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From: schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller)
Subject: home computer show in melbourne....
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:34:45 GMT

This is kind of a challenge...

Seeing there is alot of talk about the HCS and amigas etc, i am wondering
who is going to post the first review of the HCS to this group...

Two things i have heard in this group, are that i) Maxwells are having the
A4000 on display and ii) Commodore are releasing the A1200 (nationally i would
say) there. 
For me it (and alot of others) it will be a first look at the new machines and
i am really looking forward to it .... I have heard alot of negative things
about the A4000 and the A1200 but i can't wait to see (and use!) them..

I will be there friday night and I can have a modem, so i reckon i should be
the first with all the gossip.. I would like to hear ppls views on the sat
and sunday as well as i will be out of town..

Green Guide ad gives you $3 off the admission ($9?) so I would be advising
ppls to get a copy of that before you go too...

Let the flames begin....

schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au

Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: andrewl@hades.ausonics.oz.au (Andrew J Lockwood)
Subject: SUMMARY: Where to FTP FISH disks?
Keywords: fish ftp
Organization: Ausonics Pty Ltd 61-2-428-6444
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 00:06:31 GMT

I wrote:

>Where does everyone get their FISH disks from these days in Australia?

The answer is to ftp them from the US at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu. 

This is sad because our connection to the US is apparently saturated.

Thanks to everyone who replied.

Andrew Lockwood
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From: fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Computer Power Software
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:50:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.0745.> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
> Sigmacom should last that long, how else could they afford the massive
> ads they have in ACAR every month. I also remember seeing them at the

Remember the cause and effect could be the other way around! I.e.
companies have gone broke because of things like putting massive ads
in magazines, expecting to get a huge return but not getting it.
-Craig
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From: fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Computer Power Software
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:20:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.095311> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
> GDay All,
>
> 	The Amiga 4000 is available in Australia. It is selling for $5499 from 
> Sigmacom in Cronulla, Sydney. Mark Harwood is the person to talk to, and 
> he says that he gets it into Australia in 14 days. (You have to put a deposit 
> on it first). It doesn't come with any monitor, but it has the 100 meg IDE
> drive etc.

Oh well, there goes another Commodore dealer. They seem to be an
endangered species these days!

-Craig
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: richardr@vast.unsw.edu.au (Richard Vander Reyden)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:14:14 GMT

: Hey guys another interesting fact, Sigmacom and Amitech are the same 
: company... they both run out of the same office.....
: 

That is true that they operate out of the same office, but it is
incorrect that they are the same company.  They are two separate
companies.

						Richard.
richardr@vast.unsw.edu.au
From: mclean@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Stewart McLean)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: A4000...we can only dream
Date: 5 Nov 1992 01:10:05 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

>	HEY, I'm Sold on the A4000, absolutely, but where and when can I go to
>a store and buy one???? I am ready and waiting for the machine, I've even seen
>a photo on the cover of a Euro magazine, but EVERY store I ring draws a
>blank on the new machines............
>
>	At least you can buy a bloody Mac(or whatever) NOW, not next year.:(

EXACTLY....I've sick to death of getting the run-around on the A4000....
Gee-wiz...C= Australia doesn't even know when the A4000 will be
released and/or how much it's going to cost, not even a forcasted price. 

I don't mean to be rude...but all I can say is..

      "PULL YOUR BLOODY FINGER OUT C= AUSTRALIA AND GET YOU ACT TOGETHER"

Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: rda753x@nella14.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Jones)
Subject: Re: A1200????
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:55:47 GMT


   Well, I heard a rumor (hehe) that the 1200 will be released at the Home
Computer Show (13-15th Nov Melbourne).

   I also have a friend who has bought a 4000, due in a couple of weeks, don't
know the source though.

   Apparently Commodore Australia has got its little act together.


      Richard.
ps. but then, these could be just rumours :-)

pps. Oh, and I still think it sucks that they _still_ haven't produced a low-
end machine with a decent processor. The '020 was bugeer-all of an improvement
over the 68k. And the main improvements it did have are mostly cut out in the
EC.
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From: mclean@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Stewart McLean)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: A4000 series
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:40:43 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au


>Umm.. I read a posting about the Future Show..(something or other) in the UK
>and they were handing out flyers about the Amiga 4000 SERIES of computers.
                                                      ^^^^^^
>It had an asterix next to the process configuration in the spec sheet and
>placed under the asterix something about a 68030 configuration too.

>So I believe there's going to be a 68030 powered A4000.  

I've heard the same, a 68030 based A4000.

>I don't believe the Amiga 3000 or Amiga 2000 are going to be continued as 
>Commodore don't really need to spend more money designing new boxes...

I don't see how Commodore can continue with the A2000/A3000 machines with 
their limited resolutions/colors. Against the likes of Apple, with their 
Mac IIsi/IIci machines, the A2000/A3000 machines look pretty ordinary.
Let's face it, the A2000/A3000 machines, in the mini-workstation market,
are well past their bed times.

With a series of A4000s, Commodore can handle anything Apple, and the like, 
throws at them.

Stewart.


Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: nikola@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Nikola Vukovljak)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:43:30 GMT

>	I was just mentioning the fact that Sigmacom can get them.. I am
>not a representative or anything.. in fact I don't give a shit about who 
>they are and what they do... I just responded to a posting I saw here 
>complaining that the A4000 is not available yet.
>
>But here are some of my views about Sigmacom and all those companies that
>import the machines:
>
>a) It is a very silly thing to do... Commodore will not support machines 
>that have not been purchased in Australia AT LEAST!
>
>b) I don't believe that Commodore should close a dealer simply because he/she
>chooses to import machines from overseas. Furthermore I don't think 
>Commodore will stop distributing to Sigmacom. 
>
Sigmacom are not a registered C= dealer.



>
>d) If you desperately wanted an A4000 why don't you just mail order it your-
>self from the states. The current Amigas (correct me if I'm wrong again) 
>are no longer either NTSC or PAL - they're both.. (of course you might
>have a wee bit of trouble finding an adequate power supply! probably 
>rip one out of a 2000/3000).

You apparentely have to change a jumper or something and BTW the por supply
is switchable from what I hear (the A4000 at Amitech has one at least).


>
Nik.



Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: andrewl@hades.ausonics.oz.au (Andrew J Lockwood)
Subject: Re: Connecting IDE HD to A500?
Organization: Ausonics Pty Ltd 61-2-428-6444
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:44:24 GMT

albrecht@cs.flinders.edu.au (Tony) writes:

>I've got a Miniscribe 8051A 42M IDE drive from a PC clone, and would like to 
>connect it to my A500.
>Can I connect it through an A590 or can I use a controller from an A590? 

As far as I know, you can not connect an AT-IDE drive to an XT-IDE
controller like the A590. Your drive is an AT-IDE drive.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Andrew Lockwood
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: jasonb@cs.uwa.oz.au (Jason S Birch)
Subject: Re: A1200 came out in europe
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:38:24 GMT

In <1992Nov10.045146.29893@trl.oz.au> mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.222005.4076@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (George Kourtesis) writes:
[...]
>The best thing however is the price in Britain 399 pounds meaning that it can besold here for AUS $ 1000 rrp.
>|> 
>|> George.

>And this is with a 40MB hard drive and 2Megs of Chip Ram, right?

I understand that this price doesn't include a hard drive.

>Any word on fast ram trap door expansions?

>The gist I am getting from amiga.hardware is that the trapdoor can only
>take 4Megs of ram, and the PCMIA can go another 4Megs, but of course
>this is 16bit and half as fast to access.  The machine is supposed to
>speed up a decent amount with 32bit fast ram, so 2meg-chip, and 4meg
>fast in the trap door seems like the best deal.  Also the trapdoor can
>be used to house accelerator boards, which can have as much 32bit RAM on
>them as you like, so we will probably be seeing 030/040 accelerator
>cards to slide underneath, with space for 16Meg of fast SIMMS or
>something.

>Anyone care to contradict this?  Be gentle.
:)
That's correct as far as I know, except that I think you can add 8Megs
of 32bit ram to the trapdoor, but then you won't be able to use the
PCMCIA slot. So, I think I'd stick to 4Megs for the time being and see
what fun things come out for the PCMCIA :).
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland)
Subject: Re: A1200????
Organization: Bain & Company, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:27:11 GMT

bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au wrote:
> In article <1992Nov2.030213.13512@bain3.bain.oz.au>, carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland) writes:
> > 	I just got a good price for my A2000, and am READY for the A1200 !!
> 
> So, what is an A1200 ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au


	WELL....I'll post some articles I've found about the A1200 in various
newsgroups, well just some snippets....I think you'll agree the A1200 is a 
real winner, and could sell in DROVES in Australia.....

The following article exerpts are from comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:

from cheungc@p4.cs.man.ac.uk               

"I have been informed that various computer
stores across the U.K. are now selling A1200's
I haven't managed to get much info except that
it comes with a 68EC020 has the AGA chipset
and comes with Workbench 3......"

from: Iank@Microsoft.com

"The A1200 is now available in the shops in London, at a price of 399.99  
pounds (about 680 US $). I just saw one yesterday at Silica Shop, for  
those living in the UK. This is about the same price as your average non  
mail-order 286 clone with an HD. The A600, since someone asked, goes for  
299.99 pounds, and is widely expected to drop further to 199.99 pounds by  
the end of the year.

Still, back to the A1200. Very slim and sleek design. The case is an  
extended version of the A600 case, with the same white colour. It doesn't  
extend as far back as the A500. The machine I saw was running Shadow of  
the Beast III, which looked real fantastic. It also sounded a lot richer  
than any Amiga I have ever used (presumably because Paula is also  
benifitting from the increase in bandwidth). I hope that Shadow of the  
Beast IV utilises the SuperHiRes Dual PlayField modes of the AA chipset  
(1280x400, 16 colours per playfield, 24-bit palette). Now imagine  
that....!..........."

			Sounds pretty cool to me !!!!!!!

PS:	I was told yesterday that the A4000 could be a YEAR away from Australia,
	if so this is pretty sad..
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: thecure@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:43:00 GMT

amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith) writes:
>tp924353@gum.canberra.edu.au (Jason Hecker) writes:
>>In <1992Nov7.095311.26590@cs.uow.edu.au> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:

>>>	The Amiga 4000 is available in Australia. It is selling for $5499 from 
>>>Sigmacom in Cronulla, Sydney. Mark Harwood is the person to talk to, and 
>>>he says that he gets it into Australia in 14 days. (You have to put a deposit 

Commodore know about this, and aren't impressed. It's one of those sure
fire ways of loosing a dealership.

>Then again, what warranty ? If CBM's so-called warranty is still 3
>months, I would give Sigmacom the benefit-of-the-doubt that they would
>last that long ;-).

The warranty used to be 3 months on 500's, and 12 months on other
products.

This has since changed, and now the industry standard (home computer)
1 year warranty applies on all accesories.
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (George Kourtesis)
Subject: A1200 came out in europe
Reply-To: u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:20:05 GMT

The A1200 has finally arrived at europe.
It looks like a A600 that has been extended to fit in a numeric keypad.
It features the AGA chipset, an IDE drive interface, 880 k floppy (boo, hiss) an 680e20 processor.There is room fgor the coprocessor but is not being utilised (C= engineers could not rig a trapdoor to allow acess so it was abandoned, however the real estate is there to be used for a co-processor. ). As for e20 (or is it e020 ? ),
680e20 are a full 32 bit implementation but has its adress space cut down from 32 bit down to 24 bit, meaning that it can adress 16 megs of ram maximum. Unlike some other low end sysytems the A1200 employs a full 32 bit bus. There is an expansion trapdoor that is 32 bit as well, which also means that all other trapdoor devices are incombatible. There is a 16 bit PCMIA slot as in the A600.
The best thing however is the price in Britain 399 pounds meaning that it can be sold here for AUS $ 1000 rrp.



George.
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: sgccrjh@citec.oz.au (Robert Howlett)
Subject: Re: A1200 came out in europe
Organization: CITEC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:16:44 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jasonb@cs.uwa.oz.au (Jason S Birch) writes:

: That's correct as far as I know, except that I think you can add 8Megs
: of 32bit ram to the trapdoor, but then you won't be able to use the
: PCMCIA slot. So, I think I'd stick to 4Megs for the time being and see
: what fun things come out for the PCMCIA :).
: -- 

What does PCMCIA stand for ?

I have tried some of the ram expansion type PCMCIA cards from Amstrad
and Toshiba in a 600, and they seem to work fine ... Commodore have
actually fowlled a standard! Amazing!
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor)
Subject: Re: How much does SAS C 6.0 cost is Aus
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:47:26 GMT

s1180252@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (N Ashford (CHUGGLES)) writes:

>Hi,
>   I intend to buy SAS C 6.0 at a computer show coming up in Melbourne, and I'
>   m wondering what the street price of the package is, and if there are any
>   student discounts offered aswell.

I don't know how much it costs but I'll give you some advice.. if you
buy it, get it from SAS directly.. (look in the phone book for their
address) and tell them that you are a student. You get 50% off the 
normal price... (should be about $300 dollars I guess with the discount).

						Gerardo.


u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au

PS: If you are a registered owner it only costs $175 to upgrade from 
SAS V5.x
From: phil@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Cheapest price on an A3000.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:37:34 GMT
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
Reply-To: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au

Now that the A4000 and A1200 have been released, I imagine that the price of
A3000s should start to drop.

Could someone please tell me the best place and price to get an A3000 in
Australia.

The only Amiga dealer in SA is Phoenix Microtechnologies, and they want:

    A3000/100         $3650
    A3000/50          $3295

These prices are for 25MHz and 2M RAM.  They do not include the price of a
monitor.  The price they want for a monitor is:

    A1960             $850


If you know of somewhere that can give me a better price than this, please
post it.


Thanks,
Phil.

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From: Kevin.Tankard@f550.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Kevin Tankard)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Checksums And Non-Dos Dis
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 03:38:00 +1000

Hi Devon,

DJ>    Thanks for the reply. Try downloading a file Gmcrack.*, it sort of gives

DJ>you an idea but nothing specific, it might be of help to you, i don't know. 
DJ>From what i can gather the way in is through the boot block, and by
emulating
DJ>all the conditions set for the system! Anyway thanks again!
DJ>
Will check it out .... let you know if I'm successful !!

Thanks ........ Kevin


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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: tp924353@gum.canberra.edu.au (Jason Hecker)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: aus
Date:  8 Nov 92 05:07:42 GMT

In <1992Nov7.095311.26590@cs.uow.edu.au> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:

>	The Amiga 4000 is available in Australia. It is selling for $5499 from 
>Sigmacom in Cronulla, Sydney. Mark Harwood is the person to talk to, and 
>he says that he gets it into Australia in 14 days. (You have to put a deposit 
>on it first). It doesn't come with any monitor, but it has the 100 meg IDE
>drive etc.

Not having a go at you Gerardo, but $5499 with no monitor is far too
much.  I wonder what sort of profit he makes on it.....  Also, it is
obvious he is importing it, so should it go belly up one day, I doubt C=
Aust. would honour any warranty.  Once C= decide to bring them in, they
might be a tad cheaper.  $4000 with no monitor is far more realistic,
albeit still too expensive.
From: bytey@werple.apana.org.au (Chris Hames)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: How much does SAS C 6.0 cost is Aus
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:41:59 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

s1180252@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (N Ashford (CHUGGLES)) writes:

>   I intend to buy SAS C 6.0 at a computer show coming up in Melbourne, and I'
>   m wondering what the street price of the package is, and if there are any
>   student discounts offered aswell.

Well I got mine on Monday since I was away last week.  Here was the pricing
info posted some time ago:-

*************************************************************************
Pricing:    $625    New
            $315    Full time Student discount
            $175    Upgrade from 5.xx
            $130    Upgrade from 5.xx if you bought the ANSI libraries
            $310    Upgrade from versions prior to 5.xx.
 
Orders can be placed with the   SAS Institute Australia PL,
                                Private Bag 52,
                                Lane Cove.  NSW.  2066
                                Phone:  (02) 428 0428
                                FAX:    (02) 418 7211
 
Aztec/Manx C Owners:
====================
    You can upgrade to V6 of SAS/C by sending in the front page of your
    manual and it will cost you only $315!
 
*************************************************************************

>Chuggles
>s1180252@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au
>s1180252@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au
>"Amiga born a champion" Quote from KS1.2
>"Now slowly dying" Popular opinion.

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