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From: jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast)
Subject: Don Elliot's 1992 stats
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:26:13 GMT

In article <wbnq=jg@lynx.unm.edu>, kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.212818.5210@samba.oit.unc.edu> jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.163928.22839@mksol.dseg.ti.com> dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes:
>>OK. First thing; who the heck is Donnie Elliot? (not Bill's bro I presume)
>>:) He certainly never played in Durham (my hometown Class A Bulls) and I
>>don't recall him from the G'ville roster so what gives on this guy.
> 
> Quite a bit, from the looks of it.  Or, rather, he doesn't give a whole lot.
> He's 24, and had a 7-2 season in AA in half a year, giving up 111 baserunners
> in 104 innings and striking out 9 men a game, while posting a 2.08 ERA.  I
> gather he was injured part of the season...

For the full season, here are the stats for Don Elliot:


Team		GS	IP	H	ER	HR	BB	K
Clearwater (A)	3	18	12	6	1	8	12
REading (AA)	6	35.7	37	10	2	11	23
Greenville (AA)	17	103.2	76	24	8	35	100

I don't remember the trade, but it looks as if he was traded from the
Phillies to the Braves. Career ERA through the minors so far: 2.84
Looks like a prospect to me.

> Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
> TONIGHT-In "Ryecatcher", Holden Caulfield foils a plot to turn his old prep
> school into a right-wing military acadamy run by Neo-Nazis. 8PM(7PM C/M) Ch. 7

Great show! Don't miss it!

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From: bjf@ausom.oz.au (Brian Ferguson)
Subject: Simpson's paradox and other matters.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:51:55 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

Hi fans. This is my third attempt to use e-mail for baseball items.

In Article 32644 of 32647 (rec.sport.baseball), subject: Two instances
of Simpson's "paradox" nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
writes about Simpson's Paradox.

<text deleted>

The discussion about Simpson's Paradox is just another way of proving
an old gut-feeling of mine about the authorship and application of
baseball rules.

My experience, drawn from involvement with scoring over many years, is
that the scoring rules were written by a committee of two - one
catcher and one pitcher - from which the catcher was often away sick.
:-( from catcher.       :-)) from pitcher.     :-) from me.

Seriously folks, on a less flaming topic, could someone please advise
me:
1.  if 'Knotty Problems of Baseball' is still in print
2.  how to get a copy, by mail order if possible
3.  how much it would cost in USD or AUD,
4.  can payment be made by Visa or MasterCard.

Assistance would be much appreciated.

Best wishes to all fans.

Brian Ferguson
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From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Earl Weaver V. 2
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:58:10 GMT
Distribution: na

oh, yeah, your other question.  yes, you can get the computer to play
a predetermined schedule.  this is a really nice feature.  if you don't
want to watch the games, you can finish it in 8-12 hours or so.  also,
you can set it up so that you play a certain team (or teams), and the
computer blasts through all the other games in a minute or so.

the worst part about this is that you spend 45 minutes playing a game,
then there are, say, three computer games coming up on the schedule.
so three minutes later, the computer announces that you're up, again.
it's a little tough to get away from.

bob vesterman.
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Trade Clemens?
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:19:03 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

how about *this* trade?  which couldn't happen because of logistics,
 but i think this would be something for the ages...

clemens and greenwell to the yankees for hensley meulens, gerald williams,
 matt nokes, bob wickman, john habyan, domingo jean, and a minor prospect.

i'd do that if i were either organization.  though i see no reason for the
 greenwell-nokes part, both teams have thought about doing that end.
 actually, with ausmus gone, the yankees CAN'T do that part.  but if
 the bosox have delusions that bernie williams can play center....
 
 clemens for meulens  ,williams, wickman, habyan, jean, and a minor
 prospect seems quite fair. (prospect - not pitching).
- bob gaj
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: First in the expansion draft: contest
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:18:42 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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v_siede@pavo.concordia.ca (KALDIS,BILL) writes:
: In article <1992Nov9.124225.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast) writes...
: > 
: >	A simple contest (no prizes this time): 
: > 
: >Who will be the first player taken in the expansion draft?
: > 
: 
: David Nied, pitcher - Atlanta Braves
: 
: 
: Bill Kaldis


Bite your tongue!
If Nied goes- and the Atlanta Fishwrapper is now guessing that he
will, contrary to earlier rumors that it would be Mercker- then a
lot of people are going to want John Schuerholz' head on a plate.
Bill Anderson
"Sure, John, sure- but what have you done for me *lately*?"

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From: jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins)
Subject: Re: Whats the stupidest rule in baseball?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:53:45 GMT

tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:

>While waiting for the season to start, here's a nice time wasting topic for
>discussion:

>   What is the stupidest rule or procedure in baseball?

I think the infield fly rule is pretty stupid.  I mean, why *shouldn't*
a team be penalized more than one out when a guy pops up with men on
first and second and less than two outs?  Why cut the batter any
slack?  There is no such slack when he sends a nice groundball to short
or second.  Besides, why mess with exceptions?

I know the rule didn't always exist.  Anyone have background on why
they changed it?

     ----Jon Hamkins  (hamkins@uiuc.edu)
         University of Illinios
         Urbana, IL
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: the anti-hit is gone
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:31:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.132250.27024@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:
>In article <Ef32w3G00WB5N7VV4h@andrew.cmu.edu> Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>Jose Lind has been traded to the Kansas City Royals for Gary
>>Moeller(spelling) and some guy named Johnson.

[...]

>Now for the big question, just WHAT are the Royals doing?  They already have
>a fine second baseman (Miller).  Lind hasn't played SS since A ball, and
>Miller hasn't played much SS at all in his career.  If they are planning on
>moving Miller to SS and playing Lind at 2B, they WHY did they protect Howard
>in the draft???

The mediot logic is "Well, he isn't very good, but they don't have
anyone else to replace him."  Gee, have we heard of free agency?  Minor
league free agency?  Trades?  Somehow, I can't believe that they
couldn't have protected Conine, and then picked up Alvaro Espinoza.  Or
Alfredo Griffin.  Or Felix Fermin.  Or Flipper the Dolphin.  *Anyone*
who can hit better than Howard.

(Then again, this isn't a given.   Howard *did* hit as well as Luis
Rivera.  Park adjust, and he probably had a much better year.)

>This trade makes no sense at all to me.  They didn't give up a lot, but it
>doesn't make sense to give up anything for a player you don't need.

Hey, a lineup with McRae, Howard *and* Lind would strike fear into the
hearts of Little League pitchers everywhere.

>If they are planning on moving Miller back to the OF and playing Lind and
>Howard in the infield, I quit. I hear the Indians are looking for new fans...

Hey, look on the bright side.  This could improve their team.  Maybe 
they're planning on replacing Brian "Nepotism" McRae with Miller.  Nahhh.

I dunno; what *are* they going to do with Miller?

They could move Miller to third and move Jeffries to the outfield.  That
might make sense.  Miller isn't really a third baseman, but then again,
neither is Jeffries.

-- 
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR! Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:06:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.045210.9637@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:
>
>Very good analysis.  Can you redo it with Gruber in the picture?

Sure.  In general, the team which receives the best player wins the
deal.  Baerga is clearly more valuable than either Borders or Gruber.
And Sandy Alomar ain't too bad himself.

The Indians would be idiots to trade a *young* *superstar* for two 30
year old players who never amounted to particularly much even in their
prime.

But then, the Indians have never been interested in winning games.
Their excuse *used* to be that they wanted to dump salary.  But now
they can't use that as an excuse.  They hardly have any salary left to
dump!  Obviously, somebody is trying to kill the team.

-Valentine
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From: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Subject: Re: Clemens Market Value (trade with Toronto)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 03:46:55 GMT

In article <By51G4.Hrn@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
>In <1992Nov22.204157.4336@oz.plymouth.edu> s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean) writes:
>
>>Throw in Wild Juan Guzman with Bell Ward and Delgado for Clemens and
>>Greenwell and I think it is the best offer I've seen here so far.  Ted?
>
>  Well for starters, Toronto doesn't want Mike Greenwell and his high contract.
>Second of all throwing in Guzman makes the trade a ripoff from Toronto's
>standpoint. Do you really think that Toronto thinks that the difference 
>between Clemens and Guzman is equal to an excellent closer, the best minor 
>league catching prospect and a solid outfield prospect?
>
>					Gord Niguma
>					(fav player: John Olerud)

Gordy,

The above was a sarcastic joke.  We all know that Clemens is the most
valuable pitcher to his team, Division, and League.  Why would anyone
want to trade him to begin with?

shaun


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From: sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm)
Subject: Minor trade
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:36:09 GMT

I heard that the Twins traded Darren Reed to the Mets, but who did they get
in return?  I'm assuming it was little more than a six-pack and a bag of 
peanuts.  Just curious.

Steve Kelm    sckelm@vincent1.iastate.edu


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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Keith Mitchell ???
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:20:59 GMT


How could the expansion teams pass on Keith Mitchell. As an avid Braves fan,
he looked great last year (.318 avg on pennant contender) and has good minor
league credentials. He's young and he has shown he can hit ML pitching. True 
he did slump a bit in spring and this year in AAA but I think he could step
in and play a good LF for Colorado or Florida for a long time.

After Nied was taken (brilliant choice, kills me to see him go as he's from
Dallas where I live) Mitchell was available. Castilla was taken (another good
choice, great defense) but he probably would have been available at the end.
If you take Mitchell second and Castilla last, or vice versa, you can avoid
Armando Reynoso, who is decent but will never be great. Mitchell at least has
the potential to be a good one.

The Braves escaped from this a lot better than I thought they would. I mean
Marvin Freeman, Damon Berryhill and Mitchell were readily available and not
taken.  The expansion clubs could have hurt the Braves a lot more than they
did.

Braves look real good to repeat as NL champs. Should be interesting '93 season!

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From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: creative managing
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:43:32 GMT

In article <BxtI46.9u5@deshaw.com> baseggio@deshaw.com (Franco Baseggio) writes:
>What about a lefty-righty reliever combo where they can both play
>left-field?  Has a pitcher ever been moved to a non-pitching position
>and then back again?  
>
>Franco
>
Sam McDowell of the Indians in the late sixties played a third of
an inning against the Yankees at second base. I was at the game 
and I thought it was really weird.

Don
don@island.com






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From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Subject: Expansion draft update -- LIVE
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:56:49 GMT

                          MLB Expansion Draft
                              Live Update
                              as of 12:50

                                Round 1
   Colorado Rockies                          Florida Marlins
 1) David Nied, RHP, Atlanta               1) Nigel Wilson, OF, Toronto
 2) Charlie Hayes, 3B, N. Y. Yankees       2) Jose Martinez, RHP, N. Y. Mets
 3) Darren Holmes, RHP, Milwaukee          3) Bret Barberie, 2B, Montreal
 4) Jerald Clark, OF, San Diego            4) Trevor Hoffman, RHP, Cincinnati
 5) Kevin Reimer, OF, Texas                5) Pat Rapp, RHP, San Francisco
 6) Eric Young, 2B, Los Angeles            6) Greg Hibbard, LHP, C. White Sox
 7) Jody Reed, 2B, Boston                  7) Chuck, Carr, OF, St. Louis
 8) Scott Aldred, LHP, Detroit             8) Darrell Whitmore, OF, Cleveland
 9) Alex Cole, OF, Pittsburgh              9) Eric Helfand, C, Oakland
10) Joe Girardi, C, C. Cubs               10) Bryan Harvey, RHP, California
11) Willie Blair, RHP, Houston
 
-- 
Continuing your live Expansion Draft Updates,
Jason Lee
jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
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From: dmeister@mansci1.UWaterloo.ca (Darren Meister)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR!  Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:16:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.223816.28584@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:
>Well, the Indians have offered the Blue Jays always-hurt catcher Sandy Alomar
>in exchange for World Series hard working MVP catcher Pat Borders.
>
>Apparently Pat Gillick turned this offer down.  But, Gillick wants
>Baerga included in the deal.  The Indians said, in that case, short stop
>Manuel Lee must be thrown in the deal as well.
>
>So, the trade on the table is:
>
>Alomar and Baerga for Borders and Lee
>
>I don't understand this deal at all.  Roberto Alomar is already in 2B, why
>need Baerga?  Could Baerga be used for another trade????????

If I had a dollar everytime I had heard so far in the off season about
a true trade rumour that included a free agent well ... I could probably
afford to sign Manny Lee. 

-- 
Darren Meister                                    dmeister@mansci1.waterloo.edu
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Post-Draft Thoughts (was:Reaction to Rockies Draft)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:14:52 GMT

In article <BxzqAn.45p@mach1.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:
>
>It is, as they say, to laugh.
>Being a Blue Jays fan, I've always said the same about Devon White batting
>leadoff. But nobody ever listened to me. In fact, I'd get toasted
>regularly for it. Now, strangely enough, here's somebody saying that a
>quality leadoff hitter can hit .230.

That's because you never listened.

A lead-off hitter needs to get on base, period.  White is horrible at getting
on base.  Barberie is good at getting on base.  That is the difference.  And
that is why BA is virtually useless.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dave Hollins is a god
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:10:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Nuff said?????????????

John "You can call me Mr. Baseball" Randolph
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From: wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones)
Subject: Re: Maduux gone, Cubs alive?
Keywords: Cubs, Maddux
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:50:25 GMT

arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>Personally, I think the Cubs are only a few players from having a darn good
>team. 

...bunches deleted...

>I picture a lineup of:
>______
>Grace 1B
>Sandberg 2B
>_______
>_______
>Sosa CF
>Duunston SS
>Sanchez 3B
>Pitcher

WOW!  Those are some big holes! I guess you're saying that all the Cubs need
to be a good team is a lead off hitter, a # four and # five hitter....Isn't
that what every team needs?
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR!  Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:30:54 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov16.223816.28584@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:
>Well, the Indians have offered the Blue Jays always-hurt catcher Sandy Alomar
>in exchange for World Series hard working MVP catcher Pat Borders.
>
>So, the trade on the table is:
>
>Alomar and Baerga for Borders and Lee
>

Okay, let me get this straight.  The Carter-S.Alomar deal becomes:
   Chris James, Pat Borders, Manny Lee   for Joe Carter
We already have Tony Fernandez for Wally Whitehurst and a PTBNL.

So, we now have:

Chris James, Pat Borders, Manny Lee, Roberto Alomar
for 
Wally Whitehurst, Fred McGriff, and a PTBNL.

Now, as good as McGriff is, Robbie is a good deal straight up.  Robbie's got
to be worth more than McGriff, but we'll call it even.  Chris James can't be
worth more than a PTBNL at this point.  So What we end up with is...

Wally Whitehurst for Borders and Lee.  Or, conversely, Whitehurst for Berga
and Sandy.  Wow, can I be Whitehurst's agent??????

(Note:  The above is intended to be exactly as it appears: a silly post
that hopefully will cause a smile, and is not the way things are meant to be.)
-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
TONIGHT-In "Ryecatcher", Holden Caulfield foils a plot to turn his old prep
school into a right-wing military acadamy run by Neo-Nazis. 8PM(7PM C/M) Ch. 7
                                                        -The Book of Sequels...
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Dodgers
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:54:16 GMT

In article <1ee835INN8ap@agate.berkeley.edu> ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:
>    BUT, why did the Dodgers protect Kevin GRoss.  This guy is a career
>    sub-500 pitcher who has always had good stuff but doesn't seem
>    to use it.  The Dodgers have enough pitchers for their starting
>    lineup(HErshiser,Martinez,Martinez,Astacio,Candiotti)
>

This surprised me also. With Gross' salary, I thought for sure he would
be unprotected. He is too expensive to be a middle reliever so my guess is
they either didn't want two inexperience ML pitchers in their rotation,
or they are planning to use Gross in the closer role, if they can obtain 
no one else (God help us).

My biggest fear as a Dodger fan, though, is that Fred Claire in his
infinite stupidity will find a way to sign Jeff Reardon. I have no inside
information, just a feeling, and experience on the trials of Fred Claire.

BTW, thumbs up on the Jody Reed acquisition.

--Les
From: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Post-draft trades???
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:47:34 GMT
Reply-To: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, mcgead@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Darren McGeary) writes:
>    Does anyone have any info on any post-draft trades that may have been
>announced.  I'd like to know if any of my rotisserie players were traded

  Well, the first one had nothing to do with the Rockies or Marlins.
  Cincinnati sent Norm Charlton to Seattle in exchange for Kevin Mitchell.

K. Scott Day   (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
Code 1252
Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000

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*     it must first take away."
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: California Angels /David Segui
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:38:27 GMT

In article <Bxrns4.HKF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130r92d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark R Miller) writes:
>Hey Buddy!

>The Angels wish that they had a player of David Segui's caliber.

>This Gaetti Guy? Who is He? A .226 average with 12 homers and 48 rbi's.
>                            .267 on base pct.

>David "The Lion" Segui!- 1 error compared to 22 for G-man.
>                       - 306 on base pct. to .267 for G-man HA!
>                       - 23K's for Segui to 79 for Gury!

That's 23 Ks in *189* ABs, vs 79 in 456.

>                       - 0 caught stealing for The Lion to 1 for Gbetto 100%
>                        better

I assume this is a joke; no matter how bad Gaetti is (and he's pretty
bad) he's still been better than Segui.  

Segui has no power to speak of; he slugged a big .296 this year, *less*
than Gaetti's .342.

And the standards are higher at first base than third, which makes Segui
comparatively even worse.

I'd *much* rather have Gaetti; at least he's old enough so that he'll
retire soon, and no one is going to be fooled into thinking he'll get
better if they just play him a lot.  Segui, on the other hand, has the
potential to be the Orioles *full time* firstbaseman.  Whoopee.

>Based on those stats alone we KNOW who that the LION is better than Garbonzo
>Gbetti (oops Gary Gaetti) or as his teamates alone G-man!

-- 
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niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
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