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From: jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Suh Jung Yul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.china (was Re: Roh visits china)
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:53:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:

>jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Suh Jung Yul) writes:
>>However, my main point is still
>>valid, I think. Perhaps, you have never read Soc.China.Culture long enough.

>It is a sad fact that you can always find 'bad apples' who will
>embark on imperialism at any opportunity. China is no exception.
>But I truly doubt the articles in soc.culture.china are any
>more nationalistic than those here. They do tend to be less
>polite and less coherent than the stuff here but there are also 
>alot more posters there, which means more people to feel offended and

If one has to assert one's nationalism by subjugating and oppressing other
ethnic group in the name of rescuing them from feudal yoke (that is what
some Chinese says, "liberating the Tibetans"), This is beyond the nationalism
as in "loving one's country".

>flame. 
> 
>From a historical point of view, China has been less imperialistic..
>(or maybe less successful at victimizing others) compared to Europeans
>or Japanese if anything. On the other hand there are some worrisome

Chinese expands by populating occupied land with Chinese. While this
cannot provide you with fast expansion, it is surest and irreversible.
If you add 30 million Chinese to 3 millon natives, natives will be a
minority in their homeland and eventually disappear by assimilation.
It is known that Chinese regime pressure Tibetan to marry Chinese,
brought in many Han-Chinese to Tibet, and relocates Tibetans neighboring
Chinese provinces. 

This kind of systematic policy is no different than what Japan tried to
do during their occupation.
And this policy can be effective basically to neighoring countries, of
which Korea is the one.


>The ultra-nationalists on soc.culture.china are probably the
>least of the worries.  

The point, however, is that they do seem to reflect the majority view of
Chinese in the net, which are probably best educated of Chinese.

>-han

-Suh
From: cyj9h@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Charles Y. Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Korean Films
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:47:46 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Does anybody here know of any interesting films by Koreans or about
Korean culture?

Thanks!

-charles



-- 
"What a morning!  Birds, fish, frogs, and humans!"
                                      -Maya the Bee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Visiting Korea
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 00:43:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <92283.193957HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET> <HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
>Amen to the suggestion to see the Secret Garden and Kyongbok Palace in
>Seoul, and also to see Kyongju in the south.  This old Silla-period
>capital is a must if you have time.

	I'm a bit surprised no one mentioned newly decorated
	Jeju-island; it would be the place I'll be staying
	during Winter if I have to choose one.

	Unless you are really interested in those old
	stuff and Korean history of art, I would rather suggest
	venture thru some night life in Seoul; then look for
	convenient places to stay; plus, Jeju-island for sight tour
	(even though it doesn't have much hitorical left-overs -
	you don't have to suffer from the cold temperature).
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: woman's fate?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:18:46 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <61129@mimsy.umd.edu> kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
>
>Please think twice before judging people as "those sorry human-being
>with ill mind" when you have no idea what they have gone through, and
>what they continue to go through.

	Yes, I agree on everything you said; and I don't want
	that to continue forever; and at least, I can never agree
	on the fact that Mother teaches her daughter to quit the job
	, live under the man's shadow forever, and even justifying
	her that that's the happiness for a woman - and I still think
	that's not right at all; plus, I was really disappointed that
	those comments were taken as granted.

	Some time before I came to U.S., I often felt some (?) husbands
	treat their wives like accessary - especially when they
	boast of their dictatorship at home.

	P.S: please don't call me SIR - I'm allergic to those.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung)
Subject: Visiting Korea
Keywords: tourism
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 05:46:02 GMT

I will be visiting Korea in December of this year.

Can anyone give me information on affordable accomadation in Pusan
and Seoul, such as YWCA, YMCA or youth hostels.  

Also, I am interested in information about cites and attractions.

Thank you, Teresa.
From: jin@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Xuegen Jin -Luzzi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Any Korean BookStore in Philadelphia?
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:00:18 GMT
Organization: LRSM, University of Pennsylvania

Hi, Dear netters:

	Can anybody tell me is there any Korean Book Store in

Philadelphia region? Please e-mail me. Thanks in advance.
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Women and T.V. Drama
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:09:10 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <81723@ut-emx.uucp> txwizard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (txwizard) writes:
>i met many korean women while i was at yonsei who were ambitious
>and eager to work.  the helpless and dependent housewives are
>everywhere not just in korea.

I think Ms. Yongmi Kim's point was what happens afterwards.  That is, after
they graduate.

>mike kim

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 22:56:05 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

>Any body who is non-white, after being immersed in western culture will
soon get to despise his own skin colour.

Racism in the States, if you think is serious, you are joking.

Go to other so-called "western" countries like australia and England.

The white pigs there virtually have no respect and tolerance for the black people.or other non-whites.They still think that Africans live on trees.
 
White police pigs can beat up black people on the street without hesitation and
for very minor reasons.

Not to mention that it is the white pigs from Europe who carted off
ship-loads of slaves from Africa . These slaves are lines up like Animals 
head to toe on each deck of the ship with absolutely no beathing
space. Few survive the journey to the states. And once they reach the states, they were auctioned off like merchandises.

The white pigs go with a Bible in one hand and a gun in another to our country
, cheat us of our gold and steal our people away. 
So much for Western culture, western culture suck shit.



	THAT'S WHAT DENNY WONG WROTE.  HEY , IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T
KNOW YOUR HISTORY!    EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET IS GUILTY OF SOME
SORT OF RACISM, ESPECIALLY KOREA.  IN KOREA, JAPANESE PEOPLE   ARE  HATED
IN  SOME PLACES.  THAT'S RIDICULOUS.   WE CAN'T GO ON LIVING  WITH  THE  PAST
IF  WE ARE  EVER  GOING TO HAVE PEACE  IN THIS WORLD!   WE ARE  ALL GUILTY,
SO DON'T PICK ON WESTERN CULTURES   AND  DON'T  SAY THEY  SUCK.   If  you  think
this place is so bad, try going back to Korea , I assume you're Korean, as a Korean-American.
You'll instantly be marked as an outsider because ,unless you grew up in Korea,   you  know
nothing about growing up in Korea.  I'm assuming , of course, that you were raised here.
Otherwise, you'd probably fit in.    But Korea can be just as bad as the U.S., try being a black
person in Korea someday.    Although I'm not black, I've seen the prejudice with my own eyes.
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:16 PDT
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Nf-ID: #R:netnews.upenn.edu:92211:cdp:1473700044:000:696
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Oct 13 07:16:00 1992


>In article <Oct09.225605.98314@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>>       THAT'S WHAT DENNY WONG WROTE.  HEY , IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T
>>KNOW YOUR HISTORY!    EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET IS GUILTY OF SOME
>>SORT OF RACISM, ESPECIALLY KOREA.  IN KOREA, JAPANESE PEOPLE   ARE  HATED
>>IN  SOME PLACES.  THAT'S RIDICULOUS.   WE CAN'T GO ON LIVING  WITH  THE  PAST
>>IF  WE ARE  EVER  GOING TO HAVE PEACE  IN THIS WORLD!   WE ARE  ALL GUILTY,
> 
>Mister, what do you know of living with the past?  
> 

Monsieur, quite aggressive, isn't it?

By the way: not to know about living in the past is bad, but still to live
in the past is worse.

Goetz
From: zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Japanese Koreans/ Koreans in Japan/info wanted
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:58:39 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.

>In article <1992Oct11.142733.19883@yang.earlham.edu>, peterp@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>> 
>>   I am writing a resurch(sp) project on Koreans in Japan/Japanese koreans
>> but I am have a difficult time getting any curent info on this particular(sp)
>> subject.  Basiclly I have only found a few articles, if any one has any info
>> that might be of help, I would greatly apreciate(sp) it.
>>   thanks P.
>>  

Another source of information is "The Occupation of Japan: Impact of
the Korean War" by the MacArthur Foundation during their 1986 symposium
at Norfolk, Virgina.  This document was produced by a series of Korean
and American academicians detailing the formation of the Korean community
and its related political struggle against the US Occupation forces
during the late-1940s to the mid-1950s.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:28:24 GMT

In article <Oct09.225605.98314@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>	THAT'S WHAT DENNY WONG WROTE.  HEY , IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T
>KNOW YOUR HISTORY!

If he is the grand master tong, then he does not know his history.  He grew
up somewhere else.

>EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET IS GUILTY OF SOME
>SORT OF RACISM, ESPECIALLY KOREA.  IN KOREA, JAPANESE PEOPLE   ARE  HATED
>IN  SOME PLACES.  THAT'S RIDICULOUS. 

If such prejudice comes from ignorance, that's ridiculous indeed.  If it
comes from exprience, it is not very ridiculous.  Would you think Rodney
King is ridiculous if he has some feelings about LADP?

>  WE CAN'T GO ON LIVING  WITH  THE  PAST
>IF  WE ARE  EVER  GOING TO HAVE PEACE  IN THIS WORLD!

That' what the court in CA tried, and there was a riot.

>this place is so bad, try going back to Korea , I assume you're Korean, as
>a Korean-American.

Actually, he is not.  There are many last names that are common to both
Chinese and Korean such as Han, Lee, Chang, etc.  Wong is not one of them.
There is Wang but not Wong.

>But Korea can be just as bad as the U.S., try being a black person in Korea
>someday.  Although I'm not black, I've seen the prejudice with my own eyes.

Agreed.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sepste1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Subject: re: korean films
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:23:53 GMT

There are several good Korean films which occasionally make it around to
film festivals in some of the larger markets or at universities. Among
those to keep an eye out for are "changgun.ui adul" (The General's Son);
"mandala" (Mandala); chilsu.wa mansu (Chilsu and Mansu--I think I've got
the names right; was it Ch'olsu?...); "mulleya mulleya" (Spinning Wheel,
Spinning Wheel); and "t'ik'et" (Ticket).  Pretty much anything directed by
Im Kwon-taek, as several of the above are, will be worth hunting down,
although I think that "The General's Son" is a truly fascinating, engaging
film which is just downright fun, while "Ticket", an overblown melodrama,
leaves a lot to be desired. All the above films are subtitled, by the way. 
If you're interested in ordering any of these, you can contact the Korean
Cultural Service in New York at (212) 759-9550.

Also, I'll be teaching a course on Modern Korean Literature and Society at
Swarthmore College in the spring semester.  If there are any students in
the Philadelphia area who are interested in taking the class, please
contact me via e-mail or at (215) 328-8372. I'll post more detailed info
about the class here in a few weeks.  I'd also be interested in hearing
from fellow translators of Korean literature.

Stephen Epstein 
Swarthmore
College
From: HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Visiting Korea
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:39:57 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University

Amen to the suggestion to see the Secret Garden and Kyongbok Palace in
Seoul, and also to see Kyongju in the south.  This old Silla-period
capital is a must if you have time.

Though it is one of those "built as a tourist attraction" kinds of places,
I also think the Korean Folk Village is definitely worth the trip.  It is
a very good recreation of various types of dwellings and other buildings, as
well as public areas, from various eras of Korean history.  What makes it
especially interesting is that the planners have taken care to include
structures from various parts of the country.  It is excellently done.

I don't know whether or not it is open in December, but it is worth
considering.

I could suggest lots of other things, but I have to dash . .. .


--JMA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: World Series, eh?!
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:38:06 GMT

Greetings to all you baseball fans out there!
Well, it looks like the Blue Jays are finally going to be in the
World Series this year. I say it's about time that the Jays got the
recognition and the respect they so deserve.
I just hope that the Jays go all the way and bring the World series crown to
Canada where the whole thing got started.
Go Jays!!

Henry E Chon
From: bae@helena.stat.uga.edu (Sejong Bae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: info wanted
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:46:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UGA Statistics Department

Hello! 
	Sorry to post personal request here!!!
I have a friend who immigrated to U.S around 10 years ago.
He did graduate high school in Korea and came to U.S..
After a decade he dicide to continue study at a college.
He got into a college near his home and study there but he
would like to find out whether he can go to a university over 
in korea (prefer Yeonsei University).
	If anyone know about the procedure on his transfering 
or starting over as a freshman on any university in Korean.
Please!  Mail me any information concerning above matter and 
it will be really appreciated.
	Once, again sorry to post personal matter here, and 
Thanks in advance. 

E-mail address
bae@helena.stat.uga.edu
bae@marie.stat.uge.edu
From: kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: woman's fate?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:04:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.61129
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Oct13.172234.17552@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>I know & everyone knows that female is not treated farely in
>some (?) circumstances in Korea; and as far as I'm concerned
>those comments by the actress do not imply those fairness stuffs
>; rather, thinking over my days in Korea, now I found this was
>pretty common mentality in Korean female, which I've never thought
>about before.
>
>I feel that unless this mentality of female changes, there'll
>be no equal treatment - this wouldn't come easy even they want it
>desperately but with this kind of attitue, no way.
>
>In addition, as a human-being, I can stop putting my sympathy on
>those sorry human-being with ill mind.


I hope you were joking, sir.
Haven't you perhaps considered that hundreds of years of unequal
treatment of women has helped shape the mentality you describe above?
Besides, I have found it tremendously difficult to live in Korea
without that mentality; not possessing such, and not willing to assume
such a mentality, I was considered quite freakish by relatives and
acquaintances both.  So I "voted with my feet" and opted out.

Many women in Korea do not have that choice.  I have friends who
were full of ambition and hope when they started college.  For them,
accepting a "woman's fate" was an act of resignation in a society that
has no room for women who want to make their own choices regarding
their lives.

Do you have any idea how hard it is for a woman in Korea to find a job
commensurate with her abilities and education?  And if she obtains one,
how difficult it is to keep the job, or be paid and promoted on an
equal footing to that of her male colleagues?  In addition, she will be
bombarded by the media, relatives, friends and acquaintances as to what
the "proper" path for a woman is, which is certainly not "depriving a
man and his family of a living" by her taking a job that should have
gone to some more deserving man.

Do you have any idea how women were treated during 500 years of
Confucian rule, and how this treatment still persists in modern Korean
society?  Do you, sir, have any idea of what it is like to be a Korean
woman in Korean society?

Please think twice before judging people as "those sorry human-being
with ill mind" when you have no idea what they have gone through, and
what they continue to go through.


yong-mi
kimy@cs.umd.edu
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Denny MWC Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: western culture suck shit!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:25:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

To: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Cc: 
Bcc: 

I have some questions about the difference between U.S. culture and
western culture.

If Western culture is what  Dwight admires, then , let me say that western
culture is not all that glamorous.

Western culture has this underlying notion of white supremacy .
There are words in English like "Black Sheep, black-mail"

Even Jesus, the son of God is perceived to be white.

Any body who is non-white, after being immersed in western culture will
soon get to despise his own skin colour.

Racism in the States, if you think is serious, you are joking.

Go to other so-called "western" countries like australia and England.

The white pigs there virtually have no respect and tolerance for the black people.or other non-whites.They still think that Africans live on trees.
 
White police pigs can beat up black people on the street without hesitation and
for very minor reasons.

Not to mention that it is the white pigs from Europe who carted off
ship-loads of slaves from Africa . These slaves are lines up like Animals 
head to toe on each deck of the ship with absolutely no beathing
space. Few survive the journey to the states. And once they reach the states, they were auctioned off like merchandises.

The white pigs go with a Bible in one hand and a gun in another to our country
, cheat us of our gold and steal our people away. 
So much for Western culture, western culture suck shit.

I propose that western culture is evil and should be eradicated from this
world; it promotes racial hatred, white supremacy(false white supremacy),
and slavery.

I can cite so many cases of the de-humanising deeds these white
westerners did to the people of Africa, and which is still going
on to some extent in some European countries.

And you, Dwight Joe, be ashamed that you posses this sickness.

Den./

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From:  (Youji Hajime)
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:07:08 GMT

In article <92211@netnews.upenn.edu>, dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Denny MWC Wong) writes:

> If Western culture is what  Dwight admires, then , let me say that western
> culture is not all that glamorous.
(Part deleted)
> Western culture has this underlying notion of white supremacy .

The reason Western culture has underlying notion of white supremacy is because 
it is regarded as glamorous. And the reasons it is glamorous is nothing other 
than its culture generated from its power and wealth. This power and wealth 
comes from no other than exploitation of others. Therefore, my conclusion is
that more pigs you are, you are more superior and glamorous.

> Go to other so-called "western" countries like australia and England.
> The white pigs there virtually have no respect and tolerance for the black people.or other non-whites.They still think that Africans live on trees.

Ahh, since I'm in australia, I must correct his mistake. First, If you are Black
from America, you get lot of privilage. Why? You would never have trouble 
finding your bed partner since Aus girls, "in general", love to have sex with
blacks. But if you are Aboriginies, no one don't care much.
 
> I propose that western culture is evil and should be eradicated from this
> world; it promotes racial hatred, white supremacy(false white supremacy),
> and slavery.

If western culture is eradicated, someone else(probably Japanese) would take
over her role. What the core problem is not western culture but the whole world
structure where the rich and powerful are worshiped. Aren't Koreans proud of 
its economic success comparing to other less developed nations?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jkchan@lynx.cat.syr.edu (J. K. Chan)
Subject: Rent in San Fran
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 23:51:44 EDT


I am going to move to San Fran., CA in a month or so.  Could someone
tell me which area is comparatively safe and inexpensive to live over there?  
Especially in or near Hercules which is northeast to Richmond.
Any advice or suggestion is appreciated.
  
Please send email to the above address.
Thanks.
-Jim