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From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer-Spassky news conference
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:48:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: craycos.1992Sep4.164804.12628
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <jblnzgh@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>
>Then, there was the early 80's failed musical 'Chess' (the only thing that most
>people would possibly remember from it being the song 'One Night In Bangkok')-
>about a raving American who plays (and loses) to an up-and-coming Russian,
>who, in turn, defects, and later in the musical, defeats the new Russian
>challenger....some decent music- a nifty song going over the 'history' of
>chess at the end of it....lots of easily forgettable stuff, but this isn't
>rec.games.musicals :) 

Also, in at least the original (soundtrack) version of "Chess" the American
has a female second of Hungarian descent...interesting.  Maybe Bobby
is playing a little joke here...
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Nimzo-Indian query
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:17:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23609
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

Suppose we begin as follows:

	1. d4	Nf6
	2. c4	e6
	3. Nc3	Bb4
	4. a3	Bxc3
	5. bc	c5

How badly can Black now clobber 6. d5?  That move does not appear in
ECO, MCO13, or BCO, which suggests that it must be really wretched.

The best response I've found so far is 6. ... Ne4, with the point
that advancing the d-pawn has opened the a1-h8 diagonal.  White
must defend the c3-pawn, but doing so with 7. Bb2 or Bd2 allows
7. ... Qf6, attacking the c3-pawn a second time and also threatening
Qxf2++.

Can someone come up with something sharper?
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:37:39 EDT
From: <ATM2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: bookup

I am interested in purchasing pc software that will allow me to store
my games in my computer, indexed by opening, tournament, opponent,
with the possibility of adding notes. The program should also be able
to print, and replay the games on the screen. Windows compatibility is a bonus.

Eric Schiller wrote a review about a year ago on CL&R, of which I remember
I would be interested in the Bookup program, since I don't necessarily
want to deal with large databases. Unfortunately, the article does not show
how to acquire it and I was unable to locate it in the USCF catalog and
other merchandise warehouses.

Can anybody give me information on this subject? Please reply to my email
so as not to clog the net. I will post a summary if there is interest.
Thank you,

Arthur T.Motta
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 13:15:38 -0400 
From: Ron_Kownacki@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Time forfeits in SD games

>> From: albert@HPLWK.HPL.HP.COM (Joseph Albert)
>> Subject: Time forfeits in SD games
>> Date: 1 Sep 92 05:30:56 GMT
>>
>>
>> As I read the previous account of the fiasco surrounding the outcome of
>> the game in round 1 of the Penn. State Championship, where the A player
>> outplayed a master, only ot lose on time, I had several reactions:
>>
>> 1. I'm really glad this didn't happen in a tournament that I went to
>>    alot of trouble to arrange time in my life for.
>>
>> 2. the discussion about how the A-player `deserved' to win, on account
>>    of having outplayed the master, having B + 4P vs. B with a 4:2 time edge
>>    is irrelevant.  The outcome of the game must be decided statically
>>    by the position at the time the flag fell, and the rules governing the
>>    position.  Chess is cold blooded.  Getting a deer-in-the-headlights
>>    daze under tournament pressure is part of the game.

Think you may not have read carefully, Joseph.  I only described the scene to
give people a picture of what happened.  It was quite exciting, a classic
sudden death scenario.  But it certainly wasn't a "discussion about how the
A-player "`deserved' to win on account of having outplayed the master."


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel)
Subject: Re: Fischer/Spassky game 1 result
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:20:10 GMT

Fischer wins game 1.  Spassky resigned at move 49.  The
game lasted approximately six hours.
From: schiller@sapir.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: TN in Game 2
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:11:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: sapir.9209031811.AA07225
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)


According to my database Fischer entered new territory with 10...Na6.
In all the other games in this line, the knight was developed at c6.
Eric Schiller
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Boycott
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:45:14 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <binkley.715451707@beagle> binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes:
>jgolds@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey A Golds) writes:
>
>>Look, I'm not trying to put anyone down, but illegality does not imply
>>incorrectness.
>
>Does a country sponsering thugs to throw women and children in
>concentration camps based on their religion imply incorrectness to you?

I presume you are speaking of the blatant anti-Semitism of the former
USSR, and their sending Jews to the gulags (among other places) for 
trying to hold onto their religion.  Or would it be the National
Socialists in Germany, who were throwing people into concentration
camps well before the 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin?

I can't remember too many people calling for boycotts of the world
chess championship matches held in Moscow, and I don't think too many
(if any) countries boycotted the 1936 Olympics.

Let's give this a rest, folks.  If you want to follow the Fischer-
Spassky match, fine.  If you don't, fine.  We all have our reasons
for doing one or the other, and there's no need to apologize for
them.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^  Dr. J(effrey Neil Burch)                 jb118@prism.gatech.edu    ^
^  Georgia Tech Research Institute                                    ^ 
^  Electro-Optics and Physical Sciences Laboratory                    ^
^  Atlanta, Ga.                                                       ^
^  30332                   Under capitalism, man exploits man.        ^
^  404-894-3628          Under communism, it's just the reverse.      ^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: newsgroup,rec.games.chess
From: takriti@engin.umich.edu (samer Takriti)
Subject: Re: sneaky Nimzo-Indian?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:31:43 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

You can always play 3. Nf3 instead of Nc3 to avoid the Nimzo-Indian
but this may lead to an "inferior" Queen's Gambit.
It would be interesting to see what will happen if white plays an
early Qa4+ forcing 4. ...  Nc6 and taking away c5 and c6 from the
black player.
-Samer
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: os9ug@gkcl.ists.ca (OS-9 User Group)
Subject: computers that intentionally slip up (was Re: chinook)
Keywords: update
Reply-To: sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Justin)
Organization: y
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:46:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.010326.16786@cis.uab.edu> hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt) writes:
>In article <21189@optima.cs.arizona.edu> rcs@cs.arizona.edu (Richard Schroeppel) writes:

>He was amazed.  I was sickened...... Cray Blitz chucked it's
>queen to avoid this mate in 11.... and playing an 1800 player
>that wouldn't have seen it in 5 minutes much less 5 seconds or
>so.  (remember that Gutman [sp?] didn't see it either and he was
>a GM....)  Shouldn't the program say "wait a minute, I will get
>mated in 11 or else sac my queen, but, I don't think an 1800 player
>can find this mate...  since I'm gonna sac my queen, I'll probably
>lose anyway, so I'll take the rook and run (and hope...)"

While I am compelled to admit that this might result in the program
winning a few more games...

I have to say I have always strongly opposed the argument that says the
superior players should intentionally make a mistake on the presumption
that the inferior player won't catch them.  

Perhaps my argument doesn't apply to computers so readily, since the
main thrust is to claim it is a bad habit, and leads to careless play.
However, something still bothers me about the whole idea of this.  I
would rather play my best possible game, and lose; than make a move I
know is wrong and win.  I get no satisfaction out of such "victories".

>!hyatt@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham !


Justin Wells
sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Justin)

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow)
Subject: Re: Fisher, Kasparov, Tal
Summary: Style is on the eye of the beholder
Keywords: style
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution:     world
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:37:27 GMT

I thought Korchnoi's eye-patch at the Olympiad was very declasse.

--Elliott
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: janet@cs.UAlberta.CA (Janet Service)
Subject: chinook
Keywords: final results
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:10:47 GMT

The final result of the Chinook vs Tinsley game is
Tinsley Won 4 games
Chinook Won 2 games
Draws 33

Dr. Tinsley won the 39th game (of 40) to give him the
match.

Janet

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: Fischer-Spassky Game 2 Complete moves (Draw)
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 04:00:46 GMT

   Spassky  Fischer    Spassky   Fischer
    White     Black      White      Black
    1 d4      Nf6        11 g3      Nc7
    2 c4      g6         12 f4      e6
    3 Nc3     Bg7        13 Bh3     Ke7
    4 e4      d6         14 Rhf1    h6
    5 f3      c5         15 e5      Bb7
    6 dc      dc         16 g4      Rad8
    7 Qd8     Kd8        17 Ng3     f6
    8 Be3     Nfd7       18 Nce4    fe5
    9 Nge2    b6         19 f5      Be4
   10 0-0-0   Na6        20 Ne4     Gf5
 
   Spassky  Fischer    Spassky   Fischer
    White     Black      White      Black
   21.gf5     Nf6        31.Rd7     Be5
   22.Rg1     Rd1        32.b3      h4
   23.Kd1     Bf8        33.Kf3     Rg8
   24.Nf6     Kf6        34.Bg4     h3
   25.Rf1     ef5        35.Rh7     h2
   26.Rf5     Kg7        36.Bf4     Rf8
   27.Re5     Bd6        37.Be5     Kg6
   28.Re4     Bh2        38.Ke4     Kh7
   29.Ke2     h5         39.Bh2     Re8
   30.Re7     Kf6        40.Kf4     Ne6
 
     Spassky  Fischer    Spassky   Fischer
    White     Black      White      Black
   41.Kf6     Nd4        51.Bd5     Ra4
   42.Bd6     Re4        52.Bb6     Ra1
   43.Bd7     Re2        53.Bc5     a4
   44.a4      Rb2        54.Bb4     a3
   45.Bb8     a5         55.c5      Nd4
   46.Ba7     Rb3        56.Kd7     Rd1
   47.Ke5     Nf3        57.Ba3     Nc2
   48.Kd6     Nd2        58.c6      Rd5
   49.Be6     Rb4        59.Bd6     Nd4
   50.Kc6     Nb3        DRAW AGREED
 
Information taken from Prodigy...

		William Moxley
		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: F-S II, game 2 update (3:41 EDT)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:13:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.170653.15341@husc3.harvard.edu>, fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes:
|> 
|> The AP also had an interview with his girlfriend.  They only met in
|> April, but they had corresponded prior to that about chess.  She
|> denies that they are engaged, but she has met his mother. (This is
|> pretty amazing and says that's he in touch with his mother.)

  I'm not surprised at all that Fischer is in touch with her. After all, 
 Fischer had dropped everyone that talked about him to the press in recent
 years. But Fischer's Mom would never say anything about him - indicating to me
 that she was still in touch with him! 

|> She speaks English fluently, and wouldn't comment on his eccentricities or
|> diatribes against Jews, etc., only to say that she loved the fact that
|> he spoke what was on his mind.

  How touching.
 
|> She's getting lavish attention from Fischer's hosts, and she's having
|> her trip to the World Junior Championship in Argentina paid for
|> by the same banker who's funding the match.  She won the Hungarian
|> Junior Championship on Sunday (apparently the Polgars didn't play).

  Again - nobody is surprised that Judith, the Hungarian Champion, isn't playing
  in the Hungarian Junior Championship! As for Sophia - is she still eligible?
 
|> She says she's learning a lot about chess from Bobby.

  I'm sure - but I'm afraid that's about all he can teach her!! 

-Ron
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,news.answers
From: christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: gnuchess on a vax/vms machine
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:49:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena


Does anyone know where to get gnuchess codes that can
be compiled and run on VAX machines using VMS?

Thank you

christos
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: dss@styx.desktalk.com (David S. Spencer)
Subject: Re: chinook
Keywords: update
Organization: DeskTalk Systems Inc.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:20:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.213535.7250@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> gls@windmill.ATT.COM (Col. G. L. Sicherman) writes:
>In <BtpCM0.Mzw@math.uwaterloo.ca>, alopez-o@neumann.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>> 
>> Well, at least for humans the rule is:
>>   Don't try to play any faster because your opponent has little time.
>> 
>> Especially after a greatly hurried move from your opponent, chances 
>> are you can obtain some positional advantage by playing a very fine 
>> game against his non-optimal moves.
>
>In the Buffalo area the strategy of running yourself low on time to make
>your opponent play carelessly was called the "Thrush Gambit" . . . I can't
>imagine why!
>
>I've used it myself, once.
>
>RETI OPENING.  W. R. Tallmadge -- Sicherman, Club Tournament, Buffalo 1976.
>1. A- S- 2. 7XXU 31 3. F A- 4. 3C N 5. 4 7XS 6. T 3X1 7. N- 7XI 8. 34 H-
>9. 32 4
>
>I am not comfortable with positions like this, but nothing has gone wrong
>so far.
>
>10. 7I 8A1 11. I T- 12. 7A U 13. A NK 14. NJ 8A1 15. 7XXT 7XF 16. A 8E1
>17. 7N UK
>
>...

Apparently games played in the "Thrush Gambit" are recorded using the 
never before seen "Thrush Notation".  

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
David Spencer		Desktalk Systems Inc.
dss@destalk.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer 1, Spassky 0
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:53:59
Organization: CSUA/UCB
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

I'm told CNN has reported that Fischer won the first game of
Fischer-Spassky II, after 6 hours of play.  I don't have the moves.
You read it here first.

Go Bobby!
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: bruhn@uxe.wu-wien.ac.at (Peter Bruhn)
Subject: opening(endgame)databases
Keywords: chess programming
Organization: Vienna University of Economics and Business Administration
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:03:13 GMT

As I am going to write a (non-commercial) chess program, I have the
following questions:

1. Are there any public domain databases for chess openings that I
   can include into my program? Gnuchess is public domain and  has
   an opening database, so I think it must be usable, if I know the
   format of the database. Any comments on that?

2. Are there any public domain databases for chess endgames? What I
   think of is a database for pawnless endgames (say 3, 4 and if
   possible 5 figure endgames) that includes the number of moves
   necessary for a mate for all positions possible. So if the program
   reads in the database that the actual position is a mate in n moves,
   it will chose a move that reaches a postition with a mate in n-1.

   If such a database is not available, can someone please give me a hint
   for good algorithms (utilizing symetries and so on) that can compute
   these databases (on a fast computer) and for disk-space saving methods for
   storing the results. As soon as I have produced such databases I will
   make them public domain, if there is an interest for it.

Any comments concerning the writing of chess programs are welcomed!

Peter (bruhn@uxe.wu-wien.ac.at)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: alacron!adb@uunet.UU.NET (alan brunelle)
Subject: Sneaky Nimzo-Indian/Ragozin
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:43:27 GMT



An excellent discussion of the (de)merits of the Ragozin can be found in
Mednis' "How to Beat Bobby Fischer" - a great book IMHO. If I recall
correctly, and here I paraphrase might-a-ly:

"If the Nimzo-Indian is good, and the Queens Gambit Declined is good, isn't
 a combination of the two even better?

 Well, no. It is sort of like taking two good recipes and mixing them
 together - the result: indigestion."

(My apologies to Edmar, if I really messed up the quote...)

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jhc@m2lll.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: computers that intentionally slip up (was Re: chinook)
Keywords: update
Reply-To: jhc@iris.brown.edu.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:49:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.064606.22271@ists.ists.ca> sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Justin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.010326.16786@cis.uab.edu> hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt) writes:

>>mated in 11 or else sac my queen, but, I don't think an 1800 player
>>can find this mate...  since I'm gonna sac my queen, I'll probably
>>lose anyway, so I'll take the rook and run (and hope...)"

>I have to say I have always strongly opposed the argument that says the
>superior players should intentionally make a mistake on the presumption
>that the inferior player won't catch them.  

I agree that it is a mistake to make a move that has little value
unless the opponent makes a bad move in response, UNLESS you have good
reason to believe that your opponent WILL make a bad move.  Some
people, for example, can't bear to have a knight pinned and will
inevitably "put the question" to the bishop.  Knowing this, you can
inspire a weakening of the castled position, withdraw your bishop, and
attack.  But read Benko's *Winning With Chess Psychology.*

>Perhaps my argument doesn't apply to computers so readily, since the
>main thrust is to claim it is a bad habit, and leads to careless play.

Well, if the choice of moves is intentional, then I don't see how that
would lead to careless play.  Habits are not performed intentionally;
they are performed automatically and unwittingly.  We are not talking
about habits here but about the intelligent selection of a move that
may not be "objectively" the best for the position on the board but may
be the best for the contest between the current opponents.

>However, something still bothers me about the whole idea of this.  I
>would rather play my best possible game, and lose; than make a move I
>know is wrong and win.  I get no satisfaction out of such "victories".

Learn from Lasker and most of the other top players of the 20th
century.  Read Benko.

You might respond that you said "inferior" players.  Well, what do you
think made Lasker superior to his contemporaries?  Perhaps you meant
many times inferior, as in 2400 vs. 1800.  But it seems to me the
height of folly for a 2400 to lose to an 1800 by playing as if
he/she/it is playing against another 2400.  I can't see any
justification for this even under the category of "playing the best
game" as opposed to "playing to win."  Playing to win is part of
playing one's best game, and taking the opponent into account is more
difficult than simply taking the board into account.

--Jim
From: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer-Spassky II
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:57:10 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Aug27.174847.2308@linus.mitre.org> jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz) writes:
>Anybody heard anything recently on Fischer-Spassky II??  There have
>been no discussions lately on the topic (I'm not trying to restart 
>any discussions of whether or not the match should be played, the 
>location, or theories on Fischer's current playing strength).  Does
>it still look like things are on for September 2 (6 days and counting)??

I heard a mention on the latenight news on the radio two nights ago
saying that Fischer may face criminal charges when he returns.  So, at
least it still appears to be on, although I realize we already knew
about this fact.  I don't know why it was on the news again.

Apropos this, does anyone have any more news on the very persistent
rumor that the match is going to be moved to Budapest to avoid these
problems.  If so, that might go a long way towards answering the charges
against Spassky and Fischer that their aiding the Serbs.


David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138
From: jd@slc3.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer - Spassky
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:54:27 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


	Fischer is playing again, BIG F***ING DEAL...

	Borg was great once too, but now there are more interesting tennis 
	players. Likewise there are more intresting chessplayers around too.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: bwatkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (The God of all machines)
Subject: Re: bobby's fillings
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:22:52 GMT


Idiot savants are a reasonably common occurance;  some peope are
incredibly talented but idiots.  Fischer is just anti-social.

It's not like he's Richard Wagner, or as if he's lost touch with
reality.  He just chose to live a differnet lifestyle.  (I wouldn't do it,
but it's within the bounds of sanity.)
From: russell@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Russell Malmberg)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fisher, Kasparov, Tal
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:37:03 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Originator: russell@dogwood


For the fun of speculation:

Tal gave Fisher a difficult time in the 50s/60s.  Of course
Tal gave everyone a difficult time then, but there did seem to
be some sense that Tal's style was difficult for the young
Fisher to handle.

How does Tal's style from his great years compare with that
of the current Kasparov?  Would any similarities imply a
possible difficulty by Fisher in handling Kasparov's playing
style (in addition to his Kasparov's strength).

Of course what is so much fun about this now is that no one
can really guess what Fisher is going to do, how good a player
he is, etc.  He is older, but, in the past, after every
quiescent period, he emerged stronger.  The spectator part of 
Chess with Fisher playing is much more fascinating than
without him playing.

 Russell Malmberg (russell@dogwood,botany.uga.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel M. DuBois)
Subject: Re: Fischer Spits! 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:42:52 GMT

mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley) writes:

>In article <benwood.715369504@milton> benwood@milton.u.washington.edu (Ben Henwood) writes:
>>
>>So far, I haven't seen any mention of "the girl" who is there with 
>>Fischer.  The Seattle Times reporter her yesterday, 31 Aug, as a
>>19-year-old Hungarian Chess prodigy (they had her name, but I didn't
>>bring in the article).  I heard that Inside Chess had some information
>>on her, too.

>Her rating is in the 2100-2200 range.  What else do you need to know.
>:-)

Is she cute?


>		William Moxley
>		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us

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