From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: One sure way to prevent a teen abortion? (was Re: Governor Casey for '96 President?
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:00:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.191513.102922@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
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>In article <1992Jul27.161324.26015@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
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>Well, thanks, Dennis.

I am not your father. Can't you get that through your thick skull? 

>In a single article, you have shown your complete lack of
>compassion for pregnant teenagers (proving that at least
>one pro-forcer here on the net really doesn't care about
>children or women, only about fetuses) and provided an
>excellent argument for doing away with parental involvement
>laws.  

This latest argument of mine is just a suggestion, Susan, of what
parents could do to circumvent your feverish efforts to remove
parental rights. 

>(To inject a little reality into your most recent fantasy,
>I should tell you that parents may not not simply drop
>their children off at an "unwanted children's home" without
>legal repercussions.  I should also tell you that
>the scenario you describe is all too common in the real
>world, and most normal people find it a despicable solution.
>You would not prevent any future pregnancies in the family,
>you would merely guarantee that the other young women
>would not discuss their pregnancy with their parents.

Oh, I bet they could do a lot of damage by warning her very early that
she'll be put out if she tries having an abortion. She's got to go to
_someone_ for the money, right? That's another 5-10% right there
who'll need their parents' money. Especially if the parents ask for
receipts back. 

And don't ever let the news _ever_ leak out. We're talking lost
inheritances or being kicked out in the future. 

And if I were this kind of parent (which I'm not), I know of any of a
thousand sneaky ways to find out of my daughter is pregnant. And those
are just the ones listed in the book. I can be given to cheat. 

But as they say, I would get the job done and then pass the strategy
on. 

>I would imagine that the vast majority of all judges would
>readily grant a judicial bypass to a young woman with a
>family history such as you describe.)

Oh, yeah? My brother was put out during his teens, and they only took
him back because they _wanted_ to (my parents, that is). Otherwise,
he'd have been stuck in a boys' home forever. 

There _was_ no way for him to prevent them from doing that. They did
it and no cops or agency threatened to come down on them for it. BTW,
my brother was 14 then, and the crime was talking back.  

Like I said, there would be no way of escape if the parents decided to
put their daughter in an unwanted children's home for having an
abortion. 

You want to talk about fierce, Susan? Parents can be extremely fierce
in ensuring that your pro-choice stance does not execute itself in
their house. Not that I support this tactic; it is just one that I
know damn well can be carried out, just like when wives threatened
divorce if spousal consent abortion laws were upheld. 

>I do hope you continue to tell the world how hateful
>you are, though.  You are your own worst enemy.

I'm just presenting a way to circumvent you, Susan. 

Is that any worse than wives threatening to divorce their husbands if
spousal notification laws were to hold? 

>Susan


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