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From: pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:43:20 GMT
Reply-To: pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)
Organization: m4

In article <42319@ogicse.ogi.edu>, jlewis@ogicse.ogi.edu (Jeff Lewis) writes:
|> OK - here's a brief list of the schemes mentioned so far (plus a couple
|> variations) of how to name the instrument/musician specific newsgroups.
|> 
|> A:  Create rec.musicians.misc for misc musician discussion
|>     Create rec.musicians.{rock,jazz,classical} for genre specific
|>       musician discussion
|>     Create rec.musicians.{guitar,percussion,keyboards,etc}
|>     Create rec.musicians.misc-instruments
|>     Create rec.musicians.marketplace
|> 

I think this approach is fine.

|> Variations on a theme:
|> B:  rec.musicians.misc
|>     rec.musicians.{rock,jazz,classical}
|>     rec.musicians.instruments.{guitar,percussion,keyboards,etc}
|>     rec.musicians.instruments.misc
|>     rec.musicians.marketplace
|> 

The inclusion of "instruments" before the specific areas seems artificial.
It also seems to imply that the discussion is about the instruments these
musicians play rather than a general place that all percussionists can gather
to talk about whatever they wish.

|> Variations on a theme:
|> C:  rec.music.makers
|>     rec.music.makers.{rock,jazz,classical}
|>     rec.music.instruments.{guitar,percussion,keyboards,etc}
|>     rec.music.instruments.misc
|>     rec.music.instruments.marketplace
|> 

I don't like this for the same reason as B.

|> As per current RFD:
|> D:  Use rec.music.makers for misc discussion
|>     Overload rec.music.{classical,bluenote,etc} for genre specific
|>       musician discussion
|>     Create rec.music.makers.{guitar,percussion,keyboards,etc}
|>     Overload rec.music.marketplace for instruments as well
|>       (or create rec.music.makers.marketplace)
|> 

This also seems fine to me.

|> Minimal change:
|> E:  Same as D, but create rec.music.{guitar,percussion,keyboards,etc}
|>       instead.
|> 

I don't like this because the name seems to imply discussions of guitar
*music* rather than of issues of interest to guitarists.

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

   Paul Stevens                        {apple|decwrl}!metaphor!pstevens
   Metaphor Computer Systems           pstevens@metaphor.com
   Mountain View, CA
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.indian.american and soc.culture.tamil
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:23:22 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>>> What's so damn wrong in reminding people to cast their votes and hope 
>>> them to vote favorably ?   
>
> This is NOT against the guidelines as has been pointed out in earlier
> discussion.  

From the guidelines (emphasis mine):

> ...A couple of repeats of the call for votes may be posted during the
> vote, provided that they contain similar clear, UNBIASED instructions
> for casting a vote as the original... 

"Hoping people to vote favorably" isn't "unbiased", Alok.

Now *shut the hell up*.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"People who attempt to have reasoned discussions with raving
 morons deserve what they get." 	-- Melinda Shore
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: RFD: Removal of Unused Newsgroups
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:43:00 GMT

In article <BtyEpu.2CM@uunet.uu.net> aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman) writes:
		   The Need for a Call for Removal (CFR)
			   Procedure for UseNet:
		  Formal Proposal for New UseNet Guideline

Good idea.  Now someone who wants to push it should submit a proposal
for CFM (call for moderation change).  It's good to see that Dave
isn't an automaton in the interpretation of the Guidelines. :-)

A suggestion for discussion:

6 months between CFR votes for a particular group (may have been
implied, but let's make it explicit)
--
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employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:28:00 GMT
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <a_rubin.715358348@dn66> a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes:
>Perhaps the people you talked to thought it was ambiguous; I thought it
>quite clear that it was about americans of indian descent.

You're intimately familiar with all the groups in question, how they were
created, and so on. You don't just see "New newsgroup soc.culture.asian.
american... subscribe?", like most people. A name has to first work out of
the context of other groups, because that's how it's presented to new users.
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.sf.tv.blakes7
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:33:09 GMT
	<1992Aug31.135618.11612@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central

Hades> == Hades  <hades@coos.dartmouth.edu> 

 Hades> There are just no guarantees that a tv show will last longer
 Hades> than a couple of years and we have no need for more dead weight
 Hades> in the mainstram hierarchies.

Given that the show's already dead, the argument that there won't be
traffic after it dies doesn't hold a whole lot of water.

At least the RFD was for the Right Place in the Grand Scheme of Things.
--
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            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
From: mike@pencom.com (Mike Heath)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.org.aix - renamed
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:48:23 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Pencom Software, Austin, TX

Well, the straw poll came down pretty close between:
	comp.org.iaug
and variations of:
	comp.org.aix-users

I tend to like the latter, only because it's more clear.

I realize the Sun user group is comp.org.sug, but how clear
is that to people who don't know?  Not very clear, IMHO.

Are there any major objections to renaming the proposed newsgroup to:
comp.org.aix-users
???

-- 
Mike Heath		Pencom ...  We're not just headhunters anymore.
Pencom Software		
Austin, TX		
mike@pencom.com
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: Removal of Unused Newsgroups
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:19:49 GMT
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: Illini Mastication Society
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

millerl@wharton.upenn.edu writes:

> I agree that such a procedure needs to be in place but there has to be
> some kind of use test for the newsgroup. Namely this should only be done
> to newsgroups that have <X posts per month over Y months. I'd go for
> something like X=20 and Y=6 myself.

And what about groups like news.announce.important?
-- 
Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  I speak for myself, and not for the State or University of Illinois.
  "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -- Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re:  soc.culture.indian.american and soc.culture.tamil
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 22:22:51 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete
Summary: Not so much a surrender as a release of high-pressure steam

alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>> You were vote taker at the time, and posted some messages asking for
>> votes, the contents of which went against the spirit of the Usenet 
>
> What's so damn wrong in reminding people to cast their votes and hope 
> them to vote favorably ? 

It's AGAINST THE RULES when YOU'RE the VOTE TAKER, you PATHETIC SACK of
BOWLING BALLS! 

> If this whole process is not against the net spirit, I have to question
> this damned spirit of the net.  

PARK the SPIRIT OF THE NET up your RIGHT NOSTRIL and INHALE until it
PIERCES YOUR BRAINPAN.  Oooops . . . TOO LATE!

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"It's a party item, much like the TITANIC was."
From: jcooley@seqp4.sequoia.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: past survey
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:58:35 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.



Does anyone have a copy of the regularly posted report of the survey of
the most/least popular newsgroups along with estimated readership and
estimated distributions to sites?  It comes out every month on one
of the "news" newsgroups but unfortunetly I missed the last two.

If you find it, I be grateful if you e-mailed a copy to me at

                      jcooley@sequoia.com

Thank you and enjoy life!

-John

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From: fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.stratus
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:07:25 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

As a former DEC employee (well, OK, as a former DEC co-op), I have found the
comp.sys.dec newsgroup a great way to keep track of what my former employer
has been up (and lately, down) to.  I have often thought that Stratus could
greatly benefit from the same sort of input from users, etc.  The current
mailing list does a very good job of this, but its use is limited -- unless
you know it's there, it's rather difficult to find.  The advantage of the
newsgroup is that any random person with Usenet access could just stumble
across it.

My current interest in the newsletter is that it gives me insight into what
Stratus customers do with our boxes, our software, etc.  My hope with the
newsgroup would be for greater input of that sort.  When this comes up to
a vote, my vote would be "yes".

Oh, and Thanks to Bob Wise for starting the ball rolling!


Faith


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Re: RESULT: talk.politics new groups all fail
Organization: Echo Beach
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:55:10 GMT

I think that the volume of messages in talk.politics.misc has grown
unmanageably large, and so the newsgroup should be split.

I also think the regular participants in sci.med would have welcomed
a group like talk.politics.health to draw off some of the political debates
from sci.med.


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Newsgroups: pgh.general
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Free ClariNet subscription during strike for Pittsburgh Sites
Reply-To: info@clarinet.com
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:53:57 GMT

As your newspaper strike in Pittsburgh has been going on for far too long,
and you folks are probably starved for print news, we at ClariNet have
decided to offer a free ClariNet subscription to any site in Pittsburgh
for the duration of the strike (to a maximum of 3 months.)

ClariNet provides an electronic newspaper in 200 newsgroups, including
UPI news, computer industry news, features, sports, business news and now
even local news and summaries for 35 regions, including Pennsylvania.

Subscribing is easy.  All you need is our script to create the groups,
fill out a form so that we have you on file, and then we get the feed
turned on.  Local feeds will branch out from CMU, and from sites that
get the feed from CMU.

In most cities we advertise that ClariNet gets you the news before the papers
go to print.   That's not such a great feat right now in Pittsburgh, but we
hope you find this useful, and of course we hope you'll keep subscribing
when the strike is over.

If you are a news admin, mail to info@clarinet.com for more details.  If you
are not a news admin, please send inquiries through that person.
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Newsgroups: pgh.test
From: bnixon@fnma.com (Bill Nixon)
Subject: ZETS???
Organization: FannieMae, Washington, DC
Distribution: pgh
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:59:35 GMT

Are there any ZETS still alive in the 'burgh?

Deus
-- 
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From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga)
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: Re: pheew!
Keywords: 
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:53:08 EST
Organization: None

Quoted from <...unknown> by germanm@weird.miami.fl.us (System Operator):
> We're still here, when's the next one comming?
> Did everyone make it ok?
> 
> -- German Ma (aka SiniStar)
> germanm@weird.miami.fl.us            Weird Bulletin Board System
> ...!mthvax!weird!germanm             (305)553-3207 CNet Amiga
> ...!novavax!medexam!weird!germanm    Free UseNET access 24 hrs a day
> 
> "ANDREW was here '92" - "Keep on BBS'in" - "On-Line 'til the next one!"

	Woe, Don't even think it.  One was enough for a very long time.
:-/  Everything over on my end is fine except minor damages which can be
fixed.  Tree? We got none...

Carlos

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	I live in Miami, FL which is close to the Cutler Ridge and
Homestead areas.  If you wish to contact someone you have been unable to
reach because of Hurricane Andrew send E-mail to
postmaster@megalith.miami.fl.us and I will try my best to reach them for
you.  Folks out there who are able, please donate to the American Red Cross
in anyway you can.  They are running low in Funds and this Hurricane is
only further draining their resoources.  There are many people here who
are in need of many common items.  Thank you and God Bless.
From: marrone@ee.fit.edu (Michael Marrone)
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: Public Access Unix site(s) in Orlando
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:55:16 GMT
Distribution: fl
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Fl


	A while ago (and probably on-going) I saw a posting from a public
access unix in Orlando.  Can someone email me with info on it, such
as phone number, and how to get an account, and how much of a charge
is there (if any) and what kind of access it has.

Thanks a lot!
Mike Marrone
From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga)
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: Hurricane Andrew
Keywords: 
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:13:13 EST
Organization: None

Hello folks,

	My feed came back online the 27 Of August after having no power
or phone contact for 3 days.  Phone and electrical utilities have been
restored as of this writing as well as water.

	Any of you folks who get this newsgroups in or beyond Florida 
and have reletives or friends in the Miami, Cutler Ridge, or Homestead
areas and want to get a message out to them feel free to send E-Mail to
me and I will try to get that message to them.  If the note is directed
to the Homestead area keep in mind that 90% of the homes are not standing
and have no electricity, telco, or water services available.  Again feel
free to send messages to those you wish to reach and I will relay them as
soon as possible.

Carlos
postmaster@megalith.miami.fl.us

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From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga)
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: News Availability
Keywords: 
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:02:13 EST
Organization: None

	This note is intended for any system which want to carry the
following newsgroup:

alt.hurricane.andrew

	If you would like to carry this newsgroup, but are unable to
because your site does not carry it, you may obtain it from my system via
UUCP.  I normally charge for connections to my systems, but am making
this available to any system wishing to carry this newsgroup alone with
no fees involved.  To establish a connection and receive this newsgroups
E-mail:

postmaster@megalith.miami.fl.us

	The request will be processed as quickly as possible.

Carlos
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	I live in Miami, FL which is close to the Cutler Ridge and
Homestead areas.  If you wish to contact someone you have been unable to
reach because of Hurricane Andrew send E-mail to
postmaster@megalith.miami.fl.us and I will try my best to reach them for
you.  Folks out there who are able, please donate to the American Red Cross
in anyway you can.  They are running low in Funds and this Hurricane is
only further draining their resoources.  There are many people here who
are in need of many common items.  Thank you and God Bless.
From: germanm@weird.miami.fl.us (System Operator)
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: pheew!
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:24:38 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

We're still here, when's the next one comming?
Did everyone make it ok?

-- German Ma (aka SiniStar)
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...!mthvax!weird!germanm             (305)553-3207 CNet Amiga
...!novavax!medexam!weird!germanm    Free UseNET access 24 hrs a day

"ANDREW was here '92" - "Keep on BBS'in" - "On-Line 'til the next one!"
From: map-request@aaa.com ( Florida UUCP Map Co-ordinator )
Newsgroups: fl.map
Subject: map for grits
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:48:06 GMT
Distribution: fl

#N	grits
#S	Sperry PC/IT; Xenix
#C	Bob Brankley
#E	grits!brankley
#T	+1 813 576 1721
#P	9100 9th St. N #502, St. Petersburg, FL, 33702
#L	27 50 10 N / 82 42 30 W
#R
#U
#W	myrddin!hargen (Bill Hargen); Sat Aug 22 14:47:02 EDT 1992
#
grits	myrddin(DIRECT+FAST)
From: map-request@aaa.com ( Florida UUCP Map Co-ordinator )
Newsgroups: fl.map
Subject: map for pro-magic
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:48:09 GMT
Distribution: fl

#N      pro-magic
#S      Apple IIe; Proline 2.0b5
#O      Apple Tree of Central Florida, Inc
#C      Mike Ungerman
#E      mikeu@pro-magic.oau.org
#T      +1 407 366 5840
#P      2977 Erskine Dr, Oviedo, Fl 32765
#L      28 23 10 N / 081 18 23 W
#R      24 hour operation at +1 407 366 0156 (Except Sun from 0600-1200)
#U
#W      pro-magic!mikeu (Mike Ungerman); Thu Aug 27 09:00 EDT 1992
#
pro-magic       = pro-magic.oau.org
pro-magic       bilver(HOURLY+50), pro-carolina(DAILY), pro-nbs(DAILY*2),
        pro-sol(DAILY*4), sysbish(HOURLY+50), tous(HOURLY)
From: map-request@aaa.com ( Florida UUCP Map Co-ordinator )
Newsgroups: fl.map
Subject: map for myrddin
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:48:03 GMT
Distribution: fl

#N	myrddin
#S	Sun 4/40; SunOS 4.1.2
#C	William M. Hargen
#E	myrddin!hargen
#T	+1 813 393 1486
#P	4875 112th St. N, St. Petersburg, FL, 33708-3037
#L	27 48 45 N / 82 47 30 W
#R
#U	palan pdn sybus tscs
#W	myrddin!hargen (Bill Hargen); Sat Aug 22 14:47:02 EDT 1992
#
myrddin = myrddin.sybus.com
myrddin	grits(DAILY/2), palan(DIRECT+HIGH), reddwarf(DAILY/2),
	sybus(DEDICATED), tct(DIRECT+HIGH), tscs(DEMAND+FAST),
	uunet(DEDICATED)
From: mcariaso@weird.miami.fl.us (Mike Cariaso)
Newsgroups: fl.test
Subject: looking for ed
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:30:38 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

I'm trying to reach Ed hennis at UF but I don't know the address. I assume it's EHennis@(I don't know this).gainsville.fl.us.  Anyone at UF who could respond and tell me the system name it would be appreciated mucho.

Mcariaso@wierd.miami.fl.us

how bout them hurricanes
Newsgroups: fl.test
From: sunny@skylinx.sa.com (Sunny Heck)
Subject: sunny test
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Inc.
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:23:53 GMT

this is a test
From: dweiss@tri.com (Dan Weiss)
Newsgroups: fl.jobs
Subject: Year-long position for those w/ Mac C++ & VAX network
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:48:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Registry Inc.  Wellesley, MA  02181

Keywords: Mac C++ Vax network northern Florida applications
programming

The Registry, Inc., a software consulting firm, has a number of
year-long positions in Northern Florida for those with 3-5 years
of Mac C++ programming and Vax Network support experience in the
workplace.

This position involves the maintenance and programming of an
existing application that networks Macs to a VAX database through
Appletalk.

Anyone interested in this opportunity who fits the above criteria
and will be available for this within the next month should
contact:

     Dan Weiss @ The Registry, Inc.
     1-800-248-9119
     dweiss@tri.com
From: jeeper@sw.stratus.com (Bill The Cat)
Newsgroups: fl.jobs
Subject: Re: Headhunters in Florida ??Hi,
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:50:38 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.


    Would somebody please email me the names and phone number of any good
computer/unix headhunters/recruiters in Florida.   TKS Rayo

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Hay I second that motion.... 


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