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From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
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Subject: Amre should be dropped for the next test!
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:21:26 GMT
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Raman was dropped from the final XI just because he is from the South, 
I tell you.  The same goes for `Pathetic' Raju.  Look at the team they 
selected:

>> Shastri, Amre, Manjrekar, Tendulkar, Azhar, Jadeja, Kapil Dev, More,
>> Prabhakar, Kumble, Shrinath

Not a single player from TN! How much more biased can the selectors
get? And not a single player from states like Assam, Himachal Pradesh,
Kerala, Jammu & Kashmir, Andaman & Nicobar, etc. I tell you they are 
biased, very biased.

I know Amre scored a century and all. But I think he should be
dropped in favor of Raman for the next test so the TN quota
in the team can be filled. And the next step would be to drop
Tendulkar, Manjrekar, More and Kapil Dev and make room for zonal
quotas.

I will be in Madras next week and will be watching the second
test from there. I demand that there be a local guy on the team....

:-) :-)
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Subject: tour schedule
From: <SRN102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:16:39 EST
Organization: Penn State University

could someone post the detailed schedule of INDIA tour in S.A

   thanks
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:00:17 EST
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: First ball dismissal

In article <1992Nov17.144146.10526@schbbs.mot.com>, TUK067@maccvm.corp.mot.com
(David Wheeler) says:
>
>>zorl@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr RK Laubscher) writes:
>
>>...the highlights of this match are Kapil Devs first ball dismissal
>>of Jimmy Cook (first time a batsman has been dismissed first ball of
>>the match on debut)...
>
>This is not the first time that this has happened in a Test match, but
>the second.  On the first occasion, the unfortunate batsman was Chris
>Smith (Hampshire and England).
>
aha, but on that occasion it wasn't the 1st ball of the match and nor was it
the 1st ball of the innings-- it was just the 1st ball smith faced.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: rajagopa@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu (Sundararaman Rajagopal)
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Subject: (none)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 17:45:31 -0600
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Hi!

With the first test match half way thro' here is yet another instant of the
Indian teab being saved by the lower middle order. If it was Kapil and More
in Zimbabwe here it has been More and Prabhakar(with Amre ofcourse) this time.
I am saying Prabhakar here cos' although he scored only 13 runs I am pretty
sure he would have stayed with Amre for about an hour on the third day.

No doubt the Indian team is inexperienced but this has become an alomost
permanent feature in any Indian innings. More, kapil and Prabhakar have time
and again saved India from a total disaster. And on many occasions it has been
left to them totally.

It would be interesting to see the sequence of scores,innings by innings, of
the top order batsmen and the lower order batsmen. Although the top order
batsman have come up with big scores now and then I think consistency wise
(25 -40 runs in an innings) More,Kaps and Prabhakar will be better off or
atleast on par with Azhar,Shastri, Manjrekar and even Tendulkar. After all,
the runs scored in crisis situation is what matters most than scoring a big
century once in say five innings.

More although a bit shabby behind the wickets has made amends with some really
timely innings and so has Prabhakar.Can someone post the scores of some of thesebatsman starting from the Australian series? It should make an interesting 
comparison.

Flames, Discussions welcome!!

Raj.

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From: anam@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anam Magsudul)
Subject: Re: out on 99
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:16:42 GMT

murali@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah) writes:

>Keywords: 

>>	Of course 99 is fairly popular, I think G. Boycott was once
>	99* as an opener when the innings finished.

>	tom
>>
>was Gooch once run out on 99 in W.I. -- can anybody confirm this
>cotah

I think it was againt Australia when Kim Hughes run him out (
while going for the 100th run) form mid-on with a direct throw.

Anam
Depatment of Computing Science
University of Alberat
Edmonton, Canada.
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
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Subject: Imran's career statistics (Test)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:12:25 GMT
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Hi folks:

Here are the career figures for Imran Khan, who recently announced his
"irrevocable" retirement.

       Batting Test career:

_______________________________________________________________________
     vs        Capt.  T    I   NO   R     HS    Avg.  100   50  0's  Ct.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
India           15    23   29  8   1091   135*  51.95  3     3   -    7
            
Australia        8    18   28  5    862   136   37.47  1     5   2    5
            
West Indies      9    18   33  5    775   123   27.67  1     3   2    4
            
England          8    12   17  3    500   118   35.71  1     2   2    6
            
New Zealand      2     7    9  3    308    71   51.33  -     3   -    1
            
Sri Lanka        6    10   10  1    271    93*  30.11  -     2   2    5

_______________________________________________________________________
                48    88  126  25  3,807  136   37.69  6    18   8   28
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Bowling Test Career

_______________________________________________________________________
               Balls    Mdns    Runs    Wkts    Av.   5WI  10WM   Best
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

India          5072     216     2261     94    24.04   6     2    8-60
            
Australia      3494     112     1695     80    21.18   6     1    7-80
            
West Indies    3994     140     1598     64    24.96   3     1    6-63
            
England        2919     116     1158     47    24.63   4     1    7-40
            
New Zealand    1788      73      672     46    14.60   3     1    8-58
            
Sri Lanka      2191      68      874     31    28.19   1     -   5-106

_______________________________________________________________________
              19,458    725     8,258   362    22.81  23     6    8-58   
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Statistics do say a lot for this wonderful allround cricketer, though the
chronological breakup would say more about his gradual recession into the
background as a bowler, and emergence as a frontline batsman. 

-Murali
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From: pdy@sun.soe.clarkson.edu ( Yapa,,,)
Subject: Re: NZ in SL
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:21:04 GMT

From article <1992Nov20.010224.26672@mel.dit.csiro.au>, by amal@mel.dit.csiro.au (Amal De Silva):
> 
> The next possible thing that could happen is that players may get hurt
> accidently. The possibilitiy that this happening is even less. Over 500,000
> people live in colombo and in the last three years three bombs have gone off,
> either a cabinet minister or a miltary person were  the targets. For the vast
> majority of people that live colombo, getting hurt by a bomb is least of their
> worries. I think NZ players have a higher chance getting killed by a motor car
> accident in NZ than accidently being killed by a bomb in colombo.

I think the population in Colombo is now over 1 milliion, and during
the day probably double that amount  moves around.
anyway I agrree with Amal that the risk is minimal.
I was at the Australian games this summer, the security was lax 
( although they checked my bag) at the Oval, and no virtaully
non existenet at the SSC.  I am sure this will be improved in view
of the current situation.  In general  the risk now is much
less than 1986-89.

> 
> than the NZ side also found it difficult. The prospect of being in the sweltering
> heat and high humidity for three days in a row would not be attractive for a
> person who is not used to it. I believe that this also a factor when some of the
> players decided to use the bomb to get out of the tour.
> 
> Amal de Silva
> 
I have a difference in opinion here.  Colombo in NOvember is not

sweltering hot. December is quite comfortable.
Yapa
From: U58582@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Ind Vs SA - 1st Test Question
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:32:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92323.003228U58582
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Did you consider the possibility (knowing the facts) that there's no
rest day to do so?
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From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Re: Chinese bowling
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:48:39 GMT


Thanks to all who posted different definations of chinamen and other deliveries,
to add my two cents to it (may be iam wrong), for LH leg break bowler both armer and
chinamen goes towards leg slip, but armer is usually of lower tajectory and faster in
speed then normal deliveries of that particular bowler, while chinamen is usually similar
in flight and speed as normal leg break deilivries of that particular bowler it just spins
other way and takes batsma(e)n by surprise.

Now my question is about the different (if there are more then 1)techniques of bowling
chinamen? If it is bowled exactly as RH legbreak then how does a bowler disguise
the chinamen? b/c LH legbreak bowler is a finger spinner and RH legbreak bowler is a
wrist spinner, and if i understand it right RH leg break bowler bowls all his deliveries 
with almost the same 'wrist action', thus making it difficult for the batsma(e)n to read
what is coming next.  If LH legbreak bowler bowls legbreak with finger spin and chinamen
with wrist spin then i think it would be much easier for the batsm(a)en to read.

-- 

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From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 199,299,499!
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:53:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92327.105336SXK129
Organization: Penn State University


In article <9211211706.AA04286@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>,
gharpure@power.psl.ee.vt.edu says:
>
>>>What is the *lowest* score that has *never* been scored in a Test match for
>>>a completed innings?
>>>
>>is it 198?
>
>Incidentally, I also remember Hassett 198*(Adelaide 1948/9) & Sobers 198
>runout
>(Kanpur 1958/59) both against India.
>
ah, yes. i'd forgotten sobers' innings. hasset's innings was not *completed*
as specified in the question, so i didn't count that one. o.k., my next
guess would have been 218 (but i think that manjrekar scored that vs pakistan)
so my next guess is 224.

Stay cool,
Sunil.

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From: sbhati86@ursa.calvin.edu (Sanjay Bhatia)
Subject: Question: Cricket on what satelite?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:29:27 GMT

Hi Everyone,
	Can anyone tell on what satelite will the India-S.A cricket
matches be telecasted from?  I think we can get my school to show them
here on out network.  Thanks.

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From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
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Subject: Re: Flogging dead chinamen (sic)
Date: 22 Nov 1992 15:21:35 -0800
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In article <01GRDOTDJYHU9859BS@ccmail.sunysb.edu> ABEGLEY@ccmail.sunysb.edu (Anthony M. Begley) writes:

	Stuff deleted.......

>PS Still noone can name just one LH WRIST spinner !! Surely there must have been 
>one somewhere, even if not in test cricket. If so did he have a chinaman?

	There was a famous West Indian Batsman who bowled occasionally.
	
	Roy Fredricks : He gad a good " Chinaman"

	Shivanand bhajekar


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From: ramprasa@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna)
Subject: Re: Cricket Quiz
Reply-To: ramprasa@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:12:43 GMT

|> 
|> 	In the first innings of a test match, only two balls have
|> 	been bowled by a bowler and the score board shows a total
|> 	of 12 runs with no extras. (No no-balls, no wides, etc.)
|> 	Both the batsmen have scored 6 runs apiece.
|> 	
|> 	Good luck
|> 
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
well, Fredericks hit wkt. Lillee? 6
at Lords
in 1975 gives a clue.
Of course batsman 1. hit the ball for a 6 and fell on his wkt.
Batsman 2 came in and also scored a six.
elementary ,
From: gharpure@power.psl.ee.vt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: recent querry on century on debut
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:53:31 -0600
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Someone recently asked:
 
>>(You could also add K. S. Ranjitsinhji and the Nawab of Pataudi (sr) who
>>played for England.)
 
>Curious -- what were their scores?

KSR: don't know

NP(Sr): 102 for Eng vs Aus Sydney 1932/33
 This test is famous as: First Bodyline test, McCabe's 187*

Also

Duleepsinhji(sp?): 173 for Eng vs Aus Lord's 1930
 He was criticised by K.S.Ranjitsinhji (Duleep's uncle) for getting out to
 an irresponsible stroke.
 This test is also famous for: King "whoever" "responsible" :-)
 for Woodfull's wicket, Bradman's 254(his best innings by his claim)

Vasudev
From: rscholef@iti.org (THESAURUS)
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Subject: Re: out on 99
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:36:04 GMT
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murali@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah) writes:

>Keywords: 

>>	Of course 99 is fairly popular, I think G. Boycott was once
>	99* as an opener when the innings finished.

>	tom
>>
>was Gooch once run out on 99 in W.I. -- can anybody confirm this
>cotah

No, it was against Australia in 79-80 (in Perth ,I think)
This would have been his first test century
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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: SAARC Cricket
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:15:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.195814.20144@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> gopalakr@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Gopalakrishnan Srinivasan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.173046.25157@cc.gatech.edu> sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea) writes:
>>Saw these news items which have not been reported on r.s.c yet:
>>
>>INDIA TO TAKE PART IN SAARC CRICKET
>>BANGALORE- India will participate in the SAARC Cricket Tournament at
>>Bangladesh from Dec 3 to 12.
>>Mr. C.Nagaraj, Secretary, Board of Control of Cricket in India (BCCI) told
>>PTI that other teams in the fray are Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and hosts
>>Bangladesh. All the matches in the tournaments will be one-day games.
>>The team was finalised on Sunday night.
>>Manindar Singh(Delhi-Captain), Navjot Sidhu(Punjab- Vice-Captain),
>                -------------                --------------------
>>S. Sugwekar(Maharashtra), Surendra Bhave (Maharashtra),
>              ------------                 ------------
>Vinod Kambli(Bombay),
>             -------
>>K.P.Bhaskar(Delhi), Saurav Ganguly(Bengal), Ajay Sharma(Delhi),
>             -----                  -----                -----
>>Nayan Mongia(Baroda), Rajesh Chauhan(MP), Prashant Vaidya(Vidarbha),
>              ------                  --                   ---------
>>Winston Zaidi(UP), Salil Ankola(Bombay) and Abhey Kuruvilla(Bombay).
>               --                ------                      ------
>>Russi Jeejeebhoy (Bengal) and Sharif Ahmed (MP) will accompany the team
>                   ------                    ---
>>as officials.
>>

Hmmmm....... no players from South !!! That is Indian cricket !!

Cheers,.

V R Kumar


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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Subject: Re: CHINAMAN AND NOW YORKER AND FIELDING POSITIONS
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.201924.20686@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> nas_ps@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

[Chinaman deleted - no offense intended]

>Now that we have nearly zeroed on the chinaman, how about the yorker ?  I have not
>seen cricket on the TV for more than 10 years (except very little on my four trips
>to Bombay).  But, I remember the picture of Tiger Patuadi being clean bowled by
>the yorker from WI paceman in 66-67 series.  As I understood, then as a kid,
>the yorker is delivered only by the fast bowler and it approaches to the batsman straightaway at the bottom of his bat and if he misses, the ball uproots the stumps.  
>(straightaway meaning without any pitch)  Am I right ?  If so, there is a very fine
>line between the full toss and yorker.  Explanation and discussion is sought from
>the knowledgeable members.

As I understand it, and I'm sure zillions of people will correct me over 
and over again for years if I'm wrong, a yorker is a very full pitched ball
that pitches in the vicinity of the batsman's toes in the hopes of going
under the bat.  This is distinct from a full toss, which (if accurate, and
not gleefully swatted to the boundary) would hit (or pass over) the stumps
before it pitches.  Except as a very occasional surprise, a full toss is
not the ball to bowl.  A good yorker, on the other hand, is a valuable
weapon, as long as you have a couple of other deliveries as well...

>
>On the other point of discussion, where are these positions located ?
>
>"point and backward short leg "  Do they become mirror images if the batsman is left
>handed ?  In fact, an entire field with all the fielding positions shown will be
>of immense interest to me and others who might have forgotten.  Thanks.
>
>Pradip Shah GE  USA
>
>

Point is the position square of the wicket on the off side, in line with
the batsman, so that the batsman stands facing towards point, assuming he
adopts the traditional side-on batting stance.  Backward short leg is
also known as short backward square leg (I think), and the Aussies are
prone to use "leg gully".  Although there is probably some variation here,
the position is basically a closeish fielding position on the leg side,
behind (backward of) square leg.  A catching position when the bowler is
bowling short and fast.

I will try to post a "picture" of the fielding positions later.

Cheers, Paul

vigorous flames expected.
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Imran's Bowling stats - correction
Date: 23 Nov 1992 01:03:14 GMT
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Spaceman was right in pointing out that there was something amiss in Imran's
figures against Sri Lanka. In fact, I reversed the names of NZ and SL in the
figures. Sorry for the confusion. The corrected records against SL and NZ are
follows:


_______________________________________________________________________
               Balls    Mdns    Runs    Wkts    Av.   5WI  10WM   Best
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sri Lanka      1788      73      672     46    14.60   3     1    8-58
            
New Zealand    2191      68      874     31    28.19   1     -   5-106



Once again, sorry for the confusion. As I do this I remember a colleague from
my days in a back in India, who said "If we do something, we may do something
wrong. But if we do nothing, we can never do anything wrong!" in response to my
pointing out one of his costly accounting errors. 

-Murali
From: shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273)
Subject: Re: Chinese bowling
Reply-To: shamim@bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:39:12 GMT

In article 01GRC3715KYA98558I@ccmail.sunysb.edu,  ABEGLEY@ccmail.sunysb.edu (Anthony M. Begley) writes:
>I know this is going to reach you all x hhours after the issue is settled but 
>can we have some DEFINITIVE clarification on the Chinaman..
>
>Let us   first define some terms:
>
>an OFF break spins into a RRH batsman regardless of which arm bowled it
>a LEG break spins away from a RH batsmman regarrdless ...
>
>a ball bowled by a left hander than spins into the batsman would be achieved by 
>a similar hand action as a right hander bowling a leg break -- this is not what 
>I believe (I may be wrong) a chinaman is.


Wrong. Here is the correct interpretation. 

Assume RH batsman. 

1. A RH Off spinner: 
off break spins towards leg slip. 
floater goes towards slips
top spinner goes straight through
armer goes towards slips

2. A LH leg break bowler:
leg break spins towards slips
armer goes towards leg slip
floater goes towards leg slip
top spinner goes straight through

3. A RH leg break bowler:
leg break goes towards slips
googly towards leg slip
top spinner straight thru
flipper straight through

4. A LH legbreak and chinaman bowler:
chinaman goes towards leg slip
googly goes towards slip
flipper goes straight thru
top spinner goes straight thru

So in summary a chinaman is bowled exactly like a RH leg break delivery. 

--shamim

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From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: GR Vishwanath's '69-74 performances
Keywords: Apologies
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:13:12 GMT

I had earlier written that GR Vishwanath's performace after his debut
and till Lloyd's team toured India in '74-75 were none too hot.  I had
gotten mixed up about when he scored his second century (it was against
Lewis' team in '72-73, not against Lloyd's).   Still he was famous for
getting out in the 20's and 30's, usually a furious cut straight to gully,
or a snick to the keeper.  But what a delight!

Apologies,
Sanjiva
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