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From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: Re: comments on USA showing in Polo
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:38:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.183620.26766@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.TLC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>There are a few water polo experts on the net, which don't include
>me.  What is your critique of the US team's showing in Barcelona?
>
>Have the rules changed in some way in the last couple years again
>that make it disadvantageous offensively to drive?

No, actually, it's the opposite. Deadtime offensive fouls are no longer
considered major fouls, and so don't add up to the total 3 major fouls
which contribute to a player being ejected from the game. So, actually,
it's less dangerous these days to drive, and risk committing an offensive.

> It seemed like
>all offenses I saw used almost a man-up type offense- swing the ball
>to the wings to move the goalie and take advantage of a sag.

International men's waterpolo is hardly ever a driving game. Most of the
European teams have great shooters and hole sets. 
Allowing the ball to be passed freely to a hole set 
(without a drop), is pretty dangerous. You risk a close range shot or a
kickout. Also, you probably watched mostly USA games. The US team is very
confident of their goalie, and would rather force an outside shot by dropping
back.  You'll see alot more driving in NCAA polo, women's
collegiate and international.

>Schroeder did not look effective.  Barnett play him too much in the
>hole?  2 or 3 times in Spain game, Schroeder turned his man, and
>could not turn it into a goal or an assist.  (I am decidedly NOT
>saying I could do better!).  A little more spelling from Campbell
>and the guy from Stanford?(not Fischer).  I always thought Evans was
>a good hole man, but I only saw him go in at the double post.

Evans couldn't have lasted playing hole man very much. Shroeder is in
much better shape and look how tired he looked in there. It's an 
extremely demanding position.  I agree that there should have been
some switching around at hole set, Chris Hubbert did a great job at
the World Championships in '91 setting hole.  The guy from Stanford
you spoke of, Craig Klass, is also a decent hole set.

>I expected to see more drives from US, but I guess you have to get
>foul calls in the hole.  Fisher is a great driver as is Vargas, I
>would think US could have created more kickouts.

Fisher, Vargas, and Everist are all quick and good drivers. But they are
also smart defensive players, and when your hole sets are getting
the ball stolen, you think twice about risking a drive, and getting
burned on the counter-attack.

>How is Barnett as a coach?  
Lousy, Crude, and Rude. His intimidating manner may work with his high
school kids, but that's it. Craig Wilson (goalie) probably did more
real coaching on that team than Barnett did. The guys on the team had
to deal with a lot of crap from the coaching staff because of Barnett.
Their were alot of good athletes on that team and some good ones were
cut, questionably. A great coach could have taken that team to the medal
round with no problem. 



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From: billb@owlnet.rice.edu (William Stenson Blackwell)
Subject: Re: Hand Paddles (was Re: Fins... (was Re: Shoulder Problems))
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:38:42 GMT

In article <170f4sINN648@agate.berkeley.edu>, sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
|> 
|> The main purpose of using hand paddles is supposed to be
|> stroke correction; they are supposed to make it more
|> difficult to maintain an inefficient hand/arm position.
|> However, they can also put a great strain on the elbow
|> and have been known to cause injuries. Personally, I
|> don't use them since I'm comfortable with my stroke
|> efficiency and don't want to risk injury.

Not wanting to beat a dead horse, or re-tie two threads, I beg to differ.
In my experience, Hand Paddles main purpose is not to improve technique,
it is to increase stroke power.  (yes, runaway now, that dreaded term cropped
up twice.)  The net effect of a hand paddle is to increase the resistance
felt by your stroke, thus making you work harder and improve your conditioning
as well as being able to hold a given exertion (race pace) over a longer period
of time.  Sprinters and middle distance freestylers love this as it generally
gives them the most benefit.  The only problems that you should have with them
would be in your shoulder area (if you had a poor stroke -- this is where the
correction comes in) along the origin of the posterior head of the deltoid and
the lat.  

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From: robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin)
Subject: Size of Olympic swimmers
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17:58:35 GMT


Hi, 

I would like to know:

1/ The weight and height of the following Olympic swimmers:
- Alexandr Popov
- Matt Biondi
- Nelson Diebel
- Norbert Rosza
- Mike Barrowman
- Melvin Stewart

2/ What's the current world record (if any) for underwater swimming
distance (i.e. in a swimming pool and without any equipment). Believe it or 
not it used to be an Olympic event (too bad it was dropped!).

Thanks for any answer, cheers,


Jacques.
From: bryan@seidel.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Books on swimming
Summary: What are some good books on swimming?
Keywords: swimming, books
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:54:53 GMT

What are some good books on competitive swimming?
I read James Counsilman's "The science of swimming" 
(Prentice-Hall, 1968) about 20 years ago when I was
on a high-school team, and now that my son is 
starting to swim on a team, I was wondering what a
good current book is.  Is Counsilman's book considered
dated now, or is it still the swimmer's bible?

Tom Bryan
University of California
Santa Barbara
bryan@gauss.ece.ucsb.edu
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From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: NBC Choked *NOT* USS
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:00:55 GMT
Organization:  Something close to nothing, but different than the day before

In article <l8339mINNni6@male.EBay.Sun.COM> timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>In article l830apINNolr@pollux.usc.edu, bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur) writes:
>
>> <...stuff deleted>  The media just kills
>>it. They have no appreciation for one's effort.  After Jenny Thompson won gold
>>in the relays, the broadcaster asked her about the race she lost the day 
>>before rather than the one just won.  Like she needed to be reminded how she 
>>did.
>
>How about the idiotic question asked of Anita Nall?  After she took a silver
>and set a new US record the pool side reporter asked her, "Were you 
>disappointed with your swim?"
>
>It was the NBC crew that choked on this one.  I expected much better coverage. 
>At least more positive comments and questions.  But I guess that's what I get 
>for not coughing up the $125 for the Dribblecast.
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Heynowwaitaminit! I thought the triplecast was pretty good right up until the
last day. Contrary to their promise of all the action, they dropped the ball
on my fave event, Rythmic Gymnastics. I missed over an hour so they could cut
away to the Gold Medal soccer game. Phooey. All the same though, if NBC or
whoever gets the gumption to do the same for Lillehammer and Atlanta, I'll
be one of the first in line... I *loved* it save for that one booboo.

    Tyger
>
>
>Tim


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From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Re: Info on swimmers
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:50:08 GMT

In <1992Aug18.004206.8221@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jtsai@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jane Tsai) writes:

>Is there anyone out there who knows how to get in contact with the 
>olympic swimmers (like a c/o address).

'Fraid I don't.

>Plus I read that Summer Sanders uses e-mail. Was that only in Barcelona
>or was that in the States? 

I think that was only in Barcelona. All athletes had access to email over
there. It was a closed system so they couldn't get hassled by the rest of
the world. I haven't heard of any of them using email outside Barcelona.

Judge Raz

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From: jason@research.canon.oz.au (Jason Stummer)
Subject: Re: headaches during LSD on cool days -- But only when I swim
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:12:46 GMT

pychen@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Y. Chen) writes:

>In article <BsvJ32.LG9@newcastle.ac.uk> I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (Ian Alexander Inman) writes:
>>
>>Seriously though, I think insufficient food intake may be the problem.
>>
>>When you exercise, the body sugars are used up even quicker, thus the
>>headaches.   Eating, preferably carbohydrates (and not doing LSD :-) )
>>a couple of hours before hand will help.
>>

>I get headaches, too, especially when I swim for a long stretch of distance
>without taking a break (ie, 500+).
>What I was wondering is that, if it is simply exercising that gives you
>the headaches, how come I don't get the same headaches when I swim 100's,
>or jog or play tennis?  Does my body do different things when I swim longer
>distances?

I don't know if this has yet been mentioned on this thread, but I really
do feel that the problem is with heat loss through your heads. Sticking your 
head in the water for longer periods will of course eccentuate the problem.
Try a swimming cap or if you already do, or the water temperature is low,
try wearing 2 or 3 of them.

Good luck.
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From: m_bell@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Bell)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:45:48 GMT
Subject: Contacts?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

Do any of you wear contact lenses while you swim?  If so, what type of goggles
do you use?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: ahkkim@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Alexander Kim)
Subject: Re: Contacts?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:13:58 GMT

(Mark sez)
>Do any of you wear contact lenses while you swim?  If so, what type of goggles
>do you use?

I wear contact lenses when I swim .  Not so much to see but because I can't
be bothered.  I've gone through several goggles but I find that the best are
the Itech 'swedish' goggles.  These provide the best seal and there is no
foam or rubber to get destroyed.  One word of caution though is stay away from
other swimmers.  If you get an arm in the face it could really hurt.
>
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: headaches during LSD on cool days -- But only when I swim
Date: 17 Aug 1992 06:58:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug14.202617.8812@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> pychen@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Y. Chen) writes:
>
>I get headaches, too, especially when I swim for a long stretch of distance
>without taking a break (ie, 500+).

Peter, I believe that the headaches after 500+ without breathing is a result
of lack of oxygen.  Try to jog without breathing and you'll obtain a similar
result.  However, if the water is cold, the exchange of heat between the body
and the water is higher than between skin and air (i.e., jogging).  This why
some people get headaches since their energy is quicker used and the muscle do
not receive enough blood since the body is slowing down the circulation to the
extremities.

Sasha Bucur
From: gmoenne@lascar.cl (Gerardo Moenne)
Subject: Looking for Olympics results
Organization: U. Catolica
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:52:27 GMT

I am looking for Swimming Olympics results (Like those ones in 
rec.sport.Olympics for Athetics).

I know this must be posted on this list some days ago, but I only
get access to NEWS recently. I will appreciate if some one can
send me this information or tell me a way to get it.

Thanks

         Gerardo
From: lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:28:09 GMT
Subject: Re: freestyle breathing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

> Ignore what this "Lee" character has to say ... :-)

Sound advice.  We'll (you'll) be doing a bunch of 200 flys at the next
workout, sucker!

> 
> Try various methods and do what you feel comfortable with and give you
> the best times; use what works for you!
> 

I hate to agree with Joe, but he's right.

l\
> Joe Kittel
> HP - Fort Collins, CO
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL Drug Suspensions (WAS: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article))
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:59:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


>>>Has the NHL ever suspended a player for drug abuse?  I'm talking any kind
>>>of suspension, not just a few week suspension.


   Grant Fuhr, whose one-year suspension ended up being a couple of months
   (sigh...and the NHL says it has an image problem)
   Ric Nattress (I think) was suspended around 1980 for Marijuana abuse-I don't
   know the particulars.

********************************************************************************
Patrick Emond
Concordia U.
Montreal,Can.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Bowman (again)
From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian)
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:56:02 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Have any Pen players stepped forwarded and said whether they would
want Bowman to coach next year or not?  I haven't heard of anyone
saying they're for or against him.  I would think that Mario
would have an opinion (being the franchise) but he might not want
to start anything while the Pens management negiotate to make him
a "lifetime Pen".  What about Stevens ?  I'm sure he has something to
say.


Eric "The New Logo Sucks" Sebastian


Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:51:28 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Barrasso negotiations


I just had an alarming thought.  If Craig Patrick doesn't make a deal
with Tom Barrasso by the season start, and Barrasso refuses to play,
the Pens essentially have shit for goaltending.  And if it takes Patrick
until November or so to get Barrasso in goal (and Tommy historically
has needed a lot of playing time to get to a decent performance level --
he admits this himself), this could make or break the Pens' season.

I think I've just become a Barrasso fan...

Mom.
From: db74+@andrew.cmu.edu (Derrick J. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: OH Anna.....
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:28:23 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 12-Aug-92 OH Anna..... Gary L.
Newell@cs.arizon (323)

>  So what do you say Anna? How about a date? Perhaps a quiet night
> watching the smoke-stacks in ol Pittsburgh burn down on some crisp
> fall night? Maybe a trip to your favorite frozen yogourt stand
> and a stop over at Lori's place? Two out of three falls and the winner
> gets me for the night - how's that sound???


> 				gln


Um...
I thought this was rec.sport.HOCKEY. Did I miss something?

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From: mfc@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Mark Castagna)
Subject: NHL 24 games non-NHL cities
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:39:37 GMT
Keywords: Exhibition/Regular season ??

I was reading a small article in one of the (only) English newspapers
in Mexico. I stated that the NHL will play 24 games in 15 non-NHL
cities. My question is... Will the games be exhibition or regular 
season? 
According to the article each NHL team will play two games in the
non-NHL cities.
Another question...What cities have been slated for inclusion?


						Mark Castagna
						hrmso!mfc
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:23:40 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Joey Mullen news?


I may have missed a posting on this, or perhaps there wasn't one, but
someone told me that Toronto has made Joey Mullen a very good offer.

Also, I heard a rumor that the San Jose Sharks are courting Phil Bourque.

Any word on this?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS)
Subject: Trade
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:24:11 GMT


Just heard today, that Montreal has traded Mike McPhee to Minnesota
for a 5th round draft pick in 93.



JiM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:00:16 GMT

In article <4eXFrU_00WBKE1PHJD@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Everything the Penguins do seems to be screwed up from a PR standpoint.
>I think this is another area in which they need serious improvement.
>Of course, when rumors abound it is sometimes difficult to separate
>fact from fiction; nevertheless, I think the organization should take
>a look at how it handles all of its public information activities.
>Craig Patrick is looking more and more like the bad guy; not only from
>my personal perspective but from that of other people I've talked to.
>I guess that goes with the territory but I can't decide if I'm being
>fair to him in my new assessment that he's not doing a spectacular job.
>

Point the finger where the blame is due...and that is Howard Baldwin...

Gerald
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:28:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.061732.16456@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>I admitted, or can't you read, that I wasn't certain of 
>FIFA's initials...thanks for correcting me...FIFA has an age limit
>for the Olympics, doesn't it...isn't it 23 years of age plus or minus
>a couple of years...and don't they do this not to undermine the
>prestige of the World Cup...

Exactly my point. And since there is no World Cup in hockey, there is
nothing to undermine. So, the NHL inthe Olympics sounds like the only way
we could have a fair international competition.

Vlad

Employer disagrees



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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Long Road Trips
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:17:32 GMT

>All this stuff about the Houston Astros baseball team being on their
>current month-long road trip, and that fact that they're stopping by
>Wrigly Field this weekend, made me think about something similar
>in hockey.

>Twice a year the Blackhawks go on an extended road swing because
>Bill Wirtz figures it's good to let the Ice Capades and Ringling
>Bros. play around in his arena to line his coffers. And this is a
>yearly ritual, not only for the Hawks, but for the Bulls as well.

There once was a team in the CHL (The Tucson Oilers? I'm not sure
of the name right now) who had to play most of their season on the
road, after the owners pulled the plug on the team part way through
the year. (The league allowed them to finish the year, but only
if they played all their remaining games on the road.

I guess suffering builds character, because the team eventually
became league champions.
From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bill Torrey??
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:54:21 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:

>Turgeon failed to live up
>to his first round, first pick status.  He never did replace Gilbert
>Perreault as a leader or a scorer.  He was very quiet, never a
>motivator.

Valerie....did the Buffalo media imply that Turgeon would be
a replacement for Perrault?? Nothing like heaping a little 
pressure on the guy.

I think Pat Lafontaine is a great hockey player.....but he isn't
going to replace Perrault either. Perrault has got to have been
one of the most underrated players the game has seen. 

He had tremendous talent. Leadership?? If you couldn't
get excited about watching him weave his way up the ice
at full speed, then you should go see a doctor.

I've always thought of him as being one of the most exciting 
players to have played the game....

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stanley Cup not engraved for 91-92 yet
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:34:57 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski) writes:

> Just got back from seeing the Stanley Cup.  The keepers of the Cup must
> not have yet decided what to do regarding adding new names to the Cup.

I think they're still agonizing over whether or not they'll actually put Ken
Wregget's name on the damn thing.  Nobody wants to take the blame for it.

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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: JETS home schedule
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:56:00 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada



Well, it took me long enough, but here's what I have been able to get
so far in the way of a Jets schedule...home games only, but I hope it
helps Valerie with her program.

October
-------
 
 6 Detroit
14 Edmonton
16 Vancouver
23 Los Angeles
26 Washington
28 Calgary
 
November
--------
 
 6 Edmonton
10 Los Angeles
21 NY Rangers
24 NY Islanders
27 San Jose
 
December
--------
 
 5 Montreal
15 New Jersey
21 San Jose
23 Calgary
27 Minnesota
29 Boston
31 Edmonton
 
January
-------
 
 8 Los Angeles
10 Pittsburgh
12 San Jose
19 Chicago
23 Edmonton
 
February
--------
 
 3 St. Louis
10 Buffalo
12 Hartford
14 San Jose
22 Ottawa
26 Vancouver
28 Minnesota
 
March
-----
 
 2 Quebec
12 Vancouver
14 Tampa Bay
21 Calgary
23 Toronto
26 St. Louis
28 Los Angeles
 
April
-----
 
 6 Philadelphia
 8 Toronto
13 Tampa Bay
15 Edmonton
 

 Daryl <r.s.h contact for the Jets>
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