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Newsgroups: local.compsci,local.computer.centre,local.general,local.itafe,local.misc,aus.general,aus.auug
Subject: AUUGWet Conference, Darwin Australia, Feb 1993.
From: pjm@nutmeg.cs.ntu.edu.au (Phil Maker)
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:57:16 +0900
Organization: Computer Science, Northern Territory University, Australia
Originator: pjm@nutmegLines: 47

		AUUGWet 93 Announcement 
		       Darwin

		18th February 1993

For the second time ever, we have decided to have a Northern Territory
Wet season meeting of the Australian Open Systems User Group (AUUG). 
These wet season meetings are designed to complement the much larger
AUUG dry season conferences which are held in Melbourne or Sydney. 

The conference will focus on areas of technical interest such as
Distributed Systems and GIS applications as well as the usual 
AUUG material. It will be held in Darwin on the 18th
of February 1993.

* Call for papers

Papers are solicited in all of the above areas. Presentation
times are flexible but have traditionally been of the 20 minute
talk and 10 minute question format. 
There is a $100 prize for the best student paper.

* Conference facilities
In addition to the usual excellent facilities in the
North we can provide:

 o 1xPiper Cherokee PA32 for remote sensing.
 o 1xToyota Hilux 4WD for ground verification of the remote sensing data. 
 o 1xGPS.
 o Various UNIX machines for demonstrating tools.

Trips into the scrub may be organised for any 
brave visitors from the south or north.

* Registration
The cost will be $75 for normal people and $25 for
poor full time students. This includes registration, 
morning/afternoon tea and lunch as well as a possible
tee shirt. Please contact one of the organisers in the
near future if you are coming so that we can work
out numbers.

  Phil Maker 		089-466382 	pjm@cs.ntu.edu.au 
  Mike Clarke 		089-466671 	clarke@cs.ntu.edu.au
  Malcolm Caldwell 	089-466546 	malcolm@cs.ntu.edu.au
  Fax 			089-270612  	Attn: School of I.T.
  Surface mail 		School of I.T., N.T.University, Darwin.
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:16:19 GMT

In a recent article, Bill Segal wrote...

> Advisor "John, the peasants have no bread..."

Reminds me of a cartoon in the Sydney Morning Herald...
a few weeks back...

John Hewson> "I want to help the poor, just like Jesus did"
Catholic Preist> "Jesus didn't charge them for it."

just my $0.02 worth


stuartb

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From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
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rcgaym@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Angus Y. Montgomery) writes:
: s900387@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Craig Macbride) writes:
: >timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield) writes:
: 
: part of the problem of the perception of "the cost of public transport"
: lies in the differing evaluation of road-works and public-transport works.
: no-one expects a road to make a profit.
: 
: >The attempt to force people to use public transport in a sprawling city
: >like this is futile. An attempt to produce more efficient cars would have
: >far more merit.
: 
: yep, that's right, lie back and think of the queen.
: this is _victoria_ after all.
: merit. ha.
: 
An attempt to produce a city that doesn't require people to travel 50km+
 per day would have far more "merit".  

Let's face it, the 1/4 acre block and hills-hoist ethic was, is, and
will always be a pipe dream in the context of CBD's containing over a
million workers.  

Conrad Drake
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From: s900387@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Craig Macbride)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
Date: 5 Nov 1992 07:38:09 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield) writes:

>That is just an argument for improving public transport, not for keeping cars. 
>As long as the tram/train/bus whatever is frequent and regular, there's very 
>little excuse for using a car. In many cities in the world (London, Paris, New 
>York), people only use cars when travelling out of town, [ ... ]

Of course, these cities have much higher population densities. In a city like
Melbourne, the public transport system is already making a gigantic loss. There
are simple not enough people to provide a system of the efficiency you would
like, all day, every day, without it being prohibitively expensive.

>The best way is to make sure that no matter what public transport 
>route you are on, the service comes every seven minutes or less.

Look at it this way: If that were the case, at most times of day the bus I
would catch would have 2 people on it: me and the driver. It would be more
ecologically sound (and vastly more economically sound) for me to drive my
own car.

The attempt to force people to use public transport in a sprawling city
like this is futile. An attempt to produce more efficient cars would have
far more merit.

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From: daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:10:00 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

In <1dq90nINN77f@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> mgream@acacia (Matthew Gream) writes:

>minutes before the city. There is also a certain amount of annoyance that
>'freebie' private (and I guess public, but I dont notice them on my route)
>school students like to take up as much seating as they please and 
>generally give no consideration to paying customers.

Do they really travel for free, or at a discount rate?
And surely they have the rule whereby students on school-passes or
concession tickets have to give up seats to adults??


Daniel Bowen
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From: t923335@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (IronEagle)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: 11-11-92
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:08:00 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman) writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.072840.9561@cs.uow.edu.au> u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke) writes:

>>Today marks the day why Australia should be a republic.
>>Commiserations to one and all.

>"In Flanders fields the poppies grow,
>Between the crosses, row on row."

>Quoted from memory, on the cover of a book I saw a week or so ago. Guess I 
>should go back and get the attribution... the poem was written in 1915, BTW.

>What? Wrong year? Sorry, gang. I have a poppy clipped to the side of my 
>monitor, I bet Gough wore one too, and Malcolm for that matter.

>"They shall not grow old, as we who are left grow old.
>Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn."

Amen


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Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:48:29 CST
Followup-To: aus.followup
 	<1992Nov3.063115.12858@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <1992Nov3.222839.16777@bby.com.au> <1992Nov4.043356.25285@trl.oz.au>
Distribution: aus

jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy) writes:

>got from brown coal plants (filthy) or from hydroelectrical 
>dams (ever tried to build a dam lately? How did it go? No objections
>from conservationists?)

Which dams, the one they tried to build in Tasmania was
completely unnecessary. It was proposed because the
proposers job was to propose and build dams otherwise they
were out of a job. In Queensland the tully mill stream
system is unnecessary because we can create just as much
power by becoming more efficient in our consumption and at
far less capital cost. (Insulation etc).
Moreover, flooding of the tully mill area will produce more
greenhouse gases through organic decomposition than burning
coal to make the same amount of energy for 300 years.


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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: HP-48SX (Prices).
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:31:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
Distribution: aus
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Just looking around at HP-48SX calculators and have been getting quotes
around $570 (includinng tax).  Any ideas/prices that are better than this
around the place would be appreceated.

Anyone imported one from the US, I have the EduCalc catalog from the states
and they seem to be about $250 US.

Scott.
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From: rjl@spectre.apana.org.au (Richard Lindner)
Subject: Help needed - Albury area
Organization: Australian Coherent Users Group
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:07:44 GMT

[ Article crossposted from aus.mail ]
[ Author was Richard Lindner ]
[ Posted on 12 Nov 92 21:00:33 GMT ]


i am shortly to move to Wodonga where i will be living for the next (at least)
2 years to work on a a project there. in doing so, i will be a substantial STD
hop away from my Melbourne UUCP feed. is someone in the Albury/Wodonga region
in a position to provide a dialup UUCP connection for the purposes of sending/
receiving mail and a smattering of news?

i can connect at v32bis or below.

thanks.


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Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
From: cchd@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Huw Davies)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:34:56 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <1992Nov12.045947.6919@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> gareth@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Chief Smeghead) writes:

>I rode motorbikes a few years ago and in '88 it cost me about $75,000. 

Hey, what about my costs - let's see....

7-10 hospital visits a week, increased drinks bill, etc :-)

>That's about $1500.00 a week. I should have leased a BMW 750i at about
>$1000 a week and kept the change.
>
>It would have cost me about $3000 if I had been in a car.

I don't know about the $3000. BMW repairs are costly (ask another one of your
brothers :-) I guess a kangaroo could cause more than $5000 damage on
your new 750i....
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Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:00:29 CST
Followup-To: aus.followup
Distribution: aus

stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews) writes:

>John Hewson> "I want to help the poor, just like Jesus did"
>Catholic Preist> "Jesus didn't charge them for it."

Saw a nice cartoon of John Hewson trying to flog a family a
car marked "GST 15.00SUX" and saying
"You have to be suspicious of any man who doesn't drive
seven cars."


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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:48:40 GMT

In article <chrisp.720868071@kultarr> chrisp@cs.uwa.oz.au (chris pudney) writes:
>G'day,

Hi ,

>To get personal vehicles off the roads an increased petrol tax for such
>vehicles might be a good idea.  Implementation is always a problem of
>course.  First a govt. is needed with the guts to aim a tax at the bulk of
>the voting population.  Then we might find people trading in their

Yea but are we ever going to see such a govt.?


>Commodores and Falcons for Macks and Kenworths.

Okay,I can see your logic.BUT 4 WD vechiles are registered and taxed as 
a Lorry.So does that give them more of a right to be on the road because
of the category they fit into.
I realise the heading said "petrol",but other factors would need to be
addressed.Agreed ?
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
Organization: Telecom Australia Research Laboratories
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:07:53 GMT

In article <1dd9c4INNphe@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> rcgaym@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
(Angus Y. Montgomery) writes:
>s900387@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Craig Macbride) writes:
>
>>timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield) writes:
>
>>Of course, these cities have much higher population densities. In a city like
>>Melbourne, the public transport system is already making a gigantic loss.
There
>>are simple not enough people to provide a system of the efficiency you would
>>like, all day, every day, without it being prohibitively expensive.
>
>oh, and the roads board makes a resounding profit?

It does when you consider the revenue from petrol tax.
Newsgroups: aus.general,alt.urban.planning
From: daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen)
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:21:54 GMT

In <1992Nov12.013444.27634@trl.oz.au> c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill) writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.201719.25710@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
>daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:
>>
>>Also, developments away from the city cost a LOT in new infrastructure,
>>such as new phone lines, power, sewerage, to cope with the influx of
>>people. The city already has these. 

>So do the suburbs.

No, I mean the city has enough infrastructure to support the huge
numbers of office workers who live there. If you move a thousand office
workers to some new building in the suburbs, chances are that Telecom
will have to put in more phone lines, SEC will need to put in higher
capacity power lines, Melbourne Water will need to upgrade the sewers...
all to deal with the sudden increase in people working there.


Daniel Bowen
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From: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: I wish petrol were taxed more
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:01:42 GMT
Reply-To: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au

In <6688@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) points out
that:

1) You can't sustain a decent public transport system with Australian
   population densities.

Agreed. And while cities like Brisbane (where I live) continue with
unstustainable sprawling growth it won't ever be the case.

2) I was lying when I said "people only use cars when travelling out of town" 
   in large cities with good public transport like London and New
   York.

That's also true, I should have said, "most people only use cars ..."
but your observations of huge traffic jams in London doesn't take into
account the fact that a lot of people use cabs (which admittedly aren't much
better than private cars) and that some people are travelling into town
from out of town.

However point taken. BUT, I will say that if car usage per head in
London was the same as it is in Brisbane or even Melbourne, you'd
still be in that traffic jam.

3) The problem is not a one dimensional car/public transport tradeoff, 
   otherwise it'd be easy to solve.

And that's the most sensible comment anyone's made all week. So many
other variables are involved. Not only other methods of transport
like car-pooling or mixing private and public transport, but also
urban planning (density of housing, trying to put people closer to
where they work etc), attitude change on everyone's part etc etc
etc...

The problem with this debate (and it pops up in a lot of Tea Rooms
around the world on a daily basis) is that almost everyone can recognise
that the number of single-occupant petrol-driven sedans that move
along our roadways every day is stupid, wasteful, polluting and
unsustainable but no-one wants to give up their car because the
alternatives are so appalling. I agree that IF there is a way out it's
complex and raising petrol tax ain't gonna solve the problems, neither
the environmental problems nor the cycle fatality problem.

tim
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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler)
Subject: Re: KATANA info
Reply-To: ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:52:40 GMT

In article <brent.721103956@coffeeshop>, brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:
|> tuned@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (David_Tune) writes:
|> 
|>>	A young mate of mine is interested in details of the '85 Katana, which
|>>I believe was the model with the pop-up headlight. He has heard that there may
|>>be some problems with the electrics, and wants to know if there are any other
|>>known problems with this model.

hmm, 750 Katana's have the pop-up head light and more streamlined look than
the 1100s. The 1100 have a fixed (rectangular) head light. I was (and still am)
thinking of buying one (not sure which). If it is the 750 he is looking at,
I'ld suggest digging back through old copies of "Two wheels" in the local
library (Nov 84 has a review of the 85 model).
The early (upto Jan? 85) had 16" front wheel and two shock rear suspension,
later model had a 17" wheel and monoshock suspension. The one I took for
a test ride was the earlier model and squirmed all over the road.

1980s GSxxx seem to have a reputation for eating their regulator circuits and
or cooking their alternator coils (my GS650 did the latter) It is apparently
possible to replace the regulator with a Kawasaki or Honda one that works
much better, maybe I'll do that if mine ever dies again but its been going
for four years on the current one and 6 years on the first one.

|> know very little about anything BUT I do remember all the fuss over the 
|> GSX1100's and their cutesy 16" front wheel. Dunno about Katanas, though.
|> I'd love to know the final outcome of all that. Are those 16" a bit sensitive
|> to oz roads? Or is it just choosing the right tyres? Anyone got one?

see above

|>                     Brent.

	Adrian
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From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: KATANA info
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:21:42 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:
> tuned@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (David_Tune) writes:
>
>
>  >    A young mate of mine is interested in details of the '85 Katana, which
>  >I believe was the model with the pop-up headlight. He has heard that there may
>  >be some problems with the electrics, and wants to know if there are any other
>  >known problems with this model.

        I had a 750 Katana for almost 2 years (wiped out by a cage turning right
from the left hand lane). During that time I had to replace the stator coil (it
burned out) and had no end of trouble with the motor that raised & lowered the
headlight. It had an intermittant fault where it would raise or lower the
the headlight at random intervals (very annoying at night when the headlight
lowered without being turned off). Sometimes it would continuously raise and
lower, and I'd have to pull over and kill the engine to make it stop. I
eventually disconnected the circuit and left the headlight up permanently
(the circuit for the motor and for the headlight globe are seperate). I had it
looked at 4 or 5 times and noone could find a fault with it, and it was not
a "known fault". It was a fun bike to ride, but I'm not in a hurry to own
another one. I didn't have any mechanical problems with it.

> I know very little about anything BUT I do remember all the fuss over the
> GSX1100's and their cutesy 16" front wheel. Dunno about Katanas, though.
>
> I'd love to know the final outcome of all that. Are those 16" a bit sensitive
> to oz roads? Or is it just choosing the right tyres? Anyone got one?

        The 1100 Katana has an 18" front, the 750 has a 16" front. My current
mount (see .sig) has a 16" front as well. Tyres are the key for 16" front ends.
My personal reccomendation is to use a soft compound on a 16" front. They can
be turned reasonably quickly, but with a wider tyre adding more mass, they can
feel more like a 17" with a narrower tyre. I didn't have any complaints about
my 16" front end when I rode from Melbourne to Townsville and back during
July, including the Pacific Highway from Sydney to Brisbane (not a nice road),
and the Bruce highway (Bris - Cairns. Better than the Pacific, but not as good
as the New England). I might be doing Melb - Darwin and back sometime around
Easter '93.

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