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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Dura-Ace SPD price.
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:25:15 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <C0r8zp.GJA@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>webel@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>>I have seen the pedals in a local shop for $250, so mail ordering them 
>>would be a savings.  Of course, I am also told that you need shimano 
>>shoes to use the pedals, which I am sure are very expensive as well.
>>Baird
>>webel@guvax.georgetown.edu
>
>There is supposed to be a whole slew of shoes coming out this year
>that are SPD-compatible.  According to Bicycle Retailer SPD is
>expected to be a big deal this year.      

Nike's '93 catalogue only lists one Look-compatible shoe.  All but
the Terramac (touring shoe) are SPD-compatible -- including their
new road shoes.

>-Terry


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From: clemos@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The Chameleon)
Subject: Dura Ace '93 SPD pedals
Summary: Price?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:02:41 GMT

Before the bike dealer, who has ordered my new Trek and swapped in DA 
SPD pedals, rips me off for too much money - can someone out there tell me what
the current price is for these damn things? I'd like to walk in there knowing
how much that bastard is going to try to to screw me for this time.

- Cam

-- 
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   For her only, shall I desire.	               | Maniac Cyclist  |
               		    - William Faulkner  | Wise Guy Extrordinaire |
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From: remyh@cco.caltech.edu (Remy Adam Hathaway)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Sampson Stratics pedals
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:06:24 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: arrester.caltech.edu

ezag637@chpc.utexas.edu (Steve Manifold) writes:

>Greetings,

>I have been reading rec.bicycles.* for only a few months, so I don't
>know for sure if this has been discussed, but I did see something in
>a posting vaguely alluding to problems with Sampson Stratics pedals.
>This interests me since I have a pair on my bike now.  For the record,
>I've had them for about 800 miles and I like them (except that the cleat
>design precludes walking, but I didn't buy them so I could walk in my
>cycling shoes).  The only problem I've had ( and I think it behooves me

>I would be interested in knowing about other netters experiences with
>them.  If this subject has been beaten to death previously, just E-mail
>me.

  I've ridden about 300 miles on mine (The red ones (racing, with sealed
bearings))  I use them when I commute a mile to school, so I am forced to
walk on them more than I'd like.  For the past month, I've not been able
to lock my foot under the spring, I believe this is due to the amount of
damage the cleats have sustained, they won't go over the spring mechanism,
regardless of how much force I apply.  I recently purchased new cleats, but
I haven't gotten around to putting them on, and I'm considering altering
my current pair so that I have a thrashed pair that I don't care about walking
on...

Remy

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|       Remy A. Hathaway            |        "If you were right,              |
|       Goat Dancer Extraordinaire  |         I'd agree with you."            |
|       remyh@cco.caltech.edu       |        "Everbody has a right to         |
|       remy@3cpu.rain.com          |         an opinion.  Mine."             |
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 10:04:23 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: CO2 Cart. over the Mini Pump!

I don't care too much for frame mounted pumps, so I was looking for an alternat
ive.  I tried the CO2 Cartridge with the adapter for presta valves and was amaz
ed with the results.  Besides being lighter and compact, it inflates tires with
in seconds, just besure to buy the right cartridge. They make them for mountain
bikes and road bikes depending on the pressure you need.  Draw backs, I carry 1
cart. and 1 spare tube, so if I get 2 flats, I walk.  The CO2 gets very cold
even though there is an insulator on the cart. To the environmentalist, sorry,
I wish there was a way to reuse these carts, but I don't throw these in the
bushes either.  I have a collection of 3 so far.  Expense the biggest draw
back, figure about $3.50 a flat.  The only frame mounted pump that I would
consider is the Old Silcas with the steel Campy heads.  The Campy heads last
forever, and the pump you could still buy for about $8.00.
From: sgg5e@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Stephen G. Graber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Opinions on Indoor Training/ FIXED IS BEST!
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:01:24 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1993Jan9.171632.4621@kei.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp writes:
>I agree that rollers are the only way to go for indoor training.  I

Haven't followed this whole thread, but it seems most folks prefer
rollers so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in for the fixed trainers.

Riding indoors sucks so I try to maximize gain and minimize time- its
a real effort to do 45-60 minutes.  Most fixed trainers allow much
more resistance than rollers- I maximize the training by doing
intervals in relatively high gears- great for leg strength and
cardiovascular.  For diversion I'll try spinning 130-150 rpm for as
long as I can.  I say indoor training should be minimized as much as
possible- use it to gain leg strength and maintain cardiovascular.

For techniqe- try mountain biking on some technical stuff, but always,
always ride the roads when you can!  Just my approach!
--
Stephen G. Graber                  sgg5e@Virginia.EDU
Department of Pharmacology         
University of Virginia             work: (804) 924-9977
Charlottesville, VA 22908          home  (804) 973-1283
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Bontrager saddle warning!
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:14:42 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I recently posted a quick review of the Bontrager MTB saddle and
recommended purchase of the steel-railed model which is available from
Performance for $40.

Although I still love the shape of this saddle, I just bent the rails
slightly, so now it leans to the left a few degrees.  I weigh 180 lb
but am not a "gonzo" rider by any means.  I like the saddle enough that
I'll probably take it back and trade it in for the Ti-railed model,
which is about $70.

I've never bent a conventional steel-railed saddle, but many of the
new lightweight saddles use tubular, rather than solid, rails.  Riders
over about 160 lb beware!

David Mackintosh
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.misc
From: dpeders1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Pedersen)
Subject: Re: In defense of Huffys
Reply-To: dpeders1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Pedersen)
Organization: Swarthmore College
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:27:25 GMT

narchamb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicholas D Archambeault) writes:
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> I own a Huffy Mt. Storm

You <gasp> own a ... a <gulp> ... a Huffy?!?!  And you admit it of your own
free will?  Who let you post on this group?? How did you even get in here?

:-> :-> for the sarcasm impaired.

Hey it don't matter what you ride, as long as you do and you have fun doing
it.  Just because some people think that you have to spend more than $1000
to be a Real Biker (TM) doesn't mean we have to believe them.

Pedal on, pedal on.

-->Daniel Pedersen  -  Keren's Daddy		(215)543-8961
	dpeders1@cc.swarthmore.edu	pedersen@engin.swarthmore.edu
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From: kc@core.rose.hp.com (Kurt Chan)
Subject: Re: Sampson Stratics pedals
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:42:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP, Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]


| For the past month, I've not been able to lock my foot under the spring, I
| believe this is due to the amount of damage the cleats have sustained, they
| won't go over the spring mechanism, regardless of how much force I apply.

My Stratics came with a set of rubber cleat covers, which make them
a lot easier to walk in. Problem is, I don't like carrying them around.
You can get the cleat covers through Colorado Cyclist for about $13.

Kurt.
From: fike@chezp.enet.dec.com (MIke Fike, Manchester, Maine)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Huffy Revolution comments
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:12:56 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <sstrand-040193100151@128.95.36.218>, sstrand@u.washington.edu (Stuart E. Strand) writes...
>I am considering buying a Revolution by Huffy from a local warehouse store
>for my 13 yr old daughter.  This is a pretty well equipped bike with a
>chrome moly frame, shimano 200GS derailleur, sealed bottom bracket.  They
>want $200 for it.  Any comments or experiences?
> 
>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>/ Stuart Strand, Univ.Washington              sstrand@u.washington.edu /
>/ AR-10, Seattle WA 98195 206-543-5350   uunet:  beaver!milton!sstrand /
>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

	Don't rush into this... I bought a second hand Huffy once and after I
replaced all the broken stuff (which I didn't really mind- it was fun and a 
learning experience) the frame cracked wide open from internal rust. Huffy
and Murray build cheap junk with poor quality welds and lots of bright flashy
stuff on them to attract the kids who see them in K-mart. Last year I got my
13 year old daughter a nice mountain bike with similar Shimano componentry
(200 gs) for $275; a KHS Montana Trail. She loves it , she rides the hell out
of it and she can blow my doors off with her 18 speeds to my 21 speed Raleigh.
This time of year yo should be able to find all sorts of deals in the 2-300
dollar range - plenty of leftovers. Check out all the bike shops and AVOID
department stores. Bike shops will dicker on price and often throw in a few
goodies (my daughter got a free water bottle, kickstand, and 30 day tune-up).
She'll get the right size at a bike shop too (department store bikea are
one-size-fits-all). Don't forget a helmet! (yeah, another 40 bucks....but
cheaper than stiches!)
Mike
From: garyk@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Gary Koerzendorfer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: grocery packs?
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:27:42 GMT
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Dec28.181237.16448@cbnewse.cb.att.com> pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:
>
>Where can I get some packs that can hold grocery bags and be attached to the
>rear racks?  I saw NASHBAR had something called "Townies" that seem to be
>what I want: they are open-topped, and can be folded up when not in use.

I bought such a pack (although I don't remember the brand) and discovered that
my heel struck it when pedaling, on my 58 cm Trek 1420 ... I'm 6'1", and the
rack itself was at the extreme end of its range.. I ended up relocating the
pack's hangars forward to shift the pack aft. If you don't want to chance
having to do this, you may be better off searching for one at a store. 
Fortunately, the modification was easy in my case - just a new couple of
holes in the plastic stiffener.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Dura-Ace SPD price.
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:21:59 GMT

Someone was asking the other day about Dura-Ace SPD prices and I don't
remember if he ever got an answer. I just received the new Excel catalog
today (1-800-627-6664) and they list them at $199.95.  Also the new Velo-News 
has alot of ads for them from mail-order companies charging the same
amount.  I wonder if this is retail?  Seems that alot of mail-order places
offer little if any savings anymore.
-Terry
-- 
-Terry
From: bil@jetson.Eng.Sun.COM (William Shannon(temp))
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Any Suggestions?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:33:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bil@jetson.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: jetson


	1.  Don't know
	2. Silca
	3. Tool Pod $9.00US by Rhode Gear has 8,9,10 mm wrench(not able to reach all parts)
		6,5,4 mm allen wrenches,  straight and Phillips screw drivers, also spoke
		wrenches(not usable), and tire lever(broke on 1st use).
		
		O.K.
		BIL DBAD1
From: gt3930b@prism.gatech.EDU (steve)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: racing wheels for sale
Keywords: tubulars, matrix iso t rims, ultegra hubset
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:31:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Racing wheels for sale:

Matrix Iso T rims, 32 hole
15 gauge straight DT spokes
Ultegra cassette hubset, 7 speed (not hyperglide)
Tubulars (Continental sprinter on front, Vittoria Pro L on back)
12x21 cassette
Avocet computer magnet mounted on front wheel
spare Continental sprinter tubular (250g), Swallow Montello tubular (heavy,
makes for a good spare)

I built these wheels in 1988 and used them in about 40 races in 1988 & 89.
Since then they have been sitting in my closet (grad school != bike racing).
I'd like to get rid of these, I'm asking $120 for everything listed.  
If you just want the wheels w/o tubulars, or just the tubulars, make me an
offer.  I'll also consider some sort of trade for a pair of 26" mountain
bike wheels -- I want to have an extra pair for city/touring use.  E-mail
me at:
	Steve Nichols
	gt3930b@hydra.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: Vetta HR1000 (review)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:20:38 GMT


REVIEW OF Vetta HR1000--Heart Rate Cycling Computer.


This is a rather non professional user review of my new
HR1000.  I only have 127miles on it, so there are no 
conclusions to be made beside my own and that is: so far,
I love the HR1000.

HR functions--pulse rate, upper/lower limit (user programmable),
	training zone memory and limit alerts.

Cycling functions--speed, average speed, max speed, ride time,
	tripmeter, odometer, clock and freeze frame memory.

Display--high contrast LCD is green at 'normal' temperatures;
	above 90-100F in bright sunlight the display is blue;
	below 30-40F, the display is red.


The mounting kit is complete and the actual installation is 
straight forward.  The adjustable sensor mounts the right
side of the fork.  The magnet isn't one of those hinged types.
It's a 3/8 round magnet with a slot and screw for mounting
on a single spoke.  The adjustable sensor attaches to the fork
(and will fix oversized forks easily) in a way similar to 
a car hose clamp--just start the loop and turn the screw to
tighten.

Wheel circumference used from their owners manual is very 
accurate.  I did the roll out method when setting my CatEye
Micro.  The numbers they give are right on for 700 x 25c.

Basically, two functions are shown per display.  Maximum speed
is shown with the 12 hour clock.  Current speed is shown with
the ride time stopwatch.  Current speed is also shown with 
current ride distance.  Average speed is shown with the odometer.

By pressing and holding the mode key for 2 seconds in the
ride time display, you get to the heart rate display which will
cycle between Hi, Lo, and In (displays ride time over, under and
within alarm set points).  In this mode, pressing the mode key
will allow you to change the set points of Hi and Lo.

The 'freeze frame' function allows you to "cross the finish line"
and freeze all current measurements while updated information is
still be measured in the background.

I've been using the Vetta HR1000 for about two weeks now and have
nothing bad to say about it's function.  For a heart rate monitor,
it's features are rather slim, but as a cyclocomputer, it has
all the features less cadence.  For the price ($99 in mail order),
you're getting a good cyclocomputer plus a pretty nice HRM.


-- 
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My postings/letters are flame proof.  If you've taken offense, you may have
misunderstood me.  If you differ with me, that's just fine and your response
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: dpeders1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Pedersen)
Subject: Re: Huffy Revolution comments
Reply-To: dpeders1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Pedersen)
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:17:28 GMT

fike@chezp.enet.dec.com (MIke Fike, Manchester, Maine) writes:
> 
> 13 year old daughter a nice mountain bike with similar Shimano componentry
> (200 gs) for $275; a KHS Montana Trail. She loves it , she rides the hell out
> of it and she can blow my doors off with her 18 speeds to my 21 speed Raleigh.
> This time of year yo should be able to find all sorts of deals in the 2-300
> dollar range - plenty of leftovers. Check out all the bike shops and AVOID
> department stores. Bike shops will dicker on price and often throw in a few
> goodies (my daughter got a free water bottle, kickstand, and 30 day tune-up).
> She'll get the right size at a bike shop too (department store bikea are
> one-size-fits-all). Don't forget a helmet! (yeah, another 40 bucks....but
> cheaper than stiches!)
> Mike

Yeah, stick with the bike stores, and see if you can find someone to
recommend one.  Make sure they let you test ride a bike, and that they are
more interested in what you want to buy, rather than what they want to
sell.  Ask a lot of questions, and make sure they are giving answers that
you understand.  There are some low end bikes which are not too expensive,
but are relatively good.  The Jazz (made by TREK) comes to mind.

The components you described are bottom of the line, and every bike has
sealed bearings (well, at least most do).  As someone mentioned, with the
amount of money you will spend on a decent Huffy, you can buy a much better
bike from a reliable maker.  However, I know nothing about Huffys from
experience, so I'll shut up about them from now on...

Check back issues of Consumer reports for a survey of models (with the usual
caveats of accepting CR's evaluations as the holy truth).  Also look at the
buying Guide issues of Bicycling magazine and Bicycle Guide for info on
components and models (shouldn't this sort of info be in the FAQ?)

Hybrid Bikes were reviewed in the Nov 90 issue, p. 739
Mountain Bikes in Oct 91, 696.

Another option is to buy a used bike, probably from someone who is upgrading
or has outgrown a bike.  This way you can see if it's falling apart or not.

-->Daniel Pedersen  -  Keren's Daddy		(215)543-8961
	dpeders1@cc.swarthmore.edu	pedersen@engin.swarthmore.edu
======================================================================
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	50 yards later: "Campground	Next Right"
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From: wayman@TELLABS.com (Bob Daniel-Wayman)
Subject: Re: Mini-pump/mini-tool results
Summary: Nashbar Floor Pump
Keywords: floor pumps
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle IL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:47:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.204345.24170@schbbs.mot.com> A10377@waccvm.corp.mot.com
(Michael Duke) writes:
>The results:
>
>  MINI-PUMP - Mt. Zefal Mini Double Shot (9)
>            - Blackburn(1)
>
>   **** Problem with Blackburn seems to be a poor valve attachment.
>
>  MINI-TOOL - Cool Tool(5)
>            - Rhode Gear Tool Pod(1)
>            - Cannondale Tool(1)
>            - Park Tool(1)
>
>   **** I had a tool pod and it eventually broke in all places.
>        Others had similiar experiences.
>
>  In addition I asked about floor pumps. Seems like everyone already
>knows what I do - Silca pumps aren't very good. Not much else.
>
>

I bought Nashbar's floor pump and have been very satisfied with it. It is the
same as some Japanese company's with trashbars name on it.

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From: db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas S. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Warranties (was DS2 Replacements)
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:06:36 GMT
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 03-Jan-93 in Re: DS2 replacements         
user wagner@kuhub.cc.ukans.ed writes:
>	Ride your bike hard, HARD! Things will break, then see how your
>low-cost brand's warranty backs you up!

Amen to this...The one thing they dont tell you when you buy a MTB for
the first time is that the frame warranty doesn't cover those damages
when a vine reaches up and pulls your rear derailleur right off your
bike!

I have now seen the advantages of having a frame with a replaceable
dropout...I am now minus one TREK frame and plus one Cannondale
frame...I've biult it up and it rides like a dream (better than my TREK
with the Scott shock)!

Just thought I'd say that!
DOUG
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu