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From: SYSTEMM@FRED.ALHRG.WPAFB.AF.MIL (System Manager Wuest)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: Re-training eyes
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:13:33 GMT


   This post is *related* to the on-going discussion of subject.

   About 10 years ago I read an article about shooting viv-a-vis the 
   "wrong" dominant eye.  While the subject _specifically_ addressed point
   shooting (as oppossed to aimed sighting, the current discussion), I have
   noticed the corrective effects have some transferrability.  That is, by
   doing the "corrective" excersises, not only has my point shooting improved
   (nay, is now *correct*), but it has also helped immensely with aimed 
   sighting as well.

   This may be a re-hash, but _one_ way to determine dominate eye is to point
   at an object with the finger of the dominate or shooting hand.  Then
   carefully, without moving the finger, see which eye is actually "sighted".
   There are other ways, but let's assume you know you have the problem that 
   the dominate eye is opposite the dominate side or desired shooting hand.

   The article described an "exercise" where you started off by _pointing_
   the finger at an object.  *Insure* that the correct (or desired "dominate")
   eye is used.   In other words "aim a little" ;-).   Repeat this countless 
   times, gradually diminshing the amount of actual aiming used, until a 
   natural pointing occurs without any aiming.  This may take k's of repetitions.
   I have pointed at numerous road signs, billboards, cows, etc, while driving.

   Also, I had a pellet trap in my bedroom and used to point shoot about 20
   BB's most every night before retiring.  Did that for several years...

   By gosh, it works!  I now point shoot like I was born that way.  I still
   normally close the left eye while doing aimed fire, but it really isn't 
   necessary.  This is a habit that took years to develop, and will take years
   to break.  Besides I don't make a concious effort to do so (probably should,
   tho).  I do *target aquisition* with both eyes open; just close the instant
   before shooting.  Since I generally hit what I want, keeping both eyes open
   during the whole process just doesn't seem to be a priority.
   
   Hope this helps and contributes to the discussion.  E-mail me for a more
   detailed explanation if you like.  We can even resort to telecom.  This is
   _much_harder_ to put into words than demonstrate, I assure you!  :-)

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| Disclaimer: Opinions are like ears; everybody has a couple - these are mine!|
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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Buying a weapon for a female (need help)
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:15:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <01GR6YDYGQIO005YKS@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU> apskato@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
#
#I am planning on getting a firearm as a gift for a female friend of mine and I
#have a Ruger SP101 on order, but the closer and closer that christmas the more
#nervous I get because the fraggin' thing hasn't shown up at my local retailer
#yet.  It's been on back order since August. (the 101 I ordered was the .357 with
#the 2" barrel).
# 
#Needless to say, Ruger is about to loose my business and I'm looking at
#alternatives now.

What you are looking for is insurance.  Go to the local largest gun
outlet around.  See what they have IN STOCK.  Buy it.

Make a list of priorities:  i.e. revolver over auto.  .357 over .32 or
9mm over .380 over .32 acp.  $300 over $500 ;-)

See what they have IN STOCK that hits most of your hot buttons.  Buy it.
If the SP101 come in in time for Christmas, you have a nice backup or
shooter gun.  If it doesn't, cancel the order ...


-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Bad tactical position ( was Psychology in Defense)
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:06:50 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <1992Nov10.104420.19488@michael.apple.com>, ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
[...]
# Remember that the person may not speak your language or hear at all.
# 
# One ofthe most telling things I ever participated in was a training
# excercise for police.  The setup for the film was that an armed and
# dangerous person call was recieved.  White male, mid 20's, long hair,
# near the RR tracks.  You cut to the scene of someone more or less fitting
# that description coming toward you accross the tracks.  The question is:
# When do you shoot him?  While he keeps comming 'you' (the cop in the 
# film...) order him to stop.  To stop and lay down.  He reaches behind
# his back into a back pocket.  You shout again for him to STOP AND PUT
# HIS HANDS UP!.  (At this point about 75% of the class has said 'bang',
# the signal that they would shoot at that point...).
# 
# Well, the 'perp' (at about 5 ft 'range' from you) whips out a card from
# his back pocket which states:  "Please forgive me, I am deaf and cannot
# understand what you are saying.  Can you write it down please?".
# 
# BTW, about 99.9% of the class had said 'bang' by the time the hand
# started comming up fast from behind the back ...
# 
# Right after that a radio call comes in that the A&D was just apprehended
# about 1 mile from you ...
# 
# I've never seen such a humbled group of people in my life ... 
# 
Which, I'm sure, was the intent of the film.

However, I see one really big flaw here --- even a deaf person can see
a gun and understands a shooting stance.  I could see his hands going
up real quick, but I can't see him acting as stated.

I've also heard a similar story:

    Scene: you see a woman in a torn  nightgown running across a 
lawn, screaming at the top of her lungs.  A man comes out of the 
house running after her, tackles her and begins to drag her back 
to the house.  You stop, order the man to release the woman and 
lie face down.  He refuses.  She's still screaming.  Suddenly, 
she breaks free and starts fleeing.  In spite of your orders to 
stop, the man pursues and is about to catch her again.  BANG!  

Congratulations, you just shot the husband of a woman suffering
a nervous breakdown -- and you've got a crazy woman running
around half naked (likely to become a victim, too).

The point being you will never know for sure until after the
smoke clears.

-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
gtephx!forda@enuucp.eas.asu.edu  OR  !uunet!samsung!romed!enuucp!gtephx!forda
From: tarl@lectroid.sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle Case
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:18:03 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <659@bongo.UUCP>, julian%bongo.UUCP@nosc.mil (Julian Macassey) writes:
# [...]
# 	So,  while visiting musician friends I noticed they had 
# these cool guitar shaped cases that fit an AR-15 with a few inches 
# to spare. So I bought a guitar case at my local guitar store. These 
# cost between $50-75 new. Less used with Van Halen stickers on them. 
# They need some surgery to remove the guitar neck supports etc. But they 
# make a damn fine case. Someone with some skill could add elastic grips 
# for spare mags etc and have a very nice setup.

This is getting almighty close to "concealed carry" (exactly your intent,
but unfortunatley not appreciated by lawmaking types in some areas).

If you live in one of these areas, be careful to not have ammo in the case.
It would be worthwhile taking the bolt out of the rifle and keeping it
somewhere else while carrying the rifle in the case - both would help prove
that the weapon wasn't live, which could help in defense against a charge of
illegal concealed carry.
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: International Gun Laws - Informational Posting
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:08:58 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <1992Nov17.114221.18465@email.tuwien.ac.at>
holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe)) writes:
#Note: From now on, I *WILL* cover US gun laws.  Just  don't  send
#me  the  special  regulations of each county, please.  Let's keep
#this on a state-or-above level.

I appreciate your generous offer but I don't think you know what you're
getting yourself into.  My Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms state
law listing is about 125 pages long.  Sure, it includes some county
stuff that you wouldn't be tracking but it seems like an impossible
task to me...

    don
From: jthst5+@pitt.edu (John T Haller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Home made hollow points
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:50:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


In article <RTARAZ.92Nov23125119@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
#
#I buy reloads for my 9mm and they are copper plated,  can I just drill
#a hole on the top and make them hollow points?

I think this can be answered with an emphatic 'NO!'.           

While I suppose you could carefully put the bullets in a vise and drill
out a hole, thus making them bullets with a hollow point, that does
not mean they will expand in tissue or otherwise act as hollowpoints.
Real hollowpoints contain a lot of high tech design, they are not just bullets
with a hole in them.  In addition, you can be sure that the lead cores of   
 
real HP's are softer than your bullets, meaning yours  really won't deform as
they should.
     In addition, should you have to shoot someone in self-defense and 
you live in an area where the DA is a liberal scum he may try to paint a        
portrait of you in front of the jurry as a blood-thirsty killer, quietly
sitting alone at night making his 'super killer bullets' rather
than just relying on factory ammo.
Don't do it.
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Answering the door at 11PM, without a gun. . .
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:46:07 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

# Assuming that a person does NOT possess a firearm, what it the best
# approach for dealing with a stranger at the door at 11PM?

If you DO posess a firearm, it's important that it not be seen until
(& unless) needed.  I've only recieved late nite door knocks at 
my home twice - it was the local PD each time (routine stuff like
"just thought you should know some kids drenched shaving cream on your
can and you may want to wash it off before it dries" or "Your 
car rolled out of the drieveway into the street".)  If I answered the
door gun-in-hand, the LEAST trouble I could expect is loss of the 
gun & license.  If I answered a late nite call unprotected, the worst
I could expect is violent death (p=very low, but not non-zero).

                                        rob b.
From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Military style .38 ammo misfires
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:15:12 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater


First, thanks to everyone for the useful comments on purchasing a used revolver.
Using this info I bought a .38 spec. revolver (S&W mod. 14 w/ 8 3/8 in. barrel)
at the last gun show.  My only problem has been several misfires with PMC "made
to military specs" (says the camo colored box) 132 gr. FMJ ammo.  All other
commercial (federal, umc) ammo functions reliably.  I have seen something like
this before--  A friend has some spanish .38 military ammo that misfires in
both of his revolvers (both S&W).

I have read that military ammo uses extra hard primers.  Could this
be the reason for the misfires, or is this just a coincidence?

This ammo usually fires after 2-3 hits.  Adjusting the trigger pull doesn't
help.  Is there anyway to fix this problem?

MORAL:  Try a test box or two before buying a case of 1,200 rounds.  My friend
still has a bunch of the spanish ammo left.  Sealed in PVC battle packs, it
looks good, but is kind of disappointing performance-wise.  At least it'll make
good empty brass to reload.

--- scott

kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu
Oklahoma State University
Cultural Center of the Universe.
From: mcdphx!systemname!gcall@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (Glen Call)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Bad tactical position ( was Psychology in Defense)
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:20:36 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group Marketing


In article <199211171656.AA28753@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com>, kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:
|> One more question on this one. If I do offer the bad guy an option
|> to leave and he does leave, what should I tell the cops after all
|> is over? Should I tell them the whole truth including that I've offered
|> the bad guy an option to leave?

Unless you're exposing yourself or loved ones to a clear and present danger, it
is best to let "the bad guy" leave.  Remember, you're in a defensive role. 
Anything else is likely to result in an indictment for homocide.

As to what you tell the cops - ASK YOUR LAWYER.  Few of the fine folks following
this group are practicing criminal lawyers.  If you do employ lethal force,
insist on legal counsel before discussing anything with anybody.  It's your
right.  They might not like it, but the good guys are entitled to the same
privileges as the bad guys.

Glen
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DISCLAIMER: The above is strictly my opinion.  I DO NOT SPEAK FOR MOTOROLA!
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle in Defense ( was Re: Why are there no reliable semi-auto shotguns? )
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:13:37 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <199211171713.AA28975@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com>, kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:
# In article <7624CA0F00001A29@UALR.EDU> hudson@ualr.edu writes:
# #...
# #BTW  They also have a choice in rifles of a Ruger Mini-14 or the Colt  AR15
# #(which would you choose?).
# 
# This is an interesting choice. I always wonder when would one pick his
# rifle for defense purpose, assuming he is a regular citizen and he has
# other choices like handguns and shotguns. ( Noting the plural nouns ;)
# 
# When I took an AR15 shooting class from a cop, he told me the regular
# stuff: I wish you would never have to use it for self-defense purpose.....
# I'm wondering if you guys can give me a scenario in which I might want to
# use a rifle instead of other weapons. Thanks.
# 
#  K. David Lin, Ph.D.              | E-mail: kdlin@advtech.uswest.com  

1. You are being fired upon by a guy at a distance of more than about
10 yards.  At this distance, either he has a long gun, and you will
want more accuracy than a handgun can give you.  If he is firing at
you from a distance of more than 50 yards, the rifle is more likely
to reliably hit your attacker.  (Yes, I will admit that this is a
very rare situation).

2. You are dealing with a riotous mob, working its way down the
street, burning out businesses or homes, and you lack a 40 round
shotgun.  (This, unfortunately, is NOT a very rare situation 
anymore).  The rifle also gives the opportunity to identify anyone
that appears to be ringleader or instigator of the mob.  It 
MAY, under some conditions, allow one to engage in more selective
actions than a handgun or shotgun, with respect to the sort of
wound inflicted.  With a handgun or shotgun, confronting such a
mob, the odds are high that you will have no choice but to 
risk giving a lethal injury.  With a rifle, you are still risking
lethal injury to the rioters, but with some care, you may be able
to inflict an injury on a limb.  This also has the potential to
kill, and the potential to maim, but may be an effective way of
discouraging the mob from continuing their actions at your home,
while minimizing loss of life.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
From: wb9idj@vpnet.chi.il.us (Douglas E. Drummond)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Sight picture and eyes
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:46:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: vpnet.1992Nov16.055334.12143
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access

David Post (davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com) wrote:
: I wonder what is going on with my eyes.
: 
: The past few trips to the range I have noticed the my dominant eye doesn't
: seem so dominant anymore.
: 
: I seem to focus on the handgun's front sight ok, but often there are two
: target images.  I don't exactly need to work to make sure I have the right
< stuff deleted> 
: David Post    davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post
:
I am not currently shooting but I have had a simular problem which has
affected my night driving.  The eptomitrist refered me to a opthamologist
who determined I had a slight cateract.  With contact lenses, I have been
able to improve my vision with the bad eye to 20/30, which suffices for my
aviation physical and in practice for night driving and flying.  There are
also new prescription eyedrops that narrow the pupil and also help with the 
double vision, etc.

SEE YOUR EYE DOCTOR !!!!

Doug Drummond: wb9idj@vpnet.chi.il.us
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Accidental Discharges
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:54 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <9211171851.AA04010@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>, weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (daniel weed 283-4162) writes:
# Woman walking out of crowded mall accidently drops her purse.  Gun inside
# purse fires, wounding said woman.  This made the evening news and fueled
# the ban-handguns fire, as firearms accidents tend to do.  The type of gun 
# was not mentioned, but the video showed what appeared to be one of those 
# inexpensive Davis semi-autos.
# 
# I don't know if the safety was on or not, and I don't know if the Davis 
# is prone to ADs: anyone on the net care to comment on the Davis' safety?  

Think of the Davis, Jennings, and related handguns as a liability
lawyer's best friend.  Guns & Ammo, whenever they cover these 
sleazy little chunks of pot metal, says not to carry them with a
round chambered.  Usually, they claim it's because the small 
internal parts of a small semiauto are more prone to wear, and
thus more likely to suffer a failure.  I think it's because they
know that guns produced by Davis, Jennings, etc., are garbage, and
if the safeties work, it's partly a matter of luck.  I have no
similar compunction about carrying an American Arms PPK copy
chambered, because it's made of decent materials, and it's a good
design (licensed from Erma Werke).

I've sold a Jennings 22 before, but only after the buyer promised
to only use for humanely dispatching captive rabbits -- it was too
crummy, and too unreliable for self-defense.

# Daniel Weed                             weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
We could say that Congress spends money like drunken sailors.  But that would
be unfair -- to the sailors.  They, at least, are spending their own money.
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT .380, Colt Mustang, or other?
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:08:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: optilink.13196
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <BxL892.42z@scylax.uucp>, scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET writes:
# cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes: (#)
# ## The Mustang is single action.  A museum piece.  Who wants to carry
# ## locked and cocked anymore?.
# 
# #Anyone who wants that first shot to hit the target, not an
# #innocent bystander.
# 
# Yeah right. That is if that stuck out hammer doesn't snag in your
# clothes.  Ever heard of safeties moving to the off position 

The Mustang has a knurled hammer, just for that reason.  I wouldn't
encourage carrying any handgun in a pocket, in any case.  Use a
real holster, or a fanny pack designed as a gun carrier.

# while the gun is being carried?.  You might end up nutless if you
# carry one of those museum pieces day in and day out.  

It depends on the safety.  The Mustang safety is plenty stiff.
But then again, I don't carry it cocked.

# #While I recognize the merits of the double action/single action
# #design, and a DA/SA pistol is probably safer than a SA pistol,
# #ESPECIALLY on a tiny gun, you need all the help you can get to
# #make that first shot hit the target.
# 
# A good trigger action takes care of that.  DA only guns have proved 
# you can shoot them as fast and accurately as you'll ever need.

That's why I said, "DA/SA."  It isn't the DA that is the problem,
but the transition from DA to SA, and that most of your practice
will be SA.

# #Also, I have found that I can cock the Mustang for the first
# #shot nearly as fast taking the safety off.
# 
# Any effort to attain dexterity will give better results when applied
# to the better design.  Not cocking a hammer is faster than cocking
# a hammer fast.

There are some merits to the Glock.  If told that I had to carry
one, I can think of worse guns to carry.  But I am not persuaded
that the Glock, or even a modern DA/SA pistol, has obsoleted
SA pistol designs.  Especially when you think about the accidents
that have resulted from the Glock's lack of external safety.
Now, with a little care, these sort of accidents won't happen to you,
but then again, with a little care, neither will auto accidents.
They still happen.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf