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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:48:13 -0400
Reply-To:     "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
From:         "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
Subject:      Tiny Tafel

Here's my first attempt at a tafel:

N Jennifer R. Amon
A 45 Hume Hill Drive
A Amherst, OH 44001
T (216) 988-4592
C 9600/B/K
D 3/MAC/ANY
F REUNION
Z 22
A550 1789*1992*Amon\MercerCo, PA/Amherst, LorainCo, OH
B163 1778*1778*Bovard\
B255 1650*1856*Buchanan\Scotland/MercerCo, PA
B650 1744*1764*Brown\Neward, NJ
C145 1840*1992*Caplan\Lithuania/Dover, DE/Baltimore, MD
C640 1820*1820*Caroll\
D300 1655*1816*Dodd\Guilford, CT/Mendham, NJ
F420 1807*1942*Foulk\PA
F616 1784*1992*Farver\MercerCo, PA
F634 1840*1936*Friedlander\Lithuania/Dover, DE/Wilmington, DE
F655 1700*1748*Freeman\England/NJ
H200 1837*1992*Hayes\Dover, DE/Wilmington, DE/Marco Island, FL
H240 1832*1942*Heasley\
H500 1791*1840*Honey\MD/DE
I524 1715*1782*Insley\SomersetCo, NJ
R000 1711*1757*Roy\Bernardstown, SomersetCo, NJ
R200 1702*1745*Riggs\"Doddtown" Newark, NJ
R240 1750*1750*Russell
R560 1700*1717*Reimer\NJ
S315 1700*1731*Stevens\Guilford, CT
S362 1700*1886*Stright\NJ\MercerCo, PA
S530 1680*1700*Schmidt\
W 13 OCT 1992


        Jennifer R. Amon                BAMON@OCVAXC.BITNET
        Amherst, Ohio                   bamon@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu

********************************************************************************
RESEARCHING:
  AMON     (Switz.)             DODD        (PA)                BROWN    (NJ)
  FARVER   (PA)                 FREEMAN     (England)           INSLEY   (NJ)
  HEASLEY  (PA)                 HAYES       (DE)                RIGGS    (NJ)
  FOULK    (PA)                 HONEY       (DE)                ROY      (NJ)
  BUCHANAN (PA, Scot.)          CAPLAN      (Lith.)             REIMER   (NJ)
  STRIGHT  (PA)                 FRIEDLANDER (Lith.)             STEVENS  (CT)
  RUSSELL  (PA)                 CARROLL     (PA)                BOVARD
********************************************************************************
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Recording Place Names
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:55:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw874p.zA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

MCBRAYER@SMC.BITNET writes:

>Joe Gardner-JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU wrote:

 >>similar problem I've sometimes puzzled over: how do you record events
 >>that took place away from home?

  >I think I'd put down the location of the paperwork for births, deaths,
  >etc, and any discreprancies (ie, "he made his home in XXXXXXX, but died
  >in YYYYYYY while on a fishing expedition") can be put in as notes.

Absolutely!  It took me a year or more to figure out why I could find no
record of my maternal grandmother's family in Illinois.  I easily
established that she was born there, but had no idea where her family came
from.  I finally managed to contact a relative who remembered that the
family was only in Illinois for a very brief period until they returned to
their roots in Ohio.  Now it's back to the soundex & census records, but at
least I know where to look.  The point is, I'm making _very_ detailed notes
on this so that future generations won't hit the same brick wall that I did.

 ========================================================================
 |             Don Wiggins     wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu              |
 |----------------------------------------------------------------------|
 |Researching WIGGINS, STALEY, HALL, BIRKHIMER, MCINTIRE, STEPHENSON,   |
 |REED, COWDEN, ELSON, ALBIN, JENKINS, GREENTREE, PREBLE, TEAGARDEN,    |
 |HUNLEY, (and for my wife): CHANCE, PARK, MUNRO, BRANDON, DIETRICH     |
 ========================================================================
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: A first Tiny Tafel
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:22:32 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

Deon.Strydom@p16.f1.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Deon Strydom) writes:

>In a message of <Oct 02 21:11>, Fred Rump from home (5:7104/2) wrote to All:

> FRfh> N W. Fred Rump
> FRfh> A632 1809:1809 AERTKEN\Muenster,Westf,GER
> FRfh> A300 1730:1730 AYOTTE

>You asked if your TT was correct - it's fine except that each line should have some location info, even if it's USA, or Europe or World!  The Tafel Matching System won't accept it without location info.

Ok, that message has come thru loud and clear but let me follow up on the 
tafel thing.

I am still confused as to the functionality of the locations and the mechanics 
of sending updates.

Among all the respondees to my query no one has really answered questions as 
to either subject matter.

Let me give a simple example: I was looking for Winkes of Brooklyn because 
that is what an obituary told me about where to find the fellow. I had entered 
that information in my TT as that was all the info I had. After searching high 
and low in Brooklyn, NY, it turns out that they meant Brooklyn as a section of
South Baltimore and the man/family probably never even stepped foot in New
York City.

Now how does this info get back to the keeper of the tafels?

I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time and there must be a way for 
tafel information upgrade. But then I don't know if my tafel was ever even 
merged into some humongous whole. One hears nothing from the keeper.

Second, what is the recognized 'system' of naming locations? I would think 
that one should start with the smallest known locality like a village or 
community of people and progress up the line to ever larger and more familiar 
territory. I also presume that this is done with the names and political 
division OF THE TIME, the way the people knew it to be then. 

Now, if any international matching is ever to be done, in which language 
should this be handled. It is one thing to say IOWA, another Niederstift 
Muenster or Kirchspiel Steinfeld or whatever. Of course, in Germany this gets 
extremely difficult to establish descent matching locations because of the 
constant political change over the centuries.

I would think that a 'system' for locations needs to be developed that is 
similar to a GEDCOM standard. Something like the internet map coordinates or a 
worldwide scheme that everyone would adhere to as a standard.

Any answers or thoughts on the matter?

fred
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: fam.hist.ctr in Germany ?
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:45:58 GMT

eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>In article <399*hadenfeldt@chemie.UNI-HAMBURG.DBP.DE> Sven Hadenfeldt <hadenfeldt@CHEMIE.UNI-HAMBURG.DBP.DE> writes:

>>   I wonder if somebody knows of a LDS Family History Center in or
>>   near germany.

>If you are looking for German records, I'm not sure that you would
>find them in an LDS family history center in Germany.  Most of the
>German microfilms I get from the LDS say that they are not to be used
>in Germany.

As Jim said, too many laws. They are a little bit overly cautious there with 
their privacy laws when it comes to computerizing anything. When I mention 
that I have all this on my computer, I often hear 'but isn't this against the 
law?'

There is still something to the old saying that too few people question the 
reason for the laws. I wish Germans were a bit more rebellious and not simply 
accept everything as 'that is the way it is'. 

I'm going over there now to teach them to say: WHY :-)

fred
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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:30:03 EDT
Reply-To:     Fred Romelfanger <fred@STSCI.EDU>
From:         Fred Romelfanger <fred@STSCI.EDU>
Subject:      Carpenter files from GENIE
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I am looking for someone who has access to GENIE that has or may be willing
to pick up a file.  I am unfamiliar with the way GENIE operates, so if
connect charges are a problem, we can probably work something out.  Anyway,
the file I want is:

Library: 5 - Family Histories

  No. File Name             Type Address      YYMMDD Bytes   Access Lib
----- ------------------------ - ------------ ------ ------- ------ ---

 1892 CARPENTER                7 M.MAGREE     891015   12600     14  11
      Desc: Rehoboth Mass., early 17th Cent.


If you have the following one also, I will take it, but am not looking
for anyone to go to the trouble of picking it up from GENIE.

  993 CARPENTER QUEST          7 P.DESILVA    880601   12600     22   5
      Desc: NE Carpenters I am looking for.

                                -- fred@stsci.edu
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:27:51 -0400
Reply-To:     "(Carol Botteron)" <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
From:         "(Carol Botteron)" <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Boston Area Genealogical Resources - New Version
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

About a month ago I offered to email people my file of Boston area
resources.  Several of those who got it offered additional information,
which I have added in.  If you would like this file, and don't have
the October 11, 1992 version, send me email and I'll send the file.
(Sorry, no diff file; I do this by hand.)  Then if you have something
to add, we can start all over again.  B-)

Carol Botteron   botteron@bu-it.bu.edu   botteron@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Ed Mertes)
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Subject: Re: Old Photo from Denver
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:29:25 GMT
Reply-To: Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
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My 1st Quarter 1992 Pocket List of RR Officials lists:

Denver & Rio Grande Western R.R. Co.
P.O. Box 5482
1515 Arapahoe St.
Denver, Co  80217
(303) 629-5533

Listed as Dir. Person.-Labor Rels. is:

Paul B. Kingsolver     (303) 595-2541

I believe that they recently either merged with or were taken over by
another railroad, possibly either UP or SP but the above addresses should
still be good.

Ed

PS.  Another possibility would be National Railroad Historical Society.  I'm
sure there is a chapter in the Denver area.  If you are interested I will
try to find thier address at home.




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Ed Mertes    7746 Suffolk Ave.  St. Louis, MO  63119    (314) 647-8847
mertes@stl-07sima.army.mil
mertes%st-louis-emh2.army.mil@vm1.nodak.edu
bh736@cleveland.freenet.edu
usr9223a@tso.us.edu

Researching: MERTES DREILING RAWE STUMP/STUMPS/STUMPF JACCOD GIRARD GRAF
             DEPAUL/DIPAULO REINACHER PLOESSER/PLAZIER CANTER
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From:         DEIS@ZODIAC.BITNET
Subject:      Hesse's Emigration Records

Hello All,

     Jennifer Montague-Post asked whether Hesse "kept its own emigration
records" and Jim Freed (JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU) suggested that answers be
posted to the group.

     I believe that the records mentioned are the ones which are
available from the FHLC at one's nearby Family History Center on
microfilm.  I haven't heard any stories involving prompt and informative
responses from Hessian archives to queries of this sort -- but you can
order the microfilms and hunt around for yourself.

     Unfortunately when I tried these films a few years back looking for
a JACOBI line of my wife's, I encountered some of the most impenetrable
old German handwriting I've ever seen, and I've seen lots of church
books.  Maybe government officials had less interest in "clear"
handwriting than local priests and parsons did.  I can't remember
exactly what the situation is on indexing or organization -- probably a
glance at "The Source" or perhaps Larry O. Jensen's books on German
research would tell more about how data would be accessed.  I seem to
recall a loose A, B, C organization.  I didn't find the people I was
looking for.

              Frank   DEIS@ZODIAC.BITNET   FRANK.DEIS on GEnie
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From:         JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Rejected Mail?

Over the last week or so, when I've sent messages to ROOTS-L, I've
received back messages that the mail has been "rejected by CEO".  AND
this message is always received AFTER a first message indicating successful
transmission to the net.  This last time I copied down where the rejection
message is coming from and it states "op@dg-rtp.dg.com".   Have all the
others of you who have sent messages to the net also received back
"rejection" messages as well, and what is the explanation and what do we
do about it?
--Jim Freed, Delaware, OH--
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: It once was Austria but now is Poland ...
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:21:26 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (mark r rauschkolb) writes:

>My Great-Grandfather was born in an area called Galicia, that was
>at that time part of Austria-Hungary.  It is now South-West Poland.

>How should this be recorded.  I can't accurately say he was born in
>Poland, but if I say he was born in Austria, people think of today's
>Austria.

I think the best way is to use the name and political description of the time. 
To do otherwise would be most confusing to others who work in the same 
timeframe and location. 

fred
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Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
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From: gardner_c@apollo.hp.com (Cal Gardner)
Subject: Re: How to send a SASE to CANADA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:31:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <16051@mindlink.bc.ca> Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) writes:
>> Bob Boisvert writes:
>>
>> Msg-ID: <19288.9210061434@csar.encore.com>
>> Posted: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:34:09
>>
>> I know.. I know.. We've been over this before but I forgot to write it
>> down...... I would like to send a request for information to a county
>> in Ontario, Canada.  How can I send them postage so they don't get stuck
>> with my postage bill?
>
>Two options.  The easiest way is to go to your local post office and get an
>International Postal Reply Coupon (I think that's the right name for these
>things!)  Simply send that along with your letter and the recipient will be
>able to trade it in for a stamp at the local Canada Post office.
>
>If you're writing to Canada regularly, it might be a whole lot easier for you
>to buy a packet of Canadian stamps and use those on your SASEs.  Easier for
>you, you'll look more organized, and the people you write to won't have to
>trek down to the Post Office to trade in your international coupon.
>
>As Canadian stamps aren't generally available outside of Canada (except for
>collectors' editions) you'll need to make arrangements with a Canadian if you
>want to get Canadian stamps.   If you decide to do this, send me e-mail.
>I'll volunteer to buy them and send them to you if you want to send me the
>money for that.
>
>One last thought: our local genealogical society has stacks of foreign stamps
>available for sale to members.  You might find that your local genealogical
>society does the same, so check them out first if they're nearby.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>--
>
>==========================================================================
>Christine Code                 *
>                               *  "A bear, however hard he tries,
>Vancouver, B.C, CANADA         *   Grows tubby without exercise."
>Christine_Code@MindLink.bc.ca  *                   -A.A. Milne
>==========================================================================

Canadian Postage stamps are obtainable in the US 
from Canada Post's collectors service located 
in Antigonish (sp?) Nova Scotia.  Let me see if
I can dig up the exact mail address when I get
home.  They will accept Visa and Master Charge,
and I seem to recall that they also have a US
800 number.

It is even better than the US stamps by mail
service in that there is no service charge
over and above the face value of the stamps
for orders over a small (like $5.00) threshold.

Cal  gardner_c@apollo.hp.com
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From:         "Brian Abernathy" <cba@EWS002B.ATL.HP.COM>
Subject:      Ted Abernathy
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I want to thank everyone for the great response I got on my question about
Ted Abernathy.  I have contacted the Baseball Hall of Fame, and they do
have his currrent address.  They wouldn't give it to me (of course), but
did tell me that they will forward any correspondence to him.  That was
exactly what I needed!  Thanks again, everyone!

                                        Brian Abernathy
                                        Hewlett-Packard Company
                                        Atlanta Response Center
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From: suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick)
Subject: Everton's On-line offerings - A Review
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:59:03 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


About a week or so ago, I promised a review of Everton's on-line offerings.
First, to subscribe, call 800/443-6325 and ask for the computer systems
group.  I don't have my price list in front of me, but you can get 6 month
subscription for about $79 (~$13.25/mo) and a 12 month subscription for about 
$119 (~$9.95/mo). 

Without subscribing, you can dial in once for 6 minutes worth of time.  The
number is 801/752-6095.  You will first have to go through a survey which
takes a little time to complete, so go fast.  ;-)

I bought a 6 month subscription using my credit card over the phone and since
I called before 2:00 CST, I was able to log in that night.  You get 30 minutes
of time per day, and may call every day if you wish.  I don't know how many
incoming lines they have, but I did get a busy signal a few times.  If this
becomes a persistent problem I will (and encourage everyone else to) call and 
register complaint.

There are four databases which can be accessed (more on this later).  You can
also access their product catalogue (computer HW/SW, forms, etc) or their
card catalogue.  I'm not sure what that's all about yet, but I read somewhere
that Everton's has a library from which we may check out books.

The databases include:  Roots Cellar I, Roots Cellar II, Family File I, Family
File II, and Search Pedigree of someshuch.  More databases are promised to be 
on-line in coming months.  The search interface is consistent across all 
databases and is very easy to use.  It's also very fast, as promised.  All
in all, I'm very happy about this.

That's as much as I know at this point.  I've sent out 10 or so letters in
the last several days based on info I found.  We'll see what happens.  

As I said before, I bought a six-month subscription.  I'd like to share
the subscription with anyone who might be interested.  Please email me
if you're amenable:  suplick@convex.com.

Happy searching,
Jean

suplick@convex.com
From: pimentel@earrth.enet.dec.com (John Pimentel)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Announcing CMAPUG (Central Mass PAF User Group)
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:59:27 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


As to the multiple postings, when trying this from ROOTS-L the mail kept
bouncing back, finally after removing the tabs it went through and was
posted and as I type this follow-up yet another mailing is coming back 
from op@dg-rtp.dg.com... so something is amiss in NC.

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The opinions expressed are my own.  No rights are granted to take them out of
context nor do they represent the views of my employer, whomever it might be
for the moment.
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From: Deon.Strydom@p16.f1.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Deon Strydom)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Various subjects
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:49:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: catpe.2561.2AD328CD
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7104/1.16 - The Catalyst BBS 1, Port Elizabeth

In a message of <Sep 28 21:30>, In the event of an emergency call.. (5:7104/2) wrote to All:

 Iteoaec> Appended at the end of this message is the "current" list of 
 Iteoaec> systems carrying the Tafel Matching System.

 Iteoaec>                             TMS NODE LIST 8/08/92
 Iteoaec>                             ----------------------

Hi,
You left out one TMS site here.  

Here in Africa I'm running a TMS node (ID = RSAA).  It's not connected to the USA or Europe TM systems as Bill Korroch told me that it's not possible to connect continents at the moment.  The main aim of this TMS site is for research connected in some way with Africa, but other TT's are also entered.

The System is run standalone (i.e. not connected to a BBS), and TT's and matches are received and sent both via email and normal post.

Groetnis (=cheers)
Deon


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