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From: lgb@romulus.cray.com (Larry Briski)
Subject: Piquet vs. Team Menard Lawsuit
Keywords: Piquet
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:28:48 CDT


Just announced on the local radio station news :

A federal judge has ruled in favor of Nelson Piquet in his suit against
Team Menard for unpaid wages due for services rendered at this years
Indy 500 race.

Piquet is asking for $516,000 (US) in pay and penalties.  Nothing was
said as to what he will received or if that decision has been made.

The Team Menard spokesman located here had no comment for the radio station.

May get more information from the local paper later.  Will post if I see
anything additional.


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From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Mansell to stay in F1?
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Greetings.

In the days leading up to Sunday's Italian GP, Nigel Mansell, responding to
questions from reporters, suggested that his future in F1 will be decided by
Saturday (tomorrow).  It is believed that Frank Williams, en route to Monza, 
stopped off in Paris for talks with Renault chiefs.  He felt that a 
satisfactory result might be the outcome of the talks.

One of the main stumbling blocks appears to have been pay.  Other sponsors have
been suggested which would ease the burden for Frank (apparently).  There is 
also the additional pressure of the (inevitable) backlash which occurred when
it became apparent the Mansell might not continue with Williams in 93.  The 
team base in Didcot was inundated with irate phone calls and letters, including
ones with enclosed 10 pound notes (re FW`s comments that he would be happy to
re-sign Nigel if everyone in Britain contributed 10 pounds! :-).  

Moving swiftly on from 'our Nige', the 1st qualifying session starts in a
couple of hours, and I will try to cover it for the net again.

Cheers,

	Obi.

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From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Chevy A/B catch up with FORD?!
Date: 13 Sep 1992 22:42:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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 Boy, I can't wait to see the Chevy C engine out there turning
up high revs! :-)
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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Bubba (NASCAR)
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:36:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep7.183617.18710
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

> 
>By contrast it seems that in NASCAR it still is possible
>to assemble a team, start off racing locally, move to
>second or third division travelling series, like BGN,
>All-Pro, SW Tour ,etc, and pick up sponsor support
>along the way. The prize money payouts seem to do a
>lot more toward keeping teams in the running. Its
>even possible for whole teams to stick together
>in moving up the ranks, whereas the Euro scene
>sees drivers moving while teams are fixed, and experts
>in, certain formulae.
> 
>On balance, IMHO NASCAR is much more of meritocracy
>based on performance, i.e. winners can advance
>through the ranks, than Euro, which is still more
>elitist. Even Senna paid for his drives up to
>and perhaps even including early efforts in F1.

A couple of notes: Bill Clinton was not well received at Darlington,
receiving lots of catcalls and "We Want Bush" chants from the crowd.

Second, it's quite true that NASCAR promotes local heros and for this
they are to be applauded.  Unfortunately, IndyCar racing is becoming
as decrepit in spirit as the European racing community in that money
means rides (or at least, people like Michael Kranefuss of Ford act as
godmakers).  It's too bad, really; the sport has gotten competitive 
merely for the sake of competition in many ways.  Even on the local 
level in the states, money does buy speed, even with compression and
tire rules (most local stock car racers must run 9.5:1 compression 
engines and the same tires everyone else runs).  

The bottom line in NASCAR and particularly in the BGN series is that
you can operate pretty cheaply (for racing) and be competitive with a 
car that's just a few percent slower than the Winston cars.

The other hand says that you don't just have to be pretty go get sponsor-
ship.  While being pleasant helps (never one of Senna's traits) being 
good helps more.  I suspect that Ayrton has retroactively enrichened at
least a few of his early sponsors.

Curiously, in sports like golf sponsorship is still very important but
thank goodness carbon fiber brakes aren't part of golf yet...
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From: maru@komako.o-pj.tis.co.jp (Yukihiro Maruyama)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: HONDA will leave.
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:15:35 GMT
Organization: Toyo Information Systems. Co., Ltd. Osaka, Japan


Today's newspaper said.

Finally HONDA decided to pullout of the F1 world.


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From: hagood@sabre.den.mmc.com (Dave Hagood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Patrese - actice suspension failure
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:47:11 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group

In article <Sep14.203111.12911@engr.washington.edu>, eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
|> [deletia]
|> 
|> The only reason why I watch ESPN anymore is because they carry most
|> races live.  Still too many g*damm commercials especially towards the
|> end, and lack of info on major incidents.  There was one good action
|> sequence with an in car cam shot of Brundle about to pass somebody in
|> the chicane and then suddenly we get a stupid driver stats (or
|> whatever) banner for a half minute.  GGRRRRRRR!!
|> 
	While I agree that ESPN's racing coverage can be pretty lame, I think
it important to point out that ESPN does not have cameras at the F1 events;
they provide commentary on pictures provided by local TV.  At Monza, for
example, Italian TV provided the pictures.

	Where ESPN overrides the TV feed to put up TrackFacts, driver stats,
or whatever, I completely agree.   GGRRRRRRR!!

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From: Cory Houston, mdstest1@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Date for the Canadian G.P. (F1) 1993?
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:07:02 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa

In article <bjilek.716077249@trojan> bjilek@convex.com (Brian Jilek) writes:
>Does anyone have the date for the Canadian Grand Prix (F1) in Montreal
>for next year?
>

I remember seeing a '93 F1 schedule in the paper a while back and it sticks in
my mind that it was the same weekend i.e. around June 13.
Hope that helps!!!


Cory
From: Cory Houston
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: News on Piquet?
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:18:52 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa

In article <10702296.11.716184485@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>
10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:
>Does anyone have any info on Piquet since he went into hospital after the 
>Indy crash?
>
>XD-Man
>

Last I heard he got out of hospital about a month after the Indy 500 and got an
apartment in Indianapolis in order to rehab himself. He also announced his
retirement from autoracing. Too bad, I would have like to see him race Andretti
in identical cars in F1.....



Cory
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Indy safety and carbon fibre tub
Reply-To: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk (Dave White)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 09:19:40 GMT

>But Lola has said that their current process for constructing aluminum 
>tubs is actually more expensive than carbon fiber processes.  They maintain
>that they are unconvinced of the safety of a carbon fiber tub at a place like 
>Indy, which might involve multiple high-speed impacts with a wall.  Of course,
>I don't think a "change to a new technology" would be a problem for Lola,    
At the weekend I was in a two year old LOLA carbon fibre formula 3000 tub which seemed very safe to me in relation to the aluminium sandwichs of the recent pastHowever it is a very exposed position sticking out front of the car, I much prefer to have half a ton of engine between me and the crash barrier no matter how 
illogical that may be. Are the front suspension struts made of titanium, they seem very thin to me? The inboard coil springs are just about two inches above your knees. The engine was a Mugen ( Honda) whatever that might be.
        Next weekend Im off to France racing on the exGrand Prix circuit at
Angouleme, Its all round the houses like Monaco with no room for error, and I 
make lots of errors so it should be interesting! If anyone is interested I can
report on the weekend here.(possibly from a French hospital :-)
From: t9014143@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:16:36 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)


 
>>Also, Mansells comments that he was going to "give" the race to Patrese
>>anyway (he said this after he went out) seemed a bit weird.  If he was
>>going to do that, why did he race off at the start ?
> 
> To make it look more dramatic.  "Lookit, I *am* faster than Patrese.
> See how generous I am, giving away a *big* lead?"
> 
>> Why did Patrese
>>catch up 13 seconds (or whatever it was) in one lap.
> 
> Maybe that was when he decided to let Patrese through?
> 
>>Why would he let Patrese win ?
> 
> Because it was Patrese's home GP, and you all know how passionate the
> Italians are.
> 

All this sounds very nice and very friendly, but why would Mansell be riding
Patrese's tail trying to find a way past him.

I don't think it was just some fun that the boys were having.

I couldn't see what happened to Mansell (13 secs in one lap) being that Mansell
was being a nice guy. Mansell was seriously trying to get through. Car trouble
may have stopped him succeeding, but it looked like he was doing what he could
to me.  
            
If my scepticism is unfounded, Mansell's move to give Patrere the lead
was about as subtle as a brick going through a window.


 
> eliot
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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Subject: Re: F1: Why no US GP?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: austin
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 18:44:08 GMT

>
>Not to mention the cost of shipping a tractor-trailer rig from Europe to Japan,  
>to Australia, to South Africe, to Brazil.  It is much easier to ship just the  
>cars and parts, and use existing garage facilities.

Hey, the GP pulled from Watkins because its facilities were in decline,
and the F1 guys SHOULD race at Road America or Laguna but Road America is
in the sticks, relatively speaking, and the F1 pansies would never bear
THAT indecency.  You should have heard them whine about the garage facilities
in Detroit...  (I know, I was there tending to them.)
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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hart Engines
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:54:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Dan Jones (danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com) wrote:
: Cory James Padfield writes:
: 
: > 	Like everyone else who saw the ESPN broadcast, I heard the
: >rumor about Barnard and/or Doc P. suggesting using Brian Hart V-10's.
: >My question is when did Hart come up with a new design for a V-10???
: >He has been one of the tuners/rebuilders of customer Ford engines
: >forever (like Heini Mader), but I have NEVER heard of his OWN engines,
: >like John Judd. 
: 
: The Toleman team used Brian Hart Turbos from '81 thru '85.  When the team
: became Benetton, the team switched to BMW power.  Senna drove Hart powered
: Tolemans during his rookie year.  As far as the new Hart V-10, ESPN was
: the first I had heard of it.
: 
: Dan Jones

There have been persistent rumours about a Hart V10 over this side of the
pond for a couple of years now. TOMS Toyota were linked to it at one time.

As far as early Hart engines go, Dan is right about the Toleman team using
them. Beatrice-Lola used them in their early days (before the beautiful and
much-lamented Cosworth V6 arrived), as did Spirit after their Honda link was
terminated and RAM.

The Hart F1 engine descended from the Hart 420R F2 engine of the late
Seventies/early Eighties. This itself started life as a Cosworht BDA derivative,
but evolved into an engine in its own right by about '76/77. I think its
first major success was in a March F2 car driven by Alex Ribeiro at the
Nurburgring. 

Alex was a very interesting driver, a Brazilian with the requisite amount
of talent but an excessive amount of ambition and poor judgement
which took him into F1 at the wrong time with the wrong team... 
I remember his lurid purple March 753 plastered with ``Jesus Saves'' 
stickers in '75 when he was team-mate to the late Gunnar Nilsson; there
wasn't much to choose between them in terms of skill...

Pete
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: PITSTOP (9/14) Preview
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:19:43 GMT

I anticipate a very busy and lively show tomorrow night.
As an added attraction, we'll be adding an extra hour
as a special promotion for next weekend's "Doernbecher
Dash" Conference race down at PIR, for the benefit of
the local children's hospital.  As an incentive for this
event, I have some terrific racing posters donated by
Mazda Motorsports, BF Goodrich (Comptech Acura) and
Robby Buhl (Racing for Kids) for the Kids as well as
spectators who participate in the "go for a race car
ride" deal, with all proceeds benefitting the hospital.

As well, our tentative guest lineup includes:

Robby Buhl (Firestone Indy Lights)
Don Walker (Full Time Racing Dodge GTU - in studio)
Tom Pinkowski (1992 Portland Speedway Champion in 
NASCAR Late Models - in studio)
Chris Kniefel (former IndyCars/TransAm) to talk about
his current ad in AutoWeek, NSSN, OnTrack, etc. seeking
a ride for the '93 season
Plus some conference representatives

My own version of a 3-hour enduro.

-c'ball-
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:02:13 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hart Engines

In article <183513@pyramid.pyramid.com>, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan
Jones) says:

>Cory James Padfield writes:

>>       Like everyone else who saw the ESPN broadcast, I heard the
>>rumor about Barnard and/or Doc P. suggesting using Brian Hart V-10's.
>>My question is when did Hart come up with a new design for a V-10???
>>He has been one of the tuners/rebuilders of customer Ford engines
>>forever (like Heini Mader), but I have NEVER heard of his OWN engines,
>>like John Judd.

>The Toleman team used Brian Hart Turbos from '81 thru '85.  When the team
>became Benetton, the team switched to BMW power.  Senna drove Hart powered
>Tolemans during his rookie year.  As far as the new Hart V-10, ESPN was
>the first I had heard of it.
Brian Harts turbo was a 4 cylinder FORD. Several teams used the engine.
One of those teams was Carl Haas' failed F1 attempt. The motors lacked
reliability, and could not handle a lot of boost. Some teams stay with
the cosworth rather than use the Hart motor.
In the beginning of the season I saw an article in AutoSport about a
Brain Hart V-8. If I recall correctly it was a 3.0  Litre of his own
design. Not someone elses reworked engine. The article said something
about it possible being used for F3000. There was no mention of a V-10.
Also I don't recall the ESPN guys saying it was a V-10.

Jonathan Swaby

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From: kimes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Kit Kimes)
Subject: Respect for Senna (was: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:22:03 GMT

From article <Sep14.082925.17245@engr.washington.edu>, by (eliot):
> 
> Senna's post race interview was also good sober stuff.  My respect for
> him is climbing.  

I didn't see a post race interview with Senna, but my respect for Senna
(never very high--has nothing to do with his driving ability) dropped
like a rock when I found out that Mansel would not be driving for
Williams next year and that a big part of it was because of Senna's
publicly blowing off at the mouth.  In the U.S., publicly interferring
with another man's bargining process would be grounds for a lawsuit.

Kit Kimes
AT&T Bell Labs (under contract to NCR)
Naperville, IL
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 03:37:35 GMT

Benetton should hire the same ad agency to design ads for their F1 car
in a style similar to their clothing ads.

That would been really interesting. How about a new ad each race?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:02:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep9.181736@IASTATE.EDU> torito@IASTATE.EDU (Jaime Santiago) writes:
>I've read that Andretti's contract is for 5 million a year. Isn't this a low
>salary for an F1 pilot? How much was Berger making in Mclaren?
>How much do rookies normally make in F1?
>For me it's hard to consider Michael Andretti a rookie, but I guess technically
>speaking he is.
>
>Jaime Santiago 

What about calling three-time World Champion Nelson Piquet a rookie at Indy?
Ooops.  He made a mistake and crashed, didn't he?

OK, what about calling, IMHO, the greatest driver of all time, Jimmy Clark,
a rookie the first time he drove Indy?  He almost won that year.

alan
From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 22:26:41 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

> "F1 teams don't want to "take a chance" on unproven drivers like
> (MiAndretti or Little Al)"......HAH!!
> 
> I think I read where one team (no names) might've offered Unser about
> 1 million $$ for a one year contract.  He basically told them to take
> a hike.  The money's better at home right now.  This may sound arrogant
> on his part, but he also mentioned the fact that he's most concerned

It did seem like he was pushing it a bit when he said he was only
available for an F1 ride that allowed him to drive Indy.



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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Dan Drinan Update
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:11:58 GMT

From NSSN:

"USAC midget title contender Dan Drinan remains here at St. John's
Hospital after being involved in a spectacular flib Aug. 22 at the
Illinois State Fairgrounds."

"Drinan has been moved out of the Intensive Care unit and his father
Doug reports he is progressing quite well.  He is now listed in stable
condition."

""He doesn't have any brain or spinal injuries," the elder Drinan told
National Speed Sport News.  "His right arm popped out of joint at the
elbow and he's having trouble moving that, but the doctors say it will
be 100 percent after a while.  He also lost the tip of the little finger
on his left hand and he has a broken collar bone."

"They say he'll be in the hospital for two or three more weeks, but he's
already giving the nurses a hard time," Drinan concluded.

-c'ball-

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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: What were those stories about Lotus?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 15:48:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


On the ESPN coverage of the Italian GP today, two stories were mentioned
about Team Lotus and I was wondering if anyone (e.g., Autosport readers)
had any details about the stories.

The first story was that a member of Team Lotus is the male voice on the
recent Princess Di tape.

The other story was that one of the engineers of Team Lotus left for
Ligier and took a lot of secrets with him and is being sued.  In particular,
I would like to know the engineer's name as my closest contacts at the team
right now are engineers.

alan

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