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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: NEC 3D with A3000/A4000?
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:44:51 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct13.123857.11064@crash> johnl@crash.cts.com (John Lindwall) writes:
> Has anyone used a NEC 3D on an A3000 or A4000?  How do you like it?
> Does it handle all Amiga graphic modes?  Does it allow overscan?
> 
> The 3D is rated for a 15.75 kHz horiz sync rate (at the lower bound):
> is this close enough to 15 kHz to be able to handle all the graphic
> modes from the A4000 (15 kHz)?

The "15 KHz" mentioned in referece to the Amiga is really 15.75 KHz,
the standard NTSC/PAL horiztal sync rate, so no problem there.

Check the spec's and see if says "non-interlaced", some NEC's don't
do interlace very well and are best avoided it you want to either
do NTSC video or play with the new A4000 super-72 interlaced modes.

On the other hand, if you want want a general purpose monitor for
text and graphics, it'll work fine...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 is HERE : )
Organization: Organization
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:52:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.060236.5656@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <35600@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>
>   Actually, 8M addressing would be 23-bit.  But anyway, why did you have to

  Only if you need byte addressing.  If you address words, you only
need 22 bits (the lowest bit is always zero).

>   It is interesting that you have confirmed that the Agnus core has not been
>updated very much.  This leaves two of the original Big Three Amiga chips that

  It is interesting that you would interpret his statement that way,
since all he said was that the core had not been updated to 22
address bits.

>   Are you now confirming that no upgrades to the Alice chip are being planned
>as updates to existing systems?  If not, then why are you saying that the

  If he said nothing about it, how could he be "confirming" it??????????


-- 
  the relevant guy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: Hans Ridder <ridder@zso.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Originator: ridder@zowie.zso.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:20:47 GMT

In article <35767@cbmvax.commodore.com> mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz) writes:
>
> [Mike explains when we'll really get an interlaced display on the A4000.]
>
Ahhh, thanks Mike!  Finally someone explains it in plain English.

>Go play with an A4000 and use programs with it.  Bring up DPaint III
>(not IV) or ProPage or FinalCopy or most any other program.  Make sure
>you have turned on the promotion mode and, if you want scan-doubling,
>also the VGA-ONLY icon.

I will.  I think I understand what "promotion" means.  I'm not clear on
what "scan-doubling" is or how it relates to promotion.  Does
scan-doubling here mean the same as it does for the Display Enhancer,
that is 200 lines at 15kHz are displayed as 400 lines at 30kHz?  Are
these the same as the DblNTSC/DblPAL modes?  What does "VGA-ONLY" do?
(I could guess.)

If I currently use an ~400 line interlaced display and de-interlace with
a Display Enhancer, how will that display on the A4000 and what do I
have to set to get it?  (All I *want* is ~400 lines without flicker, can
I get it and what is the scan frequency?)

>Notice that the PC market has 97% of the machines shipping with IDE as
>the *only* hard drive interface.  Notice also that this has not
>prevented much in the way of sales or usability.  Notice also that IDE
>costs *much* less to have on the motherboard than DMA SCSI does.
>
>Now, for me, I need SCSI.  So do others.  However, it is not a reason
>to call the machine useless.  In fact, if it were, most of the
>computers in the world (IBM-PCs, 97.4% of them) would be useless too.
>(I do want SCSI and so does the marketing department and so does Lou
>who had stated that the SCSI board will be made and that highend
>machines will be introduced with it on the motherboard in the future)

Good points.  And I agree with them mostly.  I think your logic above
ignores that the A4000 is supposed to be a "high-end" and a "multimedia"
system, whatever that means.  To me it means buyers want will tape
drives and CD-ROM, and the flexability of SCSI.

So a question to ask yourself is: "How many of the users buying an A4000
will need to buy a SCSI board to satisfy their needs?"  If the answer is
"most," or maybe even "very many," then I think IDE was a bad design
choice.  If most A4000 buyers are happy without a tape drive and/or a
CD-ROM drive, then it was a good choice.  The market will tell....

Also, I always thought the Amiga was more in the same class as a Mac,
not the PC, and Macs come with SCSI. ;-} ;-}

>|      /// Michael Sinz  -  Senior Amiga Systems Engineer              |

Thanks again for the info, Mike.

-hans
-- 
  Hans-Gabriel Ridder				Digital DECwest Engineering
  ridder@rust.zso.dec.com			Bellevue, Washington, USA
  {pacbell,pyramid,uunet}!rust.zso.dec.com!ridder
From: johnl@SDFSERV.hac.com (John Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Boing Optical Mouse
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:37:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: hacgate.23667
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company, El Segundo, CA

In article <Bw6vp4.5GI@ns1.nodak.edu> massee@plains.NoDak.edu (Craig Massee) writes:
[...]
>Certainly there must be others out there who are using 3-button optical mice
>with their Amiga, or is the 'Boing!' the only one?

Yes, sort-of.  For the past four years I've used a modified Mouse Systems
M3 optical mouse.  I think it's the same mouse as the Boing!, or was at one
time.  It's a surplus Sun-3 mouse; it even has the Sun Microsystems
nameplate on it.

The middle mouse button works fine.  For AmigaDOS, I wrote a screen blanker
that also flips screens when you press the middle mouse button.  It works
as expected under Amiga UNIX and the X Window System.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The crew faces deadly GURUs!  Next time on AmigaDOS: The Next Generation.
	+--------+			John Lee
	| HUGHES |
	+--------+			Internet: jhlee@hac2arpa.hac.com	
The above opinions are those of the user and not of those of this machine.
From: massee@plains.NoDak.edu (Craig Massee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Boing Optical Mouse
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:51:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bw6vp4.5GI
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Oct14.143102.3439@usl.edu> dfs5716@usl.edu (Seidel Daniel F) writes:
>In article <Bw3Isn.AB0@ns1.nodak.edu> massee@plains.NoDak.edu (Craig Massee) writes:
>>
>>I purchased a Boing Optical mouse (manufactured by MCS Tech.) well over
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>   Great Mouse!  Mine works flawlessly too! Lemme see ~3 years...
>
>>2 years ago and it has worked flawlessly.  However, lately I've noticed
>>that my middle button does not respond for any utilities that make
>>use of it, e.g. DME by Matthew Dillon.
>>
>>Does anyone owning one of these little critters have a functional middle
>>button, or did MCS Tech. disable it for use on the Amiga?  Is there a
>
>Hmmmmm  my middle mouse button works fine....(I think I use MMB)!

Yes, I understand that.  I've made command assignments to 'MMB' via DME
before and my middle mouse button simply does NOT work.  I've also used a
program (it's on a fred fish disk) lately that responds with return codes
depending on which button or combo of buttons you've clicked.  This program
is also supposed to detect the middle mouse button.

I am glad to hear that someones button does work on the thing.
Appearently, I've been blessed with a defective middle button. :-(

>>possibility of activating it if that's the case?  (I'm a software guy)
>>Any recommendations on other entirely optical mice with a working middle
>>button for the Amiga?

Certainly there must be others out there who are using 3-button optical mice
with their Amiga, or is the 'Boing!' the only one?
-- 
    ///
Craig/ SysOp, NightLine BBS --- (701) 281-0589 --- USR 14.4 D/S
 \XX/                          A3000 25MHz/180MB
massee@plains.ndsu.nodak.edu
From: Number_2@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us (Number 2)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Expanding a CDTV
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:45:03 GMT
Organization: The Village BBS

I finally got my CDTV really cheaply, and intend to use it as a standalone
multimedia machine to support real-time noise and lighting control for some
live role-playing games I run.

1) Will the now available A600 memory expansion cards work in a CDTV? I
think I need another 2 Meg of fast RAM.

2) Does anyone know how to get a joystick port (2nd mouse port). I'll be
hooking up an illumilink to the port if I can find a way. 

3) And now for the hard question:

     Has anyone put a hard drive in a CDTV? (Stop laughing....I'm serious)

     There appears to be enough clearance at the top of the case for an
ADIDE controller, and a fair amount of space between the power supply and
the expansion port for possibly even a 3.5" drive (a 2" will definitely
fit.)

4) Related to #3. On the processor board, there is a 50-pin or so connector
that has nothing plugged into it. Also, what is the interface to the CDROM
in a CDTV?

Moo
Frank Branham

Reply to vapspay@prism.gatech.edu
      or Number_2@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Frank Branham   Number_2@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us   
Sysop of the Village BBS - (404) 641-7819   "We want information!"
And always seeking more vampires in the Atlanta Area.
From: Dave_Birdsong@lppl.mi.org (Dave Birdsong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Hard drive does not keep spinning
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:45:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: lppl.Dave_Birdsong.05qc
Distribution: world
Organization: Les's Place BBS

I have the same problem with my seagate, it is called Sticktion and I just
don't turn the sucker off!!!!
and if it does stick I just hit the thing with a Hammer!!! NOT, I use a
small screw driver to move hte Flywheel and it spins.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Two A4000 questions
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:46:42 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <stefanb.718469719@hathi> stefanb@hathi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Becker) writes:
>stefanb@hathi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Becker) writes:
>
>>2) The C= Ethernet board (A205?) is a Zorro-II board. Does it use DMA to
>>   transfer its data? If it does, can it still be used in the A4000?
>
>I've just been told, that it doesn't use DMA. As it works in the A3000, I
>presume it'll work in an A4000.
>
>	Stefan

No need to presume.  This message is being composed on an A4000 and sent
to you via a standard A2065 card and AS225 software.  It works just fine
:)

Brian
       +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +
       Brian Jackson    Amiga Networking Group, Commodore-Amiga Inc.
                        bj@cbmvax.commodore.com
     {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!bj    or   networking@cbmvax.commodore.com
 "So", I asked myself, "What would Elvis do?"    uva uvam vivendo varia fit
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:21:48 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1bg0avINN6p4@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> jpotter@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Jonathan Potter) writes:
>In article <n0ba0t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

>>And who's fault is that?  NOT COMMODORE'S!  Its the fault of the programers
>>who didnt properly write their programs.  Complain to them, not commodore!

>That's not strictly true. Promotion will only be applied to screens that
>open using the 2.0+ functions using tag lists. Anything written before
>2.0 will not be promoted, but this does not mean it was not well written
>software.

How many times do you have to be told you're wrong before you stop spouting
nonsense.

Promotion applies to ANY OpenScreen() call that doesn't specifically request
video-compatibility.  The only way to specifically request video compatibility
is via tags, which didn't exist prior to 2.0.  Let me spell it out very simply, 
so even morons will understand and we can start arguing about something else.  

PROMOTION PROMOTES:

	Any 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 specific program that opens its screens in
	the AmigaOS specified fashion (eg, via OpenScreen() et al).

	Any 2.0, 2.1, or 3.0 program that uses the old screen opening methods
	or the tagged functions without explicitly asking for video 
	compatibility.

PROMOTION DOESN'T PROMOTE:

	Take-over-the-machine or similarly coded programs who make their own
	screens rather than let the OS do it.

	Any 2.0, 2.1, or 3.0 program that uses tags to specifically request
	a video compatible screen.

There now.  Everyone should understand what does and doesn't get promoted, and
you call stop lying about it.  Please.






-- 
Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See Yet)
 "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
              "I got a pocket full of kryptonite" -Spin Doctors
From: schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: MB kill file...
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:20:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: mike.schwager.718647641
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:

>I see a lot of people are putting MB into their killfiles...  I have a *better*
>solution!  Yes!  Why don't the people who run c.s.a.a put him in THEIR killfile?

Ok, we have a problem here.... everybody who knows better will be putting
MB into their killfiles.  This leaves the poor hapless brand new Amigoid at
the mercy of his half-truths.  We need a volunteer who will keep an eye out
for his postings and post replies explaining how Mark is wrong and why.

Yes, it's a dangerous and thankless job, you may not come back alive, but
if you're brave and worthy please take 1 step forward...

(shuffle shuffle shuffle)

(visual: everybody takes one step back...)

:-)
-Mike
From: faith@amiganet.chi.il.us (Fred Drummand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Everything you Always Wanted FORSALE!
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:06:55 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


 
 Heres what I Have, and if anyonw wants any of this Please Make Offers
 In MAIL.
 
 AMIGA
 ------
 A500 rev 5 1 meg agnus
 2.0 Workbench Rom And Wb Book
 68010 Processor
 Adram540 with 4 megs installed
 Dataflyer 500/2000 Hard drive controller up to 8 more megs ram.
 200 Watt Power supply
 Seagate 49 Meg Hard Drive
 Quantum 42 meg hard drive
 Commodore 1701 Composite Monitor.
 A520 Video Adapter
 Golden Image Mouse/Joystick
 Much Software
 ECE Midi Interface
 Supra 14.4K Fax Modem With Warrenty
 
 
 Music
 ----
 Tascam Porta One 4 Track Recording Mini-Studio
 Yamaha PSS-480 Keyboard.
 Toshiba Portable Cd Player Walkman With Fm/Am Stereo
 Unisphere I Sure Microphone
 1 8 Channel Peavey Mixing board With Effects loop, Built In Reverb
   3 band Eq for each Channel, mike inputs, or regular guitar chord
   Sub Outs, Returns.  Good Condition
 1 Lifestyle 1000 Rowing Machine that is also a bench press, butterfly, curls,
   its one of those puppies that changes around all nicely.
 
 If Interested In Anything, Make Offers!  IF Your Not sure whats its worth ASK
 ME IN MAIL!
 
 
 

Fred Drummand
Collumbia College
Graphic Arts Major
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin)
Subject: Re: 23 Pin DSUB Supplier ???
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:29:48 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I ordered some stuff from SAFE HARBOR and when it arrived, there was a flier 
of products, prices, etc included.  Among the other goodies listed were 
DB-23 male and female connectors.  The prices were around $2.40 and $2.80 (US).
Give them a call.  They usually have ads in Amiga World and Amazing Computing
where you can get their phone number.

Ob. disclaimer: Other than being a reasonably satisfied customer, I have no
affiliation with Safe Harbor.  (I'd be fully satisified if the CD-ROM I    
ordered ever gets off back order :)  

Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com
From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy an A3000 now?
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:23:12 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

In article <1992Oct7.124137.14637@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
writes:
>The price drop in the A3000 has affected 2nd hand prices and I
>am being offered one for 1200 pounds. I was thinking of getting
>this rather than an accelerated A2000.
>
>The question is: is it foolish to get an A3000 in terms of
>future upgrade/compatability? An A4000 is out of reach but
>if CBM introduce an '030 based AGA machine will it make the
>A3000 obsolete, or will the A3000 be able to move with the
>times?
>
>So, get the A3000, or wait for a cheap AGA?
>
>--
>Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
>Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
 
Good question.  Basically two things are true.  1)If you buy an A3000 today, it
will be pretty obsolete when low end AGA, or the "officially rumored" AGA+
chips are introduced.  2)In two years, chances are that retargetable graphics
will be available on the Amiga, and video peripherals will be around for the
A3000 to support it, keeping the machine viable.  Therefore, you need a machine
*today*, and can only afford the A3000, and don't need the neato AGA graphics,
then get the A3000.  If you can afford to wait, wait.  Either way, in two years
you will be able to afford 24 bit.
 
John
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: HAM-E -=> A4000 HAM8?
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:42:18 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct13.153254.18291@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk writes:
> I could be wrong here but in may this year I read
> and artical in a UK Amiga magazine that said that
> Commodore were frantically hunting around for a
> custom graphics hardware. The artical said that
> CBM approached Digital Creations (of DCTV fame)
> with regards to buying the rights to the DCTV
> hardware. The deal got off to a good start but
> latter fell on rocky ground. Next Commodore 
> sought to make a similar deal with the people
> who used to supply the HAM-E hardware & Software.

The article was mostly likely at least half incorrect
and wholely exaggerated, though I don't claim to know
what every division of Commodore is up to at all times.

> Is the AGA HAM8 mode a development of HAM-E or
> was it developed independantly by Commodore. I
> know what the AGA HAM8 can do, but unfortunatly
> I an not aware of what HAM-E used to do, so alas
> I am not in a possition to comment further.

No.

AGA 8-bit HAM is just an obvious extension of the original
6-bit HAM scheme and owes nothing to HAM-E.  I'm not even
sure anyone involved in specifying the AGA chips knew the
details of the HAM-E implementation.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: adamm@otc.otca.oz.au (Adam Mulukin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A4000 (AGA) and A2320 De-Interlacer card
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:52:14 GMT
Organization: OTC
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXMessage-ID: <A703393D44010274@alanb.research.otc.com.au>
X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:05:33 GMT

Just wondering about the A4000's new video slot and old video cards. I
assume that old cards that lived in the old style video slot will work in
the A4000, is this correct?

If this is right, then is it possible to use the old 2320 de-interlacer
card with the new A(G)A chips to de-interlace 640*400 interlace? This
would save using the new dbl* video modes and hence save bandwidth,
although you could only have a display that was 4 bits deep. What will
the 2320 do if it encounters a 640*400 interlaced display in the new 8
bit modes?


Adam

adamm@otc.otca.oz.au
From: stbrisc@bcars596.Berkeley.EDU (Victor Menasce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Internal Serial Port BUSY?
Keywords: SERIAL PORT INTERNAL
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:53:40 GMT
Reply-To: stbrisc@bcars596.Berkeley.EDU (Victor Menasce)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

I have an amiga 2000hd with a 2232 card in it for added serial ports.... Whenever I attempt to access my ser: i get a 'object in use' error... and when i try to open the unit (unit 1 which is internal port), with any term software, i get a guru... Can someone help me?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy an A3000 now?
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:39:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.210445.3309@news.iastate.edu>, Marc Barrett (now I'll have to
go put money in the swear-box) writes:

>In article <ym2asB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> vidiot@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Rankin Eric) writes:
>>PS.  If I understand what my local C= dealer told me, there is a 
>>video enhancer built into the ALICE chip (I think that's her name).  Is 
>>this not correct?  (this question is not directed at you, Dan, I would 
>>rather take advice from Bill Gates).

>   No, it is not correct.  The "promotion" feature is software-only.  If a
>program (such as an old, unsupported utility or game) insists on opening an
>interlaced screen, the screen will be opened as interlaced and there will be
>nothing you will be able to do about it.

I'm quite sure that some programmer (that's right MB, someone who actually does
something *useful* for the Amiga community) will come up with a patch to solve
this little problem, just like they have for PAL/NTSC.

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>              A4000: JUST SAY NO!!!

-Eyvind (eyvind@lise.unit.no)
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000 graphics
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:44:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.215514.6713@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>I believe that some folks are upset that the max-overscan is something
>like 676 under the DblBLAH modes instead of 724 under BLAH with the
>flickerfixer on the A3000.  Personally, I'm willing to give up those 48 
>pixels for the extra speed, color, etc., but some folks may not be.  

   I have said this before, and I don't know why I have to keep saying it.
The point for many people (especially myself) is not the magnitude of the
decrease in non-interlaced resolution from the A3000 to the A4000.  The 
point is that the resolution has not been improved at all.  Several months
ago, somebody asked me about features that would have to be in the A4000
for me to accept it as satisfactory.  One of the ones that I stated was
800x600 non-interlaced resolution, and many people agreed with me.  (I am
pretty sure one of them was you, BTW)

>Skip Sauls
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
      Slick Willie Clinton: JUST SAY NO!!!
QUIT
e Clinton: JUST SAY NO!!!