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From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hazard lights on emergenc
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:33:04 -0800

ab> Rick.  As a local fireman/mrt in your area I think the need
ab> for lights sirens and Air horns are more than nessary.  As
ab> for private cars responding to an alarm my department as
ab> strick rules for responding.

I was going down Kennedy Drive here in Putnam a few days ago...there was
an ambulance coming at me.  I pulled over to the side of the road to
give him room...this moron behind started to pass me, but he didn't.  He
finally pulled along side the road, too.

Man, these people really irritate me!

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From: David.Youssef@f404.n632.z3.fidonet.org (David Youssef)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Victorian Changes
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:33:20 -0800

Hi steve, nice to hear from you again. Firstly we do recieve the 17.5%
loading in a roundabout sort of way and we dont know if we will have our
pay reduced at all at this stage.  There are other changes that are
likely to have a much greater effect in the long run, being Workcare
changes (could lead to footpath firefighting), Increased hours to 56hrs 

per week (24 hr shifts ?) and major reductions in manning. These areas
that I have mentioned may not be effected in the end, but only time will

tell. NOTE THIS IS ONLY MY ENTERPRETATION OF WHAT MAY HAPPEN.
The tracing of 000 calls is already underway. This is mainly done by the
Telecom operator, though we will soon have the ability to do it
ourselves,New tecnology introduced by telecom when they computerised the
exchanges does mean that Caller Line Identifaction CLI as it is called
will soon be routine. The hardware has been installed in our Comm Centre
but I am unsure if its up and running yet. Recently I have requested CLI
information on returning from a Malicious False Alarm and the
information WAS made available to me. No doubt the prosecutions will
start soon!
there are a number of other interesting things happening down here and
when I've got some time I will send you a longer note. Regards David.

 * Origin: WICEN Victoria Telephone BBS. (3:632/404)
From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: PROFESSIONAL LECTURERS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:56:00 -0800

  ||about his experiences.  Our attendance is expected to close at
approx. 400,
  ||and will be April 17, 18 1992.
                             ^^^^

I hope you meant 1993!


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 * Origin: Deredain's Realm BBS - Home of NJ EMT & Paramdedic Assoc.
From: Steve.Sharp@f207.n714.z3.fidonet.org (Steve Sharp)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Hazard Lights on Emergency Vehicles
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:58:55 -0800

to: jck@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Justin Kibell)
 > On the money side, the Victoria State 
 > Emergency Service is volunteer based
 > and has approx 150 units over all of Victoria. 
 > 100 of the 127 accredited
 > Motor vehicle accident rescue units in the 
 > state, 100 are SES. We also do
 > storm, flood, and general rescue - not fires, 
 > CFA do that. The SES have a 
 > annual budget of $1.5 Million AUS. As many of 
 > you are aware, a rescue unit
 > costs a lot to run with all the equipment. We 
 > just cannot afford fancy lights
 > for the vehicles. Some units still have not 
 > got a state issued vehicle and
 > use someones in the Unit on loan! When you 
 > compare the CFA (fire brigade) 
 > Rural approx $128 Mil and MFB (Metro) $670 
 > million - we don't get a chance.
 > Anyway - enough of my bleeding heart stories.

Justin, you'll probably get you heckles up over this question, but here
 
goes anyways;

Given that the CFA get AUD$128m and the Melbourne FB get $670m and the
SES 
get a total of AUD$1.5m, would it no my better finanical sense to let
the  
Fire Services provide the rescue service (which they could probably do  
with a small once off injection of capital to finance equipment),  
obviously they have their vehicles in situ and call out procedures
already  
in place. This would free the SES to direct capital towards vehicle  
purchases, additional storm and tempest equipment such as flood boats,  
roofing tarps, chainsaws etc?

Regards, Steve. 

 * Origin: Aussie Firefighters Work Better In Heat! SYDNEY AUSTRALIA
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From: Wes.Williams@f193.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Wes Williams)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: E911 implementation
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:31:35 GMT


 >    We are in the process of implementating E911 also! It's
 >    primarilary being handled through the county Sherrif's
 >    Dept. Our City is about 70,000 night time population,
 >    not sure about the entire county. I might pick up some part
 >    time work involving the 911 project.
 >    They are already talking cutting corners, makes
 >    me sick! Hope your's is going better <G>!!!
 
Ummmmm, wish it were.
 
The municipal alarm system is still the 1800's Gamewell stuff. Not 
that Gamewell did it wrong, it's the ancient underground wires that 
are failing.
 
Turf hassles are surfacing about the 911 stuff, Police say they should 
be in charge, Fire says, oughta be some combination control, EMS is 
a private contractor and goes with the flow.
 
Space is at a premium, 911 will require 4 to 5 call takers and about 
a min of 1000 sq feet of space. Only open spaces in city property 
need rehab and a half a mil in chase money for sprinklers, security 
etc. How's come whenever the location comes to the discussion, all 
the big wigs want to put it in a place that either floods at the drop 
of a storm or is about 8 square feet in area?
 
Gees!
 
\/\/


 * Origin: NPI III (617) 592-5772 Lynn, MA 01904 (1:101/193.0)
From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: scanner database door
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:23:04 -0800

kg> thank for the information about it. i will send him a
kg> message about it in the
kg> ham radio echo. The raeason i was looking for it was that my
kg> co-sysop is envolved with a volunteer fire/civil defense
kg> unit. Plus he has a friend that is into ham radio that is
kg> also envolved with that same unit.

Hope the door works out fer ya, Kenneth!  I have never used the
door...don't have too much of a need for it here in the sticks of N.E.
Ct.!

Talk to ya later!

 * Origin: Coming To You From Connecticuts Quiet Corner! (1:327/2112)
From: Donald.Poole@f800.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Donald Poole)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Volunteer vs. paid
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 15:07:00 -0800

 > -=> Quoting Doug Plaza to Cliff Tomplait <=-
 >
 > CT>My opinion is that the volunteer is a lot more concerned about
patient
 > CT>care on a run-to-run basis than the "paid" EMS provider.  (NOTE: 
this
 > CT>is personal opinion and observation and not intended to be a
blanket
 > CT>statement.)
 > DP> I find this statement highly offensive.  I have been involved in
EMS
 >Amen.  Evidently the author is not aware of other sections of the
country,
 >If he is having such a problem where he is, That does not mean it is
 >widespread.  I have not seen such a problem before, where a paid
provider
 >is less concerned about patient care than a volunteer.  Of course,
 >my experience is only in CT, TN, TX, NY, etc........


I also find this statement highly offensive, being a paid firefighter
and a 
good union member (Local 1619) I think its high time the volunteers get
off 
there high hourse, and start to look around, wake up, it's the 90's...

No matter what side of the fence you are on, there are going to be some
bad 
apples, but for the most part you get great care, weather you get a pay

check for it or not. There are someother aspects I can get into with the

topic of paid vs. volunteer, but that is my own opion, and won't bother
the 
rest of us firefighters/emt's with it. Lets just drop the subject,
becouse 
it may start to get out of had, the topic alone, volunteer vs. paid,
just 
turns my guts!

Donald Poole

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From: Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: DIAL UP HAZ MAT INFORMATION
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:23:00 GMT

BG> Does anyone know of a dial-up service for Haz-mat information (such
as a
BG> dial-up for Chemtrec) or other information services that can be
actually
BG> used in an emergency.
BG> That way my fire department can use the computer for more than the
fire
BG> marshal's assinine records and the commissioners playing golf
 
No offense, but the FM's 'assinine records' are more likely to save
lives than any on-line hazmat foolishness for emergencies...  Unless
your department is fully trained in hazmat work (First Responder
Operational level *minimum*), you won't need any such service anyway.

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From: James.Campbell@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (James Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: NJ Firefighters BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:30:00 -0800

JH> ALL NJ Firefighters, try NJ Firefighters BBS,
 JH> toll free NJ
 JH> 1-800-445-FIRE   (1-800-445-3473)
 
      Is there another number for Out of State fire fighters?
 
 ---
    SMRead 3.0  #?    
 
 * Origin: HACKER'S BBS - NEW CASTLE, DE. (1:150/145.0)
From: Paul.Vallone@f233.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Fire.Gifs/File List..
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:38:00 -0800

Hi Wes:
Do you have any FIRE.GIFS on your board at all? Since I have them up
for request through the mailer, and on the board. They have become very
popular with the Fire/EMS/EMT related folks all around the U.S. .
People call me from everywhere for these's GIFS files, could you
send up a copy of your latest file list on your board Wes?

Thanks..

Paul...  
 
 * Origin: Whistle Stop BBS {Berkshire County Fire Board} (1:321/233.0)
From: David.Mastrianni@f120.n324.z1.fidonet.org (David Mastrianni)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Code 99
Date: 14 Nov 92 13:51:36 GMT

->         A question for all you rescue people out there from someone
w
-> lives in a volunteer fire/rescue community in Maine...what does it
-> specifically mean when someone (dispatcher, EMT, etc) says it's a
"co
-> 99"? I have a scanner at my home so I can hear all the excitement in
-> town when an alarm goes off or there's an accident, and the other
nig
-> there was a "CODE 99" broadcast and two days later the patient's
-> obituary was in the local paper.
->                                                         -Darryl
Here in Mass, it means Cardiac Arrest.


 * Origin: The Trauma Room! BBS Hamilton, MA 508-468-4596 (1:324/120)
From: Jeff.Gelpi@f120.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Gelpi)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Camera's use on runs.
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:26:00 GMT

Hi,
     A little background before I begin. I am the Safety officer for
American Ambulance in Columbus. I pass on copies of a lot of these
messages to our Vice President Steve Blackburn. Who would like for me to
pass on the following to you. Steve has been doing a lot of work on run
report documentation including the use of cameras. He has quit a lot of
information including SOP's, and one of those really orange Polaroid
cameras. If you would like to get together with him and let me know and
I will have him give you a call. He is up in Youngstown several times a
month.
     Also if you are interested the central Ohio Emergency Medical
Services Institute will be conducting a seminar on "Documentation &
Quality assurance Tools for EMS Survival in the 90's" November 18, 1992 
0900-1600call (614)766-6466 for more information.


                                   Jeff Gelpi



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From: Daniel.Sherwin@f15.n271.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Sherwin)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hello
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:38:00 -0800

Hello all.  Just a quick note to say there is a new user aboard.  Talk
to ya later.
 
                                       Daniel

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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:10:34 PST
From:         "oh well, whatever, nevermind......." <JWALTON@INTEL9.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      RE: Hazard lights on emergenc

After reading all of the responses, I feel the need to offer a counterpoint to
your many 'close calls' with those who do not yield.  After spending several
years in Law enforcement, it always amazed me how many people failed to yeild
to patrol cars.  Is I personally became irritated by this I started tailing
ambulances and fire/rescue vehicle in hopes of actually catching someone.  Well
to make a long story short, it was like fishing in a well stocked swimming
pool.  Almost all of the responses were "I did see it".  Well several tickets
later, I one day realized that I too was the idiot that didn't see a rescue
vehicle trying to get around me on day offduty.  Most people don't see you
coming from behind anyway, but for vehicles that are tall, you may never see
the lightbar and never hear the siren due to noise inside the vehicle (radio,
ect...).  I now run a business installing emergency equipment, and I always
advise agencies to put warning lights at eye level (along with alternating
headlights/lightbars).  This really helps and can be done rather easily.

Food for thought...


Jeff Walton
Intel.com
From: Chris.Chandler@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Chandler)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Code 99
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:11:00 -0800

DS>        A question for all you rescue people out there from someone
who
DS>lives in a volunteer fire/rescue community in Maine...what does it
DS>specifically mean when someone (dispatcher, EMT, etc) says it's a
"code
DS>99"? I have a scanner at my home so I can hear all the excitement in
my
DS>town when an alarm goes off or there's an accident, and the other
night
DS>there was a "CODE 99" broadcast and two days later the patient's
DS>obituary was in the local paper.

It depends because different areas sometimes use different codes, but
if
it is like our system here in Florida a code 99 is a cardiac arrest
(which is consistant with the obituary).

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 * Origin: The Computer Forum Va Beach, VA (804) 471-0736 (1:275/17)
From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Hazard lights on emer
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:00:59 -0800

 -=> Quoting Ed Shanks to All <=-

 ES> From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)


 ES> Justin Kibell of Australia asked about the large amount of lights
 ES> Never a word about them screwing up and not seeing a 50 foot long,
 ES> red (or whatever color) truck with all sorts of lights, sirens,
 ES> bells and whistles. So we keep adding more stuff to the rig, so
 ES> that in case you don't see 10 flashing lights, you MAY see 12!
My worry has always been that we are getting so much equpment on the
rigs,
that we may be confusing the drivers of POV's.  Much like using the
Phaser
mode on a siren, it appears to most people in this area that it confuses
more 
than helps.
IMHO of course.

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From: Regina.Detwiler@p2.f190.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Regina Detwiler)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: volunteers
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:09:21 -0800

JL>  Which company is your husband with?
JL> 
JL> 
JL> ... Hey Rocky!  Watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat!  OOPS!  Wrong
Hat!
JL> --- Renegade v8-27 Beta
JL>  * Origin: The Second Foundation - McKees Rocks PA (1:129/163)


He is with Bullskin Township VFD in Connellsville.  He has been there
about
two years now.  Hey, I see your in Mckees Rocks - are you familiar with
the
Kephart Family? (Bud, Alice Mae, Todd and I know they have a daughter
also)
Just wandering. Have a good one!

GINA DETWILER

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From: kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: ALS paper, take two
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:30:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

A couple of weeks ago, I made a post requesting sources on cost
data for ALS procedures for a sociology paper.  While I have
quite a bit of usable data, I still need something I can't seem
to find.  Does anyone out there in netland know where I could
find the numbers on the failure rate of the aircraft used for
'lifeflight' work?  Thanks.

Ken

Kenneth R. Aron                 NYS EMT-Defibrillation            | |  / /
kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu      Columbia Area Volunteer Ambulance | |/ / 
                                Columbia University, NYC          | |\ \
"EMTs do it with patience"                                        | |  \ \
From: Wayne.Ashworth@f308.n379.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Ashworth)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Cpr Standards
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:31:01 -0800

Am looking for a copy of the new AHA standards on CPR in ASCII
for our BBS.  If anyone has one or knows of a source for same, I
would appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks.

Wayne Ashworth


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From: Lazlo.Toth@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Lazlo Toth)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: scanner database door
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:31:00 -0800

  Quoting a message from BLAKE BOWERS to KENNETH GRIMARD

BB  -=> Quoting Rick Wilson to Kenneth Grimard <=-
    kg> Does any one know where i can find a scanner database door
    kg> for an ibm bbs. I am currently running fd/remote access.

   The BEST door program I have found, would be the ScannerBuff!
program,

 A new scanner database door is out called McListen...  Selectable
 databases, search by Agency, State, Freq, or Type, downloadable
 searches....
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 * Origin: The Computer Forum Va Beach, VA (804) 471-0736 (1:275/17)
From: Paul.Vallone@f233.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Gif's of Fire Stations an
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 09:08:00 -0800

EM> PV>I have a nice collection of FIRE.GIFs . Just request the
Whistle.arj
EM> and
EM> PV>the file list will tell you everything I have for FIRE.GIFs.
EM> PV>Feel free to request all you want..
EM>
EM> PV>Paul Vallone.
EM> PV>1:321/233 Whistle Stop (448-6292)
EM>
EM> Paul, could I talk you into giving your BBS's full phone number. 
I'd
EM> like to drop in and look, even if I had to help buy shoes for your
EM> kids in order to download your fire gifs.  I have a vague idea of
the
EM> FREQ system, but my local sysop is among the economically
disadvantaged
EM> and I'd hate to make his phone bills any worse.
EM>
EM> Thanks.
EM>
EM> Ed
Hi Ed:
Sure that would be no problem at all here's the full phone number for
yah.
1-(413)448-6292

Later

Paul..  
 
 * Origin: Whistle Stop BBS {Berkshire County Fire Board} (1:321/233.0)
From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: KED's leg straps
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:46:00 -0800

BM|| BW> It's what you call use the straps. If the boys in the big city
want to
  || BW> take short cuts and put patient care second so they get the job
done
  || BW> faster, let them. The same thing happens here. The guys who
work in
  || BW> the city try to push their ways on us and it just doesn't fly.
The
  || BW> company who made the KED put the straps there for a very good
reason,
  || BW> so use them. Patient care is the reason we do what we do. Not
to
  || BW> collect a paycheck!

Sir,

You should really consider getting some facts before spouting such
tripe!

The "boys in the big city" to whom you are referring are following
local
protocols. Said Protocols were adopted and implemented by both our
Medical Director and MAC Committee.

They were adopted for a very specific reason: the use of the
leg straps was found NON-beneficial and possibly deleterious to the
patient. When applied to a patient in the sitting position it becomes
almost impossible to the lie the patient supine on a long board with
out
then having to readjust the straps and move the legs, both of which can
and do cause movement to the lower spine. Also of note should be the
fact that a KED was designed to provide CERVICAL spine protection NOT
full spinal immobilization. The C-Spine IS adequately protected w/o the
use of leg straps.

In short, it would seem that you believe that anyone who does not agree
with YOUR methods of doing things is lazy or looking for a short cut.
This does not bode well for someone who is in a business were change in
procedures and knowledge is the norm..


KMA

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From: Joseph.Zalkin@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Joseph Zalkin)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Ambo uniforms & protocols
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:16:00 -0800

WA> All of ours are and I would be glad to
WA>post you a copy although it may take until Christmas to arrive.

        I would be interested <G>. In that our agency is long overdue
        for a revision of our policy and procedure manual.

        I think it would be great of we coule catalog some
        representative P/P manuals from all areas.

OPEN PLEA: Send us your electronic Policy and Procedure manual. There
is
no better means of using our BBS's; as clearinghouses for such vital
documents. (Wayne if your game to handle the FIDO's; I'll be happy to
route the QWKS and sMail)

WA>You might let me know what format you can handle.  Our
WA>procedures are done in WordPerfect 5.1, but I can translate it
WA>into generic ASCII if that is preferable.  Also, what type media
WA>would be best for you.

        Original file format pref. compressed (zip/arj) with a text
file
        indicating the format and content/contact person.

WA> The North Carolina EMS BBS Salisbury NC (704) 637-6906 (1:379/308

        Let me know what you think.

Joseph Zalkin, EMT-P
Sysop Wake EMS BBS (919) 856-6023
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 * Origin: The Computer Forum Va Beach, VA (804) 471-0736 (1:275/17)
From: Paul.Vallone@f220.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Patches++
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:25:10 -0800

George:
 GV> Paul,
 GV>         What is the number of your board (xxx-yyy-
 GV> zzzz).  Where would that file be located?  Thanks 
 GV> again.


 GV>               George

 GV> PS: What is a good FidoNet to write to YOU.  I have 
 GV> to start using private nodes when on these subjects 
If you call the board you can find it in the TextFiles area...
 
Later.....
Paul.......

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