HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Pro-Gay school program receives protests
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:57:01 GMT

} 	NEW YORK (UPI) -- Nearly 200 vitriolic parents Wednesday rallied in
} City Hall park to protest a school program that encourages respect for
} students with gay parents and for gay people in general.
} 	``You can't teach a child blah blah blah ...

So what do you do?

Announcer:  Folks!  We've secretly switched June and Ward Cleaver's  darling  
boy, Wally, with a gay boy!  Let's see if they can tell the difference!

June:  Wally, you want another cookie?
Wally: Uh, no.  Ma, I think I'm gay ...
June:  (embracing Wally)  Oh Wally!  I love you.  Even though you are immoral,      
	abnormal and the scum of the Earth that will burn in hell, I love you!
Wally: ... and I'm in love with Eddie.
June:	Oh my ... Ward?
Ward:   Yes, dear?
June:	Wally has a problem.  You two need to have a man-to-man talk.
Wally:	Dad, how do I life the rest of my life if I'm not normal?
Ward:	Well, for starters, you'll be confused for the rest of your life  
	because you have to like yourself and not like yourself.  Understand?
Wally:	Uh, no.  Ma?
June:	Dear, what your father is trying to tell you is that you are disgusting  
	and vile, but he won't tell you that because he loves you so much!

You decide!

Donald - Strange.  I've seen that face before ...
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:53:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep9.074413.21095@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. 
Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>My favorite quiz question concerns the
>wind machine: name six orchestral works
>with prominent parts for wind machine.

I fail that one.  I can think of only one. 

>[What do you expect from someone who
> actually owns a Zamfir recording?  The
> concerto & rhapsodie, I hasten to add.
> I await Arne's inevitable remarks about
> Gottschalk lovers.]

*I* like Gottschalk.  Arne had better not say anything uncomplimentary.  If
he does, I'll have to go down and give him a piece of my, um, mind. 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: Garth Brooks on "Freedom of Choice"
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:40:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.132036.10744@HQ.Ileaf.COM> jontom@ileaf.com (JT Kittredge) writes:
>I was particularly heartened that a pop idol went out of his way to
>give this message. It makes up for all the venom from the likes of Mel
>Gibson. Maybe I need to start listening to country music.

Well, I have to say my hats off to Garth (if I had a hat).
I've heard him sing some very touching and wonderful songs,
and I will admit that I had a few heart strings pulled by them
(and him, for that matter).  If I didn't have a general
political disagreement with most "country", I would probably
buy one or more of his CDs... for now I'm content that his
music is turning up in the mainstream, so I don't feel guilty.
:)



-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com          voice: 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      609 Science Drive          Moorpark, CA  93021 
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
-=>NOTE:  The feed to tdbear@tandon.com may be interrupted in Sept.<=-
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.scouting
From: cwebster@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Child Abuse in the BSA
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 11:46:10 EDT

Time for a new subject line...

Four years ago, I was a staff member at BSA residental summer camp.  During
our week-long training, we had an _extensive_ amount of child abuse training,
including advice like not to be "caught" alone with a camper, if you have
to talk to a camper privately do it somewhere where you both can be seen,
, "protect yourself" by not putting yourself in positions where you could
be accussed of molestation, etc...

The year before this we did not recieve such training, but just "skimmed" over
it (i.e., we were told what to look for, but weren't given such "protect 
yourself" advice).  Interestingly enough, that year's camp director also
counseled abused children, so presumably he would know what he was talking
about.

It seems national put a new emphasis on child-abuse training that second
year, presumably in response to too many child molestation lawsuits. 

Does anyone have information on child-abuse in the BSA?  Statistics, etc?
National's policies?  

[I crossposted to soc.motss since it seems that every thread that mentioned
homosexuals in the BSA included discussion of sexual abuse.]

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:31:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.170042.13737@anasazi.com> best@anasazi.com (Mike Best) writes:
>There is no such thing as a right to marriage - if real it would then 
>be necessary that someone marry you for it is your right.  You do not
>have the right to adopt children for this implies that we are obligated
>to find a child for you to adopt.  To deny you this would be to deny you
>your rights.  Do we seriously consider that everyone must be married?

Saying I have the right to pursue some activity and saying that that
activity *must* happen are two different things.

>You have really specified the problem by describing it as "special
>rights".  On the surface it makes us feel good to say "I'm for Black
>rights" or "I'm for women's rights" but understand well what this 
>really means.  It means that there are several standards, that because
>I am Black or a Woman that my rights are different than yours.  This
>is _wrong_, we should all have the same rights.  When you start talking
>about special rights then you introduce tribalism into our society.

I believe this is exactly why it's becoming more and more common to
refer to "Equal Rights for Gays" as opposed to "Gay Rights".  It isn't
that we want something special, it's just that we want the ability to
pursue the same things heterosexual people can.  Getting married to
someone who is very important.  Raising children.  Not having to worry
about getting fired because someone things the gender of your mate
is inappropriate.  These are not "special rights".  They are things
enjoyed (and taken for granted) by the majority of the people in our
society.

-- 
Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,
"Lovers are like... dentures.  You don't want them in your     |    /oo \
mouth all night, but you sure as hell want them within arm's   |    <>__|
reach in the morning!"  --- Miss Elmira Gulch                  |    |  U|
From: harris@polk.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Anyone watch Young Indiana Jones Chronicles?
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:34:49 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


Motss relevance: absolutely none, except that I like you guys!!!  (And
I know absolutely no one on rec.arts.tv, or whatever that newsgroup
is, that's not on here.)

I am appearing on two episodes of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles,
on ABC.  As I am now in the college thing, I have watched television
maybe once in three weeks, so I don't have much time to keep up with
it.  If anyone around watches Young Indy, would you _please_ tell me
when you hear that one of the following two episodes will be coming
on?

Here are the two episodes:

Princeton, 1916.  Indy tries to one-up his friends for the best car to
his junior prom.  (Totally historically inaccurate, for proms started
somewhere around 1926, but...)  I'm a schoolboy in his class, and
unless the scene lands on the cutting room floor, should be rather
prominent in view.  I'm right next to Sean Patrick Flannery (YUM!) who
plays Indy.

Paris, 1918.  Indy at the Paris Peace Conference.  I play a schoolmate
(how unique) in 1992, of Indy's grandaughter.

If anyone hears of an episode coming up that would fit these
descriptions, PUH-LEEZE mail me!

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:20:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Summary: Cramer has a sphincter-shaped cranium

cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
) roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
) # Such as handing over what you think is damning evidence
) # to those people who want to legislate us out of existence?

) Oh?  Can you provide some examples?  I have yet to hear any of
) the fundamentalists argue for extermination of homosexuals.

In the September 11 issue of _Seattle_Gay_News_, there is an
article describing Colorado GLAAD's (Gay and Lesbian Alliance
Against Defamation) struggle against the self-styled Campaign
for Family Values, the fundamentalist organization trying to
constitutionally prohibit anti-discrimination protection for
Colorado lesbigays.

	One Group helping out the CFV is Scriptures for America
	out of Fort Collins.  Their leader, Pastor Pete Peters,
	led a successful fight against that city's inclusion of
	sexual orientation in their equal protection clause
	in 1989.  Just recently he published a pamphlet titled
	_Death_Penalty_for_Homosexuals_is_Prescribed_in_the_Bible_
	in which he calls upon local government to use the death
	penalty to actively persecute Gays.  "Few in the media
	editorialized against this vitriol; most simply ignored
	it.  We can't rely on the media to fight our battle, yet
	buying media space for our message is expensive.  We need
	your help and we need it now," said GLAAD Executive
	Director in Denver.

So much for Love Thy Neighbour.

	Donations of any amount are urgently needed and may be
	sent to: GLAAD/Denver, POB 100552, Denver, CO 80250.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>   "Conform or Die!"
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pepsi
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:36:22 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1992Sep2.003039.27298@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
said:
>
>>Uh-huh.
>
>I really hate those Pepsi commercials, don't you?
>At least I'm not supposed to be part of a Pepsi generation anymore.
>
>nelson@reed.edu

I'm with you. Who was the advertising genius who dreamed up this
lame campaign. I have to feel sorry for Ray Charles, though. My
personal preference for soft drinks has to go to Dr. Pepper. Who
can resist that dancin' cutie in the T-shirt?

Gary Byma
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:40:18 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <42564@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>
>We are a community that
>just happens to try to stick up for all of our diversity, trying hard
>to make this a safe space for all.

Give it up Mark, these dingos just don't get it.  They figure if you
defend someone's right to be nelly, then *YOU* must be one of them
NELLY *PERVOS*.  Kinda like anybody that sticks up for Homo rights,
must be a homo, and since they're a homo, they don't count.  For their
next trick, they're going to talk you into the joys of normalcy and
obedience to the statistical Norm.  Personally, I think Norm is a really
crummy top, but he seems to get some people all hot and wet.

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:04:06 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/(me)
/   If it is practiced behavior (as you finally admit to) then it is
/   controllable.  Why should gays engage in practiced, deliberate
/   behavior that plays right into the hands' of straight stereotypes?

/(bob)
/Ok.  How do you answer the fundie who says that your sexual attraction
/to men is controllable, and that you should control it (i.e. abstain)?

/Do you say, "No, I can't control it, so please accept me anyway."?

/Or do you say, "It doesn't matter whether or not I'm choosing to have
/gay sex.  In either case, you have no right to inflict your judgements
/on me, or on anyone else who doesn't want them."?


I say both things.  Simultaneously.  Because to me, they are both true.

If I *can't* control it, then you have no right to make me change. It's
like having blue eyes--not under my power.

If I *can* control it, it is still none of your business.


Keep in mind, Bob, one thing that you and many others have forgotten
here (some, like dyer, have deliberately ignored it)--I am not talking 
about "banning", "discriminating", or "hiding" people away.  I am talking
about us examining ourselves and our methods.  This is a debate, inside 
the family, over how to get things done in the most effective way possible.

The idea of self-examination, however, carries with it the possibility
of discovering errors, and the responsibility to admit that we might be 
making mistakes in how we are doing things.
So far, few on this chat group have shown any indication that they could
even consider themselves to be wrong.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: trivia
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:49:00 GMT

During a LONG labor day weekend with either allergies or a virus
attacking me so that breathing was rather less than easy, I spent
some time listening to Groucho Marx singing "Lydia the Tatooed Lady"
so that I will finally _know_ the words rather than sort of fumbling
around for them.  

Anyway, there are a couple places where its not clear to me what
the verses say.  Can anyone enlighten me?  (by the way, this is
from "A Day at the Circus" and has little or no motss relevance)  

First, when Groucho is leading into the song he sings 
   "the most glorious creature under the sun
	Veiss, DuBarry, Garbo rolled into one"
What _is_ that first word on the second line?  It _sounds_ like Veiss
but that doesnt ring any bells for me.  

Later on he sings "here is Grover Waylon unveilin the trilon",  huh?
Who is Grover Waylon and what is a trilon?

jefu (seeking enlightenment and pondering the custom of parenthetical
	  remarks after a signature - wondering if this is to become a
	  net.fad like line eater food, silly disclaimers, or long and
	  graphic .signatures (but getting a .sig included anyway)) 
-- 
jefu@jupiter.nmt.edu  -- Jeff Putnam, New Mexico Tech, Socorro, NM
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always
so sure of themselves but wiser people are full of doubts." B. Russell
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:35:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Aaachhh!  <stomp> <click> ZEIG! <*snap*>

I had tried to tell the Central Committee zat you would all see through
the ruse as a ruse - and perceive it for what it actually was:  a
statement of our true policy.  Yes!  Yes!  It's all true!  Family Values,
David Duke, and the OCA are all part of our Master Agenda!

What's more, we are stacking the deck.  You see, by our calculations,
we have enough surplus population in the breeding fields of *Orange* 
*Country* to capture the electoral votes of *both* Oregon and Washington -
and here's the good part:  *without* loosing the votes of California!

Aaachh!  <stomp> <click> ZEIG! <*snap*>

Yes, we - the Society of Truly Evil Republicans - are even now planting
the seeds of the Glorious Fourth Reich, right here on the Pacific Coast.
But all you people in Oregon (and Washington) should be thankful.

We're going to sell Hawaii to the Japanese!  Then, after raiding the
Social Security reserves, we're going to pay off the deficit in 
*one* *fell* *swoop*!  And give each taxpayer a handy refund check to
sooth their rumpled feelings.  The resulting infusion into our capital
markets will allow Truly Evil Republicans to invest in more capital
equipment - thereby doing away with the need for all those dirty,
ill-washed worker types.

Aaaccchh!! <stomp>  <click> <*snap*>

But this is only half of the story.  I shall let you in, now, on the
true Master Agenda:  you see, the world we live in - it was not always
this way.  In 'reality' - Amerika went through *four* *generations* of
Kennedy presidents.  It was *so* perfect Adolphson got laid two or 
three times *a* *week* - on occasion, being so taken by surprise that
he didn't even have time to let his nails dry...

Well, it was all too much, so we - the Society of Truly Evil Republicans -
built the *ultimate* *killing* *machine*

Then we sent it back in time!  Yes!  Yes!  Arnold really *is* a cybernetic
killer from the future!  It was *he* who shot Kennedy!  And then, in
a truly perverse twist, he *married* into The Family!

It's all so EVIiilllllLLLL.  Mu-ahhh ahhah ahhhh...

We are grooming The Arnold even now.  Yes!  He shall become our 
Maximum Leader!  Starting with California, then the West, then the
United States, then - THE WORLD!  (what's worth taking, anyway... but
certainly, we'll take *back* Hawaii).

It's a pity we won't be able to allow you to enjoy it.




Guess who?
(be creative, now)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 10:38:09 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Book reference
 <1992Sep11.175918.22456@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>

_the drowning of stephan jones_...

that was written about, for those who do not know, an
incident that happened right here in bangor, maine.  in
short walking distance from my house as a matter of fact.
a number of people i know, including my minister, were
interviewed for it, and the book is dedicated to them.

it's a kidbook, but i highly recommend it anyway.

                                        -ailsa
                                    (those computer office people
                                     don't delete accounts when they
                                     say they will...)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: decot@cup.hp.com (Dave Decot)
Subject: Re: Dear Miss Manners
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:45:40 GMT
Organization: Group W, Father Rapers Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

> Dear Miss Manners,
> 
> What is the proper code of conduct for when one is passing strangers in  
> the hall of a bathhouse? Courtesy would dictate that eye contact be  
> acknowledged with a smile or some gesture of recognition. However, such  
> tokens are often taken to indicate sexual interest, and the last thing one  
> wants is to be perceived as a "tease". A similar dilemma arises when a  
> stranger appears at the door of my room; how can I be cordial without  
> inviting him in? Please suggest some means of being polite to those with  
> whom we do not wish to invest our precious bodily fluids. Call me...
> 
> 			-Vexed in Vancouver

Gentle Reader,

Miss Manners is aware that the etiquette of the establishment to which
you refer can be quite mystifying indeed, as it differs in some important
ways from the more general social etiquette.  Fortunately, Miss Manners
has in her acquaintance dozens of perfect gentlemen in the steam of whose
sparkling experience she bathes frequently.

You must first understand that the level of interaction to be pursued at
this place is generally expected to be sexual, rather than social.
Perhaps you were already aware of this.  In any case, the tokens of smiling
and acknowledgement take on an entirely different semantic meaning in this
environment, as you have discovered.

Therefore, gestures of recognition should be reserved for those whom one
recognizes (presumably from past experience, although Miss Manners would
never presume to imagine what kind of experience that might be).  Smiles
or other encouraging gestures should be reserved for those whom one
wants to encourage.  In this way, those whom you don't wish to entertain
will not have something to misunderstand, and those whom you do, will.

An arrangement of merchandise at a fixed location tends to imply the
general availability of the products or services being displayed, and the
proprietor should not be surprised to receive inquiries as to the terms.

If you don't wish to respond to offers from the general public, get out
of your shop window and circulate the hallways in search of a product you
are willing to invest in.  When the appropriate smiles and gestures have
been exchanged, you can then cart your acquisition back to your designated
premises, and shut the door.  That is, unless you wish to offer something
via a joint marketing agreement.


Very truly yours,

Miss Manners
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:10:50 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <joelp.715710645@cs.man.ac.uk> joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:
>Response to Matthew:  um, yes, so?
>
>The Republican Party leadership may not care much about family values or
>lesbigay folk, but how much in the end does this matter?
>
>I doubt that most Germans in the '30s hated the Jews, at least in any personal
>fashion.  The National Socialist leadership probably didn't care that much
>about the Jews. 


Sorry, but no.  The Nazi leadership in General, and Hitler in particular,
cared *very* *very* *very* much about the Jews.  Read Mien Kampf.  Hitler
cared so very much that when he was *winning* the war at Stalingrad and
his army officers were demanding more ammunition, they were told to
keep fighting with what they had because it was more important to fill
the trains with deported Jews than ammunition to ship to the Russian front.
When it looked as if Paris would fall, and differnet commanders were again
asking for bullets, Hitler again decided that sending Jews to death camps
was more important than sending bullets to Paris.

After extensive years of reading I am convinced that Hitler could very
easily have won WW2 if he hadn't bothered to spend so much effort on 
exterminating people in the light of his barbaric racial policies. 
That's another scary thought.

Laura

-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:17:26 GMT


J. N. Shaumeyer (jns@wam.umd.edu) sez:
>The _bandoneon_ has only buttons instead of the keyboard at one side of the
>accordion [!] and consequently can play fewer notes.  To maintain an idomatic
>sound accordionist William Schimmel developed simpler lines for the accordion
>in the classic Argentine tangos here, but used it in the normal way for the
>three Euroopean tangos on the album....." 

Getting picky again, the liner notes aren't completely correct -- the buttons
on a bandoneon play both the note and the note one octave below, except for
the bass buttons, which just play the bass note. (This is all effectively
hearsay, since I've never laid hands on a bandoneon.) That would explain why
Schimmel had to simplify the music; there are lines for bandoneon that you
simply can't play on accordion. (Besides, would you trust a guy named Schimmel
to play tangos? :-)

Dan, who's amazed that anyone's still paying attention