HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: david@mail.sas.upenn.edu (R. David Murray)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xtropy-l
Subject: Re: Agorics Papers
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:08:06 GMT
Reply-To: david@penndrls.upenn.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Data Center, University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bsw778.HDK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sulko-m@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mark A. Sulkowski) writes:
> 
> 	I am very interested in reading up on Agorics.  I've heard that
> there is a book called _Ecology of Computation_, but I can't seem to
> find it in local book stores.  Does anyone know how I can get a copy?
> And how much it costs?  Please send me the info.

Having just finished most of it, I have a copy of the book in front of me:

  The Ecology of Computation
  B. A. Humberman, Editor
  North-Holland, Amsterdam
  LC QA76.E26 1988
  ISBN 0-444-70379-9 (U.S., paper)
  ISBN 0-444-70375-6 (hardbound)

With the ISBN a good bookstore should be able to tell you if it is
in print (and then order it for you) or start a search for a copy.
I got mine from the library.  If your library doesn't have it, try
inter-library loan.  I have no idea how much it would cost to buy.

> 
> 	Also, if anyone does know of the existence of additional
> information on the subject, let me know how I can get ahold of that
> too.

I guess this means I should post a summary of the replies I got to this
question <grin>:

Hal Finney reports there is a list for the discussion of agoric computing,
email to agorics-request@xanadu.com (I'll be doing so shortly).  He also
suggests posting an initial query, as the group is 'not too active'.

LEVY@LENNY suggests contacting Max More (MORE@USC.EDU), the Executive Director
of the Extropy Institute, which manages (among other things) the Extropian
list.

BTW: thanks, guys, for the help.

Is the Extropian list gated to this LISTSERV list, and if not, how do 
I subscribe?  Also, could some kind soul send me the address to subscribe
to Extropy magazine (I know this must be a FAQ)?  Thanks.
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From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro)
Subject: FTP site for Exi-Essay
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:40:07 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Derek Zahn (derek@cs.wisc.edu) is going to run the FTP
site for the new list.

He will make announcements as needed. The site will be available
on September 1st. By Jan 1 1993 access will be available by e-mail.

This will be a public access FTP for *those* posts to 
exi-essay that have altern. copyright indications or
permissions that would allow such access. The default 
copyright is no x-posting.

Derek Zahn is taking on this roll in true extropian fashion by
a contractual relationship.

-- 
Harry Shapiro  				      habs@panix.com
List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List
Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991
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From: isc20395@nusunix3.nus.sg (KEE WOEI WENN)
Subject: Re:      Re: Extropy magazine bankrupt?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:42:01 GMT

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From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
Subject: Re: Agorics Papers
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:11:25 GMT

In article <86080@netnews.upenn.edu> david@penndrls.upenn.edu writes:

>Is the Extropian list gated to this LISTSERV list,

No.

>and if not, how do I subscribe?

Send mail to extropians-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu

--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com
--
		  Just say "NO!" to death and taxes.
			 Extropian and Proud.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:35:43 -0600
              <CW-EMAIL@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
From:         Hank Harken <IADHRH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      E-mail and calendaring recommendations

 *** Reply to note of 08/21/92 09:20

 (long list of email and calendaring desires deleted)

 CE Software's Quickmail runs on various platforms, and there are gateways
 included or from 3d parties that link it to other mail systems.

 CES and ON Technology recently announced that Quickmail and ON Technology's
 networked calendaring program will work together to pair the capabilities. I
 don't have a copy of the announcement in front of me and I can't remember the
 details. No, QM doesn't run on CMS (but there is a QM/SMTP gateway).

 _
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:17:56 -0400
              <CW-EMAIL@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
From:         "via the vacation program" <chet@ODIN.INS.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      away from my mail

I will not be reading my mail until I return from vacation August 24.
Your mail regarding "     E-mail and calendaring recommendations" will be read
 when I return.

If you have problems with Freenet, send mail to rynes@po.cwru.edu
Problems with other CWRU INS services should be sent to kukura@po.cwru.edu
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:15:42 GMT
Reply-To:     "CNUSC operator" <PUPITRE@FRMOP11.BITNET>
From:         "CNUSC operator" <PUPITRE@FRMOP11.BITNET>
Subject:      Computer shutdown/link failure
Comments: To: NAD-F@FRMOP11.BITNET

The 9000 dumped files were loaded gradually as the tafic allowed us and the sit
uation is normal and stable now , thanks for your co-operation.
regards
Sorry for any inconveniences.

CNUSC Operator
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:36:00 MSK
Reply-To:     095 Mikhail Kuzminsky -135-6388 <KUS@SUEARN2.BITNET>
From:         095 Mikhail Kuzminsky -135-6388 <KUS@SUEARN2.BITNET>
Subject:      FAILURE on DKEARN-SUEARN2 line.

   Our line SUEARN2 - DKEARN line was broken 2 days.Yesterday
in the evening our PTT repair it,now all is ok.
                                               Mikhail.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:59:00 MET
Reply-To:     "SARA Network Information Centre" <NIC@SARA.NL>
From:         "SARA Network Information Centre" <NIC@SARA.NL>
Subject:      TICKET [.sara-cern]920821-1 CLOSE
Comments: To: eot@ebone.net, ic@sara.nl, netmaster@surfnet.nl,
              saranet@sara.nl, sn-ipman@nic.surfnet.nl, ripe-op@ripe.net

Ticket Number: [.sara-cern]920821-1  Ticket Status:   close
Ticket Type:   unscheduled           Ticket Source:   SARA
Ticket Scope:  link                  Site/Line:       Amsterdam-EBS1
Ticket Owner:  nic@sara.nl           Problem Fixer:   SARA

Ticket Opened: 920821 18:06 CET      Problem Started: 920821 18:00 CET
       Closed: 920821 19:58 CET                Ended: 920821 20:00 CET


Problem Description:
        Due to some serious problems with the power supply, the international
        services at SARA (Amsterdam-EBS1) will be interrupted for 2 short
        periods (aprox. 3 minutes).

Affected:
        IP traffic between northern and southern Europe and USA.
        Also affected: EARN traffic.

Actions:
        Power supply will be fixed.

Time to fix:
        aprox. 2 hours

Fix:
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:38:41 EDT
Reply-To:     Helen McLean <HLMCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
From:         Helen McLean <HLMCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CUNY systems unavailability 8/15/92

All CUNY nodes (CUNYVM, CUNYVMV2, CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU, and CUNYJES3) will
be unavailable Saturday, August 15, 1992, between 7:00am and 6:00pm
(Eastern Daylight Time) due maintenance of cooling system.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:45:11 SET
Reply-To:     Paolo Moroni <MORONI@CERNVM.BITNET>
From:         Paolo Moroni <MORONI@CERNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CEARN service interruption

   The CEARN VM/XA system will be down tomorrow (Thursday, August 13th) from
7,30 to about 8,30 a.m. for hardware and system maintenance. I apologise
for any problem this might cause. Regards,
                                                      Paolo Moroni
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:20:00 MET
Reply-To:     "SARA Network Information Centre" <NIC@SARA.NL>
From:         "SARA Network Information Centre" <NIC@SARA.NL>
Subject:      TICKET [.sara-cern]920820-1 OPEN
Comments: To: eot@ebone.net, ic@sara.nl, netmaster@surfnet.nl,
              saranet@sara.nl, sn-ipman@nic.surfnet.nl, ripe-op@ripe.net

Ticket Number: [.sara-cern]920820-1  Ticket Status:   open
Ticket Type:   unscheduled           Ticket Source:   SARA
Ticket Scope:  link                  Site/Line:       amsterdam-EBS1 - CERN
Ticket Owner:  nic@sara.nl           Problem Fixer:   SARA

Ticket Opened: 920820 11:13 CET      Problem Started: 920820 10:45 CET
       Closed: 920820 11:13                    Ended: 920820 11:05 CET


Problem Description:

        Due to a partial power failure here at SARA the IDNX on the line
        Amsterdam-EBS1 <-> CERN went down for about 20 minutes.

        Problem seems to be solved now.


Affected:
        IP traffic between northern and southern Europe and USA.
        Also affected: EARN traffic.

Actions:

        Fix onpower supply

Time to fix:

Fix:
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X-Acknowledge-To: <Z00ZER01@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.linkfail
Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:34:39 MEZ
Reply-To:     Zettl Friedrich <Z00ZER01@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>
From:         Zettl Friedrich <Z00ZER01@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>
Subject:      AWIUNI11 service interruption

Due to system maintenance, AWIUNI11
will be down the 20/08/92 from 06:00 to 07:00 (local time).
Other nodes isolated: AWIUNI01, AWIWUW11, AWITUW64, AWIIAE21,
                      AWIBOK01, AWIRAP, UNIDO1.

Sorry for any inconveniences.   F. ZETTL
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:41:11 EDT
Reply-To:     CHOPLIN@FRUTRS51
From:         Herve CHOPLIN - UNIVERSITE FRANCOIS RABELAIS - TOURS
              <CHOPLIN@FRUTRS51.BITNET>
Subject:      FRUTRS51 unavailable

The End-node FRUTRS51 shoud be UNAVAILABLE

FROM 20-AUG-1992 18H00 UTC TO 7-SEP-1992 10H00 UTC

Vacations at University Francois Rabelais TOURS - FRANCE

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Herve CHOPLIN (System Manager and Node Administrator)
UNIVERSITY FRANCOIS RABELAIS
Computing Center (Bat. D)
Parc de Grandmont
37200 TOURS  FRANCE
_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.
Phone:    (33).47.36.69.03
E-mail: EARN/BITNET:         CHOPLIN@FRUTRS51.BITNET
        X400:                C=FR;AD=ATLAS;PR=UNIV-TOURS;S=CHOPLIN
        INTERNET:            CHOPLIN@UNIV-TOURS.FR
        VMS PSI_MAIL:        PSI%(2080)3708047411::CHOPLIN
        IXI VMS PSI_MAIL:    PSI%2043083016::CHOPLIN
        VMS DecNet (EDUnet): RABLAI::CHOPLIN or 51410::CHOPLIN (node 50.210)
Fax   :   (33).47.36.69.02
****************************************************************************
     LA TOURAINE, JARDIN DE FRANCE - THE TOURAINE, GARDEN OF FRANCE
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From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.linkfail
Subject: WKUVX1 power failure---"We're feeling better now"
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:02:47 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

WKUVX1 experienced a series of power failures that effectively kept
the system down from 08/11/92 until 08/14/92.  All power has since
been restored and the system is catching up with mail and file server
inquiries.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:59:46 SST
Reply-To:     Chandra Liem <ccecl@NUSCC.NUS.SG>
From:         Chandra Liem <ccecl@NUSCC.NUS.SG>
Subject:      NUSVM down from Sat 15 Aug 92 to Mon 17 Aug 92
Comments: To: linkfail%bitnic.BITNET@nusvm.nus.sg
Comments: cc: Bob Fowles 814-865-4774 <RBF@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>

NUSVM will be down from Sat 15 Aug 92 at 4pm (local time) to 9am on Mon
17 Aug 92 9am for air-con maintenance.  Affected nodes are NUS3090,
NUSDISCS, NUSEEV, NTUVAX, NTIVAX, ITIVAX, UTMJB and SG domain.  Any
inconvenience caused is regretted.

--
Chandra, Computer Centre, National University of Singapore,  Tel: (65) 772-2527
Bitnet: ccecl@nusvm,  Internet: ccecl@nuscc.nus.sg,  Fax: (65) 772-0198
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X-VMS-To: @[NIC.TICKET]sara-cern
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.linkfail
Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:11:00 MET
Reply-To:     "SARA Network Information Centre" <NIC@SARA.NL>
From:         "SARA Network Information Centre" <NIC@SARA.NL>
Subject:      TICKET [.sara-cern]920821-1 OPEN
Comments: To: eot@ebone.net, ic@sara.nl, netmaster@surfnet.nl,
              saranet@sara.nl, sn-ipman@nic.surfnet.nl, ripe-op@ripe.net

Ticket Number: [.sara-cern]920821-1  Ticket Status:   open
Ticket Type:   unscheduled           Ticket Source:   SARA
Ticket Scope:  link                  Site/Line:       Amsterdam-EBS1
Ticket Owner:  nic@sara.nl           Problem Fixer:   SARA

Ticket Opened: 920821 18:06 CET      Problem Started: 920821 18:00 CET
       Closed:                                 Ended:


Problem Description:
        Due to some serious problems with the power supply, the international
        services at SARA (Amsterdam-EBS1) will be interrupted for 2 short
        periods (aprox. 3 minutes).

Affected:
        IP traffic between northern and southern Europe and USA.
        Also affected: EARN traffic.

Actions:
        Power supply will be fixed.

Time to fix:
        aprox. 2 hours

Fix:
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Organization: Temple University -- Academic Computer Services
X-Acknowledge-To: <STAN@vm.temple.edu>
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:13:18 EDT
Reply-To:     Stan Horwitz <STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
From:         Stan Horwitz <STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject:      Templevm down today 14:30-16:30EST

We will be down for two hours today to install new equipment. Thanks.

 Stan Horwitz   Internet: STAN @ VM.TEMPLE.EDU  Bitnet: STAN @ TEMPLEVM

 Temple University's Sr. Mainframe Consultant; Manager of the Help-Net
 and Suggest lists; Listserv Postmaster; and in need of a vacation!

 Standard disclaimers apply. One of these days I will make this sig file
 look much nicer.
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Organization: The American University
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.linkfail
Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:27:21 EDT
Reply-To:     Jim McIntosh <JIM@AMERICAN.EDU>
From:         Jim McIntosh <JIM@AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject:      American University Down 8/16
Comments: To: Mark Bandak <MARK@MONTCOLA.BITNET>,
              "James R. Fisher" <JFISHER@USGSRESV.BITNET>,
              Tracy Holt <HOLT@GMUVAX.BITNET>,
              Byron Tyer <TYER@UDCVM.BITNET>,
              "Hakeem P. Fahm" <FAHM@UDCVM.BITNET>,
              Carl Whitman <WHITMAN@WRLCVM.BITNET>,
              SURAnet NOC <noc@sura.net>,
              Valdis Kletnieks <VALDIS@VTVM1.BITNET>,
              Joe McMahon <XRJDM@SCFVM.BITNET>,
              Mike Karolchik <U6183@WVNVM.BITNET>,
              Wash_DC Relay Mailing List <DCRLY-L@american.edu>

All computer systems at The American University are scheduled to be down
Sunday morning, August sixteenth from 7:30 am until 2:30 pm for yet more
electrical power work on the campus.

Systems affected:            All including VM/ESA (CMS), MVS/ESA and,
                             since the router will be also losing power,
                             all Internet connections to the campus.

BitNet nodes affected:       AUVM, GMUVAX, MONTCOLA, MONTCOLB, MONTCOLC,
                             USGSRESV and WRLCVM.

Jim McIntosh (jim@american.edu)
The American University
Washington DC 20016-8019 USA
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:58:26 CDT
Reply-To:     David Boyes <DBOYES@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
From:         David Boyes <DBOYES@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      RICEVM1 down 0400-0600 CST 8/19/1992
Comments: To: pits@princeton.edu, linkfail@bitnic.educom.edu,
              txbitnet%utdallas.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu

ricevm1 will be off the air from 4 to 6 am tomorrow morning (8/19) to
complete some I/O work. Hopefully, this will be the last time for a
while.

Affected nodes: all nodes in Texas, Louisiana
                all nodes in Mexico
                all nodes behind TAUNIVM
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:52:35 SET
Reply-To:     Paolo Moroni <MORONI@CERNVM.BITNET>
From:         Paolo Moroni <MORONI@CERNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CEARN service interruption

   Yesterday's maintenance on CEARN was successful, but the scheduled down
time was not enough to complete all the planned work. Therefore another
short service interruption will take place tomorrow (Saturday, 15th
August) from 8,30 to 9,30 a.m.. I apologize for any inconvenience.
                                                 Paolo Moroni
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Original_To:  JNET%"linkfail@bitnic"
Original_cc:  HOLT
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:52:00 EST
Reply-To:     "Tracy S. Holt" <HOLT@GMUVAX.BITNET>
From:         "Tracy S. Holt" <HOLT@GMUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      USGSRESV is unreachable

Due to a circuit/modem problem, the U.S. Geological Survey in Reston,
Virginia has been unreachable since 8/17/92. People at this site (GMU)
and USGS are working on the problem. In the meantime, all mail and/or
files for USGSRESV are being queued at GMUVAX.

Tracy S. Holt
George Mason University
Computer Systems Engineering
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:37:48 -0400
From:         RJZ@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      unique variance equality test

In a regression model where y = x1 x2, is there a method for testing
if the unique variance in Y accounted for by X1 is equal to the
unique variance in Y accounted for by X2?  I considered simply
producing the ratio of the larger variance to the smaller variance
and calling it F with 1,1 degrees of freedom.  I'd never heard of
an F with 1,1 degrees of freedom, but I checked my table, and there
it was.  For alpha=.05, F=161.  This would not seem to be a very
powerful approach, and I haven't bothered to think it through to
consider if it would even be appropriate.  Is there an appropriate
and powerful method for doing this?  Thanks,


Bob Zambarano                         | "Success is the greatest liar"
Statistical and Mathematical Services |
University of Texas@Austin  78712     |                 Nietzsche
rjz@utxvm.bitnet                      |
ccbe001@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu           |
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:55:12 PST
From:         Jeff Borchers <borcherj@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      offensive 3
X-To:         SALBOD1@PACEVM.BITNET, STAT-L@MCGILL1.BITNET

          ...ofensive messages are like bumper stickers: You can
          ignore them 'til they go away, you can harp about them
          thereby further empowering their message (and clogging the
          airwaves), or you can rear-end the sonnovabitch!
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:05:32 IST
From:         * PF03 UNDEFINED <SHABTAY@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      mail off

set mail off
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:36:00 EST
From:         SAMUEL@IUBACS.BITNET
Subject:      request for information

Hello:

I am searching for some references/information regarding present/future
trends in statistical computing. I wonder anyone out there has
written/presented any papers, or has come across any articles which
address this issue. What I am interested in is basically a look at
the current practices in the field and some predictions for the
next 5 to 7 years in terms of the computing practices, software features,
etc. The intent is basically for administrative decision and user support.

Thanks in advance for information you may provide.

--John Samuel, Indiana Univ., Bloomington, IN.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:04:04 CST
From:         BIOM030@UNLVM.BITNET

 PLEASE PUT MY ACCOUNT NUMBER ON YOUR LIST.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:21:00 EDT
From:         "Philip Gallagher,(919)966-7275" <UPHILG@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Another stat text for non-statisticians
X-To:         Meredith_Warshaw@FRANKSTON.COM, stat-l@MCGILL1.BITNET

Meredith_Warshaw@FRANKSTON.COM wrote, in part,

> Last week I sent out the following message: "A surgeon (actually, my
> step-brother) has requested that I recommend an easy, preferably short, intro
> to medical stats.  Basically, he wants to understands t-tests, chi-squares,
> and lifetables so he can read research literature.  Does anyone out there
> have any recommendations?".

I wish to add to the list of suggestions which she accumulated and sent
out to the list today.

    In particular, for someone like a surgeon who is not likely
    to have to DO statistics (for he/she can easily afford to pay
    a proper professional to do the actual work), I wish to recommend

    William L. Hays, Statistics, Fourth Edition, Holt, Rinehart, &
    Winston, 1988.

    Hays writes in " ... an attempt to give the elements of modern
    statistics in a relatively nonmathematical form, but in somewhat
    more detail than is customary in texts designed for psychologists,
    and with considerably more emphasis on the theoretical rather than
    than the applied aspects of the subject.  It is designed as a text
    for at least an intermediate level of difficulty. ..."

    Hayes gives a fine exposition of distributions (normal, chi-square,
    t, F) and their relationships, of expectations, etc., form the point
    of view of the professional statistician, not that of the hapless
    non-statistician struggling to find the right equation into which
    to pour some numbers.  I find that any of my clients who have
    mastered Hays can much more readily comprehend the theoretical
    niceties which permeate virtually any analysis of real, messy
    data;  it makes my job much easier and prepares them much better
    to be able to defend their own papers at the meetings.  I'm not
    terribly upset that my (say) surgeon friends are not doing the messy
    details of the analyses that frequently require the advice of
    five or six PhD statisticians and thre or four statistical
    computing pros to get through.  If they but understand the
    principles of WHY we had to work so hard to produce one little
    p-value and one sentence for the results section, then I'm better
    satisfied;  I think Hays helps them a great deal with that.


               Phil Gallagher
               uphilg@unc
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:42:00 CT
From:         BSAB604@UTXVM.BITNET

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