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From: esposito@hamlet.uncg.edu (Andrew Joseph Esposito)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: water
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:53:14 GMT
Organization: not affliated with any

In article <1992Sep29.202325.12116@colorado.edu> ghill@dot.cs.colorado.edu 
(Gregory Hill) writes:
>I frequently have dreams about water, and I was wondering [...]
>greg

When I had dreams about water, I usually woke up with a wet bed 
(circa 1970's).  Now when I have dreams about water I usually need
to get up and drink some.

I incorporate a great deal of my suroundings into my dreams.  I will wake up 
to a radio alarm clock (a half hour after it has been going off) and I'll 
remember all the news and such, but I won't remember hearing it.  If my arm 
is alseep (laying on it wrong and cutting off the circulation), I have a 
problem in my dream with my arm.  Really physical.
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From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Subscribing to SETHWORKS
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:51:06 GMT

  It seems I have made a slight error--could those who have been subscribing
to SETHWORKS please resend their subscriptions to:

  sethworks-request@merrimack.edu
           ^^^^^^^^
  Make sure the word SUBSCRIBE is a single word on the first line of your mail
message (NOT on the subject line), and everything will be fine.

  Sorry about the confusion, and we look forward to your contributions on the
list!

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: READ THIS! New Castaneda group book!
Reply-To: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:48:13 GMT



 
  Heyoo! There is a new book by someone from Castaneda and Don Juan's group! 
It is from a woman named Taisha Abelar, there is an interview with her about 
it in the Canadian Magazine, Dimensions (Vol. VII, No. 9, 1992). According to 
her in this article, Don Juan's line has ended and "there are no more 
apprentices, so to speak". She also says: 
 
 "I would say, there is no next generation, in the traditional sense. So it 
has to be put out to whoever is out there. And like you say , yes, there are 
thousands, maybe millions of people that are reading these things. Any one of 
them could practise them and succeed in finding the way. And the reason I say 
that is because you don't need a teacher. Being abstract, the way all of us 
are in this last generation, we can see that all you need is like a minimal 
chance, an idea." 
 
  It continues on along the same lines, describing recapitulation, etc. 
 
  The book is called _The Sorcerer's Crossing_. Which brings me to my ulterior

motive, I have called a _The World's Biggest Bookstore_ here in Toronto, 
Ontario (CANADA;->) and they said they got a bunch of hardcover copies in on 
the 8th but they sold out and may not get more for 1-2 months. So, does anyone

here know anywhere that it is sold or available for order? If it's sold then 
it would have to be in Ontario, obviously, for me to buy it. 
 
  Other things some may find interesting, Florinda Donner, another in 
Castaneda's group brought out a book in 1991 called "Being in Dreaming" that 
has encounters with Don Juan, Castaneda, Genaro, etc. 
 
  I don't know if I should just advertise this, but there are tape recordings 
of an interview with Castaneda from 1968 available from an audio book company.

E-Mail me for details, if interested. 
 
                                                           Adam Salter 
 
adam@zooid.guild.org 
 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Diane Seward)
Subject: Re: The deja vus You were talking about
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:45:07 GMT

In article <BvIC59.yC@pcuf.fi>,
luikero@pcuf.fi (Lauri Kero) writes:
>I do wish that you will not think I am posting to an appropriate group...
>
> Anyway. I have a strong opinion that the reason some people have these
>dreams that tell about the future is that the Spiritual World, the Other
>Side wants people to become aware of it. I don't mind you snickering
>behind your monitors, but please do not post any flames for me, it will
>not make me change my views and most people reading this group would not
>like to read them.
>
>Thank you for Your sympathy.
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From: crlstu1@bnrca (Rob Borcic)
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:34:35 GMT

>	My girlfriend and I were talking about dreaming one day and she told me
>that she cn remember dreams where she has written poems that were very good.

This reminded me of a story I heard in a grade 11 english class  (That was a long time ago, so sorry in advance if I mess up any of the details.  The gist of this is right :-)

Samual Taylor Colridge (Author of the Rhyme of the Anchient Maroner) was rather sick and taking a drug to help with the pain.  On night, he O.D.ed, and fell asleep.  While he slept, he drempt about a fantastic poem, and when he awoke, he started to write it down.  He had just written the first two verses, when he heard a knock at the door.  It was a traveler asking for directions to town.  The traviler was a bit slow, so it took Colridge some time to explain the directions.  When he sat down to write again





, he found that he had forgotten the rest of the poem, so he took the few verses that he did have, and then finised the poem with a short verse on poetry and published KUBLA KAHN.  (My personal favorite of his poems.  Perhaps because it is short :-)

The point of all this?  Tell your friend to write down as much of the poems as she can.  Who knows, they be the poems are grandchildren will be studying in English.
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From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Diane Seward)
Subject: The language of symbols
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: net
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:54:00 GMT


OK -- Most of us agree that symbols are personal. A broken
toothbrush to one person may represent a phallus symbol... To
another it may mean broken down communication ... (teeth, mouth,
cleaning, words...)

Yet there are SO MANY ways to interpret a symbol.
A physical message:  Ex: Arm actually fell asleep, dream of injured
arm. Physically "thirsty", dream of water. Physically deprived of
sex, a sexual dream...    ETC,ETC.

A Psychological/helpful message: Lights smashed out. A Monster
chasing you.  A character who is obnoxious ... (Stuff that says "Take
a look, face me, face the problem)    Many of these also show us as
we CAN be ... Inspiring. Creative potential, assertiveness, taking
a stand, improving a relationship etc, etc..  Some let off steam --
like ripping your bosses' head off. Some are basic re-runs of the
day or night before ...

Universal symbols/Mythological messages: The many myths of the
universe. Too varied & numerous to get into ... (Water,fire,
Earth, air/The Phallus/Sun/Moon/ THE HERO/ The underworld/ The
abyss/The Seducer/The Goddess...........
   (The Quest for Wisdom/Understanding.The Search for meaning.)

Lucid Dreaming: An incredible subject in itself. Ability to really
face what you need to, & take control, change what you want. Helps
you learn to get past fear & make changes. See alt.dreams 7649/
Sept 28. (Jennifer Dole)

INTUITION (DEJA VU?) messages: Events, places, or people seen,
*before* you get to that place in time. (Sometimes warnings,
sometimes just a view to let you know you have a gift.)

AND ... HIGHER LEVEL Dreams that are too incredible for words to
even describe. With FEELINGS like a million feelings of *pure*
love & light. Take this or leave it -- Like Lauri Kero of the
previous "Deja Vu" posting ... It matters not to me cos' it lives
inside now. It is a path that just grows stronger.
          OFTEN dreams are combinations of the above examples!
So, we can only work with what we feel and stay open to the
many possibilities. Working with your own feelings of the dream,
keeping a journal on your feelings, as well as a dream journal.
Visualization, Taking the "part" of the dream element/character
& asking it questions. Lucid dreaming to learn to change.
Reading up on Mythology, Universal symbols (not dream dictionaries
or even psychology)
          It's all about FEELINGS. Experiencing the feelings &
trying to discover your own truths. Your own Self.
(By the Way, I like the questions/methods that "Jeff Hansen" &
"Ronno" ask of the dreamers ... good work.)
I'll try & retire my posting for awhile ... Guess I sat silently
& just observed for too long! Dreamwork happens to be something I
truly believe in, you might say.

DKS@RLG                    "All the knowledge in the world means
                            nothing ... Until the feelings live
                            inside."
                                    "Diane Christine"
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: Forcing Dreams...
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:22:53 GMT

Andrew A. Spencer writes:

>Apologies in advance for lack of working editor...

  No problems...I'll correct your spelling as I go along :-)

>I don't think that you need to remember your dreams consciously in able for
>your conscious mind to be able to partake of the knowledge of your
>sub[conscious mind]...I know lots of stuff, with no explanation...and when I
>try to remember why...I have no explanation...those things I often believe are
>a dream...

  I think you are probably right that we are capable of utilising knowledge
from our dreams without realising the source.  There has been many a time when
an idea or piece of information has just "popped" into my head, seemingly from
nowhere.  It is quite possible I dreamt this information and then only
remembered it when some waking situation triggered an association with that
information.  It's an interesting possibility.
  I also think that we are capable of acting upon knowledge from a dream "on
impulse".  How many times have you done something on impulse without
questioning why you did it?  Perhaps we often make decisions based upon
information that is just sitting in our head waiting to be triggered?
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Lucidity and me.
Summary: dreams, flying, and WOW!
Keywords: dtr
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:16:46 GMT

I've been lucid in many dreams, and the most exciting thing to ever
happen to me is flying.  Has anyone else gone lucid and then
deliberately flown around?  It seems there are variances on the type
of flying:  sometimes you can barely get off the ground, other times
you can soar from heights that are staggering.

There's nothing more powerful than soaring across a landscape.
Next time YOU (and you know who you are) go lucid, try climbing high
up and jumping off.  With practice this may become an unnecessary step
and you'll be able to leap off the ground.
 
I believe Freud said that dreams of flying are actually about sex,
well, then what are dreams about sex about?
(To steal a quote from the great Sandman comic...)









Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:35:32 GMT
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In <jorngh.23.717686521@dhhalden.no> jorngh@dhhalden.no writes:

>  I often awake and find my alarm clocks (I've got three) turned off
>  without remembering having disabled them, this usually causes me to
>  be late for my classes. Yes, I am _sure_ that I set them on the night
>  before and I must sit up and reach for the clocks.
>  
>  This leads me to this question :
>  Does the sub-conscious have a will of it's own ?
>  
>  This event happen when I really need sleep (I'm often awake > 24 hours),
>  so it feels like the sub-conscious forces me to sleep by turning off
>  the alarms. In any case it must be done un-consciously since I can't
>  recall it.

Not necessarily. You wake up at the alarm clocks (usually, at least I
do so, a few seconds  *before* they go off - the body has a
surprisingly precise clock of its own), turn them off, fall asleep
again immediately and can't remember it. Falling asleep again is
common especially when you're deprived of sleep and forgetting the
event is common especially when you're awake only a few seconds. To
avoid this you  could place an alarm where you're not able to reach it
from your bed, i.e. in the other corner of the room.


MfG,
        Olaf
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From: mchalmer@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
Keywords: dtr
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:21:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

>>I've been lucid in many dreams, and the most exciting thing to ever
>>happen to me is flying.  Has anyone else gone lucid and then
>>deliberately flown around?  It seems there are variances on the type
>>of flying:  sometimes you can barely get off the ground, other times
>>you can soar from heights that are staggering.
>
>  Yes!  In fact, my ability to fly in a lucid dream is a pretty good indicator
>of how much control I have over that dream.  

I myself cannot recall being lucid in any such dream about flying. In fact,
the only dream I can recall in which I was doing anything close to what 
would be considered flying was one in which I could control my landing
when I jumped. I don't believe I was lucid (the dream was a very long time
ago). I remember jumping off of houses and being able to land softly and
pretty much anywhere I wanted, like parachuting.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mkent@netcom.com (Marty Kent)
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreaming - What Is It?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:04:52 GMT

"Americans are OBSESSED with control. They'd jump into their stomachs
and shovel the shit into their intestines if they could." - W.S. Burroughs
-- 
Marty Kent 				mkent@netcom.com
Sixth Sense R & D			510 548 9129
1914A Haste St.
Berkeley Ca 94704

Kent's Heuristic: Look for it first where you'd most like to find it.
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: DreamLight...any good?
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:23:26 GMT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

ABLB000 <ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> writes:

> I have read about Stephen La Berge's DreamLight, but was wonder
> ing if any people here have actually tried one out. For those of
> you who odon't know what a DeramLight is, it is  a machine used
> for inducing lucid dreaming (basically consists of a mask placed
> over the eyes).
I have heard about this too. I saw some show, Amazing Discoveries type of 
thing without all the advertisement, but I don't know what the show was.
It showed a lab where the experimenter slept, with sensors taped to 
his/her forhead. When the sensors detected REM sleep, the goggles on the 
sleeper's eyes flashed red lights for a time, and the dreamer would see 
the lights in his dream. With very little practice, he would learn to 
associate the flashing red lights with dreaming and thus take control.

I want one of those.

                              --The Vortex, Stranded in Dreamland
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Training yourself to remember dreams...
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:27:44 GMT
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com


This is very easy.  Right before you go to sleep at night, first tell yourself
you will remember your dream.  When you wake up in the morning, before you do
anything else, take a piece of paper and write down everything you can remember.

At first you might not remember to much, but as the days go by, you will soon
find you are writing pages of your dreams.  Then you will start to notice a
pattern.  

Your dreams will start telling you of up coming events in your life.  

Try it out.

Kathie ;.)
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
Keywords: dtr
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:30:13 GMT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:

> I've been lucid in many dreams, and the most exciting thing to ever
> happen to me is flying.  Has anyone else gone lucid and then
> deliberately flown around?

I have had a few of those. THey are very rare for me, but... once as I 
was running from a man who was trying to kill me, the thought occurred to 
me that I was dreaming (like some kindly telepath had planted the thought 
in my brain!) SO I immediately forgot about the killer, threw myself at 
the air, and hit dead on! Well, not exactly. I just hurled myself in the 
air and remained there. It was like swimming in air, the way an otter 
swims in the water - you know, that twisting turning motion, without 
paddling? Sometimes I'd dip low and push off the ground like I was a 
human skateboard. But flying higher, sustainedly, was a real effort.

You read Sandman, too? Here's another flying method (I'd quote directly, 
but I lent the issue out):
  "When I dream, sometimes I remember how to fly. It's really easy -- you 
just lift /one/ foot, then lift the /other/, and you fly! But when I wake 
up, I always forget..." --Chloe, "Sandman" issue 43 or so (Nov. '92)

                                  --The Fledgling Vortex
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mchalmer@mcs213b.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers)
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:09:44 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

>More then once I've turned off the alarm across the room and have no
>recollection of getting up and walking around at all....

*grin* I've woken up to find my alarm clock dangling out the window by
its power cord, still buzzing! I have no recollection of it... I have 
also had many other such experiences with alarm clocks and no recol-
lection of shutting them off or getting up or throwing them across the
room. Heck, I've even tried hooking my stereo system to an appliance
timer -- only to find the next moring that the speaker cables had been 
ripped out of the speakers.

My latest solution to being able to wake up on time is this. A friend
in the next room has a computer, and it runs a particular program which
will instigate another program to run at a certain time (when I need to
wake up). That program plays a song file through the computer's sound
card into which a speaker is plugged. The speaker is mounted on the wall
next to my bed, and the cable is run in such a way that it would have to
be cut with scissors to be disconnected. The only way to turn off the 
alarm (which sounds for 10 seconds on one minute intervals until shut
off) is to go to the next room and hit a key on the keyboard. There's no
way I could sleepwalk that route and hit the right keys...

...this has yet to be tested but I'll letcha know the verdict. =)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Water in dreams (sorry to tell you...)
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:36:43 GMT
Reply-To: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <1992Oct2.031630.26280@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
|> I hate to be the one who breaks this important psychology to you all, but
|> water* is the MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL FOR *SEXUALITY* you can have in 
|> dreams!!!!

[things deleted]

|> meow

Yeah... so, let's all practise safe swimming... ;-)

--tommy "my skull shrunk overnight" vaske 
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*      Tommy Vaske     *"Too much of everything the night before,      * 
*    - semper idem! -  *    you know I'm easily lead.                  *
*cafer@etek.chalmers.se* Are my feet on the floor? Well, I don't know."*
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From: MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: deja vu?
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:36:01 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep29.205951.21617@news.iastate.edu>
jrheroni@iastate.edu (John R Heronimus) writes:
 (stuff deleted)
>ok about these kinds of experiences?  If so I would love to hear about them/or earn the title and author of the book.  This experience got me thinkin
>.  Maybe they are tools which we can utilize to see future events/communicate/ r perform other 'weird' tricks.
>
>And maybe I've been watching too much Star Trek:NG?!!
>
>A dreamer.
Actually, I had a similar experience last week.  My office partner has a sister
that lives in another state.  We were at lunch one day and she was talking
about her sister, when I said, "Did you sister tell you she lost weight? About
24 lbs.?" My office partner said, Yes, she did and that's the exact amount of
weight she lost.  Mind you she hadn't told me that before and I knew as soon
as she started talking about her sister that she had lost weight (which btw she
hadn't done in the four years we've worked together).  I remembered that I had
dreamed about it the night before our conversation.
Spooky!  Maureen
From: shaw@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Rob Shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Vitamins
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:55:17 GMT
Reply-To: shaw@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Rob Shaw)
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science

In article <VVy5RB1w165w@amigans.gen.nz>, ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward
Kitto) writes:
> Someone asked about which vitman enhances dream recall. B6
> defiency can lead to inability to recall dreams
> 
> ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)

Yes, recently I tried 50mg B6 +  pint of milk + banana before going to bed
(tryptophan-rich foods, supposedly). And it seemed to me I dreamt alot 
that night (although I may have just remembered more). After I went to
bed, I started getting spontaneous imagery in my head much more than 
usual, after 30min or so I also had a light-headed feeling and funny 
numbness in my limbs (this could all be my imagination, of course).

They say B6+tryptophan are serotonin precursors. I didn't try the 
aspirin that supposedly "thins" the blood/brain barrier.

I was a little tired the next day. I'm normally a light sleeper anyway,
but this night I woke up after nearly every sleep cycle and was alert.

Rob
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