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From: kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: are there still prejudices?
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:50:29 GMT
Reply-To: kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan)
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian.american
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna) writes:

>>>>
i'm sorry.  unfortunately, i'm not sure what you're getting at :(

what i THINK you're getting at is that this "prejudice" is just a form of  
"sub-culture" that extends over various parts of india.  if this is true, then 
there's not a whole lot that can be done about it (aside from waitting).   
however, what CAN be done is through education (yes...i am a believer that  
things CAN change FOR THE BETTER!).  i guess what i'm trying to address is more 
of the ROOTS of prejudices.  
>>>>

Sorry about the confusion. Let me try once more.  I myself 
confused a lot of issues like these in my own mind. 
However,  it seems to get clearer as I get older (Hope
so at least!).

There seem to be some very subtle distinctions between
"prejudices" and "group activity". That's what I was trying to
get at. Let's say you know a group of people who like
Gujarati plays (Tendulkar is once Gujarati playwright who's
very famous??), Gujarati food and in general Gujarati cultural
events. I don't see anything wrong with these people
getting together and enjoying their common interests.
I don't see how this is any different from those interested
in skiing getting together and planning a trip to Colorado.

Prejudices on the other hand arise if these same group of
people think that somebody else is somehow "lower"
according to their standards and refuse to interact with anybodyelse
based on these prejudices. And continue to do rude things
in their presence like speak in a language they can't understand.

I'm completely with you on  addressing roots of prejudices
and getting them out. All I'm being is just a devil's 
advocate and point out that  "group activity" may not
be a clear indication of a prejudiced person. Also, I hope
you're not saying that education would somehow get rid
of the sub-cultures that exist in India.  It's the prejudice
part that needs to be taken care of, not the sub-culture.

Does any of this make sense now? Please keep up the
discussion so that something interesting is on this
newsgroup other than silly private flame wars.

Nari

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: Re: who can be president? (was Re: Why is SCIA ...)
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:45:31 GMT

alok.vijayvargia writes
> In article <1992Apr16.160727.26730@menudo.uh.edu>, murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu  
(purna) writes:
> > trina writes
> > > Sridhar Venkataraman writes:
> > > 
> > > >One quick question: Can a non-US born person stand for Vice-President.
> > > 
> > > No. Must be an US born, US citizen.....
> > 
> > now, this brings up an INTERESTING point.  namely, if you look at the line  
of  
> > "succession" for the presidency (in case of deaths, assassinations, etc.)  
it  
> > starts as : President (obvious)
> > 	    Vice-President (also fairly obvious)
> >             SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!
> > 
> > you may wonder why this is so.  well, first look at this little tidbit:
> > the vice-president is considered the speaker of the SENATE!
> > 
> > knowing all of this, here's my question.  if i get elected to be a  
congressman  
> > (god forbid!) and our "party" gets into the majority AND i become speaker  
of  
> > the house AND the president and vice-pres die, can i become president????!!
> > 
> > i am a non-US-born US-citizen.  any political scientists/buffs out thee  
know  
> > the policy?
> > 
> > peace,
> > -purna
> 
> As far as I know:
> 
> Answer is No, speaker of the house (you) will call an emergency session of 
> congress to elect an acting president within 48 hours.
> 
> There are certain criteria to choose an acting president. 
> This person will act as president until the term expires.
> 
> Alok

then what you are saying is that i CAN be a president (albeit temporarily) :)

gee.....the possibilites..... :)

peace,
-purna
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:12:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Red Hill, NJ

In article <1992Apr7.045242.3253@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>
>Effected a sordid resurrection haven't you?
>
>G

...And what's in it for *you* PAL ?

Sid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:19:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.033738.16303@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:

>Yeah RIGHT.. You should talk !

It's nice to see Alok's only friend stick up for him. :-)

G
From: AXM128@psuvm.psu.edu (ARIJIT MAHALANABIS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Why is SCIA needed ? ( Thanks to Ashok, Milind, Purna, Ravi, Sid..
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:48:08 GMT
 <92105.161600AXM128@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Apr15.211400.20708@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: HAM - Hackers Against MUDs
X-Subliminal-Message: IBM/370 assembler is your friend.

It seems Mr. Vijayvargia can't take a hint. I specifically said I wouldn't
follow up on flames. But here I am, following up. This is not really a follow
up. This is to let those who have been following this thread know that I'm
not going to respond to Mr. Vijayvargia's asinine and childish remarks
publicly. However, he can and should expect a rather large flame in his mail-
box at my earliest convenience.

Thank you,
Arijit "Amazed at Alok's behavior" Mahalanabis.

PS: Harpal, if you're reading this, don't miss the great Alok quotes in the
last article with the same subject.
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:11:27 GMT

In article <45161@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
> alok writes:
> 
> >Pravin Devineni Ratnam writes:
> >> I wasn't harassing Trina, 
> 
> >But you did. She sent me an email indicating that.
> 
> Uh, care to reproduce that?  I dont think that is what I said nor
> meant.

Sorry, I don't have that email any more.
I distinctly remember however that you said something to the effect
that Pravin maybe harassing you.

If you didn't mean it, that is something different.

Anyway it is between you and Pravin. If you didn't mind Pravin's
post either, that is fine with me.

I certainly didn't like that. And George's suggestion that it indicates
sexually repressive trait is ridiculous. Pravin's post was simply 
too explicit and sick for public display. Anyone who condones and
sees humor value in it , is a sick person, IMHO.

> 
> Trina

Alok
From: khan@twg.com (Sharaaz K. Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: A-B-C-D
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:17:32 GMT
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA

This group should have been named soc.culture.abcd:  WHY?

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Sharaaz Khan :-)
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From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
Subject: Re: Why is SCIA needed ? ( Thanks to Ashok, Milind, Purna, Ravi, Sid..
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:45:15 GMT
Reply-To: sridhar@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Followup-To: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
Distribution: usa
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

AXM128@psuvm.psu.edu (ARIJIT MAHALANABIS) writes on soc.culture.indian.american:

)It seems Mr. Vijayvargia can't take a hint. 

Several people have infact offered him clues. But he has not made up
his mind on which one to take.. :-)

One quick question: Can a non-US born person stand for Vice-President.

Maybe we can have a straw poll for "Alok for Vice-President". Not the
counting straws. :-) Maybe that will deter Alok from posting to
Usenet. And we will have Alok's quotes instead of Quayle's 
quotes. 

If anyone is interested in voting on a straw poll to decide if Alok is
a bozo or not, he/she is referred to news.groups. To make things
easier so that the voter is not bewildered, there has been a
suggestion to have the votes sent to: 

bozo-yes@ferrari.labs.tek.com

	    or

bozo-yes@ferrari.labs.tek.com

It seems to be a serious poll. My vote hasn't bounced.

Sridhar.
-- 
The one line description for alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia reads

"Vote early and vote often".
From: gyanesh@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Gyanesh K Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Indian Materialism
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:05:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

> kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan) writes:
>
>developing countries.  The bottom line in India is that
>the unemployment rate is so high that the main goal of
>the breadwinner in any family is to "keep" their job
                                     ^^^^^^
>and put food on the table.  The only occupations that
>enable anybody to do this are that of engineers or doctors
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thast's not true !! You are forgetting govt. employees, businessmen,
professors and many other occupations. Engineers and doctors have added
privilege that they can afford somewhat more luxury compared to others. Again
this is not completely true. There are many businessmen who have all the good 
things of life !!! Of course politicians are exceptions, ;-)..;-) !!

>Nari
				Gyanesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: fsjm@barticomp (Joseph Mathew)
Subject: Re: Immigrants Getting Jobs
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:42:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.181806.24769@iWarp.intel.com>, pandit@iwarp.intel.com (Milind Pandit) writes:

|> A friend of mine is in medical school, and has what I think is a more
|> valid complaint.  He points out that in America, MD's are given only
|> after many years of rigorous and highly demanding education, whereas
|> in India, an MD can be gotten with relative ease.  On the other hand,
|> Indians with MDs from India can begin practicing in the US or continue
|> their education here after taking a couple of aptitude tests.
|> 


	This doesn't sound right.  Formally, someone with an Indian
medical degree can begin residency,  which is not the same as practising,
after some exams.  Admission to a residency program is not straightforward.
You can do very well in the exams and still be denied admission.  It has
very little to do with ability.

	Next, people in medical schools in India constantly complain about
how difficult their program is.  Their programs are rigorous and
highly demanding too.  I wouldn't be surprised to hear that students in
India have to *learn* more than their counterparts here, especially stuff
like, the pharmacology of drugs no longer being produced?
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:46:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsi.1992Apr13.164654.24643
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <44871@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
> Gee, alok, I hope you didnt misunderstand when I called you
> father before. 

Gee, you admitted that you did reference me as father, now I don't have to 
provide the proof:)

> I really do have a father of my own, one I
> love very much, and I DONT need another one. 

I am too young to be your father anyway.
You probably meant the Holy Father ;-) 

> But thanks for the generosity.

As always you are welcome.

Can I call you dear, or will that be material for sexual harassment too ?

> 
> Trina

Alok

*******************************************************************
" Generosity and kindness are my trademarks ..."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: are there still prejudices?
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:47:15 GMT

hi all!

i was going to stay hiding in the shadows (which i have/had to do because i'm  
working on finishing my thesis -- for those who're interested ), however, i  
noticed a post mentioning my name!  wow, someone actually reads my post (thanks  
arijit!).

anyway, here's another question (though my last couple seemed to have elicited  
very little response *sigh*).  are INDIANS (asian), raised in the US, still  
prejudiced against OTHER indians (also, asian)?

now, before people start blasting away, let me finish.  i have noticed (though,  
this may just be my perception) that many indians (mainly the "older"  
generation; like my parents) form "sub-cultures".  what i'm trying to say (not  
very well, mind you) is that people of karnataka (FOR EXAMPLE) tend to meet,  
congregate, stick it out, etc. with other people from karnataka.  not that it's  
altogether bad thing, but it's usually to such an extent that they ignore other  
indians (punjabis, FOR EXAMPLE).

is this prejudice?  i don't know.  maybe.

does this carry over into their children?  i don't think so, but i haven't  
encountered enough "indian-americans" to make this claim globally.

is this part of the assimilation process?  hmmmmm.....could be.....

what do you think?  is this a problem?

inquiring minds want to know :)

just trying to increase the signal-to-noise ratio..........

peace,
-purna
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: A-B-C-D
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:00:30 GMT


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From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:12:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

alok writes:

>THat is how I came into 
>it and this time defending Trina ;-)

Uh, gee, thanks for the kindness there alok.  But I CAN defend
myself. I'm believe I'm pretty good at handling things on my own.
But thanks anyways.

>> How is the above
>> underlined statement harassment of you?  
>Because you REPEATED the whole atrocious stuff posted by PRAVIN.

This is not harassment.

>> Moreover, I have received email from Trina pertaining to this very post by
>> me, where she saw its humor and did not ignore the smiley like you did. 

>It was not your one line statement about thought police that bothered me.
>It was your repeatition of Pravin's atrocious stuff in your reply.
>It was quite unnecessary. By repeating it, you recklessly or intentionally 
>(I hope not) emphasized Pravin's atrocity.

Again, not so.

>As far as Trina, I am relieved that she didn't mind your reply.
>NOw I don't have to come to her defence.

Gee, alok, I hope you didnt misunderstand when I called you
father before.  I really do have a father of my own, one I
love very much, and I DONT need another one. But thanks for the
generosity.

Trina
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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 11:15:13 EDT
From: ARIJIT MAHALANABIS <AXM128@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: are there still prejudices?
Distribution: usa
 <1992Apr15.174715.29166@menudo.uh.edu>
 <1992Apr16.133833.24760@cbfsb.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Apr16.133833.24760@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, sbellam@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
(susmitha.k.bellam) says:

>In article <1992Apr15.174715.29166@menudo.uh.edu> murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu      )
>(purna
>writes:
>>hi all!

>Hi Purna!

>>are INDIANS (asian), raised in the US, still
>>prejudiced against OTHER indians (also, asian)?
>>now, before people start blasting away, let me finish.  i have noticed       ,
>(though
>>this may just be my perception) that many indians (mainly the "older"
>>generation; like my parents) form "sub-cultures".

>Yes, I know what you mean.  In most cases I would attribute this
>type of "clumping" to factors other than prejudice.  People like my
>parents share the same language, culture, and religious practices,
>and probably grew up in the same area and went to the same schools
>as other people from their home state in India.  It's nice for them
>to associate with people who have had similar experiences.

I agree that in most cases this is the reason for clumping. But I have
also encountered individuals (some related to me) who refuse to associate
and even ridicule other Indian subcultures. This is something that I find
disturbing. Has anyone else dealt with this? I remember one lady in
particular who found it unbelieveable that one of my father's associates
was a Bihari. She could not believe that there were educated and cultured
Biharis as well. I think Bengalis (the subculture I've dealt with) have
this problem a lot. A lot of Bengalis I've met seem to claim that nothing
in this world is culture besides Rabindranath Tagore's works. I say all
this without malice, being a Bengali myself. Is there such a population of
individuals in every subculture?

>Susmitha

Arijit.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
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From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:26:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In <1992Apr8.122930.14302@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
(siddhartha.nag) writes: 

>In article <1992Apr8.025421.18009@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes: 

>>In article <1992Apr8.004928.13823@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes: 

>>>And also don't bother to flame back, 'cos I'm tired of this thread.

>>You're determined to make a fool of yourself aren't you?

>I thought I clearly told Trina not to bother to flame back. ....
>And that applies to her/his cronies too. Get a hint !

Interesting?
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From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: who can be president?
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:18:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45805
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

purna writes:
>now, this brings up an INTERESTING point.  namely, if you look at the line of  
>"succession" for the presidency (in case of deaths, assassinations, etc.) it  
>starts as : President (obvious)
>	    Vice-President (also fairly obvious)
>            SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!

>knoing all of this, here's my question.  if i get elected to be a congressman  
>(god forbid!) and our "party" gets into the majority AND i become speaker of  
>the house AND the president and vice-pres die, can i become president????!!

>i am a non-US-born US-citizen.  any political scientists/buffs out thee know  
>the policy?

This I am not sure about...but my guess is that, since most people 
have such grand faith in the secret service, etc., no one believes
that it will get to the speaker of the house to begin with, esp.
since it HAS NEVER happened.

However, I would say that if it does, they would go down the line 
of succession (of which the line is about 12 positions long, I believe)
until they find a US-born citizen.

Trina
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Followup-To: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:23:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.122930.14302@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:

>I thought I clearly told Trina not to bother to flame back. ....

Why do you say that?
Does it bother you that that I came to you?

>And that applies to her/his cronies too. Get a hint !

When did you first know that applies to her/his cronies too?
Is the fact that applies to her/his cronies too sid, the
real reason?

Let me tell you something, you racist, your dog is great.
You make me sick.  You're probably young yourself.
Is it because michael jackson is intellectual that you came to me?
The sexual revolution is over, right?  I couldn't care less about your
disease.
I couldn't care less about your mental problem.  It's a wonderful day.
You sadistic dead dogmatist!  I have many crazy friends.
How do you reconcile problems at school?


George
From: urvishb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (urvish bidkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: materialism
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:06:54 GMT
Reply-To: urvishb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (urvish bidkar)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: urvishb@thumper.cc.utexas.edu

i picked up the thread on "materialism" a few days ago. i am
responding to my impression from the posts i have seen.

i have seen a lot of stuff on "materialism of II". i for one
dont see anything wrong with it. if IA kids dont like it, have
the guts to stand up and do something about it (i know some 
who have). i dont see the people who have taken charge complaining.

as for "understanding materialism" how would you feel if you had
a job that is unsatisfying and pays just enough to tide you over
for the month. how would you feel knowing that you cant afford a
medical procedure if you needed one, that you can never hope to
own a house in a city? i bet if one went through those experiences,
one would be bothered about money and things "materialistic".

urvish