HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork)
Subject: Re: N scale loco's
Keywords: U30C
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:11:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.092810.14032@mr.med.ge.com>
bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:

>What I am looking for is a good locomotive that will pull many cars(20 to
>50) at a nice slow scale speed.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

I'd get one of the Kato N U30C's. They're very impressive. You can
also get an aftermarket U33 shell for them.

--Steven
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: the courceracer is dead?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:53:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.140714.2016@news.uit.no> stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig  
Johansen) writes:
> World cup sailors have used cource-slalom boards, even in marginal wind
> conditions, for a long time. But we mere mortals hadn't access to the light
> cource-slalom boards and had to use ordinary courceracers. But now things
> start to happen. Mistral's Explosion and Gaastra's new 7.2 cource-slalom
> sail is possible to sail well (and point high) from less than 9 knots. 
> 
> Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north:-)
> -- 
> //// Stig Johansen, research assistant //    Email: stig@stud.cs.uit.no  /
> /// Computer Science Department       //    Phone : +47 83 44121        //
> // University of Tromsoe             //    Telefax: +47 83 44580       ///
> / N-9037 TROMSOE, NORWAY            //                                ////

At the Tudor/Mistral East Coast Championships this year Dave Buemi (Mistral  
Natl. rep/team rider) competed in the open class and used a Mistral  
course/slalom and 7+ m^2 sail in his throw-out. He didn't even finish, having  
been buried in a ~10 kn lull. Of course (no pun) he didn't need to, having a  
string of firsts for all other races in which he used an Equippe and Sailworks  
sails, I think in the 9 m^2 range for conditions 10 kn to 15 kn. I haven't seen  
anyone beat an Equippe in less than 12 Kn.

Point is, as I found out, if you're not wired (powered to overpowered) for  
whatever the conditions are, you might as well not start. I used a 9.5 Aerotech  
for as long as I could hold on, and did OK.  Problem was that I couldn't  
reliably uphaul or waterstart the damn thing in more than 12, and hence didn't  
always finish.

After blowing two races, I tried an experiment and rigged a North 7.5 Prisma  
with no outhaul tension. The IMCO leaders passed me on their 7.5 Gastras (they  
started 3 mins behind the open class). So much for the loose leach. When I  
re-rigged to about the North reccomendations for that sail (a '91), I was  
competitive even though I was still somewhat underpowered. Buemi's observation  
was that in underpowered conditions the luff tube should be almost slack when  
the sail is loaded--- speed wrinkles. Also, resulting tight leach gives much  
better upwind performance. 
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: boom recomendation (was stuck boom)
Reply-To: wolf@hydro.stanford.edu
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:43:42 GMT

Earlier this summer, I posted about my wife's chinook boom which we could not
get unstuck (even Ed Wilson and his "awesome" strap wrenches couldn't make
it budge).  Well, it was less than a year old so I took it back to Helm and
asked what they could do for me.  They said they would send it back to
Chinook and see about unsticking it or replacing the arm.  Weeks past ...
I called them back and they acted like they were just getting around to 
looking at it.
"It looks like your boom arm is pretty stuck"
Arghhh
SO it never went to chinook, but they then called chinook to see what they
would do.
Although the boom was less than a year old, they don't make that one any more
and thus don't have any extra arms (so Helm says).

However, Chinook will sell me a new boom for $120.  This doesn't seem tooooo
generous since ASD had $109 booms last month. (they may not have been as good.
I don't know)

Does this seem reasonable?  I was hoping chinook would try to do me
better.  I was hoping for a $50 arm, but if they don't have one maybe
I'm beeing unreasonable

Should I call chinook and whine or should I take the 120 dollar boom

Andy
From: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Fresh water causes mildew on sails -- NOT!!!
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:42:50 GMT
Reply-To: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <66628@cup.portal.com>, sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby) writes:
|> I have another comment about cleaning WS gear off for you folks...
|> 
|> Salt water doesn't cause mildew - if you can't hang your gear up to dry
|> after rinsing with fresh water, or (God forbid) you're an inland sailor,
|> mildew will form eventually.
|> 

Mildew caused by packing away a sail damp from fresh water seems to be an 
urban legend.  I had heard this statement before and specifically asked the
guy that runs Rushwind (at a clinic) Sails about it.  He said that he had
heard that argument as well, but he has never met anyone who actually had
a sail that mildewed.  "Maybe in Florida where it's real humid, but I've
never seen it happen" were his approximate words.  I think this is a myth
propogated by folks who don't like to rinse their sails.

Also, other than clouding the window from abrasion, salt water is not detrimental
to the sail;  ie, doesn't attack the stitching or anything which is something
I've wondered about and asked the Rushwind guy. (I think Kirk asked about this.)

-joel
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: Seat harness endorsement
 
Reply-To: ngs@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:27:50 GMT

I always thought that seat harnesses were only good for flat
water sailing and that they were too restrictive for sailing in
chop or swells. Now I have objective evidence that I was really 
dead wrong.

I have been sailing with a waist harness for years. I have often
timed myself on beam reaches between Sandy Hook and Atlantic 
Highlands, NJ. This is a two nautical mile run over water
15-25 feet deep most of the way. I never made the trip in less than 
7 minutes in a waist harness, (and my back was usually a little
strained after each run). Yesterday I made 5 speed runs in my new
Pascal Maka Speed Seat. Every one was well under 7 minutes, with one
at 6 minutes even. The biggest difference was that I was able to
maintain my sail trim much better even when I was doing involuntary
long jumps over the 2-4 foot swells. The point is, I think, that
you don't need flexibility to go fast in chop, you need rigidity.
Of course, you still need to absorb the chop in your knees, but
the waist harness makes it much easier to hang your weight on the 
rig and keep the sail in trim.

Ned


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Re: Coast Guard Search on Tues night
Organization: Mail Group
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:59:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.182925.22639@leland.Stanford.EDU> ed@northstar.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:
>It was a front page article in Wednesday's SF Examiner (really bad 
>afternoon paper).  Here's what I remember from it:
>
>The guy (24 years old, sailing for 8 years) started sailing at Crissy
>at 4:30PM Monday.  He was out by the north tower when his mast broke.
>It was really foggy so noone could see him and it was ebbing hard, at
>around 5 knots.  He said before he knew it he was under the bridge and
>heading out to the Farralones.  He sounds like he really had his head
>together because he quickly dumped his rig and knew that the current 
>would switch to a flood at 7:30PM.  He was carried out ~6 miles by then.
>He was just swimming with his board at this time.

Maybe someone who knows the layout at Crissy better than I do can answer
this: why would this guy not just paddle cross-current toward the Marin
shore right away?  What's the logic in letting yourself get dragged out
6 miles and waiting for the current to reverse?  I would say he is one
seriously lucky dude, because at some point out there the currents start
to go north to south, and once you get caught up in that you are not in
good shape.

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: gb0wbff@vm.tcs.tulane.edu
Subject: Re: Mast Recovery
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29801]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu
Organization: Freeman School of Business, Tulane University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:38:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.165922.12585@sj.ate.slb.com> noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan
Noble) writes:
>
>PS Thanks to Francois & Patrice who miraculously recovered my mast and
>sail from the mud of SF Bay (after I ditched it 3 weeks earlier).
>
Tell more, enquiring minds want to know!
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: harry@grover.clarity.com (Harry Burks)
Subject: Re: wxmap 
Keywords: wxmap
Organization: Clarity Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:34:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.224320.10485@walter.bellcore.com> you write:
>
>I only have the executable for a Sun and some source code which I
>never was able to compile, so I may not have all the fact right.

I have a sparc 2 and would like to get a shar'd executable if you don't 
mind.....
Tried to reach you via email and was unsuccessful, sorry about the 
post, etc, etc. Send to hburks@clarity.com.....

	Thanks,
	   Harry
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: Regatta Scoring Program?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:21:18 GMT

In article <e2wyRB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> terryb@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (terry bohning) writes:
>Does anyone know of a good regatta scoring program for IBM-PC?

Try US Sailing (formerly United States Yacht Racing Union), PO Box
209, Newport, RI, 02840, +1-401-849-5200.


-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: BOARDS ON SALE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:20:06 GMT

In article <3782@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve McCarthy) writes:
>
>   Yeah.  I really wonder why people post "For Sale" ads in here at all.
>Like I am really going to buy a used board or sail from somebody in
>New Jersey, Colorado, or Bay Area.
>
>   C'mon, people, make use of the "Distribution:" part at the top, and limit
>the for sale stuff to your local area.


FLAME ON:
First of all maybe should you add this to the FAQ list. The distribution is
a courtesy flag used to prevent an area from geting articles from a select
distribution source. If your site does not allow it in then you won't get it.
If it does not filter it then you WILL get it. Its been proven!

Soooo, don't flame before you know. Besides ther isn't as much traffic in
this group to justify exclusions. I've sold plenty things to people not
living in NJ by way of this group. I usually ship.

FLAME OFF:

Have a windy day (We (NJ) are having one) :-)
-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan Noble)
Subject: Re: Insurance for Windsurfing Equipment
Reply-To: noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan Noble)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, San Jose, CA.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:59:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.004036.8676@news2.cis.umn.edu> dahl@mckinley.ee.umn.edu (peter boardhead dahl) writes:
>In <1992Sep21.171820.10060@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard) writes:
>
>I have all my stuff insured with Farmer's Insurance. Here the deal. Farmer's
>considers windsurfers as sailboats and so a "windsurfer" consists of one hull,
>one mast, one sail, one boom, one fin, etc... Not that useful. I had my agent
>list of all my sails, booms, masts as "accessories" under the basic policy. If
>I buy another board I have to add a second boat to the policy (the second one
>is cheaper than the first, mainly because you have to list the most expensive
>one first and you list all the accessories with the first). My agent has an 
>itemized list of all my stuff but all the insurance company has is a policy for
>a sailboat with an awful lot of accessories :-)  The rate is 1% of the insured 
>value so $5000 of stuff costs $50 per year. Cool.

Itemizing your property as above, or so-called "scheduling", is the
only way to insure your property against ALL risks, including
breakage.  The trouble is most insurance companies, don't let you
schedule windsurfing equipment.  According to an Allstate underwriter,
they are "not in the business of equipment maintenance".  At any rate
scheduling is not particularly cheap--at Allstate it costs $3.45 per
$100.  The upside is that, unlike Farmers, Allstate considers
windsurfing equipment "personal property" and not "watercraft".  This
is an important distinction since there is a ridicuously low
limit--$1000--on the amount watercraft are covered.  As personal
property, you determine the limit as part of your homeowners or
renters coverage.  Further, you can decrease your deductible by
increasing your premimum slightly.  For example, I brought my
deductible down from $1000 to $250 for an additional $77 a year, and
that covers EVERYTHING (3 boards, 3 wetsuits, etc., etc.).  So that's
another option.

Alan

PS Thanks to Francois & Patrice who miraculously recovered my mast and
sail from the mud of SF Bay (after I ditched it 3 weeks earlier).


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing,su.market,ba.market.misc
From: ed@northstar.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson)
Subject: *** WINDSURFING EQUIPMENT *** (SF Bay area)
Organization: stanford
Distribution: su,ba
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 18:02:41 GMT

Stuff for sale in SF Bay Area

BOOMS:  Fleetwood Carbon	(5' - 6')	  $175
          Great condition, used ~6 times
          Can go to 7' with longer extensions
          5'-6' probably fits most 4.5-6.0 m^2 sails
          Note this is CARBON, a step above the COMPOSITE
          boom Fleetwood makes

	North B 1.55 - 2.00 m   (5'1" - 6'7")	  $ 75
          has worn grip, but is still very solid

	
MISC:	Ultra Fin (~10.5", I think)		  $ 25
	Body Glove Booties (size 9-10)	          $ 15

If you're interested, please contact:

Edward Wilson
ed@sun-valley.stanford.edu
home: (415)367-8307
work: (415)725-3293
From: billmar@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (William Martinson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: the courceracer is dead?
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:57:54 GMT
Reply-To: billmar@pyrtech.pyramid.com (William Martinson)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct1.012159.26641@sj.nec.com> brahms@delaware.tdd.sj.nec.com (George Skillman  x2921) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.195318.22026@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.140714.2016@news.uit.no> stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig  
>>Johansen) writes:
>>I haven't seen  
>>anyone beat an Equippe in less than 12 Kn.
>
>This discussion of course boards prompted me to ask what's the going price
>for a used Equipe.  I saw one advertised for $700 recently.  The owner
>claimed it was a 1991 LCS, but the graphics didn't match the pictures I've
>seen of 1991 Equipes in magazines (which showed boards with yellow graphics).
>
>Can anyone tell me if this is a fair price for an Equipe that appears to
>be in good condition?  I live in the S.F. Bay area.  Am I ever going to
>have much use for this board given that wind conditions around here
>generally favor short boards?  Perhaps I'll use it more when I want
>to switch from windsurfing as a speed thrill sport to a touring sport.
>Any ideas?  Thanks.
>
$700 sounds like a great price for an excellant board.  As far as speed vs
touring and the Bay Area conditions favoring short boards I would strongly
disagree.

My experience this summer was 70% saiiing on a course board with a 7.4.  This
happened to be very competitive for the Friday Evening race series at the
St. Francis Yacht Club and also worked very well for the Bay Classic with a 
6.6.

As far as non racing times are concerned I was usually sailing while most 
people were waiting for 5.0 conditions that never happened.  

And with respect to speed, if your not on the latest epoxy boards and race
sails a board like an equipe with the proper size sail will be nearly as fast
as a short board.  I think you would find sailing a long board just as 
thrilling and challenging and fun in many conditions you try to sail a short
board.

Buy the board and enjoy more sailing time!

Bill Martinson
US-940

as a short board.  Sailing a board like an 
sails a board like an
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 12:46:15 PST
From: <RAIMONDI@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: BOARD ON SALE

8.6 BIC RAP '91 in excellent conditions:     $370

e-mail to RAIMONDI@SLACVM          or phone me at 415-926-2813

                                           pantaleo
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Chris Bigenwald)
Subject: Re: Monofilm lifetime ?
Reply-To: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:34:03 GMT

In article <1337@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart) writes:
>................  One of my neighbors answered that he sail about 170 days
>per year.  He is a geologist and does most of his work by computer.  He could
>have located any place in the USA.  He picked the Gorge..................

How does one go about becoming one of these "geologists", anyway?
----------------------------------------------
Chris J. Bigenwald
Rochester Institute of Technology
Computer Science graduate student & windsurfer
cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
----------------------------------------------
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:53:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, janusz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janusz Mrozek) writes:

> ... that they just want to make more bucks?  When the trade show hits 
> San Francisco in October, I will ask them directly.

	You may not find the people you're looking for at the trade show.
	Neosport is the Tiga/Neil Pryde distributor and they will be there
	to display the 1993 line.  Whether Neil and his designers will be
	there is questionable.  I don't believe they have been in the past.
	Maybe Bjorn will be there!!!

> Regarding: From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
> > I like the good race sails as they seem to have a good, wide range ...
> 
> So I'm confused.  I thought that race sails have a narrower, not a wider,
> wind range than intermediate sails, and that's why one needs more of them.  Am
> I just wrong?

	I'm afraid you are wrong.  Race sails handle a wider wind range than
	rec sails.  They hold their shape better; don't deform in the gusts,
	etc.
 
> I don't really agree.  I sail my current board (Mike's Lab 120l 9'3") 
> from 8.4 to 5.0 conditions (I'm 145 lbs).  I tried it once at 4.5,...

	I once sailed a 9'-0", 115 l. board in 4.3 conditions and hurt
	myself bad enough that I won't do that again.  I pearled the nose
	(I guess that comes from pearl diving...) and was catapulted onto 
	the rig.  My shoulder hit the mast hard.  Now the Tiga 260 comes
	out when the 4.6 comes out.  I know you said you can't afford a
	shorter board, but can you afford a broken shoulder?

 
> Say I get a 4.5 and a 5.5  (22% bigger).  Do I need a sail in between?  

	No.  Get an 8'-6" board first.

	tom.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: titlow@zephyr.larc.nasa.gov (jay titlow)
Subject: Daneille
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:55:16 GMT

Keywords: Where the wind was...

I wouldn't give Daneille all the credit, but it blew for 3 straight
days in the Tidewater area. High pressure to the north and a
stationary front and Daneille to the south enabled me to sail my 4.2 and
4.7 Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. YA-HOO! Finally some winds in southeastern
VA.

By-the way, The Wind Hotline site that I operate in Lewes Delaware indicated
winds in the 30's most of day last friday with the 6 o-clock hour averaging
47 mph with gusts to 59!!!  But the sites on the Cheaspeake Bay never got
that high. 

Daneille brought decent winds of her north side, but the winds on the south
side of the storm were "slop"!  Our site at Sandy Hook NJ went from an average
of 34 mph to 13 mph over the course of an hour and a half as the storm passed.




Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Re: Insurance for Windsurfing Equipment
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.211033.6011@sj.nec.com> brahms@delaware.tdd.sj.nec.com (George Skillman  x2921) writes:
>
>Anyone have a good suggestion about how to mark a carbon mast?
>I doubt engraving would work well.  Perhaps white paint would do the
>trick.

I used a black grease pen and it hasn't faded at all this summer.
AW

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 15:13:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>3.5 Wave
>4.0 Wave
>4.5 Single Camber Wave Slalom (mono)
>5.0 Single Camber Wave Slalom (mono)
>5.5 Slalom/Race fully cambered
>6.0 Ditto
>
>I know it makes sense to increase each sail size by a percentage rather than by
>a fixed amount. However, I feel I am more sensitive in the 5.0- 6.0 range
>and can tell the difference between a half meter ior so. When it's really
>raging, I'm always overpowered and wouldn't be able to pick the right sail if
>thay were too close together. Make sense?.... it does to me.
>
>Jim Munro
>----------

Hmmmmm.  Not really.  With the newer Race and Slalom sails, you have MUCH
more range.  For your list, I'd replace the 5.5 and 6.0 with a 5.7 and a
6.4.  It is too bad that many sail companies want our money so bad that
they only offer sails in 0.5 meter increments above 5.0.

My quiver:

Main                                    Back-up/for sale

3.9 Gaastra Wave Slalom (removable half and full battens)
4.5 Rushwind GS LE (2 CIs - one tube batten for the gusts)
5.1 Sailworks Race (mono on order)  5.1 Rushwind GS LE & 5.0 Gaastra Racefoil
5.6 SW Race  (mono)                 5.7 RW GS LE (mono)
6.1 SW Race  (mono)
6.7 SW Race  (mono)
7.5 North TCC (old)             (don't use much so I'd sell for a good offer)

If I were to do it again, I'd get a 3.7 and a 4.1 rather than the 3.9, but I
got a good deal on the 3.9 and didn't feel like spending alot of $ for 2 sails 
I'd hardly use..

The only good thing about having 0.5 meter increments, is I can rig for
the conditions and then go down a full meter once I'm too powered to sail
in control.  With 0.7 meter increments, going down 1.4 meters is more
difficult and one sail size may not last long enough if the wind is
building.  When sailing the 5.6 or 5.7 when the wind builds, I switch
boards from my 8'11" to my 8'8" then rig my 4.5 when and if it is still
too much power.

Also, my Rushwinds are convertable so I guess I could use them for
waves though I'd not try this with the 5.7 since it is monofilm.

Kirk out
8'8" Challange Flex, 8'11" & 9'3" ASD epoxy, 9'9" Velocity & 11'6" Malibu 
Wt 213#, Ht. 6'0", Usually sail on SF Bay, Cailf.  (kirk@hpocia.sj.hp.com)