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From: cwilson@gssec.bt.co.uk (Colin Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:27:28 GMT
Organization: BT

In article <CC.92Nov13115602@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
|> I think "Lallans" is generally taken to mean the artificial Scots used by
|> Hugh MacDiarmid.  Also, one of the heaviest influences on Scots has been from
|> French, from the centuries of French domination of Scotland.
|> --
|> 	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

The term "Lallans" is one that means different things to different people. It
first came into use in the 18th. century as a euphemism for Scots, just as
the term "North Britain" was used as a euphemism for Scotland. People's
enthusiasm for living up to the ideals of the "union" with England led people
to try and deny their identity as Scots.

The language in which Hugh MacDiarmid wrote was in no sense artificial.
This misunderstanding has arisen because of the connotations that the
word "synthetic" acquired during the Second World War. In the 1920s,
when MacDiarmid began to write in Scots, there had been no standard form
of the language for many years, due to loss of official status for the
language when political power shifted to London. The language existed
as a variety of regional dialects, which MacDiarmid studied, and out of
which he attempted to create a "synthetic" Scots, which a standard
Scots might have resembled had it continued to exist. In the literal
sense of the word, a "synthesis" is a bringing together of things that
previously were separate: in no sense is it the creation of anything
artificial. MacDiarmid wrote in a Scots that combined elements from a
variety of vernacular dialects.

During World War 2, the word "synthetic" was used (or mis-used) to
describe something artificial. For instance, when real coffee could not
be obtained, something that tasted like coffee, but which was not
coffee at all, would be described as "synthetic coffee". So it came
about that people have come to misunderstand the meaning of the word,
and MacDiarmid's use of the term "synthetic Scots". Esperanto is an
example of an artificial language, but MacDiarmid's Scots most
certainly is not.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Subject: Re: Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?
Originator: andyw@aspen32
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:25:40 CST


In article <1e2245INNol7@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> And I'm in favour of extracting single sentences out of context
> and responding to them with an Olympian "but".

Which you excel at, usually disguised as the almost legendary ".. which
may be true, but it misses the point entirely", which is almost your
trademark..

How does sgi return a profit, one wonders ?
-- 
andyw.	N0REN/G1XRL

andyw@aspen.cray.com	Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc.	(612) 683-5835
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From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Britain doesn't have a Constitution (Re: An astonishing Guy)
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:09:12 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1992Nov8.190840.10888@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.170011.9982@vax.oxford.ac.uk> daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>But the UK will have a written Constituion if Maastricht is ever ratified :-(
>
>Why?  Where in the Maastricht treaty does it state how Britain is to be
>governed?
>
Well the version I waded through didn't. Source ST format cover disk, word processor tester for the use of. Nope my WP hasn't got a built in turgidity 
tester.

 Trev
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:03:21 GMT

In article <6079@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) writes:
>
>There's no problem with a member of the Lords being PM - but it would
>greatly pissoff the other parties as they could not have a PM Questions
>session (but this is a very recent innovation anyway, parliament managed for
>years without expecting the PM to give reasonably accurate answers to random
>questions of the top of his/her head.) 

That's not how Question Time works!  Ministers have notice of the
questions well in advance, althoug they don't have notice of the
supplementaries.  Usually more of civil servants' time goes into
anticipating possible supplementaries and drafting putative replies
than into answering the original question (which is often
straightforward and factual).

--
Guy Barry, University of Cambridge | Phone: +44 (0)223 334757 
Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street  | JANET: Guy.Barry@uk.ac.cam.cl 
Cambridge CB2 3QG, England, UK     | Internet: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: What's the current  US dollar/UK pound exchange rate
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:11:35 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1ee7lhINN88i@agate.berkeley.edu> sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell) writes:
>
>Subject says it all...last I heard it was $1.9 to the UK pound...
>
>Thanks!
>--

About $1.51 .... tempora mutantis
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: fish and chips
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:05:29 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <28525@castle.ed.ac.uk> wex@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler) writes:
> get a choice of fish when you buy fish and chips.  If you don't get a
> choice, then the fish will generally be haddock, or possibly cod.  If

Cod is the default in the midlands.  Places which offer an alternative
will offer haddock.   The third option is plaice.  My local also does
whatever was good at the market --- halibut, trout (bizarre in batter)
and all sort of things have been offered.  But that's the best chippie
in South Birmingham (a full-time queue exists outside).

ian
From: chee1a1@Rosie.UH.EDU (Subash S Jayawardena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: RE: Imagine
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:36:38 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: chee1a1@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

In article <1992Nov18.160501.16097@sunova.ssc.gov>, (Soundranayagam) writes:

.
.
.
>
>Establish a federal state cosisting north and east. State constitution
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>should guarantee fair representation of Tamils, Singhalese and Muslims in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the state assembly. Inter racial problem including descrimination in any
>part of the country be refered to committee of religous and comminity
>leaders for their reccommendation.  Sure, a lot of details need to be
>worked out to the satisfaction of all.
.
.
.


Was there a person by the name of Doreiappa? (Pardon me, if I spelled
it wrong.) I think he was a Mayor.

Does it ring a bell?

On a second thought, do any of you think that the minorities in this country
(USA) would have been better off today, if they kept themselves segregated
in the political process.

How can you expect a "fair representation", when you select parliament after
parliament, most of the members going into the opposition. Well, atleast it
was the case after sixties.

IMHO, UNP was not that pro-sinhalese, compared to the SLFP.

Don't forget, most of our politicians think that the duty of the opposition is
to oppose everything the ruling party does!!!!!

Subash

________________________________________________________________________________

Subash S Jayawardena

Subash@uh.edu
(713)-743-4338
________________________________________________________________________________
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:09:24 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Let me suggest this:



Now, it should be clear to any sane man/woman hailing from Sri Lanka that the 
two societies simply cannot exist together as was in the past(from 1947
to 1983). The status quo didn't work. And will not work in the future.
As much as the Sinhalase don't like to see the country seperated most
Tamils in a similar 
fashion do not want a return to Sinhalase rule. This is the reality no
matter what ever the outcome of this war.

There can be only one way out of this. The British created this
artificial unity. Currently, we are seeing in India the side effects of
the same 'unity,' another product of colonialism. 'India' is more like a
misnomer in name when it comes to the numerous ethnic and linguistic
groups with more diversity than in the Eurpean countries forming
European Common Market.  Similarly, we the Tamils and Sinhalase have too
many differences that overshadow the common traits we share. The normal
ties through trade and other activities that kept peace between us were
lost during colonialism. This war is here because too many have
forgetten the past while. Then again, even the what little past studied
by the people is distorted to to serve the power-interests of the few. 

At this point Sri Lanka should divide officially. There will be Lanka
and Eelam.
Since Sinhalase are the majority on the island, Sri Lanka can still
refer to the whole island. Politically seperate, both states can be
linked 'socially' as was in the past. They could have an economic common
market with a common currency. 
There will be free trade and free flow of people and ideas. I don't see
why this arrangement wan't work. If innocent people are to stop dying,
then the leaders from both sides should work out the technicalities
involved in formal seperation. Trade and other treaties concerning the
previous obligations will follow afterwards. The sooner the better...for
the people caught in middle of the cross fire. Only the few who have the
most to lose after peace are prolonging the war. 

-suresh
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Let me suggest this:
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:15:28 GMT

Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Now, it should be clear to any sane man/woman hailing from Sri Lanka 
> that the two societies simply cannot exist together as was in the 
> past(from 1947 to 1983).... 

> Similarly, we the Tamils and Sinhalase have too
> many differences that overshadow the common traits we share.... 
 
> At this point Sri Lanka should divide officially. There will be Lanka
> and Eelam.  Since Sinhalase are the majority on the island, Sri Lanka
> can still refer to the whole island. Politically seperate, both states
> can be linked 'socially' as was in the past.....

I have couple of thoughts here.  Intention of this note is to address 
the issues.  This is not necessarily addressed to the original poster.

In the note it is said that 'two societies cannot exist together'. If
these societies are grouped along their language, all Muslims must be
accommodated in the Northern and Eastern  parts of the island.  Would
it be possible?  Not to forget the people in the Central province too.

If all Tamil speaking people are  going to live in North - East, what
kind of 'harmony' one could expect among the the religious groups? In
my opinion, in North-East, it is beyond any possible repair.

Now the basic question.  How  many different  societies  exist in Sri 
Lanka?  

Vicky:
UMass, Nov 22
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.tamil
From: 2067bh@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (American Tiger killers)
Subject: Reply to chicken Permumal
Organization: American Tiger killers 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:44:58 GMT


Dear Mr. Chicken Ille Perumal

From:	GMUVAX::WINS%"<rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>"  8-NOV-1992 14:25:09.97
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes

*You are a sick little bastard who needs professional help desperately.
*You're born to disgrace every one: Sinhalase, Tamils and Moslems. 

*Like a voulture feeding on dead carion, you are constantly feeing on communal
*feelings. You'r are inciting  ethnic hatred while being in a foreign country!

*I strongly believe that you should be forbidden to enter Sri Lanka for
*the rest 
*of your life time. The island can do better without sick 'voultures' like you.
*I hope that you're already on the 'black list.'

*I'm sorry for using such harsh language. But, I cannot express my
*disgust better
*in a better way.

Amma ok Perumal
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: SL Bill of Rights
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:13:36 GMT
	<1epdcgINNk3j@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>>....Forget the bloody monks!

>>I DO NOT tolerate refering to Buddhist clergy "bloody monks".

So, you found it rather offensive? Why? For all the wonderful
contributions they
have made to the current situation, they are (quite a few of them) blood
stained. If they had kept their noses out of virulent anti-Tamil
politics, then my statement would be insulting. Even now, they are't
being exactly 'passive.'
Then, again you must one of those Budhist Sinhalase those monks want to
protect so much in the darn hostile world- surrounded by millions(monks
add our 'kin' from TN) of Hindu Tamils who(really have nothing else to
do) are bent on destroying Budhism. And alas, we've got save our Budhist
land from the murderous Tamils.

Don't force me to quote monks from 83-87 periods. I don't think you want
further
embarrassment!

-suresh
From: 2067bh@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( )
Subject: Mr.confused Thambi
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:59:59 GMT

In article <kf1OsWu00iUyE4bGsa@andrew.cmu.edu>, Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> This forum has become too confusing for me. Maybe, we(Eelam Tamils) are 
little
|> different from the Tamil Nadu Tamils. So much for the 'brother' talk.

WE LEARNED OUR TAMIL FROM TAMIL NADU TAMILS
BUT WE ARE PURE.

NOW WE LEARN ENGLISH
AND WE WILL BE PURE ENGLISH

|> 
|.................|> 
|> thambi 
|> 
|First, Thambi admitted that he was confused about gmvax
       then about traitor-tamils
        and about non-Jaffna tamils
        and about tamil-nadu tamils

  Then he admitted that he was confused about soc.culture.sri-lanka
   and  ......................................soc.culture tamil



Way to go Thambi!!  Keep up the good work

AMMA OK Thambi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.tamil
From: 2067bh@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( )
Subject: It is true 
Organization: GMU 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:11:41 GMT

It is true that the 
LTTE Tamils are mostly Christians, 
High Cast Tamils are Hindus and 
The Sinhalese are mostly Buddists. 
This is the reason why you cannot FIND ANY HIGH CAST HINDUS IN JAFFNA.
ALL OF THEM SENT TO EELAM VIA EELAM POSTS BY LTTE TERRORISTS
There are some Hindus BLINDLY Following LTTE without knowing
about real LTTE motivations.

And let me add, that the
Undercover LTTE TERRORISTS are working as priests in Jaffna Church
This is not what Great JESUS PREACHED.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From:  (Soundranayagam)
Subject: RE: RE: Imagine
Followup-To: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Organization: SSC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:01:09 GMT

>Was there a person by the name of Doreiappa? (Pardon me, if I spelled
>it wrong.) I think he was a Mayor.

>Does it ring a bell?


I do not understand the point Subash makes about Thuraiappa.


>On a second thought, do any of you think that the minorities in this country
>(USA) would have been better off today, if they kept themselves segregated
>in the political process.

I do not think that it is correct to compare the United States and Sri
Lanka. The USA has a highly decentralized system: Federeal government,
State governments, County governments, City governments etc.  Los Angeles
riot did not engulf the whole nation into turmoil.  It was confined to a
local region, even though there was a potential threat of spilling over to
major cities with similar problems.

In Sri Lanka, a minor dispute between a Tamil or Muslim and a Singhalese in
Colombo can become a riot in the capital and quickly spread everywhere. 
For the most part the north and east will remain quiet, untill the
government declare curfew and unleash the Sri Lankan (Singhalese) army. 
After that Tamils are not safe in any part of the country, including their
own home, I mean really home built with four walls, not the north or east.

Federelism is not segregation; decentralization of government, including
the police. The security forces (army, navy and airforce) stationed in the
north and east should reflect the make up of the local population.

Sri Lanka never had a national party or national leaders. They were all
either Singhala or Tamil or Muslim parties.  By constitution, Sri Lanka is
a Budhist country and only a Budhist can become a national leader.  Well,
if he or she call himself a Budhist Sri Lankan, then he or she cannot be
national leader. What I mean by all these is that elimination of cultures
other than Singhala Budhist is written in the constitution.

>How can you expect a "fair representation", when you select parliament after
>parliament, most of the members going into the opposition. Well, atleast it
>was the case after sixties.

>IMHO, UNP was not that pro-sinhalese, compared to the SLFP.

>Don't forget, most of our politicians think that the duty of the opposition >is
>to oppose everything the ruling party does!!!!!

>Subash
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah)
Subject: Re: The future
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:45:09 GMT

In article <9279@arccs1.fed.FRB.GOV> m1pkd00@fed.frb.gov (Prasad K. Dharmasena) writes:
>
>Ranjan S Muttiah <muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu!muttiah> said:
>
>> This stupid shit about spending a big chunk of money
>> when there's not enough food to feed people is an outrage.  I can think of 
>> people dying of diseases, but because of political human "insects" ?  That's 
>> un "imaginable".
>
>Which reminds me ...
>
>Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired 
>signifies in the finals sense, a theft from those who hunger and are 
>not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.  This world in arms 
>is not spending money alone.  It is spending the sweat of its laboreres, 
>the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.  This is not 
>a way of life at all in any true sense.  Under the clouds of war, it is
>humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
>                -- Dwight Eisenhower, April 16, 1953

Gee, thanks.  I knew that somebody must have plagiarized and used almost 
the same words that I did! :-).  However, I was thinking very, very
specifically about Sri Lanka.  The latest tragedy is that the sick of
Jaffna have to be taken by bullock carts for 7 miles to the nearest
functional hospital in case of emergencies.  Could you imagine that these 
half ass and $%%^ed up politicians could denigrate people to such levels
(it doesn't matter if that be Tamil, Sinhalese, or Muslims -- I tend to think
of the latter as the most patriotic of the three!).
From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: The future
Date: 16 Nov 1992 05:08:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu


Lets hope that this starts a real discussion.
I am not ruling out democracy in thefuture
but I think its not workable as is.
It would also be difficult to implement
any significant changes to the current situation.
A military coup might be the way to go.


Vasee
From:  (Soundranayagam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: RE: Imagine
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:05:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunova.1992Nov18.160501.16097
Followup-To: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Organization: SSC

>Imagine there's no LTTE
>It's easy if you try
>No killings at all
>So the army has no work
>Imagine all the races
>Sharing North 'n East

>Imagine there's no violence
>It isn't hard to do
>No shooting or axing
>No Prabhakaran too
>Imagine all the races
>Sharing North 'n East

>You may say I'm a dreamer
>But I'm not the only one
>I hope someday you'll join us
>and SL will stay united

>Imagine no mass killing
>I wonder if you can
>No need for fighting
>'cause LTTE's dead
>Imagine all the races
>Sharing North 'n East

Imagine Singhala Budhist Sri Lanka!!!!!!!!!

Tamils and Muslims suffered in the hands of Singhalese and Sri Lankan army
before LTTE.  After LTTE you are also suffering.  So you wish the LTTE
would disappear and the Sri Lankan government can continue to colonize
north and east with singhalese.

The Singhalese politicians and the Budhist clergymen could not imagine of a
nation of Singhalese, Tamils, Muslims, Christians, Catholics etc. before
the LTTE.  Even now they don't.  They still want a Singhala Budhist Sri
Lanka and are trying hard to eliminate the LTTE and then the rest of us.

Establish a federal state cosisting north and east. State constitution
should guarantee fair representation of Tamils, Singhalese and Muslims in
the state assembly. Inter racial problem including descrimination in any
part of the country be refered to committee of religous and comminity
leaders for their reccommendation.  Sure, a lot of details need to be
worked out to the satisfaction of all.

Prove to me that my perception about the Singhalese politicians and the
Budhist clergymen is wrong.

<What does it matter? We are all bunch of quarks, gluons, leptons, photons,
vector bosons and gravitons.>
From: sperera@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (S. Perera)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: SL Bill of Rights
Date: 22 Nov 1992 19:50:08 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
(among other garbage)....

>....Forget the bloody monks!

I DO NOT tolerate refering to Buddhist clergy "bloody monks".
If the monks who are practicing ahimsa are bloody, what the [....] should the
animals who kill innocent people in hundreds be called?
The only time the monks got bloody was when they were attacked by a bunch
of LTTE terrorists who are a disgrace to the human race. (Ex. Aranthalawa).
I think insulting clergy is a desparate act of a piece of garbage who can't
accept the great possibility of his supremo animal could very well lead the
Tamil race to genocide.
Who the hell is this guy Ranjith Suresh thinks he is anyway? He wants everyone
else to come to their "senses" while he has the privilege of writing utter
nonsense!
From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: SL Bill of Rights
Date: 22 Nov 1992 21:10:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu



Did you say Bill of fRights?