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From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Contacting the Commish
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:37:48 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
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Rather than send a form letter through a newspaper, I would prefer to
write the Commisioner directly.  Does anyone have a business address
where I can do so?  Thanks.
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From: jerry@bunker.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald J. Lanza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Base-ball Dream Team
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:59:36 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company (Shelton, CT)

In article <1992Aug11.214446.18268@novell.com> larrow@novell.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>>I'd take Barry Bonds before I'd take *any* of these three guys, easy.  
>
>I'm with Sherri. In fact I'll raise the ante to I'd take Bonds before
>any non-pitcher in baseball. I think he is far and away the best player
>in baseball. He's going to be a rich man.
>

	Let me play the devil's advocate with this one. 
	The standards by which a non-pitchers have been traditionally
	measured are five, if I remember correctly, namely:
	Hits, hits with power, runs, throws, fields.

	Let's forget Frank Thomas for a moment if we can, and consider
	Willy Mays against this standard. By most followers of the game
	he rated A1 in all five categories. If we accept this as a true
	test, then I find Bonds slightly lacking in the throwing category.
	The left field position only ranks ahead of first base in importance
	to a team's defense. The centerfielder must cover the most ground,
	and the right fielder must make the long throw to third to keep
	runners on second on base hits to right field. I have to believe
	that if Bond's had an above average right arm, he would be in
	right field. This discussion was played over and over again when
	Williams in left was compared to DiMaggio in center. The consensus
	was that DiMaggio was the superior player, of course not the better
	offensive player.

	Does this mean that Bonds is not the best player in the majors ?
	I'm not sure, but I do think the defensive contributions should
	be considered in equal measure with the offense. Stating that, I
	would consider Barry Larkin, Cal Ripkin, and Kirby Puckett to be
	at least at the level of Bonds because of their defensive ability.

	Other opinions are welcome; I'm sure many on this net would consider
	Frank Thomas to be the best in the majors, just as Williams had his
	supporters in the 40's and 50's, or just as Mantle was considered
	in the same breath with Mays. I lived and died for the Mick, but I
	never, ever, considered him to be as good as Mays.


						jerry
From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthdays
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:24:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug18.182411.5178
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays

August 18
Roberto Clemente, 1934 (HOF)
Burleigh Grimes, 1893
Buck Weaver, 1890
The Immortal Joe Azcue, 1939
Bruce Benedict, 1955
Max Lanier, 1915
Billy Consolo, 1934
Bob Kennedy, 1920
Wally Gerber, 1891
Jack Howell, 1961
Mike LaValliere, 1960

--Steve
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Angels 3, Red Sox 2
Keywords: baseball, men's professional, broadcast
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 04:39:05 GMT

In article <Bbba-bosoxU2aJ1130pe@clarinet.com> clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes:
>
>	BOSTON (UPI) -- Gary DiSarcina doubled home two runs with two out in
>the ninth inning Wednesday night to give Jim Abbott his first win in
>nearly two months and the California Angels a 3-2 victory over the
>Boston Red Sox.
[...]
>	Jeff Reardon, 2-2, started the ninth for Boston with the Red Sox
>clinging to a 2-1 lead. After Junior Felix struck out, Ken Oberkfell
>singled and was replaced by pinch-runner Von Hayes. Reardon struck out
>Chad Curtis for the second out, but Lee Stevens doubled Hayes to third.
>DiSarcina worked the count to 3-2 before delivering the game-winning
>single to center.
>	It marked the eighth blown save in 33 opportunities this season for
>Reardon.

I guess Reardon has taken the art of "relieving" to new heights.  Giving up
doubles to Stevens *and* DiSarcina?  Gee...  (Of course, as an Angel fan, I'm
not complaining...)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Clemens wins his fourteenth!
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:38:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Aug20.023812.6564
Distribution: na
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <1992Aug19.210134.12168@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> josh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (joshua.h.rosenbluth) writes:
>In article <92230.233811IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>>tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>
>>     I'm curious about how people feel on this. Suppose Clemens
>>     finishes with a 20-9 record and 2.25 ERA, and Eckersley
>>     finishes with a 6-1 record, 54 saves, and a 2.00 ERA on a
>>     division-winning team. (These are both conceivable outcomes,
>>     I would say.) Who would you vote for Cy Young?
>>
>>For relief pitchers, especially closers, earned run average means
>>little, if anything. An Eckersley with an ERA of 2.00 cannot be
>>said to be better than a Clemens with an ERA of 2.25. Why? Because
>>Eckersley would not have pitched at least half as many innings as
>>Clemens. Besides, a closer's effectiveness is gauged by how many
>>base runners inherited do not score. For that, I'd give my vote to
>>Clemens.
>
>I think a case can be made for Eckersley.  Through August 9 (source,
>Baseball Weekly):
    <countless stats deleted>
    Although Clemens is having another great season, at this point, I
    don't think he or anyone else can compare with Eck for the Cy Young
    or possibly even the MVP award. He is just having an incredible
    season!!! I confess that I don't know his exact ERA, but the A's
    haven't lost a single game that he has pitched in. Yes, I know they've
    been leading or at the worst tied in every game he's been in, but that
    is still a mind-boggling stat. You take any other closer in the league
    and put him in the same situation i.e., an awful lot of work, a lot of
    pressure in a lot of tight games with teams seeing you an average of
    about 4 times so far and that closer will probably see his team lose
    between 5 and 10 of those games.

    Oakland has proved this year that they can do it without Canseco and
    without the Hendersons (and several other players who have spent time
    on the DL), but they couldn't have done it without Eck. They say the 
    A's have been doing it with mirrors this year and if that's the case,
    you can bet the reflection coming from these mirrors is one of the Eck.
    (sorry, budding sportwriter's weak attempt at a clever phrase thrown in
    at the end, but I just had to ;)

    --salty

>Josh Rosenbluth (attmail!jrosenbluth)
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From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: First hitter reaching base
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.130800.12870@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> efk@po.CWRU.Edu (Edward F. Kerekes) writes:
>
>I am involved in an arguement over a statistic I heard but cannot find a
>source or reasonable support but I was told that this would be the place to
>post my question.
>
>If the first batter reaches base what is the percentage that he scores?
>I heard from someone that 70% of the first batters that reach base score.
>This seems a little high but I can't find a source to check this statistic.
>THe line scores are no help because it does not give you sufficient information
>on innings where a team does not score.  After watching several games and
>keeping track of the first batter reaching base I determined they score more
>than I thought but I still don't think it's 70%.

Just out of curiosity, how do you treat a force-out in your
calculations?  Sure, the second guy is the one who (can/does) score, but
the first guy's hit is why he'll do it.           

Now, 70% sounds right if you rephrase the question: what are the odds
that *at least one run* will score.   The odds of a runner on first, no
out, leading to 1+ runs in the inning is a shade under .3; a homer is
obviously 100%.  Doubles and triples are in-between.  Weight it for the
likelihood of each event, and I bet it's not so far from 0.7.

Roger
From: daa345@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: ORIOLES vs BLUE JAYS --> game 4 results?
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:20:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab


Does anyone know the score of today's (Thursday, 8/13/92) game between
the Orioles and Toronto?  It was a day game, so it should be over with.


                           thanks in advance...
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Managing in the AL
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:23:05 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853


In article <1992Aug21.163756.14867@cis.ohio-state.edu> miked@cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey) writes:
>My friend
>commented that managing doesn`t really matter that much in the AL due
>to the DH (obviously).

AL managers have one *big* decision to make that NL managers don't.
When do you pull your star pitcher and go to the bullpen in a close
game?  In the NL, almost all pitching switches are dictated by
situation (score, inning, and when the pitcher comes to bat).  In the
AL, the manager has to make the decision based solely on the current
effectiveness of the pitcher.  That's a harder decision, IMHO.  It's
much easier to simply pull the pitcher the first time he comes to bat
after he reaches the 100 pitch limit.

>However, I do think the DH is an abomination and
>AL baseball not as interesting as the NL brand.

I find the NL boring because I don't know the players as well, and for
the most part I don't care who wins the game.  I also don't enjoy
watching games played on astroturf, and most NL games are played on
that green cement stuff.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: who's runs? (WAS Re: OFFICIAL SCORING QUESTION)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:43:45 GMT


In article <92228.041352IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins  
<IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> erics@sco.COM (eric smith) writes:
> 
>      mdc3@sns.bellcore.com (Mike Connelly) writes:
> 
>           OK, here's the situation: Clemens pitching, Red Sox lead
>           1-0 going into the bottom of the 9th at Detroit. Phillips
>           and Whitaker reach base, 1st and 2nd, nobody out. Reardon
>           comes in. Fryman forces Phillips out at 3rd but is safe
>           at 1st. Fielder hits HR, game over, 3-1.
> 
>           1. Who is the losing pitcher? 
>      Clemens. A replacement runner is still charged to the original
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      pitcher.
> 
> Clemens? Clemens cannot be the losing pitcher. Reardon is the losing
> pitcher. Phillips, the tying run, was forced at third, and he was
> the responsibility of Clemens. Whitaker, (also the responsibility
> of Clemens), now at second, becomes the tying run. Fielder's HR gave
> the Tigers a 2-1 win. Because Fielder was the winning run, and Reardon
> allowed him to score, Reardon takes the loss. Clemens's runner tied
> the score, but it was Reardon's who scored the winning run!
> 
> BTW: There is no replacement runner mentioned in the original post.

RULE 10.18(g): When pitchers are changed during an inning, 
the relief pitcher shall not be charged with any ... runs scored 
by any runner who reaches base on a fielder's choice which puts out 
a runner left on base by the preceding picher.

Hence, Clemens is the losing pitcher.
The 'replacement runner' was Fryman in this case, not a pinch runner.
confusing wording, but it could be interpereted in this was.
By the way, what term is used for a 
'runner-who-got-on-by-forcing-another-runner'?

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: bye bye san fran!!! hello tampa bay
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:56:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <16cac6INNfor@hal.com> dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.201747.17702@sybus.com>, jon@sybus (Jon Pessano)
>writes:
>[among other things]
>>say goodbye san fran.  
>>start watching the a's
>
>Nothing like a gracious winner, is there, folks?
>-- 
Really! Jon, you should be ashamed of yourself. A guy whose name ends in
a vowel acting like that. Also you should be wary of the establishment.
Just think how lousy you will feel when ML baseball leaves you standing
at the alter again. As someone else pointed out, I hope you get a team,
I just don't want you to have mine.

luigi
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From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane)
Subject: Re: What happens if????
Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:56:34 GMT

In article <19801@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>What happens if at the end of the season, three teams are tied for
>first spot for the division. Is this  a possiblity and has this
>ever occured before.
>
>S.h

One of the teams (I'll call them Team A) gets a bye.  The other two
teams (Teams B and C) play each other.  The winner of the B/C hosts team
A and that team goes to the playoffs.  So here's what it goes like:

Team C at Team B
Team A at Team B/C  <-- winner of this game goes to the playoffs

I do not beleive that this has happened before, but I could be wrong.
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Base-ball Dream Team
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:34:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.172733.15945@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <BsrqF2.IqD@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond) writes:
>
>>  Does everyone think that a dream team is really a dream?  Of course
>>it's fun to see the stars play on the same side, but didn't people find
>>it even just a teensy bit boring to watch the US basketball team blow 
>>away some opponents you don't know and don't really care about?  On the 
>>other hand, maybe this is less likely to happen in baseball.
>
>I would think that the baseball dream team would be a lot less dull.  For one
>thing, the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico are likely to suddenly become
>contenders as well.  Japan will also strengthen itself greatly with
>professional players.

Not really. The Japanese companies which own the teams are unlikely to allow 
their players to compete. Another factor is that the Japanese finished 3rd; if
the pros were included, they'd have a hard time matching that against other 
pros.

>The gold and silver medalists this year will likely be hurt by the inclusion
>of professionals.  Cuba, which has no "professional" league and whose players
>are all "amateurs," will lose the big edge it had on the other teams, and
>would likely be no more than a medal contender.  Taiwan, which has a weak
>professional program, will also likely to be hurt.

There are some good Taiwanese players in the Japanese leagues. They'd still
be competitive, but not usually medal caliber.

Mike
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RC/27 for 2Bs
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:33:28 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Aug13.051010.4289@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1984@deadmin.ucsd.edu> sefton@cs.ucsd.edu (Paul Piccirillo) writes:
>>team.  However, membership on the team is as amorphous as Puerto Rico's
>>situation.  Basically, it boils down to personal choice!

>This is not that unusual.  Evidently, each national Olympic committee can
>choose whatever rules it wants (presumably within some bounds) to determine
>who can compete for that team. 
...
>It's a very murky area, and one that isn't really well covered in the
>media.

And often, for US athletes, very desireable to be able to compete
for another nation...  in 1976, a friend of mine's cousin (Rees, forget
his first name) was in the top 10 in the world in his event (swimming,
don't remember the distance or stroke), was #7 in the US, #7 in California,
and #7 in Southern California...

He would have made any other Olympic team, though would have had to work
in East Germany, but ended up not even making the finals at the Olympic
trials.

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From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:39:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Save the Giants
Organization: OCD IC MFG
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

Hey, 

If you want to keep the Giants in SF, then put your money down.  Either
buy tickets or find out how to try to become an investor in a group
trying to buy the Giants!

Anyone out there have details on the group that is trying to get fans
to open savings accounts at Redwood Bank?  That's what I'm going to
do as soon as I get details.  I'll post info if no one else does.

I heard a bit about this on KNBR last week, but didn't write down
any names or phone numbers.

I'm not a Giants fan, but am interested in becoming a shareholder
in an NL franchise.  I don't believe all the hog-wash about the owners
losing money, and I'm willing to make an investment to back up that
belief.  I think that the cash flow is poor, but that franchise
values will still increase faster than any negative cash flow.

Howard Lynch
aka Lynch "MOB"

From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:43:42 GMT
Subject: Re: "Discarded" Giants (Re: Jeff Brantley sucks!!!)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

(Mike West)
>Before anyone castigates the Giants for "giving up on" or "discarding"
>these players, remember the circumstances:

>Lefferts - He was a free agent who did not want to stay in SF.  

He wanted to stay with SF.  SF made it clear that they did not think
highly of him by going after Righetti.  I think salary was an issue as
well - this despite the fact that Lefferts had been doing the job for
SF.  This swap of Lefferts for Righetti has been a total disaster.  Last
year Lefferts had better numbers than Rags.  This year he does as well.
In fact, in a year where the Giants needed another starter, Lefferts would
have filled the bill.  I doubt that Lefferts was even offered a starting
role by SF management.

>Mulholland
>D.Cook   - They were traded for Bedrosian.  Long term it was not
>C.Hayes    that great (I didn't like the Giants giving up two promising
>           lefties either), but they desperately needed a closer
>           and Bedrosian was the best they could find.  And the trade
>           worked:  he helped them win the West and make it to the WS.

This is your opinion.  Who can say whether the absence of Bedrosian would
have made any difference.  Two starting lefties and a 3rd baseman is a bit
steep for 1/3 season from a washed up reliever.  Today Bedrock is history.
Where might the Giants be with two proven lefties and a reserve infielder?
Thanks but I'll take the double digit wins this year rather than the 
questionable value of Bedrock during the stretch drive.

>If you are going to accuse the Giants of giving up on players and
>making bad personnel decisions, please pick appropriate examples.
>These are not.

A matter of opinion.  While we are at it lets add the following to our
list:

o Butler for McGee
o Leonard for Riles
o Downs for nothing despite 9 wins last year

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From: jacobson@arcturus.tmc.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1986 World Series: Mets Fan Speaks Out
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:08:36 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

In article <92226.003822JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET (Jeff Pierce) writes:
><all previous comments deliberately left out>
> 
> 
>Let's assume that Buckner made the play and the winning run didn't
>score.  What happens next (I normally hate what if questions, but so
>many Red Sox fans appear to blame that one play for the Mets winning
>the series).  Anyone care to write the next inning?
> 
>                                              Jeff

Pumped up over making a game-saving play, Bill Buckner homers his next
time up to put the Red Sox ahead.  

Then John McNamara decides to replace him in the bottom of the inning
with a defensive replacement (whoever that would be).

In the Met's half of the inning, three errors by the new first
basement lead to two runs, and the Mets win!!!!!!! (Game 7 is now just
a formality).

Blame it on the Bambino you Red Sox fans.

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