From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals anywhere are wrong
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:29:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Keywords: read the bible for goodness sakes.

Steve.Gross@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Gross) writes:

Steve...let me change your words slightly....

>All of you who think that homosexuals in the congregation, or in the
>ministry, or anywhere else for that matter are  in need of some serious
>bible time.

All of you who think that sinners in the congregation, or in the ministry,
or anywhere else for that matter are in need of some serious bible time.

>I am not a homophobe, but the bible clearly and unerringly points out that
>homosexual activities are WRONG.  Jesus died for all men's sins, yes, but
>that is not to say that he died to be made a fool of.  God has NEVER let
>the sins of man go by.  Jesus loves everyone, no doubt, but that does not
>mean that he is going to let  one group  get away with something while
>chastising all the others.

I am not a sinner, but the bible clearly and unerringly points out that 
sinful activities are WRONG.  etc... You get the point, right?

>If jesus were to love and forgive homosexuals as a group, why not
>murderers and adulterers?  Why not fornicators, and rapists.  God does not
>look at a single group of humans, he looks at all humanity.  When he made
>his sacrifice, he made it for all.  A homosexual will not desire to be one
>of the elect, because sin rules his or her life.  Anyone who says they are
>a homosexual but at the same time are a true christian is a liar.  One can
>only serve one master.  Jesus Christ, or the flesh.
Hmm...he does forgive murderers and adulterers.  I seem to recall a certain
adulteress and a thief on the cross.  As for being a homosexual, there is
NO condemnation of homosexual orientation.  At best, you might make a case 
that homosexual activity is wrong, as it is outside of marriage.  But that
put it in the same class as fornication.  Can a fornicator be forgiven?

Have you never sinned?  If you think not, remember the following:

[I John 1, NIV]

   "(8)If we claim to be without sin, we decieve ourselves, and the truth
    is not in us.  (9)If we confess our sins, he [God] is faithful and just
    and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. (10)If
    we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word
    has no place in our lives."

Also, please remember the following admonition from Jesus:

[John 8, NIV]

    "(7)...'If any of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a
     stone at her.'"

And of course, the following:

[Matthew 7, NIV]

    "(1)Do not judge, or you too will be judged.  (2)For in the same way
     you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use,
     it will be measured to you.  (3)Why do you look at the speck of
     sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in 
     your own eye?  (4)How can you say to your brother 'Let me take the
     speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your
     own eye.  (5)You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye,
     and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's
     eye."

>I am not a writer, so my opinions and statements may not be as eloquent as
>some  others, for that I apologize.  I prefer all flames and comments to
>come to my box so that all do not have to suffer with my arguments. 
>Unless, of course it is one that the group would find beneficial.

As a final comment, here's something for you to remember:

[John 6, NIV]

    "(40)For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and 
     believs in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the
     last day."

 -Steve
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