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From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Children of the Rainbow (cont.)
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:06:25 GMT
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

In article <rizzoe.741.728082084@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:

   Joseph Fernandez, Chancellor of the New York City public school system, 
   announced today that he was withdrawing the Children of the Rainbow  
   Curriculum as it was originally submitted and will be offering a revised 
   version which omits "Daddy's New Roommate" and "Heather Has Two Mommies" 
   from the reading list.  Also, all mention of gays and lesbians will be 
   omitted but the phrase "same gendered parents" will be used instead.

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm offended.
			Tom
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:21:05 GMT

In article <1jmvquINNp94@morrow.stanford.edu> alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.160816.26950@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>>
>>(2) since it is now undrinkable for bitterness, add a small quantity
>>of cold milk;
>>
>AND you MUST pour the milk BEFORE the tea, or you are REALLY a heathen!
>(and if you, like me, don't take milk with your tea, you must be some sort
>of savage) 

There is no sin against not taking milk.  And Brits don't mind coffee as much
as everyone says they do.  The last time i was in England, I spent a few days
with a family in Harrowgate.  Tea was more of an afternoon (Tea time) and 
breakfast beverage.  Coffee was treated as an after dinner drink.  And with
coffe you pour the milk after the coffee.  VVery carefully over the back of a 
spoon to create a layer of cream at the surface of the coffee.  It's wonderful.
I almost wish I drank coffee so I could enjoy that experience again. 

					Steve (wondering what sicko invented
						the concept of drinking left-
						over coffee grounds and calling
						it espresso)

>
>Alpha
>I can't believe I am still in this thread
>
>
>
>-- 
>Alpha Schram	alpha@w6yx.stanford.edu*"My legs are getting so they don't
>1974 CB360 (Sexy Sadie)		       * percolate so well anymore!"
>"It's not a big motorcycle,	       *       --my grandmother, 13.Jan.93
>just a groovy little motorbike..."     *---------ROMANI ITE DOMUM---------

-- 
| Stephen C. Litterst           |*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*|  
| kyraan@bach,udel.edu          |       More man than you'll ever be...   |
| litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu    \   More woman than you'll ever get.     |
|_guido@gnu.ai.mit.edu____________\ ______________________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: zwicky@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky)
Subject: Re: subscribe
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: get it right!
Organization: outil, stanford, lsa, osu,...
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:00:27 GMT

in article <C1BGxH.E55@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (brent
capps) responds to markd@urjwc.ucla.edu (mark a. davis)'s request

    >>Please subscribe me.

by exclaiming
 
  >Oh dear, we've converted another one.

no, NO, brent!  get it right.  it's *recruited*.

arnold (in a small window of feverless functioning, in the midst of
  several days of an appalling cold/flu/whatever)

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From: mchan@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Ming-Hing Chan)
Subject: Advice needed-Bad comming out experience
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:29:38 GMT


Hi all,

I have a jewish friend (almost 18) who just came out to his parents.  Their
parents are taking it very hard, especially his mother. He had bought a lot
of books for them to read about homosexuality.  However, his parents refused
to read them.  Her mother's argument was that all those books were biased
and prejudiced and she didnt' want to read them, so it is virtually impossible
to change their minds about all the stereotypes and negative views they 
have.  I told him that he should drag them to a PFLAG meeting, but he
said they would not go because of the same reason. Also, they are buying
into the old belief that homosexuality is a disease.  Of course, it has been
widely known that it is no longer classified as such.  His mother just
dismissed this declassification as a result of political pressure from
gay activists instead of true change in medical thinking.  

They sent him to a psychiatrist to try to 'CURE' him. The worst thing is
that the psychiatrist told his mother that he could change if he wanted to.
His mom truly thinks that he can be cured.   She told him that it wasn't bad
to have a disease as long as you try to cure it.  She said, "why don't you
want to take some pills just like your father does to control his 
high-blood pressure.'
Her mom wanted him to date some girls.  She wanted him to give her 2 yrs
to try dating girls.  She placed this guilt trip on him:  "I have
done so much for you in my life, why can't you just give me 2 yrs. Just
try dating for 2 yrs.  That's all I ask" -- his mom.  

The worst thing is that his mom is really suicidal.  She cries almost every
time he sees her.  His father said to him, "see what you've done to your
mom, you little monster."  His father said that he had never seen her
this way.  My friend is also very depressed too.  

What should he do?  He doesn't have many friends and he doesn't have any
one close to talk to either because him parents made him promised not to
tell anybody related or anyone who knows the family.  He is in a very bad
situation with no one to turn to.  I'm just a casual acquaintance.

On top of that, he has 2 homophobic roommates who suspect him to be gay and
constantly harass him.  He had to go home every weekend (I think his 
parents are monitoring him).

Any advice to deal with this will be welcomed and forwarded to him.
Email is preferred.

Thanks in Advance

Hing 

-- 
*-----*   Hing Chan  (mchan@cs.ucla.edu chan@gsaup.ucla.edu)
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  \ /     
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From: ridgway@athena.mit.edu (Lee Ridgway)
Subject: "Company B" [was Re: You wan' Kulture?]
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:43:04 GMT

In article <mattm-260193092939@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
|> I'll gives you Kulture - the San Francisco Ballet company will be
|> performing several dances set to the *Andrews* *Sisters*
|> 
|> Now, *that* is *art*

This sounds like "Company B," a choreography from
the Paul Taylor Dance Company, and you had better go see it!

The dances are set to about 6 Andrews Sisters hits from World War II, and are a
subtle play on the mores and emotions of the time. As the dance starts, you get
set up for camp, which makes the not-so-subtle gay scene all the more startling.
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Lesbian and Gay Band at Inaugural, update
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:26:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.200607.24701@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
> Feelings
>get amplified in a crowd, sometimes to the point of irrationality,

So true.  In 1973 I marched in the World's Largest Marching
Band in Nixon's inaugural parade.  There were 1976 of us
(it's true), and the whole thing made me wildly nauseous.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Organization: Motorola
Date: 25 Jan 1993 05:46:53 CST


Well, I don't know how relevant some of you might think this is
- and I'm sure that *someone* will flame me for this -
but.............
one thing I *have* noticed is that there seems to be a lot of
contempt for other sexual-minority (or sub-minority) groups
i.e. people who have other sexual interests as well as their
sexual 'base' (gay/lesbian/het/bi) from gay people.
(I have personal experience of this)

Now I know that not *everyone* is as condemning/narrow-minded
but if gays/lesbians - who are themselves effectively a minority
group - condemn other minorities, how the hell are they supposed
to be able to come to terms with the other aspects of their
sexuality? Even more so, as an example, if someone is gay
and has a paraphiliac desire, how are they expected to cope
or deal with their feelings if they speak to a gay friend
and get told they are a pervert or need curing?
(Again, this has happened to me! :-( )

Any input on this will be gladly appreciated.

Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:22:03 GMT

In article <C1E16B.G4z@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. 
Beason) writes:

>We don't talk about it because it looks bad; for the same reason we don't talk
>about domestic violence in same-sex couples, same-sex rape amongst openly gay/
>les/bi folk, alcoholism in the community, etc.

Maybe those things aren't talked about wherever the hell you are, but they
are certainly discussed in the San Francisco Bay area. 


-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
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From: rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Rosario Gennaro)
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:35:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.115952.7979@schbbs.mot.com> TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler) writes:

>It's *nothing* to do with either 'Yaz' *or* 'YAZOO'
>but a female singer called Yazz who released the single
>'Stand up for your love rights'

As it should be clear by now, Yazz is a group and Vince Clark and Alison 
Moyet's Yaz(oo) another one :)

>N.B. it *should* still be available on C.D.

Well I looked for it at Tower Records in Boston and NYC and did not find it. 
I consulted a computer catalogue at Tower Records in NYC and it said 
"Out of Print" and the clerk told me that this means that they can't order it 
for me. :(

Anyway thanks all for your suggestions

---rosario

--
======================================================================
Rosario Gennaro                           rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu
                                          gennaro@athena.mit.edu
Laboratory for Computer Science
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Cambridge MA 02139

 "... la tua loquela ti fa manifesto di quella nobil patria natio ..."
                                          Inf. X
======================================================================
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! :-)
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:39:25 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <1993Jan21.131507.8677@schbbs.mot.com>, TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler) writes:
|> Sorry everyone, just couldn't resist spilling the beans
|> about my birthday tomorrow.
|> I will be the ripe old age of 25! :-(

25 was a fun year.

|> <sob> I want to be 21 again!

Why?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have found the aging process
to be fun and entertaining.  At 26 (ooohh....) to be a different sort
of fun from 21.  It is good to know that you slow down eventually...


FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Sowell Off Target
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:02:53 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <19930121135912ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) wrote:

> Well, the Hoover Institute is a conservative think tank, somewhat like
> the Heritage Foundation. I can recall reading an article about a year
> ago in the LA Times about how the Hoover Institute got established at
> Stanford. I believe it's a question of their having endowed the school
> with a big hunk of change.

All that notwithstanding, Hoover Tower would make for a great
place to boink.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth16.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Sowell Off Target
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:40:32 GMT

msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:

>In article <19930119103451ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>>         (from the GLAAD/LA Reports - February Issue)
>> 
>> Sowell Off-Target...
>> 
>>   The Dec. 21 issue of Forbes magazine carried a column by
>>   Thomas Sowell of Stanford's Hoover Institution decrying the
>>   possibility of lifting the ban on the service of openly gay
>>   and lesbian citizens in the military.  

>I accidentally read an article by this jerk in the Columbus Dispatch
>while I was home over the holidays.  He said that the purpose of
>bilingual education programs in California was to allow Spanish
>speaking children not to learn English.  How can the Hoover Institution
>tolerate such intellectual dishonesty?  How can Stanford tolerate
>the Hoover Institution?

There are so MANY of these right-wing ``think tanks'' it isn't funny! The 
Hoover Institute is some $30+ million foundation that has a huge building on
the Stanford campus. 

Dunno much else about him excot that he has a syndicated column, and he's an
example of one of those rare beasts called a "Black Republican."
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE
The Anna Quindlen Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
From: msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Katharine Hepburn
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:19:51 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1k4ld7INNgd5@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
of Katherine Hepburn:

> Of course she'll still manage to sleep nights.  I think she's 
> a great movie star (but one I don't care for), on the level of 
> Bette Davis and Greta Garbo.  I do not think she's a great 
> actress, but then I don't think Davis and Garbo are great 
> actresses either.  Acting is sort of beside the point.
> 
> Arne

It strikes me that the people you call "great movie stars but not
great actors" are the ones who have enormous screen presence, as though
you look at them and think, "Ah, Garbo," and not "Ah, Ninotchka."
(I got the laser disc of this movie for Christmas: I was so pleased.)
But this doesn't mean that she's not a great actress.  The projection
of that screen presence requires great talent, I think.  The fact
that Garbo made the character of Ninotchka her own doesn't mean that
Ninotchka was Garbo.  Compare Cyd Charisse in Silk Stockings, if you
need convincing that Garbo did something special with the character.

Perhaps it would help me understand what _you_ mean by "great actor"
if you gave me an example of someone you thought was one.

--
Mike Pettersen, Ecole Normale Superieure
msp@physique.ens.fr
Perfect love casteth out fear.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: pcxmrp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell)
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:59:44 GMT

Are you all talking about Yazz, the black female singer
or Yazoo the Vince Clarke/Alison Moyet group?
It is getting very difficult to follow this thread.
Please verify.

* Mr.MR.Powell, Chemistry Department,     *   "WAHEY!"       *
*  University Park, Nottingham, NG7 2RD   *  - E. Morecombe  *
*   ENGLAND                               *                  *
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Amherst College Sends 100+ Pro-Repeal Letters to Clinton
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:03:22 GMT

[Tim got 100 letters signed in an hour!]

Great work, Tim!

My father-out-law (my same-sex SO's father ;-) has also been calling
all his family and friends, urging them to call and write.

 -Alan
From: randyc@Autodesk.COM (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:04:32 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1jqgc9INN7t1@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>
>No, just sick of the attitude.

	Gee, Tom, I'm not going to flame you, because
	I happen to agree with much of what you say.
	But some of your facts are shaky, it seems.
>
>sick of... all the porn flicks that have a subplot where the main
>charactor can suck cock all he wants, but isn't truly happy until he
>leaves his small home-town and finds his way to SF for Real Gay Sex(tm)
>since only you have to live there to be a Real Gay Person(tm).

	I don't know what films you're referring to here,
	but it sounds like 70s material, not recent stuff.
	The vast majority of recent porn seems to be filmed
	in and around LA.  There's not a lot of SF-productions,
	except for some series of bondage & stuff, and those
	delightful punkfag/thrasher productions that feature
	some guys I used to party with.
>
>sick of... The Advocate [...]

	The Advocate (hideous publication, I agree) is
	published in LA, not SF.
>
>sick of... People considering A2601 a victory, when the protections
>it gives are minimal... just because it's a feel-good story for SF'ers.

	Huh?  The enthusiasm for AB2601 was very limited, and
	it happens to apply to the whole state.
>
>sick of... the way the NGLTF [...]

	NGLTF is based in DC, isn't it?
>
>I've never been to SF.  I go to NYC only when I can't escape the
>commitment.

	I can't answer for NYC, never having been there myself.
	I think you exaggerate the attitude we have about
	SF, mostly because the media also exaggerates it.

	I completely agree that it would be good to see more
	about the rest of the country.  It would be good to
	see more balanced and accurate gay reportage in general.
	Unfortunately, the gay media is not great on any of
	these issues, partly because it's produced on a shoestring.
	Hard to find or keep good people for what is paid.

	-R
	

-- 

Randy Clark	 		 {}!autodesk.com!randyc
"Whose mind is it that doesn't suffer a loud takeover
once in a while?" -- Maxine Hong Kingston
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Audrey (and Katharine)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:28:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <mattm-280193105130@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

> Now, I still remember, yes I do, uttering these exact
> words:
>
>   Marlene Dietrich was very good at playing Marlene
>   Dietrich and that's about it.

Yes, I remember that too.

> Of which Dolphic Opinion was:
>
>   Snort.
>
> or,
>
>   Yawn.
>
> Or somesuch other one-word summary of the Truly Great Mind's
> Thoughts on the Matter.

You remember incorrectly.  I wrote that the fact that
Marlene Dietrich played Marlene Dietrich all the time 
was beside the point.

> But even the Dolphic One is entitled to his opinions. 

Why, thank you.

> And again, I do apologize for trying to pawn them off on someone
> else.

I'm sure Penny wasn't too terribly mortified by that
misattribution.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Coming out at work
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:13:57 GMT

In article <C1EBGM.GJ5@world.std.com> rik@world.std.com (Rik Ahlberg) writes:
>Can anyone point me in the direction of specific resources (printed matter
>or electronic files) related to coming out at work?
>
Rik, if you come up with a good book/article list, please post.
-- 
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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:53:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.124508.15752@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
>SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>
>>Why do people think it odd to drink cold coffee?  Not as of habit, but
>>as a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  After all, iced-tea isn't
>>exactly unknown....
>
>I'll be glad to give you a definitive answer to that.  Iced
>tea is a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  Cold
>coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
>wasn't that simple?
>

Well, more simplistic, than simple, actually.

Out here on our obscure shore of the great Pacific, one of the staples
of summer-time survival is the iced latte, one of the most refreshing
treats known to man or woman. I first learned the joys of iced -- not
cold -- coffee at a college hangout run by a cranky, but gifted, German
pastry maker, Eiskaffee, accompanied perhaps, if one were early enough
in the evening, by sweet pretzel, and lots of good talk. It was almost
enough to make up for those painful seminar papers.

Of course, in all honesty, I must confess that I cannot, will not,
drink hot coffee, even in the winter. Tepid is best, but cold -- not
iced -- will suffice in extreme situations. The joy of scalded palettes
and tongues forever escapes this big dumb mick faggot.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: sbookey@ep.ieee.org (Seth Bookey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Gay Italy
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:36:13 GMT
Reply-To: sbookey@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY


I will be travelling in Italy for ten days in February.  Milan, Verona,
Venice, Florence, Rome.  Any suggestions about gay life there?  I am
unable to find  a copy of Babilonia, the Italian gay magazine nor can
I find a Spartacus guide.

Please respond to my email address, since the net is too big for me to
fish through at work, which is where I read the newsgroups.

Thanks, and have a great weekend.

Seth
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:15:13 GMT

In article <1jnfmlINNojb@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Well, when I was a kid, you had to boot the machine by flipping switches
>on the front.

HAH!  When I was first started programming, Fortran was
*brand* *new*.  My father used to bring home card decks and
teach me and my sister to read the holes, and magnetic
media density was so low you could read tapes by dumping
fine metal filings on them and see how they stuck.  It was
a time when drum memory really was on drums and programmers
punched up object decks directly - none of this assembler
mnemonic wimp nonsense.

Kids.  Sigh.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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