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From: c60b-3kx@web-3h.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Hitler was a vegetarian?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 08:31:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3h.berkeley.edu

Here is how the "Hitler" argument was posited to me:

"You talk about how much you admire Gandhi and he was a vegetarian.
 Hitler was also a vegetarian.  Does that mean you admire him?"

It IS well documented that Hitler was a vegetarian, at least a 
pico-ovo-lacto-cheat-a-lot vegetarian.
I read all about it in a book called "A Vegatable Passion" (can't remember
the author).

The whole argument that Hitler's vegetarianism suggests anything
"undesirable" about vegetarianism is absurd because:

1. He was a vegetarian because he had a sensitive stomach and he felt it was
more healthy.

2. Unlike Gandhi, his vegetarianism was not an integral part of his
philosophy, inseparable from the man's teaching.  Hitler did not press
vegetarianism on the people.

3. This argument seems just as valid:

"You talk about how much you admire Gandhi and he was heterosexual.
 Hitler was also a heterosexual.  Does that mean you admire him?"

4. What I've begun to notice in the question of vegeatarianism is many of the
objections to vegetarianism seem to "invert" reality. (especially healthwise)
As far as I can tell, factory farms are comcentration camps.
Actually, they're even worse.  Not only are the animals treated like Hitler
treated the jews, but their meat is poisoning people everyday!

Eat a carrot, join the resistance!
Vive la France!

--
 Leor Jacobi                ,__o  |"Darkness is the shore of light.
 leor@ocf.berkeley.edu    _-\_<,  | The truth is framed with lies...
			 (*)/'(*) | When you're thin and damp and shoddy,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| just remember you're in a body." - R.H.

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Subject: Re: Children begining vegetarians 
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:18:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.015110.9179@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mjs4709@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.J. Solomon) writes:
>My boyfriend is a vegetarian and we got into the topic of is it health
>for children to be vegetarians?
>
>Do children need to have meat protein for their growing bodies or could
>other things be sustituted without indangering their growth.
>...

In a word, no:  meat is not required.  The protein available from meat is 
also available from vegetarian food.  There is no unique "meat protein" 
that is required for human health.

The key is to eat a varried vegetarian diet.  I recommend getting
a copy of "The New Laurel's Kitchen" by Laurel Robertson (?) and
checking out the nutritional info.  (...and recipies).

Disclaimer:  I am not a health professional.  For more information,
consult a dietician/nutritionist.  (Also remember that most
doctors and nurses are not required to take nutrition courses
as part of their training, so their info may be incomplete or
outdated.)


-- 
     Jim Lacey  --  my own opinions    
     email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
     D'ou venons-nous? Que sommes-nous? Ou allons-nous?
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: INSTANT RECIPE IS BLD
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:39:46 GMT

Hi, I make a nice big pot of soup every Sunday, when I like to have people
over. They love entering a house filled with the aroma of home cooked soups!
I make tons, that way, even if we have guests or give out bottles of soup, we
have a couple of quarts left over to put in the fridge or freeze. Voila,
instant soup!!!
THIs way, you get a great tasting soup and all the convenience of instant!

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: Travelling vegan - USA
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:59:50 GMT

In article <1jv7fd$r4l@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-3kx@web-3h.berkeley.edu () writes:
>I just returned from a cross-country trip and I thought I'd share some notes
>on traveling vegetarian and other things.
>
>My friend and I brought about $30 worth of bulk dried foods to snack on in
>the car.  We ate it all!  I suggest doing this as it ensures that you won't
>end up buying overpriced junk food.
>
When I drove from Boston to California (criss-crossing up and down the
country, ie. hitting South Carolina and north Indiana) I only ate
dinners at restaurants.  Each morning I'd ask the motel help where the
nearest supermarket was, fill up my two small coolers with ice, and
buy cut and cleaned vegetables, a trip through the salad bar if they
had one, or worst case: canned veggies.  I used the second cooler for
flavored seltzers.  Not a bad 10 days (except for the
windstorm/hailstorm/tornadoes in St. Louis).

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
From: sbhattac@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Meat replacements
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:34:30 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <altar.727657923@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
>Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson) writes:

>>Canada is not terribly advanced in meat replacement products?

>Hmm, do we have here an example of that characteristic 
>Canadian attitude of self-deprecation?    ;-(

>Frankly, I think one is better off simply forgetting about
>those old meat dishes and start eating new vegetarian
>dishes, thereby allowing one's tastes to develop from there
>--  which they assuredly will.

This is going to be entirely useless to the vast majority of the world's
population, certainly to someone in Canada, but it is at least
tangentially interesting as an item of trivia.

I'm from Bengal, in India. We cook a variety of plant products which are
claimed to have a meaty texture, and possibly a taste evocative of meat.
This may be all morally inferior and all, but what the hell. Green
jackfruit is one such product. You can buy it in cans in the Asian stores.
The canned stuff is not nearly as good as the fresh stuff, but as an
occasional reminder of food back home it ain't bad. Similarly, banana
flowers, and the heart of the trunk of the banana plant are remarkably like
meat in texture.

I do suppose that someone in Canada is not likely to have a dozen banana
plants in the yard. Probably not a fifty foot jackfruit tree either.

- Shankar
From: bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Calorie restriction for lifespan elongation [was ...fasting...]
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
	<1993Jan14.151342.15901@pixel.kodak.com>
	<1993Jan14.184302.17708@walter.bellcore.com> <229@sftwks.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:40:14 GMT

In article <229@sftwks.UUCP> bradbury@sftwks.UUCP (Robert Bradbury) writes:

   Unfortunately if you put things off for too long
   you may end up dead because you will be beyond the capabilities
   of the medical technology available when you need it.

I think all of us will "end up dead" sooner or later and I agree that
this is very unfortunate.
--
Bernie Simon 		What we know comes to so little
(bsimon@stsci.edu)	And what we presume is so much  -- Neruda
From: dbader@eng.umd.edu (David Bader)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: RECIPE: Vegetarian Kishka
Date: 23 Jan 1993 14:44:28 GMT
Organization: Professional Student, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mountaindew.eng.umd.edu

Thanks to Judy Karpen, William Moss, and Tova Stabin for their help
with this...  William clued me in to the side of the Maneschewitz Tam
Tams box with a Parve "Mock" Kishka recipe, and Tova gave me a
recipe..  Here's what I mixed together last night:

Vegetarian Kishka  
-----------------
1 box Tam Tams
2 medium onion
4 medium carrots
3 medium stalks of celery
2 oz. margerine
soy sauce
crushed garlic
paprika
pepper

"Grind" (I don't know what that means, so I "diced" and "mashed" and
"crushed" and "pulverized" and...) the onions, carrots, celery, and
tam-tams.  Mix in the margerine, garlic, and any spices you like. 
Roll ingredients into aluminum foil tube. Makes about two 10" rolls.
Bake at 425 degrees for about 40 minutes. 
Slice and serve.  

I ate one tube last night, and froze the other.  It was *very* tasty..
and also felt a bit heavy.  (reminded me of being a "meatloaf" for
vegetarians!!!) 

enjoy, 
and peace,
  david

David A. Bader          
48 Avonshire Court      
Silver Spring, MD 20904 
(301) 680-3616          

Internet: dbader@eng.umd.edu


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: _Sexual Politics of Meat_/gender of meat animals
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:27:36 GMT

kalin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (andrew.j.kalinowitsch) writes:


>Aren't most of the animals raised for consumption by the meat
>industry female (chickens vs. roosters, cows vs. bulls/steers,
>etc.)?  This is an assumption on my part; i have no data to back 
>it up.  Does anybody know if this is true, and if so, why?  Is
>any mention of this made in _The Sexual Politics of Meat_?


Steve Russell has already answered your first question.  With respect
to your second, again the answer is yes.  Does this mean that
you will buy a copy of the book?  ;-)

					Cheers,
						ted
 

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: claudiak@i88.isc.com (Claudia Kale (STG))
Subject: Re: Vegetarian guidance network
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:15:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.224216.8817@sequent.com> amy@sequent.com (Amy Paschal) writes:
>In article <1993Jan16.152147.29859@abo.fi> abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:
>> [stuff deleteted]
>>
>>If  we find a service, e.g., plumber in our area who is vegetarian, we
>>will prefer to  have him to do our  work rather  calling someone else.
>
>Heh? What does the food a person eats have to do with how good a plumber
>he or she is? Sounds to me like the typical "we'll hire one of our own
>kind" thinking, e.g. same race, same religion, etc.
>
>This doesn't seem to me like a "gentler" way of viewing the world and 
>ones place in it. Many people on this news group talk about how
>much better the world would be if everyone ate a vegetarian diet. While
>I think much could be accomplished by this I think more could be 
>accomplished if we could live in a world where people are truly
>tolerent of different ways of living. By tolerent I don't mean 
>putting on a forced smile and saying "yeah, I don't mind X". I mean
>tolerent to the level that we all truly rejoice in the differences
>that make us unique. Off soapbox.
>
>--Amy


Oh well said Amy! Hope there's room on that soapbox for two...

Claudia (.sigless)
From: gedge@cm.cf.ac.uk (Geraint A Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Soya Milk (WAS Re: Are there traditional Vegan ...)
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:17:42 GMT
Organization: I'm at, not speaking for: Uni of Wales, College of Cardiff

molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:
} altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
} #supplementing
} # soy-milks with B12
} 
} Now there's an idea I'd like to see implemented.  B12 and perhaps calcium.

This seems quite common here.  Organic, calcium-enriched soya milk
is widely available in Cardiff (popn 300k), Granose being one
manufacturer.

Also, my favourite soya milk, Plamil, is B-12 enriched and comes
from a company run by a vegan.

Gedge
--
Geraint A Edwards, computing PhD student, gedge@cm.cf.ac.uk     recycle...
Myfyriwr ymchwil yng nghyfrifiadureg --- Prifysgol Cymru Coleg Caerdydd
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz)
Subject: INSTANT RECIPE:  Lentil/Rice/Beans Combo
Summary: Instant vegan recipe 
Keywords: recipe, rice, beans, lentils, instant, vegan 
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:34:33 GMT

2 cups (0.5 liter) boiling water
2 cups (0.5 liter) instant rice
Small can (10 oz/300 gm) Lentil Soup (I used Progresso)
Average can (15 oz/425 gm) prepared Beans (I used black-eyed peas) 

Boil water, add rice, stir, and turn off heat.  Add lentil soup,
stir until mixed.  Add beans, including liquid, stir.

This tasted good, but was a bit bland for my tastes; I added dry chopped
onions, a bit of black pepper, and a lot of paprika.

Yours for a varied diet,

 - Aliza  

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:42:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.184751.15428@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>In article <1jihnsINNl6j@pandora.sdsu.edu> guest@voyager3.sdsu.edu (Guest User) writes:
>>Is beef a 'Manly' diet ? 

There is an article in prevention magazine that says men tend to crave
their fat in meat, women in sweets. It is in this month's
prevention...

rfq
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Rosemary Waigh <rwaigh@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Veganism and impotence
Reply-To: rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:03:43 GMT

In article <agj3yr+@rpi.edu> weavej@aix.rpi.edu (Jonathan Mark Weaver) writes:
>
>I heard that women who become vegan will eventually become impotent.
>While I believe this to be totally absurd, I don't have the sources to
>back me up on this. Can anyone shine some light on this subject (like
>maybe vegan women with children on the net)?
>
>Thanx in advance.
>
>
As a previous poster mentioned, women can't be impotent.

If you meant to say frigid, I can assure you this is not the case :-) in fact
some posters on alt.sex recommend a vegan diet (and also avoiding spices,
onions, and garlic) to make oral sex more enjoyable.

If you meant to say infertile, well all women reach menopause eventually,
and vegan women do reach menopause slightly earlier (mid-forties rather than
50) (see _Diet_for_a_new_America_ for several references).  So it is true that
vegan women will *eventually* become infertile, however few of us are
interested in having kids in our late forties, I expect!

Cheers,

Ro
 

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (C. K. Powell)
Subject: Re: CASHEW CHILI REQUEST
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:38:31 GMT

ab3t+@andrew.cmu.edu  writes:
> HELP!     
> Someone posted a recipe for Cashew Chili in the middle of January. 
> Would you please post it again or send it directly to me.  I'm really
> anxious to try it!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Anne Marie Bosnyak

Here it is; I think Christine Code posted it first, but I've
stripped the headers....

CASHEW CHILI
1 green pepper, chopped
1 medium onion, chopped
2 stalks celery, chopped (optional)
2 cups kidney beans, cooked
2 cups corn, cooked
2 cups tomatoes, canned
2-3 tsp chili powder
3 drops tabasco sauce
1 tsp cumin
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 tsp basil
1 tsp oregano
1 bay leaf
1/2 tsp pepper
1 cup raisins
1 cup cashews


1. In a large saucepan, wok, or dutch oven, melt about 3 Tbsp
margarine.
Saute onion, green pepper, and celery until tender crisp,
approximately 10
minutes.

2. Add everything but the raisins and cashews.  Bring to a boil.

3. Reduce heat and simmer for 30 minutes to blend the flavours.
(NOTE: you
can simmer this dish as long as you like, just don't add the
raisins and
cashews until 30 minutes before serving time.)

4. Stir in the raisins and cashews.  Simmer until raisins are
plump and
cashews are tender, about 30 minutes.
From: hahn@het.brown.edu (Stephen Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Definitions
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:17:19 GMT
Organization: (No comment.)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hahn@het.brown.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: pion.het.brown.edu

   I read the FAQ sheet yesterday, and was wondering about the reference
   to mohair as a product from goats.  (Not in the sense of accuracy, but:)  How
   does wearing animal hair fit into the vegetarian scheme?  (Or is mohair 
   production akin to fur production?)

   (By the way, the FAQ file that was posted seems a little mangled; is there
   a good copy somewhere?)

   Thanks,
   Stephen 

--------------------------- 
   Stephen Hahn	             |  This space  |
   Department of Physics     |   for rent   |
   Brown University          [Stephen_Hahn@Brown.edu]
   Providence, RI            (02912-1843)
---------------------------
From: eric@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Eric Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Song by CONSOLIDATED (was Re: "MANLY" food ***)
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:31:16 GMT
Organization: Center for Clinical Computing, Boston, MA.

In <BARMAN.93Jan27000144@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> barman@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Dilip Barman) writes:

>Yes, I think that song is by Consolidated.  Does anybody know much about
>this group?  I sampled one (or two?) of their CDs.  It does seem like they
>are into vegetarianism/animal rights, and the song by them I heard
>on the radio refers to "The Sexual Politics of Meat".  But from my quick
>listen to the CD, I couldn't tell if they were also into things like
>"white power" or if they were combatting such fascist ideas.

The band members are proponents of vegetarianism and universal equality (among
other things).  There are some songs on their first album ("The Myth of Rock")
which at first sound as if they are propaganda/white-supremicist, but are
actually very critical of these racist ideologies.  One song, for instance,
includes the "theme song" for the KKK (probably taken from song old recording),
but in context it is used to make the point that the "white American male"
is a cornerstone of societal abuse towards women and animals.

A while ago I posted my "on how I became a vegetarian" note, saying that
the band Consolidated was an influential factor for me.  I will make an effort
to post a brief band discography for anyone who is interested.  I will
also try to transribe a song or two, for I believe that many who would be
interested in what they have to say would not actually enjoy the medium
they use to say it (although I do! :-)

Eric
--
    * Eric J. Hansen                  |    Center for Clinical Computing   *
    *   eric@binoc.bih.harvard.edu    |   350 Longwood Avenue, Boston, MA  *
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: References for Environment
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:52:20 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I would highly recommend our new Vice-President's book, 
"Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit", by
(now) Vice-President Albert Gore, Jr. It just came out in
paperback, and should be in most bookstores. Vice-President
Gore is not a vegetarian, but does seem troubled by the 
increased use of antibiotics and hormones in livestock, 
as well as the ecological effects of livestock on the land, 
such as in the Amazon Rain Forest. 

-Mary Howard


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Hitler Was NOT a Vegetarian:)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:36:50 GMT

Hitler was not a vegetarian.  He merely eschewed beef.  Sausage was one
of his favorite foods, along with chocalate, and a lot of other crap.

I had a short interest in his life and read several biographys.

So why does everyone claim he was a veg?

Well, you ever meet the people who think fish and poultry are vegtables?
Ie "Oh Im a veg but I eat fish etc"

Well most of Hitlers earlier biographers were the beef promoting british.
To most beef was "MEAT" the other "stuff/flesh" wasnt.  Hitler eschewed
beef ( something to do with the eastern cultism he was into ) so his
British biogrphers called him a vegetarian and later biographers turning
to these yutzes works for referrence just carried this mistake over.

Steve R
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:10:16 GMT

In article <yyn3a0l@rpi.edu> cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>In article <35761@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> sbhattac@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya) writes:
>
>[Shankar's hotdog legalese deleted]
>
>Look, Shankar, I'm not trying to be rude, but this is getting out of
>hand.  I cannot think of a *particular* brandname, but I have *definitely*
>seen "96%" fat free products being sold that had well over 60% of their calories
>coming from fat.  In your research, "go over" to the hotdog/sausage/meat
>section, and look at every single label!  You'll see...

I've done exactly that and have *not* found a 96% --> 60% product in
the hotdog section.  I think the onus is on the claimants to produce
the brandname, or withdraw the claim.

--
Michelle, who's finally glad to see fat-free tofu-dogs (Smart Dogs and
Leaner Wieners).
artemis@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: WANT TO GAIN WEIGHT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:42:54 GMT

Well, as for the weight, perhaps you are just fit! Also, I have tall brothers
who were quite skinny and lanky until their late 20's, when they got their
adult huskiness and dense bone structure. Maybe you too are a late bloomer!
As for portable food, I hate things that require fussy little containers, so
I use pitas (which are hollow, and can be stuffed) wonderful and neat. You
can stuff them with everything in sight, but I love the old traditional
falafel patties (chickpea based) with lettuce, tomato, and tahini sauce.
There is also a book called "The Vegetarian Lunchbasket".
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: Milk and calcium (here we go again)
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@clpd.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:08:24 GMT

In article <C1Bnq9.9pI@world.std.com> levin@world.std.com (Levin F Magruder) writes:

[...]

>Finally, a question.  It's my impression that currently, people with
>greater incomes tend to eat less animal protein than poorer people.

	I don't have the data at hand to verify or debunk this, but it's
	of some interest to note that meat became a sign of status in the
	western world: only the wealthy could afford it.  For the poor, it
	was a treat for which they wished.  Because of its nutrient density,
	meat was considered "the" food.  As western society became more
	and more prosperous, the population could afford more and more meat,
	which led us to the state of overconsumption in which we now exist.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)