Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "YALAN" duzmecisi vs "GERCEKLIK" avc
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:39:21 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
> Why should we surprised at this when we know that, for Islam, religion  
> and science have always been considered twins? From the very begining,  
  
Allah and the Messenger have never ever used those three words  
"Islam,din,ilm" together in such, or in any similar ways, therefore  
what is your and Maruice Bucaille's justification to compose  
such a sentence and expect us to understand what you say ?  
If you do not bring justification(s), then we understand you NOT.  
We don't know what you are talking about.  
  
> Islam directed people to cultivate science; the application of this  
> precept brought with it the prodigious strides in science taken during  
> the great era of Islamic Civilazation, from which, before the  
> Renaissance, the West itself benefited.  
>   
> Maruice Bucaille "The Bible The Qur'an and Science"  
  
[more bosh palavra]  
  
Let's recall how Allah uses "din" in the Kuran:  
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Here is a summary of use of DIN in the Quran, a grammatical map:  
  
Allah (chosen/ordained) for you the DIN  
Allah (establish) for them their DIN  
Allh said: I perfected DIN  
           I have chosen for you al-Islam as DIN  
Allah send messenger with the DIN of truth that may cause it to  
prevail over DIN  
Allah said: people of scripture ! stress not in your DIN other than  
the truth  
would you teach Allah your DIN ?  
the DIN (for/with/of) Allah  
the DIN of truth  
pure DIN is for Allah  
making (their/my) DIN pure for Allah  
keeping DIN pure for Allah  
on the day of DIN the command is Allah's  
establish the DIN  
pharaoh said: Moses will alter your DIN  
according to king's DIN  
someone (follows/follows-your/slanders/may-seek-help-in-the-matter-  
of/set-purpose-for-the-right/denies/becomes-a-renegate-from-  
someone's) DIN  
give the lie to someone about the DIN  
(no-compulsio/no-hardship/to-gain-sound-knowledge/brothers/who-is-  
better) in DIN  
the day of DIN  
have they partners made lawful for them in their DIN that which  
Allah allowed not  
DIN will happen  
to war against someone on account of DIN  
(they-are-in-dispair-of/they-will-fight-till-they-made-you-  
renegates-from/they-assail) your DIN  
people of scripture (exaggerate-in-their-DIN/and-disbelievers-make-  
a-jest-and-sport-of-your-DIN)  
they take their DIN for pastime and jest  
(they-split-up/they-sunder) their DIN and become schimatics  
their DIN had (deluded/beguiled) them  
their partners make their DIN obscure for them  
it deceived them regarding their DIN  
if you are in doubt of my DIN  
  
List of ayats where "DIN" occurs:  
  
009.029, 001.003, 002.132, 002.193, 002.256, 003.019, 003.083,  
004.046, 007.029, 008.039, 008.072, 009.011, 009.033, 009.036,  
009.122, 010.023, 010.105, 012.040, 012.076, 015.035, 016.052,  
022.078, 024.002, 026.082, 029.082, 029.065, 030.030, 030.043,  
031.032, 033.005, 037.020, 038.079, 039.002, 039.003, 039.011,  
040.014, 040.065, 042.013, 042.013, 042.021, 048.028, 051.006,  
051.012, 056.056, 060.008, 060.009, 061.009, 070.026, 074.046,  
082.009, 082.015, 082.017, 082.018, 082.019, 083.011, 095.077,  
098.005, 107.001, 109.006, 110.002, 003.085, 004.125, 005.003,  
002.217, 003.073, 004.171, 005.057, 005.077, 009.012, 040.026,  
049.016, 005.054, 003.024, 004.146, 006.070, 006.138, 006.160,  
007.051, 008.049, 024.025, 024.055, 030.032, 010.105, 039.014  
  
See how "DIN" is hooked up to "MILLET" :  
  
004.125 who is better in DIN than one who surrendered ones' purpose  
to Allah while doing good and follows the MILLET of Abraham, the  
upright, Allah chose Abraham for friend.  
(ahsenu=better, esleme=surrendered, veche=pupose, muhsin=good,  
TEBEA=follow, MILLET, Abraham, hanif=upright, halilen=friend)  
  
002.120 and the jews will not be pleased with you, nor the  
christians, till you follow their MILLET. Say: guidance of Allah is  
guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the  
knowledge which had come unto you, then would you have from Allah  
no protecting friend nor helper.  
(jews, christians, TEBEA=follow, ILM=knowledge, veliy=friend(?),  
HEDA=guidance, HEVA=desires)  
  
022.078 ..he had chosen you and had not laid upon you in DIN any  
hardship; the MILLET of your father Abraham. He had named you  
muslims of old time and in this (scripture)...  
(dini-min-haracin=din-with-no-hardship, millet, Abraham, muslimin)  
  
006.162 say: as for me, my Lord had guided me unto a straight path,  
a right DIN, the MILLET of Abraham, the upright, who was no  
idolater....  
(hedani=guided, sratin-mustakim=straight-path, dinen-kiyemen=right-  
din, hanif=upright, mushrikin=idolater)  
  
  
I think there is enough examples here in the Quran which gives you  
a solid over-view how you can use this word "DIN" without ending up  
in the maze of metaphysicians' "DIN" ?! (like Maruice Bucaille's   
religion)  
  
Keep this as a record so that we know where we are when you use  
this word "DIN" and someone else uses it. Our aim is to have a clear  
functional language so that we can communicate and use INTELLECT  
(AKL).   
How can you ACCESS TO INTELLECT without a sound LANGUAGE ?    
>   
ves-selam...