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From: RONEAL@lexmark.com
Subject: TECH: What's a Schwinn Precis?
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:30:40 GMT

Hi.  Just want to see if anyone has any info on a Schwinn Precis.  I saw one
in a pawn shop last week that looked really quite nice.  The place was wanting
$90 for it... everything including the tires looked to be in good shape.  The
one thing the bike lacked was a little TLC.  It's outfitted with Dia Compe
brakes and Sugino derailleurs w/Sakae crank and bars.  Looked rather sharp
for the money.  What say ye?
 
 
Randy O'Neal  RONEAL@lexmark.com     Printer Attach Software Development
                                     Lexmark International, Inc.
-- Weinberg's Law --                 Lexington, Ky.
'If builders built buildings like
 programmers wrote programs, then                                     __o
 the first woodpecker that came      "The views above are not those  `\<,
 along would destroy civilization.'   of my employer... just mine."  O/ O
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: RI's Flattest Century Info Request
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:32:30 GMT

>From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
>Subject: RI's Flattest Century Info Request
>
>I have been inquiring around for information on the New England flattest
>centry ride.  Does any one know when this ride is this year (should be some
>time in September) and also have a contact number for me.  Thanks.

"The Flattest Century in the East" is on September 13, and starts at
Tiverton High School, in Tiverton RI. for more information, write to
the Narragansett Bay Wheelmen (i'll try to remember to post the address
tomorrow).

i think it costs $18 for NBW members and $21 for nonmembers, registration
is limited to 1500, and i hear it fills up early.
i also hear it isn't so flat! ;-)

Janice"i'm doing it!"G :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:29:39 GMT

ra_novy@dal.mobil.com writes:

>Here are the data that more than 50 cyclists sent me.  Given below are age
>(sorted), minimum rate, and maximum rate. It's well known that variation in
>rates from person to person is high, but the survey satisfied my curiosity. 
>Judging from the responses, I think it will satisfy others too.

>Thanks to all who took the time to send a reply.

...
>37     40     184
>37     50     195
>37     48     210
>38     47
>39     60     160
>40     52     200
>43     50     190
>43     53     180
>43     54     165
>47     68     152
>47     56     177
>51     57     170
>52     56     170
>52     54     170
>58     54     186

These numbers are very encouraging! Definitely doesn't follow the
220-(age in years) formula for max rate. Perhaps I don't have to
assume that my aerobic capacity will decline at about 1 bpm/year!

Jim Moore
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: Re: sunglasses
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:25:54 GMT

jjwong@athena.mit.edu (Jeffrey J Wong) writes:

>Has anybody examined the Bolle Sport Optical System?  Basically, it is 
>supposed to be a cycling style sunglasses made for prescription glasses 
>wearers.  There is a specially shaped "frame" where the optician puts in
>your prescription lenses; then, you put the mirror lens on top of it, making
>it seem like normal cycling sunglasses.

>I saw an ad in Bike Nashbar selling the glasses for ~$95.  However, my father
>said that one optician he spoke to says that he has TWO models in stock, and 
>that one of them is $69.  So.....are there more than one Bolle Sports Optical

Jeff and others,

I'm going to buy the Bolle Sport Optical System, but not from Bike Nashbar.
I just got a catalog from The Colorado Cyclist and they want $59 for the
sunglasses (Edge II and Edge) and $10 for the perscription insert.

It's a nice catalog and the address/number is:

The Colorado Cyclist
2455 Executive Circle
Colorado Springs, CO. 80906
1-800-688-8600 (orders)
1-719-576-3474 (info)

Joe
jsweeney@encore.com
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:28:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

Another datapoint for the net.  I rode clips and straps for many years, 
usually with non-cycling shoes, but I did have a pair of Avocets some years
ago.  Late last year, I bought the M100 SPD-compatible shoes, and rode them
in straps for a while.  I liked them very much (I hate laces) and decided
to drop the rest of the money on the pedals  PD-M737 on the MTB I use for
commuting and PD-A525 on the road bike. I have not ridden Look or Time,
nor did I ever cinch the straps tight on clips.  I have not had a fall
attributable to the SPD's either.  Not everybody does.  I'm not crazy about
what Shimano's domination may do to the industry, but I believe they are
certainly capable of great ideas like anyone else.  I feel SPD is one of these.

	Bob
From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:24:50 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:

>From article <1992Aug14.102108.8273@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, by ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk:
>> I heard a story about a guy in a road race being handed a water bottle full of
>> lead (Pb) at the start of a long descent. Around 8kg (17.6 lbs) extra!
>> 
>I think this was in a TdF of many a year ago (was it Coppi?)  He was given a
>leadfilled bottle by a "spectator", pretended to drink out of it, and pitched
>it at the bottom of the descent, to another "spectator."

>Wish I could remember details...

>Dave

>> One way to get your speed up, I suppose!

er, didnt a geezer called Galileo use the leaning tower of Pisa to
demonstrate that heavy objects fall at the same speed as light ones?
(he dropped a cannon ball and a bullet off the top, and they landed
together. 

While the accelaration, and speed should be similar, the momentum will
differ of course,[ momemtum = mass * velocity ]
but this will not affect the speed directly, apart
from providing kinetic energy to overcome losses due to friction).
From: kenh@cabezon.uucp (Ken Howe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cycle Oregon (so who will be there?)
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:51:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Aug18.225115.19714
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Aug18.160346.17192@cabezon.uucp> markco@cabezon.uucp (Mark Collins) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.215149.13811@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cd674@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Susan J. Christie) writes:
>>
>>Here's another Cycle Oregon Rider!  My husband and I are
...
>>Susan C.
>
>There are 3 of us from Logic Modeling in Beaverton, OR
>riding this year. Last year I rode and (I think) was one
...
>pretty easily, I'll be the one with a 6-iron strapped to 
>my top tube (Red Specialized Sirrus road bike with clip-on 
>aero bars, #221). 
>
>There are golf courses in every community except Chemult 
>and Prospect!! Heaven on wheels.

Don't get this guy wrong, we don't all live for golf around here -
some of live for cycling!

I'll be riding w/Mark (white/blue fade Team Allez w/Scott DH bars
an NO 6-iron.)

Have bike will travel.

-- 
Ken Howe                                    uunet!sequent!lauto!kenh
Logic Modeling Corporation                  kenh@lmc.com
SmartModel Library Division 
19500 NW Gibbs Drive
From: david@wmms.UUCP (David R. Mayne)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB racing in Olympic Games
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of Absurdity

In article <1992Aug11.190522.13934@sol.UVic.CA> jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa) writes:
>Given that new sports are added to the Olympic
>games based partially on the percentage of
>people who participate in them, I was wondering
>if it is just a matter of time before MTB racing
>is added as an Olympic sport?
>
>My own feeling is that MTB racing is not as
>'classy' or 'refined' as other Olympic sports
>in the minds of the Olympic committees to merit
>consideration as an official Olympic sport.
>
>However, given the growing popularity of MTB
>racing in Europe and elsewhere, perhaps it's
>image will be 'elevated' to the point where
>it will be considered in at least a 'demonstration'
>class status in the Olympic games.
>
>Comments?

Although not quite as popular as MTB racing in the US, observed trials
would be a great addition to the Olympics, as it would be
exciting for the spectators as well as for the participants.

Trials have been popular in Europe for quite some time, if
this adds any "class" to the event.

Watching a trials rider hop over logs and negotiating large
boulders would be quite an event.

NBC may prefer a regular circuit race so they would have plenty
of time as the riders make their laps to break the action for
their usual fluff.

-- 
David R. Mayne         1372 Normandy Dr. NE             Atlanta, GA 30306
david@wmms.UUCP        (404) 876-0943        ...!gatech!bagend!wmms!david
From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tandems - help from experienced riders please?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:52:45 GMT
	<kelvin.714112029@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu>
	<Bt6K9x.IEK@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk>
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <Bt6K9x.IEK@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis) writes:

   (...)

   on your precious and expensive cycling shoes.  Just install the
   stoker, mount the tandem, maintain the balance while they engage
   their pedals and then instruct them press the turbo-boost button as
   you both get under way.

I would do it slightly differently. Captain gets on first and STAND
over the seat tube and steady the bike. Stoker than mounts and clip
in (or whatever). Captain clip in with one leg and push off with
other. Stoker and captain start pedaling a couple of revolutions to
get momentum up then captain clips in his/her other foot.

In my limited experience, this is the best way to do it so the stoker
don't have to worry about a) supporting the bike b) get kicked in the
rib/face and the captain can still mount normally.

--

Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Why shave?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:42:54 GMT

At long last a plausable reason.
  It makes it a lot easier to put on sun lotion.
But mainly it makes the legs look great, although I don't know how to avoid
a lot of ingrown hairs (I can't look like a fuzzy mutant and stop at the
shorts could I).
  - Eric 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern)
Subject: Re: A different twist on the taxes issue
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:56:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.132038.1997@cs.rochester.edu> scott@cs.rochester.edu  
(Michael Scott) writes:
> There's an active thread going now on the question of whether it would
> be good public policy to raise taxes on automobiles dramatically.
> 
> I've run into the flip side of the question several times recently.
> People argue that bicycles should get off the roads because they don't
> pay the gas and registration taxes that support the roads.
I find this argument bogus on two accounts:

1) If we believe the arguments here, road costs are subsidized by taxes. I  
pay taxes and expect to get something back for them. As a bicyclist, I  
expect to be able to ride my bike on the road.

2)  I use my car less because I ride my bike. Therefore a portion of the  
money I pay for the car covers my bicycle road usage. Since the bicycle is  
much cheaper, this money goes farther. Certainly not all bicyclists own  
cars, but I expect most do in California. Car owners that bicycle instead of  
driving are actually bearing a greater portion of the road cost because they  
pay the same amount for the car but use a less costly (in terms or road and  
environmental damage) means of transportation.

Note that I don't argue against cars, I'm just pointing out that most  
bicyclists pay for their road usage. (At least as much as car drivers pay  
for theirs...)
--
Zalman Stern		   zalman@adobe.com		    (415) 962 3824
Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
  "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson
From: henk@fudd.frcs.alt.za (Henk Coetzee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:23:58 GMT
Organization: FRCS mail/news uucp point


In article <1652@grivel.une.edu.au>, drobinso@mendel.une.oz.au (    ,,,)
wrote:
>
> I partly agree.  But if a cyclist, helmeted or not, is injured through no
> fault of his own, by a car driver slamming into him, that motorist, or his
> insurance should be responsible for ALL these costs.  Think of the
> implications of the alternative.

Sure, but I would think that the issue which concerns us here is
the effects of an accident, not the legal responsibility. I'm quite
attached to my head and all the bits and pieces inside it. My primary 
worry is about damaging some of these components, so I wear a helmet.
Financial responsibility for the repairs to me and the bike come
next.

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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:09:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug18.202203.7757@mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:
>
>Please don't count me an apologist for the present tax structure,
>but if your opposition is flatout to any increases in any tax,
>then just say so, and don't confuse the issue with other arguments.
>We are going to have taxes, and they will not be *-neutral, so I
>feel fine arguing for a higher gas tax, and a lower tax burden.

I don't understand this statement Ed. It sounds like you are 
saying one thing and then the other. Taxes will increase, not
decrease. That is the proven rule. Any exceptions are temporary
(isn't it interesting that Reagan's 'tax relief' bill is quoted
as being both a tax cut for the rich and the biggest tax increase
in history? I guess people always want it both ways.)

So it appears that you are saying that you don't care if taxes increase.
>
>Yes, I vaguely remember the IRA, used to contribute to one.  What was
>the weird effect, though?

The weird effect was that the Democrats decided that the only people
that were getting any advantage from this tax relief were the rich!
So you and I were classified as rich. This will give you a very good
idea of what the tax structure is headed for.

I think that if we don't oppose _all_ taxation we are asking for
increased taxation. There simply is no use trying for _intelligent_
taxation because the government cannot understand the concept.
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Shift levers
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:16:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug18.170532.12295@cascade.Stanford.EDU> polly@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Polly Siegel) writes:
>In article <-+8mfvk.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>>In article <5754@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:
>>>Has anyone done a comparison of the various shift lever systems recently?
>>[... stuff about STI deleted ...]
>>
>
>Many racers also use barcons.  A nice setup is to use a barcon for the rear
>derailleur and a normal downtube shifter for the front.  The barcons are easy
>to shift while sprinting and in the drops.  This is an especially nice setup
>for racing criteriums.  You also have the advantage over

I guy on my team uses a bar end shifter for the rear.  A few other guys
I train with also have this setup.  It would certainly make sense 
in Illinois where 90% of races are criteriums.  Does anyone else here
use them?  I've been thinking about getting them.  
Also, what's the likelyhood that I could get just the shifter for the rear?
Probably that same likelyhood that I could get just the rear STI level.

John
From: bradloff@tms390.micro.ti.com (Brian Radloff)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Objects thrown at cyclists (and hugh@nezsdc)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:26:48 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston

kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu writes:

>>Subject: Objects thrown at cyclists (was Re: Redneck alert...)

>>In article <1AUG199220045136@juliet.caltech.edu> georgek@juliet.caltech.edu 
>>(Komatsoulis, George A.) writes:
>>>Some yo-yo's hit me with an iceball thrown from a pickup truck as I was riding
>>>home from the lab one night last year (an odd sort of missile for LA I must
>>>say). This sort does seem to be native to the whole country, perhaps the whole
>>>world.
>>
>>No, just your country.
>>
>>-- 
>>Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
>>hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Really, Hugh! I can't believe this type of thing doesn't happen in your
>country, too. However, we can at least be sure objects thrown at cyclists
>in New Zealand will not be armed with or powered by nukes. ;^)


I can believe it.  Recently, I spent 2 months cycling in Japan.  People
there were the most courteous people toward cyclists.  All cars gave me plenty
of room, and no one yelled at me or threw anything at me.  It's a shame that
cyclists in the U.S. have to put up with continual harassment.  I'm sure
there are probably many countries like Japan and New Zealand where cyclists
don't need to be concerned with things being thrown at them.  By the way,
can you think of any reason why a sane grown person would throw things at
anyone?  Doesn't make any sense to me.  By the way, last year I was hit in
the chest with a full beer can thrown from a truck.  It was extremely
painful and it broke two of my ribs.


--Brian Radloff
  bradloff@micro.ti.com
From: javiers@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Javier Sanchez)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:49:04 GMT
Subject: Kostrini 4 Sale
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
From: J105270@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: FOR SALE: Saturne Tubular rims (Italy)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:33:01 GMT

Two still available. Never Ridden. No freewheel, tires. Made 8 years ago.
Came with Specialized Bicycle. I do not ride tubulars. These would be good
for training? Rather know someone is using them than seeing them collect
dust in my garage...hint, hint...

Marty (408) 742-2014
J105270@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: MTB racing in Olympic Games
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:43:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.190522.13934@sol.UVic.CA>, jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John
Panusa) wrote:
>
> My own feeling is that MTB racing is not as
> 'classy' or 'refined' as other Olympic sports
> in the minds of the Olympic committees to merit
> consideration as an official Olympic sport.

Throwing a shot put is classy?

This got me to ruminating on some of the "sports" that ARE in the
Olympic Games. Like synchronized swimming, for examaple. Maybe I've
got the wrong attitude, but I am against having any "sport" in the
Olympics where a contestent can earn points for "smiling at the judges".
When I hear of "althletes" "winning the hearts of the judges" I want to
barf!

  --scott
  --(who is not really such a sour-puss, but sounds like one in this
posting)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: light/battery comparisons?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:09:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

For my mountain bike lights I mount a battery box on the front
water bottle mount and place in it a gelcell motorcycle battery.

I have a clever mount that bolts to the handlebars and holds
two 20 watt high intensity built-in-reflector lights. These
are housed in a couple of cut off pieces of PVC pipe. 

One of the lights is a flood and the other is a spot.

I have them wired through a three position switch. Off-spot-both.

I have riden for over three hours without the light getting significantly
dimmer. The whole setup weighs about 5 lb.s.

The weight watchers freak out but then they ride with me at my
speed so that they can see whats ahead.

I notice the weight on the climbs but in the winter I'm happy
to get in any riding I can. And it's really bikey romatic to
be riding down a valley on a dark evening with the owls hooting
and the frozen ground crunching under your wheels and a couple
of buddies that like the same thing.

And, oh yeh, you _can't over-ride these lights! When the turns get 
tight and fast you kick on BOTH and the flood gives you enough
side lighting to allow you to go as fast as you can in
daylight.
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Accident on a Bike/Ped P
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:13:06 -0500

 On 08-12-92 Bob Geer wrote ... 
 
 BG> From my own experience, looking back to the left causes a swerve to 
 BG> the left, looking back to the right causes a swerve to the right.  I 
 BG> thought I had a real unique problem 'til I watched a lot of other 
 BG> riders do exactly the same thing, some worse than others.  Maybe pack 
 BG> riders learn not to do this, but relatively few cyclists ever ride in 
 BG> a pack & pack riders don't seem to be interested in teaching their 
 BG> skills to pack-riding neophytes.  (Remember the tri-geek thread?). 
 
 I guess that's what makes my bike club, Northwest Cycling Club, stand out. 
 The club sponsors a race team as well as having recreational riders. 
 There may even be a club like ours in your area. The recreational riders 
 benefit from being able to ask the racers questions. They also get the 
 opportunity to go on training rides with the racers. Sure you get dropped, 
 but while you can hang on, you learn a lot! 
 
 Now, about how to look back.... If you want to look back to the left, 
 move your _right_ hand to the _center_ of the handle bars and remove your 
 left hand from the bars. Then turn your head.  To look back to the right, 
 move your left hand to the center of the handle bars and remove your 
 right hand from the bars. You can't hold the bars with both hands and 
 turn your body without also turning the bike. At least I've never been 
 able to do it. :-) 
 
 BG> I'm beginning to believe that bike (or non-motor vehicle) paths give 
 BG> cyclists of all skill levels a false sense of safety & security. 
 
 I totally agree with you on that point. The majority of bike crashes 
 occur in parks, bike paths or driveways, and not on highways. 
 
 BG> Unskilled riders don't think they have to watch out & ride a decent 
 BG> line, skilled riders have unwarranted expectations about the 
 BG> consistency of all other path users. 
 
 Don't forget dog walkers who know they own the whole path! 
 
 
 
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