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From: tan@foggia.oas.olivetti.com (Andy Tan)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: Can't delete cell from locked library
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:05:06 GMT
Reply-To: tan@foggia.oas.olivetti.com (Andy Tan)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

In article <1992Oct16.143317.15880@venus.ic.cmc.ca>, pas@jupitercmc.ca
(Peter Stokes) writes:
> In article <56532@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>,
tan@foggia.oas.olivetti.com (Andy Tan) writes:
> |> It is a known problem in release 4.2.a and has been in Cadence PCR for
> |> a while.  This problem has been fixed in 4.2.1.beta release and the
> |> fix will be carried to the coming 4.2.1 release, which is due on
> |> sometime late November.
> 
> Late November!  Last I heard (at the user group meeting) was 4.2.1 
> was coming out this month (October).   Anyone at Cadence reading
> this care to comment?
> 
> Peter

Yes, the release has been postponed to have more bugs fixed.  To be
exact, the recent announced release date is November 20th.  If you
really want to get first hand on it, the beta is available now.

Andy Tan
Olivetti, Advanced Technology Center
20300 Stevens Creek Blvd.  Cupertino, CA 95014
(408) 366-3561, tan@atc.olivetti.com
From: markg@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM (Mark Gydesen)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Third party edif netlisters for GED/Concept
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:44:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: gvgspd.2069
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

We are looking for a user definable edif netlist writer for GED/Concept
schematics. We do not need the schematic writer. The Valid wedifnet
doesn't seem to be too flexible. 

We are trying to get the edif netlist not to expand buses, and to pass
properties as edif parameterAssign and not always of type string, but
integer as well...

Has anyone seen or heard about a third party edif package for
Concept/GED schematics, this may include fpga, gate array, or other
development tools that create edif netlists from the Valid compiler
database?

Thnx inadvance, Mark
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence,comp.lsi.cad
From: mudry@sd.cadence.com (Bob Mudry)
Subject: Re: Voice-Input
Keywords: voice input
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, San Diego R&D Center
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:22:29 GMT

I've been experimenting with voice recognition on my SPARC/IPX system. It
already had the hardware (microphone). I found a software package that allowed
me to enter basic commands for OPENLOOK (tm), FrameMaker(tm), autoCAD(tm)
and some other packages. I found that it worked OK (not great, just ok).
I suspect the el cheapo microphone was the source of the problem but can't
confirm it.

Now I was interested in this because I was getting a sore wrist from using
the keyboard and mouse all the time (I am missing a left hand so I am
doing twice the normal amount of hand movement). I haven't really used it
enough to say that it makes a signifigant improvement. 

If you think this would be a good productivity booster, talk to the sales and
marketing folks here at Cadence.

mud

Like Deejay sez - "I speak only only for myself. If I spoke for Cadence
  they'd probably make me wear a tie..." ;^}




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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: eversole@acae037.cadence.com (Richard Eversole; x6239)
Subject: Re: Skill Mode for emacs
Reply-To: eversole@acae037.cadence.com (Richard Eversole; x6239)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:24:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.191252.2184@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep29.101556.2932@huldra.tdata.no> lsto@huldra.tdata.no (Lech Slawomir Tomczak) writes:
|> >
|> >Does anybody have a Verilog-HDL mode for emacs?
|> >If so, please mail to lsto@tdata.no
|> >

I have a Verilog mode and will be posting it. It is an
amalgamation of 3 other Verilog modes that I have seen in 
the past. (All of which have various problems). While mine is
better it is by no mean perfect.

|> 
|> For that matter, does anyone have a Skill mode?

Try lisp mode since that is very close to Skill.
In any event if you want to role a mode specific to Skill,
lisp mode is a good place to start.

|> -- 
|> Proud to be part of the cultural elite!
|> What the gamemasters wilt shall be the whole of the law.
|> 	- Motto of the Hellfire Club, live-action roleplaying GM's
|> Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>

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    Live long and prosper !

Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: karlr@phineas.inmos.co.uk (Karl Relton)
Subject: Re: Can't delete cell from locked library
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:47:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.173535.7466@walter.cray.com>, toma@baritone (Thomas Arneberg) writes:
|> One of the irritating "features" about Cadence's Design Framework II
|> software is that you often can't delete your own cells in your own library.
|> 
|> Say you have a cell called AND2A in a library called celllib. Say that Joe
|> down the hall has a schematic in his own library (joelib) that references 
|> OR2A from the celllib library. Then as long as Joe is logged in with joelib
|> opened (which is usually all the time), no one can delete *any* cells in
|> the celllib library!
|> 
|> In sites where many people are referencing a library, and those people do
|> not log out of their workstations each night, this apparently means that
|> there is NO WAY to delete any cell in that library!!
|> 

What you say is exactly true. If anyone else has even just a 'read only' lock
on the library, then you are scuppered. What also is annoying, is that the error
message saying that a particular user has a lock is no help. Suppose you own
the cell, and you are called 'fred', and are working on 'fred_station'. Someone
else, called 'joe' working on 'joe_station' has a read-only lock. When fred
tries to delete his own cell he gets a message like:

'Library locked by fred on node fred_station'

i.e. DFII says that 'fred' is preventing 'fred' from doing the delete! In reality,
it is 'joe' who has the lock that is preventing the delete.

I don't know if these problems are addressed in 4.2.1 (maybe a Cadence person
on the net can answer). It is not necessarily a trivial problem for Cadence to
solve (although I think the error message issue is), since DFII sessions are
keeping copies of the 'library' in their virtual memory, and if people could
delete cells, it would mean that this VM copy is no longer valid. Maybe
some kind of 'broadcast changes' mechanism would be necessary, where the
process deleting the cell broadcast to other interested processes the fact
that the library has changed.

Karl Relton
INMOS CAD
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: eorourke@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: MFBcap file 
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:48:44 GMT

Hello everybody,
Does anybody know if there is a manual available for Cadence EDGE, 
version 2.1.f1 for creating entries for the MFBCAP file.  It is 
refered to in other manuals but I was told it doesn't exist.  Or is
it the first few lines of the MFBcap file itself where some explanation
is given about sizes of variables?  Thanks in advance...


Eugene O'Rourke
Trinity College Dublin.
eorourke@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: pryan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Philip Ryan)
Subject: FAQ ? Archive of the group ?
Keywords: FAQ
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:55:21 GMT


I've been watching this group for the last two weeks in case
there is a regular posting of a Frequently Asked Questions file.
So far I haven't seen one, so I'll go ahead and ask ....

Does anyone keep a frequently asked questions file somewhere ? Or even
better, does someone archive this group ? I'm hoping that I'll be able
to find some things out regarding Xilinx, Concept, Rapidsim, and Transcribe.

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From: markg@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM (Mark Gydesen)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: Request for info/comments on VHDL accelerator products
Summary: Cadence does have a hardware accelerator
Keywords: verilog vhdl accelerator zycad
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:10:05 GMT
Followup-To: 380
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Oct8.141855.11376@chpc.org> dyung@chpc.org (Dyung Le) writes:
>Hi, I'm looking for information on any type of accelerator product for VHDL,
>either (a) emulation, (b) distributed VHDL and (c) hardware accelerator.
>I think Cadence has a hw accelertor as well as a distributed VHDL simulator
>product (?). I'd appreciate any comment, info, advise on any of the above
>products. If there is enough, I'll summarize the posting for those who
>wish to receive the info. Thx.

Cadence does offer a hardware accelerator, I believe it is called the
XL. It will accelerate verilog (and soon if not already) some vhdl. It
requires a VME backplane Sun, at least when we looked at it (~6months
ago), not sure what other platforms are supported.

Cadence's VHDL product is very recent, and I'm not sure what its capable
of.

Zycad just makes accelerators, and uses an edif netlist interface to come from
other vendors, although there is supposed to be a third party Verilog interface
that allows the Zycad box to run along with Verilog transparent to the user.

I'm not sure if the Zycad box can accelerate VHDL yet, but I think they
have some sort of VHDL interface.

Mark G.
From: winzker@scoop.ims.uni-hannover.dbp.de (Marco Winzker)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Summary for Symbolic Layout
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:48:10 GMT
Reply-To: winzker@scoop.ims.uni-hannover.dbp.de
Organization: LFI, Uni Hannover, Germany

Some time ago I asked whether there are people using 
Symbolic Layout for VLSI design. 

Here is the summary of the answers:

It seems only few people use Cadence symbolic layout yet.
The reason could be that setting up a working environment
is a quite tricky job you have to do on your own. However, 
once the system works people have good experience. 

Cadence symbolic layout doesn't allow 45-degree geometries. 
This is a disadvantage, especially when you transfer an existing design,
where you found a nice topology with 45 degree polygons.

Further comments are appreciated.

Marco


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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: hutton@cadence.com (Peter Hutton)
Subject: Re: Interpreted labels on sheet symbols
Reply-To: hutton@cadence.com
Organization: Cadence Consulting Services
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:22:30 GMT

    > I've tried creating an ILLable (ILL ???), but I coudn't find the pointer to the
    > current instance.

	The pointer to the current instance is ilInst

	From this you can then contruct ILLable Label with values such as
	ilInst~>cellView~>cellName or ilInst~>cellView~>libName


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From: nir@zoran.hellnet.org (Nir Sever)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: Interpreted labels on sheet symbols
Keywords: interpreted labels
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:41:44 GMT
Organization: Zoran Microelectronics LTD. Haifa, Israel.

In article <1992Oct12.091644.6428@walter.cray.com>, toma@baritone (Thomas Arneberg) writes:

> I created a set of borders here at Cray that users can place in their
> schematics. There are several properties on the border that automatically
> display things about the user's schematic:
> 
>    ilInst~>cellView~>schGeometryLastRecorded...date/time of last save
>    ilInst~>cellView~>libName...................library name
>    ilInst~>cellView~>cellName..................cell name
>    ilInst~>cellView~>instancesLastChanged......date/time of last touch
> 
> Be sure that each of these labels are of labelType ILLabels (as opposed to
> normalLabel or NLPLabel). When these labels are displayed on the user's 
> schematic, they get evaluated to the properties of that schematic cell, not
> of the border symbol. Works great for us.  

Another usefulll contribution was made by reb@cypress.com (Risto Bell):
You can even use your own Skill functions, but in this case, you must define
them as members of the safe evaluation namespace:

addToNameSpace("ilSafeFuncs" 'mySkillFunctionName)
-- 

    Nir (Samburski) Sever,            Tel: 972-4-551551
    CAD group,                        Fax: 972-4-551550
    Zoran Microelectronics LTD,       E-mail: nir@Zoran.HellNet.Org
    Advanced Technology Center
    Haifa 31204, Israel
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: dyung@chpc.org (Dyung Le)
Subject: Request for info/comments on VHDL accelerator products
Summary: Looking for comments on VHDL accelerator product
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:18:55 GMT

Hi, I'm looking for information on any type of accelerator product for VHDL,
either (a) emulation, (b) distributed VHDL and (c) hardware accelerator.
I think Cadence has a hw accelertor as well as a distributed VHDL simulator
product (?). I'd appreciate any comment, info, advise on any of the above
products. If there is enough, I'll summarize the posting for those who
wish to receive the info. Thx.


-- 

Dyung Le, Leader, Systems Research   Center for High Performance Computing @WPI
INTERNET: dyung@chpc.org             Suite 170, 293 Boston Post Road West, 
(508) 624-7400 FAX (508) 624-6354    Marlborough, MA 01752 USA
From: tan@foggia.oas.olivetti.com (Andy Tan)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: Can't delete cell from locked library
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:40:52 GMT
Reply-To: tan@foggia.oas.olivetti.com (Andy Tan)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

It is a known problem in release 4.2.a and has been in Cadence PCR for
a while.  This problem has been fixed in 4.2.1.beta release and the
fix will be carried to the coming 4.2.1 release, which is due on
sometime late November.

Andy Tan
Olivetti, Advanced Technology Center
20300 Stevens Creek Blvd.  Cupertino, CA 95014
(408) 366-3561, tan@atc.olivetti.com
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: hutton@cadence.com (Peter Hutton)
Subject: Re: Interpreted labels on sheet symbols
Reply-To: hutton@cadence.com
Organization: Cadence Consulting Services
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:52:48 GMT

The wonderful variable that you're looking for is ilInst

Given this you should then be able to create ILLabel Lables
with values such as ilInst~>cellView~>cellName and ilInst~>cellView~>libName

			- pete


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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: toma@baritone (Thomas Arneberg)
Subject: Can't delete cell from locked library
Organization: Cray Research Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:35:34 CDT

One of the irritating "features" about Cadence's Design Framework II
software is that you often can't delete your own cells in your own library.

Say you have a cell called AND2A in a library called celllib. Say that Joe
down the hall has a schematic in his own library (joelib) that references 
OR2A from the celllib library. Then as long as Joe is logged in with joelib
opened (which is usually all the time), no one can delete *any* cells in
the celllib library!

In sites where many people are referencing a library, and those people do
not log out of their workstations each night, this apparently means that
there is NO WAY to delete any cell in that library!!

Can anyone tell me if I am missing something here? Is there a way to delete
cells in a referenced library that I don't know about, without making
everyone else in the building close that library? 

Any chance this "feature" will be less obtrusive in release 4.2.1?

Thanks,
  - Tom A.
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;-) I'd rather be ____  Thomas R. Arneberg   | Inet: toma@cray.com
:-) singing in a |____| Senior IC Design Eng.| UUCP: ...!uunet!cray!toma
:-) Barbershop  _|   _| Cray Research, Inc.  | CLAIM TO FAME: Loni Anderson 
:-) Quartet!   (_)  (_) Chippewa Falls, Wisc.|   went to my high school 
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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: jclymore@micom.com (Jimmy Clymore)
Subject: Re: Valid Packager
Organization: Micom Communications Corp., Simi Valley, Ca.
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:18:52 GMT

In article <PASCARU.92Oct14150516@dewey.etdesg.trw.com> pascaru@dewey.etdesg.trw.com (Ted R. Pascaru 111200 ccC355) writes:
>I'm currently tring to compine a netlist so that no underscores appear
>in the net name, and no "-" is prepended to negative signals (i need
>an "L" to be appended).  I ran the packager on some new nets, and the
>came out with "_"'s and "-"'s all over.  When I realized Allegro
>defauls were on, I turned them off (I am going into Allegro) but to no
>avail.  Cadence customer supports hasn't been much help, so if anyone
>knows a way around this i'd be much obliged.
>
>thanks
>Ted Pascaru

if you look at the pstxnet.dat file you will find two netnames for every
net that uses the "_" and "-". the first one is the one that will be 
used in ALLEGRO. this is the synonym (bloody hard to spell that) for net
names that contain special characters. to get a netlist without special
characters read the GED files into the ALLEGRO database and then run
the report generator and select net as the option. if this is unclear
email me and i will try to help you.

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Jim Clymore                When the subject of constitutional rights was brought
Sr. PWB Designer           up by a member of the pro-gun contingent, L.A. Mayor
Micom Communications Corp. Tom Bradley replied "Yes, I'm denying you your
Simi Valley, Ca.           rights." Steve Comus, West. Outdoor News Sept. 4,1992
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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: toma@baritone (Thomas Arneberg)
Subject: Re: Interpreted labels on sheet symbols
Keywords: interpreted labels
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:16:43 CDT

In article <166@ca41.zoran.hellnet.org> nir@zoran.hellnet.org (Nir Sever) writes:
>I'm trying to create a sheet symbol that will dynamicaly display the 
>library and cell name of the current cell.
>
>I used interpreted labels on the sheet symbol, but this would't work since it
>shows the properties of the instance, not those of the cell where the instance
>is placed, so the label [@cellName] gives Asize, and not the true cell name.
>
>I've tried creating an ILLable (ILL ???), but I coudn't find the pointer to 
>the current instance.
>
>Has anybody done anything like this? Please note, It's important for me that
>this will be an interpreted label, based on built in properties.
>-- 
>    Nir (Samburski) Sever,            Tel: 972-4-551551
>    Zoran Microelectronics LTD,       E-mail: nir@Zoran.HellNet.Org
>    Haifa 31204, Israel

I created a set of borders here at Cray that users can place in their
schematics. There are several properties on the border that automatically
display things about the user's schematic:

   ilInst~>cellView~>schGeometryLastRecorded...date/time of last save
   ilInst~>cellView~>libName...................library name
   ilInst~>cellView~>cellName..................cell name
   ilInst~>cellView~>instancesLastChanged......date/time of last touch

Be sure that each of these labels are of labelType ILLabels (as opposed to
normalLabel or NLPLabel). When these labels are displayed on the user's 
schematic, they get evaluated to the properties of that schematic cell, not
of the border symbol. Works great for us.

(It only took me about four weeks to figure this out...if you ask me, these
properties should be built into the Cadence borders!!)

  - Tom A.
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;-) I'd rather be ____  Thomas R. Arneberg   | Inet: toma@cray.com
:-) singing in a |____| Senior IC Design Eng.| UUCP: ...!uunet!cray!toma
:-) Barbershop  _|   _| Cray Research, Inc.  | CLAIM TO FAME: Loni Anderson 
:-) Quartet!   (_)  (_) Chippewa Falls, Wisc.|   went to my high school 
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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: karlr@phineas.inmos.co.uk (Karl Relton)
Subject: Re: MFBcap file
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:30:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.084844.1@vax1.tcd.ie>, eorourke@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
|> Hello everybody,
|> Does anybody know if there is a manual available for Cadence EDGE, 
|> version 2.1.f1 for creating entries for the MFBCAP file.  It is 
|> refered to in other manuals but I was told it doesn't exist.  Or is
|> it the first few lines of the MFBcap file itself where some explanation
|> is given about sizes of variables?  Thanks in advance...
|> 
As far as I know there is no documentation. The best you can do is look
at the entries already there, copy them, and hope to hack them successfully.

Good luck!

Karl Relton
INMOS CAD group
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Newsgroups: comp.simulation
Subject: SIMULATION DIGEST V29 N9
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:01:01 GMT
Reply-To: simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu

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