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From: R.Collins@newcastle.ac.uk (R. Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: '80 GS550E weird idle situation
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:19:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1992Aug26.201424.13750@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman) writes:
>>[Sky-high idle as it warms up on the choke]
>
>I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. My '78 GS1000E acted much the
>same way from the day it left the showroom. The same "Suzuki soaring
>idle" was commented on in a number of magazine reviews of the various
>late 70's & early 80's GS series. It's annoying to have to bump the
>choke down several times to keep the idle from soaring up around 3K as
>it warms up, but it seems to be the nature of the beast.
>-- 
>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
>Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200

cf. Kawasaki off/on choke settings :-).

___
Raybo 		DoD#1058		XBR500 (which damn choke setting do you
						want now? :-(  )

"If you ever go to Whitley Bay,
Take the A 1058, goes all the way,
Cough splutter, wheeze, ....idle you bitch!"
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Fabulous Harley Babe Bashing etc.
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:24:37 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <3798@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@atc1.UUCP (Tod J Johnson) writes:

>2) Harley chicks are not at all fat or even somewhat heavy according to a
>   study prepared by Budwieser and Jack Daniels.

How come these righteous rice-despising Harley dudes permit themselves
to be associated with Budweiser "beer" which is made from rice for
chrissakes?
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: slappers
Keywords: wobbler
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:49:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Aug28.151755.26585@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>
>
>In <15260@suns1.crosfield.co.uk> gxw@crosfield.co.uk (garry wilmot) writes:
>
>
>>Can someone please clarify what causes tank slappers and how
>>to ride them out.
>
>  I didn't tink modern bikes did tank slappers anymore. Shure I've
>experienced front end wiggles but they've always worked themselves out
>without any special input.

 It's a geometry thang.

 Most (if not all?) GSXRs are prone to this. They have a great deal
 of weight up high and the early ones had pretty spindly frames to
 boot. They compensated for the tall mass with a very steep steering
 head angle (give me a break - a steering damper stock??). This
 makes the bike somewhat twitchy and prone to 'slappers. I know one
 stretch on Page Mill Road that would _always_ induce a slapper on
 my friends '86 GSXR750.

 Of course, lots of bikes can be set up poorly enough that they
 get into 'slappers. I've been fortunate enough to avoid them for
 the last couple of years. I think a really stiff frame helps a
 great deal..

 Stef
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From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: *** MC SHOP LABOR RATES? ***
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:33:01 GMT

In article <3880126@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>Earlier this week Jack Guntley of San Diego reported that the hourly
>labor rate at Fun City Cycles is $44. Up here in Milpitas, CA Co-ed
>Honda charges $55 hour. Two years ago All American Honda-Suzuki was
>charging $45 hour compared to $50 at most Bay Area dealerships. So,
>I got to wondering what the labor rates are in our respective regions.
>Might make sense to have a big repair job done out of the immediate
>area such as from Bay Area to maybe Reno, Nevada for example. Let's
>have some input here, shall we?
>
>Graeme Harrison
>DoD#0649
>'The labor charge per hour might be lower, but the hours longer.'


Primary Cycle - $35-40 (somewhere in there, don't remember exactly,
as I have sold my "beater" for  good bike)

Palatine , illinois.

-Dan

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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: riding clothes choices
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:01:34 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Tuesday September 01 1992 23:18, Randy Davis wrote to All:

 RD>   Their thin cotton will last almost as long as your denim jeans,
 RD> according to tests, and JUST as long as that shirt you are wearing
 RD> without your heavy leather jacket.  Even denim can't take more than a
 RD> second or so of concrete abrasion.  Admittedly, the thin cotton
 RD> self-destructs almost immediately, but denim doesn't last *that* much
 RD> longer.  Ever left your jacket at home and worn just a T-shirt or any
 RD> type of normal shirt?  Ever worn dress slacks on your bike?  Either are
 RD> JUST as thin as the attire you describe.

Questions, or statements? Not sure they are rhetorical (writer's intent is
not clear), so I'll answer.

"your denim jeans...shirt...without...leather jacket." You aren't talking to
me. I wear leather or aerostitch. I don't go to the Safeway 1/4 mile away
without chaps and a leather jacket. Whats your point, Randy?

 RD>   So, if you ever ride without your *heavy* leathers, you are just as
 RD> guilty.
 RD>    *Just because your clothes aren't neon doesn't make them any safer.*

Excuse me, but if I have light leather on my arms and go down, I make out
many times better than the guy wearing the t-shirt. Same for the legs.

 RD> I *have* been known to ride in areas I know very well
 RD> without a helmet when it was legal.  To me, it is part of the enjoyment
 RD> of motorcycling, and thus worth *some* risk.

You should have the right to evaluate personal risk and act accordingly. I
agree. The laws are wrong.

 RD>   Be careful with your generalizations.  Perhaps *I* am a squid (those
 RD> that have ridden with me might be a better judge), but you can't judge a
 RD> squid just by his attire - its the riding style that makes more of a
 RD> difference.

I disagree. What would you think of a fullback without pads, or a goalie
without a facemask, or a funny car driver without nomex? Would you think them
very smart? Would you want to emulate them? Would you rate them likely to
survive long? Be honest. Dangerous work requires appropriate dress and
equipment. Not wearing same has nothing to do with being good, or skilled.
Its simply an indication of a lack of intelligence and a lack of any grasp
of the nature of the activity being undertaken.

And still, anyone should be able to ride in shorts, without a helmet, if
they want to. Though why there should be less regulation of that than of
football, or hockey, or drag racing, or skydiving, I cannot fathom.

I'm on your side, Randy, I just don't agree with you completely.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
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DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
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From: mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Oil & speed
Date: 26 Aug 1992 09:08:16 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

When I changed the old oil on my bike to Golden Spectro, it seemed to
accelerate and rev faster.

When I changed it to cager oil three days ago (Castrol GTX), it
seemed to slow down again.

Both oils were 20W50.  If viscosity difference isn't a factor, is it
the synthetic in GS?  Or is it a political ploy to justify spending
$20 + filter on a simple oil change?

Manish
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: motos on TV
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:45:09 GMT

Dances With Bikers (blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com) wrote:
: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey) writes:
: 
: >It may push up the image of bikes but aren't all the 'Knights' breaking
: >the law by wearing dark tinted visors? The local bike shop won`t sell
: >you one unless you can produce a race license.
: 
: Tinted visors are illegal in the UK?  No wonder we colonials rebelled!

Well, they're only useful when the sun shines!  :)  or should be :((((


Nick (The Fair Weather Biker -1)  DoD 1069  MAG 73516

M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: this year's debauchers of debbie events.
From: dweber@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Daniel Weber)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:52:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Group

>> laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:

  > cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:

   > for reading and posting to r.m.  a unique feature will be a 'shift' key
   > which can be selectively disabled, for when one "feels a little pasker".

   keep your hands to yourself, bubba.

   -- laurie


Laurie hates competition.  :-)
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Motorola, Inc.                 			    ...!uiucuxc!udc!dweber
1101 E. University Ave, Urbana, IL 61801            +1 217 384 8500

	  << Vive Cremare >>     DOD #00033     << Crema Vivere >>
From: weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I have my DOD number!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:17:40 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <k21701.715251894@kyyppari> k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo Nieminen) writes:
>				Teppo Nieminen
>                                DoD #2000
>                               'The man who actually reasoned the
>                                identity of the KoTL.' Am I the only one? 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


I understand your frustration. (Or however it is spelled). It seems that even 
the relativily simple job of reading the FAQ and e-mailing the KotL is 
too much for most people.

Oh, you are not the only one. (At least not until you cut my head off :-)

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Michael Weaver            |"Where ever you go, There will be something in your
weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu  | way." --Banzai Clutter Theorm
DoD#0529    KotGB         | 1982 Yamaha Vision 550 --  It's feeling better.
From: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:42:33 GMT
Reply-To: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <0.2AA29DF1@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:

>John is not confused. When you press the left bar end, the wheel turns right.
>And vice versa. Get someone to videotape you in a turn at onset of counter-
>steer, slow it down on replay, and you will see for yourself. Remember,
>"turning right" (or left) is relative to the zero degree point of the fork
>in this discussion.
>
>My only point was that the writer I responded to claimed a turn could be
>made without countersteer. The only practical test would be to eliminate the
>wheel's ability to turn past zero degrees to the opposite direction of the
>intended turn (i.e., cross over the direction of travel axis drawn from
>the center of the rear hub to the center of the front hub - assuming things
>are symmetrical). I contend that a practical turn of 90 degrees at 40 mph
>cannot be made without countersteer at least once on entry to the turn.
>
>I still am looking for someone who claims otherwise to volunteer to have a
>block put on their fork to stop countersteer (at least, any that would cross
>zero degrees) and be filmed negotiating the test curve. :-)

I understood exactly what you were proposing, John.  What I would really
be interested in seeing is the exit of the turn.  With the ability to
steer in only one direction, I would think it would be very tricky to
right the bike.  You do a little "countersteer" to stop the roll of the
bike as you approach vertical.  I think the rider in your experiment would
get a rude shock as they hit the 0-degree steering stop, and would have to
rely on a weight transfer to try to keep the bike from rolling past vertical.
For that matter, I think it would be extremely hard to ride your
one-way-steering bike in a straight line, much less around corners!  I think
many people far under-estimate the effect of steering input, and far
over-estimate the effect of weight transfer in steering a bike (shaft or
chain drive :-)).
--

P.M. Smith
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: outstanding MC parking (wuz Re: Motorcyclists get a break.)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:00:21

"Lisa" == Lisa Sieverts <sievertl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> writes:
Lisa> But how many of us in sunny California use our bike as our
Lisa> primary form of transportation?  These days, my car gets about
Lisa> one fill-up per month.  My bike gets about 7 times more miles.

I don't even own a car...  But I might buy a rat truck to make
moving/shopping easier once I get the R100R tricked out...



--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Road tip #1 (Cleaning your seat)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:23:23 GMT

hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:
>MARC A. TISSEUR (marct@vax2.concordia.ca) wrote:
>: _Cleaning your seat_
>:         When washing your bike, just stick to plain soap and water
>: for your seat and stay away from Armor All.

>corrolary to cleaning tip:
>	
>	don't wash your bike, ever; after about a year, it achieves
>	a steady state -- it doesn't get any worse, and occasionally
>	looks "good" after a particulary deep river crossing.  the
>	problem with this is that it's subject to hit-and-run cleanings
>	by good-meaning friends -- you may find your license plate washed,
>	making the rest of the bike look especially dirty in comparison.

It also tends to attract toilet paper on occasion, doesn't it? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108          Favorite road signs:
    Dumper of Dirtbikes #46          FJ1200  Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
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From: david@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (David Robinson)
Subject: Re: Re: Gun control in California
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:01:37 GMT

In article <16110198@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>I can't find anything in the CA vehicle code that would make a helmet
>illegal in a cage.  Do you know someone who got busted for this?  Did
>it hold up in court?

CVC 27400:
	"No person operating any motor vehicle or bicycle shall wear any
headset covering, or any earplugs in, both ears. [...]"

This has been interpreted to include anything that covers both ears,
including helmets.  Although you could probably wear a "Harley" beany
helmet without being ticketed.

	-David
-- 
David Robinson	david@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov
Disclaimer: No one listens to me anyway!	'92 GS500E DoD #480
"An addiction is a drag" - Dennis Hopper	'90 EX250R Ninja
"A tisket, a tasket, a condom or a casket" - Dr. Carl Bell
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Fixing a flat on a radial tire.
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:22:21 GMT
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

In article <1992Aug26.131632.27960@pica.army.mil> tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>) writes:
|An interesting point, Randy. But all tires have structure (cords) which
|run across the direction of rotation. The difference is that in radials,
|the cords run at ~90deg to the direction of rotation, and in others it
|is at some angle <90deg. In all cases, a hole in the tire (unless very
|small) will sever one or more of those cords.

  True.  I tend to get pretty wordy in my postings and was intentionally
leaving off the bias-ply construction details in the interest of brevity.
I still feel that my original point still holds, though - it is more
catastrophic to the tire to sever a 90 degree cord then one at a lessor
(greater, depending on your reference) angle.

|The issue, from my point of view (and this is based upon my experience
|working in a tire shop ~12 years ago) is that you don't really want to
|rely upon a plug to seal the tire. This is true for both automotive
|and motorcycle tires. A patch, applied to the inside of the tire, is a
|much more secure means of sealing the leak. We never used a plug to
|seal a tire. In extreme cases, where there was a large hole in the
|tire, we'd use a plug to fill the hole and a patch to seal the leak.
|Let's look at some ASCIIGRAPHICS(tm):

  Lets not.. :-)

  The patch *I* was discussing are the plug/patch combinations, and is what
my stock tire was patched with.

  Tire/bike shops STILL don't recommend the plug/patch combo, the plug, OR
the patch for high performance radial bike tires, which is the original
question.  I surmise it is because of the higher tension stress on the
cords than in a car tire, for instance, due to the differing design between
the two (but I couldn't prove the higher stress, so I might, as always,
just be full of hot air), or perhaps the greater likelyhood that the bike
might be operated nearer its tire speed rating than a car (which is very
true in my experience).  Of course, I don't think they recommend you
plug/patch your 1991 ZR1 Corvette tire and run it near rated speed, *either*.

Randy Davis                             UUCP: randy@megatek.com
("mean and nasty") ZX-11 #00072 Pilot         megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
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From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Some addresses, please.
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:38:26 GMT


I'm extremely pissed off at the g-damned stinking sh#t hole where I bought
my bike and I want some people to know what a Sh#tty place they are.  So
if the collective wisdom of the DoD could supply me with the addresses of
the following, I'd really appreciate it.

	Ducati
	Moto Guzzi
	BMW
	Harley-Davidson
	Suzuki
	Honda
	Kawasaki
	Yamaha

My little letter campaign probably won't do much good, but maybe there's
an outside chance that someone will pay attention to one of their pencil
(male reproductive organ here) dealers.

Also, who else can I bitch to besides the BBB and the state liscencing
board?

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a mechanical engineer can get a job?
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My bike got vandalized last night
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:54:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <17dvlrINN5r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 166@remus.rutgers.edu, kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
>>
>> and because any
>>place of business is responsible for security in their parking area.
>
>No, they're not.  They may be liable, *if* it can be demonstrated that,
>through deliberate action or gross neglegence, they did not exercise
>the necessary care in looking after the contents of their parking lot.
>They are *not* automatically responsible for everything that occurs.
>
>>NJ has very strict bar liability laws.  I know, I've bartended here
>>for 5 years, and I managed a bar for about a year.   

 Perhaps you could sue yourself since you walked him out to the parking lot.
P.S. That'll teach you to mind your own business.
P.P.S. ten bucks say's you don't see a dime out of that bar.
P.P.P.S. Whatever happened to Roid and the uptight bitch?
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
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From: mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones)
Subject: Concours throttle lock?
Organization: Caere Corp.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:42:29 GMT

After feeling tingles in my right arm for two days after my last long
ride, I've decided I need a throttle lock for the Concours.

Part of the problem in doing that is that traditional throttle locks
which attach to the throttle cable won't work.

How have other Concours owners solved this?

Mojo
-- 
Morris Jones
Caere Corp.
mojo@caere.com
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on defending yourself in court
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:19:49 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com (Jack Reed) writes:

>I got a 67 in a 45 that would have amounted to $109 had I pled guilty. 
>I'm fighting it on the basis of the mass of power lines that parallel 
>the road I was on. I believe he was using X-band. The trooper was well 
>versed in the cali-bration procedures, but what's in doubt is when 
>calibrations were performed on the gun at the lab as well as the 
>speedometer, since the gun uses the vehicle's speedo to arrive at the 
>target vehicle's speed. I also plan on calling into question the 
>trooper's training in the use of radar and when he last attended a 
>refresher. Oh yeah, that 67 in a 45 is worth *6* points.

You fail to mention whether you were *guilty* or not.  If you're guilty
the I suggest you pay the fine and stop whining.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
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