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Subject: Varnish/Stain Suggestions
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 09:44:00 -0800


TR>I am looking for suggestions/inputs on durable stain and varnish
TR>products.  I recently inherited a 1954 16' runabout made by Hollywood
TR>Boats (Tacoma, WA).  Anyway, this boat has unfortunately been stored
TR>outside for the last year and a half.  All of the wood needs refinishing
TR>desperately.  I am asking for suggestions as to stain/varnish product lines
TR>that can really bring this beauty back to life.  In addition, I would like
TR>to find a product that will stand up to the elements with exceptional
TR>durability.

The product you are looking for does NOT exist!! But all is not lost.
Preparation for varnishing is extremely important.  Wood MUST be clean
and DRY. Heavy sand to remove all traces of previous coatings. Continue
sanding with finer grits up to at least 180 (preferably 220).  Wipe (to
remove any dust particles with tack cloth or a rag lightly dampend with
TURPENTINE (do not use regular solvent). Thin the first coat of varnish
with solvent recommended by manufacturer by 20%.  This is to allow the
coating to penetrate as deep in to the wood pores as possible. Thin
second coat 10%, 3rd coat full strength.  Buy the best quality varnish
available with the highest UV inhibitor.  Sand with 180-220 grit paper
between coats.  Do not varnish in direct sunlight, or when windy (the
varnish dries too fast).  Have patience to apply at LEAST 10 coats.  I'm
starting to become a believer in the use of sponge applicators (as
opposed to bristle brushes as they do not shed hair and they work well
with a little practice.) Because no product will stand up indefinitely
it will be necessary to sand and reapply to new coats annually.  Good
Luck

 * SLMR 2.0 * Save a tree.  Eat a beaver.


From: gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:12:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Lightning
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Please post responses.  We have lightening storms EVERY DAY on the
lake where I boat.

gt

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From: wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT)
Subject: Olympic race results
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:17:00 GMT

The following race results were listed in the Houston Chronicle on
Wednesday, July 29th.  There was no story accompanying the listing (I'm
suprised that the paper listed this much, based on their America's Cup
coverage).  To save time, I'll just list the countries.

Flying Dutchman
Regatta 1
1. Spain
2. Britain
3. Germany
Regatta 2
1. United States
2. Spain
3. Denmark

Women's 470
Regatta 1
1. France
2. Unified Team (i.e. - the former Soviet Union)
3. Finland
Regatta 2
1. Japan
2. Spain
3. Italy

Men's 470
Regatta 1
1. Spain
2. Finland
3. Israel
Regatta 2
1. Brazil
2. United States
3. Britain

Star
Regatta 1
1. Portugal
2. United States
3. Canada
Regatta 2
1. United States
2. Brazil
3. New Zealand

Soling
Regatta 1
1. United States
2. Denmark
3. Germany

Tornado
Regatta 1
1. United States
2. Denmark
3. Italy

Women's Lechner
Regatta 1
1. New Zealand
2. China
3. Canada
Regatta 2
1. France
2. Netherlands
3. Britain

Men's Lechner
Regatta 1
1. Fiji
2. Greece
3. United States
Regatta 2
1. Italy
2. Belgium
3. France

Finn
Regatta 1
1. Brazil
2. Spain
3. Britain
Regatta 2
1. United States
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden

Europe dinghy
Regatta 1
1. United States
2. Ireland
3. Estonia

I'll post more results as I find them.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kent Leverich
Texas A&M University
WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
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From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Subject: Re: Crew
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:22:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

mhaines@jarthur.claremont.edu (Matthew Haines) writes:

>I seem to have the usual"can't get any experience
>because I don't have any experience" problem.

At the Sonar NA's two years ago, we picked up a guy off the end of the
dock. As we were sailing out to the start line, I asked him how much
sailing he'd done.

"This is the first time I've been on a sailboat."

He'd just moved from the midwest. He came to see his big brother sail.

We won the regatta. His brother was _monumentally_ pissed that Max
stepped off the end of the dock and onto the trophy. It was a _very_
heavy air regatta, so we really needed him.

Just go down to the end of the dock and act available. I've never seen
any reasonably sized fleet that didn't have a boat or two sailing
short-handed. Even a complete novice is better than nothing.
From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Frostbiting (Was: Man Overboard, again)
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:14:04 GMT
	<1992Jul22.163419.22359@webo.dg.com> <wygm6#p.greg@netcom.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science

Well, Dyer Dinks are pretty damn dry.  I only went in three times
this spring in just a few layers of synthetic pile, long underwear,
and foul weather pants.

We have active chase boat volunteers who come to our rescue by roaring
over and then asking with the enthusiasm of Bette Davis you if you
want help, and just generally imputing that you're a pusillanimous
wimp if you don't get your ass back in the boat, and you can very well
bail while you finish the race.

The best part is when you take a boat that's nearly as wide as it is
long, and put all the weight forward, lifting the skeg out of the
water, and giving a submerged profile that is two times as wide as it
is long, pull the centerboard all the way up and try to steer a
straight course to the leeward mark.

Steph
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From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Cruise control for ski boat
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:55:32 GMT

>
>PREFACE: I am a tournament driver for water ski competitions.
>
>the proper subtleties required to provide a smooth and consistent pull.  I
>even change the settings on many tournament inboards for slalom events (I
>usually disable the 4-barrel so that it does not kick in and out as the skier
>pulls/releases the pull).
>
>
>-Jay's $0.02 worth
>
>John W. Huber, Jr. - aka Jay   | Penguins - 1991,1992 Stanley Cup Champions
 
Jay mentioned (above) that he disables the 4-barrel so that it does not kick
in and out.  I've been tempted to do the same thing many times.  My
son skies at about 3200 RPM on our MasterCraft (27 +- MPH).  When we have
few people on board watching, that is just the point where the 4-barrell
cuts in - and nearly pulls him out of the water.
 
Only constant attention keeps the speed even reasonably steady.  Now, I don't
claim to be a competition drive - but we do ski about 10 hours/week and have
for years - so I know which way to push the throttle - but how do you deal
with the 4-barrell kick?  And why to the stupid boat builders make a ski
boat with a kick in the position where the most sensitive speed control
is required.
 
Has anyone successfully done a throttle-body fuel injection conversion?  If
so, how did it work on the kick?
 
As you would expect, our MasterCraft has ample "hole-shot" power to pull
everyone we know up on one ski each - at the same time.  She has sufficient
top speed (about 39mph) for family skiing - but not enough "hole-shot" or
top speed for beginning-grade barefoot skiers (at least, we haven't been
successful - use a friends Nautique) so I'm not trying to change the
characteristics - just get rid of the mid-range kick when the 3ed and 4th
barrell kick in.
 
BTW:  Does anyone have any good ideas what to do when you pick up a tank of
water?  Since last Friday, I've drained about 1/2 cup/hour of water from
the fuel separators (fortunately, I have two!), but I hate to throw out the
fuel and can't figure an easy way to separate it.
 
On our sailboat, we occasionaly have to build or rent a scrubber to remove
the water - but I can't figure out how to gain access to the tank on the
MasterCraft without taking 1/2 the boat apart.
 
/Stu
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How to measure speed across the water
Date: 31 Jul 1992 16:21:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 16497@cbnews.cb.att.com, jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) writes:
> Netters:
> 	I have a sailboat and I want to cruise. I have been studying 
> the Chapman navigation book and have found it very useful. I am 
> learning how to construct my DR plot and discovered something lacking.
> That is, a way to measure my speed across the water. I don't have a
> device aboard that will provide that for me other than, perhaps, a
> watch.
> 
> 	Anyway, I have seen plenty of expensive gear in the marine
> catalogs that have little paddle wheels, etc for measuring your
> speed. There must be a low tech low cost way of doing the same thing.
> 
> 
> 		

There is such an "instrument" called a knot stick that seems to be what you are 
looking for.  I have used one occasionally for many years.  Actually, I find it
most useful for the first year or so after I buy a new boat - after that I have
learned what speed feels like on that boat and can estimate my speed about as
well as the knot stick.

The know stick is a plastic tube with calibrated with lines on the outside that
show speed.  Inside the tube is a disk that can move up and down the tube.  This 
disk is the "pointer" that shows speed.  Attached to one end of the disk is a spring.
A line is attached to the other.  A small weighted cylinder is attached to the other
end of the line. (There is also a disk that can be added to the cylinder to give
a low-speed capability to the tube calibrations.  The line is elastic, which is 
intended to dampen out the system and keep the speed from fluctuating too much.

The "instrument" is simple, and works fairly well - but not nearly as well as an
electronic knot/log.  My guess is they cost twenty some dollars, but I have not
checked in a very long time.  Last I saw then, they were at West Marine, but 
would expect that most any of the marine mail order places would have them.

Good Luck,

Jeff Huntington
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From: kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu (John Kaufman)
Subject: Baja and the Greek Waters Pilot
 
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:24:09 GMT

 I'll try once more. Does anyone out there in netland have any experience
with bare-boat charters in Baja? I've heard that Moorings in La Paz has a 
50 mile radius limitation on sailing distance, and a decent boat is hard to
come by. Cruising Connection out of San Francisco is sending me some info,
but the agent claims chartering there is h
somewhat unrefined yet. Opinions?? Advice???

OK- my second dream cruise is in Greek waters. Stu Bell was kind enough a few
months back to supply me with some very useful information in preparation for
such an undertaking. The Greek Waters Pilot by Heikell was said to be a must.
I checked my local bookstore, and they can get a copy- for $165.00. Yeeowww.
Powell's in Portland doesn't have it. Anyone have an idea where I may be able
to pick up a second-hand copy?  Other advice???

jk


"I am what I am and that's all that I am"

                                 Popeye the Sailor
From: CHRIS@csclan.cs.com (Chris Rousseau)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:14:37 GMT
Reply-To: CHRIS@csclan.cs.com (Chris Rousseau)
Organization: Computer Support Corporation, Dallas, Texas.
News-Software: CNEWS Novell/MSDOS inews ver 11Sep91



>I paid $185/month in South Beach Harbor, in a prime location in
>San Francisco. When I was in South San Francisco, and kind of 

What size boat could you safely fit in a slip at this rate?  I assume
this allowed fairly ready access to the bay?  Rough calculation puts
us at about $4.15/ft/mo minimum 26' (that's with the cheapest payment
plan: yearly lease, lump sum payment ~1300/yr).  This is on a relatively
small freshwater lake with so-so facilities, little security, and
questionable management attitudes.

>South Beach seems to have a sort of "take it or leave it" attitude,
>which is odd because they are still not full. They promise every new
>tenant permanent and adequate shower facilities, "real soon now,"
>but "real soon now" seems no closer than ever. They even tried to

In our case, we are just now getting fresh water and dependable 110v
out on the docks.  It took them a couple of years just to get the 
water working.  Then they show what appear to be inflated costs to
the US Army Corps of Engineers (who control the lake and all the
private concessioneers) when they ask for yearly rate hikes.

>Inversely proportional to desirability of location. In the less 
>desirable locations (farther from the good sailing) the facilities
>seem to be very, very nice. 

We seem to be suffering from a good location.  We're right in the
middle of the Dallas/Fort Worth area.  Also, I think the marinas are
capitalizing on our sailing club.  If you want to sail or race here,
you have to pay their price (unless you want to trailer in a couple
times a week).  They control all the major marinas on the lake.
Our club has suffered measurably due to the increasing number of
people who just cant see paying the marina for what they are(n't)
providing.

>Sound market-driven? You bet it does.

Nail on the head.

>I think that tenants' associations could do a lot to improve
>conditions in marinas. Particularly those who have yacht clubs
>associated with them have a built-in pressure group. But it
>rarely seems to happen.
 
Our club officially has a good working relationship with the marina
since the club is not intended or used as a collective bargaining
organisation.  We are a sailing club.  I was wondering if any of you
might have personal experience in which strings are the best to pull
in this type of situation?  Would an organization such as BoatUS be
of any help?

I am intentionally not naming the marina or the club (don't want any
accidental thefts or sinkings), but any readers from d/fw probably
know who/what I'm talking about.

>Greg


Thanks for the reply,
Chris
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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: No More Olympics Sailing News/Results
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:30:40 GMT

Sorry folks...no more clari.sports.olympic postings from me.  Such postings
may violate my University's contract with Clarinet and/or the copyright laws.
 
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
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From: ennisj@tt.com (Jay Ennis)
Subject: Jelly Fish Sting
Organization: Telecommunications Techniques Corporation, Germantown MD
Distribution: md,dc,va
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:44:41 GMT

I have had my fair share of jellyfish stings in the past, but if what I
(and my wife) have is actually a jellyfish sting, it is very different.
About two and a half weeks ago I may have brushed my hand against one while
scraping the prop in Swan Creek.  It did not hurt much at all then.  A few
days later my wife had what looked like a very dark red burn on her hand. A
day or so later it became raw and peeled.  A few days after that, a similar,
dark red burn showed up on my hand.  It looks almost like it was spraypainted
on through a mask (sharp irregular patterns, if you know what I mean).  Mine
really itched like hell every once in a while for most of last week.  Now it
is just starting to peel, but the redness is still present underneath.

My doctor says it almost has to be a jellyfish.  Has anyone encountered this
type of sting before?  Is this something new to the Bay?  Jellyfish did not
really bother me before, but if this is what it is going to be like...

Thanks in advance.


-- 
Jay Ennis 
ennisj@fb.tt.com                 "The sea is your wife, your ship your mistress,
                                  and the land a treacherous whore"
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 03:34:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Okay, I'll followup to my own too-long follow-up.
 
It has always struck me as ironic, given the number of lawyers 
which seem to frequent yacht clubs, that they have not done more
for their members in terms of "negotiating" with associated marinas.
 
For example, when our harbormaster threatened to cut off the water,
rather than adapting less draconian conservation measures, I called
the South Beach Yacht Club and said "I'd be interested in joining,
if the Club shows interest in improving conditions in the Marina."
They never responded to the call. When I wrote a letter to the 
Redevelopment agency, one of a few which led to a more sane policy,
I copied the president of the yacht club. Again, not even an
acknowledgement when sent... ...or a thank-you when it worked!
 
So I didn't join. 
 
The Yacht-Club, on the other hand, had to permit access to IT'S
restrooms to all Marina Tenants, as a condition to being allowed
to place its club-house on the property!
 
It always seemed to me, since the staff persisted in representing
the permanent restroom facilities as "coming next year," for four
years, that there was some potential leverage.
 
  1. A sharp lawyer could have held them to the contract they
     had made with dozens of people, under threat of massive
     refunds. The term "class action" suit comes to mind.
  2. The building permits for the Marina probably specified the
     more adequate facilities. It might have been possible to
     enjoin them from renting any more slips, until the specified
     facility was installed.
  3. There is a regional agency, the BCDC, which is a "czar" for
     all coastal development. Ugly, temporary, buildings probably 
     didn't figure in South Beach's BCDC approval.
 
Why are people such sheep?
 
Greg
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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: problems with steering (sailboat)
Keywords: steering
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:46:54 GMT

plank@eskimo.celestial.com (David Walker) writes:


> I have a problem steering my sailboat while sailing at 45 degrees to
>the wind. The boat always trys to point away from the wind. Most of the
>time I have to push the tiller about 3/4 of the way over just to
>maintain a straight course.
> I might mention the boat is 15'long 4' beam. I built it strictly to the
>plans. It is rigged with a 59sq.ft. sprite sail.
> Any sugestions on how to correct this problem are welcome.

Move the mast aft.  Or play with the head and back stays to move the masthead
aft.  Should make a big difference.  How much?, you'll have to experiment.

Oh yes, congrats on getting your boat built!

cheers,
gerard
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From: syswtr@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Cruise control for ski boatdir
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:04:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.140713.24088@sei.cmu.edu>, jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber) writes:
> 
> John W. Huber, Jr. - aka Jay   | Penguins - 1991,1992 Stanley Cup Champions
> Software Engineering Institute | Pirates - 1990,1991 NL East Champions
> SEI 3217        (412) 268-3550 | MasterCraft - The ONLY boat for skiing
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
						Snob...
 Willy
  (Well, so I have one too...)
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How to measure speed across the water
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 16123@Happy-Man.com, josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:
> In <1992Jul31.150512.16497@cbnews.cb.att.com> jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) writes:
> 
> Maybe go to old sailors' garage sails and look for an old-fashioned
> towing log, the type with a mechanical guage activated by a towed
> propeller -- does anyone know what one of these would sell for these
> days?
> -- 

I hope this is not a fish story, but I knew a guy many years ago who claimed
that a fish took his trailing propeller (like a fishing lure) and snapped the
attaching cable.  It has been at least 15 years since I have heard anything
about this "instrument".

I just thought of another basic speed indicating device.  It has been years
since I have seen one, and I have never used it, but they might still be 
available.  It is a hollow tube that is several feet long.  The tube has a
90 degree bend at the bottom.  The bottom section is about 6 inches long.
A (what looks like a) ping-pong ball rides in the long section of the tube.
The idea is to put the tube in the water with the short section pointing 
forward and the water pressure forces the ping-pong ball up the verical 
section in proportion to the boat speed.  

I can't imagine this would be very convenient to use on most sail boats, or
in most sailing situations.  However, it is one more "instrument" to consider.


Jeff Huntington
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber)
Subject: Re: Cruise control for ski boat
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:07:13 GMT


In article <l7gin3INNj0j@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul30.175948.6328@sei.cmu.edu> jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber) writes:
|> 
|> >NO BOAT should be able to
|> >cruise without a driver managing the controls (steering, throttle, etc.)
|> 
|> I hope you mean no SKI boat.  It is quite common for sail boats to cruise
|> with an auto-pilot or wind vane.  
|> 
|> Dudley
|> 


Actually, no, I think it is unsafe to have any boat underway without someone
at the helm.  I can easily imagine being on auto-pilot on a sail boat and
drifting off asleep (too slow moving :-) ), only to awaken on a reef, beach,
or worse.  The advantages of an auto-pilot are obvious, however I worry about
the use/misuse of this type of device.  (Of course, I don't even use the
cruise on my cars - I become less alert and more drowsey while on cruise).

-Jay



John W. Huber, Jr. - aka Jay   | Penguins - 1991,1992 Stanley Cup Champions
Software Engineering Institute | Pirates - 1990,1991 NL East Champions
SEI 3217        (412) 268-3550 | MasterCraft - The ONLY boat for skiing
From: Laughlin.Hughes@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Why only one main?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:38:00 -0800

AB/From: andy@hendrix.ece.uiuc.edu (Andy Bereson)
  /Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
AB/Well, it is almost certainly because a club footed sail is much easier
  /to control (shape and sail area, that is).  Traditionally, the multiple
  /headsails come from the need to match sail area to wind conditions.  It
  /is not possible to reef a loose footed sail! However, a club foted sail
  /like a main is easy to reef.

        Andy - I'm sure I've seen jibs with extra sets of tack and
clue, with reefing points!  The advantage is sail shape (over
roller reefing), and the disadvantage might be having to go up on
the foredeck to reef...

        Laughlin Hughes
        Toronto

 * OLX 2.2 * Sailors do it with more GUST!


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