From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Super G Burger"
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:55:31 GMT

<1992Dec15.143027.12801@waikato.ac.nz> arron@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>>God warned Adam and Eve, like our parents SHOULD HAVE warned us about what is
>>>right and wrong, and how to protect ourselves. They chose to run away from God,
>>>they even hid from God like any common runaway after they were found to be
>>>naked.
>> 
>> So, your parents should have inflicted disease and death upon you for
>> *one* act of disobediance?  Will you do so to *your* children?
>
>No, the one act of disobedience has already separated us from God, death is
>already taken it's toll .... it just hasn't caught up with you YET !!!!

Let me undertstand this:  *ONE* act of disobediance is enough to
convict the entire human race including all those who have not yet been
born.  Yet, Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer could be
granted ever-lasting life if they just accept Christ.  Is that right?

And you're happy about this system?

>>>God then offered them the key to come back to Him in the laws, but they had so 
>>>much trouble following the laws, God had to offer Christ to do all the hard
>>>work for them. 
>> 
>> He could have just <gulp> FORGIVEN THEM.  Gosh, wouldn't that be novel.
>
>No ... parents don't just forgive their kids of everything they do wrong,

Excuse me, up to that point Adam and Eve had only done *one* thing wrong.
And it didn't even hurt anyone.  It's not like they drowned the entire
world on a flood, or ordered the children of another tribe slaughtered.

>                                                                           it 
>requires the kids to show they realise that they've done something wrong first.

And Adam and Eve hiding in the bushes isn't evidence that they were aware
they had done wrong?

>Luckily God doesn't need you to change all the things you've done wrong, he
>just wants you to realise you aren't perfect. 

OK, I'm not perfect.

>                                              Then you can offload all your
>sins/mistakes/worries onto Christ's shoulders, and try (but often fail) to get
>it right next time.

OK, I blame Christ for all my troubles and sins.  Whew!  I feel better
already.  Does this mean I live forever now?

>>>               Now God is waiting for us exactly as Christ said in the parable 
>>>of the Prodigal Son. 
>> 
>> I assume you have proof of this.
>
>I'm not great with verses, but if you have a Concordance and some time, Christ
>said that no man (person) can come to the Father except by Him. Paul, I think,
>said something about all the Angels in heaven singing for joy at the saving of
>one soul. Other than the bible you can only find proof by excepting Christ
>yourself, and experiencing it. 

No, no.  I mean proof that there is a god waiting.  Not proof that someone
said there was a god waiting.

>>>                     I have received the Holy Spirit, and I can assure you God
>>>is very real, and DOES protect me, and answers my prayers. 
>> 
>> Really?  I've issued this challenge before, but since you have a
>> *personal* _in_ with this god please tell him to be at my place, oh say,
>> Friday the 18th of December this year.  I'll be waiting for him, he can
>> let himself in.  If he shows up I'll ask him several questions and if the
>> answers are reasonable then I might believe.  If this happens I'll post
>> to the net.
>> 
>> Now, this should really be a very very minor task for an omnipotent
>> god, and since you talk with him regularly it shouldn't be a problem.
>> I'll wait for him to show up.  If he needs to reschedule he can call
>> me.  (BTW, I'm not listed in the phone book, but he shouldn't have
>> _too_ much trouble finding me, now should he.)
>
>Sure, sweatless. 

"Sweatless"?

>                 all you have to do is to know how to communicate with him.

Wait a sec, you said you knew how to communicate with him.  Why can't he
communicate *my* way?  Isn't he capable of it?

>                                                                          Get
>down on your knees on Friday the 18th December, and pray to God, ask him to be
>there with you, and to give you the revelation from the Holy Spirit, and the
>answers to the questions you have. I beleive, and will even pray that he will
>do just that, and then it's up to you and God.

I did that stuff once.  Nothing happened (except I felt really
embarrassed).  Now seriously, since you talk to him all the time, tell him
to show up at my door this Friday.

>But trust me ... he WILL be there (see word OMNIPOTENT in dictionary), 

Geez, it's not gonna be one of these "You can't see him but he's all
around us <wink><wink>" things, is it?  If so, tell him to forget it.  If
he can't face me directly then don't bother.

>                                                                       but
>would you talk to you if you were going to be a smart unwilling listener. God
>is more patient with people than I am though.

Like I said, if he'd been so patient with Adam and Eve after *one* little
transgression we'd have avoided the whole mess.

>>>                                                           He loves both you 
>>>and I and wants to spend eternity with us all, death doesn't mean much when you
>>>have a future after death.
>> 
>> Then I guess all he has to do is make us immortal.  Gee, if he wants it so
>> bad then who am I to argue.
>
>That's exactly what he WILL do, it's all documented in the Bible.

Then what are we worried about.  Party down!

>>>Praise God !!!
>> 
>> For what?
>
>For all the good things of this world that you haven't found yet, and the ones
>you have !!!!

I've found lots of good things in this world.  None of them had "Made by
god" stamped on them.


Gordon
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