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From: vdakker@cs.few.eur.nl (Johan van den Akker)
Subject: Re: N-scale help locating parts
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:39:05 GMT

d2fred@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Br{utigam) writes:

>nijhuis@isg.llnl.gov (Jan A. Nijhuis) writes:

><First question deleted, since I can`t help you there>

>>2.	Does anyone know of N or HO scale NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen)
>>	Dutch railway's passenger equipment.  I'd perfer N.  Again
>>	Walther's is a source for some NS equipment but all of it
>>	freight and all of it rolling stock.  I know most of Hollands
>>	Engines are made in Germany so a similar setup might be
>>	available and only need to be repainted/stenciled/weatherd.

>Minitrix has at least one electric NS locomotive (Late 1950's, I think) 
>and a few different passenger cars. A yellow electric BB class loco, 
>corresponding to the French BB 7200 ('Arzens' style) is available from 
>Fleischmann, as well as some passenger cars. Fleischmann also produces 
>the diesel commuter train 'Wadloper'. As for Roco, I'm not quite sure 
>if there are any N scale NS productions, nor do I have the possibility
>to look it up right now. Anyhow, it's not unlikely.

In addition to this Minitrix has launched the following models recently:

ICM-3 "Koploper" Intercity EMU
ICR              Intercity stock  First class
		                  Second class
				  Brake Second
1200 series Electric locomotive 

The locomotivwe referred to above is the 1100 series electric locomotive.

Hope this helps,
Johan

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Erasmus University
From: myers@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Tom R. Myers)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:21:20 GMT
Subject: Re: HOe gauge - What does the 'e' mean?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

>  What does the 'e' stand for?

It's the scale that Dan Quayl models in!


TRM

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From: eoliver@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Eddie Oliver)
Subject: Re: Athearn 86' Parts Cars and more
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:47:26 GMT

A simple solution to the coupler sagging problem on stock Athearn 85' cars
is to glue a piece of plastic sufficiently far above the base to leave
clearance for the coupler arm to move between the plastic and the base, but
close enough to the base to prevent sagging. In other words, you make a
slot through which the coupler arm passes. It's not hard to find a level
which achieves just the right amount of up/down freedom of movement.

I have found that this simple improvement makes an enormous difference
to the operation of the cars - indeed it converts them from being pretty
problematical into being perfectly usable. The disadvantage is that it then
becomes more difficult to dismantle the assembly later; to install, you have
to place the coupler first and then find the right height for the slot, so the
dismantling process involves destroying the slot before you can remove the
coupler.

Eddie Oliver

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From: matheys@online.cern.ch (Jean-Pol Matheys)
Subject: Re: HOe gauge - What does the 'e' mean?
Reply-To: matheys@online.cern.ch
Organization: CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:28:32 GMT


David,

The European standard NEM 010 defines three gauge suffixes:

 m for real gauges between 850 and 1250 mm
 e for real gauges between 650 and  850 mm
 i for real gauges between 400 and  650 mm

Now, my interpretation of the meaning of these suffixes may be biased by
the fact that my mother language is French, but here it goes:

 m is for "metrique"     or metric     (usual real gauge close to 1000 mm)
 e is for "etroite"      or narrow     (usual real gauge close to 750 mm)
 i is for "industrielle" or industrial (usual real gauge close to 500 mm)

Mind you, the only place where I've seen the "i" suffix is in that standard !

Any other interpretations ?

--
Jean-Pol Matheys

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From: pratta@rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Prattico)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: railroad modelling and participatory theater
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:33:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: isaac.PRATTA.92Nov11223325
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Nov11.161244.13491@progress.com> fredm@progress.COM (Fred Mikkelsen) writes:

>I'm looking for some feedback on a more personal and emotional level. What
>aspects of a good layout make you go "ah" and/or get jealous? Using theater
>as a model for participatory entertainment (which operating or viewing a
>model railroad is), what gets you moved.
>
>Some examples for me are real mountains--not just bumps. Control consoles
>that look like they're from NCC-1701-D. Industrial areas that are packed
>with re-habilitated old buildings and some over-neglected, abandoned buildings
>on the fringes.
>
>Thanks for your feedback!
>Fred.

Control panels that resemble what's on the layout, and are very simple and 
easy to use. However, we eliminated control panels entirely and put the track
diagrams and switch machine buttons right on the fron panel.

Scenes that are easily recognizable to visitors. Accurate buildings following
specific prototypes and not the same over-used kits. No super high trestles
or 5 bridges crossing the same river at five different heights, on top of each
other. In other words, realism

-Anthony Prattico
President, Rensselaer Model Railroad Society, New England, Berkshire & Western
pratta@rpi.edu     Anthony_Prattico@mts.rpi.edu
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From: SDupa@xview.csuohio.edu (Scott Hewis)
Subject: Re: Nickle Plate Passenger Cars
Organization: Cleveland State University - Telecomm 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:31:45 GMT

In article <jkh2001-091192222137@m248-99.bgsu.edu> jkh2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Jeremy Heilman) writes:
>From: jkh2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Jeremy Heilman)
>Subject: Nickle Plate Passenger Cars
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:40:47 GMT

>I am looking for HO scale passenger cars for the Nickle Plate Road.  I
>tried ordering some from Standard Hobby Supply, but after 6 weeks they
>cancelled my order because they could not get them.  If anbody knows of
>anyone who carries them, please let me know.  Thanks in advance.

>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                	
>                                        Jeremy K. Heilman
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                	
>                                        jkh2001@andy.bgsu.edu


>The opinions expressed here are those of Bowling Green State University. 
>Ya, as if.

You might have to get Con-Cors undecorated cars, if you're modeling stream-
line equipment, and paint and letter them yourself.  BTW Con-Cor's coach
is pretty close to a NKP coach as it comes out of the box.  The IHC smooth
side baggage car is *VERY* close to the NKP car and the IHC hvywt baggage-
postal combine is also *VERY* close.  All of NKP's head end equipment was
pullman green and approx half of the rebuilt coaches and diners were also
pullman green. The IHC hvywt. diner can be made into a NKP car without too
much trouble also.

Scott Hewis
 
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From: smithw@hamblin.math.byu.edu (Dr. William V. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: railroad modelling and participatory theater
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:58:04
Organization: Brigham Young University-Math. Dept
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In-reply-to: fredm@progress.COM's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:12:44 GMT

>At the M.I.T. club, we are currently undertaking a rebuild of 2/3 of the
>layout to achieve a doubling of mainline and scenery opportunities. There
>are lots of fine books and knowledge in print about how to achieve prototype
>and realism.

I can still remember trains running down the streets when I was a kid.
Two or three DD35's and a Geep dragging down the middle of the street
with what seemed a couple miles of cars-lots of 40ft. boxes.
A park on one side with kids and *big* old trees over hanging street. 
Stopping and blocking traffic for 40min. Crossing guard shanties
nearby and brick front buildings with rows of upper story
windows with the shades half pulled (always wondered what was in 'em).  
slow bells on the DD's ringing all the way down the street
(right past the Rio Grande Depot front door ;-).  Smell of diesel 
exhaust, generator whine, squeaking flat car wheels, bright 
headlights.  The asphalt was always in tough shape around the
tracks.  UP always made sure it wasn't too near the rails ;-)
Diesels increase in tempo for a few seconds then back off.
Double diesels sounded great!  Irony sound as frieght car wheels
hit rail joints.  Crossbuck signal lights.  Tracks veer off and
start to split into about 13 or 14. A dirt track runs between
some of them. Railroad police car or m-of-w vehicle sits there
sometimes.  NW-2 putters around, gets out of the way for the
huge incoming.  A couple of kids put pennies on the track in front
of the engines. Fireman sticks his head out to yell at them.
Power lines to everything that needs them. Low switch signals in
the yard throat.  Engineer horns for cross street and for the
crossing watchman.  Ground shakes. Air release. Engine sounds fade.
cars roll by forever then finally the crummy.
 Then everything's quiet except
for NW-2 idle sounds and *tiny* car and truck-off again- sounds. 
It was great.
Part of what I want to recreate on my own layout.
Sorry I got carried away. Probably missed the point entirely!
-Bill
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From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: railroad modelling and participatory theater
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:26:08 GMT
Keywords: involvement likes dislikes theater scenery


To me, model railroads are built to be operated in a realistic manor.
I operate regularly on a number of layouts, most notably Kalmbach's
MR&T (before they moved, and they are not yet operating again) and The
Timber River Rwy. of John Tews which recently appeared in MR. Both
were built, and rebuilt, to give you the feeling of being part of a
working railroad - mainly accomplishing something. Believe me, after
moving 900+ cars through the TRR's Allouze yard in a four-hour
session, you "feel" that you've accomplished something and have had
some fun in the process.
 
I should note that both of the layouts I've mentioned have/had nice
scenery which greatly enhances the operation by giving the operators a
feeling of going some place as they watch their train move through the
scenery. I think it also helps slow the pace of train speeds and
overall operation a bit too, as the operator watches his train move
through a scene. I also operate on a layout which doesn't have any
scenery, and I think the quality of operation sometimes shows that.
 
So yes, as you mentioned, details like old industrial areas are also
important. I've seen and even had to the chance to operate on, the
Midwest Modelers layout in Batavia, Ill. It's beautifully detailed and
is almost more fun to look at than operate on.
 
As for control panals, well, I've been spoiled in that reguard. Of the
layouts I've operated on (about a handful) all but two have had
command control and the two that weren't had block control by the
dispatcher, so I've never had to deal with control consoles that "
that look like they're from NCC-1701-D."  
 
Hope that helps.
     Joe R.
     WISE Div., NMRA
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From: rupertb@is.morgan.com (Rupert Brown)
Subject: NY Shops
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:54:35 GMT

Thanks to all of you who supplied details on both
The Train Shop &  The Red Caboose.
Sadly neither of them had any gearboxes or drive shaft
components for HO made in metal - I dont like using
plastic as I use solder wherever possible..
The Red Caboose guy has a real attitude problem too
- not at all helpful about what he had in stock/ prices

- Rupert
From: 737ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: dual motor DD40's
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:17:28 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <921112152441@d-cell.ftp.com>, stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles) writes:
> 
> 
> well, i would like to thank all of you for the help locating athearn DD40's,
> i purchased 2 about a month or so ago. (and now find the single motor
> versions listed in the walthers catalog, (although not allthe roads are
> there). 
> 
> the model has two motors, connected with a rod that goes past the "open"
> section in the body. this seems to be to keep the motors (each of which
> power one of the D trucks) sync'd, which keeps the wheels spinning at the
> same rate. when i take this off, they seem to spin that way anyway (slipping
> seems nonexistant). is there a good reasoin to leave this rod there, or can
> i take it off and not expect problems? what problems will i get if they do
> go at differnet speeds? why is this different frmo having two smaller locos
> that are not connected?

Well, all I can say is try it. It won't hurt unless you notice them not running
well together, you can always turn off the electricity. As I recall, mine has
a universla joint I think, on the rod that connects the 2 motors. I've thought
of doing that too, and closing up the inside of the hole to make it look
more like the prototype
good luck

Fred Ochs
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From: jhugart@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jacob Hugart)
Subject: N Gauge Track Questions -- Curved Turnouts
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:43:35 GMT


Greetings!

I'm currently constructing a layout in N using Atlas sectional track.  I
intend to use some flex track, and bond the whole thing to a cork roadbed
using the bonded ballast method.  (The cork is on my plywood table-top...so
sue me, it was handy, and I'm modelling a flat town, not the Rockies.)

The thing is, my design would be much better if I had some curved turnouts.
However, Atlas doesn't make any (that I know of), and the turnouts in the
Walther's catalog are expensive.  Also, I can't make sense of the (largely
imported) designations for the curves...what's the radius?  What number is the
frog? What code is the rail?

Also, the Atlas turnouts that I possess have those huge switch machines.  Once
upon a time, I saw an ad for an Atlas under-the-table switch machine.  Do
these actually exist?  Do they work with the standard momentary-contact
switches?  For that matter, would those curved turnouts work with such
switches?  Would it be worth my while to get some slow-motion switch-machines?
What do they require in order to trigger, momentary contact or...?

Thanks for your support.

Jacob Hugart  <jacob-hugart@uiowa.edu>
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   Leave nothing but footprints,
      Kill nothing but time.


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From: dbourne@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Bourne)
Subject: HOe gauge - What does the 'e' mean?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 11:23:15 GMT


HOe gauge trains are to 1/87 scale but run on 9mm gauge track.
This represents a prototype gauge of 2ft 6ins or 750mm.
What does the 'e' stand for?
I believe the term is of German origin.

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From: yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal)
Subject: Re: HOe gauge - What does the 'e' mean?
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.112315.8205@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dbourne@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Bourne) writes:
>
>HOe gauge trains are to 1/87 scale but run on 9mm gauge track.
>This represents a prototype gauge of 2ft 6ins or 750mm.
>What does the 'e' stand for?
>I believe the term is of German origin.
>

No that's not exactly right.

HOe means HO "etroit" (French for "Narrow" HOn...). HOe represents
a gauge of approximately 60 to 70 centimeters.

HOm stands for HO Metrique (gauge of 1 meter).

Hope this help.
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From: rajacobs@plg.uwaterloo.ca (Rory Jacobs)
Subject: n scale and HO scale train stuff for sale
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:02:03 GMT


Hi,

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this (I already put it in the forsale
groups), but where else am I going to find all you hobbyists.
                                                              myprice  brandnew
   n scale
  13 remote right switches Atlas #4 (used)                    $10      $20
   4 left remote switch Atlas #4 (used)                       $10      $20
   3 left remote roco small switch (new)                      $10      $30 (?)
   2 left remote roco smal switch (used)                      $8       $30 (?)
   1 left remote roco large switch (used)                     $10      ?


   HO Scale
   In ok shape, not great, all the engines run:
     7 engines, about 2 dozen cars.  A box full of track (including 2 pairs
     of switches, two transformes), and a tunnel.  All of this for $200
     Will sell peacemeal; make me an offer . . .

-Rory
   
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From: js@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Sawyer)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:13:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Computer Aided Track Planning
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
From: yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal)
Subject: CON-COR / KATO N-Scale Northern 4-8-4 
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:23:45 GMT
Followup-To: e-mail or group.

The title says it all : 

I am looking for one of the famous CON-COR / KATO steam engine 
      4-8-4 Northern in N-Scale.

Any information where I could get this engine, will be greatly
appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Yves
From: smithw@hamblin.math.byu.edu (Dr. William V. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Athearn reissue of DD40 ?
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:46:38
Organization: Brigham Young University-Math. Dept
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Has anyone heard whether Athearn will reissue the DD40 soon ?
Will they use the "new design" trucks when they do?

-Bill
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From: tag@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM (Tom Grancey)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Reference Books for Passenger Car Paint Schemes
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:09:17 GMT
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Does anyone out there have any leads on books that show passenger car
paint schemes?  I have a set I want to paint, no particular road in
mind, which is why I set out looking for books to get ideas.  A trip to a
well stocked hobby shop only produced funny looks.  These are
heavyweight style cars.

Thanx,

Tom
Xref: sparky rec.models.railroad:2208 sci.electronics:18451
From: jkelty@unlinfo.unl.edu (john kelty)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: "muscle wires"
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:03:10 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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Keywords: turnouts, "memory wire", nitinol

*
*
*

What is "MUSCLE WIRE"?   

-jkelty
From: muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Bachmann G guage ... 4-6-0 engines ...
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:18:14 GMT


  I have a Bachmann G guage 4-6-0 (mine is Rio Grande) ... same 
  engine as was mentioned earlier by Yoder re. "Thunderbolt
  Express".  Yoder also mentioned "bearings" ..

  Well anyway ... mine seems to run O.K., but it does "whine"
  somewhat.  Admittedly I have done adjustments or oiling or anything
  else...

  QUESTION #1 -> should I do some adjusting, oiling etc , I.E. WHAT
  IS YOUR EXPERIENCE with this engine?

  QUESTION #2 -> has anyone had one of these long enought to spot
  any "maintenance trends" ... I.E. IS ANY HISTORY DEVELOPING RE. 
  DEPENDABILITY, WEAR, MAINTENANCE NEEDS etc etc on this Bachmann
  engine ?

  ANY IDEAS, VIEWS would be appreciated.  Thanks.
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From: thomas@wrksys.enet.dec.com (RICH THOMAS)
Subject: Carrier controlled lighting
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:46:27 GMT


    It seems there are a number of schemes that can be used to obtain
    constant lighting. I am particularly interested in carrier controlled
    lighting. This is accomplished by applying a high frequency AC waveform
    to the track over the normal DC control voltage. Presumably, if a high
    enough frequency is used, the motor won't be affected by the AC but the
    lights will always be at full brilliance regardless of the DC voltage.
    I believe there have been some commercial power packs employing this
    technique. I would be interested in hearing comments on the benefits and
    problems of such a system. I would be particularly interested in any
    articles or schematics describing such a system.

    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Rich Thomas
    Digital Equipment Corp.
    thomas@wrksys.enet.dec.com
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