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From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: L'Equipe on LeMond
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:48:58 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: world
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute


My dear cycling friends, I only wish I had enough time to translate all
the wonderful articles which the French L'Equipe includes each day.
Four or Five full newspaper size pages filled with Tour de France articles,
interviews, photos, analyis, Hinault's daily column, and unfettered by
ads!  But I've barely had time this year to even read it myself.  They
are just piling up on my table.  But if this isn't enough to convince
you to learn to read french, nothing is.

Anyway, here was the L'Equipe reaction to LeMond abandonning.

1. Not mentionned on the front page.
2. Not mentionned on until somewhere on the third page of coverage.
3. On the that page, there was an article which described his
   abandonning and there was an interview with one of his teams
   managers.

It simply was not that big a deal.  Many very good riders have abandonned in
the past, and many more will in the future.  So the news coverage goes
on talking about all the other incredible atheletes who deserve the
coverage of their performances.

Dennis
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Teams Scoring
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:06:15 GMT

In response to a question about TTT timing from Paul Schulz,
Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando wrote:
>Some few years ago, I listened that the teams scoring comes from the three 
>first times of the riders of each team in the stage, I'm not sure if it is
>this way now.

I responded:
: More precisely, it is the time of the third rider on each team (i.e.
: the time that the leading edge of the front wheel on the third rider's
: bike crosses the line).

Now Andrew Merritt writes:
>I think the question was how are the team standings in the TdF worked out,
>and I believe the answer is that given by Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando; the times
>of the top three riders for each team are added together.

Right answer to the wrong question.

>For the Team Time Trial, it is the time of the fifth rider over
>the line which is taken as the team time.

In any given race the position to be timed can be specified.  In the
Olympics, World Championships and (I believe) the TdF, it is the time
of the third rider.
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From: ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Profile Bars for MTB's
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:44:00 GMT

sml@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Steven Law) writes:

>The previous discussion on bar ends for MTB's I don't think anyone mentioned
>Profile bars. These are the type that convert straight bars into Scott
>lookalikes.

>Does anyone have experience with them? Are they comfortable, light, cheap
>or whatever? How do they compare to Scott bars?

Ya, I got them, the old durango.  Yes they are comfortable.  Light, not 
compared to your onza's or the scotts. Cheap, no mine were like $50-60
and the dealer was giving me a deal (at the time, they were like 60-70).
Compared to the Scotts they are heavier, mabey more expensive (depending
on which scott model your talking about), they have one more hand possition
than the bullhorn style but not any more than the other Scott that wraps around.I don't even know if you can still get the Durangos anymore as they have a new
bar end style...look at Neds bike.

   >I do mostly touring on and off road and the occasional race. I currently
>have Onza bar ends which provide one extra position but I wouldn't mind
>having extra positions.

I would also add that I have had trouble with the expanding bolts and even
more trouble with the bolts that bolt to the binder.  Futher more they will
develope play at the pivot point.  I think this is why they have gone to the 
new design.  Frankly I am just whating for mine to break at the pivot, so I
can justify some cinch style bar ends.  If you realy want one more hand  
position I would look else where. Frankly I stick with what you have.

Just my .02, I sure there folks who have had good luck with them...

chris "over bars" ward

>Steve Law.
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: TDF climbs... Part II
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:09:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Bruce, I think you're over-reacting to Jobst. After reading his
posts for a couple of months I decided that he was just a 
crotchety ol' nit that had a thorn in his paw. :-)
 
While it is very plain that Jobst is purely negative on virtually
any issue, it is equally plain that he does have a lot of experience
and knowledge to impart (if you can pry it out of him.)

Anyone that can't take an attack from Jobst probably shouldn't post
anything here anyway. And when he launches one of those sensless attacks
it could easily be blunted if the rest of us simply stay calm and
point out his errors, without personalities becoming involved.

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From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:06:42 GMT

In <1992Jul27.051157.20873@mach4.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:

>Okay, now you've got me REALLY mad. Bicycles are the wave of the future, not
>a relic of the past. I get people staring at me when I tell them I don't
>have a driver's license. They think I'm nuts.

I get the same reaction from some people.  Of course these are the same people
who go around saying, "We had better start taking better care of our
environment... reduce greenhouse gases... etc..."  Who are "We" ?  Apparently
not them.  Apparently not even cyclists like me !
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From: stevek@bean.uucp (Stephen Kruse)
Subject: Re: TdF newsflash -- Wednesday 15 July: Strasbourg -> Mulhouse
Organization: Compass Design Automation   San Jose, California
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 11:58:40 GMT

In article <SIMON.92Jul15212608@liasg1.epfl.ch> simon@lia.di.epfl.ch (Simon Leinen) writes:
>Once again Fignon proved his exceptional downhill skills.  By the way,
>he also holds the record in the inofficial maximum speed competition
>among TdF participants (maybe only the French?) with 106 km/h.
>-- 
Thierry Marie (Castorama) indicated that Fignon had reached 105 kph
in the Cote de Laffrey (near Gap). It is worth noting that TdF
winners such as Merckx, Hinault, Lemond, and Indurain are maybe
in the top 20 as climbers, but as descenders they are top 5.
The best being Frederic Vichot (Castorama).
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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:01:19 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 2271

From article <Bs3swA.3G3@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, by srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (elm) writes:-

> In article <y0lm!ln.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul27.184007.14648@csi.uottawa.ca> mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin) writes:
>> >In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>> >>If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
>> >>have a 15mph speed limit?
>> >
>>      . . .
> BTW, what is a Canadian limit doing in obsolete Imperial units?  Is it 15 kph
> or 25kph (=15 mph for the American audience).  I haven't seen them yet; I've
> been out of town since before they were imposed.
>>      . . .
>> bicycle paths. Those speed limits reflect the _danger_ of bicycle paths.
>> >
>> >
> Funny, I thought speed limits reflected the autocratic feifdom of Queen Jean
> over the NCC. Anyone ever heard of bike path speed limits anywhere else
> on the planet?  If you had to guess one city in the world that would have such
> a thing, wouldn't it just be Ottawa though?
> 


  How many cyclists have speedos on their bikes?

  How many have the faintist idea what speed they are doing at any moment?

  I cycle 15 km to work and 15km home from work every day. About 45 minutes
  to get to work & about 35 minutes going home (due to altitude difference
  & prevailing winds). I am not out to break any records but since most of
  the trip is on cycle paths I must be breaking speed limits somewhere along
  the way.

  I wear a helmet. A jerk was walking off one side of the cycle path one
  day with his poodle walking off the other side; the lead was across the
  path, dangling a foot or so above the ground. If he hadn't seen me and
  thought to drop the lead to the ground in time, his dog would probably
  have had its neck broken, and I would have gone flying - I decided to
  buy a helmet! Now I'm used to wearing it, and wouldn't cycle without it!

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From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: centuries
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:47:55 GMT

>>In article <1992Jul20.171835.2561@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
>>mcclella@yertle.Colorado.EDU (Gary McClelland) hill and dales us:
>>>Colorado is almost 4000 feet. ...The Flint Hills are beautiful
>>>rolling hills in the central part of the state. ...

>In article <1992Jul20.212135.6700@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam
>Henry) artfully replies: 
>>An ASCII contour-profile map of Kansas after the above rendition.

>>         /        \               O  O
>>Colorado/          \_____________/ \/ \______________^^^_Missouri
>>                             (Flint Hills)

In article <1992Jul21.143623.22860@tamsun.tamu.edu>
glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr) counter steers:

>Nice ASCII work there, Sam, 

thanks.

>but I think you are giving Kansas more credit than it is due.

Actually, I was 

a. giving Gary the benefit of the doubt.

b. having a hell of a time getting the proportions right.


>...  I am always alerted to the existence of the "scenic" Flint Hills
>by a conspicuous sign along the freeway, notifying me:

>                 Scenic Flint Hills
>                  Next 31 Miles ...

Reminds me of a trip I took from El Paso to White Sands Missle Range
along a long, desolate road through treeless desert.  At almost
exactly the half-way point stood a single scrub mesquite tree.
Planted next to the tree was a tastefully done sign "Terlinqua
National Forest".


>Now, don't get me wrong.  I don't claim that the area around Texas A&M
>is beautiful, or even scenic.  Fairly flat, yes.

Au contrair!  Some of the most beautiful wild flowers in Texas are
between you and Brenham, Hempstead, and Navasota.  Very flat, until
you get to the river bottoms, and then fairly flat.

>P.S.  What is a tree?

See above.

>Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89

-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:58:35 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Jul27.051157.20873@mach4.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:
>In article <2A73255D.3B80@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>>>Bicycles are legally vehicles under the Highway Traffic Act (HTA).
>>... which explains why so many of them are driven on sidewalks and between
>>lanes of cars...
>
>Bicycles are driven on sidewalks primarily by (a) young kids who aren't safe
>on roads; (b) cyclists who feel intimidated by drivers trying to turn them
>into roadkill; and (c) a minority of teenage assholes whose prime mission is
>to make life for everyone else hell...No, it isn't legal to ride on
>sidewalks, and it shouldn't be...but a sidewalk can look pretty nice after
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually it depends upon the municipality.  In Kanata it`s legal.  At one time
it was illegal in Ottawa but there was talk of changing it.  Does anyone know
what it is now?  The redesignation of a sidewalk to pedestrian/bicycle path is
quite easy (except for local interest groups).
>>>Safety equipment (e.g. lights, brakes and horns) and operating procedures
                                             ^^^^^
>>>for bicycles are mandated by legislation.
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^
In the mid-seventies horns were removed, as was bicycles from the HTA (proper).
The bicycle portion was added as an appendix, or addendum.  The problem with
horns/bells was that they failed at the most inapropriate times.  The human
voice was considered far superior at that time.  I wasn't aware that horns had
been placed back into the HTA or that bicycles had been put into the main
portion of the HTA.  A light is required only for driving at "night" (which I
believe is between 1/2 hour before sunset and 1/2 hour after sunrise).

I just wish everyone (including cyclists) would signal more.  I also hate cars
with really dark tinting so you can't see through them.



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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: TDF results: stage 14
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:54:38 GMT

In article <1682A9420.RONEAL@lexmark.com>, RONEAL@lexmark.com writes:

|> It probably didn't help Bugno much running into that boneheaded photograper
|> on the first climb.

That guy did well, he also brought down Millar and Fignon.  Bugno could do to take lessons from Hampsten though.  He gave some little squirt a brilliant right hook as he ran out (that was at d'Huez).  The crowds there were so dense that he couldn't even see the road.... this must have been intimidating.

David.
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From: kxh26@cas.org (Kenneth D. Huffman)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:33:28 GMT

In article <l7e1o9INNpa@bovina.cs.utexas.edu> varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.200551.21348@cas.org> kxh26@cas.org (Kenneth D. Huffman) writes:
>
>>I believe the bent left arm is preferred.
>
>[Explanation of how he signals, and correct attribution of origin to
> motorists before electric turn signals being able to reach only one
> window.]
>
>Wonderful use of the passive voice.  It leaves us with the unanswerable
>questions of who it is preferred by and for what reasons, if any.

I didn't think I was being too vague.

Preferred by people who don't want to break the law perhaps?  For the reason
that that was the original legal way of signaling.  I thought I explained that
in the paragraph you cut out.

If I ruined [more precisely: disappointed or aggravated] anyone's [more
precisely: a rec.bicycles reader's] day [more precisely: the moment my
original article was read] by being too imprecise [more precisely: not saying
exactly you would have preferred I say in the first place], send me e-mail
[more precisely: internet or bitnet mail] and I'll apologize [more precisely:
humor you] in person [more precisely: via direct electronic reply].  :-)

I've never seen a biker arrested for using his or her right hand...
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From: lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:47:01 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <22784@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:

>    I especially liked the way they cut to "Dick Enbergers Moments"
>in the last five minutes of the race, just after it looked like the
>australian's break was might work. After Dick waxed poetic about how 
>the opening ceremonies differed from the 1968 olympics, we were treated
>to ten minutes of local news, then a five minute blurb on the programming
>for the pay channels. With commercials, about a 25 minute break from
>the race!

[stuff deleted]

The local newspaper had a brief story regarding the fact that NBC
coverage of the games would all be delay broadcast with "LIVE TAPE"
with the exception of the basketball finals (unless the "Dream Team"
get upset before the finals).  An NBC spokesperson explained that
delayed coverage allows them to build the suspense to the final events
("control the flow" I would believe, "build the suspense"????).  After
all, if they showed the finals of an event live because the timing was
right, who would be interested in watching the preliminaries of the
event that were taped when we were all asleep???  Besides, they
promised their sponsors a Nielson rating of at least 15.3...

Tape it and use fast forward, NBC did.

lars
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From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Manitou Full Suspended by Answer?
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:07:59 GMT

Hi,
i heard that the Manitou Full Suspended frame is going to be produced
in license by Answer (like the suspension fork). 
Do you have further information on this, or is it only a rumour? What
will be the price for the frame only?

Thanks,
Adrian
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From: lee@nihon (Lee Cameron)
Subject: Re: slight catch/cough in chest (velodrome racer)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:22:09 GMT

vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo) writes:
: I race in the Northbrook Velodrome and for the past week and a half I 
: have had sort of a cough or catch in my chest once in a while when I 
: breath. And once in a while I go into a coughing spell.  I have no cold
: symptomes. What is it?  What can I take over the counter that won't hurt
: my performance?
:  
    We have always referred to that as track man's hack. It isn't a problem
    in championship type meets where you ride afew times spread across a
    day. The hack happens most at evening meets when you ride several
    bunch races in a short time period. Some riders coat their throat
    with glycerin to prevent it. I prefer to use Buckley's Cough Medicine
    to coat my throat.  After a hard meet on a hot evening most riders
    would cough for a day or so.

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From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:40:35 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <1992Jul27.213529.8812@panix.com>, paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
|> 
|>  One strategy to avoid the offensive NBC coverage of Olympic Sport is to 
|> video tape it all, and then fast foward through the crap. The events are 
|> tape delayed by NBC anyway in most cases, so time-shifting it abit more is

Well, out of two nights of recording, I have yet to see any
cycling.  It was supposed to be on the past two nights, and
there is **NO CYCLING** there.  The guide said cycling for
the past two night, but nothing.

Leigh Ann

|> no big deal.
|> 
|>  With a second vcr, the good stuff can be copied over and saved.
|> 
|>  Also, some sort of organized letter writing campaign to NBC letting them
|> know that they are making a lot of people sick to their stomachs with their
|> garbage coverage might help......                          
|> 
|> ttyl
|> 
|>  
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Presta to Shraeder tire valve adapters
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:12:26 GMT

In <1885@coyote.UUCP> manish@thinker.almaden.ibm.com (Manish Arya) writes:

>Has anyone found a presta to shraeder tire valve adapter that works
>well?  I've only tried one, which a bike shop gave me for free
>when I bought a bike.  It is a short piece of threaded aluminum
>without any gaskets.  I've tried 3 different "car tire" pumps
>with the adapter with no luck; the air always leaks quickly while
>the pump is securely attached.

I have a knurled brass adapter I got from the Third Hand.  It's a
push-on type, not screw-on, and has very good seals.  It also has a
chain for attaching it to a Schrader floor pump or compressor hose to
keep it from getting lost.
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From: jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.115511.16845@alf.uib.no> paulo@eik.ii.uib.no (Paul Olav Tvete stipendiat) writes:
>....300 days of rain each year. Will paraffin wax work well under wet conditions?
>

No.  The one drawback of waxing a chain is that it washes off easily after
one wet ride.  You would be rewaxing after every ride.
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