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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Questions Regarding Boarding Passes and Rental Cars
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:35:28 GMT

sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner) wrote: 
->In article <1992Dec29.002534.13107@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
->|>sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner) wrote: 
->|>->Sorry if these are FAQs; I don't read this group regularly.
->
->|>read: "sorry that i'm too damn lazy to do the right thing, even though
->|>i'm asking all of you a favor by asking this question."
->
->Please, Henry, enlighten me.  What, exactly, is "the right thing" in your
->view?  Should I have taken 5 hours and read through 600+ articles to make
->sure that I don't ask a question that's been asked before? 

any moron with half a clue can use the feature of his/her newsreader
which will list articles by subject (hint: replies to your article
will usually have a related subject field) to identify items which
he/she might want to read.

->Gee, thanks.  I didn't use a travel agent; I bought my tix directly from the
->airline.

too bad for you.  like i said: you can still go to a delta ticket
counter (these aren't all at airports, you know; pick up your yellow
pages and look under "airlines" ... all the major airlines have ticket
counters in big cities).

->Every travel agent I've ever used has been completely incompetent. 

as competent as you are, apparently.  

travel agents can only respond to your requests; if you are
inarticulate then you can't blame them for bad results.   certainly
some travel agents aren't as good as others, but to paint the whole
industry as incompetent is unreasonable.

-> ... They have
->almost no knowledge of the travel industry and appear interested only in their
->commision.  Hence, I do not use agents.

instead, you ask people on the net what you could have asked a
competent travel agent.

->A bit cranky today, Henry?

only when confronted with buttheads like you.

->Yes, it's a very clever arrangement.  I'm sure no
->one has ever heard of "fly/drive" deals or other kinds of discounted car 
->rentals when air travel is involved.  Thanks for your help.

once again: travel agents do this stuff.   

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:57:55 GMT

In <1992Dec31.224326.28845@news.media.mit.edu> geek@media.mit.edu
(Chris Schmandt) writes in response to a question about the 'besy
seats' on a 427-200::

>You probably want to sit "up top".  Your mileage may vary; on UA the

On the airlines I have flown on 747s (AC, CP, KLM) these up top seats are
business class (the class between economy and first).  Is is not the
case with other airlines?

Stan Jones (sjones@ccs.carleton.ca)      ()
Centre for the Study of Adult Literacy  |\/|
Carleton University                     o  o
Ottawa, Ontario                         |  |
K1S 5B6                                  \/
From: schuster@shpptl.edag.ptdg.sharp.co.jp (Bernd SCHUSTER)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: ual #918 from iad to
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:35:34 GMT
Organization: Production Technology Lab., SHARP Corp., Tenri, Nara, Japan

In article <1h42tqINNjaa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ci580@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael J. Schofield) writes:
>>Not being sarcastic, but WHY did it HAVE to be a 747-400?  Is it a 
>>more comfortable plane?  Better seat pitch?  Safer?
>Yes, similar question. What difference will I notice travelling on a
>747-400 instead of a 747-200 or 747SP (all with United). Newer doesn't



The 747-400 is very quiet compared to the older models and the restroom-
facilities are improved and will work even after a 12 hour flight. I think
the airconditioning is improved, too.

Bernd Schuster								University of Passau
SHARP Co.   								8390 Passau
Tenri, Nara, Japan							Germany
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Questions Regarding Boarding Passes and Rental Cars
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:31:59 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Scott D. Brenner <sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com> writes:

	Every travel agent I've ever used has been completely
	incompetent.  They have almost no knowledge of the travel
	industry and appear interested only in their commision.

That's a pretty broad brush to paint the industry with.  I've had
several agents over the years that have been quite competant.

Suggestion: spend more time looking for a good travel agent than
flaming (or baiting :-) Henry.

-----

Two semi-answers: 1) No, you cannot get boarding passes through the
mail unless you get them at the time of ticketing and the ticketing is
done through the mail.  Often this is not possible, since if you're
being ticketed through the mail, you're probably getting advance
purchase tickets, and many airlines won't give boarding passes more
than 30 days in advance of the first leg of an itinerary.  Call the
airline and ask if they have a ticket office near you.  Talk to an
agent and see if they can get you boarding passes.  Do you have a
reserved seat?  If so, you can just get your boarding passes at the
airport on the day of your flight.  2) Fly/Drive offers abound.  Call a
good agent.  Call the airline.  Call the rental agency.  Don't know
which one?  Call them all.  Look in the back of the Sunday New York
Times for other deals.

-----

Proposed one-question-one-answer FAQ:

Q: How do I _______?
A: Cultivate a good relationship with a professional travel agent.

/jordan
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From: brv@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Balaji Venkatraman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: freelance courier - any takers
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:01:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

hi,

I am looking for an opportunity to fly as a freelance courier 
to India. 
I have no restrictions on when i can travel, though i would need
a weeks notice. Also i don't mind flying out of any city in US and 
flying into any city in India (i prefer Jaxsonville <-> Bombay :-)

If anyone is interested or has further information, please contact
me. If i am not available, please leave a message.

Thanks and regards,


Balaji R. Venkatraman		     Internet:  brv@cis.ufl.edu
Computer and Information Sciences    Phone : (904) 392-1491, 392-1200 (office)
University of Florida                        (904) 372-3135 (home)
Gainesville, FL 32611.		     Fax   : (904) 392-1220
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 07:59:24 MST
From: <ATJMO@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Phoenix to Grand Canyon - suggestions?
Distribution: world

Try driving north on route 17 to 89A through Sedona and Oak Creek
Canyon, if the weather is nice -- it's a beautiful drive.  In the Flagstaff
area, there is x-country skiing at the Nordic Center (about 16 miles NW of
Flag on route 180) or SE of Flag at Mormon Lake.  A very useful resource
in Flag for information of all sorts is the C of C Visitor's Center right
on route 66.
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From: rub@aero.org (Jerzy W. Rub)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Brussels-Auckland return ticket
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:18:13
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, Los Angeles, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: eluyten@rc1.vub.ac.be's message of 30 Dec 92 16:02:30 GMT

Last year on my flight to Auckland I met two women who each decided to
travel from London via Los Angeles.  They said it cost less to do it that
way and the travel time wasn't that much longer.  You may want to consider
this option, too.  United will get you there via either Washington and Los
Angeles, or via London and Los Angeles, or via London, San Francisco and
Honolulu.  They may allow stopovers if you are interested.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Hotels in Florida Keys area...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.152114.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> olaf@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
> In article <ofEPOiC00iV3Q1CIl9@andrew.cmu.edu>, mk69+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Knapp) writes:
> > Doesn't anyone get annoyed by these type of requests?  I mean, all you
> > have to do is go to a local library, or AAA office, or even call an 800
> > number to get this kind of information.  Are these poeple just stupid or
> > lazy.  
> 
> Sorry Mark, I disagree. I live in Newfoundland, where there is no AAA (
> efforts to establish branches invariably fail because our island market
> is too small). ...

True, but the original poster was from Purdue, and should have no trouble
getting at least *some* information through normal, non-Net channels.  If
he wants to ask something difficult ("Are there any hotels in Key West that
have Mystery Weekends and are gay-friendly?") that's one thing, but if he's
looking for generic hotels, he should look elsewhere.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
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"Albert, stop telling God what to do."  --Niels Bohr
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: scott@hpqtdpa2.sqf.hp.com (Scott Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Travel by merchant ship
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:53:53 GMT
Organization: HP,Queensferry Telecoms Division, Scotland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL7]

R.J.Hare (ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: Once upon a time, it was possible for travellers to move around the world as
: passengers on commercial ships - such ships would have a passnger cabin or
: two, and I guess that one could go to real out of the way places by this
: method. I believe for example that the Geest company used to do this (and I
: will be writing to them to check if they still do).
: 
: Does anyone out there know af any other shipping lines which (still?) do this?
: 
: Thanks.
: 
: Roger Hare.

Can't comment on the realities but for a good read on such trips try
"Slow Boat to China" and "Slow Boat Home" by Gavin Young - they are
very good travelogues on his round the world trip by cargo ships.

                                                     Scott
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.japan
From: merchant@cbnews.cb.att.com (shahrukh.s.merchant)
Subject: How to get from Osaka Int'l Airport to Shin-Osaka station?
Reply-To: shahrukh_merchant@att.com
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:16:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel

For various reasons, I will be flying into Osaka although I really want
to get to Tokyo.  I assume the best way to do this is to take the
Shinkansen to Tokyo station from Shin-Osaka (correct?).  My question
is what is the best way to get to Shin-Osaka station from Osaka airport.

Information that's a few years old tells me that I should take one of
the "limousine" buses that do this route.  Is this still the best way?
Is there now a train station at Osaka airport and, if so, is this a
good option?  I will have luggage but nothing I cannot carry myself
over short distances (not in a crowded commuter train, though).

Other related questions:

1. How long will the trip from Osaka airport to Shin-Osaka station take
   and how frequently do the buses run?
2. Is there a JR office or travel agency where I can buy Shinkansen
   tickets at Osaka airport?
3. I will be arriving at 4:00 p.m. on Saturday, 9 Jan.  Will I have any
   problems getting a seat on the train without an advance reservation?
   (I have not been able to determine a way to make a train reservation
   from the US--is there one?)
4. Can someone with easy access to a timetable tell me which would be
   the 2 or 3 express trains I should shoot for based on my arrival
   into Osaka airport at 4:00 p.m. on Saturday (times and platform
   numbers)?
5. I will not be getting a JR pass since it will not be cost-effective
   for my itinerary, but I do have a question about it: is a "7-day" pass
   valid for 7 calendar days (i.e., till midnight of the 7th day) or
   for 7x24 hours (till the time and day of first use a week later)?

Thanks!

Shahrukh Merchant
shahrukh_merchant@att.com
From: dianat@redsun.pps.rain.com (Diana Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: ----Puerto Vallarta Timeshare - 1/2 price
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:16:04 GMT
Organization: Portland Public Schools, Portland Or.


		PUERTO VALLARTA TIMESHARE FOR SALE

	One week, one bedroom condo in Puerto Vallarta.  Week is #50
(December) and the resort is next to the beach with pools, restaurants, 
parties, lots of other activities, and not far from the city and airport.
It is possible to exchange this week for prime time at other resorts 
worldwide.  Resort is Villa del Mar and and is run by UVC.  Price is less
than 1/2 of the original cost -- change in circumstances prompts sale.

			$4000 or offer
		      Diana Thompson (503) 699-5028
	
-- 
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Diana Thompson				     dianat@redsun.pps.rain.com
Portland Public Schools				(usual disclaimer here)
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From: cmbr01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.penpals
Subject: Re: Looking for people familiar with Amstredam
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:27:36 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


In article <1992Dec21.202959.2350@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Rishi.Kumar@launchpad.unc.edu (Rishi Kumar) writes:
> 
> I am going to be in Amstredam on the 26th of January for a few hours.
> 
> Any suggestions as to what would the possibilities be ,
> to spend my time wisely exploring the popular tourist attractions
> there, looking around? I was looking for the predominantly romantic spots
> that I can explore (by myself) in preparation for the future (deep sigh)
> 
> And what about the language?English wouldn't be OK I guess. Also what
> would be the sources of finding some literature in the US?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
> RIshi Kumar
> UCONN
> --
>    The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>            internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80


Why do you not connect to the soc.culture.netherlands newsgroup.
Many Dutch people speak English and I am sure they could give you
some good, up-to-the-minute advice.
Adios, J.
From: juanman@photon.com (Juan Castaneda)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Wanted:  CABO Rental in FEB
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:52:56 GMT
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


 I am interested in renting a home or condo, even a time-share, for
 4-5 days in Cabo San Lucas during the month of February.  Any information
 can be e-mailed to me, snailed mailed to P.O. Box 281, La Jolla, CA 92038,
 or call (619)625-2210.

 Muchas Gracias In Advance,



 Juan Manuel Castaneda
From: lhess@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Leah Surber)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Denver - Christmas displays
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:31:04 GMT
Reply-To: lhess@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Leah Surber)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC


I will be just outside of Denver for Christmas and will be looking for
some Christmas attractions, lights, exhibits, etc. in the city.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Leah
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From: maven@lerc.nasa.gov (Larry Fishbach)
Subject: Re: Stop advertising on the net (was: Adventure Travel in the Ex-USSR)
Reply-To: maven@hercules.lerc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:31:00 GMT

In article <2698@cronos.metaphor.com>, pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens) writes:
> In article <9212151038.aa01087@printam.mkniga.msk.su>, glytenko@printam.mkniga.msk.su (Alexander Glytenko) writes:
> |> 
> |>     A D V E N T U R E  T R A V E L  I N  T H E  ex-U S S R
> |> 
> |>                   *  W I L D   W O R L D  *
> |>                         Travel Company
> |> 
> [Advertisement for travel agency deleted]
> 
> Why is this company continuing to use rec.travel as a forum for their
> travel agency advertisements?  What can we rec.travel readers do to 
> curtail this misuse of USENET?
> 
> |>      
> |>      Sincerely Yours                Alexander Glytenko,
> |>                                     President of Wild World
> |>                                     Travel Company
> 
> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
>    Paul Stevens                        {apple|decwrl}!metaphor!pstevens
>    Metaphor Computer Systems           pstevens@metaphor.com
>    Mountain View, CA

How about every time they post an ad everyone hit them with a reply
telling them how it doesn't belong.  After a few thousand messages
of that nature, they might get tired of reading them (afraid to miss
a real customer) and quit.
 
-- 
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maven@hercules.lerc.nasa.gov   Larry Fishbach @ NASA Lewis Cleveland Ohio
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From: aghanda3@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Air Ticket for Sale: CA -> FL
Date: 26 Dec 92 04:03:43 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

	Tow air tickets for sale:

	Departure: Irvine, CA (30 min. from L.A. and 50 min. from
		   San Diego). 1/4/92, 8:58a
	Arriving:  Orlando, FL. 1/4/92, 6:29p
	Price:     $155 each or best offer
	Contact:   this account or call (714) 854-6278
From: msoques@mozart.amd.com (Martin Soques)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Ski resorts near Raleigh, NC?
Keywords: snow, snow, snow
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:10:13 GMT
Followup-To: sender
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

Where are the ski resorts closest to Raleigh, NC?  Would appreciate some tips.
Please reply via e-mail.  Thanks in advance.

Marty
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Guidebook for Guatemala?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:10:08 GMT

I might be traveling to Guatemala in the next three months, and I need an
up-to-date guidebook for Guatemala.  I am looking for a guide which lists
bus routes/costs, tourist planes to Tikal, market days for various cities/
regions, etc.

I have a book at home titled "Guatemala Guide" which is about 4 years old.
This is similar to what I am looking for.

Thanks for any help,

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
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From: gworoch0@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.marketplace
Subject: SF=>Houston=>Wash DC 1-way ticket for $100/bo
Date: 22 Dec 1992 01:31:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: olsen@bnlux1.bnl.gov (robert h olsen)
Subject: Info on Alameda, CA ?
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:04:21 GMT


I'll be attending a training course in Alameda (at Wind River Systems)
sometime in February and I figured that many readers of this newsgroup
might actually live in that area, and might have some information that
could make my visit more enjoyable.

Wind River Systems suggested a few hotels in the area including:

The Waterfront Plaza Hotel
10 Washington Street
Oakland

Marina Village Inn
Pacific Marina
Alameda

Garratt Mansion
900 Union Street
Alameda

and
Executive Inn
1755 Embarcadero Drive
Oakland

The classes are a Monday through Friday type deal and I'll probably be
arriving and leaving on surrounding Sundays.
I've been to S.F. before, only for a long weekend, not long enough, and
never made it to Oakland. Had to do the touristy stuff then: Wharf,
GG Bridge, China Town, Muir Woods, Sausalito, Lombard St, I know
I missed alot. Any comments/suggestions on the above hotels and or what
I should try to catch/see/taste in the area in my solo time away from
the class would be appreciated.

My interests are varied so info on anything from museums to
bars will be welcome.  Preferably places where one can go alone
without feeling terribly uncomfortable.

Since this probably doesn't have much appeal as a general destination
perhaps you could respond to me via e-mail rather than through a
posting if you've got some input concerning beautiful Alameda.

Thanks in advance.

Bob Olsen

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: What to do in Spain
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: Spain
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:24:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.225547.13145@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> scallan@athens.jsc.nasa.gov (-BJS-) writes:
>Ola,
>
>   I am planning a trip to Spain (for my honeymoon) and am curious about what
>recommendations people may have regarding several items...
>..is the better method of travelling, train or rental car?  For instance,is it
>possible to take a train to the majority of towns or is the rail network less
>dense than its European neighbors??  

The rail network is not as dense as in Northern Europe, nor is service as
frequent.  The combination of bus and train will get you to most places,
but infrequent service and poor connections will cost you time.  I didn't
rent a car when I was in Spain, but I had to rule out some destinations
because they would have involved overnight stops enroute; you will often
find that your train or bus arrives in city xyz after the last (or only)
train for city abc has departed.

> 1) . Ibiza 
> 2) . Majorca 
> 3) . Gibraltar area, 
> 4) . Pamplona 
> 5) . Cartagena 
> 6) . Canary Islands 
> 

I would strongly recommend some destinations near Madrid: Segovia,
Toledo, Salamanca, El Escorial, Avila (sorry, no accents).  No beaches,
but you'll always be able to see another beach, while some of the things
you'll see in Spain exist nowhere else.  There are lots of places I've
seen once and loved them, but don't feel the need to go back; but if
someone told me I'd never be able to go back to Spain, it would break my
heart.

Barbara Vaughan