HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:02:46 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

pierce@spop.navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce) writes:

>In article <Bry2pH.7IG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>|> "hi, aslan....congratulations...and my best to yber too....glad to
>|> have you back..."  kitten offers aslan a hug....
> 
>    "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends !" DJ as Emerson,
>   Lake, and Palmer...

	"We're so glad you could attend! Come inside! Come inside!"

	<Oh...er...sorry! Force of habit...>

		Martyr. (Still trying to work out ELP's arrangement of
				"Fanfare for the Common Man" too.)

		\----------------------------------------/
		 |  Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk	|
		/ ---------------------------------------\
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From: brumby@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Subject: Re: Delurking a bird...
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:05:54 GMT


   The brumby pricks his ears, then whickers quietly. He hasn't seen much
of ArchTeryx for some time, and has missed him.

rcb33483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ArchTeryx) writes:

>ArchTeryx looks up from the Golden Gryphon for a bit, feather mites (sidenote:
>they don't like human skin or fur, so don't worry) jumping off of him.

>Ooops.  That's delousing.  Sorry 'bout that.

   The brumby eyes ArchTeryx suspiciously. Horses are prone to lots of things
that the brumby doesn't want to catch.

>ArchTeryx blushes then turns to the others.  "Sorry I've been gone for so 
>long...like the Golden Gryphon, my life's been seriously rough these days...
>I won't bore you all with most of the details (most don't matter anyway)
>but a couple of significant events did take place...

   The brumby reaches over and nuzzles ArchTeryx.

[...]
>"Fortunately, it looks like things are looking up slightly; however, only
>time will tell if I manage to keep this job, or how I am going to survive
>on half paychecks. :<"

   "You can only try. And you may well find that you can survive on less
money than you think, though it isn't nice. I lived for 4 months on no
income at all once..."
   The brumby shudders.
   "It wasn't nice at all. But I managed to even stay at Uni, since I'd paid
the fees already I really didn't want to leave."

[...]
>"Fortunately a mutual friend of ours came to the rescue and helped to fund 
>the trip; disaster turned around, and now I am looking forward to a visit
>from one of my closest RL friends within a week!"

   The brumby pricks his ears and blows down his nose.
   "Well, I won't expect to see much of you around the net then. You
should be far too busy having fun elsewhere!"

>ArchTeryx turns.  "Well, that's all for now...hopefully, I won't be drawn
>back into the lurker's world; unfortunately, by life being what it is, the 
>chances of my avoiding that are not good. :<"

   "There are people who will miss you."

>ArchTeryx sits next to his distressed gryphon and resumes brooding quietly.
>(Isn't brooding what birds do best?)

   The brumby puts one ear forwards, and one back.
   "I'll bet you're not half as good at it as I am. Give me a problem and
I'll brood on it for weeks."


(And now it's 6am. I really am going to bed. In a minute.)

-- 
     The Silver Brumby of          brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
      the Silicon Plains

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
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From: SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin)
Subject: Re: Pi is Three?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:14:22 GMT

In article <Brr9xH.8ut@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>bellman:
>>>>And on a lighter vein
>>>>
>>>>"A favourite thing of mine,
>>>>A new value of Pi to assign,
>>>>I'd fix it at three,
>>>>for its simpler you see,
>>>>Than 3.14159"
>>>>
>>>>bye
>>>>
>>>
>john:
>
>>>      "How I want a drink, alcoholic, of course, after the heavy lectures
>>>involving quantum mechanics."
>
>nightstalker:
>
>>"I should have thought that before would have been useful as well," pipes
>>in The Nightstalker.  To Dirac, Schroedinger and Heisenberg (who may have
>>been here!)."
>
>><crash>
>
>"but please always remember and don't ever forget...."rene descarte
>was a drinken f*art...." sings kitten....

Marie follows with a tone deaf, "I drink, therefore I am . . ."

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From: sjane@bmers248.bnr.ca (sjs)
Subject: Re: Stereotypes? Objectifying? thoughts..
Keywords: Perceiving, and then recognizing.. tainted by experience..? don't know..
Organization: Irrelevant, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:07:43 GMT

In article <76730@ut-emx.uucp> jodybean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (zaphod-) writes:
>  1) How much does our past influence our decisions on the present?
I would hope the answer to that is "lots".  I want to learn from my mistakes!
Not sure how good I am at that, though... seem to make some of the same 
mistakes over & over.... get in a rut, dontcha know.

>  2) What are some good ways of breaking out of this objectifying/stereotyping
>    that I sometimes fall prey to.. how can I tune my mind and way of living,
>    so that I stop seeing the differences as things which get in the way of
>    better understanding?
Whoa... objectifying & stereotyping are different to my mind, so I'll split
them up & deal with objectifying (what a horrible verb) first:

I agree with you that sex has little to do with love & all that good stuff and
lots to do with using the other person as a means to physical pleasure;
afterall, think of prostitution & one night stands.  I don't think this is a
problem if both parties agree, but it tends to get all tangled up... "If you
loved me, you'd have sex whenever I want to show that you love me".  So if one
person thinks that sex=love and the other disagrees, they are in trouble.  Add
to that basic disagreement the difficulty of talking about what is still a
taboo subject to many people and you have a recipe for severe stress.

Good Luck.  

Stereotypes.  Well, what I do to try to break out of them is to cite counter-
examples to myself whenever I spot an example which runs true to the stereo-
type.  But that's on the conscious level.  I can only hope that my 
conscious thoughts will trickle into my subconscious and gradually erode 
some of my early training in stereotypes.  I'm still working on it.  Those
"nice women don't do .." and "nice women should always ..." are really 
sticking with me.  Sigh.
 
One of my friends has the best way of dealing with stereotypes; he just
says, "Gee I don't really understand people at all. I can't predict how
anyone will act so I just wait and see."  He is the most restful person
to be with because he doesn't expect you to do or be anything in particular;
he just accepts you as you are.  This, I think, is ideal, but I don't
know how to achieve it!
 
>  3) At one point in this walk, I thought, "Gawd, life would be so much better
>    if I didn't even know the information to begin with, that is I was
>    deprived of all senses."   What do you think of this thought?
Well, yes, if we hadn't been trained to think that "all men are ..." and 
"all women are ...", it would be Great!  I wouldn't throw out all information,
though; just the learned prejudices.

Good luck battling your demons,
cheers,
sjs

--
It's not irrelevant; it's a hippopotamus.   sjane@BNR.CA
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Snow FantasyAnd now, back to the show:
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:19:59 GMT

StM's defense of cold deleted...

kitten says:
>>
>>"cold it okay up to a point...even snow (I HATE ICE...the only good
>>ice is in small enough cubes to fit into a pepsi glass)  but if it is
>>cold enough to freeze exposed skin it is too cold...i won't even tell
>>you about the year my pipes froze on christmas day...it was well below
>>0 and not only did i have no water...i had no heat (steam radiator)
>>that was how i ended up moving in with t.c. in fact...i had promised
>>to cook dinner for him since we were both alone that christmas....we
>>just moved every thing from my place to his...we had only known each
>>other a month...and we have been together ever since--well, i didn't
>>officially move till january...the was when the pipes that had frozen
>>broke and flooded my bedroom....

>The Didi-Sprite looks up from washing off the paw that Ramda got
>caught in the honey-pot (he may be no Winnie-the-Pooh, but he knows
>what's sweet!), and smiles:  "There are some who say that there is
>no such thing as coincidence, Kitkat!  Your frozen pipes might be
>construed as fortunate happenstance."

>>the only think i want to do when it gets cold is take my poor
>>frostbitten fingers and keep them inside...cuddled up to somebody with
>>massive body heat...."
>>
>"Ummmhmmm!  Most often that someone comes with the name tag:  TC!"
>And the -Sprite pats Ramda on his fanny and sends him on his way
>with a giggle.

"it's cosmic karma....!   }:)....

that is a good point didi...even if he has warped taste in t.v. (still
watching the outer limits marathon)  t.c. is warm..."

kitten smiles....

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

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From: salford@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Stephanie Alford 5850)
Subject: SEA goes for a ride
Originator: salford@orion
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:33:36 GMT



       >A blue cube forms. It is about 100' x 100' x 30' ( or about 30 meters x
       >30 meters x 10 meters. *about* those sizes... } There is a light inside
       >of it, seemingly a long way off in the distance. The light might be
       >headlights, maybe not. Its a little hard to see just what they are. In
       >the background you hear a song, a song by the group, 'Golden Earring'
       >and its called _Radar Love_.  Its got a beat, a rock beat;

       ><the lights are now seen to be tail lights of... a sports car called,
       >a Spider. The driver is alone. He is going somewhere, very fast.
       >You can hear the gears shifting up and down. Your point of view is
       >now just above, and in front of, his forehead.>

       ><sparkles in the passenger seat. can't look there,

       ><dare to look quickly beside, a woman sits there in what was an
       >empty seat... who could it be...>

       ><a driving beat: drums; guitar; a saxophone low and slow, sassy>
       
       ><back to the original beat>

       ><do I recognize her...>

       ><you can see the car from the left side now... DJ is driving ! he seems
       >to be in a hurry. His fat head blocks the view of who is beside him.>

       ><the car shifts into low gear. there's something way up ahead. A blue
       > wall in the road ! The car picks up speed, the tach goes to red-line.
       > The blue wall explodes in phospheresence ! The car and passengers are
       > unhurt even though the car is completely stopped from its former high
       > speed. They are in a meadow full of some rather different beings,
       > well different than usual Terrans. The car halts and Virtual Reality
       > DJ merges with his Real Life Self. The Passenger merges with her VR
       > Self. Its SEA ! They both get out, walk over to the Birthday Friends,
       > arm in arm. Seawasp, Dirbze, and The Grey Lady are accepting Birthday
       > Wishes from the Callahaners.>

       >    "Happy Birthday Seawasp !
       >     Happy Birthday Dirbze !
       >     Happy Birthday Grey Lady !" SEA and Dreamy Jim

       > "If you would like a ride in the car, just ask, but I think I'll drive
       > as Boss doesn't have a driver's license yet." Linda. :-)

"wow!!!!  That was quite a ride!  Love that back beat!!  I wanna go again!!
DJ does Linda really have to drive?" SEA asks.

"And yes, happy birthday SeaWasp, Dirbze and Grey Lady!"

SEA

Stephanie Alford			.sig line on vacation,
salford@monolith.lrmsc.loral.com  	maybe if you ask nicely
or				 	it'll send you a postcard
lunisea@netcom.com


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From: bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder)
Subject: Re: Political Humor - Duck!
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:01:44 GMT

In article <02cS03iR41Ao00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jesse@uts.amdahl.com (Jesse Mundis) writes:

>rmarsh@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>>In article <1992Jul20.214900.9339@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, brumby@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara) writes:
>>> 
>>>    The brumby is well aware that this is late, but that never stopped a
>>> punster!
>>> 
>>> telsor@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert Morieson) writes:
>>>>ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
>>>>>A supporter of H. Ross Perot is a Perogie!
>>>>Does that mean his supporters are exercising their Perotgative?
>>> 
>>>    The brumby ap-Perot-ches Telsor.
>>>    "Such a Perot-chial attitude Telsor"
>>>    The brumby rears up, executes a neat Perot-ette, and leaps away.
>>> 

>>  Stumpy grabs a handful of peanuts and hurls them in the Brumby's general
>>direction. "I guess this thread is going to have to be known as the 'Perot
>>Sketch'. There's more peanuts in this bowl so continue this campaign at
>>your Perotl."
>[...]
>>  "Hmmm... A toast then! To puns, it has been too long since we had a round
>>of 'em, the next round's on me..." Glass and peanut arc into to grate.

>Ahh about time another pun thread showed up.  The last one I was in was the
>frayed string classic after writing my birthday on the board.

><ahem>  Most of the Perot-chial voters liked H. Ross since he wasn't like all
>those other political man-eating Perot-nahs.  He was a Perot-gon of the
>community.  Some people think its a bit of a Perot-dox how a man like H. Ross
>got so much support without any advertising.  Some say he was engaged in
>Perot-legal activities, but I don't think so.  He was an unPerot-lleled
>campaigner, and had he stayed in the race, I predict his opponents would
>have been Perot-lyzed with fear.  Alas, we will never know.

>Jesse sits down, and awaits the rain of peanuts, pillows, tickles, or
>whatever may be incoming at this moment, and hums a catchy little tune.

>"Perot, row row your boat, gently down the stream..."


.sig deleted

The New Kid is laughing too hard to throw her peanuts straight and 
completely misses. But she's making Perot-perations for the next time.
Rotten pun, I know, I know.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Bernadette M. Sacksteder       Here comes your father!
Bsackste@afit.af.mil                -William Shakespeare
                                            Henry V
__________________________________________________________________
You mean somebody actually CARES about my opinions?
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From: JMPIERCE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (JIM PIERCE)
Subject: re: SEA takes a ride
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:41:39 GMT


"Hmm. Uhm. <blush> Okay, I'll drive !" DJ.

"Boss !" Linda.

"Linda, this is VR. Remember ?" DJ.

"Okay, but watch those corners," Linda.

"SEA ! Lets go driving in the Spider ! I have extra powerful speakers
so they can, and will, handle a loud version of _Radar Love_ !" DJ.


* <JMPIERCE@USMCP6.BITNET> Jim "NickD." Pierce; Bach. Sci. in Appl. Cmp Sci
* USM Academic Computing on the Gulf Park Campus. Disclaimer: Standard.
* "At least my initials aren't Dan Quayle." me
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From: sjane@bmers248.bnr.ca (sjs)
Subject: Re: Re: Responsibilities of Artists (was Re: Pornography and Playboy)
Organization: Irrelevant, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:31:09 GMT

In article <122420105@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:

>Thinking and reasoning is NOT proof against being swayed.  Many
>perfectly rational people get swayed by propoganda.]

Granted. However, I contest that without the ability to think rationally,
one is much more likely to be swayed by propaganda.  Common sense may be
sufficient, but, IMHO, folks should be taught logic also just to give them
another thinking tool.

>> Now, all this doesn't mean that I'm in favour of censoring, but rather
>> that I'm in favour of teaching, really teaching, how to think logically, 
>> how to see through rhetoric and how to see through propaganda.  I think 
>> this should be taught *early* on in school so that little kids can disect 
>> ads & laugh at their proposals instead of being swayed by them.  And I 
>> think it should be repeated later so that young adults can spot 
>> a politician's or a lawyer's debating tricks.  
> 
>And you think that this learning will not be affected by a hidden 
>agenda, a propoganda of its own.  [...]              

I fail to see that a hidden agenda will affect the end result.  Either the
subject gets taught or it doesn't.  If you are saying that someone's hidden
agenda will prevent them from teaching logical thought, well, I agree that
that is possible, but I think it would occur in isolated cases.  If you are
saying that logical thought will be taught, but that it will somehow be 
perverted to someone's desires, well, I do not see how.

>If truth, rationality, and the ability to penetrate propoganda were 
>the panacea you suggest, then all logical and intelligent people 
>would believe more or less the same thing.  

  *bzzzzt* faulty argument: conclusion cannot be deduced from premise.

In any case, I do not mean to suggest that logic is the be all and the end
all.  It *is* a useful tool and as such I think it should be taught. 

sjs
p.s. Leave us not get into a discussion about relative & absolute truth,
leave us not.
p.p.s. *pedant warning on* 'propaganda' has 3 'a's, not 2.
                           'separate' has 2 'a's, not 1.
--
It's not irrelevant; it's a hippopotamus.   sjane@BNR.CA
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From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: The Nightstalker makes an observation
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:46:01 GMT

"I apolgise for excluding the was Re: statement.  That is all."

--
The Nightstalker.....




"Though this be madness, yet there is
method in't." - Hamlet act II, scene II
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From: HF.TXG@forsythe.stanford.edu (TJ)
Subject: Re: Pornography and Playboy
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:12:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.205635.2675@midway.uchicago.edu>,
moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.202238.28738@news.iastate.edu> SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin) writes:
>
>>Do they put pictures in Harlequins, these days?  But that's beside
>>the point.  I don't *know* any women who by Playgirl.  As a woman,
>>I can't understand  the point men see in reading Playboy, but
>>I am more inclined to think bad thoughts about the women who
>>pose, rather than the men who look at them (perhaps wrongly).
>
>Huh.  I don't buy Playgirl...but I've certainly looked at the pretty
>pictures.  Same goes for Playboy, actually.
>
>I don't really understand why you think bad thoughts about the women
>who pose.  Unless they were forced into it (not likely for Playboy,
>but certainly happening in related porn areas), they are simply making
>a choice about what areas of their bodies they choose to display.  Are
>they any worse than the typical model on the cover of Vogue or
>Seventeen?  And if they were forced into it, why blame them?
>
>This all ties into the whole question of whether sex shops,
>pornography, prostitution, etc. really are fundamentally unhealthy.
>There are certainly plenty of women (and some men) abused by the
>situation, but does that mean there's something inherently wrong in
>the system?
>
>>--Marie
>
> - Kateri
>

I do buy Playgirl, and I've grown up with a father who read Playboy.
I don't find any of the magazines offensive at all. My parents
taught me that the human body is a beautiful creation and should not
be considered shameful. Also, there is that other thing...ya know,
anyone has the right to do whatever as long as their aren't hurting
someone who doesn't want to be hurt in the process....

TJ
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From: pierce@navo.navy.mil (James M. Pierce)
Subject: even more re: SEA takes a ride.
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:13:28 GMT

     { more. yes, more... }

   <whee> leapfrog over the satellites...

  "How about a change in songs ?" SEA.

  "Okay, what do I have in my suit here, aha ! 'also spake Zarathustra'
   and The Beatles doing 'Here Comes the Sun' !" DJ.

   <cartwheeling among the satellites...>

  "Sunrise is near, so why not do 'also spake Zarathustra' seguing into
 'Here Comes the Sun!' "SEA.

  "Fantastic Idea ! <wheeee leapfrog over another satellite>" DJ.

  { Boss, whatch out for that military satellite }

  "No problem Spider ! The suits are set to avoid them.
   Shall we hold hands while the sun rises above the Earth's horizon ?" DJ.

  "Well, okay," SEA.

                                segue
  'also spake Zarathustra'  ---------------------> 'Here Comes the Sun!'

  'Here comes the Sun !
   Here comes the Sun !'

(I have left much of the weaving in and out of the satellites to your
 imagination... Jim)
 
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:41:48 GMT
Subject: Frottage with the lovely Jeanne de Montfort
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

Here we have oblivion.
Ah Jeanne de Montfort 
You proved your honor well.
You did us proud, 
and now, this castle your ignoble shell,
the silent swell of nothing.

Yes the void breathes hard upon your heart,
Jeanne de Montfort.  Would you were here
my French born dear to cut my head
and bleed my lungs, 
upon which
dandy flags are flung.

Oh bloody bloody bloody great 
Oh Jeanne oh Jeanne oh Jeanne,
too late.

Jeanne I smell your courage, Jeanne 
I hear your eyes squirming in dark sockets
seeking for low skies.
But skies no longer
form cathedrals for your
deliquescent skin.
You beat them.
Did you win?

And now as my prefab walls seem stone, 
all I think when all alone, 
when real things still seem quite near,
I fear I fear I fear dear Jeanne,
that you and I have never been.
I fear that both of us just never were.
I feel our neverness grow and stir
within a ventricle:  that's all I've left.

The rest is cleft, and I just sit here
thinking, as I am sure you sat there thinking:

   Lovely lovely lovely
   oh yes oh yes oh yes
   sing once sing twice sing thrice and then

   voidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoidvoid



doug

7-24-92