HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: Driver for NCR video card
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:45:38 GMT
Reply-To: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

In article <Bz7qDv.2LL@news.iastate.edu> Stefan Zollner (ZOLLNER@zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov) writes:
>I have a cheap clone with an NCR video card (NCR 77C22E). It comes with
>a video driver for OS/2 1.x, but nothing with support for 2.0. 
>
>Is there a 2.0 driver for my NCR card somewhere out there ? It is somewhat
>annoying to have a WIN 3.1 driver with 1024x768 resolution, and only VGA
>for OS/2 2.0.

There should be a driver very soon, if not already. I don't work in the
graphics group, but they sit next to me so I overhear what they are doing.
Since I'm an OS/2 fan I keep my ears open for OS/2 stuff. The drivers seem
to be very close. When they are available they will be placed on our 
support BBS at 719-596-1649. If you need to talk to someone, you can
call the number in my sig and ask for Graphics Applications Engineering.


-- 
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NCR Microelectronic Products Division               Voice: 719-596-5795 x203
1635 Aeroplaza Drive                                  Fax: 719-597-8225
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: chris@actrix.gen.nz (Chris Double)
Subject: Re: New Trident 32-bit Drivers: For Others?
Organization: Actrix Networks
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:52:24 GMT

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
> not appear to work with my Trident 8900C 512K adapter.  (The SVGA ON
> DOS step generates very limited information on the modes available --
> it doesn't list any 256 color modes, for example.  It probably thinks
> I have a 256K adapter.)
I get the same thing with my Trident 9000 512K adapter. No 256 color
modes using the SVGA ON DOS. Has anyone managed to get the 32 bit
drivers working on a 512K card? Maybe the drivers are 1Meg only?

Thanks,

Chris.
chris@actrix.gen.nz
From: jardined@qucis.queensu.ca (Donald Jardine)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Mix of 3-chip and 9-chip simms with OS/2
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:33:02 GMT
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston

It's been observed for about 30 years (in my personal experience) that the 
operating system is the best hardware diagnostic for any machine.  This was
well known in early IBM 360 days with OS/360. It's interesting to see that
it hasn't changed much :-). Complex software stresses any hardware, just as
complex interacting processes stress operating system software. That's why
many people use the operating system as a test of the compatibility of
hardware. If you want to find bugs, induce stress.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh)
Subject: Re: Compaq QVision drivers
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:51:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.203217.9045@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> stoen@katana.pcpd.hou.compaq.com (Rick Stoen) writes:
>I posted this about a month ago, but just found out that due to some
>problems here the post may never have made it outside of Compaq. In
>any case, the 1024x768x256 OS/2 2.0 drivers for Compaq's QVision
>1024/E and 1024/I (E=EISA, I=ISA) are available on hobbes in
>pub/os2/2.0/drivers/qvision.zip on hobbes, and also on ftp.compaq.com
>in pub/compaq/os2/sp0406.exe. I should point out that the are 16bit
>drivers and do not yet support seamless Windows. They are fast
>however. On the README scrolling benchmark posted a few weeks back it
>was much faster than any of the other cards. 
>
>My apologies for the repeat if this did get posted the first time.
>

Thanks, these are nice!.  I never saw a post before this, and I read this
stuff religiously.  So 32 bit ones are coming?  We have a Deskpro EISA 66mhz
with 32 meg RAM and a 1Gig drive.  Pretty killer machine for OS/2!
These are the first 256 color drivers I've seen, but they seem really fast to
me.  I don't notice ANY scrolling text speed problems in Windowed sessions or
Fullscreen.  The folder 'tab' problem is pretty ugly though......

BTW your readme with the qvision.zip file at hobbes says SP0406.EXE is a DOS
executable.  I didn't find this to be the case.  I went and grabbed the one
from the Compaq site just to be sure, but both give a message including
something about a 'downed server' when run under 'real' DOS 5.0 (didn't try
them in a OS/2 Dos session).  They work fine when run in an OS/2 session.

Good to see Compaq on the net.  Also impressive they have an ftp site, didn't
know this.

--Don Lindbergh
dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov


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From: greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de (Thomas Greve)
Subject: Re: CMS Jumbo 250 use under OS2 2.0
Organization: University of Bonn, phys. Chemistry
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:13:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.082445.12080@coyote.datalog.com> ejm@coyote.datalog.com (E.J. McKernan) writes:
>I just installed OS2 2.0 on a new 486/33. The machine includes a
>colorado memory systems jumbo 250 tape drive attached to the floppy
>controller. The entire system is using the HPFS. Now a couple of
>questions:
>
>1. Is there a driver available for the CMS under OS2?
No. At least not yet. There is a beta version under testing, but
you'll hear it on this forum first, when they will be ready.

>2. How can I set up a DOS session to run the DOS tape software?
Use a full screen box with some EMS (about 1Meg), Int_During_IO
*DISABLED* and idle sensitivity not too low (some seconds of idle
delay is not bad either). If you encounter SY3176 errors, disable any
-- 
				- Thomas

   greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de
   unt145@dbnrhrz1
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: Where do things go when you move them to a folder?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:34:48 GMT

In <1992Dec18.045538.15204@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers) writes:

>Here's the scenario:

[moves file from drives icon to folder (on desktop?)]

>	4) Now, I go to DOS, and do a dir of the directory, and lo, the
>	   file is no longer there.  Worse, the file is nowhere on the
>	   disk (I used a DOS file find utility, and it was nowhere to
>	   be found)  So, where is it?

The problem here, I think, is that you're going to DOS.  DOS doesn't
understand HPFS filenames, unless they fit the 8.3 format.  The desktop
folder (directory) does not fit the 8.3 format.  Therefore, DOS programs
won't be aware of files on the desktop, or in folders on the desktop.

Go to an OS/2 window/full-screen, then cd "OS!2 2.0 Desktop" (the quotes
are required), and do a dir.  You should see your folder, and if you cd
to it, you should see your file.

>Is there no way to have the file be in a folder, and also visible to DOS?

Keep the folder in the drive object, and merely shadow it to the
desktop, or else shadow the file into the folder.  But all this
rigamerole is only necessary if you want to see it from _DOS_.  You can
see it from OS/2 just fine in any case (from the OS/2 command-line, as
well as from the desktop).
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | "Imaginary guitar notes [...] exist only
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers |  in the imagination of the imaginer" --FZ
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From: cedint9@acs.ucalgary.ca (cedint9)
Subject: Service Pack and Welcome Folder
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:02:52 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

The Service Pak README file indicates that there should exist a
"Welcome" folder on my desktop.  It says that that is the place
where I can switch video resolution modes etc.

Thar be no sech folder!

Anyone know why, or what I can do otherwise to change resolution?

I have an 800x600x16 driver that works (not from the SP)
but the SP is supposed to have added support for 1024x768x256 resolution.  

I have a Tseng 4000 based video adapter, so the SP should work
for me.

Thanks in advance,
Terry Gilbert
cedint9@acs.ucalgary.ca
From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Where to put swapfile (was What is the recommended size ...)
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science

In article <1992Dec16.135640.15444@msc.cornell.edu> tommy@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Mike Thompson,332,54714,2734927) writes:
>From article <1gmsccINN6uq@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>, by warmuth@warmuth.wu-wien.ac.at:
>> In  <1992Dec15.204609.29849@msc.cornell.edu>  tommy@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Mike Thompson,332,54714,2734927) writes:
>>>    ... (stuff deleted)...
>>>   (3) Caching the OS/2 swapfile (HPFS) would be a waste of memory
>>>    ... (stuff deleted)...
>
>> OS/2 *never* chaches the swapfile.
>> It is recomanded to put the swapfile on the most used partition on the
>> less used harddisk. So I wouldn't put it in it's own partition.
>
>I can understand putting it on the least used hard disk, but why the
>most used partition.  The only justification is to keep the disk read
>heads near the actively used data.  With any intelligent caching and
>ladder disk sub-system, actual conflicts on write to the disk should
>be rare to begin with.  Then again, with 16 Mb of RAM, I don't worry
>about the SWAP file doing much thrashing.  Even when testing
>development code, I don't think I keep 16 Mb of programs actively
>running.
>
>On second topic, how does OS/2 know it is the swapfile.  The disk
>sub-systems have a file which happens to be named "swapper.dat".  But
>to the driver, it's just a stupid file (I hope!).  Any caching on the
>drive will also, to some degree, cache the swap file.  Am I wrong?

Well...the DosOpen call has a parameter which is the Open Mode of the
file which can specify OPEN_FLAGS_NO_CACHE as an option.  This option
tells the system NOT to cache this file.

Jeff


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From: paul@tct.com (Paul Levin)
Subject: PRN in VDM has a BUG !!!
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:40:32 GMT


I am (still) running the GA release of 2.0.  The only printer driver
installed (or wanted, for that matter) is IBMNULL.  It is set in raw mode.
Try the following commands in a VDM

	echo "hello" > prn:
			-- this works, the "hello" is sent to the printer queue

	copy file prn:
			-- this does not work.  The copy command completes
			   with no complaints, but nothing goes to the printer
			   queue.  Replace prn: with lpt1: and everything
			   works fine.

Comments, fixes, etc. are welcome (especially from IBM).
-- 
From:  Paul Levin   paul@count.tct.com   813-532-2239 (work, 9-5 EST)
    --> Jesus loves you, and died for you; thank Him today. <--
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: How to deinstall appletts?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:03:29 GMT

In article <hatton.724365594@cgl.ucsf.edu> hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes:
>Is this the same as the Uninstall on the Service Pack? It basically allows
>undoing whatever Selective Install puts on, so it doesn't let you remove
>just one or two applets and keep the rest. You can manually unpack the
>uninstall.exe and .hlp from the SP (disks...8 and 9?) if it wasn't 
>installed automatically.

It isn't the same, but, you're right, that's another method to
accomplish the same thing.

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ifox@wam.umd.edu (Ira "Isa" Fox)
Subject: sbpro w/ ga+sp+winos2 3.1 beta?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:12:22 GMT

    Has anybody gotten the sound blaster pro to work with winos2 3.1 (beta) ?
Mine produces sound but it plays it garbled and loops (sound like a conflict).
  My sound blaster pro is set for irq5 and works fine under os2-dos and os2.
As the subject line says I have GA+SP + winos231 beta install.

      Any help would be very appreciated and thanks in advance.	

                               - Ira
                             ifox@wam.umd.edu

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From: ericb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Furry Logic)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM, MS, and the Borg
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:51:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6577

32coulter@gw.wmich.edu writes:

-Just a silly question:

-Why is the January/February release of the OS/2 refresh being dubbed the
-"Borg" release?  Someone's signature had something like the following:

-We are Microsoft.
-Unix is irrelevant.
-OS/2 is irrelevant.
-Openness is futile.
-Prepart to be assimilated.

-Could I conclude that the Jan/Feb release is intended to be the Starfleet
-Federation's OS/2 attack against the Microsoft Borg?  Especially since
-MS intends to assimilate all forms of software into one Microsoft species?

  Well, whatever it is, I found a new sig. Credit goes to the inventor, who
they may be.  :)

-e.b.

  Eric Berggren             |  "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
  Computer Science/Eng.     |   intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
  Computer Action Team      |   Universe is that none of it has tried to
  ericb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu    |   contact us."        -- Bill Watterson
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: How to install SBMMPM?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:15:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.101955.3879@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:

>Anybody know how to play a CD through the SB though? I don't want to keep
>on switching my speakers from the CD drive speaker plug to my SB output.
>I'd rather like to leave them plugged into the SB permanently and send all
>sounds out of them.

I don't think you can do that.  Not very efficiently, anyway.

How about a low tech solution: stop by your local Radio Shack and pick
up a switchbox.

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1? (Why it may cost) READ THIS!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:46:13 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

harvey@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <62740@mimsy.umd.edu>, pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus M. Rodriguez) writes:
>> I am going to post a very stupid question but I have been reading a lot about
>> OS/2 2.1. Is OS/2 2.1 going to be another upgrade? Will it be shrink wrapped?
>> I am assuming that IBM hasn't changed their policy of FREE upgrades :-)
>> 
>> Jesus M. Rodriguez
>> pr@umiacs.umd.edu
>> 
>Sorry if someone has posted this information already but I was speaking to our
>local IBM person on friday (11/12/92). She said that the reason that OS/2 2.1
>has been delayed is because there is a fight going on between IBM and
>microsoft. Basically microsoft is trying to force IBM to charge for the next
>update because they recon that in moving to 3.1 code they can charge more.

>This stinks but IBM are trying to get it out for a media charge only.

Well, now I'm really confused about Microsoft :-)
Gates says that OS2 is in the hands of a few corporate types, not end-users.
If there are only a handful of execs with it, then why should MS go to
the mat for a piddling royalty amount - Sturgill and others keep telling
us that Windows outsells OS2, Win *apps* outsell OS2, their grandmother's
*quilts* outsell OS2, etc. If it's such a trivial market, why would MS 
bother haggling? Royalties wouldn't put gas in Gates' Porsche if this
were so. I wish they'd make up their minds.
 
Oh, one reason that I forgot - greed. What *was* I thinking.
 

-- 
Tom Hatton
hatton@cgl.ucsf.edu
(415)-476-7986
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pott@ast.saic.com (David L. Pottinger)
Subject: SS24x replacement
Reply-To: pott@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:58:28 GMT


My current graphics setup is a Nanao 550i driven by a SS24X. After reading the 
complaints about Diamond, I have decided to exercise my 30 day return policy and 
exchange the SS24X for something else.

My question, what's the best card for OS/2? I'm not concerned
with running windows. How much memory should the card have? I assume 1Mb is
adequate. I have the option of installing the card in a VLB or ISA slot.

Any recommendation is appreciated.

Pott


---
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Science Applications International Corporation | fax       619 546-6833
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San Diego, CA 92121
From: "richard wyble" <richard.wyble@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: ? in paramaters field
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:43:07 EST
Reply-To: "richard wyble" <richard.wyble@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

On 12-20-92 2:59pm, Jeremy Mathers wrote re: RUNNING ZIP/ZOO/ETC FROM
---
 > What is the 50 word synopsis of whether it is possible to run any of the
 > compression programs effectively from an icon?  Is there a way to click
 > on an icon and have it prompt you at runtime for the program parameters?

You may certainly run them from an icon. You may also "run" a .cmd 
file from an icon. You may also write a REXX program and "run" it from 
an icon.

However, is there not a way to use a "?" in the parameters field of an 
object, causing it to prompt at run-time? (I am at a DOS machine 
without recourse to references, so I must posit this as a question.)

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From: ojtv@zombie.oulu.fi (Olli Vuolteenaho)
Subject: Re: Growing os2sys.ini file
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:00:49 GMT

MCBROOM R C (rm3@ornl.gov) wrote:
: In article <4668@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> rvaniwaa@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ronald J. Vaniwaarden) writes:

: Some others reported various things getting changed in this process.  
: Particularly program icons being changed to data.  I've had a similar instance
: although I can't swear that cpyini was responsible.  My unzip program somehow
: became associated as a datafile for Mathcad.  The only way I found to 
: straighten things out was to use native dos tomove unzip.exe to a floppy
: boot OS/2 from a floppy run chkdsk /f to clear the EA's reboot and bring unzip
: back.  The proper way to modify the associations still escapes me even after
: reading a few postings and the "guide".
: 
: One thing I can definitely trace to cpyini is that the menu heading for the 
: OS/2 editor now has a special character in it that wasn't there before.
: 

Cpyini also sometimes changes the titles (not real names) of
directories. This can be a nuisance if the directories are used by the
system (like C:\OS2, for example) - there apparently is no (simple) way
of restoring the original title.

Olli
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From: ricky@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr RS Mcconachy)
Subject: Boot Manager Problem / alternatives?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:36:19 GMT

G'day people,

Having decided that I needed some more disk space I purchased a second
IDE drive (340M WD Caviar) and installed it with my old drive (210M WD
Pirahna).  I then set about feeding my PC disks to reinstall DOS (yuk! :-)
and OS/2 2.0 GA and SP.  All went well except for one small problem:

I installed the Boot Manager as the 1st thing on the disk, a 250M HPFS
primary partition for OS/2, and a 73M primary partition for DOS (yep,
that's the whole disk, the 340M is actually 340,000,000 bytes :-).  I
added the 2 primary partitions to Boot Manager's menu and proceeded as
the docs suggest.  All is now cool except that when I boot the system
I get offerred THREE choices!?  The two I want ("DOS 5.0" and "OS/2 2.0")
aswell as one called "000001c7" which I know nothing about.....  I have
tried deleting and reinstalling the Boot Manager partition, and then the
entire HD to no avail.  If I choose this 3rd option I get a non-system
disk type error.  Anybody got any ideas on how to kill off this option?

Also, a few months ago I was playing with 386BSD and a (German I think)
gent posted note about his boot manager.  It was a small C program
which you compiled under DOS (Turbo C) and then ran.  The executable
then set up a boot record that has most of the features of IBM's Boot
Manager with 2 big advantages - it doesn't take up one of your precious
partitions (just the boot record itself), and it doesn't require a meg
of disk space (you can throw away the C code and DOS executable after 
you've run it).  If anybody can help me locate this program/gentleman
again (I've lost the News note he sent :-( ) I'd be very appreciative!

Thanks heaps in advance,

Richard McConachy - ricky@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au

Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.misc:39170 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:3156
From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some news from PC Week
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:22:37 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <ByzKrt.Mq9@rice.edu> dens@owlnet.rice.edu (Dennis Schmitz) writes:
>
>Actually, he only started writing good things about it after he started
>using it. Pupularity had nothing to do with it.

	John C. Dvorak is a babbling fool who jumps on whatever bandwagon
is trendy for the issue of PC Rag or Computer Shopper he has to snivel for.

	He has decided he can get some mileage out of calling Microsoft the
"Evil Empire" and IBM the "Poor picked on good guys who are having a bit of
a rough time because of all the evil companies like MS."  Hence his new 
found fanaticism with anything IBM-related.

	His latest Theories include such howlers as "IBM Paid for all of NT's
development, and MS is shafting them by not letting them see the code and 
turning around and selling it, all the while continuing to use IBM money,"
and others that truly stretch the imagination.

>I agree, however, that he really doesn't know anything about computers.
>He's getting better though (but I still wouldn't hire him.)

	The guy has NO idea what he is talking about ("The new P5 chip will
use something new and powerful developed at Intel called 'pipelining'" ---
HELLO FUCKHEAD!!!!  The 486 has a 5 stage pipeline, and the CDC6600 was 
pipelining in 1970!!!)

	He hasn't changed in the slightest bit since I started reading
him well over three years ago.  They should just put the fucker to sleep to
spare us all the misery of his tripe.


Fuck that guy is almost as bad as Jerry Pournelle ("Cat, my old MITS Altair
died yesterday.  I had to get a little mad at the time though, I mean,
not a single shop I called had the right kind of vacuum tube..")

Christ.

Toodlepip!
Marc 'em.
-- 
  storm@cs.mcgill.ca           McGill University         "-- Attack ships on
  Marc Wandschneider           Montreal, CANADA             fire "
	Any opinions expressed are not mine, but those of the Demon Lord
      Yeegeheeegenogohugu who possessed me whilst I munched on Raisin Bran.
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