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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:04:32 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Belize City

First, if my message in reply to kjf's posting sounded harsh, I didn't mean it
that way.  :-)

When I was in Belize last June, many people were decrying the proliferation of
cable TV across the tiny nation.  Apparently, it just got there a short time
ago and, since that time, some local movie houses have shut down and there has
been a general loss of community as more people spend their time indoors.

Belize City has never been an especially pleasant town and has had its share of
crime as long as anyone can remember.  Some time ago, however, Colors (which
starred Robert Duvall, Sean Penn, and Maria Conchita Alonzo) turned up on HBO
or Showtime or whatever it is they get down there.  The movie, which was
released around 1986, was a gritty drama about LAPD officers who were assigned
to the anti-gang unit.  Though I do not think the movie glorified gangs or
the criminal lifestyle, it touched off a series of shootings and protests when
it was shown in L.A.  Anyway, when the movie was shown in Belize, the toughs
who were already there apparently identified with its criminal characters.
Gang-style graffitti started to appear, and conflicts among the different
groups changed from West Side Story fist-&-knives type dealings to urban style
semi- and full automatic gun shootouts.

As far as turning in your tickets goes, who goes to Belize to stay in Belize
City, anyway?  That's like going to L.A. & staying in Compton.  When I was
down there, I had no trouble at all and will return at the earliest opportun-
ity.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

                                                Hungrily yours,
                                                                Alex
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 07:59:55 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Reference Guides, cheap

Someone on the list (Jeff Clark?) has mentioned a reference book to
check questions on movies.  What are the favorites out there?  I just
got a second-hand copy of Halliwell's, and it seems useful, but there
are several big fat ones out there.  I've seen one massive one with
some bland title like _Film Guide_, around $20, seems a bargain.  But
I'd like to buy one *good* one instead of three okay ones, if possible.

____________________________________________________________________________
Rick Francis        |  The originals are not original.  There is imitation,
C47805NF@WUVMD      |  model and suggestion, to the very archangels, if we
Dep't of Comp. Lit. |  knew their history.  The first book tyrannizes over
Box 1107            |  second. . . . Paradise Lost has never existed but for
Washington Univ.    |  its precursors.
St. Louis, MO       |                   -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
63130               |
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:01:50 EST
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: HOW THINGS ARE

I agree with Anita, I have to admit that for quite awhile, I learned
my European history from Hollywood.  I still think of Kate Hepburn
whenever I here a reference to Mary, Queen of Scots.

And I remember a scene from the movie "Talk of the Town"  (Cary Grant,
and Jean Arthur) of the judge's study and have wanted one ever since.

--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:34:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      _Horror Film Directors 1931-1990_

I found a marvelous book entitled _Horror Film
Directors 1931-1990_ by Dennis Fisher, published by McFarland & Co,
ISBN 0-89950-609-7.  The book has 750 pages of articles on major
directors such as Tod Browning, David Cronenberg, Roman Polanski,
James Whale, etc.  Another hundred pages are devoted to short
articles about "The Hopeless and the Hopeful: Promising Directors,
Obscurities, and Horror Hacks".  Here Fisher deals with Jesus Franco,
Herschell Gordon Lewis, Sam Raimi, even Ed Wood.  There's an appendix
of "Classic Horror Films by Non-Horror Directors", a twenty page
annotated bibliography, and an index of film titles.

Fisher has done his research, and he admits he hasn't seen a particular
film just often enough to convince you he has seen all the others he
writes about.  Most articles include photographs of the directors,
often taken on set.  Some of the directors Fisher interviews himself.
Major films and even a lot of the minor ones get detailed plot summaries.
I found myself agreeing with Fisher on nearly all the films I have seen,
enough so to make me believe I would probably agree with his judgements
on the films I haven't seen.  [Although he is more generous concerning
Dario Argento's plotting skills than I would be. 8-)]

All in all, it is a marvelous book that I highly recommend to anyone
who is interested in horror films.  I found it in a used book store
that does sell some new books, albeit mostly comic books and graphic novels,
but in absolutely mint condition and no indicated price.  After
glancing through it, I was prepared to easily pay $30 for it and had
grave difficulty keeping a straight face when the clerk said, "Gee,
I don't know how much this is.  How about $6?"  When I got it home,
I found that perhaps it had been used after all.  One of the director's
photograph was signed.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Subject: REGIONAL MOVIES
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:46:37 GMT
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I  would like some comments. I have heard that the studio that made
My Blue Heaven did not want to release any trailers because somehow the
movie got pegged as a flop even before it came out. The idea was that if
there were no previews, it would not flop before it even started. I may
be wrong on this , so I would like to hear from you. Some people have
said to me that movies such as My Blue Heaven and My Cousin Vinny would
only be very popular in the northeast because of the high level of Mafia
activity and ethnic density. Is this true? I live in Rhode Island.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:59:23 EST
From:         "E. Susan Stonehill" <ZKTKB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Aladdin
              20 Nov 1992 03:03:30 GMT from <torsten@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>

    I got to the preview - living in New York has it's advantages! - and
 loved it!  The animation is wonderful.  Robin Williams dominates the
 movie - he's made it into his own, and a departure from the traditional
 animated Disney because of that.
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From: EBERLEHB@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU (NAME "Helen Eberle")
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Subject: Re: REGIONAL MOVIES
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:15:00 GMT
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I am from St. Louis, MO.  I loved My Blue Heaven.  I thought Steve Martin
was great and loved Rick M(sorry, can't remember the rest).  My Cousin Vinny
did not impress me.  I do not think region so much as story, acting, and
directing played a part in my lack of enthusiasm.  My Cousin Vinny could
have been done in one cute funny little  1/2 hour or hour tv movie, with plenty
 of commercial breaks.

My Humble Opinion
Helen
Eberlehb@sluava.edu
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:19:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Michelle's answers

Were these explanations offered by Coppola's Dracula, or
Bram Stoker's book? I thought the movie was confusing. My
having seen the Nosferatu films helped me understand the
film. But for those unfamiliar with either the book or past
films, Coppola's version would be a choppy, incoherent one.
Sure, the movie looks great, but the story is too weak to
carry us along. As for the acting, only Oldman's performance
is interesting. Coppola offers nothing original except perhaps
Oldman's beehive hairdo. For the most part, he borrows shamelessly
from Kurosawa, Murnau, and himself. The crosscutting between Meena's
wedding and the violent attack on Lucy are right out of the Godfather
movies.
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Subject: more from the satelite of love
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:46:07 GMT
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This might or might not be of interest to you all,
here goes anyway.

On a whim I wrote to the Mystery Science Theater Info club.
I didn't really expect anything in return;  however, I was
pleasently surprised yesterday to find a MST 3K Newsletter in
my mailbox.  Pretty funny stuff, talking about bitter defeat
at the Ace awards (comedy's "best").  Anyway, if anybody wants
to read more about it, drop me an e-mail.

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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Subject: Laserdiscs
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:12:00 GMT
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Jeff, et al.

      The other day there was some discussion of favorite old-
er films on laserdisc.  I would like to ask if anyone has any films
to suggest (what with Christmas coming up and all), and also,
incidentally, how many people on this list have laser players?

      I want to recommend a few myself:

THE CROWD (King Vidor) and THE WIND (Victor Seastrom) (both
1928), packaged together on two discs.  Very disturbing films
which belie the usual silent-ergo-comedy assumption.

THE CAMERAMAN (1928) and SPITE MARRIAGE (1929), by Buster Kea-
ton, also packaged as one.

THE GENERAL (1927), OUR HOSPITALITY (1923), STEAMBOAT BILL JR.
(1928), all by Keaton.

THE LIFE AND DEATH OF COLONEL BLIMP (1943), 49TH PARALLEL
(1941), BLACK NARCISSUS (1947), by Michael Powell and Emeric
Pressburger, all from Criterion, with commentary on the second
audio tracks.

THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER (1941), with much missing footage
added from a rediscovered 16mm print; from Criterion, with com-
mentary.

REBECCA (1940), Criterion with commentary.

CAT PEOPLE (1942), CURSE OF THE CAT PEOPLE (1944), I WALKED WITH
A ZOMBIE (1943), three of the best Val Lewton psychological hor-
ror films, two of them directed by Jacques Tourneur, who also
directed:

CURSE OF THE DEMON (1958), currently out of production but
should be available again soon.

KIND HEARTS AND CORONETS (1949)  and THE CAPTAIN'S PARADISE
(1953), two Ealing comedies starring Alec Guinness, packaged as
one.

THE LAVENDER HILL MOB and THE MAN IN THE WHITE SUIT (both 1951),
ditto.

SCARAMOUCHE (1952), by George Sidney; best of the swashbuck-
lers.


Jim Thompson
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:04:22 EST
From:         Scott Huddle <grass@CHAOS.ENTO.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Laserdiscs

There are very few movies that I'd like to own (I don't watch many things
more than once), but one in particular I'd like to find on disc is
_His Girl Friday_.   This is a fantastically fast, funny movie with
Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell, and I laugh every time I see it.
(How many comedies are that good, OK, how many 20 year old comedies are
that good, 30, 40, .. the movie was made in 1940.)

The disc catalogs that I've looked through before have never had it,
does anyone know if its available?

-scott

PS LaserDiscs sell at different price levels, most things around $30,
extra-special releases, extended-format recording (CAV vs CLV), longer
films, may sell for up to $100.

(I believe the CAV, "collectors edition" version of _Terminator 2_ sold
for $100, for example)
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:14:07 +0100
From:         "BERT DEIVERT - FILM - UNIV. OF KARLSTAD,
              SWEDEN" <bert@KSTAD2.SUNET.SE>
Subject:      Re: Laserdiscs

Thanks for the tips from several of you on laser discs. I will look
out for the Criterion ones, since they seem to be the best value.
By the way, Swedes don't say hi they say HEJ (pronounced hey).
Bert
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Subject: RE: PA

"...tumbleeweeds are tumbleweeds, not matter which state they're in."

In some states, tumbleweeds are pets and require a municipal license.

Ellen
(current Pa. resident)
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:33:00 EST
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Help!

> DC Comics published a Prisioner graphic novel a few years ago.  I believe ther
> is a fairly new reference source in print.  I would ask people at Science
> Fiction conventions, and there might even be a newsgroup out there.

The newsgroup is called alt.tv.prisoner.  It's worth checking out if
you're interested in the subject.

Best,
Peter

> Torsten at Omaha
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:20:44 EDT
From:         Patrick <CX935C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Detective parody films
              14 Nov 1992 08:21:20 CST from <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>

How about all of the Pink Panther movies? They are definite parodies. Peter
Sellers was a hell of a funny guy. Great Funny movies!!
                                                       Patrick
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:52:08 GMT
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Regional Movies

>From: FISHERKJ <FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET>
>
>>I don't know... I can't see anyone making a major movie when they know that
>>it'll only appeal to a small regional audience.
>
>Hasn't Woody Allen made a career out of that? If not exactly
>regional, his films are certainly aimed at a limited return
>from a metropolitan audience.

Point taken. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "metropolitan
audience".

However, I don't think that Woody's audience, relatively small though
it certainly is, is limited by any sort of geographical constraints.
His style, his body of previous work, his philosophy; all these
things contribute more to limiting the appeal of his movies, I
think.
                        Liam.
                        ====-

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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:44:23 PST
From:         "S. Helms" <soerenh@IMV.AAU.DK>
Subject:      Re: Miller's Crossing

>     I have to agree with Joe.  I found Millers Crossing to be a real
>bore.  Both my wife and I dozed off while watching it.  Maybe I expected
>too much also, I was expecting something on the order of Goodfellas and
>the pace of Millers Crossing was definintely SLOW.
>
>Steve Rife
>(STEV@MCO)

        Hi !
I simply can't understand how anybody could find this brilliant folm a bore
!!!!!
It is a wonderful story, a tricky plot and some very good acting. It is a
masterpiece and a mile stone in the genre of mob/gangster movies.
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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: The Lawnmower Man
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:34:11 GMT

In article <CINEMA-L%92111915064047@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET writes:
>Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:31:00 EST
>From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
>Subject:      The Lawnmower Man

>Last night I watched the "unrated director's cut" videotape of _The Lawnmower
>Man_ which I had previously seen during it's first theatre run.  Now that
>first theatre run was a while ago, so it could just be my fading memory,
>but I think I remember the scientist's wife leaving him fairly early in
>the movie while she doesn't run off in the videotape version.  Can anyone
>who saw the original cut in the theatre confirm or refute my memory?

I saw the movie on video several times and the scientist's wife leaves him 
early in the movie.  I live in Canada so our version should be the same as 
yours.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:05:08 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Verhoeven/Hauer/early work

Carol,

If what you say is true, and Paul Verhoeven's take on the Sharon Stone
character is that (metaphorically?) she's the devil, then my equivocal-leaning
-toward-derogatory feelings about the film tend to be confirmed. That's just
a dopey piece of gloss for a film that has at least one foot in the meretric-
ious, because of its pretensions.  When confronted with gay righters threaten-
ing to expose the ending, Verhoeven said he could change it with a single
cut.  I assume he refers to the final shot where, descending from Stone and
Douglas' lovemaking bed, the shot goes dark... then lights up showing the
icepick.  Remove the icepick, and Stone's not the imputed killer.  Of course,
there's a third possibility I thought of as I watched the film a second time
--they're both killers, her and Douglas' psychiatrist ex-girlfriend. That would
make as much sense as anything else, given the way the film uses every simple
trick of editing, plot contrivance and puzzle-construction-without-regard-for-
plausibility it can get its sprockets on.  The result may be fun once, but
it has no depth and seems to pretend it does.  The only reason I can fathom
that the studios paid so much for Esterhas' script, is not for intrinsic worth
they saw in it, but for the dynamite boxoffice package it would make combined
with the right set of talent.  --Before, I've harped on factors like plausi-
bility and realism (in the mundane) sense being factors that shouldn't figure
in an evaluation of every film, but here Basic Instinct needs it--because it
pretends (I think) to be profound about psychological and behavioral matters.
Yet it hinges on simple plots twists, managed by a director who could feel
free about changing an ending with a cut and who apparently(?) is willing (in
rapidly inflating self-justification?) to consider his "herione" as a grand
religious symbol. --C'mon, Paul, you ain't bein' provocative here, just dopey;
clear your head and get on to the next film and back on track!  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:07:29 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Verhoeven/Hauer/early work

Okay, I missed one thing in that last tirade of mine.  Carol reported Mr.
V's comment in such a way that maybe he means the Stone/devil bit literally.
In which case, maybe, he's now re-thinking his meretricious film as some
kind of fantasy.  --Apart from that, my judgment still holds.  JC
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:11:08 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject: Re: The Lawnmower Man

I did see the theatrical cut of the Lawnmower Man.  My husband wanted
to see it for the computerized special effects, we weren't expecting
much from the plot.

Since, these messages have talked about the unrated cut, we are curious.
If I ever, see the unrated one, I try to write a comparison in this
discussion group.

Carol Doms
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:32:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Dracula twice

I saw Dracula again and my feelings haven't changed. It's an
overproduced, incoherent, badly acted film. For those who've seen
it, will someone please try to explain the ff. - Why did Dracula
buy all those properties in London? What motivates him to turn into
an old man, a young man, a wolf, a monster? The movie shows one of
Lucy's suitors, who's a junkie, shooting up but doesn't bring it up
again the rest of the film. During the blood transfusions between
Lucy and her suitors, wasn't there a risk of being infected? And
what is this thing called Keanu Reeves?
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:02:00 CST
From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stephen King books/movies

I think The Dark Half was being filmed in Pittsburgh back in 90.  My
second cousin (or something like that) was designing the contacts
Timothy Hutton wears in the film.

> Recent comments about THE DEAD ZONE reminded me about another
> Stephen King book that I heard was going to be made into a
> movie starring Timothy Hutton:  THE DARK HALF (or something
> like that).  I loved the book.  Does anyone know anything
> about the movie version?
>
> --Anjani
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Subject: bye
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:56:52 GMT
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Ellen--

Send a note to listserv@auvm saying unsub yourname.  Or use
signoff yourname.  I don't know who the listowner is though.
Good luck and bye!

Susan
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