From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: Child Support
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:09:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: abortion

In article <1992Nov18.014332.19053@ils.nwu.edu> lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.081048.19399@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.001531.25073@ils.nwu.edu> lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) writes:
>>>Yes, but it is your *choice* to tell the father, and your *choice* to listen to
>>>what he wants....I believe this is how *most* hoorable people, in *most*
>>>cases would behave.
>>
>>I agree. It is also my choice to grab a knife and shove it in
>>someone's back. It is also my choice to get drunk every night.
>>It is also my choice to lie. It is also my choice to accuse someone
>>of rape (perjury). It is also my choice to practice insider trading.
>>It is also my choice to drive my car off a bridge if I'm unhappy.
>>It is also my choice to rape someone. Anyone can do anything they
>>want that they are physically able to do.
>
>All of which are ILLEGAL.  Not informing the father is legal.

A) You didn't say people who behave in a LEGAL fashion - you said 
   people who behave in an HONORABLE fashion. 

B) Getting drunk every night, lying outside of court, and suicide
   are to my knowledge legal (love to know how they prosecute 
   dead people :-) 

C) I wasn't looking for examples of ILLEGAL behaviour - I was giving
   examples of DISHONORABLE behaviour. 

>>>Needless to say, others might do things a little differently...
>>Naturally.  The world is full of people who choose to act in
>>violent and/or destructive and/or hateful ways. 
>Yes.  And that's why we have laws and courts and police and suchlike.

True. But often there are teachings about "right" and "wrong" that
don't have much to do with the legal system. Rita Mae Brown wrote
that "Decency is public. Morality is private." - that's kinda what
I'm getting at, that 'decency' is what we do to look good to others
and 'morality' is what we do to look good to ourselves. Something
like that. Tangential, in any event.

>>>For a personal example, try to think of somebody you know who *wouldn't* tell
>>>the father...
>>IE, a total and complete shithead?  Or a rape/abuse victim? Or
>>the girlfriend who's lover has told her repeatedly that he doesn't
>>want any more kids, and who's told me that if she gets pregnant,
>>she'll get an abortion and may not even tell him?
>
>All of these are valid examples.  Know anybody like the first?

Yup.  IMO, the second is very valid, the third...hmmm. If you
were her lover, would you want to be told?

>>:> I guess the point I'm trying to make is that while yes, anyone
>>can do anything that they want to do and are physically capable of
>>doing, that there are limits imposed by society and/or self.
>
>There are NOT limits posed by society at this time about notification.

LEGAL limits, no. SOCIAL limits...depends on the subgroup
of society you live in. In mine, it's required except for 
rape or if he's already stated, repeatedly, that he would
want an abortion, or if he's unknown/unlocatable.

Yours? 

As for whether there SHOULD be legal limits...I'd agree
with it except in cases of rape/abuse/unknown/unlocatable.
Would I require that this be done through the state? No.

>>If we had sex and I got pregnant, I could probably not tell you.
>And would that be just?

I think not.

>>Problem with dealing with humans is that it does require some trust.
>Another is that one that seems trustworthy might not be.

Agreed.

-jen

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>"TANSTAAFL"     Rich lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu

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