HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Jessica Raine)
Subject: Re: Battlefield band
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:20:26 GMT

	There's a rumour somewhere--it's a college-folklore type story I
think--that there exists a recording, possibly bootleg, of the Battlefield
Band doing an all-bagpipe version of "Stairway to Heaven". Anyone know if
it's true?
				Jess
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: james@wrs.com (James Moore)
Subject: Re: Origin of Mar-yah?
Reply-To: james@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:53:14 GMT

jxm@engin.umich.edu (John Murray) writes:

>Does anyone know the origins of the expression "mar-yah", indicating
>an assumption of deceit or falseness.

It's "mar dhea."  Us native speakers of Southern Californian usually translate 
it as "fer shure," or sometimes "yeah, right, dude."  An Irish friend
translates it loosely as "my eye" (it doesn't literally mean that) which at
least has the poetic benefit of sounding very similar.

-- 
James Moore                            /|\                        james@wrs.com
Wind River Systems                     \|/                  Alameda, California
	 "Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half
			  didn't mean anything at all"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
From: james@wrs.com (James Moore)
Subject: Re: Capercaillie new releases
Reply-To: james@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:32:04 GMT


Anyone know if either of these are being released in the US?

-- 
James Moore                            /|\                        james@wrs.com
Wind River Systems                     \|/                  Alameda, California
	 "Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half
			  didn't mean anything at all"
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: faq
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:48:34 GMT
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Organization: N.I.C.E.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Ulick Stafford writes:
>Sometimes I wonder if this group needs an faq list.  Some question[s recur]...

I think I detect a tongue firmly in cheek here but there are a few
requests that come up periodically. There's also a fair bit of info
that's gone by that would be a shame to repost again & again, but
perhaps pointers to it could be kept in a faq so folks could know
where to retrieve it.  

There have been many discographies, bibliographies, stories, 
[semi-]scholarly articles about various topics that probably 
should be collected somewhere.  Probably no one has them all
but some of us have a few of them.  I have a long discussion about
"canonical Irish tunes" (which needs further work, hint, hint).
Ray Dunn & others provided some very good articles about tartans,
kilts, history & so forth.   I have a few bibliographies about various
things that people have posted.  I probably also have some of the
discographies.

There should be pointers to the various news, language, cultural, & musical
mailing lists that are around, so people know where to get subscriptions.

I'd be happy to contribute to or help edit such a thing & see to it
that it was posted periodically, as long as I am able to, if people
think that's a good idea.  I would rather a group of people did the
job of editing the FAQ itself, for practical & ethical reasons.
Incidentally, there is also a CELTIC-L mailing list which perhaps
could be enlisted in this.  For example maybe they could be persuaded
to host any files such as those as I described above.  This is a nice
feature of listserv-style mailing lists.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:21:39 GMT

From article <By6n6u.3H6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, by ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib):
> In article <1992Nov20.100323.10803@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> 
>>I find the hypothesis that French will disappear but the
>>English will retain an accent distinct from the USA to be very
>>touching, but rather unlikely.
> 
> Oh OK...
> 
> Whats that accent that Troi uses? Bulgarian? It certainly 
> isn't American  9-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala
> Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU |    Frog is Frog ala Peach
> Bitnet:   NTAIB@IUBACS                 !

From here name I assume she has a Greek family background.

												GW
From: ryanp@lclark.edu (Ryan Powell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Going to Ireland, need suggestions please
Summary: pubs 'n such
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:45:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov19.184513.20245
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article 7922 (or so) John writes (wish I could be more exact, but I lost
the message in the depths of my account somewhere):

>> Guinness on me tonight, lads!
>
>  sounds like an expensive proposition, btw, which pub will this be in?

 Well, being the poor college student that I am I may have to keep it to one
round =+).  But while we're on the subject, has anyone ever thought to have
a net-gathering in Dublin?  I would love to meet some fellow netters while
spending 10 weeks in Dublin.  Would any of you be interested in setting up
some sort of gathering in a choice pub either in early january or febuary
through may?  Let me know what you think!  G'bye,

Ryan 

 "And I woke in California, many miles from Spancil Hill. . ."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cullen@crc.ricoh.com (John Cullen)
Subject: Irish Network Dinner Dance
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:17:15 GMT

"The Irish Network of Northern California will be holding their
annual Christmas dinner dance at the Palo Alto Holiday Inn on
December 5th. Music by Paddys Brew, Ticket deadline Tuesday, Nov. 24th.
                                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Contact Catherine at 408-879-0942, Maureen at 408-733-7140, or John at
415-390-0336."

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Subject: Re: Going to Ireland,  suggestions please
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 00:35:13 GMT
Organization: Massey University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1992Nov18.014553.18609@lclark.edu> Ryan Powell,
ryanp@lclark.edu writes:
>2. I play the guitar and tin whistle and have put together some songs
with 
>a fellow guitar player who is also on the same program to Ireland.  Do
any
>of you happen to know of any regular open-mikes or suggested places we
may
>be able to play in either of these places (not for money, just for fun
=+)>?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Keywords: Once you pull the pin, Mr. Hand Grenade is no longer your friend.
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:54:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.123555.1351@rdg.dec.com>
cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig "Craig" Cockburn) writes:

>No. There is one episode where Data refers to "An obscure Earth language
>known as French". I think it was in the 4th series. Data is then reprimanded
>by Picard who says "There was once a time when French was the leading
>language on Earth" or something similar.  It's in the eposide where one
>of the crew members is captured and Picard has to try to win her back.
>
>So clearly French is no longer spoken.
>

Well I guess we can all look forward to a better, brighter future
after all!  I love this speculative fiction! :-)

/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/
                       /               
/'''   Kyle Wohlmut    -  'Heute back ich, morgen brau ich, und       
c-OO                   /   uebermorgen hol ich mir der Koenigin ihr      
   \   Rocking Pig     -   Kind.  Ach, wie gut dass niemand weiss,
  -     Enterprises    /   dass ich kyle@csli.stanford.EDU heiss.'    
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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Jessica Raine)
Subject: young Picard
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:39:08 GMT

	Many thanks to the people who responded to my query about the accent
used by the actor who played the adolescent Jean-Luc Picard. I liked his
accent a whole lot--it sounded almost musical. And yeh, theoretically a
young Picard might have been speaking French, but the vast amount of
ST:TNG watchers would not have understood what he was saying. Besides, one
might assume that by the time ST:TNG is supposed to take place, it is
common for kids in France to speak fluent English.
					Jess
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Subject: Re: The Irish Election - My Two Pence
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Distribution: soc.culture.celtic
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:18:49 GMT

jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta) writes:

>	Labour Party? LEFT WING? 
...
>They dumped Mary Robinson because she was too radical 
...
>				Jo Grant

I don't think that is accurate.
Mary Robinson resigned from the Labour Party 
some years ago ostensibly because 
she thought the Anglo-Irish Agreement unfair to Unionists.
I don't think that could be described 
as a left-wing or right-wing attitude.
I believe Dick Spring tried to persuade her to stay.

(It was widely said at the time
that she was upset at constituency rivalries,
and that that was the real reason for her resignation.)

When she was in the Labour Party 
no-one would have described her as left-wing.
She was more-or-less apolitical --
her work for various disadvantaged groups
having brought her naturally into the Labour Party.


-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:45:46 GMT

Aren't there a gazillion star trek groups?  Wouldn't this discussion be more
approriatly taken there?  I'm sure a avid trekkie could answer this question
with little trouble.


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+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
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From: ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET (Dan Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Cookbooks or Recipes?
Date: 14 Nov 92 09:12:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ASUACAD.92319.021252ATDYW
Organization: Arizona State University

There is  a collection of Irish/Scottish recipes in the Gaelic-L
archives.
From: kjcarey@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kevin J. Carey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: The Irish Election - My Two Cents
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:36:02 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

It is clear to me from reading the evidence to the Beef Tribunal that
Albert Reynolds is a half-wit. He was was utterly out of his depth as
Minister for Ind and Comm, and now he is totally utterly out of his
depth as Taoiseach. He doesn't understand the concept of insurance, and
sees his own dimwitted instincts as superior to the best expertise in
the civil service e.g. "Well all the expert advice was that we shouldn't
do business with Iraq but based on my businessman's instinct I thought
we should". The taxpayer is now out several hundred million as a result
of his "businessman's instinct". It makes me wonder how his dog food
factory is so successful. Maybe those stories about suspicious EC grants
are true. He didn't have a clue over the Maatricht/abortion controversy
either, and doesn't have a clue on the issues in the forthcoming
abortion referendum. And Charlie Haughey would never have fallen into
the trap of accusing someone of being "dishonest". Charlie always had an
impressive range of adjectives available to rubbish even a true
allegation "Absurd, contempible, grotesque, unbelieveable, bizarre,
unprecedented" but NEVER NEVER would he call a rival dishonest. Irish
politics is no fun anymore. Personally I think Labour will do very well.
In any normal country, 20% unemployment should have people on the
streets and at the barricades, so at the very least you'd think it would
translate into votes for the left wing, and with Labour as the only
credible left wing party, they should benefit. 
Incidentally, for those here in the U.S. I see that C-Span is going to
have election coverage, starting at 8pm Eastern on Wed.    I used to
root for FG but I think I'll have to root for Labour this time.

---- Kevin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: pmurphy@nrao.edu (Pat Murphy)
Subject: Re: Going to Ireland, need suggestions please
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.014553.18609@lclark.edu> ryanp@lclark.edu (Ryan
Powell) writes: 

>1. Is there any possibility of Internet access from Dublin (i.e. is Trinity
>hooked up to the net?)  I am an active e-mail/net user and would really
>be able to use access in Dublin.  

Both Trinity and UCD are well-connected.  Several people from
(something).tcd.ie and ccvax.ucd.ie have posted in this group before.  If you
can get an account while at TCD you should be in business.

>2. I play the guitar and tin whistle and have put together some songs with 
>a fellow guitar player who is also on the same program to Ireland.  Do any
>of you happen to know of any regular open-mikes or suggested places we may
>be able to play in either of these places (not for money, just for fun =+)>?

Others could answer better than me.  A *long* time ago I remember some halfway
good (but incredibly crowded) sessions in O'Donoghues, not too far from the TCD
campus (long ~= 1.5 decades).

>		   Guinness on me tonight, lads!

Could you e-mail that?  :-)

				- Pat
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Battlefield band
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:11:45 GMT

From article <BxuHBo.G21@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Baker):
>  While browsing through the foreign folk section at one of the local
> music stores, I cam across a CD by the Battlefield Band.  Has anyone
> heard of them?  What type of music could be called their speciality?
> Thanks.
> 
>
Great band. The play many instrumentals using "traditional" instruments
and "the traditional highland synthisizer". They play both "traditional"
pieces and their own music; my favorite is "The Dear Green Place", which
is a song about Glasgow written by one of the band (Allan Reid maybe?).
I strong recommend them. Also, does anyone know if the still have their
annual "Highland Circus" concerts?

													GW

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From: johnl@yang.earlham.edu (John Fiskio-Lasseter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Subject: Ar Log
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:22:21 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Can anyone tell me of a source for the Ar Log albums?  They recorded on 
Dingle's a couple of years back and produced four albums of Welsh music, 
of which I have two.  These are two of my favorites in my collection, and 
I would love to get the other two, but I understand that Dingle's no 
longer exists.  I've tried my main sources -- Elderly Instruments and 
Andy's Front Hall, but neither one have any copies.

Can anyone help out here?

-- John
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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:03:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
>   st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) says:
>          Birkin, but I'm not sure. More to the point, the accent he spoke
>          with was supposed to have been an English accent, but it didn't
>          sound like the English accents you usually hear on American TV
>          shows.
>No. There is one episode where Data refers to "An obscure Earth language
>known as French". I think it was in the 4th series. Data is then reprimanded
>by Picard who says "There was once a time when French was the leading
>language on Earth" or something similar.

I find the hypothesis that French will disappear but the
English will retain an accent distinct from the USA to be very
touching, but rather unlikely.

Matthew Huntbach
From: kakleman@acpub.duke.edu (Kubilay Akleman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Cymraeg! (was: Re: Cookbooks or Recipes?)
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:09:12 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I disagree with "provisions for English in Anglicised areas (in the Welsh heartland)"  because Cymry Cymraeg will have to come to these towns to do their shopping etc. Cymraeg yn unig! (But then I'm a radical Plaid supporter!)

Education in English with Welsh as a compulsory subject in transitional areas? 
No. That's the way it is everywhere in Wales now. The only way of saving Welsh in the so-called "transitional areas" would be schools with "Addysg trwy'r Gymraeg" (Welsh-Medium Education) with maybe English as a foreign language in high school. (If the Cymry di-Cymraeg don'tg like that, they can always move to Lloegr!)

In the "Anglicised" areas such as NE Clwyd and Gwent (and De Morgannwg), even students in English-medium education (for there ARE Welsh medium schools - even 
one in London!) should have to start taking some subjects in Welsh after some years of taking Welsh. AND NO PROVISIONS FOR SAESON COMING TO WALES LIKE THOSE IN EFFECT NOW!

As for commercial signs: In Welsh and Transitional Areas (Gwynedd, Dyfed, Gorllewin Morgannwg, West Clwyd, West Powys and Morgannwg Ganol (maybe) Welsh only; in Anglicised areas compulsary Welsh on top on all commercial signs and Welsh only on official signs.

Iawn?

Andrew -
Tafod y Ddraig!
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From: tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Tom Brady)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ar Log
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:41:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov16.002221.20509@yang.earlham.edu>, johnl@yang.earlham.edu (John Fiskio-Lasseter) writes...
>Can anyone tell me of a source for the Ar Log albums?  They recorded on 
I do believe that Ar Log albums can be ordered from the good
folks at Sain Records. A few years back, I was seeking Welsh
music for my radio program and gave them a call. They were kind
enough to send a package or two of cassettes our way*. The
address I have for them (circa 1989) is:
   Sain (Recordiau)
   Sain (Recordiau) Cyf.
   Llandwrog, Caernarfon
   Gwynedd (WALES)  LL54 5TG
   (0286) 831.111
The people I spoke with over there were quite nice, if a bit
incomprehensible to this southeastern American's ear (Welsh 
accents and all). Good luck!

* Note to budding American DJ's: If you want to get service
  from UK record companies, I say: "Don't hold your breath!"
  The shipping costs are too high and the return on investment
  too low for them to ship promos across the Big Puddle. Now,
  you might be able to set up something with some of the 
  smaller labels, but for someone like Celtic Music or Cooking
  Vinyl - forget it. If you've got any questions about this,
  drop me a line.

-Tom
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: faq
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:42:34 GMT

Sometimes I wonder if this group needs an faq list.  Some question occur
with intriguing regularity such as

1)  I know someone at the University of Ballymagesh.  Do they have any
    computers there?

2)  I will be in Ireland in a few months time.  Are there any good pubs there?

3)  My name is Czajkowski.  Is there a tartan?

A few other questions come up quite often.  Anyone care to add a few (or even
answer them :-).
 


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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