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From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji)
Subject: Re: Def Leppard molests small children! SLAYER RULZ!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:24:24 GMT


ewk@kraken.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
: 
: If you don't play guitar, shut up.  If you do, I expect to see full
: musical explanations.  I have all the Slayer and Def Leppard albums,
: so you should be able to reference any songs you want.

If you want to discuss the details of how they play guitar, go to
alt.guitar.  Suaron was just mentioning the fact that any Slayer
song kicks the shit out of Def Leppard's stuff.

: Dead Skin Mask is a pretty slow song with a few power chords.  The solos
: are pretty basic.  A pretty poor song if you're trying prove Kerry
: King's "awesome" skill.

Just because it's a "slow" song doesn't mean that it sucks.  Hell,
it's faster than most of Leppard's stuff.  And you say Slayer's
got "a few power chords?"  Are you sure you're not talking about
DL now?  Get your facts straight, poser.

lADA,

Maple

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Use of term "progressive rock"
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:30:50 GMT

feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:

>Some friends and I have been fervently arguing about 
>the use of the term "progressive rock".  I say its
>used to describe groups like Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd,
>and REM and they say its used to describe groups
>like New Order and REM.  (At least we agree about 
>REM.)  Am I right about Rush, etc being "progressive
>rock" bands?

The term has been used to overkill so much that it's nearly as useless as
using "new age" to describe music. 

I think the idea originally was that progressive music was made by bands
that progressed, changed and grew, that didn't always just do the same 
thing. And it might have been tied into the progressive politics of the 
hippies in the sixties but progressive music (with the exception of some
euro progressive stuff like RIO -Rock In Opposition) has never had an
implied political content lyrically or anything like that. 

I think it was mostly used to describe the bands in the 60's and early 70's 
that were exploring new musical ground in mixing rock with jazz and classical
and progressing away from the minimalist rock of the fifties. Isn't it 
interesting how back then it seemed like music would continue to get more
complex and then suddenly over the last decade popular music has gone the
other way and moved towards simplicity and minimalism. Some songs now are
just melody and a beat! REM and NEW ORDER are not bands I would consider
progressive but the term has been so abused you can do whatever you want
with it now. 

 - malcolm@wrs.com
From: Daniel.S.Richman@dartmouth.edu (Daniel S. Richman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Let's get rocked
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:08:17 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Thanks, Suaron.  I'm glad you don't like Def Leppard.  We all are
enriched by your cosmic opinion.

Get back to rnr.metal and continue with your boyfriend Maple to rid the
world of posers.

And by the way, Phil Collen is a much better guitar player than Kerry
King.



I know you don't have a life, so try to keep your thousands of posts
elsewhere because on this board, YOU are the poser, by your own terms,
you jerkoff.



                                                            Dan        
                                      
                                          
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From: gary@rocker.ingr.com (Gary Braswell)
Subject: Re: Rush's YYZ  (trivia tidbits)
Keywords: rush
Reply-To: gary@rocker.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:40:09 GMT

> 
> If memory serves, the author and the story are credited on the jacket of
> "Moving Pictures".  Don't remember the name...Anybody read the real story?
> (Besides Neil, apparently)
> 
> Later.
> -- 
> Jeremy L. Hart				jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu
> "As opaque warriors, we ride alone
>  Guarding our secrets with souls of stone
>  Waiting for someone who holds the key
>  Do you hold it...do you hold the key to my heart..."
> 	- "Apache Teardrops," copyright 1991 by Bill Fillbach and Steve Estes
> 


	No, I haven't read the book, but I *DID* see part of a movie that
	looked *REMARKABLY* like the story of Red Barchetta.  All I can
	remember is that it had Lee Majors and some kid in it, and they were
	racing across what was left of the U.S. to escape the authorities
	who had outlawed automobiles.

	Does ANYBODY have any clue as to what I am talking about?

	-----
	Gary.

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From: pfloyd@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (Adam Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:05:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr16.150552.2675
Reply-To: pfloyd@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (Adam Johnson)
Organization: Old Pink, care of the Funny Farm, Chalfont

In article <1992Apr12.183826.12313@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
|> becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker) writes:
|> }rone@skat.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri) writes:
|> }>Is there a Pink Floyd album besides "The Final Cut" in which there is not at
|> }>least one instrumental track? 
|> }Meddle
|> 
|> One of these days is really an instrumental
|> 
|> }Wish You Were Here
|> }Animals
|> 
|> -- 
|>  Alexander Feygin | "If I go insane, please don't put your wires
|> a-feygin@uiuc.edu |    in my brain" -- Roger Waters


	What about The Wall? I figured someone would have said that one...

**************************************************************
pfloyd@wpi.wpi.edu	Ein, zwei, drei, aha!
	A soul in tension that's learning to fly
	Condition grounded but determined to try
The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think
	Oh, by the way, which one's Pink?
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
	I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
-------------------/\+++++++++++++++++++\/--------------------
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:9571 alt.rock-n-roll.metal:6534 alt.config:2870
From: becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.config
Subject: RFD: alt.rock-n-roll.hard
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:08:09 GMT
Organization: UB

I would like to see the group alt.rock-n-roll.hard created for the following
reasons:

	1.) On alt.rock-n-roll.metal, there is a long-running debate as
		to whether groups such as Guns N Roses and Def Leppard
		should be discussed on the group.

	2.) Alt.rock-n-roll provides too broad a musical base for discussions
		of such groups to flourish.

This group will be unmoderated, and will be for the discussion of groups that
are labeled "hard rock" (i.e.: Guns N Roses, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, et al.)

Any supporters?

--Don

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
From: djb6@quads.uchicago.edu (dennis joseph brennan)
Subject: Re: Tony Levin, Bass & Stick Player
Reply-To: djb6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.214835.5117@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.173748.23702@acsu.buffalo.edu> v056rcrx@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Chuck, the Fencing God) writes:

>
>>P.S.- Check out DISCIPLINE by KING CRIMSON (Bruford on drums, Levin on Stick)
>
>PPS: Check out some of Peter Gabriel's works (like Security) where
>     Levin plays stick and bass.
>
PPPS:  Tony Levin also played bass on Pink Floyd's _Momentary_Lapse.
According to the ABWH concert program, 
"Tony Levin is one of music's most sought after talents.  Tony's resume
reads like a rock'n'roll "Who's Who": John Lennon, Pink Floyd, Peter
Gabriel, Paul Simon...King Crimson"  It was Bruford's idea to invite Levin
to join the band.  I hope he stays.  I was kind of disappointed that he
wasn't present for the UNION shows.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Subject: Re: Poison are posers
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:58:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.153644.7769@seas.gwu.edu> maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
>Finally someone who listens to real music!

	The "real" music argument rages on. What you music elitists end up
with is nothing less than less music in your world than the rest of us 
have in ours. This is intended for the ears of rap-bashers, too. In
_your_ world, this, that and the other thing are not music. In _your_ world,
firs are not part of nature, nor are sunsets, etc. In other words, what
I allow as music is __________ in your world. I have more music, you have more
____________. I'll take the music anytime, and you can have the __________.
[Replace _________with the word(s) of your choosing- shit, crap, bullshit,
or, if you have other(s), other definition(s)]. What I wind up with is a world
FULL of music, you wind up with 1/2 shit, 1/2 music. So be it.

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Turned out to be true; you're guilty of reason."- Lou Reed
From: cthulhu@wave.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Def Leppard..something missing?
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:38:04 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <ku4741INNdon@corvus.usc.edu> rone@corvus.usc.edu (Man on a Mission) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.204700.26079@ncsu.edu> jlwoodal@warfield.garcia.edu writes:
>>Is everyone forgetting a pretty important fact here?
>>Hysteria SUCKED!!!
>
>No, it was pretty good; it was just overplayed.
>
  Nope. He was right. It sucked.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: bakoj@sage4c.its.rpi.edu (James J. Bako)
Subject: SLAYER (CD for sale)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:09:22 GMT

     Slayer:   "Decade of Agression" Live double-CD for sale.
                original edition. Large book with pix included.
                discs play without skipping.
 
         price: $20 (shipping included,U.S.) or best reasonable offer.

James
mail:bakoj@rpi.edu

                "And as you try to liberate the world
                 Remember what I say:
                 'Give and take's not how i live
                  I fucking take, you better give'"
                        -Exhorder "Soul Search Me"

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: st1hz@rosie.uh.edu (Meyers, David C.)
Subject: Re: LZ Lyrics Humble Request
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.204018.10096@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (William Stocker) writes...
>In article <1992Apr9.134006.39172@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> caruso@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II ~~~) writes:
>>     Somebody please send me the lyrics to Led Zeppelin's original album,
>>you know, the one starting with "Black Dog."      
> 
>FYI, that's their FOURTH album!

Try the FTP site cs.uwp.edu under pub/music/lyrics/files/led.zeppelin I
believe.

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From: LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: CD packaging
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:04:47 GMT
 <1992Apr13.153321.1@acad3.alaska.edu> <12374@tamsun.tamu.edu>
 <14APR199212220948@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>
Organization: Penn State University

>I don't know the whole argument of the plastic box versus the cardboard
>package but I do know that producing plastic of any kind produces much more
>waste than paper products.  To produce plastic raw materials have to be
>mixed and a chemical reaction needs to take place.  Then the mixture has
>to be separated and the prime material is used for the plastic.  The rest
>is usually waste which is buried, pumped into the ground or incinerated.

I can't claim to know the details of the process either, but I can't see
that plastic from CD boxes is a major problem. Just look around the room...
EVERYTHING is plastic. CD boxes have to be such a minor percentage of the
whole plastic industry that it seems ridiculous to make such a big deal
over it when there are so many larger consumers of plastic.

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
From: djb6@quads.uchicago.edu (dennis joseph brennan)
Subject: Re: YESYEARS Question
Reply-To: djb6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:14:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.202701.19818@ncsu.edu> jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu writes:
>>All i know is that Wakeman complained that the new Yes (Rabin-era) producers
>>not only OVERPRODUCED, but went as far as to digitally change the actual 
>>notes and instruments that Wakeman had already recorded!!!!
>
>You idiot.
 
None of that now, we all have "YES" in common.  We should be friends. ;-)

>Jonathan Elias has never even WORKED with the "Rabin-Era"
>Yes.  Matter of fact, the first ABWH is merely an Anderson solo album
>with Bruford, Wakeman, and Howe used as session players.  Anderson had
>everything worked out, and the others just came in and did their thing,
>except for Bruford, who did his parts at home.  "Squire-Yes" (Cinema)
>used Eddie Offord for much of the newer material, most of which has not
>been released yet.  (Eddie Offord, for those of you who don't know but
>still seem to have opinions, is the old Yes producer)
>
An ABWH videotape was released which contained, in addition to the videos
for "Brother", "Order of the Universe" and "I'm Alive" showed a little 
documentary coverage of their work in the studio.  Bruford was present and 
indeed even participated in the background vocals for "The Order of the
Universe".  All the members of the band were in the studio (which was on some
Caribbean island, I think, judging by the scenery.)

Dennis Brennan

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji)
Subject: Re: Poison are posers
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:36:44 GMT


stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (needs changing) writes:
: In article <1992Apr13.040139.202@seas.gwu.edu> maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
: >Who cares who joins Poison.  They will still be posers.
: 
:  That was the whole purpose of the damn post!
:  Kotzen is an AWESOME guitarist, and now the fuck is joining
:  bubblegum number one.

So what band did Kotzen come from anyway?

: >Why don't you Poison posers listen to real music like Motorhead,
: >Suicidal Tendencies, and Judas Priest?
: 
: 	Just got Ram it Down and British Steel today.

Finally someone who listens to real music!

: Alex Stevens
: stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu

lADA,

Maple

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Subject: Re: Axl Rose being prosecuted
Reply-To: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 15:03:57 GMT


In a previous article, MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu (Olias of Sunhillow) says:

>I was wondering if there were any shows on the current GNR tour that didn't
>have any problems (ie. cancellation, postponment, the band not going on until 3
>am, etc)
>Mike (mweintr@auvm.american.edu)

Well, when they were here for 2 nights in Philadelphia, they went on at
around 10:45 both nights and played about 3 hours.....
Bill
-- 
You should, have made it a point, to get both of them Daddy! If Sting has
to carry me, on his back down that aisle, if he has to DRAG me in a wagon,
I'm breathing, ya understand? YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT IT DONE! It's violence for
the sake of violence.I will turn it around to MY violence! ==Dusty Rhodes
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
From: marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu (Dave Walker)
Subject: Re: Lush concert dates??
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:25:53 EDT
Organization: U of Michigan Computer Aided Engineering Network
Distribution: world,local

In article <1992Apr9.053710.21399@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> iam30974@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ivan Moscoso) writes:
>
>Or, if possible, maybe the whole thing... maybe this is the reason to drop
>out of it all... and follow in monochrome.. but whichever: i heard that lush
>is pretty decent in concert.. much truth in this?

They're *very* decent live -- the new material, which is none too 
splendiferous on disc, really comes alive onstage.  If there's interest
I'll repost the review I wrote of the Detroit show.

| Dave Walker, Detroit Art Services (DAS)                                |
|                                          "I don't read, I just guess"  |
| marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu       -Happy Mondays, "Wrote For Luck"  |
From: v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Vedderhole
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:15:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have to express major disappoinment with Eddie Vedder's hamhanded segue
into a Mike Stipe caliber preach during Pearl Jam's 2nd number, "Porch", on
SNL last night.  What a putz.  However, I suppose all the music critics in
the nation are going to hail this as a "breakthrough", and hype Pearl Jam
however long it takes for them to break it big, like they did with REM (about
6 years?).

No matter how much I agree with what Vedder had to say, it was a really
condescending, obnoxious, pretentious, insulting way to present it in a wholly
inappropriate forum for doing so.  I suspect that heavy-handed soapbox-ing
of this sort turns off even those folks who agree with Eddie's position on
the stuff he's preaching about.  Same goes for the rowdy gays during Sharon
Stone's opening monologue - this ain't why folks tune in SNL, they tune in
to see stuff that's not funny and to hear the musical guest.

It wouldn't have been so bad if they actually had an anthemic sort of song
with a message, and just performed the song.  Rock bands have been doing
that since there's been rock-n-roll - it's part of what makes rock dangerous
and viable.  But to manufacture this idiotic intermission that didn't even fit
into the song was just pathetic.

Color me extremely disappointed that Eddie Vedder has moved into first place
in the Mike Stipe Wanna-be Derby, because the rest of the band has been
putting out some damn good music for as long as I've been into them, which
means back to Ament and Gossard in Green River.

Preaching aside, Pearl Jam really has to be one of the best live bands around.
They sounded very good despite being on SNL.  Vedder might not be a great
singer, but he doesn't lose anything between studio and stage.  Pearl Jam
will probably hit big at some point, but I want it to be because of the music,
not the extraneous Kurt Loder-fodder they delivered during "Porch".

 Dr.D [The Devils Advocate]    "I'd rather be drunk than dead
 v057p7nk@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu    Or go where Jesus led
 awkorbut@acsu.buffalo.edu          So I'll get drunk again
                                      Or maybe not."    - Mark Lanegan
From: aimam@scdt.intel.com (Ahsan Imam ~)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: U2 Tickets
Keywords: U2
Date: 30 Mar 92 00:10:07 GMT
Organization: Design Technology, Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

I need two U2 tickets for Oakland Col.(Bay area) or ARCO
Arena(Sacramento).

I am desperate.

Thanks

---ahsan                   aimam@scdt.intel.com
From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re^2: "Wierd Al" (was: Lola Request)
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:16:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: novavax.3624
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

terryj@apricot.csil.sfu.ca (Terry Olan Jones) writes:

>	Apparently, according to New & Upcoming Release, Weird Al will have a  
>new album out soon. It would be really cool if he did one of his Polka things  
>using heavy metal lyrics, but we'll see...

Along these lines, I just caught the brand new video from Weird Al's
new album. Man, this has got to be his BEST video (on MTV) yet!!
The song is a parody of Nirvana's "Smells like Teen Spirit" and
is entitled, "Smells Like Nirvana." It had me going there for a
while (I saw it like 20 seconds into it) and I thought it *was*
the Nirvana video, but somehow, the words weren't quite right!!

This has got to be one of Weird Al's best videos of all time!!!


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