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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:36:24 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Govt warned on labor strife

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 16:40:40+0700
From: yongyuth@munnari.oz.au (Yongyuth Pahirah)

A LABOUR leader and a senior government official yesterday said they expected
an intense struggle would occur over labour problems involving private workers
during the term of the new government.

  The workers' efforts to secure better employment conditions have been
  contained since the military coup in February last year.

  After the elected government of Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai is established,
  the workers would likely step up their fight for improved conditions, said
  Panit Charoenpao of the Thai Trade Union Congress.

  Existing labour problems could spark political turmoils if the new
  government would not find quick solutions or pay more attention to the
  workers' trouble, he said.

  Deputy director general of the Labour Welfare and Protection Department,
  Vichitra Panthum, said the labour situation after the formation of the Chuan
  government would likely be similar to that after the pro-democracy uprising
  in October 1973 when there were intensive fights for workers' better
  benefit.

  The obvious difference is that labour leaders now are stronger and better
  educated, she said.

  The two were speaking to a seminar entitled ``Labour Situation after the
  Election'' at the Grand Hyatt Erawan Hotel in the Rajprasong area yesterday.

  Panit said in his opinion, the Chuan government is very unstable and is an
  administration in the dream rather than a practical government.

  The labour leader added that he did not expect the new government to work
  effectively in solving major problems of the country.

  Vice president of the Employers' Association, Sopon Vichitkorn, said in the
  same seminar that he expected the new interior minister, who was tipped to
  be New Aspiration Party leader Gen Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, to make use of his
  post in boosting his party's popularity among workers.

  Sopon said he was confident in the efficiency of the Chuan government but
  was concerned that it could face difficulty handling labour issues since
  some MPs who have close relations with labour groups are in the opposition
  bloc.
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 11:04:30 CDT
From:         TeChi Chang <C557361@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      MY: ISA on those who instigate muslims to renounce ISLAM.
              25 Sep 1992 23:08:47 CDT from <chai@SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

On Fri, 25 Sep 1992 23:08:47 CDT Ian Chai said:
>Straits Times (Singapore) Weekly Overseas Edition
>August 29, 1992
>
>GOVERNMENT WARNS OF ISA AGAINST THOSE WHO  INSTIGATE  MUSLIMS  TO
>RENOUNCE ISLAM
>
>Kuala Lumpur -- The Malaysian government would  not  hesitate  to
>invoke  the  Internal  Security  Act [1] to detain individuals or
>leaders of political parties if they instigated Muslim believers,
>including  new  converts, to renounce Islam, the Malaysian Berita
>Harian [2] reported on Tuesday.
>
>Deputy Home Minister Datuk [3] Megat Junid Megat Ayob,  who  dis-
>closed  this in Kuantan on Monday, said that the government would
>first determine the true intentions of their actions.
>
>"If they truly had bad intentions, that is, to instigate the pub-
>lic,  including  new  Muslim  converts,  the government would not
>hesitate to take harsh measures by detaining them under the ISA,"
>the Malay-language newspaper quoted him as saying.
>
>"The government would take  those  measures  because  instigating
>Muslims and new Muslim converts into leaving Islam is a sensitive
>matter and could spark conflict among the people."
>

I think the ISA would be the last means to be used against those
who really have bad intention of creating racial disharmony through
religion conflict. I believe under the current Malaysian Law, it is
unlawful to even preach to a muslim on any other religions, besides
Islam. However, if it's the own free will of that individual to
renounce Islam, would ISA still be applied?

>
>Asked about a report that an association  in  Mentakab,  Pahahng,
>had offered M$200,000 (US$80,000) to a Muslim convert to renounce Islam...
>

A crazy idea! A true Muslim who has deep faith and commitment to Islam
would not even think about the money (at least those that I know). Imagine,
almost two-third of Malaysian population are Muslims, if such an association
is able to offer each individual M$200,000, they must be richer than the
Sultan of Brunei.

---

TeChi Chang
School of Nursing, Columbia
Email: c557361@mizzou1.missouri.edu
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:32:00 CDT
From:         "C.S.Tham (507) 457-3085 Winona MN"
              <CS377533@VAX2.WINONA.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flight information to Malaysia/Japan

Good suggestion K.

I think all of us should really be careful when dealing with any business
institutions that are at a distance from us.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:56:47 -0400
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: VN plans more oil wells

09/27

Vietnam plans more oil wells

    HANOI, Sept 28, Reuter - Vietnam plans to increase petroleum output by
drilling new off-shore oil wells this year and putting its Rong (Dragon) field
into production for the first time, the official newspaper Quan Doi Nhan Dan
said on Monday.
    It said Vietnam's joint oil production venture with Russia, Vietxopetro, was
using new technology that had recently boosted daily output at some operating
wells from 60 to 200 tonnes.
    Vietxopetro, Vietnam's only oil producing company, pumped 3.9 million tonnes
in 1991 and forecast 5.4 million for 1992. Groups from Britain, Canada, France,
the Netherlands and other countries are exploring, but none has found commercial
amounts.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:45:40 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      IN: Student resume service

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:59:13 PDT
From: GUNAWAN HERRI <herri@eclair.berkeley.EDU>
To: indonesians@janus.berkeley.EDU
Subject: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ!

Dear Fellow Indonesians,

INDONESIAN CAREER CONNECTION (ICC) RESUME BOOK

The  Berkeley Indonesian Student Association (BISA), the Indonesian
Professional Association (IPA), and the University of California at
Berkeley  Career  Planning  and  Placement  Center  are  taking the
initiative  to promote  the link  between  Indonesian  students and
professionals  in  the  US and the business community in Indonesia.
The ICC Program is aimed to facilitate contacts in order to support
companies' recruitment efforts.

RESUME BOOK

In implementing the ICC program, we  are  publishing a resume book.
This book  will be a  compilation of resumes of Indonesian students
from 75 selected  universities across the US who will be graduating
within a year  and of Indonesian professionals who intend to return
to Indonesia. The resume  book  will  then  be  distributed  to  30
leading  local  and  multinational companies in Indonesia, such as:

   Astra International     Dharmala Group     Procter & Gamble
   Andersen Consulting     Gajah Tunggal      KPMG
   Bank Central Asia       IBM / USI          Union Carbide
   Bakrie Brothers         Indocement         Unocal
   Citibank, N.A.          Inti Salim         Warner Lambert
   Coopers & Lybrand       Metro Data         and more!!

Send your resume to us now!  The  resume book will open your career
opportunities in Indonesia.


-------------------------------------------------------------------
INTERESTED APPLICANTS:

 1. CONTACT herri@eclair.berkeley.edu for any questions.
 2. INCLUDE : NAME
              ADDRESS
              EMAIL ADDRESS
 3. ELIGIBILITY : MUST BE GRADUATED BY AUGUST 1993
 4. DEADLINES : OCTOBER 16, 1992 FOR APPLICANTS INTERESTED TO APPLY
                TO CITIBANK, N.A.
                NOVEMBER 6, 1992 FOR OTHER COMPANIES
 5. COMPLETED  QUESTIONNAIRE  THAT  WE  WILL  MAIL  TO  YOU ONCE WE
    RECEIVE YOUR  ADDRESS  (This  will  be  used  for  listing  the
    "personal  data  section" at the end of the resume book so that
    employers may be able to identify job candidates)
 6. RESUME MUST BE ONLY ONE PAGE AND OF LASER PRINT QUALITY!
    (resume  more  than  one  page  length  and  not of laser print
    quality WILL BE RETURNED!)
 7. $5 (non-refundable) check or money order made payable to :
                INDONESIAN PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION
 8. Send resume to :

        BERKELEY INDONESIAN STUDENT ASSOCIATION
        P.O.BOX 4773
        BERKELEY, CA 94704
        ATTN: GUNAWAN HERRI

We hope to hear from you soon!
Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely,


Gunawan Herri
herri@eclair.berkeley.edu
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:15:06 EDT
From:         "K. Mat-Salleh" <matsalle@HERBARIUM.BPP.MSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flight information to Malaysia/Japan

 >
>Watch out if you deal with Master Travel in california.  I have friends on two
>accounts suffered lost of money by booking air ticket through the company.  The
>agent was either intentionally or unintentionally made errors on their booked
>ticket, and denied any responsibility.
>

As far as I know, Master Travel is a member of IATA.  I don't know if
they are realiable or not, but I have no problem dealing with them.
But that was only once.

My advice to folks who want to purchase tickets through
travel agents like this, is, NEVER SEND YOUR CASH.
make sure you charge it to a credit or charge card.
You can always complain it to your credit card company if you
ever have problem with your ticket.

k.


Dislaimer: I am in no way related or have interest in Master Travel,
just a customer.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:52:23 -0500
From:         Max Becherer <becherer@SUNA0.CS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Burma: getting ready for offensive

     What I don't understand is why, if the West is so irritated at the Junta,
don't we provide the rebels with weapons ?  If I had my way, we would supply
them with between 500 million and 1 billion dollars in armements.


Refer comments, suggestions, flames to

                 Max Becherer    becherer@cs.uiuc.edu

       Nothing Evil lasts forever -- the Future belongs to the Free.
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:29:00 CST
From:         ACKERMAN DAVID J <ACKERMDJ@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: POWs and tolerance

        I agree with Ian - the "del" function in the mail software works wonders
 to rid yourself of messages you may not want to read.

        I do disagree with banning them. Some observations:

        1. A rather interesting thread on recognition of Vietnam has developed
from their presence. So, they must have stimulated someone's thinking...

        2. A number of people who are interested in POWs are also interested
in SEASIA. Which interest came first is irrelevant...

        3. SInce this is potentailly the next Iran-Conta scandal for this
administration, it may be useful to follow it. Of course, if you don't
chose/want to, you can exercise your right to type "del".

        4. A little tolerance goes a long way. I may not want to read
everything that comes over this list (and in fact I regulalrly delete
a sizeable portion of the messages based on the subject line), I don't
fire off questions about why we all have to read about _______ (insert
any topic that is discussed - someone is bound to find it boring as all
get out).

        5. The basic cornerstone of freedom is the free flow of information.
Once you start to ban one thing, your topic may be next.

Regards and happy messaging...

Dave Ackerman
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:03:40 -0700
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From:         Judith Henchy <judithh@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: not more pow articles

Does upholding of the Peace Accords also mean US payment of the war
reparations promised?   Judith Henchy

On Fri, 25 Sep 1992, KIM PATTERSON wrote:

> Max,
>   I agree with you. We should not normalize relations with Vietnam!
>   There is a bill and I will have to check it's title, called the
>   Free Vietnam bill, which would call for not allowing normalization
>   until VIetnam is no longer under communist rule! I think that the
>   only flaw of the hearings is that Kerry makes it sound that we will
>   normalize upon resolution. I hope not.
>    We must demand that the Paris Peace Accords are upheld, that there
>   is as full accounting for the missing as possible, and let communism
>   go to it's destiny-oblivion.
>   Kim Patterson
>
> I hope that SEASIA will continue to pass along all news concerning
> the POW/MIA issue.
>
> *************************************************BITNET:  ICFH500@INDYCMS
> Kim Patterson
> Internet:  ICFH500@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU
> "The attempt to combine wisdom and power has only rarely been successful,
> and then only for a short while."                       --Albert Einstein
> *************************************************************************
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:41:02 -0400
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: VN passes law to strengthen government

09/30

Vietnam passes law to strengthen government

    HANOI, Sept 30, Reuter - The Vietnamese National Assembly passed a law on
government structure on Wednesday intended to cut bureaucracy, make state
bodies work more efficiently and give state leaders clearer powers and
responsibilities.
    The "Law on Government Organisation" is designed to help flesh out a new
constitution passed last April under which a collective council of ministers
and its chairman are replaced by a cabinet and prime minister.
    Vo Van Kiet, who was chairman of the council of ministers, was elected by
the assembly to a five-year term as prime minister on September 24.
    Vietnamese observers told Reuters that 380 of the 388 deputies present at
Ba Dinh national assembly hall on Wednesday voted for the new law, four voted
against it and four abstained, following several days of debate.
    No text was immediately released. But earlier drafts of the law outlined
the responsibilities of the prime minister, deputy prime ministers and other
ministers and their relationship with the national assembly.
    The drafts gave the prime minister the power to appoint or remove deputy
ministers and to cancel or suspend decisions made by ministers, and provincial
and town authorities that run counter to the constitution, the law or national
government policy.
    Local officials and foreign businessmen have expressed frustration in the
past over the inability of the Hanoi government to make various ministries and
provincial authorities implement national policies.
    A socialist system that has existed in Hanoi since 1954 has promoted
collective decision-making, while making many government officials shirk
individual responsbility and initiative.
    The assembly, which elected General Le Duc Anh as president on September
23, is expected to approve a new cabinet this week.
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:33:08 -0500
From:         Max Becherer <becherer@SUNA0.CS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Woooowww....wooooowww

>>
>>      It seems to me that you are defending the indefensible...Indonesian
>> atrocities against the people of East Timor are very well documented.  You
>> suggest thet some East Timorese "want to be a part of Indonesia".  Is it
>> possible that these East Timorese are government lackeys ?
>>
>>                 Max Becherer    becherer@cs.uiuc.edu
>
>Here you go....  You just don't understand. Look at surrounding you
>place. There are so many unemployed, illiterate, poor people who
>need support and education. My point is, there are a lot of things to
>do to make you environment cleaner and more beutiful. Why do you keep
>trying to avoid the local problems and go away from your place just for
                   ^^^ Irrelevant.  The topic at hand is East Timor, not the
  United States.  Changing the subject will not change things in East Timor.

>releasing you pain by talking and criticizing something out there that
>you don't know. Well documented? According to whom? You are better than
                   ^^^ Ever hear of Amnesty International ?  If even 5% of
what they say about Indonesia's behavior in East Timor is true, then there
are plenty of reasons for condemnation.

>those running government? Get out!!!
                 ^^^ Opressive governments tend to be emancipated in their
treatment of the facts.  In other words, they have a nasty tendancy to lie.

>Be real! Get real! and there are so many real things are going on
>just right in your place. I tell you what, why don't you just tell
>me, whats the different between anthropology and journalism? Than
                 ^^^ What does this smoke screen have to do with East Timor ?

>you will know as an outsider why you got the report like that.


>The problem here is not who defends whom. But how you could be a
>brilliant helper to solve so many problems in you place, before
>you go out to take a shot somewhere else. More than that the more
>intellectual discussion is the better, than just mucking around.
   ^^^ I repeat, what does THIS smoke screen have to do with East Timor ?

>No flame, please. I just try to follow your sense of humor here.
   ^^^ Sorry, you're already crispy.

regards,
-ar

>       Nothing Evil lasts forever -- the Future belongs to the Free.

>Yes, and even you find evil everywhere :-).
                        ^^^ Like in Indonesia, perhaps ?

      There was nothing of substance in this response, only smoke screens
to avoid addressing Indonesia's brutal treatment of East Timor.  Rarely have
I encountered a more pathetic debating opponent.





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                 Max Becherer    becherer@cs.uiuc.edu

       Nothing Evil lasts forever -- the Future belongs to the Free.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:40:51 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Manoon expected to fight charges

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:15:31+0700
From: kamol@munnari.oz.au (Kamol Hengkietisak)

FUGITIVE Young Turk officer Maj-Gen Manoon Roopkachorn may return from
overseas to face charges of masterminding an assassination plot
against national figures, First Special Branch Division commander Pol
Maj-Gen Yothin Matayomnand said yesterday.

Maj-Gen Manoon has been subject to the charge since the National
Peace-keeping Council staged a coup d'etat on February 23 last year.

Pol Maj-Gen Yothin said that he believes Maj-Gen Manoon will now
return to fight the charges since a new elected government will be in
power.

He was at first due to return after the general elections but delayed
it.

"He could come back now because things will be better. He has a lot of
friends in political circles and the political atmosphere is much
better," Pol Maj-Gen Yothin said.

Central Investigation Bureau Commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Thanu Homhual has
made enquiries with the Immigration Police concerning the unknown
arrival date of Maj-Gen Manoon.

Pol Lt-Gen Thanu was in charge of the alleged assassination plot
investigation.

Maj-Gen Manoon is leader of the Class 7 Young Turk officers of the
Chulachomklao Military Academy which has been in conflict with the
Class 5 officers led by former prime minister Gen Suchinda Kraprayoon
and former army chief Gen Issarapong Noonpakdee.
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:12:02 PDT
From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Burma: Article from BKK Post

Subject: Burma: Article from Bangkok Post

The Nation Sept. 10. 1992

Hated Slorc Keeps strong hold in power

In Burma, most agree that the repressive junta must go. But nobody
knows how and when. Lynne O'Donnell of Reuter reports from Rangoon.

There is one thing that almost all Burmese people seem to agree on -
their country's government has got to go. Whether they are eking out
a living in what is now one of the world's 10 poorest countries, or
working in exile to overthrow the ruling military junta, or cooperating
with it to preserve their privileges, all says its days are numbered.

"The only reason this government holds on to power is because it holds
on to guns," said a young man in Burma's second city, Mandalay. "If it
didn't have the guns, on one would have anything to fear."

The junta, know as the State Law and Restoration Council (SLORC)
seized power in 1988 after an abortive anti-government uprising
which saw hundreds of thousands of people take to the streets
to demand democracy and the reinstatement of long-suppressed
civil and political liberties.

According to human rights watchdog Amnesty International, the
junta is responsible for systematic persecution including, detention
without trial and torture.

Amnesty and other groups such as Asia Watch characterize the government
as one of the most brutal in the world. One 23-year-old student who
has been living in exile in Bangkok said he organized demonstrations
in Rangoon in early 1988, only to be arrested, tortured and imprisoned
for month afterwards. Military Intelligence personnel interrogated him.
"When I told them I didn't know anything, they accused me of lying
and beat me with wire", he said. "This went on all night for three
or four nights."

After hiding for a year in the jungle on the Thai border,he made his way to
Bangkok where he works with the all Burma Federation of student Unions,
whose aim,he say,is to overthrow the government.
   The junta'spower at the grassroots of society grew out its vast network
of spies and informer,sources inside and outside the country said.
   "Every second person in Burma is in the pay of the military," said
Amanda Zappia, Australian representative of the so-called government-in-
exile,the National Coalition Government of the Union of Burma.
   Burmese said poverty forced people to inform.The average monthly income
is 1,200 kyat and while the official exchange rate is around five kyat to
the dollar,the black market rate can run as hight as  110.
   People say food for one costs at least 800 kyat a month.
   "They wont oppose the military,"the student said."But they need the
money to by food for their families.