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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: help me!
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:47:38 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>>Niacin (also called Niacinamide, or vitamin b- ... 12 I think) will
>>help counteract the psychological effects of LSD. Start with a 4gram dose,
>>and wait a day or so to see if it helps; don't overdo it.
>>-- 
>>"Faahk Ohhf Yoo Buhm, I Keehl Youu!!" - Lupo The Butcher
>>glazier@isr.harvard.edu    internet  | Convictions cause
>>glazier@harvunxw           bitnet    | Convicts.
>
>nonono...niacin and niacinamide arent the same exactly. taking lots of niacin
>will give you a niacin flush, characterized by a warm prickly feeling all over
>your skin.  Niacinamide won't do this.  It's the niacin flush that is supposed
>to abort a trip, but whether thisis actually true, beyond the psychosomatic 
>level, is rather questionable.
>
>Chuck Falzone
>cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
 It doesn't *abort* the trip, I didn't say it did. It does calm down
someone who is in a drug-induced panic, tho I can't prove this beyond 
personal experience. My reference for this information is Robert Anton
Wilson in 'Sex and Drugs', and a book by Abbie Hoffman that I can't recall
the title of at the moment. 

As for them being similar, I've personally seen them both have the same 
quieting effect. I don't know if their chemically similar, that is. two
names for the same compound.

/:^}//

A


-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
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From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: sad sad very sad
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:35:41 GMT

mcsdc1rs@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 
> no drugs should be used for enjoyment
> if you take drugs there must be something missing in your life

This is absolute hogwash.

This is equivalent to:

	No amusement park rides should be used for enjoyment.
	If you visit amusement parks there must be something missing in your
	life.

Or:

	Television should not be used for enjoyment.
	If you watch TV there must be something missing in your life.

Or:

	No activity should be used for enjoyment.
	If you must seek enjoyment there must be something missing in your
	life.


-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Never try to outstubborn a cat.
		-- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love"
From: ee0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Elliott Conan Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] nitrous oxide
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:44:52 GMT
	<1992Nov13.140712.130@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
> Recycling does work, to a degree.  The best way to do it (IMHO) is to hold
> it in for as long as you can, exhale in to the balloon, hyperventilate for 
> ten seconds or so, and re-inhale what's in the balloon (a mixture of N2O and
> CO2).

In *my* humble opinion, the *best* way to do this is to exhale
into another person instead of a balloon. This has obvious adantages
and dangers, but at the very least is a good icebreaker.

If you're worried or self-conscious about mouth-to-mouth contact,
a tube of some sort makes a good transport buffer.

------
Eeyore
"Even now, this text is affecting you in ways that may not be
 apparent for days, weeks, or even years." -Illuminatus Trilogy
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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: LSD Murder
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:39:14 GMT

magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad) writes:
>I suppose the woman would also be pretty rich if she could afford to
>buy 1,400 _milli_grams of LSD just to kill a guy.

About $10,000+   And thats not guaranteed  --  I've got a reference to
eight people snorting 80-90% pure LSD tartrate and all surviving.  Thats
probably roughly on the same order of dosage. 

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: LSD manufacture
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:37:59 GMT

In article <jah.721832467@mits> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:
>
>>Hmm, can't think of any more... is Usenet "organic"?
>
>   The most important stuff on Usenet happens on Si+Au chips, copper wire
>and optical cables, none of which are organic. No, I don't think Usenet
>falls to that category. 

Actually, the most important stuff on Usenet happens in organic processing
units contained within the small, bulbous upper portions of the anatomies
of a curious species referred to as homo sapiens sapiens -- so I would argue
that Usenet is indeed organic.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Speak roughly to your little VAX,
and boot it when it crashes;
It knows that one cannot relax
Because the paging thrashes!

		Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

I speak severely to my VAX,
and boot it when it crashes;
In spite of all my favorite hacks
My jobs it always thrashes!

		Wow!  Wow!  Wow!
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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE ACID MOVIE!!
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom, Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:40:14 GMT

In article <ringo.722215674@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
> ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:
> 
>>  Koyaaniqatsi?  Blue Velvet? 
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> Wholly shit. I saw that with Philip Glass live in Burlington. Nothing but
> NOTHING has fucked my head more than that flick. I didn't know whether to
> laugh or to cry when it was over. So I did both. I have never seen it
> tripping, but I think that that, Koyannisqatsi, and its sister movie
> Powaqqatsi would be WAY heavy. In other words, give it a go!
>
I disagree.  First, I think you'd have to be neurotic to watch Blue Velvet, so
we seem to have exact opposite opinions.  One evening last Fall, I dropped two
hits and spent the first part of the evening re-reading Tao Te Ching (while 
waiting for it to come on.)  Then I watched Koyaaniqatsi and afterwards had
one of the most joyous feelings of my life.  Spontaneous outbursts of energy
with dancing, singing then quiet meditation.  Incredibly powerful evening.

I have a number of philosophical blatherings about why I found the movie so
powerful, but I'll save those for another time and another newsgroup.

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
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From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: Butane huffers?!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:39:30 GMT

Some kid back home (MO) was inhaling with his buddies, and they 
went walking down the street as normal, but all of a sudden, this
guy starts screamin. He proceeded to fall to the ground, convulsed
for several minutes, then died. Me-nothinks the brief butane high
is worth that.

coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
From: LILMARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Martin Lilly)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid consumption
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:49:55 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Nov16.184740.24033@bnr.ca>
saumure@bnr.ca (Roch Saumure) writes:
 
>
>I know a FOAF who has taken appr. 60 LSD tablets in a period
>of 3 years. I'd like to tap the wisdom of this newsgroup and
>ask the following:
>
>(1) In comparaison with other LSD users, is this FOAF drug usage
>    above normal? Can we say he is abusing the drug? What is the
>    average acid consumption for a user from your experience?
>
>(2) His peak consumption dates to about 5 years ago. Since then,
>    he only took a couple (5 or so). He did not experience any
>    flashbacks at all. Should he expect secondary effects (flashbacks,
>    schizophrenia,...) in the years to come due to past LSD usage?
>
I would say 20 hits/year is pretty moderate consumption, a rate I could easily
sustain  if I had access. Having consumed about anorder of magnitude more
during my period of acid use, with no pleasant or unpleasant aftereffects, I
don't think your friend has anything to worry about.
 
I was under the impression that flashbacks were government propaganda- has
anybody ever had one? Is there any data to support a triggered pharmacological
memory. It just seems hard to believe, even though I wish it were true.
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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: two mj questions
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:13:24 GMT

lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) writes:
>So I draw upon the wisdom of the net -- did we just happen upon some
>*really* strong pot?  Is this what's supposed to happen in extreme
>amounts?  Or was it treated with something, and if so, what?

I don't know.  Over the course of a couple of months I smoked an entire
quarter one time -- towards the end I got stoned one time and had an experience
like yours, where I came close to calling 911.  Never happened any other
time...

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: cj396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher E Lukas)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: shroom q.
Date: 19 Nov 1992 19:28:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


   Are the spore prints obtainable from that ad in High Times
real?  

- Chris
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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: New posting: DMT FAQ
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:48:21 GMT

mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>16. Slowly mix 200 ml. tetrahydrofurane and 20 grams lithium 
>aluminum hydride in a 500 ml flask, and label it solution "B".
>(By the way, lithuim aluminum hydride ignites on contact with 
>moisture. Protect eyes and hands.)

Ah, so we're into suicide today are we?  yes, protect the face & hands,
you don't want to be too badly scarred in your coffin.  Next time, try
using LAH only in an inert (N2) atmosphere -- conditions need to be
rather completely anhydrous to avoid an explosion.  Also THF and diethyl
ether both form explosive peroxides when exposed to air, and are two of
the more evil solvents to work with.  

This looks an awful lot like the synth for DMT in the Anarchist Cookbook,
by the way... 
 
-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Ephadrine
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:49:25 GMT

In article <1dumfcINNogj@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Ephedrine is the oral form of Epinephrine, or adrenaline.

This is wrong.  It's a different drug.

>It was once a commonly prescribed drug for asthma, but newer drugs in the
>xanthine class have less side effects.

Newer drugs in the adrenergic class have fewer side effects, and work
directly on beta-adrenergic receptors.  Ephedrine works indirectly by
enhancing release of norepinephrine at adrenergic synapses.  In clinical
use, it loses its therapeutic efficacy rapidly in asthma.  The only xanthine
used against asthma is theophylline, which isn't new, and has its own
spectrum of toxicity and side effects.

>Ephedrine is related to pseudoephedrine which was designed as a 
>decongestant with less undesirable effects. 

"Chosen" would be a better word.  There are 4 positional isomers of
ephedrine.  Two of them (l-ephedrine and d-pseudoephedrine) are in
common use.  "Ephedrine" sold in stores is l-ephedrine.  d-pseudoephedrine
causes less central stimulation than l-ephedrine, and is said to be
less potent as a bronchodilator.  It's in common use as a nasal
decongestant.

>Ephedra is a Chinese herb that's been used for centuries to treat asthma.

Which contains l-ephedrine, and some amount of d-pseudoephedrine.

>Rather than purchasing it through mail order, you might want to 
>ask the local pharmicist for Ephedrine sulfate in the 100 capsule
>bottles as it's much cheaper that way. Though more difficult to find,
>ephedrine is kept as a 'behind-the-counter' drug. Legal to purchase
>without a Rx, but not put out on display.

Some pharmacists will not sell it to "questionable" customers, and it's
an Rx-only drug in some states.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Subject: Re: Oh just great...
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:25:47 GMT

braindl@uhura.aston.ac.uk (David Brain) writes:

>Woopee it's Europe against drugs week..or somthing like that, just thought you
>all would like to know...

>Personaly I'm off home to hide my coffee, vodka, paracetamol.....(-;

Well, around here it's "Traumrausch - Die Suchtpraeventionswochen" which trans-
lates to "Dreamrush - The weeks of addiction prevention". Well, maybe I'll 
check it out, "Dreamrush" sounds pretty cool.


     Ulrich Mayring

       - Im liberalen Sinne heisst liberal nicht nur liberal -

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From: ahead@nyx.cs.du.edu (Adam Head)
Subject: ALD-52 & The Brotherhood of Enternal Love
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:45:58 GMT


With the interest recently in the drug ALD-52 on this group I 
thought the following extract from 'The Brotherhood of Eternal Love'
by Stewart Tendler & David May, Panther Books, England 1984 might
be useful:

  'Windsor [US lab] was not producing lSD but ALD-52, similar but
  not illegal, or so [Tim] Scully believed.  Scully found the ALD
  formula among scientific papers and books in the specialist
  library at Berkeley.  It was a compound [Albert] Hoffmann had tested
  years before.  At the University of California Medical Center(sic),
  Scully uncovered the scientific paper Hofmann and a colleague had
  published on the drug.  From the US Patent Office he drew patent
  number 2,810,723, lodged by Sandoz with production details.  In The
  Hallucinogens co-authored by Osmond and Hofmann, Scully discovered
  a table comparing the effects of ALD and other drugs in the same
  family.

  The table suggested that ALD might actually have advantages over
  LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip.
  Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs
  showed that while LSD produced brain waves associated with intense
  concentration and anxiety, ALD produced brain waves showing a more
  relaxed mental state.

  There was one snag.  Hofmann's formula meant making LSD first, then
  converting it into ALD.  Although the finished product might be legal
  , at a crucial stage in its production it was illegal.  The solution
  was a simple reversal in the order of production so that at no time
  was the drug illegal.  Neither Hitchcock nor the Brothers were told
  of ALD.  Hitchcock had been badly burned financially when STP had
  picked up a bad name on the streets.  It was thought he would oppose
  ALD as yet another innovation that would prove difficult to sell.
  The drug was simply labelled 'acid', and he and the Brotherhood
  were none the wiser.'
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Tolerance?
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:45:14 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: DEC Westfields News System.

In article <1992Nov18.132705.8815@iscsvax.uni.edu>, wiskow1346@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>     Is there a tolerance built from marijuana? From my experience I have not
> experienced that, but I have heard different things from people I know and
> conflicting facts from "offical" groups. Also I've always believed in a
> tolerance to LSD [ I haven't done it enough to notice ], but some of my friends
> say it is mostly psychological. What do you think?


   "To a dead beat - From an old Greaser; Here's looking at you..."

For a few years at the end of my 'career' it was my "habit" to buy a quarter
or a half ounce of marijuana, smoke a joint or less a day until the bag was
gone, and then 'lay off' for several weeks. On a fresh bag I'd get ripped on
a few hits but found the high less intense and shorter lived as daily use
continued.

On occasions when I would go camping or vacationing with 'the boys' I would
have a bag along and found that the first day out, the first couple of joints
to go 'round would effect me much more markedly than the same amount smoked
after a day or so of 'high consumption'.

I have had marijuana - synsimelia(sp) "skunk pot" - that would effect me
hard and quick each and every time but on the whole this increase in 
'tolerance' has been something I experienced throughout almost two
decades of use. I felt the same effect held true to hash as well.

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From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: "ex" smokers of MJ
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:56:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.114618.29569@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mleayr@nyx.cs.du.edu (matthew leayr) writes:
>One guy I know will be with others when they are smoking,
>joining in the experience, but will refuse to smoke, despite his having
>been a regular smoker about a year ago. His reason is that he "starts
>thinking about things too much" whatever that means.

Sorry, I should have put this in the previous post.  I used to "start
thinking about things too much" without drugs so I can guess what is
meant (though everyone's head is different).  If this makes no sense to
you I can try to explain ... the ordinary assumptions we make about the
world to smoothly maneuver our way through it can seem quite dubious
when one examines them critically, and if one tries to figure it all out
one typically lands oneself in a nihilistic mess.  For example, "Why be
good?"  There is no convincing answer unless one has already implicitly
decided that it's good to be good.  Reflections along these lines can
easily get very complicated (see any philosophy book)  -- and depressing if
one takes them seriously and doesn't see how to cut the Gordian knot!
Getting stuck in these issues is characteristic of what they used to
call a "melancholic" temperament.
From: f0358@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LSD the poop is straight
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:02:57 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

Lysergic-acid diethylamide

When ingested into the human body, LSD act as 5-HT (Serotonin) autoreceptor
inhibitor, thus it is a 5-HT agonist.  LSD increases the level of active 5-HT
molecules by disaffecting their autoreceptors (a safeguard type feature in the
brain which reduces levels of certain neurotransmitter and the like). 
Serotonin, if I am correct, is not THE inhibitor neurotransmitter in the brain,
as it is like other neurotransmitter in that it is both inhibitor and
excitatory depending on location and circumstance.  5-HT has been implicated in
certain behaviors, notably dreaming and sleep, which explains the hallucinatory
effect.  We are in effect dreaming while completely awake and aware.
I for one have never actually hallucinated in that I have seen things that were
in fact not there.  I have however had perceptual distortions of the visual and
auditory kind (things sound weird and unattached to their emittors, the floor
and walls seem wavy)  The feelings I associate with LSD trips are calmness,
peace, empowerment, disattachment from the present reality, and most notably
the pleasant feeling that this reality is nothing compared to what can be.  The
most I have ever done in one sitting is four hits.  It was neat.  That is all
that can be said.

If anyone sees an error in my post, please feel free to check me on it or them.

Nova Novalis
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From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: Brands of LSD
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:32:49 GMT

In article <1ed2bmINNfqj@gap.caltech.edu> butler@cluster.gps.caltech.edu (Bryan Butler) writes:
>well, as i recall, the mescaline which i have seen came in
>small cylindrical pill-like things.  they were about 3 mm in
>diameter and 4 mm in length.  if two such "pills" were taken,
>their density would only need to be on the order of 3.5 g/cc
>to produce 200 mg of material.  granted, this is heavy (like 

That's much larger than a microdot.  (Have you ever had to look for
microdot in a shag carpet?  It's *almost* not worth it!)  The density
required is way too high, though.  A good rule of thumb is that
CHNO compounds are 1.2 to 1.4 g/cc.  Sulfate and hydrochloride salts
can be slightly higher.  I suppose it's possible that there is
synthetic mescaline available, but I'd bet that it's LSD.  Remember
when people sold PCP as THC?
-- 
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mencken
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From: Jeremy Matz <ILMJ@cornella.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: MJ sickness
X-Xxdate: Sat, 21 Nov 92 12: 39:54 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jam3@cornell.edu
Organization: The Hemp Coalition at Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:36:40 GMT

I have had two friends who each passed out after taking just one hit off
my old bong.  The first friend had spent the week previous studying and
getting little sleep, then he went to an intense four hour tae-kwon-do
practice.  After practice he smoked with all smoked.  He was the last to
take a hit.  He hit it passed the bong to me and fell on the floor in a
seizure like fit for about a minute.  This really freaked us all out.  We
took him to the emergency room and by the time we say a doctor (two hours
later)  he was okay.  My second friend took a hit off the same bong about
a year later, then ran down two flights of stair s to his car and back
again.  WHen he got back up the stairs he was really confused and kinda
looked like a scared little kid.  He walked in the door and passed out
into my arms.  For the next hour he was really confused and disoriented. 
He seemed to be passing in and out of reality and consciousness.  We took
HIM to the emergency room and by the time we say a doctor he was okay. 
His unusall twist was that he takes Renilin for Tensoin deficit disorder.
 Does anyone know why this could have happend to my friends?  And maybe
know when some people shouldn't smoke, because it could make them sick?
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