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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:40:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      Re: the morning line
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Some week(s) ago someone on this line said that NBI told him(her) that NB4 woul
d ship in September.  This was obviously the truth, and they should stick to th
at.  As far as flamining about NBI, it is certainly more appropriate than filli
ng my reader list with apple recipies.  Oh, and by the way, given the level of
invective that I have seen on some of the lists carried by our system, I think
that the level of critcism for NBI has been mild to say the least.

As far as the product itself, if I didn't like it so much, I wouldn't still be
waiting for the blasted thing to ship.

Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 13:11:20 EDT
From:         Michael T Bradley Jr <mtb3@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      NBI's business acumen
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I received my 1992 AAR/SBL Annual Meeting program today.  NBI is
not listed in the exhibitor index for this year's meeting (they
were listed in last year's program under "Dragonfly Software").
Interesting . . .

M. T. Bradley, Jr.   ||   E-mail:  mtb3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Dept. of Religion    ||   S-Mail:  P.O.D. C, Blacksburg, VA 24063
Columbia University  ||   V-mail:  (703) 951-3253
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:22:15 METDST
From:         Luuk Houwen <houwen@LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      NB Shipping now!
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I am glad to say that NotaBene 4 is actually shipping now. Although I have not
yet received my own copy, a friend here in Groningen (Netherlands) received
his copy of NB4 plus Orbis yesterday morning!
Luuk Houwen
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 11:40:53 GMT-0100
From:         PPSTJ@EDBSENT1.UIB.NO
Subject:      Re: Life after NotaBene
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> Re: Sustitute for Ibid.

Thank you very much for the suggestion !.  I will make inquires and
tell you about the result.

Tom Backer Johnsen


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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:52:06 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: IT's arrived - well, almost
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Anthony Davies writes:

> The  he handling of pre-defined documents such as Block Letters is terrible.
> To jump from label to label first type Control+Pad5 for a menu, then N for
> Next label. Next time a jump forward is wanted Alt+Pad5 are the keys to use.
> But if you want to jump back, then you have to repeat the whole procedure but
> substitute P for Previous label. The Beta testers who let this one get through
> need their heads examinged. In 3.0 Alt+[ or ] jumped backwards and forwards.
> If anyone knows a quicker way of doing this, please let me know.

You seem to have an exalted vision of the role of beta testers.
Nobody "let this one get through"--we made our reactions known to it
and NBI did as they thought best.  I for one made it clear that I
didn't like it.  Others may have disagreed.  My head may need
examining, but not on this account...

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:12:57 -0400
From:         "Cora A. Diamond" <cad2m@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      NBI
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An answer to Robert Binkley:

(1) If NB 4.0 never appears, NB 3.1 is still the best academic word
processor there is, and will meet all the needs philosophy students
have or ever likely to have.  It doesn't become moribund, if it never
has a successor: disks may wear out, but programs on them don't.

(2) As for the Kaypro version of Perfect Writer, that is a good case
in point.  I know people who are still using it, and still satisfied
with it.  I even use it myself occasionally, as I still have a Kaypro
10.  And, if Perfect Writer users must keep up with the times, there
is Emacs for them, both on MSDOS and on UNIX: I use that almost every
day for email.

Tony Woozley
cad2m@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
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From: jrl8980@tamuts.tamu.edu (John R Lenz                  )
Subject: a simple question (sp)
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:30:17 GMT

This is an interesting newsgroup!

I have a simple question.  I tried to set the page number at the beginning
of a new chapter with this command:  sp 46.  I keep getting the error
message "not enough memory for speller."  I'm not Dan Quayle and don't
want the spellere.  ???

Thanks to anyone who can elucidate.
 

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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 08:58:45 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      File0000.chk
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This is not strictly an NB question, but it's worried me off and on
for some time, and has recently come back in spades:

Last night while formatting a backup tape, I pulled out the power
cord (don't ask . . .); I replugged in, reformatted.

1) My defragger(s) [I checked two kinds] told me unallocatted clusters;
I ran chkdsk /f, picked up many.  Went back to defrag, still got
unallocated, kept running chkdsk /f, and it refused to pick them up
(all caches, tsr's, etc., unloaded).

Anyway, I had the defragger kill the 77 clusters [stupid move, probably?];
now, in my disk, i was stunned to see over 800MB in filexxxx.chk files,
each 2048K, and almost every one filled w/ the same series of graphics
symbols.  Can I kill these, detritus from the tape/powerout?

This raises the question whenever I look into a file0000.chk:  some of them,
including the ones I have currently, have IBID data.  How do I know if
this data is definitely a lost sheep, and must be put back by hand
(besides running the relevant programs)??
Is that incorrect?  What if it's binary code, and I can't do anything w/ it
(or am I being overly worried in thinking that my programs have
had bits and pieces gouged out of them?)

Thanks,

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:06:18 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: BTM batch files
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              1 Sep 92 09:14:54 EDT from <72646.3163@COMPUSERVE.COM>

I am sorry I have by mistake sent a personal note to
the whole list. This is what you pay for multitasking
(mental, that is).

Please disregard the somewhat misplaced remark in that
msg.


Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 12:45:31 EDT
From:         David Sewell <dsew@TROI.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU>
Subject:      Software omelettes
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[The following quotation was posted recently to the Usenet
newsgroup rec.humor.funny.  Its relevance to the NB list should
not be hard to determine...  --DS]

"Observe that for the programmer, as for the chef, the urgency of the patron
 may govern the scheduled completion of the task, but it cannot govern the
 actual completion.  An omelette, promised in two minutes, may appear to be
 progressing nicely.  But when it has not set in two minutes, the customer
 has two choices -- wait or eat it raw.  Software customers have had the
 same choices."

              -- Frederick P. Brooks, Jr, _The Mythical Man-Month_
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 14:20:33 CST
From:         GA3662@SIUCVMB
Subject:      Arrivals?!
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I would like to second (third?) David Harlan and Peter? Parisi's
comments about the value of fuming, or even flaming.  Sitting here
in the middle of the Midwest, with no connections to anything other
than this thin electronic thread, I too value hearing the frustrations
of fellow NB-ers.  I too share in the hope that there will be a company
to support the product a year from now.  If we have NB4 a year from
now....
In the meantime I am looking forward to trying Mr. Bennun's apple
chutney recipe in the next couple of weeks, as Southern Illinois
apples come online.  Beta testing?
            Geoff Nathan   <ga3662@siucvmb.siu.edu>
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:16:30 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Re: File0000.chk
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>Unless you *know* that clusters found by CHKDSK belong in a file
>that you had open when your power failed, it is best to delete them.

Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street

About the message I left:
a) the reason chkdsk/f wasn't getting the last bunch was because
my c:\ was full (never saw that before)
b) if I had Colorado Memory Systems "TAPE Format" program running,
than what could've been "open"?  Nothing, right, but for it?

Still anxious (but less so),

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:49:00 CDT
From:         "Harold J. Cook" <HJCOOK@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: LOMO and ibid
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As for LOMO interfering with ibid entries over 100:  thanks, you explained
what's been happening to me for some months (obviously, since I fiddled with my
startup.int).  The solution has been to add a step:  after calling up IBID using
ctrl F6, to go to "pick" and hit enter after the database you're using has been
highlighted.  Then the entries all look like they should, and can be accessed as
before.  At least, this has worked for me, although there may be a more elegant
solution.

Harold J. Cook, Dept. History of Medicine, UW.-Madison
(hjcook@vms.macc.wisc.edu / hjcook@wiscmacc)
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:20:19 CET
From:         Harry Falk <FALK@IBM.RUF.UNI-FREIBURG.DE>
Subject:      Re: NB4/Orbis Shipping
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              25 Aug 92 22:41:33 EDT from <mtb3@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>

My personal guess is that many problems with NB4 and Ibid come from the
<ascii 255>-codes, which at least Lingua uses to list accented and
other non-plain-English characters. An entry in Ibid done from Lingua
which uses any such code (remember: "one easy stroke and you get all the
attractive characters...") led to the result that this entry could not
be found again except by its number (but who knows the numbers of 3000+
records?). The <ascii 255>-coding has advantages (sp?) but also some
severe limitations: it allows searching with wildcards but not
*replacing* with wildcards. BTW, this is another feature that would
convince me of the necessity of an update. Does anyone know if NB4
can search+replace with W/L/S etc. jokers? Signature does, I'm told.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 05:50:00 EDT
From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Kermit capabilities
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Yes, I'd very much like to try the DOS program that formats a log for NB.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 12:16:30 GMT
From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Mail problems.....
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Are others having mail problems with the List also?

I firstly got nothing for days; then suddenly, after going through the
subscribing procedure because I could not imagine that a garrulous lot
like us could actually be silent, nearly 50 messages appeared this
morning...  and not even we, fortified by apples, could accomplish
that in a day!
 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:10:30 EDT
From:         "William H. TeBrake" <TEBRAKE@MAINE>
Subject:      Letter to NBI
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I am sorry that I allowed my crankiness a few days ago (at least partly
because of the non-arrival of NB4 in my mailbox) to impinge on this list
to the point of actually expressing a version of
"if-you-can't-say-something-nice-don't-say-anything-at-all".  A bright
sunny day and the beginning of a new school year (yes, the University of
Maine began today, the last day of August!) has soothed my crankiness
and made me more patient--I've not checked my mailbox for NB4 for about
20 minutes now.  So fulminate away, and please accept my apologies for
suggesting that members of the list be anything but totally frank and
forthright.  I do like the idea of a group letter though.  Whether soon
or after NB4 arrives (hopefully in the not to distant future) matters
not to me.
Bill TeBrake, History, U. of Maine, Orono, Maine USA
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:21:46 -0400
From:         Tirzah Meacham <meacham@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Mavericks
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              Sep 3, 92 11:05 pm

Who will buy NB4 is not the question?-- obviously from the complaints
many have ordered it. However, for the special language work I do it
is necessary. How many people are like me in special language needs? I
do not know. But if NBI tailors its market for the special language
needs of academics it could have a long life span in the specialty
market. As a general word processor to the public it will fail, but to
our specific needs, if it meets them it will succeed as the text book
market succeeds. There are enough students coming along each year to
keep it in business if it meets needs. NB3 actually met my needs
except for scaleable fonts in foreign alphabets. Now that we have
those, it is viable the way it is. NBI could work from home now just
selling to its select market and developing CD ROM reference software
compatible with NB for its market.  If they try to do a WP imtitation,
theyre a dollar short and a day late. By the way the University of
Toronto computer science center used to sell and support NB. They
totally dropped it a year ago or more. Does anyone know how well NB4's
conversion from/to WordPerfect works-- that is another feature that
will keep it going as a specialty item--  compatibility with what our
secretaries and Journals use.


Herb Basser
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 08:22:01 LCL
From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Alleged Arrivals
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> If this goes on much longer we may have to start discussing Apples, not
> apples.

I have a recipe for Macintosh crisp I could post.

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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:38:06 IST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Re: NB4/Orbis Shipping
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About NB4, let me say a few words. I have been a beta tester and probably
shouldn't say anything. I have been working on the 8/13 version. I received
most of the final documentation (booklets), which look good, but there are a
few minor bugs that we discovered that they are trying to fix: the redirect
printer port, doesn't "hold" its redirection; there was a small problem in the
soft fonts for the HP that would take NBI an hour to correct but until corrected
wouldn't allow you to load softfonts; there were a few problems in footnotes
that they needed to smooth over: the footnotes take on the context in which
they are entered (e.g. I entered a note in a centered environment and the text
of the footnote was centered). I had problems with the ASCII export program.
Thjere are some minor problems when you have a document with footnotes from
both NB3 and NB4. The notes are not totally compatibile and it takes a few
steps in expanded mode to work them out--actually in retrospect the
documentation warned me but I didn't notice it. The program is very impressive b
   ut has these
rough edges, I suppose at some point they must decide whether to release
immediately and then send out a debug disk in a month or to wait until every
"rough edge" is addressed.
I decided to write this because I know how anxious people are and want to know
where things really stand. It's difficult to find out by calling NBI.
Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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From: akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr)
Subject: Re: Mavericks
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:47:12 GMT

As old timers on the list may recall, Nb used to be a supported program in Ohio
State's college of humanities.  Now we have a network and an attempt to dictate
how we interact with a central office and a "big" computer.  So a bunch of us 
are still mavericks and refuse to use the "approved" software in favor of NB, 
simply because it--and not the network--meet the needs of scholars who are text
oriented.  A bunch of us have simply refused to knuckle under and switch.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:55:51 IST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      OS/2 cont. (for thelast time)
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I have expunged all OS/2 data from my harddisk (I hope). I set all attributes
to unhidden (or whatever) and deleted all directories and subdirectories. I
hope Big Blue has not left any "hooks" (Paul Bodin's great phrase) behind or
any little silicon footprint (my phrase). The technician that called last said
taht I should find out from Gateway or whoever the hex location of my COM3 port
and then they could help me; I bristled at that. "If you had written a
successful program it could find that #@%$ port", said I. DOS 5 has no problems
finding COM3 without a map. My hands are raw from pushing diskettes into the A
drive all yesterday afternoon. Would people here let me know when IBM has
written an "intelligent" patch; maybe all the programers are men; we men are
notorious for not asking for directions (even for a COM3).
        Michael Dick
        Dick@Siena
PS I'm sorry if my ravings have upset those of you with a quasi-religious
fervor towards IBM.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 11:03:58 EDT
From:         "Robert S. Leopold" <MNHAN032@SIVM>
Subject:      NB4 display settings
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The NB4/Orbis upgrade arrived in Alexandria, Virginia (USA)
yesterday.  I'm very impressed with the program, and all of
the problems I found in an earlier pre-release version have
been corrected.  There is a minor glitch, however, that causes
several "fill-in-the-blank" help menus to display incorrectly
(the cursor falls in the wrong area), and the thesaurus doesn't
highlight any of the choices. I have a monochrome monitor. The
first problem disappears, however, if I select a VGA mono video
option (via a command-line switch) at startup.  Perhaps a beta
tester with a monochrome monitor can tell me how to make the
thesaurus display properly?

Robert S. Leopold
Smithsonian Institution
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:44:38 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and Orbis
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Austin Kerr writes:

> Yesterday NB 4 arrived with an Orbis disk but without any Orbis
> documentation.  It strikes me that the only intelligent thing for me
> to do is to stick with the NB 3.0 for the time being, until I receive
> some instructions on how to use Orbis and how to use it with my many
> note files that are on Text Base.
>
> Or, am I being overly cautious?  Is Orbis so easy to use that I will
> find converting to is to easy to use that once I place that disk in
> the A drive and copy it over there will be not an ounce of a chance
> that I will not be able to access my notes as I now can?
>
> I appreciate the advise of the experts on this list.

As far as I can tell Orbis has a few bugs left so you need to take
precautions, but you CAN use it if you are careful.

First, leave the files you want to use in the directory they already
occupy.  Orbis doesn't change the files it indexes, it creates new
files to hold the index information.  Leave your present textbase
index files where they are, too, so you can use them.  Start Orbis
from the help line and follow the prompts to create a NEW textbase,
and use this when you are in NB4 while you continue to use the old
textbase when in NB3.  You can continue to do this as long as you
don't change the note files themselves--when it gets to that point it
will be trickier to keep *both* text bases up to date.  If you are
reasonably careful even that should be possible, though.

From what I have seen so far, even the preliminary versions of Orbis
are sufficiently better than the old textbase that I don't anticipate
using the latter at all from now on.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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