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From: stevek@code3 (Steven Kim)
Subject: reponse of response to James Choi (Re: Dating)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:31:53 GMT


James please read your response again.  No joke is necessary but don't
turn away from the good advice.

Steve.

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>> In article <1992Nov19.001529.4941@news.acns.nwu.edu> you write:
>> I've been following the discussion(argument) on this DATING subject.
>> I feel that any general statement ought to not separate out a single
>> group in the scope of the subject.  For example:  when James talks
>> about gender issue.  His generalization is directed to Korean male.  But
>> there are many people who do not fit the generalization in Korea, USA, France,
>> China, Japan, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Norway, Brazil, etc.
 
>Having lived in three countries you listed above, and having been to two
>more, I am aware of  the stereotyping's flaws.
 
>However, my response was a joke as you can guess by my far fetched
>expressions that approaches rudiculous.  I just like seeing how other
>Korean males respond to my statement in order to preserve their dignity.
>I have done this before, and the flow of discussion is about the same.  I
>just did again for entertainment purpose only.
 
>> And for James only, the women's place was always unbalaced, better or worse
>> each society contains its own culture and has its integrity.  Therefore,
>> respect and etiquette is needed to assess long standing tradition.
 
>You mean women should continue washing dishes since it is a long standing
>tradition?  How about 500 year old tradition of getting married in their
>teens?
 
>James Choi
From: bark@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bark Kwangyl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: <Why I was in army) Re: Service in Korea
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:12:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1992Nov19.224839.20716@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:

>	To me, your logic is that of a Cold War warrior who just cannot
>face the reality that the communism is dead and we are entering a new era.
>(How's that for a comeback?)  So, why is that nobody intimidates Japan and
>Germany?  It certainly isn't their military strength.  What's even worse,
>you actually propose increasing military spending to defend from China?
>Here is a better plan.  Increase our foreign aid and foreign investment
>in China.  Help China stabilize economy.  A stable country has no reason
                                           ------------------------------
>to invade any country.  And with this plan, we actually get something
----------------------
>besides peace; we get a huge market.

I know you, Brian, are very smart. I know you read many history books
as you claimed. But, you seems like made a little mistake above.
Let me just remind you that your beloved alliance America has the
most stable economy in the world but participated in most of the  wars big and 
small since WW1.  Was Panama a threat to America's economy? Vietnam, too?

>	You have my respect for helping to defend our country in times
>of crisis.  But please, your time is over.  It's time for us, the younger
>generation to take your place.  It's time to change.

You proclaime that crisis is over! 
Oh! my goodness! The great prophet Brian!
Sounds like the fanatics of October  92 who claimed the world is over.

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From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Soojaebi (was Re: My life as a Bulgogi)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:41:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.031415.14611@news.columbia.edu> kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak) writes:
>>>In article <98684@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>[...]
>>   Nancy, here is the simple instruction of how to cook your own
>>soojaebi you petitioned.  Remember... PREPAREDNESS MAKES DOING EASY.
>[...]
>>8. I'll be going over to Columbia next week provided you will make me
>>   one, or I can make you one, which ever you prefer, but only at your
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>how refreshing to hear such a liberal offer from a KOREAN guy. :-)
>>Hyunsuk Seung
>nancy kwak

Make sure that recipes you guys exchange are fat-free :)

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

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From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: A Brief History of Time
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:31:38 GMT

I just saw "Brief history of Time" yesterday.  I have read the book a couple
of times before but had hard time concentrating long enough to really get 
what the heck he was saying.  I think the movie was really well done and I
am sorry that it took me this long to see it.  If there is anyone out there
who hasn't seen it, go ahead and do it.  I loved it. But my date didn't seem 
to care too much for it, though.  
What do you guys, who have seen it, think of the movie?
It also make me realize how much we, Stephen Hawking and Yours Truly, have
in common.  Both of us like Norma Jean (aka MM)(She and I were born on the same
day though many years apart) and he hardly did any work in his undergrad times
and neither have I.  Oh, both of us are in British Mensa.  Hey, that's pretty 
good, eh? Too bad I don't think there is much chance that I will be as well 
known as he is unless some miracle of God takes place.  I guess I should be 
satisfied with having some things in common with somebody who is the most 
popular physicist alive today. Without a doubt.

Now I just can't s just can't wait to see Casabla, not for the first time, of
course.

Henry E "E for Ebert?" Chon
Henry E Chon
From: kim@cs.arizona.edu (Kyung Soo Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Help, Please contsct me
Keywords: contact me
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:56:59 GMT


Hello netters,

I am looking for some technical info from some people
At Samsung, Goldstar, or DaeWoo electronics (VCR division).
If someone who work for  Samsung, Goldstar, or DaeWoo
electronics sees this posting please contact me at
 "kim@cs.arizona.edu"
Thank you very much

Kyung-Soo Kim		kim@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. Computer Science
The University of Arizona
From: sahnow@cco.caltech.edu (David J. Sahnow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: celebrating birthdays
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:28:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu



	 I'm looking for information about how Koreans
(or Korean-Americans) celebrate birthdays.  I will meet
my brother's wife (who just came here from Korean) for 
the first time next week.  They will be visiting us on
her birthday and I don't know how to celebrate it.  We're
planning on taking them out to dinner at a nice Korean
restaurant, and I have a small present for her.  

	I would like to make a cake, but I remember
that my brother said that Koreans don't like sweet
things the way Americans do.  Is there a Korean
equivalent to a birthday cake?  Do they have candles?
I'm willing to try a Korean recipe (as long as it's
not too hard).  I can get most ingrediants as long as
I know the right name because we have a small Korean
town here in Baltimore.

	Any suggestions, background, or warnings are
welcome.  I really hate being an ugly American.

Karla Peterson
From: jkim@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: hangul fonts for windows are needed
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:03:05 GMT

Hi there
I need hangul fonts for ms windows (english).
Please help me to get information from you.
Thanks
 JKIM@ECS.UMASS.EDU
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Bread or Rice, that is the question (was Re: Curch)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:50:45 GMT

In article <98759@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.215307.4752@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>> In article <98716@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>> >
>> >[comments drooling about food deleted...]
>> >Hyunsuk Seung
>> 
>> "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone..." :) 
>
>The above statement raises an extremely important philosophical
>question -- to choose between bread or rice.  One can easily
>exasperate mentally, especially at a bustling steak house in Korea
>while your obedient waitress/waiter anxiously waits the answer to the
>internal struggle between your rice-addicted stomach and
>etiquette-filled brain.
>   But more importantly, before anyone jump in to hastly conclusion,
>the question is an answer in itself.
>Hyunsuk Seung

Well, according to Maslow... you must be really insecure person who
lives in the lowest level of existence...... :)

He said, emotionally heathy individual is one who attain the higher
level of this hieriarchy.

Trancedence
Self-actualization    ^
Esteem                |  hierarchy of need
Belonging             |
..
Safety
Physiological Need.    <----- you seem to be stuck  here.

Maybe you should create a new group s.c.k.mad.about.food :)

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
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From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Subject: The future of OSAN AB- Songtan City
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:13:35 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

I recently heard that Yongsan Army Garrison  (8th U.S. Army headquarters) 
was to be closed down by 1996 and that the new headquarters will be at OSAN AB.
Is this true ?  As an ex-GI stationed at Osan I was wondering, what do the  people 
of Songtan City think of this move?  Of course, business will be great , but they'll have
to put up with Army grunts.  

P.S.  Is anybody from Songtan-Si?

Mitch
From: terry@cs.mcgill.ca (Terry LIM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Re: Hanterm and cu command
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:34:47 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

>In article <1992Nov16.223107.18975@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu
>(Daeshik Kim)
>writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.185313.3431@cs.mcgill.ca> terry@cs.mcgill.ca
>(Terry LIM)
>writes:
>>>
>>> ....  using hanterm and using 'cu' ....to use kids.kotel.co.kr?
>>
>>       As far as I know, 'cu' & 'tip' doesn't work for binary.
>>       There should be 'tipx' source floating around somewhere, which
>>       supports transparent mode & zmodem.
I have ftped tip and tipx, but could not compile on Iris since it was
missing too many header files.  ( I am assuming it was written for
Sun or SysV for 386).

>
>	I forgot to tell you easier way (sorry but tipx is good stuff to
>	have).
>
>	Use 'telnet kids.kotel.co.kr | hcode -ki', in order to change
>	any KSC (binary) codes to ASCII.
the command hcode does not seem to exist on my remote machine.

If I may explain my situation again:
	Initially I start han3term,  then run cu command (cu -l ttyd2 -s
	9600) to dial out to a remote site that has full internet
	access.

	From there I rlogin into kids.kotel.co.kr.

	Problem:
		I can display local files with Korean characters fine.
		But if I try to display files with korean from the remote
		machine via han3term running locally, it comes up with garbage.
		
Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: My dear chungkookchang...
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.061405.20253@news.columbia.edu> gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:
>>
>>Hyunsuk Seung
>>hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
>
>	Anyone seen this boy yet?
>	He is talking about "panic-free atmosphere" again which has
>been the main theme involving his eating behavior.  Again, please let
>me know if you see him.  As I said before, he is dangerous.  How would
>you recognize him?  That's simple: he has "chungkookchang" written all
>over face.  But he might change that to "bibimbob" which has been
>another of his obsession during his last institutionalized state.
>	Please help me in locating his poor soul.

	Last time I heard, his soul was trapped in Philadelphia screaming
something about bibimbob, chungkookchang, dosirak banchan and my attempts
at absurdity.  :)  On the other hand, he's in Philadelphia, so I guess
even Dante could forgive him for going through such a hell.  
>


-- 
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Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
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From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Coffee? Re: hey this is America (was Re: korean guys...)
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:11:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov22.152923.19346@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
> In article <98685@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
> >
> >I know I am a minority on this one, but how can you call yourself a
> >true coffee lover if you destroy the rich flavor of coffee by stuffing
> >milk and syrup in it?  Try drinking a straight espresso while
> >mesmerized in the depth of your partner's eyes, perhaps by locating
> >your reflected self...
> 
> 	Why do I put milk and syrup in my espresso?  I guess I'm just
> a sweet kinda guy.  :)

It is evident that you have not experienced the bitterness of love.
Nothing to envy, of course, but I can understand your pretentious
motive behind your cappucino addiction.  I guess the famous Korean
expression best suits you in this kind of situation: 

			  GO EAT YOUR SYRUP!

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Information please
From: lkim@swri.edu (Louis Kim)
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:38:25 CST
Organization: Southwest Research Institute
Keywords: Information on Programable VCR

In article <26728@optima.cs.arizona.edu> kim@cs.arizona.edu (Kyung Soo Kim) writes:
>Subject: Information please
>From: kim@cs.arizona.edu (Kyung Soo Kim)
>Date: 18 Nov 92 22:36:42 GMT
>Keywords: Information on Programable VCR
>
>Hi netters,
>
>I know this is not appropriate news group, but I will
>start from here.
>I am looking for how Programable VCRs work.
>I mean these days each TV program has its own code number
>so we can use the code number when we record them using
>VCR.  I need to know how to encode and decode the code 
>numbers.  It seems like there is international standard
>for coding, but I don't know where to find it.  I will
>be really appreciated if you can tell me where to find it.
>
>
>
>Kenny Kim
>kim@coral.math.arizona.edu
>Dept. of Mathematics
>The University of Arizona
>
The codes only work for VCRs designed to read them.  Those VCRs are usually 
identified with a name that I think is "VCR Plus."  Almost all manufacturers 
make such models.  Using the remote control, you punch in the number 
associated with a particular TV program and the correct time and date 
settings are inputted by your VCR.    
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From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Dear Abby,
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:03:03 GMT

Dear Abby,

I just got my X-girlfriend a dozen longstem red roses for no special
occasion.  Do you think she may take it as a romantic advance? I just 
wanted her to cheer up a little and enjoy her Thanksgiving break.  Do
you think I shouldn't have? 

Broke and Curious
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Please ignore the message 'Use only 'hanterm' ....'
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:43:53 GMT
Organization: What Org?
Keywords: ignore

In article <1e4ngeINN380@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:
>  I made a mistake assuming it's STILL impossible to post Hangul because
>it's the case only two months ago.

	No, you haven't; in order to make stable Hangul posting on USENET,
	you should make it 7 bit ASCII w/o tty control chars (for example,
	one of the ISO hangul code is FLUSH on tty).

>.... Indeed, it includes a lot of byte with MSB set. Only a couple of month
>ago or so, it's not possible to post Hangul to News. Has there been since
>change in News servers all over the world or at least at some sites
>including yours?  

	No, unfortunately there has not been changes; it is just beacuse
	he succeeded posting binary files w/o tty control chars in it.

	Lots of times, you can post binary files; but again, it's not
	guranteed.  let's put it this way; it was success of posting
	binary file.

	Until someone comes up with Hangul code with 7 bit ASCII w/o
	tty control chars, it'll stay as before.

>  However, I cannot use X-window to run Hanterm. Neither do I have my PC to
>run Iyagi.  Maybe, I have to be satisfied with just reading Hangul messages

	Don't tell me you are using dumb terminal with the stupid 2400 modem.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Coffee? Re: hey this is America (was Re: korean guys...)
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:29:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Nov22.152923.19346
Organization: Alchemy International

In article <98685@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>
>I know I am a minority on this one, but how can you call yourself a
>true coffee lover if you destroy the rich flavor of coffee by stuffing
>milk and syrup in it?  Try drinking a straight espresso while
>mesmerized in the depth of your partner's eyes, perhaps by locating
>your reflected self...

	Why do I put milk and syrup in my espresso?  I guess I'm just
a sweet kinda guy.  :)

>
-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:22:52 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov23.031627.9972@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>
>In a related top story in recent days in Korea that have pertinence to this
>discussion at hand is rape-murder of Korean woman by US military personnel.
>The big question is exactly who will try this American person.  I have not
>read past couple of days' paper, so I do not know the outcome, if there was
>one.  But, there is much voice of discontent and protest among Koreans, to
>have the accused be tried in ROK court..... 

	Any follow-up on this matter would be appreciated?

As far as I remember, this is not the first instances of
rape by U.S. Forces; remember the suicide of Elementary
school teacher?

I remeber that couple of my friends involved in street fight
with U.S. military people in Itaewon trying to save (?) some girls
(I think it was 1984 or 1985), according to them they were
cornered and scared when they were passing by those small path
behind the neon-flashing street; in result, they all got caught and
moved into Police station; but M.P. showed up with smiling face and
took them away; and the end of that case.

Fortunately, those guys were pretty good at that kinda happening
(they were ice-hockey players); and they claimed that they beated
the shit out of the others with handy fragile weapons available on any street
in Seoul, which I've never belived judging from their damage.

Funny thing was one of them got beated by the poice since he was
strongly blaming the police of their releasing the others, again according
to him.
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From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: (Why I do not want to be in) Re: Service in Korea
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:37:25 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1992Nov18.143905.24333@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.043717.18575@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>>In any case, why should serving in the
>>army be more honorable than anything else?

This is somewhat true. But what I learned from my military experience is
that everyone thinks in that way.  Then who should serve for defending Korea ?

>
>No.  Fulling one's duty is against one's interest or will is honorable.
>Self sacrifice for bigger cause is honorable.  Something that I am
>incapable of doing, unless forced.

This is very true.  One problem is that no one thinks that serving military
is honorable, execpt written in many text books (and probably kids who read
those text books).  How do you normally call a soldier in Korea ? - GoonBaRi.
This is partly because Korean soldiers don't have the spirit(GoonKi).
They lack the spirit since they didn't want to be soldiers.
They are forced to have the spirit in the camp, which works only inside the
camp. The procedure of being forced to have spirit is very painful,
accompanied with beating and disciplanary punishment.
Its result is that at least they can be used in case of combat situation.

Who knows, when Korea becomes rich, when she can hire soldiers like USA.

I am very glad to read James's frank remarks.
I hate to see young Koreans who pretend to be very patriotic but refuse to
serve military army.


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