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From: cadets@next06cville.wam.umd.edu (William Michael Putman)
Subject: Re: cadet's t-shirt quote
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:56:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.151504.15560@husc3.harvard.edu>  writes:
> There was some talk a while back about the Cadet's t-shirt  quotes.  I  
didn't 
> see a post with this year's so I thought I'd do it.  This is copied  
without 
> permission from the Cadet's or the author :-).
> 
> 	Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.
> 	Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men 
> 	  experience it.
> 	Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
> 			--Helen Keller
> 
> Does anyone have any info or ideas as to why the Cadet's chose this  
quote
> for this year?
> 
> Posted with permission on Michael's account.  --kim fath


This quote says alot about the corps values, and the reason behind many of  
the shows we choose to perform.  Often times in life to grow you need to  
test the limits of the world we live in, if you were to sit back and do  
well at the normal you'd never attain all you are capable of.  This year  
in particular we took on a highly difficult show, the musical book was  
highly demanding and the drill never seemed to slow down, you could always  
see us running from one side of the field to the other.  Many corps won't  
take a chance on a show of this difficulty and demand.  There were times  
over the early part of the season when we finished showes and nearly fell  
over on the way off the field due to the physical demand of the show.   
However if we had choose to go with an easier show because so many people  
thought it was impossible, we never would have been able to show them that  
it could be done, and done well.  Now that it has been done, we can say we  
have advanced the activity and ourselves, and now we'll attempt to go  
further with another "daring adventure"

Bill
Cadets '91 '92  
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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: Matchpoint
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 22:12:50 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University


The Colts played a piece a few years ago called "Matchpoint".
Does anyone know who wrote it and who recorded it?  I'd like to
get a recording of the original version.

Scott

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From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: A Comment About Zingali & "Two-Seven" in 1980
Organization: OSU, Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:27:35 GMT

In article <DRAPEAU.92Sep11003305@oglala.Stanford.EDU> drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.021813.19199@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:

>You know, 1980 was the first year I saw the telecast.  I didn't know
>at the time who "this Zingali guy" was, but I do have a lasting first
>impression of him being interviewed after the show.  He was bouncing
>off the walls, as I recall, because he was so jazzed about his kids.

I have to agree here, I was watching him the first show of the year (in 79 or 80, can't 
remember), he was standing
in a box of unoccupied seats. When they made the first big move off the line, he got
so excited that he threw his 35mm camera, with telephoto, into the air, leaving it
to crash down in the seats in front of him. He was a very excited boy.

I figured right then and there he was a pretty intense guy, and subsequently,
i alway's was a big fan of their drill. 

-- flip
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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Impressions--DCI Finalsdir
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:11:17 GMT

In article <Bu0Cu9.D81@wpi.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:

>Speaking of smoking drum solos, what are some of the Net's favorite.  Mine are
>(in no particular order):
>(1) Early '80's Spirit "Devil Went Down to Georgia"
>(2) '86 Devils "Channel One Suite"
>(3) '86 SCV (Don't know title)
>(4) '87 Spirit's Bass Drum part

David,
  Agreed on all of the above. How about the following:

'82 27th Lancers "Blue Rondo Ala Turk"
'83 27th Lancers (Henry V or something)
'81-'82 Phantom "Spartacus" sp?
'80,'81,'82 Vanguard (Stone Ground 7, Young persons Guide, Capricio Espangiol)
'83,'84,'85 Devs (Paradox, Karn Evil 9)
'91 Crossmen (the Metheny thing)
'81 Cavaliers "Sing, Sing, Sing"

Just a few tidbits to add to your list...

--Brad




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From: cdoser@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Short Memories
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:36:57 GMT

Bob,
Were you talking about seeing Vanguard or Crossmen?
I saw the 1980 Vanguard show and was just blown away then. But then
I also loved the basis of the music. Can anyone here name the arranger
of the version of Planets that they used? I'm still mad that they got
burned that year. They were ahead of their time. They "Zigged" first,
before Garfield did.

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From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Star in 93 / Jim Prime / Donny Van Doren
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:44:15 GMT

Well netters, I was at the gym yesterday and ran into Jim Prime, 
arranger for Star.  After congratulating him on Star's high brass
award, we talked a bit.  He told me a few things about 93 --
  
  1) Star will be returning to the big symphony sound next year
  2) He will arrange the music
  3) Donny Van Doren will most likely teach the horn line.  So much about
     the rumor of him returning to the Cadets.  Altho Donny teaching is
     not cast in concrete, he will most likely return to Star.

Also, Jimmer said that Star was pleased with their third place finish for
the year.  They started out the season slow and third was beyond their
expectations.  (Altho before finals they thought differently!)

Actually, Jimmer was more interested in what I thought of the pending
Giants and Jets seasons than drum corps...of our 45 or so minute conversation,
only about 15 minutes was on drum corps!  He is a well-rounded guy...and
a really nice guy if you've never met him.  Finally, he shared alot of
the netters thoughts....finals at Madison was nice but like alot of us
he probs won't make it out to Jackson.

He shared some other opinions about the finals placement but I don't think
he'd want those (or expected those) comments to be shared on the net!

Tom
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From: cdoser@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: My comments on Finals and PBS broadcast
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:45:27 GMT

As to annoucers, I had heard that John Tesh had been considered
in the last couple of years. How about if we write to both DCI
and John Tesh to let them know that would be a good idea?
Also, are there any other ideas for announcers in the near
future? I would rather see musicians than sports figures. Although
I might go for someone like a figure skater who does athletic
movement to music.

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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Surprise
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:00:26 GMT

jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl (Jeroen Thur) writes:

>What a surprise to find a group about drumcorps in `nn'. I was a member of a
>Dutch drumcorps for a couple of years (soprano, baritone, contra) but the only
>place to find some info was in Dutch (drumcorps) magazines...
>My question is if only American people join this group or are there some others
>too??

Welcome.  I guess from here on out we'll have to be careful with the NA
distributions.

>PS the only American drumcorps I saw were the Madison Scouts in 1988 in 
>   The Hague (Holland). Amazing, it wouldn't be possible here in Holland. We
>   don't have the spirit, the money and so on. 
>   Anyway, I'd like to hear from you...

I think the only European corps I've ever seen was the Blue Eagles (is
this right?) when the toured the US in '90 (or '91?)  Evidently,
European drum corps has come a long way in the last few years.

Later,
Bob

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From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Re: Fees for Top Corps
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:09:05 GMT

> Bill
> Cadets of Bergen County
> '91, '92

Bill,

I didn't realize that we had a current Cadet on the net.  Let me 
ask you a few questions:
  - how did Cadets feel about coming in 2nd?
  - what did you think of your finals performance?
  - how did you like marching the Cadets?
  - are you marching again next year?
  - any advances on the 93 show?

Thanks,

Tom
Garfield '83



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From: jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl (Jeroen Thur)
Subject: Surprise
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:18:28 GMT

What a surprise to find a group about drumcorps in `nn'. I was a member of a
Dutch drumcorps for a couple of years (soprano, baritone, contra) but the only
place to find some info was in Dutch (drumcorps) magazines...
My question is if only American people join this group or are there some others
too??

Jeroen (jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl)

PS the only American drumcorps I saw were the Madison Scouts in 1988 in 
   The Hague (Holland). Amazing, it wouldn't be possible here in Holland. We
   don't have the spirit, the money and so on. 
   Anyway, I'd like to hear from you...
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Starting A Drum Corps
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:05:32 GMT

ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas) writes:

>   Rivermen, Stillwater: 1979-mid eighties?
>      Probably the most successful TC corps, I
>      think they made top-25 one year, but not sure.

I remember them.  They were pretty big, and they played a really *HOT*
arrangement of "This could be the Start of Something Big" which my HS
band director promptly stole.

They kind of looked like a blue conservative Bridgemen.

Later,
Bob

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From: st891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Andrew Weiskopf)
Subject: DCI Scheduling
Reply-To: st891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:30:12 GMT

I have long been a lover of drum corps, and proudly admit to having two
Cavalier alums as friends of mine.

However, aside from catching the annual "Cavalcade of Brass" when it arrived
in Chicago, and aside from the occasional viewing on PBS, I haven't quite
had a chance to understand the whole DCI system.

When does the season start? How many corps compete? Are there quarters &
semi-finals? Regionals? Are the corps seeded? Nationally ranked? Why is
it that some corps return to the Cavalcade year after year (i.e. Crossmen,
Madison Scouts) and some don't (i.e. Santa Clara, Velvet Knights)? Are those
optional competitions, or is there a set number of competitions which bands
can compete in?

Sorry about all these questions, but I've wondered about these things... If
someone could post the answers, I'd really appreciate it...


-Thanks!

-Andrew Weiskopf
 ST891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
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Subject: Devils' Percussion-what the #@$%*%^($# is wrong?
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:35:44 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Again, I am curious as to why the Devils' percussion is one of the lowest rated
of the top corps.  It was kind of neat to have their percussion caption read 
"6 6 6" (for field, ensemble, and total).  I would much rather it be at least
4's, though.

Is it their battery, their pit, their arrangement, or what?

Any ideas that would help me to figure out why, for the past 3 or 4 years, the
Devils' percussion has finished so low would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

IRC nick-BlueDevil

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From: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com ()
Subject:  Rocky vs Mussorgsky  (was Re: BAC = Boston Crusaders (but why?) )
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 14:51:08 GMT
Reply-To: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In article <1992Sep5.095910.15395@husc3.harvard.edu>,
fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep5.035637.27779@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
|> >BTW, I know I'll shoot myself when I hear it, but who is "BAC"?
|> >
|> >>Dave Owens (BAC member 85,87,88; staff 91...)
|> >>odavid@watson.ibm.com
|> >

|> Speaking of the Boston Crusaders, I personally liked their 1991 Rocky show
|> much better than this year's Pictures show.  The Rocky show was able to
|> generate better excitement.  Why do you think the judges liked this
year's show
|> better?

I'm a drill guy, so this didn't come up too often in critiques for me... but,
as I understand it there was a bias last year against music that wasn't 
"real" enough.  Music from the Rocky movies just isn't as well respected
as Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition.  Sounds a little snooty to me... :)
I agree with you about the excitement though.

I think we may also have gotten credit for doing a wider range of material
(musically and visually) than Boston has traditionally done.  There was
alot more expressive moments in the show, instead of non-stop
hit-em-in-the-face excitement.  

Btw, if any of you saw the corps early in the year, and then again at finals,
you know how far this group of kids was able to go in just a couple months.
Two weeks before the 1st show we had 15 horns at a rehearsal.  The first
couple shows were a bit shaky (some might say disasterous :) ).

 
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Subject: Starting Line - new drum corps magazine
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:10:16 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

At Madison, a new drum corps magazine was premeired called "Starting Line".
It is coming out bimonthly and subsciptions run only $15.00/year (six issues).
Starting Line is being published by three journalism professionals who are
Bluecoats alumni.  

I think Starting Line fills a useful niche in the drum corps market.  It is a
full color, magazine style publication and the first issue had a very 
professional look to it.  This issue featured:

Cover story:  Celebrating 25 years with Santa Clara

Drum corps Midwest:  a tradition in trust 

A rehearsal with Carolina Crown  - nice pictures and report of CC at practice

Summer school?  There's change in the air  - look at longer school year
proposals and its effect on drum corps

Judging - ticks vs buildup

Interview with Marc Sylvester

etc.

People interested in subscribing send a check for $15.00 to:

Starting Line
1830 Toombs Drive
Akron, Ohio  44306


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From: jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl (Jeroen Thur)
Subject: Re: Surprise
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:30:29 GMT

dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:

>Welcome to the group!

Thank you...

>Presumably any site that carries the alt.* hierarchy can carry alt.drumcorps.
>If you tell your friends in Europe about this newgroup, they can ask their
>system administrator to carry it.

>I would be interested in hearing what the drum corps situation is in
>Europe.  Specifically, how many corps and how popular is drum corps?
>How many shows are there each year?  Are the fans fanatical (relative,
>say, to football (soccer))?  What kind of tradition is there for these
>kinds of activities (e.g. military bands, brass bands, concert bands)?
>What is DCUK, DCH, DCD doing to try to promote drum corps?  My list
>of questions is potentially very long, so I will just say that any
>info regarding drum corps in Europe would be interesting to me.

Lot of questions, I'll try to answer all of them:

Here in Holland about 8 drumcorps exist, in Belgium 1 or 2, in Germany 4
and in G.B. a lot more. I don't know the exact numbers. Each corps has a
number of members varying between 40 and 120. There are a number of bands 
(a few) who are thinking of turning into a drumcorps.
Drumcorps is still very unknown in Europe. And if I may say most of the
drumcorps can't reach the level of American drumcorps.
I think mentality is the major problem. People rather join sportclubs like
soccer clubs and people who do join a drumcorps are thought of pussies (?).
Also many people don't have time, there are no drumcorps doing rehearsals
every day during a tour (there's no tour) and even then most drumcorps
only practice during the weekends (some also on a evening like wednesday-
evening). Money is another major problem...
I think each year 6 (drumcorps) shows are given (in Holland), drumcorps
also show on regular brass band-shows (to collect some money).
I don't notice any DCH promotions, maybe I have to visit some contests
to notice. Some corps do something theirselves. Every year a few clinics are
organized, sometimes with instructors of American corps. (I don't know names
but once an instructor of the Blue Devils attended the clinic and once an
instructor of DCA corps (don't remember which one), these were the ones I
visited).
When the Madison Scouts visited Holland it was recorded by a national
television company and a very small part was shown on tv.  In 1990 (?) games
for handicapted were organised in Assen (Holland). A drumcorps existing of 250
people (from several drumcorps) was formed to do a show during the opening.
The whole opening was shown on tv. I think you have to be a member of a 
drumcorps (maybe a relative or a friend of a member) to be aware of drumcorps
here in Holland...

I'll keep reading the group and collect a lot of info to post...

Greetings,

Jeroen (jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl)
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 14:54:51 EST
From: <FCTY7241@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Short Memories
Distribution: usa

SCV played music from the Planets in 1980.  Incidently, this was the first
year they finished out of the top 3 (7th).
Paul Stott
School of Computer Science
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
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From: bertone@rws0.ma30.bull.com (Jim Bertone)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Tape of Broadcast
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:07:56 GMT
Reply-To: j.bertone@ma30.bull.com (Jim Bertone)
Organization: ZDS

Last Saturday was the broadcast of the  finals in Boston (PBS),
unfortunately for me I only caught the Cavies  and  some of the 
Cadets. I would love to get a hold of a video of the full 6 corps
performances and end credits (the picture of George Z ).
So if any you netters could help me out, get in touch and we will
work out the logistics.

	Thanks in Advance,

	Jim Bertone   (j.bertone@ma30.bull.com)
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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Length of shows
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:43:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.035141.24600@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>
>>I think DCI changed the maximum time because the it was getting difficult
>>for corps to maintain the high degree of performance for the longer time.
>>There was an old Contest Guild that addressed this issue, but I don't
>>remember the specific reasons cited.
>
>For what it's worth Michael, my brother and I agree with you completely.

At the time, the only reason cited was the technical difficulty in fitting 2
13-minute shows on a single side of an LP album. That was the only reason
given -- the shrinking of shows pre-dated both CDs and the top-5 broadcast.

When the change went into effect, there was an interview with the current
director of the Blue Devils. He lamented the change for the reasons specified
above -- he felt that that final 1.5 minutes of corps' shows was "what
separated the women from the girls"  -- or something to that effect.

As an aside, CDs were specified to accomodate 70 minutes' worth of recording.
Rumor has it that the designers wanted to make sure that all of Beethoven's
Ninth Symphony would fit on a single CD. In the years since the release, CDs
that record over 80 minutes are fairly commonplace; I have no idea what the
hard limit is these days. Also, there's no technical reason that both sides of
a disc can't be recorded on -- it's purely for marketing reasons that CDs are
one-sided (it gives them a place to label the disc).

--phil


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