HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fafat@sal-sun62.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la Vijay Fafat)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:05:30 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <2475@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:
>> 	hehehehehehe :) you'll do just fine on SCI, SSD :)
>> 
>> 	FFT
>
>with FFT for role-model, sure Srikant, You will do just fine.
>
>Arathi.
>
>PS : ;-), for the humour impaired.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


	Surely you're paranoid about those pests who were troubling vice-matron
	Uma, right? :):)



In article <2474@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:

>SSD you are hereby sentenced to produce 20, well make it 25, inane
>articles within the next 24 hours. Since FFT has taken a shine to 
>ya, I guess you would be done in about 15 mins. ;-) 
>
>you can contact FFT at : fafat@aludra.usc.edu for counselling. ;-) ;-)
>


	:) Arrgghhh, now you've done it.... everyone knows now that you've
	been under my tutelage for inanities :)
	Not a bad effort, I say. Make me proud :)

	FFT























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From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: U.S. Citizen NRIs Please leave India alone (Re: BJP)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:12:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.163315.13840@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, f0g1@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Prasad Gokhale) writes:
> In article <1k68tgINN70s@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan27.141319.29007@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
> is the "tolerance towards other faiths" and nothing to do with "physical
> tolerance". It is of no use preeaching non-violence to a person who is about
> to slay you with his sword...If the person being attacked does not retaliate
> with a sword, he is promised a miserable death....
> 
> PPG.

   Were the people who tore down the Babri Masjid the agressors or the victims.
Are the mobs killing innocent victims the predators or the prey? 

Rafat Sadiq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:19:41 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.132410.19508@usl.edu> zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar) wr
ites:
>In article <1993Jan26.194057.3406@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> f0g1@jupiter.sun.csd
.unb.ca (Prasad Gokhale) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan26.113728.46776@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.u
kans.edu writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan26.151418.9486@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Poop
er 2) writes:
>>>
>>>   I agree with your personal opinion, anyways. In this aspect Soviet Marxis
m
>>>   and Islam have attained the same objectives. To liberate the "downtrodden
"
>>>   by encouraging them to resort to violent means and inculcating people to
>>
>>Both are political ideologies masquerading as religions...Both believe that
>>everything on the face of the earth belongs to them... both have supressed
>>resistance through terror, torture, tyranny, treason and treachery...
>>
>>One is already on the verge ob being extinct...the other will shortly follow.
.
>
>Recent studies show that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
>The rate at which non-muslims are accepting Islam has laid to rest the myth
>that Islam has spread by the sword.

     Wow!! Awesome logic. Past is being proved by present. Let me tell you
 something. History is history, it can not be changed. Whether or not Islam
 spread by history can be checked from history books. Didnot Muhammed put
 a whole tribe of jews to sword because they did not accept Islam. What else
 prove one will need? Do not try to mend the truth , if you are uncomfortable
 with it.
    May be Islam is spreading fast, but what good that has broght to the
 world? Most Islamic states are terroist states, and most muslims are
 backwards. Once "OIL" is dry from Arabia in 40-50 years, and funding for
 islamic conversion is gone, Islam will reach its natural end.

 Raja 
>
>Zafar
>>
>>Prasad.
>>
>
>
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From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:31:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.190610.1418@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
> 
> In article <C1IvFB.L2C@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown
> ) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan27.141941.23125@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs
> ..ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
>     I suggest that you read more carefully before you refute something.
> I never claimed that most muslims reside in Arabia. I don't have to go
>  further than India,  which houses some 140 million muslims, to see that.
>   All I am saying is that funding for spread of Islam as well as Islamic
>  fundamentalism comes from desert of Arabia. Did not Saudi Arab force
>  Bangladesh to become Islamic from secularism?

   There is much talk that Saudi Arabia forced Bangladesh to become an Islamic
state. Although I vehemently disagree with it let us ignore it for a moment. 
Take a look at Bangladesh`s history since 1971. It was only a few years ago thatthe country became an Islamic state. However, the transition was more symbolic
than revolutionary. To prove my point, I ask you to point out a single law that
was changed after the state became an Islamic one. 

    Secondly, to suggest that the spreading of Islam is dependant on the desert 
of Arabian in this day and age is inaccurate and misleading. Arabia is the
spiritual head of Islam. Muslims respect the holy cities of Mecca, Medina,
and Jiddah regardless of nationality simply due to their importance in
the religion. But they do not blindly follow Arabia. As a case in point let us
take the example of Indonesia. President Suharto and his predecessor Sukarno
tried and were fairly successful in clipping the wings of religious fanatics.
In Bangladesh, though the Jammat-I-Islam is the fourth largest party (18 seats
out of 300 elected) they are not the voice of the opposition (unlike the BJP).
Thus, countries with an Islamic majority are not dependant on the Middle East.

   The current spreading of Islam is due primarily to conversion. Ask any
South Asian or South East Asian muslim and you will see the mistrust and
disgust they express for Middle Eastern rulers. If anything, most Muslims
in the world dislike the Middle East simply because they feel the rulers 
are tarnishing Islam and have forgotten other Muslims around the world.

Rafat Sadiq

 
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From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: A fervent appeal!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:02:32 GMT


In article <1993Jan26.171543.3151@cs.sfu.ca> mahajan@cs.sfu.ca (Sanjeev Mahajan
) writes:
>
> anyone who talks
>even a modicum of sense is branded a pseudo-secularist or
>a westernized pseudo-intellectual out of touch with the hard realities
>of life (i have experienced this kind of calumny myself, in my
>experience with my relatives).

    Very glad that you have some sensible relatives, whom you are not
 able to brainwash.

> india, as never before, is at a point where
>hindu-rashtra is a very real possibility.

  India will always remain a secular state. It is your commie propaganda.

>
> when i say that india is fast on its way to becoming
>a theological hindu rashtra, where the loathsome varnaashrama
>dharma will become the order of the day, where science will be reduced
>to cramming up and regurgitating some strange shlokas  from
>the vedas (if you do not believe this, read Prof. Jayaraman's article
>which was posted on sci by me just a few days ago, it describes
>how science is fast degenerating in the bjp ruled states), rigors
>of the sati will be back, and everything loathsome in our culture will
>be brought back with a vengeance.

    Standard commie bullshit. Get real. India will be in much better
 shape under BJP rule. It was under Hindu rule when India was called
 "Jagadguru". , i.e. leader of world. Vedas don't support caste system.
 Jayaraman's article was also standard commie propaganda. One commie
 quoting another, ha ha ha!!!
   Only people to suffer under BJP rule will be commies.

 Raja 
>
>sanjeev
>
>p.s. i finally got to  read the (in)famous hindu students council ad
>in IE(i don't read IE any more, as it is too surreal for me). the ad
>should win `the most bizarre specimen' award. now here is a bunch
>of nri hindus comfortably settled in the u.s./canada claiming that india
>is the only place they can call home (as opposed to , of course, those
>`evil' muslims in india who can boldy go to any country a hindu
>would fear to tread. i mean, do these self-styled defenders of hinduism
>ever wonder what utter nonsense they are spewing.
>
>p.s.II please respond to this post by email, as i don't generally
>read sci.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:35:02 CST
From:  <U52931@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Cong-I and Rape of a wife

This not my own Idea but at a gettogather an oldfriend of my father told us thi
s story, He was born in what is today Pakistan and from Lahore he moved to US i
n year 48.

           This a story of a lady who is raped by her husbands friend, she trie
s to tell her husband that his friend is giving her problems but the husband ke
eps ignoring the matter adds that how could he be, he is the best person I know
in the whole world.

                   But she did finally got raped and when she told her husband
about it he balmmed it on her. but to show everyone else in the nighborhood he
cries Rape- my wife is been raped.

          Now lets just change these people around put Conggress insted of the
husband put India in place of the wife and you can chose from a varity of frien
ds of conggress I to fit that spot.

           A small list is

          1. Sant Bhindrewalle  (created by Indira Gandhi) 1980-83.
             created and installed then killed by her majesty.

          2. Kashmir problem (Pandit J.L.Nehru)
             Created by Nehru, kept healthy by the chain of Nehru family rule

          3. RJB problem (Pandit J.L.Nehru)
             he kept the problem alive even when he had a chance to solve it ba
ck in 1947. Conggress still keeping this problem alive to secure it's muslim vo
te bank.
          4. Article 356/357 (Pandit J.L Nehru)
             It is a temp article and again it's there just to keep the problem
alive.
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                    Amit.
From: seeta@hub.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: .... From India -D ....
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:33:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Copy right violations & Utter disregard of personal laws :- below :-

Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:26:00 -0400 (EDT)
From a contribution to the India-D network....
From: Prasad@biologysx.lan.nrc.ca
Subject: SUBCO...JEOPARDY: HOST KamalX Trebek

Time for SUBCO....[for Subcontinental or in Hindi:'Sabko' (for all)] JEOPARDY
with your host, KamalX Trebek [where X=a: Kamala-to satisfy feminists;
X=Nath: to satisfy Hindus; X=Hussein: to satisfy Muslims; and Trebek to
satisfy Christians and Alex Trebek, who I am hoping, wouldn't sue me for
violation of copyright ('intellectual property')].
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 1. KamalX: Is there anything that travels faster than light on the
            subcontinent ?
    Answer: Yes, a rumour.
 2. KamalX: Which of the following states was the most peaceful in Dec'92/
            Jan '93 in India: a) U.P. (b) M.P. (c) Maharashtra (d) Punjab
    Answer: (d) Punjab
 3. KamalX: What did Nawaz Sheriff say to Advani on phone on Dec.7 ?
    Answer: Shukriya, Thank You, Dhanyavad, Arigato, Merci. God Bless You.
 4. KamalX: In which state in India were 'Pakodies' first fried.
    Answer: I don't know and I don't care.
 5. KamalX: Complete the following proverb: "Those who live in glass
            houses..."
    Answer: "...... should not undress".
 6. KamalX: What does the abbreviation 'AIDS' stand for ?
    Answer: Any Idea that can Divide Society Syndrome or Acquired Indianness
            Deficiency Syndrome
<< My comment : An ABCD's disease I guess ;;-)) >>
 7. KamalX: Which of the following 'Dal's is the least toxic ?
            (a) Akali Dal (b) Bajrang Dal (c) Janata Dal (d) Kesri Dal
    Answer: (d) Kesri Dal, in my opinion.
 8. KamalX: Shakespeare, some people claim, is not British but one of the
            following. Which one is correct ?
            (a) His actual name is Sesh(adri) P. Iyer and he is a Tamil.
            (b) Sheikh S. Peer and he is a Muslim, actually.
            (c) Shekhar S. Pyare and he comes from U.P.
    Answer: No Comments. Can I go now.
KamalX: I have no clue or comments either. But you are a winner!!!!!
Congratulations. Here is what you get.....A free unlimited travel 'DiscovAir
India' ticket on Indian Airlines flown by the experienced Uzbek Air pilots,
whenever they fly and wherever they land. Bon Voyage!!!!! So Long Folks.....
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From: 228chandrapp@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: UAkron address
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:00:42 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

find out from finger if you are on the sun or
any unix system. Their address is vax1.cc.uakron.edu

-suresh
From: bkannan@ho10.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:49:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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kurlagoonda barks:

>Why don't you read up abit before fa*** on the net.

     *you* do that yourself.

>Hitler and his cohorts went so far as to say that experimental science was
>superior to theoretical simply because the Jews dominated theoretical science.
>In fact Heisenberg was allowed to teach the theory of Relativity (after much
>pleading ) on the condition that the author's name was not mentioned ( again

     quite irrelevant...

>because he was a Jew ). Germany did have success with its rocket program but
>that only reflects on the abundance of talent available as theydid this inspite

     abundance of talent in what?? The art of making laddus??

>of losing some of their best talent to the U.S.

     Yes, and these were the pioneers of the U.S space program.

     but, a dunce like you perhaps cannot comprehend the meaning of
     English sentences. I never commented on the direction in which
     the sciences were heading under the Nazis [to flex their military
     muscle] but Jayaraman's remarks about Nazism dealing a blow to
     science in Germany which is simply not true. [in a sense, it
     did for by its very definition science is noble] Neither did I
     dispute the fact that 'Jewish science' was affected. [i never
     denied that their scientific pursuit was a lot 'ignoble' if you
     cared to read]

     My point was this: Nazism was not anti-science. J was trying to
     draw an anology between Hindutva and Nazism by claiming that
     just as science was given the death blow by Nazism so wud the
     BJP take us into the dark age of superstition and blind faith.
     Now, you can tell me that 'superior Aryan' myth is enuff evidence
     of blind faith. *That* is prejudice IMO & I doubt there is anyone
     you can call a scientist who wasn't prejudiced, because that
     is a very human quality [One doesn't have to be a 'Nazi' scientist
     for that] Only in this case, it was monstrous. Get that into your
     head and stop posting when you are drunk! [if you can help]

bk

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From: gopal@nx33.mik.uky.edu (P Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: A Tough  Visa question? Help needed
Keywords: H-1B, F-1, Fall 93
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:39:55 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Hi :
	I am on a H-1B visa now. I am planning to go to school in fall 93
and I need to change my visa status to F-1. I live in New Jersey and my
school is in Kentucky. Where should I mail my I-20 and visa status change
form ? Should I mail it to INS in Kentucky or INS in New Jersey? My immigration
specialist is not very sure and told me to mail it at INS in NJ as my residence
is in NJ(new Jersey). All help will be appreciated. Thanks .


Gopal.
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Sindhu Desh and Khalistan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:18:15 GMT

Hummm.. sounds alot like Hindu Desh to me...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@launchpad.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: .... 60.min/dowry....
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:42:23 GMT

In article <9301261900.AA28523@ece7.NIS.ece7> seeta@hub.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma) writes:
>
>The Dowry problem will only get worse in india, for the simple
>reason that materialistic ambitions are rising faster than anything
>else, even inflation.   15 Yrs ago, a standard dowry demand was for
>about 40 thousand.  Now that is the minimum, with the standard
>going up to atleast 75,000 with a scooter and ```basic''' family
>necessities like golden watch, fridge, color TV etc...
>

Plus a list of seemingly logical statements adding up to:

>A feasible eceonomic system I should say.  And always, U will find
>a few Ivan Boesky's who will misuse it.   But a major difference lies in that
>stock market fringe elements like Sri. Boesky, didnt kill anyone.  But our
>fringe elements are....
>Concluding ::-  Either, we abolish materialism in india, or we shut up.

Well, what will it be?

>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma (email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

I have heard rationalizations of dowry to include something which goes
like this:

1. Most of the responsibility of the upkeep of the family falls upon men.

2. In our society often the education of women is given second priority and
the money which is not spent on their education is what is demanded as
dowry.

3. So, if women (as brides) cannot contribute to support a family, they
should at least provide the downpayment.

Perhaps, Sri. SRUBS will pick this apart.

Sthan.
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From: gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gauri Pavate)
Subject: Re: Muslims - the victims or the perpetrators of violence ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:48:15 GMT

raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani) writes:

	(deleted)

> Instead of looking at such
>parts of the country I think we should look at those parts which have
>remained calm and learn what we can from them. Might I suggest that 
>people read the article about Bhiwandi (a suburb of Bombay which has large
>numbers of both Hindus as well as Muslims and has been known in the past 
>for its frequent communal problems) which remained peaceful while the rest 
>of the city burned - shows that it *is* possible to achieve Hindu-Muslim 
>amity even in times like these.



What is striking to note about Bhiwandi is that some very *active*
measures were taken by Muslims and Hindus to achieve peace:

	-75 neighbourhood peace committees were formed
	-Muslims and Hindus went out in *joint* night patrols
	-daily peace meetings were held at street corners during
	    the tension period (rather than the usual weekly schedule)
	-in the previous year, a number of events were organized
	    for communal harmony like poetry sessions, ekta race
	    for unity etc.

I guess the lesson from Bhiwandi this time is that the active
participation of sane citizens (in bringing together members of
their respective communities) is very important to prevent rabid  
elements from taking over.


						Gauri.

ps. the police attitude also seems to have made a difference.
The Deputy Commissioner of Police is being credited with having
taken vigilant steps, and for establishing a new police-people
friendship, with the police attending peace meetings etc.
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re:      SURAT MASSACRES AND THE NAZIS
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:53:10 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan23.095540.24304@fuug.fi>, an5953@anon.penet.fi writes:
|>  Another proof that the BJP/VHP/RSS doesn't have a vision of a grorious and
|>  strong India but a vision of a Nazi India.

[gruesome article omitted]

There is an attempt here to draw a link between the BJP/VHP/RSS and the
incidents in the article. There was NO mention in the article of any such
thing. There was no mention of any political leader or religious leader of
any kind being involved. How did you then draw the irresponsible conclusion
that they were linked up with it? The article itself only refers to them
as "hoodlums" and draws no conclusions or inferences from it.

|>  Folks, Wake up and stop these monsters from taking over India.

Folks, stop behaving like hysterical twits and get a little sense. There
might be a case against the BJP (or the Congress or the Left-ists) based
on what they have genuinely said or done or can be reasonably inferred that
they have done. Make THAT case if you will, but please don't insult our
intelligences by attributing everything that is bad to the people you 
dislike. How, for example, do you know that these were not, say, Congress-
affiliated hoodlums on the rampage; or for that matter, just a bunch of
rowdies with no political affiliations? 


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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