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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: A Shameless PLUG!
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:33:04 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Wednesday November 18 1992 18:59, Aaron C Gillum wrote to All:

 ACG> I totally agree.
 ACG> Buy! buy! buy!
 ACG> Let's help him run all the bloodsuckers out of the sport!

You were refering to the comment about Hamilton Hobbies (my company) and
our low prices. But, lets not call all the shops that sell paintball
supplies "bloodsuckers". Keep in mind, your local shop is there when you
need to go in and get personal assistance. They deserve your business,
and without it, there won't be anyone to go to for help when you need it.

That sounds ironic in a sense, since I'd like all of you to buy from me.
But, if you need "smaller" items, like guppies, camos, paintballs, repair
parts, wire stocks, bottles, and so on, why not buy them locally. I know
from years of experience as a retailer that profit is made on the high
volume, small ticket items in this sort of business. The high price gun
should not be a source of profit for the retailer so much as a source of
future patronage.

However, business is business, and I'm not in business to make money for
some other merchant. So, if you want a new gun, some state-of-the-art prot-
ection gear, something that will take a major bite out of your wallet even
at our prices, send your business my way. I'm just a little guy without an
overriding fixation on maximum profits.

Now, THAT was a shameless plug! :-)

John

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From: v125mf9n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Indra Geerts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball booby traps
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1e68c9INNc5n@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster) writes...
>I am intrerested in hearing opinions, anectdotes, etc. regarding paint grenades, mines and other non-gun methods of
>painting one's opponents. I have seen some such things advertised in catalogs but have never heard of them being used
>in Stateside games. Any info is apprecitated

  Well, I've used a couple grenades from Strange Ordinance. They are the M69/A2
grenade, and retail at 7$, which is a bit steep. 
  This grenade is a small explosive in a canister of paint just larger than a 
fist. It has a pin, which prevents removal of a small plastic cap. This cap
has a string attached to it which runs into the grenade. So, you pull the pin,
jerk the cap off, and lob it to where the opposing player is. When you pull
off the cap, the grenade makes a hissing noise (exactly like a CO2 tank being
changed :)). It has a fuse that I am told is five seconds, but really feels
like three.
   One, do not allow the grenade to freeze or get put by the heater, as it 
messes up the fuse, and it'll probably go off in your hand. Two, the explosive
is not large enough to injure (see One. We had one go off in hand). Three, the
blast radius is not large. Perhaps three steps to either side, and it's kind
of erratic. Four, they _are_ pretty reliable as far as working, as I've only 
heard of one not working (see One and Two) out of several cases.
   So I've found that these grenades work best indoors, preferably if you've 
bottled someone up in a bunker. If the grenade doesn't get him, it'll 
probably flush him. Or, if you hear someone on the other side of a wall, 
lobbing one over is a lot easier than jumping around the corner to shoot at
him. All in all, though, I think the best possible use is to scare somebody,
either flush them so you can pick them off, or to provide cover for your 
advance. For that purpose, I make sure the other team is aware that I have
a grenade, and that they've all seen it. I also exagerate the blast radius a 
bit.
   Oh, by the way, its a bit tricky pulling off the cap and lobbing the 
grenade while holding a gun, I usually have to put down my gun, pull the
pin, then the cap, pause, lob it, snatch up my gun, and start shooting.
   I am just starting to work with dummy grenades. I'll let you know how they 
work.

> 
> 
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Subject: Re: Fixed amount of paint per player..
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:08:22 -0600

In article <1992Nov18.040045.879@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>  writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.142001.2373@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>>What do you all think of this? I think it would make the game more fun to
>>...
>I just read in one of the magazines that some tournament gave each team an
>allotment for the first round and then another (different) allotment for
>...
>As for regular weekend fun playing, I'd like to see something similar but I
>don't see as how you'd be able to enforce it effectively.  From my
>experience, there's just too many people who like to hose.

It would have to be by concensus, I guess.
The reason I asked is that I have only played once (one 3-hour day with about 15-20 friends)
and we had limited amounts of $$. The result seems to be different from what I hear about
"hose-ball." I played with a semi-auto, so I did get to spray a few times.. But the risk
of doing so made it all the more exciting, I think.
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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Fixed amount of paint per player..
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:54:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.195141.9273@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
[...]
>What's there to enforce?  After frisking players (at the chrono) and
>lketting them onto the field.  If they wanna hose their 40 rounds, let 'em.
>After that they can play decoy. ^_^

Frisking?  I don't THINK so!  We are (at least I was :-) talking about
recreational playing.  Frisking as part of playing in a tournament is one
thing but no way in just for fun games.  This would give a very bad
impression to [gee, I was going to say 'outsiders' but it just plain looks
be].

As I said, I think that this type of game has some neat attractions and
might work but it's got problems too (as others have pointed out).  My
opinion is that a field would probably benefit from offering multiple game
formats (though not necessarily all on the same day).  Then everybody can
have their cake and not feel overwhelmed by others who like to throw
theirs.

Go wild,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: The PLUGS continue...
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:48:27 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Nov19.141635.4100@wkuvx1.bitnet> hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>
>I called DRACO not too long ago about purchasing a Trracer. When the
>recording told me there was a $15! Shipping charge, I hung up! I have
>called everyplace in Action Pursuit Games and in the state of
>Tennessee and I have yet to find lower prices than John's at Hamilton
>Hobbies. We have a monopoly here in Nashville.

Ya, this is his biggest problem, but... he charges 15 bucks no matter
what you order, so if you order 10 cases of paint he still charges 
15 bucks.  Hamilton Hobbies might be cheaper, then order from him
I am just saying that I like DRACO.  I will of course by where my
money gets me the most.  Hey John can you send me a price list. ???

Bjs


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From: marder@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Stephen Marder)
Subject: Other ways of referring to 'paintball'
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:29:12 GMT

   I appeal to the experts: I have been informed that 'paintball' may also
be referred to as 'coloured-ball war games', 'tag warfare' and (in Ohio)
'splat ball'. Can readers give me some feedback on these names? Are they
synonymous with 'paintball'? What other local or regional names do you
know for what appears to be the standard name of 'paintball'?

   [My apologies for asking what must look like a laughable series of
naive questions. Feel free to email any responses rather than tie up the
net with a public posting.]













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From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: A Shameless PLUG!
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:46:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.090222.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>  I got one of their prices lists and I have to agree that the prices are
>great.  I have been thinking of buying a Automag and can't find a better price
>I am reluctant to spend that kind of money unless I know more.  Has anyone
>purchased a gun (especially an Automag) from them and were you satisfied?  I
>hear that Automags are scarce these days and I don't want to wait a couple of
>months to receive one after I place the order.  I have been tempted to buy an
>Automag from DRACO (I called a couple of days ago and they do have them in
>stock).  I have used them in the past and been very satisfied.  I noticed a
>couple of other netters have mentioned DRACO.  What are peoples experiences
>with them?  Since "shameless plugs" is the subject, what are peoples
>experiences with other companys (good or bad)?

AutoMag "Also know as Dial-A-Welt" is simply the best warm weather gun on the
market.  Sorry Zander, I know you love WGP equip, but to make an AutoCocker
work you have to dump many "enhancements" into it.  You yourself have said that

Ok, No maintance on the AutoMag, Easiest gun to break-down, and fix if it does
have problems.  I had a bad Power tube spring and ADG Fed-Ex'ed me the replace
ment part in 2 days.  Many complain it doesn't have the range that WGP products
have, I personally haven't seen this, but it might be true.

DRACO, good company.  I bought all my equipment from them, and yes AutoMags
are going to be hard to get real soon like.  DRACO will make you happy.

Bjs
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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: BlackRain & other questions ...HELP!
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:11:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.042742.710@eng.ufl.edu> bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith) writes:
>
>AutoMag has the probelm.  Another thing I hate is the cost of the Power
>Feed.  I bought my AutoMag without it, and now they want to charge 100 bucks
>to upgrade it.  100 bucks ??? Geez.  

i was told pro team products will be introducing a new power feed for
variuos guns. might just want to wait...

>BTW I have a TASO silencer on my stock barrel, people are really impressed
>with how quiet the gun is.  It is well worth the 20 bucks.  Also my solution
>for a spooged barrel is.... change barrels.  Much faster :)

spooged???


cu
-pete


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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: How do you like your semiauto?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:03:09 GMT

In article <1edtc7INNqe5@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
[...]
>I got a team discount on the hopper ~$60.00 and then removed the
>end cap and sealed it off to create a 180rd hopper.

Hmm... Sounds like a cool setup.

>Gun hits count and I have shot at many hoppers my self, so the
>smaller the profile the better for me.  The I.S. hopper is 
>like having a barrage balloon on your gun, IMO.  In certain
>situations having trouble free feeding in order to supress opposition
>to aid in a push is necessary.  I tend to use three round bursts, but
>in things like speedball, and pushes, I have to let paint fly to aid my
team.

Yes, the I.S. hopper is a big target but from seeing/playing/etc. with
people who have the VL 2000, it (VL 2000) doesn't seem all that much
smaller (profile wise) but then again maybe a little is enough. :-)

>On the typhoon subject, I know Bud Orr is a reputable manufacturer and
>he stands behind his product much like Tippman does, and that is a plus
>in my book.  When spending this kind of money on a toy, I expect more than
>an "as is"/"Brakelight" warranty.  Who makes the typhoon??

Yep.  This is very important to me too.  That's why I got a Pro/AM.  The
thing that got me about the Typhoon was that it's incredibly simple
(compared to the auto-cocker).  I'm not sure who actually makes it.  I'm
going to (try to) find out this week.

John

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From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Subject: Re: Fixed amount of paint per player..
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Corp.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:46:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.142001.2373@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>What do you all think of this? I think it would make the game more fun to
>have a limited amount of paint for each person playing. (Say.. 40 balls 
>per round?)
>
>Opinions?

Have you ever played 10-ball?  You have to play the game with only
10 paintballs.  It sure is different.  You really concentrate on making
EVERY shot count.  It is hard to play after playing a hard and fast
"lay the paint" type of game.  People with itchy fingers usually run out
in the first five minutes and become canon fodder after that.  That is,
they advance in the lead to draw fire, then you paste whomever pasted them.
Personally, I don't like it.  It is just too slow, but once in a while,
it is a nice change, but not too often.



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From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: re: post your field prices
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:45:20 GMT
Reply-To: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Distribution: na
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Originator: sew@condor


In article <rotheroe.722543611@convex.com>, rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
|> >> To give you an idea of costs.  Normal green fees is $25.  Filling a 7 oz
|> >> costs $4-5 and about half of the fields still ban carry-on paint.  Field
|> >> can costs $18 for a 100 to a bargin price of $150 a case.  On average, NJ
|> >> fields are more liberal and fairer in prices than NY fields.  Its cheaper for
|> >> me to drive 3 hours to Wolf's Lair (now known as Adventure World) than to play
|> >> at some of the local NY fields.  Go figure.
|> 
|> >	HOLY SMOKES!!!  Where have you been playing???  Maybe it's just that I
|> >live in Utah, but the field I play at quotes prices a third to half of the ones
|> >you listed!  IPPA members play for $10, non-members - %15.  A 7oz fill is 3
|> >dollars, and if your group buys paint as a group, paint is a MAX of $7 for 100
|> >rounds.  And on the price of a case of paint, I've seen it as low as $85 a
|> >case, (tack on some for shipping) and no, it wasn't Cal-Mag!
|> 
|> Where I usually play:  $5 field fee, $3 7-12oz, $5 20oz, paint $0.04-$0.05
|> per ball depending on brand by the case, about $6/100 in bags, carry on
|> paint allowed at no additional charge.  Now there is a hugh (320 acres)
|> field that I like better, but they only allow carry on paint, and the best
|> they get is $0.09 a painteball.  Not surprisingly, they are wondering why
|> so few people come back...
|> 

   Here in NY I get stuck paying $30.00 !!!!! and ( drum roll please) 
 10 bucks per 100 paintballs. I buy my own paint, but the field fee is 
 terrible. And they give anyone with their own marker a hard time. There
 are times when the head cheese won't let me on the field, but he eventually
 gives in. Anyone with a semi will get a hard time, even if you play on a 
 "modified" field. 

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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Fixed amount of paint per player..
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:00:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.142001.2373@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>What do you all think of this? I think it would make the game more fun to
>have a limited amount of paint for each person playing. (Say.. 40 balls 
>per round?)

I just read in one of the magazines that some tournament gave each team an
allotment for the first round and then another (different) allotment for
the succeeding round(s).  It was something like 10,000 rounds for the first
round and 5,000 additional for the final round.  This worked out to
something like averaging 400 rounds/player/game which seems like it would
be kinda low for some of these pros. :-)

As for regular weekend fun playing, I'd like to see something similar but I
don't see as how you'd be able to enforce it effectively.  From my
experience, there's just too many people who like to hose.

Have fun,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU


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From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: BlackRain & other questions ...HELP!
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:27:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.110633.1691@newstand.syr.edu> aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...) writes:
>I don't know if this is the setup you are talking about, but Smart Parts
>and Air America have created the "Smart Remote" which consists of a Smart
>Parts remote setup, AND a Whispering Death that you carry on your back,
>rather than have slapped on the bottom of your gun...  The setup costs
>$170, quoted from Billy "I'm the Captain of the All Americans you know.."
>Gardner(<===Zander bud.... Take notice of the spelling..) himself...
>Bill says it theoretically should work well in the cold... My friend is
>getting one for his Automag, so we'll see...

I would really like to hear his impressions about this setup, I run remote
already, but in about 50 degree weather you can write off rapid firing.
I have thought about placing a filter of some sort in the air line to 
increase the surface area that collects heat.  It is a shame that the
AutoMag has the probelm.  Another thing I hate is the cost of the Power
Feed.  I bought my AutoMag without it, and now they want to charge 100 bucks
to upgrade it.  100 bucks ??? Geez.  

BTW I have a TASO silencer on my stock barrel, people are really impressed
with how quiet the gun is.  It is well worth the 20 bucks.  Also my solution
for a spooged barrel is.... change barrels.  Much faster :)

Bjs



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From: falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood)
Subject: looking for places in central Illinois or St. Louis
Summary: where are paintball "fields" in central illinois or St. Louis
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:22:39 GMT

i am looking for a place to go 'paintballing' in central illinois or St.
Louis or Chicago areas... anywhere within about 3 hrs of Peoria so i guess
that this sort of includes eastern Iowa... if anyone has any info on places
in this area any info you have would help like phone #'s locations
addresses and stuff like that...

thanks in advance
D. Nathan Hood
falcon@camelot.bradley.edu
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From: glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto)
Subject: Re: How do you like your semiauto?
Keywords: semiauto paintball
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:47:14 GMT

In article <Bxo8JE.8F@fang.att.com> bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer) writes:

>I'm looking to purchase a semi-automatic paintgun and I have narrowed it
>down to the PMI-3, F1 Illustrator and the Tippmann Pro Am.  I was 
>wondering what those of you who own one of the aforementioned guns, 
>thought about your guns?  My main concerns are:

>    1. Reliable operation.
>    2. Ease of cleaning and maintenance.
>    3. Minimal ball breakage.

>If your gun was stolen by pygmies would you replace it with the same
>model or pick something different?  If something different, what would
>it be?  Email responses would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


I own a VM-68 with a Smart Parts barrel and a Indian Springs 200 round 
loader.  I like it A LOT.  It is VERY reliable, and rarely breaks paint, and
can take severe abuse.  It is easy to clean, but is more time consuming than 
most (several screws and some big parts to remove).  It takes 15 minutes to 
clean, which isn't too bad.  It weighs more than most guns, but I have not 
found this to be a problem.

If pygmies stole my gun, AND I had a lot of money to spend, I would get an 
AutoMag with a powerfeed.  They are very reliable, rarely break paint, and a 
snap to clean.  They are also very light and gas efficient (which the VM-68 
is NOT).  However, it costs well over $400 for this setup.

IMHO, the VM-68 is the best for the money.  For $320 you cna get the gun, a 
good barrel, and a big feeder.  You will now be ready to rock.  The VM-68 
with a Smart Parts barrel is quiet, accurate, and has great range.  A ProAm 
similarly equiped will cost much more, as will an Illustrator.  Also, I have 
seen Illustrators in action, and don't think they are as good a gun.  Not as 
reliable, and the VM-68 has much better range.






Joe

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