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In soc.women, traveja@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
   >concerning this "ritualistic warpaint" - make-up. I, for one, find
   >women much more attractive without their paint. I also am not alone in
   >this notion, but am supported by many other men who prefer the more
   >aesthetically pleasing "natural" look. I am pleased that you "hold
   >your ground" on this issue, but I hope to heighten your awareness by
   >interjecting that many man are more interested in what is inside a
   >woman's head instead of what is or is not on her face.

Most people prefer the "natural look" as opposed to the TammyFaye style.
However, if you look up "the natural look" in a cosmetic book you will find
that it is actually harder to achieve!  A lot of the people who think they
like a woman to look natural really do not like a blond with invisible
eyelashes or a brunette with no cheek color - they simply like makeup that
is *very* artfully applied to appear natural.  The same goes for hair that
is naturally limp but "should" be permed -- or mousy blond hair that is *so*
gorgeous with a few highlights added.  I don't color my hair or wear a lot
of makeup but I have bought our society's edict that my invisible eyelashes
*need* mascara.

As to the "in her head" bit -- if so, why are air-heads so popular?  Where
are all the men who want something in my head?  As an engineer with some
other smart women freinds, I can vouch for the fact that (on the average),
men do not appreciate much in there.  Maybe you were referring only to
personality?
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From: jordan+@pitt.edu (Kenneth D Jordan)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Pittsburgh Volleyball
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:52:51 GMT
Distribution: pa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jordan@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

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				    OPEN VOLLEYBALL

	Location:	Gateway Junior High School (Monroeville).
			Only 15-20 minutes east of Oakland / Pittsburgh.

	Elibigility:	Both individuals and teams are welcome.
			Men, Women, or Coed.
			A great place for teams to scrimmage, or for
			individuals to get some serious court time.

	Day / time:	Thursdays, 7-10 pm.

	Starting date:	September 24, 1992

	Fee:		Only $26 for 12 weeks.  Cheap!
			(6 week registration for $15 also available --
			good for any 6 weeks during the fall session.)
			(There is a one-time-per-year fee of $5 for
			non-Monroeville residents which applies to all
			programs, including the next session.)

	Miscellaneous:	This is to be clean "power" volleyball.  Ability
			levels typically range from B through AA.  There
			are 2 courts, and the gym is fairly nice.  I'd
			describe the atmosphere as "friendly competetive".
			The program resumes with a new session in January.

	Directions:	From Pittsburgh:
			Take the Parkway (376) east to the third Monroeville
			exit, which is Route 48 North.  Turn left at the first
			light (<1/4 mile), and the entrance to GJHS's parking
			lot will be immediately on your left.  The gym is at
			the back of the school, next to the track.

			From various other places:
			Or take the Turnpike (76) to Exit 6 (Pittsburgh).
			Exit onto Business Route 22 West, and make the first
			right onto Route 48 North.  Then proceed as above.

			From elsewhere:
			Contact Nick (see below).

	More details:	Contact Nick Nystrom (nick@theory.chem.pitt.edu)
			or by phone at (412)-372-1817.

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From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,soc.men
Subject: Re: Father Notification Reconsidered
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:17:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: The Immoral Minority

In article <1882qoINNi2s@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com 
(Adrienne Regard) writes:
>Now, SHE might have been respecting of her reasons.  But he doesn't have
>to be, heck no.  She just has to be respecting of him.

All of that from that anti choice-for-men Adrienne Regard.

If they had one night stand and there was a birth control failure
then SHE should have the right to take him for the cleaners.

If they are married and SHE decides to abort then SHE should give
no notification for him.

I agree with feminists about this one because I respect her choice.

Adrienne demands the no choice-for-men but she is not
willing to give the respect she demands.  She just knows
that her moral values are so superior that it is perfectly
fine to enforce them on other people.

In that respect she is pretty similar to the anti abortion guys.
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: 27 reasons why women (1)
X-To: DAN WELCH
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:13:00 GMT

dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes...
DW> The following editorial appeared in Glamour magazine recently.  I am
DW> interested in finding out people's reactions to it -- whether they think
DW> it's true, etc.


DW>         27 Reasons We Like Men Just the Way They Are
DW>         [ reprinted w/o permission; no author given ]

DW> Sure, we wish certain men would pack a bag check into the Room for
DW> Improvement.  Sure, woemn might have handled the last couple of milennia
DW> a little differently if we'd been in charge.  But in general, we're
DW> very, very fond of men.  We think of them as the opposite, not the
DW> opposing, sex; we believe that basically they're more like us than they
DW> are different.  And while we find some of the differences troubling,
DW> others are worthy of a hearty _vive_la_!


Well, it's just "a little" patronising, or should I say, matronising, but all
in all, it's rather humorous...

Mind you, it was also *quite* sterotypical (for instance...I *hate* it when
she picks at my desert after just declining to order it...aaargh!!!).  :-)

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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:41:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Women are inferior
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.women



	  There are only two kinds of people.....

	  those that start flame wars....

	  and those that don't.



	  -Mike-  (hi Vicky!)
				  ~
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician)
Subject: Re: Women are inferior
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 10:11:31 GMT
Organization: Society for the Preservation of E. coli

I've got it!

It's a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman!

No...wait...Julie Andrews already did that.....

-- 
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Hating Men with Full Force
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:40:28 GMT
Distribution: na

susan larsen writes
+ In article <1992Aug24.225136.8890@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>  
bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
+ >
+ >Also, there is absolutely *nothing* like the organized politcial and  
directed
+ >male bashing that we see in politics today from the homosexual male front
+ >(or the non-homosexual male front, for that matter).  There aren't any  
male
+ >McKinnon's or Dworkins (IMO).
+ 
+ I wouldn't be too sure about that!  On the purely censorious front, we have 
+ Donald Wildmon, Jerry Falwell, and a host of other religious-types more 
+ than willing to do whatever it takes to not only censor, but punish folks
+ involved in pornography.

Sorry, I canna resist:

I wouldn't be too sure about that!  On the purely censorious front, we have 
Andrea Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, and a host of other feminist-types more 
than willing to do whatever it takes to not only censor, but punish folks
involved in pornography.
 
+ As for gender-bashing, I would equate the legal attempts of a McKinnon or 
+ Dworkin with that of a Bush or Quayle, those two great Republican leaders
+ who would do all they could to force women back to hearth and home. In 
+ fact
+ Mckinnon and Dworkin are less scary gender-bashers because they don't have 
+ a say on who the next Supreme Court appointee will be.

That may be so, but...SC appointees are approved by the Senate Judiciary
committee, with such leading lights as Bidden and Kennedy. So I suspect,
since abortion will be used as a litmus test, that further Bush appointees
will be middle-of-the-road. Any Clinton appointees will most assuredly be
pro-abortion.

These guys are politicians - they will do whatever it takes to keep 
their polls high and get reelected.

M&D, on the other hand, have no such considerations. They'll keep 
hammering away with their legislative efforts in the hopes that sooner
or latter one of their bills will pass Constitutional review. They
*believe* in what they're doing.

And you know what? I betcha they'll eventually succeed. Maybe in another
10 years, but succeed they will.

K'Char
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Shooting in the Courthouse: Why?
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:18:25 GMT
 <1992Aug26.042447.14746@midway.uchicago.edu> <718@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: rivero

> In article <1992Aug26.042447.14746@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.131512.8740@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>>	A man who walks into a courtroom for a divorce is no more than
>>>	a common criminal with no rights.
>>
>>Which is why, on average, men's standard of living improves after divorce,
>>while women's standard of living declines.
>>

  Having just attended a meeting of The Parent Connection here in Los
Angeles, I've discovered that the maltreatment of fathers from false
allegations of abuse is even worse than I thought. Compared to most
of the men at last nights meeting, I got off lucky. However, having heard
several dozen horror stories worthy of a Stephen King treatment, I'm
going to "hurl the defy" on this one. Just who claims that  on average, men's
standard of living improves after divorce, while women's standard of 
living declines. Where is the provenance? And does that assessment still
hold when their pre-marital living standards are adjusted for?

  Talk's cheap. Where's the hard data?


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz)
Subject: Re: Censorship, perhaps?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:58:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.224408.11289@leland.Stanford.EDU>
farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>
>Well, if it bothers you when someone proclaims that all men are
>potential rapists, why doesn't it bother you when someone proclaims
>that all feminists are man-haters?

Perhaps because there's an enormous difference between criticism
based on political affiliation, and criticism based on some utterly
irrelevant, ineluctable personal feature.  It's not all feminists,
just those who can't tell the difference, who give the movement a
bad name.
;-)

-S. Schultz
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: step-parable (was: Re: Am I a grandfather? You be the judge.)
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:28:56 GMT

In article <73740005@hpsad.sad.hp.com> sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen) writes:
>In soc.women, colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:
>
>>   I'm a step-father to (among others) a 23 year old (female) that recently
>>   had a baby (girl). So my question is: Am I a grandfather, step-grandfather,
>>   or what?
>>   You'll probably say that I'm a grandfather, so maybe I should put it this
>>   way, what do you tell a child that has four grandfathers AND four
>>   grandmothers? 
>
>In today's society, there are more children who have step-relatives than
>there are who don't.  When my oldest was 4 (now 16), he felt he was
>disadvantaged because he only had one dad and so many of the kids in his
>preschool had 2.  Unfortunately, a child with 4 grandmas is the norm.  There
>are fewer children with 2 or 6 or 3.

Except that this doesn't appear to be the norm everywhere.  Both in 
Colorado and Oklahoma, the two states where I've spent the majority
of my life, the norm is the old-fashioned, one-set-of-parents family.
Single parent families and second-marriage families are not uncommon,
but they're not even close to being the majority where I've lived.

Of course, we here in the middle of the country are used to being
ignored when people talk about "society".  A recent example I found
amusing was when some Calf. TV stations shifted their late-night
news from 11:00 PM to 10:00 PM.  This was sufficient to make the
network evening news for a couple of days.  No mention was made that
this schedule has been in place for those of us who live in between
the coasts for decades.

Steve Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com

Newsgroups: soc.women
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: Hating Men with Full Force
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:03:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.191959.3805@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu> bev@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Beverly Huntsberger) writes:

someone writes:
)>> i think you'd better check out the word "mysogyny" a bit closer
)>> as it's not found in: webster's ii  new riverside university
)>> dictionary nor is it found in the: seiko insterments  word power professional.
)>> but at least you gave it the ol collage try,,,boy.

)	Yeah, but... but... what about his:
)
)	 "seiko insterments  word power professional" ???  (lord ;)

My seiko spell checker doesn't find the correct spelling for mysogyny
either.  It only offers 'musician' as a possible misspelling.  But it _does_
have misogyny in its internal dictionary if you type it in correctly.

This is either a poor algorithm, a bug, or a conspiracy on the part of
the Japaneese, take your pick.......

Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.sex.wizards
From: dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: How to relieve menstural cramp
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<1992Sep3.150057.23469@dragon.acadiau.ca>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:53:50 GMT

A friend of mine says that large doses of Vitamin C virtually stopped
hers completely.

   --Dave.


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From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Grandparents' Rights/48 Hours
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:19:30 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

>I would appreciate it if you see a local news story on Grandparents'
>Rights that you annotate it and post it.  I want personal stories, I
>want to give the folks at 48 Hours something real, something sincere
>and something important to think about.  I'm not the only person out
>there who has been through this, I know that.  And I want the people
>throughout this country to be aware of what is happening and how it
>desperately needs to be changed.
When I was in high school, my older brother was in the military.  His
wife and son lived with us.  My mother, sister, and I were very close
to my nephew.  We worked hard at teaching him and caring for him.  I
have not seen him since he was 6 years old eventhough he is now in his
20s.  We get occasional news because his maternal grandmother lives in
the same town as my mother and they have enough common aquaintances that
we end up finding out when he graduates, etc.  There are no words to
describe the loss that we feel by losing contact.  I had hoped that we
would be reunited when he was older -- but I doubt if he remembers us
anymore.  We never even had an address we could write to or send pictures
to, let alone get information back.
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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion
Subject: Missed Opportunity....
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:53:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: wetware.1992Sep4.195336.1707
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:

] kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes...
] JK>  will nor force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.  A man can
] JK>  not be deprived of his children until they are born.            ^^^^^^^^^
]      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
] 
] I really wish that this were true, Janice.  And don't try to tell this to
] a couple who has had a miscarriage, because they too, like me, feel every
] bit like they lost a *child*, not "a lump of cells".


I know what you mean.

when I was growing up my father dragged us around the world
to all sorts of places, and to things like politically unstable
countries where they changed governments by force of arms...

God I really wish that I could have had a childhood just like
the one's on Nick_at_Nite where 'Father Knows Best" and we
could "leave it to beaver" and there were no missed opportunities.

ciao
drieux

ps: small clue - things that are not yet are not yet.
their potential to become something is there, but they
are not yet that which they might become. Thus the loss
of that which is not yet is NOT the loss of the 'thing_in_itself'
but the loss of the 'thing_in_its_potential_to_become.'

eg: you could have been born a man, to become distraught
that you did not become a man does not mean that you 
should bewail your lack of masculinity.


-- 
If I have Told You Once, I've Told You a Thousand Times:
To Keep Good Girls From Going Bad,
Put them back in the Refrigerator.
This Also Works for Stale NFS Handles.
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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.child-support
Subject: Re: Shooting in the Courthouse: Why?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:49:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.women
Distribution: usa

Ted Frank blithers:

+ In article <1992Aug25.131512.8740@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan  
Yasutovich) writes:
+ >	A man who walks into a courtroom for a divorce is no more than
+ >	a common criminal with no rights.
+ 
+ Which is why, on average, men's standard of living improves after divorce,
+ while women's standard of living declines.

Think about it for a minute. When going from:

His salary + her salary - 1 house - food/necessities = X

to:

His salary - his house - food/necessities - support = Y
Her salary - her house - food/necessities + support = Z

Z is less than Y, and much less than X. Yes, that's true. She no longer 
gets to dispose of what is now HIS disposable income. Yep her standard
of living goes down, his goes up, and it's a damn shame that he gets
to dispose of his own disposable income.

Futher he probably has higher paying income, and she has injured her
income by (probably) not being employed before the offspring was
old enuff for day care.

Yes, a it's a damn shame that he ends up with a better standard of
living.

K'Char
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Look OUT! (was: Impos
X-To: LJF
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:28:00 GMT

farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes...
LJ> In article <10209@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
LJ> es:
LJ> >Will Steeves writes
LJ> >+ (See, LJF, we *do* agree on some things after all.  As surprising at this
LJ> >+ may seem, I *don't* hate you...  Just because we do not always agree with
LJ> >+ each other, does not make us enemies).
LJ> >
LJ> >Say, isn't this one of the signs of the Apocolypse? I know I've found
LJ> >myself agreeing lately with lots of people I *never* thought I would...
LJ> >
LJ> >The end is near!!!

LJ> And damn, I missed it!!  My modem died, Steeves is in my killfile,

Oh yes, I forgot about that little technicality... He decided to take it
personally when I foolishly attempted to intervene in his argument with
Aaron Hoffmeyer without realising the full scope of their blood feud :-).

Silly newbie mistakes....

Mind you, Charles (or do you prefer K'Char or Char?), if you *really* want him
to see my messages, and the fact that I am not "out to get him," you could
always reply to my posts to him, quoting the entire message.  :-)  My messages
aren't usually that long, anyway.


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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: FEMALE GYMNASTS
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:38:04 GMT
Distribution: na

william.tw0mey writes

+ into gymnastics.  Isn't it more fitting to compare children in coal
+ mines to children in gymnastics, than it is to compare children in coal
+ mines to teenagers and young adults in gymnastics?

Hardly.

In the coal mines, esp. 100+ years ago:

Death by:

work related lung disease [which killed my great grandfather]
explosion 
mine collapse
rock falls
falling
equipment failure

Please fill in the gymnasts list. And unless I'm mistaken, only boys
and men worked the mines.

K'Char