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From: bayomi@bldghsc.lan1.umanitoba.ca (Dennis Bayomi)
Subject: Re: Veg. Restaurants in Chicago
Organization: Computer Department, Medicine, Univ. of Manitoba
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:37:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.190347.14629@eos.arc.nasa.gov> cindyf@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Cindy Ferguson) writes:

>I will be attending Siggraph next week in Chicago and I would like to get
>recommendations on restaurants serving vegetarian entrees.  I would like
>to eat some healthy food this Siggraph rather than stuffing my face with
>what is served at the receptions and parties.

>My vegetarian friends and I thank you,

>Cindy
>cindyf@eos.arc.nasa.gov

Sorry Cindy I can't give you any advice, but only ask that you post a 
summary of places you find in Chicago.  I'm heading out to Toronto and Nova 
Scotia tomorrow night and hope to have some good v-eating spots to list on 
this newsgroup when I return.

If you haven't been to SIGGRAPH, you can expect an EXCELLENT time !  I've 
been to the Minneapolis and Boston SIGGRAPHs and thouroughly enjoyed them.  
Hope you've got tickets for the best graphics videos ("Electronic 
Theatre") - that's the highlight of the show in my book.

Have a good trip !

P.S. Thanks to everyone for advice for on v-restaurants in Toronto and Nova 
Scotia.  I hope to follow up on all of your tips.  

Dennis
Winnipeg, CANADA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Subject: Re: Veg burgers--is this as good as it gets?
Reply-To: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:42:53 GMT


In article <92211.174107KMICHEL@MIAMIU.BITNET>, <KMICHEL@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
> I bought a meatless burger mix called Nature's Burger made by Fantastic
> Foods.  It's ok, but not great.  This is the only brand I can find
> around here in the supermarkets.  Can anyone who has tasted this brand
> tell me if this is as good as meatless burgers can be?

Honestly, I don't think much of veg burger mixes. The pre-made ones are much
better. The best (but not most similar to the non-veg version) is the
Life-Lite (sp?) BBQ Tempeh Burgers which are sold at many supermarkets in
northern Vermont and New-York for about $1.50 for a package of 2. They are
also available at natural food stores. These are excellent! Actually, it's
hard to go wrong with any foods made from tempeh.

-----------------------------------------------------
Mark Wisdom,  Bell-Northern Research,  Ottawa, Canada
Disclaimer: Above opinions are my own, and not BNR's.
-----------------------------------------------------
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: vegan version of butter
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:16:22 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul29.162341.6179@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, poirier@bnr.ca (Daniel Poirier) writes:
> 
> I have asked around for recomendations of good-tasting margarines, and have
> to go and buy a few brands, in hope of finding something that'll do the
> trick. Maybe with the icing sugar and the coffee it'll turn out to be an
> acceptable substitute.
> 
> What is this Vitasieg you mentioned? Is it a margarine brand, or is it some
> other sort of vegan butter substitute ('cause, as you know, most margarines
> are not vegan and contain milk solids, whey powder, buttermilk, etc...).
> 
> -- 

I recommend using soy margarine. The kind my store carries is the 
brand name "Co-op", distributed out of Minnesota. I believe soy margarine
is reliably vegan, and seems to work well in recipies. It is available at 
most food coops. 

I really should run for a seat on the Iowa Soybean Promotion Council......
Iowa is the #1 soybean producer state in the U.S., but the Promotion
Council seems not to know that soy margarine, tofu, tvp, and soymilk
exists. They do promote soy oil for human use, but the bulk of the
soybean production is still used to feed Iowa's 15.8 million hogs. 

-Mary Howard
From: glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:39:14 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu (survivor) writes:


>hi all,

>I have a couple of questions that I would like answers to :

>- The cheese that is available in the shops eg. Kraft etc, does it contain
>  animal fat or any animal product that in the normal sense could be termed
>  as non-vegetarian ?

Yes, it contains butterfat (milkfat), which is an animal fat, of course, but
is no more or less vegetarian than the rest of the milk the cheese is made of.
It may contain rennet, an enzyme from the stomach of a calf.  It may
use a vegetable substitute.  You will have to research the particular
cheese to be sure.

>- The eggs in the supermarket, would they hatch if incubated ?
No.  In general, they are not fertilized (no sperm).

>I would greatly appreciate any effort expended in providing me answers.

>Kuntal


-- 
Every child shall be treated with complete respect.

Glen Ecklund             glen@cs.wisc.edu          (608) 262-5084
Department of Computer Sciences        1210 W. Dayton St.
University of Wisconsin, Madison       Madison, Wis. 53706  U.S.A.
From: zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Good Thai Recipies! (Not-Vegan) Apology
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:52:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul26.015230.27366
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I am sorry.  I had typed in the recipies a few days earlier and had
forgotten that one of them contained an egg.  This is an error on my
part.  Look I am an ovo-vegetarian and I hadn't made that recipie yet
so I didn't remember the ingredients.  I would like to know why no one
called me on the fact that most of the recipies had sugar in them
(filtered through animal bones).

Can we maybe make a policy where each flamer must include a recipie
with their post?  If some people spent more time posting recipies and
less time flaming the entire net would be a better place.

Next time you all post 11 recipies come flame me again. Until then it
makes me sad that the net cannot be a better place.  Oh well.

Zeke "sick of the children" Koch

-- 
                           zeke@reed.edu 
"NeXT has made it possible for Tiny Tim to over-extend himself and buy
a Ferrari for the price of a Hundai and now Tiny Tim is pissed because
the gas station attendant won't sell him gas for 3 cents a gallon."
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Subject: Vegetarian Stores/Restaurants in Vancouver & Montreal
Reply-To: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:49:35 GMT


I posted this a while ago, but I don't think it got out of
my company, because I never got a response, and because the
'Distribution:' field in the header defaults to 'bnr' which
I didn't notice until recently.

So here goes again...

Could someone please post some information on what the
best natural food stores (i.e. with the best variety) and
restaurants are in the Vancouver area (including any info
for Whistler). I will be vacationing in Vancouver in the
middle of August.

The same question applies to Montreal, as I visit it often
on weekends.


-----------------------------------------------------
Mark Wisdom,  Bell-Northern Research,  Ottawa, Canada
Disclaimer: Above opinions are my own, and not BNR's.
-----------------------------------------------------
From: rogers@rtf.bt.co.uk (Neal Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Tissue Culture
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:59:33 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <memo.548968@cix.compulink.co.uk> dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>In-Reply-To:  dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
>
>I've had a couple of queries about the "Quorn" I mentioned.
>
>Quorn is a mycoprotein (a fungus that went to college 8-) ), which is
>grown in an industrial-scale fermenter vessel. It's appeared in
>quite a few supermarket ready-meals, but supposedly isn't yet
>available in sufficient volume to be available as a separate
>ingredient. Completely vegetarian, and considered vegan by nearly all
>(except a few people with some very strange views), it's broadly
>similar to TVP in the way that it's used.

It IS available in the UK as a separate product - sorry I can't remember
who market it but i guess I could find out if anyone's interested. My local
Safeway sells it, and used to display it on the chilled shelves next to meat
and fish. I pointed out to the guy in charge of the meat section that the
people most likely to buy it (veggies) would not normally expect to find
anything edible there, and that maybe it should be moved to their veggie
ready-meal section. It's now apparently a very popular product.

It definitely is not vegan - it contains egg albumen.

>
>I like it; it has a pleasant mild mushroom taste on its own, and is
>easily flavoured by other ingredients. The texture is closer to
>chicken than TVP, being soft & slightly fibrous.
>
>I'm not a great one for "meat substitutes", but this is very
>palatable in its own right, and also good for keeping the carnivores
>happy with a meat look-alike.			 

Agreed - the problem is persuading veggies that it isn't meat.

>
>          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk



-- 
Neal Rogers
rogers@rtf.bt.co.uk   BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Center for Conservation Biology <conbio@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:56 PDT
Subject: Veg book recommendations sought
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1451200007:000:285
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!conbio    Jul 23 12:56:00 1992


Hi,
I'd like to learn more about nutrition as it pertains
to vegetarianism.  I read "Diet for a Small Planet" years
ago when I became a vegetarian, but I've heard that it
has info in it that is now considered out of date.
Any suggestions for more recent, readable books?
Thanks,
Kathy
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Good Thai Recipies! (Vegan)
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:21:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Jul23.172135.5758
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul23.171334.3031@reed.edu>, zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch) writes:
> 
> I have been adding e's to my vegetable names in hope that one day I
> will reach the oval office.  I guess I should take some latin classes?
> 
> Zeke
> 

Zeke, I do have a suggestion if you want to eventually become 
Vice-President. Senator Albert Gore first went to Harvard, then
became a reporter for 7 years, then went to congress and then the 
senate. Since he's been in the Senate, he became an expert on 
the environment, and worked on laws to preserve wilderness, promote
research on products that reduce energy/preserve the environment, 
such as the reduction of use of CFCs in air conditioners, etc., 
movement towards sustainable agriculture that use less chemicals,
and development of manufacturing jobs in companies that produce
these products.  

So, Senator Gore seems to me to be a better role model for you. Start
by reading his book, _Earth in the Balance_. Then maybe start reading
the 300 books listed in the back of the book. 

What President Bush doesn't seem to understand is, that when he refers
to the FUTURE Vice-President as "an environmental extremist", millions
of Americans actually think that might be a good thing. 

So, do you want to grow up to be like Senator Gore, or like
you-know-who?

-Mary Howard
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: marcos@pdx047 (Marcos O. Camargo)
Subject: Re: Aspartame
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:09:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.163235.3509@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>What is so bad about sugar?  I ask this for curiosity sake, not to try to
>>promote sugar consumption, so no flames please.
>
>The question at hand wasn't what's so bad about sugar, but the
>implication that the others were more healthy, when there's no
>effective difference.

This is just an attitude of anti-establishment.  Sugar cane  is a grass and not
different than maple or fruit trees.  We, as kids, sucked on sugar cane all
the time.  It was sweet and tasted very good.

Sugar is sugar and I disagree that one is healthier than the other.

A lot of vegetarians just want to distinguish themselves from others by
eating different products that make no difference.




-- 
Marcos O. Camargo             |  e-mail:  marcos@ichips.intel.com
Intel Corp.  JF1-19           |  phone :  (503) 696-4273
5200 N.E. Elam Young Parkway  |  FAX   :  (503) 681-9017
Hillsboro, Oregon  97124      |
Xref: sparky rec.food.veg:7162 alt.co-ops:173
From: singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu (Rajendra Singh)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,alt.co-ops,uiuc.general
Subject: Re: Co-op house forming in Urbana for fall, veg-friendly
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:01:31 GMT
	<1992Jul21.065423.7238@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
Distribution: il
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

> How can they be unrelated when they live in the same house?

I think this is taking the concept of common law marriage just
a wee bit too far.

peace,
 -raj
--
			  __ \_;
****- OM -****		 (  \
Rajendra Singh		    |
singh@cs.uiuc.edu	   /__/--\
			   \   @_/
			    |
			^.  /
			 `==
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: Poultry Workers
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 08:11:42 GMT

In article <charlesv.711041402@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> charlesv@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Charles Van Duren) writes:

I wrote >#
>#I don't think this is any reason. Those women are  not forced  to work
>#there.  I don't think they deserve any  sympathy from anyone, not even
>#from the  bacteria  that caused one  of them warts.   Those women  are
>#asking for trouble and  are  having  it. The men are perhaps  not free
>#from the same problems.
>
>Why don't you go out and get some experience in the labour market, and
>in life? Your callous remark tells me that you have no understanding of
>how most people live, and the kinds of choices they have in their lives.

I guess  I  don't have much understanding of  how  people live and the
kinds of  choices they have. If they are  offered work in  a  militant
organisation (read according  to your  convenience  : army (private or
government),  terrorists, freedom fighters, mafia),  and if that seems
to be the only possible  work that they can get, should they take it ?
I don't know. Some thieves steal because that is the only way they can
survive. Should they steal ? I don't know. 

In case of  those women,  they survive on  the  deaths  of hundreds or
thousands  or possibly millions of  animals. Should  I  have  pity for
them ? No. More work can be created for insurgency  and instability in
various regions of the world, and there are governments willing to pay
a  heavy  price to  support  such  activities.  This kind of a  labour
market is not respectable. 

>
>Sorry, but I cannot think of any nice way to reply to the above comment.
>And a reply it deserves!

That's all  right.  Perhaps you could reply now. I too have  questions
unanswered, and am willing to listen to opinions and facts.

>
>CvD

With regards,


-- 
A. Bulsari                                       Tel.  358 (21) 654 721
V{rmeteknik, ]bo Akademi                         Fax   358 (21) 654 792
Va"rmeteknik, A'bo Akademi   (for the non-Scandinavian screen impaired)
SF 20500 Turku, Finland                          Tlx  57 62301 AABIB SF
From: weaver@jetsun.weitek.COM (Michael Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Cocoa Butter
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:42:08 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Bs5q1H.8LD@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> sploke@cayley.waterloo.edu (;-}) writes:
>
>hi,
>
>Is cocoa butter vegan? What is it made of? 
>
>Thanks.
>
>sploke          

Cocoa butter comes from cocoa beans, the same place cocoa comes from.
It is a vegetable fat. It is separated out from the beans when cocoa
is made, and used in making chocolate.

Michael.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Subject: Re: Bitterness in veg stock
Cc: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:04:00 +0000


> batch of vegetable stock and it has just a slight bitterness to it.

> celery (with leaves)

Thats the one - it's the leaves that do it, or celery that wasn't
earthed up properly when growing. I don't like green celery, even the
"self-blanching" varieties. None of it tastes like proper white
celery, kept in the dark by periodically earthing up the base of the
celery as it grows.

Yes, I grow my own, because I can't buy any  8-(
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Road food, Seattle to Provo
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:17:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <2875@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>I'm posting this with a distribution of usa, because I'm not sure how far
>the pnw distribution extends.  Apologies to those on the east coast for the
>irrelevance.
>
>Saturday, I'm driving from Seattle to Provo Utah.  My route is:  I-5 from
                                                                  ^^^
                Ooops!  Make that I-90 from Seattle to Ellensburg.

>Seattle to Ellensburg, I-82 from Ellensburg to Oregon (Pendleton?), then
>I-84 to Ogden, Utah, then I-15/SR 89 to Provo.
>
>Can anyone recommend veg-friendly restaurants along the way?  I get awfully
>tired of living on grilled cheese sandwiches and iceburg lettuce salads when
>I'm travelling (I'm ovo-lacto, but actually prefer vegan food when possible). 
>Thanks muchly.
>
>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: soy sauce expiration
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:39:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.002942.20539@silma.com> sj@silma.com (Suzanne) writes:
>I posted this about a year ago and never got any
>response.  I'll try again, this time with world
>distribution instead of just usa.  (Anyone else
>besides me intimidated by the message that you're
>costing the net millions of dollars every time you
>post outside the country?)

No,  it  says  mostly  about the civilised  world.   Since I  am quite
convinced  that such a place  does  not exist  anywhere on or  in  the
vicinity of the earth, I just take it  as a joke. It  does not say how
much it costs the uncivilised world.

-- 
A. Bulsari                                       Tel.  358 (21) 654 721
V{rmeteknik, ]bo Akademi                         Fax   358 (21) 654 792
Va"rmeteknik, A'bo Akademi   (for the non-Scandinavian screen impaired)
SF 20500 Turku, Finland                          Tlx  57 62301 AABIB SF
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Subject: Re: migraine and cheese ...
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 12:07:42 EDT

In article <1992Jul17.052717.18428@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.084034.28698@newstand.syr.edu> jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley) writes:
>>Aspartame was never tested on subjects prior to its marketing
>>at the levels it is realistically used by the American public.
>
>This is a falsehood.  Tell me, how familiar are you with the
>studies performed on aspartame?  Not very much at all, I'll bet.
>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

Please accept my apologies.  I meant to say that the people who made
claims of allergies, migrains, and other nasty reactions to aspartame
CLAIMED that they felt the testing was done with much lower amounts
of aspartame than has actually been put out in the market and that
they felt the people who manufactured the sweetener were surprised
by the way it was so taken in by the American public.  I did not mean
to make it appear that what I stated was a fact.
I was typing a lot that day and I left it out - PLEASE accept my apology.

I will not take back my feeling, however, that many folks in the 
scientific community SEEM TO BE still debating about aspartame/nutrasweet's
benefits.  There seem to be many people who have severe reactions to
it.

The articles and shows that I watched were several years ago, so I do
not still have them.  I will however do some research to see what I can
come up with.

Personally, I don't think the stuff is good for me; but I would never
tell someone else not to eat it if they really like it or it is a
necessity in their life.

Judy Frawley
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: Cocoa Butter
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:43:34 GMT

In article <Bs5q1H.8LD@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> sploke@cayley.waterloo.edu (;-}) writes:
>Is cocoa butter vegan? What is it made of? 
>
Would you believe cocoa beans (actually cacao seeds)?

It *should* be vegan but may not be. The reason I say this (and I don't
know if the situation is the same in other countries) is because here
in the UK it is possible to sell confectionery without properly listing
the ingredients. Often a product may say "cocoa butter" but it will also
have real butter in the ingredients, it just won't be listed.

If you are actually buying pure cocoa butter then you will be ok.

Does anyone in Australia remember a product called Copra? Wasn't that
cocoa butter? It's been a while but didn't we use that to make
chocolate rice bubbles? Does anyone know what I am wittering on about?


-- 
Michael Traub
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Aspartame
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:26:32 GMT

I used to drive past a Holly sugar plant in Santa Ana, CA.,
every day.  There was a huge pile of spent filter material
which they were sculpting with bulldozers (really more of
a mountain than a pile!).  I believe that it was limestone
or some other diatomatious earth product.  I was also told
that the waste was loaded with toxins.  Now maybe they use
ground animal bones in some factories.  I don't know.  But
there may be other reasons for avoiding refined sugar.  By
the way, the plant processed beet sugar.  I have heard that
cane sugar does not make the toxic by-products.  I once took
a tour of the C&H plant in Crocket, CA.  They did not have
those huge waste pliles.
~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
From: amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: FAQ, Vegan recipie site, etc
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:08:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.

One more time, if I could.  Is there a site with a compilation of 
vegan recipies from the net?  If not, I have been compiling recipies
for about 4 weeks now and would gladly have people E-mail me their     
favorites in order to get a compilation together.  Could someone 
please send me the FAQ, as I have not seen one in the 1-1/2 months
I havce been on here.  Thanks.






Have a nice day.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:26:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.213651.3307@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>In article <1565vbINNc27@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>>
>>Laying (unfertilized) eggs is nothing but the chicken's menstruation.
>
>	And cooking fresh corn-on-the-cob is boiling living embryos alive...
>	usually followed by consumption of the corpses.  So what?
>
Try a threaded newsreader Rich, they are ever so helpful.


-- 
Michael Traub