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From: maire@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Adresses ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:06:28 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Nov8.191112.17852@wixer.cactus.org>, lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes:
> Yet another CO company:  Journal Graphics.  Yes, folks, they're the ones
> that print up transcripts of EVERYTHING.  They're address is:
> 
> 	Journal Graphics
> 	1535 Grant St.
> 	Denver, CO  80203
> 	(800) 825-5746
> 	(303) 831-9000
> 
> For those posting addresses & phone numbers, could you also post
> fax numbers?  
Hey, another idea along this lines.  I konw that in the past Journal
Graphics has done transcripts for Oprah Winfrey (I'm not certain if
they still do.)  Oprah has been mostly supportive of LGB causes and
in fact had a gay half-brother.  Maybe she would be willing to send
her transcript business elsewhere?  Anyone want to look into this?
> 
> 
> ======================================================================
> "For I can see that in the midst of death, Life persists; in the
> midst of untruth, Truth persists; in the midst of darkness, Light
> persists."
>                                       Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
> 
> lazarus@wixer.cactus.org
> Michael Lax, 12514 Esplanade St., #B, Austin, TX  78727-4409
> 512.837.1596 (h), 512.836.9715 (fax)
--Tina M. Wood
  maire@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
  maire@drycas.bitnet
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Homophobic garbage
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:54:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1drpvtINNn3o@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:

->main() {
->int sex, MALE;
->
->sex=rand();
->
->if (!MALE) then
->	printf("%s",have_sex(cool));
->else
->	printf("%s",have_sex(freak));
->
->exit(TRUE);
->}
->
->----->kinda stupid ain't it?  How many *semantic* errors can you find?

1)   You need to include <stdio.h> if you're using printf
2)   Symbolic constants are all upper-case.  Automatic variables (MALE) are
     not. (OK, it'll work.  It's still not PC).
3)   MALE will come in with a random number between the lowest integer and the 
     highest ... so the chances of it being 0 (so !MALE is true) are very very
     small.
4)   You don't have 'then' in C.
5)   You didn't define have_sex().
6)   You didn't define cool or freak.
7)   You didn't define TRUE.
8)   Your tab style sucks (I'd have deducted some points, but then again, I'm
     anal-retentive).
9)   You didn't seed the random function.
10)  rand() is much less reliable than random()
11)  You never used sex for anything (and isn't that an oft-heard complaint
     from the fundies?)

Now, then ... for my implementation.  

---
#include <stdio.h>

/* Mundane number of partners is assumed for the benefit of the original
   poster 
*/
int partner_1 ; 
int partner_2 ; 

/* Mundane number of genders is assumed for the benefit of the original 
   poster
*/
#define MALE 1
#define FEMALE !MALE

char *approval(void) {
	if (partner_1 == partner_2) {
		/* Same-sex */
		if (partner_1 == MALE) {
			/* Fags */
			return ("Y'all are freaks and will burn in hell!") ; 
		}
		else {
			/* Dykes */
			return ("Y'all are so hot! I'm joining you!") ; 
		}
	}
	else {
		/* Breeders */
		return("Y'all are OK.") ; 
	}
}
		
main(void) {

	/* Initialize the random function */
	srandom(time(0)) ; 

	partner_1 = random() % 2 ; 
	partner_2 = random() % 2 ; 

	printf("%s\n", approval()) ; 
}

---

Granted, this will yield heterosexual couples 50% of the time (Chance of
having a lesbian couple: .5 * .5 = .25.  Chance of having a gay couple: .5 *
.5 = .25.  Chance of having a same-sex couple = .25 + .25 = .5.  Chance of
having a het couple: 1 - P(same-sex) = 1 - .5 = .5).

So, Mike ... 
Do I get a hug?

-roy
-- 
Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu             rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
"Letters from you make me feel good."  -Laura Creighton
"Why do you guys all have to have penises?" -anon
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it, but I doubt anyone else did."
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Wanderer Returns
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:40:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: rat.1992Nov12.214036.15157
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

adc@threel.co.uk (Alan "D." Culloch) wrote...
>Hi everyone.  I'm back in Edinburgh now after five weeks in the States,
>and I just wanted to say thank you to the soc.bi people I met while
>I was there.
>
>I had the great
>good fortune to meet up with our very own Ellen and Coe.
>
>And what do you know?  Yes, THE HOT TUB WAS WORKING!
>(After some filtration with a hastily-bought kiddy goldfish-net.)

Well if you call running hot water in from the kitchen sink as
working....

The hot tub is _still_ broken :-( <snif>.
The landlord had an electrican come out and take a look at it, and
the electrician nearly fainted at all the [now] illegal wiring (it's
a 100 year old house.)  However, the landlord did get the electrician
to tell him what was wrong, and has actually done most of the work
now.  It just needs to be hooked back up again to the service panel
I'm tempted to do that last part myself instead of waiting for the
good ole landlord to get back to it, but that last little bit involves
more illegal wiring so I think I'll let him do it.

>For someone from frozen, windy Edinburgh the concept of sitting out
>of doors in mid-October in a hot bath, sipping fresh orange juice
>and discussing variously, life, the whichness of the why, and
>just plain gossip, was positively surreal, and extremely fun.
>Not to be missed.  Thanks Ellen.

Why you're welcome Alan.  Come back and visit when the hot tub jets
are actually working.  Glad you enjoyed it.

Speaking of hot tub jets...(when they _were_ working.)

During the visit of an Orc and a Mr Don Hopkins, we discovered another
silly game.  Blowing up condoms with the hot tub jets.  Enormous amounts
of fun <sorry>.  (Yes Virgina, condoms can stretch quite a bit...)
And yes we have pictures...<grin>

Ellen
From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Looking for INFO
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:54:22 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Hi, this year our Gay Lesbians and Bisexuals Association is working
on forming an OUTREACH committe to help foster support and understanding
Several of our members are having trouble with friends as a result of coming
out and this campus tends to be on the conservative side...so we are looking
to make a change.  I was hoping someone might have some useful statistics,
quotes, trivia that we might use for a poster series to litter the campus
with....we've been to the library and all sources are before 1985 so that isn't
of much help....lots of deep philosophical books on the issues but this isn't
the type of info we need....catchy, eye catching, witty quotes and stats to
wake up the university... Does anyone have such sources?


THanks much
Jen
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: PC (was Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 06:09:47 GMT

Those of you with no taste for a PC-ness discussion, have your killfiles
ready.  You have been warned.  I've ducked this stuff one time too many.

sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley) writes:
: Liberation is not "Don't say bad things about me."  Liberation is "Fuck you, 
: I don't care what you think."  That's why PC-speak is so stupid.

So speaks a white male.  I hope you don't find that an attack, but it's
the impression I get from your logic here.  What I have to say is not
directed at you alone by any means.

Liberation is indeed to be found in having the sheer independence and
power of self-determination to say "Fuck you, I don't care".  Unless you
benefit from the open doors granted to the white, the rich and the male,
you can't say it.  That is why PC-speak is a vital part of changing the
world.

You're an anarcho-capitalist, right?  (Or am I getting my labels in a
twist?)  So you don't want the government to enforce fairness and free
competition.  How else is it going to come about?  (I think I'll make
that rhetorical, if I may - given that we don't live in an anarcho-
capitalist world, I'm more interested in the need for PCness now than
its place in a nonexistant world.)

PC: *politically* correct.  It's about power, the stuff of politics.
There are unempowered people all around us, and we (I use the term
broadly) keep them down.  PC-speak is just basic civility: seeing what
effect the society we are part of has on its minorities and oppresed
groups, and acknowledging their justified complaints against us.

I gotta say, I don't get narked often, but I resent the "sanctimonius"
twist put on the phrase PC to something like the degree I resent the
malicious redefinition of "liberal" and "family values" by American
politicians of recent disempowerment (hah! still gleeful about that,
btw).  If people are being holier-than-thou, call them on it by all
means.  If they are being interfering, say so.  But >political<
correctness is not a vice, it's a moral imperative (and God knows I
don't think there are many of those!).

hugs
Mike, PC and unashamed
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
    "It's only knock and knowall, but I like it" - Genesis (the first one)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Finally Doing It ... Coming Out
Organization: Rational
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:12:06 GMT

mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:

>*LAUGH*  Now >THAT'S< a political action; leaving a vibrator catalog
>lying around in a straight pub/restaurant for some unexpecting vanilla
>het to stumble over!  I feel like a Gideon ... :-)

DnananaDnananaDnananaDnana .... Its super thought police woman!

But I know plenty of vanilla hets that love Good Vibes and their 
catalog.  Straight women buy vibrators too, ya know?!  Sex is not
a queer thing.

Anyways, heres some hugs coming at ya Mike, and when are you getting
your tiny white ass out here?

Iseult.
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: my roomie
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:38:40 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <BxIsM7.4q6@news.udel.edu>, seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
> Hey there. Congratulations.  E-hugs.  (and yes before anyone has to ask
> I am/was a muffin.  A big creme filled muffin.  As you are reading this
> I am exploding all over you.:>

 Eek! Hi! Welcome to soc.bi!

 **hugs, snuggles, and diet-free licks'n'nibbles**

-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Bi Activist burnout (was Re: Get a clue!)
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:58:49 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

   Alan, thanks *tremendously* for that pep talk...(thanks to others who
chimed in in email, too...).

alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:
>Where better than here and biact-l to share this stuff and lighten
>your heart so that you can go on with your excellent work?

   Damn right...8->

   Both groups were instrumental in giving me the motivation to go out and
start some Bi Activism, and both have been crucial in supplying me with
support (both by saying generally nice things as well as helping out with
arguments/tactics etc).


>Take some time to recover (your trip to the US should help! ;-)

   Only 53 days to go!!! 8->


>You have already accomplished a great deal, including:
>  o Writing a pamphlet which is being distributed to bi-friendly
>    groups all around the world this very month by ECBN.  It was packed
>    with the new edition of the _International Directory Of Bisexual
>    Groups_ on Saturday, and I will be mailing it tomorrow to about 320
>    groups in the US and about another 130 elsewhere around the world.

   Yikes! And it was Karina's and my (credit where it's due! Couldn't
have done it without her) first pamphlet, too! Does this make us
"capital 'A' Activists" now? 8-P


>Well, don't put the US and UK on *too* tall a pedestal.  as far as I
>know, the main Boston paper for personal ads (_The Boston Phoenix_)
>will still accept personals only for the "looking for an encounter"
>section, not for the "looking for a relationship" section, on the
>basis that bisexuals (as opposed to straights and LGs) are
>constitutionally incapable of committed monogamous relationships.

   Have they actually *stated* this as their reason? Sheesh...Hmmm, no
state legislation covering discrimination by sexuality, is there? (I keep
forgetting which, 7 is it?, US states have sexuality in their anti-
discrimination laws...). (A clever lawyer possibly could trap them with
a creative application of anti-discrimation laws based on marital status...).


>Of course, we *do* have our moments.  When I went to get a phone
>installed for ECBN's new Bisexual Resource Office, I discovered that
>the local phone company has a Yellow Pages (classified) section for
>Lesbian, Gay, and *Bisexual* groups.

   Wow! Last year our phone book took out the LG entries entirely (on the
grounds that they were "sexually-related" entries and thus offensive or some
lame excuse like that. There were many protests and I think the entries
are back this year).


>That's one of the nice things about taking up the
>challenge in an area in which people have done work elsewhere: you get
>the benefit of their experience, encouragement and support.

   I can only imagine what the very first Bi Activists must have faced...


>Great big gobs of <HUGS>!

   I'll never say no to those... 8->

Joe.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett)
Subject: Re: A blue feather for my cap.
Organization: as little as possible
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 20:05:02 GMT

Jonah Emanuel Safar (safarj@aix.rpi.edu) wrote:
:  Has any one else had the problem where people are comfortable enough
: with yoursexuality to be 'close friends', but not to the point of
: entering a relationship?

Yup - there are several people of both sexes that I want to make love
with because we feel close and comfortable.  Doesn't happen though in
spite of gentle nudging.  Why?

N.

-- 
"If somebody feels really good about who they are, they don't feel                  threatened by what other people are."        Dr. M. Rubenstein
"Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."             Alan Braggins
Nigel Burnett: 78 Normandy Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M4L 3K3, 416-690-1834
Send e-mail to nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca or try uunet.ca!kink!kathunk!nigel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Subject: Re: tackling the bible
Originator: kdc5072@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:02:55 GMT

Pedalin' Faith writes:
->
->A while back, someone - I believe it was Elf! - had a wonderful and informative
->posting listing out counter-arguments and citing references against the 
->bible-bangers' "homosexuality is a sin" attack.
->
Yep...it was Elf!

->For example, one of the things it mentioned was that the bible says it's also
->a no-no to wear clothing woven of two different cloths.
->
Yep...that's there...

->Does anyone have a copy of that listing or any succint rebuttals and/or cited 
->support they would like to contribute to this defense?  

<BIG GRIN>

No list...but... (psuedo long...)

I have 2 born agains living on the floor here...let me tell ya...

It is amazing what some of these people will do to keep their beleifs in
tacked...

Let me give you an example...

Leviticus 18 something has the "thou shall not lie with a man as thy do with
a woman, it is detestable" line...so...

I jumped up to Leviticus 19...and here are a few of what are in there...
   Do not steal.
   Do not lie.
   Do not decieve.
All of these are straight forward...right?

So then I hopped down to the "do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of
material"  (in Leviticus 19 also...)
I was told that that was an analogy...yeah, right!

  He said, "how do you read this one then (one about using true 
  measurements when dealing with people...I can't find it right now...)?"

  I said just as I read it...be honest when dealing with various 
  measurements and other people...

  He said, "no...do not judge others by your measurements."

Go figure!

And if they ever say that the bible has not been modified over the years,
have them read Levitcus 20, especially the end...but be warned, it does 
not follow the format of the other sections, and that is what makes it 
different.  This means that they should have read, or have pointed out 
to them, the differences... (has to do with spiritists and mediums...)

Your best line of attack/defense is to be able to find things in Leviticus
rapidly.  READ it...so that when they give you that line...you know the
others to throw back at them...  Remember, to them, you have to validate
yourself (even if you don't to you or your friends), so use the source of
their arguments against them...and see how creative they get!

As a side note:  The bible says somewhere in it that a man can strike his
wife with a stick not bigger round than his thumb, nor longer (I think) than
his forearm...how's that strike people?

*hugs*

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    =   Kevin Colagio...student at large - Bear code?  You think I   -
    -                aka                 -   know what that is???    =
    =       KDC5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu     -    B2/4 w g++ K s- h+ r   -
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: wups!
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:51:24 GMT


js wrote:
> Q:  how many of soc.biers are married?  just curious.

Brad sticks his hand up in the air! :)


No, this isn't demuffining... I'm just coming out of hibernation, ;)

    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: KT (was Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...)
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:42:41 GMT

In article <27785@castle.ed.ac.uk> mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
>cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>>> Well, that's all very well, and quite nice it sounds too, but what does
>>> raving bisexuality do when it's *not* at home????
>>
>>Simple, he drinks tea in other people's homes of course!
>>
>>Honestly Sion, you know what a mad impetuous raver Kay is -- 
>>especially with a cup of tea and a chocolate digestive.
>
>Yes, I can see it now; I attempt to tempt Kay with a come-on like "Bring
>your own chocolate hob-nobs and I'll provide lashings of lapsang souchong,"
>whereupon the police intervene to stop this impromptu "rave" from taking
>place.  However, like all such raves, if it's stopped in one venue, it
>just pops up somewhere else later ...

For you, Mike, I'd bring something better than chocolate hob-nobs; home
baked chocolate biscuits.  The lapsang sounds wonderful... and you wonder
why we miss you?

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: tackling the bible
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 17:22:43 GMT

tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
: 
: Well, the new testament NEVER mentions homosexuality.  

Oh no?  What about the constant references in John's gospel to "the
disciple Jesus loved," normally presumed to be John, eh?

To be honest, I could have sworn there was something, either in all that
Paul (Mike stifles retching sound) or in Revelation.  However, I don't
have the book to hand, and don't feel like obtaining one to check.  I'd
certainly accept the point you were making about the Gospels though.

hugs
Mike, living a life happily free of concordances.
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
    "It's only knock and knowall, but I like it" - Genesis (the first one)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.064544.4962@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@amber.uchicago.edu writes:
:In article <BxBM10.221@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
:|Altruism is where the positive value of self-satisfaction from the act done
:|outweighs the negative concrete value to yourself of the action.  I dispute
:|that true altruism - where you do something to your detriment, voluntarily,
:|*and feel bad about it* exists.
:
:   Whereall does this definition of altruism exist?  This runs a
:little bit contrary to what the definition I'm familiar with, which
:is doing something to benefit others without necessarily benefiting
:yourself.  This zero-sum you've-gotta-hurt-yourself-or-it's-not-
:altruism definition is bizarre, and I think it's wrong.

It's a paraphrase from what I remember of Dawkin's books on selfish genes;
basically that altruism and selfishness are the same, and the perceived
differences come from 'altruists' giving a higher weighting to the value
of satisfaction earned from doing the acts.

G
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 07:00:45 EST


Hmmm.  Some of us like androgyny AND femininity AND masculinity.  Why 
limit humanity to one type?  

Everyone is welcome to his or her favourite styles; I wouldn't tell 
anyone what to think.  And I like to think of myself as a bit of a New 
Age type.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Homophobic garbage
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:47:00 GMT

In article <1drpvtINNn3o@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>main() {
>int sex, MALE;
>
>sex=rand();
>
>if (!MALE) then
>	printf("%s",have_sex(cool));
>else
>	printf("%s",have_sex(freak));
>
>exit(TRUE);
>}
>
>----->kinda stupid ain't it?  How many *semantic* errors can you find?

You forgot to #include <stdio.h>, or #define TRUE.
You didn't provide extern declarations for rand(), printf(), have_sex(),
or exit().
You didn't provide extern declarations for cool and freak.
MALE is used before it's assigned a value.
sex is never used.
The return value for printf() is never used.
You probably wanted to do exit(0) rather than exit(TRUE).
Writing (void)printf("%s", have_sex(MALE ? freak : cool)); is neater.

"I'm too picky for my code, too picky for my code..."

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents