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From: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Subject: Re: Best D
Reply-To: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:21:38 GMT

Just because I won't get to do this much ...

Just for your information.. the Number 1 rated defense in the NFL at this 
time....... Is the Indianapolis Colts........

Brian Lichorowic
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Afterthoughts on Raiders/Denver
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:46:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

>As a Raiders fan, I was unhappy that they lost a game they should have won. 
>
>Mark
>maurit@nrtc.northrop.com

don't worry, us bronco fans feel like that _lots_ of times.

>But in retrospect, I cant help but feel glad that Im
>backing the losing Raiders than the winning Broncos.

i'm glad you're a raider fan too!  stick with your team, win or lose.
no fair-weather fans allowed here in r.s.f.p.

>As I said, the Raiders had the game in vitually every important
>position (sure, Schroeders no Elway - but then very few are). 

or want to be :-)

>All they need to do is a little fine tuning and they certainly have
>the firepower and defense to make a very respectable showing of
>themselves. Hey, Bell and Dickerson in the same backfield!

all they need to do is win, ha ha.

>Denver, on the other hand, was lucky - and while there is nothing
>wrong with being lucky, you cant count on it,

seems like you can't count on being good, either.  ha ha again.

>and defensively and offensively they were really weak. 

go ahead, claim the raiders are the better team.
kind of pointless when the broncos won the game, though.

ok
dpm
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From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:25:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.162810.1649@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

  Anyone that will discount the Niners because they
>lost one game, does not know anything about sports.
>-- 

I never discounted the Niners.  I also don't think Cofer alone matters 
whether we get to the Superbowl or not.  However, if you watched last years 
games, you would understand that we would have been in the Playoffs had 
Cofer not lost games.  

I understand 1 game does not matter.  However, if we lose by 3 points every 
week because of Cofer's missed field goals, it will matter.
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holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: kevinc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE ()
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:12:49 GMT

John P. Gloria writes:
: 
: Although I agree with you in part that Cofer should be replaced,
: he did not lose the game vs the Bills.  Two high explosive
: offenses battled it out and the Bills came out on top.

  ________

  This is a typical liberal response, and for a number of reasons
  it is totally wrong. Let me tell you why.

      Kickers have a realativly easy job i.e. just kick the ball
      through the goal posts. THATS ALL THEY DO !! They don't have
      to worry about getting tackeled or beat up in any way. (thats
      why they only have one bar going across their face guard.....
      it's basically for looks - has no real function.)

      Owners used to purchase kickers for mediocre dollars
      until recently. Why ? Because they were viewed as weenie athletes
      who didn't want to get hurt in what is known as a very brutal
      game. But this all changed when "Cofer" actually wised up and
      said "Hey, because of my foot, I score ootles of points for
      this team (almost as much as J. Rice) on a very regular basis
      so I should get more $$$."

      Now Kickers are starting to be viewed in the right perspective.
      Which is; very speciallized athletes who do one thing, and are
      COUNTED ON to do their one thing EVERY TIME their called upon.
      Thats why they get so much $$$ for so little work on the field.

      So in a game, when the coach calls in the kicking team. He is 
      basically saying, "I can't make a touch down but I can at least
      put 3 points on the board with a field goal." Thus in comes
      the kicker to offer services rendered. 

      The bottom line is: a Kicker is the only guy on the field
      who is specifically paid to score points. Not to rack up yardage
      or decide when to play man or zone defense or block and tackle.
 
      So if the score is 31 to 34, and Cofer is called. They expect
      him to make the field goal. Thats what they paid for.
      If he misses more than a couple, better get rid of him. It
      did wonders for Norwood and Johnson.
Kc
 
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From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Subject: Re: #1 Sacker
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:01:29 GMT


	Pat Swilling - New Orleans Saints (cha-ching saints)

	shivram
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Perfect Score!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:38:14 GMT

No matter who wins tonight, we will have at least one perfect score in the
pool this week.  We could have as many as four.

I'm sitting in about 220th and I went 10-3 so far!

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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: USA TODAY,Predictions.Vikes last  NOT
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:45:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: hemlock.1992Sep4.144512.17886
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@redwood26


In article <1992Sep4.074532@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov>, voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek) writes:
> 
> USA Today in their special Football issue, predict MN to finish
> last in the preseason.......
> 
> I hope they eat their words....

Even if they ignored the Vikes pre-season, there is always "the Bays".
There's no way the Vikes will be worse than *both* Green Bay and Tampa
Bay.

If the Vikes play like they did in the pre-season, then could win
the Central...

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Re: Steelers win at Houston! (ESPN sux)
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:43:58 GMT

I the last four times Pitt has played the Oilers the Oilers have lost
3 TIMES.  HAHAHAHAHA!!  Pitt rules!  The Jets are going to be a cakewalk.
(I hope).
							Wolverine
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys beat Redskins: 23-10
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:40:14 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Sep8.040802.3189@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>In a game that showed that instant replay should still be used in the NFL, the
>Cowboys beat the Redskins at Texas Stadium on the first MNF game of the year.

I would have gone completely over the edge if the Redskins had won by less
than a touchdown.  Considering that I was in a public place during the game,
it's a good thing they didn't.  :^)

>Charles Haley proved a great addition to the Cowboys by pressuring Rypien the
>whole game. The Cowboys had two (2) sackes of Rypien, but he was picking
>himself up off the ground after almost every play.

I thought the pass rush, so effective at first, starting weakening as the
game went on.  Maybe the Hogs just got it together.  Anyway, the intensity
was there.

>Emmitt Smith looked GREAT. He had one (1) TD and around 130 yards in rushing.

Just to be official, his stats were 26-139, a 5.3 yard average.  What makes
that even more impressive is that his longest run was only about 15 yards,
which means that he was getting 5-6 yards almost *every* carry, instead
of one long run and a bunch of nothings.  He looked incredible the whole
game.

I liked the way it was put in the paper this morning -- "There were two
rushers who went over 100 yards against the Redskins last year, and both
were named Emmitt Smith."

>Aikman looked good. He had two (2) interceptions, but one of them was clearly
>a trapped ball and would have deffinately been overturned had instant replay
>been in use.

The other one, though, was a pretty poor pass.  Overall I was impressed with
Aikman's performance.  He showed something that had been lacking in previous
years -- touch.  The touchdown pass to Harper over Green was beautiful, a
perfect lofting throw.

Speaking of Harper, how about that one-handed catch he made?  He looked great.
Irvin, despite a few drops, looked great, too.   The offense stuttered at
times, but what the heck, it's the first game.  I saw enough to make me
really hungry for the rest of the season.  Bring 'em on.  It's going to be
a long year for Cowboy haters.

Daniel Welch
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Hooked On Phonics)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: To Tony (on the NFC)
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Only the NFC would consider Detroit a strong team...the Bills had them beat with
their back-ups.

Sorry, just had to be said.

					---Chet
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 11:39:55 CET
From: <MATTWOOD@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Weekly results posting wanted

 Keith Sutton, <sutton@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> writes:

>Hello
> Is there anyone on the Net who can post a weekly list of
>the games' scores? I would prefer E-mail but posting will
>also work. If someone has such a list please add my address
>to it.

 Me too, please.

Please try mattwood@esttr1.estec.esa.nl before trying the above
address.

 Thanx!

 Martin.
From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kill Cofer, get Blanchard.
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:29:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington

ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:

>>Sorry man.  The Saints [aren't] that stupid.  They put him [a kicker] on their 
>>developmental squad.

>I've never heard of one team raiding another's developmental squad.  Perhaps
>there's some sort of gentlemen's agreement in operation here.  But
>there is nothing to prevent it.  If some team "develops" an urgent
>need for a kicker don't be surprised if you lose this guy.


	Teams only place players on their developmental squads after they
have cleared waivers, which means that no other team has a right to them. 
If the 49ers were serious about replacing Cofer and getting Blanchard,
they should have claimed him off of waivers when they had a chance.  Now
it is too late.  My guess is that they did not want to mess with Cofer's
psyche before the season started.  Wrong move.  They should have done more
to protect themselves against this situation.
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From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:01:45 GMT

killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:

|>In <hcsnxlb.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

|>>Nothing personal, but who gives a fuck whether the officials are happy
|>>without it or not.  We don't pay to see the officials.  Their blown calls
|>>can effect a players livelihood and paycheck.  Of the games I saw this
|>>weekend every one of them had a bad call in it that could have been
|>>overturned with IR.

|>I try not to take it personally :)  (OK, I referee in Finland, not in NFL..)

|>How come the 'blown' calls affect the players paycheck?  If you are a
|>good player, you will stay that way even if a touchdown you made is 
|>called back because some holding took place.

Contracts must not be worked the same way in Finland...
Many players contract have incentive clauses based on stats. Yes, calling
a TD back can have huge consequences on a player paycheck. Not to mention
place kickers. Let's say a TD gets voided because of a bad call. So the
team has to settle for a field goal. Well, the place kicker missing the
field goal to win (which he shouldn't have had to kick anyways) and could
lose his job. Place kickers have a short life in the NFL.

|>And have you ever considered the fact that officials are only human and
|>make mistakes just like players and coaches?  If a team loses because
|>of a 'blown' call, then the game was close enough for ANY luck factor
|>to make them lose it.

Well, the game is a lot based on luck, but when it ends it doesn't matter
how close the game was or what the luck involved was... You either win
or lose and that pays out bets on games, it resolves fan arguements on whose
team was better, it could either advance or eliminate players from
the playoffs and it eventually decides careers.

Since the refs are human, why not add another buffer to make it harder
for errors to slip through ? Sure the IR guy is human too, but 2 heads
(or in this case views) are better than one. And many times, the refs simply
doesn't have a good view of it and IR can help.
I think refs look more like and idiot when a bad call stands than when IR
corrects them...

|>I personally am against IR, because without it, the officials WILL make
|>better calls, as they have no 'safety net' :)

This is a complete line of BULL as evidenced by calls made last week and
before IR was introduced.

If I were a ref, I would want to make the call right the first time no
matter what. There is NO MOTIVATION to MAKE A WRONG CALL.

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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders is NOT Thomas is NOT...
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.145345.16369@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
>      IMHO, Detroit has the better OLine.  Dallas has a converted DL playing
>tackle, an ex-USFLer playing guard, 2yr man EWilliams has less than 10 starts.
>I believe Lomas Brown was selected by his peers for Pro Bowl honors.  I know
>Detroit has been hurt by some big losses, but Dallas hasn't had a Pro Bowl
>OLineman in nearly 10 years.

Come on, just because Nate Newton played in the USFL does not mean he is not
one hell of an offense lineman.  Just like most offense lineman it took 
Nate a few years to adjust to the pro-level.  He did this starting in the
USFL instead of backing up in the NFL, big deal.  He damn well should have
been in the Pro Bowl last year, but the Pro Bowl is not who is best in a 
year but who has a rep for being the best.  

So what if a lineman was converted from the DL.  Remember the great offense
lines of yesteryear for the Cowboys.  Check where the played in college.


And as for E Williams, just ask Charles Mann how good this kid is.  He has
made Mann disappear in the last two Dallas vs. Washington games.  Pretty 
damn impressive don't you think.

I don't know which line is better since I know nothing about Detroit's line, 
but your attempt to put down the Cowboys OL shows that either you know 
nothing about football except for stats or that you just want to bash the
Cowboys.


Robert
From: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (tanj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: LIONS WOOF VIKINGS!!!! (where is all the woofing?)...and Bruce Coslet
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:18:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Scuba_One
Originator: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

[I am re-posting this article.  I posted it earlier today, but I don't think
the software was working correctly.]


I just had to get on the bandwagon.  
I thought we had already established that the Vikings had won the Superbowl 
last week and the season was already over after the victory over the Packers...
and now look...WOOF!!!!!

LIONS WOOF VIKINGS!!!!

I just can't wait to see next week's game...Vikings vs. Buccs.

I've seen both teams play in the first two games (the majority of both
games) in IMHO I think the Buccs WILL WOOF the hapless VIKINGS!

The Vikings looked pathetic against the Packers and the Lions.
The Buccs looked good...(disclamer coming up)...even though they did
play the Cardinals and the Pack.

And on another subject...how about Bruce (The Cool) Coslet with his
arm gesture at the end of the first half of the Jets/Steelers game?

I really wasn't paying too much attention to that game...so maybe
someone could tell me if the Steelers did in fact have another time out...
or not, or did the Steelers get a break?

Jeff
DISCLAMER:  I am not a fan of any particular NFL team.  Deep down in my
cold heart I am a Packer fan...but I know that the Pack just STINKS right
now.  





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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Kill Cofer, get Blanchard.
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:55:59 GMT

Yeah Cofer has been to unpredictable and downright undependable
to keep.  

I know the perfect replacement for him.  The Saints had a guy kicking
for Morten Anderson in the pre-season that was hitting their 
field goals.  But, with Anderson healthy they don't need him.

He was moderately impressive when given the chance with the Saints,
but he really showed in the WAFL where he won the WAFL championship
with a long field goal.  

Carey Blanchard.  Somebody tell Seifert.

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
From: roush@stortek.com (Jeff Roush)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: TNT Announcers / Bronco Comments
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:23:36 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

In article <1992Sep8.014939.25644@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>The announcers for the Bronco game last night were some of the worst I've
>ever heard.  Among the idiotic things I can remember were:
>
>1. "John Elway is the winningest COACH in..."
>
>2. Referee signals illegal forward pass and the announcer declares "Oh, there
>   was an illegal man down field."  Not only should he know the damn signals,
>   but he should have seen that Elway was passed the line of scrimmage anyway!
>
>3. "Karl Mecklenburg, number 71" (For those not in the know, Meck in #77)
>
>4. Numerous sentences which made no sense whatsoever...
>
>Anyway, I was amused that these guys were actually getting paid to bring me
>such cluefull information.

As well as saying that Mecklenburg was not a very good individual player
(did I miss something?), LOTS of mistakes on calling who made tackles 
(on both sides of the ball), blathering on and on about the Broncos use 
of time outs before the two minute warning (which gave them almost three
minutes to work with but no time outs with when they DID get the ball 
back instead of under two with a couple of time outs - a fair trade if 
you ask me).  They sucked.

As for the game...

Win or lose (but I hope win) I LIVE (ok, exaggeration :-) for the two
times a year that the Raiders and Broncos play, and I'll take a win any 
way we can get one!

Jeff_Roush@stortek.com
my opinions are my own...
From: tchriste@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas/Washington MNF
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:21:02 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Can someone please post the box scores to last week's MNF game between Dallas
and Washington, specifically:  Rushing Yards, Passing Yards, and Turnovers
(INT's and Fumbles Lost) for both teams.  My newspaper didn't print these....
I need them for a statistics package I supply to my pool participants.....
Thanks
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From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:17:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Denver Broncos Cuts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

> OH, here's an IR question.  As I understand it, if a player goes on IR
> before the last cuts, they cannot play for the entire year (e.g.,
> Patrick Rowe, rookie WR, Cleveland), however, if a player goes on
> IR AFTER the final cuts, they can come back after four games.
> Correct?  If so, my OTHER question is....when I first heard of Vance's
> injury, I thought he was gone for the year.  Waiting until now to put
> him on IR implies that Vance may play this year.  Any word from Bronc-
> land on how long he may be out?

Sewell is out for the year.

Vance will be back.

-- LSC
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: TNT Announcers / Bronco Comments
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:19:34 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <BuBJqw.21C@acsu.buffalo.edu> v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.014939.25644@colorado.edu>, davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu 
>(David Rex Wood) writes...
>>The announcers for the Bronco game last night were some of the worst I've
>>ever heard.  Among the idiotic things I can remember were:
>> 
>>1. "John Elway is the winningest COACH in..."
>> 
>>2. Referee signals illegal forward pass and the announcer declares "Oh, there
>>   was an illegal man down field."  Not only should he know the damn signals,
>>   but he should have seen that Elway was passed the line of scrimmage anyway!
>> 
>>3. "Karl Mecklenburg, number 71" (For those not in the know, Meck in #77)
>> 
>>4. Numerous sentences which made no sense whatsoever...
>
>	The announcers should know about football, but please don't flame them
>for mistakes when you make so many yourself.
>
>Snoopy
>
>>David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
>>  BRONCOS!!        R.S.F.P. Internet Football Pool Organizer        BRONCOS!!

Is there some particular mistake I've made which you are referring to?  I'm
a little confused here...

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