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Info-Hams Digest            Tue, 15 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue 1319

Today's Topics:
          ARRL Leadership  (was: ARRL technical literature)
               Baluns useless? (was: Steel Wool Balun)
                    Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
                Clever phonetics wanted WN3K (2 msgs)
            Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
         HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN
                        HF/SSB/CW rig for sale
                             inverted Vee
                       License delays (2 msgs)
                                 mars
                    Morse code upgrading (2 msgs)
               REQ - Info on intro.SW(AM/SSB) receiver
                              Satellite?
                          thanks... (3 msgs)
     Why no CHeap TNC's? (Was: Help Jeff (was Overpriced TNC's))
                       Yeasu FT-901 Info needed

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:12:57 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: ARRL Leadership  (was: ARRL technical literature)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>In article <14570553@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>,
>    alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes:

>| Isn't Don Stoner the one who petitioned FCC a few years ago to eliminate
>| the amateur 6 meter band and use the frequencies for unlicensed digital
>| LAN operations?

>The same...  But I thought it was only half the band?

Now that you mention it, I think you're right.

AL N1AL

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:09:11 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Baluns useless? (was: Steel Wool Balun)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, mark@ve6mgs.ampr.org (Mark Salyzyn) writes:

>Actually, a more `convenient' method of reducing RF in the shack is to
>place a coaxial choke at the antenna (or the point at which you no
>longer want the Co-Ax to radiate) by coiling the Co-Ax into a loop.
>Good RF grounding practices in the shack can have an affect (good/bad,
>much like electro-shock therapy :-). Grounding to a water pipe will have
>unusual side effects (water pipe becomes part of an antenna system in
>someone's elses home).

As Mark implies, an earth ground may or may not help with RF in the
shack.  The problem is that almost any ground wire you can use will
likely be an appreciable fraction of 1/4 wavelength long on the highest
frequency band in use.  A 1/4-wave wire grounded at the far end 
"looks like" a high impedance, the opposite of what you want.

One solution I have found works well is counterpoise wires.  This is
a 1/4-wavelength long wire (one for each band in use) attached to 
a ground connection on the back of the rig.  The other end of the
wire is not connected.  Counterpoise wires perform the same function
as 1/4-wave radials on a "ground plane" vertical antenna.

AL N1AL

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:36:36 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (Jud Ahern) writes:

>I'd welcome suggestions for phonetics for my call. 

>+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| Jud Ahern KC5RI               Bitnet: jahern@uokgcn.bitnet         |
>| Geology & Geophysics        Internet: jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu |
>| University of Oklahoma  "Opinions expressed here reflect the entire|     
>| Norman, OK  73019        University, in one convenient location."  |
>+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

Lessee...

     Kansas City's 5 Real Indians

     Keeps Chasing 5 Ravishing Ingenues

     Kansas Contains 5,000,000 Real Idiots

     Keep Chugging 5 Rootbeer Ices

Al N1AL

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Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:14:21 GMT
From: usc!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!stanford.edu!rock!concert!lester.appstate.edu!lester.appstate.edu!usenet@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Clever phonetics wanted WN3K
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

For WN3K, what about 



Who Needs Three Kids

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Date: 15 Dec 92 23:19:39 GMT
From: olivea!charnel!rat!mimbres.cs.unm.edu!constellation!essex.ecn.uoknor.edu!usenet@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Clever phonetics wanted WN3K
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec15.150912.8809@udel.edu> penneys@pecan.cns.udel.edu (robert penneys) writes:
>Please excuse me for copying someone else's great idea.
>
>We Need Three ..........
>
>I've tried all manner of phonetics. Got any ideas?
>
>Tnx   Bob WN3K  FRC

Walk North 3 Kilometers
 
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jud Ahern KC5RI               Bitnet: jahern@uokgcn.bitnet         |
| Geology & Geophysics        Internet: jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu |
| University of Oklahoma  "Opinions expressed here reflect the entire|     
| Norman, OK  73019        University, in one convenient location."  |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: 16 Dec 92 01:36:03 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Chuck Harris - WA3UQV said:

Yumm, yumm, that should flicker verrry nicely!  Let's see, if you want 10%
output, turn on 1 cycle in 10, that should give you an exceedingly nice 6Hz
flicker.  Zero crossing SCR, I don't think so...

Ron says:

You can do this if you don't mind the lights flickering.  I said sane.
Second, the number of parts required to to this would be enourmous.

Alan says (in private mail):

So, how do I do it for 40 percent power?  More interesting, for 43% power?

And I say:

Turn on cycles for 43% of the time!

43 % of 120 pulses per sec is 51.6 or aprox 52 pulses out of 120.

An easy way to do this (implementation wise) is to have on square wave 
oscillator running at (120 - 52) HZ ANDed with the zero crossing 
pulses. If the output of the AND gate is true then turn on triac at the 
next the pulse. Make the oscillator swing between 10Hz and 95Hz for 
full range of control before flicker sets in.

Alternately have a square wave oscillator with a variable mark space 
ratio and and the output of the oscialtor with zero crossing detector 
output and send that to the triac.

You can buy zero crossing triac controller ICs to do this for you.

If you really want to go all out then put a microcontroller in there 
with zero crossing detector -- you could probably add a few extra 
features this way too (send CQ in morse, allow you remote dialup 
control of the lamp to fool burglers, add DTMF remote control via your 
favorate repeater .... possibilities are endless :-).

In this implementation you are subtracting the unwanted pulses pretty 
evenly over the whole cycle. In this case express the fraction of off 
time as the rational (N/D) with a large denominator (governing the 
resolution of the device) and turn it on for

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:10:18 GMT
From: well!moon!pixar!news@uunet.uu.net
Subject: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

> I'll just have
> to deal with that person and make sure that person knows that it isn't 
> acceptable to admonish people who try to help others.  That I can  
accomplish
> with his System Admin. if need arises.

Perhaps it's time for us to write to the system admin at lamar.edu
about Grady. Not that he's doing anything really bad, just because
he seems to need some instruction on how to operate on Usenet. That is
his system manager's responsibility.
						Bruce KD6OTD

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:40:03 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!bert.eecs.uic.edu!woodward@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: HF/SSB/CW rig for sale
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

i have a ten/etc omni-d ssb/cw tranceiver for sale.  if you like
cw, there isn't a rig in the world that offers a better cw qso.
rig/power supply/mike/etc/external vfo all for $700.  just
back from $150 factory overhaul/alignment, so everything is
in perfect working order.  

73's,
woody wb9cyi 708-658-6436

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:02:19 GMT
From: spsgate!mogate!newsgate!NewsWatcher!user@uunet.uu.net
Subject: inverted Vee
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

According to theory, an inverted vee has added reactance when compared
to a normal dipole and therefore needs to be about 6% shorter for a
given frequency.  Question is, is this reactance due to the proximity
of the end points to ground (usual installation of a vee) or to the
angle formed by the vee?  How will this be affected by moving the whole
vee up about 20 feet (rooftop)?


* Chris Terwilliger, KB7PPT                rrgd50@email.sps.mot.com *
* Motorola                        "And now, the sequence of events, *
* 2100 E. Elliot Rd. EL374         in no particular order."         *
* Tempe, AZ  85284                                     - Dan Rather *

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:23:45 GMT
From: swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!oak!laborde@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: License delays
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec15.183135.12978@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> dheisler@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Dave Heisler) writes:

>I called W5YI at lunch time today and they said that for
>test results submitted in Oct. that the FCC turn
>around time was 16 weeks, yes that's 4 months.

>A person fron the arrl said 8 weeks.

I took my license in April, when the FCC was saying it took 10 weeks to process
an application. After 11 weeks I called and they still did not have me in the
database. I called my VE who called W5YI and then told me that my application
had been lost. I resubmitted everything (including going around to get the VE
signatures again) and received my license 3-1/2 weeks later. In the interim I
called W5YI-VEC and spoke to Mr. Maia himself. He was very rude, told me that
applications never get lost, and implied that it was because of lazy and un-
reliable VEs that things like this happen. I guess he never met my VE, Gene
Davies, AA6NP, who was very diligent in following up with all of the people in
our session, none of whose applications made it to W5YI (supposedly). Since the
FCC does not care whether my original application was lost or not, I find it
very suspicious that I received my license so quickly after submitting the 
second application. Total time to get it: 16 weeks. Maybe this explains why I
was deluged with junk mail exhorting me to subscribe to various publications
and join various groups, without the usual call sign on the label. 

>Does anyone actually know what's going on?

I suspect that the additional time is spent by W5YI processing the applications
to sell the names to aforementioned solicitors. You might call the FCC itself
and ask _THEM_ how long it is taking. 

-Greg KD6MSM

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Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:56:02 GMT
From: topaz.bds.com!topaz.bds.com!ron@uunet.uu.net
Subject: License delays
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

It's not a precise science.  When you take an exam, the VE's have 10
days (supposedly this is a limit, I have no idea what they do to you if
you exceed this) to get the tests to the VEC.  I know from experience that
it can take nearly another week for the VE's to process them and mail them
to the FCC.  The FCC has taken between three and six weeks in the past,
though it's not a big operation there in Gettysburg, and it wouldn't take
much to throw it out of whack.

The ARRL VEC office, for what it's worth has done a lot over the last year or
so to greatly speed up the time it takes to process the exams to the FCC.
They provide account numbers for all the popular overnight delivery companies
to encourage the VE's to get the forms to Newington as soon as possible.
I've gotten the thumbs up postcard saying that all my tests were in order
within two days of when the league received the package and our exams run
80-100 people.

-Ron

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:38:53 GMT
From: psinntp!adcmail!tlanders@uunet.uu.net
Subject: mars
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <Bz94In.D3n@mtholyoke.edu> wvogel@MtHolyoke.edu (keeper of the tone) writes:
>
>MARS stands for military afilliated radio service
>when i was in the air force i used it to make radio patch phone call
>to the states ffrom military bases overseas (basically used for third
>party traffic) if i understand the meaning in the regs book
>
>3's de wayne
>

But how does one get involved?


-- 
Troy Landers                                      EMAIL: tlanders@atlastele.com
Atlas Telecom                                     VOICE: [USA] 1+503.228.1400
4640 SW Macadam Ave.                              FAX:   [USA] 1+503.228.4434
Portland, OR 97201                                RADIO: KB7QWE

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:18:28 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Morse code upgrading
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, gcouger@olesun.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger) writes:

>Learning code for me was very difficult. Actually using code is a lot
>more fun to me than listing to a computer spew out code. 

A key point.  CW tapes are probably the best way to go from 0 to 5 wpm,
but they sure do get boring after awhile.  I recommend you get on the 80
or 15 meter Novice band as soon as you have the privileges, and get
your code speed up by actual operating.  Contesting and traffic
handling are two excellent ways to learn quickly.

AL N1AL

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:50:52 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!sschend@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Morse code upgrading
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Hara being torn down is just a rumor, everything is the same as last year.

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Date: 16 Dec 92 01:19:03 GMT
From: autodesk!laliths@uunet.uu.net
Subject: REQ - Info on intro.SW(AM/SSB) receiver
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Hi,

        I just found this newsgroup; so, please don't flame me if this is
a FAQ....

        I'd like to get into SW/HAM listening and would like recommendations on
what receivers would enable me to do the following -

 - Limiting price of 150
 - Pick up signals < 30 MHz
 - AM and SSB i.e pick up both broadcast and HAM transmissions
 - Be easy to tune, preferably digital tuning

        Optional stuff would be

 - Have higher frequency capability(VHF etc.) 
 - programmability etc...
 - possibility of later using it for HAM radio

        Any suggestions in this regard would be very helpful, particularly
info. about where to get such radios, whether used ones should be considered,
etc.

        If there is a FAQ for this group, do email it to me

        Thanks in advance,

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Date: 15 Dec 92 18:39:37 CST
From: timbuk.cray.com!walter.cray.com!ferrari!jwl@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Satellite?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I was driving down interstate 75 somewhere in southern GA or northern FL
and scanning across the band with my 2 meter mobile unit when I came across
a signal on 145.990.  The stations broadcasting sounded like they were
coming from a repeater, but I suspect that it was a satellite since it
was only around for a few minutes.  There were people on there from 
New Mexico and New York, to name a couple of the distant places.  
The question is? What was I hearing?  What is the input frequency, if this
is a repeater?  I heard it twice once during each leg of the journey.
The first time was Saturday before Thanksgiving and the next time was
the Sunday after.

Thanks,

Jim.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:13:41 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpcvaac!billn@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: thanks...
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

c60c-3gi@web-3d.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi) writes:
: 
: After Wed., when my finals are finally done and over with, I am going to
: shop around at K-Mart, Price Club, Best, and such places.  But here is
: what I basically have in mind:
: 
: 	(1) get an external antenna that clips on to the trunk lid.  I looked
: 	    at one closely at Radio Shack today and fodun that it clips onto
: 	    the trunk lid with two hex screws.  I think if I put a piece of
: 	    rubber or cloth or something, that will give me a secure fit 
: 	    without leaving any marks.  (if someone has an opinion against
: 	    this, please email me back!)

I would recommend against this. The antenna is designed to run with the
screws forming a ground. If you do not want any marks, get a magnetic mount
antenna, and put it in the center of the roof, where the antenna belongs
anyway. When you remove it, tip it - don't slide it. 

Bill

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Date: 16 Dec 92 01:14:49 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: thanks...
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Hamid Radvar says:

When I try to power up my walkie talkie with the cigarette adapter, I
get lots of noise when the car is running.  I'd think you might run
into the same problem unless there is a way to filter out the noise.
Does anyone know of such filter?

I say:

A lot of people have mentioned using LC type filters to cope with this 
noise (most likley alternator whine).

Another excellent (and simpler) solution is to use a three terminal 
regulator (such as a LM317 -- choose your package probably the TO-3 
case). These regulators have a ripple suppression of about 80dB, so 
they actively supress the noise, something they also show by removing 
ripple as well as regulating the voltage at a reasonable level.

A second advantage is that you can cut down the voltage fed to your HH 
to a reasonable level to avoid cooking it during long trnasiver periods 
(if you need more power check out the 2m PA from Ramsey electronics, 
its $70 gives around 40W out for 3W drive, ideal for using a handi 
talki in mobile service).

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:36:36 MST
From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!noao!jab!cobra@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: thanks...
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

hamid@telesoft.com (Hamid Radvar @lone) writes:

> When I try to power up my walkie talkie with the cigarette adapter, I
> get lots of noise when the car is running.  I'd think you might run
> into the same problem unless there is a way to filter out the noise.
> Does anyone know of such filter?

 
Hmmm...it's probably being radiated into the power leads...obviously 
somewhere between the battery and the connection, but most likely between 
the fuse block and the ciggie lighter.
 
Try this...tune to the AM side of your car radio, to an unused station on 
the air (don't tune to a station!) and run the car while listening to the 
background noise.  If you've got some of the same type of noise in your 
car radio (many have some filtering for this reason), you may need to 
figure out what sorts of noise it is, plug noise (pops like popcorn) or 
alternator whine (squeals...frequency rises and falls with idle speed).
 
PLug noise is easier to eliminate; alternator (or regulator) noise is a 
bit more of a challenge...

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:26:30 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!csn!stortek!v027197@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Why no CHeap TNC's? (Was: Help Jeff (was Overpriced TNC's))
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

>megabyte@chinet.chi.il.us (Dr. Megabyte) writes:
>: 
>: The bottom line, I think a simple 1200 baud TNC _could_ be made for about
>: $75.00 retail.  Question is: Would hams pay $75.00 for a simple TNC when
>: for $120.00 they can have a "delux" TNC with flashing led's, a simple
>: PBBS, a mailbox, and RAM?
><deleted>
>--
>YES!  Especially those of us interested in listening to packet, rtty, amtor,
>wefax, etc. and whatever,  but not especially desireous of transmitting
>(yet!).
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^  I agree with yes, that's about the right threshold of pain, but
I don't believe you can Make Money for the operation to survive.... with that
I would ask Dr. Megabyte (if I might steal a cliche) : "NAME THAT TUNE!"

de George, W1XE

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 23:17:15 PST
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!news!nosc!crash!hale!system@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Yeasu FT-901 Info needed
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

 
I'm being offered a 901 unit in trade for some of my goodies,
only lacking the power cord.

The unit has a heavy transformer so I'm assuming the power supply is on 
board (I havn't seen it yet, will tomarrow AM), is this correct?

Does anyone have the pinouts for the power plug?  

He mentioned it uses both 12 and 120 Volts.

Thanks in advance.  Please reply via email, I don't get enough
time to follow the group as close as I would like.

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