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From: MALLON@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Rainer "RaMa" Mallon)
Subject: Re: Other authors
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:20:36 GMT
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In <Sep30.020928.77475@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> schwarte@CS.ColoState.EDU writes:

> Also, check out _The Neverending Story_, by some german gentleman whose name
> eludes me for the moment.
> 
> -Eric

His name is Michael Ende. He has written other beautiful books too, like
_Momo_, the plot there is a about a child fighting against the grey men
stealing time.

Greetings,
       RaMa.

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From: bwj@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bobby Johnson)
Subject: Unmaking
Organization: Harris Controls Division
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:36:23 GMT

I was recently re-reading the Mallorian series and noticed an odd event.

Toward the beginning of the first book, when Belgarath Durnik and Polgara were
fixing up the cottage in the vale, Polgara was making soap by hand.

Belgarath and Polgara  were arguing (what else is new) about how much harder
and smellier it was to do it by hand.  To prove his point, Belgarath conjured
up a bar of soap.

Then Polgara made the soap vanish!  That sounds a lot like unmaking to me.
I doubt she just made it invisible.

Why didn't she explode like Ctuchik did when he tried to unmake the Orb?

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From: cantor@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor)
Subject: Re: Zedar
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:09:34 GMT

In article <jfarmer.717702129@sfu.ca> jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer) writes:
>About Zedar.  Belgarath has been quoted many times saying what one "sorcerer"   does another cannot undo.
>
>As for "Be notting" himself out of existance I doubt Zedar would chose that     route as it sounds painful.
		     ^^^^^^^>
>Jason Farmer
>jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca
>

	More painful than dwelling inside solid rock for eternity?

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From: U60145@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings is washed up as an author
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:43:40 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Even if you say that all modern fantasy is a spinoff of Tolkien, you must
realise that even his isn't completely original.  Thank of all the early early
works of fantasy such as Le Morte d'Arthur or even T.H. White's books or the
Faerie Queen or whatever else you want.  Even so, I still don't agree that
Eddings is "just another Tolkien spinnoff".
From: dstiles@kpc.com (Doug Stiles)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: NEW Eddings Works
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:28:29 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer

In article <1992Sep25.124830.1428@tronsbox.xei.com>, bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:

|> >I don't know exactly when it came out, but I just finished reading
|> >_The Losers_  (I think it's recent - at least it's still on our 
|> >library's 7-day loan list).  It is not at all what I've come to 
|> >expect from DE.  As a matter of fact, it isn't a fantasy, but 
|> >rather a fiction-drama.
|> >
|> >At first it seemed a little slow, but once I got into it, I didn't want
|> >to put it down.  I thought the characters were well developed and the plot
|> >was an interesting definition of success.  There were a few lines that 
|> >really struck me as being bad cliches but overall I'd recommend it as 
|> >good reading, unless you're really stuck on reading only fantasies.
|> 
|> Sounds like a reprint of High Hunt, which was copyrighted in 1973.
|> Was it about a bunch of idiots and one normal person who go hunting
|> and get hung up on one particular deer?
|> 

No, different plot.  _The Losers_ is about an all-American boy whose
college roommate *helps* him taint his perfect image.  Once imperfect,
he is forced to fight not to become *a loser*.  Anything more
would qualify as spoilers.  Again, it's worth reading.
From: 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Will, but no Word!
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:09:44 GMT
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW

In article <92275.125236EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Has anyone noticed that although it's called "the Will and the Word," the word
>part of it is rarely used?
>There have been countless times when someone has done something without saying
>a word.  I'd give specific examples, but I don't have the books with me.
>(Although, how about when Garion was in the snake queen's (her name escapes me
>) palace in Queen of Sorcery, and he was poisoned.  Remeember how he cured
>himself?)
>
>          a thought,
>               Eylon Geva

maybe they just mutter to themselves!!!

Matthew
UNSW,SYDNEY.
Australia.

  --reality is the illusion created by those who cannot handle drugs--
From: jbcj+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. Byrne)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Will, but no Word!
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:11:38 GMT
	<wright.717996212@latcs1.lat.oz.au>
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Has anyone noticed that although it's called "the Will and the Word," the word
>part of it is rarely used?
>There have been countless times when someone has done something without saying
>a word.  I'd give specific examples, but I don't have the books with me.
>(Although, how about when Garion was in the snake queen's (her name escapes me
>) palace in Queen of Sorcery, and he was poisoned.  Remeember how he cured
>himself?)

-I remember somewhere that Garion had to _think_ a word to get his sorcery 
-to work. Maybe the word doesn't necessarily have to be said out loud.
-	BTW the instance I am referring to is when he couldn't think up a 
-good word to go with the sorcery, so he just used "make it this way", and
-just thought that.



--

	I remember them saying (them meaning the sorcerers), that the word was
merely a focus for the will, and it is really not necessary; it is
similar to a gesture or a staff.  So, for the more powerful and
experienced sorcerers, the word is not necessary because their will is
already focused from so much practice. 

										Jeff
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 15:15:48 CDT
From: <U60145@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Zedar, etc.
 <1992Sep25.161730.15443@Princeton.EDU>

About Zedar being sealed up.  I do remember Belgarath saying something like
"That is part of what I dis to him.  He'll stay there till the end of days" (in
response to Barak's (?) question on if he could get out.  One thing I always
wondered is if he could have destroyed himself (as in "be not").
From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Unmaking, Undoing
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:57:56 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Seems to me I remember Belgarath and Garion discussing this. Zedar can't
do anything about his situation because it requires that he duplicate
not only the spell, but the logical process by which it was formed.
Since magic is unique to each sorcerer, although many can duplicate
more common spells, they don't do it the same way because it's tied
in to the way they think and perceive reality.

Consider that although each can become a wolf, Garion and Belgarath 
don't look alike even in their wolf forms.

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca
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From: brunborg@solan.unit.no (]dne Brunborg)
Subject: Re: Unmaking, undoing
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:05:03 GMT

In article <20820@plains.NoDak.edu>, hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry) writes:
 > In article <1992Sep30.143623.22734@ccd.harris.com> bwj@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bobby Johnson) writes:
 > >Then Polgara made the soap vanish!  That sounds a lot like unmaking to me.
 > >I doubt she just made it invisible.
 > 
 > She changed it into neutrinos.
 > 
 > Belgarath claimed that to undo a sorcerous deed one must think exactly
 > like the sorceror that did the deed. Belgarath claimed that to do
 > a sorcerous deed one must understand exactly what one is doing. Belgarath
 > claimed to lie. That last claim is demonstrably true. The middle one
 > is demonstrably false. The truth of the first claim depends on precisely
 > what one means by "undo". Polgara's soap trick pretty much demonstrates
 > that for practical purposes one sorceror can undo the work of another.
 > If Zedar cannot move himself, perhaps he can move the world.
 > 
 > -- 
 > Mike   hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu
 > "I still thing it's garbage, but beautifully cooked."   --  TP on TP

Well, if a sorcerer in order to undo something must think exactly as the sorcerer
who made it, why couldn't Garion undo _I dont remember what, som minor object_ ?
If anyone should know exactly how Garion thinks, that must be Garion!...

Opinions, anybody?

So long!

		Aadne Brunborg
		Norwegian Institute of Technology
		University of Trondheim
		NORWAY
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From: cantor@moon.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor)
Subject: Re: Unmaking
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:35:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.143623.22734@ccd.harris.com> bwj@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bobby Johnson) writes:
>I was recently re-reading the Mallorian series and noticed an odd event.
>
>Toward the beginning of the first book, when Belgarath Durnik and Polgara were
>fixing up the cottage in the vale, Polgara was making soap by hand.
>
>Belgarath and Polgara  were arguing (what else is new) about how much harder
>and smellier it was to do it by hand.  To prove his point, Belgarath conjured
>up a bar of soap.
>
>Then Polgara made the soap vanish!  That sounds a lot like unmaking to me.
>I doubt she just made it invisible.
>
>Why didn't she explode like Ctuchik did when he tried to unmake the Orb?
>
>---
>Bobby Johnson				Phone   (407) 242-4261

	I don't think invisible is the proper term.  What she did was basically
separate the molecules that made up the bar of soap and disperse them into the
air.  Nothing was destroyed, just rearranged.

	That begs the question, why didn't Ctuchik just do that to the Orb
instead of trying to unmake it?  The Orb might have some defense against
that, but what about people or large objects?  This may be another flaw in
the philosophy.

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From: u921470@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Anthony Chan)
Subject: Domes of Fire
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:24:14 GMT

Yes I have *it*  Domes of Fire by David Eddings
It is the first book in the series entitled The Tamuli

It only cost $Aus25 (reduced from $35) and it was released only
a week or to ago in hardcover.







Not really a spoiler alert as the following is from the inside flap of
the novel, but for those that are not interested forget about the rest.
































The following has been taken out from the inside flap of the novel:

At the conclusion of The Elenium, the compnay of Pandion Knights
led by Sir Sparhawk, having freed Queen Ehlana of Elenia from the spell
which threatened her life, had marched on Zemoch, routed their enemies,
and defeated or destroyed the evil god Azash.  Sparhawk returned to Elenia
where he and Ehlana were married.

But their peaceful reign is destined not to last long.  A few years later,
in the Tamul Empire, far to the east, unrest is brewing which threatens
the nation's stability.  Investigators show that the trouble is clearly of
paranormal orgin (how strange huh??), and suspicion at first falls upon the
Styprics.  These suspicious prove unfounded, and indeed it is the preeminent
 Styric magician Zalasta who suggested that the Empire look westwards for
assistance in solving their problems... specifically, to the legendary
warrior Sparhawk.

Domes of Fire begins a new David Eddings trilogy, set a few years after
the events of the The Elenium, and filled with the unique mix of magic and
adventure, humor and epic grandeur, which have made Eddings the pre-eminent
moder fantasy writer.

(Published by HarperCollinsPublishers  UK)

It is in the normal format with a characteristic Prologue and maps.

It starts off....

It was early spring, and the rain still had the lingering chill of winter.
A soft, silvery drizzle sifted down out of the night sky and wreathed
around the blocky watchtowers of Cimmura...... (very similar to the
beginning of The Diamond Throne - in fact some phrases are very almost
identical)


Then some 470 pages later....

" ..... You didn't think I'd let you put it someplace where I couldn't
find it did you?"

(no mention of the title of the second book).

Anyway I have not read it yet (having only purchased it today) so I cannot
give any opinion about it.

And of course I have exams very soon... (but hey it should only take a
night or two to read it?)


Anthony


Oh Does anyone know what High Hunt is about? Is it worth finding?
I mean I have been to many many books stalls and cannot find it.

e-mail address u921470@postoffice.utas.edu.au

Then again I live in Tasmania.


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From: g92k4260@ru.ac.za (Bryan Kilian)
Subject: Re: Eddings is washed up as an author
Reply-To: csbk@alpha.ru.ac.za
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:55:58 GMT

Brett Paterson (s1070627@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
> 
> What an utter load of BULLSHIT!  Saying that every fantasy novel is a spinoff
> of the Lord of the Rings, just shows what an ignoramous you are.
>   Fantasy authors strive to create original storylines, and do not pop off to
> their bookshelf to look up the Lord of the Rings to see if they are doing it
> right.
>   There are many brilliant fantasy authors out there who have come up with
> original & interesting storylines (check out Weis & Hickman for original),
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                   |||||
                                                   /////
                    THEM??? They're just as bad as any other fantasy author. 
I can think of hundreds of similarities between the Wies-Hickman stories
and the Lord of the Rings Fantasy standard. That is not to say that they are
not good authors. I love the Dragonlance series, but saying it is not a
spinoff of Tolkien's books is ridiculous.

Bryan

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From: 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re:Weis and Hickman
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:00:56 GMT
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW

In article <1992Sep29.145558.27894@hippo.ru.ac.za> csbk@alpha.ru.ac.za writes:
>Brett Paterson (s1070627@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
>> 
>> What an utter load of BULLSHIT!  Saying that every fantasy novel is a spinoff
>> of the Lord of the Rings, just shows what an ignoramous you are.
>>   Fantasy authors strive to create original storylines, and do not pop off to
>> their bookshelf to look up the Lord of the Rings to see if they are doing it
>> right.
>>   There are many brilliant fantasy authors out there who have come up with
>> original & interesting storylines (check out Weis & Hickman for original),
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                                   |||||
>                                                   /////
>                    THEM??? They're just as bad as any other fantasy author. 
>I can think of hundreds of similarities between the Wies-Hickman stories
>and the Lord of the Rings Fantasy standard. That is not to say that they are
>not good authors. I love the Dragonlance series, but saying it is not a
>spinoff of Tolkien's books is ridiculous.
>
>Bryan
>
 Name the similarities if you may?
Otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Matthew Wadwell.
From: tao@fine.princeton.edu (Terry Tao)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Unmaking, Undoing
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:53:43 GMT
Organization: Princeton University

Actually, the best explanation is that Zedar doesn't know where in earth he
is.

If he translocates, he's not going to get in the right place and he'll blow
up.

Of course, this may be preferable to eternal stasis.

Terry
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From: f91ke@efd.lth.se (Kristin Einarsdotter)
Subject: Re: Eddings is washed up as an author
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:05:24 GMT


 Just to go to the bottom of this:
            
 Wagner built his story on the ancient nordic saga "The ring of the
 Niberlungs" in which a powerfull ring (much like Tolkien's) plays an 
 important role. Tolkien, on the other hand, took bits and pieces from 
 that saga and others. If you read these sagas you'll recognize not
 only names ,like Middle Earth, but also whole events. For instance;  
 Turin Turambar killed the dragon Glaurung in exactly the same way as 
 Sigurd Fafnersbane kills the dragon Fafner in "The ring of the Niberlungs"   


                                     live well,
                                                Kristin


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 *  Kristin Einarsdottir      "Do not go gently into that good night        *
 *  Intitute of Technology     Rage, rage against the dying of the light"   *
 *  Lund                                               Dylan Thomas         *
 *  Sweden                                                                  * 
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From: jsf1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Jeffrey S. Foster)
Subject: High Hunt
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  5 Oct 92 13:22:54 GMT

High Hunt is a contemporary fiction story based around a hunting trip.
A bunch of guys decide to take a short vacation to hunt some deer in the
mountains (I forget exactly where), and they have various problems:  One
of the guys is highly unstable, someone slept with someone else's wife,
etc.  Basically, the story is about how all the characters interact and
try to kill one another.  It's a pretty good story; I'd recommend reading
it, even though it's not at all like the Belgariad or the Mallorian.

By the way, it's not at all a difficult book to find.  I don't know if it's
still in print or if they just never sold many copies, but you should be able
to special-order it from any bookstore.  It shouldn't cost anything; if it
does, try somewhere else.

-jeff

Jeff Foster -- jsf1@cornell.edu

(By the way, this is my first post, so if it doesn't come out quite right,
sorry.)
From: fannicm@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Will, but no Word!
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:20:20 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <92275.125236EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>, <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Has anyone noticed that although it's called "the Will and the Word," the word
> part of it is rarely used?
> There have been countless times when someone has done something without saying
> a word.  I'd give specific examples, but I don't have the books with me.
> (Although, how about when Garion was in the snake queen's (her name escapes me
> ) palace in Queen of Sorcery, and he was poisoned.  Remeember how he cured
> himself?)
> 
>           a thought,
>                Eylon Geva
-- 
  	You have posed a very good question here.  Let us threorize this idea
into the ground and get away from the Tolkien arguement (*hint*).  I
remember a few times when the importance of the Word was stressed, (i.e.
The Word gives meaning to the event, without the Word the event would be
meaningless, etc.).  Perhaps that can be taken to a much more literal
extreme than first presents itself.  _Perhaps_, since without the Word, the
Will has no meaning, all that is necesssary is to provide the meaning. 
What if all that is truly necessary is that the word be thought?  You would
still have the Word, and you would have the meaning in that case.  

Just a possible explanation....
-----
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666 Hellfire Lane
*** Without other visions of what should be, there is no progress.
*** The only true sin is not standing up for what you believe.
*** Lead...follow...or get out of my way.
From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Domes of Fire
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:47:09 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Its out in Melbourne, folks!
I saw it today, along with the cover poster at the University
bookstore, for $35 (aust)

Now, to rob a bank.

Eccles
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From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Unmaking
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:51:59 GMT

tpenning@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas R Pennington) writes:

>>
>>    I don't think invisible is the proper term.  What she did was basically
>>separate the molecules that made up the bar of soap and disperse them into the
>>air.  Nothing was destroyed, just rearranged.
>>
>>    That begs the question, why didn't Ctuchik just do that to the Orb
>>instead of trying to unmake it?  The Orb might have some defense against
>>that, but what about people or large objects?  This may be another flaw in
>>the philosophy
>(Name and signature deleted)

>     What about making it evaporate?  Or teleporting it somewhere?  Also, maybe
>old Ctuchik did not think of it.  Remember, he was extremely angry.
I think the word your looking for here is: Shitscared.

Eccles aka *grin*
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