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From: japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu (APJ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:26:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA) writes:


>I was watching ROTJ & noticed that during the scene at the Rancor pit
>when Luke uses his lightsaber to fend off his attackers all the
>lightsaber does is either knock then over or push them out of the way.
>In ESB when Luke and Vader are dueling Vader cuts off Luke's hand.  Is
>there some special reason why the lightsaber does not do any damage to
>any other part of the body except the hands, also in ROTJ when Vader &
>Luke duel for the second time Luke slices off Vader's hand.
>(Like father like son ;}  )

    Er, I doubt that it was the lightsaber knocking people over. I REALLY
doubt LucasFilm would make such a gross error, and no one EVER caught it.
I haven't seen Jedi in a bit, so I'm not sure on the specs, but possibly, it
wasn't the 'saber, but, Luke had his saber on, but was hitting people with
the hilt/his fist, and this was causing people to get knocked over. *shrug*
I'm not sure, actually, but, well, lightsabers cut people in half.... Heh.
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From: pinette@fraser.sfu.ca (Gandolf the 23rd)
Subject: Re: Vaders death
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:55:02 GMT

In article <Bw0MCz.8uH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>
>Here's an alternate theory that I don't think has been mentioned yet: Vader's
>life depends on the Dark Side, as mentioned above, but not on the Emperor.
>That is, it was Vader's own hate, combined with the power of the Dark Side
>of the Force, that gave Vader the will to stay alive.  (That and his
>respirator, of course.)           
>
>In this case, Vader's death is a direct result of him abandoning the Dark
>Side and becoming good.  When he left the path of evil, he also rejected
>the very energy that he had previously relied upon to keep body and soul
>together.
>
>                           --Steve Stelter
>                             sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

I kind of agree with this point of view, after all, it is said thar
once you go down the dark path, there is no return...well, vader did
a first and his return was death......pretty 'fatal' mistake I'd say. 

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From: yyrkoon@morris.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe )
Subject: Re: Next Swars movie 
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 11:02:28 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: yyrkoon@morris.engin.umich.edu


What the heck is "Stellar Enterprises" anyways??

Jeff = yyrkoon
From: d'mayeur@tier.key.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New Lucasfilm Mag?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:52:19 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

So what's the deal?
Is the new all-telling issue of the "Lucasfilm Fan Club Magazine" out yet?   
I thought I heard someone say it was to be shipped October 9th or so.
(Damn!, I shouldn't have let my subscription run out!)

Any information on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
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From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: Vader's Tie Fighter
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:54:22 GMT
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In <1992Oct8.234024.13399@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu writes:

> In article <1992Oct7.102752.24244@cm.cf.ac.uk> Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith) writes:
> >In the West End Games "Star Wars Sourcebook" they explain that Vaders
> >bent-winged fighter was indeed experimental, and that it was found
> >that this wing shape meant the solar panels would be able to collect more
> >ambient solar radiation.  This was why the newly developed TIE-Interceptor
> 
> I would through that Sourcebook away. This explanation is terrible. The
> energy provided by Solar radiation is *SO* tiny unless you are practically
> on top of the sun that it is useless to collect it. TIE fighters are supposed
> to be operational even in interstellar space where there is NO solar energy
> at all.

Yeah, you're right. The so-called solar panels on Vader's ship aren't even
moveable(sp) - if the sun is behind or in front of the ship, no part of them
will be illuminated. At best, only half of the panels will collect energy (look
at Russia's Mir space station, its panels can be rotated and turned so that
they always face the sun).
--- 
I'd say the panels are radiators and/or radiation
shields (on Imperial craft, the power source is inside the raised area that
connect the panels to the craft). Face it, any power source capable of
delivering a six-meter-spaceship into orbit without help from additional
boosters must be powerful. What happens to the excess heat produced by it?
It is radiated into space by those huge panels! Most likely, the "wings" on the
X-wing fighter do the same thing - notice how the upper and lower panels always
separate once the four blaster cannons are used, thus increasing the area used
for dissipating(sp) excess heat from the weapon systems.  

 
> >
> >Sy
> >
> >-- 
> >Simon N. McIntosh-Smith, PhD candidate    |  Email : Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk
> >Department of Computing Mathematics,      |  Phone : +44 (0)222 874000
> >University of Wales, College of Cardiff,  |  Fax   : +44 (0)222 666182
> >Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom            |
>
 
> Lucky you are not a physics PhD canidate. :-)
> 
> Dan Shoham (Math PhD)
> shoham@ll.mit.edu


MARCU$
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From: bailey@emunix.emich.edu (Grand Moff Tarkin)
Subject: Nintendo Star Wars Game. 
Organization: Detroit Institue of Criminal Arts and Sciences
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:43:03 GMT

I finally finished the Nintendo Star Wars game.
Although the Death Star explosion looked pretty lame,
the award scene looked pretty cool.  Almost like the one from
the movie.

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From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's Death
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:52:45 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	Why can't you just accept the idea that Vader died from a combination 
of Luke's attack and the Emperor's bolts.  Before he took off the mask (the act
that ultimately killed him), his breathing was noticeably weakened.  He 
seemed to be struggling for breath under the mask.  It is reasonable to assume
that his life support could be short-circuited, causing him to die.
	These other theories just don't make sense.  There is no evidence of 
one Jedi being attached to another----Luke doesn't die when Obi-Wan or Yoda
does.  Only Zahn, in his novels, suggests the "attached" idea, and even this
doesn't assume the death of one could kill another.  Also, Vader dying 
because he gave up the Dark side also has no foundation.  There is never any
mention of evil powers keeping him alive---only machines ("He's more machine
than man.."--Ben).  All other theories come from FALL of the REPUBLIC, a
unauthorized story with no foundation that claims the Emperor used Dark Side
powers to revive Anakin.
	STAR WARS wasn't meant to be and isn't a very complex story.  There are
few if any hidden meanings (especially in ROTJ).  That is why one must assume
the obvious as being the reason Vader died--his life support was short-
circuited, a nice easily seen and understood explanation.
	If you want something to debate about, how come Anakin doesn't
disappear after he dies....he has supposedly turned back to the good side (he
appears at the end with Ben and Yoda, both of whom disappeared upon death).
And don't tell me it's because he's more machine than man because his head, which you see is as non-machine as there is and it's still there after he dies.
(The more machine answer was given in an issue of BANTHA TRACKS by one of
the producers, but not by Lucas (the only authority) himself.
From: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Classic SW Comic #1
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:14:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> 
|> 	It's been a couple weeks since anyone posted anything about the
|> Classic Star Wars comic book series, the first of which came out in late
|> Aug/early Sept.  Anyway, I picked up a copy yesterday and read it.
|> 	I was impressed.  The art was OK, and it certainly wasn't marred 
|> by any of the bizarre plots and unlikely characterizations of The Dark 
|> Empire (and best of all, no E-Wings!!!).  
|> 	For those of you that missed the earlier posts, Classic Star Wars
|> takes place between ANH and TESB.  It concerns the search for a new rebel base
|> and the encounter on Ord Mantell that Han refers to on Hoth during TESB.
|> The imperial scout walkers look pretty wierd, but that's OK because there
|> may be more versions than what we saw in the movies.
|> 	Has anyone else read this comic book?  What do you think?
|> 

I've read `em and I likes `em!  But is this a monthly or bi-monthly
publication?  I'm left dangling, waiting to see what happens next!  Only
issue #1 has been in the shops here so far.

Sy

(And it seems like forever since Dark Empire #5 was out - roll on #6!)

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's Death
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:42:18 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Bw4xsu.43y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>
>
>>I also have a question about Luke burning Vader's armor.  This
>>will probably seem to be coming completely out of left field,
>>but I think that in the Star Wars society, burning (as opposed
>>to burying) is the common death ritual (for lack of a better
>>term).  My reasoning is based on a scene in ANH.  After Luke,
>>Ben, C-3PO, and R2-D2 find the Jawa Sandcrawler that the
>>Imperials destroyed, Luke races home, finds Owen and Beru dead,
>>and races back to Ben, et. al.  And what are Ben, C-3PO, and
>>R2-D2 doing?  Burning the Jawa's bodies.  Anyone have any
>>ideas why, or does my funeral pyre idea seem valid to anyone
>>else in the world (probably a first for one of my ideas   :)  )?
>
>Could be.  The ritual may be a purely Tatooine custom, though, since the
>only characters we see using funeral pyres are natives or inhabitants of
>Tatooine.  No real way of knowing, of course.                    

Nope.  No real way of knowing.  Of course, this group is just made
for trying to figure stupid things like this out, right?

Anyway, I would like to mention that C-3PO is shown carrying one
of the Jawas to the fire.  (At least, I'm pretty sure he is)  
And C-3PO wasn't on Tatooine very long.  Although he IS a protocol
droid, and probably knows a lot of the backwater customs...

>By the way, exactly how well-trained in the Force does one have to be 
>before one earns the privilege of having one's body dematerialize upon
>death?  Any theories?

Good question.  Well, I suppose it's safe to assume that anyone with
a Jedi title (Knight or Master) would.  I suppose you would need
some degree of mastery in the Force to do it, but would you need
to be a full-fledged Jedi?  I would assume so, but that's just
pure speculation.  I just can't imagine Luke, at the level of
training he was at in ESB, doing the fade-out.  In ROTJ, yes,
but not ESB.  IMHO, of course.

-- 
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if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt)
Subject: Re: Next Swars movie
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:30:28 CDT

In article 22284@nntp.uoregon.edu, dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter) writes:
>I can't really say where I got this but... this is just to confirm any
>doubt: There is another SW movie (series) being made. Can't say any more...
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Dann Cutter  Stellar Enterprises /
>dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu


You might at least tell us your credentials for making a statement like that
here.  As it stands, we fans can't take this as anything more than heresay.

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From: flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW Chess Set?
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:38:04 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


My Chess Set:

Rebels:

King: Luke
Queen : Leia
King's Bishop : Ben
Queen's Bishop : Yoda
King's Knight : Chewie
Queen's Knight : Han
King's Rook : R2
Queen's Rook : 3PO
Pawns : Rebel Troops in Endor Gear

Empire:

King : Emporer
Queen : Vader
King's Bishop : Tarkin
Queen's Bishop : Boba Fett
King's Knight : Death Star Firing Guys
Queen's Knight : TIE Fighter Pilot
King's Rook : Death Star
Queen's Rook : Interrogation Droid
Pawns : Storm Troopers

Comments and Franklin Mint Offers welcome. 8-)
-Bill


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From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Delta Source Scrutiny
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:36:47 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

I had suspected Winter as DELTA SOURCE myself (possibly being one of the 
other "Emperor's Hands" the Thrawn had alluded to).  Seems much to easy 
though.  I'm going with dem weerd treis in da hawll.


                                        - Sasha

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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Vader's Tie Fighter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:45:30 GMT

shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.102752.24244@cm.cf.ac.uk> Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith) writes:
>>In the West End Games "Star Wars Sourcebook" they explain that Vaders
>>bent-winged fighter was indeed experimental, and that it was found
>>that this wing shape meant the solar panels would be able to collect more
>>ambient solar radiation.  This was why the newly developed TIE-Interceptor

>I would through that Sourcebook away. This explanation is terrible. The
>energy provided by Solar radiation is *SO* tiny unless you are practically
>on top of the sun that it is useless to collect it. TIE fighters are supposed
>to be operational even in interstellar space where there is NO solar energy
>at all.

Lemme get this straight: You're condemning an explanation for something in
the Star Wars films on *scientific* grounds?  C'mon, that's not even a
challenge...

>Lucky you are not a physics PhD canidate. :-)

Damned right.


                                             --Steve Stelter
                                               sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Interesting Fact on G. Lucas
Date: 7 Oct 1992 09:03:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

eschneid@sparc53.tamu.edu (Erich R Schneider) writes:

>In article <92277.122904EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>Well, while I was shopping yesterday, I saw the new book out about
>>Lucas' first twenty years in the film industry. To make a long story
>>short, I read something that really shocked me.  There was a quote of
>>Lucas' that more or less said the following:
>>
>>(paraphrased, obviously)  That working on Young Indiana Jones is the most
>>fun he has had since working on 'Raiders'.
>>
>>Wow. I guess that sums up RotJ real fast as far as Lucas is concerned?
>>Comments??

>Did Lucas direct _Raiders ..._? I believe his involvement with _TESB_
>and _ROTJ_ was limited to executive producer; he certainly did not
>direct or write the story for either one (except in the limited sense
>that some of the concepts for _ROTJ_ appear in the initial drafts of
>_SW_).

Well, his title was executive producer, but he was really the creative and
guiding force behind the movies (like Roddenbury (or however it's spelled)
was to Star Trek).

keith
From: joshuali@koh-sun5.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: close
Date: 15 Oct 1992 10:27:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Oct14.215505.1@cgsvax.claremont.edu> walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:

>Could someone please post or e-mail me what a reasonable price would be
>for a Yak Face action figure?  The figure is in excellent condition, but
>is off the card and has no accessories.  Thanks!

Be prepared to pay anywhere from $60 to $85. If it's more than that, you
could probably find it cheaper.

Does anyone have a spear/rifle thingy from Nikto or Barada?
I'll pay $2 for one.

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From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Next Swars movie
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:16:35 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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dann cutter (dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu) wrote:
: I can't really say where I got this but... this is just to confirm any
: doubt: There is another SW movie (series) being made. Can't say any more...
: 
: _______________________________________________________________
: Dann Cutter  Stellar Enterprises* /
: dcutter@oregon.uoregon.ed


While we're on the subject, I just thought I'd say that I can't really reveal
where I got this, but a man in a trenchcoat with a Deep Throat told me that
they're going to reveal in this movie that MARILYN MONROE is STILL ALIVE after
all these years!, and she's going to play Luke's mother.  And ELVIS IS ALSO
ALIVE!!!, and he's going to play Annakin.  And JIM MORRISON is Biggs, who
REALLY WAS IN THE FIRST MOVIE!!!, only they cut it out of all the prints after
showing them once.   Except if you have THE ORIGINAL PRINT, which I got at
an auction...but I can't say where...

(I'm really Robert Stack, but I can't say WHERE that other name on my account 
came from.  I'm afraid it's an...UNSOLVED MYSTERY..!)
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Re: Star Wars Daily/ Sunday Comic strips
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:49:29 GMT

In article <BvtA58.DHJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes:
>     HAN SOLO AT STAR'S END: Need I say any more?
>
>     The Bounty hunter on Ord Mantell was the only other story I 
>recall...good art, Dreadfully cheesy names...Gribbit? Ends with
>Vader saying, "I guess I'll have to do better next time..." and
>a shot of him with Zuckuss, Dengar, Fett, IG-88 & Bossk ( I think).
>				
>

>	[etc. ...]

>                                         George...

	Yes!! I remember that scene.  (Vaguely ...)

	- Gord Locke, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: ESB- Luke & the Cave
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:33:51 GMT

There are several interpretations of the Dagobah cave scene,
including:

1. It foretells the Vader/Luke relationship. (It does, but this
is IMHO a purely secondary consideration in the scene.)

2. It shows that the greatest enemy Luke will have to overcome
at this stage in his development is himself. (This is my
favored interpretation, and all must prostrate themselves
before My Exalted Opinion :-)

Hope that helps the person who originally posted about this...
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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: Heir to the Empire
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:33:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.193419.24293@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tryder@nyx.cs.du.edu (Trevathon Ryder) writes:
>
>Anyhow, does anyone know when the sequal to Heir to the Empire,
>Dark Force Rising, will be released on paperback?

	If DFR follows HTTE's precedent, the paperback will come out next
May or so, around the same time _The Last Command_ comes out in hardback.

>Secondly, who is Mara at Jabba's palace??  She claims to have
>been there, and Skywalker made a fool out of her .. The only
>thing I can think of is that she could possibly be Boba Fett
>and managed to escape before being digested ...  Any ideas?


	Christ. (No, that was a comment, not a suggestion) Boba Fett? No
way. Considering that her cover on Coruscant had been as a dancer, it seems
quasi-reasonable that she'd've done the same sort of thing on Tatooine. In
fact, the books may actually say she'd been a dancer at Jabba's; I haven't
read them recently enough to recall.

	If you watch _Jedi_ carefully, around the time Luke is dropped into
the Rancor pit, you see a red-haired human woman dressed in black, rushing to
the grating with the others to watch the fun. I like to think that's her.
You mileage may differ.


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