From: busta@vicki.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:31:24 GMT


In article <bhayden.725732024@teal>, bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes...
>busta@vicki.enet.dec.com writes:
> 
> 
>>In article <1992Dec29.221407.24874@ryptyde.cts.com>, scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure) writes...
>>>patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger) writes:
>>> 
>>>>In article <1992Dec28.200756.18681@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>>>>>In article <BzzH4s.M60@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
>>>>>writes in "alt.conspiracy":

(some deleted)

>>>>>
>>>>	The "real issue" is that Special Prosecutor Lawrence E.
>>>>	Walsh was appointed by the RayGun Administration to find
>>>>	the truth and ferret out the weasels involved in 
>>>>	Iran/Contra-Gate! One of Walsh's initial reactions was
>>>>	** the fish smells from the head down **
>>> 
>>>So?  What's the big deal about?  
> 
> 
>>  The big deal is that Reagan/Bush and company felt they could do
>> anything they damn well pleased even though Congress and most of
>> the American people said NO to giving military support to the Contras.
> 
>Most of the American people?? Where do you get that?? 
>This was a policy dispute between a Republican president and a 
>Democratic congress. You forget that Reagan was elected by these
>same people that you assume so glibly opposed his policies, by
>a margin significantly higher than Slick Willy's "Mandate". 


  The people who elected Reagan didn't oppose his policies but I doubt
 they intended to give him free rein to do anything he damn well pleased,
 i.e., circumvent Congress.

  I believe that is why the American people voted in a Democratic Congress
 as a means of having a `watchdog' over the Executive Branch.



> 
>>  To Reagan/Bush this obviously meant, lets sell some arms to `moderate'
>> Iranian leaders so that maybe they'll release our hostages, take the 
>> money made from the deal, skim a percentage off the top to line our
>> pockets for the good idea we came up with and send the rest down
>> to support the Nicaraguan opposition
> 
>And exactly how many people working for Reagan have been convicted
>of lining their pockets? Especially with a $31 million dollar budge
>(so far) to root out the evil..

 None that I can recall, but didn't North get some tires for his car and
a home alarm system? Didn't Secord and Poindexter get a few freebies?
I vaguely remember something about this.....

 Sounds more like parting gifts from a game show, but they still managed
to get something....



> 
>>  No big deal.... Laws? What laws?
> 
>>>It's all just a big liberal-sponsored
>>>witch-hunt.
> 
> 
>>  Oh sure. Lifetime conservative Republican Lawrence Walsh is now a
>> liberal on a witch hunt. Too bad we don't have more like him. You know,
>> the kind of person who doesn't take sides based on their political 
>> affiliations......
> 
>I think that a lot of attorneys would have found a lot of dirt for
>$31 million. You can live a long time on that much money.


 So the fact it took a lot of money to discover this illegal activity
nullifies the wrongdoing?


> Besides,
>Walsh has had little to do with the prosecution for a while. There
>are a number of fairly activist prosecutors running the show anymore,
>without any effective control.
> 
>>>  Why should such a powerful position be given to just one
>>>person?
> 
> 
>>  Because the legislative and executive branches granted him that
>> power......
> 
> 
>>>  He doesn't have to answer to *anyone*.  That's just not right,
>>>IMHO.
> 
> 
>>  That's the whole point. He's not a liberal on a witch hunt nor a 
>> conservative trying to protect his buddies. He's out solely for the
>> truth wherever the cards may fall....


  You keep bringing up this $31 million. How much money from the `black
 budget' do you think these people (Reagan/Bush/Poindexter/Secord/North et.al.)
 blew running this scam. No proof, but I'm willing to bet it was far more
 than $31 million.


> 
>And $31 million dollars. After all, aren't all conservative
>republicans greedy?
> 
>>  Doing "unpopular" or "politically incorrect" things to get the job done
>> is fine with me and most likely the rest of the people of the country, it's
>> when people break the law and feel they are above the law when caught is
>> what, well frankly, pisses me off......
> 
>Which laws are you talking about? Jaywalking? Lying to Congress?


 Circumventing Congress, shredding public documents, lying under oath, ad
nauseum....


> 
>>>  It's the way the world works.  It may not sit well with
>>>the average citizen whose only link to the rest of the world is CNN Headline
>>>News.
> 
>> Seems to me that may be YOUR only link to the rest of the world from your
>>above statements.....
>>> 
>>>Ah, but this is all speculation on our part.  The only one who knows
>>>the "real" story are the people involved.
>>  Yeah, like Gene Hausanfus, Ollie North, Poindexter, Secord, McFarlane
>> (who for all intents and purposes admitted to what was going down), etc.,
>> etc.,....ad nauseum.....
> 
>Yes - and he thought (and probably thinks to this day) that he was
>being patriotic in what he was doing. 


 I agree. But the fact that they thought they were being `patriotic' doesn't
put them in a position above the law.....


> 
>>  Ahh... something we can agree on. IF the Clinton administration pulls
>> anything similar or feels THEY are above the law, then I hope Walsh
>> will be re-instated as a Special Prosecutor and go after those people
>> with the same amount of enthusiasm.....
> 
>I don't expect to see the criminalization of policy differences 
>between a democratic president and a democratic congress. 
> 
>Bruce E. Hayden
>(303) 758-8400
>bhayden@csn.org
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