From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging 
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:59:02 CDT

In article <BuF0qw.3BD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>Andy V. seems to agree with Bobby Knight's statement that sometimes
>women should just "lay back and enjoy it", rape that is. 


Hunh? Did I miss something? I don't remember Bobby Knight's post or if
he made a statement like that (or perhaps my newsfeed ate it while I was
in Japan), but I *did* read - and agree with - Andy's post, which questioned
some of the assumptions and methods of MM. At no point did Andy say
anything remotely akin to "Women should just lie back and enjoy it", or
"Model Mugging is useless, so there's nothing a woman can do, so women
should just lie back and enjoy it".   

Perhaps your strong feelings about your friend's rape have coloured your
reading of views which question or are critical of the MM methodology?

Assigning a view like that to Andy is extremely unfair, and outrageously
out of alignment with his actual views (not to mention his wrist and his
elbow). I haven't finished catching up on all the articles posted on this 
topic yet, so forgive me if this is redundant.

For what it's worth, a police officer (female) recently came to our
workplace to talk about self defense and rapists/etc. She said that the
police had categorized thirteen different 'types' (styles?) of rapist,
and that any given response would work against some and infuriate the
others to do worse damage, therefore, the police did not recommend *any*
specific 'tried and true - this will always work' techniques. Fighting
works sometimes and enrages others to murder. Talking ("I'm a human 
being too") works sometimes and feeds precisely into the sick thrill
of others. She mostly recommended trying to stay alert to and out of
bad situations (which, of course, doesn't help you if you end up in
one anyway). Personally, I was not very favourably impressed with her
or her suggestions/precautions/etc., since *she* seemed more of the
"gosh, if you get attacked, you just won't know *what* 'style' of
rapist it is, so you won't know if what you do will work or make it
worse, so I guess I just don't have anything much to tell you that's
helpful if it actually happens to you" school of thought. I must say,
I did speak up and SUGGEST A FEW THINGS! Which seemed to just *amaze*
and impress the police officer. Since they were not rocket-scientist-
level suggestions, again, I was not too impressed with her (anecdotal
details, for those who want them, available via e-mail). She seemed to 
favour an attitude and lifestyle of "It's really dangerous out there, 
and if you're really worried about it, you should just turn your house 
into a fortress and hide there. Not that even that will work all the time". 

For the third time, I was NOT favourably impressed.

However, that is all off the point, which was, originally, intended to
be an indignant defense of Andy's honour. Pardon me while I leap to the
castle's stone window sill, clamber part-way down a vine, jump onto
a palace guard, knocking him off his horse, vault onto his horse, and
thunder across the rising moat bridge into the depths of Sherwood Forest.

ps - sorry for the personal aside, but:  

Speaking of Forrest, I can't get mail to you! It keeps bouncing. How about
you give me a number to call via e-mail so we can arrange details? Thanks.

-Lauren