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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:43:28 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Dec27.221859.18112@uumeme.chi.il.us>, rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
> In article <1992Dec26.210829.1154@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
>>He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge. 
> 
> Thats because, he was field promoted to first officer.  They didnt
> come right out and say it, but he was wearing the red uniform, and
> he also had the increased rank on his collar.

Take a closer look and you can see he was still at Lieutenant Commander only.


Steven.K.Manfred


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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Oh, SHUT UP, Troi II(or Jellico should shoot Deanna)
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:53:16 GMT

From article <1h54guINNbc5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary):
> 
> I was wrong.  Anything the script would give Sirtis to say
> that sounded intelligent would be out of character for Troi.

	No kidding...how the hell she gets an "honary" Lt. Commander
Rank is beyond me...

	For instance, remember that episode where the Enterprise was hit
by a monomolecular filament (or whatever it was that caused Starfleet's
flag ship crumble like the enginerring job it is).  The one where
Picard is stuck in the turbolift with the kids, Keiko(sp) is having
her kid delivered by Worf, and Riker/Headless Data go to check out
engineering.

	Anyway, Troi was in charge on the bridge.  Ro and O'Brien
had to explain things to this child!  Christ!  The best line was when
O'Brien warned her that the anti-matter containtment fields were
falling.  Troi asks "Then what?" and Ro looks at her like the total
big-assed, bimbo-breasted, pimp passover she is and says in a disbelieving
tone, "We blow up!"

 TTYL
 Chris
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II"
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:48:43 -0600
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
  PM> SPOILERS ahead for "Chain of Command Part II"
 
>  PM> SPOILERS!  -Do not cross the Cardassian border
 
> 
> I think you missed the point about the lights thing.  It's called
> reverse psychology.  I once saw a touching CBC documentary about schools
> around Canada which literally stole Indian children in order to teach
> them the "civilized" way of life.  The first thing they did was change
> their names.  No, you're not some foreign name like Dances With Wolves,
> you're now Bob Jones.
> They stripped their identity and punished them if they spoke in their
> native tounges.  The first thing (well, close to it) Gul Madred did was
> denounce Picard to Human.
> And then the lights thing -- that was all another brainwashing tactic.
> It's used all the time and is an important element of reverse
> psychology.  "How many lights do you see?  Four?  NO FIVE!  FIVE
> LIGHTS!"  And don't you get the irony?  At the end, Gul Madred gave
> Picard a choice of either freedom of torture.  All he had to do was
> answer that there were five lights.
> And in the end, he was so driven and convinced that there INDEED were
> FIVE LIGHTS that he was going to SAY that there were FIVE LIGHTS.  Gul
> Madred got to him so hard that he was going to crack.  And Gul Madred
> knew that it was too late -- if only he could have got to him sooner.
> However, Picard got to GUL MADRED first.
> It was a beautiful episode and I can't see why you didn't like it.

No, you missed my point, or perhaps I didn't make it as clear as I should
have.  I did get the idea behind the four/five/ (three sir!) lights, and
I got it the very first time it was used.  That was my problem, that it
was too obvious.  Too easy.  It also has no science *fiction* in it at all,
since that is something that is known and understood rather well today.  
> 
>  PM> I think that pretty much covers it.  As an episode of TNG, or any
>  PM> science fiction series come to that, this sucked wind, because it had
>  PM> no story of its own to tell and no science fiction in what it did do.
> TNG does not have to be science fiction.  I think CoC Pt. II stood very
> well as a drama based in the 24th century.

This is just a pure difference of opinion between the two of us, then.
I want science fiction in "Star Trek:TNG," or at least an attempt at it,
and you don't.  Neither of us is right or wrong.  We just differ.
> 
>  PM> Overall Grade for Part Two (scale of one to ten): 3
> 
> I'd really like to see how the individual subjects were graded for you
> to give an overall ratings of 3...

I didn't do an accountant's tax audit on the episode.  The 3 is just based
on my general feel of the whole episode, and two of those points are 
completely based on Stewart's acting.  

Steven.K.Manfred

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From: jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long)
Subject: Re: No Emmy for Stewart
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.230549.10540@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com
 (David Pipgras) writes:
>Hmmm...After watching Chain of Command again, I have to say that I just
>don't seen any award in it for him. His performance in the episode where he
>was taken over by the probe was *much* stronger than in COC, but many seem
>to think that this is the end all. I am sorry, but I just don't see it
>happening---I will be happy to eat them words if it does, but that is my
>opinion...
>
>By the way, just how much is going to happen to Picard before he finally
>cracks and becomes a raving loony ???  With all the stuff he has gone
>through, I am amazed he is still in command of his facalities (sp?) much
>less the Enterprise....
>
>Dave

With all the rotten shit happening to Picard, he'll probably end up back on 
Earth playing Capt. Nemo with that undersea team from France. . . of course 
he'd probably get abused by a squid or something.

JL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: chetc@resumix.portal.com (Chester L. Cuaresma)
Subject: DS9 > TNG (IMHO)
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 08:29:53 GMT


Well, having seen Deep Space Nine, I've got a few things to say:

As everyone is probably going to tell you, it sure was better than
Encounter at Farpoint.

I believe that TOS fans will be pleased, and will most likely enjoy
DS9.  The TOS ingredients are there, and a quirkyness a la Northern
Exposure can be seen in some of the characters.  And the most important
ingredient is there:  CONFLICT!  

I've been growing disinterested in TNG for the past couple of years,
with this HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY attitude that is rampant on the show.
DS9 is definitely a step in the right direction for me, and I for
one am going to stay with it...

Having seen some of the storylines that are coming up, though, makes
me worried.  Let me just say that I hope that DS9 will try to 
establish itself as a series, and forget any damn crossovers with
TNG.

Only one other show could top this:  BABYLON 5!!!

					Chet C.



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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan)
Subject: Setting Followups (was `Cheers woman)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:38:00 GMT

>In <1993Jan1.190601.8816@fuug.fi> an92@anon.penet.fi writes:

>>My friend and I were watching STIII:TVH the other night and noticed that 
>>the woman who played Savick looked very similar to that woman from 
>>Cheers, was it just us or is this the same woman?  Or arewe we spending 
>>too much time in front of the ol' boob tube?  :-)  ;)

In article <abick.725917735@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>First off, there is no such thing as STIII:TVH! You either mean STIII:TSFS
>(The Search for Spock) or STIV:TVH (The Voyage Home). Which one is it?
>As for Savick being the same person as (I assume you mean Rebecca) the
>woman from Cheers, you still have the movie wrong! That would be STII: The
>Wrath of Khan. (Incidentally, I forget her ST name, but it wasn't Savick.)
>If you do mean Savick (from either STIII or STIV) then I'm not sure which
>Cheers actress you mean, because she doesn't look familiar to me. (Maybe
>she guest starred on Cheers?)

Alan Bick is correct; Kirstie Alley played Lieutenant Saavik in Star
Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Also, remember, that this newsgroup is *only* for discussion of those
ST movies, books, or TV episodes which have appeared during the last
four months or so.  STII:TWoK appeared in over 10 years ago, and
"Cheers" has nothing to do with Star Trek.  Also remember, to keep
r.a.s.current and the other r.a.s.* newsgroups as organized as
possible, we have a *responsibility* to set followups to the correct
newsgroup, not to blindly post a followup (note:  "setting followups"
does *not* mean stating "Followups set to rec.arts.startrek.fandom";
it means that one has used an editor to do this in the article
header:

Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
(or whatever the appropriate newsgroup is).

This is a New Year.  Why don't we all resolve to (re)read the charters
of the newsgroups we frequent, make sure we all know how to edit, and
do our best to lower the noise level in all of Usenet?

"Think about it, won't you?  Thank you."


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: data watch
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:52:14 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec28.3208.18336@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>
> -=> Dunae babbled to All and look what he said! <=-
>
> Du> In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
> Du> He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge.   How come Dr.
> Du> Crusher, Data, Geordi, or Dianna never sit in the command chair?
> Du> They're all the same rank as Riker.   And they also take orders
> Du> from him, maybe it's because of his uniform colour, or maybe
> Du> because he's Picard's right hand man?
>
>Dr. Crusher is the only other Commander on the ship.  Data and Geordi
>are both Lt. Commanders and Deanna is only a Lt.  However, Dr. Crusher's
>rank is only high in a medical point of view.  When both Picard and
>Riker are gone, Data is next in line (he's third in command).  The
>change in colour denotes a change in responsibilities.  I believe Amber
>was like tech and engineering whereas Red is commanding or official.
>Something like that.

Data changed uniform colors when he left his position as head of one
department for the position of First Officer, where he is over all
departments.
Troi is a Lt. Commander, and outranks everyone aboard except for Picard,
Riker, Crusher, and Data. She has more time in grade than LaForge, although
as Chief Engineer he holds more clout than she does; her rank was established
as Lt.Cdr. in "Encounter at Farpoint" while Geordie wasn't promoted until
the beginning of the second season (or was it the third?).
As it stands, Troi and Crusher are outside the normal chain of command,
but their ranks are real, and their orders carry the same weight as if
they were issued by line officers (witness Troi's orders in "Disaster").
Data is the ship's Second Officer, which puts him third in the chain
of command, behind Picard and Riker.

				James

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:43:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec29.150250.8316@midway.uchicago.edu> lidz@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>If you look CAREFULLY at the Wolf-359 wrekage there is ONE galaxy-class hull.

And to further canonnize it, watch closely in the teaser of the Deep Space
Nine premier.  One of the ships attacking the Borg (with Locutus in command)
is a Galaxy class starship.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:40:24 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec27.190713.522@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>This is the 24th century, and Starfleet captains are supposed to be well
>beyond our primitive military standards, and Starfleet is not a military
>organization so you are wrong to draw the parallel.  

Yeah, Star Fleet is like the Peace Corps or the Boy Scouts... with
photon torpedoes. :-)
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:59:47 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <9770.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>On 29 Dec 92 22:25:25 GMT, ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) wrote:
>EC>You know what else? If memory serves, almost every security officer
>EC>I've seen on TNG has worn red. Since Worf is head of security, shouldn't
>EC>he also be wearing red?

>I think your memory fails you.  Ever since the first season, TNG security
>officers have worn gold (except Worf, who, for some reason, wore red in
>the first season).

Worf wasn't in security for most of the first season.  In many episodes, he
was the helmsman!  (And helmsmen have always worn red, yes?)

Worf may have worn red the rest of the first season because he hadn't been
"officially" transferred to the security division until season two.  But we
don't really know.  It was only a few episodes, anyway.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

Be warned: I will answer flames and condescensions in kind.
From: mitch@banana.fedex.com (mitch wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Turbo lift - What gives?
Keywords: turbolift, button...
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:38:04 GMT
Organization: Federal Express Corp.

silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:

>In article <1hgjnvINNb5@uwm.edu> simon@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David Joseph Simon) writes:
>>Since when did they have to press a button to gain access to the turbo lift doors?
>>Even in the TOS, all they had to do was just walk right on board.  Now, all of a sudden, they have to press a button to get on the thing.
>>What gives?  

>Since the third or fourth season, when TNG began to make minor upgrades in
>the show's sets, doors have had doorbell buttons and turbolifts have had
>call buttons. No reason has been given, but such a system would probably
>be more reliable than whatever optical sensors would have to be postulated
>to exist before...

I would say that the button is there for persons without com-badges. They 
cannot be tracked by the computer therefore it is not known that they are
trying to access a turbo-lift for the computer to open the doors automat.



mitch

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:10:10 GMT

abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla) writes:

>jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:

>> Why does it matter whether she's a military crew member or a  
>> non-military crew member?  She a crew member nonetheless and has the  
>> rank of Lt. Commander just like Data and La Forge, to name a couple.   
>> She can and has taken control of the ship before and she can order  
>> other people on the ship around like any other officer with rank higher  
>> than those being ordered.


>The whole idea of Troi not wearing an officer's uniform is for a since 
>that Counselor Troi isn't an on-duty officer when people come to her for 
>problems.... She wants to create a family atmosphere type-thing.

Hmm, my mother never wore anything like that. Can't say as I'd be
real comfortable with her sitting across from me wearing what she
normaly wears. I'd prefer the uniform to the pajamas

>However, it did surprise me that she actually did wear a uniform... it 
>seems that the new captain is stricter, or at least much different from 
>Picard....

No, really? :)

			CtB
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From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Re: STARDATES
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  1 Jan 93 17:00:39 GMT

   I would very much like to hear any more that you have discovered about
the stardate system. Please post it when it is done.

	 Frnks! :>
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   Vizzini did not wake.
   Not so gently this time.
   Nothing.
   "Oh, I see, you're dead." Fezzik said.
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:30:26 GMT

msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:

>Hey, let's just go back to ONE newsgroup. That way, there'd be
>no way to mess up and post to a wrong group. ;)

>I like the current system, but .current has gotten WAY too big.
>I left town for 2 days, and I have something like 150 articles
>to sift through. How 'bout making 2 .current groups?
>.current.one and .current.two (something like that). Same
>charter. Just pick a .current, and don't worry about the other
>one. That's the only thing I have left to propose. I't silly,
>but...

I kinda like the idea of going down in the number of groups. Seems to
me with all the yelling screaming that we're all screwing up, we'd
be better off that way.

I think we should have r.a.s.current, r.a.s.tech, and r.a.s.general (misc?).
with those, it'd be easier, maybe we wouldn't even need .general
anyways, just my $.02. Seems to me the more we split, the more cross-posts and
incorrect posts and the more comfusion.

			CtB
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where was Jellico?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:57:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Maybe during one of their confrontations Riker should have
asked Jellico, "So when was the last time YOU saved the planet
Earth from the Borg, bub?"

(Yeah, I know, and then we would have found out whether or not
Starfleet still has keelhauling...)

-- 
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& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
From: wanagin@kingkong.escape.de (Ulf Bahrenfuss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 4th Season on SKY One ?
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:05:34 GMT
Organization: private

Hello out there!

Does anybody know, if Sky One will continue the airing of StarTrek beyond
the end of season 3?
Will they send season 4 and further?

Hope you can mail me an answer

Live long and prosper

--
Ulf Bahrenfuss                    wanagin@kingkong.escape.de
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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Subject: Re: Tasha Yars daughter
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:39:08 GMT

In article <78768@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.161351.11508@erenj.com+ mbaker@erenj.com (Michael Baker) writes:
>+I am curious to know about something.  I recently say a STNG show with Tasha Yars
>+daughter, who happens to be Romulan.  It was suggested in the show that Picard
>+sent her back from the future to some time in the past where she was captured by
>+Romulans.  While she was in the past, she apparently stayed tehre and mothered
>+this Romulan child.  How could she have gone to the past on Picards orders when
>+we all saw her killed?  Does anyone have any idea how this got by??? Maybe just
>+something to think about.
>
>Oh boy, Michael are you gonna get it!  You better start donning your
>asbestos underwear now.  The answers to the questions you ask are all
>covered in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", which is a consensus
>favorite.  Stand by to be roundly flamed as an ignorant idiot!  (Some
>people on the net have NO MERCY).
>
>Tim  :-)

Why should anyone flame Michael, merely because of the fact that
he missed one of the best (IMHO) TNG episodes ever? :)

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: data watch
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:53:39 EST

 -=> Dunae babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 Du> In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
 Du> He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge.   How come Dr.
 Du> Crusher, Data, Geordi, or Dianna never sit in the command chair?
 Du> They're all the same rank as Riker.   And they also take orders
 Du> from him, maybe it's because of his uniform colour, or maybe
 Du> because he's Picard's right hand man?

Dr. Crusher is the only other Commander on the ship.  Data and Geordi
are both Lt. Commanders and Deanna is only a Lt.  However, Dr. Crusher's
rank is only high in a medical point of view.  When both Picard and
Riker are gone, Data is next in line (he's third in command).  The
change in colour denotes a change in responsibilities.  I believe Amber
was like tech and engineering whereas Red is commanding or official.
Something like that.


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