From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:09:35 GMT

dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>I don't post very frequently.  Does that mean I have no say in how things
>are decided?

Not at all.

>Your elitism disgusts me.  You are saying that because I'm not knowledgable
>to drone on about esoteric sound generation theories and how to depict a
>sex change operation in General MIDI that I have no right to any voice on
>how this newsgroup is conducted.  Kindly go to hell.  My opinion and input
>is just as important as your, because without people like me, no one would
>care about what you had to say.

Well then, I guess you'll appreciate it when I say that there are probably
hundreds more who cannot email who's opinions are just as important. What
makes you able to vote in spite of them?

>Your philosophy seems to be "If you can't be right, be wrong as loud as you
>can."

And another assumption flies in the face of reality. 

>So how do we go about deciding who is privileged enough to vote?  Should I
>post one junk post a day just so my viewpoint is legitimate?  Or will you
>be assessing posting content as well in deciding who is a 'real'
>participant in this group?

Look, those stats are admittedly not as accurate or as fair as they should
be. Neither was the vote. The "point" has been made over and over again...
the expression of it changes to suit the response. Here:

The subject lines said "CFV: rec.music.makers.* groups". There was no 
indication of any correlation with the rec.music.synth groups. At the very
least, a revote should be held with this one subject separate from the rest
of the votes, with a clear and precise subject line so that ALL people
in rec.music.synth are made aware of this. 

I would also like it if some way were made so that those out there on
the BBS echos could vote their minds also. 

>You fail to see that THE PARTICIPANTS ARE NOT LIMITED JUST TO THOSE WHO
>POST ARTICLES.

Good grief...I DO NOT. <nyahh> The participants are far more than you or
I know about. 

>>Those who use them do not have to be musicians (or can't you tell by today's
>>musical standards). They could be sound card owners, hardware designers,
>>or software engineers. 
>OOOOH!!  You elitist scum!!  I suppose that MIDI music is somehow less
>valid than 'real' music played by 'real' musicians.  The guys in alt.guitar
>would love you.  

Say, man, let's not get so personal and stick to the topic. For your 
information, I do *lots* of MIDI music. I also do lots of live music. 
I don't make a distinction unless some dweeb brings up the fact that
there is one. 

What I was referring to was the fact that not all music "makers" use MIDI
equipment and/or participate in the group. 

{rest of the flames deleted}
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Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
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