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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Underground City Near Cadiz.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 14:24:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: The Underground City Near Cadiz.
  I have been asked to put down some information about the city that is 
underground just outside of Barstow and Needles, Calif. 
  Many years ago I communicated by letter to an ex-service man in San Diego, 
Calif. by the name of Earl Gambrel. I can speak freely of him because both 
he and his wife are now dead. He was in World War II and told me about a 
time when he was sleeping in his camper beside the left hand side of the 
road about 5 miles outside of Barstow about one half mile over towards the 
railroad tracks. While he was in his pickup camper asleep he was transported 
by a space craft over 40 miles and put down in an area just 2 miles NW of 
Bonanza Springs which is about 13 miles from Cadiz, Calif. This area was 
just south of the Clipper Mountains.  His camper was put down in an area 
that didn't have any roads going to the spot and he even had to get out and 
move large stones so he could get his truck out of the area. He finally made 
it back to San Diego but it took him quite a while to recover his health. 
  After that time he started to communicate with the people in the UFOs by 
ESP. They directed him back out into the area and he walked over in the 
Clipper Mountain area to a place where he found a cave or tunnel entrance 
into the ground in the side of a hill.  The area is near the same spot where 
you can see a needle (an area where the earth makes a sort of a natural 
bridge that you can walk through like you see in some other states except 
this one is just big enough for a normal person to walk through). There is 
also a mountain peak in the area that looks like it has a black stone 
railroad car on top of it.  As he walked into this cave he noticed that it 
went down at about a 30 degree angle. After quite a while he came into a 
city with houses and street. About the only thing of value was that in some 
of the houses there were stones of a high grade of crystal nearly as large 
and as pretty as diamonds. He felt that these cystals were made in the same 
was as the Jewels of the Gods as the American Indians of the area call the 
cystals that are found in the ground when a space craft comes over a piece 
of land, discharges it's electricity into the ground, heating up the soil 
and thus forming a sort of jewel from the heated soil and rock.  The Indians 
of the region value them very much.
  After coming out of the area he found out that another person had found the 
area and had told the world about it and he was killed. The story then gets 
pretty far out by warning about what would happens to people who go into the 
area but I didn't put much value in that part of the thing
End Part 1..
End Part 1.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,rec.music.newage
From: ds567664@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Douglas Satterfield)
Subject: Micheal Brooks?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:55:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

     Is anyone out there familiar with the CD "Colbalt Blue" by Micheal
     Brooks?  CD Review just gave it the Best New Age CD of the year award,
     is it as good as they say it is? Any feedback would be appreciated.

       Thanks

       Doug 
Xref: sparky talk.religion.newage:5912 alt.alien.visitors:9385 sci.skeptic:21663
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 15:47:25 EST
From: <PANDRZEJ@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Tunnels #1.
 <71604@cup.portal.com> <1992Dec20.164537.26091@sctc.com>

I just acquired access to this news group. I find it quite interesting, but
I am amazed at some of the outlandishly preposterous claims made my John
Winston. My conclusion is that he is attempting to discredit this news group.
He must be CIA. ;-)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: tucker@maestro.mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: Re: taking too long
Keywords: Re: taking too long
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:53:00 GMT



You jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE) included:


ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.235255.95@ids.net> geoffbe@ids.net writes:
>>
>>  [ wishes deleted]
>>
>>	why don't I get to see!
>>why doesn't anything happen to me!
>>	go to the grounding ceremonies... I didn't feel it!
>>come on come on!
>>something has got to happen, past life regression, heal a child inside...
>>something... ANYTHING!
>>
>>No more cop outs, I'm not looking for new friends or cool parties.. I want the
>>goods. 
>>
>         I know this feeling.  Me too!
>

and then you (Jeffrey Chance) wrote:

No expectation, no frustration.
I read in a biography that John Lennon once locked himself in
a bathroom for a lengthy period of time, screaming out "Jesus,
if you exist reveal yourself to me right now!" It didn't happen.

Everybody's different. Some people have natural psychic abilities
that make it easier for them to have such experiences. Others
don't and would have to practice and develop these abilities
over time (a lot of time for many people). But most of these
things offer temporary fascination, not fulfillment. The only
thing that really matters is attuning oneself with one's own
divine qualities inside. This is available to anyone who has
a sincere commitment to inner development and who practices
meditation regularly.  .... all IMHO

Jeff


I (William Tucker) would like to add:

An important thing that newbies might like to know is that belief is
not a prerequisite to having any of these experiences. Practice at 
certain meditative or perceptual techniques will just about guarantee
results. Understanding is required in that you have to pay attention
to what is occuring and adjust yourself to best advantage. You could
even say a hundred hail marys a get results IF you paid attention to 
how you felt, the sound of your voice, the emotional response of YOU
to your own voice, awareness of your posture, breathing, ALL AT THE
SAME TIME. You must be present to get results.

Wm T.


ps. Sort of reminds me of the Zen story of the rich kid who wanted to 
    be a swordsman approaching the master and asking him how long it
    would take to become a master swordsman, "30 years" replied the
    master. The kid freaked out and said "What if I work night and day,
    and train twice as hard as the others?" "A hundred years" replied the 
    master. There's more to the story, perhaps someone else will continue
    it.


.standard disclaimer
From: waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: preparing for the changes
Date: 27 Dec 92 14:54:21 GMT
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Dec27.042900.2531@merrimack.edu>, 
   nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf) writes:
> I was wondering what you all are doing to prepare for physical survival during
> the earth changes.
> -- 

I am trying to remember to keep that inner communication open by "meditating"
regularly.

Some years ago at an Eckankar semenar in Atlanta a fellow Eckist was walking
by a contruction site near the convention center.  The plywood wall 
surrounding the contruction came right up to the sidewalk where they were
walking.  They got the "urge" to cross the street and did so just in time
to miss being crushed as a cable on some scaffolding snapped.  The scaffolding
swung down right were they would have been if they had continued.  I have
known Christians who have had similar near misses by listening to that inner
voice.

Edgar Cayce had advised people to meditate so that their body could be 
"spiritualized", thereby enabling it to survive the earth's transformation.

Either way I think meditating is the single most important preparation for 
the coming earth changes. 

-- 

Have fun!

   =-Kathy->                                   waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:25:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: Oh yea I did make it back from Death Valley in one piece.
John Winston.
Xref: sparky talk.religion.newage:5939 alt.alien.visitors:9420 alt.religion.kibology:5558
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Desert.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 06:30:18 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Lord willing and if the creek don't rise, I'm going to the desert for 
a few days.
John Winston.
From: 00gwmichelin@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Christianity and Newage
Summary: GET YOUR BIBLE STRAIGHT
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:21:34 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <99yewB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Robert Hay) writes:
> It seems a little ironic that so few people read the Bible and yet call 
> themselves Christian.  I am not trying to moralize anyone here, however 
> it is very intresting that people seem to have all the answers and be 
> right about them,,, I find it hard to understand how people can go to 
> church and listen to the watered down speeches or sermons, and accept 
> that it is the truth.  Luke 18:1 - clearly shows Jesus regressing into 
> past lives.  

  Luke 18:1---"Now He was telling them a parable tp show that at all times they
ought to pray and not to lose heart..."
I DO NOT SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE.

>Look it up.  There are other comments about  past lives 
> through out the bible. 
> Luke 6:32 states that the kingdom of God is within you.  

 Luke 6:32---"And if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? 
For even sinners love those who love them."
ROBERT, I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE READING OUT OF THE SAME WORD OF GOD THE REST OF
US ARE?

> How many Christians can contest this statement.  I have come to notice that the 
> main stream churches have failed to deal with these issues and are 
> teaching doctrine  which is not exactly true and does not lead one to  
> higher life.  
> 
> when we die our heaven or hell, is made up of our experiences and 
> knowldedge and love we have here on earth.  We are sent back to learn 
> again and again, we have to start evolving beyound our present form in 
> large numbers as the earth is quickly dying due to the amount of 
> evoulution enterining into the human arena.
> 
> I wonder if people pay attention to the inner and outer teachings in the 
> bible? 
> 
> 
WHICH god ARE CALLING BLESSING FROM.  ALSO NOTICE THE ROOT WORD OF THE HOLIDAY
YOU ARE ENJOYING IS THE VERY NAME OF OUR KING--THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
> God Bless you all and have a Merry Christmas.
> 
> Robert Hay              rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: tucker@maestro.mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: Re: Historical Evidence of Krishna?
Keywords: Re: Historical Evidence of Krishna?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:03:36 GMT



You (Len Moskowitz) wrote:

  I find wonderfully amusing parallels between John Emery's posts and
  Kalki's.  Which of these religions is the real one-way-to-God, as both
  of their proponents argue?

  -- 
  Len Moskowitz
  moskowit@panix.com



I (William Tucker) agree:

I would love to see John Emory and Kalki Dasa debate each other on the 
relative merits of their saviors. I would hazard a guess though that each 
is loathe to endure from another what they so freely give. Also I think 
they probably recognize in each other the immovable object tendancy.


Wm T.

.standard disclaimer
Xref: sparky talk.religion.newage:5890 alt.alien.visitors:9347 alt.religion.kibology:5513
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:30:56 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: All I have to say is you people had better quite telling
the truth or your gonna get in trouble.
John Winston.
Xref: sparky talk.religion.newage:5967 alt.alien.visitors:9471 sci.skeptic:21838
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: He's Back.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:17:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I'm back from my trip to Death Valley. I had a wonderful
time. 
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Historical Evidence of Krishna?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:19:03 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1Xk3VB1w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
writes:

>jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE) writes:
>Whoever said this was mistaken. Krishna is not human at all, though He
>has a human-like form (or more properly, humans have a Krishna-like
>form).
> ...
>The Bhagavata Purana -- a.k.a Srimad Bhagavatam --describes the advent
>of Lord Krishna in detail. He made His appearance in the city of Mathura
>as the son of Devaki and Vasudeva. He was raised in the forest of
>Vrindavana by His foster parents Nanda and Yasoda. Upon reaching youth,
>He moved to the city of Dvaraka, where He acted as the leader of the
>Yadu Dynasty.
>
>It is important to understand that since Krishna is God, the events of
>His life on earth are not ordinary. He is not "born" like a human being
>is born, nor does He "grow up" like a human being. These are all
>transcendental pastimes enacted by the Supreme Lord to please His
>devotees. Krishna made His appearance in the womb of Devaki like an
>ordinary child, but at that time He also manifested Himself in His
>four-armed form as Vishnu, Narayana, something no human being can do.
>When He was only a small child by human standards, He lifted an entire
>mountain and held it in the air for a week on the tip of His finger.

I find wonderfully amusing parallels between John Emery's posts and
Kalki's.  Which of these religions is the real one-way-to-God, as both
of their proponents argue?

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
From: nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: preparing for the changes
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:29:00 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

I was wondering what you all are doing to prepare for physical survival during
the earth changes.
-- 
 Andy Harrington                      | nin15b63@merrimack.edu
 Computer Geek                        | aharrington@ldbvax.lotus.com
 Merrimack College, North Andover, MA | I'm too sexy for this network.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: The Passing Of Spot.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 07:40:36 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I am sad to hear of the passing of Spot. I still have 
Yogi The Telepathic Dog by myside. 
John Winston.
Xref: sparky talk.religion.newage:5907 alt.alien.visitors:9371
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:34:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Ones: Don't tell anyone but I believe a few lagards are starting 
to awaken.
John Winston.
Xref: sparky talk.religion.newage:5914 alt.alien.visitors:9388
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Miracle of 101.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 06:37:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Helping Hand. 
  Back during the so-called gas crisis I was driving along in my car on 
highway 101 an little past Redwood City, Calif. when I saw a person in his 
car beside the road. Something told me to stop and check him out. I went up 
to the man who was of a certain ethic group and said, "Hey buddy what can I 
do for you?"  He told me that he was on his way to San Francisco, he had 
been stabbed by his girl friend a while before that time, the person driving 
with him had been thrown in jail, the car was out of gas and wouldn't start 
and he was hungry. I then told him to junp in the car and we'd get him some 
gas. 
  I then turned around and took him to my home in the opposite direction. 
During this about 30 mile trip I had the uncontrollable urge to tell him 
about UFOs. I talked like a jaybird.  When we got home I had some gas I had 
saved in a can and found some food for him. 
  I filled his stomack with food and his gas tank with some fuel. He then 
tried to give me a tool box full of tools but that didn't happen. Right 
before he left he said, "You know, sir this is a miracle. Just before you 
showed up, I was looking up in the sky and said that if there are any space 
people up there would you please send someone  to help me out and also have 
the person tell me all about why they are here,  what there purpose is, and 
then  you sir showed up."
  I then told him that this happens quite often. The space people find 
something they want done and they inspire me to do it. 
  So then he went on his way rejoicing.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: preparing for the changes
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:06:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.144105.8123@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.201026.2539@merrimack.edu> nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf) writes: (?)
>
>}I have pondered in my own head that it might be one or more of these wobbles
>}that the earth will be trying to eliminate.  I base that on Abraham's claim
>}that the earth has been wanting to make this shift for a long time.  We take
>}the wobbles as normal, but maybe they aren't, if one considered the entire
>}history of the earth.
>
>"trying"?  "want"?  huh?

The more I think about this, the more bizarre it becomes.

Not only has the first person attributed to the earth qualities of sentience,
("try", "want"), he has the earth-intelligence accept the mind-set of
contemporary Western culture!

(i.e., under a more Zen-like mind-set you don't _try_ or _want_ to do
something, you either do it or you attempt and fail).

-- 
Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov/cs.colorado.edu
From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Historical Evidence of Krishna?
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 02:21:11 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE) writes:

> >>Actually, Krishna was a real human historical person. Try
> >>reading the Mahabharata.

Whoever said this was mistaken. Krishna is not human at all, though He
has a human-like form (or more properly, humans have a Krishna-like
form).

> >What information does the Mahabharata give concerning the time and
> >location of Krishna's birth?  Of his geneology?  Does any other
> >source around that time period acknowledge him as a real person?
> >Thanks for the info.

> I can't answer your questions. Krishna's birth is said to have
> been ca. 5000 years ago, and not very much was written down then.

The Bhagavata Purana -- a.k.a Srimad Bhagavatam --describes the advent
of Lord Krishna in detail. He made His appearance in the city of Mathura
as the son of Devaki and Vasudeva. He was raised in the forest of
Vrindavana by His foster parents Nanda and Yasoda. Upon reaching youth,
He moved to the city of Dvaraka, where He acted as the leader of the
Yadu Dynasty.

It is important to understand that since Krishna is God, the events of
His life on earth are not ordinary. He is not "born" like a human being
is born, nor does He "grow up" like a human being. These are all
transcendental pastimes enacted by the Supreme Lord to please His
devotees. Krishna made His appearance in the womb of Devaki like an
ordinary child, but at that time He also manifested Himself in His
four-armed form as Vishnu, Narayana, something no human being can do.
When He was only a small child by human standards, He lifted an entire
mountain and held it in the air for a week on the tip of His finger.

> The Mahabharata (though I have only read parts of it) is an
> extensive volume and provides as much narrative of Krishna's
> life as the bible does of Jesus' life.

Although Krishna figures prominently in the Mahabharata, He is most
fully described in the Bhagavata Purana.

If you want to learn about Krishna, the only reliable source is from a
pure devotee of Krishna. In the 20th century, the most prominent pure
devotee of Krishna has been His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Prabhupada. His books on the subject of Krishna are the standard
authority.

Sincerely,
Kalki Dasa

       -------------------------------------------------------
      |  Don't forget to chant:   Hare Krishna Hare Krishna   |
      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |
      |                                                       |
      |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
      |        (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us)            |
       -------------------------------------------------------
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Underground City Near Cadiz.
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 11:24:28 GMT

Pretty amazing story John. I really like the stuff you write about people
you have corresponded with and talked to personally. I guess what makes
me believe this story is that so many people around the world are telling
similar tales, and most are not the sort to just make it up and lie
about it. The odds are just astronomical that they are all making it up,
so if even 10% of these stories are true, it means the our planet, our
reality; it's all very different from what they tell you in school...

Jeff-