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From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Ian Fleming's Notes for sale!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:01:45 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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From the Times (London) December 14, 1992 
--no, I DON't have permission to do this, so this message will 
self-destruct in 3 seconds...

The intimate relationship between James Bond, secret agent 007, and his
creator, Iam Fleming, will become public property tomorrow (12/15/92)
when the author's working notebook is auctioned at Sotheby's

Inside a flimsy 128-page looseleaf notebook, Fleming, the former wartime spy,
jotted down ideas for the Bond books and personal reflections.  It is  being
sold by his step-daughter, Fionn Morgan.  Part of the proceeds (estimated at
up to 30,000 pounds sterling) will go to the London Library appeal.

The entries were culled during Fleming's travles to cities such as Tokyo,
Berlin, and Bombay.  His discovery that the Japanese for "top secret"
is gohuki (you only live twice) gave him one of his best-known titles,
while his notes on gold smuggling in the Far East led to the plot for 
_Goldfinger_.

Fleming tried out names, including the villain Blofeld, first noted in
November 1958 and used in _Thunderball_ in 1961.   The notebook contains
many of the sharp descriptions of people and places that are characteristic
of his novels, such as: "She had a blunt, short-lipped mouth, proud like
a half-healed wound."

The melancholic strain in the notebook reflects Fleming's personal crisis
as he struggled with advancing middle-age and ill health.  The horrors of 
losing one's facilities are starkly drawn in these pages: "Most people 
are unconscious up to 17, dreaming until 25, awake to 39, mad after 40,
dead after 60," he wrote.

Troubled with sciatica and kidney stones, as well as his failing marriage
to his dynamic wiffe, Anne, Fleming was undoubltedly writing from 
experience when he noted: "Pain is a private address.  Only those who
have been that way before know the unlisted number."

His last work, published posthumously in 1966, was a short story, _The
Property of a Lady_, which has Bond at Sotheby's bidding against the
resident London KGB director.  Perhaps some latter-day Bond will step in
and bid to prevent this important literary document going to the 
United States.

--Andrew Lycett.




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From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Subject: Re: Other Bond choices
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:06:08 GMT

In <92350.072045TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:

>Anthony Hopkins would have made a great Blofeld, too bad he died in Diamonds
>are Forever!  What ever happen to the White Cat?... maybe there is still hope?
>A Blofeld comeback?, A Superman comeback?...Then I woke up!

>                                          -tom

Wait! Anthony Hopkins was in "Diamonds are Forever?" He wasn't the great
villian, was he?
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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:00:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.002549.12288@csc.ti.com>, simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com (Jean-Yves Simon) writes:
|> In article 27497@e2big.mko.dec.com, kim@inquis.enet.dec.com (Howard K.) writes:
|> >
|> >Timothy Dalton was then the new James Bond in the past two movies.
|> >Now I'm hearing rumors that Dalton has been axed as James Bond and replaced
|> >with Mel Gibson!
|> >
|> 
|> Can anybody tell me if I am dreaming, but I think I heard somewhere that
|> Ian Flemming agree to see his books about Bond made into movies at the
|> condition that the guy who plays Bond is from the United Kingdom ?
|> 

Well George Lazenby (Bond #2) was from Australia, and Mel Gibson is Australian.
Also, I thought Timothy Dalton was Irish. Anybody know?

Although I really don't like Pierce Brosnan, he probably is the best choice among
mainstream Hollywood actors. He sure as hell would be better than Gibson. But I
wish they'd just keep Dalton for another five or six movies. He's got the looks
and charisma. He's a damn fine actor. Why switch? Just please, please, please
don't get that ultimate Hollywood brat Alec Baldwin.

Anthony
double-O nothing 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Gardner books
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:22:47 GMT

Which of the John Gardner books do people like?  They all seem
to hit the NYT best seller list at least briefly.  I have oonly
read a couple -- they have a certain elan of their own somewhere
betweeen the hard realism of the Fleming books and the spectacle
globehopping stuff of the later movies.

Currently reading _The Man from Barbarossa_ and it is pretty "hard".

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Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 13:55:29 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: the thread about Bond women...
 <1992Dec14.225642.13605@samba.oit.unc.edu>
 <1992Dec14.231924.11365@news.columbia.edu> <1992Dec17.124455.1@ccs.csus.edu>

I have to agree, From Russia with Love was the best.  The pre-title sequence
was outstanding.  When I first saw it, I really thought Bonds gets killed and
was ready to accept a new 00?
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Other Bond choices
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:16:05 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Dec15.142922.17218@b8.b8.ingr.com> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
>Hey, maybe it would be a neat idea to have a different Bond in *every* movie,
>that way we could see how various actors would interpret the role.
>
>For example:
>
>Sylvester Stallone - "Hey, Yo, M, yo're the only guy whose name I can spell."
>
>Andrew Dice Clay - "Hey, Yo, Blofeld, I got something you can blow right here. I
>got a poem for you:
>   Specter, Spectre, what a wrecker
>   Bite my ass and kiss my pecker"
>
>Al Pacino - "Alright Blofeld, you're outta order, Specter's outta order, the
>director's outta order, this whole fucking picture is outta order!"
>
>Now that George Bush is unemployed, he could give it a try - "Don't push that
>button to blow up the world, Blofeld. Wouldn't be prudent ... stay the course ...
>thousand points of light."
>
>Hey, this is fun.
>How about Anthony Hopkins as the villian - "What do you think you're doing,
>coming in here to challenge me with your expensive suit and your cheap shoes. The
>last double-O agent you sent ... I ate him with sauteed onions and a fine chiati."
>
>Anybody else have suggestions?
>
>Anthony


Has anybody out there seriously considered Dan Ackroyd(sp?) He is a vesatile
actor that should have no trouble breaking his typecast. I still consider
the best bond choice currently standing is Dan Quayle. "Yes that's Bonde,
James Bonde" :-)
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From: le@cs.tulane.edu (Doug Le)
Subject: Voting Poll for Best Movie and Best Villian
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:36:17 GMT
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Hey, since we got the poll for Best Bond girl, I think we should get one for
Best Bond Movie and Best Bond Villian.

My vote will be FOR YOUR EYES ONLY for Best movie,

and GOLDFINGER for Best Villian.


BOND: "You expect me to talk?"

GOLDFINGER: "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:50:20 GMT

pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>
>>    I also heard Fleming also wrote eight short Bond stories that were never
>>made into movies.  Maybe Michael G. Wilson should get busy and open the doors
>>to a television mini series.
>
[many helpful things about which of these short stories made it to the 
movies and how]

>I wonder how The SPy Who Loved Me would have turned out. I don't think Broccoli
>has rights to that story.

Actually, it's just the opposite.

Thunderball is the story that Broccoli and company don't have rights to,
as the original story was NOT by Fleming himself, but in collaboration
with Kevin McClory and Jack Whittingham.  When it was not made into 
a movie initially (it was intended to be the first Bond screenplay)
Fleming went ahead and wrote a book based on the draft.  Later the
green light came on the Bond series and Thunderball was adapted into
a movie after all.  However, McClory later sued and a bitter fight
developed.  He settled for $millions and agreed not to try to
produce a Bond flick for 10 years.

SPECTRE was McClory's invention for _Thunderball_ so as to avoid taking
advantage of Cold War ensions and casting the Russians as the "new
cliche bad guy".  Interesting that despite the way people see Bond
(the White Knight of the West) he usually fought SPECTRE or SPECTRE-like
organizations seeking to profit off the Cold War conflicts.

Anyway, due to the impending end of the 10-year moratorium, Broccoli
decided to change _Spy_'s criminal from Blofeld/SPECTRE to a rather
Blofeld-like Stromberg.  It's much more Richard Maibaum's story than
Fleming's.

End note: Fleming's estate has given Broccoli & Co. the okay to produce
all-new stories NOT based on his books.  I *think* this means that
for the moment we won't see movies based on the Gardner books, odd
as that may seem.

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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 14:09:01 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Other Bond choices
 <92350.072045TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
 <1992Dec15.190608.27764@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>

> Wait!  Anthony Hopkins was in "Diamonds are Forever?"  He wasn't the great
  villian, was he?
...
Yes indeed, and Superman was played by Roseanne Barr!
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From: troy@cs.sfu.ca (Troy Brooks)
Subject: Re: Other Bond choices
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.190608.27764@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon) writes:
>In <92350.072045TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>
>>Anthony Hopkins would have made a great Blofeld, too bad he died in Diamonds
>>are Forever!  What ever happen to the White Cat?... maybe there is still hope?
>>A Blofeld comeback?, A Superman comeback?...Then I woke up!
>
>>                                          -tom
>
>Wait! Anthony Hopkins was in "Diamonds are Forever?" He wasn't the great
>villian, was he?
>-- 
>Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
>University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
>New York			*		- Rush, "The Trees" 

No no no! Anthony Hopkins has never been in a James Bond movie. Charles
Gray played Blofeld in Diamonds are forever. He also played Dikko Henderson
in You only live Twice, but that's another matter.

Troy Brooks
troy@cs.sfu.ca

Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com (Jean-Yves Simon)
Subject: Re: best Bond babe
Reply-To: simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:43:36 GMT

In article 6yA@ccu.umanitoba.ca, tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst) writes:
>pure babe-licity, though, has to be Carole Bouquet (Melina - FYEO)!  Holy
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Excellent choice, I second that request for Carole Bouquet to be the best Bond girl
ever,ever,ever,ever...


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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:09:35 GMT

>As we all know, Pierce Brosnan was asked to play James Bond after Roger
>Moore's disembarking, but alas could not because of his contract with
>the show Remington Steele.
>Timothy Dalton was then the new James Bond in the past two movies.
>Now I'm hearing rumors that Dalton has been axed as James Bond and replaced
>with Mel Gibson!
>Several questions come to mind:
>1. Why (if this is true) was Dalton axed or did he want to leave?
>2. If he's leaving, why didn't they try to get Pierce Brosnan again?  He's
>not doing anything now (except that role in the Lawnmower Man).
>
>Anyone have any insights? 
No, but I have another question.
Of all people, why Mel Gibson? He seems ideal for someone in a movie like Mad
Max or Lethal Weapon but for a more glamorised tyoe of setup I can't see how
Gibson would fit in. He seems to be too direct and much too raw for a James
Bond character. Well, in my opinion, he would be better than Roger Moore. 

philip


Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
 if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"
From: steiner@dorm.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: 1958 TV version of Casino Royale (was Re: The First Bond)
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:55:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: steiner

In article <1992Dec1.135148.13477@b8.b8.ingr.com> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:

> Did anyone see the telecast Monday night of the 1958 television
> production of "Casino Royale?"  It was on Turner Broadcasting.
> 
> It was rather interesting. Not only was Bond played by an American
> actor (with no attempt to make him British), but they even kept
> refering to him as Jimmy Bond.

Arg!  I didn't bother watching the TBS stuff since I had seen all the
bonds from their previous week of showing all these movies and I've
gotten a number of bonds on laserdisc lately which are much better
watching along with no commercials.  So what do I miss?!?!?  The TV
version of Casino Royale!!!!  I've never seen this shown before!  Did
anyone bother to tape this?  If so, I'd love to hear from you.  We
could setup a trade or something.

Also, does anyone have the CAV Criterion version of Dr. No?  I'd love
to hear from you also.

thanks,
ds
-- 

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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Other Bond choices
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:29:22 GMT

Hey, maybe it would be a neat idea to have a different Bond in *every* movie,
that way we could see how various actors would interpret the role.

For example:

Sylvester Stallone - "Hey, Yo, M, yo're the only guy whose name I can spell."

Andrew Dice Clay - "Hey, Yo, Blofeld, I got something you can blow right here. I
got a poem for you:
   Specter, Spectre, what a wrecker
   Bite my ass and kiss my pecker"

Al Pacino - "Alright Blofeld, you're outta order, Specter's outta order, the
director's outta order, this whole fucking picture is outta order!"

Now that George Bush is unemployed, he could give it a try - "Don't push that
button to blow up the world, Blofeld. Wouldn't be prudent ... stay the course ...
thousand points of light."

Hey, this is fun.
How about Anthony Hopkins as the villian - "What do you think you're doing,
coming in here to challenge me with your expensive suit and your cheap shoes. The
last double-O agent you sent ... I ate him with sauteed onions and a fine chiati."

Anybody else have suggestions?

Anthony
From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Bond movies: the best & the worst
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:07:44 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec12.004839.28342@seas.gwu.edu>, alexrh@seas.gwu.edu (Stephen Hellman) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Having been a Bond fan for many years, I was very happy to find this BBS once I got to college.  I've enjoyed your debates on the best Bond villan, babes, and Felix Leiters.  For the record, I'd like to say that Auric Goldfinger was the best Bond villan, Ursulla Andress from Dr. No receives my vote for best babe, and Jack Lord for best Felix Leiter.  Now I'd to open a debate on the best and worst of James Bond movies.  I'd have to nominate Goldfinger as the best, with For Your Eyes Only coming in a close


 
s> e
> cond.  For worst, Moonraker receives a resounding nomination with License to Kill coming in second. (What is the deal with Felix being EATEN BY SHARKS??? Who are the ad wizards who thought of this one?)
> 
>                              --B.A.P.  (not Steven Hellman) 

The Man with the Golden Gun is the worst Bond flic (has anyone actually seen
it lately?  Roger Moore's lame attempts to emulate Bruce Lee are embarassing).

On Her Majesty's Secret Service gets my vote for the best (despite Lazenby,
who is more than compensated for by the presence of Rigg, the most credible
Bond partner ever, and Savalas, the best developed Blofeld).

I can't understand all those who loath Moonraker, which was just the logical
extreme of the Moore films.  People who dislike License to Kill also puzzle
me - can't you stand some raw action after all those years of nancy Moore 
films?   These two films are probably at opposite ends of the Bond spectrum
and I find it interesting that they are the ones receiving the most complaints.

Richard.

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From: bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan)
Subject: Re: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
Organization: Netcom
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:19:45 GMT

pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>No, but I have another question.
>Of all people, why Mel Gibson? He seems ideal for someone in a movie like Mad
>Max or Lethal Weapon but for a more glamorised tyoe of setup I can't see how
>Gibson would fit in. He seems to be too direct and much too raw for a James
>Bond character.


don't sell Mel Gibson short.  Even though he is typecast in most of his
movies, he happens to be a very good actor.  I understand that he was a
Shakespearean actor before Mad Max.  That is obviously a different acting
job altogether.




M, BATR..
..Steve Bilan

Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:56:14 -0500 
From: Chad Adam <ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The definitive guide to Bond women

>Interestingly enough, Pierce Brosnan's wife was in For Your Eyes
>Only.

Which character?  
 ______________________________________
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Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 13:38:36 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!

Blofeld comes to a rather ambiguous end in Diamonds are Forever-perhaps leaving
 the way open for further ransom threats in the future.  He is last seen trying
 to excape from his oil rig head quarters in a personal capsule.  But Bond has
taken over the controls of the crane lowering him into the water, and he ends u
p being bounced up and down on the rig and generally used as a battering ram.
-True, Blofeld could be still alive?  I never saw Never say Never Again, but wi
ll.  It wasn't from Eon Productions Ltd., or a Ian Fleming novel, but who says
it has to be.  If Blofeld is alive then SPECTRE (Special Executive for Counteri
ntelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) must still be active.  Great!
    I also heard Fleming also wrote eight short Bond stories that were never
made into movies.  Maybe Michael G. Wilson should get busy and open the doors
to a television mini series.
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:01:10 -0500 
From: Chad Adam <ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: The Bond Babe Contest

The Results will be posted on Sunday evening from where I am...you
should be able to see them within the next day or so.
Good luck to all the contestants!
	-Chad
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From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Subject: Re: Other Bond choices
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:49:43 GMT

In <92350.140901TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:

>> Wait!  Anthony Hopkins was in "Diamonds are Forever?"  He wasn't the great
>  villian, was he?
>...
>Yes indeed, and Superman was played by Roseanne Barr!

Really? Where have I been? =)
-- 
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University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: craig@aux1.amherst.edu (Craig Garnett)
Subject: Re: The definitive guide to Bond women
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:12:32 GMT

Chad Adam (ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> >Interestingly enough, Pierce Brosnan's wife was in For Your Eyes
> >Only.
> 
> Which character?  

She played Lisl, and her name is Cassandra Harris.
-C
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: craig@aux1.amherst.edu (Craig Garnett)
Subject: The definitive guide to Bond women
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:01:18 GMT

I have here before me a copy of "The James Bond Girls", by Graham Lye.
In addition to having photos of just about every woman who has ever
been in a "mainstream" Bond film, it also has an abbreviated cast listing
for each movie, a small reproduction of the theatrical poster for the
movies, and a very short introduction by Broccoli in which he sounds like 
some kind of letch: "To me, however, every one of them will always be
the young and beautiful girl who walked on the set her first day on call."

Oh, in the text, it claims that From Russia With Love was the most
faithful movie to an Ian Fleming novel.

Interestingly enough, Pierce Brosnan's wife was in For Your Eyes Only.

I don't know if you'll be able to find it, but I got my copy for $5 at
a grocery store book department. Hell, it's worth $5 for the slipcover
shot alone, with Licence to Kill's Talisa Soto and a fishnet-clad
Carey Lowell on the cover.

_C