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From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Alternate universe history
X-To: ALL
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 14:36:00 GMT

dth@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David Hightower) writes...
DH> Several months ago, somone posted an "alternate universe" history to
DH> this newsgroup.  This history recorded the events that took place in the
DH> alternate universe from the "Mirror, mirror" episode, such as Edith
DH> Keeler surviving, the Nazis winning WWI, etc.


David, I would be rather skeptical about accepting such a timeline as being
the "definitive" timeline where Edith Keeler survived, leading to the victory
of the Nazis, and ultimately to a fascist dictatorship in space.

Why?  If I recall the events of "City on the Edge Of Forever," the non-death
of Edith Keeler also caused the Enterprise's "away team" to be stranded on
the planet's surface, because the Nazis who had taken over the Earth, never
bothered to develop space technology, or at least not the Enterprise, and
therefore, there was no Federation in space to rescue them.

In other words, I would be *very* skeptical of linking the non-death of Edith
Keeler and the "Mirror, Mirror" episode as being causally related on the
*same* time line, ie., Keeler's survival could *not* have brought about the
events leading to "Mirror, Mirror".

P.S.: Could you please e-mail me to confirm that this message makes it onto
r.a.s.m. please?  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: KCOP 13 TNG repeats?
From: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

MB>Does anybody know if KCOP 13 in L.A. will be airing repeats of each new
MB>episode this season on the following weekend like they've done in the past?

Yes!  Saturdays at 9pm.  Oddly enuf, it was moved the SECOND week from
5pm Sun., due to the ST:TOS marathon the Sat. of the first episode.
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From: db0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (David M. Bartlett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Early Star Trek Books for Sale
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:13:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Repair, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have volumes 2 thru 12 of James Blish's Star Trek short story
collections:  these are adaptations of the original series episodes,
about 5-7 stories per volume.  $2.00 each or $20.00 for all 11.
 
In addition, I Have
 
"Spock Must Die!", , also by James Blish, as far as I can tell the first
original Star Trek Novel.  $2.00
 
"The World of Star Trek" by David Gerrold, a non-fiction book about Star
Trek as series, myth, and fandom.  $2.00
 
"The Making of Start Trek" by Gene Roddenberry, a non-fiction book about
making the series itself.  $2.00
 
"Star Trek:  the New Voyages", a collection of short stories, the first
pastiches of Star Trek after James Blish.  $2.00
 
If interested in one, some, or all, send me email.
 
Dave Bartlett
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: VIDIOT! Get a clue! (Note to VIDIOT...)
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:35:05 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <92270.201826DCS4@psuvm.psu.edu> DCS4@psuvm.psu.edu (Dave Shaffer) writes:
<Sorry for use of the net for this, but personal main to VIDIOT
<doesn't seem to be working for me.

The mail problem is not your fault.  Anyone who sends me e-mail using an
address of "brown@vidiot.uucp" will have it bounce.  The problem is with
the uucp link between rutgers and uwvax.  Rutgers is the forwarding agent for
uucp e-mail and uwvax recently changed their computer and the uucp software
that came with it is apparently a piece of junk.  They are working on getting
different uucp code up and running, when they have time, since they have other
work to do as well.

<Mike, I just wanted to let you know that I had finally taken the
<time to locate the latest copy of your Guide at coe.montana.edu,
<downloaded it and printed it on my Mac/laserprinter.
<
<It is very thorough, truly impressive, and will be special
<addition (edition? sorry for the pun!) to my Star Trek related
<goodies. I'm sure you have a great deal of work in it and I
<just wanted to say thanks for the good work.

Thank you.  Tim and I appreciate your comments.
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From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Where no man - the episode tha
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:43:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.13

Shacha Ryan!

[rn] going where no man has gone before - the feeling of wonder at being at a
     distant point of our galaxy. It's the kind of episode that makes you want
     to walk outside and just stare at the stars for a while.

Not for me. My feelings for this episode center around Gary Mitchell. So I
doubt, if he ever was a real friend of Kirk or perhaps jealous of him. I
believe, that his new powers - or any new powers - only can reveal something
that is already part of the character. In the same moment, Gary felt lost
(and =was=), that comes out the moment he is "clear" during the final fight.

[rn] being "The City on the Edge of Forever" - it seems to be everybody's
     favourite.

No. It's very good, yes.

[rn] Star Trek: The Motion Picture comes close to Where No Man in bringing on
     that particular feel, esp. when the Enterprise leaves the space dock and
     you see it moving away from Earth as the sun breaks over the horizon.

Yes. But I have that feeling more connected with V'Ger: We sent it out, and
what comes back?

My fave. episode is "The Doomsday Machine", followed closely by "The Ultimate
Computer", "The Conscience of the King", "By any other Name", "Tomorrow is
Yesterday", "The Trouble with Tribbles" (except for the end), "The Devil in
The Dark", "The Enemy within" ... Ooops, it would probably be easier to name
those episodes, I don't like at all: "Spock's Brain" (ridiculous!), "Plato's
Stepchildren".

For TNG, it is more difficult to find out, since I've seen most of the
episodes only one time, some long ago. But one, that really hit me (I sat
in front of the TV, barely home in time, started to open my cigarette box
and awaited a normal TNG-episode, meaning just a bit "deja-vu", a bit too
much technicals, a very obvious solution ... and afterwards I still sat
there, the box still closed), in German it's "Der Ueberlaeufer", the one
with the Romulan coming to the Federation, hoping to prevent a war. The
next is "Pen Pals", and then all episodes I've seen with Lwaxana Troi
(chasing Picard or even Riker, grin).

Oyori - Sem [from Northern Germany]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: palmj@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm)
Subject: Re: ST:TMP and ST:TNG music
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:34:19 GMT

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

>es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>>
>>	I just watched ST1 for the first time in a long time and
>>I just noticed that the theme music for ST:TNG is used in the
>>movie, in the scene where Kirk first appears. Is this a change
>>from the original version of the movie, or is TNG music really
>>not original?

>It's the same theme, which comes in four basic arrangements:

>	* The Motion Picture (first)
>	* TNG, seasons 1 & 2 (faster tempo, nice strings)
>	* The Final Frontier (lots of brass! -- my favourite)
>	* TNG, season 3 onward (same tempo as TFF, but stiffer 
>	cadence; redone/remixed somewhere along the way, not 
>	so bad now)

>Actually, the version played on the end credits was speeded up and
>sounded better ... almost like TNG in tempo; it sure fooled me, as 
>I thought that WPIX started the premiere *early*, and we were still
>setting up dinner in front of the TV. (-; (Salad was flying ... )

I was always under the impression that the music in The Motion Picture
was done by a real orchestra, and that the theme for TNG was done in
a studio with synthesizers.  I have the Motion Picture CD, and it
sounds significantly better.  The other possibility is that the original
theme is "processed" or "compressed" for TNG (kind of like CD vs. radio
played music).
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: wildcard@nevada.edu ( WildCard !!)
Subject: Could someone post the FAQ(s?)?
Organization: Shadowland BBS, Archives
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:13:32 GMT



I think the subject line says it all. Well, on second thought, if no one posts
it, will some kind and generous soul email it to me?

Thanx.


                                    - WildCard !!

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From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Trek ENDINGS
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:14:17 GMT
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

I'll stick to TOS:

City on the Edge of Forever: The expression frozen on Kirk's face after
returning to the planet, and finally, "Let's get the hell out of here".

This Side of Paradise: Spock's: "For the first time in my life, I was happy." 
Spoken evenly and emotionlessly, but with a subtle undertone of 'look what you
did to me!' directed against Kirk's smug speech on how man was not meant for 
paradise.
-- 
Elie Rosenfeld      | "He tasks me!  He tasks me and I shall have him!
Bellcore            |  I'll chase him 'round the Moons of Nebir and 'round
Piscataway, N.J.    |  the Antares Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's FLAMES
(908) 699-8800      |  before I give him up!"  - Khan, "STII-The Wrath of Khan"
From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: HELP!! Info on Picard's Background!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:37:13 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Sep28.175017.9697@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, shayden@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sean Lee Hayden) writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.111836.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep23.205438.3254@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, shayden@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sean Lee Hayden) writes:
>>
>>Gee, is that all?  Why don't you just ask us to write the report for you?
>>If you choose a fictional character to write a paper on, you've got to 
>>watch/read all the stuff that's been written/filmed about him/her/it, not rely
>>on other folks to do your homework for you!  
>>Just out of curiousity, why _are_ you writing a paper on a fictional character?
>>Is this a creative writing project?  A media project?  Is your professor
>>_expecting_ a paper on a fictional character?
>>
>>Kellie M-S
>>internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
>>
> 
> Keep your flames to yourself...
> 
> It is for my girlfriend who happens to be an avid fan of Picard.  Though
> she had not whatched STNG till we met about a year ago. SOOOO  She did not\
> get to see the background on him.
> 
> If you don't what to give out what you know (* if anything*) Then just
> shut up and N over to the next article. (* What an uptight bitch *)
> 
> With utmost sencerity(*sp?*)
> Sean


Sean:

It wasn't intended precisely as a flame, but I was surprised that anyone
posting on the Trek nets would ask for info easily gotten by watching the
series, much of which is available on videotape from rental places as well
as on tv.  What set me off was that you said you were writing a paper on the
topic, and I still feel that if one is going to write a paper, one should do 
ones own research, not rely on others whose info may be colored by personal 
opinion (see the other responses you've gotten!), or even be erroneous.  The most difficult thing is that there is very little
"factual" information available about fictional characters.  We have only the
few tidbits the TNG writers have dropped on occasion, and that isn't much.

I'm sorry you feel I'm an uptight bitch, but working at a University I see far
too many students who never bother to do their own research, and I simply don't
understand how they're ever going to learn anything by relying on other people 
to do their work.  If you had explained that you wanted the info for someone 
else, your girlfriend in particular, I would not have responded as I did.  As 
someone once said, if you're tempted to flame, wait a week.  
I will next time.  Again, apologies.

Kellie M-S
From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: !! ATTN: Modl Unitd Fed Planets !!
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:32:50 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

NOTICE: Model United Federation of Planets is NOT dead -- it is simply in
stasis; overload of work is one factor. The LARGER factor is that to really get
things up and running will require a News.Group or a Mail.Service; my local
sysop will not allow me to start up a mail.service, and the process for
attaining a News.Group frankly baffles me... aargh. so, at any rate... I'm
checking options... I'll keep you posted, and I DO still have the adresses of
all initially interested, and WILL automatically subscribe you if we should get
a mailing list. In the meantime, if anyone out there knows net.tech well
enoutgh to set up a mail.service at YOUR node to run the info transfer part...
get in touch PLEASE.

rez. Discouraged, but STILL the Secretary General of the 1st Plenary Model
                                United Federation of Planets.

rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: shigsch@cup.portal.com (Shirley Gillard Schneckloth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: FAQL: HOW TO SUBMIT CREATIVE MATERIAL
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 08:48:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

	Look in the Literary Marketplace?  I've tried that plus the Writer's 
Market and the Literary Agents guide, in total querying almost 40 agents
asking if they handle Star Trek material.  
	I've gotten a few form letters that said 'we feel this material is
not suitable for our needs,' but mostly a hand scrawled 'don't do Trek.'
I have joined the Writer's Connection group in my area in hopes of making 
contacts to help in my search for an agent to represent my l.75 TNG novels.
Does anyone have any pearls they wish to share?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: aabbasi@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Amal A. Abbasi)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:01:20 GMT

robertll@sdf.lonestar.org (Robert Loper) writes:


>I bought _Imzadi_ in hardback, and I feel it was worth every penny.
>It's nice to know I can buy a Star Trek book (once in a while) by the
>author's name only, and know in advance it will be a good book.

>Keep up the Good work, Peter!

I agree.  I too bought it in hardcover and loved it.  It was well worth
-- 
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Oakland University             |   never forgets the name Enterprise."
aabbasi@vela.acs.oakland.edu   |         -- Captain Jean Luc Picard
aabbasi@argo.acs.oakland.edu   |            Yesterday's Enterprise
From: ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: "Star Trek" Quotes Part 6: "STV:TFF"
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:40:08 GMT

McCoy: "If I keep this up, I'll end up talking to myself!"
--McCoy, "STV:TFF", Stardate

Spock: "I don't think you realize the gravity of your situation."
--Spock, "STV:TFF", Stardate

Kirk: "Hi, Bones!  Mind if we drop by for dinner?"
--Kirk, "STV:TFF", Stardate

McCoy: "You really *piss me off*, Jim!"
--McCoy, "STV:TFF", Stardate

McCoy: "Oh, I liked him better, *before* he died!"
--McCoy, "STV:TFF", Stardate

Kirk: "Damn it, Bones, you're a doctor."
--Kirk, "STV:TFF", Stardate

Uhura: "Howdy, boys."
--Uhura, "STV:TFF", Stardate

Sulu: "Actually, this is my first time."
--Sulu, "STV:TFF", Stardate

Scott: "I know this ship like the back of my hand."
--Scott, "STV:TFF", Stardate

Kirk: "Excuse me, but what does God need with a starship?"
--Kirk, "STV:TFF", Stardate

McCoy: "Jim, you don't ask the Allmighty for his ID!"
--McCoy, "STV:TFF", Stardate

Spock: "Please, Captain, *not* in front of the Klingons."
--Spock, "STV:TFF", Stardate
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga ||"You're not the man I knew ten years ago."
AKA "Indiana" Koga   ||"It's not the years, honey.  It's the mileage."
ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu   ||--Marion R. & "Indiana" Jones, "Raiders Of The Lost Ark"
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From: CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: New Women on TNG? (DS9 spoilers)
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:56:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.134839.10023@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01klcampbell@bsu-ucs.uucp (Kenton Campbell) writes:
>With O'Brien moving over to ST:DS9 in January, do you think they'll
>introduce a new transporter chief?  If so, let's hope she's female.
>
>With Ensign Ro off the show and Keiko leaving with Miles, we only have
>Bev and Deanna as regulars, Guinan and Ogawa (Dr. or Nurse?) as semi-
>regulars                                             ^^^^^
>
>Compare that with Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, and Worf as regulars
>and Wesley, Q and Barclay as guests.
>
>I for one would like to see one primary ensign to replace Ro on the
>bridge and a new transporter chief, both female.
>
>For that matter, let's hope that someone new will be recognizably
>alien.  Any suggestions?

My suggestions:

Recognizably alien female: Dr. Selar (Vulcan)
Primary ensign: Robin from "The Game"
New Transporter Chief: Sonja Gomez (who gave birth if you recall in
                       "Data's Day")

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Troi's uniform.
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:10:10 GMT

Eileen Simpson writes
> Marina Sirtis was quoted in People Magazine as saying that she ate a lot of
> doughnuts first season and stopped fitting in some of her costumes.

So get her a resizeable two-piece uniform like everyone else has.  The shirts  
are independantly expandable/contractable from the pants (like when the man who  
plays William Riker gained some weight).

> This is the same article where she explains that the females of her planet 
> are not specially endowed

Marina Sirtis said in a TV Guile interview that she received quite a bit of  
mail asking for the bustier she wears.  She gave a manufacturer and model  
number in the interview.  I don't know what make nor model it is, I just recall  
seeing it listed.

> I have read fan specualtion (male adolescent-type) that
> Betazoids are *very popular* girls because they have unique
> pectoral muscle structures.

Yeah, no doubt by male adolescents (or men who act that way).  As if her whole  
character wasn't created by these same boys and men.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
From: ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: "Star Trek" Quotes Introduction
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:35:35 GMT

From the "Star Trek" Quotes Intro (10/1/92):
--
Well, here's another installment of my rather lengthy list of "Star Trek"
quotes.  As you can see, I've a *long* way to go before the list is rather
complete!  The reason why the list has been taking so long for me to compile is
because I'm a college student and studying keeps me away from compiling the list
as much as I would like.  However, as time allows, I will continue to add onto
the list.

By request, I have created a new part to the list that incorporates the latest
changes that have been made to the list from month to month.

The latest version of this list is available via anonymous ftp (special thanks
are in order to Jaye Mathisen):

FTP to ftp.coe.montana.edu, cd to /pub/STARTREK/Quotes, and have at 'em.

ftp.coe.montana.edu == 192.31.215.240

---ftp.coe.montana.edu:/pub/STARTREK/Quotes/---
Files in the archive:
total 152
  12 Changes.Z                            18 List_Part_3___STII_TWOK_.Z
   1 List_Intro__3_18_92_.Z                2 List_Part_4___STIII_TSFS_.Z
  19 List_Part_10___ST_TNG__Season_3.Z     2 List_Part_5___STIV_TVH_.Z
  22 List_Part_11___ST_TNG__Season_4.Z     1 List_Part_6___STV_TFF_.Z
  18 List_Part_12___ST_TNG__Season_5.Z    17 List_Part_7___STVI_TUC_.Z
  11 List_Part_1___ST_TOS_.Z              14 List_Part_8___ST_TNG__Season_1.Z
   1 List_Part_2___ST_TMP_.Z              14 List_Part_9___ST_TNG__Season_2.Z

As always, additions/corrections/comments/questions are welcome.

Thanks, and enjoy! 

Completed:
  "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan"
  "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country"
  "ST:TNG" episode "The Best Of Both Worlds Part II"
  "ST:TNG" episode "The Wounded"
  "ST:TNG" episode "The Nth Degree"
  "ST:TNG" episode "Hero Worship"
  "ST:TNG" episode "Violations"
  "ST:TNG" episode "Conundrum"

New additions/corrections:
  "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country"

Under construction:
  (Nothing right now) 
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga ||"You're not the man I knew ten years ago."
AKA "Indiana" Koga   ||"It's not the years, honey.  It's the mileage."
ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu   ||--Marion R. & "Indiana" Jones, "Raiders Of The Lost Ark"
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From: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) 


Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com says:
|I generally refrain from smiley faces and such.  Simply a stylistic
|habit.  Nor do I write (ha ha) in letters.  It just seems like a crutch to
|me.  I'd much rather just say what I want to say, and if someone thinks
|I'm answering with one attitude when I mean quite another, then they can
|feel free to say so and I'll be happy to clarify it.

I'm somewhat suprised to hear you say that.  When writing, you use
phrases to describe how a person says something such as (wait a
minute, let me go get my copy of IMZADI):

        ' "You're busy," he said lamely.
        ' "I was," was Troi's pointed reply.'  (page 56)


so how is using smileys and the like a crutch?  I would think you
would be MORE apt to use them so you make sure people on the net
know what you mean.

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