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From: linda@visix.com (Linda Thomas)
Subject: Re: a random quote to brighten your day
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:50:58 GMT
Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA

>>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis Yarvin <curtis@cs.berkeley.edu> writes:
	Curtis> '"Yes, but - no - wait!" for Alyx sprung to her feet
	Curtis> and fetched from his stool the pillow on which he had
	Curtis> been sitting, the purpose of which he did not at first
	Curtis> seem to comprehend, but then his eyes went wide with
	Curtis> horror, for she had got the pillow in order to smother
	Curtis> him, and that is just what she did.'

	Curtis> Can anyone guess the author?

Sounds like _The Adventures of Alyx_ by Joanna Russ, I think.  A book which
had some wonderful moments, but on the whole never quite liked as much as I
wanted to.  Actually, that's the way most of her books have left me.  It's
not the stories that bother me or what she's trying to say.  I think it's the
way she tells the story.  _AoA_ reads kind of like a fairy tale and I never
could identify or even empathize with Alyx or her world or its people, etc.

Despite, what were for me shortcomings, there were still some wonderful 
quotes in the book like the one above.

		-Linda

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		-- Sydney J. Harris
From: mb7@ukc.ac.uk (M.Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Enders Trilogy by Orson Scott Card
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:18:54 GMT
Reply-To: mb7@ukc.ac.uk (M.Bloom)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Oct6.141431.8245@cunews.carleton.ca> wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:
>>andrew@tagsys.com (Andrew Gideon) writes:
>>>In article <927@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mb7@ukc.ac.uk (M.Bloom) writes:
>>>>      [..........]
>>>>there is a 4th book after Xenocide? In the preface to Speaker for the Dead,
>>>>the author mentions that he split Xenocide into two books, due to it's
>>>>length. Did this happen?
>>>
>>>Well, I met Mr. Card when he signed a stack of books for
>>>me.  It was just when _Xenocide_ was released.  When
>>>asked (I don't recall whether I asked, or if it was my
>>>sister-in-law, or some other person), he claimed that the
>>>forth book already existed.  They (the publisher) had
>>>decided to hold it for a while.
>>
>So what I would like to know is whether my paperback copy of
>'Xenocide', in excess of 500 pages, is the _whole_ story, or is it
>only the first half?  Does anyone know for sure?  I'm asking only
>because so far, I've found it to be one of those incredibly
>fascinating stories one hopes never ends.  (In checking the page count
>I inadvertantly read the last line of the book--looks like a clean
>ending to me, but of course I won't know for sure until I've read the
>whole thing)
>

Just wait and see!


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| Mark Bloom,                          | mb7@ukc.ac.uk |
| The University of Kent at Canterbury,|               |
| England.                             |               |
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Prince of Chaos the conclusion??
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:15:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.73438
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:

>I REALLY hope he writes more.

Last I heard he was planning at least one more volume. It IS possible that
Amber is changing publishers (I honestly don't remember) and the old
publisher is doing this to, um, say goodbye. Something similar happened with
Piers Anthony when he switched publishers with the Incarnations series.

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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: a random quote to brighten your day
Date: 9 Oct 1992 08:07:02 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <1992Oct8.221630.11679@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
|In article <1b0dajINN7rd@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
|>In article <1992Oct7.181155.29980@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
|>>In article <1avnt9INN3ts@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
|
|>>>'"Yes,  but - no - wait!" for Alyx sprung to her feet
|>>>and fetched from his stool the pillow on which he
|>>>had been sitting, the purpose of which he did not
|>>>at first seem to comprehend, but then his eyes went
|>>>wide with horror, for she had got the pillow in order
|>>>to smother him, and that is just what she did.'
|
|>How such an awkward sentence ever found its way into print
|>I shall decline to speculate;
|
|It's been ages since I read the stories (and I'm not even going to
|think about looking it up), but I rather suspect that the paragraph 
|you quoted appeared in one of the first of the short stories, and was, 
|I believe, one of the very first things she ever published, which might
|go some way towards explaining the clumsiness.

Yes, I believe it did; and yes, it would.  While I am not a great
fan of Russ, I certainly do not mean to imply that this is characteristic
of most of her work!

c
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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:20:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <BvuMz5.I35@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) writes:
>@apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:
>
>>I always thought the first book of Anne McCaffery's The Dragonriders of Pern
>>would make a good movie if they could pull off the Dragon effects well.
>
>I think they could if they cared. Have you ever seen "Dragonslayer"?
>If the F/X were as good as there, you couldn't ask for more. (I heard
>the dragon was a stop motion puppet whose images of movement were then
>blurred by a computer, 
 
Almost... 
 
The dragon model(s) were designed for normal stop-action shooting, but 
with a twist.  The included small motors for some motion, and a computer 
drove the model to move in the appropriate direction for a short distance 
at the moment of exposure.  That produced the slight motion blur and make 
the dragon look much closer to real than normal Harryhausen-style stop- 
motion. 
 
Ignoring some of the flying sequence (well, it was still pretty good), 
it worked.  Oh, the computer was an Apple ][. 
 


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From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: Who Wrote RAMA II and GARDEN OF..., anyway? (was re: Next Rama Book?)
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:23:30 GMT

Jim Kasprzak writes
> |>      Besides, Clarke hasn't written or cowritten a good book
> |>      since 2061...  and that was an unexpected spike in 
> |>      his quality.  The slide's been happening for a long
> |>      while.  Check out GHOST FROM THE GRAND BANKS.
>  
>  Umm, what? Are you sure you aren't reading the Anti-Clarke? 
>  Or perhaps holding your graphs upside-down? _2061: Odyssey 
>  Three_ was a plunge, not a spike. A shadow of the old Clarke. 
>  _Ghost..._ was the book that convinced me that Clarke hadn't 
>  completely lost his talent - not an easy thing to do after 
>  _2061_, _Cradle_ and those awful Rama sequels.

Second that.  2061 was pretty poor. The Rama sequels were OK, but not  
vintage Clarke.  I liked _Ghost_, but again, it wasn't vintage  
Clarke.

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From: tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Subject: Re: julian may and Fury (*spoilers*)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:04:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.105229.162@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, jasonr@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jason F Ralph) writes:
|> Denis is a viable candidate for Fury, but I do have reservations about
|> him. He has been close to Jack and I can't see that he could evade
|> detection for so long. I think that I shall have to go back to the
|> book... 
|> 
|> jasonr@central.sussex.ac.uk
The main problem with Denis, as far as I'm concerned, is that he's too
bloody obvious.  On the other hand, the fact that the Ghost was Marc
was pretty obvious too, so that may not rule Denis out.
-- 
Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half pack of
cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
"Hit it."
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From: pally@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Pally Hoffstein)
Subject: Re: Vonnegut
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:46:42 GMT
Keywords: Hack.

In article <1992Oct16.173322.17874@nmsu.edu> wimcdaid@nmsu.edu (Liam McDaid) writes:
>	After reading that essay on Farmer and Vonnegut, I would
>like to get some opinions on Vonnegut's writing.  I always thought
>that he was considered a lightweight in the SF community.
>
>	I also knew that he was considered a doyen of the Lit'ry
>people (for what that's worth).  What do you think?
>
>						-Liam
>

Vonnegut seems to be equally loved and hated in the SF community, with very
few opinions in-between. In mainstream literary circles he is equally disputed
although more generally respected. 
His dislike within SF circles seems to have more to do with his attitude
towards SF than with the merits of his books.

I think Vonnegut is one of America's finest authors, although he is
inconsistant.

But he is NOT a science fiction author. He doesn't think so and neither it
would seem do many users of this group.
So why are we talking about him here?

Pally Hoffstein
Vancouver, Canada
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From: leino@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Antti Leino)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:01:50 GMT
Organization: Keisarillinen Aleksanterin-Yliopisto

In article <1992Oct14.164801.19156@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Created? I was told by someone who was bilingual in it that the 
>elvish language was essentially Finnish. (Not the standard version, but
>close enough to be very understandable).

Well, I'm not bilingual -- I don't know Quenya _that_ well 8> -- but the
languages are definitely not the same.  Tolkien was fond of Finnish, so
he modeled the phonological system of Quenya after that of Finnish; thus
the two languages sound rather alike.  However, on all other respects
the languages are quite different.  It's a lot like what he did to
mythology: the Silmarillion is neither the Bible, Kalevala or Voluspa,
although there are rather strong elements from all of them in it. 

--
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From: campo@sunthpi3.difi.unipi.it (Massimo Campostrini)
Subject: Re: tolkien ?
Reply-To: campo@sunthpi3.difi.unipi.it
Organization: Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare, Pisa, Italy
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.2760.1928@dosgate>, "milan rezac" <milan.rezac@canrem.com> writes:
|> KD>I believe the story went something like this:
|> 
|> KD>The Tolkien mailing list was started about a year before The Big
|> KD>Split. This drained the original rec.arts.sf.lovers of Tolkien-related
|> KD>postings, so when the split arrived, very few could see the need for a
|> KD>special tolkien group.
|> 
|> Aww, damn!  I can't subscribe to lists.  Guess I'll have to talk to my sysop
|> again...and again...and again....  Is it (either of them, actually)
|> interesting?
|> 
|> KD>Also in general people was opposed to special-groups like Heinlein or
|> KD>Tolkien.
|> 
|> Well, perhaps it could have been called Middle-earth.  After all, there's
|> enough stuff there to keep us occupied for decades to come!
|> 
|> Thanks for the info,
|> 
|> Milan
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I think a Tolkien newsgroup could stay in the alt.* tree.
If no Tolkien newsgroup exist anywhere, we should proceed to create one.

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From: troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly)
Subject: Re: Alternate History List (1/5) (770 lines)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:25:59 GMT

In article <BvuDx7.4xq@rice.edu> schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu (Robert Schmunk) 
writes:
>Churchill, Winston S., "If Lee had not Won the Battle of Gettysburg", in
>   Scribner's Dec 30, <IHO,ABC> and <WM3>
               ^^^^^^
From: kim@LCLARK.EDU (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Orson Scott Card, Clarion, and RAH
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:25:19 GMT


	Anyone out there familiar with Orson Scott Card's fiction? I loved
his Tales of Alvin Maker series and was wondering when his next book in
that series was. I thought I saw a hardcover of his called Hatrack River
in a used bookstore. Could this be the newest book in the series? Anyone
read his Folk of the Fringe, anothology? I thought it was one of the best
pieces of religious SF I've ever encountered.
	On the subject of the Clarion writer's workshop, is there anyone
who attended it? Was it worth the large amount of time, effort, and money
to participate in it?
	My last question is this. Will there be any posthumously published
Robert Anson Heinlein novels in the near future? He's one of my favorite
authors.

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From: MFDICK01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Mark Dickson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: re: Dozois's Year's Best
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:26:44 GMT



I had to respond to this. As one of the science-fiction readers in
America with a life (i.e., a full time job, 2 kids, a wife in Grad
school) I can only dabble on the periphery of scifi. I also try to
read Pulitzer and Nobel winners during the same year I try to read
Hugo winners.

Dozois does a fantastic service to those of us who don't have the
time, money, or interest to "live the sf life." I consider his
Year in Review essay the most important feature of the anthology.
That gives me as much bang for my buck as I can find (other than
wading through the opinion-intensive postings of this list.)
Sure, I enjoy reading each of the stories and I trust his editing
acumen, but for a brief, mature overview of the business of
sf-related materials (books, magazines, movies, collateral genres)
I don't know of a better value. He has my dough each year.

Mark Dickson
Dwight Anderson Music Library
University of Louisville

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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter Miller
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:11:05 GMT

In article <73342@apple.Apple.COM>, chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
|> ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole) writes:
|> 
|> >	BTW - I recall an article in _Locus_ that Miller was 
|> >returning to writing with a sequel to _Canticle_ & in the British
|> 
|> I've corresponded with Miller in the last few months, and from what he said,
|> the book is still being written.

Last summer the BBC broadcast a radio adaptation of _Canticle_ on 
Radio 4, on Saturday afternoons.  It was quite as good as others 
they have done, such as _Lord Of The Rings_, _The Chrysalids_ and 
_Flowers For Algernon_. Very moody. Sometimes they put the productions 
out on tape afterwards, but I don't know about that one. Not seen it yet.

   Alan

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   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

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From: eschneid@sparc53.tamu.edu (Erich R Schneider)
Subject: Re: CJ Cherryh
Organization: Texas A&M University
	<1992Oct9.221759.27476@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.221759.27476@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig) writes:

>I don't see much difference between Mallory and Yeager.  Both are
>typical soldiers the way Cherryh likes to paint them: fiercely loyal to
>whatever group they happen to belong to, and casual about killing off
>everybody else. Mallory's defection, which happened to be the Right
>Thing, only happened because Mazian wounded her pride and threatened to
>interfere with Norway's internal affairs. BTW, I think that "murderous
>outlaws" pretty much describes the Fleet in "Downbelow Station".

For a very interesting look at the Fleet before they became outlaws,
and possibly at the formation of the attitude that caused them to
become outlaws, I heartily recommend Cherryh's new _Hellburner_.

One of the major things going on "in the background" that affects what
goes on with the characters is a political fight to see whether the
Fleet (and hence the Company) or the United Defense Council (UDC, the
military arm of the UN) will be the main military force to put down
the rebels at Cyteen.

(Side note: the acronyms really fly fast and furious in _Hellburner_;
if you can't quickly figure out what AA, VR, UDC, UN, EC, FSO, JLC and
TI signify, you're goin to be pretty confused. I still haven't figured
out what ECSAA means (from _Heavy Time_).)
--
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"The AI _loved_ it. That's when we knew for sure that _people_ were going
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: _Lord of Light_
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:55:27 GMT

In <1992Oct8.323556.32434@ghostwheel.dartmouth.edu> takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon) writes:

>The subject line describes the subject pretty well.  IMNSHO this is one
>of Zelazny's best books; it's one of my favorite, if not my favorite,
>period, books of all time.  Yet whenever I mention it to SF-loving
>friends, I can't find anyone who's read it.  

An excellent book, probably my favorite Zelazny.  It does have some
minor stylistic flaws, however.  The transition to flashback after
chapter one left me completely confused the first time I read this.  
And the shaggy dog story that occurs near the beginning ("the fit hit
the...") was incongruous.  Amusing, but it hardly fit with the tone of
the book.

All in all, though, I much prefer LoL to Amber part 17, or whatever.  :-)

And if you liked LoL, you might want to try to find Steven Brust's novel
_To Reign In Hell_.  He (Brust) does to Jehovah and Lucifer what Zelazny
does to Buddha and Shiva in LoL.  A deliberate Zelazny pastiche, but an
excellent one.
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