HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton)
Subject: Shostakovich sampler
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:00:24 GMT

Since this is the second time (as far as I can remember) someone has asked
for an introduction to Shostakovich, I think it might be a good idea to
create a sampler tape for this newsgroup.  Everyone can contribute 
his or her favorite symphony or concerto movement, short piece, etc. 
and see if one 90 minute cassette can be put together.  I think we can
excape copyright problems because I am proposing only building a tape
of excerpts.

Any ideas?  Good idea?  Flames belong in /dev/null. ;)

-- 
Bob Sutton                        Love, most bitterly and fiercely oppresses
bobs@gnu.ai.mit.edu		  those who fight it than those who offer
al876@cleveland.freenet.edu       their servitude.    -- Ovid (Amores)
rsutton@eis.calstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: 10th symphony
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:12:51 GMT

In article <Nov06.054045.50339@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben) writes:

>Can I get you guys to give me your recommendation(s) for the 10th?  From what
>I have been told, this is the best piece to go on to after the 5th, which,
>by the way, I am realy beginning to like!

I don't necessarily believe that the 10th is a logical progression from
the fifth.  Oddly, I find the fifth to be "different" from most of DS's
symphonic works, and not really typical at all.  Certainly, it his most
well-known piece (read: "accessible"?).  My opinion on the 10th?  Skip
it and go straight to either the 8th or the 11th.  If movements 2 and 3
of the 8th or mvmnt 1 of the 11th don't keep you coming back for more
DS, then nothing will.  The 10th is too minimal for my tastes.  I much
prefer his bombastic side, and no. 10 only gives you this in the all too
brief 2nd movement and the triumphant flourish at the very end of the
symphony.
 
>P.S.  Why is there no alt.fan.mahler ??? 

Because all the Mahler fans are in depression clinics without access to
the net.



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Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben)
Subject: 10th symphony
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 05:40:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Can I get you guys to give me your recommendation(s) for the 10th?  From what
I have been told, this is the best piece to go on to after the 5th, which,
by the way, I am realy beginning to like!

Thanks...

Mike Hurben

P.S.  Why is there no alt.fan.mahler ??? 


Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton)
Subject: Re: 10th symphony
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.211251.23586@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <Nov06.054045.50339@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben) writes:
>
>>Can I get you guys to give me your recommendation(s) for the 10th?  From what
>>I have been told, this is the best piece to go on to after the 5th, which,
>>by the way, I am realy beginning to like!
>
>I don't necessarily believe that the 10th is a logical progression from
>the fifth.  Oddly, I find the fifth to be "different" from most of DS's
>symphonic works, and not really typical at all.  Certainly, it his most
>well-known piece (read: "accessible"?).  My opinion on the 10th?  Skip
>it and go straight to either the 8th or the 11th.  If movements 2 and 3
>of the 8th or mvmnt 1 of the 11th don't keep you coming back for more
>DS, then nothing will.  The 10th is too minimal for my tastes.  I much
>prefer his bombastic side, and no. 10 only gives you this in the all too
>brief 2nd movement and the triumphant flourish at the very end of the
>symphony.
> 

The 10th is much more approachable than the 11th.  It's a better piece too.
But the 11th does have more "fire".  But the 10 has more quality fire.
Overall, the 10th is a very exciting and satisfying piece.

>>P.S.  Why is there no alt.fan.mahler ??? 
>
>Because all the Mahler fans are in depression clinics without access to
>the net.

*laugh*  That's a good one!

-- 
Bob Sutton                        Love, most bitterly and fiercely oppresses
bobs@gnu.ai.mit.edu		  those who fight it than those who offer
al876@cleveland.freenet.edu       their servitude.    -- Ovid (Amores)
rsutton@eis.calstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: geoffo@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Geoff Oakley)
Subject: Re: viola sonata
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:35:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.230121.1@vax1.umkc.edu> bstjohn@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

   Kim Kashishkan(sp?) on ECM has recorded the Viola Sonata, I do believe. Also
   someone on CHANDOS has.  As a violist, I must say this work is SO cool!!! (his
   last opus, by the way.)  G. Schirmer publishes the Sonata in America, under the
   "Library of Soviet-Russian Music" series.

A recentish (September?) `Grammophone' reviewed the ECM disk. The
reviewer fancied the Shostakivich, but considered the remaining works
inferior.  The recomendation was for an EMI disk CDC 7 54394-2 which
contained:

	Britten		`Lachrymae'
	Shostakivich	Viola Sonata
	Stravinsky	`ELEGIE"

Artists are:

	Zimmermann	viola
	Hull		piano

This was reviewed (for people with back collections of Grammophone) in
March 92.


I have heard neither of these, but the EMI disk is on my to-buy list.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: mkrogers@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL K ROGERS)
Subject: Re: viola sonata
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:07:45 GMT

There is a recording by Nobuko Imai on a BIS cd call
The Russian Viola.  I forget exactly what else is on
it.  I think Stravinsky and Glazunov.  Probably another
piece or two.  There is also a CD called "The Russian
Violin".  There might be a cello CD too, but I doubt
there's a bass one.

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.bizarre,alt.politics.clinton
From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt)
Subject: Re: Liberals want to remove Admendment #10?
Reply-To: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com
Organization: Abiogenesis 4 Less
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:47:14 GMT

curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Dr. Bloor) writes:
# Okay, Boerner, here's what you did.  You didn't.  That's right.  You
# didn't do anything at all.  You're guilty as sin.  It's on your face -
# look at it.  You did nothing at all - you sat there and twiddled your
# dick.  You the people, Boerner.  You the cottonheads.  You the
# cottonheads of the United States of America.  A sleeping giant,
# Boerner, with water on the brain and the IQ of a two-year-old.  If
# you'd spoken up, Boerner, if you'd raised your voice, if you'd raised
# your hand, raised your finger, even TWITCHED a little, they'd have
# stopped.  At least looked a bit askance at you.  And maybe they'd
# have gone away.  Or maybe you'd have had to pinch their heads,
# Boerner, and toss them in the wastebasket.  Whatever.  It wouldn't
# have been so hard, Boerner.  Not so hard at all.  Certainly not
# so hard as what's going to happen to you now, Boerner.

Curtis, curb your alter ego.

Letting Herr Doktor out of the tank was a very bad idea.  Now look
what you've allowed him to do.  You deliberately let him have his
savage way with the denizens of the *.rush-limbaugh groups, *KNOWING*
what he would do.

Ye gods, like hammering it into the cottonheads that The Shit is
really all their fault, and only incidentally maybe perhaps
if-we-remember admitting that it's *REALLY* the fault of the mad dogs
that Shat on the Lawn in the first fucking place, really teaches them
a lesson they *NEED* to learn.  Oh no, we couldn't allow that, could
we?  Isn't it enough that you can rely on the fact that a full stomach
and an entertaining television program makes a poor revolutionary?  Do
you have to compund it by perpetuating the *LIE* that the victims
*DESERVE* what they get?

That's right, Curtis.  You've done it.  You've joined the club.
You've sold your soul.  You're going straight to Hell.  Your cover's
blown.  Go back to the Occupied Territory where you and your kind
belong -- right where we can keep an eye on you.  `Oh those poor
helpless screwheads -- it's not their fault.  They were only human.
They couldn't help but burn the country down and dance on the backs of
the weak.  They were just *ordinary* people put to extremes...'
*RUBBISH!*

You're encouraging them, you little mink.  Stop it.         


-- 
+---------------------------+  ``Democracy is the theory that the common 
| J H Woodyatt              |  people know what they want, and deserve to
| bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com |  get it good and hard.''
+---------------------------+                              -- H L Mencken

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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Network projections
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:57:41 GMT
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.

In article <1992Nov9.181221.4220@crd.ge.com> joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph) writes:
>
>  I don't know the details of the democratice "broad based" proposal,
>but I would venture a guess that the democrats wanted to have a
>sales tax IN ADDITION to the allegedly high property taxes.  And
>the republicans said no ?
>
>james joseph                    joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com

The Democrats have proposed that a sales tax (or income tax) would be
used to relieve the property tax burdan.  However, looking at states
surrounding us, anytime we've seen this claim, it never happened.  Our
property taxes are only slightly higher than our neighbours.  Despite
that, unlike some of our higher taxed neighbours, we have a budget
surplus and an unemployment rate below the national average, which
isn't bad considering that New England was hit hard by the recession.

The Democrats proposed a Constitutional amendment to sent 75% of the
money collected by a broad based tax directly back to the
municipalities.  Yet, we all know how this can be circumvented by
state governments.  The amandment we passed regarding lottery funds
going to education certainly has at both the state and municipal
levels.  My own hometown (Rochester, NH), covered it up and allocated
it to water and sewer programs (not the entire city has access to
public sewer).

There is very little to guarentee the lowering of property taxes with
a broad based tax.  Anytime we allow government to get another hand in
our pockets, they never let go.  Just look at the 'temperory' taxes
enacted in Maine and Massachussets that later became permanent.

As for the matter of a lawsuit of some poorer school districts, there
is nothing in the New Hampshire that says the state government must
provide for equity in funding of education.  And this comes from
someone who lives in one of the poorer cities of New Hampshire.

A broad based tax will hurt our tourist industry and the flow of
businesses fleeing northward from Massachusetts will end.

God bless,

Michael

-- 
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 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: Can you say Prez Clinton ??? (No.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:58:27 GMT

 >gsh@iti.org (Greg Halbrook) writes:

 >Why should I call Mr. Clinton "President Clinton" when he himself
 >didn't have enough respect for the office to refer to "Mr. Bush" as
 >President Bush.

A week or so before the election, a reporter for National Public Radio was
doing a piece on Clinton and Bush.  She consistently referred to _Governor_
Clinton and _Mr._ Bush.  I expect that from the Dan Rathers of this world,
but I guess I was naive to expect more from NPR.

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 |                                      | Success is getting what you want. |
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Electoral Mandate?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:54:11 GMT

In <6771@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:

>At least until we see how the electors really vote in December...
>can Ross pay off 270 electors to become the 42d President? Hmm...

When exactly is the electoral college vote?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: November 3, the day Rush dies!
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:59:15 GMT

geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:
>nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>>wd208cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>>Well, it's election day. We are going to see a great change in this 
>>>country, with Clinton landsliding and all.
>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>    That's a very colorful and somewhat appropriate turn of phrase.

>I've heard just that term used in news reports this morning (11/4, the
>morning after).  Heard the words ``electoral landslide'' in reports on
>several different stations, so I assume those words were in the wire
>report on the election.

>I thought the word ``landslide'' was being stretched in the last few
>elections, but using it for someone who didn't even get 50% of the vote,
>is, well....

>What do you mean by ``colorful,'' Nathan?

    Sorry, my meaning was pretty obscure. By colorful I was trying to say 
that the term "landsliding" (a new one that I hadn't heard before) is 
evocative of the mental image of Clinton sliding into home base, and coming 
in on a very tight rein with opponents in hot pursuit. Typically baseball 
players don't slide unless they're really trying to squeeze in under the 
wire.

    I am in complete agreement with you in that the term "landslide" in its 
traditional meaning has very limited applicability to Clinton's win. Bush 
was closing on Clinton very quickly in the last week or so prior to the 
election, and the final vote counts are indicative of a rather underwhelming 
show of support.

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush is such a bad loser
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:10:41 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 40551@sdcc12.ucsd.edu, pvanmeur@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs) writes:
>Rush is such a bad loser. He now claims victory for conservatism
>since the democrats had to shift to the center to be elected. Well,
>I think conservatism has lost since people didn't support Bush and
>the ultra right wing, wacko religious right present at the
>republican convention. It's clear to me, they have rejected the
>ideas of the most conservative platform since ages. People are tired
>of the bigotry and hate which has become so inherent to the
>republican party.

Today, the fatman mentioned that he is proud to be one of the reasons
that Bush lost.  Talk about a backwards spin!

>California is sending to female senators to Washington, one of them
>was running against a true conservative, Hershenson. And she carried
>the State. 
>Bill and Al have won 350+ electoral votes, a clear indicator that
>were it note for Perot a similar landslide popular vote would have
>resulted. 
>Bright days are ahead of us, we have a liberal president. Cuomo will
>soon be appointed as supreme court justice, abortion will become
>more pro-choice.

I agree with everything except for your branding Clinton as a liberal.
This should become more clear later.

>And what about Rush Limbaugh ? He is such a bad loser and is hoping
>that Bill won't be able to help the country. He is insinuating so
>many things, "He is a lier, we will have not problems with other
>liers who happen to run dictatorial countries". Hmm, I guess he
>won't send them US funds to expand their military, nuclear and
>chmical capabilities and then send in american troups to take care
>of it. Do you think Bush will write his memoirs from prison ?

I think as a gesture of class, President Clinton should pardon Bush.


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Subject: Re: Electoral Mandate?
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:13:38 GMT

jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov () writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.190713.18501@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
>>EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>
>>>In article <mrsmart.720887073@cs1.bradley.edu>
>>>mrsmart@cs1.bradley.edu (Robert Knautz) writes:
>>> 
>>>>
>>>>I heard (I think) Peter Jennings use the term "Electoral Mandate" in
>>>>describing Clinton's win.  Can somebody please tell me what the hell
>>>>that is supposed to mean?  A true mandate can only come from the
>>>>popular vote.  If they are going to call this a mandate, then Bush
>>>>certainly had one in 1988, and he at least got a popular majority.  If
>>> 
>>>How many votes did Bush get? I think with the higher voter turnout,
>>>Clinton probably got far more votes than Bush did in '88. Maybe more
>>>Than Reagan in '80 or '84!
>>
>>Just saw on headline new that you are quite wrong. Clinton got fewer votes
>>than Bush in '88. In fact, he's one of the winners with the smallest share
>>of the popular vote in history. 'Twas only a landslide in the electoral
>>college, which has little relation to the popular vote.
>>

>Check your facts...Lincoln had 39% of the popular vote, Nixon had 43%
>of the popular vote...

I have checked my facts. Check my statement: I said ONE of them. Besides,
Nixon had 43.4%, Bill had 43.2%. The lowest was John Q. Adams in 1824 - he
had only 30.92%, second to Andrew Jackson's 41.34%, but was elected by the
House anyway. Bill has the lowest of any winner in at least the past 40
years. Good enough reason to do away with the electoral college and go to ap
popular vote with a run-off if no one wins a majority. Make this happen:
write your congresspeople.

-Brian Harper



From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:43:54 GMT
Subject: Re: FROM PEROT VOTER -- CONGRATULATIONS BILL
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

In alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar) writes:

> The only good I see in Clinton winning is that 4 years from now you could not
> vote a democrat in for garbage collector!

This is certainly a possibility, but you probably ought to wait and
see.  Clinton may end up surprising you.  He may not too, but
you do not know.  Clinton's policies may not be ideal for the
nation, but if he manages to stick to a semblance of fiscal
responsibility and the economy does ok, he will have the
typical chance of an incumbent to get re-elected.

The future is not easy to predict, and sometimes high office brings
out the bets in people.  I did not vote for Clinton, but I am pulling
for him.  Yes, I am being positive and optimistic, but, ewll, 
what else are ya gonna do?  Cry?

doug
> 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: gmartin@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (George Martin)
Subject: Statistics in the eye of the beholder
Summary: You can read into numbers what you want to get out of them
Organization: NRAO
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 05:20:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.185859.8214@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>In article <1d8sniINNsb7@spool.mu.edu> marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach) writes:
>>
>>Rush held an 1-900 poll about who voted for Bush.  And Bush won by 
>>some 80+%  Now, becasue Bush did not win the vote, and the only 
>>people who could know about Rush's poll would be Rush's listeners, 
>>this PROVES Rush's Dittohead Limbot audiance is out of touch with
>>the rest of this fine land.  
>>
>
>But, by your own standards, since over 50% of the voters did not vote 
>for Clinton, but he won, does that mean that those who voted for Bill 
>are out of touch with the rest of this fine land?
>
This does not look like to me what he was trying to say.  To me it
looks like what he was trying to say was that the people who participated
in Rush's poll make up what is sometimes called a biased sample.

However by your standards, implied by your reply, it could be said
that since on the order of 63% of the people voted against Bush,
then Bush was "out of touch with this fine land".

>Ted


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From: gorney@picard.med.ge.com (Felix Gorney Mfg 4-6983)
Subject: Re: New Bumper Sticker
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:29:10 GMT


I have an idea for a simple bumper sticker to put next to my Bush/Quale 92.
It simply states:
                 SEE, I TOLD YOU SO.

This has been rumored to be the title of Rush's next number 1 best seller.

Felix Gorney