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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Trevor Wilson Update
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:33:59 GMT

Scott "Dave, John, Davidson, Fred, not-TCB" Davis and I were down at Venice
Beach a couple of weeks ago, and Trevor Wilson was playing in the pickup
game.  For those of you who aren't familiar with them, Venice is the scene
at the outset of "White Men Can't Jump", and Trevor is an ex-UCLA
Mega-super-star (well, maybe not quite, but in his own mind at least).

Trevor looked pretty good against the strong pick-up game.  He even ripped
a rebound, did his patented end-to-end drive, and put the ball in.  Didn't
even charge.

He still can't shoot from further than about 6 feet.
--

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From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Predictions
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:41:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: 3cpu.4222
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <1992Aug27.224742.28174@SSD.intel.com> rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
>In article <16376@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>>  . . . Cliff Robinson
>>  is getting better each year and I wouldn't be surprised if 
>>  Kersey ends up coming off the bench by the end of the year.
>   ^^^^^^
>
>Insert the word "DUCKWORTH" here.



 You never played the game of basketball, have you?



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From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DT II?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:44:15 GMT
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

> From barkema0332@iscsvax.uni.edu ()

> ...do you think that 4 years from now there will be a DT II 
> or have we proven our point.  Which is that no one in the world can come close
> to messing with the finest basketball players in the world which are found
> right here in the good old U.S.A.
>        Was just curious as to the response.

I would be surprised if there were another dream team for the next Summer 
Games. The reason? Not because we proved the US has the best players; 
everyone already knew that (well, except for certain Aussies who keep popping 
up). The reason is that the '96 Summer Games will be held in Atlanta. The real
reason the NBA was so supportive of Team USA was that it wanted to get
more exposure for its stars in the world market. This is why there is the 
McDonald's Open where the top European teams play against an NBA team.
World exposure is also why Utah and Phoenix played a regular season game 
in Japan last year.  The NBA has less to gain by letting it's players participate
in another tournament on American soil.  The NBA wants to become a world
league and the way to start is by generated fan interest over seas.

Besides, a DT II would lessen the appeal of the DT: Greatest Team Ever Assembled.
How would you pick between DT 'x' and DT 'y'?

-Bennet
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Danny Ferry - Did he err?
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:11:14 GMT

In article <21028@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> Did I ever tell you about the time Sean Elliott shot the game winning
>3-pointer over Danny Ferry up in Jersey??? I did? OH -  OK then, never
>mind.....

That was one of my favorite shots of all time!!!

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Spurs Update
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:53:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug26.205308.26794
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.150235.1052@microsoft.com> paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:
>The Spurs signed Vinnie Del Negro with the intention of
>making him their starting point guard. According to local
>news report, the contract calls for $11 mil guaranteed for
>six years. This for a player who was second-round draft
>pick (29th overall in 1988), who has never been an NBA
>starter, and who may not even be a point guard.
>
>stuff deletd ........
>
>Del Negro himself admits that it will take him at least a 
>half a season to adjust to the NBA. No doubt Tim Hardaway,
>John Stockton, Kevin Johnson, and Terry Porter will be
>only too happy to help him adjust.
>

  No doubt Rod Strickland will be only too happy to help too!
-- 
Jerry Simmering                 | GO Portland Trailblazers! 1992 W.C. Champs
Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.  | GO Atlanta Falcons! 
Beaverton, Oregon.              | GO Georgia Bulldawgs!
                                | GO Atlanta Braves! 1991 NL Champs!    
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering)
Subject: Re: Predictions
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:15:42 GMT

In article <92241.090302IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.125958.1122@NeoSoft.com>, claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron
>Laird) says:
>>
>>In article <4217@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
>>                        .
>>>Duckworth has reportedly been working with a very intense weight program
>>                        .
>>                        .
>>Surely.  OK, so maybe I'm a bit credulous on
>>the game value of conditioning programs--I
>>believe in them in a BIG way--but I predict
>>a big Duck turnaround, if this be true.  It
>>could mean a Kevin Willis-magnitude comeback,
>>All-Star caliber play, a Blazer championship,
>>all that.
>
>  Maybe not _all_ that.  But it could at least
>mean that The Duck will provide starter-quality
>play for the first time in about three years.
>
>Tom Hyer

   More duckworth stuff - He reportedly also added a weight room to his house 
in chicago so he'd be able to work out whenever he wanted while he was home 
over the summer. Duck didn't show up for the big mans camp this year even 
though he was scheduled to. As a Blazer fan i'm hoping he didn't go because
he's been there before and decided to stay on the weight programm instead.
The other choice is that he's decided to be lazy for at least part of
the summer and give Refrigirator Perry a run for the most embarrasing
physicall condition for a pro athlete.  :-(


-- 
Jerry Simmering                 | GO Portland Trailblazers! 1992 W.C. Champs
Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.  | GO Atlanta Falcons! 
Beaverton, Oregon.              | GO Georgia Bulldawgs!
                                | GO Atlanta Braves! 1991 NL Champs!
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Selling the Lakers short
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:13:58 GMT

> In article <1992Aug31.233028.744@cheshire.oxy.edu> creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:
> 
> >Well, here's my feelings concerning the Lakers.
> 
> >  Worthy is getting old, as
> >are Perkins and Scott.
> > Magic may play this year, but he won't be the player
> >he was five or even two years ago.
> > Vlade remains inconsistant and for the greatest extent unproven.
> >The Lakers did make some good acquisitions in the
> >off season, including their steal in the draft, Anthony Peeler.  But these
> >will not a top division team make.
> >Let's be honest.... Seattle and Phoenix have improved, Portland without 
> >question remains a better team.  Golden State is coming off a fine 
> >season as well.  That places four teams in the Pacific which I believe
> >  San Antonio and Utah are givens in next years playoffs.


The Lakers won 40 odd games (around 44, if I remember
correctly) last year. They played the last 2 months of the season
with this patchwork lineup playing a lot of minutes: 
Campbell, Green, Scott, Teagle, and Threatt.  

Add Worthy, Perkins, Peeler, and Divac to this list, and they
have a shot at winning > 50 games next season. Will they go deep
into the playoffs? No. Will they be competitive? Yes. Seattle
and GS have yet to show me they can go deep into the
playoffs. I fancy the Lakers chances against any one of of those
teams (and SA, Clippers, maybe even Utah) in the playoffs.


All this, assuming no Magic, who should stay retired, IMO.


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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Memories of Magic, Larry, and Mike
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:17:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.173625.20601@rchland.ibm.com> rssmith@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Rick Smith) writes:
>In article <BtnGzr.2pA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Bird:
>|> 	1)  The "steal" -- catches Isiah sleeping and feeds DJ for the
>|> 	    go-ahead layup.
>|> 	2)  The shootout with Dominique Wilkins.  The key play in this
>|> 	    game however, it seemed, was when Ainge stole the ball and
>|> 	    was going in for the layup.  Doc Rivers was defending him,
>|> 	    and blocked the shot.  However, it was ruled that Rivers
>|> 	    touched the backboard, therefore a goal-tending violation.
>|> 	    That gave the Celtics some cushion, and led to their win.
>|> 	Unfortunately, the last 2 memories are bad.
>|> 	3)  Against the Sixers (in the mid 80's), Bird is fouled, and
>|> 	    proceeds to miss both 3-pters.  The Sixers come down, and
>|> 	    Dr. J sinks a 3-pter for the win.
>|> 	4)  Against the Knicks in Game 5 (last season of Jimmy Rodgers
>|> 	    tenure), 1st round.  Bird drives in, during a close game,
>|> 	    and misses a turnaround dunk.  A few plays later, while the
>|> 	    shot clock is running out, Ewing chases a ball into the 
>|> 	    corner and sinks a 3-pter.  The Knicks go on to win, by 
>|> 	    winning the last 3 games of the series.
>|> 
>
>
>The Bird moment for me was when he took an outside shot (read: BRICK) and
>immediately took off for the right side of the glass because he KNEW that's
>where it would end up.  While all the defenders (can't remember the team)
>were waiting for the rebound, Bird flew (:-)) in and in one motion,
>shoveled the loose rebound into the basket.  My memory of the other team
>is gone but the sight of Larry following up his miss will always be there.
>
>
The Bird moment that will be etched in my mind is when he came out of the
locker room in the Indiana playoff series.  He took over the came!!!!
I sat there in amazement that a human being with a horrible back, bad ankles,
and now a cracked eye-socket could play that well.  Of all his great feats
this one typies Bird for me.

Or what about that time when ........	

Robert
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:45:08 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <matthew.714953218@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>> Even ESPN, the network that brings us monster truck races and arena 
>> football, refuses to show ice hockey.
>
>Careful, Bucky.
>
>According to today's LA Times, ESPN is about to sign a contract to 
>broadcast the NHL.  The would put the NHL on ESPN, but not the NBA.

Uh-oh, ESPN is part of my basic cable package, so I can't cancel it without
giving up TNT and WGN as well.  What a dilemma.  I guess I'll just have to
check the TV listings so I'll know when to avoid ESPN.

By the way, did the Times say how much the NHL is going to pay ESPN to show
the games?
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From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: What does the black tape on the shoulder mean?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:38:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I have seen pro basketball players -- all teams wore a black tape on the right
shoulder -- what does it mean?


-- 

Scott Allen Steinbrink
 
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All opinions and remarks are not my responsbility - it's my own
mind's full responsbility. I just speak what it commands me to say. 

"Deaf people can do anything except hear" - I. King Jordan
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: scoring leaders on title teams (was: Compiling List of Jordan Awards)
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:50:50 GMT

In article <92245.080754IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:

>> [of Jordan:]
>>
>>o Only 2nd player to win NBA Championship and lead league in scoring
>>  the same season (Kareem 1971) -- he has done it twice
>
>Doesn't this seem odd?  That means that, prior to 1991, only
>one NBA champion in some godawful number of years (I don't
>know how far back Andrew looked) had a scoring leader on
>the team.  That's less than you'd expect if the champion
>were chosen randomly!
>
>Clearly this is telling us something.  Probably scoring
>leaders tend to have Mitch Richmond Syndrome, and their
>teams lose when the going gets tough.

Or maybe a team with the league's leading scorer tends to depend too much
on that one player.  When the playoffs come around and the opponents are
super-focused on stopping that one guy, his teammates can't take up the
slack.
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 16:14:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.145800.13706@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Sep01.125914.7775@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>82-83  o NCAA Player of the Year
>Can this be true? 82-83 was Ralphie's senior year. As far as I remember,
>Ralphie won all but one Player of the Year polls (including the Wooden
>Award), while Jordan won only one. 
>
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          

I was wondering if this type of question would come up.  I dunno which
poles picked who, but Jordan is almost always spoken of as a two-time
NCAA Player of the Year.  

I'll assume that all sorts of these are debatable (given the extensive
number of rankings -- Shick/Edge Defensive Player, Jeep/Eagle MVP, 
SPORT Magazine MVP, etc...), but I hope they don't turn this feed
into a 'Who's Who' of polls.

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:52:10 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

>
>I would advise you to drop this line of discussion before either the
>facts or your abusive language render your position hopeless. To
>argue that Magic's or Bird's passing skills were only "*somewhat*
>better" than Jordan's is a losing proposition.

I can give you a reason why Magic and Birds passing skills were only
somewhat better than Jordan's.

Both Magic and Bird have been hyped constanly as great passers.

I've seen Magic & Bird dish off average assists and heard the
commentators and fans go wild about it.  The same or sweeter assist
from Jordan gets a ho hum from them.

Whenever I went to the garden (Boston), the fans would hang on every
good pass Bird made as if it were the best of his career.  When I watched
LA play on TV the commentators acted as if each pass Magic made was a new
invention, a once in a lifetime experience.

The only time I see this where Jordan is concerned, is when he gets up
in the air.  Then fans expect him to top what he did the last time.

When Jordan was playing guard he dished out some really nice passes.
No one went wild about it.  Also, Jordans role is not to set up
his teammates as it was for Bird/Magic.

If you don't believe me check out any old tapes of Bird and Magic.
You'll see how much people go crazy over average passes.

___
WORDS OF WISDOM FROM NAT X
"Only the man would make the black jellybean the nastiest tasting
 candy on the face of the earth"
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Sullivan family will take on Austalian OLY team and win
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:24:35 GMT

My family could whip the Australian Olympic team.  In fact, we could
probably give the DT a good run.

Look at this!

Off G     Mark Sullivan (younger brother).  Scholarship player for
          UCI in late '70s.  UCI once beat UCLA.  UCLA has beaten
          the Aussie Natl team on US tour.  Starter for 4 years on
          high school bball team, something that Mike Jordan didn't
          do.  Compelling argument for us beating DT.  Automatic
          from pussy Int'l (eg high school) 3 pt line.

Strong F  Me.  I win pickup games at the same court at Stanford
          where Vlahov has lost games.  so there.  I beat Rich
          Kelley(former Stanford and 10yr NBA center) one on one
          when I played on high school team with him.  Rich has led
          NBA in rebounding, not something Longley will ever do.
          I'll match up with Luc until Connor grows up.

Point     Karen Sullivan (my wife)  will win all arguments with the
          refs.  She can split time with my sister, Laurie, who has
          been to Australia.  Both of them are undefeated in Bball
          also which can't be said for Aussies.

Forw      Dave Sullivan - (another younger brother)  awesome.
          almost got drafted by Blazers but NBA restrictions on
          talent and credentials kept him out.  Almost went to Spain
          and Italy once.  Averages 15 ppg in rec league now.  Dave
          and I won a 2 on 2 game against a team that had a former
          USF player on it.  Bill Russell played at USF who was
          perhaps the greatest player of all time.  There you have
          it, Dave might be too.

Center    Connor Sullivan - 2 yrs old.  Never has lost a basketball
          game.  Father is 6'3, mother 6' even which means he might
          end up being pretty tall.  has pretty good ball handling
          skills already.  Projected by some to be a NBA first
          rounder.  (someone else projects a doctor). UNLIMITED
          potential.


There's lots of us Sullivans floating around to come off the bench-
WOW!

We have played together since grade school in the 60s which is a
hell of a lot longer than the Aussies have played together.  The
Aussies have never won a game playing against a family.  They could
tend to take us for granted, which if we get an early lead, we can
exploit.  We've never lost to Croatia, Lithuania, or Germany.

Hole in what logic?

Mike (where do I put a smiley in THIS one?) Sullivan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: Re: Australia vs. NCAA teams
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Summary: Suckers!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:09:20 GMT

In article <92241.135156IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.
EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
>
>  How many NCAA teams could have beaten the Aussie
>olympic squad?  How would they have done at the
>NCAA tournament?
>
>  My best guess is that Australia could field a
>borderline top 20 team.  Let's think about it:

     Come on! Let's think of how many teams in the Big East, ACC, and Big
Ten they couldn't beat. Then when you consider the other major conferences
and small school success (Rutgers? Richmond?), I have just one thing to say
about a top 20 team:
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!
     Not only would their starting talent be good at best, but what would
they use for a compentent bench after teams like Michigan and Ohio State ran
them silly up and down the court? I don't THINK so; Homey don't play that....

Go Reds! Go Buckeyes! Go Browns!
David Rodabaugh                 rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
From: jjung@aludra.usc.edu (John Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Clips News (Re: Clippers/Knicks/Orlando trade)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 12:41:04 -0700
Organization: University of $outhern California, Los Angeles, CA
Reply-To: jjung@usc.edu (John Jung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <matthew.715452527@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
:In other Clipper news, predicated on the trade, the Clips were going to 
:release William "shoulda stood in" Bedford to free up salary for the 
:signing of Elmore Spencer.

  Actually, I read in the L.A. Times that if the three team trade happens, the
Clips will be under the salary cap by about $300,000 and that they were going
to use that money for Spencer. The Times further went on to say that the Clips
want to waive Bedford and use his $400,000 for Don McLean.

:No comment from this Clippers fan.

  I still can't believe they got one of their best players so mad at them that
he initiated the trade...

						John

John Jung aka Junior         | "If you doubt a friend, you are not being a
Flt. Capt. on calvin [ret.]  |  friend."                     -- Groo #62
Nilgiri Level 20 Mage [ret.] | "Happiness isn't something you experience, it's
E-mail: jjung@aludra.usc.edu |  something you remember."     -- Oscar Levant
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Who's gonna win it all? (was Re: Predictions)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:42:54 GMT

In article <l9njehINN3v9@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.172948.25925@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>|>|
>|>
>|>Not!  Name one good beer produced in Milwaukee.
>|>
>|    How 'bout Miller? Or the much underrated Pabst? 
>|
>I'm still waiting...
>
     Oh, I suppose down south you'd rather drink Billy Beer, huh ;)
     I guess as long as it's not Bud or Busch it's okay.

>
>