HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: U.S. students poor performance in math/science = bull
Date: 26 Sep 1992 20:02:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

>classes. What are those science fairs? Is that something of the kind
>of Olimpiades?
>
>Yury
>
>

Science Fair is something of a junior research project. They start in the 3rd
grade and carried on all the way to 12th grade. The student picks a thesis,
writes a hypothesis, then does research and then writes a paper, proving or
disproving the hypothesis. The range of the research can be amazing: my 
classmate did research on some AIDS-correlated factor in DNA or something like
that together with UC Irvine professor and he went as far as London with his
paper, whereas one of my other classmates did the research on the color of the
bubble gum and got nothing.  There are also Olympiads in America. For example,
there is a Science Olympiad, offered on Regional, State and National levels and
the high school team, of which I was the part, took 1st in one of the So. Calif.
regional olympiads. There are also math olympiads - it is a uniform multiple-
choice test, with Skanavi (if you know him) type problems. Those who pass, take
another test, this time you have to find the solution and code into the
scannning sheet (Scantron). Those who pass that test, get to go to Washington and
participate in All-American Math competition. The same thing exists in Chemistryand Physics, English and other subjects.
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Funding of the xSU's space program?
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:15:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: golem.rabjab.182.0
Organization: sio
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu


How is the xSU's space program funded?  Taxes of the general population,
profits from sales of raw materials to other countries, other?

I am completely lacking in knowledge concerning the way government
raises funding for large projects in the xSU.  

What are the short and long term prospects for continued funding
of the xSU space program?

Who decides what the space program does?

Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: NEW VISA SYSTEM FOR CIS
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:16:09 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <92272.102555IO81373@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <IO81373@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> 
>      I heard on CNN the other day something to this effect:  To
> make the CIS more open to Western media journalism, alot of visa
> restrictions were being lifted.  I'd guess this wasn't a big story
> to them, because there was no mention of the new requirements.
> 
>      Question being:  What do I have to do as an american wanting
> to visit the CIS in order to get a Visa NOW????  I just spent a year
> in Austria and didn't get to the CIS because the visa requirements
> were so strict (required basically that I either go with a group or
> that I'm invited by someone).  Is all this a thing of the past??
> 
> Thanks,   Dougly
> 
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> %%Douglas Julien| "It's our own world we paint, |371 Colege Ave #18 %%
> %%aka Dougly    | and I want the brightest, I   |  Orono, Maine     %%
> %%aka Almdudler | want flourescence..."   FNM   |    04469   USA    %%
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> %%nor of the Universitaet Salzburg, but what do they know???????    %%
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> %% "Die meisten verarbeiten den groessten Teil der Zeit, um zu leben%%
> %%und das bisschen, das ihnen von Freiheit uebrigt bleibt, aengstigt%%
> %%sie so, dass sie alle Mittel aufsuchen, um es los zu werden."     %%
> %%                                                -J.W. Goethe      %%
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Dear Dougly,
I cannot answer your question but if you need to get in inventation and
are not ablt to get one, e-mail me privetly: you reasons to visit CIS
 your legal first and last name
company name (if you are not with company, just make up a name!) business address if it is the same as residents just call it business, phone number and 
passport number. I will give you a business inventation valid for one year.
It should speed everything up for you. I will answer any questions regarding this matter over e-mail only.
Good luck and best wishes.
This offer is free and valid if approved. (I will help everybody who wants to study CIS or has a project toward establishing contacts with CIIS or who wants to help people over there.
g.v.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Muravsky?....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:59:56 GMT

Yesterday, at a car-breaks place, I picked up a magazine with a story 
about new Moscow police chief, Muravsky.  Article describes him as a very
liberal person with extreme (for Russia) views.  I did not have much time
to read the whole article, but maybe someone can fill me (and others) in on
this individual and his progressive views.

---Garik.

ps. I hope you will also include your personal opinion about him.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Citizenship laws in Russian Federation.
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:10:49 GMT



avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
: In article <gunars.717455952@spssig> gunars@spss.com (Gunars V Lucans) writes:
: 
: After all, Russians, Poles and other minorities in Estonia aren't
: immigrants because they are de-facto permanent residents. The
: difference is between non-admitting (which is the standard practice)
: and expelling (as a consequence of denying citizenship and property
: rights). Threating at least 40% of population as people of the 
: second sort is a good start for a "new" country.
: 
: >BTW, does anyone know what the citizenship status is of someone born
: >in the US when their parents are illegal immigrants?  Just curious :-).

Well there are different praxis in Europe in generally, btw Iceland
demand that a foreigner who is given an icelandic citizenship takes
AN ICELANDIC NAME!

But in generally there has been such a long discussion about the Estonian
citizensip laws that anyone should already know which they are
 who have followed
the newsgroup.

I would be interested in the Citizenship Laws of Russian federation

For instance:

1. Does Russian Citizenship law allows dual citizenship?
2. How long time a citizen of a foreign country should stay
in Russian Federation before he/she can apply citizenship?
3. Do a descendant of foreign citizens become autamatically 
Russian citizen??
-if the other parent is not a russian citizen how the citizenship
is given then, does it follow mathriarchal line or pathriarchal
line or is it demanded that both parents are russian citizens
4. Can illegal immigrant stay in Russia and apply for citizenship?
5. Can a foreigner OWN land in Russia?
6. Can a non-russian speaker demand  that the authorities serve her/him
in her/his own language?
7. Which are/which is the official language of Russian Federation?

-for instance which language is used in the army
-are there army units for the non-russian speakers
-are the laws translated into the minority languages and in which scale
-in which scale there is for the non-russian speakers  existing
education and other services and institututions in theory and praxis-
along the laws and in practise given economical means...

8. Why the russian passports name the ethnic orgin of the passport holder?

These are some aspects of citizenship matters. Some netters at least of
Russian origin should give information about those things.

Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti













Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: American Education/Soviet Education
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:03:56 GMT

In article <BvH3ty.GKu@cs.columbia.edu> igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich) writes:
>God is God, not god... (sorry)

You may be talking about different gods.  
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:58:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.003523.18023@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.215011.2154@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.211931.8246@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>>>In article <BvCppD.9pv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
>>>>
>>>>As for good movies, depressive or not, America provide plenty of those.
>>>>More than SU in any case, where most films suffer from bad acting and bad
>>>>montage.
>
>>comparing the best actors here and there, en masse they are much
>>better here.
>>
>
>	I respectfully disagree. I also disagreer with the en masse
>formula for evaluation of this kind.
>

You misquote me here - I was not comparing the best actors - you cut
out a line. Anyway even if we compare the best actors I would not
agree with you.   

>
>	Anyway, we can argue about the names, particular films,
>numbers etc., but one thing is obvious : In USSR cinema was ART , here
>it is very often something between dinner and desert

Garbage, for most people it was just entertainment. Also
you cannot discard the names this easily - sorry. There may be
thousands of shitty films produced here but as far as the ART is
concerned the names I listed before, Jarmusch, Woody Allen etc.,
produce real ART.

>IN USSR WE DID NOT BYE POP-CORN IN THE MOVIES. Detail? Yes, but
>incredibly characteristic detail. 

No it is not - there we had ice-cream and soda and cakes and
chocolates. But even if we had not, you cannot be serious when you
tell me that one's liking of popcorn and coke somehow interferes with
appreciating art.


>
>	How about the recent OSCARS? What do you think?
>How about Beauty and the Beast? How about nominations for best effects?
>How about Terminator 2?

You are dealing with the wrong premise. Nobody claims that the best
effects nominations imply that the movie is very artistic. All it
does implies is that it has great effects. OSCARS is just a giant
promotion for a number of movies - so what?

The bottom line is that among junk excellent movies are produced here
- no worse than the best movies back in Russia.

Leonid.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:39:15 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.13 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

This discussion on spelling reminds me of our great leader Nikita
Hruschev who said something along the lines "it is not important
how a word is spelled as long as he (Nikita) could understand it".
Needless to say, this is very much the same sentiment as heard
on this thread.

Bad spelling is not a sign of a weak brain, it is a sign of lack
of literary education. A person who does not spell well, quite
obviously has not read much (unless his/her memory is in bad shape,
and then it is a sign of weak brain).
Of course, if a person is a writer and not a reader, then he is
excused, and everyone else should be grasping for his divine
revelations.

Oleg
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Cyrillic Terminals
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:54:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <Bvq6rE.Mrx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs) writes:
> The easiest way to go is just to find an original IBM PC with a
>Hercules card and a serial card--most organizations have a few of

Can you load fonts into plain Hercules card? I tried with compatible,
without luck.

Yury
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: K12 education (was: Re: Spelling...)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 13:30:12 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


Garik, you are neatly substituting subject of K12 education with college
education. In lower grades of K12 system there is very little room for
self-improvement. When you own children start going to school, perhaps,
you will look at it differently. Although I would still argue that Russian
college education is a bit better than American one, the difference there
is not so dramatic as with the K12 one.


Oleg V

"O, zhenschiny ! Nichtozhestvo - vam imya" - Vil'yam Shekspir
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: languages in ex-Soviet Union
Date: 3 Oct 1992 17:35:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Ukrainian, Byelorussian

In article <1992Oct3.085801.11372@hippo.ru.ac.za> piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings) writes:
>
>understand Belorussian.  Is it because they are ethnic Russians who
>never spoke it anyway, or is it because the language has suffered a
>similar fate to that of, say, Welsh in the UK, in that people realized

I think that mostly because this language is more or less Soviet invention,
before 1917 as far as I know there were no nominal Belarus language, as well
as no substantial literature. So there was set of dialects diverging from 
Russian toward Polish/Lithuanian... At least that is what some Belorussians
told me. To some lesser extent same is true for Ukrainian. 

BTW , can anybody write how how Belaja Rus' formed historically?

Yury
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Solaris - the "freeway sequence"
Date: 6 Oct 1992 18:17:43 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

>I am mystified by the length of the "freeway sequence" in the first
>half of the film.  What point was Tarkovsky trying to make by 
>lingering on images of cars zooming along a Japanese freeway?

The film was intended for Soviet auditory which mostly never saw freeways
(and the film is rather old and the "zooming" in multilayered intersections
wasn't common even in the West). The purpose of this particular sequence
is the same as other long actionless scenes in Solaris -- to maintain
suspension. While "grass in water" scenes (reportedly shot at the park
of "Kashinko" psychiatric clinic) are calm, earthly and somehow surrealistic
the "freeway sequence" produces quite uneasy feeling of (surrealistic as
well) humanless and mechanistic alienation modern people are learned
to ignore in their daily life. The restlessly moving  and wordless figure
of a girl on the backseat (remember?) reminds some half-scared and
half-curious animal trapped in a strange incomprehensible and generally
unfriendly glass-and-metal box. I think this scene is intended to outline
the feeling of loss the hero (Chris) feels by giving up his small green
harmonic world for the big futuristic world of machines and alien space.

Well, the above interpretation is rather simplistic (my writers skills
aren't sufficient to express subtlier feelings) but so far i never felt
this scene is out of place or too long. To me it is like a nightmare which
is strangely attractive (i think everybody has experienced such ones --
when you want to leave it, "walk out" and can't but not because something
outside holds you but because your gaze transfixed on it, like on movements
of deadly poisonous snake).

Take a look. Surreal is around us.

Enough psychoanalysis for today :-)

--vadim
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Spelling...
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:29:49 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1ai81bINNl6d@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1992Oct02.133106.17836@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>>
>>Dostoevsky asks in Anna Karamazoff, why there are so many average individuals
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Not so bad for professional spell-checker.

where's the problem? 'xplain, pls.
>
>Yury
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Is America that bad?...
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:41:39 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Sep26.174037.20708@news2.cis.umn.edu> peskin@staff.tc.umn.edu (Yury Peskin) writes:
>In article <809nyz_.oleg@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>>>>   Perhaps you heard of Bill Gates. He's a college dropout.
>>
>>Gates was, is and will be a geek.  The "secret" of his success is a
>>bundle of money his parents were willing to pour into his garage project,
>>a few prudent buy-outs, hiring a number of very sharp programmers and a
>>foresight to have an astute lawyer write up his contract with IBM.  Since
>>then he has shown himself to be an OK businessman who listens to his
>>engineering staff and is willing to pay good money to buy talent.  
>>
>>Back when Gates was involved in the technical aspects of the business (the
>>days of Microsoft Basic and early MS/DOS) he did not need (or demonstrate)
>>much knowledge of software engineering.  
>>-- 
>>Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
>
>He did, however, write a bootstrap program in assembler in
>5 days.  Can you?

Hmm. Typical bootsrap is less than 150 asm lines with well defined
interface (usually shoud be less than 512 bytes). Why it should take five days?

Can I? Any system programmer can.
For me last time it took 1.5 days with debugging and 
then rewriting to boot more than one OS (and, btw, without
well-defined interface).

>==============================================================
>We The Willing, Led By The Unknowing, Are Doing The Impossible
>For The Ungrateful.  We Have Done So Much For So Long With So
>Little, We Are Now Qualified To Do Anything With NOTHING.
>==============================================================
>Yury Peskin at peskin@staff.tc.umn.edu
>-- 
>==============================================================
>We The Willing, Led By The Unknowing, Are Doing The Impossible
>For The Ungrateful.  We Have Done So Much For So Long With So
>Little, We Are Now Qualified To Do Anything With NOTHING.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:39:03 GMT


You people seem to be talking about two different things (at least from my 
point of view), which are namely the "intelligence" and "memory/ability to 
memorize". I don't think that the two are completely equivalent, though, 
definitely, an intelligent/educated mind would with high probability
memorize things better than an unintelligent/uneducated/untrained one. 
So it seems that your argument is, as most arguments I've spectated or 
participated in, an argument about definitions, and you will never prove
anything to each other by just repeating over and over your point of view.
You have to start with something you all agree upon. BTW, this thesis I have
already seen on this net several days ago in connection with somebody's
"constructive argument" - anybody remembers what it was? And please, no
sarcastic flames of the kind "Thanks for teaching us, stupid children" - I 
have noticed several people on this net who like to do that for the lack
of argument - this is just my point of view, nothing more...

--Igor

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: American Education/Soviet Education
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 09:09:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.193828.36376@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>>Yeah, Cthulhu in the One God!
>Right! And Vishnu, and Krishnu, and Zeves and Chronos - 
>all of them are *IN* One God!

Exactly.  Cthulhu ate them all, except for those He saved in case ge gets
hungly later.  But then the Old Ones came and the rest is history.  
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: languages in ex-Soviet Union
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:05:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct3.085801.11372@hippo.ru.ac.za> piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings) writes:
>In <1ai50nINNl6l@mizar.usc.edu> miwalker@mizar.usc.edu (Michael Walker) writes:
>
>>I can't offer you any information about the Ukraine, but I think its a
>>safe bet that they are using there own language and replacing Russian
>>as much as possible.  But I was in Belarus this summer, and I can tell
>>you that they have begun to replace ALL Russian road signs, and seem to
>>have adopted the policy of substituting Belorussian language throughout
>>the country.  Obviously this has only resulted in spotty changes so far. 
>
>Re your comment below (for some reason I can't get the cursor past the
>end of your last sentence so I'm forced to comment here):  Why do you
>think that it is the case that so many citizens of Belarus don't
>understand Belorussian.  

    A minor correction: most of them understand Byelorussian very
    well, but never speak the language.  I am originally from Minsk,
    and the only place in the city where B. was spoken was the B.
    Writer's Club by people who made living writing in B.

.............................Is it because they are ethnic Russians who
>never spoke it anyway, or is it because the language has suffered a
>similar fate to that of, say, Welsh in the UK, in that people realized
>that if they wanted their kids to get ahead they ought to teach them the
>dominant language - in this case Russian.

    The answer is "yes", but those were relatively minor factors.
    The major factor was that people in the cities spoke Russian, while those
    in the country  - Byelorussian.  As a result, Byelorussian was 
    widely perceived to be a "peasant" language, and people with even a
    trace of B. accent were ridiculed.  Imagine what would happen in this
    country if all rednecks spoke a distinct English dialect; would you
    want to use _their_ language (except for anekdotes of certain kind)?

    This situation where lower classes speak a language that is different 
    from the one that the "cultural elite" is hardly unique: 19th century
    Russian aristocrats often spoke French as their first language;
    at some point in its history the Polish-Lithuanian kingdom used
    Byelorussian in their official court language, the Khazar's ruling
    elite converted to judaism (flames > s.c.j) and, presumably, used
    Hebrew during the official religious ceremonies...

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