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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Pro Bowl Selections
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: net
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:10:53 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>When was the last time Chicago didn't have any player in
>the Pro Bowl?

UPI answered my question: 1975.

So maybe it isn't Ditka's fault, maybe he just doesn't have the horses.


--Gidi	(way to go nick lowery! keep practicing, stoy!)


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami)
Subject: Re: MNF: Joey's Return
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:00:08 GMT

Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Am I the only one who got sick at the way the MNF bozos
>were fawning over Montana and "eagerly anticipating"
>next week's game

The job of the MNF bozos is to stir up interest in a meaningless
game.  They were looking at a rating death valley, and all of
a sudden there's Joe.  So of course they're ecstatic!  He's the
only reason people will watch that game next week, and the only
chance to get any kind of ratings at all!

Or do you honestly expect their promo for next week to say:
``The Niners have nothing to gain!  The Lions have nothing to
show!  It's like an exhibition game, but less meaningful!
You should all watch Murphy Brown(*) instead!''

Not bloody likely, is it?


--Gidi	(go pats, bills, steelers)


(*) That's only on the East Coast, of course.  Out here MNF only goes
against some reruns of Cheers.
From: sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Greatest Quarterback Ever?
Summary: Joe Montana?  Or not?
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:10:50 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Maryland at College Park

Joe Montana has apparently earned the moniker "greatest quarterback ever."
At first, I laughed at this.  Then I realized that I really didn't have
enough historical perspective to satisfactorily answer this question for
myself.  So, out there, any opinions on quarterbacks who would challenge
Joe for the "greatest quarterback ever" title?

To be fair:
Joe Montana [22 consecutive completions in 1987, won 4 Super Bowls, 
		quarterback of the 80's 49ers]

Candidates [in alphabetical order]:

George Blanda [Maybe "Greatest player who ever had a stint at quarterback,"
		rather than "Greatest quarterback", scored 2002 points in
		26 seasons (which doesn't count TD passes)]
Terry Bradshaw [only other quarterback to win 4 Super Bowls, quarterback of
		the 70's Steelers]
Dan Marino [378 completions in 1986, 5084 yards and 48 touchdowns in 1984]
Bart Starr [winner Super Bowls I and II, quarterback of the 60's Packers, 294
		consecutive passes without an interception in 1964-5]
Roger Staubach [eleven brilliant years for the Dallas Cowboys, and I *hate*
		the Dallas Cowboys]
Fran Tarkenton [342 lifetime touchdown passes, 3686 lifetime completions,
		47003 yards]
Johnny Unitas [47 consecutive games with a touchdown pass, and an otherwise
		brilliant career for the Baltimore Colts]

- Stephen
From: arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM (sudshead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: vikings win second to last game
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:50:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In article 1h2n3iINN2lu@uwm.edu, caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>>I will now expain :-) how I follow the vikes 2nd to last games (not that I'm entirely
>>100% absolutley sure in case someone looks it up). About 6 years ago the Vikes
>>were playing the Oilers in the second to last game of the season and needed the
>>win to make the playoffs. They were playing great and Houston had a shitty year.
>>The spread is vikes +6 at Houston, I head to tahoe and put $3400 on the vikes. The
>>game isn't on TV so I'm waiting for scores and the first I see are Houston 24 Vikes 0.
>
>>Ever since them it seems the Vikes screw up the 2nd to last game of the year. Can't
>>wait to bet Pittsburgh.
>
>suds
>	
>
>	Gosh, hope you didnt bet the farm dude, cause you wouldve
>	lost BIG TIME! Minnesota beats Pittsburgh 6-3. BOOM.
>
>	Mark
>	GO VIKINGS!
>


Nope -- luckily?	I am now married and thus didn't have any money to
	bet that game big. Hell I took the vikes in my company football pool
	anyway. So much for trends.

	
suds
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: FAT LADY GETTING A STROKE!!
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:53:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: PacBell.1993Jan3.195309.3524
Organization: Pacific * Bell

AFC WILD CARD: OILERS vs DA BILLS (Sunday, Jan 3)


1-10  Moon passes to Slaughters, gain of 3...2-7
Moon HO to White, stopped in his tracks, no gain!
3-7 Moon passes deep right to Duncan, INC, great D by Kelso.
The CROWD is the 12th man and the Bills have the momentum.

Reich play fake, pass to Lofton, 1st down.  1-10 HO to
Davis  2-9 Reich shotgun passes deep right, to a WIDE
OPEN Beebe.....play negated, false start!!!!  Very costly
mistake.  2-14  Reich sotgun, screen to Davis, great play,
great run for a 1st down.

1-10  Recih passes deep left to Reed, who is wide open
and back pedals into the end zone for a TD!!
Oopps the FAT LADY is RECANTING she is losing her VOICE!

The Oilers D has made a fatal mistake by playing NOT
to lose instead of playing to WIN!

Oilers   35   Bills  24

4:13 left in the 3rd qtr.....

1-10 Moon drops back,passes to Slaughter, but there is
motion and flags are thrown! 5 yds, still 1st down.
1-15  Moon dropos back, passes deep, tipped by
Slaughter, bad pass by Moon, too high.. Henry Jones INT'd

Ball on Oiler 23 yd line....Ho to Davis 2-7  Reich HO to
Davis, runs right...3-5  Reich drops back, scrambles, 
throws ball away....4-5 and they are going for it!!!!
Reich shotgun....timeout by Reich....
Reich drop back, passes deep middle to the end zone,
TD to Reed!

Oilers   35   Bills  31

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AP Coach of the Year 1992
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:40:28 GMT
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 30-Dec-92 AP Coach of the
Year 1992 4E150M@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (465)

> Quoted from the SF Chronicle (12/30/92) w/o permission:

> The vote:

>      Cowher      23
>      Ross        20
>      Holmgren     9 1/2
>      Green        8
>      Seifert      7
>      Marchibroda  6

so Bobby Ross only lost by 3 votes...that's not too bad. I can't believe
Seifert got more votes than Marchibroda! I guess it goes to show just
how stupid the media can be sometimes......at least they didn't put Levy
in there!

--Vernon.
From: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: For New York Giants Fans
Date: 22 Dec 92 10:14:57 GMT
Reply-To: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Organization: NCR European Development Center

In article <1992Dec22.002632.25620@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
>Ray Handley and Rod Rust **must** GO!!
>
>End of Discussion.
>
>But who can we get to replace them?

 A good question.  I have seen the rumors about Parcells wanting to come
 back here on the net, but who else is available, and could they handle
 the NY Press and us ever - loving fans?

 What coaches are currently available?
 Any college coaches who might make it up in the Pro ranks?

GIANTS in '93!

Frohe Weihnachten!
Merry Christmas!
Joie Noel!
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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Best Facial Expressions of the Week, Foster, MVP 
 Montgomery, Booths
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:39:24 GMT
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 <63102@mimsy.umd.edu>  <JOHNDOE92Dec30.015028@samadams.inmet>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <JOHNDOE92Dec30.015028@samadams.inmet>
johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe) writes:

> i have been in a cave for
> the past couple of weeks except to get nfl scores.  what happened to
> dickerson?  how come he did not play against the skins this past weekend?  i
> am hardly a raiders fan (being a broncos fan generally prevents that), but
> in my semi-objective opinion, i thought dickerson was doing a pretty good
> job running the ball the way the raiders were using him at the beginning of
> the game.  he didn't run once in that game.  what gives?

Yeah, good question...although I've been kinda wondering why the heck
they didn't used Bell more earlier in the season.  I would have
included Allen in this query as well, but if we are to believe Marcus,
Al's the only guy who can really answer this. ;-)

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Are the Falcons really that lame?
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:48:39 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <douthit.725068556@scofflaw> douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
|I'll be in row 3, 50 yard line! :-) I won't give you the section,
|but I am easy to spot. Just look for the MANLY MAN in red! :-)

Hey, John.  Why don't you hold up a poster with a big :-) on it so
we can all find you.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: defensive statistics, week 16
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:48:41 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX


		       yardage		    rank
team		total	rush	pass	rush	pass
----------------------------------------------------
Dallas  	3841	1216	2625	1	7
San Diego	3869	1239	2630	2	8
New Orleans	3903	1550	2353	10	2
Houston 	3974	1487	2487	7	4
Kansas City	4034	1705	2329	16	1
Washington	4056	1549	2507	9	5
Philadelphia	4177	1414	2763	5	11
LA Raiders	4221	1584	2637	12	9
Seattle 	4242	1821	2421	21	3
Miami   	4304	1423	2881	6	15
Minnesota	4304	1704	2600	15	6
Buffalo 	4319	1288	3031	4	23
Pittsburgh	4365	1721	2644	17	10
Cleveland	4449	1502	2947	8	19
San Francisco	4560	1279	3281	3	28
Chicago 	4598	1769	2829	19	14
NY Jets 	4600	1824	2776	22	12
Green Bay	4651	1656	2995	14	22
Detroit 	4697	1743	2954	18	20
New England	4718	1837	2881	23	16
NY Giants	4747	1814	2933	20	18
Indianapolis	4780	1977	2803	26	13
Tampa Bay	4832	1555	3277	11	26
Denver  	4863	1903	2960	24	21
Phoenix 	4886	1605	3281	13	27
Cincinnati	5035	1915	3120	25	24
LA Rams 	5079	2149	2930	28	17
Atlanta 	5273	2126	3147	27	25

----
Daniel Welch
From: carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes and Bills observations (not the Chargers)
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:10:19 GMT
Organization: UB

curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) writes:

>  I'm kind-a hoping that they suprise some people.  It's fun to hear 
>  Berman go off about them.  By the way, what is Berman's connection to
>  the Lightning Bolts?  Were they his favorite as a child or what?

Berman also gets very enthusiastic about the Bills, or at least he used
to (Buffalo fans, remember "our Bills"?). I suspect he may have been an
AFL fan, since the Chargers and Bills are old AFL teams.


Mike
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From: frank@wanda.princeton.edu (Frank Bilotti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rules question: When is the ball dead, if...
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:50:21 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
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In article <1992Dec21.133713.9482@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> papa_sm00sh,
jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu writes:
>observation... in the many remakes of the immaculate reception... they
>said that if the ball had hit the running back it was intended for
>that franco harris pick up of the ball (before it hit the ground? we
>will never know) was illegal...
>
>why?
>
>my obs. is that it is to be ruled a dead ball if it hit the running
>back... my question is why...

	I'm pretty sure the rule was different in those days... In that case,
Franco was not allowed to catch a ball that had deflected off his own
man, the rule is now different and same-team-tips are allowed.

	BTW, all of the commentary I've heard on that play has led me to believe
that it should have been incomplete and is another example of the refs
blowing a big one.  By far the worst part of the whole deal (as John
Madden is so quick to point out) was the phone call business.  JM said
something like "how come they could make the call after getting a phone
call and not before"

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Roger Craig on George Seifert
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:02:52 GMT
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Gary Beason (bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:

> Was the 49er team George inherited very old or in decline, as was the
> case in GB and NY?

Well, it *was* creaking at the seams. Remember, Seifert went through
his first and second seasons (most of the second one, anyway) on the
momentum from the Walsh "era". But the NFC championship loss was a big
one, and the organization was thoroughly shaken up after that.

I think that of the last Walsh team, only 16 or 17 are still in Niner
uniform, and maybe 6 or 7 are starting. The secondary, including Lott,
is gone. Craig is gone. A good number of the defensive line and
linebackers are gone (Haley comes to mind). Michael Carter has been on
IR for most of the year.

Now, the secondary is raw as heck (total experience for the 4
starters: probably 8 years). The offensive line is the one good story,
with Harris Barton (big worry - his recent injury) and Steve Wallace.
The def. line has been OK - Tim Harris has been a pleasant surprise.
Holt, Romanowski and Walter are doing an OK job.  But it hasn't been easy.


As for plan B:

Tom Lavelle (lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov) writes:

> Can you name one player that was bought from another team?

Did I misunderstand you? The Niners have always been active in
acquiring plan B players, who have served well in the past - Matt
Millen and Jamie Williams come to mind. Garin Veris (recent
acquisition) has been a mixed bag.  And the Niners are always on the
lookout for a good trade, though they've done very few outstanding
ones: Steve Young and Tim Harris are the big ones that come to mind.
--
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: San Diego in playoffs?????
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:25:51 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.76.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>True? 
>
>Could this be the only team to start 0-4 and make it?  Anyone go 0-3 and 
>make the playoffs?  Just wonderin'
>
>A

Yes my Dear ALN, the first team EVER to do it! SNIFF! SNIFF!,
I have a cold! 
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Deion Sanders
Keywords: Nicknames
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:51:13 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <29DEC199209573074@vill.edu> 187701458@vill.edu writes:

|	Can anybody tell me what Deion Sanders nicknames are? I know
|of two, Primetime & Neon Deion. Or have I pretty much covered it? 

How about "hot dog" or "showboat"? 
 
-- 
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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Tho Thowwy, Wedthkinth!!
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:40:17 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Originator: zmed0b@zircon


I was so utterly pleased to see Philadelphia beat the Redskins and put their
playoff hopes in question.  Given that they are still a playoff favorite, it
pleases me to no end to see them suffer. I extol the virtues of a suffering
Mark Rypien.

As Elmer Fudd would say, "Tho Thowwy, ya Wascawwy Wedthkinth!!"

*********Mike
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From: asgari@ssc00.net.com (Asgari Roger)
Subject: Re: No Cowboys 'D' in Pro Bowl
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:24:42 GMT

In article <Bztz8t.4ry@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>Does anyone feel it was right that no Dallas Cowboy players made it to the Pro
>Bowl this year? They have the #1 defense in the league. Granted their defense
>is much more a 'team' defense rather than a couple of players excelling at a
>certain position, I feel that they at least deserved one person from their
>squad on the Pro Bowl roster to represent the team. I know that the Pro Bowl
>rosters are voted on.... I just makes me mad that the Cowboys have worked so
>hard on defense this year and got the #1 ranking and no one from the team made
>it to the Pro Bowl.
>
>Eric
>
>-- 
>
>		Internet: eric@abode.ttank.com
>		    uucp: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!wvus!abode!eric
>

 		I completely agree with you.  I felt that they should of 
	by all accounts had atleast one chap  on  D going to the PB. But
	deep down I knew this in all likelyhood  would occur.

		GO COWBOYS!!!
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.171518.6421@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>el> Our point is simply: best of NFC > best of AFC. 
>  "Best" being defined as "playoff team", correct? 
In a sense, yes. In absolute term, it's NFC champs > AFC champs.

>Now, when you say ">", do
>  you mean "NFC playoff teams vs. all of AFC is better than AFC playoff teams
>  vs. all of NFC", or "NFC best vs. AFC best is better than AFC best vs. NFC
>  best"?
Wrongo. It means NFC champs are better than AFC champs, and loosely,
the NFC playoff field is better than the AFC playoff field.

The former is supported by the past 8-11 Superbowls. The latter is an
opinion.

>el> There is no argument about it.  The only way to dodge the argument is:
>  "Dodging" is a little harsh, wouldn't you say?
I wouldn't. Because you keep dodging the comparison of the best teams in
the two conferences, much to the tone of 

   "Yes, the NFC won a lot of SB, but ....." 

Why the ifs and buts?

>el> 1) compare the AFC vs NFC in the regular season
>    2) bring back the 70s SB to make the comparison more even
>    3) claim that the 49ers/Redskins/Giants/Bears have NOTHING to do with 
>       the NFC; they are just in that conference by accident
>
>  1) is perfectly valid. "AFC" and "NFC" mean members of the two conferences,
>  *all* members, not just playoff teams. 
Oh, so when I say we are just interested in comparing the best teams, you 
won't allow us? 

Who are you that you have to limit our pools of comparison?

>  2) is also valid, if your claim "best of NFC > best of AFC" doesn't include
>  a time range. If your time range is "since NFC has won consecutive SBs", the
>  argument becomes a wee bit circular.
So it's circular, but this dominance is also a fact, wouldn't you admit it?

>  3) is an argument I don't make. However, in the next few years, if the NFL
>  expands to 30 teams, (6 5-team divisions) we could see some realignment, in
>  which case, the argument goes back to square one.
Well, till then, the best of NFC is still better than the best of AFC. Live
with it. Could see some realignment != the AFC will get out of the slump.

>  In any case, here's some data for Ed to ponder. It does indeed prove his
>  point, if "NFC playoff teams vs. all of AFC > AFC playoff teams vs. all of
>  NFC" is his argument. 
Well, since your premise is false, all the data are irrelevant.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: George Seifert -- coaching record
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:33:00 GMT

eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>>  The skinny on Seifert's coaching record, counting this year:
>>  Postseason     :  4- 1-0 (0.800)
>
>By the way, what playoff game did he lose?

Jan 20, 1991, 13-15 at home to the Giants.  Also known as Joe
Montana's last game.  Lawrence Taylor forced a Roger Craig
fumble in the dying minutes, to set up a short drive for the
winning field goal.  The Giants, who couldn't score a touchdown
on the Niners in two games that season, go on to win SBXXV.


--Gidi


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Immaculate Reception---NOT !!!
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:45:10 GMT

istre@ricevm1.rice.edu writes:
>The officals [...] should have just came out and said that they just
>wanted to get out of Three Rivers Stadium alive. To rule against the Steel-
>ers in that situation would have been the same as putting a gun to your head
>and pulling the trigger.

People in the U.S. always make fun of us (soccer fans) because of
the occasional riots in European and South American soccer games.
And yet you seem to imply that U.S. football fans would be just
as violent, if not more so, if only given an excuse.

So, is that really true?  Can you give any proof, precedent or
example, where football officials were harmed by an angry crowd
following a decision against the home team?  

Puzzled in Palo Alto,

--Gidi

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