From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Re: I.N.S.
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:52:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.212059.7673@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
>sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep22.191857.2642@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sborders@nyx.cs.d
>.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
>>>templef@columbia.dsu.edu (Fred Temple) writes:
>>>
>>>>The Immigration & Naturalization Service
>>>>is full of xenophobic, racist bigots!
>>>>Damn them all to Hell!
>>>
>>>The INS is just a group of people doing a job:  
>>                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Yeah Sure ! So was the LAPD in the case of Rodney King ! 
>>..stuff deleted
>
>>>As I live in the midwest, immigration is rarely an issue.  
>>...stuff deleted
>>Sounds like a "I'm allright Jack. Keep your hands off of my stack" attit
>de !
>
>>>
>>>Scott Borders |  "Feels like I'm losin' time at a
>>>              |   breakneck pace."
>
>>Sid Nag
>
>Why, thank you for taking my orignal post completely out of context!
>First, the officers in the Rodney King case were abusing their positions
>as members of the LAPD.  If you look at their actions, and then imply
>that every LA police officer pulls minorities out of cars and beats
>them, then you are as guilty as any other bigot that judges a group
>based on the actions of a few members of the group.

First off, let me re-clarify my point so that you don't go accusing me
of taking you out of context and hoping you don't do the same.
Just as implying every LAPD officer pulls minorities out of cars is
inappropriate. Similarly implying every Immigration officer is a 
xenophobic racist is inappropriate. However, the point being here is
large number of immigrant officers are xenophobic. Besides, why blame
the immigrant officers ? - As you say they are just doing a job. Right ?
They are just adhering to set policies. Has it ever occurred to you
though Mr. Borders, that the policies in themselves may be xenophobic
in nature ? Especially against people who are not Caucasians ?
Let me provide you with some facts, and then maybe you will be a little
more educated in this domain. Let's consider the case of immigrants from
India for example. It is one of immigration history's tantalizing ironies,
that even at its peak, the Indian emigrant community barely touched the
shores of the biggest recipient of immigrants in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Fewer than 700 Indians are known to have entered the US until the 20th
century, due to discriminatory immigration policies.
Beginning in the early 1900s, a few Indians were recruited to work on the 
Canadian Paciic Railways and some made their way south. Although their
numbers never exceeded 6000 in all of US between 1904-1923, they stirred
much alarm with the media cautioning gravely of an impending "Hindoo
invasion". Many left the US due to this. It was not until 1946 when
Congress finally granted Indians the right to citizenship.
If all of this is not xenophobic, I don't know what is ? And if your
retort is "they were just doing their job", I would be utterly 
appalled at your naivete, Mr. Borders.
>
>Second, I pointed out my geographic location to make a point.  I have
>had no personal experience with this issue.  Why?  Because I live in a
>state that is not bordered by another country.  Does that mean that there
>are no illegal aliens in Nebraska?  Of course not.  What it does mean is
>that people living in Texas, California, etc. are much more likely to
>have firsthand experience.  The portion of my original post that you
>so kindly replace with ". . . stuff deleted" was a request for these
>people to post their opinions on the matter, nothing more.
>
Let me point out to you certain immigration policies which are clearly
designed to discourage immigration from India atleast. When I was
applying for my Permanent Residency, the INS wanted me to provide them
with a Birth Certificate as proof of my birthdate. They would NOT
accept my Passport which also contains my birthdate as proof. Now it
so turns out that in India, birth certficates are often not issued. So
one has to go through hoops to produce an affidavit from one's parents
in India that indeed one was born on a given day. The simple thing for 
the INS to do in this case would be to accept the Passport as proof.
But you see Mr. Borders, that is not the way the INS sees it. They are
only doing a job you see ;-)
Besides your geographic location, has got nothing to do with your ignorance
of the world around you Mr. Borders. Shed thyself of your "frog in the
well" attitude - Or at least stop displaying it.
>
>I fail to understand how you equate a query for information from those
>who are better informed with an "I'm allright [sig] Jack . . ." attitude.
>BTW, you'll notice that I did not delete any portion of your posting,
>and with good reason.  Nothing I say could have as eloquently pointed
>out your idiocy.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^     
I hope with the above facts and explanations I have successfully assigned
to you, the same attributes that you assigned to me in your post ;-)
Also, to satisfy your soul, I haven't deleted a single byte of your 
transmission. I guess bandwidth comes cheap these days. So what the heck !
>
>            Scott "still-looking-for-an-intelligent-followup" Borders
>
>--
 
Sid "still-looking-for-alleged-intelligience-in-this-society"

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