HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:47:43 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr8.094533.19745@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
Minar) writes:

>My own opinion of the quality of conversation on IRC is that it's not
>very good. Most of the people there are bored undergraduates. 

Maybe we could pick a time, open a channel, and have a soc.motss
get-together without the Portland sometime.
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: John Haugh's Current Incarnation
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 04:06:57 GMT


In article <1992Apr12.011429.11059@amhux2.amherst.edu>
twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>>Computing seems to gather *such* strange people together.
>>Not any of *us* of course, but you know what I mean.

>Are you insinuating that we're NOT strange, Jess?  Grrr....

No insinuation to it, hon.  You're *very* strange!  :-) But
I'm just a plain, small-town kid from the midwest, m'self;
ordinary folks, dontcha know?

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From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed at my high school (anonymous post)
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:55:59 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


	My reaction to this poor boy's post was a mixture
	of sympathy and rage -- the rage coming from my
	own memories of how miserably treated schoolkids are,
	whether gay or not (worse, if gay, of course).

	To the anonymous poster: I can only echo Owen and Ry.
	Yes, it's fucked.  Please hang in there, as you'll be
	on your own soon.  If you choose to fight the situation,
	I hope things go well.
		You have support out here in the world at large
	(as maybe you'd already found through your email exchanges).
	And I think you can count yourself fortunate that you know
	who you are and what you want instead of being confused,
	closeted (except for the most pragmatic reasons), and in
	denial of being gay, as so many of us were at your age
	-- myself included.  The best of luck!

	To Mike Batchelor: Thanks for posting it.  It sure hit
	a nerve with lots of us.

	-R


--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: ???Behaviorist Brainwashing????
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:48:58 GMT
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In <1992Mar30.232944.8619@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com writes:

[...]

Why do people spend so much time arguing about whether child molesters are
straight or gay? Seems to me that attraction to children is an entirely
different thing form being attracted to motss or motos.

---
John Dorrance				** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 07:11:33 GMT


In article <1992Apr14.044921.1722@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.040652.10969@reed.edu>
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>>The jacket was the first material tipoff for me - I mean
>>come on, Members Only?  They may be ugly, but they're very
>>queer.

>"Queer?"  Where?  At the men's roon of the Peoria K-Mart?

*So* evil, that one!

When clothes carrying the brand name on the outside came
along, Members Only being one the first to do so after
Izod's alligator established the bona fides of the
principle, fairies snapped them up faster than chachkas at
an estate sale.  It was just *too* chic.  Of course, that
was *at least* 15 years ago, so it's probably a new thing at
the Peoria K-Mart!

(It's my home town, I figure I'm entitled to bash it. :-)

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From: black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black [Chris])
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: lack of humility
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:00:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: sybase.19522
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Apr14.193413.26662@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

|by which i mean that i'm announcing that i have just been named
|to the american academy of arts and sciences.  
|
|some other new fellows:
|  . . .
|  in engineering sciences and technologies:  . . . juris hartmanis
|  . . .

What a guy!  Anybody else here have the good fortune to study cs theory
with Juris Hartmanis?  He's such a good teacher that he left me with 
the mistaken impression that automata theory is easy.  He was also my
inspiration for going to graduate school -- I wanted to be a professor
Just Like Him.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: Reduce AIDS Funding
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:38:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr8.224922.15660@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
>And no, AIDS isn't caused by gay sex, but as others have pointed out
>in medical literature, with homosexuals having very high rates for other
>sexually transmitted diseases, AIDS does tend to favor people who practice
>gay sex[*]...

John, this is where you demonstrate either your bias or ignorance.
When you say "gay sex," do you mean sex between members of the same sex
or some specific behavior(s) which you believe characterize "gay sex"?
Similar behavior would pose the same risk of STDs regardless of the sex
of the participants.  Or would you say that kissing between two men or
two women poses more risk to HIV (or other STD) transmission than
between a man and a woman?  Or are you claiming that anal intercourse
between two men or cunnilingus between two women are "gay sex" that
cannot be accomplished by a heterosexual couple?

Certainly specific behaviors such as unprotected anal intercourse poses
a higher risk of STD and HIV transmission than other behaviors, but
this is not an exclusive behavior of gay men.  Nor do all gay men
practice anal intercourse.  The frequency and risk of specific
behaviors are the determining factors, not the sexual orientation of
the participants.

Chuck


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From: buckmr@RPI.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Illinois AIDS law ruled unconstitutional
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:10:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: client.9204121510.AA18705

"Copyright 1992 by UPI.
Reposted with permission from the ClariNet Electronic Newspaper newsgroup
clari.group.gays.  For more info on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or
phone 1-800-USE-NETS."


	BELLEVILLE, Ill. (UPI) - A judge in St. Clair County Circuit Court
has declared unconstitutional the Illinois law making it a felony to
knowingly trasmit the AIDS virus.
	Circuit Judge James Donovan made his ruling Thursday in dismissing
charges against Carethea Russell, 18, Belleville, who was charged under
the law with four counts of attempting to transmit the virus.
	Russell was charged after a St. Louis man told authorities she had
sex with him last October without telling him she carried the AIDS
virus.
	In a pretrial motion filed this week, public defender Clyde Kuehn
argued on behalf of Russell that the 1989 state law was too vague and
too broad. He said the law could make criminals of medical professionals
who may transmit the virus and that the state's definition of 
``trasmitting'' might include exposure through tears, sweat, sneezing or
urinating.
	Kuehn argued that if the law was intended to bar people from
spreading the disease through sexual contact, it should say so
specifically.
	In his written order, Donovan agreed the law was vague, especially
the provision that prohibited ``intimate contact'' by those who knew
they had the AIDS virus.
	``The court finds that the meaning of intimate contact with another
as defined by the statute is overbroad, does not give adequate notice
and criminalizes theoretical or hypothetical modes of HIV transmission,''
the judge wrote in his order.
	``The medical community has discounted certain modes of transmission
referred to by the defendant, but the medical community cannot exclude
them as possible modes of transmission.
	``The proscribed activities currently recognized by the medical
community that result in transmission should be specifically enumerated
in the statute,'' Donovan wrote.
	Prosecutors had argued the law clearly was aimed at prohibiting the
spread of the virus through sexual intercourse and that criminal charges
never would be pressed for the less likely modes of transmission.
	St. Clair County State's Attorney Robert Haida said he would appeal
Donovan's decision. Haida said he was concerned about the possibility
Russell would have unprotected sex with someone else without telling
them about her condition.
	In his order, Donovan gave the state 21 days in which to file an
appeal. He also said it could file other charges against Russell.
	The judge lowered Russell's bail from $25,000 to $20,000. However,
Kuehn said Russell has been unable to get released on bail because she
is subject to a hold order for a parole violation.
---
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uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
According to the January 5, 1992 _New York Times_ 0.1% of all abortions in the
United States occur in the third trimester.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Organization: University of Maryland
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:34:21 GMT


Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) wrote:

> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
> >Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) wrote:
> >
> >> ...."Homosexuals were invented for an episode of Barney Miller".
> >
> >Ok then, explain it, but it had *better* be good.  
> 
> What does it mean? I've got no idea. It's funny, though.

Well, I *already* agreed with that bit.  I thought you
promised a truely good story if I agreed to be offended?

> >That's so fucking offensive!  Just eat shit and die, scum!
> 
> I'm offended not ONLY that you didn't spell my name correctly, but
> that you neglected to infer the original Czech spelling, thereby
> denying my European heritage. 
                                                             ,
Well, Mlinar, why didn't you say so in the first place!  Mluvite
v          v v      vv ,               ,   v   ,      ,
cesky?  Je cestina tezka?  Kdy budeme miti ceske knedliky? 

> Thank you.
    ,
Prosim.

--jns
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 17:38:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr13.010433.20995@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:

> Ice Axe?  (He says, suddenly a bit more attentive.)
...
> (Should I bring my crampons?  Gawd, how butch this all sounds.)

Help!  I've decided to rent my ice axe once I'm there, but can I rent
crampons too?  Or should I forget the t-straps and pack crampons instead?

Arne
From: gsmith@CONCOUR.CS.CONCORDIA.CA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:48:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr7.193521.14079@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:

>Call me naive, but I forget that someone who badmouths family as bad
>as MZB could possibly *be* family.

When it met MZB in her Incognito personna, whe claimed to be straight.

>She did mention one of her first writing jobs was harliquin like
>romances for gay men (in the 50's).

Why doesn't someone re-issue this stuff? I would love to read 50's
gay romance novels. I wonder if it is possible to find these anywhere
anymore?
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:13:21 GMT

max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:

>Thomas Disch's _The Businessman_ is great...
>_Fun with your New Head_ is another of my faves, 

I loved most of the stories in _Fun with your New Head_. My favorite
Disch is _Camp Concentration_, about a sexually transmitted virus that
increases intelligence, but the "infected" person eventually gets
sick and dies. (Before we're all tempted to draw twisted parallels with
AIDS, the book was written in the late '60s.)

Bill
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: IS OUTING ETHICAL?
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:05:23 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <farenebt.703531834@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:

>aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>>In a previous article, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) wrote:
>>|>I think it's very unethical for gays...
>>|>I think that gays...
>>|>I think it's selfish of some gay activist groups...
>>|>for their selfish purposes. 
>>|>you should respect their right...

>>|>NOTE: I am not a homophobe and I do not think any less of homosexuals than 
>>|>of heterosexuals. 

>>Thank you for sharing.  We'll do exactly as you say now that we've seen
>>the light.

>In your attempt to be sarcastic you neglected to answer the question.

In focusing on the sarcasm, you've neglected to examine
whether you actually *have* a question.  Though you may
think you do, the evidence is much plainer than you seem to
think that you do not, for you've not given any of the
issues any serious or probing thought yet.  That may take
you quite some time, should you wish to pursue the matter.

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From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GBLO fic (Was Re: Alexander the Great )
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:30:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr16.183034.11583
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr15.045951.15141@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <92105.020333IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>
>>how about lesbians who fantasize about male-male sex?
>
>I find the average gay-authored eroticon far more stimulating than the
>average het-oriented porn.

I know I've mentioned this before, but my *favorite* porn is male/male
written by (both straight and gay) women.  They put in the 'romance'
(bad work, lots of these stories are one night stands- maybe emotional
connection is moree my meaning), that I want, and the hard edge, without 
descriptions of head sheese (!) and other bits of unecessary graphic bits.

>Queer erotica, both written and visual, tends to be gentler than the
>straight and unyielding kind.

Gentler... I don't know.  queer sm can be wonderful stuff.  (I have
never seen (nor want to) queer snuff, so you may be right.)
>
>>i know, i know, i'm odd...
>>but for me, so long as there are only motss in teh picture, it's
>>erotic.  it it's motos, it's gross.  penii look nice in men's
>>mouths, nasty in women's.  am i odd or what???
>
My lesbian girlfriend has the same raction to straight sm porn.  With the
power inbalance already in our culture, male tops and female bottoms
look too mjuch like the real thing.  She has no trouble with
male/male or female/female sm porn.

>Maybe.  But I tend to have the same reactions to motss and motos porn,
>for the reasons mentioned above.  And hey, I like _doing_ it both.
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for

Sandy			Bisexual by Choice?
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Turing and "The Machine that changed the world"
Summary: clau-clau-claudius
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:34:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr8.170731.6937@PacBell.COM>, rjwill6@PacBell.COM
(Rod Williams) writes:

> > dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

> >I think the most disappointing thing about this episode was
> >learning that Derek Jacobi played Turing as the stuttering
> >Claudius in "I, Claudius".

> That does seem to be his schtick, doesn't it?  At least, in
> Turing's case, it seems the stutter was accurate.  Don't know
> about Claudius.  Anyone remember if Jacobi's Hamlet stuttered?

Claudius' stammer is a central part of his characterization in
Graves' _I, Claudius_, and I presume it is based on Suetonius
(but don't recall a specific mention of it from that wonderful
compendium of gossip, inuendo and general nastiness.)
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 04:32:44 GMT
 <1992Apr10.200219.9089@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> <1992Apr12.005706.3189@amhux2.amherst.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Apr12.005706.3189@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.200219.9089@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>
>>Yet to drown a group out by shouting, to refuse to listen to anyone, even  
>>if the message is the same... am I the only one that feels uncomfortable  
>>about this? Am I the only one that sees the same strategies used in the  
>>past against us?
>
>The KKK's platform has already been heard.  It does not warrant
>further patience.

      If this was WWII and we formed a Guerilla group to sabotage Nazi
activities, no one would complain.

      So what is REALLY the difference between that war and now?  Haven't
endless Extremist groups declared war (Very literally--one of them is even
called W.A.R.) on us?

      Come on...this is not the time to pontificate; this is the time to
act.
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bryan Blumberg and the irrellevant charter of soc.motss.
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:27:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

since we're (STILL) taking names, put me in teh support category.
i don't subscribe to alt.politics.anything due to an allergy to
flamewars, and i want to know this stuff w/out a string of assholes
posting in agreement w/it...
                                        -ailsa

p.s. after all, if the post doesn't interest me, i just skip it
unread...  i already do that to all the ones on opera...
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Murdering Adonis
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:42:00 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

dfs@lestat.bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne) writes:
 >I must assume that you are referring to one of my favorite things
 >about all of the books about this lively crew (I've read three now):
 >Hilary's gender is meticulously not specified, as far as I can tell.

Right.  Hilary is famous for that.  I didn't know whether Jeff had
noticed yet.  It was Miriam Nadel who first put me onto these books
and she mentioned that as a point of interest.  I'm betting that you
can read them for quite a while without even noticing.

 >And I can't figure out how old Hilary is, either.  Somehow Hilary
 >would have to be in the movie only as a voice, or the back of a head
 >or something.  It would be quite a challenge.

The lack of definition adds to the generalized sexual innuendo, I
think.  I'm not sure just how age factors into any of this.  I've
pretty much decided that Professor Tamar isn't all that much older
than the rest of the legal crowd because otherwise they wouldn't all
spend so much joyous time together, but now and again I rework them
all in my mind and let things settle into a very different pattern.

I've seen only three books in this series; I'd love to see more!






-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Those Big Northern People (was Re: outing the stars)
Date: 17 Apr 1992 10:11:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <kuu18qINNgtf@mizar.usc.edu> 
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

> Well you're taking taking *mine*, honey.

I was distracted.  I meant to write that you're not taking mine.
Sheesh.  That'll teach me to talk on the phone and type at the
same time.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: Jason Donovan
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:50:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.214927.2073@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>In <1992Apr7.155213.18296@acuson.com> thomas@acuson.com writes:
>
>> (Why a three-year old issue of "Smash Hits" is in my closet is left
>> as an exercise for the reader.)
>
>...because the coffee table is already covered with Teen Beat magazines?
>
>(flees)

Not on the coffee table, at any rate.  But I do seem to remember something
about Chris having 20 or so magazines hidden in the apartment, each of
which has Luke Perry and/or Jason Priestly on the cover.  Or wasn't I
supposed to reveal this to the world at large?  ;-)

-- 
Michael Bryan	        michael@resonex.com
This offer law where prohibited by void.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Reduce AIDS Funding
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:38:27 GMT

In article <29E5DF2E.13162@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>I *am* surprised to see this coming from JFH -- he's usually a
>reasonable person in my experience.

This is God's way of punishing all of us for my disinviting Clay Bond
from my machine.  Haugh was only reasonable when Bond was there to let
him know when he was being an idjit.  He's over the edge now...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer