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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:53:13 GMT

masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>   If the most cases of conflict of personal rights can be settled 
>successfully between the involved persons in the US, I see a point in 
>your saying that the involvement of neither the police nor government
>is necessary.

	We prefer to settle things between ourselves, and then we call
in the lawyers and the courts, believing them to be the lesser of two
evils when compared to asking the government to solve the problem.
Mediation is an alternative, and is fairly popular, but by the time it
gets that far people would like the power of a court decision to use
as leverage to get the decision enforced.

>>	De-pressurization at 30,000 feet due to accidental discharge being
>>greater than the chances of a hijacker sneaking aboard?

>  Is this your answer or question?

	Actually, it was a question.  To be honest, I don't know.  One
reader mailed me to say that the real damage would be if a bullet hit
a hydraulic line or a fuel tank.  In short, the chances of accidental
damage are greater than the chances of hijack or hostages.  Delta Force
and one SeAL team are trained to deal with the latter quite effectively,
so essentially we balance the need for self-defense against the risk of
innocent life lost due to our actions.  This is why it is so difficult
to legally own machine guns in this country, along with cannon,
explosives, and even fireworks are restricted as the government feels
it must protect us from ourselves in some cases.

>>  What matters now is
>>whether the shooter was justified or not.  What the victim did or did
>>not think is rendered moot by his untimely demise.

>   Not really. At least, some people can learn from what he might or might 
>not think. Letting his tragedic death tell something is not completely
>useless.

	Of course.  However, all we can do is speculate as to what he
thought.  We can find out what the homeowner thought, and determine if
this is a reasonable response.  From this, we can learn something.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: New era in American politics....
From: Larry E. Cravetz <RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:34:34 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <0{#@byu.edu>, luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) says:
>
>In article <0exxtfK00UhW01oYBI@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya
>Asano) writes:
>>friends,
>>
>>             I would like to congradulate President Bill Cilton on his
>>landslide victory in America's presidental elections last night. I had
>
>Landslide?  43% is a landslide?  That means that the guy who just won
>by a "landslide" was NOT preferred by 57% of the voters.  Not much of
>a "mandate", if you ask me...
>--
Although I was (am) a Clinton man, I have to agree: but look at the ratio of
 electoral college votes, not at the 'popular' numbers...

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>|  luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu           image of a fuzzy concept."                |
>|                                                               -- Ansel Adams|
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10347 fj.misc:846
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,fj.misc
Subject: Re: Email to Japan
Keywords: ???
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:26:23 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan

sprackle@rel4.ncsa.uiuc.edu (David Spracklen) writes:

>One of my best friends recently became engaged to a Japanese
>girl. He dropped by to see me, and I showed him the lab here.
>To make a long story short, his fiance would like to send
>email to her sister in Japan. Can I just use the standard
>email program? I'm not sure if it would display the right
>characters or not. BTW the sister does speak and read English.

I'm not sure I understand the question. Is the "standard" email
program sending 7-bit ASCII like this? Or is it going to send kanji?
If kanji, which kanji standard will it use (JIS, SHIFT-JIS, EUC)? 

If it's plain 7-bit ASCII, then there probably won't be a problem as
all the machines+OS I know of here can handle it. 

If it's kanji, then it's case-by-case although JIS is the (de facto)
standard for JUNET. Even so, sometimes various mailers and transport
mechanisms make hash of JIS as they strip out the hex 1B in the
escape sequences. 

Just as a test, can you read this:

JIS: $@5~ETI\D92,5~;T:#N$FnJ?Hx#1!<#6(J

If you dump that line in hex, the first 8 characters should be:

  4A 49 53 3A 20 1B 24 40 
   J  I  S  :  |  |  $  @
               |  |
               |  ESC
             SPACE

Depending on how this came to you, the ESC may be missing in which
case the rest of the line would be rubbish instead of the kanji
for Kyo-to-fuNaga-oka-kyo-shiIma-zatoMinami-Hirao-1-6 (my address).

I've cross-posted to fj.misc to see what they say....

Regards,

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.history
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Japan's textbook-screening system
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:28:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.150456.21569@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>	From the Oct. 26, 1992 Electronic Engineering Times, pg 22)
>
>	Today the Tokyo High Court will begin its final hearing on
>	Japan's textbook-screening system...
> [ ...]

The puzzling thing is that why EE Times would put such a thing apparently
nothing related to EE Times matter in sort of editorial/footnote column.  
If one reads entire article of the magazine, obviously the point is to
urge openness of Japanese society/system since there are precedents dating
back pre-WWII era. 
What is obvious is that Westerners (loosely, North America and Western Europe) 
broadly speaking are coming to realize what Koreans and Chinese were talking 
about Japan since long ago.  A difference is that it feels real (for
Westerners) now that Western countries/companies are directly interested in 
what's going on in Japan; in case, semiconductors and electronics.  As usual, 
on and off.
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:30:39 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


=> In article <19921109025407IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
=> IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda) writes:
=> 
=> > DURING WORLD WAR II, more than 120,000 Americans of Japanese ancestry
=> > were rounded-up and imprisoned in American concentration camps.  No
=> > charges were ever filed.  No trials were held... 

In article <BxGMKo.1BC@inews.Intel.COM>, jreece@sousa.intel.com
(John Reece) writes:
=> We know the story.  It's virtually the only WWII episode 
=> contemporary news media are interested in playing up....
=> 
=> And 1/3 of those interned were not US citizens, but bona fide 
=> enemy aliens.

=> > Some fifty years later, UCLA has joined the Japanese American community
=> > in Los Angeles and across the nation in commemorating the fiftieth
=> > anniversary of this tragic chapter in American History.  We hope you
=> > will join us for the concluding events of this important year of
=> > activities.. 

=> My father commanded a unit of amphibious tractors/troop carriers at 
=> Saipan, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, etc...  Funny how local authorities aren't
=> falling all over themselves to play up his sacrifices, or those of 
=> the other 11 million who served in the US armed forces.

In all due respect to your Dad, John (and mine too... he fought in the
liberation of the Philipines), there have been quite a few memorial
events around, including the large media coverage of Pearl Harbor,
for one notable example.

The Internment of the U.S. citizens of Japanese descent and resident
aliens is less a WWII event than a marking point in American History
where the legal rights of citizens were discarded without due process
because of racial descrimination. It for this reason that it is
significant and remembered, and is not intended as a slight, nor to
replace remembrances of the valiant who served America in WWII.

- Bill Lambert
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Please give your opinions...
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:06:00 GMT
	<1992Nov13.011355.14547@u.washington.edu>
	<1992Nov13.144554.13384@acuson.com>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>        It is perfectly reasonable and in fact is done w.r.t. English.
>        We do not call Japanese "Jap" because _Japanese_ as well as
>        Americans of Japanese origin do not wish us to.  There were
>        and are plenty of people who view(ed) "Jap" as one might
>        "Yank" but we must respect the wishes of the addressee.


Can't agree with this one. During the Second World War "Jap" very clearly
referred to something that needed to be irradicated from the planet. A "Jap"
was, depending on the time frame, less-than-human or super-human, always evil,
and always monolithic.

smittie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: Safety of Japanese cars (Was: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana)
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:48:56 GMT

In article <BxBBzs.D9E@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.101813.25830@u.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu () writes:
>.....
>>  Domestic Japanese
>>demand for this steel was cited as negligable as some of the
>>reinforcements it is used to make inside the doors are not even
>>*present* in most domestic Japanese market cars.
>
>   If my memory serves me correctly, I read an article in some Japanese
>car magazine on the structural differences between Japanese cars for the
>domestic market and those for export.
>
>   It seems true that there is a difference in some reinforcements.
>In the article the writer questioned the morality of the manufacturers
>who exposed Japanese drivers to a danger which they seemed to try to avoid 
>in a foreign country.
>
>    Although I'm not an automobile expert nor trying to justify the
>reinforcement of the Japanese Japanese cars weaker than that of the American
>Japanese cars, one of the reasons for the difference might be that the 
>more steel parts for reinforcement makes the body heavier, which could be
>reflected as a lower fuel efficiency. You know how expensive gasoline is
>in Japan, don't you?

Not true in the document I was talking about. The steel being discussed
was both lighter and stronger (therefore much more expensive). You see,
US fuel efficiency standards enforce a percentage increase as averaged
across a fleet of cars from a given company. For example, "All companies
must increase the average fuel efficiency of their fleets by 30%."
This is totally unfair to Japanese cars that *already* have a higher
fuel efficiency and therefore have less leeway to squeeze even *more*
miles per gallon out of a car. They are therefore forced to incorporate
the lightest, strongest and most expensive steel possible.

I never responded to another poster who doubted the safety standards of
the US amount to much. Yes, there are lots of things still not covered.
No, collision testing is not one of them. The figures for new cars
were just released in fact. Cars sold in the US undergo vigorous
collision testing at a variety of speeds and angles. (We just love
bashing those test cars into walls and into each other!) The tensile
strength of the steel involved is very important in passing these
tests. You owe your thanks to Ralph Nader for this. You really are
being protected. Amazing.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: It seems to me
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:12:08 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

that for whatever reason, Rikiya has acquired a cultish status among 
most regulars as the person they love to hate....what is it that he strikes
in you?  Does he fondle and caress your hot button?  Maybe it's culture
gap, here in Berkeley Rikiya's style of ranting is the norm for political
or social activists....every day, every day, a preacher freak is shouting
away on 
Sproul Plaza, while an equally obsessive counterpreacher is their with him...
is it the incomplete sentences that anguish you....come on, Japanese poetry
is all about stream-of-consciouness arbitrary grammar....or the way kaisha
folk like to twist their answers around to tought questions abou working
conditions, that "of couse, we consider your needs, and weigh it relative to
business conditions"  could mean anything!?  See, every time I read Rikiya
it's like reading English subtitles to a Hong Kong film, the hilarious
mistranslations....he occupies a very valid niche in US-Japan world,
however extreme.  Folks, I don't recommend out-character-assassinating him,
lest you represent the mainstream so badly.    I don't mock Rikiya's
language ability, but rather praise the new frontier he is taking us,
beyond Greenwich mean time.

This message was brought to you by

robohen, public enemy #2.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 10 Nov 1992 22:28:49 -0500
Organization: Yale Computer Science Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: cathy.na.cs.yale.edu

dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.161510.1@sscl.uwo.ca>, sakimura@sscl.uwo.ca writes:
>} Someone with white tuxedo doesn't look like someone trying to break 
>} into my home to me.
>
>Do you judge people's intentions by what they wear?

Of course!  It is a good, though limited, guide.

>  What does someone who
>tries to break into your home look like?

Dressed for heavy activity and low visibility.  Which can mean any number of
things, but a tuxedo is not one of them.

--
Norman Yarvin						yarvin@cs.yale.edu
 "The world has begun to realize the dangers of universal suffrage."
        -- H. L. Mencken
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Safety of Japanese cars (Was: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana)
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:07:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.101813.25830@u.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu () writes:
.....
>  Domestic Japanese
>demand for this steel was cited as negligable as some of the
>reinforcements it is used to make inside the doors are not even
>*present* in most domestic Japanese market cars.

   If my memory serves me correctly, I read an article in some Japanese
car magazine on the structural differences between Japanese cars for the
domestic market and those for export.

   It seems true that there is a difference in some reinforcements.
In the article the writer questioned the morality of the manufacturers
who exposed Japanese drivers to a danger which they seemed to try to avoid 
in a foreign country.

    Although I'm not an automobile expert nor trying to justify the
reinforcement of the Japanese Japanese cars weaker than that of the American
Japanese cars, one of the reasons for the difference might be that the 
more steel parts for reinforcement makes the body heavier, which could be
reflected as a lower fuel efficiency. You know how expensive gasoline is
in Japan, don't you?

Michiaki Masuda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Re: Not so new music
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:19:02 GMT

In article <Zo25TB3w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:
# M20441@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
# 
# > I have only recently begun studying Japanese.  I have a great interest in the
# > music.  I heard a song by H2O <H two oh> called "Omoide ga ippai"
# > I thought it was a very pretty song and wonder if that is a good repre
# > sentation of their type of music.  If anyone knows of this song, or this grou
# >  please email me with the info you have.  Since this song was on Karaoke, I
# > figure that it is fairly old.  I think it was listed as 1987 on the disk.  An
# > help would be appreciated.
# >  
# > Caron
# > CRose@MITRE.ORG
# 
# I love these guys too; they were big in the summer of 1983, but have been 
# pretty silent since.  Anybody know where I can get a CD or tape?

Since "Omoide ga Ippai" by H2O was used as the theme song to "Miyuki",
a Japanese cartoon, you can get this song on most of the Miyuki
soundtrack CD's.  Check out the rec.arts.anime FAQ for more info
on ordering Japanese anime CD's in the US.
--
Hitoshi Doi, International Open Systems Engineering        doi@jrd.dec.com
Japan Research and Development Center               decwrl!jrd.dec.com!doi
Digital Equipment Corporation Japan          [from Japan: doi@dec-j.co.jp]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: schabel@calspan.com (Dave Schabel)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:40:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.150801.13913@watson.ibm.com> mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) writes:
>
>My wife and I just took the NRA basic pistol safety 
>course.  The class was bigger
>than they expected (17 people) and the instructors 
>were excellent.  I'd whole
>heartedly recommend this class to anyone 
>interested.  It totals 12 hours, and
>following the class, the instructors gave an 
>overview of the realities, legal and
>otherwise, of self-defense (they were correct 
>also; my wife is taking law courses
>at a local college, and we have the NYstate 
>penal codes..).  The course itself
>was alot of fun - about 1/3 of the time 
>was spent at the range shooting.
>I don't believe that it should be mandatory, 
>but I do believe that anyone even
>mildly interested in owning a handgun 
>should seriously consider taking it.
>
>For anyone in the Mid Hudson region of NY - 
>
> DCPA (Dutchess County Pistol Association)
> Wappingers Falls 
>
> cost $40 per person
> time totals 12 hours
> course given on a Sat-Sun or two Tuesday/Thursday evenings

Well, that would be nice.  However, here in Erie County (Buffalo, NY
area), our county judge presiding over pistol permits (Judge 
Rogowski) has "re-interpreted" the state laws on this matter.
He has declared that it is illegal for anyone without a pistol
permit to be allowed to fire a handgun, even as part of a
supervised training exercise.  This makes loads of sense 8'(.
It's sort of like mandating that no one may take driver's ed
until they have their license and own a car!

				Dave Schabel




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:40:10 GMT

>masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>>   Please consider the background of this incident before concluding that
>>it was the victim's fault.

viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>	Please consider that you have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable
>doubt in this country.  The grand jury has indicted the home-owner; it
>has not said he is guilty, only that a trial is deserved.

The eventual guilt/innocence of the Mr. Peairs seems to be a secondary issue
in Japan in regard to this incident.  What has confounded and shocked many 
Japanese is the mere fact that the killing occurred in an apparently nice, 
average neighborhood and that it was done by an apparently nice, average 
neighbor. 

Some posters have injected various speculation about racism, lunacy, etc of 
Mr. Peairs, but these only confuse the issue.  In fact, if he were portrayed 
as a gun-wielding loon, then, I think, the shock would be lessened.

Some have also mentioned naivete of the Japanese visitors, but this is not 
completely true either. Many Japanese are aware that streets of some of the 
larger cities are quite dangerous.  That it happened in normal neighborhood
is what's puzzling them.

This may be simply be an "accident" in US, but in a country where only the
police, self-defense, and yakuza gangsters possess a gun, that such 
accident even has a chance of occurring is a bewildering puzzle.  "What
logical argument is there for allowing untrained average civilans to possess 
such a deadly weapon?" would be a typical question.

No need to respond to these questions. I've been, more or less, following
the thread to know the typical responses.  Since this is (partly)
soc.culture.japan, I thought I'd throw in a Japanese point of view.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: WORMS? (was Re: new newsgroup)
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:03:28 GMT

dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:

>In article <7443@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>>.... opened the same kind of can of worms that occurs when the
>>Chinese/Taiwanese/Koreans jump in from time to time. Me? I admit
>>I am one those trying to put the worms back in their can, but
>>I'm going to give up as there are just too many damn worms.

>	Since no one seems to argue on this, let me ask people on s.c.j?

>	Maybe my short years in U.S. gave me wrong interpretation; but
>	for me, it was too shocking statements to pass or accept as it
>	; so, I want to make sure I got the right meaning.

>	Can this be summarized as
>	"if you are Korean, get the hell out here, worms"?

>	And if so, is this generally accepted attitude on s.c.j?
>-- 
>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
>	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
>	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com


It is hard for me to read his mind, but the expression "to put the worms back 
in their can" refers to things that get out of hand. In this case I believe
that he is referring to the discussion digressing and is comparing the current
situation (discussion of gun control) with the similarly out of control
discussions that occur when non-Japanese Asians post articles discussing
past incidents that are equally (or greater) in emotional power.

Anyway, to sum up... I do not think that you should take that reference
as being insulting.


Cheers

Charlie 
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