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From: bragg@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Aquatic Joe)
Subject: Star Wars vs. ____________.
Keywords: Space Family Robinson, HAL9000, Cryton, Twiki, et. al.
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: all cross overs...
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:17:59 GMT



	With all these Star Wars vs. _______ postings of late, I noticed
that there are some battles that we've been overlooking...  So instead
of the hackneyed Star Wars vs. Star Trek vs. Galactica (those losers
couldn't even find their home...what makes you think they could fight
any intellegent villians!) here's some of battles that would be truly
titanic!

		Star Wars vs.  Space Familiy Robinson
			(C3PO vs. The Family Robot)

		Star Wars v. Pigs in Space (wait that DID happen--sorry)

		R2D2 v. HAL9000
			(R2...what do you think you're doing R2...)
		
		IG-88 v. Robbie the Robot
			(why not?  Robbie the Robot has been in
			 everything else!)

		Those Mouse Droids on Death Stars and Star Destroyers
		vs.  Turbo RC Racers (with 9.6V rechargable battery)		

	Well that's enough to get started...what do you think?






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From: jtodd@utkvx3.utk.edu (Todd, John Brian)
Subject: Re:  Favorite moments from the Trilogy
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:27:00 GMT

In ESB:
Vader:  Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father, did he?
Luke:  He told me enough; he told me you killed him!
Vader:  No, *I* am your father.
(the music waxes in the background)
Luke:  No, that's not true, that's IMPOSSIBLE!!! 


In ROTJ:
Emperor:  Good!  Your hate has made you powerful!  Now fulfill your destiny,
          and take your father's place at my side!
Luke:  No.  I'll never turn to the dark side.  You've failed your highness;
       I am a Jedi, like my father before me.
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: John Williams
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:12:47 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

I've been reading all the posts on John Williams and his imitative 
qualities and was especially intrigued by the one that said that if he 
imitated so many other people, that this must be a style all his own.

So, what if he imitates himself?  I saw Home Alone 2 about a week ago 
and, as the Williams fans may know, he composed the music for it and its 
predecessor.  All through the movie, I kept hearing musical phrases from 
the Star Wars movies!  Certain that nobody else noticed, I turned to my 
girlfriend after the lights had gone up and mentioned my find.  "Only 
*you* would notice something like that," was her only reply.  Perhaps 
that is true, but I still found it shoddy composing to lift themes from 
your own pre-existing themes.

Influence is one thing... In HA2, he was practically "stealing" his own 
music.


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From: goldfoot-josh@yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Jabba disco song
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:48:29 -0500
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I have just purchased the "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" to RotJ. I did
this primarily for the groovy, disco-esque song performed by the alien band
in Jabba's palace.. you all remember, of course.

I was surprised to find that the CD's song isn't the movie's song. The notes
were the same, except it seemed to have been performed on a single, cheap
Yamaha synthesizer. The words were COMPLETELY different from the words in
the movie.

My questions: Why did they change it?
              What do the words mean?
              How can I get the original song, without wearing out my
               videotape and listening to Jabba offing Oola at the end?

Thanks in advance.
From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Future Movies
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:36:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec11.233656.6377
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec11.090236.16737@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>
>Okay, I have one question and a wish for the future movies.  My question is
>does anyone know of any reference besides the Ewoks and C3PO to there being
>a god/gods in the Star Wars Trilogy?  It seems to me that the Jedi are
>religious in nature, much like a monk or druid, and they would have a purpose
>to go out and defend civilization.  Any thoughts?  Off the top of my head,
>I cannot think of any references though ...

	I think that the "religion" the Jedi are organized around
is the Force.  It seems to be definitely spiritual in nature, 
especially from Luke's conversations with Yoda, which seem to 
be influenced by Buddhist teachings.

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From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Favorite SW Moments
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:44:40 GMT
Reply-To: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: lyon@frith.egr.msu.edu

I think my favorite scene was in Empire, right after escaping the Space slug,
when the Falcon "put full power into the front shield."

LEIA  "You're going to attack them?"

C3PO  "The odds of surviving a direct attack on an Imperial Star Destroyer
are..."

LEIA  "Shut up!"


At which time they avoid all of the blaster fire(a miracle in itself, but it
just goes to show that Solo is one hell of a pilot), and fly right towards the
Destroyer's bridge, and just narrowly miss it, and consequently disappears from
the Destroyer's scopes.

A few scenes later we learn about the landing claw and the Destroyers radar
blind spot...

-Scott Lyon
 "Never tell me the odds!" -Han Solo -SW:TESB
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars is NOT literature
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:48:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>Over analyzing something that was intended for good-natured entertainment is
>>like getting blood from a stone.
>>This is not a flame or even a criticism.  The movies were good, but I think
>>they have to be put into perspective.

>       This is total bullshit. LLiterature which is not amusing or
>entertaining is merely a shoddy excuse for wasting one's life.

I didn't claim that literature should not be entertaining.  However, Star Wars
is all show and no substance.



>       There may be some very deep message. Star Wars in its
>simplicity mimics in many ways life.  The scenario could almost
>be transplanted to modern day Earth, repllacing political wars or
>scenarios on Earth with galactic scenarios.

Too bad it's not well done.  There is nothing beneath the surface.


  The sf aspect is like
>the medium of the true artist; it is used to heighten the overall
>effect, not diminish or replace.

The SF atmosphere is the only thing that carries the movie.  Outside of that,
there is an overly simplified good vs. evil plot.  Been done many times.



>       Classics, however, can be read a thousand times and each
>time a new insight is gleaned, a new idea is dragged forth.

Are you claiming this of Star Wars?



>       So, in that Star Wars is anallyzed by an ardent body of people
>well into a decade after its release indicates that there must have
>been far more than 'eye candy' involved.

This is your reasoning?  There are PLENTY examples of media which are without
substance that are loved by many.  Unfortunately, that doesn't inject value
into them.

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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: Is there an "Imperial Anthem" ? What about the Alliance?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:18:58 GMT

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:53:52 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Answers to questions (Greedo, Hobby)
 <1992Dec14.123334.3520@Virginia.EDU>

In article <1992Dec14.123334.3520@Virginia.EDU>, qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T.
McCord") says:
>
>        No, we never saw Hobbie in a snowspeeder (you're
>thinking of Wedge), although I think he was supposed to be the
>guy who said "Two fighters against a star destroyer?"
>

    If I remember correctly, he was also supposed to be the
 guy who crashed his snowspeeder into General Veers' AT-AT
 cockpit, in a scene that may or may not have originally
 been in the film.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:00:57 EST
From: DAVE HAMILTON <DAH114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars SketchBook

Wow, I thought I was the only one that had that book!  There's some incredible
X-wing pictures in there....

                               D.H.


  "Hey.... It's me!!"
                      -Han Solo
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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: What a battle!!
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:58:17 GMT
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In article <1992Dec17.005736.1@nickel.laurentian.ca>, s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes...
>     Okay, here goes.  If you put the starwars guys up against the new 
>generation Star Trek guys and threw in a sideline where the Battle Star
>Galactica Guys arrived on the scene, Who do you think would win?

Oh, this one's easy.  The Super Friends, of course.

Now, for a toughie: what if the starwars guys were commanded by General 
Norman Schwartzkoph, but the Star Trek guys had the Wizard of Oz and 
Tinkerbell's pixie dust on their side, but when the Galactica showed up 
they brought the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles with them, who immediately 
beamed over to the Enterprise and battled the first Terminator, then the 
Tardis arrived from another dimension and MacGyver (who had stolen it from 
the 9th regeneration of the Doctor) presented the One Ring to Commander 
Adama? 

Hint: This would take place with a soundtrack consisting of Milli Vanilli
lip-synching to a song written by Ethel Merman and John Lennon's ghost.

--Gallandro

    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Moments
Date: 13 Dec 1992 00:52:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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>In article <1992Dec12.020221.12864@u.washington.edu> redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:
>>
>>	Here's a question:
>>	What is your favorite Star Wars moments?
>>	Like a scene, a line, a situation, etc. that you find
>>particularly appealing or meaningful.

Well, I don't know about meaningful, but the scene that still
send chills up my spine is the torture of Han Solo.  I don't
know, there just just something about it.

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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:42:34 GMT


	Five times:

Star Wars: Luke, when the Falcon is heading toward the death
star and Han right before the trash compactor's walls are about
to start closing in.

Empire: Leia when she's exploring the stomach of the space slug.

Jedi: Threepio just before entering Jabba's throne room and Han
when the Ewoks are putting logs underneath him.

	Incidentally, I think Luke is the only one to have a
"very" bad feeling.

						-Quinn
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dice in MFs cockpit?
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:03:28 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <{n#@byu.edu> julie@bones.et.byu.edu writes:
"These dice were the subject of a rather lengthy thread about a year
 ago, when this newsgroup first started.  To summarize, no one really
 denied the existence of the dice, and people thought they were kind of
 cute, that maybe Lucas was trying to drive home the image of an old
 jalopy more forcefully by using them, etc etc.  Someone said they were
 the dice that Han used to win the Falcon from Lando.  Speculations...
 
 But no, you are not the first or only person to notice these dice.
 *grin*
 
 "You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE                         "

As I understand it, I thought Han won the Falcon in a Sabac (sp?) game,
which is a card game.

Anyway, I've seen the dice too (even on my P&S version of SW:ANH), so
I'm not doubting their existence.

BTW - anyone have a solution to the deadly symptoms of SW withdrawl? 
I'm up at college and I haven't been able to see the movies for a while.
:-)

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: how much is the new Dark Horse comic worth?
Summary: sw
Keywords: sw
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:49:00 GMT
Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
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In article <BzDIyy.2oC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani) writes...
>I know there are six comics in the new star wars comic series. how much
>are they worth? how many were reprinted?
>Also, how much are those CLassic SW comics going for?
>it seems to me that these are now worth more than the Marvel Comics series.
>(I'm a little pissed because I have all 107 Marvel comics +annuals, etc
>and they seem to be worthless :(  )
> 
>rajiv

	OK, according to the price guide in Wizard, the price breakdown is:
		#1: $12
		#2: $11
		#3: $ 9
		#4-6: $3 each
	That assumes the books are in mint/near mint condition, and first
prints.

	I believe issues 1-3 were reprinted, and I'm pretty sure that Dark
Horse said they would be releasing a trade paperback (compilation) of all
6 issues spring or summer of 1993.

	Joe Delisle

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Yoda quote
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:38:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, finton@barney.cs.wisc.edu (David J. Finton) says:

>My brother gave me a Yoda quote, and I'm wondering if he got it right:
>              "No think. Only do."
>I don't remember this one;  what I remember is "There is no try;  only do."
>
>Can anyone verify whether Yoda says either of these, or something close?

It's "Do or do not.  There is no try."

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:18:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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I remember the following:

1)  A scene where Leia is taking off her coveralls or something and Luike
has some ... unbrotherly thoughts.

2)  Luke turns the blade of this sabre down to a needle-like width and
uses it to cut open a door lock (while Leia is taking off those coveralls,
now that I think about it ...)

3)  In the end, Luke is fighting with Vader in a cave.  He may or may
not get trapped (temporarily) under some boulders.  During the course
of the battle, Vader (I think) uses the Force to shoot some sort of
energy ball at Luke, but I think he deflects it with his sabre, after
it changes color.  (I'm really reaching here, can you tell?)  Eventually
Vader gets his arm chopped off and is knocked into a pit, after which
Luke probably tells Leia that he can feel that Vader is still alive.


Hm, not bad for a book I haven't read in about 10 years.  (MAN, do I
feel OLD!!!)

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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Moments
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:06:36 GMT

>> >redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:
>> 
>> >> 
>> >> 	Here's a question:
>> >> 	What is your favorite Star Wars moments?
>> >> 	Like a scene, a line, a situation, etc. that you find
>> >> particularly appealing or meaningful.

Enough people have responded now that I think I can feel justified
in responding to my own post.  These are my favorites, excluding
those that overlap those already mentioned by others:

	"I'm Luke Skywalker; I'm here to rescue you!"
	"You're who?"

	Luke is flying down the trench; Artoo is blasted; Vader
lines up on his target--"I have you now!"
	Suddenly, his wingman's TIE fighter disintegrates; "WHAT!?";
Han's "Yeeee-haa!"; the Millenium Falcon flying out of the sun.

	The sacrifice of Ben Kenobi.

	The moment when Luke allows himself to fall to almost
certain death rather than join Darth Vader.  The music here is
wonderful; a short fanfare rich in sad heroism.

	"No. _I_ am your father."

	"Pulverized?" - See-Threepio

-Joe
From: barnabas@terapin.com (Colin Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New Star Wars Movies
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:17:48 PST
Organization: BBS

Hi all! I must say I was suprised to find a Star Wars News group on the NET.
And I would never have known that people would be talking about a series of
movies after they have been out for soooo long. (I wonder if there is a Indiana
Jones News Group....) (Ponder..) Anyway, Have anyone of you caught wind of a
possible new series of Star Wars Movies comming out? I have heard sporatoic
rumors that the first three in the series of nine are in pre production. Note
it is just a rumor, so don't even give it a pennies worth of thought... but is
Lucas Films going to be coming out with another Star Wars trilogy? Hope to read
from someone soon....
From: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: why don't all you star wars fans get a life
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 12:09:46 GMT
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Reply-To: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au

> [slur on star wars deleted]

well!  who left themselves logged in?

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From: ctk@well.sf.ca.us (Cassandra T. Kamuchey)
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:28:02 GMT


	Yeah, now it's flooding back to me.  At the climatic battle scene
where Leia attempts to defend herself with Luke's l/s, she gets badly cut
or burned and Luke uses the crystal to heal her...or something like that.
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From: HDW@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re:    Missing clip in ANH?
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:09:16 GMT
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In <92347.131951MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:

> Last week, I ended my Star Wars drought (NOT RECOMMENDED) of 3 months by
> viewing ANH in my friends room...
> 
> It had been a long time (since late August) since I had last seen this movie,
> and something stuck out...
> 
> We were not watching a VHS version, but a version he taped off of HBO about 7
> years ago (I dunno exactly when, but a LONG TIME ago...)
> 
> In the scene where the Sandcrawler goes to the Lars family homestead, and Luke
> and his family are about to buy Threepio and Artoo, I noticed that there was
> a scene (more like a clip) about 2 seconds long in which the huge Sandcrawler
> was seen coming down a hill/dune in the desert, right before they approach
> the homestead...
> 
> As I've stated, it had been a long while since I had last seen ANH, so this
> scene did not look familiar... Could someone with the P&S version of the
> Trilogy please let me know if I am crazy or not, or is this scene (clip) in
> the regular VHS release...

	Yes, it's in there.
-dave

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