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From: jwodzia@dino.uucp (john wodziak)
Subject: Re: Kontos
Reply-To: jwodzia@dino.UUCP (john wodziak)
Organization: Clemson University Mechanical Engineering Department
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:34:14 GMT

hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U) writes:
>In a recent article RAP115@psuvm.psuu.edu wrote the following:
	Stuff about Kontos....deleted
>
>Before we proclaim Chris Kontos as the new Brett Hull, we should remember
>past shining performances by marginal to semi-talented players.  The list
>below shows an example of how players like Chris Kontos can look like a
>superstar for an extended period of time.
>
>1981-82 Dave Lumley of the Edmonton Oilers recorded at least one goal in 12
>1984-85 Bobby Carpenter of the Washington Capitals recorded 53 goals, and
>1989-90 John Druce of the Washington Capitals scored 14 goals in 15 playoff
	AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! He killed the division that year.
>
>Finally, in 1989-90 Gary Leeman of the Toronto Maple Leafs scored 51 goals
>Even Kontos has went through a hot streak when he scored 9 goals in 11
>playoff games for the Los Angeles Kings.  The following year, however, he
>only played a handfull of games in the NHL; partly due to a hatred of Kontos
>by the King's head coach Tom "Spear Chucker" Webster. 
>
>Kontos has never shown very much to anyone duuring his professional career.
>To add further evidence of his play, he was cut from the Canadian Olympic
>team last year, and believe me not all the Olympians are playing in the NHL.
>Kontos' best year for scoring ever, I believe, was 42 goals and that was in
>the OHL.  Kontos nor the Lighting will maintain his(their) pace for the
>entire year.  If Kontos finishes with over 45 goals, the fans in Tampa Bay
>should be thrilled.
>GO ISLES, ...... NO. NEVER. (sorry)
>Len Hunt..........................hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca
A couple of other additions to this list would  be Steve Leach and Randy 
Burridge of the Bruins and Caps. Both of them had career years for them
selves last year and I'm glad because both of them deserve more recogniction
than they've gotten for being the bump and grind kind of players that
every team needs.
But this year Leachs point production is way down from what is was last year
as far as I can tell. If I remember correctly it should be back to what 
it was in his years with the Caps. I think that both Leach and Burridge
were reacting favorably to new surroundings but are now back to their
old selves.

I would really like to compare Burridge but unfortunaley he is hurt...:-(

Stuck in Hockey Hell
JRW
jwodzia@eng.clemson.edu jwodzia@clemson.clemson.edu
The #%&^*$%&$ Rangers suck!!!  1940 >> /dev/null Go B's!!!
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Possible Calgary trades???
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:24:24 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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Keywords: Vernon, Cullen, Hawerchuk

In article <Bx99rp.GHJ@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> kjmcrae@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (insert name here) writes:
>I keep hearing rumours that the Flames are shopping around for a
>good play-making centre and are willing to part with Mike Vernon to 
>get one (due to their apparent surplus of goalies).   
>
I heard there is this pretty good playmaking center in
Toronto.  How about Calgary packaging Gary Leeman, Craig
Berube, Alexander Godynyuk, Mike Vernon, and Michel Petit
for that Gilmour guy.  Do you think Cliffy would go for
something like that?  Nah, he's probably not that stupid.

Why couldn't Calgary give both Nieuwendyk and Gilmour 
the big contracts?

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu
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From: mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
Subject: Re: wendel clark trade?
Organization: Private system in Toronto, ON
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:53:00 GMT


Mr. Spock <ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:

>there is a rumour milling about here in toronto about wendel clark
>being traded to edmonton for esa tikkinan (sp?) ...has anyone out
>heard more info about thi s in oiler land?

>what do you leaf fans think? i say no way!!!

Sather has always wanted to acquire Clark.  By letting go of Tikkanen
and his salary, he'd be able to keep one of Lowe or Murphy (probably
Murphy).

Given Wendel's past injury problems, I would say such a trade would
pretty heavily favor the Leafs.  While he's off to a slow start this
season, Tikkanen is an excellent defensive player (which Wendel will
never be) and has shown an ability to put the puck in the net as well.

Overall, I would guess that the trade would have to include another
Leaf for Sather to go for it, but it's definitely a possibility.

-- 
Murray
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Rangers interest in Dave Manson continues
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:59:30 GMT

nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:

>Another
>possibility mentioned was Montreal's Sean Hill for Lowe in one-for-one
>deal.

>At this point,Sather holds all the cards.....

Well, kind of. From what I've read and heard Sather would have been
happy to do the Hill deal.  Unfortunately, Hill has been injured with
torn abdominal muscles. The injury is taking more time to heal than
it should and Sather doesn't want to wait or take a chance on it being
a serious problem.

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Detroit/Tampa Radio Report
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:03:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.175108.9719@cbnews.cb.att.com>, chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
> 
> 	That stat wal put to rest a few weeks ago! I'm not sure what the
> deal is with the Wings though. In my opinion, there are too many first
> line centers on the same team! Let's get rid of Jimmy Carson, and Paul
> Yserbart. Maybe we can pick up a solid defenseman for the two of them.

I agree. The lines should be centered by Yzerman, Fedorov, Drake, and
Primeau with Kozlov as the backup. It doesn't seem that Primeau is 
going to make it on the wing. I'm afraid that they are going to give 
up on him before they give him a decent shot at center. Then he'll
go somewhere else and be a star (like Joe Murphy). Every time I see
Primeau, I think that we could have had Jagr (he was drafted behind
Primeau).

Keith Mews

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From: hillig@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Hilli Gibson)
Subject: Pittsburgh lost 2nd and 3rd
Keywords: chicken pluckers unite!
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:30:41 GMT

I miss this great news !! who did Pittsburgh lose his second and
third game against ?
Can anybody tell me it ? I am glad to hear that so that
no fans brag too much of his club any more.

It is a sign of the life time for a club like Edmonton to move on to
the fourth place now.
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From: kak1@cypress31.cray.com (Kevin Kramer)
Subject: Re: Northstars atop the Norris!
Originator: kak1@cypress31
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:30:06 CST


In article <1992Nov6.075536.956@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jjungbau@yoda.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
> 
> The Northstars lead the Norris division after Thursday's
> 3-0 win over the Islanders in Bloomington.  John Casey 
> with the shutout, stopping 28 shots.  Dave Gagner had two 
> goals.  Any other Stars fans out there at least mildly excited 
> about this team?
> 

Yes, I think they might actually be playing well this season (though
there doesn't seem to be much to compare them to in the snorris div)
I sure hope that the Stars stay in the met center.  I love that building,
there is not a bad seat in the house. (besides its only 15 mins from my apt)
I find the target center repulsive, I thought that they used to name great 
buildings after great men (or women) not after shopping centers. 
Any opinions on this?  Maybe its just me, but I am getting sick of all this 
commercialism (how about those ads on the ice, REALLY neat huh?)

Kevin
From: ballm@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: A bit of fun 8=) 8=(
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:58:59 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

Well thankyou all for your ammusing comments it has been fun listening to your 
non biased reasonings. I guess next time I should use 8=) or 8=( to ensure
that you know it was all in fun, 8=)

It was better than reading all this wrens/canuck etc crap.  8=0

To clear the air I believe any player who plays in ANY proffesional league
ANYWHERE in the world is not a rookie when they come to the NHL.

I do not approve of any player who refuses to go to the team that drafts
him/her, ( as in should be thankful for employment ).

If you believe that the gate money is 90% of the NHL's income then quit going
and lets see these dumb contracts go away. note.......8=).


well ttfn

mike


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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Possible Calgary trades???
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:33:10 GMT
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Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <1992Nov9.140905.2877@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <1dc6uoINN8fv@network.ucsd.edu>, kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>> Why couldn't Calgary give both Nieuwendyk and Gilmour 
>> the big contracts?
>
>For the obvious reason that Calgary is not a big city in the sense that
>Toronto, Montreal, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc. are BIG cities. There
>is a limit as to what Calgary can charge for tickets and still expect to fill
>the Saddledome, and there is no lucrative local TV contract. The Flames and
>other small-market teams like Edmonton, Winnipeg, Quebec City, and even some
>American ones like Hartford just can't afford to throw a million bucks in the
>face of every player on the team like the above cities (and Pittsburgh) do.
>
>                                                       Alan
>                                               rec.sport.hockey contact
>                                               for the Calgary Flames
> 
          
Thanks for the response, but the question I posed was meant to be rhetorical.
I used to live in Calgary, so I am well aware that Calgary is a small
media market.  It amazes me that the NY Yankees get $100 million for
its cable rights, and the Flames probably get $50,000 from CFAC to
televise its games.

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
 
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From: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz)
Subject: Pool trade....
Reply-To: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:33:17 GMT

So, I'm in my fantasy hockey game, and I make the following trade:
I trade Jeremy Roenick and get Dmitri Kvartalnov and Ron Francis.

Whaddaya think? ")

P.S. Tom Kurvers is still God.

P.P.S.  Oh yeah, in the league points = (3*goals)+assists-(PIM/5)
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 13:34:33 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: CMU Hockey results


Lots of folks wrote to me last year thanking me for keeping them updated
on the CMU hockey team.  Here are last weekend's results:

CMU    8
CCAC   0

CMU   10
Pitt   4

Jeez, with scores like these they sound like the Penguins Junior (although
they give up fewer goals than the Pens do!!). :)

Mom.

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Jari Kurri Reborn?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:48:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.162737.6631@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> coop4y44@bnr.ca (Lorraine Galvin) writes:
>So what's with Jarri Kurri this year?  His production had trailed off
>considerably in his last few seasons with Edmonton, and his return to the NHL
>with the Kings last (?) season was less than sensational, but this season he
>seems to be playing like a man (re-)possessed!
>

Kurri did not trail off his last few years with Edmonton...unless you
consider 90-100 points playing with a defensive center most of the time
trailing off.

Gerald
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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)
Subject: Re: Oates-Janney Trade revisited
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:28:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.211923.7567@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>Here are some stats:
>
>If Janney would have played all of last year on St. Louis, his projected
>stats would be:   115 points  (he actually had 87)
>
>If Oates  would have played all of last year on Boson    , his projected
>stats would be:    92 points  (he actually had 99)
>

You cannot compare a portion of a season and project the point total.
When Janney came to St. Louis, he racked up some points but wasn't that
great. Janney is no Adam Oates. Janney disappeared in the playoffs while
Oates showed some leadership in Boston. (Why don't you compare their
playoff stats ?).

Compare their stats starting this season and there's no match.

>
>This year, Janney (from what I have seen) started the season playing on a
>different line than Hull's.  I can't figure out why.  The 2 of them obviously
>play well together; better than Hull/Oates if you look at stats!
>
>Let's wait and see.....
>
>--Dave
>
Hull and Janney started the season on the same line but they didn't click.
Janney struggled getting the puck to Hull and didn't work the corners.
Oates used to get after those loose pucks in the corner and dish them to
Hull.
I was the first one who said the Bruins got the best of the deal last
season and I still believe it. Some people suggested than Quintal evens
the deal but that's not true. Quintal is no Scott Stevens. He is big
and is pretty young but hasn't shown any sign of stability and leadership.


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From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: RANGERS NEWS: VanBiesbrouck hurt, trade rumors...
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:02:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov5.160645.2117@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>>	Latest trade rumors have RANGERS forward Dave Archibald (who 
>>has yet to play this season) going to Ottawa for a draft choice, or
>>going to Hartford along with other players for defenseman Zarley 
>>Zalapski and others......
>
>Just when you thought the Rangers had a problem with their defense,
>they look to make it bigger.....  Seriously, do they realize what they
>are doing?  Zalapski is a fairly decent defenseman, but his is
>offensive-minded, just like James Patrick and Brian Leetch.  The
>Rangers need defensive help, since Cirella and Hardy are aging traffic
>cones.  They should pursue a good stay-at-home defenseman...

Well, from the perspective of a Penguins' fan, I would love to see
Zalapski in a Rangers uniform, especially in a tight game.  While he
has all the talent in the world, he's never put it together, and he
will absolutely, always, disappear when things get tough.

And besides, we here in the 'burgh LIKE seeing Cirella and Hardy 
back there.  It makes us feel secure.

Most amazing stat of last year was Hardy being something like +30
for the regular season.  Talk about misleading stats.

rick

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From: harrison@mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison)
Subject: Singin' the Blues (St.Louis that is)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 23:48:10 GMT

Out o' curiosity, I was wondering how St. Louis fans view the big trade
between themselves and the Canuckleheads a year and a half ago. 
That was the one involving Momesso, Ronning, Courtnall, and Dirk for
Dan Quinn, Garth Butcher, and (I've shamed myself for forgetting the other,
if there even was another.)

I was thinking that the Blues sure could use Ronning to be a playmaking
centerman for Hull, much like he's doing here in Vancouver. :-)
I wonder if management in St. Louis has taken note of how well Ronning has
played the past 2 seasons and how well Courtnall is going this season 
(forget last season for Courtnall - he had mono for those that don't
know)?

Is everybody happy with Butcher? 

From a Vancouver standpoint, it looks like we gained much more than St. Louis.

Again, just my idle curiosity brewing.

Jeff 
- harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca
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From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Subject: SCLA Goes Broke
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 20:40:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Just a little side note from the ESPN-SCA controversy.

SportsChannel-Los Angeles officially folded yesterday.  What an embarassment.



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From: twollnik@fozzy.UUCP (Ted Wollnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: CHL:  FANS !!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:59:36 GMT
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Richardson Texas, USA

This is a simple post to get some responses out of all you RSH folks out
there.  Obviously, you should have all heard about the NEW Central Hockey
League, with teams in Dallas, Forth Worth, Memphis, Witchita, Oklahoma City,
and tulsa, but how many of you are interested in hering statistics on the
teams, players ...etc.

Marc Foster (and I) put together that CHL newsletter that goes out to RSH, 
but how many of you would be curious to see box scores...rosters...etc.

For instance, did you know that Brett Hull's little brother tried out for
the Forth Worth Fire?  His coach Peter Mahavolich (sp?), ex-canadians player,
cut him.  

For instance, did you know that Chris Chelios' little brother Steve, tried out
for the Dallas Freeze.  His coach, Ron Flockhart, ex-Flyers ex-blues player,
kept him on the roster.

Is there any interest out there for more CHL information ??

===============================================================================
| Ted Wollnik Jr                         | Go Black Hawks !!!                 | 
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| god damn the father without face, without name		              |
| and god damn the lovers who never showed up				      |
| and god damn the wounds that show how deep a word can cut		      |
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yeah I know (DALLAS) !! but at least it HOCKEY !!!!
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From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (RICHARD  Maurice)
Subject: Re: Possible 1994 Olympic Hockey Rosters
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:13:48 GMT

In article <1dappmINNd2k@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>In two years, alot of things can happen (Gretzky retires, Mario's back goes
>out etc, etc) but here are possible hockey rosters for the 1994 Winter Olympics
>(if the NHL lets them go):
>
>===============================================================================
>CANADA: 
>
>Forwards: Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Mario Lemieux, Steve Yzerman,
>          Joe Sakic, Doug Gilmour, Theoren Fleury, Eric Lindros,
>          Trevor Linden, Steve Larmer, Rick Tocchet, Mark Recchi,
>          Gary Roberts, Luc Robitaille, Joe Juneau
>
>(I know I have too many centers, but some will have to play wing.  I also know
>I don't have enough defensive forwards but I could use Gilmour, Roberts, Larmer
>as my checking line)
>
>Defense: Ray Bourque, Paul Coffey, Al MacInnis, Eric Desjardins, Steve Smith, 
>         Scott Stevens, Dave Manson, Scott Neidermayer, Rob Blake
>
>Goal: Bill Ranford, Ed Belfour, Kirk McLean
>       
>===============================================================================
>
Belfour ???? What about Patrick Roy? Andy Moog? These 2 goalies have 
proven to be good every year for the past while.


Maurice Richard
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From: stud7b43@bmerh925.bnr.ca (Mike Squance)
Subject: Re: WHERE TO GET NHL STATISTICS
Reply-To: newuser@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:40:16 GMT


|> mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >by the way, you have to use the finger command.
|> 
|> >although I thought it was self explanatory, evidently people didn't
|> >realize that you don't need to ftp in order to read a plan..
|> 
|> >issue this command:	finger mmilitzo@hal.skidmore.edu
|> 
	For anyone that is using my hockey pool program, and doesn't
	know...
			finger mmilitzo@hal.skidmore.edu > nhlstats

	will put the info in a file for the program.

	Mike.
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