HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: alternative groups for Amiga Usenet software (was Re: Cnews questions)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:20:01 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <liam.0b76@durie.amigans.gen.nz>, Liam Greenwood writes:

>     On the the it's (mostly) not broken so it doesn't need fixing, I suggest
> just moving the existing two groups a.s.a.uucp & patches into the c.s.amiga
> area keeping the same names. If people want new names then my suggestion is
> comp.sys.amiga.usenet-sw and .patches as that could encompass all the software
> used/required for Usenet news and mail.

comp.sys.amiga.usenet-sw* would fit the group much better than
comp.sys.amiga.uucp*. Now why didn't I think of that? :-)

Does anyone have any reasons to dislike this?

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From: rick@emma.panam.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Younie)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: sick news partition
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:39:29 GMT
Keywords: kick the cat, beat the wife
Distribution: world
Bcc: emma!rick
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

My hard drive news partition got lobotomized yesterday.  I made several
uucp and Fido calls and they seemed to go normally, but all the incoming
data was lost and none of the logfiles were updated.  So I backed up and
reformatted, but although the format proceeded normally, the data on the
drive wouldn't go away.

So I took everything apart, re-seated chips, low-level formatted and wrote
drive parameters and restored and everything seems ok.  But I'd prefer
that this didn't happen again.  I've lost some data from yesterday that I
have no way of recovering.

Does this sound like a problem with the uucp software?  I suspect it is
more likely problems with my hardware.  This is my setup

   9 meg news partition on an MFM drive with wedge interface - the other
      partition on the drive was fine through all this.  Also the other
      harddrive that shares the interface was and is ok.

   rnews - @($)rnews.c V1.16.14 May 08 1992
      I run this with 'RNews   uucp:c/rnews -1 -h' in uulib:config

   trimnews - @($)trimnews.c V1.16.04 Sep 22 1992

I had this happen about a month ago, but I blamed hard links that time.
I thought the hard drive software probably got trashed just enough that
it didn't remember how to write, only read.  But it is very unlikely that
this could happen twice, and I'm not using hard links any more.  It's
also pretty unlikely that code can get randomly trashed and still run at
all. :)  

Anyone had a similar experience?

Rick
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                          ----'----     ----'----
From: wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: _from problems
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: Kai 'wusel' Siering <wusel@hactar.hanse.de>
Organization: Villa Straylight, Hamburg, FRG
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <boinger.081p@myamy.hacktic.nl>, Paul Kolenbrander writes:

% [Sorry if this gets posted twice, but there were some problems
%  with addressing. Which is what this post is all about... )
%
% I just got a message from my hostnode that DUUCP 1.16 is
% generating _from lines (Not to mistaken with From: lines)
% like the following as the first line of any message by me:
%
% From boinger Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:06:46 MET

It should be

   From boinger Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:06:46 MET remote from myamy.hacktic.nl

Dropping the `remote from' part is no good idea (imho it's a bug).

% According to him this should really be:
%
% From boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:06:46 MET

     The common syntax in the UUCP is the one I stated above. What `he'
want's is the syntax used on internet-only sites (as to my knowledge) --
usually, one's mailer should accept any of them and munge them as
appropriate ...

% As he's getting problems with his host since they don't seem
% to be able to find it in the Maps or something like that. So
% I've changed UULIB:Config as follows:
%
% NodeName      myamy
% UserName      boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl
% RealName      Paul Kolenbrander

Nice workaround =:->

% And now I'm generating the right From lines, but GRn can't
% find my signature or header anymore. And trying to change
% boinger.signature to boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl.signature
% doesn't work as this exceeds the max length of an Amiga
% filename. Anybody able to patch sendmail to insert the
% values from the DefaultNode and DomainName after the
% username? That should solve all the problems. I'd do it
% myself if I had DICE and the UUCP sources...

     I assume someone already has a patched sendmail to do this; but as to
my knowledge, the format sendmail currently generates is pretty legal for
UUCP (I know, this doesn't help you) ...
			kai

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From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: uucico sd.1 Part 1/1 (repost)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:10:25 EST
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <291292u1316@hamburg.uucp>, Kai 'wusel' Siering writes:

> % begin 666 uucico_sd.lha
> Thank you! (Wrong group, but at least it arrived =:->)

I'll add here that the importance of posting sources and binaries to
.patches, besides that being the proper place for them, is that people
archive that group. If you post there, your efforts will get saved for
posterity, and fewer people will be asking to have it mailed to them
all the time.

>      First, this doesn't work with my sendmail (it expects a mail
> (including headers) on stdin -- adding `-raw' would help (just checked));

Problems like this crop up in mail and news readers all the time.
Dillon sendmail, AmigaUUCP+ sendmail, Smail, etc. all have slightly
different interface requirements. Anything that's going to send mail,
including core utilities like uucico, needs to offer some
configurability. A good example of this type of flexibility is in the
ARN 0.72 config file. A horrible example is the Amiga port of tin. Not
only does it want to use the AmigaUUCP postnews program with it's
funny input format, but it needs to find it in UUCP:C! i.e. There's no
reasonable way to use the Amiga tin binary with Cnews. Which is a
shame, because tin would be a great newsreader to have a proper port of.

> Would you please be so kind and change this to
> 
>     sprintf(mailcmd, "run %s <nil: >nil: -f %s -R \"%s\" -t %s -s \"%s\" -raw",
>         sendmail, from, real, to, subject);

How about being kinder and reading the format from a local env
variable, global env variable, or config file?

> uucicos floading around, I really would prefer Steve to release a new
> version.]

Me too. I need to make a debug version runnable from SDB to track down
some more bugs. Or just give up and port taylor uucp.

> Happy new year,

[Someone insert an ascii graphic of a noisemaker going off here]

No, don't or it will get into alt.warlords and you'll never live it
down. :-)

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# Hugh D. Gamble  UUCP: hugh@kink.UUCP  Domain: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca     %
# AMIX: HGAMBLE  bix: hgamble  voice: +1 416 267 6159                        %
# '"U.S. is more restrictive than other places, except maybe Canada."        %
# The kindler, gentler fascists to the North don't consider any form of      %
# self-defense legal.' - Mondo 2000 No. 8                                    %
From: wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: strange cnews problem
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:30:29 GMT
 <1992Dec25.032225.2753@ckctpa.UUCP>
Reply-To: Kai 'wusel' Siering <wusel@hactar.hanse.de>
Organization: Villa Straylight, Hamburg, FRG
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <1992Dec25.032225.2753@ckctpa.UUCP>, Frank "Crash" Edwards writes:

% steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Steve Slade) writes:
% >Ok I have another problem with the latest version from Frank Edwards.  No
% >matter what I do rec.games.rouge articles get tossed in the junk directory.
% >My entry in my active file looks like this,
% >
% >rec.games.rouge 00000000 00000001 y
% >
% >and uunews:rec/games/rouge does exsist.  What is strange is with 220 newsgroups
% >that I recieve this is the only one that does not want to behave.
%
% Does the "sys" file allow it?  Look in NewsCtl:sys for the "ME" line
% and check the subscription list.

Oops? Quoting `cn:man/relaynews.man':

   Articles which contain no  locally-known  (to  the  active
   file)  newsgroups  yet  accepted by the local subscription
   list are filed exactly once, in the junk pseudo-group, and
   forwarded  as usual.  If all newsgroups in the article are
   refused by the local subscription list or are  refused  by
   an x in active file entries, then the article will be dis-
   carded and not filed in junk.

   Locally-generated articles need not be  permitted  by  the
   local  subscription  list but are otherwise processed nor-
   mally; this is for backward compatibility and  perhaps  to
   keep  the  local  subscription list short by not requiring
   general and the like to be named.

In other words: given a valid entry in the active file, the `ME' line is
not even consulted (according to the documentation; haven't checked this
in the source yet) ...

Ciao,
			kai

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From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: ARn problems
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:57:45 EST
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <3QFcs*y20@lemsys.UUCP>, Craig Lemon VE3XCL writes:

>         I have looked up things in the Arn v1.00 manual.  I'm waiting for
> laser printer access in a few days to print out a nice looking one that I
> can stand to read cover to cover.  I'm just saying that I'm familiar with

It's a shame to kill a tree when it's so much easier to find anything
you want to read in an electronic copy. I'm happy just popping up some
extra emacs windows and regexping back and forth to my hearts content.
For regular people, though, it's much nicer to have a hypertext
version of the manual. Again, I'm happy with GNU info from within
emacs or an info reader but for Amiga only s/w is makes most sense for
the documentation to be provided in AmigaGuide format so it can be
browsed from within MultiView.

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# AMIX: HGAMBLE  bix: hgamble  voice: +1 416 267 6159                        %
# '"U.S. is more restrictive than other places, except maybe Canada."        %
# The kindler, gentler fascists to the North don't consider any form of      %
# self-defense legal.' - Mondo 2000 No. 8                                    %
From: br365@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Justin W. Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: UUPOLL Problems
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:21:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have been trying to use UUPOLL that was packed into the AmigaUUCP
1.16 archive, and so far, it has done nothing but crash my system every
time it runs.  I have resorted to filling my crontab full of uucico
commands for the time being.  Could someone tell me if the had this
problem, and if so, how did they fix it..  It could be possible
that my uupoll program is bad, and i simply need a replacement..
if that might be the case, could someone please send it to me in Email,
or post it in .patches or something?!?!  
(if using email, please send it on this path (to save my feeders from
extreme phone bills..)
justin%hybris%mmedia@tssi.com
thanks!!)
 
Thanks for any help/info!!
-- 
Justin Richards   -   Hybris.UUCP
INET: br365@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
UUCP: mmedia!hybris!justin
(soon Hybris.UUCP will be in the maps!)
From: starkg@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Gavin E Stark )
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: AVM 1.3.3 posted to patches
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:30:58 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona

In <boinger.084n@myamy.hacktic.nl> boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:

>> Gavin, it crashes badly here. Frozen mouse pointer and flashing power
>> light. No Guru. Config : GVP030+882/ A2000/ ECS/ WB3+KS3

>Make sure you start it from the directory where it's config file
>is. Seems to be a problem there. :-(

>CYa, Paul

Paul to my rescue again! :)

Yes, for some strange reason (can't take a look at the code now) AVM 1.3.3
must be started from the same directory as the config file.  I will see
if I had time to correct this. 

-Gavin Stark
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Gavin Stark
starkg@gas.uug.arizona.edu
From: clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: ARn problems
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:43:30 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Private UUCP "Twig" Node
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <271292s0710@hamburg.uucp>, Kai 'wusel' Siering writes:

> % Postnews.  I know that PostNews doesn't screw up with things like
> % Article-ID's - it only supplies one if one is not already present.  What
> 
>      It really should treat any header this way -- either leave it alone
> or replace it (add ONLY if not already present) ...

        EXACTLY!  But it doesn't work this way, apparently.

[... ACTIVE file gets sorted discussion ...]

> %      Thirdly, it seems that I can no longer access many CTRL-key functions
> % (like post and Quick Quit (no .grouplist update).  It merely flickers the
> 
> Quick Quit is ^C now; better read the docs before Roland reads this =:->

        I'm using the online help as a reference.  Judging from the clip
you have below, I would wager that I did not receive an updated online help
file in the distribution, but an old one.  I will check on this right away.
 I _assumed_ the archive was complete and made an ass out of me and me.

> 
> % screen and goes merrily about displaying the group list.  Why is this?  I
> % can't post any articles without re-executing Arn with the '-p' option.
> 
> You should be able to:
> 
> uulib:arnhelp.txt
> ---------------------------------------8<---------------------------------------
> [...]

        See above^^

> % I've browsed the manual and searched for keywords on these specific topics
> % but have found nothing.  I have read the Arn v1.00 beta rel2 manual
> 
> Ohoh ... Are you talking about a beta or the final 1.00 release?!
>                       kai

        I'm referring to the final release version.  What I'm saying is
that while I have skimmed the 1.00 docs on the screen, I have read the beta
rel2 docs cover to cover on paper.  I am not new to Arn, merely having
trouble with the release version.  If my archive is incomplete, that will
cure most of my problems I'm sure.  The only other thing I've noticed is a
lot of unexplained crashes when posting articles (ie. exiting the selected
editor and when Arn goes to post the text file).  This is my second attempt
to do this followup.  Sometime the crash is total and complete (ie.
grey-grey-white-software failure, and sometimes just a requestor crash. 
More on this later if I see a pattern to the crashes.

        Once again, my apologies to Roland if my archive is incomplete or
in error.  I don't remeber where I FTP'ed it from, sorry.

> Every absurdity has a champion to defend it.
:-)

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 clemon@lemsys.UUCP clemon%lemsys@xenitec.on.ca  | 1B Electrical Engineering
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From: Lawrence_Chen@lhaven.UUmh.Ab.Ca (Lawrence Chen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: BMS Site LHAVEN.UUMH.AB.CA
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:13:34 MDT
Organization: Lunatic Haven BBS

In a message dated Sun 20 Dec 92  9:01, Dreamer@lhaven.uumh.ab.ca (lawrence
wrote:

 D> I've just had a partial harddrive failure.....I lost my entire BMS:PUB
 D> directory, and I don't have any backups.  I don't plan to recover any
of
 D> the files at this time....in fact the harddrive should have been
retired
 D> long ago, except I can't afford to replace it.  Now its gone and I'm
just
 D> going to have to live without.

 D> The BMS.DB seems to be mostly intact...so if at some point I find
 D> files to make available, I might....but it won't be during this fiscal
 D> year....I'm already over spent as it is 8-(

There's a bug (or feature) of BMS that if you request a whole slew of
files, and the files disappear after the start of the transfer but before
the end...that BMS feels obligated to send you something anyways.  Some
2.5Megabytes of queue requests went out last night before I realized what
was going on.  Some unlucky users are paying for this feature to receive
these null files, just as I spent all of most of this morning
sending.....worse part is my feed site decided it was going to fall back to
2400 bps....

Probably bad too since my request from ftpmail came in the same session.  I
finally killed the connection at 16:00 (I do two outgoing sessions, one at
01:30 and one at 07:00.....)  And, there's a forced call to BMS at 04:00 to
process requests.  Or was....

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

 "Just a crazy Engineer with an Amiga and an HP48sx" - The Dreamer
 EMAIL: Lawrence_Chen@lhaven.uumh.ab.ca or "Lawrence Chen" @ 1:134/3002
 PHONE: +1 403 526 6019                       FAX: +1 403 529 5102
 Lunatic Haven BBS (1:134/3002): +1 403 526 6957 (14,400 HST/v.32bis)
 Lunatic Haven BBS (UUCP):       +1 403 526 5035 (Telebit Worldblazer)
 PRAXIS Society K12 BBS:         +1 403 529 1610 (Telebit T2500SA)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
From: chris@132.236.236.45 (Christopher A. Wolf)
Subject: Re: uucico 1.16 jb.01 (was: uucico)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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In article <Geoff.6hxq@equinox.gen.nz> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
> Hugh D. Gamble (hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca) wrote:
>
> I also use Ami-Back, primarily for the ability to back up multiple volumes,
> but reliable???
>
> From my experience Ami-Back 2.0 is as buggy as all hell [try running it with
> enforcer on]. I recently copied a bunch of stuff from one drive to another
> and found I ended up with corrupted files. It took me a while to work out
> why, at the same time I was running Ami-Back, which was busy stomping on
> memory.
>

I use AmiBack to backup (and occasionally restore) several hundred megs
of data each weak.  Enforcer is constantly running on my system.  I have
never seen the final release version of AmiBack cause an enforcer hit and
have never had it corrupt my system or my backup data.  I was one of the
beta-testers for the 2.0 release and helped Gary track down several hits
that were present in beta-versions but to the best of my knowledge the
final release was enforcer clean.  (Most of my testing concentrated on the
tape-backup and restore aspects though so its possible if you are using
floppies you may be experiencing problems that I have not encountered on my
configuration.)

What revision of the program do you have?  I believe the current revision
is 2.0f.  If you have an earlier 2.0 revision you can call up the
MoonLighter software support BBS in Orlando, Fla.  and download the 2.0f
upgrade for free.  The BBS number is in the front of your AmiBack manual.
If the latest revision does not fix your problem I would suggest you
contact MoonLighter tech support via phone or BBS and describe your
complete configuration and the problems you are having.  They are usually
very helpful and knowledgeable.

> Geoff, Sysop Equinox (equinox.gen.nz) +64 (3) 3854406 [4 Lines]

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From: btiad17!dsbamga!scott@uu2.psi.com (scott buchanan)
Subject: Using uucico from program calls.
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
I am trying to write shorcut workbench programs for driving the use of
uucico for others that use my system.  The programs are to run from
the Workbench in the background.  I'm using Lattice C 5.1 and linking
them with cback.o.  The sequence I'm using is

    sprintf(buf,"run <nil: >nil: bin:uucico -sbtiad17");
    Execute(buf,NULL,NULL);

The problem is the the task bin:uucico as reported by status never
quits and cannot be killed.

I have also linked with c.o such that a cli window opens with the same
result.  Also under some conditions uucico returns but if uuxqt has
files to process it never quits nor can it be killed.

I have also tried

    sprintf(buf,"bin:uucico <nil: >nil: -sbtiad17");
    Execute(buf,NULL,NULL);

What am I doing wrong?

Scott Buchanan: Novice
From: matze@turttwo.tynet.sub.org (Matthias Hank)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: weird problem with ARn 1.00 and .grouplist
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:00:26 GMT
 <dG2cs*O10@lemsys.UUCP>
Distribution: world
Organization: TurtleSystems II, Stuttgart Germany
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <dG2cs*O10@lemsys.UUCP>, Craig Lemon VE3XCL writes:

> In article <LhKbs*vo1@turttwo.tynet.sub.org>, Matthias Hank writes:
> 
> > [...]
> > 
> > All Arn users:
> > --------------
> >         *  You have to sort your ACTIVEFILE once (and every time you change
> >            it)!!! Simply use the AmigaOS "sort" command for this.
> > 
> > [...]
> > ----- snapp -----
> 
>         I still think (from my other thread) that arnmaster should do this.
>  Perhaps a little maintainance update to arnmaster only would cure a lot of
> headaches.  Food for thought.

I agree ;-) Why did this work in previous versions of ARN and no longer in
ARN 1.0 ? Strange.....

Not that i had problems with the sorting (once i discovered the
Errormessages about Grouplist on my Screen, ;-)) ) but i think it would make 
installation more easy, especially for inexperienced Users.

Greetings,
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