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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Dallas *ices* the 49'ers (or not?)
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 18:33:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.154559.22300@aero.org>, mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>THE TRADE:  Charles Haley of the 49'ers to Dallas for a #2 pick and a
>conditional pick.
>
>THE STATS: LB/DE extrordinaire, former defensive MVP (1990), 3 time
>probowler, 49'ers sack leader last season (tied), 2nd among sackers in
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                 Big deal!
>the past 3 years (33.5 behind R.White's 41).  16 sacks in 1990.
>
>THE PLAYER: Described by some as the best defensive player on the
>49'ers.  Others say that the defense is built around him, a hybrid
>DE/LB who rushes the passes with reckless abandon..

PUKE!!!

>BEST CASE:  Haley has not lost his 1990 form and just needs a change
>of scenery.  Will play DE and outside linebacker on passing downs and
>will have 10-14 sacks while improving the Cowboys secondary
>tremendously.

DREAMER!!!

>WORST CASE:  the rumored rotator cuff surgery during the off season is
>true and Dallas has been stuck with the same trade that gave them
>Danny Stubbs and Terrence Flagler.  The rotator cuff (whether operated
>on or not) has not healed and he will be out of football in 6 months
>after 4 months on the IR.  His drop in production is a trend.  He
>brings dissension and divisiveness (<== got this word from the
>political campaigns) to the team and destroy the young teams unity.

NOW YOU'VE GOT IT!!!

>
>Comments?
>

YOU CAN HAVE HIM!!! AND THANKS FOR THE DRAFT PICKS!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:19:19 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Re-alignment of the NFL

>
Seattle, San Francisco, LA Rams, LA Raiders, San Diego.
Denver, Phoenix, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston.
Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis.
Cincinnatti, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, (Tennessee).
New England, NY Giants, NY Jets, Philadelphia, Washington.
New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Miami, (N Carolina).
>

I would almost agree with that. Try this:

West--not much doubt about this division:
Seattle, San Francisco, LA Rams, LA Raiders, San Diego.

Mountain--nor this one:
Denver, Phoenix, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston.

Central--probably the best way to do this:
Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis.

Northeast--Skins here cause they belong with Pittsburgh:
Cincinnatti, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Washington.

Atlantic--the seaboard teams:
New England(/Boston), NY Giants, NY Jets, Philadelphia, (Baltimore).

South--the sun & sweat teams:
New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Miami, (N Carolina/St.Louis/Tenn).


divisional rivalries preserved:
Sea/SD/Raiders
SF/Rams
Den/KC
Pho/Dal
Minn/GB/Chi/Det
Cin/Clev/Pitt
NYG/Phila
NE/NYJ
NO/Atl

big rivalries done away with:
Raiders v. KC/Den
NYG/Phil/Dal v. Wash
Phil/Dal
SF/Atl
Mia/Buff/NYJ
Pitt/Cle/Cin v. Houston

new rivalries:
SF/LA/LA/SD
Dal/Houston (Texas Bowl!)
Indy/Det (Car Bowl!)
Buf/Cle (Erie/Snow Bowl!)
Pitt/Wash
NY/NY
Phil/Balt
Mia/TB

--Vernon.
From: correa@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Red&Gold
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:38:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax.1992Sep3.093804.1
Organization: Sonoma State University



I think you have it mixed up.

Reality:

>Al Davis has all of the quarterbacking any NFL team needs to be 
>dancing in
>the end of January.

Fantasy:

>Al Davis would love to get the same Joe Montana that *some* Raiders fans
>look at as washed up.  Those same Raider fans would suddenly change their
>tune about ol' Joe.  Just win, baby.

Why would Al want some old washed up QB,(he already has Jay)when he 
has a second year QB who at this point is better than Montana.  Any Raider
fan who would rejoice about having ol' Joe at the Helm is not a real Raider
Fan. If there are any out there please step forward.

>Face it. You're jealous.
of what. The Niners, not really, Montana, even less.Niner Fans,HA!!

>If you met Joe, you probably would be
>speechless as you stared in awe.

Of what a hasbeen I never liked.

>Red&Gold

Get your colors straight


Silver&Black
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Weekly spoiler picks
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:46:10 GMT

In article <Bu0EsJ.5xC@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> tjehl@sedona.intel.com writes:

>NewYork Jets         over   Atlanta Falcons
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>   This week's guiding principle is to pick the flashy offense
>on opening day.  This will be the best time to take advantage
>of defenses which haven't jelled yet.  Later on in the season,
>a number of these picks would go the other way.
>

If this is the case, shouldnt Jerry (Offensive Line? Whats that?!?)
Glanville's patented Run-n-shit offense prevail in this game?

-rob


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From: ahm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Albert H Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Raiders Starting QB?
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:00:34 GMT

|> I've yet to hear who will start at QB for the Raiders.  Has Art Shell made an announcement yet?  Will it be J. Schroeder or T. Marinovich?
|> 


I haven't heard anything either, but not unusual considering the treatment
the San Jose Mercury News gives the  Raiders.  Personally I would give
Todd the start.  Let him learn.  He has the talent he just lacks experience.
Schroeder is a proven loser.  The media ( and everyone else ) is picking
the Raiders to finish 3rd or 4th in the division, and miss the playoffs.
I don't share their pessimism cause I never count the Raiders out.  But,
if Shell starts Todd, I could settle for a re-building type year to give
Todd the experience he needs.  At least it would be more exciting.

Just my 2 cents

Albert
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tickets for games in New York
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:24:47 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <1992Aug27.161419.17391@news.bucknell.edu (douglas j.) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug27.100158.29098@comp.lancs.ac.uk> (Marc Goldman) writes:
>>I'm planing on being in New York sometime late November/December time
>>and I was hoping to pick up an NFL game whilst there.
>>
>>Is it easy to pick up tickets on the day? 
>>Do the Giants and Jets sell out for there games??

>As a last resort you can scalp, but I have no idea what you'd pay.

That's the only way you will be able to see the Giants. I have no idea what you
will pay for either the $28 or $35 seats. Bring lots of $$$.

>P.S. You'd rather see a Jet's game anyway: they're more fun than the
>Giants!!! (and the fans are rowdier)

I've been to both many times and the Giant fans are (quietly) more into the
game; the Jet fans are rowdier and louder and more into their cups. 

But Doug is right. If you like fans that set fire to the stadium and force the
Meadowlands to limit the sale of beer, then the Jets are for you.
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From: brian@b11.b11.ingr.com (Brian Enright)
Subject: I Need Bears vs. Saints tickets!
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:20:50 GMT


Anybody out there know where I can get 2 Chicago Bears vs. N.O. Saints
tickets for their September 13th game?

Please send email to brian@ball_u.b24a.ingr.com.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe
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Subject: Re: KANSAS CITY/BUFFALO: TOLD YOU!
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:15:58 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
 <4dN5031t64yH00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <20AUG199200372725@mitme5.mit.edu> <1992Aug25.060045.5274@ncsu.edu>
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In article <1992Aug25.060045.5274@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>    Based upon the 35-0 sloshing of the Bills by K.C., 2 of my points were
>    proven by that performance:
>    1. Kansas City would use first stringers for most of the game,
>
Excuse me, but what game were you watching?   KC used 3 QBs, all who
threw pretty damn good against Buffalo.  They used at least 3 different
RBs, all who were chewing up yards.   Doug Terry, the DB free-agent
rookie from Kansas that got hurt, was trying to make the team.  Derrick
Thomas and Dan Salemua(sp) were without pads in the 2nd half.  And those
were just the ones I noticed.  Tell me who the starters were that played
"most of the game" [and don't forget to include Buffalo's too].

>    2. Without Cornelius Bennett and Bruce Smith, any good running back could
>       shred the Bills defense!
>
Then Buffalo better find some backups.  If a team needs these players that 
much, then they're in trouble.
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From: jwc@icf.hrb.com (John W. Cieply)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills vs K.C.
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:46:00 GMT
 <1992Aug24.162953.15083@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> <l9i5ovINNlng@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
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In article <l9i5ovINNlng@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, gerke@cs.utk.edu (Mark Gerke) writes:
> Is tonight going to be another monday night rout for K.C. over the 
> Bills?
> 
> Has K.C. been holding back as the announcers during Sundays Falcon 
> game said?
> 
> Will the recent signings make much of a difference?
> 
> Ideas, comments, bills fans?
> 
> Mark 

It's ONLY preseason. The game meant Nothing! I think the Bills have only won
at most 5 preseason games in the last 5 years. They use the preseason the way
it should be used, to evaluate the perfomance of players they plan to help 
during season. You will not see the REAL Bills team until the Season starts.

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From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:05:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug22.151755.12932@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:

>1984 Doug Flutie      Bost Col QB Chi, NE, CFL
					    ^^^ Plays for the BC Lions
>1983 Mike Rozier      Nebraska HB CFL, Hou, Atl
				   ^^^
BZZZZT.  He played for the Pittsburgh Maulers of the USFL.

>1982 Herschel Walker  Georgia  HB USFL, Dal, Minn, Phil   C E
				   ^^^^ Played for Trump's New Jersey Generals

>1981 Marcus Allen     USC      HB Rai                    B  E
>1980 George Rogers    S Carol  HB Wash                   B

Prior to coming the Skins, he played for the Saints during the early '80s.
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Dallas and Jay Novacek
Organization: University of Michigan
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Distribution: usa,local
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:19:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.183319.4223@hellgate.utah.edu> twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:

   Basically, no matter how good a TE is, he is not worth as much as a QB,
   RB, LB, or WR. Novacek is probably one of the top 5 tight ends in the league,
   and not one of those 5 is worth a #1, much less 2 picks. 

   Can anyone remember a tight end being traded for a #1? I know a couple of
   TE's have been drafted in the first round, but most the tight ends
   I see switch teams are free agents (either normal or plan B).

I think you are right about the position.  Green would get a #1, and probably
more than that.  Jackson probably would get a #1 too, as well as the two
rookies (but only because of potential).  I think thats about it.

Bill
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From: brian@elara.mitre.org (Brian Toothman)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew affect on Miami home opener??
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:08:06 GMT

It is almost a done deal that the Patriots and Dolphins will switch home
dates.  So this means that it will be Miami at New England on the 6th of
September and New England at Miami on th 27th of December.  This
makes since anyways regarding the cold weather in Boston.
-- 

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Do it again in '92
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Week 1 (REPOST)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:41:33 GMT

Week 1
------

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 4 different games.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
**** NOTE CHANGE!!!!  NE-Miami game cancelled!!!  You get 5 free points!! ****

This form is due at 10 am PDT (5 pm GMT) on Sunday, Sep 6.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

Do not remove anything below this line!

 WT  Away			Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] Cleveland		[ ] Indianapolis   
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Chicago          
[  ] [ ] LA Rams		[ ] Buffalo          
[  ] [ ] Minnesota		[ ] Green Bay      
[  ] [ ] New Orleans		[ ] Philadelphia 
[  ] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Atlanta          
[  ] [ ] Pittsburgh		[ ] Houston       
[  ] [ ] Phoenix		[ ] Tampa Bay        
[  ] [ ] San Francisco		[ ] NY Giants  
[  ] [ ] Cincinnati		[ ] Seattle       
[  ] [ ] Kansas City		[ ] San Diego    
[  ] [ ] LA Raiders		[ ] Denver        
[  ] [ ] Washington		[ ] Dallas        
                               
Initials: 

DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!

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From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 9/1/92
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:09:39
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
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In-reply-to: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil's message of 1 Sep 92 11:28:59 GMT

In article <24381@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:

=>The Redskins were prepared to lose punter Kelly Goodburn, quarterback Jeff
=>Rutledge, cornerback Johnny Thomas and tight end James Jenkins, but they
=>weren't prepared to lose running back Robert Green, receiver Stephen Hobbs,
=>center Matt Elliott or offensive tackle Mo Elewonibi.

Why was Johnny Thomas cut instead of Alvoid "Toast" Mays?  Thomas
looked quite good in preseason, while Mays was consistently beaten.
Besides, Thomas has even looked good on special teams.  All of the
other cuts seemed like good ideas -- I knew Walton wasn't going to
make the team when he blew large numbers of tackles in preseason.

ethan
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:09:50 MDT
Keywords: Satellite
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug26.145538.24786@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.175012.7047@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> paul@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Aug25.061847.5761@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>>>   What is the fascination with the NFC east?
>Darrel, here are some of my reasons:
>(these are'nt based on any stats, and I also expect disagreement from
>fellow NFC East netters as well as fans of other teams).
>Defense:
>	the best defensive line Eagles
>	the second best defensive line: GIANTS
>	the best linebackers (as a unit) the GIANTS

Maybe 5 years ago. Now the Saints have a better claim. Perhaps most highly
overrated old linebacker unit would be a better description of the Giants.


Tom
From: les@redx.washington.edu (Les Pennington)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Stupid Houston releases Bailey
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:43:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep1.144325.12123
Organization: UW Information Systems

Come on Seattle--pick him up...please.

Houston released Mario Bailey, 1st team All American wide receiver from U
of Washington, leaving only 7 wide receivers to participate in their 4
wide receiver run and shoot offense.  They are gambling that Bailey will
clear waivers and they can stockpile him on their practice squad.
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From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Minnesota RB question
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:15:54 GMT
Distribution: usa

What's the running back situation in Minnesota this year?  Will Nelson
be the starter?  Thanks.

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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Class (Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!)
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:34:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Aug26.123717.16418@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <1053@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons) writes:
>> There have been a lot of descriptive terms pinned on the Eagles, but "class"
>> ain't one of them. Can you say "Buddy" or "Andre"? I knew you could...
>
>In case you haven't heard, Buddy Ryan isn't with the Eagles anymore.  And
>how many times has Andre Waters been suspended for using those classy
>illegal substances like that hall-of-fame linebacker on your fave team?  
>

Ooo!  It hurts to do this, but I have to agree with Joe.  The Eagles of
last year, under Kotite, were a pretty classy team, all around.  The taunting
and other juvenile antics from the Ryan era pretty much disappeared.  I
was impressed by their acknowledgement of being outplayed when the Cowboys
beat them at the Vet.  It seems that they've finally figured out that
they are good enough to let their play speak for them.

They're in the Cowboy's division, though, so I still hate 'em. :^)

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Dave Krieg (was Re: KC - halftime)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:43:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.191251.24837@lsil.com> miller@lsil.com writes:
>In article 27000087@hpcc01.corp.hp.com, boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>>Its still pre-season.  Just wait till Krieg gets to play in the outdoors in
>>KC during the late fall and winter.  Chuckle snort.
>>
>
>Well I know Dave Krieg, being in the AFC-WEST when he played for Seattle, has played in Arrowhead before.  I do not know how many where in cold weather but I'm sure there had to be a few.  Do you or anybody have his record for Arrowhead when he was with S
>eattle? 
>Also I'm pretty sure he played his college ball somewhere in Wisconsin which must be just as cold.  The only problem I haveseen with Krieg thru the years is with his fumbling, which he seems to be able to do in any climate. 

   True, Dave played his college ball at now defunct Milton college in 
   Wisconsin. I'm sure he's used to the cold.

   --salty

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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: Amp Lee (Other ideas)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:34:44 GMT

In article <2908.370.uupcb@brent.uucp> al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo)  writes:
>Here are a few of the other players in the league who have been 
>underrated because they are not fast.
>
>Chris Carter, WR: Not drafted until round 4, and eventually cut by the
>Eagles  after a few seasons because then wanted quicker (though less effective)
>receivers.

	This I think is the one stupid move the Eagles have made in
	the 80's. Most of their moves were good solid moves, but cutting
	C. Carter was just so funny. I remember, reading the paper the
	day the Vikings had signed him, and thinking, AWESOME, Carter &
	Carter. It turned out to be one of the few good roster moves for
	Minnesota in the 80's, along with the signings of Del Rio, and 
	Merriweather. Heres to a great season. :) Finger crossed.

							Mark Gresbach
							GO VIKINGS