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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Re: Accuracy in autobiography (was: GENIUS: Richard Feynman)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:53:36 GMT
Summary: Good Grief

In article <1992Nov18.233713.10007@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr) writes:
> 
> When I read SYJ it never crossed my mind that each and every story
> was anything other than his straight recollection. .............

How about:

  When I read SYJ it never crossed my mind that any of the stories
  was anything other than his straight recollection. .............

Lew Mammel, Jr.
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: not verbose (was Re: Balls etc.)
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:45:58 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov18.223735.20728@nas.nasa.gov>, wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
>  heather henderson writes:
> 	
> 	I think McAuliffe was *quite* eloquent, but without being verbose.
> 	He must have read Strunk & White's little volume -- a book I
> 	highly recommend to M. Zeleny.  
> 
> Notice in personal column want ads:
> 
> 	Minimalist seeks same.
> 
> William Sburgfort Smith

President Calvin Coolidge was known as "Silent Cal" for his
economic use of English.  A young woman approached him at an
official function and said, "I've just made a bet with a woman
who says I can't get you to say more than two words to me all
evening."

Silent Cal thought for a moment, and replied, "You lose."



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
We could say that Congress spends money like drunken sailors.  But that would
be unfair -- to the sailors.  They, at least, are spending their own money.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:29:36 CST
From: Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Surreal Novels About WWII
 <1992Nov21.142803.3623@ <1992Nov21.233205.23269@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

_The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of Private Ivan Chonkin_ by
Vladimir Voinovich is my suggested addition.  Avoid Mailer's _The Naked
and the Dead_ like the plague.

Cole Kendall
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
From: gall@nexus.yorku.ca (Norm Gall)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein and metaphysics was: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Organization: York University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:44:09 GMT

Well, as a philosopher, I can tell you that many amny professional
philosophers consider metaphysics not only a valuable (and profitable)
endeavour, but would dismiss all else as mere philosophical
masturabation suitable for the corner bistro, but not the hallowed
halls of the University.

In a nutshell, metaphysics concerns itslef with what is actually the
case about the world independent of humans, human investiagtion, and
human reasoning.  of course, you'll get a plethora of differeing
definitions and descriptions, but, it seems to me, it always boils
down to 'what is _really_ the case!??!'

Strangely enough, in my MA thesis I claimed (and showed quite
adequately, I think) that the likes of Chomsky, Minksy, and Winograd
were all metaphysicians of a kind.  Computational Realists, ya know.

hope this helps,
norm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jan@teknologi.agderforskning.no (Jan Hansen)
Subject: WANTED: Forrest Carter
Organization: Agderforskning
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:47:18 GMT

I want to by the two books "The education of little tree" and
the one on the Chief Geronimo who in Norway are titled "You will find us 
in the mountains".

Can someone help me.

Best Regards,
Jan Hansen
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:25:11 GMT

In article <1ebr98INN70m@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> jsquires@ecst.csuchico.edu
(John Squires) writes:
>
>I just started reading Gibson's Neuromancer.  I have many questions but
>the one I can think of offhand--
>  Can someone please explain the ice used in the novel?
>
>                   Thanks
>                     John Squires
>
>Would also like any further discussions.



ICE stands for Intrusion Counter-measures Electronic. If you really want to 
talk about this wonderful book, I highly recommend alt.cyberpunk. Ask any 
question, and someone there will answer in excruciating detail. Right now there
is a massive thread going on about the perfect cast and soundtrack for a movie 
based on Neuromancer.

Andrew Hall
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Any mentiono of Gombrowicz?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:38:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I've been following the dueling Russians in their dispute over Erofeev, and 
they've mentioned everybody from Apuleius to Zamyatin in the
course of it.  One name I did not find, however, was Gombrowicz. Might there
be any similarity of outlook between him and Erofeev? 

J. Del Col
-- 
Jeff Del Col      *   DECONSTRUCTION--- the critical method invented      
A-B College       *                      by Procrustes  
Philippi, WV      *                             
                  *         
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: "Books in Popsongs" quiz
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:45:48 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov17.200151.10816@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>I liked the "Authors in Popsongs" quiz enough that I've got a followup here -- 

	Both of you people ignored Iron Maiden and Coleridge.  Shame on you.

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:27:09 CST
From: Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ate in Arcadia. Eggo.

In article <1eb4ecINNgc3@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis
Muir) says:
>
>Lori Cole writes:
>
>        Fido writes:
>
>                Since young women carry about 400 of the little rascals
>                around with them in one stage or another (my ObGyn
>                knowledge is pretty rusty), it would seem that "eggs"
>                would not be appropriate. To confuse things a bit, in
>                slang Spanish "balls" are called "huevos", eggs.
>
>        Then wouldn't referring to people as having "a lot of eggs" be
>        the perfect, all-purpose, non-gendered term?!?!
>
>Precisely, and the corresponding unisex (Shades of the Sixties...)
>antonymic, "one egg short of a full basket".
>
>                                                        Fido
>
But wouldn't the "lot of" part of the attribute be discriminatory
with respect to, er, experience?

Cole Kendall
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Property Rights (was re: Progress: The New Great Divide? (was Re: Cult)
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<JMC.92Nov14094633@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> <13222@optilink.UUCP>
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:04:26

I guess there is some benefit in maintaining a distinction between
communalism as a social philosophy and communism as a political
philosophy.  Good luck, Clayton, in persuading people to adhere to
it!
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: c60b-2hz@e260-2f.berkeley.edu (Nathaniel Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Re: The Secret Garden (and Wind In The Willows)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 23:03:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-2f.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov11.015859.11054@csusac.csus.edu> yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
>
>Well, I *could*, but then you'd get ahead of me in the November Quiz!
>I will hint, however, that there are Vermicious Knids in the book.

No, There are not! I know what you are thinking of and think same author
but ten years earlier.  Hint: There are many giant insects however.
-N
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:43:44 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <92Nov18.130643edt.112@smoke.cs.toronto.edu>, gara@cs.toronto.edu (Gara Pruesse) writes:
> In article <1dtpv5INNgcg@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> >Ken Warkentyne writes:
# #	laughter is impossible only in heaven or in hell.
# #In fact, Bergson said "Heaven, Hell or Canada".
# #
# #							Fido
# 
# Is this supposed to be funny?

It might be funny if you've never visited Canada, and think it's
a vast frozen wasteland.

Then again, I think the aphorism: "The choice is very simple: life,
death, or Los Angeles," is funny because I am an L.A. refugee.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
We could say that Congress spends money like drunken sailors.  But that would
be unfair -- to the sailors.  They, at least, are spending their own money.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: not verbose (was Re: Balls etc.)
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:18:39 EST
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <20NOV92.01175732@vax.clarku.edu> 
hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>Uh-Oh, I've been sucked into Mikhail's ever-unfolding drama.  How'd that
>happen?

Must be the old voraginous vortex of virile and venturesome verbal venery.

>>In article <19NOV92.13553297@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
>>writes: 

HH: 
>>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny), waving his mighty 
>>Eurodick again, writes: 

MZ: 
>>>Eloquence being the quintessential tertiary sexual characteristic of 
>>>the male, I conclude that scantiness of tropes is a sign of smallness 
>>>of genitals. 

HH: 
>>Mikhail: It ain't the meat, it's the motion. 

MZ: 
>>So said the would-be eunuch priest of Cythera, as he flung his 
>>genitals under the feet of her procession.  Read more Catullus. 
>>And remember that you don't have to settle for less. 

HH:
>Less of some things is better than more.  Talk, for example.  Less talk, more
>action.  Women don't want to castrate men, they just want them to shut up.

Your uncommonly candid silencing urge seems sadly out of place in this
squalid snakepit of sterile verbiage.  I assure you, however, that the
tediously pathic predilection of any number of bicoastal bombastic twits
frequenting this pimple on the arse of virtual reality has no bearing
whatsoever on our own multifarious kinetic capacities.

>Heather
>HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Madonna's new book
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:45:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.78v1v-a
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge

In article <1992Nov16.132150.14680@grebyn.com>, fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

|> As for the "has a lot of balls" expression in general, I'm pleased
|> as punch to report that not only have I gotten completely comfortable
|> with using the expression "has a lot of ovaries" when referring to
|> women, last week I used it in reference to a man.  Ha ha!  Most of
|> the feminist newspeak has no music, but "has a lot of ovaries"--with
|> all those lovely feminine o's--is fun to say.  
  
 In recent years I've encountered a growing contingent who insist that 
the feminine equivalent of "balls" should be "eggs".
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From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Who wrote the Book of Love?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 13:45:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


And of course we have to answer this pop song question.  And the answer is,
thanks to Matt Groening, "Some goddamn liar!"  See LOVE IS HELL.




J. Del Col

P.S. What Arabic manual of sensuality was the inspiration for a weird but
interesting piece by Sorabji?
-- 
Jeff Del Col      *   DECONSTRUCTION--- the critical method invented      
A-B College       *                      by Procrustes  
Philippi, WV      *                             
                  *         
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:16:25 GMT

In article <1dtvtaINNm2e@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>That sounds like an honest, if somewhat brief, crit. I must confess to some
>irritation at the several readers who have posted on this new book and give 
>no indication of having actually opened it. For myself I would like to hear 
>an informed description and commentary on the book. There's been too much
>authorial intent crap and too many sermonettes from our resident Roundheads.

I found the book fairly dull, actually. There weren't many images that
struck me as erotic, although there were many that seemed to make fun
of the archetypes of eroticism (particularly of the s&m and b&d varieties)
in our culture).

To me, the exceptional thing about the book is that Madonna could get away
with it. What other star of stage, screen, or music could have pulled this
off without damaging his or her career?

To me, the importance of Madonna (and, yes, I think she's important) lies
not in her sexiness (about which many disagree, in any case), but in her
absolute control of her sexual personae.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I can solve this Orient Express thing without
mnemonic@eff.org| breaking a sweat. It's that simple."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: not verbose (was Re: Balls etc.)
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:21:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov19.012118.17596
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Nov18.223735.20728@nas.nasa.gov>
wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:

> heather henderson writes:

HH:
>>I think McAuliffe was *quite* eloquent, but without being verbose.
>>He must have read Strunk & White's little volume -- a book I
>>highly recommend to M. Zeleny.  

WRS:
>Notice in personal column want ads:
>
>Minimalist seeks same.

Eloquence being the quintessential tertiary sexual characteristic of
the male, I conclude that scantiness of tropes is a sign of smallness
of genitals.  Too bad English substantives lack gender inflexions.

>William Sburgfort Smith
>Intel, SSD

Il y a des gens qui rougissent d'avoir aim\'e une femme, le jour qu'ils
s'aper\c{c}oivent qu'elle est b\^ete.  Ceux-l\`a sont des aliborons
vaniteux, faits pour brouter les chardons les plus impurs de la
cr\'eation, ou les faveurs d'un bas-bleu.  La b\^etise est souvent
l'ornement de la beaut\'e; c'est elle qui donne aux yeux cette
limpidit\'e  morne des \'etangs noir\^atres et ce calme huileux des
mers tropicales.  La b\^etise est toujours la conservation de la
beaut\'e; elle \'eloigne les rides; c'est un cosm\'etique divin qui
pr\'eserve nos idoles des morsures que la pens\'ee garde pour nous,
vilains savants que nous sommes!
Charles Baudelaire, {\sl Choix de maximes consolantes sur l'amour}

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Catholic Lifestyle Book Recommendation
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:43:24 GMT


 
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu
 
> Surely you don't mean to imply that the lifestyle of a
> pederastic parish priest from St. Paul's -- and really,
> we're grown-ups here so why beat around the bush? *all*
> priests are pederasts -- is different from that of a
> nun of whatever degree of hirsuteness or from that led
> by Mark Taranto.
 
 
Let it be known that my lifestyle is VERY different from that
of a pederast (priest or not), but that I have, in fact, decided
to take up the lifestyle of a hirsute nun.  I've ordered a fresh
supply of Rogaine, so that I can grow the kind of facial hair
sported by Sister Karen Francis, and have ordered a wimple from
Brooks Brothers.
 
My magnum opus "Confessions of a First Communicant" will be issued
within the next week.
 
Mark
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
From: gall@nexus.yorku.ca (Norm Gall)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Organization: York University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:14:18 GMT

torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:

|Let's leave these rotund phrases to one side and try to
|get at the issue. 

hmmm... this indicates certain things... that perhaps you are
singularly worried about those things you describe below?

|Am I to take it that you do not agree that Wittgenstein had
|"strongly held ideas about what exists, what is real, what it makes
|sense to invoke in explanations, what is or is not a question of fact"?
|Specifically, are you suggesting that Wittgenstein did not have such
|convictions with regard to mathematics?

What I am asserting is that these conditions do not give sufficient
conditions for a license to call it metaphysics.  I'd call it
philosophy--not metaphysics.

norm gall
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Rising Sun
Date: 19 Nov 1992 12:57:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <MJ1078.92Nov19154750@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece) writes:
>
>Is the book =Rising Sun= (by Michael Crichton (sp?) avaiable in soft cover ?
>Here, in Japan, they only have the hardcover edition, and is pretty
>expensive.
>Is it easy to get in US ?

	It's not available in softcover yet; I expect it will be in another
two or three months.

						-Jay
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Madonna's new book
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:06:29 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Jim Kasprzak writes:

	In recent years I've encountered a growing contingent who 
	insist that the feminine equivalent of "balls" should be "eggs".

Really? Since young women carry about 400 of the little rascals around
with them in one stage or another (my ObGyn knowledge is pretty rusty),
it would seem that "eggs" would not be appropriate. To confuse things
a bit, in slang Spanish "balls" are called "uovos", eggs.

							Fido
							who likes 'em
							over easy
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Property Rights (was re: Progress: The New Great Divide? (was Re: Cult)
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:58:18 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <JMC.92Nov14094633@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
> In article <13174@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
#    Communism requires that "all encompassing centripetal State" in
#    order to eliminate private property.  Marx expected the State to
#    wither away.  Why didn't it?  Because people are scum.  If you
#    give someone power over others, most of the time, that power will
#    be abused.
# 
#    Communism without state power isn't communism.  In fact, it isn't
#    anything at all, because communism MUST use a lot of force to get
#    people to turn over their property and lives to the commune.
#    The mystical "True Socialist Man" has never existed, and never
#    will.
#    -- 
#    Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
#    "Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
# 
# Not quite so.  Communism in the Israeli kibbutzim persists without
# coercion.  Anyone is free to leave.  The problem for the kibbutz as
# an institution is that too many do leave, especially the grown-up
# children.
# --
# John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305

Communism as a political philosophy does require state power.
Communalism (as in the kibbutzim) does not, because it is not
a political philosophy, but a social philosophy.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: Lightbulbs, et al. [was: The Truth According to Mickie Medved]
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:40:20 GMT

kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:

>In article <97997@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>In article <lgakr7INN6ge@news.bbn.com> ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:
>>
>>>How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>>
>>Four.  One to screw it in, and three to share the experience.
>>

>And a fifth, to write the environmental impact statement.

I think the canonical answer is "two or more, but it has to be a very big 
lightbulb."

--
Paul Callahan
callahan@cs.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Captivity among the Indians
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:29:10 GMT

I was interested in the question of sources and general reliability
of The_Last_of_the_Mohicans, and I found Memoirs_of_a_Captivity_
among_the_Indians_of_North_America by John Dunn Hunter. This book
was dismissed as a fake after a brief period of acclaim after its
publication in 1824. This put me in mind of Castenada, and more lately
of the questions about Surely Your Joking, Mr. Feynman.

Richard Drinnon edited a new version in 1973, and attempted to
rehabilitate its status as a real record of life among the Indians.
Just reading it, I am not convinced. Drinnon even admits to several
( presumed ) fabrications it contains, yet still defends its authenticity.

Anyway, I do believe it probably influenced Cooper. It does contain
an instance of raw meat consumption ( under duress ) by an Indian party,
which is what I was actually looking for, and it contains some
cave exploration, which fits in with LotM, as well.

Hunter, along with some others, attempted to establish an Indian
nation in Texas, and ended up being murdered ( or terminated with
extreme prejudice, if you're of that mind ) in 1827.

The name of his new republic? Fredonia! That knocked my socks off.


Lew Mammel, Jr.
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