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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:33:26 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:PRAYER REQUEST-FRED

Dear Fred,

We will be praying for Debbie and know that there is nothing too hard for
God.  We're not so concerned with the doctor's report, other than that be-
cause Jesus took stripes upon His back for our healing that this precious
one will be healed also.  There's a song that says - Whose report will you
believe? - We shall believe the report of the Lord!

Dear Heavenly Father,
We praise You and thank You for all Your many blessings.  We ask You Father
to look on Debbie and heal her and make her completely whole in Jesus Name.
We ask You also to give the doctors wisdom and that by the time she gets
to Denver that they will not find anything wrong.  We do not receive this
disease or any other diseases in Jesus Name.  We come against this sickness
in Jesus Name and we plead the blood of Jesus for her healing.  We command
sickness to leave in Jesus Name and thank You in advance Lord for her
healing.  We ask You to give her family strenth, wisdom, love, joy, and Your
peace.  We look forward to hearing the testimony of Debbie's healing.  We thank
You and praise You in Jesus Name.  Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:51:01 EST
From:         Dan Harling <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

> Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:02:41 -0500
> From: Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
> Subject: Re: Ten Commandments.
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>
> Excerpts from christia: 22-Jan-93 Re: Ten Commandments.
> "DRCV06::GRAHAM"@DRCVAX. (775)
>
> > I think it should be pointed out that it does not make any difference
> > whether the Ten Commandments are commands or suggestions, they are not
> > applicable to the New Covenant Christian.  In 2 Cor. 3, Paul calls them
> > a "ministry of death."  Now, why on earth would you want to keep a
> ministry of death?
>
> Obviously Jesus thought differently.  He told the rich man, "You know
> the commandments." He obviously desired us to obey the commandments.

Or, he used the Commandments as they were intended: to show the rich
man his sinfulness.


> Note that Paul does not call the Commandments the "ministry of death,"
> but the "ministry that brought death."  It is the "ministry that
> condemns men" and furthermore he calls it "glorious"!
>
> All of this is true, but it doesn't mean we are free to break them now.

...not because the Commandments themselves are our law, but because
Christ is our law.  The Commandments point out our failings because
they provided a standard of what it means to love God and love your
neighbor.  We are not compelled to follow the law, but to follow Christ
in faith.  The fact that doing so will cause us to remain within the
Commandments is secondary.

In short, we can be pretty sure that if we are acting outside the
Commandments, we are not acting out of love; but the transgression is
not against the law, but against Jesus.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:41:52 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Marinava

Maranatha = The Lord Comes (or 'Come, Lord') an early word used in prmitive
church for worship services.

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:02:41 -0500
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Users View of Statistics

RE: William Jordan on Statistics and uses:

Thanks, William for your very wise input on the statistics question.
I had a history professor tell me one time that there are three types
of liars in the world  1)regular liars 2)@#$!% liars and 3)statisticians.
I know, its an old one! But I think that you made the point abundantly
clear, that statistics *must* be correctly used and interpreted by human
intervention. Thanks for sharing your professional insight!....Mark
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:49:28 +0000
From:         "G.J. McCaughan" <gjm11@CUS.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: evolution and things
              21 Jan 93 17:07:00 GMT."
              <"ppsw1.cam..029:21.00.93.18.06.06"@ppsw.cam.ac.uk>

I wrote:

> Joe Cartna <cartnaj@eagle.safb.af.mil> posted a reply to a mail message
> I'd sent him on the subject of evolution. I sent a reply to CHRISTIA via
> Usenet, but it seems (like all my other replies :-( ) to have been eaten.

My reply has now appeared after all (yippee). I notice that it's full of
over-long lines; I'm not sure quite how that happened. Sorry, folks.

--
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: tithes
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:39:29 GMT
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Wasn't some of the money supposed to go to buy food and >strong drink< to
eat and drink before the Lord?

There was blood sacrifice before the law was given too.  Should we continue
to let loose on a lamb every once in a while? or pour grape juice over a stone?

It all belongs to God.   Peace, zane.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:27:02 -0700
From:         "Steven E. Hoell" <seh@NEUTRON.PHYSICS.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: SPEAKING OF BAPTIST

Renee,

Many thanks!

Steve
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:44:17 -0500
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayer Request

Hi Madge,

         Mom is holding up as best.   She is still bleeding in her bowels.
 Life is such a tricky balance.  But I am happy to have her here.  Talk of
miracles, God has given us many with her.  She has been sick all her life.
It seems as though satan has it against her real bad.  She has had two open
heart surgeries.  They did not expect her to live through the first.  She was
pregnant and they wanted her to abort.  She did not.  God brought her through
heart surgery and severe hemorraging when she gave birth to my baby brother
a few months later. Praise God, Again a miracle!  She wavered in her health
for many years.  Each time the doctor would say that she was not good, God
would hear the prayers and she would get better.  She went through many trials
and it seems like always another of her body parts is attacked.  In 1979 she
had a second heart surgery.  Again it was very risky and the doctor would not

let us see her for three days.  He said he loved her too and for us to obey
him.  He said if we could see her we would be upset, and this would upset her.
God brought her through.  They gave her an artificial heart valve.  The valve
seems to be breaking and killing people but it is more risky to take it out
than to leave it in.  Hers seems to be holding.  But with the valve, she has
to take blood thinners to keep the blood moving freely and not clotting.
This tends to make her a bleeder.  A few years ago, in 86, they discovered she
had gall bladder disease.  They removed it.  While in there, they tried to
check the ovaries for enlargement, but they didn't find any.  10 months later,
she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer in the 3rd stages.  Suffice is to say,
it is a very sneaky disease and it is very hard to overcome.  She had years
of chemo and surgery and through it all, God took care of her.  It is a sad
and draining thing to watch someone go through this horrible pain.  She was
so close to death many times.  She watched people die around her and she felt
so sad.  Some of them were younger and healthier.   You could feel death and
suffering the minute you walked down the hospital corridor.  At one point, the
doctors and nurses told her to give up and die.  The nurses told me that she
would not live the week out.   At first I looked at them and said "No, she is
not dying!"  But then, the nurse started to cry and I gave up.  I said,"Lord,
I cannot take this fighting anymore.  I give up!  I went to mom and told her
that they thought she would not live the week.  Ha!  She looked right at me and
said, "But I don't feel like I am dying.   I don't feel like I have cancer."
She called the doctor and told her that she had a right to know for sure and
wanted them to go in.  They found adhesions, from the previous surgery but no
cancer.  They apologized.  They could not believe it.  God is faithful, when
we are not.  No matter how hard we think we are fighting, we can do nothing,
God is the giver of life and death.  He will decide.
From: ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM (Eric James Ewanco)
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Subject: Re: Geeling old (was Re: Segregated churches)
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:24:05 GMT
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Excerpts from christia: 25-Jan-93 Re: Geeling old (was Re: Se.. Netnews
Moderator@asuvm. (666)

> I was in high school when the Challenger blew up.  We were watching the
> lauch of a space shuttle as part of a class.  It happened to be January
> 28, 1986.
>
> Who's JFK?

JFK is John F. Kennedy Jr., the young lawyer who failed his bar exam a
few times, and the paramour of Darryll Hannah.

:-)
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:22:23 EST
From:         Dan Harling <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

> Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:08:31 -0600
> From: Theodore Penn <U59919%UICVM.BITNET@asu.edu>
> Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>
> What is LDS?

Latter-Day Saints.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:56:33 GMT
From:         "Ian (Travolta) Wylie C2/Q2" <iwylie@MCS.DUNDEE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Tithing

>
> >However, there is no reason that Christians cannot give their money
> >directly to people who need it, rather than putting it all under the
> >church's discretion.  In fact, this would provide far fewer
> >opportunities for corruption than if it were all thrown into one big
> >fund.
>
> I've always been troubled by this attitude, which I've seen so often.  If you
> can't trust your church with your funds, why are you attending that church?

I agree totally with you on this Don



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"To live is to change. To be perfect is to have changed often."
                               -John Henry Newman

Name: Ian R. Wylie                 Email:  iwylie@uk.ac.dund.mcs
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:51:41 -0500
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      trial sign-off

Dear Friends on Christia,
I have truly enjoyed being a part of the discussion group for the
past few months- Great fun, and a real blessing!

However, I am starting to get behind in some of my work, and I am
getting too "wrapped-up" in some of the discussion; I feel I am
not being completely fair to my employer.

For this reason, I am going NOMAIL for awhile, to see if I can catch
up. Since I still have some posts out there, please feel free to contact
me JMJONES@UGA.BITNET for anything. Just to talk is great. Its just the
sheer volume of Christia as a whole that has become tough to handle.
Hopefully, soon I will get set up with a modem from home and can talk
and listen till my little heart's content! Love You All In Him....Write me!
Mark

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:42:00 N
From:         Wolfgang Hutter <HUTTER@DULRUU51.BITNET>
Subject:      Revival Centers International (was: Cell Churches - Help)

In a message of Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:48:26 GMT
Received on Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:51 N
Travolta < Ian> wrote:

> In Australia there is a cell-group church called "Revival Centres
> International"
> which is quite scriptural.

They work in Germany as well, but what I heard about them is not that
positive. Do you have some more information? - Or anyone else?

Wolfgang <><

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:11:04 -0500
From:         kilroy@GBORO.ROWAN.EDU
Subject:      Movies & Ratings

Scott Weberg writes:

> What percentage of new movies are rated PG??  (IMO any movie that's rated
> above PG has SOMETHING non-Christian in it; violence, sex, foul language,
> etc.  I'm not saying here that we should NEVER see a PG-13 or R movie --
> I'm just making a point about the *content* of today's movies.)

I do not believe you could make an accurate and complete movie version of the
Bible with less than an R rating, and possibly an X.  The Bible includes some
pretty brutal passages.  In fact, if you just sat in a chair and read the
Bible you might not get lower than a PG-13.

Side note: I understand that you cannot read the KJV on the TV or radio in
the US without having the FCC get on your case.  The word `piss' appears at
2 Kings 18:27 and Isaiah 36:12 (along with some derivatives in other places),
and that word is on the FCC's list of no-nos.


Jim Coen commented:

> ... Of the very highest grossing films of all time, none are "R" rated.
> [..]  If the money is made with films like the "Star Wars" trilogy [...]
> WHY does Hollywood continue to pump out one "R" rated film after another?

Because it is very difficult to make a movie such as `ET', and it is very
easy to have a cop shoot a gun a few times and have a woman take off her
clothes.  While the high-quality G & PG movies do make a lot of money, it is
easier to make profitable R-rated junk with prurient appeal.

The same principle applies to many other things.  Sting made zillions of
dollars with his album "The Dream of the Blue Turtles", which did not include
any explicit references to sex or violence -- but it's hard to write a bunch
of songs whose lyrics are complete sentences, and it's easy to sing about sex
and put an unclothed female on the album cover.


> My guess is that there is a *power* behind this industry with an agenda to
> "kill, steal and destroy".

I think the only active power is worship of The Almighty Dollar; while some
people are moviemakers, most are businessmen who make movies.  This leads to
neglect of good workmanship and going for cheap thrills.

 *

BTW, I know Democrats are anathema in this newsgroup, that Bill Clinton
is the reincarnation of Diocletian, and that anybody who voted against
George "God's Own Candidate" Bush earned a trip straight to Hell.  (Voting
against a Republican is the Unforgivable Sin, after all.)

However, I thought I'd mention that Tipper Gore took some time out from
drinking fresh blood and wrote a book titled "Raising PG Kids in an X-rated
Society" (or something like that).  People who are interested in this topic,
and who don't mind supporting one of those Godless Heathen Anti-Family
Democrats, might want to get a copy of her book.


Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:58:04 EST
From:         Lon Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: tithes/first fruits

A brief comment on the idea of first fruits in the Bible.  I have been
studying this area in preparation for an adult Sunday school class
which I have been teaching, and I have found some interesting connections
between the OT and the NT.  My focus has been on the first fruits
offerings which were made in connection with the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost).

The relevant Bible passage for this is Lev. 23:10-21.
It is interesting to note that there were two principle grain offerings
associated with this feast, an early offering and a late offering.  The
early offering was made on the morrow after the Sabbath following the
Passover, and it marked the beginning of the countdown to the day of
Pentecost (which means fiftieth in Greek), on which the late offering
was made.  The ealry offering was a wave offering of a sheaf of fresh-
cut barley, and the late offering was two loaves of leavened wheat
bread.  This is the only cereal offering where it must be leavened; in
fact, it is specified elsewhere that cereal offerings must be _un_leavened
(Lev. 2:4ff).

The idea of first fruits carries with it not only the idea of the first
of the harvest, but also the best of the harvest.  As practiced in
ancient Israel, it really was an indication that everything belonged
to God.  If we look at some aspects of the Messianic fulfillment of
this feast, this idea come through very clearly.  1 Cor. 15 speaks
of Christ (in His resurrection) as being the first fruits of those
who have fallen asleep.  Christ rose from the dead on the very day
that the early first fruits offering would have been made, the
morrow after the Sabbath (Sunday) after the Passover.  Fifty days
later, on the day of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit was poured out and the
church was born, the first fruits of the New Covenant in a different
sense, and again happening on the very day when the late first fruits
offering was being made.  There is a very real sense in which Christ
and His church are the first fruits under the New Covenant, and if
this is the case, then we, our lives, our possessions, and everything
that we are already are the first fruits.  We do not give a portion
as the first fruits, we give our all as the first fruits.

Shalom,

Lon Mendelsohn
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:28:58 -0500
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Notes from Pascal

Hi all:

Remember back during my first appearance, when I posted the story of
Blaise Pascal's conversion?  Well, I've been reading more of him
lately, and I thought some of you might be interested in some of
these thoughts of his:  (From The Mind on Fire)

  "Why is it that a lame man does not annoy us in the way a lame
mind does?  Is it not because a lame man recognizes that we are
walking straight, while a lame mind assumes we are all limping?
Were it not for this distortion we would feel sorry for him
rather than angry."

  "Curiosity is merely a form of vanity [or as Bernard of Clairvaux
pointed out, curiosity is the first degree of pride].  Usually we
only want to know about things in order to be able to talk about
them.  Otherwise, we might venture on a sea voyage without ever talking
about it, merely for the pleasure of seeing without any prospect of
being able to tell people what we have seen."

  "Every man is for himself, and with his death everything is dead
for him.  That is why each of us tends to think he is everything to
everyone.  We must not judge nature simply from our own perspective
but by its own standards."

  "It is false to assume that we are worthy to be loved by others.
It is unreasonable that we should want this.  For if we were born
reasonable and impartial, with a knowledge of ourselves and of
others, we would not have this bias toward ourselves in our own
wills.  But we are born with it, and so we are born perverted.
Everything tends toward self, and this is contrary to order."

  "A trifling thing will console us because a trifling thing
upsets us."

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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