HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tin@smsc.sony.com (Le Tin)
Subject: alt.politics.vietnamese
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 02:49:46 GMT

  I was informed that I did not follow proper procedures in creating
alt.politics.vietnamese.  My apologies.  I was not aware of the
requirement for discussion in alt.config (did not even know there
was an alt.config... :( ).  Previously I had thought that the alt
hierarchy is for trying out newsgroup as a "test the water" type
of thing to see if a new newsgroup is really needed in the main
hierarchies.

  Anyway, this is my call for discussion concerning APV.  For the
past year, the discussions on soc.culture.vietnamese has sometime
became a free for all flame fest (I was told very similar to that
on several other soc.culture.* newsgroups).  Many people has asked
me for talk.politics.vietnamese or something similar to relieve
SCV.  After about a year of suffering through the flames, I agree
with them.

  So in a nutshell, the above is my reasons for creating APV.
All constructive comments are welcomed.

Regards,
Tin Le
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Alt.quotes newsgroup?
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:31:36 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien) writes:

  +>Anyone interested in a alt.quotes newsgroup, where interesting
  +>quotes or proverbs can be shared, or traced? 

I would suggest making it alt..sig, hmmm...how about alt.\.sig...er..
well, something like that.  After all, it's probably likely that much
of the stuff will come from .sigs.

Terry ".name" Chan
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From: mfc1493@tamsun.tamu.edu (Ratboy)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.monty-python,alt.fan.letterman,alt.fan.dave_barry,alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.mash
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:38:46 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

>>>Parspool:  tal.tv.sham
>>On insectojob, but... I don't think I've seen a glisen S*H*A*M cubjest dearth
>>in a tv swungrope in years.

Nice. Anyone get this?

>>Why own?
>Where d'ye get the coconuts?

BURMA!
I panicked...

Ratboy aka Ok boys, let's see proof of sig.




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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.monty-python,alt.fan.letterman,alt.fan.dave_barry,alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.mash
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:58:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

norbeck@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan) writes:

>Proposal:  alt.tv.mash

I am all for it, a forum for discussion of this great series was
something I thought may have existed in the past but was removed
long ago.  It would be a great idea, the show seems to be running
somewhere on some station everyday.




-- 
David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
--------------------------------------------------
Reagan-Bush 1981-1988 + Bush-Quayle 1989-1992
An Era of Strong American Leadership
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: New group proposal:  alt.conservative.forum
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:03:37 GMT

In article <36JXVB13w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>> It's just you.
>> Actually, it's not just you, and because it's not just you, and because there
>> are a million such flamers just like you, I think the group is a good idea.
>> It's quite understandable why someone might want to post from a conservative
>> viewpoint without getting flamed merely for daring to suggest that they want
>> intelligent discussion.
>Poor dears.  Intimidated into not posting intelligent discussion by
>the prospect that someone might take the piss.  I'd start a support
>group if I were you.

Why?  I'm atheist, I support abortion rights, I don't watch Rush Limbaugh, I
don't support "family values", and I own neither a big car nor a big gun (or
any gun, for that matter).

And I can still see that something is wrong here, and not on the conservative
side, either.  _That's_ why there should be a moderated conservative group.
Because there are too many people who think it OK to shout down conservatives
for no reason at all (and I consider flaming someone for saying they want
intelligent discussion to definitely fall into that category).

That doesn't mean they're _intimidated_.  I'll bet that if I were to go into
soc.motss, for instance, and start flaming people for being gay, you would
_not_ defend me by saying that anyone who complains is just intimidated.  You'd
tell me to get out of the group, because flames against gays have no place
there.  You would certainly not call soc.motss regulars thin-skinned for not
wanting to be flamed, nor would you tell them that I should stay in the group
and they should just ignore me.  Am I right? (pun intended)
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
      The truth is still the truth even if you choose to ignore it.
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: New group proposal:  alt.conservative.forum
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:16:25 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
> In article <m0iVVB6w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> >> I would like to formally propose a new group, alt.conservative.forum, 
> >> a moderated group to discuss conservative values and assorted political
> >> goings-on from a distinctly right-wing standpoint.
> >[...]
> >> A moderated group would cut out this gibberish and allow reasoned, intelli
> >> discussion of the issues facing the country and the world.
> >Is it just me, or is there a teensy little contradiction here?
> 
> It's just you.
> 
> Actually, it's not just you, and because it's not just you, and because there
> are a million such flamers just like you, I think the group is a good idea.
> It's quite understandable why someone might want to post from a conservative
> viewpoint without getting flamed merely for daring to suggest that they want
> intelligent discussion.

Poor dears.  Intimidated into not posting intelligent discussion by
the prospect that someone might take the piss.  I'd start a support
group if I were you.

   Dear Rush,

   I posted an article last week saying that I believe family values
   to be the most important issue facing America today.  Some nasty
   person subjected me to ridicule.  How can I regain my sense of
   self-esteem?

      Yours,

      Liberal-fearing of Los Angeles


   Dear L-F of LA,

   Don't give in to the liberal feminist nazi conspiracy.  Continue
   to post your incisive articles, but this time make sure you
   censor anyone who disagrees with you.  If this doesn't improve
   your self-esteem, try buying a big car and a big gun.
 

mathew
-- 
"Boy, they were big on crematoriums weren't they?"
 -- George Bush, during a tour of Auschwitz, 1987-09-28
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: 'alt' group proposed - alt.quotations
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:01:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <BzEw4w.MqL@rice.edu> cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:
>So can we make a rule that you have to check Bartlett's Quotations
>and/or the Oxford Modern Quotations before asking "who said.." ?
>I think most libraries have these.  I would say we need no group at
>all for this reason, but I know there's lots of stuff that won't have
>made it into such references yet.
>
>	Cathy

It sounds kind of restrictive though, doesn't it? I was thinking of
a group that is more casual, where one shares a good quote like a good joke.
If someone really wants to post quotations from Bartlett or the Oxford,
they can go ahead and do so. Consider, say, if those from alt.folklore.urban
were asked to check the Brunvand(sp?) books before posting, ( which should
be available at every bookstore.. ), I'd think there'd be little discussion
at all on a.f.u. 

I would definitely suggest that the books you've named be placed on a FAQ list 
for quote sources though. That would certainly reduce bandwidth.

Chua
+==+
Common sense is not so common.
			- Voltaire

Xref: sparky alt.config:8004 alt.sys.amiga.uucp:2966
From: ciaran@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (Skip Watson)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Distribution: world
Followup-to: alt.config
Subject: proposal alt.sys.amiga.cnews/cnews.patches
Reply-To: ciaran@aldhfn.akron.oh.us
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:39:43 EST
Organization: Auldhaefen Associates

Purpose.

	Alt.sys.amiga.cnews is for discussing the Amiga ports of cnews. It
is also for finding help in installing, running, and maintaining cnews on
the amiga.
	Alt.sys.amiga.cnews.patches is for distributing patches and
scripts for the amiga port of cnews.

Justification.

	Cnews on the amiga is sufficiently different from the standard
unix cnews to warrant a newsgroup to itself. What unix cnews does with
shell scripts the amiga does with c programs. Often the unix scripts and
binaries are combine to form a single binary for the amiga. This in itself
makes amiga cnews quite different from the normal unix cnews. It also
creates a different set of problems.
	Cnews on the amiga is growing in popularity. Its use would be more
widespread if people had access to the information needed to setup and
run it. This newsgroup would meet that need. Also a newsgroup is more
efficient than a mailing list.

Why an alt group.

	Amiga Cnews should be discussed in the same heirarchy as its
transport packages. At this point in time only the alt.sys.amiga heirarchy
meets this qualification with the existance of the alt.sys.amiga.uucp group.
	Cnews is independant of the transport package. It can work with
nntp, uucp, or any other transport package that you'd care to come up with.
Because of this, it should have its own group rather than be discussed in a
group that is for a transport package.


Note: Follow-up is set to alt.config.

	If you just want to cast a vote now, send your choice to 

votes@aldhfn.akron.oh.us


Skip
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.society.folklore unmoderation fails 729:151
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:05:42 GMT
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada

> > OR it could have been from those "flame-bait" postings that Joel and I put
> > in rec.arts.startrek entitled "Lost in Space Was Better" in which we set a
> > "reply-to:" address of "vote-no@sq.com".  ;-)
> 
> <laughter>
> But, before somebody starts screaming "revote!", let's keep in mind
> that even if only a TENTH of the "No" votes count, the vote STILL
> FAILS by the 100-vote margin.
> Shame on you ... !

In case anyone else thinks this actually happened... I did read all
messages in the ballot mailboxes, and the only ones that apparently
were not intended for the mailbox that they arrived in were a few
cases where the sender apparently had a mental lapse and confused the
words "yes" and "no".

Of course, it *could* be the case that this trick was *tried* but failed
because nobody replies to flame-bait by email.  But somehow I doubt it.
Especially considering the ";-)" in the posting!

See also my recent posting <1992Dec20.195428.17256@sq.sq.com> in
alt.folklore.computers and alt.folklore.urban. :-)
-- 
Mark Brader		  It never occurred to me that a living person could be
SoftQuad Inc., Toronto	   used as a blowtorch, but we admit human beings are a
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com    bit special, don't we? -- Hal Clement: STILL RIVER

This article is in the public domain.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: mgm@world.std.com (michael g moncur)
Subject: Re: Alt.quotes newsgroup?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:44:21 GMT

slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser") writes:

>>I would suggest making it alt..sig, hmmm...how about alt.\.sig...er..
>>well, something like that.  After all, it's probably likely that much
>>of the stuff will come from .sigs.

>Ghod, I *hope* not.  I find that most of the quotations I really like are too
>long to fit in a .sig along with my name and addresses, and I regularly see
>wretchedly mangled out-of-context quotations in others' .sigs.

I have to agree there.  I've found some decent quotes in .sigs, but there
are quite a few long, annoying, silly ones.  Then again, that's the
subject for another group.
-- 
~`~`michael moncur - mgm@world.std.com / sysop@onlybbs.via.mind.org ~`~`

Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.monty-python,alt.fan.letterman,alt.fan.dave_barry,alt.fan.pratchett
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.mash
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:58:07 GMT

In <1gor7mINNjav@coral.bucknell.edu> norbeck@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan) writes:
>Proposal:  alt.tv.mash
>I proposed this group this past spring and nobody had any objection to
>it.  However, due to my own ignorance, it was never created.  I am 
>reposting to see if there is still interest in the group and to see if
>someone out there who is interested would be willing to help me get it
>off the ground.

Let's see...hmm...AH! Here it is!..."K"...for "kill"...
Bye bye!

*sound of K being pressed*

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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:28:30 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

I'm for it.  NY's the second-biggest state in the country, and ny.* and
alt.great.lakes just don't cut it.

--Aaron
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Re: New group proposal:  alt.conservative.forum
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:21:04 MST
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Dec16.002538.29913@u.washington.edu> ryanm@stein.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly) writes:
>Not in the way you mean it.  We don't want decent, fruitful discussions
>destroyed by a bunch of liberals who want Christians and Conservatives put
>to death.  The only way I know of is to have it moderated, considering the
>childish practices, and garbage comming from the
>"Libs/Nazis/Commies/Murderes/etc..." group.

I guess this is the sort of "reasoned intelligent discussion" that one
will find on alt.conservative.forum (btw, like someone said, 
alt.politics.conservative does fit in with the hierarchy better).

Also, this post brought up a good point.  There really is no newsgroup
specifically for discussions relating to the dismembering and eating
of Christians.  

How about:

alt.dead.guy.on.a.stick.christ.christ.christ

or

alt.conspiracy.liberal.we're.out.to.get.you


But seriously, I vote 'No' on the conservative newsgroup.  Of course, 
voting is irrelevant in the alt hierarchy, so go ahead and create it.

p.s. I hope I didn't offend any conservative PC people with the above
     message, you know how touchy they are...
----
"Dwayne Dibly?!" - The Cat (I've seen 5th season.  Have you?)
----
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups
From: skwatkin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Watkins)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.fantasy
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:25:22 GMT

 I really see the need for an alt.fantasy news group.  I read the sf news 
groups and the specific fantasy author groups.  I like sf, but I *love*
fantasy.  I would like to be able to talk about many different authors
with others who share my interest in fantasy.  I would rather not force 
sf fans to read fantasy posts as I am forced to read theirs now. 
  I do like sf, but I see a need for another group.
 
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.books
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.catch-22 (Was: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.anne-rice)
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:19:36 GMT

Followups are set to alt.config.

In article <1992Dec12.031403.25703@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:

>Hey!  I got an idea!  How about a group called alt.fan.catch-22?  I've
>always been a big fan of Joseph Heller's masterpiece.  Yossarian Lives!

Could it be put anywhere other than alt.fan?  How about
alt.books.catch-22?  (Yes, I *know* it was a movie.  The book came
first.  Ppppbpbpbpththth.)  alt.fan has become so bloated it's
practically misc.misc.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: New group proposal: alt.conservative.forum
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:43:49 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Flame?  What flame?  Geez. I, sir, AM a dittohead, and I look forward to 
>>the few glimmers of conservatism which shine through the liberal murk on 
>>the net. I just don't think we need a moderated newsgroup.  I don't like 
>>at all the argument that since there's a soc.feminism, that there should 
>>be a moderated conservative group.  (Which should be called 
>>soc.dittoheads, to balance out soc.feminism.)

>Sorry.  I wasn't aware "dittoheads" was a real word.

    Nope. Somebody just made it up. Come to think of it, though, *all* 
words were just made up by somebody or other.

>Though "soc.dittoheads" would be a bad name, unless you want the newsgroup
>to specifically cover only Rush Limbaugh fans who understand what it means.

    Not really a bad idea; basically the same ploy Hunter Thompson used
in suggesting that Aspen, Co be renamed "Fat City" (to keep the tourists 
away).

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: news@wolves.Durham.NC.US (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups,alt.fan.bruce-becker
Subject: Becker Scats
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:59:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.bruce-becker
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: fa9a5f970df93cdb2030002cb1d4cdc6

Seen here today, another becker scat....

| Path: wolves!duke!concert!rutgers!utcsri!geac!>
|		>censor!becker!feline!halt!nosejob!sniffers!netcom.com!jef
| From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Puskanzer)
| Newsgroups: alt.config
| Subject: newgroup alt.graphics
| Message-ID: <1992Dec10.165426.4652@netcom.com>
| Date: 10 Dec 92 16:54:26 GMT
| Control: newgroup alt.graphics
| Reply-To: Jef Puskanzer <jef@netcom.com>
| Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric
| Lines: 9
| Approved: jef@netcom.com
| 
| 
| Q: how many newsgroups does it take to change a lightbulb?
| 
| 
| A: 100 more newgroups than rmgroups
| 
| 
|            Jef Puskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
| "Crawling on my pine commode of languish, I shat nothing." -- Dark Stain
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.catch-22 (Was: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.anne-rice)
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:09:30 GMT
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division

In article <1992Dec13.102238.13324@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:

>The reason, though, that I don't think alt.books.catch-22 makes as much
>sense as alt.fan.catch-22 is that the concept of Catch-22 is more than
>just a book or movie... it's the whole insanity of war, society, and life.

Rhetoric aside, it's a book.

>It's more than just a book.  It's more than just a movie.  Catch-22 is a
>way of life.

alt.religion.catch-22?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Question on general trivia: Imponderables
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:08:41 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen) writes:

  +Is there a newsgroup dedicated to general questions?  Meaning, some type
  +of group that basically encompasses trivia questions, but yet are seriously
  +answerable.  Like, you're wondering who that person was that wrote that
  +book, or why a 2x4 doesn't really measure 2x4, or why are manhole covers
  +round...etc?  

Many of these sorts of things are discussed on alt.folklore.urban.
Related groups such as alt.folklore.college, alt.folklore.science,
and alt.folklore.computers (but a.f.u. is the Mother of all Folklore
groups).

There's also rec.games.trivia, but I dunno....

Terry "news.answers?" Chan
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From: msc9315@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.catch-22
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.



>>I used to think Catch-22 was funny. 
> Right.  And then you found out how true it all was.  (I'm curious.  What
> Catch-22's did you personally encounter?  Are the Air Force brass still
> modeling themselves on Generals Dreedle and Peckem?)

Catch-22 would be an excellent newsgroup.
Haven't seen a better proposal all term.

Must go, I can see spies in the skies.
                                             (---)
J.                                         (------)   [and in the distance]
                                             (---)         [I hear ...]
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh