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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:18:52 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 626

In this issue:
                        michael pastor the third
                          gay AND BI deadheads
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 625
                           gabriel smartalec
                               Ol' Alferd
                           lying by omission
              some text of l/bi/g scholarship application
                             SHANGO PROJECT

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From: <MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu>
Subject: michael pastor the third
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 10:41:00 PDT
Encoding: 18 TEXT

michael,
    I've been following your recent postings -- sometimes with amusement,
sometimes with anger.  You seem to have little or no respect for the people
to whom you are responding.  Your postings are uniformly rude and
mean-spirited.
    I've read your postings in the past and have never gotten these
impressions -- in fact, I was offended when someone tried to rag on you for
not having your own account.
    So the question is -- are you upset about something?  Is something going
on in your life that causes you to take your hostilities out on people on the
net?  Or were my original impressions of you wrong?  Are you-- in fact --
naturally nasty and surly and just hid it in the older postings.
    In either case, please curb your attitude.  It's not very pretty, nor is
it necessary.
Fully expecting to get flamed by Mr. The Third,
Mark
"There's more to love than boy meets girl." -- Jimmy Somerville

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:45:48 EDT
From: "Susan A. Spencer" <SSPENCER%PUCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      re: gay AND BI deadheads

Hey-

There are Bi-deadheads out here, too!  BTW, is anyone seeing the shows at
the Spectrum and/or MSG?

SUeS.

P.S. Anyone out there got any good advice for someone going to their first sex
party?

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:00:18 EDT
From: georgick@hal.hahnemann.edu
Subject: RE: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 625

Graham-

when i read your post about eleanor of aquitaine and katherine hepburn's
portrayal of her i couldn't help remembering this wonderful dorothy parker
quote:

"katherine hepburn's acting talents run the gamut from A to B."

tamara
georgick@hal.hahnemann.edu

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:45:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: gabriel smartalec

>I don't mean to offend, mjp3, but I can't see how anyone can equate being
>gay with having been abused by one's father, whether the equation is causally
>produced or not.  If you mean only that you equate any two aspects of your
>life, it seems a strange argument, and I find it difficult to comprehend that
>you (or anyone) really look absolutely equally at all aspects of your life.
>I regret any insult you may have read in it.

>Gabriel (in New Mexico)

Just to draw some parallels to illustrate the equality of some aspects
of my life: During junior high and high school I was ashamed to be
abused and refused to admit to anyone that I was abused.  It prevented
me from fully loving the people that I wanted to love, and stopped me
from having friends the way a normal teenager would.  On a positive
note:  it gave me a drive to find and do things that made me feel good.
I learned to deal with my own anger and problems without anyone elses
help when necessary.  I developed an imagination (to escape at teh time)
in my childhood that allowed me to create other places and people (my
'stories') that further led to my immense creativity and vocation choice
as a writer.  Being gay is quite similar to the above.

My perspective of being gay from my youngest years has seemed to be
unique to others:  I saw my bieng gay as an extension of being 'gifted'
as a child.  I just thought they went hand in hand.  I don't know how
else to describe the feeling.  So my gay-ness has never been something
that was loaded with other baggage attached to the concept.  If
anything, it has been a suitcase to other aspects of my life. (i am a
writer who happens to be gay, as opposed to a gay writer).

It's not that I look at every aspect of my life and self as completely
equal:  I just don't look at myself as anything else but in terms of
aspects.  I see myslef as a multifacted gem (d30 crystal die for all you
RPG fans out there).  No one aspect of my self is more important or
sigficant in my life history or my psyche development than the other.
When one has held precendence for too long, the others suffer greatly.

Ethnic Identity eliminates that view, as individual aspects are
subjugated to the greater ethnic whole. (you see the hemisphere of the
gem and not the facets).  Which holds precedence in your life?  Your
gay-ness or other groups of traits?  Are you more Gay or more Jewish?
Are you more Gay or more Amerirish?  Are you more Gay or more Male?

any clearer?

michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:46:09 EDT
Subject: Ol' Alferd

Howdy, Ryon!  I'm much obliged for the correction/clarification re: Alferd
Packer.  Just goes to show that a fella really needs to do his research
before sending out a sig file.

Have fun and play safe,
Mark in Virginia, where the only cannibals are Doug Wilder and Chuck Robb

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:20:58 -0700
From: Jessea N. R. Greenman <jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: lying by omission

I believe it is possible to lie by omission, just as it is possible, for
those who believe in sin, to sin by omission.  That such a possibility
is considered real and a threat to obtaining truth is indicated by
the oath witnesses in a court of law are asked to take:
I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:19:17 -0700
From: Jessea N. R. Greenman <jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: some text of l/bi/g scholarship application

To apply for this particular scholarship, students have to attend
SFSU, Stanford, or UCB.  I type the part of the form of interest
to gaynet folks discussing this topic, not so anyone can apply
but only so that those discussing the how's and why's of
designing scholarships will know how this was done.  I am
NOT passing any judgement on whether this is good or bad.
By the way, the scholarship money comes from the estates of two
gay men.
"Section C [sections A and B have to do with address, where registered
as a student, etc.]
1. Please prepare a shor biographical sketch (typed, double-spaced, not
to exceed five pages) focused upon the role of excellence in your life.
Discuss your service to the gay and lesbian community and society.  Also
discuss why you feel you are deserving on an award of a Markowski-Leach
scholarship.
2. On a separate page discuss why you need financial assistance to
attend school.  If you are without financial need, merely state that.
Lack of need will not exclude you from receiving an award, but may
affect the amount."

then some bureaucratic blurb re processing the forms, then finally:
"Note: All information collected as a part of the application process
for the Markowski-Leach Scholarships will be kept confidential and
only used by the Markowski-Leach Scholarship Committee for purposes
of evaluating applicants."

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:14:59 EST
From: Bill Stanford Pincheon-THE SHANGO PROJECT <PINCHEO@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: SHANGO PROJECT

Here's the info., I do periodic mailings and will be unavailable until
next week, so if you've requested anything, be patient--BSP.

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The Shango Project:
National Archives for Black Lesbians and Gay Men

The Shango Project is dedicated to the acquisition, study and
preservation of materials of historical interest which document
aspects of African American lesbian, gay and bisexual life in
contemporary and historical society.  The Project also serves as
a support organization to aid in project design, research aims,
film festivals and other activities whose function is to educate,
enlighten or promote change.  The Project is a sponsor of Black
Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual History Day during the month of February,
Black History Month.  *Purple Drum*,  the newsletter of the Project is
published twice yearly.  The Project is constructing a centralized research
database containing reference materials on Black lesbians, gay men
and bisexuals in world society.  Each Spring, the annual SHANGO AWARDS
are announced for research and creative activities which contribute
significantly to our understanding of the history and culture of Black
lesbians, gay men and bisexuals.

To contribute to the work of the Project or receive a newsletter,
please call Bill Pincheon at 812.334.8860 or write:

Shango Project
P.O. Box 2341
Bloomington, IN  47402-2341

- -end included txt---

Bill Pincheon
Indiana U.

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