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From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: Newgroup alt.sport.photon
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:35:41 GMT

In article <27JAN199314493600@zeus.tamu.edu> san7675@zeus.tamu.edu (STEPH) writes:
>Neat neat neat... haven't played Photon since the San Antonio place closed
>years ago...  The "Last Bash" was one memorable experience... I had heard that
>there was still an arena in Phoenix... True?  Not true?


Yes where are they? I used to play in Jersey and then they opened one up
on Long Island(New York) and played there(abandoned Jersey). Since I moved away
in 88 I've heard the Long Island one is closed and that the Jersey one was
rumored to be closed. Dont know about the big complex in wildood though. But
since I am in California(san Fran) now I was wondering if any are near?

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: alt.tv.snl
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:29:00 GMT

What ever happened to alt.tv.snl?  I seem to recall a consensus that
such a group would be popular and perhaps a Good Thing.  Did it stall
on the question of whether it should be just in the usa heirarchy?
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Xref: sparky alt.config:8644 alt.sport.photon:2
From: bac0892@summa.tamu.edu (COX, BRENT ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sport.photon
Subject: Re: Newgroup alt.sport.photon
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:41:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: summa.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1k52q3INNnii@umbc7.umbc.edu>, banz@umbc.edu (Rob Banz) writes... 
>Anyhow, the newsgroup is there to discuss the game/sport of Photon as
>was/is played in Photon centers that are/were across the country.

 How exactly is Photon doing these days?  The one in San Antonio closed
 a few years ago (I think); it was a BIG loss to that city IMHO, since 
 it was better than ANY amusement park, hands down.

>Rob Banz (banz@umbc.edu)
>....in the Photon world as "target"

-Squealer 

      "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I  
         like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
                                              - Bilbo 

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From: danny@cs.su.oz.au (Danny)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Proposal for group alt.fan.ursula-le-guin
Keywords: group creation alt
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:25:27 GMT
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

Charter

A group for the discussion of the works of Ursula K. LeGuin and issues 
raised by these works.

Motivation

To provide a smaller and more personal forum than rec.arts.books.
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt group re. democracy in former soviet union
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:06:27 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I think it's a great idea; why not call it alt.democracy.russia
or something like that?

Also, would someone please e-mail me if this proposal becomes reality.
From: quilty@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL to create alt.politics.radical-left
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:27:48 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu

I would like also to support the creation of a.p.rad-left.  It would
be very useful to have such a forum for distribution of "left"
information in the alt hierarchy.  Another particularly crucial reason
for the creation of this group is mentioned by another poster:

>This is especially appropriate in light of the banning of MIM and
>possibly other groups from M.A.P. and ACTIV-L by the self-styled
>arbiters of what is progressive that control those lists.



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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Subject: Re: alt.genealogy
Summary: redundant
Organization: Information Services, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:04:55 GMT

pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan) writes:
:	Discussion of genealogical research, resources, and software.
:
:pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov


Uhh, why not use soc.root instead?

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: now batting (Was Babe Ruth was a control-weenie)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:16:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.142914.1@vms.cis.pitt.edu> tjw+@pitt.edu writes:

>In article <C1Hus6.vD@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>> Sure.  But quality isn't the issue -- popularity is.
>
>"Popularity" is not my issue.

This is the quote I originally responded to:

] If you do, you must understand by now that control-weenies aren't looked
] upon favorably.  That's WHY there IS an ALTnet.  That shouldn't surprise
] you.

"Aren't looked upon favorably" sounds to me an awful lot like "are
unpopular."

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: please start alt.politics.radical-left
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:12:20 GMT

I second the motion!

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt reorg
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:29:24 GMT

In article <VIXIE.93Jan24010432@cognition.pa.dec.com> vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie) writes:

>Would TMC be willing to configure its news transport to unconditionally
>accept control messages in "alt.*" from tale@uunet.uu.net?  You're probably
>right that noone can kill old alt groups, but would could get a band of us
>together who all trust a central authority and at least keep the cruft out
>of the bigger news servers.

I doubt that this is likely, or even desirable.

Votes are not taken in alt.  The only things that get done are based
on self-motivation, and occasionally popular consensus.  Usenet has a
fairly straightforward voting system which makes it possible to move
and remove old newsgroups, and one that's generally accepted by the
reading public.  Hence, when tale sends out a rmgroup message, people
understand there's a good reason for it, and expect it.

The situation is not the same with alt.  Groups get moved because
someone suggested it and no one objects.  On what basis would we
designate a "central authority" to have the final say-so in what goes
on?  Having an authority without organization, here, would mean a
dictatorship.  On what basis could tale be expected to make his
decisions regarding what gets newgrouped or rmgrouped and expect to be
consistent?

>My active file has 6,510 lines in it, and I'm
>feeling pressed by my kernel to make each "active" line worthwhile.

Find groups that are unused on your system or those which seem to
fulfill no purpose (any .foo.foo.foo group is grounds for immediate
deletion here, for example).  Announce that you're planning to remove
these newsgroups and wait for the hue and cry.  If you get no
objections, hack away.

6500 lines?  We get a pretty complete feed of alt, bit, and the Big
Seven, not to mention gnu, bionet, ne, and a few other hierarchies.
Our active file is 1800 lines long.

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From: markw@gvlf8-p.gvl.unisys.com (Mark H. Weber)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: announcing the alt.cabal
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:08:41 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation (A Unisys Company)

In article <1993Jan25.055614.5000@spcvxb.spc.edu> terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) writes:
>
>  I support this. [Yeah, I know: "Who cares?" I just thought I'd make a state-
>ment 8-].

Me, too.

>
>Will there be a mechanism to accept sysadmin imput?
>

That's what I'm wondering, too.  I have thought about proposing an
alt.config.advisory.committee for a while - it just isn't clear to
me what is the best way to make it work.

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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt reorg
Date: 27 Jan 1993 08:23:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

  +Who polices the cabal?  On what basis do cabal members make the
  +decisions?

Now Tim, what kind of cabal would it be if they told us everything?

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From: dmcm@coombs.anu.edu.au (David McMullen)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL to create alt.politics.radical-left
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:30:50 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

I support the creation of an alt.politics.radical-left


David McMullen
dmcm@coombs.anu.edu.au
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL to create alt.politics.radical-left
Date: 24 Jan 1993 22:55:26 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu

In article <C1D9Cw.9Ez@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.120925.16424@uvm.edu> coan@griffin.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu (Brian M Coan) writes:
>
>>The purpose of this group would not be to debate "liberal" versus
>>"radical" left. How boring!!
>
>That might not be the intended purpose, but just watch it happen.
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / 

In my post a ways back I brought up the liberal and radical left question.
It was not my intent to try to define one versus the other.  My point 
was that in modern political thinking both terms are defined by the
conservative to reactionary right.  I really have no idea what a radical
left stance would be on most subjects...other than, of course, what 
their opponents say it would be.

I doubt that this news group would become a forum of discussion of liberal
and radical left philosophy.  Far more likely it would become one more
outlet for conservative right flames and insults.
Paul

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From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.answers alternatives
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:27:08 GMT
Organization: Ditka Policy Institute

In article <1993Jan21.045858.29037@netcom.com> Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com> writes:
>3) Make alt.answers self-moderated.  So far there have been no serious
>objections to this idea.  No doubt Joe Wells will now object, so ignore him.

This is not a terribly good way to invite participation in the
discussion process; will you also urge that readers ignore other people
who object to this idea as well?  If so, why even raise the point for
discussion?

>Any other ideas?  I don't deal with Kamens, due to long experience with
>his anus-clenching attitude.  However, I have no objection to others
>dealing with him, if they want to.  If they can stand to.  That's what
>pluralism is about.  So, what do you want to do?

I'd prefer to have Jonathan handle alt.answers, if he's willing to.
I think your cheap shot about an "anus-clenching attitude" is
ill-mannered and unnecessary.

>In any case, if a group gets created I'd like to see an alt.answers.d
>as well.  I suggested news.answers.d to Kamens twice, by the way, but
>he shot it down.  Too bad, it would probably have avoided much acrimony.

The members of the faq-maintainers mailing list, i.e. the people
who do the work, discussed the issue and decided not to push for it,
for various reasons not relevant here.  To lay responsibility for
the decision at Jonathan's doorstep belies history.  As to whether
or not news.answers.d would "have avoided much acrimony", I find
that a self-fulfilling prophecy.

---Rsk
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL to create alt.politics.radical-left
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:57:46 GMT

In article <1jsjl3INN20t@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass) writes:

>I would like to see the creation of alt.politics.radical-left.  Especially
>since I no longer know what the policies of the liberal to radical left
>are.

I'm highly skeptical that the discussion in the group will involve
anything other than heated discussions of what the difference is
between "liberal" and "radical left," and arguments about whether one
or another leftist action should be considered "radical."

In such a transient, self-selecting forum, I don't think anyone's
really going to find out what the "policies of the liberal to radical
left" are.  If such things exist in any real sense.

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: Decision time (Was: Re: alt.answers alternatives)
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:01:50 GMT

In article <1k4kn7INNco0@SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren) writes:
>
>This is getting quite silly.  There appear to be two (very vocal) groups,
>one which wants Jonathan as the moderator of alt.answers, and one that,
>well, disagrees.  "Agreeing to disagree" is a very nice, alt-like situation,
>but NOT one that ever, EVER works in the _same newsgroup_.  
>
It doesn't make sense to make alt.answers without the services than Jonathan
has volunteered to provide.  This being alt, a few people would bash at the 
group.  I hope social pressure would suffice to keep this in control.

alt.answers.d makes no sense either.  Almost all the FAQ lists already
indicate proper venues for discussion.  A structurally flawed solution
would be to leave the alt FAQ's in news.answers, or for Jon to 
make the also flawed choice of moving them to misc.answers.

I'm basically against moderated alt groups.  But the answers charter
carefully delimits the moderator's duties.  Jonathan has, as far
as I can see, handled the group as the charter directs.  Most of the
criticisms pointed at Jon have been more involved with style than with
substance, and the arguments about substance seem to have no merit.

Phil
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From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: announcing the alt.cabal
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:41:09
Organization: DEC Network Software Lab
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cognition.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: jik@athena.mit.edu's message of 26 Jan 1993 23:46:52 GMT

>In other words, can someone subscribe to the alt.cabal but choose to apply its
>control messages at his discretion?   Or are you requiring that all members of
>the alt.cabal obey all (authentic) alt.cabal control messagse?

I'm not sure how we could enforce such a policy even if there were one; there
isn't going to be one.  Though if there's more than 50% fragmentation on the
cabal, it's probably not going to be worth doing.
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From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
Subject: Re: alt.answers alternatives
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Reply-To: Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com>
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:59:03 GMT

}2) Make alt.answers with Kamens as moderator.
}3) Make alt.answers self-moderated.
}4) New idea: do both 2 and 3, with two different groups.

5) Another new idea: do both 2 and 3 with the same group.  Those who
want to consider Kamens the moderator are free to do so.  Those who
want to consider the group self-moderated are free to do so.  We agree
to disagree.

Of course, if Kamens decided to start enforcing his moderation by
cancelling other people's articles, there would be problems.
---
Jef

           Jef Poskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
   "Long live freedom, and damn the ideologies!" -- Robinson Jeffers
From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.games.video
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.games.super-nes
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:14:36 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bogey.meaddata.com

In article <rauser.728168081@sfu.ca>, rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>    Due to the growing traffic on rec.games.video I suggest the formation
|> of alt.games.super-nes, a Super Nintendo only newsgroup which would deal with
|> buy and sell, cheats, anecdotes, game reviews, etc...basically anything
|> having to do in any way with the Super NES.
|> 
|>     Well????
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
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|> rauser@sfu.ca            "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional
|> WNI                          outlaws - we do this for a living."
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|> "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai

Personally, I disagree with this idea and the previously mentioned group for 
the Sega Genesis.  Is this going to continue until we have a group for every 
game system that comes out?

What next, a group only for Super Mario games?  What will happen when the 
super-nes becomes outdated and is no longer appreciated like the nes is now?
We'll have groups all over the place.

There was earlier mention of a marketplace group for video games and I'd like
to see that, but to break the group down into the different systems is overkill.

Use a kill file if you don't want to read about Sega, or Gameboy etc.

I vote no for alt.games.super-nes and any other game system specific 
groups.

I vote yes for alt.games.video-marketplace, or something like it.

I'm not flaming Richard, just stating my opinions.

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From: datkins@carina.unm.edu (Drexel Atkinson CIRT)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: INN config problem?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:26:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu


We have recently replaced CNEWS with INN and are using uunet news group listing
as the basis for our valid news groups.  One of our users contacted us about
a group that was deleted as being not valid.  The group was alt.support.mult-sclerosis which by its name seems that it would be valid.
Does anyone know if a multiple sclerosis news group exists and what its 
name is?  If not, do you think we could add one under this name or something
similar?  Opinions?

thanks,
	drex
   
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