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From: whitesto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Byte magazine, con man?
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:00:46 GMT
Reply-To: whitesto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jr., Robert Whitestone)
Organization: Annapolis Facility, Carderock Division, NSWC

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware, cs161fho@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (cs161fho) writes:
]Recently discussion about Net vs. magazines remind me of my
]unpleasant experience with Byte magazine.  I subscribed to it two
]years ago, but only received one issue.  After I found out the check
]was cashed, I wrote them twice- never receive a reply.  I think Byte
]was taking chance that small subscriber like me will never take
]legal action against them for the little subscription fee(to them at
]least).  They were right; as a result, I have never purchased a
]single issue of Byte again.


    Twice in the past I have started subscriptions with Byte,
    and both times I was shortchanged three issues the first
    year.

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From: small.caltech.edu!egrayver (Eugene Grayver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: RT hard disks in a PC
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:40:47 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: small.caltech.edu
Originator: egrayver@small

My company used to have a few RTs but we no longer use them.  I have a lot  
of hard disks left over from them.  I have r44, r70, e70 and all the  
controllers for them.  PLEASE tell me if and how I can use these disks in  
a IBM PC 386.  I think all the controllers are AT-bus type but I have no  
idea what to do with all the jumpers.  If you had any experience with  
this, plese reply by e-mail.
egrayver@punisher.cco.caltech.edu
Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: surge suppresors - what does all this jargon mean?
Organization: CIRES, University of Colorado
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:32:04


I'm in the market for a surge suppresor/power supply type thing, and
the jargon is a little confusing. Since I live in Boulder Colorado
(LOTS of lightning in the spring), and I'll have a good amount of $$$
worth of computers plugged in, this is important. On the other hand, I
don't want to waste a lot of money.

Some of these babies in computer shopper say they provide EMI/RFI
protection, some come right out and say surge protection. Can I assume
that those that don't mention surges don't protect against them? I
assume that the EMI/RFI stuff just protects against minor EM and RF
interference, but not against something light lightning. Is that true?

I want to also protect my phone line. Does anyone know where I can get
a good protector for that as a stand-alone thing? Any reason not to
install it right where the phone lines come into my house? (Why not
protect my expensive cordless phone too, right?)

I have an ad here for a surge protector for $70 which is one of those
things you put under your monitor and has switches for all your
devices and plugs on the back. It includes a phone jack surge
protector, and also a volt-meter built in that shows the line voltage
all the time. I like this feature. Is this a good price? Anyone else
ever hear onf one of these things with a voltmeter? Anywhere else I
can get one?

My boss bought a surge suppresor for work that says it protects aginst
spikes of up to 6000 volts. Is that standard? Too little? Too much?

Also it says it filters EMI/RFI on all three lines (hot, neutral, and
ground). Is that typical? Should I look for this feature in whatever I
buy?

One final question. Would I be better off buying two cheap ones and
hook them up in series with my computer? It seems to me this would
give the maximum protection. Am I wrong?


Please email your replies and I'll post a summary. Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jre@zeos.com (Jim Erickson)
Subject: email support
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,biz.zeos.general
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:44:55 GMT

   We just discovered that the alias file for support@zeos.com has become
corrupted. If anyone sent email to support over the last few days, please
resend it. We has remade the file and tried to reply to the messages we found
which did not seem to have been answered. However, it is possible that we
missed a couple so please resend the messages. Sorry for the inconvenience and
thank you for your cooperation.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rbsmith@sandia.gov (Randall B Smith)
Subject: Gateway 4DX2-66V & -66E Queries
Organization: Sandia National Laboratories
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 15:56:36 GMT

Hello:

I posted the following on 1/17/93. However, my mailbox was
down through 1/18/93. Any mailed responses are lost. Please
resend.

Thanks!
-----------------------------------------------------------

It sounds like there is a lot of Gateway 486/66 experience
out there. I have a few questions regarding both the
4DX2-66V AND 4DX2-66E models:

Is the serial-i/o implemented with a 16550 style UART (one
that contains 16-word fifos)?

Can one disable the serial-i/o and parallel-i/o to support
the use of the address space + irq for an i/o adpater card?

How many pins are in the CPU expansion socket (169, 238 or xxx)?
I am curious about support for the Pentium Overdrive chip.

Has anyone had experience with the local bus SCSI option for
the 66V? Please provide details (controller manufacturer, 500MB
SCSI upgrade cost, Data Transfer Rate, Cache size provided on 
the controller, performance relative to motherboard IDE).

How does a 66V with SCSI compare to the 66E?

In general, how does the 66E perform relative to the 66V?

Specific to 66E:

  Is the SCSI interface on a local bus?
  Can it support an ATI Ultra Pro LB card in addition to the
  SCSI?

  What is the Ultra Pro LB upgrade cost?

I thought I understood Gateway's telephone "on-hold ad" to state 
9.4 MB/m on the $195 Colorado Jumbo 250 tape upgrade. Does this 
upgrade include an accelerated controller? If not, is the 
accelerated controller available as an option?

Do both machines have a total of 4 simm sockets?

What is the cost of a single 16MB simm upgrade?

What is the ramdac & 2MB upgrade cost for the ATI Ultra Pro?

Thank you, I will summarize responses.

Randall Smith - rbsmith@sandia.gov

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rmoskal@panix.com (Robert Moskal)
Subject: SCSI drives with SCSI-2 Controllers
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:18:16 GMT

I'm just checking to make sure that SCSI-2 controllers will work with an
older SCSI drive (not so old, a Maxtor 340 MB).  I'm interested in
upgrading to a local bus SCSI-2 controller and am loathe to part with my
drive.

Thanx in advance,
Robert

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: lauusitalo@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: NEC XL 19" gone dim. What to do?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:18:54 GMT

        
        I have an old 19" NEC XL monitor and now it has gone dim.
        I have to have contrast and lightness turned full to see
        something. And that results the picture being not sharp.
        Is there anything I can do for this monitor? Revitalize?
        Or is it just 70 lb junk?

        Thanks,
        Lauri

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jsmcgi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Help wanted from omniscient net users!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:07:27 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Howdy everyone
I am just getting ready to buy a brand-spanking new IBM clone and have narrowed
the field down to 4 choices.  First, I have a few questions that I would like
the knowledgeable people to answer a few questions.
1.)  Is a VESA LB worth it??  I know that it dramatically speeds up graphix and
hard drive transfers, but not much else about it.
2.)  Are there any incompatabilities with VL-Bus??  Are there any programs that
don't work with VL-Bus, etc.
3.)  Does anyone know about the ET-4000 or Genoa VL-Bus cards, and which would
be the best for BOTH DOS and Windows performance?  I know that the Genoa gets
about 29 WinMarks but have no idea what the ET-4000 gets.  Help here would be
appreciated (a $95 difference for the Genoa).
4.)  Any information on the reliability/reputation of the below companies would
also be appreciated.  :-)

		Comtrade	Santron		Zenon		Maximus
HD sz, Cch, Tr	170, 64, 2MB/s	170,64,??	170,64,10MB/s	170,64,2.2MB/s
HD Brand	Conner		Conner		WD		Conner
GFX chip, WinM	Viper, 32	Genoa, 29	Cirrus, 28	Genoa, 29
Mon:DP,V,E2E	all have .28DP, NI, Vesa standard, edge to edge monitors
Mon. Brand	CTX		Hitachis	CTX		CTX
Ram/Max		all come with 4 and have 32 MEGS max on motherboard
Cache/Max	64/256		256/256		64/256		64/256
FD, brand	all come with 2 drives, TEAC brand
Upgrade?	all can be upgraded to DX2, none to P5, P24T
Mouse, Res.	Z-nix, 400	Santron, 400	A4Tech, 1450	Z-nix, 400
Case, LED	Mini, Yes	Full, Yes	Mid, Yes	Mini, No
Slots/unused	8/5		8/6		8/4		8/5
Bays/unused	5/2		6/3		7/4		5/2
Keyboard	Mitsumi		Focus, 129key	Lite-on		Mitsumi
# fans		1		1		1		1
Software	all come with DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1
Tech, time	Yes, 7-7	Yes, 8-5:30	Yes, 7-7	Yes, 8-6
#days/week	6		6		6		6
24-hr BBS	Yes		Yes		No (in 2 mos.)	Yes
On-site serv.	Yes, 1yr	Yes, 1yr	Yes, 1yr	Yes, 1 yr
Company		All companies' on-site service is from Nationwide
Warranty	P:2yr, L:life	P:1yr, L:3yr	P:2yr, L:2yr	P:2yr, L:life
		P=parts warranty, L=labor warranty
Money-back	All come with 30 day money-back gaurantee and no restocking fee
Arch.		All are VESA local bus systems
Motherboard	All come with UMC chipset and AMI BIOS
Price:		1795		1695		1745		1655
		+50, 32-IDE	+50 170Meg HD	+75 32-IDE	+55 32-IDE
				+75 32-IDE			+79 Genoa Card
Shipping:	70		70		65		76
Total:		$1915		$1890		$1885		$1865

I am leaning toward the Maximus system right now, but would prefer an LED
readout on the case (just for the look  ;-).
All prices are based on the February 1993 issue of Computer Shopper
Anyone who has any of these systems, please tell me how well you like it, how
much support you get, how often it catches on fire, etc.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: IDE vs. SCSI
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:33:36 GMT

In article <CARL.93Jan11182231@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:

>I absolutely agree.  The one caveat is that, should you plan to add a
>second disk to your system it is advisable to buy from the same
>manufacturer.  You will almost definitely have less problems this way.

I've heard the same is true for many SCSI devices - people
often have trouble when mixing and matching. It shouldn't 
happen but it does, supposedly. No direct experience how-
ever. 



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From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Diff between 486DX2-50 and 486DX-50
Date: 28 Jan 1993 08:40:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I just ran some tests on my 486DX2-50 this last weekend that may
be interesting to some people!
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X-TAL UPGRADES & SPECS - TURBO MODE TESTS - WITH FAN & HEATSINK KIT - ISA BUS

X-TAL MHZ                    CPU MHZ   CPU SPEED MHZ    FPO MHZ   VIDEO CHR/MS

40.00 -386AND /3=13.33MHZ     40.544     62.37            ---       6510.00
40.00 -386AMD /4=10.00MHZ     40.544     62.37            ---       6467.00 *

50.000-486DX2-50 /2=12.5MHZ   50.041     167.22          441.53     6105.00 *
56.644-486DX2-50 /3=9.37MHZ   56.220     189.46          500.25     4593.00
66.666-486DX2-50 /3=11.1MHZ   66.759     222.99          588.81     5401.00

WITH ALL TESTS THE 486DX2-50 RAN ICE COLD! NOT EVEN UP TO ROOM TEMP DID IT GO!
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50.000-486DX50   /?           49.998     167.12          408.89     2463.00
??.???-486DX2-66 /?           84.234     224.00          372.00    10570.00
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CPU/ISA BUS        X-TAL MHZ      BUS SPEED/MHZ       SPEEDSTAR 24X VIDEO CARD

AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /2 = 20.00 MHZ      INOPERATIVE
AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /3 = 13.33 MHZ      6510.00 CHR/MS
AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /4 = 10.00 MHZ      6467.00 CHR/MS
AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /5 =  8.00 MHZ      4020.00 CHR/MS
AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /6 =  6.66 MHZ      NOT TESTED
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486DX2-50          50.000         /2 = 12.51 MHZ      6105.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          50.000         /3 =  8.34 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          50.000         /4 =  6.25 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          50.000         /5 =  5.00 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          50.000         /6 =  4.16 MHZ      NOT TESTED
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
486DX2-50          56.64          /2 = 14.16 MHZ      6826.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          56.64          /3 =  9.44 MHZ      4593.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          56.64          /4 =  7.08 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          56.64          /5 =  5.66 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          56.64          /6 =  4.72 MHZ      NOT TESTED
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
486DX2-50          66.66          /2 = 16.67 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          66.66          /3 = 11.11 MHZ      5401.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          66.66          /4 =  8.33 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          66.66          /5 =  6.67 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          66.66          /6 =  5.56 MHZ      NOT TESTED
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ATI VESA driver supporting 24 BIT COLOR?
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:04:24 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <C0ur67.F7x@rahul.net> bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes:

>WE obviously come from different backgrounds.  Need I say more?  I
>sincerely hope ATI does come through with a DOS driver, but I am not
>holding my breath on this one.  Since Windows *IS* the card's premiere
>application, I agree that deserves all attention.  So we may not see DOS
>VESA drivers supporting 16bit/24bit until there are 24bit drivers for Win?

Problem with so-called "DOS drivers" is that there is no such thing. There
will have to be Freelance drivers, AutoCAD drivers (which I bet have almost
as much priority as Windows drivers), Harvard Graphics drivers, Drawperfect
drivers, Lotus drivers, Freelance drivers, Visicalc drivers, AsEasyAs dri-
vers, Paradox drivers, CyrillicSharewareFromHell drivers, RBase drivers, 
PC-File drivers - 

you get the idea...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:24:38 -0500 
From: Bertrand Lee <chameleon+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
	<1993Jan21.141858.24970@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

On 21-Jan-93 in Re: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 
user Coyt D Watters@magnus.ac writes:
>Since the P5 is officially the PENTIUM, and there are systems using V20, V30
>and 8088 processors out there, I think the .x86. designator may not be the 
>best for naming.  Maybe the generic "pc" could be used, though all the 
>competing architectures (Amiga, Mac, etc) can claim that they are also
>"personal computers".

I agree. This may be a personal opinion, but I feel that the term "pc"
is a lot more familiar and accessible than "x86". When I first saw the
term "x86" in this newsgroup, I did not understand what it meant.
Somehow, "386" and "486" sounds extremely different from "x86" That "x"
reminds me of xwindows, etc etc.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jmaster@hfglobe.intel.com (Justin Masters)
Subject: Re: What is a P23T processor?
Keywords: processor, P23T
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:01:27 GMT

tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:

>In article <fictorie.727519530@athena.research.ptt.nl> H.Fictorie@research.ptt.nl writes:
>>So, what's a P23T processor, overdrive?, pentium? anything else??

>The P23T is the DX2 OverDrive(tm) and the P24T is the 237-pin, 32-bit
>OverDrive(tm) which uses Pentium(tm) technology.  And... I think that
>they P23 was the 487sx (ie. the OverDrive(tm) DX).


Is it sheer irony that an AMD person is supposed to know what the internal
Intel names for various chips are? 

Justin Masters
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From: dhess@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Drew William Hess)
Subject: Re: Gateway 66V Problems/Solutions
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:06:26 GMT

fuad@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Turnando Fuad) writes:

>Well I've had my fair share of Gateway disappointments over the last 3 weeks.
>I've got my system in a sort of usable mode right now. Let me share some of the
>problems and solutions I have dealt with.

>My config.	Gateway 66V 8M	64K cache
>		With Ultrastor 34F(local bus SCSI controller) and Toshiba HD.
>		Proaudio Spectrum Card
>		NE2000(for use with FTP Software)

>QEMM:
>   Have encountered QEMM problems with NE2000 software. Windows complains of
>not having enough memory. There's plenty. Use HIMEM and Windows comes up fine.
>   Mach32 install program hangs in custom monitor mode if QEMM is used. It 
>works fine with HIMEM.

As someone else said, it's documented that you shouldn't do this (mach32
INSTALL.EXE doesn't like QEMM).  Other than this, though, the ATI GUP works
fine with QEMM 6.02.

>Proaudio Spectrum Card:
>   If the DOS driver is loaded, Windows consistently complains of corrupt swap
>file. Windows will come up but will not allow permanent swap space. Exclude
>the sound driver(in DOS) and Windows works fine with card.

I don't have this problem at all.  Maybe you should try the latest driver,
version 3.11.  If this doesn't help, at ftp.uwp.edu in /pub/incoming/proaudio
there's a file named PAS15UT.ARJ or something like that which has an
executable that obviates the need for MVSOUND.SYS if you're only running
Windows.

-dwh-
dhess@cs.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rich@cctwin.ee.ntu.edu.tw (Rich Tsai)
Subject: DOS Drivers for Future Domain SCSI card.
Organization: NTUTaiwan
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:55:58 GMT

Greeting Clubber,

         I am looking for a DOS Device Driver for the Future Domain
    SCSI card that can handle more than 3 HDs in the card. Are there
    any one out there using such kind of driver ? I have asked the
    local dealer here but they told me that they don't have it.

    And are there any ASPI driver for the Future Domain SCSI card ?
    I know it maybe difficulty to get/buy it, but any informations
    about this is very appreciated.

    Does the Future Domain own a BBS for the programs updated or
    teck support ?

    Thnaks,

Rich.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gchalk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Chalk)
Subject: VESA local bus  vs. OPTI local bus
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:55:27 GMT

what is the difference between the VESA and OPTI local bus???

how well supported is the OPTI local bus?

thanks

geoff
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ZEOS 36-bit SIMM info
Date: 23 Jan 1993 02:38:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Sounds like a frustrating problem.  I wonder if the 8MB double-4's will work
better on the ZEOS EISA?  Anyway, I'm eagerly awaiting availability of the
16MB simm. ;)

Mike
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From: wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken)
Subject: Seagate 3144A and Quantum LPS50AT
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:28:24 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I currently have a Quantum LPS50AT IDE drive living in my computer, and am
finding it pretty darn cramped lately.

I have an opportunity to buy a Seagate 3144A very cheaply, and I was wondering
if anyone was aware of any problems with using these two drives together.

If no inter-manufacturer problems exist, here are a few questions.....

Does it matter which drive acts as the master?
What are the jumper settings for these drives?

Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to give!

Scott
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From: wsaker01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Willard S. Akers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Gateway way unresponsive
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:30:59 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

And don't forget their lack of any technical genius!  Has anyone called their
Tech Line for support besides me?  The guy on the other end sounded like David
Letterman's "Dumb Guy". 

I asked for some help and he quoted from the manual which I had directly in
front of me. I made some other suggestions about what my problem might be and
the guy had no idea at all what I was talking about.  I think the TIME-LIFE
operator Judy could have helped me more!

Byron
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Mother/Vidio boards
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:49:42 GMT

I am interested in a PC that has a UMB vlb mother board and a Cardex vidio
board.  Does anyone know anything about these boards or companys.
Thanks
 
 
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