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From: Mark@espionage.curtin.edu.au (Mark Ridge)
Subject: Re: Premiership blues and other Weagle crap
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:46:53 GMT

In article <jodi.2.0@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au> jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay) writes:
>From: jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay)
>Subject: Re: Premiership blues and other Weagle crap
>Date: 28 Sep 1992 02:39:37 GMT
>In article <1686C14728.PREDAVA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PREDAVA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>From: PREDAVA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
>>Subject: Re: Premiership blues and other Weagle crap
>>Date: 25 Sep 92 03:15:39 GMT
>
>>In article <jodi.1.0@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au>
>>jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Yours in football, Paul and David
>> 
>>Let me at least make one prediction: Buddha to knock out Sumich in the first 5
>>minutes.  The boy is uncontrollable at times!
>
>Buddha didn't even get close to Sumich!!!   And as for that *WANKER*
>ABLETT....................
>
>
>
>Jodi Lindsay
>Department of Microbiology

Did Buddha get a kick :-)

I'd just like to say

WELL DONE EAGLES YOU WERE GREAT !!!!

To all the true-blue Geelong supporters it was a good game, bad-luck

To all the football supporters with no loyality to either club I hope you 
enjoyed the game

To all the "I'll barrack for Geelong because their playing the Eagles" 
Geelong supporters, who put the game in a WA vs Vic perspective
  STICK IT UP YOUR KIRNER !!!!!!!

gee that felt good :-)

Mark. (who's happy as larry)
From: mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Robran (was Re: Nathan Buckley)
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:48:46 GMT
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation

>I think the Robran case is different since he had signed to play with
>Hawthorn and then after moving to Melbourne decided he didn't like it
>and wanted to come back (and is quite happy to just play in the
>SANFL). He can't play in the SANFL unless he is released by Hawthorn
>to do so.
>
>Buckley is onlt drafted by Brisbane and so if he wishes to play in the
>AFL then he is bound to sign for Brisbane. As he has said he would
>rather continue to play for Port than play for Brisbane his only
>restriction is the fact he can't play in the AFL (Robran can't play
>footy at all or even train with his SANFL club).

Robran can play with Norwood (his SANFL club) next year, no matter what 
Hawthorn think, as he will no longer be under contract (as from Jan 1st).
However, the Hawks will still own him as far as the AFL goes (why? - because
the AFL does whatever it pleases) and so will either a) keep him on their list,
preventing him from playing with any other club in the AFL, or b) get draft
picks, players or money from the Crows for him, or c) put him in the draft, and
then who knows where he'll be tied to.

a) would be stupid, as he has no intention at all of moving again. c) would
seem to be of no benefit to Hawthorn, and no benefit to any club which picked
him up (except the Crows) because he wouldn't play for them. He is quite happy
to play with Norwood for as long as it takes, especially now that his younger
brother is a league regular. In fact, he would be quite happy playing for
Walkerville in amateurs with his mates!

David Mudge
mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
From: jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: No reports from GF??
Date: 2 Oct 1992 08:30:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: cns.microbiol.uwa.edu.au

I don't know about everyone else, but I thought Ablett's treatment of Don 
Pyke was pretty severe........four weeks I would have thought.

Or am I just a biased Eagles supporter??

P.S. when are they going to bring in tougher penalties for this sort of 
thing in the GF?  I watched an interview with Blight before the game, and 
some comic asked him who would pick up Matera.  When no definate reply was 
forthcoming, it was suggested it would be the trainers 30 secs after the 
bouncedown.  Yeah yeah, we all took the joke, but if Ablett or someone was 
decked, I think they'd still be screaming..........
Jodi Lindsay
Department of Microbiology
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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:32:46 GMT
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In <1992Sep29.222153.25865@trl.oz.au> mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au writes:

> |> The introduction of a second team from WA is considered inevitable.  West 
> |> Australians are very keen to ensure that local talent plays for 
> |> local-based teams...
> |> A second team is likely to send media coverage through the roof, but the 
> |> prospect of the city/state being divided into two is appealing.

Where would the second team be based? Just another Perth team, or would
Fremantle then have its own side?
From: ugoni@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Congratulations West Coast
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:21:14 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Congratulations West Coast......outplayed Geelong throughout the second
half....now we have a truely national competition.

Antony
From: gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: No reports from GF??
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:33:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Oct6.133307.17715
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct6.021342.18519@cs.su.oz.au>, tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
|> 
|> 	Ask Terry Daniher.  His career was practically ended after the
|> 	'90 Grand Final - suspended for half a season, from which he
|> 	never really recovered.

As Digger said re the Daniher-Brown incident:

"I saw the gun."

BTW, no-one has actually posted the details yet for those of us not in Oz.
Did Ablett get reported?  And if so, was he suspended?

Guy Debelle

PS Glad to see the damned Bays did not win the SANFL.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: s1071828@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Matthew Long)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:22:49 GMT

>Just a couple of points - their psyche doesn't need to be changed, they're
>the best team in the league and also the premiers. I very much doubt that
>they themselves feel like a 'bunch of wankers' and they certainly wouldn't
>want to change the public perception of them over here in Perth (where it
>matters). Besides, the League Cup has TRADITIONALLY been won by victorian
>teams, so who gives a fuck if a few traditions are chucked out the window?
>(certainly not me anyway)
>
>Eagles - Premiers 1992,93,94...

   Fuck up wanker, and take your hand off your tossil. Where were all you
   Whining eagle supporters at the start of the year when you wrer near the
   bottom? If the Eagles win the next two in a row they will be a good team,
   until then, they are just a bunch of wankers who got the whole of W.A to
   recruit from for 4 - 5 years, and still would not have won the flag if it
   were not for Collingwood (my team) dopily losing and giving the Eagles the
   double chance.
From: CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: No reports from GF??
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:41:17 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <jodi.7.0@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au> jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au writes:

> I don't know about everyone else, but I thought Ablett's treatment of Don 
> Pyke was pretty severe........four weeks I would have thought.
 
It is a grand final, see Platten, Dipierdomenico and Brereton 1989 and Brown in
1990!  Grand finals are always tough and the umpires let more go, it is now
a part of the game!!

> Or am I just a biased Eagles supporter??
> 
> P.S. when are they going to bring in tougher penalties for this sort of 
> thing in the GF?  I watched an interview with Blight before the game, and 
> some comic asked him who would pick up Matera.  When no definate reply was 
> forthcoming, it was suggested it would be the trainers 30 secs after the 
> bouncedown.  Yeah yeah, we all took the joke, but if Ablett or someone was 
> decked, I think they'd still be screaming..........

Well I hate to sound  like a Geelong whinger, but I didn't hear any weagles
supporters showing any signs of sorrow when robust Kenny Hinkley was decked
twice!  Sure Ablett plays hard, but don't Worsfold and Langdon?  If it had
have been Hinkers who was shepherding and Worsfold or Langdon, would Hinks
have come off any better?  

Yes, I am a Geelong supporter, but remember last year when Hinkley and Ablett
got suspended (Hinkley was clearly defending himself as Hall went to clean
him up & Ablett was also stiff)?  West coasters were rather jovial, not 
commenting on the harshness on Hinkley.....didn't hear us whining then!!!

> Jodi Lindsay
> Department of Microbiology

		Chris!!!
From: dunleavy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Houston Dunleavy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Congratulations Eagles
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:57:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvCy7H.G8L
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep26.174904.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> staamu@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>Congratulations to the Eagles....outplaying Geelong from half-time
>onwards.......we now have a truely national competition.
>
>Antony

	Couldn't agree more with either sentiment. Congrats should also go to
channel 7, who gave their usual great coverage of the game. The feed to Prime
was marvellous and did the game and the city of Melbourne proud.
	Now all the competition needs is a couple more 100K+ stadiums in Perth
and Adelaide and we could talk about spreading the Grand Final around! Mind
you, I'm a Melburnian and love the 'G. Any thoughts about the grand Final being
held in other cities anyone?
Cheers all,


-- 
Houston Dunleavy, single Aussie composer-in-exile. Peace, light and love to you
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Dr. Martin Luther King.
	"It is better to write for yourself and not have a public, 
than to write for the public and not have a self" Cyril Connelly. 
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: Premiership blues and other Weagle crap
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:18:02 GMT

In article <1686C14728.PREDAVA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, PREDAVA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
||>  
|> Dear Jodi et.al. (You know who you are)
|>  
|> We feel we must reply on behalf of the supposedly silent majority of Victorian
|> football supporters re the UPCOMING GF.  Whilst Western Australians are notorio
|> usly backward in most endeavours, you appear to definitely be breaking the
|> mould here in making outlandish FORWARD predictions PRIOR to the actual event
|> taking place.  Call it churlishness or whatever, but most Vics are intelligent
|> enough to wait until after the game before singing the praises of their respect
|> ive teams.
|>  
|> As for Geelong supporters in particular, it must be said that all of the less c
|> erebral teams have already been eliminated from the final race - re Collingwood
|> , Footscray and St Kilda ( and some of the real basket cases fortunately
|> never made it at all (Essendon, Richmond).  Hence, the remaining cohort of supp
|> orters (Geelong) are in all likelihood too civilised (could we even say too buc
|> olic) to partake in such activities.
|>  
|> Geelong Football Club and its supporters have been around for 133 years (not 13
|> 3 minutes like the Whining Weagles) and have learnt from bitter experience not
|> to count our eaglets before they hatch.
|>  
|> Re Tom from Sydney Uni: we can only concur with that erudite statesman, Davin S
|> loan of La Trobe Uni: STOP IT OR YOU'LL GO BLIND.  Tom, re a win for Weagles be
|> ing good for the national comp (as if that is what we really want), the last
|> time a non-Melbourne side won the Flag was 1963, and guess what, they could do
|> it AGAIN!
|  
|> Yours in football, Paul and David
|>  
|> Let me at least make one prediction: Buddha to knock out Sumich in the first 5
|> minutes.  The boy is uncontrollable at times!

	ha ha ha 

	go interstate football

	enjoy complaining vics,

	tom
From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: What can I say?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 09:26:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

sang@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Shane Hyde) writes:

>What can I say?

>Go CATS Go!  EAT 'EM ALIVE.

>GO CATS GO CATS GO CATS GO CATS GO CATS GO CATS GO CATS GO CATS GO CATS GO CATS 


better stick with meaty bites, you might do better

next time

especially when god got his ass kicked!

>--
>Shane Hyde (sang@cm.deakin.oz.au)|'Tell me, who's the real patriots, the Archie
>Dept. of Computing/Mathematics   |Bunker slobs waving flags, or the people with
>Deakin University                |the guts to work for some real change?' -
>Geelong Vic 3217                 |                 Jello Biafra.
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: No reports from GF??
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:41:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct6.020842.1017@trl.oz.au> harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:
>In article <jodi.7.0@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au> jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay) writes:
(STUFF DELETED)
>
>>bouncedown.  Yeah yeah, we all took the joke, but if Ablett or someone was 
>^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Aaarghh!  It's the First Bounce!  Bouncedown was invented by Bruce McAvaney,
>who should have stuck to athletics! Besides, it's a tautology - the ump can
>only bounce it down. The correct term during general play is "ball up" or 
>"the umpire comes in to bounce the ball".


Slightly off the subject, but what is the plural of throw-in?  I
remember reading it in the Sunday Age a couple of weeks ago as
"throw-ins" but shouldn't it be "throws-in"?  (Compare with the
plural of mother-in-law:  mothers-in-law).



 
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From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: Final loc'n (was: Congratulations Eagles)
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:20:31 GMT

|> 1) Channel 7 are a joke... well, their commentators anyway.  Most people
|>    that I know watch the TV with the sound turned down and listen to 3LO.
|>    Bring back the ABC!

We listened to JJJ's Rampaging Roy Slaven...now that's what I call a
grand final commentator:  Someone who urges the player's to get into an
all in brawl and takes the piss out of Langdon.
From: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Reply-To: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:57:05 GMT

On 29 Sep 1992 07:39:18 GMT, jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay) said:

Jodi> The introduction of a second team from WA is considered
Jodi> inevitable.

Yup.  A Good Thing.

Jodi> West Australians are very keen to ensure that local talent plays
Jodi> for local-based teams.

In the long term, the draft doesn't really allow that.

Jodi> The introduction of the West Coast Eagles means we get to see
Jodi> top- class football live every fortnight, which is what we
Jodi> deserve when you consider how many West Australians play in the
Jodi> AFL.

Hmm.  That's the stuff you see live on TV is it?  Aren't most games in
Perth horribly boring one-sided no-contests by quarter time?  8-)

Admittedly, they weren't that bad this year, but they were in 1991.

--
Evan Harris                                     evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU
Dept of Computer Science, The University of Melbourne, Australia
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Subject: Re: Nathan Buckley
Reply-To: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
	<EVAN.92Sep28101246@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
	<1a940uINNcgj@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:47:42 GMT

On 29 Sep 92 08:27:10 GMT, mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior) said:

Mark> I think the Robran case is different since he had signed to play
Mark> with Hawthorn and then after moving to Melbourne decided he
Mark> didn't like it and wanted to come back (and is quite happy to
Mark> just play in the SANFL). He can't play in the SANFL unless he is
Mark> released by Hawthorn to do so.

Well, they're different and the same.  Neither want to play with the
club they're tied to, and both are prepared to sit out of the AFL
until they get their own way.

If Robran only wants to play for Adelaide there are only two possible
ways to get there:
1) He is traded.  Understandably, Hawthorn currently want a player and
   Adelaide want to give draft choices.  I think Hawthorn would be
   stupid to only take draft choices.
2) He is picked by Adelaide in the draft.  Saying he will only play
   for Adelaide may scare off other teams, but they may select him so
   that Adelaide don't get him and hoping that they may persuade him
   to play for them.  After all, the Weagles drafted Tim Watson in
   case he decided to make a comeback.

Mark> Buckley is onlt drafted by Brisbane and so if he wishes to play
Mark> in the AFL then he is bound to sign for Brisbane. As he has said
Mark> he would rather continue to play for Port than play for Brisbane
Mark> his only restriction is the fact he can't play in the AFL
Mark> (Robran can't play footy at all or even train with his SANFL
Mark> club).

Both players are young.  I wonder if they're prepared to play the rest
of their football careers in the SANFL if they can't play with the
team they want.  John Hutton also said he wouldn't play for Brisbane.

Mark> I expect Brisbane will have to trade him.

I hope they don't.  I don't think they can afford to plead for
assistance and they trade good players for lesser ones.  There doesn't
seem any point in giving them extra draft picks if they're going to do
that.

Mark> Assuming they don't and he is in the draft again and they are
Mark> stupid enough to select him again I would guess Port will gain a
Mark> long term player :-). What would happen if Port entered the AFL
Mark> as the second SA based team would be anyone's guess but I expect
Mark> the AFL would allow Port to select a number of ex Port players
Mark> bound to AFL clubs and Brisbane would loose him that way.

Well, I'd expect a WA team to be next in, so this isn't likely to
happen for at least 5 years, unless some Vic clubs start dying real
quick.  I also wouldn't expect the startup conditions to be as
favourable as they were for the Weagles and Adelaide, especially if
they end up 1-2 in the near future.

--
Evan Harris                                     evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU
Dept of Computer Science, The University of Melbourne, Australia
From: jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Eagle parade
Date: 29 Sep 1992 07:39:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: cns.microbiol.uwa.edu.au

I have just come back from the West Coast Eagles Parade through the city 
centre, ending in a civic reception in Forrest Place.  Not being an expert 
at predicting crowd size, I could see at least 5,000 people packed into a 
space not designed to hold that many people........ plus numerous others on 
the streets.  A news bulletin on 96FM a few minutes ago estimated there were 
50 000 people on Perth streets at the time of the parade.  Admittedly it's 
school holidays at the moment, and some of those people would have been from 
local offices looking for lunch.  But it was scheduled for midday on a 
working day, so a crowd that size in a city of 1 million is not bad.  

Needless to say, you could hardly see anything, but it was worth going just 
to see the crowd who went absolutely bezerk.  Taking the premiership from 
the Victorians has been billed in the media as being as significant as 
taking the America's cup from the Yanks.  Most West Australians I would say 
think it's more important, because football is infinately more popular 
than sailing.  I should point out that a significant proportion of football 
fanatics in this state DO NOT barrack for the Eagles because of the 
ridiculous amount of media coverage they get, and also because they have 
decimated the local WAFL competition.  For the past week the Eagles have 
totally dominated news headlines (even on channels other than 7) and 
newspaper front pages (not counting full colour liftouts etc.)  

The introduction of a second team from WA is considered inevitable.  West 
Australians are very keen to ensure that local talent plays for local-based 
teams.  The introduction of the West Coast Eagles means we get to see top-
class football live every fortnight, which is what we deserve when you 
consider how many West Australians play in the AFL.  A second team is 
likely to send media coverage through the roof, but the prospect of the 
city/state being divided into two is appealing.  And judging from the 
response of the public over here, likely to go ahead at a rate of knots.

Caaaaarrrnnn the Eagles!!!

  
 
Jodi Lindsay
Department of Microbiology
From: CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Second WA Team!
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:07:34 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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	Hey footy fans, being a Geelong supporter this will sound like sour
grapes, but it's not!  What I want to know, is when the hell are the AFL
going to bring in another team in WA and SA? Sure, the Eagles won the flag -
good luck to them - but unless something is done soon, eagle v crow grand 
finals will be all the rage, which is good for the national comp, but 
considering 11 clubs are victorian, it leaves it a little bare inside the
state lines.  
	Fair enough, the AFL are planning to bring in another team, prov-
ided feasibility reports are positive, but why not just bring in a team from
Fremantle and another from Adelaide in the next two or three, years and
start them off with slight concessions, and see how they develop?
	An envisaged problem is the failure of Brisbane and Sydney and the
over-abundence of Melbourne clubs! I feel that the AFL needs to show some
balls if they want to continue the national comp!  Either re-locate or merge
some teams, and although traditionalists and fans of the teams in question
will go bananas, it is the only way the national comp will fully develop!
We need a greater balance of equality nationwide!
	Sure I may cop some flack over this, but c'mon, it is for the good
of footy....and no, Geelong shouldn't be one of those teams!
	Thoughts please?

		Chris....

E-Mail: In%"cs19241099g@lust1.latrobe.edu.au"
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