HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Jim Jagielski <jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Just in case...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72573DECB012C01@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19: 12:46 GMT
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:15:01 GMT

jagubox will be unavailable on Nov 11... network access
will be reenabled by Nov 12, in the early am.
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    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: A simple mail notifier hybrid application
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:50:15 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: redondo.sw.stratus.com

Couldn't you have a resource for the notifier which contains the last
modified date/time of the mailbox and update it each time you've told
the user something?

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#include <std_disclaimer.h>

Dan S.
From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: POLL: Which tape drive to buy?
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:02:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Nov10.030249.24002
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <Mike_Peters-091192101836@kohlsranch.az.stratus.com> Mike_Peters@vos.stratus.com (Mike Peters) writes:
>Just when you thought the polls were over...
>
>I'm contemplating the purchase of a tape drive for my Mac to use with A/UX
>and the MacOS.  I have two primary goals:
>
>1.	Compatibility with other Unix systems.
>
>2. Speed and capacity.
>
>I'm most familiar with DC6000 compatible drives, however, I understand that
>4mm DAT and 8mm drives are becoming more popular and hold more data.
>
>Keeping goal #1 in mind, would I be better off with a QIC DC6000 drive or
>should I look into one of the newer formats?
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Peters                           VOS Mail: Mike_Peters@vos.stratus.com
>Consulting Systems Engineer          Unix Mail: mp@az.stratus.com
>Stratus Computer, Inc.              Voice Mail: (602) 852-3002
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Im not sure on the compatability issue, but you should price drives and
tapes for the number of tapes you want.  Random pricing for me turned
up $800 or so for a QIC drive, and $50 per 525MB tape.  It takes like
6G worth of backup before it hits the breakeven point with DAT.

While people are addressing the tape issue, which DAT drives do y'all
prefer?  Im looking for a drive that will work with A/UX, Windows NT,
VMS and NeXTstep (nothing like low volume oddballs eh? :-)   -Steve
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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"You might just have to waste your life just to live."  - Soul Asylum
From: Mike_Peters@vos.stratus.com (Mike Peters)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: POLL: Which tape drive to buy?
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:20:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: kohlsran.Mike_Peters-091192101836
Followup-To: comp.unix.aux
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kohlsranch.az.stratus.com

Just when you thought the polls were over...

I'm contemplating the purchase of a tape drive for my Mac to use with A/UX
and the MacOS.  I have two primary goals:

1.	Compatibility with other Unix systems.

2. Speed and capacity.

I'm most familiar with DC6000 compatible drives, however, I understand that
4mm DAT and 8mm drives are becoming more popular and hold more data.

Keeping goal #1 in mind, would I be better off with a QIC DC6000 drive or
should I look into one of the newer formats?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Peters                           VOS Mail: Mike_Peters@vos.stratus.com
Consulting Systems Engineer          Unix Mail: mp@az.stratus.com
Stratus Computer, Inc.              Voice Mail: (602) 852-3002
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: erwin@cs.kun.nl (Erwin Donderdorp)
Subject: Re: Desktop file's getting screwed up, What to do?
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:57:03 GMT

>>bob@beamlab.ps.uci.edu (bob prohaska) writes:
>>>Recently my aux 3.0 system has started losing things like document and
>>>program icons, and disconnecting aliases left on the desktop.  
>>>Rebuilding the desktop seems to help for a day or two, then icons revert
>>>to their generic form and creating applications can't be found.

And that's 4. It happened to me only today!
All new items created or moved to the desktop had their icons disappear,
the original items were not lost however.
My fix was to remove my complete personal .mac directory (after I had
moved my wordprocessing and spreadsheet documents from the deskrtop
folder to a safe location that is!).
The next time I logged in everything worked fine (not the previous 5
logins before I did this)

Also early this morning I added a 4th harddisk to my system. Perhaps the
A/UX finder was a little bit upset about this?

Erwin



This post has nothing to do with Nijmegen university, I'm just a guest.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: Arguments to daemons in /etc/servers
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:02:09 GMT

In article <REUVEN.92Nov4100728@vongole.mit.edu> reuven@the-tech.mit.edu writes:
>Does anyone know how to set arguments to daemons started in
>/etc/servers? I'm running a WAIS server on my A/UX 3.0 box, and the
>server program can take an argument that specifies a logfile. The man
>page says that fields in /etc/servers are separated by blank space,
>but doesn't say whether you can use double quotes to run commands with
>arguments. Can this be done? Or should I run the thing from /etc/rc?
>
>Reuven

I'm pretty sure you can't do this from /etc/servers.  I think you need
to make an entry in /etc/inittab for it.  I was having some trouble a
while back with automounter on DECstations trying to mount A/UX
partitions, and needed to add an option to the mountd.  Putting it in
/etc/servers did not work, but /etc/inittab did.  I'm giving you this
from memory, so I may be slightly off, but I think this is basically
right.
-- 
Marc Fraioli
mfraioli@grebyn.com	        	(So I'm a minimalist...)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: rbg@dsgis.dsg.ti.com (robert gordon)
Subject: Will the radius rocket/33 work ?
Keywords: mac/ii aux rocket
Reply-To: rbg@dsgis.dsg.ti.com (robert gordon)
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:41:44 GMT

I am in the process of working up an upgrade for my MAC II to allow 
it to run AUX 3.0. 

Has anyone had experience with any of the radius rocket products with 
a MAC II and AUX ? 
Thanks,

    +---------------------------------------------------------------+
       Robert B Gordon               E-Mail: rbg@dsgis.dsg.ti.com
       Texas Instruments Inc.        Voice : (512) 250-7800
       P.O Box 149149,               TI-MSG: RBG
       Austin, TX              Mail Station: 2204
    +---------------------------------------------------------------+
From: cstruble@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Craig 'Copier Man' Struble)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Arguments to daemons in /etc/servers
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:19:02 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli) writes:

>In article <REUVEN.92Nov4100728@vongole.mit.edu> reuven@the-tech.mit.edu writes:
>>Does anyone know how to set arguments to daemons started in
>>/etc/servers? I'm running a WAIS server on my A/UX 3.0 box, and the
>>server program can take an argument that specifies a logfile. The man
>>page says that fields in /etc/servers are separated by blank space,
>>but doesn't say whether you can use double quotes to run commands with
>>arguments. Can this be done? Or should I run the thing from /etc/rc?
>>
>>Reuven

>I'm pretty sure you can't do this from /etc/servers.  I think you need
>to make an entry in /etc/inittab for it.  I was having some trouble a
>while back with automounter on DECstations trying to mount A/UX
>partitions, and needed to add an option to the mountd.  Putting it in
>/etc/servers did not work, but /etc/inittab did.  I'm giving you this
>from memory, so I may be slightly off, but I think this is basically
>right.
>-- 
>Marc Fraioli
>mfraioli@grebyn.com	        	(So I'm a minimalist...)

There are a couple of ways to do this. The easiest, but possibly insecure
way is just to create an executable script and run the server with
the necessary arguments from within the script. I've done this with 
pidentd-2.0 successfully.

Another way, which I haven't tried, but should be possible, is to write
a small C program which just execs the server with the arguments.
	See ya later,
-- 
       IDEAL - Interface Design Environment and Analysis Lattice
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Undergraduate Researcher                 | cstruble@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Va. Tech HCI Project                     | cstruble@toaster.async.vt.edu(SLIP)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: 'tc'... Here it is!
Summary: "Official" release of new 'tc'
Keywords: tape device driver
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:20:24 GMT

Well, I worked over the weekend and have completed the final touches
to the new 'tc' tape device driver... It's no longer beta! This is
the official one: version 3.00

NOTES for Golden version of 'tc' (version 3.00).

	o 'mt' has been fixed... it didn't correctly report
	  the "Generic" tape drive as such (it called it
	  "Unknown").
	o In 'mt', 'eom' has been changed to 'eod'
	o Tracing has been changed... errors are always printed
	  out. This makes much more sense as well as giving the
	  user _some_ idea of what happened to 'tc'
	o During RESET or during Unit Attention, 'tc' will perform
	  retries instead of just assuming EIO... (unless the
	  sensecode is that the media's changed).
	o Tape drives report different numbers for Request Block
	  Address... some have block 0 at BOT, others start with block
	  1. Also, most (all?) report the _next_ block in response
	  to Req. Blck. Addr. not the current block (which is what
	  'tc' wants). This has been worked around... Still, 'mt'
	  may report 1 as the physical block number at BOT for
	  some untested drives. If so, please let me know and
	  I can change this (which is arguably a picky point).
	  (I know that Archives and WangDATs report the next
	  block number and start at 0, so they should be Okay...
	  I'm not so sure about the WangTEK or HP units... from
	  what I have, it appears that they're the same but I
	  haven't incorporated that into 'tc' yet.
	o Well, I've bitten the bullet. 'tc' can now read or write
	  at the tape drive's own physical block size and not
	  require 8k blocking. Doing so, which requires fiddling
	  some minor device number bits and using mknod (see tc.1.Z),
	  results in a big performance hit and isn't really
	  recommended. Unless you really, _really_, REALLY need to
	  do so, stay with the 8k blocking.

I wish to thank all the beta testers as well as a great big thanks to
Apple for helping me out.

As always, comments, suggestions and experience are welcome.

NEWtc.tar.Z is available here on jagubox via anon-ftp. As always, I
can email it if need be.

Enjoy.

-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren

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    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
From: drwho@pandoras.path.med.ufl.edu (Robert Rainer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Mail Notifacation App
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:10:08 GMT
Distribution: comp


 Hello:

	Some one mentioned a mail notifacation app that looks for your
Unix mail.  That program did not seem to make it to my mailer.  Can some
kind soul please mail me a copy of the app, since I think it would be 
very useful.

thanks--rr

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: PF1 in Command Terminal
From: denny@alisa.com (Bob Denny)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:24:29 GMT
Organization: Alisa Systems, Inc.

I have a problem with the Command Terminal VT emulation. When a new window
is created, then it is used to telnet into a VAX/VMS system and run EDT or
EVE (editors), the keypad acts correctly except for the PF1 (GOLD) key. On
the Mac extended keyboard, the key is marked "clear", and when you press
it, it seems to refresh the entire desktop instead of sending the escape
sequence for PF1. 

In order to stimulate the correct behavior, it is necessary to go into
Preferences/Active Window Settings..., then press the Terminal Settings...
button, then click on the keyboard icon, then OK out of all of the dialogs
created by this process. After that, the keypad PF1 key acts normally.

Is there a workaround for this? 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Robert B. Denny                                           voice: (818) 792-9474
Alisa Systems, Inc.                                         fax: (818) 792-4068
Pasadena, CA                         (denny@alisa.com, ..uunet!alisa.com!denny)
From: root@trebor.uucp (Bob Stockler)
Subject: Re: ksh alias export
Organization: Bob Stockler
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 22:51:44 GMT

calyx.corp <calyx.corp@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:

>How can you export aliases in the korn shell to a subshell
>that is created with ksh.   I tried some tricks with the 
>SHELL environment variable and to no avail.  

1) Put the alias definitions in a file (conventionally, "$HOME/.kshrc",
   but the name is not "special" to the KornShell).

2) Set and export the parameter ENV to contain the full pathname of the
   file in 1), above.  Do this in "/etc/profile", "$HOME/.profile", or
   wherever it is convenient, so that ENV is in the user's environment.

3) Whenever an instance of the KornShell is started up, the file named
   in ENV will be read and executed as though it were a "dot" file, and
   the results will be available in that subshell's environment.

I am new to the KornShell, but at my present level of understanding, I
believe this to be correct.  I'll appreciate knowing if it's off base.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
From: cjw@moo.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Wargaski)
Subject: Re: New mail?
Keywords: mail, csh
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:19:05 GMT

micah@carson.u.washington.edu (Micah Anderson) writes:

>How can I find out if I have new mail and when I do run my shell script?
>I cannot use .filter, so would something like:

>test -s /usr/spool/mail/$USER
>if (status == 0) then
>script
>endif

>would this be a good idear? (adding in a sleep and then running it again..)

>any suggestions?

If you are using elm, why not use newmail?  If not, how about biff?


cjw

Christopher Wargaski
Response Center
Distributed Systems Services
Academic Computing and Network Services

c-wargaski@nwu.edu

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that we ought to control our thoughts.''  --Charles Darwin
From: a-douglas@uchicago.edu (Allen Douglas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: echo question
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:56:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Nov9.225645.15680
Organization: U of C  Law School

In article <1992Nov9.171618.5675@midway.uchicago.edu>,I write:
> 
> I would like to echo tab and line return characters to the screen and/or 
> understandto a file. But I must not the escaping/quoting mechanism.  According
> to my UNIX reference I should be able to type:
> 
> quads% echo Bob'\t\t'cat
> and get:
> Bob        cat
> 
> unfortunately I get:
> quads% echo Bob'\t\t'cat
> Bob\t\tcat

Thanks for the e-mail.  The shell I am using is sh, but the problem seems
to be the fact that I am using Berkley unix instead of system V. Thanks to
Bruce Barnett for this workaround:


you are using the Berkley version of echo, which does not understand
'\t'

tr does.

echo 'X' | tr 'X" '\t'

also - put the tab in the shell script file...
echo 'X							X'
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.questions
From: eric@egsner.cirr.com (Eric Schnoebelen)
Subject: Re: Bourne Shell Programming Considered Harmful
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:47:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.191253*Harald.Eikrem@delab.sintef.no>
				 Harald.Eikrem@delab.sintef.no writes:
- Well, I'd say it does NOT work very well, especially when having to deal
- with that Bourne shell DEC has been providing their customers with over the
- years in Ultrix.  Has it been updated at all since 4.2BSD --> Ultrix 1.1?
- 
- And for you Tom C., same thing goes for Convex Computer.

	Sounds like you had better contact your Convex field
office for the ConvexOS 10.0 release/upgrade.  10.0 includes a
System V, release 2 sh. It has also been widely available since
July. (FYI: ConvexOS 10.1 is the current release.)

-- 
Eric Schnoebelen		eric@cirr.com 		schnoebe@convex.com
		Q: What is small and yellow and very dangerous?
		A: A canary with the super-user password!
From: tibbs@math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Bourne shell references?
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:04:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: karazm.TIBBS.92Nov10000412
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: Blob Shop Programmers

Is there a Bourne shell reference thingy similar to the VI reference that
is floating around?  How about a programming guide?  The man page really
doesn't fit the bill for either of these.  (SunOS 4.1.3)

Thanks,
--
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System Administrator:  University of Houston Mathematics Department
 Houston Centers for Advanced Scientific and Molecular Computation
Blob Shop Programmers: Database consulting and graphics programming
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
From: bateman@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Monte Bateman)
Subject: TCSH wanted for an *old* sun3!
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:14:50 GMT
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory
From: 946753@arniew.llnl.gov (Arnie Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: Excellent Book!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:03:37 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Lab

If you need an Excellent Book on Korn shell Programming, I suggest "KornShell 
Programming Tutorial" by Barry Rosenberg.  It is one of the best programming
tutorial book I have every read it is full of examples. This book also make an
excellent working reference.

I disclaim!!!!!!
Arnold Weinstein
L.L.N.L
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
From: jeff@neon.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)
Subject: Re: Am I writing to a tty or pipe?
Reply-To: jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:34:56 GMT

eddjp@dinowine.huber.com (Dewey Paciaffi) writes:

>Is there a way to determine from within a Bourne shell script if
>the output is being written to a tty or a pipe?


By example:

if [ -t 1 ] ; then
	echo "Stdout is a tty"
else
	echo "Stdout is a pipe"
fi

	-Jeff
-- 
Jeff Beadles		jeff@onion.rain.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
From: cs331333@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs331333)
Subject: ftp querry 
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:27:56 GMT

	Does anyone now of a shell script that would allow me to
continually query an ftp site for entrance.  Some sites only allow
very limited access, 1 or 2 people, and I'd like a program that
could just run along in the background.  Or one that I could
contrab at 3 in the morning and have it look around, and get things
that I select for the next night.  (Robocomm where are you? <grin>)
					Joe
From: vick@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Mikael Lundgren)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
Subject: How to quote '~' in Zsh?
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:31:57 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

Well, the subject says it all. I have in my .zshrc the line
FIGNORE='.bak':'.o'

which tells Zsh to ignore files with these suffixes when doing
completion. I would like to add '~' as well, but I can't come
up with a way to quote this properly.
~ gives my homedir.
'~' and "~" also expands to my homedir.
\~ gives \~, and ~~ gives ~~.

Help!



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From: twp@rand.mel.cocam.oz.au (Tony Payne CSD)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: RM LOGIC
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:59:18 GMT
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz

>Someone told me in private mail that their find has a -ctime switch.
>Big deal.  "ctime" is not *creation* time; it is *inode change* time.
>I have yet to see a Unix-like O/S that has a *creation* time (and I've
>been hacking Unix since 1977).

Nor have I ever seen a UNIX beastie like that. It seems to boil down to the
fact that most files don't ever have their inode changed, except when they are
created. So in most cases inode change time corresponds to creation time.
Just another idiotic historical hangover.

Cheers

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From: puchalek@skynyrd.rutgers.edu (michael)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions
Subject: 2nd time:How to remove files?
Keywords: remove, unix, corefiles
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:41:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.questions
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I posted this article in comp.unix.questions with a narrow
distribution, so I am reposting with a wider range. If you see it
twice, sorry.

I keep getting files added to my working directory such as 'xerrors'
and '.nfs***'. If I put a line in my .login that says 'rm xerrors', a
'xerrors:no such file' message appears every time I log in. If I leave
the 'rm xerrors' line out of my .login, the 'xerrors' file starts to
show up in my root directory.  The '.nfs***' files appear whenever I
am working in the text editor, emacs in this case. I have uncommented 
the line 'limit coredumpsize 0' in my .login.  Any suggestions? If it is 
more convenient to email, that's fine.

		Thanks,
			Mike Puchalek
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell