From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Ronald Bense, idiot? (was Re: Steve chaney, hypocrite??? Naaahhh (Re: Questions about "consensus")
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:30:20 GMT

In article <24861@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>In talk.abortion, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>I would like to know where the idea came from that laws are made
>>simply because the majority decided something was wrong.
>
>>By the way, this is a trick question.
>
>I have a much better one....
>
>>|Pro-Contraception   Pro-Freedom of Religion, Speech & Sexual Orientation   |
>				     ^^^^^^^^
>My "religion" states that an abortion must happen if the pregnancy threatens 
>the life of the mother-to-be. It also requires an abortion in cases
>where a new baby cannot be afforded or wanted, provided that in this
>case the potential mother does not wish to carry this fetus to term.

Your religion may state that human sacrifice is okay, but it don't
mean that a non-sectarian society has to go by it. 

You mean you never understood how things could go AGAINST you as well
as for you, on this? 

Gloria Feldt's religion, she says, actuates personhood one month after
birth. Does that mean she is being unfairly deprived of her practice,
in the United States? 

COME ON, RONALD BENSE - ANSWER THIS DIRECTLY. 

>Would I be free to practice this religion in your world? You claim to
>be pro-freedom of religion, after all.

What about you? 

>BTW, in case you claim that this is not the tenants of any religion,
>some have claimed that logic and science are no more than beliefs, and
>therefore a type of religion.

Some. Who, pray tell? 

>>|Pro-Privacy    Pro-Humanism   Pro-Freedom of Choice    Registered Democrat |
>
>Pro-privacy? Then leave me alone. Leave everyone alone. If you are really
>pro-privacy, then you wouldn't be sticking your nose into others business,
>even for the sake of that fetus, as the fetus' thoughts and feelings
>wouldn't be known to you unless they are talking to you, which is the
>only case you could claim intervention. Or are you moving up/down (???
>he is incapable of moving up, and nothing is below him, hmmm) ahhh,
>using Frau F's "I hear the fetus talking" stance now?

Well, Ronald Bense, why don't we leave the drug users alone, too? 

If your reasoning were so correct, it would apply consistently. Seeing
as it doesn't apply anywhere near consistently, your attempts here to
crack a joke, aren't working. 

A newborn's thoughts aren't know to anyone but intervention is fully
allowable. 

Nothing you've argued here, holds any ground, Ronald. 

>Let's forget the rest of the hypocritical nonsense you espouse in your
>.sig. You stand for every thing these things are against, and the only
>reason you'd be a registered democrat is in an attempt to undermine
>the Democratic party.

Nothing in my .sig is hypocritical. Care to provide some proof besides
the weak bullshit you've decided to nag me with? 

Yup. I would like nothing better than to see the Democratic party
change. 


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>##       "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
>##  that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
>##  we want to be precise)..."
>##    -- Gloria Feldt,
>##       chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona

>##   "I see nothing extreme or reprehensible about this statement."
>##     -- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) <BtnDAw.Iwo.2@cs.cmu.edu>
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|Pro-Contraception   Pro-Freedom of Religion, Speech & Sexual Orientation   |
|Pro-Privacy    Pro-Humanism   Pro-Freedom of Choice 	Registered Democrat | 
|			Card-carrying member, NRLC                          |
|           Dedicated to achieving civil rights for the unborn              |
-----Steve Chaney: Founder, Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.0-------
	       The B.O.S.S. does not speak for CSUS. 

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