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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Question on TPBs for Sandman
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:03:49 GMT
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Organization: New York University

frambs@acpy01.att.com (Ken Frambs (CXNIXPT1)) writes:


>Would anyone have a list of all the Sandman TPBs that have
>come out and which issues are collected in each volume? I'd
>appreciate if someone could send me email with such a list
>(if available).

>Thanks -
>ken
>frambs@acpy01.att.com

	_Preludes and Nocturnes_  -issues 1-8
	_The_Doll's_House_        -#8-16    (yes, 8 was repeated)
	_Dream_Country_		  -#17-20
	_the_Season_of_Mists_	  -#21-28

There's also a rumor going around that the Distant Mirrors and
Convergence stories are being collected together in a book called 
_Accounts_and_something-or-other;  any1 know if there's gonna be a 
_A_Game_of_You_ TPB coming soon?

	-Darkmage
From: jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (James D. Zelenka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: misc stuff
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:57:42 GMT
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Dani Zweig@netcom.com (3811)

> >Stanley and His Monster: <snicker>. I like Foglio.

> It's good stuff, as was his Angel and the Ape retcon.  I'm looking
> forward to seeing what he does with the Inferior Five.

Does this mean the Inferior Five will be appearing in Stanley, or is
Foglio gonna do a separate series with them (hope hope hope :-). I liked
Bunny in his Angel and the Ape mini...

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:34:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.204837.6949@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>>So, anybody can beat that?
>
>Yep.  Rorschach.  He was arguably the main character of Watchmen, and his death
>was fairly unexpected, and HE DIDN'T COME BACK! 

Well, the high school teacher that got me reading comic books was hoping 
there'd be a Watchmen II.  His justification:  Who has a greater sense of will
than Rohrschach.  I mean Dr. Manhattan went through the same damn thing, and
recorporated into one of the most powerful beings in the universe.  Our ol'
buddy ought to do at LEAST that much.  Think of the implications:  the power
of Manhattan, and the mind of a pstchopath.  Betcha Ozzy never saw THAT coming.

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: IMAGE: WildCATS #3...!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:31:08 -0600
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Joel (jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com) writes:

>Image No-Prize time:  Who can explain where Maul's wings/horns go when he's
>facing away from you?  There's only there when you view him from above/front.

Ah, you've found their secret.  Maul's appendages are one-dimensional (much
like the rest of his character).

------------------------------
                             |     "What's that noise?" I asked Val.  "Sounds
Jim Drew                     | like an electric razor."
jrd@frame.com                |     "Ron's shaving," I was told.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Shaving?  Ron?  The guy who thinks everyone
"Innocent, but not naive."   | would look better with a beard, even Madonna?"
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "Who said anything about shaving his
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *beard?*" Val said, and scratched idly at his
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | chest.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Comics Readers' Ages (was Re: PAD & Pros)
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:02:17 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>Oh, I think there's tons of artists (ranging from producers of comics to
>producers of movies and TV shows to producers of pretty much anything that
>requires an audience) who have developed significant contempt for their
>audience.  The concept that "They wouldn't know quality if it came up and
>bit them on the ass."  The unfortunate aspect--if we can judge by the 
>failure of many worthy projects because no audience was found, and the
>success of many unworthy projects because people flocked like sheep--is that
>there's a kernel of truth in this attitude.

>But where an artist fails himself, and his audience--and where he or she
>becomes contemptible--is when the artist says, "They wouldn't know quality
>if it came up and bit them on the ass...and because of that, I'm not going
>to give the work my best effort.  I don't care because they don't care."
>That is a rotten attitude for any creator to have.

I think McFarlane shows a degree of contempt for his audience
in his Comics Journal (I think) interview where he basically
says he doesn't care if his writing is good, the only thing
that matters is that people buy it\like it. It is either
contempt or stupidity.

jed
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From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: RAI #0
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:09:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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I know that RAI #0 sets the future for the Valiant Universe.  I just
hope that the popularity or "unpopularity"??? of certain characters
doesn't make Valiant change the future.  It's bad enough that 
Marvel changes time lines with people coming back and forth from the
future.  The future should be the future, period.

I had hoped that RAI would not continue, that Future Force would be
a different comic.  RAI was the first Valiant comics that I collected
and he was my favorite character.  It seems almost sacreligious to
continue.  That's just my opinion.  Also instead of these team
comics, such as Secret Weapons, Future Force, maybe a comic based on
the geomancers or from Harada's point of view would be kind of cool.

Any other ideas?

Howard
-- 
Howard Shiau                       bc751@cleveland.freenet.edu
Cosyde Corporation                 
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:42:34 GMT

praxis@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Laura L Perkinson) writes:
>	Someone PLEASE tell me that the guy who did the art in the Sandman
>story won't be drawing the comic ever ever again! Lord that was wretched
>looking stuff.

Not when compared to what we've got now!
-- 
It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety.
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From: @apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine)
Subject: Re: Action Comics 686 (clones)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:58:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1ijuv3INNdna@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
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|> Well it looks like the clone theory will be a reality. The project
|> head of the Camdus Project had Superman's body stolen from his tomb,
|> and will be attempting to clone him using the same methods they used
|> to heal the Guardian. There was much debating as to if it would work
|> since the Guardian was still alive when the process was done, and they
|> wouldn't have to mind to put in the new body. Dubilex may be able to
|> project a Superman persona into the clone, from past mind melds with
|> Superman. Also they can't figure out how to get a DNA sample since
|> Superman is still invulnerable.

I hope this isn't the final solution. They may make clones but I can't believe
that we will never get the "original" back. I think this is a plot device to
waste some time until DC is ready to bring him back...sigh...

By the way I think the writing has gotten better on the FFAF issues. Then again
the death was so bad that it wouldn't take much. Still I am enjoying the 
writing more. We see a totally freaked out Lex Luthor, which is neat. I thought
the Christmas issue was a little too focused on just one story. 

--Jennifer
jlevine@apollo.hp.com
From: J.S.Pope@cm.cf.ac.uk (scmjsp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Jademan Comics
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:28:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
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Just a quick note I don't know if anyone out there reads any jademan comics
such as :
		Blood Sword
		Blood Sword Dynasty
		Drunken Fist
		Force of Buddha's Palm
		Iron Marshall
		Oriental Heroes

I was just reading the latest issue of I think Issue 53 Oriental Heroes
where there was a notice saying that all the above titles were finishing in
two issues time , and that Jademan would be starting new lines sometime in
the future . Any comments, I for one feel that the clearing up of the current
storylines could involve a serious botch job in some cases

			Jason
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy and . . . Spiderman!!??
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:17:53 GMT

>Believe it or not, I just got my April order form for Westfield Comics' 
>subscription service, and they state that R&S #6 will feature a 
>visit by Spiderman, who will be helping our heroes find Powdered
>Toast Man who has turned into a "cereal killer."
>
>Sigh - I suppose I knew it was only a matter of time; any bets on 
>how soon it'll be before Ghost Rider, Cable, and Wolverine will show 
>up, too?

I don't think that MArvel would stoop quite that low (but it is
possible). However, the concept does sound quite funny. The "Cereal
Killer" bit is obvious, but it did make me laugh.  If it is done right
it could be okay. Not that I'll be picking it up. $2.25 CAN for that
comic is just a little bit too much.

-Craig

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From: DrAllosaurus@cup.portal.com (Samuel DrAllosaurs Crider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: VERTIGO: How much should we buy?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 11:46:27 PST
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  <1993Jan8.201507.27911@news2.cis.umn.edu> <C0MIL0.D7q@athena.cs.uga.edu>

Wow. That's a thought worth thinking: a Vertigo LSH book.
Cool.
Remember the Legion appearance in Books of Magic? Imagine an entire
series done in that style.

Too bad we have to watch the premise begun in the begining of the new series
get watered down, issue after issue.

At least they don't have code names....

Dr.Allosaurus                
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Justice Society #7
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:02:17 GMT

As to Atom being a physicist...he WAS a physicist, some time ago.  As a current
Physicks grad, I wince at the very prospect of getting even a year or two out 
of practice, but a decade (or more)???  I think Atom would have looked at the 
five rooms filled with back issues of the Physical Review waiting at his house 
and decided to try a new line of occupation.
     Of course, he should still *think* like a physicist, but that isn't a very
narrow classification when you get right down to it.
     Dave Van Domelen, recalls that physics would advance even faster with all 
those super-genii around...shudder.
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Grendel #6
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:57:36 GMT

Did anyone else find this issue to be a vast improvement over the past
episodes?
The artwork was crisp, and the storytelling clear.  There was some
truely dynamic pages in there.  And on top of it all, the story seems
to be reaching some sort of revelation.  The ending (SPOILERS) with
the enterence of the mystery soldiers seems to tell of a question and
answer session next issue, and besides with a title like "Devil in
Chains" how can we go wrong?  This series is really starting to look
up for me.  I can't wait to read it as a whole....
  Also, in the letter column, hints of Mage II!!!
-- 
This is my sig file.
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Action Comics 686 (clones)
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:45:45
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu's message of 8 Jan 93 23:23:59 GMT

>>>>> On 8 Jan 93 23:23:59 GMT, vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) said:

vanyel> In <1993Jan8.211058.12461@sol.UVic.CA>
vanyel> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:

>In article <1ijuv3INNdna@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>Well it looks like the clone theory will be a reality. The project
>>head of the Camdus Project had Superman's body stolen from his tomb,
>>and will be attempting to clone him using the same methods they used
>>to heal the Guardian. There was much debating as to if it would work
>>since the Guardian was still alive when the process was done, and
>>they wouldn't have to mind to put in the new body. Dubilex may be
>>able to project a Superman persona into the clone, from past mind
>>melds with Superman. Also they can't figure out how to get a DNA
>>sample since Superman is still invulnerable.

jcowling> His hair isn't invulnerable.

vanyel> His hair *is* invulnerable.  That's why he had to cut it with
vanyel> his own heat vision.

True. He shaves my relecting his heat vision off a piece of metal from
the space ship he arrived on Earth in. Besides, if his hair wasn't
invulnerable, it would have been burned off long ago.

--
 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: DC: misc stuff
Organization: Boo! 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:35:55 GMT

In <1993Jan10.174005.8481@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan):
>>I was wondering if it is simply a vocal group here that don't like ST, or
>>if it is really the majority. I'm not flaming or raising doubts, I'm just
>>genuinely curious.

>How can one know?  After all, the silent majority is, by definition,
>silent.  It's certainly not the case that there's an anti-Collins clique
>that bemoans whatever she does:  There's been virtually no mention of
>Swamp Thing on this group for a while, except for the recent spate
>which was inspired largely by the Vertigo preview.  Some of the readers
>who dislike the current ST felt strongly enough about it to say so,
>and those who like it didn't.

I tried the first four or five issue's of Collins' run.  Her stuff is
certainly better than Doug Wheeler's awful run, but then again I find
major surgery to be more pleasant than was reading Wheeler's Swamp
Thing.  I actually liked a number of the elements Collins brought in
to the story, especially her attempt to give the place in which Swampy
lives more of a distinctive atmosphere, but her stories just never
seemed to jell for me.


Greg
From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: VERTIGO: How much should we buy?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 08:18:08 GMT
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In article <C0MIL0.D7q@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar) writes:

>>Animal Man #57: They're starting a new storyline here. I may buy the
>>the three issues of the storyline just to see how it goes. I never
>>really got the hang of AM.  
>
>Me neither.  I'm starting to think more and more that the only reason I
>liked Jamie Delano's writing before was because John Constantine is such
>a great, near-impossible-to-f*ck-up character.  

Hmm. I would actually say that its the opposite : that JC is a remarkably easy
character to screw up. JC is a great character, because he's so 3-D, far more
that most other characters in comics. Handling JC requires getting the mix
just right : he has to be arrogant, sneering, manipulative and a real SOB or
he wouldnt be JC, on the other hand he also has to be guilt-ridden, and evoke
some sympathy from the reader. He has to battle powerful and very real mena-
ces, but without becoming Dr. Fate. He has to be an off-white knight, as Za-
tanna called him once. You also have to keep him mysterious but reveal enoug-
h to keep readers interest up. Get the mix wrong and it isnt Constantine, but
a vile impostor. 

So why haven't we seen more f**ked up versions of JC ? Its because the much
maligned editorial folk at DC have kept a pretty tight leash on JC, allowing
him to be used (excluding  cameos) only by a select bunch of writers and
artists. [ This has also lead to the JC clones like Kipling and co., but I
digress]. Most of the writers who have used JC : Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Rick
Veitch, Jamie Delano, Garth Ennis are either excellent writers or seem to
have a strong handle on the character (or both) and that has made JC stories
generally very good. 

An example of a terrible portrayal of JC is by Collins in Swamp Thing about a
year and a half ago : to me that was not Constantine, but a combination of a
Gorilla, Batman and Lobo (i.e. someone to attract sales). An example of a 
portrayal that is slightly off was Rick Veitch's treatment of him in Swamp
Thing. I liked Veitch's run a lot, but I thought his JC was simply too unsymp-
athetic and unlikeable [he let a whole aeroplane full of people crash at one
time]. I always thought the reason Jamie Delano did one issue of Swamp Thing
(#77, at the end of the conception of Tefe) was to portray a more likeable 
Constantine. 

As for Delano, I think he's an excellent writer overall (although his last
issues of Hellblazer were a low point). Remember that at the time he started
writing JC, almost nothing was known about JC except the few things that Moore
had revealed in Swamp Thing. Much of what we think of as the JC character were
actually Delano's ideas. I'm confident he'll do well with Buddy Baker.

Abhijit
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Subject: BONE by Jeff Smith
From: <CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 14:14:27 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

    I bought two copies of Bone at Comic Connection in Columbus (#1
and #5 the only they had in stock) and somewhat enjoyed what i read.
The letters to Jeff (the ones he printed I realize) are full of
extremely high praise from some notable comics insiders.
    I have ordered the rest of the series because I do enjoy it and
want to encourage and help out the local guy and small publisher
(I'm from Newark, Ohio just outside Columbus).  I am happy for
Jeff's growing success but I am curious as to what is so amazing
about this book?  I've only read issues 1 and 5, and I have enjoyed
them but I don't neccessarily agree that we have another Cerebus
or Sandman type quality book.  No offense, Jeff.  I wish the book
continued success and I am a subscriber but I would like to get some
specific, non-oblique, non obvious (its better than marvel crap like
the punisher) opinions on why it is such a success.

If you haven't checked it out, give BONE a try.
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From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Sandman Speculations: The Villain Unmasked?
Reply-To: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:04:12 GMT


 teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:

|> 
|> 	In addition, does anyone have a clue about which god or goddess that
|> Etain of the Second look could have been?  And also in the latest issue, Lucien
|> is still Much taller than Dream.  Mean something?  No doubt.

As I and others have said, Lucien *has* to be taller than Dream to fulfill his
function. He's the Librarian because he's the only one who can reach the top
shelf.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Did Ya' Notice in Future Imperfect
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 02:47:12 GMT

>Also, theres the strip of garment on the roof, just behind the Wizard's
>helmet, which looks a bit like Donna Troy's costume (which Perez
>designed). I can't think offhand  of any Marvel character with
>a costume like that [ stars in the costume ]. 

While I haven't read FUTURE IMPERFECT yet, another character with a
starfield pattern is Quasar (the inside of his cape). Your guess
is probably correct.

Jay (=

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:36:46 GMT

Well, if we want to get _really_ specific, I'll dig some more out;

George Washington appeared in the TIME HUNTERS mini series.

Abraham Lincoln appeared (albeit in an alternate time-line) during the
Byrne run of WEST COAST AVENGERS.

There was a mini-series dealing with the JFK assassination put out by DC, I
think. I can't remember the title.

If you want to count VPs, Dan Quayle appeared in WILDC.A.T.S.

George Bush appears (although we don't see his face) in X-MEN #1.


Jay (=

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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:09:21 GMT

Several world leaders, including George Bush, Fidel Castro, 
Moamar Khadafi, and Margaret Thatcher, appeared in Miracleman.

--
Ramez Naam
naam@terra.cecer.army.mil
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