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From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Re: Skunked!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:52:28 GMT

In article <Bt79Dx.9u9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) writes:
>
>Once I was fishing for trout with corn and watched a school of them
>swimming around just looking it my corn for a long while.  Finally,
>I got bored and decided to just throw in all the corn I had to feed
>them.  I took a handful from the can I had and tossed it in and they
>went into a freeding frenzy gobbling every last bit.  Gee, this looks
>promissing I thought, and put some corn back on my hook, dropped it in
>and then tossed in another handful of corn and had one instantly.
>
>This works so well, it's hardly sporting.  Might as well just throw
>a net over the school.

Isn't chumming illegal in just about 99% of the United States?  Why not
just buy the trout?

Now for the lighter side: I ASSUME it was a one-time experience and you
threw the fish back, right?

BD
From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: PLANO Molding Co.
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:39:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrcae.1992Aug19.203952.29212
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
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	Just wanted to drop a line to support use of PLANO fishing tackle
	boxes and accessories.  I have had a couple of instances where my
	tackle boxes were cracked (due to heavy use and maybe even abuse in
	some cases) and PLANO has always helped me out by sending me parts
	to fix up my old box.  (At no cost I might add!!)  I would highly
	recommend them from a Quality & Customer Satisfaction point of view!!
	

							FYI,

							Kevin Dailey


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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Salt Water Fishing Licenses
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:22:30 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

bingham@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (David Bingham) writes:
> 
> $17.50 and you're complaining? It's almost $30.00 for a resident license
> here in California. Thank heavens I'm moving. Not to mention how much
> close fishing will be.
> 
> David
> bingham@sr.hp.com

Where are you moving to? :-)
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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Striped Bass Fishing
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:55:09 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
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Does anyone have a clue as to inland lakes which have a striped bass
fishery which are close to Michigan (Lower Peninsula).  I saw a fishing
show on Lake Cumberland in Kentuck (about 8 hours from Ann Arbor, MI),
and the fish were fantastic, as well as the fishing.  To my knowledge,
there are no striped bass stocked in any State of Michigan waters.
I am anxious to try (Lake Cumebrland) next spring, has anyone listening
been successful in cathching these fish?
Bob Drongowski
Ann Arbor, MI
From: tomg@hpcvxph (Thomas J. Gilg)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Trout, life, & the universe
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:47:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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> ... the extent of my fly-fishing experience is panfish and the
> occasional bass, ....

Fun, aren't they.  Quite different from trout though.

> ... nymphs ...  Is the tendency for a novice to react too
> quickly or too slowly?

Depends.  I have noticed that folks (experienced too) with strike
indicators yank too quickly and too often.   Folks relying on
the Zen-of-Nymphing technique (pure feel and intuition) often
react too slowly.  I have found that if the line is slack-free
and you have a good *sharp* hook, the fish will hook itself more
often than not.

The hard-set-hook theory is required for warm water fishing to
prevent the fish from totally swallowing the hook, and to establish
a hookup in a different mouth/jaw structure.   I believe the hard-set
in trout fishing was once required because of the quality of the hooks.
With our modern hooks (eg, Tiemco), very little set is required.  A
crisp 3" set will do just as much as a lip-ripping yank.

Regarding strike indicators -vs- Zen-nymphing.  Strike indicators can
be a good thing, but too many people become focused on the strike
indicator itself, and forget what their nymph 6-10 feet away is doing.
They also yank at every twitch, disrupting the path of the nymph
through the entire drift, and possibly spooking fish.   With strike
indicators, think about nymph location, try to keep a tight line
all the way to the nymph, and don't overreact.

> It seemed to me I was reacting too slowly, but I know from other
> fishing (like top water bass), that the tendency is actually to
> be too fast.

Top water or below water, your touch is correct for warm water
fish - they nibble, then inhale for a bit (the time to set),
then spit or swallow.   We use this fact to selectively catch
the larger smallmouth bass in the Umpqua river around here.

> 2) Please, Please, PLEASE tell me how you are able to watch these
>    tiny dry flies and not lose sight of them.

Certainly if the fly has a built in visible-indicator like a fluff
of white material tied parachute, inner-wing or trude style, it helps.

Beyond that, consider your angle and the sun's angle on the water.
Crouching down often helps, and finding the non-sun-glare portion
of the water help.  Beyond that, watch the tip of your fly line
or depend on knowing where your fly might be and set if a rise occurs
in the area.

Have fun,

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: Not so hungry fish
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:43:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.134946.9988@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, behrooz@cps.msu.edu () writes:
> 
> Hi all,
>   Last weekend I went to White Lake area (North of Muskegan in Michigan)
>   The channel connecting the White Lake to Lake Michigan was full of
>   fish. We could see fish as big as 3 feet in the channel and in shallow
>   waters on the beach.  But it seemed they were not hungry at all, We
>   tried all kinds of bait, (live and plastic) with no luck.  We could
>   even have the bait touch the fish, but the fish would turn back and go
>   the other way.  There were other people on the channel as well, trying
>   to fish with little luck.  We tried fishing from 9am till 3:30 with
>   absolutely no luck.
> 
>   Now the question for all you experienced anglers:  What do you think
>   was wrong?  Was it the season? time of day? the baits? maybe I
>   should've gone swiming instead.
> 
> yours,
>   Roozbeh

     Two things spring to mind.
1] I think the fish feed more earlier in the morning or later at night
and;
2] Do you smoke? I've heard a lot about the fact that fish can "smell"
cigarette smoke and other such things on the bait after one has handled
the bait.  Best to dip your hand in the water before putting anything
on the line.

- Dave
- imprint doesn't fish

> 
> 


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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Colorado Fishing All Tied up in Nylon!
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:25:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Aug13.024423.6740@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> gauss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GAUSS  REBECCA BANKER) writes:
>
>If nylon is
>deposited by fishermen at the same rate just how many more years before
>those nice mountain lakes are one big nylon tangle?

Never fear.  The lakes' nylon content is in equilibrium due to fisherman
who snag and pull it out, leaving it on the bank for the birds to get
tangled in.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: wesm@mbunix.mitre.org (Miller)
Subject: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:21:02 GMT

	Since the topic has been brought up, how many types of bluegill, etc
are there? I know when I catch 'em....and they seem to attack anything around
here, some have redish bellies, some orange, some white... None of my fishing
books goes into any differences. Are they all the same species or what?

					Wes Miller
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Colorado Fishing All Tied up in Nylon!
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:37:33 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
> 
.....Stuff Deleted..........

> 
> Also, who gives these fishing reports? These are definitely overexaggerated,
> at least for the lakes and reservoirs. However, for the rivers, the fishing
> seems to be rather good, as can be seen by the occasional report given on
> this newsgroup for the Spinney Mt area. I have also seen good stringers
> from Poudre River, and will start fishing there now.

A good day fishing is any day where you can get fishing in my eyes.  But,
we generally don't call a day really good unless we catch a few fish.  
Catching a few fish is normal for any trip we take, Last weekend was the 
first time that Bryan (fishing buddy) was skunked in the last 13 weeks.
I did land 4 nice fish all over 19" and it was a great trip.  Sometimes
quanity and size are less important than just getting out there since 
we do not keep any fish.  To have one large fish strip line halfway down 
a river is enough to make a great day.

As for the reservoirs, they slow down this time of year.  But earlier in 
the year I had times where my arm hurt from landing so many fish.  One 
saturday I remember I landed 13 trout larger than 18" and lost 8 others
in 5 hours.  That was on Spinney Mtn. reservoir during a great Calabaetis 
hatch.

> 
> Hence, I follow up with this question: do lakes and reservoirs offer
> generally slow fishing (though they can be good sporadically) while rivers
> tend to be more consistent "fish-producers for trout? Just curious, because
> I want to get in on this great trout fishing I hear about but so far have 
> missed.....

Lately with all the changing water levels fishing has been a bit slower 
than usual.  The bests bets for now are: South Platte around Deckers
( some good Caddis hatches and late evening Trico hatches),
South Platte between Spinney and Elevenmile (great Trico hatches), 
Antero reservoir (good browns - Green Damsel sometimes Calabaetis),
and Spinney (slow last weekend... 1 fish over 20" - woolly bugger).

If you find yourself up by the springs give Bryan Call, Brian Dixon, or
I a buzz and we can show you some good spots.  We go every weekend.

Dave
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From: raf50@JUTS.amail.amdahl.com (Richard A Frankel)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Dry fly indicators?
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:02:01 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.
In-reply-to: C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz's message of 21 Aug 92 23:56:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.235609.27938@massey.ac.nz> C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz (C.K. Black) writes:

>   I have heard of, but haven't tried, using a dry fly and unweighted nymph
>   combo where the dry acts as a indicator for the nymph and is a possible
>   target for the trout in its' own right.  Has anyone used this method
>   and if so have you any tips on the size of the dry needed and length
>   of trace to the nymph that is practical/possible to cast?

I have used this technique. It works well but has the usual problems
associated with fishing droppers (fouled leaders,etc.)

The drys I have used successfully are largish (14s?) attractors (parachutes
and wulffs) The dry needs to be sturdy, a high floater and easy to
see, which is why wulffs work so well.

I tend to fish with 7.5 - 9' leaders for nymphs. Long leaders and
droppers are a hassle. Also, use a stiffer mono to attach the dropper.
This causes less tangles.

Tight lines,
rick
--
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From: steveo@magstim.njit.edu (Steven Olivieri)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: New Fly Fishing Club in Central Massachusetts
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:25:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.




Jim,

Although I now live in NJ, I was raised and lived in Shrewsbury, MA for about
25 years.  I go home often to visit my parents on the weekends.  I am very
interested in hearing more about the club for Fly Fishers.  Could you please 
forward an address, etc.

Thanks,

Steve Olivieri
sao8947@magstim.njit.edu
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From: dbrenner@convex.com (Dan Brenner)
Subject: Re: Colorado Fishing All Tied up in Nylon!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:31:05 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <364@evtprp0b.UUCP> mrt7455@evtprp0b.UUCP (Michael R Tucker) writes:
>
>I decided this summer that when my kids and I tangle our lines that I
>would pocket the stuff I cut out and deposit it in the trash when the
>day was over.  I have even take to picking up the wads some
>inconsiderate jerk left around.  My kids are getting into the habit
>too.  I hope it sticks with them.
>
I also keep/collect line when I am out. But I don't throw it away.
Many fishing shops have recycling boxes, that's where I drop it.

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From: shelley@b30!b11.ingr.com (Shelley Read Heard)
Subject: Re: Rod cases
Reply-To: shelley@heard.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:05:38 GMT

When I bought an Orvis "Green Mt." outfit a while back, it came with a hard
plastic triangular (cross-section) rod tube.  What I like about it is that it 
will not roll around.  I wonder where one could find the raw materials to 
make these inexpensively?

Shelley
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Organization: American Math. Society
	<Aug19.213800.28756@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	<1992Aug20.145928.26753@ncsu.edu>
	<Aug20.191338.50691@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:29:17 GMT


Ok, here is a mostly-right list of the sunfish family:

Bluegill - Lepomis macrochirus - Look for blue or black flap on gill
           cover, with no red on gill cover.  The body color varies 
           from light to dark green.  The belly is lighter and may
           verge on yellow.  It is usually possible to distinguish 6
           vertical bars on each side.  The mouth is very small and 
           the back fin is very high.

Common Sunfish - Lepomis gibbosus - Also called the "pumpkinseed", it
                 has a copper-red belly, and a red-orange spot on the 
                 gill flap.  Often there are wavy bars on the side of
                 the head, and cheeks striped with blue and orange.

Green Sunfish - Lepomis cyanellus - Olive-green and rather dull in color.
                Scales flecked with yellow.  Gill flap short and black.
                It seldom exceeds five inches.


Longear Sunfish - Lepomis megalois - Look for a long gill flap, bordered
                  with a thin band of red (not a red spot as on the 
                  pumpkinseed).  


Other members of the family are black and white crappie, warmouth bass,
rock bass, pygmy sunfish, and smallmouth and largemouth black bass.

White bass do not belong to the sunfish family, but to the bass family.

Happy filleting!
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From: tomg@hpcvxph (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Tipping your guide
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:20:29 GMT

> They don't really want gifts of fishing items, since they usually have
> too much already.

True most of the time.  Brian O'Keefe (outdoor writer, fisherman) did
mention however that he often carries fill-in gifts just in case. He
mentioned the usefulness of having gift polarized glasses for bonefish/tarpon
guides who either don't own a pair or often have old scratched ones.  They
appreciate the gift, and he gets a better prepared guide.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

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From: kenf@siksika.slip.uiuc.edu (Ken Fortenberry)
Subject: Re: Tipping your guide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:09:38 GMT

In article <92Aug12.212220.34784@acs.ucalgary.ca> powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim  
B. Powlesland) writes:
> 
> Excuse me, but by "guide" do you mean the person you've already
> paid money to to take you fishing or the person HIRED by the
> person you've already paid money to to take you fishing?
> 
Good question, Jim. I called four places around Yellowstone looking
for a full day guided fishing trip. I need someone to pick me up at
the Lake Hotel, take me fishing, then bring me back to Lake Hotel
so my wife can have the car to do her photography thing all day.

Dan Bailey's was not willing to come to Yellowstone, I would have to
go to Livingston, Montana (~60 miles). They did recommend another
place in Gardiner so I called him. He was willing to meet me in the
park but made it clear that he would prefer to meet me at his fly
shop.

I called Avon Outfitters and he (Robin Cunningham) had no problem
with my requirements. I said, "sounds good, I'll call you back."
A friend on campus had recommended George Anderson's so I called
them. They said the standard charge was $225 but since the guide 
had to drive into Yellowstone I might have to pay mileage. The guy
wasn't the main man in charge of guided trips but he said he could
write everything down and send me a brochure. I said, "fine send me
a brochure."

Well, Dan Bailey's wouldn't do it, the guy in Gardiner wanted $200
but didn't sound right and George Anderson's wanted $225 plus. I
called back to Robin Cunningham's 800 number and we talked fishing
for a half hour or so. He sounds OK, wants $200, so the deal is struck.

Next day, thinking to be a "nice guy", I call back to George Anderson's
to say don't bother sending the brochure, I've hired Robin Cunningham.
Well, this time I do get the guy in charge of guided trips and he says
"I've got a problem with this because we've already started reserving
a guide's time for you and besides Robin Cunningham is one of our guides."
Sheesh..... Then I get the grilling, who told you about Robin, how did
you know to call him ? I replied that he had an ad in the September
_Fly Fisherman_. What I didn't say, but wish I had, was that the Avon
Outfitter ad was directly above the George Anderson's ad.

So, that's made a short story long. I'm going fishing with a guide for
the first time ever on September 7th (Labor Day), probably on Slough
Creek in Yellowstone National Park. To answer the question posed by 
Jim, the guide I've hired is BOTH his own boss and hired by someone
else on occasion. In this case, he is his own boss, so I've made
dinner reservations for three at the Lake Hotel. If the fishing is 
poor, dinner only, fishing's great, dinner and a tip. If he were
working for George Anderson's he'd probably get a bigger tip than
he would working for himself.

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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: Surf Rod Casting Distance?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:23:55 GMT

plh@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.023641.2478@intelhf.hf.intel.com>, labelle@intelhf.hf.intel.com (George La Belle) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	The tricks in long distance casting are; 1) large open face reel
>|> 	with low drag. 2) light line with a heavy "shock leader" 3) Long

>I am not a surf fisherman (yet) but I always thought that revolving 
>spool (baitcasting) reels were the ticket to long casts in the surf. 
>The line friction for 17#test going over the spool lip of a spinning 
>reel must be tremendous.

>Anyone care to educate me?

	I fish where it is absolutely necessary to cast a one ounce spoon
	75 yards in the air.  None of the people who fish there use a
	spinning reel.  It's the line slap of the coils hitting the
	guides, particularly the first guide that holds back the cast.
	This is particularly true with heavier line.  The long cast
	designs have helped two other problems to some extent with
	better shaped/coated front lips on the spool, and allowing
	more line to come off for each layer.  The main problem
	still is the line slap.  Also, the momentum of the revolving
	helps in the later stages of the cast with a bait casting reel.
	-Roger

>		-Pat.

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From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Fishin' Extravagance
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:27:39 GMT

In article <BsvLp7.Kx2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
|> >place where conditions are more favorable to fishing.
|> 
|> 	If you want to fish larger lakes efficiently, you do need a boat and
|> 	modern bass boats are highly efficent comfortable machines.  However,
|> 	if someone gave me one, I'd sell it and use the money for something
|> 	more useful.  Here's why.  First of all, I own three boats, all
|> 	used and bought for peanuts and specifically adapted for particular
|> 	circumstances.  However, I seldom use any of them.

'Tell you what Roger, I'll come and haul some of those useless decaying 
eyesore nautical hulks out of your front yard FREE OF CHARGE!!!


		-Pat.