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Reply-To:     Jeremy Whitlock <WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
From:         Jeremy Whitlock <WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: food irradiation.

Robert Grant writes (>> = me):

>>Because food irradiation is not an additive; it's an external treatment,
>>and it is marked as being so on the package.
>
>Isn't it a fact that packaged irradiated food is marked as being "picowaved"
>to avoid consumers being distressed by a word associated with radiation?

The marking that I am familiar with is the international symbol for
irradiated food -- a green and white logo that looks something like a cross
between a "radiation" symbol and a flower.

I've heard of the "picowaved" term, however, and I would venture that this
isn't such a bad moniker.  It emphasizes that external wave energy is used,
as opposed to some kind of internal contamination.  This might avoid some
of the confusion we've seen (on this list also) about what exactly food
irradiation means.

To illustrate this point, how many members of the public believe they are
making their food radioactive when they "microwave" it?

Tim Cera writes (>} = me):

>}4) What is wrong with letting the consumer decide?  As the Florida
>}strawberry sellers did, why not put irradiated products next to
>}unirradiated products, ...[stuff deleted]...
>
>Well, it seems that the irridation company was afraid of a poor showing
>and bussed their employees down to the store to buy up the irradiated
>strawberries.  This report was in our local newspaper.

And it seems the food irradiation opponents were afraid of a good showing
since they showed up with placards and pamphlets to try and inflence
customers.

It was not a "pure" experiment, but the concept was good.

Jeremy.
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        Recently wetlands mitigation have become an issue.  It seems that
a lot of people, mainly in the government and business, think that they
can replace an existing natural wetland with a man-made one at a different
location.  It has become increasingly apparent that the diversity and
quality of the man made wetlands is not up to par with a natural wetland.
Or so I am lead to believe.  The problems is I need the results of a
study of mand made wetlands, and hopefully a comparitive study between a
natural wetland and the man made one that replaced it.

        I have figured that these studies are few and far between.  So if
anybody knows of any studies, reports, etc on wetland reclamation and the
such, the person I am requesting this info for wouyld gladly appreciate it.

Gregg Leonard

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Subject:      DOLPHIN-SAFE TUNA
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SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF DOLPHIN-SAFE LABELS ON TUNA FISH CANS, I HAVE
BEEN CONSCIOUSLY PURCHASING THEM INSTEAD OF THE UNMARKED CANS.  HOWEVER,
I DOUBT THE VALIDITY OF THE CLAIM THAT THIS TUNA IS TOTALLY DOLPHIN SAFE.
I AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION FROM ANYONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE REAL DEAL IS.
THANK YOU.
BRANDES@BUCKNELL.EDU
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Subject:      Plastics Recycling
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I do,in fact, have a computer that allows me to type in lower case as well.
I was not aware of the difficulty subscribers had reading all upper case type.
Thanks for letting me know.  Please get back to me if you do have any info
on plastics recycling.  This is a particularly interesting subject to me.
Also, let me know if there is anything you are thinking about. Bye.
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I'm sorry for cluttering up everyone's mail with personal replies.  I
have been advised and instructed on how to use the system properly.  I
apologize for any inconveniences.
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Subject:      Why the Excitement?
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Not to belittle concerns about radiating foods or the dangers
of flouride, but why is it that these issues create major excitement and
known poisons in our, such as car exhaust get very little.

Most of us today will be exposed to known carcinogens and
mutagens and a few other nasties I can't spell either.

I remember David Suzuki saying, during the Chernobyl Crisis, that we have bigger
things to worry about that radiation from Chernobyl.

Not to belittle concerns over food irradiation.  It should be questioned.
I know that anything nuclear makes people excited but I would use as another
example the Fluoride in the water debate.  People get up in arms about
having the stuff put in the water but there is little concern about
the hundreds of chemicals that are put into the air by automobiles.

Maybe its because real change in our society would have to occur.  Serious
personal and societal change.

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Subject:      Dolphin-safe tuna
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I agree that private corporations have the ability to hide the real
facts, but don't you think the FDA has any control over these corporations?
Further, don't you think private coroporations feel the pressure to practice
more environmentally safe and friendly methods of production, whatever the
goods or services may be? Or does this pressure only force corporations to
attach phony claims of environmental friendliness to their products-"Green
Marketing" has got to be one of the biggest businesses of the 90's.
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I received your message.  Thank you for Tracy's number.  I will contact her
 soonn. If you have any other information please let me know.  Thanks much!
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Subject:      DATA REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL DEGREDATION IN EASTERN EUROPE
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Greetings from Bucknell University!!!
	I am compiling a project which is an indepth study of the
environmental degredation facing Eastern Europe today. If anyone should
have recent data or information on the matter I'd appreciate receiving
it. Also, any imput on the effects economics reforms might have would
also be appreciated. Thanks.

Peace, Rob Gazzola
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Subject:      food irridation in Florida
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A recent post by Jeremy Whitlock states . . .

}4) What is wrong with letting the consumer decide?  As the Florida
}strawberry sellers did, why not put irradiated products next to
}unirradiated products, mark each clearly with a sign, and see what happens?
}I for one would choose the irradiated product, and I wouldn't be alone (if
}the Florida results are any indication).

Well, it seems that the irridation company was afraid of a poor showing
and bussed their employees down to the store to buy up the irradiated
strawberries.  This report was in our local newspaper.

In reference to a different post which I deleted, why is "Not tonight now
honey, I have a headache" a copout?  :+(

tim cera
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From:         Marianne Dugan <MDUGAN@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      dioxin as birth control

I've just read of a new scientific finding in US News & World
Report (April 6, p. 60) that just may turn popular sentiment
around in favor of the environment.....at least popular MALE
sentiment, as well as maybe a few people in favor of having lots
of children....Dioxin dramatically reduces (30-50%) testosterone
and causes a 20% sperm count reduction.......

Any ballsy loggers or pulp mill workers wanna take the ball now??



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From: gordon@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GORDON ALLEN R)
Subject: Re: Free Radicals, and Why the Excitement?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:37:55 GMT

Jeremy Whitlock <WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.BITNET> writes:

(stuff omitted)
>On the contrary, I think the important message is not that additional
>radiation (or free-radicals) is harmless, because that is up to the
>radio-biologists and bio-chemists to say, but rather that all the fuss made
>over the increases might be little out of perspective.
(stuff omitted)

It's not just up to the radio-biologists adn bio-chemists to say what is harm-
less.  You can't just take something apart, analyze its component parts, put
it back together and expect it to work, unless you're talking about machines.
It just doesn't work when you're dealing with something as complex as organisms
and organic systems.  The response of the organism, people, have to be factored
into this.  If someone doesn't feel right after eating irradiated food, then
that's a legitimate problem, even if double blind experiments show otherwise.
Scientific analysis is a good tool, but its not the be-all and the end-all and
its not infallible.

-- 
Allen Gordon 		         *If the folly of but one of us was changed to*
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That was the first time I tried to send a message so I appreciate
you letting me know how to do it the right way. What is it that you do
in your executive office anyway?  Bye
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Subject:      Pesticide info/sources needed for thesis
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Howdy folks -

I am writing a senior thesis on the biodegradation and adsorption of
Alachlor/Lasso in a sandy loam coastal plain (Delaware) soil. I have
completed the laboratory phase of my research and currently working
on the written portion. I would appreciate any information (with sources)
which may be of interest for my literary review. If you know of any on-line
information (ie. EPA, Dept of Ag, etc) please forward.

My defense date rapidly approaches so a prompt reply is requested.
By the way, I am not *only* interested in on-line info but journal titles,
proceedings, specific books, etc. Even if you are thinking "Oh I'm sure he
already read this one..." please drop me a note. Also anyone who is doing
similar research get in touch.

keywords: biodegradation, adsorption, pH-dependence/effects, moisture content
	dependence/effects, solid-phase extraction method.

Thanx for any and all replies.

Geoff Salthouse
Agricultural Engineering
University of Delaware

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	Poison-free by 2003 or it'll be the end of you and me.
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Howie--Irradiating foods does not leave radioactive substances in the food
itself, any more than microwaving it does.
                                Donald Winslow
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From:         Thorsten Nitz <SB010NI@DACTH11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: plastic recycling

BRANDES@CORAL.BUCKNELL.EDU (what's your name ?) writes:

>As time pushes on and garbage piles up, there has to be a viable a
>alternative to landfilling our solid waste.  Recycling has been proven to be an
> excellent alternative to this for glass, aluminum, paper, and to a lesser
>extent plastic.  I believe that plastics are an important part of our lives.
>They meet the needs of many industries and consumers.  A recent study actually
> ashowed that people are more likely to recycle a plastic beverage container
>over a cardboard one.  This is a very positive sign to the improvement of
>our solid waste crisis as long as plastic containers with their recycling
>codes on the container become more common place.  I believe plastics are
>better than cardboard for many uses since the cardboard tends to be coated
>with materials that hinder the recycling process.  If anyone has ideas or
>information concerning plastics recycling please let me know as it will
>greatly assist me on the project I am working on. Thanks.

Cardboard containers not only tend, but always are coated in order to be
waterproof. Hence, no recycling (except incineration, which is called
'thermal recycling' by the package manufacturing industry here in
Germany... :-( ).
Plastics recycling basically is _down_cycling, the quality deteriorates
rapidly. This means recyled plastics will end up as low-quality
products such as park benches, compost containers or road-construction
material (I'd call this last one disguised landfill). Anyways, where would
you leave all the park benches ? :-)
Don't buy one-way containers in the first place ! Use refillable
containers. On a similar discussion on a German net I learned that
refillable bottles made of glass are superior to those made of plastics
because they can be refilled _much_ more times. Besides, to make
_refillable_ plastic bottles stand the stress of cleaning they seem
to be made of compound materials (is this the right technical term?)
which hinders recycling.
The list of priorities is: 1st, don't produce, 2nd, reuse, 3rd, recycle.

Thorsten Nitz
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Reply-To:     Jeremy Whitlock <WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
From:         Jeremy Whitlock <WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: food irradiation.

Christopher Anand writes:

> On consumer choice, why didn't industry go along with listing irradiation
> as an additive on packaging (as consumer groups wanted).

Because food irradiation is not an additive; it's an external treatment,
and it is marked as being so on the package.

  > What evidence is there that millions are actually eating it?  From
  > what we were told, the AECL reactor in Thailand was not practical for
  > small-scale producers and geared to the export market (us).

No evidence to cite here, but I know that food is irradiated in large
volumes "out there" in the world.  Someone must be eating it.

(Point of clarification: the machine in Thailand is an irradiator, not a
reactor.  It's supplier is Nordion Industries Inc., not AECL.  Although
Nordion was part of AECL at one time, it is trying to distance itself from
the Canadian nuclear industry -- wouldn't you? ;-) )

Jeremy.
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        ***A NEW USE FOR AN OLD PRODUCT!***

There's been so much in the media lately about the profitability of
environmental protection, and ther has been a flood of "green"
products. Now there's something new and truly unique.

A male birth control pill made from recycled dioxins!
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