From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: No on 9
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 22:11:19 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <1992Sep26.203408.23563@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
    >In article <090n2m-.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil
    >Ronzone) writes:
    >>For me, it is very upsetting to an attempt to grab the shield
    >>of horror from the Jews, who have been subject to horrors
    >>that homosexuals have rarely seen en masse and place it onto
    >>a group of people that are disliked for what they accurately
    >>are. (Accuracy being relative in this day of mass media).
    >>
    >Why, Phool, you moron. As usual, you have absolutely no idea
    >what you're talking about.
    >
    >A number of Holocaust survivors are active in Parents and
    >Friends of Lesbians and Gays, and have gone on national
    >television stating unequivocally that the current anti-gay
    >sentiment in this country directly parallels what they
    >experienced as Jews in Germany in the 1930s.
    >
    >So how does it feel to be likened to a Nazi by someone who
    >survived the death camps? It's people like you that they're
    >talking about, you know.

Well, Melinda, as I do believe that a major part of a humans intelligence
is genetically determined, I, for one, am very glad that you are homosexual
as that statistically lessens the likelihood that you will be procreating.

Do me a favor, and keep it that way.

It could very well true that "current anti-gay sentiment in this country
directly parallels what they experienced as Jews in Germany in the 1930s.".

And I'm sure that a group of 10,000+ Jeffrey Dahmers would find equal
anti-Dahmer sentiment as well.

I'm not arguing that the "anti-" sentiment exists, I'm arguing that it
is desrved in the case of homosexuals, and not deserved in the case of
Jews.


Most anti-semitic sentiments I've encountered run along these lines:

1. Jews own the banks.
2. Jews screw and cheat (monetarily) all non-Jews.
3. Jews killed Christ (and hate all Christians).
4. Various Jews kill-the-Christian-babies and/or rule-the-world shit.

Now, I know factually that items 1-4 are not true. If they were true (and I
repeat that they are not true), there would be a factual basis for
anti-semitic sentiments.




Most anti-homosexual sentiments I've encountered go:

1. Male homosexuals screw each other in the ass and mouth.
2. Male homsexuals (not all, but in significant numbers) have (or have had)
   situations where they have sex with large numbers of random and/or
   anonymous strangers in a short time frame.
3. Male homosexuals (not all ...) have Crisco parties.
4. Female homosexuals have sex with each other with tongues/fingers/toys.

Factually, items 1-4 are true. Most people do not find these practices
appealing. In fact, most people consider them disgusting or even
immoral.

I do not find them immoral -- they are moral (hey, your body, your dildo and all
that). I do not find them appealing. Many I find disgusting.

Polls do consistently show two things.

1. About 2/3 of the people polled seem O.K. to live and let live with
   respect to homosexuals. (This is often quoted erroneously as showing
   support/acceptance etc. for homosexuality).

2. But even more, 80% is some cases, do NOT want homosexuals teaching
   their kids or being a part of normal people's lifestyles. I.e., be
   want you want, but stay away from me.


And that is the crux of the matter.

It is something you seem totally unable to comprehend.

Equality is NOT acceptance.

People do not, and will not, accept those that engage in what they feel
are disgusting practices (lifestyles, procedures, beliefs, whatever).

This is a basic part of mankind. And probably always will be.

When you look around the world and see the non-acceptance AND non-equality
of Hindu .vs. Moslem, Catholic .vs. Protestant, black .vs. white,
Serb .vs. Croat, Shite .vs. Sunni, you should realize just how fortunate
you are in being treated equal -- despite whatever non-accpetance you
feel.



And that is why FOA is so damn important. Because, given the right person,
that majority of people (that do not accept homosexual lifestyle intrusions)
can easily be channeled into legal anti-homosexual sentiment. Like laws.

The Freedom Of Association cuts two ways. It means people have the right to
NOT associate with you as well. You clearly do not accept this, which leaves
only the question of: What kind of person are you to want to force yourself
on others.

In the meantime, may you never run out of C cells ...





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