HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Adobe/Sun Announce
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:23:41 GMT
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Geoff Brunkhorst writes

> That's not how I remember it.  The extension has to be supported on
> both sides of the 'wire'.  I run into a lot of "extension not supported
> on server" error messages when running DEC's DPS stuff on an Xterm.
> Granted that is some bastardized X11R[3,4] that DEC is using, not R5.

You've missed the press release about DPS NX, then :-).  The DPS NX
system is an 'agent' - a third process which will take your PostScript
and send the correct X protocol to the server for you.  Then, the X
server you are talking to does not need the extension integration.
Yes, there are performance issues.  But if you cared about that small
difference in performance, you probably wouldn't have bought X terminals
in the first place.

Best part is, the Display PostScript client library already knows how
to talk to an agent for you - your application speaks on API, and
doesn't have to care if the server has Display PostScript as an
extension as long as a DPS NX agent is or can be running on your
network.

> Also, Sun, et al, has to start selling systems to end users.  Ever
> notice how hard it is to change the font size on an xterm window?
> Mere mortals can't do it.  A lot of NeXT's selling points to the
> common end user is the ability to switch fonts on the fly on apps
> like Stuart and Terminal and Mail (a lot of blind people use computer
> nowadays).  Display Postscript will not sell the soap, until the
> development environment makes it too easy not to incorporate easy
> to use functionality.

Well, cheesy apps that don't care about typography can use ATM
undex X (or the other scalable rasterizers).  If you care about
typography, you're going to speak PostScript anyway.

--
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From: nhuebner@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nancy J Huebner)
Subject: Unexpected kernel page fault failure
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:47:29 GMT

We are having problems powering on one of our NeXT workstations.  To give you a
little background, this is what lead up to the problem:

One of the users powered the machine on and then put a diskette in the the disk
drive. (Basically I think they hit the power button and then immediately put thedisk in the drive).  I guess the machine did not boot up correctly and they 
couldn't get the diskette out of the machine or power the machine off.  To get
the diskette out they used a paper clip, only instead of putting the paper clip in the little hole next to the disk drive they tried to put it in the disk      drive (along with the diskette).  To make a long story short, they got the
diskette out.  Now sometimes when the machine is powered on it boots up okay,
other times it does not and will eventually if you keep rebooting it.

Today I managed to log the following error message:

Remote debugging enabled
NeXT ROM Monitor 2.5 v66
NeXT Mach 2.1: Thur Mar 7 19:13:47 PST 1991; /ph1_source/projects/mk_108
FPU Version 0x41
Physical memory = 20.00 megabytes
using 16 buffers containing 0.12 megabytes of memory
fc0 at 0x2114100
unexpected kermel page fault failure
trap: type 0x410 fcode 6 rw 1 faultaddr 0x504b8
trap: pc 0x504bc sp 0x0 sr 0x2000
trap: cpu 0 tn 0x0 proc 0xffffffff pid -1 pcb 0x0
traceback: fp 0x4000dfe
called from pc 0405f170 fp 04000ele 4-args 10008328 10002004 00002019 0000000a
called from pc 0405e42a fp 04000e4e 4-args 10008328 10002004 00000000 00000002
called from pc 0405df52 fp 04000e62 4-args 10002004 10008340 100083e2 04000e7e
called from pc 0405ef12 pf 04000e7e 4-args 10008328 10008340 10008328 04000edc
called from pc 0405d590 fp 04000e9e 4-args 10008328 ffff2010 00000009 00000001
called from pc 0405dba8 fp 04000ebe 4-args 10008340 04000edc 00000001 040a40d8
called from pc 0405f73a fp 04000f36 4-args 10008328 04000edc 04000edc 0000005a
called from pc 0405cce2 fp 04000f66 4-args 10008328 04000f64 10008328 00000000
called from pc 0405de86 fp 04000f76 4-args 040a4168 04097f78 04000fa2 0404eb16
called from pc 0404eb16 fp 04000fa2 4-args 04097f78 02114100 00000064 00020000
called from pc 0404e938 fp 04000fb2 4-args 040973a8 04097878 04000fe6 04051b9c
called from pc 04051b9c fp 04000fe6 4-args 04000000 00000000 00000005 05fff50e
called from pc 0401ee80 fp 04000ffe 4-args 10208000 04000000 00000000 00000005
called from pc 040010a4 fp 00000000 4-args 43b90405 247c0c39 00000409 95486736
last fp 0x0
panic: (cpu)) MMU invalid descript during table walk.
NeXT ROM Monitor 2.5 v66
panic: Next Mach 2.1 Thu Mar 7 19:13:47 PST 1991


If anyone can offer any help I would appreciate or is this machine fried?

Thanks in advance
Nancy J. Huebner  (njh@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu)
 

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Anybody working on Elm 2.4PL0 under NS3.0?
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 05:12:21 GMT



I got the new Elm today, but I haven't had much luck
compiling it under 3.0.  The Configure script is quite
different from the old one, and I've run into several snags
I can't get past.  The details are lengthy, so if you've got
it knocked, I would love to see your congif.sh, and if
you're working on, maybe we could compare notes by email.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: 3.0 Librarian
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:39:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.174215.5653@news.columbia.edu> nwc@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (Nick Christopher) writes:
>In pre-3.0 Librarian you could offer your own file filters to get
>ascii out of a file type. So you could handle things like WordPerfect.
>This was done by placing a <filetype>-ascii program in the .index
>directory. This appears to be broken now. Also the descriptions that
>appeared in the Librarian browser could be created by hand with a
><filetype>-desc program in the .index, this too is gone.
>
>Librarian does not seemed to have improved with 3.0... NeXT has so far
>ignored my questions on the topic.
>

This makes depressing reading. The lowest common denominator seems to be
getting lower. Librarian is one of my favourite applications, but it crashes
a lot under 2.0, so I was looking forward to a new improved version.

Haven't heard much about the Mail app yet. Does that have lots of new
features to replace all the little service workarounds?

Seems to me that NeXT's first priority should have been to improve the
application kit and the basic applications. They are reputed to have some
good programmers and they are working on the premier development system
under which you can write apps two or three times faster (or whatever the
marketing hype says), so the two years that they've been working on 3.0 are
equivalent to FIVE years on a Sun system, so we should expect great leaps
forward in 3.0. No?

Dave Griffiths
From: aha@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Adult Human Abilities Project)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:10:13 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology

In article <1992Oct1.022014.8445@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep30.222442.22322@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
>aha@squeeg.psyc.virginia.edu (Adult Human Abilities Project)
>writes:
>
>>If you are using rn or
>>trn, just press "r" to reply and send a message that says "I
>>volunteer".    
>
>Which will do this with your message, namely receive it
>and bounce it back with a badly malformed address.  *Often*!
>Really often.
>

My apologies for the bounces.  While we figure out why squeeg is
bouncing mail, please address your reply to:

aha@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu

Thank you for your patience.

Steve Boker

-- 
The Adult Human Abilities Project      *-------------------------------*
Jefferson Psychometric Laboratory      | aha@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu |
The University of Virginia             *-------------------------------*
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From: tlm@iastate.edu (Dr. T.L. Marchioro II)
Subject: Re: Mathematica- can't get our passwords
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:32:02 GMT

In <1992Sep30.130721.28046@lsa.umich.edu> Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.130436.20940@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul  
>S. Sears) writes:

>> Things might be alittle  
>> better if they provided a provision for temporary passwords that last a few  
>> days so you can use Mathematica while your copy is getting officially  
>> registered.
>> --

>That is a great idea!  I hope WRI picks up on it.

WRI can do this NOW!!!  

I've dealt with WRI many times, by phone, mail, E-mail, etc. etc.  Overall
I rate them fairly high, but, like a lot of small companies (and a few
countries I've lived in) it seems that the "rules" are determined by the
person you speak to.  I've never had any trouble, provided I used the
"polite but firm" approach to things, i.e. I don't p*** off the person 
I'm talking to, but I also don't necessarily just take what they say
as God given.  If you have Mma, expect them to give you a password after
you've made a reasonable argument. If they say "We're trying to give
out fewer passwords by phone" then tell them to mail you one but request
a temporary password (I know they have these because they issued me a 
couple when we had a NeXTdimension on loan for demonstration purposes).
You may have to talk to th eperson in charge of licensing about this
--- I believe her name is Peggy Forbes --- but I would be surprised if it
didn't work and you got a temporary until the real one arrived.

Incidentally, while I haven't discussed these latest licensing problems with
anyone at WRI, I *have* heard their side of the whole Mma-NeXT bundle
configuration and they have some legitimate complaints about the way the
software distribution/passwords/upgrades are handled.  My impression is
not that NeXT or WRI is particularly at fault, but rather that the deal
was not clearly thought through at the beginning so each side ended up
unhappy with how things are handled, particularly as the # of copies
has risen.  I find neither NeXT nor WRI to be one of the "greats" of
customer service, but neither have they been noticeably bad --- actually, one
time NeXT was quite good, but I suspect that was becuase Paula Lorenz, 
an all round good person, was handling the problem.

Hope this is Helpful --- Tom


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From: rdm@fnbc.com
Subject: Re: more icons in dock?
Reply-To: rdm@fnbc.com
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 18:49:18 GMT

In article <22531@galaxy.ucr.edu> curt@doumi.ucr.edu (Curt Burgess) writes:
> 
> The application dock is set up so that one can put 13 icons along the
> side of the screen.  Is it possible to have two columns (26 icons)
> along the side of the screen?  I've checked FAQs but find no reference
> to this.  Any ideas?  Thanks!  Curt


If you don't mind spending a few $$$ you should look into Engage!  from 
Atherton Software Works  (415) 321-3720 -- info@asw.com

I have NOTHING to do with them --- I just use their product and it is GREAT
for extending the dock, (you can even dock folders and working files.)

They do have the most grotesque licensing scheme in the world though, so be  
warned about falling in love with the package on a network (It's license 
is linked to user AND machine...so good luck when you log into a machine
that you don't normally use)
- rdm@fnbc.com

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From: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith)
Subject: Re: Mathematica- can't get our passwords
Reply-To: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:34:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.130436.20940@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu  
(Paul S. Sears) writes:
> I have registered 50 copies of Mathematica 2.0.x during the past 6
> months.  In general WRI has been very prompt and helpful.  I have had 
> some very timely responses (less than 2 hours!!) and I have also 
> experienced some delays (3-5 days).  Since Mathematica is tied to the 
> hostid, a password cannot be generated until they have that information, 
> which the user must provide.  If the information the user provides is 
> inaccurate, then there are delays.  I have to admit that it is a flaw 
> for WRI to choose just one method of licensing, although it is the kind
> of licensing which benefits large clusters of workstations and one which 
> we particularly like.  Things might be alittle better if they provided a 
> provision for temporary passwords that last a few days so you can use 
> Mathematica while your copy is getting officially registered.
> 

Hmmm. We've registered ~80 copies since May (three labs). We haven't had a  
response faster than two weeks in any of our tries (and we've been in  
touch with WRI numerous times). If the delay was 3-5 days we'd be quite  
happy, but the most recent lab we installed (41 turbo machines) was bought  
primarily to run Mathematica in intro Calculus and Linear Algebra classes,  
and the password delay was three weeks! Not a good way to start a new  
academic year:

Prof:"Good morning - I'm your calculus instructor, and these are NeXT 
      computers"

Student:"What are we using these for?"

Prof:"Well... nothing. But they sure look good sitting on the desks, don't   
      they?"

--
Adrian Smith
University of Alberta NeXT Campus Consultant
adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Audix: 5482
 
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From: nwc@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (Nick Christopher)
Subject: Re: Leveling the playfield at the expense of users? (was: Re: 3.0 Librarian)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:40:10 GMT

> If NeXT removed the aforementioned functionality, could this be
> another one of their brilliant ideas for helping 3rd-party developers
> (in this case, Vertex with their Librarian program)?  

I have been wondering that myself. I want to believe that they either
saw the functionality as useless or it was lost in the shuffle of
switching to the use of the indexing kit. But the lack of response
from NeXT to my various queries makes me annoyed and suspicious.

\n
Nicholas Christopher
nwc@gun.com

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From: rcbaab@rw9.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Mathematica- can't get our passwords
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:41:20 GMT
Reply-To: rcbaab@urc.tue.nl

enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders) writes:

>     I found the file in /tmp and mailed it to register@wri.com on Saturday.
>Still no word!!!  (*sigh*)

So we are not the only victims (3 students who got our educational copy of
Mathematica). It's been 9 days now sice I mailed the file in /tmp...
and I still can't do anything useful with the program!
Hopefully, my password will be in my mailbox this evening.

Annard
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From: tlm@iastate.edu (Dr. T.L. Marchioro II)
Subject: Re: Need help installing ZyXEL U-1496E modem
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:56:40 GMT

In <1992Oct3.104256.25014@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley) writes:
>In <1af7d9INN119@network.ucsd.edu> asp@chem.ucsd.edu (Alexander S. Polinsky) writes:

>>2. In in /etc/ttys I put

>>ttyda   "/usr/etc/getty D9600"          dialup          on

>Try ttydfa

I would also suggest you set this to "off" initially and see if that
works. Having the modem worry about dial-ins as well is just a needless
cmplication at this point.


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From: rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C. Antony)
Subject: Re: Playing Audio CDs
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 07:41:44 GMT

In article <BvFusu.E3w@gate.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes:
>In article <717915282snx@nuguk.demon.co.uk> paul@nuguk.demon.co.uk (Paul  
>Beaumont) writes:
>> Is it possible to play an audio CD through the internal speakers of the  
>NeXT?
>
>This has been commented on here recently.  I think the answer was no.

Well, the answer is actually yes, but it might not be what you would
really want to have :-(
If you say "play an audio CD through the internal speakers of the
NeXT" you probably mean also that it sounds as nice as CD-quality
sound played off the hard- or optical disk. The answer for that is no.

You can however attach a line-out-to-stereo-microphone-adapter-cable
and take the CD-ROM's line out and plug it into the NeXT microphone
plug. Then you pick up a utility called "radio" from the archives,
install it, read the manual and run it. And see there: you have your
CD sound out of your NeXT speaker, just it sounds like it went through
a noisy phone line with occasional drop outs. (After all you
successfully changed 16-bit linear stereo 44.1kHz sound into 8-bit
mulaw mono 8.1kHz sound....)

So although it is not a solution, it should be mentioned for the sake
of completeness...

Ronald



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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Mathematica- can't get our passwords
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:27:22 GMT

enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders) writes:


>     Why in hell does Wolfram say that you can get the password over the phone
>*in the documentation* but refuse to give you one when you call???  Why don't

It has been my experience that they pretty much refuse to give more
than 1 or 2 passwords over the phone.  It has also been my
experience that they have lost 12 page faxes of licenses.


>they seem to care that the e-mail option of MathInstaller seems broken under
>NS 3.0???  Is this supposed to be customer service???  My employer probably

It seemed to me that the e-mail option NEVER worked. (even under
2.1) (worst of all - it didn't tell you that it didn't work)

>wouldn't appreciate my spending the department's money sending a fax for
>personal business.  I really wanted to do some things with my Mathematica over
>the weekend.  Now, I'm left wondering if Wolfram gives a flying fart about
>their users (or is it just NeXT users).

Well, in Wolfram's defense, they did do a spiffy job issuing me
floating license server passwords over the phone and in e-mail when
I absolutely had to have them to open for classes.  But it seems
like quite a few people get lost in their shuffle, and they admit
that there are problems with the password process.

Being in town helps me, because I don't mind sitting on hold...it's
a local call.  I can imagine how frustrating it would be if I were
in Germany or something.
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Pathetic news from NeXT--what's new??
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:22:57 GMT
	<SOWA.92Sep30105336@amdew.llnl.gov>
Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science
In-reply-to: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov's message of 30 Sep 92 17:53:36 GMT

>>>>> "Erik" == Erik C. Sowa <sowa@amdew.llnl.gov> writes:
Erik> I ordered mine in May and picked it up the NeXT day.
Erik> Did ya ever think there might be a rush near the end?

Ooops. Came off a bit too harsh. Sorry if I offended anyone. I don't
mean to exonerate NeXT, but when you make your plans, you need to take
past experience into account.

--
erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
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From: coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo)
Subject: Re: AUUUUG! December ship on July order!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:50:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.193454.16552@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes:
>
>    Uh, excuse me, but I think that I have a legitimate complaint since
>    NeXT seems to be employing their "random order" or preferential 
>    shipping systems again.  Their seems to  evidence to suggest that
>    NeXT did not ship their available CD-ROM drives to customers on a 
>    FIFO order bases.
>

	For the record, I placed my order the same week (I forgot the actual
date) that the CD promotion was officially available, and I received the drive
a week and a half later.  No complaints from me, but I agree with other netter
comments.  With NeXT's track record on back-logging orders, how could they
under-estimate the number of orders that would be placed.  Someone has been
screwing-up big time at NeXT (for a long time now) and apparently no one is
doing anything about it over there.  When will NeXT realize that all these
customer INCONVENIENCES are hurting their already bad reputation.

--Felix

This really sucks ...

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From: "Ruediger Popp, EBI/GEK Uni Ka" <IE12@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: NeXT Network
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 09:44:32 GMT

Hello NeXT users,
I am the administrator of a NeXT-network (14 stations, 1 Cube, NeXT-CD,
Sony-OD ) at the Engler-Bunte-Institute, Dept. of Chemistry and Techno-
logy of Gas, Oil and Coal. We are using the machines for scientific
and engineering applications, especially for scientific wordprocessing.
Our Internet-connection will be set up at the beginning of december 92.
I'd like to exchange Information with other network administrators.
..
Ruediger Popp
Engler-Bunte-Institute
Bereich GEK
Richard-Willstaetter-Allee 5
W-7500 Karlsruhe 1
Germany
..
FAX: +49 721 693019
TEL: +49 721 608 2575    E-mail: IE12@DKAUNI2.BITNET (no NeXT-Mail)
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