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From:   NAME: Les Buhite
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        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
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STEVE KARLSON: The Ronin observes, "there should be passwords to
<identify who is
<among the elite and who isn't ... and seems to imply an effort to
<keep the lower classes from learning these passwords."
<
<The lower classes make extensive efforts to learn the passwords,
<which is why the John Molloy self-improvement books sell so well,
<and which is what the public schools in the United States used to
<do.  One of the purposes of public education is to transmit the
<public culture, including the passwords.  I think the slippage began
<when the public schools did away with dress codes.

Yet the "cultured" class tends to be conservative, and that conservativeness
is reflected in the language. They become "symboling poor" in the anthro-
pological term.  Thus it is the upper classes wishing
to establish the Academies of Grammar and whining about the disintegration
of language.

The "uncultured" classes tend to be "symboling rich", and the slangs they
develop in one generation, at least the more successful of them, move into
the "upper" classes and eventually make their way into dictionaries.

Fashion follows the same course.  What the hookers are wearing one year
are the fashions of the next.

I think it's the middle class wannabes that keep John Malloy in scotch.
Are you familiar with _The Nine American Lifestyles_ by Arnold Mitchell?
From the perspective of the early '80s, he gives a startling look at
different "classes" (which he calls "psychographics", a term which makes me
shudder) and how they move up the "ladder of success"

Les
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From:         Frank <ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Asterix (and Tintin)
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>From:         Anne Haycock <haycock@MARLEY.THINK.COM>
>
>Torkel errs:
>
>     Aaron writes about Asterix:
>
>   > basically, it's set in ancient Greece, where
>   >Asterix is this short little gladiator who gets into lots of
>   >misadventures with his friends.
>
>     You've been misled by a particular story. Asterix and Obelix are
>   Gauls, and the basic story line is that they live in the one village
>   in France that has not been occupied by the Romans (thanks to the
>   magical potion brewed by the druid Miraculix).
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Non, il s'appelle Panoramix.  Le petit chien s'appelle Idefix et le chef du
>village s'appelle Abraracourcix.  Obelix s'occupe en fabriquant des menhirs
>et Asterix est un vrai guerrieur gaulois!  Le fin.
                                            ||||||
                                            La fin.  (Si on va parler francais)

But while we have been extolling Asterix to the skies, no one has mentioned
my other favorite series of the same genre.  I mean, of course, the Tintin
books.  Captain Haddock, Nestor, Snowy (Minou in French, Struppi, I think,
in German), Thomson and Thompson (Dupond et Dupont).  I have to admit that
I share a taste in literature with my little brother, who is now 11.  I often
buy him Tintin or Asterix (or Calvin and Hobbes) books as presents, and
read them myself, first.  True confessions.
>
>//anne//

Frank
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 13 Apr 92 08:59:18
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In-reply-to: Tushar Samant's message of Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:48:19 CDT

Tushar reminisces:

   >         I find the waste of paper from writing or printing
   >objectionable, when mostly it isn't necessary.

   I write everything on the backs of printouts which I find in
   the garbage bin in the computer room. Nothing great about it,
   of course. It's an old habit. I always nade new notebooks out
   of old at the beginning of a new year in school. Everyone did
   it.

   In fact, "recycling" is a totally new word to me. The second
   time I went to the co-op to buy something, I naturally took
   the old plastic bag with me. Lady at the counter gave me a
   slightly strange look and subtracted four cents from my bill.
   (I was thrilled to have unwittingly saved a rupee.) Apparently
   it's not a very common thing to reuse your plastic bags.

   That recycling newspapers requires telling also surprised me.
   In India, there are people who make a business out of recycling.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My favourite is still seeing "Bata shoe fences" -- do you know what I mean
Tushar?  There's nothing quite like seeing a construction site (more often
someone's garden) "fenced in" by yards of rubber sheets previously used to
make chappals.  And sandals whose soles are actually old tire tread
skeletons ...  

//anne, loving all the "recycled" memories this evoked//

   You just carry all your "recyclable" material and SELL it to an
   agent, who then does god knows what with it and makes a profit.
   There is a whole industry which is supported on this. To think
   that a business like this is carried out by civic bodies !
   What happened to free enterprise ?

   Don't spread this news. I want to take out a patent on the
   idea of Acme recyclers.

   tushar
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Yo-Yo Ma!
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I'm on deck, all dressed up and plenty of bandwidth on my hands. Chuckling out
loud that Graham has finally subbed to us after all that b&m regarding the
superiority of newsreaders. Read early, read often, old boy! Who wants to try
some IRC 2nite?

-abh
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Deserving AIDS

>I agree that no one who has contracted AIDS deserved to contract it.
>I do not care how stupid, reckless or ignorant they have been.
>
>JAG

So you're saying that, even with all the warnings about unprotected sex, that
the fools who has sex with anything that moves doesn't deserve what he (or she)
gets?  He's responsible for what he did and the consequences of his action.  In
other words, he got what he deserved.  That's like saying one who habitually
drinks and drives doesn't didn't deserve to die when he finally ends up driving
his car over a cliff.  He was responsible.  What is he deserving of? What is he
deserving of if he takes another car with an innocent family over the cliff
with him?

I feel sorry for the husband or wife whose spouse has an affair, contracts AIDS
and then brings it home.  But I certainly don't feel an incredible amount of
pity for the spouse.  He's killed his family.  If his wife is pregnant, the
baby will most likely die of AIDS.  He's getting what he deserves.  It's just a
sad shame that he killed others in the process.  These others are innocent
victims; he certainly is not.

Well, the same goes for someone like Magic.  It was through his irresponsible
actions that he's going to die.  Certainly, I'm sorry he brought this on
himself (no one else did it to him), but I have more compassion for his wife
and his baby.  They're reaping the bitter seeds he sowed.

Chris
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

Proposeth     Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>

> Galmin ?  Is that you ?  It's been such a long time.

> Oh *I* know!  It's Tushar.  He's cooked up another one.  Good going, I say!

> Tony (won't be fooled again) H.

     Galmin predates me and I am unfamiliar with Tushar performing so
elaborate a prank (not that I would it past him).  I also considered
that this was someone pulling the list's leg, and patiently wait until
the inevitable unveiling and declaration as such.  Until then, I hold
to what I have posted.

The Ronin
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>No, you're looking for "The Machine that Changed the World," which should be on
>at 9:00 pm EDT if your station is following PBS guidelines to the letter.

It wasn't.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Nancy,,
"jones" is slang for withdrawal pains.

-abh
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Welcome Back, Ye Lost
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My mail is suddenly filled with a gigantic pile of duplicates.  I see
that the UGA nameserver was just reset.  I had been reading the mail
on bitnet today and now have all the internet duplicates pouring in.
That means that Aaron and others are finally getting mail.  This chaos
is driving me crazy.  Bernardykins really does need to make a quick
trip to Athens to get things straightened out there.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      fitting in:me too!
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Maybe I'll come to regret it, but I've accepted the post of editor
of THE SEXTANT, the faculty magazine of Salem State College, recently
refunded and revived. Starting in Sept. I'll get a 2 course reduction
in my teaching (we carry 4!)--but the magazine needs to be under way
now.
    I'm open to all advice, needless to say. Anne--the former editor
had copies of the Brown magazine on file among the good examples and
models.
-Rod

Rkessler@RCN.MASS.EDU
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Deserving Flames
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  There's also the issue of reasonble expectations...what do you think
the consequences of your action will be?  If you ride a horse, you
might fall off.  You might not think so at first, but after X falls,
you will expect it as a reasonable outcome.

  Having sex (as one possible way of getting AIDS) does not seem like
something that could kill you.  It's hard for us to believe that this
is a real consequence, and many people don't really truly believe that it
*could* happen to them.  You don't get several chances with STD anymore
before you realize it could happen to you.

  Many many people still believe that only "faggots and dopers" get this
disease, that clean, normal, etc etc (us and them approach) are invulnerable.
So the "deserving" judgment has to take a little of this into account.

Steve
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SHOUT-LAND...HELP!!!
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>
>Okay, VMS'ers out there, I now have a new problem.
>
>All my commands are now being interpreted by the VAX as all-uppercase.
>I.E.note my new personal_name above.  What gives?  Any hints?
>
>--Aaron


When you go into mail, do a MAIL> set pers <return>, and when it
prompts you for the Name:, type in your personal name enclosed in ".
Example:
MAIL> set pers <CR>
Name:  "Adam Hartfield @ Drew University" <CR>
MAIL>

and that should do it.

If the problem is more widespread, it may be your terminal emulator.
I know that when I've been logged in for several hours, Kermit does
funny things.

--Adam
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              92 12:36 pm

>
> >        You guys hiring?
>
>    Yes, as a matter of fact.  We're looking for a Membership Director.
> Know any?
>
> Czarina
>

What does a membership director do?  (I guess asking the question rules
me out for the position.)  Well, I could learn ...

rashmi
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Brazilian gleanings?

>>a spanner in the works when I try to talk to someone from The
>   ^^^^^^^
>   don't you mean 'wrench'?

"Spanner" is what he means.


>>FAITH 'N' BEGORRA.
>
>        This is Irish, not American.

I had always thought that the correct phrase is "faith and begob".
"Begorrah" is another phrase which stands alone. You can say these
phrases only if your name is Pat or Mike.

They are exclamations. My guess is that "begorrah" means "by god".
When is the Erin go bragh explanation coming ?

tushar
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Isaac Asimov
              8 Apr 1992 03:55:09 GMT from <bayla@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>

Is it true that Asimov would not fly ?  I've heard this repeated many times,
but it sounds like one of those UL things.

Tony H.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Silence and Horoscopes

> My birthday is tomorrow, so can you tell me what my horoscope says
> for then?Thanks!

You mean today's horoscope for Aries?  Tomorrow's horoscope for Aries?
A special birthday horoscope tomorrow?  No luck on that last one --
our paper doesn't have those.  Yours for today isn't very cheerful:
"A problem related to your elders could arise.  Business may have to
take a back seat to family affairs.  Give plenty of thought to the
future.  Patience and caution are advised."  That's Jeane Dixon.

An early happy birthday!  April 10 has a nice sound to it.  Some dates
just sound better than others for birthdays.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who never did call the revelers in Cambridge but still wishes
     she were there instead of here...
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: fresh meat

From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

> In short, DON'T rush to put the most trivial construction on what people
> say. And please don't reply with trivialities once in a while.

     Might as well find out if I am one of the people Tushar the
Petulant has given up on.

Tushar,

     With regards to the thread you seemed to be referencing:

     1) A lot of the questions were becoming repetitious without
        providing food for further thought.  That is, the discussion
        was becoming mired and boring.

     2) Someone jumped in and started challenging assumptions.  This
        was responded to in a fairly serious manner, including
        attempts at providing background and answering the questions
        raised.  Your complaint seems to have missed this.

     3) The someone then replied by demanding that any and all (at
        least so it seemed to me at the time) statements made in
        response to the challenges were useless unless backed up by
        citatitions to 'real' linguists.  Nothing was ever produced to
        show what was wrong with the answers.  They were summarily
        pronounced inadequate.

     4) The people who had tried serious response, as you plead for,
        decided that this someone was better ignored and posted these
        feelings.

     5) Then the witty and frivolous postings started.  The actual
        posting you bitch about with regards to pants was because of a
        misunderstanding in a posting that lead to some fun.  But it
        was preceded by a serious attempt at a serious discussion.

     6) As to your repeated threats to leave the list: Yah, right.
        You got the jones and it ain't ever gonna leave you.

The Ronin
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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Hi. I'm a new "lurker" on this list, and have to echo ndh's comments.  I
can find something I'm reading hilariously funny and read it to my husband
to share my "enjoyment" with him and he simply looks at me as if I'd lost
my mind.

BTW ndh, try substituting the remote control belonging to another device
in the place he normally keeps the one for the tv.  Watch him squirm. :-)

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992, Nancy Harwood wrote:

> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:01:38 -0500
> From: Nancy Harwood
> Subject: Re: sad thought
> To: Multiple recipients of list WORDS-L <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>
> >
> > Although I hate it myself, I know quite a few adults who love to be read
 to...
> > I DON'T understand it....
>
> It drives my husband crazy...I have a bad habit of trying to read him
> interesting stuff from the newspaper or something else I'm reading...he
> rates that right at the top of the scale of annoying habits (at the same
> level where I post his constant flipping of TV channels with the remote
> control).
> ndh
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Steve P., I apologize, The Ronin
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:36:38 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <WORDS-L%92041218141103@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (The Ronin) writes:
>Steve,
>
>     I have done a careful rereading of my postings about STD's agree,
>I owe you and the list an apology.  My thoughts were poorly formed and
>clearly offensive with respect to classifying children as a disease.

Quite right too.  Children are not a disease; they're a virus - passing
on your genes to other unsuspecting children in another 20 years or so...

H
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:27:23 EST Karen Kay said:
>> we should speak... and it all finally died out (I understand) with the
>> widespread dissemination of dictionaries, which serve almost the same
>purpose.
>
>Huh?  They ain't got no dictionaries in France or what?
>
>Also, Japan makes the best dictionaries in the entire world and they
>have the Mombusho to tell them how to speak and write.No way does
>one substitute for the other.
>
>Karen

...I am not disagreeing with you, just repeating what I learned in a course
entitled: HISTORY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE....that's what the textbook writer
said.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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Subject:      grammar

>In what ways is understanding what you're doing with grammar useful?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Although whatever I darned well say is grammatical, and although I my
ear is a perfect grammar machine, writing English according to an
accepted convention is something for which understanding what I am
doing with grammar is very useful to me.

tushar
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English geeks (was Re: in-jokes and such
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              7, 92 8:40 pm

>    I would in no way classify myself as an English Geek or any
>  combination thereof, but span the range - I have a BS in Computer

	Hmm.  Well, I majored in English (writing conc.) and minored
in computer science.  I can write nasty code in 7 languages (BASIC,
FORTRAN, C, Modula-2, Pascal, CLIPS, and one other that I'm obviously
repressing).  I worked as a tech writer while I was going to school
and at one point they had me writing the logic trees for a program
because the grad student supposed to be doing it was utterly clueless.
So crossing the left and right sides of the brain isn't all that
uncommon.  Even now that I'm doing this associate editor thing, I
still sit down with a manual every now and then and screw around
with the SunOS.

Rita
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From:         torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: nouns
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              14 Apr 92 12:54:59 -0400. <9204141840.AA07899@sics.se>

  Rashmi writes:

  >Idempotent is a quantity (or operator) that is unchanged by
  >multiplication by itself.  Unity is idempotent, as is any identity
  >matrix.

  In view of the inevitable "multiplication" jokes that followed, it is
in order to quash this kind of thing once and for all by pointing out
that multiplication really has nothing to do with it. Any operation f
is idempotent that satisfies

  f(f(x))=x     for all x in the domain of f

or equivalently,

  fof=I        where I is the identity.

I await the sexual interpretation of the above equations.
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