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From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel)
Subject: Re: Pull time safety
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:20:55 GMT

Randy Scott (randy.scott@filebank.cts.com) wrote:
: I was talking to a guy at the DZ last week about who's at fault in an
: canopy/jumper collision at pull time.  His position was, "the low man
: has the right of way, so it's the high guy's fault".  I say, "O.K.,
: but why did the low guy pull into the high guy's face?"
: 
: Any comments?  How can we define the responsibilities more clearly and
: improve safety during openings?
:                

I'd say that the low person has the right of way since they have less 
visibility and less altitude in which to maneuver than the high person.  The
question of fault may not involve the right-of-way in some circumstances.

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: rcook@bnr.ca (Roger Cook)
Subject: Re: Rumour that Piras bounced apparently true / CYPRES
Originator: rcook@bcrks110
Reply-To: rcook@bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Electronics, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:27:41 GMT



While most people agree that Tom Piras would still be alive if he had
activated his CYPRES, no one has commented on the fact that he may still
be alive if he was wearing a helmet. The blow he received to his head was
only enough to knock him out temporarily. Perhaps he would have remained
conscious if he was wearing a Protec.

Speculation, of course. Any comments???

 

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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Eloy Landings
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:29:17 GMT

I was there, Ilove $8.00 rides on a turbine!  However Pierre says
"Jumping there was really great and we hesitate now going at DeLand or Eloy
for our next training in the US (April). There was just one thing that made
us
angry about: the crazy landings of many people... The problem was not
hook-turns themselves, but the final approaches and the landing axes!!!
Everyone wanted to land at the same time at the same place and it seemed that
everyone saw the wind axis differently... Add a few hook-turns into that and
the only thing you can do when you're at the ground is to hope that no
accident will happen."

I did about 30 dives that week and had no traffic problems of anykind, even
on the 64 blot attempt. I'm in no hurry to land.  No matter where how high I
opened, I just cruised around until all the kamikazes had spiraled to the
deck.  Everyone still in the air with me seemed content to fly in an orderly
and cautious manner, a manner I like to emulate.

Clearly a case of watching out for myself.

Bobby Magee
D-371
Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving,ba.market.misc,ca.forsale
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Paraglider for Sale
Originator: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 02:05:33 GMT


		PARAGLIDER FOR SALE

		ParaFlight Bird Wing III

		Two years new in _excellent_ condition.
		Includes harness, Aerdite reserve, backpack
		for carrying and helmut.

		Asking $1800.

		Call evenings and ask for Gary.
		(510) 790-1908

            (*please do not reply to this account.*)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: Eloy Fatality
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:44:17 GMT

She was German.

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: jkearns@encore.com (Jim Kearns)
Subject: Re: skydiving in the Ft. Lauderdale area
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:01:46 GMT

wtm%gr.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Thomas McCollough) writes:

>Who can recommend a skydiving center in the Ft. Lauderdale area?  I will be
>there for the weekend of Jan 23rd.  I've done the obligatory research using
>my latest Parachutist magazine.  Are there any other drop zones?

>Thanks,
>Tom

Your best bet is Clewiston, about 1.5 hr north on US 27.

Its a good DZ and sometimes I think it's one of the best kept secrets
in Florida.  They've had some bad luck with aircraft lately so that could
be an issue, but Marty is usually pretty good about getting planes when he
needs them.  Normally he has a Queen Air, a C195, and a super slow piston
Porter.  Also, Mr. Douglas is based there.

--Jim
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Winter Jumping
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:59:52 GMT

In article <003166j.14.726511604@axe.acadiau.ca> 003166j@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WILLIAM JARVIS) writes:
>	I was just wondering if there was a limit as to how cold it could be 
>before it isn't safe to jump, other than the physical aspect of it.  

I used to live in Wisconsin.  The coldest that I've ever jumped in was +3 on
the ground and about -30 at 10000' AGL.  Personally, I don't feel the cold in
freefall at all.  But when I get under canopy, then it gets REAL cold.

>Does 
>cold affect the performance of the 'chute in any way?

No.  If you ask the physicists in the group, they'll give you a more complete
answer, but cold air is denser than warm air.  The only thing that I can tell
you for sure is that this does not adversely affect the performance of the
canopy.  I was about to say that it improves the performance of the canopy,
but I've been shot down by the sky-physicists before and it's not something
I'm interested in repeating ;-)


Later,
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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Subject: Re: CYPRES AAD's 'n' Freestyle Re: Eloy Fatality
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:46:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.200350.6167@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:

   BTW, if I were mainly doing freestyle I'd get a Cypres AAD.  And
   DEFINATELY a Dytter or two.

Ad in this months parachutist shows Koyn and Stewart both "posing" for
AirTec's Cypres AAD. You're not alone with those sentiments!

However, I find this a particularly good credit to the Cypres.
Freestyle is where the jumpers is most likely to experience continuous
and unusual changes in air pressure, particularly those which might
*increase* it greatly...

(Admittedly, a funnel at 3500 would do the same, but that's more rare
than continuous freestyle moves.)

Thus, it's not unreasonable to view this usage (and lack of reported
failures) as a big credit in Cypres favor.

I'm saving for one... I think.

Barry

ps 'got a Dytter for Xmas! :-)


--
Barry Brumitt                        belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu
RI Graduate Student                  (or) bb1v@andrew.cmu.edu
Field Robotics Center                Phone: (412) 268-7144
Carnegie Mellon University           "Who is John Galt?" $ Skydive!

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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: NEW STERILIZ
X-Mailer: mailout v1.24 released
Originator: uucp@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
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To: skydive@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 14:56:15 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Farrant@p0.f915.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Farrant)
Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!zephyr.cair.du

 > Paid for my new Swift Plus Sterilizer over the weekend, should be 
 > here
 > tomorrow (?).
 > 
 > And I put a down payment on my new Custom Colored ZP PD Sterilizer!
 > Should be here in 10 weeks, hopefully to save my life gazillions of
 > times.
 > 
 > Tim
 > hope i'm still cool...

   Better buy us a case of beer to help us decide.

Bill Farrant


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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: AAD cutters vs. pullers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:30:41 GMT

>
>Cutting steel cables proves little if you want to cut a closing
>loop.
>
>Another article mentioned Kevlar closing loops. I recall cutting 
>some Kevlar cable (3/16") once using side cutters and metal shears
>FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES. Steel cable would have been toast in seconds.
>I later found out very sharp scissors can do it in a COUPLE chomps,
>the scissors also end up getting dull very fast.
>
>Those cruddy little hairy sonuvabitch Kevlar fibers will try their
>damndest to slip between the edges of the cutting surfaces, steel
>strands don't stand a chance. It probably wouldn't take a whole 
>lot of Kevlar strands to keep the spring from popping the reserve
>flap.
>
>My only point is that tolerances are critical here and would not
>show up when cutting steel. I'll also speculate that closing 
>loops were never designed to be cut.
>

So perhaps the manufacturers should require DACRON colsing loops for 
the cutters.

Hell, why don't they just eliminate the blade all together, and just fire
the pyro charge right into the loop- kevlar burns pretty easily  :^)

-Eric

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: laubach@hpl.hp.com (Mark Laubach)
Subject: Re: Warmest New Years DZ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:20:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Hmm, I seem to remember that the Aus DZ's I went to charged between
$24 and $28 Aus to 12,500 feet.  The rate conversion then was about
1.3:1, making it between $18-$22 US.  Both the DZ's I went to took
plastic so I didn't have to worry about too much cash.

--
Mark
From: fabio@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Fabio Crestani)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: info about Indianapolis
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:23:15 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.


Hi there,

I am going to waist a bit of your time asking you all to give me some info
about Indianapolis: places to visit, place to go for eating, drinking,
listening music, shopping and so on. 

I happen to go there for a conference and, as I usually do, I want to stay
a bit longer to visit the place. I am therefore also interested in finding a
reasonably cheap place to stay for few days after the conference.

Anyone wants to give me a help?

Thanks in advance,

			Fabio




-- 
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Computing Science Department # telephone: +44 41 339 8855 ext. 6292
Glasgow University           # fax: 	  +44 41 330 4913
Scotland    (UK)             # email:      fabio@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: How to make reservations for Alamo Rent a Car from outside the US?
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:15:36 GMT

In article <1il6vtINNn4c@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.153504.11080@cc.gatech.edu> pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos) writes:
>>
>>You can call them from overseas at +1-305-5220000.
>>Good luck.  Be careful with Alamo's possible tricks at the rental counter.
>>
>
>Can you elaborate on this please?
>I was going to use Alamo when I pop over to FLorida this summer.
>I'd be very interested in Alamo's tricks, or any other tricks other
>rental places use for that matter.
>Thanks!
>
>Thomas.

They'll do their utmost to convince you that you that the car you
reserved won't satisfy your needs, and that you _really_ need a
bigger car that just happens to cost more money. And if you take the
bigger car, they'll ask you to sign a little form saying you weren't
coerced into taking it... Just stick to your guns and tell 'em to push
off and you should have no problems hiring from them.

--
Colin Morris    Ingres, an ASK Group company     cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"conservatives don't know how to conserve anything except their own
privileges and wealth"
From: rocker@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Peurta Vallata(sp?) Mexico
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:04:01 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


	Let's try this again.  I admit I cann't even say it right let alone
spell it.


In article <1993Jan4.095831.6410@desire.wright.edu>, rocker@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 	My family and I are think about going to Peurta Vallata(sp?) for spring
> break but we don't know anything about it.  We were thinking about Cancun,
> which we know has some Indain ruins, until we found an offer for Peurta V. 
        where
> the 2nd person is half price.
> 
> 	So could anyone tell us about Porta V.?  How nice is it? how will it be
> the 1st week of April?  Any activities?  Is it better/worse/different from
> Cancun?  Did you notice any handicapped  accomendation?
> 
> Thanx for any info.
> rock hard
From: chodge@vax2.concordia.ca (CHRIS HODGE)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Tarpon Springs, Florida
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:02:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


      I will be in Tarpon Springs the last week of January and
would appreciate any information on restaurants and things to do.
Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kostur@fraser.sfu.ca (Steven Paul Kostur)
Subject: Do *YOU* want info on Canada ?
Followup-To: can.general
Summary: Phone numbers for Canadian prov's & cities
Keywords: phone tourism Canada
Organization: Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:54:47 GMT

Courtesy of a "Vacation Guide to Canada" from _Tourism Canada_ here are
 some phone numbers that might garner you information about various
 places in Canada :

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Provinces               Number         Cities               Number
Newfoundland & Labrador 1-800-563-6353 St. John's           1-709-576-8106
Nova Scotia             1-800-565-0000 Halifax              1-902-421-8736
Prince Edward Island    1-800-565-0267 Charlottetown        1-902-566-5548
New Brunswick           1-800-561-0123 Fredericton          1-506-452-9500
                                       Saint John           1-506-658-2990
Quebec                  1-800-363-7777 Montreal             1-800-363-7777
                                       Quebec City          1-800-363-7777
Ontario                 1-800-ONTARIO  Toronto              1-800-363-1990
                                       Ottawa               1-613-237-5158
                                       Niagra Falls         1-416-356-6061
Manitoba                1-800-665-0040 Winnipeg             1-800-665-0204
Saskatchewan            1-800-667-7191 Regina               1-306-789-5099
                                       Saskatoon            1-306-242-1206
Alberta                 1-800-661-8888 Calgary              1-800-661-1678
                                       Edmonton             1-403-988-5455
British Columbia        1-800-663-6000 Vancouver            1-604-683-2000
                                       Victoria             1-604-382-2127
Northwest Territories   1-800-661-0788
Yukon                   1-800-661-0494
 

National Parks and Historic Sites
Western Region             (403)292-4401
Prairie & Northern Region  (204)983-2290
Ontario Region             (613)938-5866
Quebec Region              (418)648-4177
Atlantic Region            (902)426-3436

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
<std.disclaimer> I am not affiliated with _Tourism Canada_ or anybody else :)
 I got this magazine last year, and finally got around to posting these
 numbers, no guarantee to cost [it didn't cost me anything when I called a
 couple], that these numbers will work from out of the country [you may need to
 preface it with more stuff] or that they are of any use any more (the info
 could be a year old now).
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: oasis@jcwrs.watson.ibm.com (GA.Hoffman)
Subject:  Question: Hotels in Israel
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 23:20:18 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

If you're not going on the cheap, there is an Israeli
chain called the "Dan"s in all the cities you mentioned.
These are popular alternatives to the Hyatt's, Sheraton's,
and Holiday Inn's .. I've stayed there with Chuck Norris,
the Foreign Minister of the PRC, and Rabin (:

There are less expensive places and hostels as well.

g
.


-- 
gary a hoffman
RISC Systems, Watson Research
From: hlam@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Ski Season Question...
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:30:58 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

When does the ski season end?

I am planning a ski trip  to Quebec first week of April...

Is that too late?

Thanks for any reply...

Huntson L.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank)
Subject: Re: chicago, illinois
Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:26:30 GMT
Keywords: architecture, Frank Lloyd Wright

In article <1993Jan8.145847.5617@dvorak.amd.com>, msoques@mozart.amd.com (Martin Soques) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan07.172940.16610@watson.ibm.com> yonas@ynsa.kgn.ibm.com () writes:
|> >Architect?...Check out Chicago Skyline from John G. Shedd Aquarium. Nice 
|> >             view. Walk through downtown Chicago and all the landmarks, 
|> >             building and Architectural designs are there to discover. 
|> 
|> A better view of the Chicago skyline would be from the observation windows
|> of the Sears tower.  Recorded messages by the windows not only explain the
|> history of the various landmarks in view but also their architecture.
 
An even better view of the skyline would be from the Adler Planetarium,
which is just east of the Shedd Aquarium on a peninsula.  Go at night after
all the buildings have turned their lights on for a better effect.

Or you can go to the bar on the top of the Hancock Tower.  The Hancock is
located in a better place than the Sears Tower (more stores, food, and
parking).  The Bar is actually above the observation deck on the 96th
floor.  I recommend the bar because the price of one drink is the same
as the price of the observation deck, but you can sit down an watch the
city.  The waitresses seem to leave you alone to watch without constantly
pestering you to buy more drinks (but don't wear shorts, and inexplicably,
don't wear jean jackets)

-- 
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dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com          Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu                   Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu       708-576-8207
From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Mobile Homes - how expensive and useful are they?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:44:54 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

In the 7th grade I spent an entire YEAR living in a motorhome (Dad was on a
workshop/lecture tour during his sabbatical year.)  Hit 47 states.  Anyway,
there's no question that it's great to be able to put kids to sleep in a
real bed and keep driving through the night.  Also, I enjoyed the experience
of traveling this way, and I suspect younger kids would think it's even 
cooler.  As another poster noted, you can often park and camp a lot of places
other than campgrounds, though I'd prefer well-lit places.  

Safety?  Well, what happens to a motor home if it cracks up or catches fire
will take your breath away.  Just don't have an accident!  Truth is, though,
you don't drive one of these the same way you may zip around in your car -
not going to corner hard, accellerate fast, etc., so it may be inherently
more safe.  Maybe not.  i

Ask yourself: would you like to travel in a vehicle where you have access to
a bed, a working toilet, and a refrigerator any time you like?  Especially
with li'l kids?  Yes, you say?  

--
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 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 09:48:22 PST
From: Lois White <LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: How To Say "Thank You"
 <WLIM.93Jan10152737@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM> <1993Jan11.151726.9950@crd.ge.com>

In article <1993Jan11.151726.9950@crd.ge.com>, deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com (Andy
Deitsch) says:
>
>...
>Efarasto - Greek - Greece

 Efharisto is the standard transliterated spelling.  The 'h' is pronounced

>Shukra - Arabic

 Shukran

Some dialects may say it without the 'n' but with an 'n' is far more common
From: anaro@babel.ling.upenn.edu (Anthony J. Naro)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: info needed: hotels in Madrid
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:14:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Can anyone offer any hints on hotels in Madrid?  Or any other form of
accomodation such as pensions, short-term apartment rentals, rooms, etc?

anaro@babel.ling.upenn.edu
From: chenqiu@ecf.toronto.edu (CHEN QIUSHI)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Tips on Sapporo, Japan?
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:43:44 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

I am going to Sapporo, Japan for about 9 days at the end
of the month.  I need tips regarding travelling, food, 
sightseeings and
events during this time of year.  I would appreciate it if
anyone could provide any tip.


Please either post your tip to the netland or send me a mail at
the following account <<chen@power.ele.toronto.edu>>

I will post the tips to the net.

Thanks a lot.


Qiushi Chen


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