Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
Subject: Re: Institutional racism 
From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:14:47 MST
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In article <1992Dec17.022822.26077@blkbox>, collins@blkbox (Chad R. Collins) writes:
> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> 
>>  Neither of us wants to become integrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>  Who has been the primary detriment regarding the integration efforts of the 
>>  1960's???  Oh no we don't want integration!
>>  Remember 2,4,6,8 we don't want to integrate?
>>  I didn't see no white folk in the ghetto trying to integrate into thier 
>>  schools!  
>>  Blacks may not want to integrate now, at least I don't since, IMO, it has
>>  been a failure.
>>  Regarding Vanilla Ice.  How many black rock stars do we see?  They are out 
>>  there.  You can play on my turf but I can't play on yours!
> 
> 	You mean like Michael Jackson and Tina Turner? Just a couple of
> examples. I dont really see that part as true- nor have I ever heard a
> white person say that they could be a rock star becuase they were black...
> As for the 1960's- I dont know, I wasn't born then. All I know about is
> 
  Many of you white people really blow my mind.  Just about 3-4 weeks ago
  I was having a local battle with university employees on our own local 
  conference.  My argument was why is it that the local rock & roll station
  doesn't play any of Tina Turner, Mike Jacksons collaborations with rock
  artists, John Butcher, Stevie Wonder's remakes of the beatles as well as
  many other black artists rock remakes,  but when a white rock artist covers a
  black artists song(i.e. Red Hot Chilli Peppers do Stevie Wonders 
  "Higher Ground") they get all kinds of airplay on ROCK stations.
  The unanimous counter argument was that all the black artists I mentioned 
  weren't rock.
  So what is it now that YOU PEOPLE are trying to say?  They are rock now?
  I can send you a transcript of the discussion if you like.  Better yet I may
  even post it in this conference.  Then you can argue the position that Mike
  Jackson and Tina Turner are rock.
 
> what I have seen in my own lifetime, and what I see two sides that really
> have no desire to work things out anymore.
>
  I can't speak for everyone.  As for myself I have tried.  Forget it, the
  solution is seperation.  

  "We would all hate to wake up to the nightmare that becomes real life.  But 
  when mislead who knows a persons mind can turn as cold as ice." 
             --Stevie Wonder

>>  How can we live together if we are both so different?  Good question.  Big
>>  daddy U.S.A. should have thought about that 400 years ago. 
>>  Go back to africa is not that old.  I had to hear it throughout high school
>>  when neither myself or many whites were familiar with what Africa was all
>>  about.  So what has happened to that phrase?  Are whites afraid it might
>>  come true?  I'm game!!!  It is a solution to be considered.  U.S.A. certainly
>>  has the military strength and financial wealth to carry it out.        
> 
> 	Well, frankly, I don't think I would mind that- why dont you put
> forth a bill with your local rep., and while you are at it why not take
> Terry Parks and all his (or her, not sure which) friends with you... you
> two seem to be made for each other. Honestly, I try to be reasonable and
> what do I get? Another of the ameriKKKa speeches. Save it, I have heard it
> all before.
> 
  Please!!! Terry Parks.  Heaven doesn't want her and hell's afraid she will 
  take over.  So I guess you're stuck with her.
  As far as leaving I'm glad you see things my way.  At least I'm not alone.
  Now if we could just convince "The Man" to send me and the rest of blacks
  away since, I don't want to see yall's ugly face no more and yall don't 
  want to see mine. 
  Nothing like permanent real tangible solutions to permanent real problems.
  It's going to take some time, but I have time.  Might have to shake & quake 
  the place up some, but I'll get the job done.  I live for it!!!
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