HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:05:46 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

brance@outrider.Kodak.COM (Michael Branciforte) writes:
>Steve et al - 	fyi, Fantasy Island is back in business ... someone started 
>		putting money into a couple of years ago and has it back with
>		a vengeance.  Haven't been yet (have only been by and seen the
>		TV ads), but we intend to take the kids this coming season.

	I will only accept Fantasy Island again when they start doing 
advertising with the FUN WOW! ads....then and only then...

>p.s. for Steve - you could always move back ... I was gone from good old WNY
>                 for 11 years ('70 - `81) and I'm back and lovin' it
		... although I wish Mario would take the big hike.

>Mike Branciforte   

	I think I would move back in a minute...except there isn't much of 
a film industry in Buffalo...I'm in film school.....

	Steve
*******************************************************************************
	I seriously have come to the conclusion that the biggest 
	problem in America is the phone company.
					-Steve Knezevich
=================sTEVE kNEZEVICH==================knezevic@scf.usc.edu========
*******************************************************************************
From: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Some other pertinent additions:

*Gold Circle (supermarket) - My fiancee used to work there, she calls it
Chrome Circle. What happened to it? when did they go under?
From: brance@outrider.Kodak.COM (Michael Branciforte)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:03:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <C15wto.LJL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
|> Anyone ever hear of my hometown, Baldwinsville?  Its a small 
|> village about 30 minutes west of Syracuse.
|> 
|> - Peggy -
-- 

Peggy - a KISS for you:  Yup! I've heard of it.  :-)

Mike Branciforte   

Technical information management is the key to concurrent engineering,
time-based competitiveness, higher quality, and lower costs.

email brance@music.Kodak.com
From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Brian Khale vs. Jimmy Griffin near fist-fight on A.M. Buffalo
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <25JAN199304014284@romeo.caltech.edu>, reynard@romeo.caltech.edu (Reynard, Gregory J.) writes...
> 
>	Does anyone have a video tape of the A.M. Buffalo when Jimmy Griffin
>nearly got into a fist-fight with Brian Khale (sp.?)?	
>	I never got to actually see this but I can imagine it must have been
>one of the funniest moments in local T.V. history.  I'd be happy to send a 
>blank tape and pay for shipping or whatever if some kind soul would make a
>copy of this and send it to me.  Contact me by e-mail or post here.
>	Alternatively, if you don't have a tape, I'd be interested in hearing
>anybody's recollection of exactly what happened.

My fiancee's father saw it live, and I think he may have taped it, although I
doubt the tape still exists. I can ask him.

Funny you should ask about that, as Griffin's recent dustup with David 
Franczyk has prompted everybody to review the list of Griffin's fights, and
add to it.

Needless to say, that was Channel 7's lead story on the evening news last 
Thursday.


> 
>  *********************************************************************
>  *       GO BILLS!!!!         * "As kinder, genltler bombs explode   *
>  *       Greg Reynard         *    in a thousand-points-of-light"    *
>  *  reynard@romeo.caltech.edu *                 -- LARD              *
>  *********************************************************************

"Fine art and pizza delivery-                   Dan Case
 what we do falls neatly in between!"		V140PXGT@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
		-David Letterman		Prodigy: WDNS15D
	State University of New York at Buffalo
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Correct Super Bowl Prediction
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:46:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

+----------+
| Bills 67 |
| Dallas 3 |
+----------+
--
dante.nmsu.edu
rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------


   I hope your crystal ball is working.
From: mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Cost of living (was Re: future transplant)
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:00:20 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski) writes:
> Life is real? (dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
> [stuff deleted]
> : Lucky you're not coming here because it's cheaper...'cuz it ain't.  I won't
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> I'd have to disagree with the above statement.  Unless things have gotten
> drastically worse in the past 2 years, Eugene was much cheaper to live in
> than anywhere I lived in Connecticut.  I doubt that New York is much
> different from Connecticut.  

I did a fairly extensive job and community search last year.  For folks
with kids, who want to live in a 2000+ sf house and who'd like to do dollar
movies at least as much as, say, wind-surfing, Oregon is among the least 
expensive areas to live in the US (I know, I know, I'm _supposed_ to say
that Oregon's an expensive soggy place to live...).  Utah and Idaho are 
slightly less expensive overall (Provo and SLC in particular are less 
expensive and in many ways meet or exceed Oregon's standard of living), 
and areas like Wisconsin, North Carolina, Colorado, and Georgia are about
the same ore not that much more expensive.  Some parts of Texas in at 
least some ways are less expensive than Oregon, but it's, well, Texas. :-)
Most of the East Coast is _much_ more expensive than Oregon, particularly
in the large metro areas of New York, Boston, Baltimore, and DC.

At any rate, if you're in Oregon, don't cry in your Henry's.  It's a lot
worse elsewhere.  (Oh, did I mention Toronto, the most expensive city in
North America?  That's where I went. :-| )

Mike Sellers
formerly of Sherwood, Oregon

--
              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
           mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
              "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
                         Furare tantum ab Optimis
From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Average Rainfall
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:30:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
X-News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1j7rdhINN3et@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, stansbury-travis@yale.edu
(Travis Stansbury) said:
[deleted comments about extremes in New England]
 I have to agree with every point you made there. Another annoying
aspect of the rain here (I'm in Providence, just up the interstate from
Yale) is that it just happens so fast. There just aren't any good, big
mountain ranges to halt those storms. The storms just put it into high
gear and sweep by (except for the odd NorEaster). As Tamara@toronto
mentioned in another article, i really miss the long drawn out drizzling
days or even a good steady rain. Often I'm the only person around who
actually is in a good mood when we get the rare quality rain storm.
 I could go on about all the things I miss from Oregon (and the west
coast in general) but it would probably choke some mailers.

--m "who grew up in the city of the sheep barns, Corvallis" v
Marshall Vale          |  mjv@brownvm.brown.edu   |  Honda-L Moderator
Language Lab, Brown U. |  mjv@brownvm.bitnet      |  Honda/Acura Discussions
From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: future transplant
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:11:28 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Life is real? (dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
[stuff deleted]
: Lucky you're not coming here because it's cheaper...'cuz it ain't.  I won't
[stuff deleted]

I'd have to disagree with the above statement.  Unless things have gotten
drastically worse in the past 2 years, Eugene was much cheaper to live in
than anywhere I lived in Connecticut.  I doubt that New York is much
different from Connecticut.  

Cost of living wasn't the reason we chose Oregon, but it was a very nice
side benefit.  We did know that it would be cheaper--at that point any
state was, as CT had the highest cost of living in the USA.

Michigan seems prety comprable to OR in cost, but oh what you lose
otherwise!

Karen
From: riley@hotmetal.EBay.Sun.COM (Riley Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Oregon Less Expensive
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:51:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: riley@hotmetal.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hotmetal.ebay.sun.com


Oregon is certainly less expensive then the Bay Area.  Housing, gasoline 
(self serve at that!), and dining are much higher than when I lived in Oregon
or when I visit Oregon.  

Miss the prices, but not the rain!

Riley Hughes




In article 1jmlgeINNqic@nigel.msen.com, dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski) writes:
>Life is real? (dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
>[stuff deleted]
>: Lucky you're not coming here because it's cheaper...'cuz it ain't.  I won't
>[stuff deleted]
>
>I'd have to disagree with the above statement.  Unless things have gotten
>drastically worse in the past 2 years, Eugene was much cheaper to live in
>than anywhere I lived in Connecticut.  I doubt that New York is much
>different from Connecticut.  
>
>Cost of living wasn't the reason we chose Oregon, but it was a very nice
>side benefit.  We did know that it would be cheaper--at that point any
>state was, as CT had the highest cost of living in the USA.
>
>Michigan seems prety comprable to OR in cost, but oh what you lose
>otherwise!
>
>Karen
>






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From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism,comp.misc,news.misc
Subject: Re: Internet Connection to Congress
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:38:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu

From article <C192Ls.KI@news.udel.edu>, by bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams):
> 
> Yes, the really interesting thing to do would be to have all government
> documents online at the beck and call of your personal computer.  Wow, that
> would help people be able to back up what they are saying much more
> conveniently.  (I'd like to hear this "story" if it's not TOO depressing)

Actually, the National Science Foundation has 100's of documents available
online.  You can reach there on the internet Gopher system and probably by
telnet as well.


     Gregory R. Cook         |  INTERNET:    gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu
 Department of Chemistry     |               cookgreg@student.msu.edu
Michigan State University    |  BITNET:      cook@msucem.BITNET
 East Lansing, MI  48824     |  COMPUSERVE:  74170,3010
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From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism,comp.misc,news.misc
Subject: Re: Internet Connection to Congress
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:34:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu

From article <1993Jan22.110821.6683@walter.cray.com>, by huot@cray.com (Tom Huot):
> Greg Cook|xxxxxx (gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU) wrote:
> 
> : Actually, the National Science Foundation has 100's of documents available
> : online.  You can reach there on the internet Gopher system and probably by
> : telnet as well.
> 
> How does one go about telnetting or ftp'ing to this gopher system?
> --
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Tom Huot        			       
> huot@cray.com 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm not sure how to connect to Gopher in general.  It is available from our
local Michnet network.  I'll see if I can find the IP address so you can
telnet.

     Gregory R. Cook         |  INTERNET:    gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu
 Department of Chemistry     |               cookgreg@student.msu.edu
Michigan State University    |  BITNET:      cook@msucem.BITNET
 East Lansing, MI  48824     |  COMPUSERVE:  74170,3010
From: news@wolves.Durham.NC.US (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,alt.folklore.computers,alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Re: Input Need for Talk on "Usenet News:The Poor Man's Arpanet"
Keywords: usenet arpanet
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:43:12 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX

In article <ronda.727667230@ais.org> ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
>
>What I wanted to do is to give some background of the ARPANET
>and then show how Usenet was developed as a Poor Man's ARPANET.

	Putting the cart before the horse?   The comparison of
Usenet/NetNews as a poor man's ARPAnet came well after the initial
growth spurt of the Usenet network began.   The comparison did not
become obvious until after the Usenet started spreading to more than 30
or 40 sites.

	The original concept was more one of a "groupware" arrangement
to allow folks with similar concerns to converse despite physical and
temporal differences.

	The UUCP mail network (just as ad hoc as Usenet, and NOT
synonymous with Usenet) did have early conparisons with ARPAnet since
e-mail was one of the main early services of the ARPAnet.

	The specification for the B-News version took form from the
combination of ARPAnet mailing lists and the hierarchical namespace that
A-News provided.  The decision to use E-Mail format headers was intended
to allow easy gatewaying of items from NetNews into Mailing Lists and
vice versa, and to encourage the development of an easy and simple
NetNews Transfer Protocol (now called NNTP) based on the SMTP protocol
model.   Needless to say, this sort of development did NOT happen
directly.  The Internet didn't pay as much attention to NetNews as some
thought they might, and NNTP was developed well after the introduction
of NetNews to the Internet/ARPAnet community.

	The superior performance of NetNews over large Mailing lists was
not really noticed early on, and to this day there are folks who are not
fully convinced of the superiority of NetNews over Mailing lists.  There
are, in fact, some situations where Mailing Lists are superior to
NetNews, but they are limited to specific situations and (generally)
small numbers of folks involved.

	Once the nature of course that Usenet was developing became
clear, the analogy to ARPAnet was obvious.  However, it is definitely
not correct to imply that Usenet was intended as any sort of competition
to ARPAnet from its inception.

	The folks who developed NetNews certainly had a great deal of
vision and inspiration, but I don't think that any of the real early
folks involved had quite so grand a vision as that.  The early evolution 
had a totally different "feel" to it.
-- 
Usenet Net News Administrator @ The Wolves Den  (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
news@wolves.durham.nc.us  news%wolves@cs.duke.edu  ...duke!wolves!news
"The flame war is a specific Usenet art form." --me
[This site is not affiliated with Duke University. (Idiots!) ]
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism,comp.misc,news.misc
Subject: Re: Internet Connection to Congress
Date: 23 Jan 1993 09:51:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


You can telnet to the MSU gopher at gopher.msu.edu. Log on as
gopher. 

-Steve
(Connected to my posting site via MSU gopher at this very moment)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,alt.folklore.computers,alt.culture.usenet
From: wrc@po.CWRU.Edu (Wesley R. Cherry Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: cccf
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:31:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I'm not sure which board to post this on but i'll try here
first

I'm looking for any information on the Chaos Computer Club-
France (CCCF) the general secretary is a man called 
Jean Bernard Condat.

any and all info will be gladly accepted at email address

	eugene.f.lytle@cyber.widner.edu

thanx
-- 
"The limits of the language are 
the limits of the world."   Wittgenstein
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From: shauna@rothko.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Shauna Farr-Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.edu,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Email sent to Congress - then stopped (Was Re: Internet Access...)
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:18:03 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik) writes:

>In article <1k2cb4INNhgf@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
>>ronda@ais.org responding:
>>
>>I do agree that we should have email access to Congress,
>>but I don't agree that Congress is denying us this access
>>because of some computer illiteracy on their part.
>>
>>Rather, they are constituent illiterate - i.e. they have
>>no respect for the experiences and wishes of their
>>constituents - they have taken their offices as license
>>for privilege and for serving those who pay them well in
>>exchange.
>>

>  No amount of e-mail access is going to change that.  The only way
>you're going to get their attention is by working for their political
>defeat in the next election.

>Dan

what makes you think that the people who replace them aregoing
to be any different????
From: urkastig@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert Kastigar)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: Internet Connection to Congress
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:29:00 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

Maybe in our search or attempt to get our elected representatives to use
electronic mail, we should gradually bring them into the 1990's.

Suggest to your congressman or representative something like this:

Let them start up a mailing list - TO their constituents!  Everytime
they have something important to say (and of course, every congressman
thinks that whatever they have to say is important :)) they can generate
an automatic mailing!  

As Ronda says, maybe they don't want to hear from you, but tell them
instead this is a way we can hear from them!  

Maybe, at first, it's only one-way communications, but at least it may
start the communications process.
From: ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Net.Memory
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:50:17 GMT
Organization: UMCC
NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.ais.org
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Following is an excerpt from the original invitation to
join Usenet.
(I think it is from the June 1980 distribution of A-News)

==========================================================






       Stephen Daniel, James Ellis, and Tom Truscott

                      Duke University





     A group of UNIX systems  at  Duke  University  and  the
University  of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, have established
a uucp-based computer communication network.   Admission  to
the net is open to all UNIX licensees.  In addition to pro-
viding the "uu" services available in the Seventh Edition of
UNIX  (remote  mail,  file transfer, job execution), it pro-
vides a network news service.   A  prospective  system  must
have  a  call-in  facility, call-out facility, or some other
means of communication with another UNIX  net  system.   The
system  must  have,  or be able to legitimately obtain, uucp
and related software.

     Systems which do not call-out to the net must be polled
occasionally.  We will poll any system that so requests, and
will bill the polled system for phone  costs.   Phone  costs
are  typically  $10-$20/month.  There are no connection fees
or other charges for using the  network.   Requests  for  an
application should be sent to

        James Ellis
        Department of Computer Science
        Duke University
        Durham, NC   27706
        Telephone: (919) 684-3048



     A goal of USENET has been to give every UNIX system the
opportunity  to  join and benefit from a computer network (a
poor man's ARPANET, if you will).  New systems will probably
find  that the rapid access newsletter is the initially most
significant service.  Via news (available  on  the  Delaware
conference  distribution  tape),  any  system  can submit an
article which will in due  course  propagate  to  all  other
interested   systems.   Most  articles  concern  bug  fixes,
requests for help, and general information.
_________________________
|- UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories.
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From: marks@halcyon.com (Peter Marks)
Subject: Re: Libertarian Social Darwinism
Reply-To: marks@halcyon.com
Organization: NCR Seattle Technology Center
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:56:52 GMT

jfh@yacht.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:

>Okay, here we go again.
>
> [repetition of the old flame deleted: how Capitalism and The Market are the
>  optimal way, and the rich are doing everone else a favor]
>
>It's high time you figured this out.

Okay, here we go again.

The Market is certainly an elegant and simple abstract model which seems to
do a good job of explaining (in the way that models do this) some
aspects of the world's behavior.

What all the apologists (unwitting or otherwise) for the seemingly
insatiable greed of the rich (and others) seem to forget is that any such
model is a slave to its logical assumptions.  

The classical examples in the case of the Market Model are the positing of
equal/perfect consumer knowledge, and ease of supplier entry.  The trouble
is that these axioms fail to hold precisely to the extent that the means of
the players are different.  And this is the case, no matter whether the
initial difference was due to skill, drive, luck, physical intimidation, or
inheritence.

Even if there were some sense in which the Market model was the best among
all simplistic models of human endeavor, they are ALL poor ways to live.
Fortunately we are NOT restricted to living so.

It's high time you figured this out.

P-)
-- 
     +----- Peter Marks, NCR Seattle Technology Center -----+
     | 15307 NE 202nd Street, Woodinville, Washington 98072 |
     |       voice:(206)489-0501    fax:(206)489-0601       |
     +------------------ marks@halcyon.com -----------------+
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.edu,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: Re: Email sent to Congress - then stopped (Was Re: Internet Access...)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:31:20 GMT

In article <1k2cb4INNhgf@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
>ronda@ais.org responding:
>
>I do agree that we should have email access to Congress,
>but I don't agree that Congress is denying us this access
>because of some computer illiteracy on their part.
>
>Rather, they are constituent illiterate - i.e. they have
>no respect for the experiences and wishes of their
>constituents - they have taken their offices as license
>for privilege and for serving those who pay them well in
>exchange.
>

  No amount of e-mail access is going to change that.  The only way
you're going to get their attention is by working for their political
defeat in the next election.

Dan
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism,comp.misc,news.misc