HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bob@arx.adp.wisc.edu (Bob Mikrut)
Subject: Expecting Too Much??
Reply-To: bob@rags.adp.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:02:27 GMT

Don't know, I might expect too much and therefore see things
in the show that aren't there.

I think, that in the episode "Lost and Found", something 
interesting but understated happens at the end.  
It's the one where Joel's house is haunted and he's freaked out at
first.  He wants to get rid of it but ends up learning more about
the dead guy and even identifying with it.  So the show ends with Joel
throwing a party for everyone.

Well, in the party scene, I started to expect that when the photo that 
Holling took of the group was exposed, it would show the ghost.
But I think they did the opposite.  I believe that when the photo was
being taken, the ghost was right behind Maurice but when the photos
were shown during the credits, the ghost was missing.

Anyway, I taped the repeat this summer and yes, the photo scene had
a person behind Maurice who wasn't there in the final photos shown 
during credits.
What I'm not sure of is, if it's intentional.  It could be just 
a continuity problem during production.  I like to think, though,
that it's a conscious decision by whoever.  It'd be a nice touch.
Like the ghost is laid to rest finally - he appears at the party 
but then leaves house and environs for where ever.
It would also be a clever where to reverse a pretty tired cliche.

What say?  Any thoughts on the case??


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From: dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 05:28:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) writes:


>	Yeah, sure you might attribute that to the creativity of the
>writers, but it seemed like an incredible cop-out to me.  I mean, I think
>the NX writers are talented enough to resolve the Maurice-Russian Guy duel
>withou resorting to something so cheesy.
>	Although the actors did deliver it well.

Since most of us saw just this episode tonight, I've got a
pertinent question:  When did this show originally air?

My SO says he thought he saw a copyright date of '89, but I can't
believe NorEx was on the air in the 89-90 season. That would make
last year's 91-92 season its third year. I'm very confused about
when NorEx was first shown and its various statuses throughout
the years (summer replacement, etc.). Any show historians out
there are invited to clue me in!
-- 
 Donna S. Lee // EC Technology // dslee@netcom.com
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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:10:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.012238.15277@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:
>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?

	It's just great. Need I say more?

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* From: James B     * "Life is a diamond you turn into dust."                 *
* jamesb@nevada.edu *                                       -- N. Peart       *
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: trip to Cicely
Keywords: Rosalyn
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 21:20:55 GMT

An interesting show.
Not every episode is "perfect" but it's the fact they try.
I'm waiting for an episode with Robin Leech making a voice over/appearance
like Thirtysomething.  It'll happen, I can feel it in my bones. 8^)

I think the only thing about the show which disturbs me is that it does not
look like Alaska.  The trees are far too tall and dense.  The roads in town are
paved.  Few towns in Alaska are like that, but the majority of Americans
haven't been there, so they can afford to suspend their disbelief.
The angle of the lighting isn't quite like Alaska.

We have two Alaskan women (one of whom has a mother who edits Mile Post
Magazine).  So it is clear that the characters are charactures, and I think
that's part of the fun.  No episode stands out or character stands out
(Eve is particularly interesting, and I have a pretty good feel for what plane
trouble in Alaska means for the one episode which covered that).
Each character has neat points and not so neat points.

Alaska has an interesting/unusual quality, but the frontier is pretty much
gone.  Not enough flying in the TV program in a place where flying is life.
Too much driving.  They need more episodes in the dark.

Observations by those actually living in Alaska and watching the show would be
most interesting.

Back to disbelief suspension. 8^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
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From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
	<92252.163110C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:53:33 GMT

C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu writes:

> Without a doubt, my favorite episode has to be (forgive me, I don't know the
>   proper title, so I'll use a Chris quote) "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Circus
>   Has Come To Town."

> A few notes/questions about this episode:

>   3) How much of the quantum physics material in the script was accurate?  It
>      sounded right to me, but my grounding in QM is rather limited.

The NX writers got a lot of mileage out of buzzwords like "Copenhagen
Interpretation" and "Many Worlds".  In fact, none of the magic tricks
shown in the show could have been based on QM (especially the
dartboard trick, in which the writers appeal to the Many Worlds
interpretation of QM).  I'm amazed that the writers managed to get so
much legitimate Quantum Mechanics into the show at all.  Hollywood
usually does science on TV very badly.  Once again, NX proved to be
the exception to the rule.
--
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From: stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: ingr
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:11:39 GMT

Sue Stigleman writes:

>I haven't seen a TV show yet where
>the children added to the show instead of taking it over.

This may be true.  However, I rented "My Girl" the other night and thought
that all these characters could have easily been translated to
Cicely, AK.  Let's hear it for a widowed mortician moving to Cicely with his
hypochondriac 11-year old daughter who cannot deal with death in any rational
way and his mother who is comatose except for her occasional "night club act"
for funeral audiences!

Todd Stevens
stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com
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From: bubba@guitar-slim.cs.unlv.edu (Kenneth B. Been)
Subject: Shakespeare
Reply-To: bubba@guitar-slim.cs.unlv.edu (Kenneth B. Been)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 00:42:49 GMT


Has anyone read (or seen) the play "As You Like It"?  (I hope I am remembering the right play.  Anyway, it's the one where Rosalind's secret admirer is carving up all the trees in the forest with love poems.)

It occurred to me that "Roslyn" and "Cicely", from Northern Exposure, may be allusions to "Rosalind" and "Celia" from As You Like It.  Rosalind and Celia dress up like men -- in fact, pretend to be men -- and go out into the "wild" woods.  Roslyn and Cicely are lesbians who go out to "wild" Alaska.

Am I way off base?  Does anyone care?

In any case, this is my chance to plug As You Like It.  If there are any high school english teachers out there.... I've always thought it was a shame that high school kids are introduced to Shakespeare through difficult plays like Hamlet and Macbeth, instead of fun, lighthearted comedies that they could really get into.

kbb
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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 05:12:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) writes:

>gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>>Personally I felt that the episode was an interesting statement on the
>>male understanding (or lack thereof) of the female.  If we get agressive
>>(Maggie wanted Joel to "have her" while she was asleep) then we are
>>uncontrolled animals who only think with our genitals.  If we are passive
>>we get accused of being gay, uninterested, or boring.  In this case
>>Joel respected Maggie and she threw a fit over it.  Don't get me wrong, I
>>enjoyed the humor of the episode.  I just think it was at the expense of a
>>serious women's issue - date rape.

>I agree--I was shocked when Joel asked Maggie if she would rather
>he just went ahead and have sex with her while she was sleeping
>and she said YES!  She equated with his respect for her with a
>lack of desire, and that to me did not seem a natural response for
>a woman of today to make.  An unconscious person is incapable of
>giving her consent.

I found this a bit irresponsible on the part of the writers.  Date rape
is something that's serious and I don't think it should be played for
laughs.

Yes, it's just a tv show.  I love the fact that it's quirky.  Still, I
think a little responsibility in some areas is a good thing.

Sue :)

-- 
-----------------
Sue Clark
clark@netcom.com
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From: saiki@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eileen Saiki)
Subject: Re: Cast members
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:22:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.063849.13165@ssc.wa.com>, tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook) writes:

|> >
|> >> Rick Pederson            Grant Goodeve
|> >
|> >Didn't he play the "older brother" character on Eight is Enough?
|> 
|> 
|> Who is Rick Pederson?  I can't place this character, for some
|> reason.

    Maggie's ill fate boyfriend who died when a satellite hit him
    in the last episode of the "second" season ("Slow Dance").
    He was in a number of episodes before his unfortunate ending.
     Poor Rick!

|> >
|> >
|> >Don't forget Adam, played by Adam Arkin (I think). 

     Forgot Eve!! (How could we?? She recieved an emmy for her role!)

		Valerie Mahaffey  
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From: alexho@microsoft.com (Alex Howerton)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:18:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep10.125607.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <1992Sep09.180717.6528@microsoft.com>, alexho@microsoft.com 
>(Alex Howerton) writes:
>
>> college; I've been there done that, and got the T-shirt.  But now I see 
>> him as a mirror of my part of a psyche that is intellectually immature, but 
>> still tries to impress people with what I think I know.  
>
>Woooooooaaaahhhh!  Chris is intellectually immature, and is just trying to 
>impress people with his musings?  I really have to say I think you've missed
>this character by a long shot.  (But actually who am I to say?  Characters
>can of course mean different things to different people)
>
>I think Chris is right on the ball.  I think he learns and thinks for the act
>itself.  He certainly wasn't reading and learning all that stuff in prison
>to impress his fellow inmates!  (Why was he in prison anyway?)  He is a true
>intellectual, he's not in the academic world where many people lose their 
>reasons for learning.  (Ie. prestige and power struggles are far too common)
>
>I think he would muse on the air even if no one listened.  (Of course Maurice
>wouldn't be too happy)  And I think all of his words come striaght from his 
>inner self, which he sees as on a constant voyage of exploring the inner psyche 
>and learning more about the world around us...
Have you read Campbell and Nietzche and Jung and Freud and all the other 
stuff Chris quotes? I'm sure you have, and I have too. Chris' musings
are not from his soul, but are watered down Cliff's notes versions of
this stuff. If you haven't heard it before, you'll say "wow, deep!"
But if you have read it, like I'm sure many NX fans have, you say "So...?"
My wife says Chris reminds her of someone she dated in college, who
instead of answering a question or saying how he felt, would quote a line
from Thoreau or Whitman or whatever Great Thinker was in has head at 
the moment. Again, that's why I like the Chris character; I love to 
get mad at him for what I'd rather not acknowledge about myself.
From: schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu (Robert Schmunk)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: The Length of Joel's Stay in Cicely
Keywords: Joel
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:51:14 GMT
Reply-To: schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu (Robert Schmunk)
Organization: Dept. of Space Physics, Rice University, Houston TX

On the subject of when Joel arrived in Cicely, sometime around June
1990 would be appropriate. It's my recollection that in the "Spring
Break" episode, when everyone's libidos were running in overdrive,
there is a comment made that Joel has not had sex since he arrived
in town ten months before. Perhaps someone with a videotape collection
could confirm.

-- 
Robert B. Schmunk <schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu>
SPAC, Rice Univ, Box 1892, Houston, TX 77251 USA -- (713) 527-4939
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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure book
Organization: very little
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 04:58:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.011929.4608@cs.yale.edu> bloom-debbie@CS.YALE.EDU (Deborah Faith Berman) writes:
>In article <08nnbc.dslee@netcom.com> dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:
>
>>
>>BTW, I'm delighted to see this newsgroup come into
>>existence--it's about damn time! Let's all get together for a
>>road trip to Seattle!
>>-- 
>> Donna S. Lee // EC Technology // dslee@netcom.com
>
>I can't wait to get the book!  I am also happy with the existence
>of this newsgroup.  But I think you mean Roslyn.  I live in Seattle,
>and they definitely don't film the show here.  But it's a great place
>to visit anyway!  And Roslyn isn't *that* far away.
>

Actually, not much is filmed in Roslyn.  The exterior shots of the
town that you see in the opening sequence are filmed there, but
all of the interiors are shot in a studio built in an industrial
park in Redmond.  A lot of the outdoor shots are done in East
King County, which is a lot closer to Redmond than going clear
east of the mountains to Roslyn.

My mom teaches at a private school in Bellevue where Barry
Corbin (Maurice on the show) sends his kid.  She and several
people from the school have been to the studio in Redmond
and watched them shoot.

A guy I work with (I work in Redmond near Microsoft) lives in
North Bend, and has seen them shooting out in the woods several
times near his home.

(for folks out of state, Redmond is a suburb of Seattle to the
east, and North Bend is southeast of Seattle.  Roslyn is on the
other side of the Cascade mountain range.)

Well, gotta go....its Monday night, almost 10pm, and its time
to visit Cicely!

>


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From: gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:16:20 GMT

My question is: With so many good episodes to choose from, why did the network 
rerun one of the weakest? And one of the earliest, when characters weren't as 
developed, etc.?

I was astonished when I saw that it was going to be rerun because I remember
being so disturbed by the "out of character" sequence when it first was shown, 
and figured it would be dropped from contention as a rerun.

Gemma McLuckie
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From: kaveh@ms.uky.edu (Kaveh Baharestan)
Subject: Favorite Scenes
Keywords: Scenes FX
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:14:11 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Ave Maria (christmas)
Eskimo Mythology Play (christmas)
Chris and his brothers dream
Joel and Freud in the Jail cell
	(instead of Joel and Ben Dover in the jail cell.)
Eds Film
Maggie and Store Keeper at the bridal shower..
The Baquet (sp?) hitting the ground at the wedding
	(yesss!)
Ed and Store Keeper Dancing on her grave
Anything form the Flash back episode.
Marice Crashing His car and explaining it to Joel
Joel and Maggie in the Kitchen during the Spring Thow 
		episode
In fact Anytime Joel and Maggie Get close or kiss
The Cook telling Maggie Joels Future and then hers
	(You... You will have lots of cats...)
The Piano Fling.. and when Ed tells chris that
	the cow fling was done by Monty-Pythone
Maggies Mother (intentionally) crisping her house.
Ed meeting his father
Joel Being named "Heals-with-Tools"
Truth and Fact when the Community decides about the
	body on ice.

Joel Making his speach at the conference.
Opening the Package that went around the world.
	The thermometer as a multiple symbol of
	Cicely

Maggie and Joel when the plane goes down..
	Especially when Joel fixes it!!!
-- 
/-  Kaveh Baharestan                               -==================|>=====o\
|"Though your lips are tempting, They're the wrong lips, They're not her lips |
| but they're such tempting lips That if some night you're free, Dear...      |
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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: very little
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.113546.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <1992Sep08.062058.24968@ssc.wa.com>, tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook):
>
>> The writing is great, with a lot of zany twists that operate on
>> several levels.  They are always coming up with something completely
>> unexpected, like the story about Jean Paul Sarte having supposedly
>> lived in Cicely...
>
>Do you mean "Joel" as Fraz Kafka?  Or am I missing something?
>

Yep, thats the one.  I was scratching my head and just couldn't
remember Kafka.


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From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Date: 8 Sep 1992 23:32:09 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: muleshoe.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: life, flinging, cow, piano

In article <1992Sep8.190311.14585@indetech.com> alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North) writes:

[About the piano-flinging episode]

>I have no problem with someone doing something entirely weird, but 
>the idea that he originally wanted to fling a living creature (resulting 
>in death) for fun is disgusting, and because of that, I found this 
>episode repulsing.

I'll see your cow and raise you a piano.

I find the thought of flinging a living creature repulsive, too.
But I'm also rather fond of pianos.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
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From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:46:50

And now for something completely different,
in regard to the Joel/Maggie question:

I think their high school level relationship
is absolutely the weakest part of an otherwise
incredible show.  Maggie's character needs some
eccentric maturity (she exhibits little of the
judgment and confidence of a bush pilot); a more
mature Maggie would play much better against Joel's
unresolved libido than does the semi-flake Maggie.

(BTW, I believe the actress that plays Maggie (sorry
can't remember her name right now) is a very attractive
woman, but, not to ignite you Maggie lovers out there,
a mariginal actress.  Possibly the main reason I don't
care for the character Maggie is how weakly she is played.
I saw her on the Tonight Show and there is just not enough 
distance between her and Maggie.)

Just another opinion; asbestos keyboard ready. ;-)


jeff

feitctaj

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From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Subject: Re: Best episode- Cicily and Rosalyn
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:31:47 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

On a recent business trip to Seattle I made a side trip to Rosyln. It's
about an hour and change east of town. Very small town, without a map
you'd never find it.
 
You can actually have a beer in the Brick, it's the oldest operating
tavern in the state of Washington. You can peek in the window of the 
radio station. You can sometimes go into the general store, etc..
 
Very neat. Looks just like the show. I would like to know where they
shoot the indoor scenes? I didn't see any studio like buildings locally
so wonder if they are shot elsewhere.



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From: wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT)
Subject: Cast members
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:06:00 GMT

Several names are flashed during the opening sequence, but I'm having a hard
time matching them up with characters in the show.  Could someone please post a
list of characters in the show and the names of the actors portraying them?

Thanks,

Kent Leverich
WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
From: jen@savanna.Berkeley.EDU (Jennifer L. Corkill)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Adam Arkin (not Alan Arkin)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 15:41:32 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: savanna.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep9.100653.10426@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Bob Montante" <bobmon@sandshark.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

>Excuse me, but that's Adam Arkin playing "Adam".  I gotta believe
>he is Alan Arkin's son.  (Looks like... sounds like...)

He is.  He's the elder of (at least) two brothers - Adam and Matt,
sons of Alan.



-- 

Jen Corkill			jen@savanna.berkeley.edu
U.C. Berkeley
From: jeff@cns.nyu.edu (Jeff Fookson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:10:35 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University, Center for Neural Science

An additional nice touch in the very lyrical motion of the piano through the air was
the 2001 reference therein.
 Jeff Fookson
 jeff@cns.nyu.edu
From: dyer@gamma.is.tcu.edu (Daryl Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: test
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:27:00 GMT
Organization: Texas Christian University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just trying to see if I can post to this really great group.
ne is my all time best liked show and hope this will be best
group

Daryl
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