HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Hoss and Rod-neee Show! Gia's 31, Cards 21
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:58:15 GMT
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
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Michael P. Colburn (Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu) wrote:
> Okay, so it's only the Cards, but it's great to win anyway...
>   Nice day for Rodney Hampton: 167 yards on 21 carries including a
> pretty 63 yard scamper for a TD in the first quarter.  Jeff "the
> Cardinal Killer" Hostetler is a perfect 6-0 against the Cards. 
> Although he had slow day passing (with 260 yards on the ground, who
> needs to pass?), Hoss kept the Cards off balance with an occasion
> bootleg and some decent play action, all capped off by a nifty 16 yard
> jaunt into the endzone in the 3rd quarter.  
>   So now it's off to the west coast to face Jimmy E and the Rams...come
> on Giants, let's bury these guys!!
> 
> - Mike

Does anyone have some stats for this game? Mainly i want to know
Hostetlers stats for the game (i.e did he throw for a TD?)

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From: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Subject: USA Today Fantasy League Teams 
Originator: bsricker@c00488-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:41:42 GMT


Out of curiosity ... How many of you guys are there are playing the
USA Today Fantasy Football competition? ... With all the self-proclaimed
knowledge that runs amuck on this forum, there should be several high 
finishers out there. For the record ... I'm 331 out of aprox 10000 people
in the country ... 7 in the State ( NC ) ... My team for this week:
      QB - Chris Miller
      RB - H. Walker
      RB - L. White
      WR - F. Barnette
      WR - A. Rison
      WR - H. Jeffries
      K  - Christie
      Def- Dallas


Cheers,
Brian
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Steve Young to Jerry Rice (Was Re: Rating the QBs)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:33:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.090458.1607@comp.lancs.ac.uk>,
marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) writes:

>Does anyone else think that Rice isnt as productive because of Steve
>Young?? Is there something about the way he throws that makes Rice not
>his key target?? I'm sure Rice still made the play with Bono in, whereas
>Taylor seemed to get the play with Young at the helm.

Previous to last year, when Young came in for injured Montana, Young
found Rice a LOT.  Last year mid-season, Rice complained that he
was being left out of offense - this with Bono and Young - as Niners
tried to establish run with Henderson.

This year, Rice held out until last game of pre-season.  In the
first couple games, DBs took a lot of shots at Rice, taking out
of a couple of those games - Only one of those hits were because of
stretching out for a ball, others were late hits(legit), one a cheap
shot that drew a flag.

Rice has said that he hasn't been running his routes correctly, and
has stated he off to a slow start because of hold out.

Defenses double him a lot.

No, this is not Young's fault.  Young missed him on a couple that he
wished he had back, one a terrible throw resulting in INT, another
an overthrow.  I don't recall ever seeing a perfect QB for the
niners throughout a season.

I'm sure that the timing with Young is a little different, but
they'll get there.  Rice is working hard to get back in the groove,
Seifert has stated they will do different things to get Jerry the
ball.  No, this is not Young's fault.

Mike
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Errata
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:51:07 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In "Predictions and Results for Week 6", I goofed.  The actual score
was not Pittsburgh 17, Cleveland 9, but the opposite: Browns 17,
Steelers 9.  So the program got 7 of 11 picks right, not 8 of 11.
This is about average.

In "Predictions for Week 7", I left out the rescheduled New England-
at-Miami game.  The computer program predicts:

   New England   __  12

 @ Miami         __  29

Sorry about misleading all you r.s.f.p readers; I know you use the results
produced by this program as a valued gambling resource, and I know you get
really distraught when I omit important info.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.pro:20209 dc.redskins:187
From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Request: Highest Score in NFL history 
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:03:24 GMT

Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (ALN - GO GIANTS) writes:

>Looking for the team with the highest scoring game in NFL history, date, 
>place, etc...

>Thanks in Advance

>Adriene L. Nazaretian

Your Giants got beat in the highest scoring NFL game of all time 72-41
in NY by the 'Skins on Nov 27 1966.

The 72 points by Washington is also the highest number of points scored
in a single game by any team in NFL history.

The next highest scoring game was a 52-49 Oakland win at Houston Dec 22 1963

enough for ya?
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
|rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu           Ross Smith              smith@oscar.udel.edu|
|    "I really hate that dog...." - Dr. Chase Matthews, Pet Semetary 2       |
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rules-question
Keywords: Rules,kick-off
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:12:15 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab

In <Bw641I.594@acsu.buffalo.edu> v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mr. Tinkertrain) writes:
>After a fair catch?  Get out of town...
>Someone tell me that's not true...

Sorry, it is true.  Rule 11-5-1 on Scoring states:
"A field goal is scored when all of the following conditions are met:
(a) The kick must be a placekick or dropkick made by the offense from
behind the line of scrimmage or a FREE KICK AFTER A FAIR CATCH.
(b) must not touch ground.
(c) must pass through the goal."
(b and c are paraphrased)

Then, on the Fair Catch section, 10-1-6:
"When a fair catch is declared for a team, the capitain must choose
(and his first choice is not revocable) either:
(a) A free kick (punt, drop kick or placekick without "Tee"), or
(b) A snap to next put the ball in play."

And you can do this even if time has expired...think of a short punt
from the offensive end zone that is caught on their own 40 with
time already run out and the coverage rushing toward the receiver
and score 14-12.  If the receiver is smart he takes a fair catch
and lets the kicker make the three-pointer :)
--
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* The night sky over the planet Krikkit is the least interesting sight *
* in the entire Universe.  -- Douglas Adams, HHGTG                     *
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From: yslas@riverauswest.com ( Rob Yslas)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:56:27 GMT

In article <21000@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
> After seeing yet another comeback by Elway against the Chiefs
> at Mile-High, I have a question.
> 
> Has Elway's Comeback victims ever included any strong NFC teams
> or is it that Elway has succeeded only againt the AFC in his
> comebacks. If he is indeed a great QB, then why has he not
> comeback against the NFC teams in the Super-Bowl.
> 
> I bet that Elway is just an average QB.
> 
> S.H
> 

Fran Tarkenton lost four super bowls (Elway has lost 3), but nobody has
ever said that Tarkenton was just an average QB.

-- 
yslas@advtech.uswest.com
Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Re: Dallas got lucky on MNF!! Eagles should've won 100 - 0.
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.185154.14315@coe.montana.edu> icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.190957.21425@midway.uchicago.edu> epc1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>Damn those Cowboys got really lucky on Monday Night Football.
>>
>>Third, Seth Joyner hurt his knee and had trouble defensively in the first
>>	half.  If he hadn't hurt himself, he would have caused 3
>>	fumbles instead of just one that night and had two interceptions,
>>	running both of them for touchdowns!!  Freak injury
>>	helped Lucky Dallas again.
...
>>Eighth, the Cowboys were lucky that the game wasn't played in Dallas or
>>	the Eagles would have had 11 sacks like last year.  But in Philly,
>>	the only had four sacks.
>>
>>Man, those Cowboys got so lucky.  I saw 14 touchdowns the Eagles could have
>>	had if the Cowboys hadn't gotten so lucky.
>>Well, there's always the game in Dallas.  The Cowboys will definitely not
>>	get so lucky there!!!
>
>What did you have for breakfast?  Holy cow!  This is the biggest bunch of  
>miscellaneous babble that I have ever seen...Go post this crap else where.
>I am not flaming the guy for being an Eagles fan, as I have always
>respected the Eagles for the great team that they are, but all of these ifs
>don't amount to a hill of shit because of the fact that none of these 
>happened, and 100 pts?  Come on! The Eagles are good, but not that good.
>-- 
>  =========================================================================
>     Sean Reid                  ||   "F...You're a gimp." 

When I posted this, I never expected to see a response like this.
People need to understand what is serious in life and what isn't.
-- 
En Pum Cho					
University of Chicago Class of 1994
math & economics major
epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
From: platkus@todd.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:05:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I just have to say my peice about the Monday night team on ABC.  I know I may
be in the minority here, but I like the guys on Monday night.  Now I can't
argue with what all you guys are saying about them making some stupid comments,
and going overboard on some things, and sometimes totally ingnoring the game,
but I like what they do and I like their style.  In my opinion, most all
anouncers are pretty bad.  But these guys are not as bad as most becuase of
all of these things the rest of you complain about.
This may sound confusing, so let me make my point.  I, as most of you on this
group, am very knowledgable about football.  I've watched football on TV for 
many years, and I have come to the point where I can make almost every call
before the official on the field does.  I'm sure many of you can do the same.
So, my point is, I'd rather be intertained my the announcers than have them
say what's happening on the field like I'm someone who hasn't a clue what is
happening.  So, I really enjoy the antics and comments of the MNF team becuase
they amuse me, and they leave the game to me.  
Just an aside here, the only announcer that I think actually knows what he is
talking about is John Madden.  Now, I'm not a Madden fan, and I used to hate him
becuase I couldn't stand his rambling on etc. etc.  But one day I started filtering out his ramblings and started paying attention to what he was saying, and
it not only made since, but was informative.  So, what I'm saying is that 
most announcers are not nearly as knowledgable about the game as maybe Madden
is, so I'd rather the talk about things other than the game so as not to 
insult my intelligence.  

On a final note, when Walker scored that touchdown where his shoe was pulled
off, I was eagerly awaiting some comments from the annoucers, but it seamed
like they didnt' notice it.  They are usually pretty good about recalling things
that happened in past games, and I was sure they would comment about the time
that Hershell after recently being aquired by the vikings broke through the line
and kicked his shoe off and ran for the TD, but oh well...

-Shawn


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:01:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.030847.19011@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

     [ Bob Marshall's rebuttal on Gloria's claim that stats don't mean squit ]

>Ahh, finally a netter that is SHARP. I threw that in there
>just to see who would catch it. Congrats.! BTW, this tidit about
>Seifert was shown on t.v. last week.
Oh, no wonder you have so many contradictions in your postings. You just want
us to catch your inconsistencies? I mean, it doesn't have to be SHARP to see
your nonsense.

What a wimp! Rook, you still have to go a long way to get into flame wars in 
this group.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:58:11 GMT

jg> John P. Gloria
gs> Gary Strand

gs> As promised, here they are, *'s are NFC teams:

jg> [other garbage deleted]

  Hey, someone was interested, and I took the time to type it in. At least you
  could be a little more polite. Sometimes I expect too much, I guess.

jg> All these "comebacks" really don't amount to a hill of beans!

  I bet Schottenheimer doesn't think so, nor do the Oilers. The Broncos (with
  Elway) have cost the Browns and Oilers plenty when it comes to a chance at
  the Big Show. His "hill of beans" has made him one of the winningest QBs in
  the game today. As Elway says, the game ain't over 'til it's over, and I'm
  sure Schottenheimer would agree.

jg> I sure as hell didn`t see Elway have ANY comebacks in his SUPERBOWL appear-
    ances, where it counts, 

  Only if you think the SB is the be-all and end-all of all professional foot-
  ball. It's important, sure, but it's only one game, and not necessarily be-
  tween the two best teams. Has the Chicago-New England SB escaped you already?

jg> unless that simple fact has escaped all you John "No Where Man" Elway fans.

  I merely pointed out where Elway has been instrumental in 28 wins (and 1
  tie) for the Broncos. Without those wins, Denver wouldn't have had a chance
  to play in the Super Bowl. I'll take 100 chances (and 100 losses) in the SB
  over not even having the chance to play in it, anyday. I'm sure many QBs
  would be willing to give a lot to have the chances Elway has had. He has
  played very poorly in the SB, no doubt about that, but he's done better
  than 26 other QBs at even getting there. Why don't you ring up Kosar and
  ask what he thinks?

jg> Take that to the bank.

  Struck to the quick! Arrgh! 

  Since you're a relative newcomer to r.s.f.p, let me offer some advice - drop
  the attitude. It just makes you look like a bonehead. It is possible to have
  an intelligent discussion about NFL football, you know.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 14:49:40 EDT
From: Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Status of Packers' Darrell Thompson?

Now the Darrell Thompson is back I think the Packers have to many
fullacks.... that is if you believe Thompson is a fullack, which is what
I believe he is most suited for.

They have Buford McGee, Harry Sidney, and Dexter McNabb (who I really think
could be a good one).  Adding Thompson gives them four of them.  I really
don't think they need all of them.  I hate to say it but they should release
either McGee or Sidney.  They are both very similar in their skills,
although I would favor keeping McGee because of his pure blocking skills,
although Sidney is the better reciever.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Subject: Re: current League Stats Please
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:59:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.150934.29647@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
>Subject: Re: current League Stats Please
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:09:34 GMT

>In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.63.718897011@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!) writes:
>>Would someone with some time on their hands please post the current NFL 
>>standings after monday's game.  Thnx 
>>Adriene L. Nazaretian        
>>Yale University              
>>ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
>>ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  

>NINERS WIN THE SB! :-)  Ok, Adriene, wanna make a bet that
>the Niners will make it to the SB and the Giants will not?
>-- 

Geez, I said I was a Giants FAN, I'm realistic, NOT STUPID or that 
bullheaded...  

I will betcha the 9ers WONT make it to the SB this year, PERIOD.
  
Hmmm what could we bet....
What could YOU have that I would want.... hmmmm

Suggestions anyone?  I'm sure some of your "fans" can help me think up 
something appropriate...
Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU
From: chrislim@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Christopher Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: JETS vs INDIANAPOLIS
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:26:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Oct9.123853.5287@sarah.albany.edu> pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L) writes:
>Being a true Jets fan, my hopes for their utter destruction of the Colts
>may be blinded. I do feel that the Jets have a satrong enough, not great, 
>offense to score more than 20 pts against the young Colts defense.
>However, I am worried about Indi's no-huddle offense implanted by Marchibella.
									^
									|
It is Marchibroda and not ........... -----------------------------------

>I am interested in your comments on the Indi offense vs. the Jets defense.
>
>                                      -Paul
>                                      pc0837@sarah.albany.edu
From: yvesv@wsooti03.info.win.tue.nl (Yves v.d. Vijver)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Missed results week 4
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:40:27 GMT
Reply-To: yvesv@info.win.tue.nl

Hello,

I missed the results of the NFL week 4 (including the monday night game).
Could anyone repost them for me (or better, e-mail) ?
Thanks!

Yves van de Vijver,
Eindhoven University of Technology,
The Netherlands.

e-mail: yvesv@info.win.tue.nl
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From: bsmith@osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Who Looks Good
Originator: bsmith@serverx.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:29:22 GMT

Although it's hard to keep up with all the postings here, I do my best to at
least scan every article. After all, where else can one find so many blustering
windbags in one place? (You can judge for yourself whether I too fit this
description.) 

With my main team -- the Patriots -- having fallen upon hard times, and my
second favorite team -- the Giants -- seemingly destined for also-ran status
in the tough NFC East, I find myself in a state of abject misery regarding this
season. Nevertheless, I devote as much time as possible to watching these
televised bouts of athletic prowess, and I shall even attend the Browns-Pats
contest with my friend Steve, a long-suffering Browns fan.

Keeping in mind that as a fan of the Pats and Giants, I bear all sorts of
ill will towards such traditional rivals as the Bills, Dolphins, Eagles,
Redskins, and 49ers, allow me to offer my opinion of recent events in the NFL.
I comment only on teams I've seen play.

Right now, I'd have to say that the Eagles look like a Super Bowl team. Their
dismantling of the highly regarded Cowboys and their previous shutout of
first-place Denver says much. I believe they have a rugged schedule, but they
should still prevail. The Cowboys are oh-so-close and could even get in
there should the Eagles falter. It'll be interesting to see how the Eagles do
in KC this Sunday.

The other NFC team looking good is, of course, the Niners. Their 11/29 game
vs. the Eagles should be a monumental clash. I wouldn't dare predict the 
outcome just yet, but I think the Niners may be just a half-notch or so below
the Eagles, notably on defense. The Skins? Last year's champs, they will not
repeat. The Saints have too much trouble finding the end zone. No teams in the
NFC Central appear strong enough to make a serious SB bid.

Is Miami for real? Sure looks like it after their thrashing of the Bills. 
I agree with those who think that Levy is not the greatest coach, since the
Bills offensive talent is second-to-none. I thought the Miami-Bills game could
have been much closer, but for Louis Oliver. It's much to soon to predict a
winner of the AFC East. Either Miami or Buffalo could go to the Super bowl if
they keep playing well. The Dolphins have been a pleasant surprise for their
fans, while the Bills fans seem to worry more when their team loses one game.
It is, after all, only one game. Kansas City has really good D, but like the
Saints, seems to not score enough.

If I *had* to pick a team right now, it'd be the Eagles. Of course, the
season is still young; much can and will happen in the forthcoming weeks.

Bruce Smith
From: 00jcreidy@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Colts and Bills
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:02:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.150957.9764@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton) writes:
> In article <Bw4Fxu.L60@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
> |> I don't know how many of you out there have noticed but after this sunday's
> |> game, at home against I believe Cleveland, the Indianapolis Colts could be
> |> 4-2. This would put them in a tie with the Bills. When you think about it,
> |> it's kinda funny how a team that went 1-15 last year could be tied with a
> |> team that went 13-3 and to the Super Bowl the same year.  
> 
> Read this as 'Bills play WINNING teams' and 'Colts play LOSING teams' :-)
> 
> The way the league 'cream puffs' the schedules for 'weaker' teams, it is
> not really that surprising that the 'Dolts are 3-2.
> 
> Regards,
> Alan Whitton
> -- 
I'm sorry maybe I've read my monday morning sports page wrong, but I 
believe the Buffalo Buttcruds lost to the (Not-possessing-a-winning-
record) Raiders, didn't they.  And the Colts did beat 3-1 Tampa Bay.  
Next time around, when Buffalo comes to Indy they'll face a totally 
diffferent team led by Jeff George- and they'll
get the crap kicked out of them.