From: john@anasaz (John Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: W.C. of AfAms
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:07:20 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, AZ, USA

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In article <1992Apr12.214555.20288@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
]In article <1992Apr11.162024.9268@anasaz> john@anasaz (John Moore) writes:
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]>The problem with AA is that it DOES lead to quotas. My daughter yesterday
]>was looking at scholarships. She found most she could not get because
]>she is not black, and found one she could get (but others could not)
]>because she is a female math whiz. What sort of message do you think she
]>got from this?
]>
]There are many scholarships for women also. What book are you looking 
]at ? How do respond to the fact that there has been this old boy
]system which has benefited white males for centuries ? AA is just to make 
]sure that whites, which have a long history of discrimination, don't
]discriminate on the basis of color, etc. If there are any quotas its the
]perpetuation of white males in positions of power and authority.

The MESSAGE she gets is that you worth is related to your skin color
and sex. As far as old-boy systems, these have always existed and always
will, but the US has less of that than many countries.

If AA is for what you say, it wouldn't have black-only scholarships, it
would just outlaw white-only scholarships. Come to think of it, have you
EVER seen a white-only scholarship?

]>Furthermore, as soon as AA is government sanctioned, it leads to quotas
]>because this is the only way a business or government agency can defend
]>itself against lawsuits.
]>
]Businesses must show that they have made a satisfactory effort to recruit 
]qualified minorities. They are not mandated by law to hire them. The question
]arises when you see alot of whites being hired in an area that has a high
]number of non whites present as well. There are have been numerous cases of
]whites not hiring AfAms regardless of their qualifications. Just recently
]it was reported that when qualifications are equal between white and
]black applicants, the whites are three times more likely to be hired than
]the black. As long as such discrepancies exist there is still a need for
]AA laws.

Let's come down from the ivory tower and look at the real world. In
today's litigous society, there is no way to show "satisfactory effort"
without setting numerical quotas. This is the problem - it forces
racial discrimination.

]>]what you are implying. Black racism is a direct result of White racism. I am
]>]not saying that this justifies Black racism, but I think White racism must end
]>]first.
]>
]>Bullshit! This really offends me. In spite of your disclaimer, by requiring
]>White racism to end first you are justifying black racism.
]>
]How do you know that this supposed "black racism" isn't the result of
]"white racism" ? What examples do you have of a black person not hiring a
]white person solely because they are white ? I don't think you can answer the
]previous question because whites have been and still are oppressive of blacks
]until its impossible to see black racism as seperate from the response to being
]placed in a very oppressive situation.

Now you are passing the buck. Racism is the result of a person being
racist. It is not a justified "response" to white racism - "two wrongs
don't make a right." People who take responsibility for their own actions
will not blame their racism on others!

I know a lot of white people, but I know none who are oppressing blacks.

-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
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"Modern liberals are the termites in the structure of our society."
  John Moore
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