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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: How many would *REALY* like to live in WG universe ?
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:49:50 EST
Distribution: alt

jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic) writes:
> usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) writes:
> 
> >	My question is very simple:
> 
> >		How many of u guys would like to live in the universe idealized
> >	by William Gibson & Co. ?
> 
> >	Personal op: I wouldn't.	
> 
> I would rather commit suicide watching Mtv than to live in
> a Robert E. Heinlein universe though.

it's interesting that with the exception of Molly, all of Gibson's 
heroes "get out" or die trying. his world isn't a very nice place.
at the very least, it's easier to maintain a decent lifestyle in
Heinlein's universe. (call me a materialistic pawn of the establishment.
being constantly on the edge of death & disaster is fine for characters
in a novel, but i have no desire to live that way.)

if it ever happens i just hope there's still some place in Ohio where
i can retire, tinker with old vehicles & go squirrel hunting with my
kids.

jason

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From: jpg@abcom.ATT.COM (8118 )
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Where would I send to get hold of someone at Mondo 2000?
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:47:39 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: AT&T(IMS-DPO), Aurora, Colorado

In article <1992Sep7.092705.8340@tfs.com>, ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
> Wanted to know if someone can give me a net address for Mondo 2000 -
> what, maybe a bbs they run, or info, dialin, whatever.
> 
> Eh?
> 
> thanks -
> -ecsd

In issue 7 under the subscription address on pg 2 it states that "MONDO 2000
now has an electronic conference on the computer conferencing system called
the WELL. ... For more information call: 415.332.4335 (voice line)"

John Gorga
----------------------------
Insert pithy statement here.
From: raa@guild.socal.com (Raa Lopez)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sneakers
Date: 13 Sep 92 08:27:15 PST
Organization: TheGuild[FTS]

I seen it. And I enjoyed it. However, I had no idea it was supposed to be CP. Hmmmm ...

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From: phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Bladerunner 10ann. video
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:59:53 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy

rglass@pcs.cnu.edu (Randall Glass`) writes:

>  Is the 10th ann. just a reissue of the old Bladerunner?

Bingo.

>   The tape was 117 mins long and released by New Line video.

Sounds like the correct length to me.

>  Tell me it's the same old thing.

Its the same old thing.
--
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From: jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic)
Subject: Re: How many would *REALY* like to live in WG universe ?
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:52:14 GMT

usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) writes:


>	My question is very simple:

>		How many of u guys would like to live in the universe idealized
>	by William Gibson & Co. ?

>	Personal op: I wouldn't.	

There are worse nightmares than the Sprawl and at least in
William Gibsons universe the US of A has gone down the drain
permanentely and that in it self is not necessarily a bad thing...

I would rather commit suicide watching Mtv than to live in
a Robert E. Heinlein universe though.


>----
> joao Pedro Martins, Lisboa, Portugal - jota@tutor.UUCP
> 
> "Carpe Diem, she muttered... we seize the day.	
>  Well, sometimes, the day seizes back !" (Psychodrome) 

--
Jan Besehanic
email: jan_b@lysator.liu.se
New, improved .sig-file under construction.

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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: TV - flawed message and/or medium?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:39:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.031048.2646@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (cyberpunk) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.204551.15829@unixg.ubc.ca> turkel@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Turkel) writes:
>|The fact remains that the number of
>|simultaneous channels of information, and the range of levels and content
>|are much greater for books than for TV.  To an extent, the *medium* of TV
>|is flawed.  The message is, of course, problematic.
>
>This definition refers to TV as the medium exists today, but that is
>certainly not the end of the line for television.  I suspect that it
>will always be changing as technology develops.  For instance, I
>imagine that as soon as ISDN becomes practical this definition of
>television and the complaints about it will be laughed at.

You mean broadband ISDN?  It's pretty far away.  Japan planned ISDN by 1995
for the entire nation, and broadband ISDN by 2015, if I remember an old
article.  (I rather doubt it was 2005, and it certainly wasn't 2025.)

Of course, a single channel of broadband ISDN could carry enough bandwidth to
transmit analog HDTV without compression.  Thing the tv and movie industry
won't complain like they did initially against VCRs and still do to a fair
extent against recordable media for music?  :)
From: christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Movie:  Sneakers...cyberpunk?
Summary: It was enjoyable, but...
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:10:36 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange


  I enjoyed Sneakers but I wouldn't call it a cyberpunk movie.  Just
because they used hi-tech throughout the movie doesn't mean it's cp:
it's just a sign of the wonderfully advanced times in which we live.
  However there was the (I felt) CP theme haphazardly thrown innear
the end, which was something to the effect of "Bullets aren't what's
important now, it's information.  It's the power over information
that's the real fight now."  Although I thought it was cool to bring
up this idea (about information being so much more important now), 
they made Cosmo out to be some complete lunatic.  So one big step
foreward for this movie (the lines for it were hellacious), one
step backward for the public's view of cp/information liberation.
 
  At least it wasn't as bad as Lawnmower Man...
 
-christian

-- 
  When you die it's very painful then it doesn't hurt anymore.  It's almost
pleasent and you can't see or feel anything.  But you can just think.
  I don't know how long this goes on.  If you're like this forever, and go mad
or if you just discorporate after a while and reincarnate, say, as a carp.
From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: How many would *REALY* like to live in WG uni
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:53:22 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Sep7.145159.13774@inesc.pt>, usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) writes:
> 
> 	My question is very simple:
> 
> 		How many of u guys would like to live in the universe idealized
> 	by William Gibson & Co. ?

   Well, you don't define "Co.", but as for William Gibson, do you think he
really "idealizes" the world he portrays in the Sprawl trilogy? From what 
I can see, the author seems *fascinated* by this mechanized wasteland he 
depicts-- especially by its seamier side-- but he makes it out to be no 
kind of warm or humanistic place, certainly not a utopia, differing from a 
dystopia only in that the tone is, as Sterling put it, not a jeremiad.  
How's that "idealization"?
   I think that the crowd of imitators who have taken over the subgenre of
"cyberpunk" often do, as you say, idealize their world.  I remember 
reading the world-book of "Cyberpunk: The Roleplaying Game of the Dark 
Future" (gack); I wish I could quote verbatim, but there was a passage in 
there that stuck in my memory.  Something about the cyberpunk setting: 
always dark, always raining, always urban... and there are no children (babies 
are all born in test tubes).  In other words, so cartoonishly Nasty that 
it cannot be taken seriously at all.  In these environs, an author is free 
to plug a cable into his brain, toss a submachine gun strap over his 
shoulder, and mouth some facetious social moral as he walks down the 
polluted, dark, rainy, childless street, where he will never have to deal 
with anything *messy or human*.
   I'd contend that this isn't the landscape inhabited by William Gibson, 
John Shirley, Lewis Shiner, or Bruce Sterling (to name a few).  Comments?


   --Jesse.
From: megazone@rivdell.sccsi.com (Megazoner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: _The Turing Option_
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 02:35:30 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt) writes:
> 
> I'd like to see you give us 10 goods reasons for living in this age.  And not
> any of this "peace of good nature to all man" crap either (meant to chris) no
> morpheus.  In my life Ive found their is very little to do and there is
> becoming less all the time.
> 
>  bliss32


 1: The opportunity to live anyway.
 2: Space exploration may actually be here. I have high hopes that 
perhaps I myself will get to experience free fall.
 3: Information at he touch of a button, as in this net.
 4: Most of my friends happen to be living at the same time I am.
 5: Polio, smallpox, and other diseases are not a problem to me.
 6: I am not a slave.
 7: I can basically do as I please, within reason.
 8: I can expect to live longer, and enjoy it better.
 9: Intellectual level is a lot higher, and there is more to learn as 
well...although some may not notice this.
 10: I have a better standard of living than my (and yours) dad did.

 There are more reasons, in no particular order...but you asked for ten.


   MI

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jon@afs.com (Jonathan Hendry)
Subject: Re: Why freedom of information must be garenteed!!! [sic]
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:41:23 GMT

In article <Bu37A2.DAF@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim  
W "GrimJim" Lai) writes:
>In article <Bu08x7.4yo@acsu.buffalo.edu> dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar)  
writes:
>>rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
[[Lots Of Stuff Snipped]
>>ALL would have to change their ways.  Why do Utopian colonies fail?  Why
>>does communism not work?  BECAUSE WE ARE ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!

Yes, we are.

However, I saw something interesting on TV. Humans are essentially the same as  
chimps, genetically. Chimps tend to have the same violent, territorial  
characteristics as people. Yet there is a species of chimp which is the exact  
opposite. They live a nearly  utopian life which revolves around eating,  
sleeping, and sex. Even when an argument develops, it soon turns to sex. 

It seems to me that some people come from the violent chimps. Some come from  
the peaceful chimps.

Just a point of information...

--
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jon@afs.com  (Nextmail Welcome!) or hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim Oerting)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The originator of cyberspace/VR, who was it?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:28:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <19550.2ab48f18@ul.ie> brehonyt@ul.ie writes:
>
>Can anybody out there tell me who first formulated the idea of 
>cyberspace/Virtual Reality. I was told by somebody that the idea 
>has been around since the 60's. If so then who came up with it?. Thanks.
>
>Tom Brehony.

Well, If you mean the first graphical display system utilizing a head-mounted
display... then you are probably refering to Ivan Sutherland (who at that time
was a student at the University of Utah I believe).
From: bkoike@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Bryce Koike)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Re^2: 21st Century Soldier
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:00:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <4097@novavax.UUCP> vest@novavax.UUCP (Steven Vest) writes:
>markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
>
>
>>There won't be any more wars in the 21st Century.  Everybody and their
>>sister will have the Bomb.  Secondly: the world will be united in a Federation
>>by then.  Actually, it already is a loosely organized confederation right now.

	The world isn't involved in any sort of government.  (Oh, we
PRETEND to, but I think we're all aware of the power of the UN.)
Wars will definitely be over by the 21st Century since there won't
be enough people left on the planet to wage anything near what we'd
call war.  Maybe neighborly spats...yup...
	So far as The Bomb is concerned, I've never heard of it, so
I seriously doubt anyone's going to have one by the 21st Century.
Hell, not everyone on this planet has a car and that's probably the
most dangerous device that's publicly available today...
>
>I'm not sure whether to reply to this or not.  You don't really believe that
>there wont be any wars in the 21st century do you?  People have said that 
>after every major war in the last century or so.  As long as there are two
>groups of people, and rocks, we'll have wars.  The bomb has been around for

	No, you're wrong.  You see, wars are really just an alien
conspiracy.  We don't need rocks...we'll just have wars when the
aliens push the Entertain Me button...

>long enough that if it were going to change things that completely, it would 
>have.  Our having the bomb didn't stop the Vietnamese nor the Iraqis.  
>This is a bit sad and cynical but history bears me out.

	I assume we're talking about nuclear bombs and not some
strange device that's just called The Bomb.  The simple and amusing
fact is that America is so afraid to use a nuclear device that its
mere existance cancels out our willingness to use it.  Instead we
should just dump loads of radioactive waste on the bad guys.
	But I think the aliens have different ideas.
>e
>-- 
>========================== vest@novavax.nova.edu =============================
>= Steven Vest: Electronic Reference Librarian: Nova University, Ft. Ldl, FL  =
>=      Anything you see by me is just MY opinion.  Don't blame Nova.         =
>=================Life is strange. Yeah, but compared to what?================= 

	Please don't take my seriously.
	I don't.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good)
Subject: Re: H.R. Giger Information - Summary.
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:50:52 GMT

cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca writes
> Good luck. You won't find any Giger in a Library. Everything
> is way too rare and expensive. 


The public Library in Tempe, AZ has the BIG Necronimicon in their
stock.  It's usually checked out, but I've been able to check it out
once.  I don't live there anymore, so it's availability is uncertain.

You could try the international Library exchange and
check it out that way.


--

Joseph Good
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| Green Dot Brigade | - It's a whole damn army of dots...
+-------------------+ - And we've declared war on the 7-Up dots...

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: pchang@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (The Weasel)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  8 Sep 92 18:19:31 GMT

space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim Oerting) writes:

>In article <rcsjp.715933129@godzilla> rcsjp@cgl.rmit.oz.au (Jason Pouflis) writes:
>>I assume this is the fabled "director's cut" 
>>which is in elvis private collection, and travels with him everywhere.
>>
>>I keep hearing rumours about it,
>>that someone somewhere has seen it,
>>but personally I think its fiction/vaporware/etc.

Well, it isn't. I saw it the first time around, and it is better than
the original. This is mostly because there is no annoying voice over,
and the ending is the way that Scott originally wanted it.

Peter
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk RPGs
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:20:50 GMT

braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:

>jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic) writes:

>>kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey) writes:

>	[ a question about CP RPG's ]

>>Eh, somehow I think that this isn't the correct group for that 
>>kind of postings.
>>I think that you should post in rec.games.cyber or some of
>>the other groups concerned with roleplaying.

>I dunno, the people who play these games are sort of making a connection
>between CP and today.  Maybe not.

Perhaps you're right, but the rec.games.cyber deals 
specifically with Cyberpunk RPGs whereas alt.cyberpunk
is generally about cyberpunk.
I only suggested that he would get his questions answered
faster and speedier if he posted in rec.games.cyber.

--
Jan Besehanic
email: jan_b@lysator.liu.se
New, improved .sig-file under construction.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Sneakers
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 22:18:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I just saw Sneakers on at one of the local movie houses. Wasn't
this movie supposed to be cp?

Anyone seen it?

--
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mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: D. K. Moran information wanted
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:58:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.121611.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>I recently subscribed to this newsgroup, and when I was reading through the
>FAQ I noticed a book called "The Last Dancer" by Daniel Keys Moran. Could 
>someone please send me more information on this? (Subject, when published,
>where I might be able to find it, etc.)

 Well, the only mention I have seen of it was when DK Moran posted an
overview of what he is writing and what is happening with his books. That
book isn't in the FAQ since it won't be published for another year, as he
has said recently in another newsgroup.

Wassail,
Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
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From: accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Suppressed Tech...
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:38:21 PST
Organization: BBS

Hello... I need some info about Peter Moller's Flying saucer, Laurie
Ritchardson's (Not shure on the name but it is a he, and he's British)
amazing fertilizer, John von Neuman's efficient engine, and Tom Beardon's
Battery array.. Please email me if ya have the info... Thanx..
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:52:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.172124.11826@u.washington.edu> space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim Oerting) writes:
>
>Someone earlier mentioned that the Neptune in the U.Dist would have flyers but
>I have gone by a couple times since then and haven't found a thing... A guy at
>the Guild told me he thought it was at the Egyptian? Can someone with the
>elusive flyer verify that for me (email would be fine).

 I mentioned the flyers. I got one there. I just double checked last
night. It will be at the Egyptian on the 11th.

Wassail,
Al Billings

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
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From: rglass@pcs.cnu.edu (Randall Glass`)
Subject: Bladerunner 10ann. video
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:56:14 GMT

 Does anyone know the difference between the Bladerunner 10th anniversary
video and the classic we've all come to know and love?
 Is the 10th ann. just a reissue of the old Bladerunner?
 I found a copy at a small video rental store.  On the box of the tape
they slapped a sticker labeled "enhanced", yet no one at the store could
say exactly what was enhanced!  One guy said, "oh well, its got 20 extra
minutes".
  The tape was 117 mins long and released by New Line video.

 Tell me it's the same old thing.
	Randall Glass
	rglass@pcs.cnc.edu

ps. the 'enhanced' sticker was slapped on by the store owners.
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