From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (Rini Clarkberg)
Subject: Re: Sexism: Defined
Reply-To: mec6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:44:12 GMT

Kiiskil{ Sami writes:
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> Muffy Barkocy writes:
>
>> Second, there are many things that feminists are working for which have
>> not yet been fully achieved, such as the ERA (no discrimination on the
>
>Which is mostly based on the fact, that it is much easier to try find
>another than to report to 'equality-value-representative' ( or
>whatever the term is... ). 

Huh?

>> basis of gender), abortion (both pro and con...*grin*), female-oriented
>
>Which could be prevented in most cases if women doesn't think that the
>male should always decide wether have sex or not.

I doubt it.  I would think that the women most inclined to abort an unwanted
pregnancy are the ones who are most capable of standing up for their 
rights and demanding their say.

>> pornography (yes, some of us are very pro-porn), encouraging women to
>
>There is the device called as the 'power switch' in most tv sets that
>can be used to adjust the amount of porn. The more sophisticated
>models even have the ability to change channel.

Err -- she didn't say "anti-porn" here.  Turning off the TV doesn't get
us more female-oriented porn, does it?  I sure don't see the connection.
You seem to be talking quantity when she mentioned quality.

>> study science (against societal beliefs that women just aren't good at
>> science and math), accessible/affordable child care, etc.  Again, as I
>
>Is't that theory already have proven wrong. The main reason fo women
>being unable to handle techincal subjects is the lack of interest. 

Um -- no, that theory already not have proven wrong. 

>There are many effective ways to handle children, like granparents or
>municipal daycare.

Grandparents are not available to everyone -- and willing grandparents
are much more rare.  (I think my folks might be willing, but I dunno 
about sending children on a two thousand mile flight every morning and 
evening...)

Municipal daycare?  If such a thing exists (does it?) I'm not sure
I'd trust it.  Did you not hear about the Chicago flood?

>> am not really involved politically, I have probably missed a lot of
>> things.
>
>> Sure, the media *loves* people like Andrea Dworkin, so you hear a lot
>
>Never heared about before.

Well, Muffy's right... she's in the media quite often.  Up there in the
top ten nameable feminists, I'd say.

>> about the effects that she has had, but that doesn't mean that those are
>> by any means the major effects or efforts of feminism.
>
>There isn't much possibility that feminism will become a major
>movement, mainly because it's self-stablizing. That is, when feminist
>can't have babies there won't be people that got the feminist ideology
>from their homes, but they must learn it afterwards. And because the
>earlier things are learned the harder they are to change, that amount
>will always be quite small.

Wow!  I had not heard that feminism makes women sterile!  Shit!

Seriously, what makes you think feminists can't have babies?

And how on earth do you think the feminist movement was born in the 
first place if you have to be born and raised a feminist to end up a 
feminist?

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rini