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From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: Re: Virginia vs NCSU game (was My Top 25)
Originator: currin@poult1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:07:31 GMT


In article <009637FF.3BA29FA0@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU>, mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU) writes:

|>References: <1992Nov10.135342.10153@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <mp.721507113@news.ncsu.edu>,<1dtjlpINNl9k@rave.larc.nasa.gov>
|>Distribution: na
|>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:39:46 EST
|>
|>>
|>>Tell that to George Welsh. There have been articles in the paper here
|>>recently about some of the players being upset at Welsh's offensive
|>>calls. The passing game was going so well at the beginning of the year,
|>>the coaches apparently told the players that Virginia football meant 
|>>running the ball and they were going to have to change things. That's
|>>when the offense starting going down the drain. 
|>>
|>>>
|>>>It was unbelievable. I have heard other teams being booed by their own
|>>>fans before, but right after ONE missed pass? only a few plays into the
|>>>game?
|>>
|>>It wasn't after *one* missed pass. It was after watching an offense that 
|>>started off the season scoring 45 points per game score a whopping
|>>1 touchdown against Division I teams in 10 quarters of football. I
|>>agree that booing your team is a little much and if I was at
|>>the agme, I'd probably be a little upset, but you have no idea how
|>>frustrating it is to watch a team flop when you know they can do
|>>much better.
|>>
|>>I disagree with your assessment that the fans didn't allow their
|>>team to win. IMHO, the coaching staff is completely to blame for
|>>Virginia's recent performance.         
|>>
|>>
|>
|>
|>While I agree that coaches actions sometimes warrent booing ultimately
|>it's the players that are hurt by it regardless of who the boo's
|>are aimed at. When you think of all the work those guys put in just
|>for the chance to play football a few weekends a year and then their own
|>fans boo when they play. What good does it do? It just hurts the players
|>confidence and makes a bad situation worse.  Save the critisim for the
|>coaches radio show or some other forum and give the players all of the
|>support you can during the game.
|>
|>
|>
On the subject of booing and frustrated fans.
I agree coaches know it comes with the territory. More so with some territory.
The players have fragile egos. They are between 18 and 22 for Pete's sake!
Most fans have been frustrated by their teams performance. I know I was during
three consective 3-8 years with Tom Reed. UNC fans must have been frustrated
after firing Crum to go 2-20 the first two years with Mack. UVA fans must have
been frustrated before and just after Welsh arrived. Heck Of the the Pack's 3
victories in 1985 one was against UVA at homecoming. People don't schedule
UVA for homecoming too often now, UVA fans should take pride in that.

RC 
disclaimer (I will never work for a UVA grad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu (David Mathias)
Subject: Re: Northern Iowa no longer unbeaten
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:38:19 GMT

In article <BxGnBJ.E57@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:

>
[lots of stuff deleted]
>
>As for the rankings, if they are done properly, with no bias toward later games
>the number 1 ranking could legitimately go to one of many teams inc UNI, 
>Delaware, or the Citadel, etc.  In fact, if Florida A&M still only has two
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
>losses (with one against Miami which I never count in my rankings anyway),
>they could claim number one as well.
>
>It will be an interesting week in the IAA r.s.f.c poll.
>
>paul
>

But, discounting Miami, Florida A&M doesn't play a very tough schedule;
at least not as tough as that of UNI, Delaware or the Citadel.

According to the NCAA, however, NE Louisiana is number 1 with the Citadel
second and Delaware third.  Florida A&M is 8.

-- 

David Mathias    Washington University in St Louis    dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu

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From: pruett@b15.ingr.com (Debbie Pruett)
Subject: Re: Bama Mich schedules: my last comment
Summary: The TIDE
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:06:07 GMT

In article <BILLMS.92Nov4200449@dip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> Dave Meeks and I have managed to go back and forth a bit on the Alabama/Mich
> schedule question: which is atrocious, and which is just not at all
> impressive.  I was defending my school by claiming that Bama's is about
> as bad as Mich's, not saying that my team had played a rough schedule.  I
> asked (not dave, I forgot who it was, but dave responded) if somebody had
> compared the strength of the top three opponents played by each team using
> one of the many power rankings. Dave jumped in and said that power rankings
> are for the birds, they stress blow outs (seems to me personally this is much
> more true of the standard polls unless you are from houston), and should be
> avoided.  Instead, I grabbed the *first* power poll posted after that and
> compared the strength of each teams opponents so far.  Here they are, from
> the marsee ranking:
> 
> Mich		Bama
> ------------------------
> 825 notre dame  678 tenn
> 588 iu          640 miss
> 581 purdue      549 smiss
> 560 msu         542 ark
> 548 iowa        518 s carolina
> 527 houston     515 vandy
> 521 okstate     440 latech
> 461 minn        395 tulane
> 
> Using my admitadly arbitrary suggestion, i.e. compare the top three,  I think
> it looks pretty close.  ND is much tougher than Tenn (this I believe), miss
> is tougher than iu, and purdue beats smiss.  
> 
> We could also take the arithmetic mean and get Mich: 576.375 Bama: 534.625
> 
> Personally, I'd be inclined to listen to an argument that both teams have
> played rotten schedules.  Or that the difference between the two is pretty
> small.  Or that mich's is tougher because their #1 is much tougher than
> Bama's #1 (this I believe), and their average opponent is also tougher.  But
> if you want to argue that Bama's schedule puts it ahead of michigans, I think
> your not nearly as unbiased as you believe.
> 
> Bama may in fact be the better team, we probably will have a pretty good idea
> by the end of the year.  I have no idea, I haven't seen them at all.  But
> their schedule doesn't prove it, and neither team's fans are in much of a
> position to throw stones at the other.
> 
> At this point, I'd like to step back so that Debbie from ingr.com can jump in
> and type "Roll Tide" a few times. 
> 
> Debbie?
> 
> Bill
> --
> -------------------------------
> 	Bill Mangione-Smith
> 	billms@eecs.umich.edu

Roll Tide!!!!
They are going to do win it all!!!
Is that OK Bill?
Roll Tide!!!
From: bruce@max.cchem.berkeley.edu (Bruce Spath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: 13 Nov 1992 10:51:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: max.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <cf0qhfm00aw6E_v0UW@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>In an article <1992Nov12.200918.40770@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp
>(Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>>Based on current standings or course of year schedules???  
>>Miami has played #5 FSU, #9 Arizona, and #22 Penn State so far.  They
>>are schedule to face #10 Syracuse next week.
>
>Don't forget they also played Nebraska.  
>
>Will

What in the world are you talking about?  Washington played Nebraska, not
Miami.

Bruce.
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Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:21:05 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov5.224748.24504@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
says:
>
>In article <398@rd1.interlan.com>
>tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes:
>> I don't think that Alabama and the rest of the SEC schools just refuse
>> to play Miami.  They refuse to play anyone good outside the Southeast.
>
>Alabama just finished a 4 year series with Penn. State.  I hope they
>will schedule them again in the future.  In the past, they've also had
>multi-year, regular season games with Nebraska, Notre Dame, and USC,
>to name a few.  There is plenty of competition inside the SEC.  Alabama,

Actually, it was a ten year series, a series which produced some of
the best games I've seen over a period of several years.  The people
here in Penn State have a LOT of respect for the Alabama program,
and all involved were sad to see the series end.  Unfortunately, the
series ran out just as I was moving up here, damnit.  (Though, oddly
enough, I mailed off my application to Penn State the Monday after Bama
blocked PSU's last second FG attempt.)

Alabama, in fact, has a number of other big out of conference series
coming up, taking them to the PAC 10 and Big 10, I believe.  Anyone
know the specifics?  Someone with a current Bama media guide, perhaps?
There aren't many big out of conference games THIS year because of
conference realignment.

>Auburn, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee frequently finish the year in
>the top 25.  Mississippi, LSU and Arkansas have had some great seasons.

>Miss. State is always good for an upset, as is Vandy and apparently
>South Carolina.  That leaves Kentucky as the only regular whipping boy,
>but they usually get even when basketball season arrives.

And even Kentucky's team seem to be on the upswing.

>> What more evidence do you need than just the fact that with very few
>> exceptions (LSU-Texas A&M, Florida-FSU), SEC schools play very weak out
>> of conference schedules.
>
>Bama has played Texas A&M during the regular season, and until recently,
>Auburn played a FSU every year.  Auburn has frequently scheduled Texas.
>Georgia usually plays Clemson and some other ACC teams.  Tennessee has
>had regular season games with Notre Dame.

SSSHHHHhhhhhh!!  Don't confuse the poor boy with facts.  He's having
enough trouble dealing with reality as it is.


Jim Thomas
Penn State
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: New A&M QB (was Lee Corso's prediction)
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:15:19 GMT

Jeff Goldberg (jeff@photon.cs.tamu.edu) wrote:
: Did anyone watching the game notice the confidence that Slocum and Co.
: showed in Pullig's ability to complete his passes?  For example, A&M
: threw on 3rd and short several times, something that would have never
: been called with Granger starting.  It's going to be much more difficult
: for anyone to beat A&M with this change in their offense.

Not to mention the pass called on 4th and 2...
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: brule@cheetah.cat.syr.edu (Mark R. Brule)
Subject: Re: AP top 10 remaining games, Syracuse road to the top
Organization: Coherent Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:03:19 EST

In article <1992Nov10.154602.26191@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>
>What happens if Syracuse beats BC but loses to Miami, as expected?
>Where does Syracuse (at 9-2) go bowling?  Reportedly, Joe Paterno
>has rejected Syracuse as an opponent for the Blockbuster Bowl.

Should Syracuse beat BC, they would most likely end up #2 in the Big East and
thus be guaranteed a Tier 2 bowl.  Even if they lose to BC, they may stay ahead
of them in the rankings, so the same would apply.

JoePa doesn't want Syracuse?  Fine...they probably aren't big enough for
SU to consider this year as a bowl opponent.  The real question is:  who
could the Blockbuster possibly lure...perhaps BC, although they may be headed
to the Hall of Fame Bowl.  I hear Rutgers is free...     :}


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From: n8843528@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Chris M. Jacques)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:51:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov13.215151.28266
Organization: Western Washington University

mc83+@andrew.cmu.edu (Myung Joon Choi) writes:

>I can't believe all of this anti-Miami sentiment going around the polls.
> What does Miami have to do to prove their worth as #1?  They beat
>EVERYONE who is put in front of them (when's the last time Miami lost to
>a #1 ranked team, Ithink they have a streak of 11 or 12 wins against #1
>ranked teams they've played).  
>    Take for example last year, going into the Florida St.-Miami game,
>Florida State was the overwhelming favorite as #1, Miami was #2, and
>Washington #3.  Miami beat Florida St. AT Florida St.  They also beat
>Penn State and pummelled Nebraska in the Orange (they ended up having
>beaten six bowl teams).  Who did Washington beat to deserve their lofty
>ranking.  Gee, let's see. They beat an overrated Michigan team who
>Florida St. crushed at Ann Arbor and they beat up on some other
>opponents and even pulled out a dominating 14-7 victory vs. Cal. 
>National Championship material, pleeeease.
>    And this year, Washington overtook Miami when Miami barely beat
>Arizona, and only regained it when they beat Florida St. and Penn State
>in consecutive weeks.  Washington (bandwagon) fans jumped all over the
>'Canes for that one, only to see their beloved Huskers get completely
>shut down last weekend.  If things go as planned, Miami will have beaten
>Arizona, Penn State, Florida St., Syracuse, San Diego St., and
>Alabama/Texas A&M.  All this without their version of Steve Emtman in
>Rusty Medeiras.  
> 
>    All I can say is, you may not like 'em, but you gotta admit they're
>the best college football team in the country and have been for the last
>decade.  
>    And for all those whiners who complain about the close field goals,

> Oh come on, Miami is national championship material? Only because the
eastern biased media ignores the West Coast. Lets see, last year the Huskies
dominated every game - these are Pac 10 games not those wheeny Big East
conference "matchups." Put Miami in the Pac 10 and they would lose at least
2 games. Who do thwy play this week - woooooooooh BIG Temple -----
>stop looking for the weakest of arguments and suck it up.         
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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Traditional Rivalries
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:23:13 GMT

In <1992Nov9.182008.12294@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:


>Since we are getting to the point in the college football
>season where "Rivals Collide!!!", does anybody have a copy
>of the list of "trophies" that are at stake?

>e.g., Duke vs. UNC for "Victory Bell", the (already played)
>Old Oaken Bucket, the Apple Cup, etc...

>Orin

>--
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>Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
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Stanford vs. California - The Stanford Axe
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From: cheopr@bones.et.byu.edu (Chem. E. Operator)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: PENN STATE'S POOR OUTING



>Is Penn St really a passing team, or
>was that just a new game plan,...over
>50 passes?
>
>BYU seemed to have a relatively  
>easy time with Penn St.  
>Was it BYU that could make a mistake,
>or Penn St that didn't come to play?
>
>Was Penn St looking passed BYU to 
>next week against BYE?
>
>I would like to think the final score
>was a result of BYU finally coming 
>together for 4 quarters.
>
>I would appreciate some opinions from
>any Penn St followers.

I am not a great Penn St follower, but I am an avid BYU fan.  I don't think
Penn St played to their full potential, but this was the best BYU played all year.  They finally played all four quarters and they seemed more relaxed and was able to control the game.  BYU struggled the first half of the season.  They usually played only one quarter or one half, and then played catch-up the rest of the time.  The games that they lost (UCLA, Hawaii, San Diego, even ND) could have gone the other way if they would have played a full game.  Most of the games BYU had the game locked, but fumbl




ed or threw an interception in the final minute, and the other team came back and history.  So Penn St fans, take heart; you caught BYU on their best game of the season (so far).

Darrell Huntsman
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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: SWC Heisman Woofin' 
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:33:43 GMT

In article <Bx8B5L.GBB@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.204956.20191@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>>
>>Perfect time for a plug (sounds like Ross Perot, huh?).
>>
>>Lloyd Hill of Texas Tech for the Heisman.  Yes, I'm sure there's
>>a media bias against giving anyone from the SWC the Heisman more than
>>once every 20 years.  Who was the last SWC player to win a Heisman?
>>Earl Campbell?  Or did Craig James win it?  Can't remember it's been
>>so long.
>Oh well, as long as we're woofing up the SWC Heisman Non-contenders:
>Trevor Cobb of Rice for Heisman.  He passed Campbell last week vs. TCU
>on the all-time SWC rushing list.  He's about to pass Dickerson and go
>into second place on the list, and he has a good shot at passing Darren
>Lewis as the all-time leader.  He's already the all-time SWC all-purpose
>rushing leader.  And, of course, he's done all this playing behind the Rice
>offensive line for the past four years.  Imagine if he had been playing
>behind Michigan's collection of behemoths.  

Oh NOOOOO, we've been out-WOOFED.  I now count TWO Trevor Cobb woofs in
one day alone.  I agree, he's a great back.  And I do believe that he'll
score 21 against Tech.  But I think Clemmons and Hill will connect at
least 3 times and Bam Morris will score at least once and maybe a few
assorted others.  I'm sticking to my original prediction.


>>
>>Paul (go Lloyd) Conditt
>>
>>Prediction for this week's game against Rice:
>>
>>Lloyd Hill 35   Rice  21 
>Trevor Cobb 21 Texas Tech 17 
>>

Lloyd 35  Trevor 21
Tech 42   Rice   21
>
>
>-- 
>Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu

Paul (see above) Conditt

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kollur@jec320.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: Michigan, the leaders and the best
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.193245.17270@zip.eecs.umich.edu> graf@felix.engin.umich.edu  writes:
>
>Reading all this Michigan-Purdue postings caused me to write.  If Michigan had been playing at home, I would bet that they would have won by at least 24 points.  With the exception of Florida State, Michigan won all it's home games for the past two years.  
>I think Alabama is a good team, but over all Michigan should still be number 3.

Hmmmmmm.....!
When this Bama/Michigan debate started I resolved not to get involved. But
if your only reason for picking Michigan over Bama is their home record
for the last two years, you should take a look at Bama's home record for
the past two years. They have not lost a game at home for the last two years.
Bama also has a 18 game winning streak going. 
This is a really pointless discussion because come Jan 1st it will be
pretty clear from the bowl games if Bama and Michigan are really good
or just plain lucky.
Right now I just hope that Alabama win their next four conference games
and remain undefeated. Then I will be really convinced that Bama is
really good and I can then confidently say that Michigan is
just lucky :-)
Ramana
Roll Tide!

 

Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:06:30 -0500 
From: Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: STANFORD/ARIZONA TRASH

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.college: 10-Nov-92 Re:
STANFORD/ARIZONA TRASH by Jeff Hintzman@hpljah.hpl 
> I just have two numbers for you.
>  
>  
> 23 and 9.

    OK.  23 and 9.  Anyone want to post the SERIES score?  What is it,  
         238,423,844,545(USC) to 4(Stanfurd Junior College)?



>  
>  
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff Hintzman                                  hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com
> Hewlett-Packard Integrated Circuit Business Division 
> Palo Alto, CA                                             
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

-Scott
From: ds4@soc11.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP top 10 remaining games, Syracuse road to the top
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:57:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.151320.2111@spss.com>, mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) writes:
.......
|>          ---------------------------------------------------
|> Syr      Bost C        Miami
|> (8-1)    (17)          (1)
|>          ---------------------------------------------------
.......

|> If Syracuse wins their last 2 games and Alabama stumbles (2 BIG ifs),
|> could be Syracuse vs TAMU for the MNC. Michigan will loose in the Rose Bowl.

Even if the improbable above senerio occurs, it will be FSU playing against TAMU,
not Syracuse.


|> 
|> --
|> Mike Cornwall
|> mike@spss.com
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From: dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu (David Mathias)
Subject: IAA top 20
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:23:12 GMT


Could someone please post the IAA top 20 for this week?  I know
it appears in USA Today but I missed it this week.
Thanks.

-- 

David Mathias    Washington University in St Louis    dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu

               The University of Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pwg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Paul W. Grimes)
Subject: NCE
Keywords: sTA
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:49:44 GMT