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From: dws@cseg03.uark.edu (David W. Summers)
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:51:35 GMT

mirons@ccs.northeastern.edu (Michael A. Irons) writes:


>	Actually Lotus 123 can run under Unix. They did a port for the
>sparc stations that a friend of mine (and an old job of mine) work on.
>He says that they have it at foxboro Co. He also said it costs an arm & a leg
>so it's probably out of anyones price range. Also Lotus would have to be
>talked into believing it would be worth there while to make a Linux version.
>With the stat of the Kernel & GCC, changing so oftern, you'd have a hard case
>to plead.
>
>					Mike Irons
>
>	If you have a Sun, try getting Lotus for that from them.
>
>-- 
>
>                                  Mike Irons;
>                       mirons@Dworkin.CCS.Northeastern.EDU	(School)
>                 mirons%minix1.uucp@MecEng.COE.Northeastern.EDU	(Home)

How about SCO Xenix?  Don't they make a version for that?  If so then you
could just use the Linux XENIX emulator and, PRESTO, be running 
commercial software on your free Unix system!

   - David Summers
   (dws@engr.uark.edu)

-- 
                         "Never under-estimate the bandwidth of a station-wagon
David Summers             full of tapes, hurtling down the highway."
dws@engr.uark.edu         - Tanenbaum, "Computer Networks"
From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0?
Keywords: Advertising
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:31:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <yp_ppnq@lynx.unm.edu> graves@jemez.eece.unm.edu (John Graves) writes:
>It is very easy to "Sell" Linux...(it's free ;) ) everyone I tell would "LOVE"
>to have a copy.  But when I tell them... Just go on the internet to
>???.???.???.?? and download ???Meg... They say "Can I copy yours?"

I was under the impression that a formal distribution was to be set up, and
possibly put on CD-ROM.  As such, I also thought there was going to be a
central location somewhere on earth where one could obtain Linux without
having Internet access.

If my impression is wrong, forgive me.

>When 1.0 comes out, I plan to have both 3 1/2" and 5 1/4" versions available
>at my desk for people to copy.  Including disks with most of the utilities,
>man pages, gcc, X, etc.

I have a number of weirdos here drooling on my laptop (figuratively :) who
would love to use Linux.  They, too, want a "pop-the-disk-in-read-the-docs-
and-fire-it-up" distribution.

>I will "SELL" at least 100 copies ;) 

At least!

>The best way to make Linux "spread like wild fire" is to make it available...

RIGHT!  Now, if some widely read trade rag would write up an accurate article
on Linux, and if there was a way to make it available/known without spending
bazillions of dollars, then we'd be set, right?

>When you tell someone how wonderful Linux is, you should have a copy on disk
>to hand them and say "here... try it..."

Ideally, yeah.

>I don't know if too many computer stores will like posting "FREE UNIX AVAILABLE"
>right next to their versions of SCO, Coh, etc...

Perhaps, but it's worth trying.  I know of several stores in my area that
dabble in IBM stuff, but don't go hog wild.  As such, they don't stock SCO et
al on the shelves; a freeware Unix would be dandy with them. We won't really
know until we try.

>Universities, computer clubs, work environments, etc might be better places
>to post signs.

Universities and work environments, yes. Clubs, no, because most are so set in
their OS with it's applications, it seems as though it'd be pointless to
introduce an entirely new OS.

>Does anyone know someone on the "inside" of PCmag, DrDobb's, or any other PC
>type mag?  DrDobb's did wonders for BSD386 with its articles.  I think PCmag
>should do a 15 page article on Linux ;)...

You could always send Jerry Pournelle a copy of the SLS package.  I bet you'd
get your 15 page article! :)

>...john
>
>--
>John R. Graves, Student              | Net Address: graves@warlock.unm.edu
>University of New Mexico             | Home Phone : (505) 888-0427
>Albuquerque, New Mexico   87131      | Work Phone : (505) 277-3934

--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
talley@acadia.kodak.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cummings@tiger1.prime.com (Kevin J. Cummings)
Subject: Re: Linux asks, is BYTE dead?
Keywords: UNIX
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.193108.12410@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
> Either BYTE has sold out or is to brain dead to use the internet. Fortunitly
> as the net grows BYTE will regret not keeping up with whats really going on
> in the world.

Why should BYTE know anything about the Internet?  They run BIX as a commericial
service, and make money from it.  They think that Compuserve is their primary
competition (with Prodigy a distant second).  Non-commericial services don't
exist as far as they are concerned!  It's the same logic they use to decide
what kind of articles to publish.  Pretty braindead if you ask me (I know,
noone asked me!).

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Framingham, Mass.                       500 Old Connecticut Path
					Framingham, Mass.
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From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Great marketing (Was Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:30:13 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <KETIL.92Sep30154405@linerle.ii.uib.no> ketil@ii.uib.no writes:
>In article <3747@eastman.UUCP> talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley) writes:
>
>   [345]86 platforms will die out?  No, I disagree.  DOS, maybe, but not the
>   hardware.
>
>Oh, they will.  Or should...the chips are archaic, I'd swap them for

Foo.  Yeah, of course they'll *eventualy* die off.  SPARCstation 10's will
seem sluggish and die off eventually, too, but that's not my point.  They're
not going anywhere in the immediate future.  I should have been more clear...
sorry.

>I don't think I'd run UNIX on a 286 (hell, I wouldn't run *anything*
>on a 286.. :-) (no flames please, I know a small macine is right sometimes

I dunno.  I'd use a 286 to control a refridgerator, but that's about it. All
I meant was that it's possible to run Unix on a really small, stupid, slow
little processor (what was Unix born on again?). How many systems does VMS run
on that weren't made by DEC?

>  As I said before, all Microsoft *really* has is the marketing team from hell
>
>The worst thing is, they don't really need marketing at all.  Bill
>Gates only have to cough a little and have an occasional dream, and
>the whole computer press as well as the bean counters get that silly
>smile on their faces...

This is as a result of his becoming a very wealthy, powerful person brought
on by his ability to sell.  As such, his marketing team is top notch.

> = Ketil Malde                     In real life:  ketil@ii.uib.no =

--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
talley@acadia.kodak.com
From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Date: 30 Sep 1992 23:13:52 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

c-amb@math.utah.edu (Mark B. Alston) writes:

>I TRIED TO STAY QUIET!!! 

>PLEASE take this somewhere else!!!!
>This has NOTHING to do with linux and frankly many of us are sick of it.

>ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>--
>--------------------------------------------------------
>  Mark Alston        

Dude, calm down just a tad. Most people just use the kill file part of their
newsreader if they want to aviod some topics. I suggest YOU learn how.....

A lot of people read this newsgroup that have very little clue what linux is
or how to use it, but are interested just the same. If topics come up that
they feel they need answered, just ignore them if they dont interest you. 
Screaming about it will only
make people with real questions not ask them, as they will feel that they
will get the same treatment. I don't know how many "many of us" is, but I for
one can put up with the side topics if it will get more people involved in
learning how to use linux.

James
From: daj+@CMU.EDU (Demian A. Johnston)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Latest Version (Will it work for me?)
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:09:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4emRxWS00WBK83y24d
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hey guys,
    I haven't have linux around since .95  I see a lot has changed.  
I don't have a et4000 chip.  Can I run X with my ATI VgaWonder 512k?
I do have the serial mouse, 386, Plenty of Disk. How about TCP/IP..  Any
chance someone can code for a Token Ring Driver?  Probably not..  


    Anyway, please tell me about X for my ATI VGA Wonder and How the
best way to get the current version is?

    (I remember getting a Boot disk, root disk and mtools and Rawrite)

Thanks 

                                                  Demian 
                                              --->  daj+@cmu.edu
                                            ----> dj1l@andrew.cmu.edu
From: steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: C News for Linux
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:28:20 GMT
Organization: Chiral Symmetry Breaking, Inc.

In article <1992Sep25.030123.24385@athena.mit.edu> tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:
>
>   From: steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins)
>   Date: 25 Sep 92 00:20:32 GMT
>
>   >Modern Unixes can generally use the setuid() system call to set the
>   >real and effective user ids to the current effective user id.  In
>   [ ... ]
>   >(and it then invokes relaynews in return).  Can this system do
>   >setuid(geteuidc)) to change the real uid/gid?
                                     ^^^^
>
>   no
>
>This should be "yes"; Linux supports System V with Saved UID's
>functionality for setuid().  (It also supports BSD setreuid() as well.)

Unless you are root, you can't set the REAL uid with this command.

Why c-news wants to do this, I don't know; but believe me, I tried 'yes'
first.  Granted, one could change the code to use BSD's setreuid(), but
I found it just as easy to let c-news handle things its way.
-- 
Steve Robbins  --  steve@nyongwa.cam.org
The World is rather sick and twisted.  Why should I be any different?
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student))
Subject: Re: ps suid- security hole?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:52:17 GMT

Thanks to everyone who responded. Of course answer is
simple: kmem should be owned by it's own group (kmem - I
have mem) and should have 440 perm's (or 640 ?).
Then programs from ps suite are set sGid and everything
is fine.
Problem is I couldn't compile all programs
(some strange parse errors in std include files !) so
I did installation by hand.


			Rafal
-- 
/|| " Numbers exist only in our minds. There is no physical entity that
 ||  that _is_ number 1. If there were, 1 would be in a place of honor 
 ||  in some great museum of science, and past it would file a 
==== steady stream of mathematicians gazing at 1 in wonder and awe. "
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan)
Subject: Re: scsi/inode bit
Organization: The Smelly Ditch
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:44:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.041711.1193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ctne_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Newbold) writes:
-} In <BvBD20.5qA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mopar@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mopar Mike) writes:

-} >   inode bit already free
-} >   or inode bit cleared
-} 
-} >and it will repeat this five or six times then wipe out the partition
-} >on the scsi drive.  It's getting real frustrating because everytime I
-} >get something installed linux wipes out that partition for me  :-)

-} >This thing only happens to my scsi drives.  I've got two partitions on
-} >each drive and the second st225 drive is a linux only drive from which
-} >I mount the scsi partitions onto.

-} I have two SCSI disks off an Adaptec 1542, so I guess it's not the
-} low-level drivers... I sure wish version 2 of the SCSI drivers would
-} get here soon as I'm getting fed up with the constant partition-
-} trashing. My system:

	Me too!.  I just posted about this under something like
``Funky adaptec scsi'' or something close to that.  I've got two drives
on an Adaptec 1540.  All I can say is HELP!  Because I can't do a
thing with linux until I can get my drives to work right.  Somebody,
please help us poor souls...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
``written by a drunken insane pathological liar''        guru@stasi.bradley.edu
From: wyvern@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wyvern)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Xtrek ported for Linux
Summary: used gcc2.2.2d with jump4.1
Keywords: xtrek
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:55:11 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation

I wasn't sure if anyone's already done this, so I "ported" (read: did minominor
touch-ups) Xtrek for Linux. I haven't been able to really test it yet
since I get the 'socket: invalid argument' when trying to run xtrek or xtrekd,
but that's just because my tcpip stuff isn't set up right and I haven't
messed with it since  I don't have an ethernet card anyway. I assume it works.
If you're inclined to believe me, let me know and I'll upload the binaries.
I'm using X11v1.1.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: oyang@cs.monash.edu.au (Kai Shing O'Yang)
Subject: Kernel panic, help!
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:34:42 GMT

Hi there,

	I'm trying to install the mcc-interim 0.97pl4 on a system with
adaptec 1542B connecting to a Wren IV, archive 150 tape and NEC CDrom
CDR-72. Also, there is a seagate st-251 MFM as boot device.
At boot up, it was able to detect the 1542, prompting:
scsi0: Adaptec 1542
Adaptec 1542scsi: 1 hosts
sd0 at scsi0, id0, lun0:
sd1 at scsi0, id2, lun0:
st0 at scsi0, id4, lun0:
scsi: detected 2 SCSI disks 1 tape total
70 00 06 00 00 00 00 02 10 29 00 00
aha1542_queuecommand: Two concurrent queuecommand?
sd1: unsupported sector size 0
scsi: deleting disk entry
Invalid or not present host number 39
kernel panic:
In swapper task  -not syncing
 
then it died

i know it is due to the cdrom so when i removed the cdrom all was fine. However
it is very difficult to remove the drive every time i run linux. is there
any work around so that the kernel just skip pass the cdrom and boot up?

Thanks in advance.

Kai
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'If one believes everything from the book, rather have no book.'
From: michaelw@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Michael Will)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Q: linking stuff for X11 failes at ld - help me please
Keywords: x11, gcc, help
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:21:59 GMT
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg

Hello, I have linux 0.97p6 (hlu-version) and gcc, all workes fine
as long as I do not want to compile something for X11.

Not even linking the precompiled files like xv-2.21.tar.Z or
spider.tar.Z succeedes, all stops like:
# make
gcc -o xv xv.a libjpeg.a libtiff.a -lX11 -lm
ld: No such file or directory for libX11.a
make: *** [xv] Error 1

I have libX11.a in /libs (419k) as well as in /libs/shared (96k)
I have a libX11.1.1 in /lib

What am I doing wrong? I really want to link things as
you can imagine :-)

If you think this is a very stupid question, sorry, email me
then, since I am a beginner :-)

Have a nice day/night, Michael Will from HH92
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: Termcap question
Organization: Borland International
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:46:55 GMT

satishc@microsoft.com (Satish Chittamuru) wrote:
> Basically, Elvis seems to think that one needs to wrap each IC (insert
> character terminal escape) output with a preceding IM (insert mode) and a
> succeeding EI (end insert mode).

This is the correct behavior.  There is a problem with your termcap, NOT
with Elvis.  The termcap manpage specifies that the only time you define
both an insert mode and the insert character sequences if your terminal
needs the insert character sequence output from within the insert mode
(these are rare terminals, but they do exist).  For terminals such as a
vt100 that support both a "normal" insert mode and an insert character
sequence you must choose one or the other to put in the termcap.  It is
usually preferable to specify the insert mode.  Note that it IS legal to
specify the multi-character insert sequence (IC=) in a termcap that has
insert mode or insert character defined.
-- 
Wayne Davison
davison@borland.com
From: s891961@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Peter David Cupit)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:34:13 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

Jim.Corbett@f35.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Corbett) writes:


>Most mags pup their advertizers products, and do not push shareware,
>freeware, PD or other software that do not advertize in the mag.

>Not even mentioning Linux in the article was the last straw for me, I
>was thinking about droping my subscription, and that did it for me!

>I no longer subscribe to BYTE, and do not reccomend it to others
>anymore.

   There has been an issue of Byte entitled 'Public domain powerhouses.'
   In Oct '86.

   I would say that it might be worth just showing Linux to them.
   Perhaps they are not aware of the details yet?

    Peter Cupit.


  s891961@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
  s891961@godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Linux vs. Dos Don't complain fix it :-)
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:16:47 GMT

Instead of complaining that your favorite tool isn't available in Linux get
a few people together and remedy the situation (or pay me to :-).
Don't expect a completely free ride, free software only works if people
contribute time to improving it. If you can't program then consider
contributing the money you save to someone who can program and is in need
of a job.

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From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0? 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:18:35 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

In article <1992Sep29.084430.11868@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> weberj@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de writes:

   In article <BvAxpB.74G@ucunix.san.uc.edu> zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Humberto    Ortiz-Zuazaga) writes:
   >advertizing BSD386 0.1 and Linux 0.96 together for $100.  I think the
   >word is slowly getting out.

   So Linus put in many man-months for free and those people want
   $100 just for copying?

No.  The key word is "advertizing".  It's very expensive.  People who
do not have access to the online world depend on the print world.
It's very expensive to send mashed flattened wood pulp all over.
Guess who pays for it?  The people who don't realize that they can
get lots of software for the cost of downloading it.

-russ <nelson@crynwr.com>  I'm proud to be a humble Quaker!
Crynwr Software            Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
11 Grant St.               315-268-1925 Voice
Potsdam, NY 13676          315-268-9201 FAX
From: oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael O'Reilly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Wierd behavior with 0.98.
Date: 2 Oct 1992 12:55:54 +0800
Organization: Home
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

hodgen@infko.uni-koblenz.de wrote:
: Greets Linuxers!
: 
: Last night I grabbed the 0.98 sources, added the fast scsi patches posted here
: recently and compiled (Jump table 4.1). Rebooted, start up X and go to xterm
: 1. Changed into /usr/src/pbmplus/libtiff, uncompress everything and edit
: Makefile. So far so good, now comes the fun bit. I type make and gcc starts
: compiling tif_fax3.c, lots of disk activity to start with and it trails off
            ^^^^^^^^ If I remember right, this is from xview ?? or something 
like that??

The solution to your problem is to add about 45 megs of swap space...
GCC eats memory like nothing on earth, and 8 megs is NOT enough.

: slowly. I wait and wait, then I think, lets check the process table etc. Haha
: no cursor, no nothing! SOMETHING is eating ALL the CPU. I wait till the disk

When linux runs out of memory, and it has no swap space, it starts throwing
away the program so it can fit the data in. Eventally there is NOTHING that
it can throw away to bring some of the program back in so it locks.

Add some space space. 4 - 8 megs is good for normal usage. 

: acitvity is nil then reboot and try again. Exactly the same thing happens. This
: time (1:20am) I think, maybe it'll come back by morning. Wrong! This morning
: (8:10) it was still locked up. Tonight I'll do it again and see if SHIFT-Scroll
: and CNTL-Scroll work (I forgot them last night - too tired). Also, after booting
: I ran fsck -v /dev/sdc3 (my /usr) and something had written about 15MB worth of
: Zone XXX marked as used but not used" type messages. Any ideas? My hardware

This was most likely the result of your reboot. Just because there is no
disk activity doesn't mean that disk it up to date. The buffers are
only flushed every 30 seconds.

: 
: Wayne Hodgen  | hodgen@infko.uni-koblenz.de | Opinions (c) Me 1991   | Intel

Michael
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
From: talvola@qin.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Talvola)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X386 v2.0 with ET3000 + Logitech Series 9 mouse
Date: 26 Sep 92 11:48:16
Organization: /usr/users/talvola/.organization
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: qin.berkeley.edu


I mailed this to the linux-x11 mailing list, but with no response.  
Hopefully someone can help me.  

Does anybody at all have X386 v2.0 working correctly with an ET3000?  It
sort of works - in that the initial X screen comes up and an xterm pops up,
but then I can't seem to enter any text, and hitting a return scrolls the
screen.  Maybe this means it aborted somewhere, I don't know.

Now, the mouse.  I have a Logitech Series 9, PS/2-Serial Model No. CE9-6MD
mouse.  I tried plugging it into the PS/2 mouse port on my ALR BusinessVEISA
machine, but Linux 0.97-pl5 doesn't seem to recognize it.  So, I plug it into
the serial port.  In Xconfig I have it set as a Microsoft Mouse (set as a
Logitech, I got nowhere), and when X starts, as soon as I touch the mouse it
jumps to the upper left corner.  Please, anyone with this kind of mouse, let
me know how you set it up in Xconfig, please!!!!

Anyway, hopefully someone can help me.  If not, maybe I'll buy a cheap 
ET4000 board, and see if it works better, along with a different mouse maybe.
What 3-button mouses (mice?) are known to work well with X386 on Linux?  
Thanks.

-- ERik

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