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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:43:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.170833.921@spss.com> nichols@spss.com (David Nichols) writes (in reply to a reply from me):
>Notre Dame is a school of about 10000 students. They have stricter scholastic
>requirements than all but a few division 1-A schools. Yet they manage to
>field top flight football teams on a consistent basis. No one else among
>similar schools even comes close.

I know what ND's like, I was there for 4 years. (Unfortunately all during
the Faust years. :( Even Faust always had talented, top notch teams, he just
couldn't guide them to win the big games consistently.)

>Obviously, there must be something different about them. There is. They
>have a mystique and an attraction unlike any other program. This affects
>the referees and the pollsters. If you don't believe it, fine. I doubt

I also believe that factors like that affect refs and pollsters. I agree
with you on that (can you imagine that?), and never said I didn't. 
Afterall, they're human.  I just think it's wrong to assume that the
affect is always a net positive in ND's favor. Those reasons are why some
people either seem to love ND or hate it. I could easily use that argument
to claim that ND get mostly hurt. But, I said that overall, it's
fair to assume that the positive and negative biases roughly balance out
over the long term.  And most schools have similar reasons to feel like
refs and pollsters are biased for/against them. It's human nature, and
it's part of the game!  (Not being biased, being played and judged by
humans!  :) ) 


-
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA

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From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Who's #3 in Big 10
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:45:47 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	Just a quick question.  Who is vying for third place in the Big 10
(11)?  I understand they will be playing in the Holiday Bowl.  Sounds like BYU
would do much better playing in the Freedom Bowl or the Aloha Bowl if it is
still an option.  The Copper Bowl doesn't seem to hold a lot of promise as far
as getting 2 good teams.  I'd rather see BYU lose a tough game than have them
play a dud, winning by 40 pts.  The way BYU is playing right now, they will
give most any team a good hard game.  Good Luck.

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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Va Tech and UVa predictions
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:18:21 GMT
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In article <1eir8rINNkkn@rave.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
>
>Welsh is supposed to name UVa's starting QB today:  it is between
>the faltering Bobby Goodman and the #3 backup Mike Groh (sp?).

We may have to wait until game time to see which one he sends out. He
also said on the UVa Football Show last week that he's not adverse to using
both of them for this game. Ordinarily, Welsh said he would never do this,
but with Virginia's offensive problems, he may be forced to try
different things. (What a concept!)

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NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
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From: jay@puppsr12.Princeton.EDU (Jay Shrauner)
Subject: Bowl Matchups
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:20:46 GMT

Ok, I know 90% of the people on this newsgroup must know this stuff
better than I do, so somebody help me out.  I'm only concerned with
New Years Day bowl matchups, because I'm trying to figure out if
Stanford will go to one...

First off, remaining matchups between the current top 15:  
(that I can think up--some may be wrong)
	Miami/Syracuse
	Florida/FSU
	Florida/Alabama
	Notre Dame/USC
	Alabama/Georgia?

Assume there are no upsets, then I figure we have

1.  Sugar Bowl--Miami(1)/Alabama(2)
2.  Cotton Bowl--Texas A&M (3/4)/FSU(3/4)
3.  Rose Bowl--Washington(5)/Michigan(6)
4.  Orange Bowl--Nebraska/
5.  Fiesta Bowl--Notre Dame(7)/
6.  Blockbuster Bowl--PSU(if they win!)/
7.  Yet another bowl--

Now after this I'm not sure.  I figure ND will end up in the Fiesta
because they will want better competition than Nebraska.
So I figure there are 5 spots left for other teams, but I can't guess how
far some teams like Syracuse will fall if they lose.

I figure Syracuse, Stanford, Georgia, USC, Colorado, Florida, and NC State
have shots at those 5 spots (maybe Arizona)--what does everyone else think?
But if we assume no upsets, Florida, Syracuse, USC, and Georgia(?) will
fall, leaving Stanford at #11 in the AP and likely I suppose for the
Blockbuster Bowl?

Jay Shrauner

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Things to be THANKFUL for
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:37:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.142708.13010@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>
>Well, Its been a long hard disappointing season for the Wahoos. From #10 to
>not even going to a bowl game.

	Why?  If these ridiculous Big Ten teams were considered for
	bowls at 6-5 (or 6-4-1), why isn't 7-4 Virginia?

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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: Great Big 8 QBs
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 08:06:56 GMT

In article <4cag03SAbc5.00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.143251.8737@sparky.imd.sterling.com> marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson) writes:
>>In a recent followup, I asked about the status of some of the great OU QBs and
>>I got to thinking that there have been a lot of great QBs in the Big 8, what
>>course did their careers take, and what are they up to now?  I've started a
>>list, anybody know about these players? Anybody have anybody to add?
>>
>>   Jack Mildren - OU alum - ?
				political office holder in Oklahoma
>>
>>
>>   Thomas Lott - OU alum - NFL???
>>                           Holds an elected office in Okla, Preacher
>Lott played for New Jersey in the USFL when Fairbanks was the coach.
				But it is JC. Watts that is the Corporation
				Commisioner in Oklahoma, not Lott.  He
				was one of the nominators for Bush at
				Republican National Convention.  
				And the only African American face I saw 
				there the entire week.
>>   Mike Gundy - OSU Alum - ??
				Mike is the QB coach at OSU

>	Rusty Hilger - OSU - Raiders starting QB for a few
                                crappy NFL QB for Raiders, Seahawks third
				string currently.

>	JC. Watts - OU -  perhaps somebody already mentioned him. I believe 

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
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Subject: Re: Big Eight review of Preview(11-17)
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:05:57 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <JOHNDOE92Nov18.145332@samadams.inmet>, johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe) writes:
>actually, the order is correct, but one of the particulars is wrong.  being
>a buffs fan, i hate to admit this, but nu is 4-1 in the conference, not 4-2.
>
Yep, you're right.  I must have been anticipating a KSU win over
the Mighty Huskers when updating their records.
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From: weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK)
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:42 CST  

In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes...
>Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
>best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Fightn' Texas Aggie Band has NEVER lost a halftime!!!


> 
>jc
>-- 
> 

GIG'EM  AGS!!!

Mark Weyland
Texas A&M University - Class of '88
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Wake Forest/Virginia - Bowl Hopes
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:01:06 GMT
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In article <1edgfsINNrf4@rave.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
>>This means that Virginia's slim bowl hopes just went down the tubes.
>>AD Jim Copeland conceeded that a bowl invitation is, at  best, a
>>long shot. The only possibility is to have a team that is being
>>looked at by a minor bowl fail to qualify by winning the required
>>6 games against Division I-A opponents.
>
>But Kevin, your Cavaliers have to beat my Hokies first...
>
>I wouldn't consider that a given...

First of all, I'm Charlie - perhaps you have me confused with one of 
your fellow Turkey fans. You are correct in that in order to qualify
for a bowl, UVa must beat Virginia Tech and at this point, I wouldn't
consider UVa over anyone a given. But, the point is, even with a win
and a 7-4 record, UVa has almost no chance of going to any bowl. Up
until yesterday's news, there was still some hope.


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NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
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From: C14565@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Yolanda Watson)
Subject: bayou classic attendance
Organization: Motorola
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:05:18 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bayou Classic?
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:28:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

(Scott Barman) writes:
>I was trying to spend some time in New Orleans during Thanksgiving not
>thinking it would be a "Hot Spot" for a mini-vacation at this time of
>year.  So in trying to get hotel reservations they tell me that
>Thanksgiving Weekend is the Bayou Classic.  All I was able to find out
>is it is a college football game.  Does anyone have more details on it?
>Who is involved, etc.?

Why that's the annual tussle between Grambling State and Southern
University (Baton Rouge), sir.  These two predominantly black colleges
square off every year in the Dome, and its pretty much considered their
BOWL game, regardless of records.  GSU and SU alums are known to fly in
from all over the country for this party on the Bayou.

I am a recent su graduate.  Will you be attending the classic and
are you a graduate from on of these fine schools?
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From: jim@atvl.panasonic.com (Jim Kresse)
Subject: Re: ND and southern teams (was: FSU 1993 Sc
Reply-To: jim@atvl.panasonic.com
Organization: Panasonic ATVL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:15:35 GMT

In article Js0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.172258.6800@cs.ucla.edu>, 
>reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes...
>> 
>>Relative to the number of great teams there are in the south, Notre Dame's
>>schedule tends to be underrepresented in southern teams.  

[some stuff deleted]

>>  Part of the
>>reason is doubtless that many of Notre Dame's traditional rivals are from
>>the east or midwest, part of the reason is a desire to avoid too much long
>>travel (though that doesn't stop home and home series with USC, Stanford,
>>Air Force, or BYU), but, otherwise, I don't really know why Notre Dame's
>>schedule is so light on southern teams.  I don't think this is changing
>>much in the upcoming years, as I remember ND's future schedules.  Other
>>than the games with Florida State, I don't remember any other southern
>>teams coming onto ND's schedule.
>> 
>>-- 
>>		Peter Reiher
>>		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
>> 
>===============================================================================
>Future new ND opponents through 1997:
>FSU 93-94
>Vanderbilt 95-96
>Texas 95-96
>Army 95
>Ohio State 95-96
>Washington 95-96
>Rutgers 96
>LSU 97
>West Virginia 97
>Miami (OH) 97
>This seems to be pretty well spread out geographically. 

A number of factors influences ND future schedules:

1.  They try to maintain certain rivalries which have been built up over the years.
    Most of these turn out to be Eastern or Midwestern schools, with the exception
    of USC.

2.  They try to keep a geographic balance.  After the "traditional" games, there
    are only so many games left in a season.

3.  They try to have away games where there is a concentration of alumni.  This
    would explain games against schools like Rutgers.

4.  Lately they have been trying to arrange games against schools which have
    similar academic programs (no flames, please!).  This explains schools like
    Stanford and Vanderbilt.

5.  ND tries to arrange multi-year deals when possible, so there tends to be streaks
    in schedules.  (I know I'm probably showing my age by admitting this, but I
    remember playing a number of games against South Carolina, Mississippi, and
    I think even Clemson.)

6.  Over the last few years, they have been concentrating
    on reducing travel expenses where possible, which is why they primarily
    focused on the East and Midwest.

As a result of items 3-6, the South has tended to be underrepresented,
the last few years especially.

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jim@atvl.panasonic.com
Standard disclaimers apply

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From: 5rtrtrt@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.e.stealey)
Subject: Re: Rutgers in a bowl ?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:59:09 GMT

> > 
> > Students at Rutgers are talking about a possible bid by the Liberty
> > bowl, in adddition to the Independence bowl.  
> 
> A year with so many Big-10 disappointments that Rutgers may
> have to go to two bowls.  Ouch.

Orin, 
I should have said "Liberty Bowl OR Independance bowl."  
I didn't mean to imply two bids.  My main concern is where they are
so I can plan the trip (IF we go, that is.  Shreveport in December doesn't
exactly rank up there with Miami, Fla.  !).

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From: treincke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim Reincke)
Subject: Illinois vs. Anne Arbore HS (was: Michigan versus Champagne-Urbana) 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:47:28 GMT

Did VP Quayle go to Michigan?  

Quayle: Please spell: 'Champaign'

Student: "C-h-a-m-p-a-i-g-n"

Quayle: No, that's 'C-h-a-m-p-a-g-n-e'

BZZT!

Perhaps you've had a little too much champagne???  ;)

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:03:30 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 Eats Own Children

In article <1992Nov23.041242.24130@henson.cc.wwu.edu>,
n8443916@henson.cc.wwu.edu (John Gossman) says:
>
>        Well, here we are again, with no Pac-10 teams in the
>national championship hunt by virtue of the fact that they have all
>pounded each other all year and none survived undefeated (or even
>one-defeated).  Those last week rivalries just KILL the Pac-10's
>hopes year after year.  How many times have USC and UCLA and p
>plastered each other in the last week either keeping the other
>from going to the Rose Bowl and just upsetting the others chances
>of a high ranking.  And how many times have the Cougars screwed
>a good season for the Huskies.  Personally, when the day comes that
>WSU is 10-0 and going for the Roses, I hope the UW loses to them...
>but I wish the Cougar fans had the same attitude towards us.

Well, welcome to the world of strong conferences.  This is waht
happens:  the conference beats the shit out of itself, making it
extremely hard for anyone to come out of the conference undefeated.
It's been  happening in the SEC for years.  To a certain extent,
it's been happening this year in the SEC as well, certainly in the
SEC East.

Though I must admit, most people try to claim that when this sort of
thing happens it is because the conference just isn't as good as it
thinks it is.

I bet those Rose Bowl officials are ready to leap off tall buildings
in a single bound by now . . .


Jim Thomas
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan Wolverines:  Princes of the Ties
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:23:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: sting@hfglobe.intel.com's message of Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:56:48 GMT

}} In article <By4y6p.E4I@hfglobe.intel.com> sting@hfglobe.intel.com (Joe Bennett) writes:
}} 
}} The most amazing thing about it is that the Michigan haters will try to
}} turn this tie as well into "Michigan played for the tie."  Just like the
}} ND game, enough of them will say that's what happened and then it will
}} be a net.fact.

It is obvious that Moeller decided, with about 1:00 to go and the ball
on his own 5, that he would not try to win the game.  I cannot blame
him, as the odds were high that he would end up losing (Collins looked
shaky, tOSU was laying back, waiting for a pass, and Williams can hit
fields goals from long range).

Ergo, Moeller did play for the tie, but it was the right thing to do,
and I don't see how you can fault him.  When the running game
unexpectedly moved the ball out to the 40, he went for two long
passes.  Fault him for poor clock management if you will, but I don't
think any reasonable fan expected a 95 yard drive in 50 seconds from a
backup QB, against a defense that had shut them down for most of the
day.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
             Hear, hear! Who's here who knows whose booze this is?

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Texas Got Screwed--SWC is a Goner
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:24:06 GMT

John R. Boisseau (Jay) (boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: game were _biased_... bad, yes, but not biased. And most of the bad
: officiating I have seen has been in the SWC. But I now believe it is
: sometimes _biased_.
: 
: Texas got SCREWED this weekend. Both teams played well enough at times

Jay, Jay, Jay...

If it makes you feel any better, the SWC basketball teams will begin play next
week, and those SWC B-ball referees will make you forget all about this game.

GT
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From: salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas)
Subject: Big Ten Question
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:41:14 GMT

Next year when PS joins the Big 10, of course there will be eleven teams.
How many in conference games will each Big 10 team will play?
Hopefully not ten in conference games. I will like to see teams like 
Michigan and PS to play some out of conference games. Like PS-ND match-ups.

thanks

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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: ACC needs football respect!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:13:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.020737.19472@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
> ACC Football   CONF     ALL        Pac-10 Football  CONF    ALL
>
> N.C. State     6-2-0    9-2-1      Stanford         6-2-0   9-3-0

Just compare the out of conf games... who did NC State tie? Virginia Tech! HA!
Who did Stanford lose to? A&M, who is still unbeaten! They also beat Notre dame
at home!

> North Carolina 5-3-0    8-3-0      Washington St.   5-3-0   8-3-0

Who did North Carolina beat?

> Virginia       4-4-0    7-4-0      USC              5-3-0   6-3-1

Who did Virginia beat? Navy, William & Mary and Va. Tech!
USC - Oklahoma! (and quite possibly Notre Dame!)

> Wake Forest    4-4-0    6-5-0      Arizona          4-3-1   6-4-1

ha! This is a good one! Wake forest-Arizona?!? Gimme a break!

> Clemson        3-5-0    5-5-0      Oregon           4-4-0   6-5-0

Clempson lost to South Carolina!

> Maryland       2-6-0    3-8-0      UCLA             3-5-0   6-5-0

you mean to say 3-8 is same as 6-5?

> NOW, YOU HAVE TO AGREE!!! ABOUT EVEN!! It's plain as day.......
> Give the ACC the respect it deserves.

I think if you take FSU out, what you have is a third rate conference.
I'm sure the bowl games will make it clear.

>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu

Njan
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From: jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com (John Phillips)
Subject: Re: Computer Rankings (Re: Marsee Computer Ran
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:00:04 GMT
Reply-To: jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article <92324.093917JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Let's see--
>
>Nebraska loses to IOWA STATE!!! and they're still ranked #2?!?

:>Ramana Kolluri writes

:>The Only computer ranking worth anything (atleast for this week :-) ) is
:>the New York Times ranking. They have the Tide No. 1 by a wide margin.
:
:
:>Actually I have to be careful about what I say because I intend writing
:>a ranking program for the next season and things I say now could very
:>easily come back to haunt me if my program has similar results.

I have also thought of writing such a program, but have not found the time.
I believe in giving Defensive statistics more weight than scoring margins.

J.P.
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