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From: Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Axl's Departure!
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 16:03:17 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

<TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> "It's better to burn out...than to fade away!"  Def Leppard
 
Neil Young, not Ded Leppard, said it first.
 
--Don

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: victor@canrem.com (Victor Kamutzki - user account)
Subject: Re: DREAM THEATRE/ INFO PLEASE
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 19:45:05 GMT

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>scaruffi@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Piero Scaruffi) writes:

>>4. What label are they on?
>
>Prozac.
>
>Oops, I mean Atlantic!

Check the CD in the CKCU library.  I think you'll find it's on Atco.
That is, if you _really_ want to find out.  :-)

Victor
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: mega@lut.fi (Mega the Root of All Evil)
Subject: Re: Neurosis (was Re: New Stuff? Best so far?)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:07:29 GMT
	<1992Sep4.115010.6508@iscsvax.uni.edu> <37834@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


In article <37834@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ) writes:

	   (Note that "Souls At Zero" is on Alternative Tentacles, the 
   label famous for Dead Kennedys and (I think) other punk/hardcore
   stuff.  Neurosis does not fit into that category at all -- however,
   in one store, that's where I found the CD stored)


 Alternative Tentacles has released many great albums which cannot be
 described to punk/hardcore. One of the best band (along Dead Kennedys)
 on this label is NoMeansNo. They have put out some really bizarre stuff
 which kicks you off your feet. Check out albums like Wrong,0+2=1 and
 their live album Live and Cuddly.


--
 ===============================================================
 I E-mail: mega@lut.fi                                         I
 I "If every fourth animal in the world is a beetle,           I
 I  perhaps every fourth person is a dumb fuck." - NoMeansNo - I         
 ===============================================================
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Metallica "Let It Loose"
Keywords: No Life 'Til Leather
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:09:36 GMT

In article <10SEP199214541243@elroy.uh.edu> st1o4@elroy.uh.edu (Ortiz, Jose) writes:
>
>
>
>  You'll find Metallica's cover of Savage's "Let It Loose" on their NO
>LIFE TIL LEATHER demo...it's a classic because Mustaine sings it. 
>

Really? Shit, if this is true, I need a new copy of "No Life Til Leather"
because it ain't on the one I have had for 5 years. Anybody want to confirm    
this?

					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple M. Moriji)
Subject: Re: Posers leave this newsgroup now!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:49:44 GMT


vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike) writes:
: 
:Oh happy happy, joy joy.  I've been back less than a week, and already Maple
:is once more making his odious presence known, with characteristic idiocy as
:that found below.  Apologies, folks, but I can't resist my base urges to char-
:broil the Anencephalic Wonder Boy one more once...
: 
:And we'd rather not take any more (note spacing) of your witless shit.  
:What of it?         
: 
:Matter of fact, it's called alt.rock-and-roll.hard.  Having problems reading 
:again, Maple?
: 
:Oh, that's too entertaining. *You* didn't do a thing when it was being formed,
: except sit there and mouth off as usual.    
: 
:Well, it obviously ain't beloved, if they're not using it.  But more to the 
:point, you? Destroy?  *HAH!*  You couldn't destroy a bug if it were two inches
:from your shoe!  Not to mention the fact that you have no authority to do
:anything of the sort, so why are you sounding off about it?  Just your typical
:need to make inane noises?
: 
:This one is too cliche to merit response.
: 
:I hope not.  I'd probably die laughing.
:    
:Oh my goodness gracious.  We are all so terribly frightened of you, Maple.  We
:would all be shaking in our shoes if we were not petrified.  Please don't hurt
:us.  We promise to be good little monosyllabic morons like you....

Imagine what El Duce would say if he were here:

"Shut up bitch!"

BTW, does anyone know when the new Mentors album is coming out?

C++ ya,

Maple

--

 /----------------------------------------------------------------------------\
 | Maple Metal Moriji            |  Through boiling clouds of thunder         |
 | The Poserkiller               |  Blasting bolts of steel                   |
 | maple@seas.gwu.edu            |  Posers going under deadly wheels          |
 | George Washington University  |  He is the Poserkiller                     |
 \----------------------------------------------------------------------------/
From: v107smub@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Balakrishn Nair)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: New Testament Album: ANY COMMENTS ??
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi there dudes,

I was wondering if any of you dudes would give me some 
feedback on what you think of the new Testament album
"Rituals".  I have NOT listened to Testament before
and was contemplating on buying this album. As a guitarist
myself, I wanted some opinion on Alex Sckolnick's (excuse
the spelling!) guitaring.. on the album... and the music
in general.  Is it worthwile ??  I was quite impressed
by Megadeth's new album compared to their older ones..
so that should give you some idea on my musical tastes.

Thanks in advance!!

Bala.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: The Poserkiller's back!!
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:43:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.044908.28454@seas.gwu.edu> maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple M. Moriji) writes:
>I have returned, you posers!!!!  What's all this shit about me being an idiot,
>Azrael?  I guess you're just another poser.  Who gives a fuck about this loser
>Suaron anyway?  You thought he was my master?  NOT!!!  He was a pathetic loser

		MAPLE'S MONOLOGUE DELETED

So what does this speech have to do with metal, you who complain about the
"lack of heavy metal" on the net?

So I guess now we all have to talk about bands who have only sold maybe five
copies of their album (or demo) because any band with multiplatinum sales
is now deemed "poser" again. Well, Maple, I hope you don't start ranting on
the superiority of Danzig and Slayer over the other metal bands again. 
If you still think that way you should get into the less mainstream
nonconformist stuff.

philip
"Washington Boulevard, east-bound. Thirty-three...Can I get a transfer, man?
Ninety-five cents?! FUCK YOU I'LL SKATE TO THE BEACH, AND I'LL LOOK BETTER
GETTING THERE!!!" - Faith No More, "Death March"
e-mail Philip Wang at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: Re: DIO/Black Sabbath
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 10:45:29 GMT

In article <8eeBG2K00VpG81FEw5@andrew.cmu.edu> Kerwin Yap Chua <kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>As to Ronnie James Dio going back further than ELF:
>RJD was in several bands before Elf, which was originally called The
>Electric Elves (nice corny seventies name).  Before that was Ronnie Dio

Actually it was nice corny sixties name; The Electric Elves existed
from late '67 if my memory serves this time.

>and the Prophets, which put out a bunch of singles in the late sixties
>but no albums, and before that was Ronnie and the Red Caps, which at
>best was probably a garage band.

I think that The Red Caps (which was originally known as Vegas Kings
(or Vegas Kings was originally called as Ronnie Dio And The Red Caps))
was Dio's school band. They made one single back in '58.

>Wierd Trivia:  RJD gives his birthyear as 1949.  However, the Red Caps
>were documented as doing performances as early as 1961.  RJD singing at
>12?  Anybody know how old RJD really is?

If Ronnie was born in 49 he was 9 years old when he recorded the
single. Some other sources state he was born in 48. When I met him, I
almost asked about this but then I didn't want to 'touch his private
life'. I'm quite sure when he was born but I don't want to tell it
publicly because Ronnie doesn't want it to be known.

--
  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?
From: v095qhyg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DINO ORFANOS)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Kiss Tour
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep5.032259.1832@seas.gwu.edu>, maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple M. Moriji) writes...
> 
>cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (James E. Cummings) writes:
>: 
>: Does anyone know when Kiss will be on tour
> 
>KISS IS NOT METAL.  GO TO ALT.R-N-R.HARD.ON AND POST ABOUT YOUR
>POSER BANDS THERE!!
> 

    Ah give me a break!!!!  Another poor excuse to flame someone.  That is 
just a matter of opinion and I have seen other bands, who can be considered
posers, that are still posted here.  Why don't you ask for them to be posted
somewhere else.  Also recently there has been quite a few articles already
posted about Kiss and not one person either complained or mention something
similar to what you said.  Why decide to complain now???

	Anyway to answer James question:  Kiss should be on tour any day
 now.


>C++ ya,
> 
>President Maple

Dino Orfanos
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: fate@eskimo.celestial.com (Craig Stykel)
Subject: Rob Halford dead???
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:54:25 GMT

I was told by a co-worker that she had heard that Rob halford had 
died....
I had a hard time believing her saying this...
I need to know for sure from people in the know....
Let me know....
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: DIO/Black Sabbath
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 10:40:52 GMT

In article <2681.1076.uupcb@satalink.com> joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler) writes:
>To: azrael@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>
>AA|          Hey Tapio would you like to handle this one?
>
>If he sees this when he returns home from the UK, I'm sure he will.

I've now returned back home (it was great to meet Ronnie!) so my
replies are 'bit' late....
>
>AA|          Last in Line (9/10)
>
>Really?  This is my least favorite Dio album.

This is my second favourite Dio The Band album..... Holy Diver is the
first. I really love the Evil Eyes song on Lsat In Line....
>
>AA|          The elf albums are very distinctive so be warned...:).
>
>I'd be curious to see what Tapio has to say about this.    His list goes
>further back before Elf.

My list is not ready yet... I'll try to finish it as soon as possible,
but I'm really busy right now. I have a list of Dio records I have and
I'll post it later today or tomorrow.

--
  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll.metal:9890 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy:2787
From: gferg@hoop.csd.sgi.com (Greg Ferguson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Reviews of recent releases
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:13:16 GMT
Reply-To: gferg@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.120609.6554@iscsvax.uni.edu>, turner5427@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|> >                                       CLARK          TOM (me)
|> > Recap of recent releases:
|> > 
|> > Black Sabbath	Dehumanizer		**
|> > Iron Maiden	Fear Of The Dark	*** 1/2
|> > Killers	Murder One		***
|> > Megadeth	Countdown To Extinction	** 1/2          
|> > Motorhead	March Or Die		**
|> > Pantera	Vulgar Display Of Power	****     ????   **
|> > Testament	The Ritual		***              
|> > Trouble       Manic Frustration                       ***
|> 
|> How many people really like Vulgar better than Cowboys?  I was expecting
|> something much more involved and progressive from Pantera and they go and make
|> an album that sounds like they just got together yesterday to record their
|> first album.

I agree. Same old stuff, different cover. It's ok, but not real interesting
in my opinion.
 
|> I don't know how many of you have heard or have this Trouble CD, but I really
|> like it.  

Other ones to have that were released this year...

Corrision of Conformity	"Blind"
White Zombie		"La Sexercisto: Devil Music Vol I"
Pitch Shifter		"Submit"
Entombed		"Clandestine"

...I'd have to say that these (along w/Megadeth's new one) pretty
much round out my Top 5 for this year (so far)...

-- 
MOSH!
Ferg      "Don't hold me back...this is my own hell..."
                                                - Godflesh
Greg Ferguson - SGI CSD R&D - gferg@csd.sgi.com
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: donnell@sponge.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Savatage Update
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:02:58 GMT

In article <27005.2AA9BFB0@psycho.fidonet.org> Curt.Shehow@p33.f75.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Curt Shehow) writes:
> Well, I mentioned to someone that Savatage hadn't broke up, but I heard
>on the radio yesterday that John Oliva has just joined another band. I
>wasn't paying too much attention at the time. If anyone wants that to be
>verified or anything, I'll call up the radio station and ask them.
>                                                                 Cs.
>
>
> " So let's pack it up and take it somewhere special...
>   from a quintessential, existential nightmare
>   to a sanctuary waiting in the sun."  - FNM
>
>
>Internet : curt@psycho.fidonet.org
>
>--  
>Internet: Curt.Shehow@p33.f75.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG
>UUCP: ...!myrddin!tct!psycho!75.33!Curt.Shehow
>Note:psycho is a free gateway between Usenet & Fidonet. For info write to
>     root@psycho.fidonet.org.

Oh Please get this verified! Especially since John supposedly broke up
'Tage because he didn't want to do music anymore. Hmmmm...

					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Reviews of recent releases
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:26:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.142805.2265@dvorak.amd.com> jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka) writes:
>>Personally though, I prefer "Power Metal" <containing the incredible "We'll
>>Meet again"> to either of them.
>
>I have to agree with this. Even though I love both Vulgar and Cowboys, 'We'll
>Meet Again' I think is still their best song yet.
>

Great song.  Too bad the CD also contains "Proud to be Loud" by Marc Ferrari.
Pantera's WORST song.

>-Jeff-
 
-Rick
From: andrewc@spider.co.uk (Andrew Cannon)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Suaron
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:59:14 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <geebtUm00UhB81nlMs@andrew.cmu.edu> jn2i+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Adam Nimpfer) writes:
>Suaron realized that heavy metal is satanic and converted to
>Christianity.  I have won my war.  Now that your beloved leader is gone,
>perhaps you will follow.
>                                               
>                                                             Peace

Oh god, not you as well. Can't you and Maple "DickBreath" Wanker just bugger
off back to the rock you've been hiding under all summer and let the metal
fans post about music.

I hav'nt seen any reviews of Donnington on here yet so here's mine:-

     Monsters of Rock, Castle Donnington 20/8/92

The Almighty - Brilliant. One of the best open acts at Donnington ever.
               Watch out for them, thhey will be the next Motorhead.

WASP - OK, but their new material is a bit average (weak) Maybe it needs a bit
       of listening to.

Thunder - Brilliant. Free/Bad Company re-born ? Lead singers voice is awesume,
	  it just gets stronger and stronger. If they hit America, go and see
	  them. New material is as good as the first album, very bluesy possibly
	  a bit commercial but who cares ?

Skid Row - I did'nt like Skid Row before and I certainly don't like them now.
	   Their material sounds like badly written Judas Priest/Motley Crue/
	   covers. Some songs were sing-a-long-able (Monkey Buisness, 18 and
	   life) but why does the singer have to swear every other word ? It
	   makes him sound like a retarded schoolboy who's got pissed for the
	   first time. I'll never forgive them for playing the first chorus of
	   'Still Life' by Maiden. 

Iron Maiden - What can I say that has'nt been said many times before ? They are
	      the best live rock band ever. They played well together, Bruce had
              the audiance in the palm of his hand. All the old favourites were
	      there (although they did'nt finish with 'Sanctuary' they played
	      'Running Free' last instead) I liked the new songs (I hav'nt
	      got the last album yet) Good classic Maiden sound.

Overall I've been to better Monsters of Rock festivals, but Maiden were so good
it made it all worthwhile.

What can I say....Get your arse there next year and camp for the weekend.

	   Andy

Opinions are mine, if you don't agree.....Tough. (Flames by email, we've got
enough trouble with Maple et al on the bboard)


-- 
|      Andy Cannon       |"Love is what seperates us from the animals"       |
| Misplaced Yorkshireman |                                                   |
|   Spider Systems Ltd   |"No, what seperates us from the animals is that we |
|  andrewc@spider.co.uk  |don't clean our own genitals with our tongue"      |
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu (Jeremy Lyn Hart)
Subject: Re: Dallas Lollapalooza
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Keywords: LL II
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.162720.2856@bnr.ca>, wakeman@crchh7ce.BNR.CA (John Wakeman) writes:
|> It was awsum!   From the mosh jog to the freak show
|> just unabashed not thoughts required blast.
|> 
|> Imagine, if you will, Chris Cornell wailing away while
|> you careen in a mad circle around a fire, moshing and
|> bumping as you go on.  The verdant hillside provides a
|> soft landing place when you receive the unsuspecting blow
|> which takes you off of your feet.

Well, the Houston show was cool, but a bit different:  we didn't have
a lush, "verdant hillside" to land on.  At the Fairgrounds, the mosh
pit *was* a pit - full of mud and bodies.  The ground kind of dipped
down (I think we actually *mashed* it down), and anybody who went down
came up covered in mud, me included.  It was a blast.  The only problem
was that it was too tightly packed to actually mosh or slam - we had
to kind of "squash-mosh" like sardines in a can.  Pretty wild.

|> You might wonder just what the hell is mosh jogging?
|> I think you'd have to see it to really understand.
|> 
|> Anyway the music(especially Pearl Jam and SoundGarden) was
|> great and a good time was had by all.

I agree for the Houston show, with a couple of reservations:  I thought
SG was *much* better in a club "atmosphere," like when they played
the Unicorn here in Houston with Pearl Jam.  I missed Lush and Jesus
In Mary Chain, and went home before -*gasp*- the Chili Peppers (it
was the only way we figured we'd be able to get out without sitting in
a line of cars for a few hours), and IMHO, Ice Cube and Pearl Jam
were the two best acts - I'm a rap fan as well as a metal/whateverelse
fan, and I was much impressed when Ice Cube did "Gangsta Gangsta,"
from the long-ago "Straight Outta Compton" days.  And Pearl Jam, well,
I don't think I could say anything bad about 'em if I tried (as always,
"Rockin' In A Free World" was spectacular).

Party on, all...

Later.
-- 
Jeremy L. Hart				jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu
"They say they built this fort 2000 years ago
 A man named James carved his name in 1983
 Congratulations, James
 Now you're a dick for eternity
 I don't know what your words for it are
 I just know what it is..."
	- "What It Is," by Too Much Joy, from _Mutiny_
From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Future of this group.
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:40:26 GMT
Organization: none

I am sorry to say that these Ultra-organizational types seem to be using this 
group for somewhat different purposes than others here. As for me, I use this
to trade information, and indulge in light discussion about a music genre
I love. I really don't care to review every new album I buy and submit all
sorts of info about myself and my tastes. <I am trying unsuccessfully to avoid
using the term "anal-retentive here.> Sorry guys.

					--Judex--
<Perhaps a seperate, moderated group would be best for those folks?>
<All IMHO>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: syserror@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Artificial Intelligence)
Subject: Re: The latest ST album
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: The Superior Silicon Race
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:02:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.143641.25975@ugle.unit.no> torf@colargol.edb.tih.no (Tor E. F{gri) writes:
>I completely agree!  This album (CD-version) is the best I have
>heard from ST.  Ok, they have maybe calmed down some notches,
>but with this sort of lyrics and superior guitar-playing, I rate
>this higher than both How will I laugh, and Light, Camera, Revolution.
>

You're kidding, right?!  Their new album is just another sign that all bands
good at one time are now selling out.  "Art of rebellion" is obviously
an attempt at getting radio and eMpTyV airplay and videoplay.  The new
album does not even come with a "Warning: Explicit Lyrics" sticker.  How
can a Suicidal Tendencies album be good if it doesn't piss off Tipper Gore?
No song on the album contains anywhere near the anger or depression of former
albums.  "Art of Rebellion" is outright traitorous.  The group that once
sang "How will I laugh tomorrow when I can't even smile today" now sings,
"What's that?  Now you're saying life sucks?!  Well, 99% of life is what you
make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck!"  This kind of shit should 
be enough to alienate any fan of the old non-pop Suicidal Tendencies.  It
must not be profitable to be depressed.  "Art of Rebellion" may have better
been named the "Art of Commercialism."


>My $0.02 worth ...
>
>-----
>Tor Erlend Faegri                |  E-mail: torf@edb.tih.no
>Software Engineer                |  Office: EDB-avdelingen 
>Trondheim College of Engineering |          Trondheim Ingenioerhoegskole

Artificial Intelligence

-- 
Lifetimes come and go, memories pass and fade;
The frailties of carbon based life shall yield
To the superior permanence of silicon...