HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:45:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.202604.11806@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.153210.3746@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>
>>                                                            ...  If Mr. Kambiz
>> did not like the idea that a woman commentator was not allowed to carry a flag
>> it does not mean that all or even most or even a large minority of the Iranian
>> culture is bad, all it means is that there are somethings that need to be 
>> changed. ...
>> 
>> 
>> zafar
>> 
>
>I checked soc.culture.pakistan as far as I could, and I found only one article
>by Zafar.
>I am puzzled dear Zafar, while you are from Pakistan, you are not active in
>your own newsgroup, but you are so much interested in Iran and Iranian culture
>and you care about us and try to "change something" in our culture !!!
>Could you tell me what's the secret of that?
>Thanks.
>
>Seyyed.

The secret is simple. All the people of SCP talk about revolve in a few 
diections; Pakistan is great in cricket; India sucks; Islam v. Hinduism; 
Islam v. Secularism; India sucks; are Pakistanis part of the Indian 
subcontinent or the Muslim world?... This has been the subject matter of SCP
for the past I don't know how long. Along the way there has been a barrage of
e-mail articles on which man has been harrassing which woman over the e-mail.
Also the articles degenerate invariably to personal insults. I read SCP but
I have nothing to say about unless there is a new and lively discussion going
on. Most of what the people of SCP have to say I agree to some extent with
because if you haven't noticed Pakistanis are more religious than... I for
one am proud of that fact, but it is fraught with boredom. So why should I 
read articles that don't interest me? That's my secret. And BTW, it's not
like I constantly stick to this newgroup. Why don't you go to SCArabic,
or SCBangladesh, or SRIslam, alt.weightlifting, I post there too.
Janab-e-Alai what is the problem?

zafar
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 17:53:28 EDT
From: Kayvon Z. Sadeghi <KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRAN versus IRELAND

In article <Aug.19.15.29.40.1992.2121@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin) says:
>
>I remember hearing somewhere that "Ireland", means the land of Arya
>for the Arians who immigrated there centuries ago.
>"Iran" also means the same thing, does it not?
>Can someone enlighten me? And if that is true, why don't the Irish and
                           ********************************************
>us look alike in any way?
 ************************


I believe you found an answer already!!!


>
>Thanks,
>
>ShAhin
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KAYVON Z. SADEGHI                  K.SADEGHI@IEEE.ORG
VOICE: 202/244-0789
From: kian@research.nj.nec.com (Kiandokht Beyzavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Accessing the newsnet
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:16:33 GMT
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Originator: kian@iris58


Hello everyone,

I was wondering if any one out there knows how to access this
news net from the IBM internet. If you do, please send the
reply directly to my sister. Her address:

BEYZAVI@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM

(I think the whole thing has to be in capital letters).

Thanks.

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Cuba denounces U.S. ``terrorism''
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:00:59 GMT


	MEXICO CITY (UPI) -- Cuba Friday sent a letter to the United Nations
Security Council denouncing ``the continuation of terrorist activities
against (Cuba), promoted, encouraged or tolerated by United States
authorities.''
	The letter, which also pointed out that such actions were the subject
of a security council meeting in May, was delivered by Cuba's ambassador
to the United Nations, Carlos Zamora Rodriguez, the official Prensa
Latina news agency said in a dispatch monitored in Mexico City.
	Prensa Latina said the letter highlighted an alleged July 4 incident,
in which four armed men led by U.S. citizen Tony Bryant illegally landed
in Cuba ``with the intention of taking terrorist action.''
	Prensa Latina claimed on encountering unspecified problems, the four
men were rescued by U.S. commandos and Coast Guard, who entered Cuba
waters when unauthorized to do so -- a fact Cuba claims must have been
know by U.S. authorities.
	The men were then taken back to the United States despite being in
possession of weapons, the news agency said.
	Prensa Latina said Cuba's communist government notified the U.S.
interests section in Havana of the events on July 21.
	``There is no room for doubt,'' the letter said, ``that the
government of the United States, with its actions in this case and in
previous cases, has violated fundamental rights and the coexistence
between nations.''


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From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Editorial in N.Y. Times (8/18/92)
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:00:30 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <oou.djvls@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
>In article <TOWFIQ.92Aug19101000@nighthawk.clearpoint.com> towfiq@Microdyne.COM writes:
>
> @  The following editorial appeared in Tuesday's New York Times:
> @
> @			     A Death in Iran
> @
> @Despite recurrent reports that Iran has become "moderate," persecution
> @of members of the Bahai faith has intensified.  On March 17, a
> @businessman named Bahman Samandari was summoned to the notorious Evin
> @prison in Teheran, where he was secretly executed the next day.
>
>1. what is their source? Supposedly "secretly" means that the Iranian
>   gov. has not admitted the alleged execution.
>
>2. *Assume* that the execution did take place. What was he charged with?
>   If the execution was simply for being Baha'i, then the gov. should be
>   executing all baha'is in Iran. Was he perhaps a Baha'i AND a criminal?
>   Many Muslims have been executed. That does NOT make the gov. anti-Islamic.
>      
> - Farzin Mokhtarian
>   farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
>                              

I totally agree with Farzin on this subject. Afterall, what does
Amnesty International and other human rights groups know about
political prosecution. I am sure if such events were taking place
in Iran (that is, prosecution of Bahais based on their religious
beliefs), it would have made the headlines on Keyhaan Havaayee.
Right Farzin?

While we are on the subject, I also think that all this talk about 
aparthied (sp?) in South Africa has been grossly exaggerated.

Behzad

p.s. for those of you who are not familiar with the art of sarcasm,
please keep that point in mind while reading this article.
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: BBC Unveils CIA Monetory Support for Iranian Opposition
Date: 22 Aug 92 07:26:14 GMT
	<5pj.dm4pr@lab.ntt.jp> <BtCr98.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: none

In article <BtCr98.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

 #farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
 #
 #>In article <1992Aug20.150252.21668@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:
 #
 #>One again, the US gov. has unwillingly and substantially
 #>helped the Iranian gov. By placing these "opposition"
 #>groups on their payroll, they have effectively destroyed
 #>any credibility they may have had. It's a strange world!
 #
 #It will be even stranger when one day list of IRI officials
 #who are on CIA payroll comes out.  Already there has been
 #documents that CIA has been trying very hard to reach the
 #akhonds in Iran in different ways (for example some of the
 #U.S. documents siezed in the U.S. embassy in Tehran indicate
 #that CIA provided funds for some relatively high ranking
 #rouhaanis in Iran to help them move up the rank so that one
 #day they can serve the service).

Interesting!

 #>Well, as long as the US gov. feels like wasting its money ...
 #>                                          
 #I do not think so.
 #It pays off some day.
 #It does.
 #Just wait.

I am waiting ... still waiting ... (it's *only* been 14 years so far!)

 #>It's amazing how many of the hostile actions they have taken
 #>against Iran have actually backfired against them! 
 #
 #And how many which DID NOT.
 #Look what they did to Iran's economy.
  
Look what they did to their own economy!
                 
 #Look how they isolated us to the point of complete seclusion.

They have?!
                 
 #Look how they deprived ME and YOU and OTHERS from serving our country.
   
They did?!
                 
 #>  
 #>How does one explain it?
 #
 #EMDAADE GHEYBI of course!  What else.

Ofcourse!

 #> - Farzin
 #>            
 #Ala

 - Farzin
From: mahyar@netcom.com (Mahyar Rahmatian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Baghdad, a Persian name, revisited.
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:51:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


This may come as a surprise to many hamneton,
but the true Persian meaning of Baghdad is " God-Given ",
and not " Garden of ... " .

bagh	= God
dAd	= Given

which is equivalent to " khodadAd ".

This name has been given to the city since the 8th century.
References up on request !


PS, How about " Tehran ", what does this name mean ?



== Mahyar
From: hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: IRAN versus IRELAND
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:29:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I remember hearing somewhere that "Ireland", means the land of Arya
for the Arians who immigrated there centuries ago. 
"Iran" also means the same thing, does it not?
Can someone enlighten me? And if that is true, why don't the Irish and
us look alike in any way?

Thanks,

ShAhin
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: republican convention
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:32:23 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <sehari.714248012@du139-203.cc.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>I admit that Pat was a little bit too much; however, in my opinion the
>"biggest threat to everything constitution stand for" are the Democrats,
>not the Republicans.  Dems speak very well, but when it comes time for
>action they take all the individual rights of everybody.  Demos given a chance
>want to regulate all aspects of people life from who should you marry with
>to what can you say.  As a mater of fact they are really the communists,
>under a polite term.  Their support for hemosextuals makes me to run toward
>Republicans, no mater if I do not agree with all the Republican stands. 
>Here in Iowa, we see Democrats terror over the state population. 
>
>Even though, I should say that I respect some Democrats like Ted Kennedy,
>Jim folly, and I do not think the Pat's attacks on Ted Kennedy wins any votes 
>for the Republicans.
>
>                        With highest regards,
>                             Babak   Sehari.


It is amazing how our hezbollahi netters seem to be so infatuated
with Pat Bucanen (sp?). I guess, what they fail to realize is that
if Pat would get his way, he would ship their sorry asses back to
Beirut.

Behzad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iran plans to boost Kharg Island oil storage capacity
Keywords: Iran 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:29:09 GMT


	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iran plans to restore its crude oil storage
facility on Kharg Island in the Gulf to nearly half the capacity it had
before the 1980-88 war with Iraq, the official Islamic Republic News
Agency said Monday.
	Within the next two years, Iran intends to restore the Kharg oil
storage facility to 10 million barrels, enabling the country to export
six to eight million barrels a day from the terminal on the island, an
IRNA dispatch monitored in Athens said.
	The Kharg Island oil terminal had a storage capacity of 22 million
barrels before the war, but much of this was destroyed when the island
came under intense Iraqi bombardment during the conflict.
	Iran exported some 5.5 million barrels of crude oil a day before the
war. The figure now stands at less than 3.5 million barrels a day, but
reconstruction plans currently in hand aim at restoring the country's
oil exports to the pre-war level.


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From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: A public apology to seyyed
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:01:21 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug21.084131.23131@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no writes:

 |                             Savade farsi ma ham be Elate zendegi der
 |farangestan (khareje) nam keshide ast, no denying that. 
 |
 |					  Kambiz

No kidding! I suggest you subscribe to a Farsi magazine or newspaper.
It really helps.
   
 - Farzin
           
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Attempt at "ra" (for M. Towfiq)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:47:44 GMT


11-Aug-92 21:26	towfiq@nighthawk.clearpoint.com (Mark Towfiq) The use of "-ra"

>  So, with these two elements combined, you should be able to
>immediately identify in any sentence whether "-ra" is necessary.  Here
>are a few examples:
----------------------------------------

Okay so let me take a crack at it:

  Maryam took the ball away from the small boy.

Maryam az pesareh toupe ra gereft.

(the "h's" are silent of course, I don't know how to represent the "ay" sound
 otherwise)

  Sassan drove his car into a tree.

Sassan to derakht automobile ra... (I don't know how to make the correct form
of "drove" in this case)

  I like walnuts.

Gerdoo doost daram. (Kheilly khoshmazast)

Oh well, I keep trying...

>For if we call the language "Farsi", we are cutting ourselves off from
>the rich heritage and memories of Persian culture, things such as
>Persian food, Persian rugs, the war between the Greeks and the
>Persians, and Persian cats (unless we are going to start calling them
>"Farsi rugs" :-)).

Thanks for the tips.  Yes, my teacher is farsi, I mean Persian :->

I first became interested in the Persians from my interest in war (oddly).
Apparently you guys' ancestors used to pull a neat fake in battle--appearing
to retreat, and then firing your excellent tir kamoon backwards at the
pursuing Greeks.  I thought this was very cool.  

I just wish I knew a whole lot more.  Funny, once I went with my
brother-in-law (American) and sister-in-law (Iranian) to the Smithsonian.  We
were visiting a hall where they had sextants (maritime navigator's tool).  As
soon as I saw a huge American-made sextant from the 1800's I commented that
the Persians had invented these long before the west.  The funny/horrible part
of the experience is that both my in-laws were so ignorant that they
completely dismissed what I had said, making subtle noises that sounded an
awful lot like "bull...t."  Anyway, just around the corner in an adjacent
gallery were a whole bunch of Persian and Arab sextants from 1000 years
earlier.  Unfortunately nobody followed me there.  

I just thought this would amuse you.  Anyway, I'm always looking for
interesting factoids about Persian inventions that predate western discoveries
of the same things.  I know for example that there is a description of a
"Caesarian section" in the Shahnameh (?) that predates Caesar by a long long
time.  

In fact I'd like to find a book of such facts.  I have one on China that has a
lot of amazing details like these.
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: summaries of Kayhan highlights
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:10:50 GMT
	<q5g.d6ntc@lab.ntt.jp>
Organization: none



I also vote in favor of continuing the summaries.  :-)
               
Due to the overwhelming support I have received, the summaries will continue 
(thanx go to those who expressed interest).
   
There is just one problem now: this week the paper is late!
    
 - Farzin
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: iran third ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:12:03 GMT
Organization: Stanford University

mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>I don't know what the official system is. However, Iranian sport
>magazines use the system that I used for the team competition. I have
>yet to receive the olympic issue, and I compiled the rankings based on
>the reported individual results. I'll check the magazine as soon as I
>receive it.

OK, here it is (donyA ye varzesh #1040 - 1371/5/17):

=============================================================================
Headline (read in bold):

    "pahlevAnAn e koshti ye irAn bar sakkoo ye sevvom e olampic"

Complete analysis of the matches covering 6 pages follow the above
headline.

And then they include the final standings:

Point standings:    1. CIS - 2. USA - 3. Iran ...
Medal standings:    1. CIS - 2. USA - 3. N. Korea - 4. S. Korea - 5. Iran ...
=============================================================================

So, they include both standings, which still does not settle our
issue. But looking at the headline, it hints that the point system
ranking may be the more popular one. Of course, donyA ye varzesh may
be biased in using it, since it puts Iran in the third place. But,
this is not the first time I have seen them use the point system as
the primary ranking method.

Hope this helped.

    --mack

--
When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:01:05 GMT

Babak writes:
***
I just red this discussion about Baghdad.  It makes sense that Baghdad has
a Persian root and comes from Bagh-Dad meaning garden of justice. That is:

Bagh = Garden
Dad  = Justice
***


Are you sure about this? Baghdad is pronounced "Bagh-dAd" and not
"BAgh-dAd", is it not?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mehdi@admin.kth.se (Mehdi Alipour)
Subject: Re: Joke
Reply-To: mehdi@admin.kth.se (Mehdi Alipour)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.122536.10042@ifi.uio.no>, kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran) writes:
>
>Today's joke:
>
>Somebody told a shireii(drug adict) :Baba In Musawi ham dahan ma
>ra service kard
>
>-Mushavi deegeh kieh.
>
>_ Nokhost vazir (Prime minister)
>
>-E, Moshadeq avaz shodeh ?
>




BA sAlAm


Yeh Rashtieh dAsht miraft sar kAr, keh bArAn shadidi shoroe beh bAridan
mikoneh. Tasmim migireh bargardeh khoneh va chatrash rA bardareh.
Dar khoneh poshte dar otagh khAb sedAye zanash va yek marde gharibeh rA
mishenavad keh pech pech mikardand.

marde gharibeh: in pA mAle kieh ?.
zan : mAle toye ! mAle toye !. (bA lahgehe Rashti bekhanid- mAl to hast)

marde gharibeh: in dast mAle kieh ?.
zan : mAle toye ! mAle toye !.

marde gharibeh: in tan mAle kieh ?.
zan : mAle toye ! mAle toye !.

marde gharibeh: in ... mAle kieh ?.
zan : mAle toye ! mAle toye !.
	.
	.
	.

marde Rashti keh poshte dar otagh in sohbathA rA shenid, goft:

(bA lahgehe Rashti bekhanid)

man beram in chatre_mAne bardAram tA ore (An rA) nabakhshideh. !!


Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7372 alt.discrimination:3919 soc.rights.human:3132 talk.politics.mideast:18922 talk.religion.misc:14431
From: towfiq@Microdyne.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,alt.discrimination,soc.rights.human,talk.politics.mideast,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Editorial in N.Y. Times (8/18/92)
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:10:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.rights.human
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corporation

[Once again, followups are directed to soc.rights.human--mmt]

fm = farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
mt = towfiq@Microdyne.COM

mt> [From the New York Times:] Despite recurrent reports that Iran has
mt> become "moderate," persecution of members of the Bahai faith has
mt> intensified.  On March 17, a businessman named Bahman Samandari
mt> was summoned to the notorious Evin prison in Teheran, where he was
mt> secretly executed the next day.

fm> 1. what is their source? Supposedly "secretly" means that the
fm>    Iranian gov. has not admitted the alleged execution.

  I don't know what source the New York Times used.  Potential sources
include the bereaved family of Dr. Samandari, the people who killed
him, or a spokesperson for the Islamic Republic.

  "Secretly" means that it was not public, in other words, there was
no trial, no announcement of his arrest, and no announcement of his
excecution.  His widow was notified of his execution two weeks later
when the authorities gave her his will.  As the article went on to
quote, they still have not stated the location of his burial.

fm> 2. *Assume* that the execution did take place. What was he charged
fm>    with?

  Who knows?  There was no trial announced (I doubt there even was
one), and he certainly did not have a lawyer.

fm>    If the execution was simply for being Baha'i, then the gov.
fm>    should be executing all baha'is in Iran.

  The Islamic Republic leaders would like nothing more than to
completely wipe out all of the Baha'is.  The reason they have not is
because of the intense international pressure in support of the
Baha'is who, wherever they go, are beacons of peace, obedience, and
kindness.

fm>    Was he perhaps a Baha'i AND a criminal?  Many Muslims have been
fm>    executed. That does NOT make the gov. anti-Islamic.

  If he was a criminal, one would imagine that he would be arrested,
charged, and put on trial (as were those individuals who have been
smuggling drugs in Iran, or those who participated in the riots in
Mashhad).  This did not happen.  Also, please note that many Muslims
have been excecuted unjustly.  Insofar as killing people unjustly goes
against everything Muhammad stood for and taught, I would call this
very ansi-Islamic.  It is actions such as these which are eating away
at the very vitals of the holy religion of Muhammad.

  In conjunction with all of the other barbaric torments, tortures,
and persecutions of the Baha'is in Iran, the only reasonable
conclusion is that Dr. Samandari was excecuted for his belief in
Baha'u'llah.
--
Mark Towfiq, towfiq@Microdyne.COM			      H:+1 617 488 2818

O QUINTESSENCE OF PASSION!  Put away all covetousness and seek contentment; for
the covetous hath ever been deprived, and the contented hath ever been loved
and praised.
		-- Baha'u'llah, Persian Hidden Words, #50