HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Will Zoe be charged?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:35:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM
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In article 10524@ac.dal.ca, butleri@ac.dal.ca () writes:
> 
>      I do have one question about Zoe. Is she going to be charged for
> knowingly hiring illegal aliens, and failure to pay the Social Security
> Tax? Or is she going to be allowed to get away with it?

I don't believe she will be charged.  By all accounts I know of, the matter
is closed (she did pay the taxes + a penalty).  She did *not* get away
with it.

	This is not "special treatment" either.  Most of the time that
Mr. or Ms. J. Q. Public fails to pay taxes, the government is more 
interested in getting the money than in sending someone to jail.  The
only times that I can recall the government persuing the matter to get
jail time for the offender is either 1.  it was something you tried to
hide from the government (not the case as she was the one who admitted
it) or 2.  the government is after you for other reasons like being
a drug dealer etc (again, not the case).


Bob De Guc
I vote, therefore I am!!







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From: pbowden@missing.kludge.com (Pete Bowden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: The Land of Make Believe
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 10:31:50 PST
Organization: The Missing Link BBS, Santa Maria, CA  805-925-1129

Recently President William Jefferson (Blythe IV) Clinton made a visit to
Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.  President Clinton made some comment that if
more American neighborhoods were like Mr. Roger's neighborhood the 
country would be a much nicer place.

Mr. Roger's gave President Clinton a Trolly car.  Does everyone here 
remember back to Mr. Roger's TV Show???   The trolly was symbolic and
the means by which Mr. Roger's could take all of his viewers to the land 
of make believe.

Now, not only can President Clinton have a convenient means of getting 
back and forth from reality to make believe, he can take as many 
Americans as he can load onto the trolly with him.

Pete

--
pete@missing.kludge.com (Pete Bowden)  {SYStem OPerator}
The Missing Link BBS, (805) 925-1129
From: bayram@willis.cis.uab.edu (Zeki Bayram)
Subject: gays in the military
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:29:34 GMT



On the matter of allowing homosexuals into the armed forces of the
U.S.A., a few points to consider:
- This is not just a matter of principle
- American soldiers will probably not be wellcome anymore in foreign
  countries, especially Islamic countries
- Motivation is a great factor in the effectiveness of soldiers in
  combat. Soldiers have to "believe in" what they are asked to do.
  They have to believe that they are fighting to protect the high
  "values" and principles of America. They have to believe that they
  are morally right. How can they feel this way when they will see the
  armed forces to which they belong as being fundamentally flawed, and
  immoral? 
- American soldiers will be ridiculed as being "a bunch of faggots"
- Will definitely harm any alliance with Arab countries such as Saudi
  Arabia. Public pressure in those countries will force their rulers
  to sever ties (at least militarily) with the US
- Guess what Saddam will be telling his soldiers if there were another
  war in the Gulf: "Oh pure blood, God fearing defenders of this land.
  You are fighting against 'a bunch of faggots'. So go clear the earth
  of its slime!" And I think he would find an audiance, and not only
  in his soldiers!  

Zeki Bayram
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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Money Supply (Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE)
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:11:28 GMT
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) says:

>
>"FIFTY percent"?  Where did you get that factoid?
>
>      Money Supply Growth Rates
>
>  M2 growth (4Q/4Q)  M3 growth (4Q/4Q)
>  -----------------  -----------------
>  1988  5.2%         1988  6.4%
>  1989  4.8%         1989  3.6%
>  1990  4.0%         1990  1.7%
>  1991  2.8%         1991  1.2%
>   *    1.1%          *   -0.5%

      M1 growth was around 50 percent.  That tells me that, in
    spite of the "spirit of renewed hope" in the land, there's a 
    HUGE number of people who are stashing cash.

>
>  (* 11/91-7/92) through week ended Aug 3, 1992
>
>  Source: Federal Reserve Board
>
>
>-- 
>Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
>------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
>EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
>
From: fred@johnd.tamu.edu (Fred Seals 5-2298)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Taxing & Spending
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:39:12 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fred@johnd.tamu.edu
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In article 1G80@austin.ibm.com, alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:

Alan I can not agree with you more.  I have never wanted anything from
the government.  What ever the government provides is always less than
what one can get in the private sector.


fred

______________________________________________________________________

		Equal Rights for the womb-bound.

    _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/  | 
   _/       _/         | The above opinions are my own. To my knowledge they
  _/_/_/   _/_/_/_/    | are not shared by my employer or my friends.
 _/             _/     | However, they should be.
_/       _/_/_/_/      | Fred Seals 409-845-2298


Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Subject: Re: DAY TWO: MORE LIES
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:40:40 GMT

In article <1jnvtoINN2tq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) writes:


   In opposition to his PROMISE to cut the deficit in half in five years,
   President Clinton today relaxed budget constraints which would have cut
   spending across the board by 11% in order to meet his PROMISED goal.
   The lies are pouring in.  I guess Clinton takes 'sacrifice' to mean
   the common people suffering ever increasing taxation in order to 
   support the Democrats ever increasing pork barrel spending.  Gee, I
   wonder what promise he'll break tomorrow.

OK, I guess I'll have to just keep posting this.


Between 1956 and 1977, Congress passed 13 major acts expanding or
liberalizing the social insurance programs.  These included creation
of the disability program, Medicare, big benefit increases in the
early 1970s, and automatic indexing of Social Security in 1972.
Over two decades an average of 80% of House Republicans and 90% of
Senate Republicans voted for these expansions.  The largest increases
came under Reagan and Ford with ample help from the Democratically
controlled congress.

There is plenty of blame to go around.


[Baird Stuff deleted]
--


Matt Landrum, CAD Engineer      | e-mail: mdl@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center | office: (601) 324-4609, FAX - 4614
1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "You can get what you want if you
Starkville, MS  39759           | know how to find it." -- Tower of Power


Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan Morris)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:24:42 GMT

sbutler@irscscm.UUCP (Susan Butler) writes:

>	Clinton knowingly violated the law when he became a draft
>	dodger and now HE is in charge of enforcing those same
>	laws--kinda scarey isn't it?
>	The Vietnam Memorial Wall is full of names of people who
>	were not COWARDS--and now we have one for our president.

>	I feel very, very sad for my country.

I feel very, very sad that the Vietnam conflict still divides
our country. It was a waste of time, money, and lives. If the 
money that was spent on the Vietnam conflict had been used to fund
social programs, LBJ would have been remembered with a great 
deal more respect. 

One of the first to speak out against the conflict was J. William
Fulbright of Arkansas, a man unafraid to speak of his true 
convictions regardless of the consequences. (He also spoke out
against McCarthyism and the Bay of Bigs fiasco when he was 
alone in dissent.) The arguments for staying out of Vietnam were
that the French had been unable to accomplish anything useful,
and that our involvement there was unnecessary. For example, one of the
reasons cited for the conflict was the "Domino Effect". When 
South Vietnam finally fell, how many other countries fell to 
communism? Thus, the main argument for involvement in Vietnam was
incredibly misguided.

It seems that most Americans share a negative view of the Vietnam conflict.
68% feel that it was a mistake for the United States to send troops to fight
in Vietnam. Only 23% consider it a "just" war. It is senseless that so many
Americans had to die, senseless that the Vietnam Memorial Hall is even 
necessary. Wouldn't it be better if those brave soldiers were still alive?

The soldiers were doing what they were told -- obeying orders -- and cannot
be blamed. Those who deserve to be blamed were those who made the decisions
to become involved and to stay involved. The way many Americans communicated
their disagreement in the 1960's was to protest, since we live in a democracy
and deserve to be allowed to influence government policy.

I still feel very, very sad that Vietnam ever happened, and that it continues
to divide our country. But I feel comfortable that President Clinton will
not commit himself to the kind of misguided thinking that prompted
our involvement in Vietnam.

Later,
Morgan


-- 

John Morgan Morris
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Georgia State University
University Plaza
Atlanta, GA. 30303-3083

Internet: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
Telephone: (404) 651-2253
FAX: (404) 651-2246

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLA
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:32:47 GMT

In article <1k1dqsINNlbg@tamsun.tamu.edu> fred@johnd.tamu.edu (Fred Seals 5-2298) writes:

[stuff deleted]

   Carter have you been getting your news from Comrade WJB Clinton's
   press releases?  Bush revised the OMB's estimate of the deficit, a
   standard practice.  The revised amount was still lower than the figure
   Comrade WJB Clinton was using during the campaign. 

That's wrong. I thought Bill put on a little act when he was informed
of the new projections, but the magnitude of the deficit was not lower
than what Clinton used.  The numbers were just posted a few days ago.
I think there was a $14 billion difference in '93, exploding to a much
wider difference in '96.  Before anyone points out that $14 billion is
not that much difference, we've had that discussion (although you're
welcome to start it again).

 [more deleted]




--


Matt Landrum, CAD Engineer      | e-mail: mdl@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center | office: (601) 324-4609, FAX - 4614
1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "You can get what you want if you
Starkville, MS  39759           | know how to find it." -- Tower of Power


Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:42:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.150001.23694@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>Wrong.
>
>FIRST 100-DAYS ECONOMIC PLAN:
>
>Clinton in interview on ABC's "Good Morning America", June 23, 1992
>	"...I'll have the bills ready the day after I'm inaugurated.  I'll send them

	 This was before we found out that Bush had mis-lead
the American people, which was normal for him, concerning the
size of the national debt. 

	This is really funny, watching you hard core
conservatives go through "abussive power" withdrawal. Just
think FOUR YEARS.....

			Carter


--

                  "If all the economists were laid end to end, 
                   they wouldn't reach a conclusion."
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The ubiquitous Robert Reich
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:30:09 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1993Jan21.204658.4586@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.033936.23132@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>In article <20JAN93.23071775@skyfox> hewitt@skyfox writes:
>>>
>>>Does any one know how tall Labor Secretary and Harvard University Economics
>>>Lecturer Robert Reich is? After seeing him numerous times on CNN and other
>>>networks from the waist up, he was featured on Frontline last night and I
>>>swear he did not look more than four feet tall. I ask simply out of base
>>>curiosity.
>>
>>He's under five feet, around 4' 11" or something like that.
> I hear that for Halloween '93 he'll be going to the White House Halloween
> party as Darth Vader....
> 
> :-)

Ho Ho Ho Ho! Ha Ha! Good one Simon. You're so funny :) Jeez, does this
guy have a great sense of humor or what!!!

What are you now Simple^H^H^H^H^H^H Simon, still a frosh? Or are you
a soph now?

-G



> 
> Simon
>
From: sfreedkin@igc.apc.org (Steve Freedkin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: WANTED: Clinton's inaugural speech
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:52:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:C1816x.A02@ais.org:892014242:cdp:1588800081:000:101
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sfreedkin    Jan 22 23:52:00 1993


A copy of the speech has been e-mailed to you, from the alt.politics.clinton
conference on Peacenet.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.libertarian
From: grayid@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (I. D. Gray)
Subject: Re: CLINTON: The Majority of Americans Didn't Vote for Me, Anyway.
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:47:17 GMT

In most "Democracies" the person that gets in does not have a Majority, rather the most votes,

It happens here all the time. This is where a preferencial system has its merits.

Ian
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From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:46:17 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <1993Jan21.184835.3791@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>, bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes:
|> From article <1993Jan20.233552.24410@midway.uchicago.edu>, by dave@alex.uchicago.edu (Dave Griffith):
|> > 
|> > his first full day in office, let's see if he has something then.  It's 
|> > not as though anyone will die if he breaks his promises.  Unless they're
|> > Haitian, of course.
|> 
|> 
|> 	Actually many Haitians were likely to die if he immediately kept
|> his promise.  Rickety make-shift boats plying the ocean and all of that.
|> This was the point of holding off.  Seems reasonable to me.

Of course, when Pres. Bush gave that as his reason, he was doing it because
he was a racist. When Pres. Clinton does it, he's being reasonable. Hmm. You
work for a media organization, by any chance?


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Administration of the elite!
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:58:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <2652@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
> Not that it has any real meaning other than symbolism, but I heard on
> the radio this morning as I drove to work that it's official; The
> Clinton administration contains more millionaires than any other 
> administration in history.
 
     But, these are compassionate millionaires who feel our pain.  
Bentsen, Brown, Christopher -- these millionaires aren't like the 
Washington Insiders that composed previous administrations.  These 
millionaires are diverse: they (superficially) look like America.  
Even the sub-millionaires are diverse.  Take Robert Reich and Vernon 
Jordan, for example.  I'll bet that 99.9% of Americans have a height 
somewhere between that of Reich and Jordan.  They're just like us!

     C. Perttunen

P.S.  :-)
        
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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:26:00 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1993Jan28.144053.1570@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:

|In article <1k73ktINNbo2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Richard A. Mulac,
|ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
|> So, making promises to people which you have no intention of keeping
|> is not a reflection of character?  Hmmm, you and I must have grown up
|> differently.

|I live in the real world Richard. I didn't hear you complaining when Bush
|broke almost every campaign promise he made. The fact is that campaign
|promises mean nothing because of the nature of politics. We may not
|like that situation, but we, the voters, created it.

And some of us voters are trying to change it.
I don't know about Richard, but 2 years ago I did not have net access.
But the fact that Bush broke his promise is one of the reason's I did
not vote for him.
-- 
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: ricks@luke.nrl.navy.mil (Richard Schumeyer)
Subject: Re: Not a Middle-Class Tax!  A "Loophole"!!
Organization: NRL
	<15696.2b66e1a5@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:48:31 GMT


vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>I didn't vote for Clinton because I thought I would get a tax cut (eventually
>it would be nice :) but because we need someone who is going to start
>getting the $4G+ debt payed off. At the moment the interest on the debt
>is absorbing 50% of the tax base and if the deficit isn't decreased eventually
>the interest on the debt will absorb the entrie tax base of the country!

I agree that debt interest is a problem, but it was Perot who talked the most
about the debt, not Clinton.

The problem with the "raise taxes to eliminate the deficit" solution is that
is assumes that spending will not be increased...or at least that new spending 
would be less than new revenues.  As was mentioned during the campaign, this
didn't happen last time.  It is difficult to imagine congress not spending new
money.

As a taxpayer, I resent the fact that I will probably be asked to pay more
taxes, but I haven't heard much about spending reductions.  Even with the
"peace dividend", politicians are scrambling to find new ways to spend this
money.  It's as if the idea of not spending it is totally foreign.
--
------------------------
Rick Schumeyer          
Software Technology     
ricks@luke.nrl.navy.mil 
------------------------
Opinions mine only.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
From: roh@spot.Colorado.EDU (ROH JOHN J)
Subject: Re: Astrology Nixes Shooting (Was Re: Clinton's Promises ...)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:26:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.201428.14367@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>In article <8kjawzw@Unify.Com> ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
>>
>election in '40.  Who was 1900?  McKinley?  It's not just getting
>shot, it's more like dying in office.  FDR brain hemmorage.  Harrison,
>I recall, fits in this framework also.
>
>The twenty-year curse still applies to Reagan, on account that we can,
>if we really want to, work brain-death in here somehow.
>
>

      Hee,hee, that's a good one.

>--
><Phone rings> "Hello?...  He did what?...  Bomb 'em....  I'm still
>President."
>			-- Dana Carvey's George Bush, 1/16 SNL
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Kill file capabilities wanted for TheNews
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:47:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

After attempting to read this newsgroup I realized I really need a kill file
capability. Unfortuantely, TheNews for the Mac doesnt have this. Anyone know if
a later version is available that has this?

*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: God is intolerant of sin!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:18:47 GMT

>In article 20334@hobbes.kzoo.edu, k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes:
>>>>>"Everybody knows it" is not an acceptable answer.
>>>>
>>>>But it seems that "It is the right thing to do" is an acceptable one.
>>>
>>>And how do you know that "it is the right thing to do"?
>>>
>>>Ah, i see.  "Everybody knows it".
>>
>>Er...what exactly are we talking about here?
>

Being the author of one of the above lines, I guess that I should
explain (even though Ms. Shore might start insulting me, which does
not offend me, but, on the contrary, gives me great joy to be considered
by her as someone who could be named by her great electronic pen).

Anyway:
Mr. Pierce, the one who feels people look at him in NYC because he
usses earings, said that "Everybody knows" is not an acceptable answer.
I read it, and found it interesting coming from him (or from anybody,
must I say).
The same people who now says that that answer is unacceptable are those
who say that this or that "are the right thing to do". Idea which is
based on the same principle as "everybody knows it".

Now, if you are looking for a second degree of deepness in this dialog,
I would more than happy to provide you with it.

Adios,
AAP


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