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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: The Foreskin-Impaired (was Re: Drooling over...)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:26:01 GMT

joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

>It also means to berth, like a boat. John Dorrance will formulate a
>complete reply by tomorrow. He's doing some in=hand investigation I
>hope.

Well, I dig the concept after extensive consultation with Mr. Jojo,
but he's got me beat (so to speak) when it comes to practical
experience. I have noone at the moment with whom to experiment,
and the only inanimate thing I have that I could use as a substitute
is a butt-plug, and I don't think that would work very well from a
practical standpoint. But after having a picture drawn for me, I think
I have enough of a grip on it (so to speak) to explain.

I think I'll draw a picture (avert your eyes if necessary):

			    _____________
___________________________/ \       / \_\__________________________
			      \     /    |
			       \   /     |
	(imagine veins)		\ /      |	(Imagine veins)
				 V       |
				 |	 |
___________________________     / \     _|__________________________
			   \___/___\___/_/

God, this looks like a graphic from an atari 2600...

Anyway, the cock (yes, folks, that's what they're supposed to be)
on the left is uncircumcised. Its foreskin has been pulled out to
cover the head of the cock on the right; it is held in that position,
then the two cocks are masturbated together. Do I have this right?
Any questions or volunteers for further exploration?

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:54:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.113314.5184@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>
> >One time I was behind by *4000*
> >messages and just had to mark them all read.
>
>Here is clear evidence of insufficient devotion.  If there were a
>cabal it would have to address this matter.

If there were a cabal, I'd ask for a one-time financial assistance grant
to purchase enough disk space so that I could be 4000 articles behind too.

Alas!  There isn't, so I can't.  *sigh*

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* (was Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics.
	motss)
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 1993 15:18:09 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1b31

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> I confess not to have been following this discussion very closely; it 
> tends to put me into a stupor, but has anyone suggested soc.motss.
> advocacy yet? :-) 

Yeah, but to be *really* stylish we'd have to create:

	soc.motss.advocacy
	soc.motss.hardware	(not necessarily computers)
	soc.motss.software	(ditto)
 	soc.motss.politics
	soc.motss.pictures	(you could probably jump-start this, Steve)
	soc.motss.food

and, of course:

	soc.motss.misc

the idea of which boggles my mind completely.



Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:49:30 GMT

In article <thaaang.725835633@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Greggie dear, is there *any* way you could get me a credit card? It
>doesn't even have to be a gold card or anything. I want one really
>bad, but that credit rating thing keeps getting in the way...

Here is a method that has in fact worked for the love of my life.
In Canada, if you are turned down for a credit card, you have the
right to know *exactly* why. Not just "you don't make enough" but
"we require people to earn at least xxx and you don't make that"
or "we require rent to be less than y% of gross pay and yours is
more so you're stretched too thin." 

So, apply. Tell the truth exactly. When you get the form letter saying
that you don't "meet their requirements", write a *very* *polite*
and short letter to whoever signed the rejection letter, asking
that they tell you exactly and precisely why you don't qualify.

Next thing you know, your card arrives! Really.

Kate

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:20:33 GMT

tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
: I think it goes the same at a larger company... don't annoy and don't
: be easily annoyed.  Don't hit everyone over the head with a penis
: poster and nothing much will come of it (especially knowing where the
: company and the city stands on non-discrimination based on the sex of
: your desired partner).  
: 

I must agree.  Here at Motorola I am out to anybody that asks.  My cube
sports a male pinup type calendar, I wear freedom rings and a triangle
necklace, etc.  Nobody cares!  Errr, well, the calendar has attracted some
attention from both males and females.  All compliments and one request for
the name of the place wher I bought it.

Sometimes makes it hard to fight the system when the system isn't fighting.

Greg.

--
My words, not Motorola's.   * ______ *
gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     * \ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.
Greg Berryman (512)928-6014 *  \  /  *         SILENCE = DEATH
Motorola Austin, Texas, USA *   \/   *     First, be true to yourself.
From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pride Ring Colours on the Necklace
Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:56:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cc4507@u.cc.utah.edu (Chucki Carpinello) says:

>	I need to know where I can get a Pride Ring Necklace (?) at a good
>price innocently :)

You can order the Gay Freedom Ring necklace from the new H.I.M. catalog
for only $12. Call 1-800-446-1646 and request their free catalog. The
stock order number on the Freedom Rings necklace (with bead-chain) is
SA12.

-Ric


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs)
Subject: Baltimore, MD joins Colorado Boycott
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:16:15 GMT


The Baltimore City Council is backing the boycott of Colorado.
In a unaminous vote on December 10, the council passed a resolution
calling on the city's Board of Estimates to ban travel to
Colorado by city officials and prohibit purchases from businesses
located there.

Baltimore City, Montgomery County, Prince George's County, and
my own Howard County in Maryland have anti-discrimination laws 
regarding sexual orientation.  The state of Maryland, unfortunately,
does not.  

Jim Hubbs
HoCo Homo
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:43:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec23.030119.6074@netcom.com> 
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
> In article <1h8i7iINN6je@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 
> aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel) quotes:
> >				Guisseppe Verdi
> 				^^^^^^^^^
>
> Sacrilege!  Impiety! Desecration! PERFIDIA!!!

Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!

Arne



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:00:33 GMT

Oh, and by the way:

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
>Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
>New York, New York  10043
>The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.

Greggie dear, is there *any* way you could get me a credit card? It
doesn't even have to be a gold card or anything. I want one really
bad, but that credit rating thing keeps getting in the way...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: *** SPOILERS *** from rec.arts.startrek.info
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:47:24 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation



Spoilers about the next ST:TNG episode "Chain of Command Pt. 2"
follow press N now to go to the next article.



from the synopsis of "Chain of Command Pt. 2" (I am not making this up):

...

> Picard is manhandled by the arriving guards and resists.  "Wasted
> energy, Captain..." says Madred, now approaching Picard with a very
> sharp knife.  "Are you in good health?"  Picard protests that torture
> is forbidden by the code regarding prisoners of war, but Madred
> relentlessly carves off Picard's clothing.  "From this point on, you
> will enjoy no privilege of rank, no privileges of person.  From now
> on, I will refer to you only as ... *human*.  You have no other
> identity."  Picard, stripped naked, is shackled at both hands and feet
> and left to sleep while stretched vertically like a side of beef.

...

"relentlessly carves off Picard's clothing."

"Picard, stripped naked...stretched vertically like a side of beef"

<wavy lines appear in front of Randy>

Yes Daddy!  It doesn't get any better than this!  Patrick Stewart
naked (well, we will only get to see his chest) and tied up, ready for
me to swoop down in my private shuttle craft to wisk him away from the
Cardassians.  When he comes to, he will thank me for my bravery and
will then fall into my arms and profess his undieing gratitude for
saving him from those nasty Cardassians.  As I comfort him, his hand
slowly moves down my chest in a soft caress until it rests...

<wavy line motif again>

Randy...Randy, wake up, you have a meeting in 5 minutes.

And that accent, YES!!!, this ranch-boy from Nebraska *loves*
British accents.

Thanks for the escape, and have a great holiday season.

Randy (going to the bathroom to clean up now...)
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cray Computer Corporation                                Randy Murrish
1110 Bayfield Drive                                   mush@craycos.com
Colorado Springs, CO 80906                                719.540.4274
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Date: 31 Dec 92 10:04:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec31.100453.9703
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C04894.F6J@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>When one of us is out of town for business or whatever, the other
>partner must have the house spic n' span upon his return.

Egad, if we'd made that a rule, I wouldn't have lasted a month, let alone
14 years.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Miracle cure for homophobic states
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:57:09 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

We now enter another dream scenario sponsored by David Speakman...

On Jan 21, President Clinton signs an omnibus executive order outlawing
discrimination against the lesbigay community in all federal employment and
withholds federal funding from all states, municipalities and other local
governments with ant-gay rights laws.

_____________End dream secquence_______________

Big Brother is queer,

David Speakman
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Muffin on Parade
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:21:59 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

Purely neutral comparison. He's a twink with dark-brown curly hair,
and you seem to be as well. He's quite nambloid, though, and you're
not, so there are differences.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 12:30:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.055209.27606@panix.com> mls@panix.com
(Michael Siemon) writes:

>Male assurances of "understanding" the problems of systematic
>oppression of women amount to a hill of beans.  Most men have
>ZERO comprehension of what it is to be the object of a total
>societal negation.  If Dowrkin can get men, for a *few* moments
>of their oh-so-precious time to see an absolute negation of
>their worth, they *may* [if they have some capacity for clues]
>begin to *feel* (and not dismiss by abstraction) what women
>generally have to put up with every bloody second of their
>lives.

Well said.  I've read only *about* Dworkin, not her own
words, though the quotes recently made here seem pretty
vividly off the wall.  I took Melinda to be saying, in
effect, that despite that, there is an image that could
be revealing to anyone who will consider it, embedded in
Dworkin's extreme rhetoric.

More generally, even insanity is not entirely insane; things
that don't seem to have solid or reliable reasons behind
them rest on *some* reality.

To that extent I disagree with Arne.  While I understand his
economy in not being willing to lend credence to someone as
extreme as Dworkin, I feel *nevertheless* there is *a*
reality to be seen and appreciated in some fashion in the
ideas reported here as Dworkin's.

Perhaps more obviously, whenever and wherever the subject of
Dworkin arises, there is strong reaction.  Whatever else one
might say about her, she is not a cipher in anyone's mind,
because as a dynamic principle she moves the universe.

The underlying point, it seems to me, is that for one of the
oldest reasons on earth -- you wouldn't expect a fish to
discover water, Rob Bernardo used to say -- men (with
discouragingly few exceptions) have interests vested in
denying the extent (and more, the extent of the *effects*)
of male privilege and patriarchy.  Frankly, I think it's
more socially productive for us to treat the statement "men,
all men, have *no* idea about this" as a truism, and work
from there.

To go further, it seems to me this principle generalizes
some little distance, as it can illuminate other oppressions
too: racism, notably, but certainly homophobia as well.  The
privileged do not in general see such things.

This seems to me something like a deformation of the entire
process of feeling, especially of feeling compassion.  The
social utility, I expect, of having this heal over, after
all these hundreds of years, would be beyond imagining a
wonderful thing (since I can't know, I'll just guess).

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Subject: RE: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Reply-To: gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:24:25 GMT

Scott and I have been together for 3.5 years.  That's a brief time
for some, but for many, it is quite an achievement.  I am very happy
to have had this experience because I had given up on the hope to 
have a peaceful and pleasant relationship with another.

I do know that if it ended tomorrow, I would be glad for having had
the experience.  I would no longer be hunting for a spouse with that
sense of hopelessness again.  I would know that it does happen, it
does work, and, when the right parts are assembled, it would be
wonderful again.  I thank Scott for helping me to come to that sense
of peace.

In <29DEC92.16572481@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
|>In a previous article, bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) wrote:
|>>Finally, sometime between 7 and 10 years you will resign yourself
|>>to hearing the following question every evening for the rest of 
|>>your life: "I dunno, what do YOU want to do for dinner?"

We have been doing that for most of our relationship.  The real trick
is to be the first one to pose the question each evening.  If one of
us vetoes a suggestion, the price of the veto is to offer the next
suggestion.

Gene

--

| gal@bnr.ca (Gene A. Lavergne) | In all of opera, I most identify |
| ESN 444-4842 / (214) 684-4842 | with the character of Elektra.   |
| PO Box 851986, Richardson, TX | That often worries me.           |
| USA 75085-1986 | Opinions expressed here are mine and not BNR's. |
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Child Sexual Abuse (Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground) Nature12/3/92
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:10:27 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ansible.pubs.stratus.com

Amy Young Leith writes
>In article <13710@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>FALSE.  Depending on which study you read, at least 21% of molestation
>>is by exclusive homosexuals, or about 30% is done by homosexuals or
>>bisexuals.
>>If you don't even have the basic facts right, there's no point
>>in arguing with you.
>Yes, for this same reason I wonder why people bother responding to
>you. 

How true!

>Would you mind giving a clear and concise professional reference for
>the claims you make above?  

I don't have the "clear and concise professional references"
in front of me, but Crammer is confusing "homosexual acts" with
homosexuals.  Most child rape involves a man, often a relative, 
against a girl.  The second largest group involves a man against
a boy.  However, in the vast majority of those cases, the older man is
functioning in the society as a heterosexual. Whether or not the person
is actually gay isn't the point---most of these men vehemently
deny being gay.  (And, yes, about twenty
percent of the cases involve women and children.)

Sure, some gay people engage in sexual abuse against children, but the vast  
majority of child sexual abusers, even taking into account the fact that 
about 90% of the population is straight, are self-avowed heterosexuals. 

*  In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak *
*  because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I *
*  didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade *
* unionists, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a trade unionist... *
*Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up.*
*  Rev. Martin Niemoeller     [Why to March on Washington in April]  *
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: zw{i,a}cky matters
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 22:32:31 GMT

In article <92366.144938SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon
<SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>A therblig is a 'Gilbreth' spelt backwards, Gilbreth as in 'John Kenneth'.

If it's as in John Kenneth, it's a htiarblag, isn't it?

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:42:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec22.024227.25596
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <18214@autodesk.COM> randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark) writes:
>>There are certainly gay science fiction writers, but I don't think they
>>write very well.
>	?????  In general probably true, but I think Delaney
>	among the best SF/fantasy writers working today.

Well, I'll call him the "best looking" of all those I've ever met
(not as much of an honor as you might think, but he's still delicious
looking.)  His autobiography is wonderful, but it's non-fiction.

I think that almost all current SF/fantasy writing is simply TV for
the semi-literate, and Delany's work in this genre hasn't made me
change my mind.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the story ends with a cliff hanger?
Keywords: kidnapping, beards, bikes
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:33:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec31.093310.8316
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec31.072748.10591@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>yes, but there is photographic evidence of you sitting in the DRIVERS seat
>of my bike, me as passenger, and that he-man chain around your neck...

Yeah, but I didn't want to ride your bike, I wanted to ride you...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Donna Denies It
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 00:09:16 GMT


According to a tv news report I've just seen on our local
NBC outlet, Donna Shalala, outgoing Chancellor of the
UW-Madison and soon to be Secretary of Health and Social
Services in the Clinton administration, said today that
reports she is a lesbian are "nonsense."  Apparently Queer
Nation has been after her to come out since she was tagged
for the HSS job by the president-elect.  Doesn't look like
she's gonna.  Maybe she ain't, despite setting off my gaydar
and those of a great many other people.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:27:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec31.002741.2546
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1htdr4INN8sj@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>If I'm following you right, you mean a married person can have 
>his spouse/dependants on his insurance, but a single person 
>can't have his roommate/unmarried SO on it?  Any other bennies 
>that the married people get better?  ie, can you explain in 
>more detail the discrepencies? 

I'd be happy if partnership benefits were extended to all couples
without reference to their marital status.  Health insurance is the
big issue, of course.  We're talking about $2500 or more per year
for private individual insurance; this is a big chunk of change.

>> And this doesn't even address lower payment of single employees.  
>
>When I was single, I didn't have a problem with married 
>people at my same level getting paid more; I figured they 
>needed it, as they had more responsibilities to take care 
>of.  I don't know that this is really an EE issue. 

I was always under the impression that this was illegal, if carried
out in any systematic way.  It is common policy in Europe, I'm told,
but I didn't think it was in the US.  Am I naive?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss