HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfriedl@TUBBY.MACH.CS.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl)
Subject: Re: (none)
Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Omron Corporation / Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:09:21 GMT

yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn) writes:
|> It only took a few weeks to learn the kana, it is weel worth the effort.

Frankly, kana can be learned in one day (well, one for each is what I and
many have done).

With help from someone that knows, learn to write "a". Then "a e".
Then "a e u e o"....
So spend maybe five minutes to learn "a e u e o".
Then go on to "ka ki ku ke ko".
Ok, now you've spent 10 minutes and know "ka ki ku ke ko", but you've
forgotten "a e u e o" which you learned five minutes ago, so go back and
learn those again.  By the time you've done that, you'll have forgotten
"ka ki ku ke ko" (well, maybe you've remembered one or two).
So learn those again, and continue with "sa shi su se so".
Then back to the others. Then back to these, then on to the next.

After an hour or two, you'll probably be able to write well over half
the kana table. Just keep writing it over and over and over (and over).
After another hour you'll be able to write the whole thing.
And to learn them in one day makes them a *much* less fearsom thing
(now if I could only learn the kanji in one day :-)

The next day you'll get maybe half of them, so start over again.
Keep doing it. Over and over. Then read. If you're in Japan, read every
kana you see, even if you don't understand it. And did I say keep writing
it? Do it.

Spend another day to learn the other kana.

Personally, I've found hiragana to be of astronomically more usefullness
than katakana, so I'd start with hiragana. Sure, you'll have to wait one
day before you can read "tabako" and "supotsu", but so what?

So now you know the kanas, so what? Well, never write romaji again unless
you have to, or hell freezes over, or you're writing a post on in a 7-bit
English-letter world.  Specifically, if you make study flash cards (very
effective for my studying), certainly don't use romaji.  Make's it less
useful to have someone help you study.... while studying German I had my
English-only speaking sister help me, 'cause she could at make an attempt
at reading the German, but with Japanese.....

Anyway, learning kana is not a big deal, I think, but as Alan says
above, *well* worth the effort.

Tad (P)? Mark (C)? Alton (H)? Bill (L)? Your thoughts?

	*jeff*
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Omron Corporation, Section RZC, Shimokaiinji, Nagaokakyo Kyoto 617, Japan
Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon University
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: thalawyn@CHARITY.SAS.UPENN.EDU (Thalawyn of Silverwood)
Subject: New List Manager
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:08:07 GMT

   Mina-san;
   Jon LaCure has been chosen as the next list manager.

   I guess that's it.  Again my apologies for the problems the last month
with my account's machine being terminated without my knowing.  If any email
was sent to that account since December 16th I will probably never know of it.
   Thalawyn
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: SATTAKA@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Takeshi Sato)
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:08:31 GMT

(English) Don't forget Tienanmen.
(Japanese) Ten-an-mon o wasureruna.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: tauq7@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Wai Ho)
Subject: How do I read kanji scripts..
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:12:29 GMT

Hi everyone !
  I'm new to this list and have seen some articles which have kanji
described in cryptic ASCII characters.I assume that there is some
program which can interpret this characters and display the proper kanji
characters.I wish to know about this....

Thanks in advance..
Wai Ming HO

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: masseyj@NOVAVAX.NOVA.EDU (James Massey)
Subject: Miyazawa (no, not the PM)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:40:15 GMT

That explains the break-up:  Takahanada voted for Bush! :\

BTW, Akebono looked great today at Meiji Shrine.  When it comes to Sumo,
HAWAIIANS RULE!  If Oh can hit more home runs than Aaron, Akebono can be
Yokozuna (and Musashimaru in a few years too).

Now, how to tie this all in with NIHONGO...

Jim Massey
Nova University
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: is this group about Japanese language or what?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:38:33 GMT
Organization: unaffiliated
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Keywords: claims on thie newgroup

In article <asano.727633679@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> asano@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Yoshiteru ASANO) writes:
>I noticed that there are so many articles on computer-related matters in this
>newsgroup.  Is this the original purpose of the group?  I thought this group
>is to talk about "Japanese language", about its grammar and other 'linguistic'
>aspects of Japanese.  Am I wrong?  Is there any other newsgroup appropriate
>for talking about Japanese-related computer affairs?

You are correct. Although I have tried to foster the discussion of
grammatical topics of interest, I am guilty of using this newsgroup
for computer-Japanese related questions and answers.

But in a sense, it is still Japanese-language related. The complexity
of the language requires complex software to deal with. And, if not
here, where should such questions be asked? We could start a newsgroup
called comp.japanese-language-support or something, but the number of
posts to this group are of a low enough level not to warrant that as
yet. Also a large number of us do *not* have USENET access but only
receive this group via e-mail. Any discussion outside this group would
never be received by them and many are interested in the computing
aspect of Japanese. Still, we may want to keep the possiblity of
creating another newsgroup in mind for later however--if an when
things get out of hand.
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               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Need help with problems installing MOKE on notebook
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:30:00 GMT
Organization: unaffiliated
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu


I'm attempting to install MOKE on a Toshiba notebook I picked up.  I
decided to go through with the attempt even though in the MOKE docs
Mark says he once couldn't get it to work on a Toshiba. Unfortunately,
he doesn't say what the problem was, and I'm not sure if my problem is
an inherent incompatability or my own lack of understanding of the
software.

Here goes:

System: 8088, 3MB Semiconductor HD, CGA, DOS 3.3, files=20, buffers=10

The first time I tried installing, I unzipped all zip files into a
subdirectory named "moke" on the harddisk. Many filenames are
hardwired to be found in a subdir named "kanji", so I created that
subdir and moved any files moke would complain about not finding into
that subdir. After skkjis, skkjis.ind, revtab, moke.rc and the two
font files were moved (and moke.rc was set properly for my system),
moke would finally load. It looked okay but some of the help seemed
missing (F1 gave a partial list of keys saying "Press h for more", but
if you did that it's say it couldn't fine the main help.)

I was playing with it and it crashed on a kanji lookup. Rebooting I
saw that disk space was down to 0. Figuring that probably not all the
right files were in \kanji anyway, and that revtab may have been
generated incorrectly, I deleted everything and freed up some space on
the harddisk. Then I got the bright idea of just unzipping every thing
into \kanji to begin with so there was no way things wouldn't be
found. I did that, generated revtab, and set moke.rc. Moke loaded and
all the help was there. Everything was working EXCEPT that the STATUS
LINE and ENTERLINE were not being displayed. That means I can't see
what input mode I'm in nor any of the kanji candidates when there are
multiple choices. Needless to say, this makes it practically useless.

Does anyone know what's going on here or have any suggestions?

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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: kagotani@cs.titech.ac.jp (Hiroto Kagotani)
Subject: Re: Help with kinput2 and kterm
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Tokyo Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:54:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.211210.23329@edsr.eds.com> jamii@edsr.eds.com (Jamii K. Corley) writes:

>  I've built and installed Wnn, kterm 5.1.1, kinput2 and they all run, but
> when I invocate kinput conversion keystrokes go both to the kinput2 conversion
> program and to kterm. As a result I get romaji and hiragana echoed at the 
> same time.

Some patchlevels of Xt cause the problem.  Please use the newest one.
--
Hiroto Kagotani <kagotani@cs.titech.ac.jp>
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: What word is this??
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:20:40 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


	In Kawabata's Sho no syousetu (palm of hand stories)
	in the story "Natu to Huyu" on page 3 there is a word,
	"haehairazu" (with the characters for hae "fly" (the insect)
	and "hairu" (enters)).  Is this a screen door?

	I've checked Nelsons, and others--but no luck.  Anyone?


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From: oi@cs.meiji.ac.jp (Hitoshi Oi)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japanese softwares ftp cite in UK
Date: 21 Jan 93 04:52:32 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Meiji University, Japan.

Dear folks

	I'm going to attend University of Bristol, UK.  I would like to
	set up Japanese software environment there.  Could you please 
	teach me any ftp cite in the U.K. which provides:
	kterm, nemacs, skk, gnus

	And I also want a cite which can feed fj news groups

Thanks in advance
Hitoshi Oi
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: djlgb@attme.UUCP
Subject: Re: language translator association
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:50:19 GMT

the enclopedia of associations mentioned in this letter is from Gale Reserch
Company in Detroit, Michigan USA.  Most reference libraries will have the new
1993 edition.
good luck.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: ai26500@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Prince Ali-A-BooBoo )
Subject: Re: Japanese
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:44:18 GMT

yuki@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ITO Takayuki) writes:

>In article <9168@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> 
>	deng@edison.seas.ucla.edu (Christopher H. Deng) writes:

> >  Sorry, this doesn't quiet belong to Anime, but this is the only place where
> >I can think of anyone who could have a chance of speaking Japanese.

>Why don't you ask in sci.lang.japan? There will be many professionals.

> >Please tell me what rule(s) govern the usage of "ga" and "wa" and "no" and 
> >other particles, most importantly on "ga" and "wa"  They are driving me
> >nuts.

>  The difference between "ga" and "wa" is veeerrry difficult question.
>  If you'd like to know it exactly, I recommend you to refer suitable
>books on the Japanese language.

>--
>			ITO Takayuki <yuki@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
>			Senior, Department of Infomation Science,
>			Faculty of Science, University of Tokyo, JAPAN.

Well, let me give it a try......basically it all depends on what or
which part of the sentense you are trying to emphasize.  "ga" is to 
emphasize the noun...(the doer preceeding the "ga") wa is just an object
marker and the action not the doer is emphasize.
that, I think is the basic idea of what my meager japanese could do for you.

be nice with your flames please :P
bye all

Japanese wanna be :PPPPPPPP

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: xepo@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU (Scott R Violet)
Subject: Re: FAQ: word lists available ?
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:20:59 GMT

In article <9301261501.AA02488@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>Excuse a novice on this list, but I have what I feel is bound to
>be a "Frequently Asked Question":
>
> I am trying to locate a file containing japanese/english word pairs
> for vocabulary practice. Even a small seed would help,
> I plan to put it behind a home-spun exercise program and enlarge it
> myself with time.
>
>Another FAQ: Is there a FAQ list of answers on the language anywhere ?
>             No archives at MITVMA, it seems.
>

HI,
	I would really be interested in seeing any interesting
messages that you might have got from this post.
Thanks,


--

		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: cw@U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Cheryl Walker)
Subject: Re: What is the duty of UN?
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:03:24 GMT

Do you have the fax number?  I tried to follow the thread back, but
I missed it.

Thanks!

Cheryl Walker
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:35:35 GMT
Summary: agreed

In article <jwb.728178914@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>, jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
> hbarnes@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Hal Barnes) writes:
> 
> [Thanks, Hal, for the nice things you say about the goodies on monu6.]
> 
> No, learn kana. It's worth it.
> 
> Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J

I couldn't agree more with what Jim has said, I have used JDIC and love it. I've
been studing Japanese for about 9 months. At the beginning we use romaji and I
found that it hampered my learning. Also I found myself mispronouncing english
words because I was grouping the characters into the wrong sounds. 

It only took a few weeks to learn the kana, it is weel worth the effort.


-- 
Alan LaPenn      att!mvuxd!yy          .signature not found!
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: eroche@RND.STERN.NYU.EDU (Ed Roche)
Subject: Re: True Type Kanji/Kana
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:00:18 GMT

I have a friend from Japan buying a powerbook tommorrow and I waas wondering
if it is possible to get Japanese 7.1 mac system in the U.S. -- orwhether it
really makes any difference.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: johnf@HQ.Ileaf.COM (John Finlayson)
Subject: Re: Looking for a Japanese Word Processor For MS-DOS
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:00:10 GMT

In article <21JAN93.22118397.0093@VM1.MCGILL.CA> BFLV@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BFLV) writes:
>Could anyone tell the FTP addresses where I can find Japanese word
>processors for MS-DOS or Windows ?  ThanX!
>
>
>                                               M.Y.

JWP is a Japanese word processor for English Windows 3.x.

kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov     (/pub/misc)
ftp.uwtc.washington.edu (/pub/Japanese)
From: sekii@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Takashi Sekii)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: RE:
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:02:34 GMT
Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge

In article <9301261558.AA03967@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, RWESTMOR@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Robert Westmoreland) writes:
|> "Oboenakucha
|> " or "oboenakya" are colloquial equivalents of "oboenakute(wa)",
|> so "oboenakucha ikemasen" means "don't forget." "Oboechatta" =
|>  "oboete-shimatta"= "I forgot after all." I think.

Waaait! "Oboechatta"="oboete-shimatta"="I have memorized."
What was the original question?

-- 

Takashi
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sekii@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk     Madingley Road, Cambridge CB3 0HA, UK
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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: FAQ: word lists available ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:41:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <{1#@byu.edu> luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) writes:
>In article <9301261501.AA02488@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>>Excuse a novice on this list, but I have what I feel is bound to
>>be a "Frequently Asked Question":
>
>> I am trying to locate a file containing japanese/english word pairs
>> for vocabulary practice. Even a small seed would help,
>> I plan to put it behind a home-spun exercise program and enlarge it
>> myself with time.
>
>For what level are you looking?  I have a fairly extensive list of 3rd
>year words that I could send you ("fairly extensive" = 18 pages).  What
>formats can you accept?  It's WordPerfect 2.2J, but I can dump a text
>file and mail it to you, if you can handle that.


	Likewise, I have the first 6 lessons of the text, 
	"Current Japanese:  Intercultural Communication" 
	(Yoshiko Higurashi) in edict/Kanji-Guess format.
	(Though, the vocabulary is not broken down by lesson).

	I think it's in EUC format, but I can convert.

	This may not be useful as a "FAQ word list" (a hopeless
	idea, anyway).  Here, we use the text in the 4th year
	..  Useless, though, if you don't know the kana. 

	I used to have a copy of the vocabulary from all of the
	Hartz Jorden "Japanese: The Spoken Language" books, but
	I lost that (:-( ) in an HD crash.


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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: 326pc@gab.unt.edu (GAB 330 PC STATION #26)
Subject: Looking for help...
Organization: College of Arts and Sciences
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:12:26 GMT

Welp, I am seeking a pen-pal from Japan, and yet I have no idea how to go 
about doing this.  If anyone could help me out by telling me where to go and 
get information, or if they could send me the information I need to find 
one, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks...

MMc - Matthew McGarity - II67@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
From: KAGAYA@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU
Subject: Re: "mongen" question supplementary
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:22:00 GMT

Yes, I lived in a dormitory when I was a freshman of university in Tokyo.
The "mongen" was 10:00p.m. and it was very strict.  If a student is late for
"mongen" (even for a second), the student committee and the advisors of the
dormitory got together and asked the student the reason of being late.  Also,
the student had to write a letter to the above committee which expresses the
student's apology for being late, and then the student was assigned with a
task, such as cleaning bathroom, kitchen, etc.  If a student miss "mongen"
twice, the student had to move out from the dormitory.
I think most of university dormitories in Tokyo has "mongen," though it may
not as strict as the above case.
From: jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu (Jon Wiederspan)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Mac Japanese word processor
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:51:35 GMT
Organization: Technical Japanese Program
NNTP-Posting-Host: harajuku.tjp.washington.edu
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X-XXDate: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:49:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.164714.22761@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ,
sel1783@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> I'm looking for a japanese word processor for use on a macintosh
classic II
> 4/80.  I'd like a program similar to Kanji-talk that converts english
into
> kanji and kana. I'd especially like a shareware or freenet version since
> I'm just a struggling college student. 
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Sharon Lefebvre

If you're asking for a free/shareware replacement for KanjiTalk, I think
you're out
of luck.  The only way to use Japanese on a Macintosh without using
KanjiTalk is SweetJAM, an extension that works in the English MacOS to
provide Japanese in a few programs, like Microsoft Word.  SweetJAM isn't
cheap, though, and it's never worked well for me.

The question of a word processor is completely separated from questions
about KanjiTalk.  KanjiTalk is the operating system and provides the
romaji->kana->kanji conversion.  The word processors take advantage of
this, but they don't do it themselves.  The best Japanese word processor
for the Mac (in my opinion) is SoloWriter.  It gives you many advanced
functions and page layout capabilities.  Since you're on a budget, I'd
recommend ASLEdit+, miniWriter, YooEdit, or any other free/shareware
editor you can find.  Most of these are available on
ftp.uwtc.washington.edu, although that site will be down for a couple
more days.

Jon Wiederspan
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: rtamblyn@GANDALF.OTAGO.AC.NZ
Subject: Can I join this group?
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15: 59:09 TZONE
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:59:21 GMT

Dear Sir,

I would like to join the Japanese list-serve that you are running.  My main
interest is in the area of CALL, but it would also be good to recieve news
of a more general nature.  Japanese studies is starting up at this
university this year, so I will be referring the new lecturers to your
address: don't be surprised if you get several more requests to join from
Otago University.  If you have a list of any general FAQ or other documents
that can be requested via email I would be very interested and I will pass
these on to other interested people.

Looking forward to receiving news from you.

Yours,
Rodney Tamblyn
(CALL Consultant, Computer Services Centre,
Otago University, Dunedin, New Zealand.
ph 64 3 479 7705  fax 479 8577
email rodney@otago.ac.nz)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan