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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Ever seen King Crimson live?
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:43:05 GMT

As long as we're all swapping stories...

I saw Fripp during his Frippertronics tour at the San Diego Tower Records. I  
was seated by a record bin about 10 feet away, with a friend of mine. The  
speech was good, along the same lines as articles he was publishing in that  
period. There a question and answer session that included topics like a film  
project with Deborah Harry and working with Bowie (who Fripp referred to as  
'Mr. B'). The loops were great! He did some autograph signing afterward and  
suggested that it would be nice if we bought 'Exposure' for him to sign. He  
quipped that if we already owned it we should by copies for our mothers.

My friend and I were at the end of the line and Fripp didnt seem to be in a  
hurry to run off, so we had a chance to chat with him a bit. I had brought 'No  
Pussyfooting', so he signed his name and Eno's name and drew circles and arrows  
to show who was who (ha ha). I told him the copy of 'Exposure' was for my mom  
(actually she *had* given me the money), so on the cover he spontaneously drew  
a speech balloon coming from his photo's mouth saying "Hi Mum!". My friend  
indicated that we were "budding guitarists" and asked him for tips and  
comments. We had a nice little chat that concluded with him winking and  
shooting his finger like a gun at me as we turned to leave. Pretty cool guy.

I saw Crimson on their three US tours of 1981-1984. The first was easily the  
best. They played in a gym at UCSD, with the audience seated on the floor. The  
lighting was very simple and the power of the band was incredible. As I've said  
before, the version of 'Satori In Tangier' that they played on that tour was  
truly transcendental. Unaware that they would play older material, 'Red' and  
'Larks 2' were stunning. One of the best concerts I've been to in my life.

The two subsequent US tours were good and entertaining but didn't contain the  
passion, intensity or coherence of the first, IMO. Between things like Belew  
getting more goofy and Bruford not feeling it was his place to keep time,  
something definately was lost.

Gordon

Did I ever tell ya the one about sticking my head in Debbie Harry's limo after  
a Blondie concert...

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: THE CURE
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:10:24 GMT

Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)

In article <92321.035222MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>  
<MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> As the source of the "oh jeez, not again" post, I must defend my post by  
saying
> 
> If we do not clearly define what is and is not Progressive, then the  
RHCP and
> the Cure will be the norm, and Genesis and ELP will not be.
> 

Possibly true, but you can inform people while being polite. Being  
insulting and giving them no background on the different charters of the  
newsgroups doesn't inform them eiher.

Looking back at your initial reply it certainly wasn't the most  
inflammatory I've seen, but I feel that we as a group should be more  
thoughtful in our responses to people. 

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From: Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu (Brian K. Sward)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Help for a Yes newbie
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:16:56 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <hjv.721921814@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>
hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:

> Fragile          - The first 'symphonic Yes' album. Mildly interesting. Has
>                    some very good tracks (which probably justify purchasing
>                    it) and some very weak ones...

First, It isn't the first symphonic sounding album.  You forgot _The
Yes Album_  One of my favortites.  Both it and Fragile are really good
starting points.  I don't know what "very weak tracks" you're talking
about.  If it happens to be Five Percent for Nothing or Cans and
Brahms, then why are you poo-pooing an album for 2 songs, the longest
of which is 1:35?  If its South Side of the Sky, then we just have
difference in taste. 
> 
> Relayer,
> Close to the Edge  - Buy them both - immediately. My absolute Yes-favs. Two
>                      of the best albums of this century...

While both are great albums, however, neither is a great starting
album.  I'd reccomend _The Yes Album_ or _Fragile_ or (gasp!) _90125_
especially if you liked _Big Generator_.



Brian K. Sward
Dartmouth College
brian.sward@dartmouth.edu
"Don't ask me
I'm just improvising" - Rush
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Subject: Re: Genesis
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:02:12 EST
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

 mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec) writes:


>As I understand it, Hackett decided to leave during the mixing of the
>_Seconds Out_ live album. 

	Yes, he said he cannot stand hearing "Squonk"
	anymore. Sometimes I tend to agree...
	Genesis after Gabriel left had many fine points,
	but the general feeling (and the sense of purpose)
	was completely lost (well, altered :).
	
	Misha.
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From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Genesis
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:18:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.102435.21174@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>In article <clopez.02m5@weird.miami.fl.us> clopez@weird.miami.fl.us (Carlos Lopez) writes:
>>When I hear old Genesis on classic rock radio
>>stations and then the new stuff on top 40 radio or VH-1, I always think the
>>same thing...what the hell happened to them.
>
>Gabriel left. Unfortunately neither Gabriel or Genesis has been as good since.
>(Though at least Gabriel shows promise).
>
>Michael Traub
>BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

I disagree... I think Gabriel's material since is absolutely brilliant.
I also think that the two albums after the Lamb... (A Trick of the Tail
and Wind and Wuthering) are very good and still have a very progressive
and arty feel to them. Then Steve Hackett (the lead guitarist) left and
then there were three... (-8  Thus begins the move by Phil Collins to
creatively dominate the group and cash in/sell out to the tune of
millions of dollars.

Anyone who doubts this should check out Steve Hackett's _Please Don't
Touch_, _Spectral Mornings_ and _Defector_ albums. These are all
terrific albums and sound more like Genesis than anything from
_and then there were three_ onward...
- Mike

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From: kelly@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Erasure-esque/Abba-esque
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:17:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Jeff Jungblut (jeffj@crash.cts.com) wrote:
: In <1992Nov13.161258.3930@risky.ecs.umass.edu> narkiewi@risky.ecs.umass.edu (J. David Narkiewicz) writes:
: 
: >We could argue if Erasure is progressive or pop (same goes for Depeche), but...
: >As we all know, Erasure has a nifty CD out of 4 covers of Abba tunes,
: >aka Abba-esque.  A friend told me about a song he heard on the radio.  It
: >seems that Erasure put together a bunch of Abba sound alikes and cut a CD
: >called Erasure-esque containing the equivalent of Abba remakes of Erasure
: >songs.  Then again, he could have been pulling my leg.  Anyone hear of this?
: >I phoned a record store and it was a no go...
: 
: >-- 
: >J. David Narkiewicz,   narkiewi@umvlsi.ecs.umass.edu
: 
: It's called Erasure-Ish, and contains Abba singing "A Little Respect" and
: Stop".

I am reluctant to jump in, since this is not a question that should be in 
a.m.p, but `Erasure-Ish' is not by Abba, but by Bjorn-Again, who are Abba
clones.

Ian

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From: blindsay@bmerh9f5.bnr.ca (Brian Lindsay)
Subject: Re: New Crimso Box Out!!!!
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:47:32 GMT

In article <malcolm.722212463@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) writes:
>>>It is concentrated entirely on the 73-74 years, and is all live.
>>>the recording qulaity is excellent, compared to the slipshod
>>>recordings of the bootlegs of that era. I won't go into a track
>>>listing, but I'll give the essential details..
>>>
>
>>AIEEEE!!!!   No track listings!?
>> 
>I don't have track listings but [...]

Is there no one out there with a bit of time to
post a track listing? Some of
us are dying of curiousity and the thing hasn't shown up
here yet! Thanks!
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From: chyde@pecos.ads.com (Clinton Hyde)
Subject: Re: Help for a Yes newbie
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
	<hjv.721921814@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:42:54 GMT


;;Fragile          - The first 'symphonic Yes' album. Mildly interesting. Has
;;                   some very good tracks (which probably justify purchasing
;;                   it) and some very weak ones...

i'm curious--which ones do you consider weak?

as someone else noted, you left out The Yes Album. you also left off
Yessongs, which is also excellent.

the other guy didn't put Close to the Edge at the top...I would, it
was the first thing of theirs i ever heard, and I still like it.  i''d
put Topographic Oceans second, Yes Album third, Yessongs fourth...

i haven't listened to Relayer for a while, not sure where i'd place
that. guess I need to go home and play it...

 -- clint
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From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Help for a Yes newbie
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:47:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

In article <JIMBO.92Nov19104306@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> jimbo@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Jim Winters) writes:
> > >what would be the next CD I should buy?
> 
> Andy> 	From your article, you really enjoyed the later Yes, 90125 and
> Andy> _Big Generator_.
> 
> If you want to get further into Yes, starting from 90125 and Big
> Generator as a base (as opposed to starting from their earlier stuff
> and working to the newer stuff), then I would recommend Drama.


Definately find yourself a copy of _Drama_.  It's still in my top 3
Yes albums list (behind _Close to the Edge_ and _Going For the One_).
It would be a good transition album from the newer, top-40 Yes to the
symphonic, older Yes.

Kevin



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From: rmf@chopin.cs.columbia.edu (Robert M. Fuhrer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Another UK question?
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:45:51 GMT
	<1992Nov15.044621.26388@cs.mcgill.ca> <1992Nov15.045738.26551@cs.mcgill.ca>
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Columbia Univ.

Anyone know what Eddie Jobson is up to these days? Last I heard of him was a CD
I picked up a couple of years ago called "Theme of Secrets" (good stuff, but
not necessarily for UK fans, since it's all Fairlight/Synclavier synth work)...
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-- Bob
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Giles Giles and Fripp
Keywords: Cheerful insanity
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:14:57 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <s0499528.8.0@let.rug.nl> s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis) writes:
>Resently I read something in an old issue of Record Collector about "The 
>Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp being released on CD. Has anyone 
>seen it?

Seen it and Heard it. Unless you know the album and love it already, my
reccomendation would be: Save your money

There's very little here that in any way, shape or form resembles Crimso.
Only for a serious collector or fanatical completist. It's a Japanese
import, by the way.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
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From: michaell@snake12.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: Giles Giles and Fripp
Keywords: Cheerful insanity
Organization: /usr/lib/news/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:28:33 GMT

In article <s0499528.8.0@let.rug.nl> s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis) writes:
>Resently I read something in an old issue of Record Collector about "The 
>Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp being released on CD. Has anyone 
>seen it?
>
I own it.  It's from Japan, I think it's on Decca....let me check...

It's officially on the Deram label, and it's made in Japan.

It might not be too easy to find...who knows?

Michael

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From: ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger)
Subject: Re: Genesis
Organization: Ada Joint Program Office
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:57:36 GMT

In article <98514@netnews.upenn.edu> worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Worth) writes:
>In regards to Genesis' transition from art rock to more commercial (basically
>starting with ATTWThree), I disagree that Phil "took over the reins" once 
>Hackett and Gabriel left. It was a decision made by all three members of the 
>band to move into more accessible songs. Two great quotes come to mind. One is

I agree with this point. Someone earlier mentioned that they had heard the
reason Hackett left was because the band wanted to go more commercial. I
always heard that it was because he didn't feel his work was getting enough
exposure within the context of the band. Perfectly understandable, and a
good reason to leave (for him). My sense, however, is that his departure
opened the door for Genesis to become more commercial, and IMO hurt the
band artistically.

>Rutherford in an interview when the interviewer asked why they were moving into
>commercialism. Michael replied " We've made art for 10 years; now we're going 
>to make some money." Now, not to sound like a newbie, I love old Genesis, and 

A stronger statement supporting the "Genesis has sold out" point of view, I
have yet to hear.

Jim
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From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Help for a Yes newbie
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:50:14 GMT

rda582y@nella4.cc.monash.edu.au (C.J. Ray) writes:

>I know this is probably one of the deadly sins but I am 22 and am only *just*
>'getting into' Yes.

Well, I suppose things like this _can_ happen... :)

>what would be the next CD I should buy?
>(And yes I probably will get them all in the near future :)

That depends quite a bit on your preferences. I'm a real 'old Yes' fan - from
the time the covers were made by Roger Dean, and stopped being interested
after Tormato - and esp. the later Yes (owner of a lonely heart) is IMO
horrible, compared to their older work.
So if you're, like me, into the 'classical symphonic' stuff (old Rush, Genesis,
King Crimson, Gentle Giant, UK, etc.) then the following may be a useful
advice... (this list is neither complete nor chronological - I type this
from memory, so...)


Age of Atlantic,
Time and a Word,
Yes              - 3 of the first albums. Not too symphonic yet, and esp.
                   interesting for the 'real fan' who wants to have a complete
                   collection. Some tracks are quite interesting though, but
                   IMO not as starters, since it's not 'typical' Yes.

Fragile          - The first 'symphonic Yes' album. Mildly interesting. Has
                   some very good tracks (which probably justify purchasing
                   it) and some very weak ones...

Relayer,
Close to the Edge  - Buy them both - immediately. My absolute Yes-favs. Two
                     of the best albums of this century...
Tales of Topographic Oceans - Some love it, some don't. I do :). Contains 4
                     15-20 minute symphonic pieces - the record has a sort of
                     'meditative' mood. It makes the impression of being less
                     complex that the previous two, although this is -in a
                     sense- only an _impression_. Not a 'starter', but you
                     should definitely buy it one day.
Going for the one  - The last Yes-record that really 'got' me. After buying
                     Relayer and Close to the Edge, this is the third to buy.

Tormato        - Just don't buy it. You'll regret it.

.... after Tormato I somehat lost track of what they exactly did. What I
heard of it, didn't really impress me...

Last year they released 'Union'. If you're a real die-hard Yes-fan, you
should buy it of course. But it's a bit of a disappointment IMO. Sounds
somewhat like the older Yes, but with a 90ies-flavour I don't like too
much. A decent record, but nothing very spectaculair.

Hope this is of any help,
Hendrik Jan

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: progressive?
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:21:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.230404.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>  
cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> 
> Any band who has at least one member that has worked with Steve Howe 
> is what I use as a "working definition" of progressivity.
> [...]
>      But, then I would also have to say that the Buggles were
> progressive....  :-)
>
 
And GTR... :-)

Gordon
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From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Jane
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:57:29 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Sun Microsystems

I have finally been able to get my hands on a few Jane releases :-)
I have only seen Together, Lady, Fire Water Earth & Air, and a
couple of live albums, but from the tracks on the live albums there
must be quite a few other releases.  Does anybody have a discography,
partial discography, any information ?????

Thanks,
Bob

ps: What is story behind the Live '89 ?  Was it a one-time reunion or
do they do the Deep Purple thing and get back together every 5 years ?
Live '89 is an excellent album, btw.

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obCDplayer: Jane, Together
From: craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Traffic, info asked...
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:04:36 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp. Annapolis Junction, MD

Betcha money the disk you are looking for is "When The Eagle Flies"
and the track was "Dream Gerrard". Lotsa Mellotron and synths, jazzy
bass solos? Good luck on finding it on CD, as it is only available in
the US as an import (although my copy, from Germany, was pressed in the
US!!!)

Or, perhaps, now that I think of it, what you are in search of was
Stomu Yamashta's "supergroup" effort, "GO". This (and the live "GO" release)
had Winwood on vocal/keys, Klaus Schulze on synths, Al DiMeola on guitars,
Michael Shrieve on percussion and many others. There was a heavy PFloyd
influence on this release and is well worth seeking out. Unfortunatly,
none of the "GO" releases are available on CD to my knowledge. BTW, avoid
the "GO 2" release like the plague; it is the worst disco-pap vomit that
even the stellar cast can't justify it's purchase for, even it you get the
LP for free  (I really hate it, especially the string sections, BLEECH!!)..

Hope this helps!

Regards,

Craig Shipley

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From: redsonja@src4src.linet.org (Red Sonja)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Yesshows
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:41:51 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

I am kicking myself for having left Germany (where I was stationed) without
getting Yesshows on CD. I thought I'd be able to get it here in the US, but
can't find it ANYWHERE!!! Can someone point me in the right direction??

Thanks!
 
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