HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris)
Subject: Re: Eating Dogs
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  1 Sep 92 02:41:58 GMT

jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:

>I remember when I lived in Philadelphia back in High School.  There was
>this cult group called MOVE.  They had something like 30 people living
>in a small row home.  The had baracaded the house like a fort, installed
>a machine gun nest on the roof, set up loud speakers and shouted
>obscenities all night long at the neoghbors.  They were rumored for the
>longest time to be capturing stray dogs and cats and eating them.  The
>local news did an investigative piece on them and got pictures of the
>people cooking and eating a dog.  Eventually the people were reported to
>be hauling dirt our of the basement.  The police finally tried to evict
>the people from the house and run them out of town.  This lead to a
>shoot out that lasted 2 or 3 days involving something like 100 police.
>The fire department brought in water canons and they tried to knock the
>house down with the people still inside but the had built it up like a
>fort well enough to withstand this.  They finally ahd a helicopter fly
>over the house and drop a bomb on it.  It blew up and started a fire.
>The firemen refuse to fight the fire until they were sure everyone
>inside was killed by it for fear of their own lives.  They calculated
>that from the amount of dirt hauled out of the basement of this house
>the cult was diggin tunnels uner the city to come up inot peoples
>basements and rob them and kill them.  They calculated that these
>tunnles could stretch on for four city blocks so they let the fire bunr
>everything over four city blocks around the house to assure that anyone
>hiding down in the tunnels would be killed and not come up and kill the
>firemen.  Then the put the fire out and rebuilt the hundreds of houses
>they burned down and reimbursed all the fmailies for theit losses.
>This was a poor neighborhood but the families were all given seriously
>expensinve cars and fancy homes and all sorts of luxuries to replace and
>compensate their losses.        

>Essentially, the city moved MOVE.

>anyone else out there from Philly around this time and remember all

I remeber this well. Wilson Goode was mayor, and at first everyone said
"yes!good for goode!" but soon he started catching all kinds of shit. (I
think this was after it was discovered that several small children dies
in the fire. Thd group was really creepy, I remember news clips showing
the MOVE members walking along the rooftops with semi-automatic rifles,
and thinking how on earth could they walk aroung in broad daylight with
weapons & not get popped by the police? I for onw was not particularly
sorry a bomb was dropped on them, tho I did feel bad for the children
who were killed.

........posted for Beverly H.    >this?
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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: What makes an urban legend work?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:06:43 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <Bu27wA.H5A@mail.boi.hp.com> ahill@boi.hp.com writes:
>But realize that Microsloth is based in Washington (that's the state, folks),
>and nobody out west knows anything about or cares a rat's *ss about the land
>east of the Mississippi.  The whole region is pretty much classified as
>"those city b*st*rds out east".  With this in mind, it's pretty obvious it
>was a coincidence.

No, no. I'm from Washington (no, if I meant DC, I would have said that!)
and you're wrong. It's east of the rockies. Maybe the cascades.

				-Dave
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From: lm8637@tnessd.sbc.com (Lou Montgomery (214+464-1049))
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The Flat Earth Society???
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:30:34 GMT
Organization: Southwestern Bell

In article <chan.715238738@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> chan@elec.uq.oz.au (Chuen Wen Chan) writes:
>Just wondering, why hasn't anyone formed a flat moon society.  After
>all, we only see one side of it, why can't it be a flat disc?
>
     Not a bad guess, my friend.  There IS a rural legend that our
    half dollars were modeled after the moon.  Some even believe that
    when the originator

                                                 ,
                                               -(D-)
                                                 '

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From: jfreter@triton.unm.edu (The Myth)
Subject: Re: What makes an urban legend work?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:22:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug25.220107.9959@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes:
>
>Also, a Coors contamination rumor (mice, I think) started to spread in the
>midst of union problems and other political problems at Coors.
>-- 

Wasn't it a live mouse that was found in a bottle of Elsinore Beer?


Bored minds want to know.
From: frenchs@forsan.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Cellular Frequencies
Keywords: n
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:54:55 GMT
Reply-To: frenchs@forsan.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In the UK the Police moved off band 2 (or is it band 3) ie 88 - 108 Mhz some 
years ago. They now ocupy 144 Mhz, 450 Mhz and like frequencies.

Re Cellnet . Certainly in the UK you can hear both sides of the conversation 80%
of the time. This is due to crossover and allows the users to hear themselves.
I believe the other freuency of UK cellphones is around 1 Mhz. This technique
being known as full duplex.

Simon - G6ZTZ
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Counterfeiting
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:31:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.012336.26921@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>ObUL: The $1 bill is the smallest denomination of paper money in
>      the developed countries.

Is the U.S. a developed country?  1863-5 US 50 cent and 25 cent paper money
exists (I have one of each of the socalled "fractional currency").

cjl
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Of Butterflys and Hurricanes
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:01:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.112301.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, amconn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>A butterfly fluttering in Tokyo can
> cause a storm in New York two weeks later. I realize that this is a gross
> oversimplication of sensitivity to initial conditions in any long-term,
> multivariable modeling system, but is there any truth to this at all, if _all_
> variables can be accounted for?

The ``butterfly fluttering its wings'' is a standard metaphor for
describing chaotic systems -- very small changes in the input
conditions can produce very large changes in the output.  Put another
way, one *can't* account for all variables; there are far too many of
them.  I have no idea if the sensitivity goes down to the Heisenberg
uncertainty level, but it goes down pretty far...
From: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: The New Hackers Dictionary - Reviewed
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:48:46 GMT
Organization: University of Adelaide, South Australia

I was just scanning through my 21-August edition of Pacific Computer Weekly,
and on page 15 is a glowing review of TNHD.

One of the comments that I liked best is:

    Hacker is this case is used in a friendly sense - not in the sense of
    the ill-informed cretins who break into systems or spread viruses with
    malicious glee.  It is used in the sense of enthusiasts who seek to push
    computers and computer programming just that little bit further or
    harder than before.

Finally a journalist with a clue!



Regs,
Phil.


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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: What makes an urban legend work?
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:54:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.130728.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>(Quick how-to on what I'm talking about. From MS Windows, fire up a
>Windows word processor: Write, e.g.  Select the Wingdings font. Now
>type "NYC."  You should get the icons [StarofDavid,Skull&Bones,ThumbsUp]).

	If it's true, it is pretty sick.  I doubt highly that it's some
coincidence either.  Just goes to show how incredibly BAD MS is despite all
their sales.. They have no-brained PC users thinking they are the end-all of 
software programming.
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Death by sneezing
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:28:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <blah> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
>lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>
>>cjl (is my red your green?)
>
>There's something abot color that seems more arbitrary.  Perhaps it's
>because we know about color-blind people, who can see but who have
>impaired perception of color.  It's odd, though, that one sort of
>perception would be particularly effective at making people ponder
>the difference between the world, our sensations, and our descriptions
>of our sensations.

I think it is due to our visual-based culture.  Smell and taste seem like
a much richer area for subjective differences, but I never thought of it
as a child...

Regards.

-- 
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Counterfeiting
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.004434.3887@nas.nasa.gov>
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
 
>I am planning a Bay Area ACM/SIGGRAPH meeting on this topic in the near
>future.  It will be an outgrowth of color copier technology (we'll
>probably hold it at Xerox PARC).  I also plan to invite the Secret Service,
>a company which I know which makes money recognizer machines (they have
>plates), and a few other people.
>
>Watch for it in comp.graphics or ba.seminars.  Probable date: January.
>
>Time to 'u'.
 
the recently rerun episode of Nova about money & counterfeiting was
pretty interesting as well...
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:30:19 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <1992Aug12.224855.19221@thelema.uucp>, STella@thelema.uucp sez:
>
>Anybody got one for the seven deadly sins?

After an especially exuberant party one night, we came up with 
APE SLAG:

Anger / Pride / Envy / Sloth / Lechery / Avarice / Gluttony


It's not perfect, since Avarice could also be Greed, but having both
As before the G helps prevent that confusion.  That's why we rejected
APE GALS :)


Mark "what about champerty and barratry?" Eckenwiler

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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Counterfeiting
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:43:15 GMT

In article <l9tjonINNm1h@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 25849@dog.ee.lbl.gov, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:
>> U.S. currency is printed on a truly deluxe paper [...]
>
>If I remember correctly, the material is mostly a combination of linen
>and cotton, and might almost be better described as "cloth" than
>"paper".  I've been looking through my Cecil books, and couldn't find
>the recipe, so I must have read it somewhere else.
>
>Of course, a person might guess this since if you forget to empty your
>pockets before you wash your pants, all the assorted scraps of paper
>are turned into mush, but the money stays almost perfectly intact.
>
>Brian "Laundering Money" Scearce
>---
>Brian Scearce                               bls@sector7g.eng.sun.com
>        The above does not necessarily represent Sun policy.
>          It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: College Pranks (Was Re: Vacation Time!)
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:27:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: >That is not the point. You are not a large distributed mass. To continue the
: >illustration, since it seems some cannot follow - if the shower is 100 square
: >feet and the water is only 4 feet deep, then there is a pressure of about
: >25,000 pounds on the floor joists which were designed to support a ton or
: >two. 
: 
: Ok - now you're done it.  I've gone and hauled out my old copy of the
: National Building Code of Canada, 1980.  Here is an exerpt:
: 
: 4.1.6 Live Loads Due to Use and Occupancy
: Table 4.1.6.A
: Use of Area Of Floor or Roof	Minumum specified distributed Load (kN/m2)
: 
: Residential areas
: 	Sleeping an living quarters
: 	in apartments, hotels, motels,
: 	boarding schools, colleges and
: 	hospitals						1.9
: 
: Toilet Areas						2.4
: 
: (For the metric impaired (people of alternate measurement systems), 1.9
: kN/m2 = 40 psf, and 2.4 kN/m2 = 50 psf)

Ok - then water 1 foot deep exceed their minimum standard. That produces
a pressure of 62.4 pounds/ft^2.

: Lets see - 1kg of water is .1mx.1mx.1m, so .1m depth of water over 1m2 =
: 981N (assuming gravitational acceleration is 9.81m/s2)
: 
: 0.981kN/m2/.1m(depth) = 9.81kN/m2/m(depth)
: So 2.4/9.81 =~ .245m(depth)

Yep, In other words, less than 1 foot of water. Thanks for providing the
relevant data.

Bill
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: flash pictures of the sunset
Summary: Yellow sales in the sunset, da da DAH da DAH...
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:06:34 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

I just came upon a mention of this phenomenon in "Feedback," the funny
page in the back of the British magazine New Scientist.  The particular
incident cited was tourists taking flash pictures of the cityscape from
the top of the Empire State Building.

Allegedly a Kodak executive was asked over dinner whether they were 
just wasting film.  "I don't know and I don't care," he supposedly 
replied, "as long as they're wasting OUR film!"

(I should mention that Kodak has actually done an exemplary job over
the years of providing all kinds of information to anyone who cares
to avail himself of it.  But I'm sure that if you want to waste a 
roll of film taking flash pictures of the inside of the Astrodome or
whatnot, they won't stop you.)

And it isn't just tourists with Instamatics, either.  A pro I used
to hang around with (a pro PHOTOGRAPHER, you smart-aleck, and yes,
you've got a sick mind) delighted in pointing out people taking
pictures in a somewhat official capacity, using expensive cameras
who had such a puny combination of flash and distance that they might
as well have turned the thing around backwards.  (Helpful Hint #143:
A long lens and a strobe will not compensate for shyness; walk right
up to the front of the banquet hall or whatnot and take your picture
at a reasonable distance! Those sniper shots from the back of the room
will probably be unpublishable, even assuming that they come out at all.)

Joe "What guide number do you use inside the Russian dog mines of WW II?" Chew
From: intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: So, what IS the shelf life of Twinkies?
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:46:44 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James c Copeland) writes:

>OK, I have heard that Twinkies could last for 20 years?  What is the  basis
>for this claim?  What is the REAL shelf life of these things?
>(I have a steak dinner riding on this one).

Well, I have a friend who got a package of Tiger Tails (Twinkies with red
jam on them) and he put them in the window and it's been six years now and
they're still soft.  Mind you, I wouldn't eat them, but the thing is that
*they're STILL soft*!!!  Yikes!

Angelwing - I don't think they'll ever die
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From: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Subject: Re: What makes an urban legend work?
Reply-To: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: world,local
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:39:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.145411.26996@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.130728.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>(Quick how-to on what I'm talking about. From MS Windows, fire up a
>>Windows word processor: Write, e.g.  Select the Wingdings font. Now
>>type "NYC."  You should get the icons [StarofDavid,Skull&Bones,ThumbsUp]).
>
>	If it's true, it is pretty sick.  I doubt highly that it's some
>coincidence either.  Just goes to show how incredibly BAD MS is despite all
>their sales.. They have no-brained PC users thinking they are the end-all of 
>software programming.

Actually, it's not true. The StarofDavid and Skull&Bones are transposed.

Tony "Convert all pirates to Judaism!" Sweeney.
From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Counterfeiting (Was: You are humble and loveable)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:39:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T


In article <1992Aug27.232030.11201@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:

>   About 100 to 125 years ago the five dollar coin and the nickle
>were very similar.  They both simply had a large V on one side, but
>the nickle had a ridged edge much like a quarter does.  As the story
>goes, an enterprising gentleman shaved the edges off some nickels,
>went into stores, bought $.05 items, paid for them with the altered
>nickels, and accepted the $4.95 in change!  I believe that he may also
>have plated the nickels with gold, but I'm not sure.  Don't flame, 
>this is from memory.  I'll look it up when I get home.

Partially true.  The liberty-head nickel did not have reeded edges, hence
no "shaving" was needed.  The $5 gold pieces did not have a "V" on the back.
The liberty head nickel did, but the earlier ones didn't say "cents" on
them anywhere, and the portrait on the fronts of the two coins did look
very similar, so many were gold plated to pull the scam you described.
$5 was a lot of money, and $5 gold pieces were seen infrequently enough
that a gold-colored coin with a big "V" on the back and a liberty head
on the front was enough to fool many people.
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:00:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.181531.25673@sunova.ssc.gov> Chuck Adams <chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov> writes:
>I'm looking for mnemonics for stuff like "FUBAR" (f**ked up beyond all
>recognition).  Is "SNAFU" a real word, or more of the same?  (It may stand for
>screwed 'n all f**ked up, or then again it might be Strange, Nerdy
>A.F.U'ers).............       ;-)

Situation Normal, All FUBARed Up.  (You may substitute your favorite word for
the FUBAR part.)

cjl (actually, the entire world is either FOO or FOO-NOT, which is otherwise
known as FOOBAR.  So, the current slang shouldn't be:

I like Roseann Arnold (Barr) NOT!

rather it should incorporate the BAR as the all-purpose negatory:

I like Roseann Arnold BAR!

Hope this clears it up.)
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: What makes an urban legend work?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:36:49 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>bls@sector7g."They never come up into the hills" Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>Charles Lasner writes:
>>> There is an ongoing debate as to whether there is a "natural" B12
>>> supply not derived from meat, and a "quest" for an alleged vegetable
>>> source that is an obscure plant, etc.

     Of course there's a natural B-12 source that's not derived from meat.
B-12 isn't produced by animals, it's produced by microbes found in the
soil. So I could just negelect to wash my vegetables and get my B12
from the trace amounts of dirt I'd ingest; I prefer to use nutritional
yeast, instead.

>>Yes, this is known as the Quest for the Holi- Gruel.
>>
>It is my understanding that there are 4 varieties of kelp which 
>contain B-12. (Andy and 3 ocean borne plants).

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