From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Bailing Out (rant) (was: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as ever
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:42:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <Di60PB2w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> liam@brewich.hou.tx.us (Liam) writes:

[the rant about "bailing out" deleted] 


>> End of flame.  Now get off your duffs and do something.   
>> 
>> --JMG
>> 
>        Thank you!!! You have succeded in saying the whole of my  meaning 
>in all of my previous posts on this subject. We can run if we wish, but 
>we can only run so far before it catches up with us. If this country 
>falls into the state of facist intolerance what will stop it from 
>forcing these policies on the rest of the world? This may sound like just 
>another paranoid rant..... But it has happened in the past, not in this 
>country, perhaps, yet it has happened.  This is very simular to the way 
>the nazi party in Germany got started in the late thirties.  

No, it is NOT.  You are making the grave error of confusing cause and
effect.  It was not the mass exodus of intellect from Germany that
precipitated the growth of the Nazi party, it was the growth of the
party that forced them out.  Again, I tell you three times I tell you
three times I tell you three times, had Albert Einstein remained in
Germany, he would not have turned the tide, he would have been gassed.
This "one person against the forces of evil" bullshit makes for good
Clint Eastwood movies, but it just doesn't work in real life.  It might
be a nice romantic fantasy that one "man" with a conscience can turn the
tides of oppression, but it will never happen -- not without other
outside forces at work in society as a whole.  In my estimation, these
outside forces are not present.

Think of it as attempting to overthrow a foreign government without
indigenous help.   

>You might 
>say that it could never happen again, but to do so is naive in the 
>extremes.  

And it isn't naive to think that the old "one man with a conscience"
junk can actually work?  You've been watching too many old westerns.  

>If anything has been learned from the Haulocost, It is that 
>these kind of facist dictatorships should be stopped in the beginning of 
>thier rise to power.  

These kinds of things are much more difficult to stop than you think.
You stop them by not letting them get started in the first place.  Once
they get started, they run their course, and there isn't thing one you
can do about it. 

>To sit idly by and let it happen or to flee to 
>another country to watch the show 

To watch the show?  Excuse me, but fuck you. 

>is to spit in the faces of those who 
>survived this tragedy and onthe graves of those who have died for thier 
>beliefs, no matter where or when. 

In other words, the only way respect could be shown to those who died in
the gas chambers was to die with them?  Sorry.  Again, I repeat, Albert
Einstein would have fucking died in Dachau had he remained.  Kindly
inform me how his leaving and contributing as much as he did was in any
way disrespectful to those who died.  

>                                thank you,

You are in no way welcome. 

Janis C.