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From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Black Balls
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:46:40 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello All!
Anyone out there using the black paintballs?  My partner bought a case but I haven't heard his thoughts on them yet.

My own are that it might be nice lobbing these little beauties because the opponent can't see where they are coming from if you have a quiet gun.

But can *you* see *them* going?

Ciao for Niao
Todd Looney
Silicon Valley's APPLE DUMPLING GANG Team!


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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Terre Haute, IN
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:21:29 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:

>Distribution: world

>OK, one more question.  I'm stuck here in Terre Haute, IN, and I want to  
>play paintball.  I've looked in the all knowing phone book and found  
>nothing.  Does anyone know of any fields in the area that I could  
>frequent?  One game every so often when I get to go home kinda sucks!  I  
>want to play here in the area.

>Thanks in advance.

>Todd

	Todd, If you don't mind driving up to Lafayette, try Battle Masters.
The phone number is (317) 447-3880....call for an open game time.  they
can give you $$$ numbers on the phone.  I don't know if you have your
own equipment or not....they rent the Tippman SL68 II.

	I don't think it is the *best* field in the world, but it IS
playable and beats NO field....

Duane
From: bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: straighter flying paintballs
Date: 4 Sep 1992 19:29:31 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu

In the pursuit of ever increasing accuracy, I would like to keep my paintballs
from curving.  I have a 16 inch barrell on order now, but havn't seen the 
improvement, if any that that will make.  I talked to a dealer about rifling
and all, and he said that he could hardly tell the difference between an
internally rifled barrel, an external rifled, or a barrel with a muzzle
break.

Once a long time ago I read somewhere of a guy who put something on the end
of his barrel to make the ball always spin in the same direction.  It had
a wierd name, and it broke a lot of balls.  It was really simple too, like
a piece of metal attached to the top side which would put an underspin on
the ball.

Anyway, I figured the noise here was getting too quiet, so if anyone is 
achieving at least %80 reliability, let me know what you did to get it,
or are all these 50 yard shots a myth?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...)
Subject: Re: 68 Automag?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 20:05:53 EDT

In article <1992Sep2.145450.3307@ducvax.auburn.edu> wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
> I am thinking of buying a 68 Automag.  From what I hear the bugs have finially
>been worked out.  Before I spend that kind of money I want to be sure it's what
>I expect and that I also don't spend a lot on accessories I don't need.  As far
>as I know here are my options:
>1) Buy a stock level 7.
>2) Buy a level 7 with a power feed and crown point barrel.
>3) #1 and replace barrel with a smart parts (or other?).
>4) #2 and replace with smart parts (Can't really afford this option unless
>someone convinces me it's a must.
>5) I already have a C/A bottle, but is an anti-siphon or liquid control valve
>necessary?  If so which is better?
>6) Convert to bottom line or have a long line running from gun to bottle on
>belt/back.
>

    I personally feel that a stock Automag (lvl 7) is pretty damned good to
begin with...  You can still shoot pretty quickly and accurately right out 
of the box.  However, if you are an EXTREMELY heavy shooter, get a power
feed.  In addition, a Viewloader 2000 isn't bad... I used to be a critic
of these things, but I tried one out and they work...  I've heard different
opinions on barrels for the Automag... Some say the crown point is the best,
others say this or that is....  I personally think that the Smarts Parts
is very nice for the Automag... It quiets it down to a whisper when it shoots,
and it increases range a bit, and accuracy to an extent...  On to C/A...
You can use a standard C/A tank reasonably well, but to be sure, an anti-siphon
or liquid control valve is a must, especially if you play in cold weather...
Well.. that's my two cents... Hope it helped....

 - Andre

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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: straighter flying paintballs
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:40:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg) writes:
>in an article  (Brian Keith Michalk) writes:

>>Anyway, I figured the noise here was getting too quiet, so if anyone is 
>>achieving at least %80 reliability, let me know what you did to get it,
>>or are all these 50 yard shots a myth?
	
	In a game I played when my Spartan was still QC - I lobbed a long
ball at this guy who was trying to flank my defensive position.  Hell,
he was just walking down a path, standing straight up.  My 12.5 gram
was a little low and I knew it.  The ball hit him square in the chest
and just bounced off, range being probably 40 to 45 yards.  Nice
thing about that QC is that it really was quick...

	So the guy laughs out loud and made some smart-ass remark
about me being a good shot even if my gun sucked.  That kind of irritated
me just a bit, so I did the half twist and dropped the old cylinder
and popped in a fresh one.  I lined up on him and fired again, leaving
a nice bright splotch right in the middle of his chest.  He said
several unpleasantries and walked off.  The guy next to me defending started
laughing hysterically and I almost shot *him* just for being so loud....

	I was kind of surprised that I got two shots in a row that
straight.  The very next shot I fired at another attacker made the
damndest corkscrew I ever saw.....and he was only about 40 FEET and
I missed him.  Fortunately my partner nailed him.

	Wasn't long after that I modded the gun to CA.  :-)  While
it makes the gun heavier and longer, it is less stressful knowing that
you'll get more than 25 to 30 shots off before you need a gas change.
I have been fond of using a small tupperware-type container which includes
a dessicant pack to tumble paintballs briefly before each game.  So
far I have been doing this by hand while I collect the parts to build a
12Volt tumbler.  Using a nice gel-cell battery it should work well
at the field.  Some people say its bullshit, but I am pretty sure I
get fewer "screwballs" and more straight shots doing this.....

Duane

>   Occasional 50 yard (150 ft) shots happen.  In various test
>ranges I have seen or played with 50 FT range with 12 inch (1ft) targets
>yield 8 of 10 hits on a regular basis with most of the good guns. 
>   With few exceptions most people don't present more then 12 inches worth
>of target to shoot at (except when their behind is hanging out:).
>   The most obvious benifit I have gotten from having a rifled
>barrel is to be able to sit 50 ft from a friend of mine who owns the
>same gun model that I do but with a different barrel and be able to 
>hit him when only his head is showing where I only needed to step
>behind cover when he was getting close. (And he did get close :).
>   He now wants a rifled barrel (Armiston(sp) for illustrator.).

>So it would seem that field tests show some strong recomendations
>for the rifled barrel that target range tests don't. 

>    -Rich-
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: lombardif@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Questions on paint types ???
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:19:11 GMT

What is the best kind of paint to use?
How many companies actually manufacter paint?
Which paint brands are re-marketed?
I am just looking for some different opinions on these questions.
Thanks,
Kevin Lombardi, Assistant Captain, Team Nemesis, Boston MA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Help : Paintball Guns that conform to Irish Law.
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 17:31:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <19532.2aac89f9@ul.ie> glynnw@ul.ie writes:
>Under Irish law, Paintball guns are classified as firearms and this restricts
>the range of weapons available.
>
>The primary restriction is that a firearm in Ireland cannot have a pistol grip
>and must have a stock of some form (e.g. C/A tank). This is due to the laws on 
>weapon concealment.

Hmmm...the basically wipes out 99% of all the paintball gun designs out
there as they all have a pistol grip.  The only other paintball gun I can
think of without a grip would be that "sabot cannon" thing be Airgun
Designs(?).  Basically a paint bazooka.  I've never seen one of these
things used yet...
 
Actually it shouldn't be too hard to get a Nelson based gun to fire without
the grip.  You end up with a paint "zip" gun. ^_^



>
>The only gun that I know that conforms to this restriction is the Sheridan Kp3.
>
>If anybody knows of other guns that can meet the above mentioned restrictions,
>or if guns are supplied in kit form that could possibly be modified, please 
>contact me.
>
>Regards,
>
>William Glynn.
>
>glynnw@ul.ie


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: stan@sabaac.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Andrew Staniszewski)
Subject: winter games
Reply-To: staniszewski@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:05:22 GMT

does anyone out there have experience with winter games??

are there any special problems with the paint, etc in winter conditions?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Guns
From: anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:10:28 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University





Well I just spent three weeks back home on vacation and playing with my team
on weekends on our "home" field.
 
I bought a smart parts barrel for my pmi-3 and also bought that big USI hopper
(220 rounds I believe).  The rifled barrel *did* seem to help the accuracy of
it's gun, but it wasn't some messanic cure.  It's worth the money, but don't
expect your gun to turn into a semi-auto version of an apex elite (the vector).
 
The one member the team who had a Pro/Am just sold his so that he could buy a
VM-68 Magnum.  He didn't like the trigger pull of the pro/am or the way the
back bottle was set up.  It seemed to do okay, but if you really started firing
a lot of balls, you would get a lot of breaks. I wasn't that impressed with it.
 
Another member of the team bought the .68 Automag to replace his apex elite.  I
got to mess around with it.  The automag is a painthose. (he has the powerfeed
system and a 20 oz back bottle, btw).  Doug consistently goes through a case or
close to a case of paint a day and racks up many, many kills.  I'll get maybe
15 people a day and Doug will get twice that. (we both average getting hit
about two or three times a days in return, just part of the game).
        It's difficult to accually aim the automage because of the power feed
getting in teh way, but it's not really a necessity, just start firing and
watch the balls go out.  This gun can fire as many balls as you can pull the
trigger and will experience little or no breaks.
 
As much as I like the automag, I doubt I will ever buy one, it just goes
through to much paint for my liking and I have no intention of buying another
gun untill the day when my pmi-3 is outclassed on the field (which will happen
if everyone buys automags)
 
I also got to mess around with a teamates VM-68 Magnum.  This is a *nice* gun,
you can do back-botle or front bottle with it.  It's just as loud as my pmi-3,
but it's pretty accurate so it's a reasonable tradeoff.
 
Eric Huber
Mankato State University
Law Enforcement Program
From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Non-paint toys in Paintball games
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:03:03 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep9.204723.802@auto-trol.com> stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
>I tossed a grenade in with him (this time managing to actually get it
>over the top of his cover), and heard him scream something inarticulate
>in return.  Just then, the enemy cavalry arrived and we were involved
>in an intense fire fight that captured all my attention.  I didn't
>see the guy leave the field, but I saw him later, one half of his body
>covered in woodland camo, the other half in a tasteful shade of blue.
>
>Steven Deemer

   Hey, good story!  I think I would have been pretty inarticulate
   if I got hit with a balloon full of paint, too, but at least the
   shade was tasteful. :)
From: dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Black Balls
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:08:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <Sep.13.19.53.59.1992.12739@remus.rutgers.edu>, btkuo@remus.rutgers.e
du (    Bernie) writes:
>When using black paint, mix a bunch of yellow or orange ones in there.
>They act as tracer ones, so you can track where they are going.
>'Course you can't always get them in the order you want, but it works
>well enough
>
>Bernie
>btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu
>'Team Genocide'
>
I really didn't like playing with black paint. I follow the ball (tracer).

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From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball players arrested
Keywords: IPPA
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:45:22 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep7.191109.23245@newstand.syr.edu> aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...) writes:
>
>    Actually, very few members of the IPPA get assistance either...  Face it
>people... The IPPA is a farce.  You send in your money, and a few months
>later, you get a patch and an "official" rulebook, and basically after that,
>squat...  Oh... you DO get the right to say that you are IPPA member #blah
>in conversation with other members so that you can all comfort each other,
>knowing that your money has vanished, and is doing very little to promote
>paintball as a whole, rather than promoting the IPPA and its events..
>To tell you the truth, I feel that it's better to save you money and get a
>good lawyer for any paintball litigation you may run into...  Just my 

   Well, no flame but I can't agree with you on this.  The IPPA may
   not have much money to spend on organizational trappings, but at
   least they are a visible group which stands up for our rights to
   play paintball.  They do publish some valuable safety standards,
   and Jessica Sparks has been known to provide legal assistance.
   You can get a one-year membership plus a magazine subscription for
   $25, does that seem like a lot?  See what it costs you to "get a
   good lawyer for any paintball litigation you may run into".

   I got a mailing from them yesterday saying that out of thousands
   of members only 68 people voted in the last board election (I was one).
   They didn't have enough money to try again for a quorum so a couple
   of businesses donated the cash.

   -Bill Carter
From: dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Guns
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:55:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>In article <1992Sep9.193810.5005@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolveri
ne) writes:
>>>like 'hoggin' with a .68 special.  Should I buy another specail or
>>>can anybody reccomend anything else to me?  Thanks in advance...
>>>
>>
>>Well, there's always the Pro/Am.  A tad smaller, quieter, and gets more gas
>>mileage that the Special. ^_^
>
>QUIETER!??!?  You must be kidding...  The Pro/Am is one of the loudest guns
>I have heard...  When I compare my Pro/Am to my Special, geeeeeeawd.... big
>difference... Granted, I have a Smart Parts barrel on my Special, but I still
>think that even with a stock barrel, a special has less of an edge on its
>report...
>
> - Andre

I just bought a .68 Special with a Bud Orr barrel included. After playing with
the Illustrator, ProAm, AutoCocker, PMI III, Poison, Icon Z1, it became very
apparent that in many ways the guns listed were better than the Special except
for "reliability". The Special is a gas hog, but a 20 OZ. tank remedies that
problem. Everytime I took a Special loaned to me out of my case I was ready
to play.

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From: bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Game in Dripping springs
Date: 4 Sep 1992 19:21:41 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu

If anyone is interested in playing paintball on September the 12th, please
leave me email.  The game is in dripping springs and will be played in
the afternoon.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Non-paint toys in Paintball games
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.003742.7189@cs.rose-hulman.edu> trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep9.203341.27768@cs.wisc.edu> harlan@oberon.cs.wisc.edu  
>(Harlan Harris) writes:
>>*perimiter. Anyway, someone tossed a grenade into the fort, and it blew  
>within                                                           ^^^^^^^
>>*a second, completely covering me and my codefender. (they won) 
>
>
>>* -Harlan Harris
>
>
>"Blew"?  It sounds as if this were an actual explosive.  The only paint  
>"grenades" I've seen are the "Squadbuster" type.  Looks to me like a water  
>balloon filled with paint.  Am I correct?  Are there others out there?  If  
>so, WOW!  That _would_ be fun!
>
>Todd

A company called "Strange Ordinance" has a black powder charged paint
grenade on the market.  It looks something like a military smoke
grenade.  It`s a waxed cardboard tube filled with paint, with the bursting
charge in a second tube in the middle of the first.  Remove the safety
cap, pull the igniter string to light it up, and you have 3-5 seconds
to get rid of it.  I've never seen one go off, but they look fun.

Steven Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com

Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: leif@ifm.liu.se (Leif Hedstrom)
Subject: Should I buy a Brute weapon?
Keywords: Brute, using, reliability
Organization: Dept of Physics, University of Linkoping
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:15:46 GMT

Hi all,

Just a short question: Does anyone have any experiences using the Brute?
I'm about to buy some new weapons, and I'm considering the pump action
version of the Brute. All comments are welcome!

Thanks!

-- Leif

P.s
   I might also buy a large quantity of G-balls, anyone know anything about
   them?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Black Balls
From: anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:58:24 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <76.2AB2C369@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney) writes:
> Hello All!
> Anyone out there using the black paintballs?  My partner bought a case but I haven't heard his thoughts on them yet.
> 
> My own are that it might be nice lobbing these little beauties because the opponent can't see where they are coming from if you have a quiet gun.
> 
> But can *you* see *them* going?

A couple guys on my team have been messing around with them, you can see them
going out pretty well, but not as well as the colored balls.  They seemed to
work okay, nothing special. Kind of a nice novelty item.

Eric Huber
Mankato State University
Law Enforcement Program

> 
> Ciao for Niao
> Todd Looney
> Silicon Valley's APPLE DUMPLING GANG Team!
> 
> 
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From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: PMI-3 winter question
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:29:34 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello Henry!

 HC> Knowing that the PMi-3 doesn't perform well in colder climates, what are
 HC> the viable solution to overcome this problem?  A friend of mine is
 HC> considering the PMI-3 as his first gun and with fall and winter coming up,
 HC> he wants to make sure it won't let him down.

A butt pack for the 20oz CO2 cylinder and maybe a Black Rain pre-stager for the air.  Gets all the liquid out prior to firing....

Todd

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground))
Subject: Re: A Discussion of Tactics
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:09:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
    When it comes time to bug out of some position, running is the way to

   While the above is a fairly adavnced discussion of tactical retreat,
also important is knowing when to bug out, before you are totally pinned.
Also, it's generally easier to retreat off of someone with a pump,
than a semi.

    On another subject, I have noticed that people in other areas
use alot more ammo than we seem to here in New Mexico. A really
heavy day would be 400 rnds of paint around here.
Why do you think you use more paint in other areas,
i.e. if you use more than 400 rnds of paint, why?
Which tactics do you use that are paint intensive, and
how well do they work?
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From: mjc5@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Cavotta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Paintball Gun Question
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:32:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)


	I am interested in purchasing a paintball gun, but am not as well
informed about PB guns as I am firearms.  If you have any experience or
technical insight you'd be willing to share with me, please drop me a line.
I'm looking to order one as soon as possible, so if you can respond soon
please do!

Thanks in advance!
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