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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar,sci.electronics,rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sovtek tubes
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:12:42 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
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In article <Bz4E8G.FAM@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> rblander@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Robyn Landers) writes:
>In article <Bywoy0.GFM@cup.hp.com> balon@cup.hp.com (Tom Balon) writes:
>>	The Sovtek 5881 is great tube. [...]
>>	About the only other 6L6 tube
>>	I've used that's as good are the old American made Slyvania or RCA's.
>>	Phillips ECG also makes a decent 6L6.  These are much harder to find
>>	and cost big $$$. 
>
>    My reference materials agree with this.

Umm... let me point out that the Sovtek 5881 is okay for any application
with a 6L6 or 6L6G, but if you have a 6L6GC it's possible that your circuit
may exceed the ratings for the 5881.  Only one way to find out, though.


>>	[I discurage the use of Chineese power tubes.]
>
>    My reference materials agree here too with one exception noted later.
>The EL34s are horrible.  "Firecrackers".  When I last spoke with a MESA
>tech, he told me not to buy MESA EL34s because they're Chinese and are
>not very good.  The exception is 12AX7.  MESA has used Chinese ones for
>many years and they sound great to me.  Physical construction details
>are very obvious and distinctive.

The 12AX7 isn't a power tube, and I am happier with the Soviet ones than
the Chinese ones.  The Chinese EL34s are junk, and their KT88s are even
worse.  (Actually, the Chinese KT88 tubes are okay if you are running
around 50mA plate current, but put them into something like a Citation II
and you'll find the plates glowing cherry red.)  These are all made at
the Shugang Valve Works.

>>	I've used a dozen or so Sovtek 12AX7's with good results. I'm not
>>	sure if they are as good as the El brand Yugoslovian 12AX7. 
>
>    My reference material says the EI Yugo EL34s are very poor.
>The East German Siemens brand (relabelled as National among others) EL34
>sounds great in Marshalls and is probably the best bet for guitar amps.

The Siemens EL34s meet the specs in the manual, which is more than I can
say for the Yugoslavian ones.  On the other hand, a lot of other tubes
made at the same factory are great, like the KT90s for instance.

>>	As far as EL84's, once again the US made Sylvania's were great but
>>	are scarce. The Sovtek is an exellent choice. 
>
>    Agreed, by personal experience with Sylvania vs other domestic brands.
>Sovtek gets great review in the book I have.

Actually, I would avoid the Sylvania and International Servicemaster brands;
the later Sylvanias were made in Korea and vary from excellent to dreadful.
--scott
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From: rblander@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Robyn Landers)
Subject: Re: blue tubes (biasing)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:39:09 GMT

In article <BywqHB.IAq@cup.hp.com> balon@cup.hp.com (Tom Balon) writes:
>
>	There is a procedure outlined in the TUBE AMP BOOK by Aspen Pittman
>	for biasing an amp. Some folks dispute this procedure others swear
>	by it. The problem with bias adjustments is that a lot of old Fenders
>	like the Deluxes, Princeton's ... used a fixed bias scheme. When
>	I repair or rebuild these, I usually install a new adjustable bias
>	supply. 

    Current edition of Canadian Musician magazine has a review of
the MESA Dual Rectifier in which Randall Smith explains (in part)
why he uses non-adjustable bias circuit.

>	Here's basic the procedure as from the Pittman Book as I remember it:
    [...]
>	6] While watching the scope, decrease the bias voltage (make it more
>	    positive) just until the crossover distortion goes away. At
>	    this point the amp will be biased properly ACCORDING TO PITTMAN.

    Since Tom has introduced the notion that some people dispute
this method, I'll post the reason for it, and some alternatives.
Note I am not criticizing Tom:  he used disclaimers, and I'm merely
expanding on the ideas.  Thanks, Tom, for lots of good stuff you've posted.

    The crossover notch method is criticized because it is so subjective.
Judging a waveform by eye on a scope is a pretty subjective thing,
and you're likely to get different results each time you do it.
Also it often results in overbiasing which gets worse as the tubes age.
No high-end audiophile tube amps use this method.

    One alternative is the voltage measurement system.  You measure
bias voltage at the tube and adjust to a specified value.  (See old
MESA brochures where in the tube section they say things like
"Check bias -34V for Marshall, -42 volts for..." for example.)
This is pretty easy.

    A third alternative is current measurement system.  This is not
so easy.  You unsolder centre tap of output transformer and put an
ammeter in series to voltage source.  Divide by number of power tubes
to get current per tube.   Safe operational range is typically
10 to 40 milliamps per tube.  Any setting in that range is okay to use.
Just pick what sounds good.  This applies to most common power tubes.

    To avoid unsoldering centre tap of output xformer, put positive
probe of meter on that tap, and negative probe on plate pin of an
output tube.  This shows current of 1/2 the primary, for one tube.  
Keeping in mind the 10 to 40 range, multiply desired current per tube 
by number of tubes.  Divide by two (because of 1/2 the primary.)  Adjust 
to get resulting current.  (E.g. 100 watt marshall has 4 tubes. Say you want
25 milliamps per tube.  So 25 * 4 = 100.  100 / 2 = 50.  Adjust so
ammeter says 50.)

    This current measurement approach applies to most common amp
designs, but not to all amp designs.

    Reference material:  Ken Fischer, Trainwreck Amps.



-----
Robyn Landers
rblanders@math.uwaterloo.ca
	"I'm just doing my rock'n'roll duty." -- Dubois

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Tube Amp: Peavey Bravo
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:26:12 GMT

I'm considering buying the Peavey Bravo (110?) because it seems to be an
inexpensive way to get a tube amp, about $250.  I was considering the Peavey
Classic 20 but I've yet to see it sold anywhere.  My question is, I would be
selling my old Peavey solid state amp and I was concerned that I might not be
up to the financial and electronics requirement that owning a tube amp seems to
bring.  First, how often can I expect to replace tubes.  Won't I have to
replace them all at once if one goes.  If one does go, what is the likelyhood
that it will take the amp with it.  The Bravo amp uses EL84's which I haven't
seen in mail order catalogs I have but from another person's post I guess they
are available, any thoughts?  The amp doesn't have a standby switch as far as I
know so is it alright to just turn it on and play for five minutes alot.  How
much can I expect to pay to have the amp biased.  Will I only have to have it
biased when I change tube types or Brand Names.  In other words if I only use
Groove Tubes for example will I not have to have it rebiased.  How about
traveling with it.  I don't plan on taking it out much but if I do, will it
suffer some major breakdown If it gets a little jostled on a car seat.  I know
almost nothing about tube amps so what I know might be more myth than fact.  

Any thoughts on the Bravo by people who have played/owned one?  It seems to
have won Amp of The Year last year.  



********************************************************************************
"The blues is a low down achein' chill"  Robert Johnson
 and so is my apartment right now. 
********************************************************************************

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: dnj@barbeque.verity.com (Dave Johansen)
Subject: Re: strat hard case question
Reply-To: dnj@barbeque.verity.com (Dave Johansen)
Organization: Verity, Inc.  1550 Plymouth Ave, Mt. View, CA 94043
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:58:51 GMT
Keywords: strat


the angle that the hole that has been drilled into the tailblock
allows you to rotate the arm to approximately to where the jackplate 
located... at that point you can close your case safely with the
trem arm still attached... This is provided that you have the trem block
set reasonably close to flat in relation to the top of the guitar..

I've been doing this for years with no problems...
-dnj

PS... that little spring provides tension on the arm so it will 
have some resistance when turned, so it just doesn't dangle around...

They usually get lost after the first week or two!! ;-)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lotus )
Subject: First guitar reccomandations
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:31:53 GMT

I am a singer in a band, and would like to purchase a guitar that I can compose
with.  Of course, I would also like to learn to play the sucker, and don't just
want a 'beginners' guitar.  I would like to make this a long-term investment.  
I will consider the used alternative, but I prefer new guitars, since you never
know what a used anything has been through.  I tend to like a blues/straight
old fashioned rock sound, and would like to keep the cost as low as possible, of
course (under 400 to be sure, lower if possible.)

Given those criteria, what would you reccomend?
Thanks in advance,

______________
Matt Ivaliotes				a.k.a. Lotus
ivaliote@ux1				lotus@uiuc
From: mortense@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Alvin Nor Mortensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners
Date: 19 Dec 1992 12:26:30 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

dnj@barbeque.verity.com (Dave Johansen) writes:

...

>> standard? If not, what size do I need? What's a fair price for a set of
>> Sperzels?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Taka Mizutani
>> MIZUTANT@fred.wharton.upenn.edu

Carvin has these about as cheap as anywhere else I've seen. Their prices are
	chrome - $49
	black  - $54
        gold   - $59
The phone number is 1-800-845-2235. Have fun.

nam

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: REQ: How do you "fix" fret buzz?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:28:25 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Dec15.154431.62059@cc.usu.edu> slqmr@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>	I'm getting some serious fret buzz off my acoustic and now its starting
>on my electric too. How do you remedy this?

    You either need to adjust the neck or get the frets ground.  Look
carefully at the frets where the buzzes occur to see if there are little
depressions worn where the string hits the fret (I doubt that this is the
problem).  More likely, you need to straighten the neck.  It's best to find
someone who's done this before to help you.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Flanger pedal help
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:00:50 GMT

In article <1gnvlaINNc45@hpscit.sc.hp.com> brett@sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver) writes:
>Also, what I really want is a chorus effect.  I know that chorus and flange
>are similar.  Can someone suggest settings for the BF-2 that would get it as
>close to a 'normal' chorus effect as possible?

To get a flanger to sound like a chorus, reduce the depth and increase
the rate.  I don't have the manual, so you have as good an idea as I
what the controls do.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                   PictureTel Corp. (so there!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: fprince@cwis.unomaha.edu (Frank E. Prince)
Subject: Re: Let It Ride
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:23:34 GMT

dpm@msc.edu  writes:
> Hello, do any of you know the chord changes for Bachman Turner Overdrives's
> "Let It Ride" ?  If so, please post or email me.  Thanks!!
> 
> -Dave Mottaz    dpm@msc.edu
>  Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       I jumped up on the platform, the man gave me the news
>       He said "you must be joking, son.  Where *did* you get those shoes?"
> 
>       -D. Fagen
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, if anyone has these chords, please post them. I'd appreciate it.
				Thanks,
					Frank
From: holtslander@skyfox
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: RE: Environmentally safe slide guitar. . .
Date: 16 DEC 92 20:49:15 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca

My cheap slide is not a bottleneck but a 5/8 inch spark plug socket I bouhgt
at a pawn shop for two bits.  It fits really snugly on my pinky, much better
than the expensive metal slide I bought at a music store which would fly
off my finger when I started playing the fast stuff.  I used to have a
really thick glass slide bought at this tiny obscure little music store
somewhere in Montreal, but alas after many years it broke (A friend I was
teaching dropped it[I said "Oh don't worry its really old" as my heart dropped
into my stomach] don't want to loose another favorite so I quit using glass,
I've had my steel socket for 6 years now.  Funny how you get so emotionally
attatched to your guitar gear (My wife asks? "If there was a fire would you
save me or your guitar (a Dobro) first"?
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: META <META@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Blues radio shows
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:34:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.153345.10925@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com> mongeau@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com (Mike Mongeau) writes:
>I'm trying to put together a list of Blues radio shows across the country.
>If you know of any Blues shows in your area, please email to me the
>specifics and I will post the list at a later date.   Here is an example
>of the format I am using:
>
>City             Station/Freq  Day/Time          Show
>-------          ------------  ------------      ------------------
>Boston, MA        WGBH  89.7   Fri 9pm-1am      "Blues After Hours"
>                               Sat 8-9pm        "NPR's BluesStage"
>                               Sat 9pm-1am      "Blues After Hours"
>                  WERS  89.9   Mon-Fri 11pm-2am "Bluesology"
>
>Worcester, MA     WICN  90.5   Thu 8-10pm       "Blues On The Ceiling"
>                  WCUW  91.3   Fri-Sat 6-9pm    "Blues Hits Big Town"
>
>Thanks !
>
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                    "Saved by the Blues..."
>      Mike Mongeau                        Raytheon Equipment Division
>      mongeau@tif162.ed.ray.com                          Marlboro, MA
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>.
>.
Saturday Night Blues on CBC-AM runs Saturday nights (oddly enough) for
2 hours, usually 11:pm to 1:am , depending on where you live.  Look for
the CBC-AM station nearest you, anywhere in Canada.  In some cases, I
suspect that it may be broadcast on CBC-FM stereo.  The host is Holger
Petersen, the prez of Stony Plain Records in Edmonton.  A fine mix of
blues forms, old and new, from 40's jump music to 90's zydeco, and
everything in between.

Mark Hammer

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: mkuinder@cape.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Kuindersma)
Subject: Re: Fender 210
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:04:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.180602.2542@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> fredh@cv.hp.com (Fred Handloser) writes:
>Mike Kuindersma (mkuinder@cape.UWaterloo.ca) wrote:
                                    
 [my description of the Fender 210 deleted]
 
>What is channel switching?  I've heard the term here a lot but
>don't really know what it means.
>
>Is this Fender 210 a new amp or some older not well known amp?
>
>  --------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Fred Handloser
>  Corvallis, Oregon
>  fredh@cv.hp.com   


  Sometimes a pre-amp section has two separate channels - one is clean, 
the other has distortion.  Some pre-amps have a jack on the back that
connects to a foot switch that can be used to switch between the two
channels.  So you're playing on the clean channel for the rhythm part,    
then you want to play the lead, so you hit the footswitch - viola!  You
are now playing through the `lead' or `distortion' channel.
 
  You also echoed my original question wrt the Fender 210.  I want to know
if it's new or old or just what other people call it.
 
  ----- Mike Kuindersma
-- 
*************************************************************************
*  mkuinder@cape.UWaterloo.ca  * Opinions expressed are not those of UW *
*************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: db@seachg.uucp (David Bell)
Subject: Re: Fender 210
Reply-To: db@seachg.UUCP (David Bell)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.001437.22025@ncsu.edu> npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART) writes:
>
>Fender has made several amps over the years available in different speaker
>configurations.  I can't think of a 210 right now, but I'd be suprised if they
>didn't have one.  I really don't think this is old though.  First, channel
>switching is a fairly recent thing - on the time scale we use in Fenderology.
>Second, old multichannel Fenders usually had two clean channels.  Third, I've 
>never heard of a model called 'the 210.'  
>
[ stuff deleted ]

The 210 is a recent addition to the 'super 60' series . As far as I know,
it has the same electronics as the 'super 60', but comes with 2 10"
speakers instead of one 12". The basic specs from memory are: all tube
circuitry, channel switching (two channels, one clean, one overdrive),
reverb, 60 watts rms. Probably has an effects loop, but I don't remember.

-- 
Dave Bell

Sea Change Corporation        
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada    
...!uunet!uunet.ca!seachg!db   
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From: US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: Fender 210
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:38:21 CST

In article <Bz3MKy.LsE@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
mkuinder@cape.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Kuindersma) writes:
 
>  While shopping for a new guitar combo unit, my buddy and I stumbled across
>something called a Fender 210.  It's a tube amplifier combo with (you guessed
>it) two 10" speakers.  It has channel switching and (if I remember correctly)
>a quite nice reverb effect.
>
>  I've never heard mention of a Fender 210 here on the net.  I've heard of
>the Twin, the Tweed and so on, but never the 210.  What do you folks call it?
>
>  BTW, we found that the 210 had just the kind of sound we're looking for - a
>nice, warm, tubey distortion sound that's easy to control with dynamics... and
>the clean channel is mighty fine as well.
 
      The 210 is a Super 60 with 2 10s.  Fender is also making a Super 60
      in a larger cabinet with 1 12.  I guess the larger cabinet is supposed
      to change the tone somewhat.
 
      Super 60 is a 60-watt tube amp with channel switching.  I believe it
      has reverb and an effects loop.  The Super 60 has been out for about
      8 or 9 years.
 
      mikejames (US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:36:46 EST
From: thomas j dominiecki <TJD109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: TAB: Foreplay/BOSTON

The tab for "Long Time" is in GFTPM, so I figured I'd give my version of its
intro...


After the keyboards...


E-------------    -------------------------------------------------------------
B-------------    -------------------------------------------------------------
G-------------    -------------------------------------3--5--------------------
D---3--3--3---    ---3--5--6--5--3------------5--6--3--1--3-----3--5--3--5-----
A---1--1--1---    ---1--3--4--3--1--6--5--3---3--4--1-----------1--3--1--3-----
E-------------    ------------------4--3--1------------------------------------



E---------------------------------------            ---------------------
B---------------------------------------     Repeat ---------------------
G---------------------------------------     four   ---------------------then
D---6-----6--------------6--8--10---3---     times: ------6--------------
A---4--6--4--6--8--3--4--4--6--8----1---            --6---4---6---8------
E------4-----4--6--1--2-----------------            --4-------4---6------



E-------------------------            --------------------8--sl->13------------
B-------------------------  repeat    ----------------------------------8(tr.)-
G----------3--5-5-5-5-----  again,    ---5------5----5-------------------------
D----------1--3-3-3-3--3--  then:     ---3------3----3-------------------------
A---6--4---------------1-- (during    -----------------------------------------
E---4--2------------------  cymbals)  -----------------------------------------


Man, I hope this is right.
Does this help?  I'm confused just writing it.  Good luck.  Again, if anyone
could send this to James at nevada, I'd appreciate it.

Tomdom!
Civil Engineering
The Pennsylvania State University
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Subject: Req : Anything by Janis Joplin
From: HCHA8904593X@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (PERRETT, ANDREW)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:41:38 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

If somebody has some Janis music they could send i would appreciate it
From: DMALZAHN@HARPERVM.BITNET (Don Malzahn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: Re: The Lumberjack Song
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:46:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: HARPERVM.92345.104642DMALZAHN
 <BywpoG.BAI@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <1992Dec8.072024.14476@Princeton.EDU>
Distribution: rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067

I alwats meant to try and write out "I like Chinese". Hope somebody has,
I'd be interested.
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature:637 alt.guitar.tab:4521
From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ: Whenever I See Your Smiling Face (James Taylor)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:31:25 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

I'm not sure I've got the name right, but the song goes:  "Whenever I see
your smilin' face I have to smile myself, because I love you, yes I do.
When you give me that pretty little pout it turns me inside out ..."

By James Taylor, of course.  If anybody has the chords, I'd be grateful
to have them either posted here or e-mailed to me.

Thanks!

-- Bruce Tiffany
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From: gsell@floreal.ibp.fr (GSELL Benjamin)
Subject: FTP sites
Organization: Universite PARIS 7 - UFR d'Informatique
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:12:19 GMT

 I would be grateful if someone could post other FTP id than PTP.nevada
where i would be able to find more and more tablature but also music
transcription for synth.
      
              Ben Gsell
              Paris, France 
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From: mainglet@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: John Lennon - So This is Christmas
Keywords: John Lennon - So This is Christmas
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:18:41 GMT

Merry Christmas all ...
and keep those Christmas tunes coming! Especially, any Blues and R&B
Christmas/seasonal music.

At the moment I'm looking for lyrics/tab for John Lennon "So This is
Christmas".  Can anybody out there help? 

Thanks,
Marg
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