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From: daveh@Auspex.COM (David Higgen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Rutles
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:00:34 GMT
Distribution: ba

Anyone know of a source of the Rutles video(s) in the bay area? (I assume it
*is* available somewhere?)... plenty of Monty Python etc in the
local Blockbusters & such, but no Rutles...   8-(

Thanks,

		Dave Higgen (daveh@auspex.com)
From: dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: E-mail "Beatles in other songs"
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:16:17 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Just a reminder. To keep r.m.b from getting clogged with posts on this subject
(too late!), please email your contributions to dthompson@mgi.com

Thanks,
MOKO
From: brett.pasternack@hal9000.UUCP (Brett Pasternack) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: RE: KINKS
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: brett.pasternack@hal9000.UUCP (Brett Pasternack) 

-> By the way, does anyone know if the Kinks are still together,
-> recording, or what? Haven't heard from them in at least 3 years
-> now....
They signed to Columbia records a year or so ago. They put an EP out
quickly but the full-album keeps getting pushed back. Hopefully it won't
take as long as Dave's solo album! B^)
---
 . QNet3. . [WNet] Zooman's Zoo BBS - (908) 382-0326 - HST - 2 Nodes
From: CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles and Pink Floyd (Was: Re:  beatles in other songs)
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:53:57 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Nov10.053625.14612@math.ucla.edu>
dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:

>
>In article <lftmqbINNsc@news.bbn.com> welch@bbn.com (Tom Welch Jr.) writes:
>>bdonahue@mace.cc.purdue.edu (brian) writes:
>>
>>[Stuff deleted]
>>Pink Floyd recorded their first album "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn", in Abb
>>Road...at the same time that the Beatles were recording Sgt. Pepper. I read
>>that Paul came into their studio when they were recording, and listened...
>
>I'm not sure who listened, but the Fabs and the Floyd were indeed in
>Abbey Road during the same time period, and there are stories floating
>around that either Paul or John popped in to see what Floyd were up to.

I recall reading that the Floyd popped into Abbey Road to meet the
Beatles (their idols) during the Pepper sessions and the fabs were
so stoned that the Floyd were shocked.  Having said that I must admit
that the source for this tidbit is the biographiction LOJL by Albert
Golddigger. Therefore, any resemblance to the truth is purely
coincidental.  BTW have I blown my credability with rmb?

cg
From: henny@uieea.ece.uiuc.edu (Henny Graupe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Uncle Albert
Summary: lyrics request
Keywords: lyrics request
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:16:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: uieea.henny.720940599
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Though not exactly a Beatles song, would anyone know where I could
find the lyrics to McCartneys Uncle Albert/ Admiral Halsey song?

Also what exactly is the relationship between the song and any real
characters?

thanks for any info.
Henny
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sixties newsgroup (was: Rolling Stones)
Date: 14 Nov 1992 04:03:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

GERRY_KENDAL@ACT.EDUC.UALBERTA.CA (Gerry Kendal) writes:
> [...] (aka r.m.oldies) [...]

No, no, then it'll be full of stuff about Frank Sinatra and/or Paul Anka.
If anything it should be rec.music.1964-1968!
From: kent_f1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles Recording Anomolies
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:03:21 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

> (Greg O'Rear) writes:
> One of my favorite background noises is at the end of "Twist and Shout" where
> John, having sung his throat to shreds, exclaims, "Cor!" (in an English accent,
> of course, sounding like "C'h!" or something, which I suppose ultimately
> derives from the exclamation "God!" ("God" -> "Gawd" -> "Cor" (cor blimey!)))
> 

Cor??? It sounds like "yea!" to me.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Re: unlurking, and switching from vinyl to cd
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:06:42 GMT

bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
: | I must own up to being close to traumatized (sp) when
: |I went into the Abbey Road studios for the sessions in 1983 and heard
: |what I assume to be 1st generation copies of master tapes playing
: |through the studio sound system.
: |
: |The sound was so different that it was barely recognizable as the
: |music that I'd grown up with.  Give me that sound at home, however you
: |do it and I'd be wellpleased.
: 
: Resolutely not mentioning the feelings of envy aroused by this message,
: I'd like more explanation about what's different listening in the studio.
: Do you mean that the transfer to record (or to CD as the case may be)
: loses information?  Or do you mean that Abbey Road has better speakers
: than we do at home?  Or is it that there are a lot of tape dubs between
: the master tapes and the consumer recording?  Or were you hearing
: unmixed multitrack?  Or what?


I'm not a hi fi buff in particular.  Common sense tells me that each
and every process between the origianl performance up to the point of
delivery has to degrade the signal - by whatever as small amount as
the latest advances in technology will allow.

I don't know how far removed from the masters the tapes were in Abbey
Road - but the soundtrack was the same and was thus not being fiddled
with during the show (unline in the recent TV special :-).

I DO know how differeent it sounded.  And that is the core of my angst
- what I got at home was hardly like the very good quality in the
studio (OK, you'd hardly expect otherwise, but the gap was HUGE -even
to my aged ears)

Just to prove that I'm not an unreconstructed CD bigot, the best
version I've got of Please Please Me is an original Gold Label mono -
cracking quality far better than CD!

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"
From: rgranvil@bbn.com (Rob Granville)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:37:24 GMT
     <2240@deadmin.ucsd.edu> <Bx985M.DKH@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
Organization: BBN
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>Subject: Re: beatles in other songs

I have yet to see any mention of "My Boyfriend Got a Beatle Haircut" (I
don't remember the artist). Nor have I seen anyone mention "Glass Onion,"
which directly mentions Paul. I waded through a backlog of messages
fairly quickly. Was "Living in the Material World" mentioned? John, Paul
, and Ringo are all referred to there. How about "All the Young Dudes,"
which has a line about "the Beatles and Stones"?

Rob Granville
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: Robin Akins
Subject: mistakes - grit my teeth
Organization: HCS - Public Access Unix for Central Illinois (309-676-0409)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:44:19 GMT

 While I've been reading the thread on mistakes or misques, I too
believe it becomes the personality of each recording and easily
overlooked.  Even blattant engineering overlooks such as Ringo's
squeeky bass pedal in 'All I've Got To Do' becomes part of the songs
personna. But of all their recordings the one that makes me grit
my teeth is Paul's first bass note in the trailing choir in
'Ticket to Ride'. "my baby don't care" (B flat) of course it should
be an (A). It's hard for me to believe that they didn't know it was
there. 

-- 
............................................................................
Robin J. Akins                HCS -  Public Access Unix for Central Illinos 
Peoria,Il.                                    Local Net Access 309-676-0409
309-676-0408  UUCP: uunet!hcsvax!robin      INET: robin%hcsvax@uunet.uu.net
From: cs151fa@lamar.ColoState.EDU ()
Subject: Re: Only A Northern Song
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:18:53 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Nov9.171328.18035@menudo.uh.edu> edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu writes:
>In article <Nov09.163028.56677@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>  
>cs151fa@lamar.ColoState.EDU () writes:
>> >
>> >Another thing, on Yellow Submarine film, there is a verse in All Too Much
>> >song, that is not on the version on the album of the same name. Does
>> >anyone know the reason for that? Is the alternative version available
>> >on stereo elsewhere than on the movie soundtrack?
>> 
>> According to Jeff Russell's album file/discography, yes the movie and the
>> soundtrack version of It's All Too Much have one verse difference.  However,
>> it's up in the air as to why this is.  In fact, according to Russell, both
>> versions were edited from the same 30 minute recording, but this has never
>> been verified (unfortunately).
>> 
>> BTW, if nobody out there has heard of Russell's book, I recommend it, as it
>> tells interesting things about the songs, give clues as to the meanings of
>> them, give instrumentation credits, and tell of all the neat hidden messages
>> in songs (my personal favorite is still the morse code in Strawberry Fields).
>> 
>
>
>Ummm, Jeff Russell's book is not the most reliable of sources.   In fact,
>it goes pretty far down on my personal list.  It seems as if Russell *made up*  
>the majority of his facts  (at one point he claims George played the viola?! --
>utter nonsense).   Further, being a decade old (and well before Lewisohn  
>revolutionized Beatles research with _The Book_) what accurate information that  
>is presented is covered much better, and in a much more complete form  
>elsewhere.
>
>In short, save your money on this one, and buy something from Lewisohn (if you  
>don't already own all of his books), or one of the recent pretty-picture books  
>from Linda or Mike McCartney.
>
><ESC>
>--
>..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
>                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
>
>                                


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ifsa@quads.uchicago.edu (andrea m koziol)
Subject: Rubber Soul on cd
Followup-To: unlurking, and switching from vinyl to cd
Summary: Dizzy in the head, and I feel good 
Reply-To: ifsa@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:19:02 GMT

Greetings, all.  I am the original poster of 'switching from vinyl to cd.'
first of all, thanks to one and all who sent me e-mail or posted with 
reminiscences and encouragement.  Second of all, I never meaant to start an
argument about the relative merits of vinyl or cd.  Let's listen to what we
like or can afford, and perhaps wish we could have been in Abbey Road Studios
listening to the master tapes with Stephen Carter  :-)
That said....
	To make my first listening to RS a wonderful experience, and lacking
headphones, I arranged my speakers on the floor to be about 1 foot to 
either side of my head on a pillow (ah, just like Junior High School),started
up the cd player, turned off the lights, and presto! I was transported into a 
world of stereo separation, gorgeous harmonies, jangly guitar, trashy
electric piano, and pretty neat bass and rhythm lines.  WOW.  the piano in
Drive My Car sent shivers down spine (as did the bass) and nearly blew a fuse
in my head.  Luckily no one was at home to catch me singing tunelessly along
with The Word.
	I have a few questions concerning RS.  If these are Frequently-
Noted-Items I apologize, I've only read the last 600 of the 12000+ postings on
this newsgroup.
	1--Isn't there supposed to be more guitar at the beginning of I'm
looking through you?
	2-- Is it just my cd or is there only one channel (mono?) for the 
first few bars of Run for your Life?

	So: The different song order is hard on us Americans.  Generally I 
think the Beatles hit some great grooves on Rubber Soul.  No memories of mine
were destroyed in listening to RS.  I have a new relationship to these songs
now.  I liken it to watching children grow up.  You have wonderful memories
of these adorable children, but now you are facing a young adult, and your
relationship to this person has correspondingly changed.  The memories are not
gone; they coexist with today's reality.  Vinyl and cd memories caan do the
same.
	Now, as for Beatles fever: quick action is called for.  I have
already talked to 'Santa' (aka Dad) and mentioned other cds and books by a 
certain Mr. Lewisohn.  Dad and I are also discussing a Fab filmfest.

ifsa@midway.uchicago.edu
Hold my hand, I'm just a stranger in paradise... beepbeep beepbeep yeah!
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles Recording Anomolies
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:55:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <7912@transfer.stratus.com> bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes:
>However, I'm hard put to believe that those are punch outs.  I've done a
>fair bit of recording in studios ranging from 4 to 32 track.  Only the
>absolute worst tape machine leaves any kind of a noise from a punch in
>or a punch out.  And these are mega-noises!  Of course in 1966, the 
>technology for this kind of recording wasn't as advanced as it is now.

you answered your own question here. :)  yes, modern tape recorders
(even low priced models) are good at NOT leaving punch-in/out noises,
but these were VERY old machines they were using - even by 1966 standards.
yes, those noises are punch-ins/outs.  more precisely, they are the 
sounds of what was being recorded as the tape STARTS to move.  since
there is (was) a lag-time in the tape machine motor getting up to full
speed, the machine would start recording while the tape was moving
slightly slower than normal, so that on playback, the sound would be
sped up.  therefore, you hear these little high-pitch glitches that
sound like a tape being rewound.

-- 
( dave prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu or prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu    )
( "pretty duplicitous wicked and evil media ready heartless and they were   )
(  super u.s. citizens super achiever mega ultra power dozing relax defense )
(  defense defense defense yeah yeah yeah" - r.e.m., "ignoreland"           )
From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Re: Silly John Songs ...
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:19:22 GMT
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.

In rec.music.beatles, jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

> williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:

> >As much as I hate to start this...
> >It seems to me that silly Paul song is far too easy. I can't help asking  
> >if anyone could name some silly John songs. This seems like more of a  
> >challenge, but then again what do I know.

> Well, I *know* he didn't write it, but how about "Ya Ya" from
> Walls & Bridges...

> 			James Willer
> [any opinions above must be registered with the federal government]


I don't mind someone bringing up this subject again.  There are many
new people reading this newsgroup all the time so, if some oldtimers
would rather avoid it,  they could skip right over it.

But it's true that John wrote some *damn* silly love songs.

The tops on the list is 'Oh Yoko'

. . .In the middle of a shave
     In the middle of a shave I call your name
     Oh Yoko


And how about most of the love songs of the early Beatles period.  I love
most of them, but they are kinda silly  
"When I'm walking beside her
 People tell me I'm lucky
 Yes I know I'm a lucky guy. . ."

 Dennis
 dennis@hpwrc11.mayfield.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Vocal Elimination the easy way (was Re: Beatle Anomalies)
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:18:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.214347.19254@midway.uchicago.edu> enf1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

For the record, this technique is known as "OOPSing" (for Out of Phase Stereo),
and has been employed on Beatle bootlegs for ages.    The White Album is prime
for such treatment, particularly "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" (where John's silly
comments become audible), and "Birthday" (which brings the backing vocals to
the fore).  An OOPS'ed recording will *always* be mono -- so beware any boots
claiming to have a mono "vocal mixdown" of a song.

>You don't need a computer to cancel out the center channels of records.
>Essentially, there are two ways of doing this, one of which works only for
>LPs, and the other in general.
>
[rewiring cartridge directions deleted]

An additional, and somewhat easier method for doing this is building a switch
box for the speakers.  The parts for such a device are common, and cost no more
then a couple bucks.

>My brother says he has done something similar for CDs by reversing the
>polarity of one channel and disconnecting the ground wire to the other;
>I haven't tried this myself, so I may not have the details exactly correct.
>
>The other method (good only for playback, not for making tapes) works for
>any signal source.  To use this method of cancellation, disconnect the
>wires going from your speakers to the amplifier ground.  Leave the + wires
>connected, however.  Then connect the - wires from both speakers to each
>other, so that both speakers are connected in a loop going from the right +
>to the left +.  This method has the advantage that you can use the balance
>control to make the cancellation more precise.
>

...and, the simplest way is to buy a stereo surround-sound receiver.  With a
standard stereo input source, the front speakers are sent *all* the sound
meant for both channels, while the rear speakers are sent only part of the
sound.   (the same signal is sent to each of the surround speakers if the
source was only encoded for regular stereo)  By leaving the receiver in
surround mode, and turning off the front speakers, the result is the OOPS'ed
recording being sent through the rear speakers.

'Nuff said

<ESC>


-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: a70901@uwasa.fi (Mikko Suhonen)
Subject: Re: Only A Northern Song
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:05:22 GMT

>
>According to Jeff Russell's album file/discography, yes the movie and the
>soundtrack version of It's All Too Much have one verse difference.  However,
>it's up in the air as to why this is.  In fact, according to Russell, both
>versions were edited from the same 30 minute recording, but this has never
>been verified (unfortunately).
>
>BTW, if nobody out there has heard of Russell's book, I recommend it, as it
>tells interesting things about the songs, give clues as to the meanings of
>them, give instrumentation credits, and tell of all the neat hidden messages
>in songs (my personal favorite is still the morse code in Strawberry Fields).
>
>Anyways... enough rambling on... ho, hum...
>
>Mike (cs151fa@lamar.colostate.edu - at least for another month or so ;-)

I agree, Russell's book is excellent, if you ignore few pieces of mis-
information (f.eg. Russell still claims that Get Back version on Let It Be
album was live, although the versions on single and album are the same except 
the muttering in the beginning and in the end of the album version).
I would recomend Jeff Russel's book as a good source of information on
Beatles recordings, and it is not so much (to some people) unnecessary 
details as Mark Levisohn's book.

-- 
Mikko Suhonen
Vaasa, Finland
(a70901@uwasa.fi)
From: lyle@utkvx3.utk.edu (Bradley S. Lyle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Why I Like Vinyl, Part III
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:26:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkvx3.11NOV199214263911
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxJ4H2.CCx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(NOWHERE MAN) writes:
>Another reason for vinyl is that record sleeves don't break
>in a million pieces when you drop them on the floor :)

 While on the subject of records sleeves, one of the reason that I miss vinyl
is the whole fasicanation with album covers.  The Beatles were indeed pioneers
when it came to album covers.  When the emphasis swicthed to cassette, nobody
seemed to make a big deal of it anymore, how could you with an area about 1/10
of an album cover.  With C.D.s, the area has gotten bigger but I serious doubt
if we are going to see anything with the likes of Sergeant Pepper's any time in
the near future.
Oh well, chalk that up to my romantic nature.  
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer)
Subject: The Rutles (was Re: Various questions...)
Reply-To: enf1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:40:43 GMT

OK, It's time for me to make myself look very ignorant!

My copy of The Rutles includes the following songs:
A: Hold My Hand; Number One; With a Girl Like You; I Must be in Love; Ouch!;
   Living in Hope; Love Life; Nevertheless
B: Good Times Roll; Doubleback Alley; Cheese and Onions; Another Day;
   Piggy in the Middle; Let's Be Natural.

These are the same songs I've seen on other copies of the record as well.
So where do songs like Goose Step Mama, Baby Let Me Be, Blue Suede Schubert,
Between Us, It's Looking Good, and Get Up and Go come from?  Are these
songs from the film only and not on the soundtrack?

Someone who can enlighten me, please do so!

Thanks,
Eric Fischer
enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: nahas1@husc8.harvard.edu (Stephanie Nahas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Various questions...
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:31:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov12.033103.17366
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'm back...


In article <1donvuINNfvk@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:

>	1 - 'You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)' is a truly
>	wonderful track. Why hasn't it been mixed into stereo?

Agreed! I don't know, I can only venture a guess that it's because it was
never taken very seriously. I mean, it took them like 22 months to even realize
that they might want to release it. In the beginning, only a rough mono remix
was made from the tapes for acetate cutting purposes. Guess they just never
took it to the stereo stage when overdub time came. I don't know... Anyone?

>	4 - Any Rutles fans out there? Part of the fun of their
>	album is trying to work out which Beatles songs are being
>	parodied. Some of the Rutles songs correspond pretty
>	obviously (i.e. Get Up And Go = Get Back) but there's a few I'm
>	not too sure about, like 'It's Looking Good' and 'Cheese And Onions'...
>	lists anyone?	

Yes yes!! I love 'em! The Rutles is definitely one of the best movies ever
made. "It's Looking Good" rips a lick off "I'm Looking Through You." Plus, it
just sounds like a bunch of stuff from that time. "Cheese and Onions" is from
The Rutles' only animated film feature, _Yellow Submarine Sandwich._ Sounds
like mellow John to me.

I must run now. It was nice posting again! :)

See y'all...



-- 
Stephanie Nahas            "A man never stands so tall as when he
nahas1@husc.harvard.edu     stoops to help someone else."  
                               --the great showman Florenz Ziegfeld