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From: mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole)
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS (Continental/People Exp)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:51:10 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <s2gh2INN61l@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> neil@calvin.ksu.ksu.edu (Neil Erdwien) writes:
>
>If you are on a flight that is overbooked, and you believe you are about to
>be bumped involuntarily, would it be better to volunteer?  In other words,
>are the inducements to be bumped better for volunteers or forced bumpees?
>
>
>--
>Neil Erdwien
>Kansas State University
>neil@ksuvm.ksu.edu

Last year I was traveling and flew through Newark.  It was
a Friday around the spring break period, and I didn't really care if
I got home right away or not, so I volunteered for bumping.

The flight was Newark to Orlando, and it was overbooked by more than
10 seats.  The Continental gate person came on the PA system, asking
for volunteers, each of which would get ONE free ticket that could be
used to go anywhere in the continental US.  Only 3 volunteers plus
myself, so it was still overbooked by 6.  The gate person came on the
PA again, stating that now they would offer TWO tickets to each
individual that volunteered, and all previous volunteers would ALSO
get TWO tickets.  Only 3 more volunteers, still overbooked by 3.
The gate person came on the PA again, stating that now they would offer
THREE tickets for each volunteer, the previous volunteers ALSO getting
three, BUT.....if they didn't get enough volunteers, they would have
to randomly bump people, and those that were INvoluntarily bumped would
only get ONE free ticket.   Only 1 more person volunteered.  All of the
volunteers, including my, received THREE free tickets, and the the two
people that were INvoluntarily bumped only received ONE.

Many Thanks to Continental and several families dieing to get to Orlando
at Spring Break.  My family enjoyed snow skiing at Park City this year.


Mark. 
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From: silber@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jeffrey Silber)
Subject: Re: Airline food
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:28:02 GMT


The one way I can see asking for Kosher (vegetarian, low-fat ...) meals
hurting is that if the airlines see an overwhelming demand for special
meals they'll decide to start charging extra for them.

Since over 50% of my flights are in Beech 1900s I don't worry too much.
It's always such a pleasure to be on a plane in which I can actually
walk straight up (5'7"). :-)
-- 
"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money."
                                                          --Sen. Everett Dirksen
Jeffrey A. Silber/silber@tc.cornell.edu
AD-Admin Svcs/Cornell Center for Theory & Simulation in Science & Engineering
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Subject: Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post (common complaints) 
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:08:32 GMT

In article <STEINAR.92Apr14181633@faust.solan.unit.no> steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf) writes:
>Larry Autry writes:
>
>>Why it's ok to lower your window shade during a movie.
>And its counterpart: Why it's a good idea to lower your shade during
>long-haul, "night-time" flights going up to the polar regions in the
>summer.  Grumble.
>
>-Cindy Kandolf
> cindy@solan.unit.no
> Trondheim, Norway

Please fill me (us) in.  What does this light show look like from 30/40,000
feet.  I presume your meaning to be that it's distracting to "seasoned"
fliers in that region.(?)  
The morning sun can be quite irritating as well when your trying to catch
those few extra winks that you missed by boarding an early morning flight.


Only sometimes, I wish that there was a separate cabin for new fliers.  
Things that irritate me personally that new fliers do (and even frequent 
fliers). Please keep in mind that this is not intended to be offensive,
just a good humored conscience raising. :^)  One more thing, most of the 
time, none of these incidents occur.  I have been flying often enough to
see one of these events happen at least once.  If I did any of them myself,
I apologize to whomever might have been sitting next to me and it won't 
happen again.

 
Talk about crashes.
Bring infants without their pacifiers. (agreeing with another poster)
Constantly peer out the window when you're in the window seat.
Repeatedly peek out the window when the movie is playing. 

After this, there's even more crossover into frequent fliers.

1.) Person (usually a man) crosses legs, intruding in neighbors space.
    (This type of person will do this anywhere, even courtesy buses.)
2.) Two people in adjacent (aisle) seats carry on a boisterous conversation
	disturbing folks in a wide perimeter.
3.) Person stands in aisle, talking loudly to person sitting.
	"locks" window seat passenger in.
4.) Person knowingly sits in a seat not theirs in hopes that you'll swap.
    ( ... and it wasn't open seating, honest.)
5.) Person brings so much gear on board that they ask to stow part of it
	under the seat in front of you.
6.) The neighbor you strike up polite small talk with doesn't want to 
	stop talking. 
7.) Passenger within earshot is playing music not to your taste very
	loudly through their "Walkman".  (And you being without yours.)

I take it back, frequent fliers, can be more irriting than new fliers.
I suppose that there are more things that occur but these are within 
the "norm" of what people do to irritate other people while only
meaning to look out for themselves.  To avoid doing any of the above, 
remember the golden rule.  I will say that most flights that I am
on are pleasant and really, I'm not a complainer (really).  

--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
autry@sgi.com
From: bo643@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frederick E. Vaughn)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: PO' PATHETIC COLLEGE STUDENT WANTS TO KNOW...
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:59:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.225943.22946
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I'd just like to know (from experience) which airlines have usually
been the best deals from Boston to...

	1. San Francisco
		(attending a conference this summer)
	2. Minneapolis-St. Paul
		(just for the hell of it; also considering a possible move)

(Any responses, on the net or by private e-mail, will be much appreciated.)

FRED
-- 
FREDERICK E VAUGHN  | bo643@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
		      fvaughn@lynx.northeastern.edu
	"I didn't mean to turn you on."
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From: muttiah@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah)
Subject: Rome <-> Chicago (ticket prices)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:41:29 GMT


Does anyone know whether it is cheaper to buy a return ticket (from Rome to
Chicago and back) in the U.S or in Italy ?

Please email.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: dae@world.std.com (Dwight A Ernest)
Subject: Re: Eaasy-sabre access??
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:51:13 GMT

haynes@fleagle.ucsd.edu (Kevin Haynes) writes:

>	I am familiar with Eaasy-sabre and was hoping someone could tell me
>how to access this system.  I used Eaasy-sabre when I had a subscription to
>Prodigy a few months ago, but I do not subscribe any longer...  Are there any
>*other* ways to access the system, such as dial-in lines, or other services?

It's also available through Compu$erve, in an arrangement apparently similar
to that available through Genie and Prodigy.
-- 
--Dwight A. Ernest    KA2CNN    dae@world.std.com
  Publishing System Software and Networking Consultant
  171 East Street #373    Methuen, MA 01844 USA
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From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Continental Airlines
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:37:34 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Group W Bench

In <1992Apr7.164701.19910@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

>Its very unlikely they'll collapse during the summer, which is peak season
>for the airlines.  But you probably should use a credit card for Continental
>ticket purchase if possible.

The other trick you can use to protect yourself, if no plastic is available,
is to use a travel agent.  Thataway you have someone to go to bat for you 
if the bird company goes kablooey.

Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
From: temme@fwi.uva.nl (Sander C. Temme)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Cheap fares London <-> Amsterdam?
Keywords: fares Europe
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:58:53 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

Hi, anybody out there who knows how much I will pay for a last-minute
flight from London to Amsterdam? And Back?

Thanks in advance,

Sander

-- 
Sander C. Temme          Mail:                "All on-planet telephoning 
University of Amsterdam  temme@phys.uva.nl      should be on local rate."
Physics Department       temme@fwi.uva.nl                 (Just a thought)
From: ugabarra@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Il Viaggiatore)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: International fares for a poor undergrad
Summary: need low fare for trip to sicily from wesat coast
Keywords: fare, lowest, sicily, Sicily, Italy, italy, international
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:09:39 GMT

I was wondering if anyone could give me an average low fare for a plane
to Sicily (anywhere in Sicily) from the LA / San Diego area.  I am planning
to work this summer to get the money to travel next summer, so I just need
an average number to figure into what I need to make this summer.  I plan
to stay for most of the summer, although I am going to purchase a round trip
ticket.  Also, if there are any military personel out there, I was wondering
if dependents could purchase tickets for a MAC flight.

thanx for your cooperation
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: barry@falcon.axion.bt.co.uk (Barry Au_Yeung)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: AMEX coupons???
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:15:29 GMT
Reply-To: barry@falcon.axion.bt.co.uk (Barry Au_Yeung)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


Hi, everyone,

So, can anybody tell me how can an AMEX card holder obtain
the coupons and what can I do with them?

Thanks.
From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Delta 30 day Standby Airpass
Keywords: delta
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:11:34 GMT
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia

A friend and I are travelling to the US in July, and we want to use a
Delta 30 day standby air pass to get around.

Has anyone had any experience with these?

How long are we likely to wait at airports for vacant seats, as we are
"standby passengers"?

(and no, we won't be travelling on 4th July etc...)

How good is Delta (safety/service/food/legroom wise) ?

What are the best times of the days to get seats?

The price for overseas travellers is US$449, which is damn good value
for 30 days unlimited trips. We have a copy of the conditions and there
are no catches, OTHER THAN the fact you are on standby.

NorthWest have a similar deal, same price. Is this better or not?

We have visions of waiting days in airport lounges....!

Flying between cities will maximise the places we can see in our time in
the US. I know these questions may sound silly, but bear in mind that
the Australian airline industy/system is *nothing* like the US.

Glenn

Net: g.wallace@trl.oz.au | Please don't cut down the tall timber
IRC: HMMurdock           | Let it grow tall straight and true
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Frequent Fliers
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:36:30 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Apr13.205336.9010@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sfg2483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Shachar Frank ) writes:
>henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>
>>british airways is no longer associated with the ffb programs of any
>>us airline.  
>
>Not true! They're remaining partners in the FF programs of USAir and Alaska
>Airlines. They discontinued patnerships only in their competitors programs
>(i.e, United and American).
>
British Airways also now have a frequent flyer program of their own (at
least for U.S. residents). Awards are for transatlantic travel only so
it's not a lot of use for those people who infrequently fly across the
Atlantic. The program also purportedly allows families to 'pool' their
mileage for award purposes. Seems like the program is geared to
expatriate Brits visiting Britain with their families.
--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"Clive Thomas' decision was the watershed when we realised that referees
 were crazy egotists and mad people" -- Six-O-Six
From: terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:00:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr7.190035.687
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

In article <1992Apr7.020013.27660@u.washington.edu> treon@milton.u.washington.edu (Treon Verdery) writes:
>well, I got the $189 coupons from AMEX.  They have my name written
>on them.  My question is, can I somehow buy a ticket for my girlfriend
>with one of them so that we can go the same place for the same price?
>
>Note: the AMEX travel certificate says, "no", but I would be very interested
>in people who have managed to do this anyway.  Is it really a problem?
>
>With both "treon"s travelling on the same plane at the same time, will
>anyone get 'confused'?

I had my friend in Portland buy me a ticket on her Amex for my rt from LAX-
Portland-LAX.  We were worried the travel agent might wonder why a person IN
Portland would need a RT TO Portland, but they didn't even question it.  I got
the tickets & was afraid I'd be ID'd at the gate.  In fact, I was totally
sweating it, 'cuz they ID'd the guy in front of me, but I think that's 'cuz he
was paying for his ticket right then.  I had no problem either way, except the
ulcer I got from worrying about it.  Her name is Katherine & I'm female, so I
don't think it aroused much suspicion, but I'd suspect the same wouldn't be 
true for male/female combinations.  I had a boyfriend once who bought a ticket
from a girl named "Alexis".  I went up to the check-in counter for him, and 
they didn't have a problem with me being "Alexis", so he flew just fine.  I'd
recommend this if you're traveling on a female's ticket.  
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From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Re: Bereavement fares no longer exist
Keywords: What do we do about sudden illness/death?
Reply-To: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:29:11 GMT

|> Can anyone suggest a strategy for getting around this?  By way of example,
|> could one purchase a ticket that allows schedule (date) changes and
|> just keep changing the ticket every week?  That may sound like a stupid
|> idea, but it is the only possibility that has occurred to me thus far.

Yes, you can do it, but you will have to pay a $25 fee for each reissue.
And when you reissue you have to meet the adavnce-purchase conditions
of the fare (7- or 21-advance).

Why would the airlines do this?  You found the answer:

|> In the interests of simplicity (I figure that
|> translates into increased profits), the airlines have done away with a
|> lot of formerly available special fares, including for the clergy, and
|> the military, and senior citizens, and people who have to get home
|> suddenly for a funeral.

Paulo Santos
pas@cc.gatech.edu
From: slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov (Scott Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: FFB miles on Ch. 11 airlines (TWA)
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:12:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Massively Parallel Computing Initiative, LLNL


Hi folks, I just recently saw in Kiplinger's Finance magazine an article
about some company that, for about $80, will insure you against losing your
FFB miles if the airline goes belly up.  The caveat is that if the airline's
miles become usable on another airline, then the insurance is worthless.
I've got a substantial number of miles on TWA and can't afford to use
them until over a year from now.  I'm wondering what people think
about this insurance.  A friend of mine just barely got to transfer
his Pan Am ticket to Delta when Pan Am bit the dust.  It sounded like
if he hadn't already cashed in his miles for a ticket that he might
have lost them.

On another note, anyone who has been a TWA FFB member for awhile might
want to make sure they know about their "equity miles."  These are
miles earned before they changed their award system a few years ago.
The deals are much better but only apply to the equity miles.  Call
the TWA FFB number to find out your status.
--------------------------------------------------------
Scott Whitman			slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov
LLNL, L-416, P.O. Box 808	(510) 294-4109
Livermore, CA 94550
From: aralston@hermes.ece.wisc.edu (Andy Ralston)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Best Fares magazine
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:25:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.222512.15498
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <SCHEROCK.92Apr7182120@maestoso.mit.edu>, scherock@maestoso.mit.edu (Stephen F. Scherock) writes:
|-> 
|-> Does anybody know how to subscribe?  Please reply via e-mail to...

Please post too!
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: BUMPS / USAir
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:32:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.102817.8962@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sfg2483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Shachar Frank ) writes:
>altus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Altus) writes:
>>USAir hubs:  PIT, CLT, BWI, PHL, DAY, IND           
>Dayton is no longer a hub (since 1/92). LGA has a lot of USAir flights, though.
>(They bought a bunch of gates from Continental).

They'll have a lot more gates at LGA since they bought operations rights
from Trump (Trump still owns ~52% of the airlines but for letting US Air
operate it and supply the capital, Trump "graciously" is letting US Air
put their name on the planes).  There are a number of gates that US Air
can use in that terminal and rumor has it they will.
-- 
scott barman			|            LET'S GO METS!
scott@asd.com			|            LET'S GO METS!
				|            LET'S GO METS!
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:39:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US

> >I believe the longest nonstop routes are NYC-Johannesburg, flown by SAA.
> >(sanctions permitting).

> Nope, it stops in the Cape Verde islands.  Still a long trip, though.

I was wondering about that one.

> Expensive, too.

Yup, a side-effect of noone wanting to fly to a particular destination
is that the bad guys get to charge more or less what they like. I'm
hoping that this will improve in the near future - does anyone have
any information on Richard Branson's (Virgin Air) attempts to fly
from London to Johannesburg? The last rumour I heard was that he was
planning to start in October, and that he would undercut the current
fares by over 50%. If any of the US airlines took on a Johannesburg
route as well, that would shake SAA's price structure up a bit.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: thundt@dis9001.shearson.com (Thomas M. Hundt)
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<rrcldINN8gm@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:06:27 GMT

   From: jtkohl@cs.Berkeley.EDU (John T Kohl)

   > > What is the longest (timewise/distance)
   > Probably LAX - SYD nonstop on QANTAS or United Airlines.

   SFO-HKG		6914 mi		14:50 
   HKG-SFO				11:55

Guess that's why they have the new 747-600s, with crew sleeping
quarters in the tail section...

-Tom Hundt

Thomas M. Hundt -*- thundt@shearson.com -*- 212/464-3892
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From: llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Re: AMEX Coupon Transferability
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:35:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.044502.3594@leland.Stanford.EDU> tkw@leland.Stanford.EDU (Todd Whitehurst) writes:
>I have heard of several people getting checked for identification
>when using the Continental/AMEX coupons on Continental Airlines.
>
>However, USAir also takes these coupons.  (USAir, if they are still
>doing so, will take almost any coupon from any other airline.)  I
>have twice used my AMEX coupons on USAir.  They have never checked
>my ID, nor have I ever heard of them doing so to any student.  My
>belief is that they have so few students using these coupons that
>they don't bother checking.

i guess it boils down to how well the airline official knows the
rules,...
i've used mine once on usair. i booked the flight by phone 1st
(that person knew of the transferability to usair), but actually
purchased the ticket 1/2 hr prior to my flight at the airport.
"all" the info must have been on the screen (the phone person
told me she would make sure the folks at the airport are aware of
teh validity of the coupon), since that woman did not ask me a single
question, except that i show a student id + a photo id! however, i almost got away with not using my amex card until after she bothered to read the
restrictions.
From: AXLEROD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Harvey Axlerod)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: BUMPS / USAir
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:29:27 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo


    I travel quite a bit with USAir. I am willing to be a volunteer BUMPEE for
the free voucher.
 
    QUESTION: Does anyone have some reasonably solid evidence as to the most
              likely hub for a bump with USAir ?? (I can often route through
              several hubs, and would like to know the odds.) The hubs I hit
              most often are Logan (Boston), LaGuardia (NYC), Philadelphia
              Cinci, and Pittsburgh.
 
              Thanks in advance.
 
 
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From: envmhs@bea.lbl.gov (Max H. Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:04:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22584
Organization: lbl
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.45

In article <dunbar.702673016@beagle>, dunbar@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Scott Dunbar) writes:
|> I would have to say that another long flight is
|> 
|> Paris to Papeete on UTA/Air France
|> its 24,000 Kilometers Non Stop
|> Which translates to 14,880 miles i believe
|> 
Stops here in SFO