Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:48:17 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                ACLU responds to Russellville Situation
                               request ?
                                Banderas
                     800 numbers and how they work
                           Clinton's support
                            NATION articles
                          Greg Louganis!!??!!
                           Please contact me
                            Merchant & Ivory
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3
                      Correction on Rally in L.A.
                              Red Ribbons
                             Star Trek TNG

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Date: 09 Oct 92 01:19:39 EDT
From: Keith Elston <74160.2115@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: ACLU responds to Russellville Situation

Well, tonight the ACLU held a town meeting on g/l/b rights that was a huge
success!  Rev. Michael Kinnamon (some of you may recall he was nominated
General Minister and President of the Disciples of Christ last year and
lost by a very narrow margin, despite his receiving nearly 66% of the
vote) spoke very eloquently about the church's response and lack of
response to gay people and impressed the entire audience as a very
intelligent, compassionate Christian, in the truest sense of the word.
Melanie Otis, a research associate at the University of Kentucky and who
has been conducting a five year survey of g/l/b's in the state, presented
the Trilogy Project's findings:  to wit, that discrimination based on
sexual orientation is occuring frequently in the Kentucky and that a large
number of individuals are concealing their sexual identity in order to
avoid discrimination.  The project also found that, while for years we
have been told that the alcohol and substance abuse rate in the g/l/b
community was three times that of the non-gay community, they found that
the abuse rate was roughly equivalent to that of the non-gay community.

Panelists Steve Savage, Edwin Hackney (both of the Lexington gay
community) and Carla Wallace (co-chair of the Louisville Fairness
Campaign) gave insightful and thought-provoking responses to the questions
raised during the Town Meeting.

Then Jim Turner and Jimmy Cates, owners of the Stone Mountain Estate (a
newly opened Bed & Breakfast which caters to gay men) gave a brief account
of the violence and homophobia they have encountered in Russellville,
Kentucky.  Since I have covered this topic before, I refer you to my
previous post which tell the story in detail.

The most impressive thing about this evening is that, as a result of this
Town Meeting, the American Civil Liberties Union of Kentucky and other
groups have stepped in to organize a press conference on the Stone
Mountain Estate this coming Monday.  This conference will coincide with a
rally being held by the Family Foundation, a conservative Kentucky
religious organization who have waged a battle against the overturn of the
sodomy law and the fight for Fairness in Louisville.

The concern was that without an organized response, the Family Foundation
could whip up enough anti-gay sentiment in little Russellville to send a
mob out to "kill the queers."  That is why we have planned to be there in
full force.  We are inviting the state Attorney General, the Adjutant
General (commands the state police) and various religious and peace groups
to join together on the Logan County farm to make a statement against
violence and bigotry.  Carla Wallace (I believe) was planning on
organizing some peacekeepers to work with the security guards to prevent a
nasty incident from occurring if possible.  Dr. Kinnamon, rushed out at
the end of the meeting with several of his seminary students in tow to
research the Disciples congregations in Russellville in order to identify
people who would be willing to come to Turner/Cates defense and appear at
the press conference to denounce the actions of the vigilantes.

I am deeply encouraged by this show of support for our gay brothers.  This
is what a "community" is all about, folks.  Maybe things aren't so bad
after all...

Keith

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!                                                             !
!    " I have seen flowers come in stony places               !
!    And kind things done by men with ugly faces,             !
!    And the gold cup won by the worst horse at the races,    !
!    So I trust, too."                                        !
!         -- John Masefield (1878-1967), from "An Epilogue"   !
!                                                             !
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!                                                             !
!    Keith D. Elston, ACLU of Kentucky, Central KY chapter    !
!    Address: >INTERNET:74160.2115@compuserve.com             !
!                                                             !
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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From: laga@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lesbian/Gay Alliance)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 07:00:51 EST
Subject: request ?

	We seem to have been removed from the mailing list last year by one
of our officers.  Now that we have new officers this year, we would like to
be re-subscribed to gaynet.  Sorry I had to mail to gaynet instead of the
request address, but we do not have the request address on file.

					Kevin C. Tefft

					WPI BiLAGA

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:07 GMT
From: "G. Gabriel Ben-Yosef" <0003505072@mcimail.com>
Subject: Banderas

 > James Harkins inquired about Almodovar's films and the gorgeous man in
 > "Tie me up, Tie me down!"  His name is Antonio Banderas.

In addition to his appearances in Atame and other Almodovar films, you can see
Banderas most recently in Mambo Kings.

Gabriel (in Boston)
gbenyosef@mcimail.com

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:16:57 -0400
From: gandalf@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: 800 numbers and how they work

As a worker in a company with an 800 number, I know as a fact that not all
800 numbers give their owners direct information about who called, BUT, if
you were (for example) to call my 800 number and I wanted to know who you
were, I could write down the date and time of your call, then at the end of
the month I download the call log from the long distance company, look up
the date and time, and pow, I've got your number!

As ringing 800 numbers just to rack up a bill is illegal, I certainly wouldn't
advocate it, but if for some weird reason I wanted to, I'd use a pay phone.

			Tom

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Date: 09 Oct 1992 09:26:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: BOLDINGW@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: Clinton's support
Mime-Version: 1.0

  Last night there were 600 House Parties throughout the state of New
  York in support of Bill Clinton.  All of the House Parties were
  linked by phone and The Governor and Bill Clinton spoke.  (A somewhat
  novel way to speak to @25,000 supporters at one time.)  I was very
  impressed with the things Clinton had to say.  He acknowledged the
  support of Gays and Lesbians, he mentioned how we can not afford to
  waste any one's talents for whatever reasons, and he spent a good
  deal of time addressing the issues of AIDS and how the current President's
  own commission has some very valid steps which he would immediately
  address.  He stressed how we need to protect the ill and reach for a
  cure. . .  He spoke more in those few minutes on topics of importance
  to me than either Bush or Quayle have done in the last four years.  (As
  far as I know Reagon has yet to mention the word AIDS or recognize that
  he has been around gays his entire life.)

  Hope everyone is doing what they need to do to vote this year and vote
  (excuse) and getting out the vote of our friends.  Vote as if you life
  depended upon it - because it does!  Sorry if the politicing offends some
  but this is a very scary time for all of us.

				--bill

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From: DONIZETI@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Date: 9 Oct 1992 09:11:00 CDT
Subject: NATION articles

The Oct. 19th issue of THE NATION had an editorial --"Outlawing
    Gays"--against and a great article byDarrell Yates Rist--"Are
    Homosexuals Born That Way?"--too long to type in--will supply
    the last two sentences-- (Photographer Nan Goldin--pictures
    in Mother Jones--quoted  "My dream was that you slept with
    people you liked and would not know about their sex until you
    undressed them." In a democratic society, the fact that our
    affectional urges are diverse and that we choose to fulfill
    them comfortably--all of us to our own degree--ought to be
    sufficient. So far in repressed America, both "gays" and
    "straights" have yet to reach such human understandings.
    (All right--it was 3 sentences)
    A pitch for a new TV=--Picket Fences---the high point last
    Friday was the enema given to an elephant--you had to have
    been there.    Merle

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 10:25:27 EDT
From: Ryan C Rice <ricerc@CCMAILGW.IM.BATTELLE.ORG>
Subject: Greg Louganis!!??!!

Hey, Richard <Foster> in UT Austin...

Just thought I'd reply to your inquiry about Greg.  Since he's
one of our "local" celebs (here in good 'ol metropolitan
Columbus, Ohio), I thought you'd like to know what we think about
him.  The general (almost unanimous) concensus is that he definitely
is gay, and from other things I've heard (mind you, this IS hearsay,
<grin>) he is also very, very out (not as much as I am, but that's
ok!).  It seems that most people think that he's been passing his
lovers off as his trainers (possibly true on both points...(1) that
they're his lovers, and (2) that they are really his trainers as well.)
I do know that he is much admired (and lusted after) here in our
vibrant and vivacious glb community.  Even my lesbian friends (well,
most of them are, really!) have commented on him favorably.  The only
down side to all of this chit-chat that's been overheard is this...

>>>>>I've yet to meet someone who knows him personally, therefore<<<<<<
>>>>>I'm taking it all at face value and placing no faith in it. <<<<<<

For what it's worth, just thought you'd like to know.

For everyone else, I look forward to seeing a lot of you in DC this
weekend!

Hugs, kisses, love, and courage...
Ryan aka Ry [the epitome of a farm boy who was corrupted by the big city :-)]

***********************What do you mean I'm melting?*************************
***********************    - cut scene from TWOO    *************************

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Date: 09 Oct 1992 09:51:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: SLOMOWR@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Subject: Please contact me
Mime-Version: 1.0

Sorry for tying up the net with a personal message but..

Ron Buckmire.. please email me.  I am having problems with delivering
mail to your address. As I said, please contact me.

-= RoNaLd =-

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:25 EST
From: DUBO5416@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Subject: Merchant & Ivory
X-Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

Hello netters!

I believe that I heard somewhere that Merchant and Ivory are Gay.
I would like to hear if anyone else knows.

Another good gay film is "My Beautiful Launderette"  Starring DANIEL DAY-LEWIS
looking very sexy.  It's good although there is some violence near the end
Also if you can find a copy, "Tongues Untied" is an hour-long documentary
on the Gay Black Community, focusing on men , but relevant to all.  It was pro-
duced an directed by Marlon T. Riggs.
DAN DUBOFF
 <SPLAVA::DUBO5416>

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From: csb@world.std.com (Charles S Bedard)
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 11:58:53 EDT

A safer way to get around the insurance beneficiary hassle is to make
your estate the beneficiary. Then you can have your will decide who the
money goes to.  I have heard it recommended that in any case, if you
are going to select your lover as a beneficiairy  that you choose  a relative
on the form when you fill it out and then go back at a later date and have it
changed.  Insurance companies do not like gay people.
--
\Charles Spencer Bedard/       /\          Honi soit qui mal y pense.
\csb@world.std.com     /      /  \         Write in English.
\Cambridge MA USA      /     /    \        Ecrivez en Francais, s.v.p..
\                      /    ---------      (Trans.: Evil to he who thinks it.

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Date:    Fri, 09 Oct 92 09:40 PDT
From: ecl1dmj                              <ECL1DMJ@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Correction on Rally in L.A.

OOOOPS!
In my haste to get the word out about the rally in Los Angeles
this weekend of all the various religious factions here, I
gave the wrong location for the rallly. It will be held at the
Greek Theatre in Los Angeles NOT the Hollywood Bowl as previously
reported. Okay, so I'm no Bryant Gumbel but I had good intentions!
Hope to see y'all there at 3pm!

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:43:14 -0400
From: wparson@unix.cc.emory.edu (William A. Parsons)
Subject: Red Ribbons

Hey Netters,
	I've noticed a few comments about seemingly homophobic people
wearing red ribbons. I haven't been on gaynet for awhile so I don't know
if somebody has already brought this point up. Doesn't it seem like
people are wearing these ribbons without really giving a damn about
what they should signify? Now I don't mean to imply that everyone who does
wear them doesn't give a shit about AIDS, but it seems like a lot of
people wear then because it is alot easier to put a little ribbon on your
shirt than to actually do something to help people living with AIDS.
	Think about it, GEORGE BUSH is wearing one of these things! Do
you really believe that he is doing so for any other reason than to look
like someone who actually has compassion. Don't assume that if someone is
wearing one they think that being gay is OK. AIDS, as we all know, is not
simply a gay disease and showing some knowledge that AIDS exists and is
a horrible thing does not by any means indicate that someone cares about
gay people. The Catholic church is more willing to help an AIDS patient
than they are to accept gay members in their church. Do you believe that
the Catholic church cares about healthy gay people?
	Another sad thing about these ribbons is that people who do alot
of AIDS work are feeling compelled to wear them. I belong to a gay tennis
organization here in ATlanta. We have a national tournament every spring
and the money raised by this tournament is supposed to go to an AIDS
organization known as Project Open Hand. I happen to work two nights a
week with this organization. Instead of the money from the tournament going
to Open Hand the tennis organization sold red ribbons at the reception
dinner and gave that money to Open Hand. One, they were wrong, in
misrepresenting the fact that a portion of the money that you payed to
play in the tournament would go to an AIDS organization and two, they set
up a situation that if you wern't wearing a ribbon at the dinner you would
be perceived as uncaring or cheap. Alot of the people that I saw wearing
ribbons were people that have not spent one minute of their lives
 helping
a person with AIDS. Yet, they could feel assured that they had done something
because they spent a couple of bucks on a little red ribbon.
	I'm truly sorry to go on like this, and it may seem like I'm just
bitter. I feel as though something that was originally intended to be a
good thing has just turned into a way for some people to feel a little less
guilty about their apathy.

-Will Parsons

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:56 EST
From: Dan Bennett <BENN8022@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: Re: Star Trek TNG
X-Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

Hi All!
  I need some help.  About a year ago I read an article in the Advocate about
Star Trek TNG intrducing a Gay character?  Whatever happened with that?
Now I've heard that TNG is coming to an end soon and another show is taking
its place...along the same lines as TNG but on a space station.
  Does anybody have any info. on this topic?  I was really excited about a Gay
character on TV!

***Dan Bennett***
SUNY Plattsburgh
Plattsburgh, NY  12901

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