HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: st1dr@rosie.uh.edu (Frankfort, David C.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Formatting troubles :(
Date: 24 Jan 1993 22:20 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <C1DD1r.71G@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague) writes...
>Whenever I hit ESC while in the Finder, it locks up and I can'tI seem to have a
>problem with my Finder (and all other S16 programs).  Here's the deal.  If I
>try to format a disk (3.5" or 5.25") my GS yells "ALERT! ALERT!" at me, and
>then locks up - kinda.  I can't activate any windows, but
>I have the Animated Watch INIT running, and it keeps running - forever.  I'm
>assuming it's one of the INITs I have installed, but before I do some lengthy
>troubleshooting, I was wondering if anybody else has/had this probelm.  BTW: it
>doesn't crash if I boot up without INITs/DAs.  I've got a 4MB GS, ROM 01,
>running System 6.
> 
>Here's my */System/System.Setup folder:
> 
> 
>/plague/system/system.setup/      20 files
> 
>name            type  blocks   modified               access
>----            ----  ------   --------               ------
>introplay        tsf       9   21-Dec-88    9:52 AM   rwnd B
>startpic         tsf       1   26-Dec-87    4:57 AM   rwnd B
>finder.view      str     127   14-Jun-92    6:00 AM   rwnd B
>findersounder    str       4    6-May-92   10:15 PM   rwnd B
>cdev.init        tsf       6   14-Jun-89   10:29 AM   rwnd
>aw               str       3   18-Mar-89    1:25 PM   rwnd B
>dtutils3.3       str      77   17-Jan-93    6:47 PM   rwnd B
>finder.data      $C9       1   23-Jan-93    6:56 PM   rwnd B
>gs.spy.2         str      22    2-Apr-91    9:18 PM   rwnd B
^
+----Heres the source of the sound "alert, alert"
>picture.a        pic      65   15-Dec-92    3:35 PM   rwnd B
>resource.mgr     str      24   13-Feb-92    1:00 AM   rwnd
>scrollicons      str       4   21-Jun-92   12:31 AM   rwnd
>sys.resources    p16      52   13-Feb-92    1:00 AM   rwnd
>tool.setup       str      39   13-Feb-92    1:00 AM   rwnd
>ts2              $BC      74   13-Feb-92    1:00 AM   rwnd
>ts3              $BC      82   13-Feb-92    1:00 AM   rwnd
>bidwelcome       bin      90   18-Dec-92    8:44 PM   rwnd B
>introsound       bin      90   21-Dec-88    9:52 AM   rwnd B
>desktracker      str      36    5-Jul-92   12:57 AM   rwnd B
>synthinit        str      12   15-May-92    8:45 PM   rwnd B
> 
>blocks free: 6452    used: 11928  (65%)     total: 18380
> 
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>A closed mouth gathers no feet.  You don't need a weatherman to know which way
>				 the wind blows.
>			kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
	I used to use gs spy.  It however does not want to let my format disks
either so I just inactivated.  Make life easier since I have backups of
everything I have.
********************************************************************************
*David F.	This could be apart of your source code.       Apple II GS     *
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Can GS power a fan?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:09:24 GMT

The 'fan' connector supplies 12v DC; I don't know the polarity off hand.  
You'd probably be batter off using an external fan, since an internal one off
the fan connector can increase the stress on the power supply and cause noise
in the audio circuitry.


-- 
        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
 "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will." - Neil Peart
From: cb408@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Reames)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: AW to Microsoft: still having problems
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:33:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



 > Why don't you copy the files onto a HFS formatted disk?  Then you can
 > try to open the files directly in Works.  I'm not sure if Works has an
 > AW translator, but MacWrite II does have one.  Good luck!
-- 
That's the problem.  When I format a Mac disk on the LC2 the the GS (with HFS
on it) won't recognize it.  When I initialize a disk with HFS from the GS- then
the Mac won't regognize that!
I agree that the eaiest thing would be to just the 'drag' the AW from the
5.25" floppy to the Mac disk.  But when I do that the LC2 still won't 
recognize the disk and wants to initialize it.
I've run out of ideas.  AARRRRRRRRRRGHH!!!
-- 
Ron Reames.............reames@sendit.nodak.edu
----------------------------------------------Jesus is Lord!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
Subject: Imagewriter.CL driver
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:21:53 GMT

Well, I've had the Imagewriter.CL printer driver sitting
on my hard drive since I installed the AWGS v 1.1 upgrade
years ago.  At the time, it was supposedly superior to the
driver supplied with the GS system software.  My question
is: Do I still need this driver around? I have been using the
driver supplied with Sys 5.0.X and now Sys 6.0.  Our there 
still any benefits of using this older driver?

Paul Schultz
schultp@wl.com

-- 
===============================
Internet: schultp@pd-dom.wl.com
===============================

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: failed posts
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:32:39 GMT


Zen and The Art of The Internet is copyrighted by Brendon Kehoe, but
permission is granted to pass it around if it remains intact.

The HitchHicker's Guide to the Internet, OTOH, isn't copyrighted. It's been
compiled by Ed Krol, and rather than updating it, he expanded it and
published it as a book..."The Whole Internet" by O'Reilly and Associates.

As was mentioned the other day, they can both be found bY FTP'ing into
ftp.uu.net. They are in /doc/internet.

It's kijnda funny, but a lot of us who use the net for c.s.a2 and email and
only tapping into a tiny portion of it. Reading those 2 documents, along
with the Apple II FAQ, gives you lots of information about some of the stuff
that's available on the net and how to access it.

Joe Kohn
From: seah@ee.rochester.edu (David Seah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: IBM Nulib 3.24 now at cco
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:52:55 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

Compiled Nulib 3.24 with Borland C++ 3.1.  The MS-DOS executable and docs are
now at cco.caltech.edu in pub/apple2/uploads.
-- 
Dave Seah (seah@ee.rochester.edu, AFCDaveS@aol.com)
From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: TurboREZ and Avatar
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:39:21 GMT

TurboRez: The last I heard, it was just about ready to be released.  In
fact, I believe information for programmers is already available.  The
board is undergoing some final modifications before release.

Avatar is still a going project.  A prototype machine is expected to be
finished sometime this spring.

- Eric S.

--
Eric D. Shepherd                   | Apple II Alliance Charter Member
InterNet: uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  |           ACM Member
FidoNet:  1:206/2713 Eric Shepherd | Programming Law #1: "When in
AOL:      Sheppy                   | doubt, rewrite from scratch."
From: Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:16:22 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Western design chip
Organization: IBM Personal Computer Co. - PS/1 Development
Disclaimer: This posting represents my views, not necessarily IBM's.
News-Software: UReply 3.0
            <b7n3j3

In <b7n3j3> Kevin Boyle writes:
>Applied Engineering no longer sells the fast PAL kits.  You _might_ be able
>to get one from one of the mail order companies (try LRO first).

No, LRO is out too.  I had my name on order and I _think_ LRO messed it
up.  I kept asking them what the status was and was told that AE was
sending in its last 7 PALs ever and that I was high enough up on the list
that I'd be getting it.  Well, I later read in GEnie, that someone else
was told this and that LRO accidently skipped some people on the top
of the list and sent the chips to the wrong people (he said he heard this
from LRO).  When I called LRO, the guy (John Hiller) denied it and said
AE only sent 3 (or 4) and that I was not high enough up to get those.
I was pissed, so I chewed him out (he didn't deserve it unless he was
lying), but I have heard other horror stories about LRO, so that was just
more fuel for my fire.  (And why would the guy on GEnie make that up?)
Sooooo, if anyone does know of another place, please tell me.  I kinda
lost interest when I realized I could only go from 7 to 10MHz.  I doubt
I have the 'new' TWGS, as I bought mine fairly early.

Pauley
GEnie: P.Benson1
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Can't find .lzh and .lha MOD Extractors
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:18:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun Jan 24 93 at 02:39:55 (EST)

> From: scratchy.caltech.edu!nathan (Nathan Mates)
>    I've just downloaded a bunch of MODS from wuarchive.wustl.edu,
> but GSHK can't handle them. They have a suffin of .lzh or .lha,
> so I don't know their format. Is there a program out there that can
> uncompress these files, and where can I find it?

Use LHExtract not GSHK. It is on one of the ftp sites I'm sure.

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From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:  TrueType fonts
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:49:13 GMT
Organization: The Internet

There is a product from WestCode, called "Pointless" which lets you
use TT fonts directly on the GS.

Marc Wolfgram
AOL: M Wolfgram   GEnie: M.WOLFGRAM2   inet: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com
There are two ways to write bug-free code and only the third one works!
From: schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: TrueType fonts
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:18:06 GMT
Reply-To: schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantic.cps.msu.edu
Originator: schwarts@atlantic.cps.msu.edu

Is there a way to convert TrueType fonts to use on a GS??


-- 
Steven Eric Schwartz            "It's not safe out here. It's wonderous, with
(schwarts@cps.msu.edu)           treasures to satiate desires both subtle and
125 East Wilson Hall, MSU        gross.  But it's not for the timid."
East Lansing, Michigan  48825                           - Q, "Q Who"
From: ST2975@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:problems with binscii
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:28:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet

After exec'ing binscii.exe, you should have a system file bootable
by ProDOS.  Using basic.system, use the smart run command:

-binscii

and it should load and run.

Andy Werner
st2975@siucvmb.siu.edu
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Shadow Ram
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:24:18 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <uerics.727569006@mcl> uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) writes:
>QuickDraw II, for quite some time now, grabs $01/2000 if it can get it.
>[...]

That's true *if* the application sets the QDStartUp or StartUpTools bit,
-requesting- that the system use the $01/2000 memory if it is available.

Also, CloseView allocates the $01/2000 area if it's installed.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: GS+AFP Unix server
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:50:40 GMT

In article <1jphj3INNcfg@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes) writes:

[ ]
>
>So, are you offering to buy me a Mac?  Sorry Phil, but the solution of
>"buy a Mac to do the routing for you" just doesn't wash for most of us.

You've taken it the wrong way. We were discussing medium sized organizations.
For individuals the issues are different. 
 
By the way, you don't need a Mac. A PC, NeXT, Amiga will do!! The issue is
transferring Appletalk packets into TCP/IP ones and vice versa. The Amiga is
pushing  it in terms of plug and play, but the Mac and NeXT are plug and
play.
 
And no I do not think you should have to buy a Mac...
 
Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Don't clean drives!! (was Re: Problems Detected with System 6)
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:37:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.165942.10473@zip.eecs.umich.edu> grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.150843.18453@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mark@pokey.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning) writes:
> >
> >Since I clean the drives every month I didn't think the disk drives were
> >dirty but I cleaned them anyway.  No visible dirt - maybe microscopic? ;)
> 
> Ack!  Don't "clean" your 3.5" drives.  They rarely ever need it, if
> ever.  Even cleaning them once a year is probably too much.

Agreed!  I've never cleaned mine (since mid '87) and it is still
working fine.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: DeskJet 500 TO GS--Help!!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:55:34 GMT

In article <C1A6yG.H3I@vcd.hp.com> Mitchell McKinnon <mitchm@vcd.hp.com> writes:

[ ]
>
>The HP DeskJet 500 printer contains firmware which limits its use
>strictly to DOS systems (RSXXX and Centronics I/O).  The HP DeskWriter
>printers are designed for the MAC world.  To provide both environment
>capabilities in the same printer would make the printer more expensive.
>I'm not sure, but you can check with an HP dealer as to the availability
>of DOS -> MAC  (DeskJet -> DeskWriter) conversion kits.

I've often wondered about the Deskjet/DeskWriter issue. Since the DeskWriter
has Appletalk, why not just have a Windows' driver for it (and some can 
write one for the GS). It seems silly to have the 2 different lines.
 
In any case you can use a Deskjet with a GS using the Harmonie drivers. It
works great.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: 90taobri@WAVE.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: HyperCard StarTrek Stack
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:10:58 GMT
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility


The following revelation escaped Richard Anthony's lips:
> 
>         My question - Is anyone planning on converting this stack to the
>         GS?  Do you need a mac or do you just need the hypermover program?

    Why bother?  It probably isn't half as good as Scott Everts' STNG
stacks for HyperStudio.  He already has an extremely well-done set with
colour graphics, digitized photos of the cast, voice and sound samples
and even an animated sequence.  All the direct Mac->GS conversions I've
seen were very poorly done.

    Anyone know when Scott last updated his STNG stacks?

--
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-- Preferred: taob@r-node.pci.on.ca (no mail over 15K please!!!)
-- Free Plug: =MuGS 2.0=, the only   """"""""""""""""""""""""""
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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-lep.cts.com!nighttripper@cactus.org (Joseph Litherland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wanted
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:27:37 -0600
Organization: The Texas Leprechaun BBS, Austin, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I don't know where on the INTERNET they are, however, Disk Witch used to
hang up on my system all the time.  The newer version, 3.1.0. seems to be
doing better.  File-a-Trix 1.3 works fine.

====================================================================
"Life is never enuff!"     - Nighttripper -  "..it's all you get!!!"
====================================================================
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From: jcitro@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU (Joe Citro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Bought a Franklin Ace 1000: Questions..
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:10:35 GMT
Organization: The Internet

te: 21 Jan 93 20:29:47 GMT
>Organization: Pembroke State University
>Subject: Bought a Franklin Ace 1000: Questions..
>Sender: info-apple-request@apple.com
>To: info-apple@apple.com


>     I just bought a Franklin Ace 1000 at a really low price of $10,
>and I'm not familiar with the Apple scene so if anybody could answer
>a few questions like:


>     How are the expansion slots different from a normal apple?
    
   The slots work pretty much the same as the Apple II+ except for the
   expansion slot.  You can't use a memory card that was designed for
   use with Apple's slot 7, however, Applied Engineering did make a
  card that would allow you to increase the memory. Don't remember 
  offhand which one that was.

>     Is it compatible with the apple IIe or IIc or etc?

    It's compatible with an Apple II+


>     Where do I get the manuals for it?


>     Did I pay to much for it?
      
    I don't think so. I used one for a few years and it was a good
    computer.

>     Is Franklin Ace still in business?

     Franklin is still in business...They make those little
    spelling gadgets.  They no longer make the Apple compatible
    computers. They were making IBM compatible for a while.  Don't
    know if they still are.


>     Which slot does the 80 col/memory expansion board go in?
>     (There are 8 slots 0 through 7)

     I believe the 80 col card goes in slot 3.

>     How much memory does in have? (Without the above board)

      64K

>                                 Thanx in advance,

>
                                  ----- Joe

jcitro@cwis.unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.use.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: AppleWorks to AppleWorks GS info
Summary: Subliminal messages: Buy GNO, Apple II Forever, etc :)
Keywords: appleworks, appleworks gs, avoiding headaches
Reply-To: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:28:39 EST

Having been using AppleWorks for years, and wanting to get as much 
software as I possibly can in the GS/OS version (so I can run it under GNO 
:) I've been looking at AppleWorks GS.

I have some pretty gnarly spreadsheets, which I don't want to have to 
rework under AWGS, I don't even want to have to type in all the formulas 
again. Is there a way to get all of my AppleWorks spreadsheet formats, 
layouts, and formulas to read into AWGS? I know it won't read it directly, 
but how much will I actually lose by printing it to the disk as an ASCII 
file, and reading it back into AWGS like that? Are there any programs 
available that will allow me to convert my 8bit spreadsheets to 16bit?

Thanks in advance

 __________________________________________________________________________
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From: 90taobri@WAVE.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Can't find .lzh and .lha MOD Extractors
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:10:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility


The following revelation escaped Nathan Mates's lips:
> 
>    I've just downloaded a bunch of MODS from wuarchive.wustl.edu,
> but GSHK can't handle them. They have a suffin of .lzh or .lha,
> so I don't know their format. Is there a program out there that can
> uncompress these files, and where can I find it?

    You could use LHExt on the GS, but I've had it corrupt the output
file while unpacking.  The best solution would be to download the source
for 'lha' for UNIX and NuLib 3.2.4.  Then you can unLHA, then repack the
MOD's as a ShrinkIt archive on your UNIX box (ie, FAST) before
downloading them.

--
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From: Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 09:27:13 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Paul Benson's email address needed
Organization: IBM Personal Computer Co. - PS/1 Development
Disclaimer: This posting represents my views, not necessarily IBM's.
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <C1DnBn.Aw3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Plague writes:
> I need Paul Benson's email address.  He's the author of rSounder.  If anybody
>can help, please do.

May I help you?

Pauley
GEnie: P.Benson1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: Re: GIF89? (was Re: NASA photos online?)
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:41:12 GMT

Try SuperConvert or Graphics Exchange.
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: TWGS
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:49:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri Jan 22 93 at 00:37:45 (EST)

>      RamFASTs are so problem prone and DONT work with everything.  It's 
> being constantly updated and that's WHY I am NOT buying one.  It might make
> your systems go FAST but I don't want to continually update Rev.C, Rev D, Rev
>  E etc paying 100$ or so every time..  here with the Apple II High Speed
> SCSI,  EVERYTHING works with it.  Even third-party stuff.  ZIPs work with it.
>  TWGS's  should work with it since AE followed APple's guidelines.  ANY SCSI
> device SHOULD work.  RamFAST was last updated because it couldnt read in
> flopticals..  how sad.

SURE AE followed Apple's guidelines! <insert heavy sarcasm> Tell that to my
power supply.

>     I've been to people's houses who have RamFASTs and I can tell you they're
>  only maybe .5 percent faster than my APple II HS SCSI Card..  I'm not
> justifying purchasing one right now just to make it that much faster. And
> ZIPs  are better than TWGS's, IMHO.

You have never run any heavy disk intensive applications then, which is where
the RamFAST shines. I run a BBS (EBBS, which is ProDOS 8 based) and the
RamFast makes WORLD of difference. On my OTHER GS (which also has a RamFAST) I
do occassional programming in Orca/M/C/Pascal. Again, having that RamFAST
helps file access QUITE a bit more .5 percent.
 
And, yes, I do have another computer for comparison purposes. That's the GS I
use at work which is only running the Apple Hi Speed SCSI card. It is
NOTICABLY slower in launching applications and Transproging from application
to application. 
 
I've used caching SCSI controllers almost from the beginning (beginning with
the MultiKache) cause I was NEVER able to get Apple's original SCSI card to
work with ANY of my hard drives. At least the Apple High Speed SCSI does work.

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