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From: lien@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LIEN FANG PEI)
Subject: Re: Should I return the money back?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:09:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.223101.20334@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>>>Not sure about Nevada, but Colorado State law says that if a cashier
>>>retruns too much change to a customer, the customer is under NO
>>>OBLIGATION to return any money.  However, if the customer is given
>>>insufficient change, they may request the difference.
>>
>>I think most everybody is as interested in the moral obligation as in the
>>legal . . . . Bravo to the original poster for doing the right thing!
>
>Another issue was brought up earlier about the cashier's responsbility;
>specifically, can an employer legally withhold an employee's pay for
>the amount of any shortage?  A secondary issue is whether an employee
>is legally liable for such shortages (meaning that if the boss can't
>take the loss out of wages unilaterally, would a civil suit against
>the employee have much of a chance of success)?
>-- 
>Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
>UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
>Summit, NJ
>smk@usl.com

While waiting for the report from the security department, I asked the
cashier who should take care the $400 difference?

She said: "No body!  But I will be in big trouble!"

Does it mean casino will take the $400 as loss and fire the cashier?

By the way, how does casino prevent this kind of error made by "dealers"
on the table.  I suppose it will be very hard because there is no audit 
trail as someone mentioned before.  Are video taping and pit boss supervising
the only internal controls casino can do on this problem?

Douglas Chang
From: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Don Lytle)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: The Association for the Study of Play conference
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:03:29 GMT
Reply-To: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu


                         *****   ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS   *****

                                     TASP 1993 - St. Paul, MN
                             The Association for the Study of Play
              April 22 - 24, 1993 * The St. Paul Hotel * St. Paul, Minnesota

     The Association For The Study of Play (TASP) will hold its 1993 annual meetings in St. Paul, Minnesota.  The conference will begin Thursday and continue until Saturday, April 24.  There will be featured speakers, playshops, and forums for the discussion and presentation of research papers on all aspects of play research, theory, performance and behavior.
     TASP conferences traditionally have provided a mechanism by which researchers in diverse fields have the opportunity to share ideas and interact in a friendly and collegial atmosphere.
     Papers and proposals for panel sessions or tutorials related to the broad study of play are invited.  Sessions include, but are not limited to:
 - Humor, laughter
 - Computer and cyperspace play
 - Folklore
 - Children's play behavior
 - Cross-cultural play
 - Body work and play art
 - Performance 
 - Anthropology of festive play
 - Sport
 - Literary playfulness

Deadline for submission of abstracts is February 5, 1993.

Send abstracts (100 word maximum), audio-visual needs, and registration fees  ($60 professional and $20 student made payable to TASP) to:

Dr. Don Lytle
Department of Physical Education
California State University, Chico  95929-0330. 
Bitnet/E-Mail: DLYTLE@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU; FAX: 916 898-4932; 
Phone: {916} 898-6617 or 898-6373 {message}/894-5028 {evening}.
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Development in Vegas...
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:59:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan25.131355.7449@gw.wmich.edu>

Besides the new MGM Grand, the Luxor (pyramid) and Treasure Island,
there's also something weird going up near Vegas World.. looks
like 2 or 3 very tall tower type things leaning into each other.
No idea what it is but cranes were working on it when I was in
town during CES. There's also another one called The Caribbean
going up on one of those streets that runs perpendicular to
the Strip and Paradise Road (Paradise is the street where the
Hilton and the Convention Center live).. there's a pirate ship
there too with torn sails on it, and the Caribbean sign says
"Hotel -  [blank]" like the word "casino" was there but they've
covered it up.  I was in Vegas last November too for COMDEX and
this Caribbean construction looked in January the same beginning
state it was in November.. so like uh maybe whoever is behind the
thing can't get a casino license and halted construction or
something. 

Anyone else ever notice that what is now the San Remo (next door to
the Trop), used to be the Polynesian and before that was The Treasury?
And each change of name also brought a complete remodelling too. 

Vegas is a wacky place, esp. if one's trips there are less than
say once a year. Entire sections of town can change radically
between visits.. stuff you saw last year not only isn't there any
more but has been torn down and replaced with something entirely
different. 

Harv
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hjs@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri J Sirpoma)
Subject: Roulette: RSSM,CQ5XM ... ?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:38:55

There is a lot of discussion about how well these systems bring
profit. But I haven`t seen any posting about how do these systems
work. Could someone tell us that.

--
**************************************************************************
*******      Harri Sirpoma                  hjs@vipunen.hut.fi     *******
**************************************************************************
From: adkins@boole.eng.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth C. Adkins)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Foxwoods Casino is where?
Summary: Ledyard Center, Conn
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:31:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering

Someone recently posted about the Foxwoods Casino in Ledyard, Conn.  I
just want to make sure that this is Ledyard Center, about 20 miles
from New London.  Is this correct?

Please email.

Thanks,
Ken
-- 
                                            ____________
Kenneth C. Adkins                          /           /  
               -------8888888888===========------------ 
adkins@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu               \___________\  
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Subject: Re: CQX5M it works! and a few questions.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:13:40 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.
Keywords: CQX5M, Centigram Quad X5 Matrix, RSSM, roulette

In article <1jmlk3INNh9q@transfer.stratus.com> moser@sw.stratus.com (Tom Moser) writes:

[ questions about using a non-existent roulette strategy deleted. ]

>Well that's enough for now - loking forward to reading of your
>opinions and successes using CQX5M.

Is it just me, or is anybody else getting bored with this gibberish.  I mean,
it was kinda cute at first, but now it's just getting tedious.

-- 
 ============================================================================
 Frank Irwin                | "I've got 5 tokens.  You've got 5 tokens.
 Vmark Software, Inc.       |  Let's get us a room."
 irwin%uvmark@merk.com      |           -- New pick-up line at the Frontier
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jab55062@eng-nxt16.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Andrew Boskey)
Subject: horseracing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:43:52 GMT

In article <93015.152116JDP125@psuvm.psu.edu> <JDP125@psuvm.psu.edu>  
writes:
> Any other handicappers out there? Sartin, Beyer, Quinn followers?

I am indeed a handicapper of both thoroughbreds AND standardbreds, with a  
preference for the latter.  As for Beyer, I appreciate what he does but I  
will never completely embrace speed ratings, especially since I love turf  
races.  Anyway, I'm just letting you know you aren't alone

Bosk
From: rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Imperial Palace
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:46:06 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Summary: Re: Imperial Palace

In article <1jffu5INN2ae@network.ucsd.edu>, erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) writes:
> >>I just want people to know where their money is going....
> >
> >I have heard this rumor before, but I have never heard anything 
> >substantial to back it up.  Since you say with authority that this 
> >is not a rumor, could you please tell us how you are so sure?
> >
> *There's a collection of Nazi memorabilia in the hotel.
> *The owner invites a lot of friends over on Hitler
> 's birthday and they have wild parties and dress up as SS men and wander around
> drunk.
> *The hotel is supposed to look like a Swastika from the air.
> >--
> >Kenneth Gordon             | "What have you done that another 

Jesus,  glad I won there last September... My wife and I came away about

1575.00 ahead... mostly on slots... a little on Roulette and Craps!


Guess I won't go back...

On the memorabilia... in particular the car... don't they have an
auto museum there or something... could it just be a coincidence that
it is Hitler's car? 

Just wonderin...

I liked their "Legends" show also!


Coz

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: dineshm@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Dinesh Bidappa Maneyapanda)
Subject: Re: Super Bowl
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:50:31 GMT

haha, as a native buffalonian, i'd have to say the opposite.  here in the
jersey area it's nearly impossible for me to get anything about anyone
other than the giants or the jets or (on the philly stations, which are
actually worse about it) the eagles.

i'd have to say the bills will win in a landslide...:)
of course, if you're betting REAL MONEY on the game, i'd take the bills just
because the line is so high.  it's based almost entirely on the afc/nfc
argument, not on the quality of football either team plays.

dinesh
From: jkung@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jimmy Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Imperial Palace
Date: 24 Jan 1993 03:20:12 -0600
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan18.164826.16607@osf.org> you write:
[...]
>|> One other thing people should know about the IP is that the owner is a bon
>|> fide neo-nazi.  This is not just a rumor.  I'm not making a political
>|> statement, I just want people to know where their money is going....
>
>  Sounds like a political statement to me, Sean! And I sure won't ever go into
>that place again. They guy really is a racist bast... anyway - we have this in
>from a rec.gambler who has family working there! I still don't understand why
>he doesn't get work elsewhere, though. Still - no way am I going to give them
>any business. Thanks for the reminder, Sean - I wondered what took someone so
>long to bring this up. Maybe we need an official rec.gambling boycott.

I am really sorry to hear this, because my opportunity to change to 
another hotel expired about two days ago.  I will certainly not
patronize their tables if this is the case, although I'm kinda
stuck on the accomodation.

Although, I never planned on too much there anyhow, because there has
been so much info provided by the kind readers of rec.gambling!  :^P

Other than this statement and the Spy article, has the owner ever outright
stated his beliefs?  I'm not doubting the opinions, but I'm surprised
something like this has never come out before in the media.

Thanks for the info, Jim.

jkung@acs.  | "You shoot me in a dream, you better wake up and
ucalgary.ca | apologize." - Mr. White (H. Keitel) RESERVOIR DOGS
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: long overdue trip report
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:41:41 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Haven't been to the tables in 3 years.

Haven't posted here in a long time.

It's raining HARD in California, time to end 3 droughts.

I planned to end up at Sharkeys in Gardnerville last weekend after
about of x-country skiing, but a highway-closing accident by the
friend I was supposed to meet up there kept me around South Shore
most of the evening trying to find him instead of tending to the
more frivolous business of playing 22.

Still I had a wonderful, full, evening of fun at Harveys, just a
skid mark across the California border.

Before I figured out that my buddy had shipped off for home, I
donated about $60 to this nice place just trying to get what I
thought would be my only action.   After that, I found my heaven.

Harvey's on Monday night, Jan 18 had a one deck game, with
mostly poor penetration, but some exciting episodes.  2 thru
5$ minimum.

After the panic of thinking I wouldn't be there very long due
to maybe having to help out my best friend, I settled into a
ruthless system of break-even, low risk of ruin, high alcohol, no
sleep night.

One dealer knew i was counting and joked at one point about how
I always nailed the insurance.  She had been tipped enough not to
knock me out.  All the dealers seemed to be able to count as well
as I did, though.  Many card first deals always got re-shuffled.

I had chances to win big.  Twice, the count went through the roof
and 2 or 3 other players at the table left after the dealer drew
6 cards to 21.  I stayed at a great count to basically break even,
but the CALL was right. those were my only really high bets of the
night.  It's still gambling.

I noted my tips this time.  The tips made up for the money I lost
plus my meals over the 12 hours.

Kinda makes you want to say:  hmmmmmmm!

Still, better to the working stiffs.

The staff were all ragging on the gaudy carpeting that was being
installed that night.

'It's a CASINO for cripes sake! Whaddaya expect?' said I.

Mike
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Thoroughbred horses dna test shock!
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:49:24 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

As we all know ;-) all thoroughbred racehorses are descended from 3 Arab 
stallions.  Somebody has just come up with the results of some dna tests 
that seem to show one of those stallions wasn't Arab after all.  The 
implication is that other breeds may have to be admitted to the world of 
racing - particularly the Akhal-Teke, still raced in Georgia (no, the asian 
Georgia), and believed to be the true breed of one of those 3 stallions.

            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: Re: Interesting A/C Experience (card counters read me)
Reply-To: mbn@hfglobe.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
	<JACOBS.93Jan19225623@cells.cs.utah.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:31:51 GMT

>>>>> "steve" == Steven R Jacobs <jacobs@cs.utah.edu> writes:

steve> In article <1993Jan19.164138.3155@newstand.syr.edu> egcuneo@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Ed Cuneo) writes:
>
> while in atlantic city this past weekend i had an interesting experience.
>
> while standing at the casino host's desk i looked in an open door behind her
> and could see pictures tacked up on the wall. there were three distinct categories
> KNOWN CC (assumedcc stood for card counter)
> PROBABLE CC
> CHEATS/MARKERS/COMPUTERIZED 
>
> below each category was a beautiful mug shot taken from the eye in the sky
> (assumed because the photos were all black and white).
>
> the reason i mention this is for those counters that think they can get comps
> while taking the casino's money are just slitting their own throat. if they
> keep such nice scrapbooks in a/c where counting is not illegal, one can only
> imagine what it's like in nevada.

steve> Note that card counting is *not* illegal in Nevada, although the
steve> casinos would like you to believe that card counting is illegal,
steve> immoral, and will ruin your eyesight and stunt your growth.  The
steve> main difference between AC and Nevada (other than the crappy AC
steve> games) is that the casinos are not allowed to toss out card
steve> counters in AC.

The euphemism I've heard from pit bosses in more than one Reno casino is
"good player".  That means a card counter.  I've been labeled as a "good
player" in a couple of places even though, strictly speaking, I don't
count, using what Steve calls a "gestalt count" (keep track of the cards,
but don't maintain a running total.)

Please note that I still play for comps, without undue heat or real fear
of being barred.  I certainly don't think I'm "slitting my own throat".
The casinos are more concerned with the amount of action that you give
them than whether you win or lose (at least in the less than 4-digit
amounts I'd be talking about).  Someone who tries to hide their counting,
bet variation, and identity arouses more suspicion (and heat) in my
experience.  

25 years ago, when we (I'm speaking here of my friends and I who have been
to Reno innumerable times on gambling trips) were being furtive, looking
and acting guilty as thieves, we got much more attention from the pit
bosses.  Nowadays, we hand our ID cards over to the pit boss, smile,
introduce ourselves, etc., and let them pay for our rooms, meals and
shows.

Of course, we also play a lot more craps these days than we used to :-)
 
--
Mike Northam, Shorter Software Solutions, on contract to Intel Corp.
(h) (503) 324-1831 (intel office) (503) 696-4860 (shorter) (503) 357-1010
mbn@hfglobe.hf.intel.com
"You ducks are really trying my patience...but you're SOOO cute. --Apu 9F01
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: Re: Double Down Stud
Reply-To: mbn@hfglobe.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
	<1993Jan21.080201.7719@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:53:31 GMT

>>>>> "marty" == Marty Campman <Marty.Campman%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us> writes:

marty> Pair 6 - 10 PUSH
marty> Pair J - A  Pays 1-1 
marty> Two Pair    Pays 2-1
marty> 3 of a Kind Pays 3-1
marty> Straight    Pays 5-1
marty> Flush       Pays 8-1
                        ^^^
marty> Fullhouse   Pays 11-1
                        ^^^^
marty> 4 of a kind Pays 50-1 (I think)
marty> Strt. Flush Pays 200-1
marty> Royal Flush Pays 2000-1
                        ^^^^^^

From the FAQ:

Q:V1  Is it possible to gain an advantage at Video Poker?
A:V1  (Steve Jacobs)
 
  The video poker strategy discussed here is for the common "8/5" machines
  (called 8/5 because of the 8-for-1 payoff for a full house and 5-for-1
                             ^^^^^^^                             ^^^^^^^
  payoff for a flush).  "Joker's Wild" and "Deuces Wild" machines will
  require a much different strategy.
 
  In order to have an advantage over the house, you must find a machine
  with a progressive jackpot that is larger that about 1750 maximum bets.
                                                       ^^^^
  ($8750 for $1 machines, $2200 for $.25 machines, $440 for $.05 machines).
  The level only makes the game even with the house.  The jackpot must
  be higher than this in order to gain an advantage.  The player's edge
  increases by about 1% for each addition of 750 maximum bets into the
  progressive jackpot.
 

Taken together, doesn't this imply that this game has a positive
expectation (neglecting the effect of other player's hands, which may be
significant, since VP is a head-on game)?  (I imagine someone will show me
the error of my ways, the casinos probably aren't giving out free lunches
here.  :-))

I've never seen the game myself, but it sounds intriguing, based on the
fact that you can double your bet when you can't lose.
--
Mike Northam, Shorter Software Solutions, on contract to Intel Corp.
(h) (503) 324-1831 (intel office) (503) 696-4860 (shorter) (503) 357-1010
mbn@hfglobe.hf.intel.com
"You ducks are really trying my patience...but you're SOOO cute. --Apu 9F01
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: DD Stud
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:49:48 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

OK, here are the results of my basic strategy analysis.
First, always double medium or high pairs, trips, two-pairs, and quads.
Also, always double on 4 to a flush.
Never double low pairs; double no-pairs only if there is potential for a
straight.
Also, never double a one-way straight unless it is AKQJ, and then only
no 10 is showing and fewer than 1/3 of the others' cards are AKQJ.

As to open-end straights, they have "starting value" as follows:
2345 +0
3456 +3
4567 +6
5678 +9
6789 +12
789T +12
89TJ +15
9TJQ +18
TJQK +21
Subtract 6 for every card held by another player that would fill the
straight, 1 for every card that would give you a push, and 2 for every card
that would give you a winning pair; add 1 for every card that would be worth-
less to your hand.  Double on +, don't on -, and flip a coin on 0.
(The same method works for high one-way straights; start at 0 for AKQJ and
at -3 for AKQT, AKJT, AQJT, and KQJ9.)

I haven't worked out expectation yet.


  |
--+-- Andy Lipscomb
  |   lipscoja@(ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu,vuctrvax.bitnet)
  |   Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender)
Subject: Re: Playing slots
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:49:15 GMT

In article <74150@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>>
>>Is there really a viable "slots strategy", other than continuously
>>stuffing <coin denomination> into the machine, and hoping it pays off
>>before your financial resources disappear?  Logic tells me no, but....
>>
>>Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
>>Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
>>                                         H: 603-883-6371
>>
>Well there are a couple other interesting slot tidbits... play
>a machine to get a few coins to fall out. If the coins are real
>warm, then they've been in the machine a long time, meaning the
>machine's primed to spew its load soon. (Slots only pay out a
>certain few hundreds of coins on a large jackpot, the rest of
>the payout is handed to the (lucky) winner in cash by a casino
>worker). If the coins come out stone cold, move to another machine.
>
>Or... hand some cash to one of the change women (they're ALWAYS
>women, at EVERY casino, aren't they? Why is this :-) and tip her
>and ask her to point you towards a machine that's primed and
>ready. 
>
>I'll admit that neither of these "tips" has ever worked very well
>for me at all.. I've played slots, from nickels to dollars at
>dozens of Vegas casinos and never hit a jackpot over $50 or so.
>
>Harv



	Harv, Harv....could it be your are just a bust-out!!! (hehe)...
	I recently went to the Empress gambling boat with my wife and
	sister. Before we got there, my sister kept saying that we
	should look for this certain slot machine called Red, White and
	Blue... Well, to make a long story short, all total she must
	have hit these RWB slots for $1200.00 in jackpots. Not bad
	for around 2.5 hrs of play. Unfortunately she dumped most of 
	it back in. I thinks she ended up around $300.00 up when
	we walked out of the place. Me and my wife??? Never mind...