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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Deja Vu all over again (OSU, Wisconson, putrid play calling)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:28:44 EST
Reply-To: skip
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: news


	Sure, they played lousy.  Poor execution.  Horrible play calling (that
should be OSU's new logo), etc. etc. etc.

	OSU has a history of doing this, with Wisconson, no less.

	My major gripe is the "let's run, run, run, run,..." play calling. 
Cooper does it.  Bruce did it.  Hayes did it.  The difference is, it worked for
Hayes.  The Big 10 is different now, and trying to establish a running game at
all costs is useless.

	When Herbstreit was finally allowed to direct a passing series, BOOM!
OSU scored.  Yet Cooper insists on waiting until it is too late to go to a
passing game.

	AHHHHHHHHHHHH!  It's Earl Bruce all over again, only without the same
level of talent.

	Sigh.

	Thrust those daggers, kick us while we're down, you OSU-denigrators. 
This is your day in the sun.

	But we'll be back.  We'll be 10-2.  We'll lose to Michigan.  But not to
anyone else.

	Guess I can't send in any more OSU #1 votes.  (For a while :).

Brett                                                      
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: More SWC rumor-mongering
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:42:06 GMT

In an interview with the Houston Chronicle last week, R. C. Slocum
said that if A&M left the SWC, the only conference that made a lot
of sense to him for A&M to join was the SEC.  He heavily downplayed 
all the other rumored conferences as well.  (Of course, this is just
the coach's opinion)


-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"Grandpa, why do you have to wear that funny hat?"
"Why - it wouldn't be a lodge if we didn't have hats!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: alvstad@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Division 3 Game of the Year
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:31:42 GMT

In article <QemxRCy00WBMQ_PoFj@andrew.cmu.edu> Jason Matthew Grusky <jg4r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>    The winner of Saturday's matchup between Carnegie Mellon University
>(Pittsburgh) and Allegheny College (Meadville, Pa) could be a good
>indicator of who will win this year's Division 3 national championship. 
>But who cares... 

I care, but neither of those teams will win the D-III title.
St. John's of Collegeville, MN will not be touched all year.  I was convinced of
this after they dismantled the team that was supposed to challenge them for the
MIAC title this year, St. Olaf, by a score of 62-7.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

Go Oles!!  Go Gophers!!  Die CU scum sucking woofmongers!!
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Big 8 Standings (10-1-92)
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:35:33 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Big Eight Conference Football Standings

Colorado	4-0-0
Kansas St.	2-0-0
Kansas		3-1-0
Nebraska	3-1-0
Oklahoma St.	2-1-0
Oklahoma	2-1-0
Iowa St.	2-2-0
Missouri	0-3-0

No conference games have been played yet this season.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wledder@cs.ulowell.edu (William Ledder)
Subject: What happened to Big East contest?
Originator: wledder@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:48:32 GMT


Did I miss it, or were there no results posted for the Big East prediction
contest? I want to see if I have gotten out of the cellar yet :)

Bill Ledder
University of Mass. at Lowell
From: asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JonaX)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:32:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct4.133251.16327
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

Well, well, well....Virginia is now 5-0....hmmmmmm

Up next Clemson....at Virginia....

Even though Clemson is coming from a big win over a small team, I 
think Clemson will LOOSE!!!!!    Virginia will be 6-0.

Up next....North Carlolina....noooooo problem....Virginia will be 7-0.

Up next....William & Mary.....cake...Virginia will be 8-0.

Then FLORIDA STATE! @ Virginia.  I think Virginia will have a good
chance at an upset here....possibly leaving Virgina 9-0.

Last two....NC State and Va Tech....should leave Virginia UNDEFEATED!

         Go VIRGINIA.....11-0!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau)
Subject: UW vs NIU *another gasp*
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:15:51 CDT

For those of you interested, the Chicago Tribune reported that video
tapes of Wisconsin's 18-17 comeback over NIU shouldn't have been.  Not
only did Bevell's knee go down before he reached the endzone, the
endzone was never reached.  Some NIU players say this could be the
inspiration to go undefeated the rest of the year (and if they play that
solidly, I think they can do it).

I also think that a lot of people saw this w/o any replays... I personally
didn't think he got in until the officials hands went up.  Bevell IS an
awful runner... he doesnt have good field vision, and he dives early.

Does anoyone have news on Michigan State... Are they really playing as
badly as they did last year?

Johne.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: question: rules concerning missed/blocked fieldgoals
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:22:47 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <lcei8rINNn9r@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> gerke@hydra1b.cs.utk.edu writes:

> In the last 2 Tennessee games there has been a blocked field goal and a missed 
> fieldgoal from the 3 yard line.  
> 
> what are the rules for placing the ball for the change of possession? 
>   for the missed attempt from the 3 they placed it at the 20 is that because the 
> ball went out the back of the end-zone?

If the line of scrimmage is inside the 20, the ball comes back to the 20;
otherwise, it returns to the previous spot.

If it never leaves the end zone, it may be downed there (in which case see
above) or returned like a punt [I'm not *quite* sure on what happens if the
kicking team reaches it first, or if it never gets to the end-zone :(].
 
> Where is the ball placed if the attempt is blocked?  where it goes out of
> bounds, or is recovered?

A blocked kick, IMHO, is not a separate item in the rules.  If it ever crossed
the line of scrimmage, it is a missed FG/XP as described above; if not, I
think it is treated like a fumble by the kicker [legally, not statistically.]

Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ohmann@sabaad.larc.nasa.gov (Daring Dale Douglas)
Subject: FSU v. Miami
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:54:58 GMT

OK, so the 'Canes were caught looking ahead.  It's no surprise since
the FSU/Miami game winner will be front runner for the MNC (no matter how
good Washington may look this week).

Every year I think the Seminoles have a team that can beat Miami, but 
something usually goes wrong.  At least Miami has already played their 
Ace-in-the-Hole for this season (getting lucky by their opponent missing 
the game winner at the buzzer).

The history of this series is that the road team has the advantage.  The
Orange Bowl winning streak is in jeopardy, also.  It would have been nice 
if Arizona could have started the new Orange Bowl losing streak so that
the 'Noles could extend it.

Anyway, down to the game:  

Both teams need a better running game.  Toretta is good but his protection
and receivers are not as good as in previous years.  FSU needs a better 
running game, also.  The OL is coming along, but Miami should give them
trouble.  Ward is continuing to improve.  The Seminole receivers are 
looking good.  Ward's scrambling ability may be the difference here.

Both defenses are tops.  You could make a helluva track team out of these
guys.  It's probably going to be a relatively low scoring game.  The old 
"Big Play" will be the difference.  

Special teams are a question.  Does Miami have a field goal kicker to 
replace Huerta?  Has FSU actually found a reliable kicker in Mowrey?  

Will crowd noise be a factor?  A factor, yes; a deciding factor, no!
The 'Noles are used to hostile stadiums.  Bowden knows about the Orange
Bowl so he won't be surprised by the environment there.

In the end: (Prediction)

	FSU    20
        Miami  19

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: What everyone who missed the ND-Stanford game wants to know
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:44:11 GMT

Was Rick Mirer really crying on the sidelines during the 4th quarter?

GT
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Purdue vs. Northwestern
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:39:15 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


I was at the game saturday (thus missing the annual Wisconsin beating
of OSU...argh), and have a few comments.

There were some very strange coaching decisions.  Matt Pike was
playing horribly, consistently throwing high and behind his receivers.
Yet, Colletto didn't replace him until the score was 28-7 in the
fourth quarter.  Scott Hoffman came in, and the offense was
immediately energized.  The QB could suddenly throw, the RBs could
run, and the receivers could catch.  So, what took so long for
Colletto to replace Pike?  (Rumor here is that Hunter's injury has
flared up, so that's why he didn't play)

Why did Purdue go for it on 4th and 10, at about the 20 yard line?
4th and 1, sure, but 4th and 10?  They were down 14 at the time, with
what seemed like ample time for two more drives. The defense had been
stuffing NU in the second half, and the offense had been working well
(Hoffman was in).  Why not kick the FG and get the touchdowns later?
As I said, 4th and 1, I'd have gone for it, but 4th and 10 is almost
unmakable.

Purdue got nailed for at least three unsportsmanlike conduct plays.
The first was questionable, but the later ones were obvious.  The last
one was especially damning, as it gave NU the ball on Purdue's 10 yard
line after a great punt return by #2 (I can't remember the name, but
he was on fire).  This is a mark of poor coaching (except if you're
Bill Walsh :-).

The special teams sucked.  As mentioned, Purdue gave up a great punt
return, and let Northwestern convert 4th and a mile with a fake punt.

All in all, it looks like a long season.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
          Did you use yew boughs to make the bows to shoot the ewes?

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rszczerb@joplin.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: ND-Miami (more and more)
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:02:56 GMT

rticle <1992Sep25.190344.10389@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>
>The Canes do not need anyone in order to gain respectability, our respectability
>comes when our team steps on the field. Don't fool yourself and over emphasize
>ND's importance or lack of it. In case you haven't noticed we currently have an
>unblemished won loss record this year ie. NO TIES. If you want respectability
>have your AD schedule the Canes next year, we some open dates. Then let's see
>who is respectable and who is vanquished. Personnally I don't think a team with
>a TIE is a worthy Canes opponent this year in a major bowl game. I'd prefer someone
>with a perfect UNBLEMISHED record like the Huskies. The Canes play ND this year?
>Ha your not worth the effort.
>
>John T.
>
Sure John, whatever you say.  First you guys schedule a Division I-AA
powerhouse, Florida A&M ... and then you almost lose to Arizona at
HOME.  Notre Dame at least tied a respectable team ... let's see how
the mighty Canes do against a real opponent.  If this Saturday was any
indication, I think the loyal Cane fans are in for a LONG season.

                - rob


P.S. Thank's for continuing to make such wonderful bonhead comments
     like your last few postings.  If anyone thought Miami fans had
     even the slightest bit of intelligence, you probably changed their
     minds.  Thanks again.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Bowl alliance a crock!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  2 Oct 1992 18:41 EST  

In article <1992Oct1.153220.20004@intelhf.hf.intel.com>, sting@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Joe Bennett) writes...
>Don't even think you can set up a tournament system.  How many teams
>to invite there? 16? That gives you
> 4 weeks of playoffs, but most polls go to 20 teams.
>Which 4 get screwed?  Most polls have
> great differences in the 15-25 spots, so you
>are back to standardizing some poll again.
>  And don't think 4 more weeks of college
>football won't create problems in itself.
> 
>Joe -- somehow I think I'm gonna get flamed. :)
> 

I'm going to keep proposing this until it is adopted.  What is needed is a 
tournament, structured within the existing bowl games.  Last year, 36 teams 
got bowl bids.  This tournament could be made a 32 team deal, including the 
top 25, conference champions, with a few at-large bids.  The 6 div I-A win 
rule would still apply, leaving very few qualified teams out.  This takes 
five weeks to play--four weeks in December and New Year's Day.

It is essential that the existing bowls be preserved, and that the National 
Champion be determined on NYD, otherwise it'll never fly.  The Championship 
Game would rotate among the traditional Big Four Bowls (Rose, Cotton, Sugar
, and Orange), the Final Four would include two of the others, and the round 
of eight would include the remaining one plus the Fiesta, Citrus, and 
Blockbuster.  Which is which could be determined by seeds based on pre-bowl 
ranking.  And so on, backwards, until you get to the Copper and Las Vegas 
bowls (or how ever many it takes to fill out the full tournament--a couple 
games might have to be eliminated).

This scheme determines a NC beyond argument, preserves the tradition of the 
bowls, and preserves the big money of the big money bowls.  Everybody happy
.

R Dendy

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: woodle1@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kim woodle)
Subject: Re: Weekend WacK UPdate
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:25:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.171817.11509@news.Hawaii.Edu> bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:
>
>9/28/91
>Wyo 26 Louisvill 24
>
Is this score correct? I thought I saw the score the other way around on
ESPN. Couldn't find it in the paper.
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The only things UW Band does well
Date: 1 Oct 1992 23:50:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct1.145531.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>>Why do you think Madison has city ordinances against some songs being played?
>>>The band and the fans would destroy Camp Randall.
>
>I've been to Camp Randall, it's a concrete slab, nothing could break it.
   
   True, but I believe the upper deck started to sway once (or maybe more)
   when the band played the Bud Song at halftime of a game.

   --salty


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: blythes@cs.rpi.edu (Stephen Blythe)
Subject: Re: Div II rankings?
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:51:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.165104.13545@infonode.ingr.com>, ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington) writes:
|> 
|> Could someone please post or email the current Div II rankings.
|> 
|> Thanks
|> Bob E.

a good source for this info (as well as I-AA rankings) is 

	clari.sports.football.college

(it's moderated, and as such, you don'y have to wade through so much BS to
find what you wanted ....)

-steve

  ==================================================================
  Stephen A. Blythe                |    RPI
  Dept. of Computer Science        |  "where Hell has finally
  Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute |      thawed out ..."
  blythes@sirius.cs.rpi.edu        |
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 My views do not necessarily reflect those of the bozos surrounding me.

				"NO MORE
			       BU__ SH__"
From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ex-Purdue QB Brian Fox
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:16:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BvBq7v.AI4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> greens@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn Green) writes:
>Does anybody in netland remember this guy?  He was really good as a freshman,
>but then transferred to somewhere in Florida.  Anyone know where, and if he
>ever played / plays?
>
>
Last I heard, he went to Florida.  Big mistake.  He's probably the backup
QB behind Matthews.  Any Gators verify this?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Stanford banned again
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date:  2 Oct 92 07:29:42 GMT

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>In article <randall.717877452@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

>>This is the problem that I have with so-called "humorous"
>>marching bands.  It is very easy to do a "timely",
>>"witty" show in front of 50,000 people and cause offense
>>to a lot of people, especially when you try to deal with
>>politics.  Frankly, I go to a college football game to
>>get away from day-to-day conflicts like politics. 

>You know, Randall, after reading your post, it occurred to me that
>the Stanfurd and U$C bands have at least three things in common:

>1. Both are at schools where money talks

Whatever.

>2. Both know that what they do irritates other people

Yeah, but at least we have a group that we're trying to entertain (our
students).  The USC band's sole purpose appears to be annoying everybody else.

>3. Neither care

This is incorrect -- the USC band LIKES to offend everyone.

>There you have it:  Stanfurd's and U$C's bands are as alike as two
>peas in a pod.

That'll be a cold day in hell.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Who is number 1?
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:09:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.164454.23680@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
|> In article <ASH.92Oct5090713@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
|> >
|> >Washington - played poorly against USC
|> >Miami - exciting but sloppy game.  Good defense.  Offense shaky all year.
|> >FSU - Nope.  Lost a game.
|> >Michigan - Perhaps the best team in the country right now, but has a tie.
|> >Texas A&M - barely beat texas Tech.
|> >
|> >
|> >Only Michigan had a good game this week in the top five.  Hopefully,
|> >
|> I think you had better start including UT in your calculations of the top five
|> and MNC race!!!!
|> 
|> Dale
 	Should UT or Bama (unlikely but possible) go undefeated they will be
	#1.  You can't deny a 13-0 record !!!  If UT can overcome my Tide
	then they will be the champs.

				my 2 cents

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hadar@boreas.Stanford.EDU (Hadar Avi-Itzhak)
Subject: Stanford Football Tickets for saleeets
Organization: Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:43:16 GMT

I have tix for stanford games I can't go to, and am willing to sell
them at my cost which is 6$ per game (unless I have multiple people who
want them).

The games are as follows:
Arizona Oct. 17
USC Nov 7
Washington St. Nov 14

write me e-mail with your requests and if you're the only one, I'll give
it for 6$. 
Keywords: 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Best Marching Band -- Blue Band ?
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  2 Oct 92 07:35:03 GMT

Spiro the Spiny Goldfish <MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <92275.214458KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>, Kurt Ludwick
><KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>>
>>In article <92273.112426JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu>, John Johnson
>><JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>>
>>>Penn State does have a music major available.
>>
>>Ironically, music majors generally don't have TIME for marching band. Strange
>>but true.

>Music majors *think* they don't have enough time. Many others disagree.

Interesting note for those of you following all the marching band threads:
The current drum major of the Stanford Band is a double-major in music and
mechanical engineering.  He has also arranged a large number of the songs we
currently play.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: Virginia Football 
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:42:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.200109.19201@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:
>Another thing... why can't George Welsh and our Athletic
>department be given credit for what they've been able to do? 
>George has built a national power from a program that in 94 years
>had NEVER GONE TO A BOWL GAME.  It had just three winning seasons

He has been given credit, Roy. Welsh was the Coach of the Year
last year. Under Welsh, Virginia has established themselves as a 
perennial Top-25 team and bowl contender. Most people recognize
that Virginia is a program that came from nowhere to being a
winning team and one of the top programs in the ACC and is
widely respected for that achievement. We are not, however, at the
level of Florida State and Miami and trying to put us there 
(not that you are, but some other posters have tried) is getting
a little carried away, IMHO. If Virginia keeps winning games (and
starts winning bowl games, which we haven't done in a while), the
recognition will come.




-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.