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From: c8923075@mystra.newcastle.edu.au (Chris Baird)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Simpsons pictures on FTP?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 06:01:44 -0400
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^ 	I HAVE to get pictures for the icons now!! Where can I ftp gifs or
^ whatever of the simpsons?  Are there any icon-ready potraits? (50X50)?

Waddaya know, I was just about to post a notice announcing that my
newly created collection of ~90 16-colour icons is now available,,

The collection can be requested by sending email to to the account
below with Subjects of ``Gimme icons1.uu'' and ``Gimme icons2.uu''
(case sensative, approx size of each file ~150k).  Do NOT reply to
this message without first changing the Reply-To header, otherwise
it'll be echoed throughout the mailing list and OFN.


ObLegal: For Private use only.

 PS: The gif files have been concatenated using lharc,,
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From: madera@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Gangster)
Subject: Kamp Krusty Vague Reference?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:30:56 GMT

Bart's locker combination, 36-24-36...wasn't this the measurement
Sir Mix-a-lot wanted on a 5'3" woman in the song, "Baby Got Back?"

Just wondering...

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From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: Where is Springfield?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date:  1 Oct 92 01:44:00 GMT

It's in a TV show, for God's sake!
Give up this thread already!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: jdonald@us.oracle.com (John R. Donald)
Subject: Re: A Streetcar Named Marge
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:54:24 GMT
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In article <1992Oct6.122026.20059@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:
>John Donald writes...
>>you are both wrong.  'streetcar' was more like a first season episode than
>>any i have seen in a long time, and that is why it was great.  it had more 
>>'edge' than the entire second season.
>
>IF that was really the case, then the second season would have been a
>perfect cure for imsomnia.  Even after watching the episode again...lame!
>
>Watch any of the first season episodes, then stack the Streetcar against
>them.  No contest....
>
I dont recall any other episode generating such strong differences of
opinion.  the only real issue I have about poor reviews of 'streetcar'
are the people who complain that there was no 'itchy and scratchy', no 
burns, no smithers.  
the day simpsons starts relying on a formula is the day i stop watching it.
i dont want every episode to have my favorite characters.  itchy and scratchy
should be a treat, not a staple.
-jd
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From: bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: last night
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:58:21 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

What other refrences to Randian things were there in the Streetcar 
espisode...they had a poster "A is A" and all the talking of self etc.  A 
peer of mine is always blabbing on about how great Rand stuff is, but he 
missed it and wanted to know what they had.

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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Streetcar blows!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:23:54 GMT

I rarely post anything on this newgroup, but after reading _many_ more posts
than I expected to see that said how great this episode was, I felt I had
to speak up. I watched this episode with a bunch of my friends, and, quite
frankly, none of us were impressed. Very few laughs, except for the scene
of Homer running full tilt into the candy machine, and complaining that
his pudding was trapped forever. However, Jon Lovitz was wonderful as the
voice of the crazy play producer. Basically, the "Great Escape" and 
"Streetcar .." references went waywaywayway over our heads--we all missed
most of the jokes in them, including the "Birds" references, because none
of us had ever seen these movies/plays/books/etc. The Maggie scenes were
100% predictable--we give the entire thing a thumbs down, except for 
Lovitz' character. I am curious as to how much of the rest of America
picked up on things like the "Ayn Rand" joke...my friends and I consider
ourselves fairly well educated but we just didn't understand the humor
if it was in this episode..
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 for an impossible prize..or is it the striving for that which is ever just
 out of reach which prevents madness from overtaking me?"  
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From: aa716@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Fields)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: French Lieutenant's Woman
Date: 29 Sep 1992 04:10:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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>In article <Bv413E.Msr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>>
>>     - Lisa, dressed in a shawl, handing the letter to the man on
>>       horseback.

>. . . Reminded me of The French Lieutenant's Woman

Yes!  It's either that or Far From the Madding Crowd (Bathsheba must
deliver her mail secretly to a man on horseback).  It's DEFINITELY not
Wuthering Heights.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Streetcar: Les Miz ref?
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:22:13 PST



I can't believe I spotted a reference no one else noticed, but it seemed so
obvious that I refuse to believe I'm wrong.  I think the musical version
of "Streetcar" was, at least in part, a spoof of the Broadway musical
"Les Miserables."  My support for this: the giant turning stage; the opening
number about New Orleans being hell, strongly reminiscent of the peasants
song at the start of Les Miz ("At the end of the Day you're another day older,
and that's all you can say for the life of the poor"); Marge's song about
how she thought life would be, which echoes Fantine's song "I Dreamed A
Dream."  It was much funnier, I think, since I know both the original
Streetcar AND Les Miz.

So what do you say, Simpsons wizards?  Could it be that I've *finally* been
the first to document a reference?  Does this mean I'll be immortalized in
the episode guide?  Would somebody else who's seen Les Miz please back me up
on this?
Joe Walker
walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
From: hship@sw.stratus.com (Howard Ship)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: [8F24] - Kamp Krusy - another DYN
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:00:44 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

No comment.  Just trying to move this thread where it belongs,
alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy.

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From: jdonald@us.oracle.com (John R. Donald)
Subject: Re: Streetcar blows!
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:50:05 GMT
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In article <BALDWIN.92Oct6091848@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil> baldwin@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin) writes:
>lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage, if that is, in fact, his real 
>   name) writes:
>>By the way, did anyone else think that Troy MacClure (one of my favorite bit
>>parts) did not sound like himself in this episode?
>
>Perhaps I am going insane, but the only reason I can think of is that
>Troy McClure did not appear in "A Streetcar Named Marge."  That would
>be a pretty good reason.
>
>I *do* remember an appearance by Lionel Hutz, Attorney at Law, filing
>a class-action suit against the director on behalf of everybody who
>was cut from the play and also playing Mitch.  His voice, for some
>reason, bears an uncanny resemblance to Troy's.
>--
> From the catapult of:              |+| "If anyone disagrees with anything I
>   _,_  J. D. Baldwin, Comp Sci Dept|+| say, I am quite prepared not only to
> _|70|___:::)=}-  U.S. Naval Academy|+| retract it, but also to deny under
> \      /   baldwin@usna.navy.mil   |+| oath that I ever said it." --T. Lehrer
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
troy mcclure was hosting the beauty paegent.  also, by amazing coincidence,
he (phil hartman) was hosting a 'greatest commercials' special on another
network.  i had come to expect better from him.

maybe the voice was changed slightly because both mcclure and hutz were in the
same episode, and they sounded too much alike.  have they ever appeared in
the same episode before?
-jd


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter)
Subject: `Streetcar Named Marge' - 8f18 - Pain...
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 04:30:01 GMT


To correct a mistake that -I- started...

The Bart quote from the supper table is...

`...pain in -me- Gulliver...'

It's tough to misspell a word on purpose (sometimes...)  :-)

And, as pointed out, no doubt that Bart has watched dear ol'
Alex a few too many times...

Ron `We're none of perfect...' Carter
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From: jdonald@us.oracle.com (John R. Donald)
Subject: Re: A Streetcar Named Marge
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:37:34 GMT
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In article <BvIEnA.41L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:
>
>>Strictly Opinion:  With the exceptions of the Maggie subplots, and Homer
>>at the candy machine, last night's episode was boringly mundane.  Granted,
>>those who enjoy Streetcar would have enjoyed it more, but the third
>>segment was too...*cheesy*.  For the second straight week in a row,
>>no Burns, Smithers, Itchy & Scratchy, etc., and the plot was unexceptionally
>>thin.  A yawner!
>
>>Does anyone think today's Simpsons has lost its edge?  There's such
>>a difference between today and the first season.  The characters each
>>had something I missed in everyone (except Maggie) last night:  that
>>*edge*.  
>
>Although I agree 100% with your analysis of last night's episode, I don't
>think that there's any evidence that the show in general has gone downhill.
>In fact, I think the show gets better with each passing season--the characters
>(particularly Homer and Burns) have finally found their voices, the animation
>is smoother, the humor is more subtle and more prevalent, and the plots in
>general are a lot less depressing.
>
>There were a lot of scenes in the first season episodes that were so heavy-
>handed and depressing that they weren't even funny.  I'm thinking particularly
>of Homer's suicide attempt in "Homer's Odyssey."  I think the writers of the
>show, with years of experience under their belt, could probably redo many of
>the first season episodes and improve them a hundredfold.
>
>
>                         --Steve Stelter
>                           sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
oh, so you like the simpsons more, because it is getting more and more like
the flintstones.  everyone is happy, everything is tidy.  all we need now
is the great gazoo.

you are both wrong.  'streetcar' was more like a first season episode than
any i have seen in a long time, and that is why it was great.  it had more 
'edge' than the entire second season.
-jd


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From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Otto the Thesbian
Date: 2 Oct 1992 13:48:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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The one line last night that kept me in stitches for several
minutes was dimwitted Otto's comment from the audience:

The Director: "You, the audience, are the real stars!"
Otto: "COOL!"

Also, Otto's pronunciation of his own name when introducing
himself to the other cast members.

Having Apu sing was a good idea. Where else but on the
Simpsons would you find a convenience store clerk
moonlighting in a wretched musical adaptation of
_A Streetcar Named Desire_ and singing a song which
rhymes "floozie" with "newsie"?

Certainly not _A Different World_.........

Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu
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 We'll just be bogus, too."-- Dr. Jeff Spicolli
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis)
Subject: Re: Birds movie ref.
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:51:42 GMT

In article <1ahg89INNber@cs.widener.edu> david.CLark@analog.COM (David Clark) writes:
>
> In the scene where Homer tiptoes through the babies, it reminds our Simpson
>viewing clan of Aliens II, where Sigourney (sp?) Weaver find the nest of
>eggs and must get Newt ( I think that's his name) out of there. But, the 
>shot of Hitchcock walking his dog outside the school tends to make me think
>it was a ref. of The Birds. Either way, it was damn funny!!!
>
>        Just my $.02 worth.
>             Dave (Isn't that a new flavor of mace?) Clark

 
 Had to be Aliens II, because Homer's footsteps had the same mic'ed sound
 that the Alien movies first introduced.  


tim
tim@vestek.com



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From: daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen)
Subject: Re: Kamp Butterfinger
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:23:39 GMT


>Oh Boy, you should see some of the crap we have to content with in
>Australia :: `The Simpsons' sliced bread, Pasta, scented toothbrushes,
>`Bart Simpson Clear Cola', Halloween masks (in Australia? get real!),
>Digital watches, punching bags, blah blah blah.  That's just the
>mainstream stuff.  I've also seen paddle-bats who's claim to fame was
>a picture of Bart, plastic coffee cups, chocolate bars, party napkins,

Don't forget the real coffee mugs.. I picked up about 4 for something
like a dollar each at Big W a few months ago.

>and student diaries (with phone numbers in the back for advice on
>contraception, drugs, AIDS, rape, et al).

>A friend who attended the Melbourne trade show last week reported to
>me in private email on the uncountably infinite amount of `Bart
>Simpson' (I use the term loosely) stuff vendors were trying to flog

If you mean the Royal Melbourne Show, there was a Simpsons Showbag with
load of useless and irrelevant merchandise. Probably everything they
can't get rid of. Still, at least it's not objectionable like the
Terminator stuff... all the bloody kids walking around with toy machine
guns.. euch. With luck they'll have banned the violent toys by next
year.


Daniel Bowen
(just finished eating his way through 12 Simpsons Cadbury chocolate bars
he found on special in Safeway)
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From: flaps@csri.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: springfield is in .....
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: alt
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:24:07 GMT


cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam) writes:
>However, to emphasize that Springfield is a "generic-could-be-anywhere" town,
>I'd point out that it *could* be here in Ontario because of the following:

Preposterous.  Every episode of The Simpsons contains very strong evidence that
they are in the U.S.A.  I challenge anyone to name an episode which does not.
Please send e-mail and I will summarize.  (I'm expecting a bunch of mail, but
I'm not expecting any correct answers!)

[Now we all know that there's no highway numbered 401 in the U.S.A., but
there's no state with a motto "Not just another state" either.  In fiction it's
possible for Springfield to be in the U.S.A. without being in any identifiable
sub-place within the U.S.A.]

ajr

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"Where else but in America..." -- Trong Van Din [8f01]
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From: bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu (bruce watson)
Subject: Kamp Krusty DYN
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 19:01:43 GMT

Was that a software reference as Bart said; "Some of my books are in
the original wrappers".

Chief Starving Bear Weight Loss Center -- Is this Biosphere II ?

No one mentioned "Always think two move ahead". Too simple? Certainly not
too gross for this group.

What were the three couselors names? (One was Jimbo) Was there significance?

"Our nature hikes have become grim death marches" A reference to all those
WWII movies, especially _Back to Bataan_?

"To the hydrofoil" -- James Bond reference.

Bruce "sweet nourishing gruel" Watson

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: pi@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond L. Gilbert)
Subject: [8F18] A Streetcar Named Marge
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:15:23 GMT

In article <BvGywC.KLC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>those viewers who were familiar
>with the play (or film) probably got a lot more out of this episode than
>those of us who aren't.  As it is, I probably missed out on a lot of
>in-jokes and references.

   Yup.  I second that one.  I've never seen the original play or film
either.  I liked the episode as a whole, but I would say it was one of
the poorer Simpsons episodes I've seen.  There weren't any bad parts of
the show; its just that there weren't many moments that had me rolling
on the floor as usual.  One major exception was the part where Maggie
successfully retrived all the kids sukers.  That's one bright girl! A
possible reference to all those "Mission Impossible" type shows...
Also, when Marge is on the phone to Homer before she found out she got the
part, how come *he* is telling *her* what to get at the store?

Blackboard:
My name is not Dr. Death
My name is not Dr. De   at cutoff

Couch:
They all sit down, after which the couch turns into a monster and eats
them up.

Other things I liked:
    The Nintendo Game-Boy bowling game
    The Miss America Girl Pageant
       Miss Montana--"a beaut from Butte"
       Niss South Carolina--"nothing could be finer"
       Miss Delaware--"gee... uh... good for her!"
    Bart and Lisa playing "footsie" on the couch
    the caligraphy class--"Mr Takahashi is a lunatic"
    peanut butter brownies--"Would anyone else like a bite of banality?"
    the way Maggie "summoned" the other kids on her mission
    Homer's butt crack showing when he reaches down for change
    Homer--"Oh no! My pudding is trapped forever!"
    Maggie's eyes on Marge when she has her "descent into madness"
    AYN RAND     is an anagram for    ANY DARN
     SCHOOL      ================>     SCHOOL
    FOR TOTS                          FOR TOTS

I kept this a little bit shorter after the complaints I received about
my quick and slightly inaccurate comments from last week.... I in no way
guarantee the accuracy of any information.

BTW, did anyone catch David Silverman, Executive Producer of the
Simpsons when he came here to Bloomington to talk to us at IU tonight?  I
missed it unfortunataly--does anyone know what neat stuff he had to
say?
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| pi@indiana.edu           |  area is entirely wrong..."                     |
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From: dsimon@jupiter.noname (Don Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Yet another possible reference in ASNM
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:51:10 GMT
Reply-To: dsimon@jupiter.noname
Organization: Informix Software

In article 184137@IASTATE.EDU, macster@IASTATE.EDU (Michael C Mccarty) writes:
>In article <BvMBAG.6x0@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, jroberts@shade.UWaterloo.ca (J.
>P. Robertson) writes:
>>  
>> P.S.  Some one posted that Bart said, "pain in my Gulliver".  Wasn't that
>> supposed to be "Pardon me, Gov'ner"?
>> 
>
>No, "pain in my (or possibly, me) Gulliver" is correct.  It is a reference to 'A
>Clockwork Orange,' meaning a stomach ache.  If you've ever seen this movie or
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
I believe the Gulliver is the head...in Clockwork Orange, 'pain in the gulliver'
seemed to me to be referring to the head...especially at the end when the 
'humble nar'ator' is in the hospital and he says that the doctors messed around 
with his gulliver.  Given that he was being deprogrammed, I would think that
they would mess around with his head, not his stomach.

>read the book, you'll know that Bart chose an interesting character to imitate
>:-)
>
>					Mike


don
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: 8F24 Kamp Krusty
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:39:23 GMT

eckert@geordi.tamu.edu (Stephen Eckert) writes:

>Anybody notice that the guys dunking Milhouse in the
>toilet were the camp counselors?

These three hoodlums (whose names I forget) have been on the show in one
capacity or another ever since the first season.  They've been the generic
thugs of Springfield for a long time.  For example, they egged the Simpson
house back to the Stone Age in "Treehouse of Horror II."


                                               --Steve Stelter
                                                 sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu