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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: he deserved it
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:16:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.081649.21894@ugle.unit.no>, pasand@Mari (Per Annar Sandaune) writes:
>How can they be 'scared'?  They were 4 or 5 (can't remember the exact number) with all kinds of weapons against *one*...

Ha was turned into a Superman by the stuff he had been eating.  When
in the Superman state, he was unaffected by tazers and ordinary guns.
The police would have needed to use garlic but they weren't prepared,
so they had to use what was available.  Or was the garlic against the
witches and satan-worshippers?  Or perhaps it was against vampires.
The police have a hard time nowadays, with all kinds of evil monsters
hanging on the streets, you shouldn't criticize them.  On second
thought, I think it was a mirror they should use against Supermen - to
reflect the laser beams back to the Superman.  But I think their
mirror was broken.  Yeh, that's it.

A bit like the niggers in movies like "Reefer madness".  Reefer made
them unaffected by bullets and rape good white women.  That's why it's
outlawed now.  Or the cocaine-crazed niggers.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
From: galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Re: My summary
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:02:44 MST
Followup-To: alt.rodney-king
Reply-To: galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, CS Dept., Salt Lake City

In article <1992Nov20.081641.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>I will attempt to summarize my understanding of the RK beating.  I 
>welcome disagreements and clarification.  My understanding is based 
>on magazine interviews with LA policemen.
>
>1.  The police officer will always treat everyone like a gentleman, 
>with utmost respect for others rights and dignity.


Wait... are we talking about LA?  ...are we talking about Earth?
When a cop encounters someone, they (possibly subconsciously) classify
that person as being a) good citizen or b) scum.  If the person is
suspected of a non-white-collar crime, the are "scum".  If the person
looks poor, non-white, hippyish, etc. they are "scum".  Upper middle
class men, house-wives, priests, people with "D.A.R.E." bumperstickers,
etc. are "good citizens".  They then treat you very differently
depending on which category they put you in.  Also, even people 
who are "good citizens" get a bit of intimidation, because they all
fall into the category of "civillians".


>2.  The minute someone attacks or threatens to attack a police 
>officer, rule #1 is null and void, permanently.

And remember that reaching in your pocket, making any fast movements,
having something shiny and metal in your car, and sounding nervous
are seen as threats and make rule #1 null and void.

>3.  When rule #2 is invoked, any resistance or refusal to obey will 
>be treated the same as an attack.  This means that when RK tried to 
>get off the ground, it was assumed that his intent was to go after an officer.
>
>4.  When attacked, the officer must respond with the same level of 
>force.  Even though the officers had weapons, they were absolutely 
>forbidden to draw them as long as RK had no deadly weapons.
>
>So, RK had the capability to stop his beating at any time.  That's 
>not to say that he knew that at that time.  According to the 
>interviews, the above is SOP for LA police officers, so that the same 
>scenerio would have happened, irregardless of which police officers 
>were involved.

If King had just lay still and let them beat him, they would eventually
have gotten bored and stopped.  It's only fun to beat people if they
squirm or moan.

>What does it mean?  It is just another reason why I don't like the LA 
>area and don't want to live there.  I think that I would be protected 
>by rule #1, but it just seems too fragile of a protection to me.  If 
>I am not in the right place, doing the right things, and with the 
>right people, a tiny little slip on my part, even accidentally, could 
>put me in danger of a severe police beating.  When the police have to 
>resort to the above strategy for their own protection, things are not good.

Or if your neighbors are suspected drug users and they get the address
wrong...
From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
Subject: Re: he deserved it
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:32:09 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article  <BxMBBD.34s@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, Mark Ryan writes:

 M> >Just out of any curiousity, have any of you reading this ever
 M> >seen the whole tape?  If so, can you post a response?
 M> 
 M> 
 M> I have seen the whole tape and agree that the police were well within there
 M> rights.

 OK, but WHY ? What was on the rest of the tape then ?
 I've only seen the bit on CNN, and that's it. 
 So: WHAT WAS ON THE REST OF THE TAPE !
From: scw@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Stephen C Woods)
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
Subject: Re: he deserved it
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:40:51 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Nov13.073818.28622@ugle.unit.no> pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) writes:
>In article <BxMBBD.34s@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, mryan@cs.ulowell.edu (Mark Ryan) writes:
>|> >Just out of any curiousity, have any of you reading this ever
>|> >seen the whole tape?  If so, can you post a response?
>|> I have seen the whole tape and agree that the police were well within there
>|> rights.
>
>
>Then I guess that the kicking and beating in one part of the video is outwighed by the non-violent part of it??
>
>THAT IS NO EXCUSE.


Well you really should see the entire tape, like when RK (who is a fairly
large fellow) with 2 tazers stuck in him stands up and charges one of the cops,
Yes I can say that they may have been in some fear for their saftey.  Then again
I remember very well the lessons that I recieved in Night Stick, and this BIG
old Gunnery Sargent saying, "Now I don't EVER want to hear that one on my people
hit anyone in the head with one of these (waves a riot stick around) things".

My contention is that (1) The cops were a least a bit scared, and (2) they
over reacted quite a bit.
-- 
-----
Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASNET; 2567 BH;LA CA 90024; (310)-825-8614
UUCP: ...{ibmsupt,ncar!cepu}!ollie}!scw  Internet:scw@SEAS.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
From: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Subject: Re: he deserved it
Reply-To: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:16:49 GMT

In article <8679@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, scw@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Stephen C Woods) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov13.073818.28622@ugle.unit.no> pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) writes:
|> >In article <BxMBBD.34s@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, mryan@cs.ulowell.edu (Mark Ryan) writes:
|> >|> >Just out of any curiousity, have any of you reading this ever
|> >|> >seen the whole tape?  If so, can you post a response?
|> >|> I have seen the whole tape and agree that the police were well within there
|> >|> rights.
|> >
|> >
|> >Then I guess that the kicking and beating in one part of the video is outwighed by the non-violent part of it??
|> >
|> >THAT IS NO EXCUSE.
|> 
|> 
|> Well you really should see the entire tape, like when RK (who is a fairly
|> large fellow) with 2 tazers stuck in him stands up and charges one of the cops,
|> Yes I can say that they may have been in some fear for their saftey.  Then again
|> I remember very well the lessons that I recieved in Night Stick, and this BIG
|> old Gunnery Sargent saying, "Now I don't EVER want to hear that one on my people
|> hit anyone in the head with one of these (waves a riot stick around) things".
|> 
|> My contention is that (1) The cops were a least a bit scared, and (2) they
|> over reacted quite a bit.
|> -- 
|> -----
|> Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASNET; 2567 BH;LA CA 90024; (310)-825-8614
|> UUCP: ...{ibmsupt,ncar!cepu}!ollie}!scw  Internet:scw@SEAS.UCLA.EDU

How can they be 'scared'?  They were 4 or 5 (can't remember the exact number) with all kinds of weapons against *one*...

Sandis
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
From: galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Re: he deserved it
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:29:11 MST
Followup-To: alt.rodney-king
Reply-To: galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, CS Dept., Salt Lake City

In article <92322.215152U53487@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U53487@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>No, the violence is justified by HIS violence.  I'm sick of all these damn
>whiners saying the police shouldn't have acted the way they did.  They shot
>him twice (maybe 3x?) with a damn tazer!  I horse wouldn't be conscious after
>that.  Of course, it would have been a whole hell of a lot easier if they had
>just shot him -- there woulnd't have been as much whining.

This is something I keep wondering about...  The cops and a bunch of other
people keep saying that King was shot wth a tazer 2-3 times and that that 
would knock a horse out.  Somehow this is supposed to show that King was
mean and violent or superhuman.  One of the cops said that it proved King
was on PCP.  Wait a minute here...  The way I understnd it, the effect tazers
have on you is a completely physical effect, going straight to your nervous
system.  PCP alters your perceptions, but can't keep you moving when your
nervous system has shut down.  Being mean and violent is a state of mind and
shouldn't matter if your nervous system is shut down.  

It would seem to me that this suggests that the tazer did not function
correctly or was used incorrectly, or possible King was protected by thick
clothing.


And if we are going to be talking about the stuff on the tape that supposedly
no-one saw, how about the police report that was filed before the cops realized
they were being video-taped?  They did not mention anything at all about 
superhuman strength, PCP, King attacking them, etc.  I'm not sure they even
mentioned the beating in the report.  Once the video-tape was released, they
sudenly had to come up with a reason why they beat him.  It would seem to me
that the beating and all of the justifications would have been mentioned if
the cops were completely in the right.
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
From: grisha@athena.mit.edu (Grigory Golberg)
Subject: Re: he deserved it
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:25:02 GMT

In his article, Greg Alt (or is it Greg Ctrl? :-) writes:

>Well you people in Norway have no idea how things work here...  How are we
>supposed to keep the poor and minorities down if we don't keep beating the
>shit out of them?  Police are justified in beating up social parasites
>whenever they feel like it

Keep the minorities down? Hell, if you call today's situation
the one where minorities are kept down, then you are probably
suffering from some inferiority complex.

Today is the time when the majority is keeping itself down 
so as not to offend the poor minorities. Get a life, pal!

>I say we should just give shoot-to-kill orders to our cops so that they
>can get it all done more efficiently.

Very funny. I personally think that the police *should* be given more 
rights. Why is it that this whole bunch of liberals out there screams
and shouts if a lowlife like king is even touched - I am not talking
even about the attempts to *restrain* him - but when a cop dies
protecting their lives (which are probably not worth it) from a 
bullet or a knife of some creep, no one is making a big deal out 
of it?

Yours truly,
G. Golberg,
Politically Incorrect
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
Subject: My summary
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:16:41 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

I will attempt to summarize my understanding of the RK beating.  I 
welcome disagreements and clarification.  My understanding is based 
on magazine interviews with LA policemen.

1.  The police officer will always treat everyone like a gentleman, 
with utmost respect for others rights and dignity.

2.  The minute someone attacks or threatens to attack a police 
officer, rule #1 is null and void, permanently.

3.  When rule #2 is invoked, any resistance or refusal to obey will 
be treated the same as an attack.  This means that when RK tried to 
get off the ground, it was assumed that his intent was to go after an officer.

4.  When attacked, the officer must respond with the same level of 
force.  Even though the officers had weapons, they were absolutely 
forbidden to draw them as long as RK had no deadly weapons.

So, RK had the capability to stop his beating at any time.  That's 
not to say that he knew that at that time.  According to the 
interviews, the above is SOP for LA police officers, so that the same 
scenerio would have happened, irregardless of which police officers 
were involved.

It's not clear when RK violated rule #2.  Most people would have 
stopped when the lights and siren went on.  Those who don't, often 
have a reason for trying to escape.  One officer estimated that 75% 
of those chases result in a confrontation when finally stopped, 
because often those people are fleeing the scene of a crime or are 
wanted on another charge.  Clearly, from the tape, RK attacked an 
officer and then refused to lie on the ground to be handcuffed.

The above is my attempt at a summary of what I read.

What does it mean?  It is just another reason why I don't like the LA 
area and don't want to live there.  I think that I would be protected 
by rule #1, but it just seems too fragile of a protection to me.  If 
I am not in the right place, doing the right things, and with the 
right people, a tiny little slip on my part, even accidentally, could 
put me in danger of a severe police beating.  When the police have to 
resort to the above strategy for their own protection, things are not good.

(just remembered another quote)  One policeman said that he had been 
beaten by policemen when he was off duty.  He said that he had no 
problem with the policemen who beat him, that they were just 
following SOP, and that he was in the wrong place and wearing the 
wrong clothing.
From: cpluis@cats.ucsc.edu (Mulatto)
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
Subject: Re: he deserved it
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:50:34 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: mingong-ws-1.ucsc.edu



THE REST OF THE TAPE IS WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE BEATING, WHEN RODNEY KING
TRIED TO JUMP ON THE COP RIGHT AT BY HIS CAR, RODNEY KING PRACTICALLY WANTED 
TO FUCK THE COP AND........
WELL I DI
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DESCRIBE THE WHOLE TAPE NOW CUZ I DNO'T HAVE TIME
BUT I`LL GLADLY DO LATER ON...
CP
I`M NOT MULATTO...... IT IS JUST A NAME TO HIDE MY IDENTITY.   HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
From: grisha@athena.mit.edu (Grigory Golberg)
Subject: Re: andrew chase
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:13:07 GMT

In his article Quasimoto writes:

>Mr. Chase, that is the biggest load of horseshit that I have ever read. 
>The idea that CNN instigated the L.A. Riots is insane and racist. 
>Obviously you are just looking for a scapegoat, and refuse to believe that
>the riots might have had something to do with the incredibly poor living
>conditions in South Central.  Get a life and get educated.

Sure. And poor people just NEEDED to loot something. The riots are not their fault.
It's the fault of the whole world that lets the poor conditions in South Central
continue.

Get a life yourself.
From: souzaj@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: re:he deserved it 1470
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:05:57 GMT

We get upset over a king because even a king is a human being and deserved to
be treated as such. Equal upset is heard over a cop being killed. I watched a
news report for four days which dealt with nothing but an officer who was
killed in the line of duty. Cops don't need more rights; some citizens need more
brains. AND if it wasn't for us liberals, honey, we'd still be saddled with
Bush. Now there's conservatism at its best! Family values, my ass. Should've
told that to Bush junior when he got his first S&L ... would've saved me a lot
of money!
From: ab269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John  Laws)
Newsgroups: alt.rodney-king
Subject: book
Date: 22 Nov 1992 23:32:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I haven't read many of the messages in this section so maybe
 the book, Presumed Guilty by Stacey Koon has been mentioned. However,
 just in case it hasn't, I urge anyone who wants to know the "real"
 story behind the Rodney King incident to read this book.
The book is published by Regnery Gateway.
-- 
"Life what a beautiful choice" (Thanks to the Arthur Demoss Foundation)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: jastriet@nyx.cs.du.edu (Julie Strietelmeier)
Subject: Twincom 14.k modem
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:34:11 GMT


I would like to hear from other Sysops out there that have the Twincom
14.4k fax/data external modem. I am running Genesis Deluxe 5.0 BBS
software and find that when I use EMM386.sys under MSDOS 5.0, that my
modem will timeout before connecting when a user calls my BBS. I've tried
using Windows 3.1 EMM386 and Desqview's QEMM programs, but they all give
me the same result. My BBS software is not getting the correct result code.
 
Any one that may also have this modem, I would really appreciate the Init
string that you use and if you use EMM386.SYS.
 
Julie Strietelmeier --- Sysop of CrossRoads BBS (812)342-7107
julie@cel.cummins.com
                
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: ssturgis@netcom.com (Scott Sturgis)
Subject: Re: TBBS versus RA/Netware
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:17:32 GMT

In article <721925399.F00001@illusion.tpg.org> Ronald.Mcgill@f512.n167.z1.illusion.tpg.org (Ronald Mcgill) writes:
>
> RJB> Please, anyone with experience with BOTH RA & TBBS would be wonderful
>
> RJB> =--------------------------------------.---------------
>You should try Maximus 2.00. I just converted a TBBS operator over to Max and
>he's glad he did. No more working with translator programs to make it Fido
>compatible.
>
>Ron


Ron I am curious what translator programs are you using?

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: hoyle@beaufort.sfu.ca (Michelle Hoyle)
Subject: Citadel and Internet
Summary: Interest in Connecting?
Keywords: Internet, Citadel, Unix
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:49:34 GMT


Greetings and Felicitations.

I am running (or was, I guess) the Human Impact Lab (HIL-Vancouver)
with Citadel-86 software from my beloved, Hue, Jr.  I've been
working out methods to exchange messages with other people running
Citadel-compatable boards using the Internet as an exchange medium,
rather than the phone system.  If you'd be interested in networking
using such methods and you meet the following criteria, please send
me some mail.

Criteria:
  1) You need access to your own personal Internet account.
  2) You probably need the use of a mailer that you can use a mail filter
     program with.
  3) You need to have a variant of Citadel that will enable you to take
     messages for an "othernet" BBS out of your own message base.  The
     Citadel-86 utility that does this is called msgout.  (Specifications
     for Citadel messages are available)  
  4) You need to have a telecommunications package such as Procomm or
     Telix and a script file (general form available from me.  You need
     to customize for your system.) to connect to your Internet host
     and swap files around.
  5) Your BBS software needs the capability of running batch files
     unattended - unless you want to swap messages by hand.
  6) You need to be interested.
  
Michelle - The Quirky Blonde Sysop @
  The Human Impact Lab (HIL-Vancouver)
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: TBBS versus RA/Netware
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:06:13 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

> How about UNIX?  You could run a multiuser operating systems
> designed from the ground up to support multiple users tasks?
> 
> With many UNIX based BBS's you get complete source code, and you
> get the ability to support the operating of applications from
> the bbs.

"With many UNIX based BBS's" would imply that there are ~many~ UNIX BBS's.
Perhaps you'd care to point me to a list of known UNIX BBS's?  Naturally,
free/shareware is preferred...

> -- 
> Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
> keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:20:55 -0500 
From: David Reeve Sward <sward+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nintendo to Apologize, sez PCBoard

Excerpts from netnews.alt.bbs: 17-Nov-92 Re: Nintendo to Apologize, ..
by Gregory Youngblood@idss. 
> The point I was trying to make is simple.  People that are copying 
> cartridges had to buy additional equipment (which you have just pointed 
> out).  These people are OBVIOUSLY copying these games and they mean to.
> What reason is there to copy a cartridge? (I am ignorant in this respect,
> as I really see no reason to copy a cartridge)  

Backup?  Seriously.  It is a legitimate reason, especially if the family
has a Nintendo for the kids - and who knows what the kids might do to
the cartridges.
(and no, I've never even seen a Nintendo in person).

Of course, very few of the people who are copying cartridges are doing
it for that purpose.

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.lists.d
From: cjsuitt@iastate.edu (Cheryl J Suitt)
Subject: Re: Ames, Ia area bbs's?
Keywords: ames,bbs
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:57:29 GMT

In <Bxu63n.5Ap@news.iastate.edu> ebseavey@iastate.edu (Erik B Seavey) writes:

>If anyone has information of BBS's in the Ames, Ia area, any info would be
> greatly appreciated.  Thanks
>				ebseavey@iastate.edu

I too, would like the same information please.


-- 
Question # 47

If the barber shaves every man who does not shave himself, then
who shavers the barber?
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: HOLONET? YOu BET!
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 09:52:36 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

neta@iat.holonet.net (Gregory Giagnocavo) writes:

> Jim asked tohear from a Holonet member.
> We are, members/subscirbers of Holonet. It is a fine, inexpensive system
> with far more features than you'd expect for the price.
> Full Internet access, directly connected -so no delays
> And a complete Internet services menu, so you don't have to get lost 
> I recommend it to anyone. And, it is reachable from  almost anywhere,
> since they hae low cost packet switching.
> Also feature full Usenet news groups.
> Greg Giagnocavo
> National Education Technology Alliance


  I agree.  Holonet is the one truely affordable BBS system that offers 
full Internet access, i.e. FTP, Telnet, IRC, TALK, MUDS, etc....

Look out CompuServe!

Damir Matanic

--
damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
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