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Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: BALT: 2565 No Nurembergs please...
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:53:58 EDT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <TPS-L%92072911230372@INDYCMS.BITNET> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>I think the priority of the Baltics and the west should be relocating or
>dividing the former Soviet Army. Yelthin is claiming that he does not have
>enough appartments to hold this army in Russia. He should Close all military
>colleges in Russia for at least five years and reduce the number of attendecies
> up to 25 to 30%. Yeltsin is waisting entire year and is not building appart-
>ments in Russia. It is not easy to build new housing. The Russia and all other
>new 15 countries do not have proper communications, roads, water, electricity
>other utility that needed for building new homes. In my opinion, if the new co-
>untries will not have a first priority to relocate the Russian Army, the new co
>untries will suffer.

Exactly! But I have a better solution: why Russians need such
a huge army? They should just reduce it twice and free Baltics.
I don't see there a problem at all. Military installments in Baltics
are obsolete (or will be such in nearest future) and could be 
destroyed. What Eltsin and crew does is harmful and will cause
trouble. They are making it easier for anti-Russian hysteria
to spread through Baltics, nothing else. I fail to see a single
reason why army should stay instead of being reduced.

Misha.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: "Dr. Strangelove or Is the Cold War Really Over?"
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:20:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <01GMQL8UYFV494ELBH@VAX1.UMKC.EDU> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>"Dr. Strangelove, or is the Cold War Really Over?"
>
...
>I am not of the school "The Cold War is over, we (the U.S.) won the
>Cold War." I AM of the school that recognizes that the Cold War
>SHOULD be over, probably is over, but I do not think anyone "won." We
>expended the treasure of two generations on the arms race and the
>largest nuclear arsenal on the planet - to what end? Deterring the
>Russians? The Russians expended the treasure of two generations to do
>the same. We both lost there.
...
>The old days of 1964 total paranoia are greatly gone. What I fear
>most now is ignorance and stupidity. ...

    Me too.  For example, it must be pretty obvious for any unbrainwashed
    observer that WE BOTH WON THE COLD WAR.

    Twenty million people were killed or died from disease and starvation 
    during WWI, fifty million perished in WWII, and few of us expected
    WWIII to buck this horrifying trend.  Compare this to the casualties 
    of the Cold War measured in tens of thousands.

    The amount of money having been spent on the "arms race" by both sides 
    is trivial compared to any material damage that WWIII would have brought
    about.

    Now that the Cold War is over - welcome to the brave new world of real 
    war, genocide, nuclear proliferation - it is becoming painfully clear that 
    the Cold War era has been one of the most peaceful and beneficial periods 
    in the history of human kind, the real treasure of post-WWII generations.



    



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From: KOROTKOV@auducvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Calm down! (Was: MUTLU REFUSES TO ANSWER THE QUESTION)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:13:00 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Artavazd Kvachikian writes:

>       Mi s vami mozhem postavit ego v kill file.
>A kak zhe drugiye? Kaka sdelat' tak shtobi ego ne chitali v gruppe?
>Est` ideyi? Arto.

        Uvazhaemyi Artavazd!
Poskol'ku vy prilyudno obsuzhdaete kakim obrazom uberech menia ot
durnogo vliyania, ya schitayu chto ya imeyu pravo koe-chto skazat' tozhe,
poskol'ku ya uzhe ochen' davno sovershennoletnii. Hotya tochnee povtorit'.
Cherchil kak-to zametil, chto demokratia - eto samyi plohoi sposob pravleniya,
za isklyucheniem ostal'nyh. Demokratia predpolagaet svobodnuyu cirkuliaciyu
informacii i opredelennyi uroven' OBRAZOVANIYA. Ponimaete, eto principial'no!!
Ya Vas prekrasno ponimayu: Vam nravitsya nekotorye dostizheniya kapitalizma v
chasti tehnicheskogo progressa, no hotelos' by satknut' rot nekotorym proho-
dimtsam, kotorye pol'zuyutsya etimi dostizheniyami. Vse eto blizko i ponyatno.
No ya razdrazhayus' dovol'no sil'no kogda menya prinimayut za nedoumka bez
vsyakogo na to osnovaniya i bez vsyakogo dokazatel'stva (mozhet eto i pravda,
no ya hotel by obosnovanie i vosmozhnost' ispol'zovat' kontrdovody). Pochemu Vy
reshili chto ya ne v sostoyanii otlichit' lozh ot istiny. Soglasen, chto eto
ochen', ochen' trudno. No ya sovershenno ne uveren chto Vy delaete eto luchshe.
Moi vyvod osnovyvaettsya na Vashei nesposobnosti vospriniat' fundamental'nye
printsipy demokraticheskogo obshestva, zhelanie vvesti cenzuru i nedoverie k
lyudiam. Ko mne, v chastnosti.
          Artavazd, vtoroe nachalo termodinamiki mozhno sformulirovat' tak:
Nel'zya sozdat' mashinu s K.P.D. ravnym 100%. Eto fundamental'nyi zakon pri-
rody. Vsegda i vezde vy dolzhny zhertvovat' chem-to. Estestvenno chto K.P.D.
nuzhno povyshat', no ne stroit' vechnyi dvigatel' vtorogo roda - eto nevozmo-
zhno. Stalin i Hitler popytalis' eto sdelat', i hotya istoria uchit tomy chto
ona nichemu ne uchit, ne mogu uderzhat'sya ot soveta (vse taki ya iz byvshei
starany sovetov) ne nado ubivat' turok i bykval'no i cherez kill-file i ne
pytaites' ogradit' menya ot plohih dyadei.
        Proshu prosheniya za vysheprivedennuya banal'shinu. Eto dlya menya
zagadka pochemy propisnye istiny dolzhny govorit'sya dazhe obrazovannym
lyudiam.
S uvazheniem,
A.Korotkov
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: RE: Hair and politics in Russia
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:50:13 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:57:52 GMT
>From: Ivan Covdy <covdy@SHEMESH.METAPHOR.COM>
>
>...
>It was me who posted that joke to this newsgroup somewhere in 1990.
>The discovery was on 100% mine

I somewhat doubt your priority, since I've heard that back in SU
at least around Chernenko's times (1984) or even earlier (I can't
recall now). Didn't you keep your
>discovery
>in secrecy :-)
even back then?

D.
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: News from democratic Lithuania
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:21:29 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

UPI reports that:

Lithuanians have banned usage of Polish names for Lithuanian cities.
A Polish official in Vilnius Zbigniew Balcewicz said he will defy the
order.  Polish ethnic community in Lithuania numbers 500,000. They
have become a target for harassment by 3.8 millions of Lithuanians.

UPI:
>       The order also bans the use of Polish names for villages and
> townships where some 500,000 ethnic Poles and their ancestors have lived
> since the 14th Century.
..
>    Lithuanian publications use Lithuanian names for the Polish
> cities. For instance, Krokuva is used for Krakow, and Varsuva for
> Warszawa, the Polish name for Warsaw.


Oleg
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.polish
From: minta@triton (Marek Minta)
Subject: Re: News from democratic Lithuania
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, CIS-AA - Ann Arbor MI, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:22:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.192129.23026@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>UPI reports that:
>
>Lithuanians have banned usage of Polish names for Lithuanian cities.
>A Polish official in Vilnius Zbigniew Balcewicz said he will defy the
>order.  Polish ethnic community in Lithuania numbers 500,000. They
>have become a target for harassment by 3.8 millions of Lithuanians.
>
>UPI:
>>       The order also bans the use of Polish names for villages and
>> townships where some 500,000 ethnic Poles and their ancestors have lived
>> since the 14th Century.
>..
>>    Lithuanian publications use Lithuanian names for the Polish
>> cities. For instance, Krokuva is used for Krakow, and Varsuva for
>> Warszawa, the Polish name for Warsaw.
>
>
>Oleg

I don't know the specifics, but I am sure that there is an international
convention about geographic names, according to which countries have right
to use their own rendition of names of capitals of other countries. This process
goes much further resulting in naming anything on the maps the way we like.

(Eng) New York = (Rus phonetic) Niu Jork = (Pol) Nowy Jork

and New York is not a capital of the USA.

I am sure that Lithuanian cities will be called by their polish name in Poland.
Being Polish myself, I don't mind at all when Lithuanians call their cities in
Lithuanian - even when there is a sizeable polish minority there.

Have fun,

Marek Minta

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 12:53:46 EDT
From: Al Bersbach <BERSBACH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Russian/English translator programs

Hope this an OK place to ask this:  I'd appreciate any info about programs
(preferably PC compatible programs) that translate Russian to English or
vice versa.  Thanks!
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: UNILATERAL MORATORIUM
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 01:34:43 GMT


	I HEREBY URGE ALL THE ARMENIAN PARTICIPANTS OF THE "DISCUSSION"

WITH MUTLU TO REFRAIN FROM ANY POSTINGS IN THIS NEWSGROUP FOR THE PERIOD OF 

ONE WEEK, UNTIL THE 4 OF AUGUST.


	THIS MORATORIUM IS SUPPOSED TO DEMONSTRATE HOW EFFECTIVE IS

SILENCE AS A MEANS OF DEALING WITH THE MUTLU PHENOMENON AND LIBERATING

THIS NEWSGROUP, AS IT WAS CLAIMED BY NUMEROUS AUTHORS.


	I SPECIFICALLY REFER TO MR. DAVIDIAN AND ASK HIM TO IGNORE

THE POSTINGS FOR THE PERIOD OF ONE WEEK. LET US SEE HOW FAR WE GET.
From: edvax@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Weyland Yutani Ltd)
Subject: proposal to make this group moderated
Organization: Ozone Depleting Shoulder Launched Stealth FAXs, Inc.
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:44:43



I would like to hear your opinions on making this newsgroup moderated.
The topics of discussions here would pertain to xUSSR/CIS issues (as
the name of the newsgroup suggests).

--ed

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From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: "Dr. Strangelove or Is the Cold War Really Over?"
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:30:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


There's something called the 'Prisoner's Dilemma'. 

Two prisoners arrested for committing a crime are offered
'deals' by the authorities. If one of them cooperates with
the authorities and admits to the crime he'll get only, say
a three year term. If he doesn't cooperate and gets convicted,
he'll get a longer one, say 10 years. If both prisoners
stonewall, then the state will be unable to get any
convictions and they will both walk away.

What policy should the prisoners pursue ? The logical one
superficially is that they should both stonewall. However,
if one of them stonewalls and the other turns state evidence,
the stonewaller gets the maximumum sentence. So the logical
policy to pursue is to cooperate and get three years each.

The policy of stonewalling is too fraught with danger. The
decision should be based on the minimax principle; the
policy that minimizes the maximum loss.

Unilateral disarmament along with other game-theoretic problems
of this sort are all the Prisoner's Dilemma type problems. Boths
sides will arm, since unilateral disarmament can end in 
a catastrophic loss.

Remember the saying; "Hobble your camel first, then trust in
God."

Arm first, then trust the other side.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.history,soc.culture.europe
From: berne@nova2.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne)
Subject: Re: He Would Ignore Mutlu (was UNILATERAL MORATORIUM)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:04:52 GMT

(David Davidian) writes:
>(Artavazd Khachikian) wrote:
>
>[AK]	I HEREBY URGE ALL THE ARMENIAN PARTICIPANTS OF THE "DISCUSSION"
>[AK]
>[AK] WITH MUTLU TO REFRAIN FROM ANY POSTINGS IN THIS NEWSGROUP FOR THE PERIOD
>[AK]
>[AK] OF ONE WEEK, UNTIL THE 4 OF AUGUST.
>
>It will get nowhere! Postings via "mutlu" have been read on this net for almost
>4 years, and simply having those of us on the rational side of the thought
>process stay silent, will not result in "mutlu" simply "leaving". You assume
>"mutlu" reacts as a normal human -- a bad assumption!

That's true. But what do you suggest?
Although hbm lost his honor in a most humiliating way, I still see tons of
mutlus posts junked by my kill file every morning.
Humiliation did not stop him. His vicious activities are time consuming, too.
Such dedication to his rotted task means the bastard does not post for fun!
He probably gets paid back somehow.

So now the question is: do you really want to have him stopped, or not?
In my opinion, Khachikian's suggestion is a good start.
Still the best way would be to have him convicted for something like
incitation to racial hatred, or revisionism, or whatever.

Any lawyer on the network?

Berne.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: anatoly@igor.tamri.com (Anatoly Tomashevsky)
Subject: Novosti o Pribaltike.
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: y
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:42:46 GMT

Poskol'ku soobschenija Erland Sommarskog o sobitijah v Pribaltike zvuchat
ochen' rasplibchato i ne dajut predstavlenija o faktah ja hotel bi soobschit'
russkojazichnoy net:

ESTONIA. Rossija priostanovila deystvie gosudarstvennogo dogovora s Estoniey.
Ne iskljuchaetsja obraschenie v OON dlja prinjatija ekonomicheskih sankciy.
Prichina - narushenie Estonskoy storonoy pologeniy dogovora (i megdunarodnih
paktov po pravam cheloveka) predusmatrivajuschih prava russkojazichnogo 
naselenija i vzaimnoe priznanie suschestvujuschih granic. 
V chastnosti iz soobscheniy E.S. - tem kto ne grazhdane ne budet obespechena
medicinskaja pomosch,  ne budut platit' posobie po bezrobotice i t.d.
Rossija bila pervoy stranoy kotoraja priznala nezavisimost' Estonii do 
Avgustovskogo putcha.

LATVIJA. Prinjat zakon o grazhdanstve po kotoromu mnogie deputati parlamenta
lisheni svoih polnomochiy. V novih viborah ne smogut prinjat' uchastija 40%
naselenija. 

LITVA. Organizocija "Lesnie brat'ja" pohitila 6 Rossiyskih soldat i oficerov.
Oni bili ne vooruzheni. Posle chego vooruzhennie soldatu sumeli otbit' pohi-
schennih. Pravitel'stvo zajavilo chto ne kontroliruet eti otrjadi.

Poskol'ku uchastilis' sluchai napadenija na Rossiyskih soldat (Pribaltika,
Gruzija, Armenija, Srednjaja Asija) i imejutsja zhertvi Ministerstvo oboroni 
Rossii otdalo prikaz primenjat' oruzhie dlja zaschiti.
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From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: A new abortion law in Poland (from Clarinews)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:20:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul28.185210.18438@infonode.ingr.com> drudetb@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude) writes:
>
>Or maybe 1.5 million abortions a year in a country that has more birth
>control options available than just about anywhere on earth makes some
>people with basic common sense a little sick.

  The only common sense I can see is that the prohibition or
 restriction of abortion will increase doctor's income. That's
 all. You will have exactly (!) the same number of abortions
 but it will cost more. 
  This stupid discussion about abortion has nothing to do neither
 with humanity nor with women's right of choice. It's about money.

 S.B.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Breakup of Czecho-Slovakia (repost from s.c.c-s)
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:31:20 GMT

Mikhail S. Verbitsky (verbit@brauer.harvard.edu) writes:
)	One more gem:
)
))From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
)
))This was heard this morning:
)
))   The president Barwell(?) will declare the resignation next week. He
))was quoted as saying:"the country will be in an unavoidable civil war."
)
)	It seems that this people (and xSU idiots) learned nothing from
)	xYugoslavia demise. Well, the picture is the same: they
)	blame everything on other nation's yoke, then they start
)	to discriminate against this other nation
)	(in some cases it's enough if they just try to get
)	independent), then this other nation starts to fight
)	them, and thus civil war begins.

Yes, the article from poor Zhiqi Zuo is a gem, but for nothing
which you are trying to say. It is a gem, because Zuo was completely
uninformed. He was also corrected in later articles in s.c.c-s,
which you defaulted from reposting.

In case there anyone who has missed it: everyone expects the
Czecho-Slovak breakup to be a peaceful affair. The only ones
who believe differently, are those don't know anything.

)       In Russia there is
)	four regions (Nag. Karabagh, Moldova, Osetia, Abhazia)
)	where this scenario already got into open warfare.

Excuse me, but since when did any of these regions become part of
Russia? (OK, North Ossetia is part of Russia, but that's not where
the fighting is going on.)

)	I bet Estonia and, probably, Krimea will soon join. Who else?
)	Kazakhstan and Ukraine?

Again, Russia???? I wouldn't bet on Estonia if I were you. But if
you insist on Russia, we nice places as Chechen, Tatarstan or why
not Daghestan? According to an article I read in Moscow News, weapons
are really piling up there. With its 30 peoples, Daghestan would Bosnia-
Hercegovina look like a trivial case to sort out.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Dabras Laiks!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Cold War Nostalgia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:01:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

    Sorry about posting two almost identical articles on same subject:
    the local NNTP server died while I was posting the first article
    and I thought the latter would not go through.  

    Alex

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Demokratiya za chuzhoy stchet.(Was: Calm Down)
From: verbit@birkhoff.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:11:15 EDT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <1992Jul24.183615.10742@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>In article <01GMPUFE8F8G009CDZ@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>
>
>	Uvazhaemiy A. Korotkov,
>
>
>	Ne dumayu, shto "fundamentalniye printsipi demokraticheskogo
>obstchestva" predpolagayut sistematicheskuyu i neprerivnuyu 
>vrazhdebnuyu propagandu napravlennuyu protiv moego naroda.
>
>	Proshu obratit' vashe vnimanie na osobennost' temi,
>kotoraya vibrana protivopolozhnoy storonoy dlia etoy propagandi.
>Rech' idet ne o termodinamike, ne o kakikh-to abstraktnikh materiakh,
>a ob istrebleniyi tselogo naroda, s posleduyustchim otritsaniyem
>sovershennogo, i, bolee togo, kontr-obvineniem v ego adres.
>
>	Naskolko mne izvestno, v russkom yazike v takom sluchaye
>upotrebliaetsa slovo "kostchunstvo", eto est publichnoye glumlenie nad pamiatyu
>soten tisiach zhertv. Ya schitayu kostchunstvennim i oskorbitelnim dlia
>sebia besprepiatstvennoye prodolzhenie etogo. I ya ne mogu
>dopustit` shtobi takogo roda publikatsiyi ezhednevno vikhodili v "efir"
>dyuzhinami, vne zavisimosti ot togo, naskolko obrazovannoy yavliaetsa
>dannaya auditoria. Tem bolee, shto u menia est` prichini somnevatsa
>v etom.
>
>	Ya prosil bi dannuyu visokoobrazovannuyu auditoriyu vibrat'
>kakuyu-nibud` druguyu temu dlia uprazhneniya svoikh demokraticheskikh
>printsipov. 
>
>	Shto zhe kasaetsa samoy "diskussiyi", to libo vsia gruppa
>izistchet sredstva dlia eyo prekrastcheniya, libo armianskaya storona budet 
>vinuzhdena otvechat na publikatsiyi M. s posleduyustchim prodolzheniyem
>polnoy degradatsiyi etoy gruppi.
>
>	S uvazheniyem,
>
>
>							Arto.

Ya absolyutno soglasen s Artavazdom. Eto svinstvo, chto mutla
s bratiei pechataet po 20 statei v den' a armyanam zatykayut glotku.
Eshcho bol'shee svinstvo - eto chto lyudi pechatayut stat'i
tipa "armyane ubivali turok, turki armyan, ya soglasen, tol'ko
otstan'te", hotya i ezhu ponyatno chto mutla fashist i chto 
armyan ubivali, a oni - net (v razumnyh predelah). Ya uveren, chto esli
ocherednoi natsionalist stal by pechatat' v tps stat'i pro
to kak evrei ubivali nemtsev (latyshei, ukraintsev, russkih),
mestnye evrei ego tut zhe by zatknuli. Pochemy zhe mutla
zhiviohonek? Ya dumayu, potomu chto my vse (kto chitaet
ego der'movye stat'i i molchit) svin'i, a armyan zdes' slishkom
malo (i odin Arto normal'nyi).

Misha.
From: vadim@thnext.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Vadim Kaplunovsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Novosti iz Demokraticheskoy Estonii
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:21:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.162232.26039@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>  
barabash@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Barabash Alexander) writes:
> ............
> 
> Well, they say that in Israel some years ago emigr'es' cars carried
> license plates of different color. Yet the emigr'es enjoyed full citi-
> zenship status.
> 

Where did you get this story from?  It might be ancient history
(I only got to Israel in 1977), but I think you've confused immigrants
with JDG (Judea, Samaria & Gaza) residents.  All civilian cars
registered in Israel have the same yellow color of plates, without
any distinction between cars owned by Jews or Arabs, new immigrants
or old-timers.  Even East-Jerusalem Arabs (non-citisen residents)
got yellow plates for their cars (although their licence Numbers
were easily identifiable by the police).
Other plate colores were used by military vehicules, police and by
residents of JSG (AKA Israely-occupied territories); the latter
were light blue with a letter indicating the city of residence.

-- Vadim.
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From: Greg Grant <grant@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Thanks!
X-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:56:48 GMT
Organization: LESC
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:56:44 GMT

Many thanks to all who replied to my questions about communications in 
Russia!

-Greg