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From: sonneveld@research.ptt.nl (Rolf E. Sonneveld)
Subject: NFS questions on mounted filesystems and security
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:03:30 GMT

        Hi, all

        After experimenting with NFS for a while there are  a  couple
        of questions left unanswered. I hope you can help me to  find
        the answers on the following questions:

        1. Apart from the SHOW DEV NFS, is there a way  to  see  what
           filesystems are mounted on remote systems?

        2. What does the /SEMANTICS=(NOVMS_ACCESS_CHECK) qualifier do
           when  supplied with the NFSMOUNT command? I know what's on
           page  6-5  of the manual. But without this semantic quali-
           fier  I  have  no  access to directories I own on the unix
           system  and which are nonaccessible to the world. It looks
           like  the  NFS  RPC  query  on the target unix system runs
           under  a username which has no access to such a directory.
           What danger is in using this sematic??

        3. In relation with the first question: where does the client
           save  it's information on mounted filesystems, in order to
           survive  a reboot? Or is the information in NFS_MOUNT*.COM
           used to survive such a reboot?

        4. Do  I  *really* need to create this NFS_MOUNT*.COM command
           procedures, or is there a Unix-like fstab approach?

        Hope you can help,

        Thanks in advance,

        Rolf E. Sonneveld
        PTT Research
        The Netherlands

	R.E.Sonneveld@research.ptt.nl
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re: RMTALLOC leads to MOUNT-F-UNSAFE, drive unsafe
From: jms@carat.arizona.edu (A virtually vegetal non-entity)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 15:33 MST  
Reply-To: jms@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
X-Lunar-Date: 5 days, 10 hours, 5 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50A   

In article <2FC0406309NOV92184219@TGV.COM>, PACK@UARS.ACD.UCAR.EDU writes...
>but when I do a "Mount/foreign", I always get 
> 
>  %MOUNT-F-UNSAFE, drive unsafe
> 

As part of TGV's new licensing strategy, they are enforcing not only
an unmodified VAX/VMS, but also any state or local regulations regarding
affected components.  As you know, Boulder has long had the "Drive Safe"
campaign, accompanied by strong state legislation regarding seat belts. 
Multinet is detecting this (your timezone tipped them off), and you will
be unable to make your "drive safe" until you put a seat belt on it.

The fact that you are claiming to be a "/foreign-er" does not confuse it,
for as you know, all are required to abide.  However, if you
do a "mount/foreign=diplomat," this restriction is lifted.

Also, I believe that a new feature of Multinet 3.2 will require
Bell-approved safety helmets on all operators.  

Joel M Snyder, 1103 E Spring Street, Tucson, AZ, 85719 
Phone: 602.882.4094 (voice) .4095 (FAX) .4093 (data)
BITNET: jms@Arizona  Internet: jms@arizona.edu  SPAN: 47541::telcom::jms
Yow!  Is my fallout shelter termite proof?
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: RE: RMTALLOC leads to MOUNT-F-UNSAFE, drive unsafe
From: busma@TGV.COM
Date: 09 NOV 92 18:42:27 GMT
Organization: The INFO-MULTINET Community
X-Gateway-Source-Info: INTERNET
X-Return-path: <info-multinet-relay@TGV.COM>
X-RFC822-From:    busma @ TGV.COM (Jeffrey D. Busma)

 
>	Try this:
>
>		$ RSHELL hostname "/etc/rmt"
>		I5
>		1
>

	Oops, should be 

		$ RSHELL hostname "/etc/rmt"
		O/dev/rmt1
		2
		I5
		1
  
					Jeff
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re: Lingering processes - possible efficency improvement?
From: adelman@TGV.COM
Date: 07 NOV 92 20:36:43 GMT
Organization: The INFO-MULTINET Community
X-Gateway-Source-Info: INTERNET
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X-RFC822-From:     adelman (Kenneth Adelman) @ TGV.COM

> We're running MULTINET on a burdened vax 11/780 and any kind
> of performance improvement would be of help.

> In a future release of multinet would it be possible to have
> the processes created to service SMTP and FINGER (and maybe others?)
> linger for a short time like FAL connections do for DECNET?

    One of the differences between MultiNet servers and DECnet servers
is that most MultiNet servers aren't started with a DCL behind them
and hence avoid the extra overhead of running LOGINOUT and
initializing DCL.  We would need to do this to reuse processes the
way DECnet does.  DECnet already created processes with DCL, so it was
no big deal to reuse them, but reusing them in MultiNet would make
them substantially more expensive to create in the first place and not
result in significant gains later.

							Ken
From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re:  CALL FOR BETA TESTERS
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:46:22 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <2FC0152F04NOV92202230@TGV.COM>, adelman@TGV.COM writes:
> 
>     * Netware/IPX protocol stack now included in the basic MULTINET
>       product. NETWARE file service will be offered as a layered product
>       released slightly after MultiNet V3.2 is distributed.
> 
	Will this cause any conflict with other IPX implementations running
on the same system. We use TES from Interconnections on the same system as
Multinet runs on, and TES has its own SPX/IPX drivers for terminal emulation.

	The NETWARE file services LP sounds very interesting, any time
frame for its release ( the latest I heard on the Pathworks version of this
is Spring/93 ).

-- 
========================================================================
Malcolm Dunnett    Malaspina College         Email: dunnett@mala.bc.ca
Computer Services  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA        Tel: (604)755-8738
X-Gateway-Source-Info: INTERNET
Date: 09 NOV 92 00:39:58 GMT
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
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X-RFC822-From: Ned Freed <NED@INNOSOFT.COM>
From: Ned Freed <NED@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject: Re: Lingering processes - possible efficency improvement?
X-VMS-To: IN%"jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu"
X-VMS-Cc: IN%"info-multinet@tgv.com"
Organization: The INFO-MULTINET Community

We have been considering the implementation of just such a process-reuse
facility for the next release of PMDF. I'm making no promises, but it is
something we're definitely going to consider. Since PMDF already maintains
a process pool via the process symbiont this is easier to do than you migh
think.

				Ned

P.S. Nevertheless, the comment about replacing the 780 with a workstation
     is well taken. A factor of 30 improvement in performance while cutting
     costs dramatically is nothing to be sneered at.
X-Gateway-Source-Info: INTERNET
Date: 05 NOV 92 18:28:19 GMT
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
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X-RFC822-From: valandil!mal@melkor.uucp (Michael A Leo)
From: valandil!mal@melkor.uucp
Subject: X or TCP/IP over serial lines
Organization: The INFO-MULTINET Community


Hi,

  We need to connect remote PCs to our servers
via modems and packet networks.  These PCs need
to be X-servers for our application.

  I think I can use SLIP or PPP for the modem 
connections.  Is there anything better?

  The packet networks our customers have are 
a different story.  This nasty little beasties
sometimes don't support 8 bit connections!

  Is there a way to tunnel X or TCP/IP though
a 7 bit connection?

  Does anyone know of a solution that can 
efficiently deal with both these problems?

Thanks,

Mike Leo
mike.leo@adc.com

NOTE!!  Please do not use the "reply" function
        in your mailer, as my header is hopelessly
        garbled.

Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
From: hps@kaua.jach.hawaii.edu (Henry Stilmack)
Subject: Re: Alternate UIC for MULTINET_SERVER?
Organization: UK/Canada/Netherlands Joint Astronomy Centre
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:26:30 GMT

Thanks to all who responded to my question - we wound up using a process in the
correct group which writes to a mailbox that the MultiNet-spawned server then
reads.

Thanks to:
ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake)
adelman@TGV.COM (Kenneth Adelman)
"Comet" <COMET@us.oracle.com>
robinson@porter.geo.brown.edu (Darrin Robinson)

and anyone I missed...
-- 
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Henry Stilmack                               )  
Computing Systems Manager                    )  "Haven't you heard,
UK/Netherlands/Canada Joint Astronomy Centre )   it's a battle of words -
660 N. A'ohoku Place, Hilo, HI 96720         )   and most of them are lies..."
hps@jach.Hawaii.Edu       808-969-6546       )    
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re: debugging ACCVIO in server process
From: adelman@TGV.COM
Date: 07 NOV 92 20:36:40 GMT
Organization: The INFO-MULTINET Community
X-Gateway-Source-Info: INTERNET
X-Return-path: <info-multinet-relay@TGV.COM>
X-RFC822-From:     adelman (Kenneth Adelman) @ TGV.COM

> Anyone have any hints on debugging server processes?	We have a NNTP
> server that crashes a few times a day with an ACCVIO. [ANUNEWS 6.1B5,
> Multinet 3.1B, VMS 5.4].

> What would be ideal is an image dump of the NNTP server ....	that way
> I don't have to run debugger sessions all day waiting for that "killer
> news article".   I *did* generate a symbol table when the NNTP server
> was linked, so interpreting the dump should be no problem.

> A look through MULTINET CONFIG/SERVER doesn't show a way to set the
> "image dump" flag on server process startup, however.   Is there a way?

    No way to do it. One thing you could do is to essentially write
your 'own' MULTINET_SERVER to accept connections and fire up the
server process; or even write a single threaded server that did its
own accept()s and you could run it in your process context /DEBUG.

							Ken
From: jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Lingering processes - possible efficency improvement?
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:59:58 GMT

We're running MULTINET on a burdened vax 11/780 and any kind
of performance improvement would be of help.

In a future release of multinet would it be possible to have
the processes created to service SMTP and FINGER (and maybe others?)
linger for a short time like FAL connections do for DECNET?

Jonathan Welch  VAX Systems Manager  Umass/Amherst  JHWELCH@ecs.umass.edu
From: rtm@tacos.caltech.edu (Raoul Machilvich)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: How can I get a free port number?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 04:14 PST
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tacos.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    

Hi,

    I am running Multinet 3.0 Rev. A.   I was wondering if anyone could help
me with the following problem.

    I have a computer which is booted via TCP from a VMS VAX.   For reasons that
are long and boring, I must supply the remote computer with the number of
an unused TCP/IP port.   This port must not be in use, in any state, at
the time the computer boots.   Is there any call or combination of calls
that I could make to the Multinet subroutine library that would report to
me an unused, or free, port number?   Alternatively, I could just sequentially
try port numbers if I knew of a subroutine that would tell me if a port
was in use (it must not even be in a time-out or fin_wait state).   I'm
currently using a subroutine that examines the output of the
MULTINET SHOW/CONN command, and finds a free port by brute force, but
this is apt to win me few points for either elegance or efficiency.

							Thanks
							Taco (*)
							rtm@tacos.caltech.edu

(*) The most irresponsible hiker Mark "Dolson" has ever known.
From: leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.misc
Subject: Re: Running DECnet over multiple Ethernet adapter
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:41:48 GMT
Reply-To: Leonard@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Telecommunications

In article <BxD4vs.1By@micrognosis.co.uk>, nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin) writes:
| |> [I wrote:]
| |> | Can you run DECnet over multiple Ethernet adapters? If so, under what
| |> | conditions? Would it work with:
| |> [...]
| |> | 	2) 2 adapters on 2 networks with every node in the same area?
| |> 
| |> Sure, this would be the usual way to do it.
| |> 
| |> | 	3) 2 adapters on 2 networks with a different area for each node?
| 
| Whoops, I meant a different area for each network.
| 
| |> Might I ask why you would want to do this?
| 
| The question came up in a discussion of whether we should stop bridging 2
| of our networks and route between them instead.  Someone said (incorrectly,
| as it turns out) "You can't run DECnet over 2 Ethernet adapters". We can
| probably solve our problem by configuring the bridges to prevent certain
| protocols passing through them, but we wanted to know if routing was
| possible. Cheers, Neil.

One recommendation, if you do decide to go the routing route instead of
bridging:

DECnet routing will optimally handle an arbitrary topology if all nodes
are in a single area.  But if nodes are in separate areas, traffic will
take suboptimal routes because interarea traffic must pass thru
level 2 routers even if such a path is physically unnecessary.

So I would DISRECOMMEND assigning separate areas to each DECnet 
"subnet", but instead give everyone addresses within a single area,
up until you reach your 1K node limit.

Aaron
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.misc
Subject: Re: Running DECnet over multiple Ethernet adapters
From: leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard)
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:22:41 MST
Reply-To: Leonard@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Telecommunications

In article <BxB1tq.FFw@micrognosis.co.uk>, nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin) writes:
|
| Can you run DECnet over multiple Ethernet adapters? If so, under what
| conditions? Would it work with:
| 
| 	1) 2 adapters on the same piece of wire with every node in the
| 	   same area?

No.  A DECnet Phase IV node can't have two interfaces on the same Ethernet,
because DECnet embeds the node's network-layer address in the interface's 
Ethernet "physical" address so that it doesn't have to use ARP or something
like it.  So you would wind up with two interfaces on the same Ethernet
with the same Ethernet address which won't work.

| 	2) 2 adapters on 2 networks with every node in the same area?

Sure, this would be the usual way to do it.

| 	3) 2 adapters on 2 networks with a different area for each node?

This would work too (assuming that you made each node an area [level 2]
router), but it would be perverse.

| If anyone can point to a section of the Networking Manual that I have missed
| then please do so :-) Neil.

I'm afraid I don't know whether I've seen this stuff in any manual.

Might I ask why you would want to do this?  Your ordinary DECnet guys
just buy bridges if they want to partition their network.  (And a bridge
will pass traffic better than any VAX will, and reboot faster.)

Best,

Aaron

Aaron Leonard (AL104), <Leonard@Arizona.EDU>
University of Arizona Network Operations, Tucson AZ 85721
  "It's not a bug, it's a form of flow control."
  - Jerry Leichter on why crash-prone Unix is a suitable
    platform for NSFNET core routers
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.misc
Subject: vnews
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:56:00
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu

I am trying to help a friend with a vnews question but I have no access to a
VMS system.  The question is whether vnews has a kill facility similar to rn,
i.e., letting the user specify what kind of message s/he does not want to see.
From: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.misc
Subject: Re: Running DECnet over multiple Ethernet adapters
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:28:39 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Micrognosis, London, UK.

In article <1992Nov6.192244.3956@arizona.edu>, leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard) writes:
|> [I wrote:]
|> | Can you run DECnet over multiple Ethernet adapters? If so, under what
|> | conditions? Would it work with:
|> [...]
|> | 	2) 2 adapters on 2 networks with every node in the same area?
|> 
|> Sure, this would be the usual way to do it.
|> 
|> | 	3) 2 adapters on 2 networks with a different area for each node?

Whoops, I meant a different area for each network.

|> Might I ask why you would want to do this?

The question came up in a discussion of whether we should stop bridging 2
of our networks and route between them instead.  Someone said (incorrectly,
as it turns out) "You can't run DECnet over 2 Ethernet adapters". We can
probably solve our problem by configuring the bridges to prevent certain
protocols passing through them, but we wanted to know if routing was
possible. Cheers, Neil.
-- 
 Phone: +44 71 815 5283  E-mail: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk
 Anything is a cause for sorrow that my mind or body has made
From: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.misc
Subject: Running DECnet over multiple Ethernet adapters
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:27:25 GMT
Organization: Micrognosis, London, UK.

Can you run DECnet over multiple Ethernet adapters? If so, under what
conditions? Would it work with:

	1) 2 adapters on the same piece of wire with every node in the
	   same area?
	2) 2 adapters on 2 networks with every node in the same area?
	3) 2 adapters on 2 networks with a different area for each node?

If anyone can point to a section of the Networking Manual that I have missed
then please do so :-) Neil.
-- 
 Phone: +44 71 815 5283  E-mail: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk
 Anything is a cause for sorrow that my mind or body has made
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From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.misc,vmsnet.misc,comp.os.vms
Subject: Q: Extending Ethernet over fiber
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:42:10 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

We have a VAX 6320 with a small Pathworks LAN running over Thinwire
Ethernet; this is in one building.  The 6320 and two DECserver 500s
are connected to a DELNI that's connected to a DESPR.  I plan to
eventually remove the DELNI from that configuration, I think.  We'd
like to extend our Ethernet in two different ways as cheaply as
possible (of course).

I have two configuration questions for those of you who know about
Ethernet.

   o  The building housing the above LAN is connected to another
      building via fiber optic cable, but it's not being used yet.
      We have a Novell LAN in that building, as well as a DECsystem
      5100 and a VAX 11/785.  We'd like to extend the 6320 LAN to
      include at least the DECsystem and the 11/785, with the Novell
      LAN being a nice added bonus.

      The question: if we buy two Fiber Media Access Units (DEFLM-AA)
      as advertised on page 105 in the new DECdirect catalog, can we
      connect the 6320 and the remote systems without purchasing any
      additional equipment (routers, bridges, etc.)?  If so, do you
      have any suggestions for configuration?  The remote building is
      about 500 feet away; the Pathworks LAN is currently about at its
      length limit.  Approximately 200--300 feet run between the
      DECsystem and the 11/785; the DECsystem is currently connected
      to the Novell LAN.

      It appears that the DEFLM would let us go from Ethernet -> DEFLM
      -> fiber -> DEFLM -> Ethernet.

   o  We have another Novell LAN (Thinwire Ethernet) in the same building
      as the 6320.  It too has reached its maximum length.  Naturally,
      we'd like to connect the Novell LAN and the Pathworks LAN.  Will
      that work if the DESPR is replaced with a DEMPR?  How about just
      connecting a gateway to the DELNI now?  Would that work?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.  No one around here
(including our DEC reps) has had much experience with the limits of
Ethernet.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.misc
From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Subject: Docks on DecWindows?
Originator: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:11:22 GMT


For those of you who are familiar with docks on the amiga, or XcmdPanel for
unix/ultrix, (I'm also told there is a simularity to docks on the Next) is
there a simular package for DecWindows under VMS?  (Kind of like a File View
with all of the menus permanently pulled down)
	Also, is there a way for a general user to exit a Dec Windows session
other than opening the session manager and choosing the quit menu item?
Thanks,
Ken
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,vmsnet.internals,vmsnet.misc
From: ERIC@sscl.uwo.ca (Eric Cartman)
Subject: problem connecting InfoServer via LAT
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:00:50 GMT
Keywords: PathWorks, LAT, InfoServer

 
We have been using the LAT interface to service some client-server
stuff we have done for our network (PathWorks 4.1, LAT 4.1.17j).
The routines work fine for connections to our vaxen (VMS 5.5-1)
however, when trying to start a session on the PC to our
InfoServer (v2.1) the call returns 0x80 in AH. The programmer's
manual describes this condition as `failure'...?
Interestingly enough, my VT1200 can't connect to the InfoServer either.
SETHOST (v4.1.017) has no problem making the LAT connection from the
PC, as is the case with SET HOST /LAT from the VAX.
To connect, I have used both a local SCB and one pointed to
by the Get SCB function. This structure is initialized by
first filling it with nulls, installing the service name,
and setting up the slot pointers. I then call Start Session
with:
     AX   0xd0ff
     BX   offset for SCB
     DX   0xff00
     ES   segment for SCB
using interrupt 0x6a.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.....                          
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        /
        \___/ric@uwo.ca
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Problems with PC and MAC sharing a file service
From: DAN@WINROCK.ORG
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:08:17 -0600
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"LANWORKS@MIAMIU.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU"

It has been my experience that if anybody deletes part of the directory
structure, except the Macintosh, then the Macintosh has problem updating
the desktop.  I do not know if the problem is with Pathworks or if that
is one of the inherit problems when trying to share files between PCs and
MACs or I quess (heaven forbid) that I could have something setup wrong.
 
 
Dan
DAN@WINROCK.ORG
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks