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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<MDAY.92Oct7175317@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> <Bvu6vz.9p8@acsu.buffalo.edu>
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:14:59 GMT

   dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:

   > mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
   >shifted, so that a tan was a sign of sufficient wealth and leisure to
   >lie around in the sun.  It's not the color itself that matters (so
   >naturally-dark people aren't idealized), it's what the color change
   >implies.

   So what you're actually saying is:
   one is natural born while the other is hard earned

If you want to think about it that way, although using "hard-earned"
to talk about leisure grates on the ear.  I also want to make clear
that I'm explaining this view, not condoning or advocating it.
Personally, I find dark skin ("natural" or "earned") attractive but
I'm not at all keen on the "boiled lobster" effect that many whites
get and call a "tan".

   I don't know what your race is but from what I can tell about your
   intelligence you should be very grateful of the quota-system used by
   admissions officers (BTW, if you're as smart as you pretend to be, why
   don't you post your scores?)

I don't know what I did to annoy you, but this is one of the weirdest
suggestions I've received in a while.  

When have I pretended to be a person of great intelligence, or
asserted that I am somehow brilliant while everyone else is stupid?
You must have me confused with Dwight Joe or Hyok Lee.

I'm also not sure what you mean by my "scores".  I'm not exactly a
young lad any more, so it's been a while since I took any standardized
test.  Have you thought about how you would go about verifying my
"scores" even if I did post them?  Or what they would prove, one way
or the other?

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 03:24:41 GMT

In article <NXkgsB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>
k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>...
>> Then, I presume that the MITI folks and Mr. Nakamichi favor an immediate
>> opening of Japan's market to foreign rice.  As soon as Mr. Nakamichi
>> returns home, he should immediately inform the LDP of his views.
>> 
>...  As far as I'm concerned the political 
>question is not whether Japan will open its market or not, but when it 
>will do so, in exchange for what concessions, and whether the LDP will 
>still retain its majority position after losing the support of the rural 
>community.

I find statements like this to be annoyingly deceptive, and they are
typical of comments made by Japanese.

The tone and structure of the statement suggests a detached gov't
on which the Japanese people must wait for a response.  Bull.
Mr. Nakamichi, you _are_ the gov't; it caters to you and not the
other way around.  (We see the same kinds of responses when the
Japanese are asked why there is a museum for the victims of the
A-bomb yet there is no memorial to the victims of Northeastern
Asia.  They say, "Well, that's the way the gov't wants it so ...
shikata ga nai.")

Come on.  Say it up front.  Mr. Nakamichi, do you or do you not
favor immediately opening the rice market?  Do you or do you not think
that the LDP should act on this issue?

>...  Perhaps things will start to change when the 
>US pushes through with a lot of bilateral trade agreements that result in 
>tremendous discrimination that can no longer be tolerated.

I agree there.  Only tit-for-tat retaliation by the USA will force
the necessary changes in Japanese trading system to appear.  Nothing
short of retaliation will do it.

For every barrier that Japan permits to exist, an equivalent barrier
should be enacted (against Japanese imports) in the USA.

I should add, though, that the barriers to trade in China are far
greater than the barriers in Japan.  According to the San Jose Mercury
news, the White House has compiled a list of specific grievances
(consisting of dishonesty, theft, and outright trickery by the Chinese)
that is the _largest_ of its kind among all of America's trading partners.
That this is true shouldn't be surprising at all.

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From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: UPENN "Oriental" Studies
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:05:17 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: usa

agarcia@remus.rutgers.edu (anthony garcia) writes:
|
|	It seems, The University Of Pennsylvania , who will hold
|a conference on Violence Against Asians to this day refers to their
|asian studies department as "Oriental" Studies and is not about to
|change the name.
|
|	I would like to here opinions, information from any UPENN
|alumni/students or anyone who has some comment on this topic or
|calling asians "oriental".

This is one of the oldest topics that ever appeared on the newsgroup...
seems as though there's been a lack of interest in it lately.

Brief answer:  many don't care, some older generation (particularly
immigrants) prefer "oriental", while some USA-born people slightly
to strongly dislike "oriental".

How old is UPenn's department?

|                            A big question our paper, Common Interest,
|has been asking recently is: What countries make up the Orient?

Good question.  In some contexts, Orient refers to the easternmost
parts of Asia (like China, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Korea), but
in others it may refer to other areas (like the Orient Express).

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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.000951.20083@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> 
> [ opinions on the economic future of Japan ]
> 
> (Then, it's time to boot China out of the permanent council of the UN
> and to put Japan on it.)

     Oh no, here it comes.  You never stop, do you?  You'll twist any
discussion into a bash China/Chinese-cu thread, won't you?  Come on,
give it a rest!!!!

> Finally, Edward Bennett
> (then Secretary of Education in the Reagan White House) sticks his neck
> out and offers a curriculum; it is college-prep and resembles very
> much the demands which are placed on Japanese kids--lotsa science and
> math.  Of course, there was much emphasis on the books written by great Western
> thinkers.
> 
> Well, the first thing that happens is that bozos from the Politically Correct
> movement pop up all over the place and accuse Bennet of making a "lily white"
> curriculum; i.e. there is far too much emphasis on the achievements of
> of White men in Western civilization.  Some of those same bozos were
> Chinese-Americans who subsequently were part of the Rainbow Coalition that
> stormed the Stanford President's Office in or about 1989; apparently, part of
> their grievance was the "excessive" emphasis on the achievements of Western
> civilization in the Stanford undergraduate curriculum.
> 
> Here's the rub.  Some Chinese-Americans will tout Japan as a symbol
> of how far America has declined, using Japan as a kind of Oriental godsend.
> Meanwhile, they will advocate the kind of educational tampering with America's
> education that even liberal-minded Japanese educators would never even
> think of doing to Japan's education system.
> 
> Here's the tally to date.  Bennett's proposal has never implemented.
> The Western civilization component of the Stanford undergraduate curriculum
> has been reduced.  Some extra courses on Chinese-American culture, with liberal
> helpings of glorification of the Chinese culture, have been added.
> 
> Does anyone really think that Japanese educators would tolerate cutting
> chunks out of Meiji-restoration history (a crucial element of Japanese
> modernization) in order to triple the time spent on Chinese contributions
> to the development of the "cha-siu man"?  (A cha-siu man is a white biscuit
> with bits of barbecue pork in the filling.)  No, I didn't so.

     Dwight, you've got Chinese-cu on the brain.  Seriously, I think
you're overly pre-occupied with the topic.  Perhaps some professional
counseling might help.

							George


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From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Western Culture suck Shit!
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:21:18 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.

In article <92388@netnews.upenn.edu>, dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
(Denny MWC Wong) writes:
> 
>  [General anti-white/western comments deleted]
> 
> Racism in the States, if you think is serious, you are joking.
> 
> Go to other so-called "western" countries like australia and England.
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^
> The white pigs there virtually have no respect and tolerance for the
> black people.or other non-whites.  They still think that Africans live
> on trees.
>  
> White police pigs can beat up black people on the street without
> hesitation and for very minor reasons.

(I wasn't going to reply to this `Hate' posting except for the fact that 
I felt I should defend my country)

Denny,

Have you BEEN to Australia?  Do you know what the `average' Australian
thinks?  Have you talked to Australians?  If your only source of
information are the small grabs on US TV/newspapers then you have
no justification in such a GROSS-OVERGENERALISATION.

Sure, there are still problems here.  There are still some people who
are bigotted/prejudiced/ignorant; but isn't this the case everwhere?
IMHO Australia is one of the more tolerant countries in the world,
both in the government legislation and the people themselves. 

So unless you have more detailed information and sources I would
humbly suggest that you don't mention things you know nothing about.

> [More Hate comments deleted]
> 
> Den./

-- 
Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, 
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168.
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Movie/Book Ratings Report 10/92
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.220437.3376@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu writes:
>...
>Top 5 Movies
>------------
>10.0   2  Raise the Red Lantern
>...
>Mean   #  Movie
>----   -  -----
>...
>8.21  19  Killing Fields, The
>...

I would make 2 suggestions:
(1) If I understand the system correctly, the #2 in the "Raise the Red Lantern"
    line indicates that only 2 people responded.  That's an awfully tiny sample
    to use to put that movie in the top 5.

    In the future, Mr. Chin should insist on a sample size of at least
    10 before a movie is ranked in the top 5.

(2) Do a separate column for Westerns (Asian-Americans, Irish-Americans, etc.)
    and for everyone together (including Chinese-cu, *ugh*).  I strongly
    suspect that the ranks will change.

    It is a crying shame that "The Killing Fields" did not make the top 5.
    It is 1 of the classic movies of all time; it captures the stark horror
    and brutality that men can attain.

    (As a side note, the Chinese-cu gov't has been funneling weapons
    to Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, which were responsible for killing
    1/3 of the Cambodian population.)

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Mr. Baseball - More Japan Bashing?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:29:48 GMT

Hi George!

In article <1992Oct9.215357.12489@tcsi.com> gwu@tcsi.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>     Has anyone seen the movie "Mr. Baseball."  The story line is about an
>aging baseball player who is forced to go to Japan to keep playing.  I just
>saw a commercial for it, and wonder if it isn't going to promote more of the
>old clumsy oriental geek stereotype.  Yeah, I know, creating a contraversy
>about a film increases the box office draw.

Just saw it.
Not a great movie, not a super bad movie.
The #2 male Japanese part was Michael Douglas' costar from Black Rain.
There will inevitably be some interpretation suitable for bashing.
It's basically a clash of two cultures film (like similar films like
Gung Ho).  One thing (trivial) interesting is that the Japanese
characters all drive German cars. ;^)

The Selleck character does win the girl, and does come back to the US.
Selleck's character makes his comments about "not eating bait" [sushi], but
that's part of European-American based culture.  The Selleck character
is used as a bridge for his manager (#2 above) and his daughter, Selleck's
character's love interest.  Westerners don't come out ahead necessarily
in this film, they don't come out behind.  The Selleck character is
seen as fun loving and intentionally immature.
You might check rec.arts.movies.reviews for a review.

Wait for the video tape.

BTW: I recommend an article just published in SJ Merc's West magazine
by a former baseball fan (I'm not a fan from elementary school days),
but the writer's hypothesis is that if you want to see what's "wrong"
with America, you will find it in baseball (recent).  A rebuttal side bar
also appears.  Keep that, and see the video tape.  It does not mention
Japan, but it was a great contrast immediately after seeing the film
(they jibe well).

Just passing thru.

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From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:51:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I am not sure if it is appropriate to post this here, but I'll give it 
a try. I am from mainland China and I know a lot of people from mainland
China and Taiwan. Naturally mainland Chinese and Taiwanese date americans
when they are here. Now the interesting part, usually the girls who can 
get chinese dates don't date Americans. Most of the times, only those
who cannot date Chinese or Taiwanese date Americans. No offense to anyone
here, just my observation. 
ZZZ
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From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:07:22
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In-reply-to: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov's message of 13 Oct 92 00:39:59 GMT

In article <Bw1B6n.3qG@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.234250.7240@u.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:

>>Another thing I wanted to add about Japanese productivity. I often
>>wondered if the people I worked with wouldn't have been more
>>productive if they weren't so tired all the time. We got almost no
>>vacations. We worked overtime without pay all the time, and then we
>>still had to go to the obligatory weekend get-togethers and work any
>>Saturday that came in the same week as a national holiday. (So if
>>Wednesday was a holiday you got to take it off, but you had to make up
>>for it on Saturday. Puh-leeeeze!)

>   It's my impression that in Japan, Mr. A who can finish 11 arbitrary
>units (AU) of work in 12 hours would be more appreciated than Mr. B 
>who accomplishes 10 AU of work within 8 hours and goes home at 5:00 p.m. 
>as long as Mr. A can keep up with the pace constantly.

>   However, I don't think it's necessarily specific to Japanese culture.
>A total amount of job done rather than units/hour seems to be used as an
>indicator of one's capability in many cases in the US, too.

What if Mr. C can complete 15 units of work in just 5 hours?
(Arrives, say around 11 AM, leaves around 4 PM, and still outperforms
all of his co-workers.)  Would he be even more highly valued or not?

At some American research labs and software companies, producing
results is the only thing that matters, and work hours are completely
flexible, but most American companies still have the old 9-to-5 (or
8-to-5) mentality ingrained upon their consciousness.  I'm curious
whether the same is true in Japan.
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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:18:23 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <LAUNCE.92Oct6152132@apollo.med.utah.edu> launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>> and there are some interesting things that indicate Asians just
>> might be genetically smarter,
>> though there's no hard proof. 
>
>Got *that* right...
>
>>  Asian immigrants get the same Math SAT scores as the American
>>  Born [...]
>AIEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, i think I have the results of this year's AHSME contest


Country         Students   # made the Honor Roll  Perfect papers Highest Scores
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U.S. Canada     355319     5920                   4              150
Belgium         872        70                     0              144
Belg(Flanders)  873        179                    0              127
Luxembourg      35         5                      0              112
China(Beijing)  1539       825                    3              150
Chn(Shanghai)   1216       1170                   7              150
Chn(Tianzhen)   560        247                    3              150

NOTE: U.S./Canada were grouped as one (Canada had about 8000/U.S. 340000+)
All 4 perfect scorers in this group were from the U.S.
Their names are (Lenhard Ng, Wei-Hwa Huang, Ren Shi, and Robert Kleinberg)

NW
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From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:50:42 GMT

robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:

> That the Japanese are gaining advances in high-tech markets every day doesn't
> say anything about their strategic front on low-tech markets, which as far
> as I'm concerned is in full retreat every day.  Japanese food products are
> expensive and uncompetitive abroad, and continue to get even more so every
> year.  Which is why Japanese restaurants in the US, on average decline in
> quality every year.

Isn't this the whole point of economic growth?  No country can or should 
want to dominate in every single industry.  They specialize in some 
sectors in which they have a competitive advantage.  A country is doing 
great if it can concentrate on high value-added sectors like high-tech, 
whereas the less fortunate nations are left with less profitable sectors. 
High value added leads to a higher standard of living, which also implies 
high wages.  Some may say that this is bad, that this will take away 
their competitiveness and that other nations with lower labor costs will 
gain from our high wages.  I say that this is exactly what should happen. 
Take a look at Japan: started in textiles, became uncompetitive as wages 
increased, moved into steel, over to ship-building, and eventually into 
high-tech industries.  This is great: less reliance on raw materials, and 
increased use of human intelligence.  The Japanese government or any of 
its agencies like MITI would not lose sleep over the fact that Japanese 
food products are not competitive on a world-wide basis.  They know that: 
70% of Japan's agricultural needs are imported.  It is unfortunate that 
we're stuck with awful restaurants but I guess that's the price we pay 
for economic growth ;-).

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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