Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Questions to Hz Kaya..
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:19:43 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Also sprach Hz Kaya towards the end of the 20 th century:
"It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth."
turkcesi "Kuran'in anlattiklarini gercek saymak hatadir."
 
Kayagiller'e Sorular
Questions to Kayaists:
 
Did you invent that 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.' as a fiction ?
 
In your use, can you say that a reality corresponds to 'It is false to 
consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' if it is true and we can 
assert it ?
If yes, so you have a use for 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth'
 
Do you use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
as an explanation of the use of the words; truth/false/Qur'an ?
 
How did you learn the expression 'It is false to consider the narratives 
of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
Has anyone explained it to you by refering to sensations, images or
thoughts that accompany hearing 'It is false to consider the narratives 
of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
 
Can you construct an application of these-symbols ?
Is this a definition about a symbol ?
 
In your use of it, is time enter into 'It is false to consider the 
narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?                             
Do you use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
to make forecasts/predictions ?
 
If you use it as a mathematical proposition, can you prove it in
mathematics according to certain rules ?
 
In your use of 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.'
, can you say nothing which happens will ever make me/us call it false or 
give up ?
 
Would you use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
if in its application things were different ?
 
Is 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' useful 
in experience ?
 
If 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
is a rule, do you know how is it used ?
 
Do you want to join different techniques with the use of 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?  
 
Do you want to use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as 
truth.' as a projection ?
 
Do you want to make 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.' independent of experience ? So you want to lay down 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' as a foundation which 
provides a form of representation ? a method of description ?
 
If you don't marvel at the fact that the propositions of arithmetic
(e.g. the multiplication tables) are "absolutely certain", then why
should one be astonishted that the proposition 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' is so equally ?
 
Can you say "I don't have to change my opinion that 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' " ?
 
I don't know what you mean, tell me exactly what you mean, or else
I may be cheated.
I need to know how it is used, do you know how to use it ?
 
An expression has any amount of use, then how if I tell you a sentence
'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.', can you 
have the use in your mind in an instant ?
 
Is this similar to nonsense or to something that is surprising ?
Are you inclined to call this nonsense ?
 
Is this nearer to the ordinary case or is it nearer to the absurt case ?
 
Is that 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
a rule about the use of symbols ?
 
Was 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
first introduced because of experience and now you have made it independent 
of experience; a rule of expression for talking about your experiences ?
 
Is it true that you have arranged your notation in such a way that
'It is true to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
as truth. ? 
and has been excluded ? Is it excluded for experiencial reasons, however 
the statement that it is impossible is not an experiencial statement ?
 
When you use 'It is true to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
can you say it is impossible ? If so, is this a rule of expression ?
Is this 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' a 
paradigm/an-object-of-comaprison and you want to use it as a model ?
If yes, is it useful ?
        is it useless ?
 
Do you use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
as a picture of an experiment ?
 
Do you use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
as a stadard for the experiment, so it is non-temporal ?
 
Do you use it as a historic description of an event, so it is temporal ?
 
Do you use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' to 
construct concepts ?
 
Do you use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' to 
describe objects ?
 
Do you want to fix and teach 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' as a technique ?
 
Do you want 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' to 
serve as a paradigm which is timeless ?
 
Do you use 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
as a standard of comparison as a paradigm for the technique ?
 
Do you want to make up your mind what you want to do with 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?  
 
Before you answer the following questions don't gaze at a form of
words forgetting my asking you what is done with it. Don't gaze to
your own soul to see if two expressions have the same meaning but
gaze how you use it.
 
In your use of 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
is it meaningful to affix to 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' by definition ?
 
Does 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' have its 
sense in a system of proofs ?
 
Do you want this sentence 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an is meaningless' to work ?
 
Would it be true that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' make any difference how you use it later ?
 
Leave alone it's meaning does 'It is true to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' have a use ? If not why don't you eliminate it ? 
If you do that wouldn't it be a modification other than closing certain doors ? 
Would it ?
 
This shows what you do with 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' : Have you chosen 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' to get to a certain point ?
You don't know what 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.' means ? Want to try again ?
 
Do you have grounds for doubting that 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
 
Has experience shown it to be unnecessary that 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?  
Can you say that experience always proves you right that 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?  
 
Does 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
state part of the picture you form to help you in the judgement of 
various situations ?
 
Do you need to satisfy yourself by saying that 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' to be able to act ?
 
If I pronounce the opposite of that 'It is true to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' would you regard me as demented ?
 
Can you say: I cannot give you any grounds that 'It is false to consider or 
falsified as truth.', but if you learn more you too will think the same ?
 
Does it make sense to doubt that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
Can you doubt that 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.' ?
 
What is it like to make such a mistake as that 'It is true 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?  
 
What is it like to discover that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' was a mistake ?
What could a mistake here be like that 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
 
Is this 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
supposed to be an empirical proposition ?
 
Is the hypothesis 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.' possible ?
 
Can you say if I am wrong about this 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.', I have no guarantee that anything 
I say is true ?
 
Can you say if you are wrong about this 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.', you have no guarantee 
that anything you say is true ?
 
What would the practical effects of this belief 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' be ?
Is it difficult to imagine why anyone should believe the contrary ?
What could induce you to believe the opposite ?
Can you imagine the opposite of 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
 
Is this proposition 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.' must be solid for you ?
 
Is this 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
a fact that you are certain of to be certain of the meaning of your words ?
 
Can you say that it stands fast for me and many others that 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?  
Is it possible for you to doubt that 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ? Why ?
Could you try to doubt that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
Can you say everything speaks for 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
Can you say nothing against 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
If you doubt that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' how would your doubt come out in practice ?
If it makes no difference at all enjoy your doubt !!!
 
What are you doing in believing that 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
What are you believing if you believe 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
Can you say that one can only believe that 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.',   
 and even that one can't believe ?
Why do you believe that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
    Have you reasons ?
    Do you need reasons ?
On what ground do you believe that 'It is false to consider 
the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
 
Is this 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' 
revealed by God ?
    via which messenger ?
    in which scripture ?
 
What does this belief 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' consist in ?
 
Why should it be possible to have grounds for believing that 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.', if it isn't possible 
to be certain ?
 
Can you say: nothing in the world will convince me of the opposite
that 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
Can you say: for me this fact 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' is at the bottom of all knowledge ?
Can you say: I shall give up other things but not this 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.', ?
Can you say: I can't be wrong about it that 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.', ?
Can you say: I cannot depart from this judgement without toppling all 
other judgements with it that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
 
Can you say: I cannot be making mistake about it that 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.', ?
If your use of that 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.' is not to be a merely an observation about grammar, 
can you give the circumstances in which this expression 'It is false 
to consider or falsified as truth.' functions ?
 
If you doubt that 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.', would you have to doubt all sorts of things that stands fast 
for you ?
 
Can you say that 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an 
as truth.' is a hypothesis, which as you believe, is again and again 
completely confirmed ?
Are you not ready to let anything count as a disproof of this
proposition 'It is false to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.' ?
 
Here you have arrived at a foundation of all your beliefs, what
would it be like to doubt 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
What would you believe if you didn't believe that 'It is false 
to consider the narratives of the Qur'an as truth.', ?
So far you have no system at all within which this doubt might
exist ? You have arrived at the rock bottom of your convictions ?
and one might almost say that these foundation walls are carried by
the whole house ?
 
Suppose it wasn't true that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.' ?
How should you imagine the mistake being discovered ?
 
If you know that 'It is false to consider the narratives of 
the Qur'an as truth.', do you also know, or do you only believe, 
that no future experience 
will seem to contradict your knowledge ?
If yes that is after all a decision. It is possible that you will act 
against it.
 
:->:->
and next time when you shit in our language, don't forget to clean up
your ass yourself.
:->:->

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