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From: kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:18:27 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Dept. of Crystallography

In article <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu> shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
>Shame on you, godless Chinese!
...
	Tell me why I need God to live or to be a human being. Did you
ever feel like human being when you first time heard that there are
people in this planet who believe in God? Confucious culture which
largely influenced by Buddhism in history has been predominant in China
for thausands of years though there has been no explicit God in the
minds of Chinese people, and this made Chinese culture survive no worse
than any other survived ones. So why do we all of a sudden need some God
to be ourselves? 

	Don't use God to scare people since we are mostly non religious.
We have lived without God pretty good after all.
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From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:52:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.100931
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov7.022828.5299@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>(deleted)
>are in jepardy. The question is, how does one deal with it when it seems
>that everything is going against him and he is in a dead end?

Believe me, there is no reason that "everything is going against him and
he is in a dead end." But he may feel so, that is the problem. Don't expect
too high, and be prepared to face troubles, then you'll find the world is
not that bad at all.

>(deleted)
>I don't hate Lu Gang, I have only sorrow for him. Hope this will never happen
>to one of us again.

Agreed. After Lu Gang tragedy, I seldom flame netters on SCC, because I
sometime assume some crazy netters might need some comfort rather than
flame. Let me suggest a SCC rule:

If some one's SCC article makes you extremely angry, assume the author is
Dr. Lu in the eve of the tragedy, and try to reply to him.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:42:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <BxBKIG.8rH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
> 
> I just read the current Chinese Magazine (CND-CM) cm9210z.  There is only one
> long article about the bloody Halloween last year at University of Iowa.  It is
> a very worthy article.
> 
> It was the first time I know so many details about the event.  If you havn't
> seen it yet, you'd better get the CND-CM to read it.
> 
> I think it can be a new topic to discuss.
> 
>             /|
>            / |		
>           /  |		Ziniu Wei
>     _____/___|_____	Center of Excellence of Document Analysis (CEDAR)
>    /    /    /    /	Department of Computer Science 
>   /    /    /    /	State University of New York at Buffalo
>  /____/____/____/	
>       |   /
>       |  /		Internet: ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
>       | /		
>       |/		

Please don;t be fooled.

We have sent CND-CM a letter which is co-sign by ALL except one chinese students
metioned in Mr. Liu Yujian's article.  That one student also agrees with the 
content of our letter, but he prefer to keep his name anonymous.

The feeling of ALL chinese students at Dept. of Physics and Astronomy of UI can 
be summed into one word: OUTRAGED.

I think and I hope CND will carried on our letter soon.   Here is just the 
first paragraph of our letter:

"  We are deeply disturbed by Liu Yujian's article in your special HXWZ 
supplement.  In that article, the author distored the facts, misquoted
other people's words, stretched-out herasay, and, more over, made up a theory
out of his own speculation.

........."

Personally,  I am angry since most of my words quated (either with or without
my name on) were made out of nowhere.  Mr Liu simply fake them up.  But I am
outraged because the real victims got killed one more time by Mr. Liu Yujian's
"soft knife".   We just can't accept that.

Mr. Jiang Yuan, please tell your friend, Mr. Liu Yujian, I am waiting for his 
phone call, or he can pass his phone number to me.   This time, I am eager to 
talk.


Feng Wei
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
The Univ. of Iowa

 
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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:15:50 GMT

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Nov5131249@math12.bunny.rhic.bnl.gov> deng@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>
>Xiao-Lin, you may hurt yourself in whatever way you want. Please refrain
>yourself hurting Chinese in general.

Sorry if I have hurt you. But couldn't help. At least you feel hurt too.

>You really mean "Shame on me, a Chinese", right? ;-). 

Right, it is part of the sentence, a subset.
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:55:05 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics

Note, this post is not intended as a flame, but an example to demonstrate
how some "facts" are being commonly treated in this net.  I appologize
in advance if it sounds offensive to anyone.

In article <9NOV199213243935@utkvx2.utk.edu> xic@utkvx2.utk.edu  writes:
>
>I can hardly agree with you on this.  As a matter of fact, 
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Sometimes I got goosebumps hearing this phrase...

>CCP's decisions were
>always made by just a few top officials, or even  by just one person.
>We do not want to go back to Mao's period, Deng was totally responsibile
>to what happened in 6.4.  

	Then, how did you know this "fact"?

>In my opinion, Li Peng  as well as the political
>bureau could never make this kind of the decision without the agreement of
>Deng.   

	Ah, it is your opinion, rather.  :-(


	[I don't know exactly how CCP leadership makes decisions.  My
impression is that almost all decisions were passed by some kind of
procedure, by central committee or politic bureau.  Some person had
more influence than others, such as Mao and Deng, who had used their
own personal power, legally or illegally (such as military 
interference), to influence the result.  But seldomly they make
decisions just on their own.  At times, Mao and Deng both had to
"go south" to promote their agenda since their proposals could not
pass the leadership in Beijing...]



	 Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:11:29 GMT
Organization: Yang Zi Riverside
In-reply-to: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu's message of 10 Nov 92 22:19:39 GMT


* Since the article by Mr. Liu has made a deep impression on readers'
  mind, it might be necessary for you to give some your side stories,
  or facts. Although your letter does tell your opinions toward 
  Mr. Liu's article, it did not give a different picture of Lu Gang's
  story. It is understandable that to recall the event and the dead
  colleagues and fellows is painful. Do you have other better ways
  to clean up the impressions that the readers already have?

* I, as one of the readers of Mr. Liu's article, would like to know
  stories from both sides, instead of one side.
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:40:43
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: 's message of Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 15:45:51 EST

    From: <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
    
    IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
    the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
    shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?

It is an open question whether IFCSS represents 50K Chinese students.
However, I am not sure what "registered voters" have to do with "Chinese
students", even less sure about how the two group mentioned in one breath
leads to "shameless".

I am pretty sure that George "the president" Bush did not vote for Bill "the
president-elect" Clinton.  Yet George congratulated Bill in style.  So, even
if 100% of the 50K Chinese student "voted" for George, I cannot see anything
wrong with their congratulating Bill.

That little logic we all need to learn.

That American tradition we all need to learn.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: ho@aslslc119.asl.dl.nec.com (C. L. Ho)
Subject: Re: Pause the Chinese character argument (T vs. S)
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:23:28 GMT

> i learned chinese character in taiwan, but i also can read simplified
>chinese character.  there are several friends from mainland told me that
>they have difficulty to read complex chinese character, is this the
>reason to against complex character system?
>
> who decide to use simplified character? born to learn that has to guard
>for that decision which made by the people's GOD, in fact, no argue needed,
>just use machine gun aim my head and force me to choose what you like, if
>i don't, pooon.....

You still go back to the beginning of the discussion by repeating same
questions. This may lead to a infinitive loop. Please refer the previous
articles which include all questions/answers/opinions.

Nobody force you to choose/accept simplified characters. In the mainland,
complex characters are still legally used (many netters noticed this).
If my 2 cents of info and explanation is no use for you, please forget it.
It is better for me to leave this topic behind.
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From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: Re: [week] when does a week start
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:44:14 GMT

In article <!dA=+C+@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>Possible reasons:
>
>(1) Sunday is subconsciously regard as the number '7' among many Chinese,
>    1 (Monday) is smaller than 7, so Monday is the beginning.
>
>(2) Monday is the beginning day for school and work (of which we don't very
>    appreciate anyway) while Sunday is the END of fun.
>
>(3) Chinese officals don't like the idea of Christanity.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But I thought the Bible says that God rested AFTER he created what-have-you
on the previous 6 days.  So the 7th day IS the rest day, which is the
Sunday.  The Chinese way is correct.  Well, actually the US is correct
in the sense that they make Sunday the rest day; and based upon the
foundation that the US was found, the Sunday IS the 7th day.  So, the
calendar makers in the US screwed up!

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.

PS  Whew!  The calendar of my appointment book starts on Monday and
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: The SCC Opium War
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:32:40 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


          Now that the first "Opium War" in the history of the scc has
          started, I must throw my bombs.  Learning from Mr. Lu Gang,
          my bombs are without targets, it is aimed at the general
          public :-).

          Because I like luan4 (mess).  So-called:

          Tian1 xia4 da4 luan4, tian1 xia4 da4 zhi4.

          Proposition 1.  Patriotism is a nutreul thing, just like the
          atomic bomb.

              So it makes no sense to discuss whether it is good or
          bad.

          Proposition 2.  It does make sense who uses partriotism and
          how it gets used.

              When used by Yue4 Fei1, it creats a hero.  When used by
          Qin2 Hui4 (Correct me Lix, and the "3 qin2" xue2 pai4), it
          kills a hero.  When used by Shannon Yeh, it created ugly
          chinese handwritings which I have suggested him to stop
          making but he failed to accept.

          Proposation 3.  The correct way to use patriotism is always
          use it toward your advantage, just like the way you use a
          huo2 ban1 zi3.

              So in the following situations, you should use it:

              1.  When you need to find a reason to support MFN;

              2.  When you need to find a reason not to support MFN;
              3.  When you don't want to go back to china;
              4.  When you want to go back to China;

          You see what I mean, "yun4 yong4 zhi1 miao4, cun2 hu1 yi4
          xin1."  When you apply my theory, pls ling2 huo2 zhang3 wo4.

          Tu Ya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Laura Cai)
Subject: Look for somebody in Shengzheng, GuangDong 
Summary: Read the E-mail
Keywords:   ??? 
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:30:20 GMT

Ms. Ming-zheng Cai:
      How are you doing?  Can you read this message in your office? I don't
know if there is network connected in your computers. If you have it, you can
drop a line to me from E-mail in stead of mailing a letter. 
      If somebody happen to know that person whom I am looking for,please pass
the messages to her___my sister, who work in the science developing centre,
Shengzheng. Thanks a lot.
  
    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: eleeaf9@rosie.uh.edu (92F10560)
Subject: Re: More news?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:38:00 GMT

In article <1dkr1tINNfut@uwm.edu>, hchen@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Xiang Chen) writes...
> 
>Is these any more detailed news about Asian Soccer Cup ?
> 
>Please post it, thank you in advance!
There was one posted in this net. But I suggest you don't look at that 
disappointing news.
How come Japanese improved so fast?
How come Chinese can never play it well ?
Oh,poor devoted soccer Chinese soccer fan !
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: E-mail to China
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:51:09 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:


>China is connected to internet via Carlsruhe Institute in Germany.
>However, one has to pay to send and RECEIVE e-mail in China (small by Western
>standdard but expensive for Chinese), therefore, except you know someone
>there and willing to pay the fee. The users there will generally not respond.
>E-mail a commond place in the affluent West is a previlege in China.

FidoNet is now available in parts of China.  Consult Samson 
Luk "gu_jc3@stu.ust.hk" for details.
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From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: GET OUT! Shannon Yeh.
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:38:44 GMT
Organization: UB

Opinion is one thing, the way to express one's opinion is quiet another.

BTW, someone asked me who were the US presidents who won electoral votes
but not the popular votes, they were 11th and 29th. 

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From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:45:26 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <1992Nov11.181430.23897@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl__@nwu.edu  writes:
>To me, Lu Gang is just a crazy killer. No excuse, period! If he had not killed  
>himself, he would deserve to sit in a gas chamber!
>
>Carl

Carl:

	I can see you are not in a good mood recently. I won't fight with
	you.

	I suggest you take a rest. You will feel better after a rest.

	Yongfei Yan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:44:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.042814.19074@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>
>Sorry I accidentally deleted the article written by a friend from McMaster 
>(LI Xiaowen?) who asked me to tell everybody how gorgeous the Fall of Ithaca 
>is.  First I would say the beauty is beyond description in any language and 
>I would like to recommend you to have a look for yourself when next Fall is 
>here (this Fall is escaping) since Ithaca is in Finger Lakes area which is 
>close to Canada. -- We'll welcome you to our countryside!  
>
>Finally, instead of telling you something else, I'd warn you that this is 
>also a good (maybe not ideal for painless...) place for suicide since lots 
>of gorges, creeks, waterfalls, and woodlands are all around Cornell's main 
>campus which sits on top of one of those rolling hills overlooking downtown 
>Ithaca and Cayuga Lake.  
>-- 

It's glad to know you guys at Cornell have somewhere to go if you end up
like Lu Gang. :-) Now, is this just your thought or did many people actually
committed suicide there?(any broken heart academics?)

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:48:24 GMT

In article <PWU.92Nov5191809@espresso.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>
>Mx Li Xiao-lin, you sounded as if you have no right to vote.  May I ask you a
>personal question: how old are you?  If you are over 18, I think you have the
>right to vote as well as to be elected under all the commonsensical assumptions.
>

I am over 18, but I have never voted in my entire life for any one to 
government office,  neither in China, nor here. In China, we didn't have it. 
In here, I am not a citizen, plain and simple.

I asked you guys to tell me your voting experience. It sounds wonderful
to me. If your story is true, I will proudly tell others that I too,
have voting right, at least if I go back to China.

We humble people can do nothing, but to tell the truth. But I only
tell truth, no more and no less. If you believe you have truth, don't
feel insulted. Simply tell your story.
From: mece2az@rosie.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <6NOV199222144701@rosie.uh.edu>, math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes...
>In article <PWU.92Nov6135704@espresso.ai.mit.edu>, pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes...
>>    From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
>>    
>>    In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>    >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>>    >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>>    >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
>>    
>>    IFCSS keeps abusing the number 50K.
>>    I would say 50K-1, not me.
>>    I am sure that I am not the first one says 50K-1.
>> 
>>50K-1=50K
>> 
>I am also sure that when you see Chinese goverment's cogratulation letter,
>which officially is on behalf of 1.2 billion Chinese,you would say 1.2b-1
>not me.
>What IFCSS did to you that make you hate her so much?
>I wish I could regard you as our 50k CSS's new leader,cause 50k peole is 
>badly in need of a leader,especially the one that can meet each one of us'
>need.

 Very good point. It does nobody's good to just sit back and curse IFCSS. On
 the other hand, IFCSS's congratulation to BC did at least some people good.
 Another aspect of the issure, though only 43% voters voted for BC, most of
 American people would wish BC well in his administration since that is also
 where their interests are. That is called team work we Chinese need to learn
 more about.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Two Poems: To Lu Gang
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:12:29 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Keywords: To the helpless and the mighty


In article <1d9ambINN875@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, xh@stereo.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu) writes:
|> 			To Lu Gang
|> 
|> 			Xiaoping Hu
|> 
|> 	1.	To the Helpless
|> 
|> 
|> 	When everything seems gloomy to you,
|> 	When everyone looks ananimous to you,
|> 	When everywhere appears the end of world to you,
|> 	Look for a star!
|> 
|> 	When the whole world does injustice to you,
|> 	When the entire society is unfair to you,
|> 	When all the shame and suffering fall on you,
|> 	Let the sorrow pump you up!
|> 
|> 	When you missed your only chance,
|> 	When you lost your last hope,
|> 	When you find every road is blocked,
|> 	Back up and that's your new start!
|> 
|> 	When you find nowhere to appeal,
|> 	When you have nobody to entrust,
|> 	When you feel lonely and helpless,
|> 	Let me sooth your heart!
|> 
|> 
|> 	2. 	To the Mighty
|> 
|> 	When someone grieves to you,
|> 	When someone suspects on you,
|> 	When someone angers and damns at you,
|> 	Think on his behalf!
|> 
|> 	When you have all the power,
|> 	When you possess all the advantage,
|> 	When you have victory secured in hand,
|> 	Just don't be too smart!

Why didn't you make some peoms for those victims?

Lin Can
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From: hchen@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Xiang Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:43:03 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hchen@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From: hchen@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Xiang Chen)
Newsgroups: .article
Subject: test
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Keywords: 

This is a test. 

Thank you!
From: zhang-zhaohui@cs.yale.edu (Zhaohui Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where? LATEX wanted
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:56:05 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: giraffe.zoo.cs.yale.edu

Do `archie -s latex' in your shell and you can find all the ftp adress which
provides LATEX. There is also a latex at yale(/usr/local/bin/latex,cs.yale.edu), not sure about if it is available in ftp.

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