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From: rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz)
Subject: Re: What so great about Martin guitar ?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:33:53 GMT

pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen) writes:

>>This is true, the HD-28 I bought lists for $400 more than the D-28 and the 
>>only difference between the two, that I am aware of, is the herringbone trim
>>around the edge of the guitar.  

>	In HD-28 there is also scalloped bracing, which has an effect
>	to guitar's responsiveness, as far as I'm concerned.

When I posted about the $$$ being related to the more ornate trim, I wasn't
really thinking of the H models.  I was thinking of the 45s.  Herringbone
trim is pre-manufactured into strips, so it doen't take a whole lot of 
time to put in.  The hand inlay on the higher models can take up to two
days.

The HD-28 is priced higher than the D-28 because they use higher grade
materials, and they take greater care with the bracing and joinery.  Remember 
that more wood must be routed from the top on the H model to make room for the
inlay on the H than for the purfling on the regular model.  This could weaken
the top or the join to the sides if not done with great care.  

Somebody mentioned the maple "bridge plate".  Were you talking about the
piece I just call the "bridge", which is on the outside of the top and
supports the saddle, or to the thin reinforcing piece that is on the inside 
of the top just underneath.  I could be easily be wrong, but I thought that
all Martin bridges and fingerboards matched for any model, and that they
were either ebony on 28s and above, or rosewood on 18s (except for customs).

(apologies for waiting over a week to re-join this thread.  I've been away
for a while.)

-rich

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From: v125njuc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DA BIG FAT FUNKY BUTT-GROOVE)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: trems questions
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I need some info on the following tremelo things,
Washburn torsion bar tremelo, mosrite/mosley tremelo, and fender
jaquar/jazzmaster tremelo.

I need to know if they mount on top of a solid body guitar
( no whole necessary).  where I can get one, how good they are 
(what they are good for), and a price estimate - if you have one
to sell, speak up.

thanks,
Rich
v125njuc@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

"once your dead, you've got it made" 
                                     - Jimi Hendrix
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: CHORDS!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:07:27 GMT

In article <32323@darkstar.ucsc.edu> indigo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Adam Schneider) writes:
>
>In <1992Apr7.215507.5204@ms.uky.edu> aash@ms.uky.edu (aash) writes:
>>In article <32288@darkstar.ucsc.edu> indigo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Adam Schneider) writes:
>>>   Whenever a chord has "sus" in it, that means you don't play the third.
>
>>i don't think sus has anything to do with the thirds.. example: Csus4

>note...both D(9) and Dsus9 are often played as xx0230 (D A D E).
>  

The way I learned it in music theory, there is a difference between Cadd9
and Csus9. C add 9 means literally that: take a C chord and add a 9th to it.
There'd be no reason to delete the 3rd unless you had to do that to voice
the 9th, which you might well have to do on a guitar. On piano you would
play the 3rd because tension between the 3rd and the 9th is what causes
the chord to have motion. If you don't play the note the listener has to add
it mentally which isn't as effective (usually).

On the other hand, C sus 9 involves carrying a note over from the previous
chord (hence the root word, suspended). Baroque music heavily utilized the
V-I chord sequence for resolution. To delay the resolution, instead of
changing the chord all at once, composers would tie the top note of the V
chord over into the next measure. Since the fifth of the V chord is the
9th of the I chord, this created the sus9 chord. If you use the V7 chord,
then you tie over the 7th of the V chord which is the 11 of the I chord,
or the 4, producing the sus4 chord. I'm not aware that any other sus chords
are used with any frequency... Thus, in the key of C, where people are
expecting the resolution of G-B-D to G-C-E, you give them G-C-D instead,
which isn't what they're expecting and causes tension, which you resolve
by moving G-C-D to G-C-E. Or, if you use the 7ths, you use the progression
G-B-D-F -> G-C-F -> G-C-E. In this case you should NOT play the third of
the chord as it tends to destroy the whole effect of delaying the resolution
of the chord.

Of course, you should always play it whichever way you think sounds best...
Sorry if that got a little geeky!
-- 
Steve Schmidt              <><             whale@leland.stanford.edu

Why is it that the revolution always gets this far and then everyone
chickens out?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone)
Subject: Re: I Seek Bass purchase advicxe
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:04:52 GMT
From: dv@oahu.linus.mitre.org (Dimitri Vorona)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: HELP BUYING FIRST ELECTRIC (SOLID BODY)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:25:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: oahu.DV.92Apr16132535
	<1992Apr15.194617.13764@acsu.buffalo.edu> <74260@netnews.upenn.edu>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation


I agree that the higher ended Ibanez guitars are very nice guitars
indeed... but I think that for the price of an Ibanez you could get a
very nice Guild electric guitar... for example:

	I bought my Guild Detenator II about 4 years ago, and I paid
	about $900 for the following;

 	Floyd Rose Tremelo system III
	2 EMG single coil and 1 EMG hummbucker pickups
	Active Electronics
	Maple Fretboard with locking nut and Grover Tuners
	
This guitar will stay in tune if you dive on the tremlo for about an
hour.  I rarely need to tune the thing, and if it requires tuning it
has fine tuners on the Floyd Rose...  

My point is that you can get a really nice setup for a decent price,
if you shop around and know what you want... Everyone has a different
opinion about what is good and bad and everyone will tell you
something different.

Before I bought the Guild I looked at countless Telecasters, Strats,
Les Pauls, Charvels, and even a Carvin...  I choose the Guild because
I loved the way it felt when I played it.  You should try out many
different guitars and see how they feel, the one that feels the best
(fret spacing is good for your reach, etc.) is the one you should buy!
Make sure though that the hardware is quality or you will be shopping
again in a few years.

							
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From: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se (Brad Steele)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: CANDY AND THE BITCH
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:17:48 GMT
Reply-To: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article 23001@news.cs.brandeis.edu, littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu () writes:
>In article <YdsF0oy00WBOE5Rm8d@andrew.cmu.edu>, pp21+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Andrew Platosh) writes:
>>>	No. What kind of person names their guitars? They're a hunk of
>>>         wood. HeLLO!
>> If your guitar is a hunk of wood, I suggest you get a new guitar.
>>Great guitar legends name their guitars (BB King - Lucielle[sp?])
>>==Paul Platosh
>
>         That stings coming from a guy who can't spell Lucille. I
>         wasn't aware that I was in the presence of "guitar gods."
>
>         hyeah, you're a god. . . NOT. You *must* play a "terminator"
>         from service merchandise. . . the one with the built-in amp,
>         right? You probably call it Arnold or something.


Jeez!  This guy's got one hell of an attitude.

Listen, if the guy wants to name his guitar,
he obviously involves some emotion in his playing.

I think you need to take some of this anger you have
and write a song about it instead of ramming it down
someone else's throat.  And while your at it, you might
want to name YOUR guitar.

---
Brad Steele
From: 190lentz@snowy.qal.berkeley.edu (Greg Lentz)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Anyone have Spinal Tap TAB?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 22:48:26 GMT
Organization: University of California Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: snowy.qal.berkeley.edu

Does anyone have some interest in learning how to play Spinal Tap songs?  I have
the basic rhythm parts figured out for all the songs from the soundtrack, but I
could use some help with some of the leads.  You can pick my brain if I can pick
yours.

Greg

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: brg2x@honi3.acc.Virginia.EDU (Barry Richard Gribble)
Subject: Re: CHORDS!!
Reply-To: brg2x@honi3.acc.Virginia.EDU (Barry Richard Gribble)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:37:07 GMT

<1992Apr7.193259.21982@src.honeywell.com>,
koontz@iasdv1.iasd.honeywell.com (Sean C. Koontz) writes:

|> Can somebody please explain what the "sus" means and how to
interpret
|> it when seen in a chord designation?  For example, how do I play a 
|> Asus4?  Also, what does it mean to write A/C#?  Maybe somebody could
|> post a listing of all the chord syntax and how to interpret and map
it
|> to a specific fingering.
|> 
|> Sean "koontz@iasdv1.iasd.honeywell.com"

Someone already posted some info on sus cords, but I wanted to follow
up.

I'm not certain that you never play the 3rd of a suspended cord, but
that very well could be.

To put it in context, a suspended cord, in its original form at least,
contains a note that is suspended (held over) from the previous cord.
An example of this would be in changing cords from a Dmaj to Amaj, you
can suspend the note D, which happens to be a four in A (Asus4).
Likewise
you can go from a Dmaj to Cmaj and suspend the note D which will be a 9
in the C cord (hence Csus9).

I know that a lot of people write Asus4 for any Amaj with a D in it,
but
I'm not really sure it's appropriate unless the D was actually
suspended.
Other wise it may be an Aadd4.

Just a note.

						BG
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: distortion boxes?
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:51:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr10.045912.10473@acsu.buffalo.edu>, lewocz@cs.Buffalo.EDU (John S. Lewocz) writes...
> 
>In article <GRIGSBY.92Apr10004442@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, grigsby@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Spiral Death Trap) writes:
>> 
>> Rockmans (rockmen?) are way expensive and only give you about five different
> 
>How expensive are they?
> 

The Distortion Generator new is about $150, the Sustainor about $250 (these at
discount).  Used prices fluctuate wildly.  I bought a mint  Sustainor at a
local store for $50, cheaper than most stomp boxes.  I've seen another recently
for a whopping $49, right next to another one selling for $150!

That rap about only a "few" sounds is unfair.  There are four basic modes on a
Sustainor, each is quite different sounding, which is more than I can say for
any stomp box I've ever used.  It also has channel switching (set up two
different sounds), lead boost, noise gate, effects loops (one for each
channel), compression...show me a stomp that gives you that flexibility.  One
side effect of all the flexibility is that it can be difficult to navigate
around the unit to *get* the different sounds.   I can get a good blues sound,
good metal sound, good Stones-ish chunk rhythm, etc.  Plus, it's AC powered and
rack mountable...all of which cost extra $$ (but are worth it, what with 9V
batteries at $2 a pop).  

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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From: gerbil@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (John Patrick Sawyer)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: chords!
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:34:56 GMT
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix

apologies to anyone I may have misled of course the seventh is natural
in the maj seventh chord but what I meant was that you sharpen it from
the seventh that is usally played. This was just an attempt to keep the
answer simple.
	John Sawyer

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From: Jeffery.A.Schneider@dartmouth.edu (Jeffery A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Fender Mustang
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:56:30 GMT
 <1992Apr17.130101.211@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr17.130101.211@wam.umd.edu>
ctso@wam.umd.edu (CT Shock) writes:

> Yours should be worth a little bit more if it is a '66, just 
> because it is the first year of production. BTW, the red ones seem to bring
> slightly more than the blue ones. I don't know what the difference is with
> a 'student model' but the regular ones go for $450-600 if they're in good shape.

Thanks Todd, it is indeed a RED '66 Mustang.  I pulled the neck a while
ago, I haven't checked the serial number though.  The only reason I
called it a student model is because that's what the salesman told my
dad many years ago when he bought it for me.  Maybe that was the
salesman's way of saying "Hey guy, this ain't a great guitar, but it
will work" ??  The body has a few dings so does this count as being in
good shape?  That's what I would think, but then I'm not in the
business :-)
From: v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (HUNG LO)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Hi-gain 12AX7s
Summary: Anyone know the best ones
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:20:00 GMT
Organization: PeeWee's Playhouse
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 	Hello out there,

	I've recently heard some rave reviews on Hi-gain 12AX7 preamp tubes.
This sounds real good since thats what I'm looking for.  The problem is that
I dont know who manufactures such beasts or where to get them.  I know Mesa/
Boogie puts out a tube called SPAX7 which is labelled as a high-gain, special
application tube.  Anyone know about this tube?  Torres Engineering sells it
and says to use it as your first tube.  Does this mean to use only one in the
first 12AX7 slot (first tube) or is that an endorsement to use it over all
other brands?  I kinda wish people would re-word things sometimes.  Also,
there has to be other brands out there.  Any recommendations?

Thanks to all who respond.

Hung realllly Lo
From: cthulhu@raybans.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Tuck Andress?
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:01:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: uflorida.35086
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Apr6.211036.21251@cabezon.uucp> larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley) writes:
>	Sorry, but there was a posting from someone earlier that seemed
>	to have a problem with Andress and his recently-released solo
>	album.  If there was any (rational) discussion of this, I'd like
>	to hear a summary.
>
>	Thanks,

  If you mean _Reckless Precision_ it's decent but gets old pretty fast. 
You can imagine that any album with all solo electric guitar would be that way.
From: wade@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Tab request: Gimme 3 Steps (Skynard)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:24:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.31676

If you have tablature for Lynyrd Skynard's Gimme 3 Steps and are willing
to share it I would appreciate it.  

Thanks,

Wade Blomgren
wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu
From: ccmnate@othello.ucdavis.edu (The Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: nuts.silly.inuendo
Keywords: nuts
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:19:14 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Apr13.154906.16781@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cmurray@esk (Christopher John Murray) writes:
>
>     Seriously though.. wilkinson roller nuts(snigger)(shut up), how well
>do they work?? can they actually manage to keep those nasty strat whammys
>in tune??

	They are fine if you want to do a little bit of subtle pitch
   "warbling" with the bar.  Go for any one of those "dive-bomb" effects
   and you will throw your instrument out of tune.  Maybe not by much, but
   enough to bug the hell out of your audience.

>                                       /  Choose the day..
>        Email to:                     /  And choose the sign of your day..
>     cmurray@esk.compserv.utas.edu   /  The days divinity..first thing
>      (Austrailia)..shock.horror.   /  you see ...     The Doors.


Nathan Rollins
ccmnate@othello.ucdavis.edu
From: dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: -*> Dokken <*-
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:42:18 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <1992Apr16.004646.1356@wkuvx1.bitnet> easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Does anyone know if Cherry Lane (or anyone else) publishes TAB for Dokken, or
>if George Lynch's "Mr. Scary" appears in any Guitar magazines/publications?
>I think George is one of the best guitarists I've ever heard.. He is simply
>incredible!

Yeah they do.  I saw one (didn't buy yet) for Back for the Attack and one
for that live one (forget the name) at the local music store.

Also Guitar For the Practicing Musician has had a few Dokken tunes
in tab.  Most notably Mr. Scary and You Just Got Lucky.

Colin DeWolfe
dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca

P.S.  If anyone has music for Lynch Mob, it would be greatly appreciated
or even if you could tell me if there is a book out.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Subject: Re: More Brian Adams
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:20:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.034948.25396@wam.umd.edu> dana@next05wor.wam.umd.edu  
(Arturo A. Gigante) writes:
> Call me a sentimental but my girlfriend love the Brian Adams song from  
> Robin Hood.  Yes, I want to sing it to her and yes I am too lazy to           
> figure it out.  Does anyone know this song?

Uh, Carl, I believe that Brian is actually spelled Bryan.  :-)

Jason
cheese@wam.umd.edu

PS.  Always include your name and e-mail address at the end of your posts
so people know where to reach you.
From: gistim@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tim Raebig)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: How do they get that sound?
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:08:36 GMT
Distribution: alt.guitar
Organization: Educational Computing Network

Does anyone happen to know how to get that ratchety, distorted sound

that Ozzy uses for his voice at the beginning of Iron Man and that
 
Metalicca uses on ... And Justice and the new one?
From: cld@kd4nc.uucp (Charles D'Englere)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: WANTED: Gretch CountGentleman
Summary: Wanted: One Gretch Country Gentleman Guitar
Keywords: wanted guitar gretch hollow-body 6-string country
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:04:42 GMT
Organization: KD4NC HAM Packet Radio Gateway

I am looking for a used, NOT USE UPPED, Gretch Country Gentleman. The
guitar should be in good to very good condition with no damage to either
the neck or body of the guitar. If you have one of these 6-stringers and
would like to part with it for a reasonable amount of money or if you
know of someone would like to rid themselves of the guitar please E-Mail
me information.

Thanks in advance,
Charles


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From: fsrla@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: alt.bass and Alaska????
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:43:10 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

A simple question, really.......
Is alt.bass ever gonna get to Alaska????????????
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Guitar Craft
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:44:44 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <TOBY.92Apr9121651@r3h.cs.man.ac.uk>, toby@cs.man.ac.uk (Toby Howard) writes...
>Hi
> 
>Is anyone here interested in Robert Fripp's Guitar Craft? I've enjoyed
>playing around with the 'New Standard Tuning' (low->high CGDAEG). In fact,
>are there any Crafties out there?

Curious tuning...after going to all the trouble of ascending in fifths, why is
the highest string only a minor third up from the E?

I'd be interested in seeing some chord and scale forms for this tuning...

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

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From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Unusual Stratocaster
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:48:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr8.111455.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, gkessells@cc.curtin.edu.au writes...
>Ok, having seen all the recent posts about Fender Stratocaster Elites, and
>having today seen my first real live Strat (not stratocaster).  I thought I'd
>see if anyone could identify this beasty I have seen locally.  The head stock
>just says 'Fender Stratocaster Made in USA' (this is all from memory).  The
>head stock shape is the heavy, triangular 70's style.  The tremolo has unusual
>saddles, cant remember exactly how, but they were different, and the trem arm
>just pushes in.  There is only one pot and that has a knurled metal knob, and
>the cable jack is on the edge of the body, ala Gibson.  I think it may also
>have a humbucker in the bridge position.  Any ideas?

Ever since Fender was cut loose by CBS, they have had a hard time getting a
solid catalog together.  Many models came and went in a brief period of time,
some of which (like the Performer series) are true rarities even if they may not
yet be desirable collectables.

I have a flyer from the immediate post-CBS period that shows a couple of Strats
like what you described, both US and Japanese made.  I think they are listed as
"Contemporary Statocaster", but the same flyer shows a bass that I have seen
labelled as both a Precision Special and a Jazz Bass Special (actually a P-bass
with PJ pickups).

Nowadays, Fender seems to have settled down a bit, although they have more
Strat variations now than ever before.

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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