HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey)
Subject: Re: logging out of ftp in ange-ftp/dired
X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine: others available on request.
Reply-To: Kevin Broadey <kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Distribution: gnu
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:50:50 GMT

>>>>> In article "logging out of ftp in ange-ftp/dired", "richard" ==
>>>>> ryanr@beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU (richard ryan) writes:

richard> How do I log out of an ftp session when I've pulled it up in
richard> dired through ange-ftp?  I wouldn't want to stay logged on
richard> while I'm continuing with emacs and I also don't know what
richard> happens to the session when I just quit emacs with "C-x C-c".

Try "M-x ange-ftp-kill-ftp-process" and give it the name of one of the
buffers showing something on the remote system.

A slightly cleaner way is to switch to the "*ftp user@host*" buffer and
type "BYE" at the "ftp>" prompt.  I have to do this because simply
kiling the ftp client process causes my ftp server (Novell's LAN
WorkPlace for Windows DOS server) to lock up.

Kevin
From: f1toyl@uta.fi (Topi Ylinen)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Postnews exit status 256
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:23:57 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


In the postnews program, what exactly does this error message mean:

Article not posted - exit status 256 


???????????????

I have noticed that too long lines often prevent posting, but what DOES
this exit status 256 MEAN? Man postnews gives no information on the subject 
and that message pops up often without any apparent reason. Please tell
me what COULD have caused it (other than long lines)
From: elau@tony.ccc.amdahl.com (Edwin P. Lau)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Better tracking of cd in shell buffer
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:09:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I trying to find a way to keep a buffer's current working directory
and the inferior shell's cwd in sync.

I've tried to to use "shell-patch" (created by Tom Horsley).  From
his description shell-patch will probably do the job, but it's a
patch to the 18.52 shell.el.  Despite much effort, I haven't been
able to find this version of shell.el.  I've tried to send mail
to Tom, but from Amdahl his host is unknown.

If anyone is using this package or has something else, please post
the file here or let me know ...

Thanks

    Edwin Lau		(408) 746-8874
From: ryanr@beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU (richard ryan)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: logging out of ftp in ange-ftp/dired
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:32:34 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Colorado State University

Hi,

How do I log out of an ftp session when I've pulled it up in dired
through ange-ftp?  I wouldn't want to stay logged on while I'm
continuing with emacs and I also don't know what happens to the
session when I just quit emacs with "C-x C-c".

Thanks,
Richard.
From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: flock on emacs HP
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:20:44 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
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In-reply-to: andrea@sihp03.si.estec.esa.nl's message of 29 Sep 92 17:43:15 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 6810a445e394f13408ca3340d6beb9ef

>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 17:43:15 GMT, andrea@sihp03.si.estec.esa.nl (Andrea TONI) said:


	Andrea> HI, 
	Andrea> I did compile emacs for HPUX and notice that hp-ux doesn't use flock sys-call
	Andrea> Now the problem is that from emacs reading or sending mail is impossible 
	Andrea> because of that ( I believe !!) .. 	
	Andrea> Any hint ?? or any new version of movemail.c that allows non-flock system ??

I don't know what hp you're using, but on mine (hp9000/7xx hpux8.07)
you don't want to use flock for movemail!  Don't define
MAIL_USE_FLOCK.  It shouldn't be defined on hp anyway.  Are you using
the right config files?
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From: vpcsc4@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Emmett McLean)
Subject: Wish list of common but obsure Emacs commands
Organization: San Francisco State University
Distribution: NA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:44:06 GMT


 This is a wish list of Emacs commands.
 I'll summarize and post the responses if there  
 are any.

    How do I ?

 1. Turn off automatic brace matching.

 2. Have emacs move to a matching parenthesis 
    (ignoring braces) and stay there.

 3. WITHOUT scrolling , move the cursor to
    the top (bottom) of the screen, like vi's
    H and L.

 4. Create a mark and give it a specific name. 
    Then move to it. 

 5. Do an incremental search but have the cursor stop
    before (not after as in incremental-search) the matched
    string.
 
 6. If I already have a window in shell-mode called
    *shell*, create an independent shell. Do this some
    easy way without requiring *shell* and the second
    window be renamed.

 Thanks!!

 Emmett vpcsc4@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
From: payam@bohm.berkeley.edu (BARIS)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: rnews
Date: 4 Oct 1992 09:44:43 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bohm.berkeley.edu

On many different platforms I have tried to use rnews but to no avail.
Every time it just loops through all the available newsgroups, which it
read correctly from my .newsrc, and goes to the last one and says,
"no news is good news." Does anyone know of how to get around that?


-- 
Payam Mirrashidi                  payam@langmuir.Berkeley.EDU

"Will nature make a man of me yet?" - The Smiths
From: maxim@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Maxim Markevitch)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: emacs window internal border width
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:48:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: head-cfa.1992Sep27.064827.1794
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


(I use SunOS 4.1.1, X11R4, Emacs 18.XY (that one which runs in its own window))

If I set the internal border width resource to a number N != 1 (the default),
it does not affect the highlighting by dragging the mouse. The highlighted
rectangle is shifted N-1 pixel with respect to the text, ie., it still uses the
default value. (that means, if N=10, it appears that I highlight another line,
rather than that the pointer points to.)

Xterm has the same resource, and it works fine there. 

(or should I write to *.bugs ?)

Thanks, Maxim Markevitch 
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From: rmf@chopin.cs.columbia.edu (Robert M. Fuhrer)
Subject: Re: Better tracking of cd in shell buffer
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Columbia Univ.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:58:12 GMT

When using a command within shell-mode which defines a "cd" sub-command,
cmu-shell always interprets the "cd" command. E.g., ftp has a "cd" command
which changes the current directory on the target machine, not the host, and so
changing the current buffer's default directory is IMHO incorrect behavior.
Anyone fixed this? I believe it would be a simple matter of checking that the
"cd" command is prefixed by an appropriate prompt, but have not looked into it
myself.
--

-- Bob
From: MAP@LCS.MIT.Edu (Michael A. Patton)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Obtaining Fully Qualified Domain Name (FQDN) for current host
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:05:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: gaak.MAP.92Sep28130529
Reply-To: Incoming Replies <MAP=Reply@LCS.MIT.Edu>
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

It seems the consensus is that what I want isn't provided.  Thanks to
Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>, Kevin Broadey <kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk>,
and Andy Norman <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com> for their responses.  Both
Kevin and Andy supplied code, but unfortunately neither works on the
systems I'm interested in, Kevin's looked in configuration files we
don't have and Andy's used nslookup which we don't have (we use other
tools that I consider better for this purpose.)

So, I took some hints from their code and wrote my own.  Here it is,
it doesn't handle all the cases either, just the ones _I_ needed :-).
----------------------------------------------------------------
(defun system-fqdn ()
  (let ((result (system-name)))
    (cond ((not (stringp result))
	   (error "System name cannot be canonicalized, not a string."))
	  ((string-match "\\." result)
	   result)
	  (t (let ((buff (find-file-noselect "/etc/resolv.conf")))
	       (save-excursion
		 (set-buffer buff)
		 (goto-char (point-min))
		 (if (re-search-forward "^domain[ \t]+\\(.+\\)$" (point-max) t)
		     (concat result "." (buffer-substring (match-beginning 1)
							  (match-end 1)))
		   (error "No domain in resolver configuration."))))))))
From: ilg@dasher.uucp (25852-guthrie)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Behavior of C-n at end of buffer.
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:50:24 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Bell Communications Research, NJ


Whenever I execute the C-n command in the last line of the
buffer, a new line is added to the end of the buffer. Any
suggestions on how to change this so that instead an error
is signaled (for example a beep).

Ian
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From: rudolf@llanda.enet.DEc.COM (Rudi Strasser at the CEC-Vienna)
Subject: Running EMACS(X-Windows version) on VMS
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:17:44 GMT

Dear GNU Members,

I have compiled Emacs on a VMS platform but emacs only works in the terminal and 
this is not as comfortable as Emacs is working under Unix. My question is: Is 
there a version of Emacs that runs Emacs in an independent X-Window under VMS.


Regards,

Rudi Strasser
Campusbased Engineering Center,
Digital Equipment Corporation, Vienna Austria
rudolf@cectuv.enet.dec.com
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From: vlee@vis.toronto.edu (Victor Yuencheng Lee)
Subject: Can I change the colors in DEMACS?
Keywords: demacs, DEMACS
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:40:16 GMT

Hi, demacs users:

Could anyone tell me whether we could change the color of demacs or
not? and if yes, how I could change it?

Thanks,

--Victor
From: ks3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenton Shaver)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: ange-ftp to NeXT sites?
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:33:00 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

what has to be done for ange-ftp to work on site
running NeXTstep?  It works for me on all sites
except sites running NeXTstep and sites running AIX.
It's a great program, is there a way to set it
so that it continues working on such sites?
For some reason, I can't view my info file,
though ange-ftp.info compiles.

Any help on this problem would be greatly appreciated!

KWS
From: tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Ispell (how do I make it work?)
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:24:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN


How do I tell emacs to load ispell?  I have (load "ispell") in my
.emacs file.  When I start up emacs i get: "loading ispell...done".
When I do a "M-x $" it doesn't use ispell, it uses the builtin.  If I
do a M-x ispell-word for example I get: "Searching for program: no
such file or directory, ispell".

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?  Please!

Thanks!
--

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tom@ecn.purdue.edu
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From: ericdh@cray.com (Eric D. Hendrickson)
Subject: How do I remove the `` Mail'' from my mode-line?
Keywords: get rid of `` Mail'' from display-time
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: gnu
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:49:27 CDT


I'd like to remove the word ``Mail'' from my mode-line.  I know I have seen
this done SOMEWHERE, but I can find no reference to it in the Emacs FAQ, or
the Emacs Manual.

Can someone suggest a way to do this?  I could edit time.el, but I'm hoping
there is a more elegant way to do this.

Thanks,
		--eric
-- 
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From: jsparkes@bcars68a.bnr.ca (Jeff Sparkes)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: logging out of ftp in ange-ftp/dired
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:55:04 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa

In article <RYANR.92Sep27193234@beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU> ryanr@beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU (richard ryan) writes:
>Hi,
>
>How do I log out of an ftp session when I've pulled it up in dired
>through ange-ftp?  I wouldn't want to stay logged on while I'm
>continuing with emacs and I also don't know what happens to the
>session when I just quit emacs with "C-x C-c".
>
I use this function in dired. 

(defun jds:kill-ftp(&optional buffer)
  "kill the (ange-)ftp process associated with this buffer."
  (interactive "bange-ftp buffer associated with: ")
  (if buffer
      (ange-ftp-kill-ftp-process buffer)
    (ange-ftp-kill-ftp-process (current-buffer))))

and in my dired-load-hook do:
   (define-key dired-mode-map "Q" 'jds:kill-ftp)

If you put this in your .emacs and don't have a dired-load-hook, just put
(load "dired") before the define-key.

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From: saswfk@thurstne.unx.sas.com (Warren F. Kuhfeld)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Wish list of common but obsure Emacs commands
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:17:47 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Cary NC
Originator: saswfk@thurstne.unx.sas.com


|> > In article <1992Oct5.074406.24193@csus.edu> vpcsc4@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Emmett McLean) writes:
|> [...]
|> >     6. If I already have a window in shell-mode called
|> >        *shell*, create an independent shell. Do this some
|> >        easy way without requiring *shell* and the second
|> >        window be renamed.

I never bring up *shell* but instead use a function that brings
up each new shell with a different name.

(defun shell-numbered ()
  "Create a new shell named, *shell1*, *shell2*, *shell3*, ....
Numbers are reused as they become available."
  (interactive)
  (let ((shell-number 1))
    (while (get-buffer (format "*shell%d*" shell-number))
      (setq shell-number (1+ shell-number)))
    (shell)
    (rename-buffer (format "*shell%d*" shell-number))))
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From: ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: "mode specification error"
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:47:35 GMT
Organization: U. of Washington
To: lz22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Langche Zeng)

In article <MeoBltO00WB38bfWJ_@andrew.cmu.edu> lz22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Langche Zeng) writes:
   I wanted to open my latex files that have names like file.tex, but got
   an error message saying "mode specification error: overflow in regular
   expression matching". My .emacs file calls for loading of some macros
   (auc-tex) if the suffix of the file is .tex.

The regular expression which is used to determine if you have a plain
TeX or a LaTeX file overloads on moderate-to-big files.  The best
solution is to get the latest version of auc-tex (from the emacs lisp
archives).  To fix just this problem, you can replace the definition
of tex-mode (in auc-tex.el) with the following code:

(defun tex-mode ()
  "Major mode for editing files of input for TeX or LaTeX.
Tries to intuit whether this file is for plain TeX or LaTeX.

The algorithm is as follows:

   1) if the file is empty, TeX-default-mode is chosen
   2) If \documentstyle or \begin{, \section{, \part{ or \chapter{ is
      found, latex-mode is selected.
   3) Otherwise, use plain-tex-mode "
  (interactive)
  (funcall
   (save-excursion
     (goto-char (point-min))
     
     (cond ((equal (buffer-size) 0) ;; an empty file!
	    TeX-default-mode)

	   ((re-search-forward      ;; must be LaTeX
	     (concat "^[^%\n]*"
		     (regexp-quote TeX-esc)
		     "\\(\\(begin\\|section\\|part\\|chapter\\){"
		     "\\|documentstyle\\)") nil t)
	    'latex-mode)
	   (t                       ;; else - plain TeX
	    'plain-tex-mode)))))
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From: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Richard Stallman)
Subject: Please don't use gnu.emacs.sources for questions.
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:35:49 GMT

I'd like to remind everyone to use gnu.emacs.sources only for posting
sources.  If you have questions, post them on gnu.emacs.help.  If you
have bug reports, mail them to bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu.
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: A. Satish Pai <Pai-Satish@CS.Yale.Edu> 
Subject: Version 19 preparation... 
Originator: pai@opal.CS.Yale.Edu
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven CT 06520, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:28:01 GMT


Someone mentioned here recently that tree-dired would be the standard dired for
v.19. What else is known about the changes that will be visible in v.19 that we
can prepare for by using already-released packages? What packages should we be
prepared to stop using? Are any "pieces" of v.19 available already as elisp
patches?

-Satish

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From: ofl@sony.craynet.dk (Ole Frank Larsen)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Changes to lisp/c-mode.el doesn't take effect
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:45:26 GMT
Organization: Cray Networks A/S - Denmark

I have recently made some changes to lisp/c-mode.el. 


After byte-compiling the file, I noted that the changes didn't take
effect, unless I explicitly executed the load-file command.

Some experimenting showed, that even if I completely removed c-mode.el
and c-mode.elc from the lisp directory, the c-mode commands worked
without problems.

Can anyone explain what is going on? I have tried reading the FAQ, but
this promblem doesn't seems to be mentioned.

If you reply by mail, I will post a summary.


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From: kgallagh@digi.lonestar.org (Kevin Gallagher)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Changes to lisp/c-mode.el doesn't take effect
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:13:53 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <9209281245.AA02124@sony.craynet.dk> ofl@sony.craynet.dk (Ole Frank Larsen) writes:
>I have recently made some changes to lisp/c-mode.el. 
>
>
>After byte-compiling the file, I noted that the changes didn't take
>effect, unless I explicitly executed the load-file command.
>
>Some experimenting showed, that even if I completely removed c-mode.el
>and c-mode.elc from the lisp directory, the c-mode commands worked
>without problems.

When emacs is installed at a site, some frequently used emacs lisp code files
are pre-loaded into the final executable image of GNU Emacs.  The list of lisp
files that are preloaded by default can be found in loadup.el.  You will
discover that c-mode.el is one of them.  Thus, to change the behavior of C
mode, one has to explicitly load the modified c-mode.el to override the
pre-loaded version.

Site specific pre-loads, by the way, are handled generally handled in a file
called site-load.el.

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From: keith%accura_nc@concert.net (Keith B. Kee {AISG} )
Subject: sun keyboard type 5
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:00:20 GMT

Hi:
 I have just changed my sun keyboard to type 5 (which looks like a 101 
pc keyboard). I would like to use the arrow key pad instead of the those
on the numeric pad because they are nearer to me. 

  When I type these keys, there is no response at all. Can somebody be
kind enough to tell me how I can map these arrow keys to work. 

   Thanks!

				-Keith

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From: orloff@surya4.cern.ch (Jean Orloff)
Subject: Re: Changing to Unix Mailbox?
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for Particle Physics
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:14:52 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 1992 11:48:42 GMT, meyer@geomatic.no (Harald Martens Meyer) said:

Harald> I'm now able to sort out my incoming mails. But I'd like to be
Harald> able to do the same with the outgoing ones. I'm currently
Harald> using the FCC header to make a file-copy of the outgoing
Harald> mails.

Harald> Anyone know a smart method to make my outgoing mails in Unix
Harald> mail format??

I have included
  (setq mail-self-blind t)
in my .vm file. This makes you send a copy of all outgoing mail to
yourself by default (you can always decide to kill the BCC line before
sending). You can then save your out-mail in folders as you do for
in-mail.

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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: SUMMARY - repeating a macro X times
Date: 1 Oct 1992 09:19:56 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <EJH.92Sep30164905@khonshu.colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>> Yes, but the problem was I couldn't find the way to give a repeat
>> count! (Now I know, of course). But where is that in the manual? I
>> tried help for repeat, count, repeat count, numeric argument,
>> argument, numberic, and couldn't think of anything else.

The Glossary section in the Emacs manual has an entry for "Numeric
Argument" which has a cross-reference to the "Arguments" section of the
manual that describes how to supply arguments.

In other words, I found out by typing:

C-h i		{ enter Info }
m emacs		{ select Emacs manual }
m glossary	{ go to Glossary section }
C-s numeric argument <Esc>
r arguments	{ follow cross-reference }
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