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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:02:16 GMT
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Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <14552@umd5.umd.edu>, walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson) writes:

> 1: What qualifies as a top ten (profit, audience, awards, syndications, etc?)
As stated in the post...these are simply the top ten picks of the judges
listed.  The possibilities you suggest did not play any role.

> 2: Sf films fall under a lot of categories, too. Like how can you compare
>    ET vs. 2001, for instance? Two totally different angles to alien contact
>    for different audiences. Both were good, had a similar theme, but were
>    very different.
So, they can both make a top ten list.  One didn't, no big deal.

> 3: What data comprises a "Top ten?"
See #1.
  
> IMHO, top tens a bit too generic, and are best left to David Letterman 
Great.  Thanks for sharing that with us...
 
> Also, what *is* sf? Would Jaws be sf? It is about a giant monster like
> godzilla. I think my sf is different from other's sf. Has anyone really
> defined an sf theme in a movie?
There are many definitions...the one seemed to be used by the Premiere jury 
was "futuristic, or alien contact"...at least they are the common threads.
I don't think *anyone* could sucessfully argue that _Jaws_ was Science Fiction.

Greg Bole                               "When you wake up, wipe the slugs off
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             your face.  Be ready for a new day!"
                                        Keanu Reeves in _My Own Private Idaho_
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From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Brin: Writers should be read and not heard
Organization: Video 7 + G2 = Headland Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:50:50 GMT

In article <MeP8I4q00VpNA1YldQ@andrew.cmu.edu> Louis Blair <lb2e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>If somebody loses his cool after extended exposure
>to Brin's pomposity ...

I was unaware that two (2) messages constituted "extended exposure".
Just quit re-reading 'em.

-- 
Mike Van Pelt
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From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Where's Star Wars 4
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:09:59 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <9207211945.AA03575@rutgers.edu>, b3gms@TTACS1.TTU.EDU ("bottrell,
gerald") writes:
>the "Major Science Fiction Magazine" in question is the June 1992
>Cinefantasique.  The article is "Where's Star Wars 4?" by Nolan Wright
>Wright says that Lucas said he was tired of doing the series.  The article
>was very downbeat and it really sounded like Wright was taking it personally
>that Lucas "Wasn't interested any more."
>the big quote seems to be from the NY Times :"I ran out of energy to do
>it," Lucas said. "Once you have done it a couple of times, then the thrill 
>wears off and you really want to get into different territory."
>the new territor seems to be "Young Indiana Jones".
>
>MJ
 I agree totally that Wright has something against Lucas, problably taking so
long to make the next trilogy.  I love the magazine for its in-depth articles,
but that piticular one almost made me stop buying it.
 
 Well I guess  Lucas showed Wright, Star Wars (aka: Clone Wars) - Episode I
will be out May 1997.
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:05:15 GMT
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In article <1992Jul17.173405.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>, bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes...

} In the August issue of Premiere magazine, they put together a top jury to 
} decide what they thought were the ten best Science Fiction Movies ever.  
[...]
} In no particular order the films were:

} 1.  2001: A Space Odyssey
} 2.  Metropolis
} 3.  The Day the Earth Stood Still
} 4.  Invasion of the Body Snatchers
} 5.  Blade Runner
} 6.  Star Wars
} 7.  War of the Worlds
} 8.  Forbidden Planet
} 9.  A Clockwork Orange
} 10. Alien

} How many do *you* agree with? And what do you feel is missing?

It's almost exactly what I'd pick, though I'd probably drop WAR OF THE
WORLDS and ALIEN in favor of BRAZIL and NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR.

} And more importantly, why?

I think both are more artfully made, and have much more to say than the
two they'd replace.

In article <1992Jul20.164052.19868@nntp.uoregon.edu>, Eric_Gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric gorr) writes...

} E.T. is clearly missing from the list...

Which only underscores how intelligent and perceptive the judges for the
list are.

In article <3389@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes...

}} 1.  2001:  A Space Odyssey

} Bored me to death.

Didn't bore me. I've seen the film a few dozen times, and have never
ceased to be enthralled by it.

}} 9.  A Clockwork Orange

} Gag me with a phaser. I loathed this one.

And I think it's a contender for the best film ever made, period.

-- 

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	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

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From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Neuromancer & Jim Cameron (Rumor, looking for confimation)
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:45:14

Here's an unsubstanciated rumor I'd like to have confirmed/denied:
(well,... preferably confirmed...;-)

Someone told me that he had read on alt.cyberpunk, that Jim Cameron
had done some early shooting for a filmatization of "Neuromancer" with
Peter Gabriel as Case (isn't he a bit old for that part...?).

I tried checking on alt.cyberpunk, but any articles concerning
Neuromancer had expired.

- Steinar

BTW Notice that I managed to finish the article without expressing how
much I would like to see Linda Hamilton as Molly... ;-)
From: melody@grad02.math.ncsu.edu (Patrick Melody)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Aliens as xenoterraformers?
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:08:37 GMT
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.


There has been speculation that the aliens are bioengineered weapons.
It occured to me that they could be "terraforming" machines for the
elephant-like pilot's race seen in the first movie.  This could explain
the huge cargo hold of eggs.  Other races might not care about indigenous
life on other worlds, but instead just "erase" the ecosystem of any world
they wanted and replace it with their own.  The inside of the big alien
ship in the first movie was very similiar to the inside of the alien hive
in the second movie.  If you dropped a load of eggs into an ecosystem, the
resulting aliens could wipe it out if they encountered no intelligent resist-
ance.  They could they "hive over" and otherwise transform the planet into
the kind of world the elephant people wanted.  The aliens are well equipped 
to fight and defend themselves, and naturally destroy other life to perpetuate
their own species.  (Though I suppose any species does this as well)  Also, the
aliens seem to deal well with very harsh environments, something terraformers
would need to do.  Any other thoughts on this?

patrick melody@math.ncsu.edu
From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: mysterious marine SOLVED
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:24:13 GMT


I've figured it out, guys. It's so obvious.

He's the marine that BROUGHT THE EGGS UP TO THE SULACO!!


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From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: UNIVERSAL SOLDIER (spoiler included)
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:07:25 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

Spoiler for Universal Soldier and Patriot Games included below
            _________________     _____________










I wondered if I was in a Rocky movie near the end when the two Unisols
were beating the stuffing out of each other.

I was very disappointed to see the exact same end for the antagonist
that was used in Patriot Games and hundreds of movies before them.
That is, while two people are fighting they make a point of showing
spikes pointing straight up into the air and then SURPRISE the
antagonist falls on them.

Whatever happened to creativity and originality?

-- 
======== Boyd Johnson    nosc!spectra.com!johnson  San Diego, Ca. ========
From: kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Kobyashi Maru
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:54:50 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Jul27.205554.7892@u.washington.edu> mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:
>	There is only one source that I know of that introduces
>	the Kobayashi Maru scenario and that is the
>	Star Trek Starship Combat Simulator from FASA.  It is
>	my belief that this is a really good game system, especially
>	if you have the recognition guides, if you add some of
>	your own touches for advanced gaming realism.  The information
>	is quite true to the Star Trek universe and was licensed by
>	Parmount Pictures.  It is in my opinion a lot more playable
>	and a lot more fun than Star Fleet Battles.  
>
>	Unfortunately, about a couple of years ago, FASA lot their
>	license from Paramount to publish the game system or any
>	of the manuals, so the material is out of print and

I thought the Star Trek RPG was just not selling well enough and FASA
decided to concentrate on Battletech and their (then) new ShadowRun games.
Anyway FASA still advertises the Starship Combat Simulator and all of their
lead models in Starlog, I believe.  The ship recognition manuals are still
on sale (although I don't think they ever put out an Orion one).

Paramount was probably angry that FASA, as good RPG-makers will do, was
putting out a *too* complete history of the Star Trek universe.  They pro-
bably suggested that the gamemakers lay off of any more detailed supplements.
This coupled with sagging sales probably convinced the FASA head honchos to
put their efforts on their other games.

>        are rare items now that are dwindling out of game store
>	inventories.  You will probably have to do some looking 
>	around for this stuff.  I recommend getting the Deluxe Set
>	if you can, which contains the Simulator material, a hexboard
>	, starship pieces, and roleplying guides and supplements.
>	The recognition manuals for Klingon, Romulan, Orion, and
>	Federation Starships are packed full of different vessels
>	with very complete statistics and descriptions.  I recommend
>	them.

The recognition manuals are amongst the best stuff ever to come out from
"official" or fan sources.  Now if they'd ever borrowed any of these designs
for the TV show or the movies, I'd be ecstatic.

>
>	The Kobayashi Maru scenario, if I remember correctly has
>	the Enterprise Class Mk I Cruiser pitted in a "no-win"
>	situation against 12 , count-em, 12 Klingon D-7M Cruisers
>	attacking in triplet V-formation groups.  This scenario
>	is not for any ordinary captain and you will be very lucky 
>	if the Gamemaster will let you reprogram the computers!
>
>
>					- Good luck
>
>					Rob
> 


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From: swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Who is the Bad Guy in E.T.?
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:34:08 GMT
Reply-To: swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
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In article <3637@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor) writes:
|
|	Scientists are all a bunch of psychotics who will gladly dissect
|any alien that lands here without so much as a how-de-do.

I cannot be silent, this is a false characterization of the movie.
The *kids* *believe* the scientists are like this, but when they *actually*
get involved they try with all of thier ability to *save* E.T., and make
*no* attempt to dissect him.

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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Alien 3
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:49:51 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Jul22.203323.29947@u.washington.edu>, by mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey):
> 	and size of the alien remains constant.  Who knows, an alien
> 	mating with a bunny

This way we should get the perfect weapon against the attack of the
killer carrots.
-- 
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From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Kobyashi Maru
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:06:47 GMT
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>>>>> On 27 Jul 92 20:55:54 GMT, mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert
>>>>> Casey) said:

>A question: I saw Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn on a major network the
>oth day.  I just caught the beginning, when the Vulcan captain is taking
>the Kobyashi Maru test.  I was wondering: This is a neat test and are
>there any Computer Games, Role Playing games, Board Games etc that
>simulate the Maru test?

While not gaming material, one of the few Star Trek books I've read is
_Kobayashi Maru_, almost all flashbacks of the Enterprise senior
crewmembers' Kobayashi Maru tests. It's an interesting story, as each of
them had a different solution to the no-win scenario; Kirk reprogrammed the
simulator; Checkov rammed a Klingon cruiser, destroying his ship and the
Klingon fleet; Sulu refused to enter the Neutral Zone at all; and Scotty,
well, the simulator's computer would figure (mathematically) that the
Klingon shilelds would work one way even though they don't, he took
advantage of that little flaw, having himself disproved that particular
theory (he cheated! :-).

If you ever decide to run such a scenario, the watchword is that the test
isn't one of combat ability or strategy or tactical ability; it's a test of
character, to see what a potential Starfleet captain is like.

--Rat

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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: Overdrawn at the memory bank (Was: Re: NEUROMANCER movie)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:41:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.211909.7724@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes...

} It was made for TV, by a Canadian company called "Persistence Of Vision",
} which, being the name of John Varley's (the author of the short story on
} which "Overdrawn..." was somewhat loosely based) Nebula-winning story,
} is most probably a nom-de-guerre.

Not so. Persistance of Vision was also the name of the production company
that produced the network version of the revived TWILIGHT ZONE.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: M Maxwell
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Date: 23 Jul 1992 16:04:56 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <8ePeyQu00iUxQ1R8k=@andrew.cmu.edu> Bill Thomas
<bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 (stuff deleted)

It [Invasion of the Body Snatchers] does it very well, which makes it
>a fine movie. But as science fiction it has very little going for it.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOT A FLAME:  And, as science fiction, "Road Warrior" does?   8)
I _loved_ Road Warrior when it came out (and still do) but i do not
really consider it a 'good science fiction' movie.  It is an awesome
movie, but not in terms of its science fiction.
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

Hey you kids!  Don't touch that, it's ART!
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: sourcebook of SF movies/TV shows
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:23:27 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

UCPL040@UNLVM.UNL.EDU writes...

>    -Does a book exsist which lists SF movies and TV shows (no matter
>      how short -- or bad!) ever produced by any studio (no matter how
>      small or low budget?

   Don't know about that. My "Encyclopedia of Science Fiction" lists
every SF film ever made from 1896 to 1983. No matter how good or crap
the film. No matter how short (e.g. 1 minute!), or how long. No matter
which country of origin!! Add to this that as well as naming all these
films, the book also includes at least a dozen lines of plot synopsis
(although the average is about 30 lines), full production crew and cast
details (where available, which is 99.9% of the time) and running times,
alternative cuts etc for EVERY ENTRY! It lists them year by year and
every page has a wealth of (b/w) stills from the films on that page too.
   The print is quite small, but it is still a bloody huge book. I don't
know what you call the format, but it'd about 16 inches X 12 inches X
1.5 inches thick and is hardbacked. Lovely it is! But no television show
information at all unfortunately.

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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:53:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1992Jul21.140754.13098@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.173405.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>, bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes...
>} In the August issue of Premiere magazine, they put together a top jury to 
>} decide what they thought were the ten best Science Fiction Movies ever.  
>} In no particular order the films were:

	[...]

	Y'know, the other thing about that list that bothered me...

	There is some Space Opera out there that's better than even
Star Wars, but no one ever mentions it... because over here only a 
very few people have seen it.

	ANIME. Like most things, a lot of it is garbage, but there are some
REALLY good pieces which should be contenders in "best" lists for SF or
Fantasy.

	SF:  Crusher Joe; one helluva space opera and their ships even try to
obey the laws of physics (watching space combat with the wierd twists and
turns that attitude jets create is dizzying)... I rate this even over 
Star Wars as space opera.

	     GUNDAM -- The Zeta Gundam sequence and  Char's Counterattack.
If you like to add psionics to your space opera, this is perhaps as good as
it could ever get.

	Fantasy:  ARION.  A mythological adventure set in the universe of
ancient Grecian legends.

>In article <3389@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes...
>}} 1.  2001:  A Space Odyssey
>} Bored me to death.
>Didn't bore me. I've seen the film a few dozen times, and have never
>ceased to be enthralled by it.

	This is one of those constantly recurring SF arguments that will
never be resolved. 2001 is one of those movies which divides people into
two violently opposed camps, with VERY few neutrals in the middle. You
either loved it or you hated it. My interest in the movie vanished after
the bone toss, and only reawakened when HAL lost it. In between I had
to fight off sleep with large caliber weapons.

>}} 9.  A Clockwork Orange
>} Gag me with a phaser. I loathed this one.
>And I think it's a contender for the best film ever made, period.

	*HACK!*

	I'll apply the same comment as above, with the addition that I tried
reading the book too, and loathed it just as much.


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:44:04 GMT
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In article <1992Jul24.152728.14890@engage.pko.dec.com>  
boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
> Keep in mind that there are two ways to parse "best science fiction  
movie":
> 
> 	1  (best science fiction) movie
>         2  best (science fiction) movie
> 
> The first way makes comparisons among movies based on their science
> fiction value. Therefore, a film in which the science fictional
> element is more in the background has less weight than one in which
> the sf element dominates the picture. 2001 is therefore a "better
> science fiction movie" than A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
> 
> The second way just assumes that all movies that fall into the genre
> have equal science fictional value, and therefore the comparison is
> made based on how good a *movie* it is. A CLOCKWORK ORANGE is therefore
> (in my opinion) a "better science fiction movie" than 2001.
> 
> I prefer the second parsing method.

Most of the time I agree with you, except for those films whose SF
element is so small that I have a hard time calling the movie
real SF.

The other exception I sometimes make is at Hugo voting time.  I must
admit that I voted for Dragonslayer over Radiers of the Lost Ark, even
though I thought the latter was a somewhat better movie. My reason
was that Dragonslayer was completely fantasy, while Raiders was
mostly an adventure film with a fantasy ending.

> I disagree. The movie on videotape (or on broadcast TV) is only a rough
> (very rough) approximation of what FORBIDDEN PLANET should be.
> 
> What one *should* do is find someone with a laserdisc player and rent a
> copy of the letterboxed disc.

Perhaps, but it's still a good movie on video tape.  I wish 
theatres would revive it from time to time, though, since it
is a lot nicer on the big screen.

--
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