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From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marshall Law
Date: 20 Aug 1992 19:13:03 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <1992Aug20.182039.25155@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Originally published by Marvel UK in the magazine _Strip_, ML was reprinted as

>a six issue LS in the Epic line back when Epic was still kinda active.  But
the
>2099 line will be under the normal Marvel banner, not Epic.  Besides, even
Epic
>dropped it when the Batman parody issue came down the pike (he, I know it 
>wasn't necessarily cause-and-effect, I just find it ironic).  In any case, 
>Mills has written for the Punisher before, in the UK version.
(funny .sig deleted)

It seems kinda weird that Marvel (oops...Epic) would Drop Marshall Law
on account of the Batman parody, when they had just gone out of their
way to print "Marshall Law Takes Manhattan", which was a scathing
assault on Marvel characters and the Punisher in specific.  Was ML
dropped because of flagging sales, or was it just beginning to cut
too close to the bone?  Enquiring minds want to know.

BTW, ML is now being picked up by Dark Horse comics, but they have yet
to reprint the "Private Eye" story (Batman Parody) which is only available
collected from Apocalypse Press (and kind of hard to find).
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
From: berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: more whining about LSH #33, and a challenge
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:47:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <6027@npri6.npri.com> murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:
>who do T&M (or whomever is responsible for the cover) think they're pushing
>around??  allow me to quote the words which appear inside a big huge arrow,
>whose tip is in the face of a Legionnaire statue (heavily shadowed, of course):
>
>       AT LONG LAST THE *LEGION* LEARNS . . .
>       "WHATEVER HAPPENED TO _KID QUANTUM_?"
>
>this is nothing short of infantile.  we are supposed to care about
>the whereabouts/fate/appearance of a character who wasn't even
>introduced before this very issue?  a character who has never been 
>mentioned by any other Legionnaire?  a character whose powers and history
>we have to learn about by reading a thinly-veiled "Who's Who" entry 
>in the *back* of the issue?...
In short, yes and no.

The T&M have already stated that they believe that the reason the
LSH was so popular in the beginning was because of the side
characters that were seen for maybe one or two panels, but not again
until they were brought back (this is from the recent reprint of
Adventure 247, in which only Saturn Girl, Lightning Boy, and Cosmic
Boy had speaking parts, but Brainiac 5, among others, are clearly
visible in the background).  Kid Quantum has appeared before in the
current run, but only as a statue among the other "dead"
Legionnaires.  Besides, while this is the first (and hopefully last)
time *we* ever saw Kid Quantum, it is certainly not the first time
the (remaining) Legionnaires saw him.


>and what's the point of having a "code name" if your real name and background
>are plastered all over a CEREAL BOX for crying out loud??  
Perhaps the CEREAL BOX (tm) came out *after* the code name?  Even
so, Barry Allen, Wally West, Ralph Dibny and some others have
publicly-known identities, but they still go by code names...

>at least Tenzil Kem was amusing in #11.
***NOT***!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but I can handle the retcons so far.  I don't *like*
them, but I put up with them.  I like Tenzil Kem even less.

I can only hope they put Tenzil Kem in his own series, just so I can
see it crash and burn in a huge ball of flame.

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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: The worst comic books of all time...
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:11:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <77529@ut-emx.uucp> danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:

+>In article <visser.713244977@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
+>>
+>>1. Any issue of Secret Wars II.  The one that attacks Steve Gerber in
+>>particular.
+>>
+>When/how did they attack Steve Gerber?

	I dont remember issue numbers but I remember that there was a whiny
(tv writer?) character with a lightning bolt trophy who gets involved
with the beyonder in some way.  The character is supposed to be Gerber 
and the lighting bolt trophy was his shazam award (70's attempt at 
comic awards for writers and artists).
From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Reality Gem.
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>        I really don't think Thanos has the Reality Gem.  Remember, 
>Warlock has the Soul Gem, which has it's own dimension.  Certain parties 
>may just live in this dimension, and when needed, Warlock may release 
>these parties.  Thus enters the reincarnation of Captain Mar-Vell. 
>

My understanding of "Soulworld" is that it is inhabited by those who victimized
by the Soul Gem. I don't think Mar-Vell is one of them.

>                        Support the no cool sign off foundation!

Consider it supported.

DN
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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Subject: Re: A collection for sale
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 02:16:21 GMT


Standar noises about how you don't need to flame this poor soul.
(Not that it will do any good...)"Standard"
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From: joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer)
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:52:14 GMT

In <BtB30I.6pp@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>In article <1992Aug20.140145.16334@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:
>>
>>Did Rob Liefield beat up your collective sisters, or something?  Did he insult
>>your grandma?  Does he make obscene phone calls to your local pastor?  Does he
>>hang cute little bunny rabbits by their ears?  What?  What?

>Worse.  He destroyed the New Mutants, what was once one of Marvel's most
>interesting books, and replaced it with X-farce, a book completely devoid
>of any plot or characterization.  

 I think a clairification is in order here.  By the time Rob got to the 
New Mutants, they were already near death from Weezie and Blevins.  Rob just
put a REALLY BIG gun to their collective heads and ended the suffering.

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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Wild C.A.T.S. = X-Men? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:01:35 GMT

asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:

>I guess what I'm trying to get to is that there is no way that Wild C.A.T.S.
>or any other comic will appeal to me so much the way the X-Men had done to
>me. This group of superheroes got me started in comics. I'm still collecting
>them even though they've seen MUCH better days (old habits are hard to break).
>Sure, I picked up Wild C.A.T.S; the art was nice, but it had no STORY. You
>know, the stuff that the art is supposed to go with and enhance.

Well, the art and the story sucked in the last X-Men. There hasn't
been a plotline worth calling that in any of the X titles in the
last year. WildC.A.T.S. is, at least, not trying to farm the same
tired soil over and over again.
Story? This is the first issue..read the first chapter of anything
and there isn't much there but introduction. In a superteam book where
you have to bring in 8 characters in 32 pages, you can't do that much.

>If you want nice pictures, pick up Wild C.A.T.S., but if you want nice
>pictures and a decent story, look at the Neal Adams run of the X-Men; look
>at the Claremont-Byrne run; and yes, look at the Claremont-Jim Lee run (I
>never said I didn't like his art, plus his co-plotting revitalized the X-Men
>briefly before Claremont left). Those were STORIES not pin-ups.

Lee does suffer from pinupitis, but his art is lightyears ahead of the stuff
you mention. The advances in inking techniques alone in the last  5 years 
are incredible. The intensity and variety of colors you see today is so far
ahead of what was done just a few years it go it is shocking. Pick up something
done just 5 years ago and hold it next to a modern comic. The difference will
surprise you.
Claremont was probably the worst and best thing that happened to the X title
at the same time. His plots were nice but way too complex. They're still trying
to tie all his loose ends up in the X titles.
And, let's get down to brass tacks for a minute: the stories in those periods
you mentioned were as much soap operas in spandex as anything else. Nothing
Claremont ever did transcended the comic genre the way Miller did with
his Dark Knight stuff, or Moore's "V for Vendetta" and "Watchmen". Claremont
was a good writer, not a great one. 
 
Axly
From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Hellblazer Annual #1
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:43:07 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <78004@ut-emx.uucp> steppe@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Top Changwatchai) writes:
>One
>thing I haven't got and haven't found at any of the local comic shops,
>however, is the Hellblazer Annual #1 (the only one, I think).  Does anybody
>have comments on it?  Is it any good?  Should I bother looking for it?

There is only one Hellblazer Annual, and personally, I didn't like it at all.
The story deals with an old ancestor of John's, and gives a little bit of
background on John, but not any deeper than the King of Vampires story in a
recent Hellblazer issue...  It's got a neat cover, though!

>Also, what about any of the Constantine appearances in Swamp Thing?  I'm not
>a collector, so I'd only be interested if the stories were any good.  I'd
>appreciate any advice/commentary given.

Sorry, my comic collection is at home so I can't give you specific issue
numbers, but I'd recommend just about ALL the Constantine appearances in
Swamp Thing -- it's where the character was created.  His first appearance
(#37, I think) is a great story, but it's kind of hard to find.  The rest of
the American Gothic storyline (37 - around 50) is pretty interesting, but
only a couple of the issues give JC a lot of attention.
	His next appearances are in the Veitch run, in which Swamp Thing is
trying to find a new body for the Sprout, or some such.  Around 74-76, I
believe.  There's a cool drawing of Constantine on one of them, done by
Dave McKean.  These stories are neat, too, but they'll make you want to read
the rest of the issues leading up to it, though, so get ready to put some
money into it...
	John also shows up in a couple of Nancy Collins' issues, but I
think she completely missed the character and I don't recommend these
issues at all.

Other than that, I'd recommend just about every issue of Hellblazer,
especially Garth Ennis' run.  Maybe you should get a second opinion...

Chuck
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Marvel 2099 titles (Jester)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:32:56 GMT

In article <47ph021c1e.A01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>(spoiler) [for Spider-Man 2099 #2]

>Oh, and Aunt May is in it. :-) 

Further spoiler after another ^L

And she gets killed off...

"I was watching an old news show on A & E and the announcer came on and said,
'The Twentieth Century will continue in a moment.'  Actually I had no doubt
that it was true, but for a moment I considered bolting to my window to see if
anything looked different." --Mark Leeper
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: feminist comics?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:09:52 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

In <1992Aug8.174521.19271@sdcrsi.cray.com> kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com (the Rev. Mom) writes:
>In the Black and Whites, I'd suggest picking up BAKER STREET
>(whose Holmes and Watson characters are both female).  And in
>mainstream DC, I think SANDMAN does a pretty decent job of not
>offending my feminist sensibilities.  

I'm not sure I'd call these explicitly "feminist comix"; just "intelligent
comix", i.e., they treat characters as other than stereotypes, period.  (I'd
put Soren's suggestion of the final arc of ZOT! in the same category (and
agree with him that it is the best run of a good book.))

ELFQUEST?  Soft, cuddly Utopian society (with some Disney-like evil)....
nah!  :-)

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                            which makes it scientific."
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From: wkamm@acpy01.att.com (William Kamm (CXNIXPT1))
Subject: Children's Comics Wanted
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:02:10 GMT

I am looking for the following comics.  Please e-mail me if you have any
for sale.

Barbie #1  (need 2)
Beauty and the Beast  (need 4)
Little Mermaid #2  (need 3)
Little Mermaid #3  (need 4)
Little Mermaid #4  (need 2)

Thanks,

Bill Kamm

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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:31:55 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sex with Death
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug16.025357.902@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) says:
>
>I suppose a proper term for those who love Death itself in a carnal manner
>would be Thanatophiliacs, but in reference to Thanos that might be awkward.
>Perhaps Necrosexual would work.

Regardless of the term, I think that the whole idea of Thanos being in love
with Death is stupid...what kind of sex would they have?  What kind of meaning-
ful relationship could they have?  I guess they could spend a lot of quality
time together and they share the same hobby, but it's.....blah.  It seems to
be a comic book villain-heroine kind of love.

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From: mccarter@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey McCarter)
Subject: Insanity In Spectacular Spider-Man (was Re: Current Spidey)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:17:12 GMT


Well, I have to disagree with a few points made about recent Spidey issues,
particularly in the Spectacular Spider-Man title.

Sal Buscema is a tolerable artist, and I actually appreciate his style once
in a while.

I started collecting this title again when J.M. DeMatteis started writing
it.  DeMatteis has gone in for a completely psychological view of Spider-Man
and some of his associates.  To some degree, this makes for interesting        
reading, but on the flip side, it's been just plain ridiculous.  I've
been reading Spidey for so long that I tend to judge the characters reactions
as if they were those of people I've been watching.  (Well, that's also
a habit of mine as an amateur actor...to get carried away and try to
visualize things :-)             

So, anyway, "The Child Within" storyline presents us with Peter and Harry
flipping out again.  *Both* of them go over the edge (albeit temporarily 
with Pete...)  The annoying thing is that these guys have gone crazy before
in earlier story lines.  The only reasonable option is to lock them both
up at this point before they freak out again.  If anybody tries to write
a story where poor old Harry tries to settle down with his family again,
they would be completely leaving any reality for characterization way behind.
(I can see Peter now in that future issue thinking, "Poor Harry has had it
tough,...maybe this time things will work out for him and Liz...")  This is
ridiculous!  And yet, we know that in the future that some hack is going to
try to write the "Rebirth of Harry Osborne" storyline (probably in _Web_!).

DeMatteis seems to have this weird thing for giving Spidey strange dreams or
hallucinations and having him gassed every once in a while with some Mind-
Altering Substance.  If that makes for a great book, then I guess that's
what we have here.  Personally, I think it's just above average Marvel filler,
although, sadly, it is currently the best of the Spider-Man titles.

Gee, thanks for the opportunity to rant!  :-)

Mick
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From: jperry@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (John Perry)
Subject: Re: Death's Gender
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:55:55 GMT

In article <rl9m3xc.chaos@netcom.com> chaos@netcom.com (chaos) writes:
>> Big Al writes:
>> Who wants to have sex with Death, anyway?
>
>i can't think of a soul, actually.
  "To truly know life, you must first fuck death, in the gall bladder."

			from "Frankenstein"


  defiling minds rant to snow
  john

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From: thomas@unity.ncsu.edu (Eric Thomas)
Subject: Power Knights
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:07:52 GMT


Did anyone pick up a copy of Power Knights #1?  
It was written by a couple of guys from my hometown
  so I was looking for comments.

Eric Thomas
thomas@unity.ncsu.edu
From: edwick@chaucer.uucp (25818-colbert)
Subject: Re: DC: Hellblazer/Swamp Thing query
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston ,NJ
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:04:40 GMT


In <1992Aug14.123401.10262@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
(Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.180637.8444@news.nd.edu> mkelly@twain.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes

 [stuff cut]

>>Here's Shannon D. Appel's list of JC appearances (it is a few months
>>out of date.)

>[list edited]

>For the ultra completist out there, there is a minor JC appearence that
>you are missing.

   Make that two minor appearances.  In the _Secret Origins Annual_ #2
(?), featuring "Gotham's Vilest Villains," JC makes a one-panel cameo in
the back.  He's a "guy on the street of Gotham" asked for his opinion on
Batman and his Rogues Gallery by a reporter.  The section where JC
appears was written by Neil Gaiman, who also wrote a very bizarre
"origin" of the Riddler story for the issue.

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From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Cherry Poptart
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:05:38 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

I have 5 of the first 7 comics.  Do these have any value or should I can them?
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Atlanta 1996: Dream Olympics
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:18:27 GMT

Citizenship in country A does not preclude competing for country B, to wit the 
South African runner who has been at the Olympics on the British team (as far 
as I can recall).  There may be some kind of requirement that the athlete has 
to live in the country for a certain amount of time, but I don't see that as a 
problem.
     Flash (Jay Garrick) is the obvious choice for all track events, as well as
the Badminton and Volleyball teams (yes, he could be the whole team).  Given 
that his reflexes allow him to navigate safely at Mach 2000 (see "Who's 
Fastest?" thread), I see no problem with him easily winning the racquet events.
     In the Biathalon for the Winter Olympics, send Deadshot, assuming he lives
so long.
     Dave Van Domelen, thinks the 1996 mascot rather resembles a cartoon sperm
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: RAC CLOSING SEPT 30
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.144017.19513@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>Like a previous noter, I am also relatively new to the net.  If rec.art.comics
>is closing, then what is the alternative?  Or is it rec.art.comics.misc?

Yes.

>(and, if someone cares to reply by mail, what's the difference between .comics
>and .comics.misc?)

r.a.c.misc will still be here in two months. :) 

Seriously, it's the same, except that posts about X-books shouldn't be in
misc.  The net.powers have decided that it's a good idea to rename a group
to *.misc after a split.  Personally, I think it just causes confusion and
makes more work for admins.
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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC RUMORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:46:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <28812@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU> wchong@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (William Chong) writes:
>
>	I just read in Bill Hayes' Comics List that James Hudnall confirmed 
>rumors that GL:Mosaic, Justice Society of America and Aquaman has been 
>cancelled!!!!!!!!

Aquaman has been cancelled. But...Peter David will be doing a miniseries
(kind of an "Aquaman: Year 1") that sounds pretty good (he read the script
of the first issue), and then Aquaman will start again at #1 with Peter
writing.
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