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From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: hey SCUM: JEWS & USTASE
Followup-To: alt.flame
Date: 2 Oct 1992 00:02:36 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Q. 'Is this really necessary?'  A. 'No.'

In article <s924819.718004595@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> 
s924819@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Stuart Vincent Davison) writes
(using the term 'writes' loosely...) :

>hearing a jewish animal... lowlife such as yourself really makes me vomit
>
>we had the chance to rid ourselves of you scum50 years ago..but no...

[racial, scatological, and biologically impossible expletives deleted]

This person is obviously not a Mu'min....

I've taken the opportunity to re-direct this 'writing' to
alt.flame.  I hope nobody minds....

-AQ
From: U38017@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Edward Wiener, Serbian ass kisser
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:26:29 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


Dear Edward,

Thank you for kissing my ass and ass of my regime.
Maybe you would accept money as a sign of my appreciation.
You came from bancropt Russia so it must be money interest you.
Pick up your check at Panic's office in CA. You are doing
a great job by defending our cetniks, our beloved animals.
I am also amazed how you love Serbs eventhough we killed a
lot of Jews in IIWW. Your brain is zestfuly clean.
I am happy that I can continue my barbaric policy thanks to
people like you.

Slobodan Milosevic - Slobo, president of barbaric, fascist and mentaly ill
                            republic of serbia
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: delegation meeting report summary from bosnia-herzegina
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:48:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <BvBp0x.8yp@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T M
inhas) writes:

>We used to be a people, brother Nabeel, far away from Islam, we thought if we
>hide, not necessarily deny, our Islamic identity, then we could get the
>benefits of being in community with Europe, but Europe has proven to us that
>they don't care....
>Brothers and sisters, mufti sarich is right, Europeans do not care, not because
>we practice Islam; we do not practice Islam. Simply because Bosnian Muslim
>said "la-ilaha illa-allah, muhammadan rasul-allah" that is all. And brothers
>and sisters if a group of people is attacked for that reason, then you are
>attacked as well. The muslim nation is one nation, there is no pakistani, no
>lebanese, no turkish, no saudi, no malay, no iranian, no indonesian, in
>the muslim nation. we are one qaum, one millat....

Assalammualaikum and hello as well!  What brother Zafar mentioned is exactly
true.  The Bosnian muslims from what I heard are not any different from any
other muslims around the world, still very far from practising Islam as a
whole.  Yet, the non-believers still want to remove them from the Europe.
There is no secret about that.  Moreover, they are tortured, abused and killed
or even burnt alive.  This exactly what has been told in the Quranul Karim.
Allah says in Al-Buruj:

    By one that witness and the subject of the witness, woe to the makers of
    the pit (of fire); fire supplied with fuel.  Behold!  They sat over
    against the (fire) and they witnessed (all) that were doing against the
    believers.  And they ill-treated them FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY
    BELIEVED IN ALLAH, Exalted in Power, Worthy of All Praise!

    Him to whom belongs the heavens and the earth!  And Allah is the Witness
    to all things.  Those who persecute the believers, men and women, and they
    do not turn in repentance, WILL HAVE THE PENALTY OF HELL; THEY WILL HAVE
    THE PENALTY OF THE BURNING FIRE!
                                                                (85: 3-10)

Hibatur Rahman Ahmad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Raja i Papci - last
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:28:57 GMT

In article <Oct.1.16.18.23.1992.21113@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
>
>There are millions of YUGOSLAVS like me... and millions of those who have
>forced themselves to devide their own souls and become just ONE of the
>nationalities they also belong to. These people will never be able
>to live in peace with themselves (that is called schizophrenia in psychology)
>and will be sick for years. And if you can live with that: so be it! I am
>just sorry for all the children who will have to grow up in such "liberated"
>countries like Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Monte Negro, Slovenia, Macedonia...
>where you will have to be suspicious of everyone whose name looks like
>maybe THEIRS, where there are MINORITIES with different rights, where
>there are checkpoints on every step you take.... THAT has a simple name:
>fascism!

Dear Ana,

in general you are right, but nor World neither ex-Yugoslavia is that
uniform. Just putting everybody in the same basket doesn't work. There
are differences and there _were_ differences among these peoples and
it is time to acknowledge this. Hence the generalization of
"liberation", you wrote about, is, in my opinion, completely
unacceptable.

With the best regards,

Andrej


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Bosnia and the Muslims of the world
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:46:22 GMT

I have a couple of questions here. They are very much sincere, and
please take them as such.

In article <1992Oct2.192138.10105@usl.edu> zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar) writes:
>
>       Brothers, even if the so called Islamic governments donot respond
>       true believers surely will. 

Do you respond on this horrible disaster because the victims are
Muslims or because they are human beings? Would you respond if they
were not Muslims?

Thanx a lot for the answer,

Sincerely

Andrej

PS: For some hot-headed readers, there is no adverb "only" above.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Bosnian forces shut down 4 Yugoslav planes
Supersedes: <92271.165415U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 27 Sep 1992 17:11:50 CDT
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>


Bosnian radio in Chicago (every Saturday 3:30pm-4:30pm, 750AM, news on
English and Bosnian) reported that Bosnian forces shut down 4 Yugoslav
jet fighters. 3 planes have been shut down while attacking an industrial
complex in Velika Kladusa in north-western Bosnia and Hercegovina and one more
has been shut down around the city of Brcko in nort-eastern part of republic.

Share and enjoy

   ------------
   |\ \*   *  |    LONG LIVE INDEPENDENT
   |* \ \     |
   |  * \ \ * |  BOSNIA AND HERCEGOVINA !!!
    \   * \ \/
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Stop crying Yugophiles
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 06:30:26 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

<U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:

> I have been reading a couple of articles in here in which people advocate
> a re-united Yugo. I DON'T THINK SO!. Croatia, Slovenia, and BiH are
> internationally recognized counrites with full membership in the U.N..
> I do not see a re-united Yugo ever. The "Prison of Nations" has persecuted it
> last nation. We have chosen our destiny by declaring independence from Yugo,
> and if anything gets re-united, it will be a confederation of BiH and
> Croatia.
> 
>           ___________
>           |\  *   *  |
>           |  \       |      Zivila nezavisna Hrvatska i
>           | *  \  *  |                       Bosna-Hercegovina!!!
>           |      \   |
>           | *   *  \ |
>           ------------

Bravo !           May God curse all of those who wish to
reunite the Serbo-Yugo-Slavia !!!

Bog i Hrvati

        Za Dom Spremni !!

--
damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
From: U43587@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: THE BOSNIAN EXTREMIST
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:35:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92272.113520U43587
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

As an ardent supporter of Ante Pavelic, I believe that THE solution
to the Bosnian crisis is to tale ALL the Serbs and relocate them into
Serbia. Truman and the allies moved 11 million Germans from Eastern Europe into
Germany ate the end of WWII. Why can't we do it to the 2 million Serbs living
in the "contested " areas of Croatia and Bosnia? Then we could rule Bosnia
and Croatia like our proglavnik would have wanted.

Za dom spremni!

-Chicago Bosnian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.pakistan
From: aj3u@larch.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Subject: Re: Report on Mujahideen in Bosnia
Followup-To: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:25:28 GMT

> Quite noble of Pakistan
> to help out this way, I would think, given the overwhelming
> natural disaster it has just endured.  Aren't the cash-rich Arabs
> helping Bosnia out ?
> 

Before we smugly snicker at the Arabs let us pause for a moment
to appraise how completely inconsequential the Pakistani aid
truly is.

The Bosnians are being butchered, while we have a standing fleet
of F-16s --- standing idle.  Obviously some would consider direct
intervention to be national suicide: these are the realists
amongst us.  But when our attitude towards a group of Muslims
facing certain genocide is tainted with so much circumspection
and realism we are hardly in a position to snicker at anyone.

I wonder how many years in Hell each one of those F-16s will cost
each Pakistani.

Asim.
From: stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: hey SCUM: JEWS & USTASE
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:29:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct2.092941.16008
Organization: Harvard University Science Center



This should go to alt.forgeries.
Anyway, I am glad to see that some Croats got so desperate
with Mr. Wiener's postings that they decided to risk a legal action
by Mr. Davison, who probably has no idea about this.


In article <s924819.718004595@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s924819@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Stuart Vincent Davison) writes:
>
>		Ustasha crap deleted
>


Milan N. Stojanovic

P.S. This posting goes along with Pres. Tudjman's book.  He claims,
to reiterate once more, that Jews were doing the killings together 
with Croatian Ustashas in Jasenovac. Of course, noone else, except 
people who voted for him on Croatian elections ( 54% of votes, correct 
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From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Bosnia and the Muslims of the world
Date: 4 Oct 1992 23:38:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Answers to a couple of questions....

In article <BvLt5B.JJ1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca writes:

>I have a couple of questions here. They are very much sincere, and
>please take them as such.

That is my normal policy....

>Do you respond on this horrible disaster because the victims are
>Muslims or because they are human beings? 

Because they are human beings.  Specifically because they're being
massacred.

>Would you respond if they
>were not Muslims?

Yes, although I would give priority to the muslims first.  (I
can't be everywhere at once....)  Most of the 'relief work' I do
here in the U.S. is with Kafirs (Unbelievers) simply because
they're more plentiful in my locality and they need more help.

Please keep in mind that these opinions are only for me,
personally.  I can't speak for others.

-AQ

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar)
Subject: Re: Bosnia and the Muslims of the world
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:37:14 GMT

In article <BvLt5B.JJ1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>I have a couple of questions here. They are very much sincere, and
>please take them as such.
>
>In article <1992Oct2.192138.10105@usl.edu> zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar) writes:
>>
>>       Brothers, even if the so called Islamic governments donot respond
>>       true believers surely will. 
>
>Do you respond on this horrible disaster because the victims are
>Muslims or because they are human beings? Would you respond if they
>were not Muslims?
>

The Quran says
                "Muslim men and muslim women are protecting friends unto
                 each other. They enjoin good and forbid wrong. And they 
                 believe in Allah."

My answer to your above question is that I support the Bosnion muslims
because Allah commands in the Quran to help the muslims in times of need.

As regards your second question the answer is as follows.

The Quran says
                 "Let not the hatred of people incite you to act inequitibily,
                  act equitibly and that is nearer to piety. Allah is aware of
                  all things."

Even if the people of Bosnia were non muslims I would have surely supported
them without any reservations. Because a muslim is required to be uphold
justice even if it be against his own kith and kin (I dont remember the verse
from the Quran which explicitly mentions this).

As an aside, I would like to mention that I come from a non-muslim country
and there are some "muslim" countries bordering my country. I am often 
asked whether I would fight against the "muslim" country if there is a war
with it. My answer to this question has been always this. "I will be with
the just".


>Thanx a lot for the answer,
>
Sure. 

>Sincerely
>
>Andrej
>
>PS: For some hot-headed readers, there is no adverb "only" above.

Regards,

Zafar
(Slave of Allah)
From: condic@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: USTASHA GENOCIDE
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:01:20 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

If you love the truth, Good Morning!
 If you do not, no human communication is possible!

NO MORE LIES--Reposting #27

"To claim that ca. 700,000 [Serbs] were killed in the
concentration camp at Jasenovac is pure nonsense. One has
to ask oneself: How could it have been possible, when
within the borders of today's Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina
there were ca. 1,966,000 Serbs in 1941, and 1,610,000
in 1948--and this in spite of many migrations and many
killings not attributable to the ustasha?"
--Dr. Bogoljub Kocovic, World War II Victims in Yugoslavia,
(in Serbian), Veritas Foundation Press, London, 1985, p. 54.

-- 
************************************************************
ANYONE CAN HAVE AN OPINION ON ANYTHING,INSTANTANEOUSLY! BUT,
OPINIONS, AS SUCH, ARE GENERALLY WORTHLESS, UNLESS THEY ARE
WELL-GROUNDED ON SOUND EVIDENCE AND VALID ARGUMENTS! J.CONDIC,
E-MAIL:CONDIC@GW:WMICH.EDU;GEN.STUDIES,WMU,KALAMAZOO,MI 49008
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Percentage of Muslims
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:59:11 GMT

Stevan Vidic (stevan@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu) writes:
>His Excellency Muhamed Sacirbey is an American citizen, who does not speak
>Serbo-Croat and has not lived in B&H.  How's that for facts and credentials?
>Therefore, why should I believe him and not Mr. Radovan Karadzich, President
>of the Serbian Republic, who said that the number of Serbs fighting on the
>Muslim side is truly negligible.

I know nothing of this Mr. Sacirbey, so I shall neither defend
nor attack him. However, Radovan Karadzic is harly any person
I would ascribe any credibility at all. Particularly not if he
is talking of something is likely to not have very good information
on, namely the composition of the enemy's forces. And certainly
you wouldn't expect him to admit that are Serbs fighting against
him, would you?

Fact is that there are Serbs fighting against Karadzic, as you
occassionally can witness through newspapers reports. Then whether
need one, two, three, four, five or six figures to write their
numbers is another issue I don't want to make any statements about.

>The most prominent of them (and often quoted in support of that idea)
>is Mr. Jovo Divjak, a criminal who chose an alliance
>with the Muslims to avoid incarceration in a Serbian prison.

Why is he criminal? Because he chose to work with the Muslims?
Or if Serbia is really that picky about criminals, why is Arkan
running free?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Raja i Papci
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:27:28 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <Sep.26.02.03.37.1992.15057@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:

>"Raja" - a turkish word designating non-turkish inhabitants of the
>territories under the Ottoman Empire. Usually poor, disempowered,
>peasants who didn't have any great if any rights. Consequently,
> "raja" is "us" the people. In this context, comming from the
>citizens of the besieged Sarajevo, "raja" are the helpless
>inhabitants who do not have any power to decide about their
>own life and death. "Raja" are the victims, the "good guys".


Maybe one has to clarify the past here. In the Ottoman period, until
the late 19th century (where BiH/Serbia/.. separated already) Turk
meant the poor peasantry of Anatolia, and often the Turkomans. There
was no concept of privileged Turks, as the Bosnians were the
intellectual class in the empire and the Albanians the army officers
in disproportionate numbers. The greatest Vazeer of the Ottoman
History is Muhamed Sokolovich [Pasha], who raised the Ottoman power to
peak, and as you may guess he is not from Anatolia. In parts of our
history there are instances such as the Serbian soldiers of fortune
brought to Anatolia to crush and destroy the uprising Avsar tribes,
who are Turks. I can face the word Ottoman may be considered negative,
particularly by non-Muslim BiH's, as it is sometimes in Turkey

Sarajevo had one of the finest works of [populist] Islamic
architecture before the war, as it used to be a centre for peace and
tranquility - in the line of ancient Islamic civilizations. By its
failure, the World shall lose the last of cities in the line of
ancient Baghdad, the Spanish Granada, and the cosmopolit cities of the
Ottoman Empire before the French revolution. 

Let us pray that the hundreds of thousands of Bosnian civilians of
all sides do not perish in the Bosnian winter - if they can escape
from the ethnic cleansing.

Kutluk
From: stojanov@husc9.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Percentage of Muslims
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:37:33 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Sep26.205911.23761@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>
>>The most prominent of them (and often quoted in support of that idea)
>>is Mr. Jovo Divjak, a criminal who chose an alliance
>>with the Muslims to avoid incarceration in a Serbian prison.
>
>Why is he criminal? Because he chose to work with the Muslims?
>Or if Serbia is really that picky about criminals, why is Arkan
>running free?

Well, Divjak was an army officer.  He was accused and brought in 
for arms dealings to _all_ sides in conflict, by then still Yu army.
He managed to run away and then he joined the other side, he had nowhere else
to go.
BTW, Arkan served for everything he was caught, so he was a criminal ( not 
that I like him ). 

>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
>There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...

What happened to Serbian Macedonians 8-) ?

regards,


Milan
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Malenovic Nikola V.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Bosnia's recent successes
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:26:02 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep28.033433.5979@latcs1.lat.oz.au> keserovi@ipc2.lat.oz.au (Goran Keserovic) writes:
 >In article <20733@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Malenovic Nikola V.) writes:
 >>
 >>without going into discussion of what Serbian gov' did lately in the frame
 >>of economics, I would like to ask Goran to show the 'wealth' of Belgrade
 >>which can not be found in other cities within the borders of what used to be
 >>Yugoslavia... ah, BTW, we can start talking about Neum and other 'resorts'
 >>along the Croatian coast and elsewhere as well...
 >>
 >>Nik

 >  Well, for example "white goods" (gorenje) made in Slovenia.
 >  Massive tourism from Croatia.
 >  Food exports from Croatia - Podravka, Kras etc.
 >  Shipbuilding in Croatia.
 >  Arms manufacture in Bosnia.
 >  -Goran

but the 'massive tourism' is in Croatia, not Belgrade, the 'white goods' are
in Slovenia not in Belgrade (besides it is well known that Slovenian goods
were so god damn expencive that everybody complained about it....)

so I see no 'wealth' that Belgrade had and deprived other cities from having
such 'wealth'.

The only argument I can buy is that Belgrade was the capital city, hence
having most of the administration living in BG (hence all those expencive
resident on 'Dedinje'...). But then again, Belgrade is no different that any
other Western Europe capital.

Nik
--
From: haq@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (haq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Report on Mujahideen in Bosnia
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:20:56 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BvG9BJ.H04@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>In article <5699@news.duke.edu> shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) writes:
>>
>>
>>Radio Netherlands reported last pm (9/29/92) that Izzat Baig, the
>>Bosnian leader, has recently been in Pakistan shoring up support.
>>The Nawaz Sharif government has given a grant of $20 million, a
>>credit line of $10 million and $400,000 in other forms of support
>>for the Bosnian struggle.  In addition, Jamaat-e-Islami has diverted
>>its arms traffic route from Afghanistan to Bosnia, where consequently
>>many stingers and stinger-launchers have recently surfaced.  Several
>>Jamaati-e-Islami activists have also actually left for Bosnia to
>>participate in the war, much as they had done in Afghanistan.  May
>>Allah be with them.  Quite noble of Pakistan to help out this way,
>>I would think, given the overwhelming natural disaster it has
>>just endured.  Aren't the cash-rich Arabs helping Bosnia out ?
>>
>>
>>-- 
>
>Maybe individuals here and there, and some Islamic organizations, however, the
>arab governments don't give a damn. I must say howver that the amir of 
>Kuwait gave a million dollars, so maybe he is not so bad after all.
>
>zafar
>

This aid from Amir of Kuwait was probably for face saving as a week before he
had announced $2 million aid for the animals of London zoo. 

Tanveer.

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