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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Shroom and Waffle, mutual coexistence IS possible!
From: bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca (Brad Crockett)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:40:20 PST
Organization: Private system in Duncan, BC, Canada

magus@brewhau.bison.mb.ca (James Copland) writes:

> is solved! Yes!  What I have done is to eliminate the "~" parameter 
> to the "-t" option.  The "~" tells shroom to write waffle out to disk 
> any time command.com is executed or a file is exec()'ed.  My RUN.BAT 
> file now contains:
> 
> SHROOM -q -sf:\ -tword.exe,edit.com WAFFLE %1

I don't understand what you mean by the use of the tilde (~).
What did your run.bat file look like to begin with?

> I have been getting mail from users wanting a better editor than
> waffles internal editor and I am thinking of getting them a shareware
> one.  I would like some advice from the net as to which editor to go
> with and some idea of the "feel" of the various editors.  Security is
> a concern for me, so shelling from the editor is out.  It must, due to
> waffle, run in 335.5K (according to mem /c).  If it is easy to set up,
> all the better.

I've been looking for the same thing.  BBStevie was recommended,
but I have not been able to get it to work remotely.  It's not
supposed to use direct screen writes, and supposedly has the
security you're looking for.

Brad Crockett, Duncan, British Columbia, Canada
INTERNET: bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca
     CIS: 72570.2154@compuserv.com
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: problems with shroom v1.8
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:16:10 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


I'm having problems getting shroom to return waffle's exit code
to RUN.BAT - it always returns 0, which makes it difficult ( To say the
least!) to poll & stuff.

Are there any undocumented switches for this program?


--
Alan Brown. (SysAdmin)
dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz                      Palmerston North
Dawghaus BBS -> +64 (6) 357-9245                New Zealand
       "A wet and windy place at the bottom of the World"
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:06:39 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (and the eyes in his head see the World spinning roun writes:

> In article <yogNVB19w165w@iowegia.uucp> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) wr
> 
> >In the time being, what is wrong with using RNEWS format batches for
> >off-line reading of Usenet news and mail? It is by definition compatible
> >with any system platform which handles news. All that is lacking is an
> >existing off-line reader software base, because the application of such
> >a reader is relatively new.
> 
> By definition, that's not off-line reading.  If you're sending rnews
> batches and mail, you have to set up a complete usenet site, along
> with mail addressing, polling, and what not.  Off-line reading
> releives the user of the burden of setting all this up, because it
> simply scarfs stuff up from an already-existing host system, with mail
> addressing, news queueing and storage, and Stuff.

It's not, huh? Even under Wafmail, a user can select RNEWS format
articles, and then try to read the thing off-line using something
like READMAIL.

--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Shroom and Waffle, mutual coexistence IS possible!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 19:44:59 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:

-> magus@brewhau.bison.mb.ca (James Copland) writes:
-> 
-> > I have been getting mail from users wanting a better editor than
-> > waffles internal editor and I am thinking of getting them a shareware
-> > one.  

-> 
-> Ages ago, I obtained a shareware editor designed for this purpose.  I
-> was surprised that I still have it on disk!  I tried it when RBBS still

->                                Remote Text Editor
->                                        by
->                                  Richard Smith
-> 

Sounds good.  I'd love to check it out.

Do you have a mail server or the ability to put it up on simtel or
Halcyon?



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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: How to increase speed of communications in OS/2 2.0
Keywords: os2 waffle 165
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:34:25 GMT

In article <sk6DVB3w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>Yesterday I converted to OS/2 2.0 and for the most part I'm duly 
>impressed with it.
>However, the CPS transfer times for Waffle have fallen *dramatically* -- 
>about 1/2 of the way it was under DOS!  This is even with Waffle running 
>in the foreground as the only application.
>I have disabled idle detection for this application, and have tried this 
>with and without the X00 Fossil program (better results under Fossil, but 
>not much) to no avail.  This is going to get expensive for me because I 
>get my mail and majority of my news via long distance!

There seems to be now an alternative COM driver, if you care to give
it a try.  The filename is SIO000.ZIP, and the file is available via
anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, directory /pub/uploads.  I
haven't tried it, but it claims to provide better communications
performance.

I can also suggest some better settings, but let's see if you like
this alternative driver first.

-- 
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: basil@osric.cs.odu.edu (Keith Basil)
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:25:25 GMT

Re graphic interface standards:

>  From:  pbratton@lssec.bt.co.uk (Paul Bratton)

>With the push toward wide-spread use of a standard, one of the leading
>contenders is NAPLPS (North American Presentation Level Protocol
>Syntax).  The graphics are generated from the interpretation of
>plane-text definitions which describes geometric shapes, colors, fonts
>sizes, text, special character sets, and bit-mapped graphics.  Similar
>to postscript, it's device independent so it can be viewed on any
>computer system.  It's long been established and documented by the
>standards institute (ANSI-X2.110-1983 and CSA-T500-1983 (Canadian)).

>Since BBSes can readily transmit text, they can toggle back and forth
>between their text/ANSI mode and NAPLPS graphics by just transmitting
>a control sequence to switch modes.  According to December's
>Boardwatch Magazine, one of the most promising developments is a
>package for TBBS by Harris Technology Associates.  They have put
>together a package containing System Definition Language constructs
>and the terminal program which allows TBBS operators to implement
>NAPLPS in less than a day ($169, Harris Technology Associates, BBS:
>(508)877-7233 with demo area).

	This was grabbed from a mailing list that I'm on.. From the
  above, it appears that the standards are there.  It'd be nice if Waffle
  was the first *cheap* BBS system to implement a standard such as NAPLPS.
From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: rejected??????
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:55:18 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

root@cibbs.UUCP writes:

> 
> jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:
> 
> > fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
> > 
> > > |Also... what is "splash" after login?
> > > 
> > > If this flag is set, the file from /waffle/text with the same name as the
> > > logging in will be displayed after the person enters their password.
> > 
> >      New idea?  Why not use that for newusers.  Copy "splash.txt" to the
> > user's name ala newuser.bat.  In order for the new user to *get rid*
> > of the "annoying" splash file, he has to read to the end in order to
> > find the extern command to delete his splash file.
> 
> Great idea...except a new user or regular user has no access to /waffle/text.
> ..to remove that file...only a sysop can do this.

One could write an extern file that makes use of the user
variable and set access to zero or one.  Then the newuser could
delete his "splash" file when he became "wise" enough just by
calling up this extern file.  Call it NONEWBIE...

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Ansi & Waffle
Keywords: ansi waffle
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:41:45 GMT

dwrage@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (David William Wrage) writes:

>Is it possible to display ansi menus in Waffle?  I have no problem 
>with having two seperate sets of menus that can be copied over each
>other on a user-per-user basis, but so far each of my attempts to have
>Waffle display the menu fails and returns me all the ansi sequences
>in text mode.  Please note that I have tried the video: ANSI (or BIOS)
>and it did not help.  The menus display fine from dos or from a viewer
>I have, but waffle seems to be reading the menu file, analyzing it, then
>spitting out this 'digested' text.  Is there a way to force Waffle to 
>display an ansi file when requested to do so, without the 'digestion'
>process?

What you can do is play with MENUS, WORDS, TEXTS, etc. directory.
At one time I got nifty ANSI menus, etc.
All I had to do was typed ANSIMENU (that was my extern file names).
Unfortunately they were lost when I upgraded from 1.64 -> 1.65.
(No flame please).  My point is ... it's do able.


Have fun...
-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
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From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Keywords: waffle, qwk, mail, offline
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:57:56 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (and the eyes in his head see the World spinning roun writes:

> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
> 
> >From what I've heard of offline readers, they sound pretty nice.
> >However I don't think there's any substitute for using your favorite
> >editor to send messages.  If you're used to using WordPerfect, it's
> >unlikely that even the slickest editor is going to satisfy you.  You're
> >not going to have a thesaurus, your spell-checker, your macros, etc. in
> >an offline-reader.
> 
> This is fine and well, but consider two things:
> 
> 1) Most of the various off-line readers I've seen allow you to use
> your favorite editor (although many of them include an editor that
> fits well with the off-line reader).

Off-line readers have evolved very quickly.  Many of them allow
incredible configuration and flexibility.  Using your favourite editor
is common-place.  

> 2) One good point of an off-line reader, at least for the user, is
> having a user interface for reading and posting as good as or better
> than can be found on the host system.  Your scripts don't address
> that.

An new product (for DOS) soon to be released is Robomail.  It combines
the features of an offline reader with a full communications package.
The comm s/w is already available as a separate product, Robocomm.
User's can develop scripts for virtually any host interface, and the
software has a beautiful "management system" that allows you to control
and re-configure things with ease.  Robocomm has one of the best
thought-out human interfaces I've ever seen.  I have confidence that
Robomail will be atleast equal in quality.


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: Posting
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:11:40 GMT

pces1182@altair.selu.edu writes:

>We are having a problem getting waffle to send mail/posts from remote callers. 

>It works fine when I am in local mode, but remote users can't do anything. When
>they type the '/s' it says "spawn: execution failed: check extern files".

>Any thoughts?

not until you include your extern files it's telling you to include with
a description of the system...

-- 
     ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
"USENET is not an obsession. It's just something I have to do all the time."
					quote from Jan'93 Unix World article
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From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:14:03 GMT
Reply-To: djk@boombox.apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

In <Bz7p3C.Iry@cs.psu.edu> fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
>In article <N-9KrAEPBh107h@boombox.apana.org.au> djk@boombox.apana.org.au writes:
>|In <Byw7M3.IxJ@cs.psu.edu> fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
>|>There is no way to register yourself as an Internet->UUCP gateway
>|
>|Wouldn't:
>|	*.UUCP.  IN MX 500 my.host.domain.
>|in the DNS do this?

>No; you shouldn't put top-level records in your own name server.

I never said you'd put it in your nameserver, you get it put into the
DNS (officially).  Ie: that line would just appear as is (subsitute
my.host.domain for whatever deluded host thinks it wants to be an
InterNet->.UUCP gateway) in the root zone file at nic.ddn.mil.

Of course, if there is more than one deluded site which thinks it
wants to be advertised as Internet->.UUCP gateway, just add a few more
lines, as long as they all agree on the pref so that MX-based mailers
will share the load between them.

>if they did get picked up by the root name servers, do you really want *every*
>piece of mail from the Internet to the .UUCP pseudo-domain going through your
>machine?

Hey, I never said you'd want to -- the question was, "can you do it?"

If we assume that there are n (0<n<10) sites that are prepared to accept
all mail from Internet to .UUCP which is not otherwise handled (a BIG
assumption, I know) this could, technically, be done.  Can we agree
that it is theoretically possible to advertise inet->.uucp in the DNS?

I guess a technical reason why it would be a bad idea is that there are
probably some Internet sites out there whose mailers are misconfigured
enough to check MXes before handling local uucp traffic (not that they
should be asking the DNS to resolve a *.UUCP name in the first place!).

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: PATH-line, want no bangpath.
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:18:42 GMT

In article <96uLVB6w165w@xocolatl.com> eoin@xocolatl.com writes:
|mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:
|> How can I make the pathline OK ? (this implies using domain addresses instead
|> of bangpaths).
|
|RTM
|file:  STATIC.DOC
|keywords:  MAIL, NEWS, NETMAIL, NETNEWS, UUCPFROM

Actually, I thought the original poster wanted to put his FQDN in his Path:
line, in which case you'd have to go find an obscure line in history.doc:

optional 'newsname' for setting Path: name if different from 'uucpname'

  Bill
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From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 03:05:26 EST
Organization: Lost In Space

les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

> In article <lgXLrA1BBh107h@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us> tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeB
> 
> >The only real domain left is .<MyCountry> (.US), which is based on a
> >geographic hierarchy.  If I move out of South BrunsWicK, NJ, I have 
> >to register a new domain name.  Yes, it's free and easy, but I'd rather
> >not have to do it more than once.  And I'm fortunate in that my account
> >with UUNET means not having to find another forwarder.
> 
> Ummm, if you have a uunet account they will help you register your
> own domain name under .com or .org at no charge.  If you call them
> to pick up mail, it doesn't matter where you are anyway.

I know that.  I didn't do it because I didn't think my site qualified for
either .com (not a company) or .org (not an organization or domain park).

> >What would be wrong with a .PRI domain for unaffiliated, private sites?
> >Everyone has at least an MX record in the DNS, it doesn't imply a specific
> >transfer protocol like .UUCP, and there is no geographic hierarchy so a
> >site can be physically moved without having to re-register its domain name.
> 
> Makes sense to me, but the difference between .PRI, .COM, and .ORG seems
> pretty arbitrary.  Does everyone need to know if you are unorganized?

I was under the impression that .com, .org, .edu, etc. were all mutually
exclusive; companies in .com, domain parks in .org, universities in .edu,
and so forth.  The "none of the above" sites all get thrown into .us, or
register in one of the others anyway.  A .pri domain would be conceptually
similar to the others, except that it would be for unaffiliated sites that
don't want to be in a geographic domain hierarchy.

--
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                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

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From: foster@nzkites.UUCP (Foster Schucker)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:12:15 GMT
Organization: Kiteflyers Roost

mzellers@StarConn.com (Mark Zellers) writes:

> In article <B13HVB2w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> >mzellers@StarConn.com (Mark Zellers) writes:
> >
> >> One small feature request:  I would like to see the mail reader be able
> >> to deal with multiple messages at a time.  For example, if I send away
> >> to an FTP mail server, I will get a file back in multiple mail messages.

I also do this.  Very seldom do they arrive in order.

> >
> >Say "write filename" after reading each message.  The first write operation
> >creates the file, the subsequent writes append to the file.
> 

This works great for me.  Most time I do write foo#.uue, where # is the part
of the message.

> Perhaps I did not make myself clear:  I know how to write one message to a 
> file and that writing subsequent messages to a file appends them.  What I 
> was asking for was a **** SINGLE **** command that would append multiple
> messages to a file in one operation.  Unix mail and Matt Dillon's DMAIL
> on the Amiga do this and I find it very useful.

It was clear to me what you wanted.  It was also clear to me that it would
be useless in most cases since the messages from a server often do not
arrive in sent order.  A better command would be:
   write 4,5,2,8,7,6 foo.uue 
which would also be much harder to implement.

The other thing is that I deal with mailers that don't put the Part XX/YY 
in the subject, so I need to read the mail anyway to see the internal 
header. 



Foster Schucker  (foster@nzkites.uucp)  (1-215-458-8354 (voice))
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Better news processor for waffle?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 00:53:21 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries) writes:

-> I would like to know if there are tools for waffle that have better
-> news and mail processing than waffle. Waffle seems a bit primitive.
-> A nice UIF (mouse?) would be preferable.

Hmm, good question.

Not answered in the FAQ or in ~/docs/third.doc.

Does the syrup file have a listing of add-on readers?

Off the top of my head though, I can only think of one that is mouse
aware.  HELL DIVER, but it is a windows program..

It is available on Halcyon.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vds7789@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Vincent D. Skahan)
Subject: Re: linux .98
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:48:51 GMT

system@korova.freeside.com (razorback) writes:


>does anyone know if the un*x flavour of waffle is compatable with linux 
>.98??

some of us do :-)
yes, it runs just fine under Linux...

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                        (hairline impaired)
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Another Waffle bug?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:24:10 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:

> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> 
> > I've got most of my Waffle stuff on my c: drive, and my news spool and
> > user directories on my d: drive.  So, I'm logged in, and the current
> > working directory is c:/waffle/admin.  I execute "dir d:/maps" and the
> > current working directory is changed to d:/maps.  Is that proper behaviour?
> > I'd suggest not.
> 
> I have the same setup, Waffle on c:, news spool and user directories
> on d:. I did this command sequence :
> 
> home
> dir d:\spool
> dir
> 
> The final 'dir' listed the contents of my user directory.

Yes, that works.  Now try this:

home
dir c:\waffle
dir

I'll warrant you're not in Kansas (or your user directory), anymore!

> 
> --
> Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp


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emory!uumind!willard!dawson
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From: lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:25:03 GMT
Organization: The Full Circle BBS, Raleigh NC - DOS/Waffle 1.65

jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (Lord Yertle) writes:
> >I'm curious.  Does anyone _know_ what is involved with changing your FQDN 
> >in the .US domain?
> 
> I did this a few weeks ago.  You send in another registration to the
> .US-meisters; they'll change your old name to point to your new MX
> forwarder if you want.  They ask you to eliminate the old domain name
> at some point.  It's pretty easy.  The messy bit is keeping your mail
> software working through the transition.

OK, now for the fun part.  Finding a new MX site that is willing to forward 
your mail.  I'd be worried about finding an Internet site nearby UUCP-wise 
that will MX for anybody.

Lance

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