HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Renaissance Man? [Re: Education and Snowballs]
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:15:14 GMT

>Danger Mouse looks around. "Where _has_ our resident Renaissance Man
>gotten to? Jilara, maybe you can tell us what Alaric is up to?"

She sighs.  "His newsreader is being very difficult, refuses to let him 
post to *anything* at the moment.  I gave him the remote server address 
the other day, and suggested he give it a hail...  While my feed is often 
erratic, his has been absolutely *screwed up utterly* lately.

"I'm a great believer in being Renaissance people.  Me, I like to at least 
fancy that I'm enough of a generalist that I would make a good pioneer.  Heck,
I know how to do everything from making a five-course meal on a campfire to
being able to quote famous poets, when the occasion arises.  But then, I 
believe that you can be a generalist and still be a specialist---that's how 
I got into my line of work, by the way.  Technically, I'm an Ethnobotanist 
with a special interest in historical uses of plants.  I ended up as a tech 
writer because I also dabbled in computer hardware and software, while on 
the way to somewhere else.  On the other hand, I think that people who 
specialize in Business have no real skills at all---so general they have no 
focus on the real world.  And that's what's wrong with modern society and 
why folks are having problems reconciling GNP with having a habitable planet. 
They've had their heads in their charts for too long, and can't see the forest
for the $-per-board-foot..."

  --Jilara  [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
  "Of course truth is stranger than fiction; fiction has to make sense."
   --Tom Clancy
From: ee8net@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Nicki Trasler)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: names
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:04:22 GMT
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

>	Galadin looks at kitten who is now in his arms looking at him
>expectantly.  He peers into her eyes and then with a sweep of his cane he
>changes the music into a .... Tango!!.

Nicki, who's been providing the music for the dancing with the aid of
her guitar, looks up in astonishment as her hands start playing faster
of their own accord.  Looking at Galadin's face, however, she doesn't
resist the change but takes the music from his magic to her own.

Nicki enjoys playing the tango and also enjoys watching kitten and
Galadin dancing, they're so obviously having fun.

>"Well, kitten, I decided that I need
>something with a little more zing."  With that he sweeps kitten out onto the
>dance floor, (there is a dance floor out here isn't there?) and tries to
>impress her with his dancing.  And well, if he doesn't impress her, at least
>they can have fun.

When they've finished dancing, Nicki looks pointedly at Galadin.

"Please warn me next time you're going to do that!  After all, you only
needed to ask!"

She grins at him to show she's not really annoyed.

"Well, any time you need some music, just ask."
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From: wyang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William D Yang)
Subject: Re: Natural Science, Natural Religion
Summary: Ray breaks his SDQP Lurking for a deep question
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:35:20 GMT

In article <cough> allbery@ncoast.org (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:

>Ah, but the point is --- *we* are made of tangibles.  And yet there is more to
>us than those tangibles.  If you take the *body* of God (or Whoever) to be the
>Universe, why assume that God is nothing more than that when we *are*?

Instead of doing his Epistemology, Ray smiles at Brandon from nowhere in 
particular.

See, IF Brandon were able to point to any ONE tangible that Ray wasn't 
currently in doubt of, THEN his point might have some level of truth to it.  It
happens to be the case that strong skepticism (as Ray is unfortunately feeling 
forced into at this point in time) forces us to recognise that we don't really 
/KNOW/ we're made of tangibles... we don't even /KNOW/ that we exist (strong 
skepticism can only conclude from cognito ergo sum that there is existence in 
general going on, not that there's any seperate or individual identity going 
on, so to speak).  You've made a good number of "leaps of faith" -- many, many 
more than the "simple" traditional Christian viewpoint does.

I've always been one for minimizing presumptions.  But that's me.  I also think
water's wet and that the air is breathable...  what do I know?

[Deleted Hypothesis: there is a fully physical explanation for /EVERYTHING/]
>Personally, I consider that as great a leap of faith as that required to
>believe in a god or gods, ergo not the answer he claims it is.)

Let's not forget the other leaps of faith we're making here, Brandon...  I 
mean, most  people leap on the idea that human reasoning has some resemblance 
to that value/ideal we call "Truth."  We're presuming our 'knowing' of our own 
(but no one else's) existence is implicit, that we cannot be mistaken.  We're 
presuming that there's something around us which is "public" in nature, that we
can affect through our supposed actions.  All of these viewpoints are very much
leaps of faith...  Stating there's a source for certain truths explains all of 
this, and more.  It's a far simpler hypothesis.

   "Mind, I should be reading _The Problems of Philosophy_... not reciting it!"

               -Ray, SDQP-Lurker who shouldn't be reading tonight...
-- 
William D. Yang         wyang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu         Yang.25@osu.edu
Technical Assistant to North Area Computing Sites at The Ohio State University.
It's my opinion: if you really want it, you can have it for a nominal fee.
From: Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Mundanity (was Re: Creation and Destruction)
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:33:46 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


Marc writes:
 
>(PS. did you try _Wise Blood_? I liked it more than I did "Everything
>that Rises Must Converge."

Truth be told, I developed such a dislike for Flannery O'Connor from
that course that I would not read another thing of hers unless it was
for schoolwork. (I assume that that's the author you refer to.)

Truth also be told, I feel very strongly that my pet bugaboos at UNH
(the writing clique in the English dept.) would not have the imagination
to realize that someting published as "mainstream" was SF, and even if
they did, they would be unable to accept that maybe some quality stuff
is published as SF instead.  (The only SF-type writer that my teacher
would acknowledge was Ursela LeGuin -- wouldn't you know, an author that
I didn't care to read...)

--E_McCoy@unhh.unh.edu aka T'Kee the un-artsy Cat-Centaur
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: All mind and no heart?
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:20:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Curious Natures:
>Does anyone have a tale of how they returned to the emotional life
>without experiencing or remembering an emotional wound of some kind?

Firecat:
Well, not exactly. It took my being in an emotionally
difficult situation to realize that I needed to change, but it
was not the situation itself that helped me get back in touch with
my feelings.

I was in the position of needing to end a relationship, and finding
myself unable to do so.

I found a spiritual practice that helped me a lot. Helped me to realize 
that I could ask for help from others and I didn't have to solve everything 
on my own -- which was a big reason for my not having strong feelings; 
who can afford them if they are entirely alone and can't ever ask for 
help? I also started seeing a therapist.

I had thought of seeing a therapist before but I had put it off: If
I don't feel better on my own by age X then I will do it. Now I see
that I needed this crisis to make myself go. Even with the crisis I
put off the process for months and only made an appointment when 
things had gotten so bad I felt that I was about to break completely.

I also read about adult children of alcoholics and codependency, and went 
to some 12-step meetings. I don't think that the issues described under
these names are unique to ACOAs but it was helpful to learn that I was 
not alone in what I was experiencing.

After breaking up with my SO I spent six months in a very solitary
mode, bringing back childhood memories a bit at a time.  Along with
this exploration I began regaining my feelings. *laugh* I knew because
I suddenly started to cry in movies, and I mean *all* the time ...
At first my feelings were huge and blustery and it was hard to express them. 
I still don't quite trust them, especially the bad ones, especially 
showing them to other people. I still try to shut them up too much.
But it's coming.

I think that the key to making a change of this nature is not to
experience a wound (the wound only makes you realize that there is a
problem), but to get help from someone or something. It doesn't have
to be a therapist or a religion. It does have to be someone or something
steady in your life, that will be there as you work through your stuff,
that will be patient during the times you don't feel like working through
your stuff. Perhaps it can be done on one's own but it is a lot easier,
IMO, to do it with help, with feedback from some relatively objective
source.

Another thing to say: people express and feel their feelings differently.
There is only something wrong with the way you do it (or don't) if you
feel uncomfortable.

Firecat
--    
                  A more intimate theology, and one more consonant with 
Stef              the nature of...love, pictures a demonic force engaged  
stef@apple.com    in continuous creation and participation. - Iris Murdoch
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Capital punishment (was Re: abortion)
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:16:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.222723.11059@husc3.harvard.edu>, olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson) writes:
>Castellan parks the forklift he'd borrowed from the construction site across the street,
>takes the soapboxes off the pallet and piles them back up again.  "I guess the bonfire
>is just going to have to wait a few... To comment on your argument in specific, StM,
>I donm't have to become a mass-murderer to live off of society anyway... I can just
>rob a few banks, serve my 10 years, rob another bank, and repeat the cycle.

You do that, you risk being killed in the act of committing the robbery.  It's
much safer to get locked away for life.

>"But even if there were a significant number of such leeches, I simply refuse to
>grant the state the right to judicially take its citizens' lives.  Besides the
>potential for wrongful executions (which, by most estimates, happen all the time),
>and the fact that capital punishment doesn't deter crime *in the slightest*

It most certainly DOES deter crime:  We're sure there's at least ONE criminal
who won't do it again.

>(why is it that the states that have the most executions, to wit. Texas and
>Florida, also have among the highest murder rates in the country?),

Perhaps you're looking at it backwards.  Maybe it's the states that have the
highest murder rates that decide to implement the death penalty.

>"Simply put, I don't believe that anybody has the right to condemn another to
>death.

Consider the fact that if you release a murderer (either via parole or via a
jailbreak), and he reverts to his old habits, you've condemned INNOCENT people
to death.
From: seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: abortion
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:48:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr12.125307.10994@husc3.harvard.edu> olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson) writes:
>"I'm also vehemently, adamantly opposed to the death penalty, in any and all
>circumstances.  There's often this discrepancy on both sides, with so many 
		
		[...]

>"But every time I see or read about an Operation Rescue action, with people 
>chaining themselves to clinic doors and screaming `Murderer' at the clients 
>going in, I have to remind myself that they are acting out of the same 
>motivations that cause me to literally scream at the TV set or newspaper 
>every time Bush or Gov. Weld call for more and speedier executions (Weld
>is trying to reinstate the death penalty in MA; christ, and I voted for
>him too).  There isn't much in terms of direct action that I can do- gas

	The Sea Wasp grins as they start trying to get rid of the soapboxes...
silly creatures, as soon as anyone else starts talking more will just appear!

	"You know, that's one of the issues where I end up on both sides:
the death penalty.
	"Ideally and theoretically speaking, I am in favor of a death penalty
for certain very extreme forms of crime. However, there are in practical
terms TWO major problems with it.
	"First, of course, is the certainty factor. While in an abortion one
can at least be sure that one is not 'getting the wrong man', so to speak,
there is no such assurance in the legal arena. The death penalty, once
applied, is irrevocable. You can't say 'oops, sorry, wrong guy', once you've
FRIED the wrong guy.
	"Second is that the standards for APPLYING the death penalty are
often decided in ways that I don't agree with. Many people see the death
penalty as a way to either punish crime or to prevent it through frightening
others who might otherwise go out and commit crime. 
	"In my opinion the ONLY conditions under which a death penalty
is warranted is in cases of truly horrendous murder or torture by a 
psychotic/sociopathic and unrepentant perpetrator. The function here is
NOT to punish, nor to frighten. It is to INSURE, beyond ANY SHADOW OF A
DOUBT, that THIS criminal, at least, will never EVER be able to commit
a crime like that again. No uncertain prisons, no worries about escapes.
No sir, I want  Hannibal Lecter, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, and Jeff
Dahmer to fry like bacon. Not to scare or to punish or to provide  a 
spectacle. Just to make the world a little safer.
	"The problem, though, is that it is VERY rare to encounter cases
which are THAT horrid and THAT ironclad, wherein there is essentially NO
doubt of the criminal's guilt or the enormity of their crimes."


				Sea Wasp
From: razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (The Artful Dodger)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: the best books to rebuild modern technology
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:48:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: tiamat.12APR92094812
Reply-To: razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Big Bright Green Pleasure Machines, Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <Mumble>, seawasp writes...
>>lydick:
>>>Nick D.:
> 
>	[someone mentions books other than the CRC to rebuild civilization,
>or at least give it a running jump start]
> 
>>>    "Also a book on masonry. Many of the early cathedrals collapsed
>>>  because those stone masons didn't understand all of the forces
>>>  they were dealing with." NickD. 
> 
>>I'd recommend, instead, a good first-year calculus textbook (assuming we
>>couldn't have both, and that we want to teach our children rather than letting
>>our knowledge die with us).  You can figure out masonry with the calculus and
>>(admittedly a LOT) of experimentation with minerals.  Calculus is also more
>>generally applicable.
> 
>	The Wasp glances up. "Well, I picked the CRC for many reasons. It
>fulfils the calculus requirement (I've HAD calc through diffy Q, and the
>mathematics primer in the CRC is more than sufficient to refresh and even
>continue my mathematical education). There are pieces of information there
>on engineering, etc., physics, etc... If you're willing to say that 
>experimentation is practical enough to justify the calculus over the
>masonry book, then believe me: the CRC will enable you to do just about
>ANYTHING.
>	"Another good book for practical stuff might be _How Things Work_,
>and there is another, much older, book whose title I can't remember but
>which had in it just about everything from poultice recipes to the formula
>for cordite.
>	"If I knew I was going to be in heavy danger, like, fighting, while
>trying to build a civilization, I might take _The CIA Book of Dirty Tricks_
>or _The Anarchist's Cookbook_. I know ONE book I'd DEFINITELY want, which
>is NOT covered in any way by the CRC, would be a good general medical
>text, including stuff for basic drugs like aspirin, penicillin, and simple
>surgical procedures..."
> 
	Arty looks up, interested.  "I didn't catch the original
post on this subject, but this caught my eye.  Let me warn
anyone who actually has a copy of _The Anarchist's Cookbook_ That
some of the recipies in there are extreemly dangerous, and can get you
dead right quick."


The Artful Dodger P65331727@CCIT.Arizona.Edu|Razer@Hacks.Arizona.EDU
"Can you imagine us years from today, sharing a park bench quietly?
  How terribly strange to be seventy!"
		-Paul Simon & Art Garfunkle "Old Friends" _Bookends_
From: vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: balrog meets Tizrak !
Date: 2 Apr 92 15:20:47 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.


   So far the brumby has replied to every one of these posts he's seen
tonight.

>>>>kitten giggles as the light bulb goes on over her head....

>>>Panther grins evilly.  "I suppose this means she's been enlightened?"

>>"watt....amp i in this punfest....ooooooooooooh nooooooooooooo."

>Kitten, don't be afraid of pun battles.  Charge into them instead!
>                                                 - Tizrak

   "Resistance is useless! Don't be LED astray by the impedance of others."


-- 
     The Silver Brumby of      vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (till Apr 13)
      the Silicon Plains           brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: tjlee@iastate.edu (The Lamplighter)
Subject: Re: Stuff and life.
Originator: tjlee@pv740b.vincent.iastate.edu
Keywords: Living with the fear of a touch and the anger of having been a fool
Organization: Seven Wishes Lamp Co.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:04:58 GMT

The Artful Dodger writes:

>... I'll tell you one thing - when I meet women who are out of touch
>with their feelings, I RUN!"

	The Lamplighter's head fills with ideas, and he has to say,
"Society tells men that feelings shouldn't be important to them -- so be
sure to run from any 'normal' men you see!"  He'll sort this one out
later.

-----------------------<| "The embroidery of your life holds you in and keeps
  <=|- Tom Lee -|=>   -<| you out, but you survive,
  tjlee@iastate.edu   -<|  Imprisoned in your bones behind the isinglass
-----------------------<| windows of your eyes." -- sung by Judy Collins
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lindercs@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Galadin (Craig Linderoth))
Subject: HoloMUCK?
Reply-To: lindercs@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:07:02 GMT

	Hey ho, this is for the people on HoloMUCK.  Is there something wrong
with it?  I can't seem to connect to it.  My server can't find it.  Oh well,
that`s all.  Thanks for your time and all that.


******************************************************************************
*Craig Linderoth                * Reality is for People who Lack Imagination.*
*Lindercs@Rosevc.rose-hulman.edu*   The Callahanian Protector of People from *
*ChemEng, Rose-Hulman           *    Outrageous Pun Throwers    SPLAT :)     *
******************************************************************************
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: All mind and no heart?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:31:26 GMT
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Matt/COAN,

	My advice is to stop trying to help unless she's in real trouble.  
Speaking as one who has plenty of her own black moods and depressions...and 
quite a few scars...there's not much you can do other than be there for her if
she should want you there.  Love her and care for her and tell her often.
You two are wonderful together...I would hate to see you lose that.  If you 
need anything, call me.  And give Judy my love...

							*hug*

							Kateri

-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
From: vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Satanic Verses vs ?
Date: 2 Apr 92 14:55:23 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.


   The brumby fishes around in his wife's book collection.

bruce@plague.ugcs.caltech.edu (Bruce J Bell) writes:

>Heehee... have I got the book for you!  try "Waiting for the Galactic Bus"
>and "The Snake-Oil Wars".  I don't remember the author, and it isn't "genre"
>sf, IMHO, but it can't easily be classed as anything other than science
>fiction...

   "Parke Godwin. And I wouldn't have a clue what to class it as either
except very cutting."


-- 
     The Silver Brumby of      vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (till Apr 13)
      the Silicon Plains           brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
From: erikred@ocf.berkeley.edu (Erik Nielsen)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re:  Names for call!
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:36:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s26cbINN2vt
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

In article <ku87g1INNbsn@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM} test@peregrine.Sun.COM (Carole Parker) writes:
}She could try Venus, for the goddess of love.  I don't recall any *major*
}unhappiness with her! ;-)

"Certainly," agrees the giant, "unless you consider the fate of Adonis as
unhappy, or the incident with Ares in Hephaestus' web unhappy, no, Venus/
Aphrodite is a pretty happy camper."


}I found myself. See? I'm right here!
}
}Carole Parker
}  e-mail: falk@sun.com with a Subject line: Mail for Carole


Erik, the BFG
-- 
     "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."
			Roy, _Blade Runner_
Erik Nielsen					erikred@ocf.berkeley.edu
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From: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Subject: Re: Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Co.
Reply-To: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Organization: Reuters APL Software Division
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:54:51 GMT


-----------Message forwarded from IPSA Mailbox-------------
no. 6159804 filed 18.38.13  thu 16 apr 1992
from dgil
to   locun
subj Re: Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Co.
ref  6157859

     You called?

                                      Mentor the Sage
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