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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:11:10 GMT

news@array.com (news) writes:

>If you are at all intimidated by front brake usage, learn to 
>do stoppies.  They look dangerous, but with a little practice you can 
>routinely get the rear wheel 2-3.5 feet off the ground.

Whaaahhh! Sob! Sniffle!  I want a real front brake for Christmas!

I'd imagine that replacing the wimpy drum on my 10 year old DR250 with a
disc would be horribly expensive, even if I could find parts that would
fit. Anyone want to buy my DR? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: kazak@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Relocation
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:29:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


	I currently live in Albuquerque which in my opinion is dirt rider
	heaven. I will be relocating to the bay area within a couple of
	weeks (Santa Clara area) and was wondering a few things...I know
	of course that the open space and desert I have taken for granted
	around here does not exist over there but was still wondering what
	areas are available for riding in silicon valley. I actually enjoy
	motocross more so than desert races and dont think the limited
	space in the bay area will be too much of a problem.

	Can any of you guys give me some info about places to ride or
	business/people I can contact. Also, what is the racing situation
	for motocross/supercross like? I usually race two times a month
	around here. Also, I want to get rid of my kx 125 (90) and my kx 
	250 (89). Around here, the 125's are going for about 1600 and the
	250 is going for about 1750. Am I better off trying to sell them
	here or hauling them with me and trading/selling them over there?

	Your information and comments will greatly be appreciated! Thanks.

	kazak@carina.unm.edu
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Sorry Bout Dat !!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:36:12 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <lb24cqINN95i@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte) writes:
> 
> Lets make a tentitive date for  next Saturday then.
> The brewery is right on San Benito, the main street you 
> drive on going to the cycle Park.
> It's on your left 1/2 block before you get to Tiffiny Ford.

are you saying to meet at the brewery or at the cycle park :-) ?
either is fine by me.

and do you mean 9/19 or 9/26?  the 19th are the reno air races,
including big DoD bash at ed hackett's place :-) if you're interested.

> Al "one more time" Conte

-- 
-- bob "whaddaya mean?" pasker
--
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From: bobm@anasazi.com (Bob Maccione)
Subject: Re: Project XR600
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:20:35 GMT

jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
>
>Scott Summers runs a stock engine
>on his XR, but most of his riding is in the woods.  Scott also uses up 5-6
>XR600s each year.  It would take a team of mechanics to build trick XRs for
>that guy.  
>

really, seems that none of the articles mention that, what I've read is that
he seems to run the same bike all season with minor mods.  It would be
interesting what he breaks on the bikes.

bob
anasaz!bobm@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
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From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: fixing it
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:45:52 GMT

'Violins in the background'

Well here I am, working the Labor Day weekend just so I can fix my bike.
At least it will look good with a new white rear fender and red to white 
fade ceet cover.  I also bought some red Alumilites to replace the polished
set I broke last weekend.  PLAY -N- PAY that's my motto for my moto.
_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
_______________________________________|_____________________________________
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Sorry Bout Dat !!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:34:26 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep11.194526.9490@imagen.com>, randy@elk.imagen.com (randy scofield) writes:
>>Let me know when you want to go again, and I'll pop for some
>>Earthquake ale over at the Earthquake brewery & pub down the street.
> Earthquake ale?   This I need to try.  What street was that?
> As far as going riding again, I go every weekend.  Usually just to Metcalf,
> since its so close.  But varitety is nice.  Todd  doesn`t really like riding at Metcalf.
> Idea`s for places to ride would be nice...

i've heard there's some trails that go out to new idria.  anyone heard 
of them?  sounds way cool, too.

>>PS. If you don't believe me, come on over and look at the deck, it came out
>>   pretty good.
> I am a disbeliever.  You will have to have me over and flush my disbelief with
> some of that earthquake ale.  Yea, thats the ticket.  

we stopped off there on the way home for some burgers (good!) and beer (ok).
didn't you see The Beast with the trailer parked on 25 in hollister?

>>Al " This Old House" Conte
> Randy "show me" Scofield

-- 
-- bob "downhill daemon" pasker
--
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Theres a &%#@ hole in it!
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:24:50 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility



     Morning crew.  Hope no one got really bad tangled up with their
     scoot over the holliday.  

     So heres my problem for the week....  I got to looking at the
     engine I got back from MAC (I'll have more to say about MAC when
     I get everything dialed in.) and I noticed that they forgot to
     install a relief tube in the bottom end.  Let me help you 
     visualize..

     On the back side of the magneto cover there is this HOLE! I got
     the manual out and thank goodness the hole is isolated from the
     magneto.  There used to be a tube that ran into hole and then
     into the case (gromet also missing).  The manual doesn't say what
     the hose is, but my best guess says its an oil overflow tube.
     What else would a tube be doing in there?  I've never noticed
     it on any other bikes.

     So what the heck!  I think I can live without it but I really
     don't like the idea of my gears not being isolated from the 
     outside.  I figured I could put a gromet in the magneto cover's
     hole and put a tube in it just for the idea of keeping the dirt
     out.

     I plan on calling MAC about it anyway, but they will probably
     say, "Oh, its no problem at all" because they know I'll send it
     back in a heartbeat.  I wanted some other input before I called
     them.

     Yeah, yeah, I know Mike I should have let LCS do the work. 
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: peoples comments
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:42:50 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

> He and his brother were out dirt biking and collided head on.
> His brother was killed.  My wife wanted to know when I was selling my
> bike.  

  I'm afraid your battle may not be totally with the dangers of riding
  lectures as most of us have to deal with.  You actually have a family 
  member that has had an encounter with a death in such a recreation.
  I only wish I could offer more help.  But I do have a suggestion.

  I had a "headon" with a quad on a real big tabletop on public land.
  I came away with only a twisted wrist.  After that, I decided that
  I would only practice on a closed course where I knew everyone is 
  going the same direction.  I made sure the wife knew that.  I also
  added that I have only fell twice while racing and that was in 
  slow corners.
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From: ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Found a place
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:19:01 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Howdy,

Found a place to ride in Pgh.  It's in Glassport, and is kinda a
riding park type deal, with a ~2 mile MX track and some trails.  Spent
most of my time on the MX track.

Two questions:  1) anyway to wear the elbow pads I've got (O'neil's
with two elastic bands that go around the arm) without making arm pump
worse?  I had much fewer problems when I took off the elbow pads.
2) What's a good pair of goggles to wear with a Bieffe BX-6 and
glasses?  The Oakleys I have apparently weren't vented well enough,
and I couldn't see after about 3 corners.  I ended up just taking them
off, and riding without goggles, which I'd rather not do.

I can't believe how physically exhausting MX stuff is.  It's also
pretty amazing what my KDX will do.  Only crashed about 3 or 4 times,
all but one due to the *#*$*&#**!!! ruts that are all over the place
on this pretty much unmaintained track.  It wasn't just me, everyone I
talked to that was there said that Glassport's surface sucked compared
to everything else.

Anyway, had fun, didn't get hurt, and sped up over the course of the
day (still a majorly long way to go though).

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: laurie, bob, bob, randy, and todd do hollister hills.
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:45:06 GMT

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:

>i like the whoop-de-doos and i do not like the sand.

I've found three things that make all the difference in sand riding.
Power, traction, and attitude. Now on a small 4-stroke, there isn't much
you can do about power, and adding a paddle tire to it is probably a
waste of money, but the attitude tweak is pretty cheap. You just need to
convince yourself that it's ok for the bike to be wandering all over.
Think of herding cats instead of street riding. :-) "In control" means
that you're pointed in the general direction of where you want to go, 
not that the bike tracks exactly where you point it.

Running lower tire pressures and shifting your weight around a lot helps
too. If the front is washing out in corners, sit on the gas tank, if you
don't have enough traction in the rear, sit on the rear fender.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: laurie, bob, bob, randy, and todd do hollister hills.
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:26:07 PDT
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Sep5.203822.452@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
> we went riding at hollister today, as planned. attendees were ciotti,
> ciotti's girlfriend (robyn), randy scofield, and randy's friend todd. 
> 
> i'll let laurie tell you about her day.  i spent most of the time
> either eating the dust of the MX riders or feeding the dust to L. 

i had a lotta fun, i got very tired in about 2 hours, which is when it
got hot and the dust started to block out the sun, and when the whine
of 2-strokes started to make the air shake.  i rode easy trails today
and did a lot of new things like whoop-de-doos and ruts (i think i
could probably even face laszlo's driveway now :-) and sand. i like
the whoop-de-doos and i do not like the sand.  these things became
very clear to me as the day wore on.

we camped last night in walnut camp.  it's very nice, with hot showers
and excellent maintenance, but it was full of motorhomes with parents
screaming at their kids and assholes running their generators at 10pm.
 the stupidity of the turf war was outclassed only by its pettiness
("could you plz move your 5 of your 17 ATVs out of the drivethrough so
i can get my car out?" "whazzaproblem, bitch, ainchu gotcher own
fuckin driveway?")   i coulda lived without the 'tudes.

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
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From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
Subject: Re: Montague cross country
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:35:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.143102.24798@wehi.edu.au> couyant@rox.mel.dbe.CSIRO.AU (George Couyant Convex Support) writes:
>
> From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
>> Subject: Montague cross country
>> 
>	Hey Andy, loved the story. Makes me want to get out and
>	spectate....You guys always fall off so often? ;-^  ;-^  ;-^
>
>> minutes,  he came through the checkered flag with him handlebars wrapped 
>> around his gas tank, the seat part way off, and a broken back fender.  They 
>> looked like drag bars in the position they were twisted.  He had taken third 
>> place while going WFO up the long sandy uphill.  All of a sudden, the bike 
>> started swapping and Mike went flying.  I would have liked to have seen this 
>
>	Ahhhh, moments to cherish...
>> 
>> 	I figured that I would just finish this lap, then quit.  My fore arm
>> had lost a lot of skin (I knew that I should have worn my elbow guards.) and
>> my hip was swelling.  
>
>	Naaa, the only acceptable DNF due to injury is when you bleed until
>	you're thirsty...
>
>	Cheers
>	George C.
I wasn't able to tell how much that I was bleeding.  I couldn't really feel
my arm (unless I ran it through trees, then it really hurt) and I couldn't
see the part that was torn up.  I asked one of the guys at the checkpoint
to check it out for me.  He told that it looked like the major bleeding had
stopped and there weren't any big chuncks of flesh hanging off of it, so I
continued on.

I'm almost healed now.  Just in time for the race at Glen Rose TX this
weekend.  I can't wait.  

Andy

From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:29:58 GMT
Subject: Kenda trail test results
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

I got the chance to dirt test the Kenda Trakmaster DOT approved front tire
this weekend.  For hard terrain I found it to be a good tire -- NOT!!!

In 60 miles of rocky single track my XR destroyed this tire.   Fully half
of the side knobs are now missing.  This made for at least one crash
when my front end washed out on a cambered piece of granite.  

Before the knobs tore, the performance was acceptable.  This tire has
really tall knobs.  In moist bermed corners the front end really
stuck.  On slick off-camber sections it also inspired confidence.  In hard
pack with rocks it would bounce off to the side occasionally.  In all 
fairness, I run my pressure at about 16psi to prevent smashing a rim on
the larger rocks.  With a little lower pressure, the bouncing might have
been less pronounced. 

I plan on writing to Kenda to express my displeasure and request a refund.
Alternatively, I will request a replacement tire, but only if it can be
guaranteed to hold up much, much better.  

I tried the Kenda as an alternative to the Metzlers I've been running.  For
a front tire, I typically squeeze 10-12 rides out of a Metzler before the
side knobs are torn.  

One tire I know of that will hold up well is the IRC VE33 Volcanduro.  I've 
been hesitant to try them because I have very little data on how well they
perform.  Anyone have an experience they'd like to share with us?  They
other tire I might try is the Dunlop K139. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu "Tire Killer"
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: rcm@col.hp.com (hpctdfc)
Subject: Re: Kenda trail test results
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:11:14 GMT
Organization: Don't ask me, I'm Lost!

jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
> One tire I know of that will hold up well is the IRC VE33 Volcanduro.  I've 
> been hesitant to try them because I have very little data on how well they
> perform.  Anyone have an experience they'd like to share with us?  They
> other tire I might try is the Dunlop K139. 

I didn't know there was an IRC VE33 front tire (is there?).  I always run
them on the back of my '85 XR350R and they hold up well (10-15 rides).
Honda used the VE33 as the stock factory tire on this year/model bike and
probably others, as well.

Rick
rcm@col.hp.com
From: couyant@rox.mel.dbe.CSIRO.AU (George Couyant Convex Support)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: 2 and 2 = 4th
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:24:35 GMT
Organization: CSIRO

> From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
> Subject: 2 and 2 = 4th
> 
> it happened and in a BIG way.  There was this particular part of the track
> that was just plain out bad.  It was a rutted, sandy, whooped out uphill 1/4
> mile strait.  I passed and took over 2nd place and just as soon as I did, this
> ugly part of the track was dead ahead.  Not want to be passed I took it WFO
> in 5th.  He was in hot pursuit.  My bike did not like this part of the track
> at all and the rear started to do the side to side swap.  I never let off the 
> throttle knowing that high-sides happen by chopping the throttle.  Guess what?
> It happened anyway, I think.  All I remember is thinking, "This is gonna hurt!"

	You are one sick little puppy.....

	Wrestling with the dirt from a "pegged out in 5th" getoff (and
	still being able to type tell the story) is kinda cool.
	You've won my admiration..

	Keep at it!
	George C.
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From: kazak@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Front brakes cont (this is sure to get a rise outa some)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 01:48:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>>I would strongly disagree with using the front brake on a steep hill.  This
>>is an easy way to get a close up view of the hill (after flying over the
>>handlebars), with the added fun of having the bike fall on top of you.
>
	Well, how are you supposed to stop or just prevent yourself from
	hitting warp 7 down a hill? There are some serious hills around here
	about 100 feet high and you will die if you dont use the front brake
	going down!

>>I only use the front brake (dirt and street) when I really need it.  I feel
>>much more confortable going into a rear-wheel lock slide then having my
>>front wheel lock up.
>
	I only use the front brake when I need it which is all of the time.
	I would not be effective in motocross or desert races without the
	front brakes! Am I just totally insane? Let me know if I am!
>
>>I've taken this philosophy from my experiences riding dirt and street bikes.
>>It may not be true for everyone though.
>
>>	Ted
>
>Ted:
>
>	Ok. So, I forgot to mention on thing in the post.  For me, use of the 
>front brake during downhill manuevers is entirely dependent on terrain.  I'd 
>likely never use it in deep sand or softer terrain; however, on hardpack or 
>reasonable loam with good traction and the proper weighting of the bike, I 
>still think it's reasonable to use the front.
>
>	On the other hand, maybe I'm just fortunate to have not endoed my 
>brains out by now.  What do some of you others think?  George?  Mike?  Come on, 
	Good balance and knowing what your machine can/cannot do is key to
	not doing endoes! Your not fortunate, I think its that you have
	developed skill doing this!

>I'm a young guy...let's have some experience talking...:)
>

	kazak@triton.unm.edu
From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Front disc guards. . . Braking etc.
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:31:33 GMT
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <44sns0=@lynx.unm.edu> pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost) writes:
>I have decided to buy some fork protectors to keep the little roost pits from
>getting any worse on my forks.  Do the front disc guards that are a part
>of some of these do anything worthwhile or should I save a little money
>and just get the plain fork guards?

 I would just get the plain fork-gaurds.  I think those plastic disc protectors
 are a crock.
>
>Another question. . .
>One of the guys that I ride a lot with has a 1987 CR-500 that he doesn't ride
>too much anymore because he is a big bad banshee rider now.  I ride my
>1991 XR-600 in all of the desert races, play rides, trail rides, etc. but 
>have been really thinking about trying his 500 in a motocross race.  The
>question is this: How do you stop the damn thing!   
 
 Brakes maybe!!!

Everytime that I ride this 
>sucker at anywhere near the speed I can ride my 600, I end up shooting over 
>a berm out into the weeds or jamming on the brakes so hard that I kill the 
>engine or doing the big time flat track type slide until I get the beast under
>control again.  I know that a big four stroke has big time engine braking but
>what am I doing wrong?  Do I need to start braking earlier for the corners
>than I do on the 600 or what?   

 First off, you should go out and ride it more often.  You will definitely
 have to start braking earlier.  Follow some of the other people on 2-strokes
 and do what they do except don't crash.   


_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
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