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From: dhosek@lucy.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Distribution: ca
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:26:14 PDT

In article <rlk.718648375@amstel>, rlk@VisiCom.COM (Bob Kitzberger) writes:
> dhosek@cbrown.claremont.edu writes:
 
>>Earlier this year I had the pleasure of meeting Greg Boyle, a
>>Jesuit priest who was working in East L.A. with gang members. He
>>has said, with regard to the young people (almost exclusively
>>latino) that he works with that there isn't a single gang member
>>he's met who wouldn't give it all up for a good job. My
>>experience confirms this.
 
> Interviewer:	"Mr. Gang Member, tell us a bit about your skill set"
 
> MGM:		"I work well in groups, I'm good at convincing people
> 		 to see things my way, by force if necessary.
> 		 I have quite a bit of experience in the import
> 		 business, too, working with various cartels to import
> 		 high-demand products into the U.S.  I also have a lot
> 		 of experience in the distribution side of the business
> 		 -- I increased sales to the teenage segment of the
> 		 population by 200% over last year's sales."

Or more likely, give me a job doing anything where I'm not
working in hazardous conditions and am making a decent living
wage. 

The skill set of the average gang member is about equal to that
of any other non-college-educated young adult. In some cases
stronger. They're not likely to be ready to become travel agents
or computer programmers, but they are more than willing to be
trained to be welders, mechanics, construction workers, etc.

> Yeah, right... I think the original poster, Kim, _is_ living in reality.
> People that thinks it's all "our" fault for not providing jobs (read:
> opportunity, etc.) for these hoodlums must be on some kind of guilt trip.

Did I say that it was "our" fault. Did Father Greg say so? 

A few interesting points though: There aren't many jobs to go
around in East L.A., but there's a tendency among hirers to not
even give Latino youths a chance to work. Note that I didn't say
gang members. Of course, I'm sure these people are living in a
reality where they think that Latino culture promotes dropping
out of school and drive-by shootings.
 
> Of course, I don't live in East L.A., so my view is certainly biased.

That's for damn sure.

-dh
From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Subject: Re: Auto Insurance - how to get it in CA and what to look for ?
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:15:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.105921.1@cbrown.claremont.edu> dhosek@cbrown.claremont.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.173020.20196@tcsi.com>, gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>>      One fair warning: I've heard a couple of stories of poeple
>> complaining CSAA undervalues/over-depreciates the value of a car
>> damaged in an accident.  This would mean you might not get as much
>> as you think your car is worth if it were totalled, and CSAA might
>> consider it totalled when another company might not.  I've not seen
>> widespread complaints of this sort, so I'm not sure it's a valid
>> complaint either.
>
>They totalled mine. But I got decent payback on it (almost the
>balance left on the loan--within the deductible of it, in fact).

The status of your loan has very little to do with the actual value of your
car.  The real question is, what did they pay you in relation to the blue
book value of your car?  Did you even look it up?  (Of course, if there was
any reason why your car should be worth less than blue book value, that should
be taken into account.)

Fred
From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russell Hockins)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Weekend Event
Summary: Something to do This WeekEnd
Keywords: weekend, concord, bay area
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:12:10 GMT
Distribution: ca.general
Organization: /etc/organization



For those who have nothing to do this weekend, or who are looking for
something to do, there is an event in Concord this weekend that some of
you might be interested in.

It is called PacifiCon '92 and it is being held at the Concord Hilton
Hotel on October 16th, 17th and 18th.  Some of you may have heard of the
hobby of Amateur [ or Ham ] Radio.  This is their equavalent of the ALA
conference a couple of months ago.  Radio hobbists from all over the
country [ and some from around the world ] will be in attendance to see
the latest in equipment from the major manufacters and displays of the
various type of communication the hobby entails.  From CW [ morse code ]
to packet [ we have our own version of TCP/IP protocol ] to Amatuer
TeleVision [ want to be on TV ? ]

This Friday, October 16th being the first anniversary of the Oakland Hills
Fire and the third anniversary of the Loma Preita Earthquake gives this
convention its theme of 'EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS'.  There will be lectures
on what to expect in a large scale disaster [ such as loss of basic
services as power and/or water ], how to prepare and protect yourself and
your family and Civil response to disasters.

If you are unable to attend, you might still be able to watch.

How you ask?  Well, if you have a cable ready TV or VCR, an outside
antenna, and a fairly clear view of Mt. Diablo, here is how.

Hook up your outside antenna to your TV or VCR and aim it at Mt. Diablo.
Tune your TV to cable channel 58 and enjoy the show!  Much of the events
of the conference will be televised continously [ barring equipment
failures ] for the three days.

All this for only $5.00 . . . .  Such a Deal!

Hope to see you there!

Russ KA6FOY

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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:46:18 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct9.201347.27847@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
=In article <1b4hv4INN309@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
=>Hey!  What's so bad about a private business (like, for example, the California
=>Institute of Technology) managing a government lab (like, for example, the Jet
=>Propulsion Laboratory)?
=
=Having been a Lab (caltech) employee and also knowing an ex-V-P of Caltech
=(an educational institute), I have no problems with an educational institution
=running secret or non-secret government labs.  They are accountable.
=Both the UC and Caltech have nicely educationally oriented mottos despite
=classified work.

Actually, one former president of Caltech retired, in large part, due to the
reaction of the faculty to his attempt to get us involved in classified work.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:13:47 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <1b4hv4INN309@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>Hey!  What's so bad about a private business (like, for example, the California
>Institute of Technology) managing a government lab (like, for example, the Jet
>Propulsion Laboratory)?

Having been a Lab (caltech) employee and also knowing an ex-V-P of Caltech
(an educational institute), I have no problems with an educational institution
running secret or non-secret government labs.  They are accountable.
Both the UC and Caltech have nicely educationally oriented mottos despite
classified work.  Most businesses don't approach this.  I would say some
would be classed as more "evil" than governments (which are clumsy).
I didn't say all.  We having shining examples of businesses in this
country: AT&T Bell Labs [rapidly changing as we speak], Polaroid, IBM, H-P,
call them "Theory Z" companies, what ever, in contrast to some of the
former rust belt companies (who were once shining examples).  But you probably
won't find a computer company running something like LLNL/LANL or numerous
other labs.  It will depend on your priorities.
We have to decide whether we want research in this country or whether we
want business, and what the balance between to two shall be.
All grossly generalized, of course.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
From: David_Greg_Herlihy@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Computer store Pasadena
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:39:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Can any one suggest a cheap, discount computer store in the Pasadena
area?  An Italian friend of mine is interested in Compaq portables
or some such thing and will be in the area.  Thanks!  --David
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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:10:25 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Oct9.171608.23373@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>If the UC (a public institution) simply dropped their ties, the Labs would
>just get picked up by Sandia (the telephone company [see The President's

Well, actually, AT&T is getting out of the nuclear business.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: our school problems
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:08:43 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Kim A. Berry <kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> writes:

	Then where do we draw the line on race-norming?

		HELP WANTED: Programmer by major Silicon Valley
		Employer. 3.0 GPA 3+ years exp (if asian applicant, GPA
		must be 3.35; Black appicants must have 2.2 GPA and 1+
		year exp...)

	And which race would yell the loudest if positions on College
	football teams were race-normed, allowing only 12% of the team
	to be black?

I'm not sure where to "draw the line" but I know that these two
exapmles are very far from what I was talking about.  On your
programming team, or your football team, you want the very best.  So
you take the best you can get with what you have.

At a Major University, you don't necessarily have a good understanding
of what "best" means, and in the absence of a good metric, you can fall
back to statistical means which are biassed against socio-economic
classes and racial minorities.  So, a little "race-norming" (as well as
"class-norming") goes a long way to *un-biassing* this process.

One very good measure of "best" at a University can be diversity.  How
do you study for the diversity test?

/jordan
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: lindae@netcom.com
Subject: Shared Housing in Sunnyvale (in the heart of Silicon Valley)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:32:27 GMT


Available November 15th
This is a 2 bedroom, 2 bath apt. with a Loft
You would have your own bedroom (the Master Bedroom) with your own
private bathroom in your bedroom.  You would also be able to share
the Loft area which I will be using as an office... you can have
half of that room to use as office/study space, or whatever.

This is a modern apt. complex (only about 4 years old) with 2 swimming
pools, a jacuzzi, and a small workout room.  Most of the residents are
young couples or singles in their 20's and 30's.

I am looking for a female roommate who is a professional (or student) and
who is responsible, 25-35 years old, non-smoker, no drugs, and no pets.
I am all of the above.

Your half of the rent will be $567.50 (DON'T FORGET -- THAT ALSO INCLUDES
1/2 OF THE LOFT AREA)

If this sounds good to you, please send e-mail IMMEDIATELY!  I have a 
deposit down on this apartment and need to find a roommate ASAP!!

Thanks,
Linda
lindae@netcom.com
From: rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: our school problems
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:12:47 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article malcolm@grenada.ign.island.COM (Malcolm Blanchard) writes:
>It is my understanding that the State of California now spends twice 
>per capita in inflation-adjusted dollars on education than it did
>in the '60s.  This leads me to believe the problem with California

This isn't a flame at Malcom, but shouldn't we be normalizing the
dollars spent on education with the escalation rate of the cost of
providing education in California, rather than by the overall
inflation rate of the United States economy?

I would love to make 80% of the median home price; like my mother
did when she was a young engineer at HP in the mid 1970's.  >:-)
I know, I know.....the golden years......the 1970's in Silicon Valley.

Rex Tener                                                 rtener@pyramid.com
Pyramid Technology                                            A.M.A. #580669 
"Radical is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air." - F.D.R. (1944)
From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: our school problems
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:24:01 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design

In article <BvL4JC.Gq5@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>It is my impression that California schools' financial problems are
>worse than other states' schools.
>If that is true, why?

I think it's because the state government didn't take steps to increase the
tax base as the school age population increased faster than the taxpayer
population (we have a small baby boom that started to reach school age a 
year or 2 ago).

Unlike increasing school populations caused by immigration, which brings
more taxpayers with it as well, bumps in the demographics (I think that this
one is caused by the tail end of the baby boomer's babies ... ie it's really
caused by the end of WWII :-) are not supported in the same way, if anything
having a large number of women dropping out of the work force for a few years
decreases the tax take ....

Of course claiming you wont raise taxes under any circumstances means you
can't plan ahead for things like this - after all you get about a 5 year
warning on this one ..... plenty of time to be ready .... 

	Paul

-- 
Paul Campbell    UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul     AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P
	
       	So far the Republican's economic policy is best described
		     as "C'est la vie Capitalism"
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kim A. Berry)
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix, Sacramento, Ca.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 01:49:47 GMT

In article <5259@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>Kim A. Berry <kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> writes:
>
>	I oppose U.C.  Berkeley's practice of having different
>	admission standards for each race. Each race competes for slots
>	only with members of their own race rather than against all
>	applicants. Special treatment of certain groups breeds
>	resentment.
>
>Oh, I don't know -- I know my time at UCB was better for them having
>given better access to targeted populations that otherwise would have
>gotten lost in the paperwork.  Face facts -- UCB gets tons more
>applicants than they have slots for.  If they simply took the top of
>that cream, how homogeneous might it be?
>
>How much *less* potential does some 4.0 student who came from the inner
>city and who, because of factors outside of his direct control (like
>nutrition) got a 1500 SAT score instead of the 1520 cutoff ...
>hypothetical numbers, but the point is that without that policy (which
>just got dropped?  didn't I see something in the papers last week about
>this?), what would UCB look like?
>
>/jordan

Then where do we draw the line on race-norming?

 	HELP WANTED: Programmer by major Silicon Valley
	Employer. 3.0 GPA 3+ years exp (if asian applicant,
	GPA must be 3.35; Black appicants must have 2.2 GPA
	and 1+ year exp...)

And which race would yell the loudest if positions on College
football teams were race-normed, allowing only 12% of the
team to be black? 

Your points are valid and perhaps race-norming has its place.
But to what extend does it serve to reduce racism?

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
        Kim Berry              kberry@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US

Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:29:53 GMT
Distribution: ca

Yes.  Not uncommon.  People used to turn down giving seminar at Ames
because we shared the land with a Navy base (closing).  I don't blame them.
I have a slew of similar stories from people on the right and left.

On the other post:
The "mismanagement" seems to happen regardless of the type of institution
doing the management, but good management is probably due to the far-signed
opinions, a surplus of resources, and good timing (luck).  Examples presented
in an earlier post.  We can analyse them to death if we like.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 9 Oct 1992 18:10:44 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct9.171608.23373@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>If the UC (a public institution) simply dropped their ties, the Labs would
>just get picked up by Sandia (the telephone company [see The President's
>Analyst if you like conspiracy comedies]), or Dow/duPont/Rockwell like ORNL,
>Hanford, etc., some private business not to be held publicly accountable.

Hey!  What's so bad about a private business (like, for example, the California
Institute of Technology) managing a government lab (like, for example, the Jet
Propulsion Laboratory)?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: was 1986 Ford Mustang SVO for Sale!!!
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:46:59 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <1992Oct7.084240.18056@morrow.stanford.edu>
GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN) writes:
>Better watch it of the net police will be after you like they were
>after me for posting to a group that doesn't sell things.

Net.police?  Who?  where?

Car ads to ba.market.auto (that's why it was made).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  net.ranger
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
			Wulf et al, The Design of an Optimizing Compiler
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:44:27 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <1992Oct7.175326.20537@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com
(George Wu) writes:
>     Newly arrived immigrants have traditionally been a vital part of
>the work force which built America's economic might.

Agreed.

>immigrant population may come from other countries, but
>they still fill the same role, taking low pay jobs entailing back breaking
>labor,

Ah, but what of this back breaking labor in our so-called information society?
One of the big news issues is that as the Valley goes software, where are
the blue collar jobs going for instance: the people who want to do jobs
like cut timber up north, or fish down south

>because even that sort of job is better than they could find in
>their native countries.  Many of these jobs no American would take, anyways.

This says something about us, too.  Very good.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
			Wulf et al, The Design of an Optimizing Compiler
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:13:38 GMT

eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>If the UC (a public institution) simply dropped their ties, the Labs would
>just get picked up by Sandia (the telephone company [see The President's
>Analyst if you like conspiracy comedies]), or Dow/duPont/Rockwell like ORNL,
>Hanford, etc., some private business not to be held publicly accountable.

Good Lord, then they could mismanage it almost as badly and have
almost as little accountability as our beloved Mr. Day at the U
here...  Government insultates its leaders from as much responsibility
as it possibly can - it sets a bad precedent if one is held accountable.
-- 
Wiker's Law:  Government expands to absorb revenue and then some.
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From: archie@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Archie Cobbs)
Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:51:23 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer) writes:

>> ... Bodie ... Placerville (Hang-Town) ...
>> We've left out Santa Cruz ...

I missed the beginning of this thread, so this may be redudant...
Did anyone mention Woodside?  You know, north of Palo Alto a little
ways off I-280, cast in the old Western theme?
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