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From: autopsy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gregory Baumgartel)
Subject: Newer Black Sabbath
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:26:25 GMT


I was just wondering if anyone out there who listens to Black Sabbath knows
what happend to Tony Martin since Tyr.  He is the best Sabbath lead singer
there has been, if not the best of any metal band....

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From: bohanl@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Lee Bohan)
Subject: Re: Metallica live at Birmingham NEC 5/11/92
Organization: Aston University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:40:02 GMT

Are you sure it was Helpless and not The Prince? If so, I have written an
article with a small factual incorrectness for our newspaper here at Aston.
I will just have to hope nobody notices I suppose.....

A third opinion please.....

		Lee.

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From: bjross@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Brian J. Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Top Death Metal Groups
Summary: My opinion is what you make of it
Keywords: good death metal.
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:34:43 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

<orig posting removed>
(mega@lut.fi says:)
>  I am not a big death metal fan either but I do like some stuff. I have to admit that
>  almost 90 % of all these death metal bands are utterly crap but some of these bands can
>  really be the future of metal.
>  Here comes a list of my top death metal groups & albums.
>
> Paradise Lost: Gothic
> Death: Spiritual Healing
> Fear Facotory: Soul of a new machine
> My Dying Bride: As the flower withers
> Obituary: The end complete
> Pestilence: Testimony of the ancients
> Bolt Thrower: War master
> Entombed: Clandestine
> Benediction: Dark is the season
> Napalm Death: Harmony corruption
 
Just a warning.  Paradise Lost and My Dying Bride aren't what many people
would call "death metal," although they are extremely good bands, both of them.
If you're looking for the "real" death metal (ie extremely fast & brutal) 
only some of their material qualifies.  If you're more broad, check 'em out.

But, anyway, Mega's list here is a good introduction to death metal, especially
considering the overall quality of the DM out there.  A couple other
recommendations of my own:

Dismember: Like an Ever Flowing Stream
Obituary: Cause of Death
Brutal Truth: Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
Carcass: Necrotocism: Descanting the Insalubrious

Just a few.

All opinions/flames/comments welcome
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From: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man )
Subject: Another DM collection/origins of DM
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:23:35 GMT

Hey, got myself a death metal collection today called "At Death's Door".
Pretty cool, featuring :
Sepultura, Pestilence, Deicide, Morgoth, Sadus, Exhorder, Death, Obituary,
Malevolent Creation, Believer, Cerebral Fix and Atrocity.       

So far I like it..it is a 1990 release, so it is some of the "older" stuff
from these bands.  I am impressed with Exhorder so far, never heard them
before.  Deicide is sorta crappy, but a lot of this is pretty good.  It even
has extensive liner notes, describing each band, and a history of death metal
(in their eyes anyway).  they labelled Venom's Welcome to Hell as the first
death metal album.  Then they mention the influence of Slayer and how they
brought musicianship into the brutality of DM.  Then it mentions the
1984-1985 period where Kreator (as Tormentor), Destruction, Sodom, Posessed,
Death (as Mantas), Celtic Frost (as Hellhammer), Slaughter (OBVIUOSLY a
different band than our buddies in the glam-metal world), Sacrifice and
Sepultura pop up.  Then a drought of stuff where no one would sign DM bands
and bands like Celtic Frost changed totally.  Then a re-emergence with
Death's Leprosy album.  That's about it...mentions new bands for the time and
says "...bid your sack farwell and open the gleaming gate to hell".  Anyway,
pretty neat to have a written history of death metal, even if it isn't
corrct.  Not that i know, is this a pretty good history?  Obviously I have
only outlined what it says.  Comments would be cool on if you think their
timeline for death metal sounds right.  If anyone wants a songlist or
something, let me know, and whatever.  If you already have this one, then
this is all a re-run for you, sorry.  I was happy to find it used for $6, so
now I have something to listen to. :)

						the man
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Renegade)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Top Death Metal Groups
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:26:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Originator: alpet@tornado.berkeley.edu

To Chuck: 

I don't think Kreator is a death band, at least if you compare it to 
Death and Pestilence, especially the early stuff. Kreator is a very good
thrash band and some of their songs are brutal enough to sound like some of DM
but in general they are not like that.  I have all of their albums except the
last one which sucked big time, and if anyone is interested I will post a
review.  I heard that the new album is coming out but I am cut off from all
sources of info here, except Internet... Anybody wants to shed the light on
this issue?


Renegade.

P.S. Does anybody know if I can subscribe to Metal Hammer in English?

-- 
"I know that I work for Time-Warner, one of the main purveyors of evil
 in the universe.  The way I see it, sometimes you have to rot the
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From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Top Death Metal Groups
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:29:51 GMT
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University

What does anyone think of the new Malevolent Creation?  I got it the week
it came out, and am in love with it.  It'll probably remain in heavy
rotation in my CD player until the new Death comes out ;-).

  OOOOO  OO  OOOO   OOOO     sinn santos, computer music, columbia university.
 /OO/// /OO /OO//O /OO//O     "They can take the record, and they can SHOVE
 //  OO /OO /OO /O /OO /O     IT RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROATS!"   "Money talks,
  OOOOO /OO /OO /O /OO /O      and bullshit walks..."  "Every song's a hit!"
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From: mega@lut.fi (Mega the Root of All Evil)
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:24:12 GMT
Disclaimer: Death before disco
	<BxtvvL.B9r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Nov18.213729.16118@Cadence.COM>
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


> In article <1992Nov18.213729.16118@Cadence.COM>, jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) writes:

> Bullshit,Sepultura is metallifag commercial shit metal.

 I like Sepultura

> "the man"seems to like real grind(Entombed,Bolt Thrower,etc)like me,

 I like Entombed & Bolt Thrower

> like old Accused,The Unleashed,Benediction,Napalm Death,Autopsy,
> mabey even old Celtic Frost,Whiplash's first power&pain is a classic.

 I like Benediction,Napalm Death,Oold Celtic Frost & Whiplash.

> and "the man"don't listen to f@gs like this guy,he's probably the
> kind who considers Godflesh deathmetal,and bands like meatallif@g and
> megaf@g real metal when it's commercial garbage.

 I like Godflesh,Metallica & Megadeth.

> I'm suprised not to see a bunch of"Def Leppard is REAL metal"post's
> like there used to be.

 I don't like Def Leppard (except the stuff before Pyromania)

 What should I do now ? Am I twisted ?




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From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Death vs Grindcore vs Thrash
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:27:54 GMT

In article <11006@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk (Barry Copeland TBS92) writes:
>In article <1eapi0INNbb8@ginger.csv.warwick.ac.uk> cstadez@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C M Soanes) writes:
>>
>Here's my _attempts_ at defining the genres
>
>Thrash - solid, fast rythm, moshable.
>         cf. Anthrax, Nuclear Assault, Slayer
>
>Death - solid, heavy, mid tempo to fast, a sort of grinding sound
>        cf. Death, Morbid Angel, Obituary
>      - can also be slow (no genre name)
>        cf. Autopsy, Anathema, Paradise Lost
>
>Grindcore - very fast, heavy , very grindy, - excellent tempo changes 
>            cf. Napalm Death, Carcass
>
>Hardcore - fast, not heavy, not really moshable.- matured punk
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not really moshable? I think you should stick to what you know. The word 
MOSH came out of the New York punk scene years before any heavy metal 
band used it. Hate to tell you, but the most violent Moshing I ever saw
was at Black Flag shows. Slayer, Death, Pestilence, Deicide, and the rest
that I have been to, don't even come close.
Hate to say that you are way off base here, but you are. 

					--Judex--
PS: I'm 30, still slam/mosh, and have been doing this for longer than 
many of you could spell Metallica. Or for that matter, Before Metallica
and the rest EXISTED!
From: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man )
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: death vs. thrash vs. grindcore
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:26:59 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rancid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chanel Wheeler) writes:


>Flame me if you like but this is my concept of the meanings of death metal,
>thrash, and grindcore:

>Thrash & grindcore are musical styles. God forbid, I actually try to define
>the difference in the sound between the two but after you've listened to
>enough stuff, you get a feel for what falls in each category (well, at least
>some of the time). Dead Horse is thrash (albeit with grindcore influences);
>recent Napalm Death is grindcore. Vocals don't exclusively decided which
>category the band falls in. Both grindcore & thrash can have distorted 
>vocals. 

>Death metal does not describe the sound of the band. Death metal can be
>thrash or grindcore (although it is grindcore most of the time). Death
>metal describes the lyrical attitude of the band. Same for doom metal 
>(although I admit doom is almost always slow).

>Anyone agree? Anyone see a weak point in my approach?


Ok, I am seeing some now...here is my problem.  With most of the distorted
vocals out there, I am having a hard time deciphering "lyrical content".  To
me death metal was the distorted vocals, with thrash being something like
Nuclear Assault having the fast driving beat, but lacking the growl.
Grindcore is a fairly new term to me, so I have NO idea what to classify
here.  I need to see some OPINIONS of where certain bands would be classified
to get an idea.  Here are some of mine (opinions of course...nothings is set
in stone in a classfication thingy like we are trying to do) :

Entombed, Morbid Angel, Nocturnus, Carcass, etc. - Death Metal
Nucler Assault, Hellbastard, Kreator (?), etc. - thrash 
? - I dunno if Kreator is thrash, but I don't think it is death metal
Then I already mentioned that I am not sure what grindcore would be, but
maybe Sepultura?  I dunno...others help here please...we are trying :)

						the man

P.S. What about other bands like Overkill, Anthrax, Megadeth, metallica
where do all these go (without getting into a discussion about selling out
please)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault)
Subject: Re: Death vs Grindcore vs Thrash
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:09:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.180653.8145@leland.Stanford.EDU> rancid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chanel Wheeler) writes:
>
>I think speed metal is an archaic term. The Great Kat could still be
>classified as speed metal (where the emphasis is on speed and not on
>quality) but Megadeth and Metallica are thrash.
>
	I disagree with your statement that speed metal is an archaic term.
There are still bands around that fit quite nicely in the speed category, such
as Demolition Hammer (which could also be considered thrash, I suppose) and
Razor, who even claim to put out "Extreme Speed Metal".

Avoiding hypertension,	
						Big Al the Devil's Pal!!
From: bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky)
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:14:01 CST
Organization: Operation Mindcrime

Moses A. Fridman (maf10@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:
:
: Death:  Lyrical definition mainly, about eating rotting corpses with or
:	  without tobasco sauce.

haaaaaaaaaahhaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!  I couldn't stop laughing when
I read this...	Talk about limiting your creative horizons! It'd be like:

--------------------------------------------------
Catalog Number: I8U2-666
Artist Name:	Hungry Biff and the Coffin Raiders
Album Name:	Number Of The Feast

Side 1:
1. Breakfast In The Rue Morgue	5:16
2. Fried Children Of The Grave	4:23
3. Diarrhea Of a Madman 	5:51
4. God Of Hunger		4:32
5. Eating After Midnight	4:01
6. Cold Skin			5:11
7. ...And Intestines For All	9:44

Side 2:
Program repeated for your convenience.

Critical Apprasal: "Truely innovative material
from this Arkansas based quartet." -Rudy Rude A.P.
--------------------------------------------------


Oh, yeah, almost forgot... :-)	 :-)	:-)   :-)
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: This Music-type casting argument
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:30:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: mheniff@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 18:43:37 GMT

In article <BxxDCq.9v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mheniff@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (heniff michael j jr) writes:
| What's with all this categorizing?  Why not set up two categories, good and 
| bad?
|
Because it's all subjective.
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From: vcsc458@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (R0Y)
Subject: Re: This Music-type casting argument
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:09:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.134948.2767@bvc.edu> websterjusti@bvc.edu writes:
>
>Off the subject, has anyone heard what the lastest deal with Testament is?  
>Alex is out after this tour I know, but what are they going to do?  Has 
>anyone heard about this?

Alex's last gig with Testament was on Halloween.  That was also the new
guitarist's first gig with the band.

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From: jrcyrus@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ROBERT CYRUS)
Subject: Re: The ORIGINAL Black Sabbath
Originator: jrcyrus@c00127-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jrcyrus@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ROBERT CYRUS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:06:46 GMT




>Any fans of the ORIGINAL Black Sabbath out there?


Surely you jest....

	I, too, have every Black Sabbath CD (at least all I know of), and I
would have to say they are my favorite of all my pet metal bands(Megadeth, 
Anthrax, Metallica, Iron Maiden, ...), which is QUITE a complement. I'm 
not quite the fan, however, that my brother is. He probably will be buried 
with a copy of 'Paranoid'. I must admit I am a tad jealous of you. Getting
 to see Black Sabbath for what might be the last time. Must have been 
beautiful....
                                                     -Bob
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From: m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis)
Subject: Re: Left out Progressive
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:58:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.202338.20399@meiko.com> paull@plasma.co.uk writes:
>In article 12072@bsu-ucs, 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu () writes:

>>> You left out one type, which might actually help you... Progressive.

...

>>
>>YOu seem to have forgotten one of the original prog.rock groups
>>
>>RUSH...What about Yes?  C'mon...
>>
>>			-Matt


>Rush and Yes are **NOT** progressive metal. They are progressive rock. Pink Floyd
>also belong in the progressive rock banner. Some of the early Rush stuff could be
>classed progressive metal I guess, but they are a prog-rock band.
>

 To be accurate, Pink Floyd is actually considered as _psychedelic_ rock.

>
>
>		Cheers,
>			Paul Lee (Hoppy)
>

                                -Maz

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From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: This Music-type casting argument
Originator: tphailey@c00031-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:37:59 GMT


mheniff@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (heniff michael j jr) writes:
 
|> 
|> By the way, has anyone heard of Cro-Mags or Type O-Negative.
|> They're both great bands.  Type O is more sorta doom metalish and if you
|> haven't heard the song "Unsuccessfully Coping with the Natural Beauty of
|> Infedility" of their _Slow,_Deep,_and_Hard album you're really missing out.
|> As far as Cro_mags go they're an ex-hardcore band that really kicks ass live.
|> They have two albums out that can be compared to the likes of Death Angel's
|> _Act_III_.         
|> Mike 
 
Actually, Cro-Mags have 3 albums out - the first is called "Age of Quarrel"
which happens to be a song off of their second album - "Best Wishes". 
Then they have their new album that I can't remember the name of. If you
like kinda generic hardcore stuff, I guess they're pretty good. One 
interesting note, though, Harley Flanagan (sic), who is the bass player and 
he might also sing (they had a singer on the first album who left and Harley
took over on Best Wishes, but I think I heard where the original singer 
came back), is a Hari Krishna. Weird, but then again it's been infiltrating
the hardcore scene for some time now. But that shouldn't deter anyone from 
buying the album even if he does preach the Krishna doctrine, hell, no
one seems to mind people preaching Satanism on albums. 

TOMASS
From: esuln@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: The ORIGINAL Black Sabbath
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:31:20 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <1ed1jpINNok7@corax.udac.uu.se> d92j1jo@pyton.csd.uu.se (Jonas Jonsson) writes:
>I just hope they'll play at Donington Castle this summer .....
>We in Europe need our share ......
>

The classic venue for the final Sabbath gig ever would have to be in their
original home - Birmingham UK - and where better than the Town Hall.

(they played  Birmingham Town hall on the Master of Reality tour - the
 pictures are inside the gatefold sleeve of the original issue of volume 4)


But:  anywhere in the UK would do - I couldn't afford to go to the USA gig.

jsm
From: 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Left out Progressive
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:05:32 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

> You left out one type, which might actually help you... Progressive.  There's
> even a newsgroup (alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive) for it.  I won't go into
> a long in-depth description of what progressive metal is - though I could,
> since I co-wrote the FAQ for the group. ;)  Queensryche (except most of their
> songs on "Empire") tends toward being progressive metal, as do groups like
> King's X, Fates Warning, Crimson Glory, and Dream Theater.

YOu seem to have forgotten one of the original prog.rock groups

RUSH...What about Yes?  C'mon...

			-Matt
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From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: Re: Death vs Grindcore vs Thrash
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:43:07 GMT

>I think speed metal is an archaic term. The Great Kat could still be
>classified as speed metal (where the emphasis is on speed and not on
>quality) but Megadeth and Metallica are thrash.

Mega-f@g and metaliif@g aren't thrash,they're commercial SHITROCK.
No band that play's almost all slow gay ballads is metal.Hell boy,
people like you think G-N-R  is some kind of metal,when we all know
it's cock-rock crap.
	Jeeezus,you people are hilarious
		YOU SUCK
		THE POPE
From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: L7
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:34:27 GMT
Organization: Cosmic Monsters Inc.

> ...  Bummer that the album doesn't come with lyrics, I going to buy it. 
>Anyone know if 'Smell The Magic' is the better album, or "Bricks Are Heavy.'
>                        Tamra

I like _Smell the Magic_ better. The song writing is better and there is
more variety (ie. fast and slow songs). The new one is growing on 
me though.

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