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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:17:02 EDT
From:         gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 7

In this issue:
                            sequipedalian?!!
        PHOBE ALERT: TEXT of Vatican Statement on Homosexuality
                     GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 4
                     GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 6
                     GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 4
                              GAY PARENTS!
                        Tailgaters at Notre Dame
                              William Weld
                              Fox Contact
                       Rubber stamps and such...

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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 11:16:32 +0200
From: muewi@oz.informatik.uni-Bremen.de (Wilhelm Mueller)
Subject: Re: sequipedalian?!!

I don't know about sequipedalian, but sesquipedalian means a foot and
a half long.

 - Wilhelm

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From: Mathemagician <bevans@carina.unm.edu>
Subject: Re: PHOBE ALERT: TEXT of Vatican Statement on Homosexuality
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 3:05:43 MDT

Maybe it's just me, but I seem to feel that all of the statements in
the position paper could be applied to religion.  That is, their
insistance that it is a choice, not something inborn, is most
obviously applied to religion...and freedom of religion is in the
First Amendment to the Constitution.  Their claim that you don't know
the sexual orientation of a person until he tells you or shows you can
be applied to religion:  You don't know the religion (if any) of a
person until he tells you or shows you.  The claim that we cannot
defend "lifestyle choices" is without basis...we already do.

Second, I'm confused about them saying that they need to "defend the
communities moral values."  Who on earth died and made them god?  They
are implying that they're the only religious/moral viewpoint around
and what they feel should be followed.  Whatever happened to freedom
of religion?  If I'm not mistaken, MCC and Dignity do not claim that
homosexuality is a sin.  I'd be surprised if the UU church ever made
such a claim.  Why can't we live by their rules?  This is the precise
reason why the church is supposed to stay out of things legal.  There
are conflicting religions out there and to place one sect's morals and
values into law violates the First Amendment.

-
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 10:20:02 EDT
From: georgick@hal.hahnemann.edu
Subject: RE: GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 4

the last i "saw" of sandra bernhard, she was posing nude in the latest issue
of playboy (?!).  i believe she has also become a regular on the tv show
"roseanne", where she plays a blue collar housewife.  funky choices for someone
who is supposed to be on the cutting edge, but i guess even sandra bernhard has
bills to pay.

tamara
georgick@hal.hahnemann.edu

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From: csb@world.std.com (Charles S Bedard)
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 6
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 10:31:16 EDT

With all this "family values" garbage coming down the pike,
I decided to look up the word 'family' and see what its origin is.

I was really amazed. Get a load of this:
Family from middle English 'familie', from Latin 'familia'meaning
household servants of a household, from 'famulus' meaning servant.


This is what George Bush and facisct cronies want. Subserviance
to an outdated patriarchal system. I will NOT be George Bush's servant.

Charles Bedard
csb@world.std.com
Cambridge MA

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From: csb@world.std.com (Charles S Bedard)
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:29:56 EDT

I seem to be getting two copies of everything you send. Is there
any way you can fix that?

charles bedard
csb@world.std.com
cambridge  ma

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Date:        Wed, 02 Sep 92 12:26:04 EDT
From: "AAKL000@CATCC.bitnet  Kevin S. Lowery Catonsville"
 <AAKL%CATCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: GAY PARENTS!

> From: jjscally <JJSCALLY%UKANVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
> Subject:      C&M
>
> BRAVO, Cindy and Maureen, on your choice--and multiple snaps down
> (from a gay father) to anyone who says otherwise.  You can do without
> those folks in your life.  Since coming out, I've encountered mainly
> indifference among my gay friends about the fact that I have children
> (daughter 21, son 16).  I think it is because for most of them it is
> an alien idea.  They don't have children and don't expect to, so they
> just don't bring it up as my strait friends do.  Some do, of course.
> Last year I was on a panel of gay parents at a meeting of our GBL
> student group.  5 other gay fathers and a lesbian mother showed up to
> give us moral support.  At the end of the discussion, one of the women
> asked the students how many wanted to be parents.  Fully 2/3 of the
> men and a little over half the women raised their hands.  I was amazed,
> and sad that our adoption laws continue to make it impossible for most
> of the men to realize that dream.  From what I've observed, one of
> your biggest problems will be keeping all those aunts and uncles from
> spoiling your child.
>      There will be others, of course, and you will encounter some
> potentially ferocious hostility.  Lesbian friends of mine (2 couples)
> have sat down with daycare and public school teachers to explain that
> they are co-parents and are to be treated as such.  They have gotten
> guarantees from teachers that no disparaging remarks will be allowed.
> In one case, the girls have two mothers and a father who lives here
> in town.  In the other, the son has two mothers and a deceased father
> (artificial insemination, the donor a gay man).  That's how it is
> explained to the children, and that's how they explain it to their
> peers, many of whom are jealous because they onlyhave one Mom!
>     Be strong, friends.  You are bringing into the world a child who
> will be blessed with a very special life.  "Friends" who can't or
> won't see that aren't worth worrying about.
>
I would like to agree with Jim's statement.  I also get some flack
because I am a father with a son from a previous marriage (before I
got a clue!)  Anyway, I don't like the attitude of "the breeder."  I
think that it is a very positive thing for our community to have and/or
raise children.  It certainly is enough of a chore for straight people
let alone raising a child in a same-sex relationship.  Takes a strong
commitment to each other to raise a child.

I must say that for the most part, most gay males are too immature to
handle the responsibilities of parenthood that can weigh heavy
sometimes.  I also find very little acceptance by some gay males, but
I really don't care.  I find the men with children to be more mature,
accepting, and interesting.  Most of them have a life -- a very
complicated one -- and don't do the "normal" stereotypically-gay things
like most people think.  (I am sure there are non-parental people that
fit this category as well!)

I must hand it to the women (for the most part) and say that they are
more relationship-oriented and more willing to be responsible in a
relationship than males.  So, a big thank you goes out to those women
and responsible males that see it important to raise their children in
a diverse, gay-affirmative manner.  That is one of the best defenses
against future homophobia and bigotry.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:19:31 EST
From: Jeffrey.T.VanderWilt.1@nd.edu
Subject: Tailgaters at Notre Dame

A general invitation to Gaynetters and their student groups:

Gays and Lesbians at Notre Dame / St. Mary's College
P.O. Box 194
Notre Dame, IN  46556
jvanderw@darwin.cc.nd.edu

invites

gay and lesbian students and student groups
to our tailgater parties

10:00 a.m. to gametime,
Beer, soft drinks and light refreshments
(Hard drinks and more sophisticated foods are "bring-your-own, bring-to-share".)

Sept. 12 -- Vs. MICHIGAN        12:35 p.m.
Sept. 26 -- Vs. PURDUE          12:35 p.m.
Oct.   3 -- Vs. STANFORD        12:35 p.m.
Oct.  24 -- Vs. BRIGHAM YOUNG   12:35 p.m.
Nov.   7 -- Vs. BOSTON COLLEGE   1:35 p.m.
Nov.  14 -- Vs. PENN STATE       1:35 p.m.

(Sorry, we can't get game tickets for you.)

Call, write, e-mail, for more information.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:09 EST
From: GANDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Re: William Weld

Larry Goldsmith wrote some harsh criticism of William Weld. Ironicly I agree
with much of the post.  My point in the RepubliKKKans piece was focusing on
the use of specific minorities as targets in a cultural war aimed at reshaping
the US Society into a Fundametalist Judeo-Christian State. Well Gov. Weld
has made many decisions I disagree with; he does offer an alternative to
the far-right idealogues. Should someone run against Weld who is supportive
of our community and responds to social needs with positive action...well,
of course I'd vote for them. With the last race here though
the choice was between Weld and BU president Silber who was an idealogue &
would have made life hell for our community well duplicating many, if not more,
of the mistakes made by Gov. Weld. In fact many of us had concerns about
Gov. Clinton's committment to social needs given his record as governor but
given the choice between Clinton and Bush - Clinton looks a hell of a lot
better now. I guess I'm a radical-liberal dwelling in a pragmatists body.
        Jerry Cheney C/O "ganderson@vax.clarku.edu" or
        69 Monadnock Rd., Worcester, MA 01609.
        Phone (508) 755-0005

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Date:    Fri, 04 Sep 92 15:17 PDT
From: Ron Biduk                            <ECZ5RAB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Fox Contact

Have a few militant queers on the Melrose Place network who want to contact
Fox Television regarding Matt (the gay character) and his lack of character
development.  Seem to recall someone posted the address, phone and contact
person at Fox some time ago.  Hope someone out there can help me out.

Many Thanks,

Ron Biduk

Fashion should be a statement; not a cry for help.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:00:21 -0600
From: Ryon Brame <ryon@support.avalanche.com>
Subject: Rubber stamps and such...

        +--------------------+       +-------------------+
        |  Someone you love  |       | YOU RECEIVED THIS |
        |  is Gay or Lesbian |       |    FROM A QUEER   |
        +--------------------+       +-------------------+
Howdy!

	I had some rubber stamps made up that say "YOU RECEIVED THIS FROM
A QUEER" and "Someone you love is Gay or Lesbian" that I use to stamp all
my currency and letters.  I've put over $2500 in one-dollar bills out so
far with some great reactions from the receipients.

	My hope is that straight people will feel uncomfortable passing
the bills on, and maybe learn a little about what it's like to have others
react differently to you when they think you're queer.  If nothing else,
it makes people realize that we gays and lesbians are everywhere.

	Anyway, I hate to use this forum as a way to sell stuff, but I have
some stamps left over, so if anyone wants one (and a stamp pad), please
send $7 to:

			Ryon Brame
			2525 Arapahoe #E4-101
			Boulder, CO  80302

P.S. - I know you're wondering if it's illegal to deface money... It's not!
I looked it up.  There's one law with respect to defacing currency which
makes it illegal to deface a bill with the intention of taking it out of
circulation (which is the last thing I want done).

+--------------------+-----------+------------------------------------------+
| Ryon Brame         |   *****   |                                          |
| brame@colorado.edu |    ***    |     "I'm pink, therefore I'm Spam."      |
| Boulder, Colorado  |     *     |                       - Anon.            |
+--------------------+-----------+------------------------------------------+

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