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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: LAST COMMAND Predictions ( SPOILERS! )
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:34:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.dragon.720992056
Organization: Bradley University

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>This is certainly possible, but why would the Imperials go
>to all the trouble of cloning ysalimiri when they can just
>drop by Myrkr and pick them up by the hundred?  They seem to
>be endemic, and I doubt that the Empire would worry about
>the environmental impact removing a species would have ...

Perhaps the Empire is using them to be certain that Luke wouldn't
accidentally stumble across the Mount Tantiss operation by sensing the
large numbers of clones (who, if memory serves, have a very peculiar
sensation through the Force).

>This begs the question - _how_ do ysalimiri push back the
>Force?  Equal and opposite reactions, and all that.  They
>may have perfected a way of using their Force abilities to
>cloak them.

Perhaps they don't "push back" the Force... it's possible that they
merely use the Force to supress all other uses of the Force--in
effect, creating an area in which use of the Force by other creatures
is impossible.

>Possible, although why such a trait would have evolved (if
>it did evolve) in the ysalimiri is perhaps more problematic.
>No, I think the bubble is there for good, once it is
>established.  Now, what if Thrawn had more than one reason
>for wearing an ysalimiri around Joruus C'Baoth?  He was able
>to control Mara's actions to an extent when they met ....

...and as soon as Mara entered the Force-bubble of the ysalamir she
had in her ship, the effects went away.  That *would* make sense...
Thrawn would *definitely* not want to be in any way controlled by a
Dark Jedi (or for that matter, controlled at all).
--
*** Matt Korth *** dragon@camelot.bradley.edu *** dragon@buhub.bradley.edu ***
	"I'll just go tell them to 'fornicate off.'"
				--Black Adder
From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Zahn Novels
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:38:08 GMT
 <1992Nov11.211506.4008@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov11.211506.4008@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
says:
>
>In article <1d4qk9INNla7@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne
>Martin) writes:
>>
>>       To whoever asked for them the Zahn novels are:
>>
>>         HEIR TO THE EMPIRE (published in 1991 (hardcover), '92 (paperback))
>>
>>       DARK FORCE RISING  (published in 1992 (hardcover))
>>
>>       THE LAST COMMAND   (to be published in May 1993)
>
>        This one has been to long in coming out.  I wanna read it NOW!!!
>I am not what you'd call a patient person.  :)
>I have two friends dedicated to buying this book, who are less patient than I.
>If it doesn't come out pretty F***ing soon, they're gonna stop looking.  Zahn
>is actually LOSING readership by waiting off so long.  I STUMBLED on the
>second
>book after searching for a year.  He's lucky I am so persistent.  at any rate:
>
>        BITCH BITCH BITCH  MOAN MOAN MOAN  GRIPE GRIPE GRIPE

 In the words of George Carlin:
   Calm down.  Have some dip.
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.humor,rec.humor.d
Subject: Re: The intact Lando-gets-killed-scene (was: Re: The Lando Scene in...JIVE AND VALLEY GIRL?????????????)
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:46:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Bx97LA.AH6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>Jem.Lewis@launchpad.unc.edu (Jem Lewis) writes:
>>Hey, did anyone get the feeling that ol' Skeptical himself ('Ancient
>>weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster at your side,
>>kid.')
>>ain't so bad with the Force himself?  He 'felt' Lando die, right?  Why not
>>through the force?  And for those naysayers who want to know why Yoda
>>didn't mention him as 'another hope', would you want to train Han in the
>>force? 'Long have I watched this one.  Reckless is he.  Longing after
>>wealth, yes, wealth and women.  A jedi seeks not these things.' :^)  It
>>might explain some of his success as a smuggler and his rise in the
>>rebellion, and his piloting skills.  And why Leia and Luke are so
>>attracted to him.
>
>>I don't know, just a thoght.
>
>Well, the Force flows through all of us, so even Han uses the Force,
>albiet unconsciously.  I'd stop short of saying that Han has any actual
>Force powers, though.  However, note the scene in ROTJ in which a
>sightless Han manages to shoot the Sarlacc's tentacle with his blaster.
>It looks as if the normally skeptical Han is consciously trusting to
>the Force for the very first time, just as Luke did in the Battle of
>Yavin.

Hmmm... doesn't Han say something like "My sight's starting to come
back." (after Lando says "Wait, I thought you were blind!")  Unless,
of course, he was just saying that for Lando's sake (since Lando
did have to tell him to aim higher).  Just another thought.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE: Lucas vs Zahn
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:06:56 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov10.093818.2652@bvc.edu>, meierdalepau@bvc.edu says:
>
>        You mentioned something about visualizing a Bothan.  The Heir to
>the Empire sourcebook for Star Wars:  The Roleplaying Game has a picture of
>Fey'lya.  If you can't find a copy, just picture a semi-old human with a
>lion's mane.
>
>Dale Meier

   ...Here's something I've been wondering about since that sourcebook came
out : are all those pictures OK as far as Zahn is concerned? In other words,
did he have any input as to what the creatures should look like,
based on their descriptions in the books, or did someone else come up with
the drawings without touching base with Zahn? The reason I'm asking is that
several of the drawings did not quite seem to fit with my recollection
of the descriptions in the books. One example was the Noghri; I thought
they should have looked differently.
     I'm probably just misremembering, but did anybody else
 have the same feeling???


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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Mac, the Lightsaber (ZZZTT)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:12:57 GMT

redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  writes:
> In <1defhuINN1d4@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
> 
> >>>>       Oh yes. Y'all have heard that Lucas tentatively signed Macaulay Culkin
> >>>>to play young Luke, haven't you?
> >>>>       No? Oh dear.
> >>>
> >>>        AAAARGH! SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!!!
> >>>
> >> It IS so.
> >>             ACK!
> 
> Yes, I'd heard that. I aslso heard that they were negotiating with
> Christina Ricci (who played Wednesday in the _Addams Family movie) to play
> Leia.
> 
> Fine rumours, those. :)
> 
> -- 
>   "They've shut down the main reactor"   /  ^  \  Vian Lawson. 
>   "Oh no!  That means we'll have to     |  \ /  | Otherwise known as  
>   react on our own ..."                  \_____/ redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

At least Christina Ricci can lay some legitimate claim to the
title "actress."  But Macaulay Culkin -- if he turns out in
later years to be a good actor, I'll eat this terminal.

This terminal has never been safer from being eaten than it is
now, or than it will be in later years.

Steve
--
Roses are red, 
Violets are blue.
I'm a schizophrenic
And so am I.
From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Next Swars movieskip
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:06:15 GMT
 <1c4el6INNkmi@gap.caltech.edu><1992Oct26.124823.3870@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> 
 <Bwr0sy.D7M@nic.umass.edu><1992Nov6.142910.3953@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov6.142910.3953@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
says:
>
>>>> No way.  Those books are garbage and don't even fit into the Star Wars
>>>> universe.  They should be burned, not immortalized on film.
>>
>> Thank you for your opinion, Hitler.

  Hitler was probably a truer SW fan than whoever originally posted that.
From: szemkusmarkw@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Mara as Fett (OH NO)
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:56:24 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <Bx5pnI.D1z@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
> jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN) writes:
> 
> 
>>   Perhaps Mara is Luke's sibling !!! 
> 
>>   After all, suppose the Emperor took some of Vader's genetic
>>material and had it cultivated, probably using some imperial lackey
>>as the mother, but then not training Mara in the art of the force. 
>>   This would give him the best of Vader's abilities, but without
>>the inherent disloyalty in Vader. 
> 
> Not to sound overly pessimistic, but I doubt that Zahn has any more
> surprises in store for us concerning Mara's past.  If he did, he'd
> have hinted at them by now.
> 
> Now, if I'D been commissioned to write the trilogy, I'd have made
> Mara the Emperor's daughter.  Ridiculous?  Think about it: you'd
> have a kid with a powerful tendency for the Force and a built-in
> loyalty for the Emperor.####  It would also help explain why Mara is
> so upset with Luke for the Emperor's death.######
> 
> At some dramatically appropriate moment in the third book (say, with
> Mara about to kill Luke), Luke would reveal to Mara that Darth Vader
> was his father, and he'd also tell her the true story of the Emperor's
> death.  (The spirit of Annakin might even make an appearance to lend
> credence to Luke's story.)  Realizing that the Emperor's death was not
> Luke's fault at all, and realizing that she and Luke have a lot in
> common (their fathers were both servants of the Dark Side and they
> killed each other), Mara softens her attitude toward Luke and the
> two of them live happily ever after.
> 
>                                 --Steve Stelter
>                                   sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Actually, the way I remember it is that Mara was angry at Luke for killing 
Jabba.  I think.

	mark
From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lightsabers, their weight, and all that jazz.
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:44:40 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Oct28.171530.25612@cs.mun.ca> craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin) writes:
>wildcard@nevada.edu ( WildCard !!) writes:
>> Think of what happens when a student gets cocky with his own
>> skill and lets go of one hand, then accidentally drops it?
>> Especially on a spaceship where holes in the hull are not
>> appreciated...
>
>This brings up an interesting theoretical aspect:  What happens if you
>drop a lightsaber, point downward?

Take a look at the figure of Darth Vader which comes with the RPG Miniatures
set "A New Hope".  (Even if you don't have the RPG, the figures are worth
collecting.)  For some reason, this version of Darth Vader has one hand
outstretched, more reminiscent of the scene from TESB where he asks Luke
to join him.  Meanwhile (in the figure), he forgets what his right hand is
holding, and the light-sabre blade goes into the base of the figure.

-- 
 "Keyboard?  How quaint!" - M. Scott

 Adrian Hurt			     |	JANET:  adrian@uk.ac.hw.cee
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:55:59 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

pn88384@cs.tut.fi (Petri Nurminen) writes:

>In article <1dso9vINNer@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:

>> Why not wear a bullet-proof vest?

>Ever seen someone wearing a bullet-proof vest being shot with a machine gun?
>ven if you have a bullet-proof vest you get the impact and if you are being
>shot at with a machine gun, there is a very good chance that the bullets
>hit you in a place there isn't vest - like hands, legs and head.
>With lightsaber you can change the direction of the impact and reflect
>also hits that are aimed towards your limbs.
>If I had to choose whether I'd take a vest or lightsaber (and of course
>the skill to use it) I'd take the saber ;)

Well, the lightsaber has to absorb the impact as well.  I mean, I assume
that the blaster bolts have a certain amount of momentum, because people
fall back when hit.  Of course, they may just be reacting to the pain or
something.  But if you were firing a machine gun at a Jedi, I doubt he'd
be able to stop all the bullets.  Even if he did, he'd have to withstand
the force of impact.

Besides, the vest is not the only type of armor.  Armor will protect against
more than one projectile at a time, and will deflect solid objects.

keith
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: X-Wing simulator
Keywords: x-wing simulator
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:39:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov8.223937.27448
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)

In article <1992Nov6.200559.7907@cs.cornell.edu> glazer@cs.cornell.edu (Scott Glazer) writes:
>More information -- You don't play Luke or anything; you're just some
>rebel guy, who occassionally hears things about Luke and the gang.
>You can pilot X-wings, Y-wings, and one other type I don't recall.  It
>should be out fairly soon, I'd guess.

  As far as the demo slideshow shows (wuarchive.wustl.edu:  /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/
  demos:  xwngsld.zip [or something like that]), the other type is an A-wing.

  Looking good...  Here's hoping.
-- 
 --------------------------------- Iain Odlin ---------------------------------
                  10 Crosby Street, Level 3, Portland ME 04103
                                 odlin@reed.edu
 ----------- "I poured spot remover on my dog and now he's gone..." -----------
From: trombley-sarah@yale.edu (Sarah Trombley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: It *WAS* Ratzenberger
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:50:23 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <BxBHnp.6vE@nic.umass.edu> HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN) writes:

[lots of continuity stuff deleted]

>( BTW, when does one spell "Emperial" with an "I" as opposed to an "E"?)

Always.  Please.

 troops,
>R2 bleeps something to 3PO, and 3PO responds, "Secret mission? What secret mis-
>sion? What plans? What are you talking about?!?" This tells me that 3PO never 
>knew of R2's plans to find Obi-wan. So my question is, why didn't C-3PO tell
>Luke who Leia was when Luke discovered R2-D2's secret message toward the begin-
>ning of ANH?
>
>	Anyone,anyone...Bueller,Bueller,...
>
>				-"There will be no one to stop us this time!"
>


-- 
Sarah Trombley                                       trombley-sarah@yale.edu
"I try to know what I need to know.  I make sure to know what I want to know."
							
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:46:18 EST
From: Jim <JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: STAR WARS vs, vs the evilness in nazism
 <92315.211205C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu>

In article <92315.211205C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu>, C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu
says:
>
>On the allegorical nature of BG, Trek, Star Wars, et cetera...
>(specifically on Obi-Wan Kenobi as a Christ figure)
>
>Just because Kenobi is a sacrificial hero doesn't necessarily mean he's a
>  Christ figure.  You could just as easily call him by any other name...
>
>  say that Kenobi is kin to every one of those figures, not just Christ.
>
>Besides, the idea of the Force as "an energy field created by all life", or
>  some such, is a somewhat more holistic approach to religion than
>Christianity
>
>
>Tom Stoodley

Whoa!  I never said it _was_ a Christ allegory, in fact I just used that
as an example that it didn't _have_ to be an allegory to WWII...
The point was that it is literature (well... yeah, movies count) and, as such,
can give as many meanings as it has readers (er, viewers).  Certainly
it it can be anything... to my father, trying to teach an 8-year-old boy
a lesson on Christianity, it was a Christ allegory.

-- Jim Durrell
   JXD132 @ PSUVM.PSU.EDU
From: dl91@ecs.soton.ac.uk (D Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Misc
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:00:41 GMT

O.k. Lets rock.

1) Mara Jade was actually one of the Emperors top assassins. She had a
training in the Force from his-nibs and is after Luke more for
vengeance for the Emperors death than for her own reasons.

2) I'm taking bets on whether Mara and Luke get 'down to it' in the
next book i.e. Star Wars IX (Sequel to Dark Force Rising)

3) The standard TIE\in fighter remained the same for a few reasons:

   When you're building a new Death Star and a fleet of Super-class
   Star Destroyers cash isn't easy to come by
   
   The TIE Inteceptor was built as a direct result of the Battle of
   Yavin as a response to the X-wing fighter. The Alliance built the
   A-wing as a response to the Inteceptor, but that's another story.

   Could a flight of X-wings really beat a flight of Inteceptors? 
   I don't think so. The X-wing is good, but not that good. (Wedge
   Antilles might have something to say about that!)

Dave Lewis
dl91@uk.ac.soton.ecs
From: mmccartn@cs.utexas.edu (Michael David McCartney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: new thots on ENDOR
Date: 8 Nov 1992 04:09:02 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov7.224701.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:
>Here's something else to speculate: What if Endor wasn't a name at all? 
>What if it was just a word in some alien tongue that doesn't translate 
>properly into any Earthly language? Let's take an Earthbound example: 
>I'm sure you've all heard of "The City of Love". Now just what does this 
>refer to? The city isn't called Love, the country it's in isn't called 
>Love, the continent isn't called Love, heck, even the PLANET isn't 
>called Love! Yet pretty much everyone realizes that the city in question 
>is none other than Paris, France. Endor may be a similar idea. Mata ne.

Who in the galaxy would promote the phrase "forest moon of endor" to the
point that it was a household term and everyone knew exactly what planet
you were talking about?

in order for everyone to understand the implicit meaning behind a phrase 
like "the city of love", many cultures must come in contact with people 
from this place enough so that the term is common and widely understood.

the only intelligent life we've seen from this planet (indigenous) were 
the Ewoks and they could hardly master a speeder bike, let alone have 
contacts with the rest of the worlds to the point that everyone knew 
their homeland as Endor and knew exactly what it meant.  (i realize there
was that giant in The Ewok Adventure but he was even more primitive.)

i'm afraid i'm still convinced that Endor is the name of the planet around
which only one forested moon revolves.

my two cents (if it's worth that much!)
mike
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: STAR WARS MUSIC
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:05:29 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Nov11.003400.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:
> In article <168959EA2.SCJED@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU>, SCJED@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU writes:
> 
>> The music that you are refering to _is_ on the album version of the soundtrack.
>> I was disappointed to find that several of my favorite scores from the TESB
>> soundtrack (_Hyperspace_ and _The Departure of Boba Fett_) aren't on the CD
>> version but are on the orginal album and tape versions.
>> Does anyone have an idea of why they were not transfered to CD as well?
> 
> Isn't the CD version of the soundtrack only 45 minutes? The fact that 
> the original soundtrack on LP is somewhere around 90 minutes may have 
> something to do with it. Mata ne.
> 

Classic "Damned-If-You-Do/Damned-If-You-Don't" Department:

The STAR WARS soundtrack was released as a double CD.  The fact of the matter,
however, is that the entire album is only about 3 MINUTES too long to fit on a 
single disc!  Go ahead -- feel annoyed that you're paying twice as much for
what could almost have been a single-disc release.  BUT --

Then, look at the alternative:  Cut some tracks and fit it on one disc, like
they did for the ESB soundtrack.  That's the breaks.

(Personally, I'd rather take option #1.  It's only money.)
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Jabba the Hut
Date: 14 Nov 1992 03:42:07 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

bl376@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel I. Greenberg) writes:


>What exactly is Jabba?

A Hutt.

>How did he walk/get around when he was little.

He was never little.  Or, he slithered.

>Also, I never understood why Luke could not use the Force on Jabba?
>Was he too Fat?!

No, he was too smart.  Tje Jedi mind trick apparently only works on those
weak of will.

>Was there any seen in ROTJ where Zahn might have gotten the idea for Mara
>from?

Mara?  Who's that?  (I didn't read past the first few chapters of the
Zahn books.)  However, given what I have read, I'd be really surprised
if Zahn actually came up with something creative on his own.

keith