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From: dowdell@unixg.ubc.ca (David J. Dowdell)
Subject: Re: B.C. Lung Association Trek for Life and Breath
Summary: help, comments?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:34:23 GMT


I saw a poster for the B.C. Lung Association Bicycle Trek for Life and
Breath.  This looks like a fun event -- especially for a newbie like
myself.  It takes place on the weekend of Sept. 12-13.  The course is
200 km long, through picturesque farming communities along the Washington
B.C. border.  Participants need to secure donations of $350 or more for
the B.C. Lung Association.

Since I have never cycled any distance, this is an event that I am keen
to enter.  Could any of the netters who have participated in this event
previously (or perhaps a similar event) tell me what to expect?  Is there
anything that I should be doing to prepare myself and my bike for the
trip?  Please respond by e-mail.

(BTW, if you want to sponsor me for a few $$, I'll gladly accept!!)

----

Dave Dowdell, dowdell@unixg.ubc.ca
Vancouver.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bike Nashbar and AVia sport/Fitness shoes: Update
From: kim39@scws3.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:15:18 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

	I made a mistake in referring to these shoes.  I called
them the Avia AV50.  They are in fact the Avia AC50 Sport Fitness
shoe.

	Nashbar says they shipped my shoes (size 13) last Friday
(8/14/92).  They are still out of size 12 but have them scheduled
for delivery on September 1.  Last time they gave me a delivery
date the size-13 shoes came in one day after they had predicted
for delivery.

	Nashbar seems to have split the total shipping charge
among the three shipments (one order, one charge, no surcharge
for extra boxes).  They didn't charge me for the back-ordered
stuff until the day before they shipped the back-ordered
stuff (or possibly the day of shipping).

-Case
From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Road tires
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:53:18 GMT
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division


>tgorb@rrc.chevron.com (Joe Gorberg) writes:

>>
>>Any one had experience with Performance-brand tires
>>  such as the EX/K, GT/K, ST/K
>>models?
>>
>>--Joe.
>>

MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:

>I put a set of 700x25 EX tires on my spare bike. The rear suffered a sidewall
>failure after about 120 miles on a wind stand. I went back to Michelin
>Hi-Lite Comps. They cost 25% less, so why bother with the Performance? The
>Michelin is much bigger than the 25mm Performance, and, to my thinking,
>much more suited to city pavement. I still have the other 25mm EX on the
>front, though, where it's accumulated about 150 road miles. Seems okay,
>but I'll be putting a Michelin on it soon. It's probably a matter of
>size, but I much prefer the feel of the 700x23 Michelin. Smoother ride and
>it seems to corner better.

I've been riding Performance ST (I think) and have been quite happy.
In agreement with with Mike's experience, they don't seem to be real
durable; I figure I've been getting 1-2K miles (rear) on 27x13/16"
tires.  The sidewalls have slightly ruptured on several but I've been
riding the front for at least 5K miles with a slight buldge.
I also find agreement with Mike's experience that the handling 
of the ST is not as nice as other tires I've ridden (e.g., Speciallized,
Avocet (lots of flats), Michelin).

The main thing is the price.  I don't know how much the EX tires are
such that Michelins are 25% less.  If I can find 27" of what is 
mentioned above perhaps I'll try them.  But the ST's were a good value
at $4 each.

Your mileage may vary.
--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Standing on a Tandem (without road rash)
Organization: Motorola
Date: 21 Aug 1992 12:35:59 CDT

Having captained a Santana Cronos for several years, I would have
to disagree with those who insist that you can't stand and hammer
your way up a hill.  It DOES however take a different technique than
you use on your 20 pound Italian custom!  Normally, the captain can
stand and use a rocking technique to power over the top, but he
(sexist assumption?) has to be ready for the pummelling he is
going to receive for wearing out his stoker's shorts!  I have found
(after many near-death experiences) that both riders can stand and
jam IF AND ONLY IF they BOTH use a very relaxed grip on the brake
hoods.  As for trying to use your arms to rock the bike, all you
will do is flex the frame and cause the front tire to skitter back
and forth across the pavement (leading to the riders skittering
back and forth across the pavement!).

Also, anyone who doesn't think extra weight helps you decend faster
has never gone down a hill beside a tandem (with twice the weight and
only slightly more wind resistance than a single).  My wife and I have
coasted by lots of singles pedalling furiously.  (Then we get eaten
up going up the next hill)  Oh well, I guess that's justice....
Mark (I did NOT take that corner too fast) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: maxwell@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Allan Maxwell)
Subject: Re: cable lubrication
Keywords: TECH
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:24:14 GMT

>>>>on my mountain bike.  Is it necessary to lubricate the cables 
>>>>before feeding them into the housing, and if so, what is the best
>
>It will keep them from rusting.  Use something sticky and heavy
>that will last a long time.  Grease or Phil Wood tenacious oil

I suggest that you use Tri-Flow or some other light lubricant that comes
in a spray can so that you can use the lubricant to blow the old lube
and junk that it has attracted out of the cable housing next time.
Tenacious oil is preferred by those who don't care, or need, to
relube the cables often.  If you use grease and something goes wrong
(hardening, submerged in water,...) you will most likely have to 
replace the cable housing.

Allan Maxwell  maxwell@cv1.synercom.hounix.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Mold Release & Preservative Agents (was Re: Road tires?)
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:06:14 GMT

sery (sery@crunch.unm.edu) writes:

> Jobst Brandt writes:

> > Brian Radloff writes:

> > > I think Conti Grand Prix clinchers are great. I've been training and
> > > racing on them for the last 2 years.

> >Is there more evidence to your statements than you write?

> If you want evidence then I can tell you that my personal experience is
> based on tens of thousands of miles and many, many tires (I expect his is
> too). They ride very well (subjective opinion)

Ditto.

> and they get very few flats
> (objective observation-I keep rough track of my punctures).

Likewise. Two flats in two years on Continentals.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu (Groenke)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB newsgroup, any interest?
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:56:52 GMT
Organization: Shepherd Labs
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Yea and every roadie article should have
ROAD in title.

Man it's not that hard to read everything.

Oh no!!  You might learn something.
***********************************************
Kevin J. Groenke	
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From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MYTH or FACT:  Do bicycle helmets wear out from age?
Date: 18 Aug 1992 16:19:52 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1992Aug17.214755.6722@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (William D. Bushnell) is helmeting: 

>I have heard from a variety of sources that the shock-absorbing
>styrofoam in bicycle helmets loses its ability to absorb the shock of
>impact as it ages. ...

True. Ultraviolet light (i.e., the sun) causes the chemical compostion
of styrofoam to change.

>Is there an article or study that examines the issue of "helmet rot",
>or should we add this myth to the list of Bicycle Lore?

I have seen it discussed here.  Maybe some chemist out there should
write and article for the FAQ.

>... uncrashed Bell helmet circa 1976.  Should I
>retire it and buy something safer, lighter and more :-) stylish?

The guidelines I have seen here is that 5 years is a good limit, if it
isn't crashed before then.

>bushnell@lmsc.lockheed.com	(Bill Bushnell)


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drivers who just miss
Summary: Stop sign capital
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:03:41 est
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.bicycles, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:

>>After walking to work a couple of miles every day for six years in Berkeley 
>>I can attest that even the cops there roll the stop signs.
>
>Welll... Berkeley _is_ sort of the Smithsonian Institution of stop signs.
>Arguments vary as to whether somebody in City Hall is getting kickbacks
>from the manufacturer of the damned things, or whether it's some sinister 
>social-engineering plot to make driving impossible.

Hmm . . . I thought that Newington, Connecticut, was the USA stop-sign
capital. The flippin' things multiply like *rabbits* here! Every week 
or two I stumble across another new one. The latest pair are positioned
facing in either direction on a quiet residential street, adjacent to a 
right-angle turn. But this turn has *no* side streets, driveways or 
any other path for vehicles or people to take. I never thought about 
the City Hall implications, but that does make some sense . . .

--Rus
From: henk@fudd.frcs.alt.za (Henk Coetzee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:43:09 GMT
Organization: FRCS mail/news uucp point


In article <1992Aug14.051502.2302@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
  > p.s. i wonder... in a personal injury action, might failure to wear a
  > helmet be treated the same way as failure to wear a seat belt?  that is,
  > might they reduce your award on the ground that your failure to wear a
  > helmet resulted in injury which would otherwise have been avoided or
  > reduced?
  > 
  
A while back, I had such a policy. It covered my bike and me for
damage to bike and me, and offered insurance for racing damage
and injuries as well. One condition: No helmet - No payout. Luckily
I didn't need it until the insurance company stopped offering the
service.

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Henk Coetzee         |
P.O. Box 26305       |   More arms do not make mankind safer,
Arcadia              |   only poorer
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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:40:21 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug20.003038.6295@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.112506.10192@waikato.ac.nz>, jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> |> 
> |> Is there anyone on the net who's keeping track of the women's Tour de France
> |> that's on at the moment? 

> Who cares about the women's Tour ?! (provoke provoke).
> 
> 
>  Chris Heath.    EMAIL  ==>  csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.AU
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ___________________

	Chris,  how do you get the grease stains out of your bedsheets after
sleeping with your bike?  There - I bit.
	
	Jonathan.
P.S. I see you're Australian - that explains everything (provoke provoke)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Subject: Re: light/battery comparisons?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:29:47 GMT

In article <Bt6ID0.I6r@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:

>lights (or emergency lights) tractor spot lights.  Basically you need a gel
>cell and or a stack of nicads.  To figure out how long they are going to 
>last you look at the Amp-hour rating.
>  ie  D cells @ 4Ah * 12V = 48Wh   (ie V * A = Watts)
>     So you can power a 48 W lamp for 1 hour or a 24W lamp for 2 hours
>Of course in the cold you will find that the batteries do not last as long
>and/or may not work at all.

This is only part of the story.  Spec sheets from battery manufacturers
state that the amp hour rating is based on a 20 hour lifetime.  For a 
4 Amp hour battery, they used a 4/20 or 1/5 amp current to test the lifetime.
Any current higher than this will give a shorter lifetime, less current will
give a longer lifetime.  I tend to run my gell-cells at about 1 amp, and
the lifetime is significantly less than the "4 amp hours" stated on the
box.

Also, it is important that you don't run gell cells down too far.  Doing
so will decrease their useful life.  They need to be stored fully charged.

Karen Walrath
MIT
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Super bike:un-super wheels
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:47:40 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 10225@news2.cis.umn.edu, kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu (Groenke) writes:
>>Wheels: Sun Metal 16A front, Ritchey Vantage Pro WCS rear. >Wheelsmith
>15/17 front, 28/2X. Wheelsmith 14/16 rear, 32/3X.
>
>I think I have to contest!!  I've had way too much experience with
>Vantage's and it's all bad. 

I've never even had to true my Vantages, though I'm very light.

> Nothing irks me more than seeing cracks
>around spoke holes on a month old rim!!!  Wait I guess pulling a spoke
>nipple though a rim in the middle of a race irks me alot too.
>In my book if a rim doesn't have eyelets, I won't buy it, no matter how
>much praise I hear.  I like the Matrix Mt. Titans at 395 grms, I think
>the Mavic's have eyelets too.

I've been wondering about these. Any more comments on the Matrix's (Matrices)?

>
>I would also consider the Boulder Defiant Ti frame

Good point. An excellent choice.

>***********************************************
>Kevin J. Groenke
>Student Lab Services Coordinator               o               o
>Shepherd Laboratories                       (  \-           (  \-
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Michael Wong
msw10@ras.amdahl.com
From: johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re: Avocet 50 altitude errors (was Re: RAMROD altitude gain)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:26:40 GMT
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:

> One thing I'm suspicious of is the part about the altimeter shutting itself
> off if there is no rotational or button input for a few hours.  I should pay
> more attention, but I swear the altitude reads different on my dormant MTB
> every morning.  Maybe this shutoff feature is not working, and draining the
> battery faster than expected?

The altimeter doesn't shut off when the unit is not being used.  It just
updates much less frequetly -- every minute instead of every second, if I
remember correctly.  It "wakes up" if the wheel turns or if you push either
button.

					- Phil
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Cold weather cycling
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:24:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.203852.2570@unislc.uucp> miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.192224.24219@julian.uwo.ca> you write:
>>Gore-tex, thinsulate socks are available for around $40.
>>They will keep your feet warm and dry.

>I'm not familiar with them.  Are they thick enough to require a larger
>than average shoe size?  Also, to what temperatures will these guys keep
>the feet warm?

I have the Gore-tex over-socks from REI.  They are thick enough to
make my already-tight bike shoes too tight.  But then, I just use
boots in the winter anyway, since I find bike shoes are pretty useless
below freezing (or in the snow).  The Gore-tex socks (with the boots)
kept my feet plenty warm and dry every day of the winter last year
(but it never got below about 10F here in Boston).  They also work 
well for cross-country skiing, hiking, etc.

John_Ampe@att.com
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:14:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:

>I crashed, bad, fast, hard.  I was going around a good turn at just under
>50 km/h when what I thought was a water patch was oil.  My bike flew out from
>under me and the first thing to hit the ground was the top of my head.  My
>... much delete - glad Stacy is basically OK.

I crashed hard 2 years ago. The rider next to me hit a piece of wood
in the road and went under me. My front wheel potato(e) chipped and 
I was thrown over the handlebars to the pavement at about 22-24mph.
I hit on my head and shoulder. Helmet trashed, shoulder separated and
lots of road rash. Otherwise OK. A co-worker of mine had a similar accident
where he hit a dog and was launched airborne. He was going a bit slower
at 18mph, but hit his head (no helmet) and had a major concussion. Loss
of memory (3 weeks prior to the accident never came back). He seemed
a bit dingy to me for about 6 months.

I have heard many stories like this. Perhaps helmets do not prevent
death in severe accidents, but there are many cases where they have
lessened injury in more common minor accidents. I have yet to hear
a story where someone claims they wish they were *not* wearing a helmet.
I'm sure they exist, but I doubt they are plentiful.

Jim Moore
From: RADDAMSW@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hyperglide freehubs
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:08:26 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

In article <seXxQRy00iUxM2rQAH@andrew.cmu.edu>, db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas S.
Brashear) says:
>
>Hiya- I had a big question and hoped you biking gurus could provide some
>suggestions for me...
>
>I have a 400Lx hyperglide hub on a rear MTB wheel, where the bearings
>for the freewheel portion (or at least the bearing section that would be
>in a regular freewheel...the bearings that allow the cassette to rotate)
>have worn out.  The freehub no longer makes the clicking sound, and when
>you attempt pedaling, it keeps slipping.  I know that the hub is the
>problem...
>my question:
>Is there any way that this section can be replaced if I get a similar
>hub for parts?
>How hard is the task?
>I have already purchased a new wheel, so my downtime will be nominal!
>Any replies would be greatly appreciated!
>Thanks,
>DOUG
>db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu

      You can buy the freehub bodies from most Shimano parts distributors. I
guess over there the price will be around $15-$20, but that's just a guess.
To remove the old one you need a 10mm allen wrench. Take the axle out of the
hub and remove the bearings from the freehub side. At the back of the freehub
is a hollow 10mm allen bolt that holds the freehub body to the wheel hub.Insert
the allen wrench into the open end of the hub (where the axle goes) and remove
this bolt. This may take a bit of force. Be careful not to loose any spacing
washers that may be between the freehub and the wheel hub itself. Put the new
freehub body in place, screw the bolt back in and re-pack the bearings. Easy as
pie.....(famous last words ;o). Oh, and the DX and XT freehubs will last longer
than the 400LX if you have the cash to upgrade.


Steve JW (MadBritishMountainBikerAndMaterialsScientist)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kritt@einoed.in-berlin.de (Kritt G.)
Subject: Trispokes
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:51:01 GMT

Hi..

Has anybody out there experiences with trispoke wheels on a mountain bike? Do 
they provide the same/more/less strength compared to regular wheels? Brands?

I must admit, the only thing I know about them is they look great 8)...

Thanks for your key hits..

Kritt
-- 
     Notifier assertion botched: More than 1 paranoid using enumerator

                                                       kritt@einoed.in-berlin.de
Einoed Unix & Netzwerke. Koepenicker Str. 154, 1 Berlin 36. Tel: 611 3[1,2] 26
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Avocet 40 MAX speed problems - is there a cure?
Summary: Or should I return it?
Organization: Center for Life Fulfillment
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:47:26 GMT

I saw this thread go by earlier, but I didn't have an Avocet then.  Now I do.
Within 10 miles it has registered two very false MAX speeds.  I know when
I've gone 49 mph.

Is there a cure for this or should I just return it. (So much for QA.)

--
  *************************************************************************
     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!nyx!canderso
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
  *************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:29:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.102108.8273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>I heard a story about a guy in a road race being handed a water bottle full of
>lead (Pb) at the start of a long descent. Around 8kg (17.6 lbs) extra!
>
>One way to get your speed up, I suppose!
>
>-------
>Charles
>
>ftgcdj@uk.ac.oxford.vax


Yes, but if he took a sip he would die of metal poisoning (;-) .

-dk
From: alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drillium
Summary: You can do it...
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:37:40 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

In article <1992Aug15.050252.14718@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.141754.18868@ncs.com> dick@ncs.com writes:
> >Don't drill out your water bottles.
> 
> Why not?  This is one of those rare circumstances where you can save
> more than the weight of the part you are drilling!  Furthermore, a
> sufficiently drilled waterbottle is even lighter than an undrilled one
> filled with Helium!

Believe it or not, I knew someone who used to do this to his water
bottles. He'd drill them out and then line them with a plastic sandwich
bag to hold the water. No one *dared* suggest that he might in fact have
a net gain in weight - because when dealing with an individual such as
this you are very careful what you said to him. 

Also at that time (back in the 70's) some company was selling very light seatposts
made of Lexan (??). He bought one, drilled it out, and rode with it. Naturally
it broke and sent him crashing to the ground. Not to be deterred by one "faulty"
seatpost, he bought another - but this time he used a smaller diameter drill bit
for his litening holes. The second one also broke but this time while he was
riding his rollers, so at least he didn't hit the pavement. Luckily the company
folded before he could get his hands on a third seatpost. 

This is a true story - really !! :-)