HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The real reason strayts reject gay men (was: Lesbian perspective)
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:35:32 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <11842@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>I'm amazed how many of the female homosexuals in soc.motss have
>told of being molested or raped as children.

How many?

And do you realize just how many straight women post in soc.motss? Women
tend to be more accepting of homosexuality than men, you know.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: Cuomo's track record (WAS: Re: Why I cannot vote Democratic)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:54:15 GMT

In article <NELSON.92Aug25232203@sun.clarkson.edu> nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:

>Get a clue -- Cuomo cut taxes in NY.  The only complaint that you might have
>about him is that he didn't cut them as fast as he said he would.

Hmmm... time for a reality check.

Cuomo has pushed to stop the income tax cuts which have been planned
for a few years (part of an act passed years ago), but luckily he
didn't get his way.  Therefore, it is true that he didn't raise INCOME
taxes.

However, he has created exorbitant increases in various fees and other
taxes designed to make people feel that they aren't having more and
more taken away.  A prime example is the 10 cents a quart oil and
lubrication tax added on oil-based lubricants sold in the state.  Other
things like increased state gasoline taxes, higher auto registration
and license fees, and other surcharges have taken effect under him.
The bottom line here is that his increased spending has caused budget
shortfalls, and his creative mind has found ways to hit your wallet in
some other way than income taxes.

Also, take into account the fact that he pushes extremely hard for
bonds (such as the highway bond a few years ago) that we will be
repaying the interest on for YEARS after the monies are gone.  Is it
any wonder that the state's bond rating is in the lowest 5 of the
U.S.?  And best yet, since there is no dedicated funding in the state
(something Cuomo has resisted for years), all that money went into the
general fund.  How much was spent on highways?  Your guess is as good
as mine....

-JPC

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Keys to the election
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:15:07 GMT

The key to the election is how many electoral votes each candidate gets.
Nothing more, nothing less.

(there's a newsgroup called alt.rush-limbaugh? Shouldn't it be called
 alt.smugness?)

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:34:24 EDT
From: <JFL4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: more predictions
 <uqcDqB3w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>
 <LARRY.92Aug31090800@peak.psl.nmsu.edu>

In article <LARRY.92Aug31090800@peak.psl.nmsu.edu>, larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu
(Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) says:
>
>In article <uqcDqB3w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>
>elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>
>  > In article <1992Aug28.150841.13262@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu
>   (alex)
>   >>     A strong president can keep congress in line, look at Ronald Reagans
>   >> first term. Bush just doesn't have any direction, so congress does
>   >> whatever the hell they want.
>   >>
>   >> During Reagan's first term, the Senate was a republican majority.
>
>   Only for the first two years.  And the House hasn't been in GOP hands
>   in almost forty.
>
>Right. So don't blame the Repubs!!
>
>L.
>"Yeh, Buddy..            | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)|  _~~_


God, how many times do we go around on this?  Go get your encyclopedia.
The Republicans gained a majority in the elections of 1980 and lost it
in the elections of 1986 - that's six (6) years.  Much was made of the
fact that the Republicans lost the majority when many "Reagan coat-tail"
Republicans failed to be re-elected.  After losing the majority, they
continued to lose seats in subsequent elections.  I went back and checked
this when it was first called into question.  Look it up!  Or, is this
a Republican's attempt at historical revisionism (The Kremlin would be
so *proud*)?

Senate Population By Congress

         Year    Congress   Democrats  Repros     Others

       1979-1981   96th       58         41          1
       1981-1983   97th       46         53          1
       1983-1985   98th       46         54          0
       1985-1987   99th       47         53          0
       1987-1989   100th      54         46          0
       1989-1991   101st      57         43          0

From the World Almanac Book of Facts, 1990, Page 305

Jeff Luck                                *Standard Disclaimer*
CES Systems Office
Penn State University            "Whatever you want, I'm for."
JFL4@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                  -Dan Quayle to Ohio farmers, 1988
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: GATT/NAFTA/FTA
Summary: 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:06:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.163020.26099@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary writes...
>pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) writes:
>>			    
>>Well isn't that nice. I'm sure that will balance up the trade effects
>>of the maquilidoras quite nicely.
> 
>That last thing that we need in Canada are more blue-collar jobs when
>we have a broad and highly educated but underemployed white collar
>pool.

Pardon? You're saying that your country doesn't need well paying blue-
collar jobs? Please explain. This doesn't make sense. Almost every
country in the world is crying for jobs of any kind.

  -Garrett
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: Increase in millionaires
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 10:29:03 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

In article <l9nnigINN7o@spim.mips.com>, mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug24.134822.3715@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
|> |> 	Why do some people feel that the number of millionaires increasing
|> |> since the last election is a *bad* result?
|> |> 
|> |> 	If that number was 100% of the population (ignoring the inflationary
|> |> effect that would have :), would that be "a bad thing"?
|> |> 
|> |> 	It would seem that anything that helped raise the median income is to
|> |> be looked upon with favor.
|> |> 
|> |> 	Unless you're assuming that economics is a zero-sum game and these new
|> |> millionares did it on the backs of the poor.
|> |> 
|> Sounds resonable to me.  We have more working americans below the poverty
|> level than ever in our history.

Source?  The only report that I've heard about was a Census report (I think)
which made a statement similar to the one you are making.  Unfortunately
the statement is a misrepresentation.  I believe the statement was
that we have more workers earning a wage which is below the poverty
line for a typical family of four.  Unfortunately the results weren't
adjusted for workers who aren't supporting a typical family of four.
Even if your statement were 100% accurate you haven't demonstrated
a cause and effect between the number of millionaires and the number
of people working below the poverty level.


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: why progressive tax rates (was Re: Clinton's Economic plan attacked)
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:23:03 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <80864@bcsaic.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com writes:
>In article 23329@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM, ernie@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Ernie Corley) writes:
>>>I've always had trouble with this. What else are investors going to do with
>>>their money?

>>  Uhhh, I don't know.  Guess they could put it in the bank OR take a 
>>  risk and buy that fixer-upper down the street.  

>This explains why nobody has invested in the stock market since the capital
>gains tax has been in effect, right?  Why do people keep investing if the
>capital gains tax is so bad?  Why don't they bag groceries or sand floors,
>as you suggest?  Some people seem to feel that investment is worth the risk
>even if you do have to pay that horrible tax.  Surprise.

Rick, straw men are a really pathetic debating tactic.  No one has
claimed that the capital gains tax makes all investments in the stock
market uneconomical.  We just say that it makes them less attractive
and therefore that it reduces the level of investment.
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From: cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.rights.human,misc.headlines,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Macedonia: History and Reality
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:28:05 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

About all the quibbling over names:  Who the hell cares!?!

What next?  Are the Russians going to threaten to launch nukes at
Moscow, Idaho unless they agree to change their name?

What I see is a politically influential group in the US using their
power to persuade the administration to not recognize a country.  This
action leaves Serbia with a green light to invade this new country,
whatever it is named.  If this stupid confrontation about a name
persists, we are going to see a human tragedy of immense proportions
brought on because of a quarrel over a name.

--Scott

"I can't stand to see my name used by anyone else, so I demand that
all other Scotts renounce their claim to my name."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Re: US Public Schools: Get Rid of All the Bureaucrats!
Reply-To: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:49:02 GMT

In article <REB.92Aug25165414@cssn06.ssc.gov> you write:
>The answer I believe is to be found in a book by Paul Therou, "Head to Head".

Isn't that Lester Thurow?  The University of Utah library gave me this
when I searched for the title "Head to Head":

 Author:         Thurow, Lester C.

 Title:          Head to head : the coming economic battle among Japan, Europe,
                   and America
 Edition:        1st ed.

 Published:      New York : Morrow, c1992.

 Subjects:       Economic history--1990-
                 Economic forecasting.
                 International economic relations.
                 Japan--Economic policy--1989-
                 European Economic Community countries--Economic policy.
                 United States--Economic policy--1981-

							-- Rich
-- 
	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
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	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
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Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer
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From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:41:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <1992Aug29.135549.21386@tc.cornell.edu> shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore) writes:
    >Claytoon, the Great Net Libertarian, believes that people
    >only deserve their constitutional rights if they're popular.
    >He'd really prefer that he gets to be arbiter, but failing
    >that he'd like to put everyone's rights up for popular vote.

It is very immature of you to make argument by childish name mangling.

Does it make you feel better?

Grow up.

And, glad to see you are starting to realize the immense failings of
democracy. Popular vote sucks doesn't it?

And of course, you are quite wrong about what Clayton prefers. Or
do you now think you can read people's minds? Or perhaps, do you
now think you can read? Your comprehension of posts shows considerable
difficulty in this area ...

    >Not to mention, of course, that he thinks that the appearance
    >in public of Big Hairy Men In Totally Revealing Leather
    >provides justification for throwing a lesbian couple out of
    >their housing or a firing a random gay man from his job.

Really? On what do you base this paranoid fantasy?

    >He *is* a maroon. I'm one of them homosexual liberals, and I
    >fully support the right to keep and bear arms. I always have,
    >but over the past several years it's become increasingly
    >clear that I really do need to make sure that I have some
    >protection from Claytoon and his ilk. There's a rabies
    >epidemic here, after all. -- "I would promptly inform any
    >homosexual who would dare to proposition me that my
    >preference is fisting." -- Theodore A. Kaldis

Interesting. While we all fart, it is generally considered impolite and
a mild form of social disfunction to be blatantly verbal about one's
farting activities. The same can be said about sex, especially the out of
the mainstream forms of sex such as "fisting".

Perhaps someone can help you with this encroaching disabling of your
"social side". Then you can come back to the next and DISCUSS, with
proper and polite flamage, the political issues.

Don't worry, we'll still be talking about NAMBLA, you won't miss much.
Or us you.




-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,alt.politics.elections
From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Another good reason not to vote for Bush
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:42:02 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
|> >
|> >>   When talking about abortions, however, the issue isn't that the woman
|> >>would die.  The issue is that the unborn son or daughter is caught in the
|> >>crossfire because of the actions of the father and mother.
|> >>
|> >>   No, I do not wish to get into another abortion debate.
|> >
|> >I really hate cowards who want to try to get in the last word by debating
|> >then saying they don't want to debate.  If you don't want to debate, don't
|> >post.
|> >
|> 
|> I've already posted lots and made my stand.  I want to keep certain debates
|> to certain threads.  Abortion is a multifaceted issue you can approach
|> from many different angles.  What I am saying is that I do not wish to enter
|> a new angle to the debate.  
|> 
If you really meant this, you would have left out the first paragraph.  You
are the one that injected abortion into the thread.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger? (was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:01:28 GMT

In article <81863@bcsaic.boeing.com>, rwojcik@atc.boeing.com (Richard
Wojcik,snake) writes:

|>In article 2433@news.columbia.edu, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G.
|>Levy) writes:
|>>I believe a fair number of people ENLISTED in the army to avoid going
|>>to Vietnam: the military prefered to send draftees over there, and if
|>>you entered the army willingly, they'd send you to, say, Europe.
|>
|>True, up to a point.  Most people enlisted in ROTC to be able to finish
|>out their college educations.  But then they got whisked away to the 
|>military, and it was commonly held that "second louies" were cannon fodder
|>in Vietnam.  I don't think that many thought of ROTC as a way to get to
|>Europe or Korea, two favored destinations for those who opposed the war
|>from within the military.

All this attempting to find a moral difference between methods of avoiding the
draft seems rather pointless. Clinton opposed the war, Quayle supported it. If
you want to force me to kill people for political purposes that I disagree with
then I have full moral justification to use any means of preventing you from
forcing me to commit what I would regard as murder.

Quayle on the other hand had no such objections. He supported the war and
approved of it. He did not approve of it applying to him though.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
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From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Another good reason to vote for Bush
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:37:03 GMT
Organization: Who, me???

In article <Aug.23.22.51.32.1992.18778@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.052035.22833@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>
>> The Y chromosome clearly confers unsurpassed wisdom and knowledge.
>> That's why we should listen and obey our men sans questions.
>
>Damned straight!  F***in' hey!  [No smiley, and no joke.]
>
>> Similarly, all those female hormones that wash through pre-menopausal
>> women interferes with her clear thinking and right judgement.
>
>And all she needs to straighten her out is a good stiff ... never
>mind.

Sorry, KKKaldis. I've already had my US RDA of raw flamebait...

								- Kevin
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals are like the rest of us, right?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:27:51 GMT

In article <Aug.26.07.48.48.1992.13032@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>For the record, I have never used a tire iron for any purpose other
>than that for which it was designed -- certainly NEVER as a weapon or
>as an instrument with which to threaten anyone.

No, you just lent it to someone else, who did.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

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     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:15:30 GMT
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

Paul Collacchi writes:
>
>This is why political debate under the guise of 'scientific' economics
>is so much fun.  You just pick your own bias and then selectively 
>perceive three or four events which make you right.  Its all good sport
>and you never have to worry about being disproved since who can hold
>enough of the variables constant and run enough trials to disprove you?
>

You are correct, Sir.
And old joke: What are the two chief occupations which are filled by people
              with economics degrees?  Bookkeeping and ax grinding. [Rimshot]

As RL said, "Economics is just how you make your profits."
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Write when you get the chance.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:19:10 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: National Health Care
 <1992Aug25.225246.6226@brownfield.glv.com> <92239.150705DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Aug27.85509.15716@ms.uky.edu>

In article <1992Aug27.85509.15716@ms.uky.edu>, fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
says:

>1) I agree that the supply of alternate providers has not stemmed the
>   rise in cost, but (I believe) that is in large measure due to the
>   fact that most of these have to operate as an adjunct to a physicians
>   office. Not much of a monopoly busting maneuver.

Explain to me why you think monopoly busting will make any contribution
to reducing cost pressures.  Most economic research describes the market
for physician care not as a monopoly, but one which is monopolistic
competitive.  Price competition can occur between physicians.  The problem
is that in these types of markets increases in competition do not necessarily
reduce prices, because the demand curve may become more inelastic as it shifts
inward.  The net effect of increased competition may be to increase prices.
Some empirical research suggests that this has taken place in some markets.

You also seem to assume that the primary source of cost pressures is in
primary care.  In fact, cost increases in primary care are far below those
of specialist care.  While increased powers of physician extenders may
reduce cost increases in primary care, they may have little effect on overall
costs.

>2) Long term relationships between patient-physician is not so long term
>   anymore: HMOs and the recent competition among insurance providers
>   (many of which constrict the insureds choice of physician) have
>   disrupted that for lots of folks.

I think the most recent numbers for the 1987 NMES showed that more than 85%
of insured Americans said they had a regular source of care.  Even if they
are forced by their insurer to limit choices, that may not reduce their
attachment and insensitivity to price differences, once they make their
choice.



Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
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