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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: San Jose Golf Clubs
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:50:01 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu
Keywords: San Jose golf

In article <1993Jan11.131455@cobra.calgary.chevron.com> vstem@cobra.calgary.chevron.com (D. Stewart McLeod) writes:
>A friend from work is going down to San Jose for a CISCO router course
>and is interested in playing a little golf while he is down there.
>
>Can someone please send me email (vstem@calgary.chevron.com) about the
>type of courses. He would like to play at least one good quality course
>and some municipal course (save $$).

There is a nice muni down there in Carmel called Pebble Beach.
With green fees a mere $200, it is still a relative bargin.
Not only do you get to play a very nice course, but you also get 
to hit as many range balls as you want.

Seriously, there is a real bargin muni in the Monterrey area
call the Old Del Monte Muni (I think).  It might be a bit of drive 
from San Jose, but well worth it.

>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>-- 
>D. Stew McLeod                                Internet: vstem@calgary.chevron.com
>CPTC                                             Tel: (403) 234-5810
>500, Fifth Ave. S.W.                              Fax: (403) 234-5215
>Calgary, Alberta, Canada   T2P 0L7 
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From: brandt@oclc.org (Dave S. Brandt)
Subject: re: Tempo
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:16:51 GMT



You will see great tempo in practice swings. I am told I have a good looking practice swing but when I hit the ball it is a different motion. Some of the best advice I got was "let the ball get in the way of the practice swing". Now my tempo has improved 100% and the result is self explanitory.

....golf ya later
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Looks like Rome, NY
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:58:23 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>FROM:   Isaac Kim <kim@guppy.uucp>
>
>In article <2935474631.0.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:>>DATE:   7 Jan 93 02:51:49 GMT
>>
>>leg in a cart.  We finished in 3:15.  I obeyed all the rules, and 
>>nobody bothered me at all.  It can be done.
>>
>
>I also obey all the rules I can (except for replacing stroke-and-distance
>with 2 strokes), but unfortunately, I normally play at a heavily-played 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
provisional.  Treating trees or humongous rough as hazards also is one 
way to speed play on public courses and still stay within the rules.  

[By that I meant the golf course itself putting out stakes, red paint...not 
just deciding to play that way.]

-jim


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:09:23 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

>Walter Hagen (the guy who put professional golfers on the
>map) may have been a drinker, but he didn't bring a jerk
>attitude and a million jerk fans to the game with him.

In those days there weren't a "million" fans to bring to the game.

Every decade of golf has brought a different type of fan.  Arnie's army
was famous for throwing his ball back onto the green if he hit a shot
in the "army".  Other fans and golfers of that decade thought this was
a terrible thing to do, however, golf survived and so did Arnie.

>Daly's style and his contingent detract from the game for
>every other player and every fan of any other player.

Daly's style is unique, each of us are unique, we need to carry our
uniqueness everywhere we go, yes, even to the PGA Tour (now I'll never
qualify!...sorry Mr. Beaman...NOT!)

>Golf was fine without the yahoos who think "oh, cool, let's
>go show these golf guys how to have fun."  It's less fun
>with their insipid, loud, distracting attitudes towards the
>players and other fans.

Golf was also fine without the legions of yuppies that took it up 10 yrs.
ago too.  Golf was also fine without the tight-assed country clubbers that
think the game is only for them and their closest ass-licking associates.

The thing to remember is that golf always was and always will be an
individual sport.  Be yourself, play the game and if God willing you make
it to a position that John Daly got himself into, I hope you are a stonger
individual, because the pressure will crack most folks.  Give the guy some
credit and some respect, he has done more, seen more and been through more
than most of you will go through in a lifetime.

Give'em hell John!  And get back to your game, it's one in a million!

Mark

--
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From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Walter Hagen (Was RE: John Daly)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 20:20:20 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <IfHM0s200WBNQ16XNG@andrew.cmu.edu> ds2i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Donald Smith) writes:
>
>Personally not caring one way or the other about John Daly, I haven't
>been reading the great bulk of comments.  However, it seems that the
>legendary Walter Hagen has been compared to the current golf/pop icon.
>This is a grave injustice indeed.  Hagen was a far superior player, the
>tour's most dapper player, and a great ambassador of the game.  He may
>have been a drinker and a womanizer, but this was back in "the good ole
>days" when to be so was politically correct.  

This is strange indeed, saying that womanizing is okay at the  right
time in history, as is drinking.  What a sliding scale of morality you
must keep so that history looks good in retrospect.  Try this argument
of yours on some of your female friends.

The actual reference to Hagen was in reference to a "never had any
drunks on tour" paraphrase, which is blatently untrue.  

Of course, nobody in this group has mentioned Thunder Tommy Bolt, who
was renown for his totally bad temper, but great shots, similar to
what John Daly is known for today.

As for John Daly, I hope he recovers from his problem.  If not, then
like many a drunk, we will all just lament what might have been.

=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott					mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
A golfer for 30 years				Now a 3 Handicapper
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf Etiquette Part 1/5
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:46:10 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

Sorry for that double post.  It wasn't even worth
correcting Jim the first time.

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: quodling@stimpy.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Comments about Ping Zings?
Organization: SPR Alpha Migration Centre
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:05:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.055558.2251@netcom.com>, bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas) writes:
> Anyone have anything good to say about Pinz Zings? I have two
> broken old irons and I plan on eventually replacing all of
> them. I can get them at discount for $60 a piece. Are they
> worth it?
> 
At $60 a club, go for it. I thought I was getting a top price, straight from a
Ping area sales rep for $75/club. (This was in Boston, not Sydney).
-- 
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From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:59:47 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <726679614@potomac.cs.duke.edu> jdd@duke.cs.duke.edu (John Dengler) writes:
>Some stimulating commentary from a previous post concerning John Daly:

I'm sure your software provides a perfectly good system for
correctly attributing quotations; please use it.

>>Up yours, boyo.  My mind's about as narrow as my shot dispersal.
>>He's just a jerk.
>>He can take Musberger with him when he goes.  We need
>>an ignoramus even less than we need a jerk.
>>Pure, grade-Z, sun-dried manure.
>>Fuck off, boy.
>>You're just a moron with a keyboard, from all we can tell.

>These statements have indeed enlightened me, Blair.  Your comments were
>not only mature and controlled, but also profound.  If John Daly were in
>on this argument he probably would have just reeled off abusive,
>abrasive and childish obscenities and insults.  What a jerk!  Let's do
>away with those Daly types.  Intelligent and non-combative adults (like
>you and me) have no need for them.

This is my favorite part of the net.

People who don't understand the poetry of bathos.

Makes me feel like Einstein at times.

				--Blair
				  "If you want the bridge-club tea,
				   you know where to find it."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: brandt@oclc.org (Dave S. Brandt)
Subject: Test
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:54:02 GMT

Just a test.
From: mcclean@ucs.ubc.ca (John McClean)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Accuform blades
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:06:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: flair.law.ubc.ca

I have got a friend who has a set of new 1992 Accuform blades
which he is willing to sell to me relatively cheaply. I don't
know anything about them. I hit them on the range and liked
them but have not taken them on the course yet.

Does anyone out there play these clubs, and if so what do
you think of them?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:59:00 GMT

In article <C0Fq3H.6nE@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott) writes:
>In article <N4HY.92Dec31101433@wahoo.UUCP> n4hy@wahoo.UUCP (Bob McGwier) writes:
>... stuff deleted ...
>
>So, as for me, I am hoping Big John gets back soon.  I know the public
>wants him to and will forgive him.  Everyone has problems; now at least
>John's are out in the open.  If he succeeds, he could really do some good
>like Magic can for aids.
>
>=====================================================================
>Thomas J. Scott					mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

Magic did *help* AIDS by spreading it for who knows how long. It's
possible that he infected between 0 up to 100 ? women considering his
sexual prowess.

I wonder how many times John has beat his wife?

I also would like to see him get the treatment and stop his behaviour.

Mike N.

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From: <KENNADY@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: PowerBuilt clubs forsale
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:15:12 GMT

I have 3-PW grand slam irons and 1-3-5 TPS metal woods and a bag forsale
I have used the clubs only one season and they are in great condition
All the clubs have steel shafts execpt the driver, which has a true temper
Modulaus 45" graphite shaft

$275 delivered UPS in US

RESPOND TO KENNADY@PURCCVM.BITNET
From: mahoney@cs.utexas.edu (J. Jeff Mahoney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:32:51 -0600
Organization: Just Do It Society
NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan6.231616.19992@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer) writes:
>
>
>ANY length putts should be shown on golf. No gimmes! Give me a break. Talk to
>Scott Hoch about two foot putts. I just saw Freddie Couples miss a couple of
>two footers for some real money the other week.
>
>

Gimmes??  Who can forget Bernard Langer's two foot putt in last year's
RYDER CUP.  The entire CUP rode on his making a two-footer (or less).
The pressure was unbelievable, and yes.......he missed it.  IMHO one of
the most exciting moments in golf.

-- 
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From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:37:18 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <C0HJFH.14o@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott) writes:
>In article <1ifrlmINN4k@chnews.intel.com> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>>We don't need this in golf; never have; never will.
>
>I guess Walter Hagen and the old guys never had problems with the booze,
>or does your golf memory not go back far enough.  

Walter Hagen (the guy who put professional golfers on the
map) may have been a drinker, but he didn't bring a jerk
attitude and a million jerk fans to the game with him.

Daly's style and his contingent detract from the game for
every other player and every fan of any other player.

Golf was fine without the yahoos who think "oh, cool, let's
go show these golf guys how to have fun."  It's less fun
with their insipid, loud, distracting attitudes towards the
players and other fans.

				--Blair
				  "Pass me my mashie."
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From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:48:11 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>FROM:   Bob McGwier <n4hy@harder.UUCP>
>
>In article <2935516447.6.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com
>>> writes:
>>>I also agree that they show way too many short putts.
>
>>I think it's purely a logistical thing.
>
>I could not disagree more.  Anyone watching Azinger miss two short putts and
>it be the cause of his loss (I attribute the other stroke to loss of
>confidence) in the Tournament of Champions knows the importance of making
>every stroke count until it is in the hole.
>
>BMc

And miss it, and miss it again, and miss it in slow motion, and 
miss it as we go to commercial break, and miss it during the recap,
and miss it no less than ten times.  Couldn't we have seen Chip Beck hit
just one shot instead?  And miss it again on the evening 
news and god knows how many times on CNN.

Did anybody notice that no matter what a player did on a hole (eagle, 
double bogie, whatever), as he tapped in, Brent would say, "So X will 
STAY at [whatever the new number] under par."  Jim Kelly used to drive 
me apoplectic, Jay Randolf thinks Arnold Palmer should show him more
more respect during the interview, but how in god's name can you assign 
Brent Musberger to announce golf?  Who's bright idea was this?  Was there 
a bribe involved?  Nepotism?  Blackmail?  Corporate takeover?  How can he 
possibly be announcing golf at all, much less the Masters? Why not
Don Rickles?  

-jim
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:15:17 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <2935516447.6.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
>I also agree that they show way too many short putts.

I think it's purely a logistical thing.

When there's a lull the director is more likely to find a
person putting than anything else, and once he's on a shot
he has to stick with it until the payoff (he might be able
to cut away if the player stands up to line it up again,
but that's a payoff in itself).

				--Blair
				  "Okay, today we show nothing but
				   fat women and blowing leaves."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: pazur@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (scott.m.pazur)
Subject: Atlanta area golf (public) anyone?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:01:20 GMT

I'm relocating to the Atlanta area, Alpharetta to be exact (30 min. north) and
need some golf course suggestions.  My wife and daughter won't be joining me
for at least a month or two, leaving me with plenty of time for golf, weather
permitting.  Problem is, I have no idea what is in the area in the way of
public courses.  Any help would be appreciated!
From: vstem@cobra.calgary.chevron.com (D. Stewart McLeod)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: San Jose Golf Clubs
Keywords: San Jose golf
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:14:55 GMT
Organization: chevron

A friend from work is going down to San Jose for a CISCO router course
and is interested in playing a little golf while he is down there.

Can someone please send me email (vstem@calgary.chevron.com) about the
type of courses. He would like to play at least one good quality course
and some municipal course (save $$).

Thanks in advance.

-- 
D. Stew McLeod                                Internet: vstem@calgary.chevron.com
CPTC					          Tel: (403) 234-5810
500, Fifth Ave. S.W.                              Fax: (403) 234-5215
Calgary, Alberta, Canada   T2P 0L7
From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Date: 9 Jan 1993 08:52:34 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

>>ANY length putts should be shown on golf. No gimmes! Give me a break. Talk to
>>Scott Hoch about two foot putts. I just saw Freddie Couples miss a couple of
>>two footers for some real money the other week.
>
>Gimmes??  Who can forget Bernard Langer's two foot putt in last year's
>RYDER CUP.  The entire CUP rode on his making a two-footer (or less).
>The pressure was unbelievable, and yes.......he missed it.  IMHO one of
>the most exciting moments in golf.
>
These radical examples are closing moments, mostly. Surely, you watch
for these.  But watching four minutes of 2 footers on the 12th hole is
not exciting at all.  I am not talking about putting them out; of
course, that is the game.  What I am talking about is TV time wasted
with lots of putts.

Finally, Langer's putt was not a two footer; it was more like a five
footer.  And of course, since the Ryder Cup depended on it, it was
really worth the watching, just to see if ole BL could stand the gaff
for all the money, which he couldn't.  The sad thing for BL is that he
made as good a putt as possible not to make it.  If he had left it
short, or missed it by 2 inches, we could have said choke.  But, as it
was, he hit it nearly where he wanted to; it just did not go in.

=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott					mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
A golfer for 30 years				Now a 3 Handicapper
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas)
Subject: Re: Comments about Ping Zings?
Keywords: golf, ping
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:57:59 GMT

mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier) writes:
>First question: Where can you get them for $60?
>-- 
A family member belongs to a small country club, where if he
pays an extra $7.00 per month he can get all items in the pro
shop at cost plus 5%-7%. It's a good deal.

-- 
Brian Cherkas     * *    bcherkas@netcom.com
                   I   
AOL/BrianC22      \_/    compuserve/71251,3253
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:28:08 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

>In article <2935516447.6.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com
>>> writes:
>>>I also agree that they show way too many short putts.
>>I think it's purely a logistical thing.
>
>I could not disagree more.  Anyone watching Azinger miss two short putts and
>it be the cause of his loss (I attribute the other stroke to loss of
>confidence) in the Tournament of Champions knows the importance of making
>every stroke count until it is in the hole.
>
>BMc

I hope you really enjoyed that telecast, in which over two days you got
to see the same putt missed 10 times.  IN fact, he tied M. O'Meara for 
third place, 3 shots behind, and not two.  Also, O'Meara hit a shot only
pros can hit, holing a bunker shot from wet sand to a downhill green.
We saw this wonderful shot only once, or maybe twice.  I guess guys like
you enjoy poor shots that all duffers can identify with rather than
great shots that duffers dream about.  Surely based on the amount of
coverage, that was the case with the televised C of C coverage.

=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott					mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
A golfer for 30 years				Now a 3 Handicapper

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: doing@brahms.udel.edu (David Allen Doing)
Subject: john daly rippers!
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:12:05 GMT

Come on people, give John Daly a break!  At least he has the ability to
try to solve his drinking problem.  If you think that he is the only
golfer to have ever had a drinking problem, take a hard look at some of
the tour stars today (i.e. Greg Norman, Ian Woosnam)  They too can get
mighty tanked after a tournament, but I don't see you complaining about
them.  Give the guy a break.  If you were in his position, you'd expect
the same, after all he's only human like you and me (although I am making
quite an assumption about you!!)
-- 
#####  David A. Doing  #################  University of Delaware  ########
#####  doing@brahms.udel.edu  ##########  dbq49459@udelvm.udel.edu #######
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%%%%%%%%%%It wasn't me, I didn't do it. Nobody saw me.......%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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From: varma@athena.cs.uga.edu (Pratim Varma)
Subject: PGA TOUR GOLF
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:48:05 GMT

	I was wondering if someone can really help me out. I have seemed to lostmy length codes for PGA TOUR GOLF for the IBM. I don't know if I can live 
without this game(I'm not that bad off!). But if someone out there does have 
these codes could you please send me just one of the course codes, because I
don't really feel like spending $40  more for a new package.
					Thanks,
					      Tim Varma


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: Tempo
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:46:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.141651.16660@oclc.org> brandt@oclc.org (Dave S. Brandt) wr
ites:
>
>
>You will see great tempo in practice swings. I am told I have a good looking p
ractice swing but when I hit the ball it is a different motion. Some of the bes
t advice I got was "let the ball get in the way of the practice swing". Now my
tempo has improved 100% and the result is self explanitory.
>
>....golf ya later

Yeah, I agree. That's why I usually don't take a practice swing. I "just hit 
it!"

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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481
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