From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: THE NEW BULLY OF THE BALKANS [ Part 3 from 4 ]
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:32:37 GMT

In article <Aug.28.23.58.11.1992.8402@pilot.njin.net> hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.001713.12025@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
>
>> 	I have only one question which is constantly ignored. What the hell
>> is the Star of the ancient Makedon kings doing on their flag !!!!
>
>I have a simple question. Lots of flags have stars. What's so special
>about this star ?
>

	One it was the Symbol of the ancient Makedon kings and the
star on the flag is exactly like the one fount in the excavations
a couple of decades ago. They used that star to represent them.

>
>> I mean the Albaniens disagree with it and the Shopjiens desided to
>> place a lion on the flag (Or is it a two headed eagle) but also include
>> the star !!!! 
>
>If I recall correctly, the two headed eagle was used by many
>peoples including Germans, Seljuks, Poles; and goes back to
>the Illyrians (Albanians' ancestors). What's the big deal ?
>The Arabs don't have a patent on the crescent; Switzerland
>doesn't have a patent on the cross; and I doubt that one out of
>a thousand (if not one out of million) people have any idea
>of what the Makedonian Star is about.
>

	I am not questioning the other symbol. But they are trying to use Symbols
from ancient Makedonia. When the excavations from Vergina depicting
the Greekness of Ancient Makedonia there was a protest happening outside
the museum. They complained that Makedonien artifacts were in their and not Greek. I wonder if they made an attempt to see what was on display. I mean
even I could read and understand what was inscribed. Could they. (This was
Greek writting)
>
>> 	One Albaniens will take their part from their republic as well as
>> from kosovo (is it called that) from pre Yougoslavia. They will not be
>> able to support themselvs and either join A new Yougoslavia or become an
>> economicly supported puppet by either Bulgaria or Turkey. Case on
>
>How can Macedonia become a puppet of any kind of Turkey ? If they
>are Macedonians, they will want to stay independent. If they
>are not Macedonians (as some people claim) then maybe they'll
>decide they're Bulgarians after all ?
>

	They can only make choises if they are in the position to do so.
If they choose Turkey as their gardien angel then who wuill stop them ?


>
>> they will fade into non existance as Bulgaria will slowly mix
>> the cultures and make a uniform people out of the two countries. 
>
>Well, are they Bulgarians or Macedonians ?
>

	If they feal diffrent or they want to have their own country
that is their right. No one stops them. But they shouldn't use
our culture for their foundations.

>
>> Turkey on the other hand will use them to creat tention in the region
>> but as a result will isolate them from all neighbours. 
>
>As if the Balkans needed anyone stoking the fires to create tension ?

	Sad point. But Greece is a very stable nation. Some might think
that it would be an advantage to Turkey to make Greece as unstable as
ex-Yougoslavia. I mean how far behind Greece (if at all) was Yougoslavia
a couple of years ago. How fortunate if they could get Greece into the war ?


>
>>This will
>> not live for long enough though. Their best card is with Greece.
>
>There you go. Why doesn't Greece negotiate with Macedonia ?
>They get to keep the name Macedonia-Matsedonya-Makedonja or some
>variation of it, in return for friendly-economic relations with
>Greece.

	Hey wait a minute, that's my point. Trade your name in,
which does not belong to you but to Greece and Greeks
ie. see reality and you will live a more stable and friendly life
with their neighbours

>
>> They have the EC, NATO. They are the more Economicly powerful country
>> in the regeon. They can (And have already) ensured their boarders.
>> To Greece they can offer something. They are their road to Europe
>> to other countries they have nothing to offer. They are still
>> holding out though. 
>
>
>I thought Europe was to the north of Macedonia/Skopje :-)..
>

	Greece is Europe, Skopjia can become Europe if it want's.


>
>> 	Oh well let's see were the logic of the Star of the ancient Makedon
>> kings will get them.
>> 	George
>
>Probably nothing but ridicule if there's absolutely no truth
>in any of their claims. Why not let the world shame them into
>becoming Bulgarians or whatever it is that you contend they
>are, instead of fighting over a patented-name (tm).
>
>If this continues, people will be forbidden to name their children
>Alexander, Zeus, etc. They say that imitation is the sincerest
>form of flattery. If Egyptians, Turks, Nigerians, Chinese
>start naming their sons Alexander, it should be considered
>an honor. If there's absolutely no truth to any of the
>Macedonian claims, then they will be the laughing stock of
>the world, since their name or their existence isn't going to
>change history, unless they strike a huge oil field and buy
>out all the historians of the world for a few centuries.
>-- 
>
>	mark	
>
>
>   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
> ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu

	It is not a questio of copying just a name. 
It is bringing up two or more genarations of people beleaving that they
are decendents of someones else past for evil reasons.
 	George


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