HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:36:09 GMT

In article <gf1Q5tO00iV384SUkn@andrew.cmu.edu> wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley) writes:
>Who saw that Notre Dame game today?  I think that the NCAA should either
>be much, much more lenient when they call that excessive celebration
>penalty, or get rid of that call completely.  When you win in the type
>of manner Notre Dame did today, you have every right to go beserk and
>act bananas.  For Christ's sake, they're college kids.  Even pros
>celebrate.  Remember when the Colts beat the Dolphins this year?  
>
>Will

An absolutely ludicrous call by the refs.  It almost seemed like they
wanted to give Penn State the advantage.  After Paterno complained in 
the first quarter, did they call any other penalties on PSU?  Were there
any holding calls?


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From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Subject: Re: Huskers lose. Mega-Major Bummer!!
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:00:13 GMT

--
>>Orange Bowl? Well we shall just see who Nebraska's opponent is.   ;^)
>>Kansas in a bowl? It would be a crime if they were overlooked.
>>Fiesta Bowl for Colorado? Awe who cares.   ;^)
>>Oklahoma? Slim after the Nebraska game.

>I never thought I'd say this.. anyways, here goes...

>GO OU!!! BEAT THE HELL OUT OF BIG DUDS FROM LINCOLN!!!!

>>Husker Henderson

>Njan

Of course you know that it's a head trip for us just to know we have you in
the unenviable position of rooting for your arch rival.   ;^)

Because of that a win for un on Friday is extra sweet.

Husker Henderson

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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby)
Subject: Re: Illinois dignity
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:10:04 GMT

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

>Ann Arbor is a nice place to be.  It consistently makes the best
>places to live lists.  And we get to cheer for a winning program, Mr.

you have got to be joking!  ann arbor is better than where?
the 3rd world and famine ridden countries maybe... maybe.
enjoy your winter from hell up there...

>something positive once in a while?  It seems as though until Michigan
>loses, you are nowhere to be seen.  But when they stumble, there you

again boy, ya got it backwards.  michigan bashing is a "positive"
thing cause it puts um folk in their place.

>are.  Your insistence on calling Michgan fans names is truly sad.

you are one to complain against name calling.  remember YOU said this:
(insert your hoof in mouth)
>What we don't deserve is assholes like you.  Why don't you crawl back
>into the hole you came out of?  Michigan is still undefeated in the
>wimpy ten.  Can Illinois say the same?  What a dickhead.

>Here's hoping for more positive and less negative from you in the
>future.

here's hoping we don't ever here from you again.

>-Alan Harder

::j

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Oldest Rivalry in the South (was Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:47:40 GMT

In article <75433@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)  
writes:
> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) wrote:
> }
> }In terms of games, the Virginia-North Carolina rivalry is older - 97
> }meetings, I believe. Also, William and Mary-Richmond is billed as
> }the "oldest rivalry in the south" with the series record standing 
> }at 49-47-5 in Richmond's favor.
> 
> Auburn-Georgia is billed as the "oldest CONTINUOUS rivalry in the south",
> meaning that they starting playing in 1892 and have only skipped a few
> war years - when one or both couldn't field a team - since then.  I guess
> somebody decided W&M-Richmond didn't count since it is in Division I-AA.

Duke beat UNC in 1888, but the series is not the oldest continuing
rivalry, since Duke (then Trinity) dropped football for a 10+ year
period at the request of the faculty (who cited rumors of, gasp,
professionalism - lucky they aren't alive today!).

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From: jbeverly@adobe.com (Jamie D. Beverly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: British College League
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:10:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.football.misc
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <13595@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
wrote:
> 
> 
> British Student American Football League (BSAFL) 
>  
> Week 5 : 15/11/92
> 
>  Southampton   70   0  Bath
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> 
>  This week : Oxford at Southampton
>  
> 
>  
 This sure stinks of the guy who takes your money while he is teaching you
poker :-)
  178 points for, and 0 against? I am curious as to why the disparity for
one team.

Jamie D. Beverly
Acrobat 
Technical Support
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From: C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Syracuse 27  Boston College 10
Organization: Motorola
Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:37:51 CST





First I would like to say thank you for recognizing BC's progress over
the past year.  I know if I had a vote for coach of the year Tom
Coughlin would get it.  Let's only hope that he doesn't move on to the
head coaching job of the Giants.  I know that I always cheer for the
Giants, b/c I don't want to loose our wonderful coach.

As for graduation the good news is that Glen Foley will not be graduatin
But Tom McManus, John Stolberg, Charlie Brennan, and most of the defense
will be leaving.  I won't say graduating because these fifth year
players all graduated with me this past May and are now working on
Masters or second degrees.  Let us just hope that the display this seaso
will help in the future recruiting.  Since most of the players being
recruited now are to young to remember Doug Flutie and the Hail Mary
(the last time Miami was beaten in the Orange Bowl I believe!!)

Good luck to Syracuse against Miami and watch out we will be back next
year! (I hope this wasn't just beginners luck for the coach and I hope
he is still there.)
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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Bowl Matchups
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:31:58 GMT

jay@puppsr12.Princeton.EDU (Jay Shrauner) writes:
> 5.  Fiesta Bowl--Notre Dame(7)/
> 
> Now after this I'm not sure.  I figure ND will end up in the Fiesta
> because they will want better competition than Nebraska.

     Well the talk around Tempe is the Pac-10
runnerup (or Colorado, which I personally find
hard to believe) vs. Syracuse, unless of course
Miami and Florida State end up #1 and #2, in which
case they would play in the Fiesta for the
mythical national championship.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
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Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:46:07 CST
 <1992Nov16.225317.14349@chpc.utexas.edu> <lgi4apINNgvf@earth.cs.utexas.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <lgi4apINNgvf@earth.cs.utexas.edu>, ctraynor@cs.utexas.edu (Christian J. Traynor) writes:
> Jay, seems to me that when I went to the Baylor-Texas game in Waco in 1990, 
> there were more Texas fans than Baylor fans.  In fact I believe that is the 
> case in all our conference away games except a&m.  If this continues to be
> the case this year ( and it might since this game means something for Texas
> other than just pride) then I don't think the Baylor fans can have that 
> much of an impact.
> 

If that's the case then it's probably good for Baylor since they
play  better on the road anyway.  :)

Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com (Jeff Hintzman)
Subject: Re: who's going to the Rose ball?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:40:06 GMT
Reply-To: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com
Organization: HP IC Business Division R&D, Palo Alto, CA
Keywords: n

In article <1992Nov23.173202.3374@athena.mit.edu>, clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin) writes:
|> It seems to me that Washington had already been granted the Rose Bowl
|> bid prior to their terrible loss at Washington State. What is the PAC-10
|> tiebreaker that favors the Huskies who hold the same conference record
|> as Washing State does?

Uh, that would be Stanford that has the same conference record as the 
Huskies (6-2).  WSU has 3 losses.  The first tie-breaker is the outcome
of the head-to-head matchup if the two teams in question met during the
season.  Washington whipped the Card 41-7, so the roses are theirs.


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Jeff Hintzman                         Stanford - 1992 Pac 10 Co-champions
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From: wm@wat2223.ucr.edu (Will Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Nebraska beats Colorado
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:59:55 GMT
Reply-To: wm@wat2223.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov12.120638.8294@doug.cae.wisc.edu>  
saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> 
> Boy, I've seen it all now.  A Nebraska fan sticking up for a Colorado fan.
> Life on the net, I guess.  Sigh....

What do you mean? The Husker's rivals are the Sonners! :<)

- Will
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Don James
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:04:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <7322@news.duke.edu> yang@math.duke.edu (Joe Yang) writes:

>  Let us take at a look at their two losses. First to Arizona. Any
>reasonable mind will not argue that they have suffiecient talents to
>win against Arizona, but they lost a close game. Next to Washington
>State, so we have all these blames on the weather. Did the weather
>play a role? Sure it did. In normal weather, the Huskies defense would
>not have given up 40+ points, they had held all their opponents to
>under 20 points the whole season. While the Wazzu offense is good,
>they are certainly no better than the offense UW has faced earlier in
>the season.

This is far from clear, to make an understatement.  Wazzu has an
incredible amount of talent on offense, but to be fair they have
played inconsistently some games this year.  So who do you think
the UW has played with as good an offsense?

>            BUT, could they have lost had it been normal weather? They
>COULD. Because unlike last year, they don't have dominant talents on
>their teams. It is possible for them to lose to any top teams in
>Pac-10. But on the other hand, I think most people will agree that
>Huskies could beat Cougars even in snow bowl (though I was told that
>they had lost to Cougars last 3 times when it snowed). In fact, I
>still they have better than 50% chance to beat any top teams in
>Pac-10, but nevertherless, they lost 2 games.

This is a lame comparison that I first heard on ABC. (This factoid
was probably handed to them by the UW atheletic dept. in case they
lost.  :-}  )  The last time the Cougs won was 1988, if memory
serves me right.  And they had a good team that went to the
Aloha Bowl.  It seems to me that if you look at the years in
which the Cougs beat the Huskies, you'll find a *much* stronger
correlation between that and years that the Cougars have a good
record than you will with snow in the Apple Cup.

BTW, in the dozen-or-so years I've followed the Apple Cup, the
worst one or two games for snow and cold was in Seattle.

>  So any news about Don James's future from Seattle? :-)

This is a crazy thought.  I'm from Seattle (but been here for
4 years), and I can guarantee you his future is very secure.
He is an excellent coach and a class act, and the Huskies would
have to go to minor bowls for 3-4 years before anyone but the village
idiot thought about canning him.

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From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Keywords: n
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.161202.12733@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>>I'd like to hear some opinions from loyal Canes fans out there. 
>>>
>>>If Alabama stumbles and the rest of the top ten remains the same, do
>>>you think the Mighty Canes will play an undefeated Texas A&M team
>>>in the Cotton Bowl or, "chicken out" and play a once beaten Cornhusker
>>>team in their home stadium?
>>>
>>>		- inquiring minds want to know
>>>
>>>			rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>To tell you the truth, after seeing the way Texas A&M played thursday night
>>against Houston, playing Nebraska might be better. No way should Texas A&M
>>be ranked 4th!
>
>Well, at least we won, unlike that other team you mention...
>
>cmuck
>
>
>=======================================================================
>Aggie winning streak ------>   10   and counting
>=======================================================================

See latest poll... speaks for itself.
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:31:26 GMT

In <1992Nov16.231316.17607@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:

>judgement of intent by the officials.  This year, a Colorado player was
>penalized after he pointed at a teammate!  Personally, I find the

That is specifically prohibited by the rules, so no judgement there...
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Illinois dignity
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:22:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.213434.1260@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:

   >well basically all I have to say is, the tie (and bouncing them
   >from the natl championship hunt) made me sooo happy.
   >I don't mind seeing dolts from michigan suffer one bit....
   >although I suppose ever being in ann arbor is suffering enuf.  |-)

Ann Arbor is a nice place to be.  It consistently makes the best
places to live lists.  And we get to cheer for a winning program, Mr.
Exby.  While Michigan is winning, you are whining.  Why not post
something positive once in a while?  It seems as though until Michigan
loses, you are nowhere to be seen.  But when they stumble, there you
are.  Your insistence on calling Michgan fans names is truly sad.
Here's hoping for more positive and less negative from you in the
future.




-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
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From: mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn)
Subject: Re: FIVE WAC BOWL TEAMS????
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:52:12 GMT

Right now there could be a three way tie for the WAC champ.
Hawaii, BYU, and Frenso.  Frenso still has to play UTEP, with
a win they share the WAC title.  Ryan Handcock injuried his
right knee and is out for the season.  He will also out for
the baseball season, there saying that it will take nine months
to recover from the injury.
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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: Nebraska-->Fiesta,CU-->Orange
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:37:35 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 552e701f77641360654893cb159ddc32

In article <1992Nov20.133144@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov19.200318.729@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
>>You bet we are. But we are also not whineing or making any excuses. We got
>>beat! Now lets kick OU's but and, once again, destroy any CU hopes of a REAL
>>bowl. (Hey, I live in Colorado, I KNOW what they are thinking. The newscast
>>after CU beat KU was not "CU gets big win over KU". It was "CU has renewed
>>chance for the Orange Bowl"). The problem from the CU standpoint once again
>>is that this is not in their hands. They can only watch and swear at the tv
>>as NU comes thru!!!
>>
>Not to be nit picky, but NU still has to beat K-State in Tokyo.
>I really don't give K-State that much of a chance(where as I 
>thought ISU had a chance, real slim one).  And I haven't heard
>that the NU-KSU game is on tv.

William Washington, NU's tight end, had several freinds on the Clemson team 
who played in Tokyo last year.  The Clemson players said that the trip left 
them drained and was a factor in their bowl loss last year.  The long flight,
jet lag, it could all contribute to an ~interesting~ game.  Many of the NU
players have be reticent about it.
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Big East Coaching Rumors.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:49:48 GMT
Keywords: Temple, Pitt, VTech, Boston College


                    BIG EAST COACHING RUMORS

There were no changes in the Big East Coaching ranks this year from
last, but that's going to change fer sure.  Here's a quick rundown
in the order of probability.

Temple:  Temple AD Charlie Theokas (whose son plays at Rutgers)
         has interviewed Ron Dickerson (Clemson defensive coordinator)
         as a possible replacement for Jerry Brendt.  Dickerson
         is one of the most heralded black coaches in college football.
         Currently there are no black head coaches in the 107-team
         Division 1-A NCAA.  Temple has been a plain embarassment to
         the league.

Pitt:   Everyone considers Paul (Buddy) Hackett gone.  Some names that
        have surfaced are:  Jackie Sherril, Johnny Majors, and 
        "Mean" Joe Green.  Pitt has way too much talent to be such
        a struggling team.

VTech:   How much of this season can the Tech AD take?  Game after game
         VTech loses the lead in the 4th quarter and goes on to a
         loss (5 times) or a tie (once) late in the game.  Head coach
         Frank Beamer must turn this thing around; a win over traditional
         rival Virginia would help.  One thing helping Beamer is that
         the team is very young and will lose very few starters to 
         graduation.

BC:     Sometimes you lose a coach because he did so well.  Rumors
        abound that head coach Tom Coughlin is high on the list as
        a replacement for the NY Giants if Ray Handley's team doesn't make
        the playoffs.


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From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: 93 FSU Schedule Request
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:39:44 GMT

Could someone post the 1993 Florida St schedule.

I'm just wondering if they scheduled a div I-AA team or a bye before
they play Notre Dame  :)


John L
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:11:46 -0500 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PAC-10 IS WEIRD

Can anyone explain why the PAC-10 is so fucking unpredictable?????????

Will
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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Thank You, John Barnes!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:41:24 GMT

     On the big game weekend every autumn, there are three games that I take a 
rooting interest in. This year, they turned out like this:

     Ohio State 13, Michigan 13
     Stanford...oh, I don't even want to think about it... :-(
     UCLA 38, USC 37

     Thank you, John Barnes!

                                      Steve
///
-- 
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    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:31:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.153323.10180@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>Chris S. Robbins (crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu) wrote:
>: We control our own destiny- 2 wins= Cotton Bowl
>:                             1 win= Bowl game
>
>But Chris, you forgot another possibility that is just as likely
>as your 2 wins choice...
>
>0 wins=NO WHERE


Well, Scott is probably an Aggie ;-) but he's also got a good point. Of
our two remaining games, we will _certainly_ be the underdog against A&M,
and possibly against Baylor (it will probably be a small line, whichever
way it goes). BUT, the Baylor game this weekend is Grant Teaff's last
game as head coach for Baylor after 20+ years, and beating Baylor would
salvage a disappointing final season. The players will want to give him
this game very badly. They already blew the A&M game, the Cotton Bowl, 
and _any_ bowl... beating Texas is the last thing they have to shoot for.

Jay

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