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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys :QB problems? Thoughts?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:12:25 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1hqee0INNhb9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:

|If I remember corrrectly, the ABC MNF guys said during the game that
|the 49ers rated "3rd" in the NFL in rush defense and
|"27th" in pass defense.
|
|If someone's got the numbers and/or the correct rank, please correct me
|if I'm wrong.

You are correct sir! Actually, against the rush, the niners have been
fairly good. I think they started out 6 or 7, made it up to 1 or 2 and
have fallen to 3. However, their passing defense has always been bad
this season. Some say it is because no one runs against them. But
seeing them play at times makes one doubt this.

Dallas has been fairly consistent. Never being #1, but usually being in the
top five in both offense and defense. I think they will win the NFC
championship and hence the Superbowl. Their one drawback is their
passing attack, which is not the best. However, the niners passing
defense, although improving a great deal over the last few games, I
don't think will come up to stuff.
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:37:24 GMT

>>
>>You are truly insane!  I NEVER said it was easier to win a 
>>championship in the 80s.  My point has *always* been that while it's 
>>true that a team has to win more games to be the champion now, this is 
>>only because so many teams get into the playoffs.  So it's only a
>>matter of personal opinion whether it's harder to win a championship 
>>now than in the 60s.
>>
>>This argument was a direct result of attempts by people like you to 
>>DIMINISH the accomplishments of the 60s Packers on the basis that it 
>>was easier to win a championship 60s.  My point is that you can't 
>>prove that.
>>
>>JGH
>
>
>Well, you see, Ed likes to "prove" arguments by stating the opposite..
>That is, unless you can prove it to NOT be true, then it must be true...
>He has been doing it for years on a variety of groups..  
>

Well, lets see....

Players in the '80s were bigger, faster, and stronger as a whole than
the players of the 60's.  There were fewer teams in the 60's.  There 
were more colleges playing top level football.  This would lead to 
a larger crop to choose from, especially with fewer teams, but the 
training wasn't as good as it is today.  Keep in mind that the 49'ers
have won their championships with one of the smallest Offensive Lines
in the game today.  But that line is about 30 pounds heavier than your
largest offensive line in 1970.

What's the whole point?

There is NO comparison.  Its like trying to compare apples and oranges.
Its all kinda relative...  Of course it is harder to win a championship
now, but you also have better tools to work with.  I would find it 
hard to accept anyone's notion that the Packers from the '60s could
dominate the league today.  As I would also find it unfair to let the
49ers of the 80's go back to the 60's.  This should in NO WAY diminish
the accomplishments of the Packer's of the 60's.  Every dog has his 
day in the sun, and that's the way it should be!

You want to talk real dominance!  Look at the Buc's for the past 
10 years!  Only a couple of times have they been knocked out of the
cellar!  That is a MAJOR accomplishment..   :-)
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From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Packers still suck
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:49:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center

In article <1992Dec21.210312.22823@weber.com>, steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
|> Subject line says it all!

Don't you love it when people like this demonstrate how low their 
maturity/intelligence level is?
From: falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:06:17 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Dec29.192247.22674@ultra.com>, jdf@ultra.com (John DeFranco) writes:
> In article 5792@mksol.dseg.ti.com, dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes:
>>  Those stupid Monday Night FB announcers were driving me nuts with the
>>  damn praise of Joe Montana and the 49ers. I mean a few nice words would
>>  suffice. You would have thought Jesus was on the field by the way those
>>  idiots were acting. I mean they literally spent 3 hours praising them.
>>  Does anyone feel the same? A little praise is nice but such blatant
>>  favoritism is stupid.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> They were driving me crazy too.

  But don't you guys realize, Joe Montana IS God as far as football
quarterbacks are concerned!!  =)  =)  =)

(note the smileys)

						Mike Falkner
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From: msanfrat@cs.ucsd.edu (Mike Sanfratello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hey Ed Lor, Bills 4-0 vs NFC, one more NFC team to beat
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:00:36 GMT
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Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Dec22.185622.13902@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>
>Yep, I guess I have to learn from you....
>
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          

BUT you won't...I sucked you into responding to my tauntings, you're
game Ed; you know, the reason you live for.  And just think, I didn't
need a bargain-basement stats book, or a CD-ROM of all your past
posts.  But then again, I have more to do than spend 39 of my 40 hours
at work responding to pointless, useless, inneffectual verbiage.

I would never put you in my kill file like countless others have; the
pure wonderment of it all keeps me reading.

Have a nice life, now.

mike
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From: bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko)
Subject: Guarantee Contracts
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:54:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


A friend and I were arguing about players who get cut from an NFL team.

 --Is it common for a player to have a contract that guarantees his salary
   for the remainder of his contract, even if he was cut?

    (FOR EXAMPLE: If Marcus Allen gets cut (as long as he has years left on his
     contract), will the Raiders still have to pay him, as long as no other
     NFL team picks him up?)

P.S. I was just using Marcus Allen as an example!!!!!!!!

-- 
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Jeff Bokenko        bokenko@CS.ColoState.Edu             **** GO BRONCOS **** 
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Happy Holidays!
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 04:55:19 GMT

Well, since this will be the last day that many of you read r.s.f.p.
before a long weekend, let me wish everyone a happy holiday.  Yes,
that 'everyone' even includes the Bears fans. :-)

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Injury Question (was Re: Redskins News)
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:14:10 GMT

In article <28818@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>
>		    Washington Redskins News
>		       December 21, 1992
>
>Redskins Injury Report:
>----------------------
>G Mark Schlereth told coaches last night that he may opt for 
>arthroscopic surgery on his left knee.  He's gambling that he has
>minor damage and could return for a playoff opener on January 2 or 3.
>He has been unable to practice for six weeks and has been "in pain
>24 hours a day, seven days a week."  He went the distance yesterday
>when the Redskins lost to the Eagles, but the knee "locked up" on
>him once.
>
>Doctors believe Schlereth has a torn piece of miniscus floating in 
>the knee, and that an arthroscopic cleanup job could be a relatively
>minor procedure.  However, if more serious damage is found he would
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>be gone for the season.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am a die-hard Skins fan --- and yes, I died hard Sunday  :-( ---
but this decision by the Skins confuses me.  If "more serious damage"
exists in Mark Schlereth's knee, wouldn't playing on it one (or two
or three or ...) more game possibly make it worse, even to the point
of costing him part of next season and/or permenate damage?  Or is
this an injury that shouldn't get worse, but just wont heal on its
own?  And is this common amoung NFL players and teams?
-- 
-- Thad Crews                             (email thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves has been fired!
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:21:02 GMT

In article <30DEC199200300523@cc.utah.edu>
djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) writes:
 
>{
>{I do believe the decline of the Donco franchise is about to begin.  Suppose
>{Elway's going to be looking for work elsewhere?
>
>They're the Broncos dummy!!  Don't piss me off.  Watch out, maybe Elway will
>follow
>Reeves too. boy won't that just be a kick in the pants!
>Sheila Cobb
 
Not a chance.  Elway does not like Reeves, and was probably a big
factor in getting him fired.
 
Jim McMaster
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
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From: campbell@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Ray E. Campbell)
Subject: Re: NFL Tentative Players Agreement Is Off
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:08:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.162742.28612@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
>...
>
>Doty [U.S. District Court Judge], who then declared nine unsigned
>veterans to be free agents, told the owners and players that he would
>impose a settlement that neither side might like if no agreement
>was reached.
>
>"I've been with these cases since 1987 and nothing is either 
>expected or surprises me about what happens with them" Doty said.
>"We'll just go ahead and do what we were planning to do, at
>any rate."

I heard (on both WMAQ and WBBM Radio in Chicago) that the tentative
agreement is off, although both stations didn't say why.  I 
wonder what Doty means when he says:
"We'll just go ahead and do what we were planning to do, at
any rate."

Hmmmm.  Will we ever have another collective bargaining agreement in the NFL?

Ray Campbell, AT&T, Lisle, IL
(708) 224-4402, campbell@odutsa.att.com
Q: When will we see the next AFC Super Bowl victory?
A: It will come the same year we elect an Independent Party candidate as 
President of the United States.
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From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: salsibury
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:44:34 GMT

i have become rational after reviewing steak mans performance.
i always liked gannon over steak man because he won the starting job in
training camp, but further reviews reveal otherwise. here is salsibury
performace this year.

against cleveland : good enough in the 2nd half to pull off a win
against rams: had a solid game
against philly: one crucial interception late in the game. otherwise, he 
                moved the offense
against san fran: did not play
against pitt: moved the offense; had trouble holding on to the ball;
              good enough to win
against GB: best day of his career

after taking my blinders off, i am favoring salsibury. hopefully, his
CFL playoff experience will be helpful now.

terry allen is the key to how far the vikes go this year. if he can carry
the load and establish the run game, the results will be:
1. a shorten game when playing teams with potent offenses
2. keep the pressure off steak man
3. open up the passing game when steak man is in the pocket.

i cant wait until saturday 12:30 EST. i keep dreaming about doleman
hitting rypien from the blind side.

						vinnie
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: For New York Giants Fans
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:57:10 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.football.pro, cpg@caribbean.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Curt Goedde) writes:
>    Two other names being tossed around by the NY/NJ press are
>    Dave Wannstedt (sp?) (defensive coordinator for the Cowboys) and
>    John Robinson (ex-coach of the Rams).

    This may sound like heresy, but how about Tom Landry? I admit he
was misguided for a few years by stooping so low as to be affiliated
with the Cowpies, but heck, he is a former N.Y. Giant. That should count
for something! Don't bitch about his age. He couldn't be older than
Marv Levy of the Bills.
				      Steve
				   Steve
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 06:09:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec30.165244.8955@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <29118@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
>>    To settle this, does anyone have stats showing W-L records for
>>regular season games AFC vs. NFC? 
>Geez, why do you want to do that? Gary Strand has been campaigning 
>AFC vs NFC regular season records for years. Why? because that's the
>only AFC vs NFC criteria in the last decade that's close.
>
>>That would provide a larger data base than just comparing Super Bowl records. 
>A larger data base != more accurate reflection on a particular issue.
>Would you use the daily traffic on a particular highway to reflect the 
>traffic on holidays? or daily telephone traffic to reflect the traffic 
>on Mothers' Day?

But I thought the issue was NFC vs. AFC???  Why not look at the comparative
records of the NFC playoff teams vs. the playoff AFC teams during the years.
IE...  Buffalo beat SF and NO... AFC up 2-0.  But, both teams beat Miami..
Now at 2-2..  so on, so forthe... In a 1 game, winner take all situation,
it sometimes happens that you don't have the "best against the best" in
the SuperBowl..  IE..  New England a few years back ...
Also, just using the SuperBowl as the only comparison suffers because it
means you are using the faulty assumption that if the #1 team in the NFC is
better than the #1 team in the AFC, then the NFC is the stronger conference.
As an example, for a couple of years, many people thought UNLV was the premier
team in college basketball.  They were like this for a number of years.  
However, few would say that the conference they were in was better than, say,
the Big 10.  Another example... The Miami Hurricanes are the nation's #1
team.  Syracuse is also top 10 and Boston College is in the top 25.  Yet, 
I don't think very many people would claim the Big East as the 
nations premier conference based solely on the performance of Miami...

>Our point is simply: best of NFC > best of AFC. There is no argument about 
>it.  The only way to dodge the argument is:
>
>1) compare the AFC vs NFC in the regular season
>2) bring back the 70s SB to make the comparison more even
>3) claim that the 49ers/Redskins/Giants/Bears have NOTHING to do with 
>   the NFC; they are just in that conference by accident

And you avoid the other issue with "#1 in NFC > #1 in AFC, thus, NFC > AFC"
Well...  Miami Hurricans > Washington Huskies, therefore, Big East > Pac-10..

Doesn't quite work that way.. could be shown with additional facts, but
just with that data alone, doesn't cut it...
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davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Wildcard Teams to the Super Bowl
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:38:38 GMT
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In <OLIVER.92Dec20045426@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu writes:

> This nonsense has gone on long enough.
> 
> The first wildcard team to make it to the Super Bowl were the 1969 Kansas
> City Chiefs.  You can look it up.

  Wasn't Dallas the first wild card to WIN a Superbowl ('72 or something)?


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM (Don Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Superbowl
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:13:45 GMT
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I like the Chargers. Good offense and defense, special teams, and
a 6 game winning streak. Also they have won 10 of the last 11.



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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Dallas Pro-bowlers.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:47:33 GMT
Distribution: rec
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Gee, before I tried to type this, I had no idea I couldn't spell most of the
Cowboy players names :^)

Smith, Jay Nova"catch", Aikman, Nate Newton, Stepnowski, Irvin.

This is the way I remember hearing it on the radio.

			-Ron
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Subject: Re: FINALLY! Ray is OUT!
From: jphaid@netlink.cts.com (J.P. Haid)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:55:32 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

> 
> He's gone! He's gone! He's really truly gone! Ray Handley has been
> axed as coach of the New York Giants!
> 
> YEEEEHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Nelson - Thoroughly delirious at the moment.

        And Dan Reeves needs a job in New York!

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From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: my playoff predictions
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:57:17 GMT

minnesota 20 washington 14

the game will come down the very end. the lead will go back and forth
until the vikes defense gets more pressure on rypien and forces a
mistake. 

kansas city 23   san diego 10

the chargers are satisfied being in the playoff. without humphries, SD
is not going to move the ball. turnovers by SD will lead to easy scores
by KC. the chiefs have the playoff experience edge.

buffalo 20 houston 13

thurmon thomas will carry the ball 30+ times. reich (sp) will be
productive when he is called upon. the oilers will have trouble with
the weather and will make quick QB change if they fall behind quickly

new orleans 16   phill 10

the saints will win their first game. look for cunningham or walker to
choke in this game. defense will dictate the game. punters and kickers
will be busy in this game

						vinnie