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From: dhukill@esprit.prime.com (Dave Hukill x4056 5-1)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: CD Changer Recommendation
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:23:22 GMT

[ other stuff deleted]

[ John Callahan writes: ]
> I just purchased a Yamaha CDC-625 CD changer.  I am quite satisfied with it.
> 
> While looking for a CD changer over the last several months, I listened
> to several changers.  The only one that I "think" had a perceptibly
> "better" sound than the others was the Sony 87ES.  This is Sony's top
> of the line changer with a list price of $700.  I simply wasn't willing
> to pay that price.
> 

I don't know where you got that price, but I bought my C87 for $600, and
I'm quite happy with it!

> I listened to the Yamaha side-by-side (with the same CD in each unit
> and switching back and forth between the units) with a Sony 77ES
> changer and did not find any appreciable difference between the two.
> 
> I decided to take the Yamaha over the Sony 77ES for one reason.
> 
> 		I find the Yamaha unit to be less ugly (there's no 
> 		accounting for taste) and I have to look at it as 
> 		well as listen to it.
> 

I think the entire ES line looks pretty nice, but that of course is a
matter of taste. I also own a Sony T1000 (I call it the 'Terminator')
pre-amp, and they look great together.

> As a bonus, the loading on the Yamaha is more convenient than on the Sony
> carousel units.  The PlayXchange feature is nice, but was not a factor in
> my decision and I seldom us it.  I usually load five disks, listen to those
> and then load five more.
> 

I agree - I've never need that type of capability...I suppose it would be
nice in a DJ situation...you'd just have to keep track of which disc was
in what slot. With the C87, this becomes easier with the 'memo' feature -
you can give any disc (up to 184) a name (10 characters, I think). I've been
using this more and more.

> The Yamaha has limited programming capabilities -- which I have yet to use.
> The Sony ES units have extensive programming features and this may be important
> to some people.
> 

It has so much, is take time to get used to, but I've found that the more I
use the unit, the more I get out of it!

> I bought the Yamaha CDC-625 for about $300 on sale and consider it to be a
> good value at that price.
> 

That's amazing. I bought my first CD-player nearly 6 years ago - a Sony
CDP-55 for $300. The equivalent unit today would go for under $200!


Just my 2-cents worth - 
Dave Hukill <dhukill@esprit.prime.com>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: eginting+@cs.cmu.edu (Eka Namara Ginting)
Subject: Thiel CS2
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 00:45:40 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Hi,

I have just recently acquired a used pair of Thiel CS2 speakers. I was
wondering if any of you out there has had any experience with these speakers,
and if you can tell me about:
- What receiver/amplifier you use to drive them, and how it compares with
	other receivers/amps. I currently have a 5 years old Proton 930
	receiver; it's bridgeable, so I am thinking about buying an amp,
	and use the Proton as a preamp.
- What sort of placement you find best for these speakers
- Care and maintenance needed 
- Anything else that you think I should know with regards to the CS2.

Also, I need to transport these speakers. If you happen to have a pair of
boxes for the speakers above sitting in the corner of your basement gathering
dust, I would be extremely grateful if you are willing to give them to me.
We could certainly discuss some sort of incentive for your effort to get the
boxes out of your basement...

You can reply to this account, or call me at (206) 545-0459 (home) or
(206) 882-8080 x14846 (work).

Thanks,

--Eka Ginting
-- 
  School of Computer Science
  Carnegie Mellon University		"Life is the purest form of art"
  (412) 268-3067, fax: (412) 681-1998
  Eka.Ginting@cs.cmu.edu		#include <disclaimer.h>
From: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (W.G.Day)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Cyrus/Mission amps
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:03:42 GMT
Reply-To: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (Warren Day)
Organization: Computing Lab, The University, Canterbury, Kent. CT2 7NF, UK

In article <watsonr.711994665@unix1.tcd.ie> watsonr@unix1.tcd.ie
(richard watson) writes:
>Are they really that good, in their price-range (260 Irish pounds) ?

I would say yes.

>Would I be better with a Musical-Fidelity budget (300 pounds) ?

At one sitting I compared an A1 against a Cyrus II and after 45 minutes
came out liking Cyrus II.

At another I compared a B1 against a Cyrus I and after about half an hour
came out likeing the Cyrus I.

I find that the MF amps tend to throw an excessively lively sound at you.
It turns everything slow into a dance version.

The Cyrus sound is much more controlled and precise and has stunning stage
focus.

>Does anyone know about the Cyrus-1/Cyrus speaker combination ?

I've never tried their speakers.  I've always heard the amps running through
other things and they have always matched.  I have even heard the 230 English
pound Cytrus I run a 1300 English pound pair of Celestion 7000 ribbons.  These
have a load of 4 ohm and thus don't sound nice when driven by most amps, the
Cyrus I however had no problems, it sounded great.

A friend just stuck a PSX on his 2 or 3 year old Cyrus II and is wonderfully
happy.
From: snguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu (Son Nguyen)
Subject: AQ cables forsale
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:56:31 GMT
Distribution: usa

I have the following items forsale:

Audioquest midnite speaker cable, 8' pair, with 2 pairs of X-terminators,
price is $125 + ship.

Audioquest turquoise interconnect, 1m pair, $15 + ship.

Email if you're interested.

Son Nguyen
snguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: CD emphasis question
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:41:59 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Does anyone know how common the use of emphasis is on CD's?

I'm in the process of building a DAC, but before I build in the extra
circuitry to switch the emphasis in and out, I'd like to know if it will ever
get used.

Hunting through old copies of the AES journal suggests that emphasis
was needed to compensate for low quality 14 bit AD/DA converters. I've
read suggestions elsewhere that emphasis was only used on a few early CD's.
Unfortunatel my present player seems to do the de-emph digitally, so 
short of bread-boarding an spdif reciever with an emphasis detector I've
no way of going through my CD collection to see if anything uses it.
Thanks in advance,
Graham B
From: eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell)
Subject: Re: Cheap Xover
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:07:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.081402.23803@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> eodell@nyx.cs.du.
du (Eugene O'Dell) writes:
>
>I'm extremely new to the audio component scene, so I'll tell you what
>I've got, and what I want, and hopefully you can send me in a good      

>direction.  This is my system:
>Pioneer VSX-3600 receiver
>Realistic 10 band EQ
>2 Sansui S-65U Three way speakers
>2 15" Rockford Fosgate (Series 1) subwoofers (w/15 millisomething coil) 
  
>
>The speakers are hooked up in series; 1 Sansui to 1 fifteen (oh, all
>speakers are eight ohm).  The coils on the fifteens don't do diddly,
>and I want most of the bass in the subs, with a little spilling into    
>the Sansui's.  Of course, all the mids and his will be through the     
>Sansui's.  What do I need to get to do the job?  What do you suggest?
>
>--
>--Eugene O'Dell                        
>Internet Address: EAO430S@VMA.SMSU.EDU "I would give my life to find it,
>                  eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu   I would give it all...
>  Bitnet Address: EAO430S@SMSMVMA         Catch me if I fall." -  R.E.M.


Can anyone help me out here?  I'm a poor college student who needs the
above, that's all.  :-)

--
--Eugene O'Dell                        
Internet Address: EAO430S@VMA.SMSU.EDU "I would give my life to find it,
                  eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu   I would give it all...
  Bitnet Address: EAO430S@SMSMVMA         Catch me if I fall." -  R.E.M.
From: walshm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Matt 'MTM' Walsh)
Subject: Klipsch Search Continues...need more advice
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:51:20 GMT

Saw a great deal in the paper...a pair of Cornerhorns for $1000. The 
only catch is that they are old - mnade sometine in the 1970's.  They
have NOT been upgraded since then.  My questions toy you are:`

1) how much difference does the upgrade make?
2)how much does the upgrade cost and where do I get it?
3) if these are in good shape is this a good deal?
4) anything else I need to know about older Klipsch speakers?

Matt
matt@walsh.dme.battelle.org


--
Matt Walsh  walshm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
How can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat? You! Yes You!
From: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Rosler)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Info Sought on Kenwood KR-A5040
Date: 23 Jul 1992 09:24:33 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

     I am thinking of getting a Kenwood Receiver 5040 and would really
appreciate anyone's comments or experiences with it.  I am most concerned
with how clean its amplifier is, and how its tuner performs. I'll be using
Advent Legacy II speakers.

I don't want surround, and don't want to spend too much money, so it seems like 
a good choice for me. I can get the Kenwood for $198; if you can recommend a
receiver in the same price range (up to $250) please let me know about that 
too if you don't mind.  I thank you in advance for any help you may offer.

Dan
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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: >A good mail order experience
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:31:11 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

>I have had very good experiences with Camera World of Oregon.  They have
>the best prices and are authorized US dealers.  I bought a Sony MDP-333
>there for only $389 including shipping and handling and full US warranty.
> I highly recommend calling them first for the best prices.

 What is their phone number?

-- 
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ctlant@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CHRISTIAN LANT)
Subject: Re: Digital Coax, 1.5m, b/w cd & dat, <=$200: suggestions?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 22 Jul 1992 08:24 EST  

In article <71178076422666@pepper.ra.anl.gov>, colosia@pepper.ra.anl.gov (MB Colosia RA/208/sd 9130) writes...
> 
>A good local hi-fi shop mentioned "PSS by David Hum" as an excellent
>passive coax b/w my nad 5k & my denon dtr-2k.  I looked in my popular
>references: tas, stereophile, hifi, audiophile ... nothing.
> 
>mark colosia
>argonne natl lab	wrk: 708-252-9130
>argonne, il		colosia@salt.ra.anl.gov


I've had good experiences with "PSS by David Hum" (Purest Sound Systems).  
David designs, manufactures, and sells high quality, extremely clean signal 
passive preamps.  They are definitely worth checking out.  The PSS preamp 
line uses the same design philosophy as Bryston: there is no "good, better, 
or best," rather, each model of preamp has different features to suit 
different needs.  Also, these preamps are very competitively priced.

I'm sure David can help you with your passive coax request.  You can reach 
him at:	
	Purest Sound Systems
	1217 E.60th St.
	Cleveland, Ohio 44103
	Ph: (216) 881-0253

Stereophile will be doing a review on PSS preamps soon.  Hope I've been of 
some help.

	Chris  - ctlant@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov

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From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
Subject: Re: Setting up center channel for Pro-Logic
Keywords: Pro-Logic, center channel
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:59:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.381
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Distribution: na
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In response to several recent postings about Pro-logic setups and center
channels:

I have had my Pro-logic setup for about 3 years now and have tried a
number of configurations. Here's some random thoughts:

- balance the power available to all channels. This is important because
  the balancing controls in the processor only have so much range. The
  first amp I used for the center channel was 60% (rated) smaller than
  the mains and surround amps. I couldn't get the channels to balance
  in such a way as to allow me to go in and out of pro-logic mode without
  resetting all the levels (TV, stereo, VCR,...).

- use a shielded speaker(s) for the center channel so that it can be placed
  as close to the tv as possible.

- use as few stages before the pro-logic processor as possible. This helps
  to get the best decoding.

- if you use an active subwoofer filter, use it on the front (main) stereo
  channel. Remember the center channel is rolled off at 100Hz. Don't use
  the filter before the pro-logic processor (see previous note).

- I tried a setup with 3 stereo amps; 1 for mains, 1 for surrounds, and
  1 split between center and subwoofer. This works fine except I now feel
  that it is best to use 2 subwoofers and keep the subwoofer signals in
  stereo. Despite the theory, I am convinced I hear imaging in the subs
  (maybe because I've been a bass player for almost 30 years!).

BTW: I use a Carver CT-17 for the pro-logic processor and ADCOM amps. After
trying several combinations I have settled on Magnaplanners for speakers.
They really make nice mains speakers due to the wide spacial imaging and
crisp sound. They can really use subwoofers though.

My setup is a little wierd because my wife insists on not having to turn
on the stereo to watch TV or even to use the VCR so I now use a stereo
amp/speakers right at the TV/VCR. One input to that amp comes from the
VCR and the other comes (mono) from the center channel out on the pro-logic
processor. The VCR also directly feeds the pro-logic processor input. This
requires some buffering to keep the feeds isolated (AD712 opamps of course!).

-grego
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Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
From: freedmanm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Four Channel vs. Five Channel Pro-Logic
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:27:19 GMT

In article <2A6DE312.12243@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, harvey@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Harvey Chen) writes:
> 	Yes, there is a DEFINITE difference in adding the center channel.  I
> had regular Dolby surround for three years and just recently added a Dolby
> Pro-logic processor to my system and the difference is amazing.
> 	Furthermore, when I just had Dolby surround, I sometimes had
> difficulty hearing the dialogue.  Adding Pro-logic eliminated that.
> 	It sounds like you already have a Pro-logic processor, I would
> recommend that you go and get a center channel speaker and hear for
> yourself.
> 
> Harvey
> 


Well, there is a difference between Dolby Surround sound and Dolby ProLogic
with surround sound.  DS (not DPL) doesnt take the rear info out of the front
and doesnt separate the center out at all.  Phantom mode in DPL actually takes
the rear out of the front and takes the center channel and send it mono into
the two main front speaker thus (with good imaging speakers) makes it seem like
it is coming from the center.  But with a separate speaker (if it is of the
same quality as your mains) will make a BIG difference in the sound... and not
only that, it wont matter where you sit in the room... It makes a big
difference.
						Mike.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: drk@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Koehler)
Subject: Re: Cambridge SoundWorks?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:36:39 GMT

In article <mgr.712504411@hela.iti.org> mgr@iti.org (Mike Rother) writes:
>jayb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jay Brown) writes:
>
>>I recently purchased Ensemble I's from them.  
>
>>I bought the speakers for space reasons and they are replacing some
>>Boston Acoustic 100's.  They are noticeably less brilliant on the high
>>end and less boomy on the low end, even when I "optimize" the placement
>>of the two subwoofers.  I'm not sure my BA 100's weren't a little
>>overagressive in the extremes (makes them sound more impressive in a
>>demo), but less "accurate".
>
>Doesn't Cambridge have the print ads featuring a photo of an
>elderly-looking Henry Kloss listening carefully to some speakers?
>Your comments above about "less brilliant" sound reminded me of that
>picture.  As humans get older, our ability to hear high-frequency
>sound deterioriates.  The Cambridge ads imply that Henry's
>experienced ears were used to help design their speakers.  Makes you
>wonder.

The above comment sugggests that the CSW speakers should be a
touch on the bright side, whereas the previous post indicated that they
were less brilliant sounding than the Bostons.  The Absolute Sound reviewed
the Ensemble I one or two years ago and remarked that the high end was a
bit elevated, but smooth and not unpleasant.  My experience with the
Ensemble II (same tweeter as Ensemble I) is in agreement with this
conclusion.  Overall, I'm pleased with the speakers.

David.
From: philip+@pitt.edu (Philip Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Help Needed for choosing components
Date: 26 Jul 92 05:49:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Actually, the price I listed $800 was very upper end.  She'd rather spend like
$600 area.  Sorry I didn't mention it in the previous post and wasting even
more bandwidth.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ytl@philabs.philips.com (Ying Tat Leung)
Subject: blu-tak
Originator: ytl@pooh
Reply-To: ytl@philabs.philips.com (Ying Tat Leung)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:08:14 GMT


Fellow netters,

I've read so many times that Stereophile guys use this "Blu-Tak" to couple
speakers to their stands.  What is this "Blu-Tak" and where can I get it?
I have this Sound Organization stand which comes with small upturned cones 
for the speakers to sit on.  Many stands like Target also come with cones or
spikes.  Any reason to use blu-tak instead (except not damaging the 
speaker cabinet finish)?

Also, where can I get a good pair of jumpers to use between the biwiring posts
of my speakers before I can afford double runs of cable?  I read that the new
biwirable LS3/5A comes with gold plated brass plates as jumpers.  Something
like that would be nice.  Or should I save the $ and go to biwiring directly?
(No flames please, thank you)

Regards,
Ying
From: mu299af@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (G. Y.)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: q
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:56:00 GMT

This is a test.  Please discard.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: 20 or 24 bit digital recording?
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:02:17 GMT

In article <23324@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon) writes:

>As far as real vinyl, I haven't seen any vinyl yet that has
>demonstrated anything over about 55dB SNR, even at low frequencies,
>and that limits vinyl (note, SNR, not dynamic range, is what
>is important here for measuring "bits"), even ignoring 
>frequency response problems, separation problems, 
>degratation problems, and the like, to less than 10 bits.

That brings to mind an interesting question.  DAT uses 16 bits, so it
has 96 dB snr for a full level signal.  For a signal at -50 db, it has
46 dB snr.  For a signal at -90 dB, it has 6 dB snr.

Therefore, it is correct to say that DAT has, simultaneously, X dB
dynamic range and Y dB snr, whenever X + Y = 96.

Now consider a floating-point system with 16 bits, 4 bits of exponent
and 13 bits (using the standard IEEE cheat) of mantissa.  That system
has 90 dB of dynamic range (using the exponent only), and 78 dB snr.
Similarly to 16-bit linear, we can increase the dynamic range at the
expense of snr (but not vice versa).

Is that analysis correct?

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: denio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Dennis O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Need New CD Deck Recomendations!
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:43:13 GMT
Organization: Institute for Obfuscatorial Dynamics

In article <23270@alice.att.com> andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume) writes:
>
>
>	i used the adcom whilst demoing speakers on the weekend.
>the user interface sucks. all the buttons are mono-sized and
>not well laid out. the sound was competent but i'd reject it
>on usability grounds alone.

I must disagree.  I own an Adcom CD player (GCD-575), and, while it
doesn't have the best possible control layout ("user interface"), it's
perfectly usable for me.  I've never had any trouble using any of the controls.
The buttons I use most, namely "Play" and "Open/Close", are at the ends of
their respective rows and easy to find.  All (or at least most) of the
other features are accessible from the remote, and
that's where I use them anyway.

That said, there may well be players on the market with better sound
for comparable price, as the Adcom is now several years old.  Or maybe
not.  Listen first and worry about the "user interface" (sheesh) fourth.

Dennis O'Neill
-- 
Dennis O'Neill (denio@seismo.css.gov)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: newell@cco.caltech.edu (Stephen Scott Newell)
Subject: Re: Good Quality Speakers?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:34:29 GMT

evb@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen) writes:

>If bass is all that you are really interested in, try some Cerwin-Vegas.  However,
>they won't do much for accuracy... But at 98 dB efficiency or higher, you can get
>a ton of noise from these things.  Same goes for Klipschhorns (sp?).  As for a
>good speaker with lots of base, you could always buy a seperate subwoofer....

Oh, come on.  Comparing a classic like the K-horn to Cerwin Vega?
You must be kidding.  Don't even mention in the
same breath together.  I have heard both. One is maybe worth the
money, one isn't.  At least to people interested in bass.

(Yeah, I admit the K-horn ain't the most uncolored speaker
out there.  But Paul Klipsch did claim it had about the lowest
FM distortion (??).  Long time ago, in JAES.)

newell

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu
Subject: Is there a FAQ for this group?
Reply-To: mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:35:31 GMT


I'm sure this should be on it as well.

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From: jkavanau@yoda.wsu.edu (Jeff Kavanaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Carver M1.0t Amplifier Forsale - $300.00
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:23:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Jul24.022344.23785
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University!
Originator: jkavanau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu

I would like to sell my Carver M1.0t power amplifier.
Here are the specs:

	225W into 8ohms (conservative, front panel meter says 400W/channel)
	dk grey all metal faceplate with dual ladder bar LED's

good condition.

Inclues shipping to 48 US states.

Price: $300.00

Jeff Kavanaugh
jkavanau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end