-690,
			and aquarium-691-740.

FTP SITES and DIRECTORIES:
grind.isca.uiowa.edu	128.255.19.233	   /amiga/Read.These
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu	128.174.5.59	   /amiga/Aquarium
wuarchive.wustl.edu	128.252.135.4	   /systems/amiga/incoming/fish

>>>>> The file may require several days to appear at each site <<<<<

 ._.  Udo Schuermann      "New way?  What's this I hear about a new way?"
 ( )  walrus@wam.umd.edu                    -- Alex, "A Clockwork Orange"
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:19:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.41089
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>> Basically, I'm asking.. what allows a UNIX to coredump, and relativeily,
>> what does Amiga LACK that won't let it coredump w/o crashing?
>
>Memory protection.

Er, "memory tracking" is better.  Generally, anything that allows
you to core dump will also have memory protection, but this does
not mean that memory protection is the reason you can core dump.
There can also be exceptions - for instance, a memory tracking
system that did not have memory protections (ie, the original
CAOS operating system).

Of course, I think the real question being asked is not about
core dumps (which aren't very useful for most people) but rather
how to have a faulty program not crash the machine.  That is
a matter of memory *and* resource tracking, so that the process
can be cleaned up completely when it fails.  Memory protection
isn't required for this either, although without it, a faulty
process may cause other processes to have errors - but won't
necessarily crash the machine (unless it bumps into the OS memory).
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    Macintosh - you can buy better, but you can't pay more!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:50:04 EST
From: Blaise Tarr <BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
 <1992Nov18.133139.21744@ifi.unizh.ch> <92323.182614BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Nov19.084052.12588@ifi.unizh.ch>

In article <1992Nov19.084052.12588@ifi.unizh.ch>, (Matija Milostnik) says:
>
>In the message you could have a pointer to any memory
>location you own. This situation CANT be protected, cause the system doesnt
>know about it.

That's where you would use the MEMF_PUBLIC flag.  Quoting from the RKRM:
"This indicates that the memory should be accessible to other tasks."
Therefore, all correctly written programs use this flag if they want other
programs to use their memory area.

       ///  Blaise Tarr
      ///
  \\\///    BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu     "Typically, the subject being copied
   \XX/     tarr@cs.psu.edu           is terminated."   -CSM 101
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From: devasoft@cup.portal.com (David Michael Alves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMOS
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:45:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>> AMOS is a toy langauge in the sense that it's not used to produce
>> commercial software (at least none that I know of). But then every
>> language except C/asm is a toy language by that definition.

>Well, there's the award winning educational software series from
>Mandarin (the FUN - 2 - 3 ones) for one.  Also, on page 1 of the AMOS
	       ^^^^^^^^^^^

Let me point out before anyone gets confused that it is the Fun-School-2,
(Fun-School-3, Fun-School-4, etc) series that is written in AMOS.  *Not* 
the FUN-2-3 series.

Our edutainment program called "AMY'S FUN-2-3 ADVENTURE" is written in both 
C and assembly.  By the way, it's a great Christmas gift for the kids. :-)     

David Alves
Devasoft - 408/927-9645
devasoft@cup.portal.com
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Psygnosis HD support
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:45:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov22.094551.5263
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> Hear, hear!  I was very impressed with Psygnosis' Lemmings II
> and Walker demos, and I may buy them *IF* they are HD installable.
> If they only run from floppy, I will spend my money on something
> else.

I agree 100%... NO HD UNFRIENDLY SOFTWARE NEED APPLY... there's just too
many good programs out there that DO use all of my system's resources.



        -=- Ed


* Edward E. Brown II             * Internet: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com *
* Chemist On A Mission From GOD! * FidoNet:  1:105/135               *
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
               Annoy the media...THINK for yourself!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu (Richard L. Dyson)
Subject: Re: WB 2.1.
Reply-To: dyson@sunfish.Physics.UIowa.EDU
Organization: Department of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:37:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.013408.6770@hubcap.clemson.edu>, charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
> terry@helios.UCSC.EDU (Terry Ricketts) writes:
> >   This weekend I picked up the WB 2.1 enhancer kit from my local Amiga
> >dealer (HT Electronics). The installation was easy. The docs do not list
> >the changes from the previous version. Aside from the obvious inclusion of
> >CrossDos and the new method of mounting devices I have not yet seen any
> >major changes. I do remember seeing a posting some time ago that listed
> >the changes in 2.1. If someone has it could they repost it? Now that the
> >update is out more people will be interested in seeing it. Thanks.
> 
> Also, what's the cost of this upgrade?

        My local dealer quoted $49.95 for the floppy.  More if you need
the ROM as well.

        I too am interested in hearing WHY I should upgrade to 2.1.  (I
already have CrossDOS 5.0)

rick
--
Richard L. Dyson               INTERNET:  dyson@sunfish.Physics.UIowa.EDU
Everything science  has  taught  me  --  and  continues  to  teach me --
strengthens my belief in the continuity of our spiritual existence after
death.
        Nothing disappears without a trace.
                                                --Wernher Von Braun
From: peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: lharc and lzh
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:17:07 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc

Can someone email me the location of an up to date version of lharc,
preferably compressed with an old version of something.  I cannot find
anything that looks like it on amiga.physik...  Is there a newer
'do it all' packer?

Also what is the address for wuarchive?
--
Peter Wake
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga product reviews in BYTE!
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:47:03 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University


     Well, while I wait to hear the results of the 'Win an a4000' contest
(Geez, this guy's impatient...but the winners _were_ supposedly announced
today), I thought this might interest everyone...

In several issues this year, (including the latest one), BYTE magazine has
started mentioning the Amiga.  Hell, in the newest one, they actually 
_reviewed_ two Amiga-only products! (one of which, a 16-bit sound board, I 
forget which one, was compared to actually having an 8-track recording 
studio, and put the Mac contender to shame...).  They even reviewed Bars &
Pipes Pro.
     Now, I'm not complaining about the sudden interest in covering the Amiga,
but isn't it interesting that they started the coverage about the same time
C= threw tens of thousands of dollars at them for two-page spread ads?  It
smells funky from this end... must a company advertise with them before their
platform gets reviewed?  I never see Nexts or Suns advertised, but they don't
hesitate to mention them in just about every issue.

Oh, well.  Whatever the reason, I'm just happy it's finally getting coverage
in something other than an Amiga mag.

-- 
+--------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here---------+
  Mark C. Langston   |  "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny."                 
  Psychology Dept.   |  "Always listen to experts.  They'll tell you what can't
  Memphis State U.   |     be done, and why.  Then do it."                      
      "Pftph!"       |           -From the notebooks of Lazarus Long         
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From: mustang@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Paul Christopher Miranda (I love Cheese))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Help me set up my Archive Viper 2150 (mountlist)
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:25:57 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I have been wrestling with this for a few hours now and haven't really
gotten anywhere....
I have my new tape drive hooked up to my GVP Combo board and it seems
to respond properly.. the magtape command will rewind and retension it,
and HDBackup appears to write to it.. the problem is that it uses up
an entire 150 meg tape by the time it reaches 15 megs of hard drive,
then starts running backwards through the tape and starts foward again.
no errors occur at all the whole time. I doubt it is writing to the
tape since my screen blanker (set at a low priority) slows down quite
a bit when the hard drive is accessed, but is unaffected by access to 
the tape. When I try to restore anything it just locks up the machine.
I think I have the brutab file set up properly, but I hae no mountlist
entry for the drive.. do I need one ? and most importantly, what does
a mountlist entry look like for a tape drive ?

-Thanks alot, Paul Miranda


-- 
"I have feelings too, I just choose to  | Paul Miranda  likes cheese 
 to hide them underneath bitter denial" | mustang@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
-- Ms. Musso on "Parker Lewis" (FOX TV) | -- THIS SPACE FOR RENT -- 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mabac@lysator.liu.se (Mattias Back`n)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:54:01 GMT

rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:

>marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:

>Piracy _is not_ theft.  I will concede that piracy may be morally and 
>legally _wrong_, but it is _not_ theft.  Theft, by definition, implies 
>depriving a person of his physical property, and anticipated profits _are 
>not physical property_.  They cannot be quantified with any degree of 
>certitude.  The ONLY way I could ever buy this argument would be if the 
>program had to be re-written each time a copy was sold, in which case I 
>would have to agree it was quite similar.  However, data can be 
>reproduced over and over at almost no additional cost, so the comparison 
>of real world, hand tooled goods is innacurate. 

I'd rather define piracy as forgery than theft. It's true that you
doesn't take any physical property from the author, but you make an 
exact replica (at least very close to) of the original and some
go even further and spread/sell replicas to others. I see a strong
similarity with art-forgery here, and _that_ is certainly illegal
even if the paintings aren't sold. ( Artists making replicas of 
paintings aren't allowed to make them in the original size you
know..)
It could also be compared with forgering money, afterall money
isn't worth anything until you use it and that goes for pirated
software also - it's worth something when you sell it. 

------------------------------------
Mattias Backen  mabac@Lysator.LiU.Se
------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber)
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
Organization: Smith College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:22:26 GMT

In article <92323.182614BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu> Blaise Tarr <BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>on the road to memory protection.  When a message is passed (or rather a
>pointer to the message), the area with the message essentially belongs to
>the process receiving the message.  The MMU tables can be modified so the
>receiving process has access to the message until it has sent a ReplyMsg().

...BUT, how is the OS going to know what memory constitues the
message?  If I use a message to pass a pointer to a structure
full of pointers to other bits of data, there could be dozens of
little pieces of message floating around.  The only thing that
can know for sure the extent of the message is the application
sending it.  The receiving application can usually find out but
even it has to have some pre-programmed knowledge of what to look
for.

Sure, I can now use MEMF_PUBLIC when I allocate that memory but
that still leaves about 99% of current programs that would fall
flat on their face.  Though I will never say never, I cannot at
this moment see any way to (1) make protected memory happen (2)
not break existing software and (3) not take a huge performance
hit in the process.  

-john
-- 
=== jfieber@sophia.smith.edu ================================================
======================================= Come up and be a kite!  --K. Bush ===
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: Betting on an A1800
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
	<Bxyrq1.6so@newcastle.ac.uk>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:47:56 GMT

In article <Bxyrq1.6so@newcastle.ac.uk> unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:

>   hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:
>
>   >unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
>
>   >>Just guesswork this, but Commodore seem to have left room for a
>   >>machine between the A1200, and the forthcoming A1500/2000
>   >>replacement.
>
>   >Yep. A big gap. 
>
>   >>My guess is that at some point, probably next year, a new low
>   >>cost machine (probably called the A1800) will appear at around
>   >>the 500-700 pound price mark.

Actually, I wouldn't bet on anything like an A1800.  Commodore doesn't
have the resources to fill all the perceived "gaps" in their product
line.  Heck, they haven't even made a laptop yet.

>   I am talking about a LOW COST machine, that would compete with the
>   Falcon, and the '486's.  There is the room for it, and it does
>   make sense to come in with a better machine at the 500 - 700 pound
>   mark.  The above machine does not fill this middle ground.

I don't think Commodore feels it needs to be any stronger than the
A1200 to compete with the Falcon (I agree).
-- 
Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:36:07 GMT

In article <By1rDs.68q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jas54553@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry A. Segler Jr.) writes:
>An interesting Debate... Although I must agree that Piracy can't be equated
>to theft directly... In principal yes but not directly...
>
>Take this as a small example of what I mean.
>
>5 people chip in to buy that new game or whatever... Under most people's
>definition that is Piracy but each person believes they are "morally" correct 
>since they did pay for the program (at least partially)...
>
>Is this Piracy? And if so who gets set to jail all 5 or an arbitrary 4 of the
>5? Also what was stolen?
>
>Comments? (surely) Flames? (probably)

Yes it is piracy, but there is little chance that any of them would ever go
to jail.  It does not really matter whether or not these hypothetical pirates
can moralize their actions, it is still a crime under current laws.  Whether
or not they agree with the law does not matter and they must accept that if
they are going to be a part of society.

Now, having said that, I'm sure that the arguement will come up that not all
laws are good.  I will be the first to agree with that, but I do not support
the breaking of a law no matter how bad it may be.  If one does not agree
with a law, the answer is not to break it, rather one should attempt to change
it.

How can one do so?  In the USA we should be able to petition our government,
but this has become nearly impossible for anyone except the very rich.  The
current and soon to be current administrations see nothing wrong with this
process, so that route is effectively closed for another four years.  But
there is still a means by which anyone can challenge the laws, the judicial
system.

Admittedly, this is not an ideal route either, but it is more likely to 
result in a change than leaving it to a group of politicians.  A person or
a group who disagrees with a law can challenge such a law in the courts,
but thus far there seems to be little evidence that the piracy-advocates
are willing to do so.  If they truly believe in their actions, they will
stand up to the system and challenge the laws instead of breaking them and
hiding like common thieves.

The message that I am trying to convey is simply this: If you disagree with
the law, make the attempt to change it instead of breaking it.

>-Jerry
>
>            "Now back to our regularly scheduled flame wars."
>-- 
> "I didn't do it... Nobody saw me do it... You can't prove anything!!!"
>	-Bart Simpson
> "I think the surest sign of Intelligent life in the Universe is that fact
>  that none of it has tried to contact us" -Calvin & Hobes & Many others.


Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Betting on an A1800
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:47:25 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: n08dp@tuda


Just guesswork this, but Commodore seem to have left room for a machine between
the A1200, and the forthcoming A1500/2000 replacement.

My guess is that at some point, probably next year, a new low cost machine
(probably called the A1800) will appear at around the 500 - 700 pound price mark.

It will probably have a 68030 processor, as opposed to the 68020 processor in
the A1200.   To justify the price, a hard drive will probably be included, along
with an HD drive.

It makes sense, as this ground (in Britain anyway) is covered by the Atari Falcon,
and the A1200 is not up to competing with this machine.   A low cost 68030 Amiga
would.

And such a machine would help against the increasing PC competition (over here
at least).

By the way, is the story about a `386 emulator for the A600 a wind up?

The story appeared in the latest Amiga Format in Britain.   I just can't see how
it can be done!

							The beef sandwich.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No flickerfixer in A4k?  Vhat ees thees?
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:11:15 GMT

In article <BxvsE6.Iz@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.140137.17057@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>Marc, if you don't believe me, please feel free to come on down and see it in
>>action. 
>
>   Are you willing to give me transportation and pay for gas?  I would kind
>of like to see an A4000 at least once.  But there are no Amiga dealers 
>within 150 miles of Ames that have the A4000.  Commodore's "Campus Amiga
>dealer" for the ISU campus is both 40 miles off-campus and no longer stocks
>Commodore products.  The closest ones are 150 miles east and 150 miles
>west, and I refuse to go out of my way to at enormous costs to me in time
>and money just to see a piece of plastic, silicon, and metal.
>
>>Don't make the mistake of trying to tell me what the A4000 and A3000 can
>>or cannot do based on what you have heard. 
>
>   My perceptions of the A3000 come from extensive personal experience. 
>It is just the A4000 that I have not used, and have no real desire to
>use.  The A4000 is the first Amiga that I have no desire whatsoever to
>own.  If somebody gave me one, I'd sell it for the down-payment on a car.
>

Why don't you give it to me instead?????


Terje Marthinussen
terjem@stud.cs.uit.no
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From: eachus@Dr_No.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: How do you get it to run? (was: Re: populous ii)
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
	<r_w1n0c@rpi.edu>
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:34:57 GMT


     Two points:  First the keyclicks going to the workbench is not
specific to the A3000, it happens on my 1000's as well.

     Second, the simple solution is to clear the workbench before
playing, the easiest way is probably to open a CLI window to full
size, run some application which keeps the window open, and then type
endcli.  What I actually do is, since I use morerows, just move all
icons out of the 640x400 area. :-)

--

					Robert I. Eachus

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