From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: THE NEW BULLY OF THE BALKANS [ Part 3 from 4 ]
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:58:11 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug28.001713.12025@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:

> 	I have only one question which is constantly ignored. What the hell
> is the Star of the ancient Makedon kings doing on their flag !!!!

I have a simple question. Lots of flags have stars. What's so special
about this star ?


> I mean the Albaniens disagree with it and the Shopjiens desided to
> place a lion on the flag (Or is it a two headed eagle) but also include
> the star !!!! 

If I recall correctly, the two headed eagle was used by many
peoples including Germans, Seljuks, Poles; and goes back to
the Illyrians (Albanians' ancestors). What's the big deal ?
The Arabs don't have a patent on the crescent; Switzerland
doesn't have a patent on the cross; and I doubt that one out of
a thousand (if not one out of million) people have any idea
of what the Makedonian Star is about.


> 	One Albaniens will take their part from their republic as well as
> from kosovo (is it called that) from pre Yougoslavia. They will not be
> able to support themselvs and either join A new Yougoslavia or become an
> economicly supported puppet by either Bulgaria or Turkey. Case on

How can Macedonia become a puppet of any kind of Turkey ? If they
are Macedonians, they will want to stay independent. If they
are not Macedonians (as some people claim) then maybe they'll
decide they're Bulgarians after all ?


> they will fade into non existance as Bulgaria will slowly mix
> the cultures and make a uniform people out of the two countries. 

Well, are they Bulgarians or Macedonians ?


> Turkey on the other hand will use them to creat tention in the region
> but as a result will isolate them from all neighbours. 

As if the Balkans needed anyone stoking the fires to create tension ?

>This will
> not live for long enough though. Their best card is with Greece.

There you go. Why doesn't Greece negotiate with Macedonia ?
They get to keep the name Macedonia-Matsedonya-Makedonja or some
variation of it, in return for friendly-economic relations with
Greece.

> They have the EC, NATO. They are the more Economicly powerful country
> in the regeon. They can (And have already) ensured their boarders.
> To Greece they can offer something. They are their road to Europe
> to other countries they have nothing to offer. They are still
> holding out though. 


I thought Europe was to the north of Macedonia/Skopje :-)..


> 	Oh well let's see were the logic of the Star of the ancient Makedon
> kings will get them.
> 	George

Probably nothing but ridicule if there's absolutely no truth
in any of their claims. Why not let the world shame them into
becoming Bulgarians or whatever it is that you contend they
are, instead of fighting over a patented-name (tm).

If this continues, people will be forbidden to name their children
Alexander, Zeus, etc. They say that imitation is the sincerest
form of flattery. If Egyptians, Turks, Nigerians, Chinese
start naming their sons Alexander, it should be considered
an honor. If there's absolutely no truth to any of the
Macedonian claims, then they will be the laughing stock of
the world, since their name or their existence isn't going to
change history, unless they strike a huge oil field and buy
out all the historians of the world for a few centuries.
-- 

	mark	


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