HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: Re: quite unique
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:23:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.221451.14168@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, nadeau@bcarh1ab.bnr.ca
(Rheal Nadeau) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.192304.15503@nas.nasa.gov> asimov@wk223.nas.nasa.gov
(Daniel A. Asimov) writes:

> >Since there are infinitely more real numbers than integers, 
> >perhaps it *does* make sense to say that 1/3 is "more unique" 
> >than the number 2, in the above contexts.
> 
> Wrong - there are not infinitely more real numbers than integers.  If I
> had my university notes, I could trot out the proof, but in the
> meantime:  there are infinite numbers of integers and of real numbers.
> "Infinite" being an absolute term, you can't say that one infinite set
> is larger than the other (and certainly not infinitely larger).

If you had studied rheal analysis a little more, you would have found that
it is quite rheasonable to say "there are infinitely more real numbers than
integers".  This is true in two senses, one mathematically interesting, the
other not:

(a).  If you take the set of real numbers and remove from it all the integers,
      the remaining set is infinitely large.  

(b).  There is no one-to-one mapping of the real numbers onto the integers.  
      To put this in non-mathematical terms, if you were to "match up" the 
      real numbers and the integers, you would have to match an infinite 
      number of real numbers to each integer.  

Having said that, I will note that we do not usually say that there are 
infinitely more real numbers than integers.  We usually say that the real
numbers are "uncountably infinite" and the integers are "countably infininte". 
To a mathematician, "infinite" is *not* an absolute term.  It is true that 
some things are infinite and others are not, but there are degrees of infinity.
In the same sense, some food is cooked and some is raw, but "cooked" is not
an absolute term:  some food is cooked more and some less.  

I added that example for Ted, who was probably wondering how long it would
take me to start talking about food.  


Marie Coffin
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: How's it hanging? (was Re: What's cooking?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:02:23 GMT

[stuff deleted]

This is in response to hanging/hung. I have always heared that someone was
"hanged in effigy."

Tracey
Xref: sparky alt.text.dwb:92 comp.text:1403
From: hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu (Henry J. Cobb)
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb,comp.text
Subject: Need to find documentation on ME macros for Troff
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:46:35
Organization: /rubin/hcobb/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: fly2.berkeley.edu


	Please refer me to any books or net references on the ME macros.
--
	Henry J. Cobb	hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu	SFB Tyrant
		"What's the frequency Kenneth?"
From: news@crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb
Subject: Welcome to alt.text.dwb
Date: 15 Nov 92 08:03:00 GMT


                      Documenter's Workbench Group


  This group is for discussion of all of the parts of DWB, including
the {n,t}roff processors, macros, post processors, utilities like tbl
and eqn, etc.
From: Keith.Spears@f108.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Keith Spears)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Sleeping suggestions
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 10:34:00 -0600

DP>this is a very intriging area indeed. To think that when you fall asleep
  >you could be brainwashed would cause mass paranoia, and incredible
  >moral debates.

It is a well-known phenomenon in some hypnosis communities that people
who are asleep respond to hypnotic suggestion, with results similar to
suggestions made in a "typical" awake volunteer.  It does take a little
longer, though.  This also applies to surgical anesthesia - there are
numerous cases where a comment made in passing by a nurse or doctor has
been taken as a powerful suggestion by the "unconscious and unaware"
patient.  This little tidbit of information has (happily) not caused
mass paranoia, but (sadly) has neither caused any incredible moral
debates.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Control yourself, or someone else will do it for you.


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From: Keith.Spears@f108.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Keith Spears)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Hypnosis
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:37:00 -0600

LF-NS>Seems reasonable... but, from demonstrations that I've seen it seems to
     >be possible to alter the perceptions of a person under hypnosis. What
     >you've said above only seems to hold up if the person under hypnosis is
     >actually aware that the objects in question are a real gun and their
     >dog. Is it possible to suggest to them that the 'gun' they are being
     >given is a water pistol... or that the animal is a threating tiger or
     >lion...?

While it is possible to alter perceptions under hypnosis, there seems to
be no indication that you don't "know" (at least at some level) what's
going on.  It's not uncommon for people to discuss perception-altering
suggestions in phrases like, "I knew it was there, and I could've seen
it, but I just didn't want to look at it."  I don't think simply
suggesting that the gun isn't a gun, or that the beloved dog is a tiger,
is going to do the trick - the deeper mind may seem naive at times, but
it's not stupid.

On the other hand, I've never attempted a situation like that, so I
could be wrong.  If I were going about it, though, I think I'd start
with working on the person's feelings for the dog - maybe suggest they
don't like the dog, bring up examples of when the dog may have hurt
them, maybe suggest the dog needs to be put out of its misery - that
sort of thing.  Hypnosis seems to be much more effective in dealing
with mental constructs (such as motivations and beliefs).  Do it right,
and the person might even feel good about it afterwards.

Of course, I would never condone that sort of use of hypnosis, and I
strongly suspect that it still wouldn't work.  But stranger things have
happened.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * (this tagline intentionally left blank)


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From: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt - Nihon Sun US Office)
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Re: hypnosis
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:34:48 GMT
Reply-To: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempus.corp.sun.com

In article C26@ccu.umanitoba.ca, cweiss@ccu.umanitoba.ca (christopher gene weiss) writes:
>In article <Bxo7zs.7w@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>I have been under the understanding that one cant be made to do anything
>>that you wouldnt normaly under hypnosis so it would follow that atempts

>Secondly, what a person will do under hypnosis is a direct reflection on how
>they have been "programmed" by their environment (society in general and
>parents, etc.). Hence, if the subject under hypnosis is handed a gun and 
>ordered to shoot their dog, they will not follow these suggestions *ever* if
>this same person is afraid of guns and loves their dog. The only way that
>the subject will shoot their dog is to be convinced that their society's 
>values towards pets is different from what they know now.

Seems reasonable... but, from demonstrations that I've seen it seems to
be possible to alter the perceptions of a person under hypnosis. What
you've said above only seems to hold up if the person under hypnosis is
actually aware that the objects in question are a real gun and their
dog. Is it possible to suggest to them that the 'gun' they are being
given is a water pistol... or that the animal is a threating tiger or
lion...?


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From: Keith.Spears@f108.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Keith Spears)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Hypnosis
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 10:29:00 -0600

AKR>I have been under the understanding that one cant be made to do anything
   >that you wouldnt normaly under hypnosis so it would follow that atempts
   >to brainwash someone threw hypnosis to do something that they themselves
   >would have a real big problem with shouldnt work so it would have to be
   >done some other way.

In my experience as a hypnotist, this has been the case.  The trick is
figuring out what the "deeper mind" (to use a neutral phrase) will do,
and what it won't do.  Occasionally, it will do things that the "waking
mind" find embarassing or awkward, but I've never seen a harmful
reaction come from one.  More important, if an inappropriate suggestion
is given, it tends to have one of two effects:  it is ignored, or the
person comes out of the suggestible state fairly rapidly.

Please note, however, that this is all in the context of my experience
with a volunteer in a personal exploratory or therapeutic setting, or
in a stage show.  I believe that guerrilla hypnosis is quite possible,
and detrimental effects could be achieved if the highly effective
techniques of hypnosis were combined with other forms of brainwashing.
Not something I'd recommend, but it is something to be aware of.

If you're interested in the subject, I would encourage you to enroll in
a local self-hypnosis class.  It's quite a useful skill, and by being
more aware of your own trance states, you'll have more control over
precisely when and where you wish to enter them.  If you're like most
people, you spend a lot of time in your head, and self-hypnosis is a
very effective way of becoming more familiar with the terrain.  Of
course, I'm a little biased. :)

 * OLX 2.1 TD * You're getting sleepy... sleeeeeeeeepy...


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Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
From: bolakk@reis63.alleg.edu (Kimberly Bolak)
Subject: hypnosis
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:10:52 GMT

From what I've heard and read, and I don't claim to be an expert, the  
amount of suggestibility of any given person is different than anyone  
else's.  One person may follow a suggestion completely and with minimal  
hesitation, while another, from the same social background, etc., does  
only after several attempts.  And from what I know, yes it is possible to  
chance the person's perception of things.  I've heard you can get people  
drunk to the point of being able to tell them they're going to have a  
hangover by giving them soda, and having it work.

Kimberly
bolakk@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: alt.net.personalities,talk.bizarre
From: ausdal@ece.scarolina.edu (Thi Van Ausdal)
Subject: Re: Short, shameful confession
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:30:01 GMT

kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.172021.10979@rdg.dec.com> jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria) writes:
>>
>>>One question, what the hell is yorkshire pudding?  Seriously!
>>
>>My guess is, some kind of pudding invented in or by Yorkshire.
>[...]
>Fucking is when 2 or more people fuck.
>When you do it in Yorkshire, you have Yorkshire fucking.
>Pudding is when 2 or more people pud.
>When you do it in Yorkshire, you have Yorkshire pudding.
>If you want to know what pudding is, check the alt.pudding FAQ :) .

>BTW, remember the funnies that used to come in Fleer's Dubble Bubble
>bubble gum?  There was a fat guy named Pud who was a stock character.

>Lastly, I pound my pud everytime I pass thru Yorkshire (or Yorkshire
>passes thru me! :) [Worcestershire? never mind]
>-- 
>kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
>Subvert the Anti-Gands!		F-IW	MYOB

Y'all are weird as the day is long.  My thanks to Ken Johnson at Edinburgh,
who was kind enough to send me the recipe!!! 
To quote (mostly):
"You roast the beef in a tin that collects the meat juices, and you take
it out of the oven 30 min. before it is due to be cooked.  ...pour in a pint
of batter of egg, flour, milk, baking powder, a little salt, and put back in
the oven at a high temperature (200* Celsius) and don't disturb on any 
account for the last 30 minutes.
"The batter rises, sets to form a golden brown, soft but crusty Yorkshire
pudding; traditionally in most parts of England, you serve it with the 
meat, but in Yorkshire it's sometimes served separately as a first course.
It was evolved by Yorkshire housewives [go Ma!] during the hard times of
the 30's to eke out precious food supplies.  
"You cannot do it in a microwave." because it won't brown correctly.

Now we all know.  
Thanks Ken.

		Thi VanAusdal
Newsgroups: alt.info-theory
From: tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman)
Subject: Can a part be greater than the whole?
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:15:21 MST
Organization: University of Utah, CompSci Dept
Distribution: alt

Can a part be greater than the whole?

Specifically, can a part have more information than the whole?

At first glance, it appears not.  For instance, if you were to consider
the information content of half of a computer versus the whole, or part
of an organism rather than the whole it seems that the part must be less
than or equal in informational value.

but consider this, the whole is a sequence like this: 
1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
and the part is:
10110110010110101010010111100111110101101011110001000

Here, the part seems to have a higher informaition content than the whole.

So it appears we must also consider the method by which we extract or 
define the part from the whole.  

Therefore, would it be correct to say that the part itself does NOT have
more information than the whole, but the method by which we define the part
is that which contains the information?  This seems pretty weak.  It appears
that a part MAY have more information than the whole.

Xref: sparky alt.info-theory:68 sci.systems:150
From: elgaard@diku.dk (Niels Elgaard Larsen)
Newsgroups: alt.info-theory,sci.systems
Subject: Re: Can a part be greater than the whole?
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:07:10 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

elias@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU (Doug Elias) writes:


>My apologies (to alt.info-theory) for copying the original article in
>its entirety, but i'm including sci.systems in this particular thread
>and wanted that readership to see the whole thing:

>>  From: tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman)
>>  Subject: Can a part be greater than the whole?
>>  Date: 20 Nov 92 15:15:21 MST
>>  Message-ID: <1992Nov20.151522.26315@hellgate.utah.edu>
>>  Organization: University of Utah, CompSci Dept
>>  Distribution: alt
>>  
>>  Can a part be greater than the whole?
>>  
>>  Specifically, can a part have more information than the whole?
>>  
>>  At first glance, it appears not.  For instance, if you were to consider
>>  the information content of half of a computer versus the whole, or part
>>  of an organism rather than the whole it seems that the part must be less
>>  than or equal in informational value.
>>  
>>  but consider this, the whole is a sequence like this: 
>>  1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
>>  and the part is:
>>  10110110010110101010010111100111110101101011110001000

Bad example. I don't see why the second list of 0's and 1's is a part of the
first.

>>  
>>  Here, the part seems to have a higher informaition content than the whole.
>>  
Why does the second list contain more information than the first. Because
the 0 to 1 ratio is close to 0.5? But what about the list: 00000...11111. This
list ``obviously'' have a low informations content. By induction it follow
that the list that contain most informations is 0101010101010101 :-). Anyway
this is a old discussion on the net---What is the information content of pi.
Infinite? Is it bigger than sqrt(2) or 1/3.

>>  So it appears we must also consider the method by which we extract or 
>>  define the part from the whole.  
>>  
>>  Therefore, would it be correct to say that the part itself does NOT have
>>  more information than the whole, but the method by which we define the part
>>  is that which contains the information?  This seems pretty weak.  It appears
>>  that a part MAY have more information than the whole.
>>  
>>  

-- 
         Niels Elgaard Larsen          
         Institute of Computer Science,        
         University of Copenhagen      
         E-mail: elgaard@diku.dk 
Newsgroups: alt.info-theory,sci.systems
From: kscott@brahms.udel.edu (Nicole Lassiter)
Subject: Re: Can a part be greater than the whole?
Organization: Dis Organization
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:54:13 GMT

This reminds me of a anecdote from minimax.  Suppose you have a new coin
that you have flipped 1000 times and gotten heads 990 times.  Now suppose
you lock the coin and results in a drawer and go away for the night.  A
burglar (obviously eccentric) comes, opens the drawer, flips the coin 10000
times and comes up with heads 4510 times, tails 5490 times, then locks up
the drawer and the coin so you never knew he was there.   Did he steal
information from you?
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: rex@eng.umd.edu (Rex Root)
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:04:04 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <92322.164723SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> <SPOLINS@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>    we went to the Henry Ford museum in Dearfield, Michigan and the Auburn,
>Cord, Dussenburg Museum in Auburn, Indiana.  I'd be interested to know of other
>antique/classic car museums.
>

There is an excellent museum at the Indianapolis race track .. Included in
the collection are several unheard cars that were built in Indiana.


   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
   Rex L. Root, Jr.                 '61 Ford Starliner
   rex@eng.umd.edu                  390 w/three on the tree
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re:       Old Car Museums
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:33:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.120925.468@mwhhlaw.uucp> jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III) writes:
"	There is the Studebaker Museum at the site of the old  
"Studebaker plant in South Bend, Indiana.  It's not as large as the  
"Auburn museum, and I don't know that I'd travel 1000 miles just to see  
"it, but if you are in the area, it's a nice museum that you can  
"thoroughly cover in a couple of hours.  It is restricted to Studebaker  
"products, as you may have guessed.

there must be more than 1 stude plant in so. bend -- i read that the
humvees are made there in the [ex-?]ltv, ex-amc, ex-kaiser, ex-studebaker
truck plant...  i wonder who owns it now?
weren't avantis made in so. bend until a few years ago?

-- 
		+--------------------------------------------------------------+
Andrew Hay	|		one step beyond the outer limits  of	       |
a_d_hay@att.com	|		the twilight zone in the darkened room	       |
		+--------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: allen@cco.caltech.edu (Scott R. Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.antique
Subject: 1956 Facel Vega for sale
Date: 21 Nov 1992 16:29:59 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

For Sale:

1956 Facel Vega (V-8)

This car is very original and complete.  A good driver in need
of cosmetics (paint and interior).  No rust, California (black
plate) car.  Lots of things have been rebuilt or replaced -- engine
and transmission < 5000 miles, brakes (everything except the 
drums replaced), tires, battery, gas tank, radiator, hoses, belts,
water pump, electric window motors, fuel pump, carburator, electric
antenna, freeze plugs, shocks, front springs	...  
All that is left is paint and interior (very very slight body work needed).  

I think that even in this economy the car is worth about $25,000 and
that is what I am hoping for, although I'll probably end up selling
it for less.   If you are interested call me.

Scott
Daytime (818) 397-7314
Eve/Weekend (818) 798-5345
allen@cco.caltech.edu


I'm
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:15:33 GMT
 <1992Nov18.012808.15770@julian.uwo.ca> <1edrr8INNn2r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> 
 <1992Nov19.000625.15210@viewlogic.com>,<15558@auspex-gw.auspex.com>
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz


In article <15558@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr) writes:
>I know of a car museum in Sandpoint Idaho of all places. I don't recall
>the name though.
>
>Daryl

If you are down in this neck of the woods as in New Zealand,
Len Southwards car muesum is worth a visit in Paraparaumu,
off the Main Highway, North of Wellington. It is the biggest
car muesum in the Southern Hemisphere and features some great
classic cars :-).

Cheers

--
Red
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: siegela@deshaw.com (Andrew Siegel)
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:45:44 GMT

There is an antique car and plane museum at the airport at Owl's Head, Maine.
They have a terrific antique car show every summer.

-- 
Andrew Siegel			D. E. Shaw & Co., New York, NY
abs@deshaw.com			(212)478-0000
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.antique
From: jsanchez@halcyon.com (Jim Sanchez)
Subject: Re: Old Car Museums
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:22:00 GMT

It may be a bit off the beaten path for this group but a couple of
museums I have seen and can strongly reccomend are: (1)French National
Museum of Automobiles in Mulhouse France.  This is the fabled Sclump
brothers collection of Bugatti (>185) and has three of the Royals.  Lots
of other stuff too mostly European (no surprise).  (2) Museum of
Automobiles in Brussels Belgium - located in the Cinquintinair park with
lots of unusual european and us stuff.  Both are lots of fun for those
of us who grew up on us cars - see what was happening on the other side
of the pond.
Cheers
-- 
Jim Sanchez
Hughes LAN Systems jim@hls.com OR jsanchez@halcyon.com
Kirkland, WA 98033 (206)828-7417 (voice) (206)828-2454 (FAX)
From: petitp@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Pascal Petit)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: For Sale BUICK ELECTRA LIMITED 76
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:50:25 GMT
Reply-To: petitp@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Pascal Petit)
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.

BUICK ELECTRA LIMITED 76 for sale	Cause go back to France

Driven daily, runs great, body in great chape, very good condition. 160 000 miles

 I bought it five months age and I haven't had any trouble, will run forever. 
Well maintained : my roomate is a mechanic, we have done some work on it.

Rare auto ! Fun to drive ! V8, 4dr, white leather roof, power seat, painting in excellent 
condition. Must see to appreciate.

	900$ best of.

 	(days) Billerica 508 294 31 45
	(eves) Cambridge 617 547 21 44
Come and have a look !
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: kish@grandam.watson.ibm.com (Bill Kish)
Subject: WWII Jeep parts wanted
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:33:26 GMT
Reply-To:  (Bill Kish 518.789.4984)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Research
Keywords: Jeep 

 I'm in the process of doing a ground-up restoration on my '42
GPW jeep (Ford manufactured). I have been buying parts from
all the "usual" military jeep sources, but I thought I would
post this note to see if anyone has any parts or vehicles in their
area. 

 I'm looking for seats, sheet metal instruments, etc. I would 
also be interested in complete vehicles!

 If you have any info, please phone me or post a reply. 
 I don't have mail access at this time...

		-Bill Kish

		(518)789-4984
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique