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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:15:22 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

Well, I e-mailed my 2 cents, but since people are talking, I'll tell you
my pet peeve.  I was legally named "Judy Leedom".  Not Judith.  No middle
name.  And Judy being a common name I had the double curse of an unusual
legal name and a common name (4 Judy's in my first grade class).

The problem for me was that it always set me off on the wrong foot at school.
You know how you have to fill in those cards with your full legal name.  I
would write Judy Leedom and then get called on the carpet in front of the
rest of the class for "not following directions".  Even when I explained, 
some teachers still had me labelled as the girl who couldn't follow directions.

In college (after getting ALL my college applications back asking for my
full legal name) I finally learned to write "Judy (none) Leedom".  

Now, some other comments:

In article <19920910174855SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
>I absolutely agree!  And kids really will tease about things you
>won't think of ahead of time, anyway.  

Absolutely true.  I will always remember poor Judy Kelly whose name throughout
gradeschool was Kudy Jelly.  

> 
>My husband, Ferrell (his mother's maiden name), has the same challenge
>of pronunciation and spelling.  We usually leave the name "Chuck"
>at restaurants.  Besides, no one ever spells Shaffer "right". :)
> 
I confess to this now.  My husband gets really angry with me because I make
reservations under the name of Tyler.  I just get so sick of spelling TyRer.
And I'm really jealous of all of you who changed your names.  I HATE THE NAME
JUDY!!!!  I've always wanted to be "Leigh".  What do you think?  Is 40 too late
to change your name?  And is Leigh Tyrer a decent name?  And will it confuse
my poor son who now refers to me as "Mommy Judy Tyrer"?
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cute things they say (3 yr old)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 08:45:25 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:

> Kids will do anything to delay bedtime, won't they? Last night
> it was lights out time, and my son looks up at me from bed and
> says, 'mommy, you can't turn out the lights because I'll be
> scared in the dark'. Note, this was a delaying tactic, because
> he gave me that little smile of his after saying it. 8-)
>
>                                       Patti Twigg

Last night our 9YO daughter came into our room with her 2YO brother in
tow.
"I wanted to get a drink and he won't stay in bed if I don't."
Which is true. He still hasn't gotten used to staying in bed if no one
watches over him. I think when the bars from the crib were taken down, not
only did they no longer keep him in, but it seems that it doesn't keep the
monsters out.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: jpr1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James P. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Compiling Abuse/Molestation/Abduction FAQ
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:35:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi folks

I am compliling for the misc.kids file index a file on raising street smart
kids.  I would like to have the usual advice on protecting your children from
abduction, molestation, and other abuse.

I remember in particular one file which was fairly long ... maybe 100 lines ...
that had a good deal of advice in it.  Whoever it was that posted it please
send it to me.

I am also getting transcripts of "Street Smarts" and "Little Secrets" from
NPR;  I can make these available as well.

Comments?  Suggestions?  Advice I can put in?  Criticism of this effort?
Please send all of this and any bright ideas you've got to me by email.

Jim Reynolds


-- 
James P. Reynolds       (that's Jim to you and me.)      jpr1@lehigh.edu
   Lehigh University Materials Science Rules             jreynolds@igc.org
From: gkl@tse.uucp (Geoff Loker x656)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent ....
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:30:02 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In article <92247.151717CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.131333.19807@schbbs.mot.com>, EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary
>Beth Northrup) says:
>>
>>You know you're a parent when:
>>- you're "doing lunch" with a business colleague (also a new parent)
>>and you find yourselves comparing notes on the proper words and gestures
>>to "eensy weensy spider".
>
>I thought it was the "itsy bitsy spider".

I've heard it as "teensy weensy spider", "inky dinky spider", "itsy bitsy
spider", and "eensy weensy spider".  Any other variants out there?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bradbury@intellistor.com (Constance A. Bradbury)
Subject: WANTED: opinions on Education
Organization: Intellistor, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:11:35 GMT

I am doing a survey for a book I am writing
on public and private schools (all replies 
will be confidential).

Please send to me (bradbury@intellistor.com)
your thoughts and opinions regarding: 

What is important to you when choosing (kindergarten
to high school) a school (public or private) for
your child or children.

Your time and attention are appreciated.

Connie Bradbury
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: early pregnancy & cramping?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:46:07 GMT

In article <Bu0HxA.At9@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>This is my first time and I'm 6-8 weeks.  Every day or two I feel 
>a bit of mild cramping, like menstrual cramps.  No bleeding or
>discharge, but it makes me nervous.  Anyone else experience this?
>
>- Peggy -

Ah yes, your worries are only beginning........

I had mild cramping and low back pain for the first couple of months.  The
Doctor told me it was the womb expanding (creating womb to grow as it were).
Apparently the Braxton-Hicks contractions that can usually be felt late
in pregnancy are also experienced throughout the pregnancy but most women
can't feel them......it's sort of like exercising for the big event.
Don't worry.  Obviously don't worry changes if the cramping is accompanied
by bleeding or discharge or fever or pain.

Congratulations and Enjoy!!!  What a wonderful time in your life!

Barbara
From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: names
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:55:13 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	Well, just to present an opposing viewpoint :-), my name is
Lisa and I always wished my parents had given me a "real" name so I
could pick nicknames to suit my moods and age.  There's just not much
you can do with Lisa, although many of my friends call me Lee.  
	Well, that's probably why we named our daughter Elizabeth.  We
had planned to call her Beth, but I read about an Elizabeth on the net
who is called Libby and that just "felt" right to me.  I went home and
suggested it to Jerry but he said he liked Beth better.  Of course, as
soon as she was born he started calling her Libby so I guess I was
right!  I think I the message from Libby while she was still in utero.
That's where I got her middle name (Rachel) as well.  It's a good
thing she wasn't a boy, we didn't really have a boys name finalized.
Hmm, maybe I had a feeling....:-)
	Anyway, I figure Libby can be lots of things as she gets
older.  The funny thing is that many people think we named her after
me (actually she's named after Jerry's grandmother) and that my name
is actually Elizabeth.  I was surprsed at the number of people who
knew that Lisa was a nickname for Elizabeth.  (I didn't know myself
until I was in my teens and looked Lisa up in a baby name book.)  But
I did know that Peggy was a nickname for Margaret :-).
	While no one ever made fun of my first name, people often made
fun of my last name which is prnounced shirlian.  I have very curly
hair so I've been called curlyan, curly chirlian, and just plain
shirley (as in "surely you must be joking"  "stop calling me
shirley"). 
	(just plain) Lisa
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 (215) 527-9361
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:32:22 GMT
Keywords: Boys Girls

In article <g7ooqB8w164w@glnserv.UUCP>, kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
> > Sorry, Keith, this is admirable but with thinking like this, what you're
> > sure to get is a little girl who wants _dresses_ and _Barbies_.
> > (Take it from someone who's been there--my mother dispaired with me
> > because I was such a tomboy; my daughter is the child my mother
> > always wanted).
> >
> > Sue
> 
> This is not always guaranteed. My daughter and I are both tomboys, who
> enjoy dressing up occasionally.
> 
> 
  I wanted a girl and got one, and it's great.  She's six and just
  like me.  We ride horses together, she plays and watches basketball 
  with her father, she exchanged all the Barbies she got for her
  birthday, and got upset when McDonald's gave her the Barbie
  happy meal instead of the toy car happy meal.

  She can play equally well with boys or girls.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:36:26 GMT

In article <BuBoEK.4rI@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>My opinion is to give the child an unusual name if you want, but 
>pick one that is distinctive (not easily confused with a common 
>name) and is pronounced the way its spelled.
>
>Don't give the child a name that will be a burden.
>
>- Peggy -

For the first six or eight years I was in school, my name was *always*
mispronounced by teachers the first time they saw it.  Never bothered
me.  I just corrected them and went on -- it really was ok with me.

Kinda liked it, I think.

Another person on this group mentioned once that she had the same problem.
Probably had it worse than I did, as even *I* would have mispronounced
her name.  (My name is Sean, hers Seanna...)  She didn't seem to feel it
that bad an experience, though I could be wrong.

No, the people I've met with unusual name usually seem to like them.. it's
those with more common names that don't.  In my experience, of course.

I just don't think unusual names are that big of a deal.  (If our first
child is a boy, his first name will either be Ian or Iain -- both pronounced
the same way.  And we're leaning toward the latter.)

Sean.

---
Sean L. Gilley
sean.l.gilley@att.com sgilley@cbnewsl[.cb].att.com, slg2@cblph[.cb].att.com
614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:26:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1992Sep11.133901.2035@cbfsb.cb.att.com> van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
>
>On my last Continental flight, I was told that I could
>not put my under 2 daughter into a car seat - she was a "lap child", and I 
>*had* to hold her.  (This was the first week of September.)
>

In other words, you wanted to use a seat you didn't pay for to put your
daughter in her car seat for the flight.  Are you really surprised that 
they wouldn't let you?  If you wish to put your child in a carseat on the
plane, you have to pay for the seat.  If you wish to have an under 2 fly
free, you have to hold her on your lap.

Seems reasonable to me.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:40:38 GMT
	<1992Sep9.181253.22366@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<TIGGER.92Sep10014537@satyr.Sylvan.COM>
	<1992Sep10.114938.17576@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Sep10.114938.17576@linus.mitre.org> m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters) writes:

   It must be the Italian blood -- they all want little
   Guiseppie's or Remmiggio's or Pasquale's.  It may have gone with
   Melchiori or Guglielmo, but none of them go with such a white-bread
   name as WALTERS.  <sigh>  We will probably do what we did last time --
   wait till the birth and see what the baby "looks" like then decide!

We waited until after the birth to name our kids. Katherine had a name
the first day, though. Robin, well, he was such a quiet little guy
(alert, but very very calm) it took us days to find a name. I called
him 'Buddy' for those first days, and I still use it as a nickname.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: kid that wants to sleep in bed w/parents
Keywords: bed, sleep trouble
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:17:45 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Hello again, everyone! Once again, I am asking for advice from
"real people". 
My 14.5 month old was crying in the night, and my wife was giving her
a bottle. I asked about this on the net and received a lot of good
advice, such as "it could lead to the child solving problems by
overeating", etc. Well, we managed to substitute another bad habit
for the bottle: she wants to sleep in our bed, whether we are in it
with her or not.

The other night she was stirring and starting to cry, so I carried her
around for a while and she went off to sleep. As soon as I began
to lay her in the crib, she clung to me with her legs and started
getting agitated. How she even knew where the heck she was, I'll never
know! I gave up and brought her into our bed, and she went to sleep.
(Hmmmm....maybe I should bring one of our "pheromonic" blankets to her
crib). Well anyway, everyone says that I should just leave her in her
crib and not pay attention to the crying. My wife wants to let her
cry for ten minutes and gradually work it up to 20 minutes or so or
until the baby just goes to sleep.

Somehow, I am not comfortable with that idea either, just letting her
cry her eyes out. It doesn't seem right. My wife doesn't think so,
either. I asked the lady at work (she's from the West Indies) and
she says she just lets her kid(s) sleep in the same room. What's wrong
with that? Different cultures have different ways of doing things,
right? I asked an RN why after zillions of years that kids need their
own rooms (and $50 dollar shoes, for that matter), and did not receive
a favorable answer. She said the cave dads probably threw the kid
out of the cave.

Any hints? Maybe a nice thin book dedicated to the subject? Thanks!


Nick
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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:45:37 GMT
	<1992Sep9.181253.22366@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

we almost named our little son "Christopher Robin" but we did refrain.
But "Robin (of the woods) Sylvan" might not be any better :-)

I got flack from my mom for both my kid's names. She didn't like the
way we spelled Katherine, she didn't like the fact that we used our
midwife's name for her middle name, she didn't like the fact that
Robin got a "girl's" name, she didn't like Gregory, either.

Robin was actually named Gregory first, because he is so watchful. As
a newborn, he would open his eyes and look around, then decide if he
was going to cry or not. But after we named him, I called him
everything but Gregory during the following hours. So we chose again.
Maybe I'll still have a Christopher Robin someday....
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Summary: there's caffeine and then there's caffeine 
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:05:39 GMT

In article <oefV23C0hXuaEsgHwG@andrew.cmu.edu> sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
>Hi.  Congrats.  My doc says 3 servings of caffiene a day, that include
>coffee, tea, pop, and CHOCOLATE.  Are you sure you're really "off"
>caffeine?
>You should ask you doc and see what she says, but generally, they say 3
>servings.

Servings of coffee, tea, pop, and chocolate are NOT interchangable as
far as caffeine content goes!  I forget the exact numbers, but I once
saw a comparison for that list and coffee is way, way ahead in caffeine
content.  Relative to a standard serving of coffee (which may actually
be 5 whole oz--fess up, how many of us have 5 oz mugs?), 
the caffeine content of a cup of tea is something like
1/3 and for chocolate it's even lower.  I don't remember the numbers
for soda. 

I think that most evidence points towards very minimal risk from low
levels of caffeine.  I did find, though, that I had to give the stuff
up completely while I was nursing--even one cup of coffee in the morning
would leave me with a baby that was exhausted but wired and unable to
sleep in the early evenings.  I like coffee as much as the next
person but it wasn't worth _that_.

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Thomas the Tank Engine, again
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:52:00 GMT

Hi all! I just wanted to let those of you who have Thomas fanatics
in the house that in the Childcraft catalog I received today, there
are 6 pages of Thomas stuff. It is rather expensive, but those of you
with rich grandmas might want to look into it. It is the Halloween
Special 1992 edition (yes, there is a Thomas costume), and the toll
free number is 1-800-631-5657. No, I do not work for them, nor have
I ordered anything from them, but they do have neat stuff in their
catalog! (If you do order anything, let me know if you like it!)

                                    Patti Twigg
                                    STPAT@lepvax.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Miscarriage at 6.5 weeks
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:35:14 GMT
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

My condolences on your loss.  A miscarriage can be tough to get over;
take some time to grieve over it.

First thing to do is *find a new doctor*.  Remember, they're working
for you; if they're not treating you right, fire them and hire a new
one.  If this is not your first miscarriage, try to find one who
specializes in high-risk pregnancies.

We've always been advised to wait until after your next period (which
will probably take the usual month or so to arrive) to try again, but
your mileage may vary.

Good luck!
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Condoms... was Impact of the absent father
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:08:54 GMT

In article <aidler.716357552@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>They promote the use of condoms and call it "safe sex."
>Some call it "safer sex."
>I call it "one great lie."
>
>There are only two forms of sexual relations: 
>moral sex and immoral sex.
>Moral sex is characterised by chastity before marriage and
>fidelity during marriage.
>

While this is all well and good, it still does not prevent the spread of
AIDS.  

Therefore, there are now four forms of sexual relations.  Moral unsafe sex,
moral safer sex, immoral unsafe sex, and immoral safer sex.

Teaching children that just because they obey the rules they are exempt from
disease is a lie.  Sex is not the only way to contract AIDS. 



-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Girls? (corrected!
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:30:52 GMT

In article <92249.113247IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>i don't get along with and still find quite unfathomable the
>traditional girly sort of girl or woman, and hate all the
>subtle head games and other stuff.  but i never wanted anything
>other than a girl.  your daughter doesn't HAVE to be some
>fluttery little darling, you know!  mine sure isn't!
>
>                                           -ailsa

You are lucky, then to have a daughter with a personality
you prefer.  But, I suspect basic personality is really
something you don't have much control over.  You take the
child you get.
Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher)
Subject: Birth Announcement
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:49:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Announcing (a little late!) the birth of our daughter:

	Shannon Kathleen Maher
	7 lb. 9 oz., 21 inches long
	Born July 21, 1992

Baby, mom, dad, and big brothers Brendan (7) and Casey (4) are all doing
great!

Shannon was born by C-section one day before the section was scheduled (I
went into labor--the first time I've done that, since they've all been
scheduled C-sections).  Everything went smoothly, and now she's doing
very well, gaining weight, and smiling a lot.

It's great to have an infant again!  I had forgotten how wonderful it is
to have a cute little bundle in my arms.