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From: labelle@hfglobe.intel.com (George La Belle)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:02:33 GMT

dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes:

> Those stupid Monday Night FB announcers were driving me nuts with the
> damn praise of Joe Montana and the 49ers. I mean a few nice words would
> suffice. You would have thought Jesus was on the field by the way those
> idiots were acting. I mean they literally spent 3 hours praising them.
> Does anyone feel the same? A little praise is nice but such blatant
> favoritism is stupid.

	Yeah, and I loved every minute of it!!! The Lions were just there
	as sparring partners. Joe was the only reason to watch this game.

	It is possible that Montana will never play again, in which case,
	this WAS the last time to see a legend play.
From: rx84335@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CRUNCH TIME - FISH PULL IF OFF!
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:20:00 GMT
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In article <1992Dec21.170443.15231@Princeton.EDU>, Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes...
>In article <1992Dec21.041911.26052@PacBell.COM> JOHN,
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>>3rd and 7....Nagle HOs to Brown, stopped in the
>>backfield for a LOSS. Migthy stupid play calling IMHO.
>>Just gives the FISH another opportunity to win the game.
> 
>	I have to disagree, I was yelling at them not to pass, just get the :25
>off the clock and give it up.  The reasons the play ended up being so bad
>was the 28 or so yard punt and the sieve-like defense of the Jets.  Think
>about the situation.  You can leave the 'Fins with 1:15, no time-outs on
>about their own 40.  The lack of time-outs is the clincher for me.  The
>problem was the Jets secondary letting the 'Fins receivers run sideline
>patterns for 15 or 20 yards a pop. Also you have to count on your punter
>to come up with at least a 40 yarder when you need it, no excuse for that
>thing he called a punt
> 
>	I've only seen three or four Jets games this year and from what I've
>seen of Nagle I'd say don't let him touch the ball in this situation. 
>Now there are plenty of Nagle lovers out there and that's fine, but the
>fact is, he's had a horrible year, talent or not.
> 
>WOW that's alot of analysis for onee play, huh?

I have to agree with John.  The Jets are a 4-10 team, and the
reason is that they don't try to win the game, they try not to lose.
In that situation, I think you go and get the first down,
not give the ball away.

> 
>FRANK
>__________________________________________
>Go 'Canes & Cowboys
>frank@wanda.princeton.edu
>__________________________________________
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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Chuck Cecil in Pro Bowl???????
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:21:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.190325.27130@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:
>
>1.  Cecil is not even close to being the best in the conference, let alone
>the central division

I was a little suprised to see him starting in the pro bowl, although
I thought he had a chance to make it.  Cecil had some huge games at
the end of the season which gave him some good press, particularly 
the ESPN game against Houston.  Also, their are very few outstanding 
safeties in the NFC.  Evidently the players feel Cecil is one of the
two best safeties in the NFC.

>2.  He is a cheap shot artist

Cecil is a hard hitter, but he isn't any more dirty than Ronnie Lott.

>3.  so, How many int's did he have this year???????

He had four, certainly a respectable number.  Also, his hard hitting
caused several dropped passes by oppenents "looking over their shoulder"
for him.


-Todd
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Greatest Quarterback Ever?
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:58:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfDgyzu00WDKICJ49a
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 23-Dec-92 Greatest
Quarterback Ever? Stephen Joseph Smith@cs. (1299)

> To be fair:
> Joe Montana [22 consecutive completions in 1987, won 4 Super Bowls, 
> 		quarterback of the 80's 49ers]

and those 22 "consecutive" completions came over two games. Not to take
anything away from them, but don't go thinking he had 22 straight in one
game....

--Vernon.
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 09:22:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Cowboys '91 LB sacks (was Re: Aikman a weakness?!? (was Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)))
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
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>(Gary Strand) / 10:51 am  Dec 23, 1992 /
>(Lots of blather about jpg deleted)

> Like I said, I'm a anti-niner-whiner. You guys still have a long ways to go
> to come back from last year's flood of whining. I've never seen anything so
> pathetic.

Since the 'Niners have rebounded this year, we've heard very little
about the Hail Mary, but Buffalo fans were still crying about Norwood's
missed FG in the AFC/NFC wars.  BTW, I once posted that the 'Niners
should have stopped Atlanta earlier in that drive.  But it's easier to
just lump us all together, isn't it?

> BTW, do you give any credit to the Bills?

Buffalo has had two excellent wins this year agains strong NFC teams,
overcoming big halftime deficits to beat S. F. and N. O. on the road.
But if the Bills don't eventually win a league championship, these wins
will have little more meaning than Phoenix's upset of the 'Niners.

The benchmark of excellence for a professional sports team is winning
the championship of its league.  Believe it or not, this idea was not
just dreamed up by John Gloria and Ed Lor so they could taunt AFC fans
on r.s.f.p. - it has *always* been true in *all* pro team sports.  Until
Buffalo wins a championship, it will just be a team that couldn't quite
get over the top no matter what they do in the regular season.

Here's an example that will undoubtedly irritate you, but proves my
point.  Your Broncos went 3-1 against my Niners in the '80s.  The three
wins were in regular season games.  The one loss, well, you know.  Not
even many Bronco fans would claim this shows Denver was a superior team
in the '80s (well, maybe *you* would :^)).  But more to the point, I
doubt if even *those* Bronco fans wouldn't love to reverse the outcomes
of all those games.  I'm certain every '49er fan would NOT reverse those
outcomes, so help me Montana :^) :^).

>Apparently, unless SF is in the Super Bowl, something is wrong
>with the NFL. Nuts to that attitude!

I don't recall posting this.  Care to refresh my memory?

- Gary Rosen
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Season Greetings
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:03:50 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hi,

Season Greetings to all of you out there!!

Congradulations to Cowboy, Niner, Vikes, Chargers, Bills and Pitt fans
on your teams (probably) winning their respective divisions.

Congrats to fans of other teams who will make it to the playoffs.

And a special congrats and best wishes to Eagle fans.  I'd been giving
them a hard time all season (hey, gotta have SOME fun:-) but I'd like
to be wish them the best in the playoffs!

And an even more special congrats to all fellow GIANTS fans... we got the
best Christmas gift of all!!


satish nair
happy holidays

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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Crow tastesreally bad
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:39:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5


Congrats to the Dolphins and their fans, you guys won round one and I wish
you best of luck in the play-offs.





Kevin
(Go BILLS!)
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From: johndoe@jefferson.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Detailed Playoff Picture [LONG]
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
	<57442@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:29:30 GMT

In article <57442@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca) writes:

   In article <1992Dec23.020507.17052@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> danp@sabre.bellcore.com (Daniel Pomplun) writes:
   >

   I don't know if this is a mistake. I'm just wondering:

   >Kansas City (9-6)  Denver
   >
   >	win & SD win & Miami loss &
   >	  points(Miami-NE)+32 > points(KC-Denver)	- WC2

   In this scenario, shouldn't be taken into account also the outcome
   of Buffalo@Houston game? If Houston wins, shouldn't be Houston
   be WC2 and Kansas City WC3?

   In fact, Miami, Houston and KC will be tied at 10-6. Houston is
   initially left out because of conference record and Miami gets WC1
   having better net points than KC.  After that, Houston re-enters
   the picture and beats out KC for WC2 (head-to-head OT win back in
   September).

i think this is not the case because the tie-breaker works in reverse,
meaning houston falls out of the tie-breaker at the comparison of conference
records, and thus ends up with the third wild-card place, 
though you have a good point.

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From: greg@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Greg Noel)
Subject: Re: San Diego in playoffs?????
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:09:54 GMT

Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>Could this be the only team to start 0-4 and make it?  Anyone go 0-3 and 
>make the playoffs?  Just wonderin'

'Tis true.  In fact, no team has every opened 0-4 and ended up winning as
many as _eight_ games(*).  And now there's even a reasonable chance that
they may end up winning the division, as well.  Amazing.

(*) Note that this would have been only marginally possible when there were
twelve regular-season games and very difficult when there were fourteen, so
it's not _quite_ so astonishing that it has never happened before.  On the
other hand, the Chargers managed it in just thirteen games....

I just wish I believed that they played consistantly enough to think about
winning in post-season play.  Next year, after they have faced a stronger
schedule during the year, maybe I will be able to expect more....

It's a funny feeling for the Chargers to be in the playoffs---I can remember
thinking when I read Tom Clancy's new book (approximate title, _The_Sum_Of_
_All_Fears) that it was obviously fiction, since it had the Chargers playing
in the SuperBowl....
-- 
-- Greg Noel, Unix Guru         greg@qualcomm.com  or  greg@noel.cts.com
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From: danp@sabre.bellcore.com (Daniel Pomplun)
Subject: Re: Playoff games - NFC
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:56:57 GMT


Good overview!

One minor point:

>         #1 SanFranciso 
>         #2 Dallas
>         #3 Minnesota
>         #4 New Orleans/Philadelphia
>         #5 Philadelphia/New Orleans
>         #6 Washington/ Green Bay

should be:

         #1 SanFranciso 
         #2 Dallas
         #3 Minnesota
         #4 New Orleans/Philadelphia
         #5 Philadelphia/New Orleans/Green Bay
         #6 Washington/ Green Bay/Philadelphia


Daniel Pomplun, Bellcore, danp@sabre.bellcore.com
Phone:  (908) 758-2740  Fax: (908) 758-4268
331 Newman Springs Rd, Red Bank, NJ 07701-7020,  MS: NVC-1E246
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:52:44 GMT

In article <29118@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
>    To settle this, does anyone have stats showing W-L records for
>regular season games AFC vs. NFC? 
Geez, why do you want to do that? Gary Strand has been campaigning 
AFC vs NFC regular season records for years. Why? because that's the
only AFC vs NFC criteria in the last decade that's close.

>That would provide a larger data base than just comparing Super Bowl records. 
A larger data base != more accurate reflection on a particular issue.
Would you use the daily traffic on a particular highway to reflect the 
traffic on holidays? or daily telephone traffic to reflect the traffic 
on Mothers' Day?

Our point is simply: best of NFC > best of AFC. There is no argument about 
it.  The only way to dodge the argument is:

1) compare the AFC vs NFC in the regular season
2) bring back the 70s SB to make the comparison more even
3) claim that the 49ers/Redskins/Giants/Bears have NOTHING to do with 
   the NFC; they are just in that conference by accident

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Boston Redskins
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 29 DEC 92 12:58:25    

In article <1992Dec29.150444.6813@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle) writes...

>From article <DMERCER.92Dec28154622@ap1pyr.oracle.com>, by dmercer@oracle.com (David Mercer):
>> This would probably have been back in the days when the Pats played in
>> Fenway (yes, Fenway).  Red Sox and Patriots were considered
>> complimentary (AL & AFC), and there was a third Boston team, the
>> Braves (NL, now in Atlanta).  When Boston acquired another football
>> team (NFC), they named it the Redskins (now in Washington) to
>> compliment the Braves.
> 
>Interesting calendar you have there, Dave.  What happens next year, Ameche
>scores a touchdown in overtime?
> 
>The Patriots were formed in 1960.  The (baseball) Braves were long gone
>by then, having moved to Milwaukee in 1953 (or 54).  The Boston Redskins
>date back to the thirties, and were in Washington by at least the early
>fifties, possibly even earlier.
> 
>Oh, and the Boston Patriots were not AF*C*, they were AF*L*, until the two
>leagues merged after the 1970 Super Bowl.

The *Boston* Redskins were defeated by the Green Bay Packers in the NFL 
Championship game on December 13, 1936.  The *Washington* Redskins, 
led by rookie QB Sammy Baugh, defeated the Chicago Bears in the NFL 
Championship on December 12, 1937.

JGH
From: dsj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Scott Janecek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes-Pack (was Re: Green to go full strength against the Pack.)
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:28:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: dsj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


>>Any comments on this from other Vike-fans???
> 
> Well, since you asked... :-)  I agree.  A win by the Vikes over the Pack
> would make it clear that they are the best in the Central.  There's no
> question that they deserve the division title, but there's still some 
> question among a lot of people about who is the best team.  It would be nice
> if the Vikes could come away with a win and put these questions to rest.
> It will be tough, because the Pack is definitely playing better football
> right now.  I just hope that this is the game where the Vikes iron out their
> offensive problems, and in the process gain some confidence for the playoffs.
> Incidentally, I don't think they will ever completely solve their offensive
> problems until they get a real QB, but I'm hoping against hope that Gannon or
> Salisbury can get hot and we can make the most of this postseason.

	I also agree, although I wouldn't be surprised if Green tried
to really 'open' up his offense while disregarding turnovers. I really
feel that you will see many long passes to try and get something
going.I also feel while the Vikings may 'say' their going
fullstrength, they will be quick to pull out their starters at the
tiniest hint of pain from one of them. I just feel that the best way
to get their offensive out of their slump is to go very aggresive the
whole game and not concentrate on interceptions OR the score board,
and I think that is what the Vikes will do. Should make for a very
interesting game. 


	P.S. - Someone a while ago replied to me asking about the
newspaper called 'The Viking Update'. If he/she reads this, please
reply again as I lost your original address...



			dan
From: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Immaculate Reception---NOT !!!
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:49:50 GMT
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc.

In article <petersen-261292234323@elvex33.acns.nwu.edu> petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec26.073442.20901@gagme.chi.il.us>, statz@gagme.chi.il.us
>(Louis B. Del Boccio) wrote:
>> 
>>  All the officials gathered at the side lines for a few minutes.
>>  The official that was interviewed was the one who went over to
>>  the side line phones and made a call to security and ask if they
>>  had enough security people to handle a riot.
>> 
>>  The official hung up the phone and continued to talk to the other
>>  officials and the call was " Touchdown " .
>
>This may be true or it may be urban legend. It is of course completely
>unrelated to whether or not it was a legitimate play or not.
> 

I saw a spot on this last week and the Ref. went to the dugout and
used the phone and called the Head of NFL referee's who was in the press
box. I think the bit abour security is just Urban Legend.

BTW - The head of Referee's told the Ref. on the feild to make the call.
Also Franco Harris said he honestly did not know if he caight the ball
or trapped it. And the Steeler near the tip said he would never tell
if he had touched the ball or not, he said, "that is my only secret" or
words to taht effect.

This was on NBC Saturday I think.


+--------------------------------------+
|Huett Bishop                          |
| Tandem Telecommuncations Systems Inc.|
|Dallas, TX                            |
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: Wildcard Teams to the Super Bowl
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 07:16:30 GMT

In article <OLIVER.92Dec20045426@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>This nonsense has gone on long enough.
>
>The first wildcard team to make it to the Super Bowl were the 1969 Kansas
>City Chiefs.  You can look it up.
>

I looked it up.  The first Wildcard team EVER was in the 1970 season, so
it seems rather unlikely that a 1969 team could have been a wildcard team
before the wildcard system was in place (ie after the merger).  

Since the AFL only had two divisions, the second place team from one
division would play the first place team from the other division 
for the divisional playoffs.  KC wasn't a WILDCARD team, it was 
a second place finisher its division.

The FIRST wildcard team in the Superbowl:
	Dallas in 1975 who lost to Pittsburgh.

The FIRST wildcard winner of the Superbowl:
	Oakland in 1980 who beat Philadelphia.

The NEXT and LAST wildcard visit to the Superbowl:
	New England in 1985 who lost to Chicago.

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace

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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: VIKINGS WIN!!! 6-3
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:18:54 CST

In article <1992Dec21.134001.27322@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec20.210940.14098@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
>->From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
>->Subject: Re: VIKINGS WIN!!! 6-3
>->
>->In article <1h2mtfINN2lo@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>->>
>->>	Ugly or not, we are the NFC Central Champs! We have beaten a
>->>	winning team in Pittsburgh, and we are definately headed to the
>->>	playoffs. Awesome Sunday!
>->>
>->>	Mark
>->>	GO VIKINGS!
>->>
>->>	ps- Sorry Pack fans, you gave it a great effort, just a bit short.
>->>
>->
>->sorry, not to cause any flames, but if the Vikes cannot
>->score anymore than 6 points, their playoff advancement hopes are
>->rather dismal.
>->-- 
>-> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>->"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>->everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
>->
>
>SO WHAT!!  You only need 6 points if the other team only gets 3. :^)
>
>Awesome defense.
You held a Neil O'Donnel'less Steelers to 3 points, big deal.  We (The Packers)
held them to seven earlier this year, with Neil.  The Steelers aren't exactly a
high powered offense, when you get to the playoffs you'll probably be facing
the Redskins offense.  Tell you what, 6 points won't win the game.

-Chris C.

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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Vikings Playoff chances/QB
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 02:26:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.202658.18281@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:

>My choices for the new Viking QB.

>4.  Fran Tarkenton 

Do you think he could come back in time for the first playoff game? :-)

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: wildcat@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Wes Wildcat)
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves has been fired!
Keywords: Broncos to seek new head coach!
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:37:56 GMT


	I think Shanahan will be the next coach, at least Elway liked him.  I 
look for Reeves to have another job by the end of this week.  Wade Phillips
might just go where Dan goes.
From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: new playoff format
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:42:27 GMT
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

i have a new playoff sheme for you. it is similiar to the NBA format. 
1. keep the teams seperated in the 2 conference so keep rivalry.
2. every NFC team plays every other NFC team (13 games)
3. the 3 remaining game can be played against AFC teams to be determined based on last years performance eg. top teams in the NFC last year(wash.) would play
the bills, broncos, and oilers.
4. the top 6 or 8 teams in each conference go to the playoffs. tiebreakers
for playoff are easy: "i beat you in the regular season, I go to the 
playoffs".

what do you guys think.

							vinnie
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