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From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy of Maggie's claims?
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:35:06 GMT

In article <forb0004.194.726780248@student.tc.umn.edu> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:

   Not agreeing with glorifications of lesbianism does NOT make one a sexist; 
   you can't coerce people into agreeing with you in this way. Further, the 
   lesbianism as portrayed on the "founding" episode did not confine itself to 
   praising leasbian women; that wouldn't have bothered me. The founding 
   episode had a nice little pseudo-Freudian lecture wherein it is shown that 
   all men are emotional cripples because bonding occurs between the child and 
   mother, and only women sustain this connection. Men becom estranged from 
   their source of love, their femininity, and the only object of a woman's 
   love can be another woman. Of course, the existence of _fathers_ was 
   completely ignored, as well as the possibility of a bond between the 
   father and his kids, and his raising his sons well. It was a _blatant_ 
   denigration of men- watch the episode. Sorry, I'm not going to sit back 
   and accept the crap without comment. 

Well I didn't view this as a denigration of men, rather I thought it
was poking fun at the Freudian theory of sexual development.  Cicely's
pseudo-psychoanalytic lecture throws an interesting twist on what I've
always found problematic in Freud: men simply have to transfer their
love for their mother to another woman, while a woman has to transfer
her love for her mother to a man.

	Penny
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Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 12:07:13 PST
From: <CONTAOI@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
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Subject: Re: 1/11 Episode "Revelations"
 <MAS.93Jan12110801@porgy.jpl.nasa.gov>


I knew right away that Simon was a woman, in fact I thought maybe it was
Maggie-who was mysteriously absent from this episode.  I didn't believe
that Chris had homosexual feelings, but just incredible male intuition.

I find it interesting that in this episode in which Chris says something
about "men not being able to survive without women" that Maggie is
no where to be seen.


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From: wegeng@xerox.com (Don Wegeng)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: January 4th Episode
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:33:32 GMT
Reply-To: wegeng@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corp., Henrietta, NY

In article 726257807@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU, rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>Maurice introduced the two anthropologists to Maggie and managed to get 
>their credentials wrong; he then dropped his voice to a conspiratorial 
>whisper and said something along these lines:  "those  faeries have the 
>perfect build for this type of work: lots of muscles on top and lots of 
>creativity..." (I didn't catch it too well because his voice dropped).
>Maggie just looked vague and changed the subject.
>
[...]
>
>In past seasons there were a pair of gay hotel keepers in the neighborhood 
>who were running a very  profitable business offering tours to the Japanese.
>Initially, Maurice had made bigoted comments but softened when they invited 
>him to be a guest speaker.  

The two "anthropologists" were the hotel keepers.

/Don
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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:17:23 GMT
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dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:
> >> > I disagree.  I think that Maggie really hates all men and needs to find
> >> > new ways and excuses to do so.  It wasn't really about feminism, it was
> >> > just another cloak she tried on for a while.  I really like Maggie's
> >> > character, but I would run the other way if I ever met someone like her.
> >> How can you say that Maggie doesn't like men after all of the icky stuff 
> >> she's done with Mike this season?  What about the episode last year with 
> >> the bear/man?  What about all of her ex-boyfriends?
> >I'm not positive about this, but I think that she just used her ex-boyfriends
> >for self gratification and always resented them.  Look at the conversations
> >she had with them in this season's opener.  She had major difficulties with
> >each one, emotionally.  It's also possible that her ex-boyfriends drove her
> >to her current state of man-hating.
> 
> Now suppose, as some other folk do, that the show is seen all through the eyes
> of Joel.  That would mean that he sees Maggie as using men for self-
> gratification, and that she really despises them.  Maybe he sees her as a
> rabid feminist.  That would be consistent w/ my impression of Joel, to date.

I'm not sure about that.  The fact that Joel is shown as being victimized
(by multiple parties) would tend to support that theory, but from what I've
seen of his character, I'd think he'd see himself without the usual
arrogance, not to mention the neuroses, we normally see on the show.
Consider that episode where Holling, Maurice, and Shelly all recollect
the first time Holling met Shelly.  Each turned the others into villains
and made themselves look good.

It's an interesting theory, but I don't think so.  Besides, Mike is seen
in too positive a light for it to be Joel's perception.

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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
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Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:11:35 GMT
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m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran) writes:

[re:Maggie]
> She's usually much more normal than last night.  And why didn't she say 
> anything after Ruth-Ann went on about giving birth, cooking and sewing.  
> That was a great chance for her to talk about how being a women does not 
> necessarily include those things.  Instead, she stared down Joel for no 
> reason whatsoever, other than that he is a man.

I disagree.  I think that Maggie really hates all men and needs to find
new ways and excuses to do so.  It wasn't really about feminism, it was
just another cloak she tried on for a while.  I really like Maggie's
character, but I would run the other way if I ever met someone like her.

-- 
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From: m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:48:28 GMT

<CLINDSAY@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:

(stuff deleted)  I really could have lived without the Bubble
> Man scenes (die die die!), except for the bit about them extracting tomato
> seeds, which looked like a project I'd do with my 3 year old!  I guess Ed
> decided that ferns weren't his thing (what is it about Alaskan natives and
> tomatoes, anyway?  :-)  ).
> 

I can totally relate to the Alaskan thing about Tomatoes.  In Ontario 
during the summer we get amazing tomatoes with taste and texture for not 
much money.  In the winter we have two choices.  Tomatoes from California 
that are picked weeks earlier and have the taste and texture of cotton 
fabric.  We can also pay a fortune and get hot-house tomatoes (which have 
some taste).  The final option is the Israely tomatoes which start 
arriving now and are about $7/lb.  They actually taste like tomatoes.  
This is one of the few vegetables which are difficult to get in the 
winter (and I live in Southern Ontario which is fairly south compared 
with the rest of the country).

Because of the difficulty getting the things, they become more important. 
I bet it's even more difficult in Alaska to get this stuff (even though 
they probably get some of it from Vancouver and it takes less time to get 
to them from California).

Just my $0.02 worth.

Ciao!

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Last nite show
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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>Isn't it the case that Falsey and Brand left the creative direction 
>of the show after the first season, to pursue other projects? 

Sorry; guess that should have been "second season;" at any rate, 
they haven't been involved *this* season. 

(How long *is* a "season" these days, anyway?) 

--Barbara
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 19:39:28 MST
From: <ICJPS@ASUACAD.BITNET>
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Subject:    Ruth-Anne

My nomination for the best line of all time on NEXP:

"Thank God I won't have to listen to that DAMN plywood story again!"

Simple, but priceless.
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From: jsattle@andy.bgsu.edu (jason sattler)
Subject: 800 number catalog
Summary: flame
Keywords: flame
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:43:40 GMT

i don't have a record of who it was that replied to the NEXP sweatshirt
offer-phone # post and claimed that you had to give your credit card number
just to get a catalog.  i managed to get one just now (1/5/93) and although
the operator wanted to know my visa.  all you have to say is no.  i know
that cbs will use the data on me for something, but hey, i like NEXP, and
i don't care who knows.  so to who ever you were, don't try to scare people
away from getting the catalog, especially with false information.

	jason sattler

	jsattle@dad.bgsu.edu
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From: rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli)
Subject: Re: 800 number catalog
Keywords: flame
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:47:24 GMT


When I called the 800 number and requested a catalog _I was not_ asked
for a credit card number.  When they asked me what I wanted to order I
simply stated I would like to have a catalog sent to me.  She took my
address and said it would arrive in about 4 to 6 weeks (or something
like that).  

And is it so bad for the network to want some demographical information
on their viewers?

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From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:02:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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Summary: sorry, not much NEXP content here--just a flame

In article <1993Jan6.194320.12356@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy) writes:
>
>She has been denying her sexuality (and its
>power to kill?).  This would explain a lot about the way she dresses
>and cuts her hair; from across the street you wouldn't be able to tell
>whether Maggie is a man or a woman.  
>
WHAT???  Let's see--if a woman has short hair and doesn't wear
frilly dresses means that she's denying her sexuality?  Get a grip!


-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: January 4th Episode
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:51:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan5.162634.21353@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> alekz@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Alekz Vermont) writes:

>In article <rizzoe.616.726244287@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>>I was truly disappointed in the January 4th episode of NX.  None of the 
>>threads seemed to work quite right and there were many small points which 
>>simply bothered me.
>	
>i was disappointed as well, but was relieved at the lack of maggie/mike
>interaction.  (plus, as far as mike goes, i think the role he was playing
>fit his character...not that i like his character :-)  o'connell seemed a
>bit more of her spirited self, although "over-spirited" in some areas
>(exaggerated to parody levels)  and not spirited enough in others... i did
>get a few laughs in...>

>>Finally, I was troubled by the fact that Maurice made an anti-gay comment
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>to Maggie and went unchallenged.  In previous episodes, I'm thinking of 
>>Chris's trial in particular, he has always been called to account for 
>>such bigotry.  Two cheers to Northern Exposure for showing gay characters
>>in non-stereotyped professions but they should have gone all the way and
>>had Maggie challenge Maurice's bigotry rather than let in slide.

>i missed this comment, and i usually pick up on things like that... could
>someone please re-hash for me?

>i must be missing something here, because i've not noticed any characters
>being gay (with the exception of the "founders" of Cicely (Cicely &
>Roselyn).  i liked the way NEXP dealt with them.... {here i was, thinking
>that i was quick to pick up references to homosexuality, etc...}
>-alekz


There were the spa owners (spa? Lodge? whatever you call it) who had catered
to all the Japanese to view the Northern Lights.. They were in several episodes
(at least two.. with cameos in a couple more..)
-- 
;^) -Karin
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Subject: Re: Historical accuracy of Maggie's claims?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:48:31 EST
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pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase) writes:
>
> Cicely's pseudo-psychoanalytic lecture throws an interesting twist 
> on what I've always found problematic in Freud: men simply have to 
> transfer their love for their mother to another woman, while a 
> woman has to transfer her love for her mother to a man.

..which is a big part of why it's important for girls to have a good
relationships with their fathers: so they don't -have- to make such
extreme transferrals. believe me, women who haven't had a strong
father figure when they're young can be -dangerous-. (not to mention
vulnerable to abuse themselves, since they don't have any experience
about how men are -supposed- to treat women.)

jason

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From: reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT)
Subject: Quote for the Day, episode 1/4
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products Division - Lincroft, NJ USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:07:58 GMT

Add this one to all the other feather brained quotes belonging to Shelly
"Hawling owns the key to my pants, and my heart too"
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From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Let's move on from Male/Female theme in Show..
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:43:10 GMT

In article <1iv4c4INN933@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> angelelj@ucs.orst.edu (Joseph Angelelli) writes:
>From: angelelj@ucs.orst.edu (Joseph Angelelli)
>Subject: Continuity from last week's episode
>Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:58:12 GMT
>		The Chris storyline seemed to be a way of bridging the
>	gap that was created by Maggie vs. men last week.  His final
>	comments provided continuity from the reburial scene by cutting
>	beneath the group behavior of men toward women, showing that 
>	underneath it all men think of women as the most important  
>	element of life itself.  It was a much more pleasant assessment
>	of men/women relationships than last week's.  Do you think the
>	writers might have used last week as a set up episode to show
>	the extremes, thus making this week's episode seem all the more
>	profound?   Just my .02 cents.
>
>
>						Joe
>						angelelj@ucs.orst.edu 



Take me out and stone me (flame me?), but I am sick of watching man vs.
women discussions on NEXP. I enjoyed the show; I'm just ready for a new
topic. 

Wes

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From: dev@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Laura Walker - yuck  (was Re: Picket Fences - yuck!)
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:23:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

This has nothing to do with Northern Exposure, but...

John Wilks <daubber@leland.stanford.edu> once wrote: 
> I guess you could cheer for him [the Frogman on Picket Fences]
> because he got a raw deal, but you were supposed to feel either
> pity for this mentally messed up family or anger for him getting off.
  		                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Actually, I was really pleased that he got off on the technicality. I
was rather annoyed, though, when they toed the line with the wife
asking, paraphrased, why guilty people get off on such a little
technicality, and the sheriff giving the *incredibly* lame response
that he doesn't know. He could have given the answer, better to have
ten guilty people freed than one innocent convicted. Or, explain that
by making an exception for those obviously guilty, one opens the door
to exceptions for those not so obviously guilty, and so on. Explain
inviolate principles. The show never explained the fundamental right
showcased in the episode, and that disappointed me terribly. I know
why it's that way, but most viewers probably just feel "anger for him
getting off" and never know the reason why he did. But then again,
perhaps that was intended.

Larry
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From: faunt@netcom.Netcom.COM (Doug Faunt N6TQS 510-655-8604)
Subject: Re: New voice on car commercial?
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Organization: at home, in Oakland
	<1993Jan8.071438.2529@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1993Jan8.125326.8958@cas.org>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:07:33 GMT

While flipping through channels right after NEXP, we saw the tail end
of a  commercial with "Shelley", we think.  Don't know what it was,
though.
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From: jchung@hubcap.clemson.edu (Joe Chung)
Subject: Going to Extremes
Summary: what do you think of this show?
Keywords: Going to Extremes, same producers
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:42:23 GMT

Sorry for the non-"Northern Exposure" show but I just had to ask:

1) What do you think of this show, produced by the same folks that
produce "Northern Exposure"?

-and-

2) Who plays Kathleen on "Going to Extremes"?  She is gorgeous!  :^)

--
Joe Chung
(jchung@hubcap.clemson.edu)
Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
From: wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT)
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Subject: Re: Adam and Eve
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:53 CST
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Eve played Wayne's ex-girlfriend in Wayne's World? NOT!
Wayne's ex-girlfriend was played by the actress who was Donna in Twin Peaks.
I believe her name is Laura Flynn Boyle.

Kent Leverich
Texas A&M Univeristy
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maggie's trench
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:49:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Maurice ain't gonna work on Maggie's trench no more....

A TRENCHant parody, no?
-- 
Ted....
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Subject: Re: Episode Guide
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Date: 11 Jan 93 17:53:14 +1000
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In <001201c.42.726447794@axe.acadiau.ca> 001201c@axe.acadiau.ca writes:

> In article <1993Jan6.212816.23936@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli) writes:
> >From: rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli)
> >Subject: Episode Guide
> >Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:28:16 GMT
>
>
> >I know that the episode guide has been posted before...but I didn't get
> >a chance to get it so if someone could email me a copy it would be much
> >appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> >Rebecca
> >rrulli@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu
>
>  YES, me too please. I lost mine. I'm Nate, 001201c@acadiau.ca
>

me too please!!! I'm an avid NE fan from Australia, and would like to know
all I can about the show.

Please mail all responses to my internet address below, do NOT reply - it
won't find me - yet!!

ps: G'day!

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