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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:10:30 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (57)
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On Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:31:33 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> it again.  Too bad Akio's tape isn't easily searchable.  We could pull up
> some of the old discussion.  It has also been discussed at great length

How big are the archives in total?  My machine will be on the net fairly
regularly in about 6 weeks...

G
PS Is the answer you give for compressed files or not?
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:42:54 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Strange
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> Something has changed...don't know if it is here or at UGA...but I no
> longer get any confirmation of notes posted...or of incoming mail.

By "confirmation of notes posted" are you talking about the ack feature?
I turned that off as the list default long, long ago, but you might have
set it to on for your subscription.

> Is this just here or everywhere?....Natalie?

Sounds like there to me -- especially the part about incoming mail.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:50:26 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration
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>
> The attempts I have made to alter my pronunciation have been flops too. But
> I just think that if I try hard enough, I might manage.

Well, let me know how you do, it'd be interesting to see if it works.  And good
luck in the endeavour.

> YOU don't fill out that test, by the way.
> tushar

Oh, was I supposed to?  I don't aspirate anywhere, right? :-)

rashmi
(rashmi@coe.drexel.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:59:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
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Subject:      Snow tails

bwp reminisces on bandlinghood:

    >I remember, when I was a little kid, walking barefoot uphill
    >through 10 miles of waist deep snow to get to school.

Ah, but think of the fun you had coming down once you got to the top.
And, another year or two in that Texas sun is bound to thaw that
frosty exterior.....so, chill out, snowette. At least you had schools.
And feet.  You had it easy!

Jim (who walks 15 miles uphill thru snow both ways everyday) Thomas
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:45:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: FTP???
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thanks dan.... we'll see if that is <enough>.... probably not...
I'll be back.
--ggs
p.s. you folks are really helpful :-)
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From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: You are NEVER safe
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>I got a hunting-goods catalog for some unfathomable reason once, and I like
>to puked.  Those people are *sick*!

I saw a catalog for soldier of fortune type stuff the other day...you know, the
usual starlight goggles, laser rifle scopes, and camouflaged *anything*. And
Oliver North was pictured modeling the latest flak jackets and bulletproof
vests. No kidding. So, Marty, you may have your chuckle: from constitutional
ruffian to fashion plate in 5 short years.

-abh
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 13:51:00 MST
From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
 <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: NIMROD

>What is the origin of the word NIMROD as an insult meaning
>stupid, moron, fool?  did this piece of derogatory sland
>originate from some biblical king?
>was the king a fool or has sometype of meaning inversion
>arisen?

-c

Well, that's a new one on me, c.  Last I heard, Noah's great-grandson was still
a synonym for a hunter, or by extrapolation any "outdooorsman"...  In what
context was it used?

John "I'm glad I'm indoors and not in Florida, we have one of our own" W.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:22:26 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration

>Try to tell your average native speaker that the p in spin is not at all
>the same sound as the p in pin.  It's a hard sell!
>
>Tony H.

You are telling me? A friend (Patrick) wanted to know the Devanagari alphabet
and refused to admit that /k/ and /kh/ were different sounds. His conclusion
was that Devanagari did not have a one-to-one correspondence with "sounds".

The tendency is so strong that most native English speakers around here hear
an unaspirated stop as VOICED. Initially I had a very hard time saying "Harper"
(the street on which I live). Everyone heard it as Harbour. Now I have learned
to aspirate, but it doesn't come naturally.

And now a question which might have no bearing on this: How many of you
aspirate the "bh" in "abhor"? Is it less aspirated than the /p/ in "apall"?

tushar
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:25:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (57)

    >Isn't the fact that sexual intercourse involves the man
    >penetrating the woman the source of much of the perception of
    >pornography as necessarily demeaning to women?  And of the
    >pervasive imagery of sex-as-violence in everyday vulgar speech?
    >How can you ever get away from the implication that sexual
    >intercourse *is* characterized by male aggressiveness, whether
    >one likes the implications or not?  the Enquirer wants to know.

The attacks on "pornography" are often confused, lumping Playboy and
snuff films (as two extremes) in the same bag. The core of the
criticism focuses on women as passive objects for male fantasies. In
our society, males tend to be the supplicants in intercourse-related
interactions, marking males as the "aggressor." but there's a
difference between "hustling for sex" (eg, pick-up bars) and the act
itself. Dworkin has written that she sees the act itself as inately
violent, and she seems not to make a distinction between mutually
consensual good sex (which seems, for her, to be an oxymoron) and the
more predatory kind.

    >>Andrea Dworkin, who sees the sex act itself as violence against
    >>women (metaphor of penetration/stabbling), a shrill homophobic
    >>type who defines nearly all social reality as a plot by men
    >>against women.

    >Well, no.....Dworkin is NOT homophobic, at least in the usual sense of
    >the word, being against or fearing homosexuals.....if you take homo to
    >mean "men" [in the non-"mankind"] sense, then yes.....but not the
    >usual meaning.  Maybe you mean male-phobic or androphobic or
    > soemthing else.

"Homophobic" is often used to mean a fear of homosexuals, but more
broadly it means fear/antipathy toward males/masculinity.
To my knowledge, Dworkin has never been critical of gays (she's
reputedly a lesbian), but her anger toward males in bother her
writings and her talks exceeds simply a critique of gender roles or
behavior. Her stance strikes me as borderline pathological.
But, if the term itself is troublesome, "male-phobic" is fine.
What's the antonym for "misogynist?"

Jim (Who's about to start Dworkin's novel) Thomas
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:44:28 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (57)
              31 Aug 1992 17:41:00 EDT from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:41:00 EDT Gilbert Smith said:

>This reminds me of something that I have wanted to ask, knowing that
>somebody out there would know the answer....  Who recorded the
>popular version of that wonderful song _Love Potion Number 9_?

The Nylons did a pretty good version.  Doesn't sound like the one
you are thinking of though.

Tony H.
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:41:34 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: TUSHAR
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>TS is back. I found out on Friday just before leaving for New

Hi, Tushar!

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:59:12 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Public vs. Private Schools
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              2 Sep 1992 22:05:36 -0500 from <harwood@TENET.EDU>

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:05:36 -0500 Nancy Harwood said:
>Strongly as I still believe in public education (I have 17 years invested
>in it, after all), I can see both sides of the issue all too clearly.  I
>certainly don't know the answer...but I wish *somebody* did.

interesting....and maybe sorta related....in a small Idaho town a school
principal has been reassigned to teach first grade (for which he is
qualified) from the principalship because he refused to sign a letter to
the board that he would keep his children in the public schools instead
of home-schooling them.  There are LOTS of home schoolers in Idaho, mostly
for religious reasons.  The board saw his action as a slap in the face
to the public school he was administering....he saw it as sticking to
his God-given right to educate his children in the home.  The kids are
in the public school he teaches in.  He is suing the board over the
demotion.  Probably a lose-lose situation for all concerned.

dan, in VERY smoky potatoland
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 10:57:52 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Was gonna watch a movie
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              92 9:11 pm

> I was gonna watch a Truffaut flick, read the Brothers K again,
> and here *I* am fiddling away.

	Oh, I re-read that recently.  Have you got the newest
translation?  It's fantastic.


> Rita--when you read this--it is apparent that you do, in fact,
> have a life.  It is apparent that Natalie and I do not.  Or maybe
> I should only speak for myself.

	Harumph.  Well, I'm leaving the new kitten (who slept on
the top of my head all night) to her own devices today because
I am heading off to babysit The Peanut (Niki).*

Rita
*As always, not to be confused with having a life.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:37:00 MST
From:         BZ <TSBZALESKI@CC.WEBER.EDU>
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 >>7Tushar!! Your're back.

 >This is what worries me. I have been posting like nobody's business, but
 >very few of them have showed up.

 >If you are forced to read a clump of outdated postings from me later on,
 >don't blame me. Delete and forget.

 >tushar

We will *never* delete and forget you, Tushar!  You are too interesting.

Betty Z
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:53:38 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      re: signs of the times
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>>My favorite company name, which I ran across while I lived in Denver,
>>was:  Ridge Erection Co.
>
>There was one in New Brunswick, NJ a few years ago, during the
>rebuilding project on the downtown area: a construction company
>that announced itself as doing "STEEL ERECTIONS."  Lot of really
>excited construction workers, I guess....
>
>Ken
Not just New Jersey.

Heading in the Providence Yellow Pages: Steel Erectors. Includes
"Iroquois Steel Erection Co Inc, Warwick, RI; Koury Steel Erection
Inc, Warwick, RI; Southern New England Steel Erection Inc, Chepachet,
RI.

love, judith
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: I am not afraid of words-l!
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 04:10:10 GMT
Organization: Karsten's Bit Bucket
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Hmm.  If Richh decides he likes words-l we're in for
some interesting times.

--karsten

(Now was that "Richh" richh or "Saltgirl" richh?)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:47:21 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings Ooops
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              1 Sep 1992 19:29:17 EDT from <EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:29:17 EDT <EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU> said:
>Karen
>who is occasionally in need of a <sinclair> station, and now knows
>where to go...do you just say "fill me up?"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Yes, but only if it is a full service station.....

unfortunately, most of them are self service these days....must be part of
the safe sex campaign

dan
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:42:56 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Ubi Sunt?

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Where is silvia who is she?
Is her last name Calabash, by any chance?
--
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
-----------------------------------------------------
Nah, she's with Jimmy.
JAG
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:52:27 GMT

In article <WORDS-L%92083015025074@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) writes:
 
>> not the way i remember words-l.  you must be a newbie!
 
>This boggles the mind....  *doris* as a newbie is as outrageous
>an image as *-abh* as a wierdo-pinko liberal.  *Somebody* has a
>lot to learn.....
 
Gilbie, Doris was not a poster during the eighteen months I was (before
I got bored and decided to take a vacation) therefore she is a newbie
in my recollection.  Come to think of it, you weren't around much then
either, perchance as a lurker?
 
Where's all the familiar faces?  Did everyone else get bored too?
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:55:00 MST
From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
 <LMMCIDL%LIB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: shooting spree

Ah, me.
Marty is, as is often the case, in error.  (I'd say wrong as hell, but I'm
being nice today.  8-)   )  The closest thing to the "corporate-supported"
group to which he refers would be the National Shooting Sports Foundation,
which to my knowledge does not openly lobby.  The NRA is a GOVERNMENT-CHARTERED
association charged with ensuring that Americans don't forget that the bullet
comes out the little end.  There are purely political lobbying groups such as
the Second Amendment Foundation and the RKBA as well, counterparts of the
Coalition to Ban Handguns, et al...

John "Knife Control Means Eating Your Food Whole" W.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:30:27 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Just stuff
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On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:25:37 GMT Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 said:
>Too cumbersome to quote you, but Muffy is glad cats don't like dog meat,
>but after viewing two dogs and one cat he would like to see at least one
>animal smaller than him!

Well, if Dawn and Susanna are still writing to each other (at least I
THINK they actually started)....Susanna could send Dawn a picture of
her Chihuahua....which is definitely smaller than Muffy....having held
both of them, I know....


dan
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:22:44 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: First the phone booths, (was Re: Superman
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              04 Sep 92 10:51:27 -0700. <9209041807.AA13606@sics.se>

  Elwood says:

 >I find it equally distressing that Dagwood is going to quit his job
 >with Mr. Dithers next Monday (Labor Day), and go to work in Blondie's
 >and Tootsie's catering business.

  This has been treated as major news over here. But what is the first
name of Mr Dithers? I haven't been able to come up with the answer.

  (By the way, Dagwood is Dagobert Krikelin here, and Dithers is
Dittling.)
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>La truie is sow.  Le cochon is pig.   Bandwidth sow just doesn't
>conjure up anything close to the right sort of images in my mind.
>
>Tony H.

I said it don't hunt.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:44:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: fire and ice
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> Naja, I clean mine all the time when their on.  As far as I know, I'm still
                                       ^^^^^^^^
> alive.                               ********
>                                      !!!!!!!
> Chris

But, *look* what it has done to you!  Pssstbuzzsquwrsstttzzzzz....
Poor baby, he's never been the same after that <unfortunate accident>
with the pc and the Windex....
--ggs
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:48:17 EDT
From:         PBARFOOT%SUVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      shooting spree

 This information about Dr Fabrikant is very chilling. My first
reaction is to wonder if anyone could have stopped him. Of course
that is ridiculous, but it does lead me to think,again, about
how little I really know about any of the people I communicate
with daily. Some of you have met each other and have at least a
few more clues but, in general, this medium of e-mail is a
community built on the written word alone. How many people are
hiding behind a personna ? It is certainly true that meeting
people face to face is no guarantee that they are not playing
a role or hiding information that would reveal their dangerous
natures. A few years ago, my landlord killed his doctor and
then himself. I had him figured as a gentle, even tempered
guy. I guess I'm rambling a bit, but I do find myself wondering
what the implications are for a community built on relatively
immediate communication by the written word alone.

                                                   Br Paul
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:17:09 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration
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I haven't forgotten that I promised early this morning to aspirate later
today.  It's been a long day.  I'm not sure I have enough breath left
for proper aspiration.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:54:51 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: writing (correction)
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> >I say go for another Alliterative Revival.  Find an f-word for
> >"glittering" in "glittering future forever foregone if funding...."
> >I can also think of more f-words for what comes after that part.
> God, are you serious?
> Don't ever do that.

Don't ever do what?  Start another Alliterative Revival?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Snuff Films
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>On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:58:24 EDT, "jcs" <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU> wrote:
>> jenna "college co-ed once again"

>*Zaftig* college co-ed surely?  It's traditional...

>G (who has only ever seen the word Zaftig before 'co-ed' and a certain
>brand of German cigarettes.)

	Must mean something different in German than Yiddish, Graham.  Where do
	you read about zaftig co-eds?

	I doubt that Jenna would be thrilled to be called 'plump,' particularly
	since she isn't.  Though the Yiddish term *does* carry a Rubens-esque
	connotation of 'pleasingly plump.'

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:36:14 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Subject Header (was Re: Note to Bernard)
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> > Gad, but you are a pompous boor.
> > //anne//
>
> I feel compelled to change this subject header.
>                         o/.\____/
>          -- Bernard      \______|
>                          / \  / \

Bernard, you gave me a good laugh.  Thanks.  Here's a doggie biscuit.
Doris
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>Don't worry, giggles.  So far, his postings have had a consistent theme:
>he finds the list boring.  Probably he has left again by now.

Boring people are frequently bored.

-abh
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