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From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: SEXY PSYCHIC PLANTS
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:24:01 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

          

                               SEXY PSYCHIC PLANTS

          A humorous quote from "THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS", [See 
          Footnote.], by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, 1973, 
          page 38: 
          
          ....."As Sauvin's main problem remained that of getting his 
          plants to be sharply attuned to his person rather than to 
          their immediate environment, when he was away for several 
          days, he had to devise some means of attracting his plants' 
          attention even more effectively than addressing them over the 
          long-distance phone.  As his plants reacted most strongly to 
          any damage done to himself or to any part of his own energy 
          field, he experimented with remotely killing a few cells of 
          his body in the presence of the plants.  The system worked 
          admirably.  The problem was to obtain cells that would remain 
          alive for protracted periods.  Blood worked well enough, hair 
          was difficult to kill, but sperm worked best of all, because, 
          as Sauvin explained, it was easier to obtain than bleeding, 
          and much less painful. 

               "These experiments led Sauvin to wonder if plants might 
          not react just as well to emotions of pleasure and joy as to 
          pain and shock.  Not only was he tired of shocking himself, 
          he was afraid that repeated shocks to his plants, even 
          indirect ones, might be UNPLEASANTLY LOADING HIS KARMA.  
          
          [DITTO for vivisections, animal experiments, etc..]
          
          Sauvin soon found that his plants did react to joy and 
          pleasure, but with wave patterns that were not sharp enough 
          to trigger a switch reliably.  Undaunted, Sauvin decided on a 
          more daring experiment.  DURING A HOLIDAY WITH A GIRL FRIEND 
          AT HIS LAKESIDE COTTAGE HE ESTABLISHED THAT HIS PLANTS, 
          EIGHTY MILES AWAY, WOULD REACT WITH VERY HIGH PEAKS ON THE 
          TONE OSCILLATOR TO THE ACUTE PLEASURE OF [his] SEXUAL CLIMAX, 
          GOING RIGHT OFF THE TOP AT THE MOMENT OF ORGASM.  All of 
          which was very interesting and could be turned into a 
          COMMERCIALLY MARKETABLE DEVICE FOR JEALOUS WIVES TO MONITOR 
          THEIR PHILANDERING HUSBANDS, BY MEANS OF A POTTED 
          BEGONIA.".... 
          
          (EMPHASIS, and comment, added.)
          
          
          Footnote: Chapter 17 is about BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS.
                    Chapters 19 and 20 are about RADIONICS/PSIONICS.
                    Entire book is FASCINATING!



               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
          INTERESTING Quote, WITH my comments, is ENCOURAGED.


                                    Robert E. McElwaine     
                                    B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Excerpt from Babaji - The Divine Himalayan Yogi
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:08:41 GMT

In <Nov.5.09.32.09.1992.8142@ruhets.rutgers.edu> farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu
	(Lorenzo Farris) writes:

> This was regarding the post on Babaji...  I think if
> someone wants to read about such things it would be more appropriate
> to go read soc.religion.eastern, or talk.religion.newage...

> It appears to me that the purpose of this group is the discussion of
> experiences and techniques of oob experiences. The post you refer to,
> on the other hand, was more of a religious commercial...

> I like the idea of having a focused newsgroup that doesn't run off to
> far distant tangents...

I agree completely, but I feel that rather than discussing the question 
of relevance, which just adds to the overall clutter, it might be better
for those of us who feel strongly about this issue to send mail to each
poster of what we consider to be an off-topic article, stating our feeling
"gently but firmly."

I am very interested in knowing what Eastern traditions have to say about
out-of-body experiences, but, like Lorenzo, I do not feel it is appropriate
to just post religious tracts in this newsgroup which have no direct bearing
on OBE subjects.

Gary
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
From: SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: FAQ volunteers needed (was Re: Have you read this book?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:42:32 GMT
 <F2ZPTB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> <1992Nov5.053637.13798@gnosys.svle.ma.us>
Organization: Penn State University

Hi pple, I would like to help with the FAQ.  I have the time and the
interest, and really wish that this newsgroup would establish itself on a
solid basis.  well, but there is a serious problem here, I have no clue as
to what I am supposed to be doing.  so any help/advice u might be having
please  send it to me by e-mail.

thankx.

Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: acs.ucalgary.ca!bishop (Lionel Richard Clark)
Subject: Alt. Hypnosis
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:12:05 GMT

Original-Sender: acs.ucalgary.ca!bishop (Lionel Richard Clark)

   Just a quick note.  A new newsgroup has formed, alt.hypnosis, and
in the first 4 posts there, I just read a crosspost.  It deals with
Hypnosis, but also with OOBEs.  If you are interested in some more
experiences, jump over there and read it...

  (Of course, if gst were to moveit over from there to here [OOBE]) it
would make our lives very easy...)  PLEASE!  Only the moderator move it
over... if everyone does it and he finds out it was me who reported its
existance on alt.hyp I MAY JUST become a reader-only participant.. ("Gee,
Bishop, none of your posts are making it to my mailing address.. are you
sure you are sending them correctly?")

  It's an interesting story, and if it proved to be true, it could be another
little push in favor of OOBE-not-dreams...

 - Bishop, the temporarily corporeal being.
From: Tarzan
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Have you read this book?
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:15:22 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <F2ZPTB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
writes:
>garyk@garyk.mentorg.com (Gary Kaminski) writes:
>
>> Odysseys of Light -- Adventures in Out-of-Body Travel  by
>> Marilynn Hughes  (Hampton Roads Publishing Company, Inc.)
>Thank you for posting this review, Gary.
>
>This is one for the FAQ on references to accounts of experience.
>
>--                    
>INTERNET:  jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
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>NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115
>

Got it.                  Tarzan
From: hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Silver cord
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:23:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.out-of-body
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <9211050556.AA60126@acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
acs.ucalgary.ca!bishop (Lionel Richard Clark) wrote:
> 
> Original-Sender: acs.ucalgary.ca!bishop (Lionel Richard Clark)
> 
> Quoting from _Beyond_The_Body_, Susan J Blackmore (pg 3!)
> 
... deletions ...

>         What M(r)s Blackmore is telling us is profound.  

.. more deletions ...

Susan Blackmore is also one of the more outspoken proponents of the view
that 
oobe's result from events in brain physiology, i.e. aberrations in the
functioning of the visual cortex and in memory. Despite her own oobe, she 
has written a number of papers against the "parapsychological" view, i.e.,
against the view that "something" leaves the body. Not being that
knowledgeable about brain physiology I can't really evaluate her arguments.
There are a number of medically-trained near-death-experience researchers
who still hold that "something" leaves the body and, in the case of
near-death-experiences, has an existence independent of the physical body.

Anyone care to comment?

- Lorin Hawley
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: math.concord.wvnet.edu!jonescl (CASEY JONES)
Subject: How can I get out o' my body?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:15:40 GMT

Original-Sender: math.concord.wvnet.edu!jonescl (CASEY JONES)

Can any one tell me how to get out o' my body?  I would like to try it.  I
heard that there was a special breathing techniques.  I am a hypnotist and I
am also wandering if I can get someone else to leave their body while under
hypnosis.  I also need to know some techniques for meditation.

Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: leon5194@mach1.wlu.ca (leonard steven)
Subject: Who can help?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:01:41 GMT

Howdy everyone!  Okay, I've been reading this newsgroup for nearly 2 months
but I still can't piece together the essence of an OOBE.
I went to my university library in search of a book by Robert A. Munroe (of
whom so much has been said) and unfortunately was unsuccessful.

Could you please E-mail me some books or magazines which will help me get a
good understanding of OOBE, and will set me straight.
I am intrigued by the power of the mind, and the mysteries(?) of the astral
plane.  I would prefer E-mail, but posting this information may help some of
the other people that are asking the same question as me.

My address is: LEON5194@mach1.wlu.ca

Thank you for your anticipated consideration.
Steve (Wilfrid Laurier University, Canada)
From: Dr.Death@kip-sn-73.dartmouth.edu (Dr. Death)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: How To?
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:52:23 GMT
Organization: X-had-King-Killed
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A728584FB0015049@kip-sn-73.dartmouth.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:51:59 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11


  Most of the books I've seen are oriented to women. Does this mean that
OBE's are sex related? Are they only for women?

No sig yet----
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: garyk@garyk.mentorg.com (Gary Kaminski)
Subject: Re: OOBE or just vivid imagination
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 19:18:18 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Nov8.073403.4318@gnosys.svle.ma.us>, gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
|> 
|> What do others feel on this subject - or is this debate going to just be
|> between myself and Robert?
|> 
I hope only the two of you debate this point; meaning,I hope we do not use
too much bandwidth on it.  For me, the out-of-body experience
represents a tool to be used for spiritual advancement, not a science project.
If people need to prove and disprove things, then so be it.  If you want to bring
psychology into it, that's fine too.  I can skip over that stuff.  I only hope 
that kind of discussion does not dominate the group.

I am interested in what others have experienced in the OOB realm and how they
accomplished it.  If anyone has gained valuable insite into this 3-D reality by
relating it to another, I hope they share it here.  I am also interested in the
other realms experienced by the OOB traveler.

To redirect the topic, how about something like this:  

I was reading a book on UFO abductions and a lady abductee had the ability to 
leave her body.  She did so during an abduction and her captors said something 
like, "You are not supposed to do that, get back in here".  This implied that 
the alien could percieve someone leaving the body.

In another book I read (sorry I can't remember which one), an out-of-body traveler
found himself on a space ship of sorts.  An alien aboard the craft told the traveler
that he should not be here and must leave immediately.  Again, these people 
(creatures?) perceived someone OOB.

See how wide we can take this topic.  :-)  Have a good day.
garyk
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: acs.ucalgary.ca!bishop (Lionel Richard Clark)
Subject: Silver cord
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:56:10 GMT

Original-Sender: acs.ucalgary.ca!bishop (Lionel Richard Clark)

Quoting from _Beyond_The_Body_, Susan J Blackmore (pg 3!)

        "Again, as I formulated answers, the muth below spoke.  It
seemed quite capable of saying what I wanted said, and I soon let it
be and concentrated on the experience.  From the ceiling I could
apparently see the room quite clearly.  I saw the desk, chairs,
wondow, my friends, and myself all from above.  Then I saw a string
or cord, silvery, faintly glowing and moving gently, running between
the neck of my body below and the navel, or therebouts, of a
duplicate body above.  I thought it would be fun to try to move it.
I reached out my hand and immediately learned my first lesson.  I
needed no hand to move the cord, thinking it moved was sufficient.
Also I could have two hands, any number of hands, or no hands at all,
as I chose.  And so I learned a little of how to act in this
thought-responsive world.  Much later I learned that I needed neither
cord nor duplicate body, and when I realized this they evaporated."

        What M(r)s Blackmore is telling us is profound.  Actually,
her claim of not needing any silver cord is also supported by a
similar claim from _FLight_of_Mind_, a book that Anglela used in her
series of essays.  It seems that unless you desire it, you do not
NEED a silver cord, but it probably is a handy little direction
finder if you get lost 8).

        Also, what we learn here is that the astral body is not
necessary either, and that a link can be formed and used to
manipulate the shell below.   My task, if any Active OOBErs want to
try it, is to:

1)      Go OOBE.
2)      See if YOU yourself can move or influence the mundane body.
	Like talking, moving, anything.

        Is it possible for astral forms to manipulate corporeal
objects?  One poster mentioned some sort of telepathy with the
corporeal, but that was about all I have seen...

Srcs: Beyond the Body , By Susan Blackmore, G Britain 1982, ISBN 0 586 08428 2
      Flight of Mind, H J Irwin, London, 1985,              ISBN 0 8108 1737 3


  Something to ponder...

 - Bishop the temporarily grounded... (see above for address)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Out of Body, but In Control?
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:57:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.out-of-body
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov8.045752.14432@spdcc.com>, gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
> 
> This story is very reminiscent of what I read about Edgar Cayce some time ago,
> who was apparently able to journey immense distances for the purposes of in-
> specting the medical problems of people whose photographs he was sent from
> all over the world.  The book I read was by Jess Stearn, called _Edgar Cayce,
> the Sleeping Prophet_, I think it was.  There is also a series of books by
> sociology professor Kyriacos Markides (University of Maine) about a healer
> in his native land of Cyprus, who they call "Daskalos" ("teacher" in Greek)
> who reportedly uses out-of-body travel in his own healing methods.
> 

Some time back I took a course in the Silva method, an eclectic set of
techniques for using your mind. One of the things we learned was in
fact what you mention here about Cayce. I was able to do this myself
on a number of occasions. However, instead of imagining we traveled to
the sick person, we brought them into our own mental 'lab'. One friend
remarked, after I had described to him in detail the physical
condition of his fiancee, whom I had never met, and who had a few
medical conditions that had long since been cleared up, so that he
never mentioned them, that had I been born 400 years ago I would have
been burned at the stake. 
I repeated this game enough times, and with enough different people,
that I am convinced that things like subconsciously remembering things
I was told in the past could be ruled out. Needless to say, I weirded
a few people out in this period.
If you want to read some of the original source material, just find
some of Jose Silva's books.
The Silva people describe it as projection of consciousness. My
experience of it was qualitatively different from how I hear OBE's
described, but I guess they are certainly related.
I have left off doing this stuff for a number of years, for personal
reasons, but this is indeed an effective set of techniques, and I
think someone interested in having OBE's should certainly explore this
avenue. 
		-Lorenzo

(By the way, before I am accused of being an advertisement: the
course, in 1985, cost $400 for 32 hours. I succeeded in using these
wonderful techniques to dig myself into a wonderful psychological
hole. As with anything else, good sense should be liberally sprinkled
over this. ;)

P.S. My apologies to readers in alt.hypnosis, who wont get this. My
newsreader doesn't believe the group exists. :(
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
					******************************
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: acs.ucalgary.ca!bishop (Lionel Richard Clark)
Subject: Tarzan, a lack of clues?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:42:36 GMT

Original-Sender: acs.ucalgary.ca!bishop (Lionel Richard Clark)

>I get a lot out of reading personal responses to questions posted
>in the group. All Eyes Can See!  I have no need to be re-butted
>personally through E-mail. Nor do I wish it.  And as to the pre-
>previous post;  the person wanted to know if they were getting
>through to anybody.  I replied.  Gary, gary, gary.

  Dear Tarzan,

  I do not know where you decided that you are more important than
the rest of us, but I wish you would tell us.  "All Eyes can see",
sure, fine, but All eyes don't WANT to see.  Furthermore, we don't
wish to pay for it.  Now, I am sure you have some finw things to say,
but if you continue to CLOG UP GARY's NEWSGROUP with YOUR OWN PRIVATE
MAIL then I can see our respect for you as a person diminishing
rapidly.

  What do you fear, that you will not reveal your email address?
That we will know who you are (O my, I think i may faint) ?  You fear
flames?  What do you think this waste of bandwidth is going to cause,
if not flames.  Your own wishes be DAMNED, please borrow a clue and
understand that you are but one of many on this group, no better than
the rest of us.

  This newsgroup should become fully moderated, and allow NO public
posting, same as Rec.Humor.Funny.  If that happens, dear Tarzan,
where would you be?

  You are sentenced to be exposed before your peers.

  TEAR DOWN THE WALL!!   TEAR DOWN THE WALL!!   TEAR DOWN THE WALL!!

 - Bishop P Juris, Magistrate
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans)
Subject: Re: Does this happen to you?
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:29:17 GMT

urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:

>In alt.out-of-body, article <xbf1z4#@rpi.edu>,
>  kaminl@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:
>> 
>> When I'm watching TV with no lights on in the room, I sometimes start
>> staring at the image, and get sort of entranced by it. This only happens
>> when the picture on the set is a frontal closeup of someone's face. Anyway,
>> as I stare, it seems like I'm zooming in towards the face so that it takes
>> up my field of vision. I guess the best way to describe it is by the term
>> "tunnel vision". Anyway, I get this strange feeling of disassociation from
>> my body and thoughts when it happens. It's sort of relaxing, on the
>> whole.
>> 
>That also happens to me, except it's zooming out when I have been staring
>at the computer's screen for too long.  :-/

That also happens to me sometimes, although it was quite a long time ago now,
perhaps because I don't watch very much TV. I guess it can have something to
do with OOBE:s, so I think I'll experiment a bit with it.

Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: FAQ volunteers needed (was Re: Have you read this book?)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:36:37 GMT

In <F2ZPTB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery) writes:

> ...
> This is one for the FAQ on references to accounts of experience.

Speaking of which, I've gotten a couple of personal notes from folks who
seem interested in volunteering to keep track of the questions and books
and other resources we want to include in the FAQ list, but since Jude
resigned the responsibility recently, no one has come forth publicly to
do so.

I suggest that whoever is willing to be responsible for handling this task
announce that fact by means of an article, so we know to whom to send things,
rather than posting each new question here.  I suggest that the volunteer
might want to periodically post a list of questions so that we can review
them as a group and maybe revise them a bit.  Perhaps a different person can
handle keeping track of books, magazines, organizations, and other resources,
just so that one person doesn't have all the responsibility.

Thanks.

Gary
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: possible OOBE again...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.out-of-body
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:03:04 GMT


Hi all,
I was the one that mentioned early last month that I thought I had had
the beginning of an OOBE but was only able to lift my head. 
Well, this past weekend I was asleep and I think I dreamed this, but I
seemed to be aware, so I suppose it was a lucid dream, but might have
possibly been an OOBE. I remember being aware of sleeping and thinking
about OOBE-ing and suddenly I rose straight up into what seemed like
space and there were lots of colors above me and I could see them
though I was facing down. (I was also sleeping facing down). It was
like the stars were all different colors (sort of) and I could here 
sounds....sounds sort of like popping and I think groaning (like metal
groaning under stress) and it seemed as tho I was in a sci/fi movie. I
don't remember now, but I think I saw a spaceship above me (that part
is why I think it was a dream ;) and then suddenly I was flying over
water at night (like many of you have described). I was going really
fast and then it ended and the "dream" was over, but I didn't wake up,
I just fell asleep again..if that makes sense. 
More than anything, I believe this was a dream induced by all the
thoughts I have had about OOBE's in reading this group. It is on my
mind obviously, and transferred to my subconcious. It just felt like
more than a dream because of the sounds and how clear it was. Most of
my dreams are "fuzzy" and more like stream of consciousness.

Anyway...that is what happened.

btw...yes, Tarzan, I am interested in helping with the FAQ...what is
your e-mail address? (if you have one)

Susannah
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