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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
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Subject: Intentional Grounding
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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There may not be a receiver within what?  10 yards?  15 yards?

C'mon, folks, pay attention, and know what's going on...

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: haverdin@cs.iastate.edu (Mike Haverdink)
Subject: Webster Slaughter?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:20:51 GMT

Where is Webster Slaughter?  He hasn't shown up in the stats for a couple of
weeks now.  Did he go on IR?  Any info appreciated...
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
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Subject: Steelers' starting quarterback
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:56:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Nov21.145629.17449
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I would like to know if Bubby Brister will start tomorrow or if it will be 
O'Donnel. Thanks in advance.

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From: mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin)
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Subject: Which QB starting for Lions this week?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:32:02 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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The papers all say that Ware may play, but they don't say he will start.
Kramer played last week with pretty much the same results Peete had been
having.  Rodney is supposedly healthy now, but have the coaches given up
on him.  Myself, I would play Ware, just to see what he can do.  Peete,
however, has not been all that bad, and still deserves to be the starter.
With their line though, I would be pleading to be put on the practice squad:(

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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: WE Give UP!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:27:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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As I sit here in my grungy! basement watching the BILLS DESTROY, CREAM,
and Literaly kill the Falcons, I GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!


We WANT A REAL COACH !!!!!! someonr anyone take JERRY, HOUSTONq SEATTLE
ANYONE


THE BILLS ARE THE BEST, look out DALLAS.... 49ers ... Philly
From: danba@pogo.wv.tek.com (Daniel J Balza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:17:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR.


The reason I started hating the Cowboy's is because of this
AMERICA'S TEAM crap.  I was just starting to think think that
they were OK (new coaches, players. etc..) and now you tell me 
they're going to start it all over again!!!  Nobody can tell me
who my team is!!

Dan Balza
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs. Bills: Poor Calls
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:36:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov17.204215.11672@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>Much has been made about the poor officiating in last nights game, and for
>good reason: it sucked.  Being a Dolphin fan I was outraged at the non-call
>on the "intentional grounding" play, but for a different reason.  The ref 
>did not call intentional grounding because a receiver was nearby, and that
>is fine.  What irked me is that the referee should have invoked "in the 
>grasp" rule before the ball was thrown; Coleman and Kelly looked like a couple

I think they changed that rule; I'm not sure. I haven't seen it called in a
while. Anybody else know what the current rule is for "in the grasp" ?


>at a prom dance.  But credit Kelly: he was strong enough to keep his feet and
>smart enough to dump off the ball.
>
>In spite of all the bad calls, I don't believe they decided the game.  Each
>team had bad calls against them, and the two non-TD calls that cost the Bills
>4 points pretty much offset the afore-mentioned grounding play.  What ultimately
>cost Miami the game is that they could not stop Thurman Thomas in the 4th
>quarter, and especially on the last Buffalo series.  Some predicted that not
>having Offerdahl would hurt Miami, and it appears that they were right.
>
>Let all Dolphin and Bills fans look forward to a playoff rematch, and hope
>everyone is healthy, the weather is good, and the officials are competent,
>so the teams can break the 1-1 tie.  And let all Dolphin fans hope that they
>can survive the next three weeks (Houston, @ New Orleans, @ San Francisco).
>
>David, Dolphin fan
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Broncos completing the route of the NFC-East
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:41:33 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


The Broncos are putting the final exclamation to the miserable
day the NFC-East had today. As of now, the Broncos lead the
Gaints....27-20 with 2 minutes to go.

All the NFC-East teams have lost today.

S.H
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: coaching changes?
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:57:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Nov11.194124@IASTATE.EDU>, rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
> In article <1drudlINNscj@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu
> (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>> 
>> One other interesting question for Miami fans is when is Shula going
>> to decide to step down? Could this be his final season?
>> 
>>                                                        Tony
>>                                                     GO 49ERS!!!
> 
> He won't step down until he at least breaks
> the record for most wins by a coach, and probably
> not before the fish make another run at the
> superbowl
> 
> 1 Halas (Bears) 327 ??
> 2 Shula (Dolphins) 313
>    ......
>     .......
>    Holtz (Jets)   1 
> 
> I figure he'll probably get 4 - 7 more wins
> this year - so he should get the record some
> time in Oct/Nov/Dec 1993 if everything goes well.
> It would be nice to see him get the record
> at home on a monday night against Cincinatti.
> 
> R Turner  

	Actually I believe that Halas has 330 something, but I am not sure at
all.  He probably will not retire any time soon.  Shula still loves the game,
and still wins at it, and has no reason to believe that he will stop winning
any time soon.  Think about all the greats that have retired recently.
Landry was forced out because he wasn't winnign anymore-Shula is
Walsh retired because he thought that the 49ers were going to
	take a tailspin so he retired at the top-Shula not only isn't at the
		top, but has no reason to feel his team is about to need a 
		major rebuilding job.
Noll retired because he couldn't do it anymore-Shula can
Parcells retired because he saw the team taking a tailspin, ok, he SAID
	that he "thought it was time, but does anyone really think he didn't
	because of the team's iminent(sp?) collapse?  Shula doesn't have this.

I see Shula coaching for a good 5-10 more years, meaning 5 at the least, 10 at
the most.  Any shorter, and I think he'd be able to talk himself into sticking
around, any longer, and he'll be to old to talk without his false teeth coming
out  :)
	-Skins fan with LOADS of respect for Grandpa Dolphin
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: What is the latest on Moon.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:56:45 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Can anybody out there tell me what is the latest news on Moon.

I know that he broke a shoulder bone and is out for 2-3 weeks.


Thanx
S.H

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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Denver vs. Raiders
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:05:45 GMT

In article <98877@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Did anyone catch that shot of Elroy picking his nose on the sidelines as
>the Broncos were on their way to being shut out??  This replaces the shot
>of Randall C. yawing on the sidelines on my list.  Hmmm.... they were both
>playing the Raiders during these incedents.
>
>satish nair
>go giants

He picked it and then appeared to wipe it off on his hat or hair. At least, he 
didn't eat it! :)
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bottom
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:14:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Nov19.011403.17500
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 <98078@netnews.upenn.edu> 
 <Nov.18.09.46.33.1992.1539@andromeda.rutgers.edu> 
 <Nov.18.13.34.03.1992.20413@aramis.rutgers.edu>  
 <Nov.18.14.12.46.1992.17675@andromeda.rug
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <Nov.18.14.12.46.1992.17675@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:

> Unlike Giants fans who cheer for the challenger who plays the
> winner of their division.  Like all the pigs rooting for Detroit
> against Dallas last year.  Little babies got knocked out early so
> if we can't be happy why should anybody else.  Talk about no respect
> for the other teams in the division.   Chumps! 

Oh really?  So are you trying to tell me that if the Giants were in
Dallas's place right now, you wouldn't be cheering for someone to beat
the Giants in hopes it would knock 'em out of first place?  Save your
hypocritical bullshit for someone who cares...your Iggles will probably
beat my Giants Sunday, but that's O.K....you won't hear me cryin'...but
I can hardly wait for all the excuses and bellyaching we'll hear when
the Feebles drop at least 3 of their final 6 games (and wouldn't it be
great if one of those losses was at Seattle?  HA!)

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Brett Favre
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:53:55 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <98756@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I noticed that the Packers won again. Even had a 100 yard rusher (Edgar
>Bennet).  I'd like to know how Brett Favre did in this game (I have his
>stats but would like an insiders opinion).   This guy becoming a real
>favorite of mine and really feel he's gonna be someone BIG real soon.

I like Favre a lot, too - it sure looks like that trade was Holmgren's
first stroke of genius, doesn't it?  Still, I can't help but get the
Makowski deja-vus here...
-- 

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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: Re: Predictions
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:49:20 GMT

In article <By6o0x.GAA@acsu.buffalo.edu> v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio) writes:
>I  have just recently began looking at this news group but I want to get into
>the spirit of things and post my predictions for divison/playoffs spots. Why,
>you may ask, I don't know. So here goes.
>
>AFC
>
>East:
>      This one is tough to call. Both teams are very, very good and I respect
>both teams. However, I do feel compelled to say that the Bills will pull this 
>one for 2 reasons.
>      1. If things remain consistent, the Bills will probable have the better
>         divison record. Therefore, the Bills can afford a tie.
>      2. Miami still has to play the Saints and 49er. Personally, I think 
>         they can win one of these games, but not both.
>      However, I do feel that Miami is not out of it. They are still in
>good position to still take the divison.
>
>
Buffalo is definitely in the driver's seat on this one.  They most likely can
afford a tie as all they need to secure the tie-breaker over Miami is a win 
over either the Colts or the Jets (because a split of those games would leave
the Bills at 6-2 in the division... only loss so far is to the Fins... while 
Miami has already lost 3 in the East... Buffalo, Jets, Indy).  Thus, for all 
real purposes, Miami must make up 2 games on Buffalo (not an easy task) to 
win the East.

I will go out on a limb (Bills still must play both division champs from '91
and the Saints) and predict that Buffalo will make it a 5-peat and take home-
field advantage and another AFC title (if God is willing and the creek don't
rise).


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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: Packers: Workman's status
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:59:18 CST

In article <1992Nov23.195458.23073@sequent.com> bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke) writes:
>
>Will Workman return next week? Who is this 'E. Bennett'?
>
>Thanks for the info in advance!
>
>bud                         !
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Don't know when Workman's gonna be back.  But Edgar Bennet is a rookie this year, he
played fairly impressively in the pre-season so it's nice to see him get out there.
Packers drafted him as kind of a "middle back" as he weighs 220.

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From: richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson)
Subject: Re: NFC East (and the Cowboys)
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:05:42 GMT

TWF (blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: Quick question:  Does anyone know the last time that all of the NFC
: East teams lost on the same weekend?  (No, I don't know, but I figured
: that if there's anyone in the US that does, they're probably reading
: this).
: 


According to the announcers during the Broncos-Giants game last night,
if the NY Giants lost (they did), it would be the first time ever;
Since the AFL-NFL merger was in 1969 or 70, that would mean this
was the first time in 22-23 years, which really isn't that surprising,
since they play 8 games per team against each other every year 
(someone has to win those);  I would bet that the number of times each
NFC East team played an opponent that was not in their division on the
same weekend is not very many.  For instance, there are only 2 such 
possible weekends during the entire 1992 season (this weekend and 
last weekend). By the way, last weekend, the NFC East was 5-0, and I doubt
that has happened very often over the last 22-23 years, either.

 
-- 
Richard Thompson
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Browns News - Nov 20th (Vikings' game)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.165044.25095@unislc.uucp> jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:

>>- The defense must not allow any quick strikes for TD's. The Vikings like to 
>>  throw deep. They get into trouble when they have to march slowly.
>

>are more capable of doing it than recent Vikings teams.  I have seen some good
>drives this year accumulated with Terry Allen (and some Roger Craig) runs,
>screen passes to Allen, short passes to Cris Carter.  On the other hand, I 

I agree completely.  The Vikings are much better on the short-passing game
than the long game.  I think the Carter's perform best when Jones is in
there clearing out long and A.C. or Chris do short button-hooks.

The long stuff has only worked when the Vikes have already established the 
short game.



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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Trivia - The Answer
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:50:05 GMT

In article <722562865snx@smok.demon.co.uk> richard@smok.demon.co.uk (Richard Clyne) writes:

>Which Quarterback active last season has lost the most games they have
>started?

It's gotta be somebody old, though not necessarily for a bad team.
Still, I doubt it's Montana.  How about DeBerg or Krieg?
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Ronald Lewis, SF -> Green Bay
Summary: GB signs Lewis, waives Kitrick Taylor
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:21:22 GMT


This morning's USA Today reports that Green Bay has signed former
49er Ronald Lewis, and waived Kitrick Taylor.

49er fans:  is Lewis any good?  For reference, most (I think)
Packer fans aren't impressed with current Packer/former 49er 
Sanjay Beach, who is no threat at WR opposite Sterling Sharpe.

Packer fans:  according to the 1992 _Sporting News Pro Football
Register_, Lewis was the 49ers' 3rd round pick out of FSU in '90.
He caught 5 passes in '90, but spent all of '91 on IR with a back
injury.  He also missed a chunk of '90 on IR with a back injury.
He's 5'11" and 173 pounds, and 24 years old.

Is Green Bay turning into FSU-North?

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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Monday Night...FINAL SCORE!
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:25:30 GMT

In article <If2FbsS00WBOE2UaNN@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>First of all, I did make the Bet I,II, or III, because they're stupid. 
>Taking all the bad calls into consideration, I am positive that the
>no-call on the intentional grounding by Jim Kelly, was by far the WORST.
> That was the one that actually decides the game, because the Bills
>would have been at 2nd and about 25.  The Dolphins would most likely
>have gotten the ball back with about 3minutes to go, and we all know
>that that's more than plenty of time for Marino to charge down the field
>for the winning score.  
>Everyone agreed that he threw it to avoid the sack, and that there was
>no way he could have gotten the ball to McKellar.  He just let go of the
>ball on his way down, and the momentum of his flight took the ball 2
>yards in front of him towards McKellar.  And I'm not even complaining
>about the pass-interference, and I'll say that it was a legit call.
>One last thing, for those on the AAFC side for Bet III, why cheer on the
>Bills?  They're just a wasted no hope team. 

There is so much to disagree with in this post, but I'll just take the last
one. How can you call a team that looked so good against another good team 
a "wasted no hope team"? One grounding of the ball doesn't make the team bad.
IMHO, the lack of a call was more than balanced out by the other bad calls 
that didn't go Buffalo's way.

Applying my Raider fan attitude, I don't care about the bad calls. I'll take
the win. 

A Raider fan
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From: kezerk@cc.tut.fi (M{k{r{inen Matti)
Subject: Re: Sikahema
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:50:41 GMT


From article <92328.003948DCR115@psuvm.psu.edu>, by DCR <DCR115@psuvm.psu.edu>:
>     I am a fairly new Eagles fan, and I have a question about Vai Sikahema.  I
> have been impressed with his play all year, and against the Giants he was amazi
> ng.  When and how did the Eagles get him?  Was he always this good?  Or has La
> rry Pasquali, the special teams coach, improved their play so much that he look
> s more impressive than he is?  I thought it was poor sportsmanship, but extreme
> ly funny,  when he beat up the Giants sign on the goalpost after returning a ki
> ck for a touchdown.  Maybe the Eagles have a shot after all. I'm not giving up.
> up

  I dunno about other seasons, but at least seasons 88 and 89 he played for
Cards..KR,PR & RB  (at least those)


      Kez.


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