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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:20:37 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Dracula

JC,

Ok, I think I grasp the advantages of laserdisc and letterboxing, and I
follow, with less confidence, the intricate details of moving from 70mm
to 35mm.  Now another low-level consumer question: since I'm going to
invest in a laserdisc player, and I realize that letterboxing isn't very
impressive on a 19" screen, I'll have to upgrade my set.  Let's say I
need to keep my spending to under a $1000 for a new TV-- I want the
biggest viewing area with the best resolution possible for the least
amount of money (salespeople just love this kind of talk), would you
care to suggest any models?  I'm assuming that projection systems are
out for that price.  Are there any options other than CRT and large
screen projection?  I don't really need "home theater" rigs, because my
stereo has auxillary audio out.  All I really need is the screen, and
not necessarily with every gadget in the world.  This is more fun than
shopping for a car.


j-man
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:42:35 GMT
From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      More a Dog than a Turkey

How could I have forgotten "Final Analysis" ? Quite easily, actually.
Now, there's a movie that (to quote Spike Milligan) "left an indelible
blank in my memory, even as I was watching it". Let's see, Kim Basinger
looked beautiful, took her clothes off, didn't bump into the props,
no problem there. Was she even a little bit convincing as the cunning
seductress (a la Kathleen Turner in "Body Heat") ? I doooon't think so.

And then there was Richard Gere. His idea of expressing any emotion in this
movie was to shrug occasionaly, or if things got really hairy, to raise an
eyebrow. Of course, that smug look on his face was probably because of his
recent marriage to Cindy Crawford (Lucky Sod!!!). The ludicrous plot didn't
help either. The only good thing abou the movie was the delicate beauty of
Uma Thurman (sigh).

John Boorman wrote a much darker version of the movie but Richard Gere hated
it (It probably required a second facial expression). As the studio
wanted a Richard Gere movie far more than a John Boorman movie, the result
is a Cape_Fear wannabe.

John Smyth
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:58:00 PST
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Subject:      Holy Loch

Alex,
  I thought Holy Loch was decommissioned about two years ago; I remember
reading that the publicans in Dunoon were all worried about going
out of business.

Jim
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:22:57 -0500
From:         S1MBM@ISUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: SIX HANDKERCHIEFS

Lyle, I appreciated your post about Sophie's Choice.  Curiously, the first
time I saw the film I was not particularly moved, while the second time I
bawled as I have rarely done before or since.  My ethnic heritage is
partially Jewish, and I think about the Holocaust more and more--and find it
less easy to forget--as I grow older, so perhaps that had something to do
with my latter response.  Twas one of the most *cleansing* cries I've ever
had.  A beautiful film, methinks.

michael mcdonald
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:52:55 EST
From:         Scott Huddle <grass@CHAOS.ENTO.VT.EDU>
Subject:      George and Bob

Any thoughts that maybe George Bush is using Somalia to give his
good friend Bob Hope something to do for the Christmas holidays.
Surely, Brooke and all of _Brenda Starr_ fans will watch.

-scott
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Date: 14 Dec 92 15:27:39 GMT

Hi there,

I have been following the converstion on digital/analog and LD. Is the
confusion due to the fact LD has encoded composite video signal, which
is stored digitally; whereas true digital video means each video frame
is digitised and stored(which will need huge amount of storage space)?

Please don't flame me if I am totally wrong!!

Wils
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:58:00 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: This year's turkey awards

Jeff-

Your comment that the original story for Alien 3 wasy by Vicent Ward.

Actually, Alien3 when through several versions and rewrites.  It had
several problems before they started filming.  Hearing all this, I
wasn't not expecting another Aliens.  Topping Cameron's production
I did not think was possible.  But I wanted it to be at least an
OK movie.

What I find is a crime is that I have read's William Gibson's script
and they decided not to film that version, probably due to cost.
Gibson's script follows up on Cameron's suggestion that the aliens
are biogentically created, and continues with the company wanting to
get access to them for wafare.  Defintely a more interesting premise.

Alien3 - I did not learn anything more about the aliens, nor learned
more about Ripley's character.  Again, I thought it was a mean spirited
movie.

Carol Doms
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:45:57 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Jeff and Aliens3

I didn't know about the other scenes where
Ripley and Newt discuss pregnancy and such.
Sounds like it really could of added a lot
to a my limited understanding of Aliens3
(which obviously I did not care for)

Thanks for the info

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:00:45 EST
From:         Milton Johnson <LIBMILT@CML.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: a newcomer says hi

> Hello, fellow cinemaphiles!
>
> 2. Do you have a small spot in your hearts somewhere for the oldies-
> but-goodies/goldies? I am a b/w fan myself and am wondering if there
> are others out there.
>
> Ciao.
>
> Leah
> lkrevit@bite.db.uth.tmc.edu

    Leah,

    Hello and welcome.  I too am a fan of b/w films.  The romantic
comedies of the b/w era are among my all-time favorites.  I think
there's is more than a "small spot" in the hearts of the many
"cinemaphiles" on this list, they just don't let it show very often.


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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:39:19 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Dracula

JC,

Thanks for your informative discussion on letterboxing and aspect
ratios.  I agree, the problem is simply to adjust one's vision to a new
set of boundaries.  When I move to a larger set, I think it will become
less distracting.

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:29:17 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: turkeys

Joe,

About Hook: like many others, I enjoyed it until the film got to neverland,
then it became tiresome to me.  Yet I have a 4-year-old nephew who's seen
it again and again.  Right now he's in a pirates-in-general and Cpt.-Hook-
in-particular phase.  Hasn't really reached the dinosaurs yet....

While I'm at it, about the pregnancy discussion with Newt in Aliens: what
relevance this has to Alien3 is hard to figure... since the director's cut
of the former film wasn't yet available or only available in a limited way.
Doesn't mean that this addition can't make the third installment richer for
some viewers, but it's still a secondary consideration for most viewers who
weren't aware of it.

Jeff Clark
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:11:04 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Jeff and Alex and tears

The movie that has made me cry is a made-for-tv movie, _Brian's Song_.
Chokes me up just thinking about that movie.  A real tear jerker.

Carol Doms
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:43:41 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: great elevator scenes

A little-seen Tony Bill movie called FIVE CORNERS -- I think
Jodie Foster was in it -- featured scenes of Bronx teens riding
the *roofs* of high-rise elevators. I didn't see the whole thing --
Bill showed a rough cut of the elevator scene at a lecture, with
some different choices of music he'd been considering.

kjf-
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:47:00 EST
From:         EMC93@UNO.CC.GENESEO.EDU
Subject:      Re: great elevator scenes

What about the great elevator scene in Fatal Attraction or the classic elevator
scene in Child's Play?

Erin
SUNY Geneseo
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From:         Sandra Ballasch <CADSANTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: RE: SIX HANDKERCHIEFS

I missed the original message, but from the jist of the comments
on this subject I have seen so far, I think that my favorite
tear jerker _Young at Heart_ fits right in.  The entire movie is
designed to keep your hankerchief at the ready from start to
finish.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:31:16 EST
From:         Milton Johnson <LIBMILT@CML.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Toys

> THE CRYING GAME, however, got 4 stars across the board.
>     I'm planning on still checking out Toys, will definitely see
> The Crying Game. As for Forever Young, I never intended to see it.
>                                               Rolando


    Could someone please refresh my memory.  _The Crying Game_: who,
what, where, when?   I seem to remember hearing something about
it, but nothing specific.  Any information would be appreciated.
    Thanks in advance.


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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:21:36 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      L.A. Film Critics Awards

1992 Los Angeles Film Critics Awards

Best Picture - _Unforgiven_
Best Actor - Clint Eastwood, _Unforgiven_
Best Actress - Emma Thompson,  _Howard's End_
Best Supporting Actor - Gene Hackman, _Unforgiven_
Best Supporting Actress - Judy Davis, _Husbands and Wives_
Best Director - Clint Eastwood, _Unforgiven_
Best Screenplay - David Webb Peoples, _Unforgiven_


Bill Felty
University of Kentucky
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:42:07 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: This year's turkey awards

Carol,

I hadn't known about a script by William Gibson.  But it seems probable
that even if Vincent Ward's "story" followed, it wasn't derived from that
script.

I've read your other message to "you guys" and sympathize with your view
that it's a kind of betrayal of characters we've gotten to know.  Part of
me felt that way, which accounts for the initial disappointment which I
still feel to some extent.  But the other part looks at the film more
unencumbered by personal sentiment (I won't say unsentimentally, which
is more of a putdown and not the same thing), and wanting something
ambitious and different in the development of the alien theme's potential
--sees more merit in taking the project in this direction rather than
what probably would've emerged from Gibson's script.  But of course I say
this without knowing any details about his script.

Jeff
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From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Listserv info

Heather--

The listserv address is listserv@auvm.bitnet or
listserv@american.edu, depending whether you are on a
bitnet or internet system.  Hope this helps!!

Susan
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:56:15 CST
From:         Leah Krevit <lkrevit@BITE.DB.UTH.TMC.EDU>
Subject:      a newcomer says hi

Hello, fellow cinemaphiles!

I am new to the net, but have been lurking for some weeks now, catching
up on the latest in Po/Mo, Dracula reviews, and laserdisc recommendations.
This list is certainly esoteric and fun. I must ask two questions:

1. How do you guys afford all the new movies? I am forced to wait
for video. I will see something hot off the line occasionally, such
as _The Crying Game_, but usually must bide my financial time.

2. Do you have a small spot in your hearts somewhere for the oldies-
but-goodies/goldies? I am a b/w fan myself and am wondering if there
are others out there.

I have enjoyed your repartee immensely and plan to keep lurking; I
seem to have time to read but less to compose.

Ciao.

Leah
lkrevit@bite.db.uth.tmc.edu

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Subject:      Re: And so it is with a heavy heart, and a tear in either eye...

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

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Subject: RE: And so it is with a heavy heart, and a tear in either eye...

Liam:

So sorry to see you go.  I'll miss your sense of humor.  Best wishes.

Ellen
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:15:30 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: John and Grand Canyon

michael,

I have long admired Walker Percy's work, which I find provocative in the
best sense of the word, although I can't recall having read "The Loss of the
Creature."  Is it one of the essays included in "Message in the Bottle"?
I believe Walker would have liked Kasden's movie, flaws and all.  He
always tried to illuminate the essential material of life, without
losing his way in the minutia of everydayness.  If Kasden's reach
exceeded his grasp, as some critics believe, at least he was reaching
in the right direction.  And if the timbre of his distress was
pitched annoyingly high, that only indicates how difficult it is to
make oneself heard in the midst of so much ambient noise.

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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

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Subject: RE: Six handerchiefs

Jim:

Maybe we should do a diverse listing with headings like, The Good, The Bad, and
The Ugly.

Under The Good, I'd like to list Places in the Heart.

Ellen
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:06:23 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Alien 3, not a turkey but....

>I guess they wanted to make a darker film. It's dark , alright.
>The lighting throughout the film is so low, you could barely see
>what's going on....

Speaking of films that are insufficiently lighted--
Recently, I saw THE EFFICIENCY EXPERT, an Australian film starring
Anthony Hopkins.  It was a charming, small film along the lines of an
Eric Rohmer work.  But, man, was it ever dark.  There were interior
shots where you could barely see who was in the scene.
I don't think it was the print, but I can't be sure.
If anyone else has seen it, I'd be interested in knowing if
the print you saw was dark, and why they'd release it in that condition.

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From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Holy Loch

>
> Alex,
>   I thought Holy Loch was decommissioned about two years ago; I remember
> reading that the publicans in Dunoon were all worried about going
> out of business.
>
> Jim
===========================================================
You could be right - I've been here in Academe & am a bit out of touch, but
I seem to recall someone griping about being sent there just last year.
I'd better have another cup.
                                                        Alex
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From:         Don <DTANNER@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Internet Art

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Date:         Mon, 7 Dec 92
From:         Don <DTANNER@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU>
Subject:      Art on the Internet
To:           All interested Xwindows users


 A student art show will be available over the Internet via a
  Sun videopix board and Xwidows.  You are invited to log on and
  have a look.  Any comments are welcome, please send email to me
  at the above address - include a breif description of your hardware
  and software ---
When:
    Fri. Dec 11, Mon. Dec 14, and Tue. Dec 15 - 10:00am to 4:00pm PST
  instructions follow ---
          Don
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to view the video output do the following from your workstation:

your_machine% xhost + 130.65.200.45        (julia.sjsu.edu)
your_machine% telnet 130.65.200.45
login: video
(no password)

Enter DISPLAY IP number: [enter the ip address (not the name) of your
                          workstation here]
Enter Email Address:   : [enter your userid and machine name address
                          here]

at this point, a video window and then a control window will appear
on your screen.

        click in the "connect" button in the control window
                [new window appears]

        enter the ip address of the server, 130.65.200.45

        click on the "connect" button.  [window disappears]

        click on "color" in the control window to switch to color [optional]

        click on "preview" in the control window

at this point, the video input should be displayed in the video window.
only four clients are allowed at any one time.  if there are four
connected clients, you will not be able to connect.  this is a *very*
slow video board, so be patient.  when clicking on buttons, you may
have to hold the button down for a while before a sub-menu appears (if
you are experimenting with some of the other options.  try going into
the props menu and switch to the second video input, as we may have
two cameras connected.)

to exit from the program, type a control-c in your telnet-to-julia window.
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From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Six handerchiefs/Ballad of a Soldier

Jess,
  Be warned, _Ballad of a Soldier_ is a genuine 6 hanky movie.
I can only think of a few others; who can add more???  I'm
thinking of:  _Casablanca_; _Now, Voyager_; _An Affair to
Remember_; and more recently, _Let Him Have It_.

Jim
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