HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Subject: Re: knowing the OS & friends
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:33:30 GMT

In article 854@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca, pally@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Pally Hoffstein) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.171412.2795@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>>Pally,
>>Either I am attracted to then straight-away, and therefore spend time with
>>them, _or_ I meet them by some happenstance and continue to "cross paths"
>>with them by coincidence, and somewhere in there I decide that they are
>>either sexy as hell or that they piss me off.  If we each decide that the
>>other is "sexy as hell", no problem.  If it is a "unilateral attraction,
>>then, for the person with the attraction, it is pure torture to spend loads
>>of time with the one who does not have the attraction.
>>
>>Keith R
>
>Hold it a second here...
>Women are to you "sexy as hell" or they piss you off? Women you are attracted
>to are torture to be around when they're not interested back?
>You have a serious attitute problem when it comes to women. Here's some news
>for you: Women are people! They have thoughts that are fascinating to hear and
>are wonderful company. Even when they don't meet your sexy as hell standards.
>Women are more than potential dates and recepticles for your seed.
>Stop judging them outright by your "sexy/piss me off" standard and you might
>find that some women who are not sexy right away become so when you get to
>know them better. Get to know them as friends first. I have to know someone to
>a fair degree before I can say I'm really attracted to them (I.E. more than
>just physically attracted). I don't know how you meet women that are right for
>you by your method. My guess is you don't.
>
>I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with someone who I didn't feel was
>also a buddy/friend. Anyone else feel the same way?

Right you are, at least from my perspective. I think Keith has an awful lot
to learn. Friendship is MORE IMPORTANT than sex, IMO. Sex with MOTOS who are
also good friends is wonderful! Sex with strangers is emotionally damaging
(at least it has been for me), risky, and not much fun.

dreas  

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: What is gold-digging?
Organization: what's org. got to do with it?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:48:34 GMT

In article <47ri039qc4CW00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>Ah, maybe this is my problem; I've never been the one who didn't ask (I
>mean for a first date, that is).  Hey Piglet, do you know any women in
>this area?

Er, what area would that be?  Could be.  But do you really think
I'd share?


Piglet  <I suppose, if you ask nicely, and don't forget the
         blow job--unlike Muffy, I _don't_ get off with a kiss...
         ok, so sometimes...._definitely_ wrong newsgroup...>
From: pooh@Apple.COM (Pooh)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Ladies and gentlemen.... (was Re: Having one's genitals grabbed)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:28:36 GMT
Organization: Internet Refugee Camp

In the referenced article, misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:
>   And if any men claim they found Pooh's comments about dumping men by
>the roadside funny, I'll accuse them of "sucking up", so there!

Easy way out, Mark.  You can do better than that.

>   If I offended Pooh, she herself can complain (and I can flame her if
>she does).  She doesn't need a spokesman.

Oh, but Aahz and Julie weren't trying to speak for me; they were
speaking for themselves.  THEY found your remark offensive.

For the record, I thought your comment was just a stupid non-sequitur,
made not out of ignorance or malice but a misguided attempt to
be funny.  Now jjj's comment, implying that my experiences were my
own fault, was truly offensive.

The difference is that my jokes from six years ago were in
response to another joking thread (Dave Butler and the "sodder
sukker"), not in response to someone's serious article.

Pooh
	pooh@apple.com

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:52:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.213329.26927@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>
>Piglet, you are a breath of fresh air!

Don't breathe too deeply...

>Do you have a sister?
>Does she live in Philly?

No, but her boyfriend does.
And why weren't you at the boink?

>Is she free Sat. nite? :-)

Neither free nor cheap.  (Sorry, Jeem.)


Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance.chat,alt.romance,alt.personals
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: The TygerBoink Committee would like to thank you
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:13:40 GMT

Lisa Mae (AZLMH@ASUACAD.BITNET) wrote:

: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon) writes:
: >
: >I must definitely agree, TygerBoink was definitely the place to catch
: >a cold bug.
: >
: >*sniff*SNEEZE*
: >
:    That's funny, I seem to have lost my cold entirely. hmmmmmmmmm
: *grin*

That's because you didn't kiss *me*! :( :(
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

Who and what would you be if you went beyond your deepest fears?
Xref: sparky soc.singles:34023 soc.men:21229 soc.women:21518 ba.singles:2640 misc.legal:21378
From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women,ba.singles,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:15 PST
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <184627@pyramid.pyramid.com>,
 mwoo@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Margaret Woo) writes...
>Raise your hands...
>How many of you have ever suggested one of these contracts.
>Hmm...I count *none*.
> 
>Okay now...
>How many of you would tell the other party to *kiss off* if presented 
>with one of these contracts.
>Hmm...I count 256.
[Ellipses original.]

Reminds me of an article about various anti-AIDS campaigns around the world. 
Swedish television ran an ad showing a woman blowing up a condom like a
balloon, then saying, "If he won't put it on, tell him it's off."
[Citation omitted; it was in _Mother Jones_, approximately 1988-89.]

						Dan, ad nauseum
						Daniel Reitman
						DReitman@Oregon.UOregon.Edu 
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract 
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:52:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.155056.16147@amd.com> jmw@angelo.amd.com (John Wincn) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.061221.1500@netcom.com> rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec7.213702.22658@amd.com> jmw@angelo.amd.com (jmw) writes:
>>>
>>>Otherwise, I agree.  So, perhaps Mr. Rohwer can demonstrate his higher 
>>>maturity for the benefit of the studio audience, skip the 'sex contract'
>>>nonsense, and get that vasectomy. 
>>
>>Would I actually get one?  Maybe.
>>I am in the process of deciding what I want to do with sex, in terms
>>of birth control.  Would I announce that I got or will have a vasectomy
>>to the Net?  No.
>
>Ah, so is it fair to conclude that, should any woman develop a sexual 
>interest in you, you will feel no sense of responsibility for participating 
>in the act and should anything go wrong she is on her own?
>

     No.  If she and I had an agreement about what would happen in the
event of an unplanned pregnancy, lets say that we would give up the child
for adoption, and she decided to keep the child and demanded child support,
then because I would feel that she had lied to me and broke my trust in her,
I would have no qualms with turning my back on her and the child.  I do not
take too kindly to people who lie to me.  I have killed friendships when I
found out that a friend has lied.  Depending on how I classify the lie, I
view some lies as mortal sins in relationships.  I am using the term,
relationship, to describe personal as well as business relationships.

>If so, then I am certain you have done them all a big favor.  

     As long as we do not lie to each other then there will not
be that big of a problem.

-- 
                                         +---------------------------------+
  +-----------------------------------+ /      Not a net.personality      /
 /   // Mr. Tickle Monster   // Amiga ++---------------------------------+
|  \X/   W. David Rohwer   \X/  3000  /  Internet: rohwerwd@netcom.COM  /
+------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: helie@bach.udel.edu (Ray Helie)
Subject: Re: Where does one go?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:48:34 GMT

JoeMan@ (Joe Tooman) writes:

" I have asked the question to several people, single and otherwise.  
  Everyone has a different answer or no answer at all.  What is the question? 
  Where does one go to meet MOTOS? "

Well, here's yet another different answer.  You don't go anywhere to meet
them.  You just figure out what kinds of things you like to do, start
doing them, and then you will start meeting potential RP's, as well
as start making some new friends (of both sexes).  It works for me!  8-)


Ray

*  Ray Helie         8-)                   University Of Delaware   *
*  [helie@bach.udel.edu]                   Newark, DE               *
From: Lubosh <ljh655@cscgpo.anu.edu.au>
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Abortion
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:04:45 GMT
Organization: ANU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.49.21
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXDate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:05:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.211152.8808@sol.UVic.CA> dreas,
atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>This is the finest expression of my sentiments on the subject: BRAVO!!!!
>
>dreas
Oh, another bloody paternalist. Thanx, man.
L.J.
From: jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is NOT attractive to "SINGLE" men
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:36:10 GMT
	<1992Dec8.204333.11987@tandem.com>
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: leo@cpd.Tandem.COM's message of 8 Dec 92 20:43:33 GMT


In article <1992Dec8.204333.11987@tandem.com> leo@cpd.Tandem.COM (Leo Hejza) writes:

   What about the opposite. How can you convince a larger woman that you find
   their body attractive. It's a no win situation. You can complement them,
   obviously get aroused at the sight of them, etc. But if the self image
   is bad enough nothing works.

Very true.  People get _very_ attached to these decisions which they
have made about themselves.  And as we all (myself included) know, we
like to be right...

   It's almost as if they won't be happy until you agree that they are too
   heavy. Of course if you agree, even by not saying anything, then they are
   also unhappy.

   So here is the question to all of you net.women who consider themselves
   "overweight".  What could your SO do or say that would help you feel
   good about yourself, and what could be done or said that would convince you
   that you really were viewed as attractive?

Yup.  About all you can do is to keep challenging their negative
beliefs about themselves.  And maybe help them to find out when and
why they made such decisions about themselves.

It's hard to destroy a belief which you don't understand.  Part of
that understanding is knowing where the belief came from -- when and
why they decided that they are not attractive.  

   Life would be so much simpler if I could just get a peek at the source code.

Yup.  But you can -- the source code is the set of beliefs which you
hold.  All you have to do is keep exploring them...


Spidey!!!


--
You don't hunt ducks with a turnip! 

 /\ \  / /\  Josh Diamond                                          jmd@bear.com
//\\ .. //\\ AKA Spidey!!!                        ...!ctr.columbia.edu!ursa!jmd
//\((  ))/\\
/  < `' >  \                                              Do whatever it takes.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Subject: Flame & Fortune
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:10:03 GMT


In article 24904@rs6000.bham.ac.uk, pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) writes:
>dreas (atovorni@engr.UVic.CA) wrote:
>: In article 14228@rs6000.bham.ac.uk, pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) writes:
>: 
>: >But how big is this book dreas? You seem to be completing it very quickly.
>: 
>: About twenty pages of fine print so far. It's a good start and
>: very far from being completed. Only started writing it two days ago. </.)
>: 
>: Gimme a break!
>: 
>: dreas
>: 
>
>But dreas, will you still remember us when you are rich and famous?

How could I forget my friends without whose support this would be impossible?
 
>Come to think of it, you are famous already!

Warhol was wrong. 15 minutes is not enough! </.)
It might take some time to get rich, though. </.(

dreas
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Why spoil a friendship?
Keywords: as seen in alt.romance
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:11:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.184544.19560@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
|I just saw this in alt.romance...........................
|====================================================================
|
|>Article 27623 of alt.romance:
|>Newsgroups: alt.romance
|>From: panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio)
|>Subject: Re: The Scariest Words In The World?
|>Summary: Cop-outs and brush-off tactics of the immature
|>Date: Sun, 06 Dec 92 06:29:12 GMT
|>
|>In article <c60a-gx.723531535@danube.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-gx@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey Twu) writes:
|>
|>About not wanting to "spoil" a friendship with "romance"....

So why didn't you just leave it there.


-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
From: drmax@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marianna Max)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Women, Cats, & Chocolate
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:00:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Dec19.020005.6061
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <16002@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <JMD.92Dec17130946@lion.bear.com> jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:
>>
>|In article <1992Dec17.124123.6948@news.acns.nwu.edu> drmax@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marianna Max) writes:
>|
>|Was that supposed to be medication, or meditation?
> 
>No, it was supposed to be mediation.  Max brings her cat with her on dates
>to negotiate how the restaurant bill is paid.
>
Naw, I don't do that - I'm allergic to cats - but if you don't mind I'll 
bring my ferret. He's so good at uh ferreting out all the loopholes in the 
pre-dinner contract.

Max
From: bmeyer@feds12.prime.com (Bob Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:54:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision Corp.

Piglet writes:
|>  If I had a lousy time, and I NEVER want to see the other person again
|>  I'll stick 'em with the check
  
Marianna Max writes:
|> If I want to see them again, I feel comfortable letting them pay for the first date

 Yes, I've met both of these types of women, mostly the former :-)
 (apologies for quoting slightly out of context!)

 Personally, I'm happy to pick up the check the first few times if no other
 arrangements have been made and she doen't offer. If she does offer to split,
 or pay for the next one, etc. I will accept it.  After the first few times if
 the topic does not get resolved there are 2 choices (assuming you both still 
 want to keep seeing each other: 1) decide yes, I don't mind continuing to pay
 for this fine catch; or 2) talk to her about want kind of arrangement you would
 like to make about paying.  This is a good excercise in communication and meeting
 each others' needs that is helpful in a developing relationship. 

 ObDatingHorrorStory: one woman I dated developed the habit of, after I had finished
 paying for a bill, saying, "oh, you don't always have to pay for *everything* !". 
 finally I told her that if she really wanted to pay for something she could take out
 her wallet sometime, but if not I really didn`t want to hear about it.  We did
 not develop the communication and negotiation skills necessary for a developing
 relationship.

 Bob
  
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright)
Subject: Re: Attraction -> Acquiantance or vice versa?
Organization: The Cultural Elite
	<1992Dec10.213129.6300@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<lihdiqINN61i@news.bbn.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:10:33 GMT

kgorman@bbn.com (Karen Gorman) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.213129.6300@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, 
>mel@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Meloney D Cregor) writes:

>|> I have certainly met a few of those men who have a voice that can just 
>|> turn your knees to mush and so, I was trying to think what it is about
>|> some men's voices that do this. I didn't have much luck because I seem
>|> to be attracted ( or susceptable) to a wide range of voices and the
>|> only quality I can come up with in common is that they were 'inviting'.
>|> 
>|> So, does anyone else have a clue?

>For me, the tone of the voice gets me.  I love the sound of a DEEP, relaxed
>pace speaking voice, and one that doesn't speak too loudly, but doesn't 
>whisper
>either.  Needless to say, warm and inviting are mandatory requirements to
>compliment the deep tone and relaxed pace.  When all of these preferences are
>met, I too have melted.

I've wondered about why some men's voices seem so sexy, too, and haven't
really figured it out.  It's certainly not a necessary or even a sufficient
condition for me to be attracted to someone, but it sure can be a plus.  
I don't think "warm" is a mandatory one for me; I amuse my friends by 
raving about MacNeil's voice on MacNeil/Lehrer, though he's not high on
my Sex Gods list in other categories -- but anyway, he doesn't sound 
particularly warm...  I remember thinking other guys' voices were hot
because they always sounded like they were confiding something naughty.
Tenor/bass/whatever seems irrelevant to me (though it does bug me
when guys talk artificially low in a strained way; makes them sound 
like politicians or something).  

Oh, and the vocals at the beginning of the song "If You Have to Ask,"
by the Red Hot Chili Peppers... yum!  If you can stand the RHCPs, Karen,
I bet you'd like that song too... if so, send email, I'm curious.  :)

---Julie (who, however, doesn't really go for tattoos)
-- 
%  I wonder why it is that when I plan a route too carefully it      %
%  goes to pieces, whereas if I blunder along in blissful ignorance  %
%  aimed in a fancied direction I get through with no trouble.       %
%                      --- John Steinbeck (_Travels with Charley_)   %
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard)
Subject: Re: Women: would you go out with a man dumber than you?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:58:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.230028.3150@linus.mitre.org> lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn) writes:
>   In keeping with the spirit of a current thread, I'll pose this question 
>for (semi)serious responses.  When does an "intelligence" difference start 
>to matter?

Pour moi?  immediatment.

>This includes level of education difference as well as someone 
>who's book smart but has zero common sense.

*PERSONALY* I doubt I'd become involved with such a person (again).
Hey, I like *SMART* women who have a clue.  The only woman I've ever
met that I could fall completely in love with was far more intelligent
than I (and she could spell, too!).

Marcus.
-- 
__
Mark Earhard -      earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca -       05marcus@ac.dal.ca
Reclaimer:  GIVE ME THAT BACK THIS INSTANT!      BRING THE NOISE!
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Why spoil a friendship?
Keywords: as seen in alt.romance
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:52:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.184544.19560@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>I just saw this in alt.romance...........................
>====================================================================
>
>>Article 27623 of alt.romance:
>>Newsgroups: alt.romance
>>From: panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio)
>>Subject: Re: The Scariest Words In The World?
>>Summary: Cop-outs and brush-off tactics of the immature
>>Date: Sun, 06 Dec 92 06:29:12 GMT
>>
>>In article <c60a-gx.723531535@danube.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-gx@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey Twu) writes:
>>
>>people, but we can certainly choose whether or not to love them.
>>
>>There is a difference. A BIG one. But most people don't know it.
>>That's because the only growing up most people do is to acquire
>>the cynicism of embittered old age, rather than retain a certain
>>type of childlike, spontaneous wisdom into their "adulthood."
>>
>>This is why human evolution is so slow, in some ways...
>>
>>Victor
>
>
 
Typical sanctimonious crap that's always spewed out of a.r.c.
 
Childlike spontaneous wisdom? Their too kind in their self flaggelating
descriptions.

 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Re: Rambles
Keywords: Clues, Lives, other trivia
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:35:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.040032.5956@mtu.edu> rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi) writes:

[deleted] :)

It helps when things go awry to have a rye sense of humor.  I like
mine slightly toasted brown with goooey hunny dribbled ontopofit.

   songbird - on remote contrails and it still rains
                 emotive entrails (I dunno but it sounds like inner goo)
                 motif lite :)   (delicate fingers - repetitious digitosis)
                 rotated night  (day thyme)
                 knight nite   (good knight)
                 knight light (burning knight after dragon torched 'im :)

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Subject: Re: Women: would you go out with a man dumber than you?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:26:25 GMT
Organization: Trivializers R Us

In article <MARTINC.92Dec16200914@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.172504.29957@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>
>   I have to.
>
>No you don't.

I think maybe Piglet meant "dumb" in the sense of "mute."

But really, Charlie, we shouldn't comment adversely
on other people's compulsions.

paul