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From: mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike)
Subject: Re: Carlyle Morgans
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:59:04 EST

In article <92350.31454.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>Was that the item that included a note that they came to the farm to
>inspect the animal and she was never "available"?
>
I just thought I'd mention that something like this happened in the Arabian
racing industry a few years ago. There was a horse called "Fred's Revenge"
that was cleaning up at the track. People became suspicious because of 
the circumstances of the horse's birth, and the fact that he looked more
like a thoroughbred than an Arabian. Supposedly, the breeder owned a mare
and her colt, and the colt got loose and bred his dam in the pasture, which
produced Fred's Revenge.

I suppose the colt's blood must have been on record with the registry because
this has always been required, but, at that time, the dam's blood was not
required to be on record. They couldn't get the guy to voluntarily blood type
the mare, and when the registry started putting pressure on him, the mare
suddenly "died from poisonous plants in the pasture." Well, the registry
felt there was enough question about the parentage that it canceled the
horse's registration (I don't know what they did to the breeder).

There are always notices of horses being canceled in the Arabian Horse
Registry newsletter. If a horse is canceled, they also cancel its progeny.
I would imagine if you buy a horse and its registration is canceled, it's
up to you to go back and sue the breeder for selling the horse under
false pretenses. I think this will be happening a lot less frequently now
that the AHR requires sires and dams to be blood-typed, and also requires
foals to be blood-typed before they can be registered.

Mary Ann Pike   (mapike@sei.cmu.edu)    and     Robyn (14-year-old Arabian)
Software Engineering Institute                  & her June colt Baaskin Robyns
Carnegie-Mellon University                      (inquiries welcome for either)
Pittsburgh PA
From: gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com (Janet Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse show ribbons
Summary: Hodges Badge Co
Date: 19 Dec 92 14:21:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.equestrian
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <1992Dec10.125622.25657@hemlock.cray.com>, axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell) writes:
> I need to find a source for award ribbons for our next horse show.
> The local award companies are quite expensive.  Does anybody
> have a recommendation?
> 
> -maureen
>
Hodges Badge Co
42 Valley Rd
Middletown RI 02840-6376
401-847-2000
401-847-4313 fax
800-556-2440 order dept

We get ribbons for about 10 shows a year, some using very simple ribbons,
some with very fancy championship ribbons. 
We have found they have the best prices and service.
Hope this is in time to be useful.

Janet gunnj@nmi.com
gunnj@ddn-wms.ddn.mil
 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: ferricpl@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick)
Subject: Re: Appaloosa Question
Organization:                      Intergraph, Midwest Regional Office
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:21:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.095137.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> In article <Mf=Abwi00iV182ixAF@andrew.cmu.edu>, ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean Andrews) writes:
> > Strawberry is registered Appaloosa, only yellow papers since she never
> > threw any spots.  Which is fine with us.  Since she will be five 
> > on May 9 is this a pretty good sign that she will not throw spots ever?
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Jean, Missi and Strawberry Pai
> 
> I have a 1/2 TB Appaloosa (unregistered, no papers, but the color speaks for
> itself) who didn't start changing until he shed out his winter coat as a 4- or
> 5-year-old (he's 11 now, I don't remember for sure...).  Quite frankly we
> didn't even suspect he was an App, even then.  We thought he was going to grey! 
> He started with a couple of white spots on his rump, which multiplied and
> spread each year when he shed.  Now he has a blanket of white spots from his
> tail all the way forward to his withers and partway down both sides.  
>  This whole thing is rather amusing to me, as my first horse was an App, and I
> have something of an affinity for them in general, but didn't know that my
> second horse was going to go and change his color just for me!  :> 
>  In any case, if you don't want spots you're probably pretty safe by now, but
> anything could happen...  Appaloosas are delightfully unpredictable, and not
> just about their color! 
> 
> Deena Howe
> 

I agree with Deena on a couple of things. I, too have an App. Although when I
got him at the age of 6 he was spotted, but this changes every year when he
sheds his winter coat. He never really had definite spots on his rump, he was
more of the *frosted* variety. But last spring when he started to shed his
winter coat, there were a half dozen or so definite spots, which were darker in
color than his base coat! I was delighted :-)!! He is 13 now, and this is the
first year that anything that noticeable has happened. So, I guess you never
know...Appaloosas ARE delightfully unpredictable!

Pat & Golden Ghost
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 19ft. Stock Trailer for sale
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:37:54 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Dec18.112108.19861@icf.hrb.com>, mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer) writes:
>    19FT. CIRCLE J Stock trailer for sale::: like new condition, good tires
>    manger and large tack compartment. Gray with white roof.
> 
>                                      Ask for Dan at (814) 355-7205 day
>                                                     (814) 355-0917 evenings

This is a prime example of the complaints several of us have about 'for sale'
postings.  There is NO price, (how on earth am I going to determine if I'm
even interested) and NO location, (where is it, California or Maine?).  

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade)
Subject: Book Wanted
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:39:45 GMT

Does anyone know a US source for the book Conditioning Sport
Horses by Hilary Clayton. I would like to phone in an order and 
pay by VISA.  The book is published by Sport Horse Pubns in 
Saskatoon, Canada, and I'm afraid I won't be able to get it from
them in time for Christmas.  I am also interested in sources of
heart monitors for horses.  THANKS IN ADVANCE

S
--
Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu
804-924-7409

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott)
Subject: Re: Which way stirrups?
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:03:38 GMT

In article <jscott-111292101744@mace402.mv.us.adobe.com>, jscott@adobe.com
(Joyce D. Scott) wrote:
> 
> OK, I admit I feel dumb asking, so be kind please.  I also don't know the
> names of the anatomical regions of these gadgets, so be patient.
> 
> Which way up do English stirrups go?  
> 
additional incoherencies deleted...

No wonder I got no responses!  You all must have thought this was some kind
of not-very-funny joke.  I had stirrups on the brain.  The post was
supposted to be about spurs.

So, I have now posted another version of my post, but one that should not
read as nonsense!!

Talk about embarrassment on a grand scale...

Joyce (who Spiff the QH is even too embarrassed to admit he knows)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: gif update part 2
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 05:08:00 GMT



GIF UPDATE PART 2
-----------------

This is part 2 of the regular gif update. Part one contains the
information on how to get the gifs from my ftp site.

There is a file called giflist.one available for ftp which lists
all the gifs currently avaialble. (There are now 75)

------------------- MORE IN THE OZARAB SERIES -----------------------

ozarab17.gif    -    On the beach
ozarab18.gif    -    "Hmmmmm, I wonder if I can eat that? ..."
ozarab19.gif    -    'Simply Irresistable'  is the girls name.
ozarab20.gif    -    Classic Egyptian.
ozarab21.gif    -    Nothing dull about this grey.
ozarab22.gif    -    Extended trot?  No problem!

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Anonymous ftp to  -  commsun.its.csiro.au   (152.83.8.2)
login as          -  anonymous
password          -  your-email-address
cd to             -  staff/jen187
issue the command -  binary
to get the gif    -  get filename
to finish         -  quit  OR  bye

ENJOY!

 
-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:39:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Horses for sale ads
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

Not only is the price not included, but I have also seen the age of the
horse excluded, which may be another determining factor.  The other thing
that is often hard to get at is the location.  If I were looking for a
horse on the net, these are some of the things I would most certainly
be looking for.
From: crj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Tanner's oil thank you.
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:33:34 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

To all those thaT answerded  my help needed to find tanner's oil -
a big thank you.  I called and they will contact my tack shop.  Seems
they aren't geared to shipping direct to customers.  So my four
saddles and many bridles, halters, and other necessary horsey stuff
will not have to wait much longer.  Seems Farnum has sort of borrowed
the name Tanner's - although the product is not the same.  Thanks
again.           wedw
From: dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Recommended Sources:  Is Eventing Humane?
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:37:36 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

> I recently read a very good article in Horse Illustrated about eventing and
> the effect of such a workout on the horse.  I don't remember off the top of my
> head which issue it is in, it's either December '92 or January '93.  I will
> check on it tonight and post the correct info as soon as I can.
> 
> Deena Howe
> 

I went home and checked on this article, it's in the January 1993 issue of HI. 
It actually is about judges of various performance horses and their
right/responsibility to pull a horse out of a class or not place it due to
lameness...  part of the article talks about eventing, CC, and racing because
these are generally the hardest on the horses.  Basic upshot is keeping the
horse fit for what it is asked to do.  

Deena
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: EQUUS Subscription
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:00:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec16.182115.2317@stsci.edu>, mjackson@stsci.edu (Michelle Jackson) writes:
> 
> What is the cost of a year's subscription to EQUUS magazine? 
> What is the telephone number (toll free, if there is one) for 
> the subscription department?
> 
> Thanks,
> Michelle Jackson

Equus
P.O. Box 57919
Boulder, CO  80322-7919
(303) 447-9330  (couldn't find an 800 #)


Equus costs $24 per year (12 issues), plus $10 outside the U.S.  

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TEMPLIN GERI ELLEN)
Subject: Re: Recommended Sources:  Is Eventing Humane?
Keywords: eventing
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:27:15 GMT

>Aside from Denny Emerson's "Chronicle of the Horse" article (and the USCTA  
>magazine), do you have any suggestions for additional sources on either  
>eventing or other equine sports?  I'm looking for case studies, position  
>articles (either pro or con), and research.
        .....stuff deleted.....
>Liza
>llyons@next.com 


Liza, there have been lots of articles in the Chronicle.
Start looking about a week after the Olympic horse stuff. In
addition there was an article in November's equus which I can
mail to you if you send me your address. There`s also been some
discussion in the USCTA publication the USCTA news. The members
have been sponsoring an equine physiology study for the last year
to see just how much stress our horses are being subjected to.
I can send you copies of those. In addition, I wrote a couple of 
page paper about it if that would help you :*). (oops, guess you
already have the USCTA news).

Denny was here two weeks ago for a clinic and I asked him about
the committee he's on which the AHSA put together to investigate
the sport. He said they're trying to work on some ideas to adjust the
endurance day, like shortening the roads and tracks phase, adding 
more of a rest period and having a group of riders and TD's get 
together with the course designer the night before endurance to
address any concerns about the XC course. They're especially con-
cerned about Atlanta in 1996 because a worse place for a 3-day
would be hard to find.

You might try writing to the AHSA and asking if the committee will
be publishing any findings, I'm not sure how its being handled.

good luck!

geri & Belle
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: KAUFMAN@biomed.med.yale.edu (Elizabeth Kaufman)
Subject: A Hard Keeper
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:28:45 GMT
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Greetings.  I am looking for suggestions for a low protein feed for a hard
keeper. Here are the details:

I have a 13 year-old qh/tb cross who is determined to stay skinny. He is very
healthy and full of beans. No one can find anything wrong with him. I worm him
regularly (too often, by his book) with a range of dewormers, etc.. I ride him
about 4 times a week right now, and he is very fit. I have tried a number of
different things over the last 18 months or so to put weight on him, but none
of them have been very successful. Huge buckets of grain are out, as he goes
completely wingnut on a high protein diet. Currently, I am feeding him beet
pulp with 2 handfuls of a Charger/Trotter (sweet feed/pellet) mix (otherwise he
goes on strike) twice a day. He gets as much good hay as he will eat, and has
plenty of water, and so on. Does anyone have any ideas for putting weight on
this horse? He needs at least 50 lbs. Thanks.

- Elizabeth Kaufman
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From: eel@xpressware.com (Elaine E. Lindelef)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: riding bareback
Date: 21 Dec 1992 03:15:57 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: albion.dei.caltech.edu

I've enjoyed reading the thread about riding bareback. I like riding bareback
too--it's a great way to relax and have fun with one's horse.

However, if what you're looking for is a chance to improve your balance and
strength, there's a better way: take the stirrups off the saddle completely.
And no excuses: if you were as strong as you ought to be, you should be
able to do everything you can do without them! :-)

You get double points for doing it during a lesson with either a) someone
who will pick on you, and only you, and make no allowances for the lack
of irons, or b) a group lesson where everyone else has their irons.

With regular torture of this nature, you will grin happily the next time
the ride-off instructions for your medal class start out with "remove your
irons from your saddle (before jumping the 3'6" course).

Who says riding won't keep you fit?    :-)

Elaine Lindelef

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Carlyle Morgans
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:13:45 GMT
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The way I read the penalty, she's just suspended from membership.
So, she can still register horses--she just has to pay the non-member
fee.  She can apply for reinstatement after 3 years.  Did I read
wrong?

The real tricky thing here is that I believe all five of these horses have
been sold.  One of them has started a stud career.  What do you
do with them?  Penalize the owners?  The article said nothing at
all about what would/would not be done with the horses.  And since
Senora Showbiz Vona is now very dead, there may be no way to absolutely
prove that they aren't full-blood Morgans.

I've heard of other controversies--there are a number of breeders
up here who firmly believe that Chasley Superman was not a Morgan.
He was bred and foaled in New England.  Quite a few people saw
him as a yearling.  Then he was sold down to Arkansas.  Many
years later he was sold and brought back up north.  These people
say that the horse that came back from Arkansas was not the horse
that went down there.  (This is in the 60s.)  There was also a lot
of talk about Century Free Spirit, and some of the Bobbin Hollow horses.

Blood typing will take care of this eventually, but I guess there
are still ways to slip a few in under the wire.

I think I'll write to commend the AMHA Directors and the new
president for pursuing this.  Evidently Maxine Snow is sueing them.
Does anybody know the AMHA member who signed their name to the
request to investigate?

Linda B. Merims

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tami@dxcern.cern.ch (Tami Kramer)
Subject: Swollen legs
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Distribution: req.equestrian
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:58:24 GMT



Hi -

I'm a new horse owner, and this group is helping me out alot...
Thanks everyone!

I just changed stables with my horse 5 days ago, and today
(after a normal amount of work yesterday), her back legs were 
completely swollen.  One of the girls who works in the stable 
said this is normal when the horse has a change in food, but 
I'm skeptic.  Anyone out there want to reassure me?  I've been
riding her for 3 years and I've never seen anything like it.

I walked her and bandaged her back legs.  Any other ideas?

                                        Tami
From: POBERMARCK@intellicorp.com (Phil Obermarck)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: stables in the Bay Area?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 11:53:26 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

John-

Two spots to stay away from are Sea Horse Ranch and Friendly Acres, owned
by the same man.  These are in Half Moon Bay, on Highway 1, about a mile
north of 92.

Dreadfully inhumane treatment of the animals, and way overpriced.

The owner is currently (or recently?) involved in an action brought against
him by the Humane Society.

Sorry, but I don't have any recommendations on *where to* go, though.

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From: ferricpl@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick)
Subject: Snowballing
Organization:                      Intergraph, Midwest Regional Office
                             Detroit, Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:49:19 GMT


Season's Greetings!

And in the spirit of the season, I am having some *new* difficulty and would
appreciate some advice. Since discovering Ghost's arthritic problems in his
front feet and putting on his orthopedic shoes :-), we are experiencing some
difficulty with the seasonal snowfall here in Michigan! He is now wearing
bar shoes with wedge pads, and he does have borium on his shoes. I had my
farrier put an additional "pad" on the pad to try and combat this, and it does
help...but not quite enough. I've tried spraying PAM on the shoes and this
works too, for awhile. I've heard vaseline works, but haven't tried it yet.

Any suggestions/advice from those of you who might have more experience with
this problem?

Thanks and Happy Holidays to You and Your Horses :-)

Pat & Golden Ghost
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Fermented Hay - It Works
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:53:50 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Hi All-

   With this recent thread about feeds and putting weight on, and heavey
horses, I thought I'd post about a feed I just started using.  It is called
ChaffHage.  It is a fermented hay mixed with molasses (not silage).  There is 
a good article on it in Equus 119 (Sept. 1987).  It is quite strange looking
and smells like brewer's yeast (if you've ever made your own beer).  It is a
popular feed in Europe, and is licensed through a British company.  The bags
even have the royal British seal on the front.  The nutritional information
is as follows:
			Protein       18%
			Fat            2%
			Crude Fibre  25-30%
			Ash          10.7%
			Phosphorus    0.24%
			Calcium       1.8%
			Carbohydrate 42.2%

To quote from Equus Magazine, "Horse Hage is fermented hay-not silage-that is 
baled at 50% moisture and stored in airtight (hermetically sealed) bags.  
Ordinary baled hay is, of course, considerably drier and loses much of the 
live-plant nutrient value in the curing and storing processes.  Horse Hage
not only retains 80% of the nutrients, but its high moisture content provides
year-round roughage that comes closer than regular hay to horses' natural
diet-fresh grass."  Also, "The fermented roughage is free of the dust and mold
spores that trigger chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, usually called
heaves, and the high moisture content reduces digestive problems, particularly
impaction and sand colics."
  The literature that came with my "trial" bags says that because of the 
white yeast in the Hage, it is rich in vitamin B and aids the horse in 
digestion.  It has so far been my experience that it does seem to require less
feed.  Ari is my "guinea pig", and he is starting to get fat, so I am going
to have to cut his feed a little!  It is fed at approximately 1 lb per 100
lbs body weight, but I've found I need to feed him less.  For me it is also
nice that it comes in double-sealed plastic bags and can be set in a pile
on the ground, as I still haven't built a tack-feed room yet (just finished
fencing the arena/turnout!).  The feed is supposed to stay good for 2 years
so long as the bags are unpunctured.  As far as palatability, he eats it,
but prefers hay.  Razzie (the Arab) loves it, and eats it over hay.  Leo
the QH, is about 50-50 on it, depends on his mood.  But I wanted to share
this feed with the group.  So far I really like it and I feed it as the
larger portion of the meal, with a small amount of hay and pellets. And
there is very little waste, they don't throw it around like hay.  I don't
know about availability of it, ours comes from Texas.  I can post the name
and address of the company if anyone is interested.

					Teresa, husband Claude,
					horses Ari, Leo, Razzie
					and the Cats
From: mscott@mindlink.bc.ca (Michael Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: No thanks.
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:50:17 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Folks:

Don't know how I managed to be suddenly subscribed to this list again after
many months off it. (A listserv hiccup of some kind?) But please UNSUB me at
your earliest, etc.

Thanks.