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From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Japan to China - Traveller cheque problem
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:57:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <GREVE.92Nov6114619@kddss2.csg.kddlabs.CO.JP> greve@kddss2.csg.kddlabs.CO.JP (Ron Greve) writes:
>								04-11-06
>
>Hello out there,
>
>I have a bank account in Holland, at the moment I am in Japan, and very soon
>I will go to Korea and China. My problem is now where should I buy my traveller 
>cheques and in which currency? There are a few options:
>
>- Can I use traveller cheques of Japanese currency (Yen) in Korea and China. Are
>  the equally accepted as US$ traveller cheques?

You can use either yen or US$ traveller cheques in China (or Dutch
guilders, for that matter.  Most money exchange is done in the hotels;
there are Bureaus de Change on the street.

>Another problem is that China has two currencies. When I cash money in China, 
>what is the best ammount, in percentage, for each currency? In case of traveller
>cheques, what is the best place to change them.
>
You will not be given a choice.  Foreigners are only given FEC in exchange
for Western currencies, and only FEC can be changed back when you leave
China.  Do change it all back (except for you airport exit tax and enough
to buy a snack at the airport, as you can't change it outside of China and
it's illegal to take it out of the country.

When you buy something on the street or in shops, you will almost always
be given ren min bi (the local currency) as change.  Try not to accumulate
too much of it, as you can't spend it in Western hotels or restaurants or
Friendships shops, can't purchase tickets for train or airplane or use it
for cab fare; invariably anything available to foreigners must be paid for
in FEC.  FEC are in high demand among Chinese people, and people will
offer to change it into ren min bi at attractive rates; you should refuse. 
Always carry small bills so you don't have to break a 100 yuan FEC note to
buy a 10 yuan item.  I once created enormous joy in a Chinese shop when I
almost did this; they called their relatives in from the next room and
were getting ready to throw a party, when my companion offered to lend me
10 yuan to make the purchase and suddenly everone's face fell. 

Barbara Vaughan
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: meniconi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (carlo nicola meniconi)
Subject: INFO about Innsbruck
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:34:58 GMT

Hi there!!! I will probably go during New Year's holidays to Innsbruck and I
would like to have some informations about the city , the places that I must
absolutely see, the party or other during New Year celebrities , the near ski   area and so on. Thanks to everyone who tell me something.

							    NICK
                                                meniconi@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 14:36:34 CET
From: Gerald Aigner <K3011E8@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: HAWAII INTERISLAND FLIGHTS

My parents and I are staying in Oahu in February. Because we want to visit
the other islands Kaui, Maui and Hawaii we are interested in interisland
flights.
So my question : How expensive are the ?
                 Can you get a discount or are there special rates for tourists
                   who want to visit these islands ?
                 Where can you book these flights in Honolulu ?
                 Is it possible to take a flight early in the morning from
                 Honolulu and returning to Honolulu in the evening ?
                 In many travel guides I read that prices are between
                 30-80$. Why do they vary so much ?

   Thanks for your help.

         Gerald Aigner
From: salmon@cco.caltech.edu (Lynn Garry Salmon)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Japan to China - Traveller cheque problem
Date: 8 Nov 1992 01:57:45 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: net
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In article <1992Nov6.200417.13872@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:

>I also saw another
>poster say that some small shops won't accept FEC.  I have been to China
>four times, in big places and small, and have never had this happen. 
>Must be some extraordinarily law-abiding person this poster ran into, the
>equivalent of the American who's afraid to rip the tag from the mattress.
>

I spent three months in China last year and found people who were
unfamiliar with FEC's on a few occasions.  One place was the post
office in Yungang Village.  They had never seen an FEC before and
refused to take them.  Another was a street vendor in the town of
Lanchou who didn't recognize FEC as real money.

On at least one occasion I had to pay for a hotel room with Rmb
because they didn't have change for FEC's.  This type of confusion
exists on the part of some locals who believe they can only accept FEC
if they give change in FEC.  Mostly one receives change in Rmb outside
of major tourist areas.  I also experienced one instance where a cab
driver would not accept Rmb and wanted FEC only.

Depending on the length of stay in the country it is probably
advisable to keep a small amount of Rmb, especially if you stray very
far off the main tourist path.  Rmb (in general) can not be
re-converted to hard currencies so should be spent before ending one's
trip.



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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: SLIB000@UCSVAX (Digital Softare Lib)
Subject: LA - Las Vegas - Needles request for tour info
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:48:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


I will soon be taking a drive from Las Vegas to Palm Springs, CA on
I-15, with plenty of time to do it.

Could anybody recommend any special sights, places to see,
resturants along the way.  Maybe even some kind of
nature area with a trail walk?

Thank you in advance..
Joe
University of Massachusetts
Newsgroups: sco.com,rec.travel
From: davidd@sco.COM (Dave Drysdale)
Subject: Two Tickets To Palm Springs
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:06:56 GMT




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          Here's the details:
                        
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                      ARRIVE: LAX (1:28pm)
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                      ARRIVE: Palm Springs (4:25pm)


                        
              DEPARTURE DATE: Nov. 29th, 1992 - Sun.
                         AIR: American Airlines (DIRECT FLIGHT)
                      DEPART: Palm Springs (4:20pm)
                      ARRIVE: San Jose (6:00pm)

          These two tickets are going for the LOW price of only $275.00
          each. Just think, you and a friend in PALM SPRINGS over the
          Thanksgiving Holiday. Now that's treating yourself right.

          If your interested please contact either Dave or Anthony at
          (408)335-9490 or email me (Dave) at davidd@sco.COM
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: World Travel
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:16:35 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <BxGIuJ.84I@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> marks@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mark Stadel) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.200454.2169@knight.vf.ge.com> connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com writes:
>
>[lots of good stuff deleted]
>
>>P.S.  BTW, has anyone ever suggested starting a travellers group?  

>>Just a stray thought, but I would appreciate feedback.
>>Hope I don't start a "not another group!" thread with this one, but I at least
>>think it is a good idea.

Well it looks like there haven't been any 'not another group' postings.
  
>This is a great idea! I too am tired of "I'm going to [insert your famous
>touristy resort]. What can I do.." stuff. I think a new newsgroup would be 
>perfect. Call it rec.travel.adventure or something like that; it would cover
>travel (preferably low budget) for people who read LP and not Fodors...

I think it's a good idea too.  How many people would subscribe though? 
I think there are a lot of lurkers in rec.travel and people who only 
subscribe when they are about to go somewhere.

To start a new group we need >100 people interested.
Did you get any feedback by e-mail? 

We also need a catchy name.

I suggest
rec.travel.travellers

or even better

rec.travel.lers

Seeing as most of the people who read the Lonely Planet guides consider
themselves travellers rather than tourists.


-- 
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: tpeasant@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Tony Peasant)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: what doing on captiva island
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:39:29 GMT
Reply-To: tpeasant@cipc1.UUCP (Tony Peasant)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH


My wife and I are considering a vacation to Captiva Island in florida.
I would like to get some feed back on the place, food,people general
atmosphere. thanks for you help
-- 
Tony Peasant
Tony.Peasant@cipc1.Dayton.NCR.COM
...!uunet!ncrcom!cipc1!tpeasant
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: French train fares soar
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:40:15 GMT
	<endecotp.721484892@cs.man.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <endecotp.721484892@cs.man.ac.uk> endecotp@cs.man.ac.uk (PB Endecott (PhD SFurber)) writes:

   Yes!  It is true, France is pulling out of InterRail, as are (I think)
   Italy and Spain.  Most of the other countries remain for the time being,
   but with only the British Isles, Germany, Benelux, Scandinavia, and Eastern
   Europe, and none of the atractive "sunny" contries, there is a good chance
   that the whole scheme will colapse.

The UK has never been in Interrail as far as I know.  (Don't know about Ireland.)
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:44:58 GMT

john@aquarius.unm.edu (John Prentice) wrote: 
->I am arranging a trip to Argentina.  One way of getting to where I am
->going is to fly to Santiago, Chile.  I change planes there and go on
->to Argentina.  I would not have to leave the airport to make my plane
->change.  Anyone know if I have to clear customs in Chile, or do I just
->go on to Argentina and clear customs there?  I appreciate any thoughts.

this depends on the airlines, the flight, the configuration of the
airport, and the policy of the country you are transiting.  you should
ask the airline you are flying  whether or not you'll need to clear
customs in santiago.

--
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From: Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Travel in Russia and the republics
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:46:33 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

I can't answer about visas, but about avoiding Intourist -- I recently
read an article in Conde Nast Traveller (it's a good magazine,
really...!) that advised contacting the Linguistics Department
at Moscow State University and having a grad student be your guide
on your travels.  You pay the student's expenses but since you
pay in rubles it is apparently incredibly cheap, the author
wrote that he spent $200 for a student guide for two weeks, and
that covered accomodations, meals, transportation, AND the fee
for the service.  You benefit by having someone help you get around,
and they benefit by being able to work on their English (I suspect
their English is a whole lot better than our Russian ;-) and having
a chance to travel.

Sounds like a good deal to me.  I don't have the reference handy
but I'll forward it along in a day or two.


        ---  __o          Liza Weissler
     ----  _`\<,_         The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
      --- (*)/ (*)        liza@rand.org
From: woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:34:07 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon) writes:



>In article <sjones.721229094@cunews> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:

> However, in Spain, one goes through immigration in the port of entry and
>through customs in the final destination.  Even with change of plane.  
>This means that you don't see your checked-in bags until the end of your
>last leg.

>  I don't know to how many countries this may apply, however.

>Juan


How does this work ?   How can you possibly put international passengers on a
domestic flight before they clear customs ?  Unless it is not truly a domestic
flight; ie it doesn't carry domestic passengers, only shuttles international
pax to another destination in Spain - but then the flight is still classed as
international, right ?

Mixing international and domestic pax on the same flight before clering customs
negates the whole customs check - you just give all your contraband stuff and
over-the-limit tax free to a domestic passenger to carry off for you !


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From: serich00@nx34.mik.uky.edu (stephen e richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:18:22 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <w0+qft-@lynx.unm.edu> john@aquarius.unm.edu (John Prentice)  
writes:
> I am arranging a trip to Argentina.  One way of getting to where I am
> going is to fly to Santiago, Chile.  I change planes there and go on
> to Argentina.  I would not have to leave the airport to make my plane
> change.  Anyone know if I have to clear customs in Chile, or do I just
> go on to Argentina and clear customs there?  I appreciate any thoughts.


You most likely won't have to do anything for customs.  Most airports I've  
been thru outside the US are setup so anyone could make connecting flights  
in a special "international" terminal .. and you would only go thru  
customs if leaving the airport.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jhs@praxis.co.uk (John Strain)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: World Expeditions - Nepal
Summary: World Expeditions, ABTA, Nepal
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:26:12 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Bath, U.K.


Hi,

   I'll be travelling to Nepal next March but only have just over 2
weeks there. In order to get the most out of the limited time I've
decided to book in advance a short trek followed by white water
rafting and a visit to the Chitwan National Park. We'll also have a
bit of time to explore the Khathmandu valley on our own.

Having scoured through many different brochures I final settled on a
trip run by a company called World Expeditions. The UK office is based
in Maidenhead - however I think it is an Australian company based in
Sydney. They also have offices in Ontario, Canada. Upon trying to book
I found that they are:
    - not ABTA bonded (nor ATOL);
    - don't accept credit cards.

Having expressed concern about handing over a large sum of money with
no guarantee of it being safe (either via an ABTA bond or credit card
company) they have said that they are bonded in Australia (AFTA bond I
think). They are trying to get a letter of guarantee under the
Australian bond for any money I hand over.

Now,
  - has anybody had any experiance with this company ?
  - is a letter of guarantee from Australia going to protect me if the
    UK company goes under? (I think not.)

Thanks in advance,

John.

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Xref: sparky rec.travel:15293 rec.backcountry:8760
From: druth@erg.sri.com (Doug Ruth)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.backcountry
Subject: Death Valley Weather around Thanksgiving?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:08:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA


    1) Temperature extremes (daytime, nighttime).

    2) Precipitation.

Also what is the campground situation like there?  Are they open at
that time of year?  Are reservations recommended?

Thanks in advance.

-- Doug Ruth         | druth@erg.sri.com  | SRI International
-- '91 BMW R100GS/PD | Work:(415)859-3860 | 333 Ravenswood Ave.
-- AMA #: 197665     | Home:(415)962-9808 | Menlo Park, CA 94025
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-- 
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Organization: Doctoral student, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:35:45 -0500 
From: "Raghu R. Bhat" <rb4z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Need ride NYC area from Pittsburgh on 11/13

Is anyone going that way? I will share expenses etc. Thanks.
						
						Raghu R Bhat
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: peter@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Puschner)
Subject: Train Connection: Phoenix -- Austin: THANKS
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:48:40 GMT

I got several replies to my request. Thank you all for your valuable
information about train and flight connections between the mentioned
cities. Some people recommended to take the plane, which is both
faster and cheaper. Their arguments convinced me. I will fly.

Thanks again,
Peter

=========================================================================
Peter Puschner          peter@vmars.tuwien.ac.at
Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Real-time Systems, Vienna, Austria

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Best Paris Restaurant?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:53:58 GMT


>>My ultimate suggestion:  try Masa's in San Francisco<<

I had one of the best meals of my life there before Masa died, but the
meal I had there a few months ago was disappointing--some of the food
was great, particularly the fois gras, but other dishes didn't work so
well, particularly a lobster in an overpowering mustard sauce.  You could
eat 2-3 meals at La Folie for the price of one at Masa's, and Roland
Passot's a better cook.
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.canada
From: barbara@forit.forut.no (Barbara Wasson)
Subject: Re: Toronto-area trip
Keywords: Toronto
Organization: Norwegian Telecom/FORUT, Norway
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:37:25 GMT

In article <Bx7vBv.Mu2@Novell.COM>, dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:
    
    A colleague and I will be attending a conference held at the University of  
    Waterloo Nov 18-21 and will be staying in nearby Kitchener.




Barbara Wasson               barbara@tf.tele.no   """""""""""
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Xref: sparky rec.travel:15248 rec.travel.air:5522
From: prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: LA - NZ - Calcutta journey - need help.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 08:08:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

	We are planning on visiting relatives in Christchurch, NZ on
our way back to Calcutta, India in mid January, 1993.
	The problem is that the travel agents
I have talked to have quoted outrageous prices for this journey.  Most
of the travel agents who specialize in AUS/NZ seem to have no idea about
flights to India and the travel agents who specialize on flights to
Inida don't want to deal with anything off their beaten track.  I know
there has to be some way of doing this - would anybody have advice to
offer?  I am planning on calling some of the round-the-world specialists
who advertize in the LA Times travel section.  Are there any
consolidators/ bucket shops in the LA/SF area who might be able to
help?  Quick responses will be greatly appreciated.  Many thanks in
advance,

Prabhu
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From: ms17@prism.gatech.edu (Martha Ann Stegar)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheap Place to stay in NYC
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:21:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <KANAZAWA.92Nov9085923@miller.cs.ubc.ca>, kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca
(Keiji Kanazawa) wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anybody know a nice place to stay for 2-3 weeks for cheap in New
> York City or vicinity?  By cheap, I mean less than $50 a night.
> 
I've often stayed at the West Side YMCA, off Central Park West, just 2
blocks from Lincoln Center.  A private room with bath is $44 a night (and
NO taxes tacked on).  It's cheaper with shared bath.

Martha Ann Stegar
Georgia Tech Research Institute
ms17@prism.gatech.edu