HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: scheduled events that take phone off-hook?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:19:38 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:

| I don't understand this entire thread.  What purpose is served by taking the
| phone off-hook that isn't better served by simply turning off the modem's
| auto-answer capability?

LOTS!

"Ring Ring Ring Ring" = "Hey Joe, scratch that BBS - it's down...."

"Bwrap Bwrap Bwrap" = "Joe, let's try that BBS later - it's busy..."

.... simple.


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: command 'me' in waffle 1.64
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:21:20 GMT

In article <470XXB2w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> daniel drucker <xyzzy@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
|When I type 'me' in waffle 1.64, I get:
|
|...
|Video Adapter: [insert linenoise type garbage here]
|
|Any ideas ?

*sigh*... (dig, dig, dig... aha, here it is, the one that has ELVIS IS KING
stamped on the back!... insert floppy... unzip 1.64 source...)

Diagnosis: you have "video: bios" in the static file.

Options:
1) don't use "video: bios" in your static file [but presumably you have it
   there for a reason]
2) upgrade to 1.65 to get the bug fix
3) add ', "BIOS"' to the end of the definition of types[] in memory() in
   dos.c, but presumably if you had the source you'd have fixed it already.

  Bill
From: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs KB5SNF)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Why we use Waffle
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:56:48 CST
Organization: The Red Headed League; Lawton, OK, USA
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:

> In <TTXmXB3w165w@1776.COM> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
> 
>>This brings up an interesting point: What percentage of the Waffle community
>>actually runs a BBS or cares about Waffle's ability to support one?  For my
[...]
> 
>         If I didnt want to run a BBS I would give up Waffle and use other
> UUCP systems.  For one thing, Unix is much better than MS-DOS and comes
> with UUCP communication utilities.  There is even a free clone, called
> Linux available for IBM PC clones, i386 and above.

I use waffle because it is the best package that will do UUCP and news
on an 8088.

-- 
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From: root@cibbs.UUCP (Mark Buckaway)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: HELP: Status line disappears in Waffle for DOS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:35:27 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

Does anyone else have the problem whereby the top status line disappears when
the screen is scrolled. The status bar is reclaimed when the screen is cleared
by the data on the status line is lost and whatever text happened to be there
is kept from scrolling.

Note, this happens on three different machines and the VIDEO selection in the
STATIC file makes no difference. Also, this occurs with or without and ANSI
driver.

This is extremely annoying as I have no idea who is every online. My rumaging
through the source code has turned up nothing other than it appears Tom is not
trapping all the necessary DOS/BIOS calls required to keep the status line on
the top of the screen. This problem make me feel like re-writing the DOS.C
file from scratch using only Borland's CONIO functions....

Help! Anyone?
Mark

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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: scheduled events that take phone off-hook?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 17:48:49 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

william@cithara.login.qc.ca (William Ross) writes:

> william@cithara.login.qc.ca (William Ross) writes:
> 
> > Is there a way for Waffle to take the phone offhook when running
> > selected scheduled events, like compacting harddrives, generating stats,
> > basic housework.
> 
> Even an RTFM would be nice. Or is anybody reading this?

There are command line programs that could be run from a .bat file
to send commands to the modem. Perhaps you could use one of those.
I don't know specific titles; check archie or simtel or something.


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: jkilday@nlbbs.UUCP (Jack Kilday)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: ZipNews Door for Waffle in BETA Release
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:13:37 EDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Northern Lights BBS, Portland, ME  * 207-761-4782 *

mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:
>
> Does Northern Lights BBS support anonymous uucp connections?
> Your sig suggests that it may.

Nope.  We support UUCP, but not the anonymous variety.

> Since getting a V32bis modem, I've discovered that I now prefer
> (normally) to snarf files/pass mail via anonymous uucp or default
> uucp connections.  Waffle sysops should give it some thought.

When it comes to grabbing files, if one is v.32bis equipped, I don't
think I'd go the UUCP route.  My experience is only with UUCP "g",
7 windows, perhaps there is a better variant.  I can't do better
than 1500 cps and usually it's down around 1400 cps.  Now, give me a
straight dial-up with Ymodem-G or Zmodem MobyTurbo and I can hit 1700 cps
nearly every time.

> Don't have the delay in delivery of the files nor the pasting the
> uuencoded pieces together then decoding.  And long distance is
> surprizingly cheap at the 60% off rate for uucp due to the
> automatated login/tranfer sequences.

True, and if you use Reach Out America, you can do even better.

Back on the subject -- if you'd like to try ZipNews (and watch how
fast your callers can get on and off again with a full day's news),
send e-mail to file-server@nlbbs.rn.com with the following line of text:
  get \temp\znews094.zip

Alternatively, I think you can grab it via FTP from halcyon.com.  I believe
it was posted there today.

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The Northern Lights BBS    |                     -=-
207-761-4782 (v.32bis/HST) | 4-Nodes, 700 Megs * Internet: UUCP, FTP, Telnet
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Helldiver - Old news suggestion
Keywords: helldiver old news suggestion
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:58:57 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <k6DLXB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:

>> In <0llVrAnJBh107h@nadir.uucp> crespin@nadir.uucp (Rudy Crespin) writes:
>> >In <5SOVrA5ABh107h@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US (Bob Van Cl
>> >>I have a suggestion/request for Helldiver:
>> 
>> >>Add the ability to read "old" messages.
>> 
>> >>Bob
>> 
>> >I believe the "Show All" otion under the "Read" menu will allow yuo to do th
>> 
>> >Rudy
>> 
>> BEEP!  The "Show All" is actually, "SHow all Headers."  IT shows the header
>> data that is not normaly shown with the message.  Try it.

>Beep yourself.  Show All and Show All Headers are two completely
>different menu options in different windows.

>-- 
>Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   | "Much to our dismay, the C compiler
>pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    | does not read the manuals."
>**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        | Libes & Ressler, *Life with UNIX*

Right, except that the person said under the READ menu, which I took to 
mean the read menu when I was reading messages.


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From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: scheduled events that take phone off-hook?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 21:07:01 EST
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:

> I don't understand this entire thread.  What purpose is served by taking the
> phone off-hook that isn't better served by simply turning off the modem's
> auto-answer capability?

For a Waffle used as a BBS, a busy signal presented to a caller
is much better than an unanswered ring.  The busy indicates "yes,
I got the right number, but the system's busy right now", whereas
an extended ring "hmm, maybe there's no bbs here any more."

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CompuServe: 72517.666@compuserve.COM
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:35:55 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.99

August.Abolins%f115.n514.z17@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:

>       <> On 01-21-93, at approximately 8:16am,
>       <> Russell Schulz was discombobulated,
>       <> and said... (to All)
> 
> RS>and yes, this in itself would only help the ms-dog users.  and only

[a _lot_ was quoted for one line (one word, actually).  sigh]

> Do you Unix-folk have to resort to using terms like ms-dog, messy-dos,

since rusnews only works under ms-dog, I don't know who he's talking to.
I have to assume it isn't me (although my name is up above).  but if it's
YOU he's talking to, please make sure to move the conversation somewhere
else.

> to modern editors for *nix.   Why not atleast acknowledge that DOS does
> a good job for a significant portion of the PC user market.

I admit, the `good job' part was funny.

>  * DeLuxe2 1.25 #10137 * --------------------[ abolins@visavis.cam.org ]---
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
From: harrison@adobe.com (Harrison Page)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: command 'me' in waffle 1.64
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:11:04 GMT
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <470XXB2w164w@jaflrn.UUCP>, xyzzy@jaflrn.UUCP (daniel drucker)
wrote:
> 
> When I type 'me' in waffle 1.64, I get:
> Coreleft: 240744
> Display mode: 3
> Columns: 80
> Active page: 0
> Video Adapter: [insert linenoise type garbage here]
> 
> Any ideas ?

That's the "mem" command, silly.

  ..Harrison

--
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Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, California
"Not satisified with being dead, they packed up and headed west."
From: ed@srconslt.mv.com (Ed Sinamark)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Why we use Waffle
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 05:11:08 -0500
Reply-To: ed@srconslt.mv.com
Organization: SRC Computer Consulting, Hudson, NH

In <TTXmXB3w165w@1776.COM> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
[stuff deleted]

>This brings up an interesting point: What percentage of the Waffle community
>actually runs a BBS or cares about Waffle's ability to support one?  For my
>part, I use Waffle so that my wife and I can send and receive email and read
>news.  

Why not start up a poll/vote?  Personallly I'm like you I run Waffle just
to have Mail/News for my Family.

-- 
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SRC Computer Consulting |                   | If we weren't all CRAZY we
19 Sandalwood Road      |ed@srconslt.mv.com | would go insane     
Hudson NH, 03051        |                   |         - Jimmy Buffett
From: John.DeBruyn@p4.f89.n104.z1.fidonet.org (John DeBruyn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Internet Echo on FidoNet started by Adam Michlin
Date: 23 Jan 1993 08:50:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


The Navigate Mailing List, an interactive workshop for Internet novices
at Buffalo.edu, is taking a breather.  The list owner plans, at some
indefinite future time, to start his mailing list up again.

I am following the NewList Mailing List. When Navigate starts up again
its likely that a notice will be posted there.  I will post a message in
the new Internet Echo (see next item below) when Navigate starts up
again.

Good News.  As promissed here is an announcement for the Internet Echo
on Fido Net:

Date:   Sun Jan 17 1993  10:38:04
From:   Adam Michlin
To:     All
Subj:   INTERNET echo

The INTERNET echo is now available:

This echo is for novices and other non-experts to discuss the use of
the Internet.  Finally, a place where the question "How do I send
netmail from my fidonet address to my friend on the Internet and
vice versa?" is on-topic.

What INTERNET is:
o A place to ask "dumb" questions like:
* How do I get a node-number on the Internet?
* How can I get a full Usenet feed with my 1200 bps modem and
my Fidonet mailer?
o A place to discuss getting access to the Internet, and getting
Usenet feeds.
o A place to discuss the "cool" places to FTP from, how to
FTP/Telnet, and how to be polite about FTP'ing.
o You don't know what FTP'ing is?  INTERNET is the echo for you.
o A place to discuss how to address mail from Fidonet to other
non-Fidonet technology networks such as Compuserve.

What INTERNET isn't:
o An overly technical echo.  Topics like "Getting the best
throughput with UUCP-G" will be tolerated, but not looked upon
favorably =) o A place to discuss the actual technical issues behind
running your own Usenet/Internet gateway.  (For this, you might try
the UFGATE echo).

Why?:
o  Why not?
o  It's needed.  The OTHERNETS echo gets a lot of Internet related
traffic and needs to return back to Fidonet technology related
issues.  How many times have you seen someone ask something
about the Internet in an echo that has nothing to do with
the Internet?  I see many messages like that consistently in
all sorts of echos.

Who?:
o  The moderators are Adam Michlin@143/143 and Software John@143/8.
I (Adam) am the current moderator of the backbone echo OTHERNETS,
and to some extent an Internet novice myself.  John runs the
Internet<->Fidonet connection for Net 143 and will be the
resident 'expert'.

Where?:
o Currently available from:
Adam Michlin    1:143/143
Software John   1:143/8
Guy Martin      1:143/269
Mark Woolworth  1:209/710
Barry Kapke     1:125/125

-Adam Michlin
1:143/143
amichlin@cats.UCSC.EDU

------------

Best wishes Adam with your new undertaking. J.
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UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: John.DeBruyn@p4.f89.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
From: jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (John Hood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: How to set up smail3.1.27 with Unix waffle (was A Waffle question)
Keywords: Unix version (Xenix SysV), Smail-3.1.27, Waf165
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:34:48 GMT
Organization: Cthulhu Worship Meeting of Southern Vermont

In article <1993Jan20.012744.245@victrola.sea.wa.us>
vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan) writes:

>First, I used your 'only crazy people should attempt' method for defining the
>shell system as a different systemname than the waffle 'system' and it
>works so well that maybe you ought'a make it the recommended way.

Well, you have something intriguing here.

I don't think what Tom was thinking of was the same as what you're
thinking of.  I think Tom was talking about having the host system be
'system.foo.com' and the bbs being 'bbs.foo.com', to each other and
the external world.

What you have is a way of giving them both the same name but doing
some handwaving behind the curtain to give them different names to
Waffle.

-- 
John Hood					Cthulhu-- just imagine it!
jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us
Duke U, 1980:  "Okay, so a few systems have the net started. What next?"
From: woody@memalph.UUCP (Woody Harper)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Offline Readers 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:08:40 GMT
Organization: Memory Alpha


In article <1993Jan21.003742.659@victrola.sea.wa.us> vince@victrola.sea.wa.us writes:

  > 
  > jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
  > 
  > >Then there's news.
  > 
  > >Waffle doesn't handles news very well.  If you were using it 10 years 
  > >ago, you'd probably be amazed at how powerful it is.  But this is 1993,
  > >and there are literally dozens of programs that do a better job.
  > 
  > there are simply no better *MSDOS* usenet news/mail/uucp packages available.
  > No, it's not 'real unix' so the modern news software like 'nn' doesn't work.
  > That's not Tom's fault.  He didn't write MesS-DOS (did he?)...
  > 
  > It's totally unfair to compare DOS Waffle to 'nn' and 'elm'.  There's no
  > comparison because of the constraints of DOS.
  > 
  > It's totally warranted to compare Waffle to UUPC/extended...or to FSUUCP,
  > or to anything else that runs under DOS.  Waffle blows their doors off
  > in every regard (speed, stability, features, standards...you name it!).

No way! I just switched from WAFFLE 1.65 to UUPC/extended with SNEWS and it 
blows the doors (pardon the pun) off of Waffle. The uucico with uupc
has the same throughput as waffle's and is much more error tolerant in a 
multitasking environment. Unless the next version of waffle screams, I will
stick with uupc.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-                                                           
Woody Harper                                              woody@memalph.UUCP
                    I Find Things... That Make Me Go!

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Wish List for Waffle v1.66
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:47:34 GMT

In article <kRFuXB11w165w@ruth.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:
|One non-rn request... when using feeds file entry with a "/batch=fido"
|(or other similar), would it be possible to keep messages posted by
|rnews (as compared to Waffle) from posting into the file of the
|name 'fido'?

Waffle uses rnews to post, so it's not gonna be that easy to check this.

Luckily, there's a solution that's already workable: put either
a) the name of the entry in the feeds file, or
b) some random spooge, and you get

a) automatic protection, or
b) protection after you put /path=randomspooge in the feeds file.

  Bill
From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO for Windows and OS/2
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:46:52 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Tom Salzmann) writes:

> free.  Furthermore, if the entire source code is given to me, I will
> pay the $120.00 fee (or whatever it is) to Tom Dell for the source and
> I will still make the OS/2 version available to him only for 
> distribution with the Waffle package.  I want nothing out of this but
> the ability to run this BBS as a native OS/2 program.
> 
> I will sign any non-disclosure that Tom wishes for me to sign.  I will
> ask for no copyright or financial reward.  I just want the thing ported
> and I have the tools and skills to do it.

You should be discussing this with Tom, not us. If you send him the $120,
I suspect that you'll have bought the source, with the exceptions as are
noted in the docs. 

---
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers and broken software
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:57:09 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.99

stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:

> If your version of Waffle won't let you configure your site properly,
> get a real version of Waffle.

in conversations with another infoserv customer, it seems that using a
real waffle 1.65 and setting `node' and `uucpname' correctly makes
everything work wonderfully (tests still going on).

>>Then why did Rhys email me the new HSEND.EXE fix, which now correctly
>>sets my headers?
> 
> Because he figured that you wouldn't bother to act on your own behalf

[first it was analogies, now it's getting as bad as `what would have Walt
wanted' in rec.arts.disney]

> Ok, maybe if you were running a real copy of Waffle and not the
> "modified" version you were given it would be more functional?

I don't know why infoserv modified it in the first place (then again, 1.63
_was_ a long time ago, and I don't know how many would like to be using
an UNmodified copy of that now), but hopefully it's resolved now.

> out. You couldn't care less that people you annoy in mail can't reply to
> your annoyance.

I have never had a problem mailing to the address in the supplied Reply-To:
line - although I have seen headers from someone else where infoserv and
someone's site were bouncing everything back and forth for a while until
they gave up - but that was quite a while ago.

although the Message-ID problem was legitimate, any software which looked at
the From: line with a Reply-To: there was not conformant anyway.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
From: August.Abolins%f115.n514.z17@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Scheduled Events That Tak
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:37:00 GMT


      <> On 01-21-93, at approximately 7:39am,
      <> ** N.t.k.c.d. *** and said... (to All)

*N>From: hho@phakt.usc.edu (** N.T.K.C.D. ***)

*N>I used to run a BBS with a ZOOM modem with its hardware message.
*N>I can program the modem to automatically connect and print out
*N>a message then disconnect :-)))

NICE!  Why couldn't *that* be a standard feature in every modem?

 * DeLuxe2 1.25 #10137 * --------------------[ abolins@visavis.cam.org ]---

 * Origin: VIS-a-VIS Communications [Ont+Que] (17:514/115.0)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Scheduled Events That Tak
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:13:12 GMT

August.Abolins%f115.n514.z17@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:


>*N>I used to run a BBS with a ZOOM modem with its hardware message.
>*N>I can program the modem to automatically connect and print out
>*N>a message then disconnect :-)))

>NICE!  Why couldn't *that* be a standard feature in every modem?

Try: ECHO "Cute Message Goes Here" > COM2

They TYPE command may work, as well, replacing " ... " with a
filename.  Or set up Waffle and copy a special welcome file
into place; a new environment variable could be set to a
nologin static file.  Splash the welcome and hang up.  Be
prepared for your LD callers to get torqued.  Actually, I think
the entry file might be the one...

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