From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak  #3000  x2110 )
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Hypocrisy, Bloody Hypocrisy
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:36:01 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = Kevin "Step Off, Bitch" Welch spews:
>> Regard
(This is actually Adrienne Regard...)
>>> = Steve
(This is Steve "Bible Up His Ass" Franklin...)

Hey, little Welch Tantrum: try doing attribution lines like the Big
Folks do.  Franklin ain't the only Steve on t.a., just like you wouldn't
want people to think ALL Kevins are hateful little religious comas like
yourself.

>>>   In any case, my point is : Not every method of birth control is
>>>ok, or 100% effective. Try abstinence. Great way to end STD's, 
>>>abortions, or any concerns about that missed period. 

>>Wow, what a great Idea.  I'm just going to scurry on home and tell my 
>>partner of 9 years that from now on, it's abstinence for us!  

>Note how Steve says:  "Try abstinence."  

But ignore the fact that Franklin, in that same paragraph,
*implies* his self-righteousness by saying all birth control
is not OK.  That, and the laughable choice of abstinence to those
with a healthy sexual appetite, about destroys any credibility
of Mr. "Not Even Rape" Franklin as a Birth Control Spokesperson.  
Next time, Welch, read and comprehend the ENTIRE statement rather than
pulling something out of context so you can huff and puff like such an
ANGRY young lad.

>Note how there is the word TRY in there.

Note Franklin's condescending attitude of SUPERIORITY in there, too.  
I guess when someone like S.F. doesn't make fun of your obvious
*deficiencies* you overlook their intent when they speak, hmm?

>Note how the pro-choice side twists the wording around so that Steve 
>ACTUALLY says: "Abstinence is for everyone, including me."

If you add to that statement, "...or be forced to carry any resulting
pregnancy to term", then that's EXACTLY what he says - *has* said.
Hence Adrienne's objection (I'm guessing; correct me if not).

>Get a grip, Ad.  Grab some down time.  

This from the guy that screamed via e-mail "Suck my penis"?  You
fanatical fundie farinaheads never fail to astound me with your 
chutzpah.

BTW, little boy, have you ever had the nerve to e-mail other than the
women you THINK you can intimidate?  (Hee hee - I'll bet Ms. Gavin
dissuaded you of THAT notion quick enough! :)

>Steve isn't forcing abstinence on you.

Just birth.  Inference from his statement would tell me even if he
hadn't precisely stated so.

>But you cannot disagree that it is the best form of contraception and that
>it is 100% effective in preventing the spread of sexual diseases.

Damn!  You ARE learning something in school besides Woman Harrassment
101.

...And we all know how exciting EATING would be if we all followed the
most healthy diet.  What, exactly, is your point besides fevered defense
of a fellow pro-life religious jerk?

>You know, not having sex does not mean isolation.  It just means not having
>intercourse.  Be as physical as you want.  Have sex if you want.  

Is...is Kevvie getting SENSIBLE here?

>But realize and assume all the consequences of your actions.   

If you mean, all pregnant women will be forced to give birth - there is
no WAY you'll ever get that kind of power.  Mind your own business.
Open up an Edible Bible shop or something; live your OWN life and give
up the idea of enslaving women.  It ain't gonna happen.




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