From: drt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Toreki)
Subject: EVERYONE: PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS (Was Re: I don't get references for
Summary: TO ALL, please read AND comment!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:59:21 GMT

In Article 400 of sci.research.careers Mr. Dunphy writes:
> Subject: Another topic closes - no more e-mail about it. Thanks.
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>I'd like to thank the people who sent me so many kind and supportive letters
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>after the series of posts I did about the current job situation in the pure
>sciences (or lack thereof). The concern a number of you showed was appreciated,
>but unnecessary. The situation I described in my first post is far behind me.
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>P.S. As I've implied in the header, I will not participate in any further
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>      e-mail debates on this topic, they would be redundant.
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AND THEN

   In article <92202.205247U53644@uicvm.uic.edu> <U53644@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
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>How do I know this ? Remember the dispute between me and Mr. Toreki ? I pointed
>out that Rob's honesty (and thus the seriousness with which one should take his
>claims about what he had witnessed) were put into serious question by the fact
>that when he replied to my previous posts, he lied about what I had said. Some
>of you wrote in complaining to me about saying that he had lied, how could I
>say that ? A number of you simply parroted what Mr. Toreki had said....
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> [another diatribe deleted]...
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	So this is all behind you, yet you feel free to redundantly and
repeatedly complain about the perceived injustice done to you by me?  Now who
is the liar, Mr. Dunphy?  First you say further posts will be redundant, then
you feel free to attempt to attack me at any opportunity and repeat the same
tired arguments.
	And for someone who claims to have had such great support, why do we
suddenly learn of "a number" of people who disagree with your tactics?  Now
who is selectively presenting information to fit his arguments?
	Frankly, sir, your contemptuous attitude is not welcome here, if there
are any who welcome it, let them post here and state so.  Mind you, logical
debate is welcome, personal vendettas are not.  And you will refer to me
either by first name or "Dr.", as you have said yourself that your use of
"Mr." is meant to be insulting.  Such juvenile nonsense is not what this forum
is based upon.  I, in turn, will show you equal respect should you be willing
to accept this.  And you will stop assailing other people with whom you have
other disagreements with when posting about other topics.
	You have consistently violated most of the basic tenets of usenet
ettiquette -- waging personal attacks in a public forum, posting redundantly,
failing to be succinct in your postings, open rudeness etc.
	Why is it when anyone questions your interpretation of events (the
stock market, yuppies being an evil in the world etc) that you attack them
personally and take great offense?  Why do you sink you teeth into them like a
pit bull?  WHY DO YOU THINK YOURS IS THE ONLY ONE TRUE MEANING OF LIFE, THE
UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING?  Why should we believe that your authoritative
treatises on all of these many subjects are correct?  Why do many of your
actions seek to stifle useful exchange rather than promote it?  Surely, we as
scientists are able to weigh the merits of other people's information without
you having to hold our hand and carp on fine points of logic that get away
from the intent of the posts?

	I can only conclude your anger and hostility that we see repeated here
day after day stems from your own basic insecurities.  Yes, you could state
your positions counter to mine and then DROP IT.  You could email me, even. 
But no, you won't look any better in the eyes of the world or to yourself
unless you have a public forum for your self-perceived aggrandizement.  Oh
yes, we will see a scathing, public response to this posting, I am sure. 
Probably 300 lines long and full of excised comments.  But at least I tried to
be somewhat civil before posting this.  Unlike, you, sir.  With an attitude
like yours, your lack of success on the job market surprises no one.  Think
about it. 


   *********SO LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH AND BEHIND US. DROP IT************
	
	 		***** TO ALL READERS....*****

	And in an unfortunately necessary waste of bandwidth, press "F" now
(instead of "R") and publicly leave a few lines.  Simply state whether you
think Mr. Dunphy's (or my, for that matter) tactics are welcome.  Nobody
should be afraid to post here for fear of getting caught in a brawl such as
this one you are all party to.  People have already indicated such fears. 
Don't let attitudes like Mr. Dunphy's rob us of this very useful forum.
			
			Send a message. 

	My apologies for resorting to this, but I and several other people
continue to see our names used as whipping posts by Mr. Dunphy and his
assorted malice.  This conduct is not in the spirit of Usenet _or_ science.


						Rob

P.S.  If this doesn't work, we may have to go to a moderator system. 
Unfortunate, but perhaps necessary.  Just when this was getting pretty good,
too.