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From: sebhis@dante.lbl.gov (Sarah Bretz)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: carbohydrate cravings
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Date: 21 Aug 1992 19:44:51 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
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In previous articles:
>>Speaking of cravings and favorite foods, I have terrific
>>cravings for carohydrates at night just before I go to bed.
>>I've been eating whole wheat bagels and breakfast ceral (non-fat
>>brands). Do you other folks also suffer from evening cravings for
>>carbs? Do you resist or give in to them? What do you eat when you
>>have a carbo craving?
>>
>
>I have the same problem.  I've found it very difficult not to give in.
>Like you, I've been snacking on non-fat and low-fat carb foods, which
>isn't always wise just before you go to bed.
>

I have this problem, too, and the cravings seem to coincide with
days that I lift weights.  I don't think I had suc 
before I started lifting.  I read somewhere that lifting depletes
your glycogen stores and so your body reacts by craving carbohydrates.
While it's fine to supply the body with the carbohydrates it
needs I think I end up craving (and eating) more than a reasonable
amount.  Does anyone have more information on this subject?
Does anyone know how to deal with these cravings (perhaps by eating
carbohydrates right after lifting)?.

Thanks,
   Sarah
From: cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Body Fat % measured...
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:16:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BsxH2q.2vE.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <4160010@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boucher@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Richard A Boucher Jr) writes:
>
>Can anyone recommend a place in the SF Bay Area to get one's body fat % 
>measured?  Preferably the underwater weight method(which I'm told is the
>most accurate).

I don't mean to pick on Richard, but I question the notion that
densitometry is necessarily more accurate than other method of body
composition determination.  For example, I have been told (by the
brochure Creative Health Products catalog) that anthropometry (e.g.
skinfold thickness calculations) is more accurate for lean
individuals.

A (scientific) review article on body composition determination stated
that there are proponents for each method (densitometry,
anthropometry, electrical resistance, and conductance) which claim
their choice is most accurate.  Unfortunately, densitometry is only
accurate to about 4 or 5 percentage points (even after adjusting for
residual lung volume), and the other methods are evaluated by their
ability to predict denisity (which can be directly measured) instead
of actual body composition.

The review did mention the use of NMR techniques to very accurately
determine body composition.  Presumably this technique is both
extremely accurate and expensive.

Ken
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:28:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <Aug.19.22.19.36.1992.7766@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:

>How much better are you are armwrestling now than you were at it last
>year?  Think you've improved enough that you could take me? :)

I'd rip your arm off and eat it like a chicken leg.  :-)

							-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cec@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charles Cunningham)
Subject: Re: HEART RATE, ETC.
Summary: how to calculate target heart rate
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:15:08 GMT

        THR = 60% to 85% of (220 - your age) in beats per minute

A better formula takes into account your rest pulse rate (which you
should avoid taking right after the alarm goes off).

        THR = RHR + 60% to 85% of (220 - RHR - your age) in BPM

where THR is target heart range, RHR is resting heart rate.

Note that these formulas are only statistical norms, and there is a
scatter of around 10%, so don't panic if your pulse is always too hi
or too low for the calculated range.

Clues that you are not working hard enough to be in your aerobic
range include not sweating.  Clues that you are working too hard
include red face, inability to talk comfortably during exercise, and
an increase in your RHR many hours after exercise.

By the way, I remember having seen at some point a different formula
for calculating target heart rates for men.  My recollection is
   

     THR = 60 - 85% of (205 - age/2)

and also

     THR = RHR + 60% to 85% of (205 - RHR - age/2).

I have not seen this formula in several years, but it may be valid.

Charles Cunningham
Aerobics Instructor

cec@llnl.gov
cec@leland.stanford.edu
cec@imager.llnl.gov
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Pyramids vs increasing weight, decreasing, etc.
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:11:09 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: wittmann@muskie.engr.wisc.edu


In article <Bt4usM.1L2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin) writes:
|> In <1992Aug15.192155.16485@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu writes:
|> 
|>           [...stuff deleted...]
|> 
|> >                                 ...  I was told by a track coach that
|> > 	a "balanced leg" can curl half of what it does on the exentions.
|> 
|> The percentage I've always read is that the hamstring should be able to do
|> 80% of the quads if you don't want any problems in sport participation.  I
|> once read an article (soccer I believe) where the author recommended that
|> the athlete develop the hamstrings to 100% of the quadriceps!!
|> 

That's more along the line of my own experience.  I can leg curl about 80% of
what use for extensions and always considered my hamstings to be sub-par.

The other thing that I've noticed is that weights I can do vary drastically
from one machine to the next.  So how does one compare?

Art
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: donofrio@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Frank D'onofrio)
Subject: favourite foods
Organization: Space Astrophysics Laboratory, ISTS, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 18:25:13 GMT


Somebody asked if others get carb cravings. Geez, do I ever! I always
get them at about midnight. If I go to bed at, say, 11, and don't have
anything to eat,then I wake up famished at 3 a.m.. I satisfy my craving
with 4 slices of toast and a banana. When I get ready to go to work at
about 8 a.m., I'm not hungry and so I skip breakfast. Luckily, I don't
feel low in energy and this situation disappears once the school year
starts.

Frank
The Bocca Demon
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: RI's Flattest Century Info Request
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:32:30 GMT

>From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
>Subject: RI's Flattest Century Info Request
>
>I have been inquiring around for information on the New England flattest
>centry ride.  Does any one know when this ride is this year (should be some
>time in September) and also have a contact number for me.  Thanks.

"The Flattest Century in the East" is on September 13, and starts at
Tiverton High School, in Tiverton RI. for more information, write to
the Narragansett Bay Wheelmen (i'll try to remember to post the address
tomorrow).

i think it costs $18 for NBW members and $21 for nonmembers, registration
is limited to 1500, and i hear it fills up early.
i also hear it isn't so flat! ;-)

Janice"i'm doing it!"G :-)

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From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:55:07 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <18AUG199208445325@zeus.tamu.edu> chaos@zeus.tamu.edu (Kimberly Diane Faircloth) writes:
>Even though you might not burn a good amount of fat in 20+ minutes,
>your muscles are producing fat-burning enzymes, that, after a regular,
>steady schedule of exercise, will aid in utilizing the body fat and 
>daily consumed fat for energy.  And you don't have to kill yourself
>exercising to get these results.

This group has been through 2 sessions of this already.
_Biochemsitry_ (Lehninger, 1975) states that at rest, 85-90% of muscle
metabolism is of fats.  No evidence contradicting this has been
presented, and no evidence of higher % fat metabolism *at rest* 
in aerobically trained people has been found, either.

None of this means that regular mild aerobic exercise is not a good
approach to losing weight.  It seems to be one of the best.

-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
From: gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Advice sought on excerise machines
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:20:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: onion.GERRY.92Aug18172020
Reply-To: gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU

My SO and I are going to purchase an excersize machine, though we have
not yet decided on the type or the brand.  The types in question are
steppers with arms or x-country skiers.  Which machine gives a better
overall toning and cardiovascular workout?  Which brands and models
are best?  

Please reply by email and I will summarize.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson)
Subject: Re: Aerobics and Bodybuilding
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:43:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.235255.3765@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Virgilio Velasco writes:

* 	I can think of a few reasons for using the treadmill.  One:
* variety, since always running outdoors can get tiresome for some people.

How much variety can you get on a treadmill?
Oh I see, point it towards the door, 
point it towards the wall,
point it towards the window.

Running outdoors gives you many possible routes,
with different scenery along the way.

I have three opinions about running on treadmills:
1. boring, 2. boring, and 3. boring.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: RI's Flattest Century Info Request
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:27:26 GMT

geeze i did it again (meant to reply to rec.bicycles, not here)
sorry guys, i think i left my brain on vacation...

jg
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Pyramids vs increasing weight, decreasing, etc
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:43:35 GMT

In article <9208171219.AA21038@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
>>From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
>>        Leg extention, the machine maxes out at 150(?) a weight that
>>        I can do 35 reps with and only get bored.   If I try the same
>>        weight with one leg, I can do 15-20 per set, but it bruises my
>>        shins terribly.   I have eliminated this exercise from my workout,
>>        as it seems pointless.
>
>Jim, not sure why it bruises your shins (ouch) but i have a suggestion!
>how about trying this method for adding weight to a maxed out machine...
>try placing a weight plate on the pin of the leg extension machine...
>turn the weight sideways so it is on end, as if you would load it onto
>a bar, but instead place it on the pin. depending on the machine, you
>might want to use a second pin for the plate, added above the pin
>placed at 150 (i.e., if the pin for 150 is down so low that the plate
>hits the floor).
>
>Janice
>

I carry a towel around the gym.  I sweat like crazy, always have,
always will.  But the towel is good for wrapping around offending
parts of machines that are not well padded with high-density foam.
Try that.  If that fails, try a bigger towel.

Another thing (that some gym owners may frown upon) that helps is
having a training partner (or future partner, or complete stranger)
stand on the stack.  It's not as convenient, but it's a conversation
starter, and partners come in a wide ranger of weights.

Nautilus machines, for what it's worth, are very well constructed
(even though lots of places let the bearings wear out!!!!  Do 
you HEAR ME, GYM OWNERS!?!???).  My problem with leg extension
machines of all brands is that I also max them out and tend to
use Nautilus with a full stack with one leg at a time.  I can get
about 10-15 out of them, but with someone standing on the stack,
it's not only a better workout, but I like the correct form
that the symmetry encourages.  Generally, the Nautilus models
can stand the stress easily.  Besides, there's a limit to how
many of those little plates you can stick on, or that most
gyms have (that seem to be made for this purpose).  Regular
plates don't stay on.  Now, you can wedge a dumbbell in there
most of the time, but my gym has the freeweights on a different
floor.

GMS
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Met-Rx
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 14 AUG 92 11:33:38    


woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside) writes...
> 
>	I was wondering what happens once you've finished using Met-Rx?
>Provided the stuff worked for you (lower body fat, increased mass), what
>happens when you go back to eating regular food?  I'm making the asumption
>that regular food means low fat, high carb, medium protein, etc., etc.
>Do you keep the gains you made on Met-Rx?  I guess I was comparing it to
>people going on, say, Slim Fast for example, and they loose weight but
>immediately gain it back when they quit using it.

I suspect that the Slim-Fast problems have more to do with people using
it not learning proper eating habits while using it, and relying entirely
on the product to do their work for them.  It works largely because
it provides conveniently measured nutrients, and makes cheating very
obvious.  Measuring food portions by eye leaves a lot of margin for error,
and determining accurately what's in what you're eating is usually 
non-trivial unless you really work at reading labels and such.

Of course if you go back to doing what you were doing before you get the same 
results you were getting before.

In my opinion, the trick to using meal replacements is to establish healthy
eating habits *first*, and then use the replacements (if desired) specifically 
to replace well-established components of your existing nutritional scheme
(ex: someone might replace their 200 calorie breakfast with a 130 cal 
Slim-Fast shake and a 70 Cal fruit portion).   Then, when they go off the
replacement plan, they go back to the less convenient but still well
determined caloric and nutritional composition.

							kind regards,

							todd
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The performance tables
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:28:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <Aug.14.07.00.12.1992.473@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:

>Oh, c'mon Adam, you love being picked on.  Confess.

Well, sometimes.

>> I'm benching 315 for 2 perfect reps on my 4th set.  I'll estimate my one-rep
>> maximum (with no pre-exhausting sets) to be about 330.  This is a pretty safe
>> guess.
>
>That's great for your bodyweight.  How are your arms doing?  I'm using
>2" diameter 75-pound dumbbells for my concentration curls now.  I'm
>making progress towards 18" arms and a 50" chest, it looks like
>both are possible goals.

Well, I'm curling 115x5.  I don't do concentration curls until the end of
my workout, but I'll try some heavy ones to see how I do.  My arms
are 15", but with very little fat on my arms.  They are VERY vascular.  I
have lots of veins.  How about you? (Be honest, now)

>Btw, will you be competing in the arm-wrestling tourney at the
>Trenton State Fair again this year?  They sent me a flyer (I guess
>they were impressed with how quickly I went 0-2 last year).  Also,
>I'm still looking for that arm-wrestling magazine subscription
>information (from what I recall, it tends to have lots of good
>stuff on forearm training).  You might want to post it, since
>I'm sure others would be interested, too.

I'm up in Boston right now, and the tournament is today.  I will post the
info as soon as I get home.  Hey, I was 0 for 2 also, but remember, they
were mostly professionals.

							-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Reducing External Obliques
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: misc
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:38:10 GMT

In article <AGRAWAL.92Aug18190515@lipari.usc.edu> agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal) writes:
>
>My external obliques exist and they look ugly. Right now I am not sure
>that they are muscle or fat... They seem to be muscle because the
>shape is approximately right... On the other hand the region is pretty
>soft (I don't work them... God forbid!!) I did work on them about 6
>years ago when I was stupid and ignorant... 

well, first of all, let me say that this may end up being quite the
discussion, but i will proffer some commentary.  i do not agree with you
that one should NOT work obliques.  i do, weekly.  
but not for size.  low weights, high reps keep them taut, 
which should be the goal of a bodybuilder. use high
weights, and they will grow (which isn't desirable -- given the current
aesthetic standard in bodybuilding).  so it's a question of how one
approaches the oblique question, not the act of exercising them.

>Anyway, is there any way of figuring out whether some piece of tissue
>is fat or muscle and if it is indeed muscle how do I get rid of it? Is
>there a muscle equivalent of liposuction?

you may very well have interstitial fat in your obliques, much the way
cheap steak does, but this can be reduced substantially with
aerobics.  your obliques may be visible, but soft, at this point, but
after an aerobics program, you should notice a hardness and a smaller
size, due to the fat reduction.

then, of course, there is the genetics issue.  if you have a rich
gaspari blockiness, there is nothing you can do, short of overdeveloping
your shoulders, chest and back to give the illusion of a thin waist.  if
you are fortunate enough to have a bob paris physique, then i would think
that your obliques, if exercised "properly," ultimately 
should not be too much of an issue.

these comments will probably generate other commentary -- a clear solution
should evolve after the fallout settles!  :)

ciao,
poo
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Pyramids vs increasing weight, decreasing, etc
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:20:44 GMT

>From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
>        Leg extention, the machine maxes out at 150(?) a weight that
>        I can do 35 reps with and only get bored.   If I try the same
>        weight with one leg, I can do 15-20 per set, but it bruises my
>        shins terribly.   I have eliminated this exercise from my workout,
>        as it seems pointless.

Jim, not sure why it bruises your shins (ouch) but i have a suggestion!
how about trying this method for adding weight to a maxed out machine...
try placing a weight plate on the pin of the leg extension machine...
turn the weight sideways so it is on end, as if you would load it onto
a bar, but instead place it on the pin. depending on the machine, you
might want to use a second pin for the plate, added above the pin
placed at 150 (i.e., if the pin for 150 is down so low that the plate
hits the floor).

Janice

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: h2n5451@sigma.tamu.edu (NOBOA, HOMERO L.)
Subject: Gymnastics and growing up 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:18:00 GMT


I'm a proud father of two kids. She is 10 and he is 7 almost 8. They 
started last year in gymnastics and mostly Felipe (my boy) is quite good
at it. We like the sport and I would like they to continue in it, but I
got a terrible doubt: My sister made me notice all gymnastics athetes are 
short, and she assured me that the constant jumping and landing 
damages the growing cartilages in the long bones.

Does anybody knows if my sister's assertion is true or if tall athetes 
just cannot do in gymnastics and that's the reason why only the short 
ones are in the bussisnes?

Any comment shall be appreciated.


Homero
From: kennyl@Sun.COM (Kenny Lopez - Silicon Valley EDA District Sales Rep)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Need Gym in New Orleans
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:23:45 GMT
Reply-To: kennyl@Sun.COM (Kenny Lopez - Silicon Valley EDA District Sales Rep)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bonehead1.west.sun.com

I will be in New Orleans the week of 8/24th. Can anyone recommend
a gym close to the Sheraton New Orleans?

Thanks, 

Kenny
From: brian@tyr.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: My Brush With Greatness
Keywords: He's My Cousin
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:42:16 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


     I just got the October issue of Muscle & Fitness and freaked because
my cousin has a picture in the letters section.  His name is Chris Rock
and I guess it was his wife that wrote a letter.  I haven't seen Chris
for a few years because he's been in the Marines.  You should check out
his picture.  He's got a better body than the usual old farts they have
in there.

					Brian Ackerson
					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu
From: gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Best thing to do
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:23:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <#g+y3ag@rpi.edu>, willic6@vccsouth16.its.rpi.edu (Charles Williams)
writes:
>What is the best thing to do to remove excess fat from the abdominal area?
>I've heard that situps do not do the trick... I'd prefer a method that does
>not require weights, not going to a gym.
>
>Thanks
>
DIET!!!!!!!

George