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From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: A4000 arrived (*defective*) :-(
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:07:55 GMT
Summary: Hard Disk makes Gurus when FAST RAM present
Keywords: 4000 Amiga AGA AA

My A4000 arrived today but it is defective :-(

If I have any fast RAM installed, I can use the RAM DISK and the
Floppy drive with no problems at all, but using the Hard Disk
is very risky, I get a LOT of GURUS 8000 0004 at 7C0E1F8 or
therabouts.  The RAM seems OK, I can use it fine for running
pgms and the Like, I cannot use it for IDE drive at all.

If I take out the 4M SIMM, the machine runs fine, with or
without HD access.

Note PS/2 style 4M simms have the 4 parity chips on the OTHER
side, so you cannot lock them down into the SIMM sockets on
the A4000.  Too Bad.  
If ANYONE has any ideas on what I can do to fix this,
let me know.  I think I will return the machine!


-Roger
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.hardware:16277 comp.sys.mac.misc:17276 us.forsale.computers:57
From: stlombo@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Steve J. Lombardi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,us.forsale.computers
Subject: 426 Meg SCSI harddrives for sale!! (NEW)
Keywords: harddrives, SCSI
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:25:14 GMT
Organization: The Voice of Fate

THEY'RE BACK!!

Last month I posted a message that I had some Seagate 420 Meg SCSI
drives for sale at an extraordinary price. They were all sold
but I was just able to get 6 more... 

They are Brand New and still boxed! Here are the specs:

Seagate St1480
Full SCSI/SCSI II compatability
14ms access
64k buffer on the drive!
4400 rpm
3.5 inch half height

These drives currently are selling for 1150 in computer shopper
and like publications. I'm selling these for only 700$ and would like
to sell them soon. They perform wonderfully and run extremely
silentl. email if interested.

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From: et5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Mario Giannella)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: HELP! A1950 Monitor problem - They Won't Repair It!
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:24:05 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Help!  My A1950 monitor has died (I think it is the high voltage flyback
transformer) and I am told that Commodore does NOT sell replacement parts
for this monitor.  They want me to exchange it for another monitor for
$350 !!

Does anyone know of a parts supplier that may have some parts on hand?

Or the actual manufacturing company for the flyback transformer?

I bought it only two years ago, and I am certainly not happy that it failed
so quickly (and of course out of warranty).

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: maniac@lil-ed.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: Concern (Not flames) over IDE for A4000
Reply-To: maniac@lil-ed.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:42:35 GMT

Having been a fan of the IDE interface for low-end computers for
quite some time, I didn't freak out when the A4000 was announced.
I do, however, have a few concerns about the A4000.

1) Does the IDE interface support multiple drives?  The normal
IBM IDE interface supports two drives only, and then only if
the drives are standard enough.  At work we've had problems getting
some IDE drives to go into the proper master/slave relationship,
so I wouldn't be suprised if the A4000 interface limits the user
to one drive.

2) Are there any plans for IDE tape drives?  I know that there is
one such beast in the IBM world, but I don't know if it would work
on the Amiga.

3) Is the A4000 IDE interface really polled?  That's a bad design
choice, IMHO.  even the AdIDE on my A500 seems to be a DMA design
(seems, as I can find no documentation saying one way or the other, 
but CPU contention doesn't slow it down, CHIP bus contention does.

-- 
Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu
From: wirth@igd.fhg.de (Hanno Wirth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Promotion (was Re: Compatibility of MAG Monitors with AGA)
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:19:58 GMT
Organization: IGD FHG Darmstadt, FRG

In article <copes.717307071@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>burkert1@platon.fmi.uni-passau.de (Klaus Burkert) writes:
>
>>In article <1524@igd.fhg.de> wirth@igd.fhg.de (Hanno Wirth) writes:
>>>In article <copes.716800307@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>>>[ ... Quotes deleted ... ]
>>>>
>>>>The 24 Khx modes (Euro72, Super72 etc) will not work on most SVGA or Multisync
>>>>monitors anyway.  The only cheap Multisync I know of capable of syncing under
>>>>30khz is the C= 1960.  SuperHires really needs a 16 inch monitor for text use,
>>>              ^^^^^^^
>>>This is not true! Any NEC Multisync 3D (~not~ the Multisync 3FG!) will do any
>>>vertical scan rate from 15kHz to >50kHz (I don't remember the exact specs. If
>>                                  ^^^^^^
>>That's false! The 3D goes only up to 38kHz.

O.K., I screwed up on that one. But you can't have everything in your head?! :-(
I looked it up and cancelled the posting the next morning, but you seem to have
gotten it. Well...

>
>Yep.  And you can't buy one new here in OZ either.
>

In Germany, there are some stores (at least there were some, even quite a time
after the 3FG came out) which sell(ed) 3D monitors as leftovers ~real~ cheap.
Just look in the ads of some computer magazines. But it may be too late now,
I don't know.

>>Ciao, Klaus.
>
[ ... signature deleted ... ]
>--
>copes@cs.curtin.edu.au

Greetings,
			Hanno


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From: Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: 50 pins SCSI termintor plug
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:41:36 GMT
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Organization: System Information 2.0 Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

Hi Guys,

  Does anybody in here know the schematics of that 50 pin SCSI
terminator connector(the centronics plug) that comes with most
external SCSI boxes? It didn't came with mine and I can't seem
to find one here. It should be to difficult to make if only I
knew how... Thanks in advance.

PS. Pieter, if you spot any answers in the group, please dump
'em in email to me. I don't think there are only around sixty
posts a day in here. :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: Whether to buy a Canon BubbleJet or a HP DeskJet500
Organization: City University, London
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:04:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.160850.10459@fcom.cc.utah.edu> val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:
>But what is the best color printer?  Should I get a Citizen 14? (24-pin
>printer) or the HP Deskjet 500c?

Definately the HP. I can see no reason for getting the 24pin if the
alternative is the 500c.

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From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: LET'S MAKE A DREAM MACHINE
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:58:06 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

ketil@spurv.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde) writes:

> 
> Oh yeah?
> 
> I want a Sparc (or similar) chip, with, say 4-8 megs.  On the
> videocard.
How 'bout a GVP EGS/110 board :).  Y'can get 8M of video memory on it.  It
connects to the 32 bit processor bus on a GVP accel. board.  

Seems like it should be pretty fast...

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From: hennes@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Hennes Passmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Info on A2630 & evol. wanted
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:59:43 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hi everybody,

Does somebody know if there are any incompatability problems with an
Evelotion 2.2 SCSI hostadeptor and a turboBoard.

Is there a way to -relativ easy- disable the deactivation of the HostAdep.
by holding down one of the mouse buttons at boot.
(this also activates 2.0 bootmenu and (?) an A2630 menu..)

                                Tanx for any response,
                                Avatar the VI-hater....

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: zxmgn01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Philipp Knirsch)
Subject: Does the PP&S 040 for the A500 sell now???
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:04:27 GMT

As i already said in the subject, i wonder if PP&S has started selling
their extremly cheap 040 cards for the A500.

Thanx in advance.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:29:10 EDT
From: <EDG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: 14 MHz speedup

To anyone who has/remembers Leslie Aylings diagram for putting a 14 MHz CPU
into an Amiga...I tried...it isn't working...The machine works fine in
'normal' mode, but does nothing (at all) except a power light in 'fast' mode.
That kind of leads me to believe that the 74F74 isn't getting any power, but
it is connected to a nearby chip (I foget which right now) and should be fine.
Any suggestions for things to try?
Eric
From: porter@usc.edu (Brian Porter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Help on A500 kickstart upgrade install
Date: 2 Oct 1992 03:50:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


My father is attempting to install a Kickstart 2.0 upgrade to his A500 with
a rev.5 motherboard.  The instructions vaugly describe something about a jumper.

Should he attempt this himself?  Is it easy?  If so, what exactly must be done?
If this is not easy, should he have a technician do it?  If he should try,
how are the pins numbered (i.e. when holding the chip with the notch pointing
away from you or something...)

Thank you

Please reply to
porter@usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Questions about Super72 Video Mode
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:00:31 GMT

In article <Rudolf_Neuhaus.031z@ouzonix.bo.open.de> Rudolf_Neuhaus@ouzonix.bo.open.de (Rudolf Neuhaus) writes:
>The 800x600 Mode supported by AmigaDOS 2.1 and 3.0 is interlace, isnt it?
>Rudy

   Yes.

>Rudolf Neuhaus, Tel. 0231-103703        also:  rudy@iml.fhg.de
>Kreuzstr. 144 - 4600 Dortmund 1              uphd02@DDOHRZ11.bitnet

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Vortex Email address
From: markyboy@nutmeg.ntu.edu.au (Mark Villazon)
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:48:47 +0900
Distribution: world
Organization: Information Technology, Northern Territory University
Keywords: Vortex

Does anybody know the Email address for Vortex ?
If anybody on this net nows anything about the At-Once plus.. Can they tell
me away in which I can use my accelerator card and my AT-Once card at the
same time. I have already mounted the two one on top of the other. The VXL
works great alone. And the AT-Once runs with the accelerator 7mhz that is
but when the 68030 starts up it just does not run. It seem to load the main
program into memory and execute. It even resets so as to start AT Once but 
the CLI window comes up and it starts up the startup  sequence and runs very
slowly. Is there a program that converts 68000 assem. to 68030 ? I know that
there is one from 68000 to 68010. Or what else do you think I can do ? I
mean the Vortex card is great but still slow !!! 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: urjlew@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Rostyk Lewyckyj)
Subject: Re: A4000 Cpu slot...
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:15:40 GMT

In article <35435@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> 
> I don't know anything about 020 or 030 versions of the A4000.  However, the
> A4000's memory is on the motherboard, it has nothing to do with the CPU
> module.  Clocking can be generated either by the motherboard or the CPU
> card, just like with the A3000.
> 
> -- 
> Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See Yet)
>  "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
>              "You lie so much you believe yourself" -Metallica

I have read in several places, and even here posted by Dave, that 
expansion board memory was slower to get to, than local memory.
This was in reference to expansion memory for the A2000 and A3000.
Now with the A4000 the processor and memory are on separate cards.
Does that not slow down the memory access? and if not then why is
this just as fast as any memory that might have been placed on
the processor module?
Also in discussions here on whether it was possible to speed up
16MHZ A3000s by replacing the cpu and crystal, someone, possibly
Dave, commented that the rest of the board was specked at 16MHZ,
and would not operate reliably at the higher frequency.
This situation is definitely the case in other computers. e.g.
"PC" clones. So I would like to know for what upper frequency
is the current production run of A4000 machine motherboards specked?
Will these machines be capable of using processor modules accessing
the motherboard memory at frequencies higher than 25MHZ?

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: High Density Drives in A500 Plus
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:49:50 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep30.102740@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> cheungc@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Carson Cheung) writes:
> Does anybody know if it is possible to replace the internal DD drive for 
> a high density one in an Amiga A500 Plus.
> 
> The unit I am thinking of getting is the A3015(I think, the internal HD drive
> for A3000 owners.)

In theory, yes.  The dual-speed drive is compatible with the A500
internal drive interface.  There might be some jumper on the the
drive PC that would have to change (which would not be documented)
but I don't remember right off.

> Will I need a separate mountlist entry for the High Density drive or 
> should Kickstart 2 recognize it and therefore boot from a HD drive?

Not sure where software support for this kicks in.  Most likely it's
not in 2.0.

The whole thing is a "at your own risk" proposition.
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A3640 in A3000 PROBLEM
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:03:34 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <zWaLr*mC0@video1.bs.open.de> achim@video1.bs.open.de  (Joachim Gothe) writes:
>Hi world,

>I just got a A3640-Board (the 68040 for A3000T and A4000) for testing.

>There is not enought room in the A3000-Desktop, because the heat sink
>is to big. :-(  But I love Computers without a case. :-)

The main reason they don't have this approved for use in the A3000.  I have an
A3000 at home with a heat-sink-less '040 that's been working fine for awhile,
but I wouldn't recommend this.  The '040 puts out lots of extra heat, and
you need to get rid of it.

>I plug it in my A3000, switch power on, and nothing happens....(Black sreen)

Never-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever plug a processor card into the A3000 or A4000
without setting the proper jumpers.  The A3000 and the A4000 can source clocks,
or they can get them from the processor card.  The A3000 in its normal setup
will of course be sourcing clocks, the '040 board also sources them.  You need
to change the following jumpers (as I recall):

	Jumper	Name		Position

	J100	CLK90 Source	3-4
	J104	CPUCLK Source	2-3

Basically, on a normally configured A3000, move each shunt block to the 
opposite end of the strip post header and you're OK.  On newer A3000s, the
jumpers are lablelled by name, on older ones just by number.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam)
Subject: Re: a4000 an possible deinterlacer.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:29:20 GMT

bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.014034.18215@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct4.045128.368@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black) writes:
>>>I would like to ask if it is now possible to have a deinterlacer.  deinterlace
>>>superhires.  That is for the 800x600 mode on a 50khz monitor.  I ask this
>>>because if i got an a4000 i would like to get a good monitor for the future
>>>and it is hard to find HIGH frequency multiscan monitors.  I usually see
>>>monitors going from 30khz - 60khz or so.  And they don't often drop down to 
>>>below 30khz.  

That's disappointing, I thought flicker was history on the A4000.  So
if 800x600 produces flicker, what resolutions don't produced flicker.
What's the best possible resolution, while still being useful, that
the A4000 can have without flicker? (And 1280x400 isn't useful for
practical applications in my opion)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.hardware:16409 comp.sys.amiga.misc:14660
From: FelineGrace@cup.portal.com (Dana B Bourgeois)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga-IBm file transfer
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 92 01:44:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

A null modem cable is (at its simplest) just three wires:

 pin 2 --\ /--pin 2
          x
 pin 3 --/ \--pin 3

 pin 7(?)-----pin 7(?)

 Im not sure about pin 7 being the right pin.  It should be a ground pin
anyway.  Sorry, about this.

Terminal programs are the most convenient way to go since they can be
configured to recognize software flow control, (Xon/Xoff).  This keeps
the sender from overflowing the receiver and losing data.  They also
handle buffering data to the disk nicer than DOS.  Im sure you could
use DOS to do the job if you slow the sending serial port down enough.
With DOS you'd use the MODE command but on the Amiga side Im not
familiar with a DOS command that sets the serial port data rate.  I
guess it goes full speed.

Bottom line is get two terminal programs and either a null modem cable
(a standard 5 pin serial cable with pins 2 and 3 swapped at one end)
or two standard serial cables and a fancy null modem adaptor to hook
between them.  Ive seen such a beast sell for about $12.  The advantage
is they are clearly marked and then your cables are standardized:
either serial or parallel.  Downside is more cables and higher cost.

HOpe this helps.  

Dana
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: iceman@cs1.bradley.edu (Christopher Ice)
Subject: IBM floppies in my 2000...
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.tech
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:58:41 GMT

Now that I have 2.04, I would like to add a 5 1/4" floppy drive to my system.
I have a couple hacks to hook up HD 3.5", or a DD 5.25"...

I would like to hook up a HD 5 1/4" for general amiga usage...but specifically, it must be able to w/r IBM disks via CrossDoss/MessyDos, etc.

Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Please e-mail at:
iceman@camelot.bradley.edu

Thanks...
Chris Ice
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: vic@cd.com (Vic Serbe)
Subject: Re: SIMM Memory ?
Organization: Central Data Corp., Champaign, IL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:27:55 GMT

In article <9aLqRB2w163w@coyote.datalog.com> cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson) writes:
>Okay...the scenario is this:
> 
>WHen I purchased my HD-8+, I also picked up some 80nSec SIMM's (2 1Meggers). 
> If I happened to put some 100nSec SIMM's in it, would the system cause me 
>any appreciable grief?
> 
>The GVP dox call out 100nSec or faster for the speed rating; thus, I am 

This is all you need to know. The thing a lot of people don't know,
is that it's NOT the RAM chip that governs the speed of the access to
said RAM chip. It's the support circuitry. The 80ns RAM chip is
guaranteed to have data available in no more than 80ns after the
proper row and column address strobes have been issued, but the data
isn't actually read for a few more ns because the circuitry isn't
ready to gate the information through yet. In this case, the data just
patiently waits at the pin(s) until the access is terminated by the
support circuitry.

Bottom line: NO problem.

In real life, an 80ns chip has valid data anywhere from about 30ns-60ns
after the proper cell is selected. I've looked at a bunch of these
babies using the scope due to similar concerns I had about access times
and such. These chips are like processors. The worst ones in the lot
will be guaranteed no slower than 80ns, while most of them could
probably be run 10-20% faster. Therefore it follows that:

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