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From: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Subject: re: NT requirements
Originator: tmcreek@c00057-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:54:44 GMT


In article <zpt18x_@rpi.edu>, kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
>
>In article <1e4jcsINN9d9@sam.ksu.ksu.edu> sdoran@sam.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven Marcotte) writes:
>>  I know this is probably a FAQ, but what the hey.  What are the 
>>minimum requirements for NT?  Right now, I have the following
>>
>>	486/50
>>	4 meg Ram
>>	120 meg HD
>>	SVGA
>
>I think the "release" version will require 8MB RAM.  For the "beta"
>version, it requires about 12MB RAM.
>

Just like OS/2 "runs" in 4 megs.  I'd go with the 12Mb figure.
From: jessea@vpmeu015.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Windows NT mailing list?
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:10:53 GMT
Organization: Varco-Pruden Buildings

Is there a Windows NT mailing list in the works?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: hp0@cooder.cis.ufl.edu (Hyun Park)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Excel 4.0 question
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:52:25 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.


Hi!
I am having trouble with database use of excel.
I have tried to extract data items which satisfy the given criteria.!
Everything other than the date data seem to work o.k.
I tried several ways I could think of:

      =date(1985,12,23) -> succeed 
      > date(1985,12,23) -> couldn't find
      > datevalue("12/23/85") -> couln't find
      > 12/23/85 -> couldn't find.
I think I can use the greater than (>) or less than (<) operator
with date data but it didn't work. Then how can I find some data items
which have date fields which satisfy the given criteria.
Please help me.

-Hyun
From: gronke@acpub.duke.edu (Paul Gronke)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: WinPost 3.2a and Registered Users: Shareware Question
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:00:06 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

A few colleagues here are registered users of WinPost (version 3.1a).
I noticed the new version on Cica.  I downloaded and installed it over
the old version.  The old registration number appears to work.  Is
this ok?  Is a registered user allowed to download upgrades like this?
 
Thanks, Paul Gronke, Gronke@acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Re: Questions about WinQVT/Net 3.0
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:36:21 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <KEVIN.92Nov17114827@calamityjane.edscom.demon.co.uk> kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey) writes:

>* When I'm running an editor (GNU emacs) in a telnet or rlogin session
>and I hold down the cursor key, the cursor doesn't run along smoothly
>like it did in 2.85, it jumps about 5 characters at a time.  Any ideas
>why?

Well, I used to have no problems with the cursor keys for 2.7

When 2.85 came out, holding down a cursor key would result in the
thing getting confused and random parts of the cursor key sequence
would be inserted into whatever I was working on.

As this doesn't happen in v3, I assume that they've 'fixed' it to work
as in v2.7
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From: ci229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Looking for Windows EMail program
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:15:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Greetings,

I'm looking for a windows based email package that will work with FTP's
PC/TCP software (SMTP would be a bonus!).

Anyone have any suggestions??

                                     -Andrew
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: tchambers@trentu.ca (Terrence Chambers)
Subject: NDW and Icon Editor
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:38:00 GMT

I have a problem with NDW's Icon Editor (in V 2.0 only).  I have my own 
icon library created for my own applications that do not have icons.  
Whenever I insert a new icon at the front of the library, all the other 
icons, that are in the windows, shift one.  What I mean is that the 
application which originaly had icon #4 will still have icon #4 but icon #4 
is now what icon #3 used to be because all icons have shifted down one.  
Meaning old icon #1 is now icon #2 etc...  This happens with all the icons 
from the library.  The best thing I have been able to do is to insert all 
new icons in the second-last position so that only the last icon is 
affected by adding new ones.  Has anyone had a similar problem or found a 
way around this?
Thanks! 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: nuspljj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joseph J. Nuspl Jr.)
Subject: mem utility for Windows
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:24:15 GMT

I am looking for a program that with give me the output similar to
the output from 'mem /debug'.  I want to know what physical memory
is allocated to what process.


Thanks.



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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: jallard@microsoft.com (James 'J' Allard)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP and Windows for Workgroups
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:59:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <BxzBt0.AK8@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> cantwell@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Jeff Cantwell) writes:
>Great question!! I've been trying to figure this out for a few weeks
>now. Admittedly, I am not a network guru. In my conversations with
>Microsoft and others I have determined the following:
>
[stuff deleted]>
>IS THERE A PUBLIC DOMAIN TELNET/FTP PACKAGE WHICH IS NDIS COMPLIANT???

Well, NDIS is only the half of what you're after. You're correct that 
you want to run an NDIS-based stack in order to properly share your 
NIC, etc.. however, if you want TCP/IP to be the native transport for
Windows for Workgroups (e.g., file, print sharing, netDDE, etc..over IP),
then you'll need an RFC1001/1002-compliant NetBIOS over TCP/IP driver
for your TCP/IP stack. Most PC-based TCP/IP vendors supply these with
their software, or have them available as an add-in.

Microsoft will be offering a package designed for Windows for Workgroups
Q193 which will include TCP/IP which installs very easily with Windows
for Workgroups, NetBIOS over TCP/IP, and Windows Sockets compliance.
I'll post more information on this product to the group once it becomes
available.

HTH,

J. Allard
(jallard@microsoft.com) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: hm@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Herold Myrland)
Subject: Re: Unix mail on a dos machine - windows front end
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:30:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.200421.11904@mprgate.mpr.ca>, mcvey@mprgate.mpr.ca (Iain McVey) writes:
|> The title kind of says it all...
|> 
|> I am looking for a windows prrogram that can decipher unix mail that is
|> delivered to a dos drive (using pc-nfs).
|> 
|> Is there such a product, or is there a better way to do this?
|> 
|> - Iain -
|> 
|> -- 
|> Iain McVey (mcvey@mpr.ca)      | "Join the army, they said, see the next
|> Software Designer              |  world..." - Carry on up the Kyber
|> MPR Teltech Ltd.               | "This bottle of whisky is awful.  I'll be
|> 8999 Nelson Way, Burnaby, BC   |  glad when it's done" - One Scot to another

I have discovered a Windows front end named Cinetic Mail Manager (CMM).  It works
with PC/TCP by FTP Software Inc., PC-NFS by Sun Microsystems Inc., Pathway by 
Wollongong Inc., FSUUCP by Fubar Systems and UUPC/extended by Drew Derbyshire.

It demands that you have NFS access to your UNIX mailbox from you PC, and I think
it works pretty good.

I'm not shure where I found it, but I think it was on ftp.cica.indiana.edu.

-- 
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E-mail : hm@fna.no
Phone  : +47 82 22100
Fax    : +47 82 44866

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From: harp@martha.utcc.utk.edu (harp)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: How can I get NT Beta ?
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:54:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

In article <1992Nov18.011442@IASTATE.EDU> amah@IASTATE.EDU () writes:
>
>Hi!
>
>
>Can someone post the phone number that I can call to get NT Beta/SDK ?
>
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>Max.

The number is 1-800-227-4679 and you should push the buttons that will get
you to the developers extension.

Sean Harp
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: Procomm:  how to send a tilde
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 03:18:49 GMT

In article <mag.721664083@yorku.ca>, mag@nexus.yorku.ca (Michael Gilbert) writes:
> 
> Is there any way, e.g., using quotes or etc., to include a ~ in a
> Procomm script or meta key?  I would like to be able to turn off my
> signature with a metakey and this requires the command, ~S!.  But
> since the '~' is the pause command, it is always read that way.
> 

I have ^F10 mapped as ~ (tilde) in procom plus 2.0, in my VT320 keyboard
map.  On the other hand, I don't seem to have a problem sending the tilde
from the kayboard. Seems to work OK. In PCP V2.0 screen pause is Alt-N. Are
you using an older version of Procomm ?

   John Rice        K9IJ     |  "Did I say that ?" I must have, but It was
                             |   MY opinion only, no one else's...Especially
                             |   Not my Employer's....
   rice@ttd.teradyne.com     |   Purveyor of Miracles,Magic and Sleight-of-hand

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
From: quentin@swin.oz.au (Quentin Kelly, EN206, 8255)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: .bmp to .ico utility
Keywords: bitmap icon
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:33:04 GMT
Reply-To: quentin@swin.oz.au
Organization: Swinburne University of Technology

If so reply here or e-mail to quentin@shemp.cc.swin.edu.au
Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: gus@deathstar.dell.com (Gus Campman)
Subject: windows ACAD viewer
Summary: looking for a windows 3.1 ACAD .dwg viewer
Keywords: ACAD
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:42:21 GMT


i am lookin for a good shareware or pub. domain viewer for Windows
ver. 3.1 that will allow the user to view AutoCAD .DWG files.  i
dont neceesarily need to EDIT then--just viewing them within Windows
would be fine.  if the prog. allowed cutting from the viewer to
the clipboard as a BMP, it woul be perfect but i will settle for
just viewing them.  (and DON"T suggest AutoCAD for Windows--this 
has to be cheap.)
thanks!!

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: trappetj@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (John Trappett @ Telecom Australia)
Subject: WinQVT/Net Script language?
Organization: Telecom Australia, TNE Computer Support Services
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:52:04 GMT

In order for me to continue an effective evaluation of WinQVT/Net, could
some kind soul please inform me on the details of the scripting langauge?  At
least enough to get connected to systems would be a help, but an indication
of the sorts of things that can be done would be appreciated.

TIA

-- 
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Telecom Australia              ....   _/\_>        no one else would own them,
trappetj@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au   .....O,> / O...    would they?'
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: gelderd@acf3.nyu.edu (Dirk Van Gelder)
Subject: Re: Is Windows NT worth the trouble?
Keywords: NT
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:53:57 GMT

harp@martha.utcc.utk.edu (harp) writes:


>Recently I have been reading articles on Windows NT and most say that this
>will be the best thing since sliced bread.  I have also been considering
>Microsoft's offer for the NT beta at $69 because when the final release
>ships they will send you that for free (I guess NT will retail somewhere
>around $200 from what I have heard).

>They say that the beta requires 12MB of ram and likes 16MB.  Right now I
>only have 8.  I have been thinking for the past several months of making
>the jump to 16 anyway.  Is NT a good enough reason to go ahead and do it?

>Any information would be greatly appreciated.

>                                  DISCLAIMER:
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Yes, NT is worth the trouble and the money. The beta version has
just been delivered which runs in 8 M of memory, which should be good 
news for you. The big thing is to get NT now and start learning the 
VMSlike memory management and system services that are part of the OS. 
The system comes only on a CDROM, so that is a consideration. There are 
also 14 manuals on the CDR, along with alllll of microsoft's software 
like C/C++ V7 which by itself costs $139.00<0.). This is the future. 
Enjoy it now.

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (Jud Ahern)
Subject: Very Strange QVTNET problem...
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:51:30 GMT
Reply-To: jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu
Organization: School of Geology and Geophysics, University of Oklahoma

HELP, please!

I just upgraded from qvtnet 2.85 to 3.03, and have run across
a truly strange new problem. When I start a telnet session to 
our VAX 785, my logon script executes perfectly, and
I am logged on just fine (same script I successfully used with QVTNET 2.85).
This machine runs Wollongong (sp?) tcp/ip software. Now the strange part: 
When I start a telnet session to our microvax or VAX 6520 (which use 
DEC UCX tcp/ip software), USING THE EXACT SAME LOGON SCRIPT, I get 
"USER AUTHORIZATION FAILURE." I can see that my username
is being entered properly, but apparently something goes awry with
my password. We looked at my packets with a Lanalyzer, and we see
exactly what we should see: my password, followed by CTL-M (carriage
return). I did not have this problem with 2.85.

Any ideas? I have tried putting WAIT statements all through the
script to slow it down, but nothing works. By the way, the three
machines (785, 6520 and microvax) all use the same username and
password.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: snm@cc.gatech.edu (Sathis Menon)
Subject: Ventura Publisher Question
Reply-To: snm@cc.gatech.edu (Sathis Menon)
Organization: The Clouds Project, Georgia Tech
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:32:46 GMT

Hi,

Ventura 3.0 is crapping out on index generation on Windows 3.1, on my
machine. It complains about a protection violation at a low address.
Has anyone had any problems with this?

I stripped my config.sys to barebones and tried various combinations
(himem.sys, emm386.exe, etc.).

On windows 3.0, index generation just terminates the application, after a
while.

I read in a book that a software called Index! from Trinity software
is better for index generation. Any experiences with this?

ALso, is there a newsgroup for ventura?

Thanks for any info.

Sathis Menon
--------
College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: snm@cc.gatech.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: jrroma@beaker (John Roman)
Subject: Hypertext application?
Organization: Monsanto Company
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:19:06 GMT

We are looking for an application which is the electronic version
of the party conversation "do you know...they used to live/work/etc
with ..."

Analytically, something that can make primary and secondary linkages
from textual information.  Windows is the preferred environment.

If anyone knows of such a product/package, or has information which
could help our search, please let me know.  I will be glad to 
summarize for the net.

--
John Roman                                          Monsanto Company
jrroma@beaker.monsanto.com                          Chesterfield, MO  63198
(314) 537-7044
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: phc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Patrick Curry)
Subject: Windows driver for JDAC?
Reply-To: phc1@Ra.MsState.Edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:49:28 GMT


Hi,

     I was wondering if there is a device driver for Windows 3.1 that will allow all
sound files to be played on an external JDAC (Jugheads Audio to Digital Converter). 
The converter I am using is plugged into the parallel port.  It has to be plugged into
an amplifier or stero to work, but it works almost as well as the SoundBlasters I have
heard.

    Can anybody help?


Please send E-mail or post here if you think others might be interested.


Thanks,

   Pat Curry


(P.S.  I am currently using the SPEAKER.DRV
            which is not quite good enough.)


Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: singh@qucis.queensu.ca (Pawan Singh)
Subject: TOOLHELP.DLL
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:00:39 GMT

                               
 There is this tutorial on TOOLHELP.DLL exception handling written by
	Kraig Brockschmidt of Microsoft Developer Relations.

	It can be downloaded from the WINSDK forum on CompuServe in the file
	FAULTW.ZIP.

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I am not connected to Compuserve. So can somebody tell me whether I can
get it from some of the ftp-sites on the Internet.

Thanks,

Pawan Singh

_________________________________________________________________________

Pawan K. Singh			email: singh@qucis.queensu.ca
485A Alfred St.
Kingston, Ontario		PAWAN K. SINGH
K7K 4J4, Canada.

Phone: 613-545-7802
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485A Alfred St.
From: slqn0@cc.usu.edu (Hoyt J. Heaton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: WPWin version?
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:43:50 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Could someone tell me what the latest version of Word Perfect for Windows is?

Mine has the following date: 4/30/92

I bought through my school's educational program, and I'm not sure if it is 
the most current update.

Thanks in advance...
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From: Dave.Beaujean@davespc.mi.org (Dave Beaujean)
Sender: FredGate@davespc.mi.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Looking for Windows UUCP mail transfer
Distribution: world
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:19:00 EST

Hi All!

I am currently running uucico.exe which is a dos implementation
of UUCP transfer. I would like to find a windows implementation
of this. So everything is done in windows. Does anyone know
of such an animal?
Thanks for any help you might be able to toss my way!!!

Dave
From: carter@cemvax.cem.msu.edu (Tom Carter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: re: Truetype/FastFonts and CorelDRAW! 3.0
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:22:27 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, Chemistry Dept., E. Lansing, MI

In article <92322.140959HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu> Sleight of Hans <HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I recently got completely fed up with FastFonts by ATech Software and before
>erasing it from my hard drive and putting the disks and manuals into perpetual
>storage I had it convert all of its fonts to TrueType format.
>
>These new TrueType fonts work great with my windows apps (W4W, Excel 4) but
>they are not usable in CorelDRAW! 3.0.  Anyone have a similar experience?
>I bought FastFonts because of its advertised capabilities.  But now that
>TrueType is a windows standard, why use anything else?  Blah...
>
>| O |                                                                   | O |
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>| O | HCM100 @ PSUVM.psu.edu   wife, you'll become happy; if you get    | O |
>|   | HCM100 @ CBA1.psu.edu    a bad one, you'll become a philosopher." |   |
>| O | Penn State MIS Dept.                           - Socrates         | O |
>|   |                                                                   |   |

I use TrueType fonts with CorelDraw 3.0 Rev.B with no problems whatsoever.
Both the one's that ship with CD 3.0, and ones from the MS TrueType Font Pack.
What kind of problems are you having?
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|  Michigan State University           |     carter@msucem.bitnet         |
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From: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz (Stefan Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Excel 4.0 "gang screen"
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 07:02:55 +1200

In <1992Nov16.230410.5667@sequent.com> iceman@sequent.com (Ian Evans) writes:
>In article <law1y#h@rpi.edu> kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.193436.16903@polaris.utu.fi> jsakki@polaris.utu.fi (Jarkko Sakki) writes:
>>>Is there any "gang screen" in MS-Excel 4.0??? If there is - how can it
>>>be shown???
>>
>>If you love Lotus 1-2-3, don't try this at home.
>>
>>Open a blank worksheet and maximize it.  Then choose Option,
>>Toolbars..., Customize...  Then choose Customs and drag Solitaire icon
>>to your toolbar.  Then choose OK and close.  Now for some fun.  Hold
>>down Ctrl-Alt and click Solitaire icon.

>Interesting this works with solitare and not any of the other
>custom icons like winword, powerpoint, ms mail, project, etc....

It shows what the Excel developers were interested in!! :-)

...Stefan

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