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From: andrewm@bmers30.bnr.ca (Andrew Moizer)
Subject: Ontario Northland/Polar Bear Express Info
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:53:03 GMT

I would like to put together an N guage "Polar Bear Express" train.  I 
have a couple of ONR LifeLike F7's for the front.  I am now looking for
pointers to the coaches (style, lettering help) and to the box cars
that also make up the train (I understand).  In general how many of each,
etc.

I would also appreciate any pointers to articles etc.  I have managed
to get a couple of postcards at train shows but that's it so far.  

I should have got into this earlier though: a past girlfriends dad used
to *drive* the Polar Bear Express!!

Thanks in advance
  Andrew
--

Andrew Moizer andrewm@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa. 613 765 2073
Standard disclaimers apply                         ("Use the source Luke")
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal)
Subject: Re: European Train Enthusiasts (was Pantographs)
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:06:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.215843.7965@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> karayan@rigelrigel.cc.bellcore.com (karayannopoulos,george) writes:
>In article <Baird_David-071292124606@dgb.storage.tandem.com> Baird_David@Tandem.com (David G. Baird) writes:
>>For $10 a year you can subscribe to ETE - European Train Enthusiasts.
>>
>>David }
>
>Which reminds me:  I recently switched to N scale European modeling.
>Are there any other European train modelers in N scale out there?
>Anybody interested in swapping info on e-mail?  I'm interested in
>US modelers, but European N scalers on netnews are very welcome
>to respond, of course!
>
>Any shows/flea markets for N scale European stuff in the US?  How
>about the NJ/NY/PA area?
>
Being French, I first started to buy N-scale European trains, a few years
ago, mainly from Arnold Rapido, which has a very good reputation of quality
and a large choice of cars and engines. There are different companies
iin Europe selling N-Scale stuff, mainly German companies : 
Arnold Rapido, Fleishman, Minitrix, LIMA, ROCO and also a Spanish company 
but I do not remember the name.

European N-scale models are very expensive (DM currency...) and can be 
certainely ordered from the USA. You can probably get an electric engine
such as a B-B from Arnold for $150-200. A small box car is about $20.
Prices are suprisingly high for American consumers, but that's the reality
of the market over there. Everything is much more expensive !

There is a place in Miami called MIAMI TRAINS I think, which imports 
German products and Japanese stuffs. Their prices are simply 
outrageous. 

When I discovered American Trains, I felt in love with them and for more 
than 4 years I have not buy something else (which is better for my bank
account, by the way).

Also, with most european trains, you have to install a catenary, and it can 
be very difficult in N-scale if you want to use it as an electric conductor
to feed your engines.

Hope this help
From: davison@blueridge.fibercom.com (Mike Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Marklin Digital
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:56:58 GMT
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia

In article <BzDwMn.Kw5@world.std.com> ljd@world.std.com (Larry Davidson) writes:
>Can anyone provide some info on Marklin Digital? Perhaps including
>pointers to more info, and opinions on whether it's worth the expense?
>I tried Marklin's 800 number, and they offered to send me info about
>the regular Marklin line and the Digital one; what I received today
>was an attractive 4-color brochure with only one brief (and
>uninformative) paragraph on Digital, plus a form letter that began
>"Here is the information you requested. The Marklin dealers in your
>area are...". The letter then proceeded to list ten dealers, with a
>footer stating "* indicates dealer is also a certified Digital
>dealer". Unfortunately zero out of the ten were starred. Any
>suggestions?

I tried this also and got the same response. I then wrote a very 
nasty letter to Marklin and received a copy of the Marklin Digital 
Newletter that was actually useful. You would think that when a 
company spends thousands (millions?) of dollars to advertise a 
product and even to provide an 800 number they would actually
provide the information that people are asking for! 

By the way, that helpful list of retailers wasn't a bit help to me either. 
There was one local dealer that was supposed to be a Digital dealer.
When I went to this store and asked about Marklin I got "We sometimes
carry one trainset but we don't have anything right now." Yup, it
was a serious hobby shop ("trainset" Jeeesh!). 

Mike

-- 
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FiberCom, Inc.             |  voice:    (703) 342-6700, extension 349
Roanoke, VA 24022-1966     |  fax:      (703) 342-5961
From: Christian Kreuzer <Christian.Kreuzer@wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Kapverden Islands
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:05:54 GMT
Organization: Institut f. Unternehmensfuehrung
Distribution: world
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X-XXMessage-ID: <A7565C0C2B072009@j181mac1.wu-wien.ac.at>
X-XXDate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:32:12 GMT

Has anyone been at the Kapverden Isalnds (Capverden) in the South
Atlantic?

I plan to go there End of August 93. Any Ideas about Wind, Waves and
Weather Conditions that time of Year?

Thanks for replies

Hang Loose
Chris
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Keywords: What's the wind like?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:51:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.192113.13429@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>With all this talk about great winds, I though I'd find out how
>good the wind is at all the places I'm applying to graduate school.
>So all you windsurfers tell me how the wind is in
>
>	Irvine
>	Pittsburgh (can you windsurf anywhere there?)
>	Boston
>	Providence
>	Boulder
>	Tuscon (how about here?)
    ^^^^^^
We used to waterski in the canals (being pulled by a truck on the
bank) 40 miles north of Tucson but that's really stupid and illegal.
I noticed a few paragraphs about AZ windsurfing in WINDSURFING magazine
last spring (don't recal the issue) Apprantly there is some wind in the
winter but the lakes in Azerona are all at least 2 hours from Toostoned.


I'd love to hear where and what Boulder windsurfers do - may end up
living in that neck of the woods.  Also - how bout Reno Nevada, Is the
delta the closest?
>
>Dan

Andy
From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: This stuff has to go
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:11:45 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.


	Prices have dropped, and buyer pays shipping. I'll go in half for
	shipping of boards.

	1991 Mistral One-Design COMPLETE w/7.4
		(fin, daggerboard, mast, boom, base,
		straps...RACE READY)
							$900  
	1992 Fanatic ULTRA BOA Semi-complete
		(Fin, straps, built in jump-pads,
		 base and universal)
	    **excellent condition**			$605
	8'10" Jimmy Lewis custom slalom
		w/straps, pads and fin	         	$400
	Mistral Challenge Flex w/pads, straps and
		both tails				$230
	8'3" Shuler Gorge Custom w/straps, pads
		Great Shape, spectacular graphics!      $500
	3.5m 1990 Neil Pryde Combat Wave		$180


		            _________________________________________________
David C. Troup  DC12	   !                Primary Sponsors:                !
dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu     ! SEATREND   SIMMER STYLE    FIBERSPAR   O'NEILL  !
414.547.4719	           !_________________________________________________!
    "Bones heal, pain is temporary, chicks dig scars and glory is forever!"
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:48:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Mast stiffness measurement
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>After a couple of years of windsurfing, I feel that I understand
>most of what I need to know about boards, sails and even fins.
>But, I still feel that I'm in the dark when it comes to masts.

Lots of questions where the answers are answered well in WSing mags.
Too much for me to even start.  Maybe someone else is braver.

>Once I understand the answers to all of these questions, is there
>anything else that is important for me to understand about masts?


Yes, how they relate to how a sale performs.  I've attended many rigging
seminars and have talked at length with several sail designers and the 
answers aren't simple or even agreed upon by all.  Once you start sailing
9' boards, you will find that you will need to understand a whole lot more.
Also, there are always tradeoffs and you have to decide which ones fit your 
sailing style, ability, desire to improve, etc.

>Scott R. Nelson
> F2 Comet (10'6"), 2 12' O'Brien boards, 9 sails 3.6 through 8.5,
----------

Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cgoudie@endor.sim.es.com (Craig Goudie)
Subject: BIC Presto and other course slalom boards
Summary: pretty twichy boards
Keywords: jibes like a brick
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:58:33 GMT


	Hello again,

	I've got this other buddy who purchased a BIC world cup
	Presto at the end of this season.  We only got to ride it
	a couple of times but, I could tell that I just didn't understand
	this board.  Here's how it went; my bud jumps on his board
	and planes off almost immediatly in 12MPH winds, sails to the other
	side of the lake (blowing by most of the other sailers on the 
	lake who are slogging) jibes a big wide arch jibe, cruises back,
	hands me the boom and says it's the best board he's ever ridden.

	I jump on the board, slog off, pump heavily to get on a plane,
	dart back and forth in the water with very little control over my
	direction (maybe I could have gone fast if I'd kept it in a straight
	line), have to take about a 100 foot arch to jibe this tank like
	board, dart back and forth back to the beach certain that my bud is
	insane while the incredibly vertical rails catch the chop at funny
	angles and throw me on to slightly different tacks.

	But no, he grabs the board (having been on it only once) and dusts
	the field again.

	Are all course slalom boards like this?  I know the industry is
	moving to flatter and flatter boards so people must want'em for
	some reason.

	All my boards (even the 9'9") have pretty wavey outlines and tend
	to have the rails tucked forward and more vertical aft.  They all
	have a moderate amount of rocker.  And they all plane through a jibe
	in less than a city block, not to mention being fully controlable
	in moderate to heavy chop.  

	Soooo, how do you ride one of these boards (obviously my bud can
	and he's hasn't been sailing as long as I have).  Usually I don't
	have this much trouble getting comfortable with a board.  An even
	better question, how do you jibe it efficiently?


	Craig  

	P.S. If this type discussion bores you guys or if it's inappropriate	            to this news group, feel free to tell me to stop.  Since I can't
	     sail I have to do something to keep the demons away.

	8'9" Velocity spoon, 8'10" Bailey jump, 9'9" Sailboards Maui
	Wt 180#, Ht 6'3", Usually sail on high desert lakes near SLC in Ut
	Go short or go home 
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: xxsipahi@utagraph.uta.edu (Mr. Esat Sipahi)
Subject: Surfing in San Diego in January
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:21:48 GMT


  Dear Netters,

 I will be in San Diego for the USENIX conference in January (between 24-31)
I was wondering about the windsurf conditions and places to rent equipment from
in San Diego. I would very much appreciate this kind of info 

Thanx a lot.
-- 
_________________________________________________________
|  Esat Sipahi                                          |
| Unix Systems Manager                                  |
| University of Texas at Arlington                      |
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:30:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec13.164159.7972@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi
(Juri Munkki) writes:

|> It takes ages for magazines to reply to letters that you send them. The
|> least you will get is their author's guidelines.
|> 
|> Anyway, I really liked your first article, but you haven't quite matched
|> that one lately. I still enjoy reading the reports, but I'm not sure that
|> they are of professional quality. Keep writing, experiment with your style
|> and try to find new things to write about. Reading about about failing
|> jibes and misfortunes may be fun once or twice, but it gets old pretty
|> soon.
|> 
|> To put all this into perspective, I have to tell you that enjoyed the
|> Eric Sanford articles in Windsurfing for a few months and then I got
|> the feeling that he didn't have anything new to write about.
|> 
|> I guess I get bored very quickly...

I appreciate Juri's response very much---most people would rather give
faint praise than constructive criticism.

However, having been compared (indirectly if you wish) to Eric
Sanford, I am giving in to a strong urge to defend myself.  My stories
are about facts.  I certainly try to give them a humorous
interpretation, but I am concerned with substance.  I feel that
sharing selected personal experiences is intrinsically interesting,
because the reader relives the same experiences, in a manner that is
both diluted and distilled---diluted because the reader needs to
reconstruct a lot of missing parts, distilled because the writer can
concentrate on the most relevant aspects of the experience.

I can't avoid writing about misfortunes because when everything goes
well there is little to write about.  Maybe I had a lot of fun, but
that would look utterly boring on paper.  The hint, however, is
useful.  Perhaps there are other interesting things to write about.

Luigi
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cgoudie@endor.sim.es.com (Craig Goudie)
Subject: Re: Want to drag race an Astro Rock
Keywords: gort lives
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:25:21 GMT


	Thank you all for your info, you seem as friendly as the locals
	here! 

	The responses ran from running a flatter sail to tieing a rock
	to my buds board (guess this makes it an Astro Rock Squared).

	I've tried a pretty bladey fin on the Maui and I didn't care for
	it ( much slower to plane), maybe I just can't have both speed
	and planeability.  

	The hull shapes of the boards are similar in rocker but the
	Bic has a quad cave and my board is a bi cave.  I may have
	more wetted surface just because my board is so much longer.

	I've purchased a Lodey Super Comp 7.5 because I think the sail
	may in fact be what's holding me back, but I won't be able to
	find out how much this is going to help until next year (all the
	lakes are frozen over now.

	Thanks again for all the response.

	Craig Goudie

	8'9" Velocity Spoon, 8'10" Bailey Jump, 9'9" Sailboards Maui
	Wt 180#, Ht 6'3", Usually sail on high desert lakes near SLC UT
	Motto: Go short or go home
From: kenb@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Ken Brown)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:11:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: weather radio recommendations?
Organization: Shred Heads Board Room
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> Don't know about "the best", but there is both Cobra and RS CBs with
> weather radios built in which is a nice feature since you can get good
> weather info while driving using the CB antenna.  On the other hand, my
> RS, 3-channel weather radio purchased for $12.99 on sale is still working
> fine after 3 yrs of almost daily use and I can bring it inside while the
> CB/WR is more difficult to do this with!  A guy at Pillar Pt. had one
> Sunday and it was loud and clear way away from his van which you can't
> say about the hand-held.

I know this is a bit of a stretch, but are there any CBs out there with
an airband as well?  Or lets get greedy - how about a weather channel and
an airband.  Sure would be nice to be able to pick up the latest up to the
minute SFO reports.  I know about the RS hand held model, it just seems a
bit rediculous to have my CB (which doesn't have weather) *AND TWO* hand
held radios in the truck.


> Kirk (10-4) out


KenB

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Gone With The Wind
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:53:09 GMT

Guys & Gals,

This is the last day of my contract with Intel and it's off to greener
pastures at Interactive Systems, Inc.

Any mail should be sent to rogerc@techbook.com (my preferred e-mail
address).  I will be checking news and mail at least once a week.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all, good sailing.
-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:35:07 GMT
Subject: Re: BIC Presto and other course slalom boards
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>But no, he grabs the board (having been on it only once) and dusts
>the field again.

Is he lighter?  Is he heavier?

>Are all course slalom boards like this?  I know the industry is
>moving to flatter and flatter boards so people must want'em for
>some reason.

I can dust much better sailors on wavey boards with my CS boards,
especially my new 8'11" with the footstraps so far outside my feet
dragged in the water until I got more comfortable with its speed.

It is fun to catch people, attempt a jibe, get wet and then catch them
again and again.  Now that I'm hitting 50% of my jibes at Coyote Pt, I
chase even better sailors.

>All my boards (even the 9'9") have pretty wavey outlines and tend
>to have the rails tucked forward and more vertical aft.  They all
>have a moderate amount of rocker.  And they all plane through a jibe
>in less than a city block, not to mention being fully controlable
>in moderate to heavy chop.  

>Soooo, how do you ride one of these boards (obviously my bud can
>and he's hasn't been sailing as long as I have).  Usually I don't
>have this much trouble getting comfortable with a board.  An even
>better question, how do you jibe it efficiently?

It takes alot of time - especially getting used to the speed and/or
sailing overpowered.  I still can't sail my 8'11" comfortably at the
edge of being overpowered so my range is less with this board.  The few
times I've had to sail it "really powered" if felt like I could look around
for someone to catch and then get 'em.  The boards are fast, you must keep
speed up to carve through a jibe and I've stuck the nose/edge a few times
for a wet surprise.  For my weight, a step jib helps keep the boards flat
and carving longer; sink the tail and the jibe is wet until you learn to
sail clew first.

Also, lightweights plane in a knats fart on lightweight epoxy boards so they
can get a good jump on us heavier folks.

>Craig  
----------

Kirk out
8'8" Challange Flex, 8'11" & 9'3" ASD epoxy CS, 9'9" Velocity & 11'6" Malibu 
Wt 218#, Ht. 6'0", Usually sail on SF Bay, Cailf.  (kirk@hpocia.sj.hp.com)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 17:48:54 PST
From: <RAIMONDI@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject:  four wind-wings sails on sale

hi, i have four wind-wings sails, convertibles (one camber
    removable and full or half batten) two years old
    (in excellent conditions).

    the sizes are:   3.5  4.0  4.6  5.2

    the price is $650  for all of them (full quiver only)..

if anyboby is interested please e-mail me at raimondi@slacvm or

call john  at:             home: 415/9217912
                           work: 1-800-339-1410 extension 219

                             have fun........
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:38:03 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <4310552@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
>Ken Berger writes:
>>You guys really should try snowboarding during the winter.  It's
>>
>Sounds like fun, but 4-6 hrs druve time in off times each way, $40 lift 
>tickets, $100 Hotel charge,......
>No thanks

Ya, that can be a bit harsh.  For us to board up on Hood, it's a 1.5
hour drive, no lodging required, and a 27 dollar lift ticket ($13 at
night).

>said 50 MPH gusts (40 knots) so my estimate was pretty good.  I use
>spray blowing off the swells (liquid smoke) for wind over 40 knots, BTW.
>
That's a pretty good indicator of wind over 40 IMO.

>Anyway, I'd be careful with saying "nobody does" anything.  There was some
>guy out on that day with an old BIC, 50lb type windsurfer!  He didn't
>get very far upwind off the beach.....But he was a navigation obsticle.
>Kirk out

Well, it was a bold statement aimed at getting a response (it
worked). I wonder though, how much fun that guy was really having.

p.s.  I heard the Delta had 4.0-4.5 wind on Sunday with fairly warm
conditions.  My friends sailed at The Jungle for a few hours in the
afternoon.

Ken "we need more new snow" Berger
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:44:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1680@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com
(Wilton Hart) writes:
|> 
|> This weekend I met a friend who handed me an 8 page book with a title
|> of "GONE WITH THE WIND".  My first thought was that someone had given him a copy
|> of Luigi's articles.  After looking closer I found that it was a copy of an 
|> article from Forbes Magazine.  It was written by Henry Allen and Paul Cox.  

I knew that sooner or later someone was going to steal my title.

`Gone with the Windsurf' is so much better though.  Particularly
because `windsurf' isn't really a noun (or is it?).  I am allowed
to use it that way because English is my second language.

--Luigi

P.S. Someone from a .com internet address sent me mail about the
above, but I deleted it by mistake before I replied.  Could this
person please write again?
From: ohdav@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (David OH)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:26:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Big Island really zilch?
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan Noble) writes:


>    I read Japanese.  If you fax me a copy (1-408-437-9031), I'll do a
>    quick and dirty translation and post.  Incidentally I have the latest
>    issue of "Hi-Wind", another Japanese mag.  Mainly local (Japanese)
>    stuff though.

>    Alan
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sorry guys, the magazine was being passed around at my sailing club,can't trace
the owner. BTW, the few Japanese magazines that I have seen seem to have 
very good pics in them. This particular issue also had a harness review with
dozens of harnesses in it.

Rgds

From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:50:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, brad@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Brad Ritter) writes:

> ... your frequent, usually well thought out opinions.
> 
> Of course they are often all wrong :-)........





Thanks Brad.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:

> I remember stories I enjoyed immensely ... 

I didn't post this again.  How did this happen????
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing