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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: flamefest '92
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:36:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

[flame mocking Jeff Young deleted]

James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:

>Jeff Young's use of grammar is so bad that his writings are nearly
>unintelligible. If you were watching a science fiction movie, and the movie
>had a computer in it that spoke like Jeff writes, you would be spending
>most of your time scratching your head and asking the person next to you,
>"What did he say?"

Hey... (though I know we shouldn't be this mean to Jeff) should we
let Jeff converse with Eliza, and try our best to figure out who's who?

This will be fun... :)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin

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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:37:24 GMT
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Oh, PLEASE!  Atari NewDesk GEM (2.0 and 3.0) makes the WorkBench look like
a cheap cartoon...............(well, it is.)


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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: No Figs in the Apple Newton
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:01:04 GMT

jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>First one settled out of court. Second, yes. Actually, the owner of a tiny
>>restaurant has no chance in the courts against a big corporation. If you
>>have enough money to burn, you can crush small merchants like this, even
>>if your suit has no merit.
>
>  Yeah, but sometimes it works the other way too.  A few years ago Donald
>Trump ran into trouble with the name Taj Mahal for his new casino.  Turns
>out that there was a Indian restaurant in Washington DC with the same,
>trademarked, name.  Ol' Don had to pay quite a bit to them since they
>refused to be bought out.

Another instance is/was a Holiday Inn down around Myrtle Beach, SC.
Someone already had a tiny beach hotel called that, so the national
chain has their usual green/yellow-arrow sign, but with "Holiday Lodge"
instead (tho underneath, it says "one of the Holiday Inns of America").

I believe that ATT and someone else is coming up with a line of PDAs
to compete with Apple's Newton... only theirs are called "Hobbits"!
Wonder if they'll have to pay for that name?

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: leeg@microware.com (Lee Glenn)
Subject: Re: Hello out there?
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:11:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.211929.28654@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dudley@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (John Dudley) writes:
>
>Well.. it has been a few days since I've seen anyone from Commodore on
>here. Do you
>suppose that they're busy trying to get things together for September??
> 

Either that or they've been 'let go'.   :^)


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:54:48 GMT

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
: Many people remember Amiga Format magazine news about Amiga dealers
: REFUSING A500+/A600 because many softwear not running.

2.0 isn't that incompatible.  As a matter of fact, it's extremely
compatible.  I enjoy Populus II under a 2.04 Amiga often.

: ??? A600 is not game machine??! A600 is selling to SAME people buying
: C64??? You are right!  C64 is BUSINESS machine!! C= designers CHOP
: OFF A600 numberpad because BUSINESS people complaining! BUSINESS
: people telling C= to not include clock in A600 because time not
: important!

No, the A600 is a home computer, aimed at those who can't afford to
pay over 1000 for a working system.  It's aimed at those who can make
the best use of a system which has the options of a large amount of
available software and a good number of great developers.

: Even for hobby machine A600 is poor value because developers now
: like 68030, DSP, SVGA color, SCSI2, LAN, 16 bit stereo, MIDI,....

Developers can HAVE anything they want.  But aiming a machine at the
low end and aiming a machine at developers are two different things.
You can develop on an Amiga 3000 with 18 megabytes of memory and a
200mb hard drive, you know, and have it work just fine on a A2000 or
an A600.  I should know.  So do lots of developers.  As a matter of
fact, if I remember correctly, one of the best known developers to the
telecommunicating world in Amiga realms, Jack Radigan, uses a 3000 as
his development system...  not that he doesn't have others.

The point is, they're not selling the A600 to developers.  And
EVERYTHING you mentioned is available for the Amiga.

: REAL bus Zorro III and PCMIA have REAL crazy price tag. My prediction..
: A600 will be big flop in America because people NOT REAL stupid.

I'd say you proved your own statement wrong.

Greg

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: MPEG, Photo CD
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:04:04 GMT

Roger Earl writes:
>> The Kodak PCD-270 is MSRP $400.  Its features include auto-sequencing
>
>Hmm, this is a bit off from a claim I got from a Kodak rep in the spring
>about the players being released at $200 Canadian.  

Hi Rog.  Long time no see!  Yeah, the actual street prices will probably
be _far_ lower than the MSRPS.  Which reminds me.  I had written offhand:

>> The Kodak PCD-270 is MSRP $400.  [...]
>> The Kodak PCD-870 I believe will be MSRP ~$575 or so.  [...]
>> The Kodak PCD-5870 will be available later this year.  It has a five-disc
>> carousel and onscreen display of the image number.  Price?  Dunno. ~$800?

Since then, I looked up my notes. Two months ago, Kodak posted these prices:

 PCD-270  MSRP $450
 PCD-870  MSRP $549
 PCD-5870 MSRP $649

>So far, what I've seen from Kodak is that the Photo-CD format is really
>only being pushed towards high-end computer graphics users (their display
>
I hear from users that the highest resolution can take a heckuva long time
to decode... but that the lower ones are pretty fast.

I think we computer users naturally think most about the computer scan use
of Photo CD, and forget about the normal 35mm consumer user.  Kodak says
they plan a big push this fall (October) to "normal" people.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A (sad) story about stocks, Norwegian banks and C=
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:33:37 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <l9t5ehINNo04@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
> In <mykes.0d3i@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> }In article <l9g14sINNt6k@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
> }> In <mykes.0d1f@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> }> }In article <l9ao53INNt1k@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
> }> }> In <mykes.0cz5@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> }> }> >Remember my prediction of $2/share in february!
> }>
> }> }> In February, 1993, I'll give you $500 in exchange for 200 shares of
> }> }> stock in Commodore.
> }>
> }> }Not with you for that lousy deal.
> }>
> }> What requirements would a deal have to have in order for it not to
> }> be lousy in your opinion?
>
> }I'll buy the stock in Februrary at market value, and you buy the stock from
> }me then at today's price.
>
> Well, this is what I suspected.  You really do not have much confidence in
> your prediction of $2/share if February.
>

Not at all.  You are offering me $5 a share for something worth ~$7.

> As far as your offer, I might as well by the stock today and today's price.
> I could then sell before February if I felt like it.  Or maybe I could just
> exercise some options.
>

Exactly what I am going to do: buy $5 PUT options on CBM for february.  For a
couple hundred bucks, I'd control 2000 shares and make $3K.  It has been
wonderful to have CBM PUTS this whole last year <- think about it.  CBM stock
was as high as ~$18 and is at its low.  This Christmas better be good for CBM
after their last quarter.

> --
> Richard
>

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: 80,000,000 pc's can't be wrong
Keywords: Learning curves, etc...
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 03:45:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.200314.8579@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>
>So Mike, when your 80 million machines measure up to the Tandy's Sensation,
>then I'll agree with you. And I think the Sensation still has loads of room
>for improvement...Until then, go join the pc droids on their advocacy groups
>where you can argue over which has more features (OS2.0 or Win3.1).

Well, of course OS/2 2.0 has more features that Windows3.1!
Oh, but then again you won't read this since *I* am a charter member of
the TKCC.

Hey Mike, work hard, and maybe YOU too can join the TKCC!  It looks like
you'r already halfway there!

The few..the proud...the Thorne Kontos Killfile Club.

-Dan Stephenson, TKKC member At Large.
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:54:51 GMT

In article <laf1qfINNh0l@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> dalbec@clavin.Eng.Sun.COM (Gabe Dalbec) writes:
>>
>> The MODs in hardwired alone beat Unreal's butt.
>>
>All this talk about hardwired made me finally download it, but it doesn't
>work on the A3000.  I have tried 1.3 w/ degrader, but it doesn't work.
>Does anyone have any way of getting this demo running on the A3k?

Good grief! Of course it cannot run on an A3000! It runs on 'even
a lowly A500'.  _Simply buy an A500_ and view Hardwired - that is
what *I* have been told to do.  The A3000? HA! A lousy Demo
machine - that is what A500s are for.

(NOTE SARCASM)

>-Gabe Dalbec

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From: doug@dsij.uucp (Doug Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 1 Sep 1992 01:24:55 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <52689@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>	I'd still vote for IFF.  There's an IFF viewer supplied with
>AmigaOS 2.04, and I'd bet that over 90% of the Amiga community has an
>IFF viewer anyway (even if it's Deluxe Paint).
>
>	Since this is an Amiga newsgroup, why not distribute files in an
>acknowledged Amiga format?  I realize that some people who read this group
>own other computers; but in an Amiga group, I think it's their burden to
>find an IFF viewer, rather than an Amiga owners' to find a JPEG or GIF or
>Faces viewer.

	Exactly my thoughts. Except it's probably closer to 99% of Amiga
owners. And probably 99% of Amiga graphic software has IFF capability.

>| Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center |
>| University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA  01003  --  barrett@cs.umass.edu |

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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:03:03 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
: In article <jbickers.0ebi@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
: >Quoted from <joe.715241690@milton> by amigo@milton.u.washington.edu (The Friend):
: 
: >> at 800x600 (all with built-in windows acelleration for >$200)... the future
: >>  promises a 1280x1024 card that does 256 colors at that res, 1024x768 with 16
: >>  million colors - at a "reasonable price". 
: >
: >    The _present_ offers that for the Amiga.
: 
: Oh really? What Amiga card can I seamlessly run all my amiga apps on at
: 1280x1024? What card is useable for all my apps? Oh..there isn't one?

GVP EGS? Well, it does 1600*1280 in 16M colors too...

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From: hyongel@cco.caltech.edu (Hyong Chol Lee)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:30:56 GMT

James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:

>I have a Quadra on my desk at work. It is impressive, for a Mac. The 040 in
>it almost makes the Mac OS as fast as my 030 Amiga at home. Except that it
>still does not multitask.

<some stuff deleted>

>I just typed the text for an entire brochure while picking up my news feed
>and tossing and linking the messages. On the mighty Quadra, this would have
>been impossible. The first disk-access would have caused the serial connect
>to loose a bunch of characters, causing a cascading series of serial
>errors, resulting in a dropped connection.

Have you actually tried this on a mac? Background kermit and ftp seem to work
fine on my lowly IIsi ...

				- hyong
hyongel@punisher.cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:29:04 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug27.205215.6014@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>
> 
> No question about that.  But when Amigoids start comparing their A500s to
> today's PC's and UNIX workstations, it gets a bit ridiculous.
> 
	Actually, Jerry IMHO this is a eminately practical comparison.  
	With a fully decked out Sun costing $30K and a Amiga 500 costing
	$400, if you see what the difference in cost buys you, that 
	$29,600.00 may not get *YOU* that much more value.  Certainly
	you have to decide what you want your computer to do for you.
	Same goes for comparing a $600.00 286 with the A500. For some
	people that 286 is what gets the job done.

	In terms of basic concept the Amiga OS is more comparable to 
	Unix than MS-DOS.  As Dr kittel pointed out a person who cut his 
	teeth on a Amiga knows more about Unix (without having used it) 
	than any DOS user.  The Amiga programmer (that's really a better 
	comparison) learns about preemptive/priority multitasking, makefiles, 
	devices, aliases, etc.

	In short, no it's not ridiculous, IMHO.

>>
>>Kelvin
>>
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From: summ50@cse.unl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:38:28 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:


>   Mr. Barney also goes on state facts that are simply wrong.  He states that 
>there are about 1000 Amiga dealers in the U.S., and there can't possibly be 
>this many.  There might have been this many in the U.S. when the Amiga was at
>its height in sales about four years ago, but things have declined considerably
>since then.  I know for a fact that there used to be six Amiga dealers in the
>state of Nebraska, and that there is only one now; and that there used to be 
>five Amiga dealers in the state of Iowa, and that there is only one here now
>as well.  I also know that the Midwest used to be stronger in Amiga sales as


Hmmmm....  Let me see.....   Computers 'R' Us in Lincoln is an Amiga dealer,
and Double E Computers in Omaha is an Amiga dealer.....

Gosh, that's already TWICE as many Nebraska Amiga dealers as you claim,
Marc.

(And, yes, I have even visited both of them recently, and they are both
still around!)



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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:08:01 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>> 
>> Lessee... OS/2 has VM & MP.
>
>	Most computer books I have read consider VM a last resort.  Why?
>	It is slow.  It was necessary because of the 640K limit on DOS.
>

Wow.  Your books are sure different from mine.  Most OS books I've read
devote a hell of a lot of text to explaining the implementation of VM, MP,xi
and other such "last resorts".  Do you actually think that VM was invented
for DOS?  Yes, accessing disk is slower than accessing RAM chips, but it's
a lot better than having the machine hang or crash in an out-of-memory
condition.

>
>	Even extended and expanded memory won't help, because you can only
>	store data.  In the MS-DOS world you have 4 kludges to get around
>	lack of flat memory model: VM, extended memory, expanded memory,
>	and overlays.
>

You are dangerously uninformed here.  Software memory access protocols
such as XMS (extended) and EMS (expanded) have nothing to do with Intel's
segmented addressing; they have to do with the 8086 only having 20 address
lines.  16-bit OS/2 (1.x) uses segmented addressing, and can access 16MB
physical RAM (more virtual).

VM a kludge?  Nope, it's a necessity, as far as I'm concerned.

>
>	I don't know why people keep complaining about this, all you need
>	to do is use the subst command.  I will look it up for you:
>
>	subst a: b:\                                              
>

This won't work for self-booting programs like the OS/2 installer.  The
BIOS normally reads drive A for booting.  Some proprietary BIOS's allow you
to switch this through the ROM-resident setup program, others don't.

>
>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization. My opinions only **
>
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 29 Aug 92 11:20:39 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Aug28.150244.22423@ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel):
> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

> >> Never tried it.  Have you?  Didn't think so.

> >    Some combinations I have tried on the Amiga with no editor
> >    degradation are:

> Your point in posting these?

    In order to inject some real-life information into this thread, in
    response to the "Never tried it.  Have you?  Didn't think so."
    remark.

> >    I have never done (or personally seen done) even one of these
> >    things on a PC, despite working in an office full of PCs.

> I see.  So that means that a PC can't do these things, right?

    No, I did not say that. I just said I've never seen it done. I
    personally WANT to do these things, but can't with the software
    available to me (for an IBM PS/2 Model 60).

> >> It still isn't even close to OS/2 in terms of functionality.
> >
> >    This is like saying that it doesn't even come close to duct tape
> >    in terms of functionality.

> I didn't realize "duct tape" was an OS.  What machine does it run on?

    The Universe. It holds it together. CF: light side/dark side
    theory.

    I assume you understand my point here. If you don't, say so and
    I'll try to dumb it down some more.

> >    The generic hardware comes with drivers that are already
> >    installed. For example, the serial.device driver comes with the
> >    machine. If you don't use an external serial board, then that's
> >    all you'll need.

> The point, please?  All PC operating systems are the same way.

    Why did you delete my paragraph about AUTOCONFIG? What's wrong
    with you?

> | Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |
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