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From: ngupta@nyx.cs.du.edu (ngupta)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Reply-To: ngupta
Organization: nasa-jsc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:30:10 GMT

Recently there has been one Mr. Gary Deol expressing his ideas about Khalistan.  Mr. Deol, it will be nice for you if you can restrain yourself from posting such stu..., baseless and crazy lies on the net.  It seems that you are one of the many terrorists hiding in Canada, still at large.  If you want to fight for Kh..., go to Kh... and fight for it.  If you are a geniune freedom fighter for Kh.., why are you hiding in Canada.  You are trying to create a rift between Hindus and Sikhs for your own personal 


and selfish gains.  Sikhs and Hindus are going to fight together against you terrorists.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Saivism. Vaishnavism and Casteism
Reply-To: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:30:29 GMT

In article <MANI.92Nov23132618@clove.Berkeley.EDU> mani@cs.stanford.edu writes:
>..........
>era.  But since Krishna is essentially a
>historical and mythological god, we 
>..........
>Mani
>


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From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Humor ! ( 3 clippings)
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:28:59 GMT
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

Swiped from Reader's digests.
Nothing to do with any culture. Just for fun.
Double Vision: (Dec '92 issue)
-------------
  Early one morning, dressed in old clothes, devoid of makeup and my
hair in rollers, I rushed to the gas station to order new tires. The
attendant told me they'd be ready that afternoon. After work when I 
returned, neatly dressed, well made-up and hair nicely coiffed, I said
to the attendant, "I'm here to pick up the tires".
 "They're ready ma'am," he replied. "Your mother was in this morning
and ordered them."
                                -- Contributed by Susan G.Swanson.
Wedded Blitz (Dec '92 issue)
------------
  Soon after our last child left home for college, my husband was resting
next to me on the couch with his head in my lap. I carefully removed
his glasses. " You know,honey", I said sweetly, "without your glasses you
look like the same handsome young man I married."
  "Honey", he replied with a grin, "without my glasses, you still look
pretty good too!".
                              -- Contributed by Valerie L. Runyan.
Come-back Kid (April '92 issue)
-------------
  In reviewing the papers of my Revolutionary War ancestor, Joseph
Smith of New London, Conn., I learned he had served under Colonel
Return Jonathan Meigs. Thinking that there must be a mistake with
the colonel's name, I did some research on him and uncovered a romantic
tale. It seems that as a young man, the colonel's father, Jonathan,
was hoping to win the hand of a Quaker maiden. After repeated rejections,
he mounted his horse and started to ride away. Then he heard her call,
"Return, Jonathan, return!"
  After they were married, he named his first-born son Return Jonathan
in honor of the "sweetest words he ever heard."
                              -- Contributed by Priscilla Smith Botti.
--
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venkat@uhupvm1.uh.edu               | If it does not, it never was.
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From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Latha/Lata  Mangasker/Mangeshkar Is Indeed Dead.
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:18:09 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1992Nov23.220059.6042@risky.ecs.umass.edu> rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:
>In article <9211231413.AA04389@lily.clu.cf.ac.uk>, ruvan@clu.cf.ac.uk (Ruvan Weerasinghe) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov21.183826.24143@risky.ecs.umass.edu> rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:
>|> |In article <1992Nov20.214442.8371@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, godbole@milano.berkeley.edu (Dattaprabodh Godbole) writes:
>|> ||> In article <3165@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> shirona@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (for a safer planet) writes:

It is with a  heavy heart that I have to inform the nettors who are not
ware, that Ms. Lata Mangeshkar has passed away, and there has even been
a Shraddhanjali CD released in her memory, here in San Jose in Northern
California.

However this news did not come either on MNS or SCI or even n the India
West newspaper.

Regards, 
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nikhil@visby.apple.com (Nikhil Jayaram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Housemate wanted to share 2-bdrm, 2-bath in San Francisco
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:30:53 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Apartment:
      located in Haight-Ashbury district of SF
      2-bedroom, 2-bath, carpeted, well-kept and clean
      great view
      dishwasher
      washer/drier in building

Neighbourhood:
      awesome location, 3 blocks from Haight-Ashbury intersection
      faces Buena Vista park
      very close to 101 and 280
      quiet and safe part of town
      street parking easily available

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      $480/month + 1/2 utilities
      Clean and spacious
      Unfurnished

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Contact Nikhil:
      home:   (415) 863-8423
      work:   (408) 974-0411
      e-mail: nikhil@visby.apple.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Books and the Indian-American experience
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:54:25 GMT


From 'The Kitchen God's Wife', by Amy Tan.

'Three months ago, I took a position as a speech and language clinician
with the local school district. And while I was basically happy with 
the job, I secretly worried that I had missed a better opportunity. 
My mother had put those thoughts into my head. Right after I announced
that I had been chosen over two other candidates for the same position,
she said "Two? Only two people wanted that job?" '

'Over the years that we've been married, we've learnt to sidestep
the subject of my family, my duty. It was once the biggest source
of our arguments. When we were first married, Phil used to say that
I was driven by blind devotion to fear and guilt. I would counter
that he was selfish, that the things one had to do in life sometimes
had nothing to do with what was fun or convenient. And then he would
say that the only reason we had to go [to visit my parents] was
that I had been manipulated into thinking I had no choice, and
that I was doing the same thing to him. '

Now this is the mother speaking about her son-in-law:

'When Pearl first introduced him to me, I tried to be nice. I said,
"Oh, a doctor. I'll send all my friends to be your patients". And then
he told me what kind of doctor he was. A pathologist! -- someone 
who looks at people only when it's too late, after they've died.
How could I send my friends to that kind of doctor? '

----
Amy Tan writes about the Chinese-American experience. Guessing from
the characters in her two books, her parents emigrated to the US 
soon after World War II. Her books are a non-sentimental look at the
vast gulf that exists between the immigrant Chinese parents and
the American children, and yet she speaks as an insider from
both perspectives. 

I'm waiting for a similar writer to write about the Indian-American
experience. The closest I can think of is Rohinton Mistry, 
("Swimming Lessons and Other Stories"). He writes with the
same sort of non-sentimental but tender appreciation of both
sides of the generation gap. They're critical, but critical as
insiders, which is distinct from the sort of criticism that
V.S. Naipaul offers. 

Bharathi Mukherjee, occasionally touted on PBS as the spokesperson
of the immigrant experience, writes about people who are
totally unlike any Indian or immigrant I've ever met. The
men in her books are scoundrels or immature or lustful or
all of the above, and the women are vague, confused creatures.
Anita Desai is better, and some of her descriptions of Indian
gatherings in Britain are delightful, but her characters are
hard for me to identify with, perhaps because of the differences
between Britain and the US?

Susan.

p.s If anyone is intrigued by the excerpts and wants to read the
book, I recommend Amy Tan's first book, 'The Joy-Luck Club', more 
than this one.


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From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SINCERE APOLOGY TO SCI READERS
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:11:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1ehqefINN4nr@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@cs.wpi.edu writes:

>	milton and latin??? this is news to me!
>
>	- ravi

	as if you knew either Milton or Latin... :)



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat)
Subject: Re: MOLCOM X, A TRUE REVOLUTIONIST.
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:29:49 GMT

In article <1466@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem) writes:
>: In article <1443@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>: >Hay guys/gals, the movie "Molcom X" is getting released
>: >tomorrow, and my suggestion to all is to take a 
>: 
>: 	No offense, but what about "Molcom" parts I thru IX ??
>
>Without going into details, let me briefly state that its not
>number "ten", but "Ex". Molcom Little wanted to shed his last
>name, 'cze it showed to the world that he was "little"(to whites).
>He changed his name to "Molcom Ex", symbolizing, Ex-smoker, Ex-drug
>peddler, Ex-everything. For more details, either read his
>autobiography(as told to Mr Healey OR watch Spike Lee's recent
>movie)
>: 
>: 	Prem!
>
>__SN

THERE AIN'T NO "MOLCOM" AND THERE AIN'T NO "HEALEY".

Dinkar.
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Caste - anachronistic and fatuous classification
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:42:10 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.140.191

>>Most of us on SCI net belong to ENGINEER caste. Most of the people who 

	So we would all be "tantriks"!!

	(look it up. tantrik == engineer)

>	Brahmin is one with knowledge and noble ideas; 
>	Kshaitrya is one with strength and justice; 
>	Vaishya is one with enterpreneurship and trade-like nature; 
>	and Shudra is one who enjoys service to others. 

	Which shows why ancient India was so great :-).
	No politicians!!

	A pol couldn't be a Brahmin, since the noble ideas bit rules that out.
	A pol couldn't be a Kshatriya, you have that clause about justice.
	A pol couldn't be a Vaishya, no entrepreneurship.
	A pol couldn't be a Shudra, since they sure as hell don't serve anyone!

	Maybe it wasn't such a bad thing after all!!  :-)  :-)

	Prem!
	Brahmin by descent. 
	Kshatriya by some stretch of imagination.
	Vaishya by a greater stretch of imagination.
	Shudra by virtue of my H-1.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: South Indian<>Dravidian
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:22:19 GMT

In article <Bxw2Mx.G7y@ns1.nodak.edu> ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu writes:
>In article <92322.150340EASWAR@PURCCVM.BITNET>, EASWAR@PURCCVM.BITNET writes:
>>NOT ALL SOUTH INDIANS GO WITH DRAVIDIAN THEORY.
>>
>>Let me explain.
>>
>>When Selvakumar started this thread a few months back, I sent a personal
>>mail to him requesting him not to continue. I told him that I thought
>>any discussion on the net could only degenerate and that it would
>>eventually hurt the sensibilities of a lot of people. We see the rot
>>now. And it is time someone told him to stop.
>>
>
>       Whose sensibilities are hurt when Prof Selvakumar quotes from researches
>that our 'preconceived' idea that Aryan speaking persons (note: not race)
>civilized whole of India which was barbarian - the same way that 'tellavadu'
>(white man) came and civilzed the heathens. I can give you references of a
>number of books written by well respected Indians and published by Bharateeya
>Vidya Bhavan which show the general premise of Prof. Selvakumar to be the right
>one.

Can you get me something! Selvakumar's posts were not on who civilized whom
in the metaphysical arena. Or have I read him wrong. Can you just show me 
where he brought this out. His postings sought to report on certain etymological
aspects of Tamil and Sanskrit, though the source that he uses for the same 
has been questioned. Are you trying to generalize the postings even further.
If that is so,  then in the aspects of religion, there have been 
early influences of native races (not necessarily aboriginal Tamils)
on the conceptualization of thought. However there is no clear cut, repeat 
clear cut, evidence to support the same. Whenever I read (and whereever I read)
of Hindu philosophy (from the times of prehistory), authors have made
very conservative assessments of this cross polination. You seem to have
found some definite evidence to support the view that these conservative
assessments are concretizable into more specific forms. If you have some
supporting evidence, I would like to know. Please when you present such an 
evidence, do us a favour. Test the hypothesis so that it can stand scrutiny
The reason is as follows. You know well and I also know well that history
often gets misrepresented, because people are unable to detach from their
own situations. If you can try to detach yourself, read the same, and present
us those aspects that are worthwhile to know (for they will stand as 
unalterable results for any future), I would like to know.

...kt

(lots of stuff deleted ...)
>K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail ksrao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu
>
>Department of Electrical Engineering
>North Dakota State University
>Fargo, ND 58105  USA
>
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From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Subservient
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:52:05 GMT
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL

(rakesh.r.patel) writes:

>Yes, don't you??? Take your pick, being a sharecropper or looking for
>opportunities elsewhere in the US. Don't forget the Jim Crow laws in
>the South at that time.

Aren't you mixing up two distinct episodes.  Blacks started ditching
the South and moving to northern ghettoes well before the civil rights
movement.  So the earlier existence of sharecroppers and Jim Crow laws
in the South is irrelevant to the issue of middleclass blacks deserting
the ghettoes of Chicago and New York.

>When and where has it been possible to "make it" without being in the
>right place at the right time???????????????

The Public sector in India.  Employment in the public sector is usually
through competitive examinations where you get the job if and only if
you are good enough.  As opposed to, for instance tbe Tata Administrative
Services, where you get a job only if your father is a minister or a
top civil servant at the very least.  As the public sectior shrinks one 
sorry consequence will be that the objective component of making it will
shrink.

However, I do agree that phrasing it the way I did may not have conveyed
exactly my meaning.

>Oh! Please! A few million Indians who left aren't going to be missed with
>somewhere around 850 million Indians in India. Unless, off course, it's those
>wonderful IIT grads. :)

Never before seen such a quantitative argument for quantity over quality.
In the same way lets move all the C programmers of this country over to 
India and lets see how long this country survives.  After all a majority
of Americans are invloved in either agriculture or auto-manufacturing, and
other such sunset industries.  

In other words, the million who came away should have been the "andhe
ka laathi" to the remaining 850 million.

>Which Asian communities were "pushed" away from American,
>as opposed to the Indian community which was welcome with a parade down
>Fifth Avenue??

Once again you are confusing different strata of communities.  I am not
talking about shopkeepers, grocers, and other petty merchants, but the 
Asian intelligentsia, whose vitality I believe Prof. Parikh was applauding.  
I am talking about the Korean, Taiwanese, and Japanese students who come 
to the US for higher education.  They are pushed back to their homelands 
not because they don't get a parade, but simply being not as familiar with
English as Indians are, makes them feel less at home than us.  And so they 
have a stronger desire to go back than most Indians.  That is all I meant.

Sanjoy Ghosh
From: sngattan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (The Almighty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:33:30 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

gupta@cse.uta.edu (Arun Gupta) writes:

>    There has been several articles on the above topic recently. Let me put in
>my 2 cents worth: I feel that tipping and bribes are one and the same thing. If
>one needs something done, one bribes; if one needs good service, one tips.
>However the difference is that one pays the bribe before the job and one tips
>after the service (the server is not sure if the bribe will be offered after
>the service is performed).

>    Comments anyone?


The full form of TIPS is To Insure Prompt Service....so this is a legal
form of bribery and one is expected to follow the rules else you are
liable to be considered rude, inconsiderate, insensitive, etc..etc..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fvs6259@umnacvx
Subject: Help Needed with Tourist Visa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:36:00 GMT

Dear Friends,

	I need to ask some knowledgable netter a question
regarding extension of tourist visa(stay permit) for my mother.
We have gotten  two 6 months extensions during her stay here and
are interested in applying for another 6 month.  I am faced with
the following choices:

1.  Mail in the application for extension to the local INS

2.  Go in person to INS for an interview.

3.  Go to Canada on a tourist visa and then apply for tourist visa
    to US upon reentry.

	I would like to know which is the best approach that 
worked for you in the past.  Our last two applications were
mailed and were granted on medical grounds.  This time I 
am not sure.  Any helpful advice will be greatly apprerciated.

Many thanks for your kind help,

Anil
fvs6259@umnacvx


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:06:06 -0500 
From: Shvetank Shah <ss7k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Meaning of Malvika

Does anyone out there know what the name Malvika means?  I know Kalidas
used it in his book (poem?)  Malvika-agnimitra, but am unclear as to
what the Sanskrit to English translation is.


Shvetank

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian,rec.music.indian.misc,rec.music.indian.classical,osu.indian,osu.music
From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: **** LIVE: PANKAJ UDHAS, NIRMAL UDHAS, MANHAR UDHAS ****
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
	<1992Nov18.164818.7243@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
	<168A3CC7D.R2HMV@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
	<1992Nov18.211002.14776@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:32:13 GMT

>>>>> "Shiv" == Shiv Naimpally <shiv@bnr.ca> writes:

Shiv> In article <168A3CC7D.R2HMV@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>, R2HMV@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.164818.7243@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
|> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
|>  
|> >
|> >What is your problem ? This is CLASSICAL. Please do not post
|> >this nonsense here.
|>  
|> If your idea of classical music is film songs and the like then let me tell
|> you that YOU are in the WRONG place. This group deals with "miscellaneous"
|> music and therefore the posting is appropriate.
|> If you want discussion on classical music, I suggest you read rec.music.indian.
|> classical and don't bore us.


Shiv> My idea of classical music is classical music ! Film songs are ...
Shiv> <surprise> film songs. I do want a discussion of classical music
Shiv> and I am portesting this bozo posting this Pankaj Udhas announcment
Shiv> everyday on rec.music.indian.classical !

Shiv> So bore yourself !

In case you didn't know ghhazals are a form of classical music as well. And in
case you didn't know, ghazals is what Pankaj Udhas plays NORMALY...film songs
is what hhe does on the side for some big bucks!!!

Pretty soon you'll be saying L. Subhramanium and L. Shankar are not classical
musicians as well......


increase the peace

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From: mick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: ....... what is wrong with canada ..........
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:50:40 GMT
Organization: Woopie Tech
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu
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Originator: mick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU


uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
:-
:-what is wrong with canada ??  For the past two years I have been quite
:-attentive, in noticing not just the contents of the posters, but the origins
:-and names and other characterristics of threads and topics...

	what a beautiful generalization!!! i guess they are just trying to
	catch up!

:-(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

	incidentally, this e-mail address doesnt work. maybe you mean:
	seetam@ece7.eng.wayne.edu.

	peace,

	- ravi


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