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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:44:10 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) says:

>>>How much more traumatic do you think it is to learn _from scratch_ using
>>>a manual gearbox.  Many of us did just that and can vaguely remember, 
>>>you however, didn't.  
>>>
>>
>>actually..it's a debate which i learned first..i learned to shift a stick
>>long before i ever touched an auto..i shifted for my mother..yeah..from
>>the right seat(that's the passanger seat for ye ol' non USeans readin'!)
>>.but the first car i ever "drove"(as in..manuvered on a public road) was
>>indeed an auto...but..i already knew the idosychrasis(sp) of the manual
>>that i drove after i'd shifted it for a couple years...even thogh i was
>>in the wrong seat..:-)  you decide which i learned to drive in...i don't
>>care which you want to claim i learned in..it is still easier to make 
>>the manual-auto conversion than vice versa...
>
>You stated quite clearly in an earlier post that _you_ were FORCED (your 
>emphasis) to learn to drive in an auto.  Now you say that you knew all about
>driving manuals 'coz you shifted for your mother.  Try at least to be 
>internally consistent in your vacuous arguments.

ok..fine..i was made to take drivers education in an automatic...
does this clear it all up for you now?  I, unlike many of my peers had
at LEAST MINIMAL experience in a stick BEFORE being in ANY driver's seat.
but was still (like ALL my peers) made to take a drivers education course 
in an automatic(and a shit one at that!)

>Also understanding the mechanics of moving a lever on cue (push the lever
>now honey if you really must) doesn't mean you had the faintest clue about 
>the coordination required to move those pedals at the same time.

howzabout you go blow a horse? she never told me when...and it does give
someone an idea of the mechanics...like..you shift when the clutch is 
down(engaged, disengaged..which way does electricity flow..it all depends 
on who you are..), not before, it makes a nifty noize..you shift quickly,
but in such a manner as to avoid unecesssary wear(since gone to the wayside.
aw well..)....and, since i didn't have any trouble when i did get behind the
wheel for the first time, i can say that it DOES teach you something. better
to have touched something and learned little, than to have been told it is
too hard for normal people to handle, so you should not worry about it.
my last say in this thread, so..tear it up if you feel you must, i say 
my way is best, you say yours is...DC will still make us do it their way.
screw you and all the other idiots who are screwing up your children's 
driving careers, by feeding them the bull that you fed me.
fuck the tree..it's a ferrari!
DREW
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From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:59:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.082314.29660@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
[ ... ]
>i think the question was why buy the infiniti G20 when you can get
>a sentra SE-R with the same engine for 6 grand less.  a pretty fair
>question, i think.  i think the G20 would be terrific if it cost $15k.

Friend of mine just picked up a G20 w/leather and auto trans for 16.6K.
Minus the options, that puts it in the 15-16K range.  That was a leftover
'92, I think.  He may have gotten some kind of special deal through our
credit union.

Nice car.  Fold-down rear seats would be a useful addition.

>it is very smooth and has excellent handling.  but... it still feels
>like a small car, and i think $19k is a bit much for that.
>when the sentra SE-R (admittedly noisier and less refined) can
>be had for considerably less, the G20 starts looking worse.  if i 

There are IMHO real advantages to buying from a "premium" mark such as
Infiniti.  Free loaner cars (very nice indeed), roadside assistance, and
in general very pleasant treatment.  Not to mention the free mug. ;-)

Obviously, you have to decide how much $$$ that all is worth to you.  From my
experience (Acura), the free loaner cars are infinitely convenient, and I'm
much happier with the overall treatment I get as compared with my previous
dealer (Mazda).  YMMV.

                                - Neil

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From: qazi8906@ee.uwm.edu (Aamir Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Integra
Date: 24 Nov 1992 00:16:51 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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>On the G20 vs Intergra issue.
>
>No one has mentioned that the G20 has a LOT more interior room than
>the Integra.  I test drove an Integra and felt like I was in a sardine
>can.  The G20 felt very nice (even though it's a nice small car - 175
>inches long) and has a LOT of interior room and even a good sized
>trunk! 

True.  The Infiniti is a true cab-forward design, something which few 
people realize.  This is becoming a common design theme in Europe, which
is where the Infiniti's primary market is (it is sold as a Nissan there).
This is why it has nearly as much room as a Honda Accord, which is 
184 inches long.  

--Aamir Qazi
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Subject: Re: Japanese and American Full Size Trucks
From: brycerw@brandonu.ca
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:21:45 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

>>I've read in the past that this is a VERY profitable market segment for
>>the U.S. manufacturers.
> 
> sure is.
> for example, the best-selling vehicle in the U.S.A. is the Ford F-150.

Interesting fact: The GM and Chev fullsize trucks are very close behind the
sales of the Ford F-150.  The sales between these two are counted separately,
even though they are the same truck.  If you combine the sales of the Chev
and GM fullsize trucks (since they are the same truck - different name),
they easily outnumber the sales of the Ford series fullsize trucks.

> it outsells all those Honda Accords, etc., etc.
> i don't know how the other full size trucks sell, but i seem to recall
> that they're all up in the high numbers.
> 
>>It will be very interesting to see how they (Ford, GM, Chrysler) respond 
>>to this new entry.
> 
> if i recall, their first response was to try to prevent them from
> selling any (either through tariffs or other restrictions).
> hopefully the competition will ultimately inspire them to improve
> their existing vehicles, instead.
> we'll see.

Chrylser is due to release a new Dodge fullsize truck (with an optional V-10
engine!) around July-August, or so.  Jeep is to release one about that time
as well, though it may be the same truck with a different name.

--Rob
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

>	"For comparable products I prefer my money to go and put food
>	on some kid from Detroit's table rather than be used somewhere
>	else."
>
>Let's drag it out into the sunlight.  You'd rather help feed a kid from
>Detroit than a kid from Tsutsumi.  Is this not racism?

 	Since "somewhere else" could be Tsutsumi, or Mexico, or Canada,
	or Stuttgart, or Birmingham UK, and since the Detroit kid could
	be white, black, Puerto Rican, or Japanese, what race would this
	"racism" be directed against?

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greg@cherokee.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Hydrogen & NOx's (Was: Rotary vs Pist.)
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:08:08 GMT

ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso) says:

RR> ... I saw a display ... demonstrated that rotary engines are more 
RR> suitablefor hydrogen fuel because  the combustion chamber section 
RR> was not the same as the intake chamber section.  ...

RR> And as far as emissions, when you burn hydrogen you end up with
RR> water vapor (very environmentally friendly).
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) responded:

AS> ... with some various complications...it sounds great..but..you have 
AS> to inject water into the combustion chamber in order to keep certain 
AS> nasties like nitrogen(NOx's) mostly from also deciding to steal some 
AS> of the H's O's...  it sounds realy great..but..not only would we have 
AS> to come up with tanks practicle for a car to carry H..but also tote 
AS> around water  ...

... but mwp@iconix.oz.au (Michael Paddon) added:

MP> The resulting water would be vapour at exhaust temperatures; 
                  ^^^^^          ^^^^^^
MP> ie. no we wouldn't have to "tote" it around.

... and aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) corrected:

AS> you didn't read what i wrote, did you? like i said, you have to inject 
AS> water into a H powered IC motor to get H2O out, otherwise you will get 
AS> some nasty undesirable other byproducts.  ...

I think that there is a misconception as to where the NOx emissions come
from.  The makeup of the air around us is about 80% Nitrogen and 20%
Oxygen (approximately).  Since that N2 gets into the combustion chamber
and is heated up, it gets to participate in the chemical reaction with
the Gasoline, Hydrogen, Methanol, Natural Gas, or whatever you are using
as fuel.  

I believe that this misconception arises from the NASA rockets that burn
Hydrogen that is mixed with *pure* Oxygen.  Those do indeed give off pure
water vapour ( which is then dumped into the atmosphere at high 
temperature which then probably reacts with the air ... ).

Do you know how the injected water prevents NOx's from forming?  
Couldn't an H2 powered car use a Cat-converter?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jcmiller@wiretap.spies.com
Subject: Opinions wanted on the Nissan NX 2000
Organization: Spies in the wire, information co-op, (408) 867-7400
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:15:08 GMT

I am considering buying a new or used Nissan NX 2000. I have driven
several other cars in the same class including the MX-3, Eclipse, etc.
As of right now the NX is on the top of my list. I would appreciate
any comments from anyone who has owned or driven one.

Thanks,
Jeff Miller

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:18:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.192541.12315@ryn.mro4.dec.com> abbott@priory.enet.dec.com (Robert Abbott) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov19.092443.11468@scott.skidmore.edu>, jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (Jason Reiser... Asleep) writes...
>>ehsan@attila.weitek.COM (Ehsan Kalami) writes:
>>> 
>>> hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
>>> blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>>> garage. similar to one found in parking lots?
>>> thanks.
>> 
>>I don't know where to get the real McCoy, but for something that's
>>probably a lot less expensive, consider a "Park Block".  It's a
>>plastic/rubber block that you stick to the garage floor and it stops
>>the car as you roll in.  Available from Mid America Designs (Corvette
>>place) for only $12.95 at 800-637-5533.
>> 
>>Of course, you could always construct something.... perhaps some
>>wooden beams?
>> 
>
>Geez. For zero dollars you can learn how long your car is and how
>to park it by eye. I suppose you play bumper cars when parallel
>parking?
>
>On a more constructive note;
>
>    1. Mark a line on the side of your garage opposite the
>       driver's window. When your head is parallel the car
>       is in far enough.
or look at something on the wall...shelf, electric outlet etc.
>
>    2. Hang a weighted string from the ceiling. When the weight
>       touches the windshield, it's far enough.
i'd suggest one of those 10ton weights.
>
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Date: 21 Nov 1992 22:56:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka the mad pianist)) says:

>Oh, shut up and get a Honda NSX.  End of discussion.
                       ~~~~~~
Acura..
(yeah..i know, i know..couldn't let it slide though...:-)
(it being the slip up..i know referring to the closeness
of HONDA and Acura)
DREW 
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From: louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam)
Subject: Re: Cruise Control w/ Manual Transmission
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:15:52 GMT

In <1992Nov18.001539.17655@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.193931.5164@scott.skidmore.edu>, jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (Jason Reiser... Asleep) writes:
>|> stsshol@st.unocal.COM (Herb Lam) writes:
>|> > 
>|> > I have a '91 Mazda 626 with manual transmission along with cruise
>|> > control.  I have only tried the cruise control to see how it operates
>|> > but don't use it because I usually drive in fairly heavy traffic.
>|> > 
>|> > Out of curiosity, what happens if the cruise control is on and I
>|> > change gears?  Does it do any harm to the engine or the cruise control?
>|> 
>|> 
>|> The cruise controls I've used with manual transmissions have always
>|> disengaged when you touch the clutch... same way it does it you touch
>|> the brake.  This probably applies to your 626 as well.

>what if you change gears without touching the clutch (probably tricky if
>you're letting the cruise control do the gas)?  what about pulling the
>tranny into neutral while at speed?  will the engine rev maddly trying
>to maintain speed?

I tried this on an automatic. I was cruising and then I shifted to neutral.
The tachometer needle went up...passed the red line, and the car exploded...
Just kidding.

But the engine did rev-ed up trying to maintain the set speed.

I think this also apply to other cars.

Louis
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com (Jim Chott)
Subject: Re: Japanese Full Size Trucks
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Motorola SPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:57:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.142912.38332@watson.ibm.com>,
born@scepter.raleigh.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> Has anyone seen the commercial advertising the new full-size truck
> made by Toyota? (I believe it was Toyota.)  I've read in the past that
> this is a VERY profitable market segment for the U.S. manufacturers.
> It will be very interesting to see how they (Ford, GM, Chrysler) respond 
> to this new entry.

This truck will probably sell well to people who don't really work their
trucks hard or 4 wheel them hard.  I was disappointed to see the 3.0 V-6
and the independent front suspension.  If it had a straight axle and the
DOHC inline 6 like the 93 Landcruiser, I'd be interested.

Jim Chott
rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com
Tempe, Arizona
85 Toyota 4WD pickup
72 Lemans Sport Convertible
From: bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:43:28 GMT

in article <1ecmoqINN1kg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) says:
> easy to get used to..one foot on the gas...one on the brake!!(yes..that is
> a joke..DO NOT do this..it is REALLY annoying!!! for those of us driving 

I've seen this done by someone driving up-hill!  Makes you wonder how
long their brakes last.
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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Keywords: garage
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:38:58 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <Nov.19.15.07.28.1992.8054@pilot.njin.net>, birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
|> daniels@lmsbv2.tamu.edu (Lee M. Daniels) writes:
|> 
|> >step 3: Hang the ball from the ceiling so that it just touches the center 
|> >        of your windshield.
|> >Now, when you enter the garage with the car, STOP when the ball touches the 
|> >windshield!
|> 
|> My family has taken this one step further... We have a small object [the lid
|> of a milk-jug, I believe] hanging in the garage so that it hits the radio
|> antenna on the right side of the hood.  Needless to say, this is a bit harder
|> to line up, and anyone who successfully parks with the lid against the antenna
|> is usually given an ovation.  
|> 
|> If we get a car with a trunk-mounted antenna, I guess we'll have to back in.

 Yeah, we tried that but the damn cats kept playing with it
 until they moved it or shredded it.

 I just velcro'ed a piece of 2x4 to the floor.  Just go to a
 fabric store, buy 1" or 2" wide velcro lengths, super-glued
 one piece to the garage floor and the other to the 2x4.
 Now, if you need to move the 2x4, just "rip" it up.

 TRAVIS
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From: otway@bnr.ca (Josanne Otway)
Subject: Question about NX 2000 Rims
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:28:22 GMT

Hello, I have just purchased a Nissan NX 2000 and
I have to get put snow tires on for the winter.

The problem is I would prefer not to use the 
aluminum rims that came with the car over the 
winter. I want to buy steel rims but Nissan does
not make them for the 2000. The NX 1600 has steel
rims available but they do not fit the 2000.

I have three questions.

Does anyone know if there is another company that
manufactures steel rims for the car??
 
Also, is it bad to constantly change tires on aluminum
rims. Can the metal be damaged and result in slow leaks?

The rims are supposed to be plastic coated. Does this
really protect them from heavy salt conditions??


Please email replies.
Thanks.

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Josanne Otway            internet: otway@bnr.ca
Bell Northern Research
Ottawa, Ontarion 
CANADA
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From: shantanu@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:07:33 GMT

In article <6982@dove.nist.gov> keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.192837.7711@oakhill.sps.mot.com> shantanu@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly) writes:

[mucho deleted]

>>While I haven't driven the G20, I have driven a Legacy for a week, and its
>>handling simply does not compare with an Integra. With the exception of
>>a GTI, I doubt if any of the above VWs will outcorner an Integra either.
>>Heck, I can blow away Jettas and Foxes in my civic, leave alone an Integra.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Hey, i've got a Jetta that i'd like to see your Civic "blow away".  NOT!
>That aside, i think that Eliot said "outcorner".  A Civic sedan will not
>"outcorner" a Jetta or a Fox.
>
>>Shantanu Ganguly
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Seems like you drive a GLI. Yes, my civic will probably not outcorner
a GLI. Its cornering is certainly comparable with a Jetta GL or a Fox.
I blow away Jetta GLs regularly, both in a straight line and a corner -)
A higher power/weight ratio, non-power steering, and comparable tires 
certainly help. 

Now an integra would give a GLI a run for its money.
The GLI may have higher handling limits, but the engine/clutch combo
in the Integra allows smooth downshifting during the corner, so
you can take the corner marginally slower, but you can acclerate out
significantly faster.

Shantanu Ganguly
Somerset (Motorola)

phone : (512) 795-7146                  Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513
fax   : (512) 795-7513                  6501 William Cannon Drive W.
                                        Austin TX 78735-8598
email : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com


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From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)
Subject: Re: integra vs Prelude vs Celica
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:08:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.222939.20233@leland.Stanford.EDU> eytan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Joseph Alpern) writes:

>I am currently looking for a good used car to buy.  I have about $9000 to
>spend and am intereseted in buying either an acura integra, a honda prelude,
>or a toyota celica.  I am also debating whether to buy the a car in its first
>year after a major redesign, like a 1990 integra or celica.  Please send any
>comments and suggestions to eytan@leland.stanford.edu

The 1990 (1991?) Celica is reputed to be bad news...at least that what
we heard from various Celica owners when my girlfriend was looking at
a fully loaded 1990 (91?) for some ridiculously low price.  Then again
used 91/92 300Zs are only running 16K around here...

>Thanks,

>Eytan

Nigel
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From: cse0075@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Wanted: Advice on '81 VW Rabbit (Diesel)
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:00:55 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Hello, all.

I am considering buying an '81 VW Diesel Rabbit.  It's got about 150k miles.
Asking price: $600.  

The car is owned buy a diesel mechanic and he has taken good care of it.
Is there anything in particular that I should find out about it (like
when the timing belt was replaced, etc.)?  Anything to look for when
test driving?

Also, I've never owned a diesel car before and I've heard about the fuel
"gelling" when it gets really cold.  How can this be prevented? (Other than
plugging the car in which is physically impossible at the apartment I live
in).  I'm told mixing kerosene in the fuel can help. ???

Thanks for your input. 

Please email to cse0075@uoft02.utoledo.edu

-- Mark LaPlante
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