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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Player cut to 40?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:39:27 GMT


According to TSN, Tom benson of the Saints leads a proposal to cut the
player rosters to 40.  He has 17 of the 20 (?) votes that he needs to
make this cut.  This would thoroughly affect the game as we know it,
removing exciting young players and special teamers from the rosters.

What have the owners got to gain?  Why would they do this?  Well, even
though as recently as two years ago they were changing the limits
upward (47+5 practice, 45+2+5 practice, 48 plyers, etc.), the new
spectre of free agency without a leash is looming large before them.
They see that even with salary limits on first year players that the
lack of a salary cap (which is what save basketball from extinction)
and total free agency will drive up player costs enormously.  Even the
owners proposal, which currently sets free agency (total) at 4 years
or less in the league, is unacceptable to the players but would still
mean financial ruin to the league in a short period o ftime.  Revenue
is dropping (due to TV losses), and the owners must control costs some
way. 

How can they get away with this cut to 40.?.  Obviously it would save
them money (5players times the average which will soon rise to almost
a million a year with the free agency clauses) for a while.  How can
they get away with it?  Well, the same Collective Bargaining agreement
which protected the owners with no free agency and the draft being at
12 rounds (it is being suggested to be cut to 2 rounds, and will very
likely be passed that way NOOOO!!!!) is the one that gives the players
job security via large team sizes.  ONce that CBA is voided by the
owneers (it is the defacto rule now), they can cut teams to whatever
size they want.... They players will suffer far more than they will
gain in my opinion.  Besides, the world league plays with only 36 ....

Finally, this will increase parity even more.  Parity is the bane of
the last few years as the AFC has taken the full brunt of it.  No
interesting super bowls and no dominant teams.  Football will never be
the same again....

enjoy!

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From: csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri)
Subject: Re: Why the Jets (addressed to Jets guy)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:42:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.165455.2857@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>This is addressed solely to the Jets guy I have been argueing with.
>
>We have been going back'n'forth about the Jets vs Miami..
>You STILL don't get the point!!!

[blah,blah,blah]

OK..OK..Im getting sick of this subject also..Although is the most Jets stuff
Ive heard on the net since Ive been around..

Concerning O'Brien..Whenever he plays the Phins..He is always up to par
with Marino. Do you remember the 51-45 passfest a few years back?
The best Jet game Ive been to, I cried when I Wesley Walker in the
endzone in OT. Anyway, I digress, I must agree , Ken O'Brien
has disappointed me more than he has impressed me. I hope but do not
think Nagle is the answer to the Jets O problems, but its the second
good thing the Jets have done. The first, of course, was getting
rid of Joe Walton and is stupid-ass affinity for the timing pattern
whenever the O came close to the endzone. I hated that!

Anyway, I love anybody who gives the Jets a good chance in the future.
Its been a long time coming. Each year reading Street&Smiths, each year
stating that the Jets are "rebuilding". Lets hope the building they 
do from now on is building the Jets their own stadium. I find it trite
on how they ornate Giants Stadium in Kelly Green and White and call
the Jets the home team....Blech!

More cvetching later,
Chris Macri
-The only Jet fan to attend the Aug. 10, 1991 preseason game vs. KC at Busch
 stadium, St. Louis MO. Where are you Jet fans?
From: amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bubby getting married
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:45:31 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Did you here the great news.  All you single women start crying.  Bubby is
getting married.  He's marrying Morgana the Kissing Bandit.  Word is she is
pregnant with his love child.  This could be the best thing for his career.  A
little stability could really further his career.  In fact, I think he could
be the next Cunningham or Montana with a wife.  Watch out you top
quarterbacks, cause Bubby is on the loose.
 
-- 
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From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris (SVER))
Subject: Re: Jimmie Johnson to Detroit
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Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:54 EDT  

The story on Detroit and tight ends is (as far as I know) as follows

The Lions hired Dan Henning as offensive coordinator in the off season.
Before his bomb out with San Diego, he was a top notch offensive assistant
with Washington and had a lot to do with designing their offense.  At
least I'm 99% sure it was Washington.  Skins fans?

Anyway, about a month ago I heard Henning say he was going to keep about
half of the Lions 'Silver Stretch' offense and replace the rest.  I
assume the new stuff will be a lot like Washington's offense and will
thus require tight ends.  I'm kinda surprised the Lions signed only one
with all the good ones available on Plan B.  I look for them to take
a TE early in the draft.

However, if Johnson is as bad a blocker as people say, I wonder about
picking him up, since making better use of Sanders has got to be Henning's
first priority and a major reason to use a TE or two.

Ron
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From: ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth)
Subject: 1992 predictions
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:50:09 GMT


AFC East

1> New York Jets  12-4
2> Buffalo Bills  11-5
3> N.E. Patriots   9-7
4> Miami Dolphins  5-11
5> Indy Colts      2-14

AFC Central

1> Houston Oilers 13-3
2> Clevland browns 8-8
3> Cincy Bengals   8-8
4> Pittsburgh      6-10

AFC West

1> Denver Broncos 11-5
2> K.C. Chiefs    10-6
3> S.D. Chargers   9-7
4> L.A. Raiders    7-9
5> Seattle 'hawks  4-12

NFC East

1> Washington     11-5
2> N.Y. Giants    10-6
3> Philly Eagles   9-7
4> Dallas Cowboyz  9-7
5> Phoenix Cards   3-13

NFC Central

1> Detroit Lions  11-5
2> T.B. Bucs       7-9
3> Minn. Vikings   7-9
4> Chic. Bears     6-10
5> Green Bay       4-12

NFC West 

1> S.F. 49ers     11-5
2> Atl. Falcons   10-6
3> N.O. Saints     9-7
4> L.A. Rams       3-13


AFC Playoffs

1st Rd.

K.C. over Buf.
Denver over S.D.

2nd Rd.

Hou. over K.C.
Jets over Den.

Finals

Hou. over Jets

NFC Playoffs

1st Rd.

Atl. over Giants
N.O. over Detroit

2nd Rd.

Atl. over Wash.
S.F. over N.O.

Finals

S.F. over Atl.

Super Bowl

Houston over San Francisco
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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: S.F. and Raiders.....
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:28:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.161414.2881@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un040276@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>     I was wondering, by the way this more from last season, in the hell 
>S.F. got rid of Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott.  I am a S.F. and a Raider fan
>but I thought It was kinda silly to get rid of those two, to me Ronnie is one
>of the best safeties in the NFL and for Roger well he is a great running back.
 
Interesting that several people have used your terminology when
referring to Plan-B.  Trust me when I say this, the owners and the
coaches alike HATE Plan-B, no matter how much some teams have gained
from it (read Redskins here...)

You refer to "got rid of" when in actuality all they did was place RC
and RL on Plan-B.  They (being the 49'ers) that they were in a
rebuilding phase and that the chance of RL and RC leaving the team was
not that high.  RL had just come off a mediocre season and RC was a
bit past his prime according to most analyists.  I believe that the
second fact has borne itself out rather well.

Yes, the 49'ers did get burned by that deal, but they were trying to
rebuild a quickly aging team.  That coupled with the fact that RL had
a VERY high salary made it a business decision that they could afford
to take a chance on losing him more than a young (and read "cheap"
here) player.  I think that the 9'ers were very upset to have lost
both of them, and it did hurt the team in leadership and in depth.
The 9'ers loss was the Raiders gain.  However, if you have the Plan'B
rules, you have to play by them and sometimes you lose the gambles you
take (ie unprotecting them).  So, please don't refer to it as "got rid
of" when refferring to being placed on or lost to Plan B.  It makes a
lot of the talented coaches look like idiots (which they sometimes
are), and that is not usually fair....

*Dallas ice*
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 1st 5draft predictions
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:34:30 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <53910@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, markn@salerno.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass) writes...

>   Here is my guess for how the 1st 5 picks will go in the draft
>[Deletions]
> 
>5.) Green Bay - They need RB, DL, DB, OL
>              Pick    Sean Gilbert DE

So, the Pack needs RBs, DLs, DBs, and OLs, huh?  Not saying this is 
untrue but I was wondering if you could explain why you think the 
Packers need DBs, for instance.  Can you name the starters in the 
secondary for the Packers at the end of last year?  Just testing.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: NFC Rushers
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:02:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.063344.4949@midway.uchicago.edu> bitn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

	[ ... ]

>And what was that post about Thomas going to the Packers ?  Please tell me
>your kidding ...

No, it's true.  And a good deal for both teams.  It will allow the
Bills to more fully utilize Ken Davis and Kiel will strengthen their
third string QB position.  The Packers are overloaded at third string
QB (Majkowski, Tomczak, Favre, Kiel), and needed a good runner.

BTW:  ;-)


-- 
	Stupidity got us into this mess; why can't it get us out?

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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Subject: Re: CHIEFS PREVIEW
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 10:50:54 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <9362@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
>Not with ol' "soaphands" Kreig at quarterback.
>
>Expect to see the ball on the turf at Arrowhead a lot this season.
>
Not the kind of news Chief fans want to hear.  Plus, someone(debk?)
stated that Kreig can throw long, but only to the def.  Looks like
the Chiefs should have kept DeBerg.
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Draft thoughts
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:06:10 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <92107.175749TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu> TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu (Thomas A. Gryn) writes:
>49ers: If they're smart (really smart :) ), they will
>          1) trade QB Steve Young for a veteran or high draft pick
>          2) If they can get a good deal, also trade QB Steve Bono
>          3) draft QB Casey Weldon on the second round.
>I know, this leaves only Montana and Weldon as legit QBs, but I would take thatt
>chance. Bono's value is inflated because of last year's preformance, and Young
>has only a few more good years left (IMHO). Weldon is a Montana clone, and
>that would certainly help the 49ers marketing strategies. With a number of

I don't know about this, although as a Niner hater, i would certainly love
to see it happen! Steve Young was always a guy who I thought was way overrated,
but you can't ignore what he did last year as the starter, he wasn't rated
that highly (NFL QB ratings) for nothing. Young is much better than Bono IMHO,
and with Joe's age and very tenuous health, trading Young and Bono and not 
getting a QB ready to play in exchange would really be a bad choice. I'm 
also not impressed with Weldon, I think the 2 QB's in this draft worth a
serious look are Klingler and Tommy maddox. Klingler could start midway
through his 2nd year if handled correctly, Maddox might take a little longer
since he left so early. Weldon won't be a legit starter IMHO. As a Cardinal
fan with no #1 pick, I'm sort of hoping they might get Maddox in the 3rd 
round, just in case Rosenbach can't make it back(reports are he'll be playing
by the 3rd exhibition game) 
If the Cards took Weldon I would be very disappointed, and Weldon's name has
not been mentioned by the Niners in any local stuff about the Niner's 
draft.




Russ Smith
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From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:17:16 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
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In article <cduP_mq00UhW83UKZi@andrew.cmu.edu>, ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao) writes:
|> The Jets were better, on a Jets vs. Dolphins basis,
|> and better vs. the league.  

The Jets beat the Dolphins twice, but both teams were 8-8 for the
regular season, so the Jets were NOT better vs the league than the
Dolphins.

|> What do impartial fans think?

How can you be an "impartial fan"? Isn't that self-contradictory?

|> King Yao                       

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			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
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From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: It is Over....
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:42:48 GMT

In article <29710029@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>when a player has had as many injuries as Joe has 
>>had, I would have quit a long time ago.
>
>That's why he's a Hall of Fame QB and you're spouting over the net
>like the rest of us Monday morning QBs.  To be honest, I'm a little
>worried about Joe myself this year 'cause there's no doubt opposing
>rushers will be coming at him HARD (which is why the '9ers *really*
>need a good RB).  But Joe is obviously not cut from the same cloth as
>the rest of us - witness his comeback from supposedly career-ending
>back surgery in '86.  He came back the *same season* - and threw
>3 TDs in his first game back.  Then he went on to surpass his already
>great career in the '87 - '89 seasons.
>
>It may take a Theisman-type injury to get Joe to hang up the spikes
>for good.  Not a pretty thought, but that's the kind of guts it takes
>to do what he has done.
>
It is not a question of guts.  It is a question of intelligence.
I am an avid 49er fan.  But i do think it is time for Joe to hang it up.
Elbow surgery, back surgery, and now knee surgery.  The guy has had
a great career, but I think he should start thinking about life after
football.  Isn't Theisman cripled now.  Are you saying Joe should play
until he sustains permenant injury?  Niners in 92.  Go Steve Young.



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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
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Subject: Re: Packer Fan Rule #1 (was Re: Packer Fan Rule #2)
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:40:33 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University


  No, the Packer fan should hate the general managers more than the Bears.

  I don't think the Bears are stupid enough to waste valuable picks!!!

  But, I say the Packers COULD win the division in a couple of years.

  Now, wouldn't that be great? (cliche)


delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


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From: apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T. Steegman)
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Subject: Re: Jets, blah blah blah
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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	I guess all this debate over who is better between the Jets and
'Phins is more or less useless.  The Bills are not going to collapse this
year.  They may not go 13-3, but they will win the division and get home
field throughout the playoffs.  I'm sure the 'Phins will only be a game
or two behind though.  Coslet is no Don Shula. Get that strait. Again,
Coslet is no Don Shula.  Geez, the Jets have one slightly above mediocre
season and everyone has them wearing the ring next year.  They will be
lucky to beat out the Pats this year, much less the 'Phins or Bills.  With
the outlawing of chop blocking, Coslet has no way of running the ball against
any half decent defence.  Toon is on his way out (though I have always liked
him, he seemed only to play hard on occasion last year) and Moore cant do it
all himself.  Look for Miami to get the wild card, then watch them come to
Buffalo in January and lose big.

Tom Steegmann
Bills in 93, Cause I'm not getting any younger!
apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BUBBY BRISTER RUMORED TO BE TRADED
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:38:43 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr05.215859.8255@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
> The Brown and White out of Bethlehem reported in their weekly sports column
> that Bubby Brister will be traded sometime this week for Jeff George and wide
> receiver Billy Brooks.  Anyone else hear of this?
> -- 

Not a chance!  Marchibroda wouldn't do a fool thing like that!  Why trade a
guy with no-talent and a bad attitude for a young talented clean slate with
a good work ethic, who has worked with the personel there?
I would give 0 credibility to the report.  

>                TONY, TONY, TONY
>                BROADHEAD 312
>                758-1378

Brian Mulholland
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Subject: Re: CHIEFS PREVIEW
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 08:38:59 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <1992Apr8.201926.17618@u.washington.edu>, dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault) writes:
>Behind a legiatimate offensive line, with a couple good quick recievers
>and a major running game Kreig is going to have <10 fumbles, pass for
>3000 yards have ~25-30 tds and <20 ints. The Chiefs will probably win the
>division and possibly have the best record in the AFC. With the balance
>coming in the AFC East and the inconsistency in the Central and the
>downturn of some of the AFC West teams, 12-4 could be the best in the
>AFC this year, and KC has a great shot at it.
>
From: gc4403@col.hp.com (George Castaneda)
>         Kreig (sp) is not the answer!!!!

Okay, so, what is the answer?   I'm not sure what to make of Kreig.  
Some folks seem to think that Kreig isn't it.  Now Dan, thinks he 
might be.  Is the net just as confused by Kreig as I am getting to
be?
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From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: News from the Bay Area (No not *that* Bay Area - Green Bay!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:36:43 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

John G Heim:
 
I'm a Bears fan, so I admit I'm a biased fan, but do you really think that Majik is the Packers man? There was talk when he tried to come back last year that he may have been a one season wonder. And of course you have Tomczak, who will most likely have a brillant pre-season, just to confuse things. But, let me tell you this...DON'T BE FOOLED! Tomczak is brilliant only when he is fighting to get the starting job. Once he has it, he will choke. I'll be curious to see if Majik can be a decent QB this year. I

 kinda think he may be on the backside of his career. We'll see.
From: mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: APOLOGY: WRONG INFO ON BUBBY TRADE
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:07:12 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>>  to me that Bubby will not be going to the Colts.  Instead, he is going to th
e
>>   Eagles for Jim McMahon and safety Andre Waters.  Expect the deal to be
>>   completed over the weekend.  Bubby was complaining about not starting in
>>   Pittsburgh, he'll never see the light of day in Philly.
>   --
>       This doesn't seem possible!  Trading such a no-talent QB for
>two proven NFL players!  This seems like an impossibly stupid trade
>from both sides:
>       Philadelphea needs someone reliable and proven to back up
>Cunningham, that much was proven last year.  What do they want
>Brister for?  From what I saw, he didn't prove himself with the
>Steelers.  And even if THAT made sense, why give up TWO proven veteran
>players for anything less than a top rated player?
>       Pittsburgh needs anything but an old QB with only a couple
>years of life left in him.  McMahon is tough, but not tough enough to
>stand for a whole year behind Pittsburgh's Offensive Line.  Who was
>Brister's backup?  What could these two teams be thinking?
*
>Christian Day

Gimme a break ! Did you really think the original posting was serious ?

BTW , I heard  Bubby Brister was being traded for Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas!

Kassu
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