From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: The Deserving Heisman?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:12:26 GMT

noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:

>Todd Henderson writes:

>> [Tom Lavelle writes:]
>> >I am definitely not a hard core Notre Dame fan, but...  If i remember
>> >correctly that towel was specially made for him by a friend for the game.
>> >I believe that one of those non-scholarship yahoos was taking a real
>>
>>I was merely noting how much fun it was to watch a bunch of non-scholarship
>>players do what many better football teams had not been able to do.
>>Relatively contain Tim Brown.

>Point well taken.

>>The towel thing I'm not sure I think taking it was right or not.  However,
>>I can see how a 18-22 year old non-sch. player who thought he would
>>never be playing college ball would certainly want a trophy from the Heisman
>>Trophy winner.  Kind of a chance in a life time thing, whether it was mannerly
>>or not.
                                                                        ^^^^^^^
Couldn't think of a better word(please refer to the grammar insult at the
bottom).  "Wrong or not" probably would have been better and more accurate.

>Mannerly or not?  Your not sure if stealing a personal article is right/wrong?

                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^  good point.  However,
the towel was never kept.  I don't remember if I made this analogy in the
original post, I know I though about it.  I thought it was to strong and
in another ballpark since it involved stealing, but obviously not.

analogy:

Looting, I don't agree with it, but I can see how some people would do it in
natural disaster type things, i.e. earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.  "Seems like
a once in a life time to get a 27" tv, and who would it hurt."(their thoughts)

The keeping of the towel was not what I was refering to, it was taunting of
Tim by going for the towel regardless of the final intentions.

>>I don't know how smart it was to wear a artical of clothing(I guess the towel
>>could be called that in this context) that meant something to you in a football
>>game.  That would be like wearing a lucky jersey that you mom made for you.
>>They are always getting torn up mudding, etc.  I would expect the same for a
>>towel that someone was wearing.

>Your comparing getting a towel muddy with having it stolen from you?
>I hardly think Tim Brown expected to get away with not having to wash his

Don't you think it could have been ripped, pulled out in a tackle, lost in
the hoopla after the game, just not a good place to take something that's not
attached more firmly that you want to keep.

>towel; but do you think it reasonable for him to expect it to be stolen
>on a football field?

>(Unfair insult alert...)
>What kind of ethics/grammar do they teach at Texas A&M?

I probably have better ethics than most people, I help old ladies across the
street, correct cashiers when they make a mistake either way, etc.:):)  However,
I also know when I don't know enough about an event to make a judgement.  Based
on what you heard, it was wrong to keep the towel, which I don't believe
happened.  But you can hear many different stories, I don't put a lot of faith
in any of them, from A&M players or ND players, they are always skewed.
Do they teach you to make judgments about people and incidents that you have
no direct knowledge of other than rumors?( I feel that even Tim probably skewed
the story into his favored, no not lied just rearranged a bit.)

On the grammar part, A&M tried to help me, I was to far gone.  It also 
probably has to do with the engineer in me(not meant to affend the many
engineers who are very well spoken).  However, I thought this was a forum for
relaxed, open conversation.  I think critiquing(sp?) on the net in a rec.xxx
group is a little lame.  I use resources when I publish papers like
dictionaries, theaur....(that 'th' word for 'mean the same thing words'  :):) )
and English books.  I can't see doing that for this kind of forum, maybe I'm
wrong.  I also married an English teacher to take care of that part.  I'll
start having her proof my post.:):)


>-Mike Noonan
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