Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:05:39 -0400 
From: "Robert W. Hill" <rh3b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: SINL finals (long...sorry :-))
	<16iuhgINN12m@agate.berkeley.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.netrek: 15-Aug-92 Re: SINL finals Tom
Holub@soda.berkeley. (811)

> In article <713875790.18575.0@borman.res.andrew.cmu.edu> stimpy+@cmu.edu
> (Rick) writes:
> )
> )Well, we could have just started a server, and had both teams orbit
> )Orion for two and a half hours. Then the game would OFFICIALLY be
> )a tie. Why not end with some sportsmanship? We already defeated
> )Rank Scum, and now both teams are missing their best players. We
> )just see no need to play a final game between subs.

> No, the game would not then OFFICIALLY be a tie, because the ruling body
> (which at the moment happens to be me) could disqualify you both for
> being weenies.  

> Do whatever you want.  I will do whatever I can to make sure that
> no more than one CMU team (or from any other school, for that matter)
> makes the playoffs in the fall.  This is total bullshit, for the second
> time in a row (Hi Akira).
>  -Tom


While I don't dispute the fact that Tom has jurisdiction over the SINL,
I would say he is really being an asshole.  The situtation is this:

NEITHER rankscum or AA can field a team of 8 players for at least 2
weeks.  As I told Maroo (Amazing) at the beginning of the rankscum vs
ogglies game, we simply couldn't play unless we played the next day
(saturday, very early) or two weeks from that date.  Rankscum couldn't
field a full team on early saturday, so that threw the saturday option
out.  So, that places us in a difficult situation.  We could either 1) 
play the game without most of our players, and it wouldn't really be a
rankscum vs AA game or 2)  postpone the game until one week into the
fall semester at CMU.  Neither greg, nor I felt it was appropriate to do
that, simply because there is too much to do for the school year, and
the fall INL.  We concluded that we MAY try and play a game later, just
to see if AA could beat them again.  That is the situation, and if you
don't like it, you can blow it out your ass.

As far as there only being one CMU team in the playoffs next year, go
ahead and try all you want.  I will fight you tooth and nail on the
council, and do everything in my power to ensure this doesn't happen. 
If you win, and it does come to pass, I will personally see to it that
CMU fields a team so decisive,  that we pound the hell out of everyone
we play.  After all, why be fair, if we can only send one winning team?

Lastly, you say that this is total bullshit, my question is WHY?  Don't
you see that we would like to play, but its not possible?  You also said
this has happend for the second year in a row.  The CMU teams couldn't
possibly play any more games then what we did last year.  We played the
Wizard vs Akira game on the weekend DURING final examinations.  The game
was very tough to get played, and there was no more time for other
games.  Akira was justified, in my opinion to do whatever was needed to
get the game played.

As a side note, the only reason I can think of tom wanting only one CMU
team in the playoffs, is so that a berkeley team will make the finals. 
It is pretty sad, considering that berkeley could probably field a team
that could beat one of our CMU SINL teams, and make the finals that way.
 But no, tom has to just jump in and be a dick.

Stop bitching, and grow up, Tom.  If we have to play a stupid ass game
just to not offend anyone, then, by all means, we will.  Of course,
it'll have to wait till we get our players back.  And yes, we may just
dogfight at orion for 2 and 1/2 hours.

Flame all you like, I won't be around.  

Enjoy the rest of the summer, guys!

Rob
aka Spaceace!

acting co-captain AA