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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:48:28 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <9211202221.AA10208@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> lion@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>I am looking for nba.c for 1992-93 season. Can someone please e-mail it to
>
>lion@vnet.ibm.com or post it here ??
>

i have placed a copy of the latest version of nba.c at ftp.wustl.edu in
directory /doc/misc/nbastats/src.  if you are unable to ftp, you may write
me via e-mail at nates@ll.mit.edu.  HOWEVER, today the machine where all
my mail goes is DOWN.  so i havent been able to use e-mail.  this will end
when?  who knows....not too long i hope!

if len carr is reading this, i have an idea which should make the annual
change over a .h file, thereby eliminating the need to post nba.c over &
over.  also the editing would only happen to the .h file, smaller.  this
may not be a good idea, though, since this would mean the necessity of 2
files instead of 1.  any other ideas?  that huge schedule array that len
enters is a daunting beast of a thing - and it looks like a typo could
sneak in there and hide for quite a long time.  its such a terrific
program that whatever means are necessary are ok.....

- nate
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:18:56 GMT

hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang) writes:

>1) Has any player in the NBA history EVER had a quadruple double?  I
>mean double digits in any four of the following categories: points,
>rebounds, steals, assists, blocks (and maybe turnover? :) 

	This has occurred, I believe, 3 times.  Once back in the 70's
	I believe (Nate Thurmond?), and twice in the last couple of years.
	Alvin Robertson accomplished this feat, getting double figures
	in points, rebounds, assists, and steals (this was when he was on
	the Spurs).  Hakeem Olajuwon also accomplished this, in points
	rebounds, assists, and blocks.  In fact, in that same season, he
	almost did it twice!  After accomplishing it the 1st time, the
	statmeisters reviewed the tapes, and removed one of his assists.
	However, he went on to finally accomplish the feat later in the
	season.

	Now, a quintuple double would certainly be something.  Even if
	the 5th category was turnovers... :)

	Jazzy J
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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Barry Rumors
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:45:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ora.BxtA89.n4J
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.

In article <1992Nov13.224933.29847@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>
>Hey Ellie, any new word on Barry trade rumors from Boston?
>
The word is still the same - nothin' doin'.

I've got to think that if any team made an offer to Boston that included
Barry, they'd pull the trigger immediately.  I heard that in order to
trade him, they had to sign him first.  If that was true, I think
they'd sign him in a nanosecond if the right offer came along.

Or, they might want to keep him if they end up trading Dee or Reggie
to fill the hole in the middle (my wishful thinking only - I still
think that 2 guards are a dime a dozen, and Brown and Lewis would bring
the most back to Boston)
-- 
        Ellie Cutler

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Rodman
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:57:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.180941.25614@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
...
>Rodman, although he's a great rebounder and a great one on one defender also
>represents sapping a strength that Golden State has, scoring.  He can't score
>in an empty gym and Sarunas is 18 or 19 points in the bag.
 
That's fun to say, isn't it? "Rodman can't score in an empty gym."
It kind of rolls off the tongue. I've heard it so many times, I almost
believe it myself.
 
Fact is, last season--the season he won the Player of the Year award--well
he averaged 9.8 points per game. That's better than most of the players in the
NBA. He's a role player; the guy that does the dirty work, like rebounding.
He's unselfish to a fault, and would much rather let someone else take the
shots.
...
>And now that Rodman has shown such an attitude and personal
>problems, I'm sure his trade value drops quite a bit.
 
My humble opinion is that Rodman is showing the attitude as a means of
getting traded. The Pistons management have stated that there is no "fire
sale" on Dennis.
 
(This post was based on facts, but a certain amount of personal opinion
is bound to have seeped through. Any resemblance to flames or woofs is
probably due to the fact that you didn't read it carefully).
 
--Eric
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From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: Celtics and next draft
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:55:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.154004.27030@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, narkiewi@risky.ecs.umass.edu (J. David Narkiewicz) writes:
|> Well, the Celtics look dead.   They have no big man and there strong
|> point SF/SG don't match up to those of say, Golden State (sad but true).
|> Lets ponder.  What if the Celitics continue at this pace.  Lets say they
|> lose 58 games (based on current record).  
|> 
|> 1) What would have been their position in the 1992 draft had they had that
|> many loses last year?
|> 
|> 2) Let's take that draft slot and apply it to the 1993 draft...  Who's out
|> there?
|

I think you are being incredibly pessimistic.  I think the Celtics
will still make the playoffs this year.  Only three teams lost more than
58 games last year -- Minnesota, Orlando, and Dallas.  Denver lost exactly
58.

Unlikely as I think it is, if the Celtics end up drafting 4th,
the selection of big men will depend on which underclassmen would come
out early.  The best bet of the senior class is probably Acie Earl
(6-10, 240) of Iowa.
If you reach a bit more, there is Ervin Johnson (6-11,240) of New Orleans,
Sascha Hupmann of Evansville (7-1,250), Ed Stokes of Arizona (7-0,266),
Malcolm Mackey (6-11,250) of Georgia Tech and Vin Baker (6-11,215) of
Hartford.  Certainly no sure bets.  Guys who will probably play
small forward in the pros, but are a reach at power forward include
Doug Edwards (6-9,220) of Florida State, and Josh Grant (6-9,225) of
Utah.

Underclassmen that could come out early include Jamal Mashburn (6-8,240)
of Kentucky and sophomore Chris Webber (6-9, 240) of Michigan.

So because next year's draft is one of the weakest ever, especially for
big men, even drafting 4th would not guarantee acquiring a quality big
man.  That's why it was so important for teams to make their moves
in the last couple of drafts.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU 
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From: narasi@cs.tamu.edu (Narasimhan)
Subject: A Basic Question
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:13:58 GMT



Hi 
I would like to know how they name the teams, like why Jazz for Utah,
Rockets for Houston, Lakers for LA and so on. 

I subscribed to this net very recently. I am sorry if this question 
has come up before
thanks


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From: freshlt@quig14.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly)
Subject: Re: A Basic Question
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:04:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.061358.9312@tamsun.tamu.edu> narasi@cs.tamu.edu  
(Narasimhan) writes:
> 
> 
> Hi 
> I would like to know how they name the teams, like why Jazz for Utah,
> Rockets for Houston, Lakers for LA and so on. 
> 
> I subscribed to this net very recently. I am sorry if this question 
> has come up before
> thanks
> 
> 
> --
> Narasimhan
> e-mail: sln1887@venus.tamu.edu
> 		or
>         narasi@neuron.cs.tamu.edu


	The Jazz were formerly the New Orleans Jazz so it's not difficult  
to see from where that name came.  The Lakers were originally from  
Minnisota which is the "Land of a Thousand Lakes".  I don't know for sure  
but I would guess that the Rockets are so named because of NASA's tracking  
station for outerspace missions is located in Houston.


			Tim
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From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE: nyk04was05.13nov92
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:51:32 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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nyk 104, was 106   13nov92

nyk ( 3- 1)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
campbell,tony     21   4   7   0  0   3  4   2  2   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0   11
oakley,charles    35   2   4   0  0   1  2   4 13   1  3  0  2  0  0  0  1    5
ewing,patrick     36  11  18   0  0   2  3   1 13   1  6  2  2  0  0  0  0   24
rivers,doc        22   3   5   0  0   6  6   0  2   2  3  2  2  0  0  0  0   12
starks,john       11   2   8   0  0   2  2   1  1   0  4  1  1  0  1  0  0    6
mason,anthony     33   5  10   0  0   6  7   1  4   1  4  0  4  0  0  0  0   16
davis,hubert      37  11  19   0  0   0  0   2  4   3  2  2  0  0  0  0  0   22
smith,charles     19   1   6   0  1   0  0   0  4   1  2  0  3  1  0  0  0    2
anthony,greg      26   2   8   0  1   2  3   0  2   9  1  4  1  0  0  0  0    6
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nyk totals       240  41  85   0  2  22 27  11 45  18 27 11 15  1  1  0  1  104
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .482   .000   .815       team rebs  5

was ( 1- 4)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
grant,harvey      34   5  14   0  0   4  4   1  4   2  4  1  4  0  0  0  0   14
gugliotta,tom     34   6  13   0  2   4  6   3 14   5  1  2  1  0  0  0  0   16
ellison,pervis    28   7   9   0  0   2  4   5  7   1  5  0  5  1  0  0  0   16
adams,michael     39   6  14   1  4   4  5   0  6   7  3  1  3  0  0  0  0   17
chapman,rex       34  10  23   0  5   7  8   0  2   2  2  1  3  0  0  0  0   27
jones,charles     30   2   2   0  0   3  4   0  2   0  3  1  0  4  0  0  0    7
johnson,buck      16   3   6   0  0   0  0   1  4   0  5  0  0  0  0  0  0    6
smith,labradford   9   1   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
price,brent       14   0   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  1  1  1  0  0  0  0    0
stewart,larry      2   0   0   0  0   1  1   0  1   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    1
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was totals       240  40  83   1 11  25 32  10 40  18 24  7 17  5  0  0  0  106
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .482   .091   .781       team rebs  9

nyk   32  23  29  20  -  104
was   35  23  23  25  -  106

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Subject: OT games
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)


So far this season it seems that there have been quite a few overtime
games that have been played.  Does anyone know if there is some kind
of record for this?

This season has been really exciting so far partially because of the
abundance of close games, but there's lots of other interesting things
that I've been wondering...

What's wrong with the Knicks?

What's right with Orlando?

Why's Utah winning on the road?

Why's Chicago only up one game on Milwaukee in the Central Division?

What's wrong with the Clips?

Why arren't the Kings licking the floor in the Pacific?

Why's Boston behind Philly and Washington?

Will Cleveland ever be completely healthy?

Where's Mutumbo?

This season's unpredictability has really made it an exciting season so
far for me.  I'm really looking forward to seeing how the rest of the
season unfolds...

Just think...  Atlanta beat Chicago...  Dallas beat Atlanta...
Dallas is better than... NAW....  :)

Justin.
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From: schaefer@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew James Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Forwards in the East II
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:24:41 GMT

In article <By6F22.AIJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> v131pvwg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Harry S Gong) writes:
>
>
>Armstrong: streaky shooting, assists (occasionally) drives
>Paxson: just a great jumpshot
>Hodges: 3 pointers, occasionally a drive
>
>	Sorry if I offend any Bulls fans but I like them as well, and if
>you are a true fan you should be able to criticize your team.  
>Scotty Pippen is indeed among the best forwards in the league, no doubt. 
>However, he probably leads in assists due to the fact that they a) lack 
>a potent threat at the point, b) because he is more of a forward that creates
>off the dribble and not so much a low post player.
>	As for the Bulls passing.  I know they do, so do a lot of other teams
>but a forward shouldn't be an assist leader, not many ever do.  It is not
>a Bulls put down to say this, I am just quoting the nature of the position 
>of point guard.  
>							Another thought.
>								Harebear 

Since you are such a big Bulls fan, you might be interested in knowing that
Hodges is no longer with the Bulls.   Corey Williams and Trent Tucker have
replaced Hodges and Hansen.

Andrew

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Shaq: 2nd coming of Jordan?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:25:00 GMT

bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:

>Won't be long before HE starts complaining?  Sheesh.  As long as the Orlando
>Magic have Shaq and his contract, there will be no other talent since he's
>sucking up a lot of money.  Now, if he wants to win a championship one day, 
>he's gonna have to rework his contract so that the Magic can get some money
>to actually put talent around him.  As of now, the best talent he's gonna get
>is this year's talent, cuz if the Magic start winning, then others on the
>team are gonna want pay raises, too.

	I would hardly call the Magic without talent.  If Brian Williams
	ever gets his medical problems cleared up, the Magic have one hell
	of a talented power forward.  Jeff Turner (the former olympian)
	is a solid backup frontcourt player).  You're also forgetting
	Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson -- two players that the Magic have
	built the franchise around (before Shaq).  Their injuries last
	year were what mostly caused the Magic's dismal record.  Skiles
	is an overachiever at the point, but a solid and fiery team leader.
	While high draft picks will be a thing of the past, looking at
	the management's prior draft picks, if they select the right players
	at those lower picks (which means not demanding as much $), they'll
	remain solid while remaining under the cap.

	Jazzy J

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From: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Camden `Snake-Oil' Parks)
Subject: Corrected boxscore: min04njn04.1nov92
Reply-To: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:27:59 GMT

Thanks to Erdmans@astro for pointing out that Sam Bowie had an unbelievably
high number of blocks (11!) for the game.  He actually had only 4: the Nets
*as a team* had 11.  Thanks much!

        Camden "Snake-Oil" Parks
        Reporter for the Sixers, temporarily (I hope!)
            covering the Nets and Knicks.
        parks@jbh.chem.brandeis.edu

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min 88, njn 84   12nov92

min ( 2- 2)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
laettner,christia 30   4   7   0  0   2  2   3  8   1  3  2  3  2  0  0  0   10
person,chuck      42   8  19   1  4   0  1   3 12   1  1  2  3  0  0  0  0   17
spencer,felton    28   2   8   0  0   4  5   5  8   0  5  0  3  2  0  0  0    8
west,doug         38  11  20   0  0   2  2   1  1   1  2  0  3  0  0  0  0   24
williams,micheal  35   4  17   0  1   3  3   1  5  14  2  4  2  0  0  0  0   11
longley,luc       19   2   8   0  0   2  2   1 11   2  3  0  2  4  0  0  0    6
bailey,thurl      22   4  10   0  0   1  1   1  4   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    9
smith,chris       13   1   2   0  0   0  0   0  2   0  0  0  2  0  0  0  0    2
glass,gerald      13   0   3   0  0   1  2   0  0   1  2  1  0  0  0  0  0    1
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min totals       240  36  94   1  5  15 18  15 51  20 19  9 18  8  0  0  0   88
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .383   .200   .833       team rebs  9

njn ( 1- 3)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
morris,chris      27   3  15   0  1   0  0   2  6   2  2  2  1  1  0  0  0    6
coleman,derrick   42   7  15   0  0   5  5   8 19   2  3  2  7  1  0  0  0   19
bowie,sam         32   7  13   0  0   0  0   4 12   1  2  0  1  4  0  0  0   14
petrovic,drazen   40  11  24   1  3   4  6   0  2   6  4  3  3  0  0  0  0   27
anderson,kenny    29   1  11   0  1   0  0   1  3   8  3  1  3  0  0  0  0    2
dudley,chris       9   1   3   0  0   0  0   2  3   0  0  0  1  2  0  0  0    2
robinson,rumeal   21   3   6   0  0   0  0   0  2   5  1  2  1  1  0  0  0    6
george,tate        6   0   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
mahorn,rick       10   0   1   0  0   0  0   1  5   0  2  1  1  1  0  0  0    0
addison,rafael    21   3   7   0  2   2  2   0  1   0  3  0  2  1  0  0  0    8
williams,jayson    3   0   1   0  0   0  0   0  2   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
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njn totals       240  36  97   1  7  11 13  18 55  24 20 11 20 11  0  0  0   84
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .371   .143   .846       team rebs  9

min   23  26  22  17  -   88
njn   18  19  26  21  -   84

attendance 14226, time 2:02, officials: KMauer,JForte,JCapers
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From: jlesgold@pangaea.earth.nwu.edu (Jacob Lesgold)
Subject: Re: Clippers 111 - Suns 107 (11/21/91)
Organization: Department of Geological Sciences, Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:28:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.200811.5959@reed.edu> terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight) writes:
>lac ( 5- 4)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
>norman,ken        11   0   1   0  0   0  0   -  2   0  2  0  1  0  0  0  0    0
>manning,danny     37   9  16   0  0   6  6   -  7   6  3  1  3  2  0  0  0   24
>roberts,stanley   10   4   6   0  0   0  2   -  3   0  5  0  1  1  0  0  0    8
>harper,ron        37   9  19   1  4   8 11   -  4   3  1  1  4  2  0  0  0   27
>jackson,mark      39   9  12   0  0   2  3   -  6   7  4  1  3  0  0  0  0   20
>vaught,loy        25   3   8   0  0   0  0   -  9   0  1  1  2  1  0  0  0    6
>williams,john     27   3  10   0  0   0  2   -  8   1  1  2  0  0  0  0  0    6
>vandeweghe,kiki   18   4  10   2  5   0  0   -  4   1  3  0  0  2  0  0  0   10
>grant,gary         6   0   4   0  0   0  0   -  1   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
>jackson,jaren     30   4   7   0  1   2  2   -  3   3  4  2  1  0  0  0  0   10

Is Elmore Spencer hurt, or just not playing?

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Where did the Shaq blasters go?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:04:52 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
[comments about Gugs deleted]

>	However, in his defense, he really hasn't been playing organized ball
>	for that long.. He was a walk on at NC-State..

	Actually, Gugliotta -- although it looks like he rose from the
	land of nowhere since his days at NC-state, was NOT a walk-on.  He
	was on an athletic scholarship when he played for the Pack.  He
	did pretty much nothing his freshman season (playing behind future
	pros Chucky Brown and Brian Howard), and then from his sophomore
	season on, he improved like crazy.  Gugliotta is the son of a coach --
	perhaps that's what might have been his connection to a scholarship
	w/ then coach Jim Valvano (the Italian blood couldn't have hurt
	either).

	Jazzy J
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From: erdmans@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Wham! With 2 Hands!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Veron Maxwell - How bad is he hurt???
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:26:55 EST

17nov92.

Veron Maxwell starts for Houston.  He only has 8 minutes and 3 points.
Uuugh!

I've been told that he twisted his ankle.  How bad is it?  Does anyone know?
Will he start his next game?

Please email me any relevant information!

Thank you and I appreciate it!

Scott Erdman

erdmans@astro.cs.hh.ab.com
erdmans@alf.pc.ab.com
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