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From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The Bloody Shirt (FWWM SPOILERS!!!!)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:07:16 EDT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

Has anyone noticed that Jacques account of what happened at his cabin on 
the night Laura died was different in the movie than on TV? According to 
Jacques (in the last episode of the first season), he and Leo had a 
fight, Leo hit him with a whiskey bottle and Jacques used Leo's shirt to 
stop the bleeding (during which Leo was laughing.) After the fight 
Jacques went outside and passed out. When he wope up, Leo and the girls 
were gone. When Coop and the boys trek up to the cabin they find a spot 
of blood on the floor. The bloody shirt with Jacques blood shows up more 
than a few times in the first season and was a potential piece of 
evidence that might have implicated Leo in Laura's death.
   However, in FWWM Jacques wanders outside and is beat up and hit over 
the head with the bottle by Leland. Leo comes out of the cabin and seeing 
Jacques bloody face runs back into the cabin grabs his boots (and perhaps 
something else--I can't remember) and makes a beeline for his car. At no 
point that I can see does any shirt of Leo's get used to wipe up Jacques 
blood.
   I can understand Jacques blaming Leo for the bottle and the fight 
because he wasn't aware that anyone else was around the cabin. But this 
still doesn't explain the lack of a bloody shirt. Looks like a rather big 
continuity error to me.
   Also, I think that Agent Desmond's disappearance (when he went to pick 
up the ring) could be the same thing that happend to Agent Jeffries 
(David Bowie). Could this mean that there are 3 FBI agents trapped in the 
Black Lodge? And yes, the symbol on the ring is the same as one found in 
the drawing at Owl Cave. The symbol is slightly up and to the left of the 
center of the drawing and is encased in a flame (page 65, Twin Peaks 
Acces Guide)
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From: eneq@Haag.DoCS.UU.SE (Rickard Eneqvist)
Subject: Laserdisk-release?
Reply-To: eneq@kobra.csd.uu.se
Organization: Dep. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University, Sweden
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:46:44 GMT

	I heard that the laserdisk-release of FWWM is coming up (has come up?),
can anyone give me a pointer to where I might get my hands on it (PAL-version)?.

	The rest is just some crap I ran in to today. I was watching the daydream
commercial (keywords: lighthouse, air ship, beach, wind (if you don't recognize it
you havent seen it)), the lyrics go like this...

	"Birds singing in the sycamore trees,
	 dream a little dream of me."

with some imagination one can read TP into it :-). "...dream a little..." would
probably refer to BOB and one could always change the text into...

	"Howls hooing in the sycamore..." 

*big smiley*

	See ya folks!

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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Thoughts
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 23:37:08 GMT

In article <goldberg.715355422@vincent1.iastate.edu>, goldberg@iastate.edu
(Adam Goldberg) wrote:

> Now ...  Here's the big one...
> I think Bob, Mike's familiar (owl) turned on Mike.  This is when Mike
> realized the errors of his ways and cut off his arm (LMFAP).  He physically
> cut off his arm as a symbol of his turning, so he could be sure that he
> would never revert back to his old ways.  See, LMFAP seems to posess ARMS.
> The arm goes dead, remember?  
> So, LMFAP can no longer control any of Mike's actions, Mike has no arm LMFAP
> can posess.  LMFAP need not posess Bob's arm, Bob already does dirty work
> for him.  LMFAP is the one with the addiction.
> 
> I think I got that last one across.
> I don't know whether the LMFAP PHYSICALLY posesses the arm of his minions
> to insure their obedience, but this could be true as well.
> 
> Any responses desperately welcomed.
> 

I think you're right on the money with the arm, Adam. What's more, this,
along with the creamed corn analysis as cocaine, suggests the arm of the
addict, heroin addict usually.  Addicts who aren't independently wealthy
are forced to do awful things to feed their habit.  John Prine has a
wonderful song about a Viet Vet:
"there's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes".

I believe the arm is definitely symbolic of addiction.

Interesting enough, the opiates, do temporarily banish pain and sorrow...

-Rich Haller
From: blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu (Jon Blow)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWM SPOILERS etc
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:58:00 GMT
Organization: Free Hardware Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: graft.berkeley.edu

Just saw the movie a second time.  This letter addresses specific replies
to certain posts, whereas the next one is a dump of my own thoughts and
questions from the movie.

jsnell writes:

> I can buy the 2nd season finale, which was meant to be a cliffhanger. But this
> movie's statement was this: we're going to introduce new characters and never
> resolve what happens to them. This is a feature film, and realistically 
> there won't be another. Maybe there's a slim chance, at best. But by leaving

> What happens then? More questions, no answers. Endlessly.

Well, I think that that's only a problem if you have certain preconceptions
about what a movie should be.

To me, the Twin Peaks universe is infinite.  It is impossible to understand
everything about it because there is always more and it is always different
from what you previously understood it to be.  What I have just stated in
words is much richer in feeling, and I am quite glad for Lynch&Co giving me
that vision.  There are always questions.  I love them.

> - Harry Dean Stanton was great as the Fat Trout trailer admin-
> istrator.  I thought it was funny that both Desmond and Coop
> managed to wake him up before 9am.

He still struck me with one of the most emotional lines in the movie--
short and striking but to the point:  "Don't ya see?  This just means more
shit I gotta do now."  I found this very funny, but at the same time I
felt very, very sad for the character.

> i can't even remember what bowie was talking about in his part. 

"We're not going to talk about Judy.  In fact, we're not going to mention
 her at all."

(More about this in my next post).

> that was philip gerard driving it, yes.  again, like with bowie's
> character, i can't remember what he talked about.

I couldn't quite make out what he said.  He talked about the room above
the convenience store, the formica table, and shouted "The thread will
be broken!!" at least twice.

  -Jon
From: sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Questions and Answers Re: FWWM (Spoilers)
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:18:47 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 + PL4

sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
: 
: >     What happened to the stuff at the end?  I saw some slides with Hawk
: >     in the Waiting Room... and the Dweller in the Threshold... and Major

What did the Dweller in the Threshold look like ??

: >     Briggs... and Annie (but in her hospital room... with a ring, but
: >     Dale's ring, not the one in the movie)...  I guess this was all shot,
: >     or there wouldn't be action-slides on the sets; so it was cut?  What
: >     a bastard he is!!!
: 
: >           Scott

He has to have something left for the next movie, or the 'directors cut' of
this one ;-)

/Sture
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM Impressions (Here be spoilers)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:43:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



Bob posted that he questioned MIKE/OAM's motives that he was in
fact working for BOB when he gave Coop the clues back in the
second season. Though, unfortately, I have seen the flick only once,
I think MIKE did try to help Laura, and had seen the face of God. Now,
wasn't MIKE the one that let Ronnette go. As for not letting Laura go
I think this too was an act of salvation. Laura knew that unless she
confronted Le-BOB and died, using religious terminology, a martyr's death
that she would be tormented forever, and that she too would become part
of the "Evil in the Woods." That is why she allowed herself to be killed,
almost a christfigure. Folks on the group have been brining up the idea
of Peaks as a Passion Play, well Laura's self-sacrifice of her life, and
thus her rejection of Evil would fit into this. Now, MIKE understood this
and knew that for her to become part of the "light," the White Lodge that
she would have to die. and in the end she did see her "angel," her idea
of salvation.

Yet, the part after, in the Lodge has me confused. He did seem to be
apart of the Black Lodge group--LMFAP, and BOB. Maybe, as it has
been suggested that time works differently in the Lodges, and when
Lodge inhabitants interact with the TP world. Thus we see time flowing
backward/forward/circular and thus one time we see a "damned" MIKE,
and the next he has already seen "the face of God," yet we see it all
jumbled.

I still would like to see more (if we have seen it at all) of the White
Lodge. And the robbed figure...I get the impression that he is part of
the White Lodge.

Now I also see it that like in Christian (and other world religions)
that evil exists and its purpose is to intrap innocents, and this evil
interacts more closely with the TP folks to bring about their fall, and
to feed on "sorrow, and pain." Now, also, if you use the "free choice"
the White Lodge folks cannot interfer to a great extend since it is
up to the individual soul to choose between either Lodge. They do not
interfer, yet give vague advice and then it is up to the person as to
how s/he will deal with that assistance. Yet the Black Lodge folks care
only for more things to feed on, and care little for the free will of
the TP dwellers. Damn that was incoherent..

Sally--I better shut up fast--A. Wilson



-- 
And I'll see you//And you'll see me          ||    Sally  A.  Wilson
And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
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From: wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT)
Subject: Explanation please...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:09:00 GMT

I just saw Fire Walk With Me, and I have just one question.  Could somebody
tell me WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING IN THE MOVIE?  After sitting through
David Lynch's two hour acid trip I am thoroughly confused.

Laura sleeps with Leland/Bob.  Laura sleeps with Bobby.  Laura sleeps with
everyone in the film.  Cooper has strange dreams.  Leland kills Laura.  I 
already know this from the series.  New characters with no appararent
significance are introduced.  I can't figure out the point of the film (other
than to leave you hanging until the next Twin Peaks movie comes out).

All I know is that the film has none of the humour that I liked in the series
and all of the weird crap that I couldn't stand.  What a waste of five bucks.

Kent Leverich
WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM Impressions (Here be spoilers)
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:08:47 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <182ugrINN5fo@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> Yet, the part after, in the Lodge has me confused. He did seem to be
> apart of the Black Lodge group--LMFAP, and BOB. Maybe, as it has
> been suggested that time works differently in the Lodges, and when
> Lodge inhabitants interact with the TP world. Thus we see time flowing
> backward/forward/circular and thus one time we see a "damned" MIKE,
> and the next he has already seen "the face of God," yet we see it all
> jumbled.

Having not seen the movie, I'll still hazard the following.  From
descriptions here, the LMFAP was hanging onto the OAM's side at the
time.  Perhaps this "reattachment" of the arm results in an evil MIKE?
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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Subject: Speaking of the Gap commercials...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:23:02 GMT

Does anyone know if Lynch directed those two Gap jeans
commercials with Amick and Marshall?  A friend and I think that
Lynch probably wrote that poem that's being read in the Amick
one.
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From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP:FWWM this and that.
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:44:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

My overall opinion is the TP:FWWM is classic Peaks at its best.  I
think the best thing about Peaks is that each episode/movie raises
some new questions and resolves (sometime partially) some old
question.  That keeps it interesting.

Question/comments on the movie follow (possible spoilers):








Laura had a dream where she was told not to accept the ring hinting
that the ring was evil.  The murder seemed made me think that ring
offered some sort of protection though.  If I made out the murder seen
right, Laura slipped on the ring and then Leiland (Bob) said he now
had to kill her.  Did the ring prevent Bob from entering Laura.  We
know Laura was killed because she wouldn't let Bob enter her.


In the series, I always thought that the steward at the Great Northern
was also the giant.  In the season two finalle, we here the 'one in
the same' line confirming this.  Do you think there is some
relationship between the one-armed man and the midget?  The midget
said he was the arm.

I like actress playing Donna in the movie better.  She portrays
innoscence better.  Donna in the series seemed like more of a bitch.

I like that the movie showed a lot of what went on with Laura even
though most of it was implied in the series.  After watch two seasons
of a series focused on Laura Palmer without ever seeing very much of
Laura, I thought it was good to balence it out.

The bloody Annie in bed told Laura to write in her diary that the good
Dale was stuck in the lodge.  Does anyone know if she every wrote
this?  Some pages were ripped out (probably by Bob?) but this 
happened before.  Could there be some kind of time warp.  Events
from movie and series show pages ripped/advice to write/Dale
captures.  Coudl this all happen in reverse because of some time
loop?








-- 
An amazing insight may have paid you a fleeting visit and then retreated.
Resist the temptation to chase it; it is faster than you are.  Value your
glimpse of it, and invite it to return some other time.      -John Bitmap
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Lynch on the Tonght Show (no spoilers)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:21:12 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Anyone catch Lynch on the TOnight show last night? I stayed up late (well, 
for me ;-) to see it. Here's what I think:

	Lynch is borderline autisitc (IMO). He reminds me of a friend of mine 
who suffers from the same problem. He seemed to have a *serious*problem keeping
up a conversation. Leno didn't help much (he isn't very good IMHO). He'd just
get Lynch talking on something good, like Philadelphia, and then Leno would
move on (what really got me about this was Lynch said "You know, I think I had
my first original thought in Philadelphia", and Leno CHANGED THE TOPIC! My god,
wouldn't *you* like to know what the man's first original thought was?)

	Leno gave Lynch a speaker froma drive-in; apparently he thought it was
a Lynch sort of thing. Kind of a nice touch.

	Lynch is coming out with a photo book on "spark plugs and dental
hygene." I know *I* am looking forward to it.

	No mention of any new films... I think Lynch is having a "blank"
period. No mention of his kids or anyone new in his life either.

	The best part of the interview was the clip they showed. It was GREAT!
Thirty seconds, the context of which eludes me totally, and it had me on the
very edge of my seat. It's a shame Grace Z. didn't get more time in the season.
She is an amazing actress. Ray Wise is up to snuff as Leland (it appears). His
acting, if anything looks to have improved.

	Other than that, they showed a slide of a little head of clay Lynch 
made. He filled it with turkey and cheese and photographed the ants as they
crawled around in it. I think he is returning to his painting roots, more's
the pity for fans of non-putrid TV. 

	All in all, a good interview, in spite of Leno's bumbling. The audience
seemed to be rooting for Lynch, and I'd have to say he is quite a snappy 
dresser. He seems quieter in real life than as Gordon Cole, or from what one
hears about him when he's on the set.

	Oh, one more thing. He loves the smell of gasoline on water. I guess
he'll never be Greenpeace's poster child ;-)


Please don't flame me if this is incoherent. I took a "no drowsy" Claritin
a while ago. The only way Claritin is non drowsy is if you take the pill
then wash it down with 9 or 10 pots of coffee. Maybe I'll take one before
I go see the movie tomorrow (less than 24 hours now... my heart is racing!).
It should make the whole experience that much more dreamy and surreal.
Especially after the amount of coffee and donuts I plan to consume.

Later
Mike
ps anyone know why Dennis/Denise didn't show up for FWWM? I would've
enjoyed that.
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From: dat91oto@ludat.lth.se (Torstensson Ola)
Subject: Re: Beginning, middle . . . end?
Organization: University of Lund, Sweden
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:37:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.192852.14481@Princeton.EDU> oberst@hitam.Princeton.EDU 
(Daniel J. Oberst) writes:

>In article <1992Aug29.192850.17273@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu
>(Scott Borders) writes:
 
>> In the Twin Peaks saga, we have now seen the beginning (FWWM) and
>> the middle (the TV series).  Will we see an end?

>We still haven't seen the beginning!!....what about Agent Cooper's
>early days at Germanton Friends? And the whole thing between him and
>Earle and Caroline.  No, I think we need a prequel to FWWM!!

Maybe the second movie (if it ever gets made) could have a similar
structure to FWWM: a half-hour introduction depicting the Pittsburgh
events, thus introducing Caroline and Windom Earle; then a jump
forward to post-series events. That way, there might be a tiny chance
that people who haven't seen the series or FWWM could understand
what's going on (if there's no chance of that, no one will want to
finance it, I think).

How about "Twin Peaks: I Saw the Face of the Man Who Killed Me"?

Yeah, I know, "Get a life!"... :-) 
	/Ola

--
Ola Torstensson, dat91oto@ludat.lth.se
No part of this article (including this .sig) should be taken seriously.
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The poker chip and bitten bullets
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:12:28 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I was just thinking... maybe the last few scenes in the cabin (the poker chip,
"bite the bullet, baby!" were the ones cut to garner a mere R (or whatever the 
hell it is now) rating.

What about that ed/nadine scene where she guts the deer? I really was looking 
forward to that!

Oh, well. Look on the bright side, folks. Maybe they'll add on the good stuff
when it comes to video
Mike, angry that they wouldn't let coffee and donuts into the theatre.

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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Summary: Canada and Peaks
Keywords: Portrayal of Canada
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:42:58 GMT

In article <H11FqB2w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
>01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>> 	So, I guess the Canadian tourism industry is in for a boom after
>> that Pink Room scene ;-)
>
>Come to think of it, how far from Canada is Twin Peaks supposed to be? I
>thought it was rather far away from it, but characters seem to get to and
>from Canada rather quickly.
>

 Twin Peaks is supposed to be really close to the Canadian border. Remember
 that One Eyed Jacks is also in Canada (from what I understood). I don't
 know about anyone else but, I am from Canada and I didn't particularly like
 the impression they were trying to paint on Canadian bars, or Canada itself.
 I mean when Laura enters "The Bar" in Canada to meet Jacques and Ronnette all

 you see is sex, drugs and rock and roll. I mean girls dirty dancing on the
 floor like they were doing, stripping down, guys licking the breasts of
 women and women being "eaten out" (Laura..under the table) and then have
 Jacques (or someone) saying "Welcome to Canada" didn't seem too pleasing. I
 for one would like to know of any bars in Canada which are like *that*. :-)

  -=*George*=-


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From: slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^Fire Walk With Me^)
Subject: Leland's wound (Spoilers?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:19:20 GMT

I think Leland definitely had a wound.  If I remember correctly from the
series, the killer wrote the note which said "FIRE WALK WITH ME" in blood.
And Albert(?) determined that it wasn't Laura's or Ronnette's blood so it
must have been the killer's blood.  Therefore it must have been Leland's
blood.  I must say I was very dissappointed that we didn't get to see
him writing the note or the note at all.  After all, wasn't this where
the phrase originally came from?

Also on Leland's wound...if it was just blood from Laura the Bob/Leland
could probably clean it off in the real world w/o too much trouble.  But
if Leland had some kind of wound it would be harder to hide esp. from Sarah.
So BOB probably has the power to heal inside the lodges.  Also he wouldn't
want his vessel to die from bleeding.
-- 
^ Steven Greco ^ (aka Windom Earle) 
slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu             "Color Me Amazed"-Agent Albert Rosenfield
greco@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
From: slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^Fire Walk With Me^)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: New Twin Peaks books
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:29:05 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Does anyone know if there is going to be a novelization of the movie
coming out?  According to my girlfriend, who works at a bookstore, no such
book is listed as coming out soon.

BUT...there is a book called "Twin Peaks Revisited" coming out in October
maybe.  Does anyone know anything about this book?
-- 
^ Steven Greco ^ (aka Windom Earle) 
slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu             "Color Me Amazed"-Agent Albert Rosenfield
greco@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
From: Kirk Biglione <kbiglione@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: 01 Sep 92 15:45 PDT
Subject: Re: Black Lodge
Nf-ID: #R:1992Sep1.012220.17551@noose.ecn.:-1570492001:cdp:1316900007:000:189
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!kbiglione    Sep  1 15:45:00 1992


Interesting you should mention this.  I've long thought that Crowley
has been a major influence on Lynch.

In fact the similarities between Windham Earle and Crowley are rather 
striking.