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From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wheeling Hamfest
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:38:30 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
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Can anyone send me info on this weekend's Wheeling Illinois hamfest?  I am
looking for location, times, talk-in freqs, etc...

Thanks in advance!

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: vjh21@cas.org (Vince Herried ext 2877)
Subject: Re: Computer power supplies and radios.
Organization: CAS
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:04:37 GMT

Not a good idea.

1.  The 150 watt power supply is based on all the outputs, not just the 12 volt output.

2.  Most of the output power is in the 5 volt output.

3.  It is almost guaranteed to be a switching supply, a strong possibility
for generating RF interference.

4.  Switching supplys are very efficient when used on computers, they were
designed that way.  They are less efficient when used to charge batteries
or power radios with widely varing power requirements.

I'm not saying that is is not going to work for you, I'm saying that
you may not get satisfactory results.

I recommend that you go to a ham fest and buy a surplus power supply.
If you use a battery charger you are going to have people complain about
the AC hum on your signal.

Vince
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From: oler@rho.uleth.CA (Cary Oler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 26 January
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:55:48 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 026, 01/26/93
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  PCA-MAX= +2.3DB @ 1755UT     PCA-MIN= -0.3DB @ 0845UT    PCA-AVG= +0.1DB
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: chrisc@biggus.moron.vware.mn.org (Chris Cox  W0/G4JEC)
Subject: Re: Help with an ICOM IC202S
Organization: Twin Cities Metro Area Network, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 11:58:11 GMT

mike@imcldn.demon.co.uk (Michael P Simkins) writes:
> Does anybody know what the mike pinouts are, or the crystals to be used for
> the 'A' and 'B' positions.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mike,

mic socket: Pin 1 mic i/p
                2 ptt
                3 n/c
                4 ground

The crystals depend on you!  Icom had 6 standard crystal options, two of 
which were installed (144.0-144.4).  I will guess that you want 144.4 to
144.6 (mixed-mode) and 145.8-146.0 (space comms).

Well, I'll just post all of the optional crystals that Icom made:

Centre QRG	Fundamental QRG
144.5		14893.28 kHz
144.7		14915.50 kHz
144.9		14937.72 kHz
145.9		15048.83 kHz

All are type HC-25u, and CL = 20pF (load capacitance).

Note that Icom state you will probably need to realign a number of stages if
you install the crystal for the top 200 kHz of the band, in addition to the 
frequency determining caps/coil.

Good Luck!

Chris, W0/G4JEC
(EN34ju - for when you get it going on EME - me too for that matter :-))
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From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:10:57 GMT
Subject: Re: CW Contests at Hamfests
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams) writes:

>WANTED:  information of typical formats for CW contests at local, state,
>         and national hamfests

Years ago, I participated in an interresting CW contest at the Rochester (NY)
hamfest.  They picked a nice slow speed (20 wpm), but gradually increased the
noise level / reduced the signal level as the contest progressed.  
The last person still copying correctly was to be the winner.

I did OK until about 3 minutes before the end I finally gave up.  There were
still about 3 guys madly scribbling when the test finally ended.  At that 
point the umpire admitted that there had been no signal at all present for 
the last 2 minutes of the test!

>as a footnote.  how about tone frequencies?  i know some are going to claim
>tone deaf for some freqs, etc.

Our local club has built a multi-station code test box.  Each headphone jack
has its own separate oscillator with volume and pitch control.  All the
oscillators are keyed simultaneously from a control box.  The control box
includes a circuit that converts the incoming code audio from a tape
recorder into the keying voltage that controls the oscillators.  We
bought a batch of headphones ($2 each) at the SCRA flea market last year,
or the testee can bring his own.  (Both 1/4" and 1/8" jacks provided.)

AL N1AL

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From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Subject: Re: THE most accurate clock
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:03:32 GMT

rlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald K Long) writes:
>elsewhere is that there are similar 60 kHz stations in
>all the countries mentioned, not just WWVB in the USA.

>friend is in Dayton, OH

Ah, that makes a little more sense.  In Littleton, Mass we had an
external antenna and a preamp and we still didn't get WWVB all that
well on our frequency standard reference receiver.

Willie Smith
wpns@pictel.com

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From: skipsand@crash.cts.com (Skip Sanders)
Subject: Re: HTs at Disneyland
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:58:16 PST

Perhaps the SIMPLEST way to deal with a gate guard who YELLS at you is to,
VERY politely, get out a notepad, and ask for his name.  Disney, while
hardassed as all get out about any rule they have set up, is nevertheless
DEATH on rudeness to a guest.  They are supposed to POLITELY inform you of
rules, and politely (if you refuse to obey) escort you out of the park.

A guard who yells at you about something, without provocation from you, is 
headed for BIG trouble with THIER boss, if reported.
From: gt4503e@prism.gatech.EDU (Tracy K. Wood/KD0UP)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IONCAP Propagation Software Upload Wanted.
Summary: MSDOS Version of NTIS software wanted
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:12:52 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

software program for MS-DOS.  The zipped software was about 600K and was
uploaded on to wuarchive.wustl.edu (I think)).

Could someone re-upload the software.  A recent check of the files
on that host showed its absense.

Is source available yet at no charge?   Thanks

Tracy


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From: tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Meteors de W3OTC
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:20:21 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
NNTP-Posting-Host: extender.src.umd.edu

In article <9301230116.AA13126@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov> rc@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (Robert Carpenter) writes:
>I'm happy to see a renewed interst in (at least discussion of) meteor-burst
>communication. As someone may have noted, I was the other end of the contacts
>with Ralph Wallio, W0RPK, a few years ago.  We used 6 meters, 4 to 6 element
>beams and 150-250 W output... but also the worst possible modulation scheme,
>packetizing, etc,  AX.25.  AFSK-FM gives you a huge performance hit to start
>with, and the AX.25 scheme doesn't play well with short bursts.  Some of the
>PSK or QPSK modulation schemes would be a much better start.  I haven't
>followed AMTOR, but some approach that doesn't require whole, long packets to
>be perfect would be a big improvement over AX.25 . Some FEC might be a help.

I'm curious if anyone has tried to use the AEA-1232 DSP modem built in
meteor scatter mode?

-Thomas
 N3HAU


Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: kb7uv@panix.com (Andrew Funk)
Subject: Real Hams...  ALL!
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:23:33 GMT


C'mon, folks, let's cut the crap!

Amateur Radio operators are Amateur Radio operators, period!  The fact
that the requirements for a particular license class doesn't make the
holders of that license any less "hams" than thise who hold other class
licenses.

And the license is the Technician class license, *not* the "no-code
Technician" license!  Let's drop the pejoritive terms, please.

The new requirements for the Tech are a fact.  They're not about to be
changed back, and the holders of Technican class licensees are not about
to give them up.  So give this a little thought...

If you want new Amateurs to learn good operating practices, become active
with existing clubs and organizations, and in general become good "hams"
then talk with them, encourage them, give pointers in a non-abusive
manner, and welcome them to you shack and club meetings.

However, if you'd prefer to see new Amateurs using poor operating
practices, not identify with the rest of the Amateur community, form new
organizations in competition with existing clubs and organizations, and in
general have ill will to other Amateurs then go right ahead and use
pejoritive terms, don't talk with them, etc.

The choice is ours...

Personally I encourage new amateurs to feel a full part of the existing
Amateur commuinity.  I try to welcome every Amateur I hear with a new
callsign.  I invite them to club meetings, and I push the clubs I'm part
of to have programs of interest to the newly licensed.  I invite new hams
to my shack.  Above all, I make no distinction between Amateurs based upon
their license class beyond those imposed upon us by regulation.

Think about it.  If we continue, as a group, to alienate Technician class
Amatuers we may well find that they soon have their own national
organization and that they outnumber those of us with higher license
classes.  Is this really what we want?

---
If you're in the Metro NYC area, particularly in Northern New Jersey,
you're invited to participate in the activities of the Radio Amateur
Telecommunications Society (RATS).  All are welcome, regardless of license
class -- even those without licenses are welcome.

73, Andy
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: Any other W9RG DSP Filter users on the Net ?
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:43:29 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jon Bloom (jbloom@arrl.org) wrote:
: In rec.radio.amateur.misc, wvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William E Van Horne) writes:
: >     3.  The only real problem I had was mounting the LED bar display
: >     on the front panel.  
: 
: An even easier way is to use a standard 20-pin solder-type IC socket, and
: bend one row of pins (pins 1-10) outward at a 90-degree angle.  Install the
: socket in the board, then solder bus wire (or clipped resistor leads) to
: connect pins 11-20 to the holes in the board.  Here's a side view of the
: result:
:                __
:   socket -->  |  |--\   
:    for  --->  |  |   \ <- bus wire
:    LEDs --->  |__|_   \
:                  =|====|====================== <- PC board

Aries makes a socket like that.  Digi-key sells them.

Kind of expensive, thought.  $5.13 for the 20 pin @ .3 spacing.
Must be the gold plating.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com
From: ralexander@irnbru.enet.dec.com (Robin Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Where can I find FAQ or US Licensing info?
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:30:36 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hi hope you can help.

I have a non-licenced friend in the San Francisco area who 
is interested in Ham Radio and would like to know how he 
can go about getting a license. I`m not too familiar with 
the licensing system in the states,

can anyone help ? 
Does the FAQ cover this ? if so is there an archive site for it?

Thanks 

Robin Alexander

ampr     	: gm4yed@gb7san.gb.eu
internet 	: ralexander@irnbru.enet.dec.com

Entry Level Systems Product Business Unit,
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: RSUMPERL@JAGUAR.ESS.HARRIS.COM (05991 SUMPERL RP)
Subject: Info needed on BC779B & R270/FRR surplus
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:13:34 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: Harris Information Systems Division

Can someone please post or email me some info on the following surplus
receivers....BC779B and R270/FRR .


                                   Thanks much,
                                      Ray
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: What To Do About Intermod
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:48:35 GMT

It depends whether or not the receive trouble is true
intermodulation from signal mixing or spurious receive due to
receiver overload.  In cases of signal overload, a tuned cavity or
trap stub line can be used to reduce the passband going into the
receiver or null out the offending signal.  Consult an antenna
desgin book for ideas.

HTs have wide band receive and easilty torn up by spurious receive
when operated with high gain antennas.  Using a mobile receiver
with a non DC-to-light passband and larger, higher Q tank circuits
than can be had in micro HTs is strongly recommended for mobile use.

73,
Bill


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From: RGS%MHCC@gfimda.UUCP (Robert G. Schaffrath)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FM broadcast station sidebands
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:33:32 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Subject: FM broadcast station sidebands

Dave,

What you are referring to as FM "Sidebands" is in fact sub-carriers.  The
service you are referring to is called SCA (Subsidiary Communications Act or
something like that) which runs on a carrier 67Khz down from the main channel. 
On a normal FM stereo signal, you will find a stereo pilot carrier at
approximately 16.75 Khz down and the Left and Right information at around
33.5Khz down.  The SCA signal is optional on the part of the FM station.  Years
ago I picked up an SCA decoder kit from Lafayette Radio.  I still have it and
it works.  Mostly you will find Elevator Music, Reading for the Blind, 
electronic data, and Foreign Language programs.  Note that you need a very good
antenna to receive these signals (just like stereo).  The circuit for such a
receiver is quite simple and the one I have uses an NE565 PLL chip.  It
connects into the receiver prior to the de-emphasis network which is most
likely an RC filter. It's purpose is to filter out the SCA, stereo pilot and
anything else that happens to be out of the range of human hearing.  Finally,
stereo television works much the same way.  The SAP channel on TV is the rough
equivalent of SCA on a television.  The only difference is that the stereo
pilot is 15.75Khz (horizontal line frequency) down, the stereo information is
31.5Khz down, and the SAP is at 63Khz (all multiples of the pilot carrier).

I hope some of this makes sense.  If you are interested, for an SASE, I can
send you a copy of the schematic and instructions for the Lafayette receiver
that I have.  It isn't terribly difficult to build.

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From: gerard@n0prq.ARasmith.COM (gerard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Icom W21AT?
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:46:10 GMT
Organization: Columbia, MO
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Has anyone out there got info on the new Icom W21AT HT?  It looks really
good, and I'm in the market for a dual-band HT....
Thanks, and 73's de N0PRQ
From: Peter.Rojsel@maxlab.lu.SE (Peter Rojsel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: THE most accurate clock
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:56:49 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
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Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Willie Smith ,wpns@pictel.com 
writes:

>Isn't there a signal broadcast around Germany (my brain says it's VHF,
>though I don't know why) that performs the same function as WWVB in
>the States?  Lots of folks make clocks for that signal over there, and
>since it's a smaller country geographically you can actually receive
>the signal inside houses and stores without any external antennas.

You have only one letter wrong, the frequency is 77.5 kHz which actually 
is VLF. The transmitter is called DCF-77. One of the purposes of this signal 
is (at least it has been) for the German railroad to get an accurate clock 
for all railway stations. It is quite simple to make a good receiver for 
this signal, and a decoder consists of no more than a dozen standard CMOS 
chips if you only want to read the time. The transmitted signal contains 
year, month, date, weekday, hour and minute information. You have to count 
the seconds yourself from the provided second pulses. There is also a mark 
for the passage of second 0. The signal is locked to I think 8 or 10 cesium 
atomic clocks whose signals are weighed to provide the best accuracy possible. 
As you probably know the definition of one second is based on the resonance 
behaviour of the cesium atom. 
The transmitter is located somewhere in the south of Germany and the 
transmissions are heard in a large part of Europe. I think the range is about 
2000km. 

Peter, SM7LEK, <Peter@maxlab.lu.se>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: levy@levy.fnal.gov
Subject: New Ham! Need Radio!
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:22:46 GMT

Well, my license showed up yesterday (N9RXF), and I'm in need of a radio (I've
been lurking on the local repeaters with my scanner, I didn't see any point in
spending money on a xmitter until I could use it).  I would like, to start out,
a dual-band HT covering 2 & 10 meters.  Any good (but not necessarily 
expensive) suggestions?

================================================================================
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From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: illegals (was: Re: Radio Shack Business Band Radio)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:00:33 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <lm8cvkINN9c3@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>It may be that the employee is a licensed ham (or less good, but
>possible, some other employee on premises).  The manager of the store
>I visit most frequently is a long time ham.  If said ham is around he
>or she may act as control operator while anyone with our without a
>license uses the radio.

Yabut don't you still have to use the call somewhere in the QSO?  In
the original message I don't recall the salesperson doing any ID...

Willie Smith
wpns@pictel.com

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government funding for looking for the nothing in the void where The
Bang caused the hole in the middle of it all" Frank Hayes - Cosmos.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Marge Simpson's sister is a ham!
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:44:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.143403.16112@crd.ge.com> mallick@crd.ge.com writes:

>I don't know how many of you caught "The Simpsons" last night, but during one  
>scene when Marge's cigarette-puffing, Gorgon-like sister is lamenting her  
>lonely life and lack of a child, she says something like "I still have my ham  
>radio".  The picture shifts to a radio with a zillion knobs with some  
>foreign-sounding voice coming out of the speaker; the
>translation sub-title said "I have a ham radio."

Two weeks ago on Beverly Hills 90210, there was a scene early in the show where  
Brandon and Dillon were chatting next to their lockers.  An adjacent locker had  
a Yaesu sticker on it.  Very subtle ham reference, if it is. 

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