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From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:40:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug29.234948.22223@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann) writes:
>> Southwest Division: Dallas, Denver, Houston, Kansas City, Phoenix
>
>     Pardon my French, but screw you.  You talk
>about regional rivalries?  Phoenix has nothing to
>do with Missouri and Texas, and has no desire to.

[Blah blah blah about Phoenix belonging in the NFC West deleted.]

>
>     We'll either stay where we are or join the
>NFC West, thank you very much.  No offense, but
>you can keep Missouri and Texas for yourself.

Wait a minute, here.  Look up a few lines.  "Screw you.  But no offense." :-)

Hello, moron?  Is there anyone home?  There are five teams in each proposed di-
vision.  Let's look at the Pacific division, where all of the LA teams are.

LA Raiders... That's one.
LA Rams... That's two.
San Diego... That's three.
San Francisco... That's four.
Seattle... That's five.

Sorry, snapperhead, no room for Phoenix. (You might also notice that all five
cities are really on the Pacific Ocean, unlike Phoenix, which is in the middle
of nowhere.)  I guess they'll have to play in the same division as

Dallas... NFC Wild Card in '91
Denver... AFC West Champ in '91
Houston... AFC Central Champ in '91
Kansas City... AFC Wild Card in '91

"But Mommy, I don't want to go 0-8 in divisional play."
"Shut up, kid, and put on your Cardinals jersey."

Wait a minute.  I know what I'll do.  Just for you, I'll fiddle around with the
divisions.  How about this:

California (and Arizona Suburbs) Division: LA Raiders, LA Rams, Phoenix, San
  Diego, San Francisco

Happy That They Don't Live in California Division: Dallas, Denver, Houston,
  Kansas City, Seattle

Happy now?
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From: dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: steelers punter
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:45:47 GMT

dlingle@andy.bgsu.edu (don lingle) writes:


>What do you all think of the new Steelers punter?
>He put on quite a show the other night.

>Unfortunately having your punter as player of the game
>is not the best statistic although I for one hope
>that he continues this kind of punting through the
>regular season.

I didn't see the game, but is this the guy that they got from the
Bucs after the Bucs got the Steeler's punter from Plan B?  If so,
I don't think he will keep it up...last year, he was last in the
AFC in punting yards.

						-Dave
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eric Dorsey
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:10:08 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <BtsDDA.I0z@acsu.buffalo.edu>  (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:

>In article <1992Aug30.041633.3972@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, (Ashish Sagar) writes...
>> 
>>Can NY Giant fans shed some light on the current status and past
>>performances of Eric Dorsey??(If there existed a player by that name).
>> 
>>Or in general, did a player by this name play in the NFL in recent
>>times??
>
>I think he's their nose-tackle now.
>He was (or is) holding out, I think.

I think Tim is thinking about Eric Howard who is the NT for the Giants and held
out until this past week.

Eric Dorsey was a first-round draft pick (19th player taken overall) in the
1986 draft. He has been with the Giants the whole time and took over the DE
spot when George Martin retired. He has never lived up to his first-round
status, but is the strongest person on the Giants team (in the weight room).

FYI, this year Dorsey has cut back on the weights and started with karate to
improve his agility and quickness. It seems to have helped - Dorsey is having
the best training camp since he became a Giant.
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From: bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: NFC Central (was Re: 1992 Forecast)
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:00:51 GMT

From article <1992Aug24.213600.14238@pdn.paradyne.com>, by lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James):
> In article <1992Aug24.145742.17921@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
>>My own NFC Central Predictions:
>>
>>5) Tampa Bay (no QB, no head coach, no chance)
>>
> Fine, bash Vinny Testaverde, I believe you have a right to do that because
> he hasn't, for whatever reason,  shown, on the field,  that he can play QB
> in this league.  At least, not consistently. I, personally, am pulling for
> him because I have seen the great,  great,  attitude that this man has had
> while being asked to play in the most difficult of circumstances. However,
> I HOPE that every team we play this year  will approach  their preperation
> for our game with the moronic view  that Sam Wyche  is not  an NFL calibre
> coach.
> --
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I agree with you Leo and I think people will be surprised by the Bucs
defense this year.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were ranked in the top
five.  The offense needs a lot more work and I don't think Testaverde
or DeBerg will shine with an offensive line that provides no protection.


Brendan Dwyer

"Coach! Coach!  That big boy, number 72, jumped on me (sniff) and hurt me
and said some bad words (sniff) and my turf toe really hurts and ..."
V. Testaverde
From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: San diego starter at QB?
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:53:55 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

Will be announced tomorrow... walter



In article <1992Aug28.084148@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov>, voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek) writes:
> watched part of the game...who is the starter at QB for
> the season.... 
> 
> humphrey? or gagalino.... humphrey had a pretty good game
> 
> dave
Organization: Office of the Dean - CFA, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 10:05:58 -0400 
From: Liz Fox <lf01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Steeler starting QB - official?

On 02-Sep-92 in Steeler starting QB - offic..
user htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Has Pittsburgh's starting quarterback formally been announced? 
>It seemed pretty evident that it would be O'Donnell. 

Yes, Coach Cowher named Neil as the starting QB.

Liz
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: ESPN - Young - Bono
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:53:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095FC40.3E55BAC0
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Hi there
--------

Last night in their breakdown segment ESPN made an
interesting comparison between Steve & Steve.
There was a remark that the players 'liked Young
more than Bono' . They also said (the usual
complaint) that Young is more inclined to run (he
could be a running back for SF) and hence
creates confusion. 
Anyway, Seiffert has made his decision and let's
wait and see what happens.

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RAM            		       BULLS -93	

Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
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From: privat@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jim Privat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Holdout status??
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:20:48 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server


Quick question on two holdout WR's:

Michael Irvin and Andre Rison -- is either of them even
close to signing??

Thanks,

Jim Privat
jimp@hpssl40.mayfield.hp.com
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From: johnm@meaddata.com (John Manley)
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:43:47 GMT
Cc: jefff

In article <1992Aug28.124255.8813@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
|> Hilgenberg Update
|> -----------------
|> 
|> The trade is done, according to WGN - Chicago and WKNR - Cleveland, 
|> Jay Hilgenberg to Cleveland for a conditional 4th round draft choice in 1993. 
|> 
|> If Hilgenberg plays at his previous performance level, 
|> the 4th round pick changes to a 2nd round pick. There are no details what 
|> "previous performance level" is defined as. 
|> 
|> Jay will travel with Art Modell this afternoon to Tampa. Art is going to
|> speak to a luncheon crowd at 12:30 today, then he is to fly to Tampa.
|> Jay will not play tonight.
|> 
|> There is a rumor that Wide Receiver, Bruce Hill, former Bucaneer, will be
|> signed by the Browns. Bruce was worked out last week by the Browns, but no
|> deal was worked out between the Browns and the Bucs. Bruce was waived on
|> Tuesday, so no compensation is required.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Any comments from some Bear fans?

Yeah. You're welcome, Cleveland!

|> 
|> 
|> More News later,
|> 
|> Don Mocnik

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From: mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mark Bavarro
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:36:19 EST

In article <BtyFFM.8CD@encore.com>, dtodd@wizard.encore.com (Donald Todd) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know anything about Mark Bavarro?  I heard that he started
> pre-season with the Browns.  Is he still there?  Is he expected to
> start at TE?
> 
> Thanks!
> -Don
> 


Mark Bavaro MADE the Browns roster. He will share playing time with Pete 
Holohan. The starter has not been officially mentioned. Mark's knee won't
allow him to play every down, as he did before, but he will still see 
plenty of action.

Mark looked good in the few minutes of time he got during the pre-season.
He looked great blocking, (his specialty), and showed surprising quickness
after catching a few passes (I thought the knee injury would slow him).
He says the knee must be iced down after any workout (ie game or practice),
but he feels good otherwise. At the beginning of camp, he was unsure how his
knee would hold up. Last week, I heard he was happy with his progress and
was ready to start the season. I'm glad he's a Brown!!!!

Later,

Don Mocnik
From: jack1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (john.fijolek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:59:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Aug31.155911.23276
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <BILLMS.92Aug31075013@z.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.224347.9217@meaddata.com> johnm@meaddata.com (John Manley) writes:
> 
>    In article <1992Aug28.124255.8813@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>    |> Hilgenberg Update
>    |> -----------------
>    |> 
>    |> 
>    |> 
>    |> Any comments from some Bear fans?
> 
>    Yeah. You're welcome, Cleveland!
> 
> Cleveland!  Hell, who got helped more here, Cleveland or Detroit?
Cleveland, Detroit; Whats the difference? Neither team is going 
anywhere this year:-). BTW Hilgenberg couldn't handle Jerry Ball anyway.

jack
From: paul@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Keywords: Satellite
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:44:02 GMT
Reply-To: paul@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD Graphics Subsystem Development
Originator: paul@wadehra.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Aug25.180202.11797@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, jjdti@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.D.Tilander) writes:
> 
> Okay...I haved lurked here and watched this argument.  These NFC easters are 
> football SNOBS!!  No most people don't like or care to watch your boring 
> teams, I don't care how many Super Bowls they've won...that's stupid anyway.
> Super Hype Toilet Bowl is more like it.
> 
> Even though my favorite team shall remain unnamed, I have to say I'd much
> rather watch Dolphins, KC, Denver, Raiders, Oilers, even the Forty-niners
> before those boring NFC EAst matchups.    
> 
> And the concept of strongest division...it changes from year to year...
> depends a lot on injuries, etc.  I agree...get off it!  It's old! 
> -- 
> Janet Tilander
> Chevron Exploration and Production Services Co.
> San Ramon, CA

Can you say sour grapes? (-:


-- 
Paul Wadehra
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:28:07 GMT
	<BILLMS.92Aug31075013@z.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1992Aug31.155911.23276@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <1992Aug31.155911.23276@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jack1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (john.fijolek) writes:

   Cleveland, Detroit; Whats the difference? Neither team is going 
   anywhere this year:-). BTW Hilgenberg couldn't handle Jerry Ball anyway.

   jack

They guys on the score swear that Ball ate him up in game one, and Hilgy at
up Jerry (now there is a tday feast) in game #2.  Supposedly, Hilgy used the
film of that to go to the bears and prove that he could still play, inspite
of what Madden said was happening on the field (he apparently was setting
Jerry up to win the turkey leg).  I don't remember any specifics, and i don't
go back to look at tape, but thats what some of the guys around Chitown (that
was for you jack!) have been saying.

bill
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From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: fantasy information other place/group
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:55:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com

In article 121035@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov, voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek) writes:
>this group is becoming way to filled up with F.F. stuff..
>it is great...but i like to here more information on players
>teams, etc.... football polls and F.F. stuff need to be moved
>maybe to rec.sport.football.misc.....  there is very little
>traffic there and maybe this stuff is more misc related...

Yeah, good idea.  There is not really anything there.

nate
From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cowboys Cuts
Keywords: cowboys
 
 Hey, does anyone have a list of the Cowboys' cuts?  Have they signed anyone
 from the other rosters yet? (ie Carlos Huerta?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:09:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: unify


 Tim.
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From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: Re: Help on Television BlackOut Rules
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Summary: I stand corrected.
Keywords: 24 hours
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:54:57 GMT

     I stand corrected by another netter who knows better than I. The time 
limit is 72 hours, not 24.

>
>Go Reds! Go Buckeyes! Go Browns!
>David Rodabaugh                  rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>Senior, Mechanical Engineering
>The Ohio State University
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From: fishkin@parc.xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Subject: Re: 49ers:Haley traded
Reply-To: fishkin@parc.xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:42:53 GMT

I agree that the 49er trade of Haley seems like a steal
for the Cowboys. The amazing thing to me about this trade
is one line from the Chronicle sports story on the trade:
	"Dallas was the only team that made an offer for Haley,
who was on the trading block at his request after last sason...."

    NO OTHER TEAM even made an _offer_? Sure, Haley's weird, but I'd
put up with some weirdness for the 1990 player of the year.

-- 
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From: mph@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael P Harrington)
Subject: NFL Schedule wanted
Originator: mph@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:44:08 GMT


If anyone has a file with the full season NFL schedule, could you
please E-mail it to me.  I'm involved in a pool and we would like a full
schedule for the picks.

Thanks in advance
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mph@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Oilers
Keywords: oilers
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:22:06 GMT

In article <BtK5Hu.H3r@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
>
>>In article <dbrown.714768729@beagle>, dbrown@boulder.Colorado.EDU
>>(David Brown) writes:
>
>	*STUFF DELETED*
>
>>|> 8.  Who will be the starting wideouts when the season opens?  
>> 
>>Duncan, Harris, Jeffires, and Harris would be my guess.
>
>I assume you mean Duncan, Harris, Jeffires, and Givens.	    
>
>Thats all T. Mac

Well, I can't speak for what Mr. Brown meant, but Houston does have both
a Leonard Harris and a Corey (I think its Corey) Harris at WR.

Thus, Duncan, Harris, Jeffires, and Harris is perfectly valid.

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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: POOL - Game Moved? -- PICKS
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:18:07 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software


My apologies for posting my picks.  I could have sworn I pressed the 'R'
key... ;-)


Gordon
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Help Needed!!  Super Bowl XXVI info needed...
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:29:05 GMT
Keywords: request, help, super, bowl 

I need some info on Super Bowl XXVI, Redskins vs. Buffalo. 

I need:
  the score,
  the site,
  the attendance,
  the MVP.

Thanks in advance.

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu


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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Giants QB situation
Keywords: Simms, Hostetler
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:32:43 GMT


The starting QB will be named Sunday.
-- 

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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Steeler review vs. Giants
Organization: Clark University
Date: 30 AUG 92 02:18:46 GMT

Would someone care to post stats/remarks about the Steelers' performance, I
wasn't able to see the game. Last I saw they were up 24-3 in the fourth.
I'm assuming O'Donnell started at QB since he seemed to be alternating
starts with Brister.

Thanks,

Bart
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From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (WCK)
Subject: Re: GOD I HATE THE RAMS!
Keywords: Tegger speakth
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:50:17 GMT

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>In article <1992Sep3.173925.15448@cci632.cci.com> teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas Gauger) writes:
>>
>>The TEGGER speaks:
>>
>>Ye sayth unto thee that the Bills shall win thy game against thy
>>Mountain Goats. Thy Mountain Goats shall be rousted from thyne playing
>>field by thy boisterous fans. Thee subject Everest shall be caused to
>>tumble from thy Mountain and shall not return.
>>
>>The all great and powerful TEGGER has spoken!!!!
>>
>>
>>==================================
>>The TEGGER
>>Rochester's self proclaimed #1 Bill's Fan
>>
>>Section C5
>>Row 32
>>Seats 109 & 110
>>
>>GOD I HATE THE RAMS!!!
>>
>>Buffalo: 17
>>Rams:    10

>Have you had deep pit, barbequed goat?  Hmmm, Hmmmm, Good!
>The Rams are a team I really dislike and I just remembered
>I also dislike the Bills.  Therefore, my prediction is
>truly "unbiased".

>Buffalo: 27
>Rams:    35

If you are as unbiased as you say,then you must be stupid
 

Bills  : 31
Rams   : 13 

How could it go the other way-huh?
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From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:07:26 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

Don Mocnik writes:
>The trade is done, according to WGN - Chicago and WKNR - Cleveland, 
>Jay Hilgenberg to Cleveland for a conditional 4th round draft choice in 1993. 

Darn, I hate to see this -- it does not bode well for the performance
of the offensive line this year.  While Fontenot and some of the other
newer players show some promise, it would be been better to pay Hilgenberg
the extra money so that he'd around to teach them -- in addition to playing
at the Pro-Bowl level he's achieved seven seaons in a row.

The compensation of a 4th round draft choice is appalling, considering
Hilgenberg's abilities.  While the Bears do draft well, and will probably
put this pick to good use, they should have gotten a 1st-rounder for Jay.

It's been hard to watch the dismantling of the '85 team; I was very much
hoping for Hilgenberg, like Payton and McMichael and Hampton and Singletary,
to end his playing days in a Bear uniform.

I'll bet Ditka was *not* happy about this one...he'd probably rather
have sent the Fridge to join his brother. :-)
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