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From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Best transfer deal in history - NOT ??
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:44:29 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Jul27.101309.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> 
> 
> Yep, the most sought after midfielder in Europe, Trevor Steven has finally
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh yes there was a rush of offers was there not? Transfer listed for how long?
Reserve football for how long? Subject of tabloid speculation for yonks?  But
how many firm offers?  Sounds quite a bit like the Paul McStay hoo ha of r.s.s.
passim!  

Let's be honest Trevor Steven had two choices for this season - Marseille
reserves or Govan.

> re-signed for Rangers for 2.4 million, thus ensuring a quick 3 million profit
> after his transfer to Marseille last season. 

Can't fault the Huns on the business side of it - only wish we could make money
that quickly - by my reckoning it cost Marseille #300,000 per month PLUS TS's 
wages (reputedly #14,500 a week) to keep him in the reserves - funny money!

Hopefully he will put the  Bhoy Wonder in the shade and silence those bragging 
about having the best
> midfield in Scotland. I mean who wouldnt want to have Steven, Durrant, McCall
> and Mihkielichenko in their team ? 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      Spelling!!!!!!

Methinks it all makes for some fine encounters o'er the coming season - looking
forward to it all the more.                             


The formal signing ceremony between
> Rangers and Bernard Tapie will take place before the game against Marseille
> tomorrow night at the request of Tapie. This has finally confirmed his
> insanity by wanting to sign away a 3 million pound loss in front of 40 000
> Bears. Perhaps Celtic could appoint Tapie to their board of directors
> to show them how to really lose money..........

Mehears Terry Cassidy has been invited along to see how it should be done!
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy Mackinnon
> Univ of Strathclyde
> Glasgow
> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
>  
> 
Dan
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 13:39:52 CET
From: <STESMITH@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Official Judge and Jury
 <150ceuINNg32@agate.berkeley.edu>

In article <150ceuINNg32@agate.berkeley.edu>, mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel
Mazzarelli) says:
>
>In article <12635@crab.rl.ac.uk> kml@inf.rl.ac.uk (Kevin Lewis) writes:
>>
>>Even with all the talent he has, he cannot be bracketed with others such as
>>Moore, Charlton, Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Platini, Gullitt, Matthaus. -
>>who were all great players and great role models.
>>
>
>That one may rank players,  and not include Maradona among the top eight,
>is possible when one gives great latitude to taste.  But when such a list
>would include two mediocre English players,  it smacks of madness.
>
>Ariel
>

That one may describe Bobby Moore and Bobby Charlton as "two mediocre
English players" obviously gives great latitude to the definition of
mediocre.

- Steve -
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,misc.wanted,ca.wanted,ba.market,ba.market.misc
From: shannonm@sco.COM (Shannon Mahorney)
Subject: Soccer Teams in Silicon Valley?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:48:25 GMT


[Posting for a friend]

Hello!!

I am new to the area, and I am looking for an adult soccer team in the 
Silicon Valley (greater San Jose area, Santa Clara, etc.).

If anyone has any information on teams, clubs, etc., please call me at
(408) 988-8012 x277.

Ask for Masa Kunimaru.  I have some friends who want to play, too!!
From: irp@ukc.ac.uk (I.R.Pletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: David Rocastle
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:39:07 GMT
Reply-To: irp@ukc.ac.uk (I.R.Pletcher)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Jul23.084538.49377@ccvax.ucd.ie> jmcbride@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>I was just half-listening to Today on Radio 4.  I think I heard them say
>something about Arsenal selling David Rocastle for 2 million.  Who to?  
>I didn't even know he was thinking of leaving.  Any more details would be
>gratefully received.
>
David Rocastle has joined Leeds from Arsenal for 2million pounds. Leeds made
the bid after their attempt to sign Trevor Steven from Marseille fell through
because of the players dispute about money with the French club. Arsenal
appear to have accepted the offer in order to fund a 3.5 million offer for
Crystal Palace's Geoff Thomas. Yep Geoff Thomas! Proof that George Graham
has finally cracked up. However Crystal Palace don't seem to realise that
silly money is theirs for the taking and have turned the bid down. Crazy
or what ?

Ian
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: kencham@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Deepak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Olympics telecast for Midwest - NBC/CBC/Univision ?
Keywords: olympics,telecast, Midwest
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:19:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: University of Minnesota

Anyone know if UNIVISION/NBC/CBS will be telecasting the Olympic soccer matches ?  I am especially interested in the MidWest timings.

Thanks a 10^6 in advance.

Deepak
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Camerun results.
Keywords: Cameroon
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.140344.10102@ericsson.se> ftm@bass.ericsson.se (Tomas Melander) writes:
>Hi there!
>
>Is there anyone out there who knows:
>
>   1)  Camerun's results both in World Championships and in Olympic games.
>  
>   2)  How to spell to Camerun.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>              Tomas.

As for the spelling I would suggest Cameroon.
In WC finals they played twice:

Spain 1982:
-----------

1st. round:
 Cameroon - Peru      0:0
 Cameroon - Poland    0:0
 Cameroon - Italy     1:1

C. did not make round 2 because of less goals than Italy
(who also made 3 points, but 2:2 in goals).

Italy 1990:
-----------

1st. round:
 Cameroon - Argentina 1:0
 Cameroon - Romania   2:1
 Cameroon - USSR      0:4 (the coach was Russian, just a free thought)

1/8 final :
 Cameroon - Colombia  2:1

1/4 final :
 Cameroon - England   2:3

I don't know if they have ever played on the Olympics.

Cheers.

---------------

Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jussi@lut.fi (Jussi Salminen)
Subject: Finnish League, 16th round
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 09:48:12 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


	Finnish League, 16th round, 16th July:
									
FC Haka		1-0	FC Kuusysi	(0-0)		1 425
79. Jussi Nuorela

Jaro		1-1	MyPa		(1-0)		1 358
25. Kim Suominen	60. Mauri Keskitalo

KuPS		0-1	HJK		(0-0)		1 810
			85. Ismo Lius

MP		0-1	FC Oulu		(0-0)		1 351
			50. Marko Harju

RoPS		0-1	FC Jazz		(0-0)		1 677
			46. Luis Antonio

TPS		1-1	FC Ilves	(0-1)		2 023
80. Gyorgy Kajdy	42. Ari Hjelm



Table:
                             GP    W   T   L    GF     GA     PTS

 1.  FC Jazz (Pori)          16   10   4   2    27     16      34
 2.  FC Kuusysi (Lahti)      16    9   2   5    27     17      29
 3.  HJK (Helsinki)          16    8   2   6    29     23      26
 4.  TPS (Turku)             16    7   4   5    20     13      25
 5.  MyPa (Myllykoski)       16    5   7   4    25     15      22
 6.  FC Haka (Valkeakoski)   16    6   4   6    14     17      22
 7.  FC Ilves (Tampere)      16    6   3   7    23     22      21
 8.  Jaro (Pietarsaari)      16    6   3   7    20     20      21
 9.  RoPS (Rovaniemi)        16    6   3   7    19     24      21
10.  MP (Mikkeli)            16    5   2   9    13     24      17
----------------------------------------------------------------------
11.  KuPS (Kuopio)           16    4   4   8    17     27      16
======================================================================
12.  FC Oulu                 16    4   2  10    18     34      14


Top goalscorers:

15: Ismo Lius (HJK)
 9: Jukka Turunen (MyPa) and Luis Antonio (FC Jazz)
 8: Kimmo Tarkkio (FC Kuusysi)
 7: Ari Hjelm (FC Ilves)
 6: Paul Lindholm (Jaro), Michael Belfield (FC Kuusysi), Marko Rajamaki (TPS),
    Ari Hjelm (FC Ilves), Saku Laaksonen (FC Jazz) and Gyorgy Kajdy (TPS)



	Next matches 19th July: HJK-FC Haka, FC Ilves-RoPS, FC Jazz-MP,
				FC Kuusysi-Jaro, MyPa-KuPS, FC Oulu-TPS
From: declan@vulcan.mentec.ie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Leeds play in Dublin
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:57:33 GMT
Organization: Mentec Computer Systems, Dublin, Ireland



	Leeds United (Champions of the English 1st Division) played a
	friendly against Shelbourne (champions of the Irish premier division)
	at Tolka Park in Dublin last night.

	Leeds ran out easy 4-1 winners.

	Leeds started with new signing Scott Sellars playing on the right
	and with Gary Speed playing at Centre Half.  Leeds took the lead after
	25 minutes when Eric Cantona hit a first time pass straight through
	to the on-running Gary McAllister who beat the offside trap and
	placed the ball placed Jodie Byrne the Shels keeper.
	Shels were unlucky not to go level when Paul Doolin (I think) hit
	a lovely drive from 25 yards only to see it hit the post.
	Gary Howlett got Shels. equaliser about ten minutes later with
	a diving header that Alan Clarke would have been proud of.  

	Rod Wallace replied just before half time with a well made goal
	and Leeds went in 2 - 1 up.  The second half was all Leeds with 
	Cantona, Mc Allister and Sellars going close.  The goals came
	from Chapman in typical fashion when he rose higher that anybody
	else at the back post.  Wallace got his just deserts for a great
	game with a second just before time. 

	This is about the fifth time that Leeds have played in Dublin in
	the past 3 seasons and it was by far their best performance
	in Dublin.

	Unfortunately Steve Hodge who was having a good game had to be
	carried off durning the second half when he went over badly
	on an ankle.

	The teams were :

	Shelbourne :              Byrne

	            Coyle, Costelloe, Whelan, Neville

	            Browne, Howlett, Doolin, Rutherford

	                  Dully     Haylock

	Subs: Campbell for Coyle, Browne for Haylock and Byrne for Browne.


	Leeds :                   Lukic

	            Dorigo, White, Speed, Newsome

	            Wallace, McAllister, Hodge, Sellars

	                   Cantona, Chapman
	            
	By the way IMHO the new back rule made the game much more enjoyable
	and put the defences under greater pressure to do something
	constructive with the ball.  (GOD help England)


	Declan Mc Mahon 

	E-Mail : declan@vulcan.mentec.ie
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Spurs to field reserve side this season
Keywords: Spurs Arggghhhhh!
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:08:20 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

I see in today's paper that Terry Venables has "reluctantly" agreed to
accept Liverpool's offer of #2M for Paul Stewart - same old problem,
his family aren't happy down south. There was some speculation that the
money would be immediately invested in a striker to replace Lineker.

Question, when was the last time a big club sold its three best players
(Lineker, Gascoigne, and Stewart) in one close season while spending
something like #5M on practically unknown players???

Some good news: Spurs won their friendly at Hearts by 2 goals to one;
both goals scored by Durie. Wish I'd been there cos I've spent several
enjoyable afternoons at Tynecastle which has a good atmosphere
(regardless of what the Rangers mob says :-) I might make it to Spurs'
friendly at Watford on the 8th.

Here's to the new season - and rejoining the Football League at the
end of it!!!

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
From: dlf@aber.ac.uk (David Fenerty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: FIFA rule
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:32:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

How effective do you guys think the following tactic will be as regards 
circumventing the new FIFA rule/ timewasting?

1. Defender kicks (chips?) ball to 'keeper...

2. 'keeper chips ball to defender...

3. who plays ball to keeper with head/knee/anything but foot.

What I have in mind is a defender who gets REAL close to allow the 'keeper
to chip-kick the ball against the defenders body and catch it when it bounces 
off. I think this can be done real quick.

Any coaches out there with comments or better ideas...?

                       Dave the Scouser.
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: "Mediocre English Players"
Date: 27 Jul 1992 10:51:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-> In article <12635@crab.rl.ac.uk> kml@inf.rl.ac.uk (Kevin Lewis) writes:
-> >Even with all the talent he has, he cannot be bracketed with others such as
-> >Moore, Charlton, Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Platini, Gullitt, Matthaus. -
-> >who were all great players and great role models.
-> That one may rank players,  and not include Maradona among the top eight,
-> is possible when one gives great latitude to taste.  But when such a list
-> would include two mediocre English players,  it smacks of madness.

If Moore and Charlton are mediocre, then there must be a lot of crap 
players in the world...  

The real irony is that Kevin Lewis probably left off England's best
ever player, Sir Stanley Matthews.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: English European Draw
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:18:54 GMT

In article <10723.9207201221@thor.cf.ac.uk> scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
>In article <BrKLz9.G8o@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>|.............  In this year's championship,
>|Stuttgart's Fritz Walter was the league leading goalscorer with 22 tallies.
>                                                                    ^^^^^^^ 
>What sort of terminology is that!?!! I think you've been in the US too
>long........or listening too much to American commentators!! :-)


I have been in the US too long.  Please send money for air fare :-)

"Tally" is one of my favourite words.  Its a family reference... the English
Archers of circa Battle of Agincourt supposedly marked a notch in their longbows
when they scored a kill... this was called a "tallie" (a word we nicked from
the Normans and they nicked it from the Romans).  RAF pilots of WWII also kept
tallies (not to be confused with their hunting call, "Tally-Ho!")

Actually, I've never seen or heard the word used in reference to goalscoring
here in Yankeeland.  I picked up on the word donkies years ago whilst reading 
footy reports in newspapers like the Daily Telegraph and Times (loved those 
crosswords in both newspapers) -- used to read The Sun for different 
reasons (woooorrrr!!!)  :-)


-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com
3M Health Information Systems,	Wallingford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose." - A.P.Herbert
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: nbc - olympics
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:50:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.181845.9857@encore.com> kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius) writes:
<Colin Morris writes:
<>Garry Archer writes:
<>>The only "soccer" coverage I saw in the 1988 Olympics on Yankee TV (was it
<>>ABC's coverage then?) was that the cameras panned the crowd at half-time
<>>of the Gold Medal match.  Perhaps NBC will screw us similarly?  :-(
<
<>Naah, panning the crowd is far too much soccer to show an American
<>audience. After all, all soccer fans, by definition, are hooligans.
<>You wouldn't want to subject the U.S. to hooligans would you?
<
<We've already gotten all the soccer coverage that we can handle.  Didn't
<you see the soccer logo during the opening credits?  :-(


Awww, that does it, I've got football overload now... can't take anymore  :-)
(I'm sure NBC will comply...)

Hey, remember we were listing football cliches recently?  I was "forced"
to watch the diving on NBC last night (wife twisted me arm...) and the
woman commentator was driving be barmy!!!  Of all of the cliches she
said (I shoulda written them all down), this one takes the cake:

	"His dive has _got_ to hit the water"

I was waiting for someone to miss! :-)   (Somebody did bellyflop though :-)


-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com
3M Health Information Systems,	Wallingford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose." - A.P.Herbert
From: kryst14@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Alex Ashcroft)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool transfers???
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:25:26 GMT
Organization: Chem. Cryst. Lab., University of Oxford

In article <collins.712321988@serpent>, collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:
> In <1992Jul28.101111.9683@waikato.ac.nz> coyle@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>> Does anybody have any information on transfers to/from Liverpool F.C.

> Liverpool tried to sign John Beresford from Portsmouth earlier in the summer 
> but he preferred to join Newcastle instead.

I believe he failed the fitness test at Anfield, hence the move to Newcastle.
It was fairly ironic as the problem was the ankle that he injured in the FA
Cup Semi Final against Liverpool.

                                      Alex

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From: sbhatia@eng.clemson.edu (sameer bhatia)
Subject: Re: What the Dream Team Hopes to Prove
Reply-To: sbhatia@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:38:21 GMT

In article 19719@optima.cs.arizona.edu, curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>From article <9207281416.AA26422@BlackHole.hisoft.com>, by james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong):
>And this is what the Dream Team is all about.  To get every little boy
>and girl in Europe dreaming about basketball so that 10-15 years down
>the road there are enough quality European players to support a league
>that rivals the NBA.  The players chosen for the Dream Team are the 
>most popular players rather than the best players.  The brouha over the 
>Barkley incident and its castigation by the Team itself indicates that 
>good publicity rather than smashing victory is the goal of the Team.  
>They want to popularize a sport by playing the most exciting and entertaining 
>brand of basketball possible.  Fast breaks, high-flying jams, and
>acrobatic passes are what the Dream Team is selling.
>
>To relate this to soccer, I would claim that the entertaining, showboating
>style of the Brazilians in the 50s, 60s, and 70s made soccer the world sport.
>They made it fun and entertaining to watch with an awesome display of talent
>and skill.  So think of the Dream Team as the '70 Brazilian world cup 
>side: great skill, great entertainment, and responsible for raising the 
>sport to a new level of popularity.
>
>Curtis Dyreson


Your comments make sense, but how can basketball, a game of tall players hope to
compete with the simplest and cheapest of games, to play which you don't have
to be tall or big or even necessarily fast?
Sameer
From: pauldv@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Results wanted...
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:16:25 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex


   I was wondering if anyone out there has ALL the results from all 4
English divisions and all 3 Scottish divisions from 1991/92 season in an
archive somewhere. I would greatly appreciate anyone's help in this matter
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers Match Report
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:18:46 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND

Pre-season Friendly
Played on Tuesday 28th July

Rangers 1 Marseille 2

Att. 40,000

Rangers were totally outclassed by Marseille and it made Scottish fitba look
crap (which it is). The skill and control of the Marseille team was
embarressing Nisbet and McPherson, indeed it's rumoured that Dizzy is still
looking for Pele at this moment as he couldn't find him on the park last
night. With the Trevor Steven signing completed before kick-off, he lined up
with his old team mates against his old team mates. Marseille had a few
chances before they scored after about an hour. It was a well worked move
which left Voller with a easy shot to score. Rangers then immeadiately went
up the park and Bomber was sent clean through with only the keeper to beat -
he passed the ball to no-one. Pele then produced some unbelievable skills on
the wing and then played a glorious ball down the wing which was crossed in
and headed in by Deschamps (I think). It was a brilliant goal. Number three
almost came right after that with the Rangers defence all at sea. The Rangers
goal was a penalty by Hateley with about ten minutes to go after he was
pulled down by the keeper. Cancel that trip to Denmark lads!

With the new laws on passbacks in force, it was strange to see the keepers
belting the ball up the park right away but at least less time is wasted.
This is going to screw up Motherwell when they visit Ibrox.

First league match of the season is on Saturday against St. Johnstone at
Ibrox.
-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
 Spider Systems Limited     
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From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: nbc - olympics
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:51:54 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <Bs7LCr.E0G@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>
>woman commentator was driving be barmy!!!  Of all of the cliches she
>said (I shoulda written them all down), this one takes the cake:
>
>	"His dive has _got_ to hit the water"
>
>I was waiting for someone to miss! :-)   (Somebody did bellyflop though :-)
>
     A few Olympics ago I remember watching a swimming event and the
 commentator, trying to convey the speed of one competitor, came
 out with :

     " This boy swims like a greyhound ... " !!!

 Regards, Steve.
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