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From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Range Rovers using GM Parts
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:04:02 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In <jimd.725436019@sfu.ca> jimd@fraser.sfu.ca (Jim Davies) writes:

>>	cast iron)
>         ^^^^^^^^^^the original 215 (both Olds and Buick) used
>die-cast blok and heads. The brit copy is sand cast (last time
>I looked) You are probably thinking about the 300cid Buick V8.

	Oops... 

>Yes, somewhere I read that the brits called these *wonderful* carbs
>"Constant Depression" type. From experience, I am sure it refers to
>the state of mind of the person working on them;-)

	You bet. It took almost six months for me to get so pissed
	off with the S#@%&bergs that I bought the Edelbrock. And
	it was worth every penny. At least when compared to 'S'
	carb. Now I don't even need a special tool to adjust the
	fuel mixture, what a relief... :-)

>>	Rover's V8 is quite a nice little engine, it weighs 10 pounds
>>	more than Ford V6 (the european model, 2.0-3.0l) and with
>>	minor modifications it's excellent for serious off-road use.
>Dont know about the brit version, but the original GM engine was a
>good, though rare, little V8. The Buick version was good for a few
>more HP than the Olds.
						      	
	The Rover version is pretty reliable, too - the engine
	in my 'Range has last time been opened by one of the 
        previous owners and that was more than 110.000 miles 
	/ 5 years ago (!).

-Henri

















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From: kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:49:54 GMT
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)

In article <ljv2roINNojh@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
->How about icy conditions?  The rec.autos FAQ imples that on glare ice,
->the fastest way to stop is just to skid.  This seems counter-intuitive,
->but I'm willing to believe anything.  Also I heard that Audi and/or
->Mercedes(?) recommend turning off ABS under snowy conditions.  That
->also seems counter-intuitive, since falling snow is either wet (when
->it's near freezing or the road has been salted) or dry and drifting
->(when it's below freezing and the road has been plowed).  In the first
->case, you've got wet pavement, a "good" condition for ABS.  And in the
->second case, you've got snow drifts, patches of packed snow and ice,
->plus clear areas of asphalt.  Again, that seems ideal for ABS, which
->excels when tires encounter varying amounts of grip.

In the case of snow it is faster to lock the wheels since the snow will
build up in front of the tires and help to slow the car. Since the
traction is very low, your ability to use the brakes would be very
limited. I think this would hold true for most loose/low traction
situations.

As for the ice, I don't know, but it might be that the friction is
greater with the wheels locked than still turning since the traction
will be very low and therefore the ability to brake will be small.
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From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Subject: Re: Impact is DEAD [was: Electric Vehicles]
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:38:20 GMT

The main problems with electric cars are as follows.  They have much less
power than internal combustion engines, and much less range than 
chemical fuels.  
Thus, to solve this problem, automakers make electric vehicles very light
weight (1500-2000 pounds) and very streamlined with with high pressure
tires (60 psi or so) to reduce rolling resistance.
The point is this.  If you made cars with these features, you would have
cars which easily get 100 mpg.  The GM Ultra Light is an example of a
100 mpg car with these specs.  
Now if you had cars getting 4 times the mileage of other cars
the need for electric cars would be much reduced.

Just a thought.


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From: howell@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (William Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Electrical Problem with 1992 Honda Accord LX?
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:31:23 GMT

I have a friend who has a 1992 Honda Accord LX with all
the various electric features (windows, locks, mirrors).
Whenever they get out of the car and touch the door they
get shocked.  It doesn't matter what time of year or 
weather conditions so this doesn't appear to be a static
electricity problem.  Best guess would be some type of
grounding or shorting problem in the door.  Mechanics to
date have not been able to find a solution.  Anyone by
any chance have this same problem and/or know what might
be the cause?

Thanks.

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Director of Computer Services
Computer Science Department
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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Chapel Hill, NC  27599-3175
Office: 919-962-1717, Receptionist: 919-962-1700
Fax:  919-962-1799
Email: howell@cs.unc.edu
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From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes)
Subject: Lotus Elan...why did it fail?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:50:16 GMT


Now that you have had some time to think about it...why?
From: lethin@raisin-scone.ai.mit.edu (Richard A. Lethin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1986 BMW 325
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:21:37 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: raisin-scone.ai.mit.edu

I'm looking for some BMW afficinado's who could answer some specific
questions about a "new" used 1986 BMW 325 2-door. I intend to do as
much service on the car myself as possible.   Some immediate
questions:

1) My oil warning light goes on about 60-sec after driving the car.
There's plenty of oil in the car (I checked).  I suspect that a recent
engine cleaning I had done might have jostled the connections to the
oil (pressure?) sensor (since this behavior manifested itself on the
drive home from the cleaning), or that the seonsor might be leaking
(there's some oil residue below the engine).  Questions: does my
diagnosis sound plausible?  Where IS the oil pressure sensor?  What
other possible causes for this are there?  (Bad pump?)

2) Question: can you give recommendations for a good repair and
maintenance manual for this car?  Should I just get the manufacturer's
manual?
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From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Re: LH test-drive results (by a buyer)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:58:09 GMT

paul@howtek.UUCP (Paul Rothenberg) writes:
: 
: On an alternate note, a Honda dealer let me test drive a Prelude Si
: ALONE and as long as I needed. Hmmmm. 
:
When i talked to my honda dealer, they just give me the key and a check
for gas (1/4 tank, enough for a test drive) and let me drive it alone. I
was thinking of Nissan Sentra and popped into this honda dealer just by chance.
I ended up buying a 4dr civic. 

BTW, there is no Dodge Intrepid in Canada, it's called Chrysler Intrepid here
and the "Big Horn" badge is replace by a boring five pointed star.

Another thing. I very often check the quality of a car by pressing against
the skin and hearing the door closing sound. Yes i know it's not scientific
enough to judge the quality by these and there was quite a war going on on
the net about these. But ...... Tell you what, the skin of the Intrepid is
as tight and firm as a MB. The New Yorker next to it feels like a pop can.


: ===============================================
: Paul M. Rothenberg
: 
: REPLY TO: paul@howtek.uucp
From: hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:45:18 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <antkasx.724700239@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>, antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock) writes:
|> > The Japanese logos are all SO unimaginative:  I think Subaru and Mazda are the
|> > only two that have any badge other than the first initial of the company.  
|> 
|> I understand (perhaps wrongly) that Subaru's logo is the stars of tarus which
|> the name Subaru is somehow connected with in Japanese.
|> 
|> I don't understand what Mazda's new logo is. I always just liked the way
|> their name was printed in stylized letters.
|> 
|> On a personal note, I *hate* car badges (especially dealership badges), I
|> think that Mercedes leans in the right direction by only placing the little
|> tri-star logo and the model number on the car (My girlfriend claims that the
|> U.S. Mercedes are more crapped up than the Home market models...I don't know).

In the home market it's quite fashionable to remove all badges from Mercedes.
The numbers come off with a heat gun, and the car can even be ordered from the
factory without badges.  This is especially true of the S classes.  V. Nondescript

Since many also have the hood ornament removed (either by thieves, or in
anticipation thereof) the cars can be without any  identification.  But everyone
recognizes a Mercedes a mile away.

|> Beware of the smoking low-riding yugo with the "turbo" badge.
|> 
|> 						-ks
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> K Sturrock
|> ----------------
|> ksturroc@gsu.edu

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From: jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:55:33 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Dec19.065653.47525@datamark.co.nz> thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
>Badges and identity are obviously very important. I feel sorry for BMW
>having to incorporate their traditional grill on all their cars - it
>nearly turns the 850 into a joke!

I think it makes the 850 look truly distinctive. Have you seen the newer BMW
bikes? They shape the radiator fairing into a huge twin-kidney bean!!!

Jit
From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Ford Sierra Cosworth RS2400
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:52:21 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


	I got my hands on a book called 'Classics in Colour - Ford
	Sierra Cosworth' and it mentioned the special conversion
	package called 'RS2400', which consists of a stroker crank
	(twice the usual number of balance weights), custom-made
	pistons, connecting rods, camshaft, computer chip and
	fuel injectors.

	I'm not in search for more power ( 502.2hp dynoed, 
	thank you) but more torque - even though it has even more
	power in the low-end than the stock, the kick when turbo
	comes in (at 3400rpm) overshadows the low-end power and
 	the car feel like a slug if you don't rev the engine.

	The sentence that got my attention is: 'The 2.4 has the 
	driveability of a small V8 and the top-end surge of a
	Phantom jet on full afterburn.'

	The package is offered by P&P Performance / Power 
	Engineering (in UK) but there's just one minor problem:
	I don't know the address or or phone number of either
	one of these companies.

	If someone knows the addresses, please mail me, I'd really
	appreciate it.

-Henri
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From: lazorisa@duck.ee.udel.edu (I am Dude...)
Subject: Info on Dodge Stealth
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:11:16 GMT



	I am looking into the purchase of a Dodge Stealth and would like to
know as much as possible about it ( performance, problems, prices new & used, etc).
	Please send any info to me at 'lazorisa@udel.edu' or just post it in this
group.


	Thanks....

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From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Subject: Re: J. D. Powers Survey: The 5+ Years of Ownership Experience
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:49:22 GMT

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>(6) Despite the fact that a huge percentage of Hondas are designed and built
>in the USA (yeah!) and that _all_ Acuras are designed and built in Japan,
>Hondas actually rank _higher_ than Acuras and are #2 after Mercedes-Benz.

>Conclusion:

>If you can afford it, buy Honda.  It is a symbol of American excellence in 
>engineering and manufacturing.

Actually, Hondas are only assembled in the US. All the design work and
much of the parts comes from Japan.  Also, only some Hondas are assembled
in the US.  I don't know which models this applies to.  So in reality,
buying a Honda really doesn't help the US economy that much.  If you 
really wanted to do something good for the US, buy a GM, Ford, or Chrysler.

You know what really bugs me is people who complain about why the government
doesn't do anything to help the economy, but they themselves have 
a Toyota on their driveway.  Its like an animal rights activist 
complaining about the rights of animals, but they are wearing a leather 
jacket.

By the way, this is not a flame directed at the person who wrote the previous 
article, because the previous author never mentioned anything about
the US economy. 

 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)
Subject: Re: J. D. Powers Survey: The 5+ Years of Ownership Experience
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:02:08 GMT

In article <BzwoAA.1oG@ccu.umanitoba.ca> cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai) writes:

>(Dwight Joe) writes:

>>(6) Despite the fact that a huge percentage of Hondas are designed and built
>>(yeah!) and that _all_ Acuras are designed and built in Japan,
>>Hondas actually rank _higher_ than Acuras and are #2 after Mercedes-Benz.

Bummer...shoulda bought a Accord over the Integra :)

>>Conclusion:

>>If you can afford it, buy Honda.  It is a symbol of American excellence in 
>>engineering and manufacturing.

>Actually, Hondas are only assembled in the US. All the design work and
>much of the parts comes from Japan.  Also, only some Hondas are assembled
>in the US.  I don't know which models this applies to.  So in reality,
>buying a Honda really doesn't help the US economy that much.  If you 
>really wanted to do something good for the US, buy a GM, Ford, or Chrysler.

You can determine where a Honda is made from checking the vin I think.
Japanese assembled Hondas have a J prefix.  You can also (according to
a service manager :) check the number of tie wraps on wiring.
American assembled Hondas have fewer tie wraps than the same car
assembled in Japan.  It saves money but rattles more.

>You know what really bugs me is people who complain about why the government
>doesn't do anything to help the economy, but they themselves have 
>a Toyota on their driveway.  Its like an animal rights activist 
>complaining about the rights of animals, but they are wearing a leather 
>jacket.

Humph...as my girlfriend said...if you've met meat cows you know they
deserve to be food...mean beasties :).

[rest deleted]

>Cyrus Shafai                        <cshafai@ee.umanitoba.ca>
 
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From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 93 Ford Probe GT Prices
Keywords: Probe
Date: 31 Dec 92 05:46:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <rande.725728918@prussian21> rande@rtsg.mot.com (Kris Rande) writes:
>Can anyone give me an idea of what the dealer invoice price is
>on a new 1993 Ford Probe GT?  Please email responses to me.  If
>there's an interest, I'll post a summary here.

Nah, we'll just get 3 or 4 "me too" posts like we do every other month...

                Probe   w/251A  w/253A      GT     GT w/261A   GT w/263A

MSRP            12845   13240   15266     15174     16625      19523
Invoice+HB      11597   11932   13654     13670     14903      16132


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From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:22:12 GMT

In article <241@io.trident.datasys.swri.edu>, johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns) writes:
> 
>  The emergency brake is also what you use to do a J-turn, I think that's
>  what they're called.  The ones that are on TV and in movies alot, where you
>  do a 180 real fast by letting the back end of the car do most of the
>  traveling! :)

Close, remove the emergency brake from one side first, but you'll
probably cause an accident rather than avoid one.  The movies use
one that doesn't lock, so when they let go, so do the brakes.
I've seen it used on dune buggies to turn around on the side of a dune.
They go straight up the dune with the front in the air and use one
of these brakes to turn the buggy around on a dime and come back down.

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From: teoallan@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Allan TEO)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:49:31 GMT
Subject: ABS-TRAX real or fake?, Whats the diff?
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Hi,
 Did someone out there install ABSTRAX in their car?
 Is it any good?

 Whats is the fdifference between cars that come with
 ABS and cars that fit in rethrofit systems like ABSTRAX?

 If ABSTRAX is lousy, what other brands of rethrofits are
 good?

 REgds
 Allan
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 23:19:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

How about icy conditions?  The rec.autos FAQ imples that on glare ice,
the fastest way to stop is just to skid.  This seems counter-intuitive,
but I'm willing to believe anything.  Also I heard that Audi and/or
Mercedes(?) recommend turning off ABS under snowy conditions.  That
also seems counter-intuitive, since falling snow is either wet (when
it's near freezing or the road has been salted) or dry and drifting
(when it's below freezing and the road has been plowed).  In the first
case, you've got wet pavement, a "good" condition for ABS.  And in the
second case, you've got snow drifts, patches of packed snow and ice,
plus clear areas of asphalt.  Again, that seems ideal for ABS, which
excels when tires encounter varying amounts of grip.

Note that ABS was developed to stop jet planes landing on a runway.
For that application, it helps even on dry pavement.
From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:14:31 GMT
Distribution: na

kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:

>Out of the frying pan, into the fire!

No, it's more like:

Out of the shop, onto the road!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: janaka@space.cadet.hq (Space Cadet)
Subject: Geo Prizm vs. Honda Civic
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: honda, geo
Reply-To: jwithana@phoenix.princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:46:51 GMT

I am considering buying a small 4-door car in the $11,000 price range with a 
5-speed manual transmission and air conditioning.

Should I look futher than the Geo Prizm LSi or Honda Civic DX? I want a car that
will be relaible in the long term.


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From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Saturn Crashworthiness (was: The Amazing Cut Away Saturn)
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1992Dec30.224602.23755@sctc.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.224602.23755@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:

   phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

   >Saturn has gotten just about the worst crash test results in its class.
   >I wonder whether the use of so much plastic has something to do with it.

   Er, this was hashed out pretty thoroughly on the Saturn list: there
   were some misleading numbers put out owing to a change in NTSA testing
   procedures. All this happened around a year ago.  Updated numbers (as
   well as anecdotal evidence) indicates that the Saturns are at least,
   if not more, crashworthy than other cars of their size. The design is
   much like a NASCAR racer, being a steel cage covered with non-load
   bearing skin.  The use of plastic actually helps, as it enables more
   weight to be devoted to the cage.

   Earl

The figures I saw were from at least 2 years ago.  If things
are better than they sounded, that's good to hear--I may actually
pay attention to Saturn when I'm car shopping next year.
But the figures were very widely publicized NHTSA (NTSA?) reports.
I'm surprised to have not seen a big stink in the media if the
test results were not fair.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yanr@ecf.toronto.edu (YAN RAYMOND TZE-HENG)
Subject: ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS WITH 1992 ACCORD EX-R
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:19:50 GMT

Hello netters,
    As a response to a posted article, I frequently have the experience of
getting shocked almost every time when I get out of my car. Personally I
believe that it's a problem with the electrical system. I have my car checked
up in a dealer but the explanation I got was normal 'static charge'. 
    Anyone also have this problem and in particular, have it solved, please
let me know. Any help and information will be appreciated.
							 Raymond 


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