From: tibbs@karazm.math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 21 Aug 1992 18:51:01 GMT
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I always enjoy a spirited debate.  I was enjoying this one until...

"Robert" == Robert Dorsett <rdd@cactus.org> writes:

Robert> I thought not: just another modern student-activist who shows up
Robert> the pro- choice rally, does her "thang," jumps back in her BMW, and
Robert> goes off to party.

Ah, the inevitable attack on the person instead of the idea.  Debates
have a tendency to go on with the partied getting more and more excited
until one of them blows their cool and makes themself look like a fool.
Looks like this debate just had a blowout.

Remember, now, that nobody knows my position on this issue.  And it really
doesn't matter.  I just wish that somebody would learn how to argue.

Robert> Yeah, so what?  The difference is that they eventually decide to
Robert> blow their own brains out.  I don't make the decision for them.

This seems funny.  Is the arguer anti-death, or just anti-abortion?

Robert> Nah, you're quite right, Lorra.  The poor are *such* downers.
Robert> Gawd, I can hardly bear to meet the eyes of the beggars on street
Robert> corners, any more, don't you know?  Let's round 'em all up, march
Robert> 'em into concentration camps, and put the poor wretches out of
Robert> their misery, eh?  No way your white, middle-class children should
Robert> grow up seeing such a thing, eh?  Out of sight, out of mind, even
Robert> if it's six feet under.

Is there somewhere one can go to get Ms. Moore's financial data and
personal history?  Actually, I'm sure there is but has the arguer done
this?  How have you managed to deduce Ms. Moore's race?  Telepathy?

I also like the concentration camp motif.  Now, hang that poster of Hitler
on the wall and the argument will have reached the pinnacle of discourse.

Robert> Yes.  When it's a choice of desperate poverty, or being marched
Robert> into the gas chambers by your kind, definitely yes.

I never knew that an abortion was actually a contract stating that the
mother had to carry the child to term, then submit it to be summarily
executed.

Robert> No, you're a college-educated sociopath, a spoiled little brat
Robert> who's been educated beyond her intelligence, who has no capacity
Robert> for human empathy.  A typical specimen of your kind.

Well, let's see:  the arguer now knows Ms. Moore's educational background,
her temperament, her brain capacity, and her emotional capacity.  And he has
a list of 200 names of others of "her kind".

Robert> And, typical of children in your age group, you have this
Robert> compulsion to rebel against authority, using "religion" as a
Robert> sufficiently "traditional" symbol.

Now he has her age, too.  I'd really love to find out how he manages it.

Robert> I simply find the concept of killing people, or *defending* the
Robert> practice of killing people, on the basis of economic exped- iency,
Robert> repugnant.

I have yet to hear her advocate killing "people" according to her
definition.  Therefore your argument makes no sense here.

Robert> Grow up.  Join the Army or the Peace Corps, see the world, grow a
Robert> personality.  Maybe we'll take you seriously, then.

Now he knows her military background and her personality.  It really looks
as of Mr. Dorsett and Ms. Moore know each other quite well.  Somehow I
think that they would both deny it....
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