From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Clayton's bogus numbers
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:40:08 GMT
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In article <13131@optilink.UUCP>,
cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <lftd0aINNh4o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>,
>chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:

DC:
># What exactly did Abel mean by "exclusively homosexual"?  Was it any of
># the following (and if so, which one):

># 1) all molested victims were boys (i.e., exclusively homosexual molestor)
># 2) all sexual partners (adult or child) were male.
># 3) all adult sexual partners were male (and there were adult sexual partners)

CC:
>Since Abel asserted that adult men having sex with little boys could
>be heterosexuals, it would seem that he meant the PC definition,
>#3, above.

I don't see what this has to do with Political Correctness. It's more
like intellectual honesty:
 
$_Out of Harm's Way: Readings on Child Sexual Abuse, Its Prevention and
$Treatment_, Dawn C. Haden, editor. 1986.

$specifically, pp 141-154: "The Child Molester: Clinical Observations", by
$Groth, Hobson, and Gray...

$p142:	"...men who sexually molest boys are misidentified as homosexuals
	 when they are in fact pedophiles."

$p144	"TABLE 1. TYPOLOGY OF CHILD MOLESTERS
	 
	 FIXATED TYPE
	 1. Primary sexual orientation is to children
	 [...]

$p145	[Case study:] "Scott is a 20 year old [fixated pedophile who] never
	experienced being attracted to men or women."

$p146	"In general, fixated child molesters are drawn to children sexually
	in that they identify with the child and appear im some ways to want
	to remain children themselves. It is for this reason that the trend
	for fixated pedophiles is to target boys as victims. This does not
	represent a homosexual object-choice, psychologically, but a
	narcissistic one."

Not only this (and the other expert opinions that I've posted), but one
more to add to the list of myth-dispellers:

Mic Hunter, _The Sexual Abuse of Boys_.

Check out the chapter on myths and realities.

DC:
># You've confused victims and molestors again.  Because of "fixated
># molestors" who raise the average numbers of victims per molestor by a
># factor of 12 (based on Brian Kane's interpretation of your numbers)
># (and how does this group overlap with the 21% who are "exclusively
># homosexual", whatever that means?), only about 2% of child molestors
># molest boys.  20% of that takes you down to .4% of molestors.  This is
># clearly less than their portion of the general (male) population, so
># the incidence of child molestors among male homosexuals is clearly
># lower than the incidence among male heterosexuals.

CC:
>But even then, the risk is much higher from any particular homosexual
>molester than the heterosexual molester.

You're getting there. That almost sounded like a concession. But your
statement should read "the risk is much migher from any particular
FIXATED molester than the REGRESSED molester."

DC:
># Do you disagree with this conclusion, and if you do, why?

CC:
>when the government says that a group with either a disproportionate number
>of victims, or a disproportionate number of molesters in it, MUST be given
>protected minority status, I get very upset.

About the only thing that you've demonstrated to my satisfaction is that
boys are disproportionately victims of child molestation because they are
hunted by fixated molesters. You haven't demonstrated those victims (always/
sometimes/rarely/almost never) become homosexual men.

Brian
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