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From: cs911029@ariel.yorku.ca (THOMAS J DUCK)
Subject: Re: Favorite Alex solos (was Alex' guitar work on p/g)
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:26:07 GMT

>  Personally, I have always had a certain passion for the first solo in La 
>Villa Strangiatto, and the outro for Mission.  I think both of these works 
>are just incredible.  Almost brings tears to the eyes.  Hey, maybe we could 
>start a thread about everyones favorite guitar solos.

     Hmmm...  I'd definitely have to say that the solo in the mid
section of La Villa Strangiato (the slower 7/4 time section) is far
out and away my favourite solo.  It is incredible from a guitar/artistic
point of view.

     BTW,  in a music book that I have ("RUSH COMPLETE"),  it calls
this section "A Lerxst in Wonderland".  I don't beleive that I ever saw
this title (or the others) on the album sleeve.  Anyone care to
enlighten me where they came from then?

     It would also be interesting to know what guitarists (like myself)
favourite solos are,  and what other listeners favourite solos are.  I
wonder if they are similar or differ vastly?

Cheers,
Thomas J. Duck
From: slj1k@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: shine-head o' connor
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:22:43 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

> In <101918@netnews.upenn.edu> lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec13.173353.25294@pool.info.sunyit.edu> utdp@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Thomas Prohigh) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec11.171046.7069@iitmax.iit.edu> boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) writes:
> 
>>[Survey about Sinhead O'Conner deleted]
> 
>>>[She sucks and is very Anti-American.  I am from New Jersey...]
> 
>>[Mmmmm. There is nothing that pisses off righteous god-fearing...]
> 
> That's right, John. You'd better take cover; I am very proud of America and
> of our national anthem. Any Anti-American bald-headed bitch who thinks that
> whatever she says go and that I am nothing better than a right-winged facist
> who enjoys showing his patriotism and love of America (that is how you spell
> it, by the way) should go fuck herself. Are you saying that principle is
> nothing but a crock and that everyone should go burn a flag today? Well, I
> feel really sorry for you; obviously you are a weak-spined jellyfish who
> cannot help but conform to the new age ideas of society. Do you not love
> your country? I am not saying that America is perfect, but I can't
> understand why you refuse to show a little national pride. Or have I missed
> something and it is now "hip" to be anti-America?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
> University of Rochester	*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
> New York			*	- Rush, "The Trees" 

	yeah, what he said!

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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 23:03:29 EST
From: <H97SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: collectors item

anyone have a guess what an original        CFNY  102.1
                                           the spirit of radio

           bumper sticker is worth   i got the last ones from the station

                              mike

p.s. please do not send mail to my mailbox    i do not have the room!!!
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:24:06 EST
From: Doc <SS3254B@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Biggest AOR 'hit' (was Chronicles)
 <1gnei9INNrc2@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu>
 <1992Dec16.155518.16303@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>

Once, I was talking to a friend who had spent the last ten years of his life
listening to nothing but Top 40 radio, and I was telling him how I was a
fan of Rush.  When I said Rush, he, surprisngly, said "Rush...'Subdivisions'".
Now Subdivisions, although being one of their best songs, didn't strike me
as a big hit, but I have heard that Subdivisions was their only Top 40 single.
Not really that surprising that such great music is so overlooked, while
other junk, like Madonna and Garth Brooks continue to sell millions of records.
Just my $0.02.  - Doc

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From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Chronicles (the Video)
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:49:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Hey, Terry:

	I'm sorry that you were disappointed overall with the "Chronicle"
videos. I just bought it a few weeks ago myself, and at first I was on the
fence about the videos as well. Some were great while others were not of
"eMpTyV" quality. However, I'm glad that the Rush videos aren't really made
to MTV style because many of the videos seem to be trying to sell the band
(if we can call some of these groups these days). Rush wants people to enjoy
the music; they aren't trying to sell an image, they want to make people
have fun enjoying the music with the video. Their videos are a lot like
ones that Peter Gabriel makes; they are fun to watch, and at the same time
enjoy the music.

	Maybe I'm wrong but the last time I saw an MTV video, it seemed to
be trying to sell sex, and that the music was only a backdrop to this
"forbidden pleasure." I enjoy Rush's music. Whether they make videos or not
is of no importance; their music is so good that they don't need to make
these high tech let's-sell-our-body type videos. Like "Time Stand Still,"
for instance. It is done poorly as far as video making is concerned, but as
someone pointed out when I complained of that, that the band didn't really
care about how the video appealled to their audience, because they seemed to
be having fun doing it. Even Neil got into it (in his Neil sort of way...).

	Of course, some of the videos are really good cimenatography work.
One that I particularily liked was the "Mystic Rythmns" video. The imagery
was really "mystifying" (groan), and it actually has caused me to like the
song even more than before I saw the video. What a great song; why hadn't I
realized it before? Anyhow, I know that this thread is getting long, but I
thought I would just throw in my $0.02 on Terry's comments.

	Rush on, everyone.

-- 
Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
New York			*		- Rush, "The Trees" 
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From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Anthem as an example: an opinion
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:56:59 GMT

	About the national anthem-
	Just an opinion here, but the way to handle the problem (and the way I
think anybody who is _REALLY_ trying (only) to do the right thing would be to
ask the audience before performing.  It makes the most sense to me as being the
way to say how you feel and still respect each other.  

Stage before performance:
[a skinny bald person (hard to tell gender with the clothes) comes onto stage]
(in a moderate irish accent):
	"I want you all to know that I don't wish to be required to reform to
your belief-systems.  I am not a member of your country, and do not wish to be
forced into paying homage to your government.  Because of this, I would like to
ask that the national anthem not be sung here.  How many of you would prefer
to sing it?" [crowd cheers wildly, a few yells of irritation that somebody'd
ask such a thing]  "How many would rather not?" [virtual silence]
	"Okay, play the anthem.", and walks calmly off of the stage, not
participating in the singing, and her values are kept without being 'terrorist'
about it.
	It's kind of like (I appologize for whiplash) our local (I'm in Utah
State, USA) problem of prayer in school.  I have no problem with people wanting
to pray in public places.  I have a problem when people force their religious
viewpoint onto me (it's even worse that they don't realize they're doing so,
or care).  If you want to have a prayer before graduation, anounce that a
prayer will be held at 7:45 and anybody who wishes to attend can, and the
graduation ceremony will begin promptly at 8:15.  I don't see why people don't
get the simple idea of asking if it's okay...

|===   You have no choice in the matter, so you may as well give in   ===|
|===   and just be yourself.                                          ===|
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From: raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES)
Subject: Re: New thread(s)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:48:56 GMT

In article <lockhart.724466401@lorax.cecer.army.mil> lockhart@cecer.army.mil (David Lockhart) writes:
>It seems reasonably clear to me that at least part of Prime Mover is simply
>a sort of autobiography of a deist's god, that is a god which creates the
>universe and then leaves it to run according to natural laws put into it at
>creation.


Aristotle discusses the idea of a "Prime Mover" quite a bit. Sorry I
don't have a reference handy, but a translation shouldn't be too hard
to find. It is interesting to read Aristotle's ideas and think about
Peart's lyrics. I wrote a paper my senior year at college analyzing
some of Peart's lyrics in terms of the class material. It was a 
"Science and Civilization" course that gave a History of Science
from a standpoint as to how it affected the world. I'll try
to dig it up and post the portions concerning Prime Mover.

By the way, this is absolutely one of my favorite Rush songs. I
hope they bring it back next tour. Check out the SOH video for a 
decent live version. I snuck in to a sound check of it in Charlotte on
the HYF tour. It was incredible with just my friend and I, the boyz, some
sound technicians, and unfortunately a few security guards.

later,
Rodney Boles

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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Armagettel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:11:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.001502.26956@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kris Young) writes:
> Hey, I love a good argument, any way I can come by it!  :)
>
>K. Young


	You seem to be arguing with yourself.

-- 
 Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
NeXTMail Accepted  Go Illini *Holiday Bowl* Go Capitals Go Tarheels Go Cowboys 
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.162045.29054@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon) writes:
>In <101918@netnews.upenn.edu> lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec13.173353.25294@pool.info.sunyit.edu> utdp@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Thomas Prohigh) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec11.171046.7069@iitmax.iit.edu> boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) writes:
>>>>
>
>>[Survey about Sinhead O'Conner deleted]
>
>>>She sucks and is very Anti-American.  I am from New Jersey and have seem many
>>>shows at the "Garden State Arts Center (GSAC).  They ALWAYS start off a show 
>>>by
>>>playing the National Anthem.  She REFSUED to go on stage if they did this.  It
>>>was the first time EVER in the 25+ years of the GSAC that they did not play
>>>it.  Needless to say she will NEVER play there again.
>
>>Mmmmm. There is nothing that pisses off righteous god-fearing New 
>>Jersians more than standing on your principles. I mean, really, refusing
>>to perform because of the national anthem of the United States of Amerika is
>>played before your show. 
>
>
>
>
>>-- 
>>John "taking cover" lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu
>
>That's right, John. 

	Here Here.

	If she wants to make money in the US, she'd better respect our 
traditions and values, and our country.  She doesn't believe in Freedom of 
Thought anymore than Brezhnev (sic) did.  If she did, she wouldn't attack the 
Pope.  (And this is coming from an avowed anti-religious person)  The Pope, and
Catholics in general, have a right to believe whatever the Hell they want, and
who's to say that she is right?  I hope she never plays the US again, she has
no idea of what the Anthem stands for.  If it weren't for the U.S. she'd be 
eating weinerschnitzel and speaking German right now.  

				Sorry this degenerated into a blatently
				political anti Sinead tirade, but she
				pisses me off.


-- 
 Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
NeXTMail Accepted  Go Illini *Holiday Bowl* Go Capitals Go Tarheels Go Cowboys 
From: Don.Bruder@altern8.mi.org (Don Bruder)
Sender: FredMail@altern8.mi.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Chronicles
Date: 17 Dec 92  04:54:52 EST

 CCJ> Yes, I noticed the "gap" on my Chronicles cassette 
 CCJ> during NWM.  I was always
 CCJ> wondering about that, but I never had anybody to 
 CCJ> compare with (most of my
 CCJ> friends aren't Rush fans)... their loss.
 
Thank you. At least now I know I'm not alone. Does anyone know if this same
dropout problem is also on the CD?
 
Definitely their loss for not being Rush fans!
From: ducky@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher C. Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Chronicles
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:25:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

Yes, I noticed the "gap" on my Chronicles cassette during NWM.  I was always
wondering about that, but I never had anybody to compare with (most of my
friends aren't Rush fans)... their loss.


===============================================================================
Begin the day with a friendly voice                    |
A companion unobtrusive				       |          His
Plays that song that's so elusive		       |       Fowlness,
And the magic music makes your morning mood...         |   ducky@wpi.wpi.edu
                                        --Rush         |
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From: stephenm@odie.cs.mun.ca (Stephen Mercer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Just who is reading this?
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:00:12 GMT
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland

Thanx  to everyone who replied to my previous post. Your help  has
been appreciated.

"Looking in, out, and around..."

/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Stephen Mercer 		     |"Wondering what our dreams might be |
| Department of Computer Science     |  worth..."                         |
| Memorial University of Newfoundland|"Learning that we're only	immortal  |
| stephenm@odie.cs.mun.ca	     |   ... for a limited time." -- Rush |
| "You mean I'm RESPONSIBLE for what I say!?" ##[ 8^p ]# - "Dreamline" -  |
\-------------------------------------------------------------------------/
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From: umnevile@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Benkamin Bowles Nevile)
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:40:57 GMT

>(IMHO) This is one of the best Rush albums and it does have one of the
>longest songs on it... though the longest songs are probably '2112' and
>'Hemispheres'... The entire second side is taken up by one song 'the
>fountain of Lamneth' (I think that's the title) which is possibly my
>favourite Rush song (even if I'm a bit shaky on the title).

In the biography, _Visions_, it says that on the original album _The
Fountain of Lamneth_ was listed as seperate songs, one for each part.  Of
course, it was still meant to be taken as a whole, but they were listed
seperately.

>The other long song 'Necromancer' does indeed have some really nice long
>instrumental bits in it... and I think that its a follow on from 'By-Tor
>and the snow dog' (if memory serves and you've heard that one?).

_The Necromancer_ is a great tune too.  I've always wondered why this
album was such a flop for them sales-wise, and 2112 did so well.


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From: fineman@stein.u.washington.edu (Twixt your toes)
Subject: Re: oopsy... Whoever just posted in here
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:15:13 GMT


Problem solved.


			sorry for the waste of bandwidth.
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From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: What are these notes?
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:41:29 GMT

	I have a question on music:
	I (try to) play guitar, and I especially enjoy playing with Rush songs.
One of my favorites to accompany is Xanadu (it helps me tune the thing, too). 
I've got most of the song in little bits and pieces, but there's the one bit
that they play at the start (before the sheet music starts), and then repeat
for a couple of bars at the end.  Let's see if I can describe the part well
enough that it can be understood:
	At the start of the song, everything is a background chord with a few
solo guitar notes.  Then the drums start up adding to the background, but not
overpowering anything, followed by the bass.  But when the bass enters, it
takes over the 'stage'.  It does it's bit a few times before the guitar starts
in again.  A little while after this, the guitar is playing quietly a
<repetitive series> without any distortion while the bass continues it's bit. 
Then the <same series> takes over the theme of the song because the distorter
has been kicked in.  And at the end of the song, <this series> is repeated a
couple of times in distortion before the song calms down, and the
non-distorted bit which ends in the 'descending' to the final chord.
	Now (if there's anybody left reading this still...) my question:
	Does anybody know what the notes which repeat are?  The ones that I
have just gone back and surrounded with <>?
	I hope that I've been descriptive enough.  I have read the sheet music
(painstakingly, since I only know enough to translate, not enough to read
fluently), and it's not in there.  If you have any idea what the notes are, or
where I can find out (there's some stuff at syrinx, but I haven't quite figured
ftp out yet), I would greatly appreciate it.
	One last help:  I envision pieces of music as height-relational, so a
note is 'up' or 'down' from the previous note.  The series I'm thinking of
goes:
	first
	down
	up (not to first)
	first
	down
	down (not as much)
	down (as much as first down)
	
I hope it helps, because I'd like to know what these are FOR SURE.  I just
can't seem to get them right.
	Thankx

|===   You have no choice in the matter, so you may as well give in   ===|
|===   and just be yourself.                                          ===|
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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Concert Notes...
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:05:32 GMT

OK, here's a question that maybe some of you "more hardcore" Rush fans
can answer...

I've started trying to collect all of the concert notes from all of
Rush's past concerts.  You know, those things that they charge about
$14.00 for at the concerts -- they have all sorts of cool live pictures
in them, a few notes from the guys, and a list of all the current
albums with pictures of the covers (and, of course, the entire thing is
written by Neil).

Anyone have any ideas where I might be able to "come across" some of
the earlier ones?  I've only been collecting these since Power Windows
or so... I'm not even sure that I have all of them since then (since
they decided to <skip> Northern and Central California for a particular
tour (not that that particular thing will stop me in the future)).

Thanks in advance!
RiViT
--
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RiViT@shell.portal.com                                      russ@mce.com

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From: angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge)
Subject: Re: The AntiRUSH
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:38:11 GMT

NO WAY!  I read an Primus interview, and it said that Les is a big admirer
of RUsh and he got his desire to play bass from Ged. And they toured together,
and Les and ged hung out a lot, including fishing and some other non-musical
activities.  If anything, Primus is running parallel with Rush, in the concept
of producing some of the best music around.  Primus is just on a different
path appealing to the more funky side of music.

	angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
"I bring Love to give you solace in the darkness of the night" - Rush

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From: jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel Alexander Cherney)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if...
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:06:51 GMT
Reply-To: jcherney@reed.edu

James R Lendino writes
> .... Geddy, Neil, and Alex knew how to read/write music when they first started?
> A friend of mine said that Geddy just recently learned how to notate music; I
> guess that means if this is true, that they would just get together and
> jam, and record what they liked.  My friend said people had to notate
> the music and whatever for them.  This would be a great inspiration to
> all of us who just jam on our instruments and can't read sheet music,
> but to me it seems highly unlikely that Rush was able to put together
> stuff like Xanadu without knowing how to communicate their ideas
> quantitatively to each other.

Surely, they MUST!  In my old band, I was the only one who could read music.  They only way  
to do it, pretty much, was "Four bars of this... eight bars of this..." etc.  Anything with  
Rush's complexity, it seems to me, requires notation.
From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Lyrics for _Force Ten_
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:24:10 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

Wow!  april@hotcity.COM typed...
> Do you know how Force Ten was written??
> 
>      RUSH needed a fill for the album, so they sat down and fiddled a little,
> and came up with Force Twn in about ten minutes.  They had some deadline to
> meet.  Talk about Grace Under Pressure..

Well, actually it took a few hours to write "Force Ten", as was documented in
_Visions_, but that's still pretty quick.

'By mid-December the band had written nine songs..., but Peter Collins wanted
another.  "He thought it was important to do one more song," said Geddy,
"so Force 10 was written the last day of pre-production on December 14."
Neil took some lyrics that Pye Dubois had mailed to him and added some
verses to them.  With the changes completed, Neil handed Alex and Geddy the
lyrics to 'Force 10' and they both liked them immediately.  A few hours
later Rush had written their tenth song for the new album.  ...With 10 new
songs ready to go, Rush enjoyed their Christmas holiday with their
families.' -- from page 89 of _Visions_


-- 

Dan Delany
dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu
I failed the Turing test.
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