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From: spk@aber.ac.uk (Stephen Kingston)
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Subject: Re: Prayer Suggestion - Update
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:32:59 GMT
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Organization: Computer Science Dept., University College of Wales, Aberystwyth.

For interested parties, here is the result of yesterdays General Election:

The Conservative party have once again formed an overall majority of 
seats, although the majority is only about 17 seats, much reduced from
the previous 100 seat majority. Nevertheless, the expected result was 
a hung parliament (no party having a majority), so they have done 
better then expected.

Conservative polled 40% of the votes, Labour were slightly behind and
the Liberal Democrats polled 20% of the vote (but only have 17 seats 
next to about 350 for the conservatives. Methinks somethink is slightly
wrong with our electoral system there).

Our (Christian) Liberal Democrat M.P. -Geraint Howells (Ceredigion and 
Pembroke North) was defeated by Cynog Dafis (Plaid Cymru). That was quite 
a shock as Geraint Howells was defending an 18000 majority - a safe 
seat, and Cynog Dafis was in fourth place at the last election with 
only about 1000 votes! I wonder how many other candidates came from 
fourth to first place.

Anyway, Wales now has more Nationalist M.P.s then Scotland, a fact not 
yet picked up on by the media.

Personally, I would have preferred to see a hung parliament because 
the Conservative policies amount to bribery in the form of tax cuts,
and moral issues were sidelined. Nevertheless, it seems the bribes 
worked, and at least the stock market is happy!

Stephen.
-- 
Gweleis i rac neb nym gweles pop annwyl. ef diwyl yneges. Gweleis i pasc.
(I saw the one above all men,  he saw me;  he, the beloved of his people,
who fulfills his mission. I saw Easter.) "Yspeil Taliesin" ---Taliesin---
spk@uk.ac.aber --- spk%uk.ac.aber@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk --- Stephen Kingston
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Abortion, the only option?

Sorry about the confusion, Vicky.  We agree, after all.  Sometimes I
get a mite deaf.  Later.
                        Love INC,
                                 ---Kerry
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From:         Dennis Davidson <DDAVIDSON@CBACC.CBA.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      evil
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I am kind of confused, but if there isn't evil in the world, should I tear
out every page in my Bible that says something about evil? I am just
wondering how many chapters in the Bible I would have left?

Your servant in Christ,

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Subject:      He gave His all.

              HE GAVE HIS ALL

  His kiss to a betrayer - Luke 22:47,48
  His reputation to a false witness - Mark 14:56,57
  His holiness to the high priest - Mark 14:64
  His civil rights to the temple courts - Mark 15:1
  His freddom to Barabbas - Mark 15:15
  His flesh to a Roman flogger - John 19:11
  His destiny to an angry mob - Matt 27:25
  His scalp to a crown of thorns - Mark 15:17
  His authority to Pilate - John 19:1
  His kingship to Caesar - John 19:15
  His strength to the streets of Jerusalem - Ps 22:15
  His garments to the soldiers - John 19:23,24
  His blood back to the ground - Mark 15:25
  His hands and feet to crude spikes - Luke 24:39
  His modesty to the marketplace - Ps 22:16-18
  His visage to the garrisons' reed - Isaiah 52:14
  His mother to the beloved disciple - John 19:26,27
  His Father's grace to the sins of all mankind - Mark 15:34
  His beauty to His oppressors - Isaiah 53:2
  His heart to you and me - Ps 22:14
  His spirit to His Father's hands - Luke 23:46
  His side to a Roman spear - John 19:34
  His body to a borrowed grave - Mark 15:46
  His perfect, absolute, unconditional love to the entire world - John 3:16

                              -- Larry Bryan
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:24:51 CST
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Andrew:

   I know someone who went to the rally, and said it was more
like 700,000.


 Kim
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:09:08 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Canadian national identity

Lora, yes, I'd like the lyrics.  Thank you!

  From what you said, Canada's regional identities overwhelm its national
one.  On one hand, that's not a bad thing:  people have more of a sense of
community.  On the other hand (who was it that wished for a one-handed
economist?), the provinces are less united when it comes to national
issues:  the Meech Lake Accords and the Parti Quebecois come to mind.

Evelyn
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:02:19 EST
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Water baptism

        Kerry,

        1. The Catholic Church baptizes by immersion, sprinkling, or
        pouring.  At the present time pouring is the most common method,
        at least in the United States.  In other centuries immersion was
        most common.  All three are equally valid.

        2. The Catholic Church practices infant baptism when the child is
        to be raised as a Catholic.  The Church also baptizes adult
        converts when necessary.

        3. Both, simultaneously.  However, the Catholic Church recognizes
        the validity of all validly performed Christian baptisms.  If a
        baptized Christian is received into the Catholic Church he is not
        repbatized because baptism is a sacrament that can be received
        only once.  If there is any question about the validity of his
        baptism he will be conditionally baptized.  The priest will say,
        "If you are not already baptized I baptize you in the name of the
        Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

        4. There are blessings, anointings, and ceremonies that usually
        accompany baptism, although they are not necessary for validity.
        The setting and other external aspects vary.  Sometimes it is
        done during Mass, sometimes in a special ceremony, etc.


        Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:47:21 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
              7 Apr 1992 00:30:07 -0800 from <whchen@CS.NTHU.EDU.TW>

Allen,
Welcome.  I can think of several possible solutions to your problem.
They may not work in your situation but here they are:
1. Check your reader several times a day
2. Get more disk space (probably the least helpful suggestion).
3. Check with the computer center or friends who know more about your
local e-mail system to see if it is possible to set up a scratch disk
or define storage to provide you with more space while you are actually
reading your mail.
4. If you have access to usenet you can participate without being a
member.  Look for bit.listserv.christia

Marty Helgesen
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From:         "Darryl (The Other Brother) Johnson" <DJOHNSON@TCUCVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Feminist theology/little god movement

From: Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
I have a question.  Many Christian authors have stated that psychology is
itself a religion, particularly Jungian psychology.  Do you agree with this
position?  If so, would you say that you would accept the principles of
psychology over those of Christianity if they conflicted, or vice-versa?
If not, could you explain why not?  Just wondering.  Thanks.
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Sorry it took so long to reply to this.  I stuck it in a notearea,
as it seemed like it could wait a day or two.

I don't believe that any form of psychology is a religion, because
they don't postulate the existence of a Supreme Being.  To me, if
a belief structure doesn't have a Supreme Being/Creator, then it is
not a religion, but a philosophy.

Some types of psychology conflict with some aspects of Christianity.
As to which I would accept, it would depend on which two principles
were being compared.  While Rogerian psychology might tell me that
all humans are essentially good, I wouldn't accept that.
Psychology often conflicts with the way organized religions INTERPRET
God's Word, not God's Word itself.  Some religions seem to LOVE the
concept of guilt as a good thing.  I don't believe it is, as many
forms of psychology would agree.

While many psychologists are athiests, it is not a requirement of
the field! :-)  Many great scientists and psychologists have been
Christians.

As for Jungian psychology, I don't believe it is a religion, but it
COULD be a philosophy.  It is a very poor type of psychology, and
it has little practical value.  It contains some interesting ideas
though, as with almost every psychological theory.  Jungian theory
is more radical, and thus more interesting, than most.

I could recommend a textbook that summarizes the major theories
of personality/psychology, if you wish.  But the title and
author escapes me (it's on my bookshelf at school).  Let me know
if you want it, and I will send the reference along.  It is a very
good beginning primer.

Hope this helps,
Darryl at TCU
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From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Easter Nomail

I am about to set Christia NOMAIL because I am flying to Minneapolis
tomorrow afternoon.  I hope to be back next week.  I wish everyone
a blessed and happy Easter.  (I probably will post a few items early
tomorrow morning.)

Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:29:54 EDT
From:         MKLINE%VDH.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      ACLJ & CASE

Subject: ACLJ & CASE


Someone once asked about if and where people were being
persecuted for their religious freedom. This talks about that
and has an announcement for the American Center for Law and Justice.

9 year old Louanne Fulbright wanted to do a book "Jesus When He
Was Young" as a school project. She was denied. Her parents,
they mentioned her mother name, Rhonda, went to the principal and
the finally "gave in" said she could do the report, but said the
book could NOT be judged with the other reports. If she wanted to
be part of the "contest", she would have to write 2 reports. She
was also told her report would not be displayed with the rest of
the reports.

Jay Sekulow from CASE (Christian Advocates Serving Evangelism)
Chief Council, got involved and wrote a letter to the school
threatening to sue if the school didn't uphold Louanne's rights
and/or Freedom of Speech. The school relented and the report now
hangs on the wall of the school with the rest of them.

The school was the LR Bebensee Elementary School. "The only reason
Louanne's book report was allowed to be submitted was because
of the threat of litigation." Jay went on to say that this should
send a message that the students do have rights and we're not going
to take it anymore.

Keith ??? from American Center for Law and Justice asked Pat to
make this announcement.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to announce that as of today,
Jay Sekulow, who is one of the most brilliant and successful
constitutional attorneys in America has joined the American Center
of Law and Justice as the General Council. Wonderful!"

Pat said they were joining with other groups to make a large group
of Christian attorneys to fight for Christian rights. They started
in about 1982 getting involved fighting against the ACLU, who Pat
says has an agenda against religious liberty.

They are offering a pamphlet "Religion And The Public School Student"
to anyone who writes. The address is "American Center For Law and
Justice; PO Box 64429; Virginia Beach, VA  23467" They also have a
phone number, 1-800-296-4592.

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From: djk55497@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (DJ the Social Guy!)
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:36:47 GMT

Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> I did occur to me that it
>would be easy to add a Resurrection scene, especially if there was
>no dialogue.  It could be done with a physical appearance of the actor
>who played Jesus with triumphant music and special bright lighting, or
>something like that.

>Marty Helgesen

The one that we just did this past weekend, me and three others carried Jesus
from the cross to out the back doors.  Then we carried a casket type thing
back up to the stage and placed it in a tomb.  Then two girls entered the
tomb and came out with the empty shroud.  Then we all cheered, sang "Prepare
Ye the Way of the Lord" at a fast pace and danced.  The last image was Jesus
dressed in white robes with all lighting directed toward him.  He stood at the
back of the audience and the cast pointed back to him.  No dialogue was used 
or necessary.  Then we broke out into "Day by Day" and did bows.  I can't
imagine doing the play without the Resurrection, but that's just me!!!

	DJ
		the Social Guy

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:10:51 CST
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Subject:      prayers
X-To:         CHRISTIA@ASUACAD.

I have something to share that I think is strange.
About 2 weeks ago, I was making out a prayer list. Suddenly I
was convicted strongly to put -- of all people -- Isaac Asimov,
a devout atheist, on the list. So I did, and after I prayed
about three times for him, I heard on the news that he died.
   It really made me wonder.


Kim
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:59:13 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Pro Choice Rally in DC.

Dan:

PS:  I came across this list quite accidentally.  Is there a pagan /
wiccan / whatever list as well?  I have no access to these lists of
lists everybody seems to be familiar with.  Can you help?  Thanks,
                                                Love and Peace,
                                                                ---Kerry
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Date:         Fri, 3 Apr 1992 22:36:00 GMT
From:         HANNANT@JII.AFRC.AC.UK
Subject:      Peace

Father, I pray for peace.  Peace in everyones hearts and peace on this
planet.  Let us learn to set aside our daily lives and let your sons
peace come upon us.  Help us to show others your peace in our lives so that
they to may share this blessing.  In Jesus's name who made true peace
possible, amen.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:47:18 EDT
From:         Andrew Brennan <BRENNAAA@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Media and How do you know?

      I recently had a class that the question was asked "How many
   of you believe all of what you read in the paper, etc?" and no
   hands went up.

      At 50%, most of the hands went up.  The prof then asked
   "Well, how do you know which half to believe?"

      Whatever you already believe, you will probably read into
   what you read ...

      andrew.  (brennaaa@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:45:00 EDT
From:         The List Minor <VCHAI@SMITH.BITNET>
Subject:      Televangelists

Allen writes:
>  When preacing to my nonChristian friends, I always have to face the
>question about the famous ministsers Baker and Swager.  Some of them
>did watch their program on TV and was finally very surprised at the
>things they do.  Some of them then conclude that preaching is only a
>cheating.  Can anyone help me to answer these questions?

  I don't think it's for us to judge whether these people have
  actually received a *calling* from God or not.  It's possible
  that they actually did, but was too tempted to sin (in various
  ways); or they had actually set out to deceive people.  But
  whatever it is, God, I'm sure, was still able to work through
  it.

  Answer:  Humans are fallible, and Christians are no exceptions.


  In Christ,
   Vicky
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From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Yoga & Medicine
              at Apr 7, 92 5:21 pm

Kerry,
Do you know who distributes the film "Gods of the New Age"? (or the video)
What do you think of it? (I saw part of it, some years ago--my memory is
faulty)

Carol Slingo
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:31:00 EDT
From:         Jeff Shirton <SHIRTON@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Kenny Marks

Dear CHRISTIAns,

I need some friendly advice from those of you who have an appreciation for
good Christian music.

Kenny Marks is coming to my church for a concert this month, and for the
modest price of $8 I have a chance to see him and hear him perform.  The
problem is, I've no idea what his music is like, as I've never heard him
before.

I haven't listened to many Christian artists, but I've heard and really
enjoy Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, Scott Wesley Brown, 2nd Chapter of Acts,
and Randy Stonehill.

So my question is, should I go see him, or is this an opportunity that I'll
regret for the rest of my life if I don't go?

BTW, MIKE WARNKE is also coming to town in a couple of months, and I'm
_definitely_ going to see him!  The funniest Christian humourist I've ever
heard!  If anyone has a chance to go seem him perform, I _strongly_ urge
him to go!

In Christ,
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:34:00 EDT
From:         Jeff Shirton <SHIRTON@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Safe Sex #2

Darryl,

> The probability of getting AIDS if you sleep with someone you
> KNOW has AIDS, without any protection, is 1 in 500.  So you would
> have to sleep with that person 250 times (!) to reach 50/50 odds.

A similar answer to this type of "statistic", is that if there's a one in
500 chance, then I'll only have sex 499 times!  :-)

The flaw, of course, is that you are just as likely to get AIDS the _first_
time as you are to get it the 500th time, and as likely as any other time.

It still boils down to a form of "Russian roulette".

> WITH protection AND the fact that the person is almost certainly
> NOT infected (less than 1% chance), we approach Lotto odds.

Again, the problem is that people are "winning" the Lotto every week!
Personally, I'd rather not win this "Lotto", nor see anyone else "win"
it.

In Christ,
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:49:31 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Safe Sex #2

Darryl:
I do not understand your defense of deliberately engaging in activities
known to result in the contraction of the AIDS virus.  Perhaps you have
not noticed it, though I think everyone so far has mentioned it.  Let me
put it as simply as I can.  Contracting AIDS results in death.  It does
not merely have a high fatality rate, like lung cancer attributable to
smoking or driving too fast while under the influence of mind-altering
drugs.  It means you die.  You die slow, but you die early.  You die
painful and you die expensive.  You don't even actually die from the
AIDS virus itself.  You die from something stupid.  Something like
pneumonia.  Something like a bronchial infection.  Something like
diarrhea.  You die.  Your family suffers.  Your finances are destroyed.
Your job ends.  Your sex life (if you have any ethics whatsoever--and,
before long, even if you do not) ends.  Forever.
   "Safe" sex is not safe, if the person you are with is infected.  Using a
condom to protect yourself from AIDS is like closing your eyes at ground
zero to protect yourself from the blast.  If the bomb goes off, you die.
If it doesn't, what was the point?  Duck and cover wouldn't have stopped
the buildings from collapsing if the Soviets had really dropped a bomb in
the 1950s, and using a condom won't stop your life from collapsing if you
get caught on the wrong side of the odds and get AIDS.
  Let me put it this way:  Most bullets fired from guns do not end up
lodged in the brain of a human being, but no human being in his or her
right mind is going to lean into the path of a bullet on the strength of
that fact.
               Love INC,
                        ---Kerry
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Water Baptism
              12 Apr 1992 13:55:27 EST from <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>

Ian:
Thanks for the response, but one thing puzzles me:  did I ask about
priests?  I don't recall doing so, and it's a question that did not
occur to me!  (Something weird is going on here; must have been that
thunderstorm.)
              Love INC,
                       ---Kerry
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