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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hakkinen for Lotus
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:58:54 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu (Jonathan Swaby) writes:

>Someone mentioned a while back that with the new tire rules the Benettons
>might stay with the V-8 and the V-12 might be sold to others. It was
>also suggested that McLaren might run the Ford V-12s. I would like
>to see teams like Lotus and Fondmetal get top flight engines. I think the
>Fondmetal team might have scored points with Ford latest engine. The Lotus
>boys might be giving Benetton drivers a run for the money if they had
>the series VII engine.

>Jonathan Swaby

	I'm sorry that I didn't change the heading- I'm unable to do so. 
Anyway, I'll be talking about Mssr J. Swaby's post, not Hakkinen. I agree,
that Lotus deserves serious thought as to a front-line engine. They have
a great tradition there, and with this season, have ersased most of the   
doubts as to whether they are still serious about F1. If Lotus picks up the
series VII V-8, and there car remains as good as it is this year, they will
definitely be the #3 team, behind Benetton and Williams. That is of course,
provided that the new Benetton B193 and Ford-Cosworth V-12 are a better pack-
age than the B192/HB V-8; which it should be!!!!!!! About Fondmetal, I also
would like to see them get better engines, as this year's car is DEFINITELY
one of the BEST chassis in F1. Their problem is no money for testing, not
a lack of engine. Pacific racing is thought to be interested in merging the
two operations- that could be a points-winning combination- Sergio Rinland's
car, with a good engine, and some operating capital.
	So, things could be rosy next year in the Ford camp. Here's hoping
they don't screw it up by moving to McLaren or something like that!!!!! 
GO LOTUS AND BENETTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOBY....
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From: Cory Houston - mdstest1@bnrmerb.bnr.ca
Subject: Re: F1: Mansell stays with Williams for 93
Organization: Northern Telecom, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:42:43 GMT

In article <5408@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
writes:
  
>
>As the title says, Mansell has signed for Williams for the 1993 season. I
>do not have the full details of the deal, but it is good news for me!   
 

NOT! 


Cory Houston
Northern Telecom Canada
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
(613)763-9637


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From: lgb@romulus.cray.com (Larry Briski)
Subject: Piquet - Team Menard Lawsuit
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:04:48 CDT

I guess I jumped the gun in last week's post about Nelson's Piquet lawsuit
against Team Menard.  Will have to get my ears checked or start taping the
radio news to get a clear idea of what's going on.  

Anyway here is what the Associated Press has to say in a condensed form:

      Nelson Piquet has sued Team Menard for $516,000 US which he claims
   the racing team owes him for services in May prior to a crash that
   seriously injured his legs.

      The lawsuit file in U. S. District court on Wed. (Sept 9) claims
   that there was an oral agreement that Piquet would be paid $500,000
   plus 40% or any prize money for driving in the Indy 500.

      Warren Johnson, corporate secretary for Menard Inc., said he could
   not comment on it because he had not reviewed it.

      Richard R. McDowell, an attorney for Piquet, said the driver's
   medical expenses are not an issue in the lawsuit.
     
      The lawsuit cleaims that Piquet has spent $16,000 of his own
   money on expenses such as travel and lodging, and that the racing
   team and its owner "have become unjustly enriched" by using Piquet's
   name and reputation.

Now you know why only in the US could there be a cable station that
only broadcasts court proceedings :-)

Larry Briski          
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From: drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall)
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Summary: Where he belongs
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:15:57 GMT

In article <18338@acorn.co.uk>, apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:
> 
>  American Michael Andretti has signed to
>  drive for the McLaren Formula One team 
>  in the 1993 world championship.        
>                                         
>  The reigning Indy Car champion, son of 
>  former F1 champion Mario Andretti, will
>  replace Ferrari-bound Gerhard Berger.  
>                                         
>  Andretti has won 26 Indy Car races and 
>  captured 24 pole positions since 1986. 
>                                         
>  He signed a contract with McLaren at   
>  Bloomfield Hills, Michigan but no      
>  details have been revealed.            
> 
Glad to see an American in Formula 1 again! I wonder how long
those F-1 prima donnas wil tolerate MA's aggressive style!!!


 =============================================================================
   Dave Hall   dave@racer.b8.ingr.com ||   "dirt's for racin',
				      ||    asphalt's for gettin' there"
   Black Cat Racing,  Madison, Al.    ||               B.S. - 1990
 =============================================================================

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From: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:17:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxvme.1316
Reply-To: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Organization: Parallel Technology Solutions Inc.

In article <1992Sep4.074312.28392@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>
>|> Or why there is no U.S. G.P.
>
>Why isn't there any more, no suitable track? or is nobody interested?
>
>|> or American drivers
>|> in F1.

RETURN ON INVESTMENT "ROI". The F1 circus is a *very* pricey venture when
compared to INDY CARTs, NASCAR. Phoenix is a prime example... The F1 races
drew a dismal gate, while the INDY races pack the place. Why would you as
a promotor want to face *ten* times the up front price, potiential fines
from FISA of *astrnomical* amounts for even the same size "gate"?

Long beach went from F1 to CART with virtually *no* loss of gate revenues,
while cutting the sanction fees, purse, etc by a factor of 10.

Americans as a group are a pompus ignorant lot in as much as "them furriners
talk funny, why can't they speak proper English Jed?", (I've even seen this
"logic?" applied to differing dialects from *within* the states)
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Subject: <None>
From: ** Sender Unknown **
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:02:11 +1000

Se sigue deslizando el peso diariamente?


>que se espera un buen sangoloteo en cuanto el gobierno ya no la pueda sos-
>tener.

Se ha estado rumorando lo de una nueva devaluacion desde marzo. Me sorprenderia
mucho que hubiera alguna dado que el retorno de capitales se basa en una
politica economica predecible. Me da la impresion que el gobierno mexicano
preferiria modificar su politica a un deslizamiento de $4 diario que a
una devaluacion; pero ahi si SDS (solo dios sabe).


Comentarios, opiniones?


Alex



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Deparment of Computer Science                       University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 16:10:54 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:

> In article <7aRNqB2w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP>,
> dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:
 
> |>It did seem like he was pushing it a bit when he said he was only
> |>available for an F1 ride that allowed him to drive Indy.
 
> Why is that pushing it a bit?  Other F1 teams let their drivers drive at Le
> Mans.

I believe it would have been difficult this year to put one's whole
heart into learning a new track at Barcelona and racing on 3 May and
learning a new track at Imola and racing on 17 May while pouring the
kind of effort into Speedway, Indiana that makes one competitive in the
Indy 500.  It betrays a less than complete dedication to the mission of
performing well in Formula 1.

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh 

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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Mansell quits F1 !!!! GOOD RIDDENS
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:51:53 GMT

In article <LMS.92Sep14122703@rle-vlsi.mit.edu> lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu writes:
>Personally I think all three stink and I could not care less if they
>quit racing.  In fact I would appreciate if they would do that so that
>new drivers with less of a prima-dona attitude and more eager to drive
>and win, would have a chance.
>More driving and less talking!

I tend to support you here. But I'd still want each of those
prima donnas to be in separate teams, coupled with a young
charging talent as an equal second driver. In other words,
I want to see repeats of what Senna did to Prost happen to
each and every one of these prima donnas. Perhaps that's why
Prost is so "different" now. The others might behave differently
too if they had the same thing happen to them.

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Q1/Q2 times from Monza ?
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:08:16 GMT

Has anyone got the Q1 (and Q2) times for F1 at Monza ?

I'm sure somebody will post them.

Thanks in advance,

Anthony Doig			| E-mail : ajd@Dialix.oz.au
Corporate Systems Development	| Voice  : +61 9 321 2442
Perth, Western Australia	| Fax    : +61 9 474 2553
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From: rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.)
Subject: Re: F1 Qualifying tYres.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 23:50:24 GMT


Here's an idea if teams really miss qualifying tires why not use rain tires
for qualifying?  I know they aren't slicked but shouldn't they get equal
grip and last about the same lifetime?
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Spencer/Junie (NASCAR)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:06:05 GMT

Jimmy Spencer has signed to drive with Junie
Donleavy (sp?) in '93.  Didn't catch who the
sponsor would be.  Wonder how long this deal
will last?

This puts to rest the rumors of Jimmy teaming
up with Bobby Allison.

-c'ball-

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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Alesi VS Schumacher
Organization: Save The Manatee
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:09:06 GMT

Jonathan Swaby writes:
>Are these 2 drivers of equal talent? I think so. I think Schumacher is very
>good, but I think Alesi is equally as good if not better.
>I think Alesi should share the same status as Berger.

Perhaps a partial explanation for Berger`s new status at Ferrari is that
he was the protege of Niki Lauda. The ability to *SURVIVE* at the Ferrari
team is a major accomplishment. Alesi has done that. Berger did that, and
is even able to return. Other than Mansell, who else could return to
Ferrari?

There is no question that Alesi is a tiger. Give him a good car and I expect
him to win races. His continued survival at Ferrari is a major achievement.
He has demonstrated his rain-master skills. I hope to see him on the top of
the podium soon.

Berger seems a bit under-rated and is probably better than he has
appeared to be in comparison to his recent team partners. It
also seems that Berger has had more than his share of bad luck. I wish him
good luck.

Schumacher has a lot of talent, good luck, and must be doing something 
right *off the track* that has been helping his career.

Lets hope the Ferraris are competitive -- let Alesi & Berger show who is
the better driver. Let's also hope that the Benneton's continue to be
competitive. It would be nice to see some hard fought races with 
Williams, McLaren, Benneton, Ferrari, and Lotus in contention.

-- 
Grayson Walker                                           CHC, Maitland, Florida 
Forza!                                            Internet: agwiii@fang.att.com
Voice: 407 660 7949                        Big brown river..... Tuli Kupferberg
From: tsander@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Bubba (NASCAR)
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:51:39 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Sep3.153007.17898@stsci.edu>, lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577) writes:
>  For instance, why are NASCAR announcers
>  always southern accented? 

If this is what you feel it would take to mainstream it then I have no real
argument either way.  Just as long as they don't get someone who sounds like
Jackie Stewart, I could care less.
> 
> 2.) Technical-I will be flamed but as long as American racing is generally low-tech, many
>     sponsors will shy away. We need captivating series. The days of Bill France's idea of
>     the average American race fan wanting to see cars that looked like street cars from 
>     the side is gone! It's dead. We've outgrown Bill France's notion of what we want.

No, I won't flame you but I've got to disagree.  See I didn't grow up as a
motorhead and in fact am still not conversant with all of the Techno-babble
that is exchanged between people who are true gasoline gurus.

I've taken an interest in the last couple of years in auto sports.  I've been
to see both WinstonCup and Indy races at Mich Int'l Speedway.
My main interest in going to see a race is to see familiar cars with loud (or 
should it be LOUD engines running a close, strategic race, driven by people
with personalities that I can identify with.

It is NOT to get whiplash trying to figure which Marlboro car is passing which.

There may come a time when I mature to the point where I can appreciate the 
high-precision, sewing machine purr and technologically perfect indy car.
If so, I hope that I will remember those poor unfortunate Neanderthals that
still enjoy the exhilaration and raw, primal power of a Winston Cup start; 
Tons of flourescent steel and thousands of cubic inches of combustion combining
in a decibel level that makes makes a shuttle launch sound like popping the 
top on a cool beverage.

Or not.
> 
> Matt
        
Tim Sanderson 
University of Toledo
{No disclaimer needed: nobody here listens to us Bubba's anyway}
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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: F1: New trivia	
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:00:11 GMT


This will either be a very timely trivia question, or not....

Assuming Schumacher wins Monza, he will become the 6th driver
to win his 1st and 2nd Grands Prix, back to back.  Name the other
5.

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From: burton@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Rex Burton)
Subject: autox class & rules for 83 mercury lynx
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:47:25 GMT


 
 
 I have a friend who wants to autocross an 83 mercury lynx.  He would like
 to do some modifications to it.  He would like to know where to go for rules
 info and information on what class it would be in if he does xx versus yy.
 
please respond via email to burton@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu, since I have
already taught him how to use mail, but haven't taught him all the ins and
outs of rn.
 
 thanks in advance, -rex burton (writing for my friend richard)
From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Monza race
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:02:57 GMT
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.

In article <190klvINNasi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>Who clipped Schumacher's right half front wing at the start.
>Varsha and Hobbs didn't seem to see his wing flapping on the on-car shot.
>In fact they thought the sound of the wing flapping was his engine
>misfiring.  Are they losing it?

Last night I was looking at the Italian GP tape looking just for this.  I
think that Schumacher rode up on the back of a Ligier (Boutsen) at the first
corner (where a lot of people were locking up their brakes).  ESPN never 
showed the first corner in slow motion, consequently, it is difficult to see
exactly what car Schumacher ran into.

-- 
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Toshiba America MRI, Inc.		Internet: salil@igor.tamri.com	
South San Francisco, CA  94080		Phone: (415) 872-2722 x2283
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Bruins free-agent camp question...
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:02:38 GMT
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <1992Sep11.183116.18356@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Uhmmmm......oh, ok.  Michael Andretti received an honorary jersey and
>was featured at a Pittsburgh Penquin game last season.  I don't know
>of any conflicts between the Penguin's schedule vs the F1 schedule in
>'93.  If there are, I guess old JP and Bernie will have to make a
>decision.

I hear that Bernie wants $10.6mil to reschedule the F1 season to
avoid conflicts with the National Hockey Association.

>And didn't Al Jr. receive the same accolades by the Lakers???  I know
>it's silly season, but the talk about Michael Jordan getting the N-H
>ride next year is too far out....

not a chance.  jordan's going to drive in the second Menard seat
at indy, but he doesn't have a ride for the rest of the year.

cheers,
  richard
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From: dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: HASA "S" Division
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:53:05 GMT


OK, here are my WAY OUT predictions for 1993 IndyCar rides

Newmann-Haas:	Mario and John Andretti (which leaves the Hall-VDS ride open)
Hall-VDS:	Cheever
Canassi:	Gordon and (gasp) Senna
Foyt:		Lyn St. James (AND she gets a Cosworth!)
Patrick:	Sullivan and Luyendyk (if they run 2 cars)
Penske:		Mears, Emmo and Tracy (runs 3 cars all year)
Galles:		Unser Jr AND Unser Sr
Truesports:	Preutt
Simon:		??? (OK Brayton and Dick Trickle :-))
Walker:		Goodyear


OK, I'll admit some of these are way out, but isn't that what the silly
season is all about??


Does anyone know how Jeff Andretti's rehab is going? Also, how is Kevin
Cogan doing with his? Thanks


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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Hakkinen for Lotus
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:36:51 GMT

esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.160246.10475@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Sep7.105646.1565@tac.fi>, tiok_kl@tac.fi (Kari Leminen) writes...
>>>-According todays newspaper Mika Hakkinen will drive for Lotus next year.
>>> Williams, McLaren, Benetton ...Watch out !
>>
>>But, isn't he driving for Lotus this year, too?

>Yes, and he has been ahead of the McLarens and the Benettons at some point
>during the season.  If Ford would have given Lotus the latest HBs rather than
>the two generation old ones, then Mika would have been able to stay ahead.

>I am glad that Mika has apparently resigned with Lotus.  As has been
>mentioned before in this newsgroup, they (Mika, Johnny and Lotus) make a
>good team.

>alan

     Make that a GREAT team. There have been a million rumors, but I knew
all along that Lotus would have both drivers back. Herbert is tied with
Peter Collins, and Mika has supplied all the money Lotus has gotten in the
last two years. Besides that, both drivers have shown extremely well. Maybe
Lotus can get the latest generation Ford HB for '93 while Benetton uses the
V-12. That's another thing- how can someone say that Benetton will not use the
V-12 befor some other team, like McLaren? Benetton has been the factory team for
Ford for five years, and Mike Kranefuss has practically had carte blanche with
the team. I don't see a breakdown of this team, especially since Benetton is 
better than McLaren. Why would Ford leave a car that is competitive with 50 less
horsepower to go to a team that is barely competitive with 50 extra horses? 
Well, I guess we'll have the answers to most questions within about two weeks or
so, don't you think? 

Cory

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From: jrp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Pitman)
Subject: Mansell to INDY
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:29:23 GMT

Hi there,
Today's AUSTRALIAN (wed 16/9) reports that Nigel has been talking to Carl Haas
about working for him next year - $4.5M is mentioned. As another poster reported
that Paul Newman visited  earlier it sounds possible. Apparently this sort of
move would block Al Jr from a seat with Newman-Haas??
Williams are putting up the shutters, and releasing a statement, rather than 
confront the press directly in a press conference.
jp
From: cca10@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Craig Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Next Grand Prix
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:41:02 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

Could someone please tell me where and in what order are the last few
remaining Grand Prix's of the season.

		Thanks in advance

		Craig Armstrong