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From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Emplant Stuph.
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:16:00 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Latest update to Emplant, Via the UU bbs...

The problem with emplant is -not- OS 1.3/2.04 related.  The problem is
interrupts.  Some machines work, some are so-so, and some crash.  They're
working on the problem right now, and there should be a fix soon for it.

There is also a help file that they have created, as an addendum to the
manual (which lefts lots to be desired).  This file contains a diagram of
the board, and explains the jumpers.  It also contains a text file which
explains the jumpers, and how to install parts on your board.

(If you want it, let me know and I'll mail it to you.)

If there's demand, since the file is only 9k I suppose I could just post it
here...

	-steve


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From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:12:12 GMT

>These comments about "lay off for a week" are appreciated, however, I
>don't understand the reasoning behind them...as the problems are on
>select machines that probably make up 1/4% of existing Amigas (a machine
>that we did not have to test with).  So, if there are other problems,
>*please* bring them up, as we are not hearing real buggy type of problems
>on the phone or on our BBS...just here on the net.

check this out... it appears that all the amiga owners that read this group are of
an elite .25% of the amiga community!!

seriously, I've been quiet on this whole subject, but Jim, please... I've yet to
hear of a *SINGLE* person that has gotten this thing to work....

(sigh)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner)
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:06:38 GMT

In article <17NOV199209462168@summa.tamu.edu> cpw8034@summa.tamu.edu (Alan Wen (409) 693-2924) writes:
>I like to see anyone ELSE post a description of ANY success running the 
>damn thing under any configuration other than strapping a real MacII next to
>his/her Amiga.

Well, with the latest bug-fix "newemp.lha" on UU's BBS, Emplant should 
be working with all non-3000's that use 2.0 or 1.3 roms. (not sure about Zkick)
Of course, you have to be using a '020 or '030 as well.  (sorry)

>BTW, I suggest that all of you better "try" and get your $$$ back from UU 
>before they go under financially.  All it takes is a couple of guys to sue.

Yeah, and all it takes is for everyone to do a "run" on a bank to make it
collapse!  "The Sky is Falling.....The Sky is Falling!" sounds like
 "Emplant is a fake......Emplant is a fake! UU is skipping town with our
 money!" Hell, let's just torch the place!!!  (bunch of rednecks run amok!)

These are the type of statements that start stampedes and produce
idiotic actions from otherwise sane people.

>My advice take your money back and run.
My advice to you (Alan): Just run and keep on running.

What *REALLY* gets me is the fact that most of the people bitching/bickering
now, will be the first to brag to their "buds" how they were the first to 
own Emplant and how GREAT it was!
*OR* the people bitching may not have even odered an Emplant!
If this is the case, why are they bitching?

Now, my advice to sane people:

Keep your emplant board, let UU work out the final bugs.
If UU hasn't fixed the problems in what seems to be a reasonable amount of
time to *YOU*, then send it back.  *YOU* and only YOU, know what that
amount of time should be.  Yes, I would have *LOVED* to have had UU
send me a working Emplant board.  (actually the board does work, sw doesn't)
The *ONLY* reason that UU sent the product as they did was because of the
legal pressure/threats that they got.  So, we are as much to blame as UU!!

I know that last statement sounds a little crazy, but it is true to an extent.
Please, lay off UU and let them finish fixing Emplant.  Would you rather
everyone send their boards back, possibly financially ruining a small 
enterprising company with innovative products for our Amiga, & NEVER see
a MacIIx color emulator *OR*  try a little more patience?  You decide.

At least, "Give 'em a week".  ;)
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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: A-Max II & SCSI drives (mac formatted - SyQuest) HELP!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:00:55 GMT
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Mon 16 Nov 92  6:19, Sarrasin@disuns2.epfl.ch (christian
wrote:

 S> I am having trouble using A-Max II (v2.51 + original A-Max I cartridge
 S> with 128K ROMS) with my 88MB SyQuest drive.

 S> Using a Max IIsi and a formatting utility (ETC Tools v2.0.2), I
 S> prepared
 S> my cartridge in the following way: initialized (=low level format),
 S> put a
 S> driver on it, and then format it through the Mac System. Then I put
 S> some
 S> files on it and bring it home to see how I can read them back using
 S> the
 S> emulator. (I have "Check for SCSI manager partitions" checked in the
 S> Hard
 S> disk/SCSI preferences screen of A-Max)

 S> The emulators starts, brings up the finder (I am running v6.0.5), and
 S> then
 S> a requester pops up, telling me that my SyQuest cartridge is not a
 S> MacIntosh disk, and asks me if I want to format it.

There are several possibilities:

Your Mac formatting utility must either write a driver to the boot blocks
of the cartridge, or it must use an INIT that installs the driver at
boot-up time.

If your utility is installing a driver on the cartridge itself, then the
cart must be in the drive when you boot up your Amiga (so that the Amiga
knows that there is a disk of some sort at that SCSI address) and in the
drive when you activate A-Max (so that the Mac System software can load the
driver from the disk at boot-up time.)

If your utility requires an init, then make sure you have it installed on
your AMax system. Boot Amax up without a disk in the drive, and insert the
disk once the desktop comes up. If that does not work, then try booting
with the disk in the drive, etc.

Use a good quality Mac formatting utility, like FWB. Make sure that you
have it's INIT installed in your A-Max system. Make sure you use this same
utility and INIT at work.

I have used SyQuest disks from work, and also Optical disks and never had a
problem with them, provided that I used the proper INITS in both the Mac
and the A-Max System Folders.



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From: "p. colagiacomo" <p..colagiacomo@canrem.com>
Subject: emulators
Reply-To: "p. colagiacomo" <p..colagiacomo@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:53:47 EST

R J BROWN JR:

What is PC Task?  Is that a emulator?
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From: maxc1169@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Yuan-chi Chiu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: AMAX 2.51 and System7 gives no sound!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:40:17 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

Hello,

    I have just installed system 7.0.1 and tuneup 7.0 on my A3000's harddisk
partition under AMAX 2.51's macintosh emulation mode.

    Most programs works fine.  However, I can't get any sound at all.  I used
Now_Util's profiler and it reported that the apple's sound chip is missing.  Of
course it's missing, but how do I get my sound ability back?

    If I boot up from my system 6.0.4 diskettes under AMAX 2.51 there is sound.

Please help.  (I installed 7.0.1 from he installer diskettes from apple)
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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:43:46 GMT
Subject: Re: EMPLANT Update and comments!!
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations

	
	Art...

	it seems that you attempted to "read between the lines"
	of what I previously posted..... unfortunately, you read
	much of it wrong.  You saw me saying things that simply
	are not in the text of my message.  We apparently
	agree on most all of the issues.... too bad you went and
	read things I never said.

	Oh well...  

	-Mike-

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 08:53:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.080044.29071@netcom.com> fletcher@netcom.com (F. Sullivan Segal) writes:
IMHO, if you want a Mac, you should buy a Mac.  I don't understand the
>obsession with emulators.  AMax bored me to tears.

If you were trying to just play games, then I can understand why.
Personally, I HAVE to use AMax to do work (no choice) and my AMiga for
both work and play.  

Maybe what bored you to tears was not Amax, but rather 
the Macintosh environment itself!    ;)

BTW: My "obsession" with emulators deals with the fact that I can put
     more than $3000 of different computers on a single machine using
     the same peripherals and same desktop space for under $400!
     Call me "crazy" but I don't have $$$ or desktop space to burn.
     Besides, isn't this csa.EMULATIONS?  Aren't we SUPPOSED to be
     talking about emulations here?  Am I on the wrong newsgroup?

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From: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Remember when?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:04:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <BxvuFt.306@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>
>Remember back in June when Emplant worked with all Amigas, all hard drives,
>all 24 bit video boards, and had a 2.04 interface as well?  Remember when 486
>emulation for Emplant was going to be available by Christmas?
>
>"Why own all the other computers when Amiga can emulate them all!" (by July)
>


Remember when c.s.a.emulator WASN'T blatently being used to advertise/support
a commercial product.  Remember when we could read c.s.a.emulators without 
having to read 20 post per day about people whining when this COMMERCIAL 
product would appear?  Remember when real problems got solved on 
c.s.a.emulators?

Oh, the glory days!

Kevin
A rather angry c.s.a.emulators reader!
kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: givler@bermuda.cbm.commodore.com (Greg Givler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: A2286 and A4000
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:09:12 GMT
Organization: Another Amiga UNIX System

In article <1992Nov14.094628.5591@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>Has anyone installed a A2286 BB in a A4000?  Does it work?  What version of the
>Janus software do you have?

Yes, it works fine, but you will need Janus 2.1, which is hard to find 
at this time. I would suggest having your dealer check with Commodore
as to its availability.

>
>
>		Fred

Greg

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From: uk08745@nx04.mik.uky.edu (randy j yarger)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT Update and comments!!
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.233158.7657@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> blanke@bigboy  
(Mark Blanke) writes:


> I AM SICK OF LISTENING TO THE COMPLAINING.  

That is what the 'n' key is for.
People have the right to complain about whatever they want.

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From: pcrayne@halcyon.com (Peter C. Crayne)
Subject: Emplant speed
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:22:23 GMT

Is it possible to run the emplant software in "mac only" mode? In other
words, the amiga side not running, or running only enough to support the
emplant? If so, would a significant speed increase be gotten?

-Pete (Not an emplant owner yet, but soon if it measures up.)

From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:13:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Emplant thoughts
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations

	
	Bob....

	Please point us in the direction of even one single individual
	that does NOT work for UU or is NOT part of the "beta-test"
	program for EMPLANT, that actually has a working product!

	Just one would do!  Anyone out of the hundreds that has dropped
	real cash dollars for this "product".

	EMPLANT is supposed to be a MAC emulator....  no one that I
	know of has recieved a MAC emulator in the EMPLANT box...
	just a PC board and a disk that apparently do nothing in
	particular (except have the strange effect of frustrating
	people and pissing them off)....   So there currently
	is no MAC emulation call EMPLANT as far as I can tell... and
	the folks that claimed "EMPLANT exists!" are probably regretting
	that hasty remark....   A PCB and a disk do not an emulation
	system make.

	UU may still come through, but to what extent I don't know.

	Give me the word on just one single satified user, and I will
	reconsider the "does EMPLANT exist?" question....

	-Mike-
From: jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:27:12 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <92324.025122DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>

>>>68000 support.
>
>>Oh please. Anyone who had any delusions about emulating a Mac on a 68k
>>should have seen this coming. How much is a 25 MHz '030 accelerator going
>>for these days -- $250 list, or about the same as the Emplant.
>
>Why does Jim Drew find it neccessary to advertise features that customers
>later find to be "delusions"? I call that irresponsible (to be nice).
>Isn't Emplant good enough to sell honestly, without lies and hype?
>(Same thought applies to SuperCard and Sybil as well).
>
We may never know if he had 68000 support working, but I agree with his
decision to remove it.  From a marketing standpoint, people would have
complained heavily about the speed, and compared it to AMax.  An unfair
comparison, since AMax doesn't require any tricks to run under 68000.

Personally, I heard his technical descriptions at WOC of how he did the
68000 support, and don't see any reason why it wouldn't have worked.  Any
instruction not supported by the 68000 would generate an Illegal exception,
which can be trapped and emulated in 68000 code.  Odd memory addressing
could get nasty since it would require building things a byte at a time and
shifting, but still, it could be done.  And I have no doubts that it would
be slow.  Someone not willing to upgrade from their 68000 would be better
off with AMax.

I certainly have to second the wishes that Emplant could have been sold in a
more honest fashion.  If they had allowed their working prototypes to be
publically seen, most of this mess could have been avoided.  Under those
conditions, I think people would have been willing to pay 60 days in advance
of shipping, (basically what we ended up doing), if UU needed the money to
finish production, and if people were given a discounted price.  Even if
Emplant never emulates anything else, or only providides a modest
improvement over software IBM emulators, I think that Emplant would still be
a very good deal.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: ss@cch.coventry.ac.uk (WeaponX)
Subject: amiga emulator for pcs
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:45:56 GMT

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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: ATonce Plus & the A1200
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:33:31 GMT

aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox) writes:

>I don't suppose anyone knows whether they will work together??

Not likely.  Doesn't the Atonce plug into where the 68000 goes in a 500?

And as the 1200 has a Surface-mounted EC020... 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: fletcher@netcom.com (F. Sullivan Segal)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization:  bottom up!
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:00:44 GMT

In article <69895@cup.portal.com> jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris) writes:
>>>>68000 support.
>>
>Personally, I heard his technical descriptions at WOC of how he did the
>68000 support, and don't see any reason why it wouldn't have worked.  Any
>instruction not supported by the 68000 would generate an Illegal exception,
>which can be trapped and emulated in 68000 code.  Odd memory addressing
>could get nasty since it would require building things a byte at a time and
>shifting, but still, it could be done.  And I have no doubts that it would
>be slow.  Someone not willing to upgrade from their 68000 would be better
>off with AMax.

Other than being hideously slow, this is simply untrue.  The 68000 exception
frame is unrecoverable due to a bug in the initial design.  That bug was
not corrected until the 68010.  Early Motorola based UNIX workstations used
two 68000's, one running an instruction behind the other, to recover from
a trap.  Obviously that would be impossible with the Amiga.  

Perhaps I'm splitting hairs, since the 68010 is plug in compatible with the
68000, but if you mean the 68010, you should probably say so.
>
>I certainly have to second the wishes that Emplant could have been sold in a
>more honest fashion.  If they had allowed their working prototypes to be
>publically seen, most of this mess could have been avoided.  Under those
>conditions, I think people would have been willing to pay 60 days in advance
>of shipping, (basically what we ended up doing), if UU needed the money to
>finish production, and if people were given a discounted price.  Even if
>Emplant never emulates anything else, or only providides a modest
>improvement over software IBM emulators, I think that Emplant would still be
>a very good deal.

IMHO, if you want a Mac, you should buy a Mac.  I don't understand the
obsession with emulators.  AMax bored me to tears.

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:51:22 EST
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.

In article <1992Nov19.034017.7740@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>,
tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) says:

>In article <92323.190930DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>>What features were pulled?  SCSI?  Disabled because of software bugs.
>Hmm...
>>>what else?

>>68000 support.

>Oh please. Anyone who had any delusions about emulating a Mac on a 68k
>should have seen this coming. How much is a 25 MHz '030 accelerator going
>for these days -- $250 list, or about the same as the Emplant.

Why does Jim Drew find it neccessary to advertise features that customers
later find to be "delusions"? I call that irresponsible (to be nice).
Isn't Emplant good enough to sell honestly, without lies and hype?
(Same thought applies to SuperCard and Sybil as well).

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.emulations:4859 comp.sys.amiga.misc:16881 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:19639
From: sarrasin@disuns2.epfl.ch (Christian Sarrasin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A-Max II & SCSI drives (mac formatted - SyQuest) HELP!!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:11:24 GMT
Reply-To: sarrasin@disuns2.epfl.ch (Christian Sarrasin)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


I am having trouble using A-Max II (v2.51 + original A-Max I cartridge
with 128K ROMS) with my 88MB SyQuest drive.

Using a Max IIsi and a formatting utility (ETC Tools v2.0.2), I prepared
my cartridge in the following way: initialized (=low level format), put a
driver on it, and then format it through the Mac System. Then I put some
files on it and bring it home to see how I can read them back using the
emulator. (I have "Check for SCSI manager partitions" checked in the Hard
disk/SCSI preferences screen of A-Max)

The emulators starts, brings up the finder (I am running v6.0.5), and then
a requester pops up, telling me that my SyQuest cartridge is not a
MacIntosh disk, and asks me if I want to format it.

I tried everything and could not read the damn cartridge. Then I tried to
format it again, going as low as low-level format, but the last step of
the initialization (which is the DOS-level format) always fails.

Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong, or give me a pointer to a set of
utilities that can achieve my goals?

Thanks for any infos...

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