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From: Jim Edwards <jims@fermi.atmos.colostate.edu>
Subject: Re:  Go Ask Alice
Reply-To: jims@fermi.atmos.colostate.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:23:56 GMT


| In the Jefferson Airplane song White Rabbit, the phrase "Go Ask Alice" keeps > popping up.  Does anyone know what this is alluding to?  Alice in Wonderland?  > Alice Kramden?

Alice was almost constantly nibbling on, or drinking something which 
caused great changes in her physical size.  At one point in the
story she meets a catapiller sitting on a mushroom toking a hookah.
After some metaphysical discussion with the catapiller Alice reaches
around as far as she can to both sides of the mushroom and tears a bit off.
She carries these pieces of mushroom around for the remainder of the
story, one in each hand, and nibbles either one or the other according
to whether she wishes to be taller or smaller.  

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From: an4929@anon.penet.fi (gonzo)
Subject:      Rumour mill
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.music.gdead
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:07:21 GMT

>From: ANDREJKOW@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
>Subject: Hot Rumour
>Date: 11 Jan 93 20:15:44 GMT
>
>
>       The latest hot rumour has garcia and hunter working on a sequel to
>terrapin station inspired by the "Curious George" books.  according to inside
>sources, garcia has finished the basic tracks derived from "lady with a fan"
>using a working title of "The Man with the Yellow Hat".  Using new MIDI 
>technology, garcia will be able to manipulate holographic images of George
>and The Man while playing on stage.  The inside source also hinted at a
>possible stealth tour of select elementary schools in the 3rd world, with
>jamaica already booked.



I thought that Robert Hunter had already composed a "sequel" to Terrapin,
called "Ivory Wheels."  It's on one of his solo albums.

Also, any rumours about a Hampton show in Spring Tour?  Anyone?


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From: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Subject: Height deficiency...
Reply-To: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:26:46 GMT

        Having been so well tutored in political correctness from the
ever amusing r.m.gd, I must point out that height deficiency is _not_
politically correct, nor is (gasp) short.  I believe the correct expression
is 'Vertically Challanged'.  ODC: I hope they will produce Dead Skis in
sizes other than 190s.
Joe Lone Wolf Gladstone>  <GLADSTONE@CSMCMVAX.BITNET>
From: lb04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Laura Bassi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: MISC.musings
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:17:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

hi dee ho people,
  well, I am back in outta the holly-daze
  just found out Last Night! about the spring tour dates! (been sick...and
  thanks jake!)
  Luckily, the M.O. date for the shows (including my b-day..YEA!) i can get to
  isn't until the 11th!
  :):):)

  So, what's this about the Dreadful Grapes?  I once heard of the Dreadful
  _Gate_ as a kind spoof (in name only, I thought) on the boyz?
  Ya know, kinda like Loose Bedspring for Bruce Springsteen....  ;)

  Also, if anyone out there saved the lyrics to "O Come All Ye Deadheads" or
  whatever it was, could you PLEASE email them to my acct.?  I forgot to save
  them, and now someone I know would like to see them...so thanks in advance
  on that one

  I can't be sure, but did any of you see Cape Fear (the new one) and when the
  actress who's Nolte's kid is in her room there is some kind of
  poster..possibly Dead, definitely SanFran Psychedelic...couldn't make it
  out...anyone catch it?

  well, pass the pppppppps the 93
  all the best to all of you
  laura
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From: begonias@wam.umd.edu (Jeremy Ritzer)
Subject: Recent net hostility (or whatever you wish to call it)....
Keywords: A fictional, yet relevant, response....
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:32:45 GMT

n the sphere of "art imitating life" I offer this fictional
notion of electronic interaction, the problems that arise from
it, and one possible futuristic response to those problems.  I
thought that this was relevant to the recent discussions on
r.m.gd about flaming, politeness, etc.  Take from this what you
find appropriate..........
 
****************************************************************
[excerpt from "Earth", David Brin, Bantam Books: New York, 1990,
     pg. 289]
 
"Dear Net-Mail User [EweR-635-78-2267-3 aSp]:
     Your mailbox has just been rifled by EmilyPost, an
autonomous courtesy-worm chain program released in October 2036
by an anonymous group of net subscribers in Western Alaska. 
Under the civil disobedience sections of the Charter of Rio, we
accept in advance the fines and penalties that will come due when
our confession is released in 2046.  However, we feel that's a
small price to pay for the message brought to you by EmilyPost.
     In brief, dear friend, you are not a very polite person. 
EmilyPost's syntax analysis subroutines show that a very high
fraction of your net exchanges are heated, vituperative, even
obscene.
     Of course you enjoy free speech.  But, EmilyPost has been
designed by people who are concerned about the recent trend
toward excessive nastiness in some parts of the net.  EmilyPost
homes in on folks like you and begins by asking them to please
consider the advantages of politeness.
     For one things, your credibility ratings would rise. 
(EmilyPost has checked your favorite bulletin boards, and finds
your ratings aren't high at all.  Nobody is listening to you,
sir!)  Moreover, consider that courtesy can foster calm reason,
turning shrill antagonism into useful debate and even consensus.
     We suggest introducing an automatic delay to your mail
system.  Communications are so fast these days, people seldom
stop and think.  Some net users act like mental patients who
shout out anything that comes to mind, rather than as functioning
citizens with the human gift of tact.
     ...Of course, should you insist on continuing as before,
disseminating nastiness in all directions, we have equipped
EmilyPost with other options you'll soon find out about..."
****************************************************************
 
     Just something to think about.......
 
     :) jeremy
 
     p.s. a very interesting book, by the way.....


-- 
Popular culture is the art of making do with what the system provides!
                 Jeremy Ritzer          begonias@wam.umd.edu
                
               
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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Mail order instructions
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - New Jersey Div.
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:14:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.212100.17239@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.195231.13174@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> reb@ingres.com writes:
>
>>|Grateful Dead Ticket Sales--Spring Tour Pt. II
>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>|Name of City--Number of Tickets
>>|Box C-S 8190
>>|San Rafael, CA 94912
>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Does   the hotline actually   say that you  have  to write  this?   It
>>*usually* says "Send your order to Grateful Dead Ticket-Sales dash and
>>the name of the concert you are ordering for."
>
>thats what i thought it said. I guess they want to sort between pts I and II
>before sorting by city. Who knows?

I don't buy it, I think seperate mail-in dates, seperate PO boxes, and
different cities are enough for GDTS to distinguish between part I and
Part II.
		reb

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From: akr@sei.cmu.edu (Astrid Rapp)
Subject: What's with all these bad vibes???
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:03:19 EST

Hey Everyone out there...

What's the deal??  When I got back on the net at the beginning of year, there
were the last strings of an arguement over a seed and who would administer the
tree.  I'm not argueing over who was right and who was wrong because I don't
know the details and to tell the truth I don't want to.  I just think that the
public announcement was unneccesary.  

Now I log on today and this comes up(I took the blank lines out)
Group: rec.music.gdead             Msg # 75530 out of 75760      Lines: 22   
06-Jan-93 12:37	__name deleted unneccesary__________	Re: A Public Apology
In article _________name deleted unneccesary________writes:
	   Sorry, ___, and Sorry, Net, I'll try and keep these bozos straight
   from now on...
I have a better idea, _______:
Next time you feel like flaming someone publicly, instead of showing all
of us lucky people on the net how incredibly mean and acerbic, yet
eloquent you can be, why not stick _your_ head up _your_ butt.  I doubt
anyone here is interested in your bitter rantings.  (I doubt they're
interested in mine, either, but generally, I try not to say anything if
I have nothing nice to say.  Granted, I've made an exception especially
for you!)
If this place is so shitty, why do you bother to come here?

What's the deal with the bad vibes????  Didn't your mother ever tell you  "If
you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"??  or Treat
others the way you want to be treated??  I personaaly think the above
behavior is ridiculous!!  Maybe I'm just a clueless college student but I
thought people on r.m.gd knew what RESPECT meant.  

I guess that's it.  Just my $.02.  Flame on if neccesary.

Peace.
Astrid
akr@sei.cmu.edu
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From: meyer@netcom.com (Peter Meyer)
Subject: Re: silly condom joke
Keywords: condoms, silly jokes, the true meaning of life...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:49:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.204939.25973@nosc.mil> healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy) writes:
>In article <27477@sybase.sybase.com> pious@shakti.sybase.com (me) writes:
>
>	stuff deleted
>>
>>ODC: in reference to recent remarks about overcrowding at Oakland
>>Coliseum shows...i've noticed that for the last year or so people
>>have been getting increasingly territorial about saving seats for
>>their friends, who then show up at the last minute. i remember at
>>the pre-NYE shows last year there were people scarfing up whole
>>rows of seats [or damn near], and putting articles of clothing on
>>them to 'reserve' them for friends. i can see saving a seat or
>>two for someone who's just slipped out to use the bathroom or 
>>grab a coke, but i dunno about this business of annexing entire
>>neighborhoods for your personal party.
>>
>
>I've gotten pretty disgusted with this practice and the associated line cutting at 
>amusement parks around here too (e.g. Disneyland, Santa's Village). My wife and 
>daughter waited in line for Santa for over an hour without advancing at all, while I
>saw many people riding other rides and then cutting into the front of the line. They
>finally got to see the man after waiting almost 2 hours. 

You should have just beat the fucking shit out of the assholes who cut in
line.  Or are you not man enough?   I'll bet you just sat there and took
it while your wife and daughter just became more and more disgusted with
your inaction.
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From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: Go Ask Alice
Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:56:22 GMT

> = m1del01@fed.frb.gov (David E. Lebow) writes:
> In the Jefferson Airplane song White Rabbit, the phrase "Go Ask Alice" keeps popping up.  Does anyone know what this is alluding to?  Alice in Wonderland?  Alice Kramden?

"Go Ask Alice" is/was a book & movie about going to hell in a bucket
do to evil drug use.  No doubt an accurate portrayal of a real-life Alice.

-Brian
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: A Better Idea
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:45:25 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1993Jan07.230354.21315@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> chuck@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) writes:
> MANY times I've seen WARFIE thrash someone. 

	Well, they deserved it.

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: I'm a Hog for that seat baby
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:50:15 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1993Jan04.212340.11295@news.mentorg.com> sbiederman@slipknot.mentorg.com (Steve Biederman) writes:
>One thing I've thought might work for New Year's (where the competition for
>seats is absolutely BEYOND BELIEF; [...] Comments?

	After NYE last year I promised myself that the next time I went
to a GA show and _all_ the seats were already "occupied" by the time I went
in I'd just pick one out and sit in it, and deal with any bad vibes as
they do or do not result.  I've spent one too many shows squished on the 
floor while the stands were empty save for shoes, hats, scarves, and sweat-
shirts.

	Oakland: where they tape the seats instead of the music...
From: cdpst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Christophe D Piccolo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: BG TRIBUTE, JAN. 25 w/Jerry, Carlos, and more....
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:50:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <6JAN199310400445@csa1.lbl.gov> hudson@csa1.lbl.gov (ERIC HUDSON) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.122615.2376@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes...
>>  Dan Aykroyd, John Fogarty, Jerry Garcia, Huey Lewis, Carlos Santana,
>>and Grace Slick are part of American Music Awards' tribute to Bill Graham,
>>who died in a 1991 helicopter crash. The show is Jan. 25...."
>
>It's a good thing Jerry has perfected that astral projection stuff, since
>he is playing with the boyz in Oakland the same date...
>Seriously, though, the AMA show may be TAPED before its broadcast on Jan. 25.
>Anyone know venue/date for the performances?
>ERIC HUDSON			"Tomorrow Never Knows"

I seem to recall previous AMA shows that cut away for live performances
by artists not in attendance.  The night the Stones were in Pittsburgh
on the Steel Wheels tour, i think this was the case.  

Now im kinda worried.  Lets just suppose, since they boys are honoring Bill,
they pull out a Sugar Magnolia, and it gets aired worldwide.  I dunno, but
i think if i ever wanted to convince a large part of the world that a dead
show is one hell of a good time, i'd use a smokin sugar mags to do it...

Damn glad i mail ordered for spring,
Chris



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From: tom@miki.pictel.com (Tom Morrison)
Subject: A Brick Falls from THE Wall..
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:57:50 GMT

Hi Gang, I made a mistake in assigning a person 
to a branch leader and he apparently doesn't have
email access to begin with....I humble appologize
to all....hey I am human!

This person's name is:  Brian Cameron.
His Parent is:  John Lipinski
His Leaves are:
  
	kent hobson  KENT@CADLAB
	John Berger jberger@Novell.COM 

I am trying to get alternative paths for 
his leaves, and if Brian is reading the
net, he should CALL JOHN LIPINSKI ASAP...or 
John will Call you.....soon hopefully!

sorry for the inconvience....


tom

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From: eris@tc.fluke.COM (Chris Beckmeyer)
Subject: Re: Go Ask Alice
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:19:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.210254.21083@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (BoBolicious) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.195622.7860@ncar.ucar.edu> kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman) writes:
>>> = m1del01@fed.frb.gov (David E. Lebow) writes:
>>> In the Jefferson Airplane song White Rabbit, the phrase "Go Ask Alice" keeps popping up.  Does anyone know what this is alluding to?  Alice in Wonderland?  Alice Kramden?
>
>>"Go Ask Alice" is/was a book & movie about going to hell in a bucket
>>do to evil drug use.  No doubt an accurate portrayal of a real-life Alice.
>
>Except the JA tune came out *before* the book.  And, well, accurate...maybe.
>Parts of it sure feel like propaganda to me.
>
>cheers,
>bobo              In seeking the unattainable,

have any of you read *through the looking glass*?

if lewis carroll were alive today, i suspect he'd be one of us. :-)

chris
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From: sowa@netcom.com (Erik Sowa)
Subject: Re: Dead Journal
Organization: Wahoo 5
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:35:16 GMT

>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Wagner <mjwagner@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> writes:

Mike> It is a hardback Grateful Dead daily journal called 
Mike> _Sunshine Daydreams_.  It is like a normal journal/calendar, but has some of
Mike> the greatest pictures of the boys I have every seen.  I picked it up 
Mike> immediatly and was prepared to pay much more than the price of $7 on the
Mike> ticket, but was suprised to find it 1/2 off!!  It was only $3!!!

I got a similar deal last year at this time. The bookstore obviously
thinks it's a calendar that becomes obsolete. Well, the neat thing is
that it is not year-specific; i.e., the dates are not correlated with
the days. You can use it any year, or many years! Shhh, don't tell. :-)

-- 
Erik Sowa (sowa@netcom.com)
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From: ashton@stolaf.edu
Subject: More on Leary
Reply-To: ashton@stolaf.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:04:33 GMT

BTW & FYI:  Leary was a very good psychologist before the acid stuff (in
fact, I believe that's why the CIA chose him to experiment on LSD).  One of
his theories, on personality type and friend/intimate partner choice, is
still used today!

                bill-the-psychologist



|:-) ;-) :-< :-> >:-) :-o >:-o :-( >:-( :-[ :-{ :-/ :-\ :-) }:-( :-{) :-) 
 William A.Ashton, Ph.D.,	Department of Psychology, St Olaf College
 	 ASHTON@STOLAF.EDU; (507) 646-3169; Fax (507) 646-3523
  	Box 1531, St Olaf College, Northfield, Mn 55057  
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 	       	             Coincidence?  I think not!
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From: hoffman@Apple.COM (Al Hoffman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Poor boys
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:28:51 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:

>In article <1993Jan11.182154.4003@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com writes:
>>
>>Los Angeles give me Norfolk, Virginia, Tidewater 4-10-0-9
>>
...
>I just called 844-1009 and it's "currently being checked for trouble."
>--scott

Didn't intend to start up a phoning thing, (although I was curious)....
One person stated this is the number for the county jail, perhaps that's
the kind of "trouble" being referred to.

--al

-- 

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From: meyer@netcom.com (Peter Meyer)
Subject: Re: People Hogging Seats at Shows (WAS Re: silly condom joke)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:55:24 GMT

In article <C01oxD.7Ix@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.204939.25973@nosc.mil>, "Mike Healy" writes:
>>In article <27477@sybase.sybase.com> pious@shakti.sybase.com (me) writes:
>>>
>>>ODC: in reference to recent remarks about overcrowding at Oakland
>>>Coliseum shows...i've noticed that for the last year or so people
>>>have been getting increasingly territorial about saving seats for
>>>their friends, who then show up at the last minute. i remember at
>>>the pre-NYE shows last year there were people scarfing up whole
>>>rows of seats [or damn near], and putting articles of clothing on
>>>them to 'reserve' them for friends. i can see saving a seat or
>>>two for someone who's just slipped out to use the bathroom or 
>>>grab a coke, but i dunno about this business of annexing entire
>>>neighborhoods for your personal party.
>
>>I've gotten pretty disgusted with this practice and the associated line cuttin 
>>amusement parks around here too (e.g. Disneyland, Santa's Village). My wife an 
>>daughter waited in line for Santa for over an hour without advancing at all, 
>>saw many people riding other rides and then cutting into the front of the
>>finally got to see the man after waiting almost 2 hours. 
>
>I was one of the people who started this thread during the recent Oakland 
>shows.  However, some woman flamed us and referred to us as "the whiners".
>(To you, my dear, a heartfelt "Fuck you!"  It's my $50, I can "whine" if I 
>want...)
>
>Remember, at a Dead show, everybody has the right to reserve 20 seats for 
>"friends" who may or may not show up, and it's not polite to confront 
>anyone over it (no time to hate, right?  Barf...).  But it's also not cool to 
>get irritated.  Go with the flow, man (NOT!).   Go to most any other concert,
>like MetallicA, try to save 20 seats, and get your ass kicked.  

And rightly so.  People who hog seats deserve to get the living shit 
kicked out of them.  Would do them nothing but a world of good.

>Maybe it's about time people started acting like they were at any other show, 
>and learn to conform to basic rules and coexist without being so damn greedy
>(especially when it's greedy under the guise of hippie "peace and love, man").

Which is what makes it especially disgusting.  If people begin to learn
that not all Deadheads are peaceful wimps, them maybe they will stop
treating others like dogshit.

There is nothing I enjoy more than punching out some dirtbag asshole
who comes up to me and goes "Peace, Man" like we are still in the 60s.

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From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: 1/26/93 Chinese New Year ticket grovel
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:27:15 GMT


anudder one...

Mark is in Dire need of one or two for CNY.
(yes, need, as someone is holding his refrigerator
hostage for the tix, just kidding)

anyway, you can call him at 415-747-0794 and be subject
to many, many thanks

over and out,
Bill
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From: jawalsh@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (John A. Walsh)
Subject: 12/12 and 12/13 trees confusion
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:48:48 GMT

When people started talking about trees for the Oakland shows, I seem to
remember someone stating that they would be running one tree for both
the 12/12 and 12/13 shows.  Is this still the case?  I've seen (I think)
seperate announcements for each show, but I was waiting for the "combo"
tree since I want both shows--less hassle.  But if plans have changed
I'll hop onto the other trees.  Thanks to any and all who reply to this
query.

John
-- 
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From: kflynn@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (kelly flynn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Spring Tour Dates?
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: kflynn@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (kelly flynn)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


How do I sign up to be included on the mailing list which tells of announced
tour dates as they come off of the hotline?  Feel free to e-mail me.

Kelly
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