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From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Japanimation - Ultraman
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:17:06 GMT

NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu> <spodell@mcimail.com> writes:
>I used to also watch Ultraman all the time.  Although I wouldn't consider it
>Japanimation since it was real actors.  I understand that there is a whole
>Ultraman family and each one has (or had) its own show in Japan.  Here in
>America they only showed the adventures of one character and I think they only
>showed one season.  I remember the last episode of the season (man, a can't
>believe I remember this stuff) where Ultraman ran out of energy and died. Then
>his father (I think) came down and brought the body back to the sun.  [...]

Yeah, I remember it too. The terrible monster who killed the Ultraman, I 
believe, was called Zetton. In retrospect, I can't understand why the
producer of the program had to come up with such a sad ending.  It was,
after all, a kids' program.  I can't imagine American TV doing that, 
unless they have a definite plan to bring him back to life (ala Superman or
Mr. Spock :-).  Cultural difference, I guess.

I think the "father" you mention is his older brother (Zofii?).  He took
the body back to where they came from, M78(?) nubula.







Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: lpoza@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Luis Poza)
Subject: Re: Slips and Puns in Japanese
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:54:45 GMT

I recall one time making a slip, swapping two vowels.  I wanted to say,
"Onaka ga ippai."  Wound up proclaiming, "Inaka ga oppai."


Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: ntetsuya@LAMAR.COLOSTATE.EDU (Nishimura)
Subject: Re: akemashite omedetou gozaimasu
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:08:54 GMT

In article <9212300503.AA06777@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>Mina-sama, shinnen akemashite omedetou gozaimasu.  Rainen wa niwatori no
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>toshi desu.
>
>Happy New Year to everyone.  Next year is the Year of the Chicken in the
>Buddhist "astrology", so may you all have a lot of pluck (and reasons to
>cluck) in 1993.
>
>Jim Massey
>Nova University

	Just for your refernce.  You are supposed to say "akemashite..." first
	on New Year's Day, and then so do to anybody you meet for th efirst time	in the
 new year.

	Before New Year's Day, you say;
		"Douzo yoi o-toshi wo (o-mukae kudasai)"
		       good  year        have
		Please (have) a good year.

	And we say "tori doshi" for the Year of Chicken in Japanese.



	Sore dewa Jim-san, douzo yoi o-toshi wo!!
					:-)

					Tetsuya Nishimura
From: 0003647572@MCIMAIL.COM (Stuart Podell)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanimation - Ultraman
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

I used to also watch Ultraman all the time.  Although I wouldn't consider it
Japanimation since it was real actors.  I understand that there is a whole
Ultraman family and each one has (or had) its own show in Japan.  Here in
America they only showed the adventures of one character and I think they only
showed one season.  I remember the last episode of the season (man, a can't
believe I remember this stuff) where Ultraman ran out of energy and died.  Then
his father (I think) came down and brought the body back to the sun.  So far I
haven't seen any Ultraman reruns for over 15 years.

Other favorites:  Johnny Socko's Flying Robot, Kimba, Marine Boy and Star
Blazers (Yes, I had no life as a child).

-Stuart Podell
 <spodell@mcimail.com>  Internet
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mikem@comspec.com (Mike Martinez)
Subject: Re: Japanese terminal emulator for PC ?
Reply-To: mikem@comspec.com (Mike Martinez)
Organization: Comspec Communications - Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 14:07:50 GMT
Followup-To: sci.lang.japan
Summary: Reading Japanese directly from the terminal
Keywords: JIS terminal emulation
Disclaimer: Comspec Communications knows nothing of what I write.

rvejb@etlcom3.etl.go.jp (John Bozek) writes:

| I am looking for information on a terminal emulator (like
| kermit or smart-term or whatever) that will allow me to
| display Japanese on an IBM PC/AT close that is _not_
| running DOS/V.  Anybody have any experience with this
| type of program or know where I can find one ? (that works).

Some time ago, I was asking the same thing and a kind person from
California (I'm sorry, I don't have his name at the moment) told
me about a file called kd100.arc that had add-on modules for Kermit
to enable it to display JIS characters directly on a VGA screen.
(It worked fine, provided that the JIS sequences had not been mangled
or escape codes stripped in the process of transmission.)  He e-mailed
me a copy of the file and I can verify that it worked fine.  You may 
want to use archie to locate a copy on one of the ftp archives somewhere.

(I have had a hard drive failure in the meantime and have lost the file.
If anyone can help by e-mailing me a fresh copy, it would really be
appreciated.  As I have no Internet access, I can't access archie or
any ftp services...)
--
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But I have promises to keep,                |---------------------------------
And miles to go before I sleep,             | UUCP:  ...uunet!uunet.ca!
And miles to go before I sleep.             |            comspec!mikem
From: vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Sorry
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 01:47:02 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Gomen nasai, mina-san!  I flubbed, erred, made a boo-boo.  Ignore my 
previous 2 posts, they were meant for elsewhere.

Again, my apologies.

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From: mgn@cup.portal.com (Mike G Newman)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japanese For Everyone - CD
Date: Sat,  2 Jan 93 14:42:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

A recent issue of 'MangaJin' recommends the CD Japanese For Everyone
as the best CAI material for Japanese.  Any comments on this or
other recommendations?

+-------------------------------+--------------------------------+
|   Mike G Newman               |  mgn@cup.portal.com            |
|   BX 1510                     |  MCI:   mnewman (333-1196)     |
|   Saipan MP 96950             |  Phone: 670-234-7726           |
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: akuma@netcom.com (Steven E Barnes)
Subject: Re: Japanimation
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:58:19 GMT


The original Ultraman was shown in America.  I never saw any of
those sequels (Ultraman-Taro, Ultraman Q, etc).  The Ultraman
series with caucasians is Australian, and pretty lame, I am told.

Other shows:

Kimba the White Lion == Jungle Taitei
Marine Boy == Umi no Triton (???)
Gigantor == Tetsujin 28 (original, black and white series)
Johnny Socko and His Flying Robot == Giant Robo
Spaceketeers == SF Saiyuki Starzinger
Force Five: collection of five series:
    UFO Diappolon, Gaiking, Danguard Ace, and two others
Battle of the Planets == Gatchaman (especially bad editing)
Star Blazers == Uchuu Senkan Yamato (first and second series)
Voltron == Go Lion, Dairugger 15, and one other show
Tranzor-Z == Majingar (not sure which series)
Robotech == Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeada (three series
    linked together)
Captain Harlock and Queen of 1000 Years: bad attempt to combine these
    two series into one story
Prince Planet == ?
Thunderbirds 2270

That's all that come to mind.  I was only including shows that
were broadcast on mainland US television, not including specialty 
foriegn language channels.

One thing worth mentioning is that most of the translated series
after Speed Racer (Mach Go Go Go) had the violence heavily edited.
Fight scenes would be removed, or some character would mention that 
the enemy was just "robots", so that no people would actually die.

A particularily funny example was in Yamato, where a commando
force invades the Comet Empire.  They start out with around 12
guys, but with each scene, there are fewer and fewer men.  Finally,
only Wildstar (Kodai) actually escapes.  So what happened to
the other guys?  :-)

-steve

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: "Japanimation" and katakana question
Keywords: Answers about japanese animation
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:23:44 GMT


In article <1992Dec30.213159.26210@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>Before You Ask Dept.:  The name "E. Kontei" above is a pun.  "Ekonte"
>is the word for "storyboard", like an animation storyboard (I'm a
>fan of Japanese animation).

Yes.
"Ekonte" is E+Konte; where E means (drawn) picture, and Konte is an
adaption of "continuity".
Although most ekonte's are rough line drawings, those by Kurosawa (Akira)
are highly deemed on their own, and the recent ones (eg. Ran, Kagemusha)
have acutually been published.
(Kurosawa initially sought an artist's career.)

>(*)  The Katakana Question:  Actually, my name should be spelled as:
>			E-N-RI-KE  KO-N-TI,
>     but there's no "TI" sound in katakana.  Is it acceptable enough
>     to use "TE-I"?  (Not to mention that it makes such a nice pun...)

TE + small-I expresses the "TI" sound.
However, the most plausible way to transcribe it in alphabet will be
"ti", destroying your pun.
But then again, "Conti" would preserve the original "continuity".
Make your pick.

-YH


Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject:  "Japanimation" and katakana question
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:31:59 GMT
Keywords: Answers about japanese animation


[Yoichi Ii:]
> o One anime which lingers in my mind is the "Youkai Ningen". 

This sounds a lot like a series which was broadcast in the US
as "Space Giants".

[Tom Benjamin:]
> Does anyone know where someone can get good Japanamation on vidio
> casette in or around NYC?  

If you don't want to deal with mail-order, Steve Pearl has an "Anime
Shopper's Guide" list to NYC.  E-mail to pearl@remus.rutgers.edu.

Before You Ask Dept.:  The name "E. Kontei" above is a pun.  "Ekonte"
is the word for "storyboard", like an animation storyboard (I'm a
fan of Japanese animation).  My real name is in my signature.

(*)  The Katakana Question:  Actually, my name should be spelled as:
			E-N-RI-KE  KO-N-TI,
     but there's no "TI" sound in katakana.  Is it acceptable enough
     to use "TE-I"?  (Not to mention that it makes such a nice pun...)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			       Master of Science!
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: Tad Perry
Subject: QUICK AND DIRTY GUIDE TO JAPANESE
Summary: anyone who wants it can e-mail me
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:43:03 GMT

I have produced a QUICK AND DIRTY GUIDE TO JAPANESE. It's mainly for
people who have some experience with Japanese language but are
confused by it or forgotten parts of it or never learned it correctly.
It's rather short, but too long to post. It only covers two things:
particles and verb conjugations. The descriptions are meant to be
crisp and accurate with a minimum of extra baggage. The info presented
is supposedly enough to make yourself understood as long as you have a
dictionary or friend to build your vocabulary. All the information
necessary on how to plug a given word (in the form it appears in a
dictionary) into a sentence should be in the guide... At least that
was the intention. It's a 25K file and I'll e-mail it to anyone who
requests it. If response is really strong I'll probably post it in
parts.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Subject: Yokai Ningen (was Re: Japanimation)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:28:59 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Dec22.185332.2195@u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
[some "natsukashii" stuff deleted :-)]

>o One anime which lingers in my mind is the "Youkai Ningen".  I've 
>  only seen it a few times, perhaps in a rerun, but strangely it has
>  remained with me. It is about a family of not-quite-human characters 
>  (mom, dad, and a boy) who fights against evils and injustices of the 

	Well, actually they are not a family but they were born in the same
	lab.  The man's name is Bem, the woman Bera, and the boy Bero.  


>  world despite they themselves experience injustices from the society 
>  in the form of discrimination (they look different from an average 
>  human). They are forced to live a vagabond life because the hostilty 
>  becomes too great if they stay too long in one town.  At the end of
>  the opening theme of the program, one of the character cries out,
>  "Hayaku ningen ni naritai!" ("Oh, how I want to become human!").

	This is Bem's line.

>  We had a lot of fun with this phrase at my grade school :-)
>

	Yeah, we did, too!!


						Tetsuya Nishimra

	P.S.	Itsuwa Mayumi, a female singer who sang "Koibito yo," was once
		called Bera mostly because of her hair style and stage dress. 
		I think she had five fingers in each hand.  :-)
		(no offense to anyone intended, just in case)
From: jmkirkfi@COLBY.EDU ("Jason M. Kirkfield '93")
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: supply and demand of Japanese teachers
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:44:02 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

set NIHONGO no mail
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
Subject: Re: English/American
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 11:53:38 EST
Organization: Lost Tribes of Gazebo
Keywords: SCA, Urdu, Mongolian, Mongol

In article <1992Dec21.171713.13930@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid) writes:
>In <1992Dec21.162522.8774@infodev.cam.ac.uk> etg10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Edmund Grimley-Evans) writes:

>>What evidence is there for the theory that British and American English are
>>becoming more similar? I have the impression that the languages are today more
>>distinct than they were at the time of Edgar Allan Poe, but obviously I am
>>talking about the written languages, not the spoken languages.

>The world media system. For instance the English spoken in the U.S.A would
>have split in various sub-languages if it were not for televison and radio 

This seems to me to be an explanation in search if a phenomenon.  The
first poster was asking what evidence there is that British and
American English *are* becoming more similar, and Mr. Hamid explains
*why* they are.  But are they?  It's not clear.  

The notion that the influence of mass media leads to the levelling of
dialectal differences has been around for a while (I seem to recall
Bloomfield weighing in on it, though I don't remember which side he
was on), and there's any amount of anecdotal evidence in favor--and
worse, it's plausible, and often superficial accounts take
plausibility as a substitute for fact.  But--ignoring the fact that we
don't have a very good metric of "similarity" between dialects--I
haven't seen any real systematic empirical research establishing it.
I think we can assume that there's lexical borrowing between the two,
but that's about it.  Phonologically I don't see much convergence
(listen to an average American doing an impression of a "British
accent" some time :); morphosyntactically the differences are marginal
already.

The fact is, there are two standard languages recognized by all
speakers of BritE and AmE, and I would suppose each group is
influenced mostly by its own standard, not the other group's.  I could
imagine pervasive levelling to each standard (though I don't know if
that's really happening), but I can't imagine American English
becoming assimilated to the British standard or vice versa.  Does
anyone have any real evidence?

-- 
       Rod Johnson  *  rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu  *  (313) 764-3103
    
                "What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
                                          --Jim Dickinson
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: sci.lang,misc.writing,sci.logic,news.groups
Subject: Re: Rhetorical question
Keywords: rhetoric why-ask-why
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:15:10 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <6819@npri6.npri.com> 
eric@npri6.npri.com (Eric Williams) writes:

>(I'm surprised there's no group devoted to rhetoric... Maybe we
>don't get it. Maybe *I* don't get it. Oh, well...)

I hereby issue a request for discussion for sci.rhetoric, unmoderated,
with a self-explicable charter.

>Does anyone out there know of a rhetorical term (or maybe a logical
>one) for a statement that may be interpreted two different ways,
>with the result being the same basic meaning? For instance, a
>sign reads:
>
>	"No smoking section inside."
>
>This can be interpreted as 1) there are multiple seating sections, one
>of which is for non-smokers; 2) no smokers allowed at all.
>The implied result is that non-smokers will always be accommodated.
>I know this is just semantic fuzziness, but I thought it was fun 
>enough that someone might have labelled it. Email your thoughts to
>me, as my net-days are numbered (under a dozen).

Amphibology.

>-------- eric@npri.com ---------- or ---------- ...uunet!uupsi!npri6!eric -----
>   "We do not fear. We are great. Woldercan does not petition; she ordains."    
>Eric C. Williams/ NPRI/ Alexandria, VA/ USA/ (703) 683-9090/ Usual disclaimers.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usag.english
From: JAREA@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: "Nominative" absolute?
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:55:40 GMT

I seem to recall that Ulfilas' Gothic uses a Dative Absolute for the Greek
Genitive Absolute.  As Thurber said, "You could look it up."
 
Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usag.english
From: evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum)
Subject: Final(?) Draft of ASCII/IPA Representation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:43:26 GMT
Reply-To: kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

All-
  My profoundest apologies for my inexcusable tardiness.
Unfortunately, the tasks I get payed to do built up, and finishing
this off got a low priority.  Still, when you start a project, you owe
it to others to see it completed, and so, with things slowing down
before the holiday shutdown, and two people having emailed me for
copies, I finally got off my ass and got this finished.

Following-up to this document will be the latest (last?) draft of the
standard and a document attempting to explain the system for English
speakers for the benefit of non-linguists in alt.usage.english (and
elsewhere).

The changes since the second draft are as follows:

  M   is now back as a (labio-dental nasal) segment rather than as a
      diacritic signifying nasalization.  This keeps the rule that all
      letters are segment symbols, which I think is useful.

  ~   as a diacritic following vowels signals nasalization.  Following
      consonants, it still signals velarization (but not
      pharyngealization).

  <?> as a diacritic signals murmuring.

  <H> as a diacritic signals pharyngealization rather than murmuring.

  ;   as a diacritic signals palatalization.

Since I did not get any feedback on my 'r' proposal, I did not include
it in this draft.  It was

> 	- reserve /r/ for the more common {alv,trl} (instead of
>           /r<trl>/)
> 	- use /R/ for the American {alv,apr} (instead of /r/)
> 	- use /R-/ for {mid,cnt,rnd,vwl} which always seemed to me
>           exactly equivalent to "syllabic r". (instead of /R/)
> 
> This means that I pronounce "brother" as /'bR@ DR-/ instead of /'br@
> DR/.  (perhaps those "@"s should be "V"s).
> 
> I've seen "r with vertical underbar" used for this sound in place of
> "schwa with hook".  Do people feel that these need to be
> dinstinguished?  Or is there general revulsion at redefining a vowel
> as a syllabic consonant?
> 
> For those of you who feel the scheme is too anglocentric, this would
> have the added advantage of being the first common English segment
> that needs to be written with a diacritic. :-)

Again, sorry for the delay.

Evan Kirshenbaum		       +------------------------------------
    HP Laboratories		       | Feeling good about government is like
    3500 Deer Creek Road, Building 26U | looking on the bright side of any
    Palo Alto, CA  94304	       | catastrophe.  When you quit looking
				       | on the bright side, the catastrophe
    kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com	       | is still there.
    (415)857-7572		       |                   P.J. O'Rourke
From: JAREA@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: labio-velars to labials, but reverse?
Date: 2 Jan 93 01:19:29 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky

And Sard changes lating /kw/ to /b/:  not 'abba' = water, 'battoro' = four,
etc.  I believe that someone has already mentioned Oscan, with 'pid'
beside Latin 'quid'.  And, although it's not a "labio" velar, IE /dw/
ends up as Latin /b/ as in 'bis' for earlier '/dwis/, and 'bonus' for
earlier 'duenos'.
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: Need help with Mongolian (Urdu)
Date: 28 Dec 92 03:14:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <9954@fs3.cam.nist.gov> koontz@cam.nist.gov (John E. Koontz X5180) writes:

> `Mogul' is a variant of `Mongol'.  The Moguls considered themselves
> to be heirs of the Mongol royal line.  Conceivably the words `Ordos'
> and `Urdu' are related, too, though I am unable to verify that.  The
> languages, of course, are completely different in affiliation.  I 
> expect this is why Stolen Horse referred to the language as Mongol
> in the first place.

Mogul is a variant of Mongol but in this case it's one of mistaken
identity. Moguls were Turkic not Mongol. In the Central Asian
tradition, it became kind of fashionable for all rulers
to claim descent from Genghis Khan. There is some controversy
about him; whether he was a Mongolized Turk or if he just
claimed descent from the old traditional rulers.

The word Urdu, like the word horde is derived from Ordu, which
is Turkish for 'army'. I don't know what it means in Mongolian
although it could have been either borrowed into Turkic from
Mongolian or vice versa. It's also possible that the words
Orda (or Ordos) and Ordu are not related and are distinct.
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey