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From: seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ed Seiler)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil-ante at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:43:27 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: Hughes/STX

In article <53277@mimsy.umd.edu>, nulspace@cs.umd.edu (Michael Chang) writes:

> Everything on this planet evolved in an open environment.  Roaming is not a
> preferential activity, it is merely the result of being hatched in the middle
> of a field.  In addition, chickens are completely domesticated.  Millions of
                                                                   ~~~~~~~~~~~
> years ago, ancient Babylonians (I'm not a student of history, so I might be
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> a little wrong here), in anticipation of styrofoam (and sauces in little
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> plastic containers), decided to breed and domesticate chickens.  It's a
little
> absurd to label chickens as wild animals.

To say the least! Or perhaps there was a "chicken age" that preceded the
development of civilization, but it has been kept a secret.

>
> [...]
> >waiting for yuou at Giant. Also, it is apparent that you
> >give no regard to the feeling of chickens.. thats something
>
> If you are so stressed over the feelings of chickens, what about the feelings
> of broccoli?  They are living creatures as well, and who are you to say that
> they don't have feelings as well?  To arbitrarily say that vegetables don't
> have feelings is the same as saying that chickens don't have feelings.

This reduction to absurdity of a point which some have argued has already been
reduced to absurdity seems pretty weak to me. Though the original posting
seemed extreme to me, I thought there were some subsequent postings that
raised some valid points about questionable practices going on at Purdue that,
if true, are a reasonable concern for many people. As for the industry in
general, there is certainly room for improvement. For instance, just compare
the bacteria levels of chicken sold in the U.S to that of chicken sold in many
European countries (e.g. Sweden). I suggest that there might exist a middle
ground here between the free-the-chickens movement and those who consider any
questioning of the industry a personal attack on their lifestyle.

>
> [various gripes about Frank Purdue's Industrial Activities deleted]
>
> If you don't like Mr. Purdue that much, go buy Holly Farms Chicken.  That is
> how consumers can directly affect the producers in the market.
Unfortunately,
> I've heard disturbing rumors about Dinah Shore.

That is one way to effect change. Another way is to exercise free speech. Both
approaches seem acceptable to me in our society. As for those rumors, I haven't
heard any since Colonel Sanders died.

Ed Seiler
seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: bryan@npri6.npri.com (Bryan Smith)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Maryland's Interstate Speeds
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:23:19 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

Has anyone noticed the cameras that sit high on top of poles on the I-95 portion
of the DC Beltway?  There is one going south-bound in Maryland a few miles
before the Potomac and several both north and south-bound in Virginia.  I heard
awhile back that they were trying out new ways to catch speeders.  Is this one
of them?  Does anybody know if the cameras are operational right now?

	Bryan


    
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: s5uagm@fnma.COM (Andrew Miller)
Subject: CROWD SIZE AT CHICKEN RIGHTS MARCH
Reply-To: s5uagm@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:26:37 GMT

	Anybody have a firsthand account of the "Eggs are embryos too" march? 

	I personnaly had the first bar-b-que of the season.  

	You guessed it... Chicken... lots of it... 


				Andrew 
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: declan@seas.gwu.edu (Declan McCullagh)
Subject: Media Protest on 4/16
Summary: Dissatisfied with election coverage?  Read on...
Originator: declan@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:30:40 GMT


There will be a demonstration on Thursday, 16 April to protest the
media's coverage of the 1992 election campaign.  The protest will be
aimed at the media in general, but specifically ABC News.

It will be held in front of:
	ABC News Washington Bureau
	1717 De Sales Street NW
	(between L & M Streets)
	4:00 PM - 6:00 PM

The demonstration, organized by Citizens for Brown, is especially
aimed at ABC News' Washington Bureau, which last week aired anonymous
accusations of drug use at Brown's Los Angeles residence.

For more information, send email...

-Declan / declan@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 11:16:26 EDT
From: Guy Hadsall <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: DC BBS's ????
Distribution: dc

I give, what are the *best* DC BBS's? VA ?  MD ?
From: nulspace@cs.umd.edu (Michael Chang)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil-ante at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:47:18 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

>> Everything on this planet evolved in an open environment.  Roaming is not a
>> preferential activity, it is merely the result of being hatched in the middle
>> of a field.  In addition, chickens are completely domesticated.  Millions of
>                                                                   ~~~~~~~~~~~
>> years ago, ancient Babylonians (I'm not a student of history, so I might be
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> a little wrong here), in anticipation of styrofoam (and sauces in little
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> plastic containers), decided to breed and domesticate chickens.  It's a
>little
>> absurd to label chickens as wild animals.
>
>To say the least! Or perhaps there was a "chicken age" that preceded the
>development of civilization, but it has been kept a secret.

I am not ignorant of human development, nor the development of civilization.
I have taken several courses in related areas, and find the topic interesting
enough to actually purchase books on it for individual reading.  The whole
post was designed to make fun of what I think is a really silly topic;
a candlelight vigil for the feelings of chickens.  "Millions" is much less
awkward to say/type than "tens of thousands of years".  I hope you're not
going to reply saying that it was in fact the Assyrians who had anticipated
styrofoam, and that the Babylonians had only predicted the coming of fondue
pots.

>That is one way to effect change. Another way is to exercise free speech. Both
>approaches seem acceptable to me in our society. As for those rumors, I haven't
>heard any since Colonel Sanders died.

Ob. dc related topic: Dinah Shore and Colonel Sanders were reputedly caught together 
vandalizing cars and stealing tires off of station wagons in Lot 4 at the University 
of Maryland.  They told the press that they didn't inhale, and didn't really like it.

I find that free-speech is an effective but not very efficient way of relaying your
thoughts to businesses.  For one who has time to sleep approximately every other
day, I think spending a day marching around, chanting, and holding a sign with some
sort of slogan on it is a really BIG waste of my time, especially when most 
business-men think with their pocket books and about 4th quarter net profit/share 
earnings.

mike
-- 
Michael Chang 	inet: nulspace@cs.umd.edu    Department of Computer Science
(EE Goofball)   uucp: uunet!mimsy!nulspace   University of Maryland, College Pk
From: lrogers@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Larry Rogers)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Horseback riding
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:18:41 GMT
Reply-To: lrogers@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Larry Rogers)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Hi,

My wife would like to go horseback riding on Saturday.  
We would like to go to a local park or other scenic area.  I heard that
there is a park out near Manassas that rents horses.  I would appreciate any
recommendations.

Larry
lrogers @oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: um.general,dc.general,rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
From: ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna)
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Organization: Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:40:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.093427.22448@wam.umd.edu> ltvortex@wam.umd.edu (Silvanus) writes:

>In article <ac.49@apmaths.uwo.ca> ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes:
>>>In article <53275@mimsy.umd.edu> peyote@umiacs.umd.edu (Gary W. Flake) 
>>writes:

In response to a fairly nasty posting by Gary W. Flake, I was amused by the 
extent to which Mr. Flake erred in his spelling and grammar.  I used this 
shortcoming to illustrate the workings of arbitrary discriminations.  
Silvanus (wow, what a cool name) and several others protested what they 
viewed as comments inappropriate to this bulletin.  Unfortunately, they don'
t have the damnedest clue to some of the fundamental principles of ethical 
vegetarianism so they missed the point, missed the joke, and missed the boat.
What else is new?

>>>Let me get this strait: You want me to kill all of the meat that I
>>>eat? I suppose that you also want me to grow my own food, construct my
>>>own home, as well as create my own medicine. After all, it is well
>>>known that there is corruption in all of these industries.
>>
>>"strait" refers to a narrow body of water connecting two larger bodies of 
>>water; perhaps you meant "straight".  i think Sandip's point was simply one 
>[etc...]
>>>I like having convieniences. Because people specialize, we become
>>>more adept at specific areas. I'll take the prepackaged chicken,
>>>thank you.
>>
>>i think you meant "conveniences", unless you're trying to invent a new word.
>>
>[etc...]
>this is not alt.english.correction

>Silvanus     ...yes! we_insert_standatd_disclaim. (sp?)



yaaawwwwwwn.  i can't believe how many people missed the point in my 
posting.  The punchline illustrated the arbitrariness with which we draw 
lines between ourselves and others.  My point is that when we say that we 
humans are so superior to other creatures we use criteria which conveniently 
place us at the top of the heap.  This is not just a philosophical point; 
the work of alot of animal behaviourists backs up this idea.  The whole 
discussion of animal intelligence has taken on a fascinating turn wherein 
we realize that different species have different talents, different modes 
of expression, different manners of communication.  The notion of a 
hierarchy is absolutely archaic.  The different species of animals, to 
quote an idea forwarded by Aarne Ness (of deep ecology fame), may be 
regarded as nodes in a net, an interconnected web of life. 

oh well, i guess the humour was just too subtle for some people.

alka
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 04:51:58 EDT
From: Jim McIntosh <jim@american.edu>
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Airport Noise
Distribution: dc

In article <18005@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence
Mulvihill) says:
>Does anyone know of a contact point for a local
>organization against aircraft noise ? A name and
>phone number or e-mail address would be most
>appreciated.  Actually, if there is a terrorist
>organization running operations against National
>I might also be interested B->.

Well, you're with the Navy.  Can't you "lose" a
cruse missile in the direction of National?  :-)
---
Jim McIntosh (jim@american.edu)
The American University
Washington DC 20016-8019 USA
Newsgroups: dc.general,rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
From: cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart)
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:42:07 GMT

In article <92101.174906CGAVER@auvm.american.edu> Cynthia S. Gaver <CGAVER@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>Congratulations on the organization of this event!  Good luck to anyone who
>would take on the likes of Frank Perdue, who offended the likes of Oprah
>Winfrey and sentient beings everywhere including his very own staff.  What
>better way to spend a spring day by raising consciousness on the Eastern Shore!

First, how can you use the terms "Oprah Winfrey" and 
"sentient beings" in the same sentence?  She would
be as bad as Geraldo, except that he has a dick ;-)

Seriously, ~consciousness raising" and "chickens"
in the same sentence?  Either you dont know much  
about chickens or you dont know much about conciousness.


Cherry

Newsgroups: dc.general
From: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Subject: Funny world
Reply-To: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:53:27 GMT


1. Abortion rights march postings.

2. Protest of suffering chickens postings.
From: lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angelito Lucena)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:04:51 GMT
Reply-To: lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angelito Lucena)
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Carderock

----- News saved at 17 Apr 92 19:01:16 GMT
In dc.general, seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ed Seiler) writes:
>  Really? What do you think of monkey brains, sheep's testicles, dog, cat,
>and insects? Surely you wouldn't limit yourself so much that you wouldn't
>Ed Seiler
>seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov

you know,  these aren't really all that bad.  i guess it all depends on
where you grew up.  protein is protein.  some protein just tastes better
than others.  however, i draw the line on 'long pig'.  too tough.

ps.  this is getting silly. let people decide for themselves what
they want to do.  this 'eat chicken' vs 'don't eat chicken' is a 
personal choice that you alone make.  don't force your opinions
on others.

lito lucena
lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil
 now at  :  dtmb, cdhq, nwsc          'if the defaults weren't good enough,
 formerly: dtrc, carderock                  they wouldn't be defaults.....'
							bill's sister
From: Deacon.Maccubbin@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Deacon Maccubbin)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: CROWD SIZE AT ABORTION RIGHTS MARCH
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:03:24 -0500

In fairness, I was also at the march the entire day, from about 10:30 at the
Ellipse until about 4 on the Mall, and I never saw any signature gatherers, nor
was I asked to sign (darn it!). But I agree with your estimates.
From: carolyns@cs.umd.edu (carolyn seaman)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Boston->DC Trip
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:03:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


>If you want to get fancy, try I-95 to I-284 (??) to I-84,
>across the Tarpanzee Bridge, to I-81 and down through
>Pennsylvania, out I-83 in Harrisburg (to Baltimore and
>the East side of DC) or out Rt 15 to I-270 to Frederick
>and the West side of DC.

>Terence

These directions definitely are better through New England, but after
crossing the Tappan Zee Bridge, take I87 south, which becomes the
Garden State Parkway in New Jersey.  The Parkway then hooks up with
the NJ Turnpike near Edison, NJ, and then it's straight down I-95
to DC.

-Carolyn

From: Liz.Lane@p938.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Liz Lane)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Hotel/B&B Recommendations Desired
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 10:42:49 -0500

 AR> I'm sorry to contradict you on this, but my family had
 AR> a TERRIBLE experience at the Capitol Hill Hotel.  

Sounds as though it was a pretty bad experience, but it also seems
to be an isolated one. My grandparents have now stayed there several
times, as have my ex-in-laws. Both are elderly, and found that the
staff was quite helpful.


Newsgroups: dc.general
From: cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christopher Boes)
Subject: Re: Airport Noise
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Distribution: dc
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:05:49 GMT

In article <18005@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill) writes:
> Does anyone know of a contact point for a local
> organization against aircraft noise ? A name and
> phone number or e-mail address would be most 
> appreciated.  Actually, if there is a terrorist
> organization running operations against National
> I might also be interested B->.
> 
> Thanks-
>
If you don't like airport noise, then why did you move next to one?
The easiest way to eliminate the noise is to move away from it.

clb
 
From: Liz.Lane@p938.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Liz Lane)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 17:09:06 -0500

 CP> >That's odd; I walked through and around crowds there for almost
 CP> >two hours and I didn't see any evidence whatsoever that signatures
 CP> >were being collected. If someone would put me in touch with NOW
 CP> 
 CP> Okay, okay! I wasn't at the Ellipse before the march, when, I'm
 CP> told, the signatures were collected. I did view the crowd from
 CP> the Washington Monument grounds, but spent most of my time
 CP> at the other end of the march.

I was there at the beginning, when signatures were being collected. I also
saw signatures being collected throughout the march. If someone didn't
see them being collected, that's even *more* evidence that the signature
count was lower than the actual count.

I was near the end of the march, and was stalled on 17th street for over 
an hour because there were too many people for us to be able to even move
forward. I was also at the march in '89, and this was substantially more 
people. The difference this time is that they were more spread out.

As a Univ. of Michigan grad who spent many Saturday afternoons in a 
football stadium with 105,000 other people, I can say with some certainty
that (1) the size of the crowd in '89 was substantially larger than the
number of people in the Michigan stadium during a game, and (2) that the
size of the crowd last week was substantially larger than in '89.

Metro ridership figures are one of the best for something like this, since
it's a definitive figure, and is easily compared to other weekends. There
were also plenty of people who showed up on foot (like me) because they
lived or were staying nearby, or who got dropped off by buses.
From: kwinkler@pbs.org (The Axe Man)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Sunday's NOW Protest
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:16:39 EDT
Distribution: dc
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Apr7.024257.25168@verdix.com>, scotty@verdix.com (Scott R. Chilcote) writes:
> mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) writes:
> 
>>Wow! a crowd of 750000 or even 500000 sure is a lot!
>>But as you look at the pictures in today's Post just think
>>that if every baby aborted in 1991 alone had somehow showed up,
>>there would be more babies than marchers (and about half of them
>>would have been girls)!
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 1720.1       ?
>>David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC    ___/-\____
>>Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   Phone (301) 227-2431          (__________>|
> 
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Unfortunately, parents willing to pay for them, raise them, and make sure
> they were not abused would not have shown up, either.
> 
> Education prevents unnecessary abortions.  Legislation, on the other hand,
> makes lawyers wealthy and women go outside the law to exercise their right
> to choose what happens inside their bodies.

Okay children.  This is the COMPLETELY wrong forum for this discussion.
I don't care who started it, I want it stopped.  If I have to come back
there and separate you two...

In all seriousness, this kind of discussion can go on in e-mail, or a 
more appropriate newsgroup.  This group is for news and items of specific
interest to the DC area.  The rightness and wrongness of abortion does
not qualify, and it will only serve to increase the volume and make it
difficult for some of us to get to the items that we subscribe to this
group for.  Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.

						----Ken Winkler
						    (kwinkler@pbs.org)

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 23:41:03 EDT
From: Guy Hadsall <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Boston->DC Trip
Distribution: usa
 <1992Apr07.204330.13555@eng.umd.edu>

You all missed the alternative of *not* driving but taking an alternate
mode of transportation; air, bus, train, or boat.

I'll pick the train alternative, same time but *NO* rush hour, no tickets
to worry about, no fear for ones life it you break down in the wrong area,
and costing only $120 roundtrip from Union Station to DT Boston.

Amtrack   1-800-USA-RAIL
From: hunter@work.nlm.nih.gov (Larry Hunter)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Charcoal source
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:44:42 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: National Library of Medicine


Netters,

I am a dedicated BBQ'er, and I need a source of reasonably priced
hardwood charcoal in the DC area.  Last fall, I had a chance to buy a
pallet of "Connecticut Old-Fashioned Hardwood Charcoal" which was a
great deal, but I'm running low.  I've seen this brand at Hechinger's
at $5 for 10 lbs (and at Fresh Fields for $7!) but I go through too
much of it to pay those kind of prices.  I would be willing to buy a
100 lbs or more if that made a difference.  I live in Montgomery Co.,
near the DC line, but I have a truck and would be willing to drive a
ways for the right deal...

Any suggestions?

		Larry

--
Lawrence Hunter, PhD.
National Library of Medicine
Bldg. 38A, MS-54
Bethesda. MD 20894
(301) 496-9300
(301) 496-0673 (fax)
hunter@nlm.nih.gov (internet)