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From: bmartin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Brian Martin)
Subject: Re: 4th Dimension Info Requested
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 11:06:14 GMT

In article <BtJDus.CEv@news.larc.nasa.gov> wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene) writes:
>Is anyone using 4th Dimension in a multiuser environment?  Any information on 
>4D would be highly appreciated, but I am specifically looking for info on the 
>limitations of such a set up.  Such as how many connections can be made to a 
>single database file, how does mutiple connections or large datasets degrade 
>performance, or any other info that could be useful if considering to use 4D.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Will

We have several large-scale 4D databases in operation. They required
extensive tuning to minimize network traffic, and run quite well
with 25 users logged into the database, and at least five simultaneously
doing heads-down data entry. Our server is a Quadra 700 with high-speed
Fujitsu drives; we are running a 10BASE-T ethernet network. Clients range
from Mac II to IIci. Our tests with the 4D Server show that our
databases running under 4D Server perform as well as a Sybase server running
on an HP9000, with a 4D client connected via 4D SQL/Server over TCP/IP.

One of our datafiles has over 1,000,000 records, yet indexed lookups
take about a second over the ethernet network.

The development of this kind of system requires the services of a professional
4D developer, a person who has proven experience implementing successful
multi-user databases, and a solid grounding in the theory of operation
of relational database management systems.

Best regards,

    Brian K. Martin, M.D.
    Martin Information Systems, Ltd.
    1103 9th Avenue, Suite 203
    Honolulu, Hawai`i 96816-2403 USA
    Voice (808) 733-2003
    Fax (808) 733-2011

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From: bmartin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Brian Martin)
Subject: Re: 4D Server
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.103452.5791@nntp.hut.fi> t36269v@saha.hut.fi (Sami Hero) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>Just saw the new 4D v3.0 and server and spoke to people at ACI and as far
>as I am considered I haven't been so impressed for ages. 
>
>4D server and 4D Workstation should ship in US 15th september and in Europe
>2-4 weeks later (according to ACI).

Don't expect 4D Server to ship any earlier than October 15th.
Also, it will be released in Europe and in the US on the same day.

Best regards,

    Brian K. Martin, M.D.
    Martin Information Systems, Ltd.
    1103 9th Avenue, Suite 203
    Honolulu, Hawai`i 96816-2403 USA
    Voice (808) 733-2003
    Fax (808) 733-2011

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From: craigh@cserver.plexus.com (Craig Heilman)
Subject: Dimensions / 4D books???
Organization: Plexus Corp. -- Neenah Wisconsin
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:18:16 GMT

Has anyone subscribed to or used "Dimensions - The Journal of the
4th Dimension Environment" quarterly (Blackledge Publishing) or the
"Programming with 4th Dimension" books by Mark Yelich?  Are they
worthwhile (at $69 a year for the journal & $54.95 for the two volumes)?
What about the source code 3-disk set ($49.95)?  Any opinions welcome.

Thanks,
	Craig
--
*                           * "I just found out that the brain is like a   *
* Craig A. Heilman          * computer.  If that's true, then there really *
* craigh@cserver.plexus.com * aren't any stupid people.  Just people       *
*                           * running DOS." - VH1's Stand Up Spotlight     *
From: pamiri@uci.edu (Peter Amiri)
Subject: recursion in 4D
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:35:36 GMT

Does anyone know of the limitations of recursive procedure calls in 4D? is 
there any? I am programming a MLM, where a distributor sponsurs another 
distributor and so on and so on... When it comes to doing the calculations
and/or printing of reports it would be nice to write a resursive procedure
that steps down the tree and either calculates totals or prints the records.
At most I will have to go six levels deep. Has anyone done this in 4D?

On a similar note, when doing the report for the above, I would like to 
combine different layouts on the same report which should be pretty
easy to do with PRINT LAYOUT. I am unsure as to how to trap for the header 
and footer though. When do the in Header and in Footer flags get set. I imagin
I would start with somthing like this:

print layout ([anyfile];"Header")
..
`for each record
print layout ([anyfile];"body") 
..
print layout ([anyfile];"footer")
form feed


This above procedure will print a header on the first page and a footer on 
the last page but nothing other than data lines on the rest of the pages. 
How can I trap for headers and footers on the other pages?

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Peter Amiri
University of Califronia, Irvine
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: mcintosh@ee.umn.edu (rsch Jason McIntosh)
Subject: 4D External help! (Please)
Keywords: 4D, externals, help, nCalendar 
Organization: Electrical Engineering, U of MN, Mpls.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:49:18 GMT

Has anybody used the ftp-able external 'nCalendar'?  I want to use it in
a database, but strange things are happening.  I am doing the
programming on a IIsi, and everything (seems to) work fine.  When I
transfer the database to the SE that it will be used on, it crashes the
entire system on launch.  I installed it in the structure file, and got
an "address error" error message.  I tried it in a proc.ext file, and
got a "bad F-line instruction" or something similar.

I am using 4D v2.2.3 and nCalendar installer v1.0b1.  I tried calling
the number given for Nice Consultants, but it has been disconnected.  If
anyone can help fix this problem, or get me in touch with Frank Nichols,
the documented author, I would be e(x)ternally grateful.

Jason McIntosh
mcintosh@ee.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: Email and database question from an amatuer
From: bobjen@darwin.ntu.edu.au (Bob Jenner)
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:28:17 +0900
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.databases
Distribution: world
Organization: NTU

In article <Brennan.J.Murphy.53-140992105019@129.74.199.151>,
Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu (Brennan Murphy) wrote:
> 
> Please tell me either how to set up a Eudora like application that would
> allow me to compile a large list of email addresses and then send out a
> mass mailing to them all at once.  I want to be able to add addresses to
> the list with ease.  I am familiar with making a nickname to represent all
> of the addresses but I need database capabilities also in the program for
> easy changes.  In short, I would like the best program to construct a large
> mailing list of email addresses.  Maybe you could send me the address of
> the guy who designed Eudora?  Any help or sense of direction would be
> appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Brennan

Brennan, interesting that you should ask that question just now. There has
been a similar thread in comp.sys.mac.comm. If you are using Eudora and a
Unix host, you can use the Ph facility of Eudora to do *exactly* what you
want. Do you have the Eudora Q&A stack? If not, I suggest you get it. Steve
Dorner is the author, If you have Eudora, you have his address. Also I
believe there is a list server dealing with Eudora isuues. Hope this helps.
Cheers
Bob Jenner
Northern Territory University
Darwin, Australia
From: bbs@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Bonnie Bishop Stark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Info on Grant Master for Filemaker II Pro
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:37:12 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego Chemistry
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bbs@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Bonnie Bishop Stark)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu


I am interested in getting information from anyone who has tested the
new Filemaker-based, Grant Master. What are your complaints/praises? Is
it easy to manipulate it fit your specific budget/form needs? Any
significant bugs? Is it worth a try?

Please respond by e-mail since I don't follow this news group very
often. Thanks a lot.

Bonnie Bishop Stark
From: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: anybody used or got info on Butler ?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:13:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


anybody who has used or has info (such as reviews or articles or comments)
about butler, please provide me some info.

please email responses if possible.

thanks
jerry

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: bmartin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Brian Martin)
Subject: Re: 4D Server
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.151348.7462@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes:
>t36269v@saha.hut.fi (Sami Hero) writes:
>
> ... I would expect to shell out at least $2000-$3000 for such an
>implimentation. But from what I have seen, it is well worth it,
>especially if you already use 4D in an multi-user environment of more
>than 4 users.

The price range I've heard is from $300 to $500 per concurrent user. For
a 50 user database, you would probably purchase no more than a
25 concurrent user license, for somewhere in the neighborhood of $7500.

Best regards,

    Brian K. Martin, M.D.
    Martin Information Systems, Ltd.
    1103 9th Avenue, Suite 203
    Honolulu, Hawai`i 96816-2403 USA
    Voice (808) 733-2003
    Fax (808) 733-2011

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From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: Panorama Info Wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:19:07 PDT

In article <1992Sep11.185430.25855@mail.cornell.edu>, on 11 Sep 1992 18:54:30 GMT,
John T. Chapman <jtc1@cornell.edu> writes:

>
>Well, I can't seem to find my previous posting, so it may be that my news
>server died...
>
>Anyway, I am interested on any opinions on Panorama II. I am especially
>interested in the scripting and lookup features.
>
>Has anyone had experience with this? What problems have you encountered?
>How does Panorama II compare to FileMaker Pro? (FileMaker Pro 2.0, if
>you've seen it...) Key areas are power of macros and scripts,
>pseudo-relational capabilities through lookups, ease of use - especially
>with layout design, multi-user database functionality, and company
>tech/customer support.
>
>Thanks, 
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>  Office of Computing and Statistical Consulting
>  Cornell University - College of Human Ecology
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
Panorama II has a very good macro language and it is very powerful.
It is the fastest flat-file database package available.
The lookup function is quite handy, and it does a pretty good job
of giving P2 relational capabilities.  Of course, it is not a
true relational database, so don't expect too much. :-)

The one thing that Filemaker Pro has over P2 is a better interface.
However, if you're going to be creating custom databases, you can
control what the interface will be using buttons (including icons),
pull-down menus and more.

Filemaker is probably a little easier to use and it is more powerful
in the layout design.  However, P2 layouts are also pretty easy to
design.

P2 does support multi-user databases, although I've never used one.
Come to think of it, I haven't created one, either.  Technical support
from Provue is quite good.  Very nice people there.

Gann Matsuda
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From: sctsar@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (William Tsarones)
Subject:  OCR/Forms
Reply-To: sctsar@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (William Tsarones)
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:27:10 GMT

I need to find out if a Mac application exists that performs the following:

1.  Scans in a pre-existing form that has handwritten entries

2.  Separates the fields (optically) from the paper form and drops in the 
entries on a matching form already on the computer.

If anyone out there could help me with this, I'd be greatly appreciative. We're 
looking for a better way to do our timecards. The employees currently fill in 
their own timecards over a 2 week period, then all of that data is typed in again 
manually when the timecards are turned in. Not real efficient.

Thanks for any info concerning this.

Bill Tsarones
sctsar@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
From: mlbarrow@mit.edu (Michael L Barrow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: Filemaker Pro file sizes?
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:54:32 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.databases
Organization: MIT Information Systems/CSSC

Egads, you should be using FileMaker Pro 1.0 already! It's much better than
FileMaker II (which is unsupported, by the way). THe files can get a bit
large, but you can save compressed copies every once and a while. You also
can't compare FileMaker Pro to Panorama since Panorama is a RAM-resident
database. In other words, it's cool, but it has some serious limitations
that FM doesn't. Another reason why FM files are so big are from the
indexing. Panorama just doesnt index as much as FM (which is not a minus).

I suggest that you get away from FileMaker II as soon as possible and run
out and get FM Pro 2.0 as soon as it hits the stores. It looks _really_
cool.

-- mlb

 In article <1992Sep3.093407.545@lester.appstate.edu>, WHITESR@APPSTATE.EDU
(Steve White) wrote:
> 
> I am a registered Filemaker II user considering Claris' $89
> upgrade offer to Filemaker Pro II. Some years ago when I used
> Filemaker II some, it seemed that its document files were
> extraordinarily large compared with Panorama. Since my HD
> space is at a premium, it would be helpful to know if Claris
> has done anything about this with Filemaker Pro I or II?
> 
> Steve
> ========================================================================
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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: Exporting from Filemaker
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:42:46 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <mwojcik-080992152654@college23.sas.upenn.edu> mwojcik@pennsas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik) writes:

>I've run into this on a few of my machines. If you click on this pop up
>IMMEDIATELY after the dialog box opens, you should be able to get the other
>options. As a permanent fix, upgrade to 1.0v1 or 1.0v2 and grab a known
>good claris folder from another machine. It should then behave properly.

Or the current version, 1.0v3...

Don't you just LOVE progress?

-Geoff, waiting for my 2.0 upgrade...
--
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Contributing Dartmouth Alumnus
From: pamiri@uci.edu (Peter Amiri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: PR Dimensional Software announces dbTimer for 4D
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:53:29 -0500
Organization: Dimensional Software
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

September 11, 1992
Aliso Viejo, California

Dimensional Software of Aliso Viejo, California today announced an external 
package for 4th Dimension the relational database development software from 
ACIUS Inc. of Cupertino, California. dbTimer allows a 4th Dimension global 
procedure to be placed into the background and set to run at a user specified 
time of day or interval of time. Multiple procedures can be placed into the 
background each configured to run at a different time or interval. Using this 
package users could be automatically logged off a database at certain times 
of day to allow database backups to be performed or procedures could be run 
that make connections to other mainframe computers at preset intervals to 
update the local or remote databases. This package could also be used to 
access laboratory equipment at certain intervals and gather data to be 
processed by the database.

The procedures placed into the background can perform any operation 
available through the 4th Dimension language and are only limited by the 
developers imagination. Dimensional Software also includes SimpleMail, a 
simple electronic mail program implemented using 4th Dimension and dbTimer. 
SimpleMail can be incorporated into existing 4th Dimension databases royalty 
free.

Pricing for dbTimer has been set as outlined below. Dimensional software will 
be offering an introductory price for dbTimer until November 15, 1992.

Catagory                                     Regular        Introductory
============================================================================
Single database license                     $ 25.00           $ 20.00
(allows installation of the dbTimer
package into one 4th imension database)

In-house or contract programmer license       75.00             60.00
(allows installation of the dbTimer
package into multiple databases)

Commercial Developer license                 225.00            180.00
(allows integration of dbTimer into a 
commercially available product)

Dimensional Software is dedicated to enhancing the tools available to the 4th 
Dimension developer community and is committed to announcing new tools to 
make 4th Dimension development as easy as possible. Look for future 
announcements about exciting new products which will revolutionize the way 
data is entered into a 4th Dimension database.

Dimensional Software                                     AppleLink: DIMSOFT
11 Headland Place                                   America Online: DIMSOFT
Aliso Viejo, California 92656	                          Compuserve: 72521,1263
Voice/Fax (714) 362-8293

Dimensional Software, dbTimer, and SimpleMail are trademarks of Dimensional 
Software. All other trade names referenced are the trademark or registered 
trademark of their respective holder.
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: Exporting from Filemaker
Keywords: Export, Menu, Filemaker Pro
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:54:17 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <hoyle.715810541@sfu.ca> hoyle@beaufort.sfu.ca (Michelle Hoyle) writes:

>Filemaker
>only allows me to select comma delimited text.  If you click on the
>menu box to choose a different type, nothing happens.  I consulted
>the manual, but I could not find any particular reason why

Only one idea. Do you have the appropriate XTND translators in a place
where Filemaker Pro can find them? (ie: in a "Translators" folder within a
"Claris" folder within the System Folder)

-Geoff
--
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From: Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal->> Apple Server early 93
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D60176E501433A@mac8.beardsley.swarthmore.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:55:34 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.134246.4610@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Mark Rosenberg,
21602MR@MSU writes:
>FYI --  The Wall Street Journal reported on tuesday, Sept 8, that
>Apple will release a server in early 1993!
>Jeez  Apple, better late than never EH??

Apple mentioned a Quadra-based Oracle server during the Apple/Oracle 
Client-Server that has been making the rounds.  They were in Phila. about 
two weeks ago.  At the time, it was mentioned that this would be a Quadra 
platform optimized for database operations and is scheduled for 
introduction in early 1993.  Probably the same one that the WSJ is 
talking about.
Newsgroups: usc.list.novell,comp.sys.novell
From: Julian Humphries <jmh3@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Novell Tape Backup Software
X-Xxdate: Mon, 7 Sep 92 18: 02:02 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jmh3@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:51:24 GMT

>
>>I am soon to implement a DAT tape backup system for a Novell 3.11 lan of
>>approx. 50 users and am looking for software recommendations/opinions.
>
>DAT will be dead within two to 3 years as a backup medium - Why not look
at 
>an industry-standatd EXABYTE tape drive....
> | / | Jon Biddell              Email: Jon.Biddell@unsw.EDU.AU      | \ |

Why will DAT be dead?  Exabyte is tied to a single manufacturer and
will continue to be very expensive.  DAT is 5-10 gigabytes for $1500. 
File
access in 30 seconds.  Why would it die?

Julian Humphries
Cornell University
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Novell Tape Backup Software
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:54:45 GMT

In article <Jon.Biddell.225.715844504@unsw.edu.au> Jon.Biddell@unsw.edu.au (Jon Biddell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep5.032039.15644@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> dazz@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr D.K. Woodman) writes:

>>I am soon to implement a DAT tape backup system for a Novell 3.11 lan of
>>approx. 50 users and am looking for software recommendations/opinions.

>DAT will be dead within two to 3 years as a backup medium - Why not look at 
>an industry-standatd EXABYTE tape drive....


This is an incredibly broad statement--what do you base this on? Considering
the cost of an Exabyte (which is no more "industry standard" than a DAT), 
some $5K plus monopoly repair costs, I can't see how DAT is going to 
be "dead" in a few years. I'm happy with our DAT (Legacy 2200d) and not
with our (early purchase) Exabyte. I can do something with the DAT; the
Exabyte has never been usable (kept having parity conflicts with the 
SCSI card, among other things).


-- 
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The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
    The most dangerous person in the world is Jessica Fletcher.
        Everywhere she goes, people die.