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From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 08 Sep 92 16:46 PDT
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU NIGGERS
Nf-ID: #R:Bu8IF6.3un@news.cso.uiuc.edu:-766027629:cdp:1471600042:000:357
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Sep  8 16:46:00 1992


I am not sure that pointing this out serves much purpose. We all know
that there are racist individuals on the network. Engaging the original
poster of the message in discussion or dialogue won't probably do much
good or change anything.

I looked for the original posting in the conf: misc.forsale.computers
and didn't see it anywhere.......

Debra Guzman
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Review: _We Were Always Free_
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:29:15 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Originator: barnhart@gagme

This is in reply to simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon), who wrote:
:
:	There's an article in Time magazine (last week) and National
:Geographic that examine the African American experience with Africans
:today. This topic needs to be covered in a book.
:

I'd humbly suggest it needs also to be covered in real life.
In our church we have found ourselves with two groups that emerged
from different people's initiatives in the past year.  One is headed
up by a Zimbabwean couple who would like more Africans to come visit
and be part of our community-centered church.  Another is headed up
by two pastors, one African American, one white, and the group is
mixed, full of people who want to bring issues of "racial reconciliation"
to the fore in our church and public lives.

Now the people in both groups are thinking, "Hm.  Why are we a separate
group from *them?*"  I mean, these are pretty typical people.  Bringing
Africans squarely into our midst -- or should I say, letting them
"break in" to our midst -- is both a challenging and a very attractive
idea, to white Americans of course, but also to African Americans.

But the moral of the story is, the instinct (including in my church,
including in my heart) is to think of them as "on the outside,"
until it's pointed out that we're not exactly being true to the
community principles we gladly extend to any white person!

-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:46:01 -0400 
From: Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Republican Party Welcomes African Americans

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 14-Sep-92 The
Republican Party Welcom.. by Vignes Gerard M@ucs.usl. 
>                     :-D  YOU ARE STILL THE BEST  :-D
> 
>         And we're still here, and we want you to join us  :-)
>  
> 
>                 Come aboard!  There's Plenty of Room!
> 
>  
>                 Hap-py days are here a-gain!
>                 The sky a-bove is clear a-gain!
>                                 ...
>  
>         (A public service anouncement of Radio Free Lafayette)

Hmm.  Do you blow or base?

DCAL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:28:04 GMT

 
        Hola Folks,
 
        Me llamo Gilberto y soy el co-chair de La Causa, el grupo Latino de
Amherst College. I am writing to tell people about a computer mailing list
which was started last semester to try to foster communication between Latino
students (as well as other interested people) across the country. The list has
been relatively successful and has over a hundred subscribers around the world.
        People have used it to share information about social/academic events
held on college campuses, scholarship and research opportunities for Latino/
Hispanic students, and current events connected to Latinos, both in the United 
States and in Latin America.
        The intended focus is on issues of concern to Latino students, but
anyone's input or participation is welcome. The membership is diverse and 
includes people of many different nationalities and occupations. Several members
have connections with other Latino organizations and computer networks and so
this list can give its membership access to a wide range of quick, reliable
information.
        If the list continues to grow, it has the potential to create a large
network of students accross the country and facilitate the progress of la raza.
Its strenth depends on an increasing membership who can take advantage of the
possibilities of electronic communication.  
 
        If you are interested in becoming a subscriber to this e-mailing list,
or if you have comments for thelist administrator,  all you have to do is send
a note to the following address:
 
        LATINO-L-REQUEST@AMHERST.EDU 
and say that you want to join.
 
        While you are subscribed, if you want to send a message to the entire 
membership of the list (like a piece of interesting news, a question you might 
have, an announcement that might benefit Latino students etc.) then write to:
 
        LATINO-L@AMHERST.EDU
 
        In case you are not interested, please forward this file to someone who
you think might want to participate; in that way, you can at least help the list
grow and develop.
 
Hasta Pronto
        -Gilberto
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 07 Sep 92 08:40 PDT
Subject: SOMALIA: As if hunger is not bad en
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471600041:000:1976
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Sep  7 08:40:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: SOMALIA: As if hunger is not bad en

/* Written  7:41 pm  Sep  6, 1992 by kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "SOMALIA: As if hunger is not bad en" ---------- */
Excerpts from the AP:

   U.N. Warns Of Toxic-Waste Dumping   
     In Somalia As U.S. Sends Aid      
                 ---
    NAIROBI, Kenya - The U.N.
environment chief said Italian
companies plan to profit from Somalia's
chaos by shipping toxic waste there,
according to a report Sunday.
    The move further threatens health
in the devastated nation.
 [..............]
    The claims involving toxic waste by
Mostafa Tolba, head of the
Nairobi-based U.N. Environmental
Program, were reported in the
English-language Sunday Nation
newspaper and confirmed by an aide.
    Tolba said Italian companies are
building two incinerators to be
installed in Somalia that would handle
at least two 550,000-ton shipments of
toxic waste next year for an estimated
profit of $4 million to $6 million.
    Tolba said that to protect his
sources he wouldn't identify the
Italian companies or say where they
planned to ship the waste.
    The Italian companies are taking
advantage of Somalia's lack of
government and general instability,
said Tolba.
    Tolba reportedly made his remarks
during an address Friday at the
International Center for Research in
Agroforestry.
    Tolba said the dumping could
aggravate the destruction of Somalia's
ecosystem and threaten further loss of
life in the ravaged nation, where tens
if not hundreds of thousands already
have died from the combined effects of
drought and warfare.
    It wasn't possible to get comment
from Tolba, whose office wouldn't
release his home telephone number.
    Italian government officials in
Rome also weren't immediately available
for comment.
[............]

-- 
Internet: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Bitnet:   kautaj@iubacs.bitnet         
Uucp:     kautaj@iubacs.uucp
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Remembering Steele
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:31:14 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <1992Sep13.153416.22421@m.cs.uiuc.edu> carroll@cs.uiuc.edu  
(Alan M. Carroll) writes:
> In article <1992Sep12.165127.16223@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu>,  
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:
> > In article <1992Sep11.204336.24642@morrow.stanford.edu>  
> >      So what did the faculty use as an "argument" to justify their  
taking  
> > control of the study hall? Property rights? Some bizarre technicality?
> 
> Probably the most recent Civil Rights Act. Restricting a public
> facility based on race is illegal. The only thing the original poster
> mentioned them doing to the study hall was removing that restriction -
> "made it accessible to everybody".

     So basically it was property rights, in this case public property as  
opposed to private property. Restricting public property based on race IS  
illegal, no doubt about it. The tone of Gabrielle's post seemed to imply  
that there was more going on than simply ensuring that non-blacks could  
use the study hall, i.e. enter the room, sit down, and study. It sounded   
like there had been some sort of attempt by the faculty to coerce the  
black students to help non-black students, which would also be illegal.
So I was curious.
     The mistake the black grad students made was saying "let's put  
together an English study hall for black folk who need help". Instead,  
what they should have done was make it more informal, i.e. they should  
have just approached black students who were clearly having academic  
problems and said: "Hey, some of us are trying to get an English study  
group going. Would you like to join us?" This would have placed the study  
hall, uh, I mean, study group :-) under the protection of freedom of  
association, thereby enabling blacks to help other blacks, i.e. practice  
the self-help that many white folk constantly preach about, without  
running afoul of the Civil Rights Act.
  
> -- 
> Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J.  
Ockerbloom
> Epoch Development Team   
> Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" -  
Susan

Arthur Johnson
johnson.offroad.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:29:14 GMT

This is in reply to HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels), who wrote:
:In article <1992Sep10.151722.12328@cs.ucla.edu>,
:stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
:>
:>I was talking about things like ethical and moral certitude,
:>courage, and like that, not technology. I am more interested in
:>the inner qualities they showed in successfully conducting a
:>protracted armed struggle that probably had a lot to do with
:>the timing of the collapse of the Soviet Empire. Those qualities
:>are not usually present in the kind of people who move and shake
:>our (decadent) culture.
:.
:<other stuff deleted>
:.
:Ohhhhhh, no.  Not that "God is on our side" bullshit.  Code words!
:Code words!  I'm sure the Ayatollah Helms says that stuff, too.
:Watch your words, little Stevie.
:
:Like I said, nothing wrong with trying to keep your autonomy as a
:nation.  But sheesh.  Get a grip.

Ay!  Now wait a minute!

By your measure, Ralph Ellison fired off way too many "code words"
to make _Invisible Man_ a credible (or even, in some circles,
tolerable) text.  Just because James Hitchcock, Norman Lear, Pat
Robertson, and I all refer to "secular humanism" doesn't mean all
four of us define (i.e., constrain or "pejor") or appreciate it
the same way.  And of course, then, there's "family values," now
appearing in its third consecutive presidential election campaign.

I am a Christian and a pacifist but I *know* what Steven is talkin
about.  I think the muj were underestimated by the realpolitikers
in the U.S. Govt (or any regime that funded them, for that matter).
We *do* live in a decadent culture and just because the GOP mullahs
appropriate the scare words that conjure up a godless society don't
mean it ain't there (and that *they're* as godless as anyone in
their war- and fear-mongering).

Do I perfectly make my clear self?


-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Berzerkley
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:57:28 GMT

Some disturbing stuff coming out of the People's Republic of
Berkeley lately...
.
Along with the activists "taking it to the streets" in the wake
of the Rosebud Denovo shooting, there has been some nightly
incidents on Telegraph Avenue in which youngsters from outside
the community have been spreading out, smashing windows and
looting, and beating up people who happened, unluckily, to be
there.  The police have identified the hoods as being
predominantly black--I think it's because those are the ones they
are arresting--but news reports say otherwise.  The merchants
along Telegraph have just about "had it" about the
permissiveness, so they say, of the Berzerkley cops in not
protecting their property.  Apparently, the young hoods are not
motivated by program or anything, just kicking ass.
.
Shades of happenings to come?  Or just some pre-school tantrum?

I must say I'm rather riled at the prospect of seeing boarded up
bookstores like Cody's (which had one of its windows blown up
during the "Satanic Verses" controversy a couple of years ago),
Moe's and Shakespeare & Co. act as if they were circling the
wagons.
.
I don't know whether you Angelenos knew this, but up here, malls
and other shopping centers closed up tight for a day or so, after
a couple of windows were smashed in suburbia and downtown San
Francisco suffered a riot in solidarity as it were, with the
black and Chicano homies down south.
.
Anybody got any first hand views or commentary about this mess?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Subject: Re: Lee:Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:32:23 GMT

In article <stovall.715980119@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu  
(Steven Stovall) writes:
> 
> This is the viewpoint [wrt homosexuality] of MUSLIMS who believe in  
QURAN. I was trying to
> express the viewpoint of Malcolm since at the end he was a MUSLIM who
> believed in QURAN. I was not trying to slam anything down anyone's  
throat.
> Why is everyone so upset? This is a view held by a lotta brothers and
> sisters all over the world. It just violently clashes with the paradigm
> of Western intellectualism. Of course, Western intellectuals are so
> much better equipped to deal with these matters than, say, the  
Mujahedeen
> who kicked Russian ass in Afghanistan.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Uh, Steve, isn't it true that the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan were only  
able to defeat the Russians after they started getting all those huge  
American arms shipments (especially surface-to-air missles) on a regular  
basis? And isn't it true that the credo of the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan  
was really "In Reagan and CIA influence we trust"?
 
 _________________________________________________________________________ 
______
> 
> steven stovall
> stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
> (310) 825-7307

Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:16:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Originator: barnhart@gagme

This is in reply to stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall), who wrote:
:HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
:
:>The Muj (as that crypto-fascist David Horowitz called them) may have
:>kicked Russkie ass out of Afghanistan, but I still have major
:>problems with them, as I do with Islam, around women's issues. Same
:>with Iran, but of course, the wrong types of women went there trying
:>to get Iranian women to eschew the chador...Betty Friedan for one.
:
:Shoulda sent Cammie Fay Paglia :-) Anyway, the Sufi women from Iran
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*This* is a new one on me.  Do academics get a tabloid
that I don't know about (besides, of course, Spy)?

She has been featured in the past year in the New Re ... ahem,
THE NEW REPUBLIC and mm mm mmmm, she is a trip.

-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.131657.13727@gagme.chi.il.us>,
barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>This is in reply to stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall), who wrote:
>:HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>:
>:>The Muj (as that crypto-fascist David Horowitz called them) may have
>:>kicked Russkie ass out of Afghanistan, but I still have major
>:>problems with them, as I do with Islam, around women's issues. Same
>:>with Iran, but of course, the wrong types of women went there trying
>:>to get Iranian women to eschew the chador...Betty Friedan for one.
>:
>:Shoulda sent Cammie Fay Paglia :-) Anyway, the Sufi women from Iran
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>*This* is a new one on me.  Do academics get a tabloid
>that I don't know about (besides, of course, Spy)?
>
>She has been featured in the past year in the New Re ... ahem,
>THE NEW REPUBLIC and mm mm mmmm, she is a trip.
.
.
I cannot STAND Cammie Fay Paglia, and her new book is just more
self-promotion and mean, and I mean, MEAN spiritedness.  Ignore this
bitch, which is what Gloria Steinem and Susan Sontag, her primary
targets, are doing.  I'll be posting a review of her stuff to little
Stevie Stovall...you wanna copy?
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:45:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0egYXIW00WBNI3DYQN
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 11-Sep-92 Re:
Clinton, Jesse Jackson,.. by ;;;;7202@violet.berkeley 
> }to the election, Clinton is looking for a more balanced approach and an
> }embracing of Jesse, I hope so.  This is crucial to get a high turn-out
> }and assure a win.
>  
> Must Clinton embrace Jesse to ensure a high African American voter turnout?
> I'd hate to think Jesse has that much control over us.

I agree.  I think Clinton did right in not pandering to Jackson.  

Naive I may be, but I cannot help but like the way he's running his campaign.
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:15:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YegooJu00WBO01XHIK
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 13-Sep-92 Re:
Clinton, Jesse Jackson,.. by HARRIS, DUANE J@zeus.tam 
> y is it a poor man steals 30$ from a convient store and threatens 1 maybe too
> people gets 7-10 years in prison (real prison not club fed)
> and a rich man steals millions and desimates the life styles of millions

BTW I came across an interesting figure the other day... those covicted
of robbery receive an average sentence of 7 some years.  Those in the S
& L scandal are getting about 2.5 (when they ARE prosecuted).

DCAL`
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Lee:Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:43:35 GMT


In article <stovall.715980119@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>, stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
|> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:
|> 
|> Of course. But you cant be a MUSLIM if you dont see anything wrong
|> with it. I was *not* implying that a MUSLIM cant experience homosexual
|> desire or even succumb to it. I *was* saying that a MUSLIM cannot condone
|> a homosexual lifestyle.

"homosexual lifestyle".  There is no such thing, just as 
there is not a "black lifestyle".

|> Of course, Western intellectuals are so
|> much better equipped to deal with these matters than, say, the Mujahedeen
|> who kicked Russian ass in Afghanistan.

I bet they would have kicked a lot less Russian ass
without the weapons designed and provided by
western intellectuals.

And what does the ability to aim and fire a stinger
missile have to do with anything else?

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
From: pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (ALVES)
Subject: Re: Ota Benga - The Pygmy in the Zoo [concerning the book]
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.100658.202749@uctvax.uct.ac.za>, mark@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes...
>[...] Apparantly Europeans
>not so long ago regarded the original inhabitants as annimals, and used to
>hunt them down, kill them and keep body parts as exhibits in the same way
>a hunter might keep an annimals horns, skin, etc.  They had a particular
>facination with genitalia.  Not on display at the SA Museum is apparantly
>a human head in a glass bottle.  In the reports referred to above was 
>mention of a German group who came over about 100 years ago and hunted
>down and massacred an entire tribe/clan for a museum exhibition in Europe
>somewhere, and it was mentioned that while there was a lot of this, there
>is apparantly still one on exhibition somewhere (France I think).
> [...]

I don't know if this the one you refer, but in a small village near 
Barcelona, Spain, there is an "exhibit" of a black man's dead body.
Recently, this was at the center of a polemic, as state and regional 
authorities wanted to remove the body from the display but the local 
(village) authorities refused. I don't know what finally happened.
Of course, none of them would have thought about this if it weren't
the Olympics and people from all over the world (including Africans)
going to Catalonia. They must have felt really pressured.

---Rui
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:41:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MedzEyy00iUx86dOdG
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 3-Sep-92 Re: Women
Bashing by Dowdy Jackson@tochtli.bi 
> >Maybe.  My personal experience is that I meet an awful lot of women who
> >have been dogged out by brothers in a variety of ways.  This is not all
> >women or all men... however, there is enough of thi shappening to be a
> >serious problem...
> >
> >DCAL
>  
> Women in general get dogged by men anyway. Its not just a sole duty of 
> black men. Black women dog black men as well. The point is that just
> because a black women was not treated with the respect she deserves from
> a black man doesn't mean that the next black man won't treat her the way 
> she wants to be treated. 
>      The whole process of dating will have some people that hurt the other
> person's feelings in one way or another. That doesn't mean that the hurt
> person should just give up on dating totally.

Most assuredly!  I have come across numerous young women who are in need
of some major ideological changes...

That being said, my original intent was to point out the that painting
black men as free of sexism is erroneous.  We ALL subscribe or are
affected by this every day... 

DCAL
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