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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:58:00 -0600
From:         Robert Helfer <kjolsrud@BONGO.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Suppressed hatred (Was: Re: More books and films)

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993, GEORGE BAUER wrote:

> UNahppily, it is true that there will always be hatred.  But I will settle
> for surpressed hatred, if the marines can prevent the killing resulting from
> openly expressed hatred.  Of course, I would prefer that all forms of
> hatred disappear, but at least some lives can be saved even if the hatred
> simmers below the surface.  And, if I understand the news correctly, the
> hatred in Somalia is against the irregulars who hold the power and the
> weapons used to kill and intimidate the people.

From the news reports I've read, the suppression of violence in Somalia
will last no longer than the Marines stay.  Even with the Marines there
the violence has not been totally suppressed.  And the people of Somalia
do not seem to want UN forces -- only the Marines will do.  So it seems to
be becoming a sort of Pax Americana, with the hatreds still there, but
hidden by the military forces of the United States.  It seems to me that
we've recently seen in Eastern Europe the effects of such a "peace", the
Pax Sovietica.  We in the West heard very little about any underlying
ethnic feuds, which were firmly suppressed by the Soviet military and the
secret police forces of the various Communist regimes.  The sudden
relaxation of these forces has revealed all the tensions and hatreds which
have lain hidden for some 50 years.  The suppression itself was ugly, and
the removal of the suppression has resulted in many places in equal (or
greater?) ugliness.  Obviously I don't know the answer to these problems,
but I don't believe that suppressed hatreds go away.  Suppressed hatreds
just crop back up when the force suppressing them goes away.  If people
are to live together in peace, the sources of the hatreds themselves must
be somehow resolved.  Perhaps there is more hope for such a resolution in
Somalia than in Bosnia, and I'm sure that some form of intervention is
necessary in order to stop the violence long enough for a resolution to be
found.  But suppression alone is not sufficient.

Robert S. Helfer                 /   La simplicite n'a pas besoin
University of Texas at Austin   /   d'etre simple, mais du complexe
kjolsrud@bongo.cc.utexas.edu   /   resserre et synthetise.  - A. Jarry
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:22:19 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: On Bosnia, and the Plight of Sarajevo, (#803)

Would smebody be able explain the following: if all the Serb occupied
regions in the Balkans were given autonomy (along with other ethnic
regions), these are areas the Serbs occupied in Croatia and B-H, then
would these areas form a contiguous region to be called greater Sbia,
or would they be separated by geography.

The reason I am inquiring about this is because if these regions are not
contiguous then that may be cuase enough for a later war for unification.

TNX,
Laci
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:46:51 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Balkan Wars

Ms. Richie:
The reference to "learning to hate at their mothers' knees" is not a
reference to mothers.  It is a reference to the manner in which
cultural and clan values are passed on from generation to generation.
Since you and many other mothers (and fathers too, I might add) teach
their children the love of humanity and of their fellow persons that
only prves my point of how so many cultural values are taught by
generations to generations.

On your second issue of wether women in the Balkans take part in the
battles in significant numbers I can only speculate: and I speculate
that they are taking part.  One reason I think so is because it has
been a tradition in the Balkans for women to take part in battles
along side with their men (see the accounts of Tito and his partizans).
The other reason for this speculation is that the Balkan war is more
like a guerilla war for the B-H people than an all out war such as
the Gulf war was.  In such guerilla wars entire families are uprooted
and find themselves with few other alternatives and join the fight.

It will be interesting to see what others on this list have read
or heard and what news on this subject war reporters will bring
back.

Laci Pook
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:54:36 EDT
From:         Hugh Agnew <AGNEWHL@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Czech-Sudeten Conflict (?)

I know I'm not technically a Central Europe contributor, and I hope one
of them will also reply.  I did look into some of these issues, however,
last Spring, when I was preparing a paper on Czech-German relations.  That
was at the time of the discussions surrounding the draft of the Friendship
treaty between the then CSFR and Germany, and the Sudetendeutsche Landsmann-
chaften were making a lot of noise then, too.  I formed the impression that,
though not a negligible political force in Bavaria, at least (where their
support of the CSU helps it maintain its dominance), the Sudetens in Germany
do not swing enough weight even in the CDU-CSU to get their platform accepted.
At least, that's how it was at the time of the Bundestag's ratification of the
treaty.

It was always a comment on the impending breakup of the CSFR federation that
now the treaty with Germany might be called into question.  It sounds to me
like that's the idea behind Neubauer's latest activities.

There are many other, more moderate voices among the Sudetendeutsch expellees
in Germany, as well.

Sincerely,

Hugh Agnew
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:38:02 GMT
From:         Moss Madden <JU39@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Books and Films Suggestions

On Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:19:57 CST Marcie Richie (RICHIMW@COM.NETWORK.NSCVM1)
said:

>The original books and films request certainly evolved into something else.
>I was a little disappointed in the response to the question. I didn't keep
>strict tally, but I don't recall any book suggestions. Five films were
>suggested: Closely Watched Trains, Intimate Lighting, Incredible Lightness
>of Being, The Music Box, and The Nasty Girl.


Incredible Lightness of Being is of course a book by Milan Kundera
as well as a film
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:40:28 CST
From:         U59611@UICVM.BITNET
Subject: Re: Books and Films Suggestions
              from Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>

         Please explain.  Who were those nailed by Stalin?  What were the
alleged nature of their transgressions?  Do any of their syncophants or
survivors stand a chance today?
                              Respectfully,
                                 Kelly Richter  U59611@UICVM
>   This is an inquiry about a film which supposedly exists: The Stalinist trial
> of the Czechs and Slovaks (Clementis, Slansky, etc.), 11 of whom were executed
>  was supposedly dealt with in a film whose name I can't remember. As far as I
> do remember, it may have been directed by a Greek film maker. I would very muc
>  like to get hold of a VCR copy of this film if it available (for a lecture) &
>  would be willing to pay a reasonable price for it. Any help and suggestions
> will be appreciated.
>
>   Henry Kucera, Brown University
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:32:24 CDT
From:         "SALLY KALIN (SWK@PSULIAS) 814-865-0672" <SWK@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      suggestions needed

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The Center for the Study of Higher Education, Penn State University, will
be conducting a nationwide study of the instructional uses of technologies
in postsecondary institutions. This study is being done for the
Corporation for Public Broadcasting. For the first time, some of the focus will
be on the use of such technologies in libraries.

         I am assisting the Center in identifying academic libraries that are
leaders in library automation, especially those libraries that work closely
with other campus units, such as Distance Education, Academic Computing,
Teacher education, Telecommunications, etc.

Currently we need to identify those institutions that have made
significant progress in library automation and for which the HIGHEST
degree awarded is:

        Associate degree (junior colleges, community colleges, etc.)

        Bachelor's Degree

If you know of any institutions that fit into these categories, please send
me an e-mail message. If there is enough interest, I will be glad to
summarize for PACS-L. Many thanks!


Sally Kalin
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Computer Based Resources & Services Team
Penn State University Libraries
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:54:06 CDT
From:         "Lee Jaffe,
              Microcomputer & Network Services" <jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Novice vs. Expert vs. Compression

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FTP is part of the standard that defines the Internet.
If you are talking about access via the Internet, FTP
is standard enough.

-- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:12:38 CDT
From:         "Peter Graham, Rutgers U., (908) 932-2741" <GRAHAM@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: December Hunt Results, Pt. 1 of 3

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archie may not be from the comic book character, but now we have veronica
which shifts the locus in that direction.  I'm waiting for the tool
called jughead.
             From:  Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:48:34 CDT
From:         Jim Bingham <LBU05@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      group memberships to CompuServe, Prodigy, etc.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
     Has anyone succeeded in negotiating a discounted group membership
for use of any of the major online information services (CompuServe,
Prodigy, GEnie, etc.) for faculty, students, or any other constituency
of an academic institution?  I'd appreciate particulars.  Many thanks.

                   Jim Bingham
                   lbu05 @ ukanvm
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:30:42 CDT
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu>
Subject:      ASKERIC New Address (fwd)

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                       ***  TO ALL K-12 EDUCATORS  ***


                  ***  A NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR ASKERIC  ***



ASKERIC now has a new e-mail address: askeric@ericir.syr.edu

Please use this new address when you send messages and questions to
ASKERIC.

ERIC is...
The Educational Resources Information Center (ERIC) is a
federally-funded national information system that provides access to
an extensive body of education-related literature.  ERIC provides a
variety of services and products at all education levels.

ASKERIC is...
ASKERIC is a question-answering service for teachers, library media
specialists, and administrators.  Anyone involved with K-12
education can send an e-mail message to ASKERIC.  Drawing on the
extensive resources of the ERIC system, ASKERIC will respond with an
answer within 48 working hours.  If you have questions about K-12
education, learning, teaching, information technology, educational
administration - ASKERIC.

In the first six weeks of service, ASKERIC has answered hundreds of
questions.  Highlights include helping:

* A reading teacher locate information on a particular instructional
technique.

* A school computer teacher find information on computer software
copyright laws.

* A high school teacher use the Internet as a source of
teaching/learining materials for his school.

* A school administrator find information on student testing.

* A school librarian learn how to conduct ERIC database searches via
the Internet.

If you have an education-related question, ASKERIC will provide an
answer.  To ASKERIC, e-mail your question(s) to:

                          askeric@ericir.syr.edu


Andrew Abrahamson
Network Information Specialist
Internet: askeric@ericir.syr.edu

ERIC Clearinghouse on Information Resources
030 Huntington Hall
Syracuse University
Syracuse, New York 13244-2340
Voice: (315) 443-9114
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:36:37 CDT
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Subject:      Macintosh & New Media (PubRadio)

From: Harry Goodman <goodman@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Macintosh & New Media (PubRadio)

The following is a description of just one edition of our
ongoing public radio series.  It's being posted to LIBRARY,
PACS-L and LIBREF-L in the hope that members of the library
community will contact their local public radio station and
request REGULAR WEEKLY local broadcast of the series.  ALL
PROGRAMMING IS AVAILABLE FREE TO SATELLITE INTERCONNECTED
PUBLIC RADIO STATIONS.
================================================================
        TOPIC: Macintosh & New Media

        HOST: Harry Goodman

        CONFIRMED GUESTS:

        FRANK CATALANO, Author
        _When Dinosaurs Ruled The Airwaves_

        CHRISTOPHER YAVELOW, Author
        _Macworld Music and Sound Bible_

        Personal computers and communications technologies are
revolutionizing the way news and entertainment are created,
distributed and consumed.  The effects of these technologies
are just beginning to be realized.
        In this Saturday's (1/9/93) edition of Your Expanding
InfoSphere: CommonSense ComputerTalk we'll take a focused look
at this week's MacWorld Exposition (San Francisco) and see
just what the Macintosh world can offer consumers in gaining
greater control and choice in their News and Entertainment.

LIVE call-ins will be accepted from approx 1530-1550 ET via
show line: 800/231-8255.

SATURDAY NEWS:  PRIVACY/ENCRYPTION

        We're working on a special report pointing to an
attempted government coverup in this area.  STAY TUNED

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:21:45 CDT
From:         krit@merit.edu
Subject:      Merit Networking Seminar

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Please feel free to pass along this announcement to other
interested parties.

Regards,
Kristen Lofquist
Merit/NSFNET Information Services

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                       Merit Network presents
                     A Merit Networking Seminar
                         March 15-16, 1993
                    San Francisco Airport Hilton

Are you and your users interested in learning more about the worldwide
Internet?  Merit Network's popular seminar series, "Making your Internet
Connection Count" is intended for administrators, teachers, consultants,
writers, and librarians who want to begin exploring the Internet.

Featured speakers include:
  Tom Grundner, creator of the Cleveland Freenet
  Jeff Masters, creator of the U-M weather underground
  Jean Armour-Polly, Director of Information Services; NYSERNET, Inc.
  Paul Evan Peters, Executive Director, Coalition for Networked Information

A special feature will be a panel of WAIS, archie, and Gopher experts:
  George Brett, National WAIS Clearinghouse
  Alan Emtage, co-creator of archie
  Mark McCahill, Gopher project leader

An optional hands-on tutorial of using Internet resources will be offered
at Stanford University for an additional fee.

The cost of the 1 1/2 day seminar is $395 ($495 after February 24).  The
additional cost for the hands-on tutorial is $150.

A text-only (ASCII) version of the brochure is available electronically.
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 1) use Anonymous FTP to nic.merit.edu and get the file
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    first line of text should read
      get seminar.brochure.march93
 3) use a Gopher client to connect to the Merit Network gopher server
    on nic.merit.edu port 70 and select "Merit Networking Seminar"

For a hardcopy brochure or more information, please send e-mail to
seminar@merit.edu or call (313)-936-3000.  See you in San Francisco!
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:53:37 CDT
From:         "Rhonda J. Marker" <MARKER@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject: Summary: Full-text journals on CD-ROM

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This message has been cross-posted to AUTOCAT, PACS-L, and SERIALST.

Three weeks ago I asked how other libraries decide which full-text
journals on CD-ROMs they catalog, and what criteria they use to make
that decision.  I received 8 replies, including replies form four
libraries that currently catalog full-text journals on CD-ROMs.  1
correspondent replied that it is the public service unit's decision to
catalog full text journals received on CD-ROM; 1 said it would be the
selector/bibliographer.  Four correspondents implied that the decision
was made/would be made to catalog all such titles.  No one told me not
to catalog them!

There were several recommendations for how to catalog these titles.
Three solutions were suggested at a recent ACRL,NEC,Cataloging Problems
workshop:  1) Make a minimal record using your local system for each
title.  The Location would be the CD-ROM reader in Reference;  2) Make
an added entry for each title on a "parent record;"  3) List each title
in a contents note on a "parent record."  Another savvy respondent
suggested asking the vendor to also provide cataloging copy in machine
form as part of the basic package for the CD-ROM.

One library has cataloged the CD-ROM "edition" of Business periodicals
ondisc (BPO) and General periodicals ondisc (GPO) on their paper copy
record, while another library has separately cataloged the approximately
400 BPO titles.  Another library that does not catalog their journals
has added the full-text journals from the ProQuest workstations to their
periodicals holdings list.

There are a few problems.  The coverage of full-text titles on some
services varies (e.g., coverage on Computer Select varies monthly).  And
is cataloging a title on a CD-ROM different from cataloging a journal we
access through the Internet or online services?

Thanks to all who responded.  It's nice to know that there are some
brave souls out there who are not only talking about this, but are doing
it!

Rhonda Marker
Technical & Automated Services
Rutgers University Libraries
Bitnet:  marker@zodiac
Internet:  marker@zodiac.rutgers.edu
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:19:59 CDT
From:         Alan Emtage <bajan@bunyip.com>
Subject:      Re: December Hunt Results, Pt. 1 of 3
              (908) 932-2741"'s message as of Jan  4, 16:12

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> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> archie may not be from the comic book character, but now we have veronica
> which shifts the locus in that direction.  I'm waiting for the tool
> called jughead.
>              From:  Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries

Your wish is somebody's command :-) Sun Microsystems has an internal
equivalent of archie called "jughead".... which has nothing to do with
us. It is used to index the contents of Sun's (firewalled) internal
archives for their own use. As I said before, we should have taken just 5
more minutes and gotten it right <sigh>.




--
-Alan

+1 (514) 398-8117
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:51:37 CDT
From:         baskin lester <whart01@ccsg.tau.ac.il>
Subject:      Announcement/Newsletter for Fee-Based Service

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I am at the beginning stages of establishing a fee-based information
center at the Tel Aviv University Grad School of Business Management. I
would like to know if anyone has any hints/tips/techniques for managing
such an animal.

I am at the point of announcing our existence and the availability of our
services to the local university community.  Would anyone be willing to
share your experiences?  Especially a copy of a written announcement
proclaiming a new fee-based information center?

Does anyone use a newsletter.  Would anyone be willing to share current
and/or past/future copies?  Be able to discuss their experiences with a
newsletter?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Lester Baskin
Internet:  whart01@ccsg.tau.ac.il
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