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From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Limits on TARDIS travel (Was Re: The Doctor is...)
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:24:04 GMT


as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:

>Now I suppose you'll tell me that in a later incarnation, the Doc went back
>in time and became Rassilon, in a sort of historical fulfillment thing. 
>However, the TARDIS does have limits on its travel, and *cannot* function
>before a certain point in time.

>>There's at least one episode contradicting this... in _Castrovalva_, the
>>Master sends the TARDIS back to "Event One, the hydrogen inrush", i.e.,
>>the Big Bang, the start of time.  I would assume, if this is the start
>>of the universe, that it is before the Gallifreyans/Time Lords [no, I'm

This is a common error. The event one described in Castrovalva was not the
Big Bang. It was the creation of the Galaxy from a Hydrogen inrush (well
this is a novel approach to galatic astrophysics). There is a big difference
between the Big Bang and this event of Galaxy formation.

Mark C.

>-----------------------------------------------------
>>From Neal Smith (nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com)


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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: ytv could delete dw from
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:58:08 EST

Dave:

-> YTV looks set to cancel our beloved show.  Could we get someone out
-> of the Toronto region such as Dale Clayton, Dan Bishop or Jason M
-> confirm the status

 There is no word here about that. Why do you think YTV is about to
cancel DW?

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: dc@ohm.york.ac.uk (Dave Cullen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:55:31 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK


   As a strong contender for a new Who, howsabout Richard O'Brien (of Rocky
Horror fame), currently to be seen in Britain in his Crystal Maze show.

  One WELL WIERD bloke!

 Dave
From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (she listens like her head's on fire..)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ace? More like deuce... here's a new slant
Summary: whats this about peri?
Keywords: Peri
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov13.220639.12628@wam.umd.edu>, jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes...
>In article <1992Nov13.175103.18475@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
stuff deleted> 

>Well, I'd say that for most of the American viewers of the show,
>working-class Perivale is almost as alien as Traken. 

will someone explain this statement??
From: B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Your firsts
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:15:08 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>In article <XR7muB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>
>> - <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>> -
>> - > I would like to hear how some of my fellow "Whovians" were
>> - > first introduced into the series - It was quite a powerfull
>> - > experience for me (or as powerfull as a child might imagine!)
>> - > when I watched "Genesis of The Daleks" on channel 2. It was
>> - > the best show I'd ever seen ! - The mystery of the whole series
>> - > was a joy to unravel, to get to know the doctor and his interesting
>> - > happenings. In short - it's the last Televison show I'll watch!
>> - > But anyway, I'd like to hear from anyone on this...
>> - >
>> - >
>> - >    Scorby...


>My turn.

>little) and heavily into science, and thus the gifts I received were
>books about science.
>One of them was a British publication they had found somewhere geared
>for the pre-teen audience called simply "Robots."  In the sections
>where it talks about film and television robots, "Doctor Who" gets
>mentions for the Daleks, the Cybermen, K9, and Kettlewell's Robot.
>I had never heard of this show before (or many of the others mentioned)
>but the name stayed in my mind, particularly as some of these robots
>looked pretty interesting.

I have actually got that book! It has Marvin in it as well if I remember
correctly.

To bring a British dimension to these stories, I started watching in the
seventies as a small child, because everybody did. The first story I can
actually remember from the first time I saw it is the Planet of Evil - and then
because I thought those thick cylinder-like containers were weird.

I've watched ever since, right up into the eighties when nobody did, and
Who-fans tended to get the mickey taken out of them rather a lot.

Barry.
From: loring@nate.UUCP (Loring Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: "I'm going out now and may be some time"
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:56:10 GMT
Reply-To: nate!loring@cs.rit.edu
Followup-To: nate!loring@cs.rit.edu
Organization: HealthChex, Inc.

In the last few weeks of watching Dr. Who I've seen the following quote
(and variations of it) used in several Dr. Who stories:

	"I'm going out now and may be some time"

This was said by an explorer before leaving his group on his own and 
getting to be the first person to either the north or south poles, right?
(pardon my ignorance, I'm US educated :-) ).

The stories are:
	Planet of Evil (when the Doctor leaves the control center for the last
		time to deal with the monster Professor)
	Nightmare of Eden (when the Doctor is leading all the Mandril's back
		into the crystal)
	Earthshock (when the doctor goes out into the caves to cool off after
		his argument with Adric)

Can anyone think of any other stories where a variation of this quote appeared? 
Can anyone give me a reference for the quote?  (I'm probably mangling it)

Please email any responses to me and I'll summarise...

Loring
-- 
Loring Holden - nate!loring@cs.rit.edu - (716) 377-6270
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From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: **RUMOUR ZONE** Highlanders?
Summary: oooooeeeeeeeoooooo
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:28:38 GMT
Keywords: diddlydum

  
  Here is another addition to the rumour zone, that part of fandom that takes
  the wildest of speculations and makes them true.
  From the title given, a rumour is rushing around that the second Troughton
  story, The Highlanders (immortal free) has been found.
  That two episodes of Power of the Daleks exist (very strong)

  and, this is the bad bit if you want to believe it,
  the Tenth Planet 4 was returned on a blank tape, ie it dont exist after all.

   
  We can only hope that the first bit is true, and the 2nd bit isnt.
  Fingers crossed.....
  ***********************************************
  THE RUMOUR ZONE...the motto is, believe it fully and you are a smeghead,
  dismiss it, you are a pessimistic smeghead, wonder thoughtfully, and you
  will have enlightenment.

  I stress these are only rumours again.
  Jason.
From: bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 03:06:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Hmmm... A Goo Who, huh?
Maybe the same people that make Jelly Babies?

Sorry, couldn't resist following up Siobahn's message.
-- 
Email Robert J. Corrigan at bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
or his evil twin at RCORRIGAN@jcvaxa.jcu.edu

"It is not _I_ who am crazy...it is I who am...MAD!!!" - Ren Hoek
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Who'd make a good Who?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.203824.3498@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>
>UGH!  Stop!  I can't take any more!  :)
>
>If we want to get really silly, how about Stephen Seagal or Jean-Claude Van
>Damme?
>
>Or just about any standup comedian.  Or can you imagine Billy Crystal as the
>Doctor?
>

Hey, you may be on to something here... Not Billy Crystal... Billy CONNOLY!
He's English enough (yes, Scottish counts as English...), crazy enough, and
could probably play straight enough for the serious parts...


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore
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From: mrmuon@next05csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Dr Who On BBC2 This Morning
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:17:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.122917.7291@cs.nott.ac.uk> epc@cs.nott.ac.uk (Elvis  
Presley's Corpse) writes:
> I flicked on to BBC2 this morning and found the Doctor (Sylvester
> McCoy), Ace and K9 on a program called Thinkabout Science.  If you
> didn't see it you didn't miss anything; it's just a children's
> educational program.  The bit I saw had the Doctor asking K9, "What's
> red, orange, yellow, blue and white?" or something like that.

Approximately 9 years ago there was some BBC produced show for children  
about computers shown on PBS. The episode about robots had a brief  
appearance of K9 in it. I was rather delighted by this.

--
Eli Hawkins : mrmuon@wam.umd.edu
<picture jazzy quote here>
"You are a very stupid machine!"
    -K9, "The Invasion of Time"
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sarah-Jane, wimp or winner - you be the judge!
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:55:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov18.193746.8838@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:





>Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan

>This isn't a good sign, I am agreeing more with Simchik.... Oh, yes we're 
>both scorpians!  Which should scare the hell out of the rest of the net.

You're agreeing with me?  Oh, no, I must be right for a change!  :)

Scorpians have a tendency to scare people, yes...perhaps my obnoxious ways
will grow on you all...

...kind of like a parasitic fungus... :)

-- 
****************************************************************************
*  Andrew David Simchik *  DISCLAIMER: I said it... 			   *
*  a.k.a. Drewcifer     *  			No one else would!	   *							   *
****************************************************************************
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Susan and regeneration
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:05:00 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Nov23.103429.12250@bsu-ucs>, 00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> 
>      Could somebody please help me on some details of the Hartnell years?  I'm
> not too familiar with the early shows, so some questions puzzle me:
> 
> Whatever happened to Susan, Barbara, and Ian?  (I *think* that was his name :-) 
>      I gather from an earlier posting that Susan married somebody, but where
>      did all of them end up?

Susan fell in love with David Campbell in "The Dalek Invasion of Earth."
Despite this, she still wanted to go with the Doctor at the end, but
he thought it was time she had roots of her own and a stable environment
so he locked her out of the TARDIS, gave her the "One day I shall come 
back" speech we see again at the start of "The Five Doctors," and then
dematerialized.  Susan looks distraught for a while and David walks her
away.  She drops her TARDIS key on the ground here and the camera zooms in
on it....

Ian and Barbara take the first real chance they've ever had to get back
home at the end of "The Chase."  After the entire Dalek execution squad
has been destroyed in the Mechanoid City, the crew investigate the
Dalek time machine that had been chasing them round the galaxy and Ian
and Barbara ask the Doctor to use it to send them home.  At first he
is utterly furious at this idea, but this is all a bluff really as he
knows he's going to miss them and also as they were a living link back
to Susan.  They are adamant however and the Doctor sends them back to
London, but two years out in 1965, which coincidentally (hah!) is the
amount of time they spent with the Doctor.  Shortly after they arrive
the machine self-destructs and they have a whirlwind tour around London
as they're so happy to be back.  And the Doctor and Vicki watch them
on the Space/Time Visualiser they had used earlier in the story, and
the Doctor says, "I shall miss them.  yes, I shall miss them.  Silly
old fusspots."  And then the TARDIS leaves Mechanus, with both the 
Doctor and Vicki unaware that Steven Taylor is inside it with them...



> 
> Why did the Doctor regenerate the first time, and how did they explain it?  As
>      I understand, the term "regeneration" didn't emerge until the end of the
>      Pertwee years (I remember Troughton being told that the Time Lords were
>      "giving him a new form"), so what did they call it then?  (I've seen every
>      other regeneration scene but this one; does it still exist?)


"A change of appearance" seemed to be the term used in "War Games," but
the word "renewal" was also used in "The Power of the Daleks."
The regeneration takes place at the end of "The Tenth Planet," and was due
to simple old age.  The clip of the scene does still exist, although
the rest of the episode is apparantly still missing.  (And here we thought
it was back a couple weeks ago, and the tape turns out to be blank again.)


Steven.K.Manfred


> 
> E-mail me, or post if you think anybody else would be interested.  Thanks.
> 
> Casey
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Shada on TV anywhere?
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:13:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov18.101350.22431
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

I'll try to get one more post devoted to Shada...

When Tomb was released on video, it was shown on PBS (and probably other
places, BBC, etc.). Well, we haven't been swamped with articles with subjects
like "SHADA on WDIP!!!!" so I assume it hasn't been aired anywhere. Has it?
If not, I'm curious if its sales are doing better than Tomb. I know that if
I wasn't a video buyer, I wouldn't buy a story if it was on TV. Anyone have
any sale numbers?

Tom(b)
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: who'd make a goo who?
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:17:21 EST

Daniel Bishop wrote:

-> I liked Colin Baker's costume!

 I thought it made him look like some cartoon character. I don't think
it aided in The Doctor's credibility.
 Probably the best costume, and best related to The (a) Doctor, was
McCoy's. As an occasional traveller myself, his outfit makes the most
sense. Good pocket space, mobility and credible for this type of
character (traveller, explorer, adventurist, scientist, technologist,
teacher, learner, journeyman :-/,  etc.). I can't see how CB fits in
there. At least, not with the costume aspect. CB looked like he wanted
to run away with the circus. There are now too many adults fans that
wouldn't go (or went) along with that concept.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: not verbose (was Re: Balls etc.)
Summary: pithy enough for you?
Keywords: Abelard and Heloise
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:50:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov19.155056.17610
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <19NOV92.13553297@vax.clarku.edu> 
hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

HH:
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny), waving his mighty
>Eurodick again, writes:

MZ:
>>Eloquence being the quintessential tertiary sexual characteristic of
>>the male, I conclude that scantiness of tropes is a sign of smallness
>>of genitals.  

HH:
>Mikhail: It ain't the meat, it's the motion.

So said the would-be eunuch priest of Cythera, as he flung his
genitals under the feet of her procession.  Read more Catullus.
And remember that you don't have to settle for less.

>Heather
>HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
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From: microsoc@black.ox.ac.uk (Marc B.A. Read)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:31:38 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
Originator: microsoc@black

In article <1992Nov17.125404.4312@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <Bxnwzo.L63@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> aaiken@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andrew C. Aiken) writes:
>
>>It was a dark and stormy night.
>>
>>So said the scrap of paper that the madman pressed into his hand.
>>
>>Is there no escape from the Law?
>
>For Wittgenstein, P.I., the world is all that is the case.
>
Surey some mistake... Wittgenstein, P.I., had decided that the world was
_more_ than just the case... he was a changed man from the days when, as
old "Tractarian Ludwig", he'd lived only for his work...
>
>--Mike
>
Marc
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<TORKEL.92Nov21163353@bast.sics.se> <1992Nov21.180903.3894@eff.org>
	<TORKEL.92Nov21194533@bast.sics.se> <gall.722534646@yorku.ca>
	<TORKEL.92Nov23173712@bast.sics.se> <gall.722543832@yorku.ca>
	<TORKEL.92Nov23202821@bast.sics.se> <gall.722553488@yorku.ca>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:24:41 GMT

In article <gall.722553488@yorku.ca> gall@nexus.yorku.ca (Norm Gall) writes:

   >Well, that _is_ the project of the fist 180 sections of PI.

  What is the project? "Problems in the use of language?"

   >Your use of the term 'waffling' seems to indicate an general
   >intolerance.

  I'm afraid I can make little of this baffling reflection.
Wittgenstein's philosophical waffling is of course most valuable, and
what I am saying is that it is misrepresented by the description of
his view of philosophical problems as "problems in the use of
language". Are your perhaps saying that this is on the contrary a
fine description?

   >Yes he would call this a battle against metaphysics:

  This is good grepping! It certainly demonstrates that Wittenstein used
"metaphysics" as a term of abuse in BB at least. So let us suppose that
Wittgenstein did think of himself as an ardent foe of metaphysics. Does
it follow ("trivially") that Wittgenstein made no metaphysical claims, in
the sense of claims concerning "what is actually the
case about the world independent of humans, human investiagtion, and
human reasoning"?
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From: yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Subject: Off the wagon
Organization: Moi?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 06:15:51 GMT

Yeah, you guys are enablers, but I've managed for nearly a month to
continue driving when I was near a bookstore, and to keep from making
a special trip.  But Friday night, I was leaving dinner and walking
a couple of blocks, and there was this sign, "coffee shop/bookstore,
open NOW" and I fell off the wagon fershure.

(Saturday, then, I couldn't resist another visit to another used
bookstore.  I now have to refrain till after Christmas, but I may
make it. Total for the weekend, >$50.  We don't need to eat anyways.)

The best Friday find was _The World Encyclopedia of Comics_ ed. by Maurice
Horn, 1976.  What endeared me to this was the "Notary Sojac" part of the
entry under "Smokey Stover."  It didn't explain it, but the mere mention
was enough to convince me I hadn't completely lost my mind when I remember
and wonder about it.  The book is really full of information and fun comments.

Saturday, I got _Takeoff Two_, more satires by Randall Garrett (1986).  I 
loved _Takeoff_, also a Starblaze edition, but unfortunately, it was from the
library.  I know one of the people mentioned in the acknowledgements in
both books. This was a Major Find.  

The Resident Expert, aged 15, grabbed quite a few on Friday, too.  At least
they're keeping her quiet.

I should probably stop reading r.a.b., it calls to my addiction so strongly,
but Not Just Yet.  I Can Quit Any Time.  Sure.

--
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
                              | is a lot better than a few seconds of
                              | triumph.
CSUS depends on my every word.              Kinsella, _Box Socials_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:59:39 GMT

In article <_#214wq@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
 
> Well, you can start with "Boy Toy" and "Material Girl" and go from there.

I had thought about taking this approach, but stalled on the song "Papa
Don't Preach." In any case, readers of SEX will know that the persona in
that book does in fact have a name: Dita.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I can solve this Orient Express thing without
mnemonic@eff.org| breaking a sweat. It's that simple."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot
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From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.history
Subject: Re: Crystal Palaces
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:56:48 GMT
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx


In Harold Pinter's short play "Victoria Station," the physically,
existentially, and perhaps temporally lost cabdriver infuriates
his dispatcher by claiming to be parked right next to the Crystal
Palace--which, as has been pointed out, had been destroyed by
fire (did you really watch that, Fido?) quite a few years earlier.

Irrelevantly,

Kate


-- 
- - - - - - - -
kate@cactus.org
Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.
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From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: Balls etc. (was Madonna's new book)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:35:32 GMT

hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>Also, "Balls!"
>is a great expletive, while "Eggs!" or "Ovaries!" just doesn't do
>much for me.  

True, but if you combine all three, and think of a street-vendor...

    Balls!

    Eggs!

    O-o-o-o-varies!

--
Paul Callahan
callahan@cs.jhu.edu
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