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From:         Vern Cole -- Systems Manager <COLEVE@CC.UVCC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: VMS DECWINDOWS MOTIF 1

Andrew Potter writes:
 >Bravo!   I have had precisely the same concerns about DEC and the corporate
>beaurocracies that that I have seen creep into the organization over the years.
>Although we have not had problems with our local sales and  service people
>(They always want to seem to help, but they seem hampered by a lack of support
>from above), [...]

So they fire<del><del><del><del>lay off about half of thier local sales and
service people to save money and keep the same lack-of-supporters above them as
before.  Not a good way to keep customers (or market share).

>Finally, although in this specific case the problem is Motif, the illness
>extends beyond Motif into the very corporate fabric of DEC.

Indeed, this has been a great concern to me, and I think many others.  DEC is
my favorite software company who also sells hardware.  I hope they can kill
enough of the middle level beaurocracy that they can survive and continue to
fill the leadership role they have developed in the software industry.

-- Vern Cole -- Systems Manager -- Utah Valley Community College --

P.S.: some DECie please send this up for Ken to see.
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From:         CHARLIE@ISIS.MIT.EDU
Subject:      vax/decstation motif license bundling
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Since the OSF Motif license currently ships with VAXstation and DECstation
packaged systems, and the license is royalty, it's important that I know
precisely when DEC started including the Motif license in this manner.

As I understand it, this bundling took place with VMS V5.5 and
Ultrix V4.2C.  Am I correct?  Would anyone happen to have dates when
this occurred?  It's particularly important in the case of Ultrix,
since most all my VMS/ESL customers received the motif license grant last year,
whereas no such grant was extended for Ultrix and many of my DECstation
customers will have to purchase the UWS license under the EMB.

Charlie Fulton, MIT Computer Services
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From:         Vern Cole -- Systems Manager <COLEVE@CC.UVCC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ESL SUPPORT FOR DECWINDOWS MOTIF CLARIFICATION

>
>Updates are always purchased separately - if Motif is not on the CONDIST, then
>you will have to purchase MDDS.
>
>Linda Testa
>ESL Program Manager
>Digital Equipment Corporation

Please translate the DECism "MDDS."

It's not in my vocabulary.
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Subject:      Re: ESL SUPPORT FOR DECWINDOWS MOTIF CLARIFICATION

Media and DOcumentation Distribution Service.
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From:         "Arthur K. S. Yeo at (713)743-1572 UH ESL Manager"
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Subject:      Is DEClearn in CSLG?

Hi Ellen,

        I have been searching around for the DEClearn software but to avail, I
cannot find it. It was mentioned in your latest release of the softwares under
CSLG but I cannot find it in the CDROMS nor in the DEC-published U.S. Software
Price List.

        Please advise.
===================================================
Arthur K. S. Yeo
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Subject:      Opinion

From:   NAME: Ed Fuller
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   T"@MRGATE@OA>

I have not contributed before to this discussion group, but I have
gained alot of useful information through my participation over the
past several months.  Some may think that what I am about to say here
is inappropriate for this forum.  However, given what I have read over
the past several days, most of which has arisen over the issue of
Motif, I feel a need to say it.

It's no secret to anyone who works with DEC and follows the trades,
that DEC is in disarray. I believe it's going to get worse before it
gets better.  Business issues aside, anytime a family loses a father,
which is essentially what will happen when Ken Olsen steps down, it is
a traumatic event.  DEC is bound to go through some turmoil which will
result in some, possibly dramatic, changes.  While it is reasonable
for us as customers, particularly in The Education Initiative, to show
some concern, I think it is at least equally important that we show
some support.

For my own part, I feel that DEC has been a supportive and cooperative
partner of my organization for many years.  They have been helpful,
and, overall, my relationship with DEC has been a positive experience.
Without initiatives from DEC like TEI, I can safely say that this
institution would not have been able to do much of what it is doing
today.  I, for one, intend to try to weather the storm, and stick with
DEC for the long haul.

=================================
Ed Fuller
Director,
Office of Information Technology
Ithaca College
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Subject:      Re: Opinion

> >The latest version of Ultrix is 4.2C, not 4.3A. Ultrix 4.2C is composed
> >of Ultrix 4.2A, PLUS some security patches which make it 4.2B, PLUS the
> >SCSI CAM driver & Motif 1.1.3 which finally make it Ultrix 4.2C.
> >All of the above is in the June 1992 CONDIST distribution, it's amazing
> >how many people have missed it based on the same topic discussed in the
> >comp.unix.ultrix newsgroup a few weeks ago.
>
Well, in fact, according to the latest Customer Update, Ultrix V4.3 will
ship this month.

            Hank Skelton - Meharry Medical College
             Computer Center, Nashville, TN 37208
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From:         "W. Todd Wipke" <wipke@SECS.UCSC.EDU>
Subject:      re: MOTIF as a standard?
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"Hunter Goatley" <goathunter%WKUVX1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu> writes:

>"W. Todd Wipke" <wipke@SECS.UCSC.EDU> writes:
>>
>>I am disappointed that DEC is not encouraging Universities to use
>>MOTIF as a standard.  By not including it in the ESL, CSLG, and CONDIST,
>
>Motif v1.0 is on the CONDIST, unless they're planning to take it
>off....
>
>>DEC is undercutting this standard.  Having lived through a number of so-
>>called standards for workstations, the mascinations regarding MOTIF, is
>>particularly irritating.  I have been developing on MOTIF and now realize
>>that our programs will not necessarily run in a typical vms environment
>>because MOTIF is not going to be a standard default part of that environment.
>[...]
>>the use and availability of MOTIF, at least for Universities.  DEC, include
>>it in the CSLG and the CONDIST, please.
>>
>DEC has to pay the OSF a royalty on each license (I think), so I can
>understand why it's not in the CSLG, though that would be nice.  But
>as long as RTNV is included with VMS support, then it's not as big a
>problem as it otherwise would be.
>
>Hunter
>------
I just bought a vax 4000/500 for the purpose of compute server for some
workstations.  We found out we could not run our application software that
we wrote on the server because we used Motif and it was not licensed for
Motif.  The vaxstations came with net-app-sup-250 which includes motify
license, but the vax itself did not.  Basically for the past few weeks we
have been unable to use our vax 4000/500 for anything other than compiling.
I was not advised that I would need a Motif license.  It is a big problem.
Here's hoping a GNU Motif comes along so we can have an open system
interface that is available at no cost or at least a vms port of X-windows
so we can run standard MIT release stuff.

Todd Wipke
wipke@secs.ucsc.edu
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>The new ESL program now includes support for all PATHWORKS server and
>client products.  That includes support for DOS, OS/2 and MAC.  Please
>remember, the CSLG only provides the license for the PATHWORKS for VMS
>Server and the PATHWORKS for Ultrix Server.  The customer is still
>responsible for purchasing the client licenses for their individual PC's.

Does "all PATHWORKS server and client products" include the recently announced
Pathworks Desktop Backup product (Server: QL-MR1A9-AA, Client: QL-MR2AW-AA)?
I'm particularly interested in RTNV for clients. Thanks.

Carl Karcher                          Internet: KARCHER@WAISMAN.WISC.EDU
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From:         "W. Todd Wipke" <wipke@SECS.UCSC.EDU>
Subject:      Motif as a standard?
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I am disappointed that DEC is not encouraging Universities to use
MOTIF as a standard.  By not including it in the ESL, CSLG, and CONDIST,
DEC is undercutting this standard.  Having lived through a number of so-
called standards for workstations, the mascinations regarding MOTIF, is
particularly irritating.  I have been developing on MOTIF and now realize
that our programs will not necessarily run in a typical vms environment
because MOTIF is not going to be a standard default part of that environment.
     Some colleagues that are developing on the standard MIT release of
X-windows (on other hardware of unmentionable name) have had advantages that
all the documentation matches the functions and libraries, they are one or
two releases more current in X version, and they have not had to pay extra
or worry about licenses, or whether things are being included or split out
of the operating system.  There is enough turmoil resulting from hardware
changes, here is an opportunity to give people some stability by increasing
the use and availability of MOTIF, at least for Universities.  DEC, include
it in the CSLG and the CONDIST, please.

Todd Wipke
University of California
Santa Cruz
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From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ESL SUPPORT FOR DECWINDOWS MOTIF CLARIFICATION
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Thats Odd I though we get RTNV though the CSLG.

I observe that I did not recieve a MOTIF pak int he CSLG.  if I get RTNV under
the ESL I should then get a MOTIF PAK thorugh the ESL or motif will not
require new PAKs and will run forever on the origial grandfathered pak even
new versions?

        The way SSS (Software Support Service) is designed for VMS (UPI 001),
        support for DECwindows MOTIF is included as it is one of the kernel
        software products (kernel products include VMS, DECnet, DECwindows
        Motif, VAXcluster and Workstation).

        Therefore, the new ESL will include support for DECwindows
        Motif - this support will include telephone support

        and RTNV through the designated CSC contacts.

        Updates are always purchased separately - if Motif is not on the
        CONDIST, then you will have to purchase MDDS.

        However, the way DECwindows Motif is supported does not effect how it is
        licensed.

Bingo.  This is where I have the problem support is via ESL, license upgrade
via CSLG.   So I can not install a version of MOTIF that will not accept the
grandfathered PAK until I get a new PAK and -- by observation -- I am not getny
new PAKs.
        If you need further clarification, please let me know.
 What am I misunderstanding?


        Regards,

        Linda Testa
        ESL Program Manager
        Digital Equipment Corporation
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From:         "W. Todd Wipke" <wipke@SECS.UCSC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Motif as a standard?
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>Subj:	Re: Motif as a standard?
>
>From: "Selden E. Ball, Jr." <SEB@lns61.tn.cornell.edu>
>To: wipke@SECS.UCSC.EDU
>
>Todd,
>
>There should be no need for a Motif license in the CSLG.
>All "new" VAXstations come with a Motif license in the form of a NAS
>(Network Applications Support) license. This has been the case for
>at least a year.
>
>The problem is that a Motif license was not included with those
>VAXstations which were purchased before Motif was available. Free Motif
>licenses were available for a while, and most sites managed to get them.
>
>Unfortunately, there were some sites which didn't learn about the
>free licenses in time. Naturally, those are the sites which are very
>vocal about wanting to get free Motif licenses now.
>
>You aren't seeing many postings from those of us who did get the licenses.
>
>I hope this clarifies things somewhat.
>
>Selden Ball
>seb@lns61.tn.cornell.edu
But I have a compute server (vms) that has the purpose of letting decstations
login and run applications written in Motif to pop windows on the decstations.
You must have a Motif license on the graphics client, i.e., the cpu on which
the application code executes.  The vax 4000/500 came with decnet, vaxcluster,
and vax-vms licenses only--no Motif license, thus no workstation can run a
graphics job on the vax 4000/500 until we get a Motif license. Sigh.
wipke@secs.ucsc.edu
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From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VMS DECWINDOWS MOTIF 1

Thank you, Ellen, for provide a complete and accurate answer to the question.
I too am disappointed in supposedly professional people who throw hissy fits.
I hope that you will be passing on the valid input from some customers about the
lack of a bundled motif client license with systems other than XXXstations and
its implications.   fortunately for the educational market that is less of
an issue given the discounts.
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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Motif as a standard?

Todd,

>I just bought a vax 4000/500 for the purpose of compute server for some
>workstations.  We found out we could not run our application software that
>we wrote on the server because we used Motif and it was not licensed for
>Motif.  The vaxstations came with net-app-sup-250 which includes motify
>license, but the vax itself did not.  Basically for the past few weeks we
>have been unable to use our vax 4000/500 for anything other than compiling.
>I was not advised that I would need a Motif license.  It is a big problem.
>Here's hoping a GNU Motif comes along so we can have an open system
>interface that is available at no cost or at least a vms port of X-windows
>so we can run standard MIT release stuff.

The Motif licensing confusion aside (I think we are pretty clear on that issue
by now), Todd, if you have described your application for this new VAX 4000 to
your DEC sales rep. accurately, then you *may* have a legitimate *beef* with
your local DEC sales office. DEC sales rep. should be aware of the fact that
they should offer a Motif license for non-workstation systems which will run
DECwindows application. If you bring it up with your local DEC sales office,
chances are that they cannot do anything for you but to sell you a DECwindows
Motif license to properly make you legal to run DECwindows Motif but this will
bring the problem to their attention so that future problems can be avoided.

Ta Fuh Chiam

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From:         "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Motif as a standard?

"W. Todd Wipke" <wipke@SECS.UCSC.EDU> writes:
>
>I am disappointed that DEC is not encouraging Universities to use
>MOTIF as a standard.  By not including it in the ESL, CSLG, and CONDIST,

Motif v1.0 is on the CONDIST, unless they're planning to take it
off....

>DEC is undercutting this standard.  Having lived through a number of so-
>called standards for workstations, the mascinations regarding MOTIF, is
>particularly irritating.  I have been developing on MOTIF and now realize
>that our programs will not necessarily run in a typical vms environment
>because MOTIF is not going to be a standard default part of that environment.
[...]
>the use and availability of MOTIF, at least for Universities.  DEC, include
>it in the CSLG and the CONDIST, please.
>
DEC has to pay the OSF a royalty on each license (I think), so I can
understand why it's not in the CSLG, though that would be nice.  But
as long as RTNV is included with VMS support, then it's not as big a
problem as it otherwise would be.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
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Subject: RE: Complaints about MOTIF 1

>Subject: VMS DECWINDOWS MOTIF
>
>THIS IS THE FINAL MESSAGE FROM DIGITAL ON VMS DECWINDOWS MOTIF AND THE TEI
>PROGRAMS.
>
>is committed to the VMS DECwindows Motif product.  The discussion in this
>conference has been disappointing for me when the assumption is that if we
>don't give it to you for free, we're difficult, we're not committed to
>standards, or products or this market.
>
>Regards,
>Ellen Minter
>

Ellen, I certainly understand your disappointment.  And I can understand the
disappointment of those who were unaware of or otherwise could not get in under
the "free" distribution of Motif.  I hope you understand the we all DO
appreciate DEC's discounting, CSLG, etc. for qualifying educational sites.
Some of us may not be aware of the great efforts that you and others make to
keep and expand the discount benefits for the educational community.  THANKS!

Earl

P.S.  I hope your disappointment quickly dissipates.

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From:         "Kathy Atnip" <kathy@WUGATE.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CSA
              "buchanan@BME1.UTMEM.EDU" at Sep 2, 92 5:14 pm

Jack:

We have been talking with Glen Carden recently about Campus Service
Agreement.  He is a Self-Maintenance Products Consultant in
the Chicago DEC office, phone (708) 806-7374.  If he isn't the
right one for your area,  he would know who to send you to.

Kathy Atnip
kathy@wugate.wustl.edu
>
> Third problem::Campus Service Agreement (CSA).  My local DEC office
> denies the existance of this program and I can get no information from
> them.  They arranged a nice lunch down on Beale Street with a
> representative of DEC's "Desktop" service organization but it soon
> became obvious to both of us that what we want is not what he is
> selling.  As an authorized Apple service organization, we are generally
> geared up for things like the CSA.  Since I feel some people were less
> than forthcoming about this item, trying to maintain full service
> contracts, we have dropped a significant amount of our DEC maintenance
> contracts, opting instead for self maintenance--probably a net loss of
> revenue to DEC.
>
> Jack Buchanan, MSEE, MD,
> Associate Professor of Biomedical Engineering and Medicine
> Director, Biomedical Engineering Distributed Computing Research Environment
> University of Tennessee, Memphis
> Memphis, TN 38163
> buchanan@bme1.utmem.edu
>
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