HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?)
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.042212.2077@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Why bother adapting 'chang' or 'TaRyeung' into that horrible rap?  Why not
>just evolve it by itself?  Gosh, I hate rap.  It is not music because there
>is no pitch in it.  It is just beat, deprived of melody and harmony.  For
>the same reason, I hated disco because it was just rhythm, without any
>harmony.

	Just one question, James.  If rap is not music because there
is only beat, are drums, cymbals, triangles and other percussion instruments
not musical instruments?  Corollary #1:  Drummers, like Alex Van Halen
and Phil Collins not musicians?  Corollary #2:  Drum solos and Korean
drum dancing are not music?

>
>Just exercising my right to hate a certain kind of "music" (for lack of
>better term).
>
Brian "Cool DJ Def Jam" Chung
>


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Rap music and ice-T (was orange-jok)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:40:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <628@blue.cis.pitt.edu> hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
>Ice-T's lyrics would have been offensive if they were sang to any 
>music.  ...

True.  But trivial as it might be, the fact is that it *was* ice-T who 
did the rap, it *was* rap the vehicle of such an 'artistic' expression.
The rest is strictly individual choice.  I have spoken.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:10:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.212305.11748@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min) writes:
[...]
>      Government regulate cultural import.  Especially, Japanese culture
>      are regulated very much. I can guess two reasons: dislikeness and
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>      recovery of Korean culture.  

I think it is more of "liking" than "disliking."  If people disliked
Japanese cultural products, there is no reason to ban it.  Japanese culture
is so similar to Korean (vice versa) that it is readily accepted by Korean
market.

> This regulation will remove a lot of
> Japanese influences such as language. 

On the surface maybe.  But deep inside, Korean will get filtered, watered
down imitation instead of the real thing.  As long as the barrier is up,
Koreans will rust their creativity and concentrate on imitation.  Of
course, this is nothing new.  We all grew up watching over-dubbed Japanese
cartoons on TV and in magazines.

>Sometimes I saw very different views in this news group. It could be cutural
>or educational background differences.  I hope everybody go extra miles to 
>understand others view points which is very strange to you. 

Indeed.  Let's not shoot each other.  That's all I ask. :)

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: How do you read Hangul on PC-msdos? (HELP!)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 15:25:32 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <Dec.11.19.33.22.1992.18925@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>
>I have a IBM PS/2 at work connected to Novell Netware running TCP/IP. I use
>CUTCP telnet to connect to Internet. Can I still use iyagi to view
>hangul? Or do I need some other emulation software? 

	I don't think IYAGI supports TCP/IP.

	I'm pretty novice on PC; but I think the best way for your case
	might be getting HANGUL WINDOWS 3.01 (don't trust me too much
	on this, this is just an opinion and please do research on this
	beforehand, since you have to pary some money for this).

	Also, I'm not quite sure how the telnet for PC works;
	in UNIX, it normally inherits the your terminal behaivor;
	but you have to make sure your telnet does not strip off
	MSB.

>One more similar question, I have IBM PC compatible at home running
>Linux, MS DOS and OS/2(I love it!). I use Kermit or some other
>software to get SLIP connection from school. Then CUTCP telnet to a
>host(I know I can run X to view hangul). But in telnet session, how
>can I view hangul?

	Does linux supports SLIP?  That's great!
	Then, you can propobably start off hanterm remotely and
	telnet from there.

	If not, just bring up hanterm locally and dial out, then
	telnet to KOREAN BBS inside the hanterm.

	Or you can alway use IYAGI from home to dial out to the site
	with internet, then bring up telnet session.

	I'm not Hangul expert; but I'm sure that telnet does not do
	much except passing the hangul code to your terminal; the only
	thing you have to worry about using telnet is that if it
	strips 8 bit data off to 7 bit.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Police Lt. accuses Govt of meddling in election
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:30:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec14.211224.6957@news.cs.indiana.edu>, jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.e
du (Suh Jung Yul) writes:
>
>S. Korean Police Lt. Accuses Govt Of Meddling In Politics
>
>
>  SEOUL -(AP-DJ)--Four days before presidential elections, a police lieutenant
>accused the government Monday of meddling in domestic politics by ordering the
>nation's 120,000-member police to crack down on the opposition's campaign.
>  The accusations by police Lt. Cho Sung-soon were a direct challenge to
>repeated government promises to remain neutral in the campaign for Friday's
>presidential voting.
###############################################################################


Now it is obvious that Roh and YS lied to Korean peoples.
I never trust whataever they say.  In a sense, it means that
they feel threatend to be defeated in the election.
They are so scared.  They don't have to be scared if they
have been doing right.   Let' see what is going on after the
election day, Dec. 18.


###############################################################################
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak)
Subject: Re: Behavior.
Reply-To: kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:34:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.041450.7551@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Recently I read an article on sexual behavior in 'Nature' journal.
>For who don't read this journal, here I post some funny statistics.
>Some French investigators surveyed sexual behavior of 20,055 people.
>Here are some data (of age 18 - 34).
>	Age at first intercourse :     17    (Gee, I should be ashamed!)
>	Multipartner (1 year)    :     21%   (     speechless          )
>	Homosexuality            :     3.3%
>	Intercourse with prostitutes : 4.3%
>For more information, read the article (Nature, Vol 360. 407 - 412).

i've always wondered what the statistics for koreans and korean/americans
were in this subject compared to americans.  
anybody know?

nancy kwak
kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: smahn                           
Subject: Any news about ELECTION?	
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:49:00 GMT

Hello, friends in Korea,
Can you guys be friendley enough to post ANY news about
the election?
I apprciate your posting in advance.
Thank you.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Subject: Live Coverage of Presidential Election
Organization: Microelectronics Lab - Univ. of Illinios
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:25:58 GMT


1   Kim Young-Sam                                : 0
     (Democratic Liverty Party)

2   Kim Dae-Joong                                : 1
     (Democratic Party)

3   Jung Joo-Hyoung                              : 0
     (Unified People's Party)

4   The others                                   : 0



Jong-Wook Seo
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: changes? no.. not by President.
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:41:18 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Dec20.203144.3303@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>
>	However, I don't think he (YS) should be able to change anything
>	dramatically by his will; and that's been the Political history
>	of Korea which should go away.
>
>	I just don't want to see things change left and right everyday
>	on the palm of President.
>-- 
>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
>	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
>	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com


oh no.
here comes again the origin of political cynicism.

I'm just asking what JJAMIN (YS) promised to do.
JJAMIN (sorry MINJJA) (YS) got elected promising many things.
so all people have a right to demand them to do what they promised
to be elected.

if they do, good we will vote for them if they promise good things again
if not, they lied us to just hold power, so we have to vote against them 
next time, right?

incredibly many korean say:
	"no matter who get power, nothing would change, they are all the same"
and they cast their votes without paying much attention 
to each party's policies.
and forget what they promised next day after election.

so politicians just say anything to get power again and again.
why should they care when they know people will forget next day after election.

and the same people say "politics is just dirty" 
come on, it was you who made politics dirty.

such a ridiculous cynicism , in our history, came from the sad fact that
	NO one has EVER taken a resposibility

if you forget or don't mind if they keep their promises or not,
you don't have any right to blame them.
It is you who spoils them. 

Sincerely
Seunghun Lee

*******************************************
	Seunghun Lee
	Dept of Physics
	Johns Hopkins Univ.
	Balto, MD21218
	
	email: shl@holger.pha.jhu.edu
*******************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Percussion and rap (was: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?))
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:04:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.155200.20481@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>I am not arguing here, but you should here the NY street musicians who
>plays drums with upside down buckets and stop signs as symbols.  They are
>downright awsome.

In fact, I was thinking of them as I was writing.  They are amazing indeed.
Even spell-binding.  Still, I would not call them musicians.  They are
percussionists, drummers.

>Yeah, Bonham!!! Long Live Zeppelin!!!

Yeah, LED ZEPPLIN!!!!  My hero!

>In some cases as in native African music, percussions *are* music, or at
>least the integral part of it.

Percussios are integral part of music.  I never argued that.  Imagine Led
Zeppelin without drums. :(

>  And these percussions *do* generate certain
>melodies (or different pitches).  

Timpany produces different pitches to the point that you tune it at the
beginning of a concert.  Marimba is considered a percussive instrument.
However, the percussion in question, namely the one used in rap, has none
of those enchanting quality we discussed above.  They are basically
generated by drumming machines.

>I am not a much of a rap fan, but I find
>it easier (or more fun) to dance with, say, than heavy metal.

Precisely.  We dance to the beat and rhythm.  Not to the melody or harmony.

>  Rap is an
>unusual form of music, but rock probably was too about 40 years ago.  

Your statement may be true in the sense of "outrageousness."  But rock, in
its own way, had all the components.  Melody, harmony, in addition to beat
and rhythm.  Harmony is usually (excluding Rush, Yes, Led Zep, etc) very
simple and its beat primitive.  But all the components were there.

>Who
>knows, rap might become a mainstream music in the future (very sobering
>thought...).  Like it or not, we can deny its existence.

Rap has an enormous appeal.
1.  You need not learn a thing to produce music.  All you have to know is
    how to talk in rhythm.
2.  Takes no discipline to learn any musical instrument.  You just have to
    ruin a few records by moving it back and forth.
3.  There is a sucker born every minute according to Mr. Barnum.  Amazingly
    (to my snobbist and arrogant point of view) there are people who like
    rap.
4.  Need not understand a thing about music (melody, harmony, key changes,
    theory, etc.) since rap uses none of these stuff.
5.  Most of us have a desire to express.  Rap allows people to express
    themselves in a pseudo-art-form.  It surely is much more artistic
    than screaming on the street about what we feel.
6.  It is made in the U.S.A.  It means automatic blind following from the
    other part of the world such as.... Korea.

Rap is equivallent to giving comic books to the elementary school students
who got sick and tired of classical literature.  It is well received.  And
it will stay with us for a long time as long as there continue to be a
sucker born every minute.
 
>Andy Kim

James Choi
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: HANTERM
Keywords: hanterm
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:06:09 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1gr01eINN3v1@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:
>>ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4.0 has older revision than expected 10
>>ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4.1 has older revision than expected 10
>>ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4.3 has older revision than expected 10
>>ld.so: Undefined symbol: ___XA_ATOM_PAIR
>>-- 
>   Jungshik Shin

	@8@8...

	That runtime link editor for share object seems to be confused
	by your definition of "LD_LIBRARY_PATH".

	And you seemed to have compiled the x client (HANTERM here)
	with those X runtime libraries installed somewhere-else than
	the /usr/openwin/lib/...

	Try this,
	setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH '/usr/local/X11/lib:/usr/openwin/lib'.

	However, you may meet another problem since openwin NeWS
	uses different scheme for font paths, ... etc.
	And most of them can be found from either manual or
	/usr/openwin/bin/openwin - which is a shell script that
	initializes var. for xnews.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
From: chanchoi@gandalf.rutgers.edu (S.chan Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: htelbin.zip corrupt?
Keywords: hangul on PC
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:39:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:

>In article <Dec.18.17.45.23.1992.21260@gandalf.rutgers.edu> chanchoi@gandalf.rutgers.edu (S.chan Choi) writes
>> ...  
>>I have ftped and downloaded htelnet: htelbin.zip from
>>cair.kaist.ac.kr.  But the problem is, using pkunzip (I think mine is
>>the latest version), the zip file failed to unpack.  Only two batch
>>files were unzipped, and the remaining exe and doc files got error
>>messages.
>>
>>Has someone successfully unpacked telbin, or is it that the file
>>is corrupt?

>  No!.  I had no problem unpacking htelbin.zip. I used 'pkunzip' from
>cair.kaist.ac.kr. Actually, I failed to unpack it with old version of
>PKUNIZIP. 
>>

Thank you for the info.  In fact, my pkunzip was (I thought) the latest
from wuarchive.wustl.edu mirrors/msdos/zip, and in fact, it may not
be the latest one.  I ftped unzip50.zip from the same directory,
unzipped using pkunzip (recursive, isn't it?), and unzipped htelbin.zip
with unzip50 -- it worked fine!

Sorry about the terminology: using pkunzip to unzip the zip file of 
unzip50 to unzip another zip file. ;-)

Now I need to try htelbin, and,... come back if there is any prob.

SC Choi
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:50:26 CST
From: <U32756@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: test

test, -----
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: How do you read Hangul on PC-msdos?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:33:30 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <Dec.11.20.29.24.1992.22034@gandalf.rutgers.edu> chanchoi@gandalf.rutgers.edu (S.chan Choi) writes:
>wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Woncheal Choi) writes:
>
>>I am sorry, I am asking a question. I haven't followed up the Hangle issues. 
>
>>How do you access to KIDS or other bbs in kaist?  Just telnet like
>>'telnet cair.kaist.ac.kr ' ?
>It's simple, although you need patients (a lot)!
>
>Use telnet to 147.6.11.151 (not sure about its name), and type KIDS as 
>user name.  
  I can't remember this IP #. Its address is easy to remember because
it's KIDS.kotel.co.kr. (Kotel for Korea Telecom, CO for Company domain, and
KR for Korean domain)
  Another BBS in Korea is ARA.kaist.ac.kr. (login: bbs, AC for Academic
domain)
>
>However, I could not get through KIDS BBS for the recent couple of days.
>May be it is down for some time??  
>
>>Thanks, 
>Welcome.
>>Woncheol
>
>SC Choi
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: ^^^^^^^^^^    S H O C K I N G    R E S U L T S    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:09:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



I was informed of that YS won the elction.   I have to be careful
about the shocking results until I get more information on it.
However,  at least the Pusan scandle didn't seem to inflict damage
on YS.  It is surprising.  If the same degree of scandle as that,
happens in the American presidential election,  it should be
a mega-tone blast on the election.   Did rather the scandle boost
Ji-Yeiok Gam-Jung ?  You deserve to investigate why it didn't influence
the election.

BTW, I hope that YS does good job in the future.  But I feel
uncomfortable (Zimm Zimm Ha Da) about his winning.  First of all,
look at his followers who used to be 5-Gong and 6-Gong's parasites (
Gisang-choong).  His cabinet must be the same old face.  Moreover,
according to the Pusan scandle,  his followers will be trying to keep
initiatives (Gidekgeon) again when the YS's presidential term is over.
Think of that the situation is repeated over and over.  In addition,
I guess that the memebers of Min-Ju San-Ak Heoi will dominate almost
all important positions LIKE the TK Group.
Was anybody happy about TK's dominations ?
More important thing is questionable YS's brain ?   Think of how
important things we are facing in economy and unification.

I want to believe that younger generation didn't vote for YS in the
election.   I hate old generations who hate CHANGES.

Anyway,  the game is over.  In this step,  DJ is suggested to one step
back and support a well-qualified and popular future leader who can beat
the next Minja-Dang's candidate.  I can understand his current Shim-Jung.
He must have alot of things to tell us about Gwan-Kweon's unfairness,
the rumor of Pal-gang-i which is not true, and etc.  I want him to hold
back temporally.

Also it is sad that the opposition party has never won the presidential
election in modern Korean political history.  This will never be good
for the future of Korea.  DJ is an important person to make a new leader.
He should be
sacrificed.



                    Minho Jo, Lehigh University
                    Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.
                    Induatrial Engineering Department.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Lee Jong-chan quits race.
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:45:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.021128.15565@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>
>2 % is so critical.  Recall the American president election at the
>closing time of race between Clinton and Bush.

	A teensy-weensy difference between American presidential elections
and the Korean ones is that the American elections are based on electoral
college system whereas the Korean ones are based on popular voting.  So,
Clinton's popular vote was pretty close to Bush's, but Clinton had the
majority of electoral college easily.  You can't compare these two, they
are apples and oranges.

>

-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Juhoon Ahn)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:44:50 GMT

jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>	This reminds me of the flame war I was in over the summer against
>some silly Maoist from MIT.  But anyway, as I wrote, the facts are that
>DJ is patriarchal, surrounds himself with zealots who call him "our
>teacher" and doesn't let anyone to grow as the next potential leader.
>Also, the fact was that DJ promised repeatedly that he would not run
>for presidency if the government changed the constitution to allow
>popular voting in 1988.  He broke his promise, and the result was the
>victory for Roh.  Frankly, I would have had a LOT of respect for DJ
>had he stayed out of the race in 1988 and supported YS.  But now, all
>I have is cynicism towards him.  

What is wrong with calling him "our teacher?"  If you are not
comfortable with the word "our," just think about how we call our
house.  You see, we say "our house" instead of "my house" in Korean.
I think we also need to ask why he "broke" his promise.  I don't
think he broke it.  The government broke it first.  If the 
government had kept the promise, DJ would keep his promise.  And, I 
don't think Roh achived his victory.  He made his victory.  He 
manipulated his victory.  He stole it.  Well, here we go.  I don't 
have any proof.  BTW, what made you decide YS is more trustful than
DJ?  "But now, all I have is cynicism towards him( <- YS)>" <-
I am sorry for being a copycat.  I hope I didn't violate any kind
of copyright here.

>-- 
>T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
>Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
>Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
>DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 

Juhoon Ahn                 |He is my loving God and my fortress,
jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu |my stronghold and my deliverer,
MB 942 Brandeis Univ       |my shield, in whom I take refuge,
Waltham, MA 02254-9110     |who subdues peoples under me.(Psalm 144:2)
-- 
Juhoon Ahn                 |He is my loving God and my fortress,
jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu |my stronghold and my deliverer,
MB 942 Brandeis Univ       |my shield, in whom I take refuge,
Waltham, MA 02254-9110     |who subdues peoples under me.(Psalm 144:2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Mos Eisley)
Subject: Korean Films
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:50:37 GMT

Can any of you recommend some good Korean films to see over winter break?
I'm leaving to my non-networked home in three days, so a prompt response
would be appreciated. Genre is not important.

If so, please e-mail me with a list (if this is a common topic on the
newsgroup) or post them to the group. Thanks!

--
Eugene R. "Mos Eisley" Ahn
"Television is the opiate of the masses."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean