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From: avi@rix.Corp.Sun.COM (Ann Adamcik)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: is it too cold?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:47:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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>In article <1ifmunINNqch@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> amys@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Amy Schlotthauer) writes:
>
>>SO, don't you all agree that it is cruel and unusual punishment for my
>>cats to have to spend the night in 63 degrees? 

I'd say it depends on the cat.  When my heat is on (thermostat set to 68), 
Maggie sits right above the heat vent, while Mango lays against the cool 
glass of the sliding door.  When the heat is off (at night and when I'm not
home), Maggie burrows under the down comforter on the bed and Mango stops 
sweating.  

Both cats are shorthaired, but Maggie has little or no undercoat while Mango 
has thick, wooly under-fur.

No matter what your cat's fur type, 63 isn't all that cold.  Provide a warm
blanket for them to sleep on and they should be fine.

-Ann
From: 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: re: help!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:41:21 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

this is to the 23-year old in a dilema.  here's my experience:
my roommate and i went to the pound to rescue a cat.  i had never
owned a cat, never even really been in the same room as a cat.  i
wanted a dog.  she won.  i was dating someone at the time and when
abby (the cat) finally warmed up to me, she *hated* him.  she would
literall get up and walk out of the room if he came in.  i should 
have realized that he was a jerk. instead, we dated for a few more
months and then he cheated on me.  i should have listened to the
cat!!  anyway, he shouldn't be making you choose.  that is a sure sign
that he's not for you.  i live just with abby now and i've been seeing
someone for two years.  she *adores* him.  this one's a keeper!!
do your cats like this guy?  if they don't, i suggest getting rid
of him. :)  acually, give him a little time.  but only if he stops
making you choose.  as for diseases, he should only worry if he
gets pregnant, and then ony if he handles feces without washing his
hands afterwards.  i caught ringworm from my cat but it cleared up in
less than a week with some lotion stuff from my doctor.  the medicine
to clear up her ringworm was only $3.  not bad.  and (most people don't
know this) ringworm is not a worm.  it's a fungus.  i simply had a 
rash.  this guy sounds really anal.
anyway, that's my advice.  you have to do what you feel is right.


candace miller
(and abby, too)
department of psychology, ball state university

*my opinions do not reflect those of university computing services*
From: gbrower@acpub.duke.edu (Gary Brower)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Cat colds
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:39:10 GMT

Well, Mr. Growl's "cold" (if that's what it was) -- the sneezing episodes
he went through a week or so before Christmas -- has subsided.  So, it
must have been a cold.  He _did_ pass it on to Abelard though.  Abelard's
sneezing was never as severe as Mr. Growl's, and it subsided rather
quickly.  Fortunately, Heloise never contracted the sneezing fits.

Anyway, I post this to let those of you who responded to my initial
query how things with the cats fared.  I appreciate all you assistance --
both the on-net and e-mail help.

Happy New Year!

Gary
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Tabby "M"
Date: 3 Jan 93 07:49:42 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre)
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I have two tabbies - one is the classic tabby and the other striped (I 
forget what they call this one).

The classic is grey & black, with swirls. He fits the description perfectly,
with a bulls-eye on each side and a butterfly on his shoulders. The other 
is ginger striped, but the way his fur is coloured almost gives him spots
down the side rather than solid stripes.

And both have a big noticeable M on their foreheads. But it looks more like
a W since it seems to be upside down. From what I've heard, that's the 
standard for tabbies, but from other postings there are obviously varieties 
of 'head markings'.

- Lianne -
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: I need help.  My kittens like to run through my vertical blinds.
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:05:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.024811.18538@netcom.com> amyk@netcom.com (Amy Kurtzman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.221233.13443@leland.Stanford.EDU> muaddib@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rob Dorfman) writes:
>
>>when I am trying to go to sleep my kittens like to run through the 
>>vertical blinds that cover the sliding glass doors in my bedroom
>>and living room.  When they do that it makes a great deal of noise.
>>I am looking for suggestions on how to get my cats to stop doing that.

Well, either they will stop it on their own as they grow older or the game
becomes boring, or they will do it all their lives :-).

>What's even better is when they get the blinds twisted and stuck in
>the window tracks so they are wide open and expose you while you are
>not fully clothed.

The house we recently moved to has Venetian blinds (narrow horizontal strips).
Boots has figured out that she can see better if she puts her paw up and pulls
down a few of the ones right in front of her face. She does it *exactly* like 
a human being would with their finger. It looks really funny: glance at
window, pull strips down, stare outside several seconds, let them go again.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: bud@sq.sq.com (Bud Greasley)
Subject: Re: Kitty Valium
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:18:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.171333.2640@mtu.edu> jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom) writes:
>Wayne Hughes writes
>> 
>>   We have on one occasion had real human valium prescribed for 
>>   a cat, at the 1 mg level.  When Mac was in his terminal
>>   feline leukemia phase, he had no interest in food.  The valium
>>   gave him the munchies, much as pot does to humans.  It worked
>>   for a couple of days, but then that was it.
>>   
>>   Wayne
>> 
>
>Is this a good idea, or should I just sit back and wait it out?
> 

Just a quick warning, valium (and many other drugs) can induce diabetes
in cats, so treat it carefully and check with your vet.

Bud Greasley
bud@sq.com
From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cat in heat?
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:16:23 GMT
Organization: Redheads Anonymous
In-reply-to: dan@msen.com's message of 6 Jan 1993 18:03:50 GMT

In article <1if6ukINNor7@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:

   Do you know if anyone is doing studies of the incidence of FUS in males
   that are neutered that young?  Several vets I know would actually prefer
   to neuter at 9 months or older were it not for the population problems.
   I agree that it would be nice to send the kittens to their new homes
   spayed/neutered, but I'm not willing to risk a higher possibility of FUS.

I don't know, since the research itself [on early neutering] is fairly
new.  Wait and see, I suppose.

				AMBAR
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Subject: Re: Kitty Valium
Reply-To: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:13:33 GMT

Wayne Hughes writes
> 
>   We have on one occasion had real human valium prescribed for 
>   a cat, at the 1 mg level.  When Mac was in his terminal
>   feline leukemia phase, he had no interest in food.  The valium
>   gave him the munchies, much as pot does to humans.  It worked
>   for a couple of days, but then that was it.
>   
>   Wayne
> 

My cat just went into heat and someone here a work suggested I ask the Doc for some  
tranqs, since I had already scheduled her surgery appointment for Friday.  (3 days!)  
and then I get some peace and quiet!  (yeah, right.  She'll be back to dancing on my  
face when I'm sleeping like normal)
 
Is this a good idea, or should I just sit back and wait it out?
 
joe  (jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: is it too cold?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:09:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.001850.7889@ncar.ucar.edu> vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
>In article <1ifmunINNqch@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> amys@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Amy Schlotthauer) writes:
>
>>SO, don't you all agree that it is cruel and unusual punishment for my
>>cats to have to spend the night in 63 degrees? 
>
>Lord, I hope not.  I set my thermostat at 58 degrees when I go to bed
>(usually set at about 65 when I'm up and around), and my cats have
>never complained.  Of course, they *can* get under the covers if they
>get really cold, whereas yours are in a basement.  Still, 63 sounds
>pretty balmy to me ... :-)

I think a lot depends on the cat.  I had a Siamese cat that
couldn't take Southern California winters indoors.  During the
winters she spent her days under heating vents and the nights
under the covers.  If she wasn't in these locations she would
have the "cold cat" look -- all hunched up with fur fluffed. I'll
admit my cats have me competely trained, but she really did
seem cold.

Julie
DISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: re: Squirrel Hunting Cat
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:33:09 GMT
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University

Both my cats hunt, but the female, Jess, has made a career
of it. She is truly a professional and has brought in
numerous birds and mice and squirrels and once an entire
rabbit. Some of these are intact, some are bodies only (I
can remember a headless squirrel under my dining table
vividly), and some are heads only. The other morning I got
up and found next to the cats' little catnip mouse, the
head of a once-living mouse. A gift for their playmate? I
never know what they will bring in next. I don't really
mind the dead ones--it's the live ones I don't care for!

Kay Jones
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cat IQ test
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:36:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc

My cats do this to.  If one of them follows me into the bathroom and I
can't let him out as soon as he wants, he starts chasing his tail.  Is this
just out of boredom, or do they think their tails are someking of prey?  
Hobbes was chasing his tail very vigorously one day, jumped down very hard
on it, looked at me and hissed like I was the one who had pulled his tail. 
Who says cats are so smart?

Nancy
Calvin & Hobbes
From: cwaite@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: re: Picking a new kitten
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:39:24 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Forgive me, but I have to flame a bit here.  If your sister feels she can
treat kittens like TVs or bicycles or other "things" that can be returned
because she doesn't like them, perhaps she should reconsider her decision
to own a cat.  A decision to have a pet should not be made on a whim, but
should be carefully considered as a long-term committment to a "living
creature", which will require adjusting to the good--and bad--of the
individual cat's personality.  Kittens are like children;  they need to
be trained, and what their personality turns out to be cannot be predicted in
advance.  Cats, kittens, dogs, canaries, etc. are not "disposable" items,
and people who treat them as such are one reason the animal shelters are so
full.
Sorry, but I had to get that out of my system.  If your sister really wants
to get a pet and have a good idea of its personality, she should either get
an older cat (either and adolescent or adult) or look at a purebred cat of
a breed that generally fits the personality type she's looking for (this will
require some research on her part as well as probably considerably more money).
Again, there is no guarantee as to what the adult personality of _any_ kitten 
will be like.
--Carolyn
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ccd@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Carol C Denehy)
Subject: Re: Torties (was Two Siamese Cats Free to a Good Home
Organization: None, and I like it like that
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:08:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.162657.17369@sequent.com> cyndie@sequent.com (Cyndie Sutherland) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.162145.9311@wetware.com> diana@com (CatWoman ) writes:
>>
>>You can take it from me - Orange and black torties
>>DO exist, and usually are female.  A former housemate
>
>This is true.  I have tortie that is black, white, and rust.  She has
>a few different tones of rust also.  She is also very stupid, but very
>affectionate once she finds her way out of the hallway in the
>apartment.

Emma is orange and black with not a spot of white any where. She
looks like an orange tabby that has been painted with black in
an incomplete manner. Some feet are solid black. Penny is tabby
some orange and some black-with-tipped and is white on tummy,
face, feet, tip of tail, and almost a complete white necklace.
I read a British cat book that said for show cat class tortoiseshells
the must NOT be tabby but must be simply patches of black, orange,
and white (or their diluted colours).

I also firmly believe that torties are all a bit strange. My vet
confirms this with his experience.

Carol Denehy

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Horny Cat
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:22:36 GMT

In article <C0r5Kn.GAo@SSD.intel.com>, pandit@ssd.intel.com (Milind Pandit) writes:
> My parents' cat was neutered at 5 months.  He is now 18 months old.
> Recently, he has been having (attempting?) sexual relations with a
> glove on a daily basis.  This is not a joke.  He demands the glove
> every morning.  Has anyone encountered such behavior in a neutered
> male?  He has not made a wet mess, but will he eventually get it right
> and do so?  Does this mean he will eventually start spraying?
> 
> If you have any advice, please post or email.  My parents are worried.
> 
> -- 
> Milind S. Pandit			| pandit@ssd.intel.com
> Operating Systems Engineer		|
> Intel Supercomputer Systems Division	| Standard Disclaimers Apply

    I wonder what the kittens will look like...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hirschon@ast.saic.com (Donna Hirschon)
Subject: Re: Cats and whistling
Reply-To: hirschon@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:53:18 GMT

My cat reacts the same way when I whistle.  She comes and sits on my lap
and purrs, so I don't think she hates it, but if I keep it up, she bites
me on the nose.  My brother visited us over New Years.  When _he_ whistled
my cat came to me and sat on my lap and got right up in my face, but 
didn't bite me.  Any whistle seems to mean "mama" to her.
Aren't they fun?

Donna
From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat static!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:21:57 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA's message of 12 Jan 93 14:19:34 GMT

My solution to the dry air/cat static problem is to wring out a towel
in water and hang it up over the shower curtain rod in the bathroom.
Also, misting my house plants regularly seems to help increase the
overall level of humidity in the apartment.

-Sandra
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Camp)
Subject: Re: Cats and TV
Organization: Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:43:10 GMT

In article <111860027@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> barryf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Barry Fowler) writes:
>One of my four cats has been "watching TV" for about 2 years.  Actually, it
>watches the TV when it is off for 10 or 15 minute periods of time, looking
>at reflections on the screen.  I recently moved to another home and it    
>continues to watch it (only when off).  She appears intriqued with
>the reflections on the screen and just stares at from the side.  Often there
>is no movement in the reflections and I am unsure whether she is looking
>at the reflective room items or herself on the screen.
>

My kitty does this also.  She sits up really close to the screen (i.e.
nose touching) and watches the goings on in the room as it is reflected
in the tv.  I think that she thinks that there is a another room inside
the tv and is trying to get to it.  Especially when the other cats
happen to walk by and she sees their reflections.  


-- 
 Cindy Camp - Usual disclaimers apply   |
 Martin Marietta  (303)977-9804 	|
 snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com  or	|  
 cnewell@azum.den.mmc.com		|  
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From: bette@wc.novell.com (Elizabeth Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Puppy/Kitty Mills
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:42:49 GMT
Reply-To: bette@wc.novell.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In <C0GEM9.2z1@news.udel.edu> thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:


>I was driving through Georgia on my way to Florida last week when I
>encountered what was obviously a puppy/kitty mill truck.  (sad details
>left out- but use your imagination)

>When I got to Florida, I told my friend about the sad ordeal and she
>said "What is a puppy mill?"

>How can we educate these people?  I really thought more people were
>aware of what was going on, but when I pass the pet stores, I see that
>they obviously are not.

>Any suggestions.

>Thuy-An

Well, you've taken the first step by educating one more person about the
problem. Beyond that I would think that writing a letter-to-the-editor
of your community or school newspaper would help spread the word. If
you do that, add something posative like information about local animal
rescue organizations. Some sort of local interest angle is generally
helpful in getting your letter published.

Perhaps someone could provide data or sources of information about
puppy/kitten mills that could be used in such a letter.

Bette
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mpmarie@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MARIE HUCOVSKY)
Subject: cat food
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date:  8 Jan 1993 09:22 EST  

Someone posted a recipe for home made cat food.  I would like to try it but 
I am concerned because it requires raw poultry.  Isn't this just as bad for 
cats as for people?  Doesn't raw poultry contain some type of bad bacteria 
or a parasite or something?

Thanks in advance

Marie, Spike and Harry 
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 08:40:52 -0500 
From: "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Travelling kitty

Well, as promised, here is the results of Jesters Christmas vacation. 
To refresh everyone's memory, my husband and I took him home with us for
vacation where he would be met by two cats and a dog at my house and a
dog at his.

Well on the day of the departure, we gave Jester 1/2 a tranquilizer
about 1/2 hour before the car trip to the airport.  The tranquilizer did
not work in the car.  He complained!!!  Once we were at the airport, he
either became mellow (tranquilized) or to scared to cry.  He didn't make
a peep.  Unfortunately, our flight was delayed so long that we missed
our connection and as a result, put on another flight leaving about 4
hours after we were originally scheduled.  So as you may guess, his
tranquilizer was in danger of wearing off.  Fortunately, the plane was
empty and the flight attendents were nice and let us seat belt him in to
he empty seat between us.  To make a long story shorter, both legs of
the trip went fine even after the sedatives wore off.

We kept him in a fairly large room and seperated from the animals.  This
seemed to work ok and he was eating and out from under the bed by
morning.  I must say I was extrememly pleased!  Then off to the inlaws. 
This room was much smaller than the one at my parents house so we opted
to let him have controlled exploring sessions in the house (the dog was
locked out).  He had a ton of fun doing this, so this part went ok too. 
I do have stories about an accidental meeting of dog and cat, but I'll
save it for another time.

Well we had a great time, but all good things come to an end.  It was
time to leave.  We gave Jester a little more than 1/2 of the
tranquilizer this time since we knew we would be flying on a prop plane
for the second leg of the trip.  This time, the plane was full so he had
to be under the seat during take off.  He didn't like it too much and
tried to escape.  After take off, he sat (in his carrier) on our laps
the entire time.  This seemed to keep him mellow.  But the best was yet
to come.  During landing (under the seat again), he somehow managed to
escape from his carrier.  Luckily I was able to grab him and hold him
while my husband fixed the carrier.  Poor thing, he was petrified! 
After that experience, we managed to get him to have 1/4 more of the
tranquilizer and he slept the entire time on the prop plane.  What a day!

He is happy to be home at his own stomping grounds.  If I have to do
this again, I would definately recommend 1. using a small dosage of
sedatives and 2. carrying him on board.  

Susan and Jester
From: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Picking a new kitten
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:57:42 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu

In article <1993Jan6.093924.1@opal.tufts.edu> cwaite@opal.tufts.edu writes:
>Forgive me, but I have to flame a bit here.  If your sister feels she can
>treat kittens like TVs or bicycles or other "things" that can be returned
>because she doesn't like them, perhaps she should reconsider her decision
>to own a cat.

>--Carolyn

I agree! I was trying to think of a diplomatic way to say "your sister
is rude and doesn't deserve a cat", but couldn't, so thanks Carolyn
for doing a better job.

How could anyone get a kitten for their child, then take it back? What a
horrible thing to do. My sister-in-law did the same thing (I don't
think very much of her for quite a few reasons). She got a kitten from
someone and kept its litter box in the dark basement that was quite
a long haul of steps for such a small kitten. Then she was amazed
when Spanky was afraid to go downstairs and sometimes used the upstairs
as his litter box. She also let her children torment the poor thing,
probably contributing to a lack of bladder control. After about
3 weeks, she took it to a shelter and told the kids they wouldn't
harm the cat (NOT!). I've never forgiven her, and I wonder if the
person who gave her the kitten knows what she did. She managed to
get her hands on another kitten, Garfield, who doesn't care who picks
him up and tosses him around. He's perfect for kids, so his life is
safe. But she lets him go outside as he pleases, and they have no
intention of having him neutered. "It's the female cat owner's 
responsibility" is what my brother says. We had a huge fight at
Christmas. If I lived in the area, I'd kidnap the cat and take it
to the vet. (They also think it was completely vaccinated for rabies
in their first trip to the vet -- I think NOT). My mom is still
working on them to take proper care of Garfield, but I fear he is
not long for this world -- not because he'll go to the shelter, but
because he's gonna die in a fight with all the other Toms in the 
area.

People like this don't deserve cats. Only breeders have any chance
of predicting the personality of a kitten. Anyone who wants a sure
thing from a shelter should pick out a dog.

Mary