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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:49:51 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Kemp/Bennett

Hi all:

I saw This Week with David Brinkley this morning, and I thought it was
very interesting.  There was a good deal of talk about replacing Bush
on the ticket, which Bennett seemed to think was not only possible,
but would be a positive move.  He said that if Bush was to resign,
the American people would give him their thanks for a job well done
(or somesuch) and move on.

Then Kemp was interviewed, and he was asked about the possible replacement
of Quayle.  He said he though that was a bad idea and that if it was offered
to him he wouldn't take it because Dan Quayle is a friend of his and that
the real problem isn't with junior members of the administration; it's with
the Congress.  What he didn't say is that the problem isn't with the President.
Hmmm.  Last week on "Money Talk," Bob Brinker said he thought the best way
for the Republicans to save themselves this year would be to replace *both*
spots on the ticket--with Kemp and Bennett!  (You suppose George Will
listens to talk radio on his days off?)

Personally, I agree with Bob.  And with all these weird rumors floating
around (Danny's being dumped, Bush is sick, Barbara's sick, Marilyn's sick,
etc.), who knows what could happen in the next 100 days?  The saga
continues.........
                       ---Missy Justice
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:31:48 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: this place is infested!

Gary:

Don't worry.  I don't start theological arguments; I just finish them.
And Jimbo can throw all the incindiery materiel he can get his hands on.
I'm a pacifist; my primary weapon is frustration.

                                   --Missy "you bet I expected
                                      the Spanish Inquisition" Justice
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:47:32 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject: Re: prolifers and informed discussion

Missy Justics says (again):

       ..........., but it is not unreasonable for prochoicers or
       proabortion activists to refuse to accept the existence of
       life as a basis for discussion (which concedes the fundamental
       point of the prolife side).

Let me try one more time.  Since YOU used both "prochoicers"
and "proabortion activists" in the same sentence, maybe YOU can tell
us what the difference is.

Do you know many "proabortion activists" (as in people who would
like to force pregnant women to have abortions, same as pro-life
people would like to force pregnant women to carry the pregnancy)?
Can you name a few of them?  What percent of people for abortion
rights are "pro-abortion" in your opinion?

>                                             ---Missy Justice

--KAT
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:29:32 -0500
From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: j.b. and the foundations of a perfect world

I realize that gov't policy won't change overnight.  Is
there anything wrong with condemning my gov't for acting
in a manner in which I disagree?

I realize that should I become part of the gov't, or at
least someone who actually is listened to when I make
statements on policy, that I am not likely to follow
these idealistic glitches in my system.

As Mike McCarthy pointed out, I am a Realist.  That can't
be helped.  My favorite political mind is Machiavelli(sp?).

I do not believe, however, that oil should be so high on
our national interest list as to go to war over it.

In my opinion, our national interests should be basically
the following:

        US borders
        US protectorates, etc
        Canada
        Mexico
        Europe, from Ireland to Russia
        Japan

I do not define the Middle East to be of such vital US
interest that we defend the Kingdom of Kuwait.  Taking
part proportionally in a UN endeavor is a different story,
but we shouldn't have to be the people leading that way--
that is what the UN is for.  If it can't stand up on its own
feet, then we shouldn't carry it.

-j.b.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:27:00 EDT
From:         "Michael J. McCarthy" <YEA003@MARSHALL.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Course for T. Kidd: History 530: Research & Methodology

Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:53:00 EDT
From: Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject: RE: Course for T. Kidd:  History 530:  Research & Methodology
>
>The only point I wanted to make out was that never have the vast major-
>ity of Southerners ever been adamantly in favor of subjugating another
>race.

        And how do you arrive at this conclusion?  You presented a study which
(weakly) suggests that the South Carolina Court of Appeals, which probably
consisted of between 3 and 9 jurors, might not have been adamantly
pro-slavery, at least for part of the antebellum period.  How can you
generalize this to the entire South?

>And the fact that abolitionist societies existed in
>the South as well as the North supports that.

        Granted, such abolitionist societies did exist.  Any figures for their
membership in the South?  Were the justices on the SC Court of Appeals members?

Mike "I didn't write history, I just enforce it" McCarthy
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:53:51 EDT
From:         J1 <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Spin Control

My potential running mate has a way with words, doesn't he?
Some of those words, though, require some, um, interpretation.

Is there really no sensible coherent way to interpret the collected
wisdom of J. Danforth Quayle on Abortion? There is. What my esteemed but
confused potential running mate meant to say is that there is no
sensible and coherent way to interpret them as English sentences. But
there are other perfectly good languages that might serve. For example,
there is a logically possible language in which every sentence means
"There is one god, and he is Allah." (Though the generative grammar for
the language is complex, its recursive semantics are extremely elegant.)
Quayle could be interpreted as speaking this language, in which case all
of his utterances are false, but they are quite coherent.

I refuse to identify the fallacies in the Jimbo Smartest Argument
until/unless I am actually appointed Logic Czar. Otherwise no one is
going to buy my cow.

==========================
Let me now depart from my content-free course just for a moment.
If our Commander in Chief really does commit forces to the Gulf,
he is going to wreck the U.S. economy utterly. The price of oil
will rise, and money will be sapped from investment. I predict
that any boost given to domestic demand by spending on military
tech. will be VERY short-term, on the order of 4 weeks. War in
August will mean a plummeting economy in October, and doom for
the GOP.

It won't be very pleasant for the Kurds, either.


Jamie
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:46:04 EST
From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Entrepreneurship Chinese Style
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On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:20:00 EST linda said:
>i know  i know  i hit the 0 instd. of the O (oooops).
>i also mispelled queasy.
>i gave life to B+ cause that's what i am :)
>i gave death to O- cause that's what my ex-husband is :D

Shame, shame.  Such hostility! :)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
When ambidextrous people can't do it right, we do it left.

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:48:10 EDT
From:         "Scott W. Fischer" <swf7q@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Is anybody out there?
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After hundreds of messages over the past few days, the net seems to have
dried up.  Has anybody gone on vacation, or is there a problem on my end?


Scott W. Fischer
Woodrow Wilson Department of
    Government & Foreign Affairs
Mr. Jefferson's Resort
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:20:06 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Y's Guys answer the issues...

The Y Guys, late to the game, are late on
all counts.  Responding to the issue which
is clearly controlled by the JohnsoN/OlsoN
ticket (depending, of course, on whether
or not the J1/J2 ticket officially enters
the race) they say:

>We the Y's Guys also support the production and consumption of intoxicating
>beverages and we intend to *do* something about it more than just whine that
>they locked up one of our buddies for making the stuff.
>Our plan for the promotion of production and consumption of intoxicating
>beverages will include:
>        3. The formation of microbreweries will be encouraged.

  It should be noted that the JohnsoN/OlsoN ticket (and the J1/J2
ticket) *is* the microbrewery ticket.  While the Y Guys jump on the
bandwagon (off the wagon), we have already been brewing for years.

>The Y's Guys claim considerable experience and expertise in this area.

  So they claim, but we have the bottles to back it up.

>-other andY
>Just say "Y"

  Why Vote Y?

  Go for the gusto - JohnsoN/OlsoN

                                  -Tim
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:26:46 -0900
From:         "ACAD2A::ASCER" <ASCER@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: dumping Dan: myth or reality?

I would it would be a reality that Bush would dump Qualye since than it would
make it easier for Clinton to win the election...The reasoning
would be that people would see that they could not trust Bush to do
what he says he will do for the people....
Charles
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:18:49 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Bush/Quayle

If Bush dropped Quayle, the conservative Republicans would still vote
for him for President, but they would not give him support after the
election.  They never really trusted Bush, anyway.  Remember Bush's
description of Reaganomics before Bush became Reagan's VP?

Evelyn Duncan
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:24:26 BST
From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: hilary or carl? tough choice!
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Kerry:
>Given kind, loving, supportive, parents:  are the parents always right in
>the following:  (1) Pregnant 13-year-old is "forced" to have an abortion
>against her will; (2) Pregnant 13-year-old is "forced" to carry the child
>and give it up for adoption against her will; (3) Child is "forced" against
>his/her will to get braces for cosmetic reasons; (4) Child is prevented
>from getting a nose job for cosmetic reasons.

1) No.
2) No to the second bit.
3) No, but heavy parental persuasion is OK
4) Yes, even if the child was going to pay.

Dunstan
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:12:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: cost vs. return

On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:11:06 EDT K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU> said:
> > Sex outside of marriage should be a jailable offense.
> > -Travis
>
> How about sex in the absence of (any) marriage?
>
> --KAT

I don't know about that.  But I think anyone caught having sex with
someone in the absence of marriage should not be allowed to marry anyone
else.  I also think that divorces should be VERY hard to get, and that
only one divorce should be granted per person.  (That's per person, not
per marriage.  Whoever asks for the divorce is considered the "person"
in this sense.)
-Travis
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:31:04 EDT
From:         todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GE - WE BRING GOOD THINGS TO LIFE

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:21:12 CDT FRED said:
>I saw an article on the communist news network (CNN - a little tribute
>to the gone but not forgotten JSS) that general electric has agreed to
>pay 70 million dollars in fines for overcharging the pentagon on various
>projects. I have two problems with this.
>
>1. Why do we allow cost overruns in the first place? Couldn't we pass
>legislation that says what you bid is what you get?
>
I've often wondered this myself.  I guess such legislation would get
passed if not for extensive lobbying, PAC money, kickbacks, etc.

>2. Why isn't anyone going to jail? I have an ideological problem with
>20 year sentences for stealing $20 with a gun but no time served for
>bilking the government or private investors out of huge sums of money.
>
>If our system of justice is truely equal then why don't white collar
>criminals spend time behind bars in REAL jails?

Because, much to the chagrin of my HS civics teacher, we are not all
equal before the law.  The lady with the scales sometimes lifts her
blindfold to check the color of your skin, the size of your wallet,
or even your physical attractiveness.  Hey, nobody's perfect.
    todddddddddd

=========== Wake up John Doe.  You're the hope of the world! ===========
--------     /^^\    ---- Todd Pukanecz ----   ----  CCCS@VTVM1  ----
-----      /      >   --- Ag. Econ. DPL --- "Of course he's guilty!
---  /\_ / @       \   -- Virginia Tech --   We don't investigate
-  /________________>   - Blacksburg VA -    innocent people!" -MEESE
From: 92price@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: Dan Quayle & Masturbation
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:27:40 EST
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On CNN, Wesley Crusher, uh, I mean Dan Quayle, mentioned that he thought
America would be better off if both Congress and the Presidency were controlled
by the same party--I wonder what this means if a Democrat-controlled Congress
is a shoe-in.  After all, he and Bush keep saying that the problem was that
they have good ideas but Congress keeps shooting them down, so nothing gets
done and America suffers.  Is there any evidence that were Bush to actually win
again, that Congress would not continue to shoot down his "good ideas?"

I would welcome a Bush dumping of Quayle, because I think it would hurt the
Republicans.  I think the large numbers of far-right goons that support him
would then cast protest votes for some new fanatic who would rise up.  And I
think people who have got the nerve up to leave Bush in disgust would not be so
easily lured back in.

So much for economic improvement before the election--the new phrase is "triple
dip."

I wonder if people who think AIDS education should consist only of a flat-out
"abstain or get married" ("just say 'no!'"), because those practices are safer
than practicing the other forms of "safe sex," would also recommend masturbation
for that reason.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:14:00 EST
From:         ZIMMERJ@WABASH.BITNET
Subject:      Why Johnny can't read

Does anyone remember the case several years ago where a student-athlete
graduated from college and still couldn't read?  He sued his school for failing
to teach him properly, but I can't remember how the case turned out.

Anyway, I hung around some pretty left-wing people in high school (and still
do).  However, I never met a single peson who felt any sympathy for that guy at
all.  We all pitied him for being so stupid and all, but no one ever suggested
that anyone was to blame for his illiteracy other than himslef.

My ongoing debate with Kerry and Brni reminded me of this incident.  I wonder
if anyone out there thinks that society is to blame for this person's
illiteracy, or if everyone agrees that if someone graduates from college and
still can't read, it's his own fault.

Jason

BTW this is my last day at school for the summer, so I'm afraid I'll have to end

my participation in the "AIDS Wars" debate which I started.  Though we never
reached much agreement, at least Kerry convinced me that there are more
illiterates out there than I previously thought, although we still disagree on
why that is the case.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:29:00 EST
From:         MING the Destroyer <199561011@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      v-election polls

just a reminder to vote early and vote often

(preliminary poll findings indicate 100% support of the
Tall Guy ticket)

send replies by private e-mail
preferably by 7 or 8 tonite, or by 11:30 latest, if you must.

brni
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:11:06 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: cost vs. return

> Sex outside of marriage should be a jailable offense.
> -Travis

How about sex in the absence of (any) marriage?

--KAT
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:14:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: If A then B

On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:08:23 EDT Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET> said:
>
> Now, to Travis....
>
> >If 2+2=26, then 3+3=90.
> >Prove the above statement false.
>
> Dear Travis, how could I prove a statement false when it is
> in fact true???
>
> Perhaps what you MEANT to say is that if a statement is true, then
> it cannot be proven false. What you ACTUALLY said is that if a
> statement cannot be proven false, then it is true. That is,
> you may have mistaken "If A, then B" for "If B, then A."

Well, I would like someone then to prove the above statement true.
(Besides the geometrical axiom that says so.  Why does it say so?)


> Jamie
>
> I am a professional logician. Don't you try this at home.
-Travis, who has been trying this at home for years and I haven't
been harmed ye*BOOOOOOOM*
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:41:59 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Entrepreneurship Chinese Style

>Perhaps some of you enterprising types in the US could pick up on this
>idea, given the steady growth in executions being carried out there.
>Of course, lethal gas and injection and, probably, the electric chair
>would have to be dropped in favour of something like a bullet or
>hanging,

  Great idea.  The laws already exist to implement this.
Just add organs to the list of assets that drug dealers
forfeit.

                     -Tim
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:10:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: How to defeat AIDS

yeah - EDUCATION.
yes, i know, same ol debate, but i often repeat myself (that's because i have
kids and i swear they are afflicted with selective deafness).

seriously, it would be nice if people abstained from high risk behaviors, but
until everyone becomes educated to what those behaviors are -FROM AN EARLY AGE-
you know, *before* its too late, AND it would be nice if people always acted
reasonably....well, education is our best defense.

too bad so many people prefer to keep their heads in the sands of ignorance, all
in the name of righteousness.....

-linda    the proud mother (in traction) of a futon-owner
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:03:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: cost vs. return

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:45:00 EST the anti-elvis <199561011@VUVAXCOM.BITNET> said
:
> From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
> Subject:      Re: cost vs. return
>
> On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:11:06 EDT K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU> said:
>
>         um, how does this affect corporations, which are considered "persons"
>         under the law?
Well, if corporations have sex, they should go to corporate jail or
whatever.  What if a corporation commits murder???

>         and, uh, what part of the country would we leave for those who
>         have only had marital sex, or no sex at all (assuming that we
>         construct a big jail for the rest of us)?  i recommend rhode island.
None.  Noone goes to jail for past offenses.  Ex post facto.  Read your
constitution.
>
>         brni
-Travis
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:06:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      ThE MoNeY PiT :-) This Old House and Do it Yourself
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Hello Friends,
   Tomorrow my wife and I close on our house, then we will be homeowners!
The time has almost arrived.  It has been a long and strenous process right
up near to the end.  I will be in debt up to my ears and will remain so
for the next 15 to 30 years. (It's a thirty year mortgage but hopefully it
will not take that long to pay it all back :-\ )  Since I am buying a home
there is some work to be done on it.  I'll need to clean, paint, tear up
rugs, buff the wood floors, tile the bathroom floor w/ ceramic tile, wall-
paper, put new tile in the kitchen, and wall up a door that goes outside -
if you saw the kitchen you'd know why, and do some landscaping.  All this
means that I'm only working half a day tomorrow and will be off till
Aug. 8.  So till then take care.  Don't kill each other, I'd like someone
to write to when I get back.
   For my friends on Christia, please pray for my wife and I.  For my
friends on Politics, please don't talk about raising taxes.  And if you
think we are rich then you should try living in NJ.  I'll be thinking of
all of you, well most of you :-)  I'll go to "no mail" later today.

Later Folks,

Carl---------+  The Crusader
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:28:00 CST
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Re:_this just in!

General elections are always held on the first Tuesday after the first
Monday in November, this year November 3rd. VMS
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