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From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins holdouts
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:55:46 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

In article <1992Aug18.141934.28748@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, paul@austin.ibm.com writes:
> 
> 
> Well, I heard that yesterday the Redskins told their three holdouts -
> Lachey, Green and Howard that they had until midnight (Monday) to accept
> their respective offers; otherwise, those offers would go DOWN (hardball).
> 
> Any news?
> 
> -- 
> --- The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM Corp. ------
> R. Paul Wadehra                                 Graphics Subsystem Development
> paul@wadehra.austin.ibm.com                 IBM Advanced Workstations Division
> (512) 838-1132  T/L 678-1132              11400 Burnet Road, Austin, TX  78758


	I heard that Washington offered Desmond enough money to make him the
second highest paid Redskin, and HE TURNED IT DOWN!  The guy's never even taken
a snap, this shit is getting truly ridiculous.
	There's also suppose to be some sort of fued between Leigh Steinberg &
the GM for the 'Skins.  So Desmond & Lachey may be caught up in that thing.

walter
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: New York Giants
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:16:47 GMT


Hello, does anyone have any info regarding the Giants?


Thanks..

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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: EAGLES trade?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.161323.17177@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25337-buoni) writes:
> Any good trade rumours going round (besides the FAT fridge) to help beef up
> the EAGLES defensive line?  They really need someone who can stuff the run.
> Golic is a good lineman, but he's no Jerome Brown.  Without a quality 
> replacement I fear they are going to be shacky agains the run.  Any comments?

There is no doubt that the Eagles defense has been hurt by the loss of
Jerome Brown.  And no one player is going to be able to make up for
that loss.  But the Eagles defense still has some of the best players 
at their respective positions,  Reggie White and Clyde Simmons on the
defensive line, Seth Joyner at outside linebacker, and Eric Allen on
the corner.  So the defense is not going to be that suspect.  It would
be nice to have another performer on the DL, but it isn't critical at
this point.

As for the Fridge, talks between the Eagles and Bears are at a standstill.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Edge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steve Bono saves the day
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:08:18 GMT
Reply-To: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: baja.corp.sun.com

In article 25228@menudo.uh.edu, st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:
>In article <16n4g8INNko4@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>>
>>
>>I hope today's game against the Redskins makes it very clear to Seifert that
>>Bono, and not Steve Young, can SCORE! Young can throw, and sometimes far, but
>>he cannot score in a game. Drop him. Get a better place kicker or line backer.
>>
>   Time and time again it shows that the receivers are much more comfortable
>with Bono.  His game-winning drive reminds me of Montana too.
>
>>
>>That's my  two cents.
 
>Edward Hui

   I think the niner receivers do better with Bono because he is 
   right handed just like Joe.  Young, being left handed, puts a
   different spin on the ball and when avoiding the rush, Young
   runs the opposite way as Joe and Bono.  
   
   Young is a great QB and athlete but he's not the best #2 for
   the niners.
   
   Brian
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings blow out KC
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:39:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <1992Aug17.134632.215@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.071011.14582@news.stolaf.edu>, alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes...
>
>>That's right, the lowly Vikings defeated the Chief (Super Bowl favorites) at
>>the Dome tonight by the score of 30-0.  You read correctly. 30-0.
>
>Don't get too excited.  The Packers beat the Chiefs soundly in week 1. 
>Either the Chiefs are sandbagging it or they have major problems.
>
>>I bleed purple.
>
>You owe me $1.  :-)
>
>John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
>
>"If there's something wrong with the computer, it's sophisticated diagnostics 
>will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
>part, is dark and lifeless." - The Adventures of Lone Wolf Scientific

Hey, John, did you read my entire post???

I commented many times that it was still preseason...Maybe you just didn't see
that.

Even so, I still have faith in my Purple.  Can't wait till preseason week 4 at
RFK.  That should be a good judge of how far the Vikes have come...

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

I bleed purple.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:35:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>
>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>
>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>     Ron Brown           Raiders
      ^^^

Uhhhhmmmm.  I think Ron took off to be President of the Democratic National 
Party.  The others I think are running for Congress.

>     Ty Detmer           ????????
>
>
>any others you can think of ??????
>-- 
>*****************************************************************************
>Jeff Bokenko                       CONFUCIOUS SAY:  "He who fishes in another
>bokenko@beethoven.cs.colostate.edu           man's well, often catches crab."
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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:52:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.223233.10889@parc.xerox.com>, fishkin@Xerox.com (Ken Fishkin) writes:
|> > In article <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
|> >I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
|> >SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.
|>     No question:
|> 	The "muff" rule on fumbles.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Ken Fishkin	fishkin@xerox.com

     How about the excessive celebration rule?  Remember when  Dennis Thurman
and his Thieves ( COWBOYS )  walked through the REDSKIN's playing patty-cake
in the endzone?  That was fun!  I like to see the player show enthusiasm for
the game.
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh v. Eagles results
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:51:54 GMT

In article <0eV87Ca00WDKM1D_ch@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Pittsburgh was losing 35-6 at one point. However, in the fourth quarter
>O'Donnell came into the game and threw three touchdown passes. The
>Steelers still came up just short, though. The final was Eagles 35,
>Steelers 33.
>
>Wish I could've seen it..... (I was stuck at work)
>
>--Vernon.

Wish I could've seen it also, sounds like a real thriller, I love games that go down
to the wire, even preseason. I watched O'Donnell play last year and was impressed
with him. Looks like you guys have a keeper there. Would've liked to see Randall
play also I heard on ESPN that he looked real good. I'd like to see him return to
form it would be a shame to see someone with that great a talent lose it to a knee
injury. I really hated to see Billy Sims retire from a knee, my all time favorite
runner with Earl Campbell a very close second. I may live and die (mostly die) by
the Dolphins but I appreciate great football talent and Randall definitely is that
and given a chance O'Donnell may become one.


John T.
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Hurricanes and Dolphins, my favorite weather phenomena and aquatic mammals, oh
and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: No Draft Next Year?!
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:41:57 GMT

gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
>There is no reason to suspect it won't hold up. 

Read any news report about the McNeil trial and you'll see a different
opinion.

>Even now the NFL is drafting people WHO AREN'T IN THE UNION yet. 

First of all, there is no player's union now -- they decertified after
the 1987 strike.  What we do have is the leftover of a collective
bargaining agreement.  Once that thing is over, the draft can be
challenged in court.  From what I've been reading in connection with
the McNeil trial, such a challenge is expected to be successful.

You are definitely wrong when you say that the NFL can just ignore the
whole thing.

>When
>a player signs, they agree to the legality of the draft, the owners
>can simply put the same language in the contract. 

They cannot "simply" put it in the contract and expect anybody to
agree.  Maybe you think that the players and their agents are fools,
but some of them actually know what a contract is and when they're
being bamboozled.

>A draft after the expiration of the contract is just as legal as
>before, since those being drafted never signed the contract. 

I am afraid that you don't know what you're talking about.  It has
been stated again ang again, by people more versed in sports labor law
than you and me, that without a new CBA, next year's draft will be
very easily challenged in court.



--Gidi
From: ward@max.cchem.berkeley.edu (Ward Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lion news - 8/18/92
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:14:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: max.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <Derek_Juntunen.06oz@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
>looked pretty good most of the game, aside from his fumble.  And I was very
>impressed with Byron Sanders (is he related to Barry?).  The guy looks like
>an exact clone of Barry Sanders, with a few less moves.  

Byron Sanders is Barry's older (I think) brother.  He played in college at
Northwestern (which is probably why you've never heard of him).  I think he
turned pro the same year as Barry but hasn't done so well.

					Ward Thompson
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:20:31 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug18.055542.1523@abode.ttank.com>, eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes...

>Sorry to do a repost of the entire article, but I figured some people may not
>know what the heck I was replying to if I cut it all up. After reading the
>replies from the original post I find that the person who made the replies
>basically just hates the Cowboys and figures if he trashes everything that
>someone says about the Cowboys that he will walk around with a smile on his
>face for the rest of the day.

I am going to start saving these messages so that every time a Cowboy 
fan whines about someone being a Cowboy-basher I can post a list of 
all the other people accused of the same thing.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
From: jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Team Leaders (Points) 1991
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:50:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


	1991 Team Leaders, Points

		AFC

Buffalo		110	Scott Norwood
Cincinnati	 96	Jim Breech
Cleveland	 81	Matt Stover
Denver		112	David Treadwell
Houston		 64	Ian Howfield
Indianapolis	 59	Dean Biasucci
Kansas City	110	Nick Lowery
Raiders		116	Jeff Jaeger
Miami		121	Pete Stoyanvich
New England	 49	Jason Staurovsky
Jets		108	Pat Leahy
Pittsburgh	100	Gary Anderson
San Diego	 88	John Carney
Seattle		102	John Kasay

		NFC

Atlanta		 95	Norm Johnson
Chicago		 89	Kevin Butler
Dallas		118	Ken Willis
Detroit		102	Barry Sanders
Green Bay	 85	Chris Jacke
Rams		 76	Tony Zendejas
Minnestoa	 85	Fuad Reveiz
New Orleans	113	Morton Andersen
Giants		 90	Matt Bahr
Philadelphia	111	Roger Ruzek
Phoenix		 82	Greg Davis
San Francisco	 91	Mike Cofer
Tampa Bay	 67	Steve Christie
Washington	149	Chip Lohmiller

	Team Champion

NFC:	485	Washington
AFC:	458	Buffalo
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Trade Winds
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:57:09 GMT

The only trade rumors going on here involve Bruce Hill (WR) and Tom McHale (OG).
Hill fell out  with coach Wyche early on by  not volunteering  to come in during
the off-season.   He has already attracted some interest from around the league.
McHale is rumored to be holding out and asking for the moon to force a trade. He
became upset,  I hear,  when Bruce Reimers was brought in on plan-B and he found
himself in the position of having to win his old job back.
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Irvin/Dolphins-cowboys
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:54:43 GMT

In article <0NmDPB2w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.UUCP writes:
>Hey.. do any of you know why Michael Irvin didn't dress out for the 
>Dolphins/Cowboys game?  i was there and he didnt play a single down.. nor 
>did he enter the field.. just wondering..
> 
> 
> bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.uucp

I don't think he's signed yet, at least I haven't heard that he did so my
guess is he's still holding out. Anybody else know for sure?

John T.
-- 
My opinions only, if you don't like `em don't read `em. 
Hurricanes and Dolphins, my favorite weather phenomena and aquatic mammals, oh
and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman
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From: mosko@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bradley Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:21:10 GMT

With regard to instant replay, I'd rather have no replays than the system
used in the past few years. As many have stated already, it disrupted play
much too often. I think the NFL should go to a system like that used by
the USFL during its brief existence. Their system allowed a team to ask for
a replay review of a disputed call - at the risk of losing a time-out if the
play was not reversed. This system will not cause as many interruptions in
play and will result in only critical calls being reviewed. So we won't
have to wait while they decide where to spot a ball for ten minutes or
suffer through numerous reviews. What do others think of this system ?
From: drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson)
Subject: Re: Redskins impressions (was Re: Niners tip Deadskins!)
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:36:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.145307.23167@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>Lachey and Green will be missed.  Either one might come back or simply
>retire.  They're really too old to trade.

Are we talking about the "Lachey and Green" that play for the Skins?  Lachey
is only 28-29, and Green is 31-32.  Barring injury Lachey has 6-7 good years,
Grren 3-4.  Not what I would consider "too old".

I think Washington can pick up where they left off without Green, but not
without Lachey.  Fortunately, I think both will be in camp before the week
is out.

Drew
drew@verdix.com
From: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:15:59 GMT
Reply-To: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

>    p.s. Was anyone else pissed that Detmer didn't get a shot to play?
>    If they keep that bum Tomcazk over him, I won't be too happy. Too
>    short??? Not a strong enough arm??? Anybody with about 55 NCAA records
>    and the only QB to have his team beat Miami in the past two years
>    must have done something right!!!


   I was agree completely, I would like to see  Tomcazk cut, he not only is 
a terrible quarterback he a Bear. I say get rid of hom and Holmes and give
Buckley more money so he gets into camp. Buckley and Detmer sound like a big 
improvement over Tomcazk and Holmes, it certainly cannot be any worse.


> >							Mark Gresbach
> >							GO VIKINGS 92!
> >
                                                        Go Where in 92?
                                                        Somewhere below
the Packers I hope.


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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 10:46:45 EDT
From: Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers vs Jets?

Could someone post the Packers vs Jets box score?  Thanx in advance.
From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: L.A. Rams outlook
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:54:26 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

What is the situation in the Rams backfield?  More specifically, how is Robert
Delpino doing and is he capable of following up on last year's performance. 
Was last year a fluke?  Did the RAms bring someone in to replace him?

Any information will be appreciated

Bill Baker
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Packers OL (was Re: Niners tip Deadskins!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:17:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.163413.25534@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.133328.10026@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes...
>
>>The 49er pass rush did little against the Washington starting OL,
>>even though Lachey, "the best tackle in the League," was still holding out.
>>The 49er pass rush didn't get going until the starters were pulled.  Then
>>they did well against the "worst backup OL in the League."
>
>I disagree with this statement.  The Packers have the worst backup OL 
>in the league.
>

The Packers starting OL is qualified to be the "worst backup OL" in 
the league.  Just ask Don Majkowski.

-Todd

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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Elway's backup?
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:47:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.141841.828@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:

>In article <15280123@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>      Just read in the paper that the Broncos cut Steve Peuller.
>>      I realize he wasn't much, but what does that leave Denver
>>      with? Maddox and Moore(or Lee, whatever his name is)?
>>      With Elway getting on in years and more susceptible to
>>      injury, it seems a bit risky going without a veteran
>>      backup.
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>Yes, Maddox & Moore.  Trust me, if you'd seen Pelleur and Moore play, and you
>didn't know who was the vet, you'd have said Moore in a second.  He is very
>calm in the pocket, stands in and passes very well.  I think he will do a
>fine job as backup if Elway goes down.  From what I saw of Maddox, he looks
>like he could be the future for Denver when Elway retires.

Don't hate me because I'm stupid, but what happened to Gary Kubiak?


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:14:11 EDT
From: <GPF103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: I need a schedule...

Pardon me if one has been posted before, but could someone send me a copy of
the NFL schedule?  Thanks.

                          Greg Feltovich
                          gpf103@psuvm
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Novacek to 49ers?
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:45:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.040048.26655@leland.Stanford.EDU>, punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi) writes:
>In article <16fa62INNqi7@agate.berkeley.edu> rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege) writes:
>>In article <2232@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>>>It was reported in today's Austin-American Statesman that there are
>>>"rumors out of the Metroplex", i.e. Dallas, that the Cowboys are trying
>>>to shop Novacek to San Francisco.  Has anyone else heard this?
>>>
>>>Daniel Welch
>>
>>  It makes complete sense. Lessee, the Niners have Brent Jones, a
>>  fine pass-catching tight end and Jamie Williams a solid blocker
>>  and Wesley Walls who's having an outstanding preseason. I can
>>  already picture Shanahan drooling over the four TE sets he can
>>  use to thoroughly outwit and outpace the defense. In fact, I think 
>>  they should trade Jerry Rice to Dallas to get Novacek. 
>>
>>  Just my 2 pesos worth,
>>
>>  Ashu Rege
>
>	If Rice, the best wideout in pro football, is traded, one certainly
>would expect to get more than Novacek in return.

Um, I think Ashu was being mildly sarcastic here
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