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From: dserpico@rodan.acs.syr.edu ("Dean J. Serpico")
Subject: Re: Herb Alpert on Tonight Show!
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 00:00:50 EDT

As per your post, I too saw Herb Alpert's performance on the Tonight Show.
I studied jazz trumpet at Ithaca College and have been performing trumpet for 
15 years. Mr. Alpert was an embarassment to all Jazz trumpet players.  His
embusure sucks, his tone is horrid, his jazz licks are non-existent, and his
singing...well, he thinks he is the next thing to Chet Baker...Now that Chet 
is dead he thinks he can take his place. Yeah, Chet plays simple, however, he 
played with class. Herb can not come close to the impecable style of Chet 
Baker.  Do us all a favor Herb, stick to producing albums.  I will sleep
alot better knowing that I won't have to listen to your crap in the mornings.
I have two words for Herb Alpert...Roy Hargrove...I think you here me knocking
and I'm about to come in...and I'm bringing Roy Hargrove, Chet Baker, Miles
Davis, Branford, Winton, and Ellis Marsellis with me. 

								James P. Serpico
From: seo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (seo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: WANTED: Miles reunion tour info
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:38:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin


Does anybody have any info about the Miles reunion tour schedule?

More specifically, is the group coming to Texas or New Orleans?

Mike Seo
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: A few new cds (for James Barnett)
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:56:48


> glazer@spot.Colorado.EDU (James Barnett) writes:

> I'm really enjoying Matthew Shipp's playing - I've heard his name
> before but have not heard his playing.  Anybody have more info on
> him?

This is the only (co-led) date I have. Its a duet w/ altoist Rob
Brown.  It is very nice and includes a long, free-ish suite Sonic
Explorations in 6 parts plus Oleo and Blue In Green.

Shipp, Matthew - Sonic Explorations                      (CadenceJazz 1988, LP)

I've seen Shipp a play a couple of times and hanging out @ the
KnitFact *all* the time w/ Kevin Whitehead, Steve Dalachinsky etc.
The most *out* date was in Jemeel Moondoc's Jus Grew Orchestra (which
eventually became a quintet) and held residence @ the NuYorican
Poets' Cafe for many months. His playing w/ Moondoc was more in the
Cecil vein of whom he is an unabashed disciple. However, and thus was
a story I heard @ the NuYorican, when Cecil and Shipp met Shipp cited
Bill Evans as a great influence. Apparently at that point, Cecil, in
his vitriolic style, responded: "that's why I've never listened to
you and never will!" :-) Of course, the Cecil-Evans story goes back
to Cecil's liners in NEFERTITI, THE BEAUTIFUL ONE HAS COME.

Shipp also played in Roscoe Mitchell's 6tet in last year's What Is
Jazz Festival @ KnitFact. I missed that date but by all accounts it
was very good, albeit straighter than most expected.

Most recently, I was chatting w/ him while he was plugging the new
David S. Ware CD in front of Lars, the owner of Silkheart, who
happened to be in town from Sweden. Ware's 4tet did play the KnitFact
in Dec, 1991. Hopefully, we'll see Matthew Shipp on his own Silkheart
date soon.

/sandeep
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	-- Edgard Varese
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Last Train to Clarksville (was Re: train song tape finished)
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:23:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.bluenote
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <92253.162333WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
|In article <1992Sep9.163602.15331@athena.cs.uga.edu>, rholmes@athena.cs.uga.edu
|(Robb Holmes) says:
|>
|>In article <92253.082010WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
|>WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
|>>I was under the impression that the Clarksville referred to in the Monkees
|>>first single was an induction center (all you old guys out there, remember
|>the
|>>draft?) with the singer on his way to military service and perhaps a war
|>zone.

|>Hmm.  Just when did that record come out, anyway?  Was Clark Clifford still
|>Secretary of Defense?  Is that how they came up with the equation:
|>Clarksville = induction center?
 
Lost in all this "Was last train to Clarksville about the draft" is that
it is actually a pretty good song.

|Why the hell am I posting this to rec.music.bluenote?  Honest, I only listen
|to jazz and the blues these days.  Really.
 
We'll you're also posting it to rec.music.folk.


My old roommate used to cover this song when he had Marc Bonilla playing
in his band.  Marc is a guitarist ala Steve {Morse, Satriani, Vai} that
recently released an album on Warner Brothers.  He did some incredible 
acoustic guitar work on that song.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
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From: rdz@cci632.cci.com (Robert D. Zarcone)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Last Train to Clarksville (was Re: train song tape finished)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:32:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Consoles Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <92253.082010WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>I was under the impression that the Clarksville referred to in the Monkees
>first single was an induction center (all you old guys out there, remember the
>draft?) with the singer on his way to military service and perhaps a war zone.
>The tune was released during the Viet Nam era and many of the lyrics seem to
>indicate imminent induction, eg. the last line of the refrain "And I don't know
>if I'm ever coming home."
>
Well, since I'm one of those old guys, I guess I can take a stab at this you
young whipper snapper :-).  (Actually, I was still in high school but close
enough)

This may have been true, but there was no commentary on it at the time.
And it's hard to believe that an "establishment" group like the Monkees
would have done an anti-war song, at least not in 1966.

I think it's just one of those tragic love songs, but my psychedelic period
that followed this song's release may have erased those brain cells!  :-)

Rob Z.
From: exubma@exu.ericsson.se (Bassam Madi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Milton Nacsimento and Wayne Shorter on Bravo.
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:00:45 GMT
Reply-To: exubma@exu.ericsson.se (Bassam Madi)
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems

Milton Nasimento and Wayne Shorter will be on Bravo this Friday.
Too bad I can't get Bravo where I live :-(
Bassam
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From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:16:44 GMT
Subject: Re: ex ECMers (Re: Gary Burton fans?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote

In rec.music.bluenote, hellers@wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:

> >   I continue to be blown away by Jack DeJohnette.  
> 
> If you want to be "un-blown-away", check out his album ZEBRA, which
> features Lester Bowie.

Yeah, but isn't that about 5-10 years old?  And on ECM at that?

Anyhow, I mean the groups with Greg Osby and Gary Thomas ("Audio Visualscapes",
"Earth Walk", at least one other.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Sabatella           Winner, 1992 First Annual Bill Evans Lookalike Contest
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Ahmad Jamal (& the Crouch)
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:47:22 GMT
	<1992Sep10.155333.11429@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY


> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

> Funny you should say that, because it seems that Miles really liked
> Ahmad Jamal and was influenced by him.  (Ian Carr makes the full list
> of songs that Miles picked up after Jamal did them). 
[...]
> So, yes, Ahmad Jamal was pretty influential, in a quiet sort of way.
> I wouldn't burn Crouch in effigy for *this* statement.
> 
> Hey -- I admit -- I really like Jamal.  A couple of years ago I said
> on the net that I'd write him in for the Downbeat hall of fame and the
> net.wisdom almost crushed me with abuse...

Now we wouldn't crush you w/ abuse on any score would we? :-)
Actually, a minor nugget of info that I found interesting and, if
true, saddening was John Gilmore's allegation in a WIRE interview
from over a year ago. Apparently, Jamal used to sit in a phone-booth
outside (or near) the club (DeLisa?) in Chicago when the Arkestra was
playing and ripped of some tunes that became "hits" for Jamal. Well,
so musicians are given to human frailty too...

/sandeep
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smehta@nynexst.com
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"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs."
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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: rup@pdib37 (Ruppert Georg (IMPRO))
Subject: Jazz in Brussels
Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:26:51 GMT

I will be in Brussels from 17.9. to 20.9. and wanted to ask whether there
will be some jazz sessions during that time.
Information on good second hand record stores will also be very much 
appreciated.
Thank you in advance.

Best regards, 
Georg.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Hendrix At Maui
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  9 Sep 92 23:28:26 GMT

chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:

>There are several releases from these Rainbow Bridge shows, but most recently
>there have been the two Swinging Pig releases of the two shows Hendrix played
>(the recordings aren't from the soundcheck).

I wonder if this is the same music; I seem to recall once hearing that the
original bootleg was an artifact of a "soundcheck", but my definition of a
"soundcheck" wouldnt produce an hour's worth of jamming.

>These are called, I think
>"Last American Concert VolI" and "Last American Concert VolII". The first one
>is the first show (where Hendrix is very stoned and sloppy) where they play
>numbers such as Voodoo Chile, Purple Haze, Hey Baby/In From the Storm, Hear My Train,
>Foxey Lady, Stone Free. The second one is the second show and is excellent. Here he
>plays his Flying V and plays Dolly Dagger/Instrumental Solo, Red House, Jam Back
>at the House, Straight AHead, Hey Baby/Midnight Lightn', Freedom and Ezy Ryder.

Some of the stuff named definitely shows up on the vinyl, but the key tracks
were extended instrumentals, one of which appeared in a lame, studio version
under some title on one of the lame, posthumous LP's (Midnight Lightning?)
The other was a descendant of the great Woodstock instrumental.

>The swinging pig releases have been No-Noised and are very good quality. Tracks have
>appeared also on records such as "Can't Use My Name" and "Incident at Rainbow Bridge".

"Incident At Rainbow Bridge" sounds like the title of the vinyl bootleg
I'm describing.

>Badly edited footage from the first show appears in the film Rainbow Bridge for about
>20mins. DO NOT BUY this video because it is crap, but it is worth trying to borrow 
>and have a look at.

I've rented it a couple of times just to see and hear the brief, mangled
performances. The rest of it is definitely crap (except maybe for the
Hendrix stream-of-consciousness monolog about the cosmic watering hole).

At any rate, I've always claimed that the music that appears on this
vinyl bootleg, for whatever reason, is lightyears beyond the other stuff
that was recorded during that chaotic last year (I did see him at the
Forum in Spring, 1970, and had that bootleg for years, but there is no
comparison).
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mongeau@NMC.ED.RAY.COM (Michael Mongeau)
Subject: Re: I am curious about Grant Geissman
Organization: Equipment Division, Raytheon Company
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:24:57 GMT

In article <j+wnxh_.carhart@netcom.com> carhart@netcom.com (Raymond E. Carhart) writes:
>
>So my question is, does anyone know the background of the Grant Geissman
>who's signed?  And if it might be the same guy?
>

Grant Geissman played with Chuck Mangione for a number of years.  
That's all I know about him.  


 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Mike Mongeau                           Raytheon Equipment Division
   mongeau@nmc.ed.ray.com                                Marlboro, MA
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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: Bobby McFerrin
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:14:25 GMT

In article <17570391@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:
>In rec.music.bluenote, lorenzo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo) writes:
>
>> Since I bought 'Play' by Bobby McFerrin and Chick Corea, I haven't stopped 
>> listening to it.  I am mainly ipressed by Bobby McFerrin since my only image 
>> of him up until now was his annoying(IMHO) 'Don't Worry, Be Happy.' song.  I'm 
>> wondering if his other albums are just as impressive?
>
>His second and third albums - "The Voice" and "Spontaneous Inventions" - are
>most similar to "Play" - although "The Voice" is totally a capella (& live).
>His first, "Bobby McFerrin", is nice in its own way - a little more of the
>traditional singer-with-a-band thing, though.  "Simple Pleasures" is probably
>the album to avoid if you didn't like "Don't Worry Be Happy".  Seems to me
>there is also an album "Medicine Man", but I could have been dreaming.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Marc Sabatella           Winner, 1992 First Annual Bill Evans Lookalike Contest

You're thinking of MEDICINE MUSIC, recorded in 1990 and on EMI.  It's a nice 
album and features his Voicestra on a few cuts.

-Lynn

< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)  >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110       >
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: jbulyk@telesciences.com (Jerry E. Bulyk)
Subject: Re: Bluenote Scrapbook
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:26:33 GMT

In article <92245.154315FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad writes:
>Has anyone seen the Blue Note Scrapbook? I call it such because it has many
>featured artists from the 60s-70s era who recorded on Bluenote. What the book
>has are pictures of different albums released by the artists.

Actually what the book has is *some* of the cover artwork by *some* of the 
Blue Note artists from the 50's and 60's, totalling approximately 500 plates.
The emphasis is on celebrating the work of the cover art designer, and not 
on providing an all-inclusive survey of this period.

>
>I found a copy where I buy my CDs. The cost is 24.95. I haven't bought it yet.

This is what Tower Records is selling it for here too.

>I'm still debating if it's worth it. I may wind up buying anyway because you
>get useful info about the recordings for special orders or whatever. Most of
>the Blue Note stuff from that time period is out of print so knowing the info
>on various albums could come in handy sometime.
>

The book does *not* contain any useful information on the respective recording,
i.e. no information on recording dates, player personnel, song titles, xrefs ..

Buy it for what it is: a pretty coffee table book, *NOT* an authoritative
comprehensive source of Blue Note knowledge. For a good Blue Note reference
book, Mosaic Records publishes an exhuastive book for $89.95. I have not
seen it personally, but have heard good things about it from those who have.


	- jerry


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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Wendy Carlos Blindfold Test
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:11:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.223123.1575@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>What's the deal here?  Did Walter become Wendy sometime over the last
>two decades?  Inquiring minds want to know, but perhaps not all the
>details.

That's what it is.

Jeff
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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca ( John Henders )
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.folk
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Subject: Re: Last Train to Clarksville (was Re: train song tape finished)
	<1992Sep9.024840.3571@Princeton.EDU>
	<92253.082010WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
	<1992Sep9.193201.21799@cci632.cci.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:36:02 -0700

In <1992Sep9.193201.21799@cci632.cci.com> rdz@cci632.cci.com (Robert D. Zarcone) writes:

>This may have been true, but there was no commentary on it at the time.
>And it's hard to believe that an "establishment" group like the Monkees
>would have done an anti-war song, at least not in 1966.

>I think it's just one of those tragic love songs, but my psychedelic period
>that followed this song's release may have erased those brain cells!  :-)

	Well, towards the end of the show's run, the Monkees were trying to
break out of the mold a bit. Remember the 5 minutes at the end of the show 
when they'd do things like interveiw Frank Zappa?


-- 
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From: gwl%wave3_1@CONCERT.NET (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Sun Ra
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:54:50 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@concert.net

From: veatch@cs.toronto.edu ("Timothy R. Veatch"):

  Tim> I'm interested in adding a 3rd CD to my collection of Sun Ra CDs.
  Tim> I wanted to get one which featured some of the space chants.
  Tim> Specifically,

  Tim>    s - Space is the place
  Tim>    r - Rocket Number 9
  Tim>    w - We travel the spaceways
  Tim>  [ list of 17 discography entries]
  Tim> So, my question is: which disc should I get?

Well, more like "which can you find?".  Most of Sun Ra's opus is not
yet on CD.  Of the 17 you listed, these are available on CD, as far as I know:

  Tim> s   98.  Love in Outer Space: Live in Utrecht
  Tim> srw 107. A Night In East Berlin
  Tim> s w 117. Live in London 1990 (His Year 2000 Myth Science Arkestra)

  98 is one of my alltime favorites and has some great chants and
extended percussion passages.  107 is more "outside" but worth
getting.  177 is a limited edition from Wire and fetches $25+ in the
Boston area, though it is a good one.

  Tim> 99, 107 and 117 sound tempting, but do you suggest getting a live disc?

For chants, there is not better source (other than live).

Cadence usually carries the Leos (99 and 107).  


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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: n5ppm264 (Charlie Board)
Subject: New Blind Willie Johnson?
Organization: bnr
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 11:54:03 GMT

According to ICE a few issues back, Sony/Legacy was supposed to issue a 2CD
box set called "The Complete Blind Willie Johnson" back in July. I've been
watching for it but there's a good chance that my store wouldn't stock it
to start with. Just wondering if anyone's seen it..has it been released? 
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Vienna Art Orchestra tour?
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:51:26 GMT

The liners for their recent album (CHAPTER II, Amadeo 849066)
mention the possibility of a tour for fall '92.  Anyone heard
anything about this?  Any chance of N. American shows?  (I've
heard a rumor they'll be in S. America).

By the way, CHAPTER II is yet another fine album from this outfit.  A
few of the players have changed -- Wolfgang Puschnig (damn that Carla
Bley :-)  and Roman Schwaller are gone, but the trumpet section is
intact (Bumi Fian still rules!)  Lauren Newton has been ably replaced
by Alexandra Naumann.  Joseph Bowie and Gabriele Rosenberg now flank
Christian Radovan in the bone section.  Thomas Alkier now holds the
drum chair.
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From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:12:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

goldrick@ug.cs.dal.ca (Majeed  Goldrick) writes:
>Also, while I'm asking, I once read that Ornette Coleman uses/used
>the thinnest of reeds and one of those post-war plastic saxes (the name
>of which escapes me now) - a la Charlie Parker at Massey Hall.  Does anyone
>know if this is so and why?

I don't know about the reed, but he's holding the plastic sax on the
cover of _Shape of Jazz to Come_, and in the liner notes to _Change
of the Century_ he talks a little about why he likes it.  Somewhere
else, later in his career, he said that he wished he could find 
another plastic horn; I forget where I read this.  They were English,
I think.

Others have given plenty of good recommendations; I especially like
_In All Languages_ because you can hear the acoustic and electric
versions and compare, and it has such great tunes, but then Ornette
always writes great tunes.  James Blood [Ulmer]'s Tales of Captain
Black is good but hard to find.  The Atlantic period stuff is
beautiful.  And so on ...

Ben Weiner