HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:53:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Sep23.183110.23225@tamsun.tamu.edu>  (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>>>>
>We are in no way trying to condone CCP's crimes. All we are trying to
That was the point. CCP did all crime, fooled you young people, and
still get the support. Isn't that same as some one killed your relative,
robbed your property and still try to get marry some one in your family?

Stick on the subject. Don't say anything you don't know. Those learnt
from CCP books and propagan just mean BS!

>Why do you think KMT can regain support
>but not CCP. You just don't get it. 

They are not the same animal. One is tiger, the other is cow.
A tiger killed 100 million in the past 40 years. That has no competitor
in the universe.

>Ah Ha, I know, CCP took away
>all your privileges when you fled in 1949 so you just have one
>faith: get revenge. Unfortunately, majority of the Chinese are
>not like you. I really think you need to have your mind balanced.
>
As long as CCP is there, China has no picture. As long as China
is pronounced to be CCP, it means dead forever!
All the world communist countries are dying off, (same as your logic)
why CCP can survive? (because some of you still support CCP)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 04:53:36 GMT

I would like to ask for an apology from Japanese after 20 years.  Now,
the economic relationship is the most important.

J Su


In article <1992Oct1.194731.3236@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> chan@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>So much have been compared between CCP and KMT.  There is one thing 
>in common for both sides.  That is the disgusting and self defeating way 
>they deal with the Japanese.  Both regimes demand no apology from Japan for
>her war crimes.   And now the CCP even let the no apology Japanese monarch
>lay his feet on Chinese soil.  Does any body know WHY the Chinese regimes never
>demand any apology from Japan on the government level?  Does anybody know
>what reasons given by the two Chinese regimes?  Do all the 10
>billion Chinese agree with these two Chinese regimes policy to have a no
>apology Japanese monarch to set his feet on Chinese soil?  Do they all really
>want to kiss his feet?  Well, if they do, those who could not make their way 
>to kiss the dead one, here comes the live one.
>
>To make myself clear, I dont welcome a no apology Japanese monarh to visit  
>China.  I dont think Mr. Akihito would do any good for him or Japan should
>he just make a trip to China as if he were a Japanese Monbusho minister.
>  
>--------------------------------
>I represent myself only.
>Chan@unsw.edu.au


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: a joke
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:04:25 GMT

1.
  Year -2000. "President of Banana Republic of China" Cai signed HER first decree to let her first-lady man
  ZHAO to carry out: Order all chinese to have eye surgery. Second decree to let her second-lady man
  SHEN to carry out: Order all chinese to immerge themselve into bleach for 30 minutes. Third decree to let
  her third-lady man ROSS: he can have Tibet to "returned" to his Birtish fatherland for his superb work
  in "democratizing" China.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:56:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.201936.15899@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>No, I don't care anything about Iraq. I don't like the way Sadam did first.
>You said something about "China" in a different way than a Chinese would do.

The problem is here. You have assumed that every Chinese should say
something he is supposed to say. I guess that is the problem of China.

In order to make things clear, you have to be daring enough to say
something which is not supposedly to be said. In this aspect I am
jealous to American.
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:40:00 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Oct6.230045.1176@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.184002.15132@ms.uky.edu>, gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
>writes:
>(deleted)
>I got very confused here.
>May be it was because I did not go thru culrure revolution like you guys did.
>But how come Yue Fei is a ultra-(right/left)est to you?
>And why he was compared to beggars, prostitutes and  religiously crazy people?
>
>Some one please enlight me? 

Sure, please donate to SOS China Education Fund, though.

Yue Fei is very good, in deed. He can fight and write, both. The problem some
ones regard him as ultra-(right/left)est is because of his poem:

Zhuang Zi Ji Cai Hu Nu Ru,
Xiao Tan Ke Yin Xiong Lu Xue.

Some bodies, after being westernized, think that is wrong to be canibalist,
while others proved that Xiong Lu Xue is red wine and Hu Nu Ru is nothing
more than cheese. Well, you can keep arguing. But please donate no later than
Steve Lin.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: svec6@judy.uh.edu (Huang, Jiaming)
Subject: Re: Teacher, Teaching, A Famous Writer
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:07:00 GMT

In article <92265.110932PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>, <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>I posted a question ``what is the profession of a teacher: teacher or
>teaching?'' days ago. From responses I got, the answer should be ``teaching''
>like what I though.
> 
>The reason I asked was that a famous chinese writer, Bing Xin (Ice Heart)
>wrote on People's Daily few days ago: ``Teacher is the hardest working,
>most enjoyble profession''.  She is so famous that I thought I was wrong or
>I come to the States for too long. Maybe she is too old.
> 
>---Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jchang@cedrick.asc.slb.com (Jeff Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Nie Weiping is visiting Taiwan (Re: ROC vs PRC)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:16:47 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger Austin Systems Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: cedrick.asc.slb.com

In article <6215@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep24.005831.20592@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
|> >
|> >For that matter, I am truly grategul that I was born and raised in Taiwan,
|> >not mainland. Not that I do not care my fellow people lives in china mainland
|> >(and I do not care how bad KMT had brain-washed me :-),
|> >I do know live in taiwan was better, is better and will be better in the 
|> >foreseeable future).
|> 

|> For whatever matter, I am truly grateful that I was born and raised in
|> China.  Not I don't care how you live in taiwan ;)

I hope you're only speaking for yourself but not for the countless 
innocent people fallen victims to the numerous political movements 
occurred since 1949 in mainland.

-jc
From: shen@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: AIRFAIR info.
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:43:36 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Oct. 2, 1992

Hello netters,

How is everyone? 

I am planning to go on an off-campus study program in Hokkaido, Japan in 
from March to mid-August, and go home in Shanghai after the program 
finishes by August 15th and directly return for school in the states by 
Sep. 7.  I know some of you are frequent travellers (therefore 
experienced), so here I am asking if anyone could kindly provide me with 
                      --------------------------------------------------
some AIRFAIRE info. (the most economical offe
Shen, Yong
Shen, Yong
Earlham College
Tel:(317)973-2906
Shen@earlham.bitnet.edu
From: haoc@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: To President Bush.
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:57:53 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <BvEqoI.AxM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
> 
> Dear President Bush:
> 
> Do you know how many eyes are watching you? They are so many
> and they are full of wishes, wishing miracle would happen. Oh,
> you are the messenger of lord; you can send them to heaven; 
> you can send them to hell. All between your "Y" and "N".
> 
> Your mighty God, Amen!
> 
> A Christian.
--

  I say , send all of them to hell. 

--- Hao. 
*******************************************************************************
A flying bullet hit my heart,all of a sudden everything turns dark,oh my god!!!
******************************************************************************** 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: > my prediction about the bill
Reply-To: txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:15:58 GMT



In <9209290036.AA10442@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:

> txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

>Who do you think you are to CCP? 

>        [ Smart question.  I think they may consider me their
>          "zhang3 bei4" if they like :-)]

>Important chip? Give me a break. CCP has too many issues to worry about: F-16 fi
>ghter to Taiwan, Trade talk, GATT,.... You said this bill is more important to C
>CP than all these above?

>        [ Sure, you are given the break.  But I am not CCP, so I don't 
>          pretend I can judge for them what is more important.  I
>          know one fact:  The CCP doesn't like this bill.  I also hope you
>          realize that neither you or me hold a vote in the polibeaurau, so
>          a discussion between you and me about the importance of issues
>          is pretty much senseless. ]

>Yes, to those who want to get their 6.4 green card, this bill is too
>important. But do not think it is something to CCP, too.

>         [ See the above ] 

>They will not care much.  You need to beg to those US politician. Show them 
>that you hate CCP and you are loyal to the US.  Show them that you can 
>make some noise to help US in the Sino-US relationship. If you can convince 
>them and they are in good mood, they may issue those cards to you, just like 
>giving quarters to the beggars. Do not be naive enough to think you can fool 
>around and get it for free.

>         [ Well, you probably need to go to Mr. Zhao Haiqing's office
>           and tell him this.  You might suddenly find you are not as
>           silly as you thought you were before :-).
>           But I doubt you can offer any idea better than what he has 
>           already known.  Partly because your attitude, partly
>           becasue the intelligence displayed in your message.  So be
>           prepared to receive a bai2 yan3 and -- be ready to get
>           verbally abused, i.e. getting a guo2 ma4 or something like
>           that :-)]

I really do not think the above argument desersves my response, but as another
netter is kind and patient enough to, at least, say something to you, I just
copy his words.

In <1992Sep29.041050.12248@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:

>In article <9209290048.AA11745@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>>          ( PSU mail deleted )
>>
>>          ...  I frankly thought you and 9201
>>          folks had decided to stop activities and concentrate
>>          on growing up instead.
>>

>I think the above must be written by a GROWING baby or an idiot.

>TAKE an option that I pleasantly provide here, Tuya.
From: jfl@omaha.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:05:38 GMT
Reply-To: edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)

In article <lc7a6aINN110@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep25.212552.5149@news.acns.nwu.edu>  (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
|> >In article <92Sep25.144818edt.128@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>  (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
|> Well, that is the government they can find their way to live with. People
|> seem not to like change to get more freedom, democracy, or better living! :-)

Can you tell me what is freedom, democracy and better living?
It is too board. 
Madonna truly believes that she can do anything including sex in a public 
performance. She also said that she has the freedom to do so?
Some Americans believe that salavy is ok as soon as the majority vote
to say yes. 
Some christian and some buddist believe that the way we live is like 
hell while a lot of us laught at them.
Those relious people think material world is a living hell but
some of us think it is the greatest type of civilization ever produced
by us in human history. 
Can you tell me that what is YOU WAY OF FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY AND (BETTER
OR WORSE, WHATEVER THE HELL IS IT) LIVING?
May be I would your ideas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xcchen@iastate.edu (Xiaoshan Chen)
Subject: CPL-11 has a bug!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:06:57 GMT

Hi, 

This is to report a bug in CPL.EXE.

I used CPL.EXE several times and never had any problem. But this time I
found a bug. When I printed a recent HXWZ (cm9208z.gb), page 18 had a
strange part that showed some chinese mixed with other characters, this
situation continued till almost to the end of page 19. BTW, this wrong
page is about a professor Liu Wendian. I then checked the article with
NJStar, the whole think read O.K., therefore it must be the bug in CPL.

Can you print the cm9208z.gb and tell me if this is true? I used HP Laser
Jet III.
 
Thanks.

-- 
********************************************************************
xcchen@iastate.edu; 294-3887 (O); 296-7917 (H)
A volleyball lover
********************************************************************
From: ctchou@Kodak.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: To Mr. Li Xiao-Lin
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:13:50 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: ctchou@Kodak.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi, Mr. Li:

A while ago, you posted an article saying that mainlanders didn't
like KMT. Hence, KMT should not pretend to have the right to rule
mainland. Immediately after that, there were at least two articles
saying that Taiwanese did not likke CCP either. Hence CCP should
not pretend to have the right to rule Taiwan.

For some reasn, you missed the chance to reply to either of those
two articles. But don't worry. Here comes another
once-in-a-life-time chance for you to show all the netters how
non-narrow-minded and non-double-standard you are. So why don't you
grab this chance and open your big mouth as usual to comment on
CCP's right to rule Taiwan?

Looking forward to hearing your non-double-standard,
non-narrow-minded, non-CCP-propaganda, non-this-and-that
and non-you-name-it opinion.
Thank you.

Chou
ctchou@kodak.com
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How many people spend more time on writing than thinking?
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Organization: TECHNION - Israel Institute of Technology.
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 20:43:27 IST
From: qinghong zhu <AERHUNG@TECHNION.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Dr. Shi Jun(Imperior College,UK)Email?

Anybody know Dr. Shi Jun who is pos-doc at Imperior College, London E-mail
address, please send to me.


qinghong zhu
haifa, israel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.china
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Subject: Re: FWD:Senate sustains Bush veto on China MFN
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:18:36 GMT

xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) said:
>*         WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The Senate sustained Thursday President Bush's
>*         Senate Democratic leader George Mitchell, as always, lashed out at
>* Bush for vetoeing the bill.
>               ^
>Is this article written by Quayl ?  Where should I register a complaint
>from the inconvenience the extra `e' caused ?
>-- 

I've no idea if Mr.Quayl should be responsible for this typo, but this post
is certainly much better than yours in scc.  :-)

Check out clari.news.gov.international, The post is out of their hands. 


joe
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 4 Oct 1992 00:36:59 CDT
From: <U52727@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
 <BvI3G9.As0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <BvJxwJ.J5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>

In article <BvJxwJ.J5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
says:
>
>In article <BvI3G9.As0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>(xiao-lin li) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu
>(Chenwei Yan) writes:
>>
>>>Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
>>>stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for   d
>goo
>>>expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
>>>in the world and crush all the opponents!
>>>
>>>21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
>>>
>>>Let's all work for that goal!
>>>
>>
>>I am not meant to discourage you. People in the world don't believe so.
> >has abandoned communism except China. China is too stuburn to become
>>world leader. Besides, looking at how arrogant you guys are, no body
>>in the world will like to see China strong. If you are against the world,
>
> You don't, but I do! Please don't say "nobody" something so easily.
  ME TOO! DON'T SAY "NOBODY"!
>
>>you are in trouble, not even to mention development.
>>
>>
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Where is HXWZ #79?
Summary: Where is HXWZ #79?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:37:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Oct2.163742.15939
Organization: The Ohio State University

Has anyone received HXWZ #79 (cm9210a)?

Z. Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <BvJ2tB.Mw6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct3.131139.11561@ms.uky.edu> 
    <BvLs1p.JCM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:19:35 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>In article <1992Oct3.131139.11561@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>>
>>REALLY AMERICANIZED.
>>YOU WILL CERTAINLY PASS THE TEST TO BE A US CITIZEN.
>>PEOPLE WILL FORGIVE WHAT YOU DID HERE FOR A CHINESE, 
>>ACTUALLY ANOTHER US CITIZEN TO BE. MAY ALL YOUR RELATIVES 
>>AND FRIENDS BE US CITIZENS.
>>AMEN.

>Really, I thought it was very difficult to pass exam to become
>a US citizen. I thought it would be as hard as to join PLA when
>I was 18. I almost gave up. Thank you for your encouragement :-).

>You assumption is that all Chinese should be on the Iraqi side.
...
No, I don't care anything about Iraq. I don't like the way Sadam did first.
You said something about "China" in a different way than a Chinese would do.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26959 soc.culture.taiwan:14130
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:59:58 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <lcehk8INNk1p@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>All the world communist countries are dying off, (same as your logic)

CCP has a chance at surviving because it's about the only "communist"
state that is no longer economically communist.  

>why CCP can survive? (because some of you still support CCP)

I don't support CCP, but I'm not too enthusiatic about overthrowing
it.  The reason is that I've looked at 20th century Chinese history.
When people overthrew the Qing, they got the KMT.  When people
overthrew the KMT, they got the CCP.  Based on this, I strongly
suspect that if one just overthrows the CCP, one will plunge China
into chaos, and after about 20 years, one will end up with yet another
party which people want to overthrow.

Because of this, I am not enthusiatic about just overthrowing the CCP
through traditional means.  We need to find other ways so that we can
break this cycle of modern Chinese history.

I think the best way of breaking this cycle is by developing the
Chinese economy.  A developed economy puts a lot of pressure on the
government to act in a certain way.  Power in such an economy flows
out of the hands of centralized bureaucrats and into the hands of
workers and businessmen.  Gradually, the rulers realize that they
simply cannot rule in the old way and start to listen.  

As long as the CCP keeps on its policy of economic reform (and by now
so much power has flowed to the provinces that its impossible for it
not to) and as long as there seem to be some people in the CCP who
understand the situation, I would say that our efforts are better
spent transforming the CCP rather than overthrowing it.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Vote for our future
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.040453.3039@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)  
writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Sep29.215122.5993@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze  
Yang)  
> >writes:
> >> Mr. Carl hasn't apeared on the net for a long time. Is he
> >> trying to organize a voting procedure for the bill s1216? 
> >> 
> >> By his logic, people can always "vote for their future".
> >> 
> >> We miss you, Mr. Carl!
> >> 
> >> Ze Yang
> 
> >I took several days off to have a good vacation in Yellowstone with my wife.  
In  
> >fact, I did not even notice the heated debate about s1216 until I am back.
> 
> Probably your wife has the Green Card? Maybe I should also practice "cu3
> xian4 jiu4 guo2", how do you think of this, Mr. Carl?
> 
> Even if your wife has the card, and you can get one through that way,
> you shouldn't forget your fellow countrymen. You should still manage
> a voting procedure, don't you think so? Mr. Carl?
> 
> Vote for our future, right?
> 
> >Good luck!
> 
> >Carl
> 
> Ze Yang

Is Green Card your only purpose to come to the U.S.? Don't make people laugh at  
you, Yang Ze. You have already shown enough personality in this very net. If  
you are not satisfied, please keep going.

As for Green Cards, I guess you over-worried me and my wife and you have too  
wild imagination. If you are so desperate for the card as to sacrifice your  
love to marry a woman with Green Card, please go for it, it is none of my  
business. It is not my policy to make such a sacrifice. In fact, not everyone  
has the same family background and merit. Give you an advise, don't degrade  
yourself too much. Everything has a limit.

I support the bill although it seems none of my business. I dislike Shannon Yeh  
and his gang. They make me sick. I believe it is good to let as many people as  
possible to have good lives they want. I also think the bill will benefit both  
the US and China in a long run (with respect to democracy, and economic and  
techical exanges). Why trying so hard to prevent people from pursuing good  
lives. Of course, I don't like some of the D-fighters because they acted too  
selfishly.

Shannon Yeh is crazy and let's forget this mad Maoist. However, I personally  
think, many other CSS objected the bill because they are jealous, although they  
later might also benefit from it. It's also one part of the ugliness of Chinese  
culture.

As for you Yang Ze, please try to be a decent man.

Carl