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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Women working on bikes
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:18:56 GMT

LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Cheryl Lynn Lavertu) writes:

>I've found that I can do lots of mechanical things, and to my
>surprise, I really enjoy it.   Who knows what my level of skill would

I recently spent an afternoon at the Colorado Springs Velodrome &
watched 3 women spend time changing chainrings, gears, & adjusting
their trac bikes.  While they took their time at it, they were
obviously doing so because they weren't in any hurry anyway & were
busy palavering.  Then they went on to do some fairly impressive track
training.

I have a few women friends who are quite adept mechanically & I have
had the privilege of showing them how to do things like disassemble,
repack, & reassemble hubs, adjust bearings & brakes, etc.  However,
most of the women in my experience are happy to let me do such things
for them.  A few have gone so far as to resist learning simple
mechanical details like how the derailleurs move the chain from cog to
cog so they would understand why their chain sometimes makes awful
noises.

I believe women's mechanical apptitude or lack thereof is more due to
lack of experience, in turn due to lack of mentoring & to social
stereotyping than to any genetic or other inherent reason.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: GE.DWS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Drew W. Saunders)
Subject: Re: 700c knobbies
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:46:01 GMT

In article <18onboINN5lv@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>,
mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy) writes:
>Question about a hybrid??
>
>What I have in mind is to have my rear canti posts repositioned on my
>1980 stumpjumper to accommodate  a 700c/27" rear wheel while retaining
>the 26" front with a 1.5 tire inflated to 50-60 psi for shock absorbtion
>qualities.  I would use this bike exclusively for commuting and errands.

Whatever for?  You now would need 2 sets of tubes, 2 types of tires,
a bike that "leans" forward, and 700c wheels are quite a bit bigger
than "26 inch," so it might not even fit.  For commuting and
errands, may I assume roads of varying conditions?  If so, get
26x1.25 or 1.5" slicks and pump them to 90-100psi, or 80 if that
feels too harsh, but you'll get used to the pressure soon enough.  I
commute on 700x32c slicks with 100psi and they're plenty mushy
enough for me, without being a couple of drag-magnets.

>I want to run a disk cover and drop bars with standard thumbies positioned
>to allow a semi comfy bar tops position.  But I plan on spending more time
>on the hoods or drops.

By "Standard thumbies" do you mean the little metal devices that
allow MTB thumb shifters to be placed on the inside of the brake
hoods, not unlike Suntour command shifters?  How about bar end
shifters, work just fine, out of the way, simple, effective, etc.

You may want a different stem length, you'll be more stretched out
on your existing stem.

Disk cover for commuting/errands?  I think using a decent amount of
pressure in your tires will be a much better idea than the cover,
which for a commute bike, just screams: "Steal me!!!!"

>Can I run regular brake levers or would I need the Dia-compes to work the cantis?

Yes, but you'd be happier with the Dia-compe for cantilevers.  I
have older cantilevers with regular brake levers that have a bit
more mush than I'd like.

>Any reccs. on who can do the torch work?

Keith Bontrager might be intrigued by the idea, he makes very fine
cyclocross bikes.

Drew
From: nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:10:36 GMT
Reply-To: nash@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

In article <1992Sep13.225623.1@research.ptt.nl> walvdrk_r@research.ptt.nl (Kees  
van der Wal) writes:
> In article <1992Sep12.115544.1@mdcbbs.com>, royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers
> EDS/Unigraphics) writes: 
> 
> >   This Wednesday I'll be donating blood.  I commute to work via bike most
> >   of the time, and the question is, does anyone know how losing a unit of
> >   blood will affect my ride home?  Should I wimp out and drive that day?
> 
> To my experience it's no good excuse to take the car. I never felt anything 
> "funny" after a donation. The people try to keep you for a few minutes 
> afterwards and have a cup of coffee soup or lemonade. Maybe it would be a  
good 
> idea to drink some water on a warm day to replace that half a liter but I was 
> told you could loose about 3% of your body weigth on water (not blood) before 
> there's anything noticeable in your performance.
> 
> I usually donate first thing in the morning and then commute the about 14kms  
in 
> a non-racing pace.
> 
> Regards, <kees>
> 
> Kees  van der Wal		       e-mail: J.C.vanderWal@research.ptt.nl

My 2c.

I to thought I was in great shape and was immune to giving blood when riding.  
Well after one 10 mile commute I gave a pint and promptly passed out. I  
normally have no problems donating. I'm never lightheaded, dizzy, or tired.  
Perhaps you should be careful of donating when riding, it might be dangerous.

Rich
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: johnr@col.hp.com (John T. Rasper)
Subject: Re: Misc
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:33:12 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I emailed the information requested 8Sep92 13:30MDT.

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(719) 590-5895                      Colorado Springs, CO 80901-2197
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:45:15 GMT

Nancy Piltch writes:

> Jobst, consider this an invitation to visit the Lewis Research Center.
> You would be fascinated at the range and depth of topics we work on here,
> in aerodynamics, materials science, structures, combustion, optics,
> propulsion, photovoltaics, and others. If there is a topic you would
> like to present as a seminar we can arrange this.

Thanks, that sounds interesting but I don't see an opportunity to drop in
on you soon, not having much other business in Cleveland than to make such
a visit.  If I were to present something I think it would be about the
work going on here at HPL rather than bicycling.

I think there is a difference between people working in engineering,
performing engineering tasks and having a natural facility with mechanical
things. There are many analytical people who are able to focus on technical
problems, isolate them and discover valuable innovations that leads to
technical improvements and therefore engineering advances.  I appreciate
such work because it is not one of my strengths. I rely on it to quantify
many things that are essential to my work.  However, these same people often
ask me questions about their machinery, be it a car, a vacuum cleaner or a
bicycle in which basic mechanical concepts mystify them.  With some,
explaining is difficult because they can not visualize the concepts. These
are people who do not have natural mechanical aptitude.

> You would also find a good many women who are engineers - mechanical,
> aeronautical, electrical, materials; others who are chemists,
> physicists, and other technical professionals, as well as mechanics,
> electricians, and other trades.

That women fit into these skills is common, but I am not convinced that
women have the mechanical aptitude more often found in men because, as
I said, I have never met one who recognizes mechanisms and mechanical
things with natural facility.  My experience does not prove that such
women do not exist, only that in my sample they are highly uncommon.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: goell@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeremy Goell)
Subject: Re: Shimano Bottom Bracket-UN50
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:05:01 GMT

In article <92245.124233TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
|> I'm think about buying one, has anyone installed one, and if so, are they
|> any good?
|>                                                 Tom

I work at a shop on weekends, and have installed most of the
Shimano UN bb's, in addition to riding/selling bikes that
have them as original equipment.  They seem to perform smoothly
and reliably in the year or so they've been around.  Both the
models that have plastic lockrings and the models w/aluminum
rings install easily with the Shimano tool (Park makes one too,
maybe other companies too, but you should get one w/the bb anyway),
just don't overtorque--a simple ratchet wrench, w/o a cheater bar or
other lever-extender, is sufficient.

The biggest rap on these things, since they haven't been around long
enough for long-term comments, is that they weigh more than conventional
bb's, so if you're a weight freak, you're outta luck.  Otherwise, they
SEEM to be pretty good.

Michael Batchelder
mpb@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dmiles@milton.u.washington.edu (David Miles)
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:09:29 GMT

oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan) writes:

>In rec.bicycles, judiths@eliot.uucp (Judith Speck) writes:
>>>
>>   Jobst, there is simply no way you can compare homosexual tendancies to
>>mechanical inclination.  The traits are simply not on the same scale!
>>Sexuality is one of the three primal urges of being human (along with
>			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>The way to compare the "tendancies" is by seeing them both as manifestations
>of the construction of the brain.  Differences are being found between
....
>It has
>been shown that men and women navigate differently. Men use vectors,distance
>and direction more while women rely more on landmarks (for instance).

From my experience, navigation methods vary tremendously from culture to
culture, far more than between sexes within a culture.  However, if there is
a difference in the U.S. culture that I move in most, it would seem to be the
opposite of the above-stated one.  More than one comic strip has had a series
based on the man's "seat-of-the-pants" navigating while the woman insisted on
asking directions.  And wasn't there a joke about the need for a woman on a
trip to Mars so someone would look at a map?

As someone else pointed out, individuals differ and knowing general trends
doesn't tell you much about the particular individual you are dealing with
at any one time.  And if there is so much disagreement on whether something
is a general trend or not it would seem worse than useless to use that "trend"
as some kind of a yardstick (the original premise here being, as I remember,
that women are genetically incapable of competently working on bikes).

David Miles  dmiles@u.washington.edu  (in Seattle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.rides
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Scotchlite question
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<you-120992185158@you-quadra.taligent.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:05:37 GMT

I see that one person posts an inquiry on rec.bicycles about where to
get Scotchlite and another responds with a followup to r.b.misc
instead of r.b.marketplace where it belongs.  While most participants
in these newsgroups seem to have mastered the new categories with
ease, there are apparently a few who are either very slow learners or
were opposed to the division and are now determined to prove that they
were right.  I hope that they will eventually learn.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothes?
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:13:19 GMT

> perley@trub.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley) writes:

>Someone else pointed out fender icing. A rack will be enough of a
>barrier to keep your back from being sprayed.

Just a contradiction, not a flame, but I've found that my Blackburn Mt. rack
does not prevent water from splashing on my back.  An extension of just a few
more inches is needed.  I've seen lots of home brewed solutions for this.
Someone ought to market a molded plastic piece that snaps onto the back of a
Blackburn rack providing those needed few more inches.

>back to platform pedals for the winter so I can wear warmer shoes
>or boots.

Oh yeah, in my previous post about baggies I forgot to mention that all I wear
on top of those socks and the baggies is a pair of running/trail shoes.

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From: STEVE.BUSSELL@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Steve Bussell")
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Panel Planes
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:11:33 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

Someone posted recently looking for a source for panel planes to make raised
panels.  Two sources I have seen are Garrett Wade and a one man shop in Maine
called Crown Plane Company.  The Garrett Wade planes, right and left versions,
are pretty pricey at around $150.  From the Woodshop News article I read about
Crown Plane, Panel planes go for around $70 to $80.  Garrett Wade's number is
1-800-221-2942(catalog costs $4) and Crown Plane's address is 61 Wsetern Ave.,
Bath, ME, 04530.  The number is 207-443-4183.

Regards,   Steve Bussell
From: jeff@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Jeffrey S. Freedman)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: My name is Tim, and I am a molding nerd...
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:15:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: hilbert.1992Sep8.171507.5006
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Northwest, Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Sep7.003853.29475@cc.uow.edu.au> pdunster@cc.uow.edu.au (peter dunster) writes:
>While on the subject, one of my favourite tools is my Stanley #55, complete
>except for the centre runner. Would anyone happen to know where I may be
>able to get a replacement?.  Is there anywhere still making blades to fit
>the #55??.

I've also been looking for a center runner, without any luck.  The older fellow
at the shop where I bought my #55 told me that since it wasn't very useful,
most owners of the plane threw them aside, and that's why so many of the #55's
that you see are missing them.

As for the blades, Garrett Wade sells a few different shapes.  You have to ask
them for a special price sheet.  I also imagine that it wouldn't be very hard
to grind your own, although I've never tried it.

-- Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Cutting aluminum on a table saw
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.210943.14277@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>I have heard that it is possible to do nice clean cuts through
>aluminum with a table saw.  Does this apply to relatively thick
>(1/8") stock?

Yes.

>What kind of blade must be used?  I assume the combo blade that
>came with my Contractor's saw is too coarse-toothed.

I worked on an addition to the Doraville Western Electric cable plant.
Most of the walls were temporary, with masonite sandwich panels held in
place with aluminum channels which we cut to size. These were basically
about 1/8" thick, but they would be about 1/2" thick at the bends. We used
a 10" chop saw with a carbide tipped blade. As I recall, it was about a
50 tooth with even spacing on the teeth. It was on the saw when I got
there and was still going strong ten months later when I left.

>Any special caveats?  I suppose one must be even more careful
>about the dust, for instance.

Yeah. Don't even think about leaving your safety glasses off. In fact,
the most common problem we had was that some of the particles would
occasionally ricochet in through the holes in the side shields of a pair
of safety glasses. Goggles were worse (bigger holes). A face shield would
be a real good idea. We didn't take any precautions about breathing the
dust, and OSHA was around sometimes.

patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
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Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: grants@syacus.acus.oz.au (Grant Sayer)
Subject: Bandsaw Features - What's Best ?
Summary: what to look for before buying
Keywords: bandsaws
Organization: ACUS, Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney AUST.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:06:04 GMT


Hi,
	This is probably a FAQ but I'm interested in what features I
need to look for before buying a bandsaw.  Currently the choices I have
are
	1. Bench mounted variety - single speed
	2. Free standing - 6" depth of cut with 14" throat, 4speed, 3/8" blade,
				    3/4 HP.

I'm tending to the latter case because the bench mount variety seems a 
little too "mickey-mouse".  But should I be considering larger than 
the free standing model.  The requirement is to cut 2 to 3 1/2" pine
for garden furniture.

Any suggestions are most welcome and if there is enough interest I'll
try to summarise for the net.

Thanks in advance
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Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Model Ship Kits & Stuff
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:43:34 GMT

A while ago someone posted asking for info on ship model stuff. Here's
a couple of addresses:

  Model Expo, Inc.
  Department SN82
  PO Box 1000
  Mount Pocono, PA 18344       Phone: 1-800-742-7171

  Preston's Ships & the Sea
  67-P Main Street Wharf
  Greenport, N.Y. 11944

I have dealt with Preston's (years ago). They're ok. The other outfit looks
to be fancier and more expensive from the ad.

One other source occurs to me. The British Admiralty Museum has the original
plans for everything the RN has bought for the last several hundred years
(for example, they have hull plans for the "Terror", which fought in the
French & Indian Wars). They will sell copies of most of them, though some
are in such poor shape they can't be copied. I no longer have the address,
but I originally got it from the Smithsonian. That address is:

  Smithsonian Associates
  900 Jefferson Drive
  Washington, DC 20560

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From: waldorf@selway.umt.edu (Rick Waldorf)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: electrical wiring
Keywords: electrical,home
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:44:35 GMT
Organization: University of Montana

I would like some feedback on rewiring my old home. I would like to
do a few rooms at a time and keep the main panel active while i connect
the new lines to a new panel. Any suggestions?

Thank's Rick
waldorf@selway.umt.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:34:06 CDT
From:         Jeff Roberts <JROBERTS@UTDALLAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Squaring Up Stock
              6 Sep 1992 13:07:43 GMT from <meiting@GRADIENT.CIS.UPENN.EDU>

On Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:07:43 GMT Mei-Ting Lu said:
>Could somebody out there give me some hints on squaring up stock.
>I have a router, 4 inch portable Sears jointer, and power planer.
>My problem is this:  by jointing or planing an edge, I can get
>the edge to be straight, but it is not guaranteed that the
>two cross edges will be parallel.  If I had a table saw, I guess
>I could plane one side, and then cut the opposite side with the planed
>side up against the fence.  But without a table saw, are there any
>good techniques for squaring up stock?  I'm trying to square up
>random-width/random-length stock.
>
>Thanks for the help,
>
>-Meiting Lu

I'd use a circular saw and a straight edge plus whatever is necessary to
hold the straight edge in place. I have a table saw but prefer to cut plwood
this way, with good concentration on your part you should be be able to rip
all but the smallest pieces.  Small pieces require a little imagination and
temporary jig contruction....it doesn't have to look good just work well.
Remember....we ain't build'n a piano here.

Jeff Roberts jroberts@utdallas.edu
From: miken@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mike Nickerson)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:04:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Library shelf and ladder information?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking

>  I would like to know if anyone has plans and sources for hardware
>  for the old-fashioned library shelves with the ladder.  The 
>  type of shelves with the brass bar at the top that the ladder
>  rolls on.  They are often in old movies in libraries or book
>  stores.
> 

This is my summary of responses to my question.  Many thanks to 
the respondents.

One person responded that they had seen an article in Fine 
{Woodworking or Homebuilding} in the last few years about these 
ladders with a hardware source.  I have not tracked this down.

Another person provided the following address:

Putnam Rolling Ladder Co. Inc.
32 Howard St.
New York, NY  10013

(212) 226-5147
(212) 941-1836 (fax)

I sent for their information and have already received back a response.
This is exactly what I was looking for.  They sell complete systems
or hardware parts.  I will give a brief summary of the features and
costs:

No. 1 Rolling Ladder (straight top) $310.00
		     (curved top)   $375.00

Special finish for hardware extra:
		     Black           $30.00
		     Polished Brass  $78.00
		     Chrome          $78.00

Steel track for ladder:
		      Painted Alum.   $3.75/ft
		      Black           $4.75/ft
		      Polished Brass $10.90/ft

Track Curve:
		      Standard Finish $35.00
		      Brass           $55.00

Standard ladder is oak.  Ash, cherry, mahogany, maple or birch 
are available at additional cost.

All prices are US dollars.  FOB New York City.

I haven't bought anything but this is what I am looking for.

Mike Nickerson
miken@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com