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From: monitn@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto)
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd is TOO MUCH
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:48:46 GMT

falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:

>In <1992Dec21.172113.2319@portal.vpharm.com> dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) writes:

>>In article <168C4950A.KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu> KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu writes:
>>>Before you pop down $100-150 for this new Floyd set, consider this:

>actually now if you want to get this set for less than 150 good luck... it
>just went out of print... one store here increased it's prices thirty
>dollars in just one evening... the lowest i think you can find it for
>around here is 160 if you can even find it....   

Just out of curiosity, where is "here" for you?
Where I am (Albany/Troy, NY) copies can be had for $140-150 in a few record
stores, although quantities are limited. In fact, most places I was the past
few days had it down to $120 or so.

Just an observation...
Nick
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From: KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu
Subject: Pink Floyd is TOO MUCH
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:35:53 EDT
Organization: Illinois State University

Before you pop down $100-150 for this new Floyd set, consider this:
It is unlikely that many of these sets will sell at such a high price.
Eventually they will probably release the newly remastered discs
individually, perhaps even the rarities disc. I'll wait for that before
I spend that kind of cash on music I already have. After all, I've got
both the gold disc releases of DSOTM and The Wall and they sound great.
I also have the Harvest import of Animals, and it also sounds good. I'd
love a remastered WYWH. While we're on the subject of the new box, I'll
flame this: what a waste of money and time to include MLOR in the set!
I would hope it sounded as good as it could the first time it was released.
 
Cheers!
Kyle C Schiebel
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Subwoofer dumb question
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:58:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.214702.19634@colorado.edu>, baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin) writes:
|>   I have a subwoofer oriented question. I have heard that a subwoofer will
|> lower the demands made on the main speakers thus allowing them to use 
|> the power to better reproduce the higher frequencies.
|> 	I have a powered subwoofer hooked to the sub out ( < 200Hz) of my
|> reciever. I like it and it sounds great, but I dont understand how this
|> is changing the demands on my main speakers.
|> 
|> E-mail is fine, thanks,
|> 
|> Dan Baldwin  baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu

	Thanks to all of you who gratiously answered my question. I guess
the bottom line is that I have to find out if the cross over which controls
the sub out on my reciever, a Yamaha RX-V850, filters out the frequencies
below 200Hz which go to the main speakers. Does anyone know if the reciever
does this ? The sub woofer I have is an Infinity 10", 100 Watt and I guess that
an alternative set up is to place the sub woofer between the main amp and
the main speakers. Right ?


Thanks a lot,
Dan Baldwin   baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu
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From: mcobb@scott.skidmore.edu (mary cobb)
Subject: Re: Watts/channel question (Was: Sony ES vs. Sony A/V receivers)
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:44:09 GMT

You don't like Bose?  Why the grude, I have always thought that Bose made
really high-quality stuff...?
 
I was kind of kidding about the 70's Audio Era thing.  You have to admit, 
the speaker covers for that time were the best. =)
 
Eric
From: gmaltby@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Gavin Maltby)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Is an expensive CD player worth the money?
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:11:36 GMT
Organization: Uni Natal
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Dec24.165531.20060@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> eric@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Eric Hansen) writes:
>From: eric@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Eric Hansen)
>Subject: Re: Is an expensive CD player worth the money?
>Date: 24 Dec 92 16:55:31 GMT


>I've had an NAD 5000 CD player for about 6 monthes now, and don't have any
...
>rest of their system was not up to par.  Even if you don't think the D/A
>section is great, it would make an excellent transport.  I'm just using it

>- Eric

Hi,

I don't know the 5000, having only met the 5420, 5425 and 5440.  But
I know a Wadia X32 DAC with the Rok-Lock chip in won't lock in to the
signal from a 5425 because there is too much jitter.  You have to use
the alternative chip.  On the other hand, it was happy with a Rotel
drive.

Gavin
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers)
Subject: Re: questions on new digital formats
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:50:49 GMT

In article <725768980.2401.0@elara.esl.acs.cmu.edu> kz08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Zuroski) writes:
>Speaking of the new digital formats, I've yet to see either DCC or MD
>pre-recorded media for sale in music shops. My questions: how are they
>gonna package these things? I assume the DCC can fit into the old analog
>cassette containers, but what about the MD diskettes? With all the fuss
>from the record stores about CD packaging, I'm interested in what the
>record companies have planned for the new formats. 

	Not in record stores there?  Most every store here, even department
stores, have both.  The MD case is about the thickness of a casette case, but
is 3.5" wide by 4.25" tall.

						--Rob.
From: dhukill@esprit.prime.com (Dave Hukill)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Multichannel Power Amp for Sony E2000ESD? (Lexicon too)
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:03:22 GMT
Distribution: usa

Sony has a unit - TA-N220. It can be used as a 2, 3, or 4-channel amp:
100w + 100w, 100w + 45w + 45w, and 45w + 45w + 45w +45w, respectively.
I got my unit for $300, and am very pleased with it.


Dave Hukill <dhukill@esprit.prime.com>
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From: eklein@whsun1.whoi.edu (Edgar Kleindinst)
Subject: woofer advice needed
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: NOAA-NMFS
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 21:43:59 GMT

I have four OHM C2 speakers that are over 15 years old. 
The foam material surrounding the woofer cone is disintegrating and falling 
out in large pieces. I contacted OHM about replacements and was told 
"the company that made those woofers went out of business and 
we could not find any speakers that came close so we discontinued them". 
I was told that (for a limited time only) I could trade in the old ones
for $500 off the small Walsh driver "Sound Cylinder" speaker system.

Sounds like BS to me. I would imagine that speaker technology has come
a long way in 15 years and there must be something that will work.

These speakers sound great and I don't want (can't afford) to lose 
them. The bass response at low volumes is the nicest part of the sound
so the replacement woofer is critical. High efficency is a must.

I am ignorant when it comes to sound systems so I don't want to
get just any woofer without seeking some advice. I realize this may be
like asking what is a good engine for my car but here goes....

What is a good 10" woofer that I could use. The specs on the speakers
are .....

	woofer - 10" unit
	2 lb. ferrite magnet
	1 1/2" voice coil

	crossovers 1700 Hz
		   5000 Hz

 	impedance (IEEE) 40 to 8/6 ohms

	freq. response 37 to 20,000 Hz. +- 4dB
		-3 dB at 18,000 Hz.

	efficiency 0.70%
	min. 10 watts (rms)
	max. 100 watts (rms)

I am into computers not speaker systems and this means nothing
to me. Any advice is welcome .......

			eklein@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (Edgar Kleindinst)
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From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Is Laserdisc _really_ robust ?
Followup-To: rec.audio,rec.video
Date: 31 Dec 1992 05:07:26 GMT
Organization: BBN
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec30.083149.9655@mel.dit.csiro.au>, gre253@mis.csiro.au
(Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813)) wrote:
	...
> rental arena. But would you trust a 12" _expensive_ LD to a pack of "typical"
> video rental freaks? Just look at the state of some of the video tapes and
> covers - it makes you wonder what they did with them !?
> 
> I've lent CD's _once_ to freindes, they returned in less-than-original,
> condition, with scratches, finger-prints, beer stains ,etc ....
> 
> Are rental LDs treated with care or do the mongul hoards play frisbee with
> them?
 ...

There was a video store that I used to go to that up until a couple years
ago had its rental video discs on display WITHOUT ANY PROTECTIVE COVERING
at all. Just bare-naked discs stacked on-edge, sliding and scraping against
each other. I was appalled (and I'm glad they stopped the practice), but
amazingly most of the discs seemed to survive this unnecessarily brutish
treatment, even though they began to look like they had been used as
doormats.

Under more reasonable conditions, I would expect a disc to hold up much
longer than a tape. One rare exception: Years ago, a number of discs were
produced with contaminated glue binding the two havles of the discs
together. (LDs are built a bit like a CD-sandwich with glue filling.) The
bad glue caused the aluminum signal-layer coating to slowly oxidize over
time, which resulted in increasing video noise -- the condition was
jokingly referred to as "laser rot". This has not happened in a long time,
and the manufacturer (I think it was Pioneer) will still replace any disc,
no matter how long ago it was purchased, if it displays this problem.

-Kerry
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Question about rear speakers for surround sound
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:48:50 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

Has anyone tried using an unbaffled driver as a rear speaker?  
The listening position could be in the null of the rear speaker's
directional response.  Room reflections would convey the rear channel
sound to the listeners.  Of course, the reflections off the left wall
would be out of phase with the reflections off the right wall; the 
listener would be in the "crossfire".  I don't know how this would be
perceived.

The lower limit of the frequency response of such a rear speaker would
depend on the size (and type) of LF dirver, how it's mounted, and maybe on
room dimensions (did I leave anything out?).  I certainly wouldn't expect
a flat response out of such a rear channel, but maybe that's not 
going to ruin the effect.

Two LF drivers could be mounted on a single board, facing opposite directions 
and wired out of phase.  That way each side gets the benefit of one driver's
front radiation.  Two MF drivers with the same configuration could be added.
I suppose one could also add tweeters.

Maybe someday I'll have the time to try this!

Tom Matthews
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: EAD Transport + Threshold Amp = buzzing noise?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 20:08:58 GMT

Here's a bizarre question for you audio.mavens out there:  at the moment
one of my stereos has an EAD T-7000 transport driving an EAD DSP-7000
processor driving a Mod Squad Deluxe Line Drive driving a Threshold S/200
driving a pair of Apogee Stages.  (There are about five other source
devices as well, but they don't seem to be causing the problem.)  Now,
about once every two weeks or so, the amplifier itself will begin 
emitting a loud buzzing noise; this does not affect the operation of
the amplifier, nor is there any buzzing or distortion added to the sound
coming out of the speakers.  This buzzing persists until the amplifier is
turned off or the transport drawer is opened and then closed again, at 
which point everything is OK for the next week or two.  

The only connection from the transport to the rest of the stereo is a
Straightwire coaxial digital cable; everything is plugged into the same
wall outlet with grounded plugs, though there are three power strips
(one for the amp, one for digital sources, one for analog sources).
This problem has occurred with two different EAD transports (and 
processors), but when I have used one of the EAD processors with a
different transport the problem has not occurred.  Various other pieces
of equipment have been in and out of the system, including a Muse model
18 sub between the line drive and the amp, without affecting the problem.

Anyway, I'm rather at a loss to figure out anything that could be going
on here--anyone in net.land have any ideas?  Is this hard on the amp?
Should I expect Rod Serling to step out from behind one of the Stages
at any moment?

Trygve   (P.S., I've also got an extra Conrad Johnson MV-50 recently
          retubed with Golden Dragon tubes; asking $595, would prefer
          to sell to someone in the Denver area so you can see and
          hear it before deciding to buy it.)
From: lapoint@adios.brl.mil (Claude LaPointe )
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Is high priced CD player worth the money?
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:39:11 GMT


tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao) writes:

   >I am shopping for a CD changer. But reluctant to pay the premium for the
   >high price model and need your opinion.
   
   >I remember some time ago in Stereo Review magazine that the sound quality
   >in different CD is mininal, so a $199 changer will sound almost as good as
   >any $499 ones, the feature might be less, but as far as sound goes, they
   >are about the same, is this true?
   

About 8 months ago I bought a system that ended up at about $8K.

Thiel 3.5's, B&K upper end electronics, Cal Audio Labs Icon II cd player.

I auditioned the stuff on classical and bluesy traditional jazz with lots
of soulful sax.

Thiels were intended from the beginning, and I planned to by NAD electronics
and cd machine, which the stereo guy (small upper end shop, mostly by
appointment) said ought to be satisfactory, even though other stuff was better.

At his insistance, i auditioned the cal audio machine - i had thought it would
make no difference. my 29 year old son was with me - good thing, 'cause i would
have doubted my sanity otherwise.  The difference was like night and day.
Once having heard my auditioning music on the cal audio, the nad sounded
awful - muddy, muffled, no clarity & brilliance.

i bought the cal audio and was so annoyed by nad's performance (if they
make this poor a cd machine, can they do anything right?) that i didn't
buy any of their stuff.
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From: kjt001@dunix.drake.edu (Devil Bunny!)
Subject: Impedence and Loudness control - explain, please...
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:34:09 GMT

I have a couple of things I'm curious about.  I'm looking for relatively
basic definitions, but not the kind of definition you'd have to give
your grandparents....


1>  What exactly is impedence?  I know it has to do with speaker
resistance, but how do amplifiers react to it? What are common
impedences?  I know that my Infinity speakers are rated at 6 ohms, but
what does that mean, exactly?  Is it better to have an amp hooked up for
a higher or lower impedence than the speakers if you can't match it
exactly?  What are the effects of either one?

2>  Is the loudness control on receivers anything more than a bass
booster?


Thanks for any help!


-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
|                        Kevin Tieskoetter                                |
|   kjt001@acad.drake.edu                     kjt001@dunix.drake.edu      |
|                               Drake University                          |
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From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: mfsl uhqr dsotm
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:04:51 GMT

In article <3340339@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:

>Wow, I remember "I've got the Music in Meeee" well.  Got me interested in
>Audio in '75 in the Dorms of UCB.  Listened to it MANY times on a guys
>Dynaco ST50 or ST70 and Magnaplane speakers and some TT with touch pads
>to turn it on and off.  I have the CD version today and it doesn't sound
>as good as I remember it back in '75 (but then fond memories are usually
>better than the present).

Your memory is probably better than you realize.  The CD, made from an
analog tape, is a pale copy of the original DD.    I have both.  The
disk wins EVERY time, even for untrained ears.

>If I remember, that recording was done direct to disc and had wonderful
>clarity and dynamic range.

Still does.


-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill@bilver.uucp
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
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From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)
Subject: Some bunk, was Re: polarity inversion
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 12:54:21 GMT

I don't intend to necessarily challenge or support the notion of absolute
phase, but there are some misconceptions bordering on bunk here...

In article <1993Jan3.064402.19553@guinness.idbsu.edu> Dave Jensen <djensen@claven.idbsu.edu> writes:

> The audibility of absolute polarity (which, by the way, is not a function
> of time, as is phase) will be most noticeable with a high-transient,
> low-frequency signal (below 60 Hz). The impact of a prominent, well
> recorded kick drum will be weaker if the speaker polarity is opposite that
> of the assumed correct recording polarity where a positive pressure
> produced a positive voltage at the microphone. 

There is no such thing, by your description, as a "high-transient, low
frequency signal (below 60 Hz)." This is a common misconception. First,
the term "high transient" is pretty meaningless. If a signal exhibits
transient behaviour, showing abrupt and short term chnages, it contains,
by definition, a lot of high frequency information and relatively little
low frequency information. If it is predominately low frequency, it
cannot, by definition, have "transient" characteristics. If it has both,
it has broadband characteristics. 

> A very simple test to satisfy your curiosity would be to listen to the
> difference in woofer sound quality as you apply a battery across the
> terminals of your speaker cabinet. I believe you'll find the compression
> wave produced by a positive voltage on the positive terminal (pushing the
> speaker outward) will yield the more satisfying thump. 

There are a wide variety of reasons why such an experiment might generate
positive results. First, the whole issue of which constitutes a "more
satisfying thumb" is purely subjective. Secondly, such an experiment test
the speaker's step response, something speakers are universally and by
definition very poor at, so what does the experiment prove? Third,
depending upon the voltage of the battery, you may very easily succeed at
uncovering the common mechanical and electro-magnetic unsymmetries in most
loudspeakers, so you may be doing nothing more than deciding which kinds
of distortion you prefer.
-- 
|                Dick Pierce                |
|    Loudspeaker and Software Consulting    |
| 17 Sartelle Street   Pepperell, MA  01463 |
|       (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX)      |
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Is Laserdisc _really_ robust ?
Keywords: Laser Disk, fiber optic output
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:15:05 GMT

>noted several comments that concluded "... LD is more robust than
>video tape ..." 

They're a lot harder to snap, especially since they don't get rewound and
are read without contacting a head.  Magnetic fields don't matter, and you
don't have to worry about the oxide flaking off of the substrate.

>But, is it _really_ ? Sure tapes seem to wear out at a rate of knots in the
>rental arena.

Rate of knots?

>But would you trust a 12" _expensive_ LD to a pack of "typical"
>video rental freaks?

Not one of mine, *but*:

 o An LD renter is likely to have a few more clues than the typical VHS
   renter.
 o A rental store doesn't really care about their media anyway.
 o A local mostly-VHS rental place has a couple of dozen LD's, including
   several of the obscure Criterion releases and a copy of the Aliens set.
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From: borchers@poogh.llnl.gov (Robert R. Borchers)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Laser Disk combi players...
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.164532.737@news.ysu.edu> lou@yfn.ysu.edu (Lou  
Anschuetz) writes:
> Not having been a reader of these groups in the past, I'm now coming
> to you because I have a high level need for a Laser Disk player and
> am a bit concerned that for this much bread I buy the best piece
> I can.  BTW, this much bread translates to between $400-$600.
> 
> EVERY store under the sun is carrying the Pioneer gear, which has
> terrific specs even at the low end (ie: $400 for the P1LDS2OF).  Lots
> of acquaintances tell me that Pioneer stuff is still not good, though
> a lot of high end audio stores carry it exclusively now, leading
> to my puzzlement.
> 
(stuff deleted)
--
I have had a Pioneer CLD 909 for about 5 years and have absolutely no  
comlaints about it. It was a sort of second generation combi player. I  
suspect the new ones are even better. My only gripe is that it, like many  
such, does not let you take advantage of the CD's that are indexed. Bob

Robert R. Borchers
L-414
Livermore, Ca 94551
borchers@llnl.gov
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From: michaels@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Adam Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: New jazz release
Summary: A new record in jazz
Keywords: New jazz record
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:08:49 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hello:   I have recently finished a new record of original music in the
style of progressive jazz ie:  Metheny, Brecker/Steps,  Chick Corea,
W. Shorter, Haden ect.

The record features Eric Marienthal (saxophone Chick Corea's Electrik
Band), Dean Koba, Christoph luty, Todd Trible.

I would like to promote this record this year & will send free promo
copies to all interested parties.  Just cover my costs...postage/chrome-
cassette.

Best wishes,

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Michael Adam Schmidt                           michaels@aludra.usc.edu
Uni. Of Southern Cal.
Academic Computing Center                      michaels@scf.usc.edu
SAL CS Project

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U N I V E R S I T Y  O F  S O U T H E R N  C A L I F O R N I A  /  M U S I C
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 20:37:15 CST
From: <U37426@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Carver and the FAQ

     Just reading the new faq today and was confused about one thing.  Why is
Carver singled out for a question?  That does not make sence.  Do the FAQ
writers have a grudge against Carver?  They are not the only company that can
be questioned about their products.


For that matter, it seems that many netters like to beat up on Carver.
Is this because they do not belive that something good can be purchased for
less money?


i am a quite confused Carver owner.   (another example of people listening
without their ears!)
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