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From: rivk@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: Re:MU* keeness 
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:15:27 GMT

Just a note on getting permission for non-riders to be allowed
to hear dragons on the MUSHes... for the cases of people who want
to say they hear all dragons, period, this seems like an obvious 
requirement and I have no problem with it. I do know, though, that
on SouCon there've been a number of cases where an individual rider
chose, for plot reasons in a specific one-time circumstance, to use
a '*do w *' command to allow a nonrider to hear their dragon on the
given occasion -- usually startling the hell out of the nonrider,
which was part of the point. I've never heard of anyone complaining
as long as (a) it's the rider's choice, not the nonrider who hears,
(b) the riders use some discretion on how much they go around doing
this. I've seen it most often used as part of Search... and yes, the
Candidates who can (accurately, otherwise they *do* get contradicted
by the rider involved) say that their Search dragon talked to them
*do* get looked at by the other Candidates IC as having a better chance
of Impressing for it -- but I think it's safe to say that OOC everyone
knows better than to believe it. I've never heard of that requiring
official permission; as I said, it's generally up to the rider as long
as they don't overuse the privilege and get silly with it. This seems
consistent with the occasions in the books where someone who did not
officially fall into the 'can-talk-to-all-dragons' category had a given
dragon speak to them; it's a different class.

	-Naomi Rivkis/Jaret, blue Ziarrith's rider

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Pern Audiobooks
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:36:17 GMT


I went to the local library today and checked out some Pern audio
books.  They are DRAGONSONG, DRAGONSINGER, and DRAGONDRUMS.  They
claim to be unabridged, and I can believe it--they total 22.25
hours, overall.  I have yet to listen to them, so I don't know
how good they are.  They are narrated by someone named "Sally
Darling."

I can't say much for the covers.  The cover of Dragonsong shows
fire lizards as green, flying tyrannosaurus rexes (with HORNS, no
less!), and the cover of Dragondrums shows Piemer clutching an egg
that is almost as big as he is!

On the box, it says "For a free catalog of other unabridged Recorded
Books (TM) please call 1-(800)-638-1304, or write to Recorded Books,
Inc., 270 Skipjack Rd., Prince Frederick, MD  20678.  Ask about our
easy rentals by mail."

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: SF or Fantasy?
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:41:19 GMT

i had been flamed numerous times, for saying Sci-Fi instead of SF. 
if u ask me its ridiculous. for people to complain about semantics is stupid.

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                             - Just fools who think they are.
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From: aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Rider Distribution
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:36:22 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University


I must afree with MasterTanner Mertonn. :)  agree, too.

Everyone's a LeaderMUSH just wouldn't work... :(

Pern has to have a legitimate dragonspread, and citizenspread to work.

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From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: SF or Fantasy?
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:40:00 +0000


In article <alix.727564404@vincent2.iastate.edu>, alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Mello-
y) writes:
>
>Are the Dragonrider books considered sci-fi, or fantasy?
>

I don't think they fit either category and the publishers can't
seem to make up their minds either, my copies of Dragonflight,
Dragonsinger and Dragonsong have 'Science Fiction' on the spine,
while Dragonquest and Dragondrums have 'Fantasy Novel' on the 
spine.  White Dragon just has 'Novel' and by the time the others
came out the publisher has given up trying to put classifications
on them!

I would say they are not SF, as there is very little SF in them
apart from the first and last books, and they are not realy fantasy
because most of the fantasy books I've read or heard of have a lot
of para-normal events and the main characters have some sort of
mystic 'power' or are searching for some object that will give some
form of 'power'.

I don't like to give too much thought to what class of literature
they come into, I just enjoy the books :-)

Peter.


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From: roise@u.stein.u.washington.edu (Linda Roise)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: wher
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:31:55
Organization: Seattle University
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In-reply-to: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu's message of Tue, 19 Jan 1993 22:45:43 GMT

I just came across, in _Dragondrums_, p. 172:

     	Sharra had taught her fire lizards to hunt when they were in the
   wild, but she had also managed to train them to bring their catch
   to her.  They returned that fourth evening with the
   strangest-looking creature Piemur had ever seen. Sharra identified
   it as a whersport.  It was far too small to be like the watchwhers
   that Piemur knew as nocturnal hold guardians in the north, but it
   was bigger than fire lizards, which it also somewhat resembled.
   Fortunately, it was almost dead when the delighted Meer and Talla
   deposited it on the ground by Sharra's feet.  She dispatched it
   with a deft prick of her knife and, grinning at Piemur for his
   horrified expression, proceeded to disembowel it, throwing the
   offal far out into the black waters, which ruffled briefly as the
   snakes took the offering.
	"May look a sight, but roasted in its skin, a whersport is
   very good eating.  So, we'll stuff it with a bit of white tuber and
   some grass shoots, and we'll have a meal fit for a Lord Holder."
	When she saw Piemur's dubious expression as she completed her
   arrangements, she laughed.
	"There're a lot of strange beasties in this part of the south.
   As if all the animals you have up north got mixed up somehow.  A
   whersport isn't a fire lizard, and it isn't a wher.  For one thing
   it's a daytime beast, and whers are nocturnal; sun blinds them.
   Then there's far more varieties of snake here than in the north.
   Or so I'm told. . . .

For those who have editions other than the Bantam paperback (11th
printing, 1986), this section is toward the end of chapter 10.

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From: jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill)
Subject: Re: Rider Distribution
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:04:08 GMT

                    [Much stuff deleted]
>
>    Call it kneejerk, call it reactionary, call it what you will, but
>I think a setup like it appears you're asking for just wouldn't fly.  Of
>course I could be wrong, but your proposal sounds pretty vague.
>
Thank you, those are important points that would have to considered when
coming up with an alterantive to the PERNMush Model.

What a posted in not meant to be a proposal, it is an observation and request
for comment and ideas. I have yet to develope fully an alternative model.
When I do, I will likely try to set it up a mail list to commect the specific 
proposed alternative model.


>    Jim Kiley
>    F'gron @ PernMUSH
>    Mertonn, Master Tanner (not a Cool Craft :) ) @ SouConMUSH
>    jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Sources?
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:34:12 GMT

In article 1jke3hINNe3n@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu, Erik Schwiebert <evs1@cornell.edu> () writes:
> In article <C14JMI.6y4@eis.calstate.edu> Shirley Hagstrom,
> shagstr@eis.calstate.edu writes:
> >   When you guys start saying you read this or heard that..
> >
> >      Quote the book and page # so the rest of us can check it too..
> >
> >  And no..I've never read anything I remember that said Wherries were
> giant
> >8 foot turkeys from Earth..
> >
> >  And yes..Aramina lost her ability to hear all dragons, but claimed to 
> >hear someone-something else occasionally.  It was very sad and she didn't
> >try to hear it..  Page 318 of Renegades of Pern.
> 
> ok... one other suggestion -- include the chapter number!  i just looked
> up p. 318 in Renegades, but Aramina isn't mentioned on that page
> anywhere... the reason: I have the hardcover version, which has different
> page numbers!!!!!!
this sounds like a nice idea. but some of us are going by memory and 
dont have immediate access to the books. so please dont flame people
cause they dont give u a book number or whatever. 
thanx 


---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Re: Questions of Internal Consistency 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:21:16 +0000

In article <1jn1daINN12n@anise.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
            pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk writes:

>There are references in both the Dragon Lover's Guide, and also in DragonsDawn
>that state that Fire Lizards have no `built in obsolecence' or aging. This
>suggests that they do not get old. Indeed Anne states that one pair could
>ultimatly repopulate Pern should the need arise from their own clutches.

Well, the DLG contradicts the books in places, as well...  And the sizes
given for dragons are just ridiculous - can you imagine singlehandedly
washing a Lockheed 10-11?  Or riding on (not in <g>) one?

How on earth (or Pern) do you get a basically immortal creature, as
firelizards are supposed to be, evolving in the first place?  Sorry,
they may have a *long* lifespan (barring accidents) - say 1000 years -
but I do *not* believe that they do not get old.

Well, of course one pair of any species could repopulate a world, as
long as their generation length is a fraction of the expected lifespan
(as is the case with most Terran animals).  Apart, of course, from the
lack of genetic variety, which would cause severe problems with the
inbreeding.  The firelizards have pretty good genetic structure by now,
of course, since the species *does* have quite drastic inbreeding.

>I assume that Thread and Wherries are the prime cause of Fire Lizard deaths.
>I don't remember of hearing of any dying Between anywhere in the books.

Thread is only a danger during the Passes - i.e. 20% of the time.  And
judging by the ones we see in the books, firelizards are only really
likely to be hit by Thread if they are protecting someone (or they hatch
in the middle of a Fall, like Menolly's ones).  At other times, they can
just go *between* to somewhere Thread isn't falling at the moment.

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From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: People of Pern
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:40:00 +0000


In article <1jietfINNrvs@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, evs1@cornell.edu (Erik Sc-
hwiebert) writes:
>PLEASE DO!!!  I havent heard of 'People of Pern' before -- mind if i ask
>when/where it came out?

People of Pern: by Robyn Wood.  This is a collection of colour and
monochrome portraits of some of the main people of Pern.

Publisher: The Donning Company
Distributed by Schiffer Publishing Ltd. 1469 Morstein Road,
West Chester, PA 19380

ISBN: 0-89865-751-2

Price: 12.95 USD.

Hope thais helps.

Peter.

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From: marlowe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Amanda T Marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Pern Audiobooks
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:06:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

In article <1993Jan25.233617.19545@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:

>I went to the local library today and checked out some Pern audio
>books.  They are DRAGONSONG, DRAGONSINGER, and DRAGONDRUMS.  They
>claim to be unabridged, and I can believe it--they total 22.25
>hours, overall.  I have yet to listen to them, so I don't know
>how good they are.  They are narrated by someone named "Sally
>Darling."

>On the box, it says "For a free catalog of other unabridged Recorded
>Books (TM) please call 1-(800)-638-1304, or write to Recorded Books,
>Inc., 270 Skipjack Rd., Prince Frederick, MD  20678.  Ask about our
>easy rentals by mail."
>Chris Meadows  | Robotech/RIFTS/Palladium fanfic author/editor  

I've dealt with Recoded Books, and I really like their stuff. It's
read by professionals, and it is truly unabridged. And they make it
very easy to rent. You just call them up and place the order,
(it's easiest to pay by credit card) then they ship you the tapes.
If you are renting, they send a return postage box so you can just
drop the tapes into a mail box. You get a month or so to listen to
them. They have a wide selection, all unabridged.  The readers
generally research the book a little, too, and it's more like
listening to a one-man play than just a reading. They have a
Fantastic "Lord of The Rings". 
The prices depend on the number of tapes you are renting, and
generally range for $12-$30. You can also purchase them if
you want, though I'm not sure what the prices for that are.

Thanks for alerting me to the HarperHall Trilogy! I wonder if they
have the Dragonrider Trilogy too? If not, they probably will
soon....


Amanda


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     marlowe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu   sincere whether you mean it or not." 
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From: mark@eis.calstate.edu (Mark Crother)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Dragon's Fire Refuge
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:10:14 GMT
Organization: California State University



For any lost souls from Dragon's Fire, you can come meet on MicroMUSE
where some of the original buildings still stand.  Benden Hold still
exists there.  Just tel to #36715


--mark (T'per)
From: jaderr@eos.ncsu.edu (JAY ALTON DERR)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re> Pern Music?
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:52:51 GMT
Reply-To: jaderr@eos.ncsu.edu (JAY ALTON DERR)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: jaderr@c00356-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <1993Jan16.004335.15772@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.ed-
u (Chris Meadows) writes:
>
>Has Anne McCaffrey ever published any of the music from the
Harper
>Hall series of Pern?  I would love to know what the music quoted
>at the beginning of each chapter sounds like.  Any idea if it's 
>been published/recorded, and where I could get it if it is?

Yes. There is a tape of Pern songs available. It's called
Dragonsongs.
Write to: Joanne Forman, Box 1101, Ranchos de Taos, NM 87557, USA.
for more details of price etc.

Peter.

In addition to Peter's suggestion you may also find it at a local library...I 
did. Good recordings, mellow, easy to listen to. 
                                            J
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: bethmo@microsoft.com (Beth Moursund)
Subject: Re: Hearing dragons
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:16:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <C178zL.5uF@eis.calstate.edu> shagstr@eis.calstate.edu (Shirley Hagstrom) writes:
> I am curious if I would be 'breaking the unwriten rules' by hearing the 
>few dragons that have said << Thank you >> after healing them or their
>rider or their rider's firelizard's injuries as a DragonHealer??

(Just my HO, I don't know if anyone's ever been silly enough to try
to set "official policy" on this...)

I've always had the impression that the dragons have the ability to
talk to anyone with a bit of empathy, not just their rider, if they're
specifically trying to.  Robinton, of course, is the classic example.

So if a dragon on PernMUSH projects << Thank you >> at you, I'd have
no problem with you 'hearing' it IC.

  - Annalyn, rider of gold Iriniath
From: wolfe@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Hearing Dragons
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:27:08 EST
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

        To be quite honest, in general, despite apperances, Males are
        far more emotional then famales, which is why they build elaborate
        defences, and can at time seem insensitive.  But perhaps this is
        a discussion for another time and place. :)

 
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From: "anluan obrien" <anluan.obrien@execnet.com>
Subject: mush
Reply-To: "anluan obrien" <anluan.obrien@execnet.com>
Organization: Executive Networks Information
Distribution: alt
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:51:48 EST

Heeeeeeeeeeeelp, I'm new to Internet (not BBS's) and I don't know
what a MUSH,MU*,MUSE is/are and I don't know how to join. Could someone
please email me the information at Anluan.@LAST@@EXECNET.COM
it would be much obliged. P.S. I only have mail access not FTP access.


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From: kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: SF or Fantasy?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:03:23 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon
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In article <UJZ0W0B@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> ckurs-2@wilbur.uni-mainz.de (Dominik Kubla) writes:
>How about 'Science Fantasy" ???
>Seems appropriate to me, because the stories/books incorporate both, the freedom
>of fantasy and the accuracy of SF.

Pern?  Scientifically Accurate?  ;-)

Frankly, I see it as exactly the opposite:  The story restrictions of
SF with the attention to science of Fantasy. ;-)

-- 
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                          what I have now...
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From: david@master.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: SF or Fantasy?
Followup-To: alt.fan.pern
Organization: University of Chicago, Department of Anatomy
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:18:42 GMT

In article <matt-210193193202@wardibm2.med.yale.edu>, matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) writes:
> In article <alix.727564404@vincent2.iastate.edu>, alix@iastate.edu (L.A.
> Melloy) wrote:
>>[text cut] 
>> Are the Dragonrider books considered sci-fi, or fantasy?
>>[text cut]
> 
> 2. Minor flame:  Many of those who consider themselves
>    science-fiction fans are offended by the abbreviation
>    {sci-fi} because it has been applied by the mainstream
>    media to certain Hollywood productions that most fans
>    of written speculative fiction disdain.  If you don't
>    want to invite flames, please use the abbreviation SF.
> 
> Matt Healy
> "I pretend to be a network administrator;
>  the lab net pretends to work"
> 
> matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu


"Offended" ?!?!?  I have read sci-fi all of my life, and have never been
offended by the usage of the word sci-fi.  Who cares ? SF, sci-fi, its
all the same.  As far as Hollywood productions go, they are certainly
on the same level of writing/action/scientific accuracy as the majority
of SF/sci-fi out there.  Take this to mean that most Hollywood stuff is
good or that most sci-fi is written at a fifth grade reading level with
the scientific accuracy of the late news, however you wish.  I think 
it is a bit much to get "offended" and warn someone they are in dire
peril of inviting flames because they use the term sci-fi.

-David Hardin
-University of Chicago
From: james@trapper.sdsu.edu.sdsu.edu (Michael James)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: pern gif
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:29:34 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I found a picture of Jaxom and Ruth with a caption saying something about
Macintosh on the net once and seem to have lost it.  I was curious if there
was anyone who had seen it or knew where others could be found.

thanks
From: jonobie@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Tinyplots
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:58:47 GMT
Organization: Kent State University

Being a slightly new person an PernMUSH, I'd like to know about these
Tinyplots that everyone is talking (and doing) about. For example, if
I were to want to be part of one, do I need to clear it with someone
first, or should I just do it? I'm not sure what is "proper"! :) Thanks!

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