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From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: A history of Black Americans {In Their Own Words}
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:33:34 GMT



>
>Here are personal accounts of slaves and free Blacks, of abolitionists, of
>soldiers in the Civil War, from the great years of Reconstruction when Blacks
>voted and held office and made laws, and the long dark decades the followed
>the overthrow of reconstruction.
>
>Then their are the reports of the mass migration from the cotton fields of the
>South to the big cities of the North and West, and the deep changes in Black
>life it brought about and much much more.
>
>The book:  The Black Americans; subtitle : A History in Their Own Words 1619-
>1983, a Harper Trophy Book, Harper and Row, Publishers, edited by Milton
>Meltzer.
>


    Thanks, has anyone read" Two Nations: Black and white,separate,hostile

    unequal" by Andrew Hacker? I highly recommend it. This is by a white

    man who somehow sees things as they really are.

						   Carlyle
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:40:08 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct6.030654.2241@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:

>To summarize, my basic point below is:  Do we and the media need to
>pay significantly more attention to our language in order to eliminate
>irrelevant and harmful categorization of people by physical characteristics?

>Details:
>I was recently disturbed by a headline that Denver's "biggest" newspaper,
>the Rocky Mountain News, ran on the front page.  It had a picture of a
>newly appointed judge to Colorado's Supreme Court, namely DU law professor
>Gregory Scott, and his family.  Above the picture in large print it said
>"Black named to high court".

>My instant thought was that this sounded like language that only serves
>to increase an existing tension among people, namely people who happen
>to have different skin color.

>This is where I'd like some opinions.  My feeling is skin color should be as
>important in society no more and no less than any other physical characterstic
>such as shoe size, length of left pinky finger, thickness of ear drum, etc.

>My first thought was that if it had said, "Size 10 named to high court" it
>would sound extremely, well, silly.  As in, so what?  Lots of folks wear
>size 10 shoes.

The problem with your analysis is that it is ahistorical.  While you
might like to live in a society in which a person's skin color is no
more relevant than their shoe size, at the moment, you don't.  You
live in a society in which a person's skin color is highly
determinative (although less so than in the past) of their social and
economic class, and of how they are perceived by others.

Consequently, Professor Scott's skin color IS newsworthy.  Just as it
was newsworthy when JFK became the first Catholic president, or when
Brandeis the first Jewish Supreme Court justice.

A more subtle question is: was it bad judgment to put Professor
Scott's race in the headline, or should it have been kept in the text
of the article?

That's a closer call.  By saying "black named to high court" the
headline implies that Professor Scott's race is not only significant,
but is the most important fact about his nomination.  Moreover, it
reifies him as a "black" rather than as a jurist, or a human.  (In
ways that Clarence Thomas's supporters did, to his benefit).  On the
other hand, if Colorado's racial climate is so bad as to make such an
appointment otherwise shockingly surprising, then perhaps the headline
was appropriate, since it would probably be the most interesting thing
in the article.





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The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
From: bld5g@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Beneita Lavon Dennis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: African-American Literature and History for the Young
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:37:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct5.163759.15720
Organization: University of Virginia


	As an African-American woman and a future elementary
teacher, I feel that it is very important to teach our children
pride in themselves and in their heritage.  To achieve this, I
feel that they must be exposed to media which shows how great,
they as African-Americans can be.  

	However, most of the literature which expresses the
beauty and importance of our history is written at a level that
is beyond the understanding of the average elementary
student.  Therefore, if anyone knows of books or films about
African-American history or that have African-Americans as the
main character which will appeal to a young mind please email
me at bld5g@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

					Thank you,
					Beneita Dennis
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From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Apportioning blame
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:53:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Sep29.022253.14662@m.cs.uiuc.edu> carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:

# In article <1992Sep29.002858.681@morrow.stanford.edu>,
# HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford. edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
# > Health care, like
# > public schools, is not a privilege, its a basic human right.
#
# False. If you were the only human alive, you'd have neither. Your
# "basic human rights" would be violated. But who, exactly, would be
# violating them?

Oh, please spare us the silly, reductionist arguments.  By that same
sort of law-of-the-jungle logic, you would have no right to private
property, and all your elegant economic theories would come crashing
down.

We are supposedly talking about the functioning of a cohesive human
society.  So let's redefine "basic human rights" as "the minimum
services that people can rely on" to maintain that cohesiveness.

I don't understand why economic conservatives have such a hard time
conceptualizing people as resources.  While you whine about
percentages of taxation, you completely ignore the money you are
losing to fight crime and pay for its consequences.  You ignore the
lack of productivity inherent in failing to educate people in the
first place and then allowing them to fall victim to easily curable
medical problems.

Can it be a coincidence that the countries that have been catching up
with and passing us have also been making long-range investments in
their own people?

David
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: WCF Syndrome (was Re: Pessimism)
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:30:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pslu1.1992Sep30.193050.12132
Distribution: usa
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <1992Sep30.171118.1170@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp  
(Michael Friedman) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.190941.17892@morrow.stanford.edu>  
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep29.170119.1020@oracle.us.oracle.com>,
> >mfriedma@uucp (Michael"Stupidity Reigns" Friedman) writes:
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     No, No, NO!!!!!!! Not the "William Carter Franklin (WCF) Syndrome"  
again! :-)

Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:43:23 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: In the wrong place, at the wrong time


The situation is Minneapolis that Malcolm Moore is talking about is the same
thing all over again. Black folx are getting hassled by police more, because
the police harrass everybody. It is unfortunate that Haff(?) got shot, or any-
body for that matter.


The situation reminds me of what happened in DC last year where a
Congressman's aid was shot. The Capitol Police went out on a dragnet to get
the killer. I don't condone the cold-blooded murders, but I believe, in both
cases, the killers got slammed bigtime. It seems when a white person is killed
by a black, justice is carried out to full extent of the law. The reverse does
not happen w/ the same rigor.

My sister-in-law tells about the situation in LA, when the riots, took place
that the police instigated the rioters just moments before the rioting
started. But what was shown on TV was black folx rioting and tearing up the
city. Of course we know, not all the looters were black.

I think what's going to happen in the Twin Cities is police will find the guy
who shot the officer, and the courts will slam him hard. Justice is blind when
it comes to black folx, because we never seem to get any.



Fred Rozenblad
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron)
Subject: Re: Marxism (was Re: Pessimism
Date: 05 Oct 92 04:25:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep27.043707.12309@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>This is in reply to cwm54@cas.org (), who wrote:
>It's very hard to say to someone like you, Carlyle, who obviously
>accepts the Marxist outlook on these things as the closest to telling
>it like it is that in fact it ain't.
>
>I passionately believe, as does any good parent over in Japan, that
>if today's kids are all educated it will *create* jobs.  That's the one
>reason to hang onto Jack Kemp with all his shortcomings, unseemly
>affiliations, and conservatism: because he really thinks there's room
>for everybody to be their best (at least philosophically this is his
>message).  I do too.
>
>You *are* making "judgments on the right or wrong of ... our economic
>system" because you don't believe in capitalism tenet of expansion,
>in fact hold strong to the opposite view, which is that the proles
>only have so much to take, and if one swipes a job, why, some other
>poor slob is out his.
>
>That's not to take away the insult of life as it is.  Just to say
>that we don't all call that view "reality," it is actually what you
>first called it, pessimism.
>
/* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- */

The problem with capitalism is that it lead to monopolies and/or oligopolies.
In order to expand you have to find either new markets or obtain additional
market share.  If you do not have an expanding ecomony then the only way to
gain additional market share is by obtaining your competitor's share.  Thus
power and control redistributes upward.  Also expansion cannot continue
unabaited without undue environmental problems.  Thus for capitalism to be
just system it must be restrained.  However Jack Kemp was a major architect
in the unrestraining of capitalism in the early 80's as co-sponsor of the
Kemp/Roth 1981 tax-cut that distributed wealth upward and the expense of
the vast majority of the society in hopes that economic activity would
"trickle-down".  The media conveniantly omits this major piece of information
when they refer to him.  His enterprise zone initiative is also another of
his trickle down schemes that assumes that business incentives will revitalize
the economies in urban areas.  Only until capitalism is restrained or replaced
with a socially democratic and sustainable economy will you have an equitable
system and society..

ChrisWa.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: In the wrong place, at the wrong time
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:00:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.015605.13617@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
>
>It's funny that you would say "right place."  If I was stupid enough
>to go join the police force, I would hope that I wouldn't get caught
>out in the open, specially at a KNOWN cop hangout, if I was shakin
>people down.  I would hope that I would be slicker than that.  My
>uncle (Tom) Chester is in the San Jose police force and he don't go
>chillin at no cop hangouts.
.
.
On second thought, after checking the other responses on the board
to your post, I personally think it was a rubout by someone who
probably doesn't have any gang affiliation whatsoever.  Probably
knew the dude. Didn't someone say he was jacking up some folk before
he got smoked?  Someone definitely wanted to leave his calling card,
and doing it at a known cop corner...sheeeit.
.
.
>See, that's really a trip.  When white people smoke black people (or
>when they smoke their own), they don't go blamin and jackin up the
>whole race.  This dude named Robert Lund (whose dad founded this
>richy-rich grocery store chain called Lund's) offed his wife and her
>lover and now he's gettin bumped between psycho wards, one of which is
>a few blocks from my house.  A gang member walks in and smokes a cop
>and all of a sudden it's OPEN SEASON ON ALL YOUNG BLACK NIGGERS!!!!
>Hmmmm, I wonder why that is.  I just wonder.
.
.
I still think I hope they find the dude who did the killing.
However, we shouldn't even wonder about the inner workings of
certain PDs around the country.  I mean, hey...  It just begs the
question.
.
Your Lund description sounds like the rat that killed his wife and
unborn child in Boston and blamed it on any ol' black guy in
Roxbury.  Remember that one?  Folks were outraged at the mass
sus-pickups of brothers...and then they find out the white guy did
it himself...one thing for sure, black folks have LOOOOOONG
memories. No one's ever going to forget that one.

>
>Well, so far he (the assistant chief) ain't bucked yet.  They did a
report on him and he >said he had zero regrets for establishing
dialogues with the gangs.  >We'll see how he stands up if it
eventually comes down to this.
.
.
Then, he must have balls, so far.
From: jthomp@mainz-emh2.army.mil (JEFFREY THOMPSON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Gays {The Carl Lewis discussion}
Date: 30 Sep 1992 11:23:55 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


You said it brother. I feel that the word "nigger used in a particular
context by a particular individual holds thhe meaning intended. Like


"Michael Jackson is one bad nigger. Wow! Give me five bro!!". Or
Cif you say something like, "Nigger you ain't s...!", you get an immediate
impression of what is meant here; and in this case you'd better put up
your dukes.

Jeff


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles)
Subject: Re: Malcom X School
Reply-To: david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:27:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.135306.9500@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>In article <11235@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo) writes:
>>>upset. 
>>
>>Just as Irish, Sicilians, Japanese and Chinese have, Black Americans
>>must renounce their mindlessly stupid cultural heritage (just as I
>>
>that's only partly true joachim.  you may have renounced your cultural
>heritage [although i suspect it actually went the other way], but you're
>still MINDLESSLY STUPID!
>
>>>Edward A. Haskin
>>>Graduate Student
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Waste of taxpayer money.
>>
>>-- 
>>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  yet another *failed* abortion
>
"yet another *failed* abortion" = YAFA

I *like* it!!!!


-- 
****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   Grumman Data Systems
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Marxism (was Re: Pessimism
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:15:22 GMT

This is in reply to Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>, who wrote:
:Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 27-Sep-92 Marxism
:(was Re: Pessimism by Mr Aaron Barnhart@gagme. 
:> Preeeech.  ("And who is one's own?" said Jesus.  It's your neighbor,
:> regardless of skin, money, gender, or otherwise.)
:
:Its funny how many of us seem to be stuck in the same neighborhoods, and
:often those which are plagued by decaying infrastructures and looked on
:with apathy by the federal govt.
:
:Just a view.
:

I understand -- but by "neighbor" I didn't just mean next door,
know what I mean?

Aaron

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Af-Ams in the U.S. Military
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:34:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1992Sep30.171616.1458@oracle.us.oracle.com> by mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman):

> In article <1992Sep30.001408.27526@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
> 
> 
> >Both my father and stepfather have served in the armed forces.
> >Usually that meant you got the GI Bill, which allowed for schooling
> >to help you get a job later, and also helped on the down payment for
> >a house.  So much for how Fed programs are too bloated, help like
> >this was a leg up for young black men after WWII and Korea.  Now, I
> >believe, the Bill is gone.  Correct me if I'm wrong, folks.
> 
> You are wrong.  The GI Bill is live and well.  I'm not sure if it's
> still called the GI Bill, but the military pays a big chunk of your
> college costs after you put in a few years.

The Bill disappeared for a while after Vietnam.  I got "VEAP" which means that
you had to pay into it to get something out.  It was two for one on their part.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Discrimination in Science?
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:15:56 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

   I am in a class called Publications, Presentations, and Grants in
the Life Sciences. Next Tuesday, Oct. 6th, we are having a discussion
on discrimination in science and its ramifacations. The instructor
is centering the discussion on sexual discrimination which has been
well documented. I asked if we could discuss racial discrimination
and he said we could but that he had no papers on the topic. He also
said that if he had seen one we would be discussing it too.

Anyway does anyone out there know of a paper that discusses racial
discrimination in the sciences either in general or in specific?

Would you please give me a reference if you have one?


Peace, but not without justice,

Zip
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Af-Ams in the U.S. Military
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:26:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pslu1.1992Sep30.192650.12027
Distribution: usa
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <1992Sep30.001408.27526@morrow.stanford.edu>  
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
> Both my father and stepfather have served in the armed forces.
> Usually that meant you got the GI Bill, which allowed for schooling
> to help you get a job later, and also helped on the down payment for
> a house.  So much for how Fed programs are too bloated, help like
> this was a leg up for young black men after WWII and Korea.  Now, I
> believe, the Bill is gone.  Correct me if I'm wrong, folks.

     The GI Bill disappeared from the mid-60's to the mid-70's, but it's  
back now, basically because it was found to be an effective recruitment  
tool for the volunteer military. The soldiers also get a VA housing  
voucher, which lets them buy a house of up to $140,000 at a discounted  
interest rate and even without a down payment. I believe the VA even sends  
its own inspectors to check out the prospective house to make sure that it  
meets all the building codes. In addition, whenever a veteran takes a  
Civil Service exam, s/he gets something like 15 percentage points added to  
his/her score as a reward for having served in the military. This gives  
veterans a key advantage over civilians wrt government employment.
 

Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: oguocha@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: RE: Readership for the s.c.a. groups
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:30:33 GMT

Boy, we are trying!!!!
Go on and give us more news and we shall rank 100th next time.
thank you for the good job you are doing.
oguocha.
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Atlanta Project
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:25:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct4.193959.7139@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>:the article was pretty interesting but i would comment that the wall
>:street journal is very unlikely to present the point of view of civil
>:rights leaders in its articles...
>
>Well, hold on, now.  There's the WSJ editorial pages, and then there's
>the WSJ news pages, and never the twain shall meet.  The non-op/ed
>reporters and writers are not held to any litmus tests at all.  One of
>them, James Stewart, has become (ironically) quite wealthy bashing
>the Wall St. industrial complex.

>Aaron

	There was also a very good article about two years ago about fast-
food consumption in American inner cities (ie, among blacks and hispanics)
where most people were eating at McDonald's, Burger King, etc at a much
higher rate than others. They also mentioned the questionable quality of
fast food, and the heavy advertising by those companies in inner cities.

-- 
Patrice Simon
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