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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The massacre of Turkish Cypriots in Paphos and Famagusta.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:53:59 GMT

In article <Sep04.160611.23126@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

>Turkish municipal rule. After all, in the period after the first elections
>of the Republic of Cyprus and before the British surrendered power, the
>latter had captured a Turkish ship gunrunning to Cyprus. The Turkish
>Cypriots, however, insisted that the mixed areas be under the jurisdiction

Hold on, "Car*", hold on. Article IV of the 1960 Tripartite Treaty 
of Guarantee among Great Britain, Turkiye, and Greece gave Turkiye 
the right to intervene if the 1960 agreement was violated. When 
Greece invaded the island on July 15, 1974, and then tried to annex 
it, the Turkish government acted to establish an area in northern 
Cyprus where Turkish Cypriots could live free of fear.

The August 30, 1974, "Die Zeit" German newspaper report of "the 
Massacre of Turkish Cypriots in Paphos and Famagusta," proves how 
justified the Turks were in undertaking their intervention.

In 1974, on the Island of Cyprus, Turks prevented Rightist Greek 
revolutionaries from toppling the Cypriot Makarios government. This 
involvement brought down the Rightest general's junta on the mainland
and allowed Greece to return to democracy.

For the record, Turkiye did not invade Cyprus. Turkiye fulfilled its 
lawful obligation, as Greece and Britain could also have done, to 
protect the integrity of Cyprus, which had fallen into the hands of 
the military junta then ruling Greece. Ironically, the Turkish action 
benefited Greece immensely by giving the Junta a bloody nose and opening 
the way for democracy to return to Atina.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: M. C. Ertem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turkiye'nin sesi radyosu
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:03:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ulug@tigris.eng.ohio-state.edu (Batuhan Ulug)
Subject: Re: looking for Tansel
Keywords: Tansel at University of Toledo
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:58:41 GMT

Tansel's e-mail address is :

TOZKAN@uoft02.utoledo.edu

Hope this helps.

Batuhan Ulug
-- 
Batuhan Ulug
Graduate Research Assistant
Department of Electrical Engineering
The Ohio State University
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
Subject: Re: "sipas" Don't Remember Cyprus
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:41:44 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Sep9.011842.27510@eecs.nwu.edu> efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:

>What amazes me is your bold and inflexible way of looking at the situation.

Ugh. The people of Turkiye, following Sampson's coup, urged first 
Greece then Britain to intervene. Both refused. Therefore, Turkiye 
had to intervene militarily to live up to her treaty responsibilities. 
What 'sipas' and anti-Turkish lobby conveniently decline to do is to 
reveal the massacres that Greeks and Greek Cypriots perpetrated on the 
Turkish Cypriots for almost 20 years prior to 1974. 


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Yes, Remember Cyprus
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:51:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <BuABIE.Gyo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(Besime Erin) writes:
>
>I used to write moderate articles too but after I went home and so the
>situation in place once again, talked to my people etc. and see how 
>they feel (i.e. they don't want to get together with the Greeks again 
>because they have not forgotten their experiences) I kind-of changed my mind.

They don't want to unify the island because they don't want to return back
the stolen property. It's that simple.

>Also I have been writing in response to the fanatics around here 
>lately(Caroutas, Theodore David, Serafim etc.) and thus my articles have

I am not a fanatic. What makes you feel that I am one?

>I believe if the Turkish and Greek Cypriots are to ever understand each other
>it's going to be thru the eyes of moderates. 

Fact is that President Vassileiou is moderate and reasonable. Denktash is
not.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Mustafa S's misconceptions
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:16:20 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

mistik@mistik.anatolia.mn.org (Mustafa Soysal) writes:

>have to do with the properness of announcements in this newsgroup? And
>while you are at remembering, who scanned someone's picture in violation
>of copyright law and put it on ftp?  Any relations between you and that group?

Charming. Mutlu et al posts the entire contents of libraries to the net
and everyone yells 'fair use'.
Someone scans a small picture from a magazine and it's 'violation of copyright
law'

Aren't US copyright laws wonderful folks?

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: secsu@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ralph O. Clark)
Subject: Re: Greece Was The Sole Perpetrator Of Invasion On That Island.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  5 Sep 1992 17:22 EST  

In article <9209022146.A0964Nm@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes...
> 
> 
> 
> 
><2SEP199217465330@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>
>secsu@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ralph O. Clark)
> 
>>>Sure. Now, try this one.
>>> 
>>>        The  Letter  Sent by Archbishop Makarios to the President of  the 
>>>        Greek Republic, General Phaedon Gizikis on 2 July 1974
> 
>>[Makarios' letter, previously posted many times by HBM, deleted]
> 
>Too bad.
> 
>>I get it. So a letter written before the coup and invasion has some bearing
>>on the question of what happened to people captured by Turks during the
>>invasion?
> 
>Excuse me.
> 
>>point is that the so-called "agnooumenoi" ("missing people") were captured
>>by Turkish troops and never seen again. No number of "official" documents,
>>especially those written before the coup, can alter this.
> 
>Be my guest.
> 
>Source: Statement made by Mr. Evangelos Yannopoulus - the Greek Minister
>	of Maritime Affairs, ELEFTHEROTIPIA, July 4, 1988
> 

[Yannopoulos' statement deleted for the 2nd time in this thread]

What happened? A short circuit? You already posted this, and I answered it.
I hope you can do better than just spew out these two letters.

What I really asked for is *your* opinion on several questions, among
which was the question of the missing people. If you post either Yannopoulos'
statement or Makarios' letter again, or revert to irrelevant postings
about Greeks vs Jews, Turks, etc., then this entire newsgroup will
know that you really are just an AI program.

At least, will some other Turkish netter address these questions?

>Serdar Argic
> 

Ralph Clark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: karabulu@cae.wisc.edu (Hasan Karabulut)
Subject: Re: Turkish Tea
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:57:47 CDT

>In article <1868aqINN1ik@overload.lbl.gov>, palaio@ux1.lbl.gov (Nicholas P Palaio) writes:
>|> Last year I traveled to Turkey and really took a liking to the tea served
>|> there.  I was able to bring a small amount home with me to the US, but
>|> now I have unfortunately ran out.
>|> 
>|> My question is - Is there anywhere Turkish-grown tea can be purchased by
>|> mail-order or in person (I live in the SF Bay Area) in the US.  I recall
>|> one of my guidebooks saying that it was not permitted to export tea from
>|> Turkey.  
>|> 
>|> Thanks in advance for your help.
>|> 
>|> Nick Palaio

You can purchase it by mail-order from a Turkish Market I know. The
address and phone numbers are:

Buhara Mini Market
967 Main Street
Paterson, NJ 07503

phone: (201) 345-1382

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin,news.admin.policy
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: Re: Spero violating US Constitution.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:51:24 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <SES.92Sep14120732@cmns-moon.think.com> ses@cmns-moon.think.com (Simon Edward Spero) writes:

>Hey, call me Simon! 

Not very libby, really.

>Considering that nobody's done anything yet, and that
>as Randall Scwartz said, the 1st amendment doesn't apply, your subject

So, you've been known to shake your fist and yell at the sky at times.
Get a life or a cup of Turkish coffee.

>line is obviously a massive libel- expect to recieve email from my virtual
>lawyers (what do you mean  mail bounces - so do lawyers, if you drop them

According to my lawyers, it always works. 

>from a high enough building). Aside from that, no one wants to censor you;
>we just want you to follow the guidelines of nettiquette. 

As usual, you are barking up the wrong tree. I never said a word about
you posting your bigotry/insult to news.*. Now, what do you have to say?


CIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh :

"Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle 
 on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians 
 overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the 
 area. 'The world is turning its back on what's happening here. We are dying 
 and you are just watching,' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists."
 Helen Womack
 The Independent, 2/29/92

Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:

"The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the 
 women and children.  They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees.  
 The few survivors later described what happened: 'That's when the real 
 slaughter began,' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive.  
 'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving 
 up people with their bayonets and knives.'  A 45-year-old man who had been 
 shot in the back  said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened 
 up on us and people were falling all around.  My wife fell, then my child."
 Thomas Goltz
 Sunday Times, 3/1/92

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Spiros Triantafyllopoulos's and David Morning's misconceptions
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:19:44 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

mistik@mistik.anatolia.mn.org (Mustafa Soysal) writes:

>> mistik@mistik.anatolia.mn.org (Mustafa Soysal) writes: 
>> >have to do with the properness of announcements in this newsgroup? And 
>> >while you are at remembering, who scanned someone's picture in violation
>> >of copyright law and put it on ftp? Any relations between you and that group? 
>> Charming.  Mutlu et al posts the entire contents of libraries to the net
>> and everyone yells 'fair use'. 

>We don't agree there.  Mutlu and others use paragraphs of quotes in
>order to show a point in history.  It might be even considered
>educational purpose, if not personal.  Those uses are permitted, and you
>can read it in almost any copy shop around town.  (here, US)

The quantity of text is restricted under law, you can't just go willy-nilly
copying big chunks and releasing it in the public domain. The 'educational
purposes' part relates to use for educational purposes *within* and educational
establishment. Even 'educational use' has restrictions on the quantity - here
in the UK, where the Berne Convention operates, students and copy shops are
regularly bust each year for photocopying large parts of course text books.
I seriously doubt if Usenet would be considered an 'educational establishment'.

Simple example:- My wife is a modern languages teacher, teaching French and
German. She was preparing a course in German for her pupils using single
sentence extracts from various modern German magazines. She was required,
despite the fact that it was being used within an educational establishment
for educational purposes, under International copyright law to seek permission
(and in some cases pay a fee) to inlude one measly sentence from the magazines.

You may be right about the picture, but equally it would hold true for text.
Having said all that, if someone came stomping all over Usenet enforcing
copyright law, it would virtually end any meaningful debate so, I wouldn't rock
the boat too much on this issue.

>> Someone scans a small picture from a magazine and it's 'violation of copyright
>> law'

>What is the purpose of it? Even scanning and not posting it without
>permission is prohibited, unless it is for personal use or educational
>matters.  Posting someone's picture to subject him to anonymous terror
>and harrasment is not 'fair use' as permitted by the laws.

As far as I'm aware, the individual didn't post it, someone else did. The
individual deposited it in an ftp site where you had to go and retrieve it.
Equally, you could have popped down to your local library, got hold of a copy
of the magazine it was in and view it that way, maybe even photocopy it.

As to the motives, I think they were obviously intended to annoy Mutlu.

Dave

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From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Subject: Soccer News
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:16:30 GMT

3.Hafta:(9/6)

Aydinspor       0     Altay           1
Trabzonspor     3     Ankaragucu      1
Bursaspor       1     Konyaspor       0
Fenerbahce      0     Sariyer         1
Kocaelispor     1     Gaziantepspor   2
Besiktas        1     Bakirkoyspor    0
Genclerbirligi  0     Kayserispor     4
Karsiyaka       1     Galatasaray     2


Puan durumu:

                0  G  B  M   A    Y    P
-------------------------------------------
Bursaspor       3  3  -  -    8   1    9
Altay           3  3  -  -    4   1    9
Trabzonspor     3  2  1  -    7   1    7
Besiktas        3  2  1  -    5   3    7
Kocaelispor     3  2  -  1   12   7    6
Fenerbahce      3  2  -  1    7   3    6
Galatasaray     3  2  -  1    6   3    6
Karsiyaka       3  1  1  1    5   3    4
Ankaragucu      3  1  -  2    5   4    3
Kayserispor     2  1  -  2    8  11    3
Gaziantepspor   3  1  -  2    4   8    3
Aydinspor       3  1  -  2    2   6    3
Sariyer         3  1  -  2    2   7    3
Konyaspor       3  -  1  2    1   3    1
Bakirkoyspor    3  -  -  3    3   9    -
Genclerbirligi  3  -  -  3    -  10    -


4.Hafta:(9/13)

Ankaragucu-Bursaspor
Altay-Trabzonspor
Kayserispor-Karsiyaka
Bakirkoyspor-Genclerbirligi
Gaziantepspor-Besiktas
Sariyer-Kocaelispor
Konyaspor-Fenerbahce
Galatasaray-Aydinspor


NOT: Gecen hafta Kayserispor-Besiktas macinda Besiktas'in gollerini
     Feyyaz (2) ve B. Metin atmislar. Besiktas'da Bako, K.Ali, B.Ali,
     Sifo Mehmet ve Madida sakatliklari devam ettigi icin hali hazirda
     oynamiyorlar. Mehmet Bakirkoy macinda belki oynar deniyordu.


----------------------------------------------------------------
 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax Systems, Valley Forge Labs, Research and Development
________________________________________________________________
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 1 Eylul
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:39:34 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering


1 Eylul /Zaman/ Sayfa 2

...Gecen hafta Sirnak'ta meydana gelen olaylardaki sis
perdesi aralandikca hic de PKK baskinina benzemeyen bir
teror havasinin meydana getirildigini hep birlikte
gorduk. Bazi basin yayin organlari Sirnak'taki olaylari
PKK baskini gibi gostermeye israrla devam etmek istemesine 
ragmen bolgeye giden muhabirlerimiz halkla ve yetkililerle
yaptiklari gorusmelerde Sirnak Tugay Komutani Mete Sarar'in
Beytussebab'ta oldurulen usttegmen kardesinin intikamini
Sirnaklilardan cikardigi izlenimi ile donduler...

Sayfa 1

SIRNAKLI GERI DONMEK ISTEMIYOR

Sirnak'ta yasanan olaylardan sonra Kumcati koyune goceden
vatandaslar, sartlar ne olursa olsun Sirnak'a geri donmeyeceklerini
soylediler.


-sy-
From: OKVH$HA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: PLEASE READ PART TWO. RE:BU YAZIYI OKUYUN VE USLANIN
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:45:06 GMT
Organization: Yale University

PS:  PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE RESPECT YOUR FREEDOM TO MAKE YOURSELVES HEARD.
BUT THIS IS NO GROUNDS FOR PERSONAL SLURS AND INSULTS.  FOR THOSE WHO ARE
INTERESTED IN INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION AND COLLABORATION, I WOULD SUGGEST,
INTERNATIONAL REGIMES BY KRASNER AND KEOHANE'S"INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND..
" AS SUCCESSFUL BOOKS.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Turkiye
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:19:45 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) wrote:
> A while ago I read a news report on this newsgroup, about clashes
> between an organization called Dev Sol and the police in either
> Ankara or Istanbul. I was wondering if Dev Sol is actually a group of
> anarchists or other political activists. 

They are not anarchists, though the Turkish police like to call them that.
They split off from a larger sort-of-Trotskyist grouping in the late 70s;
their political analysis is a variant of the back-to-Stalinism-without-
saying-so common to several other European armed-or-thinking-about-it
once-Trotskyist groups (GRAPO in Spain, the Red Brigades in Italy, Rote
Armee Fraktion in Germany, Revolutionary Communist Party in the UK).  Their
actions have been so remarkably counterproductive, and have generated them
so little mass support, that one has to wonder if they aren't partly run by
state provocateurs.

There are several much bigger left groups in Turkey with more conventional
tactics (like, actually trying to get people to join them in mass actions).
Dev Sol's antics disrupt this sort of effort; they're probably meant to.

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From: KELLY@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Test
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:22:19 EDT

Test Tuesday 02:23 a. 9/8/92
From: sinan@milton.u.washington.edu (Sinan Karasu)
Subject: Re: Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit: Take a course in Math
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:20:52 GMT

 Mutlu threatens people? I find that hard to believe. I could believe him to
stoop down to being sleazy , but I could nor believe him to be THAT sleazy...
( I guess one does not stoop "down" to be sleazy. Pardon my English).
I'd like to hear from people that he has threatened. I'll keep it in total
confidence and post only the numbers.

sinan@milton.u.washington.edu

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From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Yes, Remember Cyprus
Keywords: taksim
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:21:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

>>  Has Greece and the Greek Cypriots paid for their crimes ? Only to a certain
>>                                               extent. Thanks to Turkey!
>
>It's not a crime to shoot armed bandits.

Is that what you will continue to say about the mass-murder graves in various
villages which included mostly women and 3-month old babies, children etc. etc.? 
Besime.
>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas
>
>"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish