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From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:43:09 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis) writes:

>	Unless you have friends in Escondido, it shouldn't take long to
>decide to leave for San Francisco.  If you're driving, take I-5.  Then, you

*Why* do you think I'm going to Escondido??  Why do people seem to think
I don't know what I'm doing?  Yes, I have friends in Escondido.  (Hi Chris)

>can go at least 65 MPH for most of the trip.  After crawling through the
>brown stuff that is Los Angeles (don't actually expect to *see* anything from
>the freeway!), you will no doubt appreciate the higher speed limit.

No, I DO NOT DRIVE!!!  I gather this is sacrilige in that part of the
world.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:49:44 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>bld@cm.cf.ac.uk (B L Davies) wrote...
>>Iseult wrote...
>>|Still it is good to  know you two finally got introduced  all
>>|things considered.
>>|
>>
>>NO COMMENT!
>>
>>|Iseult - with a happy gossipy stirring smile on her face!
>>
>>Oh gawd... Ellen! What _have_ you been saying ????

><pained look> She tortured me terribly, I swear it!

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE.

However if you would like me to torture you, even just a little bit
I could certainly oblige.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm  - Feeling very toppish today.   All this forced
inactivity!

Iseult.




Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 08:20:25 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus


>In article <24156@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:>In article <24156@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>+ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:
>+
>+>I'll be in San Francisco August 6 through 10.
>+
>+Oh dear, that might be a bit early; I get to Escondido the 7th and I
>+dont' know how long it'll take me to actually make it to SF.


	Unless you have friends in Escondido, it shouldn't take long to
decide to leave for San Francisco.  If you're driving, take I-5.  Then, you
can go at least 65 MPH for most of the trip.  After crawling through the
brown stuff that is Los Angeles (don't actually expect to *see* anything from
the freeway!), you will no doubt appreciate the higher speed limit.
	Be careful around Coalinga, however.  Don't get caught doing 115 MPH
in this area :(  It gets boring at 3am, but that excuse didn't work.

Djelrik
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Reasons to be bi #3
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:15:26 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
>The Pear Tree Incident

Is this any relation to the "Hey Roosta I've Just Had This Really Hoopy Idea"
Incident?  With, perhaps, Don Hopkins as Zaphod Beeblebrox?  (Watch out,
Sherrianne, he's heading for Pittsburgh Real Soon Now - this man seriously
warps reality.  He'll drag you down into the depths of degardation, and worst
of all, *you'll enjoy it*...)

A friend of mine once said that I reminded him of Ford Prefect.  It was a year
before I even wondered whether he hadn't meant it as a compliment.  I decided
to take it as one anyway.

>    "*shit* ain't it good to be honest with yourself ...."

It's good to be honest with other people too, if you (generic you) can
manage it.

Dave, in an unusally side-tracked post.

--
        What would you say if I said that I'm not from Edinburgh after all,
	but from a small planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse?
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hetero/bi/homophobia (Was: Lesbian denial)
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:01:21 GMT

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>Agreed.

>>If you try and strictly define yourself into a rigid little
>>box, you're destined for trouble.  That's why I feel bi's have it more
>>together - accepting and acknowledging whatever feelings come along.

>Is it just me or does anybody else find this to be bisupremist?

I guess i your talking about sexuality, abybody who deals with their
sexualityf is going to have accepted and acknowledged whatever feelings come
along.  FFor bisexuals that is going to mean dealing with erotic
feelingsFor both genders.  Bisexual is just a label, and as such can
be abused and misapplied like any other labels.  It is not a magic
wand which bestows on the be-labelled an an open-minded happy
life.  We are no better or worse than others.  I certainly would not
claim tbe very together, I just stumble through, trying to enjoy
my life as much as possible.  

So I guess in answer to Ciarans question, I do find the above somewhat
supremacist.  I always think if you have time to stop and pat yourself
on the back, that it is just a sign of complacency, and
you should take some time and look around you.

Iseult - who asks for tolerance about typos telephone line is
incredibly noisy today.
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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:03:59 GMT
 <1992Jul28.155913.20965@watson.ibm.com>
 <1992Jul28.180107.20873@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> <Bs46F7.258@news.larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: University of Maine System

correction: from where i sut, anyway, femmes are NOT more priveleged
than butches.  butches are taken more seriously in debate, etc.

                                            -ailsa
--
It's not what you got, it's what you give           _______________
It ain't the life you want, it's the life you live. \    DYKE    /
It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: quinnb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Another newcomer...
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:21:49 GMT

In article <ggy6NB4w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca>, panda@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> Hi, everyone.  I just came along here, just discovered this group and 
> decided to say hello since I've been enjoying your postings, which I find 
> very *encouraging*.  Sometimes I feel like the only bisexual in the world 
> (despite all evidence to the contrary).  I've been pretty much living as a 
> heterosexual for long enough for it to bother me... talking helps.

Hi there... :-)
Welcome to soc.bi, the most wonderful place on the net :-)...

and here comes....
*HUGCUDDLESNUGGLEHUGKISSNUZZLELICK*

There are some wonderful people here... and now you're one of 'em...

welcome.
		-Brendan
-- 
******************************************************************************
* Disclaimer: The opinions *   Brendan E. Quinn KSC  * Questions are a burden* 
* expressed here are pure  *                         * to others, answers a  *
* Balderdash...            *          fnord?         * prison to oneself.    *
******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: cullen@tree.egr.uh.edu (Caleb Cullen)
Subject: Re: Rights or Privilege
Keywords: Wha?
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:50:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.110046.14179@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie  
(Ciaran McHale) writes:
>Sometimes terms like male-privilege or heterosexual-privilege are used.
>Whenever I hear the term heterosexual-privilege (especially if it is
>directed at me or bi-folk) it sounds very much like an accusation. This
>in turn can lead to defensive knee-jerk reactions which tend to hinder
>productive discussion.

Whenever *I* hear these terms my mind does a loop-de-loop as I wonder just  
what you _mean_ by "heterosexual privilege."  Do you mean the societal  
acceptance thing?  (Maybe I don't feel this way 'cause I've never been in  
that position.)  If you do, I don't think it's correct, at least, not  
*here*.  (Texas)

>It's the word "privilege" that does this. It seems to be that the phrase
>"(basic human) rights" would sometimes be more appropriate. For example,
>is heterosexual-privilege really a privilege that heterosexual have or
>it a basic right which queer folk are denied?

I suspect it is denied queers.  [Mostly because I don't think anyone is  
privilege by being "normal."]

>[Aside:
> Strangely, I don't feel the same knee-jerk reaction when the phrase
> male-privilege is used as when heterosexual-privilege is used. Yet still
> I think that it is not so much a privilege which men have, but rather a
> set of rights which are denied women.
>]

Male privilege is ... society's bias toward males because traditionally  
[if wrongly] they are credited with being smarter, stronger, etc.?

>Looking up a dictionary for a definition of privilege, it seems as if
>the two concepts of X-privilege and (non-X)-denied-rights are not too
>far apart. So maybe it is my vocabulary which is to blame rather than
>the actual terminology.

Perhaps so, but it makes us think about the issues backwards.  Instead of  
saying to ourselves: "We are queer; we are denied our rights," we say,  
"They are straight; they have privileges."  It's as if straights are  
getting some "reward" for their orientation, when looked at from that  
perspective[, and I don't think being straight is much of a reward :> heh  
heh heh].
Of course, the opposing viewpoint is more depressing.  It's a question of  
saying to ourselves "We are downtrodden," or "They are better."  ["better"  
being a loose translation of "privileged"]

>Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?

You had to ask...
					- C
-----
Caleb Cullen
cullen@tree.egr.uh.edu
I know I'm a silly person; you don't have to tell me specifically!
(Unless you feel strongly about it...)
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:10:38 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <24184@castle.ed.ac.uk> (soc.bi), sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
> 
> dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis) writes:
> 
> >	Unless you have friends in Escondido, it shouldn't take long to
> >decide to leave for San Francisco.  If you're driving, take I-5.  Then, you
> 
> *Why* do you think I'm going to Escondido??  Why do people seem to think
> I don't know what I'm doing?  Yes, I have friends in Escondido.  (Hi Chris)

Thank you.  I was rather feeling put upon there on behalf of my home
town. :-)  Ther is absolutely nothing wrong with Escondido if you don't
mind a red-neck town filled with narrow minds.  On the other had we did
have the only bisexual bar that I've ever heard of in San Diego County
(unfortunatly it was shut down due to excessive fights in the parking
lot.)  We also have a pagan bookstore and a X-rated bookstore both just
a few doors down from a Christen Science reading room.  Escondido must
qualify as the town of contradiction if only for that.
> 
> >can go at least 65 MPH for most of the trip.  After crawling through the
> >brown stuff that is Los Angeles (don't actually expect to *see* anything from
> >the freeway!), you will no doubt appreciate the higher speed limit.
> 
> No, I DO NOT DRIVE!!!  I gather this is sacrilige in that part of the
> world.

Sacrilige?  No, just a little weird. :-)  But what do you want from a
state that has almost no mass transit.  And does not seem to want any.
You will be happy to hear that SF is probable one of the only parts of
the state where people don't drive.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
From: kenj@kambo.corp.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: John's sex life
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:25:31 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>John Flanagan writes:
>>Though I dated a woman last Spring, I mostly go for men these
>>days.  At my last HIV test a few months ago, the counsellor asked me
>>how many men I had slept with in the preceeding 6 months.  Trying to
>>be conscientious, I thought real hard and recounted a couple of times
>>before settling on a number.  It turned out that I did not need to be
>>so careful -- he simply checked off "more than 10."  The question
>>about how many women I'd slept with was easy:  1.
>>
>>I also know others (hi, Ken, I know you're reading this).

>Tsk, tsk, tsk.....
>Yes, I just read this.  Just got back to U.S. last night.

>Now, what gave me away that I am primarily homosocial, huh?  8-)

>Oh.... was there another Ken that you were refering?  If that's the case,
>then *oops* excuse me.

Hm...  And here I thought John was referring to _me._  *pout*  So how
many Ken's have there been, John?

And "more than 10" men in the past 6 months?  Ooh.  I can think of 6
offhand.  Sounds as though life has been good to you since you've
moved to Hawaii.

BTW, it feels odd to banter on the newsgroup instead of the BISEXU-L
list.  Sorta like going on vacation and bumping into a good friend
from your home town.  soc.bi isn't my usual venue; it's easier to
skip articles here when I'm running short on time (like I have for
the past few weeks).  Whereas BISEXU-L, being a mailing list, is far
more intrusive and less easy to ignore.

- Ken
 __________ 
/\  _______\ =============================================================
\ \ \____  / Ken Jones    / I wrestle with an outlook on life
 \ \ \/ / / SGI          / That shifts between darkness and shadowy light
  \ \/ / / Mt. View, CA / I struggle with words for fear that they'll hear
   \  / / kenj@sgi.com / But Orpheus sleeps on his back
    \/_/              / Still dead to the world          - David Sylvian
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: bi(ish) book recommendation
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:10:15 GMT

 jhm@hourglas.UUCP (Jonathan Hulley-Miller) writes:
[bi list of books]


>Diane Duane	- Door into Fire
>		- Door into Shadow


Her _Door into Sunset_ is out in the UK... I've already sent a copy to Twila
and will post copies to Thom and Kateri (hi, Kateri) as soon as I've found
out whether _Door into Starlight_ is published yet (some time this week,
honest guv.)

Can anyone come up with a cunning plan to overcome the dollars-pounds conversion
problem? I'm quite happy to ship stuff to friends, but I can't cope with too
many requests for 3.99 pounds books plus postage... no job yet!

I read _The Man who Folded Himself_ as _The Man who Fondled_...


Tanaqui
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:31:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <92209.143200IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
+from what i know of chauvenistic straight men (too much)
+the reason bi wimmin are so interesting is the possibility
+of a threeesome.  doesn't every "hot-blooded stud" want
+to haev two women at once?

Or, for a completely different view, he doesn't have to worry so
much about having a dick to be satisfying... It must be late...
and there's 50 more to go...

I usually point out to my 'hot het stud friends' that in fact two
women engaging in sex is HOMOSEXUAL behavior. I usually stare at
them until they get the point (but then some never do...), or they
mumble 'well that's ok for women...'.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Subject: Articles Needed on ROTC vs Gays/Lesbians
Originator: pjb4288@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:40:20 GMT

Hi my name is Pete Boulay (personal post after this business one) and I'm a
member of the RIT Commission for Cultural Diversity.

We are in the process of setting up a day of panels and discussions based on
the issue of ROTC's refusal to enroll homosexuals, bisexuals and lesbians into
their college courses. Our college is going through a time where a decision
MUST be made about this.

In order to prepare I have been selected to solicit articles, papers, essays or
decisions from other U.S. schools regarding this issue.

If you have ANYTHING relevant that you'd be willing to donate to me to use in
this discussion, please follow these directions to get it to me:

1) If the item is 2 pages or less-send it email to pjb4288@ritvax.isc.rit.edu!
Realize that this differs from the address I'm posting here.

2) If the item is 3 pages or more-please mail it through the U.S. Post Office
to my home address:

Pete Boulay
17 Split Rock Road
Pittsford, NY 14534

The separation is to avoid clogging up my newsfeed and my account.

Any items received will be viewed by me and the Commission only. Personal
accounts/testimonys of ROTC refusal are more than welcome, and if you live
within a reasonable driving distance of Rochester, NY- maybe I can arrange
for you to speak if you'd be willing. It will be held on October 30th.

Again, I cannot emphasize how much this means to me as a coming-out-bisexual
to see a anti-ROTC resolution come out of this if they refuse to change their
policy.

Thank you very much.

Peter J. Boulay
Rochester Institute of Technology-Rochester, NY
-- 
Peter J. Boulay --17 Split Rock Road-Pittsford, NY 14534-The ToonAddict!
Email should be sent only to PJB4288@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Disclaimer: You don't like what I'm writing? Oh well.
"Well shut my mouth wide open!"- Tiny Toons HISMV
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:47:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.185750.14575@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>[soc.motss removed from Newsgroups:]
>
>dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) wrote...
>>It was that sentence that made me think that you had just come over here to
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>ask us all a loaded question.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>["here" means soc.bi]
>
>Surely we must be reading different versions of soc.bi given how often
>my name appears in soc.bi.

>All joking aside however.
>
>The bi's and marriage thread appeared in soc.bi and not soc.motss.  

I was sure the bi's and marriage thread ended up crossposted at times, too.
But again I went from memory.

>To take someone else's _quote_ and requote it out of the original 
>context in another newsgroup without their permission is dancing 
>on the edge of breach of netetiquette (but something that does happen).  
>But you didn't quote me, you incorrectly paraphased me, which does offend 
>me.

Well, at the time I admitted to going from memory, and as I later revealed
had mistaken you for a soc.motss'er.  Apologies on both accounts.

>  I felt forced to participate (however favorable that participation 
>was) in a newsgroup that I normally don't take part in.
>
>Ellen

Give me a moment, while I pull this foot out of my mouth.

The nice thing is, that although I'm stupid, I'm not set in my ways yet.  Lead
me.


Brad
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Lycra (and Gone and Forgotten :)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:03:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.180740.1603@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.004425.1590@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>
>> -- Porsupah, who agrees alt.lycra should be created herewith.
>
> Yup; there must be someone reading this with create privs?

Sure is.  You, for example.

>How easy is it to
>create a group, anyway; are the alt.config'ers easy to convince?

Why not ask them?  :-)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Drummers
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:40:10 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Jul22.190154.6446@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
> 
>  sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>>
>>How about a juggling pianist?
> 
> You've only got one & it looks awf'ly heavy.
> 
> Tanaqui

 Hmm. There's a guy who juggles bouncing from the top of drums, and plays tunes
that way; I don't think it'd be that difficult to convert to a suitably rigged
piano.. 

 -- Fenthe (pondering piano purchases)
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From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:29:58 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

I've had a bit more time to read Brad's post.

dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) wrote...
> The one [comment] I took most personally was
>Ellen Clary's (please correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm attributing
>from memory) 'maybe we'd take bisexuals more seriously if they didn't
                     ^^^^                                  ^^^^
>do things like get married'.  

Yee Gawds, I do believe I have been mistaken for a monosexual.

Here's what I said:

Ellen writes:
>I obviously can't speak for anyone else but me, but is it possible
>that some members of the lesgay community might perceive bi's a little 
>differently if bi's chose to not marry until it is ummmm, equally available?
>Wonder. Wonder. Wonder.

That's what I get for not using pronouns.  Damn.  All right maybe I should
have said something like "Is it possible that the GL community would
perceive us a little differently [the context was hetero priviledge]
if we chose not to marry until marriage was equally available?"

The above is something that I honestly think is _possibly_ true,
but entirely unproveable.  HOWEVER, having said this, I think a
valid question is 'Do we care what the GL community thinks?'
(Some of us will; some of us won't.)  Or should we continue on with
the attitude of: 'We're bi, we're queer, we come in every different size, 
shape, color, flavor, and orientation - get used to it.'

[Brad also writes]
>but I'm not queer.
>Not if queer means I'd give up marriage, 
Once again, note the lack of any mention that already married couples
should break up.

Ellen