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From: ins894r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley [Wigs])
Subject: Re: julian may and Fury (*spoilers*)
Organization: Monash University
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:20:33 GMT

Jason F Ralph (jasonr@syma.sussex.ac.uk) wrote:
: .. that I hadn't even considered Felice as a
: candidate for Fury (partly because it has been a good five years since I
: last read the Saga of the Exiles). Though the name 'Fury' is quite
: reminiscent of Felice at her best, she was by nature a destructive
: personality and I doubt whether her mental state would have enabled her
: to prolong her life sufficiently to reach back to post intervention
: times. Assuming, of course, that she did not possess the 'immortality'
: gene of the Remillards...which is by no means guaranteed.

Okay - but how much did Culliket modify Felice's personality?
Remember - if Fury is Felice, it is rather Felice/Culliket. Culliket
would also have reasons for getting back at the Great Enemy (The MacGregor
clan - including the Nonborn King himself - Aiken Drum). Besides, when
Felice and Culliket fused together to form the Duality, were they human 
or Tanu anymore, or something else entirely?

: Felice is quite an interesting plotline and I think if it can be
: justified properly it could be a very good tie-in. 

True - I get the feeling Julian May loves these tie in's rather alot,
look at the large number of links between the Pliocene Saga, and the 
Galactic Milleu: MacGregor ==> Aiken Drum, ...

: This problem is unlikely to be sorted out when Diamond Mask finally
: makes its appearence but we may get some more clues. Hopefully it won't
: take too much longer to appear because I for one have been waiting for
: about eight years to read the WHOLE story!

Likewise. 

BTW - here's an extract from JtB to ponder over - it's when Adrienne
is subsumed by Hydra.

"It was bad enough finding out about this Hydra.  But it's not the
only monster out there. Jack said Hydra was `sustained and controlled
and loved` --his exact thoughts!--by still another mind.  I looked at the
faint image of this second thing, which was all Jack could perceive, and
it wasn't the same kind of entity as Hydra.  Hydra wasn't human. But
the other thing was--and what's more, it was vaguely familiar to me."
	"Nom de dieu! Was the second thing Victor?"
	[ omited childhood memory reruns. ]
	But I'd stake my life that the scary
person who tried to make mental contact with me when Uncle Vic
died and the entity who sustains the Hydra are the same."

More evidence for Fury being human. Or possibly once-human.

: jasonr@sussex.central.ac.uk

The Wigs of Oz,
Aaron Wigley
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: 2061 and Forward (was re Who wrote RAMA II and GARDEN OF... anyway?)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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Vintage Clarke: 

>Second that.  2061 was pretty poor. The Rama sequels were OK, but not  
>vintage Clarke.  I liked _Ghost_, but again, it wasn't vintage  
>Clarke.

     Vintage Clarke?  No, I'd have to agree Vintage Clarke is more
     along the lines of the original RAMA, CHILDHOOD'S END, 2001
     (and 2010, which for all intents and purposes I think is a
     far superior book with more vibrant characters than any in
     Clarke's rogue's gallery).  

     I like 2061.  I like the way the mystery unfolds - and continues
     to throw curves like Halley's.  I like the way he balances science
     with story - a problem I perceive in Clarke, and which is more
     often than not what keeps me from reading him, is that he's
     not a character-focused author.  He's an IDEA focus, and the
     flimsy non-people he fashions to function in various elements
     of plot are almost always paper-thin, well-spoken scientists
     with about as much personality as a litmus test.  

     GHOST FROM THE GRAND BANKS is an ideal example - idea told 
     fictionally because of Clarke's pragmatic decision to tell it
     that way, not because the characters of the story DEMANDED to
     be told that way.

     (Then Clarke throws something at us like the first hundred and
     fifty pages of GARDEN OF RAMA - the journal - and it's like
     tasting something we can't have: Vintage Clarke storytelling
     with Morden Clarke pragmatism.  ...Then Gentry Lee takes over
     and the book becomes ridiculous, but...)

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
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From: rsm58307@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ron)
Subject: Re: The Shadow Rising - Robert Jordan **SPOILERS**
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:12:59 GMT
Keywords: TSR Jordan Shadow

Spoilers ahead, all!  Avert the eyes!



>Here's a new idea for those who have read TSR to chew on - what do
>you think will happen with Logain?  Now that he's free from the Tower
>and (nominally) under Siuan's control, think that he'll join forces
>with Rand and his group?  Recall that Min saw an aura of power and
>glory about his head.  Anyone want to wager that Rand figures out 
>some way to remove the block from saidin so that Logain can channel
>again?  
>My personal suspicions are that Logain *does* join forces with Rand,
>even if he is not un-stilled (if such a thing is possible).  I believe
>(and could be wrong) that mention is made of his tactical ability - 
>maybe he'll serve as a general or something even if he doesn't recover
>his powers.
>So let's hear it - wagers on the outcome, anyone?
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------
>----			Jeff Pierce                     ----
>George Washington University   |  Naval Research Lab
>pierce@seas.gwu.edu	       |  pierce@enews.nrl.navy.mil


I wouldn't bet you on this (too likely you're either Dead right or Dead
wrong).  Rand did show admiration for Logain when Logain was being
paraded through Andor's capital.

	- Ron
From: barring@cs.washington.edu (David Barrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Subway Named M\"obius
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:05:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Oct12.160558.17406
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

This story also appears in the collection "Fantasia Mathematica",
edited by Clifton Fadiman, a must read for anyone who likes 
mathematically oriented and/or old sf.  Heinlein's "Crooked House"
is there as well.  Fadiman also edited another collection called
"The Mathematical Magpie" which was similar.  Sorry I don't have 
more publication info on these.  "FM" was pre-1965 and "MM" pre-1980.

Dave MB
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
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Subject: Re: send
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:07:30 GMT
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Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

Hrothgar shows himself to be completely out of his mind when he writes:

>I'm (so far) futilely searching for a copy of a book called
>"The Big U".  (the author is unknown, unfortunately.  It is a comic look at
>life at the megaversity.  I saw a copy of the book once, over the summer, but
>couldn't convince the owner to part with it.  If anyone out there knows of a
>copy availible for sale, please jot off a note.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

NFW I'm parting with them.  One had birch beer spilled on it by my SO.
That's now her copy, and now I have my own again.

	Larry "It's that kind of good" Hammer
--

LNH@physics.arizona.edu     \   Hidden harmony is better than
GEnie: L.HAMMER2             \  manifest.  -- Heraclitus, #47
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Subject: Re: CJ Cherryh
From: ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:17:59 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen) writes:

>In article <CMM.0.90.2.717896857.billw@regal.cisco.com> billw@REGAL.CISCO.COM (William "Chops" Westfield) writes:

>|(Consider, if you read Downbelow Station first, there is very heavy
>Which I did.
>|insinuation that "union" are the "bad guys", except for maybe miltary rogues
>|who are worse.  Yet in Cyteen, we cheer on the very creators of this corrupt
>|society.)

>True, it is all very excellently done.  But part of this change of view is
>accomplished by making the worst extremes of what Cyteen did in the war be
>considered excessive by most of the citizens of Cyteen.  That is the least
>acceptible activities, far from being the norm of the culture, are desperation
>moves brought on by the war situation.

Azi are still the mainstay of Union economy and society in "Cyteen", and
they were introduced for maximum expansion potential, not only as soldiers.

Union's system of government, which is as far from democracy as you can
get and still have elections (Whatever happened to division of power?
What about guarantee of individual rights? Anyone ever head of a thing
called "public debate"?) is firmly based on the notion that "some men
were created better than others"; look at the voting system, or at the
"specials"

All of this has little to do with the war.

>In "Rimrunner" we have a main character who goes *far* beyond what I consider
>reasonable behavior, even in the extreme position she was in, and there
>seems to be nothing at stake except the survival of a few murderous outlaws.

I don't see much difference between Mallory and Yeager.  Both are
typical soldiers the way Cherryh likes to paint them: fiercely loyal to
whatever group they happen to belong to, and casual about killing off
everybody else. Mallory's defection, which happened to be the Right
Thing, only happened because Mazian wounded her pride and threatened to
interfere with Norway's internal affairs. BTW, I think that "murderous
outlaws" pretty much describes the Fleet in "Downbelow Station".
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Mostly Harmless
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:51:36 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

No spoilers here.

Was anyone else as utterly, hopelessly disappointed as I was with this book?  I
was up until 2:45 in the morning finishing this one-sitting book, and I was
shocked and appalled by the lack of humour in the last fiftyu or so pages.
Does Adams intend a sixth book?  Or will he leave it ended here?  I'm really
considering hocking the thing at a used bookstore and forgetting it ever
happened.  

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
Go Jays!
-------
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From: tom@HAN.Paramax.COM (Tom Jewell)
Subject: Re: BOOK SEARCH
Originator: tom@hpwisf1.han.paramax.com
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:06:01 GMT

>     Quite a long time ago I read a book that dealt with two planets in  
>the same system (or two systems that were very close).  One planet was
>populated by humans and the other by some species of large ant-like
>beings.  Both worlds were at similar tech levels and they hated each 
>other.  One human then noticed that a large fleet was on the way to destroy
>both these worlds - I do not remember how he claimed he knew this - it 
>was, however, still a long way off.  The impending invasion forced the 
>two planets to put aside their differences and unite against the common
>enemy and thus they found they could be friends.  It was then revealed
>that the reported invasion fleet was a hoax designed to force the two
>planets to see that they could be friends.
>        I do not remember this book as being especially good, in fact I 
>recall thinking the whole concept was a bit unrealistic but it has always
>bothered me to not remember the name and author of a book.  I am hoping
>that someone can tell the name of the author and/or the book.
>
Alan Dean Foster has a book with this approximate plot.
I think its "The man who used the universe". (or something similar.)

-- 
Tom Jewell

tom@han.paramax.com
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: _Lord of Light_
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:18:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Oct12.151851.13107
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <199210081709.AA04225@aerospace.aero.org> obrien@AERO.ORG writes:

> I've recommended the book but haven't gotten the blank stares others
> are claiming.  It used to be my favorite SF book as well, until I
> hit Gene Wolfe's _Book of the New Sun_ (now, how about a _New Sun_
> theme park?  Is that a scary idea, or what?).  THAT book, at least,
> does not garner blank stares.  It seems to engender extreme distress
> in just about all the people who read it.  Not for the masses, that one.

  LoL is probably my favorite Zelazny. IMO worlds above _New Sun_, as it is
coherent to anyone with inteligence but no Master's in Psychology, which I
think is required for _New Sun_.  Very weird books.  I gave up on them halfway
through the series.  Just couldn't take it anymore.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones)
Subject: Re: _Lord of Light_
Reply-To: martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones)
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:42:04 GMT


In article <1992Oct8.323556.32434@ghostwheel.dartmouth.edu>, takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon) writes:
|>Anyone have any comments on it?  (I think it's been out of print for a
|>while now.)  Definitely worth reading, if you can get your hands on it.
|>
My favorite Zelazny is _Creatures of Light and Darkness_, mostly because of 
all those great Egyptian gods...

				Martin K. Jones
	   			University of Alabama at Birmingham
	   			MARTIN@ARU.DOM.UAB.EDU
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Weirdstone location? (Was Re: Alan Garner)
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:51:11 GMT
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <1992Oct6.201518.15825@linus.mitre.org> ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.234533.9188@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>>      I used to spend hours with Weirdstone, Gomrath, and the
>>> appropriate Ordnance Survey map, tracing out the travels of the
>>> characters (Red Shift is also set in the same general area).
>>> 
>> Where was Weirdstone set?  Is "Alderley" a real place I can look up in the 
>> OS atlas?
>
>    Yes, it is. Going on 15+ year old memories, you should try
>Macclesfield, near Poole. Can't recall what's really real, and what's
>made up - but most of the non-fantastic geography is correct.
>
Near Poole????  I can't think of anywhere near Macclesfield that might
possibly be confused with Poole (which is in Dorset).  My family has 
friends living in Alderly, and I heard about the legend of the wizard
from them long before encountering Garner's interpretation of it.


--
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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Gibson, Neuromancer: Why ICE works
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:05:54 GMT

In article <urf.718745416@sw2001>, urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
>I think I've figured out why ICE works:
>
>        It works because people think it works.
>
>Why not? If you believe the witch doctor, and he
>says you'll die in five days, you very likely do.

I don't believe your theory. I usually think that my experiments will 
work, but that doesn't help a bit! :-)

Tomas
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            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
From: mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Next Rama Book
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:34:53 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

In article <1992Oct6.154829.14607@hubcap.clemson.edu> dbrod@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>Does anyone know when Arthur C. Clarke's next Rama book will be out?

guru sez:
	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
	not another one.........

-- 
      /~~~) /   / /~~~) /   /  
     (___/ (___/ /     (___/   These mind-expanding drugs have given me so much
        /                      imagination, I'm hallucinating grey vividly....
   (___/ mei172@cch.cov.ac.uk                       Victor Lewis-Smith
From: ANTHONYS@ucrvm2.BITNET ("Anthony R. Sanchez")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: _Lord of Light_
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:27:10 GMT


      I also read this book, and enjoyed it very much.  I had to read the
Spanish version, which always looses some of the feeling in the book, but
even so, I liked it a lot.  Sometimes the Spanish translators are SF fans
so their work has quality, but unfortunatly it isn't always so.
From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: a random quote to brighten your day
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:16:29 GMT
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <1b0dajINN7rd@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.181155.29980@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
>>In article <1avnt9INN3ts@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:

>>>'"Yes,  but - no - wait!" for Alyx sprung to her feet
>>>and fetched from his stool the pillow on which he
>>>had been sitting, the purpose of which he did not
>>>at first seem to comprehend, but then his eyes went
>>>wide with horror, for she had got the pillow in order
>>>to smother him, and that is just what she did.'

>>Joanna Russ.

>Give the man a cigar.  (A long, fat Havana.  Sometimes a cigar
>_is_ just a cigar.)

Damn!  And I don't even smoke.

>How such an awkward sentence ever found its way into print
>I shall decline to speculate; but perhaps it has something
>to do with the fact that _Adventures of Alyx_ was published
>by...

>Yes, the good folks who brought you Jerry Pournelle.  Baen Books.

That's not strictly true.  While I am rather amused to find out
that Baen printed the book, the material that made up *The Adventures
of Alyx* consisted of three (or is it four?) short stories that
appeared in Damon Knight's *Orbit* anthologies (published by 
Berkley, I believe), and one novel *Picnic on Paradise* published 
by Ace (as part of Terry Carr's original line of Ace Specials).

It's been ages since I read the stories (and I'm not even going to
think about looking it up), but I rather suspect that the paragraph 
you quoted appeared in one of the first of the short stories, and was, 
I believe, one of the very first things she ever published, which might
go some way towards explaining the clumsiness.

Another thing that might explain it is the fact that Alyx was a definite,
self conscious attempt to do a "feminist" adventure hero, in ye grande-
olde tradition of R. E. Howard, et al, and perhaps she was trying to
echo the pulp "style".

I read all these stories years and years ago as a teenager, and they 
didn't make much impression.  The only stuff of hers I've read since is 
her novella "Souls" and *We Who Are About to...*, both of which I thought 
were excellent, and both of which demonstrated considerable stylistic 
grace and control.

--
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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:52:58 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England

In article <asnpy4b@lynx.unm.edu>, xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt) writes:
|> donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
|> 
|> >or how about a Robert Anton Wilson adaptation?
|> 
|> Illuminatus! : The Movie? :=)

The Science Fiction Theatre Of Liverpool put on a stage production of
Illuminatus! a few years ago. It was really good, but I'm not sure you 
could have called our critical faculties calibrated at the time :-)

   Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Maidenhead itself is too snobby to be pleasant. It is the haunt of the
   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

   Three Men In A Boat, Jerome K. Jerome, 1889
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Zelazny (was Re: _Lord of Light_)
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:30:12 GMT

In article <199210081709.AA04225@aerospace.aero.org> obrien@AERO.ORG writes:

>Certainly _Lord of Light_ was both a Hugo and a Nebula winner the year
>it appeared (I'm certain of the Hugo, less certain of the Nebula).  As
>I recall there was pretty stiff competition that year, too.

Yep. . . DUNE, which won both Hugo and Nebula. LoL tied for won, seconded the
other.


>I, too, have been disappointed in Zelazny's more recent output.  He does
>still occasionally pull off flashes, such as "27 Views of Mt. Fuji...",
>but the days of _Lord of Light_ seem to be just about over.  Too bad.

The solution is simple:  don't bother with Zelazny's novels any more.  His
short stories are generally as good as ever.


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