HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A Bomb in the Post
Date: 2 Jan 1993 01:43:21 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Okay, make sure you have the latest version of the AHDI utilities, 
(not sure which version).  Make sure you have FOLDRXXX.PRG installed
in the boot (Recommend setting it to at LEAST FOLDR300.PRG).

Using these two, should fix most problems.  (If it will work, it would
be best to use the ICD utilities instead of AHDI, as they are updated
more often - and do more - whether it will work on your Hard-Drive
(the SH204) remains to be seen!

Anything dated prior to 1988 - try and find an update!!  
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:05:30 GMT
Subject: A Bomb in the Post
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

I have a problem which might appeal to the older Atari user. It is a
bug which has been driving me nuts for years, and if I don't get a
fix I'm going to fill my hard disk full of gunpowder and mail it to
Atari.

First, the system. It is one of the "black brick" 520s with external
power and an external floppy. It has been upgraded to 1 Mbyte. It has
been completely, utterly reliable in every respect EXCEPT for the

Atari SH204 Hard Disk which I have had for several years, but rarely use
because there is a bug in the system software which results in a partition
being completely buggered on a regular basis. The symptom is that
all the filenames become something like "zzzzzzzz.zzz", and most
of the files are completely filled with garbage. I have to zero the
partition to resume. It has happened on all my partitions at one time or
another. It has happened three times today. 

I am using the Atari supplied AHDI Hard Disk driver, dated 16th. June
1986. Is this the well known 40 folder problem? I am using an Atari
supplied utility to add an additional 100 folders, and despite taking
reasonable precautions to avoid encountering folders, I still get this bloody
bug.

If this stirs a flicker of a memory, and you know of a fix, please let
me know, and I'll donate some money to Greenpeace ;-)

Colin Low
From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 Monitors/resolutions/colors/cards?
Date: 2 Jan 1993 15:48:04 +0100
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de

afonseca@terapin.com (Alberto Fonseca) writes:

>Hi everyone.. I have a couple of questions about the Falcon 030 and the use of
>monitors for it..

>I read that it was compatible with all VGA montiors, as well as the ATARI
>monitors and TV's, etc.. What I wanted to know is if it makes a difference, or
>how the computer reacts to larger monitors, or different resolution monitors.. 
>Like a Multisync 5D, or a 19" monitor in color.
>Does the size of the monitor change the amount of colors?  Does the computer
>automatically adapt to the reslotuion of a big screen monitor?  I am talking
>about true color mode.

The resolution that appears after boottime depends on 2 things:
- The adaptor that is plugged in the FALCONS's monitor-port
- The resolutions you have choosen in the desktop.
All important resolutions can be displayed on all types of monitors (but
sometimes only interlaced). So it does not matter which monitor is connected
(14inch or 21inch for example, RBG or VGA and so on...)

>In true color mode, does this mean the bigger the monitor the more colors?  If
>not, what is the limit of colors/pallete?  And are they developing any cards to
>use with the Falcon for 24 bit color or 32 bit color?  Can the Falcon use a
>card to give it 16.7 Million colors on a 14' monitor?

The size of the monitor does never influence the amount of colours you can
use. In TrueColor you have 32768 colors from 32768 colors, in other modes
you can use 256 colors from 262144 colors. The FALCON has an internal
slot for different kinds of extensions.
 
>When buying a Falcon 030, does bigger mean better?  The Falcon Screenblaster
>card, is 800x600 I think, but how many colors..

As far as I know the same amount of colours, but more pixel and/or higher
refresh-rates (70Hz and more). (I'm talking about the OverScan-Card)

>I think they should make like a 1280x1280 16.7 million color card.. or
>something real high rez in order to compete or out-do the graphics on other
>platforms.

For TV/Video-applications 640x400 plus Overscan is exactly the right
resolution. Resolutions of 1280x1280 are only sensible on 21ich
monitors ($3000 and above :-)) I know some PC-freaks using 1100x800
on 15inch monitors. Normally the fonts they use are also only 16x16 pixels,
so they look like 8x8 on a normal resolution. I think that's crazy, but
they love it... 
-- 
Harald Schoenfeld (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)
From: rchan@terapin.com (Ronald Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: *.Z compression
Date: 27 Dec 92 12:07:24 PST
Organization: BBS

Does anyone know if there is a utility that will extract *.Z compressed files
on the ST?  I see a  few of them on umich archives.  I am a total novice about
the Internet, so bear with me while I ask dumb questions okay?


|| Ronald Chan [rchan@terapin.com]
|| A Pocket Knight  *-{-----------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Setting SCSI # and LUN #
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:41:07 GMT

In article <1gudr6INNm83@tamsun.tamu.edu> lehmann@cs.tamu.edu (Mark A Lehmann) writes:
>I would like to change the SCSI and LUN # on my Supra 20 Mg hard drive.
>My father graciously bought me a ICD/Quatum drive to replace my destroyed
>Supra 60MG drive.  Now I want to occasionally connect my 20Mg drive to 
>my ICD/Quantum drive to backup my data.  Does anyone know how to change
>the Supra drive so that I can boot with the ICD/Quantum drive and then
>later turn on the Supra 20Mg drive to backup some data?

The SCSI ID number is usually set by manually moving a jumper on the
hard drive's controller board. If the drive is an embedded-controller type,
then you probably can't change the LUN at all, it's hardwired as zero. You
need to open up the case, see what kind of physical drive is present, and
then find the manufacturer's data sheet for that drive to get the required
configuration info. (Just saying "Supra" doesn't tell anything; Supra and ICD
and all the other companies that sell pre-packaged hard drives just buy bare
drives from any number of sources, tack on their host adapter, and then mount
it inside a case. Your "Supra 20 MB" drive could be a Seagate, Miniscribe,
Micropolis, or one of a few dozen other mechs. If it's not an embedded
controller type, then it probably has an Adaptec SCSI controller, but that
could be for MFM or RLL drives, etc. etc....)
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

There's a narrow border between genius and insanity, but I'm a dual citizen.
From: lehmann@cs.tamu.edu (Mark A Lehmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Supra 20 Meg Hard Drive for Sale
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:47:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: solar.tamu.edu

Well, I am going to sell or trade my Atari Supra 20 Meg hard drive.
It's portable, reliable (no failures or bad sectors), and show box size.
It has a SCSI out so that it can control other hard drive for expansion.

Reason for selling.  My father just bought me a 128Mg drive and I want
to use the cash from the 20 Meg drive to buy another ST peripheral.

Here is my selling price: $135 you pay shipping.  I'll send you a contract
saying that I'll refund your money if you are dissatisfied with the
product.

Also, I am selling DESKCART! which is a catridge clock plus software in
ROM.  It is quite nice, but I now have a hard drive with a built in clock
so I don't need the DESKCART! clock and I have other desktop utilites
to do what DESKCART! does. 

Selling price for DESKCART! : $20

Bundled DESKCART! and Hard Drive $140.

Now for the trade part.

I'll trade the hard drive and DESKCART! for:
 - A working sound digitizer
 - A monochrome Atari ST monitor
 - $135 worth of software (like Caligrapher with options, Neodesk 3 and
   programming development kit, or some other type of useful tool.  I am
   needing a good drawing program with postscript output)

Send inquires to lehmann@cs.tamu.edu

--
Mark Lehmann                      Senior Texas A&M University
lehmann@cs.tamu.edu               UPE Honor Society - Vice President
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch)
Subject: n890421 (KA9Q for the Atari ST....)
Keywords: ftp finger telnet(NOT)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 00:56:03 GMT

Greetings...  

I grabbed the n890421 package from atari.archive, and I have it set up and
it appears to work mostly.  I can finger sites, and ftp to sites, but
whenever I try to telnet I get 2 bombs.  It never fails.  I have tried
numerous things to try and get telnet to work.  I even rebooted with
nothing in my autofolder and no desk accessories.  That did not help
either.  Anybody else out there even trying the package taht can offer me
a few pointers?

John

--
John B Bunch              *  I don't want the world, I just want your
280 Quail St. 1st Floor   *     half....     -TMBG
Albany, NY 12208          *  jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu If mail here bounces
(518) 436-3810            *  Try John.Bunch@bbs.oit.unc.edu
From: Lars-Thorsten_Sudmann@rs.maus.de (Lars-Thorsten Sudmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GFA Basic 4.0
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: RS.A6659
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Infos about GFA Basic 4.0
-------------------------
GFA Basic will now develope by Richter Distributor germany. It will become
some new features:
- clear all known bugs
- adapt on new TOS Versions and new programming ideas
- new developing system with interpreter, compiler, editor, ...
- ...

The update/upgrade is for each GFA Basic User and will be for 70 to 100.- DM.

All registered User will become Informations about GFA Basic 4.0 for the
Atari computer system.
We are at the CEBIT 1993 in Hannover/germany.
If you don't regist by us you must do this now.

Bye,
LTS

Please send all messages as e-mail to Lars-Thorsten Sudmann @ RS.maus.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jkrakover@sma2.rain.com (jonathan)
Subject: Re: ST & other equiptment FOR SALE
Organization: Guns for Peace
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 19:17:36 GMT

Whoops,  Add to my previous list

16Mhz accelerator------------------$120/OBO
Bridge 5.0-------------------------$10/OBO

Thanks,
Jonathan
503-666-8568

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chanp@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Paul Chan)
Subject: Re: *.Z compression
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:20:38 GMT

In article <A6780@M4.maus.de> Achim_Wilhelm@m4.maus.de (Achim Wilhelm) writes:
>*.Z is a FREEZEd file. So, use FREEZE for decompress it.

That's not true.

	*.Z --> use uncompress
	*.F --> use freeze -d
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: *I* an NOT making THIS up either...
Date: 28 Dec 1992 15:50:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, SML108@psuvm.psu.edu () says:

>Hey you forgot to post the bit about L______ refusing to talk to someone
>because he pronounced his last name TRA-MEEL instead of the proper
>TRA-MELL saying something like "I give everybody one chance to pronounce
>it TRA-MELL etc."

That was BobR!  He said that!

L_____ said that to him!

>
>More more, this stuff's great, depressing, but great...
>
>Scott
>"What would be your reaction if we sued you for copyright infringement
> for HacMan II?" - Baron Len von Tramhammer (pronounced Throatwarbler Mangrove)

Yea, isn't it funny to see what kind of stuff is happening?

This kind of information makes Dave's story pretty mild.

>

--
From: afonseca@terapin.com (Alberto Fonseca)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Mark Johnson C Compiler
Date: 3 Jan 93 11:44:56 PST
Organization: BBS


Hi there.. I was wondering if anyone out there is familiar with Mark Johnson C,
shareware compiler for the ST.  I think the latest version was 2.0, but I'm not
sure.. The file I have is MJCV20.LZH.  Well if anyone uses this, or has a later
version, please mail me.  Or if you know of a more complete C compiler.. I
tried GNU C, but it takes up too much room, I didn't have the docs, and seems
much more complicated for someone trying to learn C.

Thanks,

Alberto
afonseca@terapin.com
From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: SLM804 Troubles--------H E L P
Date: 2 Jan 1993 15:28:56 +0100
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de

jkrakover@sma2.rain.com (jonathan) writes:

>P L E A S E   H E L P.......

>Just yesterday, for no reason, my SLM804 Laser Printer decided to print
>shadows to the left of everything.  

Sometimes it helps to put the DMA cable as far away from all power-cables
as possible.
-- 
Harald Schoenfeld (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)
From: Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon: Nothing yet...
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:32:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K.A49562
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

AW>B>What memory/drive configuration did you get, and what all was
AW>B>included in the package..?
AW>
AW>4 MBytes/60 MBytes
AW>
AW>newest AHDI
AW>a line drawing demo
AW>Talking clock
AW>CALAPPT (appointment scheduler)
AW>newest XCONTROL
AW>BREAKOUT
AW>LANDMINE
AW>MACCEL 3.4
AW>
AW>a mouse
AW>
AW>1.44 MByte floppy

...plus an adaptor for VGA monitors, manuals for the machine and CALAPPT, a
how-to-install sheet and disks with the above software.

and: the machine is ready-to-go out of the box, with the harddisk being
formatted and booting and the software installed.

- Peter -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Iain Laskey)
Subject: Re: Need mor ehelp with Lattice C 5.0
Reply-To: ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:20:00 +0000

>1. I can't seem to get what i want out of lattice, 
> i would like to have: 16 bit ints, 32bit adressing.
An int *is* 32 bits. A short is 16 bits.

>also, the docs are very vague when it comes to multiple module programs, 
>so maybe i'm getting something wrong. 
Why not upgrade to 5.5x? That includes a graphical make facility that's
very easy to use. AFAICR its about 35UKP to upgrade which also
gets you new manuals for the extra bits and new library commands
for TT/STe/MSTe stuff.

>is lattice written for small one module programs? why does it default to 
>relative adressing? (thats intel crapola!) 
I hope not. Atari use it now :-)

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   I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours,                    
   But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour - ML Gore
 ------------------------------+---------------+----------------------
   ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk | Iain R Laskey | Atari ST & Unix user
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.10 Rev. Dec 15 1992
Subject: Re: STReport???
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 12:52:36 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


	Interesting letter to be sent around at just this time. Atari's
usual "shoot the messanger"  strategy in action. If it's such an awful
thing to have a free flag for commercial purposes on GEnie, how come
most of the free flag holders are commercial developers?
	As with the latest letter in Znet which was published just after ST
Report dared print a reveiw of Comdex by an ordinary attendee who had
the audacity to say it wasn't a wonderful show, it seems Atari will stop
at nothing to silence ST Report. If this was sent to all attendees of
the Atari roundtable, this means the letter was tacitly approved by
Darlah, the roundtable sysop, as that is the only way the author could
get this dropped in every attendees mailbox. 


-- 

 "If Rush fans were braindead, why are there so   Bruce Bufalini
 many people posting to alt.music.rush?"              PSU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: boucher@ug.cs.dal.ca (Darren B. Boucher)
Subject: Fax Modem
Summary: Fax modem software
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:43:12 GMT

  Does anybody know where I can get some software to run my fax modem. I
bought a modem whose included software is for an IBM. Please send email to
boucher@ug.cs.dal.ca   Thanks.

-- 
"Well I suppose Pythagoras was yesterday's man also, but two plus two still
equals four." 
                              -P.E.Trudeau
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.mac
From: trek@cbnewse.cb.att.com (wayne.a.booth)
Subject: Re: Spectre GCR (Mac+ emulator) vs. Mac MS-Word 5.1???
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:45:06 GMT

In article <C073v6.H79@ais.org> plucky@ais.org (Chris Adamson) writes:
>[Apologies for massive cross-post -- I'm at wits end!]
...
>	I have an Atari ST (yeah, I know...) running a Mac-Plus
>emulator called a Spectre GCR, with 4MB of memory (about 3.8 in Mac
>mode), 60MB of hard-drive space in the Mac partition, System 6.0.8,
>and an 800K floppy drive.

I think your only problem may be that you are trying to run 6.0.8.
The last compatibility list I saw included almost every 6.0.x release
but 8 (but maybe that was a timing problem .7 was the last listed.)
It's not clear to me that 6.0.8 might not be the cause of your
problems.  (I am not running Word whatever so can't help you with
actual experience.)

>	I guess I'd also like any Atari/Spectre users out there who
>have their Spectre manuals handy (I'm away from home, so I don't) what
>the Gadgets By Small e-mail address is.  I could call or fax tomorrow,
>but I'm not entirely sure they're even in business anymore!

They most definitely are still in business.
	Gadgets by Small, Inc
	40 W Littleton Blvd.; #210-211
	Littleton, CO 80120
	
	phone (303) 791-6098
	fax 1-303-791-0253
	Genie DAVESMALL on Gadgets RT

Disclaimer - I am only a more than satisfied user of GADGETS!

>	Thanks in advance for any and all help!

Pleased to be of service.			Wayne Booth

>    ============================================================
>   / Chris Adamson    /       FREE LEONA HELMSLEY!!           /
>  / Michigan St. U.  / Limit 1 Leona Helmsley per customer   /
> / Media Arts Prgm. / ------------------------------------- / 
>/ M.A. student     / plucky@umcc.ais.org , plucky2@aol.com /
>===========================================================
>DISCLAIMER:  Academic 11th in the Big-10 and you think they care about THIS?!
From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon DOES have Super-VGA
Date: 26 Dec 92 18:56:30 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <A54449@MS.maus.de> Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow) writes:
> It does by using the OverScan Screenblaster (costs DM 149) which is an adaptor
> to be plugged between the Falcon an the monitor.
> 
> Examples:
> 880*608, 61Hz
> 768*496, 72Hz
> 640*480, >80Hz

Thanks for the tip. Can you give some info on how this adaptor works?
Will software properly recognize the higher rez? (I guess this means
a VDI driver that only well-written GEM programs can use?)

--

ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman
From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Hello, GW!  (was Re: Good Bye Atari)
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:22:40 GMT

Original to: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu
In a message of <09 Dec 1992 01:11:0>, dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (3:713/602)
writes:

 d> So there you go.  That's the way it was.  Atari, RIP.

Ick. I am no longer surprised.

My consolation, dave. I can hardly say that DC's dissolution is any mystery
anymore.

 d> Dave Baggett

\`miff`                                                       /|\

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Iain Laskey)
Subject: Re: Driver of the 640MB Optical Drive
Reply-To: ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:01:00 +0000

>Would the software supplies with the new ICD LINK hard disk adapter
>support 640MB (5-1/4") Optical drive? I would not mind buying a LINK if it
>works.
In the UK they sell a 128Mb optical drive with The Link so I'd guess
that yes, it would work.

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   I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours,                    
   But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour - ML Gore
 ------------------------------+---------------+----------------------
   ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk | Iain R Laskey | Atari ST & Unix user
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Entry level systems
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:18:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1gsmv1INN688@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1h0eelINNeqh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>  
  <4890@wet.UUCP> <72178@cup.portal.com> <1h747oINNe6u@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE>

Jan Kim writes:

>Hmmm... the question is, isn't that "heck of a PC"  just  another
>instance of an "entry level machine"?

Yes.. thinking about how fast the PC market is moving, you're probably
right that a '386SX with VGA or SVGA monitor, 2 High Density floppy
drives and a 100+ Meg hard drive would probably be considered as an
"Entry Level" system today.

BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bbs.ruscal@tsoft.net (Russel Mar)
Subject: Need ST-to-NEC Multisync cable
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:35:28 GMT

Looking for a source to connect an ST (just color, though color+mono 
would be keen) to the original NEC Multisync.

The cable I had has mysteriously crapped out, and the Atari connector end 
is potted with goop so I can't see what the guy did inside.  Of course I 
wasted about 4 hours cutting up the cable trying to find where the 
intermittent was;  OF COURSE, it is somewhere in the Atari connector.

Sigh.

If there are instructions floating around, I can certainly make one, but 
I'll buy one if there's one available.  The store I bought the cable from 
said it was a one shot deal.

Thanks.

--
Russel Mar (bbs.ruscal@tsoft.net)
From: jrt@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jerrold Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Is 1st Card still around?
Date: 3 Jan 1993 23:34:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu
Summary: Does anyone use first card?
Keywords: Database expert system shell  Hypertext

I ran across an application called 1st Card about a year ago.
It was similar to Hyperlink, allowing data and graphics to be
used in a database construction.  I would be interested in 
hearing from anyone who has had experience in using it, or
cross references between it and Hyperlink.

It is also supposed to support an expert shell, which would
be very beneficial to the type of application I plan to write.
This program evidently won an award for the most innovative
new educational software in Aug. 1991, so it seems there should
be some facts about it soomewhere, and perhaps a demo??

Thanx,


                  Jerry Thompson
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