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From: rakesh@ecr.mu.oz.au (Rakesh DESAI)
Subject: Indian Cricket
Keywords: India, Cricket, Ranji
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:53:51 GMT

Someone recently pointed out very well how India's domestic cricket
prevents real talent to come out and play some competitive cricket.

The way Ranji Trophy is played in India, leaves no chance for real
talent to develop.  In Ranji preliminary matches there are around 5
teams in a zone playing 3 day matches (or was it 4 day) which are no
contest at all.  Typical example is west zone.  West zone has Bombay,
Baroda, Maharashtra, Gujarat and Saurashtra.  Generally Bombay and
Baroda thrash other teams and sometimes Maharashtra creates upset.  Two
winners go into second stage and play knockout pre-quarter and rest of
the finals.  This is where the real ridculous results start.  Most of
the matches are decided from the second stage onward on the basis of first
innings lead as most of the teams at that level score close to 400 runs.
This is where I remember one ridiculous Ranji final which was played in 1985
or 86.  Delhi vs Karnataka.  Karnataka playing first scored 700 odd runs
and Delhi just managed surpass the total and got the trophy on fifth
day.  Five days for two innings - no wonder some people say cricket is
boring.

I always wondered why don't they divide the Ranji teams into two leagues
and allowing top team from second league to go up and bottom teams from
first league to go down.  As someone suggested (sorry I forgot the name)
the countries which do well have about 6,7 teams at county/shield
cricket level.  If domestic cricket is competitive enough than only the
real talent will nurture. I remember so many Indian Ranji Kings who
score few double centuries and centuries every now and then and when
they come at test level they fail miserably.

I wonder what sort of domestic cricket Pakistan has.  Can someone give
some insight into Pakistan's domestic cricket, how they generate so much
talent without any Dennis Lillee's Pace Foundation.

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From: aamir@cs.sfu.ca (Aamir Husain)
Subject: Re: England Winter Contracts
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.032721.24459@cs.cornell.edu>, aitken@cs.cornell.edu (William E. Aitken) writes:
> The following players were offered Winter contracts by England
> 
> 	Mark Ramprakash, Phil Tufnell, Neil Fairbrother
> 
> The following have been offered senior winter contracts
> 
> 	Graham Gooch, Alex Stewart, Robin Smith, Jack Russell, 
>         Phillip DeFreitas and Chris Lewis.
> 
> This does *not* mean that these players are going to India,
> simply that they will be paid whether or not they are selected.
> The contracts are worth ~15,000 pounds, the senior contracts, ~25000
> pounds.
> -- 
what seems to be the purpose of this contract. what is the basis on which
they are given. quite a few names seem to be missing who played in the recent
test series and have made contributions in the one days too. how come 
ramprakash is there when there could be so many others too who like him didnt 
have a great time with bat or ball. any ideas

Aamir.

p.s atleast hick saved some face with a quick fire 50, maybe he could do with
the money too. england should have given pakistan a 2nd innings in the one day
it would have been close then :-)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:35:06 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistan 200 Not Out

In article <1992Aug14.185939.11443@mtu.edu>, zazamind@mtu.edu (Zamindar) says:
>
>Thank you for the great statistical record of Pakistan's
>Test Career, Tony.
>
>I am pretty sure you missed one of the great 300+
>partnerships. It was the one which involved the ever -
>consistent Miandad and  the little fellow Shoaib. The
>match was being played in New Zealand and I think the season
>was 1987-88.  Miandad scored a most memorable 271 and
>it was the first 150 he made the first day that reminded
>us of the Miandad of the 70's. He got bogged down in 270s
>and got out. Oops I think I am getting detracked. Anyway
>Shoaib also got 200+ in that game.
>
>Anybody agree with me here?
>
nope. the partnership was approximately 240 (241 i think) and shoaib scored
163 (i think). exact figures will be posted after i go home.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: aapfl6!zulfiqar@aapfl1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: ENG vs PAK ONE DAYS ON CABLE
Date: 17 Aug 1992 18:21:56 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        England vs Pakistan One Day Internationals would be televised
        by most of the cable companies throughout the US.

        Different companies are airing the matches at different times.
        Majority is showing it LIVE on AUGUST 22 (SATURDAY). Some would
        TAPE-DELAY the event by a few hours.

        The AUGUST 24 match would be TAPE-DELAYED and played on
        AUGUST  29 (SATURDAY). Some systems would show it LIVE.

        Your best bet would be to check with your local cable company
        to find the time and day of both the matches. I understand that
        the operators may not know yet because AVI has just struck deals
        with these companies. You might have to talk to your PPV MANAGER
        to get details.

        I also understand that the match would be SCRAMBLED and would not
        be distributed to satellite dish owners unless you make special
        advance arrangements with AVI @ (407) 239-8933.

        Different cable companies are charging different amounts. The
        range is from  $15 to $20.

        Some folks want to know what they can do if their cable company
        is unaware of the matches. I suggest that you call the PPV MANAGER
        of your company and let him/her know of your interest and ask them
        to contact AVI @ (407) 239-8933. It would not be a bad idea to
        give AVI the name/phone of your cable company's PPV MANAGER
        as well.

        If anyone needs any further info. you can post it to rsc and I
        will see if I can get the answers.


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From: mhusain@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Muqtada Husain)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Amarnath - India's best ever batsman?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:31:35 GMT

In article <karnik.714154453@giga> karnik@giga.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:
>In <1992Aug14.220916.4311@news.Hawaii.Edu> venki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (N. Venkateswaran) writes:
>
>>	Most of Gavaskar's (and for that matter Vengsarkar's) big scores
>>	were scored against weak bowling attacks. Gav failed against
>>	Marshall & Co in WI, Imran Khan & Co. in Pak and did not play
>>	Lille and Thomson when they were at their best.
>
>        Given that Gavaskar scored 33 tons, and 10122 runs in his career, I
                            ******************

	Sorry to be picky, but this is the second post which mentions 33 tons, though the actual number of centuries Sunny scored is 34. 




>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran  Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
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From: papadopoulos-dimitrios@CS.YALE.EDU (Dimitrios Papadopoulos)
Subject: Re: Vengsarkar's Record
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:37:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.025012.2646@tamsun.tamu.edu> svb0224@zeus.tamu.edu (BALIJEPALLI, SRIDHARREDDY V) writes:
>
>         Career Record of Dilip Vengsarkar:
>
>         Tests:
>
>         116 tests, 185 innings, 22 not outs, 6868 runs, 166 highest score,
>         42.13 average, 17 hundreds, 35 fifties, 78 catches.
>
>         Break up of test centuries :
>
>         5 against England : 103 Lord's 1979, 157 Lord's 1982, 126* Lord's
>         1986, 102* Leeds 1986, 137 Kanpur 1984-85.
>
>         6 against West Indies : 157* Calcutta 1978, 109 Delhi 1978, 159
>         Delhi 1983, 102* Calcutta 1987, 102 Delhi 1987, 100 Bombay 1983.
>
>         2 against Australia : 112 Bangalore 1979, 164* Bombay 1986.
>
>         2 against Pakistan : 146* Delhi 1979, 109 Ahmedabad 1987.
>
>         2 against Sri Lanka : 166 Cuttack 1986-87, 153 Nagpur 1986-87.

Isn't it interesting to note that except against england-he hasn't scored
a century against any other country outside India.

--Pushkar
>
>
>         One Day Internationals:
>
>         128 Matches, 120 innings, 19 notouts, 3508 runs, 34.73 average, 
>         105 highest, one hundred, 23 fifties and 37 catches. 
>
>         Hundred : 105 against Pune 1984-85.


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From: aitken@cs.cornell.edu (William E. Aitken)
Subject: England v. Pakistan.  Third ODI.  Scorecard
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:14:30 GMT

Trent Bridge, Nottingham.  Toss: Pakistan.

ENGLAND

*G. Gooch        b Waqar                   42
+A. Stewart      c Akram b Waqar           34
R. Smith         c Rameez b Aaqib          77
N. Fairbrother   b Aaqib                   62
A. Lamb          lbw b Waqar               16
G. Hick          b Akram                   63
I. Botham        c Rameez b Waqar          24
C. Lewis         not out                    1
P. DeFreitas     not out                    5
  extras (b-4, lb-12, w-18, nb-5)          39
  total (55 overs)                        363/7
  did not bat: R. Illingworth, G. Small
 
Fall of wickets: 1-84 2-95 3-224 4-250 5-269 6-353 7-357

  Akram   11   0 55 1
  Aaqib   11   0 55 2           
  Waqar   11   0 73 4
  Mushtaq 11   1 58 0 
  Ijaz     4   0 29 0
  Aamir    3   0 34 0
  Mujtaba  4   0 43 0


PAKISTAN

Aamir Sohail     c Botham b Lewis          17 
Rameez Raja      c Gooch b DeFreitas        0
*Salim Malik     c Small b Illingworth     45
Asif Mujtaba     c Lewis b DeFreitas        1
Inzamam ul-Haq   run out                   10
Ijaz Ahmed       c Gooch b Botham          23
Wasim Akram      lbw b Illingworth          1
+Rashid Latif    st Stewart b Illingworth  29
Waqar Younis     c Hick b DeFreitas        13
Mushtaq Ahmed    not out                   14
Aaqib Javed      c Stewart b Small          2
 extras (lb-5, w-5)                        10
 total (46.1 overs)                       165 (all out)

Fall of wickets: 1-2 2-22 3-27 4-60 5-87 6-98 7-103 8-129 9-153

  DeFreitas   11   1 33 3
  Lewis        8   2 24 1
  Botham      11   1 41 1
  Small        5.1 0 28 1
  Illingworth 11   1 34 3

RESULT

England won by 198 runs.
Man of the Match: Robin Smith.
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From: shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Subject: Re: Replays for Umpiring
Reply-To: shamim@.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:38:29 GMT

Just a quick comment on umpiring:

What was absolutely clear from the Oval test was that when you had two
good umpires who were respected by both sides, nothing untoward
happened at all.  We had very few appeals, we even had the pleasurable
sight of seeing and hearing Rameez appeal, stifle it when he realized
that Smith had not played the ball, and then apologize all around by
waving his hands as if to dismiss the appeal.

We also had the great sight of Waqar smiling and joking with Bird when
the latter had turned down a very potent appeal off Atherton (Bailey
actually claimed that Atherton looked "more out than Stewart") at a
critical point in the match.

So it seemed clear to a lot of people at the Oval that the problems
vanished once we got umpires that were respected.  A reasonable
proposal that came out and made the rounds at the Oval was that perhaps
TCCB (and other host countries) could make up a list of umpires and let
the visiting team select two or three for the tests.  This might go a
long way towards easing the tension and may avert the need for
independent umpires.  The problem is that nobody knows how to pay
umpires who do not get selected from such a panel.


	--SAN
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: The Punjab theory of fast-bolwing.
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:16:19 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.



The Indian subcontinent has produced four genuine fast bowlers: Muhammad
Nissar, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younus.  All from Punjab.  
There have also been four other highly successful fast-medium bowlers,
namely, Khan Muhammad, Fazal Mahmood, Sarfraz Nawaz and Kapil Dev.  These
are all from Punjab as well (actually, Kapil is from the bordering 
state of Haryana but it's essentially Punjabi heartland).  This Punjabi
over-representation amongst the subcontinent's quickies defies statistical
reasoning.  What's so special about Punjab ?

The least likely possibility is that Punjabis have a genetic advantage
that makes them better fast bowlers.  Another unlikely explanation is
that the Punjabis play more cricket, since there are several areas in
India and Pakistan that play just as much.  I think the two best
possible reasons underlying Punjabi monopoly of subcontinental fast-
bowling are (i) quicker local wickets; and (ii) better nutrition.
Punjab is the most fertile region in the Indian subcontinent, offering
green outfields and [presumably] sporting wickets that charm the
imagination and fire the spirit of the budding seamer.  In contrast,
consider a place like Karachi, which is set in a desert.  A typical
situation is for a fast-bowler to be bowling on a concrete wicket that
is 100% predictable and offers no movement, for the outfield to be
rocket-fast with no grass (just rock and sand), for the batsman to 
maximize all the advantages he has, and for the fielding captain to
introduce a bowling change even before the shine has come off.  I don't
know what its like in India, but I'd imagine its equally disheartening
for a fast-bowler to continue. 

The role of better nutrition is harder to argue, but I strongly suspect
it.  With such a fertile soil and abundant food, the caloric intake of
Punjabi children and youth is very likely significantly higher than
in other areas of the subcontinent, enough to make their bodies 
willing substartes for taking on the labor-intensive craft of fast
bowling.  



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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Run outs and umpires
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:00:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

In <1992Aug12.162730.17752@leland.Stanford.EDU> urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan) writes:

| Surely the umpire doesn't know in most cases whether a direct throw will
| hit the stumps or whether a fielder will have to collect it and then remove
| the bails!

He'll know in the last half second or second, in almost all cases, and
its that kind of time that we're talking about here, its only what happens
in that final instant that matters.  In case where some fieldsman is
standing there with his hands almost on the bails, and the ball comes in
just below the hands and hits the bails, then yes, the umpire should be
watching that.  I don't know how many times that happens, I don't
recally seeing anything like it anytime recently, when the ball looks as
if its going to hit the stumps, the fielder usually gets out of its way.

kre
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From: jka@ipsa.reuter.com (Jan Arendtsz)
Subject: AU vs SL, 1st Test, 2nd Day, Latest Score
Organization: Reuters Information Services (Canada) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:58:51 GMT


Colombo, Aug 18:

At tea, SL were 156 for 3 wickets, chasing Australia's 256. Australia took 
two wickets during the afternoon session, including those of opener
Roshan Mahanama for 78, and star batsman Arvinda de Silva for 6. This was
Mahanama's 3rd fifty in 12 test matches. He was caught behind by Healy off
the bowling of Mark Waugh...

Will post the scoreboard when I receive it... hopefully soon.


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From: shaw@computing-science.aberdeen.ac.uk (Adrian Y Cymro Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: England win Texaco Trophy
Date: 20 Aug 1992 15:01:58 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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England won the third One Day International and so took an unassailable 3-0
lead in the 5 match series.

England:  363-7 from 55 overs
Pakistan: 165 all out

England won by 198 runs.

England's innings included 7 sixes and the fastest 50 in One Day Internationals,
Hick scoring 50 from 34 balls. All the batsmen contributed (for a change!) to
the highest ever ODI limited over total.

Sorry I don't have the Pakistan scorecard (I posted the England one at the close
of their innings).

Bob Willis named Smith Man of the Match for his 77.

The selectors had promised before the match to experiment with other players
once the Texaco Trophy was secured. Wel will have to see what they come up with
for the last two matches on Saturday and Monday.

--
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From: mgw@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Martin White)
Subject: Re: County Championship 1992 August 14 (Friday)
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:46:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.203914.8283@st-andrews.ac.uk>, cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele) writes:
|> 
|> County Championship 1992 August 14 (Friday) 
|> 
    scores deleted
|> 
|> Regretably, there will soon be a break in coverage. From about 20th August to
|> 6th September, I will be in 'The Cricket-Starved Land' (as one netter put it)
|> and will have no access either to the scores or to a terminal. Apologies about
|> this but I'll be back for the last week or two of the season.

  From someone in a 'cricket starved country' , thanks very much for your
postings - you have done a great job. Its been good to be able to keep track
of the country games, although not happy to see Hampshire's decline from the 
 top spot.    thanks again and enjoy your travels.
    Trogg

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From: jka@ipsa.reuter.com (Jan Arendtsz)
Subject: AU vs SL, 1st Test, 2nd Day, Close
Organization: Reuters Information Services (Canada) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:11:36 GMT


Asanka Gurusinghe and Arjuna Ranatunga shared an unbroken fourth wicket
partnership of 128 as SL took control of the 1st test against Australia.

Gurusingha, playing the anchor role scored an unbeaten 87 in 291 minutes with
13 fours. 

Hmm... seems like Australia have the hard task of surviving on a pitch which
is supposed to be encouraging spin. That is of course if Sl can get a score
of 400+.

Scoreboard

SHRI-LANKA 1st INNINGS

R. Mahanama C Healy B Waugh		78
C. Hathurusinghe C Taylor B Waugh	18
A. Gurusigha NOT OUT			87
A. De Silva LBW Matthews		06
A. Ranatunga NOT OUT			69

EXTRAS					07

TOTAL (For 3 Wkts at close)	       265

Fall Of Wkts: 36, 128, 137

Bowling

McDermott	21-5-51-0
Whitney		19-6-44-0
Moody		12-3-27-0
Waugh		11-3-31-2
Warne		10-2-55-0
Matthews	21-5-55-1 


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From: sobitha@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Sobitha W Samaranayake)
Subject: SL/AUS Test match D5
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:20:09 GMT


AUS beat SL by 16 runs !

At the end of the third day SL had a lead of 271 runs.

AUS 2-inn. 473

SL 2-inn. 166
From: amatin@prism.poly.edu (Akbar Matin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: "The Cricketer, Pakistan" Annual Subscription...
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:29:53 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York



Many netters have sent me e-mail inquiring about getting a subscription for
"The Cricketer, Pakistan". I am putting the information on the network. If
you have further queries, feel free to send me e-mail.

"The Cricketer, Pakistan" annual subscription rates:

       USA, Canada, West Indies, Australia, New Zealand: US $ 36.00

       UK, Soviet Union, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, Far Eastern
       and the European Countries: US $ 30.00

Only bank drafts will be accepted. Drafts must be payable at some branch
of any bank in Karachi, Pakistan.

Address:        Mr. Riaz Ahmed Mansuri
                Managing Editor, "The Cricketer, Pakistan"
                First Floor, Spencer's Building
                I. I. Chundrigar Road
                Karachi, Pakistan

The magazine is sent by registered mail.
From: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Fastest 50 in O/D Internationals
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:29:53 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU


	is by Simon O'Donnel, off 17 or 18 balls. I do not remember
VS whom, but it was in Sharjah few years back.

						S. Muhunthan,
	"Shortest distance between two people is a smile"
	finger sivap-m@sybil.cs.buffalo.edu for address & phone #
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From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Re: Umpiring at the Oval/Headingly
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:09:17 GMT

I can't find SAN's original posting but if I am correct it stated that things
went more smoothly at the Oval because the umpires were respected by the Pak
team and then went on to propose a roster of umps. from which the visitng team
chose the one they liked.

San, if I have the correct posting, could you tell me what (specifically) the
Headingly umpires have done such that the Pak team no longer respect them? If I
have the wrong posting, please ignore this.

Andrew Coad
Morgan Stanley
New York
(212) 732-2379
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