From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:34:25 GMT

Juha Iisakka (isac@rieska.oulu.fi) wrote:
: In article <TORKEL.92Nov4110033@isis.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
: > In article <1d84h9INN3rg@cs.tut.fi> ks54079@cs.tut.fi (Saarinen Kimmo Samuli)
: >  writes:
: > 
: >    >Okay, the subject line talks about the Finns in Sweden. But you still can't
: >    >wave away the minority rights of those people in Tornedalen.
: > 
: >   I have said nothing about "minority rights". I've simply pointed out
: > that those who speak of the people in Tornedalen as "finnar" haven't
: > bothered to check how these people refer to themselves.
: > 
: 
: Your opinion is sophistical. If you ask swedish-speaking
: person in Finland whether he/she is a Finn or a Swede, 
: what he/she will answer?
: 
: "Me{n kieli" is a dialect in Finnish language. I have read
: "Me{n kieli"-pages from "Haparandabladet" without any problems and 
: "Tornedalfinnar" understand very well normal Finnish language.
: 
: The reality is Finnish was banned in schools about 30 years ago and
: "Tornedalfinnar" had to create term "Me{n kieli."

Well, the people living in Tornedalen call themselves tornedalingar,
tornionjokalaaksolaiset. In Finnish history and linguistics Norrbotten
and Tornedalen is called L{nsipohja (Westerbotten)
and her finnish speaking people the Finns of L{nsi-Pohja (Westerbotten)
Source: Karjalan Rahvas 10/92, Py|li&Wande.

When the Finns in Finland call them Finns it of course means Finnish speaking
people over there, most of them are subjects of Sweden o. And the
area herself has never been under any other nation than Sweden, so Sweden
and Sweden's swedes are responsible for the attempts 
to "cleaning operations" done over there towards the Finns and the Lapps.
And this responsibility is not given aways therefore that now it is no
more legal like it was until 1968.

How this ugly history reflects in today's Sweden. Let us take as an
example Nazi-Germany, over there, the germans were 
ethnic group over the others and all others were lower them.

Swedish governement follows the very same pattern:
 swedish is the only language which
is given  a status of mother language in Sweden, all other languages spoken in
Sweden are given a lower status  "home-language" even then when a language
 is  an other original language of Sweden like finnish and saami.
But when you deal with "the nazis in reserve" like it is sometimes said
what can you add to that.

Do you not see how this rasist thinking style of Nazi-Germany
 has taken just an other more "civilized " form in Sweden.
It does not make it acceptable, even if Sweden pays large sums for
UN in order to get good positions in its administration.

A Sweden's swede is  so indoctrinated  of "swedish superiority"
that he/she has often no idea that there is any other 
 people  than swedish speaking people in Sweden originally... ingen aaaning!
The history is of course  written from Sweden's swedish point of view and
this manipulation is of course seen from the reactions of Sweden's swedes
even on this net.

Well, I think only international pressure can change the politics of 
Swedish  governement and administration.

In this sence of course Finland is in a very important role.

Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti
En finndj{vel