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From: bmatthew@umbc5.umbc.edu (Bud Matthews)
Subject: Re: Performance Pipes
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:17:37 GMT

In article <125100002@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> schleiger@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schleiger) writes:
>
>
>I  recently  posted  asking  for  advice  about  performance   pipes.  I
>installed  my new  pipes  and  wanted  to give  some  feedback  on them.
>Several people mentioned the Python II and the Kerker pipes.  The shop I
>bought at were  really hot on the Drag  Specialties  Python II pipes, so
>thats what I got.  Price was  $220.00  which is higher  than some  other
>brands.  The  installation  was a snap, 1 hour.  The  sound is a  little
>louder  than I had  expected  but nice.  Most  cities  here  have  noice
>ordinances  along the front range of Colorado, so I am a little  uptight
>about that as I know other bikers who have been nailed.  But, when I let
>off on the throttle,  they aren't too loud.  The bike really runs better
>now!  My only  complaint  was the place I bought  them from got  tapered
>pipes  instead of slash cuts which I ordered,  so it took a while to get
>the  right  ones.  I'll  need to watch  the plugs to make  sure I am not
>running too lean and I definitly am going to get a less  restrictive air
>cleaner soon.  Even my wife is pleased with the new sound, so it must be
>a winner.
>
>Bob   1990 FXRS CON

Now I am confused.  I ordered Python II's and was told that they (a) do
not come in slash cut, only tapered, and (b) they cost $279.00.  In any
case, mine are back-ordered until mid-May.  Is it really the case that
Python II's for a 1990 FXRS come in slash cut?  Anybody have an 800
number for Drag Specialties?


-- 
Bud Matthews				1990 Low Rider
Department of Sociology			HOG#0411931
University of MD, Baltimore County	AMA#571307
Standard disclaimers apply.
From: rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Entry Level Position Desired....
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:56:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr8.005647.11930
Reply-To: rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, MAH76X@ROHVM1.BITNET () says:

>I need something bigger at this point in time.  I *REALLY* wanted a NEW
>Sportster.  The salesman told me I wouldn't find a new one at any of the Philly
> area dealers.  Should I believe him, and search for whatever my next options
>are (buy another bike, buy a used bike, wait til the end of the summer)?  Any
>help would be appreciated.

Believe him (or, as in my case, her).  Southeast HD (Cleveland, OH) is one
of the larger HD dealers in the country.  I spoke with my saleswoman
this morning and she told me they've only got 38 bikes left for the '92
year.  No more Sportsters.  Most are the larger dressers.  Not to
worry, though, because they'll probably be sold out of those by the
end of May (June at worst).  Order your '93 Sportster now!

You may want to go to your local library, pick up some Yellow pages,
and call up different HD dealers in some more depressed areas of
the country (New England?).  They may have some left -- but expect
to pay a premium since they know you're desperate.

Since you're down in Philly, why don't you try the HD dealer in
Scranton, PA.  I can't remember the name but that's a depressed
area (or maybe just depressing).  I was there last December and
they didn't seem to be doing as well as some of the Cleveland
dealers.  Good Luck!
From: grenley@cirrus.com (George Grenley)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Well Made, AMF, etc.
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:53:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California

In article <6APR199215414432@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com> hebert@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com (ISVAX  6N55 HEBERT        35109) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.173024.24891@cirrus.com>, grenley@cirrus.com (George Grenley) writes...
 
>>According to the book about Harley as a business, "Well made in America",
>>AMF-Harley spent a few million on the Porsche Design contract for a V
>>four.  

>Isn't "Well made" and "AMF-Harley" a contradiction?

No.  Go read the book.  HD and HD riders owe a lot to AMF.  When AMF acquired
HD in 1969, AMF was run by a guy named Rodney Gott.  Mr Gott had been a
Harley rider for 20 odd years, and was concerned that HD was going out of
business because it was underfunded, inefficient, and badly run - all true,
go check the financials on HD in the 60s.

AMF poured millions into HD, building a new assembly plant in York, 
overhauling the Milwaukee plant, etc.  When AMF bought HD, HD didn't
even have an assembly line - they dragged the bikes around on wooden pallets!
Sure, some HD employees got pissed, 'cuz they actually had to start
working for a living.

In the late 70's, Rodney Gott died.  The assh*le who succeeded him didn't
understand the MC business, (or any other - look at AMF's record since), and
HD again ran into problems.  A group of managers, led by Rich Teerlink,
bought HD from AMF in a leveraged buyout, and built HD into what it is today.
Rich Teerlink and his team were guys brought into HD by Rodney Gott's AMF.
They were the guys who put the quality control systems into place that have
done so much to make HDs popular again.

If it weren't for AMF, HD would have gone the way of Indian, Norton, Triumph,
BSA, Matchless, etc, etc, etc.

Face it, Folks - if a business doesn't make money, it doesn't survive.  Lots
of folks seem to want HD to build knuckleheads forever.  Have you ridden
a knucklehead?  The world progresses, HD progresses.  This is a Good Thing.

Go read the book! It's fascinating, and you'll find out who some of the other
good guys and bad guys really are.

George
From: grenley@cirrus.com (George Grenley)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Europe
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:26:25 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California

In article <ranck.51@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.030746.18956@sbcs.sunysb.edu> cgreen@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Charles W Green) writes:

>>Has anyone ever tried to bring a harley in Europe and try to sell it????
>>I'm thinking about buying a soft tail riding it around a bit in Europe,
>>selling it to hopefully for enough to cover my trip..... 

>Well, I don't know.  European countries usually don't like to have people
>do this.  I think when you enter the country with a vehicle from the US
>the Customs people will ask a *lot* of questions all basically aimed at
>determining if you will sell it while you are there.  That's because they
>want to collect the import duties up-front.  

Well, I do.  A good friend of mine did it recently.  He sold a mid-70's
vintage FX in Germany, and did OK financially.  Shovels, and earlier bikes,
are most desirable - evos are not worth the trouble.

You'll want a bike which is more or less stock, and certainly stock looking.
German officials will let you bring in a "stock" bike, and they're not
exactly sure what stock is, so if it looks normal, it'll probably get by.
Don't try to send a chopper or custom, or one where all the numbers don't
match.

Shipping will cost about $1000 - contact freight forwarders in your area for
one with some experience with bikes or at least cars.

You'll want to build a _sturdy_ crate for it.  Don't scrimp here.  Also,
LEAVE THE BATTERY AT HOME!!!!!! Buy a new one in Germany; Yuasa sells
batteries there, too.  Batteries leak acid, cause shipping problems, etc.
Also drain _all_ the gas.  Oil's OK tho.

Your best bet is if you have someone in Europe who can help you to 
pre-advertise, and handle paperwork.  Also, it may take a few weeks to
sell, so either plan on staying or plan on leaving it with someone you trust.

Profit?  Well, with luck you'll pay for your trip.  Shovels are around 8-9K
over there, vs 4-5 here.  By the time you pay shipping, duties, etc, you'll
have enough to pay for the airline tickets and 3 weeks worth of bed and beer.
And, of course, you're going to ride the bike while you're there, which is
the best part.

Have I covered everything?  If not lemme know.

George
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: hebert@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com (ISVAX  6N55 HEBERT        35109)
Subject: Re: Here's some info on Nova
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 22:41:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.173024.24891@cirrus.com>, grenley@cirrus.com (George Grenley) writes...
> 
>According to the book about Harley as a business, "Well made in America",
>AMF-Harley spent a few million on the Porsche Design contract for a V
>four.  

Isn't "Well made" and "AMF-Harley" a contradiction?

-Rick
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: lynn@Pacesetter.COM (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: Nova engine status??
Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:59:21 GMT

In article <2469@keele.keele.ac.uk> pha50@seq1.keele.ac.uk (P.J. Mitchell) writes:
>What you mean is that one water cooled OHC V4 looks like another water
>cooled OHC V4, no big deal really, and certainly not grounds to say that
>they were "virtually identical copies"!
>
>Go look at a selection of Japanese (or Triumph) water cooled stright
>fours and note how similar they all look.

 No, I wrote what I meant. I am just putting out some food for thought. The
Magna and Sabre appear to be the Nova... which leads one to wonder if the
design was 'stolen' before Harley had a chance to introduce it. I would do
no good to introduce the Nova AFTER honda introduced their bikes. Then
Harley would appear to be copying honda's design, or rather Harley's
design, or rather Porsche's design...anyway you get the drift.
  If you had seen the photo's of the Nova you would come to the same
conclusion. IDENTICAL.not similiar.The covers, the heads, cases, etc.
  Have YOU seen the photo's of the Nova?

  Anyway, just food for thought. Frankly, I don't give a s..t for the Nova
or any clones.  The V-Twin works just fine. My 87 FXSTC has 90k miles and
still hauling my butt comfortably.  Then again so does my XR1000 and
Pan-Shovel when I'm feeling frisky and want a change of wheels.
                                    Lynn Hall - Nos Bros
From: cgreen@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Charles W Green)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Europe
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:07:46 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Originator: cgreen@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu


Has anyone ever tried to bring a harley in Europe and try to sell it????
I'm thinking about buying a soft tail riding it around a bit in Europe,
selling it to hopefully for enough to cover my trip..... 




email me at
cgreen@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu 
    or 
agaskiev@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: lynn@Pacesetter.COM (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: Sporty for sale
Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:38:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.150406.19753@colorado.edu> bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) writes:
>For Sale:  1992 sportster   1000cc     needs a little work, nothing drastic, 
>needs the rear wheel changed. I paid a guy to put a 16" rear wheel on it for 
>me. He put a mag wheel on it off of a dresser. Then to get the chain off of the
>tire he had to cock the wheel off to one side, making it go down the road 
>sideways. I have the proper wheel for it now: it just needs to be put on.  
>Also needs pushrod tube seals. I'm asking $1900 and thats pretty firm.
>
>Jerry
>(bowmanj@fred.colorado.edu)
>(303) 492-4293 (w)
>      776-5039 (h)
>

 If you're not 'pulling my chain' I'll purchase that '92 Sportie - cash of
course. I could use a fourth bike in my stable and give it to my kid when
he gets home from Germany (Army). Get in touch ASAP and I'll fly right out
and ride home if it isn't already sold. (714) 588-0991
                                      Lynn Hall NOS-Bros.
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Evo engines in earlier frames
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:59:12 GMT
Reply-To: davek@scooter.intel.com
Distribution: alt
Organization: Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <13794@star.cs.vu.nl>, ajguepi@cs.vu.nl (Guepin AJ) writes:
> HD built 'early' frames with EVOs.
> 
> These were so called FX frames. Shovels were FXE FXS and others.
> FX frames with EVOs were FXWG and FXSB, both 85 models.
> 
> The 1985 FXSB has belt drive (secondary), thats what the B in FXSB
stands for.
> It has a 4-speed kicker (The 85 FXWG has a belt too), it does noot
have rubber                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Funny they quit making the FXWG in 1984. I happen to own one of the last 10
that rolled off the line (I verified the serial numbers with the factory.)
The FXST line replaced the FXWG and the frames are not the same. The FXWG had 
rear shocks where as the FXST had a mono-shock set-up. A block head engine in
a FXWG frame would be a tight fit (EVO may be too tall). Both used a Showa 
front end which looks the same.

Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
From: ronan@codon2 (Karen Ronan;161 GPBB;x2-0884)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Afraid to Love Again
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:10:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sktvrINN8j0
Organization: University of California
NNTP-Posting-Host: codon2.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr16.125118.471@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Salter) writes:
>
>After being used and betrayed in various relationships, how does one
>find the courage to love again? Sure, the emotion is there maybe and
>you can't control it but at the same time the fear that "it might
>happen again" is there.

Steve,

Each person finds their own courage. Love is always inside
of each of us, waiting to be expressed in various ways.
Love does not go away somewhere and have to be retrieved.
We all want someone special, or some special people.
There are no guarantees in love or life.  My philosophy
is to enjoy the present and not worry about whether it's
going to work out according to my plan or my convenience
or my habit. The less my ego is attached to someone loving
me when and how I would like it, the more open I am to
the risks of "heartbreak."  Heartbreaks are largely due
to the ego's pain in letting go of dreams and desires that
aren't happening.

-Karen

ronan@codon2.berkeley.edu

"Red lotus incense fades on
The jewelled curtain."
From: rhw@att.com (Robert Wentworth)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Prince of Tides
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:54:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

I saw the movie, and my response was a bit different.  While I thought the
movie was well done and affecting, it didn't hit me where I live, though
perhaps it once would have.  Where the movie fell short for me was in its
use of the cliche that psychological turmoil results from overt trauma.
Sometimes it does (and there are an amazing number of people who have had to
endure overt traumas of one sort or another), but certainly not always.  For
me personally, it is more horrifying to contemplate the sort of traumas that
are so subtle that they nearly impossible to convey to anyone who hasn't
been there.  The incomprehension of others (or even oneself) adds to the
horror.  But then, we each have our own triggers that stimulate
nightmares...

Speaking of movies with disturbing psychological themes, did anyone
ever see "Birdy" [Birdie?] or "Frances"?  It has been a while, and I
don't know how they would affect me now, but I remember them as
psychologically powerful movies...

Bob
From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au (Stein, the 24hr man)
Subject: Re: follow-up (REPOST - POSTER FAILED)
Sik-Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about!
Organization: Sik-SW, Dept-Comp-Sci, Uni-Of-W'gong, NSW 2500, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:58:14 +0800

To: ws1d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Wendy Sherman)

In alt.support,
    article <Qdv4_1C00iUy81o6A8@andrew.cmu.edu>,
        ws1d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Wendy Sherman) wrote:
>
>Regards and spring flowers,  (I love flowers)
>

If you e-mail me your address, I'll send you some flowers...

Promise... (Could take a couple of weeks, I'm going on holidays)...

I have lost a friend doing this before (was taken the wrong way)...

I have had a number of friends over the years, some real and some fake...

It's hard to tell them apart...

Maybe this is why I liked my daughters song...

I could relate to it, and I think it's the fake friends who lose, not me...

>Wendy

All the best,

 Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'When thou walkest through the fire, thou shall not be burned.' -Isaiah 43:2
'Samme hvor du g}r, der er du' - Buckaroo Banzai
From: MAUKONEN@ucf1vm.cc.ucc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Learning to Trust
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:35:46 GMT
Organization: Your Organization


 
I tend to agree that trusting has to be done with caution. However if one does
not trust anyone, then this leads to isolation which is not good. I think that
you have to be able to reach a middle ground where you are willing to give
someone initially the benifit of the dout. Slowly sometimes, and with risk.
I think in order to do this, you must be able to trust yourself and your own
judgement. This can be the hardest thing of all if your trust was betrayed by
by you care givers at a young age. I know, I am still working on this myself.
 
No one wants to get hurt, however it is part of life. How can you know happines
s and joy if you do not know sadness and pain. "The other side of the coin" as
the saying goes
                           Chris
From: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Prince of Tides
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:20:16 GMT
Reply-To: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.support, crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell) writes:
>
>Anyone else read the book?  How does it compare to the movie?

I read the book and saw the movie.  The movie concentrated mainly on
the love story and didn't deal as much with the family issues raised
in the book.   I was disappointed in the movie for this reason.  However,
the characters in the book were so rich, it would be impossible to bring
all the characters to the screen.

I read an article about Pat Conroy (author of 'Prince of Tides').  Apparently
'Prince of Tides' is fictional but somewhat autobiographical.  The article
said that he had a sister who was really a poet who was successful in
committing suicide.  It also said 'The Great Santini' was also loosely
autobiographical.  I haven't read 'The Great Santini' but plan on it.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Betty Harvey  <harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil>     | Give your best all of 
David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division |   the time. 
Office Automation Systems Branch             | When your time is over 
Bethesda, Md.  20084-5000                    |   you will have no  
                                             |   regrets.   
(301)227-4901                                |           -me- 
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/
From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: What constitutes a best friend?
Keywords: friends, emotions, honesty, space
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:40:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Friends in the world and support for little frightened children ...

There are times when I am incredibly isolated from the people in
the world who love me and whom I love.  I learned a trick which
is useful in a number of situations;  dealing with an "unsafe"
person, resolving things with an estranged person, dealing with
unfinished business when someone you love has died, and dealing
with myself.

I use a blank book.  On the left hand pages I write letters, expressing
all the "bad things".  This would be a place for expressing the fears
and loneliness, for example.  On the right hand pages, I write "back";
that is, I answer the "left side" letters.

This serves many useful purposes.  For one, I can keep myself from becoming
too negative and depressed by keeping the right side as full as the left.
Second, I can rally positive thoughts and self-encouragement in direct
response to the negatives.  It is good practice for positive self-talk.
It helps you see how resourceful you really are.

It is also good for becoming a friend to yourself, an important step to
self-love and self-esteem.  Reading your own letters and trying to
comfort yourself is a rather unique perspective; it allows you to see
yourself as human.  Comforting yourself is an under-rated skill.
Too many people think you have to have someone else comfort you.  But
when I was in a hotel fire a thousand miles from home, there was
no one there to comfort me except me.  When I was in the hospital
emergency room in Florida, there was no one there to comfort me
except me.  Neither situation was due to a lack of friends or
family; they were the product of circumstance.  Self-reliance is
a survival skill;  it includes the ability to comfort yourself
when upset or scared.

Anyway, back to the left-right book method.
It worked for me.  For someone else?  Who knows?  No guarantees; I'm
no expert.

Peace,
Mary
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au (Stein, the 24hr man)
Subject: Re: What constitutes a best friend?
Sik-Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about!
Organization: Sik-SW, Dept-Comp-Sci, Uni-Of-W'gong, NSW 2500, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:33:40 +0800

In alt.support,
    article <1992Apr15.164500.8761@rtpnc.epa.gov>,
        rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov (Bob Boyd) wrote:
>
>I am really struck by the honesty of the song -- it tells the hurt and
>the anger and the fear -- breaking a trust seems to always have those
>costs.  
>
First of all, thank you very much for comments.

What really used to hurt me was loosing friends, especially the first
ones, but as you loose more friends you sort of learn to live with it,
and try to find new ones.

What I find real hard is when you loose a friend because of something
you said or did that got mis-interpreted by that person, and you have
no way of correcting it (no matter how hard you try).

I have a few really good (close?) friends, and I have this fear that
I have to be very careful about what I say or do, because the last
thing I want to is to loose them because of some silly mistake.

Fear 1: Do I talk to much when I'm depressed (bore them to death).
Fear 2: Do I make sense to them at all? (Me no native English you see).
..

This is a bit different from what my daughters song was all about,
but it remainded me so much about an old Joan Jett song - Fake Friends,
that it got me thinking about this friend business again...

Enough rambling for now...

Oh, by the way, my daughter has written a couple of other, related songs
too, any interest? (Yes, she knows that I post - and I have her permission).


 Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'When thou walkest through the fire, thou shall not be burned.' -Isaiah 43:2
'Real programmers hate decaffeinated coffee' -?