HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:53:23 GMT

tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin) writes:
>
>I don't have a clue how it got to this:

Haven't you ever gotten the 3am munchies after a night of bar hopping?

>>>[My gravy recipe deleted]
>
>This March, on a truly foolish drive from Boston to Sarasota, I stopped
>in one of these "Shoney's", which I had never heard of until I had
>gotten south of DC.  There is a reason these don't exist north of DC.

...or west of Texas, I believe.

>I had order something called a "country fried steak", which the menu

Never order anything with "country" in the name unless you like lots of
fat and salt in your diet.

>listed as having "gravy" on it.  When it came, I had this breaded fried
>steak covered in what could only be wallpaper paste.  When I asked the
>waitress what the white stuff was, she - looking at me blankly like I
>had just asked her what direction was up - said "that's the gravy". 
>Well, I dipped my finger in it to taste it, and replied "this is not
>gravy - gravy is brown, this is a rue".  Anyhow, she didn't have a clue
>what a rue was, and I had her take it back to scrape the white stuff
>off, asking for steak sauce or something.

I've heard of red-eye gravy (for it's effect on the body, I think) but 
Brown? Hereabouts, anything brown or red is sauce - gravy is lighter
(in color only, trust me on this one).

>They were really quite offended by all this.

I can hear it now:  "Damn Yankee, this is what he ORDERED!!"

>How do these people live on this stuff?

Bet you've never eaten Hush Puppies either.  (I don't mean the shoe.)

jeff [had I been at the next table, I could have interpreted.]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:29:57 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>There *are* people who deserve a dash of salt in the eyes and a
>>rapier 'twixt the ribs; but it seems that this sort of thing is
>>Arne's *primary* mode of social interaction. It's almost like 
>>he took Donelan's "Darling! Being a bitchy queen is the most fun
>>you can *have* without a condom!" cartoon as the blueprint for his
>>entire life....

>And your interactions on motss are multifaceted and continually
>surprising? Thanks for letting us know...

	Nail.  Head...  Bang.

>>>That's known as George-baiting, not whining, and not hypocrisy, George.
>>1 for 3, Steve.  Whether he's "baiting" me or not is irrelevant.
>>It's an excellent example of his retarded approach to social 
>>interaction -- which is laden with whining and hypocrisy.

>If this whole thing weren't so preposterous I'd be rolling on the
>floor...
>
>John, who somehow senses George would rather die than do drag

	Hon, he IS doing drag!  Think about it.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Gay men personals...
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:59:20 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.031637.5579@athena.mit.edu>, sun@athena.mit.edu (Tigua Alan Naghel Jackson) writes:
|> I recently found myself attracted to a white guy, which isn't unusual
|> since I don't limit myself to any race.  But being a man of color, black
|> with a little French and Native American, I'm constantly forced to 
|> consider the implications of dating someone white.  I should say, it's more
|> that being a black American I am forced to consider the implications
|> of dating a white.  Particularly, the prime question is: is he
|> dating me because I'm black?

Are you dating him because he's white?  Can't you
consider the possibility that his attraction to you 
can be similar to your attraction to him - whatever 
that is?

|> This is all secondary, though, to the reason why I'm posting in the first place
|> which is for white men to consider: When placing an ad why say, 'GWM seeks same,
|> no fats no fems' when what you mean to say is, 'GWM seeks <whatever> no colored, 
|> no fats, no fems...'?

You're right.  Why shouldn't the ads I see that say
'GBM seeks same' be more honest and say 'GBM seeks
<whatever> no whites'?

|> Of course, my version is 'racist.'  But I'm the only one saying that...

You'd like to think so, apparently.  There's no
denying the racism of large numbers of people, gays
and lesbians being no exception.  But we're not talking
about employment, or housing, we're talking about
physical attraction.  I'm aware that misogyny is
common in men; does that mean that by not being
attracted to women I'm a misogynist?

I've gone out with blond white men, I've gone out
with latinos, I've gone out with black men.  I
went out with them because I was attracted to them
physically and (usually) emotionally and intellectually.
Am I not allowed my own discovery of my tastes and
desires?  I have the feeling you would be just as
upset by `GWM seeks GBM' as you are 'GWM seeks same',
but what if I discovered that I found darker men
more attractive?  I don't think this is as simple
as you're making it out to be.

|> Because denial does nothing...
|> I think that an admission of the true state of affairs in your mind set 
|> can only weaken the huge racial barrier that exists within the gay community.

There is a huge barrier, but I don't think that
personal ads are the biggest problem.

|> I'm not interested in any responses although that's not to say that
|> I won't entertain them...

You post here, you take what comes.  You have absolutely
no right to make blanket statements that include me
and expect that I (or other people) won't take issue
with them.  

|> I just wanted to bring something to attention for personal reflection.

Meaning you want to have *your* say and no discussion.  Feh.


-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Geography (was Capitalization, still dubious MOTSS content)
Summary:  well, the *obvious* reference ...
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:29:04 GMT

In article <1iffv8INNggi@rave.larc.nasa.gov> carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson) writes:

>|> Brent Davies, brent@syacus.acus.oz.au, contrasts:
>|>   >>"I'm from the city."
>|>   >>"I'm from the City."
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^  (actually, it should be The City - both caps)


... is Constantinopolis, nee Byzantion -- y'know, the one with the
signs saying "eis ton polis" that were Greek as far as the invading
Turks were concerned ...
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:18:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <73398@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton
Madison) wrote:

> () >How do the hypothalamuses of bears and twinks compare?
> () Before we examine that question you first need to
> () establish that twinks indeed have brains.
> ()      -- Rob Bernardo

Irrelevant.  The twink is an individual who does not *need* a
brain to get a man.  The bear is a creature which must plan
out it's hunt *very* *carefully* - lest it starve to death.
Typically, this involves lying in wait for unsuspecting twinks,
then knocking them cold with a heavy piece of wood.  When the
bear degenerates to a point of physical insignificance, its
strategy becomes one of proving that similarly challenged
bears are, in fact, *preferable* to the twink - thereby 
eliminating the need for a hunt at all...

*X*
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maria Montez vs Burl Ives, or Lighten Up a Little, Folks
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:45:54 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
 >A more accurate way to frame my opinion is that anything Arne
 >says has a roughly 95% chance of being a whine.

 >Usually, a bitchy whine at that.

Where "bitchy" means exactly what, in this context?

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:48:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.164814.18866
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan6.161231.12775@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.133321.10936@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan6.095233.2723@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>> >I don't know about you, but the time I had crabs they did not bite.
>> >Itch, perhaps, as they crawled over skin, but they did not bite.
>> >Neither do lice. They like to hang onto hairs and eat dead skin, so
>> >there is really nothing for them to nibble on when it comes to flesh.
>> 
>> They take a blood meal twice a day.  If you don't notice this, it may
>> reflect that you haven't developed a hypersensitivity to the bites.
>> 
>
>The sensations I underwent the one time *I* had crabs (about 15 years
>ago) could not be ascribed to "itching as they crawled over skin".
>These critters definitely bit.

French crabs, I've come to decide, are more refined. They perhaps 'taste',
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: AIDS awareness generation gap
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:42:09 GMT

The 1/11/93 issue of _Newsweek_ has an article called "The Young and the
Reckless" about younger motss folk.  "While the annual rate of new
HIV-positive cases among homosexuals is decreasing, survesy in urban
areas from Seattle to Mobile are finding signs of a relapse to pre-AIDS
recklessness, marked by a resurgence of free-wheeling gay night life.
Even more worrisom, the evidence points to a growing generation gap in
AIDS awareness: the importunate youth of the gay community apparently
are practicing high-risk sex in significantly greater numbers than their
elders."

If I didn't have a jillion and one things to do (so why am I reading
news?) I'd lift a few more excerpts but mainly I wanted to hear other
people's reactions to the article...

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:11:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.204303.11220@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>In article <TIM.93Jan6062654@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
>>
>>Shuddered?  With delight.  Krispy Kremes (I misspelled it the first
>>time) are, with The Krystal, among the South's great contributions 
>>to American consumer culture (should all those ``c's'' be ``k's''?),
>>food division, in the first half of the twentieth century. 
>
>I must wholeheartedly agree.  Nearly the first thing I do when I go
>home to Meridian, Mississippi is get in my car and fly across town to
>the Krystal and order about six.  

You order about six... does this depend on the number of employees on
shift at that time?  If understaffed, do you order each more than once?
Do they comply with your orders?

>Not too long after, I again jump in
>my car and race to Tuscaloosa to the nearest Krispy Kreme and get
>three or four dozen. 

Get, rather than order.  So Krispy Kreme is *more* compliant...

> ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
> \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |

                               I know how you feel.  I guess I really
                               must experience one of these K places
                               (Oh man, didn't I see enough of that
                               on New Year's Eve?!?) the next time I
                               wing my way southwards!
-paul
-- 
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"Our Father makes art in Heaven, Howard be thy name..."
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 19:50:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan5.053635.24836@netcom.com>
  <1993Jan5.174410.24186@midway.uchicago.edu>

Ellen Keyne Seebacher writes:
>Bionic Woman Fan even before I was a Spelling Queen,

You too, eh??  What were your favorite episodes?  Mine were the
ones with the aliens who built the Sasquatch, and the episodes
with the "Fembots."  (Admittedly, both of these carried over with
_$6M Man_....)

Of course, it's been a *long* time.... I wonder if they're ever
going to release the series on videotape or laser disc?  If they
can do _Space:1999_, surely _The Bionic Woman_!

 
() Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm.
()      -- Publilius Syrus
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: OPERA: ``The Birth of Venus'' [Schoenberg Auditorium UCLA 1/8-1/9]
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 00:26:23 EST
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Naked Emperor Productions and UCLA Department of Music Present:

THE BIRTH OF VENUS, A three act tragic opera in English, by Kent Carlson.

Conducted by Jonathan Stockhammer, Directed by Jennifer Adcock

			starring

**DEAN ELZINGA	REBECCA SEMRAU	CONSUELO MORENO	KENT CARLSON

On Friday January 8th and Saturday January 9th at 8:00pm in the Schoenberg
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Tickets are $15 ($10 for students) 310-825-2101.

[** Dean is my significant other. Kent is his ex-boyfriend and wrote the opera
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---
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"When Jesse Helms filibusters an [AIDS] research bill, I want to scream 'You
idiot! It's going to take us out as a species!'" -- Robin Williams.
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A bad coming out story?
Keywords: help!
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:45:28 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1993Jan8.210920.1280@midway.uchicago.edu> kolt@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>"Don't discuss lifestyles with Jay."  
>Can anyone recommend howI should handle the situation?

I think that the best thing you can do is to say that your only goal
is to help Jay with his school work, but you will not lie to Jay if he
asks.  Then do just that.  I would not try to "bait" him by just
happening to have a gay newspaper, etc.  However, if it is your style
to wear gay jewlery/pins or to have newspapers laying around, etc.
then don't hide them just because this "innocent" child is coming
over.  

I think your friend was just trying to say in her own nice way, "Don't
you lay a hand on him."  Which I do suggest that you don't... even if
he comes on to you.  If that happens, just explain to him that it not
only may be illegal, but you made a promise to his mother.  Be honest
with him if you do find him attractive and suggest that you two might
take some time to find out how he could meet folks his own age. 

Do you think that he is gay?
 
-- 
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|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:53:37 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca
Distribution: soc

In article <1993Jan11.153016.18746@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil  
Snodgrass) writes:
> 
> But I as a person in the Gay community hope to hell we don't waste 
> any or our resources on protecting bathrooms for sex.

I have a *bit* of a problem with this, in that it too easily extends to  
statements like "I hope we don't waste any of our resources in protecting  
S/M freaks" or drag queens or bestialists or whatever.

The problem is that, if we cross too many people off of our "worth  
protecting" list, there won't be anyone left to protect.

The people we need to protect are those who are suffering unjust  
punishment for "crimes" that are of no consequence, such as sexual acts in  
private or highly secluded areas.

At the same time, we need to differentiate these from acts which are  
actually antisocial, such as the sexual harrassment of straight men. The  
degree to which these acts occur is an open question; it might actually be  
quite rare. When they do occur, however, it should be obvious that they  
are not worth defending. 

It is important to make this distinction; too often, our fight against  
injustice is construed to be a defense of the antisocial, such as in the  
defense of persons entraped in bathrooms. This is does *not* make for good  
PR.

-Anthony

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde)
Subject: Re: Smells Like Bisexual Spirit (ewwwwww!!!!)
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:59:59 GMT

tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:

>>Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:
>>
>>   Another one out, and this one's a biggie: I just heard on the radio that 
>>   Kurt Cobain has declared he is a "practicing bisexual."  (his wording, 
>>   no flames please)
>
>Doesn't Nirvana appear in drag (or deosn't part of Nirvana) in one of
>their videos? 
>

Yeah, they do!  They do a take off on the Beatles appearance on the
Ed Sullivan Show back in 1960-whatever, and the last couple of minutes
feature cuts between clean-cut beatlesque boys playing, and the drag-
queens-from-hell destroying the stage.  What it means, I don't know.
Why?  I don't know.  Personally I think Freddie Mercury looks better
in a dress than them...:)

Jim

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 19:39:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan5.174410.24186@midway.uchicago.edu> <72973@cup.portal.com>
  <1993Jan6.220509.2438@thinkage.on.ca>

Ken Dykes faux pas':
>>can do _Space:1999_, surely _The Bionic Woman_!
>
>her name wasnt shirley...
>
>   -ken, cringing

You'd *better* cringe.  Next time I get you alone, I'm going
to *bite* your foreskin!!!!

But then, what else is new???   ;-{)##]

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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clear and cold (was: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette))
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:25:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan11.232526.19300
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan11.223627.4663@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>Sim, you are welcome to shoot large holes in my amateur meteorology.

Isn't that "poke large holes..." ?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: I am confused
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:46:45 GMT

Tattoos... bustles... I see the connection...

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dbassing@epas.utoronto.ca (Don Bassingthwaite)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:48:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.180230.5316@psych.toronto.edu> paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>Cool Water by Davidoff is my favourite right now.  The new polo (Spirit?)
>is popular, and patchoulli (sp?) oil always seems to be wafting around 
>Toronto's warehouse parties...
>-paul
>

Cool Water gets high praise here too - but the promotional video gets
more!!  YOW!  A toothsome twink lounging in the foaming surf and who
introduces him to the cologne?  A sailor!

Not that the sailor was much to look at, but the lounging model was
truly a sight to behold.  I was watching the video so long I felt
obligated to buy the aftershave.

- D.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Organization: LLNL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:00:51 GMT

	A curious thought has occurred to me as this Administration
winds down.

	If Dan Quayle was gay, would he be a Twinkie? He has good
looks, but he is rather short of brains. Consider the numerous gaffes
he has made over the years, and his almost singular lack of notable
accomplishments (Barry Goldwater: "Dan who?"), with possible
exceptions being a talent for spouting right-wing ideology and a
hankering for public office. While in the Senate, he performed some
consummate brown-nosing, asking Bush's opinion on various things, and
Bush rewarded him with the Vice Presidency.

	I've ordered back issues of the _Quayle Quarterly_, which goes
into gory detail over his life and career, but the issue I've got
mentions some anecdotes about Marilyn Quayle doing the bulk of the
work in the Quayles' law firm and her complaining that him going to
the gym a lot left her feeling like a "single mother". Quayle also
once stated that he didn't want the Judiciary Committee, since he
didn't want to be involved in issues like abortion and school prayer.

	Even if he is not a Twinkie, he is certainly a male bimbo.
-- 
/Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
/lip@s1.gov