From: parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Incorrect Orgasms? (was: Please explain this quote)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:50:30 GMT

sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:

>In article <84wqTB5w164w@cellar.org> revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) writes:
>>sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>>
>>> 
>>>   Many women who have somehow missed out
>>> on being so informed go on blisfully having Incorrect orgasms (the action
>>> of the penis does, of course, result in motion of the clitoris),
>>> so long as the man continues long enough.
>>
>>	You know something? If this is really what Robert thinks is true
>>about female sexual response, I get the feeling he's never actually seen a
>>woman have an orgasm.

>      Brian, you are SO full of shit that it's truly remarkable.

>>
>>	You know, I'm glad I buffer Robert's posts-- hardly anyone I know
>>actually believes that a human being can be so consumed with sexual
>>paranoia. 

>     All hail Brian Siano, the Reverend Politically Correct! Without
>     him, the Usenet would be at the mercy of that crazed madman
>     Sheaffer!

>     Notice how, as usual, Brian and certain of the other Correctoids
>     are QUITE unable to take strong issue with someone's posting
>     without also claiming that the poster is a sorry, misbegotten,
>     twisted, and totally worthless human being.  "Anybody who threatens 
>     my narrow little mindset must be Evil itself!" Gosh, Brian must
>     *himself* realize how wobbly all the stuff is he believes in, to
>     get all bent out of shape at me like this. Folks, I see this kind
>     of stuff, and it goes to my head; I *must be* more influential than
>     I sometimes think!

Not to burst your bubble or anything, but I don't see anything in the post you
quoted that says your are a "sorry, misbegotten, twisted, and totally
worthless human being".  (he *did* say you were "consumed", and accuses you of
being a "human being"  ;)  (JOKE)

>> Not content to postulate a weird conspiracy of lesbian feminists
>>seeking to deprive men of sexually-responsive women (a theory Robert
>>created, no doubt, shortly after that water-fluoridation and
>>purity-of-essence insight), 

>     "A woman needs  a man like a fish needs a bicycle". Hmmmm.

>> Robert seems to feel that men's use of
>>techniques other than penile penetration is the _only_ legitimate way to
>>experience orgasm. (He did say this, you realize; penile penetration is
>>about the only method lesbians _can't_ use. 

I don't think this was quite said right...a bit confusing (or confused).

>      No, he didn't. He objected to the dogma, "the phallus won't work, 
>      so you MUST please her like lesbians do." (What a fantasy-land we
>      must be living in, if we have allowed lesbian-type sexual activity
>      to be defined as 'the norm' for MALES!) Notice that this does not
>      exclude (for example), "On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, we'll
>      use the phallus, on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays we'll use
>      fingers and tongues, and on Sundays we'll use gerbils."

Hey, don't knock those gerbils, from what I hear they can be pretty exciting!
(JOKE!  ;)

If you make your partner happy with a limited variety of techniques, we're all
happy for you (and your partner).  We're sorry if you felt we were saying
otherwise.  (Yeah, I'm arrogantly presuming to speak for everyone else who
"flamed" RS.  ;)   Just don't limit other's experience by advocating coitus as
the only way to go (or is it come? ;)

>      It's amazing how some bright people on the Usenet mess up even the
>      most elementary logic when their pretty little dogmas are threatened.

>>	So, methinks Robert, being areal man, eschews such 'lesbo' methods
>>as manual stimulation, delicate licking of the nipples, healthy back
>>massages, kneading muscle tension down the legs, and especially
>>cunnilingus-- the insidious plot of lesbians everywhere, eh?

>        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com

-Rob (not Sheaffer)