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From: emmart@cs.unc.edu (Niall Emmart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT's 3.0/CD-ROM, order of shipping...
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:28:00 GMT
Reply-To: emmart@cs.unc.edu
Organization: Microelectronic Systems Laboratory, UNC Chapel

Hello.
   I received news from my campus bookstore that NeXT will not be shipping
my CD-ROM drive until sometime around December 7. The 3.0 CD is sitting
at the bookstore. 
   The other day I saw a post on the net:

Monty C. Brandenberg writes:
> I suspect that the problem lies with your reseller and not with NeXT.
> I ordered the 3.0/CD-ROM bundle hours before the end of the special
> $695 offer and I installed it yesterday (and it arrived days before
> that).  Looks like some other entity dropped the ball....

   NeXT received my order July 31st. I was wondering if anyone had placed
their order after mine, and has received their drive. If so, I would like
to hear from you (name and perhaps order number if you have that avaialble).

   If it is the case that NeXT shipping has been out of order, I would like
to point out the problem to NeXT so it can be fixed. I think this is a 
highly unfair policy. 

   I will summarize if anyone is interested.
 
   Sincerely,
      Niall Emmart
From: nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Weaver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: 3.0 Questions.
Date: 2 Oct 1992 22:23:37 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu


	Well, I just got 3.0, and installed it the same day.  Now, after
playing with it, it does seem slightly slower.  Partly, this seems to be
from the animation involved.  If I recall correctly, I turned off most of
the animation (set the speed to fast) on 2.1, but I don't see that option
anywhere anymore in either the preferences or the Workspace Preferences.
Can you change the animation, or get rid of it all together?

	And, when playing wiht the 3d stuff, and trying to print it out, I
select "localhost", and it gives me a "Can't connect to localhost" error
when trying to print out that stuff.  This I thoght was strange to begin
with, as my hostname was "inferno" before.  So I opened up HostManager, and
did whatever it is to change hostname to "inferno".  THe main icon was still
inferno however.  Did I do something wrong here?  When printing again, it
gives me a choice between inferno AND localhost.  Thinking something was up,
I changed the hostname back to localhost.  I don't know if this is a mistake
or not.  However, I just tried to print a moment ago, and it still doesn't
work.  the note on both one's is "Local >& /dev/null" and it still has
inferno listed as well as local host (I have yet to restart).  What am I
doing wrong?  And how can I get it to print 3D stuff yout (i'm using a
standard NeXT printer on a standalone old-style slab.)
-- 
                             Nicholas C. Weaver
nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu                           nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu
It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, .signifying nothing.
#include <stdwittydisclaimer.h>
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From: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Subject: ROM boot command
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:38:03 GMT

OK,

Let's say I'm in the rom monitor ( i.e. the NeXT> prompt ).  I want to change  
the boot parameter such that the device at SCSI address 4 is the default boot  
device.  I have 4 devices on the bus.  

	internal 100meg		SCSI 1
	internal floppy		SCSI 7
	cdrom drive		SCSI 2
	external 400meg		SCSI 4  <--- boot from here!!!!

Exactly what do I enter at the "boot command" prompt ?

Thanks^6

--
Ronald Pomeroy
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM/EIS Applications Group
Austin, Texas
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: C579819@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Subject: Need information on Zilla.app (Distributed processing)
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 20:39:05 CDT

Does anyone on the net have any ideas or experiences on using Zilla?
It's an application for distributed processing and I would appreciate it
if someone on the group who knows this e-mail me. Please do not only post
to the groups as I have little access to it and would prefer it if you
could send it to my email account.
Kevin Yoon
c579819@mizzou1.missouri.edu
"GO TIGERS!!!!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner)
Subject:  Would like to build apps using ANSI C and C++, any guides avail.???
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:02:18 GMT

	I'm taking some computer classes, and none of them use Objective
C yet.  I'd like to be able to build apps using C and C++ so that I
can work with IB.  There are a few terse documents on how to put C code
into IB, and so forth, but they are too confusing for a beginner.  Can 
someone recommend a book written specifically with the NeXT in mind, that
discusses the key differences in the langauges and gives program examples
of all three, using IB?  I do have programming examples for Objective
C, so that isn't as important to me.  Thanks in advance.

Rich

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bnocker@puma.cosy.sbg.ac.at (Bernhard Nocker)
Subject: WHICH multimedia hypertext systems to use???
Keywords: multimedia hypertext infomation-center
Organization: University of Salzburg / Austria
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:57:01 GMT


Hi all!

We are looking for multimedia hypertext systems.
We have seen the CraftMan Demo and were impressed but not yet satisfied!
 
Which one are you using, for what, where to get them, advantages,  
disadvantages???

Please reply and I will summarize!

Thanks in advance,
Bernhard.
--
Bernhard Nocker                          Beware root :-)
University of Salzburg's Department of Computing Studies
Jakob-Haringerstr. 5	5020 Salzburg    Austria, Europe
+43-662-8044/6750		  bnocker@cosy.sbg.ac.at
From: alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Need EPS graphics
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:52:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.80886

Hello. I am in need of some elaborate EPS graphic files for use in a  
printer comparison booklet. I don't care what the pirtures are actually of  
so long as they are detailed and impressive. Send me whatever you like...  
my gratitude will be measureless.

--
***************************************
Alex Currier
Texas Union MicroCenter
University of Texas at Austin

NeXTmail Preferred
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Pathetic news from NeXT--what's new??
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:10:40 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <joer.36.717781768@inca.law.csuohio.edu> joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes:
>Hello fellow NeXTers:
[all too common story deleted]

You think THAT's bad?  NeXT lost my first order, and I didn't know this for
sure until 4 or so weeks after I sent it in.  So I sent in another order and
got parts of my order that week; of course, the missing piece was the CD ROM
drive.  Well, apparently NeXT found the first order because they tried to
cash the first check which was cancelled; they almost cancelled my order but
luckily I thought they might do something like that so I had that
straightened out (well, someone else did it, she's probably reading this now,
and I'll say Thanks! to Lianne again).

I ordered a CD ROM well before 8/1/92 and I'll have to wait too.

But hey, at least I have the 3.0 upgrade CD.  Ooooh aaaah.

>Greatly disappointed,

You ain't alone.  This sucks.

>Joe Rosenfeld
>joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu
------
Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted)
------
I would have promised those terrorists a trip to Disneyland if it would have
gotten the hostages released.  I thank God they were satisfied with the
missiles and we didn't have to go to that extreme.
- Oliver North
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Subject: Re: Comments on 3.0 thus far
In-reply-to: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu's message of 28 Sep 92 00:24:36 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
	<HARDY.92Sep27172432@golem.ps.uci.edu>
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:06:18 GMT

In article <HARDY.92Sep27172432@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu I wrote:
|
|   After reading about the malfunctioning of find under 3.0 I compiled 
|   gnu find3.7 to test it before I upgrade.  It autoconfigures and
|   compiles very easily and is much better than the old find, anyway.
|   I don't have 3.0 yet, but am ready ...
|   I could not live without updatedb, locate xargs, etc. 

One caveat: you may want to  edit the updatedb script to avoid scanning
any nfs mounted file systems; I did not at first, and ran out of disk
space during the sorting (after my swap file had become inflated). 
--
Hardy 
-----
Meinhard E. Mayer,  Department of Physics, UC Irvine 
e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: yoda@next2.cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther)
Subject: SLIP doesnt work
Keywords: SLIP
Reply-To: yoda@next2.cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther)
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:36:36 GMT


I have tried to install the PD SLIP from Mamakos, but I cant get it to work
properly. Can anyone who uses it please help me, cause I dont know what
to do now.

If I ping from home to the next at university, the modem dials,
logs into the slip account, and the ping packets are transferred
to the remote host, but none are sent back. The same thiing happens
when I have started a background ping process at the remote host,
the packets are sent to me, but none are sent back to the remote.

the config.slip looks like this (at home):
SLIP0LOCAL= 129.187.148.131
SLIP0REMOTE= 129.187.148.130
SLIP0NETMASK=255.255.255.0
SLIP0CONFIG=SLIP
SLIP0DEFAULT=YES

the config file of the server has the ip adresses exchanged, and its
ethernet ip adress is 129.187.148.46, and the default is of course NO.

the netstat -r output looks ok to me.

I dont even know what to try next, so please anyone help me :-)
I WANT to use SLIP !!!!

Yoda
From: geoff@ITcorp.com (Geoff Kuenning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Dropping bundled applications (was: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow)
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:14:30 GMT
Organization: Interrupt Technology Corporation, Chatsworth, CA

I have to confess that I'm more than a bit distressed at NeXT about
their approach to unbundling.  One of the main reasons I bought a cube
was because it came with much more software than the competition.
Now, NeXT is gradually dropping that software from their upgrades.
First they decided to stop shipping Mathematica to all customers.
That was acceptable, because they still supported existing customers,
but it was a sign of things to come.  Now, having suckered us into
creating at least occasional WriteNow documents, they've dropped it
from 3.0.  At least I've been warned, so I can squirrel away my 2.1
version before I lose all the files (fortunately not many) I've
created over the past several years, but once again I have to wonder
about Jobs' commitment to supporting existing customers, and about his
general ethical quotient.  When I was in the existing-customer
business, I (and more importantly, my employer) bent over backwards to
make sure that future releases were still available to the people who
had been with us since the dinosaur days, and that no significant
functionality was lost to people who had grown to depend on it.

I can see the basic NeXT of 1996:

	$500 (compared to $50 for a basic 1996 PC)
	128 Meg RAM (enough for kernel and 2 nbufs)
	72 Gig disk (enough to hold only the "starvation" release)
	Mach kernel (/etc/init and /etc/rc optional)
	NextStep 7.2 available installed or via telepathic modem
	Backup by copying bits from the screen to a yellow pad.

How come the release keeps getting bigger, yet the functionality
continues to shrink?
-- 
	Geoff Kuenning   geoff@ITcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Moving tiffs/EPS files from NeXT to Mac
Keywords: help!!!
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:30:30 GMT



We have been unable to move tiffs or EPS fils from our NeXTs to a Mac.  We  
tried many different programs on the Mac but none were able to read the tiff  
file.  We modified the type of the file so that the Mac thinks that it is a  
TIFF but there seems to be problems with the actual file structure.

We also tried to use Adobe Illustrator and save them as AI 3.0 compatible  
files with and without EPS header.  Neither attempt was successful.

Any other suggestions??  Any idea of which programs (Mac) will read tiffs  
generated on the NeXT (mono and color)????

--
Paul S. Sears                *  sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
The University of Houston    *  suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT
Engineering Computing Center *  comments, complaints, questions)
NeXT System Administration   *  DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC 
          >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<<
"Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: key@blacksea.csc.com (Gerry Key)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Installing NS 3.0 from a non-NeXT Host
Keywords: Installation NeXTStep CD-ROM
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:26:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA

We have a CR-ROM player connected to a Sun 4 which is part of the same NFS  
network as our NeXTs.  We are able to mount the CD player as a remote file  
system from the NeXTs, and it will read Sun CDs but not the NeXTStep 3.0  
CD.  

Is it possible to install NeXTStep 3.0 using this configuration, or must  
we disconnect the CD player from the Sun and plug it into one of the  
NeXTs?  

--Gerry Key 
Computer Sciences Corporation 
Internet: 		key@csc.com 
FAX: 			619.225.2583
Voice:			619.225.2504
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Edit.app in 3.0.  Goto Line # removed!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:34:49 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct6.230256.22628@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo) writes:
>In article <PAUL.92Oct6104321@music.sie.arizona.edu> paul@music.sie.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) writes:
>>Did I miss something, or did they actually remove the "jump to line #"
>>feature (command-l) from Edit?  How could they do this???
>>--paul
>
>	You need to order front Edit's Preferences panel, select "Developer
>Mode", quit and then restart Edit.  This will enable the Line Range menu under
>Edit->Find (among other goodies)!
>

Any idea on how to enable the auto indent?
Thanks,



-- 

		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: BlackHole fans!
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:05:23 GMT

todd@liveware.com writes
> The question might now be, what about SuperHack.  I guess we won't
> see it as a commercial software product.

I thought SuperHack was going to become a Preferences module?  I thought I had  
read that a while back on one of the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fl1ger@rrz.de (Ralf  Weber)
Subject: Re: ISDN-kit -- Does it exist?
Organization: Rhein-Rechenzentrum GmbH, Koblenz, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:44:32 GMT

vlahos@cubism.portal.com (Harry Vlahos) writes:
> How is someone supposed to do a sophisticated answering machine
> program if you cannot at least duplicate the current functionality
> of a $50 answering machine ?  I too was disappointed that you cannot
> do DTMF detection on POTS lines.  I am willing to shell out the money
> to buy ISDN Extender only if I can use it on a POTS line until
> I have something else to connect to using ISDN.  I believe that the
> POTS appliations far outweigh any ISDN application (at this time).
> I don't know anyone else besides the phone company that has ISDN !!!

Funny thing, on this topic. The 3.0 Sysadmin relase notes say:
	Release 3.0 currently supports AT&T and Northern Telecom
	switches.  Future releases will support European and 
	Japanese switches.
So it seems that in the US, where according to you nearly no one is  
using ISDN the ISDN kit can be fully used wheras in germany where ISDN  
is in a much further state of use (nearly every major west-german city  
has ISDN by now) it's totally unusable.

For me it would be absolute no problem to connect to my mail/news feed  
via ISDN and NeXT, both are available on both sides of the connection,  
but a little peace of software inbetween is missing :-(.

--
Ralf Weber			E-Mail:	fl1ger@rrz.de
Rhein-Rechenzentrum GmbH	(NeXTMail preferred)
August-Horch-Strasse 28		CompuServe: 100024,1253
Postfach 1540			Voice:	+49 261 892-519
D-W5400 Koblenz, Germany	Fax:	+49 261 892-525

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Keywords: Peace and Quiet : -)
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:06:22 GMT

andrew@cubetech.com writes:

>In article <tlm.718249912@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Dr. T.L. Marchioro II) writes:
>>Sadly, there's little to do about it now (except complain, which we're all
>>quite good at :-) but perhaps I can offer a better solution to Louis' original
>>question --- i.e. a solution with pagenumbering, headers, etc. which runs on 
>>any NeXT --- which at least "calms the waters" on one aspect of this 
>>question.  Why not have everyone put their documentation in troff??
>>[...]


>Yuk.  Just use whatever Word/Document processor you want and save it
>in PostScript format.  If you want multi-platform compatibility, then
>use FrameMaker (which exists on _every_ platform).  FrameMaker is
>freely distributable in it's read-only form without the license
>string...

This is not a bad idea; we're banging the idea around where I work,
after people have had a chance to sweat with Word Prefect for a few
weeks, part of which involved producing some large reports under a real
deadline.  :~)  One of the guys then started playing with FM, and saw
the business about the freely distributable demo version, and began to
think...

Troff is problematic, because you can't do a program's inline docs using
it.  One of the points of all this seamless integration stuff is to
reduce the amount of work you have to do.  Who wants to write documentation
twice, once for inline and once for external, when the same documentation
can suffice for both?  Besides, troff just isn't insanely great.  :~)
-- 
Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp.   |  "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit
       Everything is IMHO          |   operating system, programs are easier
royce@splunge.uucp  (NeXTMail OK)  |   to write and run faster, too."
or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce    |  ad for OS/2 2.0
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: OD under 3.0
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:05:05 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


>> That was a confusion in the earlier thread. Software support for ODs was always 
>> supposed to be part of 3.0, and is, in fact, there.  It is the  Turbo hardware  

I'll agree with "supposed to".  The OD works, but 3.0 Workspace doesn't
seem to think that it's a removable media, and the Eject operation is not
lit and does not function.  Nor does dropping the OD in the recycler.
Nor does logging off.  In fact, the only time I tried logging off with
the OD still mounted and all, the system froze.

The only thing that does work is to umount and disk -e as root.

I have also had problems ejecting CD's, but I haven't played enough with
that to characterize the problems completely.

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: 3View--rotation verse translation
Keywords: rib, RenderMan, 3View
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:57:32 GMT

A while back there was some discussion on rotating views of rib files
with 3View. This seems to be file dependent. I haven't figured it out yet
(I'm new to RenderMan and have not had time to t=really compare the files),
but compare viewing of the examples given in /NeXTDeveloper/Examples/RenderMan,
where mouse drag actions cause a translation; and the examples (like
teapot or cdodec) from the PD posting (on purdue) ribs.tar.Z, where mouse
drag actions cause a rotation (so you can actually turn them around
and see the "back".)

Can anyone explain this before I rack my already beaten brain?

Thanks,

Charlie



-- 
	NeXTMail to:		|	...to confer, converse, and 
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				|	brother wizards.
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re:   Audio CDs on CD-ROM Drive
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Sep 92 10:13:38 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <Bv3o9G.FGw.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:
>>In article <dillon.0o6s@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
>>    Unfortunately, it is ILLEGAL to store or otherwise process (except to
>>    simply play) the RAW BINARY data from an Audio CD.
>
>I don't believe this is true.  It's silly.
>
>You mean if I have a digital equalizer and use the digital out port of
>a CD player I'm doing something illegal?
>
>If I do it in my own software rather than using a prebuilt componant
>to do it, how is that different?
>
>If I've got both a CD player and a DAT player, and I copy a CD onto
>DAT *FOR* *MY* *OWN* *USE*, that's illegal?  That's not reasonable.
>If I were to copy a CD for someone else, sure, that's piracy and it's
>illegal.

    Welcome to the world of audio-media giants.  The CD players are
    frightened to death that the DAT players will take over the market,
    which is why it has taken so long to get DAT into the US... all sorts
    of delaying lawsuites and positioning going on.

				-Matt

>--
>Doug DeJulio
>ddj+@cmu.edu

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From: enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: How Slow is NeXTSTEP 3.0 w/ 8 megs ram?
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:07:21 GMT
Reply-To: enders@bolshoi.uucp

Steven S. Rosenblum writes
> Well, the subject says it all.  I was wondering if anyone's loaded
> 3.0 onto a 68040 cube with only 8 megs (sniff) of memory?  How
> slow should I expect the system to run compared with 2.0? 
> 
     Well, I have an 8 Mb '040 'station, and if you have everything on
the hard drive, it *seems* at least as snappy as 2.1.  Link a lot of stuff
to the CD-ROM, however, and it'll dog it down quite a bit.  For those of us
with 105 Mb drives though, it's an adequate compromise (IMHO, and if you're
not in a hurry :-).  Your mileage may vary, of course.

Todd     enders@bolshoi.uucp