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From: ITB675NURSER@qut.EDU.AU (ITB675NURSER@qut.edu.au, Unix to Unix copy program...You will never find the more wretched hide of scum and villany...we must be cautious.)
Subject: HP48 Bug??? or feature
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:39:00 GMT

just recently I wrote a program which continued to differentiate
an algebraic until a constants was produced (for polynominals)...
I accidentally put in an e^x, which created an infinte loop...
after waiting for the calculator to stop (about 5 min - I though it
would run out of memory & give an error)
instead, I couldn't do anything...not even an ON-C.
After removing the rubber pad, and doing a hardware reset, I noticed a 
new variable in the home directory...
it was called 'symb
that's right 'symb , no closing quote, and obviously, there was no way for
me to delete this, other than to re-order the variables in the home
dir, so that a non-empty dir appeared second, and then do a CLVAR.
I couldn't do this because I couldn't re-order 'symb
so I was forced to do a CLVAR and hope I didn't lose too much..(i didn')

More info:
  I was in a sub-dir of the hidden home dir, when the error happened...
I reproduced the error 3 times
Is there a logical explanation for this..


also, when my calc has crashed other times, a directory called "D.01"
appears (no quotes) in the home directory ????
any HP-wizard who can explain? 
(I have a revision-E)

see ya
David Nurser
itb675nurser@redgum.qut.edu.au
From: bakerdds@milton.u.washington.edu (David Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP 48-SX System for sale
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:47:47 GMT
Reply-To: bakerdds@u.washington.edu
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle



Great news!  I have a complete 48SX system for sale.  I used it in my 
mechanical engineeering career, but now I have moved on to dentistry!

	ITEMS FOR SALE  (package price is quite a deal!)

	1) HP 48-SX calculator.  Complete with documentation and "dust-free."
	
	2) IR Printer- Wireless thermal printer.  (new = $115)

	3) HP Solve equation library ROM card.  
		Multiple eqn. solver, hundreds of engineering formulas, 
		periodic table, the "most useful" expansion card. (new = $89)

	4) Interface kit for Macintosh- Cable and software. (new = $89)

	
	
	Everything is in FLAWLESS CONDITION!!  I don't need this type of
	computing power anymore.  I am willing to part with it for $350.

	WHAT A DEAL... that is almost HALF what it cost new!  

	Reply back to this memo, or just call me at 206-548-1088 (Seattle).

	Thanks for your interest, David Baker.   :-)   :-)
From: akcs.mcquade@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Gerardo McQuade Medina)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:40:02 GMT
Subject: Merged 128Kb card.
Message-ID: <2ac9df7e.1807comp.sys.hp48@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Keywords: ram card.

Hello everybody!

I own a HP48sx Rev. 'E' calculator and I have installed a HP 128Kb RAM
card. I haI actually have 100 Kb of the user memory ocuped. So, my
question is How can I free the RAM card w/o loosing the data AND at the
same time move my directories to the independient memory?

I was thinking in using the 'usrlib.exe' program from HP but I don't
really want tomake experiments. Somebody out there must have several
suggestions. My purpose is to let the original 32 Kb of the calculator
and put all my programs into the card so I can use the card on any sx
calculator. 

I also have a question about electhrostatic discharges; What can damage
the card if I carry with it (I don't know, in the briefcase) to
everywhere?

Thanks in advance and try to reply by E-Mail.

Gerardo
mcquade@cca.pue.udlap.mx
From: Simone.Rapisarda@p10.f800.n33.z2.fidonet.org (Simone Rapisarda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Finally an enhanced custom menu!
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:15:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:33/800.10 - Italy UUCP Gate, Italy

In a posting of 02 Oct 92 Klaus Kalb writes:

 KK> SR> Talking about customization, one of the things that I hate more in
 KK> SR> the HP48 is the fact that an HP48 user cannot create tree-structured
 KK> SR> menus, s/he is compelled to use flat menus.
 KK>
 KK> That's true. I was feeling the same way and I worked out a somewhat
 KK> different solution some time ago.

Thanks Klaus,
your program is very similar to the first version of CRCSTM that I developed
for my personal use some time ago.
I finally developed the latest CRCSTM version that resolves the problem in a
better way:

- USER mode can be off (and it works with every USER keyboard because it's
  not an assignment).

- An idiot-proof error checking is done (so no crashs).

- The menu displayed is not a special menu but just an enhanced custom-menu
  that supports two other types of labels (so it should be more intuitive).

- Both the new labels are supported in all the sub-menu of this custom-menu.
  The tree depth is limited only by the available memory.


I hope you'll like it (give a look at the next message).

let me know!

ciao

                                                            RAP
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From: crenner@eng.clemson.edu (charles renner)
Subject: Re: Serial Number??
Reply-To: crenner@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:22:33 GMT

Look on the back of your calculator.  It is engraved there.

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   /      /   / /   / /     /  /             c210cr@cs.clemson.edu
  /      /---/ /   / /     /\/   "...as the rich get rich, and the poor stay
 /      /   / /   / /     /  \    poor, and the banks get fat, and the cops
/----  /   / /---/ /---- /    \   get paid to look away as the one percent
                                  rules America!" - Queensryche  

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 15:27:11 EDT
From: robert eric beckwith <IO20081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Wanted: winds aloft program

I'm looking for a winds aloft program for flight planning.
I would like to find something to pick the best altitude
to fly given surface 3, 6, 9, 12K winds, and direction
I want to go.
     I have looked at the flight planner, and thats a bit more
than I need.  Ideal would be winds aloft, TAS/IAS, PAlt/DAlt.
     Any suggestions ?,  Thanks in advance.
       robert beckwith  IO20081@maine.maine.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kskalb@immd1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Kalb)
Subject: Re: Running Prgs from other directory
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:58:15 GMT

sweet@thans.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet) writes:

>	I've got the utility 'nice' (from Horn #1 I believe) that 
>sorts a directory listing putting subdirectories first, prgs second, etc..
>and I wanted to assign it to a user key the trouble is that I'm storing 
>'nice' in a sub-directory and want to be able to run it from any directory.

The possible solutions I know of:

(1) Bind the complete program to a menu key.

(2) Bind a small wrapper (Recalling the program to the stack and evaling it)
    to the user key. Note that recalling that program to the stack only
    means pushing a pointer to the appropiate location. No additional
    memory is used. Try it (with the MEM command) if you don't believe me!

That's what you mentioned. More possibilities are:

(3) Stuff the thing into a home made library using the USRLIB program
    (or some equivalent program)

(4) If you prefer accessing programs via menus (not binding them to 
    user keys at all), use a tool for CST-like menus. 
    Simone Rapisarda has one in his SmartKeys lib, and I have posted
    a different approach some days ago. I have improved it a little
    since then, so ask me if you are interested.

If the program calls subprograms, nothing helps except including it
into a lib or keeping it and its subprograms in the path.
Transforming the calls to subprograms into something like
{ HOME FOO BAR } RCL EVAL is clumsy and won't work in all situations.

Hope this helps, -KK
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From: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: machine language tip
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:48:48 GMT
Reply-To: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hi Robert,

Thanks for your ML tips.  It is encouraging to see others
venturing into the ML world.

Your observations are valid.  The bottom line is that any time
you allocate memory, garbage collection may happen, which may
move your pointers around.  

I generally allocate a block of memory at the beginning of my
programs which is sufficient for the duration of the program.
Since I only allocate memory once, I don't have to worry about 
having my pointers change.

>>>Joe
From: jgreff@plains.NoDak.edu (Jason Greff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Getting out of infinite OFF
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:47:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20974
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <23252@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jmarkb@cs.arizona.edu (John M. Boyer) writes:
>For those of you who do not know how to get out of the program
>
><< WHILE 1 REPEAT OFF END >>
>
>Here's my solution:
..Complicated stuff deleted..

Uh, not to be picky or anything, but how about just hitting on quickly in
succession a few times?  Seems to be a lot easier than pushing about five
different keys.


-- 
Jason Greff                     North Dakota State University
                                -Fargo, North Dakota
"It's better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and
remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
"It's hard to be an individual while you are busy trying to conform." --Me
From: kskalb@immd1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Kalb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Finally an enhanced custom menu!
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:39:33 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen

rmcguir@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bryan McGuire) writes:

>kskalb@immd1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Kalb) writes:

>>Simone.Rapisarda@p10.f800.n33.z2.fidonet.org (Simone Rapisarda) writes:

>>>is the fact that an HP48 user cannot create tree-structured menus, s/he is
>>>compelled to use flat menus.

>     You can put an item such as { "subm" \<< {... ... ...} TMENU \>> }
>in your list of stuff for CST and you would have created a
>tree-structured menu.

--- Without that little bar indicating a directory or a non-leave menu.
    (But that could be down using a grob instead of "subm", wasting 
     memory, since that grob can be generated on the fly)

--- Without access to the submenu while a commandline is active.
    (This could be done by placing a TakeOver in front of the program,
     but it can't be done without SysRPL)

--- With a rather large and slow-to-edit object. (Simone's point)

>>Direct access to library menus isn't possible right now, but I
>>think it could be done.

>If you go to the menu of the library you wish to be recalling and
>execute the command RCLMENU, a number will be returned on the stack that
>can later be used with the MENU command to display that menu.  For
>example, to call up the menu for Rick Grevelle's HACKIT library (Library
>id is 1214) you would put something like this in your list for CST with
>all your other stuff. { "HACKIT" \<< 1214 MENU \>> }  If you want to
>make it a linked list type structure where you can go up and down the
>"tree" you could store the tmenu programs separately and have the last
>element in your list for tmenu call up the "parent" menu.  This would
>give the functonality of UP in your menus if you plan to make them
>deeper than two levels. Thats how I solved the problems of CST menus.

Yeah, but what I meant with *direct* access is something like putting
the lib's id number in some place and then having the correct menu
label appearing. Of course, { $ "HACKIT" :: TakeOver % 1214 InitMenu% ; }
(modulo typos) does the job.

And, after all, I want to have more then one CST-key.
I currently use 2 CST-like MENU keys besides the normal one.

BTW: I sometimes had my 'CST'-variable destroyed by programs using
     { foo bar } MENU instead of { foo bar } TMENU. To recover from
     that easily I just stored 'Cst' in 'CST' on my homedir and
     renamed all my hand crafted, precious CST's to 'Cst'.
     I never lost a CST ever since.

Happy Programming, -KK

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:01:48 EDT
From: <CXL121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: another bug?

In article <E495B9B0741F40AECF@qut.edu.au>, ITB675NURSER@qut.EDU.AU
(ITB675NURSER@qut.edu.au, Unix to Unix copy program...You will never find the
more wretched hide of scum and villany...we must be cautious.) says:
>
>if you enter SOLVER with an equation where the variables in the expression
>already exist as non-numeric objects, those particular variables
>do not appear in the menu keys...
>is this a bug or a feature?
>
>eg...
>'i'
>'S' STO
>'S^2+S' [SOLVE] [STEQ] [SOLVR]
>...look no variables ;]
>
>anyone care to shed light?

To quote the Owner's Maunal Volume I (edition 4, page 278)
   "If a variable in the current equation contains an algebraic object (or a
    name in a program), the variable itself is not included in the menu of
    variables. Instead, the variables in the algebraic object are used."

Since you're storing the constant 'i' in the variable 'S', there is nothing
more the solver can do but give you the answer '-1+i' or (-1,1).  However,
if you stored a _variable_ (e.g. 'D') in the variable 'S', 'D' would replace
'S' in the SOLVER menu.

BTW, all of the examples in the Owner's Manual about using the SOLVER are
prefaced by the statement "This example assumes that variables [relevant
variables] do not exist in the current directory".

MORAL: make sure all relevant variables _do not exist_ before starting the
       SOLVER.

Hope this helps...

-Chris
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Penn State University - Electrical Engineering
DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
            Penn State...they are mine...but sometimes I disagree
            with myself.
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:40:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Serial Number??
Message-ID: <2ad0dbdb.1845.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

The answer, as far as I know, is: NO.  Nothing inside the software,
firmaware, or hardware is unique amoung HP48's.  There are different
versions, though.  The serial number is only printed on the back.

Hope this helps

Bill Levenson
From: James.McNalley@f47.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (James McNalley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Hardware hacking boards now availiable for the HP-48SX
Date: 25 Sep 92 08:32:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.717905798.F00001


        I have an HP 48S and am very interested in anything moderatly
interesting for it that costs less than $100, so I guess your board qualifys.  I
am a poor student, so do I get a discount?  
                James McNalley
From: CXL121@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP calculator data base file?
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:08:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92277.180812CXL121
Organization: Penn State University


I remember a database type file containing all of HP's handheld calculators
containing dates of production, codenames, processors, etc.

I lost the copy I d/l'ed and I don't remember where it came from. I checked
seq.uncwil.edu and couldn't find it.  If anyone can point me in the right
direction I would really appreciate it!

Thanks in advance.

-Chris
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Christopher J. Lemond  INTERNET:cxl121@psuvm.psu.edu BITNET:cxl121@psuvm
Penn State University - Electrical Engineering
DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
            Penn State...they are mine...but sometimes I disagree
            with myself.
From: lkv@mania.hotb.sub.org (Lutz Vieweg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re:  v07i014:  rflib.cr - RF as LIB 903 v1.21, Part01/01
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 08:40:21 GMT
Organization: The Funny Farm
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 alpha rel3

In article <1992Sep28.213321.7231@seq.uncwil.edu>, charles renner writes:

> BEGIN_DOC rf121.doc

> This version of Lutz Vieweg's RF program works uses the same compression
> method as v1.2, v1.2L (library), and v1.21.

I made a special version of RF calculating and checking a CRC for
Joe Ervin - if you're interested in that version, please mail me.

The new version needs slightly more time for decompression since
it has to do the CRC-check, but there seem to be people out there
needing this kind of security... ;)

cu, Lutz Vieweg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Hp48 trek in works - looking for sounds
From: Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant)
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:52:48 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand


>......"college has put a heavy load on me this semester so I can't 
>spend as much time as I would like to drinking with my calculator..."

You too huh? How many people out there go drinking with, even have feelings 
for there calculator?

Worried Psychology/Maths Student
From: menasian@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Menasian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: FTP access to news/files
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:25:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep30.232554.6570
Reply-To: menasian@u.washington.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


  Greetings HP48S/SX users!
   My internet access is about to be reduced to FTP and e-mail only!
   For this reason, I would like to know if any of you know how to:
     1: Log onto the HP Corvallis BBS from internet
      and/or
     2: FTP that or other HP48 file/news archive sites
 
   Thanx in advance for any help or site names offered :-)

    menasian@milton.u.washington.edu - moving soon to an unknown address
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: yxl5388@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Y.X. Liu)
Subject: Re: Getting out of infinite OFF
Originator: yxl5388@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:18:16 GMT

In article <23252@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jmarkb@cs.arizona.edu (John M. Boyer) writes:
>For those of you who do not know how to get out of the program
>
><< WHILE 1 REPEAT OFF END >>
>
>Here's my solution:
>  Press ON. Simultaneously press the right and left shift keys while
>continuing to press ON. Let go of the ON. The screen should come up.
>While still pressing the right and left shift keys, press ON and C.
>Then let go of everything. This will do the trick.

Just press ON very quickly a few times.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: abj@ida.liu.se (Andreas Bjorklind)
Subject: Re: HP 48 and airport security
Organization: Dept. of CIS, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:53:01 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 1992 18:59:31 GMT, bbs-firefly@jwt.UUCP (John Dooley) said:

John> This may be a stupid question, but I've been wondering what kind of an 
John> effect that the HP 48 has on airport security?  Does it set off the alarm 
John> on the security gates (the ones you have to cross to enter the terminal)?
John> Also, would putting it through the x-ray machines that they have there 
John> damage it in any way?  Thanks!

I've been through Swedish, Spanish, Finnish, English, and East coast
US air-port x-rays without any trouble.

/andreas
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: RMOLL@corral.uwyo.EDU (Ron Moll)
Subject: TDS phone number
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:32:03 GMT

	Tripod Data Systems phone # is 1-800-426-8026.....
From: bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: TDS phone number
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:01:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: geech.BSON.92Oct1100105
Organization: nil

In article <8003321630091992.A14910.POSSE.1169F41F0800*@mrgate.uwyo.edu> RMOLL@corral.uwyo.EDU (Ron Moll) writes:

 > Tripod Data Systems phone # is 1-800-426-8026.....

   A good trick is 1-800-555-1212 for 800 directory assistance. Much
quicker than posting to the net and waiting for a response.

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						   bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: Kirk.Smith@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Kirk Smith)
Subject: Re: Coupon Book Request
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:38:59 GMT

Better yet, could someone post the number to call regarding the coupon
book?  Also, who's eligible?  I've had my HP for nearly a year now.

-Kirk

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: grand@sicsoft.epfl.CH ((grand))
Subject: My compiler
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:18:20 GMT


Hello world,

(this sentence is in MANY programming books)

This little message to announce than the latest version of my compiler is now
in the hp48/hp48-compiler of seq.uncwil.edu. The file name is hp48-v25.zip

Regards,

Laurent              (grand@sicsoft.epfl.ch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: DEB3291@TNTECH.BITNET
Subject: Re: OFF in a program
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:59:18 GMT

>Is is possible to turn the HP48 OFF in a program? Is therea SYSEVAL addre
> this ?

        No need.  The command OFF works just fine.
[PRG]-[CTRL]-[NXT]-[NXT]-[OFF] will put it in your program.  It also will
turn off your calculator if you are not in the PRG mode.

David Byrd
From: blair@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Marc E Blair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Deleting Libraries
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:18:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BvE6KI.4B5@cs.dal.ca> sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet) writes:
>I would like
>to delete them, but when I follow the instructions in the book I get an
>error message 'Object in Use'.

This is a guess, but is it possible that the libraries are somehow "in use"
by the LASTARG or LASTSTACK feature?  Anyone? I've always deleted libraries
by using :0:1023 detach then :0:1023 purge, and i seem to remember getting
a couple "Object in use" errors until I repeated the commands a couple times.
when a successful delete took place, the screen garbled for a sec and then 
it was gone.  Does anyone else have a hunch at to what is going on?

Marc Blair