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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Boris Grebenschikov
From: svlissia@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:10:24 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Hello, everybody !

Have you already heared the last release of BG ?
They call it "The history of Aquarium, vol. III ". It is a pleasant surprise
for everybody who likes our good old Bob, 'cause it proves that "Aquarium's"
collapse did really good.
The songs sound fresh, arrangement is unpredictable, like in the best 
pieces of "Children of December"(the best album of BG, as for me),
lyrics - no comments as usually.
You must have heared one of the songs from this release on TV,if you are
not very long here,  - "Uvy"(sorry, I really don't know how to translate
this. "Unfortunately"???- It does not sound good).It is, the way americans
say it, cool. And "God save the polar people" - just like Bob in his
best times. 
Beginning of the song "Hunting on the unicorns" is, I think, exactly the
way he wanted "Aquarium" to sound all the time. Just the technical level
of the guys from his new band is much much higher than of those ever played
in A.
Of course, this album is far behind A's best, but remember "Equinox",
complete step back, nightmare of all the "Aquarium's" fans. Now we see, that
BG is still alive, though R&R is dead.
It would be nice to hear your opinion. 

                             Good bye !  
                                            Sergei.

 I don't wanna be your candidate for Vietnam and Watergate,
 All I wanna do is ............  What ?


 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Alexei Stolboushkin)
Subject: Re: RENAME ?!!
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:12:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.141122.8928@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>
>Soc.culture.soviet is the same if there was a news-group
>soc.culture.nazi-german.

I agree with the pathos, but it is not as simple. The main difference
is that Nazi Germany existed for a short period of time, not sufficient
to generate anti-nazi-germany culture inside (correct me if I am wrong).
There existed ok anti-nazi culture, but it was like an anti-sovietism
of the FIRST Russian emigration.

And indeed, if you compare samples of nazi art, and of soviet art of
that period, they are surprisingly (or not surprisingly) similar, in
music, movies, and literature.

However, then soviet backgroung culture started to grow, and produced
some chez-d'oeuvres, and, more important, generally different
cultural atmosphere, still full of fascist/communist miasmas, but
already not homogeneous.

Now, many of us grew up in this atmosphere of Galich's songs,
anonymous ``anecdotes'', sam/tam-izdat books, and Western radio
news broadcasts.

>I hope |you understand what I mean. Soviet culture is not russian culture.

and this is the point. Some of us can be familiar with Russian culture,
after all, we have studied Russian literature in schools, and have read
Nabokov, etc. But we belong to soviet (or anti-soviet, if it makes a
difference) culture: we speak Soviet, we write in Soviet (in which God
is lowercase, but Great October Socialist Revolution is capitalized,
let's alone ``slesarya'' and ``professora''), we even use Soviet alphabet.
Our political instincts are Soviet: the state equipped with KGB and
GULAG is our #1 enemy, and our relation to it is either an open war, 
or a ceasefire.

Another point which I tried to make im my last posting is that it
would be complicated to split the culture to russian, ukrainian,
belorussian, abhazian, etc.

>
>I am for soc.culture.russian
>privet,
>jarmo
From: polyakov@ruhets.rutgers.edu (dimitri Polyakov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Will Russia stand beside Serbia?
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:48:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

My friend!Do you really think Russia is obliged to Serbia?
No.Russia is not obliged to the fashist state.
       Merry Christmas,
                       -Dimitri Polyakov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mam18@sparrow.cs.uofs.edu (Michael A Martinov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: How to avoid panslavism and toilets in Finland
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:29:44 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <101403@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.015838.6787@polaris.utu.fi> opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva) writes:
|> >In article <01GS49JQQ1YO8Y53JT@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> SERGEI VIZNYUK,
|> >VIZNYUK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU writes:
|> >>> Olli-Jukka Paloneva
|> 
|>   I'm sorry to say that, but ... f*ck, could you reply in ONE article
|>   to another article? It gets boring to see one line at a time!!

I think he is trying to copy our f**king friend from Ex-Tsar'grad (I don't
want to use neither his name, nor the place where he is from, for he
can start to reply on it...).

|> 
|>   S.B.


Hey, Olli, why won't you start to cite some articles as a reply on
one line?

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I   University of Scranton	I  language..."			   I
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Subject: Re: RENAME ?!!
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:20:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.101002.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Dec14.124222.476@rivers>, acs_anshakov@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
|> > 
|> > HI, PEOPLE !!
|> > 
|> > I AGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO THINKS THAT IT IS TIME TO RENAME
|> > THIS NEWSGROUP. SOVIET UNION DISAPPEARED MORE THAN A YEAR 
|> > AGO AND WE STILL HAVE THIS NAME WHICH BECAME HISTORY.
|> > WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT FUTURE NAME OF THIS GROUP, BUT PRESENT 
|> > NAME DOES MAKE ANY SENSE.
|> > PLEASE, LET'S THINK ABOUT IT.
|> > 
|> > REGARDS,
|> > 
|> > IGOR
|> > V GLUSHI WISKONSII
|> 
|> May be it's a good idea to rename this groop, but I think that the present
|> name reflects exactly the spirit of all of us.  Ironically, there exists
|> soc.culture.cis, but nobody uses it.  
|> 
|> It's true that S.U. disappeared more than a year ago, but, as for me, who
|> emigrated 2 years ago, it's still S.U. even if it has completely different
|> name.  You cannot change culture and people just renaming the country;
|> therefore, soc.culture.SOVIET is more appropriate than any other name (unless
|> someone wants to see 15-20 different groups like soc.culture.ukrainian, 
|> soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.moldavian...).
|> 
|> The topics of our discussions remind me a couple of lines from Makarevich:
|> 
|> "...I Armeniiu, i Estoniiu
|>  likhoradit uzhe v otkrytuiu.
|>  A my vse smeemsia nad Leneiu,
|>  Poteshaemsia nad Nikitoiu..."
|> 
|> Let me try to predict the topics which would appear in January-February:
|> "Estonia 238", "RELAX: Krasnaia Shapochka", "Rozhdestvenskii luchshe chem
|> Pushkin", "Antisemitism na Chukotke", "Zatknite Vulisa", "Looking for
|> e-mail address in Tula" etc. etc.
|> 
|> Would somebody think of anything new and refreshing.  As for me, I'm tired
|> of Estonia discussion, and I'm almost out of "new" jokes.  Sorry, I don't
|> have enough imagination myself, but I do see some people on the net, who
|> have creative type of mind.  Com'n, guys.  Think of something!!!  
|> 
|> We make our group SOVIET, not it's name!
|> 
|> 
|> Michael Martynov.

   As for me, SOVIET CULTURE was the best fiture of all Stalin-Khruschev-Brezhnev
period. Yep, these leaders were ambitious, they wrote a bunch of black pages in
Soviet history, but they made their people to get a real education. I'm not singing dipherambs for them, but emphasizing the level of culture. At least those
who wanted to get it, they got it. Nowadays the rate of degradation is so high
in Russia ( either educated people left away or the present society cannot 
produce the necessary amount to compensate this process ), that a new Russian
culture is associated with something like speech of Ruslan Khazbulatov about
a democratic movement on a background of naked girls accompanied by Alisa band
playing "Bozhe Tzarya Hrani". 

   Yury









Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11249 talk.politics.soviet:9833 soc.culture.europe:10597
From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Merry Christmas everyone!
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:34:32 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

To all fellow netters.  I am going home for the vac, so no
contributions will be forthcoming from me for a while.  Best wishes to
all!  (and this being the festive season of peace and forgiveness,
"all" includes my arch-enemy Vorlund).

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	MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!
                                                 Alexei M-T.
From: krainev@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Uh-huh, FMSh No.10 graduates?
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:11:11 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


 Hei, is anyone here graduated from FMSh No. 10, Novosibirsk?

 I wasn't attending that scool, but dated a girl (class 1977) for a
 year and half. 

 Regards, Arkadi.
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: prostuzhena
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:07:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: locusts.berkeley.edu

New subject: lekarstvo ot prostudy
Expires: I hope it will work soon!!!

Body of message:
/margaret@glas.apc.org/h:j  

Conclusion: I like my KILL file
Epilogue: no more margaret... vsxlip, vsxlip


Shura the Green Snake Worshipper



-- 
These fits of depression are torturing me
The lives that I seen won't breath again
A sad child of madness, they will never be free
Born again to die, the agonies begin...
		 -W.A.S.P. "The Heretic."
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Estonia (repeat)
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:42:56 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Dec12.013105.3750@news.uni-stuttgart.de> kr3@ph3hp840.physik.uni-stuttgart.de writes:
[I (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) wrote:]
>>(1)  The nation didn't.  The re'gime ruling the country in which that
>>nation resides did.  This doesn't make the nation responsible, particularly
>>given that it was itself subject to the same "raping" process.
>
>I don't think I wrote that the nation was responsible.

I don't remember the details; that was quite a while ago.  But my
impression must have been to that effect.

>I think that if there was evil committed in the name of a given
>nation, even against its will, then representatives of this nation
>should at least reflect on this and show some sensitivity towards the
>other nation which was wronged.

I vote for everyone to show sensitivity towards everyone else.
History has shown time and time again that it is possible to work
mischief in the name of just about anything, so I see no reason for
setting any special standards for (in this case) the Russian nation.
It is also my opinion that such an artificially created antagonistic
relationship leads to _both_ sides being wronged, not just the one
that is placed on the lower shelf.

>I cannot see a minimal dose of such a sensitivity in
>the Russian-Estonian discussion.

I can't comment on this one.  The only thing I'd say is that such
sensitivity must not imply enduring discrimination of any kind.

>As for using the term `nation' - there is little doubt that the
>Estonian-Russian problem is based on the ethnicity conflict.

Yes, of course.  The ethnicity conflict, which was inherited from the
imperialist policies of the Soviet Union, which borrowed them from the
Gaol of Nations, the Russian Empire.  _Divide and impera_ is the name.

>Sure enough this was done under false pretenses, but the feeling of
>the subdued people was quite generally such that it was the
>`Russians' who fell upon them, and not the `Soviets'.

Correct.  That's what their feeling was.  Nothing surprising, but
still an unfortunate fact.  They might benefit from getting rid of
that feeling.

>The self-identification of the Soviet rulers with the image of
>Russia was increasingly visible during the years of their power.
>Even before WWII Stalin supported the large-scale movie
>pictures like "Ivan the Terrible" by Eisenstein, which praised
>`Matushku Rassiju' above all.

Would that it were easier to draw a line between nationalism and patriotism.

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:03:45 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Dec15.000236.18498@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@birkhoff.harvard.edu writes:

> Pravil'no, Sergei! Lipshitsa pora kastrirovat', da i drugogo
> vashego opponenta tozhe by ne hudo... No kakaya svoloch'
> etot Lipshits! Posylaet po pyat' kopii odnoi mudatskoi
> stat'i, a potom eshcho desyat' kopii s tsitatami 
> bez edinoi svoei strochki. Zhalko chto Kornell ne v
> Keimbridzhe, a to by ya etogo Lipshitsa sobstvennoruchno
> kastriroval by. 
> 
> Misha.

I could give you a ride there. Still want to go? :-)

Greg
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: On 'idiotic flames' and idiots. (was Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot)
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:22:30 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <GOROKHO1.92Dec15155524@husc10.harvard.edu>, gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky) writes:
> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>> P.S.  Ia ne schitaiu chto eto plokho posylat' "idiotskie fleimy", a posemu
>>       u menia net protivorechiia mezhdu slovom i delom...  Sovetuiu podumat'.
> 
> Nakonets to hot' kto-to priznalsya chto on ne schitaet zazornym byt'
> idiotom. Da ecshe podverzhdaet eto na dele. Vot ona, vot ona
> dolgozhdannaya tsivilizovannost'.

Strannyi vyvod vy delaiete, uvazhaemyi, iz togo chto ia na samom dele skazal.
Pozvol'te ob''iasnit'sia:
1.  "Idiotskie fleimy" byli vziaty v kavychki, poskol'ku eto byla tsitata iz
    predydushchego soobshcheniia.  Ia lichno ne dumaiu, chto oni takie uzh 
    idiotskie (a vot tot kto ikh idiotskimi nazval, tak uzh tochno idiot...).
2.  "Ia ne schitaiu chto eto plokho..." ne to zhe samoe, chto "ia posylaiu
    idiotskie fleimy...".  Podumaite-ka nad etim.  Kazhdyi shlet to, chto
    mozhet.  Tak pochemu zhe kto-to pozvoliaet sebe schitat', chto oni 
    "idiotskie"?
3.  Esli vy, dorogoi moi, izuchali psikhologiiu, to dolzhny znat', chto ot
    geniia do idiota - odin shag.  Esli kto-to talantliv v odnoi oblasti, u
    nego obiazatel'no est' nedostatki v droi.
    Tak chto pozvol'te mne sebia schitat' "pochti idiotom", t.e. geniem.

Esli vy vse eshche imeete chto-to dobavit', to pozhaluista, pol'zuites' e-mail,
poskol'ko ia ne ochen' liubliu obsuzhdat' samogo sebia priliudno.  Skromnost',
znaete li...

> 
> Zhenya

Misha, ili prosto Genii.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11241 talk.politics.soviet:9828 soc.culture.europe:10592
From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Can Yeltsin reelect parlament now?
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:26:51 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <Bz9uxs.KH3.1@cs.cmu.edu> smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov) writes:
>In article <104545@bu.edu>, simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec8.202556.20058@galois.mit.edu> verbit@cauchy.mit.edu (Mikahil Verbitski) writes:
>|> 
>|> >Unfortunately, to dissolve and reelect the Congress,
>|> >Yeltsin needs one of the following:
>|> >(a) to gather 1.000.000 votes from people
>|> >who want the reelection, or
>|> So easy? or you missed couple of zeroes?!
>|> less than 1% of population?
>|> 
>|> KGB could do the job with  1/n-th of it's recruiters...
>
>   No any zeros can help now. Today a new Prime Minister was elected by
>the "qualified majority" - Chernomyirdin. His first words and his
>"chernaya myirda" reminded the blissful time of Party leadership.
>Perhaps, Gaidar wasn't thin too, but he is an educated person !
>Maphia is still strong, KGB ne spit.

Sam durak. How can you know who is better for Russia, Gaidar or
Chernomydrin? By listening to American TV and radio? Then you are
dangerously stupid. By the way, even great American TV is in
disagreement on whether fall of Gaidar was good or bad.
Today they ran little talk show on PBS (Lehrer/McNeil News Hour)
from which one can see that some people (half of people who spoke)
feel OK about this new prime minister with difficult-to-pronounce
name. It is, probably, his only big disadvantage.

Please, don't think that I am in support of centrists or conservatives
or democrats (in Russia). I just don't know who are good and who are
bad -- with exception of communism supporters who were proven to be bad.
In your case, I'm just wondering how a person pretending to be for
`democracy' uses bolshevik tactics blaming everything on mafia and old
regime.

Vadim Maslov.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:26:57 EST
From: <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Umom ne
 <1992Dec12.022934.5986@polaris.utu.fi> <1gbntjINNol1@agate.berkeley.edu>

I am new to this discussion, but may I remind you another GUBERMAN's da-tse-bao:
(Sorry if it's offensive for somebody)

    Davno pora, yebyona mat'
    Umom Rossiyu ponimat'!


 -Boris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Turkey in Armenia
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:29:04 GMT

In article <11985@sorley.ed.ac.uk> alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) writes:
>I wonder whether Turkey will be slain by Armenians for the new year.

Just a few Azeris, I suppose, not the whole Turkey.  And the Azeris will 
rape and kill a few more Armenians.  It's a cheery, loving relationship,
y'know.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: jkl@osc.edu (Jan Labanowski)
Subject: How to get RELCOM News ?
Keywords: Relcom news, nntp, usenet
Organization: Ohio Supercomputer Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:06:35 GMT

Dear Netters,

I am a new member to this service, so excuse, if this is a FAQ.

I am interested in getting a newsfeed of RELCOM News groups to my computer.
We are a UNIX shop, so this system is my primary focus.
I work at Ohio Supercomputer Center on the Ohio State University campus in
Columbus, OH. If you read RELCOM news on your computer, please take a moment
and answer a few questions to my address. I will summarize to everybody.
1. Where you are getting a newsfeed from (directly from Finland or
   from some place in US)? What is the e-mail address of the administrator
   for your News service? I will possibly need to contact him/her.
2. The RELCOM news are encoded. What do you use to transliterate them to
   something more readable for humans? How you use this within the rn news
   reader?
3. Which groups within RELCOM are worth reading from the point of view of
   information about xUSSR, politics, business, cultural affairs  (I would
   rather read alt.sex in English --- though I might be wrong, seems like
   Russian is very rich in this respect {:-)} )
4. What is the volume of news?
5. Whatever I did not mention due to my naivette...

Thanks in advance. I will summarize the respones (you can request anonymity
if you wish...)

Jan Labanowski
jkl@osc.edu
JKL@OHSTPY.BITNET
jkl@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
 

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From: acs_anshakov@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Stishok
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:30:07 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


		*  *  *

CHTO-TO IZMENILOS', SAM NE ZNAIU CHTO,
TOL'KO POIAVILOS' NA STEKLE LICO,
I RASPIATUH KRIKI KAK-TO VDALEKE
I ROSSIA STALA, KAK ZHURAVL' V RYKE.
  IA YZHE NE ZNAIU: CHTO TAM, GDE I KAK;
  GIMNA NET PODAVNO, IZMENILI FLAG.
  ZHIZNI PROIGRALI, CHECT' NE SBEREGLI,
  CHTO ZHE MU REBIATA, KAK MU TAK SMOGLI?

                 *  *  *

OTKRUTKA OT MILOI, NY CHTO ZHE
VAS LUBIAT, VOZHMOZHNO, VDALI,
EZCHIO NE ZABULI POHOZHE,
A V NEBE KRICHAT ZHURAVLI...
  
IGOR
V GLUSHI WISCONSII
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Estonia 16 (A disclaimer only)
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:42:40 GMT


In article <12056@sorley.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) 
writes:

> Whichever way you want to look at it, Serega & Co are right.


It's up to you to choose your friends in this political debate (and
struggle).

 
>>But I am afraid that this is the price that the Russians must pay
>>for the fact that Soviet Union occupied the independed Estonia
>>in 1940 and this Republic was re-established in 1991.
> 
> Here Mr.Hietaniemi goes with his talk of "guilty nations" again.  Why?


The concept of "guilty nation" is your invention. It has nothing to do
with my opinions. See my previous postings for my opinions (especially
"Happy End for the Estonian question").


with best regards
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum

Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:10956 soc.culture.europe:10379 talk.politics.soviet:9642
From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Estonia 10
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:00:34 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

Mr.Hietaniemiwrites:
>In article <11935@scott.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk 
>(Alexei Moiseyev) writes:
>
>> I really am not trying to pick a quarrell here.  I just want to draw
>> you attention to the fact that Communism has about as much to do with
>> Russia as with any other country that has had the misfortune of having
>> been "Communist" at some point in its history.


>Unfortunately, I can't agree. The communist dictatorship was introduced
>in the Baltic countries by Soviet Russia. Why can't you recognize this
>basic fact?

I do recognise this fact.  BUT, why can't you recognise the fact that
this fact is of no importance here.  Soviet Russia was NOT Russia.  

And anyway who introduced Communism in Russia in the first place?
Check out Latyshskie Strelki!

>asks
>the observer
>Tapani Hietaniemi

The moral is: when we are talking of Communism, nationality and
ethnicity of perpetrators are of no importance.
						answers to the observer,
							A.M-T.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet