HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann)
Subject: Re: Hormonally Enhanced
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:58:56 GMT

In article <22DEC199212151641@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>> 
>Well, does anyone else find that just having kids around makes you
>more prone to being moved by tearjerking movies? I've always
>been emotional, but it seems that since I have become a mother,
>I cry more easily at movies and commercials and some books (if
>you really want a good cry try 'Love You Forever', forget the
>author right now).

Yes, one thing I notice is that I cry for the happy things - for instance
the first time they do something, (now, every year Christmas is a new one too)
I cry when I know they are extremely happy about something you say or do with
them.  I cry all the time - and these are not my biological children.  (I have
lost four babies so I figure my maternal stuff is all intact anyway - and I'm
working on being pregnant again - and will know if this month worked the day
after Christmas - and I think it did work).


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: ultrasound
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:45:55 GMT

In article <168CCCA67.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>In article <1hq8vtINN3n1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
>cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter) writes:
> 
>>
>>don't), I wouldn't have one.  Ultrasounds are very *widely* used, but they
>>haven't been used for a very *long* period of time, and there hasn't been
>>much research into possible long term side effects.  They certainly seem
>>safe, but why take chances if you don't NEED to?
> 
>It's been about 10 years since I had my first ultrasound and i *think* that
>that was about the time that ultrasounds started to be widely used.  That
>is a pretty long period of time in my book, especially since the technician
>told us that ultrasound had been being used in the medical field and on
>pregnant woman for much longer (about 20 years??).  I don't remember the
>exact numbers (10 years is a long time to me), but using ultrasound during
>pregnancy is not a *new* practice.

I have had ultrasounds in both pregnancies. The first was at 37 weeks, to
try and estimate his size. For the second pregnancy I had it with the
amniocentesis. My doctor is not big on ultrasounds without a reason. 

Just to back up what Cindy said, and to point out something that Teresa may not
have thought of - Ultrasounds are *much* stronger then they were 10 years ago.
Also, while I am pretty sure there has been no connection between Ultrasounds
and later problems, the generation of children that have been subjected to
ultrasound have not yet grown up to have children of their own, so there is no
real way of determining if ultrasound could be damaging to the reproductive 
system.

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins)
Subject: Re: Lying to children
Reply-To: rcollins@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:49:17 GMT

I was wondering if anyone else out there is a scrooge like myself in not
wanting to lie to my kids about Santa.  I catch hell from every other
adult about it.  I'm going to give 3 reasons why I don't do lie
to my kids about it.

1.  I teach my kids lying is wrong.  Enough said.

2.  A few days ago my 5 year old asked regarding her friend, "why is her
mom so mean?" [Apparently, her mom had said "no" on several requests to
play, spend the night, etc.  and the daughter complained about her mom.
I noticed that the friend had been riding a new pair of in-line roller
skates every time I saw her since Christmas.] My reply to my daughter
was, "Who gave her those roller skates that she has been enjoying so
much recently?" My daughter answered, "Santa Claus." (I let it go for
then; we didn't have enough time to talk about it.)  I don't think it
would hurt most kids to know their gifts came from their sacrificing,
generous, loving parents, rather than old Saint Nick.

3.  [only applies to religious folk, not me] I especially wonder about
religious parents who, even after they just told their kids that Santa
was a big fat lie, expect their children to believe in another unseen
person (they know only through stories from parents and other adults)
for the rest of their lives.
From: hancock@Aero.org (Melody F. Hancock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: federal record service corp
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:02:42 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lotus.aero.org

I'm posting this to the net in hopes that others aren't
suckered into this scheme.  Yes, unfortunately, they
are legit.  However, I didn't get what I thought I'd get.
Basically, you pay the $15 and they send you the forms from
the Social Security Administration.  That's all they do.
You fill out the forms and mail to the appropriate office
of the Social Security Administration shown on the form.
It's been a while since I've done this, but I believe you 
also have to show proof of
birth (like a birth certificate) which the Social Security
Office will return to you within 10 days.  The Social Security
Office will then send you the social security card for your
child.  In short, you're paying a company $15.00 to provide
you with forms which are free to the public.  All you have
to do is call the Social Security office and request the forms!
Most accountants keep them in stock.  So, if you use an
accountant, you can get the forms there.  Also, benefit
offices at large companies also stock the forms.  

In short, you can save yourself $15 by making a phone call.
Basically federal record service corp is charging $15 for
forms that are free to the public!

melody
hancock@aero.org


Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 22:17:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.160227.24191@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> ajaym@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (alton.jay.mitchell) writes:
[I wrote]
>> What basis do you use to justify making this decision for the infant?  In
>> answering this question, I would caution you not to use false analogies
>> like comparing the circumcision decision to immunizations or any other 
>> decision that parents make for children.  With circumcision we are talking
>> about a medically unnecessary procedure, that if done to an unconsenting
>> adult would result in legal action against those involved.
>
>Whoa!  Wait a minute - I don't follow the logic here!  Sticking a
>needle and immunizing an unconsenting adult would definitely be
>grounds foa suit.  What makes you think that is any different than
>circumsizing an unconsenting adult?

The key difference is medical necessity.

>I don't see why a parent making a decision to circumsize their child
>is any different than a parent making a decision to remove their
>child's tonsils (assuming no existing infecction).  The point is,
>until a child is old enough (adult?) to make these decisions for
>themselves, the parents are responsible for making them AS THEY SEE
>FIT as long as the child's life is not endangered.  Neither a
>circumcision nor a tonsillectomy is endangering.

I don't think this is so.  By your definition, parents could remove the left
hand of their child (remember, this does not endanger the child's life).  I
think the boundary is a bit more strict than this.

Jim Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Second month on Clomid - no luck yet!
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:59:59 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]

Hello misc-kidder's

I have just started my period after ovulating two months in a row on
clomid.  I really thought I was pregnant this time - it is so hard not
to think so because I want to be so badly - I've ben pregnant four times
but lost all the babies to miscarriage.  

Anyway, my question is...

Anyone out there a clomid patient?  How long did it take you to get pregnant
once you ovulated?  I know it is normal to take a while but the last four
times I became pregnant the first month so this is HARD.  Just in need of
some reassurance I guess.

Toni

tbachman@seq.hamline.edu
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say (4.3 years)
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:54:39 GMT
Organization: nope


A few days ago, we had some friends over for dinner, with their 4
year old daughter, Rebecca.  When it got well past Rebecca's
bedtime, she started agitating to go home.  After her parents
showed no sign of moving, she asked me where I had put their
coats.  I said, "They're upstairs in my bedroom.  I'll help you
carry them down."  As we went up the stairs, Rebecca asked me "Do
you sleep in the same room as your wife?"

I thought her father was gonna die...


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: gboja@romenda.esd.sgi.com (Glenda Ramil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: federal record service
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:21:15 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

hi all,

I would like to thank everyone for their responses with regards to
the "federal record service".  Basically about 70% said that they
are legit and 30% said that they are not.  Although everyone agreed
that they are a total ripoff since you can basically obtain your baby's
SSN for free.

What I ended up doing is calling the SSN office in San Jose, CA and
they will be sending me the necessary paperwork to fill out for my
baby's SSN.  Obtaining baby's SSN has been bugging me lately especially
that tax time is just around the corner (baby is 5 mos. old).

Anyway, thanks so much for everyone's responses.

-- 

**************************************************************************

Glenda Boja Ramil			"No one can make you feel inferior
gboja@esd.sgi.com			 without your consent"
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Circum.: When Parents Disagree :-(
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:46:32 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <318@angel.UUCP> angel@angel.UUCP (Angel's Spot) writes:

   > I'm counting on you, misc.kidder's .... not to make the decision, but
   > to give some helpful advice ... NOT to debate circumcision, but to
   > relate experiences when the parents disagree strongly about it ...

   My husband and I talked it over with the doctor first before making a 
   decision.  My ob and the pediatrician both agreed unless it was for
   religious reasons there was no reason to have it done.  If you and
   your husband cannot agree, maybe talking to the doctors involved can
   give you insight on the pros and cons and you can make a decision based
   on the information you receive.  At one time it was the IN thing to
   have your child circumcised, but this is no longer the case.  Sometimes
   it helps bringing in a third party.

   Good luck.

Why is it that we parents think that we can make decisions about
another person's body (ear piercings, circumcision, etc.) just because
they happen to be our children??

I say leave it to the child. There's no medical reason to do it. If he
really wants to have it done when he's older, it can be done and it
will be his choice.

For the record: I'm circumcized and my son is not.

P.S. I use the word "my" as an indicator of relatedness, not posession.

			---Kayvan
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: fs@cs.tulane.edu (Frank Silbermann)
Subject: Re: About circumcision
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-25707]: caesar
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:30:39 GMT


># But, I am truely offended that now I find out no anesthetic is used,
># and there seems to be no reason for this, unless the rabbis seem
># to have the same problems as the catholic priesthood,

>--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
>  Actually, rabbis have very little to do with it.  It's purely a
>  medical decision.  Anesthetics, like ALL drugs, have their
>  downsides and infants are particularly sensitive.  On the other
>  hand, thousands of years' experience has taught that when a
>  circumcision is performed QUICKLY and SKILLFULLY, the child takes
>  it about as well as the heel-prick used to diagnose PKU.  (Hey!
>  there's another abuse we can campaign against!)

My rabbi (Orthodox) is also a mohel (i.e. he does circumcisions).
I've been to a few.  The babies cry for only a minute or so.
To desensitize the skin, he uses novacaine spray which sprays on cold.
Also, during the procedure the baby is given a wine-soaked
piece of cloth to suck on.  (Wine may be the oldest anesthetic).

fs@cs.tulane.edu
From: jxl@philabs.philips.com (Judith A. Lucian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Getting rid of pacifier
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:40:40 GMT
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.


Can someone please share with me their experience of breaking your child from
a pacifer and/or bottle?  Dominique is 26 months old and she uses both a
bottle and a pacifier still, the only time she gives them up is when she is
about to enter her nursery school because she knows they don't allow either
one in her classroom.  I've heard so many different things but I really don't
know what to do, I've heard everything from just letting her cry it out to
putting hot pepper on both items.
Please Help!!!
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:07:45 GMT
	<1992Dec18.011853.11794@intellistor.com>
	<ANNE.92Dec20213836@dolores.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Dec22.211607.8527@intellistor.com>
	<1992Dec29.153547.2597@mis.mi04.zds.com>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Dec29.153547.2597@mis.mi04.zds.com> ryonkers@mis.mi04.zds.com (Russell Yonkers) writes:

   grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun) writes:

   >I think that it can be tough to tell beforehand that the cord is
   >wrapped around the kid's neck, for example.  This can have potentially
   >devastating consequences, and may not leave adequate time for
   >transportation. I could VERY WELL be wrong about that; maybe it's
   >very easy to spot early in the delivery and handle it.

   The cord around the neck senarrio (sp?) is the best example of the scare
   tactics that many use to defend a hospital birth only mentallity.  The
   truth is that most "emergancys" are nothing but things to watch out for
   in any birth.  When I took EMT training we were taught how to
   handle situations such as cord around the neck (which by the way is
   handled by simply sliding a finger under the cord to make sure it
   is loose so the baby doesnt choke and if it is too tight you simply
   cut the cord before the baby is fully birthed)

Robin had the cord around his neck twice. Our midwife handled it by
sliding her finger under the cord and then unwrapping it from around
the little guy's neck. Simple, effective, low-tech, sensible solution.

Katherine also had her cord wrapped around her neck. Same exact
procedure.

Our midwife says that a wrapped cord is one of the more common things
she deals with.

			---Kayvan
-- 
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| Consulting, Training, Development, SysAdmin, {BSD,SVr3,SVr4} Unix Systems  |
| "Think Globally, Act Locally." "Only you can make your dreams come true."  |
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:41:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.210135.19604@jmb2.jmb.com> lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis) writes:
>Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about corporal punishment?  If I had to
>guess, I would say that you are probably opposed to it, perhaps strongly so.
>It is probably hard for you (and this "us" you mentioned) to let continue a
>practice with "no good reason" that involves a non-consenting third party.
>Frankly, it's none of your business, unless it crosses the line into child
>abuse.  Here's hoping it stays none of your business in the future.

Ahhh, and what exactly is "child abuse".  What if I took my 3 day-old 
daughter, tied her to a board, and without anesthesia cut off
her ear-lobes (all done under sterile conditions so infection was
unlikely).  Is this child abuse ?  If it isn't, why not ?  If it is,
why isn't circumcision ?

Guido




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: False Analogies (was: A few facts about circumcision)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 01:43:00 GMT

jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes:

>I would imagine that if a person were brought into an emergency room
>unconscious and needing an injection to stay alive, there would be no problem
>about not having consent.

I wouldn't be so sure.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
	<1992Dec18.011853.11794@intellistor.com>
	<ANNE.92Dec20213836@dolores.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Dec22.211607.8527@intellistor.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:25:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.211607.8527@intellistor.com> grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun) writes:

   In <ANNE.92Dec20213836@dolores.Stanford.EDU> anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson) writes:
   >Grun@intellistor writes:

   >   But what if things start to go wrong [in a home birth]?  I have
   >   no statistics, but when things *do* go wrong, (which they do,
   >   sometimes, and without regard for the health of the mother)
   >   there is frequently _very little time_ in which to intervene.
   >   An ambulance ride would be too long.

   >You certainly don't have any statistics.  If you did, you would know
   >that when things go wrong, there is virtually always plenty of time to
   >intervene, which is why study after study has demonstrated that home
   >birth is as safe or safer than hospital birth, for low-risk women.
                     ^^^^^^^^ ???
   >[Note that "low risk" is of course decided before the birth;

   I think that it can be tough to tell beforehand that the cord is
   wrapped around the kid's neck, for example.  This can have
   potentially devastating consequences, and may not leave adequate
   time for transportation.  I could VERY WELL be wrong about that;
   maybe it's very easy to spot early in the delivery and handle it.

My son's cord was wrapped around his neck.  The midwife realized this,
and decided to transport us.  We had enough time to hop in the car,
drive to a hospital 45 miles away, and wait five hours for the birth
to proceed normally.

   The point isn't whether or not I can identify a particular problem
   that either can't be detected or can't be solved.  The point was
   whether or not someone would be willing to take the risk (however
   small) that such an unforseen circumstance _might_ occur.

Or are you willing to face the risk that the intervention that happens
in *every* hospital birth will cause problems?

   The second point of my post was that a hospital delivery, for us anyway,
   worked out great. What I was trying to convey was that a modern hospital
   delivery doesn't always have the negatives associated with it that it
   used to. e.g., dad pacing in the waiting room, routine major interventions,
   newborns swept away immediately after birth, etc.

No, but the risks of a hospital birth are greater than the risks of a
home birth.  IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY.  In principle, a hospital
birth should always be safer than a home birth.  And maybe they eventually
will, when doctors and nurses learn to stop trying to manage the birth
process.

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Why didn't Santa bring me a car?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 06:48:03 EST

In article <marita_gonsalves-221292130133@gonsalves.lib.ncsu.edu>
marita_gonsalves@ncsu.edu (Marita Gonsalves) writes:

   > Our soon-to-be 4 YO is really keen on getting a battery operated
   > car & she is hoping that Santa will oblige.  Unfortunately (for
   > her), we do not want to spend $200+ on a single toy that is of
   > dubious value [knowing her the way we do, this expensive toy
   > will be tossed aside once the novelty wears off].  We've told
   > her that it would be a good idea for her to give Santa a wide
   > choice of things she would like to have.  We've also told her
   > that Santa has to give toys to a lot of children around the
   > world, some of whom have less than what she has, and therefore,
   > we should only ask Santa to bring things that are inexpensive.

   > Having explained to her that Santa has to bring toys for all the
   > kids in the world, how do we respond if she finds out that
   > "Santa" brought a car for one of her friends in pre-school.  Any
   > advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Funny, I seem to recall being on the receiving end of this same situation
about 25 years ago.  There was a battery operated remote control car I
wanted, I think it was called Crusader 101 or something like that (anyone
out there remember the days when they had some really neat Christmas toys
displayed above the shelves in the supermarket?  One of our favorites was
the Playmobile, but that's another story).

Anyway, I had indicated to my parents that I wanted it for Christmas, and
they basically told me to forget it.  So I figured I'd go a little higher up
the food chain and ask Santa for it.  It was after I asked Santa for it that
my mother explained a very basic fact to me that I hadn't considered, and
that you might be wise to explain to your kid...Santa will not bring toys
that the parents veto.  He may be able to get more stuff than your parents,
but he won't overrule them.

So if one of her other little friends gets this same car, the answer is very
simple...her parents didn't veto it.

Hope this was helpful.

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