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From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: London conference proceedings
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:17:31 GMT

                London, UK Conference Proceedings available
                -------------------------------------------
    
Printed proceedings of the HP handheld users' Anniversary Conference held in
September 1992 are available.  Approximately 170 pages, this bound document
contains technical papers prepared by speakers of this two day event, focusing
on the HP48, HP95, and related technologies (with some excellent information 
on the history of computing and a detailed list of all HP handhelds to date).
A disk of HP48 and HP95 files and programs is included.
Send $18 check or money order (includes postage) payable to:
                    Jack Stout
                    1946 N. 18th Ave.
                    Melrose Park, IL 60160
                    Telephone (708) 455-1010 days (work)
This is only for addresses in the USA and Canada.  Other users should contact
the British club:   Wlodek Mier-Jedrzejowicz
                    42, Heathfield Road
                    London W3 8EJ
                    England
                    Email (Internet): mier@spva.physics.imperial.ac.uk
            
Also available are full videotapes of the conference, about 13 hours length,
almost as good as being there.  Contact for availability:
                    Jake Schwartz
                    135 Saxby Terrace
                    Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
                    (609) 751-1310 home
                    Email: Jake-S@cup.portal.com

-- 
-- Brian Walsh
   brianw@holonet.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: tsar.Princeton.EDU!fuchs (Ira H. Fuchs)
Subject: Diversions disk directory listing
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:48:42 GMT

At the request of Ed Keefe, I have placed a directory listing of his  
Diversions Disk in the inbound directory.  
(eddie.mit.edu:/distrib/hp95lx/inbound/diversions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: jrh@jrh.uucp (James R. Hamilton)
Subject: Re: 95LX null modem transfers
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 05:35:05 GMT
Organization: private system, Toronto, Ontario

In article <mjohnson-060193171617@129.197.97.65> mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com (Mark E. Johnson) writes:
>Over the holidays I got EduCALC's serial cable for the HP95LX. It's
>supposed to work just like the one that comes in HP's own Connectivity
>pack. Now what do I do? I suspect I need to hook up a null modem transfer,
>using my PC's comm program and the 95's internal Xmodem. (Once I get ZIP
>across, it should be easy.) However, I surprised myself by being totally
>perplexed as to how to hook everything up. Well, I can figure out the cable
>(serial port to serial port), but what do I do on the software end?
>
    I use the serial cable to connect the 95 with a PS/2 running AIX and
    and RS/6000.  With both I just connect the cable, select comm mode on
    the 95, and log into the big system.  To transfer files I use a xmodem
    program on the large system and the xmodem support built into the 95s
    comm program.  Kermit is there as well.

    One minor point, on some systems (like my PS/2) the cable will work 
    by just plugging it into the serial port whereas on other systems 
    (like the RS/6000) the three signals provided by the 95 are 
    insufficient.  On these systems, tie pins 6, 8 and 20 together and 
    pins 4 and 5 together:


                    2 -------------- 2

                    3 -------------- 3

                    7 -------------- 7
     HP95LX				      Other System
                              ------ 4
                              |
                              ------ 5

                              ------ 6
                              |
                              ------ 8
                              |
                              ------ 20
                              
    --jrh
-- 

James R. Hamilton                            inet: jrh@jrh.guild.org
telephone: +1 416 493 4162                   uunet: ...!uunet!jrh!jrh
Toronto, Canada                              work: jrh@torolab.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: luntz@trantor.harris-atd.com (Mike Luntz)
Subject: 95lx calculator equation solver
Organization: Advanced Technology Dept, Harris Corp, Melbourne, FL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:32:54 GMT

I recently purchased the 95 and am now trying to familiarize myself
with its features. I am an hp28 calculator user and find the hierarchy
of variable definitions an indispensable aid for evaluating complex
functions.

On the 28 I can define variables

      y=m x + b
      m=log(z1)
and
      b=exp(z2)

and the solver will make the substitutions automatically so that
all I need to do is define z1, z2, and x in order to compute y.
If z1 is changed then I can directly re-compute y without having
to re-evaluate m. The re-evaluation of m is done automatically.

Is this feature available on the 95? I have not been able to find
the way to do it. If not, is there some program available that will
provide this capability?

If replying directly to me, the address is:

luntz@trantor.harris-atd.com

Thanks,

Mike Luntz
Xref: sparky comp.sys.palmtops:4333 comp.sys.handhelds:2665
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds
From: rjc@seachang.demon.co.uk (Richard Cryer)
X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2)
Subject: Psion 3, question ...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:03:29 +0000

Hi,

   I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but it never showed
   up on the net for some reason to here goes (again) ...

   I have been reading news relating to the Psion 3 (both positive and
   negative aspects!) recently and have finally decided to purchase the
   beast. However, while speaking to a freind about this I was told to
   save my money and wait for the new Psion machine to come out in a 
   couple of months. My freind had heard a rumour that a completely new
   Psion machine was almost due to be release, but had no other info.
   
   Does anyone know whether or not this rumour is true ?  If so, what
   type of machine is it ?

   I sit with bated breath (and a pocket full of burning money !).
 
   Thanks,

RJC.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: hdavies@rx.xerox.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Re: Atari Portfolio Questions
Reply-To: hdavies@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:19:22 GMT

In article 2722@cactus.org, cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R. M. Cheselka) writes:
>I am thinking about buying an Atari Portfolio, but I hear it only has 48k
>of ram!  Isn't that way too little?  Can that be the correct info?
>-- 
>cheselka@cactus.org               N5UVV              Michael R. M. Cheselka
>os9@gnu.ai.mit.edu        Hangs out on 145.21mhz       400 W. 34th st. #103
>membership@cactus.org                                 Austin, TX 78705-1331
>{...}!cs.utexas!cactus.org!cheselka (512)452-9412v ( 24hours answer. mach.)


I have a DIP Pocket PC, which is *exactly* the same as the Atari Portfolio (even to the "Atari" key), except that it has different badging, and 512K of memory. The Portfolio (and a number of other palmtops) was designed by DIP, although it is marketed by Atari.

If I was going to buy another palmtop tomorrow, I would probably buy an HP95, merely because of their popularity, and hence the wide availability of software, in direct contrast to the Atari. Also, the Atari has proven not to be very reliable, and survives battery changes very poorly. I have had to restore everything from backup several times.
---


Regards,

Hugh.
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Rank Xerox European Systems Centre, Welwyn Garden City, Herts., UK.
Mail to; Huge.wgc1@rx.xerox.com, whatever it says in the header.
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion, Atari Portfolio, HP-95LX FTP sites
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:55:51 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1993Jan6.110245.8783@spectrum.xerox.com> hdavies@rx.xerox.com writes:
>In article 1ib4bdINNe9b@uwm.edu, anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:

>Nice idea, but why not just tell people how to use Archie?

Because archie:
	isn't at all sites
	doesn't see all sites
	searches only by filename, not by file contents
	can be out of date
	can be slow

Archie was designed to find what users already know exists, not what
they suspect exists but don't know.  I hope to make the list into a
general comp.sys.palmtops/comp.sys.handhelds FAQ List.  I can hope
someone else will do it instead.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
From: putz@parc.xerox.com (Steve Putz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: wizcom 1.18 - program for Sharp Wizard <-> Unix link
Keywords: Sharp Wizard, Unix, wizcom
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:42:57 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC

A new version of the Unix "wizcom" program is now available via
anonymous FTP from math.berkeley.edu in the directory /pub/Wizard/Wizcom/.

In addition to fixing a couple of small bugs, this version now has support
for transferring spreadsheet files to/from the "3 Dimensional Spreadsheet"
application IC card.

Steve Putz <putz@parc.xerox.com>
Xerox Palo Alto Research Center
Palo Alto, California
From: mik@hpbbi4.BBN.HP.COM (#Michele Isernia)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:14:56 GMT
Subject: Re: IR95 ftp site in HP ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

There has been a problem with my second mail...

A lot of people sent me mail thinking I have the IR95....

Anyway, I've got also some people sending me the info I was looking for,
so,...here it is:


-> Hi Michele,
-> 
-> You will find IR95 on the mirror of eddie.mit.edu, hpcsos.col.hp.com is the
-> machine. Go in the directory  ./mirrors/hp95lx/tools and there you will find
-> ir95.zip.
-> 
-> Have fun,
-> 
-> Olivier Cochard               olivier@ocochard.gva.hp.com                 |
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Tiny, 24x80 flat terminal.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 00:48:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <lkhea1INNga@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) writes:
>I once saw a program that implemented a 24x80 terminal on the hp95 by using
>a custom font.  It was harder to read than usual, but still usable.  Does
>anybody know where this came from?

I haven't seen a terminal program like this, but fnt80x25.com spawns
off a command.com and uses graphics mode to do 80x25 text.  The program
is quite slow (several seconds to repaint the screen) unless light
sleep is turned off.  I've been able to run MS-Kermit at 1200bps with
no problems, except that clear screen puts several vertical lines
across the display.  I don't know if this is an MS-Kermit problem, or a
problem with fnt80x25.

>While we're on the subject of lost software; anybody know where I could get
>a copy of the "startrek" program for the hp95?  This was a simple program
>that displayed the startrek logo and made communicator noises whenever you
>turned the hp on.

This program and the fnt80x25 program are available on Compuserve.  The
author, David K. Goodman (72330.130@compuserve.com) has specifically
prohibited distribution of any of his software on the Internet or
Usenet.  You could try asking him if he could make the software
available some other way.  It might be possible to persuade him to at
least sell the software on disk.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: Derive for Sale
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Distribution: us,usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:14:28 GMT

jeremyw@well.sf.ca.us (Jeremy Weinstein) writes:
: Shrink-wrap software licenses are not necessaruly enforceable or binding.
: Check Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code.
I'm no expert but try to respect the programmers' rights.
-- 
-- Brian Walsh
   brianw@holonet.net
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: IR95 is excellent
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:54:22 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <C0D7CI.For@cs.uiuc.edu> ywlee@cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee) writes:
>
>This IR95 caught my eyes today. It sounds IR95 is software. Am I right? 

You are right.

>Then, where do you get infra-red to remote-control electronic devices?

HP95's have built-in infra-red transmitter/receivers.  Nominally, they're
used to communicate with other HP95's.  (Question for the net: anybody
have a list of hardware that the HP95 can talk to via the IR port?)

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for rags 
-- that is a loyalty of unreason, it is pure animal (Mark Twain).
From: bryan@uhura1.uucp (A. Bryan Curnutt)
Subject: Re: GNU make for m88k (AViiON)?
Reply-To: bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Stoner Associates, Inc./DREM Incorporated, Houston Texas
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:31:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.234544.17632@uhura1.uucp> bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net writes:
>I'm trying to get GNU make 3.62 to compile on a Data General AViiON
>running DG/UX 5.4.2; does anyone have this or something similar
>working?

It works now.  The best answer I received via e-mail (so far) came
from Paul D. Smith (pds@lemming.webo.dg.com), who said he was using
a command line of

    make -k "defines=-DPOSIX -D_POSIX_SOURCE -DPORTAR=1 -D_BSD_SOURCE" \
        CC=gcc LOADLIBES=-lelf

and also mentioned that load averaging didn't work.  (I wasn't trying
to use it anyway, at least while trying to get gmake to run at all.)

Paul also mentioned that GNU make and many other GNU products are
available pre-compiled on the GNU Toolset Tape, distributed by DG
for "a 'reasonable fee.'"

I should also mention that, due to an incompatibility between an
old FORTRAN compiler and most of the rest of the default development
system environment, I was having my .cshrc file set the environment
variable TARGET_BINARY_INTERFACE to "m88kdguxcoff"; I don't
recommend that you do this, especially with "LOADLIBES=-lelf".  :-)

Many thanks to
   Paul D. Smith (pds@lemming.webo.dg.com)
   Morton Tandle (tandle@pvv.unit.no)
   Pascal Janssens (janssen@bietel.uia.ac.be)
   John Hassey (hassey@dg-rtp.dg.com)
-- 
Bryan Curnutt                                  Stoner Associates, Inc.
bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net       (713)626-9568 voice  (713)622-7832 fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: linje@texhrc.uucp (Jeff Lin)
Subject: SUMMARY: Why does login(1) so slow...
Organization: Texaco EPTD
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:03:28 GMT


Thanks to all those who replied to my question about login(1).
I've learned now that this is a SVR4 standard to discourage
people from repeatively dialing into a system and trying different
passwords.

I also received a note from Jim Grecni of DG regarding a patch
to change this behavior. Here's the details:


|> There is a new set of patches for DG/UX 5.4.2 that will 
|> changes this behavior.  The patch is available in 
|> DG/UX 5.4.2 patch kit op-sys-x_5.4.2.921016 and is available 
|> from the Data General Customer Support Center to all 
|> users with a DG/UX Support Plus contract.
|> 
|> Here is a section from the patch notice that descibes the changes.
|> 
|>   This patch modifies login(1) so that the delay after an incorrect
|>   username/password  pair  is  incremental from 0 to 4 seconds. The
|>   first time a user enters an invalid username/password  pair,  the
|>   user will wait 0 (zero) seconds before being prompted again. On a
|>   second incorrect login attempt, a wait of 1 second  is  enforced,
|>   and so on for a maximum of 4 seconds.


Again, thanks to everyone, especially to Jim.



-- 
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Texaco,Inc.          Internet: linj@texaco.com   |/                 
6464 Savoy Dr.       Phone:    713-975-4592      /                  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: pds@lemming.webo.dg.com (Paul D. Smith)
Subject: Re: GNU make for m88k (AViiON)?
Date: 07 Jan 93 14:17:32 GMT
To: bryan@uhura1.uucp (A. Bryan Curnutt)
Organization: NSDD/ONSD, Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

[] Regarding GNU make for m88k (AViiON)?;
[] bryan@uhura1.uucp (A. Bryan Curnutt) writes:

    abc> I'm trying to get GNU make 3.62 to compile on a Data General
    abc> AViiON running DG/UX 5.4.2; does anyone have this or
    abc> something similar working?

Yes.  As an FYI, GNU make, among many other GNU products (emacs,
groff, bash, etc.), is contained already-built along with sources for
5.4.2 on the GNU Toolset Tape, distributed by DG for a "reasonable
fee".  See your sales rep for details.

    abc> Actually, it compiles OK, it's just that it dumps core
    abc> whenever I try to run it...  Just hoping that someone can
    abc> save me the debugging time...

First, note that I'm beta-testing 3.63 right now and I expect
(although Roland has not set a timeframe) it to be released within the
next week or two.  GNU make 3.63 uses autoconf and will
configure/compile "out-of-the-box" for DG/UX.

Further note that load limits (-l) will not work on DG/UX in make
3.62, but are fully supported in make 3.63.

That being said, I didn't make any changes to any source to get 3.62
to compile, but used this make command line to build it:

  make -k defines="-DPOSIX -D_POSIX_SOURCE -DPORTAR=1 -D_BSD_SOURCE" CC=gcc \
          LOADLIBES=-lelf

If that doesn't work, let me know more details (like a command line
that crashes) and I'll try to be of further assistance.
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                                                                paul
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| Network Systems Development Division   |                         |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: edbsba@sio25.uio.no (Stein-Aksel Basma)
Subject: Problems with lockd for Triton 88
Organization: University of Oslo
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:59:54 GMT

Hello net!
I have a problem with lockd for the Triton 88 (OS rel. 3.6).
PC/TCP's idrive tells me that "lockd does not support the
proper protocol version", and file and record locking
does not work for PC-applications.

I have told the vendor about this problem, and they suggested
using SUN's PC-NFS instead of PC/TCP. Unfortunately we haven't
got the money to replace 50 PC/TCP installations.

Does anybody possibly know of a fix for this problem.

Thanx in advance

--
/************************************************************/
 *	Stein-Aksel Basma				    *
 ************************************************************

When the Ngdanga tribe of West Africa hold their moon love ceremonies,
the men of the tribe bang their heads on sacred trees until they get a
nose bleed, which usually cures them of ____that.
		-- Ola Haugsrud, "The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: rainer@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhoefer)
Subject: 88110 --- ????
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:48:47 GMT


What happened to the 88110? If it is available, in which (available) 
Stations is it used?

_______________________________
"No, I haven't lost my mind, I    	rainer@winx06.informatik.
 backed it up on tape somewhere!"	uni-wuerzburg.dez
 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: bryan@uhura1.uucp (A. Bryan Curnutt)
Subject: GNU make for m88k (AViiON)?
Reply-To: bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Stoner Associates, Inc./DREM Incorporated, Houston Texas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:45:44 GMT

I'm trying to get GNU make 3.62 to compile on a Data General AViiON
running DG/UX 5.4.2; does anyone have this or something similar
working?

Actually, it compiles OK, it's just that it dumps core whenever
I try to run it...  Just hoping that someone can save me the
debugging time...
-- 
Bryan Curnutt                                  Stoner Associates, Inc.
bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net       (713)626-9568 voice  (713)622-7832 fax
From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:03:47 GMT
Subject: Re: clusters
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> Was told HP plans to replace clusters with NFS in the near future.  Is
> this true?

You know how it is.  Like any cautious company we don't want to announce
plans or products before they're definite, which is to say, close to
shipping.  Doing so, and hence setting expections that might be broken,
would be a disservice to our customers.

So even though I work in this area as a software engineer, and I'd love
to chat about this subject, I won't.  Except to say -- I appreciate and
share by email with my co-workers many of the discussions in this
newsgroup, including this one; and am sensitive to meeting customer
needs -- which unfortunately are often conflicting when viewed in the
aggregate.

Disclaimer:  This response does not represent the official position of,
or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard Company.  The above data is
provided for informational purposes only.  It is supplied without
warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: blochc@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (charles bloch)
Subject: Re: Distribution lists in elm
Keywords: elm mail
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:34:51 GMT

In article <gotwols.726185001@warper.jhuapl.edu> gotwols@warper.jhuapl.edu (Bruce Gotwols) writes:
>	Can anyone tell me how to send mail to a distribution list 
>under elm?  if that's not possible, is there any way to send mail
>to a distribution list?

In elm, type "a" to get into the alias mode.  Create an alias name for
your distribution group.  When prompted for the address, enter them
all, separated by commas.

NOTE: I seemed to have encountered some character limit for the
addresses.  In order to get around that, I created individual aliases
for the people in the group (like chuck =
blochc@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu, mysysop = root@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu,
...), then aliased the distribution list using these shorter aliases.
(like group = chuck,mysysop).  I don't know exactly what the character
limit is, but suspect 256. 

Hope this helps.  If anybody has better info, I'd be glad to see it.

cb


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