From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: when china wakes
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:56:30 EST

In Article: <2B454B84.23191@news.service.uci.edu>
   Subject: when china wakes
      From: ygu@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Yifan Gu) writes:
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> But many chinese are thanking Mao, genuinely, for something.

For what? Can you elaborate on this?  My understanding is there is a
recent revived fervor of Mao worshipping, mostly by those less educated
among the mass, to fill the void of their life, by their worshipping of
Mao's memorabilia, in a similar way that some people worship the cross
or the statue of a buhda.

What you neglect to mention is there are many people in China, who see
Mao as the root of many China's recent evils, and they despise and curse
Mao for what he has done.
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>>in the prefecture of Hong2 An1, which used to be a strong base for the
>>old red army, the hometown of more than 20 some PLA's generals. One day,
>>the secretary of local CCP's branch and his car was driven into the
>>river by accident, the local peasants were arranging the rescue
>>operation, but after they learned the identity of the accident victim,
>>they all gave up the rescue effort , and simply walked away, saying
>>"for the god damn CCP, let the SOB drawn!".

>I seriously doubt the truthfulness of this storry. I have never in my
>life seen a peasant who would use the word "GOD DAMN" in China. Are you
>talking about a British peasant in China?

You have your right to doubt anything...  FYI, "GOD DAMN" in the
language of a Chinese peasant is "Tian1 Sha1 De5" (deserve to be killed
by heaven).   :-)
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>It is true that the "popularity" of CCP today in China can not compare
>once it was. But your tale is an bad example.

You have every right not to believe anything I wrote, but you are too
quick to draw your conclusion and call my story "tale".

CCP did made lot's of tales in deceiving the Chinese nation, the
biggest one was the fairy tale of "communism paradise", the latest one
is the "socialism with Chinese character".  :-)

FYI, this same story was posted 3 times on the SCC, at the time when
this happened, at that time, not a single one on the net voiced
disagreement. Your own ignorance cannot disprove my story. Or you are
just using the same tactic which the CCP used after the TAM massacre,
"Not one single person was killed on the TAM!".
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>They not only supported it, they participated in it. Almost 100% of
>city and Town people (over age 13) did participate because, guess what,
>they had "freedom of speech"!  Don't be surprised!  The chinese
>paraphrase for "freedom of speech" at the time was "Da Ming, Da Fong, Da
>Zhi Boa, Da Bian Leng" (sorry, I forgot Pin Yin already). It roughly
>means that "let all the opinions be heared, let your piece of mind be
>given to others, use big posters, and let us have big debates". It was a
>really big "democracy". And the result was violence.

I'm saddened by your above notion, according Deng Xiao Ping's own
admission, there were more than 20 million people been killed during the
CR, and 200 million were affected and suffered from it, you are telling
me all those victims participated and supported it?!

It seems that in your mind, those who suffered the CR are irrelevant, or
your method of accounting is so peculiar that you counted the victim as
participant!

Now we know where you are coming from...  :-|
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>You seem to have a lot of "anguish" yourself. I wonder if you or your
>relatives have been "anguished" by CCP or Mao.

I do feel anguish for those brave and patriotic students who were
unjustly killed by PLA's tanks and machine guns on the TAM.
I feel anguish for those true patriots such as "Wei Jinsun, Ren Wentin,
Chen Zeming Wang Juntao and many other" who had been jailed by the CCP,
I feel anguish for those families of the jailed desidents, for the
inhuman treatment forced upon them by CCP's PSB.
I feel anguish, for those families of the 6.4 victims, for those who
even cannot have the right to show their anguish for the loss of their
loved ones, instead, they can only hide their pain, muffle their
indignation, pretend that their loved ones had never existed, and
nothing had happened!!!

> Have you ever lived in mainland, say, for a month?

FYI, I grow up in China, and spent part of my youth on China's farmland,
I have tended Chinese water buffalo, know how to ride the gentle beast,
I even know how to "Cai3 Shui3 Che1" (use a leg-powered Chinese
irrigation device).  :-)

> Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to all netters.
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