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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Alien 3
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:52:56 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Jul23.200307.710@u.washington.edu>, by mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey):
> 	It was a good observation to see that Dallas was carrying something.
> 	HOWEVER, it is really wishful thinking that the Nostromo, an
> 	M class starfreighter, NOT a military frigate, would have such
> 	a heavy piece of equipment.  Such a weapon would not be practical
> 	or even allowed for a seven-man crew of a space tug.

What is "such a weapon"?  You write as if you had the blueprints in
front aof you.  I'm not aware that nowadays commercial vessels are not
allowed to carry guns aboard.  Quoting it as an "M class freighter"
has no bearing on the situation, since we don't know the meaning of
classes A-L and N-Z.  Calling it a space tug, on the other hand, makes
it sound like a harbor tug, which it isn't.  Compare it to a large,
transoceanic ore-carrier, if you will.
 
> 	The Nostromo did have weapons, though.  The flamethrowers, namely.

No, these were jury-rigged by the engineers.  It is quite sensible to
assume that when Dallas talked about "the weapons", he meant guns,
which they did not use due to the threat from the acid blood.

> 	What you probably DID see was a portable winch that was used to lower
> 	Cain into to the egg nest area.  Somebody had to bring it there!
	^^^^
Kane

Good point.  Note, though, that it doesn't mean they don't have
smaller guns.


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Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: need clockwork orange
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:32:32 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

MB>Can anyone refresh my memory - it's been a while since
MB>I last watched Stanley Kubrick's classic, and I can't
MB>exactly remember what music was used in what scenes.
MB>All I remember is that the William Tell overture finale
MB>was used in the hyper-fast scene. If anyone remembers
MB>the soundtrack details, please reply. Thanks.

     Most music stores today have a CD of the soundtrack to "A Clockwork
     Orange" in their movie-soundtrack section.  Take a look at it: it's
     one of the most COMPLETE soundtrack CDs I know of.  It includes
     every single piece of music used in the movie, including the
     Ninth of ol' Ludwig Van himself (both the orchestral version used
     in during Alex's initial rampages, and the synthesized versions
     used later on in the movie), the "William Tell Overture" (which
     takes place during Alex's menage-a-trois with a couple of girls
     he picks up at a music store), "I Wanna Marry A Lighthouse Keeper,"
     "Singin' In The Rain," and many other pieces as well.  As far as
     movie soundtrack collections go, "A Clockwork Orange" is one of
     the best.
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:37:30 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <92207.163231MRP105@psuvm.psu.edu>, by MRP105@psuvm.psu.edu (Matt Pyson):
> These are all certainly possible, but they don't fit in with the tone of the
> rest of the story as presented. The movie isn't about humanity being destroyed
> because of a programming error.

No, it's about humanity being endangered by machines that are better
(read more intelligent and self-interested) than envisioned.  

> Trusting a Terminator.... I'd say that she'd be very safe trusting a Terminator
> since they are not sophisticated enough to do sneaky, manipulative plotting...
> they're just too single-minded.

The Terminators are only Skynet's henchmen, buth they use techniques
that amount to sneaking and plotting in both films when it brings them
closer to their goal.  Of course, if their mission is to kill on
sight, they try to do so.  Note that the design of Skynet was based on
Terminator hardware.  As for Skynet itself only using "direct
methods", the very existence of the Terminators proves that wrong.
And while we, after having seen Arnie for half of the film, can be
reasonably sure that he does not have any hidden motives, Sarah does
not have that benefit.  Which would not protect her from the following
very good point:

> In article <fubar>, wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>> Do the words, "bug," "glitch," "malfunction," "crash," or even "Trojan horse"
>> mean anything to you?
>  That's closer to what WarGames was about.

No, that was about the results of kids meddling with imperfect
systems, which is something different altogether.  If Skynet's
takeover cannot be called a "malfunction", then I don't know what can,
and this is at the core of the film.  It is only natural to consider
this possibility at the smaller scale of the Terminator, especially if
"malfunction" would mean no more than its reverting to its original
function.


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Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
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Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: lester.appstate.edu!jvs@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jim Cameron and Escape from New York
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:11:00 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
: > New York last night (UK TV, BBC2), he mentioned the credits listed a
: > Jim Cameron under Directors of Photography...
: 
: Yep, that was *the* JC.  He was a special effects dude with Roger Corman
: before he was a big time director...
: 
 - heres a new one - I have seen "Point Break" and I noticed that James
   Cameron or perhaps Jim , is credited with executive producer

 same Cameron?

 thanks,
  jvs
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From: billb@crpmks.uucp (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems))
Subject: Re: james bond trivia
Reply-To: billb@crpmks.UUCP (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems))
Organization: Ciba-Geigy Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:54:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.060822.14849@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.1489.25003@channel1>, eric.walker@channel1.com (eric walker) writes...
>
>}PI> came out cira 1978 (approximately), and before the movie "Never Say
>}PI> Never Again" cira 1985 (approximately) with Sean Connery. He says
>}PI> that NSNA came out in the 1960-1970's, BEFORE "Moonraker". We have
>}PI> twenty dollars riding on thi
>
>} Leonard Maltin's Video Movie Guide lists the release date of
>} "Never Say Never Again" as 1983.
>
>NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN came out the same year as OCTOPUSSY. In fact, the
>original plan was that Warner would release NSNA at about the same time
>as OCTOPUSSY and play up their ad campaign around a "battle of the Bonds"
>and the fact that the "real Bond" is back. But they chickened out, and
>UA released OCTOPUSSY during the summer while Warner held off on NSNA
>until November of that year.
>

Sounds as though the guy who says that it came out in the 60's is confusing 
"Never Say Never Again" (return of Sean) with the original Sean Connery Bond 
movie that was the basis of that film ("Never Say Never"? or something like 
that).  The plots /character names/ etc were virtually identical.

 
-- 
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: New Stallone Movie (CLIFFHANGER, dir by Renny Harlin)
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:26:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.080101.10487@jyu.fi> mol@jyu.fi (Mika O. Latokartano) writes:
>
>  What's the latest news on this film?  Scheduled premiere, general plot,
>  budget, etc?  I'm looking forward to it. 

"Cliffhanger" will probably come out next summer.  Unless it turns out to
be a turkey, or Carolco's severe financial difficulties force otherwise,
in which case it will come out in late winter or early spring.  Another
possibility is that Carolco goes under and lawsuits among their various
creditors keep "Cliffhanger" out of the theaters for some period of time,
which could be long or short.

It's a big budget film, in the neighborhood of $40 million.  The size of
the budget and the presence of Stallone suggests that it is unlikely to
suffer the fate of the ten films Orion has been sitting on for a couple
of years now, even if Carolco does go under.  Someone will dig up the cash
to release it, almost certainly.

I've heard the basic plot, but forgotten the details.  Something about
rescuing people off a mountain crossed with either political or crime
intrigue.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Favorite musicals
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:56:59 GMT

In article <92204.114318JIW2@psuvm.psu.edu> JIW2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>    Another related subject that might be worth bringing up is
>the movie that isn't really a musical, but contains a lot of
>music all the same.  >The Cotton Club< and >Dick Tracy< are
>two recent examples (both of which I liked very much).  This
>seems to be a fairly recent phenomonon; I can't offhand think of
>any older films that have quite the same mixture of music and
>action, without, strictly speaking, being what one generally
>considers a musical.  Anyone have any suggestions for older
>examples of this genre?
>

Cabaret
New York, New York
Fame

All films with lots of musical numbers, but they're all presented as 
musical performances within the context of the film.

Wayne
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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Subject: Re: BatMan Returns really shocked me
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:01:16 GMT

gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:

>Anyway, I live for the
>movies! I love 'em. I spend entire chunks of my life a horror film (and
>other!) festivals getting no sleep watching hours of dross, shlock
>cinema and having a great time.

Which explains quite a lot in my opinion. You also seem to have had a
few cups of coffee too many. :-) If you criticize don't take criticism
so hard. We loved the movie. You hated it. So sue us. We won't.


May the Cool be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
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From: d-yang@cs.columbia.edu (David Yang)
Subject: Re: Disney teams with Merchant-Ivory
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:10:40 GMT

From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
> 
> Very interesting news in the "Daily Magazine" section of the Philadelphia
> Inquirer today...
> 
> 	Walt Disney Studios has signed a three-year deal with the
> 	director/producer team Ismail Merchant and James Ivory, the 
> 	pair responsible for _A Room With a View_, _Howards End_, and
> 	others.  Disney will pay half the development cost of all their 
> 	films (save those already committed to other studios) and give
> 	Merchant-Ivory complete control on any movie costing less than
> 	$12 million.
> 
> Sounds like they want to hit mainstream...I just hope they keep their high
> level of quality.

I thought at first that the $12 million upper limit was a bit tight,
but, as reported in the NY Times, A Room with a View cost only $3 million,
and Howards End just $8 million.  The Disney people were understandably
shocked at the low budgets and estimated that Howards End would've cost
them at least $20 million.  Then again, Ismail Merchant (the producer)
has a reputation for being extremely thrifty.  In an introduction to
a broadcast of Shakespeare Wallah, Madhur Jaffrey told of a scene where
she (playing a movie star) was sitting in a theater box and worrying
to Merchant that they needed another person in the box.  He told her
not to worry, and sure enough, when she turned her head again, as the
filming was about to continue, there was Merchant himself in the box,
sporting a false mustache.
From: janke@plains.NoDak.edu (Jeremy Janke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Whose voice is this?
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:37:28 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

Just when I think I've beaten my addiction to movies, my roommate becomes the
manager at a video rental store.

Anyway... here's the story.  My roommate brings home "Apocalypse Now" from his
video store.  He's miffed that the owner won't let him buy the recently 
released documentary about the making of the movie, but I digress...
At the end of "Apocalypse Now" we see among the actors' credits a reference
to the nararrator.  I thought that I had read that Martin Sheen did not do
the nararrating, but everyone agrees that it SOUNDS exactly like Martin Sheen.

The question is:  Was it Martin Sheen's voice that we first hear in the movie
saying, "Saigon..."?

Please E-MAIL me any response.  If enough people ask, I will post an answer.

-- 

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North Dakota State University           janke@plains           (Bitnet)
From: l4oj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Freedonian National Anthem? (Duck Soup)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:57:03 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

      Does anyone know the words to the Freedonian National Anthem (in
"Duck Soup")?  I can get "Hail, Hail, Freedonia, Land of the..." but can't
quite get the whole thing.  Thanks.  If there is interest, I'll post
the consensus to the net.
-Doug Elrod (L4oj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu, L4oj@CRNLVAX5.BITNET)
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From: cockrill@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jeremy Cockrill)
Subject: Re: Movie, _The_Villian_ wanted.   
Keywords: Villian, Arnold, Schwarzenegger, Kurt, Douglas   
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:28:56 GMT


Howdy, everyone:

I have been going crazy hunting for an old Kurt Douglas/Arnold Schwarzenegger
movie, _The_Villian_.  (I'm wanting to purchase it.)  I've looked in all the
video stores in my area, and have even consulted "the book" at Blockbuster.
(_The_Villian_ isn't even listed in the Blockbuster video book.)  Does anyone
know where I can purchase the video?  Do mail order video sources exist where
one doesn't have to be a member to purchase the tapes?  Thanks.

--Jeremy Cockrill
  (University of Oklahoma)

p.s.  Yes, I know that it is a stupid movie.  But I'm a big Arnold and Kurt
      fan.  (And anyway, it's a _funny_ stupid movie.)
From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Mia Sara
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:20:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bs3xEw.M90
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ST402420@brownvm.brown.edu writes:

>Just read that Mia Sara is acting in `A Stranger Among Us'. Saw her, for the
>first time, in `Queenie' a few weeks ago; in which she was excellent. Does
>anyone have any background/other movies, etc.?

>Sammy Samos.

She also appeared as Ferris Bueller's girlfriend in _Ferris Bueller's Day
Off_ and played Merle Oberon in an ABC miniseries based on her life.
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From: charlesk@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Hak Kim)
Subject: Re: Favorite musicals
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:30:07 GMT

urbano@ll.mit.edu (John Urbano) writes:

> YDD is a classic, I just saw it yesterday for the first time in about
> 6 years.  Unfortunately they colorized it, and didn't do a very good 
> job.  Thank god that colorization has no effect on the music.

Yeah.  YDD is an amazing movie.  Love it.  But that Bastard Ted Turner 
and the barbarians that man his so called Superstation can never be foregiven
for vandalizing YDD like they did.  Beyond forgiveness.

Regards,

Charles H. Kim

charlesk@sfu.ca
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From: tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane)
Subject: Re: Goriest Film Ever Made
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:30:58 GMT

two movies the guides might not mention but i've found terribly disturbing but
only slightly gory are pier paolo pasolini's 'salo, or 100 days in sodom'
and shohei innamura's  'vengence is mine'. slice and dicers don't really have
much of an effect, except for the occasional comedy/satires such as dawn of 
the dead. i find gore most effective when it seems realistic and cliche.
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Howard's End
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:46:39 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Liking or not liking Howards End will depend on the context you have for it.
Some people will see it as a Really Huge version of a Masterpiece Theatre
series, and like it or hate according to their taste for MT. Others will see it
as a cinematic treatment of a highly admired novel, and either like it because
it's faithful to the original, or hate it because it takes liberties with the
original. (I usually hate "lit'ry" movies that revere their sources too much.)

I found Howards End a very good film indeed, and it pushed me into reading the
novel--which was also as good as the critics always said it was. It seems very
contemporary in the issues it raises (both film and novel): the clash between
the materialist developers and artistic dilettantes, the rapid urbanization of
the countryside thanks to the automobile; the sexual politics of feminism. The
film, if not the novel, also asks us to consider the characters and their
problems with hindsight: we know, as they do not, that World War I is about to
blast this complacent world to bits.

And what is about to blast *our* complacent world to bits?
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From: phibat@auto-trol.com (Phil Batey)
Subject: Re: Audience Comments During Movies
Organization: Auto-trol Technology
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:02:33 GMT

One of the funniest things I heard in a movie was during Terminator 2
when Arnie was lowering himself (or was lowered) into the melting
pot. Someone behind me said: "I Won't be back"

Probably something everyone has heard before.
--
Phil Batey
Auto-trol Technology
Design and Engineering Applications
phibat@auto-trol.com
From: antoniou@buitc.bu.edu (George Antoniou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:29:10 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Jul23.143604.24483@wam.umd.edu> mbrown@wam.umd.edu (Michael A. Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.070137.23438@athena.mit.edu> eprice@sql.sybase.com writes:
>>-Ed Price             (not Tim Worsely)
>Can you give a serious, well-thought, well-written critical analysis of
>why you did not like T2?
>>-Michael A. Brown, University of Maryland
> Internet:  mbrown@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:34:04 -0400 
From: Louis Blair <lb2e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
	<64176@hydra.gatech.EDU>

>Well, for starters, they could have explained why oh why
>the T1000 was able to go back in time in a machine that
>only allows living things to pass through.

I don't think it is necessary for a movie to explain details
like this.  It is easy enough to come up with explanations
on one's own.

You know every time someone like you says, "I don't
believe", somewhere a terminator drops dead.  Watch
what you say.
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite musicals - Man of La Mancha
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:26:53 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


My favorite musical of all is "Man of La Mancha"
I am someone without any records or CD's and I
have a tape of MoLM which I listen to and it is the only
tape I have!

Too bad that the Film version was so poor (or so I heard
I haven't seen it yet).  You would think that some
company would produce a good version of it - it is a play
which needs very little in terms of scenery or props;
costumes are nneded but not a vast number and there have
been a number of good productions of professional theatre,
both stage and dinner, playing it for a number of years.


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From: germond@popov.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Germond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Vertigo ending opinions <SPOILER sort of>
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:12:25 GMT
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In article 12531@phillip.edu.au, t8800568@phillip.edu.au () writes:
>My question relates to the Hitchcock film Vertigo.
>
>Just what are peoples opinions about the ending?  What do you think
>it means?
>
>My own opinion is that Maddie thinks for a second that the nun in 
>the tower is the ghost of the woman she helped kill.  
>

I've always taken it be "divine judgement," in the form of a religious
symbol, i.e., the nun. It was never made clear why she was there in the
tower, so I felt she was just a handy prop for Hitch. It was important
in that day that the "hero" not be the instrument of a woman's death, so
I think a "magical nun" appeared out of the shadows to let poor old James
Stewart off the hook.

By the way, I think it's counterproductive to overanalyze these things. So
much that appears in the final cut of a film is "happy circumstance." I don't
think it's productive to be more analytical than the directors and writers are when
they produce a work.
From: t8800568@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Vertigo ending opinions <SPOILER sort of>
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:58:40 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Um, I realise that this subject might have cropped up before, but I 
havent seen any traffic on this topic lately.

My question relates to the Hitchcock film Vertigo.

Just what are peoples opinions about the ending?  What do you think
it means?

My own opinion is that Maddie thinks for a second that the nun in 
the tower is the ghost of the woman she helped kill.  

Comments? 
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