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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game (was re: psychological)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:10:34 EDT

In article <1992Jul23.162814.26437@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

>On the very interesting question of Stephen King's female characters,
>I certainly would agree that Bobbie Anderson (_Tommyknockers_) is the
>most obvious counterexample--since she's fully established as a single
>woman and an author of Westerns.  The revised version of _The_Stand_
>also offers a richer view of Frannie Goldsmith: the added scene between
>Frannie and her mother is one of my favorites in *all* of Stephen King,
>and it's a perfect complement to the lyrical sequence describing
>Frannie's burial of her father.  And what about the lesbian warrior-
>woman character in _The_Stand_--Dayna something?  She may not have a 
>very big part, but she makes the most of it, as the film folks say. :-)
>

    I agree with you about the added scenes in _The Stand_. They do
    flesh Frannie out in a much-needed way. Without them, she comes
    across as a very clinging person.  Although she stands up to Jess
    early in the book, for the rest of the novel she just follows, first
    Harold, then Stu. 

    I had forgotten about Dayna Jurgens.  But she brings up another
    criticsm I have heard about King -- that his female characters
    are often just male characters with different sexual equipment.
    Dayna sort of struck me that way -- she's not really fleshed out
    as a woman, per se.  But I don't find it a serious flaw.


>We also haven't mentioned Annie Wilkes as another character who is
>far more complicated than just a "bitch-goddess from Hell."  (Stephen
>King always portrays his writing as much cruder than it really is,
>so you have to take things like his comments in _Bare_Bones_ with a
>grain of salt.)  Annie has a history, a personality, and a career.
>Her psychological *presence* in _Misery_ is so much more powerful
>than Paul Sheldon's, it's amazing...

	I have read (can't remember where -- some book of essays
	about horror) criticisms of Annie and _Misery_ that claim
	it's an anti-woman book, filled with castration anxiety
	and other Freud-babble. Did anyone find it particulary
	misogynistic? I didn't, but maybe it's just because I'm
	a man.

	The "Newsweek" review of _Gerald's Game_ was similar in
	tone, with the reviewer saying there was a contradiction
	between a book that takes a pro-woman tone while at the
	same time dwelling on the image of a naked woman handcuffed
	to a bed.  Hmmm... I guess "Newsweek" has never heard of
	metaphors, or else doesn't believe Stephen King capable of
	using them.

	
	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University

	"You are an angel headed
	 For a land of sunshine
	 And fortune is smiling upon you"

	 -- Faith No More
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game  ***MILD SPOILER***
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:17:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul28.015717.24457@mach4.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:
>Laurel and other Kingheads, did you know that Roberta Anderson in The
>Tommyknockers was originally supposed to be a man? Check Bare Bones.

No, I didn't. Interesting. I still think King did a good job of writing from
Bobbi's point of view. Comments?
				Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

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laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
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From: rac@calmasd.Prime.COM (Russ Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: "Whispers in the Dark"
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:54:28 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


   I seen a poster for a movie called "Whispers in the Dark", has anyone
   heard whether or not this is a horror movie or not???

   -[Russ.
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:54:19 -0400 
From: Todd Keenan Bowman <tb0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fulci Flix

Lucio Fulci, the grand daddy of Italian horror film (he must be well into his
70s by now)  has made LOTs of films. Here is a list off the top of my head.
An * means I've seen it available on video.

Lucio Fulci Films:

Zombie*
House by the Cemetary*
New York Ripper*
The Gates of Hell*
Demonia* (bootleg only)
Cat in Brain (aka Nightmare Concert)* (bootleg only)
Aenigma* (bootleg only)
Murderrock* (bootleg only)
The Devil's Honey* (bootleg)
Conquest* (a brief forray into swords and sorcery)
Zombie 3 (only partly filmed by Fulci)* (bootleg)

Thats all that I can think, but I know I've missed a few. I know he also did a
bunch of Italian Giallo thrillers in the 70's that I can't remember.

todd
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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: Kings new alias?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:34:45 EDT

In article <1992Jul25.071452.14598@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Roberts) writes:

[discussing whether Robert McCammon is really Steve King] 

>	I still don't know if I believe it or not, but I am entertaining the
>thought half-heartedly...  My idea of this may be due to the memory or due
>to my actual desire to read something by King that day, but alas there was
>nothing new...
>
>	I tend to doubt King would bother with a new alias, but if
>I found out he had one outh there. This would be the name I would guess.
>Oh well.... I suppose I'll read some more of this guy's works and see
>what I think then....


	Nah...McCammon's real. I don't think pseudonymns edit
	anthologies for Horror Writers of America.

	Plus, at the rate McCammon writes...and the rate King
	writes...to get out all those books (both _The Stand_
	and _Swan Song_, which together are about as long as
	the Encyclopedia Brittanica) he would have to write like
	60 pages a day...or else be a machine.

	I mean, I've heard of prolific. But he would have to sleep.

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University

	"We care a lot
	 About you people
	 We care a lot
	 About your guns
	 We care a lot
	 About the wars you fight,
	 Gee that looks like fun!"
	 
	 -- Faith No More
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Is Texas Chainsaw Massacre worth renting
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:09:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Brvq5p.AuM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
>   really cared for it.  This doesn't mean I don't care to see the first two
>   parts.  Should I rent them or not?

I really didn't care for part one or part two, but try part one definitely. I
just thought that the beginning of part one set me up for more than the
movie gave. Part two? Decide after seeing part one because you may decide you
don't want to waste the money.
			Laurel
____________________________________________________________________________
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laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu			 I bid you welcome."
						    -Count Dracula in
						     "Dracula"	  
					
						"There is nothing there
						 in the dark that isn't
						 there in the light---
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Hand with Michael Caine
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:17:03 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <1992Jul20.101801.13975@husc3.harvard.edu>
alvalent@husc9.harvard.edu (Alvin Valentine) writes:

>
>Anyone seen this baby?  I was wondering whether it is completely lame or what.
>
>Thanks
>
>Lee Valentine


Oliver Stone and Michael Caine should be ashamed. Lame is a good word for
this one.
                                                  Randy
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: King's band???
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:56:04 GMT

My impression was that the band was a one-time-only gig: at the
American Booksellers' Convention (?) about 6 weeks ago.  King has
played bass guitar for many years, and has been known to climb
on the stage and join local Maine bands in small clubs.  

Does he still have the radio station?  WZON?  I haven't heard
anything about it in a while.  I'm waitin' for him to write a
horror novel about his radio station--I'm sure he must have some
real characters workin' there as dj's.

					--Fiona
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game (was re: psychological)
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:07:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul26.161034.13600@newstand.syr.edu> dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.162814.26437@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>
>	I have read (can't remember where -- some book of essays
>	about horror) criticisms of Annie and _Misery_ that claim
>	it's an anti-woman book, filled with castration anxiety
>	and other Freud-babble. Did anyone find it particulary
>	misogynistic? I didn't, but maybe it's just because I'm
>	a man.

I don't know if I would necessarily say misogynistic, but I would definitely
say that there is a message that "women are trouble" in "Misery" (Paul's
situation with Annie and the fact that Paul is a divorced man are the
biggies). That's the closest thing I see to what the critcism says. So, unless
I am the only woman who sees it that way, your view is not due to the fact
that you are a man.
			Laurel 

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
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From: brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u)
Subject: Re: SK's Dark Tower series
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 12:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.200039.13688@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.182949.9771@mach4.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:
>>B
>>>	The Overlook is also in the end of The Stand where it is described
>>>almost perfectly.  It's the hotel where Stu stays on his way back.
>>>
>>i Wait a second. The Overlook BURNT. And it's confirmed in MISERY that it
>>didn't just regenerate--it's referred to as a burnt-out shell!
>>
>>Ken
>	Well, this seems pretty pointless to me.  The events in the Stand are
>said to take place in the early to mid-80's.  Besides, tho King's works 
>reference each other, it isn't necessarily true that they all take place in
>the same space-time continuum.  The chronology of the books is almost 
>unfathomable, as the events in the Stand must lie in the future, yet we
>see it is supposed to occur in the 80's, which have passed.  I say it's just
>an interesting bit of trivia and not meant to be analyzed, especially given
>that King worked on most of his books at the same time.
>
>							Ray
 Well, that all depends on which Stand you read. And I look at the Stand as
an exercise in (very frightening) alternate history. The unexpurgated
version is set in the early '90's. Given that the Shining took place in the
late seventies, and given that Misery took place in  the late eighties,
Gadzooks! The Overlook is burnt.

Ken

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From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Dan Simmons (was Re: VC Andrews)
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:40:51 GMT

m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters) writes:

>Not to change the subject here, but any comments on Dan Simmons?  I
>read Song of Kali and thought it was quite good.  Is his Sci-Fi stuff
>any good, and what about other novels?  

Actually, Song of Kali is one of the only Dan Simmons novels I haven't read
(can't find it in the library, and I won't shell out $6.95 for 200 or so
pages).  Here are some thoughts on what I have read:

Carrion Comfort:  A good, if a little overlong, horror novel.  Faintly
  similar to McCammon's horror stuff, but Simmons is a much better
  *writer*.

Summer of Night:  A passable clone of King's "IT".  Nothing special.

Hyperion & The Fall of Hyperion:  These are exceptionally good sci-fi
  novels.  Be warned that Hyperion is really only an intro to the second
  novel;  it works on its own, but doesn't resolve anything.

Dark Visions:  He has 2 or 3 short stories in here, the highlight being
  "Vanni Fucci..." (I think this was one of Simmons' story).  Very sarcastic.

Short Stories:  I believe there is a recent collection of short stories,
  one of which is the novella which became Carrion Comfort.  I haven't read
  this collection yet.


Just when I thought I'd run out of good authors in the horror/scifi genre
(I had stooped as low as Dean Koontz - no flames pls), Simmons comes along.
While I was somewhat disappointed with Summer of Night (one of his more
recent works), I still think he's one of the most interesting new(ish)
authors out there.  Not only can he tell a good story, but the boy can
*write*.  I may even buy Song of Kali :-)
--
Dave!
From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: horror anthologies
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:45:15 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

In article <1992Jul28.074353.12991@rose.com> david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan) writes:

>Try Prime Evil, edited by Douglas Winter.  It's probably the best 
>collection to come along since McCauley's Dark Forces. 

>David Morrell (who wrote the collection's best piece IMHO), 


	
	That story by Morrell, "Blue is for Anguish, Orange for
	Insanity" is great, one of my all-time favorites. The
	books is worth it just for that. 

	Darin Powell
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From: rueb@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Christopher J. Rueb)
Subject: testing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:32:28 GMT

 TEST>>>>>
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Biography: H.P. Lovecraft
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:13:05 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

KSNAVELY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

> Many years ago I remember reading the biography of H.P. (Howard Philip)
> Lovecraft. Unfortunately, I don't recall the authors' name.

Too bad.  I'd be curious to see if Poe's life were misrepresented, as well.

> They both had mental health problems that were reflected in their careers and
> personnal relationships.

Find me a writer who does *not* have "mental health problems".  Find me a
*human being* free of such problems...

HPL certainly had some.  He had an overly protective mother, he was xenophobic,
and he was more comfortable in an idealized 18th Century than in the actual
early 20th.  And of course those problems were reflected in his life.  It's the
same with the rest of us.

> Lovecraft had a drinking problem; Poe had a drinking and drug problem.

Lovecraft's drinking problem was that he couldn't.  He shunned alcohol and
never developed a tolerance for it.  (I forget if this was due to a physical
allergy, but I suspect not.)

> The author felt that both writers best stories were written in a drug or 
> alcoholic stupor. 

Absolutely not.  One or two of Lovecraft's stories came from dreams, mostly
verbatim, but that's as close to fact as that statement comes.  I forget
whether Poe would write while intoxicated, but I suspect the power of Poe's
stories comes from conscious rewriting rather than transcriptions of alcoholic
visions.  (Admittedly, I suspect that mostly because this unnamed author is so
wrong regarding Lovecraft, I feel s/he's probably wrong regarding Poe, too.)

> The author related several incidents concerning H.P. He liked to dress up in
> black cloths and go for long walks on foggy nights.

He dressed in black because that's what every male wore in the 1920s.  He went
for long walks at night because he enjoyed the atmosphere, but he also went for
long walks on summer afternoons.  He probably avoided foggy nights, because he
was severely allergic to the cold.

> During these walks he liked to sneak up on unsuspecting people and jump out
> of the fog at them. He mentioned that frightening fellow strollers was great
> entertainment. 

He also walked at night because he liked to avoid crowds.  He was usually deep
in thought and oblivious to passers-by.  He probably would have been amused if
his presence startled a fellow stroller, but it Just Wouldn't Do for a
Gentleman to startle someone like that intentionally.

> Good ole' H.P.; Ibet his ghost is still doing this somewhere.

If you want a sign that Lovecraft's ghost is active, walk by a church and see
if the organ is mysteriously playing "Yes, We Have No Bananas".


-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
From: gates@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Bill Gates)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:31:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: alt.horror


>	When the son was run over by the truck, and when his
>	father went to the graveyard and dug him up, those were
>	very unsettling moments. My son was about the same age
>	at the time, and that might have been what made it seem
>	so real to me, but I could almost feel it happening.
>	I liked the ending, dark as it was. Much better than, say,
>	a Dean R. Koontz book, where the ending is almost always
>	happy.

Have you read the book?  The book does a much better job at character
development, so that when the truck scene does occur, it is absolutely
gut-wrenching.  I too have a son that was about that age when I read the
book, and I cried.

In fact, I thought Pet Sematery, while one of the better screen adaptations
of a SK book, was still lousy with respect to the book itself.  I thought
SK did a super job of making us warm up to the family, and the old man and
his wife.  The character development was excellent.  In the movie, both the
mom and the dad seemed plastic, almost unfeeling, compared to the same
characters in the book.

And the movie ending was a bit contrived.

Bill
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Hellraiser III?
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:17:33 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <9207211916.AA22017@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
Liz%Eng%Banyan@HIPPO.BANYAN.COM writes:

>Rumor has it this is due out July 31.  I have seen no previews.  Anybody know 
>if it's still coming out?
>
>-liz
>lizb@banyan.com


I haven't seen any promos for it in the San Diego/Los Angeles area.
Wasn't it due in late August??

                                             Randy
From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Test...ignore
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:59:56 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada


 Just a test.


-- 
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rauser@sfu.ca           "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional 
WNI                        outlaws - we do this for a living."
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From: PETERC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Peter Correnty)
Subject: Re: Fulci Flix
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:38:31 EDT

In article <sePgUPu00WB4MNC55E@andrew.cmu.edu>
Todd Keenan Bowman <tb0o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>Lucio Fulci Films:
>
>Zombie*
>House by the Cemetary*
>New York Ripper*
>The Gates of Hell*
>Demonia* (bootleg only)
>Cat in Brain (aka Nightmare Concert)* (bootleg only)
>Aenigma* (bootleg only)
>Murderrock* (bootleg only)
>The Devil's Honey* (bootleg)
>Conquest* (a brief forray into swords and sorcery)
>Zombie 3 (only partly filmed by Fulci)* (bootleg)
>
>Thats all that I can think, but I know I've missed a few. I know he also did a
>bunch of Italian Giallo thrillers in the 70's that I can't remember.
>
DEMONIA, AENIGMA, THE DEVIL'S HONEY, and ZOMBIE 3 are available on video
(not bootleg) as well.  ... And the quality is excellent.  THE DEVIL'S
HONEY also palys on Cinemax frequently under the title DANGEROUS
OBSESSION, and it contains more footage than THE DEVIL'S HONEY!
 
You can add to the list ...
 
THE BEYOND (uncut version of 7 DOORS OF DEATH) *
THE BLACK CAT
WOMAN IN A LIZARD'S SKIN *
THE PSYCHIC *
DON'T TORTURE THE DUCKLING
 
Pete Correnty
 
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From: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Subject: Re: Robert Macammond (sp??)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:50:00 GMT

In article <92Jul23.024523.19111@acs.ucalgary.ca>, kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe) writes...
> 
>Went to a used book store on the weekend and picked up a few
>Robert Macammond (sorry about the spelling....I know it doesn't
>look right) books.  1...Stinger    2...Swan Song   3...They
>Thirst   4...hmmm..forget the name, but its about some guy that
>changes into a wolf during the war.  I haven't read any of his
>stuff before.  Although I will eventually read these books, any
>comments on the author?? 
> 
My opinion alone but he is up there with the best. The book you were referring
to was The Wolf's Hour. All are good. Bethany's Sin, Night Boat, Usher's
Passing, Blue World, Mine, Boy's Life, Baal. He is great.

> 
> 
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From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_ not inspired by _King in Yellow_
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.213900.3378@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> os360051@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (T. Kurt Bond) writes:

>I'm curious: do many people who read Lovecraft also read things like Burleson's
>study, or S.T. Joshi's _H.P. Lovecraft: Four Decades of Criticism_ (in which
>there is an interesting short article on Lovecraftian Pseudobiblia)?  Or are
>they more likely to have read Phileus P. Sadowsky's "Notes on a Fragment of the
>Necronomicon" and "Further Notes on the Necronomicon" (the later published
>postumously and unfortunately unfinished)?

i've read l. sprague de camp's wonderful biography "h.p. lovecraft: a 
biography", which apparantly can no longer be got for love nor money. though 
i did work in a walden books once and there are people who actually believe 
that thing put out by (is it del rey? maybe) is the actual "necronomocon" 
and that one actually exists and that children are being converted to devil 
worshippers left and right. what a sad state of affairs we have come to.

kc
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From: brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u)
Subject: For Laurel, the avid horror fan
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 02:47:48 GMT

Laurel,

It appears we are about as cut off as the Overlook in mid-January! My mail
to you bounces too! I'll look into it...have you got any alternate
addresses?

(Sorry to all the rest of you for this meaningless post)

Ken

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