From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Poor Shannon
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:22:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.015535.3263@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.234232.5002@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct14.223323.16998@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>  
c9c-ed@po.berkeley.edu  
> >( ) writes:
> >> Dear all,
> >> [section deleted]
> >> And if you are one of the perspective benefitees, do you dare say you will
> >> truly be 'persecuted' if you went back, while most of you probably never
> >> laid a finger on the 6/4 movement?  Isn't this what is called the  
repugnant
> >> "jian4-fen1-shi3-duo4"?  But then, of course, we are not saints.  I  
probably
> >> would do the same thing, if i were in the shoes.
> >
> >
> >I am not a beneficiary. But I want to point out that unless you keep your  
mouth  
> >shut, live like a cold-blooded turtle and forget about politics and the  
future  
> >of your country, you would sooner or later be procecuted or at least feel  
being  
> >prosecuted. So, as many people pointed out, it depends on how you interpret  
> >"living" in China. There are some people who fall into non-reversible coma.  
> >They still "live" in this world. Do you call it "living"?
> >
> >Carl
> 
> I agree with what you say Carl, but the situation is no different than 
> before these people came to the States, and it's still the same for 
> everybody else in China. That's just the way China is. And if someone is
> really interested in seeing democracy come to China, they're gonna have 
> to go there and help change things. OK, most people don't want to sacrifice
> their lives, and that's perfectly understandable. There's nothing wrong
> with wanting a green card.
> 
> The problem is this: the people arguing for the bill are saying, "I am
> so commited to seeing democracy in China that if I went back, I just
> couldn't keep from fighting for it, and I'd be persecuted." But these
> same people, once they get their green cards, I predict, will no longer 
> be so dedicated to democracy in China. It may a hobby or a wish, but no 
> longer this unsurpressable urge. *If* my prediction is right, don't you
> see a real contradiction there?
> 
> Mark
> 

Mark, I just posted an article on different kinds of CSS. Because it is long, I  
decided to answer your question on whether some CSS will continue dedicating to  
democracy after they receive their green cards in another post. Here it is:

First, we all now China needs democracy and human rights. We all agree China  
needs its people to fight for democracy and human rights. However, we also know  
that CSS are not some terrorists who seem not concern about their own lives. We  
are ordinary people. We want to live instead to die.

You know what kind of government China has now. You know what the government  
will do to the dissidents. So, if the CSS were forced to go back now, many of  
them would have to temporary go underground or even quit their pursuit for  
their own safety as well as their families' and relatives'. However, by letting  
them stay here and giving them green card, they can prepare for the future  
movement. Also, according to CG's record, it tends to treat people with green  
cards more "generously" than those without. So, if a person with the card go  
back and talk about democracy, he will have less chance of being arrested and  
charged. Many CSS missed their families and relatives in China. Once they get  
their cards, many of them will go back and pay visits to their families and  
friends. They will intensionly and unintensionly spread thought of democrcy and  
freedom to Chinese people without possible troubles. So, you see, it will  
actually enhance the movement of democracy.

Also, one thing you should know is that democracy can not be achieved  
overnight. It's takes a long time. It's a relatively better idea to constantly  
influence China with democratic thoughts than wage a big democratic campaign  
and force CCP to the corner. I believe the CSS here would play an important  
role to gradually push China to go towards a democratic society.

Carl