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From: Phil Buxton  <Phil Buxton @BNR.ca>
Subject: Bibliographies and all that
Organization: Bell Northern Research
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:22:29 GMT

Before I found the FAQ, I created a type of Bibliography
that seems much easier than the solutions proposed in 
the FAQ.  Tell me if this makes any sense!

Create a std file separate from the test file and call it Biblio
When you want to enter a Biblio entry, go to the Biblio file
and enter an autonumbered style para that contains the info.
Go back to the original file and cross reference the Biblio entry
just pulling the autonumber.  You can enter the 
biblio brackets as part of the cross reference style if you wish
but this may give prob if you are calling more than one ref at
individual sites in the doc.

You can cross reference the same info as many times as you 
want from any number of files in the book.

The only other thing that you may want to do is to order 
the list in some way.  After completing the document, you will 
have to manually sort the Biblio chapter.  
It wont destroy the markers and 
generate will correct all the references in the book.

Now if Frame will introduce a sort command......
If you have a really long Biblio, mine was only 20 or so
references.....I haven't tried this, but you could MIF, 
export into MSWORD or other editor with sort, build a 
table of data, [no. and author],sort alpha, renumber,
de-tableise, and reopen in FRAME....
Does this help?
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: tina@csi.on.ca (Tina Klein)
Subject: <$paratag>
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:08:13 GMT


One of my co-workers wants to have the option of printing paragraph
tags attached to every paragraph in his document.

I have devised a cumbersome method to automate the task within Frame,
but for a small document - we are probably better off to type the tag
names in manually.

Has anyone discovered an easy way to solve this problem?

The <$paratag> building block doesn't function inside the Paragraph
format dialog box...

All suggestion welcome
Thanks in advance,
T
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: caughey@engr.UVic.CA (Dave  Caughey)
Subject: Yet Another Frame Flow Question
Reply-To: caughey@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:23:45 GMT



I have a document in which each page is two-thirds text colummn,
as shown below

 ____________________________
|         _________________  |
|        |       text      | |
|        |                 | |
                :

Quite often, I want to import a graphic in the left two-thirds of
the page, and have the text wrap around,such as

|        |                 | |
|        |________         | |
|  _____________  |        | |
| |             | |        | |
| |   graphic   | |  text  | |
| |             | |        | |
| |_____________| |        | |
|         ________|        | |
|        |                 | |

The most obvious solution is to split the original text column into
three connected columns, and resize the middle column (adjacent to the
graphic).  This method works resonably well, except that text columns
absorb leading spaces.  Hence, if one paragraph ends in the last line
of the top column, there is no delineation between it and the next
paragraph which will start at the top of the middle flow.  This gives
the impression of run-on paragraphs.

The only solution I can think of is manually resizing the *length* of
the text flows to get the desired spacing, but if I then edit text prior
to the splits, I'll potentially screw up the spacing!

The optimal solution should not require modifying individual paragraphs'
properties, since text deletions and additions may cause paragraphs to
move, relative to the graphic.

Note: the "Using FrameMaker" doc suggests (under the section "Flowing
text around a graphic") that you "Split into lines" the middle column.
This is unecessary when the graphic is rectangular, and undesirable
if the flow-around text includes multiple paragraphs and the document
is prone to future editing.

Any thoughts?  Most wordprocessors for the Mac have been able to this for
years...

Thanks,
___________________________________________________________________________
Dave Caughey				Dept. of Elec. & Comp. Engineering
caughey@sirius.uvic.ca			P.O. Box 3055
                      			University of Victoria		  
"Ten million lemmings can't be wrong"   Victoria, B.C., CANADA V8W 3P6     	



Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: How long can you use FM?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:50:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.193357.9265@sei.cmu.edu> bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
>
>I've been having a lot of problems/pain with my right
>shoulder/blade while (and after) I use FrameMaker.  It's from
>using the mouse for extended periods of time (1-2 hour
>stretches w/o a break).
>

Doing 1-2 hours without a break is a no-no. I have mild carpal tunnel
problems and have to take a short break (10-15 seconds) every ten
minutes or so. During the break you should try to do exercises to
loosen up the shoulder/neck area; arm and neck rolls for example.

Mouse and keyboard placement are fairly critical if you want to avoid
pain. Rather than go into it here, I've got a lot of info on
repetitive stress injuries which I'll email if you're interested.
Also, there's a new newsgroup called sci.med.occupational that
exclusively deals with these issues. Anyway, the good news is that you
can probably cure the problem with postural adjustments, more frequent
rest breaks, and loosening exercises.

s

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From: Bruce_H_Ring@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Converting MacDraw to MIF
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 92 09:59:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


I am converting many Macintosh Microsoft Word files
to FrameMaker for Windows.  The Microsoft Word
files contain graphics created with MacDraw which
FrameMaker cannot convert.
 
I've heard rumors of a Frame utility/filter that
converts MacDraw files to MIF, but no one at Frame
knows about it.  Has anyone heard of such a thing?
(A Windows DLL would be fine.)  Is there any other
way to convert the graphics and keep them as vector
art with objects that FrameMaker for Windows can edit?
 
Bruce Ring
bruce_h_ring@cup.portal.com
From: eleonard@samson.hac.com (Ed Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: LaTex to Frame filter?
Keywords: TEX LATEX CONVERSION
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:23:33 GMT
Reply-To: eleonard@samson.hac.com
Organization: Hughes Training Incorporated, WCO

I would like to convert several existing LaTex documents to FrameMaker. Does such
a filter exist? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks in advance!

NOTE: Please respond via email to: eleonard@samson.hac.com

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Company : Hughes Training Incorporated	     Fax   : 818-969-9811
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From: bsridhar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sridhar B)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Xdefaults for placement of frame startup window
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:31:49 GMT
Followup-To: bsridhar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sridhar B)
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
Originator: bsridhar@mordred.eng.buffalo.edu


I have a problem with defining the geometry for the initial startup window that
pops up when frame is started. I am running frame3.1x on X11R5 with twm using
Sun OS 4.1.2 . When I specify the geometry thus:

	Maker.makerkit.geometry:        322x66+831+140

It doesn't work. Instead I get the dotted outline which I have to place myself.
Any solutions?

Sridhar
From: rob@cs.man.ac.uk (Robert Marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Page numbering in Books
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:45:54 GMT
Reply-To: Robert Marshall <rajm@cs.man.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester

I wish to have page numbers  of the style Page xx of yy in a mulit-file book.
The FAQ helpfully says:
>If you place text such as "Page <Current Page #> of <Page Count>"
>(where <xxx> signifies a variable) in the footer, you will get the
>expected results for a single-file document, but not for a mutli-file
>book.  The solution is replace the variable <Page Count> with a
>cross-reference to a paragraph on the last page of the last file in
>the book.  The format of the cross-reference should be <$pagenum>.
>Make sure that you perform "File Generate/Update Files" from the book
>before you print, to update all cross-references.

However, on the last page of my document is the final page of a multi
page table, so there don't seem to be any paragraphs to reference. At
the moment I've put a spurious footnote at the end of the table, are
there any sensible solutions?

Robert
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From: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
Subject: Re: Carriage returns in an autonumber
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:58:38 GMT
Reply-To: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM

In article <1992Nov2.144912.17779@sei.cmu.edu>, bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
|> 
|> I want headings like this:
|> 
|> 	1.
|> 	Operational Definition of the
|> 	Capability Maturity Model
|> 
|> 	2.
|> 	Internal Structure of the 
|> 	Maturity Level
|> 
|> Where "1" and "2" are part of the autonumber and the text
|> that follows the autonumber begins on the line beneath the
|> the number.
|> 
|> I've tried defining the autonumber as:
|> 
|> 	L:<n+>.\x0a
|> 
|> But that doesn't work.  
|> 
|> Ideally, I'd like to force a line feed (rather than a forced
|> return) into the autonumbering so that if I have the numbered
|> field's "Below" set to 1", the break in the autonumbering
|> does not invoke the 1" bottom margin.
|> 
|> Any ideas?
|> Thanks.
|> Barbara
|> 
|> 	
|> 


     As a workaround, of course, putting a Meta-Return before the start
     of the paragraph text works, and doesn't pick up the "Below" value.
     But that isn't automatic.  I think the "\r" (forced return) directive
     should work this way if put into an autonumber box.

     Just in case this hasn't been logged before, I sent a bug report to
     comments@frame.com and got the following response:

===========================================
Return-Path: <fmga.frame.com!bre@frame.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:01:41 EST
To: jackson@frame.com
Subject: Frame bug - autonumbering directive

case # 64946

Jeff,

I have logged a bug with engineering, and forwarded your email to them
as well. Hopefully we will see this feature in a future version of
FrameMaker.


Thank you for your interest in FrameMaker. If you have further
questions on this particular issue, please contact me directly.
If you have comments or questions on other matters regarding
Frame or FrameMaker, please direct your mail to:
comments@frame.com

Regards,

Bret Elliott <bre@frame.com>
Frame Technical Support
404 392-3403 ext 284
===========================================


    Here's hoping it gets fixed.


    - JWJ                 "If at first you don't succeed, redefine success."
                                      - Author Unknown
From: jubo@rwthi3.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Juergen Boerstler)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Ellis Horwood format
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:05:48 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen

Dear netters,

is anybody out there who has the formatting guidelines of Ellis Horwood LTD
(a publisher of computer science books) coded in FrameMaker (I prefer V3, or
at least 2.1). If so, please e-mail the document in a compressed version, or
FrameMaker interchange format to the address below.

Thanks, in advance
	jubo
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: gutzmann@acri.fr (Kurt Gutzmann)
Subject: Re: Chapter numbering in books
Reply-To: gutzmann@acri.fr
Organization: Advanced Computer Research Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:48:38 GMT

In article 13394@etrog.se.citri.edu.au, isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin) writes:
>Does anyone have any idea why the self-same definition of a chapter heading
>all of a sudden stops incrementing at chapter 3?
>
>Yes, I checked that the chapter which goes back to Chapter one, and checked
>that (from the book menu, set up file) the paragraph numbering just
>continues.
>

This problem happens when the flow name in your weirdo chapter 3 is
different from the the flow names of Chs1-2.  Might be that you have
flow "A" in Ch-1.doc and flow "A" in Ch-2.doc (both of which are
autoconnect attribute on). And then flow "B" in Ch-3.doc, which has
its own stream of auto-increment variables.  
  At least, this is what the problem was when it happened here.
Soln: make sure the flows are all named the same and have the same
attributes in all the files comprising the book.



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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: vening@skyhawk.chdasic.sps.mot.com (Michele Vening)
Subject: Re: Page numbering in generated files
Summary: program to generate book
Keywords: MIF book generation FrameMaker programs
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector, Arizona
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.181316.27433@informix.com> robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg) writes:
>This is a basic book-making capability that is, indeed, missing in Frame.
>
>The closest thing to a workaround that I know of is to save the book file
>as a mif and use a text-editor to change the setup information. This
>is much faster than going through the Setup dialog box which has to be
>CLOSED AND REOPENED FOR EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER WHOSE SETUP YOU WANT TO
>CHANGE! (are you there, Frame?)

Ok...*sigh*  So many people have complained about this that I feel 
obligated to say something...  I have some programs I've written...er,
hacked together...to get around just this problem.  I have programs to:
a) create a new book based on what you tell the program you want (this
includes setting up paragraph and page number), b) re-order an existing 
book, preserving the cross-references, c) delete catalogs from a file, 
and d) change the paragraph catalog and re-map paragraph styles.  All 
these work on MIF.  The programs are a combination of C and C shell scripts.  

ASSUMING I can obtain permission from my employer to post them, and 
allowing me some time to get them into less-hacked-up shape, how many are
interested?  Would anyone be interested in doing a little work?  Please 
respond via email to vening@chdasic.sps.mot.com.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: Possible to shrink-wrap text columns?
Keywords: shrink-wrap, text columns, resize
Cc: kent_peterson@qm.sri.com
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:31:04 GMT


In article <kent.721367220@updike>, kent@updike..sri.com (Kent Peterson) writes:
|> Is there a FrameMaker command/dialogue box/attribute that will make a text
|> column "auto-size" to the text included in it (i.e., a text column that
|> "shrink-wraps" to the vertical dimension of the enclosed text)? Ditto for auto-
|> sizing frames.
|> 
|> I'm trying to write a report with figure captions of variable
|> lengths.  Right now, I'm setting up an anchored frame containing the EPS
|> figure and a text column with the figure caption.  Each time I make a new
|> figure (and caption) I have to "hand-craft" the vertical dimensions of the
|> text column and the frame.  Is there any way to have FrameMaker do this
|> automatically?

Tables to the rescue again!

Do each figure as a table: 1 column, 2 rows.
First row contains the graphic (in an anchored frame).
Second row contains the caption.

The height of each row, as well as the entire table, is auto-sized to fit what
you put in it.

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
From: rfisel@informix.com (Rick Fisel)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: fooling Frame into monochrome captures on X/Motif
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:23:41 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I have a Sparc IPX with a greyscale monitor, and our products look great on the
screen, but the captures leave something to be desired; on a monochrome monitor
I used to get great screen captures. Is there a way to fool Frame into capturing
in monochrome, or else to fool X/Motif and mwm into displaying in mono for 
Framemaker's benefit?

Our Motif gurus don't know the answer to this one...

Thanks,

Rick

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I prefer replies by email.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Chapter numbering in books
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:25:24 GMT

Does anyone have any idea why the self-same definition of a chapter heading
all of a sudden stops incrementing at chapter 3?

Yes, I checked that the chapter which goes back to Chapter one, and checked
that (from the book menu, set up file) the paragraph numbering just
continues.

The numbering definition is pretty boring:

H:SECTION <n+>\t

with autonumbering on.

It goes back to one after three chapters.

If I change around the order of the chapters, it still goes
back to one after the first three chapters and seems to not
care what file is what chapter ....

I am running 3.1X on a Sun 670 under mwm
From: div@NAD.3Com.COM (Dinesh Venkatachalam x5498)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Frame on PC's (MS Windows)
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:53:12 GMT
Reply-To: div@NAD.3Com.COM
Organization: 3Com Corp

If you plan to install Frame on your PC use MsWindows 3.1 DONT USE MsWindows3.0

P.S: Is there any way similar to Frame on SUN to print the output to a postscript
file from the Menu command on the PC. I can get it only to print to a printer.
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From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: rotation in framemaker
Keywords: rotation
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:49:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: SSD.1992Nov5.204940.29008
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel

In article <5493@gold.gvg.tek.com> aaront@gold.gvg.tek.com (Aaron Tonissen) writes:
>I am writing this to hopefully save
>some of you folks alot of frustration.  I am using Frame on a Sun 3/80
>workstation.  Occasionally I wanted to rotate objects (boxes/rectangles)
>in something other than 90 degrees.  In Frame version 2.1 this was listed in
>the manual set.  When version 3.1 manuals came along, it was no longer
>included.  With version 3.1 this can still be accomplished.  One way is
>to select the object then type "escape x x 1.  This will bring up a menu
>asking for rotation angle.  If you type "escape x x 2", the mouse controls 
>the rotation angle.  Hold down the left mouse button and frag to your hearts
>content.  Hope this helps. 

In versions up to 2.1 the UNDOCUMENTED commands to perform free
rotation were "<Esc> x x 1" and "<Esc> x x 2".  In version 3.0 and
later, the equivalent commands are now documented (see page 9 in
"FrameMaker Shortcuts"):

	TO ROTATE OBJECTS:			PRESS:
	To a precise angle (using dialog box)	<Esc> g x
	Interactively (using mouse)		<Esc> g i

These commands work only on lines, rectangles, polylines, polygons, and
freehand curves.

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  I prefer to think of myself as an ovo-lacto-carno-vegetarian.
From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Portability of .DOC files?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:37:30 -0800
Organization: The GRAFex Company

In <1992Nov5.194744.24250@bmers95.bnr.ca> khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:

>Frame claims that their binary files are portable across
>platforms.  I'd tried Mac <-> HPUX <-> PC without any problems.
>Sorry, I do not have access to a Sun to confirm that end.

Mac <--> PC <--> SPARC2 -- No problems.

steve

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