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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Florida!  THE college football state
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:57:43 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

>Final AP Top 25
>
> 1. Alabama (62)     13-0-0   1,550
> 2. Florida St.      11-1-0   1,470
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 3. Miami            11-1-0   1,410
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 4. Notre Dame       10-1-1   1,375
> 5. Michigan          9-0-3   1,266   (Woof!)
> 6. Syracuse         10-2-0   1,209
> 7. Texas A&M        12-1-0   1,167
> 8. Georgia          10-2-0   1,159
> 9. Stanford         10-3-0   1,058
>10. Florida           9-4-0     931
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>11. Washington        9-3-0     892
>12. Tennessee         9-3-0     819
>13. Colorado          9-2-1     818
>14. Nebraska          9-3-0     771
>15. Washington St.    9-3-0     618
>16. Mississippi       9-3-0     583
>17. N. Carolina St.   9-3-1     582
>18. Ohio St.          8-3-1     493
>19. North Carolina    9-3-0     491
>20. Hawaii           11-2-0     354
>21. Boston College    8-3-1     314
>22. Kansas            8-4-0     183
>23. Mississippi St.   7-5-0     167
>24. Fresno St.        9-4-0     124
>25. Wake Forest       8-4-0     107


As we can see, all three major colleges in Florida finished in the top 10. 
No other state has more than one (1) school in the top 10.  Kind of gives
a good indication of the strength of football in Florida doesn't it?

The state of North Carolina gets honorable mention with 3 teams in the top 25.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu (David Mathias)
Subject: Cotton Bowl matchup
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:00:03 GMT


A couple weeks back I sent a letter and the remains of my Mobil
credit card to Bob Smith of the Cotton Bowl to protest the 
selection of #5 Notre Dame over #3 Florida State.  What follows
is the response I received:

============================================================================

Dear David:

Thank you for your recent letter expressing your interest in the team
selection process for the 1993 Mobil Cotton Bowl Classic.

When selescting the visiting team to attend the Cotton Bowl, it's our
responsibility to examine a complex list of long term interests.
Despite the myths generated by the media, greed was not a factor in
this decision making process because our income was not contingent
on a selection of either Notre Dame or Florida State.

With the initiation of the College Football Coalition this season, the
selection process in 1992 proved to be both rewarding and challenging.
Because the Coalition developed a protocol among the committees, a
#1 vs. #2 matchup was secured in the USF&G Sugar Bowl, and an
improved system was utilized for the remaining bowl game matchups.
As a member of this Coalition, the Mobil Cotton Bowl committed
itself only to the selection process, not a predetermined selection
based solely upon national rankings.  Unfortunately, the media has
misled the public into believing that an obligation existed within
the Coalition agreement to match #3 and #4 or perhaps even #5 and #6.
This perception could not be further from the truth.

We are enthusiastic about a Texas A&M vs. Notre Dame matchup.  A
rematch with Florida State was simply not as attractive to the 
majority of our fans.  The Notre Dame football team is a quality,
nationally respected opponent.  The winner of this year's Mobil
Cotton Bowl can be assured that their final ranking in the national
polls will be enhanced.

Please know that every member of the selection committee appreciate
the concern you have expressed to us.  But for the reasons I have
communicated to you above, trust that we have acted in what we believe
to be the best interest of the Mobil Cotton Bowl Classic and the
Southwest Conference.

Best personal regards,

Robert Smith, III
President

============================================================================


A few notes: I'm sure that this is a form letter since it addresses
some issues that I did not raise.  For instance, I never questioned
the quality of the ND football team.  In fact, I believe that they
were a very worthy opponent (as evidenced by the outcome).  Also,
I never indicated that I was under the impression that the Cotton
Bowl was obligated to choose Florida State but simply that I felt
that they did TAMU, FSU and the Cotton Bowl a disservice by not
selecting the highest ranked team available.  

Anyway, thought some of you might enjoy this.

-- 

David Mathias    Washington University in St Louis    dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu

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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Blame it on Gino
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:53:47 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16


In article <C0CpMr.IG9@cs.uiuc.edu>, bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:
> 
> Actually, I think Miami's "taunting" image is no longer true. 

|From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
|    They ran up and down Bourbon Street jawing at the Tide players all week.
|Their comments were hardly complimentary.  They (especially lamar thomas) stood
|in front of the Alabama fans and taunted them before the game.  Their captains
|refused to shake hands before the game.  The only reason that they did none of
|their characteristic actions on the field was that Alabama gave them no chance
|to do anything to celebrate about.  Perfect gentlemen.


Let's not act like Bama's fans were acting like perfect little angels.  Bama's
fans are experts on " TRASH TALKING and TAUNTING ".  

The several thousand Bama fans ( i.e. 10,000 ) wore a button for days that said;

                       FUCK MIAMI
                          or
                       PISS on MIAMI
                          or
                      TO HELL WITH MIAMI 


Not even kids were safe from the Bama's Lynch mob.  Dennis Erickson's 14 year
old son was punched in the face a few times, and knocked to the ground,  at
the Super Dome by several 25 year old Bama fans.  There was no excuse, for
that type of crap.

Miami fans were out numbered 6 to 1.  Walking back to the car through the 
French Quarter with Hurricane colors was very dangerous.   Lots of fights,
lots of arrests.  After the game the alcohol was talking, and so was lot's
of ANGELIC BAMA fans. It was wild in the streets.

The Miami Ibis mascot was shot in the face on New Years Eve, when he
was cheering with the Miami's Cheerleader on Bourbon Street. The police
did feel that this was a random shooting, but most Cane fans didn't
hear that it was random until the day after the game.   

Go ahead a put all the blame on the Canes. IMHO, 98% of the Bama fans even
with the button were very nice to talk with before the game.   If, Miami's
players were jawing, and the Bama players were perfect quite angels, then
the rest of the Bama fans sure made up for the extra jawing and trash talking.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: ND not worthy
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:09:29 GMT

In article <C0C25G.7t0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris
Brandt) writes:
>Gee, I thought Notre Dame was not a worthy opponent
>of Texas A&M; but what was I thinking?  I would think
>if Notre Dame was not worthy then at least Texas A&M
>would beat the Irish, or at least score a touchdown.

I thought you would have known by now that no one thought ND was not a worthy
opponent, except for NBC and you. ND was a worthy opponent and should be glad
they had a chance against the #4 team in the nation instead of going against
the 11th ranked team. Aggies got beat, and bad. So life goes on. Stop gloating.

>
>Then to top it all of and make my New Year's Day the
>best since January 1, 1989; Miami got beat by
>Alabama!!
>
>But I guess all you experts in rec.sport.football.college
>are so much more knowledgeable than me.

So, r.s.f.c god, how did Purdue do in their bowl game? 

>
>Chris Brandt
>brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>e
>



*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: fwang@thomas.helios.nd.edu (Fu-Quan Wang)
Subject: Re: ND recruiting
Reply-To: fwang@thomas.helios.nd.edu (Fu-Quan Wang)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:01:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.143708.14634@wl.com>, wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
|> 	Does anyone have a list of players who have given verbal committments
|> to ND? Although they are non-binding it does give an indication in how the
|> recruiting is going.
|> 	Ron Powles is scheduled to visit this coming weekend. Supposedly he
|> was interested in ND, Miami, and Penn State (My order, not his). While it would
|> be great to have him I think that the Holtz offense doesn't depend on the
|> passing ability of a QB like a Miami. That's why I am more concerned about 
|> getting RBs than QBs.  Also it is crucial to get a quality kicker like the kid
|> from Colorado. I guess he is also a baseball player who has been misinformed that ND is going to be dropping their baseball program. That would be funny since it just got to the NCAA playoffs last yearand they are building a new stadium.
|> I'm sure that it was just an honest mistake by some other schools representative.
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> ***************************************************************
|> Russ Wyborski               |The opinions expressed here are
|> Biotechnology Dept.         |entirely my own and in no way

Here is a list of the high school prospects who have verbally committed
to Notre Dame:

1. Chris Clevenger, 6-7, 255, Offensive/defensive tackle, Wichita, Kan.

2. Robert Farmer, 6-1, 215, running back, Blingbrook, Ill.

3. Rick Kaczenski, 6-5, 240, tight end, Erir, Pa.

4. Jeff Kilburg, 6-4, 245, defensive tackle, Park Ridge, Ill.

5. Chris Kurpeikis, 6-7, 295, offensive tackle, Pittsburgh, Pa.

6. Brian Perry, 6-0, 205, running back/defensive back, Avon Park, Fla.

7. Kinon Tatum, 6-0, 185, defensive back, Fayatteville, N.C.

*********************************************************************
Fu-Quan Wang
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From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Ohio St - recruiting
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:50:24 GMT


All this talk about great recruiting classes year after year by the Buckeyes
makes me laugh. These ratings of recruiting classes are highly suspect. There
is a huge difference between being a star in high school and making it in
college. The Little 10 has had many schools (Iowa, Illinois, OSU, Mich. St)
with highly rated recruiting classes year after year and yet the conference 
is a shadow of what it once was - except for Michigan. Only three schools 
went to
bowl games and one of those - Illinois - didn't deserve it. They were
invited because of lots of fan support and a huge number of alumni.

I'm very skeptical of recruit ratings - until I see them play.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Final AP Poll
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 04:33:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.185141.8139@bnlux1.bnl.gov> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.125048.6704@dbsun.uucp> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
>>	Rank   School              Record   Points
>>	------------------------------------------
>>	  13   Colorado             9-2-1      818
>>	  14   Nebraska             9-3-0      771
>
>How in Aunt Fannie's Corset can Nebraska be ranked lower than Colordo?
>Nebraska thoroughly beat Colorado in the regular season and both lost
>in bowl games.  In addition, there's the Buffs tie to Oklahoma.

Well, it's not like that's the only situation.  How about WSU and UW?  We
thrashed them this year also, and we finished with the same record as them
(not even half a game behind as in your case).  And we wound up a full four
positions behind them in the poll, not just one.


>First there was the perennial bias against the Huskers in the electronic
>media starting with ABC and Keith Jackson, now it's the voters.  I would
>have reversed the positions and possibly put the Huskers at #11.

And moved UW where?  Would you have the Huskers above UW?  UW destroyed
Nebraska, and according to your theory, they merit a higher ranking.

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Subject: Re: A Question about the "Bear"
Reply-To: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:50:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.160712.13874@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>When Alabama won one of their Nat'l Championships in the 60/70's, they
>went in to the bowl ranked number 1. They had a chance to play the
>number 2 ranked team in the nation in one certain bowl but elected to
>play the number 16th(?) ranked team in another bowl. 
>
>Is their any truth to this? Can someone help me with this? There is a
>big argument in my office about this.
>
>-- 
>
>Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com

I don't have the teams ranking but I can provide the bowl results:
1961 team beat Arkansas in the sugar to go 11-0
1964 team lost to Texas in the orange to go 10-1 
1965 team beat Nebraska in the orange to go 9-1-1

1973 team lost to Notre Dame in the sugar
1978 team beat Ohio State in the sugar
1979 team beat Penn State in the sugar
All these team won either AP or UPI or both.


The 1966 team beat Nebraska i the sugar to go 11-0 but did not win
the MNC.
Hope this helps.
By the way what is new in recruiting news??
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: More Bowl comments
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:45:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.194733.13960@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.172127.11958@walter.bellcore.com>
> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
> > Well, after watching almost all of the bowls, here are some
> > of my reflections and comments:
> > ...
> > UGLY FIELD AWARD: ... I would cringe upon seeing that sorry disgrace
> > of a field in Tempe.  ... What a way for IBM to advertise their name
>
> Not really, think about it: IBM = dirt...pretty much sums it up don't
> you think! :)

If you listen closely, you can hear the price of their stock falling! :-)

> > MOST UNDESERVED BOWL BID AWARD: Sorry Penn State, but 0-5 vs. bowl 
> > teams and 2-5 vs. teams with a winning record shows just what happens
> > when a NYD bowl bid is extended too early.  I didn't win any of my 
> > pools, but I was able to clean up in that game.  Hey Spiro, we miss 
> > you already. 
>
> Penn State had NO business being on the field.

Speaking of undeserved accolades, can anyone explain why Penn State,
with a miserable 7-5 record, is still in the CNN Top 25?  Inquiring
minds want to know! ?8-)

-- 
*realName: Phil Harbison
*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
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Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:45:31 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:43:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.155803.9472@infonode.ingr.com> Tony Bowman,
tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
>|> >After watching the Canes players talk trash, brag, taunt, walk out of
>|> >social gatherings, and commit other childish unsportsmanlike conduct
>|> >over the last few years, I say this thumping is sweet as honey. Maybe
>|> >now they will climb under a rock with their traps shut for awhile.
>|> 
>|> FAT CHANCE, I think one loss in two years is nothing to shut a trap
about!
>|> 
>	Ah, my friend,  it was THE game you lost and how you lost it.
>	you were creamed? wouldn't you agree?
>|> >It is nice to have a classy national champion again.
>|> >
>|> >Norman
>|> 
>|> Go cry somewhere else Norm!
>|> 
>|> I wish everyone would wake up and realize that the reason they behave
in
>|> that way is to make people mad and lose their concentration and
>|> eventually their confidence.  Also will anyone argue that the 'Canes
>|> don't have anything to be cocky or arrogant about?  They have
dominated
>|> college football for ten years like few others ever have.  As I said
in
>|> another post, I can eat crow once every two years.
>|> 
>	Yes, I'll agree that Miami has dominated of late, but just remember
>	Bama has been at it a REAL long time and ...
>			WE'RE  BA-ACK !!!!!

I started school at UM in '87 and my first game watching Miami was the
Hail Flutie Bowl (BC vs. Miami) I don't remember anything before that so
you can have the tradition, I'll take winning NOW!

>|> Just think, if ND, USC, Bama, or any other "classy" team ever took
this
>|> kind of verbal beating every time they lost, their teams would be
dead by
>|> now.
>	Bama was taking bashing back when we used to beat you guys for
>	homecoming worse that we beat you on NYD !!!!

see above

>|> 
>|> Bring on the bashing, but as touchdown Jesus said "let he who is
without
>|> loss cast the first flame"
>|> 
>	Well, Bama IS without loss this year therefore we CAN flame !!! 8^)

That's my point, I said in another post that I can take the abuse.  We
bragged (justifiably) for the last two years.  However I see lots of
anti-Miami crap coming from all around, the people who can brag are the
true 'Bama fans, not the bandwagon crowd that has gathered.

BTW as Justin pointed out, don't misrepresent our support of the 'Canes
by saying Miami fans have been talking sh*t all year because I personally
have not and I haven't seen an inordinate amount of it.  You have the
right to woof and all that, but let's keep some control.

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 107--final
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:08:30 GMT

In article <rWf=3DA@engin.umich.edu>, martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
|> 
|> [useless, irrelevant bitching over a computer system (of all
|>  things!) deleted]
|> 
|> You need to get your head out of your ass......

That comment is totally uncalled for.

Shows what that single victory over a team with a winning record during 
a season can do to a fan's ego and their sense of justice.

I thought you learned your lesson in humility back in the summer after
being raked over the coals for recklessly and irresponsibly blathering
about other schools' reputations for academics and violations based 
totally on heresy (swc)?  Obviously not.

Hint: "hu" comes after "he".  Check it out next time you feel the need
to pull meaningless straws out of your ass to both prove an irrelevant 
point about a computer system and to unprovokingly criticize its author.

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 11:47:39 MST
From: zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: My suggestion to the NFL


There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.

Whatever happened to the old "Stay in School" phrase?  Wealth alone does
not educate.

There, just my 25 cents worth.

Steve
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From: rcj@controls.ccd.harris.com (Robert C. Jordan)
Subject: Recruiting - looking for information
Organization: Harris Controls Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:24:21 GMT

          Could someone please post some recruiting information.
          Either on a school basis or player/position basis.

                                              Roll Tide!
 
                                              Chuck Jordan
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From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: Blame it on Gino
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:40:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.215002.14516@b8.b8.ingr.com>, anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
|> Although I've put up with a lot of excessive (to say the least) bragging by Canes
|> fans, even I am amazed at the number who now claim the 34-13 ass whuppin' was
|> Gino's fault! I know many of these said fans are classless, but turning on their
|> Heisman trophy-winning golden boy just because he spent half the game on his back
|> is rather ruthless. Even though I thought all season Gino was over-rated, trying
|> to hang a generally lousy Canes performance on his neck is IMO downright cowardly.
 in
|> the first half. 

Agreed, while Gino did not play well, the loss was hardly his fault.
First of all, his third interception was the receiver's fault.  The ball
was in the right spot, and the receiver let himself get pounded out by
Teague (what a game he had!).  Also, when he threw that picture-perfect
strike to the receiver, even if the "fastest" man on the team couldn't
outrun Teague, at the very least if he hangs on to the ball, its first and
goal at the 5.  If Miami scored the TD (by no means a gimme against the
awesome defense) its only a 1TD margin...  Not that I believe Miami could
have won -- even after that absolutely amazing punt return for a TD
they looked beat; the play of the game that illustrated domainance
was after a sack to set up second and 15 at the 35, Teague runs right
up the gut for 14 yards and then they get the first down on the second
try..

Anyway, if you have to blame someone it is hardly fair to blame Gino --
its hardly his fault of he got the Heisman over two other (IMO) more
deserving candidates.  He did his best and got whipped as did Erickson.
They both admitted it and so should the Miami fans...  

Actually, I think Miami's "taunting" image is no longer true.  It
sticks with them because of the excesses earlier, but they seemed
to be the better behaved team on the field.  And there was
virtua;;y no fighting or penalties (I think the first one came
near the end of the first half).

|> Anthony

bharat
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