From: dkletter@adobe.com (SUGAR in their vitamins?)
Subject: Re: Music
Organization: Flying Esophagus Productions
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.053022.22933@cco.caltech.edu> ctorres@cco.caltech.edu (Chon David Torres) writes:
[ some cruel, low stuff... ]

>read the FAQ and learn something new,

why would you say something so rude as this? and especially, why
would you do that and have the gall to insinuate that you speak
for everyone else who reads rmi?

you don't speak for me.

and what could you have possibly accomplished by insulting someone
and being so insensitive to their ignorance except make one more
person feel alienated?

it really offends me the way you and so many of the rest of you
on this list have the tendancy to want to be the biggest asshole
that you can be. when David Vessell (a good friend of mine) started
this list up, it was so that people who knew something about industrial
music could share some info, make reccommendations about records
to try out and generally have some stimulating conversations. what do
we have here now? a lot of people yelling and cursing at the other in
an attempt to outdo each other with being so loud and obnoxious.
the people like me, who used to post up reviews and information are
mostly gone or won't get involved any more.

are you proud of that accomplishment?

there is practically NO more real information or conversations going
on around here any longer. what are you and all the rest of the complete
assholes on this list going to do once you've killed, insulted and
totally alienated all the people who could have made worthwhile and
important contributions? what are you plans to do then?

you are no better than Hitler.

why couldn't, instead of insulting that person, couldn't you have
pointed him to the FAQ by passing on a copy? or giving it your best
shot by explaining what you consider industrial music to be in a
PRIVATE email.

instead, you had to humiliate him in public. what greater purpose
did that serve, other than point out to me that you are amongst the
biggest assholes who ever lived? why couldn't you just be friendly?!

i am tired of the way people act like children around here. i am
tired of the way people force their dogmatic opinions down people's
throats like a relentless mantra. i don't want to hear it anymore.

it is YOU and everyone like you who is the true poseur.

you are no better than the religious nut who comes to my door
on weekends hoping to indoctrinate me.

you force your verbal diharea on me and then tell me that if i
do not agree, then i am a fool. what kind of idiot do you take
me for?

before you take my entire message, twist it around and make use
of it in your bizarre freakshow of verbal abuse take about three
minutes to think about what i've said. if you still don't agree,
then fuck it. trash me. i won't respond. if you realise what kind
of asshole you've been, send me an email. heck, send the guy you
just insulted an email and apologize. put aside your pride an apologize.
and the next time you encounter someone who's ignorant but wants to know
more, if you feel the urge to get involved, either [1] give real
info, [2] tell them to talk to someone like me, Al Crawford, Jon
Drukman, David Vessell, Mason Jones, etc. or [3] don't do anything
at all. just ignore it and wait for someone who is better able to
answer, to give the right answer.

i hope you'll try it.
hasta.

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