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From: sirdesh@i32s1.ira.uka.de (Sam Sirdesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INTERNET IN ASIA/INDIA.
Date: 14 Oct 1992 11:45:14 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sirdesh@i32s1.ira.uka.de (Sam Sirdesh)
NNTP-Posting-Host: i32s1.ira.uka.de

I have yet to read that article in Spectrum. Although the management at
NCST (Bombay) knows what it's on about and has the right idea, I'm a bit
skeptical of the benefits of this technology percolating outside large
urban areas, owing to political and administrative limitations outside
NCST's control. An example of this politicking is the Videsh Sanchar
Nigam (overseas comms office), Bombay, which is superbly organised and
performing excellently, but is prevented by DoT babus from work in other
areas (such as the Indian cellular comms network and wide-area public
data networks) - ref. SUNDAY magazine, 30.9.92.  I am thus suspicious of
this "total coverage of India by Internet / Bitnet." What does that
mean? Does it mean that, because India has just four metropolitain areas
(a ridiculously small number for a continent of 850 mn etc...) which
just happen to be geographically distributed around the land area, that
connections between these four cities (+ Bangalore) implies "total
coverage"? The real revolution comes when all the smaller towns are
connected to ernet (and hopefully others by then) and have enough
capacity for advanced applications: can I do what you're doing now in,
say, Nagpur or Surat or Varanasi? 

Beware of generalisations.

Sam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian women and men
Date: 15 Oct 1992 19:58:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

Miss Surya Kavuri:

>   Why don't people just take it easy ...
>   and take a sip of their favorite ....
>   GODDAMMM...
>    YUK....YUK...
>    Can't McDonald's ever get their coffee right ?


do you seriously think you are being funny when you post such nonsense
on the net? haven't you ever read articles about misusing usenet
privileges? just use the command ?Usenet?rh in rn and see the article
which was posted sometime back.


suresh
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! ( was Re: Abuse of Usenet Privileges)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:20:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

>   My dear Shyamala:

is she really dear to you?

>	If you want to, then why not go ahead and DO whatever you are 
>	planning to (do) ? What in the $%^& are you WAITING for ??????

you should have known by now that threateners only threaten. i have
seen a lot of them in soc.culture.indian.telugu. it was gudu fun.

>	 That you want all of *us* to know about your "victory" (??)
>	 over Ravi ???? 	

victory over ravi? impossible!!!!!! have you ever heard of a female
winning over a guy?

>   My dear Ravi (hey! you know Doki personally ?) :

yeah he is one of the luck few!!!



suresh


ps: when are you going to be here?

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From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Natiowide Demo for Bosnia,Fri Oct16
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:27:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.114253.667@hls.com> silatman@hls.com writes:


>                 NATIONWIDE DEMO TO STOP GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA!
>                             FRIDAY, OCT. 16, 1992.
>
>
>       All people of conscience are encouraged to join in a nationwide
>       demonstration [to be held in United States and Canada] to bring
>       attention to the situation in Bosnia, so that serious efforts
>       can be made to stop the genocide of MUSLIMS and CATHOLICS in
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>       that region of the world.

Why isn't it sufficient to say that the genocide of BOSNIANS
must be stopped?

Why MUST the religions of the Bosninans be mentioned when you
are implying that the genocide is across the religious
boundaries.

Reflects that you can not look at  a human without finding out
what his/her religion is. This kind of attitude is in part
responsible for the kind of genocides you are protesting here.


>      GOOD PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS ARE INVITED TO JOIN US!
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

SAME thing here. Why isn't it sufficient to call on just PEOPLE?
Why the qualification "of all faiths" is a MUST? Again the
reflection of the same state of mind which sees a person only
by his/her religion.


>
>      GOD BLESS!

This objection of mine has nothing to do with my view that 
everything must be done to stop the genocide and attrocities 
going on in Bosnia. But I will never join the group of protesters
whose thinking itself is so much tainted that it does not see
a person for a person, but only sees his/her religious identity.


---raj
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:32:47 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <81047@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>Ditto.  The idea of "cultural relativism" is peculiar to the West.  I
>can't think of any non-Western culture which advocates this idea.

  So what do non-Western cultures advocate? That they are superior? That
they are inferior?

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
		"Revive the Swedish-Madagascan Brigand Pact!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: c059vin@utarlg.uta.edu (DANIEL VINCENT)
Subject: Re: Distortion in Meenan Vishnu Opposed
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:06:00 GMT

In article <8er7qX600iUxI51nhe@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes...
>>of Jaya. Definitely not. Its just because Jeya is very much against
>>LTTE and the SL tamils living in TN. So Ranjith, do not be emotional.
> 
>No. I never liked her coming to power. For simple reasons:
> 
>1. She was MGR's mistress. But, acted as though she was.
>2. Won the election with the sympathy vote as though SHE WAS Rajiv's widow.
> 
>Doesn't have the credentials to be a chieg minister. Having slept with
>the ex-chief minister isn't good enough. Also, I have to point out that
>I dislike Mr. Karunanidhi also. He's unprincipled and will do anything
>to please anyone....good in changing the tunes. I heard he has 10-12
>mistresses?
> 
>thambi

Does one have to judge the post of chiefministership by one's character? 
One should decide on how good a job one does for the people and the economy.
Do compare the last 4 chiefministers we had and you could have a better pers-
pective of who is/would be good.

Daniel

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian women and men
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:04:10 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.140.191

 In article <1bmjn0INNf2i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
  >>  Hang loose
  >what does this mean? i am new to this country you know!

	Wear boxer shorts.....

	Prem!               =:^) 
================================================================================
====    The cattle quietly grazing at the grass down by the river           ====
====    Where the swelling mountain water moves onward to the sea           ====
====    The builder of the castles renews the age-old purpose               ====
====    And contemplates the milking girl whose offer is his need           ====
====                                 -- Thick As A Brick, J.Tull            ====
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From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: On our specimen chiefminister Jyothi Basu...
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:38:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Oct12.213815.5824
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL

(Sanjiva Prasad) writes:

>And state-sponsored bandhs take the cake.  Who are they hurting but the common
>people?  The same applies to bandhs sponsored by political parties. 
>Shopkeepers are threatened and have to pull their shutters down, the poor
>woman lemon-seller who earns a few rupees a day has to starve her children...

Asking more for clarification than argumentation.  Where would you
place Gandhiji's Quit India movement.  His call for non-cooperation
with the state.  And would India be independent today without those
tactics.

>These unions have quite simply become mafias, and hold the whole
>community to ransom.  And what have those  much admired French
>intellectuals to say?  I note with sadness that this is a new kind
>of caste system. 

Quite effectively neutralised by the nineteenth century robber baron
capitalists of America.

Sanjoy Ghosh
From: sudha+@CMU.EDU (Sudha Neelakantan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: NARMADA - WB defers decision till ...
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:36:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oeojLd600WB984IHpt
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Its also fact that of the money invested in these development projects
anywhere from 30 to 50% goes into the pockets of the few contractors
etcas graft.
also i don't see why we shouldn't learn from history -- there is no
need for us to repeat the west's mistakes.  just because they did the
same things 20 years ago or 50 years ago and we can now see the bad as
well as good results doesn't mean that we should do the same things.
I will repeat the Pugwash motto
Learn to think in a new way.
we can find other solutions for drought than white elephant dams.
we might actually avoid some of the more unpleasant consequences of
blindly following "western gurus" with a little forethought.

Sudha

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
   Sudha K. Neelakantan     < Clouds come floating into my life,  
    The Heinz School of      \ no longer to carry rain or usher storm   
Public Policy and Management  \ but to add color to my sunset sky.
      Carnegie Mellon          >    - Rabindranath Tagore -
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME DOKI JOKES
Date: 7 Oct 1992 06:12:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

THE morAn Sree Sreehari Nimmala farted:

>When I saw the heading, "SOME --- JOKES", I thought I would
>be treated with lots of jokes. But, I got dejected by seeing
>only one. Please treat me with more.
>S.Nimmala
>P.S. I am just kidding. ;-)

why don't you look into the mirror every five minutes.


suresh


ps: nothing can be more funny.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar)
Subject: Re: More about India
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:14:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.150358.28380@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
>Hi nettors,
>
>It seems suddenly people realised that India is not a place for women to live
>in. Oh yeah and USA is always better. BULLSHIT.
>
>I just saw arguments by people based on their experiences in Delhi and Bombay
>alone. Maybe eave teasing happens in Madras, Bangalore and Calcutta too. Anybody
>heard of any eave teasing in towns and villages ? Any incidents ? 
>
>
	[stuff deleted]
>
>Here women are nothing but sex objects to men(most of them). Men stare here
>also at beautiful women passing all kinds of comments. Whereas in India the
>teasing stops in the roads here it follows the women wherever she goes. And
>they get beaten by their husbands(I accept that this is common in India too)
>and their boy friends. 
>
>Guys here are always looking for women for sex. And most of them do get what
>they wanted by persuasion or force. Men go to bars to "pick up" girls for the
>night. The work place is also not so good to the women here. And I can tell
>
	[stuff deleted]
>
>Sincerely yours,
>M.P.Premkumar

I sympathize with victims of eve-teasing and other forms of sexual harassment
in India. But I agree with your sentiments.

Talking about men staring and passing comments at women here, well, I do not
think that the nettors will deny that, but it is a question of scale.

Also, may be the Indian females find the comments in India crude and the comments
here 'polished'; and the physical characteristics of the people uttering these
comments result in the same comment classified as 'crude eve-teasing' or
'harmless flirting (how cute!)'.

I couldn't help getting a little annoyed when an Indian girl here once talked
about this 'rowdy' gang in her Banglore college and then said that when men
give compliment here (once a guy admired her in a bathing suit) they do it
so 'decently'...

Jagadisan Shivakumar


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: venki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (N. Venkateswaran)
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:07:16 GMT

In article <SHUBU.92Oct6172458@green.cs.wisc.edu> shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee) writes:
>

>SKUMAR> BTW, all this crap about IIT achievers. Has everyone forgotten 
>SKUMAR> Karmarkar already? ( I beleive he was on the front page of NYT in 
>SKUMAR> '85 (?) )
>
>And Sanjeev Arora, Rajeev Motwani, and Madhu Sudan - whose achievement 
>had been quoted in NYT (a couple of months back) as one of the milestones 
>in Theoretical Computer Science and Mathematics.  All these guys are 
>ex-IITians (well, Arora left IITK in his 3rd year).  
>
>-Shubu
>
>P.S.: BTW, Abhinav, I ditched US Univs. to IITK (at the UG level).  
>      Now you know why.

	Sometime in 1985, TIME had Molly Ringwald on the cover and a whole
	lot of praiseworthy words inside. I wonder where she is now?

	NYT had carried major reports on breakthorughs in Cold Fusion. 
	
	People magazine has an annual "sexiest man alive" competition which
	was once won by Mr. City-of-Joy Swayze.

	Oh, and by the way Shubu I have some land in Florida. Interested?

	n.V.

	-Confucius say "a fool and his ego make best friends".


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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: INTERNET IN ASIA/INDIA.
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:57:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1bddagINN3u8@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:

>BTW, the latest issue of SPECTRUM Magazine,  Oct. 1992,  an article on
>the Email facility, "Email-Pervasive And Pusuasive", on Page 22, tells
>about the fact that India is one of the only 9 countries in the world,
>where the entire nation is covered by Internet and Bitnet.
>
>According to last count the other countries were believed to be U.S.A.
>the U.K.,  Australia,  Japan, Canada, New Zealand (partially), and two 
>others that I am not able to recall right now.

Its a great set of articles on email, that is sure.  I highly
recommend it to everyone.  However, I was a bit disappointed that
their colored map (that told a country's degree of international
email connectivity) didn't distinguish between countries that have
the internet and those that have only bitnet or whatever.  It
makes it a *lot* easier to disseminate and find information with
the reliable and direct connections.  Not to mention the improved
email delivery times and reliability.
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.pakistan
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: INTERNET IN ASIA/INDIA.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:37:16 GMT

In article <1bddagINN3u8@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:

>BTW, the latest issue of SPECTRUM Magazine,  Oct. 1992,  an article on
>the Email facility, "Email-Pervasive And Pusuasive", on Page 22, tells
>about the fact that India is one of the only 9 countries in the world,
>where the entire nation is covered by Internet and Bitnet.

This is certainly a great achievement for India. With the whole of
India coverd by INternet and Bitnet, I can now reach my friend at
Inst. of Science Bangalorewithout having my mail route through uucp.

>
>According to last count the other countries were believed to be U.S.A.
>the U.K.,  Australia,  Japan, Canada, New Zealand (partially), and two 
>others that I am not able to recall right now.
>

Have you forgotten the island nations (at least 3) and one on mainland 
Asia that have both Internet and Bitnet criss-crossing their countries.
By the way all these nations have very resp[ectable economies, growth
and reserves.

-Mann

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: Natiowide Demo for Bosnia,Fri Oct16
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:50:39 GMT

bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:

>Why isn't it sufficient to say that the genocide of BOSNIANS
>must be stopped?

>Why MUST the religions of the Bosninans be mentioned when you
>are implying that the genocide is across the religious
>boundaries.

Because, like the genocide in Kashmir, the people are being
slaughtered BECAUSE they are Muslims.

-hd
From: manas@lena.cs.umd.edu (Manas Chandra Saksena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SCI posters club
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:17:44 GMT
Reply-To: manas@cs.umd.edu
Distribution: soc.culture.indian



In article <1992Oct9.213219.7831@coe.montana.edu>, prem@cs.montana.edu
(M.P.Premkumar) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.151042.13828@meaddata.com> udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia
>D'Cruz) writes:

>You painted a picture of misery and injustice in India and said USA was better
>in every way. And that you won't ever live in India. Now you say you love India.
>Somewhere along the line there is a contradiction. Which is true and which is
>false ?

I am not sure where the contradiction is coming from! Does loving a country imply
that one must live in that country. What if I love two countries, or two cities, 
or two houses:-). The world does not operate in binary terms, nor do people. 

>
>>It is the small things that stop people with visions
>>from getting things done.  I admire the people, who inspite of these roadblocks
>>go ahead with their dreams. But, I wish we made things a little easier for them
>
>Yeah they need more people to fight along with them. People like you don't
>support their cause by refusing to fight along with them.

Perhaps! But then again she says that she is not a fighter. Maybe you are - but 
then again just because you are, you do not attain a higher moral status - after
all you may be fighting for the wrong things. 

>
>>Maybe this is a Goodbye to SCI. Another one bites the dust....and another one's
>>gone. And, many more to go............
>
>All through people get flamed for their views on patriotism/religion/economy/sex
>/language/caste/race etc. But no one just withdraws just because they are 
>flamed.

You just saw an example of someone who might, and I am sure people in the past
have done the same. Not everyone is capable of handling flames (especially 
personal ones) without being affected. 

>And here goes yetanother woman who gives up too fast when it comes to fighting
>against the imbalance in the society.

You certainly did not help her fight for something you too realize is worth 
fighting for! 
 
>>Sylvia D. D'Cruz                                

>Sincerely yours,
>M.P.Premkumar
>


Regards,
Manas Saksena
From: U15297@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: In article 12815@noose.ecn.purdue.edu, gayathri@ec.ecn.purdue.edu
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:15:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92288.191504U15297
 <92288.145314U15297@uicvm.uic.edu> <1bi8k7INNsao@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Wpi seems to be infested, certainly.

So I won't be bothered to answer inane posts.
Do your own homework and don't expect *me* to
provide answers for you.

shyamala
From: rajan@bambam.uucp (Rajan Kanitkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF KERALA
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:16:02 GMT
Organization: ESL, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Oct7.211913@IASTATE.EDU> porayath@IASTATE.EDU (Rajiv Porayath) writes:
>Here what we see is the replay of 1921, the muslims in the above mentioned area
>went on a rampage to create a muslim caliph,they killed and destroyed anything
>that was Hindu,women were kidnapped and forcably converted to islam,thats why

>These actions of muslims all over the nation,supporting Pakisthan and drawing
>inspiration from ismalic fundamentalist nations will lead to a bloodbath and
> 

I wholeheartedly concur.

While on the face of it, this seems like a harmless and
isolated incident, it is actually a dangerous precedent.
It is the ideological beginning of another partition. 
If we look back in our history, we shall see that similar
seemingly innocuous and harmless incidents in the 20's, 30's
and 40's set down the ideological basis later used for the
creation of Pakistan. 
What we are seeing is that after 44 years of coddling and
kid-glove treatment, the Moslems are once again emboldened
enough to pubicly declare their higher allegiance to their
religious identity instead of their national and cultural
one. While the Moslems who are engaging in this pattern of
behavior may only be 10-15% of the total Indian Moslems, they
are like a cancer who will infect the rest if left unchecked. 

The non-BJP parties are earning their labels as
pseudo-secularists by not vociferously
opposing these cancerous element, instead cutting deals with
them to insure their vote-banks.

Let's separate these untransferred Pakistanis from the other
unaffected Moslem population and transfer them to the land of
their ideology.  The mission is to identify them, capture
them, and expel them before these latter day successors of
Jinnah succeed in turning the clock back to the tragic events of 1947.

As the saying goes : Those who fail to learn from the past 
are condemned to repeat it.

Rajan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand)
Subject: smoking percentages in India and US
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:38:07 GMT

Hi !
    I would like to know the percentage of people who smoke in India
and in the US. Are these numbers decreasing ?        

	Can somebody refer me to some magazines etc., which carry these
details.

Thanks.

J Anand.


Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA