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From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:25:58 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <71817@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Well, that's great
>- My point is riducuolous prjections based on outlandish assumptions. There
> is no need to exaggerate the extent of the AIDS problem as there is no need
> to ignore it.


Then make yourself as clear as possible.  Your other post suggested that
there was no need for any alarm or concern about the AIDS epidemic.

It is necessary to remain vigilant and aware of what is going on, there
is nothing wrong with making projections based upon best available knowledge
and I would not always count of TV news programs to give you the facts
in a clear and concise manner.  Read some journals on the subject.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian Angst
From: lkim@swri.edu (Louis Kim)
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:29:39 CST
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

I'm disturbed the recent increased frequency of discussions on inter-racial 
relationships.  All this attention paid to the subject reveals a 
embarrasing amount of angst about our own self-image as 'attractive' 
people.  Some discussions on this topic are enlightening and helpful; but 
there comes a point where we should stop trying analyze who were dating, 
why we were dating who were dating, and why we can't date who we want to 
date.  Let's forget about the percentages and find the best person for us, 
regardless of race.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:28:01 GMT

In article <71817@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>- Not everyone is at risk. The rate of HIV+ among Catholic nuns is extremely
>  low.

Come on Arthur, don't be ridiculus.  Catholic nuns *don't* fuck.  (Well
they are not supposedThis).  It is the same as saying that the rate of
HIV+ among eunuch's (or whatever you call those castrated men) is low.
Perhap you should know that
the rate of HIV+ among well informed people who practice safe-sex is
also very low.

> It is absurd to say there is not difference between the risk to a
>  gay in San Francisco, or drug user in NYC and a farmer in South Dakota are
> the same. There is a huge difference. Anyone who said AIDS does not
>  discrminate does not discriminate between a 1 in 2 chance of being HIV+
>  for a gay drug user and 1 in 100,000 for the farmer in Fargo.

Ok maybe the risk factor/levels are different for different groups of
people but it is not something that can be easily measured.  The point
is AIDS exists everywhere.  You are doing a diservice to the Asian
American
communities by telling people that Asian Americans  belong to a low risk group.

>- My point is riducuolous prjections based on outlandish assumptions. There
> is no need to exaggerate the extent of the AIDS problem as there is no need
> to ignore it.

Why be so ignorant, Arthur?  Remember "AIDS doesn't kill, ignorance
does".  

Dan

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From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Seeking articles on L.A. 1992 Spring Disturbance
Date: 20 Dec 1992 17:33:07 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'm writing short paper in which I hope to explore the roots
of the L.A. 1992 Spring Disturbance - in particular the dynamics
between the African American and Korean community.

Did anyone save relevant articles that they could post to me?

Some of the questions I want to explore are:

(1) How isolated are the Koreans from the South Central neighborhood?

(2) What were the Koreans doing there?  Was their a balanced mix
    business ownership?

(3) Did the Koreans have an unfair advantage?  Was it easier for them
    to get government aid or private loans?  Did they funnel money
    away from the Black community?

(4) Did the media prolong the disturbance by showing Koreans on roof tops
    with guns?

(5) Did rap songs and movies like "Do the Right Thing" intensify the
    animosity between Blacks and Koreans, or do they just reflect
    public feeling?

Thanks,

Alex Miller
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:43:57 GMT

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

>As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
>in the field can be, William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
>human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects
>that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he
>told a Senate hearing. Now wait just one minute. That's one in 5, or a
>20% rate out of a world of 5 billion people. 

   I suppose this needs hardly to be told to that great majority of
people on the net who have achieved at least fourth grade arithmetic
ability, but for the record, some one should point out publicly that
the statement that one billion human beings will become infected with
the aids virus over the next one hundred years is not even
approximately the same as the statement that one fifth of a world
population of five billion people will become infected with the aids
virus.     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:25:35 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1garirINNa99@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>What do you bet that when President-elect Clinton gets through with
>making his Cabinet "look like America," there will be African-Americans
>and Hispanics, but no Asian-Americans in it?
>-- 
>Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
>achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
>                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *


Clinton is not <NOT> the GREAT WHITE HOPE, sodont 1. get all upset if the above dosent happen
2. expect miracles. @nd coming might be nigh, but not this nigh
3. remember:DIVIDE and CONQUER.......
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: lam@samichlaus (Dan Lam)
Subject: What to do w/ Arthur Re: More AIDS absurdity -
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:37:34 GMT

In article <1gltrcINN24e@hpscit.sc.hp.com> may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com writes:
>Goangshiuan Ying (sgsying@en.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
>: In article <71735@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>: How can we do something about this Mr. Hu?  Aparently, he is living in his 
>: own world and only believe what he want's to believe. 
>Simple.  Kill files.  Best thing about news in my opinion.  Arguing with
>people like A----- H- and C------ C----- is a waste of time & disk space.

No, not Kill files.  We need to counter argue him using *facts*, personal
experiences or other *facts* we learned from friends and families.  No I
am not suggesting we try to convince Arthur, he is kinda hopeless.  What
we are afraid is there aer many other netters who might buy all the bullshit Mr.
Hu
has been throwing around.

Hey Arthur, I thought all the Asian men are sooooo smart and "they all
go to engineering schools " and are very open_minded.  So why are you so
stupid and ignorant?  You are worse than my mother.

dan

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Political Power--Please start crossposting
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:26:36 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: math.tamu.edu
Originator: achin@math

My posting on "The Clinton Cabinet" (the likely lack of Asian-Americans
in it) seems to have been subsumed by the thread in soc.culture.asian.american
on "Political Power."  Could people therefore start cross-posting the
"Political Power" topic to soc.culture.african.american and 
alt.politics.clinton, please.  Also, those interested in "The Clinton
Cabinet" thread can continue to follow the discussion in s.c.asian.a.

I believe that AAs make up 3.0 percent of the US population, although there
is evidence to suggest that AAs were substantially undercounted in the 1990
Census.  There are 14 Cabinet and 12 additional top-level Executive Office
of the President posts.  We should expect an AA to fill a Cabinet post about
once every three presidential administrations, instead of, say, none yet.

It's true that if there are no AAs in Clinton's cabinet this does not indicate
racism.  On the other hand, it will perpetuate the misperception at the heart
of most discrimination against Asian-Americans throughout history -- that we
are foreigners, and that a genetically Asian face is not the picture of an
American.

I won't disapprove of Clinton simply because he doesn't appoint an AA to
the cabinet.  But I hope you'll excuse me if I take his claim that his
cabinet "looks like America" with a hefty grain of salt.


Possible nominees:

Elaine Chao, Deputy Secretary of Transportation (Transportation)

The president of the United Way is also Asian-American (HUD)

Other offices where Asian-American candidates could easily come to mind
are Surgeon General and Office of Science and Technology; this last office
has already been discussed in some length in the "Political Power" thread.
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:26:37 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: police harrassment

AA's.
        
       As an observer I would like to say that no matter where your
institution is it has to abide by thelaws of his the state on which it
sits. So, this is an avenue, forcefully exert your civil rights and
threat to take the institution into open court. The police on campus are
the responsibility of the institution. Usually, the Student Affairs
Office. Don't go to them(or talk). They are "The Great Consolers"! Go or
write to the legal departmant of the institution and say something like:
I am currently persueing a method of civil action against your
client____________(School name in the blank). I would, however, like to
avoid
damaging the opportunity of future student from coming here. We or I
would like to discuss this matter with the university provost(usually,
honest but this person to is a "Greater Consoler" if your naive. And,
see what happens! Now, I
know the position that a student is in(finacial). but, don't fret! Your
State has a whole organization to deal with this matter. The Department
of Education and if you're really go to the organization who gives the
school its right to
accrediation. I have a problem with this kind of situation on American
University campus'. And, don't be scared! Think of the person behind
you!! Good luck!!!!
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From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Asian cliques.  Why?
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:16:47 GMT
Organization: Meta - Software

In article <QDV=pl-@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.065201.8195@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dwight Joe,
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.025126.22261@hspice.portal.com>
>>georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:

>>>I started calling people who I know are qualified,especially those who I know
>>>are also looking to leave my old employer.  This means an unusual fraction of
>>>candidates I refer will be Asian or Asian-American. It's the same thing. My
>>>social circles include alot of professional aquaintances.  My social circles
>>>include alot of Asian-Americans.
>>>
>>>     Sounds alot like the old boy network in reverse now, doesn't it?
>>
>>Interesting standard.  According to many Chinese-cu people, the "old
>>boy network" is bad if that network is White but is good if that
>>network is full of non-Whites--specifically Chinese-ge.  Interesting.
>
>I really don't think he intended it that way.  It is more a comment on human
>nature, that is, people tend to look out for the group they identify with. 
>This is a natural result from the fact that human beings are gregarious (sp?)
>creatures.  George Wu wasn't passing judgement, just bringing up a point and leaving
>the reader to judge.

     Pretty close.  I wasn't looking out for any racial group, just my friends.
A stranger couldn't get a referral from me, even if (s)he were Chinese.  As
Michael states, I was pointing out that one's social circles inevitably have an
effect on one's professional actions, regardless of any intent or lack thereof.

     You'll have to forgive Dwight.  He's of the mindset in which anyone who
disagrees with him is automatically Chinese-cu, and therefore a priori guilty
of racism, sexism, etc.  Pretty unAmerican-cu.

							George


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Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:39:46 GMT

In article <1gbblpINN11a@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole E. Mah) writes:
>This is another test posting. The first one did not go through.

Hey, glad you found a way to the net.  Welcome!

>
>I am another lurking AAF. Since ppl asked for input from
>AAF, the question being, whom do you date, and why -- here goes.
>
	[Dating history deleted.]
>  There is one factor people havent acknowledged very much, and that
>factor is CLASS. yes, there is such a thing in this country!

Wait, are you implying that Asian-American men have NO CLASS???
I'm offended!!!  *I* certainly have class, although I guess I'm not
a typical Asian-American male.  Oh!  You mean socio-economic class.  :-)

	[Cross-class dating problem anecdotes deleted.]
>  Now I am seeing a very wonderful caucasian woman
>who works a zillion hours to pay her way through grad
>school, and who, like me, grew up in a lower-lower-middle
>class family in the midwest.
>   I am not saying that class is more impt. than other
>factors. Only that ppl should also take it into account.
>Carole
>---------------------------------
>carole elaine mah
>st701852@brownvm.bitnet
>st701852@brownvm.brown.edu
>Carole_Mah@brown.edu
>---------------------------------

Yes, yes, yes.  Socio-economic class does (and probably should)
play a huge role in whether people share values/experiences/etc.

Hmm, is race that well-correlated with socio-economic class?
And is there a marked difference in the classes of Asian-American men
and Asian-American women, explaining the markedly non-random ratio
of AAF/WM couples to AAM/WF couples?  How about in the gay community?
(Very early on, I heard about the some-white-guys-with-Asian-fetish
from gay friends.  cf. "Rice Queens")
						--Alan Hu
----------
I am not Arthur Hu.  I am NOT Arthur Hu.  I AM NOT ARTHUR HU.

I am not a neo-conservative writer for AsianWeek.  I did not go
to MIT.  I do not conduct phone surveys.  I am not married.
I do not believe in Dan Quayle's family values.

Arthur Hu is a fine person.  So am I.  We are not, however, the same person.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.182702.19737@sarah.albany.edu> ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
(Jenny Shum) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.224853.23739@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>Hey, Chinese-cu boy.  Laugh at yourself.
>What the hell is your problem?!!! I can stand a lot of the crud that comes out
>of your mind and that which you choose to permeate this newsgroup with...but
>where the hell do you get off making a comment like that? I didn't see the
>relevance of it and it basically reaffirms the FACT that you are a racist and
>haven't learned to relate to other people without bringing their race into it.

This is a bizarre accusation which leads me to suspect that Ms. Shum 
identifies with Chinese-cu culture.

"Chinese-cu" means "culturally Chinese".  "Chinese-ge" means "ethnicially
(i.e. genetically) Chinese".  I was not accusing the dimwit of being ethnically
Chinese-ge; I was accusing him of identifying with Chinese-cu culture.
I have no idea as to whether he is Chinese-ge or not since I've never met
him; however, he has admitted to identifying with Chinese-cu culture.
For about the 100th time, Chinese-cu != Chinese-ge.

It's interesting that Ms. Shum thinks that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge.
Even more interesting is the fact that rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis have
the same view.

(On top of that, Ms. Shum thinks that the Chinese-ge are a "race".  Wow.
That's news to me.  I know of only 3 (or 4, depending on how you count)
races:  Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid; these are the terms which
I learned in school from my sociology instructor.

But the Chinese-ge are a "race" as distinct from the Japanese-ge "race"?
My.  My.  Perhaps Chinese-cu hegemony is more pervasive than I suspected.)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Old-fashioned Asian men (was Re: Asian-male, nerd, geek, etc.)
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:38:19 GMT

jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.171241.5369@nas.nasa.gov> choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>>>You make it seem like "old-fashioned" Asian men are like poison!  And in all
>>>fairness, you're not the only one.  It seems like *everyone* here, women and
>>>men, AA and non-AA alike seem to despise the "old-style" Asian man.  Geez, do
>>>all you 1st- and 2nd- gen AA kids hate your dads so much?
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>Sheesh!!  Is there no perspective in this newsgroup?
>>>
>>>Jim
>>
>>1. I'm 4th gen not 1st and 2nd.  
>
>I'm well aware of that.  You posted your bio on this newsgroup before,
>remember?
>
>That comment about "do all you 1st- and 2nd- gen AA kids" wasn't for you,
>unless you think "all you" == Diana Choi.
>

No ...but as you were responding to my posting I wasn't aware that
"all you" meant everyone else EXCEPT FOR Diana Choi.

>>3. The line about getting rid of our outmoded parents was a joke.....
>>   get it ....ha ha ha ha :) :) :)
>
>Well, people who don't use smileys tend to have their jokes taken the wrong
>way.  Theater geek is a prime example.  However, I'll keep your deadpan style
>in mind in the future.

That's okay ...its time to unsubscribe, anyway.  
>
>>Sheesh!!  Is there no sense of humor in this newsgroup?
>
>Sure there is.  You're just not very funny.
>
>Jim

real nice, jim., you're a real charmer.

diana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)
 Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re: OFWM....)
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:20:49 GMT

jtteh@borland.com (J.T. Teh) writes:

>berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)  Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:

>>As for my parents, they don't mind us girls dating Caucasian 
>>men as long as we don't date African-American men (don't ask me
>>why) and that my brother find himself a nice Chinese girl.  Of
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Why is that so? Why can't your parents be as open minded towards
>daughter-in-laws as they are to son-in-laws? Is it because
>the son will have to carry the family name and musn't "taint"
>the family line? My dad didn't mind my brother marrying a
>caucasian but my mom did. However, she has now accepted it.

>- JT
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>J.T. Teh      Borland International Inc.     jtteh@genghis.borland.COM
>                                                       MCI Mail: JTTEH

>                " WILL  CODE  FOR  CAR  PAYMENTS ! "
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I guess I should clarify that this was said a few years ago when I 
started dating.  My brother still hasn't gotten around to actually
dating yet but he has expressed some interest in certain girls and
not all of them have been Chinese.  Actually I think he had a crush 
on a caucasian girl back in high school.  IMHO, I think he'll most
likely end up going out with a non-Asian girl.  This may be because
when he was in high school he had these Chinese girls (the really
chatty and gossipping types) harrass him about going to the senior 
prom with one of them.  He didn't want to go with any of them if it
was just for the sake of going to the prom.  Funny how none of those
girls ever really talked to him until that year.  But I digress.

My brother is a good looking kid.  I'm sure he can get a date if he 
wanted to.  It's up to him whether or not he decides to date non-
Asian or Asian women.  Right now I don't think my parents are pushing
him to choose one way or another.


[excuse the extra .sig, i've managed to have nn append my own .sig
but not without appending the other as well.  Any clues? Thanks]

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