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From: ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:31:02
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: jerry@msi.com's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:46:22 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:46:22 GMT, jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) said:

jerry> Chris Fury (cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu) wrote: : : Yeah, yeah... I
jerry> know what RISC is, I know what CISC is.... but, according : to
jerry> other sources, the MC68040 is, at it's heart, a RISC chip
jerry> mircocoded to : understand 68000 series instructions....  :

jerry> Isn't this a contradiction in terms?  I thought that by
jerry> definition, RISC chips didn't have microcode.  It may utilize
jerry> RISC-like techniques (pipelines, etc.), but it's definitely
jerry> CISC.


It is possible for a RISC processor and a CISC processor to have very
similar integer cores.  The jobs accoplished by the integer core are
virtually the same. (Adds, shifts etc).  RISC is more or less defined
by its instruction set.  (pipelining, multi-piplining and such cannot
be claimed to be RISC type technology.  RISC processors are more
atuned to use it easier.)  So the basic core design for the 040 and
88100 could be very similar, but what makes the 88100 a RISC and the
040 a CISC is the instruction set. (and a few conventions we attribute
to each but that could easily be incorporated on others). 

RISC machines can have microcode (alpha for example in at least the
PALcode)

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:08:32 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
 <1992Dec15.135043.26904@usl.edu> <42598@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
 <BzFMs2.316@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

In article <BzFMs2.316@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>,
papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) says:

>Yes, there are DOS and OS/2 programs that show IFFs, like GWS, CSHOw
>and a bunch of others.  But modern graphics programs are tryiing to cut
>down on the standards mess by supporting BMP for windows/os2, GIF,
>because it's a telecommunications standard (and it's not a PC
>standard!), and a few others.  IFF doesn't fall into this category,
>being proprietary and Amiga-geared.

Does anyone else find this vaguely annoying and, dare I say it,
Big-Brotherish? In the name of progress, "modern" graphics programs
should go out of their way to AVOID supporting diverse standards? Really,
that's the first I've ever heard of such a thing. In my experience, any
"modern" graphics program that supports more than one format of anything is
usually geared to support several different formats. You either have a
dedicated GIF viewer or you have a viewing program that accepts GIF, JPEG,
IFF, TIFF, etc.; you either have a dedicated .au sound player or a sound
playing program that converts and plays .au, Amiga, Macintosh, Soundblaster,
etc. sound files. There really isn't much of an in-between at all.

Perhaps the thing that's bugging me is the implicit attitude that supporting
certain standards is just, oh, so crass and common and beneath us...

"Thank you, Dr. Science."

[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:47:36 GMT

>>It's interesting to note that Lew Eggebrecht mentioned in his address at
>>the WOC in Toronto that the A4000 is both 68060 and RISC-ready. When asked
>>what advantages RISC would offer to the Amiga line, he immediately
>>stated Windows NT.
>
>But only if the RISC chip is Alpha or MIPS in little endian mode.
>
>Why would someone want a server OS for MSDOS Windows 3.x on their Amiga?

The NT project might have been started as only a server, but if there
is serious competition for it, Microsoft is going to start selling REAL
CHEAP LIKE!  If it becomes the standard that they want it to be, it
might be a superior replacement for bridgeboards...it could probably
integrate more fully with AmigaDOS, if not run it as a task.
From: tam@furry.lonestar.org (Todd A. Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is the Atari newsgroup?
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:30:21 GMT
Organization: Small Furry Animals Unlimited, Plano TX
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <rjpogain.724034853@syzygy> rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis) writes:
> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
> 
> >     Sorry for the unrelated topic, but I can not seem to be able of
> >finding the Atari newsgroup.  Does anyone know what is the name of
> >it?  I sort of need to fnd if a modem is available for the ancient
> >Atari 800. (why not, the TI99/4A has a modem, the Vic20 has a modem).
> >Thanks...
> > 
> >                                                 -TKH '92
> 
> Unknowingly, you have made a mojar point about the Falcon!!
> You can't find the Atari group, and really, I'm not surprised.  Atari is just
> about dead, and it's software and hardware support is almost non-existant.  
> This just goes to show that while the Falcon may be sold to a few naive
> people, us Amigans should have nothing to worry about.  The Falcon will not
> be able to penetrate the Amiga's market as there is simply no support for it.

The newsgroup is comp.sys.atari.st.  There's a whole string of messages that
was crossposted to there and to this newsgroup, presumably to start a big
flamewar between the Falcon users and the Amiga users.  One person's inability
to find a newsgroup doesn't mean that the Falcon is dead.

Speaking of finding things, you should look for your Return key and use it.
 
> Robert Pogainis      rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au    Amiga Rules etc etc ..
> Ok, no more Mr NiceGuy!!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a piece of SHIT!
> Get off your fattened ARSES and do something for FREEDOM!! LIBERATE the
> BALTIC STATES! Get the RUSSIAN ARMY out of LATVIA! BROTHERS, let us UNITE!!

Would you care to explain and defend these statements, or are you simply making
these statements to annoy people?  You have illustrated one of my major dislikes
of this newsgroup: People are very willing to make short-sighted, inflammatory
statements with no basis in fact, often in the mistaken assumption that they'll
force something to change.

On the other hand, I don't want to start yet another stupid political argument
that has nothing to do with this newsgroup, so maybe it's better if you don't
respond.

-- 
Todd A. Murray - tam@furry.lonestar.org
"Greetings.  This is Mr. Hanson.  I am your host."
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:03:20 GMT

cg18ffl@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (Spumoni...) writes:
>	If you wanna get dangerous, the 600 goes for $399. It's still wimpy,
>but it has more chip ram and you can pick the thing up in one hand and wave it
>around violently with little to no effort at all. (I should know, I tried it
>at the Pasadena WOC. The Commodore rep wasn't impressed.)

Thank you!  I am very serious.  You have lived out a little dream of mine,
except you forgot to release the A600 from a great height after shaking it.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:57:44 GMT
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David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
:
: Yes, so when you add a tape drive to a PC, you fill a slot and frig about
: trying to find yet another interrupt and DMA channel (well, if the tape
: drive's any good, it should be using DMA) and I/O address on the AT bus for
: it.
:

Hmmm...  When I added my tape drive (Archive XL QIC-80), I just connected it
as if it were a third floppy drive -- no setup necessary at all.  I don't know
if it uses DMA, but it backs up my 100MB DOS drive in about 20 minutes, and
thats certainly good enough for me!  David, there is *never* only one way to
add something to a PC.

:
: Great! Then you can get a CD-ROM drive and do it all again.  Sorry, I
: forgot  - you hang your CD-ROM off your sound card - what a logical place to
: put it!
:

It's about as logical as putting RAM expansion and SCSI interfaces on Amiga
accelerator cards.  Look, sound and CD-ROM are part of the multimedia
phenomenon, so I think it makes perfect sense to put CD-ROM interfaces on
sound cards.  BTW, the better sound cards use standard SCSI for the CD-ROM
interface.

:
: I agree - using SCSI is a much more elegant solution than the clone method.
:

You still don't understand -- there's no such thing as "the clone method".
Clones can use any method you can think of.

:
: David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
:
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| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:16:12 GMT

>Ifail to see the relevance of this.  What makes a PC a PC?  With the Amiga, you
>have custom vid and audio hardware, the blitter, a graphics coprocessor... a PC
>is the processor, the BIOS and MS-DOS or OS/2.  So, if you're running UNIX, the
>only thing that's PC about your PC is the processor and BIOS, none of wich you
>should have direct access to under UNIX.You even have to run an emulator to run
>PC software...  So, in fact, what you have is NOT a PC, merely a generic UNIX
>'thing'.

Whats wrong with that?  There is no better "unix thing" $ per $ then a
PC, not even an A3000UX.  Besides, which do you get SOURCE with an
A3000UX?  And how much does it cost anyways?  My linux/OS/2/DOS/Windows
PC costed $2000.00.

And from what I've heard about the A3000UX, you might well be getting a
better system!  I'm SURE it will have more applications support soon if
it doesn't already!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Where is the Atari newsgroup?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:01:56 GMT

In article <rjpogain.724241839@syzygy> rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis) writes:
>dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>
>>In article <rjpogain.724034853@syzygy> rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis) writes:
>>>thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>>>
>>>>     Sorry for the unrelated topic, but I can not seem to be able of
>>>>finding the Atari newsgroup.  Does anyone know what is the name of
>>>>it?  I sort of need to fnd if a modem is available for the ancient
>>>>Atari 800. (why not, the TI99/4A has a modem, the Vic20 has a modem).
>>>>Thanks...
>>>> 
>>>>                                                 -TKH '92
>>>
>>>Unknowingly, you have made a mojar point about the Falcon!!
>>>You can't find the Atari group, and really, I'm not surprised.  Atari is just about dead, and it's software and hardware support is almost non-existant.  This just goes to show that while the Falcon may be sold to a few naive people, us Amigans should have nothing to worry about.  The Falcon will not be able to penetrate the Amiga's market as there is simply no support for it.
>
>>Is this the best you can do? Some guy doesn't know the name of the 8-bit Atari
>>group, and that makes the Falcon a bad computer, and Atari a bad company? 
>>You, sir, are a fool of the highest caliber. When you come up with a real
>>flame about the Falcon, come back and see us. Otherwise, don't waste our time.
>
>Ok,  to summarise, the main point of this is that there will be a lack of support for the Falcon.  This is a valid point, and you have no right calling me a fool when I am simply stating some facts.

When your "point" has some relevance the message you're replying to, then
I will not call you a fool. As it is, your message was an out-of-the-blue 
rant at some poor guy who was just looking for a little information. This
makes you more than eligible for the appelation "fool", and worse. 

>
>>Oh, and you might try pressing the return key, say, once per line or so...
>This is a bit under the belt isn't it?  At least when I pull my flame-thrower out I aim at silicon, and not at flesh!!! 
>

Under the belt? Wow, a bit overly-sensitive, aren't you? If you hit return
at the end of each line, it makes your posts a lot easier to read, no matter
how foolish they are.


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: 1200 questions :)
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:06:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.160955.5002@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:

>   1) Where did you get one?  I've called a few places in MD & Fairfax
>      and they deny having any yet!  They didn't even have prices!

U.S. and Canadian availability has been delayed, but systems should be
available within the next week.

>   2) What are the prices for a 1200 + =>80Meg HD?  (w/o monitor)

In Canada, dealers are bundling the A1200, 40 MB drive and 1960 multisync
for $1300 (~$1000 U.S.). Some are offering an 80 MB drive for an additional
$79.

>   3) Is it true that there isn't any RT clock?  Will there be any boards
>      out like the 501/601 RT clock/memory expansion, soon?  

Yes and yes.

>   4) Can you expand memory on the mother board, or will it be through
>      PCMCIA/trap door?

The motherboard is surface-mounted, but expansion is already available
in the other two forms.

>   5) How does it feel speed/color wise compared to other amigas (<4000).

This is quite subjective, but with fast RAM expansion and AGA, it offers
quite a bit in the price/performance category.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM, what's wrong?
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:10:12 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1gsp2lINNnkn@pith.uoregon.edu>, ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <BzG13A.2sq@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   50% of IBM's sales come from Europe (I believe that figure is about 57%,
>actually, but that's from a year or two ago). Commodore's sales are 87%
>European (and we all know why).
>

Not to sound totally nieve.....but why?

>--                                    ----------------------------------------
>Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)       

Jim

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:07:07 GMT

In article <Bz85s7.DLK@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <jbickers.0l67@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>>> more quickly than when funding for R&D at Commodore was far higher.  Again,
>>> what has changed all of a sudden that this is possible?
>>
>>    Maybe CBM used to employ a fool like you, who has since been
>>    replaced with this Lewis chap.
>
>   Call me a fool if you want, but I would not have put IDE into a high-end
>over-$3000 computer like the A4000.

Okay, you are a fool.

In your last article, you were saying that the A3000's SCSI would have
been okay for an under $3000 computer.  Now you are calling the A4000
an over-$3000 computer.  If you are going to make ridiculous statements,
at least try to be consistent in your inaccuracy.

I purchased my A4000 a month ago for significantly less than $3000, and
the retail is going to drop even further in the coming months.  As usual,
you are basing your arguments on your flawed perception of the world.
Here is a little hint: Commodore did not design the A4000 as a high-end
computer and they don't expect people to believe that it is.  The fact
that it is a very nice machine due to the AGA chipset, 040, and other
factors does not mean that it is high-end.  Compared to previous Amigas,
it may be upscale, but it is nothing next to the machines coming down
the pipeline.  

And don't you dare try to take that as a complaint from me about the A4000,
you little weasle.  I like the machine very much and would recommend it
over the A3000 or A2000 to anyone wanting an expandable Amiga.  Unlike you,
I have the ability to see the positive aspects of new products from C= and
do what I can to support it instead of bitching about everything.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

Have a rotten Xmas asshole.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

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From: sevigny@babbage (Benoit Sevigny)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: New Product Releases
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:01:22 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Tim Ciceran (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA) wrote:
: 
:  o The A4000 series DSP module is scheduled for release in the late
:    spring, along with the corresponding 3.1 device support. It is
:    a 32-bit AT&T chip, offering potential for items such as 16-bit
:    CD quality sound, voice recognition, and high-speed modem support.
: 


a Zorro III board that will also fit into the A3000, please!

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__/// remaining bugs and bottlenecks 8^)
\XX/  Benoit W Sevigny, software engineering student, sevigny@info.polymtl.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin Stuckless)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:30:11 GMT
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland

In article <1992Dec13.172708.2107@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>>In article <root.0363@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>>>It's interesting to note that Lew Eggebrecht mentioned in his address at
>>>>the WOC in Toronto that the A4000 is both 68060 and RISC-ready. When asked
>>>>what advantages RISC would offer to the Amiga line, he immediately
>>>>stated Windows NT.
>>
>>At the moment, this is highly subjective. In retrospect, it may prove to be
>>a significant offering.
>>
>
>Whoaaa! Now just a second here: I just hear from a dealer in El Paso Texas
                                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that "Microsoft was going to make Windows NT for the Amiga." At the time I
>just said, "yeah right, sure they are... and Irving Gould has left Commodore
>to me as a Christmas gift..." But now I wonder. I hate to get unfounded wild
>speculation going, but this is the second time I've heard of such a thing. 
>Why would Microsoft do that? Wouldn't they do it for the Mac (yech) first?
>Is this just a wild idea or is it really true? Or what?

   Funny you should say you heard this in Texas. Some guy on irc mentioned
something about a group called MCCC in Dallas that were working on or
talking about some Amiga RISC developments during a show there. 
 
   Coincidence.......maybe.

>Darrell Leland
>dleland@nmsu.edu


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:18:36 GMT

In article <Bz5q6M.3Fz@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:

>Certainly growth has been slower, but it is still growing!  It just
>forces people to incorporate new technologies faster.  Look how fast
>new CPUs and local bus etc. are being pushed.  Everyone wants to be
>first and cheapest with a new technology.

No, there has actually been a net decrease in revenue throughout the
industry. Adding new features to entice the consumer base leads to
further reduction in income and greater investment in R&D for the
major players. In the end, this benefits the buyer, but makes it
difficult for corporate survival. There are simply far too many companies
offering identical components.

>That's not stagnation, it's competition.  The industry shouldn't have
>800 companies in the first place!  If half of them go out of business,
>that's just in line with other industries.

Well, for Magnavox, Everex and Zeos, it's stagnation. For Northgate, it's
assimilation, and for Fujikama, it's evaporation. Who will survive
remains to be seen.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Comic books =)
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:48:08 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>It's been years for me, too.  I've got loads of Marvel, DC, and independent
>>comics (First Comics, Comico, Eclipse, etc.).  Man, this brings back
>>memories...
>>
>>Anyone interested in a comic book sale?
>
>Well, whatcha got? (briefly)

Believe me--lots!  I don't have very old stuff, though.

I few things come to mind:

Green Arrow:  The Longbow Hunters
Green Arrow -- the first 10 or so issues
Spectre -- the first 10 or so issues
Shadow -- the first 10?
Superman -- the first 10? of the new series
Capton Atom -- the first 20?
Incredible Hulk -- about 100 issues
a few X-Men
some Daredevil
a few Thor
most of the Elric series (from First Comics), and Corum, and Hawkmoon
lots of Grendel, some of Mage
lots of Batman, some Detective Comics
much of that new Justice League series
...

I could go on and on, but I just don't remember...and I should try to
relate this stuff to the Amiga advocacy somehow (I hate too many side-
topics here).

So, are there any computerized comic books for the Amiga?  ;-)

-- Gerald
From: suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A1200 v Clones - just the figures please
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:24:19 GMT
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia

>>>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:06:41 GMT, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) said:

> I just want to know how many PC Clones there are in the world,
> broken down by country if possible.

World:   100.000.000+  
Finland:    ~800.000   (5.000.000 people)

-Heikki