HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo)
Subject: Re: Additional Packages for Coherent
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:51:43 GMT
Organization: DeadZone * A/UX 3.0 SVR2 * 609-275-1833

In <C0GK4M.1px@unix.portal.com> mike@shell.portal.com (Michael Bruce Tepin) writes:

>This is an honest question.  There is no attempt at starting any trouble or
>flame wars or anything.  I truely don't understand.  Why are the GNU compilers
>and utilites FREE for MSDOS, OS/2, and Linux but cost money for Coherent?
	
	They'll be free for Coherent as well when someone ports them.
	MWC went through the trouble of compiling the GNU stuff and
	putting them on diskettes for you so you could simply order them
	and then start programming. There is absolutely nothing stopping
	you from FTPing all the sources and porting them over yourself.

>I am a registered owner of Coherent 4 but I don't have it installed because
>the software that is free for other operating systems costs money for this
>one.

	Marcelo -

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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Processing texinfo files (how?)
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:07:07 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> Grant Edwards (grante@aquarius.rosemount.com) wrote:
> : You need to get a copy of the file texinfo.tex, then you run tex on
> : the texinfo file (which does an include texinfo.tex).  That will give
> : you a device independant file which you can convert into postscript (I
> : use a program called dvips.)
>
> Has TeX been ported to Coherent, and if so, where might I find it?
>
No one has ported TeX that we are aware of, but you may want to try
porting tex2rof to convert the texinfo file to a troff format that
Coherent can handle.

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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: PortFAQ submission call
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:46:48 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]


Next week I'll be sending out the next PortFAQ.  If you are
porting something or writing a new freeware/shareware application
please fill out the below form, and email it to cohnews@drktowr.chi.il.us

Submission info:
----------------

When I receive a submission, I will keep it in the FAQ until it reaches
completion level 10 (all done).  Then it will appear one more time, and
be removed since I'm assuming the project is done.  I'll put out a FAQ
once a month.  If the completion level changes, please e-mail me and
I'll update it.

Here are the codes again so you don't have to scroll back:


Key:
	2 = 286-Coherent Only (by default should work with 386 tho)
	3 = 386-Coherent Only
	4 = Both 286 and 386 for certain
	B = Beta testers appreciated
	D = Documentation writers appreciated
	M = More programmers for teamwork appreciated
	T = Translators needed (Te->english Tf->french, etc.)
	Cx = Completion level(1-10): 1=just started 7=beta 10=all done
	Ox = Original application (not a port) x=F-freeware|S-Shareware


Submission form (Based on Detlef's idea):
-----------------------------------------

*Note* please mail this to: cohnews@drktowr.chi.il.us
If you just reply, it will go to my account which is fine, but I'll have
to sort it out of my other e-mail and it might get lost.

Name and Email address:
Project Name:
Codes (see above):
Notes or important info:

-----------------(notes can be as long as you want)----------------
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From: johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:49:17 GMT
	<1993Jan6.171152.9891@sfu.ca> <1ihc1iINNh6q@uwm.edu>
	<1993Jan7.165301.2889@news.stolaf.edu> <KENJI.93Jan8110143@daemun.rcac.astem.or.jp>
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA


In article <KENJI.93Jan8110143@daemun.rcac.astem.or.jp> kenji@rcac.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:

   ]   Please don't poison the air like this.

   Porting something is worth being considered a creative activity. And
   people who look down on porting often haven't done it by themselves.

I was refering to his seeming implication that MWC was acting
illegally, not to porting.  I have NO problems with MWC using code
legally, and was merely stating that I didn't think that they would
use it illegally by violating the copyright.

Can we cut this thread, please?  There's been far too much on it
already...

michaelkjohnson
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in an intelligent serial board?
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:42:17 GMT
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Dave Rifkind (dave@yarc.uucp) wrote:
[...]
: one already on my system.  (BTW, 'cmp' is missing from my system.  Is it
: not on the distribution?)  I can't *get* Taylor; uucp won't run long
[...]
Cmp is missing in some distributions. It's available in the updates
directory on MWCBBS.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Subject: A minor bug or two in hpd
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
Distribution: comp
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:14:46

The printer daemon hpd is used by the printing program hpr to control
printing on a Hewlett-Packard compatible LasetJet printer.  I have
noticed a few minor bugs.  These were noted using an HP LaserJet 4
printer.

1) The banner page produced by hpd is not quite the same as that made
by the general printing program lpr.  The top line of the MW logo,
made from several adjacent octothorpes, is somehow shifted right by
about six positions.

2) There is a little, undocumented item about hpd concerning final
page eject.  While lpd always generates a page eject for the last page
of a print job, hpd does not always for a final page feed.  The hpd
program does appear to have a final page eject only if the hp filter
program (analogous to pr) is performed.

Ther may be a slight problem with the troff example given in the troff
entry in the manual.  The book says

try:

	.sp !8i
	.ps 500
	.ce
	E

with the idea of producing a big, fat letter "E" on the ouput.  Well,
I tried this and all I got was a blank page.


I think it's time to have an /etc/printcap or similar for terminal
linr controll.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: gerald@csoft.UUCP (Gerald Abshez)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:06:24 GMT
Reply-To: gerald@csoft.UUCP (Gerald Abshez)
Organization: Hmmm, have to get some.

In article (???) Helge Olsen writes:
>From: di1helol@caligula.his.se (Helge Olsen)
>Message-ID: <9212090850.AA12293@caligula.his.se>
>
>Is there any GUI available for COHERENT 3.2(.1A)? If there isn't, are there anon
>e interested in writing one? I consider myself an intermediate C-programmer,
>so it would be good if a GOOD programmer joined in. The GUI would not neccessari
>ly need to be X, but it would be NICE.
>  Anyone interested? Well, then please mail me (not the list?) and tell me. If s
>omeone could send me a devicedriver, I could start writing the basic graphics fu
>nctions. I don't have the DDK, so send me a UUD:ed version. And, please flame me
>!
>di1helol@caligula.his.se (Helge Olsen)

I'm interested, although I'm an intermediate C programmer too. If we
could co-ordinate, I'd be happy to put forth my contribution.

Any other takers?

Gerald.
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From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Taylor UUCP on raven does not work
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 18:53:32 PST

kenji@rcac.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:
> I've got an old Taylor UUCP (1.03beta) at raven.alaska.edu archive. It
> did not talk with SunOS 4.0.3 UUCP connected thru Telebit g-protocol
> spoofing. Anybody has successful story on installing and using Taylor
> UUCP?
> 
> I am running Taylor UUCP 1.03 on daemun (my site), so I know how to
> configure it, but I don't know how to debug on Coherent.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> // Kenji
> --
> Kenji Rikitake, cyberspace samurai
> <kenji@rcac.astem.or.jp> <kenji@rd.macrofield.or.jp> <...!uunet!reseau!kenji>
> 
The archive seems to be broken. This makes it impossible to compile,
but the precompiled binaries work. There is a problem with speed
though.

Randy
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From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: Programs for Coherent
Organization: APK Public Access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:54:07 GMT

Laban Seigemann (vagle@hsr.no) wrote:
: I have considered changing my PC's dos to UNIX.
: This Coherent looks good, but is there a lot of programs for it ? 
: Especially some desk-top-publishing, CAD, wordprocessors and
: communication programs.

Comm programs, yes. Word processors.. maybe one or two. Not CAD and DTP
yet as graphics support for Coherent still is under construction.

: How is it to run msdos programs in coherent, is it multitasked ?
: (maybe lame question)

Well, Coherent is a multitasking OS but cannot run DOS in a process.
The extent of DOS compatibility is that you can keep both operating systems
on the hard drive, and Coherent *will* read and write files to DOS partitions
or floppy disks.

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From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Socket Emulation
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 21:34:58 PST

patbob@sequent.com (Patrick White) writes:
> In article <9301062205.AA16301@PCS.CNU.EDU> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
> >        Most support seems best on the net.  Linux questions get answers
> >in a week at the worst, a few hours usually.  Same with Coherent.  I
> >think MWC does an OK job and their support is what your $99 gets you.
> 
> 	Coherent is good for what it is, and one of those things is a
> net-independent support organization.  
> Pat White (patbob@sequent.com, work: (503) 578-3463)
Linux IS getting easy to install and reliable. But that newsgroup is
pure bloat. carrying comp.os.linux for a year can cost as much as
Coherent. I think that's why we keep seeing all this discussion of
Linux over here. They need to split comp.os.linux so the linux'ers
don't keep getting lost :)

Randy
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
From: mtarrant@ATK.COM (Mike Tarrant)
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Organization: Alliant TechSystems Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:10:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.165301.2889@news.stolaf.edu> johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson) writes:
>
>In article <1ihc1iINNh6q@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:

>
>   That's a pretty big leap when you compare it to the improvements made from
>   the last version to the present one.  Where do you suppose the MWC is going
>   to *get* all that code from?  Are they dealing with Satan? or *worse*...
>

I tried to figure out who could be worse then Satan to get
code from -- then it occured to me -- Microsoft...
                 - Mike
From: jracine@weber.ucsd.edu (Jeff Racine)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DVIX: Has anyone gotten this to work? Would you kindly enlighten me...
Date: 9 Jan 1993 20:58:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

I recently grabbed DVIX off of SIMTEL, a port of an X previewer for
TeX running under DV/X. I am running DV/X 1.02.

I am using the program with the PK fonts, but the program does not
find the fonts. I set the environment variables
DVIX_FONTS=c:/texfonts/pk and FONTLIST=pk, however the program cannot
find the fonts. THe only way to get the program to work is to set the
environment variable DVIX_FONTS=c:/texfonts/pk/dvi300 (i.e. set the
env variable to a particular resolution subdirectory.).

If anyone has been successful in installing the program, would you
kindly let me know a) how you are defining the pk font directory and
environment variable, and b) what switches you use on the command
line. THe documentation is not too helpful (or maybe I am missing
something obvious).

Thanks for any info. By the way, the product appears to be supurb and,
it is wonderful being able to edit in one window while simultaneously
viewing in another!
-- 
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From: grover@little-charlie.isri.unlv.edu (Kevin Grover)
Subject: Re: DEMACS (i.e. emacs for DOS) and DV/X: incompatible?
Reply-To: grover@isri.unlv.edu
Organization: Information Science Research Institute (UNLV-ISRI)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:34:42 GMT

In article <C0EKyn.BvF@utdallas.edu>, ryoung@utdallas.edu (Ryu Young) writes:
) From: ryoung@utdallas.edu (Ryu Young)
) Subject: DEMACS (i.e. emacs for DOS) and DV/X: incompatible?
) Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:54:23 PST
) 
) Does anybody successfully run "demacs" under DV/X?
) "demacs" is a complete MS-DOS implementation of GNU-Emacs.
)               ^^^^^^^^
) My problem is that as soon as I enter:
) 
) 	C:\> demacs    [Enter key]
) 
) the computer reboots! (Yes, I am serious; I didn't press Ctrl-Ald-Del.)

It may be that DEMACS was compiled w/ an early version of DJGPP that
is not completely compatible w/ DVX (i.e. QEMM).  You may just need to
recompile. 

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From: ryoung@utdallas.edu (Ryu Young)
Subject: DEMACS & DV/X: problem solved...
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:23:20 GMT

Recently I asked:

>Does anybody successfully run "demacs" under DV/X?
>"demacs" is a complete MS-DOS implementation of GNU-Emacs.
>              ^^^^^^^^
>My problem is that as soon as I enter:
>
>	C:\> demacs    [Enter key]
>
>the computer reboots! (Yes, I am serious; I didn't press Ctrl-Alt-Del.)
>	     ^^^^^^^
>(1) I added ANSI.SYS in config.sys. The above happened.
>(2) I didn't added ANSI.SYS. Instead, I ran DVANSI first
>    and then tried DEMACS. The above happened, too.
>
>One more note: "demacs" was compiled using DJGPP (GNU C for MS-DOS).
>As far as I know, the original GNU-Emacs source codes were
>minimally modified.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Young
>

I've received several suggestions, most of which were correct suggestions.
I appreciate them for their quick and excellent helps.

The following is what I understand.

1. demacs.exe was actually a copy of go32.exe.
   In addition, it was a bit out of dated version.
   (Now, I know that if I change go32.exe to abc.exe
    and run it, then it will try to find and run a file
    abc resulted from a DJGPP compilation.)

2. I deleted demacs.exe and copied the new version of go32.exe
   to demacs.exe. It worked fine.

3. In fact, I have several programs compiled using DJGPP.
   So I thought it was not a good idea to have more than
   one copy of go32.exe in my disk. So, I converted
   demacs to demacs.exe (instead of renaming go32.exe to demacs.exe) by:

   	aout2exe demacs
   	del demacs

4. Now, demacs.exe works under DOS and DV/X.

Young

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Subject: Re: Intel CodeBuilder
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 21:52:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.174746.151@umr.edu> mcastle@cs.umr.edu (Michael R Castle) writes:
>In article <1993Jan07.004024.16907@qdeck.com> garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich) writes:
>
>>As of yesterday there is a new (V1.01) of QDPMI.  It is, as before, a full
>>implementation of the 0.9 DPMI spec (we could write a 1.0 DPMI, but no 
>>software supports it).  It is in the process of being spread
>>far and wide.  Anyone that wants a copy in the meanwhile, just send mail to
>>support@qdeck.com or d/l from our bbs or the net.
>
>Well, gee, if this isn't a chicken-or-the-egg problem, I don't know what
>is!!.  No products (and of course the main one I'm thinking about is
>djgpp :-) is going to support DPMI 1.0 until 1.0 servers come out!!!!
>

Well, there you go.  You had to get me started... Nobody can write a 1.0 
DPMI host because it would not "work the way Windows does". <expletives
deleted> Windows in enhanced mode provides 0.9 level DPMI support.  That's
what everyone seems to have written their porgrams expecting. We could
(and certainly will at some point) inplement a 1.0 host.  We'd love to.
Some of the things that are in 1.0 that aren't in 0.9 are things that
Quarterdeck fought long and hard for with the DPMI committee.  Also, 1.0 
_must_ be better since the 1.0 spec is 160 pages and the 0.9 spec is only
97 :^)  But.... if a 1.0 DPMI host will hang your 0.9 programs, do you
still want one yet???  I do, but I probably need therapy even more...

As for DJGPP, it currently uses VCPI.  For now at least I think we're all
better off this way.  There is _nothing_ that DPMI allows you to do that
VCPI can't.  On the other hand DPMI does not allow you to do some things
that you can do via VCPI.  Some folks think that's a superiority of DPMI,
since it protects incompetent programers from themselves.  I am an incompetent
programmer and I still prefer VCPI.  One of the best ways to learn is to
have the system hang when you do something really stupid.  I don't like a
paternalistic environment that won't let me do usefull things because it
fears that I might be a moron and do it wrong and crash ring 0.  I can be
a moron and I have crashed ring 0 more than once.  I did learn from the 
experience though.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: kanakis@hsi.com (Tony Kanakis)
Subject: Misc. questions for DVX and Xterms
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:42:16 GMT


Thanks in advance for your response.

I'm using LWP for DOS just in case there are any items related only to that.

1.) I was to understand that a DOS window open from winx.dvp would provide 
more memory to run a dos program than a dos.dvp window would. I am finding
the opposite, I have less memory available in the Windows' dos window.
Did I here/read something wrong?

2.)I've bumped up my tcpip packets to 32 from 16 in my net.cfg and still can't get winx to run directly and display on my xterm.  I still must run a dos.dvp
and then type 'run winx' to bring up windows.  Any comments/suggestions?

3.) I have Windows 3.0 and want to update to 3.1 
Are there any differences/problems/bugs with DVX and windows 3.1 vs. 3.0? 

4.) I was told I could run a window manager on my DVX server in the same way
I do on my xterm, that is the application runs on another host, ie. a DEC 5900,
and displays on my DVX server screen. The command I was given didn't work.
Does someone have a command and arguments that they have gotten to work?

5.) This is an unrelated question but I seem to be having problems printing
from the winx.dvp window.  I'm not having any problems from the dos.dvp
window, I can print to any of my network printers from there but can't
seem to figure out how to set up Windows to access my network printers.
Has anyone had any of the same problems and what did you do to solve them?
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