HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:20:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

> Arne, you're a whiner.

(adolphso)
/Bob, you're a pathetic excuse for a homosexual.


I don't know if I should be mad, or thank you profusely. . . 


(adolphso)
/You know, asshole, you have some nerve trying to blame me (and
/forgive me, but I don't ever remember having met you) 

You get to know someone from their writings sometimes. . .


/(adolphso)
/for the self-loathing and internalized homophobia felt by closeted gay men.

There's that word again:  homophobia.  What is it with you, Arne?
Things you can't understand / don't agree with just get dumped into
an all-inclusive category, "homophobe"?

Are you sure that you're not a fundamentalist Xtian or something?
You have this knack for avoiding thinking things through critically
and a simultaneous desire to take things on faith.


/The only thing keeping closeted gay men in the closet is the 
/closeted gay men themselves.

Right.  And the only thing keeping rape victims from coming forward
is themselves.  Not the bad media press, not the slanted judicial
system, not the public humiliation, nosiree.  Nothing else; it's their 
own fault, and what other people do doesn't impact their decision
one whit.

Christ, what a moron.

Again:  if flamboyant gays didn't act so bizarre, it would be a 
hell of a lot easier for people on the edge of the closet to step
across that threshhold.  It is simple human nature to avoid being
associated with a group of people that stands out for socially 
negative reasons.  Why do you resist such a basic conclusion 
as this?

It all depends on what is more important to you:  the right
to act in a bizarre fashion, or political progress & social
acceptance.


/ Begone, asshole, you're not even much fun to fuck with.

Aw, Arne, and we were havin' such a good time, too . . .

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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Ian McKellan
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:25:25 GMT

In article <14601@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
>Ian McKellan (I don't believe his knighthood is one in which it is
>proper to refer to him as Sir, though I may be wrong)[...]

You are wrong.  It is entirely correct to refer to him as "Sir Ian".

>He has used his current tour as vehicle for his activism, so it is
>hardly surprising that he should keep mentioning it on the Leno show.
>There was an NPR interview with McKellan a few weeks ago, and they
>actually extended its airtime to a second day, which was exclusively
>devoted to his ideas about coming out and gay youth.
>
>He is a very passionate and articulate speaker on gay rights, and I
>think we should be glad to have him speaking out.

He is an establishment dupe.  The "gay rights" that he and Stonewall,
his gang of cronies, are petitioning Parliament oh-so-politely for
are not what I want.

If I want a speaker to represent me, I don't want a white male Tory
lapdog Serious Actor.  I'd rather have a fighter than a speaker,
though.

				Kay
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From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:14:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.033954.28682@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson  
Minar) writes:
> In article <1358@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
> >jojo writes:
> >>I think everyone should serve in the army for a year unless they  
are
> >>a concientious objector in which case they are forced to fill
> >>potholes in Boston roads for a few months.
> >Sounds OK to me.

> there's a word for this system. It's called slavery.
 
> or are you and Jojo volunteering to serve first?

In other stuff people have commented on the niceness of such
a system.  For a while I thought that a one year or 18 month
required service that would start as soon as a person got
out of high school might be nice.  It would be required of
_everyone_ except the most disabled.  It was my idea that
such a service could be used to ensure literacy in everyone
(since the school system doesnt), provide cheap labor for
projects that would otherwise not get funding (fill in the
potholes, do trail work in the wilderness, teach in outlying
schools...), and provide a mixing pot for people of different
races and cultures (in the hope of reducing interracial
tensions).

Now, I think this is a terrible idea.  Not just because of
the compulsory aspects (I still believe that if there is to
be a draft and if _anyone_ serves in combat, then _everyone_
should serve, man, woman, faggot, dyke...) but because of
a number of social problems it would bring up.  These
range from displacement of people from jobs to a solidification
of federal governmental power.  Finally, it just wouldnt
work, damn it. 

--
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 23:54:15 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: UNGAY GAY

the graduated cylinder thing wouldn't work so well on me, i think.
i float like a ping-pong ball.  i credit it to the big boobs...
but when at the lake, i generally lie on my back with my arms folded
behing my head and my legs crossed, and float nicely along...  i can
also float while standing upright...

                                   -ailsa
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: first batch of GIFs from the con
Date: 12 Aug 92 00:20:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: vpnet.1992Aug12.002039.11654
Organization: Vpnet Public Access

In article <thaaang.713427963@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>
>And I *don't* *understand* *ANY* of it!!! Come *on*, guys, can't we
>*please* just talk about *sex* or something? My brain hurts...

    Is that all you do - TALK about it?  :-)

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From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: la.motss
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:44:29 GMT

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>   If you are interested in signing up for the la-motss mailing list,
>you interested in subscribing to the mailing list send a request
>to la-motss-request@pompei.usc.edu. Kraig is currently doing this
>by hand, so be kind :-)

Oh, cool! Can I join even though I live in Troy, NY? After all, I just got
back from Los Angeles on Saturday and I'm going back this Friday, till school
starts at the end of the month...

Maybe this time more people will show up to events at Highways!
Well Bryan and I had a BLAST atg the Pomo Afro Homos performace, so there!

:-)
-- 
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vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``Our erogenous zones are not demilitarized.''--Essex Hemphill,_Ceremonies_.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:53:29 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug18.230204.3930@queernet.org>
rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A.  Klorese) writes:

>>LOST FRIENDS

>>rob@mtdiablo.concord.ca.us <Rob Bernardo>

>jayt@drbear.com <Jay Tyson>

Oh, no.  Rest in peace.  Be remembered by us all.

(groan)

-- 
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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Credit Union Memberships for Domestic Partners?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:11:07 GMT

Tom Barrett wrote:
> ... maybe you can contact the gay/lesbian credit
> union in dallas (they advertise their low-interest visa in the
> advocate... sorry address/phone/name isn't handy) and ask them
> for advice on how to handle the situation.
---------- 
It just happens I saved that address (thanks to aberson@enh.nist.gov):

Dallas Gay Alliance Credit Union
PO Box 190712
Dallas, TX  75219

For anyone who might be interested.

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com  (Hewlett-Packard Co., Santa Rosa, CA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pcm@cs.brown.edu (Peter C. McCluskey)
Subject: Re: be kind to small furry animals
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:55:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.083946.8377@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
|> PETA then read this, completely out of context, and said "oh my god
|> here is this guy advocating the abuse of small furry animals and we
|> have to stop him now". They sent a letter to the President of Reed
|> College, enclosing my posting, and asking that the college prosecute
|> me for violating various laws involving advocacy of animal abuse.

Laws against ADVOCATING animal abuse? Where did they come from?
Has the First Amendment been repealed?

-- 
         hardcore signature virus: "As a juror in a Trial by Jury, 
         you have the right, power and duty to acquit the defendant 
                 if you judge the law itself to be unjust."
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jeans
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:40:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64366@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug21.151439.19989@panix.com>

r l reid writes:
>(George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>I prefer Levis for the very simple reason they're the only jeans 
>>that come with a BUTTON fly.  I can indulge my preference for
>>going without underwear without worrying about pinching tender
>>bits or catching hairs in the damn zipper.
>
>Well, I can dig it, but I got a question - how do you avoid that
>embaressing wet spot after you pee?

What's "embarrassing" about it?
 
() God's laughing, of course. All HE has to do is lift His
() little finger and He's got a thousand sycophantic, prissy
() little angels dancing 'round His beck and call. *I'm*
() lumbered with Anger and Sloth.
()      -- George Spiggot (a/k/a Lucifer) from _Bedazzled_.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: redefining masculinity
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:49:50 GMT

William Tsun-Yuk Hsu (hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu) wrote:
 
: Being a radio fag...
------------
So, tell us how we can hear you!  

Mike Drayton (posting thru tin for the first time!)
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:42:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.002050.3426@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>/The only thing keeping closeted gay men in the closet is the 
>/closeted gay men themselves.
>
>Right.  And the only thing keeping rape victims from coming forward
>is themselves.  Not the bad media press, not the slanted judicial
>system, not the public humiliation, nosiree.  Nothing else; it's their 
>own fault, and what other people do doesn't impact their decision
>one whit.

That would be a really cool analogy, but only if you think that rape
survivors who go public, flaunt their experiences all over the news,
shove their sex lives down the throats of regular Americans, etc. make
it more difficult for normal-acting rape survivors.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Queer Nation Action Against Carnival Cruise Lines
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:06:04 GMT


Re: Carnival Cruis Lines

Austin, Texas has a gay travel agency, Leisure Travle Associates (LTA) - they
have a BBS whose phone number is (512) 280-1697.  If you know of gay travel
agencies in other cities, I would _strongly_ suggest contacting them and
letting them know about this.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:02:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.005723.27583@riacs.edu> drogers@riacs.edu (David Christopher Rogers) writes:

I really haven't put together the words for this, and there are others who
are far more knowledgeable (though probably equally favorably disposed) to
provide the accompanying text, so I will simply, and sadly, add to the
list:

>
>LOST FRIENDS
>
>rob@mtdiablo.concord.ca.us <Rob Bernardo>
jayt@drbear.com <Jay Tyson>

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Introduction
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:54:08 GMT
Organization: NIST

In article <1992Aug21.174447.20986@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Who'd want to be even 1% of a wizened old crow of 94?  Not even Jess!
>And by then, probably Donald will be way too old for me.  I'll be
>gumming the Nelsons Minar, Johns Dorrance, and Sims Aberson of soc.lgb

Why wait?  I kinda like teeth.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: need good bible arguments AGAINST the anti-gay passages
Summary: NYT op-ed page, 17 august 1992
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:11:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: out in linguistics, etc.

those of you who are trying to confront those who use the bible
as a weapon against gay people might be able to use the fine
piece on the new york times op-ed page this monday: "homophobic?
re-read your bible" by Peter J. Gomes, an American Baptist minister
and professor of Christian morals at Harvard.

arnold
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:29:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug18.212941.21378
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug18.150648.14682@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>Why not?  Because this Lovegod person has not proven 
>himself to be mean, or cruel, or homophobic, or any
>of the other adjectives which could describe someone
>who was worthy of derision.

Oh really?  You must have missed his "Midol/PMS" remarks.
The epitome of bitchy queeny misogyny.  A lot uglier than
Arne's remarks, IMHO.

>Because some of the people who read here and sometimes
>post here are not as flinty and thick-skinned as others,
>and may actually need some *support* and *acceptance*,
>and may actually be done some harm by being slapped in
>the face just for the fun of it.

Slapped in the face?

>Because bitterness and blase cruelty are ugly.  

Oh, please.  Arne's comments were about the mildest form of
"cruelty" I can imagine.  It's preposterous to describe them
with these words.

>Arne, you're a smart, witty, worldly person.
>I don't understand why you find it necessary 
>to be so toxic to people who really don't deserve it.

I think you have an Arne-bug up your butt, Greg.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:15:45 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Originator: stgprao@xing

Note a couple of prominent speakers at opening night of convention were never
married.  So is a prominent conservative talk show host originating
at the convention this week.  I wonder if there is anything in their closets?
Generally none of my business, unless they cast the first stone.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Disproving homophobia
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:51:03 GMT

In article <rc9mv3l.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>What's the equivalent proof that someone isn't homophobic?

What's the "proof" that someone is?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Bisexual just means you pay for it."
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Rock Hudson
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:06:08 GMT
Organization: NIST

Bob,

With your superior intellectual capacity, I don't understand how you
haven't been able to figure out that we are all too stupid to understand
what you are so simply trying to explain to us.  We obviously can never
understand what you are saying even though you know that we should behave
ourselves and be good little queers.  I can't believe you think that
any of us could possibly understand your premier ideas on human
relations.

We're all just so stupid we can never understand.  

Why are you still here?

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: rgaudre@triton.unm.edu (Ron Gaudreau)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta & Out! Magazine
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:19:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

For any person who may be coming to Albuquerque for the Hot Air Balloon
Fiesta the beginning of October, if you send me your mailing address,
I will send you the Sept. issue of Out! Magazine. You'll get a feel for
what is happening in our community & what we have. Of course, if you're in 
El Paso, Salt Lake or Juarez, then you can pick one up in your city since we
distribute within those locales.

Unfortunately I will not be able to send out the October issue because
it will come out to close to the Fiesta for anyone to get it in the
mail soon enough; but of course one could pick it up at any of the
local points listed in the magazine when you get here.

So if you want to get an issue, let me know and I'll send it out
when we get it back from the printer. 


-- 
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Arsenio
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:45:27 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.):
> Did anybody else see it?

sort of.  i fast-forwarded through magic johnson, heading
straight for kd.

i enjoyed her interview.  she came across so boyish,
innocent but determined to cut her own path, a bit
embarressed to be in the spotlight but having fun.  it
looked pretty clear to me that arsenio was nervous asking
about her sexuality -- he's such a wiesel.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:48:37 GMT

In article <Bt7AuA.11n@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:

>Roger B.A. Klorese (rogerk@queernet.org) wrote:
> 
>: OK, I will: as an alternative to military service, three or six months
>: every five years from age 18 to 65.
>
>I wonder how the money would work out, though.  I suppose
>people would have to try to save up to cover the difference
>between, in my case, an engineering salary and the mandatory service
>pay. 

I imagine that if this policy were implemented, the mandatory service
pay would be increased accordingly (or, at least, it would be assuming
our government to be a responsible one).

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: keeling@cs.utk.edu (Timothy Keeling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Smoky Mountain Region Vacation
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:40:39 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department

Thanks so much Jojo.  You described my world *much* better than I ever could.

To anyone passing through Knoxville (K-town) call me up, and I'll tell you
everything I know.  If your hungry I'll feed you, if you'll eat my cooking.
:-)

-- 
Tim Keeling                              |
1020 Oak Ave #1                          | Insert standard disclaimer here..
Knoxville, TN. 37921-6332   615-523-6806 |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: memorial wishes
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 18:13:10 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky):
> nowhere near a church and outside in the
> open air in a marvelous garden if possible. and in addition to the
> funny stories about me, i'd like people to describe times when they
> were just godawful *furious* with me

darling, when you die, we're gonna read, *out loud*, all those
sexy stories you've been posting to soc.motss in your time.
think of it!  it'll be Paradise Lost all over again!

jake, trying hard not to play with that "all over"
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon