HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Dead battery
Keywords: battery alternator 
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:54:32 GMT

I just went through this with my car. Not the dropping it on its side part.:-)

Batteries tend to go rather suddenly, in my experience, ond once they start
using a lot of water they're finished. When the Radian's battery went late
last year, we didn't want to use a new battery for two weeks and then
let it sit all winter so we kept the bike plugged into the charger in the 
garage and otherwise boosted it a lot. Sometimes it would start ok, then we'd
go riding, and still warm, would not restart.

It sounds like your battery is toast. Dropping it may have sloshed some 
fluid around and annoyed it, I don't know, (everyone says to store them 
upright) but if three cells were dry, it's finished.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: edh@wheeler.unr.edu (Ed Hackett)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Durability
Keywords: why
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:20:13 GMT
Reply-To: edh@wheeler.unr.edu (Ed Hackett)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <Bz7zp7.8L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
>johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) writes:

>>I mean, we would like to think that if we could get our bike or car, any        
>>bike or any car, to say, 100,000 miles, without major problems we are           
>>having a near mystical experience in reliability.  Bullshit.  At an             
>>average of 50 mph, 100,000 miles is only 2000 hours of operation.               
>>That's nothing compared to the reliability of many mechanical systems.          

>I think a more realistic estimate of total operation time would be in the
>neighborhood of 10,000 hours per 100,000 miles. 

I have an hour meter in my truck.  It was a left-over from an
airplane project 10 years ago, that I figured I might as well put
to some use.  It's been in for over 20,000 miles now, and I am
seeing between 3900 and 4500 miles per 100 hours.  That works out
to right around 2400 hours per 100,000 miles.  My driving includes
an 18 mile (one way) commute, a "normal" amount of running around
town, and highway trips up to 600 miles a day.  I don't spend any
significant time idling in traffic.  (Yes, Blaine, most of those
highway miles are with one or the other of an Italian V twin in the
back).  :-)

I think that the two main reasons for the life most people see out
of a vehicle are improper maintainance and the fact that the
vehicles are engineered for a finite life span.  It has been been
pointed out by another poster that most manufacturers don't want
their vehicles to last forever.  They need to sell you a new one.
This is particularly true of American and Japanese vehicles.  The
Europeans, due to the cost of owning a car or bike, expect it to last a
long time.  They propably will keep it for ten years or more, some
expecting it to be the only vehicle  that they will own.  

 Ed Hackett   edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu     The Desert Research Institute 
 DoD #0200  WMTC  BMWRA  DIOC             Reno, Nevada   (702) 673-7380   
 KotLS  KtoLE  DotD #0003      Motorcycling is not a life and death matter.
 900SS  K100RS  501 CAMEL      It's more important than that.    __=o&o>__
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: correction on New Biker
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:40:38 GMT

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>Diana Boyd (dboyd@informix.com) wrote:

>> [...] every once in awhile you'll pass a car smoldering away, surrounded
>> by fire engines, on the side of the hiway. How does that happen?

>Former Hard-core Yammabago riders who became disenchanted with small
>vehicles have formed rogue 'firemen' gangs who pursue cagers-without-
>a-clue and set fire to them.

And in future years, these "firemen" will move on from cars and take to
burning books.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
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From: Pete Welter <pwelter@advtech.uswest.com>
Subject: Re: Gunfighter+Lady info needed
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:13:42 GMT
Organization: U S West Advanced Technologies
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:10:32 GMT

In article <Byqsqz.K42@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Jorg Klinger,
klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:
>  There is a backrest available for this saddle which I think should
>improve passenger comfort. Any thoughts?
>
>  I'm led to beleive that passenger seat to peg distance is increased.
>True?

I own one of these for my Ninja 750R, at it has made a *big* difference
for my
wife.  She has a bad back, and she used to have to lean over behind me -
now
that she has the back rest, she can sit up straight, and her back doesn't
bother
her any more.  We can take much longer rides than we used to be able to,
and she feels better when the day is over.

The passenger seat is elevated a couple of inches, so she can see a little
better. Also, on my bike, the front seat is lower than my stock seat, by
an inch (maybe two), and this seems to distribute my weight better between
my hands, feet, and rear, making for a more comfortable ride for me also. 

All in all, one of the better purchases I made this year...

- Pete

=======================================================================
=====
Pete Welter
pwelter@advtech.uswest.com
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 724124320@morpheus, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie) writes:
>
>So long as it is you that pays the extra $10,000 per year to cover the
>potential health risk you incur by riding without a helmet. Damned if I se
>why I or anyone else should pay it for you.

Just on the off chance that you didn't make this number up, I would be
very interested in the study which produced it.  Seriously.

>So how about this idea?  In the land of the "free" (market) it should be
>possible to arrange special medical insurance for those who wish to ride
>without a helmet,  so it could be made illegal to ride without this special
>coverage.

All this requires is actual data which indicates that such a cost
exists, and can be unambiguously indentified with unhelmeted
motorcyclists.  If you know of any, and it's valid, I'll begin
immediately to petition my legislators to instutute just such a law.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Motorcycle Magazines
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com


My Motorcycle bug is biting very hard after about a five yr. layoff.  Since
I've decided to go for a new/used bike purchase this spring, I thought a
good first step would be to start reading the motorcycle magazines and get
caught up.  

Unfortunately for the riding I want to do, it seems that several magazines I
used to look for are gone!  Most of what I'm seeing lends itself more to the
crotch-rocket than sport-touring which is the kind of bike I'm looking for.
To be fair I have seen some road tests of this type in the magazines, but not
that many.  Can anyone recommend magazines that cater to sport-touring on a 
higher percentage basis?  

Also, since I've missed 5 years of models, I would be very interested in hearing
about any used bikes of that period that you consider to be a good fit.  I'll 
be looking to buy a cycle in the 750-1000 range (probably closer to 850), that I 
can enjoy the twisty roads on (not a wild man but I enjoy good cornering and 
acceleration), and also hop on and do long tour in reasonable comfort (did a ride 
from Kansas City <-> Vermont on a Suzuki 500 2-stroke twin, and the bike had a `
much easier time of it than I did :^).  I'm not into 2 wheeled cars but do like 
shaft drive (what about belt drive conversions?).  I tend to lean towards the
inline 4 cylinder models rather than the V configuration, but can be talked out
of it if the package is right.

Thanks for any suggestions,

Steve


  
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Federal extortion nets helmet law!
Summary: Iowa is about to get one
Keywords: federal, extortion, helmets
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:13:14 GMT

	How's this for you.  Iowa, that bastion (or something spelled
similar to that) of liberty, has no helmet law.  The Federal Government,
not to take such things lightly, has decided that Iowa must pass a
helmet law or lose several million in highway funds.  Didn't this net
us a 55mph speed limit, a 21 drinking age, and all sorts of other
bullshit not too long ago?

	I'm all for closing all interstate highways at the border, saying
screw the Federal highway finds, and turning the whole thing into a toll
road.  Either that, or keeping that 9/10th per gallon gas tax and all
other federal taxes until this sort of crap ends  Iowa plates get waved
through, everybody else pays.  Federal vehicles pay an even million dollars
per axel.  That ought to put this stuff to rest and quickly.

	It is blatantly unconstitutional, at least so far as I can see.
It has nothing to do with taxes, and nothing to do with interstate
commerce, so the Fed can't do it legally.  No matter how much we bitch,
money talks and we're talking millions here, so the State will cave in.
What to do?

	BTW: I always wear a lid.  My bitch is requiring it.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >


	
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From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV (I wish... list)
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:51:35 GMT

In article <31132.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>> You can't have less noise w/out less sound pressure.
>
> You're missing the point slightly.  The modulation isn't the problem -
>it's the overall sound pressure.  That's why electronic gun muffs are
>plain old sound muffs; they just play the adjusted sound inside the
>muff.  Trying to use an open system and phase cancellation wouldn't work
>well.

You don't seem to understand the concept of "sound pressure."  It has
negative and positive components; this is what moves your eardrum in and
out.  If you line up the positive and negative components, they SUM to ZERO.
If you only accomplish this partially, as happens in the real world, overall
sound pressure is still REDUCED.  It does not hide in a corner of your ear
and wait to attack your unsuspecting eardrum.

The relatively open-element Sennheiser ANR headphones I've described
work quite well.  The problem of reducing steady-state noise is very 
different from that of attenuating very impulsive sounds like gunfire.
Perhaps this is what is causing your confusion.

> Acoustics 101.

Yes.  I recommend you take this, if you wish to continue debating this
topic.


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: infant crawlers banned (was:Helmets)
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:12:26 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:


>I caught part of a scary thing on the News last night.
>Turns out that Cannada has banned infant crawlers and the
>U.S. may do the same.  Why? Because X number (I can't remember
>28,000 mabey 2,800? anybody else see this spot) of babies are
>hurt (burned, braindamaged...) every year in this country.
>So the AMA (that's the medical one) is trying to get them banned.
>Even though in all cases it was due to parental neglect.
>
>I would have thought they would have started out with a Helmet
>law for infant crawlers.  I can see the balck market waiting in
>the wings now.  "Hey, babe..you with the tiwns, I can set you up
>with some tasty infant crawlers...just $200 for both!".  Man how
>long do you think it'll take the AMA to try the same thing with
>motorcycles. Because X number of die every year...
>
>Oh well, stock up on those infant crawlers and mabey you can make 
>the bucks for that moto you always wanted...do it now while you
>still can.

An aside about infant crawlers.  It turns out that they actually
retard a babie's learning to walk.  I forget the figure, but
it was nothing *enormous* (a couple of months?).

Guy on the radio said it best the other day.  Six months old
babies are designed to stay where you put them, they are not
designed to be mobile.

Like helmets, a personal choice, but I wouldn't use a walker.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:18:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.040048.750@pages.com> bigdog!jon (Jon Wright) writes:
>> Yes. PeltierEffect.  Same principle as a thermocouple, but runs in reverse.
>OK, for us dunces, can somebody explain the Peltier effect.

When two dissimilar conductors are joined (welded) and a current run through
the joint, teh differences in the number of free electrons in the two metals
result in one of them getting hotter than what resistive heating would allow 
for, and the other metal loses the exact amount of heat that "appears" on the
hot side of the chip in addition to resistive heating.  When current is run in
the opposite direction, both sides get hot.

The reference materials are at home, but the basics are pretty simple.
The major problem is that the efficiency of moving the heat is low.  You need
to draw a lot of current in order to cool something noticeably.  Like 100watts
to provide a 40degree F surface in a 90degree F environment (hot side ambient
air temperature).  40 degrees sounds really cold, but remember that you have to
deal with the temperature gradient between the chip and the surface to be 
cooled (your head) which is usually filled with something that is not a good
conductor of heat.  Like hair, the cloth helmet interior, and maybe that 
supposed bag of heat conductive fluid.

CP Tomes
ps this is the same chip used in the cooling stack on some clock-doubled
486s.
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From: rmt@pioneer.net.com (Richard Tweedie)
Subject: Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV (I wish... list)
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:07:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.170916.25722@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:
>Active suppression ear muffs have been used by shooters
>for a while (if we're talking about the same thing) the
>muffs have an amplifier that "cuts out" above a certain
>db level and then amplifies again once the ambient noise
>drops below the set level. They are expensive, in the area
>of $160.00 a pair and wont fit under a helmet (not even a
>Combat helmet). Now if you are talking about noise cancelling
>muffs where a noise pattern that is 90 deg out of phase is
>generated thereby cancelling out the incoming, those I have
>never seen
>-- 

THere are at least 3 manufacturers of active noise cancelling aircraft
head sets.  They range in price from a few hundered dollars to > $1000.
(And they work by putting out a signal ***180*** degrees out of 
phase at approximately the same level).   Telex makes one in the
medium price range.

Rich Tweedie
84 FJ-1100 @ ~55,000
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From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:45:42 GMT

For all you do it yourselfers, a question.

My K100 has heated grips; I didn't install them. So I don't know
much about shat's happening inside. The question: the main heating 
coils seem to be on the top/front, where your palm hits the grip.
Is there likely to be enough wire in teh bars to allow the grip to
be rotated so the wires are mainly under the finger area? Also, wh
atcan
(how, rather) do you think is the best way to loosenn the grips,
rotate 'em, and refis 'em?
-- 
Art Campbell          artc@world.std.com            72227.1375@compuserve.com
   DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
    "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
     and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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From: alex@csn.org (ALEX MATTHEWS)
Subject: Re: Locking the rear wheel. (Was: First ri
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:14:44 GMT

In article <1gqt8oINNfnb@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>After some parking lot practice, I determined the rear wasn't a whole
>lot of help, 

ED!  Did you ever post the results of your testing?  Just what does
"a whole lot of help" mean in numbers?  What variables were involved?
Better get off the party line, I'm waiting for an important call from
a friend about Honda's silly model-year designations.

-- 
- Alex Matthews  (new address: alexm.csn.org)

  "A typical Grand Prix race.  High noon.  Tension mounts.  Throttles clench."
                        Patricia Zonker, _Murdercycles_
From: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RAVI BUMPER STICKERS
Date: 19 Dec 1992 18:35:33 GMT
Organization: Woopie Tech
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivy.wpi.edu

mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
:-
:-A couple of months back, I sent money to you for the bumper sticker
:- "real women ride motorcycles" for my wife.
:-

    -------------------------------------------------------------
    TO ALL THOSE WHO SENT ME ENVELOPES WITH MONEY FOR STICKERS!!!
    -------------------------------------------------------------

    sometime late last month i posted a note explaining the situation. i
    did read the note and i assumed so could the rest of usenet. turns
    out that maybe that post did not get out of my site. here's the info
    again.

    i had sent a check to the people who make the stickers ordering more
    stickers and after waiting a while called them and discovered that
    it did not reach them. i have sent them another check and will
    hopefully be getting the sticker soon (they were delayed due to
    christmas, or so they say). i will keep you informed about the
    progress.

    i am truly sorry to all those who have been waiting patiently for
    the stickers and were hoping to get them before christmas. i doubt
    if i could get it out before then, but they will be with you as soon
    as possible.

    sorry again! can someone who reads this post outside of ma, please
    send me a note so i know it reached the world.

    peace,

    - ravi


-- 
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From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Durability
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:51:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) says:

>Why are bikes and cars so incredibly fragile?                                   
>                                                                                
>I mean, we would like to think that if we could get our bike or car, any        
>bike or any car, to say, 100,000 miles, without major problems we are           
>having a near mystical experience in reliability.  Bullshit.  At an             
>average of 50 mph, 100,000 miles is only 2000 hours of operation.               
>That's nothing compared to the reliability of many mechanical systems.          
>      

	My street rides::
	'78 GS750 - 80,000 miles - three valve jobs
	'75 BMW2002 - 160,000 miles - one motor rebuild, one body rework
	'85 Subaru wagon - 137,000. Nada
	'84 GMC S-15 4X4 - 125,000. Brand new long block.
	'81 Honda Passport (70cc) - 12,000. Nada

I guess you need to define reliable as none of these has been, to my thinking,
unreliable. Maintainence of large machinery sometimes includes more than
changing the oil. Sometimes it means new bearings or framjous joints. 
The crank braking in half on the GMC is the only time I ever got stranded
beside the road with any of these. I think that's pretty reliable.

By the way, do you always go 50?



                                                                    
-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.
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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re:  What's a click?
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:10:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.113838.13267@walter.cray.com>, kjberte@cray.com
(Kurt Bertelsen) writes:
|> >
|> >Normal to you. Most countries use metric. 'Clicks' is an expression
|> I use and
|> >hear all the time, although usually I've seen it spelled as
|> 'Klicks'.
|> >
|> >OBgetabikeEd. 8-)
|> 
|> My uncle, an ex-artillary sergeant,  once told me that "ckicks"
|> where
|> also used for artillary rangeing.  The adjustment mechanism made a
|> louder
|> click every 1000m of change so they could tell adjustments in the
|> dark.
|> 
|> 
 Close enough, a "klick" is military slang that started
back in the 60's when the military went to metric maps.
At least thats the first time I ever saw one, up till then
I thought "Shell" was the last word in maps :-)
It is 1 kilometer (or 1000 meters). 

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