HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: busch@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: re: weizen yeast=Delbruckii
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:38:44 GMT

Scott wrote:
<There is not Brett. used in making weizens - the cloviness comes from
<a species of saccharomyces - S. Delbruckii - which is used in addition to
<S. Cerevesiae.  Sorry for the confusion.


This is an annoying subject in that I have yet to find a qualified
professional brewer who states that ANY Delbruckii strain is to be
found in a Bavarian Style Weizen.  Note that the newest brewers 
publications book on Weizen written by Diplom Braumeister Eric Warner
states that the yeast is a S. Cerevisiae stock.  There is no indication
of the presence of any Delbruckii strains in the Bavarian Weizens. IF
anyone should know, it is a brewer who has graduated from Weinhenstephan.

I personally believe this misinformation is a result of the strains 
sold by Wyeast for making weizens.  Apparently this package is indeed
a combination of S. Cerevisiae and S. Delbruckii, which would explain 
the inconsistent results that occur when using this yeast.

I have brewed numerous Bavarian HefeWeizens and WeizenBocks using a 
SINGLE CELL CULTURE of Weinhenstephan Weizen yeast and can attest to 
the ability of a single cell culture to produce both the Banana ester
and the phenols that are so important to the style.  Also note that
Eric Warner won the AHA nationals last year with a Weizen produced from
a culture of a bottle of Moy Weizen, dosed with a lager strain for 
bottle conditioning.

Jim Busch
From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re:Knitted Acrylic Baby Yarn
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:44:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

>In article <726620454.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP> Holly.Doyne@f172.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Holly Doyne) writes:
>>In a msg on <Jan 09 00:42>, Lisa Kent of 1:109/401 writes:
>>
>> LK> have a hard time going back to the acrylic.  I'm almost half 
>> LK> done with it.
>>
>> LK> I'm curious if there's any specific reason why I should continue 
>> LK> this project, like maybe acrylic is more flame retardant than 
>> LK> the natural yarns, more washable, etc.  I'm feeling an 
>> LK> aversion to continuing this project, but if there are good 
>> LK> reasons to do so, I may be able to convince myself. ;^)
>>
>>Finish it, IF you have a friend who might use it and never would put the care
>>that wool or cotton would need.  Don't use fuzzy cotton ever for a baby afgan -
>>it is extremely flamable.  Washable wool is what I prefer.
>>
>And in article: <1993Jan11.043341.25897@netcom.com> 
>               shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) replies:
>
><sigh> Why is the assumption that acrylic is for the careless?  I am
>getting really bummed out reading this group - people are so incredibly
>elitest!  I mean, why in the world would anyone use anything but one of
>the *natural* fibers, right, except if they are too lazy to take care of
>it?
>
>C'mon folks.  I realize it's the fashionable thing nowadays to use the
>natural fibers, but has anyone stopped to consider that there might be
>those of us with *allergies*?  I mean, of course, I would never even 
>hint that I might be tasteless enough to actually like the soft feel of
>acrylic yarn.  Who could possibly like the ease of washing it?  Everyone
>knows it's lousy to work with, right?  Never mind that someone might 
>actually like the way it feels against their skin.  
>
>I guess that just leaves more of the good yarn for the rest of you. 8-\
>
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I think this comes from the fact that there are acrylics and there are 
acrylics.  CHEAP acrylics are the pits, they feel like water-ski rope.  
GOOD acrylics can have a very nice feel and they do have that all important 
advantage for those of us who are allergic to wool, they don't cause hives!

If you don't like the feel of the yarn, then don't finish the project.  If 
it's just because the yarn in acrylic, but it feels fine, then finish it.  
There is no point in dutifully finishing a project which wasn't worth 
starting in the first place.  Give the yarn to Goodwill or your local 
senior center so someone who likes it can use it for something they like.

--Jill

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From: close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Diane Barlow Close)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: Threads
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:35:39 GMT
Reply-To: close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Diane Barlow Close)
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jill@cray.com (Jill McAllister) writes:
>In article <1ifmj8INNt0b@fido.asd.sgi.com> close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Diane Barlow Close) writes:
>> (There is also a knitting specialty magazine, but I can't recall 
>> the exact name.
>
>The absolutely wonderful knitting magazine's name is "Knitter's" and is

Ya, that's it!  I knew it had one of those easily identifiable names.
:-)  It is a good magazine; I certainly agree there!

-- 
Diane Barlow Close
	close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com 
	I'm at lunch today.  :-)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
From: asheffie@carr107.alleg.edu (Ann Sheffield)
Subject: Re: Fair Isle patterns
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:13:21 GMT

In article <1ii64qINN850@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S.  
Hlabse) writes:
> 
> Does anyone have a good source for Fair Isle patterns?  I've been
> making afghans but I think I'd like to work on some sweaters for a
> change of pace for men or women. 

My favorite book on this topic is "Alice Starmore's Book of Fair Isle  
Knitting."  It has stunning photographs, complete instructions for several  
beautiful projects, and clear, inspiring instructions on technique and on   
designing your own patterns.

Hope this helps.

				-Ann Sheffield
				 asheffie@alleg.edu
From: kristen@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Kristen McQuillin)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: Pre-shrinking was Re: Washing hanks of wool
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:04:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: telerama.1993Jan4.170415.3942
Organization: Telerama
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Anne Chamberlain (chamberl@oasys.dt.navy.mil) wrote:
: I was always under the impression that it was the SUDDEN CHANGE IN TEMPERATUR
[...]
: Am I mistaken?  Is it really the high heat which is the culprit?  I
: thought not.

You are not mistaken. It is the change in temperature, not the
temperature itself, which causes wool to shrink and felt.

--Kristen McQuillin
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
From: linnco@microsoft.com (Linn Compton)
Subject: Re: Threads
Date: 07 Jan 93 15:10:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

I love Threads magazine, and have every issue since the very beginning.
The thing I like best is the focus on HOW TO do it; FiberArts magazine,
in contrast, focuses on artists and shows and the end product rather than
the process. 

There probably are proportionately more sewing-focused articles in
Threads these days. I have been assuming that the reason might be that
more sewing-related articles are submitted. Personally, I prefer the non-
sewing articles, since I haven't sewed in several years, but I still enjoy
that information and save it for future reference.
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: x-stitch kits
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:40:02 GMT

	Do they ever put enought thread in these kits? I've been working on 
this really large project. I'm only about 1/4 of the way through, and I'm
already out of 4 colors, it makes me so mad! I know it's not my stitching,
they only gave me 1 strand of a color I will need at least 4 or 5 of so it's
not even close - it simply isn't possible to finish with the materials given.
Fortunately, it's all DMC floss and they give the numbers so I can get more,
but really I shouldn't have to. 
	Well, I feel much better now, thanks ;)
				-Liz

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Ilaine de Cameron  | 	We're going to try an experiment now. Instead of using
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From: ron.parker@uttsbbs.uucp (Ron Parker) 
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: Threads
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: ron.parker@uttsbbs.uucp (Ron Parker) 

On Date: 6 Jan 93 22:31:04 GMT, Diane Barlow Close wrote:

-> Well there is already a magazine that specializes in fiber arts
-> called, appropriately enough, FiberArts.  It's put out by the same
-> people who put out Threads (Taunton Press).

Fiberarts Magazine is put out by Altamont Press, 50 College St.,
Asheville, NC, 28801-2896, (704) 253-0467.

Nancy Rose via Fibernet BBS
                                                                              
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From: mberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Michelle Berteig)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Cross-stitch Program
Date: 11 Jan 1993 03:40:05 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Hi!

I have been reading with great interest about the cross-stitch programs
on CompuServe.  From posts I have read here, I understand there are two of
them.  Has anyone found out if they will be made available to ftp somewhere?
I would love to try these out, and wait anxiously for a reply...

An avid cross-stitcher,
Michelle

mberteig@cco.caltech.edu


Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
From: rehak@rap.ucar.edu (Nancy Rehak)
Subject: Re: I Hate Kits...
Organization: NCAR, Research Applications Program
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:03:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.193654.2195@netcom.com> edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg) writes:
>Now, here's an issue of intellectual property:  If I buy a pattern, it
>implies a right to copy a (possibly) copyrighted design, i.e. original
>artwork.  I realize I cannot photocopy the pattern for somebody else,
>but:  Once I finish the project, can I resell the pattern?  Can I give
>it (the original purchased documents) away?  Be that pattern purchased
>solo or part of a kit?
>
>
>I say yes. What does the collective wisdom of the net think?


I, of course, have an opinion, but have no basis for it.  Being a programmer,
I look at this as I would at copyrighted software.  I would say that you can,
obviously, use the pattern to create as many projects as you wish.  I would
also say that you can make as many photocopies of the pattern as you wish
_for your own personal use_, just as you would make backup copies of software,
but cannot give the copies to someone else.  Then, for the real question, I
would say that you can give away or resell the original (and be sure to destroy
any photocopies or give them with the original) just as you can software.

As I said, I have nothing to base this on but my own instincts.  I would also
be interested in any informed opinions out there.

Nancy
rehak@ncar.ucar.edu
From: ron.parker@uttsbbs.uucp (Ron Parker) 
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: Pre-shrinking was Re:
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:24:00 GMT
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Reply-To: ron.parker@uttsbbs.uucp (Ron Parker) 


   On 4 Jan 93 14:07:57 GMT chamberl@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Anne Chamberlain)

 AC. I was always under the impression that it was the SUDDEN CHANGE IN TEMPERATURE
 AC. which caused wool to shrink, not the heat itself.  When dyeing wool,
 AC. some of my baths were simmered for long times---the heat did not cause
 AC. the wool to shrink.  But it was important to cool the wool slowly.
 AC.
 AC. Am I mistaken?  Is it really the high heat which is the culprit?  I
 AC. thought not.

Anne is *exactly* correct.  The nonsense about hot water shrinking wool
will presumably not die in any of our lifetimes in the rank and file of
the world, but let's at least get it right among us 'experts' %^)}

Ron Parker
ron.parker%uttsbbs@pacbell.com
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From: Joann Bessler <joann@geology.ubc.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles,alt.sewing
Subject: Patterns: How to Find Other Styles?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:12:12 GMT
Organization: Geological Sciences, UBC, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Keywords: sewing patterns jacket


Don't overlook thrift and second hand stores as a source of "classic"
patterns. They're often also a source of "classic" materials!

Joann
joann@geology.ubc.ca
From: ron.parker@uttsbbs.uucp (Ron Parker) 
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: Threads
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: ron.parker@uttsbbs.uucp (Ron Parker) 


  ON Date: 6 Jan 93 22:31:04 GMT close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Diane Barlow Close)
        wrote:

 DB. Well there is already a magazine that specializes in fiber arts
 DB. called, appropriately enough, FiberArts.  It's put out by the same
 DB. people who put out Threads (Taunton Press).

Unless something dramatic has happened in the past few days, FiberArts
is an independent published in Asheville, NC.  -- 50 College St., 28801

 DB. (There is
 DB. also a knitting specialty magazine, but I can't recall the exact name.

There is Knitters from Golden Fleece Publications in Sioux Falls, SD at
824 W. 10th St., 57104.  For more, ring up Fibernet at 218-583-4337 and
download knitpubs.zip - a list of 40 knitting magazines.

Ron Parker
ron.parker%uttsbbs@pacbell.com
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From: botteron@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu (Carol J. Botteron)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles,alt.sewing
Subject: Patterns: How to Find Other Styles?
Summary: We don't necessarily want this year's fashion!
Keywords: sewing patterns jacket
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:10:37 GMT
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Many of us who sew do it because we don't want to be constrained to
the clothing that is available in stores.  We know what looks good on
us, and consider that to be more important than being fashionable.

BUT -- the pattern catalogs tend to have only a narrow range of
styles.  If padded shoulders and straight skirts are "in" this year,
most of the available patterns will have them, and those of us who
want natural shoulders and full skirts will have to use patterns we
already have, or (if we're lucky) choose from two or three styles in
the back of a catalog.  With patterns approaching $10, it is very
painful to have to buy one that isn't quite what we wanted.

The pattern companies wouldn't have to increase their inventory to
provide more variety, since many of the patterns they sell are minor
variations of each other.  If they cut back on those, they could offer
others, including "old classic" styles from a few years ago.

Is there anything we can do about this?  Would letters to pattern
companies ("I'd buy more patterns if you had more variety") get a
response better than the standard patronizing "bedbug letter"?
Are there any pattern-company people on the net?

Are there any places around (mail order or Boston area preferred) 
that sell previous years' patterns?  I don't mean "antique" styles,
but simply those that were available a few years ago and aren't now.  

Example: a male friend wants to make a jacket something like a Nehru
jacket, with a high collar.  We searched many catalogs, but no luck.

I would _love_ to find a source for either a wide range of patterns,
of patterns that are versatile: say, a jacket pattern with several
front options (lapels, Nehru, etc.).  

Are other people in the same boat?  Any suggestions welcome.
aTdHvAaNnKcSe!      Carol Botteron       botteron@ai.mit.edu
From: ron.parker@uttsbbs.uucp (Ron Parker) 
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: knitting mailing list
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: ron.parker@uttsbbs.uucp (Ron Parker) 


Around 1-2-93 Sheila Ralston proposed starting a knitting mailing list.
Sounds like a great idea - add me to the list -
ron.parker%uttsbbs@pacbell.com  (or, if that fails
ron.parker%uttsbbs%boo@pacbell.com )

I will make the list available to Fibernet users, and send any input
from Fibernet users to the mailing list as well.  There are many
knitters and spinners on Fibernet, so I know there would be interest.

The fly in the ointment is that the e-mail from Fibernet users will
appear to have come from me, but I will identify the real senders in the
text part, so that should help.  I will make the e-mail from the mailing
list a separate conference on Fibernet.  I am currently carrying a
mailing list on card weaving in the form of an updated-as-needed
bulletin.

What we need is for some clever person to figure out a way for
Internet/Usenet users to access Fibernet from Internet.  Fibernet uses a
message transfer protocol that sends/receives compressed message packets
in the QMail or .qwk format - a de facto standard with many DOS and Mac
users.  We probably need a BBS with Internet access that also is using
PC Board, Wildcat!, Auntie or other BBS software as that has QwiKer,
RoseMail, TNet, or other QMail compatible software.  Internet users
could connect with the intermediary linking BBS and then message/reply
packets could be passed back and forth between the link BBS and
Fibernet.

As it stands, Fibernet users are benefiting from all of you people on
Usenet, and we can't return the favor unless you log on directly at 218-
583-4337.  Mind you.  If you use our efficient packet upload/download
procedures, you will rarely be on line for longer than a minute or two,
so the cost is almost trivial (at 9600 bps).

Ron Parker - sysop of Fibernet BBS
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From: sf08@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SUZANNE FISHER)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re:Threads
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:27:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi everyone,

To jump in on this discussion on Threads, I first subscribed because at heart
I am a generalist and I liked Threads because it was more of a general
fiber magazine.
    I chose it over FibreArts (sp?) which I got tired of. I don't really
    remember why, it has been a number of years now.

    I am sure there are other generalists out there, who can't afford to by a
    magazine about every fiber interest that are well served by a "Threads" at
    least the way Threads use to be.


    
-- 
Suzanne Fisher      sf08@Lehigh.edu
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Fair Isle patterns
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:08:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone have a good source for Fair Isle patterns?  I've been
making afghans but I think I'd like to work on some sweaters for a
change of pace for men or women.  

I haven't done much with multiple colors and I do prefer graphs.
I find them much easier to work with.

I'm in this newsgroup all the time so feel free to e-mail or post.  

Thanks for the help.

Evelyn
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From: philip@bluedg.linet.org (Philip Perlman)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Babylock Serger
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:57:14 GMT

Hello All!

Does anyone know of a source for the BABYLOCK serger that is really reasonable. My wife had heard of a place either in Florida or one of the Southern states that sold them at discount. Would appreciate any information. Thanks

                                        /* Phil */
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: Threads
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:44:11 GMT
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In article <1993Jan07.151023.7378@microsoft.com> linnco@microsoft.com (Linn Compton) writes:
>I love Threads magazine, and have every issue since the very beginning.
>The thing I like best is the focus on HOW TO do it; FiberArts magazine,
>in contrast, focuses on artists and shows and the end product rather than
>the process. 

One of the things I like about Threads is that they show HOW TO in a broad
and general way.  The assumption seems to be that you would want to use
this design technique or that construction "philosophy", and NOT that you
would want to duplicate exactly the garment they show.

I stopped subscribing to the knitters magazines because of their focus
on providing exact instruction for each specific design instead of more
general "how to get this effect" direction.

I really like Threads' balance of "here's a lot of nifty things you could
do" with their "and here's how to do it".  I LIKE seeing what artists are
doing, but the extra "here's how" spices up the mixture.

>There probably are proportionately more sewing-focused articles in
>Threads these days. I have been assuming that the reason might be that
>more sewing-related articles are submitted. Personally, I prefer the non-
>sewing articles, since I haven't sewed in several years, but I still enjoy
>that information and save it for future reference.

The articles that I have the least use for are the Haute Couture ones, but
even in those there are tidbits that are interesting to me.  I'd like to
see them lessen their emphasis on sewing, but I'm still very happy with
the magazine.

I bet we should all write them letters, telling them that we want them to
keep their broad general focus.  Sitting around here talking about it 
doesn't get the info to them....  :-)

Now if they were just on the net.....

And now, to digress TOTALLY:

I bought some fabric today in our local fancy-fabric store, and I told the
owner that these newsgroups exist.  This was totally outside her knowledge.
I mentioned that there's a quilting list that keeps track of special
fabric stores, and that she was on the list....  She was sort of overwhelmed,
I think, that all this was going on and she had no idea.....