From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Is SEX work or pleasure (joke)
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:39:58 GMT

   About the joke, I would certainly go for it if it used the
word "Arabian" or "Gulfer" instead of "Arab," because for
example if it meant Jordan it would use "Egyptian or Syrian"
instead of "Indian of Pakistani," and so on. And in fact it
really represents the attitude of most Arabs.

minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

>I have known of many cases where the women were kidnapped and 
>then kept as sex slaves, with little chance to be seen again. 
>Little children are kidnapped and made to ride on camels in for 
>sport. The children are afraid and scream so they frighten the 
>camel to run faster. The Arabs who engage in such sport know 
>that it is an abominable act, that is why no Arab children are 
>made to do such things. Foreign labor is definitely cheap. 
>Indians and Pakistanis are given the lowest wages, well maybe a 
>bit more than Phillipinoes (after all, they want to treat their 
>Muslim Brothers a little better!).

  Mr. Minhas "*taal ^omrak," you are a bit naive to think that 
Saudis pay Muslims more, this story will explain their policy. In 
Jordan: when the former cabinet of Zaid Rifa'e -- God damn him 
and damn everybody who holds any bit of respect for him -- wiped 
whatever was left of the Jordanian treasury clean, this resulted 
in devaluation of the Jordanian Dinar by one half. Saudi 
delecations recruiting Jordanian employees devalued their salaries 
offered to Jordanians by about the same percentage. And when a 
Jordanian protested they would say, it is equivalent to ### JD as 
if he will be living in Jordan while working in SA.
  Saudis pay for your despair, the more you are in need of the
job the less they will pay, they would use you to the last
penny they can save by enslaving you. I am sure if there are
any Saudis on the net they would feel offended that you accused
them of giving a damn about their Muslim brothers. Otherwise,
why are they importing food from Jordan in large quantities for 
high prices to cut out Iraq's only way of food import and make
it even tighter for Jordanian citizens? I suggest you appologise.

>I went to Saudia Arabia some time ago, and even though my uncle 
>lived there for over 20 years and contributed all of his 
>architectural talents to the government and the people of Saudia
>Arabia, he is still not allowed to own his own house. He is 
>still not allowed to travel from one city to another without a 
>special permit, he still can not walk the streets with out 
>being called majnoon. His children (my cousins) are not allowed 
>to stay in the country during the summer break.

   Most Arab countries will consider you a citizen if your
zillionth grandfather was born there, if he was not and your
zillion-1st grandfather was born there it is not sufficient,
because you can not be guaranteed unclean and they would not
soil their people with some clean citizens. Please identify
with them.

   My friends who worked in SA in one version or the other, they
all say that the word 'Saudi' is a synonym of the word 
'ignorant.' Take this funny story: A friend of mine worked for
Ericsson in Dhahran. The company finished some project and there
was a celebration with distributing certificates for those who
participated in the project. First they started by reciting
Koran. The project manager (Swedish or so) asked my friend, what
are they doing? He answered, starting the celebration with Koran.
Later they started distributing appreciation certificates. The
manager asked and my friend answered. The manager looked at the
foreign vice-manager and asked, aren't you going to be given a
certificate?     Of course not, he is a foreigner who was 
created to serve Saudis. Now the ordinary Saudi who watches this
on TV or any other person in SA who watches this on TV thinks,
Saudis can do something afterall. "Who knows does know and that
who doesn't thinks it is a handful of lentils."

   Well if they could do something, I would not end up doing a
10-20 hour software job for a Saudi company based in Jeddah. A
manager of the company of Indian origin was a colleague of my
then-professor in Stanford and he called my professor looking
for someone to do that job, I did it. Coincidence brought a
student of that professor to Carleton and he became my Saudi
close friend, as if we inherited the friendship from our profs!

   God give more power to the Islamic opposition in SA.

>zafar

** "wi tir*hal, *sur*kuteeeee ti_thibal biwaadee laa *sudaa
   yoo*sul wa laa baagee aneeees -- Zamaan a*ssumt ya ^omra
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                             -- Talal Maddah
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