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From: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Reply-To: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:49:29 GMT

Stories like that fundie trapped in denial are really sad. I see it
every now and then too. I was good friends with a college roommate
of mine (he died last year in a car accident - no seatbelt). His uncle
made a pass (I'm being polite) at me after one of the numerous parties
at his parents' house. I didn't like it, but felt sad for the lonely,
closeted, old guy stuck in a rural area, having to put up with fag jokes
all the time.

Then on the good side is a store owner I met who turns out to be a
born-again bisexual - and choir director at his church. He knows God
is about love, not rules and judgement. He's happy, radiant, and doesn't
give a damn about what anybody thinks of him.

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: Sexual consent (Was: Roy's "consenting" slave)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:35:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.200905.17110@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers) writes:
>In <BzL29H.CAw@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
>dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>
>>[...] Whether I agree or disagree
>>with Gus is hardly an issue, given that this little piece of eloquence wiped
>>away a large part of the black depression reading soc.bi has given me today.
>
>I've removed some depression? Removed? Depression? Me?
>
>[Falls over, in a dead faint. The walls shake.]
>
>>*hugs*, Gus
>
>[Revives.]
>
>That gave me a shiver! (A nice little shiver, I hasten to add.)
>
>>Hopefully I'll hear more of your voice and balanced reason in the future.
>
>You mean *un*balanced, surely.
>
>[Falls over again, to demonstrate.]

Given that most people seem to be motoring around soc.bi & x-post soc.motss
with two tons of armour and a large cannon, trying to pretend that there are
no soft humans inside that shell, it's been damn hard to spot something
huggable.

Among all this Gus seems to have run out on the battlefield naked, sat
between the warring armies, and said "I have a story to tell".  And in
telling it, told it well and without spite for any.  And one might hope
that for that moment the armies were still and their cannons silent.

Come on, don't be so modest.  It was well done.



Brad
From: jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Epler)
Subject: Re: YES!  It works!!!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:52:38 GMT

In article <0C1A3726A02003D4@TUDOBM.TUDELFT.NL> C.G.C.vanDijk@IO.TUDelft.NL writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>After one-and-a-half years of holding my breath: I am here, and with
>this post I just stopped being a muffin!

Congrats!! <hug>
>
>For any welcoming hug (shy smile, quickly evolving into shameless begging)
>please hug Kay too, who found this way of posting for me.  I have really
>felt bad about not being able to post for all this time, all you nice
>people flirting and we poor muffins-against-our-will being on the
>side line.  But no more :-) :-) :-)

Oh, you think hugs are in order?  Well I'll just push through the queue
(Never could stand the things) and give you one.  (mutter from the wings)
Oh, I already *did*?  No matter.  <hug>.
>
>Unless you think the volume of soc.bi was getting too large already, in
>which case you should spank Kay, I'm afraid.

Can we spank Kay anyways?  <evil, lustful look>
>
>Love,
>              Casper
>
>PS: With regard to recent postings on net.personality: I'm mid twenties,
>bitter funloving cynic idealist, 6'2", blue eyes, and at the moment,
>I wear my hair like Jesus wore it (Halleluja I adore it).

I want one!!!! <melt>

Jeff
--
Jeff Epler jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu or bx304@cleveland.freenet.edu (preferred)

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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 07:43:34 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>Bananarama?  Oh lord.
>
>Now, if you'd said "Miranda Sex Garden", or "Shriekback", or "Diamanda
>Galas", I might have let that pass.  But Bananarama?  Oh lord.

What *is* this? I loan the CD of _Madra_ to Lisa, then I find veritable queues
of people begging for copies, including my (nominally) strayt brother. Did they
get rave reviews somewhere? Or have they just crossed the flashpoint which Tori
did about a year back when _Little Earthquakes_ appeared?

Sometimes I feel like an arbiter of taste, then I recall the Duran Duran albums
still sitting in my vinyl heap, or the fact that it was the High Atheist (and
equally as cute as Lisa) Gideon who introduced me to Diamanda Galas. Then I
just feel meshed with the Zeitgeist.

Excuse the Bananarama, Kay; we all have such fondly-recalled trash which is an
integral part of our early development, though these days we would never begin
to listen to it.

As for the cello, I dated a cellist once (OK, several times. Each Michaelmas
term, in fact. mmm.)

>>So have I eulogised Tori Amos' eyes today yet? (ObGenderParityPloy) :)
>
>No.  Please, who is Tori Amos?

Kay!! Heavens... I have _Little Earthquakes_, and a lot of CD singles. Now,
either you can send me a tape, or you can wait till I next buy a 10-pack. You'll
end up buying the stuff yourself, if you're at all like Sara, Gideon, Chris, etc

She has red hair, indeterminately green/blue eyes, and likes playing live
because all the faery get up on stage and dance along with her. Incredibly
emotive but precise performances. She's been called a traumatised Kate Bush.

And reason #3 for going to America is that I have her address |-)

Tanaqui

"The rustling of the silk is discontinued: Dust drifts over the courtyard
 There is no sound of footfall, and the leaves  Scurry into heaps and lie still, And she the rejoicer of the heart is beneath them:

 A wet leaf that clings to the threshold"                              LIU CH'E

Xref: sparky soc.bi:17099 soc.motss:53327
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:02:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <BzMLsL.2tMy@austin.ibm.com>
alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:

>I see little
>difference between selling policy and belief systems and selling
>pancakes.

Can I put that in my .signature file? :-)

>[...] the Moral Majority did a
>POOR job of marketing themselves - and folded.

If they paid you enough, would you agree to train them to be more
effective next time?

>"What is the quickest and most effective way to change the thought
>patterns of this society?"

Role models (e.g. Alan Turing, for gay men, at least if they're
computer geeks).
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, |  [Profound thought for 1993]
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End |     "Philishave is about
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 |      personal choice" 
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk |             -- TV advert
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: away for a few days
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:21:33 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin


I'm heading off for a few days over Christmas and my site only keeps
news for 3 days so I will probably miss any followups. If you are
following up anything I have posted then I would apprecriate it if you
could also email me a copy.


So long and thanks for all the fish. I'll be back.

Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Purity
Date: 2 Jan 1993 07:56:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1i2qagINN5ht@rave.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:
->
->I want a T-shirt that reads "THERE IS NO ENEMY."

Make one, then.

Wouldn't wear it, myself.  There is an enemy.  There are quite a few
enemies.  They'll exist until the day it's no longer an issue if you're
closeted or out, because there will be no difference, no advantage to either
state.

They'll exist for a while.  Move to Colorado.  You'll see the bastards
around you.

-roy

-- 
Roy S. Rapoport     internet: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu      bitnet: rsrsoda@ucbocf
anonymous mail: wi.5836@n7kbt.rain.com        androphile, gynophile, kerryphile
"What I used to think is me / is just a faded memory." -NIN
DISCLAIMER:  I speak for the University of California at Berkeley.  Rrrright.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:13:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.233723.3251@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>In article <Bzo3B2.Mzy@unix.amherst.edu>,
>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>> (Not sure, anyway, if you're arguing with my use of the word
>> "hysterical" to describe the mass media, or the use of the word
>> "media" in the singular.
>> 
>> If the last, I'll argue that the Latin has been sufficiently bastardized ...
>
>Gasp!  Tim, "latter", *please*.

<hangs head in shame>  I plead carelessness through temporary
insanity, a.k.a. final exams.

>And while the etymology police are on the prowl,
>you'd do better to avoid a word like "hysterical".

I will do so with both "hysterical" and "denigrate" if I am told that
people do indeed feel marginalized by either word.  It is my suspicion
that the roots of both have been obscured to the point that neither
bears immediate, visceral sexist or racist connotations, but I'd be
happy to hear that I'm wrong.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:25:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <1gutjlINNi4a@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>safarj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>>S.D.: 6 2/3" (For small samples, remember, divide by n-1)
>                   ^^^^^
>Splutter?!  Remove that word this instant.  The only situation where
>division by n is appropriate is if you have sampled the whole
>population.  Now in Joe's case, I might have believed this had happened,
>or will soon :-) 

Why, Mike?  where n is large, the difference between n and n-1 is
so small that it makes (asymptotically) no difference; at least, that's
how my A-level stats teacher explained it.

-- 
the Crisco Kid: nasty pinko faggot agnostic pervert punk.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:11:18 GMT

In article <BznwB8.IAt@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>In article <1992Dec21.200351.26183@cbnews.cb.att.com>
>eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:

>>Does that mean I should strike "denigrate" from my vocabulary?  Or that
>>it's an excellent example of (1) above.  Or both?

>Neither.

This is not academic.  One of my good-Karma days just having
passed, the one before this arose, I had that word down in a
posting-to-be.  I've used it my whole life, nearly, without
ever having thought about its root meaning.  But this time I
saw it and edited it out.

It's in a class with "white lies" and "gypped" and "black
marks" against you, and innumerable other examples.  It's a
personal choice, but mine is to get rid of it.  One can
certainly say what one means, I think, without using it.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Questionnaire for HIV-negative people
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:44:47 GMT

In article <Bzn32w.Cr2@world.std.com> wij@world.std.com (William I Johnston) writes:
:I am writing a book about the social and psychological issues
:that face gay and bisexual men who learn that they are HIV-negative.

gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> Is it just me who's callous and insensitive, or does anyone
> else think this is all just getting rather silly?

I don't know whether you read the entire article, or were just
reacting to the introduction that you quoted...

No, I don't think it is silly, and I think it is counter-productive to
call it that (not that I'm telling you what to do.  ;-)

First of all, everyone has their own issues to deal with, and has to
decide where to put their energies.  Although I have the right to
suggest that others consider whether their current choice of where to
put their energies is the best one for them, I don't have the right to
make that choice for them.  Only they do.  If they want to study the
effect of silly putty on AIDS prevention, that's their choice.  I
don't have to devote my energies to it, because only I have the right
to decide on that.

In addition, I think this research is important in understanding how
to help people avoid contracting HIV.  In that sense, this may be a
very important study.

 -Alan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:12:25 GMT

In article <1guhejINNg2t@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
|orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
|>   I've heard that the railroads are quite nice in the UK, too.
|
|See, how the mighty are fallen!  *LAUGH*  This little quip contains many
|a volume.  It's amazing how good sex can tend to take over your life,
|especially when it's more than just physics and physiology.

   Umm, Mike, after spending the last 15 years in a close
approximation of celibacy, I'm not clear on the difference between
just plain sex and good sex is (well, aside from a few occasions,
which I get smug grins about, but can't really quantify the
differences between those incidents and any other sex.) [And as the
ob-subtle flirt, you're pigeonholed under "good sex (S&M)"]


| Apart from
|work to pay the meagre bills, it's a long time since I last did
|*anything* which was not primarily motivated by social interaction, as
|opposed to self-amusement.  Methinks Orc and I are glorying in the
|sunshine after emerging from quite similar tunnels here.

   Well, after receiving my last credit card bills, I'm not so sure
if glorying is really the word I want to use, but it will do.

   You know, I knew that I'd like to spend some time in the UK even
before Nov 11, 1991 (the first trip), but I didn't know that I
could spend quite so much time getting into such complex sexual
tangles while visiting there.  I have managed to do at least _some_
trainspotting every time I've been in the UK <mind you, my trips
elsewhere since June have had any trainspotting urges thwarted by
the application of blatant passes - and not even by me, either! -
before I could even start thinking about watching trains.

   If I had any sense, I would flee to Australia when the next
soc.bi party is due, but unfortunately, I don't have the willpower
to stay away from the UK. (I am worried about just what would
happen when I next visit, considering all of the, umm, interesting
things I've discovered about myself in the last, umm, five trips.)

   Of course, even if I could stay away from the UK, there are
certain attractions that are found elsewhere, but which are making
themselves less convenient to visiting en route to the UK by
relocating themselves to the Bay Area, which is only convenient if
I was visiting Australia.


|>                 ____
|>   david parsons \bi/ "Besides, my favorite sex toy these days is
|>                  \/   a plane ticket" -Suzie Bright
|
|*laugh*, and a wave to M.A.

   And a blatant drool or two in return.  Ah well, my coffers will
be full again, barring frivolous trips to the UK, by the end of
January, and I'll be able to afford plane trips to California at
that point.

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ Who is trying to cut down on his trips to the UK
                  \/  by the simple expedient of moving there.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:16:55 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself from Austin, Texas)

In article <BzInI2.7Bn@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <BzH9Ho.241F@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>
>>[Melinda writes:]
>>
>>>I forgot, in my previous posting, to thank all you Big
>>>Smart Men for explaining to us Poor Addled Women exactly
>>>how to go about achieving gender parity.  Thanks!

  [Alan retorts:]

>>I forgot to tell you:  you're a sexist pig, too :-)
>>Do you not think a MAN can offer any valid observations in
>>this subject material?  Or do you think this is something
>>only a WOMYN can appreciate and address?

 [To which Tim feels duty-bound to reply:]

>Not in my experience, she doesn't.  However, she has observed that the
>most clueless, inappropriate, and nonsensical suggestions are proposed
>almost exclusively by men.

This just *can't* be true, since it can be shown that Andrea
Dworkin is not a man.


>It takes a special knack to discern this most subtle relationship;

Ah, clearly a knack I have yet to master ....


>scientists have not yet been able to train lower forms of life to
>recognize such patterns.  But keep trying, Bobo!
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / 
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 


Would it serve a purpose to do so?  Gee, thank you for adding
*so* much to our discussion.  Do they teach you the fine art of
putdown's at Amherst?

-- 
   _  Alan R. Weiss   IBM AWS Austin-AIX Kernel   11501 Burnet Rd, Bld 905
 _| ~-. alan%auntbea.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com | Austin, TX 78758
 \, *_} auntbea.austin.ibm.com!alan@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com | 512-838-8281
   \(   DISCLAIMER:  Working at, not speaking for, IBM  | alan@auntbea
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Lurkers
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:23:29 GMT

In article <1htjc8INN7vv@bang.hal.COM> landman@hal.COM (Howard Landman) writes:
:OK. ;-) .-) :-)  I'm partly kidding.  I don't think such a message is really
:appropriate for a first email, except perhaps if you are truly desperate for
:someone to talk to and think that only a True Lesbian (TM) could possibly
:understand you and don't know of any personally.

More likely it was a hetboy out for kicks...

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: safarj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: Lurkers
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:33:08 GMT

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>In article <4hr2vc#@rpi.edu> safarj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:

>->Nope, sorry, can't claim that honor, a few thoousand miles short of that seat.
>->As for the power switch... I suppose we'd be in the dark if I pulled it, but...

>Well, bring your cute ol' butt over here already! 

You pay?
I'm on my way.

>->>Well, dear, you _know_ the reputation for just oozing sex-appeal you have
>->>... then again, that's mostly based on your Furry personae.
>->
>->Sex appeal?  Me?  Oh, puh-lease!  About the only thing I ooze is sarcasm.

>See what I mean? You practically made me whimper! 

You need help.... ;) <Hug!>

>-roy

-Points (Yes, still me, still same silly thread, got a problem with it?)
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
 If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
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Xref: sparky soc.bi:17183 soc.motss:53467
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:31:36 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
 <1992Dec20.192301.1250@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <1992Dec21.152115.510@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>
 <1992Dec22.141030.16600@thelema.uucp> <92357.110706SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Dec23.144201.6988@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>

In article <1992Dec23.144201.6988@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>, cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran
McHale) says:
>
>In <92357.110706SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
>SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Graydon) writes:
>>[offers some tactical advice]
>
>[much deletion]
>
>Two questions spring to mind about this:
>
>1. Does anybody have further examples of non-X folk thinking that X-folk
>are anti-(non-X), e.g., gays are against heterosexuality, feminism is
>anti-male, blacks are anti-white? (I am wondering how widespread this
>idea might be.)
>
>2. Does anybody have any ideas about why such notions exist? Is it a
>result of poor communication resulting in fundamental misunderstandings?
>Or is it that the bigots are spreading misinformation to create fear of
>change?
>
>
>Ciaran.
>--
>---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
>\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
> \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204

The example that springs to mind is the reaction of most white-light-and
-bunnies pagans to the word 'Christian'.

I'd venture to guess that it is easier to define yourself in opposition
to the principle source of attributable external pain than it is to
take responsibility for yourself in the way neccessary to have a self
definition founded in your inherentency.

(The Usage Inquisition is going to get me for this one...)

Graydon