HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Some of Rajeev Gowda's actual views on Ayodhya ...
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:10:38 GMT

(Ramesh Venkat) writes:
>(Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>
>>Though Muslims have been operating within the secular and legal frmework
>>of the Indian constitution, they have failed the "perception
>>test." 
>
>	Who sets the "test"/standard?  Seldom do we find that the 
>	perception of two individuals on any given event (or any
>	stimuli) is identical because as human beings we bring in
>	our own biases into the interpretation/perceptual process.
>	That is why there is so much conflict in the world.  If only we
>	could all see the world the same way...

You are absolutely correct. But there is this thing of majority 
opinion and perception. And worse, it does not lend itself to any
"test/standard". And most often, it is not directly linked to any
specific factual circusmtance, and therefore is extremely 
difficult to contend with on terms of principle. 

>	If the muslims have failed the "perception test" (as you put it)
>	in the eyes of *some* Hindus, then by the same token *some*
>	Hindus have failed the test in the muslim eye as well.  The 

Definitely. But the point is this: the Hindu perception of Muslims
is likely to affect Muslims more than the Muslim perceptino of Hindus
because of the sheer fact that Hindus far outnumber Muslims. The same
holds for Indians in US. What Americans think of us affects us much more
than what we think of them.

>	The following quote captures the complexity of the human perceptual
>	process:
>
>	"Every perceiver is, as it were, to some degree a nonrepresentational
>	artist, painting a picture of the world that expresses his individual
>	view of reality." [Krech, Crutchfield and Ballachey (1962), p.12]

Correct. And we have to guard ourselves against these perception sof
others.

Satya Prabhakar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Was there a temple at the site
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 21 JAN 93 10:17:11    


In article <1993Jan20.063010.28388@eng.ufl.edu>, Ravi Kiran <ballams@pine.circa.ufl.edu> writes...
> 
>that is India.  If we don't fight over non-issues we feel that 
>we aren't contributing our part to the countries progress.
> 
>ravi kiran.

	Not every one is as intelligent as you are. So take it easy.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan )
Subject: Re: (misleading) Indian Express Advertisement re: RJB 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:18:58 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I fully agree with the views tabled by Mr.Pramadhnanth Sastry.
I myself was a psuedo secularist once.  But not any more.
I regret those days.

It is being increasingly evident to me that Muslims in India put
Islam in front of the Indian constitution and do not give a damn
about India and the sentiments of the Hindus.  If at all any
secularism is going on it is ONE-SIDED, ie., only the Hindus
are being accomodative for their so called Muslim brothers, but
the Muslims on their part interpret this kindiness as a weakness
of the Hindu-kafirs as they call us.  They will NEVER NEVER be
our friends as long as we are Hindus.  They do not have any good
thoughts and do not wish well for Hinduism and Hindus.

So enough is enough.  It is time for us to be tough and assertive and
BJP and VHP are doing the right things for India with an eye on
the future.  They are not like the shameless Cong-(i) who are
interested in placating anti-national elements for temperory gains.

Jai-Hind 
Vande-mataram
Garv se kaho ki hum Hindu hain
Sivaram Hariharan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Re: ********SALMAN RUSHDIE************
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:24:15 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.025731.9680@fuug.fi> an5584@anon.penet.fi (Salman Rushdie) writes:

   Hip Hip Hurry!!!!!!!!!
	   ^^^^^    

   Now Salman Rushdie has invaded the s.c.i.
   See what will happen now.
----

If it is on the caliber of pretentious wit that emanated from past anon
postings, we all await with eagerness your "controversial" "challenging"
postings.

--Naeem

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From: sharma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Sandeep Sharma (temp))
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:30:45 GMT
Subject: Re: American equivalent of Bengal Gram?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian

In soc.culture.indian, dbm@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dennis B Meilicke) writes:

> Hi...
> 
> I have a recipe that calls for Bengal Gram.  What is it?  Is there an
> American equivalent?  Is there a substitute?  Or should I use just any
> old dal?  :-)
> 

In America it is known as " Garbanzo Beans " .

Happy cooking,

Sandeep
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: sgs1679@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: Re: Rajiv Assasination: Verma Report (excerpts)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:33:47 GMT

 In article <C0t8D7.Ezo@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>
>             Rajiv Assasination: Excerpts from Justice Verma Report 
>
>Source: India Today, Jan 15,1993.
>    :
>    :
>which shows that but for a series of security lapses by
>TAMILNADU POLICE, the former primeminister might well have
>been ALIVE TODAY.

I just don't understand why you have to do a such a big "boo-hoo" over
the assasination.  The security lapses which led to the assasination 
are a direct result of the "Chalta Hai" attitude which Nehru introduced, 
and which Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi encouraged just in order to 
ensure that their thrones were secure. It is rather pointless to blame
some Tamilnadu police inspector and his policemen for what happened.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
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From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Shivanand Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: help!!!help!!!!!help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:56:32 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <C1J5tq.65G@athena.cs.uga.edu> venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (YOSSARIN ARAM) writes:
>  To the communicators of the world..........

	stuff deleted [...]

>  Does CITIBANK or any of its software subsidiaries like
>  CITICORP or CITITEL have email facilities in India....
	
	The answer is no. At least 6 months ago COSL and other CITICORP ventures
	did not have access to email. They had a few accounts on "shakti" which is 
	machine in NCST. Whatever emailing was done, was thruogh these accounts. 
	They are however not reliable, as privacy is not guaranteed.

	CITICORP however has its own email system called citimail or cmail. This
	network exists throughout the world. Every citibank location has access 
	to citimail etc.... Again the small fry is grouped together and given a
	single account. so once again privacy is not guaranteed.

	Shivanand Bhajekar

>  Would appreciate any help or response.
>  bye
>  gopa
>
From: chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Request/Question to Bapa Rao
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:19:49 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu

In article <C19s5D.7ot@ucunix.san.uc.edu	 raj@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
	Relative to the level of immorality assigned by you to the crime of 
	posting personal mails on sci, where do you place the *act* (I am 
	not calling it a crime!) of reporting to the employers of those with 
	whom one may have a difference of opinion. Yes, the difference may be
	extreme, but is the recourse to Complaints-to-Employers *ethical*?
	I don't think Virendra has ever been personally abusive towards anyone.
	
	It only shows that his opponents are at a total loss of ideas on how
	to counter his arguments.
	

I completely agree with Raj.  I think it is outrageous (and contemptible)
that someone wrote to complain to V's employer about his postings, and even
more outrageous that the employer cared and obviously did something about
it that caused V to declare to post some sort of a disclaimer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: What is and isn't Hindutva (Was Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article)
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:01:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.202049@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:



>An interesting point to note is that there seems to be no mention in the Quran
>of any necessity to create a nation-state called an "Islamic state". 
>The idea of an "Islamic state" appears to be a wholly human creation which
>took flight after the formation of the caliphates. I've not seen any injunction
>in the Quran which specifically calls upon muslims to create a political state
>based on Islam. In fact the Sharia or the so-called "Islamic law" appears to be
>vaguely defined consisting in the most part of laws which are at best an
>interpretation of some groups of people or individuals which over a period of
>time came to be touted as some immutable and almost *divine* set of rules/laws.
>
>There is nothing sacred about the Sharia inasmuch as they are not any literal
>part of the Quran.
>
>
>--Javed.
>
> 


I agree with Javed that the idea of Islamic States does not originate
very clearly from Quran and has only evolved over time in the Muslim society. 
Its a matter of interpretation whether the Quranic injunctions should be
adopted by individuals on a personal basis or enforced by a State on its
subjects. Somehow, the enforcers hold sway in larger parts of today's
Muslim world. And it is my view that many of the conflicts in which 
Muslims are today involved all over the world will simply disappear 
once those Muslims who don't believe in Quran being enforced by State
become more powerful in the Muslim society. Islam as a religion also may
become more appealing in such an environment.


---raj

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@launchpad.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Asthana's School of Sermons for Hackle-raising, Offensive, Lewd and 
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:03:11 GMT

In article <1ju4q2INN57h@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>
>Mighty pretentious coming from somebody who has complained in chronological
>order to the following system administrators (that I know of):
>
>1. Samit Banerjee    2. Ed Crick   3. Sreehari Nimmala  4. Deb Chatterjee
>5. Mustafa Ibrahim   6. An elusive MSA net   7. Deepak Bose
>8. The Wimpy Finn who runs the anonymous service
>9. The lady from KSU who forgot to log out and from whose account certain 
>descriptions of sex acts with a cow were posted. This was after an apology 
>was posted from her account the next day.

How many of these people are real ? 

I happen to know for a fact that at least one of those is a hoax
of the proportions of Ram Lakhan if not worse ? So, how about
less grandiloquence and hypocrisy or is it too much to expect ?

Disgusted,
Sthan.

[Hypocritical ravings deleted, except]

>
>Samit
>
>std. disclaimer  I hope this does not violate Mr.Asthana's code of ethics.
>		 Please check with me before complaining to my sys.admin.
>-- 
>Samit Banerjee,			    |  
>University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
>Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
>Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |  


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From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: (misleading) Indian Express Advertisement re: RJB
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:42:35 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

In Sanjoy Ghosh (ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu) writes: 

>Ah!  Its okay for Mr Jagadeesh to not be factually correct, but I
>must atleast get my facts right.

I wanted to point out that since you were accusing somebody of deliberate
misrepresentation of the facts, which I believe Mr.Jagdeesh refrained from 
doing, the burden of proof was on you. The least you could do under the 
circumstances, was to be factually correct.

It wasn't my intention to take sides in this dispute, even though you may think
otherwise.

Samit
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: Using mail server to find email address
Reply-To: mahesh@evb.com
Organization: SETT Inc.
Affiliate-Of: EVB Software Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:22:30 GMT


recently there was a posting about using a mail server to
find email addresses by giving just the last/first name.
if any of you have that article saved could you forward it
to me?

thanks

-- 

B.G. Mahesh      
mahesh@evb.com  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: sm iso sf
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:01:26 GMT

In article <C0x1y8.1wB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ssr39687@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cannibal Hannibal) writes:
>sgokhale@lonestar.utsa.edu (Shashank S. Gokhale) writes:
>
>>hi all,
>>	i am a single asian indian male, 25, who is seeking a lady between
>>the ages of 18-30 for some good, clean fun.  i am in San antonio, TX, and
>>am quite lonely as i do not know many people over here.  if anyone out there
>>meets these qualifications, please reply.  lets have some fun!!  life is too
>>short to be alone.
>>i am originally from bombay, but i used to live in dubai.
>>i hope to hear you soon.
>>i am a hindu brahmin
>
>Yet another person who forgot to log out!

But trying very hard to log in ! ;-)

<.. sorry for the ganda, but this was asking for it ..>

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sriram@top.cis.syr.edu ()
Subject: X+1
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 17:43:19 EST

Dear fellow netters,

 Can a kind soul who saved the famous X+1 syndrome article from the
 previous posting send me a copy. I appreciate the help.

 My address is   sriram@top.cis.syr.edu

thanks,
-sriram
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: Re: New Cabinet List Reveals Shameless Pan
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:08:09 GMT

In article 8495@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca, bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish) writes:
-+>In article <1993Jan20.024019.20288@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu writes:
-+>>[.....]
-+>>As for antulay. That's present maharashtra politics.  He is going against
-+>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-+>>Maharashtra CM, and since the CM is getting too powerful, Pawar & Antulay
-+> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-+>
-+>Wrong. Antule is not going against Sudhakar Naik. In fact, there are two
-+>distinct groups in Maharashtra Congress now: Sharad Pawar group against
-+>Sudhakar Naik/Shankarrao Chavan/A.R. Antule group.

A.R. (?) antuley has always been the blue-eyed boy of the high command.
Even after rajiv's death, he was fawning PVNR and a whole lot of people.
In fact, he was the bad boy in the control of the high command.  Even when
he revolted against rajiv, it was well analysed in news analysis reports
in mags, that he was behaving more like a `neglected-child' and so was
hankering for attention...

If what U say, is true, then its definitely a recent development, that I
didnt know... :-(  God knows what he's upto.  He defintely sees the local
politician as more stable...

Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: sgoel@cs.purdue.edu (Shalab Goel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Alcoholic Abuse
Date: 23 Jan 1993 15:16:54 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ector.cs.purdue.edu


     hi there,

	Can somebody send me information about the 
	Alcoholic Anonymous Society in India. I 
	know that seeking this kind of information 
	is little offbeat on sci, but any help will 
	be much appreciated.

				Shalab Goel

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: parthas@vms.ucc.okstate.edu
Subject: Info needed please........
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:46:45 GMT

Hi
Does anyone know what is the best way to send money to india?
I would appreciate any info to me email addresses
parthas@doug.nmsu.edu
or
parthas@vms.ucc.okstate.edu
Thanks in advance
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: indukuri@eagle.sangamon.edu (Padmaja Indukuri)
Subject: need source code to create windows in TURBO C++
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:59:44 GMT

Hi netters, 
		I need source code for creating windows in TURBO C++.
		I got source code for creating windows in Zortech C++.
		But it is missing a header file <disp.h>
		Can anybody send me information regarding creating 
		windows in Turbo C++ ?
		Please send me email to 
		indukuri@eagle.sangamon.edu

		Thanks in advance

		Padmaja Indukuri
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: psubbu@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Ponnuswamy Subburajan)
Subject: Re: Shoot Thackeray
Reply-To: psubbu@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Ponnuswamy Subburajan)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:27:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.150450.8766@fzi.de> fzi.de writes:
>
>So who wants to organise the coming attempt to assassinate Bal Thackeray?

What is wrong with that?. How many of you guys feel sorry when a Sikh
militant or a Kashmir militant get killed?. Our Indian news papers
proudly announce the next day "Top JKLF Leaded Killed" or "Ten Sikh
Militants Killed in an Encounter". What is the difference between
them and the BJP/VHP/RSS/Shiv Sena terrorist gang?. Those Sikh and
Kashmir militants are infact a million times better than these
Bal Thackerays and Advanis. They atleast know that what they are
doing is against law and go for underground life. How would you
catogorize the terrorists like Thackeray, Advani, Sinhal etc. They
enjoy all comforts, indulge in terrorist activities and screw up 
the whole India. What is wrong in killing them?.

			The unity of a
nation depends solely on the unity of its citizens. These hindutva
people are trying to divide India. Saying Jai Hind or foisting
national flag alone would not keep the country together. These kind
of attitude only alienated Sikhs and Kashmiris from the Indian 
mainstream. And for most of us they are unpatriotic and terrorists.
If these BJP terrorists are allowed to continue one day or other
we will all become the citizens of the defunct India.Not only
Muslims, many people will fed up with democracy. Again terrorism
no peace, civil war etc. etc.

	There is only one way India can come out of this tangle.
Give them some time, if they continue to indulge in these terrorist
and barbaric activities kill all of them. No mercy, no enquiry
commision kill all of them. We very badly need someone who could
courageously destroy all these terrorists and some one really
interested in the welfare of India.

					-Subbu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
From: suvas@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Suvas Vajracharya)
Subject: Test
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:04:44 GMT

Pardon, test.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
From: richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter)
Subject: Re: Himal
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:07:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.024957.3764@leland.Stanford.EDU> rimal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rajiv Nath Rimal) writes:
>Does anyone know the subscription address of HIMAL?
>
In North America:
             M. Basnet
             4 S. Pinehurst Ave. #6A
             New York, NY 10033

Rate: US$ 25/y (individual); $45/y (institutions)
From: rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randile the Reptile)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Re: Himal
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:42:11 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <C17GH5.3A7@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.024957.3764@leland.Stanford.EDU> rimal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rajiv Nath Rimal) writes:
>>Does anyone know the subscription address of HIMAL?
>>
>In North America:
>             M. Basnet
>             4 S. Pinehurst Ave. #6A
>             New York, NY 10033
>
>Rate: US$ 25/y (individual); $45/y (institutions)


	This is the first I have heard of this publication.
(Sorry if I missed some earlier discussions.) I recently
returned from a month of trekking in the Everest region
in Oct. Needless to say, I had a great time and have become
very interested in Nepal, its culture, and its people.
I think my fondest memories are the warmth and friendliness
of the people. Perhaps, Himal would be a good publication
for me to get. Could someone post a few comments on Himal?
What sort of articles and subjects does it contain?
Photos? Worth getting? Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Randy Rohrer

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal,alt.religion.all-worlds,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randile the Reptile)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Re: Himal
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:58:07 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <C17GH5.3A7@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.024957.3764@leland.Stanford.EDU> rimal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rajiv Nath Rimal) writes:
>>Does anyone know the subscription address of HIMAL?
>>
>In North America:
>             M. Basnet
>             4 S. Pinehurst Ave. #6A
>             New York, NY 10033
>
>Rate: US$ 25/y (individual); $45/y (institutions)

	Thanks for the responses.

One person notified me that there was a new contact person
for HIMAL in North America:

	Anup Pahari
	134 East Walnut
	Lancaster, PA  17602

Thanks,

Randy Rohrer



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