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From: GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Subject: Re: Pro-clinton/gore rhetoric, or simply an appeal for decency?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:37:10 GMT
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> I take it you come down on the incapacitation side in this issue?
> JAG

Huh?
Steve Karlson
The cheesehead stands alone.
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It is generally true that those who want guarantees of 'rehabilitation'
believe that it is not possible (and guaranteed rehab is definitely not)
and would prefer to have the 'criminal' kept incapicated from doing another
crime, i.e., still locked up.

JAG
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Subject:      Re: Respite from the Kiddies
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              06 Oct 92 18:17:48 -0000. <9210062250.AA28711@sics.se>

 >That was the idea (at least as far as I was concerned...)  But hell, they're
 >big boys, and they can take it, right?  It's good character-building stuff...

  Well, this is a reasonable comment in view of the appreciative things
the VMI cadets had to say about military discipline.

 >(Anyone else here except me ever been court-martialled?)

  No, but I've been jailed...
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Subject:      Re: gas tax

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sales taxes differ).  No, I don't know why gas stations figure prices
to the .009 of a dollar.
Steve Karlson
 The cheesehead stands alone.
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Likely explanation is that the taxes were/are based $.0xx/gal.

JAG
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Subject:      Re: Twelve years of R-B?? (Was Stockdale!)

Greetings, Steve,

Thanks for the citation.

Marty
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From:         "(Joan Boorstein)" <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Aw Sh*t
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>That makes me *so* mad that I did that.  Not changing the
>header on that last post.....  Dammit!  Signing that post
>with my real-virtual name instead of my figmented-virtual
>name....  Sh*t.... F*ck...... H*ll....G*sh D*rn...
>Now you all know who -*imr is.....  I could just go out
>and <shoot> myself.
>--#@%

Even I, who does not see mail headers, knew who '-*imr' was
since ggs signed the first In Media Res posting -- but don't
ask me why I made the connection when I began seeing postings
signed by imr -- just had the giggles tone to them I think --

I also guessed that Santa was Chri and I was not around when
the first Santa postings were made -- again it was the tone
the first postings had --

--- Joan (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
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From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: cracking wise about inhaling
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> Methinks me smells conservative newbie meat.....where's all the liberals
> when needed?  huh?   8-)   After all, we've got a pro-bush msg right
> before this one.....and now this....and.....
>
> Marty?  Neal?  Natalie?

It's just a usenetter cruising through.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Rita Leonard 552-3403 (617)"
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>
> On a different subject, why do I keep picture Mousketeer ears on Perot's
> head?  I'm watching the debate right now.  Btw, I trust that you all
> realize that double modals are standard in Southern U.S. English.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)


Oh!  So that's who Cubbie grew up to be!

Rita L. (still behind)
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Greetings,

Great, Dan and Karen get "loved" by the veemisters, and all I get is
told not to be so uptight.

Marty
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      RE: Model Railroad

And it appears to have worked!  If you're tempted in the future,
remember, I work in O Scale, the King of Gauges

Steve Karlson

The cheesehead stands alone
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:46:36 -0400
From:         "(Joan Boorstein)" <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: a-HEM.
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>Jenna doesn't live here any more.  She sidled off quietly in a huff.  I think
>it was something someone said on IRC...

I thought Jenna had gone off to the West Coast, Northern California
specifically, on her honeymoon and to take up residence on the ranch near
Eureka.

--- Joan (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
From: TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet))
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Subject: Natalies Q about Clinton's tax plan
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:55:00 GMT
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Natalie asks:

    >>Notice how Clinton slimed around on that one during the
    >>debate--he added taxes on foreign companies when Bush pointed
    >>out--without sufficient enthusiasm,
    >
    >I remember his mentioning taxes on foreign companies but don't
    >remember having the impression that he was "sliming around" when
    >he said it.  Can somebody post that part of the transcript for
    >our review?  (I'm asking that not because I think it will prove
    >that he said good things -- I'm asking it because I'm genuinely
    >curious now about the sequence of comments.)

I believe the reference is to the question: "So there would be no tax
increases below $200,000?"

Clinton: "That's right. My plan, notwithstanding my opponent's ad, my
plan triggers in at gross incomes--family incomes of $200,000 and
above. Then we want to give modest middle-class tax relief to restore
some fairness, especially to middle-class people with families with
incomes of under $60,000. In addition to that, the money that I raise
from upper-income people and from asking foreign corporations just to
pay the same income on their income earned in America that American
corporations do will be used to give incentives back to upper-income
people."

One may disagree with the proposal, but it's hardly "sliming."

Jim (The NYT runs the transcripts) Thomas
From: N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (gilbertsmith)
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Subject: Re: Gleanings (63): CFWOWC
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:20:00 GMT
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CFWOWC:  Colleague From What Once Was Czechoslovakia
.
Could also be rendered CFWWOC (What Was Once Cz..) but
that didn't seem to play so well.
.
This occurs in the unfinished saga of WHTMINJ, as the tc/sw
could not spend the night in the hotel because of the CFWOWC's
desire to have some <solitude>....
.
I am depressed that I was only worthy of *one* gleaning...
A sign of my reduced imaginative powers of late....
--ggs (but then *everybody's powers seem to be in decline of
  late, except J"   "W, who is getting <out of hand>...)
From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
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Subject: Re: Presidential politics
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:53:20 GMT
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maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor) writes:
> But I keep wondering why he's saying these things if they are so
> obviously wrong that ordinary people (e.g., people on WORDS-L) see
> through them.

People on WORDS-L are hardly ordinary.  How many high school dropouts
and hamburger flippers do we have here?

> Even if Clinton is stupid, surely he must have some economic advisors
> somewhere who understand how things work.

Why?  Perhaps he only hires those that agree with him.

> Btw, I can assure you that whichever version of the figures is real,
> the tax won't hit me.  :-)  Nor will it hit most people in the
> academic world -- except administrators.

Don't be so sure.  Do we know if those income figures are for single or
married people?  If they are for married couples then single people
would be affected at half of those income levels.

--karsten

(Currently enjoying a 9% marginal state income tax rate in CA)
From: N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (gilbertsmith)
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Subject: Why Vote Clinton
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:00:00 GMT
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All this political debate stuff on the list is about to make
me puke blood.  Sorry.  It is really very simple:
.
Vote for Clinton because:
  1) Bush is a Republican and really *is* all that crap he
     spouts.
  2) Clinton is a Democrat, and whatever he is *really* like,
     being a Democrat means he will make a difference, and
     the difference will be in the right direction.
  3) Perot is a dictatorial businessman who seems to think
     that if you don't like the job the subordinates are
     doing, you can just fire them and hire somebody else to
     do the job your way.  Democratic government does not
     work that way.
Perot can have a positive influence by making the other two
talk about something important and about *how* to get something
done, but anybody who believes that he could really *do* something
is looking through the wrong end of a brass butt plug.
.
Now, we don't have to talk about this any more.  Somebody
change the subject, please.
--ggs (be gentle with me, my <finger> hurts...)
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: WWHOMYTV

>Well, if you drive I-40/I-85 the least you can do is take a 20 mile
>detour to visit the capital of North Carolina and we can sit on the
>veranda sipping mint julips and reminisce about the good old days
>when you got so pissed at me you <called me names> on the net.
>I am very forgiving and promise to leave out the <mickey>.
>And, BTW, you might at least tell us *where* in Virginia so we
>can trace you down as we drive through there, as we frequently do.
>--ggs (remembering when he called The Ronin a <she>....)

DON'T DO IT, BOB!!!  It's a trap, a trick, a trip to hell!  You'll never come
back!  Save yourself while you have the chan...argkk...argle...bargle...get...
uff...ingers...off...froat...gilbert...uncle...uncle...ouch...ugh...hey...
gasp...cough...

...

Ahem.  I have been informed of the error of my ways.  By all means visit Uncle
Gilbert.  Partake of his food and drink in <good health>. Enjoy your stay with
him and please do relate to us your visit in a future posting -- WHTMWIVUG.

Chris

Okay, you can let go now.  Man, that hurts!







run for it, bob...
From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Date: 15 Oct 92 03:15:44 GMT
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              14 Oct 1992 21:10:23 -0600 from <WHITERJ@ZENO.MSCD.EDU>


 I've marked the 26th on my calendar, Bob!  No Keeneland racing that
 day, but we'll do something appropriately commemorative.  And surely
 there will be time for a WHHTMSFOMWTV message to the list.

  As Mka might say:
  Szerokich drog!  <Happy trails, wide roads!>

  brad
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Missed the boat (was Webster's on line)

moose.cs.indiana.edu

Have I paid my debt to society now?

-K

-Mka
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      From the Annals of PC

*What is a politically correct term for men?
Vaginally disabled.

*AND THE MINKS ON MY WIFE'S COAT ALL COMMITTED SUICIDE
The Eddie Bauer catalog offers pitch-saturated kindling wood "felled
by lightning or other natural causes."
DEAD PAINTER HARASSES PROF

*Nancy Stumhofer, English instructor at Penn State's Schuylkill campus,
has been sexually harassed by Goya's famous painting, "Naked Maja."
Any picture of a nude female, she argued, "encourages males to make
remarks about body parts."  The offending picture had hung on the same
classroom wall for 10 years before it began harassing Stumhoffer.  It
has been exiled to a student center, where it is presumably on probation.

* Myths about Columbus may not be studied or discussed at the
University of Cincinnati.  It's Student Senate has declared the
university "a Columbus-myth-free campus."

*Ms. magazine has a new rule:  Articles about lesbians must be written
by lesbians.

*WHY THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AS WE KNOW IT, MAY BE DOOMED
"My essential point is that the First Amendment does more for men
than it does for women by protecting speech that supports patrimony"
  -- Law Prof. Mary Becker, U of Chicago Law School

-Entropy Publishing
From: TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet))
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Subject: Re: Steve's question on early release
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:32:00 GMT
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Steve, searching for truth, asks:


    >Maybe we know what it is on this list, too.  But Jim, your
    >specialty is criminal justice.  Could you direct us
    >non-specialists to any evidence that early release programs
    >reduce crime, or are by some standard effective at rehabilitating
    >prisoners?

Good question, Steve, and no easy answer. In brief:

1) Willie Horton was in a furlough program (still "in prison," but
allowed to go into the community). Early release is unconditional
release from prison with mandatory supervision (parole or some
equivalent). All states and the federal government employ some form of
furlough, and DuKakis' passivity kept him from making this an issue.
Furloughs have two purposes: Short-time release for special
circumstances (eg, funerals), or longer periods as a means of
reintergration into the community.

2) Early-release is done in several ways. "Good time" credits,
discretionary allocation of "good time" (as occured in Ill. about 8
years ago before it was stopped), or (as especially in Michigan) by
court-order to reduce over-crowding. Early release is only indirectly
tied to rehabilitation--the presumption is that if one has some
incentive, prisons will be calmer and recidivism will be lower. Jim
Austin of the Nat'l council on Crime & Delinquency did a massive study
a few years ago and found that prisoners released early were *less
likely* to recidivate. Although this is somewhat misleading (because
of the screending process that excludes career criminals and other bad
risks), the overwhelming conclusion by any standard is that early
release does not pose an increased threat to the community.

It should also be noted that "early release" generally means a few
months of a multi-year sentence. There is also no evidence that
indicates that longer sentences directly reduce recidivism, although
the older one is, the less likely they are to engage in crimes.  Most
prisoners recidivate in their first two months, and if they make it
past 8 months, they're good bets to stay "clean." This suggests that
policies should be directed toward education and job training and
re-integration for most prisoners.

The effect of lenthy prison sentences may minimal---past a certain
point, the "punishment factor" declines. This suggests that early
release neither reduces the punitive effect of sentencing nor
endangers society any more (or less) than carrying the sentence to
full term.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:30:21 EDT
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Subject:      My Own Gleanings
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Posted on 12 Oct 1992 at 21:47:51 by Entropy Warrior
>-Mka
>-K

I suspect that I am somehow falling into a trap, but I can't stand not
knowing a minute longer.  Why do you have two sigs now, O Warrior?!:

Karen
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clinton's letter - the skeleton et cetera
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> I suppose Clinton's missing passport pages will have to serve as the October
> Surprise...  8-)
>
> John "Where is our wandering boy tonight?" W.

What??!!??  Hadn't heard this one before, sounds like alt.conspiracy material.
It's even more ridiculous than branding Clinton "unpatriotic" because he
visited Moscow as a student/tourist.  They'll be calling him Kandidate Komrade
Klinton next.  As a disinterested observer (for the most part), the campaign
(whatever I've followed) on both sides has been rather enlightening.

rashmi
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:20:58 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Webster's online
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> Oops - forgot aboy that.  Edit webster.c and remove the ../h/ part
> in the #include line.

Which one of these is the ../h/ part??

#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
#include <signal.h>
#include <sgtty.h>
#include <netdb.h>
#include <ctype.h>
#include <stdio.h>

#include "webster.h"

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:26:08 -0400
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Ross
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              "CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu" at Oct 7, 92 8:30 am

>
> Greetings,
>
> Did anyone else watch Ross's lecture last night?  Although many of the
> stats were presented in a misleading way (aren't they always?), I was
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^HOW?? I didn't see it all,
  					 but have had discussions with peo
					 ple who were MOST impressed - and
					 will have more.
> impressed by the presentation.  Of course, Ross remains a one-issue
> candidate, and I'd like to hear him speak substantively on a number of
> issues I think he knows nothing about (civil liberties, diplomacy,
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!yup
> health care, etc.).  Nevertheless, he may after all raise the level of
> discourse on economic issues.
>
> I especially liked the part where he accused former government officials
> who have taken positions representing foreign interests of "economic
> treason."
  ^^^^^^^
  No doubt we'll see congressional hearings on Unamerican
	    				       ^^^^^^^^^^
> Economic Activities sometime soon.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  		    Do you *really* think so?
		    Naaaah...to many ve$$$ted interests in and around Congress

> Marty
>

Still, we should start practice saying "Big Brother Ross", just to get
the hang of it.

Agnes
who, in her capacity as Canadian foreign policy analyst has to watch
what the Big Boys are up to in the US Congress even more than what
anyone else in Canada is doing...esp. on issues such as acid rain
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Thermodynamics
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> >What is the second law of thermodynamics?
>
> --the way I heard, the first law is "you can't win," the second law is
> "you always lose," and the third is "you can't leave the game, either."

No, no, Bayla, not thermodynamics -- those are the laws that *economists*
fail to take into account while formulating their philosophies.  To wit:
1. Capitalism is based on the assumption that you can win.
2. Socialism is based on the assumption that you can break even (or can't lose).
3. Mysticism is based on the assumption that you can quit the game.

rashmi
From: tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
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Date: 15 Oct 92 21:47:18 GMT
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>Good grief - if you rephrase that as 'one superstition is as bad as another'
>then we're in total agreement.

'one superstition is as bad as another' means the same as 'one superstition
is as good as another'.
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From:         "(Joan Boorstein)" <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
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Brad asks:

>A contrarian view:  not for want of stinginess, but for lack of
>technique, I have never been able to get the leftover sliver of soap
>to adhere to or meld with the new bar.  If there is an easy way to
>do this, I would appreciate a demonstration at the next List Event.

Yes, I do know the frustration and the trick seems to be wait until
the 'new' bar has been 'roughed up' a bit -- the worst part for is
having to leave around the little bit of the old bar for the few days
that this takes -- I also have a hard time if the two bars are not
the same brand (but then I usually don't want to mix them anyway and
say what the heck -- toss it!!)

My husband won't always go along and for a while had a secret of
stash of bits of old bars -- was very useful once when I ran out of
laundry detergent -- soak them in a small amount of water and use
in washing machine --

Joan