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From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:39:44 GMT

In article <92Aug31.172148edt.115@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.204919.29642@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>In article <92Aug31.144101edt.56@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>
>>>not quite.  There are invasions, and they do settle down, for example,
>>>look at Sichuan & Qinghai provinces, they all have a lot of mix races
>>>living together, Tibetan, Han, Hui, MOngols, and quite a few smaller
>>>nationalities.  
>>
>>How big is the Tibetian population in Sichuan?  I will not concede, in the
>A quite big one, in the western part of the province, A lot of Armed
>Police in Tibet are acturally Sichuan Tibetans. 

The west part of Sichuan was XiKan, which was splitted into two parts,
one goes to Sichuan, while the other to Tibet.

......

Tingli Pan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24238 soc.culture.japan:7429 soc.history:7869
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.history
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Japanese Expansion - 1930's (was: An open letter to the Emperor...)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:04:12 GMT

In article <visser.715029312@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>In <1992Aug27.181042.11197@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>
>+> 
>+>        I was pretty appalled at the claim by a Japanese (related by
>+>        Dave McLane ) that Japan invaded China (in the 1930s) at the
>+>        request of the Communist Party of China.  Japan was busily
>+>        jailing every leftist in Japan and the Imperialists who headed
>+>        Japan were as adamantly opposed to socialism as the Nazis, and
>+>        Fascists, despite some similarities in the rhetoric of all
>+>        those groups.
>
>		I think the events that shed the most light on what was
>	going on in Japan in the 1920's and 1930's was the large numbers of
>	outright murders of officials of the government that were committed
>	either by the military or by right-wing fanatics.
>
>	At the time of the Manchurian Invasion, fanaticism in Japan was like
>	a fire burning out of control.  Many japanese actions look more like
>	just a fanatic desire to expand in some direction than an organized
>	effort.  From what little I understand, those years are partially
>	characterized by endless factionalism.....army vs. navy vs. goverment
>	vs. right-wing civilian fanatics vs. businessmen
>	and with factions fighting each other within those major groups. 
>
>	The strangest and most unexplainable thing I have found in this era
>	was Japan's easy withdrawl from the portions of Siberia it occupied
>	during the Russian civil war.  Considering that these were "dream"
>	territories for the nationalist fanatics, and considering the
>	remoteness from the center of Russian military power, I would have
>	expected the Japanese to try to hold some of the territories or 
>	fight it out with the russians more than they did.
>
The reason that Japanese Army did not want to hold on to portions of
Siberia is really quite simple if you exam the behavior of the Japanese
Army in other occupied areas.  You see, gang raping women in sub -40C
temperatures might cause their penises to freeze and fall off, and that 
REALLY discouraged the Imperial Army to hold on to that WORTHLESS piece
of territory, a warmer climate is much more prefered for the recreational
activities of the Imperial Army ...

(Okay, Okay, I guess I offended some people, sorry, just couldn't 
resist the joke ;->  I know it's bad ...  No flame please!)  
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: li@ibis.iamp.tohoku.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese/Japanese Word Processor
Summary: mixed-language word processor
Keywords: word processor
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:55:31 GMT
Organization: Institute of Advanced Mineral Processing, Tohoku University
Originator: yuta@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu


As title suggests, do you think a word processor with dual capability of
writing both Chinese Charaters and Japanese (Kanji or Kana) exist? Thanks
for response.
						Hongjie Li
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:59:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.012230.15615@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
|> In article <3019@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >
|> >|> ratings because Chinese government is bad, and everything is bad.
|> >|> How funny!
|> >
|> >Perhaps the failing of sending a satellite has more news value than one is
|> >successful, most of the time is successful anyway, what's new??
|> U.S. blew up one $80 million dollar worth satellite yesterday, unreported.
|> 16 month ago, blew up one too.

CNN reported that failure.
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: e-mail to mainland China is now available - in some ways!
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:43:14 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw201


Hi, This is a re-posting from talk.politics.china(?)

Originator: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei)


>
>        The nation wide network in mainland China is called Chinese
>     Labotatory Network which use the protocol of X.25 (if you 
>     have some idea of network protocol you may know it; if not, 
>     no problem at all).  And the protocol used in Internet in 
>     America is TCP/IP.  A computer mainframe called 'gateway' 
>     should be used if the two kinds of network should be connected.  
>     The gateway between Chinese Labotatory Network and the 
>     Internet has not been implemented yet.  So if you want to 
>     email to China mainland, you should mail to a address
>     of company of Germany and then it'll be mailed to China. 
>     All you have to do is to use the address that follows:
>
>		cln.cn@darmstadt.dbp.de
>
>     'cln' means Chinese Labotatory Network and 'cn' mean China.  
>     The latter part of the address is the address of the 
>     German company.  i. e. the address of Fudan University 
>     in Shanghai is 'fudan.cln.cn@darmstadt.dbp.de'.
>
>     Remember, the network in China mainland is still quite 
>     primitive which may not work as well as you wish.  
>     Also there are no campus wide network available in 
>     most Chinese universities.
>
>     Try it.  If you get it work, please mail me.
>
>      Michael

P.S. The following are possible e-mail addresses in China:

  1)    math.tsinghua.cn
  2)    ica.beijing.canet.cn
  3)    beijing.canet.cn
  4)    canet.cn
  5)    tsinghua.cn

Don't know if one should put a username before the address, e.g,

         lipeng@beijing.canet.cln.cn@darmstadt.dbp.de

Or simply 

          beijing.canet.cln.cn@darmstadt.dbp.de

So that everyone in beijing.canet can read your letter?


Anyway, TRY IT OUT!



 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: What is love in Chinese sense.
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:23:59 GMT

In article <Btv93t.26r@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>I have had answers from people in other cultures. I thought it
>would be an interesting question to many Chinese. So my questions
>are the following:
>
>(1). When a Chinese man says he loves a woman, what does he really
>     mean?
a real Chinese man never say 'I love ..', they say 'I like..' instead.

>(2). When a Chinese woman says she loves a man, what does she mean?
 if she say so, she probably also westernized.

>
>(3). When Chinese parents say they love their children, what do they
>     mean, what do they do?
it means what they said is true.

>
>(4). When Chinese parents expect love from their children, what do
>     they expect the most.
succesful parents only wish their children happy, healthy and enjoy life.
but low-class or socially weak intelectual parents seem expect too much 
and press too much.

>
>(5). When a Chinese says he loves his country, what does he mean.
he is too emotional. then his emotion will fade quickly.
if you love your country you don't need to say so. 

>
>(6). When the government says that it loves its people, what does
>     it mean and what does it expect.
government in any country governs people. It's a machine. 
it imposes tax and uses police to keep law and order.


>
>(7). When a Chinese loves a non-Chinese (including Hongkonger and
>     Taiwanese), what is behind the love.
that is too personal to answer.

>

>(8). Is Chinese allowed to love their enemies?
that is too much, if you don't want to be eaten.

>
>Xiao Li

Are you B blood-group type ?

there are two secret laws leading to personal success:
1. ren2 zhe3 ai4 ren2 (kind person loves people, by Confucius)
2. hui1 jin1 ru2 tu3 sha1 ren2 ru2 ma2
(never hesitate to spend as much money as you want and kill as many
people as you can, by Qing dynasity military commander Zeng Guofan)


Huachen Pan
Finland
------------------
I am using friend's account


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:55:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.182742.4230@news.cs.brandeis.edu> xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu  
writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.232056.18099@news.acns.nwu.edu>,  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >Yes, people are working hard to develop Qinghai and Tibet, but not only Han  
> >people. Also, I don't think Hans develop the area to help the Tibetans. I  
guess  
> >they do it for themselves. Just like the early settlers in the US who  
grabbed  
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why can not they do for themselves? People do for themselves to get 
> rich, and government does it for the country to get stronger. I do not 
> see anything to do with the Tibeteans. Where are the Tibeteans? They are 
> part of the people doing for themseves.
> 
> Which country in the world does things for other country's good? And 
> which people live for other races? 
> 
> People live for themselves and government for its country. If you are so 
> good and kind, will you give $1000 for my tuition fee?
> 
> >land from native Indians and then developed. Can you say that they did it  
for  
> >Indians. Also, Germans and British also developed their controlled areas in  
> >China to some degree in the past, do you think they did it for us Chinese?  
In  
> >fact the living conditions in some controlled areas did improved. Were  
Chinese
> >people satisfied?
> >
> >
> >Carl

Please read my previous posts and debate with Ze Yang. Ze Yang said that CG  
treat Tibetans better than Hans and Hans have been helping Tibetans since  
1950s. I think Ze Yang won't agree with you that no people live for other  
races. 

Carl

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24259 misc.test:10235
From: zmli@rooster.cwi.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,misc.test
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Summary: thank you also
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:32:15 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: Nederland
Originator: zmli@rooster.cwi.nl

Exchan: I thank you also. According to O. Li, you are the only one
could work this.  Z.M.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xyang@bcars279.UUCP (Sherry Yang)
Subject: Re: White male/Asian female and Asian male/white female
Reply-To: xyang@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:36:57 GMT

In article <17vv05INN338@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cc015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vito T. Kwan) writes:
|> 
|> Someone brought up this topic before, and his/her opinion in why there are
|> more cases of white male/Asian female marriage is Asian males are of nationalism
|> Hey, wake up! Don't be so Ah Q. In my opinion (being an Asian male), I think
|> the Asian females are more of materialism.  (especially those from HK) The 

Are you sure the Asian males are not as much materialism as their
counter partners?

|> following are the reasons for this kind of sick phenomenon:
|> 
|>     1. They can get the green card.

What if an Asian girl who already has a greed card? Or earn more
or equal money than her white boyfriend?

|>     2. Male (traditionally) thinks his career is much more important than any ing else (and dating a white female takes awful long time and much money)

I thought dating an Asian girl is even more sophisticated than
dating a white girl. Have you ever had such an experience? I do
see many around me, though.

|>     3. Females with a white males like to show off in front of their Asian friends. (Male have this problem too, but not as serious as the Asian females)

Ha, I thought if an Asian person (female/male) has a well-off
(use your own standards to interpret this word since everyone has 
his/her values) partner he/she is more eager to show off to his/her 
country fellows instead of bringing a mysterious white guy/gal to them.

|>     4. white females don't have a good image on the Asian males. White females
|> think Asian females are hard-working, smart, GPA more than 3.5, wear thick glass, don't comb hair, not romantic enough, poor, don't have sense of humor, lousy
|> at bed, etc.

I do not think so. But, if you have someone in your mind and you'd
like to impress her, try to improve yourself according to her tastes.

|>        White males think Asian girls are cute, nice, smile all the time, care
|> for their boyfriends, good cooks.

Don't you agree? I can't agree more. :-) What's your experience of 
dating Asian girls? If it's different from the above then try to 
prove to your white male friends that Asian girls are not worth 
according to your experience. If your experience fits the above
description why don't you try to grab a Asian girl from a 
white guy by show her you're better. :-) (Sorry for any white
man who has an Asian girlfriend: I don't mean you!)
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: WHAT ABOUT TIBET?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 17:43:20 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu

In article <1992Aug26.163050.24546@alf.uib.no>, NGFZH@livid.uib.no writes:
|> Hi Friends:
|> I just got back from Tibet. It was a Chinese Expedition to Mt. Qomolongma
|> (Sorry I don't use English name MT.Everest). I found a lot discussion about
|> Tibet and feel no time to read all of them even though they are really
|> interesting.
|> About the discussion I only want to give some facts.
|> (1) Our team should pay entrance fee to Mt. Qomolongma region.
|> (2) Everyone know that there is something called Family Plan in China, but
|> it is not found in Tibet. I met a Tibetan famer, Doji, who speaks Chinese.
|> He have three daughters and still want a son. (3) About the living standard,
|> Doji lives in Rongbuk valley leading to Mt. Qomolongma. He has three cows
|> (not yarks) and several tens of sheep. I belive that he is richer than some
|> Han famers living 100 kilometers north from Beijing. (4)I derectly ask him if
|> he likes Tibetan independence. He said NO and that after the independence
|> he would be forced to support monasteries qingke(a sort of weater) and
|> butter, and lamas and monks would be high class on them.
|> (5) In Xigaze, the second city in Tibet, I found Chinese soldiers
|> cleaning the streets in early morning(I have the picture). (6)
|> From a Xiegar County offical, I got that the gorvenment pays money to rebuild
|> monasteries. In fact, in Rongbuk monastery which is nearest to Mt. Qomolongma
|> and highest located in the world, there are 10 monks and 17 nuns now.
|> (7)Compared with two years ago when I was in Tibet, more new buidings are found
|> in Lahsa. In Zaxilunbu monastery, Xigaze, several new buiding has been
|> constructed and one is being building. Pudala Palace is being renewing too.
|> (8)In the army, armed police and police, there are alot Tibetans.
|> It is easy to find Tibetan armed policemen guarding the gate of Tibet
|> Autonomous Region Gorvenment.
|> (9) Finally, for me, a Han people, it is not easy to speak to Tibetans. Most
|> of Tibetans don't speak my language. And everywhere, I can see typical
|> Tibetan artworks and culture.
|> 
|> ZH
   A lot of thanks to ZH. I really want to see more articles like this. Also our
that half-Han brother should read this and open his mind (at least a little bit).
From: junzhang@acpub.duke.edu (Huilai Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Cheap airline to Beijing
Keywords: Ticket
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:09:19 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china

Hi, folks,

	I plan to go back to Beijing for visiting my family in about one
month. Does anybody here know where can I find a cheap airline ticket?
Any help will be welcome.

	Thanks in advance.

Huilai Zhang

P.S. 
Please either reponse on the net or give me an email at:
junzhang@acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gxc15@po.CWRU.Edu (Gongzhen Cheng)
Subject: Re: ftp ahkcus.org -- what the matter?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 17:34:36 GMT


One way to get the latest version of HXWZ is to join the alt.chinese.text
group. 

--
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:48:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.053313.10212@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert) writes:
>>
>>
>>>yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) wrote:
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>>Actually, both statement are true, Dalai Lama and most his followers
>So were those christians who believed Jesus refused to punish the
>Roman with storm. Do you know how many people they killed in the 
>"Dark age". Whether Dalai is one of the salves holders is still a
>a question for me?


>>>Were slave holder, they kill their slaves and use their slave's blood 
>> 
>>This lie is so ridiculous it's pathetic.  You would have us believe that
>>THe Dalai Lama, a man who opposes killing (it is completely against
>>Buddha Dharma), has killed people and used their blood as a sacrifice?

>>You insult our intelligence.
>> 
>>P.S.  Please don't take this personally. I'm not calling you a liar since
>>you probably believe this fiction created by your government.

Mr. Calvert's original post was not seen by me before, I still cannot
find it.(It's that because of our system's problem?), Tibeta did practice
slavery system, you like it or not, that is the fact, the USA practiced
slavery just 150 years ago, you can not imagine that either, Dalai
Lama did use the slave's blood as a sacrifice, you have difficulty
to understand that? Christianality also opposes killing, so what?

Mr. Calvert should not trust his intelligence too much, should base
his understanding on the fact, should read more history book published
in your own country first. (In your words, the fiction produced by 
your own government) 

Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Epic of a Golden Banana, Chapter One
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:11:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Banana Republic

Article 40112 of soc.culture.china:
cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) wrote:


>A lot of Chinese students became "pro"-CCP after they came to the West, before
>that they were "anti"-CCP. I am one of them.
>I am so glad that a lot of people from mainland are really matured
>politically. I guesss this is one of the good effect of Culture Revolution,
>among other effects(good or bad).

On that note, the story of a Golden Banana begins...

Once upon a time, there was this Chinese student who became "pro"-CCP after he 
came to the West, before that he was "anti"-CCP.  

Sooner or later, he was summoned by Karl Marx.  In that godless abyss, he 
became "pro"-religion,  before that he was "anti"-religion.

And Karl Marx got very angry and sent him to hell.  In hell he saw all that
inequality and pain (for Karl Marx knows the daemon pretty well and made sure 
that the guy was sent to the bottom 18th level), he became "pro"-God, before he
was "anti"-God. Not that he was anti-Christ, he just did not believe there
was a heaven and there was a hell.

So he arrived heaven.  He saw the ground was made of gold and pillars diamond. 
The boundary of wealth was absolutely unheard of.  That reminded him of his 
graduate, post-graduate, post-post-graduate life on earth.  He stood  up and 
made denunciation, "if you have so much money, why didn't you send me some when
I was back down there?"  He became "pro"-individualism, before that he was 
"anti"-individualism.

Without a doubt, that caused immense wrath from God.  But God is loving and 
caring.  God did not want to send the poor fellow back to hell, nor earth, nor 
where Marx was for Marx and God don't communicate that well.  So God asked him 
where he wanted to go.  The guy said to God, "please send me to Mao, after all,
I am a Chinese."

And finally, he was there with Mao.  Mao sat him down, as he did with all his 
followers in China.  Mao asked him, "why are you never in good terms with 
where you are?"  To that question, he pondered a minute, and answered as if he
was finally enlightened, "Chairman Mao, I have always been a "anti"-current Red
Guard.  I firmly believe that this is one of the good effects of Culture 
Revolution."

Because no one is living with Mao, there is no such thing as current and 
anti-current. The two fellows keep debating each other and fight for as long as
the universe lasts.  And they live with each other happily ever after.

As in most Chinese novels, I shall add, there is a poem to testify this story:

Before I wrote big character posters, 
	now I flame small ASCII post on the net;
Before I was a mindless Red Guard, 
	now I am a mature post-post-post-graduate;
Before I tried everything to come to the West, 
	now I say what the heck, CCP isn't that bad;
Before I hated Mao 'cause I thought he set China back,
	now I know U.S.A. is in a worse mess.

To be continued...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (yueting chen)
Subject: Info. about Korean Air needed !
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:25:43 GMT


Hello, there,
	Can any of you who have taken Korean Air tell me its phone number? 
Is there any travel agent which acts as the representative of Korean Air? If 
yes, what's the phone number? Please post your responses here or e-mail to me 
at yuechen@ucs.indiana.edu. Seems there are quite lot of people(please correct
me if my usage of word 'people' here is wrong) interested in this topic. Any
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china