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From: bf3833@pyuxe.uucp (80010-feigenbaum)
Subject: Re: Jewish Charities
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:21:58 GMT
Summary: Other Charities
Keywords: disgusting


Steve,

I am a subscriber to the Jewish Voice and Opinion, and I found the article
on Jewish charities very enlightening.  In response to your request about
Jewish charities you could contribute to, I believe the article mentioned
the Central Fund for Israel as one which contributes 100% of its receipts
to Jews in Israel.  Unlike the usual Jewish charities, the Central Fund
supports projects in the liberated territories.  However, if you so choose,
you can designate a specific project to receive these funds, e.g., planting
trees.

Like you, I have not contributed to the major Jewish organizations for 
several years, with the exception of the Federation's Operation Exodus
(to help our Russian brethren) and Operation Solomon (to help our Ethiopian
brethren).  

There are other charities affiliated with Jewish causes in this country and
in Israel, e.g., orphanages, homes for the aged, yeshivas, etc.  If you will
let me know your specific interest(s), I will be happy to supply you with a
list of the ones I contribute to.

Ben Feigenbaum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: Stephen Dubin <sdubin@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Date: 02 Jan 93 11:24 PST
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewi
Nf-ID: #R:1hau2eINN9p8@morrow.stanford.edu:-484546587:cdp:1473600019:000:231
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sdubin    Jan  2 11:24:00 1993


Perhaps it is also appropriate to list people who, although they have
Jewish names; have a non-Jewish mother e.g. Howard Stern.
I remember the joy expressed by my Bubba when she learned that Haldeman
and Erlichman were not Jewish!
From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Synagogue MUSIC
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:58:26 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <VICTOR.92Dec28111023@terse.watson.ibm.com> victor@watson.ibm.com writes:
>that it was "It's a Small World" (from Disneyland/world).  I asked the
>chazan about it afterwards.  He told me that, in fact, his family also
>uses it for Shir Ha'maalot before the Birchat Ha'mazon on shabbat and
>yom-tov.  I tried it, and it works!

I always felt that "It's a Small World" could drive a person insane if they
were exposed to it long enough.  I can't imagine it for davening.

My kids used it their Day School Kindergarten graduation: "Ze Olam Katan M'od",
and I had to listen to them practice and practice ...   I'm better now, 
thank you.

One of the tunes we adopted to Shir HaMa'alot was "Erie Canal" (I had an
old mule and her name was Sal, Fifteen Miles on the Erie Canal.)  Fit in 
well with the second grade history of New York State.  Helps that the Erie
Canal once ran less than a mile from our house.

I also like the Niggun used by Salah, in the movie by the save name.  

Any other tunes?
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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:19:33 GMT



The religious phrase in the Pledge was added in the 1950's. "In God We
Trust" was on some coins around the time of the Civil War, but was not
required on all U.S. coins until the 1950's.

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

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civil-liberty/pledge.history
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* A History of the Pledge of Allegiance

An essay examining the origins of the Pledge of Allegiance and the history
of its introduction into public schools, written by John W. Baer of
Propaganda Review.

=================
=================

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From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Re: How Do You Spell (C)Han(n)uk(k)a(h) in English?
Reply-To: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:01:30 GMT


In a previous article, afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman) says:
>In article <1992Dec30.104104.5962@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, drukier@cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (Gordon Drukier) writes...
>>In article <cF4kwB4w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu 
>(Todd J. Dicker) writes:

>  Anyone for a side-thread to see how many variant spellings we
>>can come up with? Let's see...

>>Chanucah
>>Chanukah
>>Hannukah
>>Chanuka
>Hanukka
>Hanukah
>Chanukah
>Hanukah

Hanukkah
-- 
       No nation can survive without pride in its traditions.
       Marlene J. Miller   aa324@yfn.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Chanuka Sa-mei-ach?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:55:03 GMT

Jonathan B. Horen writes:
Well, it's like this -- the "correct" greeting is `Chag Channukah Sameach',
> in which `Channukah' is used as an adjective modifying `chag' (which `chag'?
> `Channukah').

I believe this is called an attributive noun, much like "can" in
"can opener."

-Don Gertler
From: cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:48:34 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory, CIW

In article <9212232205.AA25066@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
>What constitutes a Conservative Jew?  
I guess someone who doesn't accept fundamentalism.

>Is it that he/she does not
>accept that the Torah was given by G-d to Moshe at Sinai?  
Nope.

>It's relativley recent
>that the fight to accept any flavor of "convert" has arisen, thereby
>changing the status quo.

This is clear nonsense.  I guess most of the jews in Israel aren't
real jews according to you.  I wonder if you can prove that you
are a real jew.  I doubt it from your attitude.
-- 
Ronald Cohen
Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 01 Jan 93 00:48:34 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory, CIW

In article <9212312025.AA17350@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>
>> Conservative Rabbinical authorities share a basic belief that the
>> Torah is divinely inspired;
>
>So am I right, or am I right?
>
>-Don Gertler

No and No
-- 
Ronald Cohen
Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:33:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.182458.2139@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternli
ght) writes:
>
>Norman Miller has apparently set himself up as the Art Czar for the
>rest of us. The Menorah in Beverly Hills, which is what started this
>thread, is by the famous Israeli artist Agam, and though Norman
>is free not to like it, to make a general argument about vulgarity
>based on his own personal taste in art is just plain silly. Some
>of the most refined cultural arbiters and critics, who would be
>among the first to scream "vulgarity" think the Agam's work
>is worthy of hanging in major galleries around the world.
>
>Finally, it's clear that Norman doesn't have a clue about what
>vulgarity means (check the dictionary) since he says:
>
>"I suspect that Habad's vulgarity stems precisely from its attempt at
>acting in a world that it doesn't even begin to understand, so that
>many of its gestures and symbols fail of their intentions."
>
>Since he says his previous post is not a retraction or apology, it
>would be good if he posted one.
>
>David

Never having seen the LA menorah, I have nothing to say.  Furthermore,
I'm so far from setting up as an art czar that I repeat that vulgarity
has nothing to do with questions of beauty.

David Sternlight demands an apology because he doesn't find my theory
of vulgarity in a dictionary.  So I apologize.  I thought that _all_
s.c.j. readers were better-equipped than that.

Norman Miller

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<EGGERTJ.92Dec30110435@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Dec30.193727.136@vms.huji.ac.il>
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:37:11

In article <1992Dec30.193727.136@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>   There's only one tiny problem: there AREN'T any Jewish terrorists who
>   belong to the  Israeli Medical Association. That's more than I can say for Arab
>   doctors who belong to HAMAS. The equation is quite simple:
>
>   1) Hamas is a terrorist organization
>   2) Dr. X is a member of Hamas
>   3) Ergo: Dr. X is a terrorist

Your logic is faulty.  Consider the following case:

1) The American Medical Association approves of the use of abortion.
2)  Dr. Y is a member of the AMA.
3)  Ergo: Dr. Y approves of abortions.

Wrong.  That is an argument of guilt by association.  It has two
fundamental flaws.  The first is that it assumes that membership in an
organization implies approval of everything that organization does.
The second is that approval of a crime implies culpability in that
crime.

I wonder why you (and apparently the Israeli government) uses the
guilt by association argument so freely when it is so obviously
flawed?

> [rest of posting deleted, as false logic leads to false conclusions]

=Jim
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: American Jews and Lubavitch
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:21:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec23.171712.5102@starbase.trincoll.edu>
nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) posts an extremely
inflammatory message filled with nasty characterizations of Chabad and
the imputation of motives to them that he cannot support with any hard
evidence.

I suggest that rather than starting a flame war, which seems to be
his intention, the message be ignored until he gets himself
under better control and can make his logical case without resorting
to vile and prejudicial slurs against Chabad, which, if they were 
made against Jews generally would be dismissed as the ravings
of an anti-semite.

David


-- 
David Sternlight
RIPEM key on server
From: "ken halfon" <ken.halfon@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: johah stories
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:02:22 EST
Reply-To: "ken halfon" <ken.halfon@execnet.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Executive Networks Information

On Hanukkah it is appropriate (in the Sephardic tradition) to tell
stories of Johah. Johah was known to be a little slow and not very
bright. Here are two of the 1000's of Johah stories.

Johah was sent to the market by his mother to get some matches.
His mom admosished him as he left to make sure the matches were
good. A while later Johah returned with the matches.  He
triumphantly handed them to his mother who upon seeing their
blackened heads had a surprised look. I got your matches Johah
remarked and they are all good. He knew because he had tested
every one of them.

Johah went with his mother to a wedding. His mother noticed him
stuffing a large meatball in his mouth and eating it. His mother
came to him and said Johah when dealing with round foods you cut
them into four pieces and eat them individually. Two days later
at home Johah's mother sets a bowl of lentils in front of him and
walked away. She came back to find Johah cutting the individual
lentils into four before eating them...

Hope that gave you a laugh... These stories have been around a
long...long time. Perhaps others would like to tell more of them.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: esafern@shearson.com (Eric Safern)
Subject: Re: Possible privatization of Bezek
Reply-To: esafern@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:09:58 GMT

In article 725738557@acf9, mannj@acf9.nyu.edu (Jordan Mann) writes:
>jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber) writes:
>
>>A piece of an article from today's New York Times (this is all I have):
>
>>"Clal Industries of Israel and Southwestern Bell International Development
>>will bid for a controlling interest in Bezeq, the Israeli telecommunications
>>concern, Clal said yesterday."
>
>I wonder if this will improve service.  From what little understanding I have
>of economics, privatization alone may make a company more efficient, but
>without competition it won't make a company any more responsive to the
>customer.  A privately-owned phone company without competition will 
>probably try to raise rates *and* cut serivces to the bare minimum.  
>

True enough, but...

the monopoly on phone service in Israel (and just about everywhere) is an artificial,
government created monopoly.

The Israeli government will be less likely to keep out competition when Bezek is not
part of the government itself.

It will also help by removing a drain on tax money.  Israelis are *way* overtaxed, even
allowing for high defense costs.

>On the other hand, local phone companies in the US do respectable job, 
>even though they're monopolies.  For example, it still takes a few weeks to
>get a phone installed in Israel, but in America it takes a few days.  I wonder
>what makes the American companies good to their customers.  Regulations,
>perhaps.

In the U.S., mostly because an open, efficient market in business based local telephone
service allows decent profits.

The gov. then forces the BOCs to subsidize their residential service.

Our service is the best in the world.

We (residential customers) pay only a fraction of the real cost of this efficient service.

The rest is extracted from businesses through regulation.  Of course, we end up paying this
anyway...
>
>>Jodi Weber
>--
>Jordan Mann at NYU      (mannj@cims.nyu.edu)



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Jewish Joke of the Day
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:59:07 GMT

In article <1h4j3dINNsn0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
> 
> 
> I got the following out of Rabbi Joseph telushkin's Book on
> Jewish Humor...
> 
> 	Found on a sign above a Urinal at Hebrew University in
> 	Jerusalem....
> 		THE FUTURE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE IS IN YOUR HANDS.
> 
> 
If we're on grafitti jokes I think I prefer:

"  my mother made me a homosexual"

and written below in another hand:

"if I send her the wool, could she make me one too?"

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: agw@dsm.fordham.edu (Art Werschulz)
Subject: Re: Some good news from Crown Heights
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:55:23 GMT

Hi all.

It's good to hear that Dr. Laz (a/k/a Reb Nature) is getting some good
press.  He's been a regular interviewee on "JM in the AM" ("Jewish
Music in the Morning" also known as "Shirei Shacharit"), radio program
that plays from 6 till 9 in the morning (M-F) on WFMU (91.1 FM).  I
believe his last JM in the AM interview concentrated on Project CURE,
and included Paul Chandler as a special guest.

CYLOJBS (Consult Your LOcal Jewish Book Store) for his record
albums.  I think he wrote a book about his experiences as a teacher in
the Buffalo public school system, called "Skullcaps and Switchblades".


--
  Art Werschulz		(8-{)}
  Internet:  agw@dsm.fordham.edu  ATTnet: (212) 636-6325

  Shalom!  Ani mutatsia shel virus .signature.
  Ha`atek oti letoch .signature shelcha!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: Talmud on determining sex
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 15:25:47 GMT

In: <1992Dec25.053417.27287@sarah.albany.edu>
mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) asks:

>In article <1992Dec24.195634.978@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com
>(David Sternlight) writes:
>>My orthodox Grandfather (O"H) told my father who told me that according
>>to the Talmud if the woman has an orgasm first the child will be
>>a boy.
>
>How do you explain boy-girl twins? ;-)

Just arguing on the basis of the above mentioned Talmudic Theory, this
is easy.  Boy-girl twins are a  case of two ova being fertilized, each
by  its  own  sperm, and  possibly  as  the  result  of two  cases  of
intercourse.  So in one of them the lady had the orgasm first while in
the other she "came" second (if at all).

I wonder if the  above quoted Talmud story is really  there, if so how
the Talmudic  sages got this  information.  Was it also  Sinaic wisdom
given to  Moshe, or  was it  the result  of some  controlled sages-led
experiments.  I  wonder if  someone has the  reference to  this orgasm
story.  BTW what term was used in Hebrew or Aramaic for orgasm?

>--Mark

   Michael Shimshoni
From: Ari_Kornfeld@QM.SRI.COM (Ari Kornfeld)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hebrew W.P.
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:47:32 GMT
Organization: SRI International

Hi:

  A friend is looking for a Hebrew word processor program for a PC-Compatible
computer.  So far, the only one we know of is Word Perfect w/Hebrew module.
Does anyone out there know of another (better?) product either public domain
or commercial.  

  Thanks for the help.

  Please email an answer since I don't frequent this news group.
  (Ari_Kornfeld@QM.SRI.COM)

Thanks.

-ari
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Israel must return the deportees!
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:50:14 GMT

dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:

> I can tell  you  my
> reaction  to the deportations - I wanted to go out and punch the nearest
> Israeli.  And I am a Jew.

> David Turner
> (A British Jew who does NOT support Israel)

So what are we supposed to think?  That you're a violent, prejudiced
individual, willing to resort to violence against someone simply because
you disagree with his/her government's policies.

And what does the "And I am a Jew" add?  That you feel Jews don't
resort to violence?  More bigotry?  Or is it that you, as a Jew, have
a special place in your heart for Israelis, so this must be a terrible
thing to cause you to want to punch an Israeli?  Well, you seem to
blow that approach by declaring that you don't support Israel.

Perhaps I missed something.

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Talmud on determining sex
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:56:34 GMT


My orthodox Grandfather (O"H) told my father who told me that according
to the Talmud if the woman has an orgasm first the child will be
a boy.

My father told it to me as an illustration of the importance Judaism
places on the sexual satisfaction of the wife.

David
-- 
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From: dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Israel must return the deportees!
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:39:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

Israel must return the 410 deportees!

The deportees are not terrorists.  They  are  innocent  people,  against
whom  no  charge  has  been brought in an open court.  They are doctors,
teachers, lawyers.  Twelve of them are lecturers  from  one  university.
Their real crime is that they are leaders of their people.  There is not
a shred of evidence linking them with the killing of a Jewish policeman.
If there was you can be quite certain that Israel would have put them on
trial for murder.

It is claimed that they  are  members  of  Hamas,  and  similar  Islamic
groups,  and that Hamas is a terrorist organisation.  First, no evidence
that they are members of Hamas has been offered in open court.  The case
was  heard  in  a closed military court, in which the men's laywers were
not allowed to see the  evidence.   The  so  called  process  of  appeal
consisted  of  the same judges declaring themselves correct.  This would
not be recognised as a proper legal process in any democratic country.

Second, I do not accept that Hamas are a terrorist organisation.  Up  to
now they have killed only Israeli soldiers or policemen in uniform.  For
many years Israel has stood in illegal occupation of Palestinian  lands,
and  several  thousand  unarmed  Palestinian men women and children have
been killed by  Israeli  forces.   When  Hamas  starts  killing  Israeli
civilians  they will have sunk to the level of the Zionist state, but up
to now they seem to be operating on a higher moral standard.

David Turner

(A Britsh Jew who does NOT support Israel.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: That's HAUSMANN (was: M.Haussman - get a life)
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:03:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.004150.2950@netcom.com>, madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes: >

>>If you think God  would approve of your actions, then keep doing it.
> 
> My actions have little to do with what I think "God" would approve of,
> so this statement is sort of pointless.  It would be the equivalent
> of my asking you if Krishna approved of your actions.
> 
I have it on good authority that God doesn't subscribe to usenet.  If
she were to do so I suspect some nasty little fascist would have her
account pulled within a few days.

> 
> -- 
> Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
> Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.
> 
> Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553

Laurence