HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:25:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.205035.9006@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
|I have yet to encounter *anyone* who sport-tours (or even sports)
|at 175 mph.

  Tom Detriecht, Beth Dixon, Harry and Tobin Davis, and Dave Svoboda have... :-)

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:28:13 GMT
Summary: DoD Wakeup Call

In article <Z152RB1w165w@vector0.UUCP>, jon%vector0.UUCP@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Dazed N. Confused) writes:
> ... 
>      HOW ABOUT YOU DOD IDIOTS STOP FLAMING LIKE IMMATURE BRATS?

No thanks.  Here, have a big draught of this bucket o' phlegm.  Drink all
you like: we'll make more.

> Now, is that so hard?  Why this live to flame stuff
> exists I have no idea.  

Clearly, this is true.  Perhaps it's an acquired taste.

> Read the Nettiquette postings.
> Don't post one-liners.  Don't post AT ALL if your followup
> includes more quoted lines than your own original lines.
> etc etc etc --- it's all very basic.  ...

<Yawn> not to mention boring, dull, and devoid of anything of interest.
Did I mention boring?  You do, however, have the distinction of being 
the only poster in recent memory to come down on the side of that stupid 
filter that makes us all *add* bogus lines to our postings so we'll have 
more text than the quoted material.  It really defines your Netnews 
persona in a tragic sort of way.

> >         I sure hate to see a news group with such a worthy topic go
> > down the tubes like it seems to be.
> 
>      Damn straight.  Maybe put some Nettiquette in the FAQ and
> cut out the silly response/flame garbage.

Wow, this is just like M*A*S*H when Henry goes to Tokyo for a week and
leaves Frank Burns and Hot Lips in charge!   Stand up straight! Suck in 
that gut!  You're out of uniform Mister!  Tonight's movie is cancelled,
and we'll be showing personal hygeine training films instead.  Smash
that still!  Get those enlisted men out of the Officers' Club!  Burn
Radar's Teddy Bear!  Screech!  Wail!  Gasp!

> --Jon / (sometimes wonder why) DOD #2600

Hey, why don't you start your *own* Motorcycle Club.  As founder, you
can make it anything you want.  You could even call it,

       The Stepford Motorcyclists (TSM)

Has a really *Netiquette-like* ring to it, doncha think?

Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
DoD #0003
KotSBS, KotSM

Oh crap, I accidentally posted more new text than I quoted.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Wind Triangles?  What are they?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:

>Brice Dowaliby (bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU) wrote:
>: What the heck is a wind triangle?  I think that was the phrase
>: used (Aerostitch makes one, whatever it is).
>
>Oh good, I've been wanting to ask also, but I've been to busy looking
>ignorant in the gasohol thread.

Yeah, well, in true DoD fashion, I'm not afraid to
look ignorant in more than one thread at once.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Crosswinds
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 20:18:24 GMT

In article <4015@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.195355.6817@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>>Ok, how does a buzzard countersteer?
>>
>>They don't; they get their pet denizen to do that for them.
>>
>
>
>Perhaps you might want to think about this for a second - consider that when
>a bird drops one wing it tends to bank in that direction (the same goes for
>and aircraft altho' its much easier to use the rudder).  Basically what they

Cough.  Easier to use the rudder?  What've you been smoking, Capt. Bemben?

Countersteering doesn't work with airplanes.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:46:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct1.182649.19587@colorado.edu>, laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
] |> If you don't like a toolkit, $15 will get you a swell Craftsman one.
]                                 ^^^^                     ^^^^^^^^^
] WHERE? my Craftsman set that allows me to do complete rebuilds cost
] about $200....

I didn't know the BMW had such a toolkit included with their bikes.
How do you fit the thing to bore your cylinders under the seat?

                                                          K
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: -- GIF ftp site --
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:08:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

<ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:

>I'm just curious to know if there is an "official" ftp node for
>gif or jpg bike's files.
>I can contribute with DUCATI gifs !!

Well, whatever you do, don't post them here!
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                           kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics           "Thanks to the magic of the slow-motion 
camera, we can now show you how ugly the inside of someone's mouth can be."
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:08:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
Originator: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, randy@megatek.com said:
:- ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
:- [in response to my post]
:- |	this from a person who isnt even on internet!!! ;)  <-----|
:-                                                                |
:- take a look at the first email address in my signature...      |
                                                                  |
	note the smiley... that was a joke on your address as it
	appeared on my attribution line in that post!!!

:- |	you actually save news postings by me??? ...
:- 
:- [...] was in response to yours and contained a good amount of your
:- original whining...

	here we go again....

	flame on,

	- ravi


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:16:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

caban@convex.com (Jane Caban) writes:

>I have to clean the squished bug mess off the visor of my full-face helmet
>just about every day. The thought of cleaning dead bugs off my face is
>enough incentive for me to wear a full-face! 

Awwwww, c'mon, everyone needs to experience killing some large beetle 
with your forehead at 50mph.

It leaves a nice big red spot for the rest of the day.

Clay (I'm not a faceless hoodlum with _my_ helmet) Brooks
-- 
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 Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
 606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: body leans & swerving (was The DoD ERC (was RSS))
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:07:23 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones) writes:

>During the ERC exercise "Countersteering for Swerving," riders who have
>a habit of establishing their motorcycle lean by using their body,
>instead of pressure on the handgrip, will have a difficult time of
>letting the bike move under them.  It shows up during the exercise as
>the rider _leading_ the bike into a lean with his shoulders instead of
>keeping his upper body fairly straight and establishing the lean with
>handgrip pressure.

>Swerving is the easiest time to see this happening, but it could be a
>habit you develop for all your turning.  It's fairly important that all
>your motorcycle steering be done with your hands and not body lean.
>You get the quickest response from the motorcycle and have better
>control over the rate and amount of lean.

Damn, Mojo, you were doing fine up until that last paragraph, which is
utterly wrong (IMHO, of course).

If you're saying that you should keep your body upright and steer ONLY
with your hands in normal curves and turns, you need more study.

For swerving, this is a good technique since it gets the turn made
quickly.  However, for cornering, particularly MAXIMUM cornering, this
technique results in greater lean angles (wheel diameter vs. pavement)
for a given corner radius and speed.  The greater lean angle results
in greater traction requirement, and therefore hastens the approach of
traction loss and unpleasant meetings with pavement.

Try it (though it's hard to see subjectively from the rider's
viewpoint).  You can take a corner faster if you lean INTO it and
shift your body weight to the INSIDE.  You don't see those GP racers
hanging off the OUTSIDE of the bike, do you?

(Anticipating another rec.moto fizziks flame war, I have carefully
avoided mention of centripetal force or G or anything, and leave the
above as blatant unsupported assertions over which others may argue).
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG           | "Good men must not obey the laws too well"
 ISC-Bunker Ramo / Spokane, WA   |    -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439          |  
 Mail: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com    |  My employer accepts no responsibility...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spindler@emr1.emr.ca (Chris Spindler)
Subject: Re: Model list
Summary:  addenda
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:00:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.042309.881@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson) writes:

>1/12 scale (about 6" long):
	
You can also put the NR750 in this list.

>	Ducati 900 Mike Hailwood Replica (1978)

BTW, there's a real one of these for sale in the local Kawasaki
shop.  The saddle is seriously uncomfortable and forces my knees 
up around my elbows (and I'm only 5'6").  But it can be yours for
only ... <wait for it> ... $12,500 (CDN)

Maybe next life.

Chris

-- 
Chris Spindler   Seismologist @ Large  |  Staring into a computer screen is  
'91 550 Zephyr    - - - - - - -  o     |  like staring into an eclipse.  It's
'91 K75RT       - - - - - - -  _/\_>   |  brilliant and you don't realize
 DoD #6371    - - - - - - -   O,> / O  |  the damage until it's too late.
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Time for rec.moto.tech?  (was: sick and tired!!)
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:43:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

scatlin@bnr.ca (Scot Catlin) writes:

>        Has anyone ever given thought to a new group called
>rec.moto.tech?  I know the racing and harley ideas have been
>discussed.  How about tech?

Great idea, why not do it?  All it would take is someone to
issue the CFV and collect the responses.  I'd bet money it
would pass.  Need a precedent?  Look at rec.motorcycles.dirt.
It's formation created a forum where discussions of dirt
riding could take place free from the flames such articles
garnered when they were posted to rec.motorcycles.

Where's Bob Ciotti when you need him?
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drinking & Helmets
Date: 29 Sep 1992 14:11:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 973@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com, jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
>
>Has anyone come up with any clever solutions to enable them to
>consume liquid refreshments while suited up?

A straw.  Actually, a tube.

But forget trying to use it, I have a patent pending.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Faster 1100 Again
Keywords: Phenomenal!
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:23:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

markb@solbourne.com (Mark W. Bradley) writes:
>
>PS:  The collar bone was broken, Bruce, Tom and all.  Six weeks
>     estimated 'til fully healed.

Depending on how bad its broken, you may be able to ride in less than
six weeks.  My first time was delayed until I could find another bike,
but the second time I was able to ride back from California and hid it
from my wife for over a week!  (until the hospital bill came ...)




-- 
Michael "Chuck" Bain                       meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com  
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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RFD: talk.politics.medicine
Date: 27 Sep 92 10:32:13 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep26.232504.13599@eskimo.celestial.com>, delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) writes:
> This is a request for discussion for the creation of one new 
> news group:
>  
>      Proposed Title:  talk.politics.medicine  

while we're at it, can we also have talk.politics.helmets and
talk.politics.guns-on-bikes and talk.politics.synthetic-oil and
talk.politics.irresponsible-off-roaders and talk.politics.best-french-fries? 

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What would you buy for $2000?
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:46:16 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>>>A friend of mine asked me to reccommend the most motorcycle he could 
>>>purchase for around $2000.
>
>I don't know if I've ever seen $2000 worth of Harley that was actually
>ridable. What would $2K get you anyways, one jug and one wheel? :-)

Here in the Dallas/Fort Worth Texas area, late '70's and early '80's Sportsters
in fair condition can be found, even in the summertime, for 2k-3k. One
of the H-D dealers in Ft. Worth had a 1978 Sportster with about 10k miles
and in rather good condition (except for the ugly faded blue gas tank that
really needed repainted and some of the aluminum stuff needed re-polished)
for $2600. It had very good tires, no leaks (surprising for an AMF iron
sporty of that vintage), and sounded very healthy. My best friend in Wichita
Falls, TX. bought a 1986 Sportster 883 (first year model of the Evo Sporty)
with only 3000 miles on it for $3000.00  from a guy who just retired from
the Navy (we highly suspected it had a lot more miles than that but after
checking everything mechanically, 3K appears to be about right for the amount
of wear on brake pads, sprockets, chain, tires, wheel bearings, etc.). That
bike has turned out to be one heck of a deal especially since my friend has
put over 10K miles on it in the year he's owned it and has turned down many
offers to sell it for as much as $4k cash!!! Forget about finding a rideable
big twin for that price range though, they start at about 5K for rough ones
around here.
<--------------------------------------------------------------------->
< Neal Howard                         | '91 Harley Sportster XLH-1200 >
< email: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org     | DoD # 686                     >
< CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson, TX)    | '69 Cougar XR7-GT390          >
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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:30:35 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Oct1.195301.16411@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> Actually, I start to lose it when one of those so-called mechanics
> looks at my bike and happens to pick up a wrench at the same time.

are all your tools rubber coated?  do you use clear oil?  does
starr let you put the FJ in the dishwasher? tell your secret, oh
keeper of the sanctified motorcycle.

> I betcha Blaine put his own Krausers on, too.  (Wow, it's amazing how
> "Krausers" sounds like "trousers" in that context, isn't it? :-))

and even though he lives in the santicifed state, he still puts
one on at a time.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: deutsch@cs.arizona.edu (Reverend Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Help!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:35:12 GMT

Someone please help. I have a 1978 Suzuki GS750 with which I have been
having increasing problems with. Lately, I started to notice that it
was running "rough", especially during deceleration (lots of little
backfires). This would happen at "random". Then I noticed that it ran fine
every time I filled up with gas. Anyway, the problem has increased, i.e.
it starts running rough sooner and sooner after I fill it up. Tonight,
I "ran out" of gas and had to switch to reserve, but when I filled it
up, I still had half a tank left!. I recently got a tune-up, so I 
figure that the carb is not the problem. BTW, my Clymer book on the
bike makes NO mention of a fuel filter. I have never heard of a bike 
without a fuel filter. Is there anything I can do myself (I am too
broke to go to a shop) that could solve this problem? Any help would
be appreciated, as my bike runs SOOOOO much better when it has enough
fuel :)   (I am assuming that fuel starvation is the problem, though
I cannot figure out why a full tank would help out; more pressure?)


				help feed the starving bike,

							Dave

--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Reverend David Deutsch              |    Disclaimer: The views expressed in
deutsch@caslon.cs.arizona.edu       |    this post are not only those of the    "The sympathy challenged minister"  |    sender, but also those of the
				    |    University of Arizona. 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: calling mature riders
Keywords: cruel, heartless, vicious.
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:42:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.223606.15856@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry) writes:
>>>well, if we're going to start a benefit, noemi might as well be the 
>>>logical choice.  noemi send me your snail mail address.  i have $5
>>>to make your new total a measily $2995.
>
>>HEY!
>>She *has* a motorcycle!
>>Shouldn't donations flow to the greatest need?
>>Ed Green
>
>ok, Ed -- i donate my Kawi to you.  speaking of flowing to the
>greatest need, i recommend you buy stock in your favorite oil
>company, as you will now be its most regular customer.
>
>i'll take the donations.  :-)
>
>noemi

In all my time on the nets reading these marvelous postings, I have
never seen such a vicious, cold hearted, vindictive, malice-laced
posting as this one.  Geezzz Noemi, what did Ed ever do to you
that you would wish your Kawi on him.  I know he finds himself
temporarily without a bike, but to offer him that _thing_ of yours.
Have you no shame.  :-)))

Your only saving grace, Ed, it that you are on the wrong coast.  I doubt
if it could ride that far, and no one would/could ship it (EPA rules). 

                                                                 :-)
Ride free,

Bill
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:46:40 GMT

In article <viking.717882449@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
|> I wrote
|>  0-60 for the FJ1200 is in the 3.0 second range, 60 to zero for the FJ12 is
|>in the two-second range.  For that matter, 0-60 for most sport-liter bikes is
|>in the 3.0 and high 2's, the ZX-11 is supposedly 2.8.
|
|	Oh, I can believe this.  How well do they stop?

  Take a look at that first line - it sure looks like I quoted a "60 to zero"
time in there...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:07:56 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Sep30.035137.21503@ttinews.tti.com>, paulb@harley.tti.com
(Paul Blumstein) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep27.220135.1301@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
> +
> +	OK.  Do _all_ DoDers wear full-face helmets?
> +	All the ones I've seen do.
> 
> I wear a half-shell.

   Which half?  Left or right?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Ducati 907ie vs. Honda VFR750
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:56:58 GMT

In article <JET.92Sep30141023@win30.nas.nasa.gov>
jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>VFR750				Ducati 907ie
>comes with cheap tools		tools?  what is tools?

Honda toolkit tools are ugly, but they're sturdy.  I use
them to maintain my Honda and they work fine.  Ducati
used to provide aacceptable toolkits with their
bikes, at least as good as the Japanese ones.

>valves mortals can adjust	valves that mortals can pathetically drool on

The Ducati has four valves to the Honda's sixteen, and they
may actually be easier to reach than the Honda's.  It will
require a trip to the dealer for parts to adjust either
bike's valves.  I'd rather work on the Ducati any day.
More plastic to fuss with, but the actual valve adjustment
is easier and faster, and the valve covers are easier to
seal against leaks.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
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