From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: It has been fun....
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:49:08 GMT

In <1992Nov19.143114.90650@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> cen466p@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (S. Parthasarhathy) writes:
>>>
>>>Naturally. Disgrace ? No it is prudence. Usually when I say I am a Tamil, I
>>>hear "Are you ones who has killed Rajiv Gandhi" or "are you the ones who is
>>>killing innocent people." tell me, why i should I choose to be associated with
  Well . You are an Indian. Are you the one who killed 8000 people
in SriLanka.  Who is better? killing one guy or 8000 guys and raping, looting.
If you have self-respect and know that you hve not personally killed Rajiv
Gandhi why should you worry?   
>>>rajiv gandhis' and innocent peoples' deaths. I have no choice but to say I am
>>>from India and my mother tongue is tamil (that too only if i was asked
>>>specifically).  ? I have no problems with this arragement. I am proud to be 
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>>Indian who speaks Tamil rather than a Tamilian who hail from India.
>>>
        Your birth to a tamizh mother is not an arrangement. IF SOMEBODY
HAS SELF_RESPECT HE WILL NOT put his mother second. 
She had
undertaken thavam and you can feel proud about it. Do not make alternative
arrangements
after all has been decided by nature. 
   Rajiv Gandhi is dead. Yes! Nobody says it is right. But what about
8000 innocent tamizh civilians and even 10-12 people around Rajiv.
How come one life to you is more precious than the other.
That mentality and idol worship have singly put India into
this backwardness. They even wanted a non-indian to be the next prime-minister.
That could a been an arrangement too. But I would be proud even if
a beggar in the street is my primeminister rather than somebody who
was not even born in my country. 

>As far as reasoning out what is happening in SL -- not the Ealem issue, but the
>killing of innocent civilians -- IMO is similar to reasoning out holocaust of
>second World War. I feel gun culture used in SL is wrong. So tell me, what is
>the purpose of me explaining things, if ultimately I am going to blame both
>parties. Also, I feel outsiders and Sri Lankans staying outside can talk till
>their mouth and throat goes dry about SL since they are not the ones who are
>getting killed. You talk to a sinhalese, he (at least most of them) will
>support SL army's action and you talk to a tamilian, he (most of them at least)
>will support the actions of LTTE. Poor muslims are caught in the middle. So the
>reality is innocent people in SL are suffering. You can't deny that. As I
>mentioned in my post, from where I come from both of their actions are wrong so
>I never bother to reason out either of their actions.
                  The gun culture did not start one fine day without nothing.
When govt. starts killing or sponsering killing civilians have to protect
themselves. 


>In my post all I suggested was the problem should be sorted out by SL
>people and thro' negotiations and not by guns. it is the self
>dertermination of SL people which I argued for. if thats what you call
>shying away from the problem, well I can't reason out with you. can I ?
    It is a good suggestion on paper. But the npoliticians think otherwise.
They are using the problem to remain in power. If the problem is solved
then they have to show economic progress. 
>into it and paid the penalty. 1000+ soldiers, RG + 15 others died and
>also it introduced the gun culture into TN.
      Gun culture was in TN and Andra before Tigers and others. Naxalites
had guns before. Moreover, India was not dragged into it. This is
like the crocodile dragging the little tuna. Are you joking? 

The Indian politicians had ulterior motives.  
>you say, you don't feel sorry for long for what has happened to the
>leaders. but you fail to see the repurcusions and ramnifications of
>killing the leaders. that is the difference between the
>assassination/murder of a leader and a common man. when IG died, how may
>sikhs suffered ? when RG died how may people suffered because of lack of
>transport, essential servies etc.

>> .. ( stuff deleted)

>>........these leaders go unchecked for their crimes.

>your country but I do feel that way. Tamil is my mother tongue and I
>feel proud about it too.

>>        As someone pointed out (I think R. Balaji), if we have
>>contirbuted something positive to these we might feel proud. Taking
>>pride in something we inherited when it looks good and shying away when
>>it looks bad is sheer hypocrisy.

      Everything will change , the national boundaries and you may
become a US/Canadian/Srilankan citizen. Even your caste can change.
Sometimes people have been outcast. But, your mother will not
change. That is why you will always be a tamizh whether you prefer
it or not. Do not compromise on mother. 
>an Indian who speaks Tamil rather than a tamilian hailing from India. if you
>have any reservation with that, well it is not my problem.
   No body should have reservation or anything with people who
want to put their mother second.  

    I would feel proud if SOnia Gandhi calls herself Italian who resides
in India than A HINDI WALA who had an arrangement and was born in ITALY>

  WHAT about all the aboriginals in your country. Australia. They should
call themselves X, Y depending on their tribe and now they happen to
live in a white man-ruled AUSTRALIA. 
>Parthasarathy
>Chem Engg

>Paarthaa
>ChemEngg

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