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From: saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson)
Subject: A modest porposal
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:23:55 GMT

I have been subscribed to this newsgroup for about a year,
and when I first began reading it, it was both timely, and
relevant.

But the topics have become stale as the popularity of the old
television show wanes, and FWWM appears to be the end of the End.

So, my idea is to change the format, and indeed the very essence
of this newsgroup from a tribute to a series of films which are
now history, to a complete discussion of the body of work (past
present and future) of the our hero, David Lynch.

What do you think?  At this point I'd much rather dicuss Blue
Velvet or The Angriest Dog in America, as opposed to rehashing
the themes of Twin Peaks.

Let me know.

Scotty AJ 
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From: furesz_t@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: RE: WiseGuy vs TP
Date: 5 OCT 92 15:46:22 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

NOOOOOO!  The Wiseguy people got the idea from Lynch.  I never saw the
actual episodes (perhaps someone could repost what they were all about).
They did air before TP but after the TP pilot had been made.  Everybody
in Hollywood new about TP the pilot (remember all the pre-hype) and
the Wiseguy people took the idea and bent it a bit (lynchboro , a crying
deputy who turns out to be the murderer, etc.)
Todd
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: bob dreams?
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:15:15 -0300
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <rhaller-290992103833@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> In article <92272.114918JM1678A@auvm.american.edu>, Jill Mc Fadden
> <JM1678A@auvm.american.edu> wrote:
>> 
> 
> "I too have been touched by the devilish one; tattoo on the left shoulder.
> Ah, but when I saw the face of God, I was changed. I took the entire arm
> off. My name is Mike. His name is BOB."
> 


You shoulda seen the looks on my fraternity brothers faces when I did this
little speech, than showed them my new owl petroglyph tattoo...

Mike
From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWMRING
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:48:02 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A REPLICA OF THE RING MADE? MUCH 
APPRECIATED

-JUSTICE

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From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: bob dreams?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:50:21 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

Jill Mc Fadden <JM1678A@auvm.american.edu> writes:

> can anyone tell me if there are two bobs one evil and one good? While the
> evil bob possesses leland for example is the good bob trapped in the black
> lodge like sp. agent cooper is at the end of the series? i ask this because
> i had a dream in which bob and i were friends.  he seemed to be good in this
> dream, but things are not what they seem.  i'm waiting to have another dream
> to see if bob remains good.

Well The OAM's(Not Mike, the man he possesses) best friend was a 
veterinarial named BOB, and he is as far as we can tell good. He is also 
connected to things in an unexplained way because Waldo, the mina bird who 
made the marks on Laura's sholder was a client :-)
          --=>Arogorn<=--
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From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Subject: Chinese Calendar
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:19:21 GMT

There were 12 candles in the dream sequence.  Each possibly standing for a year of the Chinese calendar.
Year of the Monkey  - FWWM
Year of the Dog     - FWWM
Year of the Goat    - Before Andrew Packard hits the Black Box, a flash of
the goat head on the wall is shown.
Year of the Pig     - Josie served the Pig head to catherine and Andrew.
Year of the Horse   - The White Horse.

Are the other 7 animals in the show somewhere?
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Bob Lydecker
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:59:33 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

-> And also, when questioned, the OAM says that on his arm (Episode
-> 1004)  was written "Mom", but did he actually say "Mom" or
-> did he say "Bob"  referring to a homosexual link between
-> him and BOB or Bob Lydecker.
I though of this too, but no one seems to agree they all think it is "MOM."

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From: neal.pritchard@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Neal Pritchard)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Little Things
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:09:16 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: Blojo@Xcf.Berkeley.Edu
BL>  * Why Donna was so entranced with wearing Laura's sunglasses.
Donna wanted to be like Laura for a couple of reasons, one being that
Laura had captured James'es heart and another being that she was
VERY popular and a free spirit

BL>  * Why Donna burst into tears when sitting at a certain booth in the
BL>    Roadhouse.
Wouldn't have the foggiest, except that maybe that was their special
seat in the Roadhouse.

Neal Pritchard

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From: campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: More from Picket Fences
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:31:46 GMT
Organization: GE Fanuc Automation, North America


  
IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN!


  On this week's "Peaks-wanna-be" Picket Fences:  A guest appearance by Michael

J. Anderson (the LMFAP).


IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN!


Doug
From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Tape Record It
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 03:12:53 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

To get the best and official sounding of GARMONBOZIA, borrow someones 
mini cassette recorder and bring it in to the theater. I did, and I've 
been having lots of fun with it, especially on my answering machine.
May you have just as much fun.

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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Blue Rose reference in Tennessee Williams' "Glass Menagerie"
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     Jim, the gentleman caller, remembers that he used to refer
     to the self-conscious, shy and crippled Amanda (or is it
     Amanda's daughter...?) as "Blue Roses" in high school
     when she had been out sick for a while and he misheard
     her explain that she'd had Pleurosis.

     I didn't see any really self-evident connections in the
     text, and despite screwing up the names here, I do know
     the play really well.  
     The only similarity - probably coincidence, but then in
     literary criticism, authors' intent doesn't really matter
     does it? - is that Blue Roses is essentially a fond code
     name for a debilitating disease.  A mask for a "cancer"
     eating away from the inside out.

     This could be how Gordon Cole sees the Owls, and there
     are certainly masks involved.


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: neal.pritchard@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Neal Pritchard)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Plee from Australia!!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:30:04 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

For GOD'S SAKE people. Put SPOILER warnings on any messages that have to
do with "Fire Walk With Me".  We here in Aus are waiting for it to be
released and are TRYING not to "hear" too much about the plot.  We ALSO
would like the ability to enjoy the movie WITHOUT knowing the next
scene!

Have some compassion for us poor, forgotten souls from the land down-
under and MARK your messages... please...

Neal Pritchard
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From: miuvdd@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: AUSTRALIAN RELEASE DATE : FWM
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:00:35 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University



	Finally, finally, finally, fainlly, finally......

	An Australian release date has fianlly been announced
	for "Fire Walk With Me"!!!!!!


	Oh, what is it?	December 5.......





	Morgana
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	I guess you could say that about most things in life. It's
	not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind.
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From: furesz_t@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Chet Loves Thereasa?
Date: 6 OCT 92 13:44:11 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

I like that theory which is making the rounds but I need to see FWWM
again to determine if I agree.  I recall that when I was watching
it I thought he was looking for a clue (she had the infamous ring
on in the photo but perhaps we are missing something more in that
pic).  What do others think?

Todd
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD)
Subject: Cuts From FWWM
Summary: stuf
Keywords: cut
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:45:54 GMT

I know I mentioned this already at the tail end of another comment, but I'd
like to question something that someone mentioned earlier about the 3 
minutes that were cut from FWWM, which supposedly included scenes with
Annie recovering in the hospital.
For one, why would Annie be shown in the hospital, since in this film she
wouldn't even be IN Twin Peaks yet, unless it was some sort of Black Lodge
"flash-ahead".
As far as cuts from the movie go, I read, presumably before the cuts were
made, that there were scenes with Bobby and his father talking, and with
Josie Packard. I saw this info in Spin and People magazine, did anybody
else see this stuff? Hopefully on the video version we'll get to see these
scenes, as well as the gruesome stuff at the end that was cut before the
film was shown in the US (and was probably the reason everybody hated it
at Cannes).
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Oct Film Threat FWWM article a real treat
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:15:56 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

Some person, to whom I am deeply grateful, mentioned that a magazine called
'Film Threat' had an article on FWWM. I finally ran down a copy.  It is
GREAT!  There are 15 pages of material including photos and interviews with
BOB, MFAP, and the Log Lady.  There are quotes in the main articles and the
interviews that shed light on the development of both FWWM and TP.

They hadn't seen the film yet, so don't review it, but the article is
wildly positive for the most part. I'm looking forward to their review,
though it could be negative. The mag is pretty critical.  My guess is that
they are trying to make up all by themselves for all the bullshit
propoganda disguised as reviews that so-called critics put out to please
the studios.  They call themselves 'The Other Move Magazine.'

Anyway, I highly recommend this ($3.95US). It's worth the trouble to find
it.
As a last resort, try calling their circulation king [sic], Rich Convertito
at (310)858-7100, ext. 168. He should know if there is a place near you
that carries it or how you can order it.  Very funny mag in general. I'm
going to subscribe.

-Rich Haller
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: vmmspit@cs.ruu.nl (Valentijn Spit)
Subject: FWWM in Netherlands
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:12:43 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: when


 Can anybody tell me when FWWM 'comes to' the Netherlands.
 Nobody seems to know anything about it here!
 Thanks,
   Valentijn.

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From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Subject: Re: Picket Fences (New TV Show)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:19:41 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep29.143116.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Sep28.083614.438@cho006.cho.ge.com>, campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:
|> > 
|> >   I'm surprised I have not seen any postings about Picket Fences.  This is 
|> > another Twin Peaks rip-off which is being touted as the "best show of the new 
|> > season."    
|> 
|> (premise details deleted)
|> 
etc....

If you're going to be watching TV Friday's at 10, instead of Picket
Fences, I'd strongly recommend "I'll Fly Away".  It is not TP from a
story-telling sense, but the ambiguity and lack of clear right and
wrong in the character's lives has some parallels to TP, in my
opinion.  The characters are living through confusing times,
witnessing unsettling events, and they don't always react in the right way.

Although it's from the same folks who created Northern Exposure (and
St. Elsewhere :-)), the episodes are not wrapped up with happy little
endings and Chris-in-the-Morning homilies.

NBC only ordered 13 episodes this season, so watch it while you can.

Mark
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:13:25 GMT
Subject: Re: David Lynch's comment
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl) writes:

>  
> Sad but true: There won't be any more new Twin Peaks films :-(


YAAAAYYYY!!

doug
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: LMFAP and Mike
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:53:54 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <ZTe4RB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays) writes:
>In the script available from the company that someone posted here about, 
>on page 36, in the David Bowie scene... it states:

>"...in the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
>formica table."

>The MFAP and Mike are the same!  "Mike" is in parentheses after MFAP, as 
>if they were exactly the same entities.

Well, the LMFAP and Michael J. "Mike" Anderson, the actor who plays him,
are in a sense "one and the same".
From: rworman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert B Worman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: re: On the Air
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:48:13 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University


I believe reading somewhere that only six episodes of "On the Air" were made.
ABC had planned to air all six, but, after incredibly low ratings, they stopped
with just three.  I have read nothing about "On the AIr" being cancelled or
being a future mid-season replacement; however, I seriously doubt that it will
be back.
               I'm posting this from a friend's account, so please post any 
responses on the net to save him the certain deluge of mail!


                                                  M.B
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JC:    "She turned me into a newt!"       |       Rob Worman
[long pause]                              |
JC:    "...Well, I got better"            |
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From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: I disagree..
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:45:38 GMT


I disagree with the person who suggested changing the format of this 
group and to stop discussing what he/she considers a 'dead topic'.
The main reason I think that this is NO NO is because every day I come
in here and read I see someones new and interesting theory and insight
into Twin Peaks the series and FWWM.
I think TP is far from a dead topic if this many people still want to
talk about it and enjoy re-hashing ideas and theories, and exploring 
new ones!

Just my $.02 
:->

Susan
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TV Guide
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:29:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Looking through some old "Cheers & Jeers"...

I'm surprised that TV Guide, the magazine that jeered the second-season
premiere for being so slow, jeered #2009 for not making sense, jeered the
finale for not wrapping the show up, and has generally boosted Northern
Exposure as being better than Peaks... actually cheered FWWM two or three
weeks ago.  They said that it was a great present for fans, not meant for
the critics who had been deriding it so mercilessly.

And they said that without a hint of irony.  :-)
From: ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: That GAP commercial
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:48:09 GMT

Is it just me, or does the model in the GAP commercial ("Sky fits heaven...")
look *a lot* like Madchen Amick?


							--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga	
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AKA "Indiana" Koga   ||"It's not the years, honey.  It's the mileage."
ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu   ||--Marion R. & "Indiana" Jones, "Raiders Of The Lost Ark"
Finger animage@ferkel.ucsb.edu for the latest Cal-Animage Gamma information...
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: WiseGuy vs TP
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:18:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct4.120605.20818@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> eitan@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Shternbaum Eitan) writes:
>I remember several episodes in WiseGuy that occured in a small town in the
>north of the U.S. in those episodes agent taranova arrives to a wierd
>town to investigate murder cases.

>do you think david lynch got his inspiration from those episodes ?

Other way round.  They saw the TP pilot, which was on the shelf long before
the series premiere, and wrote the Wiseguy storyline around it.

After all, isn't the town called Lynchboro?  BIG HINT.  :-)
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Gesar: Tibetan Arthur (was Glastonbury)
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:23:34 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep29.132907.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep21.105917.7654@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> In article <RJRcRB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
>>> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>>> 
>> All this stuff leads me to believe that maybe people are being nabbed so that
>> the will serve humanity in its hour of greatest need. Maybe Aurthur, and 
> (stuff deleted)
>> 
>> Mike
> 
> Here comes a Tibetan tie-in again. Their epic hero, Gesar of Ling, is
> commonly believed to be *sleeping* until his people have great need of
> him again, at which time he will arise and lead a great army that will
> defeat the world-wide enemy, just like King Arthur of Great Britian.
> 

Of course, there are so many people bleieved to be sleeping until they
are needed at humanity's greatest hour of need, I don't think ther'll
be any problem with the enemy ;-)

> As I noted in a previous post, I see an Arthurian motif in the fact
> that both Teresa Banks and Laura Palmer were floated down the river.
> This relates to Elaine the Lily Maid, who was hopelessly in love with
> Launcelot (hope I'm correct there), and killed herself because he only
> had eyes for Queen Guinevere. In TP and FWWM, both victems were killed
> on land, presumably far from a river (wooded upland), so had to be
> wrapped in plastic, transported however far it was, and then set afloat
> on the river -- great shot of Teresa floating down the Wind River in
> FWWM -- so the action obviously did not follow logically, but had to be
> included because of its symbolism or mythic motif value. Make sense?
> 


All this makes sence, but I wonder if BOB wasn't trying to recreate Viviene
of the Lake instead of Elaine, or if he read Tennyson (The Lady of Shalott).

Whatever, Lynch really is into the Aurthurian thang... I wonder if Windom
id Lancelot then... Authur's (coop's) closest ally who turns on him.
Or maybe Coop is Lancelot to Windom's Aurthur, since he fell in love with 
Caroline. I dunno... anyone else have an idea?

Mike
From: cygnus@wpi.WPI.EDU (Marshall Robin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Tibetan in upstate NY
Date: 26 Sep 1992 16:45:56 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep25.235821.14629@scott.skidmore.edu> acaffrey@scott.skidmore.edu (alanna caffrey) writes:
>Come on the "Donna" in the movie must offended other
>people's senses as well as mine.

we thought it appropriate to yell "scab!" real loud whenever she appeared
on the screen...

and she looked like she was about 14...if the effect was to be to make donna
appear like a little girl imitating her big sister...they succeeded. but
donna and laura closest friends? chyeah right...

-marsh

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