HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:35:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Apr10.205701.12582@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
->In article <1992Apr10.191537.7396@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
->>In article <1992Apr9.200447.18102@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
->>>In article <1992Apr9.173206.8674@u.washington.edu>, liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
->>>What matters here is $$$$$$$, not freedom.  There's not necessarily anything
->>>wrong with that, but there is something wrong with lying about it.
->>
->>
->>Absolutely right!!  Money talks, that's the Amerikan spirit! 
->>
->
->If more than 5% of our chinese students here said  " we don't want to go back
->to China mainly for political reason " ,  I would say they were very humorous .
->  
->US $1 = China RMB5.8 , more than a day's expanses for a person in China .
->
->If China is rich enough to provide the same amount of money as here , for us , 
->do we have the pressure to come here ?
->
->We come here not for democracy , but for money ( or opportuinties , whatever
->comes to mind).
->
->US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Well, next to $$$$$, the liberalness of the western society as opposed to
the conservativeness of the Chinese society should be another reason for 
staying here.  I can almost sense the flames coming. :-)

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (joe )
Subject: Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (Re: 6.4, green card, freedom...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:27:35 GMT

Shannon Yeh of netix.com writes:

>i thought about this idea be4, but i don't think it will work. 
>the concerns are:

>	1) will they stay quiet in the US?
>	2) will they realize that they are not qualified to "fIgHT" for China's
>	   freedom infrastructure?
>	3) will they return what they owe to china?
>	4) will they make sure:

   Commmme on! Don't mess up CHINA and the current government!  I have PR, but
   I have never tried to change my nationality. People here want to get green
   card do not mean they dislike china. They just want to get away from china
   government if need. I'm sure most people will go back to china when the time
   comes.

   joe
From: xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Wi
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:07:06 GMT
Reply-To: xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Apr14.192947.6168@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
>In article <12144@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu) writes:
>>
>>Does the Congress pass laws prohibitting CSSs from going back to China?
>
>Permission to stay is enough, enough for those...          
>
>Take time to change status!   Is this the most talked about topic?

I think this has already been clearified. If you want to discuss it
further, please talk it in the proper contex.

Hao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Scott, scold is not good.
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:55:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.003113.2310@bohra.cpg.oz.au>, jan@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Ji An) writes:
<horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<
<>Idiots.
<
<Gou Zui Li Tu Bu Chu Xiang Ya (but your moouth can).

Also _xiang4 zui3 li3 tu4buchu1 gou3 ya2_?  :-)

You're right, though.  Actually, as one net.friend recently said, I shouldn't
even waste my time with these guys.  _Hao3 ren2 bu4li3 chou4 gou3 shi3._

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:04:32 GMT
Reply-To: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Ohio State University: Physics Department

In article <wangf.703124247@kynok.ucs.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>
>Thanks a lot!  Now, the fool has more q's.  I thought Yin1 li4 is 
>lunar canlender (actually, a net pointed two weeks ago the yin li---
>Chinese calender is neither lunar nor solar calender) and yang2 li4 is
>solar calender.  Now, forget the terms lunar or solar, the yin1 li4 and
>yang2 li4 really confuse me.  I don't understand why Jan. 1 in yin li 
>varies a lot in yang li but qin ming counted from yin li does no change
>in yang li unless in leap year. 


	Well, it all depends on which system you use.  Say if we
had kept using the Yin Li in our daily life and adopting the Yang Li only
as a reference when needed, you would have complained about the ever
changing dates of Yang Li's New Year's day and Qing Ming, but satisfied to
celebrate the Yin Li's New Year's day (Spring Festivel) on the very same
day in calendar every year, right?  :-)

	The point is that the Yang Li and Jie Qi varies according to the
Sun while the Yin Li goes with the Moon.  Thus one has to change if it is
to be fitted into the other system.

	Talking about relative motion in daily life...  :-)


    Eddie
From: LIUX1@VAX.LSE.AC.UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: three gorges dam
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:35:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: nettlera.9204091235.AA25079


Dear Sirs,

I have sent you my article about the Three Gorges Dam Porject. If you have any
comment and suggestion on the project, please contact me by E-mail.

Thanks and regards,

Xuelin Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Attack my points , not my head , please .
Summary: Let's follow thw same rule below
Keywords: Gangs in Dongbei chose quiet places to settletheir personal conflic
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:16:08 GMT

   One thing I love the most about America is you can
say almost everything , if no threat to " the safety
of country" is detected .

   Onet hing I worry the most is whether we are quarelling
with the oppenents personaly , or just refute their opinions .

   After I search through more than 7 newsgroups , I got the 
conclusion below ( sorry for the possible mistake thus made) :

SCC is one of the few newsgroup who have the sense of class
struggle . Chinese bring the concept to the world .


   When oponents have absolutely different ideas from us ,
should we impose ours on theirs , or should we persuade 
them through reasoning ?

   A guess : we have the tedency to think we are right ,
the opponets are not , do we ?

  The imagines of chinese can be reflected from what we 
behave here .

  We can see from ourselves that many of us can not consider
other people's opinions seriously . If China wants to be
more democratic , we should change ourselves on this aspect .

  Attack my points , not my head .

  Please .

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: rvp2f@Virginia.edu  (Prasad Polamraju)
Subject: Magazine Subscription Service, free magazine offer
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 19:46:30 GMT

Keywords: Magazine Subscription

	I recently came across a magazine subscription company
in New York that has some good deals for new customers.  If you
are currently subscribing to atleast two magazines, they will give a
free magazine subscription for a year in exchange for the opportunity
to bid for your renewals.  If you don't recieve any magazines
now, then if you buy one or more, they will still give you one free.
Their phone # is 800-433-1357 (outside New York) and 718-967-1234 (in
New York). Their timings are 9-5 Mon-Fri, Eastern Time

	I have been using their service for about 2 year and have 
no problems so far. They call me once whenever any renewal is due
and they do not pester me if I say no to a renewal. If you call them,
you may have to mention my name or some other existing customer's name,
because they only accept new customers through referrals 
from existing customers. I am not connected to them except that I 
have been their customer for some time.
 
Prasad Polamraju
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From: yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:08:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <wangf.703124247@kynok.ucs.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>>>>	April 4, 1992	:)   (not lunar calendar, of course.)
>
>yang2 li4 really confuse me.  I don't understand why Jan. 1 in yin li 
>varies a lot in yang li but qin ming counted from yin li does no change
>in yang li unless in leap year. 

According yang2 li4, April 4th this year is qing1 ming2. It is march 2 in ying1
li4 2 from a Korean calender if I read right. The 24 seasons seems to be related
to sun more than moon. I got confused too ;-} But seasons like li4 chun1 is 
always on Feb 2. Seasons can vary at most by one day according to yang2 li4.
Also like chun1 fen1 is the day when day and night are equally long, clearly
sun related.

How old Chinese people calculated the season from lunar calender?

-- 
/* Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh PA.  412-624-0134
/* open your window and get something fresh */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Not A Funny Joke: Defend Li Peng...
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:13:43 -0500


I was excited for so many responses on quasi-April-1 news
about Wang Zhen's death. I am happy to see that would generate
such a great cheer among Chinese people here in USA. 

Another one was not funny at all. After I posted the article
"It Is Time To Defend Li Peng...", I really became Li Peng's
son, son-in-law or whatever. I was email bombarded, I was
telephonely fucked (several times), I was blackmailed. One
guy who claimed himself from Beijing called me and said my
life is in danger. He was in Tiananmen on 6/3,4 and said
I owe blood to his friends. 

I am writing this article to remind you that my life is still
in danger. Please remember me if you find me dead some days
later.

Xiao Li
From: zhihong@vax2.concordia.ca (HU, ZHI HONG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: This is a test
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:56:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi Guys , 
		This is just a test. So please ignore this
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From: liuc@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Chia-Liang Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Chinese Zodiac
Keywords: calendar
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:06:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12200
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering

In article <kujgd7INNdsg@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> pcli@uicadf.csl.uiuc.edu (Ping-Chung Li) writes:
>
>	You probably think Chinese zodiac only relates to lunar calendar; 
>i.e., we use lunar calendar to decide which Shen(1)-xiao(4) we belong to. 
>However, I heard that there's an exception. If the Lunar Jan. 1. is located 
>after Li(4)- chun(1), then all the children born between Li(4)-chun(1) and 
>lunar new year are considered the next Shen(1)-xiao(4).
>	For example, if last year is dragon year and the Chinese new year is 
>Feb. 10, Li(4)-chun(1) is Feb. 4. then all the babies born between Feb. 4 
>and Feb 10 are with Shen(1)-xiao(4) snake.
>	Anyone can confirm this and explain why?
>

Sheng Ch'en Pa Tzu (Sheng Chen Ba Zi) is based, mostly, on the solar
system. The boundary of years is Li Ch'un (Li Chun). The boundary of
month, more precisely Chieh Ch'i (Jie Qi) is Chieh (Jie) (There are 12
Chieh (Jie) and 12 Ch'i (Qi) in one year. Of course you know that one
day is, approximately, the time interval that the Earth rotate the Sun
one cycle and 1 Shih Ch'en (Shi Chen) is 1/12 of one day. Pa Tzu (Ba
Zi) is thus almost uncorrelated with the lunar system.


-- 
Ka-Leung Lau ( Chia-Liang Liu )
Digital Communications Research Laboratory
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 
University of California, Davis (Cal Aggies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jigang@dale.ssc.gov (Jigang Yang)
Subject:  More Songs available.  Re: "Revolutionary Modern Beijing Opera" Songs Available for FTP
Keywords: Li Tie-Mei and Yang Zi-Rong
Organization: SSC Lab
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:25:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.184156.6669@sunova.ssc.gov>, xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr8.194604.29932@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Jialin) writes:
|> > In article <1992Apr6.182737.904@sunova.ssc.gov> xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li) writes:
|> > >
|> > >Hi, guys! Here is something that fits the "Culture"
|> > >category of this newsgroup. :-)  If, and only if :-)
|> > 
|> > I just played the Yang Zirong, and it scared the hell out
|> > the students in the hallway. 
|> 
|> The effect is expected. :-) With such a great spirit
|> of "proletariate revolutionary heroism", Yang Zi-Rong's
|> laugh will certainly scare all the devils back to the hell. :-)
|> 
|> For your information, the song is sung by Guan1 Huai2 of
|> Shanghai. The laugh is the most thrilling part, full of
|> whole spirit. I happened to listen to a tape of some 3rd-class
|> singers from Guangdong's SEZ with a disco rythem, which
|> really "turned my stomach up-side-down", like you hear
|> the piano blasphemy of Richard Clyderman to Beethoven's
|> symphonies.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Xiaoyu Li

     Xiaoyu has put more audio files on anonymous ftp of dale.ssc.gov
(in ~/pub/chinese/audio). All of them are sun audio files. If you have
a sun workstation, you can simply cat file > /dev/audio or use openwin
audio tool, or use voice mail. So you can try different ways to scare 
devils to the hell.:-)

     By the way, if you have some audio files of chinese songs and
you are willing to share with others, contact me and I will try to
put on this ftp site as long as I have enough diskspace.

-- 
Jigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet
2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011  Tel: 214-708-3498
Dallas, TX 75237                Fax: 214-708-4898 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Re : Train from Naking ...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:47:32 GMT

In article <9204170334.AA12021@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local> doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc) writes:
>
>In article <zzuo.703470231@pv7424.vincent.iastate.edu>, zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>|> 
>|> 
>|> One of my friends in Guangdong survived more than 10 times . Maybe he is luckier .
>|>   I didn't feel stange , Every Time I saw him alive .
>|> Another friend risked three or four times in little planes from Hubei to Nanking (?),
>|>   he is happily with his family .
>|> Still other two students here were alive ( at least two hours ago ) , after they
>|> had the experiences of taking the plane in China more than 20 times , and 6 times
>|> respectively .
>
>    My unlucky friend died in the crash in ChongQing. 
>
>    Most notorious airplanes in China are "An 24" and "An 1X". Do try
>to avoid those airplanes. They constitute 50% of crash in China.
>They are old Russian made airplanes.
>

Two recent deals will add tens of MDs to China Airline Always Cancels .
Good news  !
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:56:03 GMT

A friend of mine in Australia told about this two days ago.

Z. Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:04:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.173206.8674@u.washington.edu>, liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
<
<In my opinion, the reason for most Chinese nationals in the US not to return
<to China at 
<this moment or in the future is UNCERTAINTY rather than immediate danger
<if they return.
<Not many people are saying that they will be arrested or harassed if they
<return, however,

Not true.  Just ask any INS (Immigration and Naturalisation Service) officer.

<most people are not sure what kind of future they will face after they have
<been brain-
<washed by 'Western Freedom'.

What matters here is $$$$$$$, not freedom.  There's not necessarily anything
wrong with that, but there is something wrong with lying about it.

<It is easy to believe what the current leaders
<are saying, 

I certainly don't believe it.

<As a netter pointed out, China
<is not
<governed by LAW, it is under the control of a bunch of people.

So is this wonderful United $tates of Amerika to which these people seek to
immigrate.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
From: yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh)
Subject: the color of 6.4 blood card
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:45:32 GMT


  " /_ ==|     |-   "  |===|   "  /_  ===|  "   /    /---|
    /_----- ---|---   ------      /_ ------     |--|     |
       \|/     | \     /|--           \|/       |--|   / |
   __/ /|\     |      /\|____     __/ /|\       |__|    \| ;



   /------|         |====|       /_ -----       /    /---|
  __|_|_|_|__      -------       /_   |         |--|     |
                     /|--             |         |--|   / |
                    /\|____     __/___|___      |__|    \| ;


"  _____\_____    |---------|  "     /_ ===|        |----
     /     \      | _|   |__|        /_------   ----|-----
    /       \     |_________|       __/ \ | /       |  \
 			       	        / |\__      |   \

    |===|   /--/  \  /   /_ -----   /--/  \  /   /_ -----    /    /---|
   ------- |---|------   /_   |    |---|------   /_   |      |--|     |
    /|---  |-|-| --|--        |    |-|-| --|--        |      |--|   / |
   /\|____ |___|---|--- __/___|___ |___|---|--- __/___|___   |__|    \| .
	  ______/  |              ______/  |

shannon
-------
From: xu@CS.UCDAVIS.EDU (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese National Came Before 4/1/90
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:40:21 GMT


Q: What's the smell?
A: The farting chi-fang is around.

In article <1992Apr12.173944.21489@acsu.buffalo.edu> chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang) writes:
[Garbage deleted]

When will you say good-bye to your slave mentality? Or you addict it too
deep to get rid of? BTW, how did that you cheated in the exam affect your GPA?

Hao
From: liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:32:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr9.060918.5885@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.022733.10664@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, kniaz@cat3.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
><
><	I am of the opinion that anyone who has the ability and intention 
><	to contribute  to the welfare and growth of this country should
><	be allowed to immigrate.
>
>So am I.  I'd go so far as to open the borders completely.  (Would you?
>I doubt it, and I'm quite sure that my FGNC flamers would not.  Doing so
>would greatly increase the competition for them!)  What I can't stand is
>dishonesty.  Lying to congresslime (like Pelosi) and immigration officers
>about the situation in one's country is dishonest and should not be
>tolerated--especially when it worsens one's country's international image
>(and therefore one's countrymen's standard of living).
>


In my opinion, the reason for most Chinese nationals in the US not to return to China at 
this moment or in the future is UNCERTAINTY rather than immediate danger if they return.
Not many people are saying that they will be arrested or harassed if they return, however,
most people are not sure what kind of future they will face after they have been brain-
washed by 'Western Freedom'. It is easy to believe what the current leaders are saying, 
but can anyone predict that won't change soon? As a netter pointed out, China is not
governed by LAW, it is under the control of a bunch of people. Sooner or later after
their dispearing from the political stage, who knows what the official line will be. I
believe most people from China have richer experince in this respect than Mr. Horne. In
the 50s, some educated people went back to China and they sincerely wanted to help and
build the motherland, but a lot of them have been mistreated because of their oversea
education background and their 'open mouth' of criticizing the government and some leaders.
Mr. Horne, do you want to face the uncertainty if you can manage to avoid it? I hope you
can give a honest answer, not any political or patriotic answer, just a human being's 
answer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: leecj@cs.rpi.edu (Ching-ju Ashraf Lee)
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:51:44 GMT

Pat H. Yang