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From: paranjpe@leland.Stanford.EDU (Milind D Paranjpe)
Subject: Re: Are Seagate drives any good ?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 03:15:36 GMT

In article <PHR.92Aug20111227@soda.berkeley.edu> phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:
>Your ST238R is an ST225 selected for being able to handle the RLL density.
>The ST225 was one of the few fairly reliable drives Seagate made,
>from what I understand.  You are pretty lucky with your ST251's,
>which have an awful reputation.

I'll second that.  I have had bad experiences with 2 ST251's so far.  But
my ST250R seems to be running just fine.

Milind Paranjpe
paranjpe@leland.stanford.edu
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:39:36 -0400 
From: David Eugene Dwiggins <dd2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Help me identify this tape drive

I have an Archive 2060L drive that appears to be QIC-02, 60MB.
However, the pins don't appear to follow the QIC-02 standard.

I connected the drive to my Wangtek PC-36 controller, and it didn't work.


Is this a QIC-02 drive?  Archive didn't help.
They want $150 for the controller.

David
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:17:43 EDT
From: <RVK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Help with defective TURBO switch on a 486-33

All of a sudden my 486-33 MHz computer has begun operating at
16 MHz, due to a defective TURBO SWITCH on the front panel. Norton
SysInfo now reports a CPU landmark speed of 19.4 versus the 71.4
it usually used to report.  The memory test during boot-up also takes
a hell of long time compared to before.  Any ideas on what might be
happening?  Also any ideas on how to fix a defective TURBO switch or
bypass it? My problem is that the TURBO switch is part of the front of
the Mid-Tower case and is not separately extractable.  All suggestions
are welcome.

Atul Ramani
PSUVM
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From: fagundes@iastate.edu (Alex Fagundes)
Subject: WANTED: med. or full height tower
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:19:16 GMT

Hi,
  I'm looking for a cheap medium or a full height IBM tower.  I'm planning
to place my amiga inside it :)
thanx....

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*  Alex Fagundes -         Proud owner of a 76 Maverick :) and another        *
*  fagundes@iastate.edu  -          believer that AMIGA rules                 *
*******************************************************************************
From: stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Specs on Conner CP3204 200MB IDE drive
Keywords: Conner CP3204
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 21:26:40 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang) writes:

> Can someone post/email the CMOS setup parameters(i.e. heads, cylinders, etc)
> for the Conner CP3204 drive?  Thanks in advance.

Let's see.  My Conner Installation Guide (dated 8/91) says the following
about the CP3204:

Heads  Cylinders       Sectors   PComp  L-Zone 	  Type    Table   LED
  16     683   	         38       0       683     *UT      2       B

Table 2:  Jumper Settings      	       *UT = Universal translate.  Select a
  Single Drive = Jumper C/D    	       drive type that is close to but does
  Master Drive = Jumper C/D & DSP      not exceed the megabyte capacity of
  Slave Drive = No jumpers installed   the drive.  The drive will translate
       	       	       	       	       to the megabyte capacity you have
LED Table B:  J-5      	       	       selected.
  Pin 3 = +
  Pin 4 = -


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From: co@chrom1.mednet.gu.se (Christer Olsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: REPOST: Memory settings for INTEL 386-16 mothercard needed.
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:03:34 GMT
Reply-To: co@chrom1.mednet.gu.se (Christer Olsson)
Organization: MedNet, University of Gothenburg


I haven't got any response yet. So here is a repost... 

In article <1992Aug17.103506.5968@gdunix.gd.chalmers.se>, co@bildsun1.mednet.gu.se (Christer Olsson) writes:
|> My boss has a 386-16 by Intels own brand. Today, it's only equipped with
|> 2 Mbyte memory in eight 256K-SIMMs. Now, he want to replace some of the 
|> old memory into larger 1Mb SIMMs. 
|> 
|> He has no manual or any documentation about the jumper configurations on 
|> the mothercard. Can anybody help me with some settings for the three or 
|> four jumpers on the mothercard descibing the memory configuration. 
|> 
|> The only settings i need is for using 4 256K SIMMs and 4 1M SIMMs
|> 
|> 
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From: adrian@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (A Johnstone)
Subject: DMA on AT as opposed to XT
Reply-To: adrian@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (A Johnstone)
Organization: Dept of Comp Sci, Royal Holloway & Bedford New College Uni London
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:49:55 GMT

A while back I posted a call for any info on PC DMA. most reponses were of the 
me-too variety so perhaps I touched a nerve... 

I've been on holiday a while and it is possible that I've missed some discussion.

As an update:
I now have DMA to and from my homebrew SCSI card working on an XT (ie with 20-bit
addressing). Now on an AT (which of course has 24-bit addressing) an extra 
four bits were added to the page registers that supply address bits above A15.

I don't know what to put in these extended page registers, because it depends 
on what MS-DOS, Windows, Extended memory managers etc are doing. In fact even 
under vanilla MS-DOS V5 with no cleverness about loading drivers high I
can't make it work. So, my next question is simple: how do you do virtual to
physical address mapping under MS-DOS on an AT, in other words how do I find out
what the real absolute address is of a buffer decalared in a normal non-high 
memory program?

I'm happy to tell people how I got XT DMA going but I probably need to respond
to specific enquiries, so if you have a similar problem mail me and I'll try and
help. When (and if!) I've got it running on an AT I will post a short tutorial 
document for your comments.

                           Adrian
From: frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Specs on Conner CP3204 200MB IDE drive
Date: 13 Aug 1992 17:15:55 GMT
Organization: Rice University


Can someone post/email the CMOS setup parameters(i.e. heads, cylinders, etc)
for the Conner CP3204 drive?  Thanks in advance.

Frank Kang
frank@owlnet.rice.edu
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Gateway's long phone waiting (was: SUMMARY: To Gateway, or not to Gateway?)
Keywords: Gateway 2000 buying computer summary
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:36:38 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/

Just a note: yup, Gateway's phone waiting can be extremely long and tedious
(though not always.)  However, one suggestion: Fax your questions.  I have
always recieved a response back via FAX from Gateway (for either customer
service or technical information) within 24 hours of having sent it.  (I
admit, however, that I am considerably more composed in my thoughts when
writing than when speaking.  (In fact, I'm drooling as we speak.))

An interesting comparison: when I was trying to get tech info from Dell
about their computers, it took two *weeks* before they got back to me (via
FAX or phone) and answered my question (about the type of UARTs on their
serial boards.)  The Gateway tech responsed within eight hours via FAX, gave
complete information, and suggested some alternatives I could take.  Very
impressive!

[And... my new Gateway 486/33 towers (one for work, one for home) work
without a glitch.]

                           "There was some brilliant work done with rats,
                            which makes it scientific."
                                           -- Prof. Ralph Noble
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 60nSec memory - Will 486/33 be faster?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:32:41 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <92233.100402REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Path: exucom.exu.ericsson.se!texsun!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!news2me.ebay.sun.com!sun-barr!sh.wide!wnoc-tyo-news!nec-tyo!nec-gw!mips!sdd.hp.com!usc!rpi!bu.edu!dartvax!mars.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!ree700a
>From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
>Subject: Re: 60nSec memory - Will 486/33 be faster?
>Message-ID: <92233.100402REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>Date: 20 Aug 92 14:04:02 GMT
>References: <Bt90qD.26p@encore.com>
>Organization: University of Maine System
>Lines: 17


>   The change from 70 or 80 nS RAM to 60 nS RAM is only necessary if :
>a) Your board doesn't properly perform interleaved cache fills
>b) It does, but all four banks of SIMMS are full (16 SIMMS!)
>or
>c) You are truely concerned about to 10-20 nS hit the first time a cache
>   miss occurs.  I assume your 486/33 has 256K cache (if not - upgrade
>   that before all of the main memory).  For a modest 90% cache hit rate,
>   a 25% reduction in SIMM cycle time corresponds to about a 2.5% memory
>   system speed-up on an effective zero wait state system.

>   Therefore, my recommendation:  Fill all four banks (16MB of 1MB simms!)
>Shut off any virtual memory bullshit.  Get a 256K cache with less than 30
>nanosecond cycle time.   If you are currently running 4MB in 256K simms,
>don't replace them with 4MB of faster 256K simms!  Get 8MB of 1MB simms,
>take the temporary wash-out in performance (two way interleave of 60's
>compared to 4-way 80's) and add the other 8MB when you can afford it.

I second that.  In fact, if you can stretch your budget, go for 4MB sticks.
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From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Subject: Re: How much is RAM in the States?
Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:04:12 GMT


In a previous article, kak1@cypress31.cray.com (Kevin Kramer) says:

>In article <BsvDwK.BHu@iai.kfk.de>, seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de (David Seldner) writes:
>> The subject lines says it. I'm thinking of getting maybe 4 MB RAM.
>> Can anyone tell me what price to expect?
>> 
>> Thanks a lot!
>> 
>> dave
>> seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de

These people always have good prices and have no minimum order.
My friends and myself have bought about $1500 in simms and have only
recieved 1 bad strip which was promptly replaced.

Mega Micro- 619-573-0040

4x9x70ns - $109.00 (9 chip)
1x9x60ns - $33.00  (3 chip)
1x9x70ns - $27.50  (3 chip)
1x9x70ns - $31.50  (9 chip)
From: sld@phys.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Strobe computer? Don't even think about it.
Date: 13 Aug 1992 14:57:45 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: piaget.phys.ksu.edu
Summary: Strobe's going out of business.

A new reason why you shouldn't buy from Strobe computer, brought to you
by the guy who's had all the problems with them before.

I was told yesterday by Joe that Strobe was being 'closed down' in two
or three weeks. However, to the best of my knowledge, they are still taking
orders. Please don't order from them (unless you just LOVE headaches).

Oh well, I'm just hoping to get my money back (tough since I really don't
wanna shell out $$$ for a lawyer).

Steve Davis
sld@phys.ksu.edu
From: lodzins@pilot.njin.net (Dean Lodzinski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: MFM Drives,386/33DX,Problems,Help
Keywords: MFM Drives,386/33DX,Problems,Help
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:04:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I was given a 386/33DX motherboard to replace my 286 board.  I have
MFM drives (yes, I know, MFM drives on a 386??!!).  I installed my
hard drives and floppy in the 386 case.  I booted up, changed the CMOS
and rebooted.  My familiar config.sys and autoexec.bat programs booted
up.  Now here is the problem.  When I viewed the directory on my hard
drive, it only showed one sub-directory and nothing else.  Does anyone
have any ideas as to why this is happening?  ANy info would be
appreciated emailed to me.
   Dean
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From: jbutcher@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Jim Butcher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Hard Drive Problem
Date: 11 Aug 92 08:19:24 MST
Organization: The Nucleus 16 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

In article <1992Aug3.195722.19640@athena.mit.edu>, ascheng@athena.mit.edu
(Adelbert S Cheng) writes:
>Recently, my hard drive has been making a high-pitched humming/whining
>sound.  It is really quite annoying and I would like to make it stop.
>The noise starts usually about 5 ~ 10 minutes after I turn on my machine
>and is constant (i.e. doesn't just occur during read/writes).  Could
>anyone out there enlighten me as to what the problem might be?  By the
>way, the drive is a Seagate ST-251-1 (I think that's the model).
>
>Thanks!
>____________________________________________________________________________
__
>    _
>   (_` _/)    A. S. (Ed) Cheng          Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>  (__ (_\_    ascheng@athena.mit.edu    Sloan Automotive Laboratory
>____________________________________________________________________________
__

I had exactly the same problem with a hard drive awhile back, and surprise
surprise, it was also a seagate model ST-251-1. This started happening shortly
before the drive died, so i would suggest you do a backup and start shopping
for a new hard drive. Needless to say i did not buy another seagate ST-251-1.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: neese@adaptx1.UUCP (Roy Neese)
Subject: Re: HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Adaptec Inc., Texas
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:27:05 GMT
Keywords: adaptec floppy

In article <jeff.713650936@adx.adelphi.edu> jeff@adx.adelphi.edu (Jeffery Storch) writes:
> I have a problem:
> 	My floppy drives do not work like they are supposed to.
> 
> EX.
> 	When I copy files from my floppy drive OR install software from
> floppies while my machine is at it's top speed, I get random errorsin
> the copied files or the install program dies.
> 
> 	I have found a temporary solution... I have lowered my processor
> speed from 20 Mhz to 16Mhz and all works fine, but I do not want to keep
> the processor @16Mhz
> 
> 	I have an adaptec 1542B w/ a Maxtor 8760S and a 1.2 & 1.44
> floppies. my motherboard is a 386/20DX.
> 
> ANY SOLUTION WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!!

Jeff, I need a bit more information before help can be handed out.  What
operating system?  Are you using any ASPI software?  What controls the
floppies (on board or 154x)?
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From: newsman@milton.u.washington.edu (Chris Ricci)
Subject: Spare hard drive
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:33:39 GMT

I recently aquired a 30M hard drive(ST-238, seagate, RLL), it has some bad      blocks.  Some of the software works some doesn't suggesting that if I only      formated the good parts of the drive I could continue to use it.  While looking at it I found that the FAT table was reproduced(so that there are two tables, I assume one works and one doesn't).  I tried Norton Disk Doctor and it wanted to format the drive but since it is an RLL drive I canceled.  Is there any softwarethat would allow me to use the 




80% or so of good space?  Anybody with any ideas welcome.  Thanks in advance.

Chris.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.ps2,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: pinder2@emily.uvm.edu (Not George)
Subject: 8514/a vs. other chipsets
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: net
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:24:11 GMT

I'm curious whether the 8514/a is compatible with any other SVGA cards, or
whether a driver might exist to emulate another chipset..? Whenever I run a 
program (such as OS/2) .. it often recognizes my 8514/a (w/1 or 2 megs) as a
Tseng ET4000 - Which has much more support than the IBM 8514/a. Any ideas?
Thanx in advance.

--jp

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From: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Subject: Classic H-P Vectra upgrade questions & H-P service :-(
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:09:03 GMT
Reply-To: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

I am trying to upgrade my "Classic" H-P Vectra and having a very
hard time finding out the necessary info. The GOAL is to increase
the size of my harddisk storage to around 100 MB at minimum cost.

My questions are re ROMs, setup program, DOS versions and
harddisks.

I just ordered ROM upgrades to v A.01.06 to replace my A.01.05.
Does anyone know if I should use a specific version of the setup
program with this new ROM? I currently have v 3.2 of the setup
program. Do I just stick the new ROMs into the same spot on the
processor extension cards as the old ones? What sort of drives
are supported, and can I specify my own info? (H-P won't tell me
unless I pay them $45!)

My harddisk is a 80ms (!) 20MB ST225 and I have a WD-1003-WAH.
What sort of drives have worked for you in this machine? I would
prefer to keep the same controller (minimize cost) but am open to
suggestions. If I'd added a second MFM drive, could I continue to
use my original ST225 even though its size would be different?

I am using H-P DOS 3.1, will this work with the new ROMs? Is
anyone using the generic DOS v5.0 upgrade with this machine? (I
am concerned about partitioning the drive and the 32MB limit
imposed by version 3.1 of DOS) I would like to avoid programs
like SpeedStor etc because this machine is so quirky.

Many thanks for any info you can provide. Please e-mail me
directly if possible since I have a hard time keeping up with
this group.

Esmail


PS:  This machine is not very compatible, and everybody,
     including even H-P acknowledges this. H-P, however willing
     to sell me this machine and (for $80 extra) the technical
     docs (which do not contain answers to my questions) will NOT
     answer my questions about their system without charging me a
     minimum of $45!! This is the poorest support and attitude
     I've encountered. If the machine was as compatible as
     advertised I wouldn't have to go to H-P for specifics. To
     make me pay extra to find out about a product they sold me
     is like blackmail to me.
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From: najem@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Zeyad Najem)
Subject: seeking recommendation for 1/2 Gig IDE drive
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17:26:51 GMT


Hello, 

 I'm about to commit "a financial" Suicide and get myself a 0.5 Gig 
hard drive. Currently I'm looking at both Conner CP3504 and Maxtor
LXT535A. I would appreciate any comments from previous users of these
two drives or if you have a better choice. The best prices I found so
far was 999.00 for the Conner ($1.96/MB) and 1080.00 for the Maxtor
($2.02/MB). If you know of a better deal, please email me. 

Appreciate your help, 

 - Ziad
   najem@cs.uiuc.edu
From: dobrott@convex.com (Paul DoBrott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: PS/2 60 hard disk information. Help!
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:00:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: eugene.dobrott.714247257
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

The model 60 came with either a 40 meg hard disk with a
st 506/412 MFM controller or a 70 meg ESDI hard disk.
I have a model 60 with a dead 40 meg hard disk and as soon
as I obtain a reference disk I will try to use a maxtor 2190
in it. 
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:21699 comp.sys.intel:1482 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:11418
From: adams@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: More on Local Bus - What about Unix?? S3 vs.
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:48:12 GMT
	<1992Aug10.092255.118@vulcan.resmel.bhp.com.au>
	<Bss82v.LJM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: TH-Darmstadt

In article <Bss82v.LJM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>
>   A penalty compared to what? No video?
>
>  What you imply here is that the PC doesn't communicate with its
>   video subsystem if it doesn't have a coprocessor. As a matter of 
>   fact it does. It takes up so much bandwidth that it limits video
>  speed. A coprocessor reduces the amount of stuff that has to be 
>   sent via the bus and that is why we see huge speedups when using 
>   coprocessed video cards.
>

You are right !!!

1) Without a coprocessor, graphic in a PC means bit manipulation by CPU.
This may eat up most of the available bandwidth.

2) As a coprocessor allows to use protocols at a much higher level,
like X or Phigs, communication overhead _shrinks_ tremendously.
This has been proven with PC-graphic adapters running Xserver themselves,
no CPU had to write to video memory anymore.

best, adams




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