HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: The Selection Factor
Date: 31 Aug 1992 21:21:07 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>2. But what I'm more interested in is the claim oft made in this newsgroup
>that nudists tend to be a less leering crowd;  less concerned with the body
>beautiful;  that going to a nude resort is a less horny experience than
>going to the textile equivalent or whatever.  But it seems to me that you
>people are excluding the part of the population most likely to be "on the
>prowl"--namely singles and especially single men.  Then you are claiming that
>it is nudity which results in the more relaxed approach to the human body.
>
>I say that another possibility needs to be considered--that it is the careful
>selection of participants which results in the more relaxed approach, and that
>the nudism has little to do with it.

Careful selection is certainly a factor at private resorts.  It is not a
factor at public nude areas (beaches, hot springs, etc.).  Peer pressure
can be consider a factor also.  These factors are more important with 
regards to their effect on new users than on experienced nudists.  When
someone first enters a nudist environment they carry all their mental
and emotional baggage with them from the non-nudist world.  This obviously
affects their interpretation of the nudist environment and activities.

After experiencing nudity for a while and having a chance to dump your
non-nude baggage you then develope the more relaxed approach towards the
human body.  Some people are going to take longer than others and some
may have such deeply ingrained body image problems they may never be able
to shed them.  Overall though, if you have an open mind and aren't too
riddled with body hangups the nudist environment can be very enlightening.

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: zsalman@chess.engin.umich.edu (Zaid Kadhim Salman)
Subject: Re: Michigan CO
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:35:23 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: zsalman@chess.engin.umich.edu


Well, somebody needs to do something around here. Hash Bash and Coming-Out-Of-
The-Closet Week but no CO activities. Go figure.


			--Zaid
From: skip.ross%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Skip Ross) 
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: LONG ISLAND CO?
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: skip.ross%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Skip Ross) 

-> From: kellsworth@pbs.org (Col. Dennis Bloodnok, O.B.E.)

-> I'll be on Long Island (near Hauppauge) in a few weeks on business,
-> but I expect to have some time to myself.  Are there any CO beaches
-> or other facilities reasonably close to there?

Dennis, I am sure otehrs will answer you, but my favorite C/O beach is
right in the backyard of Hauppauge, Lighthouse Beach. It is right off of
Robert Moses State Park, and is a National Park Service facility. T he
crowds are often mixed nudists and costumed and always a well behaved
group. On a weekend you will find many many hundreds of people nude. My
one suggestions is if travelling there on a weekend, try to arrive
before 10am or so, as the parking lot fills up very fast. The directions
are as follows: (taken directly from The World Guide by Baxandall)

From NYC drive East on Long Island on the Southern State Parkway,
Sunrise Parkway, or Montauk Highway. At West Islip turn right (south)
on Sagtikos State Highway amd Robert Moses Causeway to Robert Moses
State Park. Drive Left (east) and park in Field 5. Hike east 1/2 hour to
Lighthouse Beach...

Now, for my own directions:
I take the Jones Beach road (Ocean Parkway) past Jones Beach, past Tobay
Beach, past Gilgo Beach to the Robert Moses Causeway and into Robert
Moses Beach east to lot 5. I then walk the exit road east through the
wooden barricades down the gravel road to the first path that leads to
the beah. You will enter into the C/O section (which is east of the
barber-stripe painted post)..

I usually hang out there on weekends and find it one of the most
peaceful beaches in the NY area!

        Skip Ross  ->RIME: ACC  ->UseNet: skip.ross%acc1bbs@ssr.com
                                                                                                   
From: Wayne.Silsbee@f223.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Wayne Silsbee)
Sender: postmaster@therose.pdx.com
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: COED WASHROOMS
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:22:00 -0700

In article <9854@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM
(Trevor German) writes:

 TG>     1. If its ok to walk around nude, bathe nude, swim nude, eat
 TG> nude   etc, how come the washrooms are seperate.

Uh huh. Good question. And here's an even more odd scenario.

We have two landed clubs in the area. Both clubs have separate wash rooms
similar to what you have described.

However, when these same two clubs host nude swims at a local health club
during the winter, no one pays attention to the Men and Women signs on the
doors -- folks just use the one that strikes their fancy.

Go figure.

Wayne
silsbee@f223.n105.z1.fidonet.org
From: silberman@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (ATR, PUBLICATIONS, NSSDC, CODE 633.1, 301-286-9281)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Transportation Wanted to AVAlon
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:43:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Is there anyone who lives in the Washington D.C. area who belongs to 
Avalon and could give me a lift? If so, please E-mail me. I don't 
drive. Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer)
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:31:22 GMT

In article <9854@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:
>
>	1. If its ok to walk around nude, bathe nude, swim nude, eat nude
>		etc, how come the washrooms are seperate.

For privacy in personal acts?

>	2. How come the staff, like bartenders wore clothes.

Maybe something to do with health codes?  


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\  /  David Archer
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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Interesting (?) opinion : )
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:39:22 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA

mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michel Fougeres) writes:
>>From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
>>	You've misinterpreted the situation.  The people on the rocks 
>>*didn't* *care* *who* *was* *looking* and the poor neurotic boors across
>>the way were expending their energy looking.  I certainly don't invite 
>They make a point of disregarding
>the instructions (which in fact are the French LAW) and they take off
>all their clothes WHILE passing through the narrow channel, to make sure
>that the oggling crowds DO see them naked. 

Well, I'm laughing at this whole fucking mess. :)

Michel, I am guessing (the same technique you employed) that
you have some French ancestry. Shall I extrapolate from
this that all French attribute the actions of a few
to the whole group? (Like you did.)

You make it sound like EVERY LAST PERSON at Agde fits 
your generalization. Get a grip and a half, bud!

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: kellsworth@pbs.org (Col. Dennis Bloodnok, O.B.E.)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Long Island CO?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:32:40 EDT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

I'll be on Long Island (near Hauppauge) in a few weeks on business,
but I expect to have some time to myself.  Are there any CO beaches
or other facilities reasonably close to there?


Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cliffg@gjetor.geac.com (Cliff Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Vulnerability et cetera
Organization: Geac Canada Ltd.
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.190126.733@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
                      picl27@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu writes:

>What percentage of women do YOU think are raped by the time they
>graduate college?  Last I heard it was approximately one in four.
>that is a hell of a lot isn't it?

   It is, if and ONLY if that figure happens to be accurate.  I would
first ask you where you "heard" that figure.  Then, how was the survey
conducted?  And so on.  I have no intention of arguing how many or
what percentage with you.  I'M not an expert and besides this isn't
the forum.  My point is that BEFORE making sweeping generalizations
about ANY group to ask yourself 1 or 2 things.  First, is it an
accurate comment?  And second, is it fair?

>Have you ever sat down and listened to the story of a friend who has
>been raped? (and not one of these panelists on the radio or
>something, but someone that you care about?)

   Actually, yes.  I have known 2 or 3 women that were sexually
assaulted.  I also know some that were in abusive relationships.  But
that is entirely beside the point.  What I am talking about is not
rape per se.  I am talking about statements that should come under
the realm of "fair comment".  In my opinion the words "rape is
prevalent" do not.

>I just think a little more understanding of a problem that
>you have VERY LITTLE chance of ever having to deal with would
>do the whole world a bit of good....
>ande

   One last question.  I assume you haven't been raped either.  Do
you think you understand or care about the problem any more than the
next man?

   Good luck,
         Cliff
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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: first time
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:00:35 GMT
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Aug26.213553.14455@spdc.ti.com>, aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver) writes:
|> I was impressed with how pretty and well kept this place was.

|> We were having a good time until this one guy started coming by.  He
|> would walk by a few feet in front of us just staring.  He wasn't even nude.

|> 	I'm sure that it won't be too long before we go there or somewhere
|> else again.  I'd like to go to a nude resort sometime.  I think that a lot
|> of the things that bothered me at Hippie Hollow wouldn't even be present at
|> a real resort or club. 

We've recently noticed much the same thing about our beach here at Meech
Lake.

Lynn and I like to think of ourselves as naturists - wear what's
comfortable, relate to nature, etc. When we lived on the west coast,
beaches and wilderness were where we went nude. Moving out here, that
changed. We had one beach that we could go to, but mostly we found we
had to do the club thing.

We've been to some very pretty clubs. Nice people. Clean. Facilities.
At the same time, the beach has been deteriorating. We were up there
this last weekend. The stream (literally) of guys going in was enough 
to make even me shake my head. There were two women at the beach. The 
beach was clean, but the bushes had garbage and broken glass. The gay 
section had beer cans strewn about. A number of beer swilling slobs 
wandered through a couple of times.

I don't know. Perhaps we have changed, been spoiled by the clubs.
I'm sure not all beaches are like that, but we are seriously
discussing the possibility of not returning to this one.. It's not 
worth it.

|> I said, "might as well get some sun"
|> and off came the shorts.  About that time, everyone stood up and pointed at
|> my erection (only kidding :).  

8-)

Glad to hear your first experience was enjoyable.

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Glen Martin              Bell-Northern Research          Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: TNS,NAC
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:50:49 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1457200029@igc.apc.org> naturist@igc.apc.org (Pat O'Brien) writes:
>	Thanks. Any time we can be of assistance, please let us know.

	Do you still cancel memberships if you hear rumors about people,
or do you now wait for a conviction, or at least the trial?



Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Keeping men out
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 16:22:46 GMT

In article <17u426INN2ni@network.ucsd.edu>, middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug31.170804.8379@bmerh85.bnr.ca> glenm@bnr.ca writes:
|> >The club owners who have these policies are trying to fight a very
|> >real problem: For some reason (which isn't itself important), many
|> >women are uncomfortable around a predominance of men. It is felt by
|> >these owners, and perhaps many of their members, that the only way
|> >to get women to participate is to keep the (numbers of) male
|> >members down. 8-)
|> 
|> It is unfortunate more clubs don't take a more active role in increasing
|> female participation rather then decreasing male participation.  Perhaps
|> they could advertise in womens magazines, get women who enjoy the experience
|> to write about it.  Maybe we should post an invitation in soc.women to
|> read and join rec.nude!

Hear! Hear!

|> An interesting point here.  The nudist women I have talked to don't seem to
|> be bothered by being around a bunch of men and few women.  Perhaps they
|> enjoy the extra attention. :-)  The group that seems to be most bothered
|> by it is the group of male partners of females.  From my meager experience,
|> observation, reading, and discussion it is invariably the male who says "I
|> don't like all these single men around my women".  This could be another
|> factor in the discrimination against single males at clubs that are dominated
|> by couples.

Very intertesting. The few club owners I have asked about their
policies say it's because the women are uncomfortable, but will
not admit to ever having had any problem ... You may have hit
the nail on the head. I never would have thought of that.

It would be interesting to do a more complete survey of club
owners - both those that have some restiction against single
males, and those who don't.

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Glen Martin              Bell-Northern Research          Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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From: lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:33:37 GMT
Subject: Re: US Nationals
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

In rec.sport.swimming, redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:

> Hi,
> Does anyone have results of the US National Swimming Champs that they'd
> mail me? I caught 1 or 2 results in the papers here but missed most.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Judge Raz

Please post the results.  Thanks.

l\
From: sispas@lsil.com (Steve Ispas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: 100 free records request
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:10:31 GMT
Reply-To: sispas@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Does anybody have the list of the history of world records in the 100m free style?  I know the present record is 48.02 (I think - held by Matt Biondi), but it would be great to have the list of all records with the time, date and athlete (possibly location).  As much as I remember the record used to be 49.99, 49.36, 48.95, etc.  Also I heard that Johnny Weissmuller (played Tarzan quite a while ago) was the first one to break
the minute. If anyone has a list dating that far back, it would be great!  Being a swimmer myself (my personal best is only 1:06.7) it would be interesting how much I would have to go back in time to hold the world record. (probably milleniums). Thanks.
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From: rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: 100 free records request
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:04:19 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1992Aug28.171031.19671@lsil.com> sispas@lsil.com (Steve Ispas) writes:

>Does anybody have the list of the history of world records in the 100m free
>style?  I know the present record is 48.02 (I think - held by Matt Biondi),
>but it would be great to have the list of all records with the time, date
>and athlete (possibly location).  As much as I remember the record used to
>be 49.99, 49.36, 48.95, etc.  Also I heard that Johnny Weissmuller (played
>Tarzan quite a while ago) was the first one to break the minute. If anyone
>has a list dating that far back, it would be great!  Being a swimmer myself
>(my personal best is only 1:06.7) it would be interesting how much I would
>have to go back in time to hold the world record. (probably milleniums).
>Thanks.

This isn't exactly what you asked for, but I thought that you might find
it interesting.  It is the progression of men's records for the 100 YARD free
from 1897-1949:

Year  Time    Name

1897  60.0    J. H. Derbyshire
1902  60.0    Fredk. C. V. Lane
1902  58.6    Richmond Cavill
1902  59.6    Lane
1903  58.8    Cavill
1904  58.0    ""
1904  57.6    Cecil Healy
1906  57.6    Chas. M. Daniels
1906  56.0    ""
1907  55.4    ""
1910  54.8    ""
1913  54.6    Duke Kahanamoku
1914  54.6    ""
1915  53.8    ""
1915  53.2    ""
1917  53.0    ""
1921  53.0    Pua Kealoha
1922  52.6    John Weismuller
1924  52.4    ""
1925  52.2    ""
1925  52.0    ""
1927  51.0    ""
1936  51.0    Peter Fick
1942  51.0    Howard Johnson
1942  51.0    Wm. Prew
1942  51.0    Alan Ford
1943  50.7    ""
1943  50.6    ""
1944  50.1    ""
1944  49.7    ""
1944  49.7    ""
1945  49.4*   ""

* This was an American 20-yard course record, not recognized by the
International Amateur Swimming Federation.

The men's 100 meter free record at that time was 55.4, set by Alan Ford in
1948 in a 25 meter pool.

There is no progression given for women's records, but the 100 yard record
at that time was 58.2 (supposedly in a 25 meter pool) by Greta Andersen
of Denmark; the 100 meter record was 1:04.6 (in a 25m pool) by Wilm
DenOuden of Holland, set in 1936.

The above is taken from "The All-Sports Record Book" by Frank G. Menke,
copyright 1950.  There is a copyright notice restricting reproduction,
but it doesn't say anything about electronic reproduction.

I found the book in a used bookstore a few years ago.

-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: smith@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au
Subject: Re: 100 free records request
Organization: External Studies, Murdoch University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 02:55:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.171031.19671@lsil.com> sispas@lsil.com (Steve Ispas)
writes:
>Does anybody have the list of the history of world records in the 100m free
style? 


I have a printout at home which I could post on the group for you.

Maybe tomorrow?

Scott
From: jwd@redwood.ced.berkeley.edu (John Wilbrand Dahlgren)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Open water swimming - strategy
Date: 2 Sep 1992 22:20:05 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: redwood.ced.berkeley.edu

Jpeters@convex.COM (James Peters) writes:
        "real men don't wear rubber nor draft"

I don't mean to start a flame war, but..
drafting has been part of competitive swimming probably since
its inception. For examples look at the lane positioning in
any pool race. Drafting is also a fine tradition in bicycling
and sailing, (not to mention many other sports) It is part of
the strategy involved in a sport, just like pacing oneself or
planning a breakaway. Without interaction with the other
competitors one might as well compete on a treadmill.

Jack Dahlgren
jwd@ced.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: Robert.Holton@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Holton)
Subject: FAST program to get in shape
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:19:51 GMT

I'm almost embarrased to write about this, but what the hell!

I'm in a team 'novice' triathlon on the 12th of this month. I'm on the
swimming leg, which is just 10 lengths. I used to be a reasonable swimmer,
1500m in just over 20mins, but gave it up and started to row instead. I
haven't swum for over a year now, and the last time I did I felt a bit
awkward as if I had all the wrong muscles, if you see what I mean. I'm
fitter and stronger than I was when I was swimming regularly, so I hope to
be able to do a good time (I swam for fun, but row competitively).

So my questions:

1) What would be a good time for 10 lengths of a 25m pool?

2) How does this sound for a training plan? Next four days go for over
distance work, getting used to swimming again (maybe a km a day?) then two
days concentrate on speed work, intervals etc, day's rest then compete.

I know I've left it pretty late, but I am fit (training for rowing is 3+
hours a day, but the season's over right now so I don't have to do both
sorts of training at the same time!) and was a reasonable swimmer to start
with.

The event seems so easy I'm tempted to do the whole thing myself though -
10 lengths of a pool, 9 mile cycle and 3 mile run: wee buns!

Thanks for any help

	Bobbie
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From: schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Covert Bailey: Kook or Quack?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 21:00:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Santa Clara Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsceo.scd.hp.com

brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
> Covert dismisses swimming as a viable exercise,
> because he claims that you can't lose fat
> swimming. His reason is that you don't see
> skinny whales (yes! really!) but you do
> see skinny marathon runners (cross country skiers, etc.)
> so swimming just isn't worthwhile.

I saw his lecture on the tube and he added a few conditions to the
above.  He was speaking to the general population that is already
overweight.  He claims that you need to use big muscles (essentially
the quads and other leg muscles) to lose fat quickly (not weight!).
Since swimming uses mostly the upper body he claims it is less
effective.  But if you are already in good condition he highly
recommends adding swimming to your regimen.

Also, remember that Covert speaks to the average person.  Highly
conditioned Olympic athletes are a different breed.  If you do
anything long enough with enough intensity, you will lose fat and
get in great condition.  (He had an anecdote about the "father" of
aerobics who couldn't believe that racquet ball could get anyone in
good cardiovascular shape but was proven wrong by someone who played
a LOT of racquet ball.)

> He also claims you can't sweat in the water.

Hmm.  I'd like to hear more on this.
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