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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest Results
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:11:17 GMT

Daniel Connelly (djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU) writes:

> The results of the World Championships are as follows

> 20. Engleman 		6:36:36
> 21. Chiappucci

What a pity Engleman doesn't ride a European schedule. He's one of our 
finest racers.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: bugno wins the World Championship for the second time!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:26:43 GMT

For those of you interested in how Lance Armstrong did in the Worlds,
according to the LA Times (Mon Sep 7), he was in the chase for the road
race win when a bystander "jumped into his path to snap a photograph,
causing Armstrong to crash" nine laps into the race.


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From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Abdu?
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:31:37 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <BuF6II.IoG@fc.hp.com> koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:
>Anybody know what ever happened to Abdujaparov (sp?)
>
>He came out of the woodwork, established himself as probably the world's
>best sprinter for a year or so, but now it seems like he's faded back
>into the woodwork again.  I didn't see any news of him in the last TdF
>or other major stage races.  Is he still around?

Oh, he is still about.  He rode in this year's Tour of Italy but
retired due to illness.  He also started in this year's Tour de France
but was eliminated for being outside the time limit on one of the
mountainous stages.  This is always a risk with heavily built
sprinters, often if they don't win one or more of the early flat stages
you may never hear from them.  When he was in his prime, Freddy
Maertens (**) could dominate the early stages of a Tour de France and
retain the yellow jersey.  However he climbed as though he was pushing
a barrel uphill, so would promptly loose the jersey as soon the stages
started going uphill.  After that, he would be going for the sprinter's
jersey.

(**) Has anyone read Maertens' autobiography, "Fall from Grace", that
     I've seen advertised.  Is it any good ?

That was a few years ago, things are now a good deal more competitive.
With the constant attacking on the early stages of the Tour de France
this year, it seldom came down to a bunch sprint.  Certainly Mario
Cippolini retired in disgust at this even thought he had won several
stages in the Tour of Italy.  Now he hasn't been heard of since then,
as far as I know.

The last I heard of Djamolidin Abduzhaparov was when he rode in the
Kellogg's Tour of Britain in mid-August.  He won stage 3 (Middlesbrough
to Humberside), outsprinting Johan Museeuw and Olaf Ludwig.  He
finished fifth on stage 4 (Lincoln to Coventry).  A late breakaway just
kept their distance for long enough to hold off the recognised
sprinters.

Riders such as Djamolidin Abduzhaparov are seldom in contention for
overall honours.  Their skills are far more specialised.  You aren't
likely to hear about them unless they win a stage or so in a race.
Sometime they are victims of their own success and reputations.  A
breakaway containing a recognised sprinter may not work too well.  The
other riders may decide there is little point in labouring for the
probable success of another.  Unless there are other non-conflicting
gains, such as moving up in overall classification, to be made.
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
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From: ozalp@cs.unibo.it (Ozalp Babaoglu)
Subject: Re: CIPPOLINI: They seek him here...they seek him there...
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Bologna, Italy
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.092745.8826@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Does anyone know the whereabouts of Mauro Cippolini? If so, contact the MG-GB

it is mario cipollini, not mauro cippolini.  look for him in tomorrows
paris-bruxelles race.  he will be there along with most of the other big
sprinters (bontempi, sciandri, ballerini, ludwig, abdujaparov, maasen).
-- 
Ozalp Babaoglu					E-mail:	ozalp@dm.unibo.it
University of Bologna, Dept. of Mathematics
Piazza di Porta S. Donato, 5			TEL:	+39 51 354430
40127 Bologna  (ITALY)				FAX:	+39 51 354490
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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: word perfect to take over buckler team
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:04:54 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


-- 
In article <1992Sep11.142856.16806@ncs.com>, dick@ncs.com writes:
|> In article <05N803.Q7f=C00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> machina@uts.amdahl.com (Miguel A. Ramirez) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep10.221435.9620@cs.cornell.edu> ozalp@cs.cornell.edu (Ozalp Babaoglu) writes:
|> >
|> >Does "El Raul's" signing with Festina mark the end of PDM? Is Breukink
|> >still with PDM?  Sad how what was once considered the top pro-team on earth
|> >has quitely disbanded. 
|> >-- 
|> >Miguel A. Ramirez, | machina@uts.amdahl.com | {sun,uunet}!amdahl!machina
|> >
|> 
|> Not so sad or suprising, when you consider all of the drug scandals 
|> surrounding the team.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> Dick Anderson
|> Minneapolis
|> 

the "scandals" were purely a figment of imagination of the french cycling
reporters obligingly followed and blown up by the american press.
its the scarcity of wins this season that did in pdm. too bad that
dutch follow the french and the belgians with fewer teams. on the other
hand, if the belgians, french and dutch do well in italy and spain,
as merckx, de vlaemink, maartens did in the 70's, we may see some
sponsors coming back.

aaron
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From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: womens 1-4
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:57:13 GMT

>From: <MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
>Date: 10-SEP-1992 19:08:46
>Description: womens 1-4
>
>this is just to see if anyone else shares my thoughts, feelings, whatever.  I'm
>a woman racer in pennsylvania.  i've been riding for 3 years, racing for 2, and
> i'm a cat 3.  i'm really tired of going to big races and sitting on the start
>line next to olympians, betsy king, you know, really good people.  especially i
>rritating, i think, is the fact that half the time, the men's 3-4 race is short
>er than my race-but then most races are too short for everyone, so . . .  anywa
>y, why can't women be placed within their category?  we could all start at the
>same time and then be placed according to category.  I've raced mountain bike r
>aces this way and it works out fine, so what the heck's the problem.  I know so
>me of you guys out there are going to go "yeah, waaah, waah, women are always c
>omplaining," but think about it-would cat 4 men and cat 1 men ever race togethe
>r?  no way.  so, any thoughts, comments, etc.?      Maria Conchita at PSU

Up here in New England the problem is the number of women that show 
up to race.  A bike race requires at least 20 or so competitors to 
be called a race.  From a promoter's standpoint, fields of less than
50 or so are probably going to lose money.  I just put on a race where
we had a 1,2,3 women's field and a 4, public field.  Only 7 women
showed up for the 123 race.  It was really disapointing and expensive.
We probably took a $500 loss in the women's races.  If you want to 
improve things, I would suggest that you try to recruit more 
women racers and get the ones that do race to go to races every 
weekend like most of the serious men's 3's and 4's do.  Some other
ideas I will suggest to my district rep for the next year
are to find a sponsor for the district for women's races,  someone 
that will put up a few thousand dollars to be distributed between 
several races for prize money.  Another idea is to have women's races 
only one day on each weekend.  This will encourage all the 
women to go there making the field a bit bigger.  If women want to race 
both days of the weekend, they can ride the men's race one day.  Frankly, I 
think it would be good for more women to ride with the men as all the big 
women's races seem to turn into crash fests because many women have little 
practice riding in big packs.
Good luck in changing things.
Paul Stek
stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:43:38 GMT

Tom Kunich wrote:
> Shimano controls 80% of the componentd market according to
> the several magazine articles recently. That is proof positive that
> they are proving a significant product to their customers.

Alex Miller responds:
>Exactly!  Shimano must be doing something that bicycle companies like.
>Their customers are Bianchi, Bridgestone, Peugot, Schwinn, Trek, etc....

Both wrong.  Shimano has some good components, but they reportedly
parlay this into a virtual monopoly by refusing to sell to original
equipment manufacturers who do not use ALL their components.  Thus
smaller manufacturers and specialists are frozen out.

[Followups to rec.bicycles.marketplace.]

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
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From: RADDAMSW@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Yet another headset question
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:39:17 GMT
 <truesdel-100992092634@cider.ics.uci.edu> <PHILG.92Sep10163337@zug.ai.mit.edu>
Organization: University of Liverpool

In article <PHILG.92Sep10163337@zug.ai.mit.edu>, philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip
Greenspun) says:
>
>Thus, here I have a bike fresh from a "tune-up" and whenever I ride it
>over a bump or bounce it on the ground there is a rattle from the
>headset.  Does this mean I have to take the headset apart and repack
>the bearings or can I just tighten the moby nut on top?
>

      Ok. get the bike and stand it up. Grab the front brake and lock the front
whell. Now rock the bike back and forth. If the forks rattle then all you need
do is tighten the top race down and lock it up using the top lock nut.

How 'trashed' was the bike. Bent frame, or just wheels and components etc.
Sounds like (from the sand & rain in Egypt bit) you may be better in the long
run getting a new bike, but then I've not seen this one, so I can't really
comment.;o)

Steve JW. (MadBritishMountainBikerAndMaterialsScientist)

-Faster and faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death..
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From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: 1992 Specialized Allez
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:20:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <92255.125047TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>I read the data on the 92' Allez in Bicycling Mag. this month and was very
>glad to see a comeback of a great bike, maybe even greater!  Does anybody
>own one and can give me an honest report!
>
>                                         Tom


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From: djv@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: MTB frame advice sought...
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:18:38 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University



I would like to hear some opinions on a few MTB frames I am looking at.


Trek 8500:
 -New but a year old
 -7000 series aluminum
 -$450 with frame, fork, and headset

GT Psyclone:
 -Brand new
 -6061 Aluminum
 -$450 with frame and fork

Cannondale M 3.0
 -1993 model
 -I think 6000 series aluminum
 -$350 with frame and fork (trade-in gets an additional $50 off)

Anyone in net-land have any experience with any or all of these bikes?  Are
these prices reasonable?  Perhaps someone out there has one they want to sell
me...

Dave Van Tol
117 ASB
State College, PA 16804
(814)863-3214

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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: : Do frames wear out?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:37:47 GMT

I think this silliness about steel "getting softer" comes from a number
of misperceptions and misunderstandings.
 
People "know" that car springs get softer over time and need to be
replaced. They don't, of course, but they do deform. Being preloaded
when they collapse they effect is as if they had softened.
 
And we all know that the pros get new frames every year because the old
ones get soft...whereas it's a little more reasonable to assume that
they get new bikes because it's easier than replacing every part on
a frame with new, unworn parts, stripping the frame, doing Zyglo,
Magniflux and x-ray checks for cracks and broken welds and joints,
and repainting the frame. Especially if your frames and gruppos
are supplied by sponsors, eh?
 
                 --mike
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From: alexande@genghis.borland.com (Mark Alexander)
Subject: Re: Helmets?
Originator: alexande@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.205438.25772@genghis.borland.com> alexande@genghis.borland.com (Mark Alexander) writes:
>that the helmet saved me from devasatingly serious brain damage.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
I meant "devastatingly", of course.  That brain injury was acting up again :-)
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Re: : Do frames wear out?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:27:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <45250001@hpmwgde2.sr.hp.com> budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren) writes:
>
>I have the more cynical view that they get new frames every year because
>the bike manufacturers want the pros to be seen on their latest, hottest,
>most expensive frames.  Same for the parts manufacturers.  Pro racing is
>an advertising showcase.

What is so cynical about this? I can't see anything wrong with manufacturers
wishing to advertise their latest and greatest.

Let's face it, there is so little difference between all of the bicycle
and accessory manufacturers that the only hope they have of achieving
greater market share is through clever advertising.

And we ought to be glad because without this support there would be 
fewer products on the market for us to enjoy.
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Tire cuts: When is too bad?
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:37:46 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep7.145027.24829@midway.uchicago.edu>, hrad@ellis.uchicago.edu (Vince) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.044450.27631@shearson.com> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:
>>
>>With about 100 miles on a pair of brand new Michelin Super Comp HD's
>>I got a nasty flat the other day that left a battle scar on my rear
>>tire. The cut is about 1/3" long and runs across the business side of
>>the tire perpendicular to the direction of travel. It went all the way
>>through, cleanly.
>>
>>I keep my tires at 110psi. Should I worry about a blowout with this tire?
>>Am I being a worry wart? 
>>
>>MJ

	This has happened to me a couple of times,  and all I did was buy
a new tyre each time.  But speaking to a local cycle mechanic recently he said
that you only had to treat the cut like a normal puncture,  only one you seal
from the inside.  He also said that when applying the glue to the tyre,  to use
two layers before patching.  I've done this on three tyres that were otherwise
o.k.,  and have no problems at all.  Now I've got 2-3years of training tyres
in storage! 
	
	jonathan.

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From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: HEADSETS - stack ht, diameter
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:37:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.095418.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu> ross@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
>	I need to replace the headset on my Specialized Hard Rock bicycle.
  Good luck.  Specialized is well known for using "non-standard" forks back
then.  Look at your bike carefully and decide what you want to do.  Like mine
it is probably heavy and if you use 2" tires there will be _no_ clearance.
  Pull the fork off the bike and use a micrometer/calipers to measure the
diamters of the fork and the headtube.  Unfortunately I don't remember what
was non-standard about the ones that they were using.

>	- Ordering a new headset.  I would like to buy a decent sealed
>bearing headset to replace the piece of crap headset that the bike came
  There are no sealed headsets that I am aware of.  But any good headset
will probably be better than the cheap steel thing that came on the bike.

  About cutting the fork down if the stack hight is too high. No problem. I
did that when I built my Klein.  Make sure that your cut is good and debur
the edges to make sure that it does not cut into the stem.


>	- Tools.  How many, what type of tools are needed to remove the old
>headset.  I know I have to remove the stem (no problem) and then loosen the
  Well you could do it the low-tech way.  Some wooden dowels, blocks of wood
and a small hammer with lots of time.  Or you could make yourself a puller.
If you can machine the parts it is easy enough to make one but its probably
a lot faster to carefully push them out with a hammer and dowel or hammer
and slot screwdriver on the outside.
  - Eric 
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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: repainting (?) Rock Shox magnesium
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:24:44 GMT

josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:
>Does anyone have any good suggestions on what paint or
>other protection to put on the magnesium bottoms of the
>new Rock Shox when the factory coating is scraped off?
>Magnesium corrodes something awful, if I remember
>correctly, and almost nothing on a mountain bike keeps its
>factory finish for long.  Am I worrying about nothing just
>because they cost so much?
Maybe you should check with the Klein people.  They repaint a rock shox fork to
go on some of their mountain bikes.
-Terry
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: 1992 Specialized Allez
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:50:47 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I read the data on the 92' Allez in Bicycling Mag. this month and was very
glad to see a comeback of a great bike, maybe even greater!  Does anybody
own one and can give me an honest report!

                                         Tom
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From: dkw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Wittenberg)
Subject: Re: drum brakes
Organization: Brandeis University Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:11:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.160637.23085@colorado.edu>, doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight) writes:
|> If "integral function" means that the two brakes are operated with one
|> control then I don't want it!
|> 
|> It is really important to have independent control of the brakes.

I agree, but many tandem riders have two brake levers for three
brakes.  Some put both rear brakes on one lever, others put both
caliper brakes on both levers.  I haven't seen anyone with the rear
drum and the front caliper on one lever, but I'm sure someone's crazy
enough to do it.

|> The drum brake on my tandem was only useful when the bike had steel rims
|> and poor braking in the wet. I could be wrong but i don't think drum brakes
|> are used very much on tandems now. Mine is 60 years old. 
|> Douglas

Drum brakes are used on a lot of tandems (I think most).  The caliper
(rim) brakes have enough power to stop a tandem, but can overheat the
rims on long steep downhills leading to various catastrophic failures.
The one I saw involved blowing out the tire.  I'm told that you can
also melt the brake pads.

So, we use a drum (or  sometimes a disk) as a drogue on down hills.
The drum isn't powerful enough to stop the bike, but you can dissapate
a lot of energy in it.  Whether or not a drum is needed can be a
religous argument.  

--David Wittenberg
From: broadley@lrdc5 (Bill Broadley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Great MTB's MB-0/1
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:08:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I would like to start a discusion about GREAT MTB's especially the MB-0 and
MB-1, which have my vote.

First I'll descript the two bikes in hopes of starting a discussion.

MB-1 Lugged Steel frame of Ritchey logic tubes, not oversize.
Xc-pro drivetrain, Diacomp 987 brakes, Ritchy crank + fork, and unknown hubs.

MB-0 Tig welded Steel frame of Ritchey Logic tubes, not oversize.
Xc-pro drivetrain, 986 brakes, Mavic Crank and hubs. (24.5 lbs)

The most interesting thing about the bikes (IMHO)
	No oversize anything. (fine with me, MTB are supposed to flex)
	No Greasegaurd hubs (seems strange )
	No strange cabling (along top tube etc, shorter cables/casing)
	No microdrive drive train. (for longer durability)

Not using grease gaurd hubs really surprised me.  The Mavic crank looks
very unusal.  The inner ring (think a 24) is very thick, i.e. it forms
a very close seal around the BB, i.e. distance from the teeth to the
inside of the ring is over 1", and the space between the inside of the
inner ring and the BB is like 1/4".   

Any ideas why this is?  
	To help with chain suck?  (Doesn't look like it would help?)
	To help stiffen the aluminum chain ring?  (Why not make it steel?)
	To be trendy and make the product different (Hope not).

Was are the advantages of lugs vs TIG???

In general both bikes look like my dream machines, any discussion 
of any of their features welcome.  Hopefully this will start a discussion
of the Ideal MTB.
--
Broadley@Neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu

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