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From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: American History?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 14:10:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'm a white invisible minority and I no emotional attachment to the
American Civil War either.  Perhaps it is because my Grandparents were
FOB in the 1930s, escaping from Nazi persecution.  I grew up in
Manhattan (111th & Broadway), went to Louis D. Brandeis H.S. and
Columbia University;  this is what America is to me.

I do value studying American History.  It's an important reminder of
just how fragile our "rights" are.  We need some NEW American
heroes, like Gordon Hirabayashi.

Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (tad hwang)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:54:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.142428.23744@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.210306.10986@nas.nasa.gov> choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>>In article <1gaoreINN919@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defenso libertatis) writes:
>>>In article r@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c) writes:
>
>  What made me decide to date outside my race?  Lack of opportunity, mainly.
>  Since men do the asking, an Asian man has a better chance of controlling
>  who he dates because he picks who he asks or doesn't ask.  Since women
>  usually don't ask, they only get to choose from the guys who ask.  If
>  most of the guys who ask are nonAsian (depending on what neighborhood
>  you live in they can be white, Black, or Hispanic), then you pick and
>  choose from that group.  If you are determined to date within your own
>  race, then you have a LONG wait.  Ask any of my still-single Asian female
>  friends.  They ARE the ones holding out for an Asian man.  All the others
>  have married nonAsian men, including Mexican-Americans and whites and
>  some Blacks.

This is a pretty funny response: LACK OF OPPORTUNITY??  Yeah, I believe that one.
Also: men may do the asking most of the time: so what?  Does that mean that
as a woman you can't ask a man out?

The fact of the matter is that many AF wouldn't give AM the time of day, and 
it is obvious by the way they even look at AM.  Of course, I'm only referring
to the ones they call "twinkies..."

anyone who denies this isn't fooling anyone.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Tad S. Hwang
"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
   to know...?"                               |  the university of chicago
        -leslie wintheiser                    |
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:06:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <72133@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com wrote:

> dangerous as long as condoms are used. As long as gays enage in anal
> intercourse at a higher rate than the general population, condoms or not,
> they will have a higher HIV infection rate. 

It is true that the use of a condom only *lowers* the risk of getting
the disease - it does not *eliminate* that risk.  It is incumbent
upon the homosexual community to recognize this.  Having sex a great
many times, even with low risk, is playing Russian roulette. I
hope that this ->

> Certainly, many gays in the late 70's made political statments 
> that they gladly accepted STD's and sickness as the badge of sexual 
> liberation. It seems that AIDS is being treated the same way.

Is a Clayton-esque 'certainty' (along the lines of "All fixated
pedophiles are homosexual") and not an actual statement of fact.

*Anyone* who views STD's as a badge of 'liberation' is an idiot,
and in this day and age, if they continue to act like an idiot -
they are going to die.  It is very simple.  And it won't be a 
pretty death.  

But I have missed something in this conversation.  Initially, Mr.
Hu was outraged that homosexuals were 'inflating' the risk of AIDS.
And now, he is claiming that we are pretending as if it is a 
'badge' of sexual liberation.  Indeed, it was he who coined the
very title of this thread, which would appear to be an advanced
state of denial.

*X*
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The Chinese Name
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:53:21 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <SHAW.93Jan3183130@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>In article <CLIPPER.93Jan3180726@mccarthy.csd.uwo.ca> clipper@mccarthy.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung) writes:
>   What is a Chinese name? Do all Chinese have Chinese names? Are there
>   non-Chinese with Chinese names? Where did the names come from? Where
>   are they going?
>
>To bring it back to s.c.a.a. content, one of my old friends from Chinese
>school recently married a Korean-American guy, and she said that some of
>the mothers back in the Chinese community in Cleveland were somewhat taken
>aback, but, she said, they all said the same thing: "At least he has a
>Chinese name (Lee)".  She was pretty amused ...

Almost all Korean last names are Chinese characters in origin. Obviously,
the Korean pronunciation of Chinese characters is different. Yet, there are
also Chinese characters used by Koreans as last names that aren't used
in China as last names, these were the original clans in Korea during 
the Chinhan, Mahan, etc. times, when the Kings granted the various local
clans Chinese characters to represent their clans (although some of these
weren't used in China as last names, even though they were Chinese characters).
Some examples of these Chinese characters used only by Koreans as last names
are Pak, Sok, Kim, Ko (I believe).

On the other hand, there are some Korean clans that use the same Chinese 
character as some Chinese clans, but pronounce the character differently.
These families (Wang, Yang, Chin, Chang, Kang, etc.) probably originated
From: pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Kristie
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:44:19 PST
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

  It is truly a sad thing that the endorsements didn't pour in for her as
they have for other champions. It sure doesn't speak well for the racism 
that is so woven in the fabric of this country. 
  But she is extremely gracious and I feel a few others will come around
that should have been there from the beginning. She has had many opportun-
ities to really bash them but that is not her way.
  I really love her...I have watched her grow up on the ice and have many
old tapes of her in older competitions. She is setting a fine example for 
those that follow in being a gracious winner and never saying anything bad 
about her fellow competitors and sharing the spotlight with all. 
  I want her to have all the joy and happiness she can find...she has
worked hard for it and deserves much better treatment than she has gotten 
from the press and those people that wish to exploit her and her hard won
fame. 
  If I had a young child ...I would want them to watch and emulate her. 
She is VERY special!
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Frank F. Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:34:36 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Originator: yu@physun

In article <1992Dec24.023937.18253@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>However, there are many bozos (and they know who they are) who claim that
>Ms. Covington is committing a grave sin for not teaching her children
>the language "of her ethnicity" (quotes intended).  For example, suppose that
>Ms. Covington were ethnically German-ge.  Then, the bozos claim that the
>heritage of Ms. Covington's children is German-cu and that the language
>which she should teach her children is German-cu, in addition to the English
>that is taught in the public schools.
>
>This view is extremely bigotted and racist.

The reason why Ms. Covington does not have to teach her kids German while
the Chinese have to teach their kids the Chinese language is obvious and
one does not have to resort to silly words such as "bozo", "cu" or "ge"
to demonstrate their point.

Why don't we take a more practical viewpoint. No matter your ancestors are
German, Irish, or Dutch, you are white, and you mingle well, physically or
culturally. How important is it for a white person to know the origin of
another white person and does it greatly enhance the chance of a meaningful
conversation or even a lasting friendship? I suppose you don't have to know
German to talk to one of 53% of your compatriots who have German origin?
Then we look at the Chinese people in America. Teaching the next generation
Chinese(Mandarin or Cantonese) has a justifiable high priority. Just think
about if these kids want to talk to their grandma, or a lot of sales people
in China town.

The reason why Chinese people have not become members of this society in
a sense is the long existing racial discrimination in this country. So please
don't blame Chinese for being different and not fitting in.

I don't really belong here because I am not an American. But when there is
no soc.culture.chinese.canadian, I find this group to be quite interesting.

Frank
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko)
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 00:52:23 GMT

Charles Roten (roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:


: Check out the recent article in Scientific American about the differences 
: in Asian and American primary education systems.  The Asian systems, 
: whether in Japan, Taiwan, or Beijing, come out looking _MUCH_ superior to 
: the American system.  


At what cost? I don't know about Taiwan or Beijing, but the Japanese public
school system isn't nearly as good as many seem to think. 

Rote memorization, cram school, suicide... it's all way too intense.
A lot of Japanese kids just don't get many chances to 'have fun' and 
'be kids'. Many are pushed onto the "shushoku" train from day one, and
they aren't enjoying it.

I seriously question the effectiveness of the Japanese school system.


Paul Ko.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Kristi Yamaguchi
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:54:16 GMT

In article <14980@cis.rand.org>, caryho@cis.rand.org (Cary Ho) writes:
|> 
|>    "When I want a little change I go green, violet or gray.  DuraSoft Colors
|>     can change your eye color in a wink of an eye even if you don't need
|>     visual correction.  With 18 shades ranging from subtle to dramatic,
|>     you'll find DuraSoft Colors that are right for you."
|> 
|>   I don't know whether to laugh or feel sad or happy that K.Y. is making
|>   money from this ad.   Just something for you all to ponder.
|> 
Does it matter what race the person doing the add is? I assume it is OK for
a caucasian to do the add but not an asian? Frankly, the only thing I would
change is that they get a better looking asian like the "oriental" with
green eyes in "Big Man in Little China". 
-- 
Richard Park	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: American Values?  Re: Hong Kong Students (Was: Re: Asian cliques. Why?)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:35:00 GMT

edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com (Edward Zhong) writes:
|asian americans (or hk students) and other americans have different value.
|if i have $1000 to spend each month, i will spend $400 apartment, $200 
|on food and cloth, another $200 on car (it could be a used bmw), and put the
|rest $200 in my saving account. i think a "normal" amercian counterpart
|may spend $600 on housing, $250 on food and cloth, and somehow spend
|the last $150 on traveling or whatever. he doesn't think he can affort
|a car on the $1000 buget.

Hmmm, I thought a "typical American" would spend the last $150 on interest
on debts for credit cards and whatever.  That wouldn't prevent him/her
from buying a car, though (just add more debt...).  I guess most Americans
just take an example from the USA government.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Timothy J. Lee                                        timlee@netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:04:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	Uh... excuse me, but it isn't only Chinese people who tend
to inherit their names. I inherited MY name, and I'm not Chinese at
all. Yes, it's true that in the US (well, in California anyway) you
are free to give your child any first and LAST name you wish, but...
how many people, whatever their race, do you know who have actually
done that? I don't know of any. Kids get their parents names - be
they Japanese or Thai or German or whatever. That is inherited.
	Yes, I suppose someone can go and change their name. But
why? Chinese names are as good as any other... note that I am NOT
assuming that you can tell a person's culture from their name. You
can, however, often guess a person's ancestral background from their
name. Not that this has much bearing on anything.

	Maiko Covington

P.S. Dwight - why is it that when someone criticized your arguments
as being against 'Chinese', you immediately assume they meant
'Chinese-genetic' and then point out that you are against the
culture, etc? In most cases I'd bet they are criticizing your
arguments against Chinese CULTURE. Why does the ommission of a
suffix have to default to meaning '-ge' and not '-cu'? I suspect
it's a weasely way of wimping out of a discussion, but then that's
just my own opinion of course. ^_^
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Seeking articles on L.A. 1992 Spring Disturbance
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 11:11:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Spring disturbance??? What the heck is that? It was a riot, and the
Koreans didn't do anything wrong except be stupid enough to set up
business in black areas. Do the Right Thing did make things worse becase
it didn't state the proper conclusion that looting and rioting is wrong,
and anyone who thinks this sort of behavior is fine shouldn't be surprised
when the Texas Southern University Band shamed America, and blacks in
particular by looting CD players and walkmen en masse just because it
seemed to be the thing to do at the time.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:42:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1hqnp0INNho3
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:
>	No, I wasn't forced to go to Saturday school as a kid.
>Therefore I ended up speaking Japanese, but only being able to read
>kana. When I got to junior high and was all of a sudden expected to
>be able to read and had to memorize all those characters, I wished I
>had been forced, but oh well mou syou ga nai. ^_^

Hmm? Wasn't the case "reversed" for you?  How were you able
to maintain and develop your _English_ ability? That was my 
question.

>[...] I would suggest speaking the language at home (of
>course, this is the most basic thing!), reading books in it in front
>of the kids, and doing fun things involving that language, if
>possible.

This might work until they're 8 or 9, but it gets harder after that
unless you use some prodding. "Stop watching TV and listen to mommy
read!" :-)

>	I think sometimes it's okay to expect extra studying out of
>your children - I think they WILL thank you later, and young
>children do not have the necessary judgement to know what is good
>for them all the time. Just my own opinion of course.

Well, isn't that what most parents say? "It's for your own good!" :-)
I'm not disagreeing with you.  My point was that, when left to 
their own free will, not too many kids will learn a second language.
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Draft FAQ
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:32:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

>>"FOB" stands for "fresh off the boat" (an immigrant).  Derogatory.
>  ^^^
>Gotta keep up with the times!! It's "FOP: Fresh off the plane" now!!  8^)

	Don't forget to add 'JOJ' - "just off the jet". ^_^

	Maiko Covington

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko)
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 00:54:45 GMT

jupiter (achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

: A much better solution is to have one of these rich guys with
: deep deep pockets in Hong kong, Japan, or Taiwan buy out some
: of these Hollywood studios and fire all of the top executives
: and replace them with Asian Americans or staffers from the home
: country.

: But then the question is will movies that have an Asian as the
: leading male be able to make money in this racist country?


Are racists like you ever going to realize that you're part of the problem?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.president.clinton
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: a gora
Distribution: usa 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:32:52 GMT

In article <1garirINNa99@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>What do you bet that when President-elect Clinton gets through with
>making his Cabinet "look like America," there will be African-Americans
>and Hispanics, but no Asian-Americans in it?


  It looks like you're right.
From: jimmy@clipper.ingr.com (Jimmy Blair)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: stuff
Summary: ...One more thing
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:47:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


	Clare writes:
>                                           I feel that it's better to
>   be rejected because of lousy stereotypes, than to be desired for the
>   wrong reasons.  The latter is definitely more insidious, because you
>   cannot separate the wheat from the chaff.

        So you're saying you would rather be kicked in the face
        than be patted on the back, because you can't tell
        whether the pat on the back is genuine or condescension.
        I would prefer not to have my nose broken, although
        that's a materialistic objective position ( aka Marxist, ugh ).

	-- Jimmy
From: tsh2@quads.uchicago.edu (tad hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: CU/GE
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:45:40 GMT
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

what does this cu and ge mean?  example: Chinese-ge or Chinese-cu



-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Tad S. Hwang
"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
   to know...?"                               |  the university of chicago
        -leslie wintheiser                    |
From: nina@panix.com (Nina Yuan)
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:30:27 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <42913@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:
>	I think sometimes it's okay to expect extra studying out of
>your children - I think they WILL thank you later, and young
>children do not have the necessary judgement to know what is good
>for them all the time. Just my own opinion of course.

I also didn't go to Saturday school as a kid.  My mother tried to teach
me Chinese at home during the summers, but I had little interest at the
time, and so what I learned was quickly forgotten.  As a result, when I
started taking Chinese in college, I could understand spoken Mandarin
quite well and could speak it decently, but was virtually illiterate.
Do I wish I had been "forced" to go to Saturday school as a child?
Perhaps, but I have enough friends who did go who wound up learning
little useful Chinese, that I think it wouldn't have made much difference.
If someone is interested in a language, they will find someway to learn
it, whether it's as child (which of course is preferable from a fluency
point of view) or later on in life.

-nhy

-- 
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Nina H. Yuan
Harvard College             Panix -- Public Access Unix & Internet of NYC
yuan1@husc.harvard.edu      nina@panix.com
From: houzeaug@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Houzeaux Guillaume)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: montreal
Date: 25 Dec 92 20:49:46 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


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