HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (ALVES)
Subject: Re: WHO SAID THAT HASSIBA BOULMERKA WAS A FLUKE?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:14:00 GMT

In article <yc5m-pg@lynx.unm.edu>, blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes...
>Maitreya Sengupta writes:
>>blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>>|> ....Last I checked, Algeria was still a strictly Muslim country, and a
>>|>woman running, in shorts, in public is pretty much unheard of.
>>	Just one question. Have you ever been to Algeria? Have you studied any
>>factual accounts about their culture/lifestyle? Or is your opinion
>>entirely based on the reliable and authentic infromation gleaned from
>>NBC/ABC/CBS/Star/Weekly World News/Globe etc.
>>Maitreya (no, I'm not from Algeria) Sengupta.
> 
>No, I have never been to Algeria.
>Yes, I have studied factual accounts on the culture/lifestyle of Muslim
>dominated countries.
>No, my opinion is much more educated than the Weekly World News. Or NBC
>for that matter.
> 
>Whats your point in asking me all those questions anyways? Just tyring to
>be inflamatory? Or has Muslim Fundamentalism really lightend up that much
>to allow a woman to run, in public, with bare legs. (Nothing against Muslim
>fundies- we got our own brand of fundamentalists out here- plenty to deal
>with by themselves, thanks :)
> 
>If your not from Algeria, have you ever been there? Why do you presume that,
>just because I'm from the US, I'm a cultural illiterate? What is your basis
>of fact that information given out by the US media (star, weekly world news
>and national enquirer aside) is unauthentic and unreliable?
> 
>r.

Though the majority of the Algerians are Muslims and, surely, a 
"woman running, in shorts, in public is pretty much unheard of", 
you can hardly say that Algeria is a "strictly Muslim country."

Since the independence war against France, Algeria has been ruled 
by a nationalistic Party which, in some way, tried to reduce the 
influence of fundamentalists on society.  As a result, women enjoy 
much more freedom than in other Arab countries (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, 
p.ex. 8-)).  The fact that HASSIBA BOULMERKA could represent Algeria 
is a proof of that.  Last year, the fundamentalists won the elections, 
and threatened all that.  To avoid that they would transformed the 
country in a "strictly Muslim country" the military took over the 
power.  (Remember: I *DIDN'T* say I do agree with this position :-))

As you can see, Algeria is not, and never was, a country dominated 
by the fundamentalists. Interesting enough, Islamic fundamentalists 
become much more powerful in Algeria and most Islamic countries thanks 
to the Gulf War...

---Rui
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: All that fat
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:19:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Speaking of fat in your diet: why is it that we all know that
fat is bad for your heart? I ask this because I have an English
Cookbook that practically oozes lard out of every recipe.

Yet the british seem to life lives longer than we mere mortals.

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From: hillyard@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Sean Edward Hillyard,F7 Clark,50649,)
Subject: Re: swimming question
Originator: hillyard@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:53:43 GMT

From article <BsvxAB.19t@world.std.com>, by htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson):

>>In several swimming races I've seen, a USA swimmer has led until the
>>last 25 meters of the race, at which point he or she was overtaken.
>>It seems like this is happening more frequently to USA swimmers than
>>to swimmers from other countries, and it seems more common at these
>>Games than at previous ones.  I can think of several possible reasons:

>>Anyone have any ideas about this?
> 

The US swimmer thinks he's the best and should win so he forges out in
front; the pace required to lead perhaps faster than he would normally (or 
should) take.  It turns out he is not as good as the other swimmers so he 
tires due to the fast pace, gets passed, and loses.

Has certainly happened to me on the track (from both sides).

SEH
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From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:09:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

>Speaking of fat in your diet: why is it that we all know that
>fat is bad for your heart? I ask this because I have an English
>Cookbook that practically oozes lard out of every recipe.

>Yet the british seem to life lives longer than we mere mortals.

There was a segment on 60 minutes aired recently called "the
French paradox". A nutritional researcher was in France trying
to figure out why the French people have far less heart disease
than American even though they have a fattier diet and a more
sedantary lifestyle. He wasn't finished with his research, but
the evidence pointed to the consumption of wine with dinner
as an antidote to the fatty food. The alcohol stimulates the
blood platelettes that would normally tend to congeal. An
interesting secondary experiment was comparing cheese to milk.
Rats fed cheese would not digest the cheese fat, yet rats fed
milk of equal fat and calorie content would. The milk-fed rats
developed blocked arteries and the cheese fed rats did not. So
not all fat is equal (this study was done because the French
eat so much more cheese than Americans).

The real interesting conclusion was that even if this data
proved conclusive beyond dispute, it would never be published
in main stream literature here. Religious/family influence
groups would block any positive news about alcohol consumption
and the dairy industry still wants to push milk as a healthy
beverage. A bit of irony here - on the same segment, wine
consumption was backmapped onto the US against heart disease.
The lowest region of wine consumption matched up with the 
highest region of heart disease - the south and midwest. Otherwise
known as the bible belt.

jim
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From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Subject: Re: World and Olympic Records
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory of Structural Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 08:34:15 EET

In article <46382@shamash.cdc.com> paul@svl.cdc.com (Paul Kohlmiller) writes:
>leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:
>>The triple jump was won by Powell(?) of US with a result which exceeds
>>the world record but could not be accepted to be a new world record
>>because there was too much wind from behind. So the olympic record is
>>now better than the world record and someone can really jump more than
>>the world record in Atlanta and not do a new olympic record.
>Is this true? Certainly someone from Finland probably knows more about

I may have mislead you. If I was wrong I'll apologize.
It is only that I was almost sure to have seen this small "New OR"
sign on TV when Powell jumped his best one. The sign of course does not
prove anything?
But I don't really see any reason why it should not be the New OR.

Most people in Finland know a lot about track and field. This of course
does not mean that I'd be sitting here with a boot of rules on my lap.
But you just have to look at the total count of medals in all Olympics games
to notice that we have a very long history of track and field sports behind
us. I am sorry to say behind us, because at the moment it really looks
like our success is only history!?

-- 
Tapio Leino               email: Tapio.Leino@vtt.fi
VTT / Laboratory of Structural Engineering
PL 26, SF-02151 ESPOO, Finland
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From: kai1@dasher.uucp (Kai Chiu)
Subject: Re: American Arrogance - US Monolopy?
Reply-To: kai1@dasher.UUCP (Kai Chiu)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:07:39 GMT

In article <2266@tymix.Tymnet.COM> douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg) writes:
>
>What do you call a team that beats another in a relay and has
>t-shirts printed reading: "We Kicked Their Butts!"?
>
>
>   (Arrogant Stuff deleted) 
>
>Arrogance, questionable displays of sportsmanship, bad taste...
>It seems the rest of the world is catching up.
>
>douge@antares.tymnet.com          "It's not where you've been,
>				   it's where you're going."  - Chris Mullin

Please just ignore this guy as I did when he sent me email making 
studpid accusations (I am a racist because I critisized Charles
Barkley, or I am anti-american because I don't like america's
commericialization of sports, etc.).
  
The fact is simple, the US team deserves a gold in the world 
competition of arrogance. Period. 



Kai Chiu
kai1@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Bell Communications Research, Inc.              
Tel: (908) 699-7338 
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From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Subject: Re: Banned Techniques
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:41:58 GMT

From article <2275@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, by douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg):
>   Like they didn't ban the Fosbury Flop because it was invented
>   by an American.  I don't see why they should ban new techniques
>   either.  I suppose one could ban the slam-dunk in basketball
>   too, while they're at it.

Actually, they did ban it several years ago, primarily to try to reduce the
overpowering advantage of tall centers like Lew Alcindor.  (That should give
a good time frame for the ban.)  After a couple of years of seeing that the
ban just made it easier for the big men to dominate, the ban was rescinded.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:23:10 GMT

Talking of cholesterol,
Does anyone know what a "normal" (if there is such a thing) level of
cholesterol would be for a 20yr old white male who is very fit.
Height: 6'1, Weight: 168lbs. Body Fat %: 10%

I know this is beginning to sound like a personal ad but I'm just curious.

Any ideas,

Judge Raz

redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie  |    ~~~    |  You got my body now you want my soul 
Donncha Redmond        |    o-o    |  Now can't have none of that 
National Swim Team     |     ^     |  Tell her whatta say Mace 
Ireland		       |    `-'    |  Say no go		-- De La Soul
From: tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Nigerian athletes addresses?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:42:10 GMT
Reply-To: TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden


 hello! topic says it all, but if any of you've got the address to
Beatrice Utondu, Faith Idehen, Christy Opara Thompson or Mary Onyali
it would be jolly good and appreciated if you'd share it with me...

thanks in advance!




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From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Gymnastics: Instant Replay for Judging
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:28:51 GMT

In article <claypool.714228548@myria> claypool@myria.cs.umn.edu (Mark Claypool) writes:
>>>>>   - The judges should have access to instant replay before scoring.
>>> Well, perhaps we could do something like this:
>>> [ Idea for replay use deleted. ]
>
>> I keep thinking about my typical day of judging, and just can't
>> imagine any way this could work. 
>> My typical judging day is something like this:
>> [ Long, cold, typical day deleted. ]
>
>> Some how I just don't see how I can add 45~60 sec to the
>> judging time and still finish the meet in the same day.
>
>Well, say there are about 40 gymnasts competing.  There is one set of
>judges for each apparatus.  If each routine takes an extra minute to
>score, you've added on 40 minutes to the meet time.  It's still the
>same day =), but a signifigant amount, never the less.  With attention
>spans of mosquitos (from some other post), people will invariably lose
>interest.
 
And it's rarely 10 below in the gym :-)

>So, you could have more judges.  Maybe two sets of judges for each
>apparatus.  That way, the "at bat" judges could watch the current
>gymnast while the "on deck" judges could score the previous gymnast
>using the replay.  Also, more judges would decrease the influence of
>any one judge and reduce the risk of an individual's bias hurting
>everyone.

I really don't like this idea.  Part of what makes a judged sport as fair
as humanly possible is the fact that all competitors are judged by the
*same* panel of judges.  Under your system there is a greater possibility
that half the gymnasts will be judged by a panel that is slightly more lenient
than the other panel.
>
>But perhaps judges are in short supply.  And extra judges would cost
>more, I suppose.  What do judges make, anyway?
>
>>[looks like now that the Olympics are over this news group
>>has gone off to never never land.  I wonder if any one is
>>actually raeding this stuff.... :-)   ]
>
>I read it!
>
me too!

--Robyn
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From: Robert.Holton@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Holton)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:04:16 GMT

In article <z54mfsa.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>Speaking of fat in your diet: why is it that we all know that
>fat is bad for your heart? I ask this because I have an English
>Cookbook that practically oozes lard out of every recipe.
>
>Yet the british seem to life lives longer than we mere mortals.
>
Fat's only bad for your heart if it gets to clog up the insides of your
arteries, otherwise it is the best fuel for performing relatively low
intensity exercise for long durations, like working on the farm. If the
recipes are old ones, e.g. from a time when the majority of people were
manual labourers, then this might explain it. Still I didn't know that us
brits were known for living long lives.

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From: pcannon@spotlight.Corp.Sun.COM (Phil Cannon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Most number of medals!!
Date: 12 Aug 1992 19:09:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pcannon@spotlight.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: spotlight.corp.sun.com

In article 22193@menudo.uh.edu, inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU (Ashish Parikh) writes:

>Does anyone know who won the most number of medals in following
>events. 

Do you mean country or individual? 
>
>1.	Track & Field

Assuming individual...

If memory serves me right,

Men: 2 (tie) Carl Lewis (LJ, 400R), Dennis Mitchell (100, 400R),
	 	Kriss Akabusi (400H, 1600R), Frank Fredricks (100, 200),
		Mike Marsh (200, 400R), Quincy Watts (400, 1600R),
		Steve Lewis (200, 1600R)

	- C. Lewis, Marsh, and Watts won G/G
	- S. Lewis S/G
	- Mitchell B/G
	- Fredricks S/S
	- Akabusi B/B

Women: 3 Gwen Torrence (200, 400R, 1600R); G/G/S
       2 (tie) Olga Bryzgina (400, 1600R): S/G
	       Sally Gunnell (400H, 1600R): G/B
	       Jackie Joyner-Kersee (Hept, LJ): G/B
       	       Juliet Cuthbert (100, 200): S/S
	       Irina Privalova (100, 400R): B/S
	       

Does not include athletes who ran legs on relay teams in prelims and
earned team medal, although I don't think it would change the 
outcome (I don't think Devers ran in 400R heats, for example; she
wasn't on final team).
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: Who should have been in charge of the coverage
Summary: about Bud Greenspan
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:05:26 GMT

In article <BsGwAH.DGz@encore.com> amarkel@encore.com (Arieh Markel) writes (in part):
>Based on all the Olympic documentaries that were done by Bud Greenspan,
>I believe he would make the best choices as far as what events should
>be broadcast and where to put the emphasis.
>
>I admit that the financial implications are absent as a criterium.
>
>And although I know that his documentaries were done based on an 
>incredible amount of footage, I believe that he (or other people not
>less professional) would be capable of providing a coverage similar in
>quality and depth as that.
>
>(After all, NBC is doing time-delay on their evening broadcast - so
>why couldn't they).

Well, almost as much of Greenspan's productions were created after the Games as 
during (let alone preliminary views of training, etc.), so it would be pretty 
tough.  

BTW, Greenspan is NOT creating the "official" film of the Games this time - 
I believe that task is going to someone connected with the movie "Chariots 
of Fire."  At this point, I'm not even sure of the status of his company, 
Cappy Productions - named after his late wife, who passed away just before 
the Seoul Games.  In addition, Bud's brother, who was the narrator in the 
films, also died within the past year.

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
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From: lein@garage.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Arrogance and the Olympics
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:23:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.141333.2098@brandonu.ca>, rodgers@brandonu.ca writes:
> I have been reading with interest the debate over the arrogance of US 
> athletes compared to others.  True, there are a few American athletes
> who have a slight ego (Lewis, Johnson, Torrence); several other countries
> do as well.  
> 
> However, in my opinion, it is not the athletes in the USA that have a
> ego problem, it is the American media, especially NBC.  They are so
> one-sided in their coverage, it is unbelievable.  If an American does
> not stand a chance in winning an event, they will not show it.  Worse
> still, if in the middle of a race, if the American falls back, they
> would actually cut away from the coverage and usually show basketball
> highlights.  The Olympics are not an American event, they are a world-wide
> event,
>

If the Olympics are not a nationalistic event, then why do athletics
wear outfits identifying them with a country, why is there a parade of
nations, each bearing their flag and "cultural" outfits when it starts.
or the medal cerimonies with it's flags and national anthemes    

The olympics were designed to be nationalistic, country -vs- country

Having spent 1984 in Britain, I found that US is not alone in showning 
only their athletes in the medal cerimony or selecting events which
only their atheltics compete.

John L

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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: NBC wimps out on closing ceremony coverage
Summary: Comments about NBC's last day of coverage
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:02:46 GMT

In article <373@asylum.UUCP> nelson@asylum.UUCP (Russ Nelson) writes:
>NBC supplies the US coverage of the Olympics.  CBC supplies the
>Canadian coverage of the Olympics.  Those of us who are close to the
>US-Canadian border are blessed with a choice of coverage.  Good thing,
>too, because during the closing ceremonies.  the mayor of Barcelona
>gave a politically stirring speech prior to introducing the President
>of the IOC.  He said that he was disappointed that a sister Olympic
>city, Sarajevo, was still under siege.  I didn't hear it all, but my
>wife said that it went on in that vein.
>
>CBC covered it.  NBC wimped out.

I think "wimped" is a much too delicate term for NBC's last day, but as 
you know, I'm not given to using such language on the net.  ;-)

However, I was very disappointed in NBC's coverage Sunday.  They (finally) 
managed to fall into the same trap CBS did on its last day - too much  
sideshow, not enough "real, live events" when there were several to choose 
to concentrate on, and the worst coverage of a closing ceremony I've ever 
seen.

And like CBS, they managed to misplace/misuse some interesting feature material.
I would've liked to have seen the newspaper reporters roundtable last more than 
5 minutes/3 questions.  I could've lived without yet another fullblown 
highlight film of gymnastics, but would've gladly listened to more final 
observations from those who covered the events.

If NBC wasn't going to cover much of anything live Sunday morning, it 
should've dropped that show - it was pretty much a waste (but then, I did 
see and enjoy a lot of the jumping finals on Triplecast).

I was especially upset to learn the next day from newspapers what I missed 
of the closing ceremonies.  Very little cohesiveness - again.

Time to cool off...
Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Example of Olympic Spirit
Date: 13 Aug 1992 20:12:30 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu
Summary: What the olympics should be about- participation
Keywords: Mongolian Marathon runner

Someone mentioned the Mongolian marathoner finishing last and having to use 
the practice track.  Here's what the SF Examiner had to say about it.


(Monday, 10 August)

NO LONELINESS HERE

	Pyambuu Tuul staggered out of the Barcelona night, one night late but
proud to be the last athlete in the Olympic games Sunday.
	The Mongolian had vowed to run in the Olympic marathon 12 months ago
when he regained his sight in one eye after 13 years of blindness.  But
organizers insisted he finish his four hours of agony on a warmup track
rather than in the main stadium, where the Olympic opening ceremonies were 
already in full swing.
	Surrounded by six police motorcycles, with an ambulance also in
attendance, Tuul seemed bemused as officials guided him off the marked road,
through a darkened parking lot, and onto the warmup track.  When he had just
800 yards left, an official warned the marathon man he could be disqualified
if he took off his race number covering the legend 'Achilles Track Club of
Mongolia" on his t-shirt.
	He stopped on entering the track, looking around for help.  Another
official told him his marathon was not over; he still had one lap of the
track to run.  Tuul smiled and lumbered off again into the gloom.
	The 33 year old finally crossed the line to a smattering of applause 
from a small group of officials and journalists.  His time of four hours, 
4 minutes, 00.44 seconds was 56 minutes slower than next-to-last Hussein
Haleen of the Maldives.
	After finishing, Tuul gave the thumbs up, kissed the cheek of the
official who had shouted at him and said he did not mind being kept out of
the main stadium.
	"I am just a runner.  As the last runner in the Olympics I am much
satisfied," He said.  Tuul's day began badly when he dropped his glasses, 
breaking them.  He patched them up with tape and set off on his odyssey.

(end article)

It is refreshing to hear a stories like this in the midst of all the negatives
that have surrounded with controversy and negatives.


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