HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sjp@werple.apana.org.au (Steven Pemberton)
Newsgroups: aus.forsale
Subject: Re: 386sx MB 1 meg RAM
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:10:46 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.apana.org.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

davel@coombs.anu.edu.au (Dave LaMaitre) writes:
: I have a 386sx motherboard for sale (advertised previously)
: Specs are:
: 
: 80386Sx-16Mhz Motherboard
: Intel Chipset
: One meg. of SIMMs on board (i.e. 4 x 256Kb SIMMS)
: Memory expandable to 16Mb (I think)
: 2 8-bit slots and 6 16-bit slots
: 
: Only asking for a mere $150 ono
: 
For those that like to shop around, 20Mhz versions of the above - without
the 1Meg RAM, can bo bought NEW for $140. (In Melbourne anyway.)

A friend of mine bought one just today.
Email if you want details.

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Newsgroups: aus.forsale
From: rda658b@nella11.cc.monash.edu.au (M. Trinh)
Subject: 286-12mhz for sale
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:44:20 GMT

 Osbrone 286-12MHZ with 1 Meg memory , EGA monitor and EGA/EVA card with 128k
 Brand new multi IO card : 1 printer port
			   1 joystick port
			   2 serial port with 16c450
			   1 1.2mb drive new (5 1/4)
			   1 1.4mb drive new (3 1/2)
come with ide controller for hard disk but No hard disk with this system
101 extend keyboard 

above all only $400 dollars 
Email me on rda658b@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au
or phone after 6pm : 543 2401 ask for mike 

		    	   

Newsgroups: aus.forsale
From: 11437294@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (NATHAN WHEAT)
Subject: Mountain bike for sale - Melbourne
Keywords: bike mountain melbourne sale
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:38:16 GMT


Mountain bike for sale:

		10 speed
		pretty new Shimano gears
		alloy frame (chromed)
		alloy wheels
		alloy cranks
		quick-release seat
		centre-pull brakes (both)

	Needs a little attention (front wheel slow leak, left crank becomes 
loose).   But in fairly good conditon, front fork recently replaced, as well 
as rear brake cable.

		Wanting to sell for $120.

	(Only reply if in Melbourne area)

Nathan Wheat.
Xref: sparky aus.forsale:1403 misc.forsale.computers:33072
From: chaolin@fcit-m1.fcit.monash.edu.au (CHAOLIN CHANG)
Newsgroups: aus.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Re: MS-Windows 3.1 (new) for AUD$85.00 (postage extra)
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:14:16 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Faculty of Computing and Information Technology, Monash University

In article <1992Sep8.091451.12847@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Wey Jing HO) writes:

>I have new unopened MS-Windows 3.1. I am asking for AUD$85.00
>(postage extra). Disk size 5 1/4" only.

>Email me if interested.

>-- 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Wey Jing Ho    Tel: 61-3-573-2567   E-mail : sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au<
>>Physics Dept., Monash University ( Caulfield Campus ), Melbourne, AUSTRALIA<
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry! But, by paying $95 bucks, you can have a copy of Windows 3.1 and one 
year communique membership direct from Microsoft.
Newsgroups: aus.forsale
From: rdb156s@nella12.cc.monash.edu.au (JKM. Tan)
Subject: CHEAP MEMORY - FOR SALE!!
Summary: Special price!!
Keywords: 1 MEG SIMM RAMs
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:31:52 GMT

Dear Shoppers,
	I have got some RAMs for sale. They are brand new, Japanese
RAMs. It is 1 Meg SIMMs.

	Drop me a note if you are interested. Remember this is the
best price you can get. Compare the price if you choose.

John

-- 
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	Email:-	rdb156s@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au OR
		sphinx@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
" There's nothing better than cheering someone up, with a smiley. :) "
Newsgroups: aus.news
From: Jon.Biddell@unsw.edu.au (Jon Biddell)
Subject: Re: FERGIE
Organization: University of NSW
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:53:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.092856.164436@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
>Subject: Re: FERGIE
>Date: 2 Sep 92 15:28:56 GMT
>In article <11478489.7.714641684@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 11478489@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (TEO RONALD) writes:
>> 
>> 				*** FERGIE ***
>
>I can't help wondering if all the people hounding Fergie, Di etc are living 
>morally correct lives themselves.
>
>Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Let's get it right....

Jesus came upon a crowd of people who were about to stone to death a woman 
for committing adultry. He said "Let he who is without sin cast the first 
stone". Just then a woman ran from the back of the crowd, picked up the 
BIGGEST boulder that anyone had seen and crushed the woman flat with it.

Jesus turned to her and said "Aw, Mum, did you have to ???"



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Newsgroups: aus.news
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: FERGIE
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:27:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.092856.164436@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
> 
> In article <11478489.7.714641684@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 11478489@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (TEO RONALD) writes:
> > 
> > 				*** FERGIE ***
> 
> I can't help wondering if all the people hounding Fergie, Di etc are living 
> morally correct lives themselves.
> 
> Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au

The people hounding Fregie, Di, etc are probably moral scums, but then again they
probably do not receive millions of pounds of public money in living expenses, nor 
would they expected to act as a symbol for their nation. Certainly one would expect 
the family of the head of the Church of England and the 'first family' of Great Britain 
to represent the dignity, values, pride and image of the United Kingdom in the world
and leave tabloid antics to the Hollywood set.

Edmund
From: s314262@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (dylan tusler)
Newsgroups: aus.news
Subject: Re: FERGIE
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:11:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Queensland Uni, Australia

Let's be realistic, the real criminals in this case are the press.

For CENTURIES royal families all around the world have lived
the same way.

Henry VIII had six wives, knocking off each one as he got tired
with her, and he CREATED the Church of England and set himself
and his heirs up as its leader.

Edward II had a homosexual relationship for which he was killed
by having a red hot poker shoved up his backside!!

Sexual promiscuity has always played an accepted part of British
royal life, just as it has in the Kennedys in the USA and so
on and so forth.

The only exceptions to the above appear to be royals called Elizabeth,
but there's always been something about that...

What really shocks is that the press has the power to expose the
scandals which normally would have been swept under the carpet
and as a result, faith in the Royal family is lost.

Get real, anyone who thinks the Royal family should be pure is
ignoring the bulk of historical detail to the contrary.

Dylan.
s314262@cs.uq.oz.au
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.news
Subject: Re: FERGIE
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:05:29 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1992Sep7.232704.20629@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.092856.164436@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>> 
>> I can't help wondering if all the people hounding Fergie, Di etc are living 
>> morally correct lives themselves.
>> 
>> Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
> 
> The people hounding Fregie, Di, etc are probably moral scums, but then again
> they probably do not receive millions of pounds of public money in living
> expenses, nor would they expected to act as a symbol for their nation.
> Certainly one would expect the family of the head of the Church of England
> and the 'first family' of Great Britain to represent the dignity, values,
> pride and image of the United Kingdom in the world and leave tabloid antics
> to the Hollywood set. 
> > Edmund 

I expect similar standards from the press and anyone else who comments on the 
morals of others.

Regards,

John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.followup
From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui)
Subject: Re: Which NewsGroups not being imported into Australia?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:00:13 GMT

BSS_BRUCEP@vd.seqeb.gov.au (Bruce Powell) writes:

>At our site it appears as there are some newsgroups which only have items
>that have been cross-posted or posted from Australia. This would imply
>that these groups ( part of the alt.... hierarchy ) are being

>	a) not being imported into Australia
>	b) Do not have world distribution by default
>	c) some other explanation.

>To this end, does any one have a list of newsgroups not being imported to
>Australia, In particular those in the ( alt, comp, misc, rec, vmsnet )
>hierarchies.

It also appeared to me that I (in monash) only received postings from 
Australia and Japan. It happened for those groups that I had postings
from the other parts of the world.

Could someone tell me if it is the problem on some parts of the
world-wide network?

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Newsgroups: aus.followup
From: patrick@kgispy.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU (Patrick Herlihy)
Subject: Toe-Knee (was kre - what's it stand for ..)
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:10:31 GMT
Keywords: aus,trivia

chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:

>-- 
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>PHONE:	+61-2-698-2322	"I'm waiting for X-Windows to become just that;
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Tony thinks that vi is an extravagance.. Tony, you are still the only person
I have ever seen use ed as a real text editor.

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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: kre - what's it stand for ..
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 15:11:00 +1000

In an article <1992Sep8.004652.396@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au>    
guy@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au (Guy Carpenter) writes ..

 >>I (and a few other people) have often wondered what kre expands to
 >>as it doesnt seem to be 'Robert Elz' .. so what is it ?

 [ .. ]

 > As per an ancient post:

 > 3) Knows and Responds to Everything.

Given his apparent recent workload, that might be updated/rewritten as ..

    Knows and Responds Eventually :-)

    michael


Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: unimelb/muwayb back on air
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:46:08 GMT

The central mail centre for unimelb.edu.au, muwayb, is back on the net.
It's processing a backlog of some 250 mail items marginally faster than
new mail is spooling in, so you could call the service 'sluggish'...

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms

Xref: sparky aus.aarnet:847 aus.netstatus:162
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
Subject: Re: WA down fri 16:xx
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:36:07 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1992Sep13.232726.19710@newshost.anu.edu.au>, gih900@cruskit.aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston) writes:
>> the link from the national hub to western australia seems to be down.
>> further news as it comes to hand.
> 
> Telecom restored the link at around 7:30 Friday evening - yet
> another instance of the (now notorious) B-MUX at the Prahan
> exchange acting up. Telecom ISDN support engineers have indicated

I've seen several references to Bmux's playing up.  Is this the only/worst
one, or are they a bad breed ? 

Regards,

John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Head, Networks Group                        Phone : +61 8 259 5292
Corporate Information Systems               FAX   : +61 8 259 5537
DEFENCE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ORGANISATION Postal: Bld 73 Labs Area
AUSTRALIA                                           PO Box 1500 Salisbury 
            "Lord Warden of the Sync Ports"         South Australia  5108
                (DSTO Network Manager)              AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.auug
From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby)
Subject: Re: kre - what's it stand for ..
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  7 Sep 92 06:15:54 GMT
Followup-To: aus.auug
Keywords: kre,aus,trivia

In <jason.715838324@coombs> jason@coombs.anu.edu.au (jason..) writes:

>I (and a few other people) have often wondered what kre expands to
>as it doesnt seem to be 'Robert Elz' .. so what is it ?
>
>1) King Robert Elz ? :-)
>2) Kernigan, Ritchie, Elz ?
>3) ??

This was the subject of a competition at a long ago AUUG conference
in Melbourne. There are some who know the answer, but they'll only
tell over a (shouted) beer or two at the AUUG conference next week.

It's not Karl...
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PHONE:	+61-2-698-2322	"I'm waiting for X-Windows to become just that;
FAX:	+61-2-699-9174	 Ex-Windows" - A McGrath.
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: Proposal: OSI Addressing on AARnet
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:21:03 GMT

This dialogue is fascinating, but drifting off context.

Mark (Prior) wants to see sufficient infrastructure in place to permit
prefix-based OSI address allocation to proceed along the current AARN router
hierarchy, with a view to address optimization down the track when routes
are passed outside of Australia.

I think this is a laudible goal.

I don't see the IETF/big-internet work resulting in substantive address
allocation schemes for some time, outside of the (sketchy) RFC that
Mark used to design what he proposed for us.

The number of people interested is small enough that migration is really
a non-issue. Ditto double address allocation. Ditto moving hosts and subnets
around the country as in BHP and comemercial tie-ins.

Mark wants this to do work. I'm on the edge of being interested enough to
want to see him do the hard work so I can piggyback onto it later. 

C'mon people. Lets progress, make a few mistakes, and then see what happens.
Jawing about 'sub-optimal solutions' or 'politics' is boring.

	-George
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                         George Michaelson
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                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: brennan@tango.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan)
Subject: archie.au?
Organization: Cumberland College of Health Sciences
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:46:22 GMT

	urm.. is there anything wrong with archie.au ?

	(I've been O/S for a month or so, so excuse me if
	 you pulled the rug weeks ago or something...)

	I can't seem to use my ARCHIE client to get to archie.au...
	(gets to archie.rutgers.edu okay, though)

	tried to telnet to archie.au and just hung.. bleagh..
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+ Cumberland College of Health Sciences,                              ,-_|\   +
+ The University of Sydney                  voice: +61 2 646 6402    /     \  +
+ East Street, Lidcombe, NSW 2141             fax: +61 2 646 4853    \_,-._*  +
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: FASTPAC and AARNET
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:32:13 GMT

bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:

>I think this is very relevant.  When the public X.25 Austpac service was
>introduced, a lot of people stayed away from it, and built private X.25 
>networks using dedicated circuits.   I have been wondering if a similar 
>situation might develop in the fast packet arena.

Usually for the right reasons. Austpac was targetted at the dispersed-
sites/lowish volume market. It was never intended to be used by largish
organizations for their internal networking. It could have done that,
but is would in most cases have been more expensive that a private
network.

Telecom offered us Austpac use at bargain-basement rates in the run-up
to AARNet. It would have been a low-speed disaster. (9600bps/university)

-- 
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Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Proposal: OSI Addressing on AARnet
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:43:01 GMT

In <miw.715219278@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:

| Except that it is most likely that we will need two NSAPS per host
| anyway,

If I correctly understand the way these things work, you're probably
going to ahve to have a number of NSAP's per host, that in itself is
not the issue.

What matters is whether the routing is going to have to know that
various different ICC's (or whatever those things up the left hand
end) and the next bits beyond that are really all on the same cable.

It would be nice to have just one "net number" per cable, rather
than several.

Certainly a host is going to need several nsap's, but those should
really be all the same for the first 17 18 19 bytes or something,
with just the last one or whatever providing all the nsap's that
a particular host needs.

| In fact, if the IETF are going to go dropping what most probably be
| CLNP-incompatible protocols into their address space, shouldn't we be
| avoiding those addresses like the plague?

Assuming the IETF goes the CLNP route, which isn't certain by any means,
I'd expect there will be immense pressure to stay ISO CLNP compatible.
Perhaps mandate use of some options or something (ie: define a profile)
but its not likely there will be anything incompatible changed - even
though there are some people who would like to do that.  If anything,
if changes are made, they're likely to be pushed through ISO as a CLNP
revision (recall that CLNP comes form the US, and largely internet
people, in any case).

kre
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: mwp@iconix.oz.au (Michael Paddon)
Subject: Re: kre - what's it stand for ..
Keywords: kre,aus,trivia
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:26:25 GMT

My personal theory is that kre is a recursive definition... Kre Robert Elz.

mwp
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Proposal: OSI Addressing on AARnet
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:43:04 GMT

In <miw.715834226@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:

| Don't fool yourself. The decision will be made on political and
| commercial grounds before it is made on technical grounds. CCITT and ISO
| are made up of technical people, too.

They do, but they're not the people charged with actually handing
out addresses.  Most IETF decisions are actually made on technical
grounds (not all, but most).

| What I am saying is that the IETF may well decide on OSI addressing but
| a non-OSI protocol. Then any OSI systems using IETF addressing space
| will be stuffed, won't they? 

No.

| I capitalised the word Internet. By this I mean the area in the IETF
| addressing domain. I can think of a number of reasons why we don't
| necessarily want Europeans thinking Australia is part of the USA. 

But if the IETF NSAP's catch on they'd be used in Europe too.
Europeans could hardly consider us part of the US without considering
themselves part of the US, which is not all that likely.

| I don't think it is a matter of routing complexity. It is a matter of
| routing feasibility.

In the current IP case, no, its complexity - the way the routing
is done (uwing nets in AS's with the AS's connected in fairly
well known places, and nets advertised only via their known AS
through its attachment o the backbone) adding other links is very
difficult, and takes a lot of human engineering to work out just
where the packets should go in various cases.   Part of this is
due to the presence (still) of EGP, which is hopeless.

| I am sure you have done the sums and seen just how
| big the routing protocol packets get if you open up just one alternative
| route back to the USA.

Its not our routing that's the problem, the packets may be large, but
we could cope (note that we don't have to use RIP, more economical
routing protocols, like OSPF, where only changes are sent around,
rather than the universe every 30 seconds).  The problem is at the
other end, where the routing tables are already huge, and wouldn't
get larger due to an extra link from here.   What does get harder is
their decision on just how they should send packets here, and which
path should be used by whom at what times.   It does get very very
messy.

| This basically enforces a network starred on
| North America, since international links that can carry the routing
| information load would be too expensive.

Not necessarily - we could easily put in a link to Eurpoe, and
use it only for European traffic (between us and them).  The difficulty
with doing this is that we'd want to be able to use it as a backup
for the pacific link to the US, that's where things get very hard.

kre
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet