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From: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia m tou mfen stnt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: My ferret doesnt like linatone
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:49:40 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <set.703363365@harry.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> set@cis.ksu.edu (Toaster Man) writes:
>Ok I just got back for the vet.  From taking my skinny ferret thier.  Everythingis fine with him but he has a slightly mal-nutritioned ferret.. So she suggestedlinatone to me.. Which I went out and bought, but Smokey doens't like it.
>I've put it in his food and he then doenst eat the food.. arrrgggg picky, picky
>ferrets..
>
>any suggestions?
>
>
>-Steve tietze
>
>owner of Smokey + Bear.

Whenever I have to  feed my ferrets something they hate (medicine like
pediapred for their insulinoma), I usually just scruff them by the neck,
stick the syringe in their mouths and slowly inject it.  I'm not sure
what form linatone comes in.  If it is like nutrical, try adding it to
something they go nuts over; in my case bananas, pears, peanut butter 
and Meow-Mix.

-- sylvia tou, owned by Felix and Matilda
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: looking for ringtailed lemurs
Date: 13 Apr 1992 16:28:34 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <_#6tpbn@rpi.edu> schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.003905.1@vax.sonoma.edu> mertes@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>		help!
>>I am looking for any information on obtaining a "RINGTAILED LEMUR" legally,
>>born in captivity, or hawks, and falcons.. If anyone has any info 
>>regarding this I would appreciate a post... I am a biology major at 
>>Sonoma State University, 
>>
>If you want the lemur as a pet, don't.  I've heard of only two people
>who kept them and both were nearly killed.  Ringtails seem to have a
>natural tendency to rip a major artery right out of the leg.  
>
>If you need it for behavioral study, try going through your local zoo.
>If they won't let you use theirs, or if they have none, they may be able 
>to tell you of another zoo that does have some they are willing to sell.
>Make sure you know what you are getting into, they are extremely dangerous
>and unpredictable animals. Also make sure you have all the facilities 
>you need to care for them, including a cage large enough for the lemur
>to live in, plenty of things for it to climb on, and a vet experienced in
>exotics at least, if not a primate specialist.  
>
ne more thing: you should know that all Madagasgar's fauna are endangered
or worse--you are taking on a _huge_ responsibility to care for a critter
who is one of only a few of its kind.

Ruth


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From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: Killer Bunny
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:19:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.105459.7621@bmerh2.bnr.ca>, myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr15.183901.18053@julian.uwo.ca> cboyd@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Cameron Boyd) writes:
> >getting steadily worse.  He doesn't pee (at least not as much as he did
> >before the operation), but he bites, and he only bites me, not my
> >girlfriend.  He does it without provocation, that I can see.  This is more
> >than just a warning "nip".  He throws himself full force at my hand.
> >Much of the time he's ok, but it's generally not safe for me to reach into his
> >cage without first getting ahold of his neck, and he seems to see me as a threat
> >outside the cage, and will attack my hand if extended to him. 
> 
> I strongly suggest you bring them out of their cages permanently, and
> allow them to become house rabbits, like indoor cats. Rabbits naturally
> toilet train, and are extremely clean animals. Your reaching into its
> cage to grab it by the neck is probably seen as a dangerous (to the
> rabbit) maneuver hence the rabbit has to take precautionary action,
> hence it bites your hand. Just get rid of the cage.

I don't agree with getting rid of the cage.  Many rabbits have electrocuted themselves
while chewing on electric wires while their owners were away.  A cage is very much a
necessity.

I'm not sure how much experience you have with rabbits, but I've owned rabbits
for ten years and have experienced alot of different temperaments.  Some of them
are just plain mean.  Viscious is the word.  As in... attack rabbit.  I had one
of these.  He was dangerous, and would literally throw himself at me while
biting!  Unfortunately, I really had no choice but to put him to sleep.  There's
no way I would have tried to rub noses with him, or he would've bitten my face
off.  If we didn't have some way to confine him, I wouldn't have felt safe in my
own house!

-Eve
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: RE: Rabid Ferret question
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:25:01 GMT
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu

Ok, nobody "bit" on my rabid ferret question, so here's the rather longish
answer.

I wrote:
>Here's a good question from a public health exam I had today.  A 10 month
>old ferret vaccinated with with Pittman-Moore's IMRAB vaccine at age
>3 mo. bites a neighbor's child.  You are the veterinarian who did the
>vaccination.  The neighbor now is convinced her child will contract
>rabies.

>What do you do?

Although one would hope that the ferret rabies vaccine would simplify the
questions that arise around issues of rabid ferrets, it doesn't.  The Compendium
of Animal Rabies Control, 1992, is used by many states as law regarding rabies.
Here's what it says concerning this case:

 "The period of rabies virus shedding in infected wild or exotic animals
(including ferrets) is unknown; therefore, confinement and observations of those
animals that bite human beings are not appropriate"  [the "(including ferrets)"
is part of the Compendium, not my parentheses]

The confinement/observation period is the ten day period in which it is
established dogs or cats will exhibit clinical rabies if they in fact are rabid
and infective at the time of a bite.  Apparently the writers of the compendium
feel there is insufficient evidence to establish a similar period for ferrets.

There is hope, however.  In another section of the Compendium, under "Management
of animals that bite human beings", it says:  "Management of animals other than
dogs and cats depends on the species, the circumstances of the bite, and the
epidemiology of rabies in the area."

Basically here is a clause that leaves it to professional judgement.  In real
life, it would also involve the politics and persuasion of individuals.  Those
individuals would include public health officials, and at least one veterinarian
and physician.  Also included might be some lawyers.  If push came to shove, one
might be forced to sacrifice the ferret for rabies analysis, if one lived in an
endemic area and there were sufficient suspicion of whether the ferret could
have possibly been exposed.

My sense is that ferret owners often allow their animals to roam free indoors,
but that it is rare for someone to let their ferret outside alone.  This alone
could be strong argument in a legal case of possible ferret rabies - how could
the ferret have contracted rabies?  Also, the vaccination, you say.
Unfortunately the ferret vaccine is not quite as good as that used for dogs and
cats.  It is alledgedly only about 80% effective in preventing rabies infection.
But nonetheless, it is an added argument in favor of the ferret in a case like
this.

-Jeff
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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: Thanx
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:46:14 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.2.702659435.mgsellma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Mark A Gsellman <mgsellma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> 
> I do have another question about ferrets though.  I was wondering how they
> get along with a dog, they do at all!?
> 
> 
It depends on the dog.  My mixed chow is great with ferrets.  She's very
gentle when she wrestles with them, always careful that she doesn't accidently
hurt them.  I have taken many photos of her "dancing" with my ferrets.

But my shepherd decided ferrets are for eating.  One bad morning my ferret
got loose and my shepherd got him by the tail--and ripped it right off.  I
had to make an emergency trip to the vet, which resulted in my ferret having
to get the rest of his tail amputated.

So, my advice is, be very careful!
From: qhwpyd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Cynthia Goff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Potty training and African ringnecks
Keywords: How to and info
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:32:11 GMT
Distribution: usa


     Yes you can potty train a bird BUT you must be very consistent.  It
also works better with bigger birds.  I started our male 'tiel, Galen,
but only had a small amount of success.
     Currently, our Goffin's cockatoo, Baxter, is being potty trained.
When we would see her potty in her cage, we would say doodle.  Then after
she was picked up to come out to play the first thing we did once she was    
outside her cage was to say "doodle".  If she didn't, we would try again
not too long afterwards.  If she did, she received lavish amounts of praise
and a thorough petting.  Remember she is a cockatoo and is an attention
sink.  Petting was the ultimate reward for her.  We would not always take
her back to her cage if she didn't doodle the first time but instead put
her over a piece of newspaper or wastebasket.  This way if you're at the 
vet's office or groomer's they will doodle for you without their cage.
She will now get on your hand and do her baby sway thing if she has to doodle
while she is out playing.  Accidents still happen but not nearly as often.
     At one time we had thought of purchasing a ringneck.  The breeder had 
been breeding them for years.  He said they can be fairly good talkers and 
are relatively quiet.  He also said to keep them tame and friendly they must
have daily handling and playing with to a greater extent than some of the
other types of pet birds.  All of his birds were hand raised.  We got vibes
from him that you stand a greater chance with them than others for their
tameness to decrease or for them to go sort of wild.  The breeder had 'keets,
'tiels, conures, moustache parakeets and I think plum heads as well.
Cindy Goff
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Button Quail
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:43:33 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <2223@bcstec.boeing.com> From: ackerman@bcstec.boeing.com (Ron Ackermann)


> We are planning on getting some button quail to forage around the
> bottom of our cockatiel/love bird cage (2'x4' floor area, 4 feet high).
> We have talked to several people who have done this in the past, and
> all said it worked great.  However, before we commit ourselves I wanted
> to check the net wisdom on this subject.  Does anyone have any advice/
> info on this arrangement?  What should we feed them in addition to the
> seed that is dropped by the 'tiels/love birds?  Do they need toys for
> entertainment like the 'tiels?  How many should we get (a foursome
> so they can get up a hand of bridge? :-) )?

> The cage currently holds 3 cockatiels and 2 love birds, all of them
> hand fed and tame.  They have lived together for 3 years with no
> problems.

I would guess that the seed would be contaminated by the droppings from
the birds above so I would not advise this.

Tiels and Love Birds together?
I have never heard of this working out before.

Tiels and Parakeets, yes
Love Birds and Parakeets, yes
Tiels and Love Birds, no

My love birds are hand raised babies and they do not get along with
the cockitiels; love birds are bullies by nature is my guess.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: rac@sherpa.uucp (Roger Cornelius)
Subject: Re: Looking for Cockatoo Book(s)
Reply-To: rac@sherpa.UUCP
Organization: Personal System Computing :-) Gulfport, FL
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 15:07:45 GMT

chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
> Can anyone in net-land recommend some good books on cockatoos?
> We have plenty of parrot books, but they tend to "gloss over" cockatoos.
> The bird health books (e.g. Gallerstein) don't offer much specialized
> advice either.
> 
> Just FYI, it's for a citron-crested cockatoo.
> 
> Thanks in advance,

In addition to the two other Cockatoo specific books already mentioned,
there is the Barron book "Cockatoos - A Complete Pet Owner's Manual".
This is a small, inexpensive book, and contrary to it's title, it
doesn't even mention some of the Cockatoo species.  In particular, the
Citron Crested isn't discussed.

Roger
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bhtongue@highlander.Berkeley.EDU (Benson H Tongue)
Subject: Cockatiel behavior
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:38:30 GMT

Hi group. I've got a quick question vis a vis cockatiels. My young
bird (under a year) has started a new behavior. He (she) (I'm not
sure yet since it's a cinnamon so the coloration clues aren't
definitive) gets down off of my shoulder onto the dining room table
and walks around. He (she) keeps his (her) body low with the crest
down against his (her) head, spreads his (her) wings slightly away
from his (her) body and bobs his (her) head up and down as he (she)
walks. This behavior is probably a major clue to his (her) sex. So
how about it. Does this tell me whether I've got a male or female?
Thanks
Benson
From: kathyj@gatecom.UUCP (kathy johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Ronco ConureAlarm (tm) System!
Keywords: Loud, Louder, Loudest!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:26:37 EDT
Organization: Gateway Communication Inc.

Sorry about that, I said I was new...anyway, your Jenday sounds just like MY 
Jenday, Rio the original bird from Hell.  JinJin will outgrow the behavior, 
but only if you put your foot down NOW and make her stop. Put her cage in a 
room where you can close the blinds, cover her cage and IGNORE HER. If she 
screams when she shouldn't, DO NOT go in there, do not speak to her, do not 
go near the room or the cage until you are ready to. If you go in every time 
she screams, she will learn that screaming calls you when she wants you, and 
you'll never sleep again (trust me, I learned this the hard way). This 
method of training requires consistency--never go to her when she screams at 
any time of day. Wait till she is quiet or talks (if she does), then go pick 
her up or feed her or whatever. If you are consistent about this, she will 
learn to be quiet because quiet gets your attention. Good luck!
From: Sue.Kobel@bird.com (Sue Kobel)
Sender: FredMail@bird.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: COCKATIEL BEHAVIOR
Date: 15 Apr 92  19:44:20 EST


 > From: bhtongue@highlander.Berkeley.EDU (Benson H Tongue)

 > off of my shoulder onto the dining room table
 > and walks around. He (she) keeps his (her) body low with the crest
 > down against his (her) head, spreads his (her) wings slightly away
 > from his (her) body and bobs his (her) head up and down as he (she)
 > walks. This behavior is probably a major clue to his (her) sex. So

 My males do this alot, particularly when there is a female around.  It is
often accompanied by a lot of whistling in a 2 note, up/down tune.  Sometimes,
they add little hops as well.
 * Origin: Bird Info Network Gateway 303-423-9775 (1:104/234)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: Are pistachios poisionous to birds?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:26:28 GMT

In article <2038@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
> 
> 
> My beautiful hand-raised yellow-faced mutant peach-faced love bird
> Spunky died yesterday!  He was fine and chirpy the previous day and
> ate the normal amounts of food (baby food) and pellets.
> 
 Any ideas?
> -- 

Hi Glenn.  I am truly sorry about your loss.  Whenever I lose a bird, I not
only get miserable, but I get mad (at my imagined negligence).  Can't
answer your question, but I sure hope that you sent Spunky to the vet for an
autopsy--they usually don't cost more than $50--and could tell you some
valuable information.

Net folks,
if you love your bird, then at least care for it enough to give it an autopsy
when it dies.  Otherwise, you may be wondering for the rest of your life just
what killed it...

-Eve
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino)
Subject: Re: birds in walmart
Organization: The Ohio State University
.path: bmartino
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:50:40 GMT

     Um....

     Actually, guys, I ment "do you think the story I told about
mass breeding and shipping of birds is true?"
     I don't really much like the idea of vandalism as a way to
make a point.  In Columbus (and some other cities) there is a
group of radically active homosexuals who call themselves "Queer
Nation."  They use the floressent can't-be-removed-without-
sandblasting stickers which appear all over campus and other
parts of the city whenever anything happens which they don't like.
It only really causes resentment that I can see.  Let's not
give up the moral high-ground
     By the by, I am NOT an animal rights person.  God gave us
control of the earth and we are free to use the critters that
inhabit it.  I do *NOT*, however, think that this gives us the
right to abuse animals.  Sure, eat steak and do research if it's
worthwile.  Don't cause suffering just for dough.  Besides that,
it's unfair to the person who buys the bird in ignorance of
what they're getting.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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! bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  !                  -Descartes          !
!                                     !  "I am that I am."                   !
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!                                     !                  -V.P. Dan Quayle    !
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From: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: bird needs adoption
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:55:45 GMT
Reply-To: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Followup-To: robin newlund
Organization: vitalink communication corp an nsc company

Dear People -
this is my first time on the internet and I hope this gets through. There is
a parakeet at McCloud's Pet Emporium in Fremont CA that desparately needs
a loving home and special care. It has hip dysplasia (forgive the spelling).
I'd love to take it home with me but I have a parakeet who is very agressive
and wouldn't give this poor little tyke a chance to breath, plus we are buying
an eclectus this weekend. If anyone can adopt this bird and give it the love
and gentle care it needs I'll be happy to make a donation towards buying a 
cage and it's purchse price. I want it to have a chance to lead a happy life,
and I truely believe it can make a good pet. I've seen a cockateil like this 
before and it was a wonderful pet. Maybe it just needs a special cage and a
ladder to rest on instead of a perch, even though it was sitting in a perch.
I can be reached at 510-745-6056. I hope there is a tender hearted person out
there who can help. You know pet stores - if you can't make a profit......

robin l newlund
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: HELP!..feather repost please
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:34:07 GMT

In article <68250004@col.hp.com> billc@col.hp.com (Bill Claussen) writes:
>
>A few days ago, someone posted some information about
>a medicine (or vitaman) to help promote feather growth.
>
>Unfortunatly the note dissapeared before I had a chance
>to print it out.
>
>Could whoever posted it repost it for me?...I'd really
>appreciate it.
>
>Bill C.
>

Nekton-bio promotes feather growth, or so I have been advised
by people who seem to know what they are doing with the birdos.

Doug

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: hubler@galaxy.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler)
Subject: Re: birds in walmart
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:42:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.215328.12228@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> bkelley@pms704.pms.ford.com (Brian Kelley) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.162448.17766@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr10.183535.181@unx.sas.com> sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com (Edith
>> Jeffreys) writes:
>>     I am appalled at this practice.
>
>It is very depressing.  I generally avoid the bird sections at those types
>of stores :-(
>
>>What do you guys think?
>
>Initially, I didn't have any good ideas on how to improve this situation.
>However, I just thought of something that just might help.  How about
>some paper stickers (the kind that really don't like to come off) which
>read something like 
>"BOYCOTT POORLY TREATED MASS MERCHANDISED BIRDS - BUY DIRECT FROM BREEDERS
>AND PET STORES!"
>
>
>Surely this is a rather radical suggestion, but this really bugs me.
>
>  Brian
>
I think it's a great suggestion.  Bumper sticker sized in bright
orange!  With real strong glue.  My list of stores.

Marc's 
Sun Electronics (formerly Home Centers)
Woolworths

and one of the most inappropriate places;

Children's Palace!

Happily they have discontinued this I believe, but a couple of
years ago they were selling cockatiels in a toy store!

Dale
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Progress marches on, trampling everything in its path.
From: sh4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steve Ha)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Need Advice
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:20:40 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm thinking about buying a bird as a pet, of course.  Since it's my
first time, can anyone please give me any recomandation on species? 
Thanks for your time.

                                                            - Steven -