HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Photosynthesis Philosophy.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
    <16AUG199221324844@acad3.alaska.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:47:45 GMT

In article <16AUG199221324844@acad3.alaska.edu>, jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Parker) writes:
>(1) So a UV light *would* be an effective source for 'blue' rays?

No.  Regular fluorescent would be much much much better.

>(2) If so, What would an effective ratio be of wattage from an incandescent
>bulb, to black light, to achieve a good growing balance?

Don't mess around with "regular" incandesent bulbs for growing plants.  They
put out way too much infared, which makes them inefficient and fries the
plants.  

You can grow under high-temperature incandescents, though.  Sodium and
mercury vapor are OK.  They put out a much "bluer" light than regular
incandescents.  

But the simplest, cheapest, most efficient type of light to use for growing
plants is regular fluorescent (gro-lite fluorescent or 6500 degree spectrum
fluorescent if you have money to burn).

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Repost request for refs on D. illinoensis
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:37:11 GMT
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug13.112108.22211@klaava.Helsinki.FI> ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen) writes:

>Thompson et al. report that the root bark of this North American perennial
>shrub contains 0.34% DMT and 0.11% N-methyltryptamine...
[Lots of good info deleted]

I'm still hoping that someone will post or e-mail references which
discuss the psychoactivity of D. illinoensis.  This Thompson et al.
would be a good place to start.  I did a medline search a while back,
came up empty handed, tried paging through various journals, but
still have no hard information.  If such information has been posted
and I missed it, I'd appreciate e-mail.

>Petrus

   --Matt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: info on open container laws needed ...
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:59:30 GMT

Isla Vista, CA, has ineffective open container laws.  IV is a geographically
isolated area about 1 square mile directly adjacent to the University of
California at Santa Barbara (UCSB).

As you may have guessed, the student population of IV is about half.  On many
nights (weekends given, and some weeknights), crowds of drunken students walk
about the streets.  They used to do this drinking beer from cups.  Since a
open container law was passed, they merely drink the beer off the streets.
Then they walk about.

If the purpose of he law was to reduce public drunkenness, it failed.  If
it was to reduce occurence of the offense known as "drunk and disorderly," it
failed.  Even if its purpose was merely to reduce the number of beer cups
littered on the streets, it failed.  Empty cups are carried and strewn about.

I can't think of a purpose this law accomplished, unless it was to increase
revenue for the Foot Patrol, which figures aren't known to me.  I know this
is only anecdotal, but its's a start.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14753 talk.politics.drugs:5850
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Ecstacy (X) dangerous?  CNN British report ...
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:44:52 GMT
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug15.203259.29651@news.cs.indiana.edu> Paul Hager <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

>	Caught the tail-end of a British report carried on
>Headline News about the Rave scene in Britain and the use of
>X.  A victim was on hand to talk about how his blood was all
>screwed up from use of X.  A Doctor said that there had been
>7 people who had died the past few years from heatstroke from
>taking X.  And their were mentions of the dread "brain damage"
>effect.  My impression was that this was all hysteria -- although
>I can believe that tainted drugs might have caused some "toxic
>reactions" if there is any truth in this report.  But heatstroke??

Well, if you've been dancing for many hours and haven't been
sufficiently hydrated (been drinking?) and it's a hot day or
you're in a warehouse with lots of other people...  But none
of this is any different from the standard problems you get at
big musical events where people get too altered to take care of
themselves.

Interestingly, MDMA'S damage to 5-HT axons does seem to be temperature
dependent (cold decreases it).

>-- 
>paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
>
>"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
>			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Poppies & Opium
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:36:19 GMT

In article <273.9208140617@ail.amdahl.com> Xanadu@kublai.com writes:

>	   Some time ago, somebody posted an article about poppies and
>	   using them for an illegal purpose. Since then, I have come
>	   across a field of poppies, and was wondering if the original
>	   poster, or anyone else, can tell me if all poppies are "useful"
>	   to some degree, or if it's species dependant.

>	   The reason I ask is that I would hate to think that I had
>	   uprooted an entire field and destroyed them in order to save
>	   the fabric of society, if there was no need to.

>	   The poppies in question are the regular red ones, as used for
>	   Remembrance Days.

>	   Oh, and just so I don't accidentally affect myself with these
>	   poppies ( if they are active ), can you tell me what I
>	   shouldn't do to them.

>		   Many Thanks,
>		       S.Coleridge.

Well, you kind of need Papaver Somniferum, or you're wasting your
time.  The common oriental poppy is only good for looking at.  You can
order Papaver Somniferum from Thompson and Morgan seed catalogue.  For
ornamental purposes only, of course!
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Robo
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:27:01 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <278@nsq.uucp>, amex@nsq.uucp (Toronto) writes:
>I have read a lot of "experiences" of Robotussen DM (Robo) but I have read
>no information on how "bad" it may be for you.  I have to imagine there is
>some reason for me NOT to try it, despite the stories of how fun it can be.
>
>I've allocated some time.  Should I?

You should be prepared for one negative side effect that happened to a FOAF. 
He puked his guts out.  After he was done puking, he said he enjoyed it; but
he said he would never do it again.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: scotc.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ginko Biloba Extract
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:41:58 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Who out here has experimented with Ginko Biloba?  How long did it
take to notice effects?  Is there a difference between products that
say Ginko Biloba extract and just Ginko extract?  I just bought some and
have started taking 3 doses a day but this is only the second day.

Also, how do I get the files off of alt.drugs archive?  They need to
be decompressed I guess.  how is this done?   thanks in advance

SAC
BoCoMo
From: bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Help Me Out Please
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:44:47 GMT
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access

If anyone could please help me out, i am interested
in learning about religions who use drups as forms
of prayer/communion anything concerning the use of
drugs in worship.. could you please mail me some 
information on the church/religion and/or where to
get it/more.. my internet adress is bryce@sdf.lonestar.org
thank you..


-bryce
bryce@sdf.lonestar.org
or my IceNET Adress
#664@2458
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Poppies & Opium
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:21:04 GMT

In article <273.9208140617@ail.amdahl.com> Xanadu@kublai.com writes:
>Hi there,
>
>	Some time ago, somebody posted an article about poppies and
>	using them for an illegal purpose. Since then, I have come
>	across a field of poppies, and was wondering if the original
>	poster, or anyone else, can tell me if all poppies are "useful"
>	to some degree, or if it's species dependant.
>
>	The reason I ask is that I would hate to think that I had
>	uprooted an entire field and destroyed them in order to save
>	the fabric of society, if there was no need to.
>
>	The poppies in question are the regular red ones, as used for
>	Remembrance Days.
>
>	Oh, and just so I don't accidentally affect myself with these
>	poppies ( if they are active ), can you tell me what I
>	shouldn't do to them.
>
>		Many Thanks,
>		    S.Coleridge.
>
>----
>
>" Anonymity is the preserve of the coward " - me, c.1992
>
>


 Well, if you've already uprooted them you have wasted a perfectly good
field of poppies. Haven't uyou ever seen those pictures of asian poppy
farmers cutting the seed pods after the petals have fallen? You slice the
pods with a razor and let the latex ooze out. After they have dried for a
day, you gather the dried latex.

St. Anthony

--
 If mail barfs, send it to the ip #: aankrom@130.253.192.68   

                       dAdaMatriX
      I've lost my memories to all my fears...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: is this advertisement a Sting?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:56:08 GMT

goldsman@CC.GATECH.EDU (Mike Goldsman) writes:
: 
: CANNABIS SATIVA SEEDS
: 
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Check Quantity Desired:
: 
:     O 1 oz./$50    O 4 oz./$135     O 8 oz./$230    O 1 lb.(16 oz)/$395

Wow - what a price to pay for bird seed. 

This appears to be a rip-off of the gullible. You will note that nowhere
does it say that these are viable seeds, or even that they are other than
rope hemp type seeds.

Save your money.

Bill
Organization: Junior, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:40:29 -0400 
From: Kevin Paul Goldman <kg1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: bong?
	<1992Jun22.171949.2275@ncsu.edu>

I can't speak from a chemical standpoint, but one thing a bong will do
is lower the temperature of the smoke so your lungs are not irritated by
the heat...


Mongo

Major: Kegology, Zygmetry minor
College : The College of H & N 0 Stress...
                                              2
"Once in your life you get shown the light, in the strangest of places
if you look at it right..." GDEAD
"Nothing Left to do but smile,smile,smile..." GDEAD
"These aren't candy..." Mike Cooper
"Whiskey, all you can drink..." Karim Hussain

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Mail interception
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:41:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.221518.11030@wri.com>, markm@wri.com writes:
>In article <yy4m1lj.bprofane@netcom.com> bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)  
>writes:
>I've always heard a hollowed-out bar of smelly soap works well.  I've also  
>heard (and this may just be an alt.drugs.urban.legend) that the DEA is training  
>some of its drug-sniffing dogs to go after the smell of coffee too.

Another suggestion:  If anybody out there is going to try something like
this, put a fake return address on it.  No, I didn't think you'd be stupid
enough to put your REAL one, but letters with *no* return address may arouse
suspicion.

>You mileage may vary.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ? (?)
Subject: Re: mace / nutmeg
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: vanderbilt
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:32:16 GMT

In article <9208190055.AA09022@ccsg.tau.ac.il>, liron@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL (Liron
Kapara) wrote:
> 
> I have heard mace and nutmeg (spice) are hallusinative
> is it true ?
> is there any danger in them ?
> how much and how should one consume for it to be activ?
> -liron

		Well, as I understand it, the reason you feel something from nutmeg is
because it anesthetizes your lungs -- it "freezes" them.  This also happens
to be damaging, and therefore something you might generally want to avoid. 
From those who do it, I get the general idea that smoking nutmeg really
isn't worth it.
		As for effects & dosage, I haven't tried, so I can't say.


MCG>
who?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Bannana smoking? 
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:08:50 GMT

dc@ais.org (David Daniels) writes:

>Does anyone have the recipe on how to smoke bannanas (sp) ? 
>Also, if you know if it works at all send me some e-mail .
>dc@umcc.ais.org

   Sure. Dry some banana peels. Put the dried peels in the bowl of a pipe.
Put your mouth around the other end. Light at match and put it in the bowl.
Inhale. But then, I don't see why the heck anyone would want to do this. They
probably don't taste too good.

   Oh yeah, do check _The Anarchist's Cookbook_ for a bananadine extraction
_recipe_. On the other hand, extracting something that isn't there sounds like
a helluva job to me.
-- 
Jani Heinonen                  "The worm is not psychoactive."
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 --David A. Honig
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Poppies & Opium
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:49:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
: 
: Well, you kind of need Papaver Somniferum, or you're wasting your
: time.  The common oriental poppy is only good for looking at.  You can
: order Papaver Somniferum from Thompson and Morgan seed catalogue.  For
: ornamental purposes only, of course!
: 

...OTJ also has a Papaver species that they highly recommend in their
usual veiled fashion.  "The ovary pods are of excellent size and
quality, although often stained with the abundant sticky latex." and
"Many people have written to comment on how nice this has been for
them."   The latter sentence being somewhat uncharacteristic of them.

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

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From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:52:48 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:

> Saw Naked Lunch last night.  Didn't get it.
> 
> Is there any signficance to the "bug powder" being pyrethrum?  Don't
> think so.  Is there any significance to the aliens being refered to
> as "mugwumps" (mugwumps being the term for Republicans who voted for
> Cleveland in 1884, and subsequently any political independent)?
> Maybe.  I've read "Metamorphosis" -- I think the references to it were
> overly self-flattering.  But what do I know?  Anyone read the book?
> Have a clue to share?  Did Burroughs really shoot his wife?
> -- 
> David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
> The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
> Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mencken

        I read the book. I didn't see the movie. I have NO CLUE. The book 
is prob'ly stranger than the movie.

---
Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:31:21 GMT

In article <Bt20xt.BF4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.173836.12965@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>>ala William Tell, and he predictably put one through her face.   He fled 
>>the country, but when he came back it was ruled an accident rather than 
>>murder.
>>
>
>Actually, he was found guilty of negligence in absentia, and given two years'  
>probation.  
>
I just read an article about Burroughs a few months ago, and, if memory
serves, the incident happened in Mexico, which is where they were living at
the time.

I dunno, obviously, I could be wrong, but the stuff I've seen posted here
just doesn't sound right to me at all...

-=Karen P.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: Paul Hager <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Court ordered AA (was Re: AA (Was Re: ...)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:46:02 -0500


Just a short response to Bob Cain's post.  Court ordered AA is
fairly common.  Here in Indiana, the step-father of one of our
ICLU people was confronted with just such a situation and
protested that AA was a violation of the establishment clause
of the 1st.  He proposed an alternative group that had no
religious trappings.  He has since been fighting the practice
of pro forma assignment of people to AA.  I'm not sure what progress
he has made on this statewide but I do know that he won in his
particular case.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MDMA neurotoxicity
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:28:29 GMT
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <36851@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Trevor Cederquist) writes:

>	I was just wondering if anyone has tried fluoxetine 
>	(ala Nichol's) after ingesting MDMA and whether or
>	not this alleviated any after-effects.         

An interesting question.  I wouldn't expect it to, since it only
alleviates neurotoxicity and I imagine that the after effects you
refer to are caused by neurotransmitter depletion and by the
psychological aspects of the trip.  As a side note, I think
fluoxetine will abort the MDMA trip if you take it too early.

I have a professional interest in this, having done research on
neurotoxicity at U of Chicago, so I'd be very interested if anyone
sends you private e-mail claiming that fluoxetine helped.  On the
other hand, fluoxetine has its own subjective effects and I think
it might be slightly euphoric.  Being in the process of moving,
I don't have any references handy to check that.  Anyone?
If so, fluox might mask the MDMA after-effects with its own effects.

If fluox has significant acute effects, this is a separate
issue from whether neurotoxic damage to 5-HT axons produces the
side effects you describe below.  I would say that those side
effects are probably inherent in the drug, since you get it at
non-neurotoxic doses of many other phenethylamines.

>	It seems many of the people in our circle have next
>	day effects which have been described as "a tendency 
>	toward catatonic-like affect", and "a general 'scattered'
>	feeling," and "an arduous reintegrative period."  I'm 
>	surprised Shulgin only briefly describes these effects
>	in _Pihkal._
>
>	Shulgin, as well as a few posters on the net, has developed
>	a post-use therapy to reduce these after-effects.  Anyone
>	with an 'effective' (subjectively so) plan, please post.

Eisner's book has nothing really useful to say about the day after.

>	
>ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
>Trevor C. Cederquist


   --Matt Baggott
From: pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip C. Kilinskas)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Inner Center
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:45:10 GMT
Organization: UB

jjf@cats.ucsc.edu (Jeffrey John Furman) writes:

>About 4 months ago I send $15 dollars to inner center along with a note 
>requesting a 1/4 bag of their religious substance 5MeODMT.  I have not
>received any sort of reply from them.  Does anybody know whats up?
>Are they still in "business"?
>Thanks,
>JJ

Someone posted awhile ago that Inner Center stopped selling 5Meo-DMT sometime
in March '92.  Since this stuff is supposedly still legal(in the US),
there must be some other way to obtain it.  I'm sure, given what happened
at Inner Center, anyone who knows wouldn't be too eager to spread it
around.

Phil
____________________________________________________________________________
pck@acsu.buffalo.edu /  "Our days are like grass..." - Psalms 103:51
Your eyes are weary from staring at the CRT.  You feel sleepy.  Notice how
restful it is to watch the cursor blink.  Close your eyes.  The opinions
stated above are yours.  You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise.
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: _Go Ask Alice_ vs. "White Rabbit"
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:12:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Aug12.074633.8758@genie.slhs.udel.edu> carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Carl Devore) writes:
>I'm curious which came first:  _Go Ask Alice_ or Grace Slick's song "White
>Rabbit", which contains the line "Go ask Alice".  It seems pretty likely that
>one is a mockery of the other, but I can't tell which is which.  I've always
>considered the song to be strongly pro-drug, but when it came on the radio
>yesterday my roommate remarked "here's a rare example of a 60's anti-drug
>propaganda song which became popular".  

1) "White Rabbit" is positive about drugs, in my opinion.  The whole thing
about "feed your head" is that acid is brain food.  I don't know that I
agree with that completely, but it was a prevalent attitude.  Adding to
that the fact that the Jefferson Airplane was formed out of the early
west-coast acid scene, I'm really doubtful that it was anti-drugs.

2) The album _Surrealistic Pillow_ came out in 1969, I believe,
and I suspect the book wasn't out until the early 70's.  Anyone
with concrete info?
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                      I want to be Robin to Bush's Batman