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From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:04:53 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <mvij.703174905@unix2.tcd.ie>  mvij@unix2.tcd.ie (madhav vij) writes:
> I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
> comes along !
Luck streak?  Its a long lucky streak, starting last year Fred has played well
in every major.

>
> Floyd lost the Masters , Couples just  played par golf .
> I don't know how he missed the putts on 11 , 12 and 13 .
Actually, Fred shot 70, playing convervative, 2 under par golf.
> Had his eagle gone in on the 15th , it might have been a different story .
If Freds ball went into the water on no. 12, if Raymond had hole the shot
on 16, if Corey, if Calcavecchia, ...

>
> All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
> player has to go cold sometime !!
>
I wouldn't bet on it...
Fred probably won't win at Pebble because he hits a high shot, if its windy,
I don't see him winning, although I expect him to be in the top 10.
For the US OPEN, the rough will be 4-6 inches, as oppose to Augusta, where its
an only inch (maybe next year they'll let it grow to prevent the low scores).
This will put a premium on hitting accurate drives or hitting it so far
that you are only hitting a short iron (like Daly did in the PGA).
If weather is good and Freddy is on, I think he can win, I don't think he
played that well at the Masters, and he still won.
Tom
From: DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: cavity back irons
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:38:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Iron Byron does make off center shots. I failed to make that clear in an
earlier posting. The testing I refered to involved forged blades and cavity
back cast irons. Iron Byron was set up for miss hits, a low hit on the heel, a
high hit off the toe, etc. The results were that cavity back, game improvement
clubs made no significant difference. Bad off center hits produced bad result
regardless of the club. The concept of forgiving cavity back irons is a myth.
The only way that cavity back irons make a difference is that the myth may
give a golfer confidence, thus enabling the golfer to make a better swing. The
physics of cavity back irons make no significant difference, significant
is the key word.I will search for the reference to the testing so you all can
see for yourselves.
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Draw/Fade
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:24:03 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <koenig.702309354@hydra> koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig) writes:
>jcampbel@metz.une.oz.au (MR J CAMPBELL) writes:
>>by the only golden rule - NEVER aim where a straight shot will get you into
>>trouble (i.e don't set up for a fade off the water - it's not a percentage
>>shot.
>Playing a draw towards the water is crazy, even the best intended draw can
>quickly become a hook, even if it stays as a draw it has a high percentage
>of rolling into the hazard.

We're talking about pros, here.  They aren't much concerned
about the probability of hitting the water.  They'd
recognize that the ball hits and rolls some 40 yards after
a 210-yard flight.  Therefore you need a 40-yard margin of
error when coming from the water onto the fairway.  By
hitting the draw, however, you turn the water into lateral
water, and need merely to err to the other side; you don't
lose 40 yards of your landing zone to bounce-and-roll.

				--Blair
				  "Of course, I hit like Dennis
				   Miller, so why listen to me..."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:55:32 GMT

filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:
: 
:    Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
:    practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
:    practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
:    rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
:    week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
:    found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
:    greatful if they would share it.

I think if anyone has successfully worked through this, they are 
part of the tour.
From: gmacdougall@trentu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:21:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <17883@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mahone@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Mahone) writes...
>In rec.sport.golf, filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:
>>   Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
>>   practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
>>   practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
>>   rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
>>   week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
>>   found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
>>   greatful if they would share it.
> 
>PRACTICE! PRACTICE!! and more PRACTICE!!! is your answer. You want o
>your swing to become as natural as breathing. Good luck and now go
>		       PRACTICE!!!!!!
> 

	It sounds like the first poster practices plenty but "feels different" 
on a course then on a range. This seems natural to me. Many books on golf 
"Golf My WAY" is still my favourite, point out that on a range it is easy to 
forget about targets (you have the whole range to hit) so you relax and the 
ball sails straight and true. On the course the fairways are encroached by 
woods, water, sand and other nasties that tend to play tricks with your mind.

	By concentrating on a very specific target on the range and going 
through a complete setup every time you can make your practice more game like 
and less like machine repitition (which accomplishes little except the 
exercise). Then on the course, again pick out a very specific target and focus 
on the destination of the ball, not the hazards. In theory if you train your 
mind to be thinking about targets all the time you can more easily make the 
adjustments from range to fairway.

	Final disclaimer, this wisdom is from stuff I've read. I still hit 
practice balls better then game balls, but not significantly different to ruin 
the enjoyment if the game.

							George MacDougall
							gmacdougall@trentu.ca
							
	Trent University - Computer Services Department - (705) 748-1602
        Peterborough, Ontario - K9J 6S2      
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ross@kaos.ingr.com (Ross Erickson)
Subject: Re: Masters
Reply-To: ross@kaos.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:46:43 GMT

>
>Note the european influence to my choice. Us europeans have ruled the
>golfing world for quite some time and will continue to do so for ages.
>
>What say you.
>
Need I remind the honored gentleman from Oxford of the team
competition in last year's Ryder Cup championship?  (God I love
talking like John Major).  Might he be reminded of the past several
winners in the U.S. Open, the Players Championship (where European
players abound), the PGA Championship, and our fair share of the past
10-15 Master's green jackets?  I will grant the honored gentleman from
Oxford of the miraculous string of British wins at Augusta, a string
that is to be broken this week.

Cheers.


Ross Erickson
Intergraph Corporation
ross@kaos.b23b.ingr.com
"Illigitimus Non Carborundum"
"Opinions are mine, not my employers, for which they are eternally
grateful"
From: Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Masters
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:32:46 GMT
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3


|
|Note the european influence to my choice. Us europeans have ruled the
|golfing world for quite some time and will continue to do so for ages.
|
|What say you.
|
|Need I remind the honored gentleman from Oxford of the team
|competition in last year's Ryder Cup championship?  (God I love
|talking like John Major).  Might he be reminded of the past several
|winners in the U.S. Open, the Players Championship (where European
|players abound), the PGA Championship, and our fair share of the past
|10-15 Master's green jackets?  I will grant the honored gentleman from
|Oxford of the miraculous string of British wins at Augusta, a string
|that is to be broken this week.

|Cheers.


|Ross Erickson



Well one can be wrong sometimes. One is not perect all of the time is one.
We nearly took the Ryder Cup back home with us last time, just a small slip
up in certain places. I respect the views of Ross in that Americans have 
won most of the competitions he mentioned but what about the majors played
over here. Mr N Faldo, Mr S Lyle and people like Mr S Ballasterous have 
been winning every season.

Ross, if you are a golf player, may all your birdies be around the greens
and not the feathered kind, and dont forget, head down.

Alan
From: rcw@crosfield.co.uk (bob wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:42:18 GMT
Reply-To: rcw@crosfield.co.uk (bob wilson)
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <1992Apr13.195105.185954@zeus.calpoly.edu> eanderso@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric W. Anderson "ERK") writes:
!>>I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
!>>comes along !
!>>   I feel that an American will win the Open , perhaps a retention by Payne
				       ^^^^^^^^
	I think people, are under a misunderstanding here. There is
only one OPEN that is THE OPEN, otherwise known to americans as the
british open. But notice, we leave out the british part! That is
because it does not host a field of 90% british, unlike the US open to
which you are referring. (If it did we would probably get stuffed
anyway.) THE OPEN includes MANY international players, not just the
token antipodean african or jap.

!>>   Stewart or maybe Calcavekkia (sp?) ,Pavin , Davis Love .
!>>     I do hope that Raymond Floyd can win , although i doubt it .

	Continuing... If you want to pretend to dominate events don't
invite a fair international representation, seems to work for two of
the US majors.

!>>All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
!>>player has to go cold sometime !! 
!>>
!>
!>But he did play cold...otherwise he would of won by 10 strokes...BTW I don't
!>think Floyd lost anything at all...he was still a cut above the field
!>regardless.

	Lets not get carried away by this either, Couples IS without
doubt the best player in the world at the moment, and this likable
unassuming bloke deserves it, but competition is very tough these days
and, as we've seen with Faldo, Ballesteros, et al players go through
good and bad patches. Similarly they need a bit of good fortune (12th)
and some bloody long putts to drop.
	You will not see the Nicklaus type domination(he's still
excellent) of years ago, from any part of the world in the future.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: dbeattie@cse.unl.edu (Derek Beattie)
Subject: Northwestern Woods
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:23:41 GMT

The only experience I have had with Northwestern woods is
using them to start a fire.  ...kidding
From: David.J..Moore@f40.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David J. Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Test Message
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:33:00 GMT
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From: agupta@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ashish Gupta)
Subject: Looking for used golf clubs .....
Originator: agupta@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:50:52 GMT

I am looking for the following golf clubs:

1. Metal woods (#'s 1, 3, 5)
2. Putter

Please respond to "agupta@cs.stanford.edu" or call me at 415-424-0516.
If you could recommend a good place to buy clubs at a reasonable price,
I would appreciate the information.
Thanks

Ashish


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: gmacdougall@trentu.ca 
Subject: Re: Beginner's clubs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.165126.25887@cbnews.cb.att.com>, dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme) writes...
>There's been a lot of talk lately about the clubs the pros
>use.  But I'd like to see some discussion on clubs that beginners
>should use - particularly ladies.  
> 
>David DeLorme
>AT&T Bell Labs
>614 860-2019

	Without getting into another discussion on Northwesterns, I think you 
are doing well by purchasing any type of Ladies clubs for your wife. They tend 
to be shorter, lighter, and have more flexible shafts. All design changes for 
the "normal" woman's swing.

	I would also like to suggest that MEN that are starting consider using 
women's clubs for the first year. I learned on women's clubs when I was in 
high school and they were easier (less frustrating) to control and develop a 
swing pattern with. When I switched to men's clubs my swing was in place and 
the conversion was painless.
							George MacDougall
							gmacdougall@trentu.ca
							
	Trent University - Computer Services Department - (705) 748-1602
        Peterborough, Ontario - K9J 6S2
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:51:01 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr9.154609.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
>WEAR PRINGLE JUMPERS

Obviously a peasant....

Judge Raz

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From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:52:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


 In article <griffinb.703178291@unix1.tcd.ie> griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:
 >In <mvij.703174905@unix2.tcd.ie> mvij@unix2.tcd.ie (madhav vij) writes:
 >>In <griffinb.703163520@unix1.tcd.ie> griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:
 >
 >>>Great win by Couples at Augusta yesterday. I was actually hoping he
 >>>would miss the par putt on 17 to make the climax more exciting, but it
 >>>just goes to show what a great temperament the man has now got.
 >
 >>I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
 >>comes along !

If he is playing the Heritage, then I would STILL keep an eye on Freddy.

 >>   I feel that an American will win the Open , perhaps a retention by Payne
 >>   Stewart or maybe Calcavekkia (sp?) ,Pavin , Davis Love .
 >>     I do hope that Raymond Floyd can win , although i doubt it .

Keep doubting Ray Floyd, and keep being prepared to be surpised.

 >>Floyd lost the Masters , Couples just  played par golf .
 >>I don't know how he missed the putts on 11 , 12 and 13 .
 >>Had his eagle gone in on the 15th , it might have been a different story .

I was pleased to see Raymond keep playing well after hitting in the water on
the 12th on Friday - add that to the top of list for the week because it
surely cost him - what if Freddy's ball had made the creek on Sunday?

 >>All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
 >>player has to go cold sometime !! 

I am sure all the tour players believe that one! :-)

 >
 >What lucky streak are you talking about, Madhav? Are you saying that
 >Floyd's birdie on 14 was'nt lucky and he intended it to clatter into the
 >hole?

That was a hell of a shot!  Freddy's play of 14 on Sunday convinced me that
he would win and deserved to win - very nice after the trouble on 13.
I think that 14 and 7 are the two underrated holes on the course - 14
must have more tough pin placements than any other hole.

 >Couples played solid, good quality golf throughout the Masters and
 >could well go on to win many more majors. He may be on a hot streak but
 >that does'nt mean he's on a lucky streak!

Amen.

 >
 >It seems pretty obvious that an American will win the US Open because
 >the Europeans have done crap. I think the US Open is probably the
 >hardest major to win and,

No doubt.

 >like any US Open course Pebble Beach is tough.
 >Which reminds me of the piece of "luck" Tom Watson had there!

Yep, but not as lucky as Larry Mize winning the Masters.

later,mike
-- 
Mike Marler                        |
Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |   "Dar's two sets of rules."
uucp: !gatech!prism!ccastmm	   |                          -- Paris Trout
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
From: zentner@aliphatic.ecn.purdue.edu (Mike Zentner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: the secret is out
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:44:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In various articles, lotsa people write:

> Pings Suck.
> Technology should not improve your game, practice should.

I don't like Ping either.  It's not because of high tech or any
of those reasons.  I've tried them on several occasions and could
not play with them.  I don't like the look, but the worst part is
I can't stand the feel and they don't really make me play any better.
A Ping aficionado friend of mine who has placed an order for the new
Zings loves them and plays a real good game, but the kicker is that
I think he plays better with regular Hogan Apex blades, and his best
round ever was with an old cheapo set of Sam Sneads.  As for me, I 
much prefer the feel of the forged clubs (didn't care much for the 
845s either), so I'm getting a new set of Hogan Edge GS's (but I 
guess cavity back is one of those technological advances that ruins
golf, huh?)

As to the point of technology ruining the game, I just don't believe
it...at least not to the same extent as some of you.  Grooves that
don't conform to spec, yes that's definitely disobeying the spirit of
the law as well as the letter.  But things like cavity back and clubs
made to correct slices or hooks or balls that go farther?  Why not?  If
you've honed your swing, chances are that you're much better practiced
than the guy who buys these special correcting clubs anyway.  If balls
start to go farther, so what?  It doesn't help you where the game is
won and lost....on the green and around the green.  And, finally, for
those of you who complain about slow play, maybe a set of slice
correcting clubs is going to make those weekend duffers in front of you
not hit as many balls in the rough and speed up play some.

I would like to see a discussion of just what constitutes an unfair
technological advantage:

   Metal over wood?
   Graphite vs steel?
   cavity back vs blade?
   and so on...

--
Mike Zentner
Purdue University, CHME Building       zentner@ecn.purdue.edu
West Lafayette, IN 47907               pur-ee!zentner
From: tubis@cs.purdue.EDU (Charlotte I. Tubis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: golf rules
Keywords: rules
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:28:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

I am just starting to learn how to play golf.  I need
a good book on the rules of golf.  Can you recommend one?
From: crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Masters selection
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:38:18 GMT
Organization: CRI, Leiden University, the Netherlands.


Here is my pick for the masters
 1: Ballesteros
 2: Couples
 3: Faldo
 4: Olazabel

 Please not 3 europeans in the first 4 in my selection



  cheers Tony Rosmalen

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From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 23:13:20 GMT
Subject: Re: anti-Couples
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf


>   John Daly is listed as 5'11", 175lbs.  Drove 288.9 avg. in '91
                            ^^     ^^
                 One of these numbers has got to be wrong.
           He's got to be shorter, or somebody is being very
           kind about how much that spare tire weighs.

 
>   Fred Couples is listed as 5'11", 185lbs.  Drove 280.7 avg. in '91

            This looks about right.


> TV lies.

  I agree.
From: kklier@lonestar.utsa.edu (Keith W. Klier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: masters question
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:04:15 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


  Would someone please inform me of what the requirements for the masters are?

   It would be appreciated.

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From: clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: CRAP GOLF
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:46:09 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
WEAR PRINGLE JUMPERS
Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:18:44 -0400 
From: John Joseph Posavatz <jp5m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Texas courses

Fellow golfers,

I might be transfering to the University of Texas next spring and was
wondering if anybody who reads this bboard is aware of the courses one
can play in Austin.  Thanks alot.

						- John
From: bmurphy5@darwin.helios.nd.edu (brennan murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Profesional Golf Scores--posting request
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:34:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr6.173452.3065
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

Is anyone interested in posting pro golf scores to the net?  Maybe a group[ could be formed to do this from time to time.  Also, is anyone interested in starting a rec.sport.golf.pro newsgroup?  This would seem to be beneficial considering all the postings in rec.sport.golf that concern pros.  I am only a newuser so this is only meant as a suggestion to those who may know how to go about doing these things.  For anyone interested, my specific problem is tracking down my older brother's scores.  He has play



ed on tour for 2 yrs and is noew playing on the Hogan tour.  The newspapers don't always list the full field's scores and I am left wondering.  Because Im just a poor college kid, long distance phone calls to my parents back in New Mexico every monday is just not feasible.  
.