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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Toxic water was Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:38:31 GMT
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Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1993Jan20.201308.21805@pixel.kodak.com> young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young) writes:
>>  I'm not sure what "de-ionized" water would be, exactly. I guess the
>>legend is that you get an ion imbalance :-) I'm not a physicist but I

>"De-ionized" water is essentially the same as "distilled" water.
>It is water which has no impurities dissolved in it (the dissolved
>impurities form ions while in solution, hence the terminology).

Ah, thanks, makes sense! This does not sound like a life-threatening
substance. I'd imagine that we would still get more than our minimum
daily requirement for impurities from other substances :-)  :-(

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From: claudiak@i88.isc.com (Claudia Kale (STG))
Subject: Re: Children... Milk is good food!
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:27:38 GMT

In article <1jp9kmINNd82@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> flatau@cs.utexas.edu (Arthur Flatau) writes:
>In article <C189J3.DE6@world.std.com> levin@world.std.com (Levin F Magruder) writes:
>>>Older children and adults benefit from a low fat diet, but young children
>>>(under 2) do NOT.
>>
>I am not a nutritionist, just a parent.  Children under 2 at least
>need a signficant amount of fat in the diet.
>
>>"Milk is good food (if you're a calf and want to gain 500 pounds
>>this year)."
>
>Milk is good food, you are just thinking of the wrong species.  The
>best food for children under 6 months is breast milk, and they should
>if possible continue getting breast milk at least until 1 year if not
>beyond.  I am surprised that I have not seen anyone mention this.
>
>Art
>

Last spring I watched a BBC documentary about the link between heart
disease in adult males and breastfeeding of these same males as toddlers.
The researchers found a strong correlation between the onset of a 
particular type of heart disease (I apologise for not being able to
remember which type) the age at which breastfeeding ended. Males who
were breastfed *beyond 1 year of age* were far more likely to suffer
from this type of heart disease than either males who were bottlefed
or males who were breastfed but weaned before 1 year of age. The data
came from the meticulous records kept by district nurses in (I think)
two counties in Britain in the first half of this century.

Again, I must apologise for posting what may sound like alarmist
pseudo-information, but the study was carefully conducted and is fully
documented: I am simply unable to remember the details of which counties
and what years. But if you are considering prolonging breastfeeding of
your own toddler beyond one year, you may want to chase down the details.


Claudia (.sigless)
From: jjohnson@convex.com (Jennifer L. Johnson)
Subject: vitamin E
Originator: jjohnson@muse.convex.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:16:15 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


Is there any danger in taking large doses (1000mg/4*aday) of vitamin E?

Has anyone out there used vitamin E for scar tissue minimization/reduction?
Care to comment on its effectiveness??


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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Calicum: How Much Do We Need?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:12:50 GMT


III.  HOW MUCH CALCIUM DO WE NEED?

The following is from McDougall A CHALLENGING SECOND OPINION,
1985.

       calcium need determined by experiment          15-200mg

        Worldwide calcium intake in most pop.        300-500mg

        WHO (World Health Organization               300-500mg

        American FDA                                 800mg

        proposed increased by NIH (National         1000-1500
          Institute of Health) and one strongly
          supported of course by the National
          Dairy Council

These recommendations are for women.  Personally, I think
the WHO is really the best source for RDA recommendations,
being a respected international body and one not as prone to
being ethnocentric in basing it's conclusion on simply one
population from one country, especially a country whose
average diet is known to be too fatty and rich and one that
is incurring significant health problems..

Indeed, National Research Council itself (which set the RDA
values in the first place), acknowledges that people
have been able to maintain calcium balance on intakes
as little as 200 - 400 gm/day.  They recommended the
800 mg/day because of the excessively HIGH PROTEIN diet
of most Americans (see NRC, RECOMMENDED DIETARY ALLOWANCES,
9TH ed., 1980, p. 120-29)

But the really convincing evidence is the primary fact that
vegetarians simply have a much lower incidence of osteoporosis,
plain and simply (see Ellis et al., "Incidence of Osteoporosis
in Vegetarians and Omnivores"  AMER J CLIN NUTR, 1970, 100:1425)
So, we could talk nutrition theory till we drop from
malnutrition, but however you cut it, vegetarians are still
better off than omnivores.


                                              ted
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: weavej@aix.rpi.edu (Jonathan Mark Weaver)
Subject: Re: Veganism and impotence
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:55:12 GMT



weavej@aix.rpi.edu (Jonathan Mark Weaver) writes:

>I heard that women who become vegan will eventually become impotent.

Oopps! I should know better than to post late at night. I did mean
infertile of course. :^)
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Cold comfort for geese
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:10:09 GMT



I got this from: Michael Traub <traub@btcs.bt.co.uk>



Cold Comfort for Geese
----------------------

Beauty  Without  Cruelty (BWC) charity has launched a campaign to highlight
the  suffering  of  geese  that  are  live-plucked  for duvets and bedding.
Video  footage  of the process of live-plucking at a Hungarian factory farm
shows  the  terrified  birds  being  lifted by their necks, with their legs
tied,  and  then  having all their body feathers ripped out. The struggling
geese  sustain  injuries  and  after  their  ordeal are thrown back to join
their fellow victims until their turn comes round again.

This  torture,  which has been described as "extremely cruel" by veterinary
surgeons  and  even  geese  breeders,  begins when the geese are only eight
weeks  old.  It  is  then repeated at eight week intervals for two or three
more sessions.

The  main  countries  using  this  cruel  process  are  China,  Poland  and
Hungary,  where  some  60  per  cent  of down produced is live-plucked. The
down  market  in  the UK alone is worth around 2.6 million pounds per year.
According  to  the  BWC  campaign,  retailers stocking Hungarian goose down
duvets include John Lewis, Debenhams, Argos and Fenwicks.

[Reproduced from "The Vegetarian" October 1992]
From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:44:48 GMT

In article <1jihnsINNl6j@pandora.sdsu.edu> guest@voyager3.sdsu.edu (Guest User) writes:
>Is beef a 'Manly' diet ? One thing I notice from this newsgroup and my
>personal experience, more women are switching to vegetarian diet than
>men. Is it the conditioning of the western society that it is masculine

Let's just say women are smarter than men. :-)

>to eat meat in general and red meat in particular ? I see that in
>advertisements. Men eat beef and other red meat while women are
>portrayed as eating chicken and salad. I see a strong gender bias
>in this meat eating society. I find men associate beef eating with
>power and strength and hence a macho thing to do. I don;t blame them

Oh yes, no doubt about it!  I am taking a Women's Studies course this
quarter and "gender bias" exists everywhere at every level in this
heterosexists, hegemonic society.  I live with four of my male friends,
and ever since I decided that vegetarianism is the only way I will live
my life, I've had to put up with their remarks, "Hey Jimmy, you'd
better leave, we are cooking dead animal flesh." "What's the matter,
not man enough to eat meat?" You know, pathetic remarks like that.
Sheesh, I should have lived with women when I had the chance.

>from a young age they are exposed to the doctrines of the beef
>board with slogans like 'Beef gives strength' and garbage like that.
>Beliefs handed down for generations are hard to shake off.

Agreed.  My mom still think it's "just a phase" that I will eventually
outgrow :(  When she visits, she still insists on bringing me foods with
meat in them.  I've been pretty firm about refusing beef and pork, but
allowing chicken and fish to slip by.  Don't want to hurt her feelings
too bad, I guess, but now I just DON'T enjoy eating meat anymore; I can
make so many great tasting dishes with vegetables...

>Women on the other hand seems to be on the average, more
>sensible and practical. Many men seems to have been brainwashed

See my first comment ;)

>into associating meat with being macho. Though fortunately, lots
>of men are seeing the light now.
>

Yeah, all is not lost!

>S

Jimmy


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From: wvenable@attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Veganism and impotence
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:03:54
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au
In-reply-to: weavej@aix.rpi.edu's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:29:40 GMT

>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Mark Weaver <weavej@aix.rpi.edu> writes:

Jonathan> I heard that women who become vegan will eventually become
Jonathan> impotent...

When we were kids there was a saying that "if you hold a guinea pig by the
tail, its eyes will fall out".  Guinea pigs don't have tails, of course.

They were having you on, Jonathon.  Males may become impotent but females
can only become infertile.  It's a little too delicate, Jonathon, to
explain the difference here on the net...

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From: jaj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jill A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Tofu
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:52:19 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu

Before I make any other comments,  I'd like to make one about the guy who 
owns three radio stations and all sorts of other things and makes millions 
every year.  I think it was Levin@world.std.com  --- anyhow I was just kind of 
curious, if you have all this money that you claim to, why are your parents 
living in some scummy 2 room apt. and having to dig in trash cans for food? 
I realize that none of my business and I'm not trying to judge you..but I'm 
just really curious about it.  

Second, I went grocery shopping yesterday.  I bought 2 hunks of tofu and
managed to ruin them both.  I attempted to make tacos out of one, they looked
awful and tasted  worse.  The other one, I attempted to make a hot dish out 
of, well that also loooked horrible and tasted even worse than the tacos.  I 
guess I'm just not much of a soybean person.  I'm not sure it was possible for
anything to taste worse than those tacos..but it did.  I guess I'll have to 
try to find some TVP somewhere.  Hopefully that will work out better.

Jill
From: slndw@cc.usu.edu (Mark Taratoot)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Veganism and impotence
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:33:02 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <agj3yr+@rpi.edu>, weavej@aix.rpi.edu (Jonathan Mark Weaver) writes:
> 
> I heard that women who become vegan will eventually become impotent.
> While I believe this to be totally absurd, I don't have the sources to
> back me up on this. Can anyone shine some light on this subject (like
> maybe vegan women with children on the net)?
> 
> Thanx in advance.
> 


Until very recently it was also believed that if women became
educated they would lose fertility.  This has nothing to do with
the fact that people who are more educated tend to have fewer children,
just (soy protien) bologny
> 
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Calcium: Vegan Diets
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:14:40 GMT


V.  CALCIUM AND VEGAN DIETS

Several have recorded calcium intakes among groups of
practicing vegans.  Gill Langley (VEGAN NUTRITION: A SURVEY
OF RESEARCH, 1988) reported that British studies in the
1950's and 1960's "found levels between 500 and 1,000 mg,
and in a 1985 report the mean intake of 10 male and female
vegans was lower than that of matched omnivores, but just met
the British RDA of 500mg".  Other studies found intakes to
lower then matched omnivores but adequate at 554mg and 585mg

Despite these lower intakes of calcium among vegans, the
blood levels of this mineral and levels of osteocalcim (serum
concentrations of osteocalcium relect bone turnover) were the
same, while serum 1,25-dihydroxymitamin D concentrations tend to
be higher in vegetarians (see Specker et al., Obstretrics &
Genecology, 1987, 70(6):870-4).  This indicates that lower
calcuim intakes among vegetarians does not result in Ca migration
from the bones, but the instead may elevate serum 1,25-
dihydroxydihydroxyvitamin D response that in turn increases the
fractional intestine absorption of Ca from the vegetarian diet.
This all goes to confirm that there is an adaptive increased
absorption of calcium among vegans, and we should note that NO
reports of calcium deficiency have been reported in adult vegans.

   Thus, the best evidence to date indicates that vegans, with a
slightly lower protein intake and a meat-free diet, probably have
a lower requirement for dietary calcium and are better able to
absorb dietary calcium and conconserve the existing calcium in
their bodies.


                              ted
From: Greg_Dawson@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Meat replacements
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:58:59 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

In article <19848@mindlink.bc.ca>, Janet Wilson writes:

> Hi, what is the address of that place?
> Canada is not terribly advanced in meat replacement products?


Surely you jest, Janet!! Don't tell me you've never heard of Yves
veggie hot dogs (the *best* according to me and many others!...
and vegan too *and* newly available in fat free version with the
same great taste), made right here in Vancouver, BC! Or Yves Deli
Slices and Burger Burgers? Yves are developing new products too,
and I'm betting they'll be more veggie meat replacements (they
are doing very well with their current products).

Then there's the *fabulous* selection of veggie "meats"
(including vegan ones) from MGM Brands, based out of Scarborough,
Ontario. Their veggie pepperoni (vegan) is wonderful, and there's
a package of vegan salami in my freezer just waiting for me to
try the next time I make pizza.

Or how about the vegan tourtiere (tourtiere is a traditional meat
pie from Quebec, for those who don't know), made with gluten.
That's made by a Canadian company too.

There's also a new vegan hot dog out by a Quebec company, maybe
the same one that makes the tourtiere??

Those are the ones that immediately spring to mind. Anyone know
of any others?


Just for those wanting to know, the addresses for Yves and MGM
are below. (Sorry I don't have the name or address of the company
that makes the tourtiere, but I can find out if anyone wants it.)


Yves Veggie Cuisine
1138 East Georgia St.
Vancouver, BC
V6A 2A8
1-800-667-YVES (in Canada)
(604) 251-1345 (outside Canada)

MGM Brands
59 Howden Rd.
Scarborough, Ontario
M1R 3C7


Happy veggie eating!


Shari Dawson
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Calcium: Importance of Exercise
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:12:21 GMT


II.  EXERCISE: A KEY FACTOR FOR INCREASING ABSORPTION AND BONE
    DENSITY

Regular exercise, esp. jogging or weigh carrying/bearing
exercises, increases absorption (see "calcium retention of
young adult males as affected by level of protein and calcium
intake"  TRANSACTIONS OF THE N.Y. ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, 1974,
36:333-40)

                                    ted
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: poirier@bnr.ca (Daniel Poirier)
Subject: Re: Question about food combining..., and a recipe.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:58:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.215254.24608@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati) writes:
>In article <19800@mindlink.bc.ca>, Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson) writes:
>> Do you mean how to combine foods to get a complete protein? this is the
>> mainstay principle of
>> vegetarianism. Just think of three groups, grains and seeds, legumes (beans),
>> and dairy products. Just use two items out of different groups in each meal!
>> 
>
>I thought the notion of food combining (in the same meal anyway)
>is now thought to be unnecessary.  Isn't this stated in the
>revised addition of "Diet For A Small Planet" ?  I'll have to
>look this up but it seems to me that I read it there.
>
>Michael

No, no, NO! 

I'm the one who posted the original question, and this is the second time I
post a follow-up to my own article. I guess I wasn't clear enough in my question 
(apologies, and all that stuff, english is not my normal everyday language).

THE QUESTION:    food combining principles - what are they (in a nutshell)?

THE EXPLANATION: I don't mean the idiotic myth about getting "pseudo-complete"
                 protein form "pseudo-deficient" vegetable protein sources.
                 What I'm referring to is the alleged principle that some
                 food combinations are _proper_ while others aren't (this same
                 principle is referenced in the Diamond's "Fit For Life" book,
                 but they provide very little information on it). The theory
                 says things like "do not combine high-protein-content food
                 with high-carbohydrate-content food", and "do not combine
                 fruit with anything else", etc... I just want to know more
                 about that; 
  
                 Note: the term _proper_ in the above paragraph is based solely 
                       on the acceptance of the premises brought forward by the
                       theory of food combining. I am NOT debating, or trying
                       to prove that theory to be right or wrong. I just want
                       information about it so that I can make an intelligent
                       decision about my own belief in it.

Now if we can keep it to that, I'd like to hear from you. If you want to add some
comments about the old protein myth, that's old news. I apologize for the confusion
caused by my first article, I should have made it clearer.

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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Hitler Was NOT a Vegetarian:)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:44:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.233650.572@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>Hitler was not a vegetarian.  He merely eschewed beef.  Sausage was one
>of his favorite foods, along with chocalate, and a lot of other crap.
>
>I had a short interest in his life and read several biographys.
>
>So why does everyone claim he was a veg?
>
>Well, you ever meet the people who think fish and poultry are vegtables?
>Ie "Oh Im a veg but I eat fish etc"
>
>Well most of Hitlers earlier biographers were the beef promoting british.
>To most beef was "MEAT" the other "stuff/flesh" wasnt.  Hitler eschewed
>beef ( something to do with the eastern cultism he was into ) so his
>British biogrphers called him a vegetarian and later biographers turning
>to these yutzes works for referrence just carried this mistake over.
>
>Steve R

BTW, yes he did pamper his dogs tremendously.  He wasnt any different then
most of the human race in being able to be kind to animals and shitty
to people.  Sort of like that woman from PETA who shot her ex husband in
an argument.  One trait in a human doesnt imply another.

Steve R

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen)
Subject: Re: pasta makers [and sauce query]
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: NRL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:07:37 GMT

Patrick provides the following recipe and some other delicious-sounding
alternatives (can you tell it's getting towards dinner time?)
> ONE:
> 
> Chop up several cloves of garlic and brown in some olive oil.
> Meanwhile cook your pasta. (I like shells best for this)
> About 5 minutes before the pasta is done throw some
> broccoli in the water with it.
> Meanwhile, before the garlic burns, throw in some chopped red pepper.
> drain the pasta/broccoli and mix in the garlic/oil/pepper.
> Lactos may add parmesan cheese, vegans use whatever substitute
> you prefer (or no)

Just another variation: instead of broccoli, use chopped broccoli rabe
(rapini), or even some kale or other tasty greens. I tend to cook the
broccoli rabe, etc.
with the garlic, adding some water or broth to braise rather than fry the
stuff, and add hot pepper flakes & herbs. Then the pasta and veggies can be
mixed to one's preferred proportions when both are finished. But it's the
same general idea! A bit of wine or sherry, or even balsamic vinegar, added
towards the end of the veg. cooking period also lends a nice flavor. Also
soy sauce... 

Judy Karpen                "pushing back the frontiers of science"
karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil  Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC USA