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From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Skiing in Tatra Mountains, Poland?
Keywords: skiing, Poland
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:14:30 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <2AD650F8.16656@news.service.uci.edu>, aodyniec@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alex Odyniec) writes:
|> I'll be in Poland around X-mas and I'm wondering whether it's worth
|> going to Zakopane for a week of skiing, or should I stay in Warsaw
|> instead and drink hot spiced mead at the Old Town taverns ;-)

 I havn't skiied at Zakopane but I was there a couple of weeks ago
while on a rapid tour of Eastern Europe. If my impression of the area
was accurate then you shouldn't expect much of it. If snow conditions
were good then you might get some reasonable runs down to the Cable car
stations (which are a 10 minute bus ride out of town) but there didn't
look to be any prepared, steep runs. The uplift was pretty small scale,
a few (single seat?) chairlifts supplementing the Cable car & funicular
(I didn't visit the funicular, I don't know what skiing, if any, it
serves).

 I would think there are some good opportunities for off-piste skiing
(although the proximity to the Slovak border might suggest careful
routeplanning :-). Do Americans need visas for Poland & 
Czechoslovakia?).

|>      Does anyone know how big that ski area is, what's the vertical
|> drop, and what kind of terrain (I am an advanced skier). Also, what
|> are the weather patterns in that part of Europe -- what's the average
|> annual snowfall in Zakopane and do they normally get a decent base by
|> the end of December? Lastly, what's the typical quality of snow on the
|> scale from Sierra cement to Utah powder?

 I can't answer these questions, though I'd be interested to know. Try
contacting the Orbis (Polish tourist agency) office in Zakopane. The
national office should be able to give you their number. I only have
their London office number.

 I would guess it entirely depends on the snowfall. In the Alps
Christmas skiing is very variable and I would *guess* (ie I don't know)
that early season snowfall would be less reliable further east.
 If the snow is good then it would be worth a visit (& Krakov is nice,
too) but if conditions are poor then it would probably be a waste of
time. The equipment we saw in the shops ranged from very cheap Polish
copies of Western kit (#30 for skis & bindings, not DIN calibrated) to
modern equipment. You might be able to find decent rental kit if you
looked around but I should think most of it is fairly poor quality.

 Accomodation & food are, of course, ridiculously cheap by western 
standards.

Hope this helps,

	W.
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From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
	<1992Oct14.165849.6783@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
	<LAUNCE.92Oct14163358@apollo.med.utah.edu>
	<Oct15.031507.60154@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:41:54 GMT

In article <Oct15.031507.60154@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:

   ...Is there an advantage of some sort for dropping into that silly
   telemark position?

This is the poster who claims he's never had a telemarker keep up with
him -- it's now obvious why!

The good telemarkers don't look too much different from gravity slaves
from a moderate distance. The "burning thighs" days are over -- pick
up a copy of Paul Parker!

I remember doing an area promo video for the Portland cable TV
company. After filming all day, the camera person said, "Okay, fine.
Now can we get some telemark turns?" Sigh -- that's what I'd been
doing all day.

   But seriously, under what circumstances is the tele position an
   advantage?

Saying "the" tele position is like saying "give me 'the' salad" at a
salad bar! There's no such thing! If the outside ski is somewhat ahead
of the inside one, and you can slide a credit card under the inside
heel, it's telemarking. But for heaven's sake, mix it up! Someone who
has only one telemark probably can ski only one path through the snow
condition/steepness/turn radius matrix.

However, the extremes are useful for illustration. As one approaches
the extreme down position, on gains front-back stability, at the
expense of "terrain ignortion". That's why jumpers land into a fairly
extreme telemark -- they want the stability, and they soak up the blow
by going down. Notice how rapidly they come back up, however!

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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Best spots to ski in Northeast??
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:10:18 GMT

In article <JIM.92Oct8101142@scf16.scf.loral.com> jim@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jim Livesey) writes:
>
>  I'm heading to the Northeast this Christmas and was wondering
>  where the good spot(s) to ski would be.  I'm a beginner to
>  moderate skier and my girlfriend has never skied before.

Ski Killington!
(This is what we eastcoasters are supposed to say right?)

----Steve
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personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
From: clarke@meandyou.Eng.Sun.COM (Kevin Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Lodging near Bachelor, Oregon
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:50:49 GMT
Reply-To: clarke@meandyou.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: meandyou


	Does anyone have a favorite or recommended place to stay
	near Bachelor? I have the phone numbers for places up there
	but I am looking for some 1st hand info.

	I'm looking for a place big enough for about 10 folks sometime
	late in December.

	Thanks,

	Kevin

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:55:30 GMT

In article <Oct15.212415.49195@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>>But seriously, under what circumstances is the tele position an advantage?
I said:
>>2) crusty or crudy snow conditions where the front ski acts as an ice
>>breaker does and plows (leads) through the snow ahead.
>
>OK, I'm pulling another Cinton.  You're right here.  I have experienced
>particular backcountry crusty conditions where my partner on skinny
>free-heal skis had an advantage over my short-fat-locked-heal-skis with
>Ramers.  But during the uphill part of that day, the short-fats had the
>advantage (and I ended up breaking trail almost all the way as a result
>-- aha, I see what you mean.  The skinny skis really are an advantage!)   

What did I say?  Clinton?  I like 30-minute infomercials.
I think more than 1/2 the beauty of Ramers (or other ski mountaineering
bindings) is that you have the choice (there's that word: I'm pro-choice).
You do NOT have to lock down.  And I frequently don't (when going down hill):
but give me linked treeless bowls (even nice trees), good snow, I want
to link parallel turns.  That occasionally makes up for the clunky heavy
weight.  I like my lighter boots and Nordic skis as well.  Rolling
mountainous terrain: brief steeps: keep the plate unlocked.

As posted before, sometimes at smaller downhill areas I Alpine ski my
RD Coyotes in the AM and tele in the PM on my old Lovetts.  Do the same
runs, never get bored that way.  Crash and burn occasionally.
Okay, I'm spent for this thread (this year), anyone want to talk about snow?
I hope that Ilana (or Glen) puts a summary of all the past arguments
of the thread on the FAQ.  Less the election comments which are only current
now.  What ever gets you down, the turn's fine with me.

Oh yes, Ski Vail.							3.0

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From: shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing areas around Pittsburgh
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:23:26 GMT
Organization: TRW Sensor Data Processing Center, Redondo Beach, CA

Ski Ohio!

There is one ski area in Mansfield, Ohio, north of Columbus and
south of Akron just off I-71, called Snow Trails.  There are two ski 
areas between Akron and Cleveland, Brandywine and Boston Mills.  I 
haven't skied these in many years, but for learning to ski, they're not
bad.  There is another area northeast of Columbus, too.  Snowmaking 
abounds in Ohio.  Expect to ski in all kinds of conditions, from sheer
ice to slush.

Sheila



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From: tholome@bangalore.esf.de (Eric Tholome)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Innovative Pricing
Date: 7 Oct 1992 10:29:09 -0500
Organization: ESF Headquarters, Berlin, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I thought I'd let you know that some ski resorts, in France (e.g. Chamrousse)
have a very attractive pricing system:

They will sell you an all-day-all-you-can-ski pass. But if you buy it after the
opening hour and/or return it before the closing hour, you get a proportional
discount. Well, kind of... They don't give you back the money, you get a credit
for the next time. This has no value to people coming just once, but for people
living in Grenoble or nearby, it is really great.

For instance, I used to hesitate to buy a day pass when the weather was really
insecure. Well, now I don't anymore. If it starts raining, just return your
pass!

Basically, it sounds like you're not paying for each and every lift (i.e. no
turnstiles, no nothing), but in proportion to the time you spend on the
sloapes.

Finally, I should make clear that in fact it isn't really proportional: midday
hours are a lot more expensive that first and last hours, but this is normal, I
believe.

Has anybody already experienced such a thing?

						Eric

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From: jbaker%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (John Baker)
Subject: Lodging question (Cortina vs. Villager) at KILLINGTON (good deal!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:49:31 MDT
Keywords: Killington Vermont lodging
Distribution: na

There is a Ski New England special available from the Washington/Baltimore
area - 5 days for $397.

I have decided to go to Killington and have a choice of lodging.  The two
best places in the deal are the Cortina Inn, which is a luxurious inn about
8 miles from the slopes, and the Villager which is walking distance from the
lifts.  

Has anyone stayed at either location, and if so, how did they like it?  ANY
comments are welcome!

Thank you,
John Baker
jbaker@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
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From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:54:02 GMT
Subject: Re: In Defense of Texas Skiers!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


Anything a Texan considers to be a great powder stash they can have as far
as I' m Concerned.  You have to remember which resort attracts more Texan
skiers (there's a good one) and any place else, Geekstone and more specificly
Schoolmarm.  To tell you the truth Texans are welcom,e as far as I'm concerned
the money they spend supports the ski industry and it would be a safe bet to
say they have the highest ratio
of dollars spent to powder tracks.  Have you ever seen a Texan on anything
even remotely challenging?

jonw
Six inches on top of A-Basin last night!!! Not exactly a Texan paradise.
From: shieh@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiier!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:50:47 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin
Originator: shieh@racerx.austin.ibm.com



<Description of a rude/bad driver......>

> Geese!  I really understood why 
> people in New Mexico hated Texans.  This was only my first experience.
> I later had others.  I don't think all Texans are rude and pissed off
> at life, but after a few more ecounters, I was complaining about Texans
> just like every other New Mexico resident.
> 
> 
> 
>                                        NCW 


Gee, it must feel great to be holier-than-thou.  Of course
if you will let one bad Texan DRIVER influence your opinion
about all Texan(S) skiing or otherwise, then you are a
New Mexico bigot.  Congrats.
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Can I do it?
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:50:29 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Oct07.172702.24391@eng.umd.edu> naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima) writes:
>I have a friend who is willing to sell me his pair of skis w/
>bindings already mounted. The problem is that his shoe size is 7 while
>mine is 10.  So the question is can I remount the bindings to fit my 
>boots? How will this affect the structure and the performance of the skis?

No problem.  Just make sure that the new holes aren't too close to the old
ones (get a ski shop to do it - they know what "too close" means).  It may
be possible to leave the toe where it is and move only the heel.  Don't be
concerned about weakening the ski at all - the effect is negligible.

>Thanks in advance,
>Naru Takashima

Hugh
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:55:18 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
> 
>I've never seen a Texas skier. Are there special noteworthy characteristics? 

The men wear cowboy hats while skiing.  The women usually have jackets
with big furry collars and wear tons of makeup and red lipstick (and often
furry mittens or gloves). Neither would be caught dead with a hat or goggles.

Not all Texans are like this, though.  It's the difference between 
a Texas skier (tm) and a skier from Texas.

Richard Stern
rstern@col.hp.com

PS. Snow in the Colorado mountains last night!!!!  :-) :-)
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From: jsalmi@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Devner
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:20:35 GMT

In article <14980@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> 
>I used to ski in a Hawaiian shirt quite a bit.
>
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so that was YOU!  hmm....  

*snicker*

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From: mka@tko.vtt.fi (Kauppi Matti)
Subject: Voile release kit for 3-pins
Reply-To: mka@tko.vtt.fi (Kauppi Matti)
Organization: VTT
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:57:12 GMT


Hello,

I need a release kit and brake kit for my telemark 3-pins. The first races are
held after 6 weeks and I don't want to brake my legs because of the lack of
bind releasers. 

I know that at least Voile makes them. Voile brake kit plus release kit cost
$77 (Canadian Dollar) at Mountain Equipment Co-op in Canada. Does any of you 
know other places where I can buy equipment via post? Of cource, I'd appreciate 
if the place you suggest were cheaper than Mountain Eq.


Thanks,
Matti
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:38:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <LAUNCE.92Oct13155718@apollo.med.utah.edu> launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.175521.10229@u.washington.edu> davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale) writes:
>
>   >>pair of 195 cm Dynastar Omeglass II's.  If you want something new I
>   >>have been thinking that one of the "Extreme" skis would make good
>   >>Tele's.  These are generally a little softer in the tip than a slalom
>   >>ski, but pretty quick.
>
>Saw some guys in the backcountry on Vertical Assaults & Extreme
>Courses last season.  They seemed to like them a whole lot. 
>
>   >>This isn't a purist attitude, but I already cheat so bad with my Asolo
>   >>Extreme Racers that a real ski completes the package.
>
>Yeah, me too - I'll be especially bad this season, now that I've gotten
>ahold of some plastic cuffs to stiffen up my Scarpas.

Now if you guys just buy some sort of nuevo-telemark gadget to lock
your heals down, you might even be able to keep up with good skiers
on down-hill gear.  :-)


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,misc.forsale
From: kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Snowboard for sale.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:38:50 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

For Sale:
 
    A Burton Cruiser 165 Snowboard.
    This is the split-tail design that was out right before they stopped
     making the split tails.  The board is in good condition and the only
     reason I am selling it is because I bought a new one.  
    Mail me if you need any other details.
    I am selling it for $120 + shipping.
 
 Kevin

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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: Lodging question (Cortina vs. Villager) at KILLINGTON (good deal!)
Keywords: Killington Vermont lodging
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:34:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.170115.12422@osf.org>, ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.164932.17555@hellgate.utah.edu>, jbaker%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (John Baker) writes:
|> |> There is a Ski New England special available from the Washington/Baltimore
|> |> area - 5 days for $397.
|> |> 
|> |> I have decided to go to Killington and have a choice of lodging.  The two
|> |> best places in the deal are the Cortina Inn, which is a luxurious inn about
|> |> 8 miles from the slopes, and the Villager which is walking distance from the
|> |> lifts.  
|> |> 
|> |> Has anyone stayed at either location, and if so, how did they like it?  ANY
|> |> comments are welcome!
|> 
|> 


Cortina is one of those newly gotten-up places that neither has the
splendor of the old-world hotel, nor charm of a classic New England inn,
nor Hilton-esque business efficiency and convenience.  It is overpriced 
indeed.  It is poorly situated, facing a heavily travelled Rt.4.
No agreeable view in any direction.  
It is used a lot by old farts for official class reunions, suspicious 
conferences  and similar activities, and in general has cheap tacky corporate 
feel (as opposed to expensive tacky corporate feel, which is more agreeable).

As far as the restaurant is concerned, I heard good things about it,
but from people whose tastes I don't trust at all, so draw your own 
conclusions.  Either way, food situation in
Killington is excellent in general (not slopeside, however !!!), down to 
surprisingly well stocked supermarket  in Rutland, and presence of a good 
restaurant on the premises shouldn't be a deciding factor.  

Cortina is too far from Killington  to be premiere location ; if I were to 
pay to stay there, I would make it absolutely sure that they have a shuttle 
bus.
Matters of transportation are important ones : car is a drag, parking on 
the mountain and walking from the parking to the lilft is even more so;  
I would stick to places on a Killington  shuttle route.

Sergei




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From: eric@quantum.on.ca (Eric Johnson)
Subject: Re: Gatineau 55
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:28:28 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software Systems

In article <1992Oct12.212809.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> mnewton@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>Does anyone know the dates of next year's Gatineau 55 XC ski race in
>the Ottawa area? Info would be appreciated.
>
>Michael Newton
>Grenfell College Corner Brook
>NF

The Gatineau 55 race will be held on Feb 21, 1993. I suspect you could get info
by calling the National Capital Commission information centre (613) 239-5000, or
the Gatineau park visitor centre (819) 827-2020. Sorry I don't have more info.

-- 
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Subject: Re: Nordica Boots (F8)
From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:45:25 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
Keywords: recommendations

In article <1992Oct6.192224.25591@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> rbalko@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.a.balko) writes:
>
>I'm shopping for boots (among other things) and Fred (the salesguy)
>recommended the Nordica F8 for about $300. They felt ok,
>but being pretty new to the scene I don't know have a benchmark
>to go from.   Anybody have any comments about this boot
>or any others I SHOULD take a look at.  I'll be using them for
>high intermediate to expert skiing.
----------------------------------------------

I am pretty much the the same skill type as you.  I have been known to mogul
mash and ski agressively (which is why I take both my 190's and my 175's with
me).  I like a boot that is quick on and off.  I just bought a new pair earlier
this week.  I got the Solomon 67's and paid $228.50 for them.  They had a great
lining.  Not too soft but soft enough to cushion your feet.  I might add that
the retail price listed was $280.00. 

Just a word to the anti-Texas people...I only ever met 3 and they were 
transplants but...EVERY state has at least one big mouthed idiot in it.
;-) 


Mark E. Porterfield 
ISA                         
Pgh Supercomputing Ctr.
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