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From: roek@kehaar.egr.msu.edu (Daniel Roek)
Subject: Re: How 'bout Zappa?!
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:44:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.090918.5466@rbdc.wsnc.org>, andy@rbdc.wsnc.org (Andy Pitts) writes:
|> TPCunn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Thomas P. Cunningham) writes:

|> I have never really been a Zappa fan.  I find most of his music pointless
|> and obscene (PLEASE DON'T FLAME ME ABOUT THAT STATEMENT, it is a purely
|> personal opinion and not meant to degrade Zappa or anyones elses opinion
|> of him... everyone has different tastes and they are all valid).  However
|> I recall hearing a few records in the late sixties that were instarmental
|> and great.  Unfortunately I don't remember any of the names.  Does anyone
|> have a list of some of his serious work?

If you're looking for a good place to start, I suggest _Hot Rats_, an
album that came out in either the late 60's or early 70's.  It's got 6
songs:  5 instrumentals & 1 mostly instrumental w/ a couple verses sung
by Captain Beefheart.

Zappa's music takes a little getting used to.  It turned me off at first,
but enough people I know insisted it was great, and now I love it.  It's
important to realize that much of his music is laced with humor of all
sorts.  It's best not to take him too seriously.  The music is unbelievable.
One of his songs, "Keep it Greasy," was recorded in 17/16 (I think) time.
Not many people could pull off a song like that and still make it flow as
well as it does.If want to ease into it, your best bet is one of the versions 
of _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore_.
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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: King Crimson
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:43:10 GMT

Dont get Hyper- but I have heard rumors of a Crimson reunion sans
Bruford.  I asked bill if he is going to be in it and he said that
he was asked but he declined.  I have heard the line-up is: Levin,
Belew, some new drummer, and somebody named Bob :^)
From: scf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.C. Farrar)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Don't forget MARILLION
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:40:30 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK


 Don't forget MARILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:48:20 EST
From: <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Listener's guide to Yes

This is posted for a friend, amosher@maestro.srcc.lsu.edu. Responses
can be sent there (or send them to me and I'll forward them.)

- - - - - -

It has been interesting reading the advice on how "to get into" Yes.
It makes old, geriatric fans like myself very, very happy.  It sort
of vindicates all of those years when people would roll their eyes
and make snide remarks.

At the same time, however, it makes an old, geriatric fan like
myself feel sad for those of you who are just getting into the
band now.  It really was a lot of fun "growing up" with Yes--
it was a bit like being on one of those fun-house rides at the
State Fair.  You never knew what was going to happen next.
Who's in?  Who's out?  Will they do short pieces?  Long pieces?
Will they tour after the album?  Before the album?  In fact,
that may be one of the best aspects of Yes, the fact that they
are predictably unpredictable.

In a way, you new fans are lucky.  You have 23 years worth of
material from which to pick and choose.  Old dinosaur fans had
no choice . . . . we had to do it in chronological order, which
may explain why our numbers dropped so during the late-70s.
Some of us, however, couldn't bear to leave the fold.

So, any wild predictions about the release date for the new album??
From: ukrainec@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Andrew Ukrainec)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Wakeman v. Emerson
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:18:02 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster Univ

In article <92322.042124MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>Okay,
>
>Cool group, first off!
>
>Who do you think is better? Wakeman or Emerson (is there someone else out there
>that compares to either of these virtuosi that should be here also, I don't
>know of any...) in your opinion...
>
>Please qualify your statement by stating which is either
>
>your favourite player
>
>who you think is technically better
>
>(I view those as two completely different questions)
>
>I will first off vote for Wakeman, he is flawless in so many styles (rock, new
>age, classical, jazz) and is not as flashy/cocky as Emerson (IMO)...
>
>My evidence is, of course, _Six Wives of Henry VIII_, which is flawless (well,
>not exactly, the other dudes in Yes don't play on the other 5 tracks  :P )

favourite player: Emerson
technically better: Emerson

I like Yes and Wakeman a lot, but for acoustic piano work there is no
comparison e.g.  "Take a Pebble", or solo on _Brain Salad Surgery_.

How about drummers?
favourite and technically the best: Bill Bruford
-- 
         Andrew Ukrainec                 ukrainec@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca 
          <    (*) >               /  \             < (*)    >           
Communications Research Laboratory      McMaster Univ, Hamilton, Ontario
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Artist sought
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:13:20 GMT

Does anyone rememeber the name of the Canadian
band who did that medley of Mozart's Queen of the
Night aria (and a very GOOD rendition, I might add!)
and the Rolling Stones Satisfaction (I think it was
Satisfaction)?


Buck
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From: analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Monahan)
Subject: Re: Wakeman v. Emerson
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:32:04 GMT

In article <l8y1dyb@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>In article <BxxszJ.CAy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, memmer@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Memmer) writes:
>
>|> Favorite and technically the best and (going with the spirit of this group)
>|> the most symphonic:
>|> 
>|>                    Neil Peart. Hands down.
>|> 
>|> And don't get me wrong; I really enjoy Yes, but Neil just has that "edge" that
>|> I, as a percussionist, can appreciate. 
>|> 
>|> Bill is a great drummer, though!
>|> 
>
>Neil is an excellent drummer BUT...
>
>	I have been to 3 rush concerts and heard several bootleg tapes
>	and it apperars to me that he plays the same solo every concert.
>	This is the only flaw I can find with Rush as a whole, Their
>	concerts are so well practiced that there's no room for spontenaity.
>	Bill Bruford can improvize circles around neil peart.  

	Bruford is an excellent drummer BUT...

	I love Bruford's work (especially those first few minutes of 
"Heart of the Sunrise"), but I wasn't impressed with his live performance.
Granted, I've only seen him in his more recent years, never in his prime,
so I may be way out of line here.
	However, as far as Peart live goes, yeah each solo sounds similar,
because each tour he takes parts of his solo and builds on it.  I don't 
know why, but it seems to be expected from him now.  Anyway, as far his 
improv goes, I would think it's a close call.  Peart has done some
amazing stuff (pieces of eight, the Buddy Rich Memorial Benefit thing),
and I think he's not only technically but improvisationally a serious 
force to be reckoned with. 

	Of course, so is Bruford......Hmmmmm......you know, we may 
never be able to PROVE who is best!!!!!  Huh.  


 
	The Analog Person-(Michael J. Monahan) analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
	Suffering is the origin of conciousness-Dostoyevsky
	We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost-Neil Peart
	Well, the silly party has won.  I believe this is largely due to 
	the number of votes cast!- Monty Python's Flying Circus 

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From: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)
Subject: JETHRO TULL CD
Keywords:  Jethro Tull, Tull, CD, wanted, LSO, Classic Case
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:14:13 GMT



If anyone has the CD _The London Symphony Orchestra Plays The Music
Of Jethro Tull:  A Classic Case_ (with the LSO and members of Tull playing),
and you'd be willing to sell it, please send me e-mail (see below).

Thanks in advance,
Brian Miller

miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (don't use after Nov. 20, please)
bnm3550@cs.rit.edu
BAM3550@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

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From: rwynne@nyx.cs.du.edu (Robert Wynne)
Subject: Re: Welcome to alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:20:04 GMT


Uh, please *DONT* reroute most of what has been posted here, thank
you.  I tried reading alt.music.progressive, once.  Bored me to 
tears.  This is much more interesting, and it does stick to the
topic the name of the newsgroup suggests.  I realize that this may
not have been your intent, but if the audience likes it, go for it.
(How many newsadmins are actually gonna*read* these groups anyway.
So long as its not mega-crossposted, it will be fine.

+doc

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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Let's not leave out the one and only GENESIS!!! :)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:44:39 GMT

In article <15530@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov16.210857.17419@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater) writes:
|> >Symphonic rock eh?  Let's not leave out Genesis....also, the Electric
|> >Light Orchestra, the Moody Blues, and King Crimson...
|>  
|> I can't believe that we've gone this far without someone mentioning
|> Renaissance.  The use of orchestras in rock music has, in general, been
|> done poorly.  Two bands that (IMHO) have successfully combined an orchestra
|> and maintained a rock sound are Renaissance and Caravan (New Symphonia).
|> 
|> -- 
|> +==========================================================================+
|> | John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
|> | johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
|> +==========================================================================+


Mahavishu Orchestra's Apocolypse is better integrated than both of these 
albums.  Michael Tilson Thomas even arranged it.
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From: pinghann@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Ping Hann Wang)
Subject: Re: Let's not leave out the one and only GENESIS!!! :)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:04:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.210857.17419@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater) writes:
>Symphonic rock eh?  Let's not leave out Genesis....also, the Electric
>Light Orchestra, the Moody Blues, and King Crimson...
>
>K. Cater.
>e-mail:"kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".

I just wonder if there is any "Barclay James Harvest" fan on the net.
Their music should fit in this category. This British band was quite
popular ( or at least many rock fans knew) in Taiwan back in 80's. 
However, I hardly found their records/CDs in record stores in LA (
I only found their albums once in Tower Records, but not now). Anyone
knows their latest work and where I can find it?


-- 
Pinghann Wang
UCLA Computer Science Department
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From: butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth)
Subject: Re: Yes
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:52:03 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10407]: sinbad


In article <1992Nov19.231715.21866@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson) writes:
>
> Rather than just list _my_ favorite Yes albums, which is what most
> people are gonna do, why don't you tell us what you liked/disliked
> about what you heard?  Some of your other favorite bands might help,
> as well.  There's a big difference between _Time & A Word_, _Fragile_,
> _Tormato_, and _90125_, and it would help the recommendation process
> if you gave us some assistance.
>
    Since I'm a member of Columbia House, I've already ordered the Classic
Yes album.  I haven't listened to Union that much at all.  In the way of
music, I like a big variety, but there are really only a few artists that I
currently listen to alot.  Those would be:  Rush, Pink Floyd, Metallica (I'm
not talking about just the new album either), and Steve Howe (Yes I know its
only one album, but Turbulance (sp?) is probably one of my favorite albums
right now).  I like really longer, instrumental, epic, -whatever- albums.
Something that I can really get into.  (that's why I thought that Tales...
might be good, but I've never heard it though).

> But if you have access to _Classic Yes_, find out what your favorite
> songs are, find the albums they're on, and start from there--there's
> some advice!

Thanks!  I think that's what I'll do.

>
> Thor Iverson

Blake
From: dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp (David J. Iannucci)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Yes/Tales
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:35:18 GMT
Organization: ATSON, Inc. (a subsidiary of the Asahi Shimbun)

I put it to you all that Yes' TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS is nothing
short of the greatest "piece" of music composed in this century.

This is not meant to start a flame war, just to see if there are others
out there who share my somewhat unconventional tastes :^)  Why is this
album so thoroughly overlooked?  Is it that your average jerk doesn't
have the attention span to handle it?

--
Dave Iannucci                                        dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp
Gaijin-in-residence                     ATSON/Trans Cosmos Inc., Tokyo, Japan
(They move fast)*(They tell me)*(There's someone)*(Rainbows)*(Alternate Tune)
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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Wakeman v. Emerson
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:33:56 GMT

I think eddie jobson's work with UK is highly reminiscent of
keith emerson, but cleaner (not necessarily better though).
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Yes/Tales
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.082911.10158@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, pieper@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (John Pieper) writes:

|> attention span of the average listener.  It must be admitted that the average
|> "rock" fan has not been educated to appreciate song structures more compli-
|> cated than verse/verse/bridge/solo/verse, or to notice that (for instance)
|> the bass line _here_ is actually taken from the melodic theme of another
|> section _there_.  On the other hand, those who can appreciate such things
|> are often too snobbish to listen to anything labelled "rock".  So it goes...

I have often been accused of being a musical snob along with my
"art/symph head" friends.  But would you fault van Gogh for not
being able to appreciate a velvet Elvis protrait?  Not that I 
compare myself to VanGogh but there comes a point in every 'serious'
listener/musician's development where they learn to discern crap
from quality.  The people I have found that enjoy art rock the most
are *usually* those with some musical background. agree? disagree?
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From: tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson)
Subject: Re: King Crimson
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:35:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.005617.9764@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> roth@csoadm.enet.dec.com (Lee Roth) writes:
> BTW- whatever happened to Robert Fripp?

Well, he released a ton of solo/sorta-solo projects (I was listening
to _I Advance Masked_ by Fripp/Summers this very morning), conducted
classes at his Institue For The Mystical Approach To Guitar Playing,
and is rumoured to be musing on King Crimson--The Next Generation.

Thor Iverson
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From: ron@vicorp.com (Ron Peterson)
Subject: Re: Art Bears
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:19:48 GMT

In article <tfx17gj@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of the Art Bears?
>Any fans?
>They are so dark it makes me shivver!!!
Good thing bears have thick coats and can hibernate.

 Tuxedomoon.

ron@vicorp.com or uunet!vicorp!ron
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From: andy@ice.stx.com (Andy Moore)
Subject: The irrelevance of BEST
Reply-To: andy@ian.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:13:54 GMT

Why all this facination with who's the "best" keyboard player, or drummer,
or janitor, or whatever?  What does "best" really mean?  Is there one
definitive "best"?

My point is that opinions about music and musicians (and just about
everything else, for that matter) are just that, *opinions*.  Totally
subjective.  In my opinion a lot of thought and discussion about the
"best" at _anything_ is basically a waste of time and effort.

If we must dissect music and musicians, why not speak in terms of
strengths and weaknesses, but even then I think it is all in the eye
of the beholder.  I'd much rather listen to music than discuss it, but
one thing discussion is good for is to hear about artists I've never
heard about before, and get some hints and clues as to what their
strengths are, what some good starting points for their music are.

For keyboardists, my favorites include Arkenstone, Banks, Berkey,
Ciani, Downes, Emerson, Jobson, Minnear, Moraz, O'Hearn, Wakeman,
and Winwood, just to name a few.  I like each for different things,
and refuse to narrow myself down to just a few or just one as "best".

I think personality is as important to a keyboardist as chops or
composition.  Emerson wouldn't work within the framework of Yes,
nor would Wakeman work well with Lake and Palmer.  Neither would
fit into Genesis as well as Tony Banks.

I ask that as we discuss various aspects of music and musicians here,
we try to do it with an open and curious mind.  There's plenty of
room in music for different styles, different levels of complexity,
etc.  If you've only got one or two favorite keyboardists, or groups,
or styles of music, then perhaps you should look around more, listen
to some new music, stretch yourself...

-- 
Andy Moore (andy@ice.stx.com)
______________________________________________________________________________
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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Wayside music
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:49:43 GMT

Wayside music caries a LARGE catalog of avant garde and symphonic rock.
I'll post their address later but these are some of the Bands they carry
on CD (from memory): 

	NorthWind
	Art Bears
	Cathedral
	Univers Zero
	ZNR
	Edhels
	Henry Cow
	Magma
	..However..
	and MANY MORE!!

all on mail order.

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From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant)
Subject: Re: First posting?
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:04:58 GMT

In article <RMF.92Nov16173245@chopin.cs.columbia.edu> rmf@chopin.cs.columbia.edu (Robert M. Fuhrer) writes:
>While we're on this tangent of symphonic instruments used in rock, there was a
>band about 12 years ago called "FM", one album of whose was titled "Phasers on
>Stun". The band included a certain Ben Mink on electric violin, who was also
>featured in the song "Losing It" on Rush's album "Signals"...
>
>So, anyone else heard of this band and know of other albums/activities?
>--
>
>-- Bob

	Huh?  I don't remember that title.  'FM', 'Black Noise', and one
	other, but P.O.S. does _not_ ring a bell.

	The guys of FM get all sorts of credits on several different Rush
	albums.  They were a Canadian band out on the road at about the same
	time as Rush was starting out (ie, FM's first album was from the
	'70's, not the '80's).


Mitch Gorman		srscnslt@telesciences.com		slave@work
			emrys@cellar.org			god@home

"Stand, on hills of long forgotten yesterdays..."
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From: jam+@cs.cmu.edu (Joe Mattis)
Subject: Re: First posting?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:49:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.141353.8270@dg-rtp.dg.com> cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.174924.27036@daimi.aau.dk>, lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen) writes:
>|> Shouldn't _Electric Light Orchestra_ be mentioned in such a list?
>|> Just a thought...
>
>Did they ever actually play *with* an orchestra?  I mean, they *were* an
>orchestra, so to speak.  Serious question here...

Yes, they did.  Like a number of other bands (The Nice, Pink Floyd,
EmersonLake&Palmer, Moody Blues, Procul Harem [sp?]), ELO did one major
project where a full orchestra was an integral component (not just an
after-the-fact veneer).  On ELO's "Eldorado", a full orchestra was used
both as bridging between songs and as primary instrumental components of
certain songs.  The best known song from that album is "Can't Get It Out
of My Head", which I still think is a great song.

Essentially, this album (ELO's 4th) fulfilled the vision that Roy Wood and
Jeff Lynne had when they started the group in the first place...taking what
they heard in the Beatle's "Strawberry Fields Forever" and bringing it
to fruition in a progressive rock conext.  And even though ELO eventually
degenerated into "Abba", at that time they *were* a highly progressive band.

Afterwards, Lynne said that he'd grossly underestimated (1) the logistical
difficulty of working with an orchestra, (2) the complexity of interleaving
a full orchestra with his band and (3) the arrogance of the classical
musicians.  He never really attempted another project like this again,
which paralleled the decisions made by most of the bands I mentioned above.
The side-long "Concerto for a Rainy Day" from "Out of the Blue" came
closest to a reprise, but the orchestra was used mainly as bridging.

Geez...I'm having a serious musicological discussion of ELO.  Or maybe
this is like twelve-step therapy.

-Joe Mattis    ARPA:  jam@isl1.ri.cmu.edu
               UUCP:  ...!ucbvax!isl1.ri.cmu.edu!jam@ucbvax.berkeley.edu

"Hello.  My name in Joe, and I was an ELO fan."
"Hello, Joe!"
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: And the third (and maybe fourth) Yes keyboardists:
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:53:55 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Nov19.195640.22714@njitgw.njit.edu>
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

> Any opinions on Patrick Moraz?

I can remember how bummed I was when Relayer came out and people were
telling me that Rick Wakeman wasn't on the album...but after I gave it
a listen, I was floored!  His synth work was stellar...unfortunately, I
haven't heard any of his solo stuff.

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:58:09 -0500 
From: Brian William Carroll <bc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How 'bout Zappa?!
	<1992Nov20.204406.247@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>

   I second the suggestion of 'Hot Rats'. That is a wonderful album. I
also suggest Some of the earlier MOI albums (Absolutely Free, Uncle
Meat) and also 'Studio Tan' and 'Sleep Dirt'.  Frank's late seventies
stuff is crude lyric wise but don't let that turn you off.  Frank (in my
opinion) is one of the top recent composers.  Also check out his
'serious' stuff (London Symphony Och., Perfect Stranger).

Brian
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