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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: thanks (Re: Jewish friends - help!)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:19:23 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)

In article <1992Aug12.181405.5800@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, saal@cbnewsl (samuel.saal) writes:
>>>2)  Since the watermelon and knife are cold, and watermelon is not
>>>particularly spicy, I don't think this is an issue any way.

>>Cold kelim in general are not a problem, but knives are an exception.

>Could you elaborate?  Sources?  Whyzatso?

That's what I've heard, including the point that not everyone agrees.  One
rabbi, for example, told me that you can use a cold kosher knife on cold,
unspicy treif exactly once.  He'd permit a Haagen-Dasz store with scoop
rinsing, but not a fruit stand.  Solely because a knife is a knife and a
scoop is not a knife.  Others permit fruit stands.  Consult YLOR.  I assume
the guy in the watermelon breaking story was strict on cold treif knives.

Basically, the tiny spaces a serrated blade and the handle/blade joint have
can trap food particles, so knives are (or should be) treated more carefully.
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From: agw@cs.columbia.edu (Art Werschulz)
Subject: Re: Jewish friends - help!
Reply-To: agw@cs.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
	<FAIGIN.92Aug10061740@solarium.aero.org>
	<1992Aug14.181000.28756@tudorct.com>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:23:59 GMT

Hi.

Don't forget that a lot of Pepperidge Farm products have O-U (dairy)
certification.  So does Entenmann's (but I don't know whether they
have a wide geographic distribution).

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From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: The term "galut"
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.182219.26096@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
|> Julian Yudelson,,Rochester, NY Galus

I have a question for the other Orthodox Jews on the Net, particularly those 
residing in Israel.  I often see the term "galut" (galus) used to refer to
Chutz La'Aretz of today, as opposed to Israel of today.  But for those who 
believe in the eventual Messianic era, that term really connotes a time period
- namely, the one beginning with the destruction of the second Temple and still
continuing today - rather than a geographic location. In other words, in the
Orthodox view, we are all still in "galut", no matter where we live.

Shouldn't we use another term to distingush between living inside and outside
the land of Israel of this era?

I mean this as an honest, not a loaded, question.
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From: reiffman@almaak.usc.edu (Allan Reiffman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: info on Hawaii
Date: 19 Aug 1992 07:34:09 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Shalom:

My wife and I will be travelling to Hawaii this weekend - leaving Sunday
morning. Does anyone have any information regarding the availibility
of kosher food, and the locations of minyanim? Can one assume that food
that is OK in the supermarkets in the states (in Southern California) is
OK in Hawaii supermarkets - eg, cereal, cream cheese, etc.

(I hope that I am not to late with this!)

Thanks for any help....

Allan Reiffman
University of Southern California

reiffman@almaak.usc.edu

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From: jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Are there any truly kosher butchers?
Originator: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:33:48 GMT

   A weird thing happened to me when I went to get a chicken yesterday.
   The store owner wouldn't sell it to me until I had told him what
   torah I had learned that day. I told him Pesachin 49b, and so got
   the chicken. Anybody know how this idea is further developed?
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE EAST
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:15:45 GMT
Keywords: ISRAEL CLINTON BOOR ARKIE SLICK-WILLY

In article <1992Aug18.152950.26710@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

>>                          The Bush Record

>>The Bush Adminstration has gravely harmed our relationship with Israel.  It
>>has:

>>    o Pressured Israel to make once sided concessions in the
>>      peace process

>     * Pressured the Arabs to make concessions too.

Other than coming to the peace talks, please name one concession the Arabs
have made.

>>    o Ignored the cruel and crippling economic boycott of
>>      Israel by its Arab neighbors, and disregarded other
>>      roadblocks to peace

>     * The Economic boycott will end once peace is achieved
>       and the Palestinians have their own homeland.

Why should anyone believe this?  After all, the boycott was in place
_before_ 1948 when Israel became a state.
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From: saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen Saroff)
Subject: Re: The term "galut"
Reply-To: saroff@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:30:40 GMT

In article <2445@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
|> In <1992Aug17.171952.6586@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
|> 
|> >In other words, in the Orthodox view, we are all still in "galut", no
|> >matter where we live. 
|> 
|> There's galut and there's galut.
|> 
|> Personally, I say chutz laaretz, except to my friends who used to put
|> "galut" on the letters they sent me from Israel while I was in New
|> York.  Guess where they live now.



My great grand father was not fond of greens.  When served to him (and my
grandmother required he eat them to set a good example for my mother), he
would shake his head and mutter "galus, galus."

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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:28:55 GMT

In article <Bt8qDq.4un@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> ward@sun1.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward) writes:
>In article <57250@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> 
>hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>If every Jew settled in Israel, even kicking out all the goyim in
>>Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank would not be adequate.  The limits
>>are quite real, and we cannot count on manna.
>
>Actually, that is not true.  Some simple calculations will suffice:
>Suppose each individual is housed in a 900 sq. foot apartment, and
>each apartment building is 20 stories.  Both of these are quite
>reasonable.  This would allow the housing of 619520 people in
>one square mile of space (5280 feet per mile yields 27,878,400 square
>feet per square mile; divide by 900 square feet per person, gives 30976
>people per square mile per floor; multiply by 20 floors gives 619520
>people per square mile).  Now, allowing for, say 15 million Jews, would
>require 24.2 square miles of space.  Even if we allow for about a factor
>of 10 for additional space (9000 square feet per person), we still have
>only 242 square miles.  Israel, without including the territories, is
>about 8500 square miles.  I think they could fit.
>
>(Now feeding them is a different problem ...)
>

Another solution is to make a confederation with the Arab countries and 
spread them all over the Arab world.
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 20:00:39 GMT

>>>Well, then, do I, as a Jew, have the right to live in Mecca? Do you think that
>>>I have the right to go up onto the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, into the
>>>Al-Aksa mosque, and worship in my Jewish way?
>
>>>Be honest.
>
>>Well, I will be honest with you. If you tell me as a non-Jew that I am welcome
>>to live anywhere in the World except that I am not allowed to enter a 
>>synagogue or live in a certain area in Jerusalem that is sacred to Jews,
>>I will gladly accept that. Not allowing non-muslims to live in Mecca 
>>or go up onto the Temple Mount is a religious belief. You can do it if
>>you convert to Islam and I think you don't have plans for that. 
>
>Well, I can't fault him for honesty.  He simply avoided the question.
>
>The area called the Holy of Holies in Jerusalem's Temple mount is commonly
>considered to be a place where no Jew can walk for two reasons: because of
>its holiness, and because there is a mosque sitting there!  To say that
>you can't walk there is gratuitous and absolutely absurd.
>
>Further, if you say all ya gotta do is convert to Islam to go to Mecca,
>then all ya gotta do is convert to Judaism live in those areas of
>Jerusalem or to go to a synagogue (I know of plenty of nonJews who have
>gone to synagogues and I'm not even talking about those with
>nonHalachic conversions :-).
>
>In any event, given that none of us are going to convert just so we can
>visit/live somewhere, why not answer the question.  After all, you can
>visit those Jewish Jerusalem neighborhoods; we wouldn't be able to even
>get to Mecca.
>
>Actually, maybe you're right.  Maybe chosing a residential locale is
>not enough of a reason to permit a Halachic conversion.


Well, if you want a direct answer to his question, the answer is no. According
to the Islamic belief, a non-moslem cannot enter Mecca or worship in a moslem
holy place. This is a religious belief and should be respected. I respect 
Jewish and Christian beliefs.
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From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vatican, Israel and Hidden Children
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:08:15 GMT
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"

w2dz@watson.ibm.com (Daniel Zalik) writes:

> Catholicism. In fact, I believe that the Archbishop of Paris was a 
> "hidden child."
> 

 You are right. Cardinal Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, was born from very
religious jewish (polish?) parents. He is a big friend of Israel and a big
fighter against racism. Often he has explained that he is a jew, he feels
proud to be a jew but with Christian religion. I think he converted at the
age of 12 to Catholicism, during the time he was hidden from the Nazis in
a convent. I don't know if his parents survived the war.

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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Etiquette question: bris (sp?)
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:49:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.142203.3036@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.013651.29185@midway.uchicago.edu>
>thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>>In article <1992Aug3.222329.7142@cbnews.cb.att.com>
>>ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

>>>The father is usually offerred the opportunity to perform the bris
>>>himself, but in almost every case, a professional "mohel" will do it.
>>>This is someone who is knowledgable in the Jewish laws concerning
>>>the bris, and -- hopefully -- very experienced.  
>>Nu, how does a mohel become very experienced?
>   Easy, he just has to mull it over...

And I thought he goes to lots of others to get tips from those more
experienced.
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:13:56 GMT

>>>>>In article <-#!nfbp.yosi@netcom.com> yosi@netcom.com (Yosi Almog) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>What about you, do you think there is any importance for a jew to live
>>>>>in Israel?
>>>>
>>>>You are asking the wrong person. However I will be honest with you and tell
>>>>you my opinion. If you ask the question "Does a Jew have the right to live
>>>>in Israel?" I would answer "A Jew have the right to live anywhere in the 
>>>>world and so does anyone else". As far as is it important, I would say I don't
>>>>know simply because I am not a Jew.
>>>
>>>Well, then, do I, as a Jew, have the right to live in Mecca? Do you think that
>>>I have the right to go up onto the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, into the
>>>Al-Aksa mosque, and worship in my Jewish way?
>>>
>>>Be honest.
>>
>>Well, I will be honest with you. If you tell me as a non-Jew that I am welcome
>>to live anywhere in the World except that I am not allowed to enter a 
>>synagogue or live in a certain area in Jerusalem that is sacred to Jews,
>>I will gladly accept that. Not allowing non-muslims to live in Mecca 
>>or go up onto the Temple Mount is a religious belief. You can do it if
>>you convert to Islam and I think you don't have plans for that. 
>
>Can I, then, say that all of Israel is sacred to Jews, and that Muslims
>cannot live there unless they convert to Judaism?
>


Yes you can. Can I in return say that whole Jerusalem is sacred for Islam and
non-Moslems are not allowed into Jerusalem?  
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From: moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Supplemental v Day Schools
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:55:01 GMT

Hillel Markowitz writes:

>I would have to say that based on the people that I have met in
>Baltimore coming in at all levels, Bill is a lot closer to what is
>going on.  Perhaps it is a function of the community, but a number
>of families have moved in and been accepted with open arms.  The
>children in the upper grades have helped tutor those who need it
>and there are shiurim for the parents as well.

I'll confirm the same here in northern New Jersey.



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From: gsm@mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Subject: Re: Refrigerators In "Stranger Among Us" (SPOILER)
Organization: Mendelson Computer Consulting
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:05:49 GMT

schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.173728.25825@rs.com>, horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul24.181630.26105@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> dsg@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.s.green) writes:
>> >
>> >I heard that one of the original suggestions for the title was:
>> >
>> >"Dances With Jews"
>> 
>> No, no; that's:
>> 
>> "Dances with Wolffs"
>
>Anyone for "Fried Green Latkes"?

Yes, but only on St. Patty's day................



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From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: travel to Israel - need advice
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:26:44 GMT

My parents will be visiting Israel in October and they have 
asked me to request some suggestions from  y'all. 

	1.  An inexpensive hotel in Haifa.  They want a private 
            bath and air conditioning .
	   
	2.  A hotel in Tel Aviv by the beach.  Something  modest. 
            Not pricey.  

When my folks go to Europe, they usually stay in Pensiones(sp) but 
always get a private bath.  They are not into glitz and never stay 
at Hilton type places.  They want air conditioning in Israel - my 
dad is always warm  when everyone else is fine - he's 6'2'' and 220 lbs. 
Is air conditioning necessary in October in Israel??

	3.  Inexpensive car rental - is such a thing possible?  
	is it better to arrange it from the states or when they
	get there!

Thank y'all!


	


 


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YOW!
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From: ssteigma@scott.skidmore.edu (stephen steigman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Looking for Universities in Israel...
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:11:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Aug19.181105.23491
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY


Will someone be able to help me with a little request.....

I'm hoping to spend my spring semester of '93 in Israel, and am
currently looking into Universities and colleges in Israel.

I am an Arts Administration major looking for classes in both Music
and Business, but also for classes in Judaic studies, etc.  I do need
though to concentrate on Music and Business.  

I would also be interested in a school which would help me to set up
an internship with an Israeli Orchestra, chamber group, etc.  

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.  Please e-mail to the following address:

ssteigma@skidmore.edu


Thanks in advance....

Stephen Steigman
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From: saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen Saroff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Doing Justly (Was Re: Irony continues in our history)
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:23:40 GMT
Reply-To: saroff@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center

In article <j-4msqf.strnlght@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
|> 
|> Stephen Saroff speaks of doing justly. Since World Jewry isn't doing
|> anything to the Moslems in Bosnia, that positive precept doesn't
|> apply to the situation. Failing to intervene when another country
|> does unjustly does not contravene the requirement to "do justly."

Thus Spake Neville Chamberlin.  

|> 
|> There has also been much back and forth about Croatian cooperation with
|> the Nazis, and much defense of today's Croats as not the same
|> people, not responsible for what their ancestors did, etc. It's been
|> my experience that without massive and dramatic overt public education
|> and opinion campaigns, anti-semitic parents generally teach it to their


I assume all Europeans, from the Urals to the Irish Sea are
anti-semites.  Should we have assisted the Russians in suppressing
Solidarity?  Boundless hatred is very satisfying, we all have it.  But
it isn't right.  Should we wish Croats and Bosnia Muslims to suffer?
(Given your reasoning, with the choice between Greek Orthodox and
Muslim, we should support the Muslims due to history, which makes for
interesting thinking about Lebanon.) 

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From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Is the Hebrew Language a new Language?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:42:53 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

The first thing I want to say is that it is great seeing some people
who are normally such great enemies when it comes to politics,
'sitting down' and discussing something where the argument is so
totally good natured.  *scowl* :-)

In article <22225@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>In article <199208170841.AA17504@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>>
>>  In: <4115@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) comments:
>> >                                                             Golda
I started off by saying what I thought Ben-Gurion's name was before it
was  hebraicised.  According to Paul Johnson ('A History of the Jews',
Perennial Library, New York, 1988, p541) it was originally 'Gruen', or
'Green'.

>> >Myerson=Golda Meir, and Yitzchak Shamir was something else before as
            ^^^^^

According to the same book (idem) Her original first name was 'Goldie'.
Those in charge, taking after Ben Gurion, demanded she also change
this name to 'Zehava' (golden), but she refused, consenting only to changing it
to 'Golda'.
>> >well, but I cannot remember.
>>
>> Golda, quite correct and Shamir's  I cannot remember either, something
>> very Polish starting Zare.. ending "obviously" with a ..ski.
>
>Yezernitsky(sp?)
>--
>Yigal Arens   "He seems like an average type of man.  He's not, like, smart.
>USC/ISI        I'm not trying to bag on him or anything, but he has the same
>arens@isi.edu  mentality I have -- and I'm in the eighth grade."     Vanessa
>               Martinez, after VP Quayle's visit to her school-LA Times 5/21

-Danny Rothenberg