HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
Subject: Re: How I LILOed
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:38:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.110711.35901@uservx.plk.af.mil> simonich@uservx.plk.af.mil writes:
> I am a firm believer in specific examples for software.  Therefore,
> for the (possible) help it may provide to other newbies here
> is what I did to boot from my hard disk.  

Excellent idea !

> step 5:  uncompress and untar lilo 4 source and binaries into 
>          /usr/src/lilo

You only need the binaries if you can't or don't want to compile the
source. Note that the binaries won't work with the 0.97-pl2 kernel.

> step 6:  get a copy of dparam.com from lilo onto a dos readable
>          disk
> [...]
> step 11:  Edit the /etc/lilo/disktab file to reflect your disks.
>           mine looks like this:

/etc/lilo/disktab is only needed for SCSI disks, but it doesn't do any
harm (if done properly) on non-SCSI disks.

> step 9:  make lilo.  edit the Makefile and change:
>            
> CC=cc    -->  CC=gcc
> CPP=cpp  -->  $(CC) -E
> [...]

Or link gcc to cc. I'll use $(CC) -E in the next release instead of
cpp. It's probably a bit more portable that way.

> Step 13:  If that worked, prepare to boot from the hard disk:
>
>              cd /etc/lilo 
>              ./lilo -b /dev/sda2 -i boot.b -v -v -v Image

You should create a little shell script with this command. First, because
this may become rather complex if you add more boot images or operating
systems to boot, and second, because you have to re-run it whenever you
update your kernel or LILO.

You could also add the -c option to compact the map file. This makes
booting a bit faster.

>                     HAVE BACKUP COPIES OF EVERYTHING.
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^
>                     Read the READMEs
>                     MAKE SURE YOU HAVE BACKUP COPIES OF EVERYTHING.
>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^
>                     Make sure your backup copies (see above) are
>                       on FLOPPY disks.
>                     Can you REALLY regenerate your system from 
>                       the FLOPPIES?
>                     Ask questions BEFORE you make an irrevocable change

Very good points ! :-)

It's also a good idea to verify that your emergency system recovery disks
that you've made long long ago and stored at a safe place (wet, dusty,
spiders, ...) still work with your current setup and are actually still
readable. It's no fun to be greeted by a kernel panic because of a bad
sector on your only root image disk after you've messed up your hard disk
boot sequence ...

- Werner
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 / IFW A44  Tel. +41 1 254 7213                 almesberger@rzvax.ethz.ch /
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ngoh@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Hien 'Striker' Ngo)
Subject: Re: How to create a user and other questions!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:54:37 GMT

In article <trussell.715382067@cwis> trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:
>sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram) writes:
>
[adduser comments deleted]
>
>>--- When I try to use emacs, it says that it cannot find some 'X' library.
>>	Since my current Video card is NOT supported by Linux, I have not 
>>	installed X yet. Is there a work around for this?
>
>    The emacs provided has X11 support built in, so you'll have to install
>X11 to get the X libraries in /lib.
>

I believe the switch you are looking for is -nw.  This should bring
gnuemacs up in the no windows mode.

[remainder of article omitted]

Hien D. Ngo
ngoh@ucsu.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: harry@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Kuo-Chen Chang)
Subject: Is SLIP available on LINUX?
Keywords: SLIP
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:47:56 GMT

This might an FAQ.  Is SLIP available on Linux?
From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: utter frustration with making GCC 2.2.2d
Date: 3 Sep 1992 04:11:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu




i have followed the FAQ.GGC and release notes to no avail. Would some1
please help me out a bit.

I got the follow files from tsx-11:
2.2.2d(db,lib,misc).tar.Z    3 files!!!!
binutils.tar.Z
0.97pl1inc.tar.Z
install.2.x

Due to linux's filename lenght limitations I renamed them as follows and put
them in my root dir:

2d(db,lib,misc).tar.Z
097inc.tar.Z

Then, as the docs say, I typed sh install.2.x -v 2d /foo/src/linux

It barfed when it looked for that dir, /foo/src/linux. So I made it
and uncompressed and untared 097inc.tar.Z into it, making
/foo/src/linux/include/linux....which it was looking for.
Now it barfs looking for /foo/src/linux/include/asm.

i am totally confused. Are there any better docs????
thanx in advance

-- 
MaThiEu a. LeWis      "There is no middle ground/Or that's how it seems/For 
Thieves Like Us        us to walk or to take/Instead we tumble down/Either
mal11@po.cwru.edu      side left or right/To love or to hate."
					-A Strange Kind of Love
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: colin@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Colin Manning)
Subject: Re: Xwindows
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:16:23 GMT

Charlie.Lee@f42.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Lee) writes:

>Does anyone have any idea if X11 can be made to run on my Trident SVGA 
>card?  It has 1 meg and the 8900A chip.  When I try running X11, I 
>just get a blank screen.  The keyboard seems to still be active.  I 
>haven't gotten around to fiddling with the clock values yet. 

	I think I remember reading in comp.unix.bsd that someone in wrote a
 rident driver for 386bsd.
-- 
Colin
------
colin@cs.curtin.edu.au
--
Colin
------
colin@cs.curtin.edu.au
From: combee@prism.gatech.EDU (Ben Combee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SEGV error compiling Rogue source off TSX-11
Keywords: linux, GCC, Rogue, compiler, SEGV, signal
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:13:14 GMT
Organization: Satellite of Love, Gizmonic Institute

Situation: I just installed MCC 0.97pl2 (very nice job, Owen) including
GCC 2.2.2d, G++, gdb, and all the utils and misc disks.  Extracted the
file from tsx-11's source/usr.games Rogue clone to a directory and applied
the two patch files to it included in the tar archive.

First, I just ran make on it.  It died while compiling curses.c with
signal 11 which according to /usr/include/sys/linux/signals.h (or very
similar) is the segmentation violation error.

OK... checked makefile and changed it to use -lcurses and -ltermcap instead
of its internal curses type system.  I did a fresh make, it compiled
curses.c fine, but stopped with another signal 11 on the next file, hit.c
I think.

Any ideas why GCC would be choking on this?  I was able to compile several
other packages including life and Tetris for Terminals correctly with no
problems.  My system is a 33 mHz AMD-386 based clone with 4MB and a 3.5MB
swap partition.

ObPraise: Thanks to H.J. for the compiler port and Linux for the kernel and
	  countless others for a great system.
-- 
Benjamin L. Combee                 |  -===-
Internet: combee@prism.gatech.edu  | =   ___  "Home of the Big G Burger" 
1991-1992 joint enrollee           | -     =    -- MST3K, Comedy Central
C, Modula-2, C++ resource          |  -===-
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: Bus mouse
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:55:30 GMT

rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student)) wrote:
>
>I asked before, among other questions but no answer.
>Please, big PLEASE, tell me HOW DO YOU USE BUSMOUSE?
>I mean do you have to create device file for it?
>I applied busmouse patch but I can't try it.
>X without mouse is no fun ;);)

Sorry, first time I've seen the question...

You create the bus mouse device by doing this
as root:

	mknod /dev/bm c 10 0

Then, in your Xconfig file, set up the mouse as "busmouse" on
"/dev/bm".

Really, the filename doesn't matter (I've got mine on /dev/mouse),
but they must both be the same.  /dev/bm seems to be the standard now.

>
>PS OK, sorry for screaming but I'm waiting to use my 
>X effectivelly. And answer must be simple ;);) is it?

It should be: if your mouse works with the driver, and if I haven't
forgotten anything, that should put you in business.

-Dave

-- 
David Giller, Box 134 | Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light
Occidental College    | bulb?  A: Three.  One to replace the bulb, and two to
1600 Campus Road      | fend off all the Californians trying to share the
Los Angeles, CA 90041 | experience. ---------------------------rafetmad@oxy.edu
From: cole@concert.net (Derrick C. Cole)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Microsoft bus mouse support
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:39:20 GMT
Organization: MCNC Data Operations

Greetings!

After receiving only two responses to my previous post about Microsoft bus
mouse support under Linux/X11 (and those were requesting a copy of what I had)
I'd like to post the question again:

Does anyone have the Microsoft bus mouse working under Linux/X11?  If so,
please share your knowledge!

Thanks,
Derrick

-- 
Worf is a "sensitive" Klingon.
======
Derrick Cole                                  MCNC Center for Communications
From: swaliff@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Steve Aliff)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Can a boot start on C: and complete on D:?
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:08:46 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

Having spent some time playing with Linux, I'm ready to get serious
about it and wish to install it in a more-or-less permanent fashion
on my system. Unfortunately, it looks like I'm stuck with MSDOS for
a while yet in order to use my CMS tape drive and maybe a few other
nit-noy things.

I have two IDE drives; the primary drive is a 105MB quantum, the
secondary is a 200MB Maxtor. I had planned to dedicate the 105 to
DOS and the 200 to Linux. However, after playing with Linux for a
few days, it appears to me that I may need a small Linux partition
on the 105 in order to boot Linux from the hard-drive. (I'm thinking
ROOT would go on the 105.) Is this true or is there a program
similar to SHOELACE which will let me optionally boot MSDOS from my
105 OR Linux from my 200?

Any and all advice is welcomed.

TIA,
-- 
Steve Aliff (swaliff@afterlife.ncsc.mil [144.51.1.1])
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: t-piersh@microsoft.com (Piers Haken)
Subject: Video7 support for X?
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:11:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond, WA 98052


I have a Video7 VRAM II board which allows me to run 1024x768x256 in
Windows but I can't find any mention of this type of board in the
Linux docs. Is there any support for this - it seems that the only
thing you can run X on is an ET{3/4}000 board, is this true or am
I just missing something?

Apart from that, a great OS.

Piers.
-- 
Disclaimer: These views are my own and not necessarily
            those of the company for which I work.
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: Tom Davies <tomd@horse.demon.co.uk>
Subject: FAQ: Mach10 - what's it like
Organization: Organisation?!?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:54:01 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Hi,
    I'm interested in Mach10, for a IIsi. I'd like to know what it gives
you - is it BSD
Unix, or just a Mach kernel, is there a gcc port for it and any other
useful info.

	Thanks to anyone who can comment.

    Tom
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: S3679988@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (S3679988)
Subject: color X for mach/386
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:45:45 GMT
X-Posted-From: phobos.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hi, i was wonderign if there was a color X11 port that supported
a vanilla SVGA card. X11R4 works fine, but it is only one bit,
i would like 8 bit, but i really need at least 3 bit to do
some vlsi work that i have. I tried working with X11R5, but
i couldn't get it to work with my card.

question is: is there a color X11R4 port that works with vanilla SVGA 
cards?

-- craig
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: pererik@cmi.no (Per-Erik Nordbo)
Subject: USL is dumping the monolithix kernal
Organization: Chr. Michelsen Institute
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 06:32:59 GMT

A few lines in Unix Review (August '92?) says that USL has licensed microkernal techology from Chorus. Is this the end of USL's monolithic kernal?

-- 
Per Erik Nordboe, Christian Michelsen Research, Norway pererik@cmr.no
From: kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Re: Mach 3.0 on 386/486
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:06:22 GMT
Reply-To: kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Organization: Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc.

I'm using Mach386 2.6MSD on T2200SX. Very reliable and usable.

In article <Bts7q1.1I5@percy.rain.com> , 
	nerd@percival.rain.com (Michael Galassi) writes 
> When bugs are fixed, there is no way to get
>the fixes unless you have their overpriced autosupport (Sun, SCO, and
>HP all make fixes available over the internet.

Why not use NNTPSSERVER autosupport.mtxinu.com? Of course, if you need
technical support you have to pay for it, but in case of announcement,
mach386.updates mach386.buglist mach386.users news group is quite enough.

(At least it contributes US export ... :-)
---
Shinji Kono @           kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc,Japan
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: BNR2SS, Mach, and The Lawsuit (was Re: GNU kids on the block?)
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:47:47 GMT

In article <RWD.92Aug26182604@ERNST.MACH.CS.CMU.EDU>, rwd@CS.CMU.EDU (Randall Dean) writes:
| While we are not about to stop anyone who already has a copy
| from using BNR2SS, we are no longer distributing it. 

So then, where *is* it available.  I wouldn't object to having a copy
spinning around on my disk in case there is a need to start
counter-terrorism operations...   ;-)

-- 
---
 Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA 01907 USA
 Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430, Net: witr@rwwa.COM
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: rwd@CS.CMU.EDU (Randall Dean)
Subject: Re: BNR2SS, Mach, and The Lawsuit (was Re: GNU kids on the block?)
Originator: rwd@ERNST.MACH.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: rwd+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Aug25.123854.26792@uwm.edu> <59908@mimsy.umd.edu>
	<1992Aug26.205942.23188@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:26:04 GMT


I speak for me and how I precieve things going on here at
CMU.  I do not necessarily speak for anyone else including
CMU.

While we are not about to stop anyone who already has a copy
from using BNR2SS, we are no longer distributing it.  CMU is
not willing to risk getting drawn into a lawsuit over this.
By stopping distribution as soon as the lawsuit with BSDI
and CSRG went public, we can claim that we acted in good
faith and never knowingly distributed AT&T code.  While I
dont necessarily agree with this choice, I understand it.
I put a number of months into BNR2SS and would hate to see
it die here, but it is not my choice.

Randall Dean
Senior Research Programmer
Mach Project
CMU
From: mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Re: Mach 3.0 on 386/486
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:22:09 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <1992Aug24.200820.24081@engage.pko.dec.com>, by eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco):
> 
>> In article <lychan.713673949@yak>, lychan@socs.uts.edu.au (91031322 l y chan) writes:
>> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 22:45:49 GMT+5:00
>> From: lychan@socs.uts.edu.au (91031322 l y chan)
>> Subject: Mach 3.0 on 386/486
> 
> Do NOT, repeat, do NOT buy Mach from Mt. Xinu!! One of my friends (I graduated
> from Carnegie Mellon and was taught by the current Mach leader) was on the Mach
> team and he said tha Mt. Xinu's version was several revs behind and not quality
> work.  Why pay lots of money when the CMU i386 version is complete and
> standalone (now at least).

	Mt Xinu is attempt to sell a comercial robust product, read this
to mean not the latest version of everything. Real paying customers like
software to work. We are not all Un*x and Mach experts and cannot do our
own software support, we are not all Academic institutions with internet
access. This is where a company like Mt Xinu comes in.

	Also Mt Xinu system provided an ideal boot strap system for Mach 3.0
, which I believe is version 2.5


	OSF would be the ideal supplier if they targeted intel, they seem to
caught up with MIPS and Alpha releases to provide a finish product for Intel.

	I guess we wait long enough we will have OSF/? on everthing
and a hackers version of Mach?.? available everywhere.


	Cheers
		Mark :)
-- 
Mark Garrett	Internet:  mark@arvak.une.edu.au	Phone: 	+61 66 20 3859
   University of New England, Northern Rivers, Lismore NSW Australia.
Xref: sparky comp.os.mach:1069 gnu.misc.discuss:2759
From: bryanf@hpmcaa (Bryan Ford)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Mach manuals
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:45:40 GMT
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Just an idea...  When I started getting interested in Mach and wanted to get
the manuals for it, I had a real interesting time finding a decent way to
print them out or view them in a usable way, without having access to a
good PostScript printer.  Are these manuals available pre-printed from
CMU or the OSF, or anywhere else, for a decent price?  If so, why isn't this
information in a reasonably obvious place (such as a text file named 
'printed_manuals' stored next to the PostScript manuals on mach.cs.cmu.edu,
for example)?  If not, perhaps the Free Software Foundation would consider
providing such a service...?  Or is this not being done because the Mach
3.0 manuals (and Mach itself) aren't quite finished yet?

Just wondering...
				Bryan
From: salehi@gaia.cs.umass.edu (James Salehi)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Staff programmer position (Posting locations requested)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:49:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, UMass/Amherst

Our networking research group here at UMass is searching for a 
staff programmer to join our Parallel Protocols Project laboratory.  
We posted a couple of days ago on USENET (misc.jobs.offered, ne.jobs).  

But since we'll be using Mach on several shared-memory multiprocessor 
platforms, as we experiment with protocols over high-speed networks, 
I thought the readers of the mach3 mailing list and newsgroup
may be able to provide us a more diverse and perhaps more appropriate 
source of locations where we can direct the listing.  

If you know a good location where we can post, I'd appreciate hearing from 
you.  Locations at universities and companies using Mach are of
particular interest.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Salehi                                     Department of Computer Science
Networks and Performance Group                 University of Massachusetts
salehi@cs.umass.edu                            Amherst, MA 01003
                                               (413) 545-3179

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Jim Salehi                                     Department of Computer Science
Networks and Performance Group                 University of Massachusetts
salehi@cs.umass.edu                            Amherst, MA 01003
                                               (413) 545-3179
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie (Mark J. Crosbie)
Subject: Re: Mach on Public domain ???
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:36:15 GMT

In <1992Aug24.201132.24279@engage.pko.dec.com> eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco) writes:

>There is only one Mach, and it is developed by Carnegie Mellon University (my
>alma mater).  It is freely-distributable, like GCC and BSD, but it is not
>public domain.  You can do anything you wish to it. You may FTP a copy of it
>from cs.cmu.edu.

>Eric Ewanco
>Carnegie Mellon E'92
>ee0n+@andrew.cmu.edu

Hi
Is it not true that the actual kernel is itself freely-distributable but
to be of any use, you need the BSD server and unix emulator which
provide
the necessary file system and system call interfaces which unix programs
expect. On its own the Mach 3.0 kernel is nothing more than a
micro-kernel with no file system or concept of a user interface.
I believe that these parts are non-free, ie. you gotta pay $$$ for them!
This I surmise from the following message from CMU (Mary Thompson):
"
Subject: Research Distribution of Mach 3.0
Author: Mary R. Thompson
Date: Feb, 1992

We are distributing the pure kernel with or without
the single server Unix environment to outside research groups.  
Note that we are not providing a complete operating system and this
should  not be thought of as an upgrade from Mach 2.5 or 2.6 MSD. 
 [ stuff deleted ]

Access to the Unix server requires Berkeley licensing as in Mach 2.5, but
access to the kernel itself, Mach libraries, etc. does not.  

 [stuff deleted]

The initial distribution consists of sources only for the kernel, Unix
server and some Mach programs. The Unix server provides only the
functionality of the Unix kernel. Neither the sources nor binaries are
supplied for the complete Unix operating environment. 

[etc]
"
See what I mean?

Mark Crosbie		mcrosbie@ashe.cs.tcd.ie
Dept. of Computer Science
Trinity College, Dublin
Dublin 2
Ireland.

Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: henan@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (He Nan)
Subject: Re: Mach 3.0 on 386/486
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:41:30 GMT

Dear Netter:

     Could anybody tell me the ftp-sites of UNIX-like OS for 386 via
email? Evoluation of those OS's is very valuable, too. Thanks in advance!

--Norbert N. He
From: dri@gl.pitt.edu (Paul)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Writing Mach 3.0 Servers
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:41:41 GMT
Followup-To: None

I am looking for someone who has experience with writing Mach 3.0 single
servers.  In particular someone at CMU that worked on the BNR2SS port.

What I am would like is a relation of there experiences from writing a
SS of that complexity.  I have read the OSF/Mach document on writing
Mach 3.0 servers but I would like to know more.  If anyone fitting the
above discription is interested in cooresponding please reply to:
dri@apollo.gl.pitt.edu

Thanks in advance for any help.
__ 

C

Newsgroups: comp.os.mach