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From: carr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Beth Carr)
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:19:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.163113.27613@athena.cs.uga.edu> carr@athena.cs.uga.edu writes:
>Colorado's Amendment 2, which makes it illegal to pass any legislation in
>the state protecting gays & lesbians from harassment (or protecting their
>right not to be fired because of their identity), FAILED.
>
>Iowa's ERA FAILED.
>
>Tampa repealed an ordinance protecting lesbians & gays from harassment.
>
>This is a sad day. To all you Creton men out there who are going to reply
>about how lesbians & gays don't need protection, think about this: Every
>day, in every city, gays & lesbians are yelled at, beaten up and fired from
>their jobs - not because they've done anything TO their attackers, but
>merely because they exist. They must hide their identity's merely in the
>hopes of keeping their jobs - the only route to self-support & self-esteem
>in our capitalist society.
>Since the campaigning for Oregon's Prop. 9 - which would have given gays &
>lesbians the civil rights of, say, convicted child molesters - gay-bashing
>has risen by (i think) 30 percent. Last month a retarded gay man had been
>attacked by skin heads on several occasions; a black lesbian moved in with
>him to protect him: BOTH WERE KILLED IN A FIREBOMBING LATER THE SAME WEEK!!
>If the proposition had passed, that would not be classified as a hate crime.
>Kinda like, the Nazi's didn't kill people because they were Jewish (or
>Gypsies, or Gay/Lesbian, or Socialist).
>
>Happy that we're finally out from under the Republican yoke; happy that
>Carol Mosely Braun won (is that correct?); happy that Prop. 9 didn't pass
>(only a 10% margin).
>Sad that Americans have sent a clear message that they don't believe one
>should have the right love whomever one desires. (and not suffer injury,
>economic retribution or even death for that choice)
>
>- Sad in Georgia
>
>
From: gt5254a@prism.gatech.EDU (William Herrin)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:12:38 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov11.192039.8208@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> oaa@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (owen.a.alexander) writes:
>Anyway, let me stop here, before I start to get angry.  Am I
>anti-homosexual? Yes!  Would I disciminate against or harrass them? No.
>I still stand firm that I don't think that specific laws addressing a
>single group is necessary in this case, but general laws should be
>sufficient.

   A general law works, until. Until a legislature (typically local) passes
a specific law to the contrary or until a court creates a specific exclusion.
Then its necessary to establish a specific law at a higher level to achieve
the same thing the general law was trying to do.

  Or to put it another way, states need to pass "gay protection" laws in order
to counteract anti-gay laws at local and county levels where the religious
right has a stronger hold.


>As a side issue; some people complain how Christians are trying to push
>their morality on others.  I think the gay agenda is a clear case of
>homosexuals trying to push their (im-)morality on others.
>The hypocracy of it is amazing to me.

   Two notes on this:
1) Most people don't complain about "Christians" pushing their morality on
others... They complain about "The Religious Right" (i.e. deeply religious
far-right wing conservatives) trying to push their morality on others.
People like Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan.

2) There's a significant difference between the "gay agenda" and the
"religious right agenda". The RR's imposition says, "Gay is not right,
therefore YOU will not do it and YOU will not think it is right." The gays
imposition says, "Gay is none of your busniness therefore whether you
personally like it or not, you will not stop me from doing it nor hinder me
because I do it." The RR is telling the gays that they have no right to be
gay, while the gays are telling the RR that only the individual gay has the
authority to decide that.

  Am I being clear on my second point? If not, I'll be happy to elaborate.


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From: pdomain@emory.edu (Mike Mitten)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:09:47 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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In article <1992Nov4.171920.436@athena.cs.uga.edu> carr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Beth Carr) writes:
>Colorado's Amendment 2, which makes it illegal to pass any legislation in
>the state protecting gays & lesbians from harassment (or protecting their
>right not to be fired because of their identity), FAILED.
                                                   ^^^^^^
I think you meant to say that it *passed* (which does indeed suck).

In article <1992Nov6.144129.16154@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> owen.a.alexander (oaa@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:
>[...] I don't think that homosexuals should
>be given special treatment and protection because of their lifestyle or
>because a lot of people don't like it or harrass them.

I'm not aware of anyone who wants "special treatment", unless you
believe that being treated as a human being is special.

>                                                        There are
>already laws against harrassment, laws against abuse, laws against
>violence, laws against job discrimination, etc. that should be
>sufficient.  Homosexuals are not the only ones harrassed because of
>their lifestyle.  I would think that mixed race couples, ex-convicts,
>overweight people, and others I can't think of are harrassed also, but
>we don't need special laws singling out every group and protecting them
>by name.  We already have general broad laws which serve that purpose.

You may want to check with former employees of Cracker Barrel, who
were fired because CB managment *thought* they were gay.  I doubt
they will agree with you that existing laws are "sufficient."

  -Mike Mitten

Mike Mitten - pdomain@emory.edu - Irony is the spice of life. - DoD#522
I do not speak for Emory University, nor for Public Domain, Inc.
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Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Needed equipment...
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 01:09:34 EST
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From: gt5254a@prism.gatech.EDU (William Herrin)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:46:27 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <74585@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
>The Christian (Biblical) position is that homosexuality is not right,
>but neither are murder, robbery, theft, and adultery.
	Its also the Biblical position that the non-belief in God is wrong,
yet we've lived with no problem for more than 200 years with a constitutionally
garanteed freedom of religion.

>  The position
>taken by these latest referendums call for the position to be understood
>that we (which is more than just Christians or RR Christians) don't
>want to be told that homosexuality is going to be pushed in our face.
>To my knowledge the move is not to keep a homosexual from THINKING it is 
>right, but to say at a government level that homosexuality is not to be
>supported or promoted as A OK.
  That depends on what you mean by "supported and promoted". If you mean that
heterosexuality should be promoted instead, then you are wrong. If you mean
that no type of sexuality should be promoted by the government then you are
right. As I understand it, the referendums in question said #1 not #2.
  The thing to avoid is for business to be able to take action against
someone _because_ they are gay -- Not because they are abnoxiously vocal about
the fact, but merely because they are gay.

>  (That is if one wants to do it, then
>don't ask me, my government, or my money to support it.  There is plenty
>of art that is wrongly supported by the National Endowment for the Arts 
>department with my tax dollars that both attack my religious beliefs and 
>my morals.)

   The national endowment for the arts was established so that American art
would make it through the recession. Whether or not theres still a need for
it to exist at all is questionable, but if it continues to exist, then the
government should have little or no say in what kinds of art it supports:
The art of our culture means _all_ the art.

>>imposition says, "Gay is none of your busniness therefore whether you
>>personally like it or not, you will not stop me from doing it nor hinder me
>If it is pushed upon my beliefs and I can't reject it, you are wrong.
>Christian for-profit radio stations in California cannot deny a job
>to one because one is homosexual nor can they fire one who is an activist
>for their position even while on the job.
  You may reject it on a personal level if you want to. (Frankly, I think its
kind of sick.) However, just as with freedom of religion, you don't (or at
least shouldn't) have the right to reject it on a professional or governmental
level.



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Newsgroups: ga.general
From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck)
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Organization: University of Georgia
Distribution: ga
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:45:08 GMT

oaa@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (owen.a.alexander) writes:
>Anyway, let me stop here, before I start to get angry.  Am I
>anti-homosexual? Yes!  Would I disciminate against or harrass them? No.
>I still stand firm that I don't think that specific laws addressing a
>single group is necessary in this case, but general laws should be
>sufficient.

Arrghh!!  What a horribly politically incorrect thing to say!   Oh, I think
I see the problem.  You're not only a Creton, you're a Creton *MAN*.  I'm
not exactly what a "Creton man" is, but  it sounds pretty bad; I'm afraid
I may be one too.

(Incidentally, the original "Sad Day For Liberty" poster, Beth Carr, said
not only that Creton men were likely to be offended by her statements, but
also that things were looking up now that the Republicans were out of office.
Now, I consider myself a Democrat (for lack of anything else), but contrary
to what Beth Carr or Pat Buchanan might think, my vote for Clinton was NOT
a vote for "gay marriages."  I don't like the idea (that's put forth by
Democrats AND Republicans alike) that that's what the Democratic party stands
for.)

>As a side issue; some people complain how Christians are trying to push
>their morality on others.  I think the gay agenda is a clear case of
>homosexuals trying to push their (im-)morality on others.
>The hypocrisy of it is amazing to me.

Exactly.  I'm not condoning physical "gay-bashing" in any way, but 
homosexuals are protected from getting beaten up by exactly the same laws
that protect me from getting beaten up.   Any laws specifically designed
to protect that segment of the population would not serve a prohibatory
function as much as a legitimizing function, as you said.  It would serve
as the official legal standpoint of the U.S./Georgia/wherever towards
homsexuality, but it should be obvious that there are a whole lot of people
in the U.S. who DON'T see homsexuality as a valid "lifestyle choice."

It has become politically correct not only to accept homosexuality as a
valid "lifestyle choice," (in fact, I think we've gotten to the point where
you're super politically correct if you say it's not a choice, that it's
biological), but also to equate "homophobia" (an incredibly ill-chosen
and PC word) with racism, sexism, and the like.  I find racism and sexism
very offensive, and I find it equally offensive that many homsexuals (and
defenders thereof) claim the same protection under the Civil Rights legislation 
as people who are BORN of a non-white race or BORN female.  Until I see
evidence that homosexuality is biological and is NOT a choice, I won't feel
any guilt in thinking that it's wrong and certainly doesn't deserve any
special legislation to legitimize it as a way of life.

Chuck "Damn!  There goes my place as a good Democrat!" Jordan

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"Braggar."
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Newsgroups: ga.general
From: oaa@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (owen.a.alexander)
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Alpharetta, GA
Distribution: ga
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:20:39 GMT

In article <568.2AFDFF11@gisatl.fidonet.org> deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org (David Deitch) writes:
>The problem with general broad laws is that they are open to interpretation
>as to whom they cover.  And all to often, they are interpreted as to not
>cover those minority categories with whome we are uncomfortable.
>
>          David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta

Yes, that is a problem with general laws, but in this case I would not
like to see a specific law for a variety of reasons.
A general law against harrassment, violence, etc. can be sufficient to
cover the specific behavior of individuals without addressing the
motivation for that behavior.  If I harrass someone in the same way
because they are short or they are gay, I should be guilty of the same
crime.  When specific groups are targeted it does a few things:

  1. it legitimize and validates that group

  a law singling out a person's sexual preference makes one think that
  their preference must be valid, if the law is going to protect them
  by name.  How would you feel if a law protecting released convicted
  child molestors from harrassment were enacted?  Yes, everyone should
  be protected from harrassment or worse, but when you single out
  specific groups, whose practices are not commonly accepted, I think
  it validates that group's practices.

  2. it sets the foundation for more laws specific to that group

  this builds on the first point I made.  Once you have a law that
  protects a group by name, then I think it would be easier to pass
  other laws favoring that group.  If there were a law protecting
  homosexuals by name from harrassment and discrimination, then I would
  think that it would be easier for homosexuals to lobby schools and
  employers for sensitivity classes on "Homophobia" which, from
  experience, are pure proproganda that is very one-sided and pushes the
  gay agenda.

Anyway, let me stop here, before I start to get angry.  Am I
anti-homosexual? Yes!  Would I disciminate against or harrass them? No.
I still stand firm that I don't think that specific laws addressing a
single group is necessary in this case, but general laws should be
sufficient.

As a side issue; some people complain how Christians are trying to push
their morality on others.  I think the gay agenda is a clear case of
homosexuals trying to push their (im-)morality on others.
The hypocracy of it is amazing to me.

Owen Alexander
From: gnome@pd.org (mike mitten)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:42:33 GMT
Distribution: ga
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

USENET's Chuck (jordan@castor) wrote:
>[...] Until I see
>evidence that homosexuality is biological and is NOT a choice, I won't feel
>any guilt in thinking that it's wrong and certainly doesn't deserve any
>special legislation to legitimize it as a way of life.

Well, if homosexuals choose to be homosexual, then you obviously are
choosing to be heterosexual, right?  You choose who you are attracted
too?  You choose who you fall in love with?  You say to yourself, 'Well,
I could find her attractive, if I wanted to, but I think I'd rather not?'

I didn't think so.

  -Mike

Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - DoD#522
Irony is the spice of life.
From: Martin.Brooks@gtri.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: need 2 tickets to Garth Brooks concert
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:12:41 GMT

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Subject: Re: Wanted: 386DX motherboard
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Organization: Auburn University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 01:01:03 GMT
From: dave@isye.gatech.edu (Dave Thurman)
Newsgroups: ga.forsale
Subject: FOR SALE:  Apple ImageWriter II
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:38:22 GMT

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Email your offers.

-dave
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From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON)
Newsgroups: ga.forsale,git.ads,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: PS/2 stuff for sale.
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:46:03 GMT
Followup-To: ga.forsale
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

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Thanks,
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Newsgroups: git.ads,ga.forsale
Subject: Tickets for Sale
Keywords: Baryshnikov
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:06:47 GMT
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Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


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Newsgroups: ga.forsale
Subject: 1983 Honda Civic
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:20:28 GMT
Reply-To: cover@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

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Newsgroups: ga.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: Akitas for Sale
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From: gt7200a@prism.gatech.EDU (Robert Cheng)
Newsgroups: git.ads,ga.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: Airline Ticket from Atlanta to New Orleans - For Sale
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:53:43 GMT
Followup-To: git.ads
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


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