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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: HOLY names and others (was Misc. Stuff)
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:38:19 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

eldon@TENET.EDU (John Carroll) writes:

>The Holy Name Society
Just about ever RC parish has one of these. I doubt if their are any national 
records of membership. What you should do is find out what his address in NO 
was and find the RC parish that area encompassed and then you'll know where he 
belonged to the Holy Name society.


>Workingmen's Benevolent Association (Charter Member)
>The German Benevolent Association

This was before Social Security in the USA. The translation of a Benevolent 
Society is quite literally a 'Wohlfahrts Gesellschaft' or welfare club. 

You would pay your dues and when times got rough you could count on the 
organization to help you out. Workingmen from who came from Germany were quite 
familiar with these types of groups and the German state had already 
institutes a formal welfare (social security) system under Bismark in the 
early 1870's. 

The US was well known as sink or swim territory where you didn't eat if you 
didn't work. The very rich and the very poor and everybody else in the middle 
scared to death about joining the very poor at the first sign of a problem.

So most German immigrants joined together to protect themselves from the 
vicissitudes of the Capitalist system they were trying to conquer. Much of 
this was also very, very socialist, even communist in nature. Karl Marx had 
his impact on everyone in Germany. A countermovement was the Catholic 
Journeymen's Society or the Kolping Verein founded by Father Adolf Kolping as 
a counter-movement to a godless social movement. Kolping had been a shoemaker 
by trade and knew how tough it was to have to go from one master to another 
from city to city and learn a trade as a journeyman. He established Kolping 
Houses all over so that yound men could stay there temporarily. These houses 
are practically in ever German city to this day. Think YMCA among to 
translate.

Kolping Societies still exist in most major US cities. The organization goes 
back to its US founding in St Louis around 1850. So much for social 
background. One can often trace the whereabouts of workers by their records 
kept at Kolping Houses. 

>Has anyone heard of these organizations? Do you think they were national
>or only regional? Are these around today? (*very* unlikely) Where would you
>start a search for any records still in existence?

More than likely a dead-end street.

Fred
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:50:04 EDT
Reply-To:     David_L._Carson@MTS.RPI.EDU
From:         David_L._Carson@MTS.RPI.EDU
Subject:      Dutch
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hi All!

The word DUTCH,since before Shakespeare's time has served as the common
appellation for Germanic people--except in modern times.  DUTCH is a corruption
of Deutsch, which I think someone has said rather recently here before.  Earlier
in this century in America DUTCH was used as a non-pejorative nick name for men
and boys who had Germanic backgrounds or who had blond complexions, ala Ronald
Reagan.

David L. Carson,
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:58:00 EDT
Reply-To:     JWD@PSUVM.BITNET
From:         JWD@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Illinois-Michigan Canal

One branch of my ancestors were among the earliest settlers in Lake
County IL.  A cousin sent me a clipping about the origin of Lake Forest
in which it states
"The first white families to come into this area were Irish immigrants
who had worked on the Illinois-Michigan canal in the Chicago area.  They
received farmlands in what became Lake Forest as part payment for their service
s.  By the middle of the fifties there were a dozen clearings and farmsteads
belonging to Thomas ATTERIDGE, William SWANTON, Edward LEE, Patrick CONLON,
Francis MCANDRY, and Michael and Peter MOONEY."
Does anyone know more about this canal?  Was granting of lands a common
compensation method for canal projects?
The above quotation suggests that this settlement occurred in the early
1850s.  Two of my ancestors, Owen LAVIN and his wife Catherine CARNEY, were
in Lake Bluff well before 1850, possibly as early as 1841.  Their farm had
been purchased from Catherine's brother James.  Would this predate a
possible land grant from Canal work for James?
    Thank you in advance.

Jim Dunn
BITNET: JWD at PSUVM
INTERNET:JWD@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Researching DUNN, PARKER, MCNELIS, BYRNE, BURNS, WALSH, CAVANAUGH
      LAVIN, CARNEY, PETTIGROVE, HORINE, PELHAM, MEARS, FRESHNEY,
      MONARCH, MEEHAN, DUNLEAVY, AND CARR.
also  LAME, PERKINS, COMSTOCK, FISKE, ADAMS, ROBINSON, PENROSE,
      and MASSEY but less actively.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:48:53 CDT
Reply-To:     "(Brian Madsen)" <bmadsen@VORTECH.COM>
From:         "(Brian Madsen)" <bmadsen@VORTECH.COM>
Subject:      Re: TRANSLATION OF GERMAN EMMIGRATION PAPERS..
Comments: To: emsiwek@IASTATE.EDU, roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

>
> >>There is a book called:
> >>	"If I Can, You Can, Decipher Germanic Records"
> >>	 by Edna M. Bentz, San Diego, CA
> >>
> >>I could get an address if anyone is interested.
>
> >"If"?  You realize that's a red flag to a bunch of soc.rooters!  :-)
>
> By popular request, I will stop by the bookstore on the way home from
> work and get the address for Edna M. Bentz.
>
> Give me a few hours to actually get some work done and I'll post it
> tonight.  :-)
>
> Elizabeth Siwek
> emsiwek@iastate.edu
>

A couple of questions about this:

1.  Does "Germanic" include more than just "German"?  Specifically,
    does the book cover Scandinavian records?

2.  Does "decipher" mean more than just extracting names and dates?
    On one occasion my mother-in-law, who is German, entirely changed
    the direction of one of my lines of research by pointing out that
    what I thought was just another scribble was actually "hinterge-
    lassen", which is an out-of-the-ordinary way to say "widow"; so
    my question is, will this book help me figure out these kinds of
    subtleties, beyond the obvious name and date extraction?

Thanks for the information.

Brian Madsen
bmadsen@vortech.com
From: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (mark r rauschkolb)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Scanning and printing out scanned images and TEXT
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:02:38 GMT
Reply-To: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu
Organization: Mississippi State University

First: Image Quality

Someone mentioned that printing a 300 dpi greyscale image on a black and white
printer creates a loss in image quality.  True, the printed image is degraded
BUT the original image is not, and can always be printed on a better printer.

Second: Text

All (except specialized EXPENSIVE document scanners) scanners will work on text, 
as well as images.  The thing that converts the image to text is Optical
Character Recognition (OCR) software.  There are some OCR packages that only 
cost about $100.  There are others that cost many thousands of dollars.
The more expensive they are, the more accurate and more flexible they are.

A $100 package might only be able to recognize two or three fonts in one or
two type sizes, with an accuracy of 60-70%.

A milti Thousand Dollar package might be able to recognize hundreds of fonts
in dozens of sizes, even if they are intermixed, with an accuracy of 80-90%.

The EXPENSIVE document scanners scan one line of text at a time and have their
own OCR software that approaches the flexibility and accuracy of the higher
priced OCR software-only packages.

It is possible that by combining OCR with a spell checker and a grammar checker
you can get better than 90% accuracy, but I haven't heard of anything better
than 90%, with the average being around 75% (and yes, there are systems that
do include spell checking and grammag checking into their OCR algorithm)

This 10-30% error must be corrected by the person using a word processor.
Not bad for a one page document, but a daunting task for a whole book.

SUMMARY:

The ability to convert pictures into digital images is here and available.
The ability to reproduce them on paper is also available, but still too
expensive for the average person.  

The ability to scan TEXT into a computer and edit it in a word processor is
also here (24 pin Dot matrix print or laser printed COURIER font work best)
but is unable to deal with the wide variety of fonts and sizes.

If you only have temporary access to pictures or Documents, there is a good 
possibility that if you scan them in today, you will be able to use them
tomorrow.  If the pictures/documents are yours, wait until the technology
reaches a higher level.

Mark Rauschkolb
mark@cs.msstate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: "dave tait" <dave.tait@canrem.com>
Subject: scanning and printing
Reply-To: "dave tait" <dave.tait@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:15:59 EST

To: renfro@geewhiz.ssc.gov

JR>  Newsgroup: soc.roots
JR> Message-ID: <1992Oct1.134656.11973@sunova.ssc.gov>
JR>    Subject: Scanning and printing out scanned images.

JR>I want to buy a scanner which will work on TEXT, and allow me to edit the
JR>scanned text in my PC using a word processing program.  If that scanner also
JR>does pictures, that is OK, but I will not be too interested in that feature.

JR>Anybody know of a scanner like that?

Jim;  This is a function of software, not the scanner itself.  I'm sure
you'll get other replies to this & I'm pressed for time right now.  I'll
make it short & simple 4 right now - if you want more info, reply & I'll
take my leisure.

What you need with the scanner is software that will produce .PCX fomat
picture files.  This will be a `picture' of the page you wish to edit.
The other software you need is refered to as `O.C.R.' standing for
Optical Character Recognition.  This software `looks' at each character
area & compares it to it's built in library of recognized fonts and saves
it's ASCII value to [textfile.var]  Of course not all OCR is equal & there
was an extensive evaluation recently in PC Magazine.

Want more?  Leave a note!


                      David A. Tait                              
O               @ C.R.S., Toronto, CANADA                       O
                                                                 
O Looking for the following surnames; DIBBLE, MANTON, ROBBINS,  O
  WISE, JACKSON(ENG.), JOHNSON(ENG.), HARDY, McCRORY, NIX & more 
O                                                               O

 

 * DeLuxe2 1.25 #4926 * Also researching - ROBBINS,MANTON,DIBBLE,HARDY
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:10:28 PDT
Reply-To:     Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
From:         Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
Subject:      The Sardis Church...was: The Sendis Church puzzle...
Comments: To: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

A question of church membership...

William Moore came to the Juniata Valley between 1790 and 1800 with his
wife as a pioneer Scots-Irish settler from Northern Ireland. According
to the family history of his grandson, Rev. John Lloyd (d. 1847 Amoy,
China), he was a member of the Sendis [?or Sardis] Church.

Diligent search for a "Sendis church" -- also by helpful members of the
net -- has been unrewarding. However, the following from the Melvyl
on-line catalog makes it likely that there was a "Sardis Church" in mid
PA about 1800:

Author: Wallin, Benjamin, 1711-1782.
Title:  Lectures on primitive Christianity : in doctrine, experience,
worship, discipline, and manners, as it appeared in the church at
Jerusalem, in the time of the apostles : also on the epistle to the
church at Sardis : and on the faithful in the days of Malachi
interspersed with notes, reflections, and addresses with a view to
awaken a becoming zeal for the communion of saints, in order and love
/ by Benjamin Wallin.  Wilmington [Del.] :
Printed for John Boggs, jun. by Bonsal and Niles, 1801.
Description: 390p. ; 20 cm.

With this new hypothesis, can anyone confirm such a church?

There is, for example, the following reference in the Univ. Library
catalog at the U. KY:

Author:Baptists. Kentucky. Sardis Association of Old Regular Baptists (Ky.)

Title: Sardis Association of Old Regular Baptists records, 1937-1976.

 Description:   176 leaves.

Subjects:      Sardis Association of Old Regular Baptists.
Baptists--Kentucky.
Baptist associations--Kentucky.
Regular Baptists--Kentucky.
Registers of births, etc.--Kentucky.
Church records and registers--Kentucky.
Sardis (Ky.).
Lists

Author:Sardis Baptist Church (Boone Co., Ky.)
Uniform title: Sardis Baptist Church was founded in 1831.

In which the name of the town and the church might have derived
from the same convictions...

What say you??

Tom

BTW thanks to Joe Gardner for coaching me through the U KY
library system!!
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Blohm (Blohme)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:32:53 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

"Dorothy M. Paul (219) 239-8694" <LGG4BD@IRISHMVS.BITNET> writes:

>  Please give suggestion on locating emigration records
>for the following:
>   Emil Max BLOHM born 1871 in Germany

Germany was a big country in 1871 - twice as big as it is today. Your question 
is almost like saying how do I find Frank Smith who was born in the USA in 
1961. You'll just have to tell some more to find answers.

fred
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Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: WHITE / end-of-the-line
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:11:20 GMT

I've been trying to research earlier than 1612, when my ancestor was married
in Holland. I know that he was not Dutch, but was either English or a Scot. 
I seem to have come to the proverbial end-of-the-line, though, at that point.

Two questions:

Is this common?
Any suggestions?

Please e-mail. Thanks in advance.


Topher
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From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: TT software for MAC etc
Date: 25 Sep 92 11:48:35 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/30.0 - Roots(SF!), San Francisco CA

You can create a tiny tafel quickly (10 mins or so) with a word processor,
a printout of your ahnentafel, and a sample to follow. As long as the 
word processor creates ascii files you are ok. Folks have even been known
to create a tiny tafel with paper and pencil (perish the thought <grin>).
 
The reason I bring this up is that although the major genealogy software
systems have options to create a tiny tafel, the resulting file -must- be
edited. It frequently contains special symbols or punctuation that can be
removed and will list several lines for a surname when one would suffice.
 
Folks needn't let the particular type of pc environment they work in
keep them from creating a tt.

... Practice random acts of kindness

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Organization: Idaho State University
X-Mailer:     Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R3).
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:04:11 MDT
Reply-To:     BROUNANC@OL.ISU.EDU
From:         BROUNANC@OL.ISU.EDU
Subject:      set roots-l nomail
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

set roots-l nomail

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From: Gary Hoffman <ghoffman@ucsd.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Legality of Cousins Marrying
Date: 2 Oct 1992 16:58:11 GMT
Organization: IR/PS at UC San Diego
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: irpslab10.ucsd.edu

In article <ROOTS-L%92092507103408@VM1.NODAK.EDU> "Bill Veselik
WCVESEB@VCCSCENT" <WCVESEB@VCCSCENT.BITNET> writes:
>In response to the question about the legality of first cousins marrying,
>let me just say that I was surprised when I looked in an almanac a few
>years ago and discovered that it is legal to marry your first cousin in
>15 states.
>
>Weird, huh?

  Sorry, Bill, this just shows your (and my) cultural bias. In many parts of
the world, especially where families arrange marriages, the available pool of
potential mates is generally limited to members of the "clan" or extended
family who share a common religion, language, economic holding, and
weltanschauung. 
  Our modern western concept of each individual choosing his/her own mate based
on something as ephemeral as "romantic love" is quite abhorrent to many other
cultures. I, for one, believe part of the energy in American society comes from
what geneticists call "hybrid vigor" resulting from the cross-breeding of
non-related blood lines. However, this may be my bias. The word effete, made
famous by Spiro Agnew, actually refers to a genetic line that has become worn
out through interbreeding. Tired genes, you might say.
  To people in some cultures where sameness is valued, Americans are a wild
bunch of cross-breeds. Americans value a heterogeneous society and find
marriage of close relatives a sin on several levels.
  What is weird is that we seldom recognize our own biases.
 -- A biased report from Gary Hoffman
  ghoffman@ucsd.edu
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Mayflower List
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:47:35 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <59870001@hpscit.sc.hp.com> ck@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Kiessling) writes:
>I Hope this isn't a stupid question...

>Where can I find a list of the travelers on the Mayflower?

>In particular, I want to know if anyone named "Farr" was on the ship.

>If anyone has a list, I would be interested in getting it.

Roots has a list.... This should get it:

To: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu
Cc: yourname@yoursite
Subject:
--------

get GENEALOG MAYFNAME

.............
BTW: Cliff: Looks like its time for your briefing again!

Tom
From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: LEISURE TINY TAFEL
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:02:26 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/30.0 - Roots(SF!), San Francisco CA

You bring up a good point. I capture tiny tafels that concentrate
on U.S. locations. The TMS net in the U.S. connects all the U.S.
sites but does not connect with any non-U.S. ones. So if you tiny
tafel is exclusively non-U.S. and in Europe post it here and see
if one of the European sites will pick it up.



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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:16:05 -0500
Reply-To:     "LORNA B. DORR" <DORR@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
From:         "LORNA B. DORR" <DORR@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject:      K.O.T.M.
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I have the newspaper obituaries for Frank John DORR (d. 1914) and
Edward WEIS (d. 1920), both of whom were of German descent and both of
whom died in Rochester, Monroe Co., N.Y.  Each obituary states that
the man was a member of the K. O. T. M.  Can anyone tell me what these
initials stand for and/or anything about this organization?

Thank you.
**********************************************************************
Lorna B. Dorr -- INTERNET:  Dorr@wcuvax1.wcu.edu
                   BITNET:  Dorr@wcuvax1.bitnet
**********************************************************************
Researching:  ALLEN, BARBER, BENTLEY, BITGOOD/BIDGOOD, DORR, DUNN,
              FARRAND, KING, KOWALSKI, KUSCHEL/KUSSEL/KUTSHELL,
              LaROCK, LYON, MINSON/MEUTZEN, REYNOLDS, STORY, WEIS

Locations:  CT,RI,MA,NY,PA,VA, England, Germany, Canada
**********************************************************************
From: mark@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Mark Rauschkolb)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: What kind of certificate is this?
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:08:22 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.

I have the following certificate.  What would it have been used for?
Would this be for going out of the country, or would there be a need
for it around the US?

I also have a Citizenship paper for this individual.

---------------
             good only for two years from date
              
             United States of America
             Department of State
              
             To all to whom these presents shall come Greeting:
              
             I the undersigned Secretary of State of the United States of
             America hereby request all whom it may concern to permit
             Diedrick Hinck a citizen of the United States safely and
             freely to pass and in case of need to give him all lawful
             Aid and Protection.
              
                Description
             Age:           21
             Stature:       5 feet 7 3/4 inches Eng
             Forehead:      medium
             Eyes           dark blue
             Nose:          straight
             Mouth:         small
             Chin:          round
             Hair:          light brown
             Complexion:    fair
             Face:          oval
              
             Given under my hand and the Seal of the Department of State
             at the City of Washington the 13th day of June in the year
             1894 and of the Independence of the United States the one
             hundred 18th
              
             W S Gresham
              
             No. 12886
---------------

Thanks
Mark Rauschkolb
mark@cs.msstate.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:39:19 BST
Reply-To:     "(R W Macrae)" <rwm@TIGRESS.CO.UK>
From:         "(R W Macrae)" <rwm@TIGRESS.CO.UK>
Subject:      Images archived to floppy
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Don Stauffer, and others, have talked about storing scanned images on floppy

quite apart from questions of longevity of any magnetic media, I'd like to
remind everyone that in the mere 5 years I've ugraded from an 8088 based
non-PC to a 486 AT clone, in the process of which, I lost the ability to
read my 800K formatted 5.25" DSDD floppies...

(of course it wasn't an orderly upgrade -- the Sanyo machine became defective
 and it was cheaper to upgrade to a new 286 AT than have it repaired :-)

Cheers,

       Ron.
       rwm@tigress.co.uk           (weekdays)
       wonald@cix.compulink.co.uk  (weekends)
       Ronald.MacRae@p102.f50.n440.z2.fidonet.org (Point 102 on Roots (UK!))