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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Ki Rajanarayanan..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:13:01 GMT
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In article <18342.2aa22e9b@ecs.umass.edu> vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>	Ki. Rajanarayanan won  the Sahithya Academy Award for his book,
>"kopallapuraththu  makkaL".   I never  had a chance to read any of his
>poems.  Jan. 92 issue of the Subhamangala carries few poems of Ki. Raa
>with the title "vasanath theRippukaL". I have few of here them for you.
>I was so sure that  MY translation  would do some harm to the original
>stuff.  Someone else may give a try (please)!
>
>	Is it true that Ki. Raa. is from a Telugu root (2nd generation
>maybe) ? 
>
	[Ki.Ra.'s poems deleted]

	I too read his poems in Subhamangala for the first time. I have
	read almost all his works and I think this is his first attempt
	in poetry. Similarly, Nanjil Nadan also has written some poems
	in Subhamangala, who otherwise used to write only novels and
	short stories.

	Ki.Ra.'s award winning novel 'gOpallapuraththu makkaL' is a second
	volume of the two part novel. The first part, 'gOpalla giraamam'
	was published first by 'Vaasagar vattam' and the second edition
	was published by 'Annam'. The story is about a village in TN inhabited
	by Telugu immigrants from Andra during Nizam rule and it ends with
	a chapter on the arrival of British. The second part was serialised
	in Ananda Vikatan (after he became popular with his series
	'karical kaattu kadudhaaci' in Junior Vikatan) and this is mostly a  
	narration of events during British rule. Though very interesting to
	read, this is more like a compilation of many events very brilliantly
	narrated than a coherant novel.

	Ki.Raa. is a decendant of Telugu migrants, not second generation,
	but nth generation. There is a large Telugu population in Kovil Patti
	(near Tirunelveli) region.

	His short stories were more on farmers' related themes and have very
	good rural flavour. He himself is a farmer and and courted arrest
	twice during farmers' agitations.

	His short story 'vEtti' is supposed to be one of the best written in
	last 25 years. His short story collection with the same title won
	Tamil Nadu Governement award in 70s. 

	The highest honor he received was a Honorary Professorship at Pondicheri
	University, who otherwise never attended school. He said,

	"naan mazhaikkaga thaan paLLiyil odhungiyirukkiREn. appozhudhukooda
	andha mazhaiyaiyE parththuk koNdu irundhu vittEn". (I took shelter
	in the school only for the rain. Even then, I was only observing the
	rain, (not the lessons)).   

	His observation of every little thing, his love for nature and 
	affection for the people are very obvious from his works.

	(more about Ki.Raa. later)    

>Vicky:
>UMass, Aug 31

M. Sundaramoorthy 
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Tastelessness or shear hypocracy
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:23:23 GMT

In <6923@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> sri@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (SRITHARAN K) writes:

>In <1992Aug28.142052.24534@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:

>>I agree with most of the things you said. I think that the spread of
>>gun-culture in otherwise peaceful TN is because of sl-tamil-terrorists and its
>>sympathizers. If anyone wants to have proof on this, check the old newspapers
>>from Madras and from Trichy

>>RT


>It wouldn't have happened if you people and your goverments haven't
>supported in the first place for their own benifits.

>We are not "Weanda Penndati".  Because of your lack of foresight (govt's)
>we are going through all the miseries now.

>To change colour we are not patchontikal.

>Cheers,
>Sri

  indru pachchonthigaL koovi kondirukinRana
  intha pachchonthigaL kacchayilE kaasu niRaiya
  pachchai tamizhan amaithiyaaka irukkiRaan
  irunthaalum- 
   pachchai tamizhan avarkaLidam pichchai
   edukkamaaddaan.


 
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From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: None
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:16:06 GMT

In article <kat.714943490@pulaski>, kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
> 
> 
>    selvaa! yengaL thamizhic selvaa
>    min anu guruvE! muthamizh vithvaa!
>    muthuth thamizhai
>    anu vanuvaaka pirithu poruL viLakkum uthamaa!
>    thamizh eenarkaLai kaLaiya vantha puthuyuka vElavaa!
>    matayarkaLukku NYanaoLi kodukum theepaa!
>    thodarka un paNi! vaazhka!
> 
>    kathiravan
> 
>  

          I assume, kathiravan, you are referring to me in the above
          min_paa ( poem "published" in min_valai ). If so, I most
          sincerely request you NOT to post any in future ( at least
          about me), because i think it does not sound as a good
          practice or precedent. If you like some of my postings,
          I'm flattered, and you are most welcome to send me a one-liner by
          e-mail saying that you liked it. I say this from my heart
          please don't post eulogies ( at least about me). Please
          don't sing min_pugazh anthaathi's ( a sincere request).
          I wish
          to share that I read with great interest excellent
          min_urai's from Sundaramoorthy, K.Srinivasan (ireq), S_Bala,
          Naga Ganesan, M.P.Premkumar(on reservations) just to
          name a few. There are many more very thought-provoking
          min_urai's in our SCTamil-valai and it would be our good
          luck if they continue to share their knowledge and 
          understanding in this valai.

          anbudan
          Selva Selvakumar
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Muruga and chEval
Date: 27 Aug 1992 22:23:35 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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 `Affable' writes :
------------------
> Tell the North indians "Lord Muruga", they won't understand. Because
> in hindi, muruga refers to the bird "chEval". They'll understand only
> if you say Lord Kaarthik. They won't understand any other names of
> Lord Muruga.
  
    In Shiva Purana, Murugan is referred to as `KaarthikEyA'[ Sanskrit].
 The Hindi word `Kaarthik' is derived from `KaarthikEyaa'. As you
 must be knowing, Murugan got this name as he was brought up by the
 Kaarthikai girls from his birth. Other Sanskrit name of Murugan is
 Saravanaa and this name is due to the reason that the Kaarthikai girls
 found him as a baby in Saravanaa lake, when they were taking a bath.

> My question: Did the bird(in north) get the name from the God's
> name(in south)? Or is it vice-versa?

     Murugan in Tamil means `azhagan'[ A handsome man ]. It is from
 the word `murugu' meaning beauty. It is hard to say how `murugan'
 is come to mean a `chEval' in Sanskrit. It may be due to the myth
 that `chEval' is Murugan's flag.
         
>Cheers,
>Venkat
                                                          S.Pandian
                                                 sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: kamban and vaLLuvan
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:32:36 GMT

In <kat.714852241@wesley> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:




>       Here is a famous piece from Kamban. Please feel free to suggest corrections.
>   I would like if somebody in the valai will translate and comment about the poetry.

>   Eyes speak when lovers meet. Rama and Sita are seeing each other. Here goes Kamban

>   "yeNNarum nalathinAL inaya niRuzhi
>    kaNNodu kaNNinaik kavvi ondRiyondRu
>    uNNavum nilaipeRAthu uNarvum ondRida
>    aNNalum nOkinaan, avaLum nOkinaaL"

>   kamban

   thiruvaLLuvar also conveys the same message (eyes speak-no words
exchanged)

"kaNNodu kaNNinai nOkkokin vaaichsoRkaL
yenna payanum ila."

.
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From: ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:20:45 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <Btx9sy.6J8@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>In article <Btwxtv.Byt@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:

	(part of the article deleted to save BW)

>I witnessed a Vedic ritual in India, where the priest held a cow (?)
>skin and pretented as if he was slaughtering it.  When the populace is 
>convinced that Vedas are holy, they might no longer be satisfied with
>any feign ritual and may want them to be real (ie. spill blood).  Already
>the Hindu leaders both within India and outside (sankaracarya, prabupada
						 **************
>of ISCKON for example) have had the guts to write that the animals
>sacrificed in a Vedic ritual go to heaven!
>

	if you are referring to KANCHI aachchaaryaa here I would
	like to remind you that you are yet to give me the
	exact reference that I had asked for. Just reminding you.


PK

	(again part of the article deleted to save BW)

>
>Meenan Vishnu
From: sri@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Literary Awards in Tamil
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:02:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9208311809.AA22146@cec1.wustl.edu>, sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes...
>[ I have corrected a few editing errors in my last posting. - SP ]
> 
>M.Sundaramoorthy ( sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu ) writes :
> 
>>	Regarding Sahitya Academy award and other literary awards:
> 
>>	These awards by institutions most of the times go to the influential
>>	people, rather than the quality  writers, at least when it comes
>>	to Tamil. Still, once in a while few good writers do get.
> 
>>	The really deserving writers who got the award include Bharathidasan
>>	(Piciraanthaiyaar, a 'poetic drama'), Ka.Naa.Su. (ilakkiyaththukku
>>	oru iyakkam', a collection of critical essays), Jayakanthan,
>>	Cu. Samudram and Ki. Rajanarayanan ('gOpallapuraththu makkaL', second
>>	volume of his two parts 'historical novel').
> 
>> M. Sundaramoorthy
>> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 
> 
>        Thi.Jaanakiraaman also got a Sahitya Academy award for his short-
>story collection `sakthi vaiththiyam'. I have not read this collection, but
>I have read his novels `ammaa vandhaaL' and `mOgamuL'. The fact is that
>Tamil writer Rajam Krishnan who was in the selection committee for awards
>resigned her membership post when Thi.Jaa was chosen by the committee for
>the Sahitya Academy award ( Tamil ) for that year as she found the writings
>of Thi.Jaa very obscene on women. Thi.Jaa's `Ammaa vandhaaL' has a delicate
>and explosive theme and it is a great work. This book breaks away from the
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>established images of women ( `Laxmi',Rajam Krishnan..) , in a non-commercial
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>sense. Rajam Krishnan's resignation following the award to Thi.Jaa just tells
^^^^^^
>us the opposition that good Tamil writers face even among the Sahitya Academy
>selection committee for selecting books for awards.
>                
>                                                                      - SP
>                                                         sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
> 
>_________________________________________________________________________

I have not read this book myself. I have only heard people talk about
this book or Thi. Jaa.

Would you be kind enough to say more on the theme of the book ? I am
curious as to what it is about that turned even a woman writer against
it.

R. Sritharan
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From: veerasam@utdallas.edu (V. Jeyakesavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Looking for R.Muralikrishnan in Univ. Wisconsin, Madisson
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:59:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas


I am sorry, this message is for University of Wisconsin, Madisson students only.Others please ignore.

I am looking for R.Muralikrishnan, new Ph.D. student who has joined 
this fall. He did his B.E.(C.S.) in College of Engineering, Guindy,
Madras. Somebody kindly pass on his phone number and/or email address
to me.

Thanks,
V.Jeyakesavan

Phone: (214)-644-6082
Email: veerasam@utdallas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: tamil-4 kaNNathaasan and classical poets
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:15:59 GMT



------continued from tamil-3
    Prof. George Hart of UC Berkeley says," Tamizh is a secret that
has been kept not only from the rest of the world but from Tamizhs themselves".
"Its literature is extremely rich and open facets if human experience
that are not found elsewhere" he noted recently.
 The distinguishing factor of Tamizh from other classical languages like
Sanskrit and Latin is that the language is still alive. 

Poets like kaNNathaasan have kept the tradition of old poems even in films
songs. I intend to quote some of his songs. Please correct the words
and the ADAMIsation(if I may say so) 
kaNNathaasan's film song

"manam padaithEn unnai ninaippatharkku
 vadiveduthEn unnai maNappatharkku"

is sung by a heroine whose dream marriage has come true. She recapitulates
the dream,
"maththaLa mELam murasolikka
 varisangkam ninRankE oliyisaikka
 kaithalam naan paRRa kanavu kandEn
 antha kanavukal nanavaaka uRavu thanthaai"

 "The drums beat, conch shells sounded
  and he (my lover) took my hand-I dreamt,
  the dream has come true now"
 
andaaL, a poetess in 8 th century fell in love with vishnu and sang love poems.
This is again a tradition of tamizh women (falling in love with gods)
as tolkaapiyar tells,

"kaamapakuthi kadavuLum varaiyaar
EnOr pangkinum yenmaanaar pulavar"
 
 andaal in naachiyaar thirumozhi, vaarNamaayiram sings about her
dream marriage to thirumaal.

"mathaLang kodda varisangkam ninRootha
 muthudaith thaamamnirai thaazhntha panthaRkIzh
maithunan nampi madhusoothan vanthennaik
kaithalam paRRak kanaak kaNdEn thOzhi naan."

"The drums beat, conch shells sounded
 Beneath the awning festooned with
 pearls, madhusoothanaa, beloved nampi came
and took my hand-Idreamt the dream my friend"
                                 (trans. by Vidya Deheija)

-------------------------------------------------------
..............    kaNNadaasan and ouwaiyaar next....................
From: gt4084c@prism.gatech.EDU (SRINIVASAN,K)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Vinayaga (Pillaiyar) Sadurthi.
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:54:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Hmm... Not precisely what I wanted.  You should 've made the 
urundai with L -:) (Do the ADAMI experts agree with me in the
fault I found in Arun's recipe?!).
-- 
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From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: ammA/appA
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:02:29 -0500
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selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:

>      In Tamil there are many words for father and mother. appaa is not
>       the only word for father. appaa is "viLi" (=calling, addressing)
>       form of appan = father. But words aththan, achchan also mean
>       father. MaaNikka_vaachagar often addresses ( in Thiruvaachagam)
>       God as aththaa ( Oh Dear Father!) [ see his passionate praises
>       "aththaa pORRi" ..). There are many families where father is
>       addressed with love and respect as "aiyaa", "nayinaa" etc.

             "nayinaa", I have found is more often used by Telugu
              speaking Tamils [yes, I guess that is a suitable
              classification]. In Telugu also, nainaa gaaru is
              used and means "appaa".

              But "nayinaa" is a part of the Pakkiri-lingo too.
              Like in "inaa nainaa" or "inaa neena"

>       The word thanthai for father appears to be a formal word for
>       father.


              "thanthai" is no more a vogue word. Just like "pop"
               and "mom" are catching on [instead of father and mother]
               so has appa and amma. 

              "father" and "mother" are getting formal :-)
               

         anbudan,
         BK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: News from 'Canadian eeza-naadu' Jeyalalitha resigned but ...
Originator: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:26:45 GMT


Jeyalalitha submitted her resignation as the chief minister of TN
but the Governer, on the advice of the PVN, refused to accept her
resignation.

Meenan Vishnu
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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: Bhagavad Gita on animal sacrifice in yajnas
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:37:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.140224.27881@unislc.uucp> sandeep@unislc.uucp (Sandeep Kulkarni) writes:
>From article <1992Sep2.093745.10395@wuecl.wustl.edu>, by sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian):
>>          Bhagavad Gita on animal sacrifice in yajnas
>>         ---------------------------------------------
>
>But I really haven't seen that depicted in Ramayana etc where they have all
>kinds of yagnas. All the yagnas just show offerings of food , ghee etc.
>Sandeep.

   The Valmiki Ramayana indeed mentions animal sacrifices. I give below
 references to some verses on Valmiki Ramayana on animal sacrifices, taken
 from a book on India in the Ramayana age.
   ` There were four orders of priests ( rtviks, I 12.5 ) officiating at a
 sacrifice : namely, `hota' or the caller whose business it was to recite
 Vedic `rks' or chants in praise of gods ; `udgata' or the singer who
 accompanied offerings into the sacrifice ( especially Soma ) with psalms;
 `adhvaryu' or the master of ceremonies whose business it was to mutter
 prayers and formulae at the proper moment ; and `brahma' or the supervisor
 of the entire ritual and kindler of the sacred fire. The sacrificial        
 priests had to be well-versed in the Vedas. ( I 14.3 )....
     A graphic idea of the Aswameda sacrifice ( sacrifice of the consecrated
 horse ) performed in those days is given in the description of the one
 celebrated by Dasaratha ( I. 13-4 ) and another by Rama ( VII. 91-3 ).
    Animals were, no doubt, slaughtered during sacrifices. The Asvamedha
 centered on the slaughter of the consecrated horse and offering of its
 members to the deities. There are frequent allusions to animals brought
 for slaughter to sacrifices ( III 56.9 ; 70.6 ). Beasts were slain at
 Ravana's funeral ceremony which was perfomed according to Vedic rites
 ( VI.113.117 ).'
  
   [ Note : I = Balakanda, III = Aranyakanda, VI = Yuddhakanda and
            VII = Uttarakanda. Also I.14.3 means the 3rd verse of the
            14th canto of the Balakanda, etc., ]  

                                                          - S.Pandian
                                                   sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Some more siledais
Date: 28 Aug 1992 22:58:35 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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               Some  more silEdais 
             ------------------------
   K.V.Jagannadhan, editor of `KalaimagaL' is known for his 
 `silEdai's. The first silEdai in this posting involves him.
  The silEdai occurred in a meeting in which Ki.Vaa.Ja was  
  one of the invited speakers. On that day, Ki.Vaa.Ja had
  throat problems and he notified the president before the
  meeting started that he could not speak in his turn. But
  when his turn came, the president insisted in the mike that
  Ki.Vaa.Ja should deliver a few words. Ki.Vaa.Ja replied
  loudly from his seat ,   
     ` enakku thondai kammi irukkiRadhu '.
  The president imediately replied,
     ` adhannal enna ? kammal prakaasikkavE cheyyum '.
                      ^^^^^^^
    kammal (1) : thondai kammal
           (2) : thOdu ( kaadhil pOttuk koLLum thangath thOdu )
  Ki.Vaa.Ja recognized the silEdai and started his speech 
  explaining the silEdai to the audience.
    Another siLlEdai is a silly one. It involves a Tamil
 teacher. One inspector visited a school for annual inspection.
 He had a list of names of teachers in that school and he was
 ticking the teacher's name every class he entered. He entered
 a Tamil class and checked the list of Tamil teachers' names.
 When the name of the Tamil teacher came, he replied, `adiyEn'.
 The inspector mistook that the teacher was challenging him to
 hit and he hit him hard. Then the Tamil teacher explained him
 that `adiyEn' in Tamil means `myself' also.
                                                     S.Pandian
                                             sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: speri@cactus.org (Sankarappan Periyasamy)
Subject: Re: O  rasikkum ceemanE
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:19:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.220837.16767@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>In the midst of serious discussions, let me post this in the
>lighter side.
>Could anybody complete this good old movie song?
>  O rasikkum ceemanE
>  vaa jolikkum udai aninthu
>  kalikkum nadanam purivomE.
>paadiyavar, padap peyar, nadiththavarkal, padalai iyaRRivar pOnRa
>vivarankalum pirasurikkupattaal mika nallathu.
>
The film is `ParAsakthi', which happens to be Nadigar Thilagam's first film.

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