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From: rec@arris.com (Roger Critchlow)
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Organization: ARRIS Pharmaceutical, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:24:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.153915.8894@netwise.com> pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>
>First off, continue to improve your braking. Really good stoppers can spill
>about a MPH/foot; you had at least twice that distance to stop.
>
>Second, I'd say learn when to ditch. If you've learned how to fall and have on
>reasonable pants, a 15mph ditch should be injury-free. A good fall is basiclly
>an organized collapse backwards and to the side.
>

Third, adopt some means of alerting the inattentive to your approach.
Unless you've got really sloppy bearings, you won't be making all that
much noise as you approach.  You still need to be in control, able to
stop, prepared to dump, but the uncertainty of the situation is reduced
when everyone knows that they're in one.

I clap or click the plastic parts of my wrist guards together when I'm
overtaking pedestrians or others oblivious to my presence.  It seems to
carry pretty well.  It usually penetrates whatever fog they may be in
because it's a noise that doesn't fit and it's getting closer.  And it
fits me since my attempts at verbal alerts are usually too soft to be
heard or so loud that they startle.

Other possibilities are a whistle, a bike bell, your brake noise, and
simply yelling.

And then there are the jokes about getting one of those canned air horns
from a marine supply store, but only when recovering from a particularly
stimulating encounter on the trails.

>>Andy Hill
>>ahill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
>
>Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
>Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280

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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: Dale English@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: FAQ: after-market products for in-line skating
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:35:12 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


Along the same vein, street hockey gloves seem to work well for in-line
skating protection.  I play street hockey, floor hockey, etc. so it was only
natural for me to use my street hockey gloves when I started inlining.  Of
course, I also pick up a stick while skating...

Dale English
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Skating Magazines
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Keywords: all
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:31:37 GMT


During one of the recent Ice programs (sorry, couldn't find it 
on any tape), I'm sure I saw an ice skater backstage reading a
magazine that appeared to be titled Balde or Blades -- any info?

-- 
Nothing happens here

	...Wex
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:49:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.161929.19062@watson.ibm.com> Dale English@watson.ibm.com writes:
>Go for the laces.  I have a pair if RollerTech inline skates that I got for
>Christmas and they have laces halfway up the skate and a top buckle.  Whoever
>designed the buckle should be shot because it keeps slipping whenever I put
>some pressure on it (skating backwards, things of that nature).  [...]

This is probably more a commentary on how RollerTech attaches the buckles than
a categorical reason to avoid buckles entirely.

In order to work well, it's necessary for the lever arm of the buckle to be on
the side of the boot, and for the prawl (the thing that ratchets) to be near
the front of the boot. Most skates have some sort of overlap on the piece of
boot plastic that the prawl is riveted to.

Look at the Rollerblade skates; they do not have the problem of releasing the
buckle when there's forward pressure on the boots. I'd guess that the Bauer
and SwitcHit and Ultra Wheels and the Roces skate designs are equally
competent. A stupid design can easily cause release with forward pressure on
the buckle.

>If I were buying new skates for myself, I would go with laces all the way.

Hmmmm. I think the lower lace with an single ankle buckle is a nice tradeoff.

>Dale English

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: wwn8108@tamsun.tamu.edu (Weldon Nash)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: FAQ: after-market products for in-line skating
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:02:15 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

On the subject of Hockey Sticks....

	Mylec makes a GREAT stick for hockey.  RollerBlade also makes one
but it wears faster for some reason.  Mylec makes two versions.  The stick
with the replacable bolt-on blade and the one that has the integrated
blade.  The integrated blade is stronger and more for the serious hockey
player like myself.  It runs around $12 retail but they might make a deal
on mass-buys.  The bolt on stick retails at about $7-$8 and I have no
idea how expensive the replacement blades are since I don't buy them.

That's my word....

						-Trey

wwn8108@tamsun.tamu.edu
Electrical Engineering Dept.
Texas A&M University
From: ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:14:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr12.031402.462
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Just as an after thought, you might check out the Baker Rink over
at Princeton University.  They may have summer ice available.

Jack Wallace
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From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Subject: Re: Martini and Underhill
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.230829.8192@wdl.loral.com> zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel) writes (in part):
>Another short note on the Diet Coke competition:  Was anyone else as
>dazzled by Martini and Underhill as I was?  I thought that they were
>not just good, they were HOT!

Ever since they turned pro, this team has developed a reputation for presenting 
well-executed "steamy" routines.  And for those who missed the telecast on 
Sunday, that was their last performance together - she's expecting her first 
child in October.  How she could get away with those outfits and be able to 
execute those moves so well is quite an achievement!  

But they'll sure be missed...

Helena Robinson
AT&T
Basking Ridge, NJ
attmail!hrobinson
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...attmail!clp3b2!htr first.  If it bounces, contact Ken at rbnsn@sig.com

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From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom Blenko)
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:54:23 GMT

In article <> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
|In article <> lasala@cs.cornell.edu
|(Steve LaSala) writes:
| ...
|
|   2)  Many of the ice rinks with which I'm familiar are outdoors, or under a
|   roof with no walls, or at the least are in poorly insulated buildings.
|   It would take an enormous amount of energy to keep them frozen all summer.
|   The university did lay down some ice for a summer hockey camp, but it was
|   pretty thin and soft.
|
|I do not think it as big an energy investment as one may at first
|thought think. There is a lot of thermal inertia in water. The cost is
|up front to get it in the frozen state, and then you just need to make
|up for heat losses. Of course the open kind of rink is a looser for
|year round operation. But rinks such as the town of Pasadena's really
|is a neat thing to have year-round. Indeed, it is practical to do so
|as there are rinks that do it both up North and in the South.

So what do you expect those heat losses to be, when the ice is laid out
in a flat sheet and the ambient temperature is, say, 35-40 degrees
higher than the ice temperature?  I've heard figures of close to
$1000/day for keeping a rink open in a part of the country that gets
hot during the summer.  This is just the cost of the electricity.
There are lots of factors that go into the economics of cooling the
ice: consider that many rinks would have to pay premium rates for
electricity because their greatest need is at the time of greatest
demand (on hot afternoons).  If their peak usage was at night, they'd
get much better rates (the last guy I talked to said nighttime rates
ran around 30% of peak daytime rates). Then there is the type of
compressor, and so on.

I think Steve is closer to the truth. Even for enclosed rinks that I am
familiar with, most (I've asked) could not stay open during the summer
because their compressors don't have the capacity to handle a summer
load. Even so, many rinks closer earlier than they would have to simply
because of the economics (I believe Yale closes down during the second
week of March).

	Tom
Newsgroups: rec.skate

I had a somewhat scary experience on my inlines today.   I was skating on
an asphalt bike/walk path (approximately 6 feet wide), ~15 mph (had the
wind at my back, plus a slight downgrade), when I approached a car-stop
(three square wooden posts - about 4 feet high and the diameter of a telephone
pole - two on either edge of the path, and one in the center).  At this point,
the sides of the path drop off fairly steeply for a few feet, and are a nasty
cinder-like material.

The left side of the path was pretty much taken up by three beginner-type
inliners resting/holding-on-for-dear-life against the leftmost pole.
About 75 feet from the poles, I stopped stroking, and lined up to
go between the center and right poles (plenty of clearance).  When I was
between 25 and 50 feet from the poles, one of the newbies (guy, 40-50) starts
to roll across my lane while doing something with what looked to be a
cellular phone (why someone would be stupid enough to try to skate and talk...
well, I digress...).  Since I have a somewhat anemic stop (and it's not nearly
automatic, yet), I did a sharp cut into the left lane (no oncoming traffic,
thank goodness), grabbed the middle pole to swing me around to the right (to
keep from hitting the other loitering skaters), then took a couple of backwards
rolls on my shoulders & helmet (my backwards skating style ain't up to a
surprise like that, yet).  Since I was able to roll instead of slide, my only
significant injury was a large bruise on the inside of my forearm from the
dance with the pole.

Anyway, I'm not particularly happy with the way I handled the emergency.
Other than the fact I managed to get though it without seriously injuring
any bystanders or myself, it seemed to be pretty sloppy.
I've been practicing my stop religiously, but it isn't anywhere near
automatic, and I'm not sure that I could've stopped that quickly even standing
on the brake.  Any skating gods have some advice on emergency techniques?
(other than what is in the FAQ list, that is).

Please keep suggestions on what I should've done to the weenie with the
cellular phone to yourselves - I've got a perfectly adequate imagination.

Thanks!

Andy Hill
ahill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com

P.S. - thanks to all the folks that suggested ways of dealing with ankle
abrasions - stroking more from my centerline, and not as far out, seems to
have cleared up the problem!
From: kewasielewsk@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:54:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <1992Apr14.092902.2318@news.Hawaii.Edu>, tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) writes:
> In article <ABOULANG.92Apr11131625@pilsner.bbn.com> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
>
>>  2) There is a less of a seasonal "prejudice" to skating in the South.
> 
> In Hawaii, our one and only ice skating rink is open year-round.  When I
> visited Michigan a few years ago I was surprised to fine no ice skating rink
> open (at least in the area where I lived) during the summer.
> 
> -- 
> Antonio Querubin  
> tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org / querubin@uhunix.bitnet

well, i feel obliged to stick up for my hometown here.  i don't know where you
were in michigan, but i've lived just outside of detroit most of my life.  now
i'll admit that my home club wasn't open year-round, but there were three ice
arenas within a 20 minute drive from my house where i skated regularly all
summer.  this i found to be the norm, rather than the exception, i might add.
here in mass., with no ice arena open nearby, it's hard not to get homesick....

(: ren

-- 
      karen wasielewski		       -|-	  my boss is a
   kewasielewsk@amherst.edu		|       jewish carpenter
-it's so easy to laugh-it's so easy to hate-it takes guts to be gentle and kind-
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:42:29 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <10APR199216203641@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch) writes:
> In article <jcl59c@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, ian@lassen.wpd.sgi.com (Ian Clements) writes...
> >In <1992Apr10.162434.28244@arris.com> rec@arris.com (Roger Critchlow) writes:
> > 
> >>I clap or click the plastic parts of my wrist guards together when I'm
> > 
> > I think adopting the calls used by cyclists is a very good approach. 
> >For example; "On your left" means that I'll pass on your left side.  Same
> >holds true for "On you right".  Be sure to acknowledge the pedestrian's 
> >effort of moving with a "thank you" as you go by.  Also, try not to be 
> >negative when calling out.
> 
> Amplifying on this, I've found people appreciate hearing what you are,
> also: "Skater on your left", etc; if there are two or more of you giving
> the number helps too: "Three skaters on your left".

I think there are two sides to this.  People appreciate hearing "skater on
left" type things, when they can hear them clearly and can understand what
is being said.  I've always found it extremely irritating when somebody
mumbles some pro-forma phrase that I can't make out and then acts like it
was supposed to mean something to me.

If you can get it out clearly, do it - but remember the goal is to inform
the person of something, not just go through the proper motions.

The other notion has some merit also - you could just silently glide up to
the person, but a enough noise to alert the person to your presence is
another courtesy.

There are no firm rules, do what you can in the situation and remember it
is both for you own good and the image you want to present...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: kforman@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ken Forman)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:03:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Inline Magazine?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.skate

> I recently saw someone refer to Inline Magazine.  If anyone has info
> on subscriptions, please e-mail me the details.
> 
> Thanks.
> Bonnie Allen
> SASBEA@vm.sas.com
> ----------

Howz' about posting it?  I've been looking for Inline or any other
magazine about Inline skating at bookstores, but can't find any.
(I'd love to get the famed 1st issue I've seen many postings on...)

Thanks in advance,

Ken Forman
ken@hpzaphod.mayfield.hp.com
From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Racing wheels placement
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:02:59 GMT
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO

In article <savaged.703321096@essun2> savaged@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Duncan Savage) writes:
>I noticed a shot of someone winning a race on a four-wheel frame w/bont's.
>He had different grade wheels in the middle and outer positions, much as
>quad skaters use different grades for different wheel position. I wonder
>if there is some significance with the four-wheelers being optimal for a 
>different mix of wheels, or something strange.

There's no significance. 5-wheel skaters will often put higher-durometer
wheels in the front and back positions. Those are the guys that get the most
wear.

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Pain In Feet Is Plantar Fasciitis
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:42:21
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
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In-reply-to: ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 5 Apr 92 16:26:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.162632.18848@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Jack L. Wallace) writes:


   There are a number of us, over 50, who skate because it helps our
   back. I don't know why, but the stroking seems to exercise those
   muscles that hurt the most.
   Note: I skate on Ice


There are also a number of us under 50 who skate in part for our
backs. When I was in grad school, I was really depressed and had lots
of back trouble.  About that time I started skating. Skating gave me
both a good mental framework exercise so that the back trouble
evaporated. The mental part helped a lot -- there is something freeing
about gliding on a good wood (or ice) surface.


Another person with a back,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: kimon@iat.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Racing wheels placement
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:12:26 GMT
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)

adchen@room.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen) writes:

>While paging thru Inline Magazine, I noticed an ad by Built For Speed
>which had two pictures of Bont boots with two different blade assemblies:

>                     /-----------\        /-----------\
>                     0  O  O  O  O        O    O O    O

>One is your regular five-wheeler, the other is only four wheels but the
>length is as long as the five-wheeler.  Also, the two middle wheels are
>set the regular distance apart, but both are a wheel-length from the
>front/back wheels.

>Is this to get the stability of 5 wheels, but to save weight by having
>only four?  Or some other reason?  To save wheels perhaps?  

I've talked to Marty Hill (the guy at Build for Speed that sells those frames)
and from what I understand, one of the main motivations for four wheels was
so that the frame could be as low as possible, so that it more closely
approximates the height of an ice speed skate.  (With four wheels, the
wheels can be closer to the boot).

>-Tony Chen
> adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu

Kimon Paphadjopoulos
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: SSDC2@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Aero vs. Cool blades
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:40:46 GMT

>From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward)
>
> Also what might be a good
>price for these beasts...A local place had Areo's for $295 and the others for
>$275, I only found one mail-order dealer and they were $259 and $249, but
>recently a new local place quoted me $240 even for the Cools...I'm not real

The rink where i skate is having a clearance sale on Aeroblades for $229.
(last years model i believe, no Cool blades arrivals yet).
Their Macroblade "sale" price was $199, and i got mine for $130 from a
sporting good store... just for comparison/reference.

The local skate shop sells the Aeros for $259 and the Cool Blades for $239.
(I've only seen the Cool Blades at this particular shop).

good luck
Janice

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You can't have everything, where would you put it?! - Steven Wright
From: alves@vaxld.ameslab.gov (Luis Alves)
Subject: Re: US source for Rollerblades sought
Keywords: Rollerlade Mail Order
Organization: Ames Laboratory
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.161003.4586@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cowl@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DAve.) writes:

>Greetings!

>I am a New Zealander who wishes to purchase a couple of pairs
>of Rollerblades - probably a pair of Lightenings and a pair
>of TRS blades.

>The prices here are very high - the Aeroblade prices are twice that
>I have seen posted on the board.

>What I seek is a US Mail Order source with good prices which can 
>ship overseas.

>Any ideas or assistance greatly appreciated.

>Adva(Thanks)nce!

>Cheers!
>DAve.

	I would also like to know if there's a mail order where I can get
a rollerblade cheaper. Thanks in advance !


Luis (alves@iastate.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: rebecca@cco.caltech.edu (Mark L. Fussell)
Subject: Re: HELPS ***
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:31:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.053035.27719...> I write:
>     2)  the blade is taller by about an inch (taller: distance from
>         ice to sole of boot),

After looking at my skates again, 2) is not really true since the sole of a  
good quality figure boot is fairly thick, so it is more like a 1/2".  But  
another comment about differences is that the figure boot has a significantly  
higher heel, so for jumping you would land much more flat-footed on a hockey  
skate which is probably not so good for either your control or your foot.

                                      -- Mark

Mark L. Fussell
rebecca@cco.caltech.edu
From: kimon@iat.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Matzger wins Laguna Seca Challenge
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:53:24 GMT
Organization: Information Access Technologies, Inc. of Berkeley, CA

Eddy Matzger's extra large helmet was back in action last Saturday
on an extremely exciting course at the Laguna Seca race track in
Monterey.

If you've never skated at Laguna Seca, you owe it to youself check it out
next year.

The race starts with a slight hill which then descends into
a well banked hairpin turn.

The track continues on a with a slight upgrade until it hits the main hill--
about 320 vertical feet of steep climbing.

When you get to the top, you have about 50 feet before the road disapears in
a descent even steeper than the approach.  If you take the apex of the
first turn, you head almost strait down.  Racers reached speeds of over
45mph on this section.

Next comes a slightly banked left handed turn.  There is a tendency to want
to take the intuitive line on this turn, but you have to be careful because
it is followed soon by another left hand turn.  If you take the first one too
sharply, you can be in a lot of trouble.

Eddy lead the race most of the five laps, breaking way in front of all
other racers before the finish.  Sandy Snakenburg seemed a good bet to
take second, but got a little squirly coming down the hill on the final lap.

I'm not sure of this, but my best guess for the finishing order is:

1. Eddy Matzger
2. ?Anthony Mazzei
3. ?Trent ?
4. Sandy Snakenburg
5. ?
6. ?Mike Riddle

Eddy was using his usual setup: a fresh pair of 77mm Krypto Turbo Core 74A's.

Kimon Papaadjopoulos