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From: milewski@oregon.uoregon.edu (Steve Milewski)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Yakimas on PU canopies
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:30:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Jul21.153054.29220
Organization: University of Oregon

I'm shopping for a canopy for my pickup and would like to utilize my gutter
mount Yakima Tower rack. I know that Yakima makes a pseudo gutter (as does
Kwik Rail) to use in attaching tha racks to a canopy.

I'd like to attach it to one of those fiberglass canopies (like a Brahma
or Navajo) with the high rise in the back for extended headroom. However,
 everyone tells me that the wind drag from 2 mountain bikes mounted on
one of the fiberglass shells is not a smart idea. My only recourse is a
cab height Gem Top steel canopy.

Does anyone on the net have any experience (negative and/or positive) with
fiberglass or plastic canopies and bike racks?

Thanks,
Steve
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 'Orbital' gearing system?
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:34:48 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Jul21.122255.22537@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen) writes:
>
>I believe that a variation on this idea has actually been used to
>construct an automatic gear system for bicycles! I think it worked by
>making the mechanism mentioned in part 3) above responsive to the
>centripetal force exerted by the chain, so the cogs move in and out
>automatically to maintain the same torque on the crank. I suppose just
>spring-loading the cogs on their radial slots would do it in theory,
>although I've no doubt the mechanics would be tricky.
>
>How about that - an automatic bike :-)

All the ideas I've seen on these lines suffer from one major flaw.
There are times when you not only want, but NEED, to be able to push
hard in a high-ish gear.  These usually occur on occasions when you
need a sudden extra burst of speed to avoid being mashed by a car, and
the last thing you want in those circumstances is for your transmission
to decide you're pushing too hard, and so it's going to be kind and
downshift for you.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Drivers who just miss
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:00:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I'm willing to go so far as to agree that it wasn't an "accident"
in the real sense of the word. Reckless endangerment certainly 
fills the bill here. But I'm sure the jackass didn't mean to, nor
wanted to, hit, injure or otherwise bother the cyclist.

But this guy is STUPID! If he had called the police and reported
the accident and lied just a little ("Man, he was coming out of no-where")
he would have gotten off scott free.

The only reason he's in BIG trouble now is because of hit and run,
not because he actually hit the bicyclist.

As for those narrow misses: I have thought about this alot. I notice
that the biggest majority of these cases are women drivers. I'm certain
that they don't fell any particular hatred for bicyclists.

I think what's going on is that they _look_ at you in an attempt
to miss you and just like they say -- look where you want to go.
So they drive to miss you and _just_ manage to do so. If they would look
at the centerline they would give you plenty of room.
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:34:51 GMT

Tom Kunich writes:

< It just so happens that I have seen three cases of what he
< described and they all occurred after the spokes had been overtensioned.

< Now, there may be something to your anodizing theory. Perhaps
< the longitudinal cracks start via some flaws in the anodizing layer.
< I don't know about that. However, I'm sure that the trouble starts
< with overtensioning.

As I said earlier, how do you arrive upon these conclusions?  What makes
you think that there must be flaws to initiate cracks when the anodized
crust is porous and brittle as it can get.  It is also extremely hard.
Any bending of the surface, like riveting spoke eyelets or tensioning a
spoke cause sufficient bending to craze the surface.  When riding, the
spokes are repeatedly changing their tension as the load affects the
rolling wheel.  These oscillating stress cycles flex the metal of the
rim, opening and closing these micro cracks, ultimately propagating
then into the metal.  If the load is sufficiently large the cracks will
and do cause rim failure.

What makes you sure "the trouble starts with overtensioning" and how do
you know that the wheels you build are too loose, just right, or too
tight?

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Trip Report (Was: Re: Need Help, Deraileur problems!)
Summary: Jobst is back but tardy
Keywords: trip report
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:10:59 GMT

In article <9207202305.AA03680@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>
BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com writes: 

>This sounds more like a new chain on an old sprocket than anything
>else. ...

>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Welcome back, Jobst.

Now where is your trip report.  No more techno expert postings until
that report is filed.

-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:07:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

The typical hub/rim is 36 spokes. Half of that is 18.
18 is _not_ evenly divisable by 4. :-) Nice try though.
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Spontaneous blow-outs
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:33:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I find that there are two different problems with rim tape.

If you have a flat rim where the nipples stick up slightly into
the  tube area, the many available rubber strips and tapes work
fine. I even prefer the rubber strips because they never wear out
if you use them correctly.

However, if you are using a rim with recessed nipples -- those with
double walls or aero rims etc. the tape needs more strength than
most of the rim strips have. The only thing that has been
completely sucessful for me is Velex and I recommend it over
everything else for these sorts of rims.
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Fat Tire Festival
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:07:28 GMT

In article <9207231603.AA24426@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes:
>
> Can someone supply me some information with some information on the Moab
> Fat Tire festival held during Halloween week.

I believe it will be held from October 27th through 31. Call information
at (801) 555-1212 and get the number for Rim Cyclery in Moab. They will
put you on a mailing list and get the registration, ride info, and
activities info to you when they get it together. My dad checked with
them a couple of weeks ago and they weren't ready yet.

  --scott

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Robert Busch)
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:40:32 GMT

 
>I think this is worth pursuing so that Arrya doesn't end up short from third
                                        ^^^^^
>hand stories.  If you have other information please let's hear it.
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Excuse me, but are we talking about Arrya rims (I've never heard of
these), or Araya rims? We should make this very clear so that Araya
"doesn't end up short from third-hand stories" -- especially stories
about products that they don't even make!

I have no personal experiences with Araya; I just want to get this
name thing straight.

Win awards,

Bob.    <rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca>
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cannondale Prices ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:34:44 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

wismer@cfruni51.bitnet (Wismer Daniel  Uni Fribourg) writes:

>I am very interested in Cannondale R700 or R800.
>Could someone tell me what they cost (suggested retail, best offer,
>least expensive places)?  

Actually, could someone post the whole pricelist?  I don't know where to get
the catalogue, otherwise.  [Of course, if someone points out that I can get
one at the store where I bought my SR500 a few years ago, I might just trek
over there and snag one]

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic Coverage SUCKS!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:03:14 GMT

In article <khaw.712427035@parcplace.com> khaw@parcplace.com (Mike Khaw) writes:
>For a diametrically opposed review, see the San Jose Mercury, July 29,
>which heaps opprobium on NBC for being *overly* "up close, and
>personal" to the point of being "maudlin" at the expense of actual
>sports coverage. And this is from one of the 2 regular Mercury TV
>critics (not the infamous Mark Purdy of "manly men don't wear skin
>tight shorts in rush hour Santa Monica freeway traffic").

The LA Times TV critic, Howard Rosenberg, really ripped on NBC for the
Sunday night coverage in today's paper:

"NBC's prime-time string-along string-along was especially infuriating
Sunday night when it turned its telecast of the women's road racing
into a manipulative marathon."

He then went on to rip on NBC for the way they said they'd be "right back"
after some commercials and spent 20 minutes away from the race for Dick
Enberg's "Moments", followed by more commericals, local news, more 
commercials, ...


Mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,kingston.general
From: colley@qucis.queensu.ca (Paul Colley)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Followup-To: ont.general
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:14:23 GMT

In article <30lmd4n.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
writes:

>Though I don't see anything seriously 'wrong' with someone that 
>doesn't even have a drivers license. :-)

Thank you.

>I can think of many things that could qualify as an emergency to
>me that wouldn't cause me to ask my neighbor to drive me somewhere.
>
>Having your girlfriend call up and tell you she was out of gas in
>the nasty part of town 20 miles away from you might lead you to
>use a car instead of your bike.

Use what car?

Underlying assumption:  You own/share a car.

OF COURSE, if you have a car, you should have a driver's license (or sell
the car).

If you don't have a car, then it is perfectly sane to not have a license.

(A more subtle assumption:  That there's parts of town 20 miles away.
Smaller cities make bicycling look more attractive than they might be
in Toronto).

>The man was correct. Transportation is a matter of using the most
>effective and efficient options. Automobiles are the most effective
>in many instances.

This is not an argument for having a driver's license unless you also
have a car to drive.

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
"Quantum Mechanics:  The dreams stuff is made of"    - Ken Burnside

(Followups directed to ont.general, because this really has little to
do with rec.bicycles)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Subject: Re: centuries
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:36:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.212135.6700@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.171835.2561@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
>mcclella@yertle.Colorado.EDU (Gary McClelland) hill and dales us:
>>Colorado is almost 4000 feet. ...The Flint Hills are beautiful
>>rolling hills in the central part of the state. ...

>An ASCII contour-profile map of Kansas after the above rendition.
>            /\/\
>           /    \
>          /      \                
>         /        \               O  O
>Colorado/          \_____________/ \/ \______________^^^_Missouri
>                             (Flint Hills)

Nice ASCII work there, Sam, but I think you are giving Kansas more 
credit than it is due.

I have traversed Kansas many times, mostly on I-35 and the Kansas
Turnpike.  I believe this is truly a case where beauty is in the 
eye of the beholder.  I am always alerted to the existence of the 
"scenic" Flint Hills by a conspicuous sign along the freeway, 
notifying me:
                 Scenic Flint Hills
                  Next 31 Miles

I am ever thankful that they remind me that the area is "scenic".
It is all relative, I guess, but I find the most exciting sight
to be the cattle pen between Emporia and Wichita.  Maybe one of
these times, when I am on my way through, I will even see some cattle. 

Now, don't get me wrong.  I don't claim that the area around Texas A&M
is beautiful, or even scenic.  Fairly flat, yes.

P.S.  What is a tree?

Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89            glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu (VMS on VAX 9000)
Aero Engr  Texas A&M Univ.           gordon@aero.tamu.edu (D. U. on S. C.)
Oh well, some people can flame in a nitrogen environment.--Les Earnest
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pauls@bigheavywood.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: dish on 7-speed vs. 6-speed rear wheels
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:56:02 GMT

In article <70323@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
> Can anyone tell me whether a "normal" 126mm hub spaced for an  
ultra-seven
> freewheel requires more or less dish than a "normal" 121 (or 120)mm hub
> spaced for an ultra-six freewheel?  I guess it boils down to whether  
that
> extra cog is more or less than 3mm wide.


Should be about the same.  But if you were to convert that 121mm hub to a  
126mm (with the ultra-6 FW as before) by adding the extra 5mm to the  
non-drive side, you can bring dish down to virtually nil.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss)
Subject: Re: airplanes and bicycles
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:22:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.213758.27307@athena.mit.edu> karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath) writes:
>
>Just one question about this USCF membership and free bike transport
>on airlines.  Some, or all airlines seem  to make the restriction
>that you must be traveling to a USCF or similar race for your bike to 
>travel for free.  
>
>(1) Do they enforce this (do they ask?)
>(2) If they do, how do I find out about possible races in the
>    areas I'm traveling to?  I'm not plugged into any racing
>    clubs or publications.
>
>Karen Walrath
>MIT
>karen@mit.edu

Another question:  What's the membership fee for USCF?  With
the RT bike transport fee at $90, it might be worth it to
join.

Of course, this begins to look like abuse of a privilege
that presumeably hard-working USCFers arranged, and maybe
not the most ethical way to go.  Wouldn't want abuse of
the policy to mess it up for the people who went to the
trouble of arranging it.

Maybe a better response would be to find out how this particular
deal was arranged, and then try to work something out for
non-UCSF riders through another organization or bike-advocacy
effort.  BikeCenntennial and LAW come to mind.  Is there any 
way to put pressure on the airlines to drop or reduce the fee, 
in the interest of public-mindedness, i.e., as part of a larger 
push to encourage bicycle-riding instead of car-driving?

Hmm...

Kathryn
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bilbo@bisco.kodak.com (Charles Tryon)
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company; Rochester, NY
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:40:42 GMT


In article <25JUL92141216@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu writes:
> rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) writes...
>>  ...
>>Also, I have a cheap Cycle-Pro trueing stand (given to me by my
>>father).  Will this be adequate?
>
>   If you get good at truing your wheels, it can be done while they're on the
>bike.  ...

  I've BUILT wheels using only the bike, hung from the ceiling, and
  Jobst's book.  Like you say, it's not easy, but it can be done.  I
  centered the rim by flipping the wheel around backwards in the dropouts
  and checking for left-right shift.  It works.

>   My advice: To learn how to true wheels, get as much reference material
>as you can, read it all, buy a garage sale bike for 20 bucks, (with steel
>rims, they're much more forgiving), and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!
>Within no-time you'll have the hang of it, and soon be able to charge
>yer buds, to true their wheels, too!

  My only disagreement here would be to start learning on a wheel which
  is already in fairly good condition.  It is REAL frustrating to try to
  true an old, bent, steel rim, especially if the spoke nipples have
  seized up.  Don't be afraid to buy an inexpensive Al rim and build up a
  wheel with it.  (I like the tape-new-rim-to-old-and-transfer-spokes
  method ;-)  It's not as hard as you might think!

>   Have fun.

  There's something special about riding on a wheel you've built with your
  own hands.

  (Now all I have to do is learn how to build my own frame.)



--
Chuck Tryon
    bilbo@bisco.kodak.com                                 B. Baggins
    <<Kodak pays me to write systems, not opinions!>>     At Your Service
 ____________________________________________________________________
   REAL Bicyclists don't take abuse from motorists, they drop them.
                                          -- Dan Mocsny
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:16:52 GMT

In <1992Jul25.235703.17521@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:


>But, of course you're right; no information has been posted to warrant
>the conclusion "CLEARLY".  No massive number of kneejerk emotional
>hype will change the law as pertains to this unfortunate accident.

I hope you're joking.  Can someone tell me exactly how this was an
"accident"?  In the orginal sense of the word "something that is
unexpected and unintended", not the media sense "a deliberate criminal
act by a motorist that we want to trivialize".  Crossing a centerline
is an accident?  Going back to view the victim is an accident?

>-- 
><> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
><>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
><> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
><>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks                     <>
--
--------
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Is it ok to soak cluster in gasoline?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:22:22 GMT
	<1682D7911.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: Dept. of Infomation Science, University of Tokyo.

In article <1682D7911.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:

 >  ...and do it OUTDOORS! Yeah, *you* know, but a lot of people don't.
 >A friend in the military demolition business told me of a film he once
 >saw in which a cup of gasoline was placed in the second story of an old
 >house, and a lit candle placed on the ground floor. After a moderate
 >delay, BOOM. Blew the entire house apart. Impressive, eh?

Wow!  Cool!  I used to clean my chain etc inside with gas all the
time.  Just a hint, don't try to put the gas in a styrofoam cup!
sorta makes a mess.  Guess I shouldn't mention the part about drying
the chain in the oven huh?  Or the fire department?

Seriously though, nothing actaully blew up or caught fire.  (I was
young and into petrochemicals) I would stay away from gas and similar
short-chain (no pun intended) hydrocarbon substances.  Unless you
rinse them *really* well, they leave traces that just breakdown your
lub as soon as you put it on.
--
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From: 34LI6RE@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Burley Bike Cart for Kids
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:26:30 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

Please excuse if this is a FAQ.  My neighbor (without net access) is
looking for a used Burley Bike Cart to pull her son behind her bike,
with a canopy.  Does anyone have one out there that would be interested
in selling it?  E-mail direct to me and I'll pass on the info.

Thanks.

Holly Whitehead
Central Michigan University
34li6re@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
From: hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour de France:  Andy Hampsten?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:30:42 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <1992Jul21.162937.5274@speedy.aero.org> Shadan M. Ardalan writes:
>
>Did anyone out there notice Andy's bike?
>I could swear it looked like that he was using the STI brake/shift lever for 
>the rear, but he had a standard aero brake lever for the front.....
>If anyone has the ESPN coverage on tape, maybe you could confirm what I think
>I saw....it just looked kinda strange....
>
>Shadan
>

As I recall, a recent VeloNews contains a picture of Andy climbing
in the latest Giro with exactly the setup you describe.  Perhaps it's
a weight thing, and Andy decided that STI front shifts aren't worth
the extra grams.  It's probably pretty nice to be able to shift the
rear derailleur without messing up your climbing rhythm, though.
   And the same issue of VeloNews also features some excellent pictures
of the radical wheels of Miguel Indurain (mentioned in the latest issue
in the article by Allan Peiper).  Indurain uses bladed spokes, radial
in front, radial in back on the left side, and one-cross (I think) in
back on the right.  He also uses Mavic ceramic rims.

Bruce Hoppe
hoppe@cs.cornell.edu
From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RACE: Aggie Time Trial '92 (Texas, Oct. 10, 1992)
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:33:43 GMT
Expires: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: A&M Cycling Team, Texas A&M University, College Sta., Tex., USA

The A&M Cycling Team will be holding a 40 km individual time trial in College
Station, Texas, on Saturday, October 10, 1992.  The event will be a combined
USCF and NCCA (Collegiate) event.  The race will include divisions for all
categories of USCF racers as well as for non-licensed citizen racers.

The promoter for this race is Rodney G. Bowden at (409) 764-0546.  USCF per-
mit pending.  Venue selection and prize list will be shown in the official
race announcement.
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas
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