From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Hoof-in-Holden Disease
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:34:05 GMT
Organization: HTE

In article <n05e6t@ofa123.fidonet.org*, David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

* Tag: Wayne Throop (throopw@sheol.UUCP (Wayne Throop))
*  
* WT> "Let's try to quantify what Ted's getting at here. He is
* WT> saying that within a span of seven days, enough radiation
* WT> was released to create the diversity we currently see from
* WT> a severe population pinch. 

This is a serious misstatement of my position.  I never said ALL the
diversity we see was caused by the flood...   just a LOT of it.

There were other major league catastrophes both before and after the
flood and some of what we see, in fact a lot of what we see, was caused
by them rather than the flood.



* Taking humanity for an example,
* WT> the variation that ordinary theories have happening over
* WT> 100,000 years or so, concentrated into a week or so. Ted
* WT> is attributing all the additional variation to radiation.
* WT> Let's be generous and say that all new genetic variation
* WT> at the current time arises due to radiation, and that the
* WT> period of time was a month or so. We're already being
* WT> generous with the 100,000 years. Ted's theory therefore
* WT> requires that the planet was subjected to a MILLION times
* WT> the current background radiation for a period of many days."
  
* I've put that question to Ted three times within the last eight
* months; I asked him, among other questions:
  
* 1) "Where did this radiation come from?"

From one or another or both of Jupiter and Saturn.  I've answered
this before.

* 2) "Where did this radiation go?"

I've answered this before also.  What the fuck do you mean, "where did
this radiation go"?  Whee does light from a light bulb go after you turn
the light off?  Where has your youth gone?  

That has to be the single stupidest question I've ever seen on usenet,
in any group on usenet.  Other than t.o, I keep track occasionally of one
or two of the political talk groups, two of the language groups (Ada and C++)
several of the programming groups, DOS, Windows, one or two of the AI 
groups...  I've never seen a question that STUPID elsewhere.


* 3) "What kept this radiation from killing all life forms?

I've answered this before also.  Luck.  Most of the life on this earth
WAS killed off at the time of the flood.  As Plato has the Egyptian sage
telling Solon, we are descendants of survivors, many times over.

* 4) "What evidence is there to posit this event?"

I've just presented a huge amount of it, and shall shortly present
more.

* I also told him that the Babalonian and Egyptian "Emerald God"
* is a vegetation God, and not a sun God such as Ya, Ra, and Yahwey.

And you show your ignorance in telling me this.  Osiris, the green god, 
was definitely a sun god.  The great hymns to Osiris all describe him as
shedding "pure emerald light" upon the world.  Vegegation gods don't shine
any kind of light over the world.


* Yet out of these myths, Ted chooses to believe that the Sun (Sol)
* was once green!

Not the sun.  One or other of Jupiter and Saturn.  The sun has likely
been its present color for a long time.

* Ted ignored my questions the first two times, then he replied
* with "What do you mean 'where did the radiation go?' Where does
* microwave oven radiation 'go?'"

Ignoring a question that stupid is an act of charity.  In the future, 
I won't ignore it.  Rejoice.

*  
* Ted also chooses to believe that "the first humans" were WHITE!
* He chooses to believe that "the other races" were caused by some
* occult, magical curse.

That is a serious misstatement of my position.  I have stated a belief
that both the white and the black races as we see them now are very
recent, the black race a tiny bit MORE recent.

The article was clear enough;  the division of races was caused by mutations
which were themselves caused by the radiation experienced before and during
the flood.  The story was written up by people who did not understand
catastrophic evolution or mutation.  They wrote it up as an obvious case
of a curse.

To claim that I have stated a belief in an occult curse causing the present
division of humanity into races is total shit.

I would ask you to either read my articles more carefully or just hit the
n button, one or the other




-- 
Ted Holden
HTE

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