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From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bar ends for MTB
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:41:42 GMT
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <1992Jul24.221355.15967@r-node.gts.org>, marcelg@r-node.gts.org (Michel) writes...
>Cheryl Lynn Lavertu <LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> 
>>I own a Jamis Quest hybrid, and just bought some bar ends to
>>add some variable hand positions, since I sometimes ride
>>60 plus miles at a time.  I've seen bar ends installed on
>>the MTBs ridden by our university police, and theirs are
>>installed at a 90 degree angle to the ground (straight up).
> 
>I can't imagine that this would be a comfortable position.
> 
>>   The instructions that came with my bar ends suggest that
>>a position 20 degrees from parallel to the bars is the best.
>>Does anybody else have bar ends on their MTB-type handlebars
>>and if so, what position have you found most comfortable?
> 
>I just got a set of bar-ends for my MTB.  The handlebars are the
>standard 60cm 6-degree-bend bars.  I set up the bar-ends so that they're
>pointing towards the centre of the bike, and sloped up about 20 degrees
>from horizontal.  My check was to shake my hand to get it into its most
>natural position, and then make sure that the bar-end duplicated that
>position.  This was done while on the bike, so I was in the normal
>riding position.
> 

        I have a set of the original Control Stix L-bend bar ends.
Mine are parallel to the stem and I have no problems.  People that ask
me usually end up with theirs the same way, or so I've seen.
Interested to see what everyone else thinks.

             Joel Brodsky   jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                            jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                            jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                            jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: liana@nexus.yorku.ca (Liana Becker)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (functionality)
Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:54:02 GMT

Well, when it comes to what a helmet can do or not do.  My brother had a
car pull out in front of him and he went through the side window and into
the car.  Allan knows he was going fast becase he was on a major busy street
and easily kept up to the cars (he races bikes).  At the hospital they
told him that the only reason he was alive was because of the helmet  
(which was a right off of course).  He was severly bruised and cut, the
bike was wrote off and the car sustained substantial damage.  Ever since
I make sure that I wear my helmet.

(oops forgot, the window was closed and the last thing he remembered be
fore he passed out was the glass falling all around him.)

Liana

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dkreindl@well.sf.ca.us (David Kreindler)
Subject: Racing Tandem for Sale
Summary: Santana Team racing tandem bicycle for sale
Keywords: tandem,racing,Santana,Team,sale,selling,bicycle
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: rec.bicycles
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:13:40 GMT



I have a Santana Team racing tandem bicycle, in perfect condition, for sale.

This is probably the most beautiful bicycle ever made. The fillet brazing is
absolutely perfect; each tube seems to flow into the next. And the paint
(eight coats of gold-flecked pearlescent white Imron) is astonishing to look
at. (It also has violet water-bottle cages,  violet and white zebra-striped
saddle covers and gold handlebar tape.)

This bicycle is equipped entirely with 8-speed Dura-Ace components except
the pedals (Campagnolo C-Record platforms with alloy clips), the rear
seatpost (SunTour XC) and the brakes (Shimano Deore XT cantilevers). The
rear saddle is a woman's racing Turbo.

The frame is 53 cm front and 51 cm rear, but this is not exactly comparable
to single-bike sizing.

This bicycle sells new for $4500. I am asking $3000. It is being offered for
sale because of a romance gone tragic. The bicycle currently resides in
southern Vermont.
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:10:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul29.001007.21576
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 26559@b11.b11.ingr.com, jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Roberts) writes:
>|> Why would what the racers use (with virtually unlimited budgets) be
>|> a good indication of what other people should use?
>
>Your comment was:
>> Cartop racks are expensive and noisey. They're OK for transporting
>> bikes if you don't have any other way...
>
>His point was:
>Those racers, _because_ they have virtually unlimited budgets, have access to
>"any other way", and they still chose roof racks.
When I was racing, my budget was hardly unlimited.  My bike rode a lot
of miles on top of a Volkswagen Rabbit with an "el cheapo" nut-and-bolt
type roof rack.
Now that I have a job, I still use a roof rack (Yakima).  It lets me
get into the back of my station wagon without fooling with the bike
rack, and the bikes don't come into contact with anything besides
bugs (which I can wash off) and the front of my garage (which i
can't).

In article 14891@dsd.es.com, jason@dsd.es.com (Jason S. Ehrhart) writes:
>I was so impressed, that when I bought my Taurus SHO, I went out and
>bought another Yakima. This time, I needed a rack for aircraft style
>doors. 
>
>After using it one season for skiing, I am very disappointed with 
>this type of rack from Yakima. It doesn't mount correctly and as a
The aircraft style fits fine on my 1992 Honda Accord.  Not to say
that it is equally well engineered for your Taurus.  Are you
sure that you have the right clips?

I have a friend who bought a Thule to put on his Subaru Legacy
even though he likes the Yakima better, because he liked the
way the Thule fit on his Subaru.


Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Where is Spike Bike?
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:17:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Jul23.192842.29207@u.washington.edu> bilgeoid@u.washington.edu writes:
>About two or three years ago there was a series of articles about a fictional
>gun-toting, automobile-hating biker called Spike Bike.  I really liked them
>and would like to re-read them.
>
>Does anyone know where to find these articles, perhaps they are in an FTP
>archive or something?

They are available for ftp from draco.acs.uci.edu in pub/rec.bicycles/spike*.



Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:45:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Summary: making HEADWAY in helmet acceptance?  NOT!

In article <=-lmhvd.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>And speaking of helmets:
>
>Has anyone here seen the latest DORK ad (If your head is shaped like this)
>from Headway?
>
>After taking every opportunity to try and convince people that
>helmets look, if not attractive, at least not unattractive, these
>horses asses run ads essentially saying that helmets make you look funny.
>
>I think they can safely assume that I'll never handle one of their
>products.
>

I hope the net can forgive me for copying the entire post.
I did, at least, take off the cross-posts:-}
This line of thinking had not occurred to me.  I did think it was, as 
Thomas said, a DORK ad, but did not make the connection he did.

However, I completely agree.  I suggest anyone who can make the time to do
so should register a complaint.  This company needs to be made aware, as
I needed it, that this ad has the potential to reverse some of the
progress recently made in making helmets "cool" and/or trendy

The ad, as it appears in Mountain Bike Action's September issue,
includes the following:

	(800) 231-0773 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. 
	Pacific Standard Time.

One of *my* pet peeves is people who say "Standard Time" in the summer
because they don't know what it means.  I'll bet if I called tomorrow
evening at 4:15 pm PST  (5:15 pm PDT) nobody would answer.  

Please, anyone who has the time, CALL & COMPLAIN.  If they can't make
a record of your complaint, ask to connect to someone who can, ask for
an address to write to, whatever it takes. We could even point out what
Bell and others are doing to make kids' helmets more appealing.  They
need to know they're cutting their own throats.

It's conceivable that Douglas Adams could sue them, as well, for
copyright infringement;-)
From: Andrew_L_Chu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bridgeston MB-2 Mt. Bike for sale
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 19:09:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

I have a 1991 Bridgeston MB-2 Moutain Bike for sale. It features

    - Ritchey Logic tubing frame 
    - Ritchey Logic fork
    - Shimano deore & deore XT drivetrain
    - Dia-Compe 986 brakes
    - Vetta gel saddle
    - Ritchey Vantage Rims with MegaBite tires
    - Never been crashed
    - Frame is 46 cm (16.5 in)
    - Only used occainsionly
    - Recently fully serviced

My asking price is $550. The reason I am selling this is to purchase a 
new road racing frame. Please reply or call (415) 321-3158 for details.

Andrew Chu
Andrew_L_Chu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes)
Subject: Re: Why Are Power Bars Banned in Canada?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:40:38 GMT

The story I got from the local bike shop is because of the word "power"
in the name.  The cdn government doesn't this "misleading" title and banned
the bars from being brought in cdn bike shops.  They will allow the shops
who have them to sell the rest of the stock they have, so this leads me to 
believe that there is no illegal substance in them, or they would have
been pulled from the shelves. IMHO.

Stacy Janes 	Bell_Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario

** Standard discliamers apply **
From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Correction on the Avia walkable shoe post I made
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:00:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul27.020018.14213
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


	The Nashbar catalog said these shoes used to be $59.95 but
the priceis now $24.95.  THey are the Avia Sport Fitness shoe,
Nashbar catalog number AA-50-(size).  Catalog lists sizes 4-12
with half-sizing, but the Cust Svc Rep told me 12 was out of
stock (no-back orders accepted at that time) but that 13's were
coming in and could be backordered.  The Avia shoe (this one)
can use either two-bolt standard slotted cleats or the Look
3-bolt pattern.  Ask PBW for more details since I won't get
mine until about August 10.  The rep did say they run small.

	Other options include the Sidi Dominator (about $180)
or the Look ATB shoe, or getting the SPD pedals and then buying
Shimano or Specialized walkable SPD shoes.  If you don't require
ARC rotation, then that might be the best choice for those
who haven't already bought into a clipless system.

If I had to buy a turing shoe (Turing Shoe, definition:  Alan
Turing defined a Turing Shoe as a cycling shoe designed for
walking so well that a casual bystander watching the cyclist
walk but not able to see the cyclist's feet, would not
be able to say from visual or audiatory clues whether or not
the cyclist had on cycling shoes......)

If I had to buy a walkable touring shoe for clips and straps, I think
I would first try the Avocet Model 50 (nashbar AV-S-50-(size))
becuase it had a plastic cleat seated in the tread which is
adjustible to allow you to pick your foot angle.  Of cousre  I don't
know how my foot would fit Avocet shoes.....

Jobst:  What kind of shoes do you use with your SPD pedals?
-Case Kim
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:05:40 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <9207240237.AA00112@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com writes:
> Malcolm Butler writes:
> 
>> The question is, is it worth putting new spokes into old rims
and..............
.  Get a new rim though and not an
> Arrya.
> 
	WHAT'S WRONG WITH ARRYA? (or however you spell it) - I only yesterday
bought a new rim of that brand,  lightweight and semi-aero,  with a good price
tag by New Zealand standards.  I know they're not the best,  but the worst???

Jonathan.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: greg@regulus.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Subject: Re: Questions on Sew-ups
Organization: Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University.
	<0095E577.6AAA43A0@FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO> <Bs7ptB.EwJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:20:42 GMT

In article <Bs7ptB.EwJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon ) writes:

   dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes:


   >I've been using the SP1 for two years now, and I have not been able to wear
   >one of them out yet. The problem is that there is so much glass, sharp
   >stones etc. that my tires flat before they get weared out.


   I dunno about NeoPro SP1's but the Pro SP1's that I've used have been great
   tires.  The wear pretty well, but traction is a bit of a problem compared
   to a pair of Clement Criterium's or Vittoria CX's.

Perwsonally, I'll never buy another Neo-pro or SP1 as long as I live.
They never wore out.  They would flat from the inside because the
stupid stitching would rot out.  (We get rain here every now and
then -- blech).    Now I use corsa CX's kevlar on the front, and Pave
CG's on the back.  I have wrecked a rim with CX's without having the
tire go flat (mind you, the casing went 1000km later...)

  ..greg
--
Greg Franks   (613) 788-5726     Systems and Computer Engineering,
uunet!mitel!cunews!sce!greg      Carleton University,
greg@sce.carleton.ca             Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  K1S 5B6.
Overwhelm them with small bugs so they don't see the big ones.
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:47:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

It is important to realize that the WD in WD-40 stands
for Water Displacement. WD-40 was designed to get underneath and
wash water off of metal parts to prevent corrosion.

WD-40 has _no_ lubricating properties. If you read the
information on it it clearly states this.

Spraying your newly washed chain with WD-40 will have the
effect of staving off rust. But it will not lubricate the 
chain.
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tandems, again
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:17:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: keps.1992Jul21.211741.20968
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems


Tandems do come in smaller frame sizes without having to go custom. You
may have to go with a mountain frame, but you can build it up as a road
bike. There are narrow 26 inch wheels available and 1" slick tires. Plus
the 26 inch wheels will be a little lighter than 700's.

-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:45:12 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 NBC must have deliberately "conspired" to add extremely annoying "color" to
their coverage. Their motive, of course, to get viewers to spend the money
for the triplecast.

 The Olympics occur once every four years. NBC buys the right to show the
events on tv. Instead of showing mostly sport, they add music videos, scripted
pseduo docu-dramas, stories of personal tragedies of athletes, and my favorite
to hate (only because it is their newest attrocity), a 5+ minute film of the
architect/artist Antoni Gaudi. The film (tolerable) was followed by the "sports"
commentators "critiquing" the artist. 

 Right now the idiots on nbc are going "out on the town" checking out the
Broadway of Barcellona. I cannot beleive this! As I write this they keep on 
compounding the tragedy. Over and over.

 Once in four years and they insult us with this crap.

 The tv listing said there will be cycling on. Still waiting................


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best)
Subject: Re: Helmet Safety: any reliable evidence?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:43:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.164118.20764@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca  
(Michael Feld) writes:
>  [stuff deleted]

Do we really have to get into the helmet wars again?

-Karl

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jhood@banana.ithaca.ny.us (John Hood)
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Organization: Pick a banana, any banana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:09:17 GMT

In article <4fxs02VO1bCK01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.115511.16845@alf.uib.no> paulo@eik.ii.uib.no (Paul Olav Tvete stipendiat) writes:
>>....300 days of rain each year. Will paraffin wax work well under wet conditions?
>>
>
>No.  The one drawback of waxing a chain is that it washes off easily after
>one wet ride.  You would be rewaxing after every ride.

It doesn't wash off (how could it?  It's caked on solid...)  The real
problem is that paraffin doesn't provide any corrosion protection, and
that it doesn't provide much lubrication, comparatively.

Balance that against the fact that paraffin is congenitally unable to
attract dirt :), is clean, and is easy to renew (drop chain in hot
bubbling vat, no cleaning).

I waxed the chain on my last bike (I'm in between bicycles), but I
wasn't quite good enough about it.  Still, it worked well, and I never
got chain stretch, despite the chain looking pretty rusty at times.

Still, I wouldn't recommend it for a place with 300 days of rain a
year.  Paraffin works much better if you keep the bicycle someplace
warm and dry (indoors) when you're not riding it.

  --jh


-- 
John Hood, CU student, CU employee, and sometime BananaOp
jhood@albert.mannlib.cornell.edu,jhood@banana.ithaca.ny.us,jeh@crnlvax5.bitnet
By any reasonable computer's standard, I'm a virus.  So are you.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: flat states (was Re: centuries)
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:30:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.205845.10024@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes:
>>between there must be an elevation change :-)  Eastern Kansas is quite
>>hilly and parts are still forested.  The Flint Hills are beautiful
>>rolling hills in the central part of the state.  Now if you want to
Try the book "Prairyerth" by William Heat Least-Moon for an exhaustive
description of the Flint Hills. It will give you a rather different
view of Kansas.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: SunTour Command Shifters
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:46:19 GMT

We recently tried the SunTour Command Shifters and hated them. I saw
the picture and thought *cheap man's STI*. They require long, strong
thumbs.  They are really hard to push. When in different gears, you
must use different hand positions.

That said, I'd sell them for $25. They have been used on a 25 mile
ride, and I originally paid $50. (I know they are in the Nashbar
catalog for less than $50, but they didn't have any when I called 
and would not backorder them)

-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Stupid Question from novice on gears
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:34:44 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Jul21.172000.4404@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>The other standard is 'progression', where you take the gear ratio and
>multiply by the circumference of your wheel; that tells you how far you
>travel for one turn of the wheels.

Sigh, 'how far you travel for one turn of the PEDALS', that should say...

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Spontaneous blow-outs
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:26:36 GMT

Ron Larson writes:

> The Velox rim tape is great.  I use to use a plastic rim tape but
> discovered high pressure pushed it far enough into the spoke holes to
> fracture the rim tape length wise and create a sharp edge on the tape
> that actually sliced the tube.

The plastic tape of which you speak must be Michelin yellow tape.
I have had it crack lengthwise and have seen others with the same
problem.  Cool Stop and Specialized tape works well with my rims.
It is reusable and easy to lift off to give access to spoke nipples.
I recommend it.  I find sticky tapes a pain to install and remove.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu (Tim McBrayer)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Originator: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:34:52 GMT


In article <22784@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
|> In rec.bicycles, MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
|> >I watched the finals of the Women's Road Race yesterday and....arrghh! Is
|> >*everything* going to be this bad? It's the MTV-ing of sport.
|> 
||>     Imagine if they did this for baseball:
[Amusing scenario deleted]

Unfortunately, it won't ever happen like that.  I mean, look at the &%@$!@#
basketball coverage!  Do we really NEED to see EVERY MINUTE of the U.S. team
slaughtering Outer Mongolia 73,179 to 6? Give me a break!
[flame off]

...and now back to cycling...
-- 
Tim McBrayer                                tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu
Computer Architecture Design Laboratory     (513) 556-0904
University of Cincinnati                    "Visualize Whirled Peas"