HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: getting better?
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:26:20 GMT

>  Do you agree or disagree and why?

The evidence requires me to disagree. For example, racist organizations
are springing up at a rate faster than anyone could even list them
(today I read about the N.C. Black Elected Municipal Officals Association).
Racism and sexism have such an increasing prevalence in our society that
race and gender discrimination seems to be a requirement amoung new
endeavors. A new scholarship? Making it blacks only makes it better.
A professional society? Women only is the way to go. All that's lacking
for a completely bigoted society is the emergence of Caucasian only
and male only entities.

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: sjha+@cs.cmu.edu (Somesh Jha)
Subject: Re: Book
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:55:51 GMT

Hi John:

I will have to disagree with your conclusions. I am of East Indian
origin and I can feel the discrimination. A colored minority would
have to be pretty thick-skinned not to notice the discrimination 
around us. I agree partially with the premise that all the problems
of the blacks are not directly related to racism, but the social
climate which breeds losers is a sad reminder of the legacy of
racism. Discrimination exists and is alive and kicking. I have 
been denied apartments a few times in my stay here in the US. 
One more thing which I have noticed is the following (which was
amazing to me when I first arrived in the country): On public
transportation the seat next to me is the last one to be filled.
Anybody notice this phenomenon?
Things have improved, but we have a long way to go.

One more thing John, do not believe everything you read.

Regards,

Somesh

In article <1ep673INN9ca@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John  Laws) writes:
>
>Anybody who wants to be informed on the subject of race relations
> and racism should pick up a copy of the new book, Paved With 
> Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary
> America by Jared Taylor. It is published by Carroll and Graf, 260
>Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10001.
>This book is long overdue. It clearly shows that white racism is
> simply an excuse for black failures and lack of taking responsibility
> for your own actions. The book has over 1300 citations to back up
> its assertions. Do not allow this fraud to continue. Pick up a copy
>of this book and demand that the myth of white racism being the cause
>of all the problems of black-Americans be stopped. Demand that
> the government end the racist policies such as affirmative action
> and quotas. 
>Does racism exist? Yes, it exists in both the black and white
> communities. However, it is NOT the overriding cause of black
> failure. It is NOT as prevalent as the media and others would
>have you believe. Where it exists, it must be condemned and stopped.
>But it does not lurk behind every tree and this misconception
>must be stopped also.
>READ THIS BOOK! LEARN THE FACTS. DEMAND ACTION.
>-- 
>"Life what a beautiful choice" (Thanks to the Arthur Demoss Foundation)


Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: pengbo@convex.cl.msu.edu (bo peng)
Subject: Re: Chinese racism towards Blacks
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:15:10 GMT


The subject line really caught my imagination. So I'll throw in my $0.02,
though it's not so much of a follow-up to the original artical.

I'm a Chinese student. From what I've seen among my fellows, both in China
and here in the US, it is plain undeniable that there is a widespread 
prejudice against blacks among Chinese, including myself. I can't say majority
because I've never done any record-keeping. But my impression about the scope
is scary. Too often I've heard people talk about blacks in plain racial 
language with straight faces. I try to point it out to them whenever possible.
Yet out on the streets at night, my heart-beat would definitely be faster if
I found out that the guy after me were black.

As far as I can tell, racial/ethnic prejudice is a part of the human nature.
Just look at a homogenious society like China or Japan. Kids there can't
find people with different skin colors. No matter. They devide themselves
according to parents' social status, urban or rural origin, quality of their
cloths, etcetc. People need to feel good/special about themselves. For this
same reason, they creat various groups, identify with some, and pick on
others. Just look, you'll be surprised how cruel some innocent little kids
can be. 

There's nothing we can do about this nature part. The best we can hope for
is desegregation. When people know each other personally, they are much more
likely to recognize they belong to the same, one-and-only human race. I've
gotten to know a few blacks reasonably well. And I found each and every of 
them decent and honest and lovable and...well, just like me myself. That has
helped me tremendously to wipe out my own prejudice. In fact, I suspect that
most of this prejudice is FEAR and DISTRUST deep down in the naked core.

With this inheretant tendency toward prejudice, it is not surprising that any
bias in the culture or media is absorbed with amazing efficiency. Compare it
with trying to make people remember how to expand (a+b)**2. To battle against
racial/ethnic prejudice/discrimination, we have to face some discouragingly
steep and long hills. 

It doesn't help a bit to win this battle if we spend all our time pointing
fingers at each other. Malcolm X's approach might have helped breaking the
ice. But I tend to think that today's America is much more open-minded and
reasonable, at least for a healthy majority, than 30 years ago. Instead of
letting go of our rage, fear, and distrust, we could go much farther if only
we sit down, talk to each other, listen to each other, and admit that we all
have our own share of the problem. I talked to a skinhead before. And I'm
looking forward to talking to anyone who thinks asians/blacks/whites/hispanics
are a worthless POS.

Bo Peng
From: Nile Barrabas@dartmouth.edu (Nile Barrabas)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Discrimination today
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:53:34 GMT
Organization: SOB
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72FED2CEB015004@kip-sn-4.dartmouth.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:53:00 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11

From: KRB104
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:41:26 GMT
>   Your quote of "that's not racism, just good racism" led me to believe
that
>you were making a point about the UNCF and the NAACP.  If that is not
what you
>meant then I am curious as to your intent.  If an underpriveliged person
>attended a predominetely Black institution  that the UNCF supports, then
he/she
>would be eligible for those funds, which are given to the general
scholarship
>funds at the schools.  See, you learn something new everyday.


  Sorry, I didnt quote this. This was added to a reply which quoted me.
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH: OFFICIAL ROSTER v.3 (repost)
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:15:32 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Bxo415.BwL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.224535.27344@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099) writes...
>>**LOBO - a whitish looking clown- He needs no one, he hunts alone (still looking
>>          for someone to Id. this phrase)
>
>Ooooo! Ooooo!  I know!  I know!
>
>Seriously, I think this was from a Steve Guttenberg movie..."Another You", 
>maybe?  (Hey, waitaminit, that's not a Marvel comic!  I shouldn't be able
>to answer that...Obscure Trivia Lad, have you been playing around with the
>Power Exchange Gun again!?)
>
>                                            --Ben
>                                            aka Marvel_Zombie Lad

Obscure Trivia Lad wasn't aware of his use of such a device, but it
would serve to explain why he read so many Marvel comics this weekend,
even though he can't think of any particularly good (or even decent
ones).

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Action Project, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.cyberpunk,alt.prose.d
Subject: Re: Story: The Morbidity (Deth Hedd's Fourth and Final Story sent th
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:20:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) says:

>can someone mail me his earlier stories, or those of them that you
>have?
>thanks
>faisal

Now look, you've made him a marytr.
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage,alt.cyberpunk
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:56:02 -0500 
From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff

Put a cork in it, asshole!  I'm an atheist, and even I'm feeling
nauseous from the amount of hostile bullshit you're spewing out.  If you
can't accept other people for what they are (and ignore them if you
think they're worthless), you're just as bad as a bible-thumper
preaching out the holy verses.  

Did your mother love you?

Or are you the sort of motherless asshole who thinks they're the only
one who could possibly be right and is perfectly intolerant of all
others?

Get a life and a new mentality, dickhead.

Chris


--------------
Disclaimer:  If anything I have said has offended you, I promise not to
infringe on your right to just look away from the screen and ignore what
I'm saying.

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From: oddm@ifi.uio.no (Odd Arild Meling)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: TKK lyrics
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:14:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Originator: oddm@hild.ifi.uio.no


Does anyone have the lyrics for 'Confession of a Knife' album. If that is
the case - please forward them to me.

Odd
oddam@ulrik.uio.no
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: vender@plains.NoDak.edu (Does it matter?)
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Summary: THINK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:49:20 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

To sgreever@nyx.cs...:
  There is a lesson to all of this.  Next time you are confronted
  with something you don't understand, stop and think about it.
  Welcome to the real world, where people don't always share your
  philosophies.

To everyone who posted violently aggressive respones:
  Sigh.  My overall opinion rose after the first respone to sgreever's
  explaination, and dropped immediately afterwards.  Personally, I like
  people, and don't want to risk getting myself killed trying to remove
  some dumb idiot from this planet.  Trying to get a 'fundie' to think
  about their views, and question their faith is much easier,
  results in less fatalities, and may even result in a salvagable
  human being.  Besides, finally getting that glimmer of intelligence
  is worth ignoring the hatred, misunderstandings, and prejudices
  I have to put up with along the way. :)

----
I don't like pets.  I get far better results, and expend just as much
  energy taking care of dumb animals, taking care of my friends.
--vender@plains.nodak.edu
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From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Wire-Head Sex, VR sex, Sex with Droids and Noids.
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:22:41 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Summary: Wireheading is "better" than sex...

{in reply to Steven's posting re Wirehead sex}
{Please pardon the lack of quoting, but I didn't wanna have to edit
 his post over a 2400 BAUD modem}

[Discussion on hypothetical "Wire-heading" as a substitute for person-to-
  person sex]

   The interesting bit about "wire-heading" as a sex substitute is that it
bypasses all the fleshy bits, fumblings, and social interplay that is
presently required to get sexual fufillment. You just plug your unit into
a wall socket, plug the jack into your head socket, and experience total,
orgasmic bliss. For as long as you like. When you like. Without bothering
about anyone else.
   Now that ISN'T sex. Obviously. But in at least one sense, it would feel
better than normal sex, and there would be little fuss associated with it.
IMHO *many* people would use it as a sex (or even life) substitute, and just
switch on and drop out...
   It would be easy. Too easy. While you may think you have the willpower to
avoid such an activity, can you be sure ? Positive... ? 
   Which is of course why it belongs in the cyberpunk genre.

Tony Q.
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:01:06 -0500 
From: Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff

Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 15-Nov-92 Re: Religious Stuff by
Richard Steven Walz@deep 
> Respectfully to morpheus, I disagree. Greever, as long as you're on my
> planet, for now, you're a potential problem for my life and the lives
> of those I hold dear. You vote.

    Shall we take that right away from him?  Fine, we can take yours
too, since you practice a religion that encourages violence to others,
which is significantly worse than his self-righteousness.

 You also run your mouth and try to
> convince other gullible humans of your sick doctrine. That makes me
> angry and if I get really angry, you won't like it at all. In fact
> you'll wish you were never born! Just a warning. My Goddess *DOESN'T*
> say that I can't kill! In fact in the case of dangerous loose screwed
> assholes like you, she positively encourages it!

    Thanks. I'll remember to be preemptive and slaughter you on sight. 
Who knows what others you will decide are unworthy.  

 Get ahold of that and
> learn either how to not bite people who can chew you yp and spit you
> out, or learn voluntary silence. Whatever. You try to tell me how to
> live with assinine laws and I'll break several laws over your head
> till it leaks! Got that!
>  
> Now HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!
> - Steve
> -- 
> * Richard STEVEn Walz   rstevew@deeptht.armory.com   (408) 429-1200  *
> * 515 Maple Street #1   * Without safe and free abortion women are   *
> * Santa Cruz, CA 95060    organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.*   *
> * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women.  *

    So your argument is that greevers religion sucks because it tells
him who to think is right or wrong.  Fine.  Agreed.  But your solution
is even worse. What gives YOU the right, who made Richard STEVEn Walz
the lord over my fate? Greever can't cast judgment on others he
disagrees with, but you can kill them?  You are a hypocrite and would
have made a good member of the Spanish Inquisition. 
    How many times do we have to see this crap?  You're worse than any
bible-thumper I've ever seen.  Your idiot ramblings don't suggest
someone who has the ability to "chew others up and spit them out", not
even bible-thumpers who are usually easy.  People like you get killed in
dark alleys.  Shut up and grow up.

-Scott

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From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Date: 15 Nov 92 06:07:06 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <imm2TB5w165w@entropy.mcds.com> morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
>sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>
>> I cannot believe in the things you do but in
>> retrospect I had no right to criticize them.  You believe what you
>> believe, and I shall continue to believe what I do.  Until then,
>> it's ok with me if we all stop bickering.
>> 
>> Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?
>
>Hey wow, man...  I guess I'll have to go kill all those flames I was about to
>Have a nice day unless you've made other plans...  ;-)
>--
>morpheus@entropy.mcds.com
------------------------------
Respectfully to morpheus, I disagree. Greever, as long as you're on my
planet, for now, you're a potential problem for my life and the lives
of those I hold dear. You vote. You also run your mouth and try to
convince other gullible humans of your sick doctrine. That makes me
angry and if I get really angry, you won't like it at all. In fact
you'll wish you were never born! Just a warning. My Goddess *DOESN'T*
say that I can't kill! In fact in the case of dangerous loose screwed
assholes like you, she positively encourages it! Get ahold of that and
learn either how to not bite people who can chew you yp and spit you
out, or learn voluntary silence. Whatever. You try to tell me how to
live with assinine laws and I'll break several laws over your head
till it leaks! Got that!

Now HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!
- Steve
-- 
* Richard STEVEn Walz   rstevew@deeptht.armory.com   (408) 429-1200  *
* 515 Maple Street #1   * Without safe and free abortion women are   *
* Santa Cruz, CA 95060    organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.*   *
* Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women.  *
From: cak10@po.CWRU.Edu (Corinne A. Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: manifesto
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:01:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: lhk2@po.cwru.edu(lucas h. kuzma)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu




hey
does anyone know what the
story with the Meat Beat Tour
is
?
umm,
like in
Cleveland
?
-- 
cori a kelly
"You all think i'm mad.  I'm just a sane man fighting for his soul."
				 Renfield(as played by Tom Waits in Dracula)
 
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,rec.music.bluenote,alt.music.progressive,alt.thrash
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Greatest lineup pollsurvey
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:50:33 GMT

** MAIL your responses, DO NOT POST them to the newsgroups
 as I do not read all of the newsgroups.

 I am conducting a survey to find the greatest lineups for
 bands playing in various styles (Eg the greatest lineup
 for a blues band, the greatest lineup for a metal band).
 Members can be dead OR alive.

 I am posting this to most music style related news-group.
 I am excluding certain newsgroups such as alt.fan.rush
 (or whatever) because it concentrates on one particular
 band. I am excluding other musical styles such as rap
 because instruments are rarely used and classical because
 there are too many intruments.

 Here are the musical styles and newsgroups I'm posting to.

 Alternative: alt.music.alternative
 Blues: rec.music.bluenote
 Country\country&western: rec.music.country.western
 Folk: rec.music.folk
 Funk: rec.music.funky
 Hardcore: alt.skinheads & alt.music.hardcore
 Hard rock: alt.rock-n-roll.hard
 Heavy metal\metal: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
 Industrial: rec.music.industrial & alt.industrial
 Jazz: rec.music.bluenote
 Progressive: alt.music.progressive
 Rock'n'roll: alt.rock-n-roll
 Thrash: alt.thrash

 ** PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING CAREFULLY **

 When posting please tell me what type of band this lineup
 is for. Please also choose appropriate musicians for the
 musical style (John Lennon was a genius but don't put him 
 in a hardcore band).

 All band lineups must have a maximum of six members. The
 lineup MUST have a core of a vocalist, lead guitarist,
 bass player and drummer. If one of the members of the
 lineup is multi-talented (Eg Sting, bass player and
 vocalist) that member will only count as one member. But
 the band should be able to play live so somebody able to
 play guitar and drums is useless. A vocalist that can play
 harmonica and rythm (Eg Neil Young) is not useless as they
 can coordinate their playing. You get the picture. Some
 bands would probably be better served by having more
 members but I don't care, I want to keep it reasonably
 simple. Any extra members will not be included.

 MAIL your responses DO NOT POST to the newsgroups as I do
 not read all of them. I will be running the survey for no
 longer than a month. I will post the result soon after I
 close the survey but may also post updates.

 Jed

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From: cluster@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (General Access)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: Cyberwerks/ Banshee on tuesday nights (Manchester indie club)
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:50:12 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre


Has anyone been to Cyberwerks on a Tuesday? The first night was great with 3 
bands.Its the only industrial night i know of around Manchester.If you know 
off
any 
others

Lettuce all know and post an ad.

its 1.50 by the way.
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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:48:40 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:

> >> Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?
> Respectfully to morpheus, I disagree. Greever, as long as you're on my
> planet, for now, you're a potential problem for my life and the lives
> of those I hold dear.

geeze, man.. Take a pill or something... everyone's a potental problem to
everyone else...  The guy agreed to stop his preaching and prostelizing and
basically Live And Let Live...  online, anyway.

> out, or learn voluntary silence. Whatever. You try to tell me how to
> live with assinine laws and I'll break several laws over your head
> till it leaks! Got that!

Hope this did your ego good..

(damn, yet another alt.sex x-post like I keep telling myself to avoid..)


--
morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?   -qr
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: JGUSCOTT@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Technophilia
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:06:11 GMT

I am writing a book called Technophilia, which is a sourcebook/guide
covering the following topics-
 
* Afforable Virtual Reality
* Nootropics
* The Computer Underground
* Industrial and Cyberculture
* AI/Robots/A-life
* Brain Machines
 
If you have a zine, group, BBS, etc, and would like to be included in
the book, please e-mail me at the below address.
If you are interested in the above, feel free to send me comments,
suggestions, or ideas (ie, what you would like to see but haven't in
other books).
Basically, I'm trying to make this book as PRACTICAL as possible to
the average person.  Streetech and homebrew suggestions/contributions
are especially encouraged.
I've been working on this book for about a year now, and hope to have it
off to the publisher's by January.
Thanks for everyone's help!
 
John Guscott
JGUSCOTT@KENTVM.KENT.EDU
 
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