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From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What makes a boat a better pointer ??
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:21:21 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <26138@oasys.dt.navy.mil> hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners) writes:

>In rec.boats, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>>In <9210071606.AA28435@ssd.comm.mot.com> krueger@COMM.MOT.COM (Kevin Krueger) w
>>rites:
>>
>>My fastest log readings come on dead run, because I have been able
>>to carry a once reefed main in 48 nots of wind, surfing for really
>	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>long periods more than 15 knots.  .....
>>
>>Hope you ger the general idea.
>>
>>- Lauri Tarkkonen

>The idea I get is absolute terror!  I presume you only ventured your
>#2, Lauri?

>-- Bob


I had torn my jib and taken it down, and because I was singlehanded
I did not bother to hoist any other foresail. So the only sail I had
was the once reefed main. I was considerin to take in another reef,
but on the run the apparent wind is not that bad, and had only less
than 10 nautical miles to my destination, where I could drop the main
in the lee of a high island, I continued as it was.

It is pity that when the weather would carry you to new speed records, 
you start to think how to reduce the sail and how to get into some 
shelter. :-).

- Lauri
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:24:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Knots
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare) writes:


    The method as 'discovered' by me is configured slightly differently than the
    diagrams in the previous post. After some considerable searching, I *did* find
    a description in Ashley of 'my' method of tying the knot. If pressured, I will
    try and cobble up some ascii diagrams showing how to tie.

    Roger Hare.

Go ahead, Roger.  Make our day.  It'll be a lot nicer than listening
to people flame the motorboaters.

B.S!
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From: danmc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (daniel.c.mckibben)
Subject: Re: Info wanted on Cascade 36
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:52:59 GMT
Keywords: Sail, value, hull

Alan Yelvington mentioned buying a boat to as a better use of dollars than
paying rent.  I have literally bought into this myself. I won't claim that I am
building great equity, but the money that previously went to my ?*&%(&#&^!!
landlord is now going into my favorite toy and a great lifestyle.  It is 
also a LOT cheaper to buy a boat than a house, assuming you buy a moderately
priced boat.  Owning a boat does cost a lot of money, but it is much easier
to afford when it's your home also.  If I was still living in lawn land (on
shore) there is no chance I'd even have a boat half the size of mine, or 
that I would have purchased the items that make cruising safe and comfortable.

Owning a liveaboard is not an investment, but a means to having a great quality
of life.

Dan McKibben           "Wachusett"      Bay Head, NJ

life
From: root@logiconultra.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Testing -- Sorry
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:32:48 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Logicon_Ultrasystems
Originator: root@stealth.logiconultra.com

This is only a test
From: karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing in Colorado?
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:37:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1bfq61INNm9l@agate.berkeley.edu> kevang@ocf.berkeley.edu (kevan G) writes:
>
>Hi there all.  I am thinking about moving to Colorado (Boulder) and
>I need to know if there is any good lake sailing in the area.  Any
>racing?  Sailing clubs?  Water at all?
>
>Any help will be greatly, well, helpful  ;^}
>
>Kevan

Isn't that where the railboat is, due to lack of water?  Oops, no that was
Montana.  A very fun idea, though.

Karina
From: george@mech.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: looking for a formula for computing tides.
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:41:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Mechanical Engineering


:
:Also I remember seeing a clock that didn't keep track of the hours but kept
:track of the tides. If anyone either has these items or knows where I might
:find them please drop me a line.
:

i've seen floating about a ( cheap ) lcd watch that tracks the tide.
--
  /   george jefferson
\/ *  george@mech.seas.upenn.edu
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From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lake Powell
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:23:12 GMT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Organization: Utah State University

In article <6140075@hplsla.hp.com>, thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey) writes:
|>Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0-3 14/03/90 VAX/VMS V5.4; site cc.usu.edu
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|>Newsgroups: rec.boats
|>Subject: Re: Lake Powell
|>Message-ID: <6140075@hplsla.hp.com>
|>From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
|>Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:36:23 GMT-0:09
|>References: <1992Oct5.120234.5128@dbsun.uucp>
|>Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
|>Lines: 11
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|>
|>
|>
|>       Keep in mind that Lake Powell is about 300 miles past NOWHERE!
|>It will take an extra week for you to drive there and back, and unless
|>you fly a small plane that can carry your family and a week's worth of
|>groceries, you will have to carry all your provisions with you.

A bit of an exageration.  Access to the lake by road is done at Wahweap
on the south, Bullfrog in the middle, and Hite at the North.  each of these
is less than three hours from I80 where provisions are available.  The lake
is ~six hours from Salt Lake City, ~two hours from Saint George, and less
than one hour from Paige Az. each of which have an airport and shopping.
If you can travel by car do it there is a lot to see.  There is access to
the lake from Arizona as well and may be better if you are going to
Wahweap.

|>Make up a menu ahead of time, and try to stick to items that don't spoil
|>easily.  Bring about twice as much to drink as you think you'll need.

I agree.  You can buy supplies at the lake but you will pay a premium.  I used
a bag of ice a day for my cooler this summer.  I would take three times as
much to drink as you think you will need.  In the summer you can drink
one to one and one half gallons of liquids a day.  Don't forget the sunscreen.
Spf 15 or better and lots of it.
--
Hal Lynch

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	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Backing up
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:47:45 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine

keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:
> Turning in one direction worked fine, turning the other direction did not.
> In fact, the boat kept turning in the original direction despite havning
> the tiller pushed all the way to the other side.
> [...]
> One of the guys in the marina said that was normal, that sailboats seem
> to back in one direction better than the other.

	I assume you're talking about under motor!  I'll admit I don't fully
understand the physics behind it, but a prop, in addition to providing
thrust along its axis (forward or reverse), also provides some sideways
force which tends to make the boat turn in one direction.  It's for exactly
this reason that boats that have two props usually have them counter-
rotating (i.e. turning in opposite directions); the two props generate a
sideways force in opposite directions, so they cancel out.

	Anyway, this is usually worse in reverse than in forward, again for
reasons I don't fully understand.  Part of the problem seems to be that in
order to cancel out the sideways force in forward, props on sailboats are
often set slightly off-center, or canted off to one side.  The problem with
this is that it exacerbates the problem in reverse.  I guess they figure
that you spend 99+% of your motoring time in forward, so they should
optimize it for that.  I think the problem tends to be worse in sailboats
than in powerboats, but I'm not sure why; it might have something to do with
the fact that sailboats tend to have slow-turning props.

	BTW, having your tiller pushed all the way over to one side probably
didn't help any; there reaches a point where the rudder is so far over that
it stalls, i.e. there is no longer smooth water flow over it.  Once that
happens, it's just providing drag and very little turning force.
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From: wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT)
Subject: Questions about Bytes
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Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:20:00 GMT

I'm going to be in the market for a new boat when (and if) I graduate in a few
months.  I'm leaning towards a Laser, but I am also considering a Byte.

I'm the sort of person who could benefit from the Byte's smaller sail area.
I weigh only 120 lbs. and have a hard time keeping a Laser level.  I was
sailing one today in 15 mph winds, and I was having a very tough time.

How does the Byte compare with a Laser radial rig?  I'm hesitant to get the
Laser radial rig because I figure I'll be mostly be sailing against kids (and
probably getting beaten by them too).

On the other hand, I would be hesitant to buy a Byte because it is a new class
and isn't nearly as well established as the Laser class is.  You can find a
group of Lasers on just about any lake in the country.  I would be interested
in knowing how fast the Byte class is growing and where the fleets are located.

The Byte has one definite advantage over the Laser.  At the Houston Boat Show
this year, the Byte was being sold for $2000, about $500 less than the Laser.

I'd appreciate any information or comments on the Byte.  

Thanks.

Kent Leverich
WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
Texas A&M University
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From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Knot/Log Meters and Speed
Date: 15 Oct 1992 15:53 PDT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
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In article <1bkf05INN5s@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM writes...
> 
>After all of these years, I have finally installed a "real" know/log meter
>on my boat.  Now I have a problem that I never anticipated; the meter seems
>to read faster on starboard tack than it does on port tack.  I thought at 
>first that I was doing something wrong (sail trim, steering, who knows what) 
>on port tack that was making me slower, and I am still not absolutely sure 
>....

I have an old Seafarer MHD log. Originally it had 2 transducers, one each 
side, with a pendulum switch. Both transducers failed, but I was too mean to 
replace both, so I removed the switch. If I am really well heeled (which 
takes a lot of wind in my boat...) the transducer can come out of the water 
on one tack. I don't sail seriously enough for this to bother me. I 
calibrated the one I have against my Loran while motoring.

just making it up as I go along ... the keel acts as a hydrofoil when you are 
close-hauled, generating lift to stop you moving sideways. I *think* that 
means that there is greater pressure on the leeward side of the keel, and 
that the water on the windward side moves faster, from what I remember about 
airfoils (yes, I know water isn't compressible, and I've probably got it all 
wrong...)

Anyway, perhaps you could get a pendulum switch.

--
 Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jadams@vixen.uucp (22475-adams)
Subject: Re: what is colregs?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:35:18 GMT
Summary: An attempt at defining colregs

In article <92288.122504ATLEM@ASUACAD.BITNET>, <ATLEM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
> That is the question? I see many  references to Colregs in this
> group. I can see it involves rules and regualtions. Is it
>  group like USYR or a book or a short word for a long title?

While I'm a little rusty on the exact expansion of the acronym, it expands into
something like:  Regulations for the prevention of Collisions at Sea.

It is a set of rules established by the Maritime Nations (Virtually any nation who
participates in commercial marine activities) under the auspices of the United
Nations.  The common date for these rules is 1972 and it relflects that date that
the set of rules were adopted by all member nations.  It is interesting to note
that these rules are for "open" seas only, where open seas are those waters beyond
what are known as the COLREGs demarcation lines (Those strange little purple lines
drawn across most harbors, ports, bays, etc. on most navigation charts).  In the
US, as in most other nations, we have two sets of rules to operate under:  Inside
the COLREGs lines, we use the "INLAND" rules while outside we use the COLREGs.
These rules are fundamentally similar except in the sections dealing with signals
and lighting of vessels.  Part of the drill in sitting for the Coast Guard
Captain's licenses is to memorize both sets of rules concentrating on those areas
where inland and colregs differ.

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From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:13:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Lake Powell
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch) writes:

    weather and water:
      spring: warm (60's - low 80s') days, cool (50's - 60's)nights, cool to
              cold water
      summer: HOT (high 90's - low 100's) days, warm (70's) nights,
              warm water.
      fall:   hot days (high 80's low 90's), nights (60's 70'), warm water.

      Since Lake Powell is in a desert humidity is not a problem ( < 20% ).

      In late summer and fall there tend to be thunder storms but the clouds 
      and rain are a welcome respite from the sun and heat and seldom last
      long.

But these statistics don't quite tell it all.  *It can, and often
does, blow like hell there*

Long time since I was at Powell but I remember my wife and I sitting
in a tent holding our kids' heads under wet towels so that they would
not breath in all the sand and dust.  Couldn't go outside--with all
that sand blasting by you'd have needed a new paint job.  It lasted
two days and then the weather was wonderful for our third, and last
day.

I remember seeing among the weather statistics a chart of which were
the windiest months.  I seem to recall that the spring and early
summer months were worst.  You can probably get that information from
the park authorities.  Despite all that, its a marvellous place and we
have had great times there too.

B.S!
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Rigging Lasers and Bytes
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:39:15 GMT

In article <3060045@otter.hpl.hp.com> cgr@otter.hpl.hp.com (Chris Romans) writes:
>In rec.boats, mike@mote.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Friedrich) writes:
>
>> Our sailing club just got 2 Bytes, which are very similar to the Laser, but
>> smaller and more maneuverable.  In either of these boats, what's the best
>> way to rig it?  I do it by rigging the spars and sail, including the boom,
>> on the dock and then pushing the whole thing into the hull.  Others first
>> push the mast with sail into the hull, then connect the boom, but I find it
>> difficult to tighten the outhaul with the sail whipping around in the wind.
>
>
>I sail a laser and always put the mast in the boat first before
>connecting the boom. When it's windy, force 5+, it's enough of a problem
>just getting the mast in without having the sail and boom rigged adding
>to the windage. As for tightening the outhaul, tie the outhaul to the
>eye on the end of the boom, then feed it through the sail and then back
>through the eye before leading it to the cleat which gives you extra
>purchase, and you should have no problem tightening it. You may have a
>problem feeding the outhaul through the sail if it's windy and the
>sail's blowing around but just grab the sail and tuck it under your arm
>while you connect the outhaul. 

By the way, when carrying a sleeve-luff sail with its mast (especially)
or any mast, in a good wind, be sure to lean the mast into the wind.
The wind will help support it where you want it, instead of trying to
break your back as it blows over center.
 
Greg
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From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: GPS
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:59:10 GMT

[RE: GPS selective availability]

In article <Bvx3Mz.5n7@kings.demon.co.uk> lls@kings.demon.co.uk (Lady Lodge Systems) writes:
>Why on earth (or in orbit :-) did they implement it in the first place?
>I don't believe that the KGB can't steal the plans/parts/complete sets
>for the military (P Channel?) GPS units so who are the DOD trying to
>screw up?

As I understand it (from an article in a magazine, don't recall where), they
are trying to make it less usefull to low-tech terrorists etc.
Probably futile in the long run.  Pressure from the commercial sector
combined with "hacks" that increase the accuracy will probably get rid
of it (SA) eventually IMHO.

Don



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From: erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Nav lights for a sailboat (WAS: Nav lights quiz)
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:25:56 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <7OCT199200153914@reg.triumf.ca>,
advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:

|> .... and a strange arrangement that I have 
|> never seen, for sailboats uner 20m, consisting of red, green and sternlights 
|> together with a masthead all-round red over all-round green.

I have International colregs (with amendments in force from Nov 1989) in
the office with me, and a slightly more up-to-date version at home.  All
the arrangements of lights that people in this thread have suggested are
permitted, are in fact explicitly described and permitted.  They aren't
local variations.  The all-round red-over-green at the masttop is
allowed for all sailing vessels of any length.  You are only likely to
see it on large vessels. 

Incidentally, I have seen several books which purport to explain
ColRegs, or help you to learn them, which use the phrase "right of way
vessel".  ColRegs never mention right of way, as far as I can see.  The
nearest they get is the phrase "stand on vessel" (they also use "give
way vessel").  "Right of way" seems to be a misleading phrase in this
context.  I am wondering how the phrase got into use.  Was it used in
older ColRegs? Is it in the racing rules? Or is it just used as a
(loose) analogy?

    John Wexler
    Edinburgh
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: dingy bottoms
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:35:06 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:

>EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
>>1.  Drip detergent into the water just in front of the bow.  Based on
>>my (recent) experiments in the bathtub, this might leave a film of detergent
>>on the surface of the water long enough for the boat to sail over it and
>>get some benifit.

This has been tried -- I think by DC when he was sailing Tempests in
the 70's. As Roy points out, it led to the following rule:

>	IYRU rule 63(a) says, "A yacht shall not eject or release from a
>container any sustance (such as polymer), the purpose of which is, or could
>be, to reduce the fircitional resistance of her surface by altering the
>character of the flow of water inside the boundary layer.

Besides, every regatta I've been to in the last 5 years provides that
any yacht emitting anything into the water (presumably, urine is
excepted by Fundamental Rule A ...) will be immediately scored DFL for
every race in the regatta....

>	Rule 63(b) also prohibits "specially textured hull surfaces".  I'm
>not 100% sure what they're getting at, but I suspect that what David Spencer
>suggested, i.e. making the middle third of his bottom rough to induce
>non-laminar flow, would be illegal.

I doubt that anyone would apply this to anything that could be done
with wet&dry. It was originally intended to apply to some special
laminates that (I think) DC put on an America's Cup boat.

I'd like to think that spending a few days with #400 is "specially
textured", just to help my ego, but I hope nobody would try to apply
63(b) to _that_.

The first time I heard the "leave it rough" theory was to justify
washing only the front and rear thirds of the boat, and letting the
green scunge build up in the middle third. Gleah.

dhs    spencer@panix.com
"There is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth
          doing as simply messing around in boats"
              _The Wind in the Willows_
From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Help in choosing a VHF radio
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:02 PDT
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Oct15.222423.1008@alc.com>, ballard@alc.com (Carl Ballard) writes...
>these features, however.  Also, unless you plan international trips (e.g., to
>Canada) paying for the international channels is not worth much.  Note
>carefully that some of the U.S> channels (e.g., 22A) are not legal in Canada.  

Some of the "A" channels are not legal in Canada, but 22A is legal - it is used
for communications between Coast Guard and "customers", as in the U.S.
> 
>I have used ham rigs with controls on the mic. They're not really so hot.  They
>get in the way.

I have found the mic. controls a problem too.

>I have a cockpit speaker (on my Catalina 30) and I'm pleased with it.  There is
>no way to hear my radio (mounted at the nav station) in the cockpit uless the
>engine is off and there is little wind

I hav often wondered why so many sailboats have the radio hidden away, out of
reach and hearing of the cockpit.  I have mine mounted to the deckhead on one
side of the companionway - out of the weather but easily usable from the
cockpit. (This is particularly important to me, since I normally single-hand)

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Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)
From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Nonsuch
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:00:12 EDT
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: world
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078
Content-Type: Text

Is there any newsfeeds out there related to rec.boats.nonsuch, do you
Nonsuch Owners have such a group going.

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