HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:00:57 EDT
From: Christopher H. Prokop <CP8219A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: wedding present
 <emp1.719021059@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>

Yes actually,
Tommy, George Best, Bizzaro, Sea Monsters, and HPI
are all available on disk in the states, however I think they might
be import only (at least Tommy and GB).  The cover of Ukranian
Folk Songs I actually found on disc for $27 and bought it anyway.
Its really not that good.  The only thing worth listening to is
"Those were the days my friend,.." and it doesn'treal lyrics,
just chorus.
From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: XTC
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:20:10 GMT
Organization: National Library of Medicine

In article <1992Oct10.184302.1819@pellns.alleg.edu> stuarts@carr55.alleg.edu (Scott Stuart) writes:
>
>		Hey, is anybody out there in NewsGrazerland an XTC fan?
>
>	I never see anything about them on this thing and thought I would  
>give it a shot.  If anyone likes them or any of these other bands:
>		
>		They Might Be Giants
>		Hoodoo Gurus
>		Kitchens of Distinction
>		DEVO
>
>then write me or post it and let me know.  Thanks for sharing!
>				Scott Stuart
>
>"Heaven is Paved with Broken Glass"  -  Andy Partridge
>	

join the xtc mailing list. Email to:

chalkhills-request@presto.ig.com

the chalkhills archives are available at turbo.bio.net (ftp)
Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:12937 alt.thrash:1624
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Zornification
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.



       Is there any CD release of _The_Torture_Garden_ or _Heretic_?
  (I've never knew Heretic even existed).    John Zorn's sperm seems to
 clog the phonographic needle when playing my copy of the _TG_ LP.

                                                            K!z!K

     "1 2 ...a 1 2 3 4 AAAAAA OOOHHHH AAAAAA OOOOHHH  AAA OOAOAOAOAOOAOA
   AOOOOOOOOOAAAAOAOAOOAOARFFFGAGAGAAPPPAAA!!"  Boredoms "Sun Gun Run"
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se (Magnus Ring)
Subject: Re: Barbra Streisand?
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:13:27 GMT

In article <y83z91c@rpi.edu> kimp@rs6407.ecs.rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
> Well, I am sure most people using this conference don't listen to Babs,  
but for those people who do, I need recommendations on good Babs CDs.   
Thanks

Thats right!!! Nowadays with Nirvana, REM and such stuff on the hit
lists, Barbra sure is alternative.

/Magnus Ring
From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: In 'n' Out Lyrics
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:21:28 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

This is what I believe the lyrics are, from my own observations
and previous postings.

---

IN 'N' OUT OF GRACE

Jesus take me to a higher place
Slidin' in 'n' out of grace

Christs body and blood I crave
Slidin' in 'n' out of grace

Cry for mercy relieve my ???
Slidin'...

Spill my ???, suck my (waist?)
Slidin'...

Oh God how I love to hate
Slidin'...

Save me Lord, fuck my race
Slidin...

---

Any ideas for the missing words?

			Rob.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
|                       | Rob Ingram                                          |
|  "Hang loose kid!"    | University of Nottingham                            |
|                       | Department of Computer Science                      |
|                       | Nottingham, UK.                                     |
|_______________________|_____________________________________________________|
|                       |      "Women: Can't live with 'em, can't get them    |
|  rji@cs.nott.ac.uk    |       to dress in skimpy leather Nazi outfits"      |
|_______________________|_____________________________________________________|
From: kolsson1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Kris Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: New Charlatans?
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:31:41 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <kepnDxG00WBKQ2dY19@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christopher John Cenkner
<cc6f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> I heard a rumor on Pittsburgh radio that the CharlatansUK have a new
> album out.  Is this true? Thanx, 
> 
They released a new album a while ago entitled "Between 10th and 11th" (it
came out around the same time as Wish, I
think).
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: pverkai@cs.vu.nl (Verkaik PD)
Subject: Re: R.E.M.
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:36:59 GMT

kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch) writes:
: 
: All those albums are good, but you haven't experienced the reality of Rem
: until you've listened to their first threee albums.  This is where they
: defined their own unique style of music.  (Murmur, Reckoning, Fables).

If you add to that list 'Chronic Town' then I agree completely...

Patrick
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: vawda@fraser.sfu.ca (Ramon Vawda)
Subject: Re: Help Me Name this Tune...
Keywords: WRXT, House of Love
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:24:41 GMT

dupham@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Upham) writes:

>Having never posted before to a.m.a.,O
>Anyway, I have had a tune running through my head for a good month now; while
>normally this could be a good reason to seek professional help, I happen to know
>that there is a real song attached to this tune.  I know that about this time
>last year, WXRT played a song regularly that told a story about a man hiking
>through the hills -- the only lyric fragments that I can remember are...

>	"This pack on my back is breaking..... walking through the hills 
>	 for 15 days...."

>That's it.  I really like the tune, but by the time that I actually bothered
>to buy the thing, I couldn't remember who did it anymore.  The singing style
>vaguely reminds me of House of Love, and those are the only clues that I have to
>go on.  Many thanks to whoever can help me get this song out on my head and
>down onto CD.... 

>Dave Upham
>N.U., Evanston, IL

>dupham@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

>________________________________________
>"Visualize Whirled Peas"
>				-- Bumper sticker seen in Evanston.

Dave, the song you are referring to is a Stone Roses song
called Fool's Gold.....
It is available on their 1989 album "The Stone Roses", which
includes the full-length 9:53 version of Fool's Gold.....
This album should not be too hard to find...
Go buy it !
Go now !

okay bye...

Ramon Vawda
vawda@fraser.sfu.ca


>________________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle)
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about the Falling Joys?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:47:31 GMT

In article <ldpgevINNkek@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dinkins) writes:
|> 
|>  just found Psychohum at a used cd store...
|> 
|>  Most of the songs are really strong, 2 or 3 or pretty dull.
|> 
|>  Never heard of them before I bought this cd, sooo... does anyone
|> know who they are - whats their history? Is Pat (guitar/vocals) male or 
|> female? Is Suzie Higgie (vocals/guitar/keys/writer of all the songs) a known
|> comodity (i.e. has she done anything else)
|> 
|> jeff

The Fallings Joys started off in Canberra about 6 or so years ago.
They moved to Sydney about 4 years ago.
They've released quite a few singles and an EP (I think).  Their
first full length album was Wish List which you can buy in the US.
It features their best song to date: You're in a Mess.  This is Suzie Higgie's
only band.  Pat is male.

Guy
Long live the Canberra music scene.
From: 890707p@ace.acadiau.ca (GLENN G. PARSONS)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Sinead on SNL
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:42:46 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

I can't believe people are blasting SNL for being the willing victim of 
Sinead O'Connor's papal attack.  Judging by the responses, some people have 
some pretty deep seeded religous feelings, whether they'll admit them or 
not.  SNL is one of the only places on that barren realm of idiocy (tv)where 
anything unpredictable ever happens.  For those of us who rarely get to see 
our favorite acts live, it is a chance to get a taste of what they're really 
about as perfomers.
So screw off with the censorship - whether you agree or not, it is her 
right as a performer to say it.  If you don't like it don't agree, but it is 
stupidity and stubborness and ignorance that attacks ideas without thought (
real thought) and takes art as a personal offence rather than a statement.
There are lots of artists I do not particularly like. SOC is one of them.  
But I have to admire someone who, in these days of the unfashionability of 
thought or debate or uncertainty, has the guts to take a stab at something 
as ardent an enemy of thought and art as the Catholic Church.
                                             F**k Censorship
                                              MickJ
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Subject: Re: The Might Be Giants
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:27:41 GMT

Somehow I just hadn't thought of TMBG as the kind of band one would
stage-dive to.  I guess I'm just so far away from 21 as to have missed
this.

:)

Lena
From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about the Falling Joys?
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:53:31 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dinkins) writes:


> just found Psychohum at a used cd store...

> Most of the songs are really strong, 2 or 3 or pretty dull.

> Never heard of them before I bought this cd, sooo... does anyone
>know who they are - whats their history? Is Pat (guitar/vocals) male or 
>female? Is Suzie Higgie (vocals/guitar/keys/writer of all the songs) a known
>comodity (i.e. has she done anything else)

	Falling Joys are an Australian band who've been going since about 1986.
Most of their earlier stuff was closer to melodic pop (but still guitary - 
definitely not mainstream) and they're very good, I think.  _Psychohum_ is
a lot harder in places than their earlier work, because Jessica Corcoran
(Ned's Atomic Dustbin's producer) did the production.  I like some of their
old stuff better than the new album (P) but strangely, their finest moments
are generally on single-only tracks!  If you can get the _Omega_ EP then
this is definitely worth checking out, otherwise you could send me a tape
(90 min I could fill) and I'll tape things of theirs on it for you.

	Pat (bass, vocals) is male (it's his voice on "Incinerator" with
Suzie), while Suzie has only done one other project, an EP called "Splinter"
with Andrea Croft of Aus band Catherine Wheel, which was pretty low-key even
here.  It's good, though.  Which songs didn't you like on _Psychohum_?
I was disappointed by "Dynamite" and "God in a Dustbin" as well as the title
track, because the songwriting wasn't really up to scratch.

	I've seen them live and they are FANTASTIC.

		Matthew.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu
Subject: Re: NIN
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 08:25:54 EDT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <4erR6j600YV7M5b9tn@andrew.cmu.edu>
Colin John Brodsky <cb4n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 
>
>So what's on the album in January?  Is it going to have a lot of the
>stuff off Broken too?  Or is it completely new stuff?  I hope so because
>I was expecting more than 33 minutes of music.  Besides, some bootleg
>recording of Suck has been around for awhile anyways, so that's not all
>that new.  Speaking of which, does anybody know the name of the other
>song on that CD?  (It's got a white cover that has a picture with NIN
>canada on the front and a big NIN stamp on the back)  I've heard that it
>was from a concert with Pigface, but that could be wrong.  There are two
>tracks - suck and something else.  I must say, however, I like the
>version of suck on broken much better.
>
 
The other song on the Suck bootleg disc is a cover of a Black Sabbath
song called Supernaught (spelling?) and is performed by 1000 Homo DJs
with Trent on vocals. The song is also available on the 1000 Homo DJs
CD ep release with someone else doing the vocals. I've never heard the
original BS version.
 
Kyle C. Schiebel
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Subject: Re: Camper van Beethoven spinoffs
Keywords: Camper Van Beethoven, Cracker, Monks of Doom
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:48:10 GMT

Re Morgan Fichter:

Whether she was a "full-fledged" member of the band or not, I really
enjoyed the energy that she brought to the live show that I saw them
at in San Francisco on the KLP tour.  She had really good stage chemistry
with the other band members, especially Lowery (I might guess she was
his girlfriend, but then again who am I to make such assumptions).  

Anyway, I really liked her, and I almost could have kicked a male
friend of mine for being shy and not taking the chance to chat with
her when he stood behind her on line at an airport one time.

So you say she is involved with another band and they have a CD coming
out.  Can you tell me about it?????????

Lena

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: jimh2@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Jim Hiebert #2)
Subject: Re: REM - sidewinder
To: alt.music.alternative
Posted-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15: 56:09 cdt
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:56:09 GMT
Received-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15: 56:18 CDT

> Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative

> In article <92021@netnews.upenn.edu>, kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Peck's Bad Boy) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct7.100313.19119@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
> >>In the referenced article, raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES) writes:


<< STUFF DELETED >>
> >
> >>In comparison,  REM appears to have gotten fat, spoiled, and lazy.
> >
> >I don't know.  Bill looks a little thinner and Michael has that
> >radiation treatment look now, definitely thinner.  
> >
>     Michael definately has that "radiation" look.  Has anyone seen him in
>   an interview lately?  I wonder if he is so far out of it that they don't
>   let him talk to the media anymore.  In all of the pre-AFTP release stuff,
>   I have only seen Mike Mills and Peter.

What do you mean by "so far out of it"?  Besides the ugly semi-annual HIV
rumors, I haven't heard anything negative about Michael's health.  All the
pictures I've ever seen of him indicate he's always been a skinny guy.  He
claims he's not interviewing because the interviewers try to "pick apart his 
soul", while they ask the other band members "technical questions" 
(paraphrasing on top of paraphrasing).

As far as being "fat, spoiled and lazy", why should they tour if they don't
want to?  They'll tour when they're good and ready, and probably do a better
job because of it.

__________________________________________________________

Jim Hiebert - jimh2@cfsmo.honeywell.com
Honeywell Commercial Flight Systems/Minneapolis Operations

"It's hard to work in a group when your omnipotent" -- Q
From: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: paul's record sale/severed heads
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:43:55 GMT
Reply-To: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

hello, paul..... i believe i saw that you had a list of records for sale...
well, you may be in luck , that is if you happen to have what i'm looking
for..... 
i`m looking for these things by severed heads:

                             "blubber knife," cassette,
                             "clifford darling, please don't live in the
                             past," double album, and
                              the reissue of "city slab horror" on cd.

if you have any of these things, or if you have any interesting cabaret
voltaire stuff (i have almost all of their shit) let me know...

                                      thanks,,,
 
                                    caroliner swordfish petunia juhdah
From: mw5e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Hamilton Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. countdown theory
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:15:08 GMT
	<6V0FsB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

There is a two on AFTP.  On the inside of the tape, there is a picture
of some kind of sculpture that has two large circular rings.

maybe.

Mike
From: IRI7@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (IRI7)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: SWANS "COP" on CD?
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:22:57 GMT
Organization: McGill University

I've heard that Swans's second album has been re-released somewhere
on CD. Anybody know anything about it ? (name of label, catalogue
number, etc...)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: pverkai@cs.vu.nl (Verkaik PD)
Subject: Re: R.E.M. breaking up -- maybe a rumor, but what if...?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:44:10 GMT

cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
: 
: In a previous article, rob@vger.cheme.cornell.edu () says:
: 
: >>  When Green came out, a friend of mine theorized that they would have only 
: >>three more albums.  This was his reasoning:
: >>    - "Document" is subtitled "#5"
: 
: It's subtitled #5 because it was their fifth album. Goddamn conspiracy
: theorists. :)

That's right. I read somewhere that they had to do five records for IRS and were
very pleased to have finished the last of them (which is why they put a '5' on
the Document album)...

Patrick
From: misb3crs@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Joy Div trivia
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:32:08 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct12.210531.14201@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  ) writes:
> In article <0D2HsB1w165w@hale.cts.com> genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko) writes:
>>misb3crs@dct.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>> In article <1992Oct8.222459.3954@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
>>> > 
>>> > 	I heard that New Order got their name from the name of a youth
>>> > wing of the Nazi party, a sort of Hitler youth thing.  I _severely_
>>> > doubt that they're fascist or Nazi themselves, though!
>>> > 
>>> > 	- Gord
>>> 
>>> New Order have nothing to do with the nazis at all , their name does not come
>>> from a wing of the Hitler youth, so leave them be.....
>>
>>the evidence would point at it though.
> 
> 	I'm sure the choice was meant in an ironic way.  Like I said, I
> find it hard to believe that they're Nazi or something.
> 
> 	- Gord, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca



question..... If New Order etc are Nazis then howcome there is no mention of
              Nazis , or of their ideals in any of New Orders lyrics ?

Scobie....Dundee...Scotland....
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Cure: I Wish...
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:50:50 GMT
 <1992Sep30.041850.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>,<u882517.717902263@bruny> 
 <1992Oct1.150523.20549@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> <mtl2001-071092160715@m248-104.bgsu.edu>

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you.  I have all the US releases by the
Cure, and I have to say that I think Wish is pretty good in comparison. 
The Cure has changed quit a bit, but I don't necessarily think it's for
the worse.  I like both their old style and their new style.  My two
favorite albums are probably Japanese Whispers and Disintegration: from
very different time periods, very different stylistically, but both very
good.  I'll admit that perhaps Wish wasn't as good as Disintegration, but
it was more that the album lacked the "theme" present in the other ones. 
Just because there are a few happy songs, I don't think that's any reason
to be down on the Cure.  In fact, I read a review that criticized the
album for being as depressing as the others.  One thing that I recommend
is getting the two singles, especially the High single.  They show that
the Cure just selected certain songs, but that they could have put some
really good songs on Wish (i.e. This Twilight Garden).

-- 

             --      Ishir Bhan (ibhan@husc.harvard.edu)      --
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: XTC
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:39:37 EDT

  If this is an intelligent group of people, asking for XTC fans here 
should be like asking for James Brown fans on the funk newsgroup.  They 
are the best "alternative" group ever, and one of the best in all of rock 
music.  English Settlement is my favorite album of theirs, but Skylarking, 
Mummer, and Drums And Wires are all fighting fiercely for second place.
   Is Nonsuch up to their usual standards?  I've heard very varied reports 
on this album- most people aren't too enthusiastic about it.  I'm holding 
off buying this album until I hear some more opinions.  Any help would be 
appreciated.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Subject: Re: Erasure in the South??
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:20:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.162112.19067@midway.uchicago.edu> jbf1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>There's also San Fransisco, I believe.  Only three shows, and the
>>theater is small (from what I heard).
>
>I'm going to one of three Chicago shows.  They only planned on
>two, and those sold out quickly, so they added a third about two
>weeks ago.

Nyah, Nyah! Here in LA they are playing 8 or 10 (I lost count) shows at the
Wiltern Theatre ;-) . Could this possibly the most nights on their tour in 
the US?
-- 
AlienSexFiend*Bauhaus*Curve*DepecheMode*Erasure*FrontLineAssembly*Gruesome- *
*	Daniel Ouellette       | 	 "People need to be schocked"	    *
*   douellet@beach.csulb.edu   |		     -Me	   	    *
Twosome*HumanDrama*JesusJones*KMFDM*LordsOfAcid*MLwtThrillKillKult*NitzerEbb*
From: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: ciggies
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:45:11 GMT
Reply-To: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

there right here in the refrigerator.....
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: emansell@newssun.med.miami.edu (Eric Mansell)
Subject: Re: Cure I Wish...
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:09:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.132314.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> avac002@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Edge of
>the deep green see is a follow on in the line of the track disintergration of
>the lp of the same name. A driving epic that just keeps getting more and more
>intense, an exercise in establishing a feel and seeing how long you can drive
>it for. 

Best track on the disc.  Absolute desperation by the end of it. 

>I saw them live in Wellington New Zealand recently and will have to admitt to
>felling let down. A great "performance" but they didn't bleed real blood but I
>supose they can't drive themselve to the edge 7 nights a week.

I saw them consecutive nights in Miami and Tampa, once from the back and once
from the front.  Unbelievable.  *UNNN*believable.  I had heard High 
and FIIL on the radio as Wish was released. Very down on the disc (Porn is
my fave) and waited until about 2 weeks before the show to pick it up.
Crept to the show wondering and haven't been able to stop 
listening to Wish since.

>cheers etc
>
>RPM

Later,
E

>Cure Critics - have the patience to look for the vein of gold and give them the
>space to grow .    
>
Amen.