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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Irish in Europe (North & South)
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:57:46 GMT

--




			Steau Bucharest 4 Bohemians 0

						(Steau win 4-0 on aggregate)

Bohs made their exit from Europe after a comprehensive defeat in Bucharest.
It could have been very different if Joe Lawless had not screwed his shot
wide when he had clear run on goal.  2 goals from Andrasi inside 7 minutes
midway through the first half killed the tie.  Vlandu added a 3rd and Ion
completed the scoring just before the finish.  Bohs never gave up trying and
Dave Tilson always looked dangerous.


			Derry City 1 Vitesse Arnhem 2

						(Vitesse win 5-1 on aggregate)

Derry City also made their exit from Europe after a very entertaining game at
the Brandywell.  Derry's goalscoring problems were to the fore again as they
failed to make their first half superiority count.  Right on the stroke of 
half time Dermot O'Neill dropped a simple cross and Scraal gave the visitors 
the lead.  Derry came back in the second half and equalised through Paul
Mooney.  The full back curled a superb free kick into the top corner.  This
brought roars of approval from the surprisingly large home crowd.  Derry
now lookedlike they could win the match but a superbly worked move that
was finished by Lammers settled the game.

		
			Portadown 0 Standard Liege 0

						(Standard won 5-0 on aggregate)

This was a poor game watched by a small crowd.  Portadown were happy to
hold out for a draw and Standard were content to avoid injuries and progress
to the bext round without undue fuss.


			Antwerp 1 Glenavon 1

					(aggregate 2-2, Antwerp won 3-1 on pens)

Glenavon bow out of Europe after a gutsy performance.  Few gave them any
chance in this tie but they battled and battled.  Antwerp took the lead
on 65 minutes after a hotly disputed penalty was awarded against McKeown.
Geoff Ferris struck the equaliser on 77 minutes (some papers credit Sammy
Smyth) to take the game into extra time.  Glenavon survived extra time with 
10 men to hang on for the penalty shoot out before eventually biting the
dust.  They go out with heads held high and a heroes welcome must surely
await when they return to Lurgan.

			Olympique de Marseille 3 Glentoran 0

						(OM won 8-0 on aggregate)

OM were content to stroll through this game.  They fielded many reserves
but still won comfortably.  Omam-Biyik and Pele scored inside the first 13
minutes before Basil Boli completed the scoring 15 minutes from time.


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby
From: P.Crosland@frec.bull.fr (Crosland)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Jan(n?) Jensen (was: Heinrik (?) Andersen)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 09:14:05 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

kent writes :
> 
> Scott C. Kramer asked why we often call our game "football" and not soccer.
> That is because it's named football and many of us use the word we have grown
> up with. To stop all confusion I would propose that NO_ONE ever call 
> Griderion football in this group. If you have to refer to it, call it American
> football or griderion.
> 
> Kent
> -- 
	I totally agree with Kent. Let's stop call it soccer !
	It's just football.

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From: ekdug@b56vxg.kodak.com (Linda Stustman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Results for Dinamo Kiev?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:46:00 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I haven't seen the return leg result for Dinamo - Rapid.
Anybody?
Please post or mail to mns6569@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Thanks.
Mike.S
From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds *NOT* out of europe.
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:15:02 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <BvHL7q.F4G@newcastle.ac.uk> M.H.Smith@newcastle.ac.uk (Mark Smith) writes:
>
>	Shock news !!!!!
>
>Leeds may have been handed a lifeline in the Europran Cup.
>
>Stuttgart, in the dying minutes of the game, fielded an illegal player (either
>becuase there were two many foreigners or he wasn`t registerd properly).
>

It seems LEEDs also fielded 4 foreigners. I dont recall the names. Can someone
confirm

   Strachen (sp ?), Speedie, McAllister,????????




--
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Subject: HELP (Results)
From: <KEMCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 10:07:21 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

hi gang,
could someone please post the Italian League's Results for last Sunday,
20'th September?
also i am in the dark about the World Cup 94 qualifing matches played around
the world.could someone please post the Points Tables for the various groups.
                                                         thanks a bunch,
                                                          Kenny.

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one wonders,
was soccer created by mortal man,
or was it created by the Gods.
                       -Kenny.
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From: v110ju95@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Aron S Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: refree group?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

Been away for about two weeks, was wondering if the referee group was in
exsistance.  There was talk that someone was trying to get the group going.
please either E-mail me or post to whether or not it exsists....


thanxs in advance,
AsK
From: coyle@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Where are the English hooligans?
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:06:14 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

> In the Bay Area we are privileged enough to see on TV a show called
> "FA Premier League", a weekly collection of English games (BTW, I
> never understood which is which; is "Premier"="Rumbelows"?).
> I've been watching it for a year now; where are the hooligans? You know,
> the socially misfit uneducated and uneployed  youngsters who, according
> to some press make soccer arenas a hazardous place to be?

While I don't live in England, I live in N.Z., and thus can't experience
the fun of going to a premier league football match or the reality of it all I
suggest you get hold of a copy of the following book.  It may give you some
insight into what hooligans are really like.  The book is as follows

Cantor, D. et al 1989: Football in Its Place: An Environmental Psychology of
Football Grounds. 

I have just finished reading it, most interesting.

> The public appears not only soccer educated, applauding at the right time
> but also rather gentlemanly inclined (they'd salute a good try with same
> enthusiasm as a good goal..). The stands are obviously clean and well-kept.
> Am I a victim of biased broadcasting?

Despite what I read in the book I mentioned above it would not surprise me if
you are indeed the victim of biased broadcasting.  Although you have to
remember that the focus should be the game not the crowd.

> Do the authors of "FA Premier League" only report on clean and incident-free
> games? Also: there's nothing to separate public seats from the pitch, besides
> a 15 ft. stripe of grass.
> Now, either these "hooligans" are very selective in their misbehavior,
> i.e do not enter the pitch, or are somehow relegated in those upper stands,
> or they're not that bad as they're purported to be...
> Unrelated: what's Manchester City's goalie name? A few weeks ago he had
> a couple of incredible saves (was it against Chelsea?); very impressive.
> 
> Cheers!
> -- 
> Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
> Department of Economics

David Coyle
Department of Geography
University of Waikato, N.Z.
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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: Diego Maradona's return
Keywords: plus a bit of Arsenal news
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:02:06 GMT

From the BBC World Service:

Diego Maradona returned to big time football after 18 months in a
friendly game between Seville and Bayern Munich yesterday.
The BBC reported that he seemed out of touch in the first half when
Bayern took a 1-0 lead through Olaf Thon.
In the second half, Maradona progressively improved, hit the Bayern
post with a wicked free-kick, and then set up two Seville goals with
delightful assists.
The final score was Seville 3 Bayern 1.
Amongst the 35,000 spectators was the Argentinian national team coach
(his name escapes me) who was quoted as saying that Maradona will play
in all the national team games from now until the USA '94 World Cup
(he will be 34 then), and that Diego is still a footballing genius.


In other news:

English Premier League:  ARSENAL 1  MAN CITY 0
                         Wright 19'
At last The Gunners record a victory after a month, through Ian Wright's
goal in the 19th minute. The BBC had a short interview with George Graham
who said that Wright is "brave as a lion" and a "natural winner". 
The reporter said that surely Wright should be a starter in the England
vs. Norway WC game next month.
Wright's aggresive character however has its bad effects. Last week, the
Millwall chairman sharply criticised Wright for "provoking the Millwall
fans". Apparently, Wright seemed to have many conversations with the Millwall
fans (that baracked him from the start) during the Coca-Cola (League) Cup
game at Highbury. At one point, Wright was felled by an object thrown by
the Millwall end. The referee recorded the incident. Wright says it was a
50p coin and that he has a bump on his head to prove it, some Millwall fans
insist that Wright faked the incident. Wright then went to celebrate Arsenal's
equaliser right in front of the Millwall fans, something that incited an
angry response and could have lead to ugly scenes.
The return match at Cold Blow Lane should be interesting.

It's a shame though that such a gifted player should waste his time in such
antics. The man obviously has too much energy to spend or he has a screw
loose (:-)).

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From: sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saverio Cittadini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Why Napoli and not Torino (was re: Serie A, Week 4)
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:30:50 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <1992Sep28.021842.4595@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
marco@lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni) writes:

>[...] RAI-USA will broadcast the game Napoli -
>Valencia live on Wednesday starting at 3:30pm ET.  I was expecting
>them to show the Torino - IFK Norkoeping match [...]

There's a simple reason. The Torino match will be played on Thursday.
Also on Thursday there will be the match Ujpest-Parma, while the match
Anorthosis-Juventus will be played on Tuesday (tomorrow).

In other news, the Sampdoria-Milan game has been postponed to a later date
(maybe Oct. 7th).

            Saverio

e-mail: CITTADINI@SIVAX.CINECA.IT
"The sky is light-blue, since God is a Napoli fan"
V I N C I   P E R   N O I   M A G I C O   N A P O L I  !!!
From: seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Arsenal v Man City
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:11:13 GMT


	ARSENAL 1 	MAN CITY 0
	Wright 19


  City once again flopped in front of the cameras, conceding their third 1-0
League defeat in succession. The Blues were definitely second best at
Highbury, and Arsenal were unlucky not to score two or three more. With
Quinn being expertly shackled by Bould and Adams, and Winterburn making
mockery of White's recent England selection, City had little to offer in
the way of attack, and Seaman was only called upon to make a couple of
relatively easy saves. After Wright had put Arsenal one up after nineteen
minutes from a superb Campbell cross, Arsenal were in the driving seat, and
Coton was kept busy in his goal. The City midfield were poor. Flitcroft
struggled, Holden was completely ineffective, and Reid continually played
the ball too far from the man, putting it into touch or playing straight
into the Arsenal back four, who were solid - not a term you could use to
describe The City defence of Brightwell, Hill, Curle and Phelan. With Hill
again playing in the centre, they were disorganised and vulnerable, as
Phelan pushed up to cover for Holden's inadequacy. The replacement of
Holden by McMahon helped to add a bit of steel into the midfield, and City
came back into the game a bit more toward the end, but it was too late by
then.

  All in all, this was a dreadful performance by the Blues, and things must
improve if they're to have a chance of taking anything from this season.
However, there doesn't seem to be much that can be done in terms of team
selection right now. The squad for the Arsenal game included nearly all the
players with First team experience, and a couple of injuries could put City
in a lot of trouble. However, Reid isn't known for his shrewd bargaining
abilities, so more money may have to be found to support rebuilding.

  The next game is at home to Forest, with Clough's men looking for their
first League win in eight games. They may well get it! On Wednesday, the
Blues visit Twerton Park to play Bristol Rovers in the Coca Cola Cup. After
a 0-0 first leg at Maine Road, the signs are not good in this tie... 

Cheers,

	Sean B
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Shef. Wed. vs Spurs
Date: 28 Sep 1992 23:14:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Attn: Paul Lee
Re: Up the Owls

As a fan of the US national team, I'd appreciate any information you had
on John Harkes' play for Wednesday. I know he was in the reserves for
the start of the season, but I understand that he has seen more action
since several of the first 11 have been injured.

Thanks, Chris

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From: fh11@sol.acs.unt.edu (Brozovic Douglas)
Subject: Leo Rodriguez
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:48:27 GMT

Does anyone know where Leonardo Rodriguez of Argentina is currently playing?
I had thought he went to Marseille and was loaned out...to which club?  How
is is currently playing?  I only saw him play a couple of times but he 
looked quite a prospect...

Cheers,
Doug
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.romanian
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Romania round 7 and 8
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:44:39 GMT

Round 7
Electro    1-0 Steaua
Dinamo     2-1 Rapid
Sportul    4-1 Brasov
Bacau      0-2 Uni Cluj
Progresul  2-0 Ploiesti
Resita     1-2 Otelul
Dacia Un.  4-1 Farul
Poli       0-0 Gloria
Inter      3-0 Uni Crai

Round 8
Otelul     0-0 Electro
Uni Cluj   3-1 Progresul
Ploiesti   2-0 Resita
Uni Crai   4-0 Bacau
Steaua     1-0 Dinamo
Brasov     0-0 Poli
Rapid      2-1 Sportul
Gloria     1-0 Dacia Unirea
Farul      2-0 Inter
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:40:25 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher S. Allen (CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu)

Christopher> Having seen how the US sports press can create "instant"
Christopher> stars (witness Greg Lamond in bicycle racing), it may be
Christopher> possible to get a boost for US soccer, but there needs to
Christopher> be a "critical mass" of a story first.  Perhaps Wynalda
Christopher> is the vehicle for this?

Ah, yes, the Bobby Fischer effect. The sure was a story in Lemond --
one of the very best in many years. Wynalda is looking good, but
nowhere as spectacular as Fischer or Lemond. Actually, due to the
nature of the game, no football player really can be.

/Lars
--
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From: kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Backpass & Tactics
Keywords: backpass, rules, tactics, 
Organization: Physics Morgue, The University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:30:59 GMT

Now everyone have had some time to look at games with the
new "backpass" rule, how do you think it has changed the 
tactics of the game? (_if_ it has).

From watching the highlights of the English Premiere
League, it seem to me that there is less building up
play from the backs, a theory for this being that
with the safe option of the backpass to goal banned, 
the tendency is to play safe by rushing the ball 
forward up the field. The lack of a safe option has
forced previous "lets knock the ball around at the back
for a bit while the midfield and forwards try to
create an opening" behavior out of the picture.

Of course it may just be that English soccer is
going backwards :-) /or should that be :-( / 
Athough we also get Euro and Italian Highlights 
in Australia (hooray for SBS!), I haven't been 
watching them lately, so I can't comment on other 
leagues.

So, does anybody agree with me?
-- 
+soluble fish+
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Date: 2 Oct 1992 10:40:57 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Attn: Sandy
Re: Over-rated Maradonna

You know, I was thinking the same thing myself. Why so much press coverage
for an overweight, out of shape, and aging former star? I am afraid that
the US press *has* to have *ONE* star that they can identify as a hero
in order to even think about covering a sport. As you well know, football
is not a sport in which one person can carry a team as in basketball.

Unfortunately, this is symptomatic of the football-awareness on this side
of the Atlantic. What this means is that the only way the US press is
going to pay attention to football is if the US National team makes it
out of the first round of the WC '94 and *one* player is perceived to
be the "star". If that happens, I am guessing the candidates will be
John Harkes (Sheffield Wednesday), Tab Ramos (Real Betis), Roy
Wegerle (Blackburn Rovers), Thomas Dooley (Kaiserslautern) or Eric
Wynalda (FC Saarbru"cken).

Comments?

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Subject: Soccer games...
From: zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...)
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:41:51 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Hi Y'all!

Since the "soccer computer games" subject has been of interrest lately,
it would be nice of those who know of such games to post a game's name, what
it's about, where can one get it (FTP site, S/W store,...), etc...
Just a thought...

-- 
Ziad.

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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers Match Report
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:25:56 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND

Played on Wednesday September 30th
European Cup First Round Second Leg

Lyngby  0  Rangers  1

           Durrant 85

Agg. 0-3

Att. 5000

Rangers move into the second round of the European Cup after disposing of the
Danes. The small crowd, half of which was Rangers fans, reflected the apathy
and realism among the home support. According to the Daily Record and very
limited TV highlights, Rangers were never in any serious trouble and the goal
which sealed it five minutes from time came after Durrant had been put clean
through and he walked past the keeper and poked it into the net. This had
come five minutes after he had hit the post after first Hateley and then
Steven, had had shots saved.

Rangers:
Goram, McCall, D. Robertson, McPherson, Brown, Durrant, Steven, Ferguson,
McCoist, Hateley, Huistra

More information when the raiding party gets back from the bars and brothels
of Copenhagen.

-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
 Spider Systems Limited     
 Edinburry                               FOUR IN A ROW
 Scotland
From: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk (David MacManus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Arsenal v Man City
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:53:39 GMT
Reply-To: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk
Organization: Institute of Neurology NMR Research Group, London, UK.


		Arsenal 1 Man City 0
	(Wright 19mins)

	Match played 28 Sept, shown live on Sky.
	
Better performance by the Gunners, well deserved win and should have been
more than 1-0.
Only one Arsenal player booked (must be a record)... Limpar for disputing 
decision not to award a penalty.
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