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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: WHAT is a Billican (sp?)?
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:40:16 GMT

Just for reference, somewhere in the recent thread about the UNLV-G'Town
game is a description of how the school got the nickname Billiken. Something
about a doll at an early-century world's fair that looked like the St. Louis
head coach at the time...


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From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Biggest Upset of the Decade?
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:01:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>Kansas was blown out by Long Beach State.  Is this the biggest upset of the
>decade?

Wasn't Long Beach ranked until their loss to Santa Barbara last week?

I think the Penn State win over UCLA in the '91 tournament wass a bigger upset
than last night's game.
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From: clancy@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel J. Clancy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke loss
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:28:19 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1993Jan18.130239.18061@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>In article 20369@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, rca2t@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Rafael Candido Alvarado) writes:
>>Why can't Virginia's ability be recognized for the win over Duke, just a
>>little bit?  Granted, Duke was tired ... but Virginia wasn't 100%
>>either, and they didn't have as many "fouls" called in their favor. 
>

I think that one of the reason for this is the reaction that other people frequently
have to a loss like this.  Since the loss I have heard a number of times
things like:

	"Well it doesn't look like Duke quite has it this year.  Did you see
	them loose to Uva?"

Let me commend the net for not making comments like this.  I also heard comments
about UK not being as good as people thought because they lost to Vandy.  In response
to statements like these, people get in the habit of making excuses for the
loss.  Sometimes the play of the other team is credited; however, this is usually
only when they shoot a high percentage or one player has a great game.

That said, let me comment that Uva played great defense; however, this is a two way street.
Duke also allowed their defense to shine by not working for a good shot.
All along I have felt that UVa had a good shot at beating Duke at UVa this year.
I was very surprised to see them win in Cameron.  The game at UVa should notbe
one hell of a game with Duke coming in for some revenge.

Dan Clancy
From: wagner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Jayhawks in my Dreams
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:26:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: kuhub.1993Jan26.102620.46772
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services









			Wake me up. It was a nightmare right!
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:35:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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>NCAA 3 Point Leaders (by percentage)
>---------------------------------------------
>Gibson, UNLV		30-53		56.6%
>Davis, Middle Tenn	22-40		55.0%
>Anderson, Kent		29-53		54.7%
>Capers, Arizona St	20-37		54.1%
>Peinton, East Tenn	22-41		53.7%
>Witman, W Michigan	42-79		53.2%
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 IMO this guy, Sean Wightman, is the only guy that deserves to be listed
 in the top 10. You should have to put up at least three or four 3's a
 game to be listed in the rankings. Actually looking at it, McCaffrey and
 Ford deserve the listing to but the rest of these guys...Shit, it isn't
 hard to hit half your 3s if you take two a game and they're both wide
 open shots. Even I can hit 6 of 10 with no one in my face.

 --salty

>McCaffrey, Vandy	35-66		53.0%
>Ford, Kentucky		35-66		53.0%
>Mills, Arizona		25-48		52.1%
>Ryder, Siena		23-45		51.1%
>


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From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL PENN STATERS-IMPORTANT!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:38:03 GMT

Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>THIS WEDNESDAY - JAN. 27 IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DAY FOR PENN STATE LADY
>LIONS BASKETBALL.  Ranked No. 7, they will be taking on the No. 8 Lady
>Buckeyes of Ohio State.  In the past, large crowds have been able to make

oh god.

there's nothing more BOOOORING to me than "lady hoops" or the
business of trying to promote fan interest in it.
about as fun as shoveling snow....

i'll stop now before someone blows up on this and calls me a
sexist.

::j
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: North Carolina #1 ... :-(
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:48:34 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
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>
>   And it looks like tonight FSU might just do the job.  We'll see; IU 
>survived its scare tonight.
>

So did UNC.  Impressively.
 
March should be marvelous!!


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From: cdcg9698@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles D. Croxton)
Subject: Re: UNC over FSU (what a come back)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:49:32 GMT

I've had my doubts about whether this Carolina team was as good as advertised,
but after tonight I don't.  They played terribly to get behind by 21 (of course
Florida State played very well, too), but it takes a good team to come back
from a deficit like that and win.

Did anyone else catch Sam "Wine and Cheese" Cassell's tongue hanging out as
he ran off the court after the first half?  He had just had a steal and a
3-pointer.  That was his, "We whipped you last year here and we're going to
do it again this year no matter how badly you want revenge" tongue-wag.  He
didn't look so happy as the game wound down.

All I can say is...ARE YOU KIDDIN' ME?? I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M SEEING.
TOTALLY AWESOME, BABY!!!

By the way, the final score was 82-75.

Derek
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Dean and the Four Corners
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:06:44 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <30008@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>If you think that the 4 Corners or variants in the last two minutes
>of the game was bad, there was one Duke-UNC game in the 1960's that 
>probably tops it all.

[Summary of 21-20 Duke win deleted.]

My favorite UNC stall-ball story was the 1979 home final for Duke
(surprise!) versus Carolina.  

Carolina held the ball for practically the entire first half, and the
Tar Holes were shut out while Duke scored a touchdown and an extra point
8-) to lead 7-0.  Carolina was, I believe, 0-3 from the floor, and all
three shots were AIR BALLS.  That's right, the entire team didn't hit
the rim on a single shot for the entire half.

Well, down 7-0 at half time, Deano elected to come out and play in the
second half.  They lost 47-40.

- Rob Mac K


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From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: North Carolina #1 ... :-(
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:16:27 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
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JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
:  Ouch!! It looks like it's true! If it wasn't for a fluke basket by Jalen Rose
: UNC would be undefeated. Carolina is truly playing the best basketball in the
: nation, they've played some of the best teams in the country, and have one all
: but one game. The way they are playing is reminiscent of Duke's no-one-can-
: touch-us style from last year. Let's face it, Dookies, Hoosiers, Wolverines,
: Wildcats, and Jayhawks alike, Dean has THE TEAM TO BEAT.
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And I am quite sure someone will.  :)

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Kentucky over Alabama
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:16:55 GMT

rogers@ofc.Columbia.NCR.COM (HL Rogers) writes:
>Ditto.  I have no use for Kellog either.  In an earlier game this year
>(Indiana/Ky?) he constantly sang IU praises while the Cats were
>whooping their tails.  You know: the Cats weren't good, the Hoosiers
>were just having an off day.  Hate to see that in a sportscaster.

	Whaddya expect.  He's a Big-10 bozo (Ohio St).  The loyalties
	have to lie somewhere, ya know.

>What's with Mashburn being blocked so easily?  Seems he doesn't shield
>the defender with his body, like he did last year.

	What Jamal's problem is -- is that whenever he drives to the hoop
	(ala Adrian Dantley), he thinks he's going to get the foul called
	-- maybe because of the superstar factor or whatever.  I personally
	think he should start slapping himself on the arms so the refs
	will call the fouls, kinda like the master at that himself, Mr.
	Jordan.

	Jazzy J

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From: sitekm@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Mark Andrew Sitek)
Subject: UNC over FSU (what a come back)
Reply-To: sitekm@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:31:35 GMT

	Holy SHIT is the only thing anyone can say about that game. But there are things we can say to DICK. I've never seen anyone "jump on the band wagon" like him. As soon as a team starts to do well he says they could be number one etc.
	Enough of that. All of you people out there who missed this game, I'm sorry because you missed the best game of the year. Back to back games Carolina comes back and wins under serious pressure. Both Seton Hall and FSU tried to pack it in inside. It did work for the most part forcing Carolina outside. The first half of the game destroyed UNC. The funky defense by FSU forced UNC to shoot outside where they missed every three point attempt(something like 0-10). Montross' earlier foul trouble took him out of 






the game with 15 minutes left in the first half. FSU was simply playing incredible basketball. They pounded it inside with good passes while Montross sat on the bench. About 7 min. left in the half UNC cut the lead to 25-21. Then FSU went nuts and went into the half with a 45-28 point advantage. Carolina seemed lost. 
	The second half started out just as shitty as the first half ended. FSU continued to play like a top 10 team extending their lead to 18,19,20, and 21 throughout the first 8-9 minutes of the second half. It looked like a blow out, but then came the Heels. Rodl and Williams began hitting threes, especially Rodl, with 5 in a row. The lead was cut to 13 then 8 with a couple of Pat timeouts in between. FSU's successful defense was failing as the Heels hit their perimeter j's. FSU switched to a man to man but t






hen Carolina pounded the ball inside. Carolina stepped up the d, forced turn overs, hit clutch baskets, and totally shocked the Seminoles. I can't remember the final score but I know UNC won by 5. I was too excited remember. FSU had chances at the end to win,but they missed, obviously.
	FSU played an excellent game, until the last ten minutes. Many factors can contribute here, fatigue especially. 
	Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that UNC is a good basketball team that easily deserves its #3 ranking? 
	

								   

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Duke loss
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:31:11 CST

I believe this must be 1993's version of the thread that won't die.  That
also means that its worst perpetrator is the equivalent of the perpetrator
of 1992's thread that wouldn't die.  Therefore...

ROB MACKENNA = Roy Navarre
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:56:33 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,psu.sports
Subject: INFO FOR WOMEN'S BASKETBALL LIST (non-subscribers)

Anybody who wants to be on the women's basketball mailing list, please e-mail
me at rap115@psuvm.psu.edu   The list includes daily women's scores, plus
representatives of several schools who write articles about their school's
team, something you don't get in the USA Today or anywhere else.  If you would
like to be a representative of your favorite team's school, also tell me that
in your e-mail to me (especially you in TENNESSEE, VANDERBILT, and IOWA - we
are looking for you!)  E-mail me if you're interested.
** Rob **
Representative for the Penn State Lady Lions
From: kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kelly Dougan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: National POTY
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:32:27 GMT
Reply-To: kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kelly Dougan)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corporate Logistics Division, Dayton Ohio

Here's another good way to start a flame war.  I know it's only a little over
half way thru the season, but who's everyone's pick for national player of the
year?


Mr. Kelly Dougan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: IU question
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:12:18 GMT

In article <C1K00J.6n4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:

>
>Anyways, we could use all the people we can get, even if it is Pat Knight.
>We lost :
>Malcolm Sims (why did he quit?)
>Pat Graham (another foot injury)
>Todd Lindeman (red shirt)
>
>We have (essentially) 8 players (not including P*t K****t)
>Greg Graham
>Alan Henderson
Most impressive sophomore anywhere.

>Damon Bailey  (what a washout.  I think he's another very overrated player)

IU would have lost to Minnesota without Bailey's performance.  He is going to
be team leader next year.

>Calbert Cheaney  (did anyone catch Billy Packer calling him Calvin Cheaney?)
True God
>                 (I was at the game, but this is what someone told me)
>Matt Nover (he is god)
He used to suck hard, but he's gotten better.  Has begun to assert himself
inside but he still can't shoot, and sometimes can't rebound.

>Todd Leary (he is the other god)
>Chris Reynolds
>Brian Evans
The man can shoot, he's big, he has good hands, he can rebound.  If he gets
a feel for the court, he and Henderson promise to make IU even stronger next
year.


>

RStimets

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From: trev@well.sf.ca.us (Trevor Zion Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Coastal vs. Charleston?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:25:53 GMT

In <C19K8J.Do1@apollo.hp.com> stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:

>I saw a schedule that listed a game this week between two of my favorite
>giant-killers, Coastal Carolina and the College of Charleston, but no
>score has shown up in any papers that I've seen (not that that surprises
>too much).

Charleston suffered no letdown in the wake of their glorious 17-point
victory over Georgia Tech.  In the two games since that, the Cougars
have beaten Maryland-Baltimore County soundly (about 30 points) and
South Carolina State 67-62.  SC State has been playing decent ball
in the MEAC, so that was a good win in spite of the relatively narrow
margin.

Coastal hasn't been the same this year...they're running fifth in the
Big South after suffering an 81-74 loss to Liberty on Saturday.

Officially, the College of Charleston is a partial member of the 
Trans-America Athletic Conference.  They will play a full league
schedule next year ('93-'94).  The Cougars are 10-2 as of Saturday,
January 23.  For those interested, the Trans-America Athletic 
Conference will include the following teams next season: (those 
other than Charleston are listed according to their current 
standing in that conference...)

     Florida International    5-0  12-5    (Miami, FL)
     Mercer                   3-1   7-9    (Macon, GA)
     Centenary                2-2   7-9    (Shreveport, LA)
     Samford                  1-2   9-6    (Birmingham, AL)
     Georgia State            1-2   8-8    (Atlanta, GA)
     Stetson                  1-3   6-10   (Deland, FL)
     Southeast Louisiana      0-3   6-7    (Hammond, LA)
     College of Charleston         10-2    (Charleston, SC)

Someone asked about the University of New Orleans...that school
sits atop the Sun Belt Conference at 13-1.  I don't know whether
the Trans-America Conference is eligible for a play-in automatic
berth to the big show, or which conferences are pitted against
each other for that purpose.  A concise posting regarding this
would be swell...
 
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Exploited (WAS Re: Chris Webber)
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:14:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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On Tuesday, Chris, once again, reaffirmed his committment to staying.


I, however, think that he's gone as soon as he develops a jump-shot.


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From: micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen)
Subject: Re: Wahoos
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:57:16 GMT

As a sort of followup to the condition (hardly critical) of
Virginia men's basketball:

1. Jeff Jones had a good point the day before the UNC game when
he said that there seemed to be a tiered system of ranked teams
with a more or less elite top six (including UNC) and a more
or less equally matched second six (including UVa.)

2. Bench depth remains a problem for the Cavaliers. Always has
been, but with an uptempo offense in a bump and grind game that
can be a major problem.

3. Dean Smith still knows how to make halftime adjustments even
when things are going well for his team. The decision to force
the ball inside, use his teams size to trap, and maintain a half
court offense certainly turned the screws on the Hoos. Allowing
the game to continue its faster pace of the late first half would
certainly have given UVa a better chance to come back.

4. The Sampson Syndrome may still be in effect. The last
time Virginia made the Final Four they had to graduate Ralph
first. With Bryant Stith gone the team seems to be spreading
things out more, not aloowing opponents to key on one
player.

5. Virginia is still a young team and they sometimes play
like a young (caught in traps, poor passing decisions) team,
but I won't underestimate their ability to grow up a
the season continues.


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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: No Fouls Called
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:01:00 GMT

Kenneth.Whelan@f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Kenneth Whelan) writes:
>Not complaining about the loss but I would like to point out that In the  
>Arkansas / Vanderbilt Game(Congrats) that Vandy shot 45 foul shots to  
>Arkansas 10 foul shots.   A little lopsided there.

	Not surprising.  It would be nice to calculate FTs taken and made
	for visiting and Vandy in games played in Nashville.  I think the
	differential would be shocking.

	Jazzy J

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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BB vs Geography
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:23:03 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1jqrvsINNjll@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
> Why else would a Texan be spending the best 8 years of his life in a Ph.D. 
> program at the U-Dub?

 i'm sorry but this simply cannot be true. we're told here at Arizona all the 
time that it takes only 4.5 years on the average to get a PhD at UW so I'm 
afraid you must be lying to us. I'm sorry but I trust our faculty to the point
of death and have no doubt that you are only trying to trick the rest of us
into believing that it can actually take 8 years at the infamous (at least here
at Arizona) UW to get your doctorate...


			gln
 


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From: jframe@unlv.edu (Jason Frame)
Subject: Re: Womens' arenas???
Organization: UNLV
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 09:48:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.023941.21952@leland.Stanford.EDU> elmanad@amy14.stanford.edu (Adam Elman) writes:
>Just wondering:
>
>At how many schools out there do the womens' and mens' basketball
>teams play in _different_ arenas?  I know for the Pac-10 that
>at least Stanford (Maples), UCLA (Pauley), and Washington (Hec Ed)
>play in the same arenas as the mens' teams.  However, when a few
>friends and I went down to USC on Monday, I was appalled to note that
>although the mens' team plays in the L.A. Sports Arena, the Women of
>Troy, a top-25 team, play in the Lyon Center, a gym on the USC campus
>which is about the same size as my high school gym (1,200).  Since
>Stanford gets about two or three times that attendance for an
>unimportant game, I think that's pretty pathetic of USC.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Adam Elman
>aelman@cs.stanford.edu

   At UNLV, the Lady Rebels play most of their games in the school's
south Gym, but they play a few at the T&M.  The gym definately is an
advantage because they practice there, and they play better there than
in the T&M.

----Jason
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