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From: rpm@bach.wag.caltech.edu (Richard P. Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: QUESTION: 1st NBA 3pt shot?
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:16:16
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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Trivia Question for all of the NBA Trivia Genii on the net...

Who hit the NBA's first 3 point shot?

I don't know the answer to this, but was asked in an office trivia
pool. Respond to the net or by email; I'll summarize all the email
responses and post if there's interest.

Thanks in advance.
--


 Rick Muller 	    rpm@wag.caltech.edu

     The world should love lovers, but not theoreticians.  Never
theoreticians!  Show them the door.  Ladies, throw out the gloomy
bastards. 

     	  	    	      -Herzog, Saul Bellow



 






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From: wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller)
Subject: Re: JJ (Was: Re: how bad is Dallas?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:44:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.151147.4629@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.142020.15322@unislc.uucp> rgh@unislc.UUCP (Rich Hannon,D1Z01,6628) writes:
>>Now, consider this interesting scenario... Jim Jackson refuses to sign
>>with Dallas so he says he will make himself eligible for next year's
>>draft. 
>
>Re JJ:  The Orlando Sentinel reported that he had registered for classes for
>the spring semester at tOSU.  Any truth to this rumor?
>
>
>(obl. trade offer: I'll give you:
>
>Jeff Turner (former Olympic Gold Medal winner, great fg% !!)
	JJ is in fact enrolled in classes here at OSU. Last week charges 
	were brought up against him for waiving a pistol at a group of teenagers
	and using obscene language at a stop light.
From: gt1490d@prism.gatech.EDU (Gintas Jazbutis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Hawks news
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:17:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Well, this is not really Hawks news, except that they are rapidly
going into the tank.  Dominique has been out with a broken bone
in his right (shooting) hand, and the team promply folded up.
They have now lost 7 straight AT HOME. 

They also cancelled their annual halftime swimsuit show (SI and SPORT
swimsuit women riding around on haywagons and motorcycles).  

Jaz


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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:08:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1993Jan04.210805.50934
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan4.160458.12688@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.051104.21258@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>No offense.. But the only "legendary" thing about Jordan's work ethic I
>>have ever heard is his desire to skip parts of training camp.  I have never
>>heard anything good said (but this is not to say it is bad, just that the 
>>only thing I have ever heard about his work ethic has been bad..)
>
>I've heard many comments by Jordan's coaches and teammates that they've
>never seen anyone who works as hard in practice as Jordan.  Doug Collins
>talked about it quite a lot.  Jordan is very competitive in scrimmages
>(and in all things, apparently) and got pissed at Collins once when he
>thought Doug wasn't keeping score correctly.
>
>So Jordan certainly works very hard in practice.  I don't know if he's as
>conscientious with general conditioning, weight work, etc.

Could be very true, but remember that there is a big difference from being
a hard working practice player and being a person with a good work ethic.  
The one thing I have heard about Jordan was on a number of occasions he has
expressed a desire to skip parts of training camp or skip practices during
the season.  I seem to remember some Bulls players (most notably H.Grant) 
not being too happy about his attitude about it.  Yes, Michael is a fierce
competitor and I can see him going all outonce he gets there, the only
question would be his desire to "get there"...


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From: bprisco@shearson.com (Bobby Prisco)
Subject: Top 5 NBA Centers
Reply-To: bprisco@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:02:47 GMT


Here's an interesting question:

Who do you feel are the 5 best centers (in order) in the NBA?

Please include a brief explanation next to each name. Remember,
everyone is entitled to their own opinion!


Here's my picks:

1. Robinson  - well rounded, runs the floor well
2. Olajuwon  - still outstanding, may still be the best
3. Dougherty - great passer, decent scorer, lacks killer drive
4. O'Neal    - does this guy have any faults?
5. Ewing     - a lot of physical ability, not much mental
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From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Subject: Mychal ... honorable? 
Organization: yo-yo dyne propulsion
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:37:19 GMT

claird@Neosoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
|> Mychal is a broadcaster now?  He seemed like an
|> honorable fellow; how's he doing in his new life?

well ... i was in SA when mychal was a spur.  his effort level was
ALWAYS being called into question.  after being shipped to LA for
brick and smrek, mychal openly laughed about how he had intentionally
dogged it in SA to force a trade.  personally, if i had been bob bass,
i would have taken a page from the dallas cowboy player personnel
handbook and shipped him to siberia.  of course, maybe THAT spur
team WAS siberia.

james

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From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Billy Owens update
Keywords: Billy Owens, Warriors
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:27:21 GMT

terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>to keep control, but I doubt it.  Anyone who knows Hardaway knows that
>he is the most aggressive person on the team and he considers the

This is why the Blazers said that Clyde wasn't guilty of the "phantom
punch" of Hardaway up here in Portland: if Clyde had punched Hardaway,
or tried to, all the Blazers said that Hardaway would have retaliated.
Hardaway has gotten into the faces of too many people, some of them a
foot taller than he is, for anyone to doubt that he's "assertive".  :-)

>However, his public blow-ups are nothing new; he regularly chews out
>everyone except Hardaway and Mullin.  In fact, this year he has been
>more sedate than normal.  He says he is trying to be patient with his
>young team.

Well, he came across like Mike Ditka, not my model of who I'd want
training my young players, particularly since the Warriors don't have
the "elder statesman" (Buck Williams for the Blazers, Cartwright for the
Bulls, etc.) for the young guys to talk to.

>On the particular play that the Warriors lost on against Charlotte
>Nelson was mad that Buechler was inside the 3 point line at the beginning
>of the play.  In fact, Owens and Houston were also within the 3 point arc.
>After the game, Buechler explained that he thought Hardaway was shooting,
>not passing, and he was going to the basket for the rebound.  He was
>extremely surprised when he got the ball in his hands, and it is doubtful
>that he had enough time to pass the ball back out or to step back beyond
>the line.  I agree with you that Buechler was not the only guilty
>party on that play and should not have been the primary focus of
>Nelson's anger.

I would be very surprised to get the ball in that situation, even if I
were Mullin.  Timmy is one of those guys who wants the ball in his hands
at the end of the game, particularly with the game on the line.  It was
a mistake by Hardaway to pass the ball, but I can understand being a
little reluctant to flambe my all star point guard.  Toasting Buechler
in that situation was wrong, and doing it publicly was really uncalled
for.  Hardaway passed it, Buechler had a good shot for a two and took
it.  Hard to say what else he could do.

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From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Subject: Re: Slam Dunk Contestants
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:45:52 GMT

In <siwasaki.726771427@unix1.tcd.ie> siwasaki@unix1.tcd.ie (simon iwasaki) writes:

>Anyone know of this years slam-dunk championship contestants?

>My pick would be:Brown, L.Johnson, Ceballos, Kemp, O'Neal(!!), Augmon,
>                 Dumas(!),B.Edwards.

>Any suggestions??

O'Neal? How impresssive/creative are his dunks, other than crushers?

How about Anthony Peeler. Harold Minor?
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: FTs again (was Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...))
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:39:51 GMT

In article <mt#@byu.edu> jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.150350.7745@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>Pippen has improved in each of his last 5 seasons:
>>
>>Year   FG%   FT%   RPG  APG  PPG
>>87-88 .463  .576   3.8  2.1  7.9
>>88-89 .476  .668   6.1  3.5 14.4
>>89-90 .489  .675   6.7  5.4 16.5
>>90-91 .520  .706   7.3  6.2 17.8
>>91-92 .506  .760   7.7  7.0 21.0
			.
			.
			.
Notice, everyone, what a BIG improvement that is in
FT%; 'fact, I can't think of anyone else (apart from
the usual obvious statistical outliers) who has done
so well.  Anyone know what the story is?  This stuff
means a lot, folks.  As I read Doug Steele's stat-
istical summaries (major thanks to Mr. Steele), there
are teams in the league that could easily jump a couple
of places in the standings if they'd just heat FTs
with (league-)average accuracy.  If I were a coach,
it's a subject that would interest me a lot.
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From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: *All Star Game 1993*
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:24:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

		east: michael jordan, patrick ewing, scottie pippen,
		      shaq o'neal, mark price, reggie miller, 
		      joe dumar, isiah thomas, reggie lewis, 
		      kevin mchale(?), larry johnson(?),		      

		west: karl malone, charles barkeley, chris mullen,
		      tim hardaway, john stockton, clyde drexler,
		      david robinson, hakeem olajuwan, james worthy(?),
		      gary payton(?),

      *	i think i left out a lot of other players, please add accordingly.

      * no magic johnson this time, right?  /tt300zx

        p.s. by the way, did michael jordan and isiah thomas missed
	     their shots ON PURPOSE against magic johnson in the
	     all-star game last year? 
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: I BEE-LEEVE!  Nellie is a JEE-NYOUS!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:28:59 GMT

In article <C0HzLB.4vu@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) wrote:
> This *is* an entertaining tale.  Did it really
> affect the players so much?  By your account,
> the Warriors used up between six and twelve fouls
> (it couldn't have been Mullin in on it each oc-
> casion), and they were down by at least seven
> points when Lucas pulls Smith with, what, well
> under ten minutes to play?  The Spurs could have
> ignored what was going on, they could have taken
> it as a tribute to their potency, but instead
> they fall apart to the extent of losing that lead?

It was a momentum stopper.  The Spurs had been struggling the whole game
and were finally into a consistent rhythm and threatening to blow the game
out before the fouls began.  Smith was actually pulled with around 2-3
minutes left.
____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
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From: keithp@octel.com (Keith Perrin)
Subject: Re: Re : IN MEMORIAM : Johny Most
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:45:29 GMT

>>Ok, and when you talk to her, tell her how much I enjoyed buttfucking
>>your sister, will ya?
>
>Sorry,don't have a sister. But tell us about it anyway...For one-line
>flamer you're pretty unoriginal. But please do on. I'm hoping for
>better things to come from you,R.S.
> 
>>|I have to admit your train of thought is similar to the Challenger launch.
>>
>>Is that *really* the best you can do, Mark? Jeez, I guess any idiot can
>>get into Harvard these days.....
>>
>
>Geez,R.S.or Really Sick as they call you at the funny farm,I guess I'll stop
							    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>abusing you since you're really starting to snap. I should have expected it
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>from someone who is not playing with a full deck...

Please dont stop. This has got to be the funniest flame war between two
people that I have ever followed. The ability of you two to get this nasty
and disregard any and all forms of net etiquette ( as if there really is
such a thing) has me in tears at my terminal.

KLP
From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: *All Star Game 1993*
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:40:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan7.004006.18294
Organization: Western Washington University

robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:

>In article <1ifpn3INNpij@shelley.u.washington.edu> tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) writes:
>|
>|		west: karl malone, charles barkeley, chris mullen,
>|		      tim hardaway, john stockton, clyde drexler,
>|		      david robinson, hakeem olajuwan, james worthy(?),
>|		      gary payton(?),

>Instead of Worthy & Payton, could we have Sedale Threatt & Danny Manning?

Umm, no. Payton deserves the nod this year. He has improved almost as much
as Kenny Anderson has. Threatt may score more, but Payton's defense is
awesome, and he's become a true team leader. Manning I'd agree with, though.

>|      * no magic johnson this time, right?  /tt300zx

>You never know.........

>|        p.s. by the way, did michael jordan and isiah thomas missed
>|	     their shots ON PURPOSE against magic johnson in the
>|	     all-star game last year? 

>Of COURSE they did. And they were successful -  as opposed to Magic,
>who tried desperately to miss three straight 3 pointers, but failed
>dismally.

-Brian Harper
n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu
.
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From: dmjoffe@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Michael Joffe)
Subject: Re: Petro
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:48:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.144238.11494@mips2.ma30.bull.com> hout@eastham.ma30.bull.com (dave hout) writes:
>Hi,
>	Could anyone out there tell me what happened to Drazen Petrovic?
>I just heard he isn't playing tonite against the Celtics.  Is he on or going on the
>IR?  Thanks.
>
>Dave

He badly sprained his ankle in the Nets' loss to the Sixers and is day
to day last I heard.  He left that game in the 3rd quarter.

Also, the Nets have signed Mo Cheeks for the rest of the year, so they
finally have a backup point guard.

David

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From: gsd@unislc.uucp (Greg Dodd)
Subject: INSIDE SPORTS poll: best players by
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:47:21 GMT

Harry states:

>This looks more like a list of player names based on how visible they are.

Nice try but your wrong! look at the list again and you will see that 
Stockton is the top PG, and Malone is the top PF.

You know that they play for the Jazz, who happen to have the NBA's smallest 
franchise market. So your arguement about visablity does have any ground to
stand on.

On the other hand the NBA must address these issues of getting the leagues
best PF & PG increased exposure. It's a shame to know that the Jazz will
only be on national TV 4 times all season.

Regards

Greg
From: rmjr@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Rich Maxwell)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:56:02 GMT
Subject: Re: I BEE-LEEVE!  Nellie is a JEE-NYOUS!
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro


> This was absurd.  Nelson got to dictate when the refs would swallow their
> whistles and when they would call touch fouls.  Meanwhile, Robinson misses
> the next practice with a bruised thigh.  No wonder Nellie doesn't want
> quality big men.  He wouldn't be able to get away with the stuff he does.
> 
> ____________________________
> 	Jim Oliver  
> 	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
> 	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> ----------

Looks like the Celtics fans are getting tired of whining about their
own woes...

Unlike Jim, I do believe Nellie is one of the premier head coaches in 
the NBA, and I admit he gets the respect of the officials as a result.
However, his larger successes have been as the Warriors G.M., a role he
also assumes in addition to his coaching duties.  He's brought in some
fantastic talent.  What makes it special is that many of these players
were "relative" unknowns.  Examples are Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond,
Tyrone Hill, and Chris Gatling.  

Most recently, Latrell Sprewell is making Nellie (the G.M) look like a 
genius.  This rookie has played consistently well all season.  As was
expected, his defensive skills have made him the Warriors "stopper".
His offensive skills were questioned prior to the start of the season,
but he's been nailing the outside jumper, and his ability to take the
ball to the hoop and finish have been a fantastic addition to this young
rookie's bag of tricks.  

Anyone who watched last nights game against the Sonics saw him make an 
incredible play:  it started with Sprewell making a tightrope-walking save
in the Warriors offensive corner, and when the Sonics gave ground expecting 
Sprewell to save the ball (or try to throw it off the defense), Sprewell 
regained his balance and drove to the hoop, first faking OVER a larger
defender, then gliding AROUND, and finally finger rolling the ball UNDER the 
defender's outstreched arms and into the hole. 

It's players like Sprewell, and the others mentioned above, that make
(most) all of us Warriors fans love Nellie, and the Warriors brand of
basketball that he has brought.  

-Rich  (a "real" Nellie devotee)

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From: follick@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick)
Subject: Motocross Armor 
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 22:27:30 GMT
Organization: Paintball Underground

    My team is thinking of using motocross type armor, repainted of
course. Has anyone out there tried this, gleaned any useful lessons, etc.
Please post.

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From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Winter Camo II
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:27:23 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I forgot to give my address:

Hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
From: brian@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Brian Louis Rogers  (BLuR))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Question on the F-1
Followup-To: rec.sport.paintball
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:24:18 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Materials Research Labs Cent. for Computation, Operations Office
Distribution: world
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In article <3238@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
writes:
|>Path:
|
roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu!cs.uiuc.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.oh
hio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!devnull!billc
|>From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
|>Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
|>Subject: Re: Question on the F-1
|>Message-ID: <3238@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>
|>Date: 5 Jan 93 16:10:35 GMT
|>References: <1993Jan4.131930.62436@cc.usu.edu>
|><1iahb7INNj2q@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>
|>Sender: news@devnull.mpd.tandem.com
|>Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
|>Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX
|>Lines: 33
|>
|>>In article <1993Jan4.131930.62436@cc.usu.edu>, sl1t4@cc.usu.edu (CORKY)
|>writes:
|>>|>I have recently purchased an F-1 Illistrator.  And I'd really like to
|>go
|>>|>has had some problems in cold weather.  Does anybody know of a way to
|>>|>improve
|>>|>the cold weather operation of the gun?  
|>
|>In article <1iahb7INNj2q@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> rogers@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
|>writes:
|>>
|>>The fix is changing from a 1 or 2 ringed pressure cocker to a 3 ringed
|>one.  
|>>Wastes more
|>>CO2 to recock the gun.  Not a worthwhile fix until you have problems. 
|>You
|>
|>   
|>   I haven't heard this part called a "pressure cocker" before.

	He is very right.   I didnt know what the part / piece was
	called, I should have used quotes or waited until I was able
	go get the gun guide out.  Sorry about


|>   Around here we call it the "valve pin".  This pin fits into
|>   the "valve body" and is held in place by the front spring.
|>   -Bill Carter
|>



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From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: F2 - Illustrator
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:36:11 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Conputers, Austin TX

In article <1993Jan7.214547.13234@seas.smu.edu> justin@seas.smu.edu (Justin Anderson) writes:
>Though I have not bought one for myself, I am sticking with the F1 that I have
>now.  One part that they changed was moving the cocking arm to the top of the
>gun, thus making red-dot usage all but impossible(I guess you can use sight
>rails).   The local P-ball store here has sold _ZERO_ and they have been in

   I haven't seen the F-2 up close.  Are you saying that you can't
   mount a sight on the sight rails because of the cocking arm,
   or just that a red-dot sight won't fit on there?

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                        I carry wood.
                        This is my magic.
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