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From: Donna.Elam@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Donna Elam)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: 48 Hours
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:32:00 GMT


 > My question to the police and the media would have to be "Why the drug
 > raid tactics?" Was there something to fear from the mother of the child?
 >  Why didnt they just cover all exits of the house and then knock on the
 > door? It seems to me the tactics could have been alot more painless.
 > But,  then I guess I would be asking a bit too much from our government;
 >  caring.

    I agree. We'll probably never know their reason's for treating the
situation the way they did.
                                    Take care
                                     Donna
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: In Response
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:54:00 GMT

LH> -=> Quoting Marv Cotton to Larry Hyman <=-

LH> LH> * Originally By: Larry Hyman
LH> LH> * Originally To: :-57:000joan M. Diamond
LH> LH> * Originally Re: Re: in response
LH> LH> * Original Area: MISSING CHIL
LH> LH> * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.10

LH> LH>--- TriDog 4.0
LH> LH>  ! Origin: Simple Solutions, MTL, 514-327-3406 (1:167/224)
LH> LH>SEEN!BY: 19/99 116/18 141/340 170/400 900 209/209 382/1 387/255 406
LH> LH>SEEN!BY: 387/603 622 800 823 3804/7 3805/7 3817/2
LH> MC>
LH> MC>
LH> MC> Larry, check your feed.  We are getting dupes from you.
LH> MC> Marv Cotton, Co-moderator
LH> MC>
LH> MC> * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
LH> MC>

LH>No it wasn't at the feeds end, it was at my end.... Bluewave had gone crazy
LH>on
LH>me and I thought the original messages got sent out to la la land....

LH>Sorry and Thanks, Larry Hyman

LH>... With a Blue Wave of my hand I cleared away the SLMR!
LH>*** Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

LH>--- TriDog 4.0
LH> * Origin: Simple Solutions, MTL, 514-327-3406 (1:167/224)

  No problem.
    Later, Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Missing
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:52:00 GMT

JB>Quoting Marv Cotton to The Reverend

JB>MC> TR>1 19 year old Red headed female with good complextion, no nasal
hairs

JB>MC>
JB>MC>   You are obviously an extremely uncaring individual based on the tone
JB>MC>   of your message.  Do not post in this message area again.
JB>MC>        Marv Cotton, Moderator

JB>Marv,

JB>I sent a message to the sysop of the board that the message originated
JB>from and let him know how disgusted I was with what the guy said.  I
JB>received an immediate response that the guy has been locked out of that
JB>board.

JB>Jim

JB>--- Renegade v8-27 Beta
JB> * Origin: The Boat BBS, Parker, FL (904) 763-3537 (1:3608/11)

  Yes, I believe several people did.  The SysOp reacted quickly and
  quite effectively.  The message was not his fault and should not
  reflect on him in any way.
    Later, Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:16:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Videos
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids

Marilyn.Orsborn@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marilyn Orsborn) writes:

> I would like to know if anyone has seen Disney's "Too Smart for Strangers."
> It dealt with many of the aspects discussed in this area, from what to do if
> approached by a stranger to improper touching (whether by stranger or a known
> person.)  It seemed to present facts in a non-threatening manner and kept the
> attention of the 4 year old in our house.  If anyone saw it, I would like
> their
> opinion.  Also would appreciate the titles of any others that you have seen 
> and could recommend.

  I saw it, but I don't remember it well enough to comment.

  As for others, I recommend "How to Raise a Street-Smart Child," produced
by HBO.  It is intended (I think) for elementary-school-aged children and
their parents.

			Erik
From: Greg.Naber@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Greg Naber)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Prevention
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:00:24 GMT

The Personal Safety Check List. (continued)

ON THE GO:

Yes no
__ __  Do you plan in advance to use the safest route to your
       destination?
__ __  Do you choose busy, well-lit streets?
__ __  Do you avoid routes that pass by high-risk areas, i.e. vacant
       lots, alleys?
__ __  Do you avoid isolated bus stops?
__ __  Do you walk facing traffic so you can see approching cars?
__ __  Do you walk near the curb to avoid the element of surprise or
       someone hiding between shrubs or in a doorway?
__ __  Do you stay out of reach if someone in a vehicle stops to ask
       directions?
__ __  Are you wary of approching strangers?
__ __  If you continue to be followed, do you flee to the nearest safe
       place?
__ __  Do you try to get a description of the person and/or vehicle
       following you?
__ __  Do you avoid hitchhiking?
__ __  Do you avoid carrying large sums of money in your purse or wallet?
__ __  Do you carry your purse close to your body, without wrapping the
       straps around your arm or hand?
__ __  Do you avoid leaving a purse unattended, even for a moment?
__ __  Do you avoid displaying large amounts of cash in public?

IN YOUR CAR:

Yes No
__ __  Do you always lock your car doors while driving?
__ __  Do you keep windows rolled up whenever possible?
__ __  Do you avoid picking up hitchhikers?
__ __  Do you keep your car in good running order to avoid break downs
       in dangerous areas?
__ __  Do you look for well-lit areas to park your car?
__ __  Do you always lock your car when it is parked?
__ __  Do you look around the car before you get out, especially at
       night or in deserted areas such as underground parking lots?
__ __  When returning to your car, do you have your keys in hand?
__ __  Do you look in the back seat before getting into the car?
__ __  If you are beening followed, do you avoid going home and go to
       the nearest place of safety instead?

IF YOU ANSWERED "NO" TO ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS, CONSIDER A CHANGE IN
               BEHAVIOR TO INCREASE YOUR SECURITY!
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: 48 Hours #2
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:49:00 GMT

My Letter:

Dear Mr. Heyward

  I would like to voice my concern on your September 16th show dealing
with child abduction.  I share the concern of many people on the
dangers of child abduction and especially the attitudes of people when
it comes to non-custodial parental abductions.  Though I have no
objection to the subject of your program I must voice a very strong
objection to the methodology of the recovery of the young child you
presented in your national telecast.
  I personally watched in horror when the child was virtually dragged
out of his room.  The police rushed into the home as though they were
arresting a dangerous felon rather then recovering a young boy.  I feel
that this was an action that will produce a traumatic effect that he mat
never out live.
  Throughout this episode the child seemed terrified, yet he was
continuously bombarded with unnecessary questions and items were
recklessly pushed in front of him.  I feel that the story could have
been told just as well and with the same impact without the use of
these tactics and the use of the child's traumatic experience.  It
appeared that the entire action was staged for the cameras.  A recovery
of this sort would usually involve police simply walking up to the door
and arresting the abductor.  Nothing in this show indicated that the
child was in any danger, or that these tactics were necessary.
  I hope that in the future you will do a more thorough job of
researching this subject, including consultation with the National
Center For Missing & Exploited Children.  The subject matter is
something of which the public does need to be made aware.  However, it
is imperative that accurate and proper information is provided.

Thank you,


Marvin P. Cotton
President
Heidi Search Center


 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Filebone mischild
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:09:00 GMT

CC>Im writing to you to find out more info on the missing child file area on
CC>the fidonet filebone. I'm going to start to work with Nevada child  seekers
CC>and told them about the file area that sends gifs out. they are  intrested
i
CC>the doing the same. is there someone that i can talk to  about making gifs
CC>and about scanning?

CC> Craig Castleberry
CC> Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.2

CC>--- Dogfight

CC> * Origin: Data Systems 1-702-293-0760 Usr Sportster 14.4 (1:209/236)

  Craig, call 512-659-0338, that's the Search Center.  If you give Rick
  your number I'll call you back.
     Later, Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: The.Reverend@fquest.FidoNet.Org (The Reverend)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:35:02 GMT

1 19 year old Red headed female with good complextion, no nasal hairs, nice
perfume, a neat-o sex drive, and is housebroken.
Goes by the name of ANYTHING, so long as she fucks.
 
If found, please mail her to the following address:
 
8845 SW 79 Ave.
Miami, FL  33148
 
Frantic,
Don Noe
From: Bruce.Edwards@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bruce Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Perps..
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:15:06 GMT

Hello,
    I too am a survivor of abuse though mine was mostly psychological with  a
little physical thrown in for good measure. I am interested in any nets 
pertaining to surviving. I have found even the counsellors dont really 
understand the inner workings as they have just learned from a book  whereas we
lived it. 
                   Bruce
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:47:00 GMT

TR>1 19 year old Red headed female with good complextion, no nasal hairs, nice

  You are obviously an extremely uncaring individual based on the tone
  of your message.  Do not post in this message area again.
       Marv Cotton, Moderator

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Cindy.Osborn@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Cindy Osborn)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Purpose this Area
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:42:00 GMT

MC >   Purpose of Missing Children Echo

           <<<<< Original edited for space >>>>>

Hi Marv,
I agree this area is not the place for any complaining. We are now
carrying this echo on our User Group BBS. My husband sent you a message
regarding getting the gifs which we are working on getting them. If we
can pick them up through a feed then our club would like to become a
support point here in Memphis, Tn. Maybe contacting several of the larger
companies and this sort of thing. We're not sure exactly how yet, but I
just wanted to touch base with you since I'm sure you keep notes on
different contacts. You know people who mistreat children are very low
forms of life in my opinion. My husband and I have been thinking about
becoming foster parents since I am now staying home with our children.
But there is one problem. I don't know if I could let a child go back
into a situation that wasn't fully "cleaned" up seeing how I become very
attached.

Cindy Osborn

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From: Jim.Bynum@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Jim Bynum)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Missing
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:35:31 GMT

Quoting Marv Cotton to The Reverend

MC> TR>1 19 year old Red headed female with good complextion, no nasal hairs, 
MC> 
MC>   You are obviously an extremely uncaring individual based on the tone
MC>   of your message.  Do not post in this message area again.
MC>        Marv Cotton, Moderator

Marv, 

I sent a message to the sysop of the board that the message originated  
from and let him know how disgusted I was with what the guy said.  I 
received an immediate response that the guy has been locked out of that 
board.

Jim
From: Nancy.Porter@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Nancy Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Found Children Listing
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:49:00 GMT

****** From: MARV COTTON ***************** On: 9/22/1992*********************
*                                                                           *
*MC>   Since we have been distributing the GIFs the following children have *
*MC> been                                                                   *
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   How can I go about getting these GIF's to place on my BBS?  My bbs is
   fairly new to this conference and I think this would be a great
   addition.
   Thanks
   Nancy
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Newsgroups: alt.sigma2.height
From: msj@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Mike Joy)
Subject: Re: Small size shirts/clothes for men?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:54:31 GMT


Hmmm. I have a similar problem. I've found that the big high-street
stores here no longer supply boy's size clothes in designs which are
other than "fashionable" (for a teenager) or grey school-uniform type.
And I've long since given up trying to shop in mens clothes stores.

Two ideas.

1) Some of the clothes I wear are actually women's sizes. If you shop around
it is possible to find shirts which are pretty much a unisex cut.

2) Some firms specialising in outdoor wear seem to have a selection
of garments of slightly smaller sizes, especially narrow-waist trousers.

One firm I can recommend (though they're not cheap, and I don't know
whether they trade in the US) is Rohan (address: 30 Maryland Road,
Milton Keynes, MK15 8HN, UK).
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Newsgroups: alt.sigma2.height
From: mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: Small size shirts/clothes for men?
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:10:23 GMT

I have a very hard time trying to find clothes, particularly shirts, that fit
me.  I am not that short, 5' 5", but I am on the thin side and don't have long
arms.  All the smallest men size shirts (i.e. either "small" or 14 1/2 neck
size) are too large for me.  I used to be able to occassionally find boy size
18 shirts that fit me fine, but during the last few years it has become much
harder to do that.  Sport shirts are the hardest to find, as boy sport shirts
tend to be very much styled for kids.  I wonder what shorter people do?  Are
they forced to have everything tailored for them?  It seems to me there is a
large market that no one is taking advantage of.  Does anyone know of any mail
order catalogs that sell such items, or perhaps a store in the Boston area?
Thanks.

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Carlos Rodriguez <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cr11>
Subject: Re: Adaptation (was: inclusion, exclusion)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:57:19 GMT

Original-Sender: Carlos Rodriguez <cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cr11>

Hi!
I hate to say it but yes you have been misled.  Not intensionally but
by misinterpretation.  In many of the "land deals", both culture and
language played an important part in one of history's greatest
misunderstandings.  In many cases the europeans thought that they were
buying the land, while the native people thought that these strangers
were just passing through and wanted to camp there for a while.  They
thought that the "gifts" were a form of showing their respect for the
people that were already there.  Remember that most of these so called
"land deals" were done during the early part of the contact between the
european and the american indian.  So the first there weren't any
interpreters and second if there were they were not all that proficient
in the local language.
The "land deals" that occurred later on in hstory were mostly
alchoholic "land deals".  These were simpler, all that you have to do
is just get the natives so drunk that they will put their mark on
anything.  This is the pride of the american businessmen.  Why this
practice continued way up until the 1960's and it was done with the
government's blessings.
Owning land is a european thing.  The native believes that we are
husbandmen put on our particular lands as a responsibility by the
Creator to maintain it.  We do not own it, we just work it.  If we sell
it then we are stealing from the Creator.  I hope that this has
answered your question.
Walk In Beauty!
C. Nakai Rodriguez
From: pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: Columbus Day Parade Cancelled!
Keywords: Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:11:15 PDT
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

milo@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Michele Lord) writes:

> 
>     It was a good day in Denver.  The Italian-American

 (stuff deleted for space)
>     In the afternoon a victory pow-wow was held at the Tall Bull
> Memorial Grounds south of Denver. It was a good day.
> 
> +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+**+
>           Michele Lord               *  Walk in Peace with
>       milo@scicom.alphacdc.com       *  our Mother Earth 
>                                      *  and our Father Sky.
> +=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*+=*
> 
  BRAVO!!!!!  Thanks for sharing that news!
    You might want to pick up a copy of THE NATION 10-19-92
Read the columbus legacy -3 part article!  The one on Genocide in the americas
is just devastating! ...to think that 60-80 million amerindians were slain 
BEFORE the 17th century  has touched me and my family and my heart. 
  Funny thing is the powers that be know the columbus thing is a fraud but they 
hate to admit that they never should have had such a holiday in the first
place.  Blacks,vikings,irish and not to mention my native brothers and sisters
were waiting on the shores when columbus was still in the islands. 
   But patience is a virtue and the true words will be found ...It is only a
matter of time before the holiday is gone...or better why not make it discovery
day and every one can celebrate who they think discovered america (as if it
really mattered)..
  Your news really brighten my heart!




Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!UWGB.EDU!FRISCHJ
Subject: George-Kamentiio Mohican rev
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:26:00 GMT

Original-Sender: UWGB.EDU!FRISCHJ

Excellent!  Finally, a review that makes some sense and appropriately
strong points about the latest version of LAST OF THE MOHICANS!!  I've been
almost as troubled about the rather steady positive reviews as about the
actual movie itself.  Doug George-Kamentiio's newspaper review recently
posted here does an admirable job of "setting the record straight" about
what to my mind was as outrageously "bloodthirsty savage, etc. etc. " a
portrayal as any to come down the pike since the beginnings of film.
Thanks for sharing the review with us.
     Jack Frisch, University of Wisconsin-Green Bay
     Professor, Communication and the Arts (Theatre and
         American Indian Studies)
From: twarner@carson.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Racism and theories of pre-Columbian Old-World-New-World contact
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:02:21 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


	My recent post requesting information about the Cree and Micmac
writing systems and opinions about Barry Fell's theory that Cree is derived
from Basque and Micmac from Egyptian Hieratic script (and about the origins
of Cherokee) generated many interesting comments, mostly by e-mail, about
the connection of racism to theories of pre-Columbian Old World-New World
contact. I thought that it was a valid point but also a multi-faceted topic
worthy of more lengthy discussion.

	Basically, I think there are two angles to look at the question from:

	1) Do suggestions that aspects of Native American culture have an
Old-World heritage insult Native Americans?

	I'm not a Native American and so it's hard for me to guess. My
impression is that sometimes such suggestions are insulting, but it depends
on the specific suggestion and the individual. I'm sure there are aspects
of modern Native American cultures that are assumed to be traditional and yet
are in fact partly Old World-derived, just as there are aspects that have been
assumed to be Old World-derived that are actually mostly traditional (like
the Virgin of Guadalupe).
	I can see that theories that virtually every aspect of Native American
cultures are Old World-derived would be insulting, because they presume that
only Old World people are capable of inventing or creating.
	But is it insulting to suggest that there was a great deal of contact
between various Old World and New World cultures prior to Columbus?
	I think the latter is what Fell believes (and I think he is probably
right on about half of them). I think the only Native American culture that
he believes was primarily Old World-derived was the lost Pueblo culture.
He also believes nautical and legal terms in some East North American languages
are Indo-European, Zuni is similar to Arabic and Takhelne is similar to Gaelic.
And he also finds similiarities in Northwest native art and Celtic. That's
about the extent of the concrete aspects of Native American culture Fell
believes are Old World-derived. He basically thinks that there was a lot
of exploration and a good deal of colonization but that these colonists
basically got swallowed up by the native cultures and left behind very
little of their traditions. Most of his case is built on archaeological
evidence.
	An anecdote: when I interviewed Fell by phone a year ago, he was in the
middle of studying a site in Mexico where inscriptions that appeared to be
Christian and Muslim had been found in the stones of a Mesoamerican site.
His tentative theory at the time was that the inscriptions were made by
explorers who had been enslaved by the Mayans as stone-cutters, and these
were their signatures on the stones (most Mayan stones have signatures on them,
he said, just not Christian or Muslim-looking ones).

I'm sorry, I have to log off now. I'll be back with the thrilling part 2
of my post later. *blush*


A
A
From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: property in native american societies of the past
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:43:08 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

The false idea that Indians had no concept of property has been
an extremely useful one, and has been used extensively as legal
justification for the extinguishment of native land rights.

Essentially, it says that you never conceived of ownership,
but we did, and therefore we own it. The argument only
works if you don't look too closely at the false assumptions
it begins with, or if you have enough force to back it up,
and can stomach your face in the mirror in the morning.

Talk about blab it and grab it philosophies. Of course, in
reality, the high-falutin' sophistries were expressed in
smash and grab operations, giving lie to the whole rationalization.

If you didn't own something, you wouldn't take up arms against
those trying to take it! And that did occur repeatedly, and
didn't cease until the numerical superiority was overwhelming. And
it's not completely over yet.

The only difference between the "civilized" thief and the "barbaric"
thief is that the civilized thief offers all sorts of elaborate
arguments for why it's not really thievery, and then steals it,
while the other simply takes it without further ado. I think
George Washington said that it was particularly evil to fall into
the first category.


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