From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Florida's privacy ruling (was: Re: some gods ...)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:47:12 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Aug13.163513.26063@csus.edu>  chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.202927.26253@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes
> >In  <1992Aug12.164927.22851@csus.edu>  chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Cha
> >> In article <1992Aug12.035320.30173@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com wri
> >> >In  <1992Aug12.015502.23325@csus.edu>  chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A
>
> >> >> 1) Did Judge Lockett say that the right to privacy meant an
> >> >> invalidation of statutory rape?
> >> >> YES.
> >> >
> >> >No.  Did he say that the right to privacy meant it's OK to take advantage
> >> >of someone incapable of giving consent due to intoxication?  Due to
> >> >mental retardation?  Looks like you don't know what "statutory rape"
> >> >means other than your masturbatory fantasies.
> >>
> >> I thought you knew I meant the adult/child part of the statutory rape
> >> laws and that it was understood that this part was the one specified.
> >
> >I addressed what you said, which is incorrect.
>
> Well, now, I've specified: the adult/child part of the statutory rape
> law has been invalidated in Florida.

OK, you've corrected yourself.  *Part* of the law was invalidated.

> >Still wrong - if they gave consent due to intoxication, it's still
> >statutory rape.
>
> If the kid's not intoxicated or mentally retarded, it's okay in
> Florida for them to have illicit relationships with adults.

But if a person (minor or not) engages in sex, but is considered to be
incapable of giving consent due to intoxication or mental retardation,
it *is* statutory rape.  My example was presented to get it through
your thick skull that there are still statutory rape laws in effect in
Florida.

> Well, the "pro-choice -> legal adult/child sex"
> scenario is no scenario - it's a Florida court ruling.

Still wrong.

> >> >Also, note that you only attempted (and failed) to prove that statutory
> >> >rape is now legal in Florida.  You in no way addressed the question at hand:
> >> >> >I'm still waiting for your proof that "pro-choice = pro-child/adult sex."
> >>
> >> Yes I did.
> >
> >No, you didn't even come close.
>
> You remind me of a rat who knows they took a bad turn and that within
> a few meters, they'll be cornered. You keep running semantically from
> the facts, hoping I'll slip somewhere. NOT.

I'm still waiting for you to provide any evidence that
"pro-choice -> legal adult/child sex".

> You know as well as anyone
> else that in Florida, they stuck legal adult/child sex on the same
> _EXACT_ bandwagon as legal abortion,

Yes, Judge Lockett placed legal adult/child sex on the same bandwagon
as legal abortion.  But that in no way implies that supporting the former
means supporting the latter.

> You just want to cloud up this issue with "but what about
> intoxication - you didn't mention that!"

No, there were two issues I was addressing.  (1) You were wrong when you
claimed that statutory rape laws were invalidated, since statutory rape
covers a number of things and only one part was invalidated.  Now that
you've corrected yourself above, we can focus on (2) You claim that
"pro-choice = pro-child/adult sex."  You have yet to provide any
proof for this.  In fact, in another article you claimed otherwise, as
a number of us have pointed out:

In article <1992Aug12.165743.23090@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu writes:
> A- Privacy
> B- Adult/child sexual relations
> C- Abortion

> A->B
> A->C

> Besides, you can't jump to C from B...

> >> ========================================================================
> >>             Pro-Choice means pro-adult/child sex!
> >> ========================================================================
                     C        ->       B

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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