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From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Un-horsey husbands (was: Reader Bio's)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:14:40 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: lisa@fc.sde.hp.com's message of 27 Jan 93 01:15:46 GMT

In article <1k4no2INN2gq@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com> lisa@fc.sde.hp.com (Lisa Stroyan) writes:

   ...  I don't currently have a horse, but I finally plan to get one
   this spring.  ...  However, it has
   taken me a while to overcome the doubts I get from others that don't
   understand my need for a horse.  My husband, alas, is not a horse
   person and is strongly entrenched in remaining that way (he has ridden
   several rental horses, to give him credit that is due).  (If anyone
   else has been frustrated that those around them don't understand, or
   are upset by, their horse interests, I would be interested in talking
   about possible workarounds!).

   Lisa Stroyan 	

My husband, Lynn, started out with the opinion that horses were at
best silly, and at worst dangerous.  I therefore began my equine
involvement by getting a donkey---we had lived next door to one at the
last place we had rented before buying our place, and Lynn had
remarked that that donkey had an interesting personality, and was much
more tractable, less spooky, etc than the horses it was in with.  Our
donkey, Shadow, convinced Lynn that equines could be fun, and after I
had trained Shadow to drive, I got Lynn to accompany us to various
driving events, first as my photographer, then as helper, cart
passenger, etc.  Eventually, I expressed a determination to get a
horse; Lynn chose to "humor me", i.e. kept any reservations to
himself, and co-operated in building a proper barn on our property.

At that point, I got lucky---I chose for my first horse an older,
bombproof Norwegian Fjord mare, Nansy.  After a suitable period of
adjustment, I talked Lynn into riding Nansy as a "pilot car" while I
drove the rather-timid Shadow at a couple of informal donkey club
events.  At first, his attitude was, "Sigh, well, OK...."  However,
after a while, when it came time to deploy Shadow and Nansy to/from
our pastures, he started asking, "Can I ride the pony?"  This soon
became, "*I* want to ride the pony!"  And, not long thereafter, "WHEN
are you going to get another horse?"  Apparently, Nansy had succeeded
in "infecting" Lynn with the "horse virus"!  The rest, as they say, is
history (see my earlier bio); in fact, his riding ability has now far
outstripped mine, and he is "pulling" me along.

What I'll never know is whether Nansy "converted an un-believer", or
if she just activated Lynn's dormant "horsaholic gene".  However, I
just thought I'd let you know that it can be done!  It does seem to
require finding the right equine partner(s) in your conspiracy....

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Riding breeches - need advice.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:47:17 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Angela Merritt (amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu) wrote:
: Hi,
: I was wondering if anyone would like to recommend their favorite
: riding breeches.  I have some Christmas money yet to spend :-), and
: my old breeches are getting quite worn.  I have a pair of the
: Devon-Aire (mostly cotton), and I really like the fit, however it
: dosn't appear to be wearing up too well.  I've tried the Miller's
: Equestrian brand but they don't fit me too well - not high 
: enough in the waist.  Does anyone know if the nylon blends hold
: up better than the cotton?  BTW these would be for everyday
: wear, so I would be most interested in those under $70.  Any and
: all advice would be appreciated!

: Angie.

I have 2 pair of D.B. (Dick Blumenthal, I think) riding jeans that are
wonderful.  I could never get the miller's ones to fit right and these
came in long as well.  If you want cotton and inexpensive for everyday,
I'd recommend these.  

Soneone else mentioned Schumacher breeches.  I have a pair of corduroy
jods from them that have held up very well for everyday use as well.  If
you go for Schumacher, try on a pair of something in the fabric that you
want if you can.  The different fabrics have very different amounts of
stretch, with the cottons/cords having the least.  After Sterling gets new
clothes, I'd like to get another pair of Schumachers.

Karen
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Arabian mare for sale
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:41:52 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


FOR SALE:  Touch My Heart

Registered Arabian mare.  Bay, with white star and snip and white foot.
Shown extensively in Western and Country Pleasure classes at the Class
A show level.  Has won halter championships and championships in both
saddle classes extensively.  This is a large (15 hands) and well built
Arabian mare from McCabe's Arabians in SW Ohio.  Mike is a nationally 
known trainer, an internationally known judge.  This mare is from his 
own personal breeding program.  He bred, raised, trained and showed 
this mare himself.  She is six years old, sired by Exclusive Touch,
an exquisitely beautiful and well-bred stallion.  

Exclusive Touch really has a rare beauty, he looks as if he posed for 
the model of the ideal Arabian stallion.  Her dam 
was *Silvana, an imported English mare of Crabbet breeding.  

Touch My Heart is certified sound but had a very light case of grass 
founder a few years ago.  She has no problems from this.  

Mike is reducing his herd and offers this fine mare for the firm price
of $5500.  She would make a rare addition to anyone's breeding program 
or would also be a great dressage prospect since she has a lovely bold
trot.  She's not in condition but it would take very little to get her
back into show shape.  If you would like to go into the show ring and
win, this mare will do it for you.

For information or to talk to Mike, call (513)866-7159

Sue

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: suzanne@tc.fluke.COM (Suzanne Petroske)
Subject: Re: Reader Bio's
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:32:41 GMT

I don't have a horse now but would love to get one. I am working
towards a better financial position first. I bought a horse at the age
of 21, shortly after getting divorced :-) and kept her for several
years. She was a beautiful black bay filly - 1/2 arab, 1/8 welsh pony
and 3/8 morgan, 14.2 hands with a perfect combination of arab
refinment, morgan  heart and welsh intelligence (and not to mention
hard as nail hooves and a thick, long, wavy mane and tail!)  She used
to love to play hide and seek with me. I really miss her and would love
to get another horse, or even buy her back if I could. I live In
Washington state near Seattle and work as a computer operator. I hope
many more of you will tell us about yourselves!

Suzanne
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horse Toys
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:04:19 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


As for horse toys, my mare is really good at finding her own.  We had a bad
windstorm a few years ago.  It tore a sheet of steel siding right off our
barn.  My first 'hint' that this had happened was the next morning when I
was wakened by the most awful noise; BAM BAM BAM *BAM* BAM!!!  Quality had
found the sheet of siding, was standing there pawing it over and over again.
She was having so much fun, just like a little kid with a new toy drum. 
We left it in there for a few days, just because it was entertaining her
so much.  When I finally took it away from her she had beaten it entirely
flat.  

Sue
From: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: need advice - dressage saddles
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 

njd@FTP.COM

NJ | I need a dressage saddle.  I've been making do with my old (20+
NJ | year-old) Siegfried, but I really want something a bit more suitable.
NJ | I'm sort of hard to fit because my legs are *really* short, and most
NJ | of the flaps are just too long and too wide.  I also prefer a seat
NJ | with a nice narrow twist.  Can anyone recommend a saddle to fit me?
NJ | 
NJ | Oh, yea - my horse is a thoroughbred, but he has a warmbloody set of
NJ | withers and back.  Most saddles that seem to fit me tip back on him a
NJ | little. *sigh*

Two identical models imported by Courbette, the Charles deKunffy in 
Sella leather, Trenck D_II in bridle leather, have about the smallest 
flaps around.  The tree comes in several widths, so one should fit your 
horse.  Although, if you're used to a Stubben, you may never be 
satisfied with a Courbette's comfort.  I have a both Courbette and 
Stubben dressage saddles; I find the latter much more comfortable.  If 
fact, my Courbette Trenck D_II is for sale, but it has an 18" seat.

steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King)
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From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: Ugly Secretariat offspring
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:18:17 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Most of the Secretariat offspring that I've seen for stud are fairly good
looking Hunters.  It seems his get are more into the hunting scene.

There is a Stallion by him named Bureau here who looks pretty good.  

This reminds me about Alydar and Affirmed.  Affirmed may have beat him on the
track, but Alydar got even on the breeding farm.:)

--Alicia
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Toys
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:09:19 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

Before I met my SO, he used to have a grey mare called Silhouette, Arab X
Haflinger, and at the time there was a craze for those cheapo metal detectors.
Apparently the whole family were out in the fields complete with the 
detector, and when they were busy rumageing in the grass for something they
thought they had detected, Silhoutte picked up the detector by grasping the 
handle between her teeth and wandered off accross the field with it happily
bleeping to itself.  I would *love* to have seen this!

For those of you who remember baby Non from last March (now a strapping 
great weanling!), her favourite toy was when some kind soul threw an old
feather pillow over the fence.  I arrived the next morning to find the sad
remains of the pillow and a happy fluffy foaly covered in identically 
coloured fluffy downy chicken feathers.  To complete the picture, when 
I had dusted the feathers off I picked up her feet and found one of Mari's 
molar teeth which she must have just shed sticking into the sole of one of
Non's feet.  Talk about horse feathers and hen's teeth...

Of course Non's REAL favourite plaything is Rickie, my old gelding.  Nothing
else, even Mari, comes close as an ideal playmate.  She was SOOOOOO 
disapointed when Rickie got laminitis in the summer and wouldn't play with
her *despite* all her best attempts at springing at him and rearing up and
bashing him on the tips of his ears.  Their favourite time was when there 
was a new pony put in the field next door and they BOTH jumped in and spent
the day chasing to poor thing round and round.  Mari stayed behind, being 
a well mannered sort of horse, but poor Non was ever so thirsty by the time 
I got there in the evening to return her to her mum.

I guess I'll have to post a bio too, or Terri won't forgive me ;-)

Esther
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From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Requests for hage address again
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:40:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Hi Again-

   I've had several email requests to repost the hage address:

	The Great Texas Hage Co.
	PO Box 174 
	Dell City, Texas  79837


				Teresa
				Leo the QH
				Ari the Andalusian (or Lusitano,actually)
From: jsnyder@cadev5.intel.com (Jan Snyder )
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Emergency Dismount (was:  What to do about fear)
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:47:19 GMT
Organization: Intel Santa Clara Design Technology

In article <1993Jan25.020027.17705@netcom.com> wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins) 
writes:
>I'd like to add a fwe comments to the emergency dismount discussion.
  [deletions]
>Another thing I've seen recommended a few times,altho I've never
>tried it myself yet, is that you practice *falling* from the horse.

I posted a query on this a couple years ago when I was in a bad fear mode,
and several people suggested martial-arts training such as aikido, where
they teach you to fall before much of anything else.  Of course I haven't
taken that advice yet... :-)

  [deletions]
>I was taught that one should always try to keep a hold of the reins
>even if you decide to bail out or fall off.  I think the idea was
>that at least the horse didn't get loose.  However, recently I've
>been questioning the wisdom of this.  Catching a loose horse is a
>pain if they don't want to be caught, but I think safety should be
>the primary concern.  I think that holding on to the reins might
  [deletions]

If I could manage a controlled emergency dismount as Ruth Vale described,
I might try to hold onto the reins.  Usually, though, I've been "jumped
out from under" and everything just goes.  I asked my cousin the endurance
rider her opinion of whether to hold on or not, and she is in favor of
trying to hold on:  when you're on a 100-mile ride and out in the middle
of nowhere, you don't want to have to chase your horse.  It is definitely
a judgment call where the rider's safety comes first--but sometimes that
includes keeping hold of one's ride back to civilization.  

We didn't discuss the possible effect on the horse, however.  I think that
while a frightened horse might have its fear reinforced by a sudden jerk, 
that jerk might also yank its attention away from what scared it. 
The other consideration is what type of headgear you're using.  I trail 
ride in a hackamore (not bosal type), and a jerk from the wrong angle could
twist the thing half off the horse's face and gouge her jaw with the shanks.

I am definitely interested in some discussion on this.  Tips on training
for that perfect response to the verbal WHOA would be most welcome!

-Sallijan
 Quiche (19yo chestnut Arab mare, whose rider once yelled "STAND!" as he
	 was flying through the air, and she stood.)
 Shadow Dancer (11yo black Peruvian Paso mare)
 Picardia (7yo chestnut Peruvian Paso mare)
 felines Imp, Gringo and Rags (geldings all)

-
Sallijan Snyder, Wordware Engineer | "I don't let my employer take credit for my opinions."
Santa Clara, California            | (408) 765-5444 voicemail    (408) 629-5909 home robot
Internet: jsnyder@scdt.intel.com   |          =>Internet Z-Car Club Member #42<=
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: The name game again
	<1993Jan22.213351.6716@cas.org>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
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>Okay, here goes:
>Spanish Sign
>Sassy Weed
>Butididntinhale

spanish inquisition
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jkeller@ishtar.med.jhu.edu (Jean Keller x5-8318)
Subject: Re: She's Mine! (was :Trakehner decision)
Summary: book recommendation
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:05:37 GMT

Tried to e-mail you, but it didn't work.  Hopefully this will be of
general interest to the net.  If not, my apologies

My trainer has recommended a book called _Training the Young Horse_,
subtitled "The first two years", by Anthony Crossley.  I bought
it last week, and haven't read much of it yet, but it was highly
recommended by my trainer and by others at the barn who have started
young horses, so I thought I'd pass it along. (FYI - all the recommenders
are principally interested in dressage.  I think basic dressage
training is a fine way to start any horse you are planning to ride
English.  If you disagree, this may not be the book for you).

It assumes that you are starting with a three- or four-year-old horse,
who has not been ridden, and possibly never lunged (longed?).  It
takes you through "medium level" dressage, including canter half-passes
and flying changes.  I don't think it covers jumping, but I'm not sure.

Hope this is some help.  Good luck!

-Jean Keller
jkeller@ishtar.med.jhu.edu
From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ROLEX info
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:47:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

D5.F72@forsythe.stanford.edu writes:

.......
>>
>>> Average high temp would be in the 60's, with low in the 40's, and a good
>>> chance for rain ....
>>
>As a Rolex attendee last year, _I_ had to jump in!!
>On Friday, it was so hot & sunny (80) that we wore shorts and had
>to buy hats for sun protection.  By Saturday night, they were
>forcasting snow, and it was about 38 when stadium jumping started
>Sunday morning!!  (Jees, that's almost as bad as Ann Arbor - where
>the motto used to be "If you don't like the weather...just wait a
>minute, it'll change!!)

Well, 80 and 38 average out pretty close to 60, which is just what
I promised :-))
Actually, if memory serves correctly, the weather folks actually did pretty
well predicting that one last year. I remember Saturday was not real pleasant,
and there was a booth making a fortune selling outback coats to folks who
were more prepared for Friday's sunny weather than the cold drizzle on
Saturday. But the local weather forecasts did predict that change a couple
of days in advance, which is better than they sometimes do. For those of
you who didn't stick around all day Sunday, we did get the snow they promised 
late that afternoon.

>Gary
>(use gary@cardiology don't just reply!)
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From: eb3@world.std.com (Edwin Barkdoll)
Subject: Re: Racoons & dogs :-(
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:26:10 GMT

	This is getting a little outside the realm of rec.equestrian
but ...

In article <1993Jan25.175213.20302@watson.ibm.com> mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh) writes:
>In article <106429@netnews.upenn.edu>, barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu
>(Edwin Barkdoll) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan24.071208.6759@desire.wright.edu>
>sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>|> >In article <106290@netnews.upenn.edu>,
>barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu (Edwin Barkdoll) writes:
>|> 
>|> [...]
>|> 
>|> >> 	And don't transport wildlife across state lines which is what
>|> >> caused this problem in the first place!
>|> >> 
>|> >
>|> >Huh?  Whose been transporting wildlife across state lines?  Funny, I
>thought
>|> >they made it across on their own.
>|> 
>|> 	Upon rereading my cryptic comment I can see the confusion.
>|> Epidemiologists have argued that the midatlantic raccoon rabies
>|> epizootic originated upon interstate transfer of rabid raccoons,
>|> unintentionally of course, by hunting groups to populate hunting
>|> stocks.  The source of the rabid raccoons has been argued to be the
>|> southeastern epizootic -- that is in Florida, Georgia.
>
>The other piece of information needed to clarify:
>
>... until last year when we had our first rabies cases, Connecticut &
>the New England area were relatively isolated from the rabies problem
>because in order to get here, you have to cross water (i.e. The Hudson
>River, et.al.) which always slows these things down.  Hence, the theory
>that the rabid racoons must have been imported (I don't think most
>racoons have the $0.75 needed to cross the Newburgh bridge ;^) 

	The human transport theory actually goes back to the sudden
appearance of raccoon rabies in WVa in 1977.  This was about 300 miles
north of the northernmost edge of the southeastern epizootic with no
known rabid raccoons in between.  More than 3000 raccoon had been
legally transported to VA from Florida for hunting and several rabid
raccoons were known to be in the shipments, as well in shipments to
NC.  Furhtermore the rabies virus in the middle atlantic and
southerastern epizootics are remarkably similar antigenically.

-- 
Edwin Barkdoll
eb3@world.std.com
From: morrigan@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Melissa Lee Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Reader Bios
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:59:19 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

	I have to agree...great idea! This is my first post to the group
(just figured out how recently), but I've been reading since September or
so.  I am a biology/premed major here at Johns Hopkins (formerly an
engineering major).  

	I started loving horses as a three-year-old kid in suburban Maryland
(Millersville, for you UofMd folks).  My parents didn't try to stop me, but
riding wasn't possible.  When I was 11, we moved to southeastern
Pennsylvania (fox hunting central).  For my birthday, I got lessons. They
never guessed I'd stick with it for 7 years!!!

	Unfortunately, I have never owned a horse. We just moved to a more
rural area in Maryland, right across the way from a horse farm
(((JOY!!!))).  Perhaps I'll get to ride again....had to quit for college.

	Oh, I'm almost 20 and am a sophomore here.  I thought I wanted to be
a people doctor, but working in a kennel all last summer (hardest job I'll
ever love--great dogs and cats and rabbit and ferret) and growing up reading
and watching TV shows of "All Creatures Great and Small" are making me think
seriously about being a vet (large-animal, maybe some small too).  Any vets
out there or people who know about becoming one who can help me find out how
to get info on vet schools and how to get in?????  Any help appreciated.

	I love to jump like a wild woman, but trails are great and dressage
is loads of fun.  I dream about fox hunting, but for that I need my own
horse.  I spent much of my lessons flying over fields and hurling myself at
jumps on two look-alike horses--Snuffy and Cid. God, I miss 'em!!!!

Melissa Cox,
horseless but dreaming