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From: pierce@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gregory M. Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Robert Jordan's, "Shadow Rising" *SPOILER USAGE*
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:51:27 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci


Just a quick reminder to those reading Jordan's new book.  Please take pity
on those of us who don't want the novel ruined for us by indicating the
presence of possible spoilers in the subject line, and by liberally using
them CTRL-Ls (or lots of blank lines).

It's hard enough to avoid paging through it in the bookstore :-).

Thanks,
Greg
-- 
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State University of New York at Buffalo	     Dept. of Computer Science
INTERNET: pierce@cs.buffalo.edu              BITNET: pierce@sunybcs.bitnet
From: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
Date: 29 Sep 1992 04:22:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) says:

>Anybody read the now-he's-dead-so-let's-cop-a-quick-buck-before-the-corpse-
>cools version of _The Puppet Masters_?  Just interested to see if it is 
>worth a)  the $X.95 for a copy and b)  the time to read it.  Not in that
>order, incidentally.

I have read the uncut version of _The Puppet Masters_. I, personally, liked
it. If you read and enjoyed the original (cut) Puppet Masters, you
definately want this one. It is over twice as long with many new plot
elements, etc.
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Female writers Re: Science Fiction Age
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:06:36 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

agapow@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Paul Michael Agapow) writes:

>Technically it's correct. But as a statement it implies something that is
>not true : that there was a clear majority. 52% is not by anyones terms a
>clear and obvious majority.

Well, as long as we're being nit-picky technical, 52% is by MY terms a clear
and obvious majority, since it happens to be greater than 50%. But I said
that last time, too. So unless you want to go off and define me as "not
anybody" (therefore nobody) you are AGAIN wrong. You can't go off and
redefine the facts to fit your preconceptions (again).

>Or to put it another way, if there had been
>one less female winner, they would be a minority. 

But there wasn't. So the point you're making is silly. Not to mention
irrelevant and non-factual. 

Hell, for that matter, if we'd taken one of the female authors and replaced
it with a weird editorial by an alien anthropologist, we wouldn't have SF
Age, we'd have Aboriginal SF. And taht makes about as much sense as what
you're saying. Define your opinions any way you want. Just don't try to make
facts back them up when they don't.

And now that we've beaten this into the ground until it squealed, off to
somethinguseful.

>Moving on to important matters bandwidth is far better spent on, i've just
>finished Dozois' "Years Best SF". i await with interest Davids review of
>it but overall it left me with the impression of a very quiet year in SF.

Yeah. Quiet. Slightly below average as far as quality. 

>it seems that the anthology is full of borderline fantasy

Scratching at the boundaries seems to be a fadlet these days. I know I do it
in a lot of my writing, and I'm not alone. 

>Next on the list are "Best of Pulphouse" and "Full Spectrum 3". Perhaps my
>impression will change after them

Probably not.

-- 
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From: cg533@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James Eugene Alloway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: HELP!
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:37:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Help!!! I am trying to find a hardback copy of MirrorShades by
Bruce Ster,ling, and I am having no luck on the net or in bookstores.
Any information you can give would be appreciated./   Thanks.

Gene
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From: baum-cjb013@email.comm.mot.com (Joe Baum)
Subject: Re: author'n'title...
Organization: Motorola_Communications_LMPS
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.213242.21458@newshost.unh.edu>, clc@kepler.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep28.183203.14991@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
> >
> > hello! I remember reading a book a long time ago about some dude going to
> >another planet keeping contact with earth. during his going over the surface
> >he heard a voice saying something like "my brains for yours!", and this slime
> >mold thing did something to him. back on earth he was able to transform to
> >some kind of wolf-like creature, and he was hunted. this is all I remember.
> > does any of this ring a bell? does anybody know what book this is??
> >any replies appreciated!
> 
> Yeah.  It was called _Foundation._  I think Piers Anthony wrote it.
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^ `````````````
-<Junk Deleted>-
What?!?!?!?!? _Foundation_ is an ASIMOV (notice...not ANTHONY). I don't recall 
Anthony undertaking such a broad scope of political machinations in any of his
works. Piers appears (say that three times fast) to deal with his stream of
consciousness on a personal level instead of a sampling acrossed the breadth
of humanity.

Zzzzoootttt! Thanks for playing, Don Pardo, tell him what he's won.....

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: _Winds of Change_ by Mercedes Lackey (spoilers now)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:45:54 GMT

ri0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Iswara):
>The new (or is it reinforced) heartstone will be more than enough
>as a powersource for the mages.

A heartstone, being a sort of domesticated node, is a powersource for Adepts.

Have you noticed, btw, how cheap Adept status has gotten?  In earlier 
books, a mage-gifted student spent a decade or so learning enough to
achieve journeyman status.  (We're told at one point that they don't
learn weapon skills because there simply isn't time.)  Then they have
to go out into the world to gain the practical experience needed to
work up to Masterclass and Adept, over a period of years.  Now we have
Elspeth ("your mind-magic lessons gave you a good grounding in the
basics") becoming an Adept over a period of a few months.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.


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From: mehers@rutile.enet.dec.com (Damian Mehers)
Subject: Re: julian may
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:26:17 GMT


Talking about Julian May, does anyone have any clues as to the identity
of 'Fury' from JTB?

Hows about Felice/Cullaket, with a dash of Victor ...

Damian
From: rebekah@netcom.com (Rebekah J. Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Paul Hazel
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:02:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Hullo All,

  I just got today a galley copy of Paul Hazel's forthcoming novel,
_Wealdwife's Tale_ from Avon.  I've never read any of his stuff before and
the proof offers no info whatsoever.  Has anyone out there read him?  Is he
any good?  What kind of style does he write in?  I know he's released at
least one fantasy trilogy (I believe _Yearlong_ was one of the titles and
the third book had "Summer" in the title.)

I throw my questions into the vast cesspool of knowledge that is the 'Net! ;)


P.S.  If anyone else got the galley, do you have any idea what the "Apology"
is supposed to mean?
--
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|        rebekah@netcom.com                 |   --Lewis, AIW                  |
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From: ELKOWITZ@LENORE.TCH.HARVARD.EDU (Resistance is Futile)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Tasteless lack of imagination
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:25:42 GMT

> Lackey is one of the authors I think of as a "second generation fantasist".
> There are many fantasy authors today who grew up reading science fiction
> and fantasy and not the works in which the books they read were grounded.
> The result is almost a consensus fantasy universe.  The map changes from
> author to author, specific trappings may change, but most fantasy settings
> are far more similar to each other than tenth century Italy was to twelfth
> century England.  The clothing is generic-medieval unless we're told
> otherwise, the technology is generic-preindustrial, though the sewers work
> unless we're told otherwise, the economic infrastructure is virtually
> non-existent, except when peasants are expected to pay taxes, etc.

Yes.  And with all of the imagination of a knock-off television show.  Which
probably explains the popularity of fantasy novels _and_ television.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: ptm57791@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Patrick T. Murzyn)
Subject: Re: Recommendations??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:47:25 GMT

jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.171520.15007@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cpeckham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Peckham) writes:
>>Hi,
>>Can anyone out there recommend some good sf/f stories and authors
>>which investigate any of the following:
>>
>>1) Unusual/questioning relationships between _good_ and _evil_

>Michelle (?) Sagara's Children of the Blood series.
>C.S. Friedman's latest book, the name of which I cannot remember..

I think the title you're looking for is _Black Sun Rising_, if she hasnt
put out any books after this one.  I, too, would recommend this one.  Now,
when's the sequel coming out...?

					- Patrick Murzyn
					 ptm57791@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Qool LeGuin Essay (was Re: _Winds of Change_ by Mercedes Lackey (no spoilers))
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:09:30 GMT

In article <1a0c50INNcf2@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>Anyone know where I can find this?  Bound, preferably, with
>Delany's equally-scathing essay on LeGuin; but anything will do.

OK, now where can I find that, too?
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: mab@wdl39.wdl.loral.com (Mark A Biggar)
Subject: Re: Books I Love to Hate (e.g., Orbital Resonance)
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:58:31 GMT

In article <1166@tdat.teradata.COM> swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen) writes:
>In article <1ad8hgINN3lp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes:
>|
>|Have you read the original ending to _Podkayne_? You should LOVE it... :-)
>
>O.K., that's the second time I've seen a reference to this.
>
>What is this *original* *ending*!

She goes back to save the Angel, the bomb goes off and she dies.
The epologue in by her brother who survives.

--
Mark Biggar
mab@wdl1.wdl.loral.com

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From: scudder@bluemoon.rn.com (Richard T Sanford)
Subject: sorry
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 20:44:58 EDT

Sorry about the meaningless postings under my name, I had a friend here 
who was "helping" me with some stuff. He was typing usless messages. 
teribly sorry.

 This is from
     scudder@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
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From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Chanur Series
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:27:42 GMT


I just finished C.J. Cherryh's second book in the Chanur Series,
"Chanur's Venture."  The book ends abruptly, without a resolution
of the "events" (don't want to say too much for fear spoilage).
In effect, the story ends with the climax.  This is not a cliff-
hanger, it's an unfinished story.  In fact, the last line is an
editorial note saying that the story is continued in the third
book, "The Kif Strike Back."  Fortunately I had already bought the
third book, and could continue reading without interruption.

My question is, do you suppose that "Chanur's Venture" and "The
Kif Strike Back" were originally one book, and that someone (Cherryh?
An editor? DAW Books?) decided it was too long, and had to be split?

There's another oddity here, one that may be a part of the mystery.
The second book, "Chanur's Venture," has an "Appendix" that describes
all the member races of the Compact.  Seems to me this belonged in
the first book, "Pride of Chanur."  So between the second and third
books we have an appendix that probably should have been part of the
first.  (Confused?  I am.)


Any thoughts/comments/revelations?

BTW, I'm thoroughly enjoying these books.  They're good reads.


Mike Lynch
mdl@oscar.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: merritt@milton.u.washington.edu (Ethan Merritt)
Subject: Re: Shock wave rider
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:34:55 GMT

In article <7467@lib.tmc.edu> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:
>>It's called a Theremin. I saw one once in a music store here in the early
>>seventies. Most of us have heard the instrument - it was used by the Beach
>Boys
>>in "Good Vibrations" for that high-pitched background figure.
>
>I should have described it. It's a box with two metal plates mounted at angles
>on posts. I think one was for pitch and one for volume. You controlled them by
>changing the distance of your hands to the plates.

However, you missed the opportunity to push this argument for precendence in 
invention back a half-century.  The Theremin is named for some mad physicist/
musician back when electricity was young and people were trying to figure
out what it was good for.  There's a theremin in the Smithsonian, and another
in the Franklin museum in Philedelphia which you can actually try hands-off
(as it were), both from the 20's I believe.

					Ethan A Merritt

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
From: spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:48:00 GMT

Curtis Yarvin writes...
>SubGenius writes:
>>
>>So, the dream-dialect in _Finnegan's Wake_ existed before Joyce set it down?
>>Quite facinating.  Do tell where it is that folks speak this dialect;  I'd like
>>to spend a holiday there.
> 
>Oh, dear me; I thought you were talking of Irish dialect.  As for dream
>dialects, I would think it obvious to anyone of spherical skull and
>convolute brain how different that is from Hoban's misspelled English,
>but apparently I've underestimated your disingenuity.

+----------------------------------------SubG----------------------------------+
..at which point I say that I would think it obvious to anyone of spherical
skull (whatever the hell that means) and convolute (or convoluted as the
case may be) brain who has bothered to read the novel whose literary style
they're slagging that Hoban's dialect is not just "misspelled" English.
+----------------------------------------SubG----------------------------------+

>>Conversely, it's interesting to learn that Burgess created the Russian tongue
>>along with a large parcel of Polish.  Wait 'till my grandfolks hear about this.
> 
>Uh, new to English.  A 'droog' isn't exactly what we think of when we say
>'friend.'  I'm not sure if it's what a Russian thinks of when he says
>'droozhny,' but I don't speak Russian.  Neither do most of Burgess' readers.

+----------------------------------------SubG----------------------------------+
Oh, dear.  You've dropped into the royal "we."
But, as you appear to be in full retreat on this point, I'll forebear further
comment.
+----------------------------------------SubG----------------------------------+

>>This might qualify me for the 1,000 metre conclusion-jump, but that sounds
>>like yer implying that you haven't even bothered to read the novel that
>>you're criticising.
> 
>Well, you might beat out Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards.  But I think you'd
>do better with the deja-vu vault; I started this discussion with a
>quite-explicit question about whether the book was good or not,
>and how Hoban's literary techniques worked.
> 
[deletia]

+------------------------------------------SubG--------------------------------+
"Quite-explicit question about whether the book was good or not," with which
you apparently supplied a "quite-explicit" answer a priori.  Seems like a bit
of futility, mate:  "Why don't you give me your honest opinion on this here
book what I haven't read but you have so's I can contradict you loudly and
with authority."

Make you a deal:  You go and read the novel in question, and I'll go back and
read your post in question, and let's see who turns out to be "wrong."  

[insert loud cartoon "boing!" noise whenever someone on r.a.b. uses words like
 "wrong," "right," "good," "evil," and "bodacious mamalian protuberances"]







Yours etc.,




SubGenius


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From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (douglas brod)
Subject: Re: Next Rama Book
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:34:25 GMT

In article 27793@leland.Stanford.EDU, spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
>Douglas Brod writes
>> Does anyone know when Arthur C. Clarke's next Rama book will
>> be out?
>> 
>
>Well, if the Ramans do everything in threes, there shouldn't be  
>another.
>
>--
>-
>Stefano Pagiola
>Food Research Institute, Stanford University
>spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)

When I first read Rama II, the endflaps or introduction mentioned the names of three more books in the series.  I don't remember the title of the last book in the series.  The most recent book ended on a very depressing note.  Nicole De Jardins/Wakeman (sp?) was imprisoned, the colony was going down the tubes, etc.  It screamed for an ending.  Maybe someone else out there knows what I'm talking about.

As for the "Books in threes" comment, I have two things to say:
1.  Maybe it should be "sequels come in threes".
2.  Arthur C. Clarke is not a Raman.

Doug Brod
dbrod@eng.clemson.edu



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From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Subject: Re: Linguistic SF
Reply-To: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:41:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep21.204824.22869@unixg.ubc.ca> turkel@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Turkel) writes:
>
>Does anyone want to construct a list of SF in which linguistic matters
>play a central role?

  There was a James Tiptree, Jr., novella whose name I don't remember
which appeared in an early 80's (I think) issue of Asimov's which
dealt with the issue of teaching an alien race a pidgin of one's own
language.  The pidgin was rather well done, I think.

  This may have been collected in THE STARRY RIFT--it was definitely
set in the same universe.

  Does anyone remember the name of the story?

Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 15:16:02 PST
From: Thomas Hyer <IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Author Polls: Walter Jon Williams (REPOST)

Welcome to the author polls.  This week's author is Walter
Jon Williams.

INTRO to AUTHOR POLLS  (skip if you've participated before):

   Since no two readers can generally be expected to agree
   about the quality of a given author, an overall poll
   like that used in rec.arts.movies would be useless
   except as an incendiary.  However, there is often good
   agreement about which books by a given author are most
   worthy: thus this poll.

IF YOU MISSED AN EARLIER POLL and want to contribute, please
   feel free to DO SO.

BALLOT FORMAT  (read this once):

   You have four votes, one each at +3, +2, +1, and -1. You
   may vote for a work of any length, though you may wish
   to restrict yourself to the form in which the author was
   most prolific.

SAMPLE BALLOT (just a reminder):

   + 3 <vote for at most one work>
   + 2 <vote for at most one work>
   + 1 <vote for at most one work>
   - 1 <vote for at most one work>

SEND BALLOTS TO THIS ADDRESS.  If you prefer multiple choice,
you can obtain fairly complete bibliographies by anonymous ftp
from gandalf.rutgers.edu, in /pub/sfl/authorlists.

LAST WEEK'S RESULTS (abridged):

Fritz Leiber
------------
 Big Time                          +  12
 Conjure Wife                      +   9
 Wanderer                          +   7
 Our Lady of Darkness              +   6
 Swords and Deviltry               +   6
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 Gather, Darkness                  -   2

PREVIOUS AUTHORS (for listings, EMail to this address):
Roger ZELAZNY
C.J. CHERRYH
Jack VANCE
Philip Jose FARMER
Larry NIVEN
Robert A. HEINLEIN
Robert SILVERBErg
Isaac ASIMOV
Poul ANDERSON
Fritz LEIBER
Frederick POHL
Gordon R. DICKSON
Cordwainer SMITH
Philip K. DICK
Samuel R. DELANY
John BRUNNER
Ursula K. LEGUIN
Orson Scott CARD
Theodore STURGEON
Stanislaw LEM
Harlan ELLISON
Clifford D. SIMAK
David BRIN
Arthur C. CLARKE
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb)
Subject: Tolkien ?
Organization: stfold Ingenirhyskole
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:28:33 GMT

Does anybody know of a newsgroup concerning J R R Tolkien, his life and work?
I would like a discussion on both his "professional" and "leisure" books.
If no group is dedicated to Tolkien, could we start a discussion here?


Roasted				I think this Door is home alone......