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From: ron@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Ferret Ban in Renton, WA
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:35:14 GMT
Expires: 30 Apr 92 04:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: 76376.3147@compuserve.com
Followup-To: rec.pets
Distribution: usa
Organization: Musteledonia Freedom Fighters

RELAY FROM GENIE PET-NET FERRET CENTRAL:

[long message follows]

D.BOWMAN8 [SHARON]           at 21:23 EDT
 
To All:

I have some distressing news.  The City of Renton wants to ban
ferrets. They want to classify them as exotics.  They held a
meeting yesterday at 3:00 and I found out about it at 10:00 PM last
night. Not a word in the papers anywhere.

I have the newspapaer article in front of me and I am so
heartbroken.

Tim Schlitzer (City Council) said the ordinance is designed to
protect neighborhoods.  Other exotic animals in the ordinance
include alligators, crocodiles, bears, cheetahs, wolves, primates,
raccoons, venomous snakes and fish, and the weasel family, which
includes ferrets.

If anyone wants to write to the City Council here is the address:

City of Renton
 Municipal Building
 City Council
 200 Mill Avenue South
 Renton, WA  98055

206-235-2586

The City Council Members are:
 Bob Edwards
 Kathy Keolker-Walker
 Nancy Mathews
 Toni Nelson
 Tim Schlitzer
 Jesse Tanner
 Dick Stredicke

Let's get some Genie Power [read this "network" power] at work
here.  I can't believe that they are doing this here.  I will not
give up my friends.

Thank you
 Sharon
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From: ann@plxsun (Ann Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: looking for ringtailed lemurs
Keywords: n
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:25:28 GMT
Organization: PLEXUS Software, Inc.

As for keeping lemurs as pets ... I have worked with them as a zoo volunteer
and not found them particularly nasty, though they do bite.  As with any
primate, they are quite intelligent, and can be difficult to handle.  Lemurs 
are not house-trainable, and have a tendency to deficate when ever they move 
from one location to another.  The males are also well known for a strong odor,
and social hierarchy is established through stink wars, where the scent is 
rubbed on the tail using glands on the forearms, and then the tail is flicked
to send the scent to the opponent.  Not something I would want in my house.

Now, for a short lecture .... Please, please please do not try to keep a wild
animal as a pet.  These guys are not domesticated, and can not be.  They are
highly social, and need to be in a troop with other lemurs.  If you have a need,as I do, to interact with exotic animals, check with your local zoo about 
becoming an educational volunteer (docent).  This will give you a chance to be 
around some wonderful critters, and to do some good by helping to educate the
public about animals, the environment, and the fate of endangered species.
From: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Katie Fritz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: My ferret doesnt like linatone
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:12:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr16.145656.13804@ms.uky.edu> clagett@ms.uky.edu (Bill Clagett) writes:
>set@cis.ksu.edu (Toaster Man) writes:
>
>	Everythingis fine with him but he has a slightly mal-nutritioned
>	ferret.. So she suggestedlinatone to me.. Which I went out and bought,
>
[Some deletions]
>                                People mention Nutrical every once and
>a while as being good for the undernourished ferret; I don't have any
>personal experience with it.
>
Linatone is a vitamin supplement, but I'm not sure how it would help
with an underweight ferret.  Nutrical is a high-calorie food supplement
with vitamins added.  We have been giving it to Bandit, who is undergoing
chemotherapy for liver cancer, & had lost a great deal of weight due
to his illness (*not* the chemo).  He gets about 2 teaspoons at a time,
twice a day, mixed with his medication, and has gained weight & is noticeably
stronger since then.  The vet noticed a difference in just a week!  Nutrical
can be obtained from vets, though we are now getting it from a mail-order
pet supply outfit since Bandit goes through about a tube a week.

Katie Fritz
fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Subject: Re: my bunny eats strange foods...
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:23:30 GMT

carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (John Carey) writes:

>Also, don't feed them avocados.  There was a display at the vet school
>about avocados and they are toxic to birds especially, even goats.
>I don't remember if they mentioned rabbits, but I would avoid it.

I think the fruit itself is not toxic,
but all parts of the plant and the pit are.
At least, this is supposed to be the case
with birds.

jari
From: heiland@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.j.heiland)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Beginner bunny benefactor
Keywords: rabbit bunny godzilla
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:59:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


I'm glad to see our two week new 3 month old dwarf bunny is
behaving "normally".  Just from reading a few posts in this group
we've already had several questions answered (and had a few good
laughs :)

I guess we've resigned ourselves to letting our bunny (as yet
unnamed, though I think it thinks its name is Bunnyrabbit) eat
and go as it chooses, for the most part.  It eats everything!
Loves cardboard, paper, tissues, book jackets, the bookshelf, the
wicker trash basket, the tv's remote control...even real food!
Had us wondering there for the first two days when it would even
bite our fingers!

It has plenty of alfalfa (from a bag - where do you get it
fresh?), and even a fruit mix rod, but it still chews on
everything even right after its done ripping through the mix!
Its really rather funny, though for a week or two we wondered if
we would wake up to find some furniture missing.  Our main
concern is whether any of this is unhealthy.  Is there anything
specific in the apartment that it should not eat?  We try to
provide a variety of pellets, hay, vegetable leaves, fruit mix, a
mineral salt lick, yogurt drop treats, etc.  When is it "old"
enough not to worry too much about the water content of
vegetables?

The bunny loves the carpet tunnel idea (though it spends most of
its time eating the label off of the bottom of the rug :).  After
a few days of timidity, our bunny has become pretty affectionate.
Loves to be petted (even roughly to our surprise - looks cute
when it flattens out), occassionally lets itself be picked
up easily, and it runs around at blazing speeds.  Of course, it can
also sit there in complete ignorance of everything else while it
vacuums up our wool carpets (which it does constantly!).  It does
occassionally exhibit some "ticks" when jumping around (kind of
shakes its leg or head while flipping aroung), though it
walks and runs just fine - how smoothlyh should it be jumping?  
It certainly jumps on the couch easily enough.

Actually, that's one problem - it uses the couch as a restroom.
We have a litterbox with a small amount of Tidy Cat litter (seems
to like it changed twice a day) that it uses (and sometimes
sleeps in), and it has pretty much gone only in the box, except
for the couch.  Are we going to have to leave a litterbox on the
couch too?  Don't want to stop it from jumping up.  The couch is
only a short distance to its cage, so it can't be that lazy.  The
cage is really a large chicken wire pen with an alcove in one corner of
the room.

As you might have guessed, any suggestions on where to get more
bunny information would be appreciated.  We have Barrons "The New
Rabbit Book" and its helpful, but where does one get "House
Rabbit Handbook"?  Any places in the Parsippany/Morristown, NJ
area?


Dave Heiland   djh@neptune.att.com
From: cusanell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dominic Cusanelli)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: FREE ADULT DOG
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:47:08 GMT
Reply-To: cusanell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dominic Cusanelli)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


FREE TO A GOOD HOME - Adult male cocker-poo (hybrid breed 1/2 
poodle and 1/2 cocker spaniel), seven years old, neutered, all white, 
does not shed (must be cut every 8 - 10 weeks), 20 pounds, "inside" 
dog, has been around children all his life.  We are reluctant to part 
with him but our infant has shown allergic reactions towards him.
Other problem: He likes to escape from yard so he must be put in a 
fenced-in yard or on a dog chain when outside.  Habits: he tends to 
be active in the morning and evening, and sleeps most of the day.  
Is current on all shots.  Answers to the name of "Corky".  
Please E-mail any inquiries.
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: my bunny eats strange foods...
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:48:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.202330.5913@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>, junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka) writes:
> 
> carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (John Carey) writes:
> 
> >Also, don't feed them avocados.  There was a display at the vet school
> >about avocados and they are toxic to birds especially, even goats.
> >I don't remember if they mentioned rabbits, but I would avoid it.
> 
> I think the fruit itself is not toxic,
> but all parts of the plant and the pit are.
> At least, this is supposed to be the case
> with birds.
> 
Also, the brownish-tinged fleshy part that surrounds the pit is toxic.
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Need FERRET Info
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:55:09 GMT

In article <ku1qfjINN5hc@spim.mips.com> eminger@mips.com (Dawn Eminger) writes:
>I would like to get as much info on ferrets as possible,
>as far as ownership goes. My boyfriend wants one very
>much and I need to get all the particulars before a decision
>is made...
>
>Please send me all you know, including info on:
>price, where to buy (Northern Ca), upkeep cost,
>food, ferret + cat relations, vet costs, etc....
>
>Most appreciated!!
>
>Dawn Eminger
>eminger@mips.com
>
Sadly, they are illegal in CA.  So lobby your legislature to legalize 
the little darlings.

Ferrets are very cheap.  One bag of Iams kitten food ($20) lasts me
about three months for my two ferrets.  They need a high quality cat
food, like Iams or Science Diet, or a good ferret chow, like Purina.
Some ferret chows are actually mink food, and are poisonous to ferrets,
so be careful.  Mine get along well enough with my cats.  The cats
are afraid of them, though my cats were afraid of hamsters.

Vet costs should be about the same as a dog or cat.

They are extremely playful, very affectionate, and I have never seen
one being agressive.  They sometimes get carried away in play, and
play-bite, but mine have never left any marks doing so, and it is a
rare event, anyway.  It is easy to train them not to.  

Eric, Hershey, Nestle'
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Subject: Re: More on Ferrets weight
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:02:05 GMT

In article <set.702845807@harry.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> set@cis.ksu.edu (Toaster Man) writes:
>Well I put my ferret in the cage by himself last night.  I noticed this morning
>that he was eating out of his bowl and had a healthy disposal.  Hes just
>very skinny but hes been that was ever since I have had him, but compaired to
>my other ferret which i think is a little fat hes really skinny.. Is thier

There's a product called Nutrical.  It's a high calorie substance that's often
used for animals that are sick or need extra energy.  That might help.
(1/2 to 1 inch a day)  I wouldn't worry about it, though.  Sounds like he's
just naturally skinny.  You'll probably find that he'll plump up again
in a few month, or next time he changes his coat.  Ferrets will very 
often loose a lot of weight when they go into their spring coat.  

Also, if he's eating well, and utilizing the litterbox well, chances are
he's not dehydrated.  Don't worry about it.  

I'm glad this time was a false alarm.  But at least now you know what
to look for in the future, so maybe you will be able to detect it early
if something serious does happen.

- Nancy

-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Ferrets and Nutrical
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:04:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr16.140452.23194
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: christin@sun-13.cae.wisc.edu

I have a question,

What is nutrical (i.e. is it the same as Ferretone?)

Chris.

christin@cae.wisc.edu
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 17:30:00 EDT
From: <TAL115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: mice

     I just got a little cute tan mouse, and I know he/she(see it hasn't
developed yet) is a vegatarian, but I would like to know how much fresh fruits
and veggies he should get, how much gerbil feed to give him/her, and that kind
of stuff.  It's blind, but in no way is it stupid.  It has escaped from my hand
twice now.  Anyhow, any information you could give me would be great!
                                               Thanks,
                                                   Tricia
                                                   &*#@$)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: "Weed & Feed" Vs. Rabbits
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:59:59 GMT

In article <xtzj#1d.dosbears@netcom.com>, dosbears@netcom.com (David R. Preston) writes:
> 
> My backyard is, literally, half grass and half polli (ah) polli (ah)
> pollinating weeds (ah-choo!).  The backyard used to be the rabbit run,
> but now they're in a side yard.  I want to get rid of the weeds, my
> housemate wants to be able to let the rabbits in the backyard occasionally.
> There are products (weed & feed, etc.) that claim to kill the weeds while
> fertilizing the lawn.  Would this be safe to use around the rabbits?  Would
> it be safer to wait several days after applying the weed-killer before 
> letting them into the yard?  Would it be safe for them to eat the grass 
> and/or dying weeds?

YES, IT WOULD BE SAFE -- NOT!!!!!!!  

If you decide to use chemicals on the weeds, be sure to bring the rabbits
inside until the spray dries (or the powder settles, whichever you're using).
Then, that's it.  Keep the rabbits completely separated from that part of
the yard.  They'll have to stay in the side yard until next spring.

My personal feelings are that, although allergies are horrendous, the earth
has already endured enough poisoning without my help.

-Eve
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: Auferret@CVMMDL1.MSstate.EDU (Jennifer Au)
Subject: Continuing ferret story
Organization: Miss. State U. College of Vet. Med.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:34:22 GMT

I thought I'd let everyone here the rest of the story about my pregnant jill 
that I gave the modified live distemper vaccine to. Last week she started to
have a pus like discharge from her vagina. I started her on antibiotics to 
clear it up. She delivered Tuesday morning about 2:00 am. (You're up later
than this many times when you're in vet school) She had 7 live and 2 dead.
She cleaned the kits but wouldn't nurse them. I took over the job but was
unsuccessful. I lost the last kit this morning. Apparently it is quite
common for a first time mom to neglect the litter. The mother had a red/maroon
discharge this morning so she is back in the clinic. I'll let you know what 
we find out. I guess will never know if the distemper vaccine had any effect
on the kits. The poor little guys didn't have much of a chance between the 
vaccine, the infection in their mom's vagina and possibly uterus, and not
being able to nurse. I have another jill due in 2 weeks. I hope it goes better
with her. It couldn't go worse.
        Jenny Au
From: Auferret@CVMMDL1.MSstate.EDU (Jennifer Au)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferrets on the National News
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:08:15 GMT
Organization: Miss. State U. College of Vet. Med.

In article <scutfINNlq7@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller) writes:
> 
Did anyone out there happen to tape the news? I missed it (I was at a ferret
show in GA) I'd be interested in seeing the clip.
    Jenny Au
> Anyone catch the bit on the news, I think it was Saturday, on a Ferret Fair
> in (I think) MD?  Lots and lots of pampered ferrets, being showed and showed
> off-one rolled over on command for the commentator.  But the news people took
> the whole thing as a joke and a fad and failed to extol the virtues of 
> ferrets--even allowed us to think they are _weasels_! (gasp!)  One person
> interviewed said she had 50-some ferrets and had just purchased another--
> can never have enough, she said!
> 
> Ruth
> 
> 
> 
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From: schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Ferrets & Allergies
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:53:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.014546.19143@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> swoodcoc@isis.cs.du.edu (Steven Markus Woodcock) writes:

>become noticable recently, and we suspect it's due to Spring and
>all of the plants that begin to blossom and generate pollen this time
>of year.
>
> What can you do?  Not much.  Keep the windows closed at night and keep
>the house clean (vaccume regularly).  You MIGHT try talking to your

Personally, I use some air filters.  My own room has a Norelco  electrette
filter (uses a charged filter, no free ions), and we have two ionizers.
The ionizers are for my brother's alergies to our cats.  We also have
central air conditioning (which if you have bad alergies can be written
off to your medical insurance).  It would also be a good idea not to
clean around the ferrets.  Cleaning stirs dust up, so give any area
time to clear before the ferrets go back in.

Hanging spider plants can also filter the air naturally.

E.S., Hershey, Nestle'
From: shodapp@eos.ncsu.edu (SUSAN  HODAPP)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferrets and soap..
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:58:58 GMT
Reply-To: shodapp@eos.ncsu.edu (SUSAN  HODAPP)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

from set@cis.ksu.edu . . .

>. . . stuff deleted . . .
>Also i would like to touch up on the ferret bear topic. I have never
BLAH, BLAH
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that a new cross breed?  Call for the news group REC.PETS.FERRET-BEAR.
;^}
Susan
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: Mark A Gsellman <mgsellma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Question?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:24:06 GMT

I was just wondering and please do not get offended, is there usually any
other subject of discussion besides ferrets? I ask this because I own a dog
and all I read about is ferrets and I'd like to know if there is a news group
for dogs and dog owners.  Please don't get mad at me for this because I'm
just curious, not to start an arguement.

Anything would be of help.

By the way, How do ferrets make as pets and how much do they run ($)?

Thanx,
 Mark
From: 586smith@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Questions on Ferrets.
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:04:50 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


     Hello, I am looking for more info on getting a ferret as a Pet. I live
in Michigan and I belive they just passed a law allowing ferret as pets here.
     Some questions I have are: Are there different breeds, what should I look
for in a ferret(how to tell if they are healthy),what items do I need to take
care of a Ferret.

please E-mail

thanks
Eric Smith
Western Michigan University
586smith@gw.wmich.edu
From: Michael.Gamer@f400.n348.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Gamer)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Electroplating
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 09:11:38 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:348/400 - DEFCON InfoSystem, Winnipeg MB

while electroplating, Using Zinc Sulfate and a Dc power Source of 13.8 v at 3
amps why is the fuse constantly blowing?????
Help Anyone?


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From: Janet.Murray@f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Janet Murray)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: creationism
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 23:16:43 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

In a message of <Apr 05 03:55>, Frank Topping (1:203/454) wrote: 

 FT> Replying to a message by George Cormie at 89:701/204.0,

 FT>  Hi George!

 FT>     On 02-Apr-92 your message held:

 LH>>We are trying to keep this a Science Echo.  This echo is not a 
 LH>> Religion
 LH>>Echo.
 LH>>Thank you for your cooperation.

 LH>>Moderator of Science Echo

Although you apparently intended to reply to a message from George 
Cormie, the part of the message you quoted was actually from Lowell 
Herr, the Moderator of K12 Science Ed (thus the initials "LH") - I 
suspect this is very confusing to new users.  I think we experienced
telecommmunicators who are involved in K-12 educational uses need
to be more careful about how we phrase our messages and select
our quotations.  As I watch the kids at my school, and present
workshops around the state of Oregon, I continue to learn about
new users' perceptions of this medium and the extent to which
they are intimidated . . .

may I suggest that you keep the educational/curricular/instructional
goals in mind when you enter messages in K12Net echoes.

Thank you.

--Janet
 



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From: Lowell.Herr@f29.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lowell Herr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: CHemistry teachers using this echo
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 02:50:20 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/29 - The Catlin Gabel Sc, Portland OR

 MV>  >> Are there many chemistry teachers using this echo?
 MV> 
 MV> I am a chemistry teacher in a secondary school in Brussels.
 MV> My pupils are between 14 and 18 year old.

I forwarded your message on to a Chem Teacher and I hope he will respond to 
your question.

LH


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From: Tony.Ermie@f12.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Tony Ermie)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: creationism
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 11:36:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/12 - On**Line Visalia, Visalia CA

Hello George!

In a msg of <02 Apr 92>, George Cormie writes to Lowell Herr:

 GC> the scientific evidence that these are incorrect (and not just in the
 GC> area of evolution but in all aspects of science).

Beg to differ with your assumption that the scientific evidence for
evolution is even evidence, much less strong evidence or proof that
scientific evolutionism is anything more than a belief system....

There IS a difference between true science (knowledge) and the postulations of evolutionists....

Give us your three best evidences for evolution...

 GC>  I have no interest in keeping this topic going if only to provide a
 GC>  forum for poorly informed fundamentalists.

What aspect of evolutionary scientism are the "poorly informed fundamentalists" missing?  Is it the fact there is no gap? :)

Enlighten us all, George...

Tony


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