From: samir@sphinx.rtp.dg.com (M. Yasser Samir)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons for Believing in the Deity of Jesus Christ.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:10:53 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

         In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    The following is the original article and then my reply to it.

In article <1992Apr3.082542.5206@serval.net.wsu.edu>, wvanweer@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Wayne VanWeerthuizen) writes:
|> 
|>       TOP 10 BIBLICAL REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE DIETY OF CHRIST
|>     ----------------------------------------------------------------
|> 10. (1Cor 8:6)
|>      But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things,
|>    and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ for whom are all things,
|>    and we for him.
|> 
|> 9. (Eph 1:17)
|>      That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give
|>    unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
|> 
|> 8. (Luke 2:52)
|>      And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
|> 
|> 7. (John 17:3) [Jesus praying]
|>      And this is life eternal, that they may know you, the only true God,
|>    and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
|> 
|> 6. (Acts 10:38)
|>      How God annointed Jesus of Nazareth with the holy spirit and with 
|>    power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed
|>    of the devil; for God was with him.
|> 
|> 5. (1Tim 2:5)
|>      For there is one God, and on mediator between God and men, the man 
|>    Jesus Christ.
|> 
|> 4. (1Cor 11:3)
|>      But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the
|>    head of the woman is man; and the head of Christ is God.
|> 
|> 3. (John 20:17)
|>      Jesus said unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
|>    Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my 
|>    Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
|> 
|> 2. (Mt 27:46)
|>      And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli,
|>    Eli, lame sabachthani?  that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou
|>    forsaken me?
|> 
|> 1. (Rev 15:2-4)
|>      ... They held harps given them by God, and sang the song of Moses
|>     the servant of God, AND THE SONG OF THE LAMB:
|>                         ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^
|> 	"Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty.
|> 	 Just and true are your ways, King of the ages.
|> 	 Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name?
|> 	 For you alone are holy.
|>     	 All nations will come and worship before you,
|>          for your righteous acts have been revealed."
|> 


  Please note that I did use the same source as the original article did,
which is "The Holy Bible".  It would make the discussion much easier, if
both of us use the same book.  

    
       TOP 10 BIBLICAL REASONS FOR "NOT" BELIEVING IN THE DIETY OF CHRIST 
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 (1) Did nothing on his own authority (Jn. 5:30, 14:31, Matt. 20:23).

 (2) Spoke not of his own authority (Jn. 14:10, 8:28-29).

 (3) Said that the father is greater than him (Jn. 14:28).

 (4) Was temted (Matt. 4:1-11), but God can not be tempted (James 1:13).

 (5) He denied knowledge of the unseen (Lk. 13:32, Matt. 24:36).

 (6) Was subject to change (Lk. 2:21, 52), but God is immutable.

 (7) Did not accept to be called good, and defered to God (Mk. 10:18).

 (8) Prayed to God (Mk. 14:32, Lk. 5:16).

 (9) Referred to himself as a prophet (Lk. 13:33-34).
     Others also called him a prophet (Lk.  7:16, 24:19, Jn. 6:14, 40, Heb. 3:1).
     Referred to a servant of God (Acts 3:13, 4:27, 30, Matt. 12:18).

(10) Made a distinction between himself and the father (Matt. 23:8-10).


     " Add on top of that, that Jesus (PBUH), never claimed to be God or divine
       in plain words.  For example; he never said; I'm God, or worship me. "

   For our friends out there, who will answer me back by saying : But he said :

 (1) I'm the way, the truth.
 (2) I and the father are one.
 (3) If you have seen me, you have seen the father.
 (4) Before Abraham, I am.
 (5) Accepted worship.
 (6) Was called son of God.
 (7) Called Messiah.
 (8) Called savior.
 (9) Called God "Father", or "Abba".
(10) Was called lord.
(11) Was filled with the holy spirit.
(12) Said that his words will not pass away.
(13) Said that all authority was given to him.
(14) Was called "My Lord, my God".
(15) Jews trid to stone him for blasphemy.

    Please check first the full meaning of the statements above, and also the 
possibilty of not taking them literally as they appear.  Again, I'm mentioning
those, because I still don't see that Jesus (PBUH), ever said "I am God", or
"worship me", in any version, in any traslation, of the Holy Bible.



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  P.S.  (PBUH) means : peace be upon him.