From: sl930@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Ozone Man theme song
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:49:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <Nov.9.11.28.21.1992.21450@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
> sl930@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>In article <Nov.6.15.06.45.1992.10055@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>> sl930@cc.usu.edu writes:
> 
>>I'll tell you what kind of minds came up with this.  Minds that are concerned
>>that you can take a good thing and go too far.  Minds that think that if it is
> 
> Good things certainly can be taken too far.  I don't know that that is
> happening here.

Okay, some examples: CAFE standards being increased to 45mpg.  Mcdonalds being
pressured into using non-recyclable, non-biodegradable wax paper instead of 
recyclable polystyrene foam.  People putting spikes in trees to kill loggers.
That is way too far!

> 
>>okay to blast V.P. Quayle for 4 years, Gore should be able to handle a little
>>needling as well.
> 
> Quayle deserved it.  Needling Gore just because Quayle has been riduculed for
> the past 4 years is a pretty lame exuse.
> 
Gore deseveres it.  The main scientist who he quotes in his book, said that the
book was wrong and that he was misquoted many times.  Al Gore does not deny
this. Gore said that the scientist, who passed away, was taken out of context
when he made these negative claims on Al's book.


>>More than anything, it was humor.  Lighten up a bit, you'll live longer.
> 
> I see very little to laugh on this issue.  There are enough people who 
> don't take this seriously without you encouraging them.  Why don't you
> write a silly song about AIDS patients and the people working to help
> them?  Or how about writing a song about the people doing cancer research?

I agree that AIDS and Cancer are serious, and that the environment is important
as well.  However, it is time for truth.  I am tired of being a sheep and
listening to people who are not scientist (such as Al Gore) spouting incorrect
facts. 
 
>>Oh, and as for my mother~r watching what I'm doing, I don't know.  But
> I can tell >you my father isn't around to watch very often... He has
> been in Antarctica >quite a lot in the last 8 years.  He's a
> Geophysist, doing atmosophiric >research on the ozone layer.  You
> should hear him talk.  But then, you have >already learned all about
> the environment in elementary school, right?
> 
> What does he tell you?  "Don't worry son, the hole isn't that big.
> At the rate its going, it won't even effect us until after you and
> I are both dead, so who cares."
> 
> I don't personally know any geophysists, but I know enough scientists
> to know that if you that scientists uncover facts, but they when they
> interpret them, they do so subjectively.  Meaning that the degree to
> which a certain finding is severe is often a matter of opinion.
> 
> I bet if you ask your dad that, he would agree.
> 
Guess what? Wrong again.  Dad, and other good scientists, will tell you that
science is supposed to be objective.  Hard facts are not things open to
subjectivity.  For instance, the Ozone layer accounts for less than 1% of our
UV radiation blockage, and there is strong evidence that CFCs block UV as well
as the existing Ozone.

Do me a favor, from now on, have some facts when you try to flame.  And before
you whine about being attacked, you set the tone for this with your comments
about my mother, of all things.  Here's a tip...don't ever enter a debate,
unless your frail ego could handle the laughter.
> -- 
> Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
> Publications Coordinator - User Services
> Rutgers University Computing Services
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