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From: smithx@fraser.sfu.ca (David Smith)
Subject: Re: The law about Goalkeeper control
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:15:24 GMT

dpwo_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Wolgast) writes:

[beginning stuff deleted]

>Here is the text of this year's IFB decision:

>"The International F.A. Board is of the opinion that a goalkeeper, in the
>circumstances described in Law XII 5(a), will be considered to be in
>control of the ball by touching it with any part of his hands or arms.
>Possession of the ball would include the goalkeeper intentionally parrying
>the ball, but would not include the circumstance where, in the opinion of the
>referee, the ball rebounds accidentally from the goalkeeper, for example
>after he has made a save."

>Basically, what this means is that if the GK has the opportunity (it is
>within his skill level) to catch a ball that he plays with his hands or
>arms, then he must do so if he wants to further control the ball with
>his hands or arms.

>For a ground ball, a GK must either pick up the ball straight away or use
>some other part of his body.

I have already seen this rule cause quite a lot of confusion and I 
expect it will continue to do so until referees learn how to interpret
it. The purpose of the law is to prevent goalkeepers from knocking the
ball down and then dribbling it along the ground with their feet.    
and then picking the ball up again. However  
I have seen referees call a free kick even when the goalkeeper picked 
the ball up immediately after knocking it down. If the goalkeeper does
this, even if he/she appears to have deliberately knocked the ball down
rather than catching it, no advantage is gained. Therefore referees should
only call a free kick when the goalkeeper starts to dribble and then picks
the ball up. 

Perhaps FIFA would have been better to simply make a rule saying that once
the goalkeeper has touched the ball with his/her hands he/she cannot dribble
the ball and then pick it up?

>In my opinion, this will definitely reduce time-wasting by goalkeepers.
>I think we will have to call it several times at the start of the season,
>but it will improve quickly, since teams often don't like IFK's six yards 
>from their goal.


As a goalkeeper, I must say that this rule is likely to cause some difficulties
due to referees not understanding and not interpreting the law in the  sense
that it was obviously intended. However I agree that it is a sensible rule
particularly at the professional and international level.

Dave Smith
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: BRAZIL: CAN THEY BE CHAMPIONS AGAIN?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:47:33 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

st912880@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>The 1990 team was a disappointment. After a good opening game against Denmark
                                                                      ^^^^^^^^
>which they won 2-1, they resorted to cautious, defensive minded football which
>cost them dearly. 

Ahem, they played against Sweden! I don't know how you can mix up the brilliant
Danish team with that failure the swedes send to Italy. In fact Denmark have
never lost against Brazil, we have won both games. The last one with 4-0.

Trivia: Denmark have a clean record against the 3 traditional powers of
southamerican soccer, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay.

>The big question is: Can Brazil be World Champions again?

No.
-- 
|Jesper Lauridsen        |  Liverpool FC - 18xChampions, 4xCup Winner,    |
|rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   |                 4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner         |
|                        |  Bayern Mu"nchen - 12xChampions, 8xCup Winner, |
| No News is bad News    |                    3xEC1 and 1xEC2 Winner      |
From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Dutch competition, round 30.
Summary: played 3/4, 4/4 and 5/4.
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:35:32 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

MVV - PSV 1-1
   11' Kieft  0-1
   19' Meijer 1-1

Feijenoord - RKC 0-0

VVV - Fortuna Sittard 1-4
    2' Janssen 0-1
   57' Boogers 0-2
   71' Haan    1-2
   75' Mordang 1-3
   90' Boogers 1-4

Roda JC - FC Twente 1-1
   68' Arnold   1-0
   77' Gaasbeek 1-1

SVV/D '90 - FC Utrecht 1-2
   54' Liesdek 0-1
   57' Gorre'  1-1
   66' Bijl    1-2 (penalty)

Volendam - FC Groningen 2-0
   27' Berghuis 
   59' Kras

Willem II - Ajax 2-4
   12' Alflen     0-1
   15' van Geel   1-1
   36' van Loen   1-2
   71' van Geel   2-2
   77' Pettersson 2-3
   90' Bergkamp   2-4

Vitesse - de Graafschap 1-0
   37' Loeffen

FC den Haag - Sparta 0-0


PSV           30 21  8  1 50 66-24
Ajax          30 21  5  4 47 69-21
Feijenoord    29 17  8  4 42 45-17
Vitesse       30 14  8  8 36 43-29
FC Groningen  29 13  8  8 34 40-31
Roda JC       30 12 10  8 34 38-33
RKC           29 10 12  7 32 48-39
FC Utrecht    30  9 13  8 31 35-33
FC Twente     30 11  8 10 30 48-45
Sparta        30  9 11 10 29 41-50
MVV           29  9 10 10 28 30-38
Willem II     29 10  7 12 27 40-38
Volendam      31 10  7 14 27 33-43
SVV/D '90     30  8  5 17 21 36-58
FC den Haag   31  5 10 16 20 27-55
Fortuna S.    29  4 10 15 18 30-46
de Graafschap 30  5  8 17 18 25-50
VVV           29  2  6 21 10 27-71

joost.

-- 
Joost Schraag          e-mail: schraag@fwi.uva.nl          ICBM: 52.22`N 04.54`E
From: patb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English Hoofball on TV
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:46:12 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

Does anybody know if and when the Liverpool-Leeds game is live on TV ? I have 
heard a rumour of it being on on Saturday! This could be to give Leeds a day
off before being thrashed by Coventry on the Monday. Perhaps it's not on the
box at all ?

	Pat

p.s. I definitely saw Alex Ferguson on TV playing Taggart's grandfather.
From: mic@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Murray Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US only likes LOW scores?????
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:35:07 GMT
Reply-To: mic@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Murray Cole)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Apr6.075709.54216@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:

>To most Americans (especially adults), football is just mindless kicking 
>the ball up and down the field.  

Well it certainly IS in the Scottish second division, and none the worse
for that, say I (;-).

Murray.
From: archer@hsi86.hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Newport County? ( was "Re: Derby County??")
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:03:01 GMT
Reply-To: archer@hsi86.hsi.com.com (Garry Archer)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford

In article <1992Apr8.130248.8842@inmos.co.uk> glenn@inmos.co.uk (Glenn Hill) writes:
>In article <5361@hsi86.hsi.com> archer@hsi86.hsi.com.com (Garry Archer)
>writes:
>
>>Yes.  Derby County FC are a team that represents the county of Derbyshire,
>>just like Manchester City FC represents the city of Manchester.
>>Correct.  Same for Notts County.
>
>Although now sadly defunct, can anyone explain the origin of the name
>Newport County. I wasn't aware that Newport was ever a county. Perhaps
>I'm wrong.


I can't explain it either.  Newport is definitely not a county.

They were founded in 1912 and didn't join the League until 1920-21 season.
Long after Notts (formed 1862, original league member 1888) and Derby
(formed 1884, original league member 1888), where both cities are capitals
of their respective counties.



-- 
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|                                                                              |
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Brazil: Can they be champions again?
Organization: nCUBE HeadQuarters
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:39:24 GMT

>pino@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Anthony) writes:
>British players are only average at best. 
I don't beleive that. Do you really beleive that Ian Wright, Rocastle,
campbell from Arsenal, Ian Rush, John Barns and the younger fellow which
I can't remember his name from Liverpool, Gigs, Robson, and number 10
which I forgot the name again I think it was Mark Huges from Manchester United, Queen from Manchester city, Lineaker from Spurs (Sorry if I have messed up theirnames here), are all average players? 

>Scotland have never advanced past the first round.  
I am not so much familiar with the scotish team, I am sorry.

>England didn't even qualify for the 1974 and 1978
>finals and I doubt they would have if the world cup didn't expand to 24
>teams in 1982.  Remember that they finished behind Hungary in the qualifying
>competition?  They were also so damn close to being eliminated in the first
>round in 1982 and 86.  In my opinion England is just not consistently good
>enough to be a mega power.
I know these facts. But these still don't justify the quality of their players.
I just think they don't care enough at the national level.

>   Germany on the other hand is a very good tournament team.  They deserved
>to be champions in 1990 but were lucky to reach the finals in 1986.
I just think that they are more intense. They have pride in their national
team which the British lack.


Captain Zod
zod@ncube.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: miller@loral.CTS.COM (BIG DAVE)
Subject: Re: How do you say..
Organization: Loral Instrumentation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:11:38 GMT

In article <kuc8emINNqr2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> noe@ixchel.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>Is there anyone up there from Brazil.?
>I'm trying to find out, how would you say in portuguese
>"Brazilian soccer"
>
>Fernando.

	"Brazilian soccer" == Futebol brasileiro. (The BEST in the world !!)

				       BIG DAVE.

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andy Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: US Cup games on TV
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:15:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE/SCSD

To my delight, Soccer America listed the US Cup games as a part of
there World Series of Soccer games.  Tha means that all of the US
games will be shown by Sports Channel.  And in addition to SC, Prime
Network has agreed to show three of the other games involving Ireland, Italy
and Portugal.

Here is a list of the up coming games in the US and how to go about
ordering tickets.

Sunday, May 17 in Denver(Mile High)
   US vs Scotland       1-312-808-1300

Saturday, May 30 in Washington D.C.(RFK)
   US vs Ireland        1-800-usa-goal

Wednesday June 3 in Chicago(Soldier Field)
   US vs Portugal       1-800-usa-goal

Saturday June 6 in Chicago(Soldier Field)
   US vs Italy          1-800-usa-goal

The last three games are all a part of the US Cup.  So everybody spread
the word in Chicago and Washington.  These games could get a good amount
of attention if the attendance is very good.  We are expecting two big
crowds up here in Foxboro for the US Cup.  And one of the games is being
broadcast live back to Europe(Italy vs Ireland).

The usa-goal phone number is a good place to find out information about
US soccer.

Everybody stay positive!!!!

Andy
From: J.J.Forster@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football at the movies etc.
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:17:52 GMT
Reply-To: J.J.Forster@lut.ac.uk (Jonathon Forster)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

In article <2633@pyrfect.UUCP> maura@pyra.co.uk (Maura Clark) writes:
>In <HANS.92Mar31150325@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:
>
>
>>...and now over to something completely different:
>
>>The other day I was trying to find out if there were any interesting
>>works of fiction (films, plays, novels etc.) where football plays an
>>essential part. Oodly enough, off the top of my head I could think of
>>very few actual examples.
>
>I can think of at least 4, but my memory of them is scant...
>
>There was a few years back a brilliant TV play called (I think)
>
>'Those Glory Glory Days' about a group of Spurs supporting schoolgirls
>in the sixties. I believe it was based on a true story and the main
>protagonist is now a football correspondent with a daily newspaper.
>It even had a cameo appearance by the great Danny Blanchflower.
>A most enjoyable play.
>


I think the author was Julie Welch who did (and quite possibly still does)
write for The Observer.
I seem to remember I've heard her covering snooker for radio 5!!
Its been on TV at least twice and was, I agree, very good.


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|      Jon Forster                Coventry City FC - The Sky Blues            |
| J.J.Forster@uk.ac.lut                FA Cup Winners 1987                    |
|                                                                             |
| Teams beaten in cup in 1987 - Bolton, Man U, Stoke, Sheff Wed, Leeds, Spurs |
| Teams beaten in cup since 1987 - Torquay, Wigan                             |
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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se (Kent Hedlundh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Turkish scores???
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:40:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr7.144057.7522
Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden


    I haven't seen the Turkish results for quite some time now.
If this is posted to soc.culture.turkish, please post them to this newsgroup,
too!

Kent
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: Re: Turkish soccer results
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 22:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.174125.15880@news.unomaha.edu> MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu writes:
>Hi folks,
>here the turkish soccer results from Apr. 12th.
>
>	Besiktas	-	Fenerbahce	1:0
>	Trabzon		-	Galatasaray	2:3
>	Altay		-	Bakirkoy	1:0
>	Genclerbirligi	-	Ankaragucu	2:3
>	Sariyer		-	Konya		0:1
>	Bolu		-	Adana D.S.	3:0
>	Gaziantep	-	Aydin		0:4
>	Samsun		-	Bursa		4:0
>
>The  leader in the league is still Besiktas, followed by Fenerbahce and
>Trabzon.
>
>
>Regards, Mutlu	
>	

The current league leader Besiktas got an incredible break by beating its
big time rival and close follower Fenerbahce (both teams are from Istanbul)
yesterday. The only goal of the game was scored at 89 th minute deflating
the hopes of Fenerbahce for a championship. Besiktas still has not lost
one single game in the league this year.

Sincerely,

Orhan
From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Juergen Klinnsmann :)
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:12:42 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland

> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> What's the difference between Juergen Klinnsmann
> and the Titanic?
> 
> The Titanic didn't go down in the penalty area. 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
Although he is a great actor, he is also a very good striker, lets not forget
it. Especially in W.Germany - Netherlands in WC'90 he did a superb job after
Voeller was thrown out.

- Marko Poutiainen
  mep@phoenix.oulu.fi
-- 

- Marko Poutiainen
  mep@phoenix.oulu.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.celtic
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:50:03 GMT
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

In article <1992Apr8.003230.108@leland.Stanford.EDU> orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.074011.21852@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>
>>will improve. ETC ETC ETC. Increased musclemass will add to the skills any 
>>player already possess. This has been ignored by almost all European and
>>South American teams. You can bet the americans will not ignore it.
>>An example is the scottish team getting knocked off the ball by a bigger,
>>stronger German team. You take the scottish players, put them on an NFL
>>training regime and I promise you nobody will knock them off the ball.
>>
>>Most NFL players train year round and have trained year round since high school.
>>What I am saying is you take any soccer player and add 20 pounds of muscle to 
>>him and you get a better player.
>>Roy
>
>There is slight problem, though. Increased muscle mass reduces the 
>flexibility of an athlete. Flexibility is not a crucial issue in NFL
>but certaily is in soccer. Considering that players like Hugo Sanches,
>Maradona, Ardilles who would be considered as mere midgets by NFL
>standards have been quite successful due to their speed and flexibility.
>
>After all, you can't beat what you can't catch !!!
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Orhan Arsel.

Yes, if flexibilty is restricted then that is a costly trade for muscle
mass. 
However, there is no reason why flexibilty has to suffer. That is a myth.
In fact that is a myth perpetrated, in part, by "skinny" athletes and
non-athletes and weekend warrior who respond to questions about their lack
of muscle with "I dont want to lose my flexibilty" *laugh*  That has been
the butt of many comedy sketches.  ***98 pound man on the beach gets sand
kicked in his face, but doesnt want to bulk up because he will lose his
flexibility.***

Look at the bodies on many of the worlds fastes athletes? Skin and bones or
rippling muscle?  I'm not talking about a terminator type body. I'm talking
about strength and weight training. Stronger,faster players is the result.

Training has not received the attention it should in much of the world. Football
players 20 years from now will leave todays crop in the dust. It will be like 
watching a 1930 movie today--outdated. Adding 5-20 pounds of muscle takes years
and hours of work every day. 

Soccer is the worlds percect sport (especially when it is not a defensive
piece of crap) and you dont have to be tall or have biceps the size of water-
melons to play it. That is part of its appeal (ie poke at basketball and the 
NFL), however the ultimate competitor will realize all of his abilities--and
that includes a strict diet and add muscle mass.  Tooo many soccer players
ignore this--for now they can get away with it.

The soccer player of 5 years from now will be stronger and faster.

Roy
.
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Brazil: Can they be champions again?
Date: 17 Apr 1992 06:01:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

>   British players are only average at best.  

Whoa, let's take it easy here! Those islands have produced a large crop
of stupendous players, staring with Dennis Law, Booby Moore, Bobby Charlton,
Alan Ball, and ending with Platt and Gascoigne. And how about: Toshack, Rush,
Whiteside, Trevor Francis, Keegan, Souness, Strachan, Banks, etc.etc. In my
opinion they are the only who can compete with Brazil when it comes to 
league density of excellent players. True, they also have what Brazil never
managed to amass: brutish and primitive too-tall fullbacks..
 
>Scotland have never advanced...

Yeah, but I still remember the scare they gave Netherlands in Argentina in
the qualifying round; also they tend to arrive and leave drunk at/the World
Cup site..

>   Germany on the other hand is a very good tournament team.  

Absolutely correct. They can also be deadly boring at times and utterly ineffect
ual at other times (remember the game against Colombia? It ultimately turned out
to be fun since El Loco Higuita gave us all great entartainment later on against
Cameroon) However, you can not mention "good tournament teams" without bringing
Argentina into the picture...


-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gregory's Girl
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:57:54 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <9204101446.AA11130@RockGarden.hisoft.com> james@HISOFT.COM (James C. Armstrong) writes:
>-> Yes, I forgot this one.   Yeah, I liked this one too.  (A Bill Forsyth
>-> film, as others have already pointed out).  Gregory's girlfriend is
>-> very good at footy and makes the school team.  Can't remember, wasn't
>-> Gregory the goalkeeper?  Not important, its been several years since
>-> I saw it.  And it was over here in the U.S. on The Movie Channel.
>
>Gregory has a crush on the girl who replaced him up front.  His best
>friend is goalkeeper, and he replaces his best friend in goal.  When he
>finally asks her out, she stands him up, and he gets led on a chase to
>finally meet the girl who has a crush on him.
>
>A very charming movie.  The football is almost incidental.

One of my all-time favourite films! The football is incidental, but provides
some very funny scenes. One is where the rather attractive Dorothy (Dee
Hepburn) who has replaced Gregory as centre-forward scores a great goal.
Gregory, who fancies her something rotten, is stuck in his goalmouth
and has to watch as not only the boys from their own side come to kiss
and congratulate her, but also the opposition team as well!

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!ukc!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
From: dubois@iesd.auc.dk (Mikael Skov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Manchester United for Championship 1992
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:01:07 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


After Manchester City beat Leeds United by 4 - 0, tonight is the night where
Manchester United can take an important step in the championship race by 
beating City at Old Trafford.

Goodbye Leeds.
From: kdobrien@unix2.tcd.ie (kevin daniel o'brien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:18:44 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <pgllooly.702925089@unix2.tcd.ie> pgllooly@unix2.tcd.ie (Paul Gillooly) writes:


>Who are Leeds playing this weekend ?

Sorry, but I still don't know.You had better check the newspapers.
Best of luck.
From: visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Copa Libertadores - Update
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:39:27 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


	Copa Libertadores - Group 3 - Ecuador/Venezuela
	-----------------------------------------------

	Previous results (first team is home team):
	
		Maritimo 1 - ULA Merida 2
		Valdez 0 - Barcelona 0
		ULA Merida 0 - Valdez 2
		Maritimo 1 - Valdez 0
		Maritimo 1 - Barcelona 1
		ULA Merida 0 - Barcelona 1
		ULA Merida 0 - Maritimo 0
		Barcelona 1 - Valdez 0
		Valdez 2 - Maritimo 1
		Barcelona 3 - Maritimo 1
		Valdez 1 - ULA Merida 1

	Friday April 10th:

		Barcelona 5 - ULA Merida 1


	Final Table
	-----------

	Team		Pts	W  T  L  GF-GA
	--------------------------------------

	Barcelona (ECU) 10	4  2  0  11-3    * To second round
	Valdez    (ECU) 6	2  2  2   5-4    * To second round
	Maritimo  (VEN)	4	1  2  3   5-8    * To second round 
	ULA Merida(VEN) 4	1  2  3   4-10   * Eliminated


Bye,

Marcello.

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