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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:17:03 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 260

In this issue:
                                Tsongas
                               ON Pizza?
                    An ovum with a view of two wombs
                     `Intro to Gay/Lesbian Studies
                             confusion....
                   Correction on Wildmon Info Address
                          down in the dumps...
                               Edward II
                           Andrew Card's cat
                            wellesley dance
                    and out of the blue, women too!
                            Jakob in Seattle
                            anonymous sender
                       Corrections to Letter....

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:29:55 -0400
From: Jennifer Anne Pyne <hobbes@bach.udel.edu>
Subject: Tsongas

I've heard that Tsongas may "unsuspend" his campaign.
If Tsongas can get 14% of the popular vote in New York
, he said he would reenter the presidential race...

wot does it all mean...

I think our system of finding leaders for our country is
outmoded, outdated, antiquated and needs to change...

are there any leaders in the world today???

why not spend all the money, time, and effort spent on all this
campaigning hoopla on something more constructive and productive???

enough of my complaints for now... Yes, I know.  I should stop
complaining and take action. la la la la la la

jen (hobbes)

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 17:06 EDT
From: BEPSTEIN@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: ON Pizza?

Oh yeah...."But pizza isn't gay..."
Well...I say...."It depends on the pizza"

How do you KNOW that you haven't EATEN a gay pizza?

ANyway....

What about green pepper?

MM mm good.

bme

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 17:07 EDT
From: BEPSTEIN@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: An ovum with a view of two wombs

That's what I thought....but i wasn't sure if female B would only
"only" be considered a surrogate mother since she is part of the couple.

Thanks.

bme

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From: MAC@hup.ucla.edu
Date:     6 Apr 92 14:17:33 PST
Subject:  `Intro to Gay/Lesbian Studies

The following is an excerpt from "The UCLA Lesbian and Gay
Faculty/Staff NETWORK" Newsletter, and is reprinted without
peermission.

    "About 150 students seemed to fill Rolfe Hall 1200 on Jan. 6,
1992, for a historic UCLA first: the class `Introduction to Gay and
Lesbian Studies,' taught by...
    The atmousphere was both warm - as gay and lesbian students
openly greeted eachother with embraces and kisses - and seroious as
they settled down for the first thought-provoking lectures of this
long-awaited class....
    The class is described as `an introduction to the study of
Lesbians and Gay men as a social group and sexual orientation as a
catagory of analysis...Course topics include minority status, gender
roles, multi-cultural and historical contexts, religion and
spirituality, aesthetics, and community and culture.'"

    The class, offered under the umbrella of the interdisciplinary
area of Gay and Lesbian Studies, was not funded by the University.
Instructors donated their time, and the Women's Studies Program
provided support.

    For further information, I bet Peter Hayashida ( a college
counselor, steering committee member of the NETWORK, and GALA staff
liason) would be most helpful.  Try him at PETER@HUP.UCLA.EDU.

    Mac Phillips

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 15:36:15 MDT
From: Rob <r_adkisson@ACADEMIC.MIT.EDU>
Subject: confusion....

In response to the anonymous sender:
Have you ever considered the possibility of *bisexuality*??  I know that on
this net it seems to be a big debate lately.  But, it seems to me, that a lot
of bis go through a period of gay relationships upon discovering their homo-
erotic feelings....  It sometimes takes a little while to "discover the new
toys" as a friend of mine once said to me.  ----just a thought------
--Rob (R_Adkisson@Academic.cc.colorado.edu)

For you who are just coming out; you are neither the first nor last to journey
along this uncommon and wondrous way.  Still, you are extraordinary.  Welcome.
--James Carroll Pickett

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 17:40:54 EST
From: John.M.Vore.1@nd.edu
Subject: Correction on Wildmon Info Address

Greetngs!
I sent the wrong address with the second post about Wildmon coming to Notre
Dame.  You can send it to:  mvore@darwin.cc.nd.edu.  Sorry and thanks for
your help.
--Michael

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:59 EST
Subject: down in the dumps...
From: An Anonymous Sender

last night i dreamt,
   that somebody loved me
no hope no harm,
   just another false alarm
last night i felt,
   real arms around me
no hope no harm,
   just another false alarm
just tell me how long,
   before the last one
and tell me how long,
   before the right one
this story is old, i know
   but it goes on
this story is old, i know
   but it goes on

                -Morrissey

****************************************************************

I'm through with love I'll never fall again.
say adieu to love don't ever call again
for i must have you or no one
why did you lead me to think you could care?
you didn't need me you had your share
of slaves around you to hound you and swear
with deep emotion, devotion to you
I've locked my heart, I'll keep my feelings there
I've stocked my heart with icy frigid air
and I mean to care for no one
good bye to spring and all it meant to bring
it can never be the things it used to be
for i must have you or no one

                        -Marilyn

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Date:    Mon, 06 Apr 92 20:24 CDT
From: TPOWEL@NOMVS.LSUMC.EDU
Subject: Edward II

David Ehrenstein, film critic for _The Advocate_, had this
to say about "Edward II":

"'Edward II', film-maker Derek Jarman's masterful transformation
of Elizabethan era playwright Christopher Marlowe's drama of gay
love and straight intolerance into a queer-power manifesto, was
surprisingly popular with Sundance [Film Festival] audiences."
(p. 79; March 10, 1992).

In the current (April 7, 1992) issue of _The Advocate_ Ehrenstein
writes:

"...[Jarman] has made his most dramatically effective work
and a film that cuts to the heart of what the gay and lesbian
movie revolution is all about."

Jarman has recently published a book about the film: _Queer
Edward II_.  Ehrenstein quotes Jarman: "It is difficult
enough to be queer, but to be queer in the cinema is almost
impossible.  Heterosexuals have fucked up the screen so
completely, there's hardly room for us to kiss there.  Marlowe
outs the past -- why don't we out the present?" (p. 79).

Currently, the film is in limited release.  I'm looking forward
to seeing it when it makes it here, though.

Another discussion of "Edward II" and director Derek Jarman can
be found in Issue 174 of _Christopher Street_.  Bob Satuloff
writes in an article entitled, "I Just Called to SayI Hate You":"'Edward II' is
visually elegant; its exquisite compositions,
beautiful lighting, and imaginative modern costuming can't helpbut impress; but
the overall experience is stultifying,claustrophobic, and mean-spirited."  Satul
off also notes, "...
the destruction of the king and his consort is clearly meant to
represent the battle to the death between openness and repression,
heroic homosexuals and dastardly heterosexuals, good guys and
bad guys."  (p. 4)

"Edward II" is currently in limited release; you can bet I'll be
first in line when it makes its way here to New Orleans...

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:52:50 EDT
From: jeff@millie.loc.gov (Jeff Mallory)
Subject: Andrew Card's cat

Greetings, Andrew and good luck with yer school survey. There are folks
from several of yer campuses that post here regularly. I can't help
much with yer quest, _but_ the cat paws in yer .sig were hilarious!!!
Thanks, it made  my day. Good Luck!!

Jeff Mallory
jeff@millie.loc.gov

P.S. The cherry blossoms here in DC have peaked! The leaves are out now,
all the buds have popped open and there are bashful shades of white on
down many of our streets! Made a perfect backdrop to the Choice March
yesterday... a GRAND event!

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From: whitneyh@Athena.MIT.EDU
Subject: wellesley dance
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 22:59:06 EDT

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Subject: Wellesley Women's Party!!!!!!!!April 10 -- 9:00pm
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 92 00:17:55 EST

Gamit Women,

Wellesley Lesbi's called me to ask if I could spread the word to "all cool
lesbians" about their upcoming dance/party.  There will be Tifts women,
Radcliffe women, perhaps some Holyoke's/Smithy's and of course MIT/Wellesley!
It is a women's only party (leave the boys at home! :) and Liza promised it
would be lots of fun!

So, it's on Friday, April 10, 1992 at 9:00 pm in the Schaeffer Library.
Schaeffer is a dorm in the Wellesley Quad -- very easy to get to -- anyone
can help you once you make the campus.  Senate bus (to Wellesley) tickets
are sold at the coffee house or you can get directions from me if you want
to drive.  All women are invited, so spread the word -- tell you friends.

If anyone has any questions or needs more info or directions, you can call
me at 225-8518 or email to;  bigrunt@athena.mit.edu

Hope to see you there!
Tina Garrett


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Date:    Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:43:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: NICKELSRJ@RASCAL.GUILFORD.EDU
Subject:  and out of the blue, women too!

        Hello, anonymous sender.  I am writing primarily to say that there is
absolutely nothing unusual with what you are feeling.  There are plenty of men
in the world who go for years (decades even) with feelings for just one gender,
only to discover one day that something unusual catches the eye.  Also, I need
to say that recognizing your feelings absolutely does not make you "straight."
I have plenty of feelings for women, general and specific, sexual and emotional,
and I am *anything* but straight.  There are lots of things to be aside from
just gay and straight, believe me.
        On the other hand, I can see why you're freaked out.  I mean, to get
settled in a community, establish yourself, etc., only to have it all rattled
about is frightening.  My only advice to offer is to be honest with yourself
about your feelings.  Act on them if it will be good for you.  Come out as being
attracted to both sexes if you can, to people you trust.  If you want, and have
access, you might want to investigate a bisexuality group near you.  I don't
know where you are, but if you need addresses or contacts, I can probably get
them for you.  Don't closet these feelings - they are no less real than same-sex
attraction.  If you deny them, I guarantee they will plague you.  Don't feel
confined by them, or intimidated; find other people you can relate to and work
out the issues this raises.
	If you need to talk, write me personally.

	good luck,

	--rj    (nickelsrj@rascal.guilford.edu)

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 11:51:21 PST
From: cp77043@csunix.csie.nctu.edu.tw
Subject: Jakob in Seattle

(Sorry to other netters. Please ignore this!)

Jakob, I got all your msg but all my replies to u were rejected. I've PASSED
the test. Pls ask anyone to check if anything's wrong with your mail server.
Could you possibly get a Bitnet account? Email me & i'll keep trying to reachy
you.     --Kickhong

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Date:         Mon, 06 Apr 92 22:57:38 MST
From: Gabriel <G9348712%NMSUVM1.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      anonymous sender

To the person who "doesn't want to be straight" but is fantasizing other-gender
sex:

You are the only one who knows what you need or want.  And the voice inside is
the only one you can trust to know the truth.  If there is someone you are
interested in, you need no one else's permission but hers/his and yours.

Gabriel

You know a society is in trouble when it says hate is normal and love is queer.

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From: Mathemagician <bevans@carina.unm.edu>
Subject: Corrections to Letter....
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 0:50:11 MDT

Jeff Jones posts a letter from Ken Dawson.  I would like to make a few
corrections to the myths and misconceptions it states:

> VIOLENCE - Bias-related violence in our society is increasing at all
> levels, including vicious attacks on gay men. However, women and
> girls have historically been the primary victims of male violence.

Wrong.  The primary victim of male violence is another male.

Too, the implication is that there is no complimentary violence against
males by females.  This, too, is wrong in many instances.  In domestic
violence, females beat males just as often and just as violently as
males beat females (and yes, I do have the stats to back this up.)
Males are murdered by females just as often as females are murdered by
males (and yes, I do have the stats to back this up...this has been
known since the 40's.)

No, females are not beating males "in self-defense."  One-quarter of
domestic violence situations are male-on-female only, one-quarter are
female-on-male only, and the remaing half are the two beating each
other.

> FAMILY RIGHTS - Courts often deny lesbians custody of their children,
> stating that a lesbian mother is incapable of being a fit parent.

I would also point out that courts often deny fathers custody of their
children, stating that a father is incapable of being a fit parent
merely because of his gender.  A father has to prove that the mother
is a real and present danger to the children in order to have a shot at
getting custody.

> INCOME - Women continue to be paid less than men - 69 cent on the
> dollar. Imagine if your salary were reduced to 69% of its current
> value. This economic reality, combined with more subtle effects of
> sexism in the work place, puts women at a severe disadvatage in
> providing for themselves and their families.

This statistic is misleading.  Women, as a group, are indeed paid less
than men, as a group.  Would it surprise you to know that women, as a
group, do not work in the same manner that men work?  Would it
surprise you to know that women, as a group, are more likely to work
fewer hours per week, fewer weeks per year, fewer years over a
lifetime, and fewer jobs at once than men, as a group?  Would it
surprise you to know that a woman with the same job history as a man
earns 93-95% of what a man earns...98-100% when starting salary is
taken into account?  Would it surprise you to know that black women,
as a group, earn 1 dollar for every 69 cents white women, as a group,
earn?  Is that because of discrimination?  Would it surprise you to
know that the man's income in a domestic arrangement is still
considered to be "more important" than the woman's?  Thus, the family
will move when his company transfers him...meaning that his income will
rise while she'll have to start all over again.

Yes, I have the stats to back this up...the same study that, at the
time (1984), said that women earn 59 cents for every dollar men earn
showed every single point I made above.

Will people misinterpret this posting?  No doubt.  They will
immediately claim that I am denying the experience of women, that I am
implying that discrimination against women doesn't exist, etc.  They
will be as far from the truth as they could possibly be.  What I am
saying that what people consider to be a "woman's" problem is often
not a problem affecting just women.  What people consider to be a
"lesbian's" problem is often not a problem affecting just lesbians.

I am quite impressed by the outpouring of work the lesbian community
has made with regard to AIDS and HIV.  Nothing anybody does or says
can deny that.

-
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary

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