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From: cfernand@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl 
Subject: some questions
Originator: cfernand@cecux1
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 03:27:21 GMT
Distribution: alt.oobe
Organization: Centro de Computacion, Universidad de Chile

Hi everyone in this group:

        I've just read the last articles posted here. I've read a kind
of "Guide" posted by r9h@jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu (I think that it's article
135) Very good guide.
        Well, I guess that someone could help me with some questions.
I know about this kind of experiences from some time ago. I read some
books about the topic and I started trying to have an OOBE. First thing
I do is to go to bed and relax. Then I start feeling my body part by part,
ie, I try to keep my mind concentrated in only me toes (for example). Then
I try to relax that part of my body until I feel some strange sensation
that I'd describe like a "complete inactivity" of the zone. Part by Part
I relax all my body trying to feel that sensation. Then distances become
different and distortioned. I "see" the objects very far, but I feel like
if they were right 30 cm away. (I don't know what does this sensation means,
or if this is correct or wrong).
        At this point I can't really do anything more, and the sensation
of the distances is not very nice, so I usually stay this way for 3 minutes
and then I quit trying to have the OOBE.

        But I've had another experience that I don't really know if it is
an OOBE or not. At the point when I feel the change in the distances I
see, I start feeling as if I were lower than the floor (but I can see
that the floor is not over me). Then I feel like falling. I try to stay
in that way, but soon it all disappears.
        This is something that I can't control, and sometimes it happens,
and sometimes it does not happen. Can anybody here tell me if this is
and OOBE (or the beginning of...) or not? And how can I control this
experience (if I can)?

        Another question: Since I start reading this newsgroup I started
trying to have an OOBE again. Now there's another problem here. I can't
get a state of concentration, no matter if I'm alone and in silence or
if I'm in a downtown street. I guess that the general environment that
sorrounds someone can directly affect the power of relaxation. I mean,
if you are going to loose your job, or your girl, or any other thing
that's filling up your mind at every time.... then you're not having
good conditions to try to squeeze your mind to use it at will. Maybe I'm
not very clear, but this kind of situations stay in your mind, even when
you're doing something else.
        Does that kind of problems reduces the posibility to have an
OOBE? And if they do, How can I override them?

        And the last question for this article: It's known that some
people can control their minds better that some other ones. Is that
a genetical condition?

        Well, enough for now. Thanks in advance for any answers.

                                        Erich Reimberg.
                                        cfernand@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: The "alpha" state
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:42:08 GMT
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In <1992Sep9.010424.15968@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> 9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au writes:

> In the 14 years of the existance of this course, they have trained
> 28,000 people.  They offer a complete money-back guarantee, which
> apparently no-one ever exercises - I sure wouldn't because I feel I got
> so much out of the course.
> 
> The first quarter of the course covers getting into the alpha state.
> The rest of it teaches you really neat ways to use the alpha state to do
> some incredible things.

Who offers this course?
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:58:42 -0400 
From: Andy Kurtz <ak35+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ViBrAtIoNs
	<lb9i71INN950@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>

>Here's what happened to me on Sat. morn. (I can only seem to get close
when I s
>leep
>in very late and reach that groggy state of half awake, half asleep)
> 
>Vibrations started...it's hard to describe what happened next, I sort
of mental
>ly
>"pushed" and the vibrations intensified.  But that was as far as I
could get.  >I
>reached a point where I could "feel" when it was right and mentally
pushed and 
>induced the vibrations myself, that was a step forward.  I couldn't get
all the
>way out though...tried 3 of 4 times.  Finally gave up & slept for 2
more hours.
> 
>Any suggestions/comments?

Just about the same thing happened to me on Saturday morning, also. 
Feeling myself awake, I realized that, although my eyes were closed, I
could see fuzzy detail in the room -- a classic obe symptom.  I jumped
at the chance (so to speak) and attempted to think myself "up".  My body
began to vibrate in a very "aural" way, albeit w/o sound (this stuff is
very difficult to describe).  Like, James, however, I could not get up,
even though the seeing-through-eyelids sensation lasted for a good ten
minutes (estimated).  At one point, the vibrations were strong enough
that I was certain my body was actually moving.  However, my wife, a
light sleeper, would've noticed and she does not remember me having any
"bad dreams" or anything.  Like James, I gave up and went back to sleep.
 The actual "giving up" was interesting in that I had the feeling of
going from one state to another -- and afterwards I was wide awake. 
After "giving up" I realized that my body had been, for all practical
purposes, paralyzed during the whole incident and this probably explains
why the "giving up" was somewhat disorienting.

andy
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: The "alpha" state.
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:19:13 GMT

Mitch Davis (9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au) wrote:
: To those people who wanted the name of the book with an alpha-like
: technique in it; sorry, I looked and the book has gone walkabout.
: I guess I should use alpha to sift back through my memory and find it!
: 
: Mitch.

perhaps you could post a description of how to get into the alpha state
I for one (and I am sure others) would appreciate it very much.

Sascha

Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.dreams,alt.consciousness,alt.paranormal,alt.config
From: tvos@ais.org (David A Warner)
Subject: Astra-Eyes
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:30:18 GMT


Wanna hear something interesting..??

Last night, I was looking at my computer screen while falling asleep
and my eyes were wide open.. So what took place is I was able to place
myself
into the hypnotic state without closing my eyes.. (( The experiences was
like
a vivid daydream, could not escape out of it for awhile, just weird events
took place, but I could feel that I was still in tact with the physical but
staring out both eyes at the same time. )).................

Until than,

The Voice Of Silence
:wq
From: 9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: The "alpha" state
Summary: My experiences with the alpha state.
Keywords: alpha relax oobe rainbow
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:04:24 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

Well, I've had quite a few enquiries about the "alpha" state I
mentioned, ie:

> Do you think that you could describe how to achieve this Alpha Wave
> state, as I am very interested in what you said.
> It may be worth posting your reply, as I'm sure many others would be
> interested.

Well the course I did involved quite a technique, including such things
as taking a rainbow, and associating each colour with a state of body
relaxation.  Then when you think through the rainbow, your body
automatically relaxes.  Also things like thinking of favourite places,
etc.

Once you learn to recognise when you're in the alpha state, you don't
need all the mental paraphernalia, you can just slide into it.  Usually
takes me about 15 seconds.

I'm struggling to find the words needed to tell you how home-viewers can
try this.  Sit in a comfy chair and make sure you're comfortable, and
face somewhere static, ie, not moving.  I find I prefer to keep my eyes
open, otherwise I go to sleep!

Then breathe out all your tension.  Each breath takes a little more
tension out.  First your toes, feet, etc, until you are totally relaxed.

Note that I didn't say "look" anywhere.  As you become more and more
relaxed, the nitty gritty of what goes on around you will become less
and less important to you as a person.  You are free to start feeling
yourself.

I find that when I get really relaxed, and into the alpha state that I
start to not be able to feel my body.  I can still do anything with it,
however I'm no longer bombarded by "I'm still here" messages from every
part of me.

I don't know how useful this is to readers of alt.oobe - It hasn't
helped me have an oobe, but it sure is a neat way of relaxing.

In the 14 years of the existance of this course, they have trained
28,000 people.  They offer a complete money-back guarantee, which
apparently no-one ever exercises - I sure wouldn't because I feel I got
so much out of the course.

The first quarter of the course covers getting into the alpha state.
The rest of it teaches you really neat ways to use the alpha state to do
some incredible things.

I'm sold.

Mitch.
From: marc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Marcelino Enriquez)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Trouble relaxing eyelids
Date: 5 Sep 1992 07:33:24 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu


	Hi! Everyone, I have been following posts here since the group
	started. Hopefully someone out there can help me out with this
	little problem. I will start by saying that I have not yet
	experienced an oobe. My problem is that when I start to relax and
	all of my body starts to feel numb, I begin to concentrate on staying
	conscience. But as soon as I do this I have to force my self to keep
	my eyelids closed. This strain starts to hurt after a while and I
	give up on my try to oob. What am I doing wrong? Also this only
	seems to happen when my mind starts to think about my eyes. Your
	probably saying 'Just don't think about it', well I have and it
	still hasn't worked. I just can't seem to tell myself not to mention
	eyes or the thought of sight.

	
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Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: cfernand@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl 
Subject: Alpha waves
Originator: cfernand@cecux1
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 19:19:21 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Centro de Computacion, Universidad de Chile

9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis) Writes:

>This state is incredibly peaceful.  You are able to do some amazing
>things - you can lose total awareness of your body, and in fact, even as
>I look down now, it's as if someone else is typing on the keyboard.

  Do you mean that you can increase the amplitude of alpha waves when you
are typing here? I suppose that you were in a deep state of concentration
Is that right? and if it is, How can you relax when you're writing an
article? Is that some special kind of relaxation?

								 Erich Reimberg N.
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Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: Vibrations ??
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:09:27 GMT

 (SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
> From what I have read in the posts here, it seems as if vibrations occuring
> in the body are a very good indication to the entering of the oobe-state.  I
> dont know for sure if I am getting the RIGHT vibrations thou.  it is usually
> a sensation starting in the back of the neck and extending sort of to the
> rest of my body.  ok here is the problem, I usually relax and after
> concentrating for say 15-20 minutes I can almost get these vibrations but
> after that nothing ever seems to happen.  so can anyone point out what I
> shud be doing ?
> 
> Kumar

all I can say is that I have had these virbrations for a long time, and I have
not been travelling yet.
having these virbrations and shivers could also mean that a spirit enity is
close, or indeed that an enity just passed through you (particularly for
sudden shivers)

Sascha
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: The "alpha" state.
From: chris@actrix.gen.nz (Chris Double)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:34:18 GMT
Organization: Actrix Networks

9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis) writes:
> To those people who wanted the name of the book with an alpha-like
> technique in it; sorry, I looked and the book has gone walkabout.
> I guess I should use alpha to sift back through my memory and find it!
> 
> Mitch.

I remember a book called 'The Silva Mind Control Technique' (or
something similar) by Jose Silva that taught how to use the alpha
state of the mind. It also covers a course they run on the subject.

Hope this helps!

Chris Double.
chris@actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Penetrating physical objects (was Re: Need a good description...)
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:25:12 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <11SEP199223592605@zeus.tamu.edu> wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu writes:

> Has anyone tried to put thier hand thru a wall or floor recently
> during an oobe?  

    I've done a number of experiments along these lines with varied results. I
have found that solid objects generally feel solid at first but can be
penetrated if the penetration is done slowly.  There is usually a tingling
sensation associated with the penetrations and a suggestion of sparks or other
light generated. Several times I have passed or attempted to pass through a
window, wall or ceiling only to find an empty void on the other side.  This
can be very confusing in the case of a window when you can see a real place on
the other side but when you stick your head through there's nothing there. 
Once I pressed the forefinger of one hand through the palm of the other. It 
made a dull green glow as it went and although it penetrated to the third 
knuckle it never emerged from the other side of the hand.

   Recently I have tried to avoid these kinds of interactions with physical 
objects.  The reason being that they usually result in an abrubt end to the 
experience. As a result, my most recent OBEs have been much longer than the 
previous ones.
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: tvos@ais.org (David A Warner)
Subject: Astral-Projection (Tvos)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:21:24 GMT

Pretty interesting information  presented in the posts above, ahh this is
what I can bring to you people from my trips..

The vibrations is a darn good key when trying to reconizning the astral
state, or again this state can be obtained by feelings, emotions and just
knowing when the time is right... I don't know if this state is the same
state you people talk about < Alpha State >, but it
is deffinitly between falling/awaking from sleep......


Thats interesting having that ability to control your input with the alpha
state for relaxation or learning intake...Makes learning little easyier..


I've been trying to start leaving my body on a daily basis but it's been a
very
 long time < nearly two years >, so I'm kinda of re-learning the techinique
again.. I've been able to project on/off about every other month but nothing
like I was able to in the past.. Guess it's just work....like anything
else..


Here are some tips that might help...


Live & Breath Recitation Thru The Day
Ex: Auto Suggestion.. I will leave my body, or I'll remain awake in the
alpha state and will leave my body....

Dreams: Try to break into consciouness thru your dreams.. 
Ex: This is the tough one, try to focus your attention on an object, like
hands
mirror, trees or whatever helps at that moment in time.. Reason for this,
the
longer the stare of focus, the clearer the astral-plane becomes becuase your
breaking out of the dreary dream world..
(( Kinda Of Like Being Drunk In The Dream And Sobbering Up ))


Your convictions must be strong/fear does not help, always blocks your 
objections so this must be forgotten, or at least controlled...

Last I find the most, understand why your're doing this, not just for the
fun of leaving, experimentation, learning about your alternate worlds that

rests aside from the physical.. Not trying to have a upper hand in a new 
found power.. Also, when you there, feel the beauty, warmth, mysterious and
amazment of that world.. Learn as much you can to work your way up
higher....

The Voice Of Silence
.
.

Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu (BRUTON, WILLIAM DANIEL)
Subject: Re: Trouble relaxing eyelids
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:46:00 GMT

In article <189ns4INNdkg@agate.berkeley.edu>, marc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Marcelino Enriquez) writes...
> 
>	Hi! Everyone, I have been following posts here since the group
>	started. Hopefully someone out there can help me out with this
>	little problem. I will start by saying that I have not yet
>	experienced an oobe. My problem is that when I start to relax and
>	all of my body starts to feel numb, I begin to concentrate on staying
>	conscience. But as soon as I do this I have to force my self to keep
>	my eyelids closed. This strain starts to hurt after a while and I
>	give up on my try to oob. What am I doing wrong?

I don't think that is is necessary to keep ones eyes closed to have an oobe.
It helps because it reduces sensory inputs, but keeping you eyes open may
help you stay conscious longer and give the body more time to relax.
Some people suggest that one keep their eyes pointed slightly upward with a 
gentle gaze toward the point between the eyebrows.  This seems to help 
concentration with eyes closed or open and keeps the eyes still.

>       Also this only
>	seems to happen when my mind starts to think about my eyes. Your
>	probably saying 'Just don't think about it', well I have and it
>	still hasn't worked. I just can't seem to tell myself not to mention
>	eyes or the thought of sight.
> 
>	
>-- 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Marcelino Enriquez			Internet: marc@ocf.berkeley.edu
>University of California, Berkeley	OCF (Open Computing Facility)

Just as it is possible to "turn off" touch by relaxing (becoming numb),
I think it is possible to turn off sight with the physical eyes even
if the eyes are open.  For example, did you ever just stare into space
while sitting in a classroom or meeting?  You're not really looking at  
anything....just thinking....right?

Anyway, I have similar problem with my eyes.  I find that it helps if I just
concentrate on my eyes instead of trying to forget them....
gives me something to concentrate on so that my thoughts do not 
stray away from the goal.  So, I suggest just keeping the eyes
open if it feels natural. 

Hope this was helpful,
Dan
From: marc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Marcelino Enriquez)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Need a good description of what one experiences when entering an oobe
Date: 11 Sep 1992 06:33:08 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu

	Last night I went to sleep like most nights except something strange
occured that I am not sure what to make of. During the course of my sleep
I regained consciousness in my sleep and I was aware of this. Besides being
aware of being conscious I was terrified at first of a loud crackling noise
entering my ears as thou some kind of static electricity was being
discharged and I felt my entireself fluttering or pulsating. I am not completely
sure if it was just in my head, but it seemed real. Then realizing that I
might be in the state which many of you say could lead to an oobe I began to
put thoughts in my mind of seperation from the body except I lost control as
well as my awareness and woke up later in the morning with the above in my
mind. Can anyone explain or share exactly what does happen when entering an
oobe so abruptly, so I can at least know if I am heading in the right
direction.
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Marcelino Enriquez			Internet: marc@ocf.berkeley.edu
University of California, Berkeley	OCF (Open Computing Facility)
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:58:20 GMT
Subject: Re: alt.out-of-body newsgroup created!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.consciousness
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


In article <1992Sep15.074214.110@gnosys.svle.ma.us>,
gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
|> Thanks again to everyone who voted, and to Jude, who helped me to count
|> the votes.
|> Gary
	Well I think that Gary and Jude, and anyone else who helped with
	what looked like a very tedious job deserve a big
	_____  
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	  |    |__|   /_ \  | \ | |<      V  < > |  |   |
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	from us all.

	Cheers,

		RIK


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From: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: ViBrAtIoNs
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:16:17 GMT
Reply-To: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: cadillac

Here's what happened to me on Sat. morn. (I can only seem to get close when I sleep
in very late and reach that groggy state of half awake, half asleep)

Vibrations started...it's hard to describe what happened next, I sort of mentally
"pushed" and the vibrations intensified.  But that was as far as I could get.  I
reached a point where I could "feel" when it was right and mentally pushed and 
induced the vibrations myself, that was a step forward.  I couldn't get all the
way out though...tried 3 of 4 times.  Finally gave up & slept for 2 more hours.

Any suggestions/comments?

J~
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: tvos@ais.org (David A Warner)
Subject: Enriquez
Summary: Welcome To The World Of Vibrations!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:18:54 GMT

quez, welcome to the world between physical and astral, this state
you encounted is the state between falling asleep and awakening, extremly
powerfull bud, but your on the right course, little scary huh??

don't worry it's get better.....::)))
anyways, try to achieve that state and you can slip out of your body with
ease and start learning...


later


The Voice Of SIlence
.
:wq

Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.dreams,alt.consciousness,alt.paranormal,alt.config
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: VOTE RESULTS: "alt.out-of-body" newsgroup name passes!
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:43:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.042706.14909@gnosys.svle.ma.us> I write:

> The electronic polls are now closed, and the votes are in...

Oops.  I just found a mistake:

> gte.com!seb3 1/1

This was an editing error, resulting in missing counting a vote.

Chalk up one for vote for alt.oobe.  It doesn't change the outcome, though.

Gary
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    Gary S. Trujillo                             gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts               {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst