HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: plck@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (David Pollack)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Mass sexism and racism in Beetle Bailey
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:24:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

I have been bothered by Cpl Yo too.  It does seem to take the author
quite some time to get his stereotypes to the point where they are less
offensive and more funny.  There still are times when I find Lt. Fuzz
more derogatory caricature than Sarge-flushing hip.

The strip whose nastiness REALLY bothers me, however, is Andy Capp.  I
haven't found him funny more than a very few times in all the years I've
seen him.  He may be a sendup of the typical British working-class lout
(except that he has never worked), but I find his every action entirely
too loutish to seem even remotely humorous.  The strip invariably ruins
my mood.  Does anyone else want to see it sent back to England?
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From: "Stephen C. Miller" <stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Calvin and Hobbes
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:58:42 -0500

>In article <1992Apr7.184259.6196@acsu.buffalo.edu> v121r529@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott A Elwood) writes:
>>Calvin and Hobbes is by far the best comic strip around.  Just trying to
>>start some arguments... 8)
>>
>>					A big fan,
>>					Scott Elwood   
>
>
No its not.  It's the worst.  Nyah Nyah.

Now we are having an argument!

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Bloom County and Outland
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:51:25 GMT

In article <steph.702713657@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>>Now _there_ is a class-act.  Bloom County was SUPERB for a number of
>>years, but it went down hill and the stripper (to use his term)
>>recognized the fact and let it go.  
>
>Unfortunately, he had to do "Outland".  Granted that Bloom County was 
>sinking towards the end, but Brethed took a quantum leap downwards.

What are you talking about?  Breathed gave up pretending that there
was any difference between Outland and Bloom County at least a year ago.
Mortimer Mouse isn't around ever, it's always Opus, Bill the Cat, and
a stereotypical feminist.  He even gave up the psychedelic look that
distinguished Outland from Bloom County.

Bloom County was pretty overrated to begin with.  By 1988, the satire
was frightfully shallow.
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From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: The Best Far Side cartoon
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:20:33 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

How about the one with the two trucks who have just crashed right in
front of this house and have lost all of their contents and a cat is
locked inside the house. It sees the trucks and is pressed up against
the window in a full sprawl. The two trucks are from "Jim's Small
Rodent's" and "Chuck's Bird Barn" or something like that.

--Vernon.
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: re:poll
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:49:43 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

I didn't think of this until someone sending their list brought it up:

Send you all-time favorite top 10 list.  The strips don't have to be
current, and if you want to qualify one to a certain era (eg. Peanuts-
1950s and 1960s), go ahead.


(so far, it doesn't look good for my favorite: Pogo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: M14430@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Gahan Wilson [was The best Far Side cartoons]
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:18:27 GMT

>>     This talk of the Far Side had me thinking of my favorite Gahan Wilson
>>cartoons.  Any other Gahan Wilson fans out there?  Two of my favorites are:
>>
Wilson is often a scathing social critic. My favorite was a full-page cartoon
from Playboy, which has always carried his work. I kept it hanging in my hooch
for two years in Vietnam, though it wasn't appreciated by my superior officers
(most of them, anyway). It's a scene of total destruction in a bombed-out city-
the only thing left above ground level is a telephone pole with a loudspeaker
on top, and the caption read: "The government is pleased to announce the total
and utter devastation of the enemy. The government is pleased..."
 
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Refrigerator Johnny & Hitpoints Charlie
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:52:28 GMT


You folks out there in Washington, D.C.: Do we have any fans of
"Refrigerator Johnny?"  I have a friend who goes to GWU, and he
mails clippings of the strip to me from time to time.  Great
stuff.


                                 --Steve "I say, damn you, Talking Dog!
                                   You know I can't drink French liqueur
                                   any more!  Not since I lost Sherman to
                                   Robespierre and the Reign of Terror!"
                                   Stelter

                                   sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.strips:123 soc.culture.canada:3221 soc.culture.usa:2812
From: axd7104@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:59:43 GMT
Organization: New York University

In article <1992Apr8.004312.1600@cs.sfu.ca>, jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:
>      Well, there is one strip by a Canadian that I know about:
> _For Better or Worse_, by Lynn Johnson.  But although I don't
> think she refers to the USA, I have never seen any references to
> Canada in that strip.

I've seen one.  The mother gets into a minor car accident and has to go to
court.  When I saw that bailiff going, "Oyez, oyez!" it really threw me off.
I do have to admit, though, that was the first time I realized that it was a
Canadian strip.

BTW, I met Lynn Johnston last summer.  She's a very nice person.
-- 
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New York University             Internet: axd7104@ACFcluster.nyu.edu

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From: osyjm@coe.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Needed: COMPLETE bibliography for C&H
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:56:29 GMT
Organization: Montana State University, College of Engineering, Bozeman MT, 59717

In article <1992Apr8.010938.20667@ncar.ucar.edu> amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.231633.25333@cas.org> lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>>
>>I am in search of anyone who might have figured out a complete list of
>>the Calvin and Hobbes books and how the particular cartoons are 'cross
>>pollinated'?  
>
>This is from memory, so I may miss out one or two:
>
>There are three large size books:
>
>-The Authoriative C&H (the combination of two of the smaller books)
>-The Essential C&H (the combination of two other smaller books)
>I'm not sure which small book is in which big book, but the four smaller
>books are:
>	-Calvin and Hobbes
>	-Weirdos from Another Planet
>	-Yukon Ho


Don't forget:

	-Scientific Progress goes Boink

	and the new one,

	-Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Snow Goons.  Or somesuch.
-- 
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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Missing CALVIN & HOBBES (was Re: Calvin & Hobbes COMPLETE)
Date: 11 Apr 1992 22:19:40 -0700
Organization: Southern California Lynx Enthusiasts
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr11.200430.9168@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> tmw4r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Munroe Walsh) writes:
>In his article, Chris writes:
>>This set of books, then, collects ALL of Calvin and Hobbes for the period
>>11/18/85, the date of the first strip, through 4/10/91.  Watterson took
>>a sabbatical from 5/5/91 to 1/31/92.
>
>While this is true for the most part, there is _one_ strip that has 
>never been included in any collections. ...
>
> [Discussion of missing "Comic Relief"/Hunger C&H deleted]

  In a related vein, does anyone know how many strips are missing between the
black-and-white CALVIN & HOBBES books ("Deranged Mutant Snow Goons",
"Scientific Progress Goes Bonk", etc.) and the colorized, larger collections?
I bring this up mainly because I prefer to collect the black-and-whites (they
come out sooner B-), and I know there is at least one strip that is in the
colorized collections that's missing.

  In THE ESSENTIAL CALVIN & HOBBES (which collects the first two books,
"Calvin & Hobbes" and "Something Under the Bed is Drooling"), the last daily
strip has Calvin filling a glass with ice cubes, placing a tea bag into it,
and commenting "My iced tea is a failure". This strip should also be run in
"Drooling", but it isn't.

  Granted, it's not the funniest joke in the world, but it isn't anywhere
remotely controversial either. Anyone want to venture why this was in
"Essential" but not "Drooling"? And what else is missing in the
black-and-white reprints?

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Bob 'n' Dave (was Re: Bad college strips (was Re: stupid strips)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:38:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.030335.22336@m.cs.uiuc.edu> carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:
>Yeah, Bob 'n Dave has slipped some (isn't that the same everywhere?).
>The old stuff was utterly hilarious - I liked it as much as any "real"
>strip, even Sylvia, Doonesbury or C+H. I'm cracking up writing this,
>thinking of "Planet of the Bobs", the coffee paeans, "Vanilla Christ"

No, "Vanilla Christ*" was in "Hypodermic Noodles", a local [Champaign] strip
that ended last year.

"Bob 'n Dave" is good, though I'd like it better if he could draw. :)

*"Vanilla Christ", probably the best Daily Illiterate strip of the year, 
was about a combination of Jesus and Vanilla Ice.  "Word to your mother Mary",
"Loaf and Loaf and Loaf, no bakin', givin' out fish without even lakin'",
"If there's a sickness YO I'll douse it, check out my wounds while my
apostle doubts it."

It only ran once, as part of "Hypodermic Noodles", but it was great...

-- 
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From: an12370@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: How on earth did it happen...
Date: 10 Apr 1992 20:14:59 GMT

taube@oregon.uoregon.edu (Christian Taube) writes:
> 
> ...that there has been a rec.arts.comics group around forever
> in which only random postings about strips appeared...
> ...and now that we have a r.a.c.strips I get 170 articles in
> a little less than 20 hours?

When the proposal to create this group was being discussed in
rec.arts.comics, there were many who thought r.a.c.strips would have
insufficient traffic to be worthy of its own group.  After all, as you
say, there was relatively little talk about strips in r.a.c.

So the group is created, and, thanks to many folks who probably
wouldn't go near rec.arts.comics, it cranks out in one week more
traffic than the "parent" group.  I didn't anticipate this, and I
don't remember anyone, pro or con, mentioning the likelihood of this
during the debate.  We assumed only r.a.c readers would like
r.a.c.strips.

It just goes to show... (what it actually does show is left as an
exercise for the reader. :-)
--
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From: "Stephen C. Miller" <stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Serious strips: Rip Kirby, Spidey, Rex Morgan, MD
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:01:32 -0500

I never read these strips as a kid.  I never read these strips as an
adult.  In the past year I've started reading them.  Man, are they ever
WONDERFUL!

Rip Kirby, for instance.  Not a widespread strip, I think, and like many
of the "seriuos" strips (all the ones in the paper here in Bloomington,
at least) it is permanently stuck in some wierdly transformed version of
the 50s.  Rip's a wealthy bachelor who solves crimes and has a chaste
relationship with a babe.  Has a manservant.

Spidey is obviuosly the best.

Rex Morgan is more problematic.  The strip has a real action problem, as
in there is none.  But after a certain long period, it is possible to
come to an appreciation of the sheer redundancy and meaninglessness of
the strip.  The current plot, frinstance, concerns an old woman who is
either overmedicating or has a cross-medication conflict, which makes
her sort of demented.  Her cold but apparently somewhat well-intentioned
neice is about to put her in a nursing home.  But her unreliable friend
is about to rip the old lady off for 15000.  Thrills, excitement. It's
taken about 6 months to get this far into the plot.  

Anybody else a fan of the serious serials?


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From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Robotman (was Calvin and Hobbes)
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:19:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr8.001937.10828
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1973@transfer.stratus.com> hship@sw.stratus.com (Howard Ship) writes:
>Personally, I thin C&S is wonderful, but don't discount Robot Man and
>Zippy.  

Glad to see Robotman mentioned.  I think Robotman is my
favorite, with Calvin and Hobbes a close second. Does anyone
else read RM?  Do many papers carry it?  It was temporarily
removed from the Boston Globe in favor of In Sequitur, but was
brought back after complaints, so someone must like it.



David Fry                               fry@math.harvard.EDU
Department of Mathematics               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
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From: markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
Subject: Mafalda
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 16:56:16 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

Has Mafalda ever been published in English?  I've read it in Spanish, but
I feel evangelistic about it-- I want to buy it for my non-Spanish-reading
friends.
From: mbowman@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Michael Bowman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Nemo & Krazy Kat
Keywords: nemo slumberland krazy kat
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:28:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have picked up the _Little Nemo in Slumberland_ and _Krazy Kat_ reprint
volumes and loved them.  I am anxiously waiting for the next volumes of each.
Can anyone recommend any other old comic strip compilation volumes that I 
should be looking out for?  I'm not too familiar with early strips.

Michael Bowman
mbowman@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: Re: The Best Far Side cartoon
Keywords: far side gary larson
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 18:54:15 GMT

In article <7467@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>What is your FAVOURITE Far Side cartoon?
>
>
>	CAT FUD.
>
>	Oh please, oh please.

	Nature's way of saying "hands off"
	"By golly, he *does* have a license for that"
	"what is this, come kind of cruel hoax?" (sharks)

--Ken
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From: jverdega@cae.wisc.edu (Jeffrey Verdegan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Tumbleweeds?
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:13:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr9.211319.10305
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

After a couple of responses to my post asking about Tumbleweeds, I think I'm
beginning to remember what it is (and isn't) about.  Did one of the Indians
talk like, "Eye iz gunna kill yoo"? (As opposed to, "I'm gonna kill you.")

If so, then I truly miss this strip...



----------

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(608) 263-1875
From: ucda@toontown.uucp (Chris Andersen (The Dangerous Guy))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: The Best Far Side cartoon
Keywords: far side gary larson
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:11:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: toontown.1992Apr9.181103.14741
Organization: The Department For Doing Departmental Things

Tim Pierce writes:
>If anyone understands the "Some of the Non-Vital Organs" strip, please
>let me know.  Freshman year, everyone on my hall spent weeks pondering
>that one.

For shear obscurity though there is nothing that beats "Cow Tools".
-- 
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"...the only thing worse than being hurt is being bored." -- Daniel Mocsny
From: krazykid@csa.bu.edu (Ernest Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin and Hobbes Question
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:08:01 GMT
	<1992Apr07.192956.14717@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>
	<1992Apr7.201434.8374@nic.unh.edu> <1992Apr7.201642.8497@nic.unh.edu>
	<1992Apr8.171237.4360@techbook.com> <me.703259890@dude>
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: me@dude.pcs.com's message of 14 Apr 92 13:58:10 GMT

In article <me.703259890@dude> me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel) writes:

   In <1992Apr8.171237.4360@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:

   >potential.  Another great thing about _him_ is that he has vowed never
   >to exploit C&H: no Calvin mugs, no Hobbs t-shirts.

   Not true. I have this Calvin and Hobbes T-shirt at home and are very proud
   of it. I haen't seen anything else with C&H on it, fortunately.

I've seen many Calvin and Hobbes T-shirts, but they have always been 
bootleg t-shirts where some artist copies Calvin and Hobbes for a
party or an event of some sort.  Is it one of these??  Cause I 
remember reading a forward to comic collection where he made fun of
the comics who sold merchandising, and I would find it extremely
hypocritical of him if he started to authorize the selling of Calvin
and Hobbes merchandise.

Ernie
krazykid@csa.bu.edu
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From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: The Best Far Side cartoon
Keywords: far side gary larson
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:43:23 GMT


The one where the guy who paints the "Happy Trees" is on tv and there's
a woman watching and painting and a tree crashed through the house and
fell on top of her (well, it's a visual thing and you have to be familiar
with the painting show).

Any cow strip.  For example: First Frame:  Cows are standing around chatting.  
One cow is on lookout and calls "Car!"  Second frame:  car passes by, cows 
are grazing.  Third frame:  cows are standing around chatting again with
one on lookout.

"Beware of Doug."
-- 
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From: eshen@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Eric Shen)
Subject: Re: Peanuts baseball team
Keywords: peanuts, baseball
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:39:42 GMT

steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:

>Who were all the members of Charlie Brown's baseball team?  I know
>they consistently have had

>SP Charlie Brown (apx 0-600 lifetime)
>RP Linus         (at least 5-0 lifetime)
>C  Schroeder
>SS Snoopy  (One short of Babe Ruth's HR record)
>RF Lucy

>Can anyone construct a complete lineup and roster?

Linus definitely plays 2nd base.  Remember all the times when
Snoopy would catch the ball in his mouth and spit it to Linus
who threw onto first for the double play?

In the last 70's, Snoopy had a stint in the outfield.  He robbed
somebody of a homerun by catching the ball in his mouth and was
awarded the Golden Mouth Award.

Rerun is merely a spectator.  However, he was caught betting
on games (ala Pete Rose).

The girls, Frieda and Violet, play in the outfield.  They spent
many a day chatting out a storm out there.

For 1st and 3rd base, i think they're uncovered.  That's why
Charlie Brown loses all the time. :)

Eric Shen
(eshen@pcocd2.intel.com)

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From: bored@camelot.bradley.edu (Jason Romano)
Subject: Fox Trot
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:59:42 GMT

Does anyone out there read Fox Trot?

I personally think it is the second best comic strip out there
(after Calvin and Hobbes of course)....
--
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From: bass@cs.utk.edu (Vance Bass)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Eyebeam and Dilbert
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:08:14 GMT
Organization: IBM Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

In article <1992Apr13.195927.23073@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>Hey UT Austin:
>Does Eyebeam still appear in the Statesman and The Daily Texan?  

There is a semi-monthly compilation of the "Peaches, Queen of the Universe"
strips from "New Stream Publications" in Austin.  It's $10/year.

Agreed that "Peaches" has little of the maniacal inventiveness that "'beam"
had -- nevertheless he has started to find his footing in the new territory
and I have found them to be better and better (i.e. more and more like
Eyebeam) as time goes by.

The Eyebeam compilation books are still available from Texas Monthly Press
as far as I know, by the way.  Don't know about the earlier ones from the other
press, however.
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