HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: re:  "insultas" gastig-landon
Date: 8 Nov 1992 22:58:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

ZHONG Qi Iao, mia Stanforda najbaro (la Berkeleya 
frenezulejo estas apude 8-), plendas, ke iu plendas al li, 
ke Qi Iao << "insultas" [sian] gastig-landon Usono >>, 
evidente c^ar Qi Iao neklarigeble kritikas _nin_.  Ho, estas 
milda plendo, amiko; la klasika ekdiro estas << if you don't 
like it here, why don't you go back were you came from [se 
vi ne estas felic^a c^i-loke, kial do vi ne reiras al via 
naskloko] ? >>  Tian riproc^on ricevis kaj mia sud-amerika 
edzino kaj _ofte_ hungara amiko.

La amiko c^iam ripostas indigne, ke _li_ log^is en Usono dum 
multe pli da jaroj ol sia kritiko log^is en la mondo.  Kaj 
estas c^iam vere, c^ar mia amiko estas okdekjarulo !

Estas eble, ke Qi Iao konas mian amikon, c^ar Zoltan Gerald 
Bondy III, senag^a romantikulo el Budapes^to, ankorau` 
amuzas la junajn kolegianinojn je la Stanford-universitata 
kafejo.

Gene LEDBETTER
From: cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: More on Esperanto pronunciation
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:08:53 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <Qf0fPvu00VQEACFvAb@andrew.cmu.edu> Bruce Sherwood <bas+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I've always taught American students to pronounce tuj, tiuj, tiujn as
>though they were spelled tu'i, ti'ui, ti'uin.  That is, consider the j
>as identical to i in pronunciation.  Then j is simply an orthographic
>convention for indicating where the stress lies in the word.  With this
>understanding, these words are not problematic at all.

	Thus "kiuj" becomes a three-sylable word.  This is ugly, but not 
	incomprehensable.  Often, the final j is pronounced like the "i" 
	in pit--uglier still.  

	However, the sound of "uj" does exist in speech of children 
	(in New England, at least).

	In Boston, a child uses the word "doofus" to refer to a stupid 
	or socially inept person.  The sound a doofus made before it 
	said anything was "uh duj" (pronounce the "uh" as a schwa).  
	Children would also say this sound to whomever they felt said
	or did something stupid.  For eaxample:

	Tom: Let's blow up the Seabrook Nuclear power plant.
	Tim: But we could get in trouble.
	Tom: uh-duj, Tim, I was only jokin'.

	Fetal alcohol syndrone is a problem in some New England towns.

	
  

	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: byrial@daimi.aau.dk (Byrial Jensen)
Subject: Re: The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:03:51 GMT

Bona, rekomendinda libro. Gxi ne nur rakontas pri fora mondo,
sed ankau' nerekte pri nia mondo!
   Mi plurfoje legis la danan tradukon ("De udstoedte"), sed
nemiam pensis pri analogecoj inter Pravic kaj Esp. Venontfoje
mi legos gxin, mi atentos pri tio.

Byrial JENSEN
From: MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (Martin Haase)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: re: Mail->Group stopped
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:07:11 GMT
Organization: University of Osnabrueck, FRG

English translation follows below
 
In article <9211040530.AA14915@physics.Berkeley.EDU>
wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter) writes:
 
>Ho, modesta uzanto ! Mi sendos c^i tiun komunikaj^on
>e-pos^te al :
>
>     soc-culture-esperanto@cs.utexas.edu
>
>(Alia ebleco estas :
>
>     soc-culture-esperanto@ucbvax.berkeley.edu)
>
>La komputilo je cs.utexas.edu (au` je ucbvax.berkeley.edu)
>repos^tos la komunikaj^on je s.c.e.  Poste g^i ankau` aperos
>je esperanto@rand.org kaj esper-l.
>
>Do mi kredas, ke la plej bona solvo estas sendi c^iujn
>komunikaj^ojn al s.c.e.
 
Sed la resendoadreso de esper-l estas (lawx mia scio)
esperanto@rand.org. Do, mi antawxvidas du aliajn solveblecojn:
a) unu el la adresoj donitaj de Gene estu resendadreso ankawx por
esper-l, kaj nenio plu sendigxu al esperanto@rand.org,
b) esperanto@rand.org estu la gxenerala (re)sendoadreso kaj
gxi enhavu unu el la adresoj donitaj de Gene en sia distribu-
listo, tiel ke cxio aperu ankawx en s.c.e.
Cxu mi pravas? Kion fari?
Martin
 
awkward translation
>Dear modest user! I am sending this message by e-mail to:
>
>     soc-culture-esperanto@cs.utexas.edu
>
>(Another possibility is:
>
>     soc-culture-esperanto@ucbvax.berkeley.edu)
>
>The computer at cs.utexas.edu (or at ucbvax.berkeley.edu)
>will repost the message on s.c.e.  Later it will also appear
>on esperanto@rand.org and esper-l.
>
>Thus I think the best solution is to send all messages to
>s.c.e.
 
But the reply-address of esper-l is esperanto@rand.org (as far
as I know), so there are two other solutions to take into account:
a) one of the addresses given by Gene will be the general reply
address, and nothing will be sent to esperanto@rand.org anymore,
b) esperanto@rand.org will be the general (reply) address, and
will have one of Gene's addresses in its distribution list.
Am I right? What shall we do?
Martin (please excuse my awkward translation)
From: amichail@r-node.gts.org (Ashraf Michail)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: The Future Of Esperanto
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:48:53 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)

Hi,
I'm looking for information about 'artificial languages' (like
Esperanto).  I'm conducting a study on the future of these
types of languages.  I would appreciate any statistics, articles,
references, or comments on the issue.
 
   If you are sending me something, PLEASE SEND IT TO:
 
                   amichail@bcr2.uwaterloo.ca
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington)
Subject: Re: Mail->Group stopped
Organization: Coventry University
Distribution: inet
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:26:20 GMT

In article <9211050557.AA27869@physics.Berkeley.EDU> wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter) writes:
>I must say that our man in Coventry, Will Overington, simply 
>refuses to listen to sweet reason:
>

Maybe, but I don't get Subject: 's muddled!

This was from VORTO: not Mailing list stopped!  :-)
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: More on Esperanto pronunciation
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:58:44 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

What do the "official" grammars, etc. say about the pronunciation of
words like _tuj_, _tiuj_, _tiujn_ -- these are a real problem for a
lot of people.  Also I wonder if there is still a tendency, as there
once was, I believe, to pronounce written <sc> as /s/ in words like
_scii_ and _scienco_.  
-- 
-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
 OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor
From: marc r stephens@um.cc.umich.edu (Marc Stephens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Esperanto Dictionary (best one?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:56:44 GMT
Organization: University Of Michigan Medical School
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71EF5866A012477@no-name-medlib.med.umich.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:00:06 GMT

In article <3x!qw7#@lynx.unm.edu> Derek Stearns Roff, derek@vesta.unm.edu
writes:
>I have ELNA listed at PO Box 1129, El Cerrito, CA 94530,
>rather than box 1149 as Kieth posted.  For an imformation packet,
>call 1-800-828-5944 and leave your name and address on the 
>machine (don't use this number for other things- the regular
>number is 510-653-0998.)
>
Thanks, everyone, for all the help! I have called ELNA and have FTPed
some very useful stuff from rand.org. I greatly appreciate all the help
you have all given me.

Gis!
Marc
marc.r.stephens@um.cc.umich.edu
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: Re: Mail->Group stopped
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:14:25 GMT

In article <16896AA77.MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (Martin Haase) writes:

> 
>Sed la resendoadreso de esper-l estas (lawx mia scio)
>esperanto@rand.org. Do, mi antawxvidas du aliajn solveblecojn:
>a) unu el la adresoj donitaj de Gene estu resendadreso ankawx por
>esper-l, kaj nenio plu sendigxu al esperanto@rand.org,
>b) esperanto@rand.org estu la gxenerala (re)sendoadreso kaj
>gxi enhavu unu el la adresoj donitaj de Gene en sia distribu-
>listo, tiel ke cxio aperu ankawx en s.c.e.
>Cxu mi pravas? Kion fari?
>Martin
> 
Mi ne komprenas kiel la afero funkcias, sed esperanto@rand.org s^ajnas
ne funkcii. Hierau^ mi provis sendi mesag^on, sed g^i revenis post
unu horo. C^u iu vere scias kion iras kien, kaj bonvolu fari simplan
desegnaj^on?

Pierre


Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
From: higa@sun.lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: [veturilo] au'tobomilaj fabrikejestoj / vendada impos^to
Keywords: traffic, mass transit, gas taxes
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:56:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov5.175618.24339
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Nov4.013721.17678@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>
>     Iu plendis al mi, ke mi "insultas" mian gastig-landon Usono.
>Ne, sed ja ekzistas multo da puktoj tiuj, kiujn mi ne s^atas.  Jen
>mi ne s^atas iujn au'tomobilajn fabrikejestrojn (ne Usonon). 

	Al la plendinto, kia hipokritulo li aux sxi estas!  Sxi/li povas
esprimi sian opinion pri ion ajn en cxi tiu lando, sed sxi/li elektas
plendi al vi ke, cxar vi versxajne ne estas usona sxtatano kaj parolas pri
problemoj en Usono, vi insultas Usonon.  Fi al li! (aux sxi)

>     En la Golfa Regiono de San-Francisko estas homamasa veturilo
>nomita "Rapida Veturilo por la Golfa Regiono".  C^i tiu estas malpeza
>trajno.  La ironio estas, ke anstatau' esti por la tuta golfa
>regiono, g^i estas nur por la norda parto.  Mi au'dis, ke antau'
>dudek jaroj, kiam oni konstruis la veturilo, tiam au'tomobilaj
>fabrikejestroj opiniis ("lobi-is") al la provinca registaro, ke ni ne havig^u
>veturilon por la tuta golfa regiono.  La malantau'a kialo estas,
>ke tion fari, homoj devos ac^eti au'tomobilojn el ili.  Fi al ili!  Nun
>ni havas malkonvenan homamasan veturil-sistemon.  La nuna trajno
>(Kalifornia Trajno) kaj au'tobusaj linioj ne sufic^as.

	Grava afero pri rapid-veturila-sistemoj estas la elspezo, laux mi.
En Honolulu, kie trafiko estas terura, estis plano por rapid-veturil-sistemo
por la insulo Oahu, proponita de la urbestro.  Sed li ankaux proponis ke la
urbo pliigu la vendimposton po 1/2%.  La Urbestraro nuligis la proponon.
Nun Honolulu devas vivi kun trafiko por multaj jaroj...


>     [This is about the unfairness in San Jose, California, U.S.A.:
>They use *general* sales tax to fund highways, instead of gasoline tax.]
>     Mi au'dis alian eron tian, kiun mi ne s^atas.  G^uste en la
>suda parto de la Golfa Regiono de San-Francisko, la urba registaro
>uzas monon de *c^iuj* por konstrui s^oseojn.  La vendada impos^to (?)
>estas ok kaj duono centonoj (pocentoj), el kiu duono centon-punktoj
>estas por konstrui s^oseojn (stratojn?).  C^i tio signifas, des pli oni
>ac^etas, ju pli oni pagas por s^oseojn -- tute ne egalisma.  Devig^as,
>ke des pli oni pelas (?) au'tomobilon, ju pli oni pagas por
>s^oseojn -- do redirate el petrola impos^to.  Tio, oni s^paros 
>au'tomobilojn kaj petroloj, kaj investos (?) al homamasaj veturiloj.

Nur du vortoj...kia stultajxo!
-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
From: amichail@r-node.gts.org (Ashraf Michail)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Future of Esperanto
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:52:11 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)

Hi,
I'm looking for information about 'artificial languages' (like
Esperanto).  I'm conducting a study on the future of these
types of languages.  I would appreciate any statistics, articles,
references, or comments on the issue.
 
   If you are sending me something, PLEASE SEND IT TO:
 
                   amichail@bcr2.uwaterloo.ca
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no (Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen)
Subject: Kiel scio eblas?
Keywords: amo?
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
Distribution: soc.culture.esperanto
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:50:56 GMT


   KIEL SCIO EBLAS?

Se blindas mi,
kaj scias ke la mont'
cheestas, char ghi min igis blinda;
staras che ghi,
kaj volas ke la lag'
ekzistu, situu sub la pinto:
   kiel scio eblas,
   rakontu en la tag',
   kiel scio eblas,
   chu ekzistas au ne ekzistas lag';
   jes, kiel scio eblas,
   se blindas mi?

Se blindas mi,
kaj iras sur altajh',
sciante ke estas tiu monto;
iras lau pad',
la lagon serchas mi,
sed trovas nur kampon che padfonto:
   kiel scio eblas,
   rakontu en la tag',
   kiel scio eblas,
   chu ne tamen ekzistas tie lag';
   jes, kiel scio eblas,
   se blindas mi?

Se blindas mi,
deziras ke sur mont'
ekzistas la lag', ke ghi realas,
pashas je mis'
che rando de krutajh,
abismo min kaptas, kaj mi falas:
   kiel scio eblas,
   rakontu en la tag',
   kiel scio eblas,
   ke ne tamen ekzistis tie lag';
   jes, kiel scio eblas,
   se falis mi?

-- 
Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen            "Ili rigardis min kiel sian
jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no                moralan chefon."
                                                       (L.L. Zamenhof)
From: icterrel@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Irvin Charles Terrell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: How to get started...
Date: 8 Nov 1992 14:00:17 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway


If you need books, tapes, etc. to help you learn Esperanto, I suggest
that you write to the Esperanto League for North America for a catalog.
Be sure to send two dollars to cover the cost of the catalog.  They
might send a coupon for two dollars off your first purchase.  (Do they
still do that?  I know they did a couple of years ago.)
 
The USnail address is:
 
     ELNA
     P.O. Box 1129
     El Cerrito, CA  94530
 
-Charlie
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Ideoj/Ideas
Date: 13 Nov 1992 11:48:45 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> Perhaps those on the net who are fluent in Esperanto can post
> short articles in Esperanto about stories in the newspaper, etc.

> Ted Schuerzinger

Nu Ted, c^u vi legas la pensojn de aliaj ? C^i-matene dum mi kaj
Contessa (hunda amikino) piedpromenis mi ekpensis simile.  Bonega
ideo.

Well Ted, do you read other people's thoughts?  This morning
while I and Contessa (a canine lady friend) were out for a stroll
I had a similar thought.  Super idea.

Gene LEDBETTER/wombat@physics.berkeley.edu
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Kiu konas Joel Silverman?
Date: 7 Nov 92 07:26:44 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Cxu hazarde iu E-retulo scias la nuntempan kieon de malnova tre lerta
Esperantisto, Joel Silverman?  Li logxis en Nov-Jorko en la 60-aj
jaroj, tre aktivadis tiutempe en la movado kaj en la kulturo.  Bv.
sciigi e-posxte.

By any chance does any of you know the present whereabouts of an old
and very good Esperantist, Joel Silverman?  He lived in NYC in the
Sixties and was very active in the movement & culture.  Please advise
by email.
-- 
-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
 OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor          



Organization: Educational Tech, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto,alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:02:03 -0500 
From: Bruce Sherwood <bas+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: More on Esperanto pronounciation

To reinforce Mike Urban's points:

Whether unvoiced stop consonants (p, t, k) are aspirated or not doesn't
matter very much for comprehension, because there are no Esperanto words
whose meaning changes depending on such aspiration (unlike Korean, for
example).  However, as Mike says, an American listener used to
aspiration as a clue to voicing might conceivably misinterpret "meti" as
"medi" when spoken by a European, since most European languages don't
aspirate "t".  I recall a case of an American secretary taking the name
of a Quebec caller as Bierre instead of Pierre, because she didn't hear
the expected aspiration of a "P".

But reducing a pure full-valued Esperanto vowel to schwa not only sounds
really AWFUL but threatens communication as Mike says, since unstressed
vowels, particularly at the ends of words, are highly significant in
Esperanto.

Diphthongization of vowels by Americans sounds twangy and should be
avoided as much as possible but usually doesn't affect comprehension too
much, because there are no Esperanto words with "uu", no Esperanto words
with "ij", very few Esperanto words containing "ou" (pouxpo -- poop of a
ship), and few words where there is a contrast between "ej" and "e"
(vejno -- vein; veno -- coming).  The latter contrast can be preserved
relatively easily by American speakers by always thinking of Esperanto
"e" as American "eh" (as in set, which is not diphthongized by
Americans), never as American "ei" (as in vein).

Bruce Sherwood
From: etg10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Edmund Grimley-Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Mail->Group stopped
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:02:59 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

|> 2. funkcio nuntempa:
|> s.c.e. -> rand.org -> esper-l
|> resendoadreso por esper-l = rand.org (do nevidebla cxe s.c.e.)

Iu ^san^gu tiun resendoadreson!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: jasong@nick.csh.rit.edu (Jason Gibson)
Subject: How to get started....
Keywords: I want to learn esperanto....
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:49:33 GMT

	I would like to know of any good books or other material, prefrably audio
cassets, that I could use to start learning esperanto.  I have been reading the
posts to this newsgroup for a while and am able to get the jist of what the language is like but I need to hear it in order to get the pronounciation(sp?) down.

thanks,
jasong@nick.csh.rit.edu
      or
Jeg7324@ritvax.rit.edu




Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: Re: More on Esperanto pronunciation
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.185844.44643@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>What do the "official" grammars, etc. say about the pronunciation of
>words like _tuj_, _tiuj_, _tiujn_ -- these are a real problem for a
>lot of people.  Also I wonder if there is still a tendency, as there
>once was, I believe, to pronounce written <sc> as /s/ in words like
>_scii_ and _scienco_.  

  TUJ as in French TOUILLE
  TIUJ in two syllables TI-uj
  TIUJN in two syllables TI-ujn

  There is no tendency to "drop the c" among fluent speakers. For some it
  may be a bit difficult to learn, but no more than for a Spanish speaker
  to learn to say "sp" at the begining of a word.


Pierre




Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: How to get started....
Keywords: I want to learn esperanto....
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:04:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov8.190412.15996
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Nov8.024933.17853@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jasong@nick.csh.rit.edu (Jason Gibson) writes:
>	I would like to know of any good books or other material, prefrably audio
>cassets, that I could use to start learning esperanto.  I have been reading the
>posts to this newsgroup for a while and am able to get the jist of what the language is like but I need to hear it in order to get the pronounciation(sp?) down.

There is a combination text/cassette called "Jen Nia Mondo" ("This is Our
World").  It has two levels.
The quality of the recording is quite good, as far as accent is
concerned, so the sound of the recording is worth emulating.

Try your local library in the foreign language section.
For more information, write to:  ELNA, P.O. Box 1129, El Cerrito CA  94530.

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [semajno] kiam komencas semajno
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 01:34:00 GMT



     Mi afis^is, kaj demandis kiam semajno komencas.  C^u tio atingis
la diskut-grupo?

					*Zhong* Qi-Iao (sinjoric^o)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: how to start esperanto
From: <VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 3 Nov 1992 16:38:05 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center



I would like to begin to study Esperanto. Tell me what have I do first?






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From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re:  VORTO: mang^i  to eat
Date: 6 Nov 1992 21:46:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Responde al Byrial Jensen, dana amiko en Aarhus :

Jo, Byrial, jeg _ved_ at Will virkelig oensker at laere 
esperanto -- hvis vi skriver paa dansk og ikke paa engelsk!  
Esperanto er meget let sammenlignet med dansk.  Jeg ogsaa 
ved at det er svaert at laere dansk hvis vi har ikke dansk 
som modersmaal.  (Fordi jeg kan ikke dansk. 8-)

Jes, Byrial, mi _scias_, ke Will vere deziras lerni 
Esperanton -- se ni skribas dane kaj ne angle !  Esperanto 
estas facilega kompare kun la dana.  Mi ankau` scias, ke 
estas malfacile lerni la danan se g^i ne estas la gepatra 
lingvo.  (Sekreta, netradukita rimarko. 8-)

Gene LEDBETTER
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re:  VORTO: mang^i  to eat
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:35:45 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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[English and Pig Latin follow]

Irvin Charles Terrell diris, ke nur pro sia legado de la 
tekstoj verkitaj de c^i tiu grupo li nun legas ilin multe 
pli facile ol antau`e.

Estus utile ekscii, kiuj tekstoj estas la pli utilaj : (1) 
la dulingvaj au` (2) la tekstoj verkitaj nur Esperante -- 
au` eble iu kombino de la du eblecoj.  Diru, Charlie, c^u vi 
havas opinion ?

[Angle]

Irvin Charles Terrell commented that, merely as a result of 
reading articles published in this group, he now reads them 
a great deal more easily than before.

It would be useful to learn which articles are the most 
useful:  (1) those in two languages or (2) those written only 
in Esperanto -- or perhaps some combination of those two 
possibilities.  Can you tell us, Charlie, if you have an 
opinion?

[Igpa-Atinla-e]

Amnda!  Antca ememberra!!  Anca ouya ellta usa, Arliecha, 
ifa ouya aveha ana opiniona?

Gene LEDBETTER
Organization: Educational Tech, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA