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From: smithm@furnace.ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew Jacob Smith)
Subject: New world record NonTyp WT?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:47:47 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

	Well the rumors are going around again. North American
Whitetail Magazine has a small excerpt in their Oct. issue reporting
that a non-typical white-tail was taken in Minnesota last year, that
scores even with the current World record NT white-tail. It didn't
have any more details, but said that it would be featured in their
Nov. issue. Just another sales ploy or hype? I don't know but is does
sound intrigueing. It didn't say how it was taken or exactly where.  I
know every year the rumors of a new world record start making the
rounds, but the possibilities are always exciting. Last year it was Ed
Kobersteins typical, that looks like it won't beat the Jordan buck,
and now this. Has anyone else heard anything to verify the rumors?

	BTW what are your favorite hunting magazines. Let's take a
poll and see which ones are the most entertaining, informative, or
just your favorite.  Let's also hear which ones you think are a waste
of time. Just my $.02 worth I have three favorites. The first is
Bowhunter, I am primarily a bowhunter and have found this to be the
best bowhunting magazine around. My second is North American
Whitetail, It has as much or more gun hunting, but is informative, and
entertaining with it's stories of the largest bucks taken in NA each
year. My Third favorite is Deer & Deer Hunting, it is probably the
most technical of the three, referencing scientific research papers on
deer behavior, and also has in depth articles on hunting techniques.
Now for the worst IMHO, lets just say Buckmasters (sales job promoting
fashionable deer hunting, and contests along the lines of
Bassmasters(deer shouldn't be treated like fish IMHO, you can't have
catch and release tourneys)). I realize that there are lots of
mediocre magazines out there, but I have to single this one out as the
worst.(no flames please it's just an opinion). Well let's hear your
opinions. I realize that I only covered deer hunting magazines, but
that's my primary interest. Let's also hear from small game, and
waterfowl enthusiasts also. Which one do you think is the best all
around? how about out of the big three, Sports Afield, Field and
Stream, and Outdoor life? Well I'm off to the Archery Range

					(3 days 15 hrs till Ohio's bow season)
						Matt Smith





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From: james@csn.org (Jim Phillips)
Subject: Re: Quail in NW Iowa?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:44:36 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075655.10051@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mikef@bvc.edu writes:
>Had a person from the far reaches of NW Iowa tell me that he sees and
>hunts quail.  I have never seen quail this far north.  I'm guessing
>that this person doesn't know the difference between quail and the
>emerging hungarian partridge, but if I'm wrong, please tell me so.
>
>
This reminds me of one of my father's favorite stories.  There once
was a city yahoo having breakfast at a cafe in a small NE Kansas
town.  This guy was bragging about his hunting ability.  Everyone
else was having a little trouble but _HE_ was able to limit out in
less than an hour.  Now quail hunting can be good in Kansas but 
it hasn't been THAT good in many years. 

So a number of locals asked the city hunter to prove it.  Turns out 
that the fellow doesn't know the difference between a quail and a
Meadowlark.  The biggest difference is that quail are game birds while
Meadowlarks are the Kansas State Bird.

The game warden was one of the locals. OUCH!


-- 
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From: mikef@bvc.edu
Subject: use six shot
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:43:15 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

If you are hunting pheasant and come across ducks you are probably close 
enough where six shot will suffice.  four shot will prevent to a great 
degree the winging of both pheasant and duck, but six shot will give a 
greater spread.  I enjoy six, because I come across quail and grouse more 
frequently than ducks.  Have you ever seen what four shot does to small 
game birds?


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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:56:02 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct1.083835.27302@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:

= |> Is it true that no
= |> hunting is allowed on Sunday (seems like a weird thing, but that's
= |> what I've heard).
= 
= I doubt the Sunday bit. Check the regs.

I believe that there are still states that prohibit Sunday hunting
but I don't know if Maryland is one of them.  While it seems wierd
on the surface, if you understand the background, it becomes less
unbelievable, if not less wierd.

Such restrictions are a carry-over from the old "Blue Laws."  How
many of you remember that, with certain exceptions, at one time
in some jurisdictions, stores, were required to close on Sundays?


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov


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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:47:06 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel) writes:
> I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
> if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
> for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
> knife good enough?

My  personal  favorite is the Gerber Bolt  Action.  It has 3 different
blades:  a Skinner,  a Saw, and a regular  blade.  It is  definetly  a
good all around  knife....  all the  blades fit in the  sheath...  you
can find it in Cabelas catalog for ~55 bucks...

Dave
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From: young@alw.nih.gov
Subject: Re: Quail in NW Iowa?
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:44:26 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



I've seen and hunted the bob-white in South Dakota.  It'd be hard
to mistake this bird, especially when it explodes into the air 
>from a covey.
-- 
___________	
	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov


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From: mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Matthew D Porter)
Subject: SW 586/686 good for any hunting?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:42:22 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

     I am planning on getting my first handgun.  I chose the 586/686
because it seems to be an excellent all around starting gun.  I would
like to use it for defense, target shooting, and possible hunting in
the future.  My question is particulary about hunting, of course.  Is
this a viable hunting weapon.  I have never hunted previously, but
would like to have a target/defense gun that I can also take handgun
hunting.  What can be hunted successfully with a .357 mag 6" barrel
686?  I am most interested in the areas around Ohio and also any
regulations which apply to handgun hunting.

Thanks in advance for some beginner's help,
-- 
 Matthew D Porter       (mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

     "Arrogance and Ignorance go in hand . . . "
          -Metallica (Holier Than Thou)


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: New world record NonTyp WT?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:48:39 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep30.074748.10542@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   smithm@furnace.ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew Jacob Smith) writes:
 
>BTW what are your favorite hunting magazines. Let's take a
>poll and see which ones are the most entertaining, informative, or
>just your favorite.  Let's also hear which ones you think are a waste
>of time.
 
Favorite:
1. Texas Fish & Game
2. Field & Stream
3. I can only afford 2 mag. subscriptions    :-(
 
Least Favorite:
3. American Hunter
2. Ducks Unlimited
1. any magazine about hunting can't be too bad.
   (a bad day hunting is better than a good day working)
 
      --------------------------------------------------
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cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season starts tomarrow!
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           (in Texas)
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |
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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Accident followup
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:46:01 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Bob Nehls writes:
>Well the first weekend of hunting has come and gone and already there
>has been a bad accident.  Two boys (ages 12 and 14) were bowhunting
>when some so-called hunters came along and either mistook them for
>game or were shooting at a squirrel and didn't see them (the story
>varies depending on which channel you watch).  The end result is one
>boy was shot in the head and is in critical condition and the other
>was shot in the leg.  Please, everyone remember to always know what
>you're shooting at and be sure that there is an appropriate background
>which will stop stray shots from going any further.  Just seeing an
>animal is no excuse for shooting at it unless you are positive about
>your shot and all things in front of the game and behind it.  I'm
>sorry about the lecture, but we all need to be reminded of these
>things so that we can cut down on the number of accidents.  After
>someone is hurt its too late.  Not only that, but these types of
>accidents (especially to children) really hurt the sport of hunting
>and will only cause more regulations to be passed which will restrict
>our sport.  --

It is past time for responsible hunters to help get these idiots 
out of our woods and fields.  We need to start reporting irresponsible
behavior to the Fish and Game guys whenever we encounter it.  Although
I try to hunt in areas which are usually too remote for the idiots to
find, I have still run into a few.  We need to start helping rid the 
sport of dumb behavior or we will soon have no sport to enjoy and 
pass on to our kids.

While I'm on the soap box, let me mention one other thing.  Too often
I see hunters driving around with critters hanging off all portions of 
their trailers and vehicles.  This sight is very offensive to a lot of
people and may drive them to support non-hunting issues over time.  
Keep your own act clean and encourage others to, also.

Bryan

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From: chris@unt.edu (Chris Gleaves)
Subject: .270 vs .308 for Texas deer hunting
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:53:54 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

  In November, I will get to go deer hunting for the first time.  I have
a choice of using either a .270 or a .308 and I was wondering if I could
get some input from yall concerning the pros and cons of both calibers, and
recommendations on which is better in your opinion.  Also, I'm interested in 
the trajectory of both calibers as well as the "knock down power" of both,
as well as any other info you deem important. 

Thanks,

chris
chris@unt.edu


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From: doug@premise.Prime.COM (Doug Fosdick)
Subject: What knife to get for deer hunting
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:46:44 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 >From: barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel)

 >I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
 >if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
 >for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
 >knife good enough?

The head measurer for SCI (Safari Club International), who is also
one of the top taxidermists in the U.S. recommends the Bucklite III
>from Buck knifes. It is a folding knife with a 3 5/8" blade and plastic
handles.

 Doug
From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:48:49 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I've had increasing problems with shooters (I won't call them hunters;
they're out during hunting season, but shooting at everything) on my
property.  My property is posted per local law (and re-posted every
single damn day I'm on it, because the signs get ripped down or shot
up).  I'm pro-hunter (I'd rather there were more big cats around to
keep the deer thinned out but something's gotta do it!).  But the cost
is amounting to several hundred dollars a year in shot-up trees,
replacing signs, plus the work of burying shit and hauling garbage
out, and redoing erosion control work when they drive over it in OHVs.

Perhaps someone can offer recommendations to these specific problems:

1)  I'd like some source of signs on heavy enough metal that bullets
won't go right through it -- because both the "NO SHOOTING: CAMPGROUND"
signs and the "NO HUNTING Without Owner's Permission, PHONE xxx-xxxx"
signs get shot up, destroying the trees they're attached to, and
I've had people shoot right through the CAMPGROUND sign into the camp.

2)  I'd like some sort of sound-operated camera I can set up in the
worst-hit areas, up in a tree, to catch pictures of the people who
just drive randomly across the property til they find signs or
staked-out trees or the springbox and shoot it up, in hopes of
getting identifiable pictures.

This so far has only happened in deer season, every fall recently.

I will NOT use boobytraps, bury nails on boards in the trails/road,
or do anything else that would injure anyone.

Oh, yeah, 3)  How about offering a reward for information? Has anyone
known that to succeed?  I've talked to the local hunters (who I'm on
good terms with) and they all say they'd NEVER confront any of the
vandals-with-guns, because they fear getting shot themselves if they
do anything, though they do look me up later on to let me know it's
happened again.

This is in the Coast Range, No. California -- and YES, I'm aware that this
is an extreme situation, not happening where YOU live, YOU'd never do
anything etc etc etc....  But I need some tools and advice here.
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From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Subject: Re: Mt. Lions DO STALK - coyotes, too
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:58:17 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct1.084922.27864@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep25.094230.27478@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mailrus!gatech!col.hp.com!kd4nc.ampr.org!hp-col!drs@uunet.UU.NET (Don Simmons) writes:
>>
>>       Just a note - Mountain Lions DO STALK People !!!!!!

Earlier this year a member of our hunting party encountered a hunter who
had the experience of defending himself against a stalking coyote.  The
coyote followed him around for a long time.  He really felt it was after
him, finally he arrowed it.  He seemed quite competent, but who knows.

This was near Truckee, CA.

Alan K Biocca


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From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: .270 vs .308 for Texas deer hunting
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:24:50 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075354.9479@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chris@unt.edu (Chris Gleaves) writes:
>  In November, I will get to go deer hunting for the first time.  I have
>a choice of using either a .270 or a .308 and I was wondering if I could
>get some input from yall concerning the pros and cons of both calibers, and
>recommendations on which is better in your opinion.  Also, I'm interested in 
>the trajectory of both calibers as well as the "knock down power" of both,
>as well as any other info you deem important. 
>
>Thanks,
>
>chris
>chris@unt.edu
>

Well, you people are probably going to get tired of seeing me write
this, BUT, I SAY GET THE .270  Is that loud enough?? :)  Hey, I can't
help it, but I have had nothing but excellent results with both of my
.270 rifles for hunting deer. Three friends have been impressed enough
to get the same caliber too. Oh sure, .308 is quite good, but I think
the .270 has more energy. Sorry I don't have my reload manuals with me
or I would quote numbers. (I use 130grn. Spitzer boattails btw) One
friend has a .308 and has had very good results with that caliber, so
please all of you .308 fans, don' feel I am getting down on it. I 
just happen to be partial to .270 cal. 
As for trajectory, if memory serves right, my 130 grns drop 3" at 200
yds. and about 8" at 300 yds.  As for knockdown power, this caliber
imparts a lot of energy on impact and is pretty damaging to bone 
and tissue. I can only recall losing about three due to bad hits out
of 50 hits. 

Keith 

PS Whatever caliber you use, please practice sufficiently with it 
   so you will be comfortable with it. Make your shots count with
   well placed hits and let the bullet do the rest. 

PPS I am getting restless. Gun season opens next Monday and I am 
    off all week. :) :) 





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From: mikef@bvc.edu
Subject: Quail in NW Iowa?
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:56:54 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Had a person from the far reaches of NW Iowa tell me that he sees and
hunts quail.  I have never seen quail this far north.  I'm guessing
that this person doesn't know the difference between quail and the
emerging hungarian partridge, but if I'm wrong, please tell me so.


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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Subject: Re: scopes
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:46:17 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

It was mentioned that one first sights his rifle with a new scope in at 
25yds and then moves out to 50, 100, etc. 25yds is a good start. However
most big game rifles that are sighted in dead on at 25yds are pretty close
at 200 yds. Try it. It could save you some time if you are going to sight 
in at 200+ yds.
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From: rewald@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:44:06 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075602.9881@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
 <other quote deleted>
> I believe that there are still states that prohibit Sunday hunting
> but I don't know if Maryland is one of them.  While it seems wierd
> on the surface, if you understand the background, it becomes less
> unbelievable, if not less wierd.
> 
> Such restrictions are a carry-over from the old "Blue Laws."  How
> many of you remember that, with certain exceptions, at one time
> in some jurisdictions, stores, were required to close on Sundays?
> 
> -- 
> Best,
> 
> Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
> 	  crs@lanl.gov
> 

I wrote the original question about no hunting on sundays - this puts
it all in perspective now!  Maryland just repealed the "no-shopping"
blue laws a few years ago. (But services are still restricted in
things like hardware stores: key-making, cutting boards to length, and
so on.)  So now I see where that was coming from!

Concerning my first post to this group, asking about Equestrian Safety
in the woods:

I also wanted to thank everyone who has taken the time to send me
e-mail or post to this group with suggestions and encouragement!  I
will be stopping by the fabric store for lots of hunter orange fabric
to cover parts of me and my horse, (and my white helmet) and I'll
check out the bike shops for those clip-on lights.  They sound like a
great idea!

Thanks again!

 Rosalie & her horse


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:46:22 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep29.064539.8091@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel) writes:
 
>I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
>if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
>for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
>knife good enough?
 
 
I usually use 2 knives; a nice big, heavy knife used to break
through the ribs/pelvic bone, and a small filet knife for actual
cutting of the skin/muscle/membranes.  I'm not saying that what
I do is the "best", just that it works for me.
 
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(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           (in Texas)
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From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Lehigh University
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:55:51 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct1.084850.27765@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank R
oberts) writes:
>I've had increasing problems with shooters (I won't call them hunters;
>they're out during hunting season, but shooting at everything) on my
>property.  ...
>
>Perhaps someone can offer recommendations to these specific problems:
>
> [Lots deleted]

     What about your local authorities? There must be a Wildlife Management
 Office or State Forest Ranger Station around where you live. If not, try your
 State Police. Mabe THEY can put a  team together to try and cacth them.
     Or, you can stand at the edge of your property with an autoloading
 shotgun and get them yourself.
     I would opt for the prior statement.




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