From: kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: List of proposed charters for fj.life.in-japan [English + Japanese]
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:23:35 GMT
Followup-To: fj.news.group
Distribution: fj
Organization: NTT Basic Research Labs., Tokyo, Japan

In article <hkh.dr09d@lab.ntt.jp> kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa) writes:

 |ABSTRACT: I would like to list the charters proposed in the
 |discussions
 |
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The list I've posted is intended NEITHER to delay the creation of the
newsgroup NOR to make hasty vote on which charter is the most popular.
It is intended as a common ground of discussions.

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Arguments tend to ramify like opinions against opinions ..... against
opinions until there is no relevance to the original agenda and often
lack general interest. In face-to-face meetings, it would be easier to
concentrate on the main agenda since every participant is time
conscious, the agenda is on the blackboard, and there is a capable
chairperson. On network, it seems more difficult. But we'll try.

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CATEGORIZATION OF PROPOSED CHARTERS	$@Ds0F$5$l$?7{>O$NJ,N`(J
-----------------------------------	--------------------

There are three groups of candidates for main body and an issue on
character-code. In this article, I will concentrate on the main body
as the latter can be discussed independently.
			[Summary of character-code issue is welcome]

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[A] Categorization by users (?)		$@%f!<%6$K$h$kJ,N`(J (?)

 |(1.j)	$@F|K\$G@83h$7$F$$$k309q?M!"$*$h$S$=$l$i$N?M$H8rN.$7$h$&(J
 |	  $@$H;W$&(J$@?M$N$?$a$N>l!#(J
 |(1.e)	Communication channel for foreigners living in
 |	  Japan, between themselves and with those who are
 |	  willing to contribute.

 |(5.j)	$@F|K\$G@83h$7$F$$$k309q?M$N$?$a$N>l(J			[not sure]
 |(5.e)	Communication channel for foreigners living in Japan	[not sure]

They seem to be categorization by users. My understanding is that some
are feeling alienated or at least are afraid someone of being
alienated either from fj.life.in-japan or from the rest of fj. I'm
not sure about reasonings.	[Summary of pros and cons is welcome]
				
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[B] Categorization by topics		$@OCBj$K$h$kJ,N`(J

 |(2.j)	$@:_F|309q?M$K4X78$9$kOCBj!#(J
 |(2.e)	Topics related to foreigners in Japan.

 |(3.j)	$@F|K\$G$N3$30@83h!#(J
 |(3.e)	Living abroad in Japan.		[tentative translation]

 |(4.j)	$@309q?M$NF|K\$G$N@83h$K4X$9$kOCBj!#(J
 |(4.e)	Topics on life of foreigners in Japan	[tentative translation]

They are essentially categorization by topics. The authors seem to be
open-minded to fringe usages. (3) and (4) seem to be almost identical. 
To my knowledge, there are no objections against (3) and (4). (2) is
also very close but it is criticized to be a little too wide or
abstract. The author of (2) is satisfied with (3) and (4) as long as
they are not taken too restrictive.

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[C] Categorization by topics without the word "foreigner" (?)
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 |(6.j)	$@F|K\$N<R2q$K==J,$J$8$s$G$$$J$$$?$a$K@8$8$k5?Ld(J		[not sure]
 |	  $@$J$I$K$D$$$F(J
 |(6.e) Questions arising from insufficient familiarity
	 to Japanese society.				[tentative translation]

This is also categorization by topics. But the author seems to be so
sensitive to categorization by people that he has eliminated the word
"foreigners". I could translate his Japanese, but I hesitated to put
it on my list as I was not sure. Some think it is too narrow. Some
think it is ambiguous. Some think that "insufficient familiarity"
carries even negative connotation than "foreigners".

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[Disclaimer]

My comments may not be pretty fair nor free from bias. If you are not
satisfied, please post your version of summary.

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Masahiro Kitagawa			$@KL@n(J $@>!9@(J	NTT$@4pAC8&5f=j(J
NTT Basic Research Labs.		kitagawa@will.NTT.JP
Newsgroups: fj.news.group