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From: olav@eddy.gmd.de (Olav Schettler)
Subject: Re: BSD for Apollo Domain Series
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:33:36 GMT
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jesse@mars.slu.edu wrote:
: Hello
: 	Question:
: 	
: 	Is there away to take a domain series workstation say a 4500 and 
: 	run straight BSD on it.....Either by compiling it using the apollo
: 	compiler or are there binaries out there for this....
: 
: 	Please respond with a mail message to:
: 				
: 						tutterrowjg@sluvca.slu.edu
: 						reavesga@pollux.slu.edu
I think indead a very sensible question. I thought of that and would like
to find a solution, too. (My apollo 3500 is so unconprehensibly slooow,
considering that it has a 68030 + math processor + 16MB, which should
be a decent setup for a single user workstation with X11)

Any pointers are gratefully appreciated,
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From: thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com (jt -- John Thompson)
Subject: re: First init error and then self tests failed...
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:43:21 GMT
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> This is a DN10000 with one CPU trying to run Domain OS 10.3.  
> What's happened is that the machine wouldn't boot, but would die in
> pg$init with a crash_status of 00270001.
> ...
> From that point on, we got a consistent Self Tests Failed, on Memory Test #5
> (slot 7, memory module 0).  The message was 'Unexpected SP bus error 
> referencing 08000008' and the DN10000 status display has a flashing
> 5.7.2.0. after the error.  I tried bypassing our UPS (thinking the power
> supply might be low) and vacuuming out all the dust bunnies (there were a
> lot!).  Nothing helped, however, and after powering back up we got the
> same excat message.
> 
> Any ideas on what we could try next?

The original status code (270001) is "Undefined VME Interrupt."  While there
are probably lots of ways to get this, I saw most of them when our power
supplies were flaking out.  After you have a crash, take the right-hand side 
(as you face the machine) off, and check the LEDs on the power supply (the bottom
board in the X-bus).  There should be a handy interpreter's guide to the LEDs on
or near the supply board too.  If you have 5V or 12V undervoltage, you will soon
need a new supply.  You might want to take the board out, remove the slide-in
power bricks, and clean the contacts (some people have had good luck with this).

If you have more than one memory board, you might want to pull the board in 
slot 7 and try again.  If things succeed, then you really do have a bad RAM board
(this doesn't explain the 270001 status though).

-- jt --
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Senior Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
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From: agate!spool.mu.edu!cserver!edsi!chuck@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Re: wbak
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:57:14 GMT
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schlue@danetda.UUCP (Holger Schlueter) writes:

:)Does anyone know if an implementation of the utility "wbak" does exist
:)for non-apollo workstations (e.g. sun) or is it possible to get the
:)source code for implementing it on my own? Any information about the
:)internal data format would be of interest, too.

I don't believe (or haven't heard of) anyone is planning to continue the
wbak program, however HP has claimed that they would be coming out with
an rbak for HP-UX machines to read Apollo wbak/rbak format tapes.  HP
will most likely support the same medias they have all along; QIC, 4mm
DAT, and 9 track.  Unfortunately HP never saw 8mm as an option, whereas
our site relies on them quite heavily.

Am I upset that HP won't have a product to allow me to read my years
worth of archives and backups?  No, because a company known as
Workstation Solutions in Nashua NH has a similar product (rbak for Unix)
which will read 8mm plus all the other medias that HP supports.  Chances
are when our last few Domain/OS machines go down for the count we will
be purchasing this software to be able to restore our data and perhaps
rewrite it in a more current format.

I believe WS is coming out with rbak for HP-UX (since that will be our
primary target platform as we transition away from Domain/OS), however
they are targeting other platforms with their products and it wouldn't
surprise me if they also had a version for the Sun, IBM, and DEC
platforms.
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From: stanford.edu!lucid.com!lnz@uunet.uu.net  (Leonard N. Zubkoff)
Subject: Re: Maxtor Optical Disk on Apollo
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:19:54 GMT
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In article <1jotsuINNg84@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com> s_rickus@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com (Stephen H. Rickus) writes:
   In article <1993Jan21.135809.9748@email.tuwien.ac.at>, mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach) writes:
   >   I have now been trying for quite some time to connect a Maxtor
   > Tahiti 1 magneto-optical disk drive to our Apollos. So far, without
   > success. All I could do is make scsi_info actually find the drive.
   > But invol claims "no controller found", and mount says "device busy".
   > It just seems impossible...

   Next time you post, please include enough information that someone can
   help you without having to derive your configuration from the symptoms
   of the problem. Model numbers and OS revision levels at least.

   If you are trying to use an Apollo DN series machine then yes, it is
   impossible. Although there is a WD7000 disk controller board with
   external SCSI port, this board will only drive certain types of tape
   drives.

Note quite correct.  The DN2500 supports SCSI disks including magneto-opticals.
I beta tested this beast for Apollo a few years back.  It is the only DN series
to directly support SCSI disks.

		Leonard
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From: destroyer!news.itd.umich.edu!pisa.citi.umich.edu!rees@gatech.edu  (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: How can one name a file '~' ?
Organization: University of Michigan CITI
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:11:15 GMT
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In article <C166Mp.7yy@boi.hp.com>, alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) writes:

  from my HP-UX 8.07 ksh, 

Can we please keep the HPukers out of here?  Maybe we should rename this
newsgroup to comp.sys.domain-os.
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From: agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!gsbg9079@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (G. Scott Braley)
Subject: Re: Hooking a PC up to a DN4000
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:26:31 GMT
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chris@zeus.alta-oh.com (Chris Murphy) writes:
>I assume the PC is is a long way from the Apollo, as you mentioned
>the use of a modem/phone line. I've used KERMIT locally (i.e. direct
>serial connection from PC to Apollo) at 9600 baud with no problems.
>I assume a modem connection will work just as well.

Actually, the PC will be right next to the apollo.  What I want to do is to download large
files onto the school machines, tar them to a tape, untar them onto my machine at home, and
transfer them to my PC.  This sounds goofy, but I think it will work, and my wife will not
be, um, annoyed by my tying up the phone lines for hours on end.

				-Scott

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From: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies)
Subject: bsd lpr services
Keywords: lpr lpd remote printing
Reply-To: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
Organization: I.Physikalisches Institut RWTH-Aachen
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:45:46 GMT
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I have established remote printing (bsd style) in /etc/printcap.
No I wanted to test it and said:

lpr file

What I get is:

lpr: The default printing user does not exist

Any idea, what I have to do to enable this?

Another problem still persists:

I was able to do a rgy_create on my new installed 10.3 so I can use root and user.

Then I was looking for a way to anable the old registry data again. The only thing I could do so far was a brute force way to replace the old
saved /somewhere/SYS/sys/registry to /sys/registry with prior deleting of the
newly created registry tree.

What are the correct steps to perform to obtain a working registry.
Now I always get the error mnessage at login that network registry could not be used, using local registry instead.

--
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Christoph P. U. Kukulies
kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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From: pipex!warwick!uknet!mucs!m1!nigelw@uunet.uu.net  (Nigel Whitaker)
Subject: HP Vue on DN3000? (or `DN3000 as a home machine')
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:23:55 GMT
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I've recently bought myself a home computer.
A DN3000 -- 4megs RAM, 170 Disc, floppy, ethernet, TokenRing, 1280bw.
(I bought it at an auction and at GBP 200 it seemed a much
better buy than most of the 286 PCs that were in my
price range).

At the moment its running 10.3 (with the shared X/dm), but I'm
thinking of expanding/improving it.

Here are some questions I've got, but I'd also welcome any
general advice please (anyone else running one of these at home??):

What are my chances of upgrading to 10.4 (I'm looking for a
later/better X server), or should I get the update PSK thingy or try
the MIT server?  Is 10.4 more of a memory hog than 10.3?  Could it run
HP Vue in 4 meg (I know it works with 8)?

What options do I have for tape media.  I don't think its got
the later WD controller with SCSI interface, so am I limited
to the apollo cartridge.  What exactly is the apollo
cartridge drive?  Was it specially made for apollo?

Can any PC / SCSI interface cards be used, do I need a driver?

Anyone want to swap a token ring board(s) for other bits such
as memory or tape?

Should I sell it and try to get a 386 PC?

Any answers/advice welcomed.

Thanks,

Nigel

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From: David Krowitz <krowitz@quake.mit.edu>
        enterpoop.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!sun4nl!dutrun!donau!dutentb!antoon@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re:  Followup Adding a second disk etc ...
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:20:57 GMT
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Ummm, let's see ... I was only talking about the ESDI disk connectors
(of which there should be three). The WD7000 board is a multifunction
board that also includes a floppy controller and an SCSI controller
(which, unfortunately, is only supported for tape devices by the OS).

A lot of things are "unsupported", but will still work. I've only
dealt with dual 350-Mb or dual 760-Mb multiple disks ... so I can't
vouch for a mixed configuration, but it might work.

== Dave
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From: David Krowitz <krowitz@tremor.mit.edu>
Subject: cleaning kits for magneto-optical drives?
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:23:41 GMT
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Does anyone know of any sort of cleaning kit for the
Sony rewritable (magneto-optical) disk drives? A couple
of our drives are beginning to have trouble loading the
heads when a new platter is inserted. When I open up
the external case, there's a lot of very fine dust
that has accumulated in the drive mechanism. Blowing it
out doesn't work (it seems to be firmly attached). I'd
wipe it out by hand, but the drive doesn't openup without
complete disassembly. Is there anything similar to the
cleaning kits you can get for CDROM's?

== Dave Krowitz
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From: nwnexus!lampi@uunet.uu.net  (Michael Lampi)
Subject: Re: Logging in after install
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:13:23 GMT
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system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson)) writes:

>In article <1jo9tgINNqqe@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de writes:
>>How can I login as root or privileged user at this point? user -apollo- does
>>not give me su access.
[...stuff deleted...]
> One thing I do is force the local registry on each system
>to be updated every night so you can always login to a node whose
>network adaptor has failed - the local registry times out the accounts
>after 21 (?) days, so if you haven't logged in for a while, you won't be
>able to do so when you really need to (I do a '/etc/edrgy -synch',
>after expanding the local registry to hold enough accounts). This won't
>help when you invol, but it also gives you a complete copy of the real
>registry in the local registry.

Is that what you do? Gee, I had a similar problem, except I set the
calendar back to 1985, logged in as root, tried to set up a good &
proper registry, and found that I couldn't. (Also found that invol under
10.4 won't work with the calendar set to 1985, either :-) Anyway,
I finally edited the local registry file using the db debugger, changing
the expiration date of the accounts I wanted to 'never'. This works
quite well even if I don't have a master registry.

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From: bcstec!schultz@uunet.uu.net  (Robert A. Schultz)
Subject: Re: How can one name a file '~' ?
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:24:13 GMT
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Jim Rees (rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu) wrote:
: In article <C166Mp.7yy@boi.hp.com>, alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) writes:

:   from my HP-UX 8.07 ksh, 

: Can we please keep the HPukers out of here?  Maybe we should rename this
: newsgroup to comp.sys.domain-os.

Never-the-less, something like "date > \~" **should** work.  Under Domain it 
does not.  Maybe someone can explain to me why not?
-- 
Rob Schultz                   | If you think my opinions reflect those
Boeing Computer Services      | of The Boeing Company then you have not 
schultz@bcstec@atc.boeing.com | read many of these disclaimers...
From: uchdcc!uconce!halcon!mmedina@uunet.uu.net (Mario Medina C.)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: PKzip for apollo
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:54:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile

Michael T Pins (mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu) wrote:
>mmedina@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Mario Medina C.) writes:
>
>>Willem Jan Withagen (wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl) wrote:
>->In article <1885@ddbeano.Dundee.NCR.COM> chris@ddbeano.Dundee.NCR.COM (Chris Ashmole) writes:
>->=>
	[Lots of unnecessary stuff deleted]
>
>My what a mess we have above....
>Last September, Info-Zip released new versions of zip/unzip (1.9 and 5.0
>respectfully) that were to be compatible with the new pkzip 2.xx that was
>supposed to be released RSN.  Well, the new pkzip finally was released a few
>weeks ago, and by all reports still has a number of annoying bugs.
>Info-Zip's unzip5.0 will uncompress everything that the pkzip compresses, and
>is fully backward compatible, so it's safe to install.
>Info-Zip's zip1.9 compresses with the new pkzip format unavailable before
>pkzip2.xx, so unless you have the latest (and still buggy) pkzip, don't use
>zip1.9, use the previous version (who's number I don't recall offhand).
>All of the above Info-Zip versions are available on grind.isca.uiowa.edu in the
>unix/arc-progs area.
>
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	To further mess things up, Info-Zip's unzip5.0 wasn't 100%
compatible with pkzip 2.04c, so they wrote a patched version called
unzip50p1 which presumes to uncompress anything compressed by pkzip
2.04c. I understand it appeared only last week.
	IMHO, Info-zip's products have proven to be reliable and very
well written.Also, they can run in Atari, DOS, Unix, Mac, VMS Amiga and
Windows NT (?!) machines, so maybe you could make without PkZips
products altogether and install Info-Zip everywhere.
  
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From: mcsun!dxcern!vxcrna.cern.ch!roeber@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: How can one name a file '~' ?
Organization: CERN -- European Organization for Nuclear Research
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:26:45 GMT
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In article <5daf606f.1bc5b@pisa.citi.umich.edu>, rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees) writes:
> Can we please keep the HPukers out of here?  Maybe we should rename this
> newsgroup to comp.sys.domain-os.

Nah, think about how much nostalgic fun we can have teasing the poor
HP-Suckers who stumble in here by mistake about the primitive operating
system they have to struggle with..

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From: nwnexus!lampi@uunet.uu.net  (Michael Lampi)
Subject: Re: Maxtor Optical Disk on Apollo
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:55:37 GMT
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mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach) writes:

>  I have now been trying for quite some time to connect a Maxtor
>Tahiti 1 magneto-optical disk drive to our Apollos. So far, without
>success. All I could do is make scsi_info actually find the drive.
>But invol claims "no controller found", and mount says "device busy".
>It just seems impossible...

>  Yesterday, I plugged the drive into our DEC -- and it worked on
>first try (well, almost -- but it is fairly easy). So much for HP's
>conception of an "open system"...

>	mjl

I had one of these in my hands for a little while and ran into the
same problems on a DN-2500. It's due to the response from the
Tahiti to the Apollo's SCSI Inquiry command, and the non-recognition
of the device by the boot firmware. If the boot firmware doesn't
like the device, then invol will not find it.

You might try putting a TenX OCU in between the Tahiti and the SCSI
bus. I've heard rumors that this works on 400's (maybe HP-UX, but
that's another story).

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From: enterpoop.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!Germany.EU.net!urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de!acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de!kuku@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Christoph Kukulies)
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Subject: registry problems
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:59:30 GMT
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I installed 10.3 again on my node with some problems with getting a registry
with the default accounts (root, etc.) running at all (with the kind help of
some netters).

I wanted to get back to my old registry which I had save in a tree on an external disk.

I performed the folloing steps:

rgy_admin
state -in_maintenance
quit

then I moved the /sys/registry tree to /sys/REGISTRY_DEFAULT and copied the
save registry tree (with all my user information) to /sys/registry.

After that I did

rgy_admin
state -not_in_maintenence
quit

Logged out.

logged in as root with the password I had formerly (this was showing that
the local registry was taken) but the rgyd is no longer running. 

/usr/adm/rgyd_error_log tells me 

Entry not found
Cannot initialize server database

Any idea how I can come back to a runnung rgyd?

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From: nwnexus!lampi@uunet.uu.net  (Michael Lampi)
Subject: Re: Followup Adding a second disk etc ...
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:55:28 GMT
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antoon@dutentb.et.tudelft.nl (Antoon Frehe) writes:

>Hi,

>Thanks for all the replies. i must admit, i'd seen this jumper program
>somewhere before, but now i just hadn't thought of it.

>I haven't tried everything yet, but people are starting to complain the
>Apollo is too often of the air because i'm busy playing with it's disks.
>There's a few strange things. When i use the jumper program, the layout of
>the WD7000 board doesn't look a bit like the my WD7000V-ASE (to be exact).

You have the WD7000 board of which we all speak.

>Also David Krowitz says the WD7000 has 3 connectors. Mine has 4.
>2 34 pin connectors and 2 20 pin connectors. Is it so that i have to
>chain the cables from one disk to the other or cab or must i use 
>seperate cables from the controller to the disks?

The other 34 pin connector is for a floppy drive.

>Most disturbing however is a line from the jumper program when i look
>at the Micropolis 155 Mb drive. It reads..

>155 Mb Drives are Not Supported for Multiple Disk Configuration.

Supported is not always the same as "works with".

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