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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Thoughts about NCAA proposal?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:54:33 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <RandyL.34.726763590@MCES.MsState.Edu> RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper) writes:
>I read in yesterday's paper that a proposal is being put forth to the NCAA
>college president's meeting regarding baseball.  If I remember correctly
>(and I may not), the proposal makes it where college baseball cannot
>start before March 1.  Also, teams must play 14 weekENDS of baseball.

That would certainly even things up!  FSU often has 20 games under its 
belt when it slaughters some poor innocent from the snow belt down on 
spring break to play their first ball of the year. 

It might be good for another reason: it would be better on the pitching 
staff, who would be guaranteed a week rest.  It would also force more 
doubleheaders down in the warmer areas, which would make the situation 
more even with places like the Big Ten who play 4 games in 2 days in 
many cases.  That and they can go to school or participate in spring 
football practice.  Also, the overlap with basketball would be reduced. 

>According to one of the strong supporters of the proposal, Hill Denson--
>University of Southern Mississippi coach, this would supposedly increase fan
>interest in college baseball.  Hopefully, College baseball could take the
>place (at least partially) of minor league baseball.  (That's his notion--

I doubt it.  Not an issue in most college towns.  It could increase fan 
interest.  Here at FSU, those February games are often cold and feature 
uninteresting opponents.  A more concentrated schedule would include 
fewer tune up games and more conference games -- and maybe some games 
on Saturday afternoon as part of a doubleheader.  I would like that, 
since I prefer baseball in the sunshine. 

>not necessarily mine.)  Also, a push is being made to reinstate a teams' 
>being able to have two FULL-TIME assistants rather than the one and a half.

THAT would sell the proposal to the big guys.  I am sure FSU would happily 
trade some games for the return of that half of a coach.  Maybe not.  I 
have not seen any talk in the papers, but football just ended and the ACC 
basketball season is just starting.... 

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Pre-Season Polls...
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:38:23 GMT
Organization: .

>DURHAM, N.C. (AP) - The preseason top 25 college baseball teams
>as determined by the staff of Baseball America magazine, with
>rankings in last year's final poll:
>
>                                1992
> 1. Louisiana State                6
> 2. Arizona                      13
> |  [others gone]
>25. Illinois                      -
>
>Breakdown by conference
>(a little help here please with Tulane, Pepp, Miami)
>Pac 10 has 5 reps. (Stanford, AU, ASU, USC, UCLA)
>Southeastern has 4 reps (LSU, Miss St, Florida, Tenn)
>Atlantic Coast has 3 reps (GT, NC St, Clemson)
>Pacific Coast has 3? reps (CS Full, Pepp?, Fresno St)
>Missouri Valley has 2 (WSU, Creighton)
>Southwest has 2 (TU, TAMU)
                  ^^
aggie paramilitary sympathizer?

>Some comments:
>1) Wichita State will be #1 in the end, so everyone else
>   quit yer woofin already.
>2) Look for Notre Dame to be better than people expect.
>3) Everyone keep an eye on Miss. St.,  I've heard about
>   their team as early as last fall.
>4) Is there enough interest in this for me to keep it up
>   through the season?  No promises, because the South Bend 
>   Tribune often forgets to print the poll when ND drops out,
>   which really peeves me since Wichita State is ALWAYS in 
>   the top 25. d;)

 5) Where in the heck is FSU.  Seems like ever year they do a
    Saints-like cha-choke in Omaha despite being highly touted.  
    Not even a Top 25 ranking this year?  Ditto question for UGA.

--J.J.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: Purdue University Baseball
Keywords: Well we have our first possible All-American ever
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:08:09 GMT

Heard just the other day that Jermaine Allensworth, an outfielder
for the Purdue baseball team, just just been voted first team All American
preseason as an outfielder..I am excieted for Jermaine and Purdue becaues of this and the fact that the article mentioned that most of the All American are
from down south....just goes to show that there are us up here in the North
who have players that are just as good.

Scott
From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Purdue University Baseball
Keywords: Well we have our first possible All-American ever
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:48:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC

In article <C0JM5M.Cvs@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:

>Heard just the other day that Jermaine Allensworth, an outfielder
>for the Purdue baseball team, just just been voted first team All American
>preseason as an outfielder..I am excieted for Jermaine and Purdue becaues of this and the fact that the article mentioned that most of the All American are
>from down south....just goes to show that there are us up here in the North
>who have players that are just as good.

>Scott

  I don't doubt Allensworth is a great player, but how can one be dubbed an 
"All American" before he even plays a single inning?  This HYPE business has 
got to go....Lets let a player play an inning-or-so before we Knight him.
                                                             ^^^^^^
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Purdue University Baseball
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:49:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: .

(Scott C. Kramer) writes:
>
>Heard just the other day that Jermaine Allensworth, an outfielder
>for the Purdue baseball team, just just been voted first team All American
>preseason as an outfielder..I am excieted for Jermaine and Purdue 

Do you (or anyone else) have this preseason All-Am listing?  If so,
please post.

--J.J.

>
>Scott
From: boyd@asylum.cc.msstate.edu (Boyd Nation)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Availability of information on Miss. State baseball
Keywords: poll
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:11:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mississippi State University

In article <1993Jan8.155023.25111@cs.ucf.edu> jdd@engr.ucf.edu (Joseph Dumas) writes:
>Definitely.  And let me encourage my brother and sister Dawgs back home
>in Mississippi to post articles, box scores, summaries, etc. for the
>benefit of those of us imprisoned in other locales.  The newspaper here
>in Mickey Mouse Town has a simple policy:  if you are playing UF, FSU,
>or Miami that week, you get covered.  If not, you might as well be
>playing on the moon.  Usually you can't even get a *score* for MSU
>games, much less a boxscore or even a sentence or two to describe the
>action.  The only time you see *anything* is during the regionals, and
>even then they favor the ones with Florida teams playing.....

For Joe and the other Dawgs scattered around, I'm going to try something
this year.  When possible, I'm going to put MSU baseball information in
my .plan during the season.  Just finger boyd@ra.msstate.edu for scores
and schedule information.  Obviously, this is subject to my availability, 
so I can't guarantee how timely the information will be, but I'll do my
best and we'll see how useful it turns out to be.

--
Boyd Nation                 boyd@cc.msstate.edu               Stress kills.
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Pre-Season Polls...
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan8.144118.16093@news.nd.edu>, gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu writes...
#Big East has 1? (Miami?) (are they in the Big East for bb?)

No, Miami is in the Big East for every sport except baseball (independent)
and soccer (no team).  I don't think the Big East is a conference for lacrosse
or hockey, but Miami doesn't have (varsity) teams in either of those sports,
either.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper)
Subject: Thoughts about NCAA proposal?
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:46:30 GMT

I read in yesterday's paper that a proposal is being put forth to the NCAA
college president's meeting regarding baseball.  If I remember correctly
(and I may not), the proposal makes it where college baseball cannot
start before March 1.  Also, teams must play 14 weekENDS of baseball.
According to one of the strong supporters of the proposal, Hill Denson--
University of Southern Mississippi coach, this would supposedly increase fan
interest in college baseball.  Hopefully, College baseball could take the
place (at least partially) of minor league baseball.  (That's his notion--
not necessarily mine.)  Also, a push is being made to reinstate a teams' 
being able to have two FULL-TIME assistants rather than the one and a half.

Anyway, I was just wondering what others on the net have heard about the 
proposal, and what do you think about it?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: rollins_r@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Collegiate Baseball Pre-Season Polls
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:16:27 GMT




I noticed the listing of the pre-season top 25 as per Baseball America.
Has such a poll yet been released by Collegiate Baseball ?  If so, can anyone
post it ?  Thanks.

Rick ROllins
From: rollins_r@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Pre-Season Polls...
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:34:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>Breakdown by conference
>(a little help here please with Tulane, Pepp, Miami)
>Pac 10 has 5 reps. (Stanford, AU, ASU, USC, UCLA)
>Southeastern has 4 reps (LSU, Miss St, Florida, Tenn)
>Atlantic Coast has 3 reps (GT, NC St, Clemson)
>Pacific Coast has 3? reps (CS Full, Pepp?, Fresno St)
 Pepperdine is in West Coast, Fresno State now in WAC.  CSF is in the Big West
 conference (formerly the PCAA).
>Missouri Valley has 2 (WSU, Creighton)
>Southwest has 2 (TU, TAMU)
>Big 10 (11?) has 2 reps (Minn, Ill) (will PSU be in the Big 10 for bb?)
>Big East has 1? (Miami?) (are they in the Big East for bb?)
 Miami is an independent in baseball.
>Big 8 has 1 (Ok St)
>Midwestern Collegiate has 1 (Notre Dame)
>Independents: 1? (Tulane?) (is this correct?)
 Tulane is in the Metro Conference.
> 
> 
>Some comments:
>4) Is there enough interest in this for me to keep it up
>   through the season?  No promises, because the South Bend 
>   Tribune often forgets to print the poll when ND drops out,
>   which really peeves me since Wichita State is ALWAYS in 
>   the top 25. d;)
    Not only would I like to see it (if others don't put it in), but I'd
    really like line scores of the Irish games from the South Bend Tribune
    (if you have any inclination).  I can't get them here in Atlanta.
    Thanks anyway if you don't have the time nor inclination.

> 
>ciao...George (buck naked WSU alum with only my aTm hat on) Ross
>===============  NeXT mail more than welcome  ==================
>George B. Ross                                           Oh joy!
>gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu                        --Stimpson J. Cat


 Rick Rollins
From: acker@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Pre-Season Polls...
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:22:17 GMT
Reply-To: ACKER@oak.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Read a blurb in the USA Today that _Baseball America_ has picked LSU to win
the 1993 College World Series.  Anyone have pre-season polls that they can post
to r.s.bb.c?

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From: gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross)
Subject: Re: Pre-Season Polls...
Reply-To: gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:41:18 GMT

Someone asked sooo here it is...for those of you that don't
get to see the newspapers

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) - The preseason top 25 college baseball teams
as determined by the staff of Baseball America magazine, with
rankings in last year's final poll:

                                1992
 1. Lousiana State                6
 2. Arizona                      13
 3. Southern Cal                  -
 4. Miami                         3
 5. Oklahoma State                8
 6. Georgia Tech                 22
 7. Mississippi State             -
 8. Cal St.-Fullerton             2
 9. Wichita State                 5
10. Texas A&M                    19
11. Texas                         4
12. Stanford                     11
13. Arizona State                 -
14. Pepperdine                    1
15. Notre Dame                   15
16. N.C. State                   20
17. UCLA                         21
18. Minnesota                     -
19. Clemson                       7
20. Fresno State                  -
21. Tulane                        -
22. Florida                      16
23. Creighton                     -
24. Tennessee                     -
25. Illinois                      -

Breakdown by conference
(a little help here please with Tulane, Pepp, Miami)
Pac 10 has 5 reps. (Stanford, AU, ASU, USC, UCLA)
Southeastern has 4 reps (LSU, Miss St, Florida, Tenn)
Atlantic Coast has 3 reps (GT, NC St, Clemson)
Pacific Coast has 3? reps (CS Full, Pepp?, Fresno St)
Missouri Valley has 2 (WSU, Creighton)
Southwest has 2 (TU, TAMU)
Big 10 (11?) has 2 reps (Minn, Ill) (will PSU be in the Big 10 for bb?)
Big East has 1? (Miami?) (are they in the Big East for bb?)
Big 8 has 1 (Ok St)
Midwestern Collegiate has 1 (Notre Dame)
Independents: 1? (Tulane?) (is this correct?)


Some comments:
1) Wichita State will be #1 in the end, so everyone else
   quit yer woofin already.
2) Look for Notre Dame to be better than people expect.
3) Everyone keep an eye on Miss. St.,  I've heard about
   their team as early as last fall.
4) Is there enough interest in this for me to keep it up
   through the season?  No promises, because the South Bend 
   Tribune often forgets to print the poll when ND drops out,
   which really peeves me since Wichita State is ALWAYS in 
   the top 25. d;)

ciao...George (buck naked WSU alum with only my aTm hat on) Ross
===============  NeXT mail more than welcome  ==================
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gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu                        --Stimpson J. Cat

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: jdd@engr.ucf.edu (Joseph Dumas)
Subject: Re: Pre-Season Polls...
Summary: please keep posting
Keywords: poll
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:50:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.144118.16093@news.nd.edu> gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu writes:
>Someone asked sooo here it is...for those of you that don't
>get to see the newspapers
>
>DURHAM, N.C. (AP) - The preseason top 25 college baseball teams
>as determined by the staff of Baseball America magazine, with
>rankings in last year's final poll:
>
>                                1992
>
> 7. Mississippi State             -
>
> 9. Wichita State                 5
>
>Some comments:
>1) Wichita State will be #1 in the end, so everyone else
>   quit yer woofin already.

We'll see....  I have better sense than to anger the woof gods by
predicting a championship for the Dawgs yet....

>3) Everyone keep an eye on Miss. St.,  I've heard about
>   their team as early as last fall.

It's hard to believe with the people they lost (esp. pitchers) that they
would be ranked so high.  Guess great coaching and fan support must
count for something, eh?  I hope the polls are right...would be nice if
they could win their regional (in Starkville, of course) and return to
the CWS this year.

>4) Is there enough interest in this for me to keep it up
>   through the season?  No promises, because the South Bend 
>   Tribune often forgets to print the poll when ND drops out,
>   which really peeves me since Wichita State is ALWAYS in 
>   the top 25. d;)

Definitely.  And let me encourage my brother and sister Dawgs back home
in Mississippi to post articles, box scores, summaries, etc. for the
benefit of those of us imprisoned in other locales.  The newspaper here
in Mickey Mouse Town has a simple policy:  if you are playing UF, FSU,
or Miami that week, you get covered.  If not, you might as well be
playing on the moon.  Usually you can't even get a *score* for MSU
games, much less a boxscore or even a sentence or two to describe the
action.  The only time you see *anything* is during the regionals, and
even then they favor the ones with Florida teams playing.....

-- 
    ---------->  Joe is jdd@engr.ucf.edu (Joseph Dumas) <----------
"How about a nice game of Chess?"
"No, let's play Global Thermonuclear War."
"Fine."
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Pre-Season Polls...
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:03:31 GMT
Organization: .

He writes:
>Read a blurb in the USA Today that _Baseball America_ has picked LSU to win
>the 1993 College World Series.  Anyone have pre-season polls that they can post
>to r.s.bb.c?

Was this in Wednesday's or Thursday's edition of the USAToday?  I know
last year, they covered college baseball specifically on Wednesdays.
Same scene this year?   

Here's hoping that _Baseball America_ doesn't have some sorta wicked
SI-type jinx.....

-J.J.

BEWARE OF BERTMAN'S BURGEONING BUNCH OF BAYOU BENGALS!!!!

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From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Pre-Season Polls...
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:33:38 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <1993Jan8.144118.16093@news.nd.edu>,
by gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross):

[Top 25, misc. info, and FOOLISH woofing deleted]

> 4) Is there enough interest in this for me to keep it up
>    through the season?  No promises, because the South Bend 
>    Tribune often forgets to print the poll when ND drops out,
>    which really peeves me since Wichita State is ALWAYS in 
>    the top 25. d;)

I say yes, please.  I'll back you up whenever you can't get it.

Go Cats.  Number 2?  Gulp.  I wish it wasn't so high.

--

Steve Matheson   Program in Neuroscience   University of Arizona
sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Stats' correlation with winning (batters)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:34:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jle@world.std.com (Joe M Leonard) says:

>As a follow-on of sorts to the Fielder et al discussions, I thought I'd
>run the 1992 AL team stats to see what correlated with Wins (really the
>only Important stat?)...
>
>Runs	0.673
>SB-rat	0.555
>TBB	0.503
>SB	0.429
>Hits	0.344
>EB-hits	0.114
>HR	0.062

  I guess I don't understand what you've done here.  Obviously runs have the
highest correlation to wins, but how did you figure that out?  It's also 
apparently not a linear thing since Hits + SB > Runs -- which is not a
general truth.

>
>1. HR's show NO correlation with winning.  Granted, this is a very limited
>sample, so one would have to check a bunch more years (suitably scaled
>against each other) to see if this is a fluke or not.
>
>Oh, thought I'd add - correlation against Runs:
>
>EB-hits	0.665
>Hits	0.642
>SB-rat	0.603
>HR	0.580

   I see another spot where something's going wrong.  How can HR's correlate
heavily with runs but not with wins considering how heavily runs correlate
against wins?

  I'm sorry if this is a well-known statistical method that I have just missed
on r.s.bb before.  Could you explain what you've done a little more?

SfH
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Who was drafted befor "Big Hurt"? (Was: Re: Clark v Thomas)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:33:57 GMT

In <1ispngINNg3a@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose) writes:
[...]

>The players drafted before Thomas were:

>Ben McDonald, Orioles
>Tyler Houston, Braves
[...]
ARRGGGGHHH!!!
Wouldn't Frank Thomas have looked good in a Braves uniform?
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Can a Good Glove make up for a Dead Bat? (and vice versa)
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:57:03 GMT

In article <-#f=+K=@engin.umich.edu> sjw_nc@engin.umich.edu (Scott J Wilderman) writes:
>I'm somewhat confused by the dramatic influence of the 'park factor' 
>effect in this analysis.  Am I to assume that something about County
>Stadium was changed from 1991 to 1992 which was responsible for 50 
>fewer runs (actually, 100 by your own numerical anaylsis) being scored 
>by the Brewers' opponents than in the previous year?  What was it?

While I ordinarily am not moved by changes in park factors from
season to season, this one might be a real change and not just
noise. I remember reading somewhere (Bill James?) that Milwaukee
County Stadium has always been a slight hitters park during
the summer and an extreme pitchers park during April, May, and
September. That is, County Stadium is unusually affected by
the weather, probably because Milwaukee has such extremes of weather.
If May 1991 were unusually warm, that might really make County
Stadium a hitter's park for that year, whereas it is generally
a good park for pitchers.

I remember a lot of discussion about how the bad weather was
affecting hitters a lot last year. So maybe this difference
from 1991 to 1992 in Milwaukee *was* real and maybe it is 
fair to use one year park factors in this analysis.


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