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From: marilyn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marilyn Angell)
Subject: Re: WHat about those lousy skinny people?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:04:54 GMT

In article <1935p4INNcch@agate.berkeley.edu> mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu () writes:
>only about 5 pounds. Can someone please explain to me how to get it through 
>the thick but loveable skull of a non-dieter how to be supportive? Telling
>me "You are fat" is just getting a bit tiresome.
>
>Amy Mossman
>Center for EUV AStrophsyics

I can sympathize with your problem -- my boyfriend cut out his lunchtime
potato chips and afternoon soda, and lost 5 pounds!  (Life's not always
fair.)  We've tried every approach to "diet" support known to man -- with 
very poor results.  Telling me not to eat things just irritates me, and 
I tend to end up eating for revenge.

I have found that the best way to get started losing weight is from the
exercise end -- and it is here that he may be more helpful, as well.
There's something psychologically different about someone rolling up his
sleeves and joining the battle, rather than just telling you what to do.  
See if you can come up with an exercise you can do together -- in our
case we found cycling and rollerblading to be good sports.  If you're 
at two very different levels of fitness this may not work, but it's the
best form of diet support we've found so far.  (Plus, it's FUN!)

As far as eating is concerned, encourage him to set a good example
around you, at least.  If he's stuffing his face in front of you, it's
just going to make you jealous (not to mention hungry).  Get him
involved in choosing lowfat, low-calorie, nutritious meals, rather than
just slapping you around, physically and emotionally.  

If you find a strategy that works, please post it!!  You may save more
fat/skinny couples than you realize...

Marilyn

From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:49:01 GMT
Subject: Re: vacation from hell
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Looks like it was a bit of a bummer, but I suspect you found the clue
to the problem.  Quoting roughly:"looks like I went too long without
eating".  I haven't done much travel, but in a trip to Disneyland, I
did some planning; in a hip pack, I had a couple of raspberry/yogurt
Fibars (ecch, too sweet, but I'm allergic to almonds) and a bunch of
dried fruit bits.  Between those and some careful eating at D-land
(plain baked potato for lunch, and Pasta Primvera at the Blue Lagoon
for dinner), I ended up 1000 calories *below* my requirement for the
day.  The prime bit for me was to avoid walking into the Blue Hell
too hungry.  Serious hunger and I might have reacquainted myself with
the Monte Cristo Sandwiches or worse..

As somebody (me?) once said: "Self-control and will-power have their
place, but you can't live on will-power alone."  Various behaviorists
have urged me to have some kind of contingency plan.  I've been
pretty successful at that, so far.  Now, if I could only do my
finances as well....   :-|

Pete Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:36:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep10.034744.11303@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton) writes:
>So... how do y'all deal with the temptation of... TEMPTATION?  How can
>being nutritionally conscious compete with the idea of complete hedonism
>and the liberty to choose freely what you ingest?
>
>Tom

Hi Tom!

I have experienced the feeling you describe and I need to tell you
that it never really lasts all that long. My most frusterating
experience in life was when I quit smoking, I saw cigarettes
everywhere and I wanted to smoke SO bad! I cried sometimes with the
sheer frustration of knowing I would never have one again!

First off, try to trick yourself into thinking that you can have
whatever you want, TOMORROW! By the time tomorrow arrives, the craving
may me more manageable. Just stall yourself until you are feeling
stronger and less vunerable! Also, try to do something to distract
yourself when you are feeling bad, a movie, a walk, an aerobic
workout? I gave myself ONE clear priority and that was not to give in
to temtaption NO MATTER WHAT! That means if I need to run out of a
grocery store, leaving the cart behind and speed out of the parking
lot, well, I am outta there!!!!!

Actually it gets better with time. I never even think of smoking
anymore! After a month or two off of fat and sugar they become a vague
memory for me too! Time really heals all wounds. Remember,It will get
better!!!!

Best wishes,

rf
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Low-fat Chinese option
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:47:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Around Penn, where I work, there are all these trucks that sell
various foodstuffs.  Many of them sell Chinese food, which I love.
One of my co-workers recently clued me in on a great way to eat
Chinese low fat:  order chicken and vegetables steamed, no sauce,
with hot sauce on the side and some soy sauce on top.  Steamed rice,
too.  I'm eating it for dinner right now, and it's great.  Not oily
at all (my chief gripe about most Chinese food).  I imagine one could
do the same thing at Chinese restaurants as well.  

Bon appetit!

-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

I believe we are on the irreversible trend toward more freedom and
democracy -- but that could change.   -- J. Danforth Quayle  
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton)
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:56:03 GMT

What can't you spread on a sandwich???

Try:
CRANBERRY SAUCE
APRICOT JAM       (these two especially good w/ turkey or ham)
YOGURT CHEESE
PUREED VEGGIES    (esp. cucumbers or cooked eggplant)
LITE MAYO         (very light)
SALAD DRESSINGS   (fatless, please)
TOFU
BEAN DIP          (make it yourself!)
MINT JELLY        (yummy with deli meats-- be sparing)

And the list goes on......
							Tom

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From: howard@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Howard)
Subject: Re: Water weight!?!?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:59:56 GMT

dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths) writes:

>Hi! Does anyone else have MAJOR problems with water weight? I can gain
>about 3-6 pounds with just water weight and I really do not know what
>is causing it. I do not use salt at all when I cook so that cannot be it,
>and it does not always happen at the same times each month. It gets really
>frustrating since when I have the water weight (which has been bothering
>me for two weeks now) I can't get my rings off, I feel very bloated so I
>eat less and I feel so fat! And I hate going to weigh in at WW when I have
>water weight since that gain is depressing! I know it is worse when the
>humidity is real high which is common in Houston.

>Any ideas on what I can do to solve this problem??

>Diane

Hi Diane -

I seem to have the same problem with higher humidity and when the temperature rises - I 
try to cut down on salt.  I have noticed that drinking caffeine and having sugar in the 
diet seems to increase the problem too - 

Any thoughts on this - I had a friend tell me one time that the problem was that I wasn't
drinking enough water - is this true....??

bonnie


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Maintaining (Why do I feel so fat?)
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:46:20 GMT

In article <24727@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik) writes:
|> Ive been maintaining my weight of 131 pounds for the past 3 months,
|> which is great! Yeah!  But why do I feel so fat?
|> 
|> I got admit that I havent been real good.  Ive been eating fast food
|> at least once a week, Ive been eating cookies & plenty of chocolate,
|> and all the while Ive been drinking lots of water.  Im not eating this
|> stuff all day long, but I am eating it more than usual. When I get on
|> the scale I expect to se a weight gain, but Im always 131.  I had a
|> friend test the scale, and it was accurate.
|> 
|> Can anyone tell me whats going on.  Has my metabolism changed?  Could
|> it be I feel fat because of the guilt of eating that junk food or could
|> it be my weight shifting?
|> 
|> Angie (Finally in a size 7/8!)

You need to be very careful at this point, Angie.  The phenomenon you're
describing is what has happened to me (and probably numerous others who 
subscribe to this newsgroup) every time I lost weight:  I get down to my
goal and am so happy, but one by one I start returning to my old habits -
nothing really monumentally bad at first, just extras here and there.
Meanwhile I'm stepping on the scale everyday and, guess what?  No weight
gain.  Hey! I say.  My metabolism has changed.  It looks like I'm now
going to be able to `get away' with more - eat more like thin people eat, 
instead of paying in pounds for every no-no I put in my mouth.  My con-
fidence builds (and my appetite and cravings increase) and boom!  my 
occasional `treats' have turned into an everyday routine, and then guess
what?  The weight starts to come back on.  I'm panicked, of course, but my 
frame of mind (and my frame of REFERENCE) is shot.  I'm not in diet mode;
I'm in celebration mode, and in the past I've found it impossible to switch
gears and the weight gain marches on.

I'm not saying this to scare you or anyone else, but when you've just
arrived in the Promised Land, you don't want to look around and find that
you've brought the devil in there with you.  You're in a vulnerable spot
right now, more so than when you were struggling to reach your goal.  That
feeling of 'fatness' is probably actually a feeling of fullness that you're
remembering from the past when you would over-eat or eat those foods you 
knew you shouldn't.  It's laced with guilt, all right, and it should send
up a flag for you.  Sure we should be able to indulge ourselves occasionally;
but I think we need to plan these 'outings' carefully and keep them within
certain limits or we will just perpetuate that cycle of gain-gain-gain-lose-
gain-gain-gain that we all despise so much.

End of sermon.  I'm probably preaching to the choir anyway :-).

Jan
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Re: How do you walk that much? (was Re: inspiration)
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:42:13 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Note that you can get spurs at both the back and the bottom of the
heels.  The ones at the back are more common for those who wear
high heels.  The stuff I described was for those with the spur
on the bottom.  There may be differences for those with the back-spurs.

Pete (hell, I used to wear earth shoes) Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield)
Subject: Re: WHat about those lousy skinny people?
Organization: Coordinating Centers For Biometric Research, University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:43:49 GMT

In article <1935p4INNcch@agate.berkeley.edu> mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu () writes:
>I'm posting again for the first time in a while but I've been reading
>and getting some moral support. I have a problem taht has been mmentioned
>before, non-supportive boyfriend. Actually, that is not strictly correct.
>people. HE thinks it is just a matter of application of willpower and some
>me "You are fat" is just getting a bit tiresome.
>
>Amy Mossman
>Center for EUV AStrophsyics

My SO also acted as "food police", and that was the *ultimate* wrong
way to "help" me.  I have spent my entire life as a fat person, and am
just now coming to terms with the fact that it doesn't make me a bad
person.  I am trying to lose weight, but not to become thin or fashionable,
just to become more healthy.  My goal - a "perfect size 18 - 20"!  What
my boyfriend didn't realize is that by "parenting" me regarding my diet,
he was reinforcing my old feelings of being out of control, weak, and
bad for being fat, instead of supporting my burgeoning feelings of being
strong, sure, and self-accepting for wanting to begin to take care of
myself and nurture myself with self-love, instead of food.  I had to
sit down with him and give him a very detailed history of my eating
habits, what food was/is to me, etc., and tell him, very gently, that
he was hindering more than helping, and if I needed support I would
ask, but that this is a very personal journey that can't be policed by
outside forces.
        Too bad it couldn't save the relationship, but he really backed
off, and seemed to respect my honesty, and this method has since worked
with an over-zealous mother and a well-meaning but pushy friend.

Hope this helps!

Jill

(BTW, I've lost 17 pounds and gone down a dress size.  This is the most
success I've *ever* had!)
 
                                                                   
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton)
Subject: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:47:44 GMT

Today, I had a crisis.  Just a tiny little nervous breakdown, no big deal.

My wife, who's been doing a fabulous job supporting me in my efforts (which
are going well) just about flipped her wig today, she was so frustrated with
me.

On the way home, I said we should stop at the supermarket.  I thought I'd
make up a pot of chili.  

Then every thing in the store began shouting my name... "Buy me!  Eat me!"
they yelled.  Suddenly, a low-fat chili didn't sound so good.

"How about burgers?"  I asked.  "They're quicker."

"Okay," said Hope.

"With fries," I added.

"Baked in the oven?" she baited the question.  I was SO SICK OF
BEING GOOD AND STICKING TO MY DIET I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO SCREAM.

I began to cry.  Right there in the Safeway.  This provoked my wife to
pick up a bag of Ore-Idas, toss them in the basket and storm off.  I
boo-hooed even harder.

This isn't about French fries-- I know some of you out there understand.
I was not tempted by the food itself, there was no particular craving I 
was having that I could even address.  I wanted EVERYTHING.  Or maybe 
just ANYTHING-- that is, anything I couldn't justify eating.

I've felt like Superman lately.  I've not put a thing in my mouth that 
hasn't been counted, defatted, analyzed, scrutinized, and weighed, not
only in the physical sense, but weighed against other choices I could make
at the time.

In the building where I work, there are the usual junk machines.  If I
visit them and choose pretzels, I have won a private battle.  If I choose
a Hostess Fruit Pie (it's only happened once, I swear), I have lost.  I
win more than I lose, so on the whole, I'm a winner, right???

So... how do y'all deal with the temptation of... TEMPTATION?  How can
being nutritionally conscious compete with the idea of complete hedonism
and the liberty to choose freely what you ingest?

BTW, the end of the domestic dispute:  my wife cried too, in frustration
because as I explained to her the fact that I both wanted to do what was
right (be good) and eat nasty fatty food (be bad), her only reply was,
"What can I do?"  My answer: "nothing."

Am I wrong????  Answer please (preferably) by posting.

Have a fabulous day.

Tom


PS:  Dinner was mini-pizzas, made with part-skim mozzarella on fatless
pita-bread crusts.  Perfectly legal.  Another private battle won.

:-)  TOM


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: howard@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Howard)
Subject: Re: How do you walk that much? (was Re: inspiration)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:15:17 GMT

dudley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Karen Witkoski) writes:

>In alt.support.diet, klb@stiatl.salestech.com (Kathy Ball) writes:
>>mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>>>..................  So I started walking.  And I'm still walking--usually
>>>I do 9 miles a day (3x3).  According to my calculations, I have
>>>lost about 60 pounds since January, just from the walking alone.

>I love to walk.  I had an operation in February of this year.  As soon
>as the doctor said that it was OK to exercise again I started walking.
>I even got my husband and son in a routine (until the weather got hot
>and humid).  Then we quit.  I realize that I felt better and lost weight
>after walking only 30 to 45 minutes' four days a week.

>My problem is that my heels hurt so badly after walking.  Not immediately
>afterwards.  But after sitting for a while, then trying to get up, oooooh
>what pain.  I'm not sure why my heels hurt.  Does anyone have any comments?
>I bought good walking shoes that are well padded.  But this hasn't helped.
>I'm only 36 years old...not too old yet :).

Karen - you might have a bone spur - I had the same problem and finally went to the
doctor to find out why I was having so much trouble with my feet.  I had a bone spur
at the back of my heel and it was rubbing on the tendon or something like that so
that when I got up it would cause that part to stretch and then it would rub on the
bone spur - you are talking PAIN!!!! I would almost scream it would hurt so bad.  I
went to wearing Birkenstock shoes - my doctor told me to not even get up in the night
without having the shoes on - I can finally after 6 months walk barefoot - but not
for very long - also, from being heavy and having the stupidity of wearing heels at
a job for about 5 months - I have problems with my arch so I will have to get 
foot supports to put in my shoes..  I would suggest that you go to your doctor - a
podiatrist(msp - I can't find the spelling in my dictionary)....

Good Luck!!!

>Karen
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: af080@yfn.ysu.edu (Gary Nicklas)
Subject: Walking/Volkssporting
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:15:07 GMT


I'm not sure where this question should be posted, but many of you walk, so
maybe you know the answer.  Is there a newsgroup where walking or
volksmarching is discussed?  I recently became interested in volksmarching as
a way to stay interested in walking, and I wondered if there are other such
people on the net.  Thanks.

Gary
-- 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:48:37 EDT

In article <1992Sep10.034744.11303@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton) writes:
>Today, I had a crisis.  Just a tiny little nervous breakdown, no big deal.
>
>My wife, who's been doing a fabulous job supporting me in my efforts (which
>are going well) just about flipped her wig today, she was so frustrated with
>me.
>
>On the way home, I said we should stop at the supermarket.  I thought I'd
>make up a pot of chili.  
>
>Then every thing in the store began shouting my name... "Buy me!  Eat me!"
>they yelled.  Suddenly, a low-fat chili didn't sound so good.
>
>"How about burgers?"  I asked.  "They're quicker."
>
>"Okay," said Hope.
>
>"With fries," I added.
>
>"Baked in the oven?" she baited the question.  I was SO SICK OF
>BEING GOOD AND STICKING TO MY DIET I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO SCREAM.
>
>I began to cry.  Right there in the Safeway.  This provoked my wife to
>pick up a bag of Ore-Idas, toss them in the basket and storm off.  I
>boo-hooed even harder.
>
>This isn't about French fries-- I know some of you out there understand.
>I was not tempted by the food itself, there was no particular craving I 
>was having that I could even address.  I wanted EVERYTHING.  Or maybe 
>just ANYTHING-- that is, anything I couldn't justify eating.

Yes yes yes!  I've been there.  It usually happens when I'm
really hungry and there's nothing around that I'm allowed to
eat (like in a mall or in Boston :).  I haven't actually
cried but have come close.  I get really angry (and usually
direct it at my husband!) at not being able to eat what I
want (or what is available or what everyone else is eating...),
do you think that's what you were going through, Tom?  Was
it more anger than anything?  That's what it feels like to me!

Isn't it funny how later it seems like you were really wacked
out to do that?  I mean, after I eat (anything) I wonder how
I could have been upset.  I think my real problem is 
waiting too long between meals and getting too hungry.  I think if
I don't do that, I'm much better off and less tempted.

Margot
>


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From: scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller)
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:46:17 GMT

>Walk wherever you can.

Also consider stairs instead of elevators.  

Scotti
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: pizza base
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:04:46 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

This is probably not an authentic recipe, but hey, it works, it tastes
good and its low in fat.  What more could you want !  Its also
increadibly easy.  I'm giving approximate measurements in imperial, 
since thats what I use, but mostly just add more flour or water until
it looks right.  I use 1 sachet of easy blend yeast.  If you use dried
yeast, add it to the honey-water mixture 15 minutes before you want to
start.

First pre-heat your oven to hot - c.240deg. Centigrade

Put 8oz flour (I use half plain, half wholewheat) in a bowl, together
with 1 sachet easy-blend yeast.

Mix a teaspoon of honey into 7 fl. oz. hot (but not boiling) water.
 
Mix the water into the flour.  (I use a knife and my hands).  If its
too sticky, add more flour until it isn't too sticky.  Dump some more
flour on a work-surface.  Kneed the dough for six mins.  You will
probably have to keep adding flour.

Squish into a non-stick baking tray, pizza pan, whatever.  Top with
fave. topping.  Sit near pre-heating oven for half an hour to rise.
Bake for 10/15 mins.

Enjoy.  Feel virtuous.

Alison

You can of course blow the whole thing by using high fat toppings.

I teaspoon of extra-virgin olive oil drizzeled on top is worth every
calorie in flavour (imho).
From: dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Water weight!?!?
Summary: Drinking water does not help much
Date: 15 Sep 1992 18:50:24 GMT

> 
> I seem to have the same problem with higher humidity and when the temperature rises - I 
> try to cut down on salt.  I have noticed that drinking caffeine and having sugar in the 
> diet seems to increase the problem too - 
> 
> Any thoughts on this - I had a friend tell me one time that the problem was that I wasn't
> drinking enough water - is this true....??
> 
> bonnie

Thanks for that input Bonnie, I now know I am not alone with this problem!
I don't know if drinking enough water makes a difference. I do drink a LOT
of water and I do not drink sodas at all anymore. I seem to have lost a
taste for carbonated sodas. I generally drink 10-14   8 oz. glasses of
water a day. 

The reason I stopped using salt in all of my cooking was to try and limit
the amount of time I have a water weight problem. I spend a lot of time in
the grocery store looking for low salt items. I do notice that when I eat
out and they used salt I will retain water for a day or two.

It seems that once in a while I will go for two - three weeks of being totally
bloated and up around 4 - 6 pounds in water weight, and then I will be ok
for about a month. 

Anyone out there know a medical explanation for this????

Diane

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