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From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won Gold Medal
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:19:19 GMT
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
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In article <4416@disuns2.epfl.ch> hua@liasun6.epfl.ch (Kefeng Hua) writes:
>>But U.S. swimmers and coaches are candid with their suspicions. Results
>>at the Asian Games had shown a drastic drop in times from two years ago.
>>Sunday night Zhuang, ranked fourth in the world with a time of 55.27,
>>quickened to 54.64. Lin went from 4:47.15 to 4:36.73 within four months.
>
>The secret weapon is a training center up in the high maintains. There have been reports about it. That's one reason why performance can be improved in a short period of time. 

=========
From: huangzh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Huang)
Subject: Steroid (and more)

	--one common way (and the East Germen thought it was a good way) to
help keeping the strengthened muscles from fading back to normal after 
stopping using the drug, is to move the athletes to high latittude areas
before the games. Of course, there are many innovative ways to keep the 
drug trace out of the urine test samples while still keep the muscles.
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:15:04 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Jul30.151440.26612@ctr.columbia.edu> yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
>
>Swimmers are only randomly selected for drug test.  I'm not sure
>whether Lin Li and Zhuang Yong have been tested.
>
>As a netter pointed out only a few kinds of drugs are tested and
>there are many ways to avoid being caught.  For example, stop
>the drug use a few month before the test.

Dear Mr. Yuan Jiang,

This is outrageous. Since you have never had HIV test, you probably
have AIDS. Your father is probably a criminal. Your mother is
probably a prostitute. Your wife probably have had affair with other
men. You are probably a drug dealer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:44:20 GMT

In article <2803@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>In article <l75tg2INNqjh@alcor.usc.edu>, zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul25.171400.6304@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
...... 

>There was one US diver who was asked in an ABC program about why Chinese
>can do diving so well, he gave two reasons, one was because they worked hard
>the other was that it was the only thing in their lives, that was why they
>have to work so hard. Why can't he just accepts others are working harder
>and achieving better, other judgements are totally unnecessary.
>
I read this from World Journal: Why Chines won the Champaign Math
Olympic? because they spent 365 days a year in math. Well for a loser,
there is always something to say.

>Lin Can

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:24:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.094211.17134@ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
|> In article <fortony.712477195@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
|> >
|> >I understand you're angry for some reason, but statements like these
|> >make you look like a complete fool in public, like that fellow who
|> >said the U.S. was bad for bringing HIV to Olympia.  
|> 
|> I fully agree with you.  BTW, does anyone happen to know the U.S. policy
|> about allowing HIV infected people to enter the country.  And does anyone
|> have the e-mail address of the luxury suit/ concentration camp where our
|> Hatian guests are staying.

If our Hatian friends don't like getting free food and shelter, there is a
standing offer allowing them to return to Haiti anytime they wish, also
for free.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Introducing Tuya's grandpa ... (Re: Who would you marry?)
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:25:26 GMT
Distribution: soc,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In <1992Jul21.040518.25465@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> Tingli Pan quoted my
article <1992Jul20.130738.3505@arizona.edu>, which includes:
>>Tingli Pan guessed wrong. He is confused by the synonym. The character is
>>"wind" and not "mad" and I am not guessing.
and he added:
>It is "wind". But here the wind means "mate". Originally the phrase
>meant you can not mate a cow and a horse. But later on it means two
>unrelated things.

Well, at least he agreed that it is not "mad". Obviously, after doing
some research, he came up with the meaning "mate". There was long
standing arguement about the word Feng1 in that particular phrase and
a Zhuo Zhuan with complete footnotes will list all explanations from
previous generations. As I have said in another post, I would like to
see other examples of such use, but I'll be happy to leave this to
avoid long winded debates.

However, if you talk about mating a cow and a horse, you have fallen
into the trap of misinterpreting the interpretation (given by one who,
I believe, misinterpreted the original phrase). The explanation meant
to say: Letting the horses or cattles (from the two countries) running
wild (and free to mate) will not interbleed the horses or cattles from
the two places (because of the large distance involved). In "Qi1 Fa1
Chu3 Meng2 Zhoa1 Ling1", Chu Huang was talking about Qi Gong in the
North and he in the South, why would he suddenly changed from
separation of distance to intermixing of species? Now mating a
cow and a horse may be some kind of a joke, but looks like Chu Huang
should not be in the mood when his state is under attack.

DISCLAIMER: I just notice I have being writing "phase" instead of "phrase"
many times.

-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
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From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin ~{AVgb~})
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: [info] table of contents, HXWZ #69
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:59:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul24.055929.19076
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

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From: jan@cs.uq.oz.au (Chen Jan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:16:13 GMT
Reply-To: jan@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Jul24.042805.16087@math.ucla.edu> jli@broxton.math.ucla.edu (Jun Li) writes:

>I gather when Time says "China has only 60 swimming pools", it means that
>China has only 60 swimming pools that can hold international swimming
>competition. Certainly there are thousands recreation swimming pools and
>a lot of non-standardized swimming pools in China. Well, even millions of
>"big holes on the ground with water--if you call them pools".

Is it an invention of TIME reporters to use unrestrictive numbers for
multi-interpretations from readers? Gee, this must be a powerful way
to increase the subscriptions, especially from Ph.D's. :-)

CJ
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD: New York Times - Thompson Is Angered by Drug-Test Policies
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:46:29 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Jul29.053534.3524@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>
>The testing policy, ironically, is the result of much lobbying by the United
								       ^^^^^^
>States swimming officials, who were tired of having their medalists tested
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>repetitively during their domination in the 1970's.
>

I was told when I pass the airport, if there is a regulation to everyone
I should obey it. If it is specific to me I should protest it. I think
Zhuang Yong is right. I think any accusation to her is nonsense. Any
accusation without evidence is WRONG. Without any proof of wrong doing
on Zhuang Yong, it only shows how random and arbitrary the US media is.

Her gold is still shining, glorously.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:28:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.115133.1@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au> p_mahnken@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au writes:
>cshie.cs.ulowell.edu writes that-
[......] 
>
>Maybe these reasons are true!!  But the undeniable fact still remains that the
>PRC was beaten - well and truely - in its clash with Vietnam.  Thus displaying
>to the world that when it came to overseas adventurism, it was just a paper
>tiger.  No doubt remains that it was the Vietnamese who taught the PRC a
>lesson, because  since its embarrasment in 1979, the People's Liberation Army
>have been busy making itself a much leaner, meaner, fighting force. 
>Nevertheless though, the PLA's inmeptitude and Vietnam's victory made the 
>nations of East and Southeast Asia breathe a little easier - particularly the
>KMT government in Taiwan!!!
>  
>Andrew Papadimos.
>

They are beaten in the same sense that the US was beaten in Vietnam.  It's
not like that the Vietnamese recovered all that territories by themselves.  The
withdrawl was badly organized, one of the Chinese commander was a idiotic
die-hard Maoist ex-monk.  He was in command 'cause old Deng knows that he's
going to fail so he get rid of him.  Although the soldiers are 
miserable, if Deng decides to push forward instead of retreat, there is almost
no chance Hanoi can be hold since all the fortresses are captured, there
is very few Vietnamese troops to defend it.  

True the PLA is not a excellent fighting forces and its equipments are 
out-dated.  Paper Tiger might be an overstatement.  Remember America's
worst defeat since the battle of Bugle in WWII until today?  It's
when Peng DeHuai kicked MacArthur's butt so all the way back to S. Korea from
the YaLu river in the winter of 1950, and he did it with the same
inmeptitude PLA, and 1/3 of them are KMT turncoats.  


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: kai1@dasher.uucp (Kai Chiu)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Reply-To: kai1@dasher.UUCP (Kai Chiu)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:23:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.192411> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

>I think we should admire the absence of HIV in the Communist Chinese Olympic
>team. We should also note that some of the measures taken to prevent HIV are
>done on a voluntary basis. After all, we Americans don't have the courage to
>drown all of our female children. This voluntary action by Chineese parents
>should be parised. Why, in a few decades, there will hardly be any women left,
>thus dramatically cutting down on sex, thus preventing one of the primary
>routes for the spread of aids.
> 

The comment about US teams bringing HIV to the Olmpics was very silly, but 
this crap is sick. 

Yes, Mr. Solinsky, we americans don't have the courage to drown all 
of our female children, but we do have the courage to let them
grow, and to molest, abuse, use for child porn, impregnate at 
early age, drug, rape, prostitute, discriminate against, 
and finally murder All Of Them!

Is this all you want to say?

     
>Jason W. Solinsky


Kai Chiu
kai1@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Bell Communications Research, Inc.              
Tel: (908) 699-7338 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:50:43 GMT

byang@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bin Yang) writes:
> A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
> the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
> in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 

Well, I have checked out the article, which is in the 1992 Summer Games
special issue with the title "China's Chosen Ones" by William A. Henry III
(and at the end of the article, it has a caption "Reported by Mia Turner/
Beijing"). The following is what it says:

"... But in a nation with only 60 swimming pools, there are 10 elite
diving schools. ..."

This doesn't sound like a typo. Even if it only applies to 
indoor swimming pools, the figure is still questionable. Beside,
I assume that the authors must also have the figure of all pools
since that figure should be easier to obtain than the indoor
figure. And obviously that no. could be much larger such that
that sentence may not make much sense. Thus, if the authors
have picked the indoor no. but left out the keyword indoor, I find 
it hard to believe that this is due to sloppy work rather than
intentional.

In any case, I think this time Xiao GangBus who have been working 
hard on West-media-bashing do have a strong case. So go ahead, screw 
these two guys or even Times as hard as you could. But make sure you 
got the figures right before you do.

Steven
------
63. Remember that all news is biased.
	- Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Subject: <<Pay Respect to Brave Men>>
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:37:22 GMT

Jiang-jun Ling (General's Orders) is a popular Cantonese song
in Hong Kong, the theme song of Li Lian-jie's "Wong Fei Hung"
kung-fu series, and regularly sung at Karaoke's.
 
Lo Kwok-Jim put in new words for this song.  The crowd sang
this inspiring song at the Hong Kong Alliance  Victoria Park
commemoration this past June 4.
 
Here is an English translation, and the original Chinese .gb
file.
 
----------------------------------------------------------------
 
<<Pay Respect to Brave Men>>
 
Music:  Jiang-jun Ling (General's Orders)
Words: Lu Guo-zhan (Lo Kwok-Jim)
 
Teary eyes are still staring into the distance,
Maybe no one would like to talk about it any more.
Did not expect today, we would gather here together,
Once again remember what happened,
Once again think about our China.
We remember together in our hearts, to pay respect to brave men;
So many good brave men, please all come to our gathering place,
We hope you can recognize, the twinkling tears of June 4.
(Music ... ah, ya, hei.)
 
* Hope you know that I walk on the same road as you.
That day, that night, I was pained just like you.
I  was  confined at this place,
  could not go forward shoulder to shoulder with you,
And I am already at a loss for words to express my heartbreak.
(Music ... ah, ya.)
 
Also hope that you all need not be sad and angry,
  do not be sad and angry!
The night of June 4, I saw you go with my own eyes,
I have suffered sorrow alone;
  even though our wishes have not yet been fulfilled,
The Great Cause is still in our hearts!
(Music ... ah, ya.)
Even  though  we  feel it is hard to change things,
  even though our wishes have not been fulfilled,
The Great Cause is still in our hearts!
 
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From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal
Date: 28 Jul 1992 15:16:15 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <2823@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>Can't a body builder go to run or swim and get a medal? 
>
>Male or female is not dependent on how muscular they are.
>
>Lin Can

  Right. Do you still remember  that two mucular woman was awarded
tens of thousands $$ upon winning a case against a  police woman who
strip searched the two after seeing them in a women's restroom?
From: v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:13:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The Time made me happy. I have swam in at least 10, swimming pool in China. 
Four in Beijing, two in Hangzhou, and one, believe me or not, in 
Ningxia.

So I swam in 1/6 of China's swimming pool, according to that stupid guy.
Am I lucky?

Hsi
From: liang@cs.arizona.edu (Song Liang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: arrogance
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:52:38 GMT


    I didn't feel so strongly the U.S arrogance until this Olympic started.
As many netters have pointed out, NBC's commentators's derogatory comments
on Chinese players are really hard to put up with, not to mention the
rumors about steroid usage.  When showing today's men's diving prilim, 
the NBC commetator asked a question when Tan Liangde leaded by a big
margin, "how many gold medals have Chinese men divers won in Olympic history?",
after a brief pause, he answered the question cockyly:"None, the best they
got was a silver".   Any reasonable people should agree that in last Olympic
Game in Seoul, the men's platform gold medal should have gone to China's
Xiong Ni if the judges hadn't helped Loganis(sp?) of the U.S team in an unusual
way.   Nobody can deny the U.S is a great country, but the breath of mind of
some (famous) people make me really upset.


Song

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:06:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.004703.25621@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <fortony.712455562@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>       At least Chinese team did not carry HIV to Olympia, U.S.'s did.
					    **************
>       U.S.'s gym team is as young as China's Diving Team. NBC were trying to 
>  portraying China's atheletes the way you describe! That is Americans'
>   sour_grape mentality! 
>>

Mr. Shi,

Your statement is quite disgusting and your defense is most stupid.

Dinkar.
From: szhou@remus.rutgers.edu (Shiyu Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Date: 31 Jul 92 06:36:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <liang.711919174@ash.cs.scarolina.edu> liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang) writes:

> [stuffs deleted...]
> 
> True. In fact, it was more tensed along the Sino-USSR border at that time.
> Right before the PLA initiated the border operation, Deng visited USA and 
> got promise from Carter that USA would intervene if USSR didn't behave.
> And from the very beginning, China pledged that the operation was restrained
> in scale and time. The purpose was to give Vietnam a warning that it should  
> behave. 
> 
> [stuffs deleted...]


From which source do you know that USA would intervene in case of, if
the source is not kind of secret?  I doubt Carter would represent USA
to support China in this sort of operation.

Cheers,

ming
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