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From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:GREENWOOD,KATHY)
Subject: Re: Muzzle Training?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:34:00 GMT

In article <21020152@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, shaw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Shaw Moldauer) writes...
>In rec.pets.dogs, kika.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
> 
>> After losing 3 remote controls, 1 CD, 1.5 photo albums, 6 text
>> books, several plants, atleast a dozen magazines, and a variety
>> of other objects around the house, I decided to muzzle our
>> 7 month old black lab while we are away for *any* period of
>> time.   My question is... can dogs *learn* from having a muzzle?
>> I'm hoping that after a few months of learning that he cannot
>> chew while left alone, that eventually we can remove the 
>> muzzle and he'd act as though he still had one on..  Is this
>> not realistic?
>	For really bad cases of the eats, you can take the last
>thing they ate, place it in their mouth, and tape it in with duct
>tape.  A couple wraps should do it.  They will spend all their time
>removing the tape until its gone, and will never eat that again.  After
>a couple-three episodes, they won't eat anything.  We have three cattle
>dogs, one of them liked shoes in a previous life and was "curred" this
>way.
>					-Shaw
I hope you guys aren't serious!  Have you ever heard of crate training??
If you leave a dog alone with a muzzle on and it vomits, it could die.  I 
work at a vet clinic and we never ever leave a dog alone with a muzzle on, 
even if it's a viscious dog.  There must be some good reason for that!  How
about obedience training your dogs and treating them a bit more humanely!

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
From: gertsch@presto.ig.com (Constance Gertsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: collie
Keywords: collie, rescue society
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:03:04 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics Inc., Mtn. View, Ca.


I am interested in getting a collie for a second dog.  I have a yellow
lab.  I saw a short haired collie at an obedience class.  Is this a
rough or a smooth coat collie?  Are there any rescue societies for
collies?

Thanks! 
ccg
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Bichon Frise Question
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:35:18 GMT

In article <l9sd2bINNf89@news.bbn.com> ryuen@BBN.COM (Ray Yuen) writes:
>
>
>  I am the new, proud owner of a 10 week old Bichon Frise, and I was
>told by the private breeder from whom I bought my dog that I should
>periodically yank out the fur that grows around the ear canal.  The
>reason behind this is to prevent infections from developing in the ears.
>
We have a breed very similar to a Bichon Frise -- a Havanese.  We were
told the same thing.  What I do is flop the ear up so the canal is
visible and pull the hairs out with my fingers.  When I have them
extended out of the ear canal, I cut them with a small, round-nose
scissors.  This is an important part of grooming because as the hairs
grow, they get all curled around in the ear and cause infection.  I do
this about every two weeks.

>Also, a side question.  Is it safe to give my little Cassie a bath at
>her young age?  I love her very much, but she has such a strong doggie
>odor.
>
We had to give Max a bath at 12 weeks.  He was out helping "dad" cut
the lawn and actually turned green.  A couple of pointers when bathing
your dog......

 1.  Put a drop of mineral oil in their eyes.

 2.  Put a cotton ball in each ear.

 3.  Thoroughly brush them before bathing.  If there are any mats,
     they will only tighten when wet.

 4.  Use a gentle shampoo formulated for puppies.

 5.  Don't dry your dog by rubbing with a towel; pat dry instead.  This
     will prevent mats.

 6.  Blowdry on a low speed.  When they're really young, it's 
     important to be sure they are thoroughly dry.

These instructions are specific to Bichon-types breeds because of 
their coat type.  It is also important to brush them frequently.
Their coat tends to mat easily around the joints and behind the ears
(basically where they have moving parts).  

An easy way to get them used to their grooming sessions is to start
now by gently holding them in your lap, with your arm across their
chest and touching every part of their body, including paws, ears,
teeth, etc.  If they struggle, put a wee bit of pressure on their 
chest with your arm and say "Easy" or something.  When they still, 
give them tons of praise.  If you do this every day, for just a few
minutes at a time, grooming  will be so much easier.  When I do this
with Max, I always wait for him to be still and looking at me before
I end the session.

We just got Max back from the groomers yesterday, and she didn't want
to give him back.  She said he was the easiest dog she had ever
groomed in her life.  He was calm as could be.  

Congratulations on your new pup.  May you have many years of happiness
together.

schalene
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:41:07 GMT

In <1992Aug28.182524.5775@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>In article <2A9BBA3C.4012@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
>writes:
>>
>>How about health certificates as well?  EG, labs would also have the
>>OFA and CERF or Wind-Morgan numbers.
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>What is a Wind-Morgan #?

Wind-Morgan is a program put together by two vets (Wind and Morgan, of
course) out at UC Davis.  They offer complete X-rays (hips, elbows,
etc) and rate the dogs pass/fail.  For a minimal sum, they'll forward
the x-rays to OFA for an OFA rating (and certification if your dog is
over two).  The nice thing about W-M, in my opinion, is that they're
an open registry, whereax OFA is closed.  They've only been at this
for a few years, so OFA is much more common than W-M, but it's been
progressing.  I don't know about other breeds, but I'm beginning to
see more Labs listed with W-M numbers in the Labrador Quarterly.

Wind Morgan sets up clinics in other areas of the country if enough
people request it.  There is a retriever club out in Albuquerque that
is setting up one such clinic in a few months, there are probably
others.

I don't have a phone number, but can probably find it and post it
later if people are interested.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all eight parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

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From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: Dogs and swimming - oh no !! 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:30:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
> I was out swimming over my head and here she comes a-swimming toward
> me.  She gets to me and puts her paws on my shoulders and down I
> go over my head.  I surface and she pushes me down again.  I think -
> MAN I could drown out here.  I couldn't swim away because she is
> faster.  I couldn't keep my head above water because she was resting
> on me.  I tried holding her paws but that pushed me under water too.

My dogs don't swim, but I feel fairly sure that if they did this, I could
say "NO" (like I meant it!) and they'd desist.  This isn't meant to be
a flame, but, well, it's going to sound like one, well, maybe this is
meant to be a flame...

Was your dog totally out of control?? Doesn't she know what "NO" means??

-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 19:49:33 CDT
From: Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: mailmen and dogs

>Look at it from a dogs point of view.  Every day this stranger comes to
>the front door -- an intrusion on his "turf".  So, he lets out a warning
>bark and guess what, the intruder goes away.  He has "won" this round.
>Day after day this happens, reinforcing in the dogs mind that the mailman
>is an intruder, doesn't belong on the property, and is easily scared away.
>It is not hard to see how this could escalate into a bad situation.
>It shouldn't be too hard to get your dogs on good terms with the
>mail and delivery people.

Well, of course I agree with this ethically, and have also figured out
that it gives my dog an ego boost when his barking 'scares the intruder
away'.  However, at least in our case, we intentionally built our 6'
fence with the mailbox on the OUTSIDE so no one has to come INSIDE
our fence.  In fact, whenever we are not home, the fence is locked.
It is also locked when we are home, and the doors are open and the dog
is roaming the property.

Anyway, the point is, I don't WANT our dog to get social with strangers,
and I want him to bark like hell when he thinks someone is trying to
get inside our property.
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From: trish@isl.Stanford.EDU (Patricia Halloran)
Subject: Re: FTP site for FAQ?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:35:42 GMT

In article <BtvFIu.DIF@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes:
>Can anybody tell me where to get the FAQ?  I've read it, but I'm going
>home this weekend and need a hard copy.  Since I've left the house, my
>parents are having a real problem with my husky thinking that he's 
>dominant..... I'm going home this weekend and will need it before then.
>-Lisa
>with a couple of very stubborn Huskys

email to:  mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with

send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/introduction
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send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/AKC-titles
send usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/misc1
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in the body of the message (leave the subject line empty).  If you
don't want all of them, include only the lines of the ones you want.
You do have to repeat the path information for each file.
From: daveh@frackit.UUCP (Dave Hultberg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DOG WITH CANCER
Summary: Dogs and Cancer
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:52:36 GMT
Organization: Esoteric Tribble Factory, Harrisburg, PA

In article <1992Aug19.151422.11122@fns-nc1.fns.com>,  writes:
> 
> Recently my 7 years old Golden has been diagnosed with limpho-sarcoma.  The
> prognosis is quite gloomy: 2-to-4 months without treatment, or 6-to-12 months
> with chemotherapy treatment (provided that the dog reacts well to it).
> 
> Now I am facing a dilemma -- to treat or not to treat?

I have lost two Golden Retrievers to cancer.  The first, a male was
diagnosed with limphosarcomo when we took him in for enlarged tonsils. 
The Vet was very upfront in telling me that the eventual outcome was not
good.  Chemotherapy has not proved very successful for dogs.  The
question he posed to us, was one of quality of life.  Aggressive
chemotherapy would prolong his life the longest, but as you have
discovered, the dog is pretty miserable.  The second option was a milder
chemo regimen.  It wouldn't prolong the dog's life as long, but he would
be a lot happier during the time he had left.  The third option, which
we rejected immediately, was to have the dog put down to save $$$.  We
decided to go with the second option, with the understanding that if he
started to suffer from the cancer, we wouldn't allow that to continue. 
We were lucky in that he lived another nine months of quality time.  The
second was our first female, who we lost to massive cancer throughout
her body, earlier this year.  In her case, it was too late for
chemotherapy to even prolong her life.  

Our choice may or may not be appropriate for you.  In our case, we
agreed with the vet that prolonging life at the cost of making the dog
suffer was not what we wanted.  I wish you luck with whatever option you
select.  My heart goes out to you, because I know exactly what you are
going through.  Dave


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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Cancer and specific breeds?
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco)

DPE>I ran into a new Bernese Mountain Dog owner last night and
DPE>we talked about the breed and among other things, the breed's
DPE>high rate of cancer (which I knew nothing about). Apparently,
DPE>one of the Packards (of HP fame) is even doing (or funding) a
DPE>study regarding this particular breed's aptness for cancer
DPE>related deaths.

DPE>The first question that came to mind: is there any articles or
DPE>books about cancers that are common among dogs?

DPE>Second, is it assumed to be a hereditary disorder? Are some
DPE>breeds more prone than others?

Yes, cancer is believed to be hereditary in dogs and humans. Cancer is
the number on killer of Boxers. Texas A & M has a great Onocolgy Dept.
that has done studies on this and they also have a pretty good success
rate in treating cancer in dogs, if it is caught earlier enough.
If you are looking for a dog without some type of hereditary disorder,
your going to be out of luck. They all have something be it, cancer,
PRA, Hip Dysplasia, Heart Problems etc..although some are not fatal they
are all a problem that most breeders are trying to eradicate from the
breeds they have. In other words you would not breed a PRA carrier to
another PRA carrier, if you did you would probably end up with blind
dogs by the time they were 5. Same with Boxers and cancer, you try to
breed to a line that has not had any cancer, heart problems, stomach, or
hips..it is a never ending battle. This is why breeding should be left
to those who know what they are doing and not someone who wants to breed
Poopsie because she is so cute!
Getting off my soapbox now!<G>

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
---
 . OLX 2.1 . As I said before, I never repeat myself.
                                                                                                                           
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Training vs. gentics (was Re: The Great Lab Debate)
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:41:31 GMT

In article <9208251351.AA00620@alw.nih.gov>
    young@alw.nih.gov (Jeff Young) writes:
 
>Any competition level dog requires tremendous training.  Because I train
>pointers, it is my opinion that it is more difficult to train a pointing dog than
>it is to train a retriever.  I must say that a 200 yard directed retrieve is a
>marvelous sight and that I have never trained a dog to do one.  I have
>never dragged coon skins all over the woods in the middle of the night.
>I have aided in the training of many dogs:  retrievers, flushers, pointers
>and although I have my own pride bias, I would be more careful in using
>blanket statements like those above.
 
The point of the statement was as a comparison of a "finished dog" of
the various types of hunting breeds: ie.  how much of it is
"intinctive" (for lack of a better word) and how much is must be
trained?  From what I have read about hounds (since my experiance with
them is very limited), even one that has very little training, but has
a large measure of genetic material required to be a good hunter will
still be a good hunting dog.  The same cannot be said of retrievers.
Even San Jaquin Honcho (sp?) would have been worthless in a duck blind
without training.  Again, from what I have read, pointers are
somewhere between.  I did not mean to imply that training is not
required for hounds (or pointers); it most certainly is.  As you say,
to train any competition level dog does require a tremendous about of
training.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 7 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
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From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Are dogs color blind?
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:55:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.183908.29977@newshost.lanl.gov>, srlee@beta.lanl.gov 
(Stephen R Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.173807.20243@newshost.lanl.gov> 
davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons) writes:

>>Does anyone have any info (it needn't be as good as the above, but it
>>would be nice ;-)) on the accuracy of canine night vision?  [remainder
deleted]
>
>This is interesting.  It has always been my understanding that dogs have
>superior vision at night (superior to ours).  [stuff deleted]
>My understanding is that one reason they do not perceive
>colors as sharply is because the have more of the "other" (rods versus cones
>I suppose, I can never remember which is which) types of cells that are
>better for night vision.  Therefore, they pay for their superior night
>vision by a reduction in being able to perceive details and color.

I have only anecdotal evidence to support Stephen Lee's remarks; I took my Lab
up to Lake Ontario last night at 9 p.m., there was no moon, I could barely see,
and he did a great job of retrieving the bumper I flung way out into the dark
void.  I'm sure he listened for the bumper to hit the water, but he also has to
have considerably good night vision to be able to find it floating in the surf. 
Plus, to get down to the lakeshore, we have to clamber down this very steep,
rocky, and heavily vegatated slope, and he was way ahead of me and my
flashlight beam going down and up.  What a guy.  We had fun.

Katie
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Donating Pups to Auctions
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:24:25 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Aug27.131937.5489@cas.org> <16850898C.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
Keywords: 

In article <16850898C.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris
Barnes) writes:
>BTW:  how do you (cindy & liza) feel about donating pups to organization
>like DU (ducks unlimited) to sell at auction?

Well, Chris, you didn't ask for my opinion...but that's never stopped me
before! SO..

The Newfoundland Club of America (parent club) Ethics Guide states that any
NCA member found donating a puppy to an auction will face disciplinary action,
up to and including explusion from the club. 

As you can see, we Newfy people feel strongly that such action is against the
best interest of the dog - and the breed - and is lumped right in with selling
to brokers, wholesalers and pet shops. Obviously, there is no difference
between auctions and other 3rd-party sales of puppies, except that the
"seller" receives no money in the transaction (tax deduction and "free"
publicity instead). 

IMHO, this is a bad way to treat a puppy.

**********************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands

-- 

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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:57:56 GMT

In article <winders-260892175415@130.43.4.71>
    winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:
 
>> I would imagine that a set of requirements would have to be developed
>> for each breed (or at least each breed type).  But I don't think
>> that would be such a big deal.  After all, that's what breed clubs
>> are for.
 
>What do you do for the toy breeds? They were not bred to do work, they
>were bred to be companions. What about Dobermans? Require them to get a
>Schutzund 1 title? The Doberman Breed Club wants nothing to do with bite
>work. I don't see this idea working irrespective of the AKC goals...
 
To answer these questions, see the above paragraph (which you included
in your post).  The correct answer may be that some breeds wouldn't
have any requirements past those of simple conformation to their breed
standards.  I have no intention of trying to state what requirements
could/should be used for breeds other than for the retrievers.  And
I think it would be wrong for me to try.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 7 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Akitas
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:19:27 GMT


Bear = Kuma (COO-ma) in Japanese.  One of the most popular names for male
Akitas.
From: martin@biostat.washington.edu (Don Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Puppy ID collars
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:53:40 GMT
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.

In article <1992Aug27.211503.12117@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.020250.11373@oz.plymouth.edu> michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark) writes:
>>We are expecting a litter of little germans here on September 16th (YAY)
>>and I remember back about 10 years ago when I had my last litter, I
>>had trouble keeping track of who's puppy was who's etc...I have heard
>>about some little ID collars you can buy, they come in different

For light colored dogs try food colors. They wash off
without too much trouble and are harmless.

We color code our dogs for the dog sitter this way.

Don Martin
Widdershins Old English Sheepdogs
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