From: tld@moon.base.bellcore.com (Terry Davidson)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: Smoking and non-smokers (was Re: New Jersey restaurants laws ...)
Date: 8 Dec 92 14:15:27 GMT
Reply-To: tld@cosmos.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore

In article <Dec.7.17.01.43.1992.5330@aramis.rutgers.edu>, rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec07.172130.10307@dialogic.com> doug@pizzabox.dialogic.com (Doug Harper) writes:
|> 
|> > In article <Dec.6.10.54.10.1992.11781@cadenza.rutgers.edu> masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes:
|> > >Thank you for not bashing.
|> > >Now go away, Mark.
|> 
|> Didn't see the beginning of this thread.....
|> 
|> > Why should he go away?  He is voicing an opinion that non-smokers
|> > should not be involuntarily subjected to the pollution created by
|> > smokers n public places. 
          ...agreed - see below
|> As a non-smoker, I would love to see non-smoking fanatics take as much
|> interest in eliminating other equally or more dangerous forms of
|> pollution as they do in whining about smoking sections in restaurants,
         ....excellent point
|> and smoking in general, in public places. I understand that it's
|> bothersome to some - hell, I'm allergic to cigarette smoke in enclosed
|> spaces, sometimes. But you know what....... 
|> 
|> > Restaurants that choose to retain smoking sections should be
|> > required to install seperate venilations systems.  Establishments
|> > that can't/won't provide a smoke free environment for non-smokers
|> > should not allow smoking at all.         
         ....again, agreed.
|> you have a free will as a non-smoker. You can stay away from
|> restaurants that allow smoking in a smoking section. Nobody is forcing
|> you to eat at restaurants that allow smoking. You can show everybody
|> how serious you are about the health aspects of smoking sections in
|> restaurants by not patronizing any restaurant that has one. You have a
|> choice....make a choice and live with it. But cease the ridiculous,
|> childish whining, or you'll go to bed without supper....
|> 
|> 
|> > (201) 334-1268 x153   | Your right to smoke ends where my nose begins!
      ...RIGHT.
|> 
|> BULLSHIT!!!
    ^^^^^
    WRONG, Mark...  
|> Mark

I see the old war has heated up again.... 

AS A SMOKER (Yes, I smoke, both cigarettes and pipes), I am fully in
favor of <smoke free restaurants>, period.

(...sounds of multiple THUDS as non-smokers faint and fall to the floor,
   having realized a *SMOKER* (GASP!) is on their side ... 8^) )

I enjoy smoking and the smell of better grades of tobacco - BUT NOT WHILE
EATING.  Yes, I do enjoy an after-dinner smoke, but I take it outside,
where it belongs, and where it *will not* pollute the air breathed by
other people.

Don't hand out the old tired hype about secondary smoke *not* being 
harmful, either.  My wife suffered for *YEARS* from chronic bronchitis,
as did my son - neither of whom smoke.  Having had a few years of
anatomy, physiology, biochem, etc. (was going to be a College Biochem
professor, met a computer - rest is history) I figured my smoking in the
house *just might* have something to do with it.

I stopped smoking in the house and the car; their bronchitis cleared up.
OK, I thought:  Waited three months, smoked in house/car again.  Bingo.
This was *before* all the media uproar over secondary smoke.

Any smoker who refuses to take it outside, or refrain from smoking when
around non-smokers, is nothing more than an egotistical, completely
self-centered SOB, period.

Is it so damned *difficult* to refrain for 10 minutes?  To step outside?

Oh gee, I'm sorry, I didn't realize its [raining/snowing/whatever] outside.
POOR ABUSED DEPRIVED BABY!

PUT ON YOUR DAMNED COAT and/or GET AN UMBRELLA and get your butt (both of
them) outside away from the non-smokers!  

FLAME OFF.

I find a quiet walk outside, regardless of the environment (rain, snow,
fog, -10 degrees, whatever) while smoking a cigarette or my pipe is
*very* relaxing:  Change of environment, consideration of non-smokers,
peace and quiet...).

The idea of completely smoke-free working/eating environments appeals to
me *immensely*.

BTW - in this case, the following disclaimer *does not* apply!  8^)
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