HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: damned generalizations
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:33:23 GMT
	<MDAY.92Jul17193633@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Jul20.195229.28968@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   e199-ac@hydrus (Alexander Lee) writes:
   > mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
   >   shchen@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
   >
   >   So, how do you explain the 10,000 or so Amriasians borned during the
   >   Vietnam War.  Granted, combat does make Johnny horny, but there seemed
   >   to too many Asian Women more than willing to cater to their sexual
   >   wim.
   >
   >\begin{sarcasm}
   >Yes, I'm sure that all of those women had plenty of money.  They just
   >had sex with soldiers because they wanted to be with big American
   >studs.  Gross disparities in income had nothing to do with it, nothing
   >at all.  Why, I'll bet that they were all from good families and that
   >their families were very proud of their chosen career.
   >\end{sarcasm}
   >

   So I take this to mean that Americans are just "big studs" Huh??.
   By saying americans are big studs, your infering that the Vietnamese 
   men are not or at least relatively to American men.  Its this type 
   of ingrained arrogance that most people on this net are having
   problems with.  For a sarcastic son of a bitch, you sure can get
   pretty offensive.  

You are one singularly clueless person.  Why is it that in a section
of text that is explicitly delimited as sarcastic, you decide that I
must be seriously claiming that Americans are big studs?

Sheesh.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:57:31 GMT

In article <23291@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and outright grouch) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.202324.12692@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> e199-ac@fornax (Alexander Lee) writes:
>>Your counter-argument to Judy is wholly based on the premise that
>>we are here to please white people, to seek sympathy, and to kiss their
>>white ass.  Well, I for one am getting sick and tired of it.  
>
>Pardon me?
>
>If that's what you are hearing when you read my article, then that's
>what you wanted to hear.
>
>If you want an end to racism, you have to educate the racists.
>Swearing at them won't do any good.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

does that imply that you are racist since he swore at you?  just wondering...i haven't
taken sides yet on this argument  :-)  seems to me like you guys (that includes all those
who have posted to this thread) just want to let off some steam.  as long as you keep
your hatred, prejudicial views, steam-letting-out-sessions, and such in electronic format
rather than trying to hunt each other down, things are fine.

laly thao

"love moves, but hatred flies"


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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and outright grouch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:51:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23291
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and outright grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Jul22.202324.12692@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> e199-ac@fornax (Alexander Lee) writes:
>Your counter-argument to Judy is wholly based on the premise that
>we are here to please white people, to seek sympathy, and to kiss their
>white ass.  Well, I for one am getting sick and tired of it.  

Pardon me?

If that's what you are hearing when you read my article, then that's
what you wanted to hear.

If you want an end to racism, you have to educate the racists.
Swearing at them won't do any good.
-- 
 Bush    *Copyright alice!jj 1992, all rights reserved, except transmission
   vs       *by USENET and like free facilities granted. Said permission is
 Clinton  --    *granted only for complete copies that include this notice.
 Just Say !NO!       *Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: When Asian income is less than Blacks
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:28:44 GMT

   > Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

   If
   Blacks had the same family structure as Asians, and simply
   waited until the age of 25 and marriage to have children
   their poverty rate would be no worse than the Asian
   Americans. I'd be laughed off the floor if I ever proposed
   this in the Senate, but its an idea propounded by some
   Afrocentrists, who aren't always crazy.

Assuming, just for the moment, that your numbers are correct: what,
exactly, would you propose in the Senate?  Would you pass new laws
compelling African Americans to live their lives in the family
structures that you have chosen as wholesome?

   Dan Quayle was called a fool for saying that dissolution of
   family was the biggest cause of welfare dependency, and
   marriage was the best antipoverty program. Yet nobody has
   commented on the House Ways and Means Committee finding that
   the biggest reason 75% of families start welfare is because
   of children born to unmarried women, divorce, and
   separation. Nearly half of families who leave welfare do so
   because of either marriage or children leaving home. Only 21
   percent leave because the mother got a better job.

Marriage is a fine antidote to poverty, but as long as you're pushing
the nuclear family model you have to make sure that the man can
actually be the breadwinner.  Compelling a man who is unemployed to
marry solves nothing.

[No doubt I'll now get to hear some drivel about how the high
unemployment rate among African Americans is due to their laziness or
other moral failings, rather than structural problems in the economy
and welfare system.  Sigh.]

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: phc65823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter H. Chou)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby Letter: Draft #1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:14:25 GMT

Hi, everybody.  There's gotta be a way to rephrase that "computer
network newsgroup" thing...I don't know, it's just that reading
the letter and then at the bottom seeing "computer network"
just doesn't fit!  Maybe you could just call it newsgroup or something,
and who cares if it's not specific enough.  It's more credible,
I think.
From: lchsu@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Leon C. Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:11:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <l7e3amINN7us@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>The United States does not recognize dual citizenship.  It is stated
>very clearly when you apply for naturalization that you give up all
>privileges and rights you had from your country of origin.  They
>emphasize that again at the actual oath-taking.
>
>	-- Anita --


I think this has changed relatively recently. At least for Canadian citizens
seeking dual US-CANADA citizenship. It used to be that the US would not
recognize them, so a lot of my friends who were born in the States but grew
up in Canada had Canadian citizenship but never really renounced their US
citizenship. They all planned to continue using their US passport when
convenient and renouncing their citizenship in the case of a draft or
something silly like that. Anyhow ... some of them now have dual citizenships,
so I know it is possible for citizens of some countries. Canada is a rather
special case, I will admit, since we are so similar (unfortunately 8^). 

-leon.
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Keywords: pencil-twirling
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:35:34 GMT

In article <yuan1.712501792@husc9> yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) writes:
>ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>>Funny, my impression at Stanford was that it wasn't an Asian thing; it
>>was a liberal-arts thing (Asian-American or not).  I attributed this
>>to the fact that the liberal-arts people frequently held writing
>>implements, whereas the techies knew better than to try twirling
>>19" monitors...

	Unless they were from USC....

>:-)  Well, at Harvard it definitely seems to be a pre-med/biology major
>thing.  Which by extension makes it an Asian thing (big :-) ).

	Yup....



-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Mura and Louie Readings
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:16:59 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester

In article <62817@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:

>Heard David Mura on NPR. Excellent stuff.

>Hassan

Could you summarize what he said?  I'm curious (and it would probably
be of general interest).

Thanks.
--
_______________________________________________________________________________

Brian Yamauchi				Robotics Applications Development
					Boeing Aerospace Operations
yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu		Kennedy Space Center
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:54:33 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
|judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes...
|>7. Chances are that the children of Asian-White couples do not wholly identify
|>     as being Asian American. Many can easily melt into the pot of White
|>     America. Is this good? Yes, say the out-marrying Asian Americans. But it
|>     means another step backwards for non-Whites, specifically Asian
|>     Americans.
|
|How do you know that mixed heritage children do not identify themselves as
|being Asian-American?  I think that people of mixed heritage will probably
|want to pull both communities together rather than blend into one.

Also note that the existence of people of mixed ancestry breaks down
the race classification ideas that form the basis of racial prejudice
and discrimination.  That's why racially prejudiced people are often
extremely offended by interracial marriage, even though they may tolerate
different-race co-workers or whatever.

A person who can "easily melt into the pot of White America" may be
in a better position to detect prejudices that tend to remain hidden.
Few will tell an obviously asian looking person that they don't like
asian people, but may mention it to someone who appears non-asian, and
get a surprise reply that they just insulted the person's family.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cheese
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:06:58 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <14fvkjINNk12@agate.berkeley.edu>, judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes:
|> Pete Wung <wung@ee.gatech.edu> writes:
|> >
|> >Judy, anyone with lactose intolerance would also be in big trouble
|> >if they ate cheese because cheese is made with milk.  8-)
|> 
|> Then I guess it's just me, huh? I get sick from drinking white milk, but I
|> can eat cheese/yogurt/chocolate milk/foods with cooked milk without any
|> problems. 

I think the bacteria which make the cheese/yogurt metabolize some of the
lactose.  I know a person with lactose intolerance who can eat as much
cheese as he wants but cannot tolerate milk.  Maybe there is something else
in milk that bothers him other than lactose.  Regardless, the bacteria need
to eat something and it seems lactose is a likely candidate.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com







Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lchsu@cayley.waterloo.edu (Leon C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Cheese
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:18:22 GMT

I LOVE CHEESE!
I recently returned from a trip to France where I was able to taste
some extraordinary cheeses (Camembert, Roquefort, etc) that make
cheddar, american, brick, colby and all those standards that I grew
up on taste like milk in comparison. Not to knock milk, but my point
is that these cheeses are bland in comparison.

I have found that I have a problem digesting dairy products if I have
too much or if I haven't had any in a long while. I understand this
is common among orientals. I think my whole family has this problem,
even me and my brothers who grew up drink LOTS of milk every day.

just my two bits ..

-leon.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: Perfect Families
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:32:00 GMT

In article <4572@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>Every Asian-Indian family that I meet likes to put on a front that 
>their family is perfect and that everyone in it is doing exceptionally
>well. Its like they'll never admit any faults to you, which is quite
>the opposite of what most white people I've met do.

There are a lot of things Indian families do that white people don't.
Indian parents don't talk about their sex lives, their children's
dating habits or how copiously their pets have been treating them
lately.  It is in the human nature as you can see around where no
netter ever admits their faults. I think to admit one's faults one
first needs to know how to tell a joke. And I bet the next thing you
will say and I agree is that few Asian-Indians have a good sense of
humor. Time to write: ``The Asian_Indian Jokes Handbook,'' hey? My
contribution to it:

This Asian Indian dad, after signing the divorce papers, cabled his
dad in India as: ``Dad, this is your son without your daughter-in-law
any more. Arrange to send a replacement by return flight. Yours
Affectionately - Appu, the father Tippu and Pappu.''



Murthy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lchsu@cayley.waterloo.edu (Leon C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: chinese-cu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:04:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.032114.17651@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.235441.6330@bnr.ca> gakusei@bmerh272.bnr.ca (Andre Roy)
>writes:
>>Excuse me for being ignorant, but what does chinese-cu mean?
>[ a whole load of crap ]

Andre ... it seems you got the wrong person to answer your question. 
Dwight Joe (you'll get to know all about him after a little while
on this Newsgroup) created this notation supposedly to clear up
some vagueness of the word "Chinese"
 
Let me explain what he really means by these terms ... (BTW this
is *NOT* how most of the rest of us think. And, if we use his 
notation, it is only because we are trying to make hime think we
like him)

chinese-ge -- someone who is of Chinese extraction ... not enough
reason to hate them .. possibility of pity.
chinese-cu -- someone who is a barbarian and racist by nature. 
Baboon-like intelligence is common.
chinese-ci -- someone who is a citizen of PROC ... again not enough
reason to hate them ... 

Seriously though .... these terms are not much less vague than the
original. For example, are Japanese people chinese-ge ... they
are all of the same racial stock. What about Koreans? What exactly
is chinese culture? Dwight differentiates between taiwanese culture
and chinese culture. What about cantonese culture and fukien culture
and ning-po culture and shanghai culture and nanking culture etc.etc.
They are at in many cases just as different. 
These terms are just tools that DJ uses in his maniacal postings.
You will soon learn to either ignore him or laugh at him. Don't
bother trying to reason with him ... it tends to be rather pointless.

-leon.
l
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Degree Envy
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:03:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.132431.3223@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
	[Dialog deleted.]
>
>  Ouch.  I've experienced this.  Older generation Asians usually prescribe
>  Masters (or Nursing degrees) for girls , and PhD's for boys.  The theory
>  is that if a girl has a PhD she can't find a husband.  And to that I say
>  baloney, AA guys don't have this hang-up, although I do admit to meeting
>  more than one Asian immigrant friend who warned me not to get a PhD because
>  I'll never get a husband.  Among some Asian immigrant males, a woman with
>  a PhD in Math is considered a side-show freak!
>>
	[Stuff on love of learning deleted.]

Funny, I've always found intelligent women particularly attractive, and
the pursuit (or attainment) of an advanced degree frequently indicates
intellect.  On the other hand, a lot of female friends (of various races)
have all said that being smart seems to turn off most men (of various races).
I guess obsolete cultural traits die hard...

Also, there's the factoid that gets promulgated regularly that the more
educated a woman is the less likely she is to get married.  This is usually
printed in a tone suggesting that they're less attractive.  Aside from
the (un)truth of the factoid (several people claim the study was flawed),
there's the factor that a woman with education has economic power in our
(sexist (and incidentally, Western)) society and can choose not to get
married, whereas a woman without education generally has no economic power
(in our sexist and incidentally Western society) and has little choice but
to marry herself into the "traditional" housewife-slave role while she's
still young.  Cynical?  Me?  Nahh.....
						--Alan Hu
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:02:30 GMT
	<MDAY.92Jul23175028@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Jul25.023326.29160@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   e199-ac@hydrus (Alexander Lee) writes:
   >Oh, wake up and smell the coffee, already.  You act like all whites
   >are upper-middle class, too.  I'll show you some of the fun
   >neighborhoods round here with white gangs and sweatshops.
   >
   >Dividing the have-nots against each other based on race is part of how
   >the haves stay in control.  And people like you play right into their
   >hands.  

   I don't think that Judy had any intention to deny the existence of
   poor white folks, nor do I think that she's trying to divide the
   have-nots in this country, Especially when she was the one to approve
   of Af/As relationships more than As/White relationships.

Huh?  This pair of sentences makes no sense.  My whole point is that
Judy's gone and confused a symptom (white racism) with its underlying
cause (a minority of great wealth that maintains its position by
keeping racism stoked up so that poor white people feel superior to
people of color instead of feeling inferior to the rich white people).
Disapproving of Asian/white relationships is the quintessence of
what's wrong with Judy's approach, since it serves only to further
racial animosity.

   I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that all she was merely trying to do
   was note the disparity of wealth in this country as it applies to race
   and to dispel of the stereo-type that all Asian Americans in this
   country are upper-middle class (Sounds kinda familiar, Huh?).

As far as I can tell from what Judy's posted, she doesn't distinguish
between "white" and "rich and powerful".  I've seen nothing that
indicates that she understands that there's a profound disparity of
wealth among whites, too.  I see nothing that indicates that you
really understand this yet, either.

   P.S.  If you had read the previous post carefully Mark, you would have 
   realized that I knew you were being sarcastic.  I just thought that it
   was a shame for someone who claims to attack stereotypes sarcastically
   know all them to it's intricate detail. 

Again, your reasoning process fails me.  These stereotypes come up in
discussion repeatedly in scaa.  What makes you think that my knowing
them indicates anything other than spending far too much time reading
this newsgroup?  And where is the "intricate detail" in characterizing
American soldiers in Vietnam as "big studs"?  

Sheeesh. (again)

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Request for archive copy of asian male rant.
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:33:02 GMT

In article <ANDY.92Jul23154205@meefun.autodesk.com> andy@meefun.autodesk.com (Andrew Purshottam) writes:
>Hi, a while back (one, could it be two?  don't remeber how long scaa
>has been around) andy@*.mit.edu (not me) posted an amazing long weird
>beautiful Asian American male rant. It easily ranks with Mark Ethan
>Smith's S&M scientists  in the Best Minority Paranoia class of
>Usenet rants.
>
>I am currently collecting Usenet rants, and would like a copy
>of the AAM rant mentioned.

Huh?  Why single out Andy?  What he wrote wasn't a rant.  Hell, if you want
a professionally-done rant full of paranoia, I could send you about ten posts
from a certain person here who isn't even a member of the "minority."

I mean, how could you read this group for any length of time and miss that?
I guess only "minority" members can rant or be full of paranoia, huh?

>andy@autodesk.com. [This is not for any kind of profit making venture;
>just for fun, and maybe eventual posting.]

Eventual posting?  "Just for fun"?  You'd actually do such a thing just to
make fun of them?  Geez...

Tell you what, I save a lot of posts from here.  Maybe a couple of years
later after you're long gone, I'll re-post your article here so that the
rest of us can have a good chuckle at your expense.

Jim
From: judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Mura and Louie Readings
Date: 25 Jul 1992 01:03:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempest.berkeley.edu

Next week,
David Mura and David Wong Louie, two Asian American writers, will be having
readings at Black Oak Books in Berkeley.

Mura will be reading from _Turning Japanese_ on Sunday, July 26, 7:30pm.

Louie will be reading from _Pangs of Love_ on Tuesday, July 28, also at
      7:30pm.

Black Oak Books is located (northwest of UCB) on the northern part of Shattuck
      Avenue, cross street is Vine Street.