From: kishore@argo.rice.edu (Ananda Kishore)
Subject: Re: ..... BeeBatsam....
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:45:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.123920.10547@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
|> 	This article is posted for seetamraju, since his news server is down
|> 	today. Followups should be directed to "uds@cs.wayne.edu".
|> 
|> 	Siva Prasad.
|> 
      [...]
|> 
|> rit program uses two formats.  Clearly, the rir script sucks.  Here it is :-
|> 

This is probably a disservice to the Rice Inverse Transliterator (rit)
program. I am surprised to see that parts of rit are posted here, and 
we kept on telling that we have not yet gone public :-(

The rir (Rice Internal Representation) format referred to above is 
not supposed to be used by humans. It is simply the internal data
representation that rit uses. (Alas, someone may later say we are 
using 0's and 1's in binary format to represent Telugu letters!
Can't help it.)

Fortunately, rit doesn't require users to represent Telugu
by strings of 0's and 1's or by the rir. We expect users to follow
the Rice Transliteration Standard (rts) to represent Telugu information. 
(We also expect them to spend about 30 min to read its definition
"rtsdefn", and also hope they wouldn't read all the sedfiles and
the unix shell scripts.:-)

I have already posted the Standard here, but I am impelled to post
a part of its definition, in the wake of the above confusion:

Table RTS:
_____________________________________________________________________


    a    aa=aaa=a'    i    ee=ii=ia=i'    u    oo=uu=U=ua=u'

    R    Ru    e     ea=ae=E=e'    ai   o    oe=O=oa=o'    au=ou



    k         kh=K=Kh        g        gh=G=Gh      ~m

    c=ch      C=Ch           j        jh=J=Jh      ~n

    T=t'      Th=th'         D=d'     Dh=dh'       N=nh=n'

    t         th             d        dh           n

    p         f=P=ph=Ph      b        bh=B=Bh      m



    y   r   l   v=w   S=s'   sh   s   h   L=lh=Lh=l'  x=ksh   ~r


Throughout, h  = H.
alu (archaic)  = ~l
aloo (archaic) = ~L
arasunna = @M
visarga  = @h
avagraha (used in Sanskrit) = @2
na pollu (arachaic) = @n
null operation = _  (underscore) (see below)

Syllable break = ^  (see below)
Force combination = & (see below)
For "sunnaa", see below.

tcha (allophone of c, now extinct) = ~c
tja  (allophone of j, now extnict) = ~j

________________________________________________________________________

("see below" -> "see the full definition in a previous posting")

[....]

|> 
|> The following is a script accepted by rit.  It has some features that I dont
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is not. Please see below.

|> like...
|> 
|>  The vowels:
|>  a	A	i	I	u	U	rx	Rx[muk]
|>  e	E	y	o	O	ow	M	ah[muk]
|>  The Consonants
|>  k	kh	g	gh	NG[muk]
|>  c	ch	j	jh	nx[muk]
|>  T	Th	D	Dh	N[muk]
|>  t	th	d	dh	n[muk]
|>  p	ph	b	bh	m[muk]
|> Y	r	R	l	L	v	S	Sh	s	H	
|> Xh[muk]
|> 
|> I dont like  - A I U y  (in vovels), and - Y & Xh.
|> Shouldnt we use the semicolon instead of ah in the vowels.??
|> 


The above is * not * the Rice Transliteration Standard. (For example,
notice RTS doesn't use A or I. More examples: rx, Rx, NG, nx, Xh,..)
It is the transliteration scheme used by TeluguTeX program, developed
by the Mukkavillis (Lakshmi and Lakshmana Kumar). Since we have
configured our program, *currently*, as a front-end to theirs,
we have to translate the RTS to the scheme TeluguTeX uses. Hence,
these internal data files. There is simply no reason to look at
rir or at the scheme used by TeluguTeX. Those are our problems,
not the users. 

[ rir deleted ]


It is really my mistake not to tell the persons beta-testing our
program explicitly that this program is not yet in the public domain,
and that its internal details and pieces may not be posted on
the net - since they could confuse the others who haven't seen
the program. But I thought that by "beta-testing" this is understood :-(

Of course, one can always criticize and review the program - but
all I ask is this: criticize the input-output behaviour of the
software, not its internal data files. 

I appreciate all the persons beta-testing this software. I know
that it takes a lot of time and effort to do that. We have already
benefited from their feedback. We are very grateful to them. 


|> 
|> Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
|> (email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
|> 
|> *********************************************************************************************


kishore