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From: sj_hawki@csd.uwe.ac.uk (SJ Hawkins)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Books of Blood
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:45:19 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

I don't know where 'In the Flesh' comes in the series ,but I have read all
 six volumes of the Books of Blood, generally I thought that most of the
stories were excellent and showed a lot of imagination. Good stories include '
The Midnight Meat Train', and 'In the Hills,the Cities' as well as lots of
 others that I can't remember. I was disappointed with some of the stories
though, but that series has turned me into a Clive Barker fan.

Some of the stories from the B.O.B have been turned into graphic novels,
these include the two mentioned above ,'The Yattering and Jack'(which is 
excellent) ,'Celluloid Dreams' and lots more.

Although I'm a bit biased I would suggest that you try to get hold of other
titles in the series.

        -----LEGENDS ARE NOT BORN OR MADE , THEY JUST ARE------

sj_hawki@uk.ac.uwe.csd
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From: tsm@access.digex.com (The Secret Man)
Subject: Re: A question regarding Dracula, and vampires
Organization: The Quiet Room
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:21:24 GMT

slfrp@cc.usu.edu writes:
>According to every vampire story I've read, and movie I've seen, the sun will
>do serious harm to a vampire.  Now, I admit I've not had time to read the
>book "Dracula," but after seeing the movie, I have a question about a quote
>from the FFC version.
>
> [quote about vampires going abroad in daylight deleted]
>
>What gives?  Did I miss something, or am I just totally clueless?

The latter.  How did you arrive at this moment in life?  Never having read
DRACULA...

You have also not read any of Fred Saberhagen's Dracula novels (some are
admittedly better than others);  Saberhagen remained relatively true to
Stoker's statements about the *powers* of vampires, while playing fast and
loose with the view of the central character, as well as the basic definition
of vampirism.

-- 
The Secret Man                                            tsm@access.digex.com
"Well, I've never been to Spain
  but I kind of like the music..."
From: isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dracula's accent
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:37:28 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Though I havn't seen the movie yet(not out down under yet) I don't
 > see where the bad English accent of the count should make a
 > difference as Dracula was from Central Europe and admitted to
 > Johnathen in the book the hard time he had learning English. Also in
 > the book If I remember correctly you don't hear him mutter a word
 > after leaving for England.

No, he doesn't have an English accent at all.  He has a very thick eastern
European accent, as would be expected.  I thought this was the most effective,
least "comic book" of all the accents in the movie, seeing as it WAS so thick
at times, rather than obviously being a cheap affectation put on by an 
English-speaking actor to make himself "sound foreign".

In the BOOK, I don't think he ever said anything after leaving his castle.
As has been mentioned before, however, no matter what you have heard, this
movie does NOT follow the book that closely.
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From: slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine)
Subject: Author's poll so far
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:42:41 GMT

Well, so far I received seven lists of readers' favorite authors.

The results so far:


Dean R. Koontz			On 57% of lists
Clive Barker			43%
Stephen King			43%
Tom Clancy			29%
H.P. Lovecraft			29%
Anne Rice			29%
Peter Straub			29%
J.R.R. Tolkien			29%
Berk Breathed			14%
Orson Scott Card		14%
Leslie Chartesne		14%
Lawrence Watt-Evans		14%
Thomas Harris			14%
Jonathon Kellerman		14%
Fritz Leiber			14%
Mark Lovell			14%
Robert McCammon			14%
Wendy & Richard Pini		14%



Thanks for the reponses and keep them coming.







					Steffan Levine
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From: louis@ansoft.com
Subject: Re: Friday The 13th (TV SERIES)
Keywords: Friday The 13 TV Series NOT THE MOVIES
Reply-To: louis@ansoft.com
Organization: Ansoft Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:16:58 GMT

Does anyone have the list of the cursed items?
I hear that someone compiled them into a list, if anyone has the list please 
mail it to me at louis@ansoft.com

thanks
Louis Reash      'It's deja vu all over again' - Unknown
louis@ansoft.com 'The brighter the picture, the darker the negative' 
                   - Batman the Animated Series 'Two-Face'
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are only my own.
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: a BIG request
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:54:36 GMT

Exorcist - good 
hell night - also good
i forgot the name but she played a girl avenging the death of a friend. good but corny.

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Muto-bear in "Prophecy"
Date: 19 Nov 1992 04:52:24 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I saw this one during the summer.  Not too bad, actually.

What happened to the baby creature in this movie?  The one that the
scientist was trying to keep alive and bring back home with him?  It
seemed to disappear somewhere around the time that the group was
crossing the river trying to get away from the mutant bear.  There was
some sort of struggle between the baby and the person carrying it, but
I couldn't tell what was going on.

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)  # Who is this John person, and where does
a.k.a.:  The Eternal Newbie,  # he have to be at 3:16?
The Amazing Tubeman!,         # 
Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.
From: rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: H.P.LOvecraft
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:18:30 GMT
Organization: UB

ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey) writes:

>      Lovecraft's books are very cold because that's the way he wanted
>them.  He was of the opinion that all this science stuff is going to lead
>to the discovery of things we aren't meant to know, and that there is no
>good in the universe.  He had a very dark world view.....

	Now, now, compatriot, this attitude has brought most unwelcome
attention from Control.  Certainly the most merciful attribute of the
human mind is its inability to correlate its contents -- and since mercy
is for cowards, weaklings, slave-drivers, rapists, and the like, the
Natural Order necessitates the evolution of superior creatures from 
within the very midst of humankind, beyond good and evil, fearlessly
lusting for the Unknown.  The darkness of the lower beings is their
light.  

	Of course, along the way, there must be sacrifices, such as those
pale dreamers who are subject to lapses into weakness.  But progress must
have sacrifices, and it is better to be one of the progressive than one
of the sacrificed.  

	As to the inevitability of degeneration, madness, barbarism, and
the like associated with any cult of Azathoth, meditate well on HPL's word:

	'I am his messenger,' he said
	as in contempt he struck his Master's head

(Fungi from Yuggoth)

	This is clearly a better kick than even vivisection.  Remember to 
extend your madness above the celestial and below the cthonic, and when
the time comes you'll realize it's much better to rise up and lust and
slay, for you will have become LIKE the Elder Ones.

Anti-thelemically yours in Yog-Sothoth,
I mutate
sub umbra alarum tuarum Nyarlathotep
Rick
From: reuver@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de (Dirk Reuver)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Movie with the Bone Stripper Machine ?
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:17:22 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de

Hi,

I'm looking for the name of a movie, where a group of city people
drives through the country and is taken prisoner by a local sheriff.
They are taken to a large house where a very old judge sentences
people to death - the bone stripper machine.

Does anyone remember the name of that movie?

Dirk


__________________________________________________________________________
Dirk Reuver          DD6RE            Phone:  +49 30 617 00100
Berlin, Germany                       Email:  reuver@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de
               "On the count of ten, you will be in EUROPA"
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From: ABS1000 <ABS1@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU>
Subject: Dracula's accent
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Macarthur
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:13:32 GMT

Though I havn't seen the movie yet(not out down under yet) I don't see
where the bad English accent of the count should make a difference as
Dracula was from Central Europe and admitted to Johnathen in the book
the hard time he had learning English. Also in the book If I remember
correctly you don't hear him mutter a word after leaving for England.

Joseph Chillari
UWS Macarthur.

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From: cupcake@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.horror,alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.sf.fandom,alt.fandom.misc
Subject: Re: Friday The 13th (TV SERIES)
Keywords: Friday The 13 TV Series NOT THE MOVIES
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:06:51 GMT
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

manowar@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bomwan) writes:

> 
> 	I am looking for someone/anyone that liked/watched/taped
> 	any of the Friday The 13th TV Series...
> 
> 	You know the one.. Where the Museum with all the neat evil
> 	magical items got broken into and pieces got scattered throughout
> 	the world. Then a couple (guy and girl cousins) inherit the museum, 
> 	and then seek out all the stolen magical items...
> 
> 	If ANYONE knows what the heck I am talking about, please email
> 	me... I would LOVE to get tape copies...


I had them on tape, but they got lost in the shuffle of moving around a lot.
Sorry.  BUT!  I would love to know if the show is still running at all.
Especially if it's still being aired in Canada, Toronto specifically.  I know
that it was running early last year, but that's when I lost track of
everything (I was pregnant so I was lucky if I remembered my own name let
alone a TV show).  If anyone can tell me if it's still being aired, I'd love
to hear it.



Cupcake

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From: slfrp@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: A question regarding Dracula, and vampires
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:07:09 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

According to every vampire story I've read, and movie I've seen, the sun will
do serious harm to a vampire.  Now, I admit I've not had time to read the
book "Dracula," but after seeing the movie, I have a question about a quote
from the FFC version.

At one point, just before we see Dracula chasing after Minna, Van Helsing's
voice tells us that, "contrary to popular belief, vampires CAN move about
in the daytime, though it is not their natural time, and their powers
are weak."

What gives?  Did I miss something, or am I just totally clueless?

Many thanks,

Eric Michaelis
slfrp@mua.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: harsh@flammulated.owlnet.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani)
Subject: Re: H.P.LOvecraft
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:22:01 GMT

The thing that makes Lovecraft so frightening is that when you read his work
you enter another world in which there is no God or Good to save you.  There
are merely the mad Old Ones, who at best are not sentient enough to care about
you, and at worst hate you.
--
Both God and the government watch over us constantly,
	but we don't pay God taxes.

					The King of Fools

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tillis@icpsr.umich.edu (Eddie Tillis)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Muto-bear in "Prophecy"
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:09:31 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov17.190246.1@novax.llnl.gov> urbina@novax.llnl.gov writes:
>
>
>On cable this past Saturday I watched for the second time the movie "Prophecy"
>I hadn't seen it in over 10 years. I believe I saw it in the theatres when it
>opened up back in the late 70's.
>
>Anyway that huge mutated bear still gave me a good fright. The horror EFX still
>look pretty good after all these years.  I still think of that muto-bear
>when I walk alone in the woods. Anybody else remember this movie ?
>
>Guy
>Urbina@novax.llnl.gov


This was the FIRST horror film I ever saw. It holds a special place in my
heart, but I saw it a coupla years ago and it seemed a bit cheesy. Enjoyed
it anyway!

ET
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Subject: Re: Asian Horror (again)
From: Todd Keenan Bowman <tb0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:15:17 -0500 
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

A little over a week ago I asked for information about an unnamed
Asian horror film I had rented. The story was about an unseen force
that is cutting/ripping people's heads off. Eventually a girl's
head sprouts big spider legs and chases the remaining two survivors
around until the end of the film. It was excellent.

A few people responded saying the movie is called STRANGE STORY. OK.
I was content.

The plot thickens....

Just yesterday I received a letter from Craig Ledbetter of Asian Trash
Cinema (issue #2 is very cool). I had asked him pretty much the same
question a week earlier.  He identified the movie as Shinya
Tsukamota's HIRUKO: THE GOBLIN. This is the same guy who made the
films TETSUO: THE IRONMAN  and TETSUO II: THE BODY HAMMER.  His reply
makes sense since the only English word on the entire video box was
"Hiruko"...nothing else.

Can anyone who's seen HIRUKO: THE GOBLIN either confirm or deny this?
Video Search of Miami has two listings for a film called HIROKU: THE
GOBLIN. One listed as "more from the director of Ironman" and the
other as "asian horror". Could there be two films with this title?
I can decide if I'm more confused or not.


.......
todd
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From: tsm@access.digex.com (The Secret Man)
Subject: Re: Castle Rock story
Organization: The Quiet Room
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:57:25 GMT

lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo) writes:
>right now.  Since it is a Castle Rock story, the name [name omitted because
> it's a spoiler for the book in question;  of course, if you saw the original
> copy of this message, it's no secret...] keeps coming up and how he went
>crazy and killed some people.  I can't for the life of me remember what book
>this guy is from.  Can someone fill me in (I'm too
>
> [goes on to list several books, including]

The Dead Zone.  Johnny is called by the sheriff of Castle Rock, who is getting
desperate to solve the murders of the young girls.  Even though the sheriff
does not initially really believe in Johnny's psychic powers, he has to try
*something*...  his own daughter is the same age as the victims of the killer.

-- 
The Secret Man                                            tsm@access.digex.com
"Well, I've never been to Spain
  but I kind of like the music..."
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From: revik@camelot.bradley.edu (Gary Achenbach)
Subject: Re: The Muto-bear in "Prophecy"
Organization:  Unconditional, ltd.
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:23:40 GMT

Recently saw this as well on cable.  Seemed more comedy than horror to me.
Of course, I tuned in partway through--first line I hear:
"What's that dog doin' up thair?"
Other great moments--the indian guy runs away.  However, to run away, he
runs into the cabin immediately behind him and dives through a window for
no readily apparent reason--and no one can find him afterwards.  Hee.
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: HPL
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:29:09 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: like communism, but nicer.

ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey) writes:

> In article <wZu6TB4w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs
> >mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool) writes:
> >
> >> philip marlowe (pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
> >> :  
> >> :  Let's face reality here -- HPL was a LOUSY writer. His prose was so 
> >> : thick and convoluted that it's almost impossible to read -- almost 
> >> : Milton-esque, in a strange kind of way.
> >> :  
> >> :  That said, I do read his stuff every now and again because his 
> >> : imagination ALMOST overcomes the turgid prose...not an easy thing to do.
> >> :  
> >> 
> >> Expect a LOT of e-mail.
> >> 	--MLM
> >
> > 
> > Let 'em come...I'll take 'em on one at a time, or all at once.
> > HPL WAS a lousy writer.
> > 
> > And so is Dean R. Koontz.
> > 
> >marlowe
> 
>    Okay, Mr Opinion man, so who is your idea of a good writer?  Hemingway,
> I suppose.  Dick and Jane primers?
> 
> 

 
 William S. Burroughs
 Raymond Chandler
 Robert Coover
 Andrew Vachss
 Dan Simmons
 Charles Bukowski
 
 And, yes, Earnest Hemmingway.
 
marlowe

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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Dracula and American Psycho
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:22:00 GMT

Harry Tuttle, whose comments on FFC's "BS's Dracula" I mostly
agree with, writes:
>2) American Psycho
>
>I can't say enough bad things about this book.  It is easily the worst
>I have ever read.  People who like it will inevitably defend it by
>saying that Ellis was trying to satirize the excesses and shallowness
>of the 1980's.  Yes, I agree, that is what he was TRYING to do, but
>he failed miserably.  Anybody who wants to read a good book that
>satirized the 80's much more skillfully should read The Bonfire of
>the Vanities by Tom Wolfe.  

I don't know why I feel compelled to do this--'must be my weekly
dose of the "Imp of the Perverse" (cf. E. A. Poe)--but I'll stick
my neck out and say I found _American_Psycho_ *hilarious*.  I didn't
especially appreciate the violent scenes, and in fact I think the
book would have worked better if it *hadn't* been an attempt at
horror, but I thought the satirizing of 80's New York yuppies
was a scream.  And the brand names are very much part of it.  I
also liked Tom Wolfe's _Bonfire_of_the_Vanities_ (although I thought
the serialized version in _Rolling_Stone_ superior to the one that
eventually got published as a book--if only for Wolfe's superb drawings
and the completely different take on the main character), but Ellis
is not like Wolfe, he's a satirist from the *inside*--he satirizes things
by embodying them himself in the crassest way possible.  I wouldn't
want to be in his skin, that's for sure, whereas I admire Wolfe and
think he has a fun sensibility.  Ellis goes all the way, you have to
give him that.

I know this is like speaking into a windstorm, though.  Very few people
like this book.  I think it helps in my appreciation that I myself was
a suit-wearing, brand-name-conscious, big-money-making yuppie during
the 80's, living on the East Coast if not in New York City.  Now I'm
happily downwardly mobile, barely making a subsistence income, and I
gave away all my suits.  What a relief!  Ellis reassures me for having
made this dramatic life-choice, by reminding me of how tacky it all
was.

						--frumpy Fiona
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From: astoker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew Stoker)
Subject: Clive Barker makes music?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:32:04 GMT

A quick question that someone asked me after I mentioned Clive and his latest
book to them:

Is this the same Clive Barker who is in Underground Resistance Boys (aka X102)
apparently, they are a techno group, which suggests to me that he isn't, but,
who knows?

	Andy
--
Andrew J. Stoker | "My lord, I cannot ride!"
Leicester Uni.   | "Capital, we shall give you a horse that can't be ridden."
ajs6@leicester.ac.uk   |		      ``Wyrd Sisters'', Terry Pratchett
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Frankenstein (Re: Dracula for free)
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:55:57 GMT

slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:
> 
>      Actually, no.  According to Chris Hicks (local movie critic/
> reporter) in the 15 Nov _Deseret_News_ Arts section, Kenneth Branagh
> of (I don't remember or know) fame will be doing Frankenstein. 

Kenneth Branaugh is the director/star of the films Henry V and Dead
Again.  Both come highly recommended.

> Apparently Coppola turned it down. 

A pity.  I liked what he did with Dracula, but he probably doesn't
want to do anything along the same vein so soon after the film's
release.

-- 
This is my sig file.
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From: ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey)
Subject: Re: H.P.LOvecraft
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:21:09 GMT

In article <BxvvCy.G0@umassd.edu> s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>  I feel that Lovecraft is a master of horror writing, The scary
>thing about his writing is enhanced by his style. The fact that the monsters
> are often beyond human comprehension makes them much worse than some
>kid with a hormone problem and a hockey mask. Not meaning to be rude,
>but I feel that HPL  is probable one of the greatest horror writers of 
>the twetieth century


         I agree completely, and wish that I would stop getting mail from
people who think otherwise because they do not read all of a post.  It was
Philip Marlowe who said HPL was a lousy writer, and I defended Lovecraft,
but everyone must have missed that part.
 -----Ethan
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