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From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: ... "Autocrat" ...
Date: 5 Oct 1992 17:57:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <BvnsvM.EvD@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
"In article <1apqgmINNrtp@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
""
""They had -- just -- but we had this feeling that it wasn't appropriate
""to ask the King and Queen to call the Parks Department and reserve the site,
""make sure the restrooms had toilet paper [this was before we were big
""enough to need large unimproved sites necessitating the rental of
""porta-privies], or stake out the Eric.  
"
"
"Stake out the Eric? That's a new one on me. Please explain, M'Lady. IMWTK!

Okay.  During this same early period, we found that we were getting
enough of both fighters and spectators that we needed some kind of
physical object to mark off the fighting area from the rest of the
field.  Ellen Cross Quills (now in Paradise) and her daughter Marynel
of Darkhaven went to a cheapie fabric store and bought the cheapest
thing they had, yards and yards of red cotton.  They tore it into
eight-inch strips, sewed it together and hemmed it, and sewed it into
little crosswise tubes every couple of feet.  Beverly Hodghead took
some stiff wire and cut it into foot-long lengths with hooks at the
top, to hold the fabric in an edge-up position; and they staked it
out to delineate the lists area.

Because it was red in color (for the first few years), they called it
"Eric the Red."  Later additions, in different colors of fabric, were
called "The White Russian" or "The Great White Hope" and "The Yellow
Peril."  But after a few seasons in the sun it all bleached out to a
dirty white anyhow, and we called it all generically "The Eric."

Both the lists field and the markers that set it off are still called
"the Eric" in the West.  The field is now about five by fifteen large
pavilions in size (we run five, or is it six now? combats simultaneously
on it, in the early stages of the Crown Lists), set off by three-foot-
high stakes with little green-and-yellow dags hanging from the cords
that run between them.  They were made by Mistress Jania of Call Duck
Manor and her lord Derek of Dragonsclaw, and they are getting to be
inadequate to mark all the Eric off.  (Maybe this winter a group can
get together to make some more.  No, sorry, I am not volunteering.)


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: ... "Autocr Dancing from Pictures; Waivers
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:35:44 GMT

In article <1apqgmINNrtp@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>
>They had -- just -- but we had this feeling that it wasn't appropriate
>to ask the King and Queen to call the Parks Department and reserve the site,
>make sure the restrooms had toilet paper [this was before we were big
>enough to need large unimproved sites necessitating the rental of
>porta-privies], or stake out the Eric.  


Stake out the Eric? That's a new one on me. Please explain, M'Lady. IMWTK!

In service,

Corun


-- 
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    Corun MacAnndra    |
  Dark Horde by birth  |      Forewarned is a Hindu god.
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Linen and wool
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:34:26 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <mary.717964891@ossi.com> mary@ossi.com (Mary Seabrook) writes:
>whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>
>>Depending on skill, you can spin a quite fine linen thread.  Indeed,
>>it's *far* easier that cotton to spin.  The fiber is both stronger and
>>longer.
>
>>	--Hal
>
>I dont have all of my references here, but that is something of an
>understatement, I was amazed at some of the lace exhibit at the Victoria and
>Albert (london) and it is impossible to make by machine the threads which were
>had spun in period, mostly from flax.

	The very finest lace threads ever made were actually tied, not spun,
they were too fine to hold together just from spinning. One of the ways lace
experts date old pieces is to unpick about 2 feet of thread, if there is a knot
in it, it was made before a certain date (the year escapes me at the moment).
	-Ilaine


-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Ilaine's E-Z Garb Workshop
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Before you can spin the wool, you need to comb it.
                   | 	Use the combs with the 5 rows of 6" razor sharp spikes.
ilaine@panix.com   |    Don't drink and comb - trust me on this.
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Infant Wear
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 08:07:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>>>So, what does the week-dressed 3-week-old wear to her first event?

>>Swaddling bands, what else? It's period, and it's supposed to keep
>>them quiet :^)

>So -- how do you _change_ babies in swaddling bands... ?

Weekly? :)

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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:53:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct2.190722.17108@news.arc.nasa.gov> keradwc@news.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Connery) writes:
>Carolus Malvoix
>In article <92Oct02.140843.17777@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca 
>Carolus Malvoix (humorous iconoclast) wrote:
>>
>>     Yep, looking good on the field is the second most important
>>     responsibility of a fighter;-) Fighting well being the
>>     first.
>
>Hmm. I'd count it as:
>  1)  Courteous
>  2)  Not unsafe
>  3)  Period appearance
>  4)  Fighting well.

>Keradwc

Well courtesy is the responsibilty of any SCA member, fighter or
not.

Safety is simply part of fighting well.

Fighting well is more important than appearance, IMHO,
but then I've been told many times that I take my stick
to seriously. Certainly if someone told me that I could not
fight until I had "pretty" armour, they'd get a piece
of mind. IMHO they'd need the help;-)

Carolus Malvoix
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
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From: KM4V@MARISTB.BITNET (Tony Bayer)
Subject: Cardweaving
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:27:43 GMT

Pardon my ignorance,

    What is cardweaving?

  With all thanks,

     Tony B.
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA description
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:50:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: The Rialto

Greetings, all, from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.  The old line about how
various parts of Uncle Sugar describe us (which I am fair to middling
certain is bushwah: far _far_ *far* too many of our people have
security clearances; these agencies are not dumb) has come up again.
Dorothea mentions that Vuong Manh could probably find out, then adds,

>but he's not very active these days and nobody on the Rialto seems to
>know how to reach him.  *Sigh*

I don't know him at all well, but I've seen him at least three times
at events since last spring; he's findable, if you try.  I'd be
surprised if none of our Atlantian Rialtans could reach him if they
really wanted to; but I'd also be real surprised if it were worth
his time to check all these urban rumors out.

They're funny lines, but I seriously doubt that anyone in DC believes
them.

Cheers,

-- Angharad/Terry
From: leighann@fugazi.sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Green Grow the Rushes
Keywords: song, references
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:03:18 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc., Emeryville, CA

In article <38279@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, smelvin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (The Black Bard  ) writes:
|> (Looks like there's a pagan and a christian version...;))

Thirteen rounds of the silvery wheel,
Twelve for the [zodiac signs, I can't remember the exact verse]
Ten for the Celtic reading,
Nine for the nine-foot circle,
Eight for the eight great Sabbats,
Seven for the gates between the worlds
Six for the Book of Changes
Five for the fiery points of iron
Four for the Guardian Towers,
Three, the Triple Goddess,
Two, two, the two-faced God in gold and red and green oh,
One is one and all alone and ever more shall be so.

This one, like the other one, is a filk, and if anything, MORE eclectic
than the one posted by the Black Bard.  So what.  For the curious:
10= cards in the "Celtic Cross" Tarot spread
7= the chakras
6= number of lines in the I Ching
5= do you really have to ask? ;-)


Slainte!
	- Siobhan


----------------
Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
Siobhan ni hEodhusa, ORL, OGB, etc.
Argent, a pale vert, surmounted in base by a lion dormant or, on a chief
wavy vert an Irish harp or.
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From: scottrell@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: re: rec.fencing]
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:42:37 GMT

put me down as intersted in a rec.fencing file, as well.  send me info to my
e-mail acct. if you have any.
From: PORTERG@ruby.vcu.EDU (Greg Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: horse furniture
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:21:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: Gems.01GPCQCWDW3491WD6B
Organization: The Internet


	Greetings to the Rialto:

	Apologies for sending this to the Rialto, but I am unable to reach
the intended party by any other electronic route.

	To Robbyan Torr d'Elandris, greetings.  Many thanks for the reference
regarding my query on construction of horse furniture/equipment.  I've had
some luck finding info on Japaneses style tack circa 900-1200 CE, but little
on either the Freisian/German or Arab/Berber/Turk for the same period.  

	Fare well,

	Morgan Wolfsinger (Catherine DeMott) by my lord's net access
From: tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Costume Bibliography Request
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:50:41 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

>P.S.  The Baroness Takaiya gave me an excellent annotated bibliography which was
>the first of a costumer's newsletter (it didn't have a Name at the time) 
>written in July 1983.  It was put together by the Ladies Caterina da Monticello
>(from Monticello, IN) and Audelinde de Rheims (Linda Reames Fox, Bloomington,
>IN).  If anyone has any information on either of these two Ladies or their
>newsletter, I would appreciate the learning.  Thank you.
>
Mistress Audelinde lives in Bloomington Indiana, I do not know if she is
active or not. The name of the newsletter is "Seams Like Old Times"
it was published quarterly, and might still be in print. Mistress
Audelinde and Mistress Caterina published it jointly. They both have
their laurels for excellence in Costume Research: they know what they're
talking about.
	Mistress Audelinde, especially, has done a great deal of
research into what sort of costume books are available, including info
on weaving and tablet weaving. A couple of years back she published a
pamphlet called "Puffs and Slashes" which was essentially an annoted
bibliography of hundreds of readily available costume and weaving
references. Each review gives Mistress Audelinde's (very knowledgable)
opinion as to the quality of the book for SCA purposes. 
	It is easily the best costume bibliography available to the SCA.
If Mistress Audelinde still reads this newsgroup I hope that she will
post giving more information. It is not my place to do so.

Good Luck, 

Lothar \|/
        0

> 
In Service,
>
>Jillian
>
>Jillian Stevynsdaughter			Jill Larsen (larsen@ecn.purdue.edu)
>Barony Rivenstar			Purdue University
>Middle Kingdom				W. Lafayette, IN
>
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: Linen and wool
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:27:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct1.163601.29976@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:

>Handspinning linen isn't a whole lot of fun.  You need to wet it as
>you spin it (traditionally done with tongue and thumb and the stuff
>tastes pretty bad;  modern usage is a bowl of water).  This smooths a
>fibers that tend to stick out.

	I beg to differ, it's tons of fun, and it tastes just fine. Besides 
being more period, saliva makes a better thread because the enzymes soften the
gummy matter of the fibers and serves to glue them together. If licking the 
thread dosn't appeal to you, you can also lick your thumb and smooth the 
thread with it.
	-Ilaine


-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Ilaine's E-Z Garb Workshop
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Before you can spin the wool, you need to comb it.
                   | 	Use the combs with the 5 rows of 6" razor sharp spikes.
ilaine@panix.com   |    Don't drink and comb - trust me on this.
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta)
Subject: Drachenwald Mailing List -- Topic Summary
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:29:34 GMT

	For those of you who have thought of joinging the Drachenwlad
Mailing List or gentles interested in just one or two back issues I
have compiled this subject list of recent issues.

Issue 27:
	Coronet Tourney
	Rum, Sodomy and the Lash
Issue 28:
	Group names in historic perspective
	Administrivia
	Review of "The New SCA Fighters Handbook"
Issue 29:
	Greetings from the Society Chroniclers Ombudsman
	Greetings from the Society Marshal
Issue 30:
	Formative Ideas
	Lough Devnaree September Event
Issue 31:
	Re: Officering by the numbers
	Spring Coronet
Issue 32:
	Spring Coronet, insurance
	An idea for the principality university? 
	Pennsic thoughts?
	Kingdom Timing
	Re: Kingdom Timing
	Event Announcement
	The return of the Jedi!
	Rattan in Ireland! Polearms! Thrusting tips!
Issue 33
	The Nordmark Civil War III
	APO vs. European Addresses
	Of Euripides and the "Bacchae" Revisited
Issue 34
	natives five years ago
	insurance
	Re: Insurance
	Oedipus at Colonus a new world edition live from Hanau
Issue 35
	Suggestion for new award
	APO, Rattan, & Kingdom
Issue 36
	Awards for cooks.
	Armour standards
	Reply to your last DML message
	All kinds of stuff
	Copyright
	award suggestion

The DML is a passively moderated mailing list.  All messages sent to the
submission address will be distributed.  The weekly digest is currently
distributed some time over the weekend. Back issues are available on
anonymous FTP to walton.maths.tcd.ie in the jaymin/sca directory.
Hardcopy is available and will be distributed on a monthly basis. Send 
money to Jo Jaquinta, 44 Bancroft Avenue, Tallaght, Dublin 24, Ireland. 
The money (any currency, we consider duct tape and rattan as currency 
and exchange them at IRL2 and IRL5 per roll/stick) will be converted to 
Irish (virtually no charge) and postings will be send as long as your 
"account" is positive.

The Drachenwald Mailing list is a publication of Jo Jaquinta and is
not an official publication of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.,
and does not necessarily deliniate SCA policy.
Submissions: jaymin@salmon.maths.tcd.ie or jaymin@maths.tcd.ie
	Please put DML in the title.
All opinions and material is the responsibility of the originator.

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From: ken@halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini)
Subject: Re: Membership Privileges
Summary: Another random thought
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:43:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.183717.17266@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
>1) Require autocrats to be members.
[...]
>Note that the first
>approach, which we use now, imposes costs on individuals who are already
>contributing time, money, and effort
[...]

I've come into the middle of this thread, so maybe I've missed
discussion on the subject (go ahead, flame me), but how about
this variation:
  Autocrats are required to be members, but their membership
  fee is waived in consideration of the time, money, and effort
  that they expend on behalf of the corporation.


		--Ken Pizzini
		(a mundane reading the Rialto to see if the SCA suits his fancies)
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From: tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes)
Subject: Re: Bilingual inn jokes... (Was: Re: Latin (was silly welsh request))
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:56:13 GMT

>
I am reminded of the old bilingual pun "One mans fish is another man's
Poisson". Another one is Five cats went out in a boat. The boat capsized
and "Un, Duex, Trois, Quatre, Cinq" (say it, don't read it silently to
get the pun).

A whole bunch of no-fake-they're-really-period jokes and anecdotes can
be found in the Third book of Baltasare Castiglione's *The Courtier*. 
This is my favorite. 

Once a bold lady asked a soldier who had just returned from the wars to
dance at court (women asked men to dance in 16th c. Italy, and dancing
was an important part of court life). Gruffly, the soldier refused to
dance. Trying to be courteous, the lady then proposed that they might
instead sing, or play chess, or do a number of other honest
entertainments. To each suggestion, the soldier gruffly refused, saying
"I don't do that". Finally, the lady, making one last attempt to be
sociable asked, "My good lord, if you do not dance, or sing or play
chess or do any other thing, what DO you do?" To this the soldier
replied "I fight!"  To this the lady replied, "Ah! since you do not
dance or sing and are incapable of any courtly art, I suggest, that
since there is no war at present, that you oil yourself and hang
yourself, like your armor in a closet until your lord has need of you
again!"
	Stick-jocks are period :) :)! 

There are literally pages of anecdotes, some of which were probably
pretty old by the time that Castiglione got hold of them. The clergy and
citizens of other Italian city states tend to the butt of most of the
jokes, but they are easily adaptable to any other nation/profession. 

4 stars, Lothar-Bob sez check it out 
 
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From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney)
Subject: Fylfots and such
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:11:53 GMT

Really, in response to somebody's comment that many modern kids,
not having grown up during/just after World War Twice, don't get
the horrors at the mere sight of a swastika the way most of us (who
have read history even if we weren't there at the time) tend to do. 
Well, yes, there is the different-associations thing to consider. 
I remember being croggled while walking down a street in Southeast
Asia to find myself passing the offices of the Red Swastika
Society.  I sent a picture of their sign to a Wobbly friend who had
in jest cooked up an organization called the Red Fascists for
Christ, but the Red Swastika turned out to be a for-real and quite
serious group -- a Buddhist missionary organization.

And then there are the creeps who DO have the same associations for
the swastika that most of us have, but are turned on by them. 
There was at one time a household/shield wall whose location and
head I would rather not identify, which called themselves the
Killer Elite and used sable upon crossed thighbones a human skull
all argent...which happened to be the historically authentic
insignia of the Totenkopf Division, the Waffen-SS unit recruited
from extermination camp guards.  It wasn't just an accidental
similarity, either; the skull was in a three-quarters-affronte
position, not used in SCA heraldry but exactly the pose the SS
troopers had given their badge.  (Jaella of Armida [Jewish],
Ysabeau Cameron [Christian], and I [Humanist at that time] went to
their King and Queen and protested this, but without effect.)
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From: mary@ossi.com (Mary Seabrook)
Subject: Re: Linen and wool
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:47:17 GMT

mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis) writes:
>It is because flax is harder for machines to handle (especially during the
>early industrial revolution) that cotton became the predominant fibre
>for light cloth. Prior to automation cotton could not compete very well,
>because most rural housholds would have a small flax patch and plenty
>of time to supplement their income by spinning.
>-- Richard of Dunheved, Lochac.

Hey ho, That all sounds very reasonable, apart from the phrase "plenty of
time" - I wonder why that brings to mind my standard reply of "in my copious
free time", those small housholds probably made time in a busy schedule rather
than having time free in which to make additional money for luxuries... (mst
of my information comes from conditions under which the lacemakers worked
rather than directly from those you were talking about, but I cant see that
there would have been so large a disparity)

Elizabeth

--
mary@ossi.com
+1 510 652 6200 x 124
From: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Splits 'n' Suedes LONG (was Expensive Armour)
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:33:30 GMT
Reply-To: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

The reference for talmudic parchmenting techniques is:

'Technological Heritage in the Preparation of Skins for Biblical
Texts in Medieval Oriental Jewry'  by Menahem Haran

This paper appears in _Pergament:_Geschichte-Struktur-Restaurierung-
Herstellung_.  Herausgegeben von Peter Ruck.  Jan Thorbecke Verlag
Sigmaringen, 1991.  ISBN 3-7995-4202-7

pp.35-43

Cheers,
Balderik
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: membership
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:11:47 GMT


Alan Fairfax Aluricson, Fenris Herald writes:
>In article <Iem=t9u00WB7RJl4NT@andrew.cmu.edu> Nils Hammer <nh0g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>  Requiring membership to fight sounds like a lot more work
>>for the list officers. 
>
>[There was an intermediate post suggesting presenting membership card
>at the time of Lists registration.  --whh]
>
>	The way around this is for the Earl Marshal to check for membership
>before giving authorization cards.  

I would suggest a slightly simpler way of handling it.  Have a
suitable Marshall add a fighter endorsement to the membership card.

If the Marshall checks the membership card or list at thime of
authorization, that only checks for membership *at*that*time*.

As I understand the issue, there is a desire that better control and
access of waivers for fighters be established and (the issue that
seems more prevalent in this venue) that fighters pay their share of
the insurance and administrative costs.  In that case, what will be
sought is *continuing* membership on the part of fighters--and that
will actually entail ongoing membeship checks.  Rather than adding a
requirement to show two pieces of paper at events, just add a suitable
marking to the membership card and drop the separate authorization
card.  (And, yes, I realize that this creates a new problem for those
kingdoms that separately authorize each weapons form.  Perhaps *that*
practice could be profitably be abandoned, as it is not found
necessary elsewhere.)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: re:armouring marshalls
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:29:04 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

WPCJ

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