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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: look please
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:15:08 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay) writes:


>               ALTERNATE ENERGY IDEA MAN FOR HIRE

>      I see a great need for alternate energy in the Philippines. 
>I am experienced in that field, I lost over $15,000.00 in that
>field when Reagan (a U.S. president) cut the tax credits to solar
>energy.  Sometimes failure is the best teacher.  It is a field that
>must be supported by the local government.  If the Philippines can
>see a future in supplying other third world countries in alternate
>energy systems, at a cost in line with these countries abilities,
>profit can be made.   


Your idea might be the best in the world but the big companies like
Mobil Oil and Texaco are not going to sit there and wait for you to
come up with a solution to replace them.  They have spend millions
of dollars behind the scene to make sure that you will NOT succeed.
I am serious.  Think about what impact on these companies if you invent
a solar-powered car which can run 75 mph and never need a drop of gas.  
That's why all the high price trophey competition are organized by 
big oil companies.  They want to attract the best and brightest in the
area and they want to make sure they know who design the best solar-powered
vehicles out there - why - so they can buy your patent and shelf it. 

-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)   
From: andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:02:37 GMT
Subject: "KARAOKE" Philippine original?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino

        Any truth to the story that the "KARAOKE" or singalong
	machine originated in the Philippine?  A friend of mine
	is claimimg so.  I sort of believe him because we
	Filipinos are such an excellent crooner.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay)
Subject: look please
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:26:12 GMT


               ALTERNATE ENERGY IDEA MAN FOR HIRE

      I see a great need for alternate energy in the Philippines. 
I am experienced in that field, I lost over $15,000.00 in that
field when Reagan (a U.S. president) cut the tax credits to solar
energy.  Sometimes failure is the best teacher.  It is a field that
must be supported by the local government.  If the Philippines can
see a future in supplying other third world countries in alternate
energy systems, at a cost in line with these countries abilities,
profit can be made.   
     It is a product made in country, for the country, and for
other near by countries.  3/4 's of all products sold in the next
ten years will be to third world countries.  The first, and most
important market, is the Philippines.  After that other markets
will open up.  And these will not be U.S., Japanese, or German
markets. 

     If someone out there is interested please contact

                              Mark Holladay
                              1617 Ninth Avenue
                              Honolulu, Hawaii  96816
                              ph# 808-735-5967
                              e-mail markh@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
From: jchavez@td2cad.intel.com (Joas Chavez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: yuletide greetings.. own dielect
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:22:59 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA


	MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

PAMPANGGO = Masayang Pasko at Masayang Bayung Banwa, Queca yu ngan!
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Pinay/Pinoy Follow-up
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:08:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo) says:

>In article <1g8pa0INNrr1@morrow.stanford.edu> GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:
>>
>>       Another  2-cent  addition  to  the  'Theory'..   Some
>> people tend to like those who resemble someone  that  comes
>> from  their  Motherland.   In  our  case,  Spain  (and  the
>> Spaniards).   I   just   heard   this   from   an   upstart
>> anthropologist, so I can't accommodate any rebuttal.
>>
> I think that since this is the soc.culture.filipino newsgroup
>most people here consider the Philippines to be their motherland.
>Are you on the right newsgroup?
>
>Marcelino Bernardo
>mbernar@erenj.com

I, for one, absolutely REFUSE to call Spain my motherland.  So did
Rizal.  After all, which nation do you think he referred to as 
"my motherland (fatherland?), clime of the sun caressed"?
 
-- 
    Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., CWRU grad student & roboticist wannabee
		      ** Wise men still seek Christ. ** 
  "Perhaps we would have more power if Engineer Scott  |    My boss is a 
      connected your mouth to a generator, Doctor."    |  Jewish carpenter.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Am I In the Right NG?
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering, NJ
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:10:18 GMT

In article <1gdrtgINN6op@morrow.stanford.edu> GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:
>>
>>From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
>>Subject: Re: Pinay/Pinoy Follow-up
>>
B
>>In article <1g8pa0INNrr1@morrow.stanford.edu> GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:
>>>
>>>       Another  2-cent  addition  to  the  'Theory'..   Some
>>> people tend to like those who resemble someone  that  comes
B
>>> from  their  Motherland.   In  our  case,  Spain  (and  the
>>> Spaniards).   I   just   heard   this   from   an   upstart
>>> anthropologist, so I can't accommodate any rebuttal.
>>>
>> I think that since this is the soc.culture.filipino newsgroup
>>most people here consider the Philippines to be their motherland.
>>Are you on the right newsgroup?
>>
>>Marcelino Bernardo
>>mbernar@erenj.com
>>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Yes, Spain is the motherland.  I hope you are not oblivious to
>history that the 500-year rule of Spain did not do anything to
>the Filipino culture, both good and bad.
>
>Can't close our eyes to this, can we?
>
>Just like Great Britain being the motherland of the United
>States.
>
>Or should have I construed instead to the Fatherland.
>
According to Webster, a motherland is "a country regarded as a place
of origin", and fatherland is "one's native land or country" or "the
native land of one's father or ancestors".  Let us not confuse the
motherland of our colonizers with our own.  I cannot, as most Filipinos
, consider Spain to be my native land.  The Spaniards did not succeed
in wiping out all native inhabitants of the Phil. as they did in other
parts of the world.

I cannot see much good in having one's culture raped.  Yes, we were
under Spanish rule for centuries.  I don't deny it's influence on
our culture, but I don't have to embrace it. 

The United States when it was formed was comprised mainly of Brithis
colonizers, so it is historically proper to refer to Great Britain as
their motherland.  It did not include the natives: American Indians.
Should the remaining American Indians regard GB as their motherland?

>One way or another, I am in the right newsgroup.

I was referring to your post, not you.  Sorry if I might have offended you.
>
>And thank you,
>
>TEG

Marcelino Bernardo
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Yuletide Dialect Translations
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:03:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1gtsdiINN2vm
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu


In article <29800027@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means) writes:
>
>  "Maayong Pasko ug Bulahang Bag-ong Tuig!!!!"
>                    ^^^^^^^^
>   Gikan kamano nga taga siyudad sa Sugbo.
>

That's right.  Which by the way reminds me of:

 "...bulahan ug bulahan, and tagbalay nga gi-kawatan..." :->

George
From: jayc@paragon.EBay.Sun.COM (John C)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Trece Martires
Date: 19 Dec 1992 02:26:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jayc@paragon.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: paragon.ebay.sun.com


I don't know the names of the other twelve(12) martyrs,
but I do know that my great-grandfathers name is,

Feliciano Cabuco ... for a fact a street in Cavite City
was named in his honor, "Cabuco St." my father told me
that his grandfather was executed by the spaniards for
activities leading to insurrection by of the 1st (8) 
tagalog province. He was executed by "GAROTE" a common
means of death penalty thru latin countries. 
             _   
      \\     ||__/
       |/////|___| <== Shackle around the victims neck
    = //     ||  \
    |        |   
             |
 Screw       |
   slowly    
    turned to choke the victim

John Cabuco
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: 40 Killed in Zamboanga
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:25:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	ZAMBOANGA, Philippines (UPI) -- Suspected Muslim bandits with assault
rifles and machetes swooped down on a Christian settlement in the
southern Philippines, torching homes and killing at least 40 people,
police said Monday.
	A police spokesman, Col. Indo Ho, said about 30 men, led by a former
officer of the separatist Moro National Liberation Front, went from
house to house attacking residents of of Alto Gulod, Lunot, and Site
villages in Zamboanga province, 550 miles south of Manila.
	``The bandits went on a killing spree, lining up civilians, shooting
and hacking them to death,'' Ho told reporters at the police regional
headquarters in nearby Zamboanga City.
	About a dozen others were seriously injured, police said.
	Police could not determine a motive for the massacre, but were
checking the possibility that the bandits' suspected leader, Kumander
Zafari, was avenging the death of his son, who was killed in the area
two years ago.
	Survivors said the bandits were demanding $12 in ``taxes'' and were
angered when the residents complained.
	Charlito Mamintas, 23, who was hit in the left foot, said his family
was asleep when the assailants ordered the men out of their houses for
an important meeting.
	The bandits asked for money but the villagers said they could not
afford to pay, prompting the rebels to herd them into several houses,
she told reporters from a Zamboanga hospital.
	``They took our watches and other personal belongings before they
started shooting at us,'' said Mamintas, whose father was killed in the
massacre.
	``They fired at us for no reason at all,'' said Morgan Magtuba, 56,
who was wounded in the hand and leg.
	He said he and four other survivors escaped when the bandits began
burning the houses.
	An undetermined number of residents who had remained in their homes
were either burned to death or killed when the raiders peppered the
houses with gunfire.
	Government troops backed by helicopters and armored personnel
carriers were deployed Monday in an attempt to track down the bandits,
who are believed responsible for a series of kidnappings and robberies
in the area, police said.
	The MNLF is one of three separatist factions fighting for Muslim
independence in the main southern island of Mindanao.
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Former Gen. Zumel Ready fof Peace
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:30:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- A general who led followers of ousted
dictator Ferdinand Marcos in a 1986 coup attempt emerged from hiding
Friday, saying he and his group were ready for formal peace talks but
were not surrendering.
	``After all these years, I have come to the conclusion that above all
else, the nation must be preserved,'' Brig. Gen. Jose Maria Zumel said
in a news conference at the posh Manila Polo Club.
	``I have decided to surface to seal my good intentions,'' said the
59-year-old former superintendent of the elite Philippine Military
Academy. ``I have only taken the first step in the journey to peace.
Hopefully, by taking such an initiative, we and others of like mind will
join hands in this crusade for peace.''
	Zumel said, however, his emergence from hiding did not mean he was
surrendering.
	``We are merely shifting from underground activities to the more
civil atmosphere of the negotiating table,'' he said.
	Haydee Yorac, charged with brokering peace with the country's three
insurgent groups, welcomed Zumel's move and said she would ask President
Fidel Ramos next week to form a government negotiating panel.
	``This augurs well for the peace effort that the government is
conducting right now,'' Yorac said. ``This is a very hopeful time that
soon we will be a unified country.''
	Yorac assured that all court charges and arrest warrants for Zumel
would be suspended during the peace talks. Zumel named three comrades --
Brig. Gen. Jose Commendador, Col. Oscar Canlas and Lt. Col. Reynaldo
Cabauatan -- as members of his negotiating panel and appealed for their
release as well other officers still in jail.
	The three are being held for involvement in past coup attempts.
	Zumel led some 100 soldiers and hundreds of civilians in taking over
the swank Manila Hotel in July 1986 in a bid to return Marcos, who was
deposed in a popular army revolt five months earlier, to power.
	The coup, the first of seven military revolts against former
president Corazon Aquino, was crushed after 36 hours. Marcos loyalists
in the army were also blamed for two other coup bids.
	Observers said Zumel's action was a major step toward the peaceful
settlement of the six-year, right-wing rebellion, one of three
insurgencies Manila is facing.
	Since taking office June 30, Ramos, a former general who helped crush
the coup attempts, has also offered peace to communist rebels battling
Manila for 23 years and Muslim separatists in the southern Philippines.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mcp4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Marco Claro Pineda)
Subject: FAQ?
Summary: Is there an FAQ for this group
Reply-To: mcp4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Marco Claro Pineda)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:28:24 GMT

Is there an FAQ for this group.  If someone has it handy could they please mail
it to me.  A mailed or posted pointer would also be appreciated. Thanks
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: on "race"
Date: 15 Dec 1992 05:35:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec14.182538.1471@sbcs.sunysb.edu> albert@mathlab.sunysb.edu
(Jose Ramon Albert) writes:
>thank you for the information on my improper use of terms.  my use of the
>term "race" was supposed to take a loose meaning (a people) rather than
>its anthropoligical denotation [...]

Just to be clear, race in anthropology is only meaningful in a cultural or
social sense.  In physical or biological anthropology, racial theories
dividing people up into distinct groups (as many or as few as you want)
is a wholely obsolate, discredited and discarded practice; there is
no biological basis for race.  Humans are a single species.  And through
the mixing and combining of genes for a miriad of physical traits we have
so diversified in appearance that features merge and diverge in fine
gradations in every direction to great extremes.  It is in populations
of people in relative genetic isolation where over time characterisic
gene frequencies develop.  These frequencies vary from population to
population and are often charted for a particular trait of interest,
say skin color in continental Africa.  These so called clines are the
basis for tracking and measuring biological human diversity in anthropology.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:08:30 EST
From: Juan T. Avecilla <JA6769A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: US Embassy, Manila

For those who are interested in contacting the US Embassy in Manila, here are
the imporant numbers you may need.

U.S. Embassy, Manila
1201 Roxas Boulevard
APO AP 96440(Mailing ZIP from US)
Tel: (63-2) 521-7116

Telex: 722-27366 AME PH
FAX: (63-2) 522-4361
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 23:03:31 CET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mencarna@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Mark Encarnacion)
Distribution: world
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Subject: Re: Am I In the Right NG?

> Yes, Spain is the motherland.  I hope you are not oblivious to
> history that the 500-year rule of Spain did not do anything to
> the Filipino culture, both good and bad.

Hellooooooooo.............   Better get your facts straight before you
go posting.  Then, again, who can trust the history books?

Maligayang Pasko!

Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: reubenr@netcom.com (Reuben Regucera)
Subject: Re: Yuletide Dialect Translations
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:33:35 GMT

andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means) writes:
:   Philippines has hundreds of dialects.  I'd like to see anyone of us
:   write/speak "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year" in their native
:   dialect.  I'm Visayan but grew up in Cavite City.  Therefore some
:   part of the town speak "Chabacano" which is really some form of
:   Spanish language.  Since I neither speak Visayan or Chabacano, can
:   anybody translate.

In Ilocano:
          "Naimbag a Paskua ken Narang-ay nga Baro a Tao-en"


Reuben V Regucera
reubenr@netcom.com
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From: jpalmer@zeus.calpoly.edu (John Palmer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Cebu
Summary: Looking for vacation advice
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:58:26 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Cebu's beaches are rumoured to be outstanding. I am interested in
traveling to the Philippines, and Cebu seems to be a nice place. Would
anyone be able to give me some tips on Cebu? I am specificly looking
for information about the nightlife, churches, San Miguel brewery,
hotels on the beach, good bars, surf, people, places of historical
importance, and the general character of the place. 

Is my mental image of a white beach, beach chair, drink, and sun too
much?

Thank yo for your help.

John Palmer
jpalmer@pan.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: ekevik@media.uio.no (Oystein Ekevik)
Subject: Re: What is your "Race" ?
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Dept. of Media & Communication
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:52:54 GMT

In article <1gdlelINN3bh@agate.berkeley.edu>, tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito
Domine) wrote:
> 
(stuff deleted)

> 	The earliest humans or proto-humans, as the diggings in
> Kenya of Robert Leakey et al., have shown the presence of humans,
> known today as Australopithecus, as early as 4 million years. While
> the Tabon cave findings in the Phils, have shown the presence of
> human beings in the Phils (Tabon Cave is in Palawan, I believe) as
> early as 25,000 years. Diggings in the Cagayan Valley show tools
> and implements (not human remains) dating back 75,000 years.
> If you remember, Chinese civilization is only 10,000 years, while
> Indian civilization is around 7,000 years old.
> 
> 	So your common-and-average tagalog, ilokano or kapampangan,
> is actually speaking a language that is at least 25,000 years old -
> pre-dating the coming of Christ and the Chinese civilization.
> 
- This is amazing. Please share with us your sources of information
(Philippine escavations).


*****************************************
Oystein Ekevik, P.O.Box 1093, Blindern, 0317 Oslo
Dept. of Media & Communication
University of OSLO, Norway
e-mail ekevik@media.uio.no, fax ++47-2-694790
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas in tagalog ...
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:14:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1gtt22INN9q4
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

In article <1992Dec18.083111.486@imag.fr> arnie@imag.imag.fr (arnulfo azcarraga) writes:
>Though there may be other ways of saying "Maligayang Pasko at Manigong 
>Bagong Taon" ---- filipinos normally greet each other with a "Merry 
>Christmas". [...]
>
>-Arnie-
>

So when is your book about Filipinos due to be released?

George
From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: From Pinoy/Pinay to Spain to To Timewarp
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:14:13 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu


>From: gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu
>Subject: Re: Am I In the Right NG?
>
>In article <1gdrtgINN6op@morrow.stanford.edu>, GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu
>(Tito E. Gervacio) wrote:
>
>> Yes, Spain is the motherland.  I hope you are not oblivious to
>> history that the 500-year rule of Spain did not do anything to
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> the Filipino culture, both good and bad.
>
>correct me if I am wrong but  Ferdinanad  Magellan  died  in
>1521. Was there contact with Spanish colonists prior to this
>year?  If  Magellan  was  the  first  Spanish contact of the
>Philippines, that means we are still a Spanish colony  until
>the year 2050.
>
>Gee, didn't the Americans just  leave  Subic.  I  guess  the
>Spanish-American war never took place.
>

   Good grief, we are still under Spanish influence, and you
   might be right..  The Spanish-American war might have not
   taken place.

   Nice catch.  My math on historical era just left the window.
   Geez, I must have really hit some chords out there.  Let me
   try this.. if we are truly adamant on not having to do with
   those 'sins' of our colonizers, how about looking closer on
   our names.  Should they be changed to get rid of this hang up?
   Sounds silly, but some answers to the broader issue border on
   simplistic fanaticism.

   Have a good debate out there on nationalism.


>> Can't close our eyes to this, can we?
>>
>> Just like Great Britain being the motherland of the United
>> States.
>>
>> Or should have I construed instead to the Fatherland.
>>
>> One way or another, I am in the right newsgroup.
>>
>> And thank you,
>>
>> TEG
>
>
>Standard Disclaimer:
>  I am not responsible for comments that I make after 3:00 AM or after five
>cups of coffee, whichever comes first.
From: andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:39:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Yuletide Dialect Translations
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino

  Tony Lim of Washinton, DC writes:

  "Maayong Pasko ug Bulahang Bag-ong Tuig!!!!"
   
   Gikan kamano nga taga siyudad sa Sugbo.