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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:56:12 CDT
From:         "Richard J. Betts" <RBETTS@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: OS/2
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In reply to questions about NB and OS/2: you need to set a path statement,
either in CONFIG.SYS, or better in AUTOEXEC.BAT, to include [D]:NB, or what-
ever.  Be sure you make a copy of either file first.  If you haven't yet read
your CONFIG.SYS file you are in for a surprise since it is much more compli-
cated than the DOS file.  Take the time to read the help files before you
alter it.  AUTOEXEC.BAT is simpler.  Open the settings book for you NB icon
and go to DOS Settings on page 2, open that, and go to the print timeout
setting.  Set it to, say, 3 seconds, and that will speed up printing.
Also you can go into the system folder and open the settings book on the print
spooler and disable it, and then reboot.  But if you do that you won't have
the advantage of the print spooler which is that it runs a long print job in
the back ground while you do something else like read your mail from the
NOTABENE list.

Richard J. Betts
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:36:52 GMT
From:         Lee Komito <LKOMITO@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: orbis
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On Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:57:00 EET J-P Takala, PL35 00931 HKi, 3432619 said:
>Another problem with Orbis: I tried out four of the predefined formats for
>TB structure.  Only one came through, the one with a blank line as an entry
>marker.  The one with <<PR.B>> and <<PR.E>> and <<PR.K>> for designated
>keywords just gave an "internal error" message with a number (9020?,
>4020?).  The same without <<PR.K>> and the one with <<PG>> as entry marker
>went swiftly about indexing but I wasn't that happy when it turned out that
>it had marked the whole 50 K test file to be just one entry!  And the
>markers were there, at least so said my eyes and the old Text Base.  These
>results were the same within and without DesqView.  Has anybody found any
>of the formats with designated keywords actually working?

I hesitate to comment on any Orbis problems, since I was playing around
with an earlier version, but I did have a similar problem to the above
problem. When creating a textbase, I chose a predefined format in
which <<PG>> was the end of text marker. This was so as to index
interviews that I had recorded using Ibid+. However, I found that the
result was to have the entire NBBIB000.DAT file treated as one record.
When I picked double paragraph endings instead, the result was much
better. So, perhaps the the beta version being released with NB4,
some experiments with different predefined formats is in order.....


Lee Komito                       Internet: lkomito@irlearn.ucd.ie
Dept of Sociology                CREN/Bitnet/Earn: lkomito@irlearn
University College, Dublin       phone: +353 1 706-7106
Belfield, Dublin 4; Ireland      Fax: +353 1 269-4409
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 92 16:25:59 EDT
From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: transparent? etc.
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Paul Bodin's posting on Lingua printer installation led me to start
wondering.  Perhaps Paul or some other Lingua beta person knows.  In
Lingua will I be able to use both my 24-pin and a laser?  Will I be
able to print-to-disk and then take the disk file to print on the
university's HP III?

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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 92 14:04:58 CDT
From:         "Richard J. Betts" <RBETTS@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Usefullness of Ibid.
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I, too, would like to say that those who found Ibid. frustrating should give
it another try.  I have never been able to understand why people who gave up
on it did not like it.  Its only deficiency is that it does not drop references
into a footnote completely formatted, but I consider it a small matter to
simply re-arrange the data and punctuation of a reference.  Before Ibid. my
bibliography files were usually chaotic, not up to date, and difficult of
access, and every time I cited something I had to type the damned reference
once more.  Never again!  I enter things as they come to me, I can determine
literally in a few seconds what I should consider citing in a particular
instance, and I can cite it with a keystroke.  I particularly appreciate the
fact that the data files are in ASCII.  I had created a sizeable bibliography
of 750 items in Text Base and found that I could reasonably transfer it by
entering the codes, which are mnemonic and not hard to remember.  Two years ago
I used Ibid. to consolidate a bibliography compiled by participants in an
NEH Summer Institute and quickly generate copies for all of them.  Nobody on
this list has described anything that comes close to Ibid.  I wish I had it
when I began graduate studies and I can't imagine living without it now.
Richard J. Betts
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 92 12:40:45 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: NB 4.0 Bugs
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              14 Sep 92 11:14:00 MET from <VANDIJK@ALF.LET.UVA.NL>

Teun,

You are getting old, father William!


Itamar
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:36:12 -0500
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ibid +/-
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Unlike Geoff Nathan, I had no problems installing or using Ibid, or Ibid+ -
although I haven't used much of the newer parts of the + version.  As for
the large bib they send: I followed their instructions for winnowing the files
and had no problems.  For my office machine, I just started from scratch (not
using any of their entrys). For you to do so (here I'm operating from memory-
the inst. are at home), you should be able to copy all of your personal entrys
into a new file, take the old ones off your disk, and re-index the result.  If
you want the numbers to start from 1, you may have to instert the numbers
manually, or copy the entries one by one.  Others on the list, perhaps with
their instructions at hand, can help with more details.
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 92 11:44:00 GMT
From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History, Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX>
Subject:      Graphics and NBx
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J-P Takkala mentions the idiosyncracies of Harvard Graphics and NB and reports
on the advice of the HG people that he get a more up to date processor.

Members of this list should know that HG created its own FF unalterably since
its very first version, well before anyone at HG could conceive of more and
less "up-to-date" word processors.  I have used HG with NB in precisely the
manner described and there has never been any processor that could do battle
with HG's embedded (and thus far inaccesible) form-feeds.

By contrast, the graphs produced by Quattro Pro are exportable as no-hassle
print-to-disk files and perfectly importable to NB ("perfectly
importable"...is this English?).

In addition, anyone who works with the PC version of SPSS can bring in any of
its tables, graphs, and charts (!) into NB as regular text files.  The HP, for
instance, will print bar charts beautifully as integral parts of your text;
i.e., you merge the file from SPSS as you would any other file.  It's all
ASCII to me.
MDS
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:21:05 EDT
From:         Joel Lidov <JBLQC@CUNYVM>
Subject:      Re: Ibid +/-
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I would second the suggestion to give IBID another try.  Even if your
bibliographic needs number in the low hundreds, it is an enormous assist.
There was a bug in the original edition that interfered with adding and
deleting printers, but a fix disk did fix it.  The current version will
only dump bibliographic data into a footnote, but it is usally much
easier to edit this pretyped material than to type it anew.  At the same
time it adds a bibliography delta to the text.  I've been asked to
recast a set of notes by reducing them to short title and appending a
bibliography:  this will involve mostly using the delete key on the
notes, and telling IBID to EXTRACT and GENERATE.  But most of all I
appreciate the ability to accumulate and correct bibliographic
information gradually, and at any given moment, usually for me the last
moment, produce a fully formated bibliography.

I'm sure other bibliographic programs described here will do the same
tricks, but the integration with the word processor, and especially the
ability to copy names and titles taken down as notes into the template,
are a big convenience.  The starter bibliography can be renamed, so that
it is not part of your database (rename also the index files), and
scanned at leisure in the word-processor.  Useful items can be defined
and appended to a NBBIB.DAT file (without their numbers!), and
incorporated into your database at your convenience. (It can also be
ignored).
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From: akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr)
Subject: NB 3.0 printer install
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 12:43:41 GMT

A strange thing happened Friday (there is still not NB support at Ohio State). 
A secretary using an old 8088 Zenith with a hard drive is now on a Novell 
Network, connected to a HP II printer without a font cartridge.  She had no 
printer installed on her NB, yet usually could, through the network, get files 
to print (in Courier). A Dean(let), who thinks central computers are wonderful 
and that it is wrong to empower individual professors with individual machines 
and software, told her she needed to install a printer on NB in order to print 
properly. (He does not know NB.) So I was called in to install the HP printer 
for her, and to install the Epson FX 85 that is attached at her local site.

Now, when she is in NB\Work, and I try to Designate a printer, none is listed.
When I switch to C:\NB, however, I can find the Epson printer on her screen and
selected it as the primary printer.  (She had me NOT put on the HP II becasue 
she is happy with her ability over the network to use it.) What has gone awry?

Our secretaries who are used to NB think it is a wonderful program and are very
upset with the efforts to force everyone to use a much more expensive version 
of network programs that do not seem to do the job as well.  But who are they 
to know?
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:18:11 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: fear of the eschaton
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Herb Basser writes (in part):

> There is little gain if work is already is completed-- in then
> translating to NB4. But if you need camera ready- copy of Hebrew texts
> (not the odd word here or there) Lingua printing is a must. Greek is
> fine in old NB 3.1-- the real difference is in Hebrew.

I fear I must differ with Herb here.  The SLS Greek font is an ugly,
clumsy thing compared to the graceful proportionally-spaced fonts that
come with Lingua.  With the extended font set one gets this very nice
type face in 8 through 14 point sizes, with true bold and italic I
believe (although I have not yet tried to use those attributes).
Altogether a major improvement over SLS, and much easier to use since
there is no downloading to manage.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 92 22:20:15 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: transparent? translucent? opaque?
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In regard to Jim O'Donnell's Lingua printing difficulty...

those of you who are about to install Lingua, don't forget to also
install the appropriate Lingua printer.  The NB4 printer driver will
not manage the Lingua fonts, you must install the additional files
when you install Lingua.  I know it's not entirely clear when you are
going throught the installation, but there it is: it seems you are
installing the printer twice.

Then, if that weren't enough, you must activate the printer you
installed!  NOTE WELL!!!! -- *THIS* is the time to edit the printer
definition, designate a different port if you need one, specify the
amount of memory in your printer, etc.  Only after you have done this
and checked it, make the printer your default and activate it.  After
that you probably won't have to think about it again--it even
automatically downloads the fonts on an as-needed basis.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:56:43 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Is NB4 (much) slower?
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              11 Sep 92 10:57:00 MET from <VANDIJK@ALF.LET.UVA.NL>

Is NB 4.0 slower than 3.1?

NB 4.0 loads NBLINGUA.FNT. If you work with HGC+, this means
that when you shell to DOS, this file must be UNloaded to make
the display possible (it was impossible to work with NB textbase
if you worked in 48k ramfont mode with HGC+). The same principle
applies to VGA, although the structure of NBLINGUA.FNT is
different (I presume). This must take an extra second.
(By the way, if you worked in multilingual environment in 3.1,
you had to shell to DOS via HELP, because only then you
would get the right display). The flushes you see are the
traces of this loading and unloading process. When the fonts
are loaded, different display parameters must be loaded, too;
during the interval between fonts loading and parameters loading,
you can see incorrect display (this is not a new phenomenon;
you can find detailed explanations in my docs on HGC+ in
NB-HGC01.ZIP).

In addition, all accented letters in NB 4.0 are now (at least in
the multilingual, lingua version) 3 bytes combinations.
This is what has displeased me most about this version, but my criticism
has been rejected. I am sure that 3 bytes combinations (which
certainly make NB files no longer 100% pure ASCII) delay
scrolling etc., since they augment the volume (size) of the
handled file. I cannot evaluate if this is the case with the
final version, because I haven't yet got one.

It is not implausible that the complex structure of NB 4.0
(editor -- several overlays -- display regulator -- HELP file
[a tremendous file indeed]) also causes delays.

In short, Teun's impressions deserve to be tested.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:19:17 -0500
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sell Out
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About Robert Kelly's "Flame": Hear, Hear. [To be spoken in an excited
plumy british accent (Which I can't reproduce, but can hear in my head,
such as it is.)]
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:22:18 EDT
From:         "Tony St.Quintin" <100034.756@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      UK (and other) Upgrades
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Contrary to Tony Hirtenstein's assertion that NB4 is not yet
seen in the UK, the first "official release" copy here was
in the hands of Dr Nina Collins of Leeds University on
Friday 21 August.  Most users updating ONLY NB3 received
upgrades in the early part of the following week.

Ibid.1.1 program files WILL NOT work with 4.  All owners of
Ibid. and Ibid.Plus will receive new versions that DO work
along with the rest of their order.  Similarly, SLS will not
work with 4......

The usually devastatingly accurate Dorothy was a smidgin
out in her "flavour" count.  The variations (and THIS is
only an estimate!) come to 168 possible variations.

You should be aware that
 a) A parcel can leave New York at 5.00pm EST and arrive in
Leeds (or Nordhorn) just after noon the next day - about 14
hours travelling time - UPS can be magnificent!
 b) Date stamping on the release files can be very
misleading - many of the above "flavours" require slightly
different combinations of files in the "crunched" release
files... The date on the release file tells you only when it
was crunched.

As most of the users on this list (and indeed, most of the
users in the UK) have more than ONLY Nota Bene there is a
regrettable further delay.  UK users will have their
upgrades within 72 hours of the master disks arriving in
Leeds.  The version supplied is the release version - not a
final beta - yes, there ARE some bugs still there..  yes,
some of the features in early beta versions that I
particularly liked have been abandoned.. hey ho!  It is
still a great program - but I would say that, wouldn't I?

Tony St.Quintin
Nota Bene (UK) Ltd.
44 Tower Lane
Leeds
Voice 0532 311994
Fax   0532 311998    (Coming soon BBS 0532 311995)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 92 14:15:00 EST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Re: Columns
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Again about columns, Rebecca of NBI gave me a helpful suggestion on columns and
that was to set a PT high enough so that the texts of the columns did not meld
into each other. This was especially helpful when the columns were Greek and
Hebrew. at times I thought I was reading and editing a horrible palimpsest. But
this doesn't work when doing a brochure with countless elegant type changes.
The whole way calumns are handled by NB4 has to be rethought.
About IBID, I know this has been discussed, but what are the differences
between IBID and IBID+? I am thinking about giving it another try; but I'll
probably wait a month or two to see if there are any bug bugs in it and its
"interface" with NB4.
mICHAEL dICK
        dick@siena (DAMN CAP KEY!)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:49:14 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: grants and margins
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Robert Hoberman writes:

> About setting the top margins: I seem to remember that during installation,
> when you install or activate your printer, you're asked whether top margins
> should be set by the printer or by the computer/program.  Maybe resetting this
> would solve the problem.

I had forgotten about that.  You may very well be right.  I've always
let NB itself manage the printer as much as possible, so I answered
"program" by reflex when that question popped up.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 92 12:32:13 CDT
From:         "Richard J. Betts" <RBETTS@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      NB4 and Ibid.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

I, too, have been unable to run, or even to load, Ibid. with NB4.  The loading
sequence comes to a screen where you are asked to insert the Ibid. disk
(I think; the instructions aren't clear) and then it reports that it cannot
find a file.  I can't remember the name, but know I could not find it on
any of the Ibid. disks.  I do not own Ibid. Plus because it has no features
I want, and I did not subscribe to the upgrade because that lies somewhat in
the future.  Has anybody found the magic file to make this work?  Without
Ibid. NB4 is useless to me.  Tomorrow I will call NBI.  Today is a holiday.
Richard J. Betts
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:00:39 EDT
From:         Buford Norman <N290024@UNIVSCVM>
Subject:      OS/2
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My thanks to Richard Betts, Paul Bodin and M>T> Bradley for their suggestions
about OS/2.  I hope people will keep discussing the pros and cons of various
task switchers and operating systems.
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 92 20:42:00 EST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Re: Multitaskers
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As all probably know I had some problems with OS/2; meantime I have been
reading about Windows NT. That could easily become the norm when it is released
this fall. What do people think; would it be best to wait until Windows NT is
released as long as multitasking is not immediately necessary?
        Michael Dick
        Dick@Siena
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 92 23:36:39 IST
From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Stuff
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Jukka-Pekka -
  Thanks for veryifying at least one of my bugs. Nice to know I'm not
totally out to lunch (I'm not sure if this is sufficient confirmation of
that , but it'll have to do).

Hans-
  The bug with the F4 search cursor - I had that in an earlier pre-release
of 4.0. It seems to be gone in the official-final-release-pre-release. Maybe
you have an older copy?

Bob-
  I'm 99.9% sure you can do the printD you want. WIth 3.0 I used to print
to disk with the postscript drivers so I could send stuff over a TOPS network
to an Apple Laser Writer on a MAC network. The print capabilities in
4.0 seem generally enhanced, so I'm sure you can still do that.

Jukka-Pekka (again) -
  Re: the CTRL-Scroll Lock bug -- do you have it only under Desqview?

Desqview Mavens -
  I have definitely confirmed that the problem I've been having (albeit
intermittently) with the menu system getting stuck after the first line is
present with a keyboard conflict of 5, but goes away with C. Can anyone
explain this to me? Does this setting affect memory allocation in some way?

Michael Jasper
Jasper@helix.mgh.harvard.edu
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