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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Perot and libertarians (was Re: THINK AND GROW RICH)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:22:25 GMT

In article <920414.2130298226@lacan.postmodern.com> mcb@lacan.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) writes:
>
>While Perot may have some interesting ideas here and there, he is NOT
>a libertarian nor is he, to my mind, friendly to libertarian ideals.
>
>Specifically:
>1. He would escalate, not end, the so-called "War on Drugs" (War on
>Civil Liberties), and he speaks of police sweeps of minority
>neighborhoods, multi-agency raids, and "military" tactics.
>
>2. He has not made a strong statement in favor of RKBA/Second
>Amendment rights.
>
>3. He would restrict political speech and the news media (limit
>campaigning, ban exit polls) and is not bothered by the apparent First
>Amendment issues.
>
>4. He would increase, not decrease, government intervention into the
>economy, under the guide of "management".  This would
>include restrictions/penalties on international transactions.
>
>5. He has stated that he would run the country "like he ran EDS".
>At EDS, it was forbidden to have a beard, there was a strict
>conservative dress code, and you could get fired for having an
>extramarital affair.
>
>Don't be deluded!  

Yes, but how many of these "campaign promises" would he be able to keep? :)
Traditionally the rate of return on campaign promises is pretty low.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: shea@ntmtv.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: BUSH GARUNTEES LAROUCHE WONT TALK! WHY?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:25:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmtvs315.9204162025.AA15193


In article <1992Apr14.144400.1226@unocal.com>, Richard Ottolini writes:
> IMHO the guy is paranoic, but he did suggest one of the better presidental
> platforms in an infomercial in Feb.  He had a very technocratic slant-
> rebuild infrastructure, education, space program, etc.


Funny you should mention space program.  When LaRouche was interviewed
on a college radio station I worked at in the mid-80's, he stated
that the reason we needed to beef up our space program was because
the Soviets already had colonies and missile bases installed on the 
surface of Mars.  Five minutes later he denied ever making that
statement, even when a tape of it was played back to him.  All of
this happened live on the air.


-- 
Ray Shea			"Anti-lock brakes are a good thing, but
DoD #0372, '88 Hawk NT650	 a brain is better."
(415)940-2527							-- Osborn
ntmtv!shea@ames.arc.nasa.gov	
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ba.general
From: c162-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Neeraj Chaudhary)
Subject: RossPerot
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:21:57 GMT




In response to an earlier post, Michael C. Berth said that "Perot for Prez"
and libertarianism were mutually exclusive.  

Well Michael, you are probably right.  But in view of the economic catas-
trophe I believe were are approaching, I think Perot is the best candidate
of the three (Perot, Bush, Clinton).  I am a loyal Republican, but in this
case, Patrick J. "I don't really hate Jewish people" Buchanan was right.  
Bush has not been an effective president.  He has done nothing to ensure
the long-term health of this country is not damaged.  Nay, he has been
counterproductive, and he hasn't shown any signs of true leadership outside
of foreign policy.  

As for Slick Willie "No, that wasn't me with the Playmate of the Year" Clinton,
nuf said on character, and he, too appears to have no signs of understanding
the shocking problem that threatens to plunge the world into depression, namely
the U.S. national debt.

Let me again state that you are right about Perot's libertarian record.  But
I think that he is more concerned with overhauling the U.S. economy than he
is with creating a police state, and if he does show signs of creating such
conditions, I will be the first to call for his impeachment.  I don't
believe that a Democratically-controlled Congress will stand for it.  I
also believe that if outrageous laws *were* being passed, the American
people would wake up and really raise hell.

A final note:  the Perot candidacy is more of a "threat" candidacy than a 
"true" one, meaning that if, come September, Bush is neck and neck with 
Slick Willie, he may give in to some of Perot's ideas in exchange for his
(Perot's) support.  Clinton may do same.

(Sorry I lied about the previous note but,) A final note:  I am sure you will
agree with me that Perot's integrity is virtually unquestionable.  After the
"Peace on Earth" airlift to Vietnam, the commando rescue of his employees in
Iran, his insistence that the U.S. acknowledge the POWs in Vietnam and his
staunch opposition to the Persian Gulf War, his commitment to fairness  
appears genuine.

Thanks for listening!

**Perot-Rudman '92**
From: Gerry B. Andeen
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Congress: 14th District
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:19:04 GMT
Reply-To: andeen.erg.sri.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: SRI International

You are invited to have an electronic mail chat with a Democratic candidate for
Congress in Califronia's 14th district (San Carlos through Sunnyvale and
Cupertino on the Bay and Devil's Slide to Ano Nuevo on the coast).  Write
andeen@erg.sri.com.

Gerry B. Andeen is a Principal Scientist at SRI International currently working
in Automation.  He is the author of the Robot Design Handbook and ten patents. 

He was elected to the Menlo Park City Council and served as Mayor. 
Subsequently he was elected to the Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District
and served as President.  
He recently spent a sabbatical year as a Visiting Professor at the National
University of Singapore.  He says "It was fascinating to compare the concerns
in Singapore with the concerns on the peninsula; to contrast the arguments in
their Parliament with those in the US Congress."  That experience help to
clarify his view of the American technology position and his analysis of our
economic problems.  His political perspective is captured in a collection of
essays, Pulling Together,  available at local bookstores such as Kepler's in
Menlo Park, Printers Inc. in Mt. View, Heintzelman's in Los Altos, and the
Canada College bookstore, or from the campaign.

Dr. Andeen is a graduate of the University of Michigan and MIT.  

The following is a one minute self introduction:
     "We have handicapped ourselves in an increasingly global economy, by
becoming a nation of consumers.  Furthermore, we have mortgaged ourselves to do
it with junk bonds, inflated real-estate loans, selling our assets, and
national borrowing.  Only production of useful, high-quality goods will get us
out of the hole we have dug for ourselves. 
     "In my book, Pulling Together, I show how planning and working together
can not only turn around production, but health care, education, employment,
and other issues that face us .
     "I am proud of having been elected to my local City Council and to the
Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District.  I have a record you can examine. 
However, I am still an engineer more interested in making things work than in
pleasing special interests.   
     "I ask you to consider a new vision for our country and to help me make it
real."
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: RON DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT 1992
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:43:53 GMT
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co., Sunnyvale, Ca.
In-reply-to: zursch@whizkid.corp.sgi.com's message of Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:09:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.170909.29890@odin.corp.sgi.com> zursch@whizkid.corp.sgi.com (Jeff Zurschmeide) writes:
   In article <1325600006@igc.org> fscofi@igc.org (Frank Scofi) writes:
   >
   >          RON DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
   >

   Ron's program sounds nice in the abstract, but it's short on
   meat and long on fat. 

----
Most of it doesn't even sound that good in the abstract.
The parts that don't sound like pie-in-the-sky sound a lot
like some tricks that have been tried and found wanting on
the other side of the globe.  No thanks.

--
----
Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
408-756-0895                                   USA
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: The Airwaves (Was Re: Perot and libertarians )
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:28:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.232954.19784@kpc.com>,
emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.210035.16060@morrow.stanford.edu> GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>>Some of us consider that it makes as much sense to have the
>>"public" own the air waves as it makes sense for the "public" to
>>own all the land in the U.S.  Both are without question finite
>>limited resources.  Both can be handled thru conventional concepts
>>of ownership based on original homesteading of the resource in
>>question.
>>
>        But then, people who homesteaded on the airwaves would be allowed
>Free Speech, but people who came later would be censored from that media.
>if we were to open the airwaves to homesteading, The licensced broadcasters
>shouldn't have an unfair advantage-they'd have to allow, during the homesteading
>process, other broadcasters to come in with their own transmitters and
>compete. The one with the bigger transmitter would win.

Problems of transition are always more difficult than stating where
you want to get.  Given that most of the air waves have effectively
been homesteaded, although not in a free market environment, I think
the smoothest transition is just to declare the current license
holders to be the owners and let the market take over from there.

If someone puts up a bigger transmitter which step on your existing
signal it should be viewed and prosecuted as trespass.  A property
right in a radio wave would be define as a right to broadcast a
clear signal at a given strength from a transmitter in a specific
location.

>Besides, as a member of the public that owns these airwaves (according
>to current law), why should I want to give it to someone else?

Because in truth when "everyone" owns something, no one does.  You
only have a say in what a station does if you can apply sufficient
political pressure to sensitive regulators.  Privatizing the air
waves would substitute market forces for political pressure.  The
stations which really served the interests of their sponsors and
listeners would profit for the same reason that other service
providers profit and prosper in a market environment.

/June
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: michael@rosebud.llnl.gov (Mike Slominski)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Nightline excludes Andre Marrou (maybe)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:52:55 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab.

I found out yesterday, from the Stanford Daily, that "All" the
presidential candidates have been invited to Stanford by Nightline to
do a show this Friday night.  Reading down the list, I find that "all"
does not include Andre Marrou.

Before I jumped to conclusions, I decided to call ABC News to see if
the Stanford Daily had their story strait.  I was told that they
didn't give out information about Nightline because, in general, they
don't know what the show is going to be about until the day of the
show.  The woman I was talking to said, as far as she knew, there was
no such show even planed.  I didn't press her on this and requested
that if they did do the show as reported, that A.M. be included.  She
resisted, asking me why she should take a request about a show that
didn't exist. I told her that according to the Stanford Daily, the
candidates had already been contacted about doing the show, that
Stanford was in the process of holding a lottery to see who would
attend, and that in any case I had prefaced my request with "IF THERE
WAS TO BE SUCH A SHOW".  She gave in and said that she'd pass it on
and, before I could request that Paul Tsongus also be included, she
hung up.

If this show happens, it will be the first real inter-party debate for
the candidates and I don't like it that A.M. seems to be excluded.  I
don't know what Nightline is basing their political discriminations
on, but I can't think of any reasonable basis for excluding A.M. (if
they're choosing the candidates that are seen as having a reasonable
shot at being Mr. P., Bush would be the only one there).  It seems Ted
K. and the gang at Nightline have decided for us who the legitimate
candidates are and Andre Marrou is not one of them.  IMHO, the
Libertarian political philosophy, as would be expressed by A.M., has
too much thought behind it to not be heard.  Even if you don't agree
with lib. philosophy or solutions, Mr.  Marrou would, more than
likely, speak coherently about the state of the country and the areas
that need attention.  At the very least, this would be useful in
grounding the other candidates rhetoric and maybe it would help them
attain some focus (...Nah).

An irony of this is that the purpose of the show is to examine the
growing frustration with Washington and ask the question, "`why isn't
Washington working?'"  I think that A.M. might have had a fair amount
to say about this, some of which only he and our founding fathers
would have brought up.  Who's going to point the finger at the
Republicrats, if the only people they've invited are Republicans and
Democrats?

The number for ABC News is (212) 456-3606, but I'm not sure how much
good it will do.  The woman I talked to was downright hostile.

-m


-- 
Michael Slominski        | Memory is the power to gather roses in
michael@rosebud.llnl.gov | winter.
(510) 423-6754           |                     -unknown
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: Perot and libertarians (was Re: THINK AND GROW RICH)
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:51:25 GMT

In article <920414.2130298226@lacan.postmodern.com> mcb@lacan.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) writes:
>In the referenced article, c162-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU 
>(Neeraj Chaudhary) writes:
>> [...]
>>      4. I am a libertarian (NOT A LIBERAL! :-) ).
>> [...]
>>  P.S.:
>>     1.  Perot for President
>
>Neeraj, I'm afraid those two are pretty much mutually exclusive--
>While Perot may have some interesting ideas here and there, he is NOT
>a libertarian nor is he, to my mind, friendly to libertarian ideals.
>
>Specifically:
>1. He would escalate, not end, the so-called "War on Drugs" (War on
>Civil Liberties), and he speaks of police sweeps of minority
>neighborhoods, multi-agency raids, and "military" tactics.
>
	I have heard this, but have yet to see a quote where he
actually said this. The closest I've seen is a magazine reporter
paraphrasing. What is the exact quote? Allegedly, he said this
at a media round table. Everybody was probably taking notes. 
Why hasn't anybody used his qote on this verbatim? 
	My guess is that he didn't say 'minority' and the
reporter read what he wanted to into what he said.

>2. He has not made a strong statement in favor of RKBA/Second
>Amendment rights.
>
>3. He would restrict political speech and the news media (limit
>campaigning, ban exit polls) and is not bothered by the apparent First
>Amendment issues.
>
	Both of these can be accomplished without limiting free speach.
For instance: in political campaigns:
	1) Matching federal funds only becomes effective after a certain date.
	2) Free air time (to reduce the amount of money needed to campaign)
	   starts after a certain time.
	3) Work with the large parties to move their primaries/conventions
	   closer to the election.

>4. He would increase, not decrease, government intervention into the
>economy, under the guide of "management".  This would
>include restrictions/penalties on international transactions.
>
	Specifically, what restrictions or penalties?

>5. He has stated that he would run the country "like he ran EDS".
>At EDS, it was forbidden to have a beard, there was a strict
>conservative dress code, and you could get fired for having an
>extramarital affair.
>
	When did he say he'd run it like EDS?

So far, alot of people have talked about the awful way he ran EDS.
None of them, as far as I can tell, worked for EDS. Is there
anyone on the net whose worked there, that has some stories to tell?
So far, I've only seen one former EDS employee state his views about
the Perot presidency, and what he said was almost exclusively positive.
From: jql@cypress.com (Julie Lewis--Applications)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: headhunters
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:32:14 GMT
Reply-To: jql@cypress.com.UUCP (Julie Lewis--Applications)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA

Does anyone have a problem with headhunters (oops sorry) recruiters
using the net (ba.jobs.offered) to do their job?

I mean in any other newsgroup that I've read, if someone tries to use the
net as a tool to conduct a business, they get flamed.

I guess they have been at least identifying themselves as recruiters, but I
wonder if the companies that are paying these people big bucks to recruit
for them know that they are utilizing the net to do their job.

I'm just curious if y'all consider this ethical.



-- 
Julie Lewis                                    jql@cypress.com
"On Monday, the Senate Ethics Committee said that Congress treated the
House bank like it was "Monopoly" money.  I can't wait to see them when
they try to use that "Get Out of Jail Free" card!"  -Jay Leno
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: headhunters
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:25:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: public.6230
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <2087@cypress.UUCP> jql@cypress.com.UUCP (Julie Lewis--Applications) writes:
>Does anyone have a problem with headhunters (oops sorry) recruiters
>using the net (ba.jobs.offered) to do their job?

I think that because almost everyone here is looking for a job, that it
is ok. The same as advertising yourself as an auto mechanic on rec.autos...
Now people that advertise 200000% profit mail-in fraud schemes on the net
should (IMHO) be shot through the center of the Earth...

Jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* Yamama 650 Maxim           | "It's not how fast you go on the fast parts, *  
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |  it's how fast you go on the slow parts."    * 
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Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.misc
From: chandra@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Rohit Chandra)
Subject: Lost Postings for Entry Level Jobs
Originator: chandra@cs8
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:22:09 GMT

Hi :

I saw two postings for Entry Level positions 2 days ago
and unfortunately managed to lose them (deleted the file
by mistake, sob ! sob !)

I'd REALLY appreciate it if someone, anyone (please) could 
mail me a copy. The jobs were - 

1. From the Boston Globe, with HP.
2. For a EE/Computer Eng. with skills in Comp. Arch., Digital 
   Logic, VHDL, Bus Architectures etc. etc. 

THANX A ZILLION !! (I hope not in vain)

---
    _  Best Wishes...Rohit Chandra
   {~}' 
  ( V-)   Work  : +1 615 322-0962
  `|Y|'  BitNet : chandrr@vuctrvax
  _|||_ InterNet: chandra@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
From: steiny@steiny.UUCP (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Salary question
Date: 5 Apr 92 18:12:25 GMT
Distribution: ba

In article <1992Apr4.101831.13005@leland.Stanford.EDU>, as@leland.Stanford.EDU (Amit Shoham) writes:
> What's a good starting salary for an entry level software engineering position?

	$1,000,000.00 per year would be VERY good!!
-- 
Don Steiny
Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: mushroom@netcom.com (Robert Mudry)
Subject: Re: headhunters
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 08:00:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

In article <s5d0kINNgm2@agate.berkeley.edu> bbehlen@petrus.Berkeley.EDU (Vitamin B) writes:

>but on the other hand it seems like a violation of the net.rule against
>using the net for financial gain...
>
>	Let me know what you all think....
>
>	Brian

I think that anyone using the net for anything that is legal should be
encouraged. I mean, its all about transfer of information, isn't it? I
strongly feel that it is dangerous NOT to allow free communication to
ANYONE who wants it. If someone is trying to make an honest dollar, and
using the net helps, I don't find anything wrong with it. As a matter of
a fact, if you're looking for a new job, or a difficult to find book, or
a cheap car part, or whatever, then the net is invaluable. Where else can
you reach people all over the world for free? I'ld just hate to see
"commercials" on the net... ;)

-- 
mushroom@netcom.COM

"In general, it is safe and legal to kill your children and their children"
-POSIX Prg Gt, by Donald Lewine, O'Reilly & Associates, 1991, p.110 (On
 process termination)

glurp.
From: austria@spectrx.saigon.com (henry r. linneweh)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: SENIOR CADNETIX (DAZIX) PCB DESIGNER AVAILABLE!
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:29:00 GMT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

I am seeking a permanent position in PCB Design or a very long term
contract. I have 7+ years hands on experience with Cadnetix Design Tools.
I have 14.9 years hands on experience in CAD/CAM and I have been a PCB
Designer 11.7 years. I PADCAP/SMT design and have 6+ years SMT Design
experience. I have provided industry with standards of excellence in design
that were used by Advanced Quick Circuits of Melbourne Florida,the largest
and best multilayer fabricator in the world,as an example to their customers
I will continue to provide such high standards of design. I currently can
use and support CADNETIX F1.0 thru F1.3. I support the DAZIX Intergraph
TITAN project and the merge product,which is !!!HOT!!!. I can not leave a
resume on the network,instead I will provide such to the companies involved
or who are about to bring up a system. You may leave mail or a message here
at SPECTROX SYSTEMS for me. Thank You!
My current platforms are Sparcstation 2 or 3 with tcp_ip,nsf,nis organization.

--
austria@spectrx.saigon.com (henry r. linneweh)
SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005  Silicon Valley, Ca
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From: ssimmons@red.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Simmons [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: sun.jobs,ba.jobs.misc,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: Career oppertunities at Sun Microsystems
Keywords: Testing position
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:11:57 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: red


MTS 3-SW

Person will be responsible for developing and running test to demonstrate
correctness and performance of GUI,applications, and network for desktop. Must
have strong knowledge of UNIX, C programming, SW testing, and SW engineering.

Requires a BA / BS in CS or EE plus 4+ years in SW development and/or testing.

Please contact:

SCOTT SIMMONS
C/O Sun Microsystems
2500 Garcia Ave.
MTV 10-131
MT. View, Ca. 94043

PHONE # 415-336-5044

FAX # 415-336-6606
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