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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:22:51 EDT
Reply-To:     Bill Salter <IRECO19@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
From:         Bill Salter <IRECO19@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Word 5.0 -> Mac PM 4.01

Dear Netters...
HELP! I'll try to be brief. I'm attempting to place a MS Word 5.0 file into a
PM 4.01 file. The best result I've had is "The application PageMaker 4.01 has
unexpectedly quit (28)". The worst result was after shutting off multifinder--
the system bombed.

Here are some specifics: I'm running System 6.0.5 on a Mac ci with 8 meg of RAM
The Word document is 46,080 bytes and the PM document is 204,928 bytes. I have
4,338k of unused memory (Finder has 256k, System has 599k and Cache has 96k). I
 increased the memory allocation of PM to 3000k from the recommended 1500k
after the first time PM quit but no help.

I deduced from a previous reply to my inquiry about document size that
I may have too little memory allocated for my System and/or Finder. If so, how
do I allocate more?

Thanks to all those who replied to my previous posting-- especially Jeff &
Monte.


In case you're wondering, I'm working on a the listing of classes for Spring
term. I'll have to really stuff it to hold the page count to 160 (which is
dictated by bindery considerations). The text doesn't lend itself to being
divided too many times however I do divide it into approximately five documents
with the actual class listings in two of the documents.

Hope ya'll have some clues...
     Thanks, Bill Salter <ireco19@univscm.csd.scarolina.edu>
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:51:44 U
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From:         Richard Howland-Bolton
              <richard_howland-bolton@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Spoolers

 Spoolers
There was some discussion of spoolers for PM a while back. I'm afraid that I
paid them scant attention. (Oh! Shame!) We are a lazy load over here and like
the break!
 :-)
However, our news types want to spool so would someone PLIZZ help with info
Thanks

RH-B
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:14:00 EST
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From:         TAWILSON@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Internal Error: HELP!

Well, did I goof up.  I had what I consider to be a too large document,
about 1.5 megs, on my PC, and with every good intention of backing it up
on a disk, I created a second document for half the pages.  The problem
came when I went to open the new second file, PageMaker gave me the
messege "Internal Error.  Cannot Open File.  Tried to lock 0 length
block.  7009:20540"

Instead of going straight to the group, I checked the FAQs and sure enough
found a possible answer -- holding down shift-option(ctrl?) and selecting
hyphenation from the type menu.  But how can one do this if the file will
not open?  I also tried opening a copy instead of original, but no luck.
The other FAQ solution was to place the file into a new file to salvage the
type, but how can one place a PM file into another PM file?

Any other idears out there?

On the subject of backing up, how can one back up a file that's bigger than
1.4 megs (without buying a tape backup system or using the DOS backup
command)?  I usually just copy the file to a disk, which is pretty fast and\
easy.

Todd Wilson
Ohio Wesleyan University
"No pain, no pain"
From: JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU (Jeff Bone)
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Subject: File Size Limit
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:24:47 GMT
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Bill Salter writes...

>  Does anybody know the upper SAFE size limits of a Pagemaker document? I
>  believe there is a limit because I've had a LARGE file totally corrupted
>  previously.  I certainly don't want to repeat that disaster so I will be
>  watching the size of a project I'm working on now.  (This could be an FAQ
>  if anybody is updating the list.)

According to the Aldus PageMaker 4.0 file specifications, there is, but I
wouldn't recommend even attempting to acheive it.  The theoretical limit is
67,108,352 bytes (i.e. - 65535 (Max_rec_variable) x 1024 (DOS_Cluster_Size +
512 (PageMaker file header)).  You could actually get more in it if you are
using PM 4.0's ability to LZW compress embedded TIFF files (i.e. - CTRL-ALT-
SHFT-P/D/L/M/U).

Just for grins I tried to make a file this large to test it before I wrote
this note and got some interesting results.  The PC version crashed
spectacularly with only 8 pages each with a 4 meg un-compressed TIFF file
on it. Even on a Compaq 486-50, 16 Meg RAM, Hercules 34010 card it was taking
a minute and a half just to change pages and re-paint the screen.  The Mac
version faired little better.  It closed down with a Type 1 error after 14
pages.  It was running much better though.  On a Quadra 700 with 20 Meg RAM,
SuperMac Thunder display it was taking only 8 seconds to change pages and re-
paint the screen.  If you want to try this test don't forget to create a very
large swap file (at least 80 Mb) to even give your Windows machine a fighting
chance.

Anyone who's ever tried to drop EPS files or create mega-multi-page documents
will tell you that this size file would be totally impractical to work with.
We've found that the complexity of the document really determines how many
pages you can use, but I think someone else mentioned the benefits of
creating only a few pages in one file (i.e. - if, and often when, a file
becomes corrupt you don't lose the entire publication).  I shutter anytime I
see a PageMaker document (Mac or PC) that is over 5 Megabyte in size, I think
this is a disaster waiting to happen.  The reason is that the current crop of
personal computer graphical operating systems (Windows 3.1 and System 7.0.1)
have lot of trouble keeping up with large files unless the application itself
is handling the file duties (like PhotoShop does).  Most often it is not a
problem with PageMaker but rather the operating system trying to cut corners
to provide more speed but at the cost of less reliability.



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** Jeff Bone                                <jbone@dopig.uab.edu>
** Electronic Imaging Coordinator            AppleLink: jbone
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:17:07 +0100
Reply-To:     Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
From:         Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
Subject:      File Size Limit

On the large files (aka a disaster waiting to happen) front it's
worth noting that size isn't everything!

One of the reasons file get very big is because users (not those
on this list, of course) don't use the Save as... option (or set
Save smaller). This makes the display list grow rapidly and the
more editing that you do the worse it gets.

Classic case - newsletter being produced monthly. No template is
produced, they just delete all last months copy and illustrations
and then Place the new stuff. Then they hack it around a bit,
delete some, add some more, Print and Save. After a year the file
has grown to around 2M (no scans here thank goodness) and we
literally have text vanishing from the page. No joke, I watched
it happen! They had to bring the machine to me as the file was
too large to extract even with Stuffit or CompactPro...

One quick Save as and the file was about 98% recovered. Sadly
they had left it too late to get everything back but we had a
good shot at it. So, volume of data matters - work in publication
sections or chapters at the most - but display list overload will
always get you in the end!

Henry
From: tims@bvc.edu
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Subject: Additions sampler via FTP
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:53:16 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Awhile ago I downloaded the Aldus PageMaker 4.2 Additions sampler from 
America OnLine, and cannot find the file anywhere!

Does anoyone know where I could acquire the sampler package via anonymous 
FTP or to download it somehow???  I could really use them!

Thanks a lot,

TIM
TIMS@BVC.EDU
From: vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan)
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Subject: Re: Laser Printers
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 22:29:21 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Hi, Dave.
        The Compaq Pagemarq 15 & 20 (I don't know how much $$) have the 
following features:

        Pagemarq 15:
                20 ppm
                20MHz AMD 29000 RISC w/128K cache, base 4meg RAM up to 20

        Pagemarq 15:
                15 ppm
                16MHz AMD 29000 RISC, base 4meg RAM up to 18

        Both:
                max 800x400dpi.
                PS level 2, PCL5
                supports Appletalk, Network Interface cards, internal fax
                 modem, serial & parallel port
                optional: internal 60meg HD, 1 & 2meg programmable font
                 modules

These guys look really appealing.  If you can find out how much they 
cost, let me know.

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A.nime    |A  E|  E-mail: vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
K.lub of  |K  C|  Subscribe to 'BAKA no baka' (you won't be sorry)
A.lberta  |A  H|  We're looking for a few good European correspondants
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:18:36 EDT
Reply-To:     Mary Jean Fitzgibbons <MJFITZG@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
From:         Mary Jean Fitzgibbons <MJFITZG@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      re: word 5.0 -> 4.0.1

Other alternatives for importing a MS Word 5.0 file into PMer 4.0.1
is to use the import filter available via anonymous ftp from
sumex-aim.stanford.edu OR to open the Word 5.0 file and save it as
a Word 4.0 file.

Crashing the program is no fun...

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Mary Jean Fitzgibbons          Information Coordinator/Newsletter Editor
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:53:14 EDT
Reply-To:     Bill Salter <IRECO19@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
From:         Bill Salter <IRECO19@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: word 5.0 -> 4.0.1

Silly me... you have to have pm 4.2 to import a word 5.0 file.

Thanks, Bill Salter <ireco19@univscm.csd.edu>
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Subject: weird downloading of font
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:44:33 GMT
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Here's one I've never seen before. Our university's crest is done in
Freehand with some text nicely kerned and then added beside it, and
exported as a TIFF document. Our usual technique is to place the TIFF image
in PageMaker so that the crest and the name of the university lands nicely
on the page.

Sometimes the font (MBembo) doesn't download properly, and I get a Courier
replacement. However, tonight, the font downloaded just fine, but all the
R's were missing. Here's what it's supposed to look like, and then what I
actually got:

Simon Fraser                            Simon F ase
University                                 Unive sity
at Harbour Centre                    at Ha bou Cent e

Anyone have any clue what happened? Have I somehow managed to corrupt the
font file? Help!
___________________________________________

Gladys We * (604) 291-5077 * Writing & Publishing Program * Simon Fraser
University
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:17:24 -0700
Reply-To:     TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: re: File Size Limit

[response to Jeff Bone's message]

Wow! Thanks Jeff for putting such a comprehensive report --
I wanted to give you some public thanks :)

Geof.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:41:03 U
Reply-To:     Richard Howland-Bolton
              <richard_howland-bolton@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
From:         Richard Howland-Bolton
              <richard_howland-bolton@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PM List support document

        Reply to:   RE>PM List support documents,
    > I have been keeping all of the support documents for
    > the Pagemaker list on SCRIBE.UWYO.EDU and open for
    > anonymous FTP. Before, I stored the files as a .ZIP
    > file. I have just created a .SIT version of the file
    > for you Mac users.
    >
    > I am new to the communication area for the Macs, so
    > please do not send me nasty letters telling me I did
    > it wrong. Could someone test it out? Does anyone have
    > a suggestion for a straight text reader? TeachText
    > can not handle the size of the FAQ.FAQ file.
    >
    > Enjoy!
    >
    > Geof.

I just tested down loading and extracting (went the whole way only with
faq.faq) and it works fine. The problem with TeachText (actually it's a problem
with the OS) can be circumvented by opening your word processor first and
opening the doc from within it. I would suggest that saving the docs as TEXT
with Microsoft Word as creator (MSWD) would be the most general solution.
By the way the default application feature on the Mac can be edited so that
your word processor rather than TeachText can open TEXT files when the creating
application isn't present (you'd have to throw away TT for this to work with TT
docs, of course). There is a little (14k) control panel, called (surprisingly)
Default Application that can change your default applications, and not just for
text. I could upload it to the above site if that's ok.
One other small point. For the benifit of the few (??) people who don't have
StuffIt why not Stuff the file as an sea (self extracting archive)?

R

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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:34:41 CDT
Reply-To:     "Eric J. Ray" <ejray@OKWAY.OKSTATE.EDU>
From:         "Eric J. Ray" <ejray@OKWAY.OKSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Windows screen-capture

You said:

>I would like to get screen dumps from Windows into pagemaker on
>the Mac. Know of any good windows screen-capture programs?

I would use PaintShop (ps*.zip) or Paint Shop Pro (psp*.zip), which are
available at wuarchive.wustl.edu. I believe it is in mirrors2/.../win3/util. It
can do screen dumps, and also handle some conversions.

Be warned, the windows screen is a bitmap, and will not look very good when
printed, especially at higher resolutions.

Eric Ray
ejray@okway.okstate.edu
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From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Windows screen-capture
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:49:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


I would like to get screen dumps from Windows into pagemaker on
the Mac. Know of any good windows screen-capture programs?

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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:31:14 -0700
Reply-To:     TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: File Size Limit

> Does anybody know the upper SAFE size limits of a Pagemaker document? I
 believe
>  there is a limit because I've had a LARGE file totally corrupted previously.
 I
>  certainly don't want to repeat that disaster so I will be watching the size
 of
>  a project I'm working on now. (This could be an FAQ if anybody is updating
 the
>  list.)

A co-worker had a file become corrupted at 408,000 bytes -- as to
whether or not it was because of size, I do not know. It was the
first of nearly 100 or so and it was the largest file she had.

If we come upon a definite answer I will update the FAQ -- (yes I am
still around)

Geof.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:47:47 -0400
Reply-To:     "Roger Myers 'MYERS@AB.WVNET.EDU'" <MYERS@AB.WVNET.EDU>
From:         "Roger Myers 'MYERS@AB.WVNET.EDU'" <MYERS@AB.WVNET.EDU>
Subject:      Description list of subscribers?

I was wondering if I have missed something?  I sent in my description
of who I am and how I use PageMaker and thought someone was compiling a master
listing.  Perhaps I deleted it by accident.

                        Roger

Internet address:  MYERS@AB.WVNET.EDU

Mailing address:  Roger Myers  Route 3 Box 269-D  Philippi, WV  26416
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Subject: Re: Pronunciation punctiatio
From: brecher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher)
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:44:29
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: Richard Howland-Bolton's message of Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:40:26 U

In article <PAGEMAKR%92092906462273@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> Richard Howland-Bolton<richard_howland-bolton@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU> writes:
>> Anybody know where I can find those little marks of
>> pronunciation to use with Palatino? You know, the
>> long vowel and short vowel sound marks. And the
>> upside down e.
>> Fran Holtsberry Fran_holtsberry@macgate.csuchico.edu

...

>I don't, however, know of a PS phonetic font for Palatino.

...

Nonetheless, there is one, and a rather good one at that.  PalPhon is 
available by anonymous ftp from mac.archive.umich.edu in 
/mac/system.extensions/font/type1.

				jonathan brecher
				brecher@husc.harvard.edu
				assistant mac.archivist
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:40:56 U
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From:         Richard Howland-Bolton
              <richard_howland-bolton@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: styles with asterisks

        Reply to:   RE>styles with asterisks
I believe it indicates an unmodified imported style (ie not created in PM but
in your word processor)
------------------------
Would anyone tell me why pagemaker sometimes appends and asterisk to
stylenames.I've seen it add a plus sign many times, but this asterisk is new to
me.
Jim Bruehler
From: TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU (TRUTH -- Geof Peters --)
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Subject: Reflowing text
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:55:16 GMT
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With all this talk about reflowing text, I have just found a list of
tips in the latest PC Sources -- one regarding this very problem. I
will try to write them up and get it posted this weekend.

Geof.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:50:28 -0800
Reply-To:     KRWEISS@UCDAVIS.BITNET
From:         Ken Weiss <KRWEISS@UCDAVIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re:

>I am currently using PM 4.2a (Mac) and came upon a problem that I am sure
>is not new.  I placed a 9-page document from MS Word 5.0 into PM.  After
>doing extensive editing of the text in PM, I decided to change my page
>format, ie, column width, margins, etc.  My problem is how can I make
>my text reflow to reflect the new page format?  The only solution that I
>came up with was to manually adjust the text on each page.  Certainly
>there is a way to be able to use the "autoflow" feature.  Does anyone
>have any solutions.
>Patty Griffith
>GRIFFITH@OUACCVMB.BITNET

Place the I-beam cursor in the text and click. Select all (cmd-A). Cut
(cmd-X). Select the arrow tool. Choose Edit/Story to open a new file in the
story editor. Paste (cmd-V). Close the story editor. When the dialog box
says you haven't saved the story, click the Place button. Re-place the text
(autoflow by holding the command key down when you click the loaded text
cursor).

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Advanced Networked and Scientific Applications      916/752-5554
U.C. Davis
Davis, CA 95616
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