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From: jmellen@carroll1.cc.edu (John Mellen)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
Subject: More on Institutional Deadbeats
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: jmellen@carroll1.cc.edu (John Mellen)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI


The point that I am trying to make with respect to dead-beat laws
such as Senate Bill 1150--Reauthorization of the Higher Education
Act of 1966, and dead-beat policies such as company rules which
exclude the children of NCPs from employer-paid benefits, is that
these policies fly in the face of "family values" because they
are written in such a way as to *ALWAYS* exclude one parent.  To 
me it is hard to understand how public and private regulations
can operate in such a grossly discriminatory fashion.


Being an expert on the population dynamics of parasites and not
an expert on constitutional protections this leaves me confused. 
Shouldn't NCP's have the same rights (is this equal protection
under the law?) as their counterparts in intact families?  Why
should parents, and children, in dissolved families get treated
so differently compared to the treatment recieved by intact
families?  Has this position ever been tested in court?

To me this seems like an issue that is worthy of pursuit. 
Securing benefits for children is morally unassailable (sp?).  In
this fight NCP's, CP's and other supporters of children's rights
can stand on the same moral high ground (for once).  That is to
say herein lies an opportunity to look like something other than
an ogre.
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
Subject: Pro Male Legislation
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:27:26 GMT
Organization: HP Western Response Center

California Senator Charles Calderone 
and Mr. Kelly Jensen are drafting pro-
male legislation. Kelly (and perhaps 
Senator Calderone) will be in San Jose
soon to meet with interested folks. 
This is a chance to change the system.

Who:    Mr. Kelly Jensen / 
	Senator Charles Calderone
        916 327 8315
What:   Pro-male legislation
Where:  Trinity Episcopal Church
        at 2nd and St. John
	San Jose, CA
When:   7 pm

Here's what you can do to help:

	1.) Bring interested women	
	2.) Make or bring a mailing list
	3.) Cooperate toward a consensus
	4.) Prepare to legislate in January
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
Subject: Re: CS for College
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 18:33:03 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

-> In article <3353@carroll1.cc.edu> jmellen@carroll1.cc.edu (John Mellen) write
-> >the child on thier tax return is eligible to apply. 
-> >Consequently, in situations of divorce, this will ALWAYS result
-> >in eliminating one parent from eligibility from the program.
-> >Guess who that usually means???  
-> >
-> >Similarly, faculty and staff of many insitutions of higher
-> >education are provided tuition remission or wiavers by their
-> >employer.  I am aware of a number of institutions in the Council
-> >of Independent Colleges Tuition Exchange Program, which deny NCP
-> >employees this benefit on the basis that the children do not
-> >appear as dependents on the employees tax forms.  
-> 
-> 	I wonder how many CP's would give the tax deduction to the
-> 	NCP for those benefits?

If my kids' father were actually to seek these benefits, and if I
weren't able to provide them myself, I would.

It would be better to argue, IMHO, for a change in the way these
benefits are meted out.  This is one area in which the child from an
"intact" family has a huge advantage over the single-parent kid.

The measure of parenthood should lie in the genes and in the
involvement, not the 1040 filing status.

BTW, each year we work out the numbers, and whatever way works out
the best (I get both deductions, he gets them, or we split them) is
the way it goes.  It has until now always been better for me to take
the deductions.  This year the advantage is his, so he will get the
deductions.  We will share in the reward (as he has in years past).

....................................................................
All humble opinions expressed are my own.  Any resemblance to actual
opinions, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
From: jmellen@carroll1.cc.edu (John Mellen)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
Subject: CS for College
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:53:23 GMT
Reply-To: jmellen@carroll1.cc.edu (John Mellen)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

I will not argue over parental obligations to support the college
education of thier offspring, but I will point out, again, that
this is another area of institutionalized discrimination against
the NCP.

The renewed HigherEducation Act, passed this summer, provides for
*low interest loans to parents to support the college education
of their **dependent** children*.  In Wisconsin the program is
referred to as PLUS.   Under this program only parents who claim
the child on thier tax return is eligible to apply. 
Consequently, in situations of divorce, this will ALWAYS result
in eliminating one parent from eligibility from the program.
Guess who that usually means???  

Similarly, faculty and staff of many insitutions of higher
education are provided tuition remission or wiavers by their
employer.  I am aware of a number of institutions in the Council
of Independent Colleges Tuition Exchange Program, which deny NCP
employees this benefit on the basis that the children do not
appear as dependents on the employees tax forms.  

Clearly this type of treatment is not an incentive for NCP's to
become economic partners in their children's college education. 
It is an underground message telling NCP's that they are not
worthy of being recognized as parents.

--------------------------------------------------------------
When I asked for a break, I didn't intend that you hit me
with a brick.
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Newsgroups: alt.child-support



                WHICH STATES HAVE THE LOWEST AND HIGHEST
                   CHILD SUPPORT FOR PATERNITY SUITS?

Just send me email with two pieces of info:

	1.) The name of the state 

	2.) The percentage of after tax income that is awarded for 
	child support for children born out of wedlock

For example, my award was in California, which forces men to pay about 23% of 
our after tax income for one child.

All entries will be anonymous, and I'll post a summary of the responses by
state. IMHO it will be interesting to see which jurisdictions extort the
most and least money from men forced into fatherhood.

                        ENTER THE SURVEY NOW!	
Xref: sparky alt.child-support:3387 soc.couples:3869 soc.men:17222 soc.women:17278
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support,soc.couples,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: What a Problem!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:23:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.child-support
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep30.160830.5508@walter.cray.com> jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood) writes:
+that you are probably going to receive a substantial amount of
+support, presuming you're both, WOOPS, HE is a professional. The
+trick is to remarry to a schlep with MORE DOE. That way the ex 
+can take the kids for the summer and you don't have to give any
+child support back, but instead, you can use the child support
+to pay for your semi-annual european vacation OR pay for the
+lake home. 

This is why the custodial parent should be the couple's maximum wage
earner. Unfortunately modern theology has it that the child's best
interest is served by being place with the parent who has no or
little income, and making the non-CP pay for the 'baby-sitter'.

Some argue that men win 50-75 percent of their custody battles,
however, what is not often mentioned is that 75% of custody is
uncontested and the children go to the mother, hence men only wind
up custodial parents in about 12% of the cases, and often only after a
fight.

There are a few rare spectacular cases where the woman was not given
custody, and the man had an 'unusual' lifestyle, and the woman
argued for custody. There such a case in So Cal a few years back
were a gay man with a  live-in lover was given custody and the
former wife, a fundamentalist Christian, fought for custody. The man
was awarded custody, and the ex-wife kidnapped th child. Eventually
the child was returned to the man, the wife prosecuted. When the man
died the boy remaind with the man's lover rather than return to his
mother, he was 17 at the time and did not have much more time in
minority anyway.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: Re: Meshtak, deflects Blades attack
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct2.072632.3605@cheshire.oxy.edu>, dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes...
>	Meshtak takes a moment to shoot a couple of arrows into Blade, but they
>don't penetrate the creature's powerful exoskeleton. So Meshtak rushes over to
>Arcadio. "You a wizard?" he asks desperately. "Never mind, it doesn't matter.
>Can you help me lure this guy to the docks? I can't pull too many tricks
>like that before getting skewered."
>	Meanwhile, Blade is mad. He looks up and attacks the first thing he
>sees...which happens to be Chip. "Kill Meshtak!" he snarls, lumbering at Chip
>and looking menacing.
>	Meanwhile, the sound of galloping horses is heard...a small contingent
>of the guard, sent to check things out.
> 
>Meshtak the Draga





    Arcadio ponders for a minute, then says, "Can't be hurt, huh?  Okay, then,
let's try...this!"  He makes a curious gesture and flings some glittering dust
into the air.  Suddenly, there are a half-dozen Meshtaks swarming about Blade,
taunting, trasing, always staying just out of reach, and slowly moving in
the direction of the docks...
    The eccentric jester-swashbuckler pauses for a minute to admire his work
and smiles.  "And here I thought it was going to be a dull evening..." he says.
As Meshtak heads back towards Blade, Arcadio says, "Oh, one other thing..."
and presses a flask into his hand.  "Oil of Slipperiness," he says, "Just in
case I miss with my shot."  He grins, and then bounds off into the confusion 
surrounding Blade, shouting taunts that would turn a dockworker's ears red.
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From: tkelly@unix2.tcd.ie (Mithrandir)
Subject: [KQ]Sorceror gets a call
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:33:54 GMT

   Sorceror sat in his study in the Tower.
 He was thinking carefully,as he had for centuries.The time was almost
right.He had remembered what Iglyarch had said to him of ...sage and so
on.It pleased him that the Kronquestors were doing his work without hiim
having to lift a finger.
  Soon,Mother,he sneered to himself,soon.

 Then he was aware of a portal disturbance in the Barrens area of Low
City.He investigated,carefully and saw a figure emerging from what
appeared to be a portal to Alkarth,the dark dimensions to heathens.
He smiled,and opened his vast potential of power into making contact
with an "old friend"

  'Tangthara,you send greetings to me'
  'Ssssorceroorrr 'replied a voice terrible to hear.
  'Tangthara,do I take this to mean our bargain is to be affirmed?
  'Yesss,human'
  'Excellent,I will recontact you very soon indeed,and arrange things'
  'The planet will be mine,mage'
  'Of course,and...
  'And the power will be yourssss'
  'Anything else?'
  'Yes,Sorcerer,The opening will require the sacrifice of a mage of some
degree of power.'
  'I know that,daemon.Iglyarch,my apprentice has been chosen for that
very purpose.'

  The contact ended suddenly,and Sorceror smiled slowly..

--
]]>>>Mithrandir<<<[[          ]]>>tkelly@unix2.tcd.ie<<[[  
 A.K.A. Silken,Thuengrim,Redtassle Marigold 
 A.K.A. Sorceror,Iglyarch,Lucien (Villains)
Disclaimer:The college I'm in backs everything I say...I think
From: jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Gad)
Subject: Re: [blade] finishing up
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:48:13 GMT

dshaffer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Donald A Shaffer) writes:


>   seeing the threat apparently over, Chip' leaps back to the top of the 
>building to get the child and bring him back down. He nods his head at his
>companion (HI! :) ) grabs the child and sets him down on the ground.  The child
>runs off to find hiss friends to tell them what happened.
>   Chip' then went to Meshtak "whhaat waz zat thingzs.  Do yuous know?"

     Off to the side, Gorge Verminbane was MIGHTILY surprised to find that the
rabbit he'd shot  was not dead.  In fact, it was not only not dead, it was 
pissed off.  Watching the white furred creature raise its glowing orange blade,
Gorge had a sudden urge to see another part of Generica.  ANY other part.  
He bolted away, already plotting  the bunny's death.
     Watching the craven flee, Sir Tyrone quickly pulled the crossbow bolts 
out of his back.  Thank Torm they weren't silver-tipped, he thought as the boltsdropped from his hand to the street.
     Strolling over to where the cat and the bug stood, the rabbit spoke,  
"That was indeed a fearsome beast.  I too am curious as too its origins."  Even
though he was now a wererabbit, Sir Tyrone still talks like a Paladin.  Old 
habits die hard.  
     "Ah, but my manners desert me.  I am Sir Tyrone the Cursed, defender of 
rabbits everywhere.  And I believe you are the Meshtak that the demon intended
to slay?  So, why don't you tell us what this is all about?" 


Sir Tyrone
Jon Gad (jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
From: jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene)
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: Re: [Ga] Who, me?
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:29:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

344LWKC@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Mike Sander) writes:

>>"Like the one you have wanted to ask me all night. The one about Jaq Spayde."
>Brent's expression was blank until after a moment of thought, where it
>turned to a knowing smile. To his knowledge, only the victims themselves,
>"select" members of the Guard, equally "select" members of the Thieves'
>Guild, and of course Jaq himself knew anything of worth about the
>mysterious Jaq Spayde. It didn't take a lot of logic to disconnect Zebron
>with either of the first two sources.

>    A thief then, as any connections to Jaq could only be considered
>ludicrous right now. At least not until he gained some proof, since he
>knew Zebron's bringing the subject up first would wield more useful
>information than actually going through the question and answer process.
>Still, the entire exchange had been a generally pleasing sign.

>Brent: "Me? Not as much --it's my employers that are more interested in
>him. And although I somehow doubt anyone in there knows more about Jaq than
>you, it would be best to question them as well. So, lead on..."

>Zebron nodded, opened the door, and prepared to make the introductions.

"You really should learn to hide your thoughts from someone who can read them,
especially when you keep company with thieves," the dark elf states cryptically
as he opens the door.

Upon entering, he introduces Brent as "a gentleman interested in obtaining
some answers" to the companions.

Looking at Khisanth lying on the bed, the drow turns to Kyleen and asks in an
odd elven tounge (understandable, but you just can't place the accent), "What
did she do? Did she enter another's dreams again?"

He motions for Brent to take a chair.  "Might as well sit down until she 
wakes," he says, slipping easily into the common trade language, "This could
take a while," the elf explains, taking a chair himself, Dusk flying off only
to land on the headboard of the bed.

-jak
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From: bshsiung@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Bernard Hsiung)
Subject: [R] Amaan & Dariel have a little chat
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:47:46 GMT

     Amaan chortled to himself.  Everything was going perfectly.  He had
scarcely spent a moment outside his cabin since he had set foot upon the
_Arcas_ and he was certain that he was very, very close to tapping the power
of the being, Dariel, that he had trapped in the desert.

     He was sitting at his cramped work desk, the silvery globe resting on a
circular holder before him.  Muttering to himself about the lack of space on
board the ship, he again reached out and rested his right hand lightly on the
globe.  He steadied his thoughts as the image of the sphere's interior formed
in his mind.  The entity looked exactly like a brown-haired young man, although
Amaan knew that it was anything but.

     "Dariel?"  The being opened its eyes.  They were light blue.  Amaan
shivered slightly.  They seemed to be looking directly at him--no, right into
him.  It was only a mental image, Amaan reminded himself.

     "Amaan.  If you are not planning to let me out of here, why don't you
leave me alone?  Your propositions are ridiculous.  I am not interested in
ruling a world.  For that matter, I am not interested in your ruling a world,
either.  Don't you have anyone else to talk to?"

     "Silence!  I will not be mocked."

     "Touchy today, aren't we?"  It paused.  "Would you like to see your
future?"  Dariel's eyes gleamed mischievously.

     At that moment, the door to Amaan's cabin burst open, revealing an
obscured figure brandishing a jeweled sword in both of his hands.  The figure
stepped forward, and, with a shout, swung the sword downwards.  Amaan jumped
out of his chair, breaking contact with the globe, as he pointed his finger at
the intruder, chanting a death spell.

     His incantation for turning spinal cords to powdered bone died on his
lips, half-completed.  The door to his cabin was closed.  He was alone.

     With a passionate curse, Amaan righted his chair and sat down in it again,
reaching for the sphere yet another time...

--
Comments, compliments, and complaints can be conveyed to ...
Bernie Hsiung (eecs.umich.edu)
From: jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene)
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: [blade] the sequel? [ADMIN]
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:39:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

[ADMIN]
	Hey, all you loyal fighters and friends of Blade!  I, Jak, am planning
to provide another round of entertainment by bringing in a character who is
not pleased with the "solution" found to the "Blade problem."
	I could do this one of two ways:
	Alone.
	Or with Blade.
	So, I need all those involved in the Blade fiasco to _please_ email
me a vote on how you want me to do it; i.e. Do you want Blade back or not?

	Oh! This just in:
	1 vote for bringing in Blade from a Mr. Trawm.

	That means you have until Thursday to vote Blade away.  (No votes sent
after Thursday will be counted.)

	And, so as to make _many_ new friends, the only requirements to vote
are that you (1) read this message, and (2) care enough to email me.  Special
consideration will be given to those actually involved in the [blade] fiasco
and extra-special consideration to Blade's creator.

	Thanks a bunch,
		jak
From: zweldron@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Matthew Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: Re: Correction: E'Karam takes the GOLD Coin
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:45:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

zweldron@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Matthew Charlap) writes:
>As the coin is picked up, a soft, quick red flash appears on E'Karam's hand.
>The coin loses a little of its luster.

[SCENE: Castle of Isalaron]
"Aha!" shouts Spondeux as the location finally appears in his mind. With a
thought, a message goes out to Kaldir.

[SCENE: about a block from the dragon's inn]
Kaldir is startled by the message inhis head: "Kaldir, the fool finally took
the coin. you know what to do" annd the link is passed from Spondeux to Kaldir.
He heads of toward the unsuspecting E'Karam.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 01:46:59 EDT
From: Mike Sander <344LWKC@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: Re: [Ga] Who, me?

Brent made his way towards the door Littlefair had said one Zebron
Twilight should be located.

>Before he could knock, the drow put on his most ominous tone and said,

>"Why are you looking for me, Brent?"

Despite his attempt to check his (understandable) surprise, Brent could tell
that he had expressed it. Best to cover it up then.
"You know, you shouldn't sneak up on someone trained to be constantly alert.
Probably only knowledge of this place's rules kept me from at least REACHING
FOR my weapon.", Brent said in an intentionally authoritative voice.

His tone softened as the drow seemed to at least _consider_ his words, if
only for the sake of politeness. Brent continues, "And you must be Zebron
Twilight!", showing a shadow of the deductive talent Zebron had shown.
Zebron knowing his name and that he was coming HAD worried him immensely.
But he realized Zebron had no real mind-reading powers, or else he wouldn't
have bothered to ASK. It was probably something cooked up with Littlefair.
"I was told to ask you a few questions regarding the assassins attack on
you earlier today."

Zebron sighed, having expected this. Still, the fact that only one guard
had come and that he appeared to only want answers was an encouraging sign.

Many questions followed, with Zebron noting the more interesting exchanges:

...
Brent: "You were attacked first, correct?"

A sheepish look from Zebron suggested the opposite.

Brent: "You did NOW!", giving a sort of 'you owe me one', smiling look.

...
Brent:"Do you have any idea who might have sent those guys after you?"

Zebron shook his head. In the truth, he knew exactly who was behind the
attack. But telling about who would lead to the question of why that he
didn't want to ansewr.

Brent: "I was afraid not. Everyone has their enemies, and I'm sure a
drow could gain on just by sneezing in the wrong place", expressing the
last as an attempt at humor.

...
Brent: "I've heard your and Littlefair's stories. Is there anyone else
I can talk to, at least as a judge of your character?"

========================================================================
Michael Sander 344lwkc@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:01:47 EDT
From: <ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: Re: new character


     Luthor noticed the insect-creature enter the inn and was immediately
interested.  This was not something that you see every day (but then again
neither was the Mind Flayer sitting a few tables over).  He was about to
go over and introduce himself when he heard the creature place an order:

>  "Ish Wouldzz like a Nishe fresh elfve ift you haves it. Preferclaby shtill
>alive"  He then waited for a responce.

     For some reason, Luthor knew that the creature was serious and it
jorrified him to think than another intelligent race would eat another.
Especially such a proud and ancient race as Elves!  What a tragedy.

     Then Luthor wondered if the creature ate half-elves too...

     Love ane Peace and Livestock,
             -The Dreamer-
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
From: mgcaa@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Subject: Re: Sudden loud disturbance!
Keywords: cragin, return, ouch
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:06:16 GMT

Rowan, who was upstairs with Cragin, is -really- curious as to what
happened to him.  



-------
Rowan (Hello everyone, I'm back!)

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