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From: ara@wam.umd.edu (Ford Prefect)
Subject: Ultimate 3d fractals
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: alt.fractals
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:52:17 GMT

Hi everyone.
First of all, Im into fractals only because they look neat
math wise Im still trying to get through calc-1

anyway.  

This just occured to me yesterday.  I was reading an article in this
weeks US-News and World report about 3d printing, you know the 
light sensitive plastics that solidify when illumniated by a LASER.

Since you can generate slices of fractal landscapes and 4d fractals 
you could "print" them out using the LASER Liquid plastic modeling
thing.  The LASER can give you a very high resolution, if you use
transparent plastic you can even see any internal structures. plus
the object would be a neat Paper weight?  Conversation piece?
Souvenier from Mars?

in other words it would be a solid real 3d fractal.

Has anyone tried this? anyone want to try?

-ara
ara@wam.umd.edu

Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: hoswell@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Old Nick)
Subject: Re: xfractint
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:43:58 GMT

ajtd@st-andrews.ac.uk (Antony J. T. Davie) writes:

>I've just ported xfractint to my sparcstation running SunOS and Openwindows
>but can't make it work. It doesn't seem to want to accept any input
>characters interactively. I understand that at least one other person has
>had similar difficulties. Has anyone a solution?

>Tony Davie

Perhaps you don't have this in your .Xdefaults??? :

OpenWindows.FocusLenience:      True

Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: IZZYGW6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (IZZYGW6)
Subject: Fractal Book's
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:57:09 PDT

I was in the bookstore recently and noticed a book put out by
the stone soup group of Fractint fame.  It even included v15.x on disk.
The part that caught my eye was some spectacular fractal images they
had in there.  I know some of the stone soup people read this group
so if any one could tell me how I might obtain some copies of these
or similar images i'd appreciate it.  Many thanks in advance...
Newsgroups: uw.csc,uw.general,uw.campus-news,alt.fractals,comp.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,uw.cgl
From: cpshelle@jeeves.waterloo.edu (cameron shelley)
Subject: Re: CGL tour
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: uw
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:58:39 GMT

jkdickin@yoho.waterloo.edu (John K. Dickinson) writes:
> 	I was not aware that grad students had spare time.  Especially
> Graphics students.  (I have this on good authority from friends in
> CGL.)
>
> 	Of course, they could have been leading me on about how busy
> they are. 

Ah yes, invent a better spline and the world will trace a ray to your
door.  Now at LPAIG, we have it tough: we actually have to be
*smarter* than our programs.  As for CGL grads, they spend most of
their time napping in the corridor outside the lab.  I know: I have to
work next to them!

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From: groo@chsdip.wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Squier)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Fractal landscapes??
Date: 20 Jul 92 19:12:12 GMT
Organization: Dragonsoft Development
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In article <19JUL199223535413@venus.tamu.edu>, SAWATDEE writes:

> Allright, here's what I am looking for!  Does anybody know of a 
> program(s) that draws fractal landscapes and will run on a IBM PC??
> I am looking for something on ftp site that is probably freeware or 
> something like that.
> 
> Some fellow has been posting fractal landscape images under a.b.p.m that
> he created on his amiga..He could even specify water and trees in them.
> 

Their are two fractal-landscape generators for the Amiga that produce
trees.  The first is VistaPro 2.0, also available for IBM PC's. The
second is Scenery Animator 2.0 whose availablility I am unsure of.

Contacts:

VistaPro 2.0
Virtual Reality Labs, Inc.
2341 Ganador Court
San Luis Obispo, CA  93401
Phone or FAX 805/545-8515  ([sic], beats me how that works...)


Scenery Animator 2.0
Natural Graphics
P.O. Box 1963
Rocklin, CA  95677
Phone (916)624-1436


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From: eesfd@gdr.bath.ac.uk (F Dudbridge)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: what happened to Hutchinson?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:06:45 GMT
Distribution: alt.fractals
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

All the work on deterministic self-similarity, iterated function systems etc
has its basis on the 1981 paper "Fractals and Self Similarity" by one
J. E. Hutchinson, from the Australian National University at Canberra.
This pioneering paper is extremely impressive and deep, but (to my knowledge)
the author has no prior or later publications at all.  This despite a hint
in that paper that more was to follow.

Does anyone have any idea who this guy was or what happened to him?  I find
it strange how such a seminal work could just appear from Australia and
the author never publish again.

Frank the Fractal Freak,  f.dudbridge@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Does it end???
Date: 29 Jul 1992 10:04:09 -0400
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
NNTP-Posting-Host: shape.mps.ohio-state.edu


The Mandelbrot set (for z^2+c) ends on the left at c=-2.
No part of the set is to the left of this, but there are
islands of the M-set as close as you like to the right of this.
c=-2 itself belongs to the M-set; the corresponding Julia set is
a simple closed interval.

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From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: nt
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:28:58 GMT

Where can i get xfractint? E-mail to N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu if you can tell
tell me. Thank you very much!!!
 
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: luck@lunatix.uucp (Kevin Luck)
Subject: Landscapes w/fractint
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 253-1481 
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:31:16 GMT

To whomever was asking about landscapes:

   A quick and easy way to do one is with fractint.  Just choose
Plasma cloud, set the roughness and mode (the default roughness
works quite nicely), then, when it renders, load in the (I forget
what its name is--it's not landscap, but something similar.  It
should make the pic look like a satelite photo) palette.  Then,
save the pic and 3-d render it witha waterlevel about 20 or 30 (I
forget).  It should come out looking pretty good.
From: ajtd@st-andrews.ac.uk (Antony J. T. Davie)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: xfractint
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:22:35 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

I've just ported xfractint to my sparcstation running SunOS and Openwindows
but can't make it work. It doesn't seem to want to accept any input
characters interactively. I understand that at least one other person has
had similar difficulties. Has anyone a solution?

Tony Davie
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: yavuz@bnr.ca (Yavuz Onder)
Subject: Re: xfractint
Reply-To: yavuz@bnr.ca (Yavuz Onder)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:21:34 GMT

I was that person. 

Just to make it specific, the text window (an xterm in my case, and I assume
in yours too) is the one that stays "deaf". Your input to the graphics window
will be heard (this is the case for me anyway). Of course this makes disk-video
mode completely unusable. 

When I posted that report, Ken Shirriff told me that his system accepts
input from both windows. 

My system is a Sun 3/60. I intend to work on this on my return form an extended
holiday, by using gdb. May be by then I will also have a Sparc installed. Please
post if you find anything, so will I (come October).

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Subject: Req of doc on Barnsley theorem??????
From: sabattin@cs.unibo.it (Paolo Sabattini)
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:28:14 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, University of Bologna, Italy



University of Bologna, 18/07/92
From Paolo Sabattini : EMail sabattin@cs.unibo.it

   I'm a student in computer science and I'm looking for documentatio
n and programs about fractals, Barnsley's theorem of Collage, and
image compression with fractal methods.
   If you have some information about this argument,please contact me
at the E-Mail address :
                              
                            sabattin@cs.unibo.it
or send me the documetation via newsgroup in alt.fractals.


     Thank you very much.
                                                     Paolo Sabattini
From: ghartzog@terapin.com (Garrett Hartzog)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Fractal landscapes??
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:17:28 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <19JUL199223535413@venus.tamu.edu>, p0p1510@venus.tamu.edu
(SAWATDEE) writes:
>Allright, here's what I am looking for!  Does anybody know of a 
>program(s) that draws fractal landscapes and will run on a IBM PC??
>I am looking for something on ftp site that is probably freeware or 
>something like that.
>
>Some fellow has been posting fractal landscape images under a.b.p.m that
>he created on his amiga..He could even specify water and trees in them.
>
>Thanks for any help,
>mail me or post here to alt.fractals
>Pakdi
>p0p1510@venus.tamu.edu
>
I have one. It's called BogussAT. Unfortunately, this isn't an FTP site and I
can't even UUencode it to you (stupid message editor changes certain
characters). Tell me if you find something though because the one I have is
REALLY limited (it doesn't let you change anything)

Garrett Hartzog
ghartzog@terapin.com
From: Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: er,excuse me
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:21:28 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7002/1.0

>never said we did not accept the biblical tenents of Christianity, and every 
>one, Jew or gentile knows well before they come to our conferences or Shules 
>that we in fact are JEWS who believe YESHUA is the Messiah, and that we 

 h=>That is that they are people who claim that xianity is a Jewish
 h=>belief.
Not only claim it Hillel, but you full know well that the belief of the 
coming of Messiah is Jewish in deed, and even in orthodoxy, that the Messiah 
would bring his Torah with him and teach us, and that is exactly what the 
New Covenant is the Torah of the Messiah, and that it isn't what you attempt 
to cover up, that it is christianity that is trying to convert jews to 
gentileism, but rather that you need the covenant of the Messiah and His 
Torah instead of your man made torah she ba 'al Peh.... Not that that is all 
wrong either, but certainly not a torah...

 h=>Note that here he admits that it is a group of xians taking on a
 h=>Jewish appearance.  Just because someone goes to church on Rosh
 h=>Hashono instead of (?) xmas does not make it any more Jewish.  It
 h=>just makes it a sect of xianity.

Nope we are jews who believe in the Jewish concepts of Messiah, within 
Biblical or Torah Judaism, for it is only the Messianic Jews who can fulfill 
the mitzvot of the Torah.  All others have broken the covenant, you call it 
set aside, but G-d kept our people in exile for 2,000 years while the Rabbis 
taught a broken covenant...

You see the order hillel, is from Biblical Judaism = Biblical 
Christianity...
Not the other way around...  What you are in arms about is that Jews by the 
10's of thousands believe in Messiah Yeshua... Hey why not you?


>Your information is incorrect and false, and you would do well to get your 
>facts straight before you make accusations.
>
>The UMJC was created by 20 Messianic Jewish Congregations independent of Dan 
>Juster.  Dan was called to be the first president by the Union of the 
>organization.  Soon after my shule joined the movement, and i became the 
>executive secretary of the Movement..
>
>You are right Dan Juster's father is Jewish, and according to Torah, the 
>seed of promise is passed via  Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to their male seed 
>forever, and the rite called Bris, or circumcision is the seal of the 
>everlasting covenant between G-d and Israel.
>>Since Dan is not a part of Rabbinic Judaism, and since Rabbinic Judaism is 


 h=>That is right, he is not Jewish.  The reform as well would say 
 h=>this
 h=>because only those children of a Jewish father who are raised
 h=>Jewish and accept Judaism are considered as Jewish by the Reform
 h=>movement.

Welll to bad hillel, he is more jewish than you are... because he has had 
his bris in the flesh and the heart...


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From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: Messianic Judaism 4 Of 4
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:33:52 GMT

In article <139297.2A6DC8F4@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson) writes:
>>Further Info for:strom@watson.ibm.com (Rob Strom)
> 7) A Messianic Gentile man and a Messianic Jewish woman
>     *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would point out that while
>     the woman and the children would be considered Jewish, the husband
>     would not, as in making aliyah.  We of course would exhort them
>     to stay in Judaic Observance, and to bring up their children with
>     appreciation of their Judaic roots.]
>  8) A Messianic Gentile woman and a Messianic Jewish man
>     *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would point out as above,
>     and in addition, would point out that neither the woman, nor her
>     children would be considered Rabbinicly halachicly Jewish, as in
>     making aliyah; except the Reform Rabbinic understanding accepts
>     children from a Jewish father as being Jewish, based upon certain
>     understandings of a Parental line of descent from Tanakh.]

According to the Reform responses posted by Dan Faigin on
soc.culture.jewish, the official Reform position is that the child
of a "mixed marriage" is Jewish if and only if the child makes a
positive commitment to Judaism.  The argument with Conservative and
Orthodox movements lies in what is required for such a commitment.
However, acceptance of xianity is definitely a sign that the child
has NOT been "brought up Jewish" and therefore would not be
accepted as Jewish by the Reform movement.

The Orthodox and Conservative movements still regard the child of 7
as born Jewish but not practicing Judaism.  Also, evidence would
have to be provided that the mother is indeed Jewish since she
could be the product of an invalid relationship as in 8.  There are
people who find that the original Jewish mother in the matrilineal
line is too far back for good proof so they go through a formal
conversion just to make sure.

In either case the child is being raised as an xian and therefore
would not be regarded as Jewish for aliyah.  The state regards
someone who converts (or is practicing) another religion as not
Jewish for the purpose of the Law of Return.  This is for the
secular law only and not according to Halacha.

Note that all of this type such as Jews for j, mj, or whatever they
call themselves fall under this category.

____________________________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |  Said the fox to the fish, join me ashore  |
| H_Markowitz@att.com |  So too is it with the Jews and the TORAH  |
|_____________________|____________________________________________|
From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Jesus Declares All Foods Clean
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:18:08 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/18.0 - Midrash, Denver CO


 -=> Quoting Paul Hudson Jr to All <=-

 PHJ> From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)
 PHJ> Date: 24 Jul 92 21:13:36 GMT
 PHJ> Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
 PHJ> Message-ID: <1992Jul24.211336.19230@athena.cs.uga.edu>
 PHJ> Newsgroups: alt.messianic
 PHJ> 
 PHJ> In article <139313.2A6F7C3E@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>
 PHJ> Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson) writes: 
 > -=> Quoting Spawn Of A Jewish Carpenter (cindy  to All <=-
 >Oh; I get it.  Basically; you are saying that the "scholars" you are
 >quoting are saying that the Jewish Messiah is saying that when one
 >poops in the toilet, it suddenly makes all the foods clean to eat that
 >previously G-d had declared unclean; since He's now changing His
 >mind.
 >     Thanks but no thanks!
 PHJ> 
 PHJ> So, do you support the interpretation then, that the this line
 PHJ> was a comment of Mark, and therefore Mark is stating that Jesus
 PHJ> statement made all foods clean?
Bill Carlson responds: With NO reservations, absolutely NOT!!!!!!!!

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From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Subject: Re: Knowing Hashem
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:10:56 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <139362.2A720882@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson) writes:
                                 [...]
>KD> But, if having "positive relations" will be a means to further this
>KD> important end, then we're all for it.
>     This sounds like his only reason for having a "positive relation"
>     with you, is for an "end", and not also for the sake of having a
>     "positive relation(s)" in and of itself.  In all fairness, this is
>     "perhaps" not what Kenneth meant but I can see how you'd draw that
>     conclusion.

I too was a little disturbed by Kenneth's mention that "positive relations"
are not a worthy goal of themselves.  If everything we do is only aimed at
getting a conversion, and we discard relationships when this does not
appear to be happening, then it will appear that we are only looking for
spiritual conquests, and we are not really motivated by love.  And if this
is how it appears, then we must humble ourselves and ask this question:
"Does this appearance come from a reality in my heart?"

I believe that we must sincerely remain in genuine love, as Paul said in 2
Corinthians 13: "[Love] always hopes for the best...".  Instead of easily
discarding relationships, we should strive for this goal: "If it is
possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone."
(Romans 12:18)

However, in the pursuit of this goal, we cannot abandon the command of
Yeshua: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching
them to obey everything that I commanded you." (Matthew 28:19)  This
command is to all believers.  We can no more ignore this command than we
can abandon our faith.  It does not depend on Christians to stop preaching
about Yeshua and urging everyone to repent; we received this command from
the Lord, and we cannot cease while His command remains with us.
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From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: (Old) Question for Rob Levene
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:20:12 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

A month ago, on June 29, I asked Rob Levene:

	Will you concede that saying these passages refer to the Messiah
	is a Jewish interpretation?

I haven't heard a peep out of you in response to this, Rob.  Here is the
context:

****************************************************************************
RL>As per Mr. Carlson's other posts, the problem with citing reams of
RL>midrashic and rabbinic quips as evidence for Jesus being the messiah
RL>is that none of the rabbis making those statements were Christians.
RL>If they considered those out-of-context statements to be proof of
RL>Christianity, they wouldn't have rejected them, especially so soon
RL>after Jesus lived, unless you cite satanic possession or the usual
RL>Jewish rabbinic conspiracy theories.
RL> 
RL>One hundred times zero is still zero.

     The statements do not "prove Christianity",  or  that  Yeshua  is  the
     Messiah.   They  do  more  or less debunk the claims of RJ's that "the
     Jewish view" is that the scriptures cited are not messianic, and  that
     those   who   say   they   are   are   merely  spouting  a  "Christian
     interpretation".  Will you concede that saying these passages refer to
     the Messiah is a Jewish interpretation?
****************************************************************************

Well?

I also noted:

	To people who have decided from the outset that they  are  not
	going  to believe,  it  doesn't  really  make  any  difference
	what Scripture or anybody or anything else says.

... and:

     But it *does* mean something.  It  means  MJ's  (and  MG's,  for  that
     matter)  aren't the only ones who see those passages as messianic.  So
     away with this irrelevant nonsense about  such  interpretations  being
     only  "Christian";  they are Jewish.  Besides, the issue of importance
     is not "Who says  Yeshua  is  the  Messiah?",  but:   "Is  Yeshua  the
     Messiah?"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
		Surely our griefs He Himself bore, and our sorrows He carried;
     /\		... He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was
____/__\____	crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being
\  / || \  /	fell upon Him, and by His scourging we are healed.  All of us
 \/--++--\/	like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own
 /\  ||  /\	way; but the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on
/  \ || /  \	Him. ... By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will
----\--/----	justify the many, as He will bear their iniquities.
     \/							-- Isaiah 53
		Bruce Tiffany
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