From: usenet@transfer.stratus.com (Mr. Network News)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Abortion: What does God say?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:16:27 GMT
Reply-To: Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
Organization: Dave_Wetzel

Response to Warren Lavallee:

Before I start (cause this is going to sound more than a bit flamish), I 
just want to say that you do seem to believe steadfastly in what you say.  
I do admire your consistancy.  You've obviously made moral choices for 
your life.  The jist of the rest of this is to encourage you to allow the 
rest of us the luxury of making our own moral choices.

> We are putting what be believe to practice.  We are helping mothers.  We
> tell them what God thinks, then we help them to do it, and provide 
support.
> We do not judge.  Judgement belongs to God.

Who died and left you god??  Where do you get off explaining to others 
what god thinks??  Don't you think that's a bit presumptious?  This is my 
number one complaint about mixing religion and politics; everyone wants to 
speak for god.

> >	Article I.  Congress shall make no law respecting an
> >	establishment of religion . . .
> >
> >You're god is not my god and has no place in our government.
> 
> That's not right.
> 
> Everyone has a religion.  Everyone worship's someone/something.
> Whether it be sin, your bodies, pleasures, or created things.
> 
> If we followed your statement above then nothing at all would have
> a place in our government.  At least Quayle (you are talking about
> him right?) has a Holy God, with sound morals.  I would much rather
> have him than someone who worships satan and sacrafices people to him.

Errt!  Sorry, this doesn't make sense at all.  There are very clearly many 
religions with different morals.  Sorry to have to explain this to you 
(maybe you should get out more?), but not everyone's christian and not 
everyone who's not is satanic.  Read a bit about druidism, shinto, tao, 
buddhism, hinduism, etc.  And not just the propoganda that churches put 
out; go to a library!

The other point I'd like to make is that in a free society, laws are 
written to
perserve social harmony; not to perserve morality.  Individuals in a free 
society are allowed moral choices where it does not conflict with social 
harmony.  Legislating morality does not work.  Look at prohibition as a 
good example.  

Just because the government makes abortion illegal does not mean there 
will be no abortions, just less quality-control on the abortions performed 
(ie. women will die from aboritions).  I've actually never understood this 
side of the debate.  It's clear to me that more women would die from 
botched abortions if abortion were illegal; why don't pro-life people get 
concerned about that?  Isn't the woman life too?  Or don't we care about 
her life since she's done something "wrong"?  It would seem to me that if 
I were anti-abortion and pro-life I'd be for legalized abortion (so women 
don't die) and planned parenthood (to help women from getting into a need 
for abortion in the first place).  But what do I know?

> If you haven't actually seen what the "choice" is in pro-choice, I think
> you should.  It will change your life.

You're missing the point.  Most pro-choice folks are not saying "everyone 
should experinece abortion", they're saying that in absence of *PROOF* 
(not arguments from athority like bible quotes), individuals must be 
allowed to make moral choices for themselves.

My own opinion is that I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice.  I would guess a 
majority of pro-choice people would classify themselves similarly.

> They go to NE area high schools and give a message of abstinance.

Once again, we see an attempt to dodge reality.  I'll agree that reality 
isn't always pretty, but it's all we got.

"just say no" is almost as good as doing nothing.  You're writing off the 
majority (the young who will have sex despite people sermonizing at them) 
in order to perserve some vision you have of the way a perferct world 
would be.  Guess what - it's not perfect and never will be.  Kids have 
sex.  Now, knowing that, what do you do to help the majority?

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