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From: mike@news.mr.med.ge.com (Michael Dyer)
Subject: Re: scsi & HP
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:16:52 GMT

>>mike@socrates.umd.edu (Mike Santangelo (UNIX/VMS Sysmgr)) writes:
> 
>>: You know, I would really hope that HP decides to put their money where
>>: there sales mouth is and correc the current situation.  We here "Open SCSI"
>>: and what is in place now is far from it.  I would hope that in HP-UX 9.0
>>: that they generalize the the SCSI driver for use with third-party disks.
>>: Any comment on this?  If this is the case, then the above statement
> 
>>In what way do you want the driver generalized?

	I want be be able to interface the various third party SCSI devices
	to my 800 series. I want to be able to interface third party 
		Discs
		Tapes
		IEEE-488 interfaces
		Page Scanners
		Special interfaces
		
	In general, if that third party device is SCSI compliant I
	want to be able to get it interfaced without a time & material
	contract with HP, and then every O/S update have to re-do the work.
	HP doesn't make everything, and making it harder for third party
	vendors to fill the gaps seems like conceding the market to SUN,
	DEC and IBM.  Somehow I doubt this is the intended strategy :-).

	I have an application now in which I would like to use an Analogic
	video image frame grabber -- the key hitch, it's SCSI and mimics a
	disc drive, from the previous discussions I have no confidence I'll
	be able to get it to work on my 835.  The device does work already
	with PCs, SUNs (3s, 4s & SPARCstations), DECstations, VAXstations,
	IBM RS/6000 and the HP 9000/300/400/700.  Not however the HP 800
	series.

	I am evaluating if the 300 series has enough compute power to
	handle the application (a rather specialized set image processing
	and evaluation), the 700 series has the power, but not the needed
	IEEE-488 instrumentation interface, unless I re-write, re-test, and
	re-validate my existing application under HP-VEE, (Visual
	Engineering Enviroment) and my present source is 12,000 lines,
	after removing comments.

	PS: My mail-header return address is botched, the real one is
	    in the signature.


	    -- Mike
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From: aaronf@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Aaron Friesen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: C and C++ deveopment environment
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:43:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcbig.7540092
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO

In comp.sys.hp, cander@brt.com (Charles Anderson) writes:

>Pardon my ignorance, but I'm new to HP's and their software
>procedures.  My goal is to do C and C++ software development under
>HP/UX 8.0 on 425t workstations.  We we explained this to our sales
>person, she indicated that Softbench/C++ would be sufficient as it
>includes ANSI C, C++ developer, and Softbench for C++.  
	  ^^^^^^

Actually, it includes the C Developer's Bundle, which includes the
C/ANSI_C compiler and the C Developer's TookKit (various libraries and
programming tools such as RCS and mkmf).

>When I received our mahcines, I loaded the ANSI C compiler first.
>update told me that the package/fileset PROG_MIN was missing.  After
>completing the install, I tried to compile perl, but found that libdbm
>was missing along with other libraries that I would have expected to
>find (such as libnet, libndir, and others that perl's Configure found
>on a HP720 that I once used).

PROG-MIN is part of the Developer's Bundle.  The libnet, libndir, etc
libraries are included in the PROG-AUX fileset (also part of the
ToolKit).

>Our salesperson is rather inept and has been of little help.  HP/Apollo
>direct couldn't suggest anything.  We don't have software support (it's
>in the pipeline) due to a screw up by our salesperson.

If your software support is truely "in the pipeline" and you have already
received your software, your Sales Rep should be able to set up a
temporary "account" for you at the Response Center.  Give him a call.

Aaron

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English)
Subject: Re: Very slow start-up for VUE
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:41:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs

gordon@madmax.waterloo.edu (Gordon R. Strachan) writes:
> I really don't know why the 700's get hit so hard with thrashing (at least
> more so than the 300's) but I suspect it is due to the great difference in
> processor speed versus disk speed.

That's part of it.  The other problem is that memory sizes are bigger,
so that when you do run into problems, they're worse.  If you swap out a
400KB process, it only takes a second or two to page it back in.  If you
swap out an 8MB process, it takes a minute or so.  The difference is not
800 vs. 300, or 8.0 vs. 7.0, it's large memory machines vs. small memory
machines.

> ...adding another 16 Meg makes a HUGE difference (well it did for me at least)

Adding another 16MB should eliminate your problem...unless your programs
grow.

--bob--
Not an official spokesman for either Pepsi or HP.
From: jco@spchp12.BBN.COM (John C. Orthoefer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Does CD-ROM documentation work?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:54:37 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., 10 Molton Street, Cambridge, MA
	02138
NNTP-Posting-Host: spchp12.bbn.com
In-reply-to: hsg@duke.cs.duke.edu's message of 10 Apr 92 02:53:43 GMT


In article <702874422@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> hsg@duke.cs.duke.edu (Henry Greenside) writes:

   HP makes a lot of its documentation available on
   CD-ROM. In practice, does a CD-ROM provide a reasonable
   alternative to hard copy manuals?

Does this work.  Hell yes.  Just the bug reports themselves are worth
the CD.  The manuals are just an added bonus, if they get things all
properly hypertexted together.  The doc set could become the best part
of owning an HP.  

Personaly, the binder version of the doc set was nice, it would lie
flat and stands on a shelf, and you could add/delete pages as you
needed to.  This 8.0 combo of spiral/perfect bound realy sucks.  The
Spiral lie flat but don't sit on a shelf right, the perfect sit on a
shelf but don't lie open. 

The CD roms solve both problems and one all paper manuals have.  You
don't have them on a shelf so there is no sitting around they have to
do.  The reason you/I normaly want it to lie flat is becuse I'm typing
somthing in or following along, No more retyping things in a manual
since you can cut and paste them.  And following along you can just
put the windows side by side.

And the one problem that ALL paper manuals have is people borrow them.
with the rom you just export the rom to there machine and let them use
it.

Now if they just fix it so you can stick notes on the page, and add
some hyperlinks things would be realy cool.

jco
From: dpayton@qcinet.Gwinnett.COM (Doug Payton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Getting cnews/rn working on HP-UX
Keywords: cnews awk
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:42:03 GMT
Organization: Quality Consultants, Inc.

We got ourselves hooked up to Usenet recently.  (As a matter of fact, this
is our first submission.)  In doing so, we've discovered some "quirks" in
HP-UX (8.02 on our 827S) and were wondering if others have had similar 
problems and how they handled them.

One problem we had was with article posting.  (Needless to say, we've
overcome this hurdle.)  HP's "new" awk did not handle the following
pattern in the way Cnews expected.

[\t ]*

Cnews expects this to match tabs or spaces, but in HP's new awk, the "\"
loses it's special meaning.  Thus this would match backslashes, letter "t"s,
and spaces.  Replacing the "\t" with an actual tab character fixed things.
(Additionally, /usr/old/awk-7.0, [the "old" awk] handled the match fine,
but we didn't know if it would break anything else in the awk scripts.)

For testing, I posted a test message in the "junk" group.  Once we got it
working, I tried canceling the articles from rn, but got the message

/usr/local/bin/inews: control matches no groups in /usenet/lib/news/active

I'm not too worried about fixing this immediately.  We can "manually"
keep bad messages from hitting the net for now.  But before I clear this
hurdle only to hit another wall, I was wondering if any other lucky people
have had interesting problems getting Cnews to work (completely) on HP-UX.

Answers can be posted here.  Email is fine, and I'll summarize any 
responses I get that way.

To paraphrase Yakoff Smirnoff, "I love this Network!"

P.S.  The "junk" newsgroup -is- in our active file.

Thanks much!
-- 
Doug Payton

dpayton@qcinet.gwinnett.com
{rutgers,ogicse,gatech}!emory!gwinnett!qcinet!dpayton
From: rkl@and.csc.liv.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: xdvi PL 13 + grey-scale 720s / xmille does compile OK - naff game :-(
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:12:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

OK, folks, what's going on with xdvi ?? I've just got xdvi-13 from
export.lcs.mit.edu and have encountered a couple of problems:

1. It doesn't seem to handle virtual fonts as well as xdvi-12 did, especially
   w.r.t. unknown characters.
2. On a 256 grey-scale 720 display, try this with xdvi-12 or xdvi-13:

   xdvi -s 3 file.dvi

   The window comes up and everything looks OK, yes ? Right, now try clicking
   on "Shrink4" once and then on "Shrink3" once. Kaboom ! xdvi crashes out
   with the message: Error: Object "" does not have a windowed ancestor.
   It's the only combination (3 -> 4 -> 3) that seems to cause this problem
   and it doesn't happen on colour or mono displays.

Anyone got any help on point #2 ?

P.S. xmille compiles (albeit with minor hacks (#define XPointer caddr_t in
     buttons.c)) if you take the latest version from export.lcs.mit.edu. I
     hate the way it traps CTRL-C though ! And I had no idea what I was doing
     in the game - it needs an obvious on-line help for fools like me :-)

Richard K. Lloyd,       **** This is a MicroVAX II running VAX/VMS V5.4 ****
Computer Science Dept.,   JANET     : rkl@uk.ac.liv.csc.and [NEW address !]
Liverpool University,     Internet  : rkl@and.csc.liv.ac.uk
Merseyside, England,    Q: "What's the world's fastest home micro ?"
Great Britain.          A: "The Archimedes A3000. 4 MIPS for under 800 pounds."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: edsver4@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Jane R. Kramer)
Subject: Re: Very slow start-up for VUE
Organization: NASA - Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:16:50 GMT


In article <31480149@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>, defaria@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) writes:
|> 
|> A hunch.... Check to see if you networking is having problems.  For example,
|> if you use a name server but the main name server is down then Vue will be
|> waiting for a lot of timeouts.  If you have a secondary name server but the
|> primary one is down, then simply commenting out the primary and promoting the
|> secondary name server to be the primary one should eliminate your problem.
|> 
|> At least this is what happened to me one time.

If I've got the name server set up using the /etc/resolv.conf file, is there 
any way that I can have the system automatically revert back to my own 
/etc/hosts file, if it encounters problems with the primary and secondary 
name servers?
-- 
Jane Kramer                                Sverdrup Technology, Inc.
(216) 826-6737                             2001 Aerospace Parkway   
edsver4@ed4000-2.lerc.nasa.gov             Brook Park, OH  44142
From: willegen@research.ptt.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP RPL Users group
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:00:04 GMT

Did you know that:

- There is an HP28/HP48 exclusive users group in the Netherlands?
- That is publishes the STORC Newsletter AT LEAST 10 times per year?
- That it's cheap (approx. $25 per year)?
- That it consists of *16* pages A4 paper, with a two-page English
  summary?
- That STORC also has 5 floppy disks, filled with HP48 stuff (public
  domain and shareware) i.e. ML progs, **LOTS** of games and tricks?
- That you can write in the Newsletter yourself (write an article and
  send or mail it in)?

We have about 150 members. Join in, become a member of the BIGGEST
users group in the Netherlands

Christ

<<< Help!!!! I need a .sig. Any ideas? >>>
From: rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:55:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Does CD-ROM documentation work?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, lsterzin@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Lawrence Sterzinger) writes:

> Don't forget though that with the March release of laserrom is on two (2)
> cd's.  In our case that means one with the manuals and one with the bug
> reports.  Not too cool..

This is a temporary situation.  With the next release of the user interface
software, we are supposed to go back to one data disc.

The problem is that the old UI software did not support compressed graphics
objects.  Having full bitmaps, in two resolutions, for every illustration in
every manual was chewing up CD space at an impressive rate.  The Feb CD
reportedly violated nominal limits for CD capacity.

Does LaserROM work?
I now never look at hardcopy versions of manuals available on CD.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                UUCP: [hplabs|hpfcse]!hpfcrjn!rjn     Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:5197 comp.mail.sendmail:1353 comp.mail.misc:1527
From: sthaug@delab.sintef.no (Steinar Haug)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Local mail delivery sets wrong owner on user's files in /usr/mail
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:25:31 GMT
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.

On one of our 9000/425s running HP-UX 8.0 we have problems with mail
delivery. The mail files for the various users under /usr/mail end up
being owned by daemon. This happens even with the standard HP (from
/etc/newconfig) sendmail.cf file.  The files in question:

root@diana> ll -d /usr/mail
drwxrwxr-x   2 bin      mail        1024 Apr 14 14:02 /usr/mail

root@diana> ll /usr/mail
total 2
-rw-rw----   1 daemon   mail         676 Apr 14 14:02 bertel

root@diana> ll /usr/lib/sendmail /usr/lib/sendmail.cf /bin/rmail
-r-xr-sr-x   2 bin      mail       18648 May 11  1991 /bin/rmail
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     bin       110592 Apr 11  1991 /usr/lib/sendmail
-r--r--r--   1 bin      bin        74759 May 11  1991 /usr/lib/sendmail.cf

If we change the local mailer specification in sendmail.cf to include the
'S' flag, the mail ends up being owned by the user - but in this case the
'from' command always claims the mail is from user daemon. This is the
mailer specification in /etc/newconfig/sendmail.cf:

Mlocal,	 P=/bin/rmail,	F=DFMPlms,  S=10,  R=20,  A=rmail -d $u

I'm also rather uncomfortable with adding the S flag here since it appears
to be unnecessary in all our other mail configurations.

The rest of our HPs don't have any problem, but this may be due to the fact
that they are NFS mounting the mail spool directory from Sun machines.

Steinar Haug, system/networks administrator
SINTEF DELAB, University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Email: Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no, 
	sthaug@idt.unit.no, steinar@tosca.er.sintef.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: NFS and root
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:44:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.184342.9516@talon.ucs.orst.edu> curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) writes:
>  I've found it to be very hard to set up fileservers because of the root
>  mapping, but backups?  If your mounting all your partions to the one
>  machine that has a backup device (DAT, E-xabye, etc) and telling it that
>  they are all local partions, your doing it the hard way.  Take a look
>  a the rdump and rrestore programs.  They are very useful.

They may be useful, but HP/Apollo Domain/OS doesn't have dump/rdump.
Also, taking a system down to do a dump every few days (full saves are
now done once a month, with incrementals 3 times a week) doesn't allow
any real work to be done -- we run many jobs that will run for several
days of CPU time, even over a week at times.
I fully realize that doing dump/rdump will allow the disk to restored
to exactly its previous state, but the productivity penalty is way
too high.
-- 
What are the chances that any computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:4966 comp.dcom.modems:6235
From: bartm@cv.ruu.nl (Bart Muyzer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Setup for V42bis/NMP5 on HP9000/835???
Summary: How do I setup things??
Keywords: HP 9000/835, Tornado 9600 modem
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:12:03 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group
Originator: bartm@mind.cv.ruu.nl

Hi,

I'm trying to get NMP 5/V42bis working between modems and I'm not sure how to
setup things.

HARDWARE:
	* HP 9000/835 running hp-ux A.08.00
	* Tornado "External Super Modem 9600"

MODEM CONFIGURATION:
	* Enable NMP5 or V42.bis data compress
	* Recall MNP5/V42.bis config with RTS/CTS
	* Auto-detect link type (reliable V42/MNP/Normal Link)
	* Turn off software flow control 
	* Disable DTE baud adjust (no adjust of RS232 on modem to phoneline
	  speed)

SETUP:
	Modem hooked up to 835. Getty at 2400 baud running on modemport.
	Using another modem providing SMP5/V42bis, I dialed the 835. It works
	right away. I get an CONNECT 2400/V42BIS message and all works fine.
	The modem uses the mux0 driver.

GOAL:
	To get maximum speed, I'm trying to achive the following:
	* speed on link between 835 and modem as high as possible (19200 baud
	  or so). I want to set both the 835 modemport as well as the RS232
	  port on the modem to a fixed value.
	* Speed on phoneline: let the modems negotiate this. The highest speed
	  I can test with is 2400 baud.
	* NO SOFTWARE FLOW CONTROL. I want to be able to send XON/XOFF to an
	  application.
	* Use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS)

PROBLEM:
	Problems start when I start a getty on the modemport at another
	(higher) speed, for instance 9600 baud. When I dialin now, all I see
	is garbage. Reason for this is that the RS232 ports on the 835 and the
	connected modem don't agree on the speed to use. I start the getty
	with 9600 baud; this sets the speed on the RS232 port on the 835 to
	9600 baud. An 'stty -a' on the modemport confirms this.
	I expect the light on the modemfront to also indicate this, but
	it indicates 2400 baud.

OBSERVATIONS:
	* Whenever I turn on hardware flow control on the modem, I cannot get
	  things to the 835. I see "send" flash on the sending modem, but no
	  "receive" on the receiving modem. Turning off hardware flow control
	  completely solves this one but isn't what I want.

QUESTIONS:
	1. Are the assumptions I made and mentioned in "GOALS" right?
	2. Is there some special treatment of the mux0 driver in HP-UX
	   concerning hardware flow control?
	3. Do I need another kind of setup for the modem?
	4. Can it be an error in the /etc/gettydefs?

Please reply by e-mail to 'bartm@cv.ruu.nl' or by posting in this group. Thank
you all in advance,

							>] Bartm [<
-- 
Bart Muyzer, Systems and Network Administrator, [NIC-Whois handle: BJM9]
     3D Computer Vision, Room E02.222, University Hospital Utrecht,
     Heidelberglaan 100, 3584 CX Utrecht, Holland. E-mail: bartm@cv.ruu.nl
     Fax: +31-30-513399. Tel: +31-30-506711 (w), +31-3402-52157 (h).
From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Very slow start-up for VUE
Summary: Vue slow
Keywords: VUE
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:16:03 GMT
Organization: Arete Associates

In article <1992Apr8.090527.1@summer.chem.su.oz.au> wong_a@summer.chem.su.oz.au writes:
>
>I'm a VUE novice, but just lately the vuelogin/vuesession has been taking a
>very long time to start up on our 750. After logging in I get the
>copyright banner for about 2 minutes and then the screen goes blank for
>about 15 minutes! And then the windows and terminals come up.
>
>Previously, all windows came up in about 30 seconds. What's happening?!
>Can someone give things to look for so that I can trace the problem?
>Thanks
>
Sometimes VUE gets confused.  To restart from ground zero, remove
(with rm -r :-) the .vue*something* subdirectory in your login
directory.  This usually fixes the problem.  Also, check the other
rooms for programs that automatically get started.  One person
had 30+ windows auto-starting in another room, and didn't know they
were there..  Engineers, you gotta lov'em!

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp