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From: awalsh@mta.ca (Andrew Walsh)
Subject: Marvel Deaths
Reply-To: awalsh@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:36:00 GMT

OK, we all know no superhero/villain can die in the Marvel 
Universe. Sure, some mortals do, Jean DeWolffe, Captain Stacy, 
even Bucky. But no hero will die. Let's go over who will be 
coming back soon.

1) Doug/Cypher/Warlock. They'll probably come back together as some

kind of symbiotic creature because they've combined so often.
2) Masque. But it looks like she/he/it may have some trouble doing
so. Maybe Apocalypse may grab her.
3) Mr. Sinister. Oops, he's back. Someone explain to me why Scott's
Optic Blast didn't quite do the trick.


Now, who's the ONE hero who died and hasn't come back YET?

None other than Captain Marvel. Yes, I'm almost positive that he's
coming back as part of this Galactic Storm. Maybe this has already
happened, if it has, I haven't seen it yet. His appearance in
Silver Surfer was a little too coincidental with the Storm. When/
if the Nega-bomb goes off, it'll probably bring him back to life,
a combination of that and his dying again in death. 

Either that, or it'll bring back the Beyonder:-)


Or maybe they will?

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From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans)
Subject: Re: X-Force Annual
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:29:32 GMT


Well, given the way that all the writers in the Annual were basically
knocking chunks out of Liefeld's ideas (as well as putting his writing
abilities to shame), I would imagine that (in that future, which may or
may not be the one we will witness) Feral will meet a rather sticky end,
as befits her. Domino, presumably, would quit after the death of Cable, as
she would have nothing to hold her to the group, or maybe she was kileld
along with Cable. And, to be honest, I reckon Boom-Boom would just get fed
up with the whole business and get back to ordinary life...oops, this is
Marvel, I almost forgot there...okay so she becomes the latest hot mutant,
spins off into her own solo book and guest stars in every other book every
3 months...:-)
jMike
From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Kreme, Just Kreme)
Subject: Cerebus 157 (Was: Re: CEREBUS: Dave Sim in Boulder)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12:20:57 GMT

kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (This is not really my name) writes:

>I got a chance to talk to Dave for a minute or two as he drew a very nice
>scetch of Theresa on my "First Half" poster.  I asked him directly if
>the third Aardvark would be revealed in issue #158 as I had been told by
>people on "the net."

I talked to Dave again on Sunday, and saw a preview of issue #157.  I didn't
read it, but looked through it quickly.

SPOILERS

Really Really Really


The last panel of #157 shows a huge disembodied hand reaching down from
the "sky" it's S. Po.

Are you sure?


The hand is much like Cerebus' and nbot at all like a human hand.  Looks
like S. Po is, in fact, the third aardvark.  (The hand even has short curved
"clawed" nails...)

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From: bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Thor update
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:02:30 GMT

zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:

>I know that people ask for updates all the time, but this is my first and only,
>so give me a break.  If someone has a lot of extra time on their hands and would like to e-mail me an update on what's been going on with Thor, esp. what      
>happened with Loki, and what's going on with three or four Thors, I'd be most
>appreciative.  If not, c'est la vie.

Please send it to bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com as well, or heck, why not
post it?

>Joe 
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From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:52:26 GMT

In <1992Apr9.152653.21918@midway.uchicago.edu> wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan "T2" Wen) writes:

>I picked up a serialized TPB by Alan Moore and Alan Davis the other day called
>DR and Quinch, a collection of humorous episodes from 2000 AD (?) about two
>violent, ruthless teenage aliens.  Very funny.

That's "D.R. & Quinch's Totally Awesome Guide to Life" from Titan
Books.  Titan also has two volumes of Moore's short stories from
2000AD, which are titled Alan Moore's Shocking Futures and AM's
Twisted Times; many (but not all) of these are time-travel stories.

And who could forget his Ballad of Halo Jones, with Ian Gibson art, in
three volumes from Titan?

       Michael Stoodt
From: tneeck@math.macalstr.edu (The sound of hoofprints 'cross the glade...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Crossover from hell?!?
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:58:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac.1992Apr15.195845.2481
Reply-To: tneeck@math.macalstr.edu (Your ads here)

<U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes
[Really killer fix-the-Marvel-universe plotline deleted]
> Doug.
> 
> One more, I Hercules, have carried the day with my awesome might!  I, oh,
> hello little girl.  You come to admire the Prince of Power?
> Shuh.  Wanna marble?
> Why thank you for yon trinket little one.  I shall carry it in my loin pouch
> all >BOOM!< (in Mickey voice) my days and nights.  Now if I can find a  
surgeon
> to reattatch a few things, I will leave you for now.
> ACE STRIKES AGAIN

	AAACK!  Who let HER off the TARDIS???...

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Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:29:29 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

My favorite PAD story is the entirety of "Atlantis Chronicles," since it was
the most ambitious and (I like to think) succeeded as a single creative unit.

My least favorite is "Web of Spider-Man #12."  I tried to wrap up a two 
parter started by another writer, and ultimately think I did a lousy job of
it.  What I tried to do is tell a story about how easy it is for even the 
most noble of people to rationalize doing the wrong thing.  But I don't think
I pulled it off.

PAD
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From: MHART00@ricevm1.rice.edu (mason hart)
Subject: Re: The Little Mermaid #4: Submerged in Horror
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:37:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.225739.1@fnalb.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalb.fnal.gov (I Elmo) w ites:

>   The disturbing subtext I get from _Mermaid_ and pretty much every other
>Disney film is this:
>   Everyone falls in love forever at sixteen.  Love lasts forever.  Once
>you're in love, your life will be perfect.
>   Contrast this to the actual life that six-year-olds see:  divorced
>parents, loveless marriages, domestic violence, parents who dominate or
>manipulate or play mind games with their children.  I can't possibly blame tha
>on Disney, but Disney is not giving children anything resembling realistic
>expectations for their future.  Instead of learning how to love, children are
>being taught that they will fall in love and live happily ever after.

It's a FAIRY TALE for God's sake!  Speaking as a kid who lived through
a very hostile divorce at a young age, it was a great comfort to know
that someone somewhere was living happily ever after -- even if they
were animated characters in a Disney film.  That's what Fairy Tales are
for -- not to teach us about the real world, but to give us an escape
into a world that's a little bit better.

"If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong."

-- mason
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Detective 644
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:55:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Apr10.191424.12584@cis.ohio-state.edu>, scott@cis.ohio-state.edu (Scott E. Rice) writes:
> 
> Detective 644 was great.  The story and art are fantastic.  I love the new
> Robin.  The character is shaping a lot better than I had hoped. The plot was 
> one of the better Bats I have read in a while.  Tim is becoming the worlds 
> second best detective, after Batman of course.  I also like the idea of two 
> electricustioners.  I was on the edge of my seat and can`t wait for the next
> issue.  I only thing is that Robin needs a way of getting aroung.  Give him a 
> Honda Elite scooter, he legally old enough for one and I sure it wouldn`t hurt
> Bruce's wallet either.  Alfred doesn't need to be taking him everywhere, when
>  is he going to clean the mansion.  Pretty soon Alfred will get in the middle 
> of something and he'll be kidnapped.  Finally if Gordon can't figure out you 
> Tim is with his hair, I think that it is time for a new Police chief.
> 
You've hit the nail on the head.  The Gotham police suck.  That's why they
need Batman.(Who, while it has been mentioned explicitely since Crisis, had
sure as Hell better be deputized by now!:-))

> Scott
> 
> 
> Give Robin his own series and long lives Bats
>
From: mkelly@wimpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Killing Joke (help needed)
Reply-To: mkelly@wimpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:58:05 GMT

 Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:

	[How can someone tell what print run his copy of "The Killing Joke"
is from]


|> Since others have replied to your question, I'll take the opportunity to 
|> address a peripheral issue: what the heck does anyone care, anyway?  Especially
|> with a book like this.  In my opinion, paying inflated prices for a first
|> printing of Killing Joke when you can get an Xth printing for cover price
|> is idiotic.  I don't understand the rationale, maybe someone out there can
|> enlighten me.  

	What *I* don't understand is why some of the price guides have *third*
printings worth more than cover! I'm pretty sure B:tKJ is now in its seventh or
so print run, but really. I cannot imagine that there is a "market" for a third
printing of any book with such a large number in circulation.


|> And yes, I think it's one of the best comics ever done.

ditto.

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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Informal discussion: rec.arts.comics.{indy?}
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 23:07:02 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>Yes, we do have an "I only read indies" contingent, and an even larger
>"I never read Marvel" contingent, but they both seem relatively small.
>Besides, [IMO] too much of the most interesting or useful traffic on this
>group fails to fall into neat publisher categories.

>The kind of reorganization that *has* been able to garner general support
>is the more modest splintering off of specialized topics, such as in the
>recently created r.a.c.marketplace, and in the work-in-progress r.a.c.strips.

Maybe the way to get r.a.c split is to use the elephant sculpture
method:  get a big piece of stone, and cut away everything that doesn't
look like an elephant.  Marketplace seems to be working, r.a.c.strips is
spectacularly successful.  R.a.[comics.]manga is under discussion.  One
comment that's come up again and again in strips is "Gee, I always avoided
r.a.comics but this strips group is for me!"

I suggest we try to create rec.arts.comics.independent.  This would be for
discussion of comic books which are done by small press companies, self
published, or otherwise done independantly of the big two.  The charter
should explicitly avoid the name and number of the big guys, on the
assumption things will change over time.  Most of what goes out on the
comix mailing list fits into that category; perhaps the group would be
better named r.a.c.comix.  The comix mailing list isn't drowning in
volume, but I suspect there's a bit of pent-up readership for this topic
which is unable to deal with the volume of r.a.c.  Other names are
solicited.
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From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:07:25 GMT
Reply-To: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Organization: SPAMIT
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>Mmm.  Tough question.  I'd have to go with X-Factor #71, simply based on
>comparing it to the previous writer.  It was an extremely refreshing change.

Death of Jean DeWolff.  Nicely paced, a few quips, hints of real people
peeking out from behind the characters.  The cliches/humor didn't dominate
the storyline, but were harnessed to it.  Atlantis Chronicles was also quite
good, for much the same reasons.

>This is a tie between his ST novel _The Rift_ and the Crazy Eight issue of 
>_Hulk_.  The first was just a horrbile piece of work, with a cliched intro,
>uncomfortably quirky characterisation, and an illogical plot.  The intro
>especially stands out.

While The Rift isn't my favorite Star Trek novel (sadly, I still have a fond
place in my heart for the Phoenix books, as well as Diane Duane's novels) I
don't think it's that bad.  At times, the plot seems forced and cliched, but
there are some different, interesting takes on Star Trek there, as well as some
parts that haven't been discussed in other novels/episodes/movies before. 
Indeed, there are two things I look for in novels of this type; one is new
unexplored parts of the Star Trek universe, and the other is parts which 
*exactly* match my take on the characters (which is difficult).  Has anybody
read the latest joing novel (co-authored by Peter David)?

>However, most of the rest of his work is above-average.  I certainly liked
>Atlantis Chronicles (although the sales of the series point to me being one
>of the few).  And his Starman issue with Mr. Nebula was funny, although it
>resorted to some cliched plot elements (probably Mr. David's greatest weakness
>as a writer).  

Maybe this is saying the same thing, but I think Peter David's greatest
weakness is when he lets the humor/dialogue/cliches (which is his strength,
IMHO) overwhelm everything else in the book.  So far, his X-Factor and Hulk
work has kept the humor in check, and even harnessed it perfectly at some
points.




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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Ultron's Last Stand Part II
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:03:11 GMT

	This was awesome...I loved it loads!!!  Ten Thumbs Up!!!

	The problem is, it's too good; Marvel would have no choice but to 
reject it...  %-] 

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From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: rec.*.manga straw poll voting time extended to April 15th.
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:33:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr11.223338.20275
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


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Richard Butler mentions extending the voting time on the straw poll -
 
The first call for votes was sent out midday Saturday the 4th - and was
 sent to alt.manga, rec.arts.anime, and news.groups.  I have reason to
 believe it only made it to r.a.anime.  I resent that message on Tuesday
 the 7th, to alt.manga, r.a.anime, news.groups, and r.a.comics.  I know
 for certain that it made it to the first three, but haven't checked
 r.a.comics.  A third and final call for votes was sent out on the 9th,
 to the four aforementioned groups.  This call for votes made it to all
 four groups successfully.
 
If straw poll CFV #1 had been successful, I would have said that there
 was indeed enough time to respond.  But that wasn't the case.
 
Therefore, voting time has been extended to 12 noon CDT, April 15th.
 
Individual acks have been sent out to all respondents so far (122 in all).
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From: aa719@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stan M. Mangrum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-FORCE: Warpath
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:50:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr9.175052.9452
Reply-To: aa719@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stan M. Mangrum)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)



With the release of the X-Men Cards, I offer this question
for discussion. What is the true size of Warpath? According
to his x-card, he's 6'1" and weighs 214 lbs. Cable's listed
at 6'8" and 350 lbs. But since the creation of X-Force, I've
never seen a picture where Warpath was smaller than Cable.
I know as a Hellion, Warpath was normal sized. So what's the
deal?

Before those of you who are not so fond of Liefeld ignite 
your Liefeld designated flame-throwers, consider that 
McFarlane also drew Warpath oversized in the crossover.  
The new guy who took over pencil duty with X-Force #10 (Mark 
Pacella)? It appears that he is drawing Warpath as a huge 
behemoth as well. And what about those editors? Shouldn't
they catch this sort of thing?

Any insight out there?

St.

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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Stop blaming Marvel!
Keywords: stop blaming Marvel
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:08:12 GMT
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

In article <BXsqiB2w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-vampire@jwt.UUCP (Aaron Leitch) writes:
>I don't get it.  All of you guys are comic collecters right?  So, why do 
>you keep saying how bad Marvel is getting?  If it's so bad, STOP 
>COLLECTING!  And, if you want to say why a comic sucks, tell us exactly 
>why.  Is the idea behind the character stupid.  His/her personality?  The 
>writting?  The art?  Come on guys, be professional about it.  Give Marvel 
>something they can work with if you want it fixed.
>

First off, opinions don't have to backed up, as they're opinions and therefore
not arguable.

I'm a comic store manager (I manage two shops in Victoria).  I read every
single last comic in the store, and have done so every week for the last
five years.  I've discovered that Marvel puts out very little good material.
I enjoy Daredevil, Hulk, X-Factor...hmm.  That's all I can think of right now.

I don't like X-Men -- Jim Lee isn't a particularly skilled artist.  He uses
stock poses.  Uncanny is slightly better as Portacio is a master at the
cinematic approach.  I got tired of Ghost Rider after Saltares left the title
because Texeira's faces are annoying.  Captain America doesn't appeal to me
simply because I'm not American.  Alpha Flight's writers obviously don't know
anything about Canada.  Shield is nothing but a slugfest, issue after issue,
with no meaning or end in sight.  I could go on forever.

The point is, the writing in a comic book is more important to me (and many
of the rac'ers here) than the art.  I can't remember the last time I've seen
true character growth in a Marvel book (with the exception of X-Factor,
Hulk, and Daredevil).  Wolverine has had some character growth, but we'll
never see him have a moment of epiphany.

True character growth is rare in Marvel books.  Simply changing a costume,
or powers, or moving them to another team, is not character growth.  Growth
results from a characters changing (for better or worse) from tthe 
stimulus of psychological opposition.  The second Captain Marvel grew as a
character and under pressure revealed leadership skills which led her to be-
come the leader of the Avengers.  Is Cable two-dimensional?  Ghost Rider?
Definitely.  However angst-filled they are, however much they moan and clench
their temples, they don't grow.  Without growth, the character stagnates.
Stagnant characters make for terrible stories.


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