HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: R. Anthony
Subject: New GS Freeware
Summary: New freeware
Keywords: Freeware GS
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:48:27 GMT

I wrote a message about a week ago concerning Quinn Dunki and the freeware for
the GS that he is working on.  Someone asked why he isn't on Comp.sys.apple2,
well he has an internet mailing account but for some reason is unable to get
csa2.  I think the support that has been sent to Quinn in terms of mail has had
a good effect.  Today I received (and will post to binaries and ftp) a demo of
the combat system for his game Warrior Saga.  *Only the "combat demo" option
works from the main menu.  

Quinn also requested that I tell everyone that ALL the source code for his
projects (CyberWar, Warrior Saga, and his demos) are public domain.  Anyone who
is interested can just mail him for them.  He is also interested in any 
criticisms or comments about his games (or demos of forthcoming games).  I 
should be receiving a demo of yet another game soon that I will post.

His address is quinn@griffin.cuc.ab.ca

Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar)
Subject: Re: Upgrading Zip
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:28:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.052529.486@debug.cuc.ab.ca> Trentc@debug.cuc.ab.ca () writes:
>I have a 10MHz Zip w/64K cache. With all the talk of being able to go
>faster, I ordered the new '816 chip from WDC and got a hold of a few
>crystals to test things out with, 48, 50, and 55. I ran into a
>problem, and that is my Zip will not do anything with any of these
>crystals. I am still down at 10 MHz. What I am wondering is..
> 
>a) I have 45 nanosecond static cache in my Zip, is that fast enough to
>   at least go 12?
> 

45 nS is likely to only top 10 MHz.

>b) Does anyone know the details of the work around to the 12.4 bottle
>   neck on the Zip? Exact details please..
> 

I'd like to know too.

>c) With the split cache mod, if you have 64K and do it, you get 2 - 32's,
>   does anyone know if you can plug in say, 128K of cache RAM and get
>   2 - 64's?
> 

What I was told by one of the designers of the Zip is that it has been done
by himself but does take piggy-backing 32k chips and some rewiring.  I DO NOT
know how though and I don't think the speed it would offer would be worth the
trouble.

>I must say, the Zip is not the best made card in the world. My friend has
>his TWGS running at 13.75 MHz with no problems.

Even though I own a Zip and think it is a good product (I'm NOT happy with
some of the company's business actions though) I think the Zip is a better
built product.  Less heat (fact), less parts (fact), less current (fact).

Keep in mind the TWGS has gone through more production revisions while the
Zip has only gone through 3.  I say this to say that NOT ALL TWGSs WILL
MEET WITH THAT KIND OF SUCESS.  Some older ones will have problems with
high speed operations.  Read that article that WDC made you mail for.
AE will charge a TWGS user a bit for the fast GALs too, I bet.

Believe me I have a TWGS here I'm trying to fix for a friend and I'm suprised
that card works by the way it is designed!  On the other hand I've had a 2
month burn period for my Zip before I got things stable with it.

Things are running too smoothly now so I think I goof things up and upgrade
the speed myself.  LOOK OUT!

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From: foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple ][ FAQ?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:42:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug18.143817.6843@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jeffh@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jeff Hunsinger-MUX_Tech) writes:

>7. What kind of mouse can be used with the Apple mouse card?

This question prompts me to go ahead and tell everyone something I discovered
a few months ago.  There's an electronics company (I'll quote specifics 
later if there's interest) which has a supply of new trac balls for the old
Atari 5200 game machine for like $12.95.  The things a bit of a monster, but
has a really nice trac ball mech, and it turns out that (after I hacked 
for a day or so) that by simply removing four of the five chips in the
socketted circuitboard, and plugging a connector in place of one of the
chips, you have a perfectly working trac ball to work on the //e mouse 
card!  (Should work with the //c too.)  (Ok, I had to replace ONE resistor
too...  turned out the five volt supply was a bit too low for one of the 
opto-sensors to operate within tolerances and so it tracked funny in one
direction..  Chances are that most of 'em won't even need that.  Thus this
becomes a NO SOLDER modification (other than actually building the cable 
iself, but conceivably someone could use a crimp connect DB-9 and get away
with no soldering...  =)

So, if anyone's really interested, I'll dig up the company's name and 
number, and give exact details for the modification.  The thing works 
great, although it'd be nice to be able to trim the case down some.  
(Also, there are two numeric keypads with the little rubber keys on 'em.
Those could easily be wired to the //e numeric keypad connector and give
you a functional (if somewhat small) numeric keypad!)


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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Buffering through software...
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:32:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug11.170916.7237@serveme.chi.il.us> kgapp@gagme (Kevin Gapp) writes:
>Sean Eller writes
> 
>>
>>Hi, I'm tired of sitting waiting for this damn imagewriter to print from
>>AWGS and was wondering instead of buying a 32k buffer for the printer if
>>there had been a program written that say intercepts the port calls for the
>>printer and stores the data in a buffer and prints from a buffer in memory.
>>Working in the background off of interupts.  The concept seems simple, I
>>just don't know if it's been done or if it's even possible to catch stuff
>>going out to the printer.  Has anyone tried this?  Thanks..
>>Sean
>
>Yes, it is possible, and yes there is a program to do it.  It is called 
>Express and is published by Seven Hills Software.  It is GS specific and 
>runs under GS/OS, and does just what you need.  It is comparable to all 
>the expensive print spoolers for the MAC, and it is only $29.95 from Seven 
>Hills.  Check out a copy of Incider and look for it in the ads.

If he has an IM2, there is (or was), a 32K print buffer card available.
Wonder if they still make it?
 
>--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Kevin Gapp						     Apple IIgs RuleZ *

Rich

payner@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: What is a Apple I worht?th?
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 06:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.195443.154@uts.cc.wayne.edu> rwilson@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Ron Wilson) writes:
>I have been asked if I would be willing to sell my Apple I (yes, I - as in
>the predesessor to the Apple ][).  As it is my understanding that only about
>200 of these where made, it would seem to me to be quite valuable.  Therefore,
>what price could I reasonably ask (should I decide to sell it).

Last time I heard (and this was a few years ago), an Apple I could get
you about $10K.  Hang onto it a few more years and the value will
probably increase even more.

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!                      Fidonet: 1:209/765
(IIe (  TEMPORARILY OFFLINE    Apple II/IBM                     GEnie: S.ALFTER
 \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Swich It and Multitasking
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:11:42 GMT

abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:

>A Multitask OS exists for the IIGS, right?  why not use that instead?

No. Wrong. A multitasking add-on exists, it allows you to multitask a number
of EXE type ("shell") programs plus one desktop program.
It _is_ pretty cool, I like it a lot, but it is nowhere even near an OS. Not
that it was meant to be, either :)

Soenke

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler)
Subject: Formfeed problem (was Re: Buffering through software...)
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:56:23 GMT

bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

>uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) writes:

>>Check out Seven Hills' new program "Express", which spools files to disk
>>to be printed in the background while you continue using your IIGS.

>  Or, if you have GNO/ME, we can give you one for free.

I have had intermittent formfeed character losses using lpr under gno,
and AppleWorks 3.0.  I have a Laser 90A - Imagewriter 1 clone.  This only
happens if I queue up several short listings in AppleWorks 3.0 (that allow
multiple jobs in the GS buffer) or several any size listings in GNO.
I suspect some sort of serial handshake problem.  Has anyone else had
similar problems and/or suggest what I might try?

Thanx in advance...
-- 
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Compaq Computer Corporation             uucp: ..!uunet!max@compaq.com
P.O. Box 692000 - M050701               phone: (713) 378-8366
Houston, Texas  77269-2000              fax:   (713) 374-7305
"The views expressed here are my own, and not those of my employer."
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: system software idea
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:44:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Aug14.005139.673@nuscc.nus.sg> isc10327@nusunix2.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE) writes:

Randy Shackelford writes:
>: I got an even better setup than that. I just set the right bit in battery
>: RAM and they show up all the time. Thanx to Eric Mulholland. ROM 03's are
>: so neat, everyone should get one. So I have done homebrew BRAM mods to nuke
>: the icons off my boot screen and get the ROM da's to show up. Are there any
>: other neat BRAM tricks anyone knows about for me to try?

>You mean you can actually program the Rom 03 battery RAM to
>contain programs which can be executed?  [...]

    N     N    OOO     !    The system does not execute programs from
    NN    N   O   O    !    Battery RAM.
    N N   N   O   O    !
    N  N  N   O   O    !    I don't mean to yell, but that would be
    N   N N   O   O    !    a really dangerous state of affairs, since
    N    NN   O   O         it could allow viruses to spread by way of
    N     N    OOO     !    Battery RAM. -- It doesn't happen.

All the things Randy mentioned are covered by the ROM or the System Software
checking a particular bit in Battery RAM and behaving differently depending
on the setting.

Other things to try.  Well, there's a bit that makes System 6 *not* sort
your desk accessories alphabetically, and one that makes the mouse pointer
flicker less with accelerators.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: GSBug 1.6 disk on ftp.apple.com
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:40:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

The GSBug 1.6 disk image is now available on ftp.apple.com (130.43.2.3).

Log in as "anonymous" and then
  cd dts/aii/tools/gsbug
  get gsbug-1-6-shk.bsc

(If you're not sure you want that 500K file, first get gsbug-1-6-readme.txt.)
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey)
Subject: Sluggo III
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 04:17:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Summary: Bill H. has already built the SNES/GS interface

Burger Bill has already built and uses an external device that allows you
to interface a game machine (SNES, Genesis, etc.) to an Apple IIGS'
parallel port, called the "Sluggo III". With this device, you can read and
play cartridges and optionally write to 'blank' cartridges that you can get
as a developer.

Because of the legal issues, this is usually only available to developers
but when I spoke with Bill (in a GEnie RTC), he seemed more than willing to
sell to interested parties at the time. The cost is a little steep (c.
$1,000) but again, this reflects the target audience. He also mentioned
that for best results, you should use an AE (yuck) Parallel Pro with the
Sluggo.

(Wanders off mumbling something about and you can connect an SNES/Genesis
to most GS compatible RGB monitors such as the Sony KV-1311CR, Amiga 1084s,
etc. You just need the proper cable specs)

Be seeing you...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Smartport Extended calls
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:17:44 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

chauhan@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Amrit Chauhan) writes:
>I have written a very, very simple program that ejects the disk from the 3.5"
>drive.  Now, I have no problem writing routines for the Smartport in 8-bit
>mode, or "standard" mode, but extended calls are giving me trouble.

>	keep	ejectNOT
>	longi	on
>	longa	on
>EJECT	START
>	php			;store the status register
>	clc
>	xce			;native mode
>	rep	#$30		;16-bit everything
>	jsl	$E0C50D		;dispatch address
>	dc	h'44'		;extended call -- control code
>	dc	i2<'CMDLIST'	;low word of CMDLIST
>	dc	i2>'CMDLIST'	;high word of CMDLIST

Hold it right here!!! According to everything I have read about Smartport,
all calls MUST be made from emulation mode. For example (from TN.SMPT.006):

      page or on the caller's direct page.  This is a moot point--
      SmartPort calls are required to be made from full-emulation mode.
      This requirement means the emulation bit must be set and the data
      bank and direct page registers must both be set to zero.  The
      bytes are used on the absolute zero page, as that should be the
      direct page when SmartPort is called.


All that extended calls give you is the ability to:

1)	Access blocks on devices larger than 2^24 blocks in size.
2)	Transfer data to/from memory in banks other than bank zero.
-- 
David Wilson				(042) 21 3802 voice, (042) 21 3262 fax
Dept Comp Sci, Uni of Wollongong	david@cs.uow.edu.au
From: karsten@pnet51.orb.mn.org (E. Karsten Smelser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: FTP mail...
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:05:03 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.


        I'm attempting to use FTP through mail - one question...who do I send
it to?

                e.g.   ???@tybalt.caltech.edu
                       ^^^

 
PROJECT EARTH   612/731-2665   300/2400 bps   24 Hrs/Day   60 Megs
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Picking a SCSI-hardrive
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 06:29:08 GMT

In article <13AUG199201400967@vax2.concordia.ca> spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector) writes:
>>I'd also recommend against the 3.5-floppy-sized HDs.  Hard drives get
>>fairly warm in normal operation...
>
>  Are you sure about that? The TMS Shadow contains nothing inside the
>case that could cause any heat build up, especially since the powersupply
>(brick-on-a-rope) is kept outside the case. Even so it may use convection
>cooling, by air vents, so any small amount of heat that's produced (if any)
>would circulate out. If there's another source of heat in a TMS Shadow, please
>let me know... Then I'll probably stick with the TMS external "Pro" (would
>have to move my floppy disk boxes off the desk, but.... :)

The mechanism can get a bit toasty in normal operation.  I wouldn't
want to run one without a fan.  Fans are cheap insurance.  There are
probably a few people here who have had no problems with the Shadow
(and related drives)...all I can say is "buyer beware."

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!                      Fidonet: 1:209/765
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From: Rob_Long@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Rob Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: AppleCat Wanted
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:48:56 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

     Thanks to all who replied with info on the GS..... To John Daniels!!
I DO NOT have access to an account to send you email... please try to get
me a number for the guy with the applecat! also please send me info on
items you may have and are willing to part with....


                             WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
============================================================================
===APPLECAT MODEM BY NOVATION ANY CONFIGURATION WILL PAY A $20.00 FINDER
FEE TO=
=PERSON WHO POINTS ME TO A SELLER!!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: ztsindi@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Independents - SUNY Buffalo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Help! Integer Basic on GS?
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy Net World!
	My 5.25 disk took an end dive recently. I borrowed a friends 
and have been attempting to copy my favorite programs to 3.5 inch. 
One problem I've had is useing Integer basic on the GS. How is this 
done, if it is done. I can't brun it usually and when I can I'm told
that there are 'No buffers'.  Also, I remember a utility that would 
let you format 3.5 inch disks in DOS 3.3. Its by the author of 
Prosel-16 I think. I can't find it on any ftp sites but I remember 
seeing it as pd or shareware. Anyone have it? Care to post it?
	Ten thousand salaams! (not sadaams).
							-Joe
							ztsindi@ubvms
From: kelton@ocf.berkeley.edu (Allen Kelton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Digitizing Sounds
Date: 16 Aug 1992 03:22:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

	I have a GS and access to a MacRecorder by Farallon Computing.  It's a
sound digitizer that plugs into the serial ports for the Mac.  I'm told that 
there is somewhat of a standard protocol for this type of thing.  Apparently 
there are home-built plans for the Mac that use the same protocols.  Does 
anybody know how I might be able to access this?  Are there any PD/shareware
programs already out there?  I can probably write the program myself if I
had the specs.
	On a side note, does anybody know a better price than $3.25 for 1Mx1
DRAMs (not that I consider $3.25 to be too bad)?

kelton@ocf.berkeley.edu
Allen Kelton
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Help! Apple IIe
From: plee@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:31:29 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Hi, 

	I recently acquired an old Apple IIe for free. To put it simply, I know
very little - almost nothing about Apples. I need help. These are some of the
questions that I have - any other useful info that you can think of would be
good, too...

Can I expand my RAM? If so, How?
Can I find a hardisk (??) someplace for this machine? If not, a 3.5 inch
drive... What would I need? Where would I get it? How much will it cost?

What kind of software is out there? Where would be good place to find it?
Catalogs? Mail orders? magazines? 
Is it possible that they might have a database program for this? 
Where can I get Appleworks? (I have a boot disk but no program)

I guess those are the preliminary questions. I'd like to slowly acquire a modem
and a decent printer (preferably laser or inkjet) but those can wait until I
figure out how to use it!

The person who donated the computer gave a lot of games, but not much else. =)

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

					Pauline Meehyun Lee

Xref: sparky comp.sys.apple2:18929 misc.forsale.computers:29589
From: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com (John Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Wanted: dead or broken Apple IIes.
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:29:58 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Wanted: Dead or broken Apple IIes.

I'm interested in cases, power supplies, motherboard, ROMs, keyboards,
etc for the IIe.  Broken Disk II's are also ok.

I fix this stuff (sometimes even successfuly) as a hobby, so the 
cheaper the better.  
  
-- 
John Sullivan, Engineer/Computer Development.   Email: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com.
Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA.               Phone: (408)746-4688.
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: From Apple Corp. To Us.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 07:34:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.025419.28258@news.iastate.edu> irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:

[ ]
>
>I just felt obligated to reply to this (James, if you're reading, *shut up* ;)
>I'm not sure if I'm worthy to be in the same line as Steve and the Gogs-meister
>.  But I guess I'll live.  Thanks muchly for everything, and (as that scum
>Meekins would say) SUPPORT THE II IN '92...

Good. Now that you've received the compliment, when will AudioZap recognize
sampling rates and support the Zip GS?! Also, do you know of a NDA which will
digitize using the AA (and save to a file).
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Writing Finder Extensions
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:27:17 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <NAGENDRA.92Aug19140109@csa.bu.edu> nagendra@csa.bu.edu (nagendra mishr) writes:
>
>Does anyone have the information on how to do this?

You need _Programmer's Reference for System 6.0_ from Byte Works, Inc.
This is the official System 6 programmer documentation.

You can reach Byte Works at (505) 898-8183.  The book is 468 pages and
costs around $45.

The book explains things better in many cases than the ERSs on the System 6
CD, and it corrects some out-of-date information that was in the ERSs.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2