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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: More whining about F1 being international
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:06:54 GMT

   

This has nothing to do with racing, but...

   In article <vslnrck.esprit@netcom.com>
   esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:

   Do you have any doubt that the NBA competition is the world
   championship of basketball?


I do.  In fact I think this is a totally inappropriate statement.

I think that US Basketball is (without a doubt) heads and shoulders
above the rest of the world.  This makes the NBA the league with the
best players and (I admit it wholeheartedly) the most exciting to
watch.

However, IMHO this does not make the NBA the world championship.  It
is a "closed" league, a national league.  The world championship has
to be an international competition (by your own words) open to all
countries.  That the US would win it, there is no doubt about it (see
the Olympics for a reference), but still that would make the US world
champion, and not the WhateverCity Smashers :-).

Just my 2c.

-Miguel

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Generic Racing Tidbits
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.165731.4576@dracut.keps.kodak.com> rbt@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Bob Tufts) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.180049.22987@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>> 
>> 2.  NASCAR:
>> - Sunoco will drop its sponsorship of the Billy Hagan team
>> at the end of the season (Terry Labonte).  There have been
>> rumors that negotiations are underway for Sunoco to become
>> the official gas of NASCAR, replacing Unocal.  The Hagan 
>
>Say it isn't so! What will happen to the "hat-man"? You know, the
>guy who kinda looks like Kenny Rogers that changes the hats for
>the winner in Victory Circle. It's my understanding he's a Unocal 
>person. (Please tell me that this guy did something besides change hats :-)
>
>-Bob T.

I believe his name is Bill Broderick, who has been with Unocal for
a long time -- maybe back to when it was 'Pure'.  Not sure of his
"official" position within the corporation, but the "hat-man" duties
sure do lead to a lot of prime on-camera time.

At most of the races, notice that he's always the first guy to the
car in victory lane.  I read something once about how orchestrated
and serious the 'hat-exchange' really is.

Wonder if Sunoco is accepting applicants?

-c'ball-

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From: hagood@sabre.den.mmc.com (Dave Hagood)
Subject: Re: World or national series?  (was: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1)
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:51:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.163716.20790@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|> [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> Environmental laws, particularly surrounding these type of fabrication
|> houses, in the USA are much more stringent in the USA.  These laws have
|> virtually shut down the little guys who used to exist in this country.
|> 

	As a specific example, all the magnesium wheels used in IndyCar
racing come from the UK.  The main reason for this is that the environmental
regulations are such that a US-made magnesium wheel would cost something
like 3-4 times the cost from the UK.  Obviously, this makes no kind of
financial sense.

	I am really sorry to hear of the demise of the Truesports chassis
development effort.  While the TR92 chassis appears to have a relentless
understeer problem (according to AW, caused by the long wheelbase chassis
format), they were making progress...

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Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 08:02:51 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    INDYCAR news - Eddie Cheever

The newspaper , Orlando Sentinal, reported yesterday that
Chip Ganassi owner of the Scotch/Target Indycar team had
fired driver Eddie Cheever. Now the paper here is a waste
of good trees and rarely if ever bothers to even mention
any racing news. It's either a 2 line squib in the racing
is not a sport but we didn't know where else to put it
area, or it's a banner headline RACECAR DRIVER INJURED/
KILLED. Like that's the only racing news any of their
readers would be remotly interested in. Now that I have
that off my chest the article goes on to quote Cheever
as saying something on the order of, Nobody could win
in that car (with that team). I didn't get a chance to
see the article myself, a coworker and fellow racing
nut like myself told me about it. I checked R.A.S
several times yesterday but didn't see anything to
verify the story. Does anyone have the story here
or is it a bogus report.
                               Mike
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Bubba (NASCAR)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:05:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.202525.9653@pixel.kodak.com> jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow) writes:
>we wouldn't be writing this.  It has to start at the grass roots level.
>The fans like us have to, slowly but surely, change the stereotypes of others
>by talking to them about how great our sport is in a non-arrogant way.
>-- 

.....and that's exactly why I went to the effort to get PITSTOP on the
air, and on a 24-hour stick and ball station!  And I truly believe that
we HAVE converts, as the day-time show hosts are actually receiving
calls now and then from listeners who have something to say about
motorsports.

You know, one very real way to get newbies out to the races I've
discovered.....free passes now and then.  What a unique idea!
I've discovered that all some folks need is to witness just one
race live, and they'll come back.  Now, we're not talking about
the real professional stuff here (Winston Cup, IndyCars, IMSA), 
but moreso the local, weekend amateur level, be it oval tracks,
road courses, karting, drags, etc.  Especially easy to do with
say, SCCA regional-type events, who don't ever really relay on
a paying gate to cover their expenses -- that comes from participant's
fees.  So what if you give away 50 free passes for a weekend event -
they may come back next time and purchase a ticket.  And even if
they are there on a pass, it still makes the concessions happy and
ups their biz.

-c'ball-

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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: NASCAR: request for Bristol results
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:06:06 CDT



Could somebody do me a favor and post (or send me e-mail) the complete
finishing order of Saturday nights race at Bristol. Laps completed for
each driver too. My local newspapers printed nothing about the race, not
even who won. And the always reliable (ya, right) USA Today printed the
top 10 and that was it. I subscribe to Winston Cup Scene, but that will
get to me in about 2 weeks (I find that real helpful).

Thanks,
-Dean
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From: ngoldber@nyx.cs.du.edu (norm goldberg)
Subject: Rahal has a big mouth
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:36:17 GMT

     Can you believe the nerve of Rahal to say that he is the championship
leader and you don't race him because of that very reason!? I think Rahal
should deflate his ego somewhat. Johansen, being a european,with an
upbringing through the rough and tumble world of european raceing just
treated the situation just like any other driver coming from F1,F3000,F3
etc...If you don't get out of the way they will just take you out of the
way themselves. The bottm line is that european drivers are much less
forgiving than north americans and usually won't think twice about putting
you off if the chance arises. When Johansen was being held up by Danner in
detroit earlier this year,he simply punted him off the road and into the
tires.

     Personally that is what i feel makes the europeans much better
drivers.They give 100% and never give an inch to anybody regardless of who
they racing.They come from a much tougher school.Right now the only guy i
can see capable of driving with the F1 boys is Micheal A. Little Al is
just to nice.

     As well,did you guys see who rushed to Eric Comas' aide after his
huge accident at spa? It was none other than his highness Senna.He stopped
on the track and leapt out of his car to help comas.I Guess he is human
after all! Well,it was nice to see some commaraderie for once from the
heartless world of F1.

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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Subject: F1 Belgian GP HELP!
Followup-To: jeff@pangea.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:51:43 GMT

Help! I somehow programmed my VCR to tape the Belgian GP on Sunday August 29,
except the race was really on Sunday August 30! If anyone in the Bay Area
has a tape they are willing to lend me, please respond by e-mail!

Hopefully I've set the distribution and follow-up right.

Thanks in advance,

Jeff Freymueller
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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: Re: F1: world sport? (was Re: Proposal: rec.au
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:22:07 GMT



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From: kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter)
Subject: Re: IndyCars @ RA
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.182753.2864@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>- THIS WEEK'S REQUISITE FUEL MILEAGE COMMENTS:  Since it's always
>his lead-in comments, I now have figured out Paul Page must own
>a gas station somewhere.  Also, was the Corvette Pace Car Breakdown
>(not commented on obviously on ESPN) really the fact that it ran out
>of gas??  If so, this would substantiate the need to focus on the
>subject of fuel economy at RA (and everywhere else they've run).
>Perhaps they should be using a GEO METRO in the future as a pace car.

It stalled, sat for a while, restarted, stalled again, and restarted and
went to the pits....

>- PLANES, TRAINS AND ....:  Derek Daly uttered the words "Freight Train"
>several times.  Note that this comparison is ONLY applicable to NASCAR.

NO, behind 11-11A (the kink area) there are some Freight Train tracks...

>- I was shocked ESPN didn't have some sort of camera focused on the
>Scott Goodyear incident and what predicated the problem.  Or did they
>simply choose not to run the footage?

doubt the latter. I'd guess they missed it.

>- It would've been interesting to at least make an attempt to find out
>from someone within the Mario Andretti team to find out if Mario really
>did have a specific problem in T8, where he was obviously losing a lot
>of positions during the course of the race.

Don't understand why he was having so much trouble there.......

>- Did Eddie Cheever ever appear back in his pits after his ride was
>over, or is he still somewhere back in the woods?

He left the corner. Don't know if he made it out of the woods past the
deer and fox.

>- TRACY'S SATURDAY INCIDENT:  Were just the boy and his dad the ones
>inside the tent camper, and subsequently seen exiting very fast after
>Paul's car came to a rest?  A funny scene if (like the old clown-car
>trick at the circus) bodies continued to climb out of the trailer.
>Luckily, no spectators appeared to come in jeopardy to this incident.

The way I figure it, they have to have been associated with some team to
get into there with the trailer....  even if you buy paddock access, you
can't park in the paddock except for crew and workers and the like.

			Kevin
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Italian cars (was Re: Another Fiat Question)
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:55:02 +0000

paal-sb@hsr.no (Paal Steinar Berg) writes..

>I've got an '80 Alfa Romeo Alfetta 2.0 L with 200 000 km on the clock
>and I have a problem with the engine. It starts an runs, no problem,
>but when i open the throttle wide below 3000 revs, it stutters and
>pulls unevenly. Other then that it runs beautifully. It has never
>died on me, and starts every morning on the first turn. Anyone got
>any ideas about the stuttering??

        (i) This probably doesn't belong on rec.autos.sport

        (ii) Sounds like carburettor: Worn or blocked jets or
        bearings.

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From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Belgium spoilers: sandbagging?
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:00:04 GMT

In article <kecZreX0Bwx_8EjuRB@transarc.com> Dino_P._Chiesa@transarc.com writes:
>What are the chances that Mansell was sandbagging after the second
>tire change, when Schu was leading?  The story on Nige was that his
>engine was off.  Wouldn't that have been only the second time this
>year that a Williams-Renault experienced engine trouble in a race?
>And why didn't Patrese, et al, catch him if this were the case?

>And another thing:

>I thought it would be most interesting to see Schumacher on the podium
>after this, his first win ever, as Germany's anthem was played.  But
>ESPN cut out just as it was beginning, and just as Schu looked like he
>would burst with pride.

On the BBC broadcast, at the post race interview, Nigel said that one
half of his exhaust fell out (or something to that effect) and he lost
500 to 700 rpm even though he was going flat out.  This was the new
Renault engine btw, and that Patrese also experienced the same problem
towards the end, which explains why he didn't catch Mansell.

James Hunt was excellent this time as well, pointing out that
Schumacher was in fact ahead (taking into account the tire stop) even
though Nigel was leading with his rain tires.  Sure enough after Nigel
stopped, Schumacher was ahead.  Varsha just kept spewing out mindless,
meaningless statistics throughout.  Bleech!  :-(

The podium scene was great, both Nige and Rick congratulated Michael
and spraying him with lots of champaign.  Big smiles throughout. The
post race interview was also good, Nigel was very complimentary to
Michael, but he was very pissed at Alesi for bumping him.


eliot
From: markf@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:38:18 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
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dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller) writes:
: Kinda doubt it.  But I do think that Billy Bob's seat will be open at
: the end of the year.  Schumacher's clearly earned his spurs. 
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I have to disagree with you there. I am firmly of the opinion that
Schumacher does not deserve the seat that he has. Think back over his F1
career so far and count how many races he has finished without actually
hitting anyone or losing the car through over exuberance.

Just my opinion, for what its worth, flame proof suit on.

: I wonder if Nige and Gerhard will be speaking.  Berger, for my tastes,
: tried a little TOO hard to squeeze nige on the two times Nige passed him.

Hmmmmmm maybe, I thought that it was simply great racing. Berger had a
spate of driving a little hard a while ago, going for non-existant gaps
like at Monaco, but he seems to have gotten over it now.

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Clifford Allison's accident
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:21:27 GMT

Regarding Clifford Allison's fatal accident, the following
information is taken from National Speed Sport News:

It looked to observers along pit road and on top of the trans-
porters in the garage to be a hard crash but not particularly
destructive.  So why did Allison die?  That's a question that many
of the drivers would like answered.  They want an answer so that
some good can come from a tragic situation.

The car first hit the outside wall on the right front, spun around
and hit with the rear and then hit flat on the driver's side according
to those watching.  An somewhere in all of the turning and hitting of
the wall it seems apparent that Allison's seat dislodged from its
moorings.

Four aircraft bolts hold the seat to the bottom of the roll cage.  At
the top of the seat a solid metal flange is bolted to a roll bar.  It is
speculated the bolts holding the top flange broke permitting too much
lateral movement of the seat.

It is no, however, the seat alone that keeps the driver secure.  An
elaborate seat belt/shoulder harness set-up holds drivers snugly in
place, as well.  In recent years the positioning of the shoulder harness
has been improved upon;  the result of data from injuries suffered by
drivers like Richard Petty and Neil Bonnett.  One improvement, not
mandatory under NASCAR rules, is a hoop welded to the roll cage directly
behind the seat.  This hoop inhibits lateral movement of the shoulder
strap and could, in the case of a serious accident, help prevent
sideways movement of the driver should the seat break loose from its
mounting.

Several teams were busily installing the hoop Friday morning after the
first round of practice.

-----
I decided to post this particularly for the information of you guys/gals
out there who sit in the driver's seat.  Hopefully, you'll double check
your seat mountings.
-----
The Allison family is requesting that any donations you might like to
send on be made to Children of Clifford Allison, National Bank of
Commerce, 3059 Warrior River Road, Hueytown, Alabama  35023.  Clifford
is survived by his wife Elisa and three children, Brandon 12, Tanya 8
and Leslie 7.

-c'ball-

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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: F1: Answers to recent trivia
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:30:40 GMT


I miscalculated 1988.  Senna did clinch the title in Japan, but in a different 
way than I was looking for.  He was only 3 points ahead of Prost going into 
Aus, but Prost could only gain 3 points because he had to drop 6.  This would 
have made them even on points and Senna had 8 wins to Prosts 7.

                                     1988 Formula One Results

   			 		     B       M C  D  F   G H B I P  E  J A
   			 		     R  S  M E A  E  R G E U E T O  S  A U
   			 		     A  M  C X N  T  A B R N L A R  P  P S TOTAL
12 McLaren-Honda MP4/4   Ayrton Senna-Bra   [-- 9  a 6 9  9  6 9 9 9 9 a 1/ 3/ 9 6] 90/94 (57)
11 McLaren-Honda MP4/4	 Alain Prost-Fra    [9  6/ 9 9 6/ 6/ 9 r 6 6 6 r 9  9  6 9] 87/105 (46)

Bra   p+9
SM    p+6
mc    p+15
mex   p+18
can   p+15
det   p+12
fra   p+15
gb    p+6
ger   p+3
hun   even
bel   s+3
ita   s+3
pro   p+5
esp   p+5 (P only gains 3 pts)
jap   s+3 (s gains 8 and p gains 0)
aus   s+3 (s+p both only gained 3 pts)



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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Italian cars (was Re: Another Fiat Question)
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:28:40 GMT

>Paal Steinar Berg writes..
>
>>I've got an '80 Alfa Romeo Alfetta 2.0 L with 200 000 km on the clock
>        (i) This probably doesn't belong on rec.autos.sport
>        (ii) Sounds like carburettor: Worn or blocked jets or
>        bearings.
>
This does not belong on rec.autos.sport. This is for the SPORT of auto racing.
The last good Alfa was the 8C2900. Or perhaps the 33 or Brabham/Alfas.
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From: idc@ukc.ac.uk (I.D.Catchpole)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Berger to Ferrari
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:39:02 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


Just read on the Ceefax service here in Britain that
Gerhard Berger has left McLaren and gone to Ferrari.
He will be replacing Ivan Capelli, and Jean Alesi
will be his team mate.  Ferrari gave no details of
the agreement, but Berger will be holding a press
conference on Thursday.

Ian
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