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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:49:25 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      PRE-REVIEW

So, yeah, ZZAJ is sittin' here on the eve of a Friday, all
depressed 'coz there's been nuthin' in the mail slot in
the way of creative tapes in a coupla' daze... just
KNOWING that there'll be NUTHIN' there AGAIN!  & walk up
to th' slot & out pops WOT????  Zoweee, it's MARCO'S CD!

Been a while since I'd heard from him, other'n on the net,
of course... & get home & pop it in... & this is AFTER
reading Marco's note that sez' sumthin' about "the long
delay" (NO problem, Marco, the CD made it WORTH the wait,
man!) & "not the style of music I'm going after" (he meant,
I assume, that I'd probably prefer something slightly
different)... not at ALL, folks!!!  "The Chessboard", by
"The Noisy Room", is POWER, creative power, that is...

Marco's vocals are indeed done "with the heart", & the
players (OHM - keyboards, guitars, Bass vox, Fabrizio
Daicampi - guitars, Rick Eight - Drums, percussion,
Donatella Pedrotti - additional vox, Cizo Franzoi - Tenor &
soprano sax, & Stefano Oss - Piano) verify my longtime
conviction that GOOD music has little to do with the
particular 'STYLE'... IOW, if it IS from the heart, it will
TAKE you into it & DO it's magic!  & that's xactly what
this CD did... we (my wife & I) listened to it 4 times
last night... simply AMAZED... this CD 'made' my weekend!
You owe it to YERSELF to GET IN TOUCH with Marco at the
distribution addresses he's posted before on ALLMUSIC!  I
absolutely LOVE his vox & keyboards... my favorite tune
was "Last Question", but the other 10 tunes display an
INTIMATE understanding of expression & STRONG talent!

& these are only my first impressions... for any who are
interested in reading MORE about Marco's CD & his GREAT
music, get in touch with me for a copy of "Improvijazzation
Nation" #7, due out in early December... I'll have my final
impressions written out in full form there!  But, DON'T
wait for that... GET this CD, !NOW!

zzaj
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:17:45 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      The Fred Frith movie is screening at Harvard tonight

_Step Across the Border_, a quasi-documentary film about guitarist Fred Frith,
will be shown for what I believe is the first time anywhere on the East Coast
outside of New York City at Harvard's Carpenter Center. There will be five
screenings: tonight, tomorrow, Sunday, Tuesday, and Wednesday nights.
From: TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET (Derek Tiffany)
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Subject: Re: Knirps for moisture (yes, this *is* a Zappa lyric)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:04:00 GMT
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No, but is it so wrong to experiment in different things?  I'm not the best
at guitar playing, acting, poetry writing, fiction writing, or movie making
but I've invested quite a bit of time in all of them and enjoyed it all.
It would be quite a boring life sitting in my room and programing in C.
So some people aren't the greatest at all things (the military and V.P.
debating comes to mind) but at least respect people who have to balls to
try something new and different.  When you're hot stuff at one thing,
it's not easy to bring yourself back down to earth and try another.

>> Now, If they have changed their music to get MTV airplay, then that might
>> be selling out.
>
>The thrust of the discussion seems to be that they did this too.

But not the thrust of the note I was responding to.

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
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Derek Tiffany          | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | URICH, cuz you gotta be
University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu    |<= djt{zero}u@aurora...
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"I have a secret to tell
 from my electrical well
 It's a simple message and Im leaving out
 The whistles and bells."
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:26:00 EDT
From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Richard Pinhas - Heldon (Discography)

Someone sent a....

>CD discography of
>Richard Pinhas-Heldon
>By Serge Devadder

Wow, quite impressive.  Did you put this on dave's music ftp site?  There's
a discography section where it might go to good use.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:02:13 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: you read it, you call it
              8 Oct 1992 21:14:50 GMT from <HAUGHD88@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>

>Picked up the new Tom Waits Cds recently. (Well, one new one - "Bone Magic",
>and the soundtrack to the recent Jarmusch movie). Pretty much in the same
>vein as Raindogs,Frank's Wild Years etc - more of the pump organ and
>singing through a bullhorn. Not likely to win any new fans for him, but I'll
>reserve further comment til I listen to it a bit more extensively.
>
>-- bjh, Dublin.
     Tom's new CD is "Bone Machine" not "Bone Magic" and personal I think its
fantastic, I'm also enthralled with his soundtrack work for _Night On Earth_.

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From: SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU (Scott Hammer)
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Subject: Battle of Hastings (little/no OMC)
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:32:01 GMT
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For anyone who cares, today is the 926th anniversary of the Battle of
Hastings, where King Harald was defeated by William the Bastard (Later,
Conqueror).

OMC:  Most everything, including music, would have been way different had
      this battle turned out differently.  For one thing, the English
      language wouldn't have gotten so Frenchified.

BTW, during a 500 Years of Genocide/Anti-Columbus Day rally in San Francisco,
observers spotted numerous protesters carrying signs reading: "U.S. Out Of
North America."  In keeping with this sentiment, and in honor of the Battle
of Hastings, I therefore propose that we form the ALLMUSIC Quixotic
Crusade, Chowder, and Marching Society, travel to England, and march around
with signs reading: "Normans Out of Wessex/Anglia."  Then we could go to
Southern France and try to get the Romans out of Gaul.

Anyone interested?

(For the humour impaired, add :)'s as needed)

-Scott "Future Dead White European (Descent) Male" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:35:15 CDT
From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      More pudding

Something in the back of my mind sent me scurrying to the record pantry looking
 for more of the same, and, alas, I found it: Wynonie Harris's "I like my baby'
s pudding" (1949).  This version is on a heavenly double LP collection entitled
 __Good Rockin' Blues__ (Gusto, GD-5040X2), undated but looks mid-70ish.  Main
refrain: "I like my baby's pudding/ Like it best of all"

              Renato "Hoping that my computer problems are over" Barahona
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Subject: Industrial Music
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:43:00 GMT
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Hi!
    I know out there, there's someone that likes the industrial beat, so these
may reach you. I'm a 'freshman' in industrial son  I hope someone can help to
find out more about the following groups:

         - Etzunde Neubauten
         - Mussolini
         - Laibach

Thanks in advanced. Here in Mexico, few people are interested in this music,
but it gives power to listen to it.

Hector Diz
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: DebUT ABLUMS
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:26:05 GMT

In article <9210081556.AA28610@andy.bgsu.edu> jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU writes:
>Also speaking from a guitar standpoint, Hendrix's first album was certainly
>a classic.
>
>                                Jeremy

If Cry Of Love is his last album, then his last album was great.
But it is hard to tell.  But is Cry Of Love the last album he put out
while alive?

Jeff
From: skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Sonia Kovitz)
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Subject: Re: Knirps for moisture (yes, this *is* a Zappa lyric)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:11:38 GMT
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              "Michael H. Bloom" at Oct 15, 92 3:16 pm

El Bloomo:

> obvious that there's an anti-intellectual bias built in to rock'n'roll that's
> often behind this particular complaint-- which is why I bristle so at L.W. an
d
> his misguided notion that blues is inherently purer more moving than whatever
> I'm listening to at the moment. Intellect is not anti-feeling, folks; I think
> if you know what you're talking about and what you're doing, you can express
a
> lot more subtlety of emotion than you can if you're drinkin' whiskey out of t
he
> bottle cuz yo' baby done left yuh... of course, if you really think inchoate
> fury is the pinnacle of human experience, then by all means, play the blues!

 Oooh, can of worms!  I can't resist!

True--there is an "anti-intellectual bias built in to rock'n'roll" as part of
its generally rebellious origins, but that doesn't mean rock'n'roll in itself
isn't "intellectual."  This word is practically meaningless anyway...  In fact
I'm not even taking issue with El Bloomo here--just unraveling some of the
worms.  Yes, there is an anti-intellectual bias perhaps in the attitudes of
rock'n'roll [that phrase could be stretched to take in a lot] PEOPLE, but the
music itself--- there is no more or less intellect in one form of music than
another if the music is GOOD.  Music comes out of the MIND, right, and again,
the word "mind" can be stretched to take in a lot... including "heart" (as in
"fingers vs. mind or heart")...

I do assume El Bloomo is being HUMOROUS (heavy metal freak that he is) here in
equating the blues with "drinkin' whiskey out of the bottle cuz yo baby done
left yuh..." and with "inchoate fury....[etc.] = blues."  Any form of music,
including a Chopin Nocturne, can degenerate into "drinkin' whiskey out of the
bottle cuz yo baby done left yuh..."  Do I have a point here?  Probably not.

Well, I think El Bloomo is jabbing at certain WAYS the blues have been
defended, not at the blues themselves...

Mythologies get built up around certain forms of music (e.g. the
anti-intellectual bias we started with) but don't CONFUSE those mythologies
with the music itself!!!

Sonia (I think I'm possessed today)
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Subject: prolific monsters/sinead/mike t.l.g. (no omc)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:05 GMT
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scott "statistics" hammer, you have created a monster!  everyone wants to
move up on the prolific poster list.  the s/n ratio has fallen through
the floor (this post included :) ...

i think lennie raie has posted at least ten times today already -- he's
aiming for the number one spot!

as proof of my thesis i offer:

From:     "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:  debut albums
Date:     Thursday, October 8, 1992 at 12:22:11 pm CDT

>  So I'm out 2 days and had to delete 100 Allmusic messages.  None of them
                                       =====================
>had Sinead O'Connor for a subject.  I'm surprised.  Do you all hate the pope
>as much as she?

you missed my comment, but the subject line said something like "you read
it, you name it", so it wasn't hard to do.

we really ought to ask mike t.l.g. to set up another list for discussing
non-musical topics generated by allmusic.  ;)  there's so musch noise
now it doesn't make sense to waste even more bandwidth in a deliberately
non-musical discussion.

sorry about not having an omc, but as tim says, sue me.



lee
From: MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester)
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Subject: Re: Knirps for moisture (yes, this *is* a Zappa lyric)
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:22:41 GMT
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:16:17 EDT Michael H. Bloom said:
>
>I once helped some friends in a Bastille Day re-enactment. We stormed the
>Federal Reserve Bank of Boston with rakes and similar implements (I carried
>a shitty acoustic guitar that had long since lost all its strings). The only
>reason we're not all in jail was because it was a Saturday :-)
>
Don't know if it's music, but--hey, I like it!!  (I think the most rebellious
I ever got was liberating a Kroger's shopping cart & returning it to my dorm
room as a sort of found art sculpture; that, and sitting on the grass &
picnicking where it was formally forbidden, in Paris.)
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:17:08 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Sinead & the pope - haven't we all seen this before?

Says Marco,
  "The history of popular music is so full of examples (= of moneymoney-
money) that one could write a 500 page book"
  There are several, but the one that most directly fits the bill is
Chapple & Garafolo's _Rock n' Roll is Here to Pay_. Despite the sancti-
monious academic Marxism, the book is a damning indictment of the supposedly
rebellious or innocent or pure musicians in the rock biz, who either actively
collude in the hype (as Marco implies that S O'C mightbe doing) or, with a
mighty effort of will, close their eyes with such force that they're guilty
anyway. Though they seem rather tonedeaf, what Chapple and Garafolo end up
documenting is the *musical* bankruptcy of r 'n r-based pop. After a while,
you start to believe that it can't be just a case of a good music gone
wrong, but must involve the corruptions of commercialism at its very heart.
While there is always room for discussion on these things, for example,
very few Blues or Jazz listeners would disagree about what it IS to "sell
out," and, therefore, about WHO is guilty of it. (Miles Davis, post _Silent
Way_, is about the only sustained controversy in the jazz world.) Roughly,
the differences between selling out and not selling out are something like
inherent in these musics, or at least readily discernible. Is this really
the case with r 'n r-based musics? I'm not saying that r 'n r itself is
intrinsically commercial, only that commercialism seems to represent a
much more tenatious problem in this field, and has done ever since Elvis..
Cheers,
Michael
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:31:56 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Classic Debut Albums

has any one mentioned Van Halen's first album as one of the "classics"
even though i'm not a fan of the group, I definitely like Eddie and
think he's a helluva picker. Was it mentioned and i missed it or is
it not considered that good. I haven't listened to it very much
could not stomach David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar for that matter, but
a great band anyway do you agree....I bet Eddie uses run-on-sentences...heck
i know he does.....L.W.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:10:13 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Classical Music Poll - part I

  The results of the classical music poll are in.

  Tastes are so varied, and the amount of music to
choose from is so huge, that there were very few
duplications of particular works.  So, the first
post with results is a list of composers.

  I gave composers points for each time they were
mentioned, and for each different person who mentioned
them.  The following is a list of all composers who
were mentioned more than once in the polling, in order.

 1 Beethoven                    Beethoven and Bach were clear winners,
 2 Bach                         there was a big gap between Bach in second
                                place, and Brahms/Mozart in 3rd.
 3 Brahms
   Mozart                       It seems the obvious choices did win.  The
 5 Mahler                       "German B's" and Amadeus took the top spots.
                                Mahler at 5th was a pleasant surprise.  The
 6 Shostakovich                 gap between 5th and 6th place was also large.
   Stravinsky
   Vivaldi                      Everyone of Vivaldi's votes came for the
 9 Ives                         Four Seasons, of course.
10 Chopin
   Haydn                        Ives in 9th place was a very surprising
   Rimsky-Korsakoff             finish.
13 Messiaen
   Prokofiev                    I was hoping, while counting votes, that
   Smetana                      Prokofiev would edge out Messiaen, to give
16 Bartok                       me something else to nag the beer about,
   Handel                       but it seems we had to settle for a tie.
   Nielsen                      At least Debussy and Ravel didn't make the
   Schoenberg                   list.
   Tchaikovsky
   Webern                       Tchaikovsky and Dvorak came in surprisingly
22 Dvorak                       low.  Having Tchaikovsky ranked with
   Rachmaninov                  Schoenberg and Webern looks odd.



                            -more to come-

                                          -Tim
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:54:56 CDT
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      New Stevie Ray

The new Stevie Ray Vaughan live CD hit the stores yesterday. I think the
title is 'In the Beginning - Live' and something about 'cuts from the
first radio broadcast'. My local CD store is holding a copy for me and says
they're going fast - has anyone heard this yet? I'm anxious for some good
live SRV, especially since I heard his previous live recording several
years ago and was mostly underwhelmed. If this set isn't so great, I may
go ahead and try to get a copy of the Mega Rare Trax 3 CD bootleg, which I
hear is available for around $50 from a place in Germany.(I've heard this
is really great, both musically and sonically.)

Paul
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Subject: Re: put up or shut up
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:55:25 GMT
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:24:37 CDT <Lee=Jenkins%PCB=Sys=Int%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ
>From: "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024%UABDPO.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>
>Subject: Blues - Put up or Shut up
>Date: Friday, October 16, 1992 at 6:31:10 am CDT
>
>   i'm not saying the blues are inferior to other forms of music.
>i would be surprised if you would submit to the same kind of treatment
>that you want to use on others.  "put up or shut up" is pretty macho,
>len.  how would you do trying to pull off metallica's _master of
>puppets_?  do you care to transcribe the first solo violin part of
>bach's double violin concerto and try playing it with all the depth
>it deserves?  do you think you could sit through sonny sharrock long
>enough to learn the parts?

I have blasted heavy metal and some country, I have never said anything
against classical or jazz (i like both). I never said heavy metal was easy
to play i said it was trash IMHO and i still say that. On the otherhand
it was implied that the blues was just three chords and the quote that was
used was an insult to some of the greatest muscicians that ever played
an instrument. So i replied in a logical manner saying if it is so easy
do it. So far no one has said they were sending me a tape of them playing
Red House, Texas Flood, Third Degree...I'll admit i can't do Srv, Jimi
and make it sound like them, i've tried it's hard to me. It's obviously
easy to some of the legends in this group, so i want to here them.
You have misunderstood...it's cut and dry...if i receive a tape from one
of the legend on this group and they have Hendrix,John Lee, Srv, Lightin
albert,B.B. and the other 3 chord masters down then i either say they
were right (i doubt it) or i'll say so-and-so is a hell of a player.
I will continue to defend the musicians who run circles around most
of todays players.......don't loose my adress now......L.W.

P.S. I did say that i could play circles around the Pearl Jam fellow
and so could my five year old
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Epic debut albums - part 2

Michelle says:

>Tears for Fears first epic album was called "Songs from the Big Chair".
>Didn't they only do one more album and then split up?  I know Roland what's-
>his-name produced some of Oleta Adam's debut--which, by the way, was an epic
>debut also, IMHO.

        Their first album was called "The Hurting". I guess I was one of
the first people who bought it. It raised a lot of attention in the UK and
in other European countries, but it didn't give them stardom.
        "Songs From The Big Chair" was their second, in fact. They were still
in Bath in that period, and I know for sure than one evening they walked up
to Peter Gabriel's home to play him the advance version of "Shout". Gabriel
listened in silence, and in his usual humble-mumble way finally said: "this
will be number one". And, boy, he saw it right that time!
        Their last album was called "The Seeds Of Love", and featured Oleta
Adams in fact, whom Roland Orzabal picked up in a night club in... er, Chi-
cago?
        There is an anthology out too, called "Tears Roll Down". It is purely
commercial, since it contains old tracks and the new one -- namely "Tears
Roll Down".
        The Tears For Fears name is legally owned by Orzabal, though; so I
would expect more works with that trademark. But the duo thing is probably
gone forever...

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:38:22 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: improvisation vs. interpret
              10 Oct 1992 15:01:17 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

On Improvisation:

%improvisation           what is being         style of music
after composition        improvised
------------------------------------------------------------------
 0%                                            nothing
10%                      tempo                 classical, renaissance
20%                      tempo, sections       top 40 (without solos)
30%                      solos                 top 40 (with solos)
40%                      notes                 folk
50%                      length                R & B
60%                      more notes            bebop
70%                      more notes            jazz fusion, indian ragas
80%                      more notes            free form acoustic jazz
90%                      pitch, timbre         electronic jazz
100%                                           pink noise

any comments?

Mike Masuda