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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center	
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:05:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.135016.26193@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>   Playgrounds ARE real life.
Maybe after hours.....

>   And you can't just sit there and hope that some "knight in shining
>   armor" will come and rescue you.  Not in real life.
You know I have noticed that knights in shining armor are sorta scarce.


> Self-defense and martial arts are just as important, if
>   not more so, for girls as for boys.  

Well I don't disagree with you from a theoretical approach, but as
a Martial Arts instructor I would like to point out that there a
a *lot* more boys taking training than girls.

My son Hunter is 8 and has trained for over three years, I have
tried to teach him to turn the other cheek... after all, if he can
take the throws, punches and kicks of the other brown belts at the
school, why worry about what an untrained person can do, just walk
or run away, or at most just stand there and block.

Stephen Northcutt
From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:59:09 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>I don't think I'll _ever_ feel grown up, but there are times when I
>definitely feel OLD, i.e.:

  - at an accident scene I'd stopped at, when the cops arrived and
    were all *younger* than me...

-- 
	Family values are a family matter, not a government one.
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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:50:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology

In article <LOWRY.92Oct7170735@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.162053.3664@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> >  
> > I don't see a lot of bullys man handling girls out on the
> > playground.  Your experience is probably different. As long as you
>
>Sure, girls don't get beat up that much in playgrounds.  But in real

  Playgrounds ARE real life.  Girls
  get beat up, and sexually harrassed.  Girls get their heads flushed
  in the toilet by other girls.  Girls get cigarette burns, earrings
  pulled, bit, scratched, punched, kicked.  Girls get beaten up by
  so-called boyfriends.  Girls get raped, molested, subject of catcalls
  and obscene language, threats, and occasionally killed for not going
  out with some guy.  (Just happened here in New Rochelle).  Lots
  of sexual harrassment occurs on school buses and in the school
  hallways and playgrounds.  Surprised?

  And you can't just sit there and hope that some "knight in shining
  armor" will come and rescue you.  Not in real life.  I've had a switch-
  blade pulled on me, my sister almost got abducted by some guys in
  a van.  Self-defense and martial arts are just as important, if
  not more so, for girls as for boys.  

>life women get beat up plenty.  As for feminism, it was and still is
>an important movement.  Women on the whole are far from having the
>opportunities that they deserve in this society, and they are
>subjected to a great deal of emotional and physical abuse, on a scale
>that dwarfs anything I have yet to see carried out toward the general
>male population.
>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: syoung@Cadence.COM (Scott Young)
Subject: Complete sentences
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:38:48 GMT

I have a question, A lot of the posts I have read indicate that children
around the age of 24-28 months speak in complete sentences. I have a 27
month old daughter , She speaks in complete sentences only when she is
talking to herself. She has a good vocabulary and can learn words and 
know the meanings on the spot , But should she really answer questions
asked by me in proper english ??? I know kids progress differently (My
sister in-law has a son the same age and he just started pronouncing 
basic word's (ball , cup , etc..). I try to teach her to talk in        
sentences and pronounce words correctly , But feel that I should/could
do more . Any tips out there in net land???

p.s. I am not saying that ALL the posts I have read suggest that their
children are speaking in complete sentences. Also when my daughter says
a string of words I can understand what she is saying. Is this what 
other people are doing , Interpreting (sp?) what their kids are saying
at 2 yrs. old?????????????????   


Again I'm just looking for some good hints on teaching , I feel it is
very important to spend time with her and teach her as much as I can.
I also enjoy it very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


sorry this went so long......

thanks,
Scott Young (22 with a 2 yr. old )(and loving it!!)

Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 03:03:58 EDT

In article <1992Oct6.172604.23239@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth
Breidbart) writes:

   > kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

        > So what are some of the other possible sayings?  Well one
        > was "Let's start a business."  Just as the kid has a 1:67
        > chance of getting the Barbie who
				   
   > It looks like Barbie isn't the only one who has
   trouble with > math...

Okay, yeah those figures look wrong now that I take a look at them, but I
was only quoting what was in the article my wife read to me, and I am a
certified math head.  I do math for fun.  You know how they talk about
people being so used to using calculators that they're too lazy to do math
with paper and pencil?  I do math with paper and pencil because I'm too lazy
to get up and look for the calculator.

I also have to agree with an earlier poster who said that for years his main
competition in math classes was female.  I was never aware of this problem
with women and math until someone pointed it out to me recently because the
population in my CP classes in high school was overwhelmingly female.  Maybe
I hung out with all the nerdy kids when I was in school.

Another poster mentioned how sometimes you have to bend over backwards to
kill a stereotype.  I can sort of understand that.  Being black I would have
a totally irrational reaction to a black talking doll that mentioned
something about fried chicken and watermelon, even though *I* happen to love
fried chicken (hate watermelon, though) and millions of *white* people like
both too.  And I hate to admit that I'd have a totally irrational reaction
to anything.

Oh yeah...my sister being an engineer may also have colored my perceptions
about women and math.

Okay...so how about a Barbie that *you* can program to say whatever you
want?  Then it's not Mattel's fault if they say something that's not
politically correct.

And by the way...I don't like poetry either, and it hasn't ruined my life.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,sci.med
From: LISAS@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Lisa S Lewis)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.011901.1709@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
 
>
>In article <1687ECA3E.LISAS@pucc.Princeton.EDU>, LISAS@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Lisa S Lewis) writes:
>> I know that most doctors don't believe in "brain allergies," but I really
>> have to wonder myself.
>
>The objection is not to your contention that milk or some other
>food may have an effect but to the use of the term "allergy" to
>describe this reaction.  An allergy is a very specific kind of
>reaction involving the immune system.  Your child's intolerance
>to milk could be due to a lactase deficiency, causing him to be
>unable to break down the sugar in milk, leading to diarrhea and
>abdominal pain.  This has nothing to do with the immune system.
>The words "allergy" and "intolerance" are not synonymous.
 
No, there was no lactose intolerance involved (or at least no symptoms
as I understand them.)  The baby never had stomach aches or diarrhea.
 
I am convinced that the culprit is something other than the lactose
in the milk.  For the time being, the baby is on soy formula.  My older
son (who also shows no signs of a lactase deficiency) is off dairy for a
few months, just to see if there is any change in skin condition or behavior.
 
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kim@m44.unm.edu
Subject: RE:When did you feel "grown-up"
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 23:03:27 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center, Albuquerque, NM
Reply-To: kim@m44.unm.edu

I'm 32 and I still don't feel grown up, even with a baby and mortgage.  Maybe
it's from the extended lead time between college and grad school.

My wife and I indulged in feeling grown up for an evening when we decided to
stay in a Hilton instead of the Econo-Lodge (Not to cast aspersions on
Econo-Lodge, BTW).

Daniel KIM

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: thacher@renbourn.unx.sas.com (Clarke Thacher)
Subject: Re: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:50:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

My ten year old daughter, Sara, has had a similar problem with fitting 
in at school and having various forms of ill treatment.  These problems
(in various degress of severity) went on for several years.  Things seem 
to be much better this year.

She is an only child and very smart, and as a result, she is much better 
at interacting with adults than her peers.  She also has a very strong
sense of what is "right".  Early on, some of the kids discovered that it 
was easy to bring her to tears, and they then were quick to exploit 
this weakness.

I tried to help her by telling her to ignore them, and try not to get
upset (since that was what they wanted), but the other kids kept up
the treatment.  I finally found a very child psychologist who worked
with Sara.  The therapist worked on improving Sara's assertiveness,
and encouraged her to confront her "opponents".  For example, if 
someone knocked her pencil on the floor, the therapist recommended
that Sara respond in kind, saying "Oh dear, your pencil fell."
The teacher was warned beforehand, that this was going to happen.
It took a while, but I think that the other kids learned that Sara
was not going to be pushed around.

As I said,  things are going much better this year, thanks in part
to the experience of last year.

BTW, I asked Sara for her recommendation, and she said that Eddie
should get permission from the teacher to go out into the hall with
the other kids, where he can confront them about his treatment.  I 
know that Sara did similar things last year.  Obviously this pre-
scription would only work after Eddie has more self-confidence and
assertiveness.  You might look around for a sympathetic therapist.

Good luck.
-- 
Clarke Thacher        OSRD/HIP Software Developer          SAS Institute, Inc.
thacher@unx.sas.com         (919) 677-8000    SAS Campus Drive, Cary, NC 27513
"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing
as Paranoia.  It's all true."  -- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:20:41 GMT
Reply-To: belize!millerj@steinmetz.UUCP (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development

In article <1992Oct6.170406.957@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>In article <6OCT199211190215@trentu.ca> bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:
>>They find that the research does NOT support denying food and fluids.
>>
>>Ben Wolfe
>
>I thoroughly expected to have my husband sneak me foods (at least
>fruit juice) during labour.  As it turns out, our hospital did allow
>juices, so I thought "well, we'll bring a few crackers to munch on."
>However, I find that when I'm in labour I start throwing up and the
>last thing I want is food or drink!  Note:  the nausea occurs before
>I have any drugs and before I hit transition.  So, there may be little
>demand from women (or at least, some women) for food during labour.
>
>How about it, anyone get hungry during labour?   Now, AFTERWARDS I was
>ravenous and the cafeteria was closed...
>
>Susan Gauch
>sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu

	I was induced at about 4 pm and was ready to eat anything that walked in
the door since I hadn't eaten since a light breakfast.  After about 1/2 hour
my hunger went away and the last thing I wanted was food.  I told the nurse
that all of a sudden I wasn't hungry anymore and she said that was a good
sign that the labor was starting which it did shortly.  I was thirsty tho.
I have several friend who ate lightly and got violently sick during labor
but considering they didn't know how long the labor would be it's hard to
know if you should try to eat something or not.  Afterwards, I drank about
2 quarts of cranberry juice and ate several muffins.  I was constantly
hungry for about 4 days and dropped 20 pounds during that time (including
the baby).

Julia
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: goguenm@ravel.udel.edu (Matthew L Goguen)
Subject: ADD and Resources
Keywords: THis is nuts.
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:37:03 GMT

  While individuals squabble over rasing of a child I'd like to here a bit
about how Holly and others managed to get through college with ADD.  I'm
21 and still trying to slug my way through Elec. Eng., not doing well at
the moment and it could cost me my admission.  I have noticed that Ritalin
worked well initally but A few key warnings were missed and I took 
Decongestants and Ritalin simultaniously.  I don't know if that has set
my tolerance for Ritalin at an elevated level or what, but now Ritalin is
not having the same effect as it use to when I first started taking it.
  I know ADD is real all four males in my family have it from my DAD to
  my youngest brother and I've seen what it can do in various circumstances.
(That also may explain the crazy squabbles from everyone else. :> )
Have fun hope to see some constructive feedback here. (Or e-mail if nothing
else.)
Matt G.
goguenm@ravel.udel.edu


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From: nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Going out to eat with a 2 year old
Date: 16 Oct 1992 21:01:58 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Oct16.202002.10213@novell.com> janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone) writes:
>I have the same restaurant problem with my 20-month-old. She
>just loves restaurants and wants to run among the patrons
>and offer them a fork dripping with some sauce. My solutions:
>
>--avoid restaurants until she's older
>--when I want a family restaurant experience, I take her to
>a restaurant that is very understanding and allows toddlers
>to roam. You know you're in the right place when a waiter walks
>up with a smile and offers you a basket of toys for the kid.

And you *really* know you're in the right place when the chef/owner's
grandchildren run out of the kitchen and drag your daughter back into
the kitchen to eat and play with them!  Alas, the restaurant was an
earthquake victim....
Also, no matter how awful your child is, a 25% tip will guarantee that
the staff will be happy to see you and your child again.  I don't know
about the other restaurant patrons -- perhaps you could buy them off
also 8-)
-nvv

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:45:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: crl.4843
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.184437.2950@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31) writes:
|> Robert E. McElwaine (who uses too many cap keys, no need
|> to shout we hear you fine) posts:

|> > HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
|> 
|> > "Christians" want to RE-IMPOSE prayer into the public 
|> >  schools, as well as in certain government ceremonies, etc.. 

[Some deleted]

|> As MC Hammer put it: Pray, you've got to pray just to make it
|> today.
|> 
|> > Parents who want their kids to openly and verbally pray 
|> > in school can send them to PAROCHIAL schools, as well as to 
|> > Sunday school, withOUT forcing it on others. 

This is rather like saying "I don't want someone else wearing a
yellow sweater around me.  I don't believe in yellow sweaters.  If
they want to wear a yellow sweater, they should work at the yellow 
sweater factory."

If a person wants to express themselves, even if it involves
prayer, they should be allowed to do so.  The separation of church
and state is not breached if someone prays outloud.  The school
doesn't approve or disapprove of it.  If a person wants to pray a Jewish
or Hindu or whatever prayer along with everyone else, fine.  If a
person wishes to refrain from the activity, fine.  Everyone does
what they want.  Everyone is free to do so.  Nobody is force to
pray.  Nobody is forced to not pray.

Praying outloud is not forcing it upon anyone else.  Just as posting
your views doesn't force your opinion upon someone else.  If you
feel uncomfortable because someone has a different viewpoint, welcome
to America!

|> Yeah!  Kinda reminds me of separate but equal  :-(

Whatever happened to tolerance, anyway?  The gays want it.  The non-
religious want it.  The new-agers want it.  The working and non-working
moms want it.  The smokers and non-smokers want it.  The fat (weight-
impared) and skinny want it.  But few are willing to _give_ it to those 
that are different, from what I can tell.

If you want your own liberties impared, go impare someone else's first.

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Daycare -- when to investigate?
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:27:23 GMT
Reply-To: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio

In article <2338@gandalf.intel.com> ariel@mom.uucp (Ariel Shattan) writes:
>
>My first child is due in January, and I intend to take full advantage
>of my company's liberal leave policies, but the time will 
>come when I'll need to install the little darling in a daycare
>situation and return to work.  
>
>What I'm wondering is, when do I start investigating childcare
>options?  Do I start now?  Do I start N months before I'll need the
>service? Does whether I'm able to return to work part time for a while
>(I don't know yet if I can) have any bearing on when I start looking
>for childcare?
>
My wife and I had plans to start investigating day care about three months
before our second child was born (she was home with the first one, but we 
knew we would need day care for at least the time she was in the hospital).
Well, wouldn't you know it -- she started into labor at six months, before
we hadd looked into any day cares. She ended up in the hospital for two 
months (having mild contraction almost the entire time, but that's another
story) before Justin was born. I ended up having to take Sarah to a day care
that was recommended by a friend. We had not had time to check it (or any
other places) out. One of the hardest things I have ever had to do was to
drop Sarah off that first day in the care of people we hadn't even met until
then.

I would suggest that you start looking into day care as early as possible.
You never know what might happen.


-Jim
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Far apart in age
Date: 8 Oct 1992 12:29:40 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


>Also I think your daughter will be so much more comfortable with you
>having a baby when she's 13.  She'll probably end up being a real help
>and a very caring sister.  My brothers' reaction when I was born and they

Not to mention the extra benefit from a prental point of view:  being a
teenager and having a baby sibling does wonders for awreness and birth
control.  When most girls are thinking how cute and adorable babies
are, and how they'd like to have one, your daughter understands the
work and responsibility it takes to do it right.

-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tammy.Vandenboom@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Subject: No Santa?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:22:32 GMT

When we were little, my sister and I were told the Santa story and told
it was just a fairy tale kinda like Cinderella (same with the tooth fairy anbd Easter Bunny)
and that some parents chose for their children to really believe it. Wre were
not to ruin it for other kids in our class.  On Christmas eve we read
"Twas the night before Christmas" and we also had a birthday cake with candles and everything
to celebrate Jesus' birthday.  It is a tradition we contionue today.  We always
loved it.

e
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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: YEA, Baby #3 ... Midwife Info
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:23:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

, stark@wam.umd.edu (Mike Stark) writes:
|> It is true that if you need a C-section, you had better enlist the services
|> of a surgeon.  If, however, you do not need one, I think you had better stay
|> as far a way from an OB as possible.

I just thought I'd point out that my OB tried very hard to avoid a
c-section for me (and succeeded), and wasn't the least bit interested
in cutting me open.

An attempt to induce labor wasn't progressing, and instead of pushing
the issue, I went home for the weekend, and we tried again
(successfully) the following week.  He wasn't on call the night I
delivered, but left instructions with the OB on call to call him in if
it looked as if a C-section would be necessary.  

I felt secure that if I had a C-section it would be due to medical
necessity.

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

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