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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wedge turning to parallel turning: Ideas?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:00:14 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <martel.703159278@marvin> martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel) writes:
>I would like to have the complete reference of the 2 books discussed here,
>"The Centered Skier" and "Skiing from the inside". Are they recommended for
>someone struggling to be a good intermediate skier (and expert some day...)?

'Skiing from the Inside', by Sarah Ferguson (in association with the
Daily Mail), published by Simon & Schuster, ISBN 0-671-69711-0, 4.95
pounds sterling.  The cover only had a UK price on it, which might mean
you'd have to find a bookshop who'll order it from the UK.

Don't know about the other one.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: allen%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: question -- x-country ski places
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:38:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: hellgate.1992Apr15.113858.828
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <wgyjldk.jaguar@netcom.com> jaguar@netcom.com (Elaine Pang) writes:

>a good place to go cross-country skiing near here.  Tahoe was suggested to me
>but I was also told it was really crowded (traffic wise that is).  I would
>like to go somewhere relatively free of people, stay overnight in an inn,
>and ski around during the day.  I am a beginner, so I would have to ski on
>trails already broken.  I would really appreciate any info!
>

There are a few huts run by the Sierria Club in and round Donner
Summit.  I have stayed in one of them before and it was great.
Unfortunately,  we got a big run around of who is actually in charge
of the huts within the Sierria club so we just went out there and
stayed for free.  One hut is the Bensen hut which is between Sugar
Bowl and Squaw near Tinker's Knob.

The is also the Ostanger (spelling) in Yosemite.  It is on the Glacier
Point road - 13 miles from the road head.

I have no idea of the current conditions - some else can comment them
Eugene ??

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Helmets
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:01:07 GMT
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

I am an avid skier from Vt. I consider myself to be a good skier, and I ski
whatever terrain is in front of me (VERY LIMITED ON THE EAST COAST) with
no problems whatsoever. I do however know my limits. This is very important
when skiing. It's good to approach your limits, and attempt to move them
as your ability changes, but you always must know and remember your own, and
your equiptment's limitations. 
	I know that at least in Vt. and quite possibly other states as well
there has been much talk in recent years about requiring helmets for skiers.
I dissagree strongly. I want to hear the opinions of other skiers on this
issue. Here is what I think. People should be able to be their own safety 
guards in preventing injuries.  I believe that if you are carefull, the
chances of recieving a serious injury skiing are slim.  I have been around
for many years at Killington, and I know what dammage skiers have inflicted
upon themselves. TRUE it is not always their fault, but it usually can
be prevented by other means than Helmets. Helmets would help prevent
head-trauma during collisions, but would not have saved most of the lives 
that have been lost while skiing. Helmets would not prevent neck injuries,
or severe back and chest injuries. Helmets might also give people a false
sence of safety, and encourage to feel MORE comfortable taking bigger risks.
I think that it is reasonable to have small children wear helmets, because
they often don't realize the potential hazards of skiing, but a little
mature judgement on the part of we adults should keep us plenty safe enough.
I don't think that it is something that will probably happen in the near
future, but I have heard that it is a possibility. Please share your oppinions
whether you agree or dissagree. Well I gotta go.... I was just wondering
if this topic had stirred up any thoughts of other skiers like me.

							Todd S.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Humor (judgment related, was UT aval)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:34:42 GMT

Oh yes, I found this while editing the r.b FAQ:

% /usr/games/fortune
Q:      Why do mountain climbers rope themselves together?
A:      To prevent the sensible ones from going home.

To be found in any BSD based Unix system.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
This is the Usenet: do you expect anything other than gross generalizations?
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: bassuk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Jim "Birdie" Bassuk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: $41 lift ticket!
Keywords: rip-off, Okemo
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:52:02 GMT
Distribution: rec.skiing
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

Bad news:  there is a $41 lift ticket.  Okemo Mt., Ludlow, VT will
sell you one of these for a full day pass on Sat or Sun

Luckily, I had a coupon, 2 for 1, but others in my party did not.
I actually watched them shell out $41!

OK, so was it worth it?

Every snow gun was lined up in one spot.  What that meant was
no more snow-making for this year.

62 trails were open, and the cover, though thin, was adequate.

Snow was up to 5 feet in some spots.  Conditions in the a.m. for this
2100 vert. ft. hill was "frozen glob"....but in the p.m., things softened
up nicely.  Actually, we found some very acceptable conditions for April
5 ( a Sunday)......

The walk from the parking lot was amusing.....up several tiers of concrete
levels for the "pre-lodge" buildings,, must have walked up 300 vert ft
before there was a lift..

The lifts were very fasta and either high-speed quads or just fast triples.

Okemo plans to remain a heavy-hitter and guess who is paying for it!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: haas%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Walt Haas)
Subject: Re: Please help -- need new skis.
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:17:06 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <122930122@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
>
>What are the best skis?

Miller Softs :-)

-- Walt

From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:32:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Followup on moving from intermediate to expert skiing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> >
> >Bullsh*t!  When the knees hit the chest, it is because the skier has
> >f*cked-up and is using strength to overcome his bad technique.  One 
> >can *choose* to ski bumps this way, but I wouldn't call it good technique.
> 
> I beg to disagree, John.  You obviously did not watch the Olympic moguls 
> in slowmotion like I did.  As the poster said, when they were in the big 
> bumps, their knees _almost_ hit the chest.  And they did it in such a way 
> that the upper body did not move hardly at all.  Ripping at ??? mph 
> through 3-5 foot bumps, this is to be expected; although slower speeds 
> are better on us old men. 

Please re-read what I said... When a skier is slamming bumps so hard his
knees are coming to his chest he "is using strength" instead of technique.

I did see the Olympic moguls.  The skiers *chose* to ski this way because
speed counts in this competition.  They are using strength in order to 
go fast.  This is NOT the context in which the question was asked.  Let's
advise this beginning bump skier to get in control and keep his speed
down first, then let him experiment with speed.

>  (John and I went to HS together ...)  If you do 
> not have the flexibility and quickness to do it at Olympic speed, you 
> adapt your technique to the conditions and _your_ condition.  
> 
> ...is only wrong in using "good" instead of "awesome" when describing who 
> usually is seen using this technique.  I take it more as a warning as to 
> what kind of shape you must be in to attempt to ski like that. 
> 

I acknowledge your mistake, but I still disagree with what you're saying.
You hold up the Olympic competition as a style that we should all aspire to.
I disagree.  It is only one of many styles that one might aspire to.  Perhaps
one would want to acheive the "looks like water flowing between the bumps"
style (i.e. no slamming).  In this case, the techniques one uses are
different and conditioning only determines how long you can do it.

Slam to your heart's content, just don't expect everyone to put you on
a pedestal.

John

From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:33:19 GMT
Subject: Please help -- need new skis.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


What are the best skis?

Price is no object.

-- LSC
From: Jim Isbell
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: World Extreme Skiing Championships
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:31:31 GMT
Organization: ARCO Alaska

"Extreme Skiers Try Finals Today" Anchorage Times, Monday, April 6.  Thompson
Pass, Alaska.

	"Extreme wind and a 1,000 foot "rag doll" fall that resulted in a broken leg
have been the big stories at the World Extreme Skiing Championships.
	Wind shear postponed the third day of the event Sunday, forcing the field of
37 of the world's most daring skiers to wait until this morning to tackle the
steep slopes of Loveland Mountain, a link in the Chugach chain about 27 miles
north of Valdez (Alaska).
	Jon Hunt, a 28-year-old ski mechanic and river guide from Wilson, Wyo.,
dazzled the six judges with two near perfect runs on Saturday to take the lead
from Jim Conway of Salt Lake City, Utah.
	Friday's opening runs were to be held on a north-facing slope called 27 Mile
Glacier - 2,600 vertical feet averaged at 35 degrees - but the winds there on
Thursday night were clocked at 40 mph, gusting to 100 mph.
	Conditions calmed down enough on Saturday for the skiers to return to 27 Mile
and all but one skier got in their two runs.
	That skier was Greg Bartlet, a 27-year-old ski salesman from Snowmass Village.
 After a respectable first run, Bartlet, competing in his first World Extremes,
lost control early in his second run after his "tails stuck," said Scott
Graham, another extreme skier and Bartlet's roommate.
	"That means his body made the turn but his skis didn't and he rag-dolled a
thousand feet before he stopped.  That's a long tumble, and he's lucky to have
only the injuries he has."
	Bartlet fractured his right leg in two places, injured an arm and received
moderate head lacerations.  He's listed in fair condition at Providence
Hospital in Anchorage.
	Graham, in the running at eighth place after Saturday, said the fall of his
roommate remains in the back of his mind but that it would not affect his final
performance.
	"My plan is no plan.  I'll start at the top and hope to be smiling at the
bottom.  I'm just here to have fun on the hill."

Final standing to be posted if you're interested.

Jim Isbell - Anchorage


 
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From: cavers@cs.ubc.ca (Ian Cavers)
Subject: Re: Conditions at Whistler, please!
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:09:58 GMT

In article <702219992.AA15143@flaccid> maura@pyra.co.uk (Maura Clark) writes:
>Hi,
>
>If anyone out there has the latest scoop on the conditions
>at Whistler I would be grateful for an update.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Maura
>maura@pyra.co.uk


  As of April 9 the weather has turned colder once again.

     Temp. Alpine:    -7c
     Wind:             5 to 10km
     Base:             250cm
     Conditions:       Hard pack on machine groomed runs. (The bowls are great!)
                       Down loading is in effect.

Last weekend Whistler and Blackcombe had 10 to 15cm of new snow.

Ian Cavers
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing on ice...
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:08:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

>>How I do I get a firm grip while turning on ice ?

This won't give you a firm grip but it is a technique I find useful in
some circumstances. I call it the windshield wiper for lack of a better
term.

If you ever take a "bump" class chances are the instructor will make you do
the following exercise. 
Upper body quiet and squarely facing downhill.
Weight centered on the middle of the foot.
Pivot your skis at 45 degrees one way, then to the other side and on and on.
This is what it would look like from an observer above you:


  // \\ // \\ \\ \\  -> fall line

If your weight is not centered you won't be able to "slide" your skis
around like that.
I found out that this works pretty good on ice. With your weight centered
above your skis you don't run the risk of loosing an edge. With the
skis always "scraping" you can keep your speed down fairly easily.

Now I wouldn't try this at high speed. I usually use this technique
in tight spots when there are a lot of skiers around. (Like an icy
cat walk...).

bruno.
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: How Do They Build Moguls?
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:05:10 GMT
Organization: Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power

>> > Nope.  Certain areas have better skiers than others.  The better the skiers
>> > the better the moguls.
>> 
>> This is almost right.  The better the *SNOWBOARDERS*, the better the
>> moguls.
>> 
Is it my imagination or are moguls alot smaller than they were in the 70's?
Maybe it's just that I'm a better skiier and they seem smaller.  Or
the trend twoards longer skiis in the eighties made them smaller.  Or
that snowboarders actually do a pretty good job of trimming them down
here in the 90's.  Or all of the above.



-- 
	Carlson Peters			111 N. Hope St. Rm 1129
	CPD Workstation Support		Dept. of Water & Power
	(213 481-7898			L.A. CA 90012
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing

**> What are the best skis?
**> 
**> Price is no object.
**> 
**> -- LSC

>    This is certainly a loaded question.  I have always had ...
>

Rob.  You are soooo gullible!  After the "How do they build moguls" fiasco,
you still haven't caught on!  This is just another "Sarcastic Chapman 
Comment to see how many people take it seriously"*  posting.   I bet he
has a script running to count the number of rubes that reply.

Sorry to ruin your fun Larry, but I gotta take pity on Rob, he skis Vail.

John



* U.S. Patent Pending
From: klaus@captain-crunch.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Avalanche death in Utah
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:48:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.23174
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Apr6.000324.17677@fivegl.co.nz> hugh@fivegl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
>What time of day was the avalanche?  Also, was it a slab or point release?
>(Just curious...)

10:30 AM, small surface slough.

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

_______________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Isbell
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Alaskan Heliskiing
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:22:08 GMT
Organization: ARCO Alaska

In article <1992Apr8.193318.292@tc.fluke.COM> lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell
Skoog) writes:
>Jim Isbell writes:
>
>>I had forgotten why I loved it so much...
>>                                                             ...A very
>>big part of all of this is the knowledge that up there you can point in most
>>directions and know without a bit of doubt that there isn't, hasn't and won't
>>be a human or a road or a trace of civilization for hundreds if not thousands
>>of miles.  Pure, untouched, abject wilderness that can easily swallow you up
>>and will most certainly erase all signs of your passing long before your
>>memories begin to fade.
>
>Sounds wonderful.
>
>Does it bother you entering this country in a helicopter?  It seems
>to me that the helicopter would diminish the experience somewhat.
>Certainly it would diminish the experience for someone who had
>reached the country on foot.  Do people who have heli-skied (or
>heli-hiked) ever have doubts about the practice?
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Lowell Skoog  M/S 223B                             lowell@tc.fluke.COM
>John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc. {uunet,uw-beaver,microsoft,sun}!fluke!lowell
>P.O. Box 9090
>Everett, WA, USA  98206-9090                            (206) 356-5283
>
Considering that there wouldn't be an experience without a helicopter I would
have to vote for using that method.  While it might be possible to get to the
valley floor beneath these runs after 10 - 20 hours on snowshoes (cross country
skiis, snow machines, etc. will not work in this kind of bottomless snow), the
necessity to escape the violent and unpredictable weather requires immediately
available mobility.

Also, when you consider flying in a jet at 500+mph from Seattle to Anchorage
and you're continuously over this same range of mountains for three hours and
in all of the times I've flown it (day and night) and not see a trace of human
intrusion, it's a huge piece of wilderness that for all intents and purposes is
inaccessible.  And this is only a VERY small portion of one of the lesser
mountain ranges up here.

One more point - it's also a renewable wilderness in that ALL traces of your
visit vanish in a matter of hours and considering that it's quite likely that
no one will go that way again for years and possibly generations, the next one
to visit it can have exactly the same experience as we did.

I can understand your concern but you have to understand "wilderness" in
Washington and Colorado and even British Columbia is a little different than it
is here.  Many people have no concept of the magnitude and dimensions of this
place (and there is great sensitivity among many of us about others' desires to
lock us out of our own back yard, a back yard they want to preserve "just so
they know it's there").  Off my soap box!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: drbill@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (william.h.davies)
Subject: Re: Cross-Training @ Ski slopes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:48:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.202132.7565@nlm.nih.gov> berman@ceb.csb writes:
>
>Any places in PA offer this?
>

I believe Doe Mountain (about 15-20 miles southwest of Allentown, 45-50
miles north of Philly) has mountain bike trails on its hills.  They had
several competitions there this past season.

You can confirm this by calling, 215-682-7109; current office hours are:
Tuesday and Wednesday, 10am-3pm.

Bill Davies, drbill@alux2.att.com
From: nrp@btcase.bt.co.uk (Reece Peacock)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing on ice...
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:43:39 GMT
Organization: British Telecom, Lion House, London.

crispin@csd.uwo.ca (Crispin Cowan) writes:

>In article <martel.703168473@marvin> martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel) writes:
>>How I do I get a firm grip while turning on ice ? The steel edges of my skis
>>do grip on the ice if I'm standing still, as long I tilt the skis enough.
>>But it seems to me that the skis are lying too flat on the ice when I turn,
>>causing  sideways slide. This doesn't seem to be a problem for better skiers,
>>they make fast, tight turns on ice with full grip. Any tips ?

>Push your knees forward and into the hill.  This causes your skis to
>tip over more, carving into the hill more effectively.

Also you could try to push your downhill ski slightly forward as you complete your
turn, this should make the ski slice into the ice (a bit like a knife) and give you
more grip. It should also put more pressure on the tail of the ski and stop it
washing out. One way to achieve this is to tense your calf muscle slightly, or
feel the presure in your foot and more it back on the heel.

Reece

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From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing on ice...
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:35:31 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel) writes:

> Hi folks !
> 
> I do I get a firm grip while turning on ice ? The steel edges of my skis
> do grip on the ice if I'm standing still, as long I tilt the skis enough.
> But it seems to me that the skis are lying too flat on the ice when I turn,
> causing  sideways slide. This doesn't seem to be a problem for better skiers,
> they make fast, tight turns on ice with full grip. Any tips ?
> 

The trick is to keep your center of gravity closer to your skis while still
getting angulation to put the skis on edge.  Ski like:
O       O
 \      |
  \     |
 /     /
/     /

the figure on the left (viewed from behind) instead of the figure on the
right.  The center of mass, centered over the skis, makes skidding less
likely.  


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From: morgan@xerox.jts (Morgan Jones )
Subject: Re: Skiing on ice...
Organization: /home/morgan/.organization
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:45:25 GMT

In article <martel.703168473@marvin> martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel) writes:

   I do I get a firm grip while turning on ice ? The steel edges of my skis
   do grip on the ice if I'm standing still, as long I tilt the skis enough.
   But it seems to me that the skis are lying too flat on the ice when I turn,
   causing sideways slide. This doesn't seem to be a problem for better skiers,
   they make fast, tight turns on ice with full grip. Any tips ?

IMHO, the best help in learning to ski on ice is learning to complete
your turns.  Most intermediate skiers get a little past the fall line
and then stop turning --- this makes their skis push snow and reduces
their speed.  Advanced skiers never stop turning; they turn as much
as they want and then immediately link into their next turn.  To slow
down, a more advanced skier will complete their turn to the point
where they are skiing uphill.

Intermediate skiers have problems on ice because when their skis stop
turning, they slip and lose their edge.  If you get a chance, get
yourself video'd (sp?) and see how far you get before your turns stop.


-- 
Morgan Jones           -    morgan@jts.com
From: lip@felina.Eng.Sun.COM (Philo)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Conditions at Heavenly, Squaw or Alpine?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:33:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: felina

I'm thinking about skiing at Heavenly, Squaw and/or Alpine this weekend.   

Does anyone know what the conditions are like?  Been there recently?  

Thanks for any info,
	John
From: shaks@cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan Schachter)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Backcountry in Maine
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:22:22 GMT
Organization: /u1/shaks/.organization


call NATO, the north atlantic telemark org.  they lead trips up
there.  you can get the number from REI in Reading.

jon