From: hbm@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Hasan B. Mutlu)
Subject: Re: The 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' 'kucukucus' Would Like 'Tamamidis,' I Think.
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:47:52 GMT
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<1992Aug19.030540.14896@ddsw1.mcs.com>
karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)

>>>However, it would appear from the logs posted that Ahmet Cosar forged a
>>>message so as to appear to have came from you.  
>>
>>And the best evidence you can find is second hand hearsay from an
>>unnamed source. Is it really your intent to make such a statement?

>Certainly.  Appearances are just that; appearances.  However, they do not
>prevent me or anyone else from drawing conclusions based on the apparent
>information presented.

I am forced to disagree with you. If you have some confirmable source that 
is not known to the rest of the world, I for one would be glad to hear of 
it.

>>>All I am interested in (for
>>>curiosity's sake; I'm certainly not upset if you want others to post in your
>>>name or likeness) is whether you agree that he did this with your knowledge
>>>and consent.
>>
>>What evidence is there that he did it? Furthermore, what confirmable
>>evidence does 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM provide? 

>C'mon; drop the actionable words here.  If you want to refer to someone 
>as "Zap*" I can understand; with the lack of pronouncability or even 
>spelling of some of the people on the net, I can understanding using the 
>"splat" as a wildcard.  The adjective is un-called for.

That's the whole point you invariably miss. 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM
has grossly violated the 'US copyright law' and the 'US criminal law' and 
he will be entertained accordingly.

>>May I ask what Cosar's 
>>purpose would be in conducting such a poorly designed experiment? What 
>>would the conclusions be, depending on the outcome? In the proper context 
>>of event, this is intellectually and morally dishonest. 

>That is the reason for my inquiry.  Many have infrerred if not outright
>stated that they believe you are not posting all of the material yourself.  

Here we go again. If you think that this clears things up for me or
anyone else, you must also believe that aliens from outer space 
come to earth regularly and abduct 'Arromdian/Kerenian/Hallamian'
for medical experiments. There is stronger evidence for that you 
know.

>I'm asking whether or not it is true!

If that does happen, look out the window and see if there is a new star in
the east.

>>>My interest here is in whether the article cited really did originate at
>>>anadolu, 
>>
>>Absolutely.

>Ok.  The rest of the what you replied to is then irrelavent.

You make me laugh, Karl.

>>>'or if it was forged to >appear< to have come from anadolu.  
>>
>>The statement is blatantly wrong. 

>It wasn't a statement, it was a question.  (sheesh)

More ridicule. I am not willing to expend the effort required in order
to prove a point. Since you seem so happy to put the burden of proof
on the one who is making the point, I would suggest that you make the
effort.

>>>I'm interested (for academic reasons) in whether or not the article cited was:
>>
>>>1)	From you, and vectored through Ahmet's machine for traffic control
>>>	or other reasons.
>>
>>Right on the money.

>Ok.  Matter settled.  But I'll comment on the rest since you chose to as
>well.

Be my guest.

>>>2)	From Ahmet, forged to appear as if from you, with your consent.
>>
>>Sorry, but your argument falls flat on its face. No sign exists nor has
>>it ever existed.

>No argument made or conceived.  This was one of three possibilities.  The
>item was stated as a question.

From the content in my articles, I still fail to see how you could have
made such a conclusion/question. I must confess a curiosity.

>>>3)	From Ahmet, forged to appear as if from you, WITHOUT your consent.
>>
>>A fabrication of 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM.

>Again, and one of three possibilities, and asked as a QUESTION.

Then please refrain from this.

>>>I can draw any of the above conclusions from the evidence.  There isn't
>>>enough there to >know< what happened.  That is why I asked.  
>>
>>You can assert whatever you want; my articles speak for themselves.

>I am not asserting anything; I was (for the hundreth time) ASKING! 

But it does have the effect on other 'wieneramus.'

>>Why not? I use several ways to post my articles.

>Understood and well-known.

Fair enough.

>>>are corrupt (and what reason would they have to be?), or Zap* has changed
>>>the logs (possible, but no evidence for this) it does indeed look like Ahmet
>>>Cosar either originated or forwarded a mail message intended to be posted as
>>>if it originated with you. 
>>
>>They all originate with me. Your statement above is thus false.

>Its not a statement; its a QUESTION!  Sheesh!

A misleading question.

>>>Whether it did originate with you is the point, and if it did not, was this
>>>with or without your knowledge and consent?
>>
>>And it did originate with me. 

>Good enough.

Fine.

>Touchy these days Hasan?

Sorry, but the word is not in my dictionary, Karl.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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