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From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re:Skiing Safety OOCY stories
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:41:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.232650.10435@newshost.lanl.gov>, davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> While this may have been true at one time, the number of head injuries from 
|> skiing is increasing.  On Sunday a (probably out of control) skier went into
|> the trees and shattered his jaw, among other things (no damage to the juggler[sic]
|> vein, thank goodness ;-), or he'd never make it as a circus performer!) Last
|> year at Santa Fe a kid did the same thing, but he died of his injuries--head
|> injuries.
|> 
|> I'm not advocating everybody skiing in helmets mind you.  Actually, both of 
|> these yahoos were skiing out of control when they bought it.  I think maybe
|> ski patrol should tighten up a bit on the "Ski out of control, lose your pass
|> or ticket" rule that exists most places.  If we could cut down on the number
|> of OOCYs (Out Of Control Yahoos)

Sometimes the OOCYs get what they deserve.  The best one I know of was last
year about this time at Big Mountain (Montana) where there were a bunch of
lads who were having a good time (read: piss drunk) when one of them thought
it would be funny to moon his buddies while going down the hill.  It "ended"
up that he got spun around backwards and slammed into a pine tree with his
pants down.  Explain that to the patrollers :).  

Stu
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From: michael9@nadine.cs.mun.ca (Michael Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Orthotics
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:30:27 GMT

phoebe@ithaca.com (Phoebe Couch) writes:


>I was in so much pain that I considered quitting downhill
>skiing until I found a good orthopaedic surguoen and he prescribed

	I have a problem with a very narrow heel.  Because my heel is so narrow,
I tend to pull the straps very tight in an attempt to compensate.  As a result
my feet freeze!  (I know, cold feet is God's way of tell you your boots don't
fit)

>The orthotics are only half length and are mainly arch support
>with heel, or a footbed with the toes cut off. They are made
>out of a hard plastic and padded on top with PVC. I was told
  
	Would this help me?  Many years ago I went through a similar procedure,
because I have flat feet, but now all I have are the arch supports.  Would this
arch and heel help?

	BTW, for the last run or two of the day, I always make the boot good and
tight, even if my toes are about to fall off.  The feeling of control that
I get from this is terrific!  But I know of someone who did this a few weeks
ago, and one of his feet stayed numb for days afterward.

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From: eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (Glenn Kaino)
Subject: WANTED: snowboard boot (size 8men)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:02:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing

I want snowboard boots, preferably airwalks size 8 male.... any offers?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: ron@cup.hp.com (Ron Gould)
Subject: Re: Kazama Outback TMs
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:24:34 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Cupertino, CA
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I've been skiing a pair of Outback TMs for about 5 or 6 years now
and really love them, although they are starting to get a litte
beat up now.  I've used them for both lift served skiing and week
long tours, no complaints.  I think they have a wood core, at least
that what I remember from when I mounted the bindings.  There is
a new Kazama Couloir that has been getting some good review, these
are suppose to be similar to the Outback TMs.

Is there anyone who owns/owned a pair of Outback TMs that did not
like them?


Ron Gould
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From: carlson@vauxhall.ece.cmu.edu (Daniel W Carlson)
Subject: Taos info wanted
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:26:59 GMT


	After skiing Summit Co. for New Year's and Jackson Hole the 
next week, I'm looking forward to going to New Mexico next weekend.
I'll be flying in to Alberquerque and finishing some business there
before heading to the slopes. 
	I hear Taos is a few hours away from ABQ, so my friends there
suggest we stay a night up at Taos. Any suggestions for:
	
 	one nights lodging?  
	stay at the ski valley at one of the nice lodges? 
	Or is it better to stay in the town at a hotel?

I've got a NSA ski card which gets me cheaper tickets, but you have to mail
for them. Any discount places in ABQ?
	Well Taos is for a Monday trip, but on Saturday he suggested
we go to Los Alamos. What's the deal with that place? I'm just
curious about the "LAB" ski hill. Any suggestions of good runs there
or at Taos? How much base is needed to cover the rocks at top
of Taos. (My skis took enough abuse at Breck at New Year's lack of
snow.) 
	So far I've hardly been able to use that NSA card much, but
it has been good. The best deal I got was at Grand Targhee. A
$18 advanced lesson for half price. $9 WOW! 
	Well, I'm looking to see how Taos compares to Jackson and 
Summit, but I won't be there for a week. 

	Danny "Wow 3 states in a month!" Carlson
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Storm Restriction, Deer Valley, Utah
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:34:23 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM


>A law is actually being proposed in the legislature that would limit
>tax deductions to 6 kids. It would save the state 2 billion dollars.
>Just think how many pumps that would buy for the Great Salt Lake.
>Anyone wanna bet on whether that'll pass or not?? oops.. I take that
>back... can't bet in this state... but maybe we could play bingo?
>
>-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu
>
>   Favorite sign: "Watch for snowplows in your lane" .....  no shit!

Since you can both bet *and* play bingo in NM, wanna bet it never passes?
The eve before the legislature votes on it, with victory for the bill
clearly in sight, some official spokes man from Our Favorite Religion will
make a statement to the effect that some of his cronies fear that passage
of such a law would cause members to stop having kids (mutiply and
replenish the earth) and maybe not pay their tithing (10% off the top from
you income).  Come voting time, all those supporters will have suddenly
disappeared, and the bill will be defeated by a landslide.  No joke!  This
is precisely what happened with the flat tax bill a few years back.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: No one skiing at Tahoe?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:03:09 GMT

In article <1k1b3oINN2gn@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM
writes:
>Guess most people were scared of the road conditions.
>I love it when that happens.

AT least they are safe and that's predictable, but I bet more of
it has to do with the economy.

I love it when I am driving along, and I see a tire chain just sitting there
on the road.  Out there somewhere is a car lacking a tire chain.
Now clearly that chainless car might run into me or some one else, but it
reinforces my knowledge and faith in humanity.

I love it when riding up on a lift, I see a person or maybe a group
of people toward the top of a run looking for a buried ski.  That
person did not have leashes or straps for skiing powder or soft snow.
The more people helping and the deeper, the longer, the better.
Reinforces my knowledge and faith in humanity, again.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ski Report Euphemisms
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:16:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.

In article <1993Jan22.230852.4157@freenet.carleton.ca>,
aa382@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira) wrote:
> 
> 
> In a previous article, andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter) says:
> 
> >"...Surface is granular and groomed packed granular, enough chair lifts
> >in service for a fine day of skiing..."
> >
> >Lars Guiling
> >From the Seven Springs Ski report of Friday, January 22.
> >
> >I guess they mean that enough chair lifts are in service for a fine day
> >of skiiing, IF they had snow instead of ice.
> >
> >STOP SNICKERING you Western Powder snobs!!!  Its not funny.
> 
> Snicker.
> Actually, I recall one year where the ski reports issued by Mt. Washington
> on Vancouver Island nearly resulted in lawsuits against the mountain...
> Admittedly, they needed revenue badly at the time (doing fine now), but
> I too was a little miffed to listen to ok-sounding ski reports and then
> find myself skiing in the RAIN. Nothing like machine oil dripping from
> the chairlift pulleys onto all that fine new skiwear...
> 
> -- 
> Marc Sira                    |
> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca       |  "Your god drinks...p-p-peach nectar!"
> aa382@freenet.carleton.ca    '

Some ski resorts are honest.  Last March I went skiing in Idaho at
Schweitzer Mountain and Silver Mountain.  The day we were going to Silver,
the ski conditions board in our hotel (owned by the same outfit that
manages the ski resort) said Silver's snow was "corduroy deluxe".  Sure
enough, it was.  The snow had been catted into a grooved surface which had
then frozen solid overnight.  The whole mountain looked like corduroy.  It
was just starting to thaw when we had to leave to catch our plane.  

----------
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All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
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From: jrfbic@spirou.inesc.pt (Projecto de BiCmos)
Subject: info on Sierra Nevada...
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Distribution: rec.skiing
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:12:32 GMT


Does anyone have any reports on skiing conditions at Sierra Nevada,
Spain? I intend to go there in early February.

Thanks in advance

	Jorge
From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mt. Hood (Oregon) first-hand report (short: thumbs up!)
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:43:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1993Jan21.234359.29587
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <11137@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
>In article <MERLYN.93Jan13203408@agora.rain.com> merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>>All this for just $20 (plus $11 for skis, boots, and poles) and a 1.5
>
>Do let us in on this deal.  Normally, full day lift tickets are $27.
>
Stop in any McDonald's to get a coupon for $7 off on Mon-Tues.
(I've heard that these can be used all week, but the coupons I
 have definitely specify Mon/Tues).

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com
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From: rustom@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Rustom Masalawala)
Subject: Info on East coast skiing wanted please
Reply-To: rustom@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: nj
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:16:28 GMT

Hi Folks,
	In the past I have seen many articles posted about places to ski
on the East coast, i.e. Vermont etc. Unfortunately I did not scribble 
down the details then. If anyone out there can send me some information 
that fits the following criteria I would be very grateful. Please send me
mail directly at rustom@syl.nj.nec.com


1. Within  3-5 hours drive of Morristown.
2. A decent number of intermediate runs as we are primarily int skiers.
3. Accomodation near the slopes that is not too pricey yet nice.
4. Might have decent snow coverage at this time of the year.

Thanks for any information provided.

							Rustom.
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From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 23:28:05 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: JACKSON HOLE INFO WANTED
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <YfM3E5600WB=FLmXI9@andrew.cmu.edu> "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Also, about Targhee...ask some of the Jackson Hole skiers on the tram or
>at the Caspar Bowl restaurant during lunch...conditions vary and while I
>was there 10 days ago, I was warned not to go...I didn't...Meanwhile two
>other guys in my condo went and said it really sucked sucked SUCKED!
>
>People were demanding a refund on the cat outings even though they were
>only charging half-price AND...my friends who are pretty much hard to
>convince that those huge broken crust slabs and boot sized death cookies
>aren't just heaven to ski...even they gave up at lunch and just went and
>hit the bar!!
>

Just a moment, Sir.  That "huge broken crust slabs and boot-sized death
cookies" are part of our skiing culture in Idaho.  If you pay $155 for
the cat, you should expect some special challenges.

I was there yesterday, and we had to deal with 0.61 metres of a mixture
of dendritic (mostly), sector and plate, thick plate, and spatial plate
crystalline uglies that had been created by a brief origenic activity
the previous evening.  It was so bad that the crowds stayed away. 
Closure of all (well, all but one) Idaho highways helped.

Three cheers for Nakaya diagrams.

If you want really great snow (and Beer), Utah has it all.  Colorado has
the night life...and welcomes almost everyone with open arms.  New
Mexico is so hospitable that it caters to Texans.
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: No one skiing at Tahoe?
Summary: So local businesses complain
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:08:24 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

An article in today's Sunday San Francisco Examiner reported that Lake
Tahoe businesses are complaining that media reports have scared off tourists
from visiting the area at a time of the best snowfall in years.

Businesses have apparently complained about weather reports on local TV
stations in California, especially in the Bay Area, where a large number of
skiiers come from. The reports are exaggerated, according to businesses.

The businesses have also complained that the highway patrol and Caltrans have
needlessly shut down roads leading to the resort area.

Public officials cite public safety concerns; weather broadcasters say they
have a responsibility to look after the public's safety as well.

Public officials also said that sometimes Tahoe's weather is all right, while
up the western slopes of the Sierra Nevada, it may be snowing buckets.

Anyone notice a drop off in skiiers on the slopes? Maybe now's a good time to 
get up there.

Dan
deherrin@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: riander@well.sf.ca.us (Richard Ivan Anderson)
Subject: Berkeley / Bay Area Ski Club meetings; $10/day Tahoe City lodge
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:17:13 GMT

Take advantage of all that wonderful skiing available this year near Lake
Tahoe.

The Berkeley / Bay Area Ski Club meets the first and third Tuesdays in Oakland,
Berkeley, and Albany for potlucks, parties, and plans.  Carpool ski trips most
weekends to the club's $10 a day ski lodge near Squaw and Alpine.  For
additional information, call Ron Henderson at (415)898-7303.
From: sglickma@hopi.intel.com (Steve Glickman)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Arizona Ski report
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:45:15 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation


 Well I didn't make it to work yesterday so I ended up at Sunrise
instead. The skiing here in the swamplands of Arizona couldn't be
better. I spent my sick day in 18 inches of powder with a grand total
of 106 inches. It was amazing to see that there were only about 30
cars in the parking lot. With all the flooding thats been going on
the Mountains above 8000 ft have been getting dumped on. The only 
downside of all the rain is the lakes are closed to all boats so 
the wetsuit is collecting dust and my waterskiing skills are 
deteriorating. 
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From: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Trip report to Deer Valley, Utah
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:58:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 10318@odin.corp.sgi.com, jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com () writes:
>In article <C15prL.133z@austin.ibm.com>, lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann) writes:
>|> Hey, I love a heavy snowfall while I'm skiing, but JUST SAY 'NO' TO WHITE-OUTS!
>|> 
>|> After seeing a few people taken down in sleds by the ski patrol due
>|> to the white-outs which caused people to run into one another, I'll
>|> take the better visibility ANY day of the week!
>
>Ski in the trees.  Won't see too many people, and visibility will be
>better, because the trees provide contrast.
>
>jim t


I agree with Jim.  I've just got back from 2 1/2 weeks in Tahoe.  Snow, Snow and more.
You could see the skiiers "white caining" it down the bowls, but in the trees it was
knee high powder and loads of fun.  No problem seeing for this skiier.  Keep on snowing!!

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From: cej@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: skiing in May
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:42:43 CST
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1993Jan19.095818.6153@lin.foa.se>, eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2) writes:
> mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan17.152247.28708@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> shawn@grok90.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Shawn Shealy) writes:
>>>Where can one snow-ski in May?
>>>
>>>I am starting to plan my honeymoon which will take place
>>>from 5/15/1993-5/31/1993.  We both enjoy snow skiing.
>>>I was wondering if it would be plausible for us to go
>>>on a honeymoon where we could snow-ski.
>>>Is there a nice place where one can snow-ski during May
>>>that is reachable with a reasonable amount of money
>>>(Australia is probably out) where English only speaking
>>>people would be fairly comfortable?  Is there good skiing

May is too early to expect reliable snowfall in Australia even if you could
afford it. (Mid July is about the earliest for reliable conditions). Mt Hutt
& Queenstown in NZ are usually open by then and they have some excellent
terrain.

--
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From: gvmi@staff.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Whitecap cond.
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:30:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.C1HFvn.7s
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota


I'm looking for snow condition in Whitecap, (Wi or Mich {it's near the border}).
A snow conditons number would be optimal.

Thank in advance..


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From: panageas@protocol.zycad.com (Sam Panageas - 8/7/92)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:37:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: badboy.1k3lr3INNm7u
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Distribution: world
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This is just a test
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: skiing in may (again)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:10:10 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan26.200939.20923@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
shawn@grok90.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Shawn Shealy) writes:
>What does glacier skiing mean?  (other than the obvious)

Glaciers are flowing pieces of ice (unlike stationary snow fields
which Mt. Hood's ski area is).  They have certain angles and thickness
to get them to have plastic flows.  This also means conditions constantly
change.  However, ice as a solid has certain problems trying to flow:
in short this is where a crevice can form.  It is possible to fall into
these.  Resorts having glaciers typically rope crevaced areas off.

Glacier skiing is skiing on a glacier.
Glacier skiing, typically, is not beginner skiing.
There tends to be more ice in some areas.  You might see (ski) a little
glacial "till" or debris ("flour" or gravel) being carried by the glacier in
later season (again which they will close to protect your skis).

>So what should this mean to me?  Are the main slopes closed?  How many
>slopes are open when there is "glacier skiing"?  Are the slopes
>on the glacier(s) good?  Is there any noticeable difference?
>(Pardon my snow-ignorance --- I'm a water-skier by heart!)

main slopes are probably closed, with far fewer glacier slopes open.
Good is a subjective accessment dependent upon the person asking.
Most skiers will be kept from noticeable differences to protect them.
But ask them (the specific resort).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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