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From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt)
Subject: Re: First Pakistani MD-PhD!
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.093144.30417@davidsys.com> khan@davidsys.com writes:
>  When you counter my arguments against 
>mad rush for worldly 'scholarship' with
>"Iqra!" from the Quran, you should understand
>that Allah swt is referring to the Quran,
>True Knowledge, not the False Knowledge of
>universities of today, a knowledge based on
>denial of God, and insists on Uncertainty.
>  On one level the Quran is a clear message,
>on the other level it is a key to  many
>other worlds of knowledge. 
>  You can have as many Phd.'s as you want,
>but can you identify your own Shaitaan?
>Can you identify which spirit you may be
>possessed with at any given time during
>the course of any endeavor, whether it
>is from Allah swt , or from a source 180 degrees
>opposite??
>  Status built around worldly pedestals
>is falsehood. 



Yes but can you design an ethernet PROM solely on knowledge 
gleaned from the Quran ?  And what the heck is so "false" about 
knowledge in Universities ? AND, BTW, how come you know 
precisely what Allah swt is referring to ?  No offense intended 
silatman but, at times, you do begin harping the tune of a 
"Californian New-Age-ist". And, speaking about status, do you drive a
car ? Rent an abode ? Own anything ? If so you too are buying into 
status of _some_ sort...  I do agree that many folks today are overly 
focussed on money, wealth and the accoutrements of power and prestige but 
advocating a "nanga-fakeer" lifestyle is sheer myopia.  What is needed 
is more simple balance, common-sense and, above all, humility.  
 





fmb

-- 
Standard High-Tech Disclaimer: NOTHING  in the above article has the slightest 
relationship to reality. If any reality correspondences are found, please 
notify me IMMEDIATELY. Any threats, abuse or stupidity of any kind is purely 
UNintentional. These are MY Opinions NOT my employer's.
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: The fate of these wretched muhajirs.
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:14:53 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


Nadeem Jamali puts forward one of the best arguments against quotas in
recent memory and then jumps on me for bringing up the issue.  And he
doesn't stop there, he goes on to slander urdu-speaking Pakistanis in
a series of vitriolic generalizations, some baseless, some not.  I don't
know if Nadeem Jamali is representative of the Sindhi people of Pakistan.
Let us suppose that he is.  What happens next ?

The acceptable outcomes, from Nadeem's statement, seem to be only one
of three:

(1) The urdu-speaking of Sindh are exterminated in a well-planned
    genocide.

(2) The urdu-speaking of Sindh are expelled from Karachi and the
    rest of Sindh.

(3) The urdu-speaking of Sindh are culturally and economically
    subjugated by the native sons of Sind.


There are precedents for each and any one may happen.  Native Americans
were the victims of a genocide, so that has happened before.  In medieval
Spain, the muslim population was thrown out after as much as 800 years
of domination, so that has happened before.  As for the third option,
the best example is the British Raj.  If Nadeem Jamali is representative
of Sindh today, the conflict has firmly locked itself into intransigence.
I used to dream I will return to Pakistan for a busy career in academic
medicine.  After listening to Nadeem, I am beginning to entertain the
possibility that I am returning to Pakistan for an early grave.



--
From: narain@bass.bu.edu (A.V.S. Narain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (21st)
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:25:30 GMT
Reply-To: narain@bass.bu.edu (A.V.S. Narain)
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: Boston University College of Engineering

In article <1992Jul22.150454.8528@cbfsb.cb.att.com> onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq) writes:

>after the Re-Conquest of Spain.
>
>So regardless of whether archaeologists find evidence supporting or
>nullifying the Hindu fundamentalist' claim, the Mosque is still there.
>Just as many previous mosques in Punjab are now Gurdwaras and Mandirs.
>What do you think? Is it better to save your breath and let the past
>go away or sit here and bicker over this?
>
>Omar 
>omar.farooq@att.com
No sir,not even a single previous masjid is agurudwara and same

with mandirs.You can cross check.This is not just in punjab

but through out india.

thanks,

narain.



--
echo "dont worry be happy"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan

        I believe that this is one of the few times that the Economist is
mistaken.  This would mean that for a population estimate of 100 million
(low) for Pakistan, Pakistan has 508,000 lawyers (compared to about 750,000
for the US with a population of about 250 million).

        The key comparison is between India and Pakistan, I can't believe
that India and Pakistan have a (approx.) 15X discrepancy.


asad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Regarding RAW-Mossad Nexus to Fight Terrorism
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:33:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.220925.7256@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.193950.11543@news.uiowa.edu> 
abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:
>>|* RAW-Mossad Nexus Fights Terrorism  
>>|
>>|U.S intelligence officer confirms their training in Israel
>>|A crack battalion of Indian intelligence agents back from training in
>>|Israel, a new found ally of India, is all set set to launch a major
>>|counter-terrorism offensive against separatist forces in Kashmir,
>
>Only time will tell if suppression, or should I say counter-terrorism,
>is the solution to problems in Kashmir, Assam and E. Punjab.  Some
>quarters naively feel a political resolution is necessary :-)   
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Hum kiya jaaneiN.
>
>Usman
>

Political resolutions are never achieved by resorting to terrorism.
The gun-culture, currently pervading Kashmir, must stop before
political processes can start. If the gun-culture is not given up 
by the terrorists, then it will have to be forcefully suppressed
before civilized modes, such as talks/elections etc., can be held.

---raj


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Job Opennings in Pakistan ....July 17
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:44:33 GMT

In article <l6oonbINNqea@pollux.usc.edu> zubairas@pollux.usc.edu (Zubair Asad) writes:
>========================================================================
>                        Job Listing  (Pakistan)         #2
>========================================================================
>
>  Following is the summary of the job openings as advertised
>  in DAWN of Karachi dated Friday July 17, 1992. Good Luck.
>
>  For details please try to access a copy of the News Paper.
>
>  Career           Experience       Company        City
>                   Required
>  ======================================================
>
>  Product Manager  MBA              PFIZER         Karachi
>
>  Resident Medical MBBS             Orthopedic &   Karachi
>  Officers                          Medical
>                                    Institute Ltd.
>
>  Quality Control  M.Sc. Chemistry  c/o Dawn       Karachi
>  Manager          + 5 yrs. QC
>
>
>  Quality Control  B.Sc. Cehmistry  c/o DAWN       Karachi
>  Executive        /Physics/Maths
>
>  Graduate Trainee   None           P.O. Box        ?
>  Engineers                         in Karachi
>  Mechanical,
>  Electrical,
>  Electronics,
>  Instrumentation &
>  Control, 
>  Chemical and
>  Civil.  
>
>  Manager (Imports  MBA + 10 yrs.   Trans Mobile    Karachi
>  & Traffic)                        Ltd.
>
>  Manager           10 yrs.         Trans Mobile    Karachi
>  Procurement &                     Ltd.
>  Development)
>
>  Finance Manager   CA, +3 yrs.,    c/o Ebrahim     Karachi
>                    Age below 40,   & Co.
>
>
>=========================================================================
>
>Allah Hafiz.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: HALLO HALLO   (was NATIONAL LANGUAGE)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:55:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.202124.22829@leland.Stanford.EDU> usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.221955.18403@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>
>>why arabic, just because we are muslims, what utter rot. Lets just have punjabi
>>as the national language as a large number of pakistani's speak it already.
>>Arabic, if we learn arabic we might turn out to be like arabs, god forbid.
>>
>>sahibzada rafay khan[]
>
>
>Hey Raf, I don't think you're allowed to say that because some
>prophets apparently were of that persuasion.  You're just jealous 
>coz they're rich, arrogant and get all the flake-head blonde and 
>shia bachchis at CSU Long Beach.  And do us jamatoids a favor by 
>using uppercase G for God.  
>
>Furthermore, brother Hamza might be reading, and we know what 
>happens when he gets pissed.  No more channel 54 for Kashmir House 
>ttharkis.
>
>Usman
>
>

Usman bhai( native jamati lingo),

since you have left california, the blondes, the long legs the humid
and cold weather up north must have got to you.
As for Brother Hamza he understands you jamatoids .......... he will not 
be persuaded by your PROPAGANDA.

FOR MY KASHMIR BROTHERS AND BHABI'S AND OTHER PAKISTANI AND INDIANS

Brother Hamza was in san francisco and we talked for a great lenght of time
near the ocean facing the beach. Brother Hamza needs to get a TAN unlike us
pakistani's and some indians.

Brother Hamza has warnwd me of a gang of fascist infiltrators who are
trying to burn Kashmir House down. The biggest suprise is that Rodney king
is involved.

Money and donation can be sent to 

	Sahibzada Rafay Khan
	Kashmiri Freedom Fighter
	Stanford Univ.


sahibzada rafay khan[ freedom from the oppressors and money for the cause]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: Re: ANOTHER JOKE, no offense!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:47:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.201234.1613@news.uiowa.edu> rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.143342.3648@cbfsb.cb.att.com> onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq) writes:

>>wait a week and come back with a different look.  After one week, he
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>has removed his beard and Sikh turban and grown a long moustache and
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>a regular turban with a long kurta and dhothi.  He then walks into
>>the same store and says:
>
>Removing beard is fine, but how long can anybody's moustache grow in one
>week. With all sorts of records floating around, I am sure some one
>will have the record rate at which anybody has grown a moustache.
>Is there any ftp site for such info. :-) :-)
>
>Ramakrishna Chada

With a Sardarji anything is possible!  

Khalsay nuN kaddoon tanna naa daeiN.

Usman
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: miss! miss! missssssssssssssssssssssss! (was: nat'l lang)
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:10:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: NATIONAL LANGUAGE


>why arabic, just because we are muslims, what utter rot. Lets just have punjabi
>as the national language as a large number of pakistani's speak it already.
>Arabic, if we learn arabic we might turn out to be like arabs, god forbid.

>sahibzada rafay khan[]


jan bablo, how about having Seraiki as the national langauge. It should 
not be hard to adjust to Seraiki for Punjabis, Urdu-speaking Pakistanis,
and Sindhis. PaThan brothers and Sahibzada Khans who are fluent in Urdu
should have no problems. I think the sweetness and humility of Seraiki 
can do an awful lot to bring people together because even if you have 
a fight with someone, the curse words sound so romantic and loving :)




Naveed
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Urdu/Punjabi word
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:42:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

--------------------------
Article 25947 in soc.culture.pakistan:
From: brockus@usc.edu (Jeffrey Brockus)
Subject: Urdu/Punjabi Word
Date: 21 Jul 1992 11:20:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun66.usc.edu

  A friend of mine is going back to the subcontinent and we were
planning a farewell for him. So can anyone email me:
what is the translation for "Good-bye" in Urdu and/or Punjabi.
TIA.

brockus@usc.edu
--------------------------

Unless you consult an extensive English-Urdu lughat, I can onyl think of
KhudaHafiz, or perhaps Ruqsat-ul-khair (more like Arabic style phrasing)
		    or Ruqsat-e-khair (Persian phrasing).
From: amatin@prism.poly.edu (Akbar Matin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Pakistan vs CIS
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:27:14 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York



Pakistan beat CIS 6-2 in their third match in the 25th Olympiads.
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (21st)
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:42:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.203411.21135@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Omar.Farook writes:
 
>>can you show a single proof of mosques in East Punjab having been 
>>converted to temples or gurudwaras ?
>
>My family is originally from Jhullunder (Indian Punjab) and the 
>village they were in was predominantly Muslim.  Upon the time of 
>partition, most of the village was destroyed and the two Mosques
>there(Jamia masjid and masjid-ulmomin) were gurdwaras when I visited
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>that area 3 years ago.  And many people there told us of similar
>incidents elsewhere.

Oh Really !.  May be you visited in your dreams? 

Who are you trying to fool, my dear friend? Mutual Visa restrictions 
between Pakistan, and India donot allow people to visit any place
unless they have a relative living there, and the purpose of visit
is to visit a well known religious place? The movements all time
must be reported to local Police, and must be before hand approved and 
verified by the respective local police. Tourist VISA to random
place will require intervention from the Prime Minister and even that
may be denied :-) 

How did you visit a small village then? Without VISA or in Dream?.

Cheers

bkumar
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: nothing in particular
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:43:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: fatwa of the day


>My muslim brothers and baagees(bhabi's etc) to save energy, when going to bed
>cuddle with a member of the opposite sex. And for greater savings  two.

>remember it does not matter if the member is not a muslim, for such a great
>service to humanity, even blondes are allowed.

>sahibzada rafay khan[ when in doubt use a condom]

Where is the colon and right paran :)


Rafay, I hereby inform you that I plan to give your parents aik addad modem
and a PC as a present. Then I can pass on to them all the information about
the ways to access s.c.p :)  Now what is it that you were saying about 
blondes?
 

semi-colon-right paran ;)

 


Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: Karachi and Sind 
Keywords: Pakistan,capital
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:35:19 GMT

>In article <N1R-AP-@engin.umich.edu> chaudhry@schroedinger.engin.umich.edu (Iblees) writes:

First, Iblees writes some BS. However, this does not surprise us as Allah has
warned us that the sole mission of Iblees is to try to mislead the Muslims.  :-)


jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:

Then, however, Nadeem writes some more BS agreeing with and commending Iblees.

This does surprise Hum because, in doing so, he totally abandons his main point.
The discussion began because you stated that Pakistan was not created for Islam.
I responded along the lines of "Bullshit, an entire generation fought, 
sacrificed, and died for an Islamic Pakistan."
Because of your ethnocentric hatred of the Muslims from UP/CP/Bihar, etc.
you denigrated all of their sacrifices and declared them irrelevant.
I responded with the story of my own Punjabi tribe to illustrate the point.
Along came Iblees whispering in the ear [Alathhee yu waswesu fi sudurinnas.
minnal JINNati wannass] saying, "That was then, this is now."
[Sorry, this whole Iblees symbolism is just too fun to pass up. As Naveed
says: sometimes I just slay myself  :-)]

Now, you seem to be saying: Yes, well that's [Iblees is] right. Even if
Pakistan was created for a different reason, why should that bother us.
We should be able to have the type of country that WE want. The sacrifices
of previous generations, the whole reason for being of Pakistan are irrelevant.

I submit that your sampling for the WE is not complete, because I believe
that if you were  able to ask the people of Pakistan if they wanted
the rule of Allah or the rule of Kufr, they would overwhelmingly choose
the former. It is, perhaps, their tough luck that they continue to be 
ruled by Kufr and that they have the Devils that continue to whisper
in their ears.

Either Pakistan has yet to fulfill its original goals, or it was the
biggest fraud perpetrated upon the Muslims of the Subcontinent.
If the truth is the latter, then I say to all of you, as a disenchanted
youth from the foreign-born generation that looks to the land of our 
ancestors and sees such ethnic hatred, crime, immorality and disdain
for Islam, that your country is misnamed. Instead of a capital P at 
the beginning, it should have a small p preceded by an Na.



-hd
reaching for vasotec pills
From: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: My share of jokes.
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:53:16 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Jul27.124900.57524@cc.usu.edu> sl57h@cc.usu.edu writes:
  ...
  >
  >JOKE No., 2.
  ...
  >get into the car to go to their home. On the way, the desi brother recieves 
  >the call of nature. He just stops the car and passes water (urinates) by 
  >the side of the road. American return is very astonished. When his desi 
  >brother comes back, he asks him, "Doesn't the police hold (for doing this) ?"
  ...
  
"Doesn't the police hold for doing this ?" Is this English or Urdu ?
What does this mean anyways ?

-- 
S Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech, Virg.
From: raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Re: Pakistani Olympic Athletes
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:42:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.181341.27875@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
>
>Last olympics, a Pakistani won a medal in boxing, did he make it this
>time? If not, does any body know why?
>Also what other events Pakistan is competing in besides field hockey?
>There was another Pakistani who won a medal in wrestling in last olympics,
>did he make it this time?
>
>--nasir
>umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca

No wrestler won any medal for pakistan in last olympics, only Hussain shah
won bronze in boxing.

One question i have is about squash, i think squash was supposed to 
be the exhibition sport in this olympic and regular medal sport
from 96,  did any one know whether it is played as exhibition sport
in barcelona or not. If yes did any one go from Pakistan?



S.R.Raza.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Subject: Re: Muhajirs/CSS/Urban/Rural Sind.
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:13:47 GMT

Mr N. Jamali has presented an interesting theory about the objectives of 
Partition which seems to go against the popular notion that Pakistan was to be
the homeland for *all* Indian muslims. If what Mr. Jamali says is true then the
muslims from the non-muslim majority states who migrated to Pakistan were 
basically suckered into supporting the idea of Pakistan and were in reality
unwelcome there. Poor suckers ... and they thought they were among brothers.

--Javed.
From: zafar@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: July 30th Hockey results
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:29:00 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
In-reply-to: PAKEDITR@ASUACAD.BITNET's message of 31 Jul 92 00:35:30 GMT



               Summer Olympics '92
                 Mens Field Hockey

                  Point Table

Pool A          M  W  L  T  G AG Pts

Australia       3  2  0  1 12  1  5
Germany         3  2  0  1  5  0  5
Britian         3  2  1  0  5  3  4
India           3  1  2  0  2  6  2
Argentina       3  1  2  0  1  8  2
Egypt           3  0  3  0  1  8  0


Pool B          M  W  L  T  G AG Pts

Netherlands     3  3  0  0 12  3  6
Pakistan        3  3  0  0 11  2  6
Spain           3  2  1  0 10  5  4
Unified         3  1  2  0 10  8  2
New Zealand     3  0  3  0  3  6  0
Malaysia        3  0  3  0  6 16  0


Game Results

July 26th

Won          G    Los          G

Pool A
Australia    7    Argentina    0
Britian      2    Egypt        0
Germany      3    India        0

Pool B
Netherlands  5    Unified      2
Pakistan     4    Malaysia     1
Spain        3    New Zealand  0


July 28th

Won          G    Los          G

Pool A
Australia    5    Egypt        1
Germany      2    Britian      0
India        1    Argentina    0

Pool B
Netherlands  3    Spain        2
Pakistan     1    New Zealand  0
Unified      7    Malaysia     3


July 30th

Won          G    Los          G

Pool A
Australia (T 1    Germany      1
Argentina    1    Egypt        0
Britian      3    India        1


Pool B
Netherlands  4    New Zealand  3
Pakistan     6    Unified      2
Spain        5    Malaysia     2

===================================================

There was an article on net today, (or yesterday) saying that 
the match between Netherland and Spain (perhaps) was tied.

What is the real position?

Zafar Kazmi
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Muhajirs/CSS/Urban/Rural Sind.
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:42:21 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan) writes:

>Mr N. Jamali has presented an interesting theory about the objectives of 
>Partition which seems to go against the popular notion that Pakistan was to be
                                         ^^^^^^^
>the homeland for *all* Indian muslims. If what Mr. Jamali says is true then the
>muslims from the non-muslim majority states who migrated to Pakistan were 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah! popular among muslims from the non-muslim majority states, IMHO.


>basically suckered into supporting the idea of Pakistan and were in reality
>unwelcome there. Poor suckers ... and they thought they were among brothers.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah! Poor suckers ... they DIDN'T think they were among brothers ... and
migrated.

Sumitro