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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:32:09 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep1.151800.15125@doug.cae.wisc.edu> sean@cae.wisc.edu (Sean Rutledge) writes:
>In article <9209011956.AA00623@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>>
>>"Prior to the Gulf crisis, the U.S. imported 290 million barrels of 
>>oil a year from Iraq and Kuwait. Raising auto-efficiency standards by 
>>a measly 2.75 mpg, says the Silocon Valley Toxics Coalition, could save 
>>the U.S. the same 290 million barrels...." 
>>
>It was the oil in Saudi Arabia that was of particular importance.  
>What was to have stopped Saddam after taking Kuwait, World
>Opinion???  

Er, lots of desert and US CVBGs and B-52s in the area?  I also don't
think Saddam was poised to strike into Saudi Arabia, also.



--
Sweet Thames, run softly till I end my song
Sweet Thames, run softly, for I speak not loud or long.
			-- T.S. Eliot, "The Wasteland"
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From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:43 PDT
Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
Nf-ID: #R:QFS-fv@engin.umich.edu:1034962224:cdp:1296500325:000:194
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Aug 30 20:43:00 1992



The lengthy analysis on LaRouche is posted in a lower topic under the
name LaRouchians as Fascists. Searching for "LaRouche" won't find it.
Sorry for the logical inconsistancy in naming.
-Chip

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From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth
Subject: TRADE Resources (1)
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:11:24 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB

[Via misc.activism.progressive from PeaceNet's trade.news]
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Topic 152       TRADE.NEWS 8-27-92 
kmander Updates on GATT & NAFTA Negotiations     1:53 pm  Aug 27, 1992 
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TRADE NEWS BULLETIN 
Thursday, August 27, 1992 
"Hills Gives EC Stark Warning Over Oilseeds Row," REUTER, August 26, 1992. 
_________________________________________________________ 
Resources: 

1.  The Texas Center for Policy Studies has produced a report
examining the options available to Congress "regarding protection of
the environment in the U.S./Mexico border in the context of the
proposed North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)."

For a copy of NAFTA AND THE U.S/MEXICO BORDER ENVIRONMENT: OPTIONS FOR
CONGRESSIONAL ACTION, send $5 to the Texas Center for Policy Studies,
PO Box 2618, Austin, Texas 78768.  Tel: (512)474-0811.  Fax:
(512)478-8140.

_________________________________________________________ 
Produced by: 
Kai Mander     
The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) 
1313 Fifth Street SE, Suite #303 
Minneapolis, MN 55414-1546 USA 

Telephone:(612)379-5980 Fax:(612)379-5982  
E-Mail:kmander@igc.org 
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.084241.3837@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>> Was there any NEED to rush in instead of either attempting
>> negotiations or at least using tear gas? 
>
>	Yes.  There were potential hostages.

No. This is not true. The residents were evacuated when she broke a
window to get in and set off a silent alarm. There was NO need for the
cops to go rushing in. Tactically it was very stupid to go in and let
her control the situation instead of slowly pumping tear gas into the
house to force her outside, where the cops can have control of the
situation. (cops could set a trap, use nets, less confined so
their advantage of numbers could be utilized, etc)

The cops didn't even go in pairs to watch each other's back.

>> 	In most situations involving a "cornered" suspect, the cops are
>> willing to take the time to "talk" them out. Why the rush to charge in this
>> time? Even more important, why is a man who was fired from one force for
>> repeated use of excessive force working for another one rather than
>> permanently barred from law enforcement employment?
>
>	Why did she attack them?  Why should then not defend themselves?

Maybe they should retreat instead of killing.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
A right delayed is a right denied.

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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Who Were the "Contras" ? (III)
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:42:33 GMT

In article <9209040622.AA14088@tba.msi.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>Who Were the "Contras" ? (III)
>
>"FDN [contra] units would arrive at an undefended village, assemble
>all the residents in the town square and then proceed to kill -- in
>full view of the others -- all persons suspected of working for the
>Nicaraguan Government or the F.S.L.N....

Edelmiro Salas recently posted a similar account except that the 
Sandinistas where killing the civilians they didn't like. So Harel,
are you willing to condem these Sandinista killings and other human
rights abuses?

To date, the answer is no, you aren't willing to treat Sandinsita
abuses the same as Contra abuses even when they are the same. So
you think the Sandinista opponents killed and jailed by the Sandinsitas
deserved that? Is that why you won't condem it?

   Allen
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:42 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA action materials and news
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1296500303:cdp:1296500319:000:1124
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 27 19:42:00 1992


One last post.  For people who are not aware of some of the earlier
events in the Spring:

From the Washington Post, May 12, 1992

"If ever a situation cried out for mercy, Somalia is it.
   Somalia, however, is now part of the Cold War flotsam and jetsam and off
the screen of US concerns, or so it seems.  What is there left to think when
the Bush administration derails the United Nations Security Council's
effort to send a small (500-member) peace-keeping force there to protect
UN, Red Cross and private relief workers who are desperately trying to get
food and supplies to the suffering.  The estimated cost of the peacekeeping
force was around $20 million, which incidentally would have been picked up
by all UN members.  Even with the United Stqates and other permanent
council members taking on the lion's share--in light of their key role under
the UN charter--the assessment was well within this country's ability to
honor.  It also was clearly its moral responsibility to meet.
     Yet the administration hid behind the excuse that Congress would not
tolerate such a financial commitment in an election year."
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Apology. More tomorrow. (it was 325 lines, too.....)
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:02:47 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

I had made a nice big post, apologisng everywhere. However, I somehow cancelled
it, so tommorrow night I shall endeavour to stitch it back together. Also, I'll
say what I think Soc and Cap are. No doubt you will be quick to correct me if I
am wrong- I hope so.

:-$...

-- 
John McVey, Whyalla campus, Uni S.Australia
Enic Eng Student & Terror Tekkie G1 (at 19!)
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au, or try
9051467f@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au
'An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.'
   				--Don Marquis
Obligatory disclaimer : UniSA hates my opinions...
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From: gabriele@aero.org (Mark Gabriele)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: ELECTIONS 92: Clinton/Gore on Labor
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:52:38
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solecism.aero.org
In-reply-to: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU's message of 3 Sep 92 01:34:03 GMT


   In your posting on alt.politics.elections (and many other groups),
you write:

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       "Bill Clinton is committed to the rights of working men and women
       to organize and bargain collectively, and supports the repeal of
       Section 14b of the Taft-Hartley Act to create a level playing
       field between labor and management.
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   I'm awfully surprised to hear this, seeing as how his platform doesn't
include it and the proposal by the Brown representatives on the DNC
Platform committee to add a plank calling for the repeal of 14(b) was
soundly voted down (all Clinton reps voting nay).

   I've heard Lane Kirkland speak on the matter, and I've heard several
of Kirkland's lackeys speak on the matter.  They all rave about
Clinton.  Some of them even raved against Brown.  What I'm not sure of
is how these people can be in favor of a guy who supports GATT, NAFTA,
and whose platform committee voted down planks that would have called
for an increase in the minimum wage and the repeal of 14(b).

Just thought you should know some of the facts...

   =Mark
   (gabriele@aero.org)

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mstrange@alfred.carleton.ca (N E N Strangelove)
Subject: Moderated?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:58:10 GMT

Greetings,

I am compiling a directory of networked resources for social work
studies [2nd edition]. I would like to include alt.activism. I would
appreciate a *brief* description [2-3 lines max.] and if this
newsgroup is moderated.

Thanks in advance,

Natalie Strangelove

PS\Please email me directly, as I am not subscribed to thie newsgroup.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:32:24 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Sep1.040040.16637@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
]  Sorry to tell you, but PC does exist. Get a copy of "Heterodoxy" magazine
]  sometime and read it from cover to cover. Chock full of gory details of
]  various radical "progressives" and their doublethink war against people
]  who dare question their dogma.

I've heard this is a good magazine. Where can I get a copy? How can I
subscribe?
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
 - - Saddam Hussein... he just keeps going... and going... and going - -
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From: ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Gas Tax, Inflationary, Regressive?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:44:40 GMT
	<1992Sep3.203149.22734@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm no expert on either tax systems or gasoline consumption or
inflation, however, I have noticed something upon moving from a state
with relatively low gas taxes, Ohio, to one with relatively high gas
taxes, Pennsylvania:  gasoline is not the only thing that is
significantly more expensive.  Gasoline in Pittsburgh is about 10 - 12
cent a gallon more expensive than in Cleveland.  These two cities are
comparable in many ways, including cost of living.  I have noticed,
though that anything requiring transportation is also much more
expensive in Pittsburgh, especially groceries.  

It seems to me that gasoline taxes may contribute seriously to inflation.

Also, rural populations would be hurt more by gasoline taxes than urban
populations, not only because they must travel larger distances for even
essential errands (graoceries and doctor's offices/hospitals) but also
because their entire economy is agriculture, which is very
feul-intensive.  

There are, however, many fewer people living in truly rural areas than
in urban/suburban areas.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.drugs
From: pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares)
Subject: Re: Forfeiture laws
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:18:19 GMT

adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
[...]
>        First there were the RICO laws - created to battle organized 
>crime but rapidly put to use to justify the seizure of property from 
>such "organized crime" figures as teenage pot dealers.

	If you can believe it, the RICO laws were also applied to comic-store
owners who sold explicit "comix". I don't remember if they jailed the owner,
siezed the store, or just took the comic books, but it was a gross abuse of
the law's intent in any case...see back issues of "The Comics Buyers Guide"
for more info if you're really interested.

-Peter

pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.news-media,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Military censorship of news
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:24:54

My opinion, and I have had little to do with the military since 1946,
is that the military are so compliant to the wishes of the media that
they risk incurring more casualties than they otherwsie would.  They
probably see this as necessary, because the media, when miffed as a
group, seek revenge without the slightest compunction and with total
self-righteousness.  Their revenge is effective against anyone who
depends at all on public opinion.  There is no use in defying them,
becasue they always have the last word.  Other institutions in our
society also find it necessary to kiss the ass of the media no
matter how unfair they think the media have been.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Forfeiture laws
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:21:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Rick Adams (adamsr@netcom.com) wrote:
: 
:         Recently, the Vice Mayor of Phoenix, Arizona put forward a
: suggestion that prostitution could be more effectively controlled by
: seizing the automobiles owned by the prostitutes clients. The reasoning
: was that it would both cost the individual financially, and force him to
: admit his behavior to his family, rather than keep it secret. That it
: would also generate additional revenue for the city was also not
: overlooked.
: 
:         Apparently, such ordinances are in effect in other areas of the
: United States and are proving successful.
:
------------------------------
Portland Or. also does this. The first two or three months it worked pretty
well as cops seized some nice cars and embarrassed a lot of people. They 
modified precedures to return cars belonging to the accused employer because
they were seizing city owned cars that city employees were using in an
unofficial capacity.

But folks wised up. Everyone went out and got an old beater to cruise in.
Now if they seize a car worth more than $500 its from some tourist who
doesn't know any better. 

The city has to store all those cars until after the trial and then sell
them. In many cases they actually lose money because it costs more to safely
store them than they sell for.

John Eaton
!hp-vcd!johne

 
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Smearing I.F. Stone
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:47:30

I subscribe to the Accuracy in Media newsletter AIM Report and find
it generally accurate in its complaints about bias.  The epithet
"right wing ideological bully boys" is vague enough so as to be
unrefutable.  They are certainly to the right of FAIR which seems
to be pretty far left and to the right of most of the media.  They
discuss ideology.  They criticize the media, but I'm not sure what
the criterion is for being "bully boys".  They don't come around in
gangs and beat up reporters, so I suppose a more subtle notion of
"bully boy" is involved.  They don't recommend boycotts, but they
do include postcards in AIM Report that make it convenient for
readers to complain to the presidents of media companies.  Also
Reed Irvine attends stockholder meetings of media companies and
makes a pest of himself.

The phrase "bully boys" suggests something that ought to be stopped
by some kind of external pressure.  Is what Ron Balden has in mind,
and if so, what kind of pressure does he recommend?

I recounted that evidence against Stone is a bit thin, and
AIM tells it that way.  Kalugin says there was such an
American journalist who took KGB money.  Kalugin didn't call
him an agent.  In Moscow a former KGB officer who refused
to be named claimed that Stone was the person in question.
I suppose the matter will eventually be resolved.  I would
bet money on Stone having taken the money, but maybe I would
want 2 to 1 odds.

I'll read the _Nation_ article, but if it merely parades the
rightist credentials of the person who claimed to have talked
to Kalugin I won't be impressed.  I am also not impressed by
the fact that Stone sometimes criticized the Soviet Union.

Unfortunately, I don't think the "independent left" would collapse
even if a confession were found in Stone's handwriting.




--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.news-media,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: NBC news and Dan Quayle
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:52:57 GMT

donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.015306.10987@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil
>(Chip Switzer) writes:
>>>However, taking that further and implying that there is something
>>>wrong with wanting to know in advance that Grenada was about to be
>>>invaded.  Personally, I think it's REALLY dangerous when the military
>>>gets too carried away thinking "They don't need to know we're invading
>>>(name the country)"...because that isn't a military decision to make!
>>>If the government is thinking about invading Grenada/Panama/Cambodia,
>>>etc, I think that the people should have something to say about it.
>>
>>Grenada and Panama were *sneak attacks*.  How do you reconcile telling
>>the media we were planning it? Do you see how that just might get
>>some Americans killed that wouldn't have been if they had had the element
>>of suprise on their side?
>>
>>I think you are really arguing that the President shouldn't have the
>>authority to use force like that without Congressional approval.  That
>>is another debate altogether...

>Not just the media.  I feel that the people of the US had a right to know
>that we were about to attack a foreign country, instead of waking up one
>day and finding out over coffee, after the fact.  And that we should have
>had some say in the matter...

Did you even *read* what I said??? 


Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
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From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor )
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Usual libels against Chomsky
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:08:10 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com

In article <1SEP199222301798@reg.triumf.ca> orwell@reg.triumf.ca (BALDEN,  
RON) writes: (quoting a book by someone or other)
# "  A critical element of the [Reagan] administration's campaign, 
# therefore, has been a broad series of accusations[...] 
# of Soviet expansionism, violations of arms treaties,
# intransigence in arms negotiations, initiatives in the arms
# race, planning for nuclear war, use of inhumane weapons,
# Soviet violations of human rights, and support of violence and
# terrorism throughout the world.

Hmmm.  Since the book was published, the then-Soviet foreign minister  
admitted that the xUSSR cheated on ABM radar agreements, and it was  
revealed recently by the current Russian government that arms transfers  
were made to IRA and to mideast terror organizations.  The East German  
government also sheltered baeder-meinhof gang members on East German soil.

It seems that the Pentagon got at least one or two things right this time.

--
Don McGregor
drm@esl.com  
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From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.news-media,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Military censorship of news
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:53:39 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:

[among other things...]
>                                        ...   If Vietnam taught us
>anything, it was that showing pictures of the carnage of war on the
>television at dinner time did nothing to really get meaningful
>information out--it just showed the American people how terrible war is.
>Since we know that already, what's the point?

I think the point was that many Americans *didn't* know how
terrible war was before that; and when they saw the carnage,
they decided that it wasn't worth destroying human lives for
a political theory.  Something that each generation has to
learn afresh, it seems.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Usual libels against Chomsky
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:07:16

Why should we believe Gervasi rather than the Pentagon?
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh