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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:17:12 -0500
From:         MASOUDER@ALEX.STKATE.EDU
Subject:      "Sandwiching" as a Teaching Activity
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>... What she does, according to [my ex-]Shrink Frederic M. Levine, at
>that time Program Director in Clin Psych, is technically called "the sandwich,"
>meanining, if you are going to lie, slander, and skewer somebody while
>retaining the sympathy of the crowd, even getting the poor slob victim to take
>it as for their own good, you graciously stick in something Positive, then "but
>...," which is the Negative thing you want to do to them, then, maybe, to make
>it look really good, you throw in a second Positivity. The victim should, when
>dealing with anyone known hostile or, most often, indifferent but proferring an
>opinion (which is almost invariably hostile), ignore everything before the but.
>...
>
>Daniel A. Foss

Please Mr. Foss don't publicly take about "sandwiching"--Your giving
away my best teaching secret for effective 4th grade classroom management.

Mick Souder
Zuni Pueblo Public School District, Retired
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:36:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: looking for teachers of the past

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:28:26 CDT stan kulikowski ii
<STANKULI@UWF.BITNET> said:

>   but what i am primarily interested in finding is descriptions from previous
> centuries.  i suspect i may need to access diaries or personal correspondence
> of people who were teachers but i have no idea how to begin finding such
> material.  how does one locate sources of specific personal information like
> this?

For Britain, start with histories of universities and of secondary
education. Look in Matthews, _British Diaries_ and _British
Autobiographies_. When you have names of dons and schoolmasters,
you can check in the British Library catalogue to see if they
published memoirs. You also can write to Oxford and Cambridge
colleges, and to the archives of the redbrick universities, to see
if they have teachers' papers, diaries, &c.. Then, when you have
names, you also will want to write to the National Register of
Archives, Quality House, Quality Court, Chancery Lane, London, W.C.1.
This is just for Britain.
Denis Paz
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:50:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Oldest City in North America?

According to the Times Atlas of Archaeology:

Teotihuacan, in AD500, was the 6th largest city in the world,
with a population of ca. 200,000

Denis Paz
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From:         "Paul Lowe (787-)3883" <PLOWE@UCRVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: DAF

> "... planning ahead ... is a CRUTCH"

Bravoo for truth!


PL
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:53:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: How Low is Higher Education in Clinton's state?

Dear Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>,

I don't want to debate the relative standing of Mississippi State
vs. U. of Missississippi with you, any more than you want to
debate the relative standing of Clemson vs. U. of S. Carolina with
me. You know and I know why those sorts of debates go on in
higher education in the U.S.A. I, personally, think that those
sorts of debates, and the institutional rivalries that they
reflect, are a big bore, a waste of time, and a waste of resources.
What we should be doing, IMHO, is co-operating. But my ego is
not involved in Clemson being "better" than the U. of S. Carolina,
or in maintaining that such is the case.

Denis Paz
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:20:57 EDT
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Oldest City in North America?

I find it difficult to believe that cultures which had not yet discovered
the wheel could build really large cities.

How did they bring in food and other goods required by the urbanites, who
were perforce cut off from the agricultural areas?

Lenny
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:57:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: How Low is Higher Education in Clinton's state?

On Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:03:12 CDT Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU> said:
> 	Seems that someone else made a comparative statement about the
> relative strengths of universities in the South.

Your original post was concerned to establish that Mississippi
State University was better than the University of Mississippi.
That's fine by me.
That reminds me of when I interviewed for my position at
Clemson. I think I had been on campus for about ten minutes
when the then Head of Department put a drink in
my hand and proceeded to explain to me how
that the History Department at Clemson was far better than
the Department at South Carolina. I needed the job, so I nodded
my head, even though I hadn't heard of either institution a few
weeks before (except I had heard that Woody Hayes had punched
out a Clemson football player). Well, I got the job, and have
been here ever since, a happy member of the Clemson Family,
whose blood runneth orange. How 'bout them Dawgs?
Denis Paz
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:41:36 EST
From:         Marion Hirsch <mph@MAIL.LIB.DUKE.EDU>
Subject:      travel grant

          Center for Sales, Advertising, and Marketing History
                  Special Collections Library
                       Duke University

          TRAVEL-TO-COLLECTIONS GRANTS 1992-1993

          Three or more grants of up to $1000 are available to
          (1) graduate students in any academic field who wish
          to use the resources of the Center for research toward
          M.A. or Ph.D. degrees or (2) faculty working on research
          projects.  Funds may be used to help defray costs of
          travel to Durham and local accommodations.

          The major collection available at the Center at the
          current time is the extensive Archives of the J. Walter
          Thompson Company (JWT), the oldest advertising agency
          in the U.S. and a major international agency since the
          1920s.  Later in the year the advertisements and a
          moderate amount of agency documentation from D'Arcy,
          Masius, Benton & Bowles (DMB&B) also will become available
          for research.  The Center holds several other smaller
          collections relating to 19th and 20th century advertising
          and marketing.

          REQUIREMENTS:  Awards may be used between December 15, 1992
          and September 1, 1993.  Graduate student applicants (1) must
          be currently enrolled in a postgraduate program in any
          academic department and (2) must enclose a letter of
          recommendation from the student's advisor or project
          director.  Please address questions and requests for
          application forms to:

               Ms. Ellen Gartrell, Director
               Center for Sales, Advertising, and Marketing History
               Special Collections Library
               Duke University
               Box 90185
               Durham NC  27708-0185

               phone: 919-681-8714  fax:  919-684-2855

               E-mail contact:  Ms. Marion Hirsch
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          DEADLINES:  Applications for 1992-93 awards must be
          received or postmarked by November 1, 1992.  Awards
          will be announced by December 1.
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From:         bob pasker <bob@HALFDOME.SF.CA.US>
Subject:      paleography question
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does anyone know what the legal abbreviation (c. late 18th C america)
adjm (with 2 dots under the "m") means?

adjudgement?

its used on the docket cover, i.e.  xx adjm. yy, where xx is the party
of the first part and yy is the party of the 2nd part.



thanks,

bob pasker
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:12:30 EDT
From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: World's oldest tourist trap in North America?
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The place with the danzante reliefs: Monte Alban
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:53:00 EDT
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Subject: Re: The advent of "technological secrecy"

Marion Diamond says:
>
>1. the use of 'Greek fire' by the Byzantines - the secret was so
>successfully kept, that now nobody knows what it was, though the
>guess is some kind of methane or petroleum-based inflammatory device;
>

At some point - precisely when is hard to determine - the manufacturers
of fire missiles realized that even better results could be achieved by
lacing naptha with sulfur or quicklime. There followed a further discovery;
by adding saltpeter, they could get a mixture capable of spontaneous
combustion. This concoction - known as "Greek fire" - is often credited
to a certain Callinicus, a technical expert working in Constantinople,
the eastern capital of the Roman Empire, during the years AD 673 to 678,
when squadrons of Arab warcraft annually sailed up to attack the city.
The fire weapons that he devised not only enabled the defenders to destroy
Arab fleets again and again, but for centuries mananged to insure the
Byzantine navy's command of the sea. Byzantium's men-of-war were equipped
with catpaults to fire naptha grenades onto the decks of approaching
enemy craft; they also carried big flamethrowers - cannonlike tubes
fitted with a pump and loaded with a naptha compound - to pump
sheets of flame at enemy ships whenever they tried to close and board.
In naval weaponry naptha was state of the art.

Peter Brush
PBRUSH@SNYESCVA
Empire State College
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:10:43 EDT
From:         "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      What I expect from the Clinton Administration

Christopher Currie is absolutely correct, I have no right to assume the
election will be held. Simply refuse to face reality, and I don't even have
a vested interest in the election being held, like the Department of Political
Science.

What to expect from the Clinton Administration:

1. This will be the most boring administration in US history. There will not
merely be the slightest breath of scandal; there not even be interesting
conversation. Persons suspected of interesting conversation will find federal
funds mysteriously drying up. This is based on Clinton's known incapacity to
make the same mistakes twice, thanks to Hillary's infallible memory.

Those who yawned through the Carter Administration, blurry part of the long-
forgotten 1970s, which the Village Voice pronounced "A Zit On The Face Of
Time," should recall that Carter at least was at the beck and call of his
insane National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was barely balked
of the chance to send in the Marines and Army to save the Shah, hoping to
relish the ensuing thermonuclear war with the now-forgotten USSR. Well, those
were fascinating times. Not so the next four years.

2. There will be the best government money can buy. All deadwood federal
bureaucrats will now be told what to do by expensive policy analysts from
prestigious lavishly funded think tanks supported by grants from major
corporations including of course the Mobil Corporation.

3. An ecumenical conference will be held with all known religious denominations
invited to invent a theology to be Fundamentalist about. The First Amendment
nuisance will be done away with, and we will have done with squabbles over
imaginary beings so long as they are paid for.

4. There is a road to Hel and Poland will receive Swedish aid to widen it to
four lanes. Actually, I lied the other night: On the barren boring waste of the
Hel Peninsula Polish Communism built the most disgusting beach resort in
Europe, where it is possible today, given the state of Polish health services,
to contract AIDS from a licensed physician taking a blood sample. This happens
here too but you cannot depend on it. It is said that the Germans, in quest of
"a little fun," go to Denmark; the Danes go to Sweden; and the Swedes go to
Hel. I too want to go to Hel for reasons of health.

Sincerely,
Daniel A. Foss
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I hereby award the M.proust-H.James-Memorial Prose Gold Medal to Juniper
Sage. Our longstanding decathlete Daley-thompson A. Foss only gets
the silver in this year's contest.

Christopher
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:24:13 EDT
From:         Jim Cocks <JACOCK01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The food supply of Tenochtitlan.
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>Not only is land transport more expensive, but the Mayas, Aztecs, Incas, etc.,
>had no suitable beasts of burden with which to pull wheeled carts.  The
>articles I have read emphasize this as a reason for not wasting time with
>wheels and such.

 Ken Koester makes a very good point.  I would additionaly add the
 investment in road building that the wheel requires.  Especially
 in these areas.

 Jim Cocks
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:32:23 LCL
From:         maurice <MJFORRES@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Oldest City in North America?

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:15:53 EDT Ken Koester said:
>  I don't get the picture that CA & MA ever interacted
>very much with (the rest of) NA in pre-Columbian times. . . .

Isn't it generally accepted that the Moundbuilders were largely
influenced by the Maya?  And, of course, the spread of maize as
a staple is a sort of interaction.  There must be some anthropological
work on the degree of interaction between Mesoamerica and the rest
of North America; I'd be interested in any references.

maurice

                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:06:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: How Low is Higher Education in Clinton's state?

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:52:00 CST CAMPBELL-JENSEN <CAMPBELLD@APSU.BITNET>
said:

>     I was chatting with some historians yesterday and the question
>     of the quality of the University of Arkansas came up.  It was
>     suggested that the academic standing of that university-- and
>     higher education generally in Clinton's state-- is quite poor,
>     and notably worse than in neighboring states. Does anyone have
>     any information on what impact Clinton has had on higher
>     education?
>     Richard Jensen, U of Illinois Chicago

Well, without wishing to step on people's toes, and basing
my comments on little more than vague impressions, I should
think that the University of Arkansas is more or less on a
par with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, LSU, Kansas State, and
Mississippi State. Missouri, Tennessee, and Mississippi are
a step up, and the University of Texas bests the lot. (I
might be too hard on K State and LSU.)

But surely several factors come into play in determining the
quality of an institution. First, different institutions often
are stronger in some areas than in others. I should think, for
instance, that the U. of Michigan has a stronger engineering
program than either Illinois or Wisconsin. Second, the quality
of the student body is of great importance in determining the
quality of an institution. The pool of in-state students
that Michigan, Illinois, and, for that matter, Chicago Circle
draw from is much larger and has a higher ratio of urban-dwellers
to rural-dwellers than does either Arkansas or South Carolina.
Furthermore, the states of Michigan and Illinois are much richer
and have higher literacy rates than either Arkansas or South
Carolina. Certainly those factors affect the quality of a
state's higher education.

The quality of the faculty also influences educational quality.
Faculty in many disciplines go where they are offered jobs,
and are properly grateful for employ. However, faculty being
only human, many prospective faculty prefer the East, Midwest, and
West to the South. This is the accident of geography. Chicago
Circle, for instance, has a distinguished History faculty, but,
with respect, I suspect that wanting to live in Chicago is a
powerful explanatory factor.

I bet that governors don't have as great explanatory power as
the other factors mentioned above.

Denis Paz
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:19:32 -0500
From:         MASOUDER@ALEX.STKATE.EDU
Subject:      Q: Oldest City in NA?/A: Acoma NM
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>A good point, Christopher. A former head of department of mine, now
>director of the Center for Great Plains Studies at Univ. of
>Nebraska, loved to point out that the oldest continuously
>inhabited town in the U.S.A. is a pueblo (the name of which
>escapes me).
>
>Denis Paz
>dgpaz@clemson.bitnet

You are refering to "Sky City" or Acoma which has been inhabited since the
middle ages.

btw. They still don't have indoor plumbing or electricity on the mesa where
Acoma sits BUT most people have second homes that do have these features else
where on the res.

Mick Souder
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:22:00 PDT
From:         ANTHRO@TRIUMFRG.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Corn Laws, UK vs. Japan

For what it's worth, a Japanese I know said a large part of the constituential
support for the Japanese grain laws is that many Japanese claim to be able to
distinguish flavors of rice the way a wine conneseur (or however it's spelled)
can tell the year and vinyard of the grapes used to produce a wine (I cannot
do this with either), and that many Japanese, in particular the older folk,
claim to simply not like the taste of American rice.  Specifically, she said
there is a strong perception in Japan that American rice is too laden with
herbicides and pesticides, or at least that it tastes as such.

The social psychologists can argue about whether this attitude comes from the
deep cultural mysticism Japanese have for rice (as most cultures who get 95%
of their calories from one source become), or, presuming different rices do
have different flavors, because they are simply used to the taste of their
own, having been brought up on it because it was the only stuff around because
of their grain laws, or because perhaps American rice *is* to chemically laden,
but, given that, it is currently politically necessary for the Japanese Govern-
ment to maintain their grain laws.

After all, it costs them money to susidize local production, which they
wouldn't do if they didn't feel they had to, and they really think it's
rude of Americans to bug them about their one agricultural indulgence
because, as it stands, Japan buys 28% of American food exports.


David Cunningham
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:39:58 CDT
From:         "Mark Stauter,Assoc Director" <MSTAUTER@UMRVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Telegraph codes

The discussion on governmental/industrial secrecy has brought up a question
 I've wondered about for years.
In some of our industrial collections it is common to find telegrams sent
 in code.  There seem to have been two reasons for this:
 1) Secrecy, although often the codes were standardized and openly published.
 2) Economy, since many words could be combined as one, and telegraph companies
     tended to charge by the word.  For a large company this could save
     thousands of dollars per year.
Surely someone has published a study of these codes and their uses.  A citation
 to an appropriate study would be appreciated.
Mark Stauter
University of Missouri Western Historical Manuscript Collection-Rolla
MSTAUTER@UMRVMB or
MSTAUTER@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:15:51 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The food supply of Tenochtitlan.

On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:03:55 CDT Lynn Nelson said:
>
>As an aside, land transport -- even with wheels -- is twenty times more
>"expensive" than water transport, so a society that moves away from water
>courses has a great investment to make before it can compensate for
>even part of the lost efficiency of transport. The Mayas did have wheels;
>they used them to make pull toys for their kids.
>
Not only is land transport more expensive, but the Mayas, Aztecs, Incas, etc.,
had no suitable beasts of burden with which to pull wheeled carts.  The
articles I have read emphasize this as a reason for not wasting time with
wheels and such.
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From:         Christopher Currie <c.currie@CLUS1.ULCC.AC.UK>
Subject: re: Clinton Administration?

Marion Diamond's parallel betw. Japanese protection of rice farmers
and the 19th c. corn laws is a telling one, but one doesn't need
to go so far back; British and West European governments have
protected their farmers for similar reasons since World War II.
A point that Marion Diamond doesn't mention is that both 19thc
England and modern Japan were island powers, and therefore at
peculiar risk of starvation in wartime. The Japanese may also
be motivated by a fear of becoming too dependent on the U.S. for
subsistence (which would render them liable to blackmail on the
manufactured-goods front in case of a severe clash).

Nevertheless Japan protects producers of non-traditional food
products as well. I remember that a Japanese student staying with
us about three years ago left behind an English-language mag aimed at
japanese living in the UK. It included an article about how Japanese
beef and bacon producers had developed their own high-cost alternatives to
foreign products, how the government was protecting them, and what a
splendid thing that all was. I was quite unable to follow the
logic of the argument even from a Japanese point of view. An analogy
would be if the British government encouraged Scottish crofters to
grow genetically-manipulated coffee plants.

Or perhaps an even better analogy would be the European sugar-beet industry.

Christopher
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