From: wicks@dcdsv0.fnal.gov (Matthew Wicks)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.sgi
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
Followup-To: poster
Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:50:03 -0500
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

This article is the 2nd CALL FOR VOTES on a reorganization of the comp.sys.sgi
hierarchy. It is followed by an acknowledgemenf of votes received (taken
from the From: line from the vote received).

Currently there is a single comp.sys.sgi that receives 50-70 messages a day.
This split will break the group into subject areas to allow people to follow
the areas that are of interest to them. The decisions on which subgroups
are being proposed are the result of 3 RFD's that have occured over the
past 4 months are so.

This proposal also details how the info-iris mailing list will be handled in
light of the split of the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. The details of how this
will be handled is based on what the info-iris mailing list administrator is
willing to provide. There is no vote on how the info-iris mailing list is
handled. These changes will take effect, assuming the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy
is split into several groups.

PLEASE EXAMINE THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE VOTING ON IT.

+----------+
| PROPOSAL |
+----------+

Create comp.sys.sgi.
  admin         Discussions of system administration issues. This would
                include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
  announce      general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
                archives, etc)
  apps          Discussions of various application packages , both those
                provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
  bugs          Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.
  graphics      Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,
                Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific
                to using a SGI machine.
  hardware      Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
                perhipherals.
  misc          Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.

All of the groups except .announce will be unmoderated. It is convention
that a .announce group is moderated. I will serve as the moderator for
the group (Matt Wicks, wicks@dcdmjw.fnal.gov).

The following explains how the info-iris mailing list will be handled, assuming
that the CFV results in a split of the comp.sys.sgi group:

 - There will remain one mailing list called info-iris@brl.mil. All of the
   new comp.sys.sgi newsgroups would be fed to the mailing list. The admin of
   info-iris is unwilling to maintain individual mailing lists for each
   separate news group. The address for info-iris-request@brl.mil will be
   maintained and is to be used to request additions or deletions to the
   mailing list.
 - New mailing addresses will be created for each new comp.sys.sgi group
   (i.e. info-iris-apps@brl.mil, info-iris-graphics@brl.mil, etc.). Mail
   sent to these addresses will go to the appropriate comp.sys.sgi group
   as well as to the info-iris mailing list. When mail is sent to one
   of these addresses, the Reply-To: field will be set accordinly to make
   replying easier. For example, mail sent to info-iris-graphics@brl.mil will
   have info-iris-graphics@brl.mil in the Reply-To: field.
 - Mail sent to the address info-iris@brl.mil will be rejected and a
   message will be returned to the sender informing them of the availability
   of the individual info-iris-subject addresses. This will force people to
   post to a specific news group and allow for all mail and news posting to
   be cross posted.

+-----------+
| RATIONALE |
+-----------+

comp.sys.sgi receives approximately 50-70 messages per day. It is difficult
to follow this group even with the use of a kill file. This split will break
the discussion into specific categories.

+---------------+
| VOTING METHOD |
+---------------+

Send votes to the mailbox "sgi@dcdmjw.fnal.gov".

Each vote must use this form:

======== START VOTING FORM =========
admin          	yes/no/abstain
announce        yes/no/abstain
apps        	yes/no/abstain
bugs            yes/no/abstain
graphics        yes/no/abstain
hardware        yes/no/abstain
misc   		yes/no/abstain
======== END VOTING FORM =========

A valid vote must include a "yes", "no" or "abstain" for EACH proposed
change.  Each proposed newsgroup creation renaming will stand on
its own thus allowing a split of the comp.sys.sgi group, even if a specific
proposed subgroup is unpopular.

+----------+
| SCHEDULE |
+----------+

  1. Discussion:

     The discussion with the last RFD began September 24, 1992 with its posting
     in news.announce.newgroups. The discussion ended on November 2, 1992.

  2. Voting:

     The vote will run through December 2, 1992.

     I will post a second Call For Votes, and possibly a list of
     unreachable return addresses, during the voting period.  When the
     vote is over, I will post the final results.

 3.  Waiting Period:

     I will observe the normal waiting period of five days from the
     time that the final results appear in news.announce.newgroups.
     During this time, people may report lost votes.

 4.  Consummation:

     After the waiting period, the appropriate control messages for the
     creation of any new groups will be issued.

If all goes as planned, whatever parts of the reorganization that
pass will take effect by December 15, 1992.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF VOTES RECEIVED SO FAR:

m@rudedog.asd.sgi.com (Brian McClendon)
stewart@mol.ucns.uga.edu (David Stewart)
khillig@Chem.LSA.umich.edu
weinhous@castor.hahnemann.edu (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.)
leibing@omi.e-technik.uni-ulm.de (Bernd Leibing)
Craig Steinberger <stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu>
balbes@osiris.rti.org (Lisa Balbes)
bwallet%apssgi@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Brad Wallet)
fouts@exacto.dallas.sgi.com (Christopher Fouts)
ean-Francois Panisset  <panisset@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU>
Michel Besner <frite@info.polymtl.ca>
dbj@james.psych.yale.edu
Jeremy.DuBois@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
fish@eosdads.gsfc.nasa.gov (John R. Vanderpool)
Wierse@rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Andreas Wierse)
mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang)
dale@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (dale chayes)
Mike Weisenborn <mdw@hojo.larc.nasa.gov>
marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen)
Steve Rikli <steve@archone.tamu.edu>
"Jim Callahan" <jmc@sioux.eel.ufl.edu>
gary@enigma.esd.sgi.com (Wizard of OZ)
steve@chaos.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Van Gorder)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
schuman@eacces.wpd.sgi.com (Aaron Schuman)
stinedur@wl.com (Steve Stinedurf)
dave@stereo.mitre.org (David A. Southard)
Mike Hoffmann <Mike.Hoffmann@ap.mchp.sni.de>
bogstad@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad)
holly@cam.nist.gov (Holly Rushmeier)
matwood@labhp11.cs.utah.edu (Mark Atwood)
B.J.  04-Nov-1992 1157 <herbison@erlang.enet.dec.com>
jdh@bu-pub.bu.edu (Jason Heirtzler)
tpaquett@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette)
Allen Akin <akin@tuolumne.asd.sgi.com>
David Bremner <bremner@cs.sfu.ca>
Mark K Greene <wupost.wustl.edu!tripos!uranus!mkg>
dpape@imlab.landarch.uiuc.edu (Daniel X Pape)
syscrc@pickle.Gsu.EDU (Randy Carpenter)
tohanson@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Hanson)
Ed Trumbull <trumbull@unx.sas.com>
mmt@redbrick.com (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)
"John D. McCalpin" <mccalpin@perelandra.cms.udel.edu>
fred@poly2.nist.gov (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.)
sitongia@ozzel.hao.ucar.edu (HAO Computer System Managment Group)
George Lindholm <lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca>
emmett@igor.tamri.com (Emmett A. Cunningham)
hjorring@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Curt Hjorring)
wsj@triton.mti.sgi.com (Bill Johnson)
wicks@dcdmjw.fnal.gov (Matthew Wicks)
Doctor Math <root@sanger.chem.nd.edu>
mfolenta@pica.army.mil
amys@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Amy K. Swanson)
HACK@fcrfv2.ncifcrf.gov
rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
ericjohn@scf.usc.edu (Eric Johnson)
TKIRKMAN@csbsju.edu (Tom Kirkman)
macleod@vissgi.cvrti.utah.edu (Rob MacLeod)
ERCOLESSI@UIMRL4.MRL.UIUC.EDU
ra@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Christoph Ramshorn)
johne@iti.gov.sg (Dr. John S. Eickemeyer)
williams@agomoda.asd.sgi.com (Eric Williams)
Scott Blachowicz <scott@statsci.com>
fairlieb@karman.aod.dsto.gov.au (Bruce Fairlie)
mark@wehi.edu.au (Mark Watson)
<EKLUND@uazhep.physics.arizona.edu>
johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
todd@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
keving <keving@corin.ultra.com>
nathan@hilbert.biology.YALE.EDU (Nathan F. Janette)
Hana Strominger <FIMA602%HAIFAUVM.bitnet@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>
C.G.C.vanDijk@IO.TUDelft.NL
GJ Page <G.J.Page@lut.ac.uk>
andyr@wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati)
fox@gmd.de
roger@rod.swmed.utexas.edu (Roger S. Noss)
plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Dave Schweisguth)
t.sippel-dau@ic.ac.uk
neelin@pet.mni.mcgill.ca (Peter NEELIN)
balusek@EUROPA.brooks.af.mil
"LEE MARDEN" <lms@swlvx2.msd.ray.com>
Frank S. Taylor IV 283-4278 <taylorf@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>
"Brent L. Bates ViGYAN AAD/TAB" <blbates@aero36.larc.nasa.gov>
smb@smb.chem.niu.edu (Steven Bachrach)
rodger@qucis.queensu.ca (Jim Rodger)
"John W. Schwegler" <john@sg25.aud.temple.edu>
ron@odysseus.biochem.ualberta.ca (Ron Meleshko)
uunet.UU.NET!uunet!robcad!alik
ssgm@leia.nrl.navy.mil (SSGM)
jvolpe@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Volpe)
uunet.UU.NET!virtuoso!chris (Chris Cressy)
Ken Fitch <fitch@ittc.wec.com>
haidl@mars.cs.uregina.ca (Mark Haidl)
steveg@cadkey.cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio)
allston@babbage.ibd.nrc.ca (Jeff Allston)
Tom Whittaker <tom@sisyphus.arc.nasa.gov>
Jim Reed <reed@shaman.nexagen.com>
"David H. Brierley" <dhb@ssd.ray.com>
Tim Day <tday@ps.ucl.ac.uk>
bob@prepress.com (Robert Crowe)
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
davidb%kuwait@Sun.COM (David Brynell)
heiko@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Heiko Schlichting)
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU
mlyons@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Mary Lou Lyons)
uu4.psi.com!mdaeng!jrc (John R. Chawner)
jhp@sand.photon.com
heinau@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau)
creon@nas.nasa.gov (M. Creon Levit)
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Stefan.Farestam@cerfacs.fr
Chris Esposito <chrise@atc.boeing.com>
rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller)
Tom Fitzgerald    <fitz@wang.com>
hoffmann@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Daniel Hoffmann)
andras@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Andras Salamon)
melchers@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Bernd Melchers)
simon@lia.di.epfl.ch (Simon Leinen)
linac.fnal.gov!tellab5!uunet!druid!pseudo!mjn
mjz@Texaco.COM (Mike Zeitlin)
psantangeli@alias.com (Peter Santangeli)
Dave Kinchlea <kinch@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca>
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton)
mortoj@rpi.edu
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
flynn@eecs.wsu.edu
marby@laura.harvard.edu (Craig Marby)
Marc.Desrochers@BRI.NRC.CA (Marc Desrochers)
T.BARKER@qut.edu.au
muegge@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Ingo Muegge)
"Andrew C. Aitchison" <aca@maths.bath.ac.uk>
Ray Schnitzler <ras@unipress.com>
Mark Bartelt <sysmark@chipmunk.cita.utoronto.ca>
brad@research.nj.nec.com  (Brad Gianulis)
STOUT@msg.UCSF.EDU
Joe Keane <amd.com!osc!jgk>
Michael Quinn <MJQUINN@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
Klaus Rennecke <marion@cs.tu-berlin.de>
mark@laura.harvard.edu (Mark Rambacher)
chk@alias.com (C. Harald Koch)
Lothar Butsch <but@UniBw-Hamburg.DE>
root@random.asd.sgi.com (Super-User)
Charles Shub <cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu>
Sven M. Heinicke" <widener!sven>
sartori@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Fredo Sartori)
phaneuf@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Daniel Phaneuf)
mcleod@esprit.esd.sgi.com (Rick McLeod)
Claude Cantin <cantin@nrccsb3.di.nrc.ca>
brighton@pixar.com (Bill Carson)
joes@graphics.cis.upenn.edu (Joseph R. Spann)
Daniel R Adams <dr-adams@ccmail.pnl.gov>
pete@ent-img.com (Pete Carah)
dwallach@zonker.cs.berkeley.edu (Dan Wallach)
camme.ac.be!sunc!cammejpm (J.-P. Malisse CAMME project)
brianm@cbme.unsw.edu.au (Brian Murray)
brust@i5120q.nrl.navy.mil (Joe Brust)
Wayne Podaima <WJP@VM.NRC.CA>
-- 
Matt Wicks
Group Leader, UNIX System Support
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
wicks@fnal.fnal.gov
708-840-8083
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