HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: marc@hemlock.cray.com (Marc Bouron)
Subject: Re: Is FontGDOS widely available yet?
Originator: marc@hemlock
Keywords: Font,GDOS
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:54:33 CDT


In article <1992Sep7.205037.1449@actrix.gen.nz>, Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.123959.7379@ac.dal.ca> cordes@ac.dal.ca writes:
> > 
> >  Has the issue of the public availability of the FontGDOS released by Atari 
> > to GENie been resolved? In particular, I'm wondering if anyone got 
> > 'official' clearance from Atari to post the complete package, including the 
> > required new printer drivers, to BBS's, etc.
> > 
> > John Cordes
> 
> I'd like to get a copy of FONT-GDOS myself, but not having access to
> GEnIe (Or CIS, or DELPHI etc.) I can't get a copy!
> 
> -- 
>         Wells_S@Kosmos.WCC.Govt.NZ     /     Steven.Wells@BBS.Actrix.Gen.NZ 
>                    $$$$$$$$ Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre $$$$$$$$

It's at atari.archive in /atari/new/fontgdos.lzh.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 19:00:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.050140.20906@athena.cs.uga.edu> kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:
>In article <267@artech.UUCP> clint@artech.UUCP (Clinton Keith) writes:
>>
>>Darek has a vested interest in seeing that as few people as possible continue to
>>buy Atari equipment.  He has produced a PC product, and he'd like to sell it
>>to as many people as he can.  Who is he going to sell this too?  People that
>>are switching over to the PC from Atari who whould still like to use some
>>of their old ST software.  If they go over to the Falcon instead of a PC, he
>>loses business. 

This shows that he has a "vested interest" in denigrating the Falcon.
The fact that he COULD be correct gets obscured by this...

>>Let the buyer beware.  If you think Atari claims and service are
>>bad, be prepared for worse with this guy.  You don't have to conduct
>>a survey to find plenty of people who have been burned by him.  He's
>>bailed on Atari.  He's sold his Quick ST software rights to Codehead,
>>and is a PC developer now.

Better that than to just run out on us!  At least he sold QST to
someone reputable - he could have dropped it just as easily.  I think
EVERYBODY won in the QST/Warp 9 changeover.

>It's a good thing he sold Quick ST to the Codeheads after screwing
>everyone over with his own last VERY buggy version.  I'd like to
>reiterate that "buyer beware" warning concerning Darek and BraSoft.
>Talk about an attitude!?  Sheesh!

I think that Darek would get a LOT further if he could sometimes just
clamp his mouth (keyboard?) shut, and say NOTHING.  Unfortunately, he
has a tendancy to try to add some "political" content to his
advertising, which tends to be self-defeating.  He's definitely a
skilled programmer (polished might be a different story).  He's
produced quite a lot of USEFUL software.  It's too bad that he keeps
shooting himself in the foot by denigrating Atari users.  I think he
missed that lesson about "If you can't say anything nice, don't say
anything at all!"

It's certainly bad for marketing!

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:17:15 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ont, London

In article <1992Sep8.230955.15392@zooid.guild.org>, Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> I have to disagree with you TOTALLY with MultiTOS and OS/2 2.0 being similar.

True. MultiTOS is a lot smaller and faster.

> as nice as OS/2 2.0? NO, it will never be. The early beta versions of 
> MultiTOS were slow, unreliable and unstable.

Gee, imagine that -- unstable beta versions of software (sarcasm alert for
the humor impaired). That's why they call it "beta" software. That's also
why it's only available right now to selected developers. (I guess you
must be one of those selected developers, huh?)

> Nothing much has really changed.

Oh, I see; you work for Atari in the software development department, so
you know exactly what the latest versions of MultiTOS look like... and,
of course, you know that the released version of MultiTOS is going to
be just like the beta versions (even though every beta version has had
a very large number of changes from the previous version?). (Another
sarcasm alert should go here, I guess.)

I'm constantly amazed at how people look at out of date, pirated copies
of early beta test software and immediately decide that the final version
is going to be just the same. And then wonder why Atari doesn't release
such software to more people...
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:13688 rec.audio:12422 sci.skeptic:16340
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca ( John Henders )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.audio,sci.skeptic
Organization:  One of these days for sure
Subject: Re: sampling and human hearing range (was Re: (none))
	<+qwn34l.payner@netcom.com>
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:07:56 -0700

In <+qwn34l.payner@netcom.com>, Rich Payne writes:
>
>DATS sample at 48KHZ so that one cannot make a direct digital copy from
>CD's to DATs. 
> 
	Then why do they also sample at 44.1? And if your conjecture was true, 
why do they have scms? And why is the Dat Tax being pushed through 
Congress? 


-- 
       John Henders      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
    I think your "evolutionary scale" needs an adjustment.  Either 
      that, or you've got your thumb on it. -> (lefty@apple.com)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cmedley@wam.umd.edu ('Flip')
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:48:13 GMT


I've pretty much made up my own mind that the Falcon is probably *my* right
choice...  So I'll throw in and answer the question someone posted and say
I'd get one.

My reasons are fairly simple...

1) My main uses for a computer are MIDI, programming and telecomm.  I'm getting
   more serious about my MIDI, but the Atari satisfies that need fine.  For
   programming, well, I can do that on anything with interesting hardware.  The
   Falcon is an inspirational machine from the specs.  As for telecomm, I'm
   not a power-user in that respect, and I can't see anything that could make
   my telecommunications existence that much easier to justify moving on to
   another platform.

2) Even though it's "just" a 16mhz '030, with so much of the machine apparently
   designed to take a load off the CPU, I think it'll satisfy my need for
   speed.

3) *IF* (big if) the machine sold well, it might prosper as well as the ST
   did from '85-'88, when it wasn't a "threat" but was a respectable machine
   to have.  For $1300, I can live with that.

4) The price of software on Ataris seems more reasonable, overall.  I've gotten
   "big" (for the price, mind you) results from my hobbyist software on the
   ST that has helped me immeasurably.  Heck, I've got a job doing X-Windows
   because I have experience with the GEM GUI on my ST.  So at least that
   helped one teenage hacker... :)


Just out of curiosity, I am wondering what the primary concerns of those who
are considering jumping to the PC/Mac, etc... platforms are?  I've noticed
that what people who jump are looking for is a large software base, with the
"options" of doing pretty much anything they want available to them.  I think
that's a pretty valid reason... but are there other considerations?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: avp@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Anthony Paul)
Subject: Re: Dungeon Master Question
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:33:58 GMT

sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 3-Sep-92 Dungeon Master
>Question Max Newman x6689@interme (397)

>> While playing DM I notice that every so often something
>> sneaks up behind my characters and instantly kills all
>> of them. Has anyone else seen this? What is this thing?
>> How do I protect my characters from this.
>> 	P.S  I am on level 6

>> 	Max Newman      maxn@intermec.com 

>> -- 
>> uucp address:  maxn@intermec.com  or uunet!pilchuck!intermec!maxn
>> **Trust in your calling, make sure your calling is true**


>Sure I have seen this: if you wanna see that something, just
>look behind !
>Seriously: you can know when it is gonna come: the floppy
>suddenly,spins up pointless, several times. Now, you have
>to be prepared to resist the attack. cast the spell:

>	'save on disk'

>Then, when the something appears, you're unlikely to
>kill him, but he is very likely to kill you. BUT don't
>worry: there is a cure. It consists in a second spell:

>	'press reset and reboot'

>If this a bit too tricky, just try to send back your disk:
>it is generally due to a disk failure !

>	Stefan Monnier

>-----------------------------------------------------
>-- On the average, people seem to be acting normal --
>-----------------------------------------------------

I remember reading somewhere that the DM authors put in some
code to randomly start the floppy (i.e. the light comes on);
supposedly it means ABSOLUTELY nothing, and is there to scare the shit
out of you.  (I know it got me more than once in those frantic 1st
few days with DM!)

What a GREAT game! One of the best ever (along with Shamus for my 400)
(Ahhh, synapse, what a fine company they were... R.I.P.)


Anthony V. PauL             AV     VPPPP 
137 Rennies Mill Rd.       A V    V   P 
St. John's, Nf            A  V   V   P 
CanadA                   AAAAV  VPPPP
A1B 2P2                 A    V V 
                       A     VV   

avp@garfield.UUCP      || It wasn't me.           || Electrical  '9 
avp@garfield.cs.mun.ca || Boston Celtics in 92-93 || Engineering  4     
||   The best defense is a good offense. --- How do you Drive?   ||

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: usenet@atari.archive.umich.edu (Atari Archive Robot)
Subject: Weekly Posting of New Stuff
Organization: The Atari Posse @ Umich
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:02:34 GMT

  drwxrwxr-x atari	1024	Aug 30 03:02 .
From: paul@jupiter.noname (Paul Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST-RAM in a TT upgrade?
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:00:46 GMT
Reply-To: paul@jupiter.noname
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

I've got a TT with only 2 Megs of ST RAM and was wondering what a good price
for another 2M ST RAM would be (and maybe where from).  I'm sure it's cheaper
then TT RAM, which I definitely can't afford right now, and I'd also be able to
use it with Spectre.

-Thanks!

-Paul Harris
paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu

 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: atari archive in operation again
Keywords: atari archive bart umich atari posse the pope um to um
Organization: University of Michigan, Papal Fan Club
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:35:38 GMT

Hi folks:

Well, now that I'm back at school, I'll be able to get to everything
you've been uploading over the summer.  Don't fret, it's all still there.

If you've uploaded something over the summer and didn't receive a 
reply, thank you.  Please check in a week or so and make sure it made
it to newitmes.  If it didn't, please upload it again and pester me some more.

Once again, submissions are always welcome.  Please ftp them to /new 
or mail to me.

thanks.
weiner



-- 
Jeff Weiner  ------------- jweiner@umich.edu -------------- Umich atari posse
414 Erie St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55414
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Revolution in ST/Mac/PC world
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:28:39 GMT

You are not gonna believe this!
Just this night, after years of careful research, I have been able to
interbreed the species Motorola 68040 with an Intel 80486, so talking to you
right now is the proud 'father' and owner of the first Mintella 6804086 chip!!!
The first weighing and health-checking has given me a first impression of what
this newborn chip will be able to accomplish (all very preliminary - minimum
ratings):
clock upto 64 Ghz,
RAM upto 512,000 Gbyte
built in 256-ch DSP, samp.rate upto 16Mhz
True-true color: 16million^16million colors
Max. resolution: 7631876378000 x 5678318394000 pixels
256,000 native instructions
78421200 MIPS

Watch the news folks and stay tuned, soon you'll be hearing more on the 
subject.

So now it's (at last!!!) completely evident which computer to buy: since the
stock-price for this new chip is sure to be <$20 and hardly any additional
hardware is necessary to control the chip, HJV inc. will -one! month from now-
release the soon-to-be-famous H/M 6804086/64G computer -and the guaranteed
price will be -hold on, here it comes- ONLY $120!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So maybe all 'grown-ups' reading this group can *NOW* stop their childish
quarreling about which computer is best and which sells best and which has the
best software platform and which has the nicest casing and which f***s or s***s
best, because *NOW* you'll *ALL* be able to sell your dinky-toys and buy a
*REAL COMPUTER* for the price of a cheap CD-player.

And besides, it *does* get rather boring, all these threads full of people
yelling to each other. Reminds me of the days we kids were quarreling about 'my
daddy's car is bigger than your daddy's... 
Please, reading this buls**t costs me -and many others- far too much time, it
wastes tons of bandwidth, and it is very, very tiresome.
Could we please use this group for exchange of information and for -sensibly-
discussing ST-related subjects? Please.

Hendrik Jan

P.S I know *I*'m wasting bandwidth also. OK, Since I already know, don't flame
me. Flames will be sent to the eternal bit-nirvana.

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra                            hjv@phil.ruu.nl
Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
University of Utrecht                     All opinions expressed above
The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence
From: gs32+@andrew.cmu.edu (Geoffrey Spear)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.tech
Subject: Spectre GCR
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:57:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8eeCPT200VpKQP8kQJ
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	I have two  questions about Spectre GCR:

1.  Can it use AppleTalk to connect to networks?\
2. Where can I find the System software for it?

	Any help will be greatly apperciated.
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:01:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep5.050140.20906
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <267@artech.UUCP> clint@artech.UUCP (Clinton Keith) writes:
>
>Darek has a vested interest in seeing that as few people as possible continue to
>buy Atari equipment.  He has produced a PC product, and he'd like to sell it
>to as many people as he can.  Who is he going to sell this too?  People that
>are switching over to the PC from Atari who whould still like to use some
>of their old ST software.  If they go over to the Falcon instead of a PC, he
>loses business. 
>
>Let the buyer beware.  If you think Atari claims and service are bad, be prepared
>for worse with this guy.  You don't have to conduct a survey to find plenty of
>people who have been burned by him.  He's bailed on Atari.  He's sold his Quick
>ST software rights to Codehead, and is a PC developer now.


It's a good thing he sold Quick ST to the Codeheads after screwing
everyone over with his own last VERY buggy version.  I'd like to
reiterate that "buyer beware" warning concerning Darek and BraSoft.
Talk about an attitude!?  Sheesh!

Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.audio,sci.skeptic
From: bbs.ruscal@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Russel Mar)
Subject: Re: sampling and human hearing range (was Re: (none))
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:40:06 GMT

dmoran@world.std.com (david r moran) writes:

> In article <1992Sep11.173910.279@u.washington.edu> mpark@milton.u.washington.
> >In article <2250287@overmind.citadel> only_bbs!JOHN_LOCKARD@overmind.mind.or
> >...
> >> Between the sampling rates of twice the freqency and four times  
> >> the freqency of the sine-wave you get complex phase, frequency,  
> >> and amplitude distortions that aren't easy to filter out.  
> >>   
> >> That's why to get the 35KHz wave that the human ear is supposed  
> >> to detect you need at least 100KHz or more to reproduce the sound.  
> >
> >Does anyone have a reference to the [British?] research that
> >supposedly demonstrates that the ear can detect "nuances" in
> >sound up to 35kHz?  Or any research that demonstrates that the
> >conventionally-accepted human hearing range (~20Hz to ~20kHz)
> >needs to be reconsidered?
> >How about the idea that signals must be sampled at _three_ times
> >their highest frequency?
> >
> >[newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st - where this started
> >             rec.audio - surely some audiophile knows a reference
> >             sci.skeptic - to keep the audiophiles honest :^)
> >  can't decide where to followup-to...]
> >
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >Ciao-abunga!           +-------------------------------------+
> >Michael Park           | This space intentionally left blank |
> >mpark@u.washington.edu +-------------------------------------+
> 
> 
> This is all bullshit. What such people need (among other things) is
> to get an audiogram. First things first: what one can and cannot hear.
> Test self before posting. Or writing in a magazine.

=======================
Having used a Hybrid Arts (R.I.P.) ADAP sampler, I can tell you that the 
accepted minimum requirement is to sample at 2x the max. freq. you want 
to reproduce/record.  If you are baffled, look up the Nyquist Theorem;  
CD's sample at 44.1k and DAT at 48kHz for this reason also.

--
Russel Mar (bbs.ruscal@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled)
Subject: / man confusion.
Reply-To: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:11:00 +0000


    i just got myself a mono monitor and thought i'd have another crack at
manpages and some other unix-like stuff.

    i still have a load of files that i can't get to read. i can only seem
to read the man manpage, i.e man 1 man.  All the other files i have are not
in the correct format or they don't have the font information.  For example
the nroff manpage starts like this..

---------
.\" nroff(1) manpage by rosenkra@convex.com (Bill Rosenkranz, 7/22/90)
.\"
.TH NROFF 1
.SH NAME
nroff - text processor (Version 1.10)
.SH SYNOPSIS
nroff [options] file [...]
.SH DESCRIPTION
Nroff is a text processor and formatter based on the design
provided in "Software Tools" by Kernighan and Plauger.
It has been modified to closely resemble the Unix(tm) nroff command.
The text and commands found in the file(s)
---------

    So how do i keep all font/style information. i do 'nroff -man nroff'
and i get ascii ?

TIA,
    Adam.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hartlenk@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Kenneth W Hartlen)
Subject: Re: Free Commercial Software
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.161020.3894@cs.ruu.nl> avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
>
>
>New idea?
>
>
>Commercial software today is very expensive for the sole reason that
>once a couple of people have bought a program it is just copied over
>the rest of the world. My solution is this one:
>
>  Make commercial software very cheap (10 dollars or sth) and get
>funding from e.g. Pepsi. Surely on the Falcon it must be possible to
>have your word processor open with an impressive colourful flying
>bottle of 'Vidal Sassoon'? Sorry, I have to wash and go now.
>
>-- 
>________________________________________________________
>    Annius Groenink|undergraduate student
>Laan van Borgele 24|maths/computer science at the
>   7415 DJ Deventer|University of Utrecht, Holland.

Unfortunately those that pirate software will always convince themselves and
try to convince others that what they do is okay! People that pirate software
will do so no matter what the price, even $10.00. I have the game 
'Thunder Blade' which has Pepsi logos on the box and in the game but it still
cost $55.00!!!

Ken Hartlen
Technical University of Nova Scotia
Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA
hartlenk@newton.ccs.tuns.ca

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: vombruch@quando.quantum.de (Stefan vom Bruch)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:00:49 GMT

Mark Kovarski (kovarski@zooid.guild.org) wrote:
: You can configure ANYTHING in OS/2 2.0, including what you want to install.
: My swap file doesn't exceed 2 MB. You must be joking when saying, "it feels
: like a 8 mhz ST." Have you really tried it. I see NO speed decreases in OS/2
: at all. As a matter of fact, I am running it on a 486/50 MHz DX with 16MB
: RAM and ATI Graphics Ultra. It is as fast as a TT with NVDI loaded in. 

You take a 50MHz 486, give it 16MB of RAM to play with, add one of the fastest
(and most expensive) graphic boards and it's only as fast as a TT with a
software screen accelerator?!?!
As you can get the same performance out of a system that costs less than
half of what you paid, I can understand you are so upset...

: The screen redraw functions are immediately displayed with no delay at all. On
: slower machines it might be the case but not on mine. Also, it accesses the HD

You should see it on a more "average" 386/33 with 4Megs sometime. It's slower
than an 8MHz ST and that's on a machine with four times as much RAM and 
supposedly four times as fast.

Stefan

-- 
 _--_|\            Stefan vom Bruch                         vombruch@quantum.de
/      | ______________________________________________________________________
\.--._/ (_      /  Quantum GmbH, Emil-Figge-Str.83, W-4600 Dortmund 50, Germany
_____v____) |/ /_)
From: 86669629s@csghsg5a.bitnet (Martin Rosenkranz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon IS worth buying!
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:54:32 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland

So what is this "Is the Falcon worth buying?"-discussion all about?

It seems to me that the Falcon is going to be a fun-machine--a computer that's
exciting to work/play with. Who cares if the new-ultra-super-sonic PC 80x86
(x being a number>4) is faster? I like the Falcon--at least what I've seen 'til
now--and I am going to buy one! (Hoping it really will come out [and hoping
I will be able to afford it].)

Over and out.

Greetings,
               martin rosenkranz

 
p.s.: I had to post this twice 'cause part of the text was missing the first
      time... hope it was canceled. :-)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.tech
From: muocj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Olivo Contreras)
Subject: Re: Spectre GCR
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:40:15 GMT

1.  I think you need another piece of hardware that fits into a Mega ST
to use AppleTalk under the Spectre GCR.

2. Try contacting your local Apple dealer for the system software.
System 6.0.5 works best under Spectre GCR.