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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: A First Bicycle!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:23:49 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: world
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Jeffrey is turning 3 soon, and we are thinking of buying him a 12" bike. He
seems to be ready. The other day we were in a sporting good store and he had
a lot of fun on a 16", even though it was way to big, he was able to peddle
a bit. We just started to look, and havent yet checked out the cheaper
alternatives (Toys R Us). We did go to a Bicycle Store today, and their
one model was $80 on sale, $100 normally.  I also just read the relevant
section of the Toys FAQ. I have some questions -

1. How long do they usually fit on a 12"? Jeffrey is normal height. I saw
   a few kids zooming around on them at the park this weekend - without the
   training wheels. They looked like they were about 5 y.o, or close to it.

2. The man at the bike store proudly told us that his bike had ball bearings,
   not bushings, like the ones at Toys R Us. What on earth is a bushing, and
   do I care? I dont expect that Jeffrey will be entering any races on this
   bike but I do care about safety. I also want a bike that will outlast his
   needs and his sisters. Will ball bearings give us more safety or durability?

3. What is a reasonable amount to pay?

4. We plan to make a helmet mandatory. Any suggestions about helmets for young
   kids?

Thanks! and if people are interested I will summarize. Maybe I can also 
impose on Jonathon Rice and ask him to put it in the Toys FAQ.

Laura Floom
From: dolson@crl.ucsd.edu (Mark Dolson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: jacuzzis in labor rooms
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:57:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: crl.9301241600.AA07282
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Reid Kneeland writes of tubs/whirlpools in labor rooms:

>Sterile?  Unless they boil the water first (not likely), the tub in the
>hospital is absolutely NOT sterile.  And your body is at least
>accustomed (resistant) to most of the bacteria in your house.  (This is
>one of the reasons that infection in both mother and baby is less
>likely in a home birth than a hospital birth, assuming reasonable
>levels of sanitation in the home.)  Outside of surgery, hospitals are
>amazingly non-sterile places (which is why you shouldn't hang around in
>one any longer than you really need to).


Well, speaking as a former physcial therapist who "sterilized" many 
whirlpools where yucky, infected wounds and burns were cleaned, I
can tell you that there are indeed ways to brings the bacterial count
in such places to nil, using lots of disinfectant, hot water, and 
elbow grease.  I am sure no less would be done for the whirlpools/tubs
in labor rooms.  (I know this is technically not sterile, but it is
definately cleaner than home bathtubs.)

Laura Dolson
From: nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: haircut tips for 4-5 month old?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 21:06:26 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <199301241934.AA20266@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>here's another problem in which your wisdom is needed. Is there any
>easy way to cut the hair of a 4-5 month old? 
>
no
>on bed, cut) but the front was challenging beyond belief. We succeeded
>after she was sedated by formula :-) but I'm sure there's got to be a
>safer way. 

There is--you do it while they're sleeping.  If you're lucky it won't
take more than 3 or 4 days to get the job done :-)
nvv
From: tfpayn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 7 week old has day/night mixed up.. help!
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:12:49 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <60750048@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>, juliar@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Julia Rodriguez) writes:
> My best advice is to make nights as boring as possible.  When I was
> first home with our newborn I didn't realize this.  When she would wake
> up I would turn on the lights, tv, etc.  I would talk and sing to her.  
> 
> When I stopped doing this, she woke up only to nurse and went right back
> to sleep.  The things I did to make nights boring:
> 
> 1) put dimmers on any lamps you might need so that you can move about in
> the semi-dark

I've heard all these techniques are successful....

	But what about coloured lights?  I've got two light bulbs I bough a
long time ago, one red, the other blue, that resemble those party bulbs put out
by GE.  They barely illuminate a room, as they are QUITE opaque with colour
(similar to those emergency lights you see in movies).

	My question is this:  Will colour have any effect on baby?  It's dim
enough that you can see in, but dark enough that it won't wake someone up.

	Suggestions?

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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: More humorous developmental milestones
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:40:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     I enjoyed the funny milestones someone posted earlier, such as
being able to stall past bedtime an excessive amount, or the 1st time the
kid yells "no!" at you.  I thought of some others, with smileys for all:

Motor skills:
     Ages at which the child walks vary; however, it is a rule of thumb that
5 weeks or so later, you will be able to blink, and the child who was right
in front of you will be in another room;

     By the child's 1st birthday, he or she will be able to "dress" themselves
in a strange manner, because he or she will probably be WEARING their
birthday cake! (This has happened quite a few times with my cousins.)

     Sometime soon after the age of 2.5, the child will somehow manage to get
mud covering 100% of his or her body;

Verbal
     By the age of 3, many children have sufficient control of their muscles,
that they can yell "I hafta go potty" loud enough for everyone in whatever
public building you may be in to hear them;

     By the age of 1 month, most children can cry during an entire dinner,
then somehow fall asleep on the way home;

     By age 3.5, the child will have a sufficient vocabulary that he or she
can talk non-stop for hours;

     Several months later, the child will somehow "regress," as he or she will
discover a new word - "poophead," for example - that annoys someone in the
family, and will spend an entire 2 hour car trip repeating that word;

Cognitive
     By age 1.5, most children will be able to time the moment they need
something *exactly* when a parent gets busy doing something else


     Any others I've missed? :-)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: It's a Boy!
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:05:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.050718.22230@cs.mun.ca>, jamie@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Jamie Cashin) writes:
> sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
> 
> >Oh, if anyone can give me a name suggestion, please chime in.  It seems
> >that now that we know the sex, my husband has finally taken an interest in
> >what "his" name will be and now he informs me that he doesn't like the name
> >that I really like.  On my list so far are:  Conner and Tyler and we are
> >also looking for any names ending in "an" because our family is now
> >alAN susAN and ryAN.  So, do any of you out there like "Conner" or, do
> >you have any "an" names for me!!
> 
> >-- Susan Davis (Mommy to Ryan 21 months and Baby Boy Davis Due 5/6/93)
> 
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >|Susan P. Davis, Design Services |  >>>>                 Susan.Davis@ncr-mpd |  |NCR Microelectronics  (AT&T)    | >>>>         Susan.Davis@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM |  |Colorado Springs, CO            |>>>>(719) 596-5795 x435 VOICEplus 463-0435 |
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I feel so impolite saying this but... I'm not fond of Conner.  Tyler is neat,
> but I've been saving Adam for when I am lucky enough to have a boy.  I still
> haven't come up with a girls name yet!
> 
> My middle name is interesting... Kerwin (almost the 'an' you requested) but
> some find it unusual.
> 
> Jamie
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "To explore new worlds, seek out new             "be excellent to each other"
>  life forms.   To go boldly where no
>  DOS  programmer  has  gone before!"                 jamie@garfield.cs.mun.ca

How about Rowan? My husband suggested Rowan for our baby, be it boy or girl.
That was just a little too unusual for me, though. We've selected another
name that can be used for either boy or girl, and we may use Rowan as the
middle name.

I'm glad you had such a great ultrasound experience. Sounds very thorough
indeed. 

I notice that you used "Ryan", which I think is a very common name lately. 
So is Adam. I like to choose slightly unusual names, or at least not ones
you'd find in the top-20 names for that year. That way there won't be
5 little boys or girls with the same name in the class. Also, I'm just
contrary, I suppose.

I like Connor. It's still different enough. A woman at work named her baby
Connor, and at first I didn't like it. It's grown on me, though.

At 18 weeks, I'm eagerly and impatiently awaiting that first noticeable kick!!

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leewon@bnr.ca (Lee Won)
Subject: Re: More Sleep Problems/Questions
Reply-To: leewon@bnr.ca (Lee Won)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:51:42 GMT

I ferberize my little boy at about 6 months.  At about 8
months he started waking up in the middle of night again.
This time, the ferber approach didn't work.  When I went
in and tried to calm him by talking, he just got madder
and cried harder.  I then re-read all my baby books and
found one entry that stated that the crying out approach
may be more effective with older children since as they
get older, they have a stronger sense of what they want
and if you go to him but don't give him what he wants, it
could make the situation worse.  So, I tried just letting him 
cry it out.  It was hard but he didn't get nearly as upset as 
he use to when I went in and didn't pick him up.  Eventually,
he settled back into his old sleeping through the night
routine.

The only other comment I have is that I only did this because
I was positive there was no other reasons for his
crying (ie. I had him checked out for any physical problems)
and because he was already a proven through the night
sleeper (ie. I know he's not waking up because he's hungry).
Otherwise, I don't think I would be comfortable with the
decision to just let him cry.

Hope this helps ... Lee 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: macko@rtsg.mot.com (Terri Macko)
Subject: Re: Fun stuff with kids
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:40:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.190118.4044@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
>
>This brought back a memory.  When Billy was a baby he had this toy too and
>he figured out the first two fairly quickly, but no amount of demonstration
>enabled him to do the 3rd one.  One night when my sister was visiting, all 3
>of us were watching him when he managed the 3rd mechanism by himself and we
>all cheered wildly and started clapping (it was a spontaneous reaction by
>all of us).  It startled Billy at first, but he broke into a big grin and
>started clapping too.  Unfortunately, he seemed to think that was part of
>the mechanism!  For the longest time, he'd make 1 and 2 pop up and then applaud
>wildly for #3. :-)

This is known as an anchor.  Each time Billy worked that third mechanism,
he re-experienced the initial feeling of accomplishment, pride, happiness,
and whatever else he felt at that time.  He was remembering your reactions
in a most pleasant way.

-- 
Terri Macko,  Motorola Cellular		1501 W. Shure Drive, IL27-2237
macko@orange.rtsg.mot.com        	Arlington Heights, IL 60004-1497
        These are my thoughts, not Motorola's.  (They normally take
         two years to catch on.)
From: miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Kindermusic classes ?
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:54:22 GMT
Organization: NIST - Computing and Applied Mathematics Laboratory


Anybody have any experiences with the Kindermusic classes?
My wife is interested in enrolling our kids (5 & 2.5).
I like the idea, too, of them learning more about music and 
music appreciation.  

Both our kids really like to listen to kid music (they're finally giving
Rafi a break, but how many times  can you hear "Tyrannasaurus Rex was  a
very mean  king,  he  terrorized  the  countryside....")   Daniela (2.5)
already knows more of the verses to "The 12 days of Christmas" than  I do
and she's very good with melodies.

I guess my `concerns' are about the cost (~$100 for a 16 week course)
and whether they really do much that the kids aren't already doing.

Its taught at (by?, through?) a local music store.  Apparently the
concept comes from an organization Music Resources International in N.C.
The flyer says stuff like "
  Music for the very Young
  Sing: your child will begin to discover his/her own singing voice through
  Move: ..develop body awareness .. through synchronized movement...
  ...
"
There are classes for 18 months thru 6 year olds.

Anybody have any good or bad experiences with Kindermusic or similar
types of class?
Thanks
bruce
miller@cam.nist.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bkb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (brian.bebeau)
Subject: Re: What kind of car do you drive/3 kids
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:32:06 GMT

In article <1jnd2eINNehf@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:
>In article <SKATZ.93Jan21124023@kariba.bbn.com> skatz@bbn.com (Susan Katz) writes:
>>  What kind of car do you drive with 3 kids--all of whom are in car seats?
>>  There will be 2 Fisher Price carseats and a century infant seat
>>  (rear facing).  Other car concerns are price and repair record.
>
>We bought a 1988 Plymouth (read: Mitsubishi) Colt Vista a year ago
>and we love it.  We spent a long time looking for a used one 

Please note that to get the 7-pass Colt Vista, it'll *have* to be a used
car. They don't make them anymore. We loooked. *Hard*. We wound up buying
a Pntiac TranSport van. I would not recommend it. I would recommend a van
though. We have a 7 yr old, a 3 yr old in a car seat, and a 6 mo old in an
infant seat. No problems with space. My second choice would probably have
been the Toyota Camry wagon, which comes in either 5 or 7 passenger styles.
The Pontiac though has ABS brakes standard, where they're a very expensive
option on the Toyota. 

Another car you might check out is the Mitsubishi Expo. They have the 
regular Expo and the Expo LRV. The LRV is only 5 passenger and is what
they give Plymouth-Dodge-Eagle to sell as the new Colt Vista. The regular
Expo is a 7 passenger but is only available from Mitsubishi dealers. It
was pretty nice too, very much half-way between a van and station wagon.
You won't get much of a deal on it though.

-- 
=====================================================================
Brian Bebeau			Interactive Systems at AT&T-Columbus
brian@cblph.att.com   or   bkb@cbnewsl.att.com
=====================================================================
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Infants & Sunscreen (Was Re: Tript to remote island...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:10:32 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <9301272121.AA22228@cairo.kodak.com>, mbb@keps.com (Maureen Busch) writes:
> In <1k6tdmINN46v@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
> writes:
> >A dermatologist told me that the official age when you can use 
> >sunscreen on a baby is six months, but that *she* wasn't going 
> >to put any on her daughter until the child was at least one year 
> >old.
> 
> Does this include the PABA-free ones?

Yes. I wouldn't use PABA on a child--it hurts my skin and turns me
bright red IF I get out in the sun with it on. Interesting stuff,
but irritating to the skin.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: marsi@sdiego.uucp (Marsi Hauer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Rash or Abuse
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:03:12 GMT
Organization: Harris Computer Systems


I have recently had a problem with bleeding and diaper rash problems.  It   
looked like diaper rash (very mild) but overnite after the second day of treating it as a little diaper rash, I took off Jamie's diaper and he had developed a
bleeding rash that turned out to be a yeast infection. These can be caused and/or irritated by being too wet for too long or by contact with feces.  Yes, it didextend to his anus.  You didn't mention if there was anything that looked like
a diaper rash, could it be a yeast infection starting?  It took us a week+  to
clear Jamie's rash up.  (Also, he was on antibiotics, this can irritate and 
bring on a yeast infection also.)

Hope  this helps.

Marsi Hauer
Mother to Jameson 1year.
From: navon@cs.unc.edu (Jaime Navon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thumb Sucking
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:26:57 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ernie.cs.unc.edu

> ....  With the pacifier, you can "wean" them off it
> in stages: first, no pacifiers outside; then no pacifiers except in
> bed; finally, no pacifier, but that last step came naturally with
> the first boy; with the second, we cut off the nipple part so
> he'd still have the handle if he wanted some security!  There
> were no problems either time, as we took things gradually...
> both were off pacifiers by about 2 or 3.  (My wife would have
> a MUCH more exact memory of the schedule, I'm sure!)

We are using the same strategy with our daughter Maayan (25 months). 
We have succesfully completed the first 2 steps so  she is using
pacifier only in bed.  However it seems that the last step 
will be the most difficult (she won't go to bed without her
pacifier).  I would apretiate any hints/comments/suggestions/experiences on
how to do the final step in a painless way.  Thanks.

Jaime
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: later milestones
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:09:32 GMT

I'm more interested in when kids do later things, milestones or not.  When did
your kids:
1.  jump
2.  hop on one foot
3.  draw recognizably representative pictures.
4.  ride a tricycle well
5.  ride a bicycle, no training wheels
6.  learn to ski, downhill or cross-country
Does anyone have a source for when the average child does these things?  Other
than #1, 2, and 4 (ages 2-2 1/2, 3 1/2, 3 1/2) I have no clue.  For the last
two, when is appropriate to even think about trying?

I DO have detailed information on both averages and absolute ages (as in, if
your kid can't do this by X, check it out) for all language skills, up through
age 6 or 7; email specific requests, if you're interested (the data are
enormous).

Email responses, I'll summarize.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:50:11 GMT

In article <1412@brat.wa.com> donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:
>In article <C12DB2.2Asx@austin.ibm.com> jlpicard@austin.ibm.com writes:

>>BZZZZT! Sorry Eber! Recreational use of drugs _is_ bad! Think
>>about what happens if you get arrested for it. Think about what
>>happens if your _kid_ gets arrested for it.

>Oral sex  _is_ bad! Think about what happens if you get arrested 
>for it. 
>
>Things change ...

Not much, though.  It was only four or five years ago that the
US Supreme Court upheld the conviction of a gay man by the state of
Georgia for the crime of fellatio.  The law under which he was
prosecuted does not specify the genders of the perpetrators; it wasn't
an anti-gay law, it was an anti oral-sex law, and our highest court
said it was OK for states to jail people for doing that.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: sasdvp@unx.sas.com (David V. Phillips)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How tall will your child be? -- OOPS!
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:31:02 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit) writes:

>Sorry, I left one tiny bit out.  b = height of baby at one year.

>Let's try again....

OK, I've got a book that my mother filled in with my height at 1 yr.
and I know how tall my parents were.

>------------------------- formula follows ---------------------------

>Do all calculations in inches.

>1. calculate a (avg ht of parents) = (father's height + mother's height) / 2
(66 + 63)/2 = 64.5

>2. b (baby's height) = baby's height on his first birthday
30

>3. if child is a boy:  use x = 0.61, y = 1.07
>   if child is a girl: use x = 0.57, y = 1.12

boy


>4. calculate child's height = a*x + b*y - 4.43
64.5 * .61  + 30 * 1.07 - 4.43  = Predicted height
                                = 67 inches

Hmm, I'm 73 1/2 inches....  
Possibilties...  wrong height written down
                 parentage not what I thought it was
                 I'm just odd
                 formula is bogus

BTW, the 2 times height at two years old would have made me 62 inches,
if my baby book is correct.  I do remember my mother saying my height
was predicted to be around 66 inches.

I guess all of those hours on the rack helped!




--
David Phillips  sasdvp@unx.sas.com  SAS Institute, Inc., Cary, NC
"They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety". -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
"Gun control is being able to hit your target." -- Me.
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