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From: c60b-2bt@web-4f.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football at the movies etc.
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:34:36 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <HANS.92Mar31150325@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:
>
>...and now over to something completely different:
>
>The other day I was trying to find out if there were any interesting
>works of fiction (films, plays, novels etc.) where football plays an
>essential part. Oodly enough, off the top of my head I could think of
>very few actual examples.

I seem to remember a movie starring Pele in which he teaches a young man
the finer skills of soccer on a tropical island, I do believe.  I'm pretty
sure that the name of this movie was HOT SHOTS, but I haven't been able to find
this title anywhere.  If anybody has any info on this film, please write the
net.

Thanks,
Steve Kapper
From: jn@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jyrki Nummenmaa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:48:52 GMT
Reply-To: jn@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jyrki Nummenmaa)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U


In article <1992Apr5.074011.21852@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
[some bits chopped off here and there]

>will improve. ETC ETC ETC. Increased musclemass will add to the skills any 
>player already possess. This has been ignored by almost all European and
>South American teams. You can bet the americans will not ignore it.

You seem to know very well the training methods used all around the
world. 

>Most NFL players train year round and have trained year round since high school.
>What I am saying is you take any soccer player and add 20 pounds of muscle to 
>him and you get a better player.

Well, strength is important, and especially the ability to run fast.
But, as far as I know, good soccer players typically have very
strong legs. And they can run pretty fast as well. Their arms 
may not be so impressive, but the use of arms is quite limited, 
so there is a reason not to concentrate adding muscle mass to you arms.

Besides, soccer is still basically a game of skill. You need 
to train a lot to gain the skills needed to make it to the top.
Would the muscle mass training you suggest be in addition to this
training? I understand that training just muscles is ok for a
certain type of player in NFL, since the task they have is quite
simple - to wrestle down opponents' players. 

And one more thing, you must be fit to carry that muscle mass with
you for the full one and a half an hour game, running a large
part of the time.

If your claims about the superior training methods in US and the
importance of muscle mass hold, then why don't NHL and NFL players
look more alike? For the same reasons expressed above, I think.

Jyrki
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Sweden, April 13th
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:00:04 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


Well, well, if no-one from Sweden cares to post results ....

V. Fr"olunda - IFK G"oteborg  1-0
Norrk"obing - AIK Stockholm   3-1
Malm"o FF - "Oster            2-2
Djurgaarden - Trelleborg      1-2
GAIS -- "Orebro               0-0

Trelleborg      2  2 0 0  3- 1  6
"Orebro         2  1 1 0  3- 1  4
"Oster          2  1 1 0  3- 2  4
IFK G"oteborg   2  1 0 1  3- 1  3
Norrk"obing     2  1 0 1  3- 2  3
AIK Stockholm   2  1 0 1  3- 3  3
V. Fr"olunda    2  1 0 1  1- 2  3
GAIS            2  0 1 1  0- 1  1
Malm"o FF       2  0 1 1  2- 5  1
Djurgaarden     2  0 0 2  2- 5  0

No infor on the games. Sorry.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
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From: wsinjosc@wsinti05.info.win.tue.nl (Jos Coenen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: USA WORLD CUP AND english supremecy, (ha ha ha)
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:50:27 GMT
Reply-To: wsinjosc@info.win.tue.nl

In article <9204072250.AA11504@unix4>, john7552@MAMUT.WLU.CA (niall johnson) writes:
 <stuff deleted>
>  
> 
> May I direct your attention (whomsoever you are you gutless wimp!) to the
> European Champions Cup through the late 70s and early 80s (before the Heysel
> tragedy).
> I believe you'll find sufficient evidence of British domination there.

This depends on what you define as english. 
The record of the English national team hasn't been that succesful,
and the elimination of the English teams in the European cups can
partly be explained by the `foreigners' rule. 

So maybe it is the domination of the British (Welsh, Scots etc),
but certainly not the supremacy of the english :-)

Jos
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: Coin toss(was Re: High Scoring)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:16:01 GMT

In article <kujij6INN291@sal-sun133.usc.edu> mandelbu@sal-sun133.usc.edu (Santiago F. Mandelburger) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr11.161140.8671@math.ucla.edu>, dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
>|> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>|>  
>|> |> 1960 - 1st place
>|> |> 1964 - 2nd place
>|> |> 1968 - 4th place (in semifinal tied hometeam Italy 0-0, lost on coin toss)
>|>                                                                    ^^^^^^^^^
>|>    That must be the stupidest way to decide a game, EVER.
>|> 
>
>Actually, it was a very common way to decide a game until approx. 15 years ago.

 Actually, this was the way Turkey qualified for their first world cup
in 1956(?). They lost to Spain in Madrid by  three goals, then beat
them in Istanbul by one. Since goal differential was not taken into
consideration, a third game was played in a neutral field (Switzerland)
and the game was tied 1-1. The officials invited a young Spanish
teenager from among the spactators for a coin toss who flipped the
coin sending Turkey to the world cup and becoming a hero in Turkey
(probably adding to his misery).

Sincerely,

Orhan.
From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: International friendlies
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:26:05 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland


> Jukka Vakkila has built a team with strong defence. However, Finland lacks
> a leading figure in the midfield. I hope Jari Litmanen will become such
> a figure. 

But the midfield is quite good. The players have played quite a lot together.
That's one of the strenghtness of the Finnish team.

-- 

- Marko Poutiainen
  mep@phoenix.oulu.fi
From: billp@pcsbst.pcs.com (Bill Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Olympic Qualifiers
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:48:19 GMT
Reply-To: billp@pcsbst.pcs.com (Bill Potter)
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH

In article <1992Apr13.084706.6374@cs.few.eur.nl>, biwidar@cs.few.eur.nl
(Irsan Widarto) writes:
> gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:
> 
> >Can someone fill me in on the European qualifiers for Barcelona
> Germany did *NOT* qualify. The list should be:
> 
>       1) Spain      (hosts of Ol.Games)
>       2) Scotland   (semi-finalist European Championships under 21)
>       3) Denmark    (idem)
>       4) Italy      (idem)
>       5) Sweden     (idem)
>       6) Poland     (best 'loser' European Championships under 21)
>       7) ...
> 

'Chust a wee minute there. 

Scotland is not (yet) an Olympic nation and thus can't take part in the 
games. Or is the Scots team being put forward as the Great Britain team? 
I know they deserve it but I could imagine a few Welsh and N. Irishmen 
might protest. Oh yes and the other lot too. ;-)

Clarification anyone?
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PCS GmbH       : billp@pcsbst.pcs.com     : Italian sailor and 200th Anniv.
D8000 Muenchen : You can't sink a RAINBOW : of the year of the sheep.
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From: dm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Darren Munson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: VICTORY soccer players
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:47:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.

Hi,

Kevin O'Callaghan, John Wark, Russell Osman, Laurie Sivell and Robin Turner
were all playing for Ipswich when the film was made.

But then they needed classy players I suppose.

Darren Munson.

******************************************************************************
Ipswich Town F.C. - League Division 2 Champions 1992
******************************************************************************
From: QQ38@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re. World Cup 94 : shirts
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:44:55 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

I am sure that I've read somewhere ,maybe even on R.S.S. ,that a similar
'names on shirts' plan is being carried out during the European Championships
in Sweden in the summer.   Anyone else heard this ???
Dave
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: MY DARLING SCARBOROUGH FC
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:24:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Apr14.072957.16161@tcom.stc.co.uk> tim@tcom.stc.co.uk (Tim Kennedy) writes:
|
|SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CRITICISING MY BELOVED SCARBOROUGH
|AND EVEN SAYING THAT OUR GREATEST EXMANAGER ALAN WARNOCK
|WAS A SEX MANIAC.  THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.  MY SCARBOROUGH 
|ARE UNTOUCHABLE.  ALAN IS A GORGEOUS MAN AND LED MY BOYS
|OUT OF THE VAUXHALL CONFERENCE TO GLORY.  
|
|RAY MC-HALE IS STILL THE KING OF MANAGERS AND ALSO BIGGER
|THAN ELVIS.  TOMMY MOONEY IS THE GREATEST GEORDIE WINGER
|IN NORTH YORKSHIRE.  WE ARE THE GREATEST TEAM THE WORLD
|HAS EVER SEEN.
|
|YOU CAN TAKE YOUR MAN UNITED, YOUR LEEDS,  YOUR CHELSEA
|SCUM,  SCARBOROUGH ARE THE ONLY TEAM IN THE WORLD AND I
|WOULD GLADLY GIVE ALL MY BODILY ORGANS FOR THEM.
|
|			BORO NO.1

wot? even after theyve just lost to Donny Rovers?
From: dtb@squonk.Eng.Sun.COM (David Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football at the movies etc.
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:41:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: squonk

In article <HANS.92Mar31150325@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:
>
>...and now over to something completely different:
>
>The other day I was trying to find out if there were any interesting
>works of fiction (films, plays, novels etc.) where football plays an
>essential part. Oodly enough, off the top of my head I could think of
>very few actual examples.
>
>There is of course the mediocre "Escape from Victory" film by John
>Huston with Sylvester Stallone (!) playing alongside Pele et al. As
>far as I know this is Hollywood's only attempt at a film about our
>noble sport. Now what does _that_ tell us ? [a rhetorical question!]

I can think of two films that I have seen involving football. Neither
of which were particularly memorable.

There was one in which some spoilt brat (American as it happens, but
it could have been any nationality) goes off to a desert island and
learns about life the universe and overhead bicyle kicks from Pele. He
of course becomes a better person and scores the winner with an
overhead bicyle kick. I can't remember the title, but it wasn't worth
watching.

In another film set in England Ian McShane (Lovejoy) plays a brilliant
player with a drink problem. He's fallen from grace, then something
happens to turn him around, trains hard, gets fit and he has a
glorious comeback. Sorry no bicycle kicks in this one. Once again I
find I can not remember the title. A bit more watchable than the other
two mentioned so far. It may have been based loosely on George Best.

Not a film, but I also remember a TV programme starring Denis Waterman
(The Sweeney and Minder) about the first English team to play in
Italy. They were a small team from a Newcastle mining village I
believe. The lads go to Italy have a great time and to everyones
surprise win. There tactics amounted to lots of hard tackles and some
dirty stuff. I believe it was based on a true story. The title you
expect me to remember titles, sorry no I forgot. Anyway this one was
well worth watching.

Hopefully someone out there will be able to come up with some titles
for these films.



--
David Berry, david.berry@sun.com

"Humans don't have a zoom function. - Kryten, Red Dwarf"
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Players of the Year in England ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:18:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Apr10.070943.20940@ugle.unit.no> halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen) writes:
|In article <5288@prles2.prl.philips.nl>, collins@nvpna1.prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:
||> Who won the PFA Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year awards ?.
||> 
|
|Player of the year : Gary Pallister, MU
|Young Player of of the year : Ryan Giggs, MU
|
|'Team of the year' Div 1 :
|
| 1. Tony Coton      - MC
| 2. Rob Jones       - Liverpool
| 3. Stuart Pearce   - NF
| 4. Gary Pallister  - MU
| 5. Des Walker      - NF
| 6. Ray Houghton    - Liverpool
| 7. Andy Townsend   - Chelsea
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Has he really been any good this year?? Carlton Palmer has whipped him
every time the Owls have stuffed Chelsea this season. Now there's a
players' player if ever there was one - surprised he didn't sneak in
there. He's meant to be on the verge of an England cap - which should
provide a few laughs as he normally gets his legs in a tangle at least
once every match (for those who don't know Palmer, he has *very* long
legs, which occasionally don't always do what he wants!). And his
finishing may make Geoff Thomas look skilled. On the other hand, he's
maybe the Owls most important player, and could just pull it off for
England given the chance.............

| 8. ?                 (this one is gone in my list from 'Tippebladet Tips')
|                      ( somebody fill in)
Damn - can't think if it either.......

| 9. Gary Lineker    - Tottenham
|10. Alan Shearer    - Southampton
|11. Mark Hughes     - MU
|

gordon
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: irae@jelly.research.canon.oz.au (Ian Rae)
Subject: Scottish First Division Table - 11th April
Keywords: Dark Blue
Reply-To: irae@research.canon.oz.au
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:02:54 GMT




Scottish First Division Table - 11th April 1992
-----------------------------------------------

                           P     W     D     L     F     A   Pts

Dundee                   41    22    12     7    76    43    56
Partick Thistle          41    22    10     9    60    34    54
Hamilton                 41    20    13     8    67    46    53
Kilmarnock               41    19    11    11    55    36    49
Raith Rovers             41    20     9    12    57    41    49
Morton                   41    17    12    12    63    53    46
Ayr United               41    16    10    15    61    55    42
Stirling Albion          41    12    12    17    43    53    36
Clydebank                41    12    11    18    58    72    35
Meadowbank               41     6    16    19    35    55    28
Montrose                 41     4    16    21    43    83    24
Forfar                   41     5    10    26    34    81    20

Forfar are officially relegated. The Dark blues still
need at least a point a game to be sure going up, but could do
with increasing the gap over Partick for the
championship.

Remaining games for the top 3:

Dundee     at Kilmarnock 18/4
           v Forfar 25/4           
           v Montrose 2/5

Partick    at Montrose 18/4
           v Meadowbank 25/4
           v Forfar 2/5

Hamilton   at Clydebank 18/4
           v Kilmarnock 25/4
           v Meadowbank 2/5

Amazingly similar finish with all three playing 1 game
away and two at home. Also only 5 different teams being
faced in the 9 games. 

Ian.

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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Subject: Re: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:44:16 GMT

In article <9APR92172336@acvax.inre.asu.edu> cbsli@acvax.inre.asu.edu writes:
>In article <9APR199217115396@rigel.tamu.edu>, a0v6282@rigel.tamu.edu (Art Velasquez) writes...
>> 
>>     While the net's been arguing over training, an interesting
>>question has arisen (IMO).
>>     I'm not familiar as to how important blind speed (e.g. 100m dash)
>>is in professional soccer outside the US and Canada.  What I'd be
>>interested to know, to get a handle on this, is how long it takes for
>>the average European footballer to run 50 or 100 meters in a sprint.
>>     Can anyone answer this?  Thanx in advance.
>
>   In a soccer documentary called "Numero Uno - Germany" years ago about
>Franz Beckenbauer, one englishman who has monitored Beckenbauer's career
>from the very beginning said that it is "not how fast you run from point
>A to point B that matters, it is knowing *when* to run from point A to
>point B, and Beckenbauer always knows exactly when to run from point A to
>point B".

True enough, but a smart, fast soccer player will WHIP a smart soccer player
every time.
Roy
From: halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Players of the Year in England ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:09:43 GMT
Organization: Skrivervik Data A/S

In article <5288@prles2.prl.philips.nl>, collins@nvpna1.prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:
|> Who won the PFA Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year awards ?.
|> 
|> Donie Collins     | Philips Research Laboratories (Natuurkundig Laboratorium). 
|>                   | Eindhoven. The Netherlands.
|>  /    /     /     | Dept : CAD Support. Building : WAY. Tel : +31-40-744091. 
|> Donal O Coileain  | e-mail : collins@prl.philips.nl  SERI : collins:nlwaya01

Player of the year : Gary Pallister, MU
Young Player of of the year : Ryan Giggs, MU

'Team of the year' Div 1 :

 1. Tony Coton      - MC
 2. Rob Jones       - Liverpool
 3. Stuart Pearce   - NF
 4. Gary Pallister  - MU
 5. Des Walker      - NF
 6. Ray Houghton    - Liverpool
 7. Andy Townsend   - Chelsea
 8. ?                 (this one is gone in my list from 'Tippebladet Tips')
                      ( somebody fill in)
 9. Gary Lineker    - Tottenham
10. Alan Shearer    - Southampton
11. Mark Hughes     - MU

MU - Manchester United
MC - Manchester City
NF - Nottingham Forest

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From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: New European Nations
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:37:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s784tINNku7
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Does anybody know what FIFA's position is with respect to the new
European nation? Letonia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Croatia, 
Bosnia, Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia now qualify as statal enti-
ties(East Germany disppeared) - that makes 8 additonal European
contenders. Should Europe get a larger share of the World Cup 
potential seats? Also, what is the expected competitivness of
these teams? I expect Ukraine to field a formidable team; but
how about Georgia and the rest? You guys who follow those leagues,
have you got any info on this one? 

Cheers!

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:5548 soc.culture.french:3154
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: MY BELOVED SCARBOROUGH
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:38:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article tim@tcom.stc.co.uk (Tim Kennedy) finds the CAPS-LOCK key to
try and show as much understanding about football as DENISE, writing:
|
|NO-ONE CAN TAKE AWAY MY BELOVED SCARBOROUGH.  THEY ARE BY FAR
|THE GREATEST TEAM THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN.  YORK CITY MIGHT
|BEAT THEM EVERY TIME BUT WE USUALLY FINISH ABOVE THEM IN THE 
|4TH DIVISION SO WHO CARES?................etc  
| [continuing with many controversial statements which would be enough
| to get Jimmy Hill to agree with Terry Venables....:-)..]
|
 But gives the game away with, first saying:
|			BORO NO. 1
|
and then:

| LUFC, Yorkshire's No. 1.

What a hypocrit! C'mon Tim make your mind up can't you?
(Typical Leeds fan! - talking crap as ever :-)

Up the Owls (obviously the World's No.1 - despite being 3rd)

gordon (hoping Arsenal stop winning)
From: collins@nvpna1.prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Belgian Results. 12-4-92
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:21:00 GMT
Organization: Philips Research Labs (Nat Lab), Eindhoven, The Netherlands.

League round 29.
Games played 10/4, 11/4, 12/4.

RSC Anderlecht    - Charleroi         2 - 0
AA Gent           - Standard Luik     1 - 0
Lierse SK         - SV Waregem        0 - 0
KV Kortrijk       - KV Mechelen       0 - 0
Royal Antwerp FC  - Cercle Brugge     3 - 2
Racing Genk       - SK Lokeren        5 - 0
Club Brugge       - SK Beveren        3 - 1
FC Luik           - Germinal Ekeren   2 - 7
Aalst             - RWD Molenbeek     1 - 0

                             Goals
Table:           PL  PTS   For Against
-------          --  ---   --- ------- 
Club Brugge      29   44    53   19
Anderlecht       29   44    58   18
Standard Luik    29   40    46   22
KV Mechelen      29   37    39   18
FC Antwerp       29   34    40   35
AA Gent          29   34    45   38
Cercle Brugge    29   31    47   43
Lierse SK        29   31    44   40
Germinal Ekeren  29   30    43   39
Lokeren          29   26    34   44
Waregem          29   26    43   49
RWDM             29   26    32   38
Beveren          29   23    35   43
Charleroi        29   22    24   35
FC Luik          29   22    27   41
KRC Genk         29   21    26   38
Kortrijk         29   18    28   62
Aalst            28   12    13   54
--

Top Scorers (as per 6 April)
1. Weber (Cercle Brugge)   22 goals;
2. Booy (Club Brugge)      18 goals;
   Rekdal (Lierse SK)      18 goals;
3. Nilis (Anderlecht)      16 goals;
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                  | Eindhoven. The Netherlands.
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