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From: GROSSER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Grosser Martin)
Subject: blaeh-Venezuela !!!
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:21:53 GMT
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sorry,

das VENEZUELA-Trekking war kein kommerzielles (no advertisement) posting.

Den Preis habe ich selbst, nebst Freundin,als ganz normaler Teilnehmer bezahlt,
der Veranstalter weiss ueberhaupt nichts von meinem Bericht hier, ich haette 
keinerlei Provision und keinerlei nutzen wenn auch nur ein einziger auf den 
Geschmack kommen wuerde. Auch habe ich nichts mit der Organisation, Vermittlung
und Abrechnung zu tun.
Trotzdem koennte ich mir vorstellen, dass einige Leute, die nichts mit 
Neckerman-Tourismus o. ae.  am Hut haben, sich fuer alternatives Reisen und 
Preise interessieren.

martin
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Upgrades
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:38:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan11.003844.19182
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

TWA has a very nice upgrade policy -- most of the time you can get
an upgrade to either First or Ambassador Class if you have a gold card,
and occassionally even if you have a silver card.  You can even get them
on international flights with a gold card.  Plus, you don't need to
"cash in" miles to get the upgrade.  My question is: do any other US
airlines have similar upgrade policies for frequent fliers?

Chris
From: jannik@pusix.vbo.dec.com (Jan-Erik Pedersen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Cheap round trip fare to the Caribbean
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:39:10 GMT
Reply-To: jannik@pusix.vbo.dec.com (Jan-Erik Pedersen)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Does anybody have any expirence on how to get cheap fare to the Caribbean from
France and Norway Any destination in Caribbean is interesting.
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From: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Arthur G. Yaffe)
Subject: Re: UA Round the World Dropped
Reply-To: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: . . . Next week, we've got to get organized.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:19:14 GMT

The airport code for Delhi is DEL.  NDL is unrecognized by American's
EAASY-Sabre.
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Internet: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
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From: mccauley@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Seats/Re: Boarding Passes
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:54:14 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <1993Jan7.121455.1@us.oracle.com>, bkush@us.oracle.com writes:
> There is a new twist to seat assignments with Delta for sure and I am sure
> other airlines do it too.  Delta is going to hold/reserve some of the better
> seats for there Medallion level flyers.  I am not sure if hold/reserve is the
> best wording, but their word to there frequent flyers, ie. Medallion and 
> Royal Medallion, is that with this status you have a better chance to get a 
> good seat.  I heard that the way to accomplish this is to book a Medallion
> flyer in the window and then another in the aslie.  Then fill the rest of the
> plane and fill the middle seats between the Medallion flyers last.  Therefore
> you chance of having a open middle seat is greater.

As a United Mileage Plus member with Premier Executive status, I can 
confirm that United does similar things.  In the seat map for the flight, a 
code for your seat indicates your status to the agent.  In coach, the seats
next to Executive members are filled last.  Also, when making reservations 
in advance, as a United regular, you're much more likely to get the seat 
you want.  
 
When checking in for a flight from Denver to Oakland in the post holiday 
crunch, the agent told the traveler in line ahead of me that only middle 
seats remained.  Yet, when I presented my ticket, an aisle mysteriously 
became available.

There are a few other intangibles too.  The flight attendants always know 
where you are on the flights, and are extra helpful.  

> Also when you are put on a standby, the Medallion flyers jump to the top of 
> the list as well.

I've not been on standby for a while.  Last time it happened to me, I 
didn't seem to have any trouble getting on the flight.  Also, when making 
connections, United has held connecting flights for me.  Quite an 
experience to get on a plane and have them slam the door as you walk 
through.  Then, passengers always ask you who you are that you rate making 
everyone else wait.  Good for the go, if nothing else.

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From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: Seats/Re: Boarding Passes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:52:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.145414.1@vaxr.llnl.gov> mccauley@vaxr.llnl.gov writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.121455.1@us.oracle.com>, bkush@us.oracle.com writes:

[ ... Much good stuff deleted for brevity ....]

>> Also when you are put on a standby, the Medallion flyers jump to the top of 
>> the list as well.
>
>I've not been on standby for a while.  Last time it happened to me, I 
>didn't seem to have any trouble getting on the flight.  Also, when making 
>connections, United has held connecting flights for me.  Quite an 
>experience to get on a plane and have them slam the door as you walk 
>through.  Then, passengers always ask you who you are that you rate making 
>everyone else wait.  Good for the go, if nothing else.

Another apparent nice feature of the United Premier and Executive
Premier program is that on International Flights if the Economy Class
is overbooked and there are vacant seats in the Business Class then
the Premier and Executive Premier members booked in the Economy Class
on that flight are offered free upgrades to Business Class (of course
Executive Premiers first and then Premiers). This has happened to me
twice in 1992 on flight from London Heathrow to Newark NJ. I have
never seen this in writing anywhere but I asked the gate agent in
London what the algorithm was to determine who gets upgraded. He first
said that "one should never look a gift horse in the mouth", and
then told me that the Executive Premier and Premier status was used on
a first come first served basis. So, it pays to check in for
international flights way in advance.

This happened to one of my bosses on a flight from Sydney to San
Francisco even though he was travelling on a free Mileage Plus ticket!

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
From: mwj@beta.lanl.gov (William Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Flight times and the Jet Stream
Summary: How much delay is reasonable?
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:52:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory


My boss just got back from a trip to Washington on an agenda that I will be
essentially duplicating next week: depart Albuquerque one day (via TWA to
STL), return late the next day (via USAir and Pittsburgh).  The return leg of
this flight involved a rather horrendous delay, which I gather isn't unusual
for USAir operating out of Pittsburgh (although I've never had much trouble
there myself).  What made this one unusual is that the delay occurred *in the
air*.  Allegedly ultrastrong headwinds caused the flight time on the PIT-ABQ
leg to be significantly greater than normal.

I suppose it is plausible that meanderings of the jet stream could result in
unusually potent headwinds -- certainly I've heard this lament on flights
myself.  Still, I am somewhat suspicious of this explanation.  Does anybody
know what the *real* consequences of a wandering jet stream for air travel
are?  How much can the jet stream slow a plane down?  How much of the delay
is already hidden in the flight schedules?  (Observe that westbound flights
over North American always are listed as taking a bit longer than eastbound
ones.)  And how much is just the airline making excuses for poor performance?

Related question: Assuming that such consequences really do exist, how far
south must one route one's flights from the mid-Atlantic coast (Washington,
Baltimore, points in Virginia, etc.) to give a reasonable chance of avoiding
them?

Any hard data appreciated.

-- 
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Los Alamos National Laboratory		| Usenet Motto: "If you have nothing
Los Alamos, New Mexico USA		| to say, then come on in, this is the
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From: rfeldman@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Bob Feldman)
Subject: Re: Rio De Janiero
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:16:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.200541.19380@src.dec.com>, srcguard@src.dec.com (Lytton (SRC) Guard) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 	What is Rio like and if anybody 
|> 	knows, when is the best time to go
|> 	there?
|> 
|> 	Any comment is appreciated.

There's an article on Rio in the 1/3/93 NY Times Travel Section.  Didn't
read it, but it looked interesting.

I visited Rio in August.  Beautiful setting.  But do guard your
valuables.  (A friend of mine had his pockets picked.)

Bob Feldman
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From: djablon@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J. Jablonski)
Subject: Re: Flight times and the Jet Stream / nonsmoking question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:10:22 GMT

In article <KMEYER.93Jan12123933@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>On 11 Jan 93 10:53:36, eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias) said:
>
>> "no smoking on domestic flights under 6 hours".  i asked
>> the flight attendants about this 6 hour restriction and if it
>> was real.  they replied that there is no 6 hour cutoff, that
>> all domestic flights must be nonsmoking, regardless of duration.
>> can anyone confirm this?  this was on Northwest and since they
>> were nosmoking before the law, i wonder if maybe i got wrong info
>> from them.
>
>As I recall, the law states that all domestic flights WITH A SCHEDULED
>FLYING TIME of less than 6 hours must be entirely nonsmoking.  The
>six hour exemption was put in as a last minute amendment to the law
>for flights to Alaska and Hawaii.
>
>I don't believe there are any flights longer than 6 hours in the lower
>48; the two longest flights I know of (Boston-Los Angeles and
>Miami-Seattle) are both under 6 hours scheduled flying time.
>

actually, BOS-LAX nonstop flying times (scheduled) are:

UA 179  6:28
AA  11  6:26
AA 181  6:18
AA 103  5:59
UA 133  6:25

there's just so few flights over 6 hrs scheduled that nobody allows smoking
on them.  LAX-BOS flights are about an hour shorter.  The only MIA-SEA 
nonstop lists as 6 hours, 34 minutes.  

flights of 6 hrs. plus are out there, there's just not a whole lot of them...
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Questions on Boarding Passes
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:59:08
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
	<1992Dec29.153852.15977@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
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In-reply-to: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com's message of Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:38:52 GMT

On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:38:52 GMT, jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji) said:
>..I was assigned to was already occupied by someone else. In both cases
> both the boarding cards showed the same seat number. In both cases one
> of us had not checked in at the boarding gate or checkin counter at
> the airport....
> Let's face it guys (and gals), the real problem is with the abominably
> designed distributed seat assignment software that all airlines seem
> to use. 

Most airlines note in the fine print of their tickets that anyone who
hasn't checked in or boarded 10 minutes before scheduled departure time
may lose their seat assignment.  (In actuality, I've seen both United
and Northwest start giving away seats ~15 minutes before departure).
This is exactly the way the seat assignment software is supposed to
work--at some point, they have to start giving people seats that look
like they are going to be empty.

If you have an advance boarding pass and don't board until the last 15
minutes, it is very likely that your seat will have already been
reassigned because the airline believes you are not planning on flying
on that flight.

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From: lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster)
Subject: LAX-ZRH airfare
Organization: Olsen & Associates, Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:48:01 GMT

Can anyone tell me approximately what airfare to expect to go RT 
LAX-ZRH (that's Zurich) in February?  It's really hard to get lowest
fare info from here on US originating flights.  We'll probably be
able to book 21 days in advance, and length of stay is not important,
so we can basically meet any restrictions.  Any airline is okay, but
we would like to avoid more than two stops.  Thanks all,

			*lindy*

lindy@olsen.ch
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:59:26 GMT

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote: 
->In article <1992Dec31.224326.28845@news.media.mit.edu> geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt) writes:
->> In article <1992Dec31.201944.20078@oakhill.sps.mot.com> fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt) writes:
->> >
->> >I'll be travelling on a NW 747-200 SFO->BKK and was wondering what the
->> >best [non-smoking] seats in the house are?
->> 
->> You probably want to sit "up top".  Your mileage may vary; ...
->
->You mean you get different frequent flyer credit depending where you
->sit?  :-) :-) :-)

absolutely ... upstairs on UA flights is usually connoisseur (sp?)
class.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: starchen@cs.sfu.ca (Sergei Strachenko)
Subject: Re: Smoking Airlines (was Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?)
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:12:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.172440.17885@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> csanoy@bcars689.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cynthia Sanoy) writes:
>
>I realize that this topic has probably been discussed here a zillion times, but
>here goes again:
>
>Does anyone have a list of airlines that provide entirely smoke-free International
>flights?
>
>I know that Air Canada is smokeless on North American flights, but I'm not sure
>about international flights. 

All Air Canada flights (including international) are smoke-free.

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From: wing@canada.ceo.dg.com (Brian Wing)
Subject: Re: LAX-ZRH airfare
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:07:00 GMT
Organization: Data General (Canada) Inc.

lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster) writes:
: Can anyone tell me approximately what airfare to expect to go RT 
: LAX-ZRH (that's Zurich) in February?  It's really hard to get lowest
: fare info from here on US originating flights.  We'll probably be
: able to book 21 days in advance, and length of stay is not important,
: so we can basically meet any restrictions.  Any airline is okay, but
: we would like to avoid more than two stops.  Thanks all,
: 
: 			*lindy*
: 
: lindy@olsen.ch
EAASY SABRE tells me that United Airlines offers a fare of US$557.20 (all
taxes and fees included) for that route with one stop in CDG (Charles de Gaulle).
The fare codes it cobbled up are QLXEUR2 and QLWEUR2.  Penalty is US$100 for 
any changes, 14 day advance purchase, gotta stay at least one Sunday,...
the usual collection of inane restrictions.
Other airlines appear to offer this fare; I just picked one at random.
Hope this helps.

-- 
Brian Wing                         
Software Support Critter           dotdot: brian_wing@canada.ceo.dg.com
Data General (Canada) Inc.        "Hello?": +1 604 273 5100
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Segment free ticket deals return/cheap Euro fares
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:14:59
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu's message of Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:04:59 GMT

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:04:59 GMT, tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) said:
> Based on ads in the paper yesterday and today, the airlines are doing
> a repeat of last quarter's "Fly 8 segments, get a time limited free..."
> [details on American, USAir, and TWA's promotion deleted].

I called Northwest and asked about their promotion.  It will basically
be the same as last fall's promotion:

Qualifying flights taken 4 January to 2 April.  A certificate will be
earned for each 8 segments OR 12,000 miles.  Certificates can be used 1
Sept 93 to 18 Feb 94, subject to blackout dates at Christmas,
Thanksgiving, etc.

1 certificate:	RT domestic travel Free
		RT Europe travel for $198
		RT Asia/Aussie travel for $498
		RT ASIA upgrade from executive to first class

2 certificates: RT Europe travel for free

3 certificates: RT Asia travel for free

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From: pls@acs.bu.edu (Panna Sharma)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Wanted Tix to S.D. in March
Keywords: San Diego, Tix, March
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:06:16 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: pls@acs.bu.edu


I plan on travelling to San Diego in March. I prefer to leave around
March 6 or so and retrun around March 13 or so. I plan on going down
to Baja for a few days and enjoying my Spring Break. If anyone has
any cheap tickets or knows of any good deals on tickets from BOSTON
to SAN DIEGO please contact me. If there is other travel info or tips
which you might know of which could provide helpful please send them
to my acct. THANKS.

--pls@acs.bu.edu--


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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: >>Travel Info Needed for Jordan<<
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:46:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.094931.22098@ncsu.edu> theodore@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrew M Smith) writes:
>I need information on the cheapest possible way of travelling to the
>Hashemite kingdom of Jordan.  Any ideas?

Royal Jordanian does a lot of wholesale selling of tickets to Europe.  I
once flew them very cheaply London-Amman-Singapore.

I would look to the New York Times Sunday travel section and try the
cheap travel agents there.  Look for ones specializing in that area of the
world---you want to find a place that Jordanians/Palestinians use.

But be careful.  Use a credit card if at all possible, even if they want
to charge you a couple percent more for the privilege.

You might also try KLM.  They've had really good deals to Europe from the
US lately, and might have good deals to the Mideast as well.

Jordan's a really neat place.  Hope you have a good time.

RNA
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 16:50:23 CET
From: <JKAS@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject:    Cheap airfares Houston-Orlando-Houston

Hi Everybody,

I'm planning a visit to Houston next week and I want to spend a
long weekend in Orlando. Any suggestion about places to get a
good rate for this trip???

Thanks a lot,

Jacqueline
From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: For Sale: Denver -> NYC (LGA)
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:01:51 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

For sale,
1 ticket Denver -> LaGuardia Airport (NYC)
Wed Jan 13th.

Female name

$100 obo

Call Rachel 303-449-9432

-- 

					David
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From: harry@sun.ac.za (Harry Lewis)
Subject: London/Paris/Oslo/Frankfurt Flights
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:22:13 GMT

My wife and I have to travel from London to the above destinations,
in that order due to visa requirements. What
is the best way of doing this, as our time is limited. We will be doing
the travelling over a one month period, of which most of the time
will be spent in Oslo (12 days).

Any one any ideas?

e-mail to harry@mort.sun.ac.za
From: j.d.singleton@larc.nasa.gov (Jeff Singleton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Questions on Boarding Passes
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:18:42 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center - Hampton, VA USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: b648mac6.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan6.154053.19747@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>,
jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji) wrote:
> 

     <stuff deleted> 

> So the bottom line from experience is that merely boarding before the
> last 15 minutes is not enough. You have to actually make sure that
> they have recorded the fact that you are present and boarding by
> having that information entered in the local computer before boarding.
> You can do this either at the boarding gate checkin counter or at the
> checking counter at the baggage checkin counter.
> 
    <another deletion>

> Jishnu Mukerji
> jis@usl.com


  This is very good advice.  I once had American cancel the return leg
  of a round trip because I had boarded the plane directly without
  checking in at the gate.  The only reason I found out was that I had
  called them up to try to change my return flight.  They were very
  friendly about it and reinstated my return flight without question
  or penalty, but it would not have been much fun to go to the airport
  and discover that I had no seat.  Oh yeah, I had preassigned seats
  both ways and no, nobody showed up on the outbound leg with a
  duplicate boarding pass.


  jeff singleton
  j.d.singleton@larc.nasa.gov
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From: djb@bambam (David J. Braunegg)
Subject: Boston area travel agents
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:02:36 GMT


Can anyone suggest a good travel agent in the Boston area (the closer
to Concord, MA, the better)?  I'd like to find one that is familiar
with Europe and that is especially willing to help me find bargain
airfares.  The ones I have dealt with in the past have only gotten me
bargains by me first finding the bargains advertised in the paper and
then telling the agent about them.

Thanks,
Dave
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