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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:54:19 GMT

In article <thaaang.726305390@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Do they honestly truck around perfume in tank trucks?
>
>Hmm... truckers that smell like French cathouses. The mind boggles.
>--
>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
>

   They do get hazard pay, I understand.

   Wayne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:53:34 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan8.203959.4544@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:

>Ain't it funny how food changes from place to place (even within
>a single state) yet keeps the same name?

You can imagine my suprise when I moved down to the Carolinas and asked
where there were some decent barbecue resturants.  I quickly learned that
in the central and eastern Carolinas, barbecue is not pork that has been
grilled with gallons of spicy, sweet red sauce.  No, down here when you
order "barbecue" it's pork that's been slow roasted until it falls off 
the bone, shredded and mixed with a load of spices and vinegar.  That and
it's topped off with pitchers of sweet tea.  You try telling them that
it's not barbecue, and you may not live to walk out the door.  Especially
down around Wilmington, NC.

Peace (Thinking about heading out for dinner at Bullock's Bar-Be-Cue
after getting off work here at the old VA emergency room.)



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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Travel Advice Needed - Tuscany
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:23:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan12.192331.27993
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C0Jw5r.LDw@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>
>I've got a trip planned this summer which includes
>a one-week sail around the Ionian islands of Greece.
>
>Being that I intend on taking two to three weeks
>off, I've been asking around for advice for where
>to go for the week or so before the sailing trip.
>
>One response I received was "Tuscany".  Between
>Florence and Siena.  Driving.  He told me it was
>*beautiful* and the first week of June would be the
>perfect time to go.
>
>I'll be hanging out in bookstores this weekend reading
>about it, but I would love to have some first-hand 
>information or advice or whatever.
>
>Thanks in advance -
>
>Greg

Summer '84 I lived with friends in a medieval castle in a small town
called Fabro, midway between Florence and Rome; near Perugia and
Orvieto. It was fabulous. We drove everywhere, the Italian Autostrada
system is great, and tourists get gas coupons which make the gas only
two times as expensive as the U.S. If you have a good travel agent,
you shouyld be able to find a small pensione to stay in; something on
top of a hill is best, the views are shattering. Florence is quite
american in flavor, and has the only real gay life in Italy that I
could tell. Rome, of course, has some, but Italians tend to stay con
mia mamma a bit too long to have any fun, and it is, after all, home
to the mother ship of the Catholique Church. Siena is really great,
and you can buy ordinarily expensive Italian pottery dishes cheaply;
downside is you have to lug them back home.

I strongly recommend buying a Michelin guide, and checking out
restaurants when you drive along that are "exceptionally good for the
money". Unbelievable. Consider trains too. Our plan was to have a home
base for exploring, and that worked very well, but we were four. It
might be cheaper to stay in pensions and go by train. Cars are very
expensive in Europe.


-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette)
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:32:15 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan9.051453.19777@spdcc.com> urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell) writes:

>...and, of course, we shouldn't fail to mention the contributions 
>Waffle House has made to civilization.  Traveling through the Southeast,
>there is at least one Waffle House on each exit... in more popular
>areas there are two Waffle Houses on one exit... one for those who 
>turn left after the exit and one for those that turn right after the
>exit ramp.

Oh, dear Lord, please make it stop!  Waffle House is that nauseating
place I have to smell every time I tank up my car just off the Fayetteville
Road exit and I-40.  And, yes, there is another one just down I-40 on
the next exit at NC55/54.  They're everywhere down here.  

Peace (Thinking about Country Kitchen back in Missouri and cinnamon rolls
that go on for days)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:09:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.164738.3596@isunix.cdx.mot.com> Brown_Michael@msm.cdx.mot.com writes:
>Hi,
>
>Just would like to introduce myself, I'm new to News, and thought I'd begin
>with a question what is motss??
>
  Honey, there's people been here for *years* still trying to
  figure *that* out.


  Wayne


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:43:00 GMT

In article <76092@apple.apple.COM>, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
> Steve Dyer:
> 
> >We're talking serious cosmetics cases.
> 
> As in, the kind that must be checked when flying commercially, a la
> Tammy Faye.

  Don't you think she would get cold down there in the baggage compartment?
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: ac999265@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999265)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Women's scents (was Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:26:14 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu
Keywords: sexy smells

In article <C0Ho6r.L6@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan6.162340.12182@midway.uchicago.edu>, cuzz@ellis.uchicago.edu (Laura Cuzzillo) writes:
>
>|> Personally, I like my perfume.
>
>What do the women here think about perfume/cologne
>on women?  

Well, this one swoons for Opium and Lauren.  And sometimes for White Linen,
but I think it only works on willowy blondes.  Paco Rabane Eau de Toilette
is what my mother _always_ wore when going out someplace nice, so whenever
I smell it I am once again a small girl, watching her get dressed up.  I
don't think I could have sex with someone wearing it.

I wear Opium, and buy Lauren for my other.

-- Miriam
   ac999254@umbc8.umbc.edu



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:24:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.204040.5631@wixer.cactus.org>, will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz) writes:

> Perhaps we could have nominations and take a vote.

  Can I throw in a vote for George Madison? 
    
  |X| Eau du Valvoline
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 19:41:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Tracey McCartney writes:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't
>all gay men programmed to speak of Madonna in hushed, reverent tones?
>: ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : )

Hmmm. If this is right, then Arne isn't gay.  I rather like
that thought.... ;-{)##]

 
() An artist is a creature driven by demons. He don't
() usually know why they chose him and he's usually too busy
() to wonder why.
()      -- William Faulkner
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:03:08 GMT

allemang@lia.di.epfl.ch (Dean Allemang) writes:
:(obligatory motss content - um, let's see, here it is - the Spartacus
:guide says that the Dutch men literally `ooze' masculinity - in FJ!!'s
:case, it doesn't ooze, it . . . 

becomes totally bewildered as it tries to get a grip on this boy.

:oh, maybe I had better not continue).
								FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:57:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.154934.7886@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>The problem is when it's messy from the weekend from two kids (like ours
>is).  By Friday night when I get home, a week's worth of clutter is layered
>on top and the kids are there again.  I'm not complaining, but I'm beginning
>to see the need for a part-time maid.  Has anybody got any insight on this?

Have you considered pot roast recipes?

I was about to suggest a cleaning service, but what you're describing seems
to be clutter, not dirt.  Still might work, if only because you'd be mortified
to have hired help see the house in the state it is, and you'd tidy up
yourself.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Seid umschlungen, Millionen.  Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt!
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:22:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan11.182214.8035
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C0p94w.G62@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>You're talking about _My Queer Body_, I guess.
>
>Nope.  The new show is not "My Queer Body" -- it's called "sex/love/stories,"
>as Jack said.

Duh.  Maybe I should try reading for a change...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:21:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48339
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1993Jan11.191639.9963@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

[about Mara]

>Yeah, but isn't the Cabal supposed to be queer-only? They may have to
>take away Ms. Chibnik's membership card and decoder ring.
>
>Yeah, yeah, I know:
>* there * are * no * decoder * rings *

There is no *Mara*

oops!  Logic (broken to be sure, but logic just the same) forces me to say:

There is no cabal
There is no Mara

We have never seen the nonexistent cabal and the nonexistent Mara in 
the same place at the same time.  Hence, Mara *is* the cabal!

But wait!  A cabal is comprised of more than one.  Thus, Mara is more than
one person! 

Wow!  This could go on and on!

Maybe there was a flaw with that original assumption?

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

From: jprigeon@hpscit.sc.hp.com (John Prigeon)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:02:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: soc.motss

doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:
 
>My opinion - for what it's worth:

>Most guys in the US run 5-7".  So I'd give 'e' to 7-8", e+ to 8-9",
>and e++ to anything bigger.  I'd also give an extra "+" for thickness.
>I've only run into a few borderline e+/e++ guys, and one bona-fide
>e++.  

So Doug, what is your -uh- sample size for these statistics?  Can we
infer from this that you are a s++?  :)

jap, one of the 'most guys in the US', and happy with it.

PS A friend once told me that it's not the size of the boat, but the 
motion in the ocean!  

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb)
Subject: Re: Flits in the Rye
Reply-To: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:03:18 GMT

In article 301292141351@mcmelmon.apple.com, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> 
> And where do those damn ducks go in winter?
> 
> *X*



OH NO Not the Duck Cabal again!!!!

The Ducks are taking over the world......AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:47:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.211716.13256@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:

>The anniversary of Stonewall has very little importance in my life.  It
>is, to me, an American event, something that happened in a foreign country.
>Yes, the social effects and implications have crossed borders, but an
>event much more relevent to me is the repeal of the anti-sodomy laws in
>Canada.

Really?  What were the events that led up to this repeal?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 09:01:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73149@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan8.065528.2074@leland.Stanford.EDU>

Scot N. Gibson writes:
[Quoting my comments about Arne]
>See, we even have the camp-impaired here.  And who says that soc.motss
>is not an equal opportunity newsgroup.

"Camp-impaired?" I think not. At least, I can tell the difference
between "camp" -- which can be rather acerbic -- and Arne's
indiscriminate, unrelenting nastiness.

 
() Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for
() solutions.
()      -- Edward R. Murrow
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Accents in _The Crying Game_ (still no spoilers)
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:54:54 GMT

dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:
>I didn't always understand the speech that well.  Maybe the theatres'
>acoustics were bad, maybe the film's sound quality is muffled, and
>maybe I just have trouble understanding British and Irish accents.
>If this could pose a problem to you, see it in a quality theatre
>or sit near the speakers.

I think Ulster accents do tend to pose a comprehension problem to
those unfamiliar with them.  They're unlike any other English-speaking
accents, except perhaps some Scottish ones.  (In the film, Fergus's
claims to be Scottish are accepted without hesitation by the English
people to whom he makes them; Irish or Scottish people would have
known better.)

I was amazed to realise that Miranda Richardson was not in fact from
Northern Ireland.  Her accent was absolutely spot on; I remember
noticing the very Ulster way she pronounced the word "threat".  I was
even more amazed when someone pointed out that this is the same person
who played Queen Elizabeth in Blackadder.

Motss-relevance: words, queens.

,
Eamonn
name no one man
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: mise en scene
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:49:34 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Tim Wilson (tim@ear-ache.mit.edu) writes
about Krispy Kreme:
 
> Angular, brick, chrome and glass donut shops, formica counters and
> plastic covered stools, a red and turquoise color scheme.  A rotating
> KK on top of each that flashes when the donuts are just made.

Hon, it may be that you've just demuffined, but it would
appear that you've had your queer card for some time now.

It *flashes*?  Fabulous.  Do people just drop what they're
doing and run to the KK when the sign flashes?  Do cars
stop in their tracks and drive back?  Ah, I can see all
the children running, shrieking, to the Krispy Kreme...  
[as the camera pulls back; cf. the final scene in _Les 
Parapluies de Cherbourg_ -- music swells and fades].

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:08:18 GMT

Arne, in a supurb rendition of MoonUnit writes:
> But did you have a choice, or were you there because
> your parents lived there?  I was a Valley Boy for
> the first 18 years of my life (Van Nuys/North Hollywood
> area), but I escaped at the earliest possible moment.
> It sounds like *X* chose to live there -- a sure sign
> of brain damage. 

  Oh I duno. I've always heard that braindamage usually comes
prenatally or soon there after. Once a valley boy, always a 
valley boy. Ya Na?

		Mike, who's not quite certain how this
		      applies to his own circumstance...
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 23:26:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan5.225714.22900@gordian.com>

Michael Thomas writes:
>Rod Williams writes:
>> Much more serious, in my estimation, was the decision to
>> change the date of the parade from the traditional 4th
>> Sunday in June (commemorating the Stonewall Riots) to the
>> 3rd Sunday, thereby coinciding with parades in Los Angeles
>> and other California venues.  But someone just told me
>> that the uproar over this was enough to force the committee
>> to change its mind again and revert to the 4th Sunday (June
>> 27, this year)...
>
>  Yeah, I read a letter to the editor in the BAR about some
>schmuck who whined something along the lines of:
>
>   "Well, LA has changed the date of their parade before,
>   why can't *they* change it again?"
>
>What a maroon. The only reason that LA moved theirs is
>so that SF might reciprocate. Talk about giving an inch
>and taking a mile. Somebody needs to educate this moron
>that the gay world does *not* revolve around SF, much
>as he might think it ought to.

*A*-men. Of course, we've had this argument here in .motss
before; but when CSW here in LA tried to simply open a 
discussion on the idea, they got little more than "FUCK OFF"
in response.  Whether you like the idea or not, the group 
that puts on the SF event could take a few lessons in
SIMPLE COURTESY.

I repeat: when you have two cities the size of SF and LA less than
400 miles apart, with the level of interaction that exists
between these two cities, a dialogue on issues such as this 
is eminently reasonable -- and putting such major events for
our community *purposely* in conflict with those of other 
cities because of spite and ego is *intolerable*.

 
() I would go so far as to suggest that, were it not for our
() ego and concern to be different, the African apes would
() be included in our family, the Hominidae.
()      -- Richard Leakey
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (Is: the empowerment of women)
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:34:10 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) answers Jess:

  >> So what's to be done?  All of us in natural cotton, no dyes,
  >> no design, no frou-frou, sensible shoes, dirty skin, no
  >> toothpastes, no hair conditioners, no (god forbid!)
  >> haircuts.  Not only: where does it all end, but also: where
  >> does it all start?
 >With us all living in grass huts?

No, only where you are.  This time of year, half of us are in igloos.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOW: reservations made!
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:19:43 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Cobra Woman:

>Can we grab a time for a soc.motss gathering, and name a place,
>or is it going to be too great a madhouse to manage?

I'm still looking for brave souls to join Brad and I for dinner at the
Red Sage, a DC eatery that specializes in EVERYTHING cooked with various
types of chilies.  The reservation will be for twelve, and only one soul
has expressed interest thus far.  Nine seats await your interest.
It will likely run around $40/person.  Serious enquiries should be 
emailed to me.  This will be for Friday, 23-Apr.

On the more casual front, we're also thinking of hosting a little 
reception in our hotel room.  Beyond that, a casual night out sounds
fun, too.  Ideas?  Ideas!
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: More thoughts on racism, etc.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:12:50 GMT

richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) asks:

   < some interesting questions about "racism", "fetishes", and
    "preferences" >: 

At some point, we have to consider that some areas of the USA had
legally institutionalized slavery of Africans for 300 years and
legally institutionalized racism against African-Americans until just
a few decades ago.  The US federal government interned Japanese-
Americans in "detention camps" during WWII.  Add to those the
continuing social reality of racism (by some whites against all
non-whites, by some blacks against whites and Hispanics, by some
Asians against blacks and Hispanics, by some X against Y).  One ends
up in a position where an all-things-being-equal standard is
inapplicable for comparing racially based preferences or fetishes to
age based, eye-color based, hairyness based, dick-sized based,
whatever based preferences or fetishes.  There's too much baggage
regarding the racial issue to equate it to the others.

I'm sure there are exceptional individuals who've reached some kind of
nirvana regarding race, and, of course, the above doesn't apply to
them.  I'm sure it's just their _preference_ when they say GWM seeks
same, not a multitude of factors that began before any of us were born.
For the rest of us, improving our attitude on race is like coming out:
there's ample opportunity to practice it every day.
--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Newsgroups: soc.motss