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From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: As easy as Pi
Keywords: 5Drs, Pi, Chess
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:18:51 GMT
Organization: A Planet Of His Own

In article <1992Jul27.163522.15693@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>(incidentialy: the calculation of the portion of Pi the Doctor mentions is
>WRONG. He says: 3.1415269, and the first few digidts is: 3.1415927)

He's right. Checking the tape, Dr #1 says: 3.14159265. That's clearly a good
approximation of pi = 3.14159265358979323846264338327950 ad nauseum...

							- greg
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From: dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer)
Subject: Re: As easy as Pi
Keywords: 5Drs, Pi, Chess
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:45:05 GMT

dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:

>P.S I can tolerate about 6 seconds of the Cyberleader's voice in Tomb be much
>ado about nothing in these early Who stories, that is to say that there is 
>a lot of filler acting and running backwards and forwards, and too much
>extension of trivial sequences. I truly feel that Who improved markedly
>with Pertwee, and just got better. Sorry to all Hartnell/Troughton fans, but
>I can't stomach the farce. 

Should read...

P.S I can tolerate about 6 seconds of the Cyberleader's voice in Tomb before
my brain starts to ooze out of my ears. Its probably me, but there seems to be
much ado about nothing in these early Who stories, that is to say that there is 
a lot of filler acting and running backwards and forwards, and too much
extension of trivial sequences. I truly feel that Who improved markedly
with Pertwee, and just got better. Sorry to all Hartnell/Troughton fans, but
I can't stomach the farce involved in some of these early stories.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Dennis Remmer - dennis@citr.uq.oz.au - DennisR@syacus.acus.oz
    Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Brisbane Queensland Australia
From: Liz%Eng%Banyan@HIPPO.BANYAN.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Status of New Dr. Who Series
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:47:37 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 69 19:00:00 EST

kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn) says:
>And if, by the gods, a new series is being planned, any notice on whether
>Sylvester McCoy and Ace (don't know the actress) will be back?  I, for
>one (and I think I am in the minority) _liked_ Syl and Ace--what a team!

In the minority?  I hadn't thought about it...I haven't seen much of 
Sylvester and Sophie (Allred, the actress who plays Ace) - just one
episode of "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy" ("Tickets, please..."), the
latter half of "Survival", and "The Curse of Fenric" on video tape (about
five hundred times:-)) - but they have become my favorites.  (Ace is on 
a very short list of female companions who are women I might actually like
to know.)  I like very much how their relationship is written: they
are comfortable, affectionate, and trusting with each other, without 
coming off staged or overwrought.  When I watch them, I really believe that
they care for each other.

As for the "incomprehensible" McCoy stories; well, I'll admit that a few
Fenric mysteries were cleared up for me by the novelization (and Steve's
summary:-)).  But all the actual film I've seen (and please keep in mind
I haven't yet been subjected to the stories that the net seems to agree
sucked canal water) has been well-acted, and interestingly (if sometimes
confusingly) written.

So, Kip, if you're in the minority, you're not alone!

Still waiting for 25/26 to come to New Hampshire,

Liz
lizb@banyan.com




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From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: As easy as Pi
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:48:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.163522.15693@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu  
(Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
> (incidentialy: the calculation of the portion of Pi the Doctor mentions  
is
> WRONG. He says: 3.1415269, and the first few digidts is: 3.1415927)
                                                 ^ ^               ^ 
> Frank Trumpy
> trump@iastate.edu

   Nobody's perfect. The first few digits are: 3.141592653589793238...
                                                       ^
At least as far as I can remember. 
It sounds like the actor misremembered the order of the digits.
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From: nshomron@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Noam Shomron)
Subject: Re: Doctor's Memory from the 2 Doctors
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:03:13 GMT

Sorry if you're tired of this thread, but it doesn't seem to me that the whole 
incident of "The Two Doctors" would have necessarily meant that the Doctor 
would have recognized Peri when he first saw her.  In my opinion, the Doctor 
could have met her, and later gone on to the 2 Doctors; when the 2nd Doctor 
meets Peri, that might presumably have changed events in his future, but we 
never get to see that version of events unfold, i.e., the Doctor meets Peri in 
a universe where the whole encounter _never happened_, and the episodes go on 
following that particular world line.  This seems more a more logical 
speculation than arguments concerning the Doctor's memory being erased, etc., 
because it avoids the possibility of a logical paradox.

-- Noam Shomron
From: bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:21:25 GMT

in article <14637@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) says:

> Oh, do open up your skull once in a while, Frank, and let some imagination
> in.  We're making analogies.  The issue is not whether time travel can
> be powered by bumblebees or BBC executives.  The issue is closed-mindedness,
> the stubborn belief that because current theory doesn't allow something to
> happen, that it'll never happen.

Let's not forget, the earth is flat
It's at the center of the universe.
The sun revolves around the earth.

Science is never wrong, is it?
--
Brian Millham     Kitty, Ferrah, Dr. Pepper, Fletch, and Buddy
AT&T Bell Labs     ^     ^ ferrets    ^,        ^  cats    ^
Denver, Co.       Dragon's Lair, Kick Man, Sinistar, New World, High Speed
bdm@druwa.att.com  ^ laser disc       ^ video ^        ^ pinball ^
From: sbp1@unix.brighton.ac.uk (purdy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: dimensia (dementia)(was re: A nineties form for the TARDIS)
Date: 20 Jul 92 15:44:35 GMT
Organization: Brighton Polytechnic, England

In article <1992Jul17.182729.17445@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next13pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <17JUL92.14989865.0050@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> TomCat <BOYD@UNB.CA>  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Jul16.182113.18052@wam.umd.edu>  
>mrmuon@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>> that the TARDIS must be
>> >
>> >Big enough for a door, but not so big as to be really obtrusive (as a
>> >pyramid).
>> >  =  about the same size it is.
>> 
>> (internal).  The TARDIS outside door need not be the same size as
>> the one that they go through to get in (PROOF: when the Doctor is
>> 
>>                              TomCat
>I KNOW THAT. But the Police box, column, iron maiden, and SIDRAT all had  
>doors TALL enough to walk through. I don't think the Doctor would be keen  
>on crawling in and out of the TARDIS. 
>Also, the police box is the same size as an undisguised capsule such as a  
>SIDRAT.
>
>                          - Eli Hawkins

Ah, but what about "The Time Meddler" - 1st Doctor. The meddling monk
was a TimeLord but you had to duck to get into his TARDIS - it was some
kind of tomb.

Sean
^^^^
<<< This space intentionally left blank.... >>>
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From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: "SHADA" Video
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:27:38 GMT

In article <jeffv.712208824@physics.ubc.ca> jeffv@physics.ubc.ca (Jeff Vavasour) writes:
>Minor question, what elements of The Dead Planet and/or Pirate Planet were
>carried over to Dirk Gently?  As I recall, the plot to Holistic Detective
>Agency closely paralleled "City of Death" (under the pseudonym David Agnew
>or something like that, which Douglas Adams cowrote with a person that whose
>name has slipped my mind, sorry).  

When I recalled the name of the episode, I was recalling from memory, so it
may very well have been the 'City of Death'...None the less the plots are
totally and shamelessly identical. Not just paralleled, but the underlying
superstructure of the story is just identical.

>I agree with the last comment on DGHDA though, however, IMHO, Long Dark Tea
>Time of Soul failed in comparison.  I'd like to think that it was Doctor Who
>that inspired such a good first Dirk Gently novel... :-)  

Mmmm...LDTTOS wasn't his best effort, but it was still VERY good.

>- Jeff

Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu

From: uhclem@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:02 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: lost episodes with Patrick Trou
Message-ID: <-403792@nemesis>
Nf-ID: #R:chaos.cs.brandeis.edu:711576535:nemesis:-403792:000:2203
Nf-From: nemesis.UUCP!uhclem    Jul 28 20:02:00 1992


<>
[0]better list:
...
[0]Tomb of the Cyberman     (4)  LOST    TROUGHTON    5    JMC Victoria

That entry is now out of date as the complete story was found earlier this
year and is available on home video.  Some of the other "lost" stories
are completely lost, with some episodes surviving.

For thr Troughton period, the following should be correct:
EE   The Power of the Daleks	E,Y	   D	6:4P	Vulcan
FF   The Highlanders		E,Y,JM	   -	4:N	Earth (Scotland)
GG   The Underwater Menace	E,Y,JM	   -	4:3	Earth
HH   The Moonbase		E,Y,JM	   C	4:2,4	Moon
JJ   The Macra Terror		E,Y,JM	   -	4:4P	Unnamed Planet
KK   The Faceless Ones		E,Y,JM	   -	6:1,3	Earth
LL   The Evil of the Daleks	JM,R	   D	7:2,7P	Earth

MM   The Tomb of the Cybermen	JM,R	   C	4:A	Telos
NN   The Abominable Snowmen	JM,R	   -	6:2	Earth
OO   The Ice Warriors		JM,R	   I	6:1,4-6	Earth
		(Videotape recording begins in 625 line Black & White)
PP   The Enemy of the World	JM,R	   -	6:3	Earth
QQ   The Web of Fear		JM,R	   -	6:1	Earth
RR   Fury From the Deep		JM,R	   -	6:1P	Earth
SS   The Wheel in Space		JM,R,Z	   C	6:3,6	Space Station W3 /
							The Wheel

TT   The Dominators		JM,Z	   -	5:A	Dulkis
UU   The Mind Robber		JM,Z	   -	5:A	Nowhere
VV   The Invasion		JM,Z,U	   C	8:2-3,5-8
							Earth
WW   The Krotons		JM,Z	   -	4:A	Unnamed Planet
XX   The Seeds of Death		JM,Z	   I	6:A	Earth / Moon
YY   The Space Pirates		JM,Z	   -	6:2	Unknown locations
ZZ   The War Games		JM,Z	   T   10:A	Unnamed Planet /
							Gallifrey

						^^^-This column is of interest

The first number is the count of episodes in that story.
The letter or numbers that follow the colon indicate whether the
story is intact or not, and if not, what parts do exists.
For example, 	8:2,7P	 means the story had 8 episodes, and now
only episode 2 and clips from episode 7 survive.  "A" means all parts exist.

This information is changing constantly, and there are several people who
try to keep up with the latest poop.

Frank Durda IV <uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org>|"That wasn't supposed to happen!"
...utacfd!nemesis!uhclem (nearest internet) | 
...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem	            |
...decvax!microsoft!trsvax!nemesis!uhclem   |Who said it and What Story?
From: falatic@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MacGyver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New (Old?) Question
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:49:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


	I seem to recall an episode (which, I don't know) from the Tom Baker 
years, in which he tells a companion that the ability to communicate in any
toungue (and it's convenient translation to Modern English!) was "the gift
of the Time Lords." Hmmm....

		-Marty "MacGyver"
			falatic@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: v059jck9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ronald S Russ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: re: the Doctor's First Regeneration
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have never gotten the chance to see the episode which has his first 
regeneration.  I'm just curious as to what the circumstances were surrounding
this.  Especially, since the characterization by Patrick Troughton is quite 
different than Hartnell's rendition.  Also, on the subject of Syl and Sophie, I
thought they did an adequate job in their roles and some of the stories were
allright.  I never look to the show for role models, so the fact that Ace makes
bombs doesen't really bother me.  Maybe they were going for that anarchist 
movement? To me it makes little difference.

Ron Russ
V059jck9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Survival plot synopsis
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.drhwo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:15:45 GMT


Sorry people, big problem with Part Three.  I had nearly finished
writing the thing when the telnet killed on me.  I cannot find a 
way to get that file back, so Part Three amy be permanantly
unavailable.
anyone out there know how to even access a file or get a directory
of files on this kind of system I'm telnetting to?

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From: taylor@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Lee Taylor-MSI Student)
Subject: Re: Two Doctors No-Prizes (*SPOILERS for 2Drs*)
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:43:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.032234.981@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>The First Doctor's use would have no continuity problems, since none
>of us know what exactly he was doing before "An Unearthly Child."

(NOTE: in order to avoid misspellings of actors/actresses names - I
don't have my Dr. Who collection of books and tapes with me right now -
I am omitting these names in what follows.) Well, the pre-"An Unearthly
Child" Susan would have to appear fairly young.  This is probably why a
post-"Dalek Invasion of Earth" Susan was used in T5D. Jamie, however
was pulled off fairly well in T2D. Anyhow, I think that they would have
had to pull some trick to explain an older Susan (it would've also been
neat to have gotten Ian and Barbara involved in the story).

Lee Taylor
taylor@math.cornell.edu
From: whitt@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Request for DWM #100 History of Gallifrey article
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:19:24 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

A few years back, there was a wonderful article in DWM -- #100, to
be exact -- on the history of Gallifrey or somesuch.  I think it
might've been 1986 or thereabouts.  Anyway, like a complete idiot,
I lent the issue to someone and never got it back.

Now I'm doing some research on references to Gallifrey and its
history for a possible book, and for some reason I can't find
a copy of DWM #100 ANYWHERE!

I was wondering if any helpful souls out there had a copy of the
article and could send one to me -- electronically if possible, but
I can reimburse for copying and postage if it needs to be done via
snailmail.  

For those going the snailmail route, the address is:
Tony Whitt
630 W. South St. #4
Kalamazoo, MI  USA  49007

Either way, please send a brief e-mail message to let me know it's
coming.  Thanks much!

Tony Whitt
whitt@gw.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University

"Does that mean a fat man gets fatter the faster he runs?"

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From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak)
Subject: Re: TIME LORD Game
Reply-To: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 17:03:33 GMT


In a previous article, esum@sol.UVic.CA (Edmund Sum) says:

>In article <92207.06075034ZBTXQ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> <34ZBTXQ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>> I'd be interested in knowing what some of you Whovians who are also gamers
>>think of the NEW Doctor Who RPG, TIME LORD. It's put out by the same folks
>>who do the Who paperbacks. Aside from the lack of a character creation system,
>>and no experience point system, it seems like a fun game! I'd especially be
>>interested in your opinion of it's accuracy to the series as compared to the
>>FASA game, and it's suitability as a vehicle for creating adventures in the
>>style of the series.
>
>I'm trying to find a copy of this game.  I have the FASA version and its
>game mechanics sucks.  There is a Games Workshop game with the same name
>(or is it the same game?)...  Anyways, Doctor Who Magazine reviewed this
>and is was favorable.  If anyone knows where I can mail order this, please
>email me.  I don't read this newsgroup often anymore.
>
>Ed Sum
>esum@sol.uvic.ca
>

I just got the game this past week, so I have had no time to play it. 
For those interestes the ISBN # is 0-426-20362-3. It costs #6.99 or 
$11.92 (American $ and British #).

-- 
---------------------------------------------------:-David J. Polak-:
'You kill ten guys one of them is bound to come    ----------------  
 back. He doesn't know how dead he is. He runs     ak515@cleveland. 
 after you and grabs your gun. You better wake up.'   freenet.edu  
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Excuses behind ToaTL (Re: Valeyard)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:36:34 GMT

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) wrote:
>You seem to be standing on a kind of shaky middle ground -- too enlightened
>as a fan to ignore the problems with the episode, but not enough in the
>know to understand why they're wrong.

Not at all. I drew my own appropriate conclusion when I watched it and I've
already posted my view. If you recall the original thread: "who is the
Valeyard" and the theories that ensued. That's my direction in this thread.
People are posting good guesses but that's all they are. Yes there are
plenty of excuses behind the story and that's fine.

Next time some PBS airs ToaTL someone will ask who the Valeyard is and the
net will be filled with these theories again. I will have no problem skipping
it the next time around (who knows what iteration we are on this time around).
It's all Dave's fault. He's been on the net long enough to know the Valeyard
discussion, but he posts it anyway: "trying something new..." -- NOT!

Surely common threads like Morbius are covered in the FAQ. If this isn't in
there, I think it is time it was. I shall have to look next time I see it.

yawn....Tom
From: keeper@deeptht.armory.com (Ron O'Dell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Season Openers 24-26
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:21:37 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1992Jul27.033444.1210@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>And by the way, is it just me, or am I the only person annoeyed by
>Lionheart's hacking of the computer animations of the TARDIS being
>blasted down?


A bit of every story is cut out in the movie formats -- why should one be
any more annoyed of that scene than of any others?

Write your station and tell them you'd rather see DW in episode format
(which isn't cut up, and doesn't have scene order shuffled).


(Well, isn't cut up except for Planet of the Daleks, of course.)
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: other questions
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:45:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Brr2pM.tx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v059jck9@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ronald S Russ) writes:
> On some other questions now, what
>ever happened to Jon Pertwee and what was the deal with the hour long stories
>in the Peter Davison era.  Thanks much

Jon Pertwee is alive and well, and was last sighted (Whoishly) playing the
Doctor in the "Ultimate Adventure" stage play in Britain a couple of years
back.  Rumor had it that he'd be willing to re-sign as the Doctor if the
new producers asked him.

As for the hour-long episodes, well, I'm not sure what you mean.  All the
Davison stories were made as collections of two or four half-hour episodes.
The two-part stories were edited together into hour-long "movie format"
stories for American broadcast, so maybe that's what you mean.  There were
three of these: "Black Orchid", "The King's Demons", and "The Awakening".

Also, one story, "Resurrection of the Daleks", was shown in Britain with
episodes 1 and 2 edited together, and episodes 3 and 4 also together,
because of scheduling problems.  Is this what you're referring to?

The only time that the show was actually made with hour-long episodes was
Season 22, when Colin Baker was the Doctor.  Because of the success of
"Resurrection", the producers decided to change the format of the show
from half-hour to hour episodes.  After a season of lackluster ratings,
the axe fell, and when the show returned it was as a half-hour once again.
The only stories actually made with these double-length episodes were
"Attack of the Cybermen", "Vengeance on Varos", "The Mark of the Rani",
"The Two Doctors," "Timelash", and "Revelation of the Daleks".

Hope that answers your question... whatever question you might have been
asking.  :-)
From: steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: It works!!!  It works!!!   and Survival update
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:29:00 GMT

Gordon Bennett it actually worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

			Yeah!

Right.  I'll reupdate you lot on my situation now.

Usually when I post to this group I use the account belonging to
one Iain Robert Asplin, and will still do so to reply to other
people's posts.

However, thanks to one terrific person, I now have found a server
that translates normal email over to the full group, so now I can
send from my own account, putting an end once and for all to 
telnet delays that marred my plot synopses.

To celebrate, I shall write up Part Three of the Survival synopsis
tonight, and post it via this new system.

So, once again, you will see Steven.K.Manfred@UWRF.EDU   AND  
Iain Robert Asplin on this group.  They are both me and I will
try to let you all know that every time I use the Virginia acct.

					Steve
From: TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" Video
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 13:35:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul25.142322.19132@news.iastate.edu>

>Well, as I understand it, the workers went on strike or something and they
>didn't have the manpower to show it. Yes, Addams is a great writer, but he
>carries his ideas around with him (the Time Machine in Cambridge, and the
>Chesterfield. The Dead Planet(?_)was *identical* to DGHDI. Oh, well. After
>I found out about this, I suddenly had a lower view of Addams, as you might
>expect.

Well, why shouldn't he? Shada was apparently a no-go, so he presumably felt
it was too good a story to go to waste.


TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com | "The more complex the mind, the greater the
(Shane Derek Killian)       | need for the simplicity of play." --Jim Kirk
                            | --------------------------------------------
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                            |                              --Mark McCollum