From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:52:12 GMT

jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:

>In article <1992Dec28.075957.19167@wetware.com>, drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>|> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>|> 
>|> ] 
>|> ] I read this and was sickened by it.  All I've got to say is that's what
>|> ] the death penalty is for.  I honestly hope those three killers get the
>|> ] gas chamber, no appeals.
>|> ] 
>|> ] Call me crude, but something must be done.
>|> ] 
>|> ] Simon
>|> ] 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> thanks simon, I was often confused about
>|> your commitment to the sanctity of all human life....

>This is the same attitude I have seen from pro-lifers
>all along.  They'll get arrested to save a life, but
>once the baby is born they could care less.  Try to get
>some of these folks to support social programs like
>WIC or foodstamps.  It's a hoot!


>Jared Dahl
>Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
>Don't send e-mail - I won't get it.


Blah blah blah.. how many times have we heard this ludicrous argument.
In taking a life a murderer forfeits his rights because he has WILLINGLY
with MALICE ended another person's life and given evidence that he cannot
be trusted to participate in society.  Laws are designed not only to enforce
morals, but to teach them (Why does it seem like I keep saying this...).
The only way a law can teach is if the punishment fits the crime and
if it is executed SWIFTLY.

An unborn baby has undertaken no conscious action of any kind, nor with
any malice, to threaten any member of society.  Thus, without due process,
it is your contention that this baby be found guilty of nothing and 
sentenced to death for it.

The resistance you hear from "us" concerning social programs is not
a result of our lack of respect or concern for human life, rather it is
from the opposite, our concern for human life.  Creating a welfare state
inhibits people's belief in themselves, promotes and reinforces their
feelings of helplessness rather than encouraging the desire to change their
situation by themselves, and punishes those who have accepted the 
responsibility for their own destiny (ie. people who work).

This is not meant to imply that certain situations don't exist where some
assistance is warranted, but rather that many more exist that would be
better solved by encouraging self-dependence rather than state-dependence.


Edward Simmonds


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