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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Foreign people owning in Lebanon
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:47:47 GMT
Organization: UiO

In article <1992Nov04.160632.9102@eng.umd.edu> ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K.
Cheiban) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.084354.1089@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib
Wardini) writes:
>[Stuff deleted]
>>
>>Then Rached, remember how Israelis managed to possess a good part of
Palestine?
>>
>>YEs Rached they payed good money to buy land. They payed much more than what
>>the Palestinians at the time thought it was worth.
>
>This is just not correct. In 1948 the different Jewish organizations
>owned between 6 and 7 percent of the Palestinian land.
>They confiscated everything and anything they could after the 1948 war
>by enacting something called "The Law of Return" .


6-7 percent is a good deal as far as I am conerned.

and we should be careful. This is my point.

I do not want to say though that the Israelis were justified with the way they
created their homeland.

I am firmly against anybody being forbidden from returning to his/her home
where ever it is.

Occupation and terrorism are what they are and can not be justified!


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun)
Subject: Re: Foreign people owning in Lebanon
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:00:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov04.160632.9102@eng.umd.edu>
ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.084354.1089@ulrik.uio.no>
eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>[Stuff deleted]
>>
>>Then Rached, remember how Israelis managed to possess a good part of Palestine?
>>
>>YEs Rached they payed good money to buy land. They payed much more than what
>>the Palestinians at the time thought it was worth.
>
>This is just not correct. In 1948 the different Jewish organizations
>owned between 6 and 7 percent of the Palestinian land.

6 to 7 percent is considered an ``optimistic figure'' by many.

>They confiscated everything and anything they could after the 1948 war
>by enacting something called "The Law of Return" .
>Roughly speaking this said that if you weren't present in person in your
>real estate possesions between certain dates (I don't remember them exactly
>but they coincided with the war pretty much.) then your property was confiscated
>and became the property of the state of Israel.
>This was a smart move for the Israelis because:

``Smart'' is not the right word, i would say.
It is ironic how, in the Middle East, we call the wicked and unethical
``a smart move'' (Harba'a) :-)

>1- Most land was owned by very large landowners who couldn't possibly be
>on all their proprties.
>2- A lot of Palestinians had fled because of Israeli terrorism and massacres
>such as Deir Yassine.
>In other words the Palestinians were robbed of their lands.
>I believe you were misinformed and that it was an honest mistake on your part,
>but in the future please don't do the Israelis' propaganda for them. They
>are good enough at it and don't need your help.
>Check any book on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict if you don't believe what I
>said.
>[more stuff deleted]
>>elie wardini
>
>

-- 
lakum lubnanukum wa li lubnani - Gibran Khalil Gibran
George Hassoun     (ghassoun@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:41:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.151332.27585@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
> waid@elaine37.Stanford.EDU (Walid F Nasrallah) writes:
> 
>  Elie : well, is that not a good start?  Did Hariri really have to
> create a "Ministry for Tennis" for Suleiman, a "Ministry of Bathroom 
> Attendants" for Hobeika and a "Ministry for Liaisons with Syrian Jails"
> for Sami?  I think he did a brilliant job given the constraints he has
> to work under.  We don't need another martyr, and I personaly am beginning
> to see that, yes, this is the kind of man whose kids get admitted to MIT.
> (For example, if the local evil genius Hafez got this job and Saddam ran
> Syria, where do you think he would start?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Elie replies:
> 
> Well I hope Hariri has a good life insurance :-)
> 
> Regards, Elie.

do not worry elie, you can bet that he has a lot of money. moreover, most of
the lebanese people wish him the best. a very few number want him to fail
because they want to stay in power and control the sake of all lebanese.
however, those days are gone forever. the news from lebanon can be reflected
from the price of the dollar. also, check how lebanese in lebanon (not in
washington or N.J. as the Clao) feel about the hariri appointment. 
Thanks God, people are very very very comfortable with the appointment. 
be relax elie, we (lebanese) think that the new PM will do an excellent job.
A. Fardoun


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Correction (was Re: Reward)
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:08:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.124932.1401@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>>
[  ....  ]
>
>Oh! Dear oh dear, that explaints it all:   An inferiority complex!
>
>Why did not you say so from the beginning? Now, I can activate my KILL
>file knowing that I finally found out what is wrong with you.
>
[ ..... ]
>
>***This is directed to ElieM only and not to all my Orthodox countrymen to
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  whom I feel a great deal of respect and love.                           ***
>

Victor Saouma replied:

Ibrahim, you are pathetic.


	Ibrahim corrects:

			I do not know what had upset you? Is it the diagnosis
			of the desease OR the actual spread of the disease?

			To tell you the truth, I was a bit unsure about the
			situation, I thought the desease was an INFERIORITY
			COMPLEX and I thought HE IS THE ONLY ONE suffering
			from it. 

			Your reply confirmed my suspicions, he is suffering
			from a SUB_IFERIORITY COMPLEX and HE IS NOT THE ONLY
			ONE that is suffering from it, you are too?
			Or should I say, Mourad_Saouma & Co.?

Sorry all, correction was due and thanks to Victor Saouma for drawing my 
attention to the mistake.
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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: The Syrian record.
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:55:06 GMT
Organization: UiO

In article <1992Nov4.143900.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>
fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.131156.29207@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie
I. Mourad) writes:
>> 
>> From CLAO:
>> 
>> Middle East Watch, a human rights organization, issued a report that
>> Syria has begun the interrogation of 600 political prisoners who are
>> being accused of undermining state security. The organization called 
>> on Syria's president Assad to stop the proceedings and investigate
>> the defendants' claims of torture and to release thousands of other
>> prisoners, whose number is estimated at 3,800. The organization also 
>> identifies 245 "engineers, doctors, lawyers and writers... in detention
>> without formal charges." believed to be held for political reasons.
>> 
>> There was no immediate reaction from the Syrian government on this
>> report. (Washington Times Nov. 1)
>I have no problem with the above information; the only question is
>why CLAO only report about the (syrian) prisoners in syria. How about the
>lebanese prisoners in Isreal how about thiusands of lebanese prisoners in the
>KHYAM prison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! unless.................

exactly! why not bring them up too? why should we like the Hrawi gang look one
way only?

Does anyone have a fax-number or e-mail number to CLAO?

>A. Fardoun
>


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: noujaim@hsi.com (Nazih G. Noujaim)
Subject: New "RENT" law in Lebanon.
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:41:22 GMT


Does anyone know anything about a new law in Lebanon where if the renter is
not living in the house and the landlord wants the house, the landlord can
come in and live in the house even if rent is being paid.

If anyone has any details on this new law, can you E-mail any info. The
latest I heard was that it was passed sometime in august and the renter has
6 month to move back to the house otherwise the landlord can take the house
back.

thanks

Nazih
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Senators on Lebanon (Part I)
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <1992Nov10.221310.7694@ryn.mro4.dec.com> tabbara@3d.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov10.205727.20393@trl.oz.au>, faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:

[.....]
>
>Sen. Kennedy is now married to a an American woman who is
>of Lebanese origin (family name is Reggy ?? maybe Rajji). So maybe his
>search has ended ;-) 
>
Yes, he is married to a lady called Victoria Rajji. She is a lawyer and her
father Edmond is a retired Judge. She was married before and had two children.

Her family as well as herself are well off ($millions) she is 38 and she is 
very beautiful (Wavy black hair, sharp eyes...).

>Khaled
>


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* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:42:29 GMT

In article <92315.231733U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> U38065@uicvm.uic.edu (Nasri)
writes:
>I am not an excpert in the arabic language, but what is in common between
>Shahed (witness) and Shaheed.

The terms shaahid and shahiid are related and not just so in Arabic.

In Aramaic, seemingly under influence from Greek, the term is "saahed" and
martyrdom = "sahduutha".

In Greek the term "MARTYR" means a witness as well as a "martyr". From here the
Syriac/ Aramaic has its term for martyr derived from the word to witness:
"s.h.a.dh".

It is commonly accepted that Arabic did the same vis a vis Aramaic as Aramaic
did vis a vis Greek. Arabic took its term for witness and used it for martyr
following the adjectival pattern: fa@iil (like kabiir, Dariir, majiid etc.)

by the way the Arabic word sh.h.d is etymologically related to the aramaic word
s.h.d

>By the way, when you say that shaheed is an islamic term and not arabic,
>eventhough it has been used by the arabs over all to mean any one who dies
>in the names of his/her believes, you are scaring the christian who say that
>they are not accepted as arabs because they are not muslims.
>
>So no wonder that many christians denounce their being arabs when people like
>you say that an ARABIC word used by christians is a muslim term.

You are right for some Xtians. But not all. It is not so that many Xtians
distance themselves from Arabs because there is something in Arabism that they
dislike. It is more like saying I am not Iranian nor Turkish, nor Greek nor
Italian. It does not mean that I hate them or that I want to distance myself
from them.

THe difference though, is that Arabs do not seem to accept that, and want to
insist that we should "BE" Arabs.

>_According to the christian faith there were to be NO prophets after Jesus
Chri
>st and therefore, Mohammad was not a prophet.  And the Islamic religion is
base
>d on the Judeo-christian religion.

This is not true. Jesus the son of God, told us that there will come many false
prophets. Yet in the New Testament we are told not to shun prophecy. THis means
that we shold not say that there will not be any prophets after Jesus, but we
should learn to discern between false and true prophets.

By the way, Jesus was not a prophet. Jesus is the son of God, God become man.
Jesus is God and not a prophet.

>
>Sorry if I offended anyone, but the points that I brought about the Christian
>vs Islamic religion, were brought from a very fundamentalist point.  I was
>being the devil's advocate.

Nasri, it good to discuss, no reason to be offended  :-)

>
>Nasri


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: Threat!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 4 days, 11 hours, 56 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.202938.28008@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes...
>In article <8NOV199209490440@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu> 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov8.122516.21816@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes...
>>
> 
>>  I don't know about the UK, but in the US, free speech is protected by the
>>constitution, and this law is actively upheld.
>>
>>
>>
>If you fail to understand that I am trying to ease the situation between myself
>and ElieM through a joke "a la western" since he lives there after the past 
>wave of flames on SCL, then (you and the overzealots) lighten up please.

>Anyway, thank you for drawing my attention to your law. I will certainly keep 
>your threats in mind.

  It seems I totally missed the point of your post:

  I hereby present you my sincerest apologies

>>alex                      -from Speaker's Corner of Hyde Park in Houston, TX
>>                           not from Khyam or Anjar

>I. Ballouz                 -from the original Speaker's Corner of Hyde Park,UK
>                            not from the cells of the "Al Majliss al harbi"
>                            or the "vaults of the convent of Aoukar".


                             That was uncalled for.
alex
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Marcel Khalife
Organization: UiO
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:31:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.195008.20611@csi.uottawa.ca> wsaba@csi.UOttawa.CA (Walid
Saba) writes:
>I just saw Marcel in Ottawa (couple of weeks back) and he was just 
>amazing. His new music, and his well-known responsible message of
>true love of country, humanity, and just causes were self evident.
>
>He impressed the people from our part of the world as well as Canadians
>and other nationals. He's someone that makes us proud.
>


You see Marcel, but we sledom see you!!!  :)

kiifak ya Walid?

elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Israeli raid kills four Muslim guerrillas
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:18:38 GMT
X-Note: This article was automatically cross-posted to soc.culture.lebanon

[ Article cross-posted without permission ]
	RASAHYA, Lebanon (UPI) -- Israeli warplanes attacked Muslim rebel
bases Sunday in Syrian-patrolled eastern Lebanon, killing at least four
guerrillas and wounding six, security and militia sources said.
	Three U.S.-made F-16 jets dropped at least eight rockets on three
bases of the Islamic Resistance Movement, the military arm of the pro-
Iranian Hezbollah group, near the village of Ein El Tineh in
southwestern Bekaa Valley, security sources said.
	Four guerrillas were killed and six others were wounded, the sources
said.
	The warplanes were backed by three other F-16 jets and dropped heat-
seeking ballons while flying further north over the central sector of
the Bekaa Valley, they said.
	A Hezbollah information spokesman confirmed the raid but said the
warplanes attacked the vicinity of Ein El Tineh. The spokesman said
unconfirmed reports indicated two people were wounded, but failed to
give further details.
	This was the 38th Israeli air strike into Lebanon this year. On Oct.
26, Israel staged a series of air, ground and naval attacks against
Hezbollah and Palestinian positions in southern, eastern and northern
Lebanon to avenge the killing of five of its soldiers and stop guerrilla
attacks against its positions.
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Hariri accuses Hezbollah
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:00:13 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


Rumors have it that Hariri is accusing Hezbollah of setting
up various brush fires in the Maten area of Lebanon.
Several villages had to be evacuated.

Regards, Elie.
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Not worth my time (was Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?))
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:23:54 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:

Yes, there is nothing he needs you can offer. He does not need hatred, 
                               ---
resentment, cynicism, sarcasm, bitterness, betrayal and above all BLOOD LETTING.

[...]

Are not having enough laugh already? I mean after your enormous success in 
                                                  ----
crushing our people, our economy, destroying the homes, making a 1/3rd of the 
         ---         ---               
population refugees...after you had stolen the laugh from the good people of
                            ---                  
our country, you must have been having for ages now.
---          ---

Elie replies (with usual wisdom and patience):

Mr. Ballouz YOUR reply is absolutely pathetic. I do not have to take such
nonesense from you. 
I consider this discussion not worth my time. 

Regards, Elie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: The Syrian record.
Organization: UiO
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:40:16 GMT

In article <4305@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Salam) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.143900.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>
fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>
>>I have no problem with the above information; the only question is
>>why CLAO only report about the (syrian) prisoners in syria. How about the
>>lebanese prisoners in Isreal how about thiusands of lebanese prisoners in the
>>KHYAM prison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! unless.................
>
>
>CLAO might issue other reports on other similar situations that occur
>in the Middle East.  The most important issue here, and which we should
>consider, is that such information (even though it is regarding Syria)
>carries importance to people who are familiar with and sensitive to the
>situation and appreciate updated information (since it is not publicized
>in the country itself), and interest to those who may not be aware of the
>situation.
>
>I understand and respect your position, but we should be thankful instead
>of analyzing or criticizing it.  We should support each other and be
>sensitive to each other's needs and concerns.

Anisa at her best! Thanks Anisa.

we should not ignore one wrong because of another.

I still would like to see more on Israel in these CLAO reports.

>B'khatrak -
>Anisa
>
>

elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: CLAO on pres-elect Clinton
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:05:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Nov8.150531.17039
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


The Council of Lebanese American Organizations (CLAO) congratulates 
Governor Bill Clinton for his election as President of the United States.
The Council has openly and actively supported and campaigned for the
Clinton/Gore ticket mainly through its member organization, the American
Lebanese Committee for Bill Clinton.

CLAO believes that President-Elect Bill Clinton will offer a foreign
policy that is coherent, firm and infused with democratic spirit that can
meet America's real challenges in the Middle East while reflecting
our country's highest values and ideals. The Council is hopeful that the
next administration will secure peace and freedom for Lebanon.

President-Elect Bill Clinton who cares deeply about Lebanon as expressed 
during his recent meeting with Dr. Imad Hage, CLAO's Government Affairs
Committee Chairman, will hopefuly be able to return the country to the
family of free nations and will definitely not rely on the "goodwill"
of Syria to promote democracy and human rights in Lebanon. The next 
administration will seek a Lebanon free of foreign control and free from 
political oppression and domination.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Representatives
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:40:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov11.132935.12540@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>
>                                             Rep. William H. Zilff, Jr.
                                                              Zeliff

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From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: reward
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:01:15 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <1992Nov8.144742.16801@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.122516.21816@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>
>I guess the Ayatollah Ibrahim Ruhollah Ballouz has spoken. :-)
>I must admit its pretty funny. 

I wish you kept the story between you and me and left the Ayatollah alone.
I am glad you find it funny, that was the aim. I did not want to leave you on a
sad note. There has been a lot of flames between us and I did not want to keep
bad memories. 

>On the downside, probably everyone now thinks you're a nutcase.

Just let everyone thinks for himself and do not speak on behalf of others.
If you think I am a nutcase, it does not matter. You have already thought
much more badly of us in the past.
>
>Regards, Elie.
>
I. Ballouz

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