HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael P Urban)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: What is the font used in NASA logo? Where?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:38:23 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Reply-To: urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael P Urban)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan25.051202.1103@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (sine path square field) writes:
>hey, i am pretty sure that the NASA logo was hand drawn.

Yes, I think it is pretty common for logos, which are often corporate
Trademarks and not, strictly speaking, words, to be one-off designs,
not actually letters in a font.  My own experience in this matter
comes from having duplicated the TRW corporate logo (you know, the
slanty letters with holes in 'em) using Knuth's METAFONT.  The actual
official design was a CAD diagram with all sorts of angles, radii, and
proportions; these were drawings, not letters.  METAFONT, by the way,
handles this sort of thing beautifully.  TRW's Office of Corporate
Identity (I am not making this up, you know...) had a whole brochure
on the use of the logo, emphasizing that it is a trademark, not a
word, and so should not be embedded in sentences (I believe they
prescribed at least a half-inch of empty space around the logo).  And
if color is used, it must be Pantone(r) Warm Red.  The lawyers take
this sort of thing seriously.

	Mike Urban

	urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov
From: kropf@i80s19.ira.uka.de (ThomasKropf)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Using TeX-Fonts  without TeX
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:37:49 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i80s19.ira.uka.de

I am interested in using the "standard" fonts provided with TeX in other
word processing applications (like Microsoft Word or Framemaker) on my
Apple Macintosh and on SUN workstations.

Any ideas if it is possible to convert these fonts into usual Postscript fonts 
(and Bitmap fonts for the MAC) or if it is possible to buy these fonts
somewhere?

By the way, I'm not a TeX-expert.

Thanks in advance for any comments and sorry if this is a FAQ.

Thomas


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email: kropf@ira.uka.de     Tel.: +49 721 608 4220    FAX: +49 721 370 455
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla)
Subject: Re: Copyright on converted fonts? HELP!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:49:22 GMT

In <C19KtA.DM@netnews.jhuapl.edu> ygor@3d2c.jhuapl.edu (Daniel E. White  (F2C)) writes:

>  If a scaled font (PostScript or True Type) is copyrighted, you must
> get permission before you distribute any converted versions.

But it must be said that if you did pay for the fonts, you have the
right to convert them to any format you want for your own use. 

(Of course, in this case the point's kind of moot.... I've had a
freeware TrueType Garamond clone for about a year now....)

Rob
From: RIDGEWAY@u.washington.edu (Thomas Ridgeway)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Metafonts (TeX) to Type 1
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:09:32 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.95.200.45
Summary: query on mf2ps
Keywords: mf2ps

In article <9145@news.duke.edu> jpeppler@acpub.duke.edu (Jane Peppler) writes:
>From: jpeppler@acpub.duke.edu (Jane Peppler)
>Subject: Metafonts (TeX) to Type 1
>Summary: query on mf2ps
>Keywords: mf2ps
>Date: 27 Jan 93 16:56:51 GMT
>I've been looking in archives for information on mf2ps, a program mentioned
>here recently for converting TeX typefaces to Type 1. These archives said
>it converted only to Type 3. Is there more recent information available on
>this or other such programs, and the procedure involved?

  There is no more recent version so far as I know: this is the mf2ps you
have heard described as being tightly bound to the SUN (and to an old
version of metafont: the authors modified the generated Pascal code rather
than the web code for metafont).  

  Some respondents on this thread have mentioned John Hobby's MetaPost;
MetaPost, however, is a metafont-based graphics genration system which 
normally outputs PostScript code.  It generates neither type1 nor type3
fonts, though one could (in principal) use the generated code to assemble
a font.  Existing metafonts, however, e.g. CMR10, are written in a manner
which generates a large number of (overlapping) contours which would need
to be merged and rationalized.  MetaPost is not a practical method to
convert existing metafonts to outline fonts.

cheers,
Tom
Thomas Ridgeway, Director, Humanities and Arts Computing, U. Washington
Seattle, WA, 98195 USA   ridgeway@u.washington.edu   phone:(206)-543-4218
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ygor@3d2c.jhuapl.edu (Daniel E. White  (F2C))
Subject: Re: Copyright on converted fonts? HELP!
Organization: Johns Hopkins U. Applied Physics Lab
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:36:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.172248.13913@bsu-ucs>, 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
|> 
|> Hello, all.  I just got Metamorphosis Pro and I've been converting several PS
|> Type 1 fonts to TrueType.  (What can I say- I like it! :)  What I need to know
|> is, if I convert copyrighted fonts (Say, Adobe Garamond) can these fonts then
|> be distributed, or are they still copyrighted to Adobe?  I recall a few months
|> (maybe a year?) back that faces converted between formats were no longer
|> copyrighted.  I just wanna be SAFE before I go posting any of them to the
|> InterNet.
|> 
|> Thanks much for any/all help and advice!
|> 
|> Bruce
|> -- 
|> .sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!
|> 
|> Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
|> spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
|> Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.

  The answer is a resounding NO !!

  If a scaled font (PostScript or True Type) is copyrighted, you must
 get permission before you distribute any converted versions.

  This comes from my user group 'porting TrueType fonts from the Mac to
the Apple IIGS.

-- 
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                                                               Dan White
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"Sometimes  I  think  the  surest  sign  that  intelligent  life exists
 elsewhere  in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
                                                  Calvin (Bill Waterson)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: c_feck@informatik.uni-kl.de (Christop Feck)
Subject: Re: Glyphs encoded below 32
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:35:26 GMT

In <1993Jan21.184108.5537@power.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com>
milo@power.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com (John DiCamillo) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>QUESTION:  I haven't heard of the Computer Modern font before. Could someone
>mail me something about it and its availability? Is it share- or pay-ware?

Computer Modern fonts are designed by Don Knuth, the author of TeX and Metafont.
They should be included in the Metafont archive, which can be accessed nearly
everywhere. As far as I know, Metafont is freely distributable.

The most popular font of this family is the Computer Modern Roman font (cmr)
-- 
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From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: copyright and typeface design
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:24:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

So, essentially, if I "drop-n-drag" or "trace outline" using a font editor
I am essentialy swiping someone else's _code_ (and any little hidden
"extra" code will be included).  But on the other hand if I print and scan
the _output_ and recontruct it from scratch (the only way to get a good
recreation anyway), then we are into the very gray "look-n-feel" area.  
Certainly nobody can _copyright_ the geometry of a "b" from courier ("that's
Microsoft's circle and bar, son!).  Similarly, while importing a kerning
table is again swiping _code_, nobody can copyright the combination of
characters (Microsoft owns the "WA" combination?).  Essentially, if I can
recreate a font without ever reading the original code directly using a
font editor, I have not stolen any _code_, rather I have been "inspired" by
the look of a font to generate my own version.


-- 
Gavin Helf
UC Berkeley Political Science
Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies
ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu
From: ken@Bridge.COM (Ken Hardy)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Book on Font Design?
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:28:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Planet Earth

Are there any good books or papers available on typeface design?  I've
seen some pretty ugly fonts, some produced internally here, and have
found it challenging to produce good looking fonts even when special
attention is paid to aesthetics.  I'd like to find a good intro to this
art.

I'd also like anyone on Usenet who is designing some P.D. fonts
to read it, too.  ;-)

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (prufrock)
Subject: Re: What is the font used in NASA logo? Where?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:33:38 GMT

chang hsu liu <cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>Is there a site that has the font like NASA logo? 
>
This probably doesn't answer your question, but two points should be noted:

	1) NASA used to distribute (internally) a Mac Type One
		version of its "worm" logo for use in official
		documents.  This was a simple font that had the
		"worm" logo as one of its characters.  Unfortunately,
		when I saw it it wasn't to be distributed outside NASA
		at all.  However...

	2) Last summer the new administrator of NASA (Michael Golden?)
		reversed a 1970s design change and reinstated the old
		"blue meatball" (a circular seal design) as the official
		NASA logo.  The "worm" will disappear gradually as
		various pieces of NASA equipment are repainted, they
		run out of stationery, etc.

Now, does (2) mean that (1)'s condition no longer exists, and we poor
font hobbyists can get our hands on a copy of the worm logo?  Probably not...

To answer your question, there are some family similarities between
the commercial font family Bauhaus (available from Adobe, among others)
and the individual letters in the NASA "worm."  I have yet to see a share/
freeware version of Bauhaus, though.

prufrock		p o box 232
dept of physics		newcomb hall station
univ of virginia	cville va 22904
From: stevedav@netcom.com (Steve Davidson)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Fixed-width fonts
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:04:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Environment: SunOS 4.1.3 and groff v1.06

Can someone identify the available fixed-width fonts available to
groff?  Or please tell me how I can identify them.

Steve Davidson   Email: steved@cfcl.com
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Clipped Ascenders
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:59:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Trilithon Software

In article <1jnh8jINNjrn@gap.caltech.edu> ldf@tati.ipac.caltech.edu (Linda  
Fullmer) writes:
    *  When joining a single line of text to the top of a circular
    *  path in Aldus Freehand (on the Macintosh), tops of some
    *  ascenders are "cropped-off" uniformly above the highest
    *  part of the arc.

    *  I'm using type1 fonts and ATM.  Increasing the leading
    *  doesn't help.  This only happens at large point-sizes and
    *  only with some fonts (mostly share-ware cursive style
    *  fonts).
    
Possibly the bounding box information in the font is bogus -- that
could cause the problem you're seeing.

        ........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: help with accent design
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 21:24:48 GMT

pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc) writes:
>I would like the advice of people with experience in the design of fonts
>with diacritical marks.
>
>I am in the process of modifying a couple of LaserJet fonts to add several
>accented letters, including capitals. The problem is that there is not
>enough free space above the letters as they are now to accomodate the accents
>without bumping into the descenders from the preceeding line.

There is an important difference between the bounding box of a character and
the height of the font.

	-----------------------  font height

           AA------------------  cap height
           AAA
          A  AA
         A    AA
        AAAAAAAAA
       A        AA
      AAA       AAA -----------  baseline


		    -----------  descender depth

		    -----------  beard (optional)

A metal font might have space both above and below an A or g, for example.
This is so that when you set rows of type, the descender of the g doesn't
touch the ascender of the A.  This pracice was carried over into digital type.

There is usually space for accents between the cap height and the font height.
In this case, there's often little or no beard below the descenders.

Hence, you can probably add the accent on top of the A, and make sure that
the font bounding box and font height are ajusted if necessary.
If you adjust the font bounding box, you might be able to get away without
increasing font height, by moving it upwards -- i.e. taking away from the
beard.  I forget if you can do this on the LaserJet, though.

A good approach might be to write a little language for transforming a font:
    character 194 is cpile { "^" over "A" }
and so on.

Lee

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: jsm@fc.hp.com (John Marvin)
Subject: True Type Zapf Chancery
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:52:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Workstation Kernel, Ft. Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5]


Does anyone know of a product that contains the ITC Zapf Chancery
Medium Italic font in TrueType format? I am only interested in the
real licensed version, not some of the generics out there. I also
am interested in TrueType only, I don't have access to any tools to
convert another format. I have looked for a while, and I have seen
many "looks like" versions, or the real thing in a different format.
For my purposes, it does not make any difference whether or not the
font is TrueType for a Macintosh, or TrueType for Windows 3.1, although
I prefer Windows 3.1 format.

	John Marvin
	jsm
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: PFB-files renameable?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:27:15 +0100
Organization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken
NNTP-Posting-Host: coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de

Hi folks,

Are there any known problem with renaming PFB and PFM files of a type1 font?
As far as I have tested it , it works, but who knows what kind of weird con-
figurations exist out there...

As far as I know renaming the FOT and TTF file of a truetype font is a "nono",
because some path information is stored in the FOT file...

Thanx as always,

Ulrich
From: ken@racerx.bridge.COM (Ken Hardy)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: What is the font used in NASA logo? Where?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:07:02 GMT
Organization: Planet Earth

In article <1k2sb4INN3pk@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de> ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:
>urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael P Urban) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan25.051202.1103@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (sine path square field) writes:
>
>  I wouldn't
>think that having a brochure describing the way logos are handled and
>fonts are used is very uncommon. Real big companies also hire font
>designers to make a font exclusively for them.

The company I work for is in Sun's Catalyst program which supports to
some degree software development for their Sparc platform.  I recall
seeing a packet from Sun explaining exactly how their Sparc logo is
supposed to be drawn, colored, and used.  This was intended for
corporate art departments which may incorporate the Sparc logo on their
own marketing & packaging material to emphasize that it is software for
the Sparc.

I can understand their wish that it be treated consistently to get a
consistent look.  After all, logos are distinguishable from plain text
by their special look, and that look is specifically why they are
used.

-- 

Ken Hardy
ken@bridge.com  (racerx!ken)
From: ldf@tati.ipac.caltech.edu (Linda Fullmer)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Clipped Ascenders
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:05:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tati.ipac.caltech.edu


When joining a single line of text to the top of a
circular path in Aldus Freehand (on the Macintosh),
tops of some ascenders are "cropped-off" uniformly
above the highest part of the arc.

I'm using type1 fonts and ATM.  Increasing the leading
doesn't help.  This only happens at large point-sizes and only with
some fonts (mostly share-ware cursive style fonts).

Any explanation and/or fix will be welcome.  
		Linda Fullmer
		ldf@ipac.caltech.edu
From: 31lemecha@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Wanted:  Russian/Cyrilic font for WP 5.1
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:40:26 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I'm looking for a Russian font for Word Perfect 5.1.  I have a russian class
for which a cyrilic font would be greatly beneficial.  If anyone knows of an
ftp site taht has this font for wp 5.1, please share the knowledge.  
Thanx in advance.

Bo Lemecha
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: cathy@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Catherine T Vojtas)
Subject: Mary Kay logo font?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:33:32 GMT

What is it? or something simiar, maybe....

Any help would be appreciated.


Thanks,
Cathy


-- 
The dream reveals the reality which conception lags behind.
That is the horror of life--the terror of art.
		 -Franz Kafka, 1968
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From: kfischer@mills.seas.ucla.edu (Kevin J. Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Lassus font (for PC's)
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:07:47 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

Several days ago someone posted saying that the Lassus font (a music
font) is available through the Berkley Macintosh User's Group.

I would like to know if anyone knows whether there is a version of it
that will work with ATM for the PC or TrueType for Windows.  If so,
is there a place to obtain it other than BMUG.

Thanks.

-- 

Kevin Fischer
kfischer@seas.ucla.edu
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:18:39 EST
From: <SASGHG@vm.sas.com>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Help with Fontmonger

I am designing a font using Fontmonger. The space, CR, LF always
appear as boxes when I use the font in a document such as WRITE
What did I do wrong?
Please reply to this mail address.
From: singer@apple.com (Dave Singer)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Looking for Mystic
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:40:16 GMT
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: Apple Computer

The subject says it all. I'm looking for a font called Mystic (to set
one word!). Anyone know of where I can it, or a suitable knock-off (I
mean, look-alike or imitation or ...).

adTHANKSvance.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: phd1667@ultb.isc.rit.edu (P.H. Dixon)
Subject: Re: Copyright on converted fonts? HELP!
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:19:26 GMT

Hi,

It is important to note that if you own a font, and convert it for use
on the same computer (ie. MAC font from type 1 to TT), that probably is
ok. However, I'm sure that Adobe and other companies frown upon the
practice of converting a Macintosh font to a PC or SUN font (or vice
versa).

This is one of those legal gray areas... IMHO it does seem ridiculous to
bye a font and have to buy it again for other computers (I own both a
Macintosh and PC).


Cheers,

Philip

Posted-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:21:38 GMT
Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:23:09 CST
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:21:38 GMT
From: johny@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Lord Yak Da Hairy)
To: comp.fonts
Subject: Intel Inside font (what is it?)
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Order of the Holy Spleen
Keywords:
Newsgroups: comp.fonts

Can someone tell me what font is used in the Intel Inside [tm] logo, and if
there's a PD Type 1 version available?

(yeah, I know, Intel probably designed it specially. sigh...)

-- John Yeates (Lord Yak Da Hairy) --------------- johny@cogs.susx.ac.uk --
-- "Be a geezer - put grasshoppers in your freezer!" - The Mystery Chefs --
From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Copyright on converted fonts? HELP!
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:22:48 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


Hello, all.  I just got Metamorphosis Pro and I've been converting several PS
Type 1 fonts to TrueType.  (What can I say- I like it! :)  What I need to know
is, if I convert copyrighted fonts (Say, Adobe Garamond) can these fonts then
be distributed, or are they still copyrighted to Adobe?  I recall a few months
(maybe a year?) back that faces converted between formats were no longer
copyrighted.  I just wanna be SAFE before I go posting any of them to the
InterNet.

Thanks much for any/all help and advice!

Bruce
-- 
.sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!

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Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Using TeX-Fonts  without TeX
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:34:49 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: kropf@i80s19.ira.uka.de's message of 21 Jan 1993 10:37:49 GMT


In article <1jludtINNq6d@iraul1.ira.uka.de> kropf@i80s19.ira.uka.de (ThomasKropf) writes:

   I am interested in using the "standard" fonts provided with TeX in other
   word processing applications (like Microsoft Word or Framemaker) on my
   Apple Macintosh and on SUN workstations.

   Any ideas if it is possible to convert these fonts into usual Postscript
   fonts (and Bitmap fonts for the MAC) or if it is possible to buy these 
   fonts somewhere?

   By the way, I'm not a TeX-expert.

   Thanks in advance for any comments and sorry if this is a FAQ.

All of the fonts commonly used in TeX, such as the Computer Modern,
the AMS fonts, the LaTeX + SliTeX fonts, etc are available in ATM 
compatible Adobe Type 1 form for a variety of platforms including Mac, 
IBM PC, Unix & from Blue Sky Research in Portland Oregon or Y&Y in
Carlisle Mass.

One problem is that TeX fonts do not have a space character.  
You'll have to check whether this can be worked around in the particular
font set you are interested in.  TeX fonts also use the `control
character range' 0 -- 31.  But that is less of a problem.


Disclaimer: respondent has connections with Y&Y.

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA