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From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:25:14 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <85798@netnews.upenn.edu> sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.165357.611@athena.cs.uga.edu>, heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>> 
>[rehash of previous posts and new thoughts deleted]
>> 
>> Perhaps we should work on doing away with the stereotype that "real"
>> blacks are uneducated and uninterested in education. Or better yet, do
>> away with the idea that we all have to talk, act, and think a certian
>> way.

My thoughts exactly.  

>Do I hear an "AMEN" to that?  IMNSHO, the notion that "authentic" blacks must
>"talk, act, and think a certain way" -- which is not new, but seemed to gain
>in popularity in the late '60's and '70's -- has done more to erode black

The thought that anyone, because of <insert any physical trait here>
must act in a certain way doesn't seem to make sense.  

amy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: Violent crime stats from a reliable source
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:23:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.183144.13211@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Prejudiced Johns) writes:
>
>
>
>>First, if it's *by conviction* (i.e., in "solved" cases, in 89% of
>>the cases where the victim was white the criminal was white, etc.),
>>then the arrest and conviction rates of blacks and whites are
>>relevant, and may vary for many reasons -- not only bias in the
>>judicial system, but the fact that white neighborhoods are likely
>>to be better patrolled, blacks are more conspicuous in a white
>>neighborhood (than whites are), etc.
>
>
>More Black neighborhoods are patrolled than white naeighborhoods
>if you study the demographics versus the policeman hours.
>Check it and see. In my city (about which I have posted my EXTENSIVE
>research on soc.blah.blah.blah) the man hours are lopsided about three
>to one in favor of the black neighborhoods (before 1992 programs were
>began).
>
>Also, your statement about a Black being more conspicuous in a white
>neighborhood than a white in a Black neighborhood is false. I can
>tell you believe all of the hype that is shoveled on soc.blah.blah.blah
>and other places where Anti-white Pro-black sewage is prevalent.
>A white person who ever tries to walk through Creekwood here, or
>drives down Castle Street is certain to be mugged or killed. They are
>conspicuous to the violent blacks. By contrast, a Black man can walk
>through ANY neighborhood he wants in 1992 without fear of violence
>in this city. I bet Reginald Denny was conspicuous.
>
>
>

I just have a question : Have you ever been in a blsck neighborhood for
any extended period of time ? Why is is that whites tend to view black
areas as being violent when white areas are often refered to as "good" ?
I was born and raised in South Central Los Angeles and I've never been
mugged or shot at nor harrassed. I've walked in white areas and have been 
harrassed by the police and some of the residents. So tell me when was the 
last time you've been to the hood ?
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Speaking of ass holes...
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:07:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Aug19.045057.13389@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:

# >In article <36774@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu
# (David A. John s) writes:
#
# >Well, Michael, since you're not black ...
#
# Ooooooohhhhh, I *finally* get it!!!

Well, no, I don't think so.

# I guess I, as a White Person (tm), can't possibly be disgusted
# enough by what I see that I can't expect to be able to dog out the
# prejudiced White bastards out there to the extent that I do.

Wrong.  I encourage you to dog out every prejudiced white bastard you
run into.

For the zillionth time, what I object to is your characterization of
"the white man" or "white people," as if there were some racial
consciousness that manifested itself in the actions of prejudiced
white bastards.  Every time you say "white people don't understand" or
"I have to teach white people" or "that's typical white ignorance" you
are *not* talking about prejudiced white bastards but all white
people.  That is stereotyping and bigoted and ignorant.

# Of course, it *now* makes sense that Black People (tm) who do this
# can do so because, well, we White People (tm) need to let Black
# People release some of that anger and so forth; but, I, being a
# White Person, am *supposed* to KNOW better than to behave in
# "bigoted" ways. Why didn't you come out and SAY this months ago,
# Johns???

I see you've been taking lessons from the Republican campaign hacks.
This is nonsense.  I have often argued with blacks on s.c.a.a. that
there is no such thing as racial guilt and racial consciousness.  You
are the only person who seems to take such criticism personally,
though. Perhaps you don't notice postings that don't talk about you
directly.  After all, you are the only person here who uses this forum
to talk about himself more than about black issues.

# Enlightened, Mc

Not hardly.

David

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: MORE COURTEOUS STATS :)
Keywords: STATS
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: global
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:20:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.165209.29990@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
$I decided to do MY OWN statistics using RAW CRIMINAL FIGURES that were
$compiled from the state capitol to the Wilmington Police Department.

["stats" deleted]

$Source: the Wilmington Police department ( they called Raleigh and got a
$											printout)
$
$Don't challenge me you wimps, unless you are a powerful researcher like
$IIIIIIII AAAAMMMMMM :).

Naw you don't get away that easily.  I want the address and phone number
to the Wilmington Police Department and the NC State Capitol.  Normally most
people wouldn't argue with that, but you just talk too much SHIT.


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
"Jeeeeah this is the rap about the bat batman he is the one in black like a bat
out of hell he will reveal SCREAMIN DOWN THE ROAD IN A BATMOBILE!!!!!!!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:28:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.124040.8295@crd.ge.com>,
mmrwlm@sn116.uca (Wanda L McCrae) writes:
I am also confused (and more than a little repulsed) by the
Elvis-worship, but that is because I was never into him or his
music.  But many people take him very seriously.  I guess there are
a lot of people out there who need someone/something to worship, and
somehow they have settled on Elvis.
.
He was a poor white country guy who made good. That's his appeal.
The only Elvis song I ever liked was "Heartbreak Hotel."

I read a new book out about Elvis and his sojourn in the heart of
black Memphis. There are pictures of young Elvis hanging with black
musicians and performers. The biographer even stated that he may
have had a couple of black children because "despite what his
mother warned him" about, he wasn't passing up sleeping with black
women--and this is not National Enquirer stuff.

It makes me wonder, however, why people like Eddie Murphy are into
him, because the guy majorly expropriated black music and then a few
times, dissed our contribution publicly. Both Public Enemy and the
brother who created the Black Rock Coalition (his name escapes me)
and has his own band (somebody help me here!) have talked about
Elvis in their songs and raps about his attitude.
.
Since there isn't anything I could do about the post office's
project to get Elvis on a stamp, the next best thing I can do is not
buy the stamp.
.
There's a beautiful series on wildflowers now.
No lie.
.
I don't think he is worthy of having his picture on a postal stamp
because of his blatant drug abuse.
.
His (amphetamine) drug use started when he was drafted into the
Army, although he may have dabbled a bit before.
.
If he had quit the habit and come clean, that would be a different
matter, but I understand that drugs figured prominently in his
death.
.
They did, dear.  Even when he went to the White House when Nixon was
president, and Nixon deputized in him in the drug war (some kind of
honorary DEA agent), he was on them.  Especially when he shot that
TV screen out when Robert Goulet was singing.
.
(I have to check up on that to be absolutely sure.) When the
country honors people like him by picturing them on stamps, it makes
me wonder why the US is even bothering to fight a "war on drugs".
.
Just remember that before you pull that lever in November:
.
(1) Reagan and Bush, in order to "help" the contras, allowed the
drug cartels to mill that cocaine to sell to us in the U.S., and
started us all on that long, hard trail that has seen almost an
entire generation of black people go up in smoke.

(2) Bush is also on drugs. And I can document that.  It is a
drug that can make one hallucinate. He was on the drug when he threw
up in Japan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: 'Acting White'
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:11:27 GMT

In article <va6ml9l.barnhart@netcom.com>,
barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>
Amazing that to this day some so-called enlightened academics write
papers about Ralph Ellison and Mark Twain being "unenlightened"
because they insist on using characters with very distinctive
accents, as if the act itself were politically the most important
thing in the novel (i.e., is cause for condemning the whole book).
Zora Houston I'm sure will soon be on the hit list.
.
.
Speaking of Zora Neale Hurston, you're about 40 some odd years late.
Richard Wright and a few other people dogged the girl for
"spookism."
.
Speaking of Mark Twain, I always loved reading this dead white guy.
"Puddinhead Wilson," "Huck Finn," "Tom Sawyer."  Him and Walt
Whitman.  Dog me, yall, for 'PC' behavior.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jk1@pyuxd.uucp (Kudolo)
Subject: Re: Afrocentricity Conferences ??
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:17:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

In article <14AUG199212083677@venus.tamu.edu> eah0065@venus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR) writes:
>Does anyone out there know of any conferences on Afrocentric topics this
>coming year??
>
>

"500 HUNDRED YEARS OF RESISTANCE; THE COLUMBUS LEGACY AND THE AFRICAN"
            Searching for Truth abd Fighting for the Future

Nov. 13-15, 1992
Howard University
Blackburn Center
Washington, DC

snailmail: "500 Years"
           P.O. Box 53177
           Washington, DC 20009

yellmail: 202 234-9383 x281

I am not one of, nor do I know, the organizers. It sounds interesting enough
for me to spend a weekend in D.C.

----------------------------------------------------

Lecture:

September 13, 1992
4:30 PM
Dr. John Henrik Clarke
Afrikan Echoes
St. Rocco's Elementary School
Newark, NJ
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Republican convention [and Buchanan]
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:50:23 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug20.033944.20739@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes: [About Patrick Buchanan]
>The most overtly racist remark I have heard of was the "Zulus" and "Englishmen"
>comment where he stated that a large number of Englishmen could be assimilated
>#into the state of Virginia much more easily than a large number of Zulus.
>
>I picked this up on usenet some time ago:
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Why are we more shocked when a dozen people are killed in Vilnius than 
>[by] a massacre in Burundi? Because they are white people.  That's who 
>we are.  That's where America comes from."
>
>-- Pat Buchanan, interview with London Sunday Telegraph, quoted in
>   Newsweek, 1/27/1992.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Oh my God. I always knew Buchanan was only a half-step away from David
Duke. Now I know he's even closer than that.  They probably have the
same shoe size.

Anyway. This whole election year bit is sending mutliple chills down
my spine. Part of me just really want to back up and bug outta this
country and let the bastards have it.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:45:55 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <g84m0#q.barnhart@netcom.com> barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>>From what I've heard (and gathering info on Elvis is NOT one of my hobbies),
>>he mainly abused legal drugs.  Would you feel the same way if Elvis had been
>>a heavy smoker and had died of lung cancer?
>
>Where do _you_ live, Raleigh-Durham?  Because the rest of the country
>has about had it wit smokers in public.  Remember that Andy Rooney
>obituary for Harry Reasoner where, instead of ending it talkin about
>what a wonderful old rascal that Harry had been, god I'll miss him, no,
>Rooney looks into the camera and backstabs his old pal for always
>smoking.  Not that stabbing would do old dead Harry Reasoner any harm,
>but it's socially significant that he'd do that instead of eulogize.

Right, but my point was whether Elvis' problem with drugs should be an issue
when deciding to honor him with a postage stamp.  I'm sure the idea was to
recognize his musical "contribution", not to endorse his way of life.  If
they decide to create stamps honoring Charlie Parker, Jerry Lee Lewis, or
Miles Davis (for all I know they've already done it), it would be because of
their musical ability, not their lifestyles.

By the way, Raleigh recently passed an ordinance banning smoking in all
public buildings in the city.  That may not seem like a big deal, but it
was a significant step for the captial of the nation's top tobacco-producing
state.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:02:28 GMT
	<1992Aug13.161956.27833@seq.uncwil.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 16:19:56 GMT

frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
|>Do you know that most people on welfare are not African-American,
|>but white and female with 2-3 kids?  And whites are on Social
|>Security as well.  Older...white...people. Underage children
|>whose parents have died and are under the care of a guardian.

|Blah Blah Blah, I checked and found out the answer to all of this
|BULLSHIT about welfare being mostly white; and IRONICALLY fifty
|percent of welfare claims are Black people. And one third of the total
|aid (Social Security, welfare, and WICS combined) go to black people.
|Black people make up almost 12 PERCENT of the total U.S. population.

Actually this is incorrect--in fact it's almost a numerical
impossibility.  Can you cite your source?

|>Black people are 10% of the population.  Just that and no more.  Why
|>we are blamed for having all the money in Amerikkka (with
|>emphasis on the KKK) is continually beyond my comprehension.

|>This man--really this THING--is not informed.

|Looks like I just informed you. You need a freshmen level stats course.

I'm sorry, but this is another non-sequitur.  There is no logical
connection in the two sentences above, given the context of the
posting.  Please try again, later.
--
Peace.
   "There is a difference, the true seditionist would argue, between a
   revolution and a gesture of macho defiance.  Gestures ares cheap. They
   feel good, they blow off some rage.  But revolutions, violent or
   otherwise, are made by people who have learned how to count very
   slowly to 10."
                          -Barbara Ehrenreich
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: Amy Young Leith <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:32:57 -0500

In article <36733@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
(Comment from someone that they had never heard of the term BEV.)

>"Black English Vernacular" was the name given the dialect as it
>existed in the 60s, mainly in urban areas, although it had clearly
>been imported from the rural South.  It was clearly different enough
>to warrant being called a dialect, not just on the basis of
>pronunciation, but real grammatical differences, like a very different
>set of verb tenses.  How much this dialect is holding up today isn't
>very clear.  In 1965 there were relatively few poor families with TVs,
>and not much on them to keep kids amused in any case.  Now, of course,
>even the poorest kids are surrounded by the sounds of Standard English
>from birth.

>I think what you're probably hearing from black high school kids today
>is a distinctive accent, which blacks tend to maintain for group
>identity just as New Yorkers, Southerners, the Irish, etc., do, plus a
>collection of slang expressions that also reinforce the in-group
>feeling.  I don't think it's grammatically distinct enough to be
>considered a separate dialect, though.  In fact, the grammatical
>differences from "educated" English are basically the same ones used
>by  English speakers round the world.

Being your average middle class Midwestern whitey, I never *realized*
something until I had a linquistics class... it's just another
dialect.  I always viewed it as "not speaking right" and "butchering
the language" as well.  Until in that class it dawned on me, "DUH... a
whole group of people purposely speak this way and have formed clear
rules, meanings, etc.  It's just as worthy a dialect as Jersey or
whatever."  Another realization of the racist tendencies I grew up
under. 

amy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: crawford@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: "Daughters of the Dust" ....Wow!
Organization: University of Chicago  AI Lab
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:44:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.140011.2810@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
(Terrance Heath) writes:
>
>	Finally, I have seen "Daughter's of the Dust", and I am still
>amazed by it this morning. Why has it taken so long for such a film to
>be made?  And why couldn't the folks at Canne "understand it"? What's
>to understand?  Perhaps the Gullah dialect was lost on them, and
>subtitles might have helped (certainly got me through my share of
>European films of various types).
>	Thank God for the VCR, because I now have it on tape and will
>be able to watch it again and again and again. Thank God for PBS, for
>having the sense to show the movie. Thank  God for Julie Dash for
>obvious reasons.
>
>-- 
>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>			-Joseph Beam_
>Terrance Heath 
>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
>

I too had the good fortune of seeing DOTD on PBS recently, and it is a visually
beautiful, emotionally powerful movie.  (I can't recall any other film that
reminded me more of Teri Morrison's work.)  I hope that more and more films
will be made that succeed in showing something real and honest (and yes,
spiritual) about people of African descent.

Paul

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: charlie@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charlie Channel, Jr.)
Subject: Re: >> " Acting white "
Keywords: discriminate
Organization: Stanford U
Distribution: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:32:56 GMT

In article <Aug.13.17.39.56.1992.3078@finesse.rutgers.edu> cadet@finesse.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean) writes:
>  As soon as I said these words,
>my brother, my own brother, says to me:
>"you talk like a white man"

Well, if he ever says that again, just say:  "Nope, sounds just like
Charlie Channel's father."  He may not understand.  But, I do.

	;^)

C
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Speaking of white bigots ...
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:06:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Aug14.222604.6413@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:

# You know, this question epitomizes your bigotry and perception
# based on stereo- types. I've spent everyday since high school
# showing white, middle-class suburbanites how a boy from my
# neighborhood can kick their asses in the academics

Well, Michael, since you're not black ...

# another bro and I

(I hope I'm not betraying any secrets)

I assume you're saying that only white people are prejudiced against
disabled "white trash".

# I'd be careful in associating "white trash", black people, the
# disabled, or any other group with stupidity, as you've so
# eloquently done here.

On the other hand, there's no problem in associating "white,
middle-class suburbanites" with bigotry, as you do so ineloquently,
but consistently.

# Step off, son. Leave the thinking to the big boyz.

Good advice, Michael.

David