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From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Trout seasons (was: Fishing Report: West Virginia)
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:21:36 GMT

(Assorted compugibberish)

>> >>PS How many other states have a YEAR ROUND TROUT SEASON ?  
>> >Colorado does.
>> >-Wayne Trzyna
>> > trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
>> 
>> California does.
>> -Sean Myers
>>  smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.Com
>
>The Great Smokey Mountain National Park in Tennessee and North Carolina does,
>although outside the park seasons are almost certainly different - I've never
>fished those states outside the park.
>Brent Danielson
>jessie@iastate.edu

Nevada and Utah don't close seasons except in special-regulation waters.
Bruce Pencek
bpencek@nevada.edu



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From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Reply-To: sjc@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:22:04 GMT

I used a variety of lines until 5 years ago and have stuck to one: Trilene XT green.	

Most of my fishing involves running my line against logs, weeds, rocks and the XT
seems to hold up more as it is more resistent to abrasions. It is stiffer than the
XL but I also prefer it because of the green color which I believe is less 
noticeable than clear. Most of the "real" (avid) fishermen that I see have XT on
their spools than all other lines. However, I can see myself going to other lines 
for different fishing conditions...Tried the DuPont Stren and thought it was too 
expensive.

-- 
Richard Park	
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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:04:43 GMT

mrt7455@evtprp0b (Michael R Tucker) writes:
>trying to make some good decisions as to what brand of line
>to use.  My requirements are good-to-excellent limpness as I
>am using a spinning rig 100% of the time.  I need good knot
>holding capability. I do mostly river and stream fishing, so
>I need something with good abrasion resistance.  But I also
>do a little saltwater spinning too.  Almost all of the
>fishing I do, salt or fresh, bay, stream, or lake, is light
>tackle, less than 10lb test.  What are everybody's
>recommendations?

	If limpness is your primary requirement, then Trilene XL is my
	favorite.  However, since knot strength and abrasion resistance
	are important, you probably want a co-polymer line.  Both
	Bagely Silver Thread and Trimax are excellent lines.  Trimax
	has done something to make the new stuff a little limper.
	I think silver thread is slightly smaller in dia.  These lines
	also have much less stretch than standard lines which helps in
	hook setting.  -Roger
From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Casting Monofilament
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:16:34 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC


>>Dupont 7/20
>>----------
>>This is a specialty line.  It is absolutely the finest line that I
>>have ever used for spinnerbait or buzzbait fishing in water that 
>>has a little color.  It is also good for heavy pitching or flipping.
>>I don't recommend it for use in wind or for other general use.  One
>>spool of the stuff will last for several years because you only have
>>to put 50 to 75 feet of the stuff on the reel.  see below.


>This is the first time I have ever heard a good comment about this
>stuff.  In previous posts there was a flood of complaints.  It
>is very difficult to get knots to hold, negatively affects lure
>action, likes to birdnest after a little use, tends to bind
>on the reel, etc.  I used it about three times and threw it
>away.  There seems to be a good reason that no other mfg. that
>I know of makes the stuff.

Since I was the originator of the comments about 7/20 I feel
compelled to reply.

1) I pointed out that 7/20 was a SPECIALTY LINE. It isn't suited
   for beginners or amateurs.

2) For suitable knots use the polomar or a 3 or 4-twist  
   clinch knot.

3) I assure you that it won't negatively affect the action of a
   buzzbait and the shape of the line will provide the advantage
   of providing some bouyancy (if desired) when throwing big
   blade baits in the 3/4 and 1 oz range.

4) It will backlash on a baitcasting reel if it isn't thumbed
   properly, but not any more so than other lines.  I agree
   it is tougher to throw in or against the wind, but I mentioned
   that in my original post.

5) This line won't bind on a full-size 5500c or a 
   PR33.  It will bunch up on the little baitcasters.

6) No other manufacturer makes anything like it because DuPont
   holds the patent.

7) To the guy that used it 3 times and then threw it away -- don't
   take comment #1 too personally :-)  Real fisherman have thick
   hides complete with gatorneck.
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From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:27:04 GMT

kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.181020.13860@ll.mit.edu> roe@ll.mit.edu ( Ted Roe) writes:
>>I recently read a book called "The Weather Companion" by Gary
>>Lockhart.  A section of the book talks about weather and fishing.
>>There were several references to fishing and barometric pressure.
>>
>>One was an old American Indian proverb "Fish go down deep means a
>>coming storm", which he goes on to explain by the fact that when the
>>pressure drops the fish go deeper to keep a neutral buoyancy.

>I've looked at this book, too. IMHO, his theories and "studies" showing that
>fish bite better on rising pressure is hogwash. I have read too many articles
>saying the opposite, and experienced too many fishless days after a cold
>front, for this to be true.

This is a rather curious thread.  An instantaneous change in air pressure
from 32" of mercury to 28" of mercury (about the all-time high to the all-
time low) would correspond in a bouyancy difference of roughly 4 feet
underwater.  Of course, air pressure doesn't change this instantly (unless
you're in a tornado), and fish are able to slowly compensate for it by
absorbing gas from/to their air bladders.

I don't think the actual air pressure or change in air pressure has as
much to do with all this as the accompanying atmospheric conditions or
related phenomena.
-- 
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From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<1992Sep9.172847.12700@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:48:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.172847.12700@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:

   This thread (no pun intended) has got me wondering what materials were
   used for fishing line and fly line before the synthetics came into use?

Silk.  Back the old days lines were made of silk.  You had to dry the
line after every use else it would rot in no time.  My grandfather had a
spool he would use to wind the wet line on.  The spool was about 2 feet
in diameter and was arranged so that air would circulate nicely (makes
sense huh?).

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From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 17:35:46 GMT

Michael R Tucker (mrt7455@evtprp0b) wrote:
: 
:      I know that this issue was covered in alt.fishing once
: before.  I didn't pay that much attention to it at the time
: and this is now r.o.f, so I'll pose the questions.  I am
: trying to make some good decisions as to what brand of line
: to use.  My requirements are good-to-excellent limpness as I
: am using a spinning rig 100% of the time.  I need good knot
: holding capability. I do mostly river and stream fishing, so
: I need something with good abrasion resistance.  But I also
: do a little saltwater spinning too.  Almost all of the
: fishing I do, salt or fresh, bay, stream, or lake, is light
: tackle, less than 10lb test.  What are everybody's
: recommendations?
: 
: 
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	From my experiences, there is no better line than Trilene XL for a
	combination of limpness, castability, abrasion resistance and knot
	strength/reliablilty.

	Stren is right up there IMHO as well.  Definitely don't use Shakespeare
	unless you like a stiff line with tremendous "memory" to give you
	a coiled up mess after only a couple hours of fishing. (Especially bad
	using spinning gear). I'm sure other people have reasons for fishing
	with other lines but I'll stick with Trilene XL.

						Good Fishing!


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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:14:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article 92Sep6090936@percival.albany.edu, narten@cs.albany.edu (Thomas Narten) writes:

>Can someone summarize the conventional wisdom regarding best weather
>for fishing?  Specifically, I have read reports (usually lacking in

I recently read that the water's ph level has the biggest influence on
fish behavour including feeding.  This sounds like a good explanation of
why other factors which influence ph level, such as weather, would seem
to be causal when if fact they are only correlated to some degree.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: uncoiling the coiled leader
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

>In article <1992Sep1.183732.2441@newross.Princeton.EDU> jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin) writes:
>
>> Hey ho,
>> 
>> I've tied my own leader for fly casting, and it seems to fly out and unroll
>> OK, but as soon as the stress is off, and it is in the water, it coils up into
>> a big spring, pulling my  fly across the water like a little boat, making the
>> effective length of my leader about two feet, and otherwise bugging the
>> hell out of me.
>

    I keep a small piece of bicycle tire inner tube in my vest and will
    pinch
    it over the leader butt then draw the leader through it under moderate
    preasure
    this serves two purposes; it takes a good portion of the streatch out of
    the
    leader material and in doing so takes the coil out of it as well.....
--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:45:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep9.190811.25785@meaddata.com> gordon@meaddata.com (Gordon Edwards) writes:
|
|I have used DuPont Stren as long as I can remember. This year alone, I have
|pulled a 19 foot boat all over Caesar Creek with 6# line. :-) 

Which brings up the all important question, what is the best line jetskiers?

I talk with a guy awhile back that raved and raved about P-line.  Since I've
never used it I can't make a comments on the stuff.  Anyone use P-line.
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| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Re: Bass vs Trout vs People
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:34:33 GMT

In article <118887@muvms3.bitnet> pro016@muvms3.bitnet writes:
>
>    ARE INNERTUBERS CONSIDERED A TRASH FISH ? IF NOT ANYONE HAVE A 
>GOOD RECIPE ?  I SNAG ONE BY ACCIDENT EVERY NOW AND THEN,I NOTICE 
>WHEN THEIR HOOKED THEY SEEM TO DEFLATE SLOWLY IS THIS NATURAL ?
>

Yes.  This happens all the time on the S. Platte River near Deckers,
Colorado...where the law happens to say "No Swimming or Tubing".  When
the tubes get hooked by fisherman (biggest catch on the river!), they
usually deflate slowly.  A side effect is the educational sounds the
tubers make when hooked!

Brian
From: jerryw@cs.umd.edu (Jerry Wieber)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing Report:  West Virginia
Summary: Fly Fishing
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:27:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

Spent a rather soggy Memorial Day weekend fishing the Seneca Rocks area
of West Virginia.  Nearly 100% of West Virginia is catch and keep, and
the locals apparently put a lot of pressure on the streams with their
bait fishing and spinning gear (for trout!).

My fishing partner and I worked the Gandy River, Seneca Creek, and the
North Fork of the South Potomac River.  The Potomac *is* C&R by Seneca
Rocks (WV calls it "Fish for Fun") and has some huge trout as a result,
from past experience.  The other streams had little visible fish life.

We worked various terrestrials and mayflys, with little effect.  The
fish were in the water, but appeared to be bottom feeding, ignoring the
tempting insect treats proffered on the surface.  Typical late summer
conditions?

One curious fish we ran into was refered to as a golden trout, but
looked more like a sucker.  A Fish and Wildlife warden said that WV
bred this hybrid, and were quite proud of this development.  He (the
warden) shook his head and said it was more like a bastard cross
between a trout and a carp.  Yuck.

Anyway, we are still looking for good fly fishing within four hours of
the D.C. area.  Maybe Western Maryland (Savage River) will be next.

Next up:  Chesapeake Bay fishing off of Point Lookout, salmon fishing
	  in Puget Sound, and an end of the month visit to the Outer
	  Banks.  Eat your heart out :) 

-Jerry
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From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 15:45:18 GMT

In article <369@evtprp0b.UUCP> mrt7455@evtprp0b (Michael R Tucker) writes:
>
>     I know that this issue was covered in alt.fishing once
>before.  I didn't pay that much attention to it at the time
>and this is now r.o.f, so I'll pose the questions.  I am
>trying to make some good decisions as to what brand of line
>to use.  My requirements are good-to-excellent limpness as I
>am using a spinning rig 100% of the time.  I need good knot
>holding capability. I do mostly river and stream fishing, so
>I need something with good abrasion resistance.  But I also
>do a little saltwater spinning too.  Almost all of the
>fishing I do, salt or fresh, bay, stream, or lake, is light
>tackle, less than 10lb test.  What are everybody's
>recommendations?
>

I think I've used just about all the brands and for the application
you describe my choice would be DuPont MagnaThin.
From: dave@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Dave A. Henrich)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Cardinal 3 Wanted (Old Style)
Keywords: Cardinal 3
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:12:48 GMT
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

I've been trying to find an older model Cardinal 3 reel. 
These were made in Sweden in the 1970's. Marketed by Zebco
They were dark green and light mint green in color.
If anyone out there has one that is in
good condition and willing to sell please email me.

Thanks 
Dave

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From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Pier Fishing for Sharks
Date: 12 Sep 1992 02:48:40 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep12.000913.27097@spock.retix.com> cathal@spock.retix.com (Cathal Fitzpatrick) writes:
>
>Hi folks,
>
>I've just been reading in the LA Times today about 3 Great Whites that
>have been caught lately by guys fishing off Manhattan Beach Pier (they
>were all about 6-7 feet). The pier is not very long, and I got
>the impression from the article that the sharks were actually landed
>on the beach after being hooked from the pier.
>
>Anyone out there ever fished for sharks like this ?? What sort
>of tackle is used and is it very common to catch sharks so close to
>the shore ??
>
>Cathal.

Well, when I was younger and still living in the area, I used to
go out onto Hermosa Pier to fish for bonito, mackeral, or whatever
and used to see some of the "regulars" going for sharks.  I'd see
them bait up with a whole mackeral fillet about 8" long and toss
it as far as they could in almost *any* direction! (usually to
the west, though)  I once saw a guy get a 7' Hammerhead.  Lots of
smaller ones too, like Sand Sharks.  Off Hermosa Pier, there was
a stairway leading down close to the water, like a ramp to get
onto a boat, and guys who hooked up to big sharks landed them
from there, rather than beaching them.

When I'm down there, I still try to get in some surf fishing (I
love Corbina fishing!) and always get into smallish sharks in the
2-10 pound range.  Mostly in the summer, and usually within 50
yards of the surf line.  I've had surfers tell me that they've
seen sharks up to 6' out where they were trying to catch waves.
So it isn't uncommon at all to see/catch sharks very close to
shore in the Santa Monica Bay region.
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From: dans@solbourne.com (Dan Scott)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:07:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.192730.5284@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> smithm@furnace.ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew Jacob Smith) writes:
>>
>>All you people are being highly critical of jetskiers, but they fight 
>>much harder than any bass or trout.  The critical part of the fight is
>>when they make that last desperate run for their car.  This is a true
>>test for any tackle.  I usually use a gaff to land them and remember
>>that they have teeth so keep your fingers away from their mouthes.
>>Lately I have been employing a sort of personal taggin program by
>>clipping off a finger before I release them.  Hope this helps.
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>jts@ginny.cmu.edu 
>>John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick
>
>
>
>BTW does anyone have a copy of the current fishing regulations for 
>jet skiers ie bag limit, size limit, and seasons ?-)


	Gee, I guess I'm confused. Are Jetskiers game or trash/fish? I was under
the assumption that there are no limits on trashfish. If they're game, I've been
fertilizing my garden when I should have been panfrying ;-)
	Seriously though, have you tried cleaning any of them? Do  you scale or
just fillet them? How do you get the smell off of your hands?

			Dan Scott
			Solbourne Computer, Inc.

Disclaimer: I'm not in a position to know Solbournes opinions,...yet.
.

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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:39:31 GMT

narten@cs.albany.edu (Thomas Narten) writes:

>Can someone summarize the conventional wisdom regarding best weather
>for fishing?  Specifically, I have read reports (usually lacking in
>either detail or concrete evidence) that indicate that fishing for
>bass and walleye picks up as a front starts to move through an area
>and the barometric pressure falls.  In contrast, high pressuse tends
>to disfavor good fishing.  Can someone recommend a book that describes
>the affects of weather on fishing in a fair amount of detail?
>-- 
>Thomas Narten
>narten@cs.albany.edu

	A storm front coming through definately triggers fish feeding.  I
	have seen both bass and catfish go nuts as the lightning comes
	in from the west on many occasisions.  On the other hand, 
	the main problems with clear high pressure following the fronts
	seem to be light penetration and FALLING water temperatures
	due to the cold front that usually follows the storm.  Both 
	have been shown to negatively affect fishing with the fish 
	relocating to deeper water and tighter to structure where they
	are harder to catch.
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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: Laser guided smart-lures
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:15:23 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: Laser, Lure, Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers) writes:


>     I was watching some saturday morning fishing show a couple of months back
>(it was more like a paid advertisement) and they were pushing these lures that
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aren't they all ?

>*really weird*!!!  Possibly unethical ???

Don't worry.  My brother-in-law, the one who will buy any gimic, bought a 
top water lure like this.  He had to yank real hard to get it to work.
After making such a comotion in the water, the small amount of movement
which occurs afterwards goes unnoticed.  In my experiance, fish are more
attracted to much more subtle presentations.

>     I have to say one thing for them though, they *were* catching fish.

Once again, don't they always :^)

Speaking of fishing shows, I've been watching Honey Hole (on HSE) lately.
I like it because it is realistic, covers only Texas lakes (good for me :^)
and he always shows a map of where he is fishing and the lures he used
at the end of the show.  

And speaking of advertisements, if I see that (We're not going fishin' without
TRILENE commercial one more time I'm gonna scream.

Ok, I'm on my soap box and off of the subject, time to go...


				-Ron

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