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From: "Stefan Berg" <sgberg@peach.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Quantum versus Maxtor
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:37:48 -0500

keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.201057.13440@sth.frontec.se> bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:
>>Regarding hard drives, I (amused) found that GVP has changed hard drives on
>>their 2000/040 accelerator boards from Quantum to Maxtor.
>>
>>Kind'a confirms my feeling that my Maxtor was always a little zappier than
>>my Quantum. :-)

>Not in my, admittedly limited, experience!
>I added a Maxtor LXT-213 to my old Quantum P105S (the 5.25
>half-height older generation). In spite of specs that said the
>newer Maxtor should be faster, it is in fact noticably slower.

I only can speak from experience. I originally got my GVP A500
controller with a LPS52Q (Quantum) drive. I never had any complains
about it. Then I ordered a 120MB Maxtor drive and had immediately
trouble putting it onto my SCSI bus. I finally managed to get it
running (man was it noisy... nothing compared to the LPS52Q) and found
that its performance was less than my LPS52Q. I was pretty mad, since
Creative Computers told me that the Maxtor is equally good than the
LPS120Q drive. I returned the Maxtor. A few days later our 340MB Maxtor
drive (on our IBM 486 computer) just died after running it continuously
for a few months... that was very unexpected, but we got a replacement
from Gateways quickly and I had a recent backup to rely on. From a
friend I heard even worse stories so I began my difficult search for
a Quantum LPS120Q drive. Some time later I finally found one and am
very happy with the Quantum drive ever since. It gives me a much better
performance than the LPS52Q (and hence the Maxtor) and is only slightly
noisier than the LPS52Q drive. I have also currently running a ELS40Q
drive on my SCSI bus, which is also running very reliable. It is about
as fast as the LPS52Q drive and still quieter than the Maxtor.

I used SysInfo, DiskSpeed, SCSISpeed, and real life tests for my speed
tests. Since I have my 030 (no 32Bit RAM, 32Bit ROM though...), my
LPS120Q is running awfully fast (as fast as our IBM486 with the 340MB
Maxtor and a 32Bit! SCSI card). I get about 2MB per second raw throughput
(raw! not when loading fragmented files).

I have to give some credit to the Maxtor drives, though. They are
incredible cheap. Maxtor has some really competitive prices out there.
I just wanted performance and reliablity and didn`t care so much about
the price.

This is all my opinion only... yours may be different! :-)

Stefan

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From: johnl@SDFSERV.hac.com (John Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 3M MCD-40 Tape Drives - Price?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:07:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: hacgate.24084
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company, El Segundo, CA

In article <1ec680INNrvu@agate.berkeley.edu> jma@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jim Alexander) writes:
[...]
>I've been thinking of getting a tape drive, and I wondered if anyone knows
>about what these particular drives sell for (street price)?

The 3M MCD40 tape drive is no longer manufactured, but still useful.  I
purchased mine 1-1/2 years ago for $99 from Wierdstuff Warehouse in
San Jose, CA.  They carry a lot of surplus stuff, but I don't know if they
still have any MCD40's left.  You may have to look around for one.  And
no, mine isn't for sale.

Used/remanufactured SCSI (e.g., Archive or Wangtek) tape drives (which
store much more and are much faster than the MCD40) can be found for $400
or less.

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From: jmarin@messi.uku.fi (Jukka Marin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: CD drive for A2000 A3000 A4000
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:17:26 GMT
Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland

David_Stevens@logopol.amsbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (David Stevens) writes:

>     Does anyone know if there is a CD rom drive, from Commodore, in
>developement? It seems that there is a CD rom drive comming out for the
>A600 called A670, I think. Why doesn't Commodore come our with an internal
>rom drive for the A2000 A3000 A4000?

Maybe because you can get almost any SCSI CD-ROM drive and put it inside
your machine.  What good would it do if Commodore out their sticker on
the drive and added $200 to the price? ;-)

You need a CD-ROM drive and a CD-ROM filesystem from Xetec or some other
company.

  Jukka Marin

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: CFV - alt.fan.marc-barrett (Re:  IBM Develops PC Product in 14 weeks)
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:11:26 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <69854@cup.portal.com> DennyA@cup.portal.com (Denny Lee Atkin) writes:
>Marc, this discussion belongs in .advocacy, not .hardware.

I think it's about time.
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From: Don_-_Hirschfeld@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 3M MCD-40 Tape Drives & HDBackup
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:19:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

AmiBack v2.0 will work with the 3m MCD-40 drive directly. No mountlist,
just set a unique SCSI #. I just got the program and am reading from the 
manual. It just requires to configure the program for direct access.
From: jjf@byron.u.washington.edu (Matthew Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1000 Low-Pass Hack.... Help!
Keywords: A1000
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:26:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov23.152641.23073
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I too am interested in the Amiga low-pass filter hack.  Please net-mail me with info, or anyone just post it up here so we can all read it.  thanks!

jjf@byron.u.washington.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:16:06 -0500 
From: "Alex R.N. Wetmore" <aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: A1200 motherboard in A1000 (Yes No Maybe?)

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.hardware: 19-Nov-92 A1200
motherboard in A1000 .. by Christopher Dalton@andre 
> What is it about the 1000 that people don't want to give up?  Maybe the 
> keyboard garage.  It's a wonder nobody has copied that.

For me it isn't the keyboard garage, but the external keyboard.  I hate
machines that have everything built into the keyboard, so that you can't
put the machine on your lap (or if you can, you will have 5 or 6 cables
running back to the desk instead of one).

The only thing that I don't like about my 1000 is that I can't put a fat
agnus in it (without buying a rejuvinator or something).  I'm surprised
no one sells a hack to allow the 1000 to run in PAL mode (or if they do,
I haven't heard about it).

I just don't like the cpu and disk drive (plus HD on the 600 and 1200)
being stuck in the keyboard.  

alex
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Multiprocessing - RemBrant etc
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:52:25 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> Sounds killer but how much is something like that??  And the big
> question, will it fit in a 3000?

You will have a hard time fitting a Zorro III card in an A2000...:) I.e, YES.

The price for Vivid 24 starts at $2995 I think. With the Digital Editmaster 
System (I think the name was) that you use with the Vidid ($2495 more, 
starting price) you can actally grab 24-bit 30frames/s with real-time JPEG 
compression 1:15 to 1:70 directly to the harddisk, edit and then reply real-
time. Sure, it's much $$$ for a private person, but for (say) a local TV 
station, it's pure peanuts compared to what you get.

For more detailed (and possibly more accurate) information, refer to c.s.a.
announce, there was some articles posted there about these two systems there 
for a month or so ago.

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From: meixner@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Matthias Meixner)
Subject: Re: 4000 problems! PLEASE READ
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:59:05 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <boing.722113879@mcl>, boing@mcl.ucsb.edu (Geff Hanoian) writes:
> In <in2a505.722001946@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> in2a505@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (Elvers) writes:
> 
> >c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Oliver Erik Seiler) writes:
> 
> 
> >>> Also when I hit CTRL-A-A to reboot the hard drive parks and spins-down
> >>> then back up again. (seems kinda weird)!
> 
> >>Yes it does... :)
> 
> >Nope... It's normal! It's called reset ;)
> 
> 	My 3000 doesn't do that ???  Is there a reason the 4000 would
> 	when the 3000 doesn't?

It's SCSI, maybe that's the reason.

-Matthias

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From: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: AGA monitors - squishy squishy
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:17:59 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov18.011110.4494@cbnews.cb.att.com> itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack) writes:
>In article <37116@cbmvax.commodore.com>, spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov17.005006.3634@cbnews.cb.att.com> itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack) writes:
>> >...  This makes all
>> >the dblntsc stuff looked squashed.
>> >
>> >Is this a product of my particular monitor, or has this been noticed on other
>> >monitors?  I'm considering getting a new monitor and would like to know if
>> >this is to be expected from multisyncs.
>> 
>> No, it is the software (although some monitors display the problem worse than
>> others), and is a problem that I am trying to address.
>
>Interesting.  You mean software as in the 3.0 system software?  Would you be
>willing to explain the problem real quick?  I'm just curious about it.

In order to smoothly move a display horizontally in the AA productivity-type
modes, such as multiscan, DblNTSC etc, requires making each scan line slightly
longer, and enabling the display later in the line. This pushes the display to
the right, whilst also squashing the line to fit a longer line in the same
amount of phyiscal space.

If you can live without wider autoscrolling productivity type screens, or you
can live with the scrolling problem, then simply cope the VGAOnly monitor from
sys:storage/monitors to devs:monitors and reboot. The VGAOnly monitor is not
really a monitor in the same way that Super72, DblNTSC etc are, but is a flag to
tell the system what to do with the monitor sizes and positions when the
monitors are installed.

>Rich...
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From: benjamin@zds-oem.zds.com (Adam Benjamin)
Subject: 4000 problems! PLEASE READ
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:20:03 GMT


Ok, My 4000 has died (again!) this time 2 days after being returned
from CBM Express.
First off I want to know how many of you 4000 owners have had flawless
performace?  Does the 4000 suffer from being rushed? or do I just have
a lemon?

Secondly I was wondering about a few abnormalities that may be symptoms
of whatever the heck is wrong with my system.
I noticed that file-requesters were never updated correctly.  If I saved
a file and then went to load another file from the same program and same
volume the file I had just saved would NOT appear in the requester unless
I re-entered the volume name and forced it to look up the directory again.
?? Has anyone else noticed this?
Also when I hit CTRL-A-A to reboot the hard drive parks and spins-down
then back up again. (seems kinda weird)! 

Right now my system dies 0-3 minutes after bootup. It still responds to
CTRL-A-A but within the above time it again dies. (most of the time it
freezes, somtimes it guru's with Processor Exceptions (8000 000X)

For 3 grand I expect a little better ya know?

Adam Benjamin
Benjamin@zds-oem.zds.com    or  A.Benjamin@mi04.zds.com

Thanks!  PLEASE REPLY if you own a 4000.  This is kind-of an informal
survey.
From: pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu (Pete Ruttman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: I was told that High Density drives will be available in Dec.
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:13:57 GMT
Reply-To: pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu (Pete Ruttman)
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

Is there any truth in the fact that Commodore will be releasing High
Density drives for 2000s and 3000s?  I saw an ad in Amiga World and
called the company selling them.  They said they wouldn't be available
until December.


Pete
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From: markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: Re: NFS/FTP for Amiga?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:10:24 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.193844.27167@msdrl.com> andrews@msdrl.com (Richard Andrews) writes:
> I have seen a TCP/IP product mentioned on this group for Amigas.  Before I
> call a local rep (who would know little about anything if history s any
> guide), can anyone fill me in to some of the options available for the Amiga:
>
> 1. How is the ethernet card available from C= in relation to ASDGs?

 I dunno. Guess mail order.

>
> 2. How much memory does TCP/IP software take on the Amiga?  Does it conflict
> with anything?

 How much ? Depends on what you want. The inetd (Daemon sniffing if there is
 any software wanting a connection) does not consume much. All the rest is
 beeing started from the inetd, such as ftp-server-software (ftpd).
 If they aren't used, the will be removed from RAM.

>
> 3. Can I use NFS to mount drives from a NFS server?  Can I make the Amiga a
> NFS server?

 Yes, you can use any exported partition or drive from a remote server.
 No, there is no nfsd (server) for the Amiga yet. Only client.

>
> 4. Can I use FTP to and from the Amiga?  If I had two amigas w/ TCP/IP, can I
> FTP and/or NFS (with no other machines on the network)?

 No problem, ftp runs like hell.
 If there was an NFSD, you could use NFS from both Amigas. As there isn't
 (as yet, where is the new AS225 ?!? :) ...

 The AS225 is a full featured TCP/IP Software, nothing is missing.
 A normal TCP/IP Package for a PeeCee has no NFSD, too (would be useless i fear :)

>
> Much thanks in advance!

 My pleasure.

> 
> -Rich
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From: cikp14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 4000 problems! PLEASE READ
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:42:25 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

I have had my 4000 for two weeks now without any serious problems except that
my mouse port has a faulty connection and reuires the mouse to be jiggled about
occaionally to get it to work. I know it is the port because I've tried other
mice.

Apart from that everything is fine apart from the lack of support for non
15khz, 24khz monitors. I would like to be able to see 800x600 and the startup
screens especially as I spent a flipping forutune on my NEC monitor earlier
this year.....!

Simon.
From: sl1zm@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 and LD vs HD
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:37:14 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Nov17.182805.10553@hubcap.clemson.edu>, charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
> 
>>Quoth sl1zm@cc.usu.edu:
>>]> > 
>>]> > 	"Are you here to buy a computer or a disk drive?"
>>]> > 
>>]> > So on and so forth...
>>]> 
>>]> Sorry, it's a little different in real life.
> 
>>Sorry, but been there, done that.  I spent quite some time in the trenches
>>locally.  Decided RIGHT AWAY that there was no real need to try to sell
>>someone something they didn't want.  It leads to more headaches than it's
>>worth.  The bottom line with me is that if they are more interested in
>>minute details like the floppy drive, it's a lost cause.  If you want to
>>sell the computer, SELL THE COMPUTER.
> 
> He's absolutely right, though.  If treated in an insulting manner, I'd go
> to the Better Business Bureau, the local + state Chambers Of Commerce, and
> call the companies for whom you were a dealer and tell them what I thought 
> of your services in no kind terms.
> 
> So, if the person asks if the computer comes with a high-density drive and 
> if not could it be fitted with one, the best course of action is *not* to
> insult him/her.  It could come back to haunt you later.

What seems to get the best response is to tell them that the high end Amiga's
do have HD drives and it was left out of the lower systems for $$ reasons.
I usually point out that the Amiga's have all had a 3.5" drive standard from
day one and you don't have to add a 5.25" drive like you would on IBM's if
you want to be sure to be compatible with everyone.
They seem to accept the combo of no 5" needed and HD available sometime in the
future.  Besides, if they are buying a hard drive system, they don't use the
floppy all the time anyway. 

It's also good to point out how much they need to spend on a sound board if
they want to maintain compatibility with *all* the IBM software.
Mention that Disney has it's own sound device as do some other companies, and
that they are different than the SoundBlaster.  Then tell 'em what a board that
is compatible with all of the above costs.  They start to get the picture
pretty quick.


James
From: tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Monitor Prices (was Re: AGA monitors.)
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:43:14 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

wwallace@ucrengr.ucr.edu (wayne wallace) writes:
>In article <XRuyTB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> chrisr@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Ringe) writes:
>>Not many choices exist...
>>One is the NEC 3FGx, if you can find one without convergence problems, or a
>>muddy screen.  I have a 4FG for my 486, and have deeply regretted it.  After 5
>>different monitors, I still have yet to get one that doesn't have problems.
>>So much for NEC quality control.

I am surprised to read that, I thought the new NEC has much better specs now,
the older ones have pin-cushion/pillowing, and not so bright screen. My
MAG MX14S has very good specs across, even for my picky taste.
>>
>>Another choice is the SONY 1403S monitor (my money goes here)
>Ok, the names are nice, but how about prices?
>Also, I got a catalog from Creative Computers, and they list the following
>monitors at the following prices:
>IDEK-
>dr-3114 $359.00
>mf-5017 $899.00
>(the rest are too expensive for me)
>Seiko 1440 multisync $519.00
>Sony 1302A $699.00
I know this one can use all the modes for any Amigas. And it's quite nice
except the one I had and returned had convergence and pin-cushioning problems.

>Sony 1304S multisync $625.00
>So:
>What are the capabilities of these models, and are they good bang for the
>buck?

Sony and Seiko uses Sony tubes, and it's my favorite. It's bright and nice
color, and cylindrical. Somewhat reflective from side, but not from top light,
Zenith FTM will be better if they have better quality control, since they
are absolute flat and actually concave inwards.
I don't know much about IDEK.

>Wayne
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From: Don_-_Hirschfeld@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Need Quantum P40S specs
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:23:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The Quantum Pro40s specs are:
	2 platters, 3 heads, 834 cylinders, 28 sectors/track.
		19 ms avg access time, 64k cache,
Hope this helps.
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From: DennyA@cup.portal.com (Denny Lee Atkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: IBM Develops PC Product in 14 weeks
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:16:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Marc, this discussion belongs in .advocacy, not .hardware.

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