Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:14:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.233408.29558@fuug.fi> an7955@anon.penet.fi (a.committee.of.real.tibetans) writes:
>In article <93Jan24.141758est.150@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> you write:
>>I wonder since during 1950-51 the PLA routed the local Tibetan forces,
>>entered Larsa, and since they obviously are ruthless bunch of liers and
>>murderers like you said, why bother negiotiate an agreement with
>>Dalai Lama?  why not shoot him then and there, since Tibet had nothing
>>to negoiate with?  While at it, why do the Communist put PanChen Lama
>>back on his rightful Throne which his peer Dalai took away from him
>>and force him into exile?  or they can get rid of Dalai, dethrone
>>him and his supporting nobles, like Yuan, Qing dynasties did it
>>before, and install some other wet-behind-the-ear 2 year old,
>>(come to think of it, how to you prove the current Dalai or the
>>way before him the "real" living budda?  didn't the Qing Emperor(aka "invader"
>>got rid of the "real" one a couple of re-incarnations ago?  if
>>so the current one is a fake!  ;-> )  
>>and "God-King No. 2"  Panchen be his teacher by right & tradition, they 
>>ought to brain-wash the little brat to be very grateful to Panchen 
>>and loyal to his "chinese invaders".   
>>
>>oh, how stupid the the "invaders" are, allow both Dalai and Panchen
>>to keep their titles, and travel aboard to India freely in the 50s,
>>continue have influence in government, hesitate on land reform,
>>fearing it would really piss off the nobles(which they later did), 
>>which is the real power behind the boy god-King.   
>>
>The writer conveniently overlooks the very basic fact that the Dalai Lama
>and 80,000 to 100,000 followers fled Tibet when the invaders took over Lhasa.
>
you also conveniently overlooks the 8-year laps between PLA entered 
Lhasa and Dalai's fled to India in 1959.  During the time Dalai even
traveled to India, and returned to Lhasa by himself.   

>Further, the Panchen Lama spoke out against the Chinese regime toward the 
>end of his life.  He died of mysterious circumstances shortly after he started
>to speak out.  
>
He did criticize certain things, in my opinion it was within the CCP 
toleration limited, and he generally echoed the party line.  He did 
cooperate with CCP from the start, or even previous chinese regimes or 
the muslim warlords in QingHai who were too fragmented and weak
to help him when he and his previous incarnation exiled there.  As I 
remember he died suddenly in a religious ceremony of heart problem i think.  
There's not that much mystery around it(rumours also say that he was secretly 
married, and his widow is a Han has high level connections with top brass
in Beijing, and was feuding with them after he died over her status.  
It's only a rumor, the CCP is quite tide-lip about it, believe or not, it's 
your choice).  His death the last thing CCP wanted, and came at a bad time.  
Panchen was the only counter weight to Dalai, he worths much more
alive then died, the rest of the old Tibetan nobles simply don't
carry as much weight.  and the CCP agonized how to produce the next panchen, 
as a atheist party they really hate to do it, but at the end they decide not to 
piss off the believers by appointing or selecting some other high priests 
and to start the reincarnation search to find some 3 year old somewhere
on the plateau.  now, why do they kill him first(a well planned & sneaky one 
obviously to make it look like a accident in a public ceremony), and then 
scratch heads and torning their hair 'cause they lost the No. 1 counterweight 
to Dalai, and had no idea how to replace him.  The invaders are not that stupid,
are they?   
 
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