HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ?
Date: 26 Jul 92 11:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


->      GAS     Gas flame     10 sec

 With a full ten seconds, they couldn't get the lock off with a torch?

 Those numbers, plus the variation for gas cutting, look somewhat bogus
to me.  That is, if they're using oxyacetylene instead of a $1.97
hardware store butane rig.

 Warm the lock up for a few seconds, hit the oxygen, and that's the end
of that.  No matter how fancy your alloy is or how it's heat treated,
it's just steel under the torch.

 I have an oxyacetylene rig with small bottles; I can carry it as a
backpack.  (I used to spend a lot of time in junkyards, cutting off
parts)  They make even smaller bottles.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Sticker campaign
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:30:14 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 5072@vtserf.cc.vt.edu, ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>:
>Anybody slaps *any* kind of sticker on my car that and I would be *very*
>pissed off.  Is that really what you want, a bunch of ignorant and pissed
>off cagers?  

Sounds like that's exactly what he wants.


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Subject: Re: Harley riders waved !!!
Reply-To: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:47:25 GMT

Last week a Harley rider let me ride his lowrider and I let him
ride my CBR900RR. He was smiling entirely too much for his safety.
Why if any other HD rider should see him, he better damn well
have a scowl on his face and be mortified at being seen on rice.

I thought his bike was nice. I appreciate getting to take my first
ride on a Harley, but I think I'll keep my Honda.
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Questions and thoughts on this summer.
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:52:33 GMT
Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center


In article <1992Jul23.235221.21587@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:

   Question:
   why is lugging the engine bad for the engine?

This was covered in the latest issue of Motorcyclist.

What?  You don't read Motorcyclist???
And you call yourself a squid?  Shame on you.

Seriously though, it contains a pretty good discussion of oil as it
relates to motorcycle engines.

In a nutshell, at low rpms, the film of oil that's supposed to keep
metal parts from touching breaks down, which can lead to overheating
and rapid wear.  To visualize this, just think about the last time you
went waterskiing.  Boat slows => you sink.

- Eric
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally)
Subject: Re: Harley riders waved !!!
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.195146.12030@ncar.ucar.edu> jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:

>From article <ceOkCy200Uh_M3DjFH@andrew.cmu.edu>, by ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter A. Simon):
>> Excuse me, who are you speaking for?  I do not consider riders of 883s
>> either "Harley Dudes" or "bikers." Harley posers, more like it...

><sarcasm mode on>

>Gee, I kinda wanted an 883 Sporty, Spousal Unit willing. I 'spoze this
>means I can't post to rec.motorcycles.harley, providing the vote passes.
>Wish I'd know this before I voted. I might have changed my mind. Sure
>woulda been useful to know that "harley" excludes 883 riders. I don't
>recall this distinction being in the charter. Good to know that the
>Harley crowd exhibits the high degree of cohesiveness necessary to make
>rec.motorcycles.harley a success. I look forward to the comradery in
>the new newsgroup -- minus, of course, the 883 riders. Actually, I
>was sorta thinking maybe we should exclude anyone who rides a Harley
>lacking the wide-glide front end. Of course, that's just my opinion.

><sarcasm mode off>

>--
>John Sloan              "Since I've given up hope,        +1 303 497 1243
>NCAR/SCD                   I feel much better."       Fax +1 303 497 1137
>Boulder CO 80307-3000 USA                            jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu
>Logical Disclaimer:  belong(opinions,jsloan). belong(opinions,_):-!,fail.

A Harley, is a Harley, is a Harley!  You will be more than welcome!!!

Sal
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cvacura@uswat.uswest.com (Craig Vacura)
Subject: Re: Children suck
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:44:20 GMT

>Jonathan E. Quist:
>Worse than that; turn a little kid against motorcycles today, and he'll
>grow up and pass anti-motorcycle laws, or run you off the road, or, or...

Jonathan's right.  Do yourself, and the kid, a favor and give him the ride 
of his life.  Make him a junior DoD member.  Corrupt him for life.  Turn 
him against his sniveling breeder parents.  One of the reasons I ride 
today was the spark lit by my DaD's friends.  My first ride was on a 
purple 750 Norton in 1970 courtesy of Wild Bill MacDonald.  I was 9.  My 
second ride was on a radically chopped 650 Triumph in 1972.  The forks 
must've been 4 feet long.  At 11 years old I remember my mom making Doug, 
long red hair and handlebar mustache, cover the naked ghost lady 
airbrushed on the tank.  Ahh, the mammaries, uh, memories.

V
DoD#618


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Subject: Re: Get your feet on the GD pegs.
	<1992Jul22.133428.12028@javelin.sim.es.com>
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:14:02
Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov


In article <1992Jul22.133428.12028@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

   Probably learned how to ride by watching TV. The other one I like is
   dweebs that make turns with their feet down. Hey, this ain't dirt! If
   that foot touches at 25-30mph, you're going be doing some sudden
   gymnastics.

That's nonsense.  I occasionally touch my feet down at speed to check
for gravel on the road, and just to get used to the sensation of my
boots touching.

Once you realize that a light touch is no big deal, it's a lot less
scary when you occasionally drag the boot in a turn.

Eric "No nickname yet" Raible
From: CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: BMW K75 RT wanted
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:57:54 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I am looking for a used K75 RT in the New England area.
From: tmolina@csource.oz.au (Tony Molina)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Australian motorcyclists beware.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:44:03 +1000

 > Then
 > MPR
 > 4th avenue, sunshine.
 > Nice paint - but takes too long to get through, some idiot who works
 > there put one of my stickers on completely off alignment, had to order
 > another set from Japan and re-do it.

I went here a few weeks back to get a spray paint quote for my VF1000. 
Their price wasn't bad but when the owners virtually pleaded with me to give
them a drag race up the street (they have a GSX1000) I decided this might not be
the best sort of company to deal with (!).

Keep smiling!

= Tony =

tony@ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au

 * Origin: God is REAL unless declared as an INTEGER (3:635/526)
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Get your feet on the GD pegs.
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:38:12 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Thursday July 23 1992 23:53, Frank Barriuso wrote to All:

 FB>   Someone once told me that the cops have an easy time deciding whether
 FB> or not a motorcycle has come to a complete stop at a stop sign. If the
 FB> rider had to put their feet down to keep from falling over then they
 FB> did, if not then they didn't.  Is there any validity to this?

I don't know about places other than California and Maryland, Frank, but
a full stop is defined as the tire being motionless with respect to the
road surface for a full 2 (I think thats the number) seconds.

If someone can balance their moto at a stop sign and meet that criteria,
they've stopped. Of course, explaining this to the man who just assumes you
didn't because your feet didn't come off the pegs is probably more trouble
than just touching a toe down each time. And, right or wrong, probably less
costly.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FJ vs. ZX engine mods
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:58:57 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

In article <3818.2A6E28F5@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John  
Hamilton) writes:
> Wednesday July 22 1992 14:48, Dave Williams wrote to All:
> 
>  DW>  Wiseco also makes a 1400 kit for the J.  That, some hotter cams, and
>  DW> some judicious suspension work, and you could devour a ZX for less money
>  DW> than you're likely to pay to trade across.
> 
> By the time you put that much $ in the FJ1200, you have spent the same amount
> as I am about to put into the engine of my ZX-11 (not counting the Falicon
> crank and rods, and assorted trivial stuff like EFI), and the ZX-11 will  
still
> eat this hypothetical FJ1200 alive. Ok, so now, add NO2, and say the FJ will
> eat the ZX-11. Then, add the NO2 to the ZX-11, and the FJ1200 is meat again.
> 
> Don't you get it yet? At any equivalent level of engine pumping, the ZX-11
> makes more power than the FJ1200. Its purely academic.
> 
> John
>

However, given the FJ's list price is about 2k less than the ZX, for the same  
cash outlay, the FJ will suck the headlights out of the ZX. Yes I'll agree
that $'s equally spent on both will see the ZX ahead, but they aren't starting
out equal in price.

Fair is fair . . .

For the record I think a stock FJ or ZX has more than enough power :-).

Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
DOD# 810
1992FJ1200A
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Get your feet on the GD pegs.
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:00:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.132451.13179@hemlock.cray.com>,
frankb@willow41.cray.com (Frank Barriuso) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Jul22.211400.28153@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com
|> (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> >                ...I routinely come to full stops at stop signs, and
|> start
|> > up again, without my feet ever leaving the pegs at all, and with no
|> loss
|> > of directional control.  Folks, it's not hard.  Hell, it's even
|> fun!
|> >
|> 
|>   Someone once told me that the cops have an easy time deciding
|> whether or
|> not a motorcycle has come to a complete stop at a stop sign. If the
|> rider
|> had to put their feet down to keep from falling over then they did,
|> if not
|> then they didn't.  Is there any validity to this?

Well when they pull you over you could always demonstrate 
your ability to balance the bike with no feet touching and
all the stands up. If you cant do that I'd suggest practice
or dont do it.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Get your feet on the GD pegs.
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.021851.11275@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.013116.29265@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
>>	I have noticed so many riders leaving intersections, parking lots
>>	etc. with their feet dangling down 1" above the road.  Where
>>	does one learn this?  Is this stupid and unecessary(sp?), or is
>>	it just me?  
>I seem to recall one of the points they hammered in during the MSF ERC
>was NOT to ride like this.  In fact they recommend putting only the LEFT
>foot down and only when completely stopped (and with the bike in gear).

i recently took the riding test in pa: the cop had me do three consecutive
figure-8's in the three-point-turn stall, cruise an intersection, do the
serpentine, and come out.  five stops in all.  he told me i could dab ONCE
during the 8's, put my left foot down when stopping, if my right touched
other than the one (optional) dab, i failed.  had i been a newbie, this might
have intimidated me :-)

oh, and of course he picked the stall with all the loose sand and gravel.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:27:50 GMT

In article <18681@drutx.ATT.COM> brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB) writes:
>	Obmoto: I saw two identical paso 750's in Louisville on friday;
>	god, the things are getting as common as hondas.

Hesh, Katrina, Bob Palin, Noemi, Dave Jevans, and I
saw about 15 TDM 850s in Tomales on Sunday.  All ridden
by French tourists.  Some were red and some were grey.

That made them more common than Hondas on our route
from Roserunnner's ranch back to Silicon Valley.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Parental riding permission (Encouragement/Discouragement.)
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> Mom spent many nights nursing emergency room MC wreck victims so she
-> had what she thought, good reason to "not allow" me to get a bike.
-> Of course, her time was in Connecticut (no helmet law state - if that
-> made a difference).

 Strange.  I've personally seen semi-living, mangled bodies hauled into
the emergency room from car wrecks.  The ones where detached body parts
are in separate bags are especially interesting.

 You don't notice the ER people exclaiming over how stupid those people
were to be riding in AUTOMOBILES.  Jeez, good thing they weren't on
anything *dangerous*, like motorcycles.
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Use of DOT5 in "older" bikes
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:22:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.155037.26455@znext.uucp>, erika@znext.uucp (erik
astrup) writes:
|> 
|> 	From what I have read and heard, don't waste your time with DOT 5.
|> If you do you have to COMPLETELY flush all forms of DOT 3 or 4 out of
|> your
|> system. Those two fluids can "live together" in your brake system,
|> but DOT
|> 5 cannot. I think DOT 5 is a silicon based fluid, and is impervious
|> to
|> water, and has a very high boiling point. I have not heard it
|> reccommended
|> for the street however. 

All the US Military has converted over to dot5 on EVERYTHING
including the 1/4 tons, and yes the systems were flushed.
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Internet: fist@iscp.belcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: delilah@next10epsl.wam.umd.edu (Mere words can't convey the real me)
Subject: Re: Info on Honda Hawks
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:45:50 GMT

In article <76339@ut-emx.uucp> captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)  
writes:
> I have found two Honda Hawk GT 650 bikes, and I'm curious if any of  
y'all
> have had experience with them.  I like the looks, and the feel of them
> standing still.  I have yet to actually ride one.  How do they handle?
> Acceleration, braking, city, highway, mpg, etc.?  Any helpful info you
> can send my way will be greatly appreciated.  One is $2100 (includes two
> helmets & winter suit).  The other is $1900 (bike only).  Are these good
> prices if they are in good shape?
> 
> 
> -- 
> The opinions expressed above are merely the result of random synaptic  
firings. 
> I am Brian                                        
> I ain't lyin'                                     -   O
> La la la la la .....                                | 
> DoD# 0690                                        \_^___/ 
yep, i bought my hawk new in '90 (it's an '88); the handling is superb,  
acceleration and brakes are good (but not up to true sport-bike abilities)
combined city-highway riding, i was getting in the mid 40's usually when i  
bought it; lately i've been getting in the low 50's (i think switching to  
synthetic oil a while back helped ); the powerband is very wide and user-
friendly, but not as strong as a true sportbike, like i said; still, it's  
very easy to go fast when the engine always responds. i paid $3350 for  
mine new, and used ones around here have been going for the mid-high
2,XXX's, so the price sounds good too. it stands up very well to sliding  
on the asphalt (either side, just don't ask how i know); the shift lever  
bends a little too easily if it goes over on the left, and the clutch and  
brake levers snap occasionally if the contact the ground, too...  
personally, i'd buy the $1900 one and use the extra $200 to buy a good  
helmet (schoei or arai, mail order it) or a corbin seat (mine was a  
christmas present, makes a BIG difference).

hope this was helpful.
-D-
From: jep@cs.duke.edu (Jonathan E. Polito)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:12:23 GMT
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM's message of 20 Jul 92 18:18:26 GMT


In article <9900936@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:
   [ story of a motorcyclist colliding with a deer and some useful
   thoughts on emergency equipment ]

   On a different scale, this lady's choice to (a) not wear a helmet and (b) to
   ride at dusk/dark in deer territory, severely traumatized about 12 people who
   came to her aid. These individual strangers contributed time, material and
   emotional energy on her behalf, all because they felt it to be right. 
   (and that the law requires rendering assistance.......)

   I think that she made a thoughtless choice that imposed unnecessarily upon
   the kindness of strangers. Frankly, MY first reaction was not of compassion
   but was of rage. HOW COULD SHE BE SO ALMIGHTY STUPID TO BE RIDING WITHOUT
   A HELMET!!!!! She is free to choose to ride helmetless but I, nor any of
   the helpers was free to let her die unattended.  Two of the helpful 
   strangers remarked that this was the second motorcycle accident that they
   had been first on-scene with in 2 weeks. (The other was a squid-boy that
   ran off the road when travelling the Masonville Rd. in a pack.) 

   When you reject the "cost to society" argument, please remember that you
   are also spitting in the face of suddenly involved strangers who will be 
   inconvenienced by your decision. They cannot spit back at you as you lie 
   unconscious and bleeding on (or off) the road.

   Ride Safe,
   Ron Miller
   1988 R100GS


What kind of TV land do you live in that your priorities are so askew?
How can you say that you are inconvenienced by someone dying that
requires your help? There are not too many things more important than
life.  Next time your mother/wife/child needs to be rushed to the
hospital and you are not around you better hope that others don't
think like you or at least don't spend an hour wondering what the law
requires them to do. 

Man talk about cold.
Jonathan.
--
Jonathan Polito                                      DoD #x (K 100)
jep@cs.duke.edu                                  jpolito@encore.com 
              "You Don't Say...." --- Sylvia Plath
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RCR Attendance List
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:35:15 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
: 
: I'm not sure this was really a gathering of Denizens.  I mean there
: were more cages than FJ's, BMW GS's and Ducati's _combined_.
:
   Well, we could count Werner from Venezuala's GS.  Then there would be
one of each at least.  Besides, we had 'Roid.  Has anybody mentioned that
he is a *loud* drunk?

Bill Ranck
DoD #496
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cop Flashlights
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:34:36 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>rja@hastur.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen) writes:
>>    I HIGHLY recommend purchasing MagLites, i.e., cop-style water-
>>    proof, explosion proof, aluminum flashlights.  Pay extra and
>>    get a Xenon bulb.  Check flashlight periodically to make sure
>>    the button didn't get pressed on and discharged the batteries.
>
>Probably because cops have a history of abusing gay people, whenever
>I see one of these flashlights I immediately envision somebody's
>skull getting bashed open with it.  The flashlight function never
>even crosses my mind.  Does anybody else have this reaction?

In days of yore (when I skulked around campus at night, scaring coeds and
rattling doorknobs), we called them "possum whackers".  You see, the
possums up in Oregon don't play dead; they hiss and snarl and show
all 50-odd pointy teeth.  We had to hiss and snarl and stomp to get
them to move away, and my 4-cell Maglite was the persuader of last
resort.  Also effective against drunken fratrats (more effective still
is standing quietly and not being seen :-)).