From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Patriotism sucks (Re:  What the HK governor is doing?  Why?)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:43:01 GMT

In article <By5qF0.6H@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>cshi@mga.com (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>
>>You have done a good work in denouncing patriotism. I consider you as some
>
>As your fellow "patriot" in Iowa, your memory stinks!  I just said
>yesterday on SCC about the subject:
>
>"It's more accurate to say 'THE patriots from overseas lick and cheap'
> (especially when they don't have to go back to China and live there :-)"
>
>This doesn't have anything to do with denouncing patriotim, though you
>may take it as "denouncing loyalty to the gov't" :-)
>
>>what a spokesman for "D-fighters". There might be none-iedeal elements among
>
>Labelling others as "d-fighter" does change the fact that YOU "PATRIOTS"
>love China when and only when you are able to stay abroad, it only makes
>your licking the repressive gov't more disguesting (you even aren't able
>to find a better word than that provided by the gov't you lick :-)
>
>>"patiotic"(I would not even call them patriotic, what those group are
>>advocating is just "please do not do harm to China"!) groups, 
>
>And to be echo bugs of the CCP gov't, who simply repeats what CCP says on 
>whatever issues (and make it sound like that you are so "patriotic" blah 
>blah blah. (simply read the messages under the original subject and compare 
>them to what the gov't says :-)
>
>>as during Sino-Japanese War, anti-Japanese guearilla force
>>were disproptionally from wealthier Chinese, because there had more 
>>spare time and energy to join in. If you "D-fighters" denounce patriatism,
>>please do it oopenly, please do not tell the world that your anti-China
>>activities are only ment for CCP, not China. Please do not use China as
>>step-stone to advance your status in U.S., Please!
>
>Such as getting jobs in netix.com and mga.com, then become a patriot
>from outside of China :-)
>
>>This is my least request for you, a Chinese once before. 
>
>Think about yourselves, "pariots", without Bush's 04-11-1990 executive
>order, how many of YOU "patriots" would be able to stay here making a
>good life with your families while "loving China"???  (Not to mention
>many of you will quietly calim the benefit of the protection bill like 
>many of you have done with Bush's 04-11-90 executive order, while
>condemning "blood carders" :-).
>
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>Bo Xiong in Chicago
Comparing to your people(thugs) sending people to die in TAM, your accusation
of those who are opposite to your stands are just trival. You people should
stand on trial for fraud, even according to U.S.'s law.
You have done a pretty good investigation, problem CIA's funding does help
a lot. Wheather China should have Democracy and how much is a Chinese issue.
I have not taken a stand publically on the net on the issue. any accusations 
are just groundless. The line that no Chinese should cross is that Chinese 
affair should be resolved among Chinese, outside help can only complicate
and spoil the issue. (Majority of chinese are less emsuiastic on democracy
right now than before is partially contributed to the dirty tricks used
during TAM, and impure motivation of the movement.) and it is also unfair to 
the people of other side the argument, most of whom are old generation of
Chinese who have bitter memory of Westen bully.
Not even to say, the "outsiders" still have nuclear missiles aimed at
China. I do not want to see you as a interpretor for U.S. marines
on China's sea shore some day, son!

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