HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: "discovering" America ...  :-)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:12:53 GMT

Forwarded by: Liu Jian
Source: JAPAN ECONOMIC NEWSWIRE, 11/10/1992

BEIJING -- Step aside Christopher Columbus, a Chinese monk discovered
America more than 1,000 years before the intrepid Italian explorer was even
born, a research professor said Tuesday.

Faxian (336-422), a Chinese Buddhist monk, landed in a kingdom called Yepoti
in the winter of 412, the official Xinhua news agency quoted Lian Yunshan as
saying. "Yepoti was somewhere near today's Los Angeles on the western coast
of the United States," said Lian, a professor and visiting research fellow
from the China-Pacific Historical Society.

Lian made his claim at an international symposium on the origin of Pacific
civilizations.

Faxian, whose name is a homophone for the word discovery, arrived with a
fleet of three Chinese ships after drifting for 105 days in the Pacific
Ocean, Xinhua said.

And 1,000-year-old handwritten copies of his biography, confirming the feat,
can still be found in China, Japan and Korean Peninsula, it said.

Although their original destination was Guangzhou in southern China,
"monsoons in the Indian Ocean and South Pacific blew the ships off course,"
Lian said. On December 17, they landed in Yepoti, staying there for nearly
four months before sailing back to China, he said.

Western scholars claim Yepoti is the original name of Java Island but after
three decades of painstaking research, Lian has concluded that it was indeed
America, Xinhua said.

Pressed for evidence, Lian says paintings by the ancient Maya people show
Faxian's ships landing. All of which is bad news for the many people on both
sides of the Atlantic who are busy feting Columbus this year, the 500th
anniversary of his "discovery" of America.
___

above article from  JAPAN ECONOMIC NEWSWIRE

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Quebec civil code (was Re: Quebec Immigration Powers)
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:25:54 GMT

In article <30OCT92.22496957.0043@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> MD04MXS <MD04MXS@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> writes:
>PLEASE, do NOT send us any more lawyers! I just checked the New Orleans
>yellow pages to confirm my suspicions and found that there are 46 PAGES
>of ads for attorneys (this is in a metro area of 1 million, folks).
>
>Maybe it is due to the fact that many of them are trained in civil
>law (I know of several lawyers who make their practice exclusive to
>state courts here in Louisiana). Whatever the reason, it is scary.
>Late night tv around here is FILLED with attorney ads.
>

To compare, in Montreal Yellow Pages (2-3 millions, depending if we count
the Metro area, but there are other YP for suburbs).

Avocats (lawiers) :  8 F + 4 E
Notaries :           3 F + 1.5 E
Patent Agents:       .25 F + .25 E
Total, 11.25 in French section, 5.75 in English section, 17 in all,
but most E is duplicated, so 12 pages is a lot less than those 46 in LA!

He! Louisiana!  Join a Free Quebec and re-use your attorneys!  (-;


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From: MD04MXS <MD04MXS@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Americans on English schools in Quebec (Was: Quebec)
Organization: Your MUSIC System
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:19:09 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22336]: music.tcs.tulane.edu

In article <BxGGKJ.LtI@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>You forget one important point : immigrants choose to move to Quebec.
>If they don't want education in French, they are free to select any
>other 9 provinces and 49 states on that continent for English,
>plus other in Antillas, Belize, Oceania, Africa, etc., plus a lot
>of other langugaes elsewhere.
>
That is true, but.....do you REALLY want to lose the contribution that
the many English-speaking people of Quebec has given to the province?
I am afraid that another mass exodus of business from Quebec is on the
way. Remember that Toronto was not always the most populous city of
Canada!

Ken
>.


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Tulane University                 "Who am I ? Why am I here ?"
New Orleans, Louisiana            Adm. James Stockdale--Oct 1992
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Speaking French on newsgroups
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:22:12 GMT


I've deleted all of the text, since what I have to say does not bear
directly on any of it, just the subject line.

If my history is correct, or rather my remembrance of it, Lord
Drummond granted the French in Canada the right to their language,
religion, and civil laws. I'v probably got that wrong, but whoever
did it, they were granted these rights.

Now, actual practice in Quebec metro areas for many years when
most businesses were owned by English speaking people was that
a Quebecois could not get served in his/her own language in
the majority of business establishments. Naturally, there is
bitterness and resentment.

Much has been made of the concept of 'communication' in this
group and I believe that is a good concept. I still have some
conversational ability in French, but if I want to express
myself with any precision, I must use English. If I were to
post in French, I might inadvertently make the opposite
point in debate from that intended.

There are many inexpensive pocketbooks of the travel guide
variety that should enable us to translate those posts that
interest us. As today's generation says Chill out. :-)

Bob.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Quebec
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 00:45:02 GMT

In article mNXVTB2w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca, emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca () writes:
>wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>
>> >>   I don't know what the point of replying in French is.  You seem to
>> >>   work or function in the States, and you know enough english to be
>> >>   able to read and form a reply to the above, so why reply in French?
>> >>   I could understand if you were quoting french text, but this ???
>> >>
>> >>Why shouldn't he post in French?  I'm anglophone, and I do it
>> >>sometimes as well.  Personally, I think it helps to remind Canadians
>> >>who do not interact with French Canada that 1/4 of their compatriots
>> >>dream in a different language.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >Bravo!  Moi, je suis quebecois et je parle francais.  Je comprends tres
>> >bien l'anglais, mais comme vous le dites si bien, "on vous aime les
>> >Quebecois et on veut vous garder".  Alors je vais continuer a parler
>> >ma langue sur un reseau discutant des problemes politiques de mon pays.
>> 
>> [text is a language I don't understand deleted]
>> 
>> Why shouldn't he post in French?  Before I answer, let me say that
>> he, or anyone else, has the freedom to post or reply in any language
>> they like, regardless of how *I* feel about it.
>> 
>> But would you come up to a group of people, conversing in English,
>> and, knowing and following the conversation, would you then interject
>> your point of view or add to the conversation _in french_ ?
>> 
>> You say (above) that it "helps to remind Canadians who do not interact..."
>> but if you want to make that point or impression, then make it in a more
>> direct way, not hidden in a quoted reply where no one knows why your
>> doing it...
>> 
>
>
>I have noticed something no one else appears to have picked up on. The 
>original discussion was cross-posted to both soc.culture.canada AND 
>can.politics. 
>
>Since speaking writing in both English/French is the norm in can.politics 
>it is entirely possible that the person originally posting a reply in 
>French was reading the article in can.politics, not soc.culture.canada.
>
>Is it possible the original article was cross posted to both groups 
>without the poster realizing that can.politics is a bilingual mewsgroup?
>
>While I have to make an extra effort to read articles en francais, I 
>appreciate the ability to converse with other canadians regardless of 
>their language of choice.
>

AMEN.

Andreas Tovornik



Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: rmutton@alfred.carleton.ca (Ross Mutton)
Subject: Re: REMEMBRANCE DAY - B.Adams (Was - Re: !*! In Flanders Fields ... !*!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:18:49 GMT

In <1dc0uoINN9qt@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:

>	REMEMBRANCE DAY - Bryan Adams (from "Into the Fire" A&M 1987)

>	For our king and our country, and the promise of glory
>	We came from Kingston and Brighton to fight on the front lines
>	Just lads from the farms and boys from the cities
>	Not meant to be soldiers, we lay in the trenches
>	We'd face the fighting with a smile ... or so we said
>	If only we had known what danger lay ahead

Any idea which Kingston and Brighton Adams is referring to?  Kingston
and Brighton in Ontario?  If so, I'm surprised he picked Eastern
Ontario towns unless he remembers them from his days in Ottawa.

Ross Mutton
Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
rmutton@ccs.carleton.ca
613-788-3814  FAX 613-788-3928
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: An American's View
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:20:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct26.145631.16390@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>It's ironic that the separatist leader Parizeau speaks much better English 
>than the (supposedly) federalist premier Bourassa.  Parizeau even loves the
>monarchy that so many separatists despise.  But then remember that Parizeau
>has the benefit of a British education :-)

To add up to irony, the PQ government in 1976 had a more perfect
"English" score than the previous liberal government in that the
ministers were more fluent in English.

I believe many federalists in Quebec are actually living far from
an English reality (Lac St-Jean is an exception), that it they believe
in Canada while doing like if it was not existing.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Quebec
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 12:05:21 PST
Distribution: can
Organization: Robert Smits

wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

> >>   I don't know what the point of replying in French is.  You seem to
> >>   work or function in the States, and you know enough english to be
> >>   able to read and form a reply to the above, so why reply in French?
> >>   I could understand if you were quoting french text, but this ???
> >>
> >>Why shouldn't he post in French?  I'm anglophone, and I do it
> >>sometimes as well.  Personally, I think it helps to remind Canadians
> >>who do not interact with French Canada that 1/4 of their compatriots
> >>dream in a different language.
> >>
> >>--
> >Bravo!  Moi, je suis quebecois et je parle francais.  Je comprends tres
> >bien l'anglais, mais comme vous le dites si bien, "on vous aime les
> >Quebecois et on veut vous garder".  Alors je vais continuer a parler
> >ma langue sur un reseau discutant des problemes politiques de mon pays.
> 
> [text is a language I don't understand deleted]
> 
> Why shouldn't he post in French?  Before I answer, let me say that
> he, or anyone else, has the freedom to post or reply in any language
> they like, regardless of how *I* feel about it.
> 
> But would you come up to a group of people, conversing in English,
> and, knowing and following the conversation, would you then interject
> your point of view or add to the conversation _in french_ ?
> 
> You say (above) that it "helps to remind Canadians who do not interact..."
> but if you want to make that point or impression, then make it in a more
> direct way, not hidden in a quoted reply where no one knows why your
> doing it...
> 


I have noticed something no one else appears to have picked up on. The 
original discussion was cross-posted to both soc.culture.canada AND 
can.politics. 

Since speaking writing in both English/French is the norm in can.politics 
it is entirely possible that the person originally posting a reply in 
French was reading the article in can.politics, not soc.culture.canada.

Is it possible the original article was cross posted to both groups 
without the poster realizing that can.politics is a bilingual mewsgroup?

While I have to make an extra effort to read articles en francais, I 
appreciate the ability to converse with other canadians regardless of 
their language of choice.


emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca  (Robert Smits, Ladysmith B.C.)

The way to get things out of a government is to back them to the wall, 
put your hands to their throats, and you will get all that they have. 
- Agnes McPhail
From: ywang1@husc8.harvard.edu (Yongkang Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Looking for Dr. Etienne Losq of McGill University
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:58:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Hi,

I want to contact professor Etienne Losq of McGill University, Economics
Department or Business School (?), concerning his (or her) paper. Anyone
know him ( her) or know of him (her) , please Email me. Thank you very
very much in advance.

   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri "Droopy" Farenell)
Subject: CBC scandal?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:55:29 GMT

I was flipping through the channels and caught the middle of CBC
News where there apparently is some controversy. CBC News anchor was
reading off editorials from the Globe and Mail, Montreal Gazette, etc
which were criticizing or questioning CBC's journalistic integrity.
The Gazette's was particularly harsh. What happened?
============================================================================
BRI FARENELL				Hate is not a family value.
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU
CLARKSON '95			
HOBBES: Why do we play war not peace? 	CALVIN: Too few role models.
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"We are not descended from fearful men... not from men who feared to write,
to speak, to associate and to defend causes which were, for the time, 
unpopular."		----Edward R Murrow
  


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:33:28 GMT

In viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca writes:

>In article <Bx5rMs.6Ez.1@cs.cmu.edu>,
	clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:

>    Being from where you are I don't expect you know a hell of a lot
>    about the issue as it relates to Canada .... you arrogant Yanks...

>|> Moi, je suis montrealais.  Je ne suis qu'un etudiant en E-U.

>Sorry, in my ignorance of geography I thought Pittsburgh was in the USA
>instead of USA Montreal.

Not just ignorance of geography. Just plain ignorance.

It is just possible that people can go to university in a place different
from their home town. Even in a different country.

Smarten up. Or maybe you like making a fool of yourself in public.

>Harold Henriksen                    Bell-Northern Research
>email: viking@bmerh694.bnr.ca       Ottawa,Ontario,Canada 

(I tried to take this to e-mail, but BNR's router says you don't exist.
I suppose if I was the company I might not want to admit it, either :-)

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
         "IBM's three letters are probably EBCDIC for CYA" - Nik H.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:17:49 GMT

clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:

>In article <1992Nov3.180423.20635@sfu.ca> schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:

>   >Now, schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) rebuts:
>   >
>   >	Another example is for a BC firm planning to market it's
>   >	products to Japan and Japanese tourists within BC. It is a bit
>   >	silly to insist on french labelling for such products.
>   >
>   >clamen@cs.cmu.edu (Stewart M. Clamen) replied:
>   >
>   >Or for that matter, English labelling.  (I find this the weakest of
>   >your argments.)

>   Why?

>Why it is a weak argument, or why is insisting on English labelling
>silly in this case?  The latter because English is just as irrelevant
>to Japanese consumers as French is to you.  

As I said, 'products to Japan and Japanese tourists within BC'.

BC is a major tourism spot for Japanese tourists , and there are many
shops in Vancouver dedicated to such tourists. Products geared towards
those tourist don't really need french in addition to japanese and
english on the labels, but english is necessary for US tourists and
British Columbians. 
The same may apply to custom wood products destined for Japan, which
is growth industry as well, and fish products like smoked salmon.
The labels can get a little crowded.

Another language issue that annoys me is the signs in Airports and
federal government offices. They are all bilingual, french and
english. On this issue I'm not saying eliminate french, I'm saying add
Japanese and Chinese. Multilanguage signs are common in Europe -- we
don't have to limit ourselves to two in places like BC.

>The former because
>businessmen are not in the business of scaring away customers.
>(Unless you think that having French on a label is already doing
>that.)

It's not that big an issue, but as you add a third language or fourth
you run out of room and it costs more. We should be able to cater to
the differences in regions.

>   It is easier to ship goods to the Pacific Rim than it is to ship them
>   back to the rest of Canada. Plus, there is no free trade in Canada.

>Having different labelling laws in BC from the rest of Canada would be
>adding a new barrier to free trade when everyone agrees that the
>barriers should go away.

It's too late anyway. Even the CA didn't have the force of law on the
issue of interprovincial trade barriers. It was just a wish list.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:11:15 GMT

In article <bob1.720982232@cos>, bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
|> In <1992Nov5.025659.268@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
|> 
|> >	I can *live* with Clinton and Gore in the Whitehouse, it's 
|> >	Al's wife Tipper that scares me.  She's heavily into the 
|> >	censorship thing with her band of Washington wives and their
|> >	PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center).  I thought she was a
|> >	Republican !!!  Surprise surprise.
|> 
|> Can we please put this BS to bed. PMRC want's recordings with
|> *adult* (actually, pretty damn childish IMHO) lyrics to be so
|> labeled. They aren't burned in big bonfires, etc. Suppose you
|> have a young daughter and buy her a R&R record for a present,
|> but you don't know the R&R scene. Wouldn't it be just great
|> to hear it for the first time and find all they are singing
|> about is [expletive deleted].
|> 
|> It was *not* censorship, merely *truth in labeling* :-/
|> 
|> Bob.

	WHOSE 'truth' Bob ?  The GOVERNMENT'S truth ?  You actually TRUST
	a band of Washington housewives and their pet cause to save the
	universe from their perception of what is good for YOU ?

	Give me a break.


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: beaucham@astro.phy.ulaval.ca (Dominique Beauchamp)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: Universite Laval, Ste-Foy, Qc, Canada
Distribution: canada.politics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:12:27 GMT

>|> Moi, je suis montrealais.  Je ne suis qu'un etudiant en E-U.
>|> 
>|>  [...]
>
>Sorry, in my ignorance of geography I thought Pittsburgh was in the USA USA instead of
>USA Montreal.
>--
>Harold Henriksen                    Bell-Northern Research
>email: viking@bmerh694.bnr.ca       Ottawa,Ontario,Canada 
>
 
He Harold!  He's telling us he comes from Montreal, PQ AND he's studying in USA!

Aie!, Harold!  Il te dit qu'il vient de Montreal, PQ, ET qu'il etudit aux E-U!

Dominique Beauchamp, QUebec


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