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From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: USC Dreams
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:40:55 GMT

In article 03Lnabjp00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.131322.12814@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>>In article <92287.074450KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>> 
>>>   Penn State is one of the top programs in the country who consistently win
>>> over top 10 teams, right!!!!  WRONG!!!  A.P. reports that in the "Joe Paterno
>>> Era", PSU is 10-41 against teams that ended the season in the Top 10.  Now
>>> this may be misleading because a team may be #9, loses to PSU in a bowl game
>>> and drops out of the top 10.  But look at that record!  That is a .244 winning
>>> percentage.  It goes to show that the Lions have built up their record on the
>>> Eastern Michigans, Marylands and Bowling Greens of the world (I am a Maryland
>>> fan, but facts are facts, PSU owns us, 32-1-1).  The Penn State program is
>>> over rated and people should realize that.  After all, they have played one
>>> ranked team all season, at home, in front of 96,000 of their own fans, and
>>> they lost.
>>
>>Give us a break.  Penn State has won two national championships during the
>>80's including a victory over, what was considered one of the the best
>>college football teams of all time, the '86 Miami Hurricanes.
>>
>>I have no idea what the Lions record is against top-10 teams.  But losing
>>by a slim margin to the best team in the country is not the sign of a poor
>>football team.  Penn State is not as good as Miami, but they are definitely
>>a top-10 team this season.  And they have been a good team consistently
>>over the years.  If that isn't a top-notch program then what is?
>
>Wait a minute! Two MNC's in the 80's for JoePa? 
>
>1980 GA Dogs
>1981 USC The one in LA
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Excuse me, what have you been smoking lately?

1981 was the year that CLEMSON (no "p", no "z") won the MNC.  If you don't believe it, come down here and look for yourself.  Everywhere you go, you can see "12-0-0, 1981 National Champs signs and bumper stickers.  The fake USC (the one in CA) hasn't won since the Seventies.

Incidentally, the USC in South Carolina is the real USC, since they were around first.  They even won a court case over it.  So stop using their name!

>1982 Was this Penn State's other year? 
>1983 UMiami
>1984 BYU Frauds
>1985 Oklahoma
>1986 Penn State
>1987 UMiami
>1988 Notre Dame
>1989 UMiami
>1990 Colorado/GaTech
>1991 UMiami/UWash
>
>
>All this aside, anybody who doesn't concede that Penn State has a top-flight 
>program is brain-dead. 
>
>-- 
>Ronnie
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
>
>
Doug Brod
From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big East Preview for October 10, 1992
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:20:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct9.180629.8599@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) writes:
>
>     To ND fans: Who has accumulated more passing yardage against ND in
>their career?  Yup, Alex Van Pelt.

   As long as Pitt trivia has come up...

   The all time leader for rushing yardage against Notre Dame is Tony
Dorsett.  In fact, this is the NCAA record for career rushing yardage by any
player against a particular opponent.  The highlight of Tony's efforts 
against ND was 303 yards rushing in the 1975 game at Pitt Stadium.  This
is also the Pitt single-game record for rushing.

   Tony's kid, Anthony, is now a defensive back for Pitt.  He's been
playing a lot lately and can really hit hard.

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
From: hamel@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Hamel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ACC officiating (no longer long)
Keywords: Honor, Dignity, Penalty?,
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:55:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct7.154900.9707@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>I don't know if anyone took note of this at the start of the FSU/Miami
>game but the entire officiating crew was from the ACC. That said I made
>a few observations during the game that I would now like to share with
>anyone who cares about that game.

(Rantings of a poor winner deleted for brevity)

This has to be one of the tackiest and most irresponsible posts I have 
*ever* seen on this newsgroup.  To claim that the ACC officials somehow
conspired to overlook flagrant fouls and other duties in this game is in
poor taste.  Certainly, maybe a few of these should have been called; 
however, for *YOU* to assert that there was a conscious dereliction of
duty by them is utterly preposterous!  Who the hell do you think you
are, some omnipotent football god?  Grow up and be more responsible.

To further claim that the Hurricane football team should have forfeited the
game at one point (at least you said that's what *YOU* would have done) due
to what *YOU* saw (and the way *YOU* interpreted it) is pure silliness.  Is
this how you react in real life when things don't go your way?  "I don't
like you any more.  I think I'm gonna take my toys and go home."  Grow up.

>John "Go Canes" T.

I hope other Canes fans don't share your sentiments.  

-- 
Scott M. Hamel                                   hamel@athena.cs.uga.edu
University Computing & Networking Services       shamel@uga.cc.uga.edu
University of Georgia - Athens, Ga. 30602
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From: scott@fraud.Berkeley.EDU (Scott Silvey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Quarterback Rating Formula
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:53:07
Organization: UC Berkeley Experimental Computing Facility (XCF)
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In-reply-to: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu's message of 8 Oct 92 00:00:42 GMT


% In article <1992Oct7.170042.1@cc.uvcc.edu> maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:

% (Gary B. Fitzgerald) writes:
% > Could someone please enlighten me on the formula used to get the quarterback 
% > rating or quarterback efficiency number.  Thanks so much.
% > 
% > Gary
% 
% ((COMPLETIONS + (3.3 * TD'S) - (2.0 * INT'S)) * 100) + (8.4 * YARDS)) / ATTMPTS

So, where does this formula come from?  How "official" is it?  

And who decides what the weighting factors like "3.3", "2.0", and "8.4" should
be?

Thanks.

Scott Silvey
scott@xcf.berkeley.edu
From: bjglenn@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: NESCAC
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:09:37 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


	Could someone post the weekly NESCAC scores for those of us living
overseas?  We're looking for Amherst, Bates, Bowdoin, Clark, Hamilton, Tufts,
Wesleyan and Williams.

	Thanks

 
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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: Ohio State game thoughts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:01:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.194624.23174@cbnews.cb.att.com> ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
>
>My friend whom I went to the game with, turned to me at one point while
>the booing was going on and said, "Well I wonder what Rashard thinks of
>this?".  He was referring to Rashard Griffith, the 7-1 kid from Chicago
>who was at the game being courted by Randy Ayers.  I don't know, but
>frankly I think it's embarrassing.
>
>david
>

Agreed the Booing was not good, but I'll bet he was fairly impressed
with the 94,000+ reception Jim Jackson got.

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dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                    \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Canes vs. BC (NOT!)
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:14:43 GMT


Listen up folks, For the last time. Miami does NOT play Boston
College THIS YEAR. What part of DOES NOT PLAY do you guys NOT
understand?

For the record the remaining Miami schedule is:

Oct 17- TCU
Oct 24- at Virginia Tech.
Oct 31- West Virginia
Nov 14- Temple
Nov 21- at Syracuse
Nov 28- at San Diego State
Jan 01- Major Bowl Game for MNC vs highest ranked available opponent that
        doesn't chicken out.

NOWHERE in this schedule does the name BOSTON COLLEGE appear. Got it? Good!


John T.
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..John "Dolphinatic" Turman...
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From: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov (Jackie Wilson - BCSS)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Reply-To: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:12:43 GMT

In article 28269@walter.cray.com, kmartin@dogwood.cray.com (Kenneth B. Martin) writes:
>Maybe when Alabama plays a good team, we'll get to see how good they
>really are.  I mean a top 10 ranking when the best team you've played
>is Vanderbilt...give me a break!!
>
>By the way, lots of us from Auburn consider the AU-UGA game to be a 
>pretty intense rivalry also.  Let's hear from some UGA fans on this.
>
>--Ken
>
>AU '90
>WAR EAGLE
>

As I stated in a previous post, the AU/UA game is the biggest game of
the year for both teams.  As bad as most Bama fans hate to admit it,
THE reason Bill Curry was run out of town was because he couldn`t beat
Auburn.  In a year with only 2 losses (AU and Miami), many fans were 
wanting his head on a platter.  Personally, I prefer the AU/UGA game
to the Bama game.  There doesn't seem to be as much "bad blood" 
between the fans.  (not including the little incident with the water
a few years back :^)  Lots of home town folks and such at the game.

Jackie Wilson
Boeing Computer Support Services




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From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Colorado pounds Mizzou 6-0
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:54:10 GMT

Buffaloes, ease up!  You didn't *have* to run it up on Mizzou like that
did you?  I mean, like, did you really need to kick that second field 
goal?  6-zip is a bit much isn't it?  BTW - how can you get so many
yards and not get a TD?  I watched the whole game and can't figure it
out.  Pretty tough D, though.

BTW -       TEXAS SUCKS!

    OOOO      
   O    O     =================================== |       Bill Dostalik
   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |   dostalik@utdallas.edu
   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |     Dept. of Physics    
    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    | Univ. of Oklahoma @ Dallas
      U    U  =================================== | 
       UUUU                                       |   "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Organization: University of Michigan
	<BvrFJ2.4GM@encore.com> <1992Oct7.190023.11973@u.washington.edu>
	<Bvu972.EC9@encore.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:33:34 GMT

In article <Bvu972.EC9@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:

   >jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Go Ahead and Hate Me, I'm a Cane" Fawcett) writes:

   >
   >NCAA Rule Book ( Rule 7c in the section on snapping and passing the ball)
   >
   >Rule 7C " IF ANY ILLEGAL PASS IS THROWN FROM THE END ZONE,  THE OFFENDED
   >TEAM MAY ACCEPT A SAFETY OR DECLINE THE PENALTY AND ACCEPT THE RESULT OF
   >THE PLAY."

   |From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn "I love Dogs" Tanner)

   |If you'll look around in your little book some more, I'm sure you find a 
   |rule that says something like, "Any forward pass which is not caught before 
   |the ball hits the ground shall be ruled incomplete."  Thus, if you want to 
   |decline the penalty and take the play, which was an incomplete pass, it would
   |be FSU`s ball at the 1-2 yard line.  Why that official signaled TD is beyond


   True, but there is also a rule that a complete pass, must be a legal pass.

Come on Jason, there isn't any such rule.  Its illegal to throw two forward
passes, a pass past the line of scrimmage, a pass with line men down field,
and numerous other things.  The pass is complete or incomplete independent of
the violation.  If there is a penalty either it must be accepted (e.g. false
start) or the defense has the option of accepting the outcome of the play or
the penalty (e.g. most if not all the examples above).  If Ward goes 50 yards
past the line of scrimmage and clearly throws a ball down the field for a
completion, Miami *could* have rejected the penalty and accepted the result
of the play.  My guess is in most cases they would not have.  

I have no idea about the head referee, but I agree with you: big money games
have come to mean big money.  The NCAA should have more independent, and
professionally qualified, referees.

Bill
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	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UNI vs. Iowa in '94???????
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:27:04 GMT
Organization: Atmos. Science, Colorado State Univ.

In article <1992Oct7.165355.31568@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> tshannon@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon) writes:
>
>	Iowa could play the University as early as 1994, according to 
>Hayden Fry.  He said that he would be willing to play them and Iowa 
>State in the same year.  He origanally suggested that they only play
>one instate school a year.  But he said to quit playing Iowa State
>"..would be silly."  There is an opening in Iowa's '94 schedule for one
>more non-conference game.
>	When Terry Allen (head coach at UNI) was asked, he replied," I've said 
>that if they are going to play Northern Illinois, I'd love for them to play
>us,  But if they are going to play Maimi, they should play Miami."  It would
>also make more sense for the state of Iowa, because Iowa paid NIU $200,000
>to play here last year, and are going to pay them $250,000 at least next
>year.  
>	So who knows, maybe the Iowa Legislature will get it's wish, and all
>three schools will play each other in the same year, creating a mythical state
>tital, or state champ.
>
>-- 
>	Timothy J. Shannon  

At least that would give one of the teams bragging rights. And, who knows,
maybe Iowa State can get lucky one year (Yeah, right!) and we can put the Iowa
hex behind us! 

Does anyone know how good UNI actually is?  Are they full of seniors, or are 
a balanced team? Also, how has there recruiting been over the last couple of 
years? It would seem to be a tough act, competing against U of I and ISU for
potential recruits. 

Finally, how has UNI been on filling the UNI-dome? Doesn't it seat about 20,000
fans? It's a great place to have a ball game, I played 2 high school games up 
there in 1980 and 81 while on the Cedar Rapids Washington team when we played
Cedar Falls. It was fun, and the fans had a great time. I know that they fill 
it for most Basketball games.....

Just some thoughts.......

J. Knowles                         "At least ISU has a good basketball team"
knowles@tachu.atmos.colostate.edu         - Disgruntled ISU alum
From: cbehre@spock.usc.edu (Charles Behre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:22:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.usc.edu


In article <Bvs40w.8nw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
|> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
|> 
|> >UVa does not have a marching band. The pep band is not a marching band
|> 
|> You can say that again!!!

And I'll say it with pride.  While I always thought our pep band was pretty lame,
nothing can compare with the boring excuse for a half-time show known as a marching band.
Give me a frisbee cathing dog show anytime. There is only three groups of people who 
like marching bands: band members, former band members, and the parents of band members.
And the parents only pretend to enjoy it.
  
--Chip

P.S. Next time you criticize the UVa pep band's vests, put on your illini band uniform and 
look in the mirror.  If you don't see something pretty ridiculous you must be on something.
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: CU's Kordell Stewart out for 1 week
Keywords: Koy Detmer, Kordell Stewart
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:06:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.205216.10094@stortek.com> roush@stortek.com (Jeff Roush) writes:
>p.s. - njan, they talk about you over in rec.sport.football.pro too

I hope all this attention doesn't go into my head.. it's hard not to!

Njan
From: bohy6489@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bama vs Tenn TV
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:06:49 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct13.133123.12398@exu.ericsson.se>, exustp@exu.ericsson.se (Stephen Pittner,xt-dt,x0672) writes:
> 
>    HELP!
>     Can anyone tell me if this game will be carried on TV. If so who will carry it,
>     what time etc....
>     By the way, I'm in Dallas, TX. 
> 
> 
>                                     Thanks,
>                                     Steve

It's on ABC.  I don't recall the time.

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Graduate Student - Computer Science Education   |  chasing the beast is easier
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From: mp@sparcler.cc.ncsu.edu (Manoj Kumar Patel)
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:46:43 GMT

morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes:

>In article <1992Oct10.205912.288@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JonaX) tempts the football gods with:
>>
>>Well...the score with  less than 2 minutes left in the first half 
>>               VIRGINIA 28 to CLEMSON's 0 !!!!!!!
>>
>>Looks like Virginia will be seeing a lot more national coverage...

>You fool!  How could you?  Don't you know that Oliver's Woofing Theorem
>holds, even after the start of the game?!?

>Now the football gods will smite Virginia down, not letting them score
>another point in the entire game and giving Clemson their biggest comeback
>in school history.  

>Oh, these amateurs...

>:-)

>-- 
>Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science

I think you posted this during halftime, pretty good call Bryan.

   Manoj
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Subject: Re: OSU Falls to Wisconsin!!
From: copus@pa621a.inland.com
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:06:34 CDT
 <1992Oct5.144130.13698@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <BvnzLD.687@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
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In article <BvnzLD.687@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.144130.13698@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>>Patrick W Lauson writes:
>>
>>>Actually, if OSU wins the rest of their games up to Michigan, then the game
>>>will indeed be for the Roses.  If OSU doesn't win all their games up to
>>>Michigan, its unlikely they will be 2nd in the Big 10...
>>
>>I was thinking that too, but then I looked at the schedule.  Wisconsin does not
>>play Michigan this year.  That means that if Barry Alvarez can keep the 
>>emotions running high in Madison we may see the Badgers  in Pasadena on NYD!  
>>Maybe not, but Wisconsin is in a very strong position to go bowling.
> 
> 	Why not send them to Pasadena?  Hell, they just played the Huskies
> 	much tougher in Seattle than Michigan ever does in Pasadena!
> 
> 	Wisconsin has a defensive guru (Alvarez) as a head coach, and a
> 	couple of Mike White's Illinois coaching refugees on offense
> 	(Remember White? - Big cheater, but an offensive genius and Bill
> 	Walsh disciple).  If he keeps it clean up there (this could be a
> 	big if), and with that fandom there ready to burst, Wisconsin could
> 	become a power.  Those 72,000 sounded louder than any 104,000
> 	or 90,000 I've ever heard in Ann Arbor or Columbus, respectively...
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^

        Really Randy? How many crowd noise penalties have been handed out
        in Madison?

        Len

> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------
> | Randy Peppler               |
> | Illinois State Water Survey |
> | peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
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From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: OU-CU on tv (was: Re: Big 8 Review(10-13-92))
Keywords: ESPN
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:14:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.161940.9614@den.mmc.com>, kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
(Kevin Rodgers) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.175544.8484@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
> (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct13.073941@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D.
> Davis) writes:
> >>Sat(10-17)
> >>        OU @ CU
> >         ^^^^^^^          7:30 (MDT) ESPN
> 
> I can program the VCR, I just can't read the tv schedule (ask my wife).
> The game is at 7:30 EDT/6:30 CDT/5:30 MDT/4:30 PDT.  On ESPN.  Really.

FYI:

OU lost Greg Wilkins for the season....Joe Correa, Cedric Jones, Reggie
Barnes, PJ Mills are 1/2 or less.

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
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