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From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Subject: No Substance (Was: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:30:20 GMT


>In article <1992Sep2.182436.16230@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes...
>>In article <1992Sep2.152040.17911@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
>>> 
>>>Nebraska is a good team - but not a GREAT team - right now anyway.
>> 
>>Good, you are half way there. Now if you could accept the GREATness of CU...
>> 
>>>Husker Henderson  aka Nebraska Marty
>> 
>>Njan

Geez Njan, stop the stupid cheerleading alredy and converse with a little
logic. Empty/idiotic statements like you make are really sickening (I would
imagine they are sickening to some CU fans also). They are empty and void of
any substance. At least I'm TRYING to look at things with 20/20 vision . You
just continue to spew out worthless statements based on very little but your
own over-enthusiasm and tunnel vision such as "Now if you could accept the
GREATness of CU...". Give me a break. I'm begining to think that you have no
depth of knowledge about this game at all. Perhaps you should put on a
cheerleaders dress and prance around Boulder.

Face it - Neither team is in the top-10! Plain and simple. No Big-8 team
finished in the top-10 last year. Only 3 Big-8 teams went to bowls, only 1
played in a major bowl, and 2 of those 3 lost in their bowl. That is not
"greatness".

You seem to continue to think that CU has a wrap on the Big-8 as if it's a
given that YOUR team will win hands down. How stupid! NU, OU, and CU all have
about an equal shot at it this year and the Kansas teams have improved as well.
That why this could be a really exciting year in the Big-8. 

Look at last year, your 'mighty' CU buffs went down to the wire with a few
traditional Big-8 doormats. They earned that tie for the conference
championship with Nebraska by the narrowest of margins. The same thing could
happen this year to any of the "big-3".

You might as well come down off your pedistal in the clouds and stop your
preaching. That is IF you have the maturity. No one listens to that kind of
garbage anyway. Talk with the rest of in a logical manner - OR just shut up
about it on the net please. You can walk down to a local Boulder mall, stand on
a soapbox, and preach away about the "greatness" of the CU Buffalos. You would
probably get your audiance there in "Liberalville USA".

We shall see you on Halloween at Lincoln !!!

Husker Henderson "Nebraska Football - A Winning Tradition"

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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: LSU/A&M Spread?
Organization: ^$
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:38:50 GMT

 Has anybody seen the line on this game? If so, please post it. Thanks.


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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: DuBose
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:13:30 GMT

Susan E Schudt writes:

>According to CNN DuBose (ND middle linebacker) received a 2 game
>suspension (Northwestern and Michigan).

And thus spake the NCAA, "Presenteth thyne hand for slapping . . ."

     - Pat
.
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From: steve@novaeng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame, Michigan and other stuff
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:58:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.151251.12201@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@goethe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
|> 
|> What in the world are you babbling about?  Miami's academic standards had nothing
|> to do with not starting up a new series with them.  I don't think it was a
|> question of avoiding a crushing defeat either ... ND beat Miami two out of the last
|> three times they played.  [Nickelodeon reference deleted]     

Babbling?  Hardly.  Simply recalling the facts.  When the announcement was made
that the series would be discontinued, the newspaper in the Detroit area
reported the Notre Dame athletic department as citing Miami's "lower academic
standards" as the reason for choosing other teams to play.  It's so funny,
I couldn't possibly make that up.  Needless to say, the Michigan Daily had
a field day with that one.

|> As for ND playng the mighty wolverines ...  Why is Michigan discontinuing
|> the series with ND for a few years.  Could it be that the mighty Wolverines
|> desperately want a shot at the National Championship and are sick of losing
|> the opening game of the season to the mighty Irish.  Or could it be that Michigan's
|> low academic standards don't even warrant a game with the Irish. :) :)
|> 
|>    - Rob

That's certainly news to me.  I've seen the schedules through 1994, which are
the only ones completed to my knowledge because of the Big Ten additions,
and Notre Dame is on each of them.  For your information, Notre Dame does not
have a higher academic standard than Michigan.  I scouted both schools before
I entered college, and was surprised to learn that Notre Dame's academics are
based largely on institutional reputation.  Has anyone seen the US News &
World Report rankings for this year?

IMHO, Michigan doesn't deserve a national championship if they don't play good
programs like Notre Dame.  BTW, Notre Dame still trails 14-9 in the series.

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From: dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford?
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:41:08 GMT
Organization: Organization?  Who cares?  You just gotta say "Go Bears!"
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In-reply-to: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov's message of Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:15:59 GMT

In article <BtnBMo.CnB@news.larc.nasa.gov>, 
	mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:

   Is the internet down at Stanford?

   Its been awfully quiet on the left coast...

The Internet at Stanfraud is up; in fact, most of the Bay Area gets
gatewayed through there.

We haven't heard from Adam Elman and the rest of the Stanfraud crowd
mostly because they aren't down there.  They don't start classes for
about a month, being on the quarter system.

David Paschich
GO BEARS
Bill who?
From: randy@foxacres2.Corp.Sun.COM (Randall Von Feldt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Need Stanford/Notre Dame Tix
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:24:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: randy@foxacres2.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: foxacres2.corp.sun.com

Greetings,

I am going to be in South Bend for the Cardinal/Irish game and am having
a hard time finding tickets.  

Is there a Notre Dame ticket office I could call for tickets?  Stanford's tickets
are sold out.

Please email if you have any information.

Thanks

Randy Von Feldt
randy.vonfeldt@corp.sun.com
From: dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trojan News
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:44:25
Organization: Organization?  Who cares?  You just gotta say "Go Bears!"
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In-reply-to: bkowal@aludra.usc.edu's message of 2 Sep 92 22:38:25 GMT

In article <laagj1INNbar@aludra.usc.edu>, 
	bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) writes:

   In responce to Bill's comment:

   >  And let me guess, at the Notre Dame Game the USC band will have played
   >  their "Tribute to Troy" song one billion times.

   >  "That is the only song you know...
   >  it's boring and it's slow...
   >  We really wish you'd go."

   You know it's interesting.  I had a friend that went to the school of
   fruits and nuts (Cal).  She had never heard the SC fight song until
   the SC vs Cal game.  After hearing the song a few times during the
   game she had it pretty well memorized.  Yet on the other hand the new
   SC freshman did not remember anything about the Cal band.  Come to
   think of it, I've asked Cal students if they knew their fight song -
   most said no.  Kinda impressive, being able to sing the opposing teams
   fight song on que, but not knowing your own...

It's not that surprising.  The Trojan "band" only knows one song, and
so has no choice other than to beat it into you.  Whereas the Cal Band
knows several, and plays a variety.  Big C, Sons of California, The
Cal Drinking Song, etcetera.  Even the Time Warp.  I think the
students you talked to were just confused; they didn't know which song
was actually the fight song.

   I still find it interesting that Russell White wanted to come to USC,
   but was not accepted due to poor academic standing.  Of course Cal
   took him as quick as possible...

Because Cal took the trouble to find out _why_ his academic progress
was so bad, and helped him solve the problem.  He's now got a better
GPA than I do, for christ's sake.

   Also, I seem to remember in 1983 I think

   USC 66
   Cal 0

I guess after a 3-8 season you'd have to console yourself with ancient
history.

David Paschich
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From: steve@novaeng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: To all rabid Aggie fans
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:01:10 GMT

Personally, I think that A&M had better start worrying about their next
real team on their schedule (whoever that is, taking the SWC into
account, and perhaps find a quarterback who can hit a pass while in the
pocket.  It's great how Granger came back in the second half and was hitting
his passes on the run, but in order to be effective, he's got to be a more
consistent pocket passer from what I've seen of him.

Their defense was excellent after the first drive.  Can't say too much was
wrong there, but most people expected that.

Tell you what.  I'll trade Todd Collins (U-M backup behind Grbac) for a
couple of those outside linebackers you've got down there.  Collins is
probably the best backup in the country -- and I know about Brunell and
Hobert in Seattle.

[And I do hope they beat Texas, I never liked Johnny Mackovic]

Yours in pigskin mania,

Steve.
(University of Michigan '92)

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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: Arizona State QB Bret Powers Quits, looks to Ohio State
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:20:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.095455.3842@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.192504.11999@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>, kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>> 
>>      Last year's starting quarterback for Arizona
>> State, junior Bret Powers, quit Friday several
>> days after first-year head coach Bruce Snyder
>> chose redshirt freshman Garrick McGee to start
>> at QB this year.
>> 
>>      It appears likely Powers will enroll at Ohio
>> State.  After sitting out a year due to transfer,
>> he feels his chances will be good to earn the
>> starting job there for his senior year since
>> right now OSU has only a senior quarterback for
>> this year and a redshirt freshman for backup.
>
>	Unless Hoying proves to be a dud, he'll be sorely disappointed.

Well it'll be nice to have a "proven" backup for Hoying.  They'll
need some QB depth next year.  I don't think Hoying will turn
out to be a dud.  We should see some of Hoying in the early
games this year and be able to get a better idea, though.

>
>>      I sure hope Snyder knows what the hell he's
>> doing.  Freshman McGee goes up against big bad
>> Washington this Saturday for his first collegiate
>> snap.
>
>	Sounds like Kent Graham.  Definately NOT something OSU should repeat.

Amen.  Speaking of Graham, I understand he made the Giants cut yesterday
and is on the team (at least temporarily).  I am continually
amazed at former OSU QBs who just didn't seem like pro-material are
making it in the pros (Tupa, Graham, etc.).

david

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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Trojan News
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:00:54 GMT

In article <laagj1INNbar@aludra.usc.edu> bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) writes:
>In responce to Bill's comment:
>
>>  And let me guess, at the Notre Dame Game the USC band will have played
>>  their "Tribute to Troy" song one billion times.
>
>>  "That is the only song you know...
>>  it's boring and it's slow...
>>  We really wish you'd go."
>
>You know it's interesting.  I had a friend that went to the school of
>fruits and nuts (Cal).  She had never heard the SC fight song until
>the SC vs Cal game.  After hearing the song a few times during the
>game she had it pretty well memorized.  Yet on the other hand the new
>SC freshman did not remember anything about the Cal band.  Come to
>think of it, I've asked Cal students if they knew their fight song -
>most said no.  Kinda impressive, being able to sing the opposing teams
>fight song on que, but not knowing your own...
>
>I still find it interesting that Russell White wanted to come to USC,
>but was not accepted due to poor academic standing.  Of course Cal
>took him as quick as possible...
>
>Also, I seem to remember in 1983 I think
>
>USC 66
>Cal 0
>
>Fight On!
>
>Brian A. Kowal
>
>
>
>

I can't believe I am coming to the defense of Cal, but here I go.
The reason that any student fromANY team in the Pac 10 can sing the Trojan
fight song is because the USC band plays it on every first down when they're
on offense, and on every tackle when they are on defense.  About the only time
they don't play it is when the other team scores.  So, they probably played i
less often last year.  Perhaps they should learn some new material.

As for Russel White, I must admit I made many similar comments when he was
first signed by Cal.  But it has turned out that Russel had a simple learning
disability.  He has overcome it and is going to graduate this year.  He'll
probably keep his diploma next to the Heisman Trophy.

Jason Gische
From: tgrant@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: One of the A&M Stanford threads
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:35:16 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute


>John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322 (lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com) wrote:
>: and don't forget the bad call by the ref's giving A&M an interception on a 
>: play that had both pass interference and an interception after the
>: ball clearly bounced off the ground.  It certainly broke A&M's string   
>: of starting with poor field position in the 2nd half.
>
>John -


Scott Harper (scott@ods.com) wrote:

>This play was clearly a bad call, but clearly had no effect on the
>outcome of the game.  Are we already starting to hear Stanfurd's
>excuses?

Aren't bad calls part of the game?  Depending on your point of view the
personal foul for a late hit on the opening drive might have been a bad
call?  And besides the poor interception call didn't move the ball 60+
yards and into the endzone.  Sure it helped and was a lucky break but
the Aggies were not the only ones picking up trapped balls and jumping
on dead balls.  They just got away with it.

It was a great defensive game.  Stanford showed a defensive style very
similar to A&M's with a lot of pressure in the backfield.  Stanford also
did some smart things to take some of A&M's physical edge away, such as
anticipating the snap counts.  A&M's inability to pass enabled Stanford
to gamble more and put more players on the line.  I think we saw two of
the top defenses in the nation play and the result was an exciting game,
course I like good defenses more than offenses.

I was most impressed offensively with Stanford's Milburn.  Although
he did not rush for 100 yards, he seemed to be the most consistent player
on the field and did very well against a stingy defense.  His punt returns
were impressive too, he did get over 100 all purpose yards.  Certainly
someone to watch.

TSGrant Texas A&M '89 '91
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bill Walsh can NOT beat the Aggies!
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:28:24 GMT
 <DPASSAGE.92Aug28010449@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
 <17mescINNc2u@agate.berkeley.edu> <BtqF1D.tD@encore.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <BtqF1D.tD@encore.com>, jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) says:
>Not this conference thing again.  Conferences don't win NC's, teams do.
>Washington won a NC last year, but the Pac-10 didn't get a NC ring.
>Conferenes should count all games for the title, then we wouldn't want
>our little conferences buddys to win any games before we win the title.
>Just like in the NFL.

     C'mon, man, wake up and smell the Rose Bowl.  Any time a Pac-10 team
contends for a MNC there are always folks who sit back and smugly say, "Yeah,
but who did they play?  Oregon State?"  If Pac-10 teams can make really
strong nonconference showings then they can earn a lot more respect for
escaping conference play alive.  Trust me, the Berkeley guy wasn't rooting
for Stanford in the Pigskin Classic because he loves the Farm; he just
knows that a Cal victory in Big Game would look more impressive if Stanford
spends the regular season beating up on everyone else.

Brett
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From: steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:42:31 GMT

Like I said a while back, I believe that Texas A&M has some deeply-rooted
problems.  A pass-catcher out of the backfield would be a godsend for them, to
be sure.  However, a quick fix to that would be better offensive line play.
I still can't believe that the line couldn't allow Greg Hill to run for more
than two yards per carry.  He's a great back.

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From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Va Tech and UVa predictions
Keywords: beat the `hoos
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:18:19 GMT


Thanks to Charlie for the fine ACC predictions.  I am not ambitious
enough to give a Big East report - I will leave that to Bob or Tim.

But I will go out on a limb for Va Tech and UVa.

VIRGINIA TECH vs James Madison

VT plays a team that was knocked out of the 2nd round of I-AA 
playoffs (9-4).  This game will be close early but the hokies
should easily put it away.

VT is without Bo Campbell, the nations leading punt returner
from last year, and a shoulder injury makes him questionable
for the entire year.

This games real importance is the test of QB Maurice DeShazo.
All eyes will be on him.

VT 31 JMU 17

VIRGINIA vs Maryland

The wahoos will be looking to see how their new QB pans out 
also.  Virginia should win easily, though they should have won
easily the last 2 times...  This will probably a game full
of errors - but, unfortunately, the terps will run out of luck.

UVa 21 MD 17  (pretty much in agreement w/ Charlie)

Michael Nelson

Go Hokies!  Go Terps!
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