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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:09:43 GMT
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <BILLMS.92Sep9110440@z.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep09.140343.301@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
|> 
|>        The one quote that cracked me up was made by FGifford.  Referring to
|>    Emmitt's goal of a 2000yd season, he said that a goal of 125 yards per
|>    CARRY was not unrealistic.  Reality, what a concept!  :)
|> 
|> quick: name the last team to lose a non-planB free agent.  It may end up
|> costing Dallas more, but he probably won't even get an offer from another
|> team.
|> 

      You got me...I'm guessing it was Chicago that lost Wilbur Marshall to
the Skins and you're right, WM probably won't get any other offers.

|> Bill
|> --
|> -------------------------------
|> 	Bill Mangione-Smith
|> 	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: mcs@fps.com (Mike Sanfratello)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Organization: CRAY Research
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:56:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.193839.17678@cs.rose-hulman.edu> dominimj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael J Dominick) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep12.161147.28749@equalizer.cray.com> mcs@fps.com (Mike  
>Sanfratello) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep11.182028.8818@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM  
>(John P. Gloria) writes:
>> 	[ ... ]
>> >Point well take Russ.  However, not counting Vegas, all the sport  
>magazines,
>> >sport analyst agree that the Niner's are a better team and they SHOULD  
>win
>> >the game.  There are no guarantees in games.
>> >
>> HAHAHAHAHAH!!  Right, *ALL* the sport magazines agree that the Niners  
>are
>> a better team than the Bills...sorry, that is just WRONG...
>> 
>> 
>> mike
>
>	I guess we'll find this out tommorrow....

I guess we did - not only are the 9ers NOT a better team (IMNSHO), but my
point was that *ALL* the sport magazines were not predicting this anyway...

mike

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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:08:13 GMT

In <WLITTLE.92Sep9154509@dante.nmsu.edu> wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes) writes:

>I saw on ESPN the other night that so far the NFL game is actually
>longer now then when Instant Replay was in effect.  By like 5 or 6
>minutes.  The average game last year was 2 hrs 58 minutes and so far

The games I refereed this year lasted on the average 2h 10min.
The last two games, however, were 1h 50min and were playoffs.
Do I conclude that playoff-games are shorter than regular
season games?

No, I just conclude that the three teams that played in those two
matches were running teams, not passing.

Let's see the stats AFTER the season, not after one round(?).
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 9/8/92
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 22:03:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: time, practice

In article <1992Sep8.204039.7060@access.digex.com> electro@access.digex.com (Gary Ehrlich) writes:
>
>3) I've never particularly had faith in Goodburn.  New punter time, methinks.
>
Question:  my last year at Virginia Tech, Bowling Green came to town, and Chris
Shale put on the single best exhibition of punting I've ever seen.  Last year,
Shale was drafted by the Redskins, but he was cut in pre-season.  Why?
He had one of the best, if not THE best, punting averages in the nation, and
was simply incredible the night I saw him.  Granted, one night does not a career
make, but information as to the reasons behind his release would be appreciated.
Does anyone know where he is now?  And how can I subscribe to dc.redskins?  :)



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From: awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton)
Subject: Re: Colts cut Herrmann !!
Reply-To: awhitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:11:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.125445.19280@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep8.124614.27344@europa.asd.contel.com> brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic) writes:
|> >Anyone know why ????
|> >
|> >Brian Lichorowic
|> 
|> Probably age.  I predicted it on the way home from the game.
|> 
|> Ed

Maybe I'm missing something here, but when a QB wins the team's first home
opener in 9 years, you don't usually fire him for it :-) 

Cheers,
Alan Whitton
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Call for Football Jokes...
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.011035.10891@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>L.A. Rams
>
>--
>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)
>
>A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
>while others are doing.

Heeeee, Haaaaaaa, Haaaaa, Heeeeeee, ...pause, catch my breath, wipe
the tears off my face, pick myself of the floor....  Heeeee, Haaaaaaa, 
Haaaaa, Heeeeeee....GRRRRINNNNNNNNN.

Thanks, made my evening! :-)
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:55:53 GMT

In <92255.032250343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>football,  but would seem to me that after a crushing sack,  in front of
>more than 10000 screaming fans,  I'd be on an emotional high.  Of course
>I'd want to live it up.  I'm sure it's the same way.  Not to mention that
>it probably fires the crowd up even more,  and gets the crowd behind your
>team.  This is always a bonus.

There is a HUGE difference between 'Hey, I did great!' and 'You cannot
even run/tackle/throw/kick/...'.  I personally award 15 yards for the
latter but encourage the former.
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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 01:34:01 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Position Ratings

In article <1992Sep11.010224.5431@ncsu.edu>, bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT
RICKER) says:
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>To Start a little controversy, I've decided to list my Top 5 at each
>skill position. You should note that I grew up in south Florida and lived
>in Houston for 5 years.
>
>Running Back:
>    (1) Thomas - There is NO better all around back in the game.
>    (2) Sanders - There is NO better pure running back in the game.
>    (3) Emmit - Anyone with 4 consecutive 100 yard games against the skins
>                has to be included
>    (4) N. Anderson - If things are settled with Ditka, Neal will return
>                     to the top 3.
>    (5) T. Allen - A reach ... but 140 yards on 12 or 13 carries, not bad
>
As mentioned before,  96 of those yards were on 2 plays (no TD??)  I'd have
to say that Hampton should be in the top 5 somewhere.  Byner too.
>W.R.:
>    (1) Rice - Nuff said
>    (2) M. Irvin - He's good enough to make Aikman seem like a quality QB
Don't Like Aikman huh,  sound's familiar.  Better get used to him,  Dallas
is going places,  if not this year,  Next for sure.
>    (3) E. Givens - A true burner ... Will shine big time this year
Jefferies is still better.  Givens is good,  and with Hill gone,  now he's
#2,  but Jefferies is still #1 in Houston
>    (4) M. Haynes - Sorry Andre, but your only the second best on the
>                    Atlanta roster
>    (5) G. Clark - Like Irvin, he's good enough to make Rypien look great
>
     You list Marion 2 lines from now,  yet do not include Clayton or Duper
up here.  Even if you're a great QB,  you still need receivers.  I think
they both rank above Haynes.  Haynes posts yards and TD's,  but only 50+
catches a season.  I don't watch Atlanta much,  so I don't see how he plays
but what's he doing for the other 25-30 receptions that all of the other
players that you mentioned are getting??
>Q.B.:
>    (1) Marino - Simply amazing with the offensive lines he had to deal with.
>                 Destined for the Hall of Fame
>    (2) Kelly - Another Miami boy ...
I conpletely agree,  but Kelly makes less than half (I think) than Marino does,
is there THAT much of a drop off???? I don't THINK so!!
>    (3) Moon - Think of what career numbers would be like if he had played
>               his whole career in the NFL
>    (4) Miller - With his recieving corp, he'll put up numbers few can match
>    (5) Nagle - The only young quarterback with star potential
Nagle??  Maybe,  this season will be the test.  I think that Young should be
up there before him.  Probably #4 behind Moon.  If the line can protect him,
look out!
>
>Well, there you have it.  I anxiously await comments and criticisms.
>
>
>Cheers,
>Brian
>
>P.S. Can you believe I scored two tickets for the PSU - U of Miami game ... 40
>     yard line ... I can't wait !!!!!!!!!
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From: Bruce Kall
Subject: 49er fans eat(?) crow
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:27:07 GMT

In article mzimmers@netcom.com, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
> .....[deleted].....
>
>Now then, some puerile ranting:
>
>1. If we had anything resembling a placekicker, we win.
>
>2. If we have Rice all game, we probably win (as good as the other
>   WRs are, Rice is still better).
>
>3. Montana makes that last drive work.
>
>Ah well, it may not have been that impressive to defense-bigots like
>me, but it sure was entertaining...
>-- 
>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
>SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
>Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974


Get a life!.  The 49ers lost and the Bills won (today). Eat your
crow and stop dreaming (ranting) about what didn't happen!!!
Whatifs dont win games!  



Go Bills!!!!!


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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: success of colleges in producing pro players?
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:10:28 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Sep8.033628.7893@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States) writes:
> 
> 
> I'm sure there is probably already has this information or has the time to  
> figure it out...
> 
> which colleges have the most former players on current pro rosters?  i'm sure  

I know USC has 39 and leads all colleges.  As you said, Notre Dame
and Miami are very near the top.  These stats were published by
the Chicago Tribune a few days ago.  If I can find the paper I'll
post the stats for al colleges.


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Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
From: bribiesc@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Great Raider QB...NOT!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:46:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep8.014602.15454
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Can someone please, please, please tell me why Jay Schroeder is **STILL**
the starting QB of the Raiders???  Come on Al, wake up and smell the kitchen
'cause its'a burnin'!!  

 *************************SILVER & BLACK FOREVER, BABY..**********************
From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Where are the Chiefs fans???
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:49:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Akron


    Since there are K.C. fans out on the net I need a question answered about
them. I am in a fantasy football league and for my third round pick I took
Christian Okoye. I thought this was a steal for the third round. Well the
first week he didn't even suit up and Sunday he had I think 64 yards. That
stinks. I heard he might get traded, and he is in the doghouse. Whats the
deal with him, he's been a real bust for my team?
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bears
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:44:33 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <1992Sep8.192544.9823@advtech.uswest.com>, steven@jaynes ( Steve
Novak) writes:
>> = (Burt Juarez) writes:
>
>>I think Neal Anderson sucks.  They should play Darren Lewis more.  He's much
>>more talented than Anderson.  He has better field and vision and is a much
>>better runner.  I think they should dump Anderson.  
>
>Sure thing, Meester Expert.  Dump the guy that scored two TDs - one
>rushing, one a pass reception, and both that patented Anderson
>up-the-sidelines-from the-ten-and-dive-bomb-just-past-the-flag.  
>
>Keep your day job, Burt.
>
>I _do_ agree that Darren Lewis (and Green) should play a bit more then
>they did on opening day; start turning Anderson into a combo
>receiver/blocker/runner.
>
>
>-- 
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>| Steve Novak |    |"Wacker the K"| 
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>steven@advtech.USWest.Com
 
 
The best and most reasonable suggestion is to move Neal Anderson to the FB
position in a rotating scheme to rest Muster, who has a bad back. Neal used to
be the FB with Sweetness, and he does block better than Lewis, who really OUGHT
to be the starting tailback. Here's how I'd run it:
 
Start: Muster and Lewis
Then: Anderson and Lewis
Then: Anderson and Green
Then: Muster and Green
 
I'd also move Dent to the 3rd down specialist he wants to be, and not put
Armstrong inside on 3rd down passing situations. That's how he busted his knee
up, and he HATES being a tackle. Go with this setup, given the Fridge is the
lean 318 machine he looks to be:
 
Start:  Armstrong  McMichael  Fridge  Spellman
 
3rd down pass:  Roper  Ryan  Spellman  Dent
 
 
That's the most effective set. IMHO.
 
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From: platkus@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs browns
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:21:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>In article <platkus.716507310@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu> platkus@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus) writes:
>>
>>Here's an afterthought.  This year, there are now four teams that opened on 
>>Monday night.  This ever happen before?

>Who is the 4th team?  Cleveland opened last Sunday (although most of us
>would like to forget the game).
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>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu


Sorry about that, I meant to say three.  


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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: DANNY NOONAN CUT?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:56:03 GMT

In article <2449@unet.UUCP>, asgari@ssc01.net.com (Asgari Roger) writes:
> 		At first I thought my ears were deceiving me but upon   
> 	looking at the tube my eyes did not; DN was released according 
> 	to ESPN's Sportscenter.
> 
> 		This I find so bloody hard to believe as all I have
> 	heard and read about in DCM is how much DN' stock is going
> 	up to atleast a #2 round pick.     

You mean the Eagles aren't going to replace Jerome Brown by trading
All-Pro cornerback Eric Allen to Dallas for Danny Noonan?  My ribs
still hurt from reading that gem.  I think the people involved with
DCM must read this newsgroup too much if they printed Danny Noonan
is worth a #2.

> 		This indeed, if accurately reported by ESPN, is quite
> 	a loss.

If a team claims him, that is.  I wouldn't mind if Philadelphia gives
him a look though.  With Mike Pitts on IR and Leon Seals nursing a
pulled hamstring.  At the very least to get him in there to tip off
the Eagles to Dallas' defensive schemes:-).


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
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Allentown, PA  18103
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From: electro@access.digex.com (Gary Ehrlich)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 9/8/92
Keywords: time, practice
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:40:39 GMT


My comments on Monday Night's tragedy:

1) True, our three all-pros played rather badly.  Then again, they signed
   the last week of the preseason.  It's going to take them a few games 
   to shake off the rust.  Meanwhile, let's pray the rest of the NFC East
   loses a few games.

2) SOMEONE TEACH THE SECONDARY HOW TO TACKLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   It seems going back to last year that the secondary (and the rest of the
   defense, I suppose), is trying to make push-tackles or flying grabs.  It
   ain't working.  Whatever became of good old drag 'em down tackling.
   Hell, get Andre Waters and Ronnie Lott in to lecture, if that's what it
   takes.

3) I've never particularly had faith in Goodburn.  New punter time, methinks.

4) Are our next few games on Astroturf?  Seems a couple nice bounces there
   got us out of several jams.

On the bright side, we've got four should-win games coming.  Let's get it
together!  I enjoy seeing Jerry Glanville get roughed up (on general
principles)

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Subject: Re: Packer E-mail?
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 13:51:20 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Sep9.122211.6592@iscsvax.uni.edu>, fitch@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Is there an E-mail newsletter for Packer fans?  If there are any, please E-mail
>the address to me or post it here.
>
>Thanks,
>Ron Fitch 
>University of Northern Iowa 
>
Let me know if you hear anything.  I haven't seen anything for 
Packer Fans.

BTW, how's Cedar Falls?  My hometown.
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From: stapleto@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Kathy Stapleton)
Subject: Re: Dallas 23 Washington 10
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:24:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.040752.4946@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
>
>	Great first MNF game. Dallas has won 23-10. Washington looked
>	pretty bad, not up to their Super bowl form, but I know the
>	fans of both teams will have things to say about this game...

     Does anyone out there have any ideas as to WHY the Redskins were
not up to their Super Bowl form????  I hear that Gibbs was saying that
the offense has been very unorganized as of late...and even though I
am a loyal Skin fan through and through, I cannot say even ONE nice
thing about this darn game.  Not ONE!  The touchdown made by the Skins
was pure luck and I could not believe all of those open holes that the
Skins defense let by so Emmett could strut his stuff to go another
game 100+ yards...  And I have NEVER NEVER seen the Redskin offensive
line do such HORRIBLE blocking for Ryp....I remember last year...only
*seven* sacks were allowed...  *Seven*!!!!!!!!!!!!  And this game,
*two*?  Anyone have any explanations?

>
>	Mark
>	GO VIKINGS!


     A very distraught,

     Kathy


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From: 99siraj@cua.edu (GO! SKINS KILL THE cowboys)
Subject: Re: Madden sucks (NOT!!!!!)
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:51:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.145302.8882@selway.umt.edu>, sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
> How many of you out there think that Madden is the WORST football announcer
> on the face of the planet...  Here are a few of his classic quotes..
> 
>--------------STUFF DELETED-----------

I think he is GOOOOOD


SKINS -  STILL THE SUPERBOWL CHAMPS 

Joy
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