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From: frank@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Frank Williams)
Subject: Re: Tales of the "He-Man"
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:48:09 GMT

"Michael Smith" (p00004@psilink.com) wrote:

stuff deleted...
: 
: Time for the old Spartacus gambit.
: 
: No! *I'm* Dave Harvey!

Just a minute here.  Previous evidence would suggest that "gambit" is
beyond the breadth of Dave Harvey's vocabulary.  To describe any particular
gambit before playing it is just not in character.

Dave Harvey misuses words frequently.  Fitting, then, that Mike
Johnston should type "peddle like the devil" when he really meant
"pedal like the devil".  That's a mistake that would be in character
for Dave.  (not that I care about the mistake per se, mind you)  

..and what's all this I hear about MJ's Dave Harvey archive?

It would not surprise me if a conspiracy or "copy cat banality" are
involved here.  Still, the hounds and I will hang out under the tree
in which MJ is perched.

Tally ho.
Frank Williams
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: robinsmm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ROBINSON MARYBETH)
Subject: Re: USCF 1993 Categorization Guidelines (cat.2 -> 1)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:13:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.044428.16212@netcom.com> marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis) writes:
>
>I spoke with John Tarbert this morning and he did confirm exactly what
>Les has outlined.  His rational for the 200 rider cat.1 limit was that
>it would eliminate the qualifications rounds at Nationals and also
>make cat.1/open a viable category.  
>
.....
>
>* Will there be enough pros and cat.1s to make the cat.1/pro or 'open' 
>  category viable?  I personally don't think we have enough cat.1/pro
>  riders _currently_ to hold many of these races.
>


Can someone give me a feeling for how many Cat 1s there are right now?
More or less than the proposed limits of 200 men and 120 women?


MB


-- 
MaryBeth (MB) Robinson    		robinsmm@ucsu.Colorado.edu
Department of Chemistry
University of Colorado
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: brianh@cae.wisc.edu (Brian Huilman)
Subject: Re: riding and weight training
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:35:00 CST

stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu (Paul Stek) writes:
>I have a question for those of you that are lifting out there.
 [STUFF DELETED]
>Usually I do 3 sets of 15 on each of the leg exercizes at a weight that 
>will not allow me to do more than 15.  The problem I have is that
>I can not climb at all TWO days afterward.  The day after a workout
>I'm slow but I can usually do alright.  But the pain 2 days after a
>workout is really intense in the quads and butt 20 seconds after I try
>to push the pace.  I am much more effected by this than my teammates.
>Has anyone else out there had this experience.  I fear that I am doing
>more harm than good.

I would agree that you may be doing more harm than good.  I think you may 
have a problem with stretching.  It is vitally important to stretch before,
AFTER, AND on non lifting days.  If you miss any of those, you could be 
asking for trouble.  Also you may want to change your sets a bit.  I prefer
to do 4 or 5 sets of 10 to 12 reps at a reasonable weight in the beginning of
my program.  Then, after I'm accustomed to lifting again, I drop the sets to
about 3 and the reps to 8 to 10 and up the weight (this will build strength)
and finally, before dropping lifting entirely (to start riding all the time),
I will up the number of reps to 10 to 15 again and increase the speed at 
which I do the reps (this will build power).  These are just my practices of
course.

Brian Huilman           University of Wisconsin - Madison
                        Department of Electrical/Computer Engineering
"Avoid the Bonk"        brianh@cae.wisc.edu
             _   __o
           ___  `\<,    "Speed is the reward for hard training."
             -  O/ O
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: USCF 1993 Categorization Guidelines (cat.2 -> 1)
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:10:32 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <DAVIS.92Dec17104512@adenosine.lugg.utah.edu> davis@lugg.utah.edu (Darrell R. Davis) writes:
>
>In contrast to this years race, last years nationals retained the
>"old" format of 1-2's with qualifiers.  It seem to me that this was a
>very good system.  It seems to me that a system of qualifying races
>resulting in a "finals" field of 120 is more fair and results in a
>better race than 200 Cat 1's crunched together.

One problem with qualifiers is that depending on the format, it may
be a one-shot-deal.  What if you are caught behind a crash in the
qualifier?  What if you flat and the service vehicle is out to lunch?

I am not sure what the most fair system is, just pointing out that
having a qualifier has its negative points as well.

Bruce

ps - at least this person didn't take drugs then whine about getting
caught!
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Dave Harvey Speaks Out on Nipple Rash
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:19:46 GMT

You are badly in need of a sense of humor Kim.
-Terry
Are you a republican by any chance?
From: kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Ridin short distances fast
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:35:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Hi.  Some coworkers of mine and I ride about 20 miles most days at lunch.  We
average maybe 20 mph and try *really* hard to beat one another.  It's become
much more ruthless in the last year or so.  Obviously, I'm interested in being
able to ride 20 miles as fast as I possibly can (rolling hills).  

My question is simple.  Can this be done without training 200-300 miles a week?
How much distance do I need to put in before I can break through to 22-23
miles per hour on my 20 mile ride?  Does a training regimen exist by which
riders have pushed to the higher speeds without upping the weekly mileage to
ridiculous levels, or is 20 mph or so just the best an average guy like me can
expect to do on 100 miles per week?

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

Kip Ingram
kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Cat Nothing right now :-)
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Joachim Halupczok.
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:57:53 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

It occurs to me to point out that Rudy Dhaenens isn't the only top
cyclist who has such problems.  The following is paraphrased from a
recent report in Cycling Weekly.

The Polish rider Joachim Halupczok has also been forced out of
competition.   He had a heart attack.  He won world amateur roadrace
championship in 1989 when it was held at Chambery, France.  He turned
professional in 1990 and wore the best young rider's jersey for much of
the 1990 Giro d'Italia but was forced out by knee problems.  Irregular
heartbeats in 1990 forced him to stop racing although I believe he made
something of a comeback this year.
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
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From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: Cold Weather hydration (was: Re: Frozen water bottles)
Organization: Motorola
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:59:13 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Jobst Brandt writes:

>I'm not sure who is writing what here John.  Why are there so many
>sig's under this message and what do you mean by including them.
      **you get the idea - snip**
>In any event, the body don't use nearly the amount of water in cold
>weather and that is because your lungs and extremities are cooled.
>depending on where in the forest or hill we were.  When it gets down
>to a half bottle it's about like no bottle and I don't believe a
>half pint can make the difference when bicycling at these distances.

>Ride bike and let your bottle freeze!

>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Don't forget the most important reason to limit your liquid intake....
If you drink too much water (perhaps by trying to impress drivers at
stop lights, for example) you will be later forced to work your way
through two or three levels of lycra, along with assorted ties and
other items that weren't designed for operation with numb fingers,
only to expose your - uhhhh - spigot to the elements.  I'm sure
Dave Harvey has an alternate method, but I don't think he needs me
to enhance his ego.  He can do that quite well himself!

Mark (don't worry about it myself in S. Florida) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid)
Subject: Re: Cold Weather hydration (was: Re: Frozen water bottles)
Organization: Computer Power Software Group Pty Ltd
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:33:49 GMT

marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis) writes:

>In article <3450002@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
>>The big question is why do you need water in such weather?  I don't
>>believe you ride so hard that you perspire away a pint of water in a
>>reasonable time.  At least not before you come by a place where you
>>could stop for a hot drink.  I think you have been taken in by the
>>water bottle fetish of modern bicycling.  
>>
>>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

>It doesn't matter how cold it gets Jobst, the human body will sweat
>during physical exertion.  It doesn't even matter if you're freezing
>cold; If you're working out, you're going to sweat.  Obviously you're
>not sweating for the cooling effect.  It's more likely that you sweat 
>to remove toxins (especially unbalanced electrolytes) from circulation.

>If you don't drink enough, regardless of the temperature, you are 
>going to get dehydrated and either tired or sick.  Thank goodness for
>those modern 'fetishes' like proper nutrition and hydration.  If you
>read sports nutrition literature from the 50s and 60s you'll see what
>I mean.

You sweat for cooling only. Even in cold weather you still get very hot.
When I lived in Europe I frequently went riding in very cold weather, but
still came home with sleeves rolled up and zippers undone because I had get
very warm as a result of the exercise I had taken.

Your body does have a mechanism for removing substances it recognizes as
toxic or unwanted - your kidneys.



>Roger (marquis@netcom.com)
--
John Reid                                   ACSnet : johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au
CP Software Export Pty Ltd,                 Phone  : +61 3 823 0222
19 Cato Street, Hawthorn 3123 Australia     Fax    : +61 3 824 8068
ACN 006 640 133
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From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: USCF Upgrade Policy for '93
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:16:07 GMT

les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
: I remain puzzled.  The USCF procedure for ugrading to Cat.1 has not
: changed appreciably for the last 12 years.

Perhaps the words in the rule book have not changed, but certainly the
interpretation by many (likely most, possibly all) District Reps has
changed dramatically.  It used to take God-like performance in national
class races to convince a D.R.  to upgrade a rider to Cat 1, but the
last 1 to 2 years have seen upgrades on the basis of performance in
local and regional Cat 1/2 races.  As evidence, our district went from 2
or 3 Cat 1 riders to around 8 or 10 in the last year.  The level of
competing riders has not changed appreciably.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 17:59:11 MST
From: <AHSJS@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Tour of Mexico

Anyone interested in participating in the Ruta Mexico during     the last two w
eeks in Feb., please send cover letter and resume to: Steve Schmitz, 700 E. Mes
quite K-103, Tempe AZ. 85281.  Only Cat 1's and 2's please.  The race counts fo
r world cup points.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Re: Cold Weather hydration 
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:48:49 GMT

   Jobst Brandt writes to John Reid: 



|> I'm not sure who is writing what here John.  Why are there so many
|> sig's under this message and what do you mean by including them.
|> 
|> In any event, the body don't use nearly the amount of water in cold
|> weather and that is because your lungs and extremities are cooled.
|> The lungs in particular are good heat dissipaters because they don't
|> constrict blood flow when exposed to cold air (as other extremities
|> do).  Just as a casual data point, we went on a ride over the coast
|> range and back for a 75 mile ride and ~5000 feet of climbing on
|> Sunday and surprise, my friends drank about a half a bottle and I
|> didn't drink anything all day even though I ate a candy bar at half
|> distance.  I was not all dried up but it was crisp out at 30-40 deg
|> depending on where in the forest or hill we were.  When it gets down
|> to a half bottle it's about like no bottle and I don't believe a
|> half pint can make the difference when bicycling at these distances.
|> 
|> Ride bike and let your bottle freeze!
|> 
|> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

   I know we have probably beat this one to death but I couldn't let
   this go by.

   Jobst if you can ride 75 miles (how hard we don't know, and it still
   wouldn't matter) on a candy bar and no water,  you are more than 
   an exception......you better stay away from any kryptonite!!!!!!!
 
   For myself a 35 mile/3500' mountain bike ride (some of it in the snow)
   this last weekend left me 4 pounds down, and I drank 48 oz.....
                                           
   Boy I wish I could travel as light as you........  

   Curt
   curt@mcm.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: Dave Harvey Speaks Out on Nipple Rash
Organization: Motorola
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:52:51 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Q:
>1-The humor of pseudo-dave is like, choose one:
> a) John Cleese
> b) Robin Williams
> c) Andrew Dice Clay
> d) Gallagher

>Kim Cary, GSEP-Pepperdine Systems Support, kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu

A:
 e) Tim Allen - (Home Improvements)
If you don't like this show... other than being out of step with
the rest of the world, you won't like Dave Harvey's humor.  True,
Tim always seems to develop *some* sensitivity toward the end of
each show, but we hammerheads all love him anyway.

Mark (on your left) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Cyling and Doping
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:08:06 GMT

Zalman Stern writes:
   Many (most?) apsirin tablets contain caffeine as well. What is a "limited"  
   substance? What is the limit for caffeine? 

The limit on caffeine is 12 micrograms per milliliter of urine.
You would have to drink an unreasonable amount of coffee to get there.
--
Les Earnest           Phone:  415 941-3984    Fax: 415 941-3934
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Dave Harvey Speaks Out on Nipple Rash
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:05:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)

>You are badly in need of a sense of humor Kim.
>-Terry

O.K. 

1-The humor of pseudo-dave is like, choose one:
 a) John Cleese
 b) Robin Williams
 c) Andrew Dice Clay
 d) Gallagher

2-Defend your choice in a succinct paragraph, and argue cogently that your
choice should develop a monologue to be performed while doing a wheel-stand
for their next tour.

>Are you a republican by any chance?

"Survey says...a-a-a-ag-g!"

Kim Cary, GSEP-Pepperdine Systems Support, kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
From: holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Cycling and Doping again
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:13:22 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

My apologies for starting a new subject, but my piece of sh*t newsreader
wouldn't let me respond to an article in another thread. Anyway,

>Mike Thornton writes:

>everything to help them perform better. I believe that there is a 
>statistic that says that no Tour de France winner has ever lived past the
>age of 57. This not to say that drugs are taken by all winners but there
>is something to it.

I can't remember from which issue of Winning magazine this year it was, but
they had an interview with the winner of the _____1937_____ Tour de France
(Roger Lapabie (sp?)). I believe only one or two riders were under
the age of 22 when they won, and he wasn't one of them. Let's be
conservative and say he was 23. That would mean he was born in 1914 or
thereabouts. That would make him, let's see, at least 78 or so. Hmmm...

Isn't Gino Bartali still alive too (winner of 1938 and 1948 TdF's)?
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Just my two cents worth.

Dave
----
From: Mike@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Mike)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Help! Freewheel wear!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:51:04 -0500

SBT>I am an amateur(obviously) at bike maintenance and I've run into
what
SBT>I think is a common problem.  I have a mountain bike with shimano
400lx
SBT>parts.   I was told when I bought the bike that I should replace the
chain
SBT>about every 4  months.  But I didnt get around to it until this
week, which
SBT>makes it about 6 or 7 months.  Now I have chain slippage when I get
on it
SBT>(pedal hard). I was told that it was the rear sprockets wearing with
my
SBT>old chain that now makes them incompatible with my new chain.  And I
was to
SBT>that I would need to replace the chainwheel and, freewheel, which
would run
SBT>over $100.

Welcome to the crowd of amatures. You should replace your chain when 12
links measure 12 1/8". I'm far from an expert, but a chain should last
around 2000 to 2500 miles. I just replace mines about every 2500
miles if it needs it or not. You might check to make sure that you
don't
have a tight link that's causing your skip. As I said, I'm not an
expert, but even if your freewheel needs replacing, I don't think you
need to replace the chainrings also. New freewheels cost approx. $28
(US
dollars) down here in Houston, Texas, and all you need is a Shimano
freewheel tool ($10 - $15 I think - can't remember how much I paid), a
chain whip ($10) and an adjustable wrench to do the job yourself.

        Mike Brisco, Houston, Texas

 * SLMR 2.1a *    If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: wut@acf3.NYU.EDU (Tom Wu)
Subject: Re: Gripshifts vs. Rapidfire
Organization: New York University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:25:00 GMT



	I just bought a Trek 750, equiped with grip shift,
and love the feel of it. The only trouble I had was that
grip shift could be pretty hard on your wrist if you shift
a lot, and especially 2 or 3 speed(?) at a time. But after
a while I got used to it.




				---Tom


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.skating
From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: Re: ASTM bicycle helmet standard coming
Organization: Netcom 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.012207.19699@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
>
>I mentioned to the committee that an opthalmologist colleague at Texas
>Tech. has tested a number of people wearing existing bicycle helmets
>and found that they provide clear vision up to 50 degrees.  I
>recommended that an impairment standard close to this value be
>adopted.
>Les Earnest           

Les,

Is the 50 degree measurement in the vertical plane only?  I would
think that you would use more of your peripheral vision in the
horizontal.  I don't suppose there are any bicycling helmets
restricting horizontal vision though.  Thanks goodness too,
anything that restricts peripherial vision or hearing will have an
impact on safety.  

On another note: are there any noise standards being considered?  I 
have worn helmets that made so much noise (from the wind blowing through
them) that I was uncomfortably impaired from hearing approaching
traffic.

Roger (marquis@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Dear Santa: bring Mtn. Bike
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:15:50 GMT

ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler) writes:

>Due to a recent gift of some cash I am now in the market for a Mtn. Bike.
>I am looking for a bike to be strickly used off-road that is in the 
>range of $800-1000.  Any suggestions?  Any to avoid?  I have already
>tried a few other people's bikes on trips ranging up to 20 miles and
>have "tested" a few bikes at the dealer, but will not name any brands/models.
>I just want to hear some other suggestions.

Bridgestone! Light, responsive, thumbshifters only and no painted parts!
The company stands behind it's product.  Won Bicycle Guides mid-priced
MTB of the year two years running.
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.skating
From: stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: ASTM bicycle helmet standard coming
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:08:02 GMT

Regarding some standard on how well helmets stay on one's head, I suspect
the biggest problem is finding a way to get people to adjust their
helmets properly.  Some helmets are just plain more difficult to
adjust.  It would be difficult to do, but their should be
some standard for ease of adjustment/fit.  This would be harder
to test, but would adress what i see as the larger problem.

Paul Stek
Stek@pfc.mit.edu
From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Dear Santa: bring Mtn. Bike
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:57:12 EST
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <78456@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler) writes:
> Due to a recent gift of some cash I am now in the market for a Mtn. Bike.
> I am looking for a bike to be strickly used off-road that is in the 
> range of $800-1000.  Any suggestions?  Any to avoid?  I have already
> tried a few other people's bikes on trips ranging up to 20 miles and
> have "tested" a few bikes at the dealer, but will not name any brands/models.
> I just want to hear some other suggestions.
> 
> Thanks, Mike
> -- 
> Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
> Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
> Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.

Hey there Mike,

I have a friend who has a Haro Extreme with elevated chainstays....and he likes
it quite well........very much an off-road bike.  I have a Giant
ATX-760....might want to look into their -770 or -780.  They also have their
new Cadex line out, which I think might be carbon-fiber (?).  Then again, I
may just be enamored with Giant right now ....... I just got mine.  For 800 -
$1000 you ought to be able to get a damn nice bike!  ;)  Post your final
purchase (some of us like to see what the "upper-crust" ;]  buys!)

-Mike-
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