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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:09:22 GMT
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Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec18.172254.19583@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <102597@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
>>Now, regarding getting home field advantage, there is one possibility as one
>>of the guys on the net suggested a PLANE CRASH...
>>NOPE no playoff games at RFK this year. 
>As long as there somebody is seeded lower than you are, you have a chance of
>a home playoff game.
>
>Scenario:
>
>seedings
>   1       SF
>   2       Dallas
>   3       Minnesota
>   4       New Orleans
>   5       Washington
>   6       Philly
>
>Wildcard: Philly beat Minn, Washington beat NO
>divisional: Philly beat SF, Washington beat Dallas
>
>Bingo, NFC championship game at RFK!!!
>
>Is the above scenario rarer than a plane crash?

Well, why don't you tell us...  How many times has it happened that the
#5 and #6 teams both made it all the way through to the championship game??
What is the probability of it occuring???
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:30:13 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill)
Subject: Re: Physics 101
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50    
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.212025.31009@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes...
>In article <1992Dec18.154753.18707@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>>By the way, they showed a very nice reversed angle view of the play
>>on "Inside the NFL" last night. The ball definitely DID NOT leave
>>Aikman's hand before being knocked out. It was a fumble.
> 
>???  But, it doesn't matter if the ballwas still in his hand, the point is
>whether he was deemed to be in the motion of throwing or not... This is
>why the controversey.  From all angles I have seen, he looks like he
>was in the motion of passing and got stuffed.  Should have been an 
>incomplete pass...
>-- 
He had control of the ball and initiated its backwards motion!  Have you 
really seen the play from a reverse angle?  If so, was the ball in Aikman's
control when it started going backwards?  Did he start it going backwards?

By your logic any time soneone pump fakes it is a pass.  Aikman himself 
even said he was trying to bring the ball back because Green was in front 
of Irvin.  IT WAS A FUMBLE!  He looses control when the ball is going 
backwards!

This really is the last time I want to talk about this subject!  By the 
way as I stated before, I thought it should of been a safety!

Clark B. Merrill                        A Life Long Redskins Fan!
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
merrill@stsci.edu
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From: loucks@csn.org (Lord Vader)
Subject: Re: Mr. Controversy
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:35:04 GMT

re: Mr Controversy posting.

Excuse me for not having the previous Mr. Controversy posting
in front of me when I responded, thus causing you to be mis-
identified by me as the Mr. Controversy.

Now for your posting...

>No.  You have a choice: either compare the teams as they are this season,
>in which case it's a pure insult to talk about the two as being the same,
>or compare the respective records of the two teams in their entirety, in
>which case the bright spots in Packer history are mere wet dreams for former
>Seahawk players.

>In any event, do _not_ expect to be able to compare one team's history with
>a blip in another teams history without being flagged for illegal procedure.
>Do you get it now?

This is absolutely ridiculous.  I have no such choice.  There is absolutely
no meaning whatsoever to comparisons of two team's records when one
spans 16 years and the other spans 50+ something.  Now, the original posting
from Mr Controversy claimed that Seattle was a worthless team since they
hadn't been to the Superbowl.  I responded that therefore all other teams
that hadn't been to the Superbowl since the Seahawks arrived in 1976
were also worthless by that same logic.  This includes the Packers.

I am not restricted by the choice you claim, in fact, if I am to compare
the respective records of two teams, I can either compare the winning
percentages over their entire histories, or this year.  I have said on
a number of occasions my opinion in terms of this year.  Now you could 
compare the winning percentages over the entire history but the Packers
have been around about 5 times longer so what sense does this make.  Can
I compare the acheivements of the Orlando Magic of the NBA with the history
of the Boston Celtics?  Of course not.
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From: dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
Organization: Computer Science - Bowling Green State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:09:49 GMT

I agree Jim Johnson is quite the whinner.
He has won some games, but As I said earlier if a coach
cannot show that he has confidence then the team will go downhill.
I have a notion that the Cowboys will get beat by the 49er's.
But before I get a barage from BOY's fans.  Congrats to the Cowboys
on having a winning season.  Johnson has turned the team around,
but sometimes the intangibles that it takes to win the big games
are hard to come by.
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From: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Subject: "Your #1 [sic]" (was Re: Bears 30, Steelers 6 !!)
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:25:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Reply-To: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)

In article <Bz7vKG.84s@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> blanchar@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard) writes:
>I guess Singletary's last home game fired them up.  But
>at least we did win another game this year, not like '89 when we
>went out with 6 straght losses.

I didn't see the game, but I did see the banner a few Bears fans had put up
in Singletary's honor.  Now, I don't normally get on spelling binges, but
these _are_ the same people who have had occaision for calling Packer
fans "Cheeseheads".

You can always count on a few Bear fans to woefully demonstrate their
intelligence.


-- 
Rick Schaut
UUCP:...{uunet | uw-beaver}!microsoft!richs

Microsoft doesn't speak for me, and I don't speak for Microsoft.
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
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Subject: Re: Vikes cannot hope for a wild card.
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:18:38
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In-reply-to: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 18:11:25 GMT

In article <102171@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
=>Can anybody tell me how a tie is possible. I was of the opinion that
=>the concept of a tie has been removed sometime in the past.
[...]
=>A Scrambling Eagle Fan..

An Eagle fan wants to know how a tie is possible?  Your team nearly
tied Seattle last Sunday.  Had "Who Framed" Roger Ruzek missed that
field goal, the game would have ended in a tie.  They only play one
overtime during the regular season.  Of course, playoff games keep
going until there's a winner.

ethan
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From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Favre is the miracle QB of the season
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:57:48 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <kowalski.724003577@clouso> kowalski@crim.ca (Allan Kowalski) writes:
>boy that glanville sure is sharp. (no pun intended).
>
>traded favre away and has billy joe incompletion at QB.

I hate defending Glanville but I have to say I have more respect for a coach 
who is willing to trade away a player who has a just to start elsewhere than 
for one who jerks a kid around for several years or even creates a controversy
every year at training camp. Tolliver will never be anything more than a 
backup in the NFL and Favre has the talent to start. Keep Favre in Atlanta 
and you got problems, pure and simple. Chris Miller is Atlanta's QB. Period.
Now if he could just stay healthy.

-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
From: fzorn@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Frank Zorn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What is a "Packer"? Viking fan wants to know
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:34:20 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

>I was just wondering what exactly is a "Packer"?  Also, why was Green Bay
>chosen as a NFL site?  What population base is drawn from? Milwaukie and ...?
>I am going to my atlas right after this post to see exactly where Green
>Bay is.

Quite a few years ago (like sometime in the early part of this century), the
Acme Meat Packing Company of Green Bay "sponsored" a football team.  The team
draws from the Green Bay area.  I think sometime around WWII, the team was
in financial straits, and shares of the team were offered to the public, so
the team is actually publicly owned (the only one in the NFL, I believe).

Did I get it right, Packer Backers?




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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Eagles vs Redskins
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 15 DEC 92 13:10:58    

In article <102067@netnews.upenn.edu>, nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Wolverine) writes...

>If the Eagles win this Sunday's game, they will clinch the playoff berth 
>(according to the Daily News) even though the 'Skins won their last game 
>against the Raiders 'cause the Eagles will have a better conference record. The
>Packers will need to go 2-0 and hope that the Vikes will lose both games to win
>the Div. in order to be in the playoffs. They cant afford a tie with the 'Skins
>since the 'Skins will win the tie-breaker. If however, the Eagles were to lose
>to the 'Skins, then they must hope that the Packs will win the Div title and 
>the Eagles will win the tie-breaker with the Vikes to grab the third spot. 
>This is what I can clearly see but correct me if Im wrong. 

The 1st tie breaker if 2 teams tie is head-to-head.  Since the Packers 
beat the Eagles, if the Packers and Eagles tie then the Packers get 
the wildcard.

There are different rules for 3-way ties and I don't know what they 
are except that after 1 team is eliminated then the 2 team rules 
apply.

If the Packers win this Sunday, then the Eagles *cannot* clinch a 
playoff spot.

The Vikings and the Redskins can clinch regardless of what the Packers 
do.

JGH
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:30:18 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe Montana to start next week??
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:01:30 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <Bz9u3F.Eq@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>,
vallury@mesun2.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Vallury Prabhakar) writes:
>
>The SF Chronicle today had something about George Seifert's
>comments on Joe Montana.  Apparently Joe seems "game-ready"
>and GS said that he will almost certainly activate JM for
>next weeks' game against Tampa Bay.  Whether Joe will actually
>play or not is unclear.

He'll play, but not start.  Even Joe says he doesn't expect to
start, Steve is playing too well, but hopes he gets some gametime
reps.  Don't expect to see him until Detroit.

>
>Comments/Questions about yesterday's 9ers game:
>
>1) Young's early interception:  Watching it in slow motion,
>   it appears as if John Taylor is running the pattern and
>   would've been IN FRONT of the defender, but for some reason
>   decides to take a step, anyone else see this??  Young also
>   seems to have thrown the ball to the point where JT MIGHT
>   have been if he'd continued.

That play is either supposed to be a hook or a slant.  Perhaps
their signals were crossed, but looked like Young simply threw
a bad pass.  JT was hooked and coming back to Young as a hook
would do, but Young threw it to the defender.

>
>2) I used to tremble everytime I saw any QB get hit or sacked,
>   but after watching Young throughout this season, I don't worry
>   about him anymore.  He's VERY strong, athletic and the kind
>   of hits he's taken would've put a lot of other QBs out cold.
>   Especially the one hit he took close to the Vikings end-zone
>   when trying to run the ball in himself.  Ouch!  Gets up and
>   walks away absolutely unflustered.  Amazing abilities!
Young is really strong, but I still tremble when he gets hit.
Believe me, he feels them.

>
>3) Having said that, he does tend to consistently underthrow a
>   football to his receivers.  Maybe that's one (1) happened.
>   True, he's thrown some perfect timing passes, but a majority
>   of them seem to force Rice, JT, Jones, etc., to wait, twist
>   in the air, stutter a bit, etc.  The funny thing is, this
>   kind of a problem should be a very easy one to fix, yes??
>   Hopefully, he'll get the synchronization right in Pasadena.
>   :^{o}
Young is not perfect, so what.  Yes, he does miss the quick little
slants that Joe does so well.  I think because he makes his reads
slower.  He did hit the slant to Rice perfectly though.

>   not so for the 9ers.  "Brutally methodical", was it?? I (obviously)
>   don't have the numbers to back this up.  Any opinions?

They're on their way.  The big stumbling block is the current state
of their O line.  If they get healthy, play football the way they
can, they win it all.

Mike

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:50:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Keywords: Dallas, Washington, San Francisco, GB, Minnesota
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:10:21 GMT

>In article <1992Dec14.155010.839@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com
>(David Nix) writes:
>>Fact: Dallas dominated Washington at Dallas.
>>Fact: Dallas outplayed Washington at RFK, Washington wins because of great
>>      defensive efforts and bonehead Dallas plays
>Fact? didn't see it? Do they publish any "outplaying scores" in the
>newspaper today?

OK, you want facts:

		Dallas	Washington
First Downs	  22	  14
Net Yards	 342	 246
Yards per play	 5.0	 4.3

You figure it out, Einstein.  Washington's offense sucked most of the day.  
Dallas' offense sucked sometimes too, but Dallas controlled the tempo of 
the game throughout.  The telling statistic is that Dallas had 4 turnovers
and Washington had only one.  Take away the "bonehead" turnovers and 
Washington was thumped.  I am no begrudging the win to Washington, I am
just saying that Washington was outplayed for the most part and managed to
win.

David
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From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Saints question (Hilliard)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:11:08 GMT


Anyone know what happened to Hilliard this weekend?  The game summary
showed him with 0 carries and the local hick newspaper didn't cover the
game very well.

-John-
GEAUX Saints!!!!
Worship Mora Now!!
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET III - preliminary list - DEADLINE TUESDAY!
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:21:38 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UB

Count me in for the AFC. It took me a while to make this bet, but I
honestly think the AFC can win the SuperBowl.
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Physics 101
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:09:39 GMT

rs> Rick Schaut

rs> If the ball goes backward out of the QB's hand, then that hand must have
    been going backward when the QB lost control of the football.  This isn't
    rocket science, folks.

  Have you considered the possibility that the ball was momentarily out of
  Aikman's hand, as the result of his passing it, and that it and his arm hit
  the defender at about the same time, driving both arm and ball backwards, 
  but in insufficiently divergent paths so that it looks like Aikman is bring-
  ing the ball back after a pump fake, the ball never having left his hand?

  In any case, since we don't have a reverse angle shot, and I suspect that
  instant reply would have deferred to the call on the field because what we
  were able to see was inconclusive, all this debate is rather pointless.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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