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From: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Debate in a Vacuum!
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:52:01 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA 23681  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland)
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In article <1993Jan3.230900.29067@news.columbia.edu>, 
rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston) writes:
> 
> The problem is that it is not possible for people to profitably 
> debate in this sort of forum. For debate to work, people must 
> have some similar joint axioms on which they will base their arguements.
> You can't logically debate, when each participant has different assumptions

This is a problem, I agree.  What I am trying to say is if we
can argue from a common basis, i.e. the books I mentioned, then
maybe there would be more dicipline to keep to facts, minimize
assumptions, and have constructive dialog with no name calling.
I would really like to get responses from everyone about these
subjects!  I think there is nothing more important at this time
in history than to reevaluate our educational systems.
It would be really refreshing!

> Fact is, I would probably agree with conservative views, if I held 
> conservative assumptions. Sanctity of human life, principle of 
> government non-intervention, belief in god, and many other topics are
> examples of such assumptions. Any set of views that people take on such
> subjects might be consisteant, and as such non-debatable.
  
Yes, this is true, for the subjects you mention.  What I am proposing
is that we not talk about the symptoms, but address the real gulf
between us, and that as a nation we are fragmented and have little
common ground on which to argue.  A good question to the newsgroup
is "How do we fix it?"

> The only way to win an arguement over matters of ideology is to 
> change the fundamental way in which your "adversary" views the
> world, and thus to make him change his assumptions.

> Logic is not applicable here, only emotion.

That's a presumption that I do not hold.  On occasion, I see a good
deal of thoughtful commentary, but I have to sift throught a lot
of redundant emotion to find it!

The books I mentioned really are something to read, and I think
they would spark a great debate/discussion.

<<or>>

maybe I should move to alt.education?

Mike

Mike Rowland (Contractor),  MS 475
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA 23681
internet: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: The Way Things Ought to Be
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:39:31 GMT

In article <mjenkins.725672286@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jen
kinson) writes:
>So how many of you got a copy of the book for Christmas?

     I did! I did!

>Slow start. He keeps emphasizing how hard he worked to actually
>*write* a book, then describes in detail how much other people did to
>actually *write* the book.
> [...]
>But the pace picks up nicely about a third of the way through, and
>becomes vintage Limbaugh.

     I agree that the book started slow, but, IMO, it didn't really hit its
stride until late -- like around Chapter 18 or so. I was pretty disappointed
with the first 175 pages. Long on abuse; short on substance. I hope Rush wasn't
trying to win over liberals with the book; none of them will read it to the
point where he starts to score heavily.
     On the whole I like the book, but it's not written for the Limbaugh
novice. It's solely for the hard core.

                                   Steve
|
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
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From: popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: New group proposal:  alt.conservative.forum
Keywords: yank, circle, wank, pull, taffy
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 04:50:45 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

> In article <1992Dec17.072428.9152@cs.com> larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
> >In article <m0iVVB6w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> >>pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (if God's your father then call home!) write
> >>> I would like to formally propose a new group, alt.conservative.forum, 
> >>> a moderated group to discuss conservative values and assorted political
> >>> goings-on from a distinctly right-wing standpoint.
> >>[...]
> >>> A moderated group would cut out this gibberish and allow reasoned, intell
> >>> discussion of the issues facing the country and the world.
> >>
> >>Is it just me, or is there a teensy little contradiction here?
> >
> >It reminds me of the term that Rush has been using: "taffy pull."
> >
> If you lefties think that this is a contradiction, you should spend some 
> time over on alt.fan.dan.quayle.  I got kicked out of that group because I 
> didn't think that dan is as dumb as the media portrays him.
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> -- 
> So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
> too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
> oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
> by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees


Thrown out?!!!!  thrown out of an unmoderated group?  Do you mean perhaps 
we all put you in our kill files, perhaps?  (I have access thru a Waffle 
BBS and don't have a kill file.)  Tell us.  How does one throw somebody 
out of an unmoderated group?  I have some other candidates if it can be 
done.  Thrown out?  BWAHAHAHAHAH!  Silly boy!

Pope Charles.    Subgenius Pope Of Houston.   An Alt.fan.dan-quayle 
regular and damned proud of it.


--
popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
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After December 31, (713) 481-3763
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: Twists on gays in military
Keywords: practicality
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:57:40 GMT

Q:  How much does it cost the military (and us eventually) to
seperate men & women?  (Probably not much because of the number
of women).

Q:  Do heterosexuals have the right to demand seperation from
homosexuals, wrt showers, sleeping arrangements, combat ... ?

Q:  Should gay men sleep & shower with heterosexual women?  vica-versa?
What about those with bisexual "lifestyles?"

Q:  How much would it cost the military to seperate homosexual
males from heterosexual males?  Females?  Bisexuals?  

Q:  How about those who like to have sex with dead people
(necro-sexuals?)?  Don't they have a right to serve in the
military?  Where would they be housed? 

Q:  Given that a certain component of the military is biggoted,
how much are we willing to let down our gaurd by demoralizing them
by forcing them to shower & sleep with homosexuals?  

-- 
Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu       |  United We Stand. 
Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 
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From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: the rabid Bob Dornan
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:57:09 GMT

In article <LARRY.92Dec23200940@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
[Flaming the Hon. Congressman Dornan]

Anyone else thing that Rush has Dornan on as sort of a "good cop-bad
cop" game?  After a week of Dornan, when Rush comes back, people say,
"Hey, Rush isn't all that right-wing.  He's really kind of moderate."

-- 
Mike Van Pelt          | What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth?
mvp@netcom.com         | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
                       | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
                       | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: What can we expect from President Hillary Clinton?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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Organization: None worth mentioning.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 01:50:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.195123.11272@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>In article <PATRICK.93Jan1095848@blanco.is.rice.edu> 
>patrick@blanco.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>
>> "USENET Warlord", I can understand -- you *did* make a show of threatening
>> people in e-mail, and on other networks, no less.  
>
>This is pretty funny coming from someone who's said 
>"march your fat black ass down here".   Who are you 
>going to threaten next with your racist remarks? 
>
DODie, you've really got to work on understanding...
If you read that line, it is an invitation, not a threat. Yes, it is
racist, and nobody here has ever defended it's racist content. On the
other hand, Patrick retracted the comment and appologised publically
within a matter of hours after it was posted. Cna you say the same for
yourself? Have you ever publically retracted *any* of your lies? No,
you haven't. You continue to cling to them, despite mountains of
evidence proving you are lying.
Maybe you should change therapists DODie, the current one doesn't seem
to be very effective.

--
                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
These are the views of my employer. They also represent the views of
your employer, your government, the Church of your choice, and the
Ghost of Elvis. So there.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: What can we expect from President Hillary Clinton?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:51:52 GMT

In article <PATRICK.93Jan3104220@rio-grande.is.rice.edu> patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.071835.832@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>   In article <PATRICK.93Jan2232345@rio-grande.is.rice.edu> patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>   >In article <1993Jan3.031248.29133@news.columbia.edu> rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston) writes:
>   >
>   >   In article <1993Jan1.195123.11272@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>   >  >In article <PATRICK.93Jan1095848@blanco.is.rice.edu>
>   >  >patrick@blanco.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>   >  >
>   >  >> "USENET Warlord", I can understand -- you *did* make a show of threatening
>   >  >> people in e-mail, and on other networks, no less.
>   >  >
>   >  >This is pretty funny coming from someone who's said
>   >  >"march your fat black ass down here".   Who are you
>   >  >going to threaten next with your racist remarks?
>   >
>   >   Doug Holtsinger, we can only hope.
>   >
>  >Nah.  I haven't had to threaten anyone yet, and I'm not about to start.
>  >Just brandishing a Roget's Thesaurus at him ought to do the trick equally as
>  >
>  Better be careful, or someone might confront and ask if you have permit to
>  carry that thesaurus......
>
>  Never take out your thesaurus unless you intend to use it!
>
>  :-)
>
>Of course not -- I also have my 1971 AHD as a back-up.  Just remember:  when
>thesauruses are outlawed, only outlaws will have thesau

Then support RKBT, the Right To Keep And Bear Thesaurases!

Join NTA today!

Simon

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From: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Kicked out of a.f.d-q?  I don't think so
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:03:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) says:

>If you lefties think that this is a contradiction, you should spend some 
>time over on alt.fan.dan.quayle.  I got kicked out of that group because I 
>didn't think that dan is as dumb as the media portrays him.

        I've never before heard anyone claim to have been kicked out of 
an unmoderated newsgroup.  This ludicrous assertion shows you for the
bonehead you truly are.  Have a nice day.
-- 
    "The biggest problem with reading [Usenet] is there is so much and it 
is all so interesting.  It is easy to be enamored with it.  Be selective
about which groups you read.  It could mean your job, your family, or your
college career."  --Ed Krol, _The Whole Internet User's Guide and Catalog_
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush -- Insurance and AIDS
Date: 25 Dec 92 04:04:41 GMT
Organization: Spaceley Sprockets, Inc.

dickw@IASTATE.EDU (Richard Wallingford) writes:

> Rush was talking about people whose insurance gets canceled when it
> is found that they have AIDS.  He thinks it's just fine that they're
> canceled because they caused their own condition (he used the analogy
> that fire insurance won't pay if you set your own house on fire).
> 
> I don't think Rush understands insurance very well.  First, his
> analogy is faulty because fire insurance *will* cover accidental
> fires started by the homeowner (i.e. grease fire) and most AIDS
> cases are contracted by accident (even if there is stupididty and
> ignorance involved).  
> 
> Second, if a person has health insurance *before* he/she gets AIDS, 
> then the insurance company should be required to pay up to the maximum 
> lifetime benefit of the policy.  Risk is the whole principal behind
> insurance coverage.  The insurance company is "betting" that you won't
> get sick and you're "betting" that you will.  Both parties are agreeing
> to take the financial loss if they lose the "bet" by signing the policy!

Most health insurance policies are written for a specific period of
time; they're reviewed at the end of each period, and if the claims have
been low, the rate is adjusted accordingly, and if the claims have been
high, the rate will be adjusted likewise. A good insurance company will
write a policy on anything - even fire insurance on a house that's
already half cinders - but the rate will correspond to expected losses.

> If the person has AIDS and is trying to get health insurance converage
> after the fact, then they should be denied because there is no risk
> to either party (Insuree is guaranteed to come out ahead and the
> insurer is guaranteed to loose money).

Again, not necessarily. I'll gladly give you $100,000 worth of insurance
on a car that's headed off a cliff - but the rate's going to be, you
guessed it, almost $100,000 - since there is a *very* good chance that
the policy will be paid out.



--
Socialized medicine: Health care with the compassion of an IRS auditor, the
intelligence of a DMV employee, and the cost control of the Pentagon.
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Minor Technical Point About Welfare Queens
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:16:02 GMT

jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:

] In article <C007FI.Fun@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
] |> 
] |> This all makes me sick, and when my tax dollars are spent on those
] |> who truly need them, rather than the welfare society that our know-it-all
] |> liberals have created, I'll be the first to use the above argument.
] 
] First of all, I didn't see Reagan, Bush, Ford, or Nixon trying
] to reform the welfare laws.  They are a product of both parties.


Folks, Folks!

Try to remember that when the GOP fell into the 
hands of the "Religious Right" the war against
"welfare queens" went out the window.....

Can't be out there advocating getting them thar
welfare queens off the public dole when it might
be used as an argument that it is far cheaper to
provide federal funding for those persons on
welfare to get an 'abortion' than it is to maintain
the 'baby industry'.....


ciao
drieux


-- 
Modern Day Problems:

This is Not a .sigfile addendum to the Post.
You are just reading beyond the edge.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
Subject: Re: Flush Limburger
Organization: Portal Communications Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:06:54 GMT

John Switzer (jrs@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <92352.102045KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
: >In article <22580003@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony
: >Zugates) says:
: >
: >>[blah blah blah]
: >>Certainly please don't think that I'm knocking the man....after all
: >>he is getting rich being a bigot...and I still have to work for a
: >>living.
: >
: >You know, I never get tired of these idiots who never listen to Rush coming
: >in and making their stupid little ad hominem attacks on him.
: >
: >>It just aint fair... Maybe next Christmas I can think of a way to
: >>get rich off of the bigotry phenomenon too....hmmm KuKluxKlan turtles?
: >
: >Go away, little man.   I'm bigotted against anyone who posts crap like yours.
: 
: Oh, come on now, Kurt - these people do have their purpose. After all, think 
: of the pleasure we get seeing their pathetic attempts at humor. In particular,
: I never tire of seeing how they think being witty means coming up with some 
: stupid version of Rush's name. Besides these guys proves Rush right every day
: by 1) reaffirming that they think the general public at large is basically 
: a bunch of idiots and that Rush's audience in particular is nothing but
: a bunch of sponge heads who can't think for themselves, and 2) showing 
: that they are more than willing to criticize somebody they have never listened
: to. It's an amazing thing that people with no knowledge of a person or subject
: are so free with their opinions on such things.

Sorry, John, but allow me to quote from Limbaugh's book (page 4):

"I am conviced that few people really do think, although they believe they
do.  Thinking is demanding and tiring."

On the other hand, the only reason I can figure for posts like the one
you respond to is that the poster believes that a bunch of people are going
to accept his word as gospel and accept as truth that Rush is a biggot,
a member of the KKK, etc.  Reminds me of TV news coverage of conservatives... :)


: -- 
: John Switzer               | "What we have here is a failure to 
:                            | masticate."
: Compuserve: 74076,1250     | -- Dr. Clayton "Firebrand" Forrester, after
: Internet: jrs@netcom.com   | TV's Frank is unable to eat his 13th turkey.
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From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Kicked out of a.f.d-q?  I don't think so
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:05:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:
: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison) writes:
: > 
: > In a previous article, krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) says:
: > 
: >>If you lefties think that this is a contradiction, you should spend some 
: >>time over on alt.fan.dan.quayle.  I got kicked out of that group because I 
: >>didn't think that dan is as dumb as the media portrays him.
: > 
: >         I've never before heard anyone claim to have been kicked out of 
: > an unmoderated newsgroup.  This ludicrous assertion shows you for the
: > bonehead you truly are.  Have a nice day.
: 
: While it IS impossible to "kick someone out" of a newsgroup, it's not
: impossible for everyone (very nearly) to put that person in a .kill
: file and then make it WELL known that it was done...  Just a thought.
: 
: Jim     

Yeah, but that's not censorship.  Ted has the right to post
anything he wants to, but nobody's obligated to read it.

Bill   
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: rfa@Turing.ORG (Robert F. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Response concerning reference to "Virgin Forest"
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:06:19 GMT

In article <nate.974@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>    I receive the following in email from a person who was having 
>problems posting from his site. I ask that you please try to keep the 
>attributions straight in follow-ups.
>========================================================================
>From: jason@primal.ucdavis.edu (Jason Christian)
>Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 11:39:13 -0800
>To: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu
>Subject: "Virgin" forests--Please help
>
>Nate,
>
>Will you help me by posting this to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh?  I have
>never been able to persuade my newsreader to accept my posts (newbie),
>making me an involuntary lurker.  I'd like to "de-lurk" on this one.


     <90 lines of BRILLIANCE removed for brevity>
>
>Once you have taken the acid test, looked hard at the truth, felt the
>problems, then please, try on the platitudes again.  If they fit, wear
>them with pride.  If not, then please understand that in wearing those
>garish rags, you label yourself buffoon, cynic, ignoramus.  Maybe you
>can get a job as a talk show host.  The dough's not bad, if you can
>stomach the smell.
>
>-- Jason Christian
>   jason@primal.ucdavis.edu
>

APPLAUSE!!!  HOORAY!!  CLAP CLAP!! WHISTLE!!
YOU SIR HAVE HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING I CAN DO TO HELP YOU GET YOUR
NEWSREADER TO POST TO THIS GROUP...ASK!! I'LL GLADLY HELP.


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