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From: lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:08:59 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles

In article <1dtbdlINNd1d@gap.caltech.edu> danlip@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Adam Lipofsky) writes:
>In article <1Jg4TB3w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> skye@brewich.hou.tx.us (Skye Stryder) writes:
>> 
>>This sounds an awful lot like some of Velikovsky's (pardon my spelling, 
>>I read his stuff in 7th grade) theories.  By the way...any geophysicists 
>>out there know why the earth's magnetic poles tend to switch polarity 
>>every so often? 
>>
>>Skye
>>
>
>I believe the answer is no.
>I'm not a geophysicist (nor do I play one on TV) but I do know some, and
>tend to be well educated on such subjects.  The last I heard, it was
>still a mystery.

The Answer is a Theoretical Yes.  The theory being that the dynamo that
creates the magnetic filed and it's polarity is mantle convection currents.

When the cells grow smaller due to crystalization of material on the
bottom, they become unstable, break down, and when they reform have
a 50% chance of leaving north in either hemisphere.

Uncle Wolf
MS Marine Geology/Geophysics
California State University, Northridge
1981

The above degree allows me to make a fool of my self on a regular basis,
but with Athority!!!  <chortle>..
From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: I don't Understand
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:13:21 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

there are many stupid questions. and sooner or later
most of them get asked on this newsgroup.

josh
From: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay)
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193


wincerw@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Bill Wincer) writes:

->    Actually, I believe--but I'm not sure--that the Mayan calender
-> does not stop at 2012.  Instead I think that it starts into a new
-> age at (or around) this time.  I vaguely remember hearing that
-> every age is supposed to be marked by some extraordinary events.
-> I think that this approaching one is supposed to bring forth a new
-> race of human(oid)s and a mass re-awakening of magick.

According to Terrence McKenna (in Archaic Revival) the Mayan calendar
does indeed indicate the end of an age in 2012.  McKenna has done some
very suggestive work with fractal-based timelines plotting technological
innovation, the rise and fall of civilizations, etc. and makes a case
that they too seem to predict the "immanentization of the eschaton"
circa 2012.

BTW, I highly recommend Archaic Revival to all who are interested in the
psychedelic and cyber substrains of magick.  McKenna is a
shroom-besotted Fool, but also a genius IMO.  I once described him to a
friend as "the guy God substituted for Timothy Leary when Leary started
throwing wild pitches."  Good stuff!

M.
                                                                                                                          
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:31:19 GMT
Subject: Giving up and giving in
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: AFRICAN RELIGION santeria
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:20:22 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:

: >
: "Ever pass on their secrets?" hmmm. .Maybe you meant "never". .But NO, 
: surely not. I mean. .if transliterating ache instead of ashe is so Critical
: a mistake; then leaving off an "n" to get ever instead of never would be
: the height of ignorance and would show a complete invalidation of any of
: the offendee's sources, training, education, or experiences. ...according
: to you, that is. ..espeecially since there are no accent marks and we 
: don't know whether you're speaking in English, French, spanish, or Basque.
: 
: Pardon me for even mentioning it. I apologize. You couldn't have meant 
: never. 
: 
: 				-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
: 				bunny ge'rouge<<

Poor bunny, that his "ego" is soooo bruised. You've proved my point that you
haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about by your heated,
petty counter argument that further betrays an ignorance of the Yoruba
language, besides knowing how to spell.

Eshin-Fun

:
From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Manifesto of the Thelemic Golden Dawn
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:09:36 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

I fully support the Thelemic ideals and therefore the greater work of the
Thelemic Golden Dawn.  I do, however, have grave reservations about anyone
who offers a four year mail order course to complete self actualization.
I might even go so far as to suggest some un-charatable views on the
significance of mail-order degrees attesting to ones enlightenment and
mastery.

"The true Tao cannot be told, and the Tao that can be told is not the
true Tao".  For several thousand years teachers of esoteric disciplines
have held that personal transformation and world-view change can only
happen through direct personal experience.  Intellectual exposure to the
concepts is of very little value, and even contrived experiences are
hit-and-miss in the extent to which they will achieve the desired changes
in the initiate.

Granted the final degrees are not available by mail order ... but the 
claim is that the student can achieve complete self-understanding,
loss of self and universal love prior to the final degrees.  As a
potential customer, I must tell you that the making of such claims
reduces your credibility.  Your goals attract me, but your claims
ring too much of humbug.  If you want intelligent and dedicated
desciples, you must appeal to serious intelligence.
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From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Sorry but...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:58:06 GMT

Im sorry to intrude again but I would like to ask a question if I
may.
Josh, I have neglected to write you directly because I may find other
answers useful this time.
I am a christian and have been for 3 years now(dont hold it against
me please) and I would like to ask you a question in all honesty.
I still use mind expansion exercises frequently and other related
abilities. I am afraid that the christian church still defines these
as BAD. Morality is not my question. My church will not give me an unbiased
answer so Im asking you.
Do you believe my continuance in mind expansion is a remanent and continuance
of magical usage or simply colorful imagery that helps me deal with problems
in a different light.
For example:
If I am unsure of whether there is someone near me I "reach out" with my mind
to "see if I feel" someone there. I use the logic that if I use that imagery
it will heighten my 5 senses to allow me to see what I would have seen
eventually anyway.Not magical, Simply Imagery.
I am not asking for religious advice as you have made it clear this is
not the newsgroup for it.Simply an opinion. Thankyou.

-- 
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix (age 6)
"Nitzche is dead"God
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Manifesto of the Thelemic Golden Dawn
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:16:27 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


>In nomen C.R.C., our Father Beast, our Mother Mary, and the Countless,
>unless my judgement is impaired by incorrect assumptions due to 
>my own falliablility, I denounce this group, named the Thelemic
>Golden Dawn, and it's progenitors, wherever they may be.
 
     What's the point of denouncing it?  If this group is 
ultimately destructive, it will eventually destroy itself, and if 
it's ultimately creative it should be left alone..  Best to pay 
attention to your own endeavours to bring light to the world.
 
Just my $0.02 piece..
 
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From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Sorry but...
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:27:08 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

Your posting is a dangerous one for reasons that have nothing to do with you.
Organized religion in general, and Catholicism in particular, have left scars
on many people.  If those scars have not healed, then the people are sensitive
to questions of religeous dogma - and lash out in pain when those scars are
touched.  Expect to hear some screams.  I am not, nor have I ever been a
Christian.  Neither have I been badly wronged by Christians.  I think I
can offer you an answer that doesn't come from pain.

Are your "exercises" consistant or inconsistant with your faith?  This is a
question that every one of us should ask dozens of times a day.  You shouldn't
appologize for asking it once.  In your case, I think you have to decide whether
you need to be obedient to "The Faith" or if it would be sufficient to be
obedient to "your faith".

If conformance to church doctrine (relinquishing your will to best serve
the interpreted will of your creator) is important to you, you are saying
that you want a relationship with God through your church.  If you then do
things that are at odds with church teaching you will find your relationship
strained.  It will be less a source of strength and peace than it might 
otherwise be, and may gnaw at your soul.  Allowing this to happen is a bad
thing.

If, on the other hand, you desire a personal relationship with your creator 
and savior - and the church is merely a place you gather with like-minded
people to affirm your faith ... your "exercises" may cause you very little
spiritual trouble.  The question here is not whether or not your exercises
are in accord with the "opinion of your church".  The question is whether
they help or hinder your acceptance of Christ as the son of God and your
personal savior, and your quest to better understand and fulfill the word
of God on Earth.  If they help you, they are consistant with your faith.
If they chip away at your unconditional acceptance of Christ, then they
are inconsistant with your faith.

If you think that all you desire is a personal relationship with Christ, but
you find that this makes your Church participation very stressful ... then
I would suggest that either you (a) don't really know what you want or (b)
are in the wrong church.
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Of giving up and getting on..(was Women vs Men)
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:58:00 +0000

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes..

>Humans are mammals and breeding is a natural mammal-thing to do.
>Females especially often feel a need to do this.

Yeah: We did kinda notice this...:-)

>The philosophies you cite, and your attitude, all sound reminiscent
>of the religious-poo-poo that condemns sex.

Hmm. Peggy - did you ever stop to figure out WHY maybe all these
religions condemn sex?

Possible reasons:
        1/. Birth control by societal pressure

        2/. The amount of TIME spent on raising children. Basically
        THAT becomes the Great Work for 99% of parents. Josh is right
        (and offensive as usual :-) sigh). If you want to explore the
        various avenues of spirituality, you may find kids arte like
        an anchor. Great for keeping you in the same place - but that
        may not be what you want.

I think that is what lies behind the Xtian attitudes to sex/children
etc. Either you are being a Good Parent, or you have a larger
'Family' as a priest you take care of your flock etc.

>It would be nice if someone wrote some positive magick-oriented
>things about breeding. I've not yet found any.

Try Dion Fortune.

>I'll never understand why the experts seem to feel you must give up the
>ordinary to reach something higher.

When I was 20 I was became worried that I would not have enough time
in my life to do everything I wanted.

When I was 30 I became worried that there would not be enough time in
my life to do even ONE thing I wanted.

When I was 40 I realised

        (a) I was corrrect in my assesment of the predicament
        (b) Worrying made it worse.

I think the experts are right: you have to give up am unimaginable
amount of things - in fact you have to give up EVERYTHING in order
to attain ANYTHING. Not being satisfied with what you've got is what
makes people want to be magickians or priests or whatever. Tricking
oneself into letting go of desires etc. is just part of the process
:-)



>- Peggy -

Leo.

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From: wirta@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (john wirta)
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-6889]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:42:53 GMT

In article <Bx5s2y.Bun@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wincerw@assist.cc.purdue.edu (Bill Wincer) writes:
>
>     Just wondering, but does anyone out there feel uneasy?  I mean within the
>last two months or so, I've been getting very strong feelings that things just
>aren't going too well.  It feels like something big's going to happen and
>relatively soon.  It sort of feels like things are falling apart.  I guess I
>mean that I wouldn't be surprised to find out that little things barely 
>noticable are sort of going against the majority's concept of reality and that
>this is just going to get bigger and bigger.  Is there anyone else that has
>been feeling this way.  I've already met a couple that have also been getting  
>these "feelings" lately, but I'd like to know if this is going on elsewhere. 
>I know this probably sounds really stupid to most of you, but if you have
>been getting this uneasiness lately, I'm sure you consider this a rather serious
>post. 
>                                                                     --Bill   

I have been getting more than just the feelings of uneasiness, but I have been
seeing the cause for it since I was about five years old (long before I had a
clue what it was).  It is, in its most basic form, a time when reality is
breaking down and the universe reorders itself.  This has probably happened
before.  Think of it as probably a few years of intense strangeness happening,
then everything settling back down into some normality (however, the normality
that is settled into may not be the one we are used to.).

I won't give too many details, I can give more information, but not all.  There
is reason behind this.  Knowing the future can influence your choices in the
matters to come, and as the future lays now -- it should continue its path.
It may sound like I am making people's choices for them, but I am just trying
to make sure that everyone acts as they normally would.  If you would like to
ask questions, or even flame me (wow! I can't believe I'm asking for flames)
on this subject, e-mail me at wirta@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu.  I don't plan to
respond to specific questions on this newsgroup.

			-Enki

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Subject: NEW AGE RENAISSANCE FAIR - SAN JOSE
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From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: My probs with FAQ
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:16:17 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer) writes:

>[quoting me]:

>>hmmm...much of crowley's stuff is pretty traditional G.'.D.'. teachings

>     No it's not.  The GD material was only one source from which 
>he threw together his quilt of philosophies.  He didn't even 
>advance far enough in the organization to get access to most of 
>the material.

(a) this is completely untrue, before mathers (and crowley acting under
mathersinstruction) destroyed the G.'.D.'., he had received the highest
initiations that were being given at that time(5 = 6). (b) however would
you know, we just went through a whole thing wherein you had admitted that
you hadn't read any crowley?

 >     The opposite in that AMORC teaches betterment of self and 
>betterment of mankind, while Crowley taught the exploitation of 
>occult knowledge to further the desires of those who have no 
>interest in self-enlightenment or the welfare of humankind 
>(himself for example).

how would you know, you have admitted tht you are unfamiliar with the man's
life and work?
> 
>     I have posted my sources, and I believe them to be sound.  I 
>have no problem admitting the truth.

that's all very nice. why don't you about post something regarding which
you have personal knowledge?
> 
>>lessee. suppose we are discussing physics, and you are asked if you have
>>read any isaac newton (who, by the way, had at least as many unendearing
>>personal characteristics as uncle al). and you reply: 'I have read some
>>hostile and journalistic books about him, and I have heard what people (who
>>advocate truth and are in a position to know) have to say about the guy.
>>From this information, I have decided that [sic] not to study this man's
>>philosophy'.
>>would I or would I not be justified in thinking you six kinds of idiot?
 
>     If I decided not to study physics, you'd be justified, but I 
>have no idea what Newton's philosophies were like.  I suspect you 
>don't either.  I did learn newtonian physics (kinematics et al) as 
>a freshman, of course.  Kinematics has very little to do with 
>philosophy.
> 
'philosophy' is here being used in the old sense, inclusive of
'natural philosophy', that is, science. what I was saying (and I
guess I was being too subtle for you) was that the rejection of
someone's work on any basis other than personal knowledge of that 
person's work is very, very stupid. newton was just an example.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:25:54 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

In article <1Jg4TB3w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> skye@brewich.hou.tx.us (Skye Stryder) writes:
> By the way...any geophysicists 
>out there know why the earth's magnetic poles tend to switch polarity 
>every so often? 

Two or three years ago Scientific American published an article where the
researchers had attempted to analyze the periodicity of the paleomagnetic
records and correlate it with the periods of other events in the Solar
system and our region of the galaxy.

They found that by including the processional period of the Sun, a few
planetary orbits and one or two other periods that they could get a
reasonable but non-awesome correlation.  The hypothesis was presumably
that an interaction of gravitational and solar electric forces, combined
with secondary flows in the Earth's core to drive the periodic magnetic
polar reversals.  It looked to me like the theory was 3/4 baked and
promising ... but had rather a way to go.

I should note that I too am not a geophysist, nor do I play one on TV,
nor do I watch any on TV ... but I did once read a geophysics book.
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