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From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Third Party Raw SCSI Disks
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:29:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

I am looking to add more storage to our SUN systems.
We have SUN 330 servers and are interested in replacing the 327 Meg
internal SCSI Disks with something a little bigger.

Can anyone tell me if any (or all) of the following will work in these
servers:

Maxtor MX117S       1500MB
Micropolis MC1548   1748MB
Fujitsu FJ2652S     1752MB
Micropolis MC1924   2100MB

I would also appreciate any comments on why I shouldn't do this.

Thank you.

bill

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From: barnes@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Craig Barnes)
Subject: Price of SMD drives
Organization: University of Illinois, Chicago
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:11:27 GMT

I recently got an old Sun 2/110, It has rather large SMD
drive attached to it, by large I mean in volume not in Megs.

I would like to know what would be the price of a used SMD
drive would be? (I'm looking for something around 150 to 230 Megs)

Also does anyone know of a company that sells used parts for 
Sun 2's? 


Thanks


Craig Barnes
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:44:00 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>How does a 50MHz chip achieve 59.1 MIPS?

By defining MIPS as...

>I know that MIPS is about the sloppiest term around, but what
>can they possible mean when they use it here?

... "the number of times faster than a VAX-11/780 that the SPARCclassic
runs benchmark XXX, when that benchmark is compiled with compiler
version YYY and run under version ZZZ of operating system WWW on the VAX
and compiled with compiler AAA and run under version BBB of operating
system CCC on the SPARCclassic".

Remember, in the phrase "this machine has N MIPS", "MIPS" stands for
"Meaningless Indicator of Processor Speed"; the fact that it also
happens to be the acronym for "Millions of Instructions Per Second" is
best thought of as being purely coincidence, these days, as it has
nothing to do with the number of millions of instructions some processor
can run per second.

(I.e., it appears to be even sloppier than you thought....)
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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Need format.dat specs for Maxtor 7213SR...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:34:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.154539.29880@emr1.emr.ca> craven@cg.emr.ca writes:
"Subject says it all, thanks.

isn't [is?] this disk the same as the sun207?

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:32:55 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Actually, the 4.1.x format and Solaris 2.x format must be *really*
>close.

They are.

>Solaris 2.x disks can be connected to SunOS 4.1.x (not 4.0.x)

The "not 4.0.x" is probably a 4.3BSD vs.  4.3-tahoe issue, i.e., FFS vs. 
FFFS (I'd been under the impression that a system that supports only
FFS, such as 4.0[.x] could safely mount an FFFS file system *read-only*,
although read-write won't work).

>unless they use EFT ranges, i.e., values
>for file attributes that are out of range in 4.1.x but are valid
>in the ranges of Extended Filesystem Types.

(As I remember from my days at Sun, I think it's Ex.*ed Fundamental
Types, not just Filesystem Types; they also cranked "pid_t" up to 32
bits, for example.)

For those to whom EFT merely means Electronic Funds Transfer, EFT is a
set of changes to various system data types to widen them.

SVR4 widens:

	"ino_t" to 32 bits (about time SV realized that there've been
	   file systems that can have >65535 inodes for about 10 years
	   now);

	"uid_t" and "gid_t" to 32 bits;

	"dev_t" to 32 bits (14 bits of major device number, 18 bits of
	   minor device number);

and also widens some other types.  UIDs and GIDs are, I think, still
restricted to 16-bit values for now; the intent was to remove that
restriction later.  Inumbers and major/minor device pairs are already
allowed to be >16 bits.
From: astewart@megatek.com (Al Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:08:56 GMT
Reply-To: astewart@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

>Both the classic and the LX REQUIRE solaris 2.1.  If you
>want to run 4.1.X you still gotta buy the old machines.
>ALl the older machines remain in the line for the time
>being.  I got the impression this was to accomodate those
>who don't want to move to 2.1.

Wait a minute! WHAT! I must be misunderstanding something here. What
happened to binary compatibility? I'm not committed to Solaris 2 (yet).
One of the reasons I want a SUN is to have the option of 4.1.x or
try the new Solaris 2.x. Someone please explain/verify. 
The LX won't run 4.1.x (solaris 1.0)?


Allan
astewart@megatek.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: lhall@csfb1.fir.fbc.com (Lawrence Hall)
Subject: NEED shallow monitors for SUN systems	 
Reply-To: uunet!csfb1!lhall
Organization: First Boston Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:48:29 GMT


We have a need for shallow monitors that will work with a SUN IPC/IPX systems.
The monitors we get from Sun are over 17" deep, put this on a 20" counter and 
you have no room for the keyboard and the monitor is right in your face.  The 
users are willing to use a smaller screen in order to have it sit back further
on the desk. 

Is anyone out there making non-Sun monitors work with thier systems? Any one 
using a monitor on Sun that is significantly less that 17" from front to back??

We would also like to hear from users of flat-plasma displays or greyscale 
monitors. 


Thanks in advance - 

" " " Lawrence


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: rob@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rob Hutten)
Subject: Type 5 Keyboard on SLC- arrows keys don't work
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:41:45 GMT


I'm running SunOS 4.1.2 on an SLC with a type 5 keyboard.  
The arrow keys don't work.  The ones on the numeric keypad
work fine but the `real' arrows keys are completely ignored.

My DIP switches (or, rather, those of my keyboard) are set
to 00000000.

Any idea what's wrong?  Supposedly 4.1.2 fully supports this
keyboard...  My old type 4 keyboard's arrow keys worked fine.

-Rob
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From: bygate@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Terrence A. Bygate)
Subject: Re: SparcStation 10 and multiprocessing
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:15:23 GMT

Lupe Christoph (lupe@ukw.uucp) wrote:
: bill@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bill Hewitt) writes:
: >My original understanding was that Sparc10 machines would be able to
: >use >1 processor under SunOS4.1.3, but that multi threading would only
: >become possible under Solaris2.0.
: 
: 
: 	- The only supported multiprocessor Viking configurations
: 	  are the -52 and the -54, as far as I know. At least there
: 	  is not model -42 in my pricelist.

So, when do the SS10/5x become available?  Will they not be out
until Solaris2.1?  If they are out sooner than Solaris2.1, will 
multiple processors be available for multiple jobs?

Terry.
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From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: improved color monitor for SS1?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:12:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C.
Originator: ndd@bal1

We're interested in getting a better color monitor for our
Sparc Station 1s. We currently have the 16" Philips monitors,
and users are complaining about their lack of sharpness and jitter.
Not having a service contract, we can't get them fixed/replaced
cheaply, and since one of our users is writing a grant, it occurred
to him to ask for a better monitor.

I realize that 'better' is very subjective, but I would entertain
any suggestions.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: awolfe@moo.Princeton.EDU (Andrew Wolfe)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:40:41 GMT

In article <15455@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

|> 
|> Faster?  Dunno.  Any idea what the SPECint92 and SPECfp92 numbers for a
|> 66 MHz DX2 486 box are?
|> 
|> >                 SPARCclassic          SS2 
|> >
|> >SPECint92        26.4                  21.8
|> >SPECfp92         21.0                  22.8
|> >MIPS             59.1                  28.5
|> 




From Microprocessor Reports - 9/16/92



		i486DX2, 66MHz

	SPECint92	32.4
	SPECfp92	16.1

Don't know about system configuration.

Since the Gateway is only $2995 in an ISA/localbus configuration with local-bus accellerated video, 15" monitor at up to 1280x1024, and local-bus disk controller.  (I just got one).  The decision is not so clear for a single-user workstation.
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From: sbeland@nrao.edu (Stephane Beland,,,)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: 1/2" tape errors with SCSI
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:16:28 GMT
Reply-To: sbeland@nrao.edu
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory

I'm in the process of transfering 14000 1/2" tapes to Exabyte (what a job...)
Some of the original tapes are 10 years old and have some bad spots.
I would like to be able to skip those spots and keep reading the rest of the 
data on the tape.
At this point the tape drive does 20 retries at rading then aborts with an error
message when it encounters a bad spot. ANY command sent to the tape drive causes
it to REWIND. 
Is this due to the st (scsi tape) device driver or the way the tape drive is
configured (by the way i'm using an HP 88780B drive)?

How can i get around this?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: dj@shiva.gsb.columbia.edu (Dev Joneja)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Reply-To: dj@shiva.gsb.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia Business School
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:48:48 GMT

Just to increase the confusion on the prices of these machines :)
I saw today an ad in the Wall Street Journal in which Sun says that the
color machines go for 3995. The fine print says this is for quantities of
12 OR MORE. Therefore the thirteenth one will be at this price too, and
not at the 4295 (?) or any such number.

Another note: For complete description of the new machines, prices, upgrades
and whatever, I sent email to Jim.Desposito@East.SUN.COM
He is the local sales rep here in the NY area, and his mailing will
clarify most of the confusion I have observed here over the last few days.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows)
Subject: Re: What is the best working temperature for workstations?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:07:27 GMT
Organization: The Portland Group, Portland, OR


Well, my workstations work fine up to 85F, but my Sun 3/280 crashes
over 80-82F.  sorry, I'm still in the dark ages as far as Celsius
(let's see, is that multiply by 9/5 and add 32 -- no wait, subtract 32
and multiply by 5/9 -- no wait ...)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: A/D system for SparcStation IPC
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:02:16 GMT

tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:

>I am working on an analog VLSI microchip, which I am interested in
>testing with a A/D and hopefully also D/A system from a SparcStation.
>I don't know a heck of alot about Suns, especially their buses, so
>if there is a card available for a reasonable price, it'd probably
>be worth my while instead of building my own.

Analyx Systems Inc. have 3 cards, with AtoD _and_ DtoA, or either seperately.
AtoD is 16 Channel, 14 bit.
DtoA is 4 Channel, 18 bit.

Analyx Systems are U.S. based: Phone (510) 657-0927
We are an agent in Australia.

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From: tch@kepler.unh.edu (Travis C. Hayes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Need help with SUN SCSI
Date: 8 Nov 1992 19:02:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

Recently the 141M Toshiba drive in my shoebox stopped booting with a
message something like "getbyte failed; invalid return ffffffff"
Now I can't get the drive to boot at all. It is on a SCSI -> EDSI
adaptor so could it be an adaptor problem?

The strange part is that I can boot from tape and the drive is
recognized. I even installed the miniroot on the drive and rebooted
into it. Yet when I turn the drive off then on again, I can no
longer issue a "b sd(0,0,1) -sw" and boot into miniroot. It fails
with the same "getbyte failed" message.

Any ideas?

- Travis
- tch@unh.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: miranda@topaz.eng.uiowa.edu (Johann Miranda)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic vs. 486
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:50:27 GMT
Organization: Department of Elect. and Comp. Engr., University of Iowa, USA.

In article <BxLvG1.C44@pgroup.com>, lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows) writes:
|> I agree that the prices are competitive between sparc and 486 systems,
|> but I think the dearth of user-level software is still a problem.  Does
|> anyone have info on cost of things like Lotus, Microsoft Word (if available),
|> accounting software, etc. for sparcs vs. PCs.
|> 
|> Of course, Macs are better anyway :-).
|> -- 
|> Larry Meadows		The Portland Group
|> lfm@pgroup.com


	Not so for us little people.... I would love to have a SPARCanything,
but machines > $3000 are beyond my reach. Another small detail, if one must
yet buy the OS, compilers,etc..., how much is enough?

	A comparison to the South Dakota Co. is fine, although for low
bottom users, even that place is "too classy" (read expensive).

A bottom price PC runs about $1500 with a 200 meg drive (386 CPU). I can get a
_free_  bsd-like OS thru the net. Compilers, TeX, X11, etc, etc, etcetera.

	If SUN wants to capture the high end PC market, they have a good
product. Just don't expect home sales, or sales to students until they lower
their prices a tad more.
From: marcelo@sparcwood.Princeton.EDU (Marcelo A. Gallardo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: format.dat for Maxtor P1-17S
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:50:33 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster


	
	Subject line pretty much covers it. I need an entry for the
	Maxtor 1.7G (P1-17S) drive so I can get this beast formatted and
	mounted.

	Thanks in advance...

	Marcelo -

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.wanted,alt.sys.sun,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.solaris
From: birger@sdata.no (Birger A. Wathne)
Subject: Efficient read from Sun SPC board
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware 
Reply-To: birger@sdata.no
Organization: Skrivervik Data A/S
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 10:13:50 GMT

A customer uses Sun SPC (Serial Parallell Controller) to read large
volumes of data (on several lines). They are experiencing silo
overflows on the SPC inputs.

I would like to get some hints for them on how to read these serial
ports as efficiently as possible. They run some kind of two-way
protocol over the line, but they mostly read data.

Anyone getting good throughput on multiple lines out there?

They are currently running SunOS 4.1, but I guess thoughts on how
to write code that ports easily to Solaris 2.x will also be of value,
as the real-time support in 2.x should be very interesting for them.

Answer directly (by mail), and I'll summarize if there is enough
interest.


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From: rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:42:36 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced Systems, Fremont CA


A friend of mine and I were talking the other day about the
future of the various Risc architectures. He was claiming that
Dec's Alpha and HP's Precision architecture and even IBM's
new entry will be continuing to gain on and outstrip Sun's
Sparch architecture. How do other folks feel about this.

Now I seem to remember reading somewhere that Sparc International
was working on a 64 bit standard Sparc-Compatible standard.
What do other folks know about this. My friend claims that it
is not possible to extend the Sparc standard in the ways it would
take to really gain a performance advantage over the competition.

How do other folks feel about this? What does the evidence claim?
What I've heard is that although Sparc as been cheaper to "scale"
to using faster technology, the other companies have just used
sheer brute force and financial muscle to gain and advantage over
Sun.

What are other folks thoughts?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: kent@manzi.unx.sas.com (Paul Kent)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Originator: kent@manzi.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:49:57 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Nov12.154848.377@news.columbia.edu>, dj@shiva.gsb.columbia.edu (Dev Joneja) writes:
>Just to increase the confusion on the prices of these machines :)
>I saw today an ad in the Wall Street Journal in which Sun says that the
>color machines go for 3995. The fine print says this is for quantities of
>12 OR MORE. Therefore the thirteenth one will be at this price too, and
>not at the 4295 (?) or any such number.
>

aint it strange how english and programming languages often get it backward.
the fine print didnt say "12 AND MORE" which would include all quantities
greater than 12.  "12 OR MORE" leaves enuff room for them to wiggle around
doesn't it?

perhaps they have a thirty-day moneyback arrangement. buy 12, return 11 :-)
(no responses needed)


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From: leifa@ifi.uio.no (Leif Arne Neset)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sun is violating the Ethernet-Spec with its
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:49:02 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Originator: leifa@solva.ifi.uio.no



> With respect to SQE, IBM Xstations, at least the 130, *do* require
> SQE when booting remotely.  If there is a valid work around this I'd
> be interested in hearing about it.  Thanks...Phil.
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If you want to use tftp to boot a diskless DECSTATION 500/240 over
the ethernet a transceiver with SQE enabled is needed.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart)
Subject: Re: SPARCclassic vs. 486 (Was Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments))
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:13:58 GMT


-- 
>  Gateway 2000 66MHz 486DX2 EISA*     Sun SPARCclassic
>  66MHz Intel 486 ("double clocked")  50MHz TI microSPARC
>  8MB RAM                             16MB RAM using 16MB sims (to 96MB)

   +$50 to gateway

If you know a place where you can pick up 8 MB of RAM for
$50, I want to know about it. Cheapest I've seen so far is
Fry's at $36/MB (= $288/*MB).


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: scott@degenerate.ee.udel.edu (Doke)
Subject: Re: What is the best working temperature for workstations?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.042204.22519@ccsun7.csie.nctu.edu.tw> jypai@ccnext.csie.nctu.edu.tw writes:
) 
) But I need to know what is best for them, and what is reasonable.
) Will room temperature will shorten their life? (According to ur experience)

    In my experiance the disks are more sensitive than the cpus.  We've
got some that start giving lots of read errors over 80F.  I tend 
to think the machines should be kept as cool as possible, short 
of condensing dew on them.  Definately under 70F.

    
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