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From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Thoughts on Tour of Flanders and Euro Racing Scene
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:13:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: stelvio

Those following the European racing scene in 1992 have witnessed
two recent events that merit this discussion.  Rolf Golz's 22 minute
win at the Tour of the Meditarranean and the recent 22 minute(down to
2 minutes at the finish) breakaway in the Tour of Flanders caused
me to wonder what is going on in the European pro peleton.

I made similar remarks last year but, will repeat them again.  I feel
that the widening of the gap between the salaries of the stars and
the domstiques has made it difficult for teams to cooperate when it
comes time to work.

If I am a domestique and my team leader orders me to chase, then I will
do it, no questions asked.  However, if the leader of another team
asks me to chase, I am less likely to help him.  Why?  Because I receive
no benefit from it but, while I am helping this leader justify his huge
salary that may be as much as 20-30 times greater than mine.  In this
instance, the only way I am going to chase is if I get paid for it.

This is exaclty the attitude that a high ranking member of Team Motorola
described to me that now exists in the European pro peleton.  Given this
attitude, it is easy to see why these large gaps open up.

I discussed my theory with the editor of Velo News, John Wilcockson,
and he disagreed.  In citing the Tour of Flanders results he said
that it was  mistake for the peleton to let a strong guy like
Wegmuller, who already has 4 wins this year, go.  He also cited
the 1988 season when it seemed like every other classic was decided
by a long breakaway(remember Wegmuller and DeMol in Paris Roubaix?).

So you have two differing opinions, I just thought I would throw them
out!!!

Bruce
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Triathletes anyhow
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:27:33 GMT

N.W. Choe writes:

>             ... Anyhow, what I'm saying is that the worst squirrels that
> I know are triathloners. Well, they have strength, a singleminded ability
> to go solo, but smooth line? No.

So what's your point?  Maybe you just like to hack on someone who handles
a bike more poorly than you to improve your self esteem.  I think it is
preferable to gain self esteem by race performance, performance that will
get you out of that category.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 03:06:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr8.162021.15655@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
> This reminds me of the fact that, at the turn of the century,
> the fastest wheeled transportation, bar none, was the bicycle.
> When Frank "Mile-a-Minute" Murphy set his record (60 mph on
> a bike), he had trouble finding a locomotive that had sufficient
> speed to pace him!
> 
> My source on this is the book, "Hearts of Lions," which deals
> with the history of bicycle racing in America.

Not a fact.  In the 1890's, passenger trains were routinely exceeding
speeds of 60 mph.  The rail speed record in that era was set on the
New York Central, by locomotive 999.  It was in excess of 100 mph (I
do not have my reference works at hand, so cannot give the exact speed.)

Murphy's record required that a track section be "paved" with wood,
so that he could pace the train.  Perhaps he had trouble on whatever
line (CNJ?) set this up for him to find a loco that could do 60 mph,
but I doubt it.  Even an old (for that era) American type 4-4-0 steam
engine could do 60 mph on good track with little effort.  Gosh, even a
CNJ Camelback could do that!

ObBike:  what gearing did Mile-a-Minute use?

--Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:8703 ca.driving:782 rec.motorcycles:12305
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail.  NOT!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:02:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Apr2.180225.23808@rice.edu>, shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
> In article <1992Apr1.223652.8831@erg.sri.com> rat@erg.sri.com (Ray
> Trent) writes: 
> >Sigh. The "founding fathers" wrote the Bill of Rights as well as the
> >original Constitution.
> 
> BZZZZT!
> The Bill of Rights is the first 10 ammendments to the Constitution 
> of the United States.  The lack of these rights in writing almost
> caused the failure of ratification of the Consitution (cf: _The_
> Federalist_Papers_).  The Bill of Rights was drafted by a different
> body than that which drafted the Declaration of Independence or the 
> Constitution of the United States (these 2 bodies usually viewed as 
> the Founding Fathers).  These 10 ammendments were ratified by the 
> states ~10 years after the Constitution.
> -- 
> sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>

Not quite.  The Bill of Rights was drafted by Rep. James Madison
in 1789, after consulting the various official and unofficial
requests for a Bill of Rights.  He also studied the various
pamphlets for and against the Constitution, and of course, the
ratification debates, of which he played a part in Virginia.
The Bill of Rights (plus two others that were not ratified) was
approved by both the House of Representatives and the Senate
between June 8, 1789, when they were introduced, and September
24, 1789, when the Bill of Rights was sent to President Washington
for transmission to the states for ratification.  Many of the
members of the First Congress had been at the Constitutional
Convention in Philadelphia two years before.  The Bill of Rights
was ratified on December 15, 1791, by the requisite three fourths
of the states.



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a
favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace
of God." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: cbradburn@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Todd, where are you?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:14:03 GMT
Organization: Phillip Institute of Tech, Melbourne


Someone called "Todd" from tyree@well.sf.ca.us" mailed me about cycling
in Australia.  I have tried a couple of times to send a reply but
it keeps coming back "unknown user"

Todd, do you exist?   Where?  Or does anyone know him/her?



Carol .....

carol@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Tandem Bicycle (or info)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:21:15 GMT

In article <73896@netnews.upenn.edu> vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu 
(Jack Vinson) writes:
>Sean Samblanet asks about availability of tandems.
>
>I am interested too.  I would like to try one out for a weekend tour or
>even a day-long ride to see how my SO and I would get along with one.  I
>know bike shops don't usually allow long test rides (do they rent them?).
>Someone suggested that I find someone with a tandem and ask to borrow it,
>but most of my friends don't even bike, much less tandem.  I keep looking
>though.  (Any tandem drivers in the Philly area?)

Well, I'm not in the Philly area, but I would suggest that you do whatever
is necessary to get a tandem for a few days -- not just one.

I say this from the point of view of having restored a borrowed tandem (a
mid-70's Schwinn Paramount), and ridden 3 times with my SO. She was not
really a cyclist before the tandem, and certainly isn't one now. Believe me,
you learn a lot more about communication in one 1/2 hour tandem ride than in
4 years of living together.

As for the "few" days: After having spent so much time and money on the
restoration, I was certainly going to ride the beast -- alone, if need be.
Fortunately, one of my cycling friends was willing to give it a try. He
spent the first ride white-knuckled, until I suggested that he take his hands
off the bars and just look around. This worked, and on the second ride he
thought we were going too slow . . . I see us putting much mileage in this
summer, unless he decides he's not going to ride anything other than his new
'dale.

-kdg
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Greg LeMond on Summer Olympics Team USA?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:06:52 GMT
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
>Lawrence Domingo writes:
>>I understand that the Olympics Committee has lifted the professional
[...]
>>So would Greg LeMond be able to race for the USA in the bicycling event?
>
>Probably yes in 1996 if he is still competitive.

HEY GUYS! Howsabout fixing your Newsgroups: lines and keeping this dreck
out of rec.motorcycles? Not too much to ask.
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
                     I own two bikes, brand unimportant.
From: jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Clincher tire opinions sought
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:06:27 GMT

I can tell you what tires NOT to buy.  DO NOT BUY the Specialized
TriSport tires that Nashbar has on sale for $4.00/ea.  I bought two
and after less than 400 miles one of them is wasted.  The rubber has
"chipped" off in several places and the cord is showing through.  They
also seem to have cut pretty easily.

I recently posted with a similar request for info on tires and wheels.
I will send you copies of the mail I received, but in summary, both the
Michelin SuperComp HD and the Continental GranPrix received high marks.
Neither of these tires is kevlar, however, Continental claims that
the casing on their tires is tougher than kevlar.  We will see.
I just put a pair of Panaracer Technova kevlar tires on my training
wheels.  Although I have only ridden them once, I like them.  They are
pretty inexpensive, as far as kevlar tires go (2/$25.00 @ Colorado Cyclist).
The only tning is, I ordered the 700x25 and the tires I got look like they
are about 700x20!  They are marked 700x25.  Maybe this brand of tire runs
narrow.  If so, I would suggest the 700x28 size.

As for wheels, I have heard nothing but good things about the Mavic
Open 4CD rims.  They are, by far, the most popular performance wheel
in use today.  I just bought a pair and I like them very much.

Hope this helps.
-John
From: scott@mks.com (Scott Nicol)
Subject: Re: high speed shimmy
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:09:14 GMT
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems, Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA

In article <14APR92.17084622@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>I saw something pretty frightening in a race this weekend.
>[...]
>At about 50 miles per hour
>one of the riders in front of me had his bike go into very
>violent and rapid (5 to 10 Hz) oscillations.
>[...]
>His bike was moving several inches from side to side.

   The cause of this is difficult to track down, but I have usually found
that it is either because the headset or the front hub is slightly loose.

   The short-term solution is simple: clamp the top tube with your thighs.

>My guess is that he was one of the many bozos who were needlessly getting in
>a tuck with both hands on the top of the bars near the stem.

   Anybody doing this in a pack is a bozo, but if you are descending alone,
on a smooth road with not-too-sharp corners, then it is a valid technique.
It can be quite scary watching somebody descending in this way, though
(Steve Bauer does it all the time...).

-- 
Scott Nicol, Mortice Kern Systems Inc.,		Internet: scott@mks.com
35 King Street North				UUCP: uunet!watserv1!mks!scott
Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA, N2J 2W9		Phone: (519) 884-2251
From: allana@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Allan Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Vitus 979 Dural aluminum frame
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:43:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpmwnpd2.33050055
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.

I have a Vitus I bought used in 1985. I don't use it much anymore, but
it has served me well. I'm sure that I have at least 30,000 miles on it.
I raced it for a season. I've ridden it in a number of double centuries,
and a bzillion club rides. I've also toured on it. I've crashed it
numerous times, and just gotten it cold set. It's fallen off the car
once at 55 mph and I once drove it through a parking garage and sheared
it off the roof rack. It's tough as nails. If it were a steel bike, it
would have dozens of unsightly paint chips. By contrast the anodized
aluminum hardly shows the scratches.

Ride wise, it handles fairly well. It is gentle and predictable over
rough pavement. Everybody always told me that I was too big to ride a
Vitus at 5'11" and 175-205# (depending on the year) but it was never a
problem. Sure, it flexed, but I never believed that the flex slowed me
down at all. It was an excellent bike.

The Vitus is clearly a much more excellent bike than many of the
Aluminum imitators, notably Trek and Cannondale. I owned a Trek 2000 for
a year before I finally could not stand its rough, unforgiving ride and
scary descending behaviour. (And Trek's frames handle better than
Cannondale's!) So I sold the frame and bought a Mondonico. It's a
steel-framed (Columbus SLX) bike with relaxed angles and a low bottom
bracket (1/2 inch lower than the Vitus, and 1 inch lower than a typical
crit bike). It corners exceptionally well, much more securely than the
Vitus in both balls out downhill landspeed record attempts and criterium
90'+ corners in a pack. It is equally comfortable as the Vitus in all
conditions, even in rough pavement, the Vitus' forte. Some people claim
that it is more predictable in a sprint, but I don't think there is a
difference.

I believe that any steel frame with this geometry (relaxed angles and a
low BB) will handle superbly. This is the same geometry LeMond
advocates, and the same geometry famous bikes like Merckx have had for
years. I wish Vitus would make a frame with this geometry as it would be
superb. Still, the Vitus is a great frame.

My 3 1/2 year old Mondonico still looks pretty nice, but it's starting
to rust. I figure I'll have to replace the frame in another 2-3 years
for mostly cosmetic reasons. My Vitus has never shown any signs of rust.
Great bike.

Allan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: canderso@isis.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Open Thigh, Insert Handlebar (April 1992 "Discover")
Organization: Center for Life Fulfillment
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:20:17 GMT

There is an article in the most recent (April 1992) issue of Discover
magazine about an injury that a cyclist received in a bicycle-bicycle
crash that occurred on a bike path.  It's a two page article which I read
in its entirety while in the grocery store.

This is not for the squeamish.


The article is written by someome (a doctor?) in the emergency room. It seems
that this cyclist was going about 25 mph when he was sideswiped by another
bicycle.  In the resulting crash, the sideswiped cyclist managed to land on
the left end of his handlebar with sufficient force for it, and the brake
lever, to penetrate 4 inches into his thigh.  Miraculously, the injury did
not do anywhere near the damage that it could have.  Anybody want to try
marketing thigh pads for cycling?

The paramedic team had to do some bicycle disection at the scene, followed by
more in the Emergency room.  I'll let you read the article to find out how
they finally removed the handlebar stem.

Read it and weep (some cringing is in order, as well).

--
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     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!isis!cla 
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         cla@isis.cs.du.edu 
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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:19:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.205607.20972@chpc.utexas.edu> ccfa001@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu (Curt Vaughan) writes:
>It finally happened to me last week ... some @#$% QR'd the seat and
>post off of my mtb.  I often wonder where these jerks sell stuff such
>as this, and how much they actually get for their "efforts."  The combo
>cost an arm and a leg to replace, and I hate having to carry the doggone
>seat and post around with me.  Short of replacing the QR with a regular
>bolt, has anyone come up with a method of securing a QR at least enough
>to slow the thief down?

Buy a "Seat Leash".  It's a wire cable with loops on each end.  One end
gets looped around a seat stay and the other loop goes inside the rails
on the seat (it's easier to imagine if you look at the package).  I've
seen them at the local Performance shop, so they may be in the catalog.


Mike
From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: YAKAMA issue resolved?
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:28:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa


>To kill any last questions about YAKAMA's

>I just purchased a complete system directly from them as a team special...

>Ordered from Marketing in Arcata CALIFORNIA...
>Shipped from wharehouse in Arcata CALIFORNIA...
>Bill to be paid to Arcata CALIFORNIA...
>And on the outside of all the boxes it says "Made in CALIFORNIA, USA"

>This can only lead to one conclusion...Yakama must be located in Washington!

>				Bryan... 

But now we have a new question!  What's Yakama????? Never heard of it before.

Oh, you mean Yakima, that's YakIma.....  ;-) ;-) ;-)

Yeah, I think that was beat to death by aobut 20 posters already... many
of them as email to me, who disputed the first disputer. My literature for
Yakima was from some time ago.  Yakima was once a Washington state business.

  -swb-  (sbixby@cup.portal.com)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: armand@locus.com (                                            )
Subject: Re: Cellular biking hazards
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 22:42:59 GMT

dittrich@sal-sun73.usc.edu (MotrinMan) writes:

>In article <1992Apr3.204433.24988@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
> >[From San Jose Mercury News, 3 April 1992.]
> >
> >Monica Seles sprained her wrist this week after taking a tumble on her
> >bike while pedalling in Sarasota, Florida.  The tennis player's
> >cellular phone went off in her handlebar basket and when she reached
> >to answer it, she lost control and  .  .  .  crash.
> >
>
>Proving once again that Some People Have No Common Sense.  
>
>I wonder if the phone was damaged?
>
>And people complain about motorists who use cellular phones while driving.
>

That's why I recommend answering machines on them bikes.

Armand


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From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
	<1992Apr7.131915.20082@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:25:03

In article <1992Apr7.131915.20082@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> grande@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (brad.l.grande) writes:

   Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Path: sarah!rpi!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!att!cbnewsh!cbnewse!cbnewsd!grande
   From: grande@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (brad.l.grande)
   Organization: AT&T
   Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:19:15 GMT
   References: <AD0834.92Apr6114101@eve.albany.edu>
   Lines: 28

   In article <AD0834.92Apr6114101@eve.albany.edu>, ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson) writes:
   > Hey -
   > 
   > 	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
   > question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
   > cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
   > least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
   > non-leather shoes?
   > 

   Andy,

   Be careful, if the synthetic material if derived from petroleum, it may have
   been leather at one time.  Your best bet is to screw your cleats directly into
   the soles of your feet. :-)

Hey... there's an idea!



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From: au141@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Amber M. Spillers)
Subject: is my headset TOO loose?
Reply-To: au141@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Amber M. Spillers)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:41:26 GMT


   I get a very unpleasant shimmy at amy different speeds not just hig
speeds and not just low speeds it seems to just "happen".  I belive my
headset is tight enough BUT I would appreciate your option.  when I push
the fron wheel up against a wall the headset does not "give" and when I
lift the bike up a few inches and drop it the headset does not rattle or
give.  I will be the first to admit my headset is not too tight but I
thought that when adjusting bearings the goal was to get to a point where
it was tight and it did not give (which is how my headset is adjusted).
the oter vitals on my bike is:

trek 560 (501 renoylds frame)
campy athena headset.
23 mm tires on iso II rims with shimano 105 hubs. (correctly adjusted)

  if anyone can help me with this it would be MUCH appreciated, the
wobble prevents me from eating on bike safely.  

if you need more info feel free to E-Mail me and I will get back to you
ASAP.  and any help I can get would be appreciated.



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