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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Computers In Ufo
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:56:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > Why would you assume it would be very advanced??
 > We humans create computers to make up for the short-comings of our own
 > brains (ie. we don't do math very well in our heads), a race that builds
 > UFOs like we have seen so far may not require computers at all.  This
 > also
 > may explain why the greys consider us fitting for use as laboratory
 > rats.
 > They may not see us as inteligent life at all.  Little more than insects
 > scurrying to and fro on our mindless tasks.

You don't give yourself any credit for being even slightly important.  Nor, do 
you allow for the possibility of anything other than extraterrestrials as the 
answer to the UFO problem.

Consider the possibility that the abduction scenario might not be what the 
abductees perceive it to be at all.

Mike

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From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III)
Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <--
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 04:31:52 GMT



You read in the Enquirer? Well, it must be true, that's as fine a
source of info. as one is likely to find....

Where's my can of Raid?
From: chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Siriusly....
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:48:35 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


 
In article <chameleo.07hv@amiganet.chi.il.us>, chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us
(Nick Molinari) writes...
>>Any opinions on the book "The Sirius Mystery" by R.K. Temple????
> 
 
>Yes, it's rubbish. Nothing the Dogon people knew about was unknown to mankind
>at the time they were anthropologically investigated. In fact, there's some
>evidence of bad astronomical data being passed to them, data which has since
>been proven wrong.
>-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
 
 
Hmmmmmmm....
Not the way i heard it.....
Got any references????
 
They knew that sirius b was a small and heavy star
, that it revolved around Sirius A every fifty years in an elliptical
orbit ,and that it rotates on it's axis....
 
So how could men with no instruments at their disposal could know the
movements and certain characteristics of stars which are totally invisible
to the naked eye????
 
What is this BAD ASTRONOMICAL DATA of which you speak???
 
 
 
 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR STINKINESS TO YOURSELF?????
R.H.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Siriusly....
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:41:02 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <chameleo.07hv@amiganet.chi.il.us>, chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari) writes...
>Any opinions on the book "The Sirius Mystery" by R.K. Temple????
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR STINKINESS TO YOURSELF?????
>R.H.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes, it's rubbish. Nothing the Dogon people knew about was unknown to mankind
at the time they were anthropologically investigated. In fact, there's some
evidence of bad astronomical data being passed to them, data which has since
been proven wrong.
-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
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From: plowenstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Mysterious Happening
Organization: Clark University
Date: 12 SEP 92 21:12:57 GMT

funky story
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From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: INVASION!!!
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:30:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: THE ENTIRE CITY OF LOS ANGELES IS UNDER INVASION!!!
Keywords: aliens, clones, invasion, stollman



I just got back from the Social Security Office here, and I was given the
runaround by some woman who I am CONVINCED was not whoever she was
pretending to be.  ALSO, the restaurants here and the hotels have been
taken over, because of the types of things that have happened to my sister
when she was staying at a hotel here.  This message is now going VERY slow
across my computer screen, which also shows how deeply the involvement of
this is.  ALL of Pacific Bell is involved, and ATT as well!  Tell your
friends, tell your neighbors, get ready to fight for your lives!!

When I call this system, there is a pinging noise in place of the click
when netcom answers.  Pacific Bell was just "working" on ALL their lines
the other day!  This is not new to ME.  I have been living this nightmare
for 10 years!!!


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:35:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Ruins of the 30,000 Year Old City. Part 5.
  I was also told by R. where there were two tunnels just about 40 yards off 
the trail. They were within view and around some rocks within looking 
distance of the head statues. These tunnels are 6 by 8 foot tall. He said 
they were very dark inside and he didn't go far inside of them. Other 
tunnels he had gone hundred of feet inside. 
  We saw some other structures that looked like a Big Foot (Sasquatch Head). 
It was very large also and one of these structures had an openning in the 
back of the head that you could go inside. It led into a large room that was 
hollowed out inside the head.
  A lot of this city is under water between Malibu and the Channel Island. R. 
said that on a clear day the city could be made out or seen from the very 
highest point that we looked off of. On the day we were there the sun and 
haze obscured our view a little bit.
  R. has noticed quite a bit of strange phenomena in the area. On one 
expedition to this mystic mountain area, it seems that they (the spirits) 
are always observing as us. I have strong feeling that this area was used as 
a landing base for star ships in ancient times. There are pronounced 
markings on the cliffs that look like flying discs. Often while on these 
treks, both my expedition travellers and myself have witnessed first-hand  
UFO activity in the nearbny sky. On three  separate trips, the UFOs beamed 
bright ligthts on us. I must admit it was quite an array and unlike anything 
that I or my fellow adventurers had ever seen before. tT consistent comment 
I seem to hear from these very credible witnesses is, "Hey, did you see 
that"?
  Some of the most far out statement by R. was that it may be just a rumor or 
it may be a fact that there are tunnels big enough to navigate submarine in 
that start out near the Channel Islands. One of them is said to go all the 
way to Arizona. Now I'll admit I don't know how that could be possible 
(maybe part of the tunnel is above the water line).
  R. once said that the sightings of UFOs don't happen according to any 
timetable although most often the "sky dancers" as we call them, appear at 
night around midnight. I can still remember one sighting on a clear and 
beautiful Sunday afternoon. It was incredible. The most popular time is 
during spring, because of the beautiful variety of wild flowers in bloom. 
Frankly, each season has its special value and many people like to go at 
different seasons to get the full effect of the ambiance and the variety of 
cloud formatioins especially in Winter. Sunsets at anytime are extremely 
spirtitual, especially with the back drop of a 30,000 year old ancient city 
and UFO base. Who knows, maybe one day they'll land, join us and share some 
of their knowledge of the area.
End Part 5. John Winston.
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:53:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <7269.716314244@bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) writes...
>I saw that sightings show last night on television and found it rather
>interesting.  One things I thought about (long after the show was over)
>was how could these aliens exist.  Being somewhat of a pagan, I believe
>in the theory of evolution.
> 
>My point is, if the world began development at the same instant (the Big
>Bang as scientists are still trying to prove), how can one species be
>so much more developed than another?  If a UFO can be sighted, not visible
>by radar, and literally DEFY all of the laws of physics here on Earth,
>were the evolution conditions so terrible that evolved into some other
>species of LESSER intellect?

Mr. Linder,
  Actually all worlds didn't begin their development at the same instant following
the Big Bang. After the initial event their was a period of time when things were
just too hot for matter to exist and what we now call 'normal' space didn't exist.
After much time the first elements to come into being as the Universe cooled were
the light elements which composed the early stars. As stars of different sizes and
temperatures would burn their fuel at different rates they would also die at different
times. Still, however, no planets yet existed. Some of these stars would, upon their
deaths, go nova and it is in these conditions of a stellar nova that the heavy elements
which compose the planets and ourselves were created and thrown out into space. It
would take a disruption in the gas field in space for these clouds of material to start
to come together to form other stars and their accompaning planets. On some of these
the conditions for some form of life to develop would be right and the process of
evolution would begin. This is why the potential for the existance of life at varying
degrees of development and/or progress occurs. This process of stellar evolution is
still going on today. As Carl Sagan says, " we are made of starstuff".
  I hope this helps.
> 
> Paragraph deleted.
> 
>So, UFO's speak for themselves.  UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT.  Whether
>it is from outer space, the fourth dimension, or a tennis ball flying
>through the sky this question will never be answered NOR proven to
>me until one lands in my front yard, knocks on my door, and takes me
>for a ride.....
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:09:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Garrett: I read you post and am willing to let you know whatever
you would like to know.
John Winston.
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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Summary: Some more terrifying happenings to tell you...
Keywords: aliens,clones,invasion,stollman
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <_csng1a.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes...
> 
>Well, I just found out something from Joan today that happened while she
>was visiting her niece in San Bernadino a few months ago.  It turns out
>that there was a store a few blocks away from her niece's apartment, which
>had two phones where she called me from at my dad's store.  She said when
>she called the store, the phone next to her started ringing, just like I
>have had happen to me when I called her and our pharmacy from other
>places.  The only difference is that when she came back to call me the
>next day, the place was GONE!!  All boarded up and the two pay phones were
>ripped out of the wall!!  She said there was NOTHING to indicate that the
>place was going out of business, but it doesn't surprise me in the least,
>cause that is part of what has been happening around me these last ten
>years.  

Maybe this is the clone of Joan, the heir of the vasaline fortune.
Or maybe she got the wrong store.
Or maybe we are out to get you!!!!!!


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From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III)
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:56:55 GMT


With all due respect John, why do you insist on posting these articles
repetatively. I've seen numerous reposts of the same story time and
again.

Also, one feels as if there is a group of people sitting around
a table discussing a given topic while you sit in the corner
and talk aloud about something entirely unrelated and do so as
if the group is '
er..'in' on your story. Personally, I have'nt a clue as to who
some of these people are, what you are talking about, etc.

"...Jet planes that rich people own..." - no comment.

I do wish this group would stay on topic and supervise themselves
in a sane, thoughtful fashion.

Jim
From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien appearance and Christs return
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:09:31 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab

In article <1992Sep7.000650.17851@nmsu.edu>, rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) writes:
> 
> With all the recent sightings of the 'virgin' Mary, and a growing
> number of people starting to believe that 'Christ' may be returning
> soon.. could this tie into the supposed alien appearances that 
> may start happening in the mid-to-late 90's??
> 


Well, it sures shows the same old thing once again: hysteria leads
to more hysteria, which leads to even more hysteria....

> Maybe these little guys know of the christian religion and can use
> an advanced for of holigraphy to display these 'images' of Mary.
> With this, they can attempt to capture the 'Christ' image for themselves,
> and use it to help in their initial contact.
> 


Now that would work ok for Xtians, but why, by jove, don't they do the same
in Islamic countries or Buddhist ones ?


> It's been proposed that 'Christ' was actually an alien before, why not
> in his second comming??


No, There is no Second coming of Christ. A clone will be sent instead.


JM.
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: re: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Ac
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:56:22 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Jrg Lhn writes:
> You're right. The Stealth Fighter is much older than everyone would believe.
> It also contains alien technology.
> 
> If you're interested in, I've got some information on the aliens, transferred
> by several BBS's from Amerika to Germany. I plan to spread it by BBS, 'cause
> USENET is the best way for this.
> 
> greets Joerg
> ## net_sh v1.4 (sb)
> SYSTEM-MSG: Alien user detected, switching to defence-mode


Get a f***ing clue.  Just because you are too stupid to understand engineering
principles more advanced than the lever doesn't mean the United States Military
(as much as I despise them) needs ALIENS to build a Stealth fighter.

This stuff really pisses me off.  Any major human engineering advance
throughout history is always dismissed as being built by ALIENS.  The Pyramids,
the Incan monuments, all the way to the Stealth fighter... Come on.  Give the
HUMAN engineers some credit!  Just because YOU can't comprehend twentieth
century technology doesn't mean ALIENS are involved in it.


--
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aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
Stealth Sig#42 |  --From "N-Man #3"
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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Brainwashing
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:46:23 GMT

In article <Bu1vsA.H77@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> murraysd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen D Murray) writes:
>Does anyone have any info on Brainwashing? Anything at all much appreciated.
>I am particularly interested in Neuro-linguistics and the conversion tactics
>of cults/revivalist churches (as reported in articles) , and how to stop it.
> However, any info at all is most welcome.

Not to deny that brainwashing happens since it obviously does but...
What in the world is neuro-linguistics? This sounds like something from
those stupid subliminal message tapes :-)
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From: SML108@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: U.N. may offer answers to outer space messages
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:29:03 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


                     or
Hey maybe that Don Allen guy is on to something :-)....

by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92

UNITED NATIONS--After more than 30 years of listening to radio waves from
outer space for greetings from an alien civilization, scientists are
planning to turn to the United Nations for guidance on how to answer.
  Dozens of times, scientists have picked up radio waves matching the
expected signature of a message from space.  But these have not been
confirmed as genuine contacts because they were fleeting and unverifiable.
  With new NASA equipment joining the search next month, radio astronomers
believe they will ultimately be able to confirm that a future transmission
is a sign from a distant planet.
  Radio astronomers and engineers involved in the Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence, commonly called SETI, this month began consulting with their
colleagues in all scientific disciplines for suggestions on what the reply
to aliens should be.
  After sifting and winnowing their own ideas, the scientists plan to seek
a decision from the U.N. General Assembly's Committee on the Peaceful Uses
of Outer Space.
  "The basic thinking all along is that this decision ought to be put into
the hands of the United Nations," said John Billingham, head of the SETI
project at NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif.
  In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide,
one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf
of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according
to scientists familiar with the document.
  "We have always considered this not just a U.S. question, but an
international question." Billingham said.  "Everybody, in some way or
another, should be involved in it."  [
  Officials at the U.S. State Department, speaking on condition of
anonymity, say they are leaving this initiative to the scientists.
  The space scientists plan to refine their ideas at international
meetings in April and October 1993.
  The 53-nation Committee of the Peaceful Uses of Outer Sapce has in the
past drafted five intermational treaties on the peaceful uses of outer
space, and three internationally accepted declarations of legal
principles.
  The scientists would have to find a sponsor nationa to bring their ideas
before the U.N. committee.  Then, Billingham said, the committee could
accept wide-ranging testimony from scientists, historians, philosophers
and political delegates to shape Earth's reply to a message from
another planet.
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From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Meeting of the Minds
Originator: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:36:44 GMT

I heard a strange story, which I hope someone on alt.alien.visitors
will elaborate on or debunk:

I heard that a couple of years ago entertainer Steve Allen was a guest
on the Michael Jackson radio talk show. During that interview Allen
stated that he has a friend, let's say X, whom Allen trusts and
respects, but whose name Allen felt he could not reveal. X confided in
Allen that X had in the 1960s been at a small social gathering in the
home of film director Vincente Minelli. Ronald and Nancy Reagan (this
was before R. Reagan had become California governor) were to attend
the gathering, but the ordinarily punctual couple showed up several
hours late.  According to X, the Reagans claimed that the reason they
were late was that they had been abducted by space aliens.

-- Brad Pierce --
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory?
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:51:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) writes:
	My point is, if the world began development at the same
	instant (the Big Bang as scientists are still trying to
	prove), how can one species be so much more developed than
	another?

... if the big-bang and associated planet formation theories are
followed, there is plenty of room for alternate "start-times" for
different societies.  Since the distribution of matter in the
universe is non-uniform, different stars will


   There is also a certain amount of cultural effect on technological
progress.  Some cultures invent and assimilate new technology faster
than others.  In a lot of ways, Europe and North America's historic
technogical lead is not from being particularly smarter or better than
other cultures, but its competitive nature led it to exploit new
technologies much more quickly.  (For instance, the Chinese invented
gunpowder, but the Europeans were the ones to exploit it to great
advantage.)  So at another level, your "same time means same
development" argument is incorrect, since we see examples of cultures
at differing levels of technical progress, but human beings as a group
all come from a the same evolutionary process.
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