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From: albers@fields.UWaterloo.ca (Sheri L. Albers)
Subject: Update on RFD: sci.math.research.events (was sci.math.research.fields-institute)
Keywords: new group, research institutes, events
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:42:12 GMT


Recently I posted an RFD on sci.math.research.fields-institute.  Based on 
the response,  here are some changes to the original proposition:

>The Fields Institute for Research in Mathematical Sciences is  
>interested in establishing a newsgroup in the sci.math pathway.  A  
>tentative name for this group would be sci.math.research.fields- 
>institute.

The tentative name is now sci.math.research.events

>The newsgroup sci.math.research is inappropriate for our  
>purposes because its focus is on actual research problems and  
>results, not events.

A concern has been voiced that sci.math.research has low volume.  This 
volume would  pick up as researchers continue threads of ideas gained 
from conferences.

>The proposed moderator is Liz Reidt, Executive Assistant at The  
>Fields Institute, and the address for the moderator would be  
>news@fields.uwaterloo.ca.

We propose that sci.math.research.events be unmoderated unless all the 
interested parties,  including other research institutes, can agree on one.

>Any questions or direct comments not  
>posted to the discussion group should be addressed here.  The  
>moderation policy is still under revision. 
> 
>Basically, postings would be about Institute conference  
>announcements and results, seminars, positions available, calls for  
>papers, and other news that would be of interest to a worldwide  
>readership of mathematicians.

Positions available would be routed to sci.research.careers, and results 
would be routed to  sci.math.research.

>Also there would be a summary of  
>events posted on a bi-weekly basis.  Discussions resulting from  
>conferences would be routed to sci.math.research.

background information deleted, e-mail me if you want it

>There will be a discussion on the creation of this group in the  
>group news.groups.  This announcement is being posted to other  
>groups as well as e-mailed to affected individuals.

This second announcement is only being posted to news.groups.

>Once a general  
>consensus is reached and there are no major objections, a follow- 
>up message will be sent and posted regarding the details of the  
>vote.  We encourage all interested parties to tune into the  
>discussion and, when asked to, vote.

Sincerely,

Sheri Albers                           Ph: 519-725-0096
Scientific Support Staff               FX: 519-725-0704
The Fields Institute for Research 
 in Mathematical Sciences              albers@fields.uwaterloo.ca
185 Columbia St West
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 5Z5 
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:27:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.190105.23028@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.203501.26417@uunet.uu.net> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>Create:
>>  comp.unix.usg.svr3         System V Release 3.
>>  comp.unix.usg.svr4         System V Release 4.
>>  comp.unix.usg.misc         Other versions of System III and System V.

>    Usg?  What the heck is usg?  Look, I'm not a rank amateur here, but
>    what about persons just starting out in Unix?  How are they going
>    to know what usg is?

So stick another token in there to represent USG-derived UNIX. The point
isn't that the name be usg, but that those version be grouped logically
together.

Have you a better recommendation?

>    We around Chicago refer to Unix as Berkeley (or BSD), System 5,
>    System 7, SunOS etcetera.  I haven't heard the term usg in ages.
     ^^^^^^^^-- Isn't that an Apple/Macintosh product?
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Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:10:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day):
:- 
:- >	i do not know about the others, but i am someone who would
:- >	like h-d riders to stick to rec.moto.
:- 
:- And who apparently intends to do what he can to impose that desire on them
:- by actively working to prevent the establishment of the forum they actually
:- want.

	i have no intention nor means of "imposing" my desire upon any
	group. i am not working to prevent the establishment of the
	group. rather i wish it were made more clear why such a forum is
	needed by those that advocate it.

:- Yeah - all you say is "put up with it."  You don't even want to leave them 
:- the option to get out!

	a keener observation of USENET (in the rec , soc, etc.,
	hierarchy) would make clear to you what i mean. as long as you
	assume that i am "fighting" h-d riders and the formation of
	the group or that they are "fighting" with me, i doubt you will
	understand what i am saying.

:- >	ignore the extreme, rare, crappy flames, get a sense of humour,
:- >	some pride in you machine *AND* stay in rec.moto.
:- 
:- And this is an example of how you propose to make Harley riders want to 
:- "stick to rec.moto", right?  Trivialize their concerns, question their 
:- pride and their sense of humor, lock all the exits and swallow the key.

	that wasnt addressed towards h-d riders... that was directed
	towards the person i was responding to. h-d motorcycles and in
	most cases their riders are respected by quite a lot of people
	who read rec.moto... a fact that you ignore when you say
	"trivialize their concerns". would you rather i make promises on
	the behalf of the people in rec.moto (who i represent in no way)
	of the type "please stick to rec.moto and we shall exterminate
	all the vermin who say a thing against h-d"?
	
	anti-harley and anti-r.m.h are not the same thing.

	cheers,

	- ravi


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Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.os.coherent,comp.os.minix,comp.os.linux
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:50:24 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Followup-To: news.groups

I don't know if anyone realizes this, but I am _not_ going to include
any comp.os.* proposals in this reorganization.  Nattering about the
relevance of the "comp.unix" hierarchy misses the point: the hierarchy
is in use, and is useful.  There are real problems to be fixed within
it, though, and _that_ is what I'm working on.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Still trying to fix INET with distribution (was: INET groups)
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:28:55 GMT

gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton) writes:

>   This gets us back to the original point: "inet" distribution
>doesn't work. An inet.* hierarchy would.

Why don't we just abandon the inet distribution, and say that Erik
Fair (or whoever else creates inet groups) has the right to channel
mailing lists into newsgroups as he sees fit.  It might be
undemocratic and irritating, but it's essentially the situation that
currently exists, and it would at least eliminate the two different
types of checkgroups messages.
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``It takes a man months and months to reconcile himself to a new hat.  And
  just when you're preparing to send it to the jumble sale, he says, `That's
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From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:11:02 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <1992Jul27.171307.8747@wpi.WPI.EDU>, mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:

|> 	1. i do not advocate voting down r.m.h. (i am not planning to
|> 	   vote no - i am still looking for someone who will tell me how
|> 	   h-d motorcycling is different from the rest so maybe i can
|>|> 	   vote yes).

Oh well...
The weary, downtrodden potential voter, anxious not to miss _any_ possibly
_decisive_ argument for or against the proposal, courageously stems the tide
of inflowing data...

However, it just _might_ be fruitful to readjust the preprocessing filter a 
little, namely:

|> i am still looking for someone who will tell me how
|> 	   h-d motorcycling is different from the rest

This is a fact non-relevant to the question at hand.
_Proponents_ of the creation (I condemn the use of the word _split_, because it
suggests that whatever mass or attraction rec.mot has _at this moment_ will
be split by the creation of _another_ newsgroup) have used the statement above
(Difference between h-d motorcycling and other bikes) in order to try to explain the non-enlightened _why_ _they_ would like the
creation...

...As a _further_ argument...

However:

IN NO WAY DOES THE CREATION OF A NEW GROUP HAVE TO BE JUSTIFIED ON THE BASIS OF
A DIFFERENCE TO ONE OR SEVERAL ALREADY EXISTING GROUPS.


|> 	2. i do not know if anyone went away - so i certainly do not
|>   	   know if i want anyone to come back.

Well, I certainly did; and I do not know if anybody else left after me;
furthermore, I have read quite a few names on the mailing list and on
alt.motorcycles.harley I have NEVER seen on rec.mot...

_JUST conceivably_ these people might be enticed to post to a newly to be created
rec.mot.harley...
And thus the gems of their wisdom be accessible to those poor souls with crippled
data input...


|> 	3. what i do want however is for h-d riders to use rec.moto as a
|> 	   forum for discussion since i feel they are valued by quite a
|> 	   few people who read rec.moto,

We do appreciate the esteem of our dear readership...
Just like the prisoners in Siberia appreciated that Stalin esteemed their 
part in the building of the Soviet Union...

The only difference is that they couldn't leave...
And I could and did.


|> and also that r.m would be a
|> 	   sufficient forum for discussion.

It's a free world;  you have the right to your opinion, and I have the right to
mine.

The only question remaining is whether you have the right to deprive me and others of a 
forum where I can express myself in a way I like, with people I like, in a 
setting I like....

Where we have to note that the creation of such a forum would not infringe upon
yours or others rights... Since those that have left will not come back to rec.mot
if rec.mot.harley is not created...


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From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.aviation reorganization
Date: 25 Jul 1992 22:36:14 GMT

In article <1950001@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, woof@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Wolf) writes:
> 
> If I were King, I'd divide rec.aviation into:

[deleteted text]

> 
>   rec.aviation.events		What's happening where.
> 
> I'd consider, but not feel strongly about:
> 
>   rec.aviation.answers		FAQ stuff.


In most other news groups, these two subjects are combined into a single
announce group which is usually moderated. This is what I would recommend








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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:14:53 GMT

In article <2A6D9A76.7EC6@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva):
>>In article <2A6C16C3.533A@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>>Which is the important thing to be 32-bit: the software, the
>>>motherboard memory, the interface bus, ...?

>>The instruction set.

>The instruction set is the one thing that _doesn't_ matter for the
>proposed group.  "Instruction set" means "specific software" which
>means "you're in the wrong newsgroup, this is c.u.ibm-pc-arch".

The question of what hardware works is inextricably bound with what
drivers are available which is inextricably bound with that the size
of the instruction set is.
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Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: An aside on INET...
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.033651.13905@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> bogstad@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad) writes:
>In article <wTcDoB36w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>>If anyone's interested in taking up this idea, I suggest that we begin by
>>discussing the newsgroups which will be in the JNET distribution.  Here's my
>>initial list:

>	What?  You're actually going to DISCUSS the groups before creating
>them?  You might even let someone convince you to name them differently or
>not create some of them?  Doesn't sound much like INET to me....

I agree. Let's make mathew the JNET group czar and trust him to do the right
thing, no matter that he's known to be a right charlie who should never be
allowed to run a lawnmower. We'll stick together through thick and thin, 'cos
the lollies in my pocket are starting to melt...
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Alternate groupings in rec.aviation re-organization
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:24:44 GMT

In article <9207222051.AA06891@rascal.ics.utexas.edu> rdd@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (Robert Dorsett) writes:
>GROUP I: Must have.  The re-organization fails if these don't pass.

Why? 

>1.  rec.aviation.misc          A group that all rec.aviators should read.

If this group fails, it will be called rec.aviation. Same purpose,
different name. 

>2.  rec.aviation.soaring       Soaring/ballooning/hang-gliding.

1. If you want to separate unpowered flight you should call it
unpowered. 

B. Wasn't this group suggested all by itself not too long ago? Why
shouldn't it be created if a vote for it passes but other votes don't?

>3.  rec.aviation.powered       Powered general aviation aircraft/flying/etc.
>4.  rec.aviation.powered.ifr   IFR flight.

The rules apply to everyone. Why split out IFR from VFR? Do VFR pilots
never encounter IFR? Are all those NTSB reports that say that they
sometimes do, with disasterous results, lies?

>5.  rec.aviation.answers       Maintenance group, moderated by Peck.
>8.  rec.aviation.maintenance   A bit too technical for "misc," but not

Two different branches for the same thing?

[twentynine groups, from r.a.atc to r.a.student, deleted]

I think they should all be created. It's only the net. It isn't real
life. Why stop at 38 (nine numbered groups + 29 unnumbered ones)?
From: chrielli@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Chris Ellington)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:06:49 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

In article <03nmn3d.n1gak@netcom.com>, n1gak@netcom.com (Scott Statton) writes:
> In article <Bs4Fr0.77F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:

 stuff deleted...

> more encompassing "peripherals".  With 50% :-) I'd suggest that there is
> a m.f.c.discussion, for flamewars on "user <foo>@<machine> is a slime"
> or "UPS scrwed me" or similar meta-discussions on how-to-go-about-selling.

I think that m.f.c should stay the way it is due to cross-posting.  However,
if a split is going to happen, I would like to see a m.f.c.d group for all
of the "I got screwed by UPS" or "I got screwed by user@foo.bar".  

Just my $.02 worth...

---
Chris Ellington
Ball State University
chrielli@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:58:01 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl):
:- In article <1992Jul20.153947.6955@wpi.WPI.EDU>, mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
:- |> 	me that if the mailing list is large enough to justify creation
:- |> 	of a news-group, then if these people just "returned" to r.m
:- |> 	they should collectively be able to handle any anti-hd stuff.
:- 
:- WHY THE F*** SHOULD WE HARLEY RIDERS BE FORCED TO HANDLE _THE STUFF_??

	forced? i do not recall using the word. u have another option:
	ignore. (the way i ignore newbie-bashing, jap-bike-bashing etc).
	*i* believe there h-d issues are not separate issues and belong
	to rec.moto. if you want me to vote yes convince me otherwise.

:- Who are all of you guys telling US what we should be able to handle?

	i do not know about the others, but i am someone who would
	like h-d riders to stick to rec.moto.

:- Anybody living in rec.mot can live with whatever she or he wants.
:- Just don't force other people to put up with it or get out.

	put up with it or get out is what *you* say. what i say is
	ignore the extreme, rare, crappy flames, get a sense of humour,
	some pride in you machine *AND* stay in rec.moto.

	happy riding,

	- ravi

	disclaimer: my opinions is no way reflect those of Worcester
	Polytechnic Institute. the loss is not mine.

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From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:39:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude):
:- 
:- It would also be a moot venture to explain the ideas behind Harley Davidson
:- motorcycling to someone who has never been on one.  Let me instead ask you
:- if you have ever taken the trouble to test ride a Harley Davidson?

	i have had occasion to ride with a couple of friends of mine who
	ride harley davidson motorcycles. i have ridden one of the
	motorcycles a few times, but that would hardly provide me a
	complete insight into h-d motorcycling, if such a thing exists
	unique from general motorcycling. in fact, these are the reasons
	that prompt me to request the h-d riders to stay with r.m.

:- >         there is quite a lot of
:- >         japanese bike bashing in r.m as well as support for h-ds...
:- 
:- The ratio of HD bashing to japanese bike bashing is so high as to make
:- the japanese bike bashing insignificant in comparsion.

	which is how it looks from a h-d riders point of view. as a
	person who rides a jap bike, i find quite a lot of jap bike
	"bashing"... i just take them with a pinch of salt.

:- every comment about oil leaks, waving, trailering a bike, breakdowns,
:- sluggish performance, posing, etc., all bring on some Harley bashing.
:- 
:- >         a considerable number of rec.m readers ride harleys.
:- 
:- Actually, precious few r.m posters ride Harleys.  My wild guess is less
:- than 1% of the regular participants ride a Harley and the number may be
:- more like 0.3%.


	i would put it at more. add to that h-d sympathisers and the
	fact that there just are "more" jap bikes on the road and hence
	on the net, and things may not look as bleak as it may seem.

	i shall try to return with some statistics... but you know how
	successful opinion polls are on rec.moto!

	happy riding,

	- ravi


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:48:52 GMT

I wrote:
>>>>Actually, I was going to suggest pulling comp.os.{minix,linux,coherent} into
>>>>the comp.unix world, IF THAT'S OK WITH THE READERSHIP OF THOSE GROUPS. That'
>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In article <1992Jul21.122519.350@csx.cciw.ca> hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley) writes:
>What do you mean by 'pulling'?  Do you mean to have comp.unix.coherent, 
>comp.unix.linux, etc.

Yes. And I agree that having them under comp.os makes them harder to find,
and makes it less obvious that they're viable alternatives to the AT&T derived
systems. Plus, it seems that the apple2gs folks are leaning towards putting
their GNO group under comp.unix instead of comp.os, so why not take advantage
of the situation?
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Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032