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From: thompson@titan.trl.OZ.AU (David Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: rules of golf test (previously read here)
Summary: Test on Rules of Golf
Keywords: Rules of golf
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:08:12 GMT
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia

I recently read a quiz(test) someone had displayed on this news area
on the RULES OF GOLF, has someone a copy or is the originator
still around. I would appreciate a copy of the test as we are having a
rules night at my club in the near future and I anticipate this will
sort the men from the boys ( or the golfers from the cheats), Can u help
me ? please post to me or put back on rec.sport.golf news and i'll
retrieve it.

Thanks in advance

Dave Thompson
Melbourne, Australia.

thompson@trl.oz.au


'Golf - a "gardeners"best friend'
=== If you can't mow it - dont plant it =====
From: David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Backspin Out Of Sand
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:42:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: tdkt.703086242.F00001

Like  a  lot of you, I'm watching the Masters as it unfolds.  I must
admit I am intrigued both when a pro hits a fantastic shot  OR  when
they hit a miserable one.

Ian  Woosnam seems to having a devil of a time with his driver today
(Saturday) as there was one shot of him DUCK HOOKING a ball into the
woods,  finding  the  ball under a clump of bushes, then walking all
the way back to the tee to start over.  Then, another  shot  of  him
asking  his caddy for a PROVISIONAL ball after another hook into the
woods.  Horrors!  Can these guys be human after all?

Anyway, I have a question:

How does one get BACKSPIN on a ball that is exploded out of  a  sand
trap?  You can see the pros do it, but HOW?  My understanding of the
basic sand trap explosion shot is the old "hit two inches behind the
ball  and  let the sand push the ball out".  This means the clubface
grooves never touch the ball to impart backspin.  What am I  missing
here????



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From: brevik@herb-ox.berkeley.edu (John Brevik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Backspin Out Of Sand
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:32:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.skh7uINN6ij
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: herb-ox.berkeley.edu

In article <703347357.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:
>It  makes  sense  now (check all your golf balls for burn marks from
>now on after a sand shot). <SMILE>

Honestly!  At least if you're a balata-masochist like myself...  I get a
nice "cart-path burn"-type rash on the ball when I hit a sand shot.




-- 
John Brevik				| "Crack is ruining the drug culture."
Dept. Of Mathematics			|        --Hunter S Thompson
UC Berkeley				| 		
brevik@math.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: cabler@dvorak.amd.com (C. Dru Cabler)
Subject: New golfer needs clubs
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:54:56 GMT

Well I think that I'm finally going to do it.  I've had several friends
bug me for several years to learn to play golf and now I've decided to
give it a shot and sign up for lessons.

The question I have now is about clubs.  When I subscribed to this group
there were a few Re:'s concerning beginners clubs, but it appeared that
the thread was over with.  I know *nothing* about clubs, so where do I
start?  Do I buy a set of beginner clubs by Northwestern as was suggested
by one posting?  Do I check out some of the re-sale and consignment shops
and hope I can find a salesman to help me get a decent set of clubs?  Do 
I bug my friends endlessly to help me find a set?  

As in other groups, I'm sure this subject comes up again and again here,
so if somebody has a FAQ to send me, or if the original poster or any 
helpful enthusiast can help me, please respond by email (no need to waste
the bandwidth on an already beaten subject).

Thanks for the help

Dru Cabler
cabler@dvorak.amd.com
From: griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:18:11 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <mvij.703174905@unix2.tcd.ie> mvij@unix2.tcd.ie (madhav vij) writes:

>In <griffinb.703163520@unix1.tcd.ie> griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:

>>Great win by Couples at Augusta yesterday. I was actually hoping he
>>would miss the par putt on 17 to make the climax more exciting, but it
>>just goes to show what a great temperament the man has now got.

>>Ray Floyd was unlucky not to win- several of his putts shaved the hole.
>>But his performance contradicts anyone who says you start to go downhill
>>when you reach forty (in golfing terms). 

>>When is Pebble Beach? What are Fred's chances?

>I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
>comes along !
>   I feel that an American will win the Open , perhaps a retention by Payne
>   Stewart or maybe Calcavekkia (sp?) ,Pavin , Davis Love .
>     I do hope that Raymond Floyd can win , although i doubt it .

>Floyd lost the Masters , Couples just  played par golf .
>I don't know how he missed the putts on 11 , 12 and 13 .
>Had his eagle gone in on the 15th , it might have been a different story .

>All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
>player has to go cold sometime !! 


What lucky streak are you talking about, Madhav? Are you saying that
Floyd's birdie on 14 was'nt lucky and he intended it to clatter into the
hole? Couples played solid, good quality golf throughout the Masters and
could well go on to win many more majors. He may be on a hot streak but
that does'nt mean he's on a lucky streak!

It seems pretty obvious that an American will win the US Open because
the Europeans have done crap. I think the US Open is probably the
hardest major to win and, like any US Open course Pebble Beach is tough.
Which reminds me of the piece of "luck" Tom Watson had there!

Brendan.
From: thompson@cvl.umd.edu (Scott Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:12:31 GMT
Reply-To: thompson@cvl.umd.edu (Scott Thompson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.

In article <1992Apr13.180037.28428@b11.ingr.com> ross@kaos.b23b.ingr.com writes:
>>>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
>>
>>Should we?
>>Naw, it would be too easy.
>>Joe
>>
>I agree.  Not even worth a single keystroke.  I mean, there has got to
>be SOME kind of challenge.  Kind of like making a hole-in-one on every
>hole.  You would instantly give up the game.  Something like this doesn't
>even warrant a practice swing.

You guys are doing precisely what the orignal sender wanted.

Why can't posting like this simply be ignored instead of making comments
that advise us not to make comments???  

I'd have long since forgotten about it if it weren't for those who
still feel it necessary to remind us to forget about it.
From: griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Well done Fred
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:12:00 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

Great win by Couples at Augusta yesterday. I was actually hoping he
would miss the par putt on 17 to make the climax more exciting, but it
just goes to show what a great temperament the man has now got.

Ray Floyd was unlucky not to win- several of his putts shaved the hole.
But his performance contradicts anyone who says you start to go downhill
when you reach forty (in golfing terms). I still believe Nicklaus can
win another major and I know that people have done well in majors who
were a lot older than him at the time.

When is Pebble Beach? What are Fred's chances?

Brendan.
From: lanceo@cs.utexas.edu (L. Lance Obermeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: the secret is out
Date: 17 Apr 1992 13:04:09 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr17.011833.14507@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> pistol@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C Tortorici) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>Personally, I think that it would take all the fun out of the
>game say if you designed a ball that would fly 250+ with a 7 iron
>that was guaranteed to hit sweet every time no matter how you
>hit the ball.
[remaining stuff deleted]

WHAT??  A 250 yard 7 iron certainly would take most of the fun out
of the game, but isn't that stretching things a bit.

IMHO, the difference between Northwesterns and Pings, while certainly
there, is not orders of magnitude.  A golfer who spends his money
on lessons rather than Pings will probably outperform a golfer who
spends his money on Pings rather than lessons.  Skill is the limiting
factor, not equipment.  At some point, a crappy swing just wont score
any better, regardless of the equipment.  I guess Amdahl's Law
applies to golf too!!

Lance
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
From: zureick@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John H. Zureick)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 16:59:18 GMT
Distribution: usa 
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <17290020@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:
>   Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
>   practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
>   practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
>   rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
>   week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
>   found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
>   greatful if they would share it.

A couple of points.  One: if you are hitting off of astroturf mats at
the driving range you cannot tell whether you are hitting the ball
good or not.  In fact, I would say hitting off those mats are just
as bad as not practicing at all if you regularly shoot under 90.

Second: At the driving range work on a preshot routine that you will
use on the course.  In other words don't just bang out ball after
ball.  Get behind the ball, look at your target, get into an address
positon, and then hit the ball.  Establishing this routine will 
help you become more consistent and also help your alignment.

-- 
John H. Zureick					zureick@ucunix.san.uc.edu
From: dlw@sdimax2.mitre.org (Weissman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Recommendations for Myrtle Beach
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:40:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr17.134024.8693
Organization: The Mitre Corp. Bedford, Mass.
Originator: dlw@sdimax2

I know this has probably been discussed in the past, but...

If anyone has any information on golfing in and around
Mrytle Beach, I'd be interested in hearing from you.  I'd
love to get some course recommendations, hopefully
indluding location and tee time info.

Also, any other info on the area (restaurants, beaches,
etc.) would be great.

I just found out that I'll have use of a condo just
south of Myrtle Beach the week of Memorial Day and would
like to do as much planning ahead as possible.

I'll summarize and post any info I receive if people
would like to see it.

Thanks in advance,

-Dan (dlw@mitre.org)
From: urbick@ucscb.ucsc.edu (99506000)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Masters odds.
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:18:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32433
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


According to Labroke's of Britain.

Couples   	8:1
Olazabal	9:1
Faldo	       10:1
Ballesteros    12:1
Stewart        16:1
Norman         16:1
Baker-Finch    20:1
Woosnam        22:1
Watson         25:1
From: cj@al@cypress.uucp (Chris Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: The 'MAJORS'
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:59:14 GMT
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
In-reply-to: libbyb@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com's message of 2 Apr 92 23:44:29 GMT

The PGA grand slam consists of the following:

The Masters played at Augusta in April when the azaleas and dogwoods are blooming.
The U.S. Open, which is in June and ends on Father's Day.
The British Open, which is in July.
The PGA Championship, which is in August.


In article <32060002@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> libbyb@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Libby Bagley) writes:
Path: cypress!daver!UB.com!pacbell.com!mips!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpcc05!hpdmd48!libbyb
   From: libbyb@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Libby Bagley)
   Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
   Date: 2 Apr 92 23:44:29 GMT
   References: <1992Mar25.120121.1@qis.dofasco.ca>
   Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
   Lines: 7



   Now that we know what the PGA gland slam consists of,
   does anyone know what the LPGA gland slam consists of?
   Isn't the Dinah Shore one of the majors?

   Libby Bagley
--
Chris Jones, Design Manager
Cypress Southeast Design Center, Starkville, Mississippi
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                                       Fax:(601)324-4614
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: tjd28@cas.org (;A/3G)
Subject: Re: Masters
Organization: The Anonymous Hackers of America
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:15:04 GMT

>And last but not least the "miracle shot" at 12 was close to disaster (If the shot at gone into Rae's Creek, he probably hade made an eagle and some birdies on the remaining holes and still be the master.????......)
>
>Anyway, this leads me to the rule question:
>
>Just after Fred had chipped in the 2nd on 12 he found a ball in the water which he chipped on to the bank to test whether it roled into the water or not. The commentator on the channel  I was watching questioned whether this was legal or not. However, he didn't gave any answer to it. So:
>
>       Did Fred anything wrong at the 12 and what is the rule?
>
>
>Odd Ivar Lindland
>NTH, University of Trondheim
>NORWAY


I think the miracle on 12 was that the ball didn't go in the water!  The
announcers made a bigger fuss about how difficult the second shot was going
to be, but, come on, that was about as easy a chip as Freddie had all day.
I'd rather have pitched from the side of that hill, than I would form the back
of the green where he'd have to pitch from a downhill lie.  From the side of
the creek, all Fred had to do was pop the ball up, which is very easy of an
uphill lie like he had.  I practice that shot in my fionce's yard all the time
as she has an uphill almost identical in slope to the 12th and I find that
chips from the hill usually are my best ones.

Don't take this wrong, I still think Freddie is the best in the world, I
just think he had a lot of tougher shots than the 12th hole provided him with.

Just a thought,
		 Trav
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: nyberg@ms.uky.edu (Jack Nyberg)
Subject: PING...AH BATTA BING...
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:43:28 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

   I never cared for PINGS, not for the playability reasons but for
aesthetic ones...THEY JUST DON'T LOOK RIGHT.  

   Anyway it seems that the only people who play PINGS are either
older guys who think that the clubs will be a magic talisman that
will instantly improve their games or rich Japanese who have nothing 
better to do with their yen than to buy a nice set of PINGS with
graphite shafts.

   I have always been told, "It's a poor craftsman who blames his
tools."  And I think that this applies to golf.  You don't buy
a better game.  You get a better game by practicing!  A good player
could play with a set of "beginner (ahem) Northwesterns" and dust 
the weekend player with his $2000.00 set.  It's the player--not the 
clubs.
From: TKSGJVV@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Daytona Beach Golf Courses
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:00:44 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

My son is graduating from ERAU next week in Daytona Beach, Fl.
Anybody have golf course recommendations in the $20 to $50
range for Daytona Beach, Fl.
From: NGRSTW@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (George Stancil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Misc. clubs for sale
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:10:35 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

Cleveland Classic Driver, Tour Edition, persimmon head, True Temper
Dynamic Gold s300 shaft, excellent conditons, $100.00
 
Toney Penna 7 wood, persimmon head, True Temper Dynamic Gold r300 shaft,
excellent conditions, $60.00
Reply to NGRSTW@NCSUVM.BITNET
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: pistol@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C Tortorici)
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:31:05 GMT

In article <NEAL.92Apr13114745@eos-airsea.atmos.washington.edu> neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.122056@kristyna.Prime.COM> dks@kristyna.Prime.COM (Dave Snay) writes:
>
>
>>   Is it me, or should Fred Couples and Craig Parry have been encouraged
>>   to speed up thier play? When they were playing 16, Ray Floyd was finishing
>>  18. For a twosome to take over 2 hours to play 9 holes is just amazing.

Well, if I was playing for $270,000 and a green jacket, I probably
would have taken my time too.

BTW, Parry was playing poorly on the back nine, and I think this
slowed them up a bit.

Pete

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: panu@sol.acs.unt.edu (Sittiwong Panu)
Subject: Re: Shaft stiffness, Swingweight explanation?
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:07:26 GMT

foley@helix.nih.gov (Charles K. Foley) writes:

>I would like to learn about the various ratings of shaft stiffness and
>of club swing weight.  What do the stiffness ratings of S300 and R300
>really mean, and how do they relate to some manufacturers ratings of
>Stiff and Regular.  For swing weight, what do the various ratings mean?

>I would appreciate it if someone could point me to a reference or 
>explain these measures directly.

According to Golfworks Catalog the two flex ratings can be compared
as follows:
               X500         Strong X
               X400         Firm X
        S500   X300         Standard X, Strong S
        S400   X200         Soft X, Firm S
        S300   X100         Weak X, Standard S, Strong R
 R500   S200                Soft S, Firm R
 R400   S100                Weak S, Standard R
 R300                       Standard R to Soft R
 R200                       Soft R
 R100                       Weak R

>Thanks,
>--
>Charles K. Foley, Ph.D.
>Cray Research, Inc.
>P.O. Box 12746
>Research Triangle Park, NC 27709			ckf@f16.cray.com

Panu Sittiwong
Academic Computing Services
Univ. of North Texas
Denton, TX 76203                                        Panu@sol.acs.unt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: six drivers; can anyone beat that?
Keywords: You bet!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:33:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>>
>> BTW, I own six drivers, can anyone beat that? 
>>
How about the SAME driver for the past 10 years, same shaft too!
And I can still rip it past 280 yds.

Good putting (it's the only thing that counts!)
Mark
--
Mark Koenig, Optimization Specialist
CONVEX Computer Corporation         koenig@convex.com
P.O. Box 833851  M.S. SAL           Phone: (214) 497-4298
Richardson, Texas  75083-3851       FAX:   (214) 497-4550
Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:13:56 -0400 
From: Lee Edward Daza <ld2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PING...AH BATTA BING...

	 <  I never cared for PINGS, not for the playability reasons but for
aesthetic ones...THEY JUST DON'T LOOK RIGHT.  >

	Well, I agree with you there. But while I don't like the looks
(especially the new ones, Eye 2+), I think there's a lot in them for
today's golfer. They don't transmit anywhere near the amount of "feel"
you get when you hit with say, forged clubs, but that's probably good
for many of today's golfing population, because many wouldn't know what
they were feeling indicated anyway.
	While you don't (realistically) lower your score by getting good clubs,
you might limit yourself from progressing once you become a very good
player if you don't have clubs that match YOU. I don't know of any
Sports Authority bought clubs that are custom fit to your height, build
and swing plane. 
	While the "weekender" you speak of does not apply ( he probably doesn't
benefit at all from Pings), there is a point where a better club will
ALLOW you lower your handicap.

								Lee.
From: oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Masters and a rule question
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:02:31 GMT
Reply-To: oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland)
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology

Congratulations to Fred Couples and USA!! The Masters was a great disappointment for us from Europe and especially Seve and Olazabal were playing way off their capability. Too me it seems that several lack the mental maturity which it takes to win the masters. Craig Parrys disastourous putting on the final day despite splendid iron-shots (not the 18th) and  Woosnams tragedy at the 4th and 5th on the third round. Still, some interesting observations are to be made:

1. Sandy Lyle is back almost in contention in a major and that is great.

2. Greg Norman is back were he belongs - among the world greatest golfers.

Furthermore, I think that the great climax of the tournament was lacking although several highlights can be mentioned (hole-in-ones, hold bunker-shots, Floyds' chip on 14, Freddies almost eagle two on 7, etc.). Nobody wasn't actual threatening Fred and the finale wasn't as great as we have seen the last years. Eventhough nobody was really challenging him, he made brave attempts to ruin the masters himself:

1. Drive in the bunker on 18

2. Extreme hooks at 15 (especially the 2nd shot was pretty couragous)

And last but not least the "miracle shot" at 12 was close to disaster (If the shot at gone into Rae's Creek, he probably hade made an eagle and some birdies on the remaining holes and still be the master.????......)

Anyway, this leads me to the rule question:

Just after Fred had chipped in the 2nd on 12 he found a ball in the water which he chipped on to the bank to test whether it roled into the water or not. The commentator on the channel  I was watching questioned whether this was legal or not. However, he didn't gave any answer to it. So:

	Did Fred anything wrong at the 12 and what is the rule?


Odd Ivar Lindland
NTH, University of Trondheim
NORWAY
From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:53:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: What to do? Was-Sick to death of slow play
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.