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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Bill Moyers: Listening to America
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:23:27 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <TOM.92Apr8075206@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com> tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:

+>Last night I watched the first program in the "Listening to America" series
+>Bill Moyers is producing for PBS (the series is scheduled to run weekly
+>through the November elections).


+>The first program was an examination of the influence of big money on
+>politics. It spent a lot of time on the S&L scandal. It was a very hard
+>hitting show which named names, followed the paper trail, and documented its
+>facts. (I also expect the Jerry Brown campaign to be giving out videotapes
+>of "Listening to America" soon, it did a far more eloquent job of bashing
+>big money politics that any of Brown's hysterical foaming at the mouth has
+>ever done).

	Its difficult to take someone as morally bankrupt as Bill Moyers
seriously though.  He is bias personified.  He was the front-man for 
Lyndon Johnson during the early days of vietnam and had also sorts of
other dirty jobs while in washington.  Yet for all his "moralizing", he
has never, ever looked at his own role in history.  And has always stayed
100 miles away from being critical of ANYTHING from the Johnson years.  
If you watch his stuff, the view comes across that "history" begins in 1968 
and then ends in 1977 and then begins again in 1980.  There was no 
"secret government" at work during the Johnson administration.  Alternatly
if there was a "secret government", it was all the work of a conspiracy
lead by Hoover, the military and the FBI.

	Bill isn't all that interested in bashing "big money politics", he
is interested in bashing big-money republican politics.  The noble democrats
from whom the Keeting senators sprang arn't very "interesting" to Bill.

Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: "@" party info for Balticon '92 
Originator: jon@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 22:16:43 GMT


Will there be one?  Where?
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: sac@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Sheila Como)
Subject: Starfest '92
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 14:13:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Keywords: Colorado, media convention

-------------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me--unless you just want to know my
impressions of previous conventions.  I'm not at all
affiliated with the convention organizers.   (sac)
-------------------------------------------------------------
STARFEST '92:  THE UNDISCOVERED CONVENTION
a multi-media convention

April 24, 25, and 26 1992
Holiday Inn I-70 and Chambers Road, Aurora, Colorado

Guests:
Michael Dorn (ST:TNG)     
George Takei (ST)
Jon Lovitz (Saturday Night Live)
Jeffrey Jones (Beetlejuice)

ST:TNG script co-ordinator Eric Stillwell
Movie publicists Jeff Walker and Terry Erdmann
Starlog Magazine Editor Dave McDonnell

Events:
dealer's room, art show, costume contest, play parody,
trivia, fan clubs, Japanese animation, federation ball,
art auction, model building contest, studio presentations
movies, sf tv shows, and more

Hotel:
Holiday Inn
Denver I-70 East at Chambers Road Exit
15500 East 40th Ave
Denver Colorado 80293
1-303-371-9494

Single day membership $15.00
Weekend membership (adult) $25
		   (child) $12.50

For more information or tickets write:
 Starfest '92 
 P.O. Box 24590
 Denver, CO  80224
 or call 1-303-671-8735

 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Please do not contact me.  I'm not affiliated with the convention.

Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons,ba.market.misc,rec.arts.sf.misc
From: ggurman@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Gail Gurman)
Subject: WANTED:  Baycon Memberships
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:00:03 GMT

We need two memberships for Baycon.  If you have one (or two) to sell,
please send email to ggurman@cory.Berkeley.EDU 
		  or repnomar@leland.Stanford.EDU

Thanks.

Gail and 
/Janet

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From: gts@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Gregory T. Samson)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons,rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Disclave '92 info?
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:08:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.23129
Reply-To: gts@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Followup-To: alt.fandom.cons
Distribution: usa

does anyone have hotel and date information for the baltimore MD
Disclave?  if so, please post it or e-mail it... i'd be greatly
appreciative.

thanks for your attention!

---
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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Re: Westercon 45 info wanted
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 92 23:01:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I posted the WesterColt .45 Progress Report #2 to rec.arts.sf.fandom a few
days back.  anyone wanting info might want to check there (if they haven't
already).
From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: MobiCon
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:50:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Mike_Whalen.0blc
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.


  Anyone have any information on addresses on MobiCon this year. I am
thinking about going.

Mike..

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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Re: Disclave '92 info?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:50:58 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

In article <23129@life.ai.mit.edu> gts@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Gregory T. Samson)  
writes:
> does anyone have hotel and date information for the baltimore MD
> Disclave?  if so, please post it or e-mail it... i'd be greatly
> appreciative.
> 

I don't know anything about a Baltimore Disclave. Someone posted
a lot of information on the Washington, DC Disclave a day or two
ago, though. You may try looking through the last couple of
days worth of postings.

--
Jim Mann                                       
jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com 
Stratus Computer
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling)
Subject: MAGICON!!!!! HELP! 
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:31:05 GMT

Please, please, PLEASE can somebody forward me the dates
for MagiCon in Orlando.  I need to know right away so that
I can buy my plane tickets ...

Thanks in advance.

- Cindy Ketterling  (ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.figaro
From: fsrsg@acad3.alaska.edu (Mycroft Holmes IV)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.figaro
Subject: receiving
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:14:40 GMT
Reply-To: fsrsg@acad3.alaska.edu
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a3


we just got it added onto our news server around 4 days ago...
what's it about?  have only gotten 2 messages so far...

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Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.figaro
From: khopkins@fraser.sfu.ca (Kory "The Great One" Hopkins)
Subject: Re: this newsgroup outside the US.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:50:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.175923.12608@cco.caltech.edu> sns@deimos.caltech.edu (Sam Southard Jr.) writes:
>I've been talking to people from Australia (for the VMS side of Figaro, which
>is right now far more widespread) who say they've not yet seen this newsgroup.
>I would appreciate it if anyone who is outside the US who can see this
>newsgroup would contact me, either via email or by a post to this group.


I get it in Vancouver, CANADA... but that is not that much
out of the US.

-KOS
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.figaro
From: sns@deimos.caltech.edu (Sam Southard Jr.)
Subject: this newsgroup outside the US.
Organization: Caltech Astronomy Department
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:59:23 GMT

I've been talking to people from Australia (for the VMS side of Figaro, which
is right now far more widespread) who say they've not yet seen this newsgroup.
I would appreciate it if anyone who is outside the US who can see this
newsgroup would contact me, either via email or by a post to this group.

And now an attempt to start some discussion.  Several of the mails I've seen
have asked for discriptions or comparisons of Figaro to other data processing
packages.  Since I do not have experience with other packages, I must rely on
input from astronomers.  Hopefully, this newsgroup will prove to be a
valuable source for that.  Therefore, I have a few questions to ask.  Please
post your responses, so we can get a discussion going.

	(1) How does Figaro compare to other packages?  What are its bad
		points?  How could they be eliminated?  What are its good
		points?  Be as specific or as general as you like.
	(2) In the past a lot of effort has gone into the file structure and
		the other underlying libraries, possibly at the expense of the
		applications.  What application areas are the most under-
		represented?  What types of new routines should be developed?
		One example of this is in data simulation.  A few routines are
		being developed at Caltech to do this, but they're still very
		immature.

-- 

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From: crssysop.rick@sosinc.wsnc.org (Crssysop Rick)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: COME AND PLAY
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: crssysop.rick@sosinc.wsnc.org (Crssysop Rick)
Organization: Southern On-line Services BBS - Winston-Salem, NC - 919-945-5593

-> Don'cha know?  Bev stays up all night playing with his computer -
-> midnight's not too late to call...

Sure, but I doubt his wife would be very pleased with me.  So far I'm on
her good side.  I'd really like to keep it that way <g>.
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From: bev.green@sosinc.wsnc.org (Bev Green)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: COME AND PLAY
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:44:00 GMT
Reply-To: bev.green@sosinc.wsnc.org (Bev Green)
Organization: Southern On-line Services

>Don'cha know?  Bev stays up all night playing with his computer -
>midnight's not too late to call...

       I'm slowing down in my old age Marianne, can't make it much
       past 2 a.m. anymore! ;-)

               ttyl...Bev
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From: david.johnson@sosinc.wsnc.org (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: FIDONET FRONT-END MAILER
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: david.johnson@sosinc.wsnc.org (David Johnson)
Organization: Southern On-line Services BBS - Winston-Salem, NC - 919-945-5593

CR>-> Try a copy of Dbridge  I can send a 1065 beta if you want to look at
CR>-> it
CR>
CR>Thanks for offering, for the time being I've got my hands full.  The
CR>documentation for FIDO-type software is like doing a book review on War
CR>and Peace. <g>

No kidding... In actual operation its like reading the National 
Enquirer..

We, of course, can see by the "standards" FTSC documents that they 
were all written by a committee.
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From: crssysop.rick@sosinc.wsnc.org (Crssysop Rick)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: COME AND PLAY
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: crssysop.rick@sosinc.wsnc.org (Crssysop Rick)
Organization: Southern On-line Services BBS - Winston-Salem, NC - 919-945-5593

->        Can CRSSYSOP Rick come out and play! ;-)
->
-> [Looking left, looking right]  Yup, Jud isn't in sight <g>...
->
-> But he's lurking around.... You mean you have time to play!

Uhhh, no sir.  Not me sir...

I'll just skulk back to my corner now...<g>
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From: crssysop.rick@sosinc.wsnc.org (Crssysop Rick)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: FIDONET FRONT-END MAILER
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: crssysop.rick@sosinc.wsnc.org (Crssysop Rick)
Organization: Southern On-line Services BBS - Winston-Salem, NC - 919-945-5593

-> Try a copy of Dbridge  I can send a 1065 beta if you want to look at
-> it

Thanks for offering, for the time being I've got my hands full.  The
documentation for FIDO-type software is like doing a book review on War
and Peace. <g>
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From: track.bbs@sosinc.wsnc.org (Track Bbs)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: FIDONET FRONT-END MAILER
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: track.bbs@sosinc.wsnc.org (Track Bbs)
Organization: Southern On-line Services BBS - Winston-Salem, NC - 919-945-5593

>I went through the motions of setting up FrontDoor on my home machine.
>Very nice indeed.  I quite like it.  But that's if I was using it


Try a copy of Dbridge  I can send a 1065 beta if you want to look at it


Dan C
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From: crssysop.rick@sosinc.wsnc.org (Crssysop Rick)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: FIDONET FRONT-END MAILER
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: crssysop.rick@sosinc.wsnc.org (Crssysop Rick)
Organization: Southern On-line Services BBS - Winston-Salem, NC - 919-945-5593

-> I can't give you statistics, but it does save on overhead.  Besides,
-> you can F'req things... :)

I went through the motions of setting up FrontDoor on my home machine.
Very nice indeed.  I quite like it.  But that's if I was using it
personally.  I don't know how we'd handle such a thing at CRS (keeping
in mind that we have a slew of plans ahead of anything like this, and
once we're done it might not fit at all).

I'll keep poking though.  It looks quite interesting.
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From: marianne.lombardo@sosinc.wsnc.org (Marianne Lombardo)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: COME AND PLAY
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: marianne.lombardo@sosinc.wsnc.org (Marianne Lombardo)
Organization: Southern On-line Services

-> Say, I've been meaning to call you, but I never think of it until
-> midnight.

Don'cha know?  Bev stays up all night playing with his computer -
midnight's not too late to call...
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From: ross.ridge@sosinc.wsnc.org (Ross Ridge)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: USENET
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: ross.ridge@sosinc.wsnc.org (Ross Ridge)
Organization: Southern On-line Services BBS - Winston-Salem, NC - 919-945-5593


KENTARO YAMAGUCHI writes:
>    I just have a question regarding access to USENET. There are two
>newsgroups that I am interested and would like to have it on my BBS for
>all my users and myself to enjoy. However, here at CRS, i make make this
>READ-ONLY to my users. Does anyone know is there any other way to mail
>feed from USENET? (Besides than joining Fido and use their gateway).

For a PCBoard system?  You can use either Sparkware's Usenet Gateway
that CRS uses ($3000 I'm told), or you can try uuPCB (~$100).
With either of these packages you can hook up to Usenet directly.
I'd recommend uuPCB, by all accounts it's a much better package.

                                                        Ross Ridge

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From: bev.green@sosinc.wsnc.org (Bev Green)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.fits
Subject: COME AND PLAY
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: bev.green@sosinc.wsnc.org (Bev Green)
Organization: Southern On-line Services BBS - Winston-Salem, NC - 919-945-5593

>Sure, but I doubt his wife would be very pleased with me.  So far I'm on
her good side.  I'd really like to keep it that way <g>.

       She's a sound sleeper! ;-)

               ttyl...Bev
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From: dmehring@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Mehringer)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.aips
Subject: MX error message
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:06:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: zia.1992Apr7.160647.20127
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

Could someone tell me what the following MX message is all about:

  APXPOS: ERROR IN INPUT NROW =  256, NCOL = 2046

I get this when setting NITER not equal to zero.
MX then proceeds to die.

What I have done that is a little unusual is dbconed
multi-configuration VLA data.  Before doing this I had to UVAVG the
larger configuration data from 10 sec to 30 sec.  I then DBCONed all
of the configurations and used the resulting uv data file as the input
to MX.
TiA



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From: leao@BUPHY0.BU.EDU (Joao Leao)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: GR and non-local causality (was: elapsed time near c etc)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:15:35 GMT
Distribution: na

eal) writes...
|> >In <22282@dog.ee.lbl.gov> sichase@csa2.lbl.gov writes:


|>On a (vaguely) related point: I was also under the impression that wave-vector
|> >collapse in quantum mechanics is not fully time reversible (I think I got
|> >this from an old Penrose paper). Is this compatible with general relativity?
|> 
|> Wave function collapse is not reversible at all.  But it is completely 
|> consistent with relativity, in the sense that it is possible to construct
|> a completely consistent quantum mechanical, and relativistic theory (known as
|> Quantum Field Theory) which provides a (to the best of our knowledge) a 
|> consistent foundation for all modern physics.
|> 
|> -Scott

The irreversibility of quantum measurement ("collapse of the wave function"
is a bit of a cartoon-like description of something considearbly more involved)
of which Penrose makes much in his book has been disputed in a famous historical
paper by Aharonov, Bergmann and Leibowitz. According to these authors the
apparent reversibility of the measurement process comes from the boundary
conditions rather than the dynamics of the process. Time symmetric measurements
which prepare both the initial and the final state can be proved to be fully
reversible, though somewhat impractical to put together. Aharonov has recently
returned to this idea in introducing a two-vector theory for the quantum
process which leads to the anticipation of some very interesting infects,
namely his "time machine" proposal. (read the last issue of Discover magazine).

The consistency of QFT does not in any way clear up the Measurement Problem
which affects the measurement of field variables as much as particle observables. This is not a question of consistency as much as a question 
of the Universality of Quantum Theory, that is, whether it is the ONLY
theory needed to understand the real or whether it needs to be suplemented
by Classical Theory when the problem of objectivating the values of
observables comes up...

							Joao Leao

Joao Pedro Leao (Artificial Iconoclast and Director of Computer Resources
Artificial Physics Lab * Boston University - Physics Dept. Boston MA 02215)
 	leao@buphy.bu.edu | leao@buphyc.bitnet | BUPHYC::LEAO 
"Well I am sitting here in Tahiti/ I am laying in the sun and sipping a...
...chartreuse tropical drink!/ and I say: I know those Bermuda shorts!..."
From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Another Reactionless Drive?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 16:52:49 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

> Question from Stefan Hartmann,c/o Workshop for
> Decentral Energy Research:

> Okay, how do You do it by not using reacting forces (Newton's 3rd law ) ???
> 

answer: YOU DON'T!

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: non-linear tidal forces.
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:22:08 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.196
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

In article <1992Mar31.093833.14296@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, rose@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (Kermit Rose) writes...
>In a very good explanation of gravitons and gravity, someone mentioned by 
>the way that gravitons could not be responsible for the non-linear tidal 
>effects of gravity.  This makes no sense to me.  It seems to me that the 
>tidal effects are simply the derived effects of direct gravitational 
>attraction.  The tides cause by the moon are because the water closer to 
>the moon is pulled slightly faster toward the moon than is the water 
>farther away from the moon.

This has already been addressed on sci.physics.  The experts stated that
there was no problem.  Gravitons account for all of the non-static
gravitiational force.  So you are correct.

>This leads to another question.  Do electric or magnetic forces show tidal 
>effects? How could we test whether or not electromagnetic tidal forces 
>exist?

If the Earth and Moon were uniformly charged dielectric spheres, then there
certainly would be EM tidal stresses.  But they are not.  There certainly must
be some electromagnetic interaction between the Earth and the Moon, but since
neither body has net charge it is a very weak interaction totally negligible
in comparison to gravity.

-Scott
From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Another Reactionless Drive?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:47:10 GMT
	<2125@transfer.stratus.com> <D791NYF@zelator.in-berlin.de>
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research

In article <D791NYF@zelator.in-berlin.de>, Stefan Hartmann (sh) writes:

In <2125@transfer.stratus.com> tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) writes:

sh> I red in the Book about the Cook device, that he was able to propell a
sh> little boot on the swimming pool !!

tn> I can come up with something that propells a boat in a pool,
tn> without violating any laws of physics.

sh> Okay, how do You do it by not using reacting forces (Newton's 3rd law ) ???

You can't. You didn't claim that was being done, you just claimed that
a boat was being propelled. 

Did anyone check this boat for soap, for instance?

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