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From: megazone@joseph.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: 8 Oct 1992 23:27:13 GMT
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In article <1687ABA8B.JJACO02@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> JJACO02@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Jacoby, James Derek) writes:
>  There is no personal experience involved here, but I thought that the use of
>a micronox torch was simply as a method for getting the N2O out of the cartrid
>e by replacing the butane cartridge with an N2O cartridge. I certainly don't t
>ink that it was ever suggested that you inhale either of the gases in the micr
>nox torch.

No, you do not, actually can not, replace the butane with a Nitrous and crack 
it do to the different neck designs and the torch design. You want to put a
Nitrous (empty is fine) in the Butane side and clamp it in to seal the hole 
where the Butane would go.

The other side holds Nitrous just fine, as Micronox is a brand name for Nitrous
Oxide. You can inhale the two Nitrous cartridges that come with the torch if 
you want to. but don't inhale the butane.

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From: hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Thanks (was Re: Request for cite ... "crack babies")
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:31:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

"Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:


>I seem to have lost my cite for the metasurvey that invalidated 
>the assertion that thousands of crack babies were being born.
>Could some kind soul please post?  
>-- 
>paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
>"Run 'em down, Fred!  They don't belong here!  Run 'em down!"
>-- Bobby Fischer to Fred Cramer, who was driving him through a
>a crowd of spectators after Fischer adjourned game 1 in his
>1972 match with Spassky.

Thanks to those who e-mailed me info.  I made the request subsequent
to an exchange I had with my visiting mother-in-law after I "blew up"
when Perot made his comment about "crack babies" in Debate I.  Although
by now she is more inclined to believe what I have on the subject of
drug policy and the drug war, she was skeptical of my dismissal and
said something like, how about all those doctors who've seen this
phenomenon and reported on it.  I asked her what doctors she had in
mind and she countered with a statement along the lines that, if it
wasn't true, wouldn't it have been well-covered.

After searching my files to back up my assertions and coming up dry,
I issued my request to the net.  I ended up with about 25K of references
plus the entire Ellen Goodman article.  I printed it all out and gave
it to my mother-in-law who was very impressed -- both by the info and
by the net as a resource.  She will be taking the info back to L.A.
with her to show to friends who are less enlightened on the subject.
She also suggested that the info be sent to Clinton.  It's a good
idea.

Thanks again ...


-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
"Run 'em down, Fred!  They don't belong here!  Run 'em down!"
-- Bobby Fischer to Fred Cramer, who was driving him through a
a crowd of spectators after Fischer adjourned game 1 in his
1972 match with Spassky.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Piracetam?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:25:10 GMT

HZS@psuvm.psu.edu (Therion) writes:
: On a recent trip to England I picked up some over-the-counter pain killers that
: contained aspirin, caffeine, and 200 mg of Piracetam. I've looked through a few
: resources (the PDR, the Merck), but can't find anything other than the chemical
: name for Piracetam. What exactly do I have here?
:                                                     Therion

Are you sure that was the combination. A pain-killer called APCs used to be
commonly used - much less so these days.

It consisted of aspirin, phenacetin and caffeine.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Cocaine
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:48:22 GMT

In article <2607@ceylon.gte.com> RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:

>...for what it's worth, another article from the Boston Globe, 10/1/92, 
>page 2, Medical Notebook column by Judy Foreman (written permission 
>pending);

This is typically bad science journalism, IMHO.

>_Cocaine use is found to affect brain of fetus_
>
>  Cocaine taken during pregnancy clearly affects the developing brain of 
>the fetus, a team of Massachusetts General Hospital researchers has 
>written in today's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of 
>Sciences.
>  They found that in rats, cocaine disrupts cells in a delicate area of 
>the brain called the suprachiasmatic nuclei, which acts as a "biological 
>clock" to regulate daily rhythms, including sleep and waking cycles.

Note that the article doesn't tell us if pregnant rats were given
cocaine and their young were studied.  This is a crucial aspect of
the study which the journalist leaves unclear.  Also left unsaid
is the size and frequency of cocaine dosing.  As a result, this
summary is next to useless.

>  The next step, they said, is to see if these changes translate into real 
>disruptions in circadian rhythms and whether these occur in infants of 
>cocaine-using mothers. Previous studies have shown babies of cocaine 
>addicts are more irritable than other babies.

(This irritability could also be due to inattentive parents, of course.)

>No wonder why rats are up all night and sleep all day.

It is really amazing to be in a rat colony right when the lights go out.
There is a sudden explosion of rat movement akin to lunch hour in a
business district.

>Rob
>
>
>Rob Robertson
>GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
>40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
>Waltham, Mass. 02254
>"There is nothing new under the sun..."

   --Matt

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: WoSD as Ethnic Cleansing
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:47:21 GMT


 I suppose leftist politics was one thing that I was thinking of when I
mentioned "mistakes of the 60's", but I also get an impression of a sort
of foolishness which I suppose is just as prevalent today. I may just be
attacking human nature... I was also thinking of communal lifestyles which
I find repulsive, perhaps this is just a matter of opinion. Every story
that I have ever been told about "life on the commune" were disasters.
They seem perfect examples of a sort of example of a parrallel set of Laws
of Sociodynamics akin to the Laws of Thermodynamics.
 (I'm breaking into babbling now...)
 
 Drugs have had a definite impact on culture, but I'm glad we agree that
the use of drugs is not a culture in and of itself. 

St. Anthony

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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.atheism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Dangerous Drug (Was: Re: We'll all burn in hell!)
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:01:35 GMT
	<1992Oct14.021718.7897@news.eng.convex.com>
	<j1moody-131092233325@lafmacconsultant.lafortune.lab.nd.edu>
	<1992Oct14.125141.273@news.eng.convex.com>
	<j1moody-151092134136@hesmac32.hesburgh.lab.nd.edu>
Followup-To: alt.drugs,alt.atheism,talk.politics.drugs
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <j1moody-151092134136@hesmac32.hesburgh.lab.nd.edu> j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty) writes:

   >Instead of listening to sister Lucille, why not listen to Christ?
   >I think you'll find a man quite different than what so many today portray 
   >him as. . .talk about an open-minded radical.

Dateline: the world.  

A dangerous drug continues to affect the minds of people all over the
world.  This drug is known to have caused wars, motivated people to
sabotage, terrorism, and torture, and is considered extremely
addictive.  The drug causes people to lose their sense of control over
their own destiny. 

Yes, the drug Religion is loose on the streets, and should be
considered dangerous.  Just say no to this scourge upon humanity.

Some signs that your loved one may be on Religion:

Talking to an invisible person with head bowed and hands folded.
Speaking in unintelligible languages.
Sending money for no reason to someone on television.
Disappearing for several hours on Sunday mornings.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: mea@cbnewse.cb.att.com (mark.e.anderson)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:01:36 GMT

In article  "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

>Sander Vanocur asked the question -- what about legalization or some
>other alternative to the drug war.  

And at that point, I almost spilled my 7-UP.  Folks, this is a major
victory for legalization.  I could be wrong but I don't ever remember
a drug legalization question in a Presidential debate before.

Although all candidates responded in the typical fascist rhetoric, the
decision to legalize drugs - or at least marijuana - will fall upon
Congress.  Here in Illinois we have a wonderful candidate for U.S Senate
who is far ahead in the polls and who favors some form of legalization.
Her name is Carol Mosely Braun.  If more people like her get into
office, things will change.


Mark Anderson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:20:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.210747.11139@news.media.mit.edu> pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire) quotes me and responds:

>>Actually, absinthe's reputation is a bit overblown.  The turpenes which
>>are supposed to be intoxicating are probably not in high enough 
>>concentrations to have a pharmacological effect.  The real active
>>component is just plain ol alcohol.  Now, back when it was hip in
>
>
>	Wrong. I have tried absinthe and found it to have a strong
>psychoactive effect very distinct from alcohol. It reminded me
>somewhat of nitrous oxide. 

I stand by my statement.  Thujone, the monoterpene which is main
active component in oil of wormwood, simply isn't in present in
large enough quanities to intoxicate.  I quote "B. Max"'s article
in T.I.P.S. (Feb 1990, Vol 11):

"Steam distillation of wormwood yields 0.27-0.40% of a bitter, dark-green
oil.  In a typical recipie for absinthe, 2.5 kg of wormwood were
used in preparing 100 l of absinthe.  Typically, 1.5 oz was consumed
(diluted with water) per tipple.  This is equivalent to 4.4 mg
wormwood oil per drink, or 2-4 mg thujone.  This is far below the
level at which acute pharmacological effects are observed.  Even
chronic administration of 10 mg/kg thujone to rats does not alter
spontaneous activity or conditioned behavior.  The literature on
the pharamcology of thujone is, to put it bluntly, seond rate, and
conclusions as to its effects have been extrapolated far beyond the
experimental base.  In fact the supposed neurotoxic properties of
thujone are by no means well esablished."

After I originally read this, I poked around at some of the rest of
the literature and discovered that much of it was, in fact, second rate.
For example an article on xanthopsia and absinthe claims that thujone
"can cause auditory and visual hallucinations..., convulsions, and
eventually irreversible neurological damage."  Yet the authors can
only cite two sources for this claim: an 1974 article in Lancet and
a 1948 book.  Given that absinthe was 75% alcohol before dilution and
contained some methanol and that thujone wasn't typically drunk straight,
I think some skepticism is in order concerning whether these effects
were due to the alcohol or oil of wormwood.  Such effects are, of course,
consistent with alcohol intoxication and addiction.

While it may be possible that alcohol intoxication potentiates thujone,
I suspect that you'd be too drunk to notice before the thujone
kicked in (unless rats are way less sensitive to it than humans,
which is also possible).

Perhaps "set and setting" helped produce the narcotic effect which you
noted.

>					Pierre St Hilaire 
>					MIT Media Laboratory


      --Matt



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson)
Subject: Re: DMSO
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:54:32 GMT

In article <38452@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson) writes:
>In article <21SEP199220044349@acad3.alaska.edu> jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S) writes:
>>
>>DMSO - Dimethyl Sulfoxide? 
>
>correct, at least according to the online dictionary.
>
>>It says "For laboratory use only", so you might have to have some special
>>powers to get a hold of a bottle, mine is a 4.5 oz, and retails for 8.35$.
>>
> 
> Don't know about the price, but I saw bottle of it for sale in
> the local health / Weight lifter food store this weekend (right
> next to the Yohmibe Bark :-) )
>
> So at least in California, its out on the shelves.
>
> mark
  I got a bottle at a vacuum cleaner store. I swear, there is a vacuum cleaner
store in funnyvale, CA.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: cocaine (was Re: china white)
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:38:48 GMT

aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
> As I understand, cocaine inhibits reuptake of _both_ NE and DA, although
>I've read references to the latter more frequently.

And also 5-HT.  Its the action on DA thats prominent in its psychological
effect, however.

Also, I've read that it acts as a DA autoreceptor antagonist in addition
to blocking DA reuptake -- thereby causing both release and reuptake
inhibition.  Similar to amphetamine, where it blocks DA and enters the 
neuron and directly releases DA from the synaptic vesicles.
 
-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."
                                      -- Principia Discordia
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Keywords: New-Speak
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:31:30 EDT

In article <5d6-k9@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:

>>>
>>>The BoR was written that way for a reason.  No one should be kept from
>>>doing whatever they want, as long as they don't do it to others.  Ie drugs.
>>>It also means, you can't force a private citizen to hire anyone they do
>>>not wish to hire.  If i had more time I'd go off.  But I don't.
>> 
>> I guess you agree, then, that employers are entitled to require sexual favors
>> in order to grant employment, that they should freely be able to discriminate
>> on any basis, including race, color, creed, religion, etc., and that they
>> should be able to use public whippings as a disciplinary measure (provided
>> that their employess agree to this upon being hired--of course, they won't
>> be hired if they don't agree...)
>
>And just how many employees do you think would work for a company that
>did these sorts of things?  How long do you think the company would
>stay in business?  All the things you mention would have a severely
>negative impact on the costs of operation of the business.  The company
>wouldn't last long, unless they got protection from the government.

History certainly tells us that lots of people would work for companies
that discriminate.

Furthermore, people who have little other choice (that is, their other choice
is to starve) will endure quite a lot.  You don't believe that anyone has ever
endured sexual harassment to keep a job?  You don't think that people have
tolerated rather bizarre disciplinary rules, to keep a job?

It's not particularly important whether you accept the specific (extereme)
examples I stated to make a point.  Frankly, I don't believe they're
unreasonable--but just take a look at wages, working conditions, etc. in
third world countries, and *then* tell me how the "marketplace of employment"
will work so marvelously to prevent such abuse.

Unless you consider "government protection" to mean government non-
interference, I don't know how you could claim that such companies "wouldn't
last long."


-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Stephan Meyers)
Subject: GQ article "Nerd in Paradise" - pointer please
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:46:01 GMT

	Someone posted an article from GQ magazine about drug use in 
silicon valley - it may have been called "Nerds in Paradise".  If someone
could please email me a pointer to the issue, it would be appreciated.
Thanks.
		Stephan
-- 
--
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(Art)^n Laboratories, inventors of the Stealth Negative PHSCologram
(312) 567-3762
From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Any N.O.R.M.A.L. groups out their?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 05:01:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From article <12OCT199211175310@rosie.uh.edu>, by cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787):
isn't that NORML? 
-- 
			     David Hahn
 		   University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
		         hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: chadric@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: ku search  help?             
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:01:04 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <9OCT199211280348@acad3.alaska.edu>, jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Star Parker) writes:
> In article <7154@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, jeff+@pitt.edu (Jefferson Provost) writes...
>>In article <1992Oct7.222330.5535@tamsun.tamu.edu> ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault) writes:
>>>
>>>   Does anyone really think that the musical 'Hair' could have
>>>been written without access to psychoactive experiences?  Does
>>>anyone really think that the teevee show 'Northern Exposure'
>>>would have its current flavor, or would even have been produced,
>>>if personal use of cannabis were not legal in Alaska recently?
> 
> Well, as an Alaskan, I'd like to say one thing (maybe two). First, Northern
> Exposure is filmed and produced in Washington, but thats not the important
> point.
> 
> MJ *was* legal in Alaska until several years ago due to Red Swanson, he somehow
> managed to launch a massive anti-mj politico roust, and when the dust settled,
> it was illegal to possess Marijuana. My current favorite bumber sticker is:
> 
> 	"Pot got more votes than Hickle!"
> 
> Hickle is the current Governor which has had more than his share of unsavoury
> actions tarnish his term. 
> 
>
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: talking to kids
Date: 10 Oct 1992 21:31:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <Bvx7po.Csu@ddsw1.mcs.com> zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.214221.16595@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> brooks@ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin D Brooks) writes:
>>
>>I had a friend in high school whose parents allowed him to smoke pot at home
>>so they would know he wasn't out driving with a bunch of drunk buddies.  This
>>makes sense to me, but is a tough call as a parent, especially during a war.
>
>	My school doesn't want parents to let their kids drink alcohol at
>home, and so that they'd end up going out and driving and drinking with
>their "buddies." The school is more interested in "image" than helping
>people..

	The parents in the town I grew up in used to condone, no wait, even
promote the presence of kegs at high school weekend parties, on the premise
that, "At least we know they're here and just drinking alcohol rather than
elsewhere and doing god-knows-what".  Now this may have some merit, but given
my view of the relative danger of alcohol in relation to pot, LSD, and MDMA,
it was just ludicrous in my mind.  The propaganda against "drugs" was all over
school, the cheerleaders would do "Just Say No" routines, etc., and these
very same people could be seen roaring drunk 12 hours later at a party in
town.  The level of hypocrisy was stupifying (truely stupifying, as I bought
into it for the time I was there).

	Brian



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"MDMA is like getting a glimpse of the picture on the box of the jugsaw puzzle
of life.  You still have to put the pieces together. " - Nick Ingrasci, Ph.D.
From: SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Freudian slip...
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:32:46 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


                  Anyone catch Bush's Freudian slip when he mentioned the word
"cocaine". My roommate and I both noticed, and then were glad to see that the
Fox show "Roc Live" also noticed, because they showed a clip of it happenning
again. :-) Bush: Hypocrite? :-)

   Sean LeBlanc

   -The century's getting old and stale, it needs new tribes.
         -Clive Barker, In the Flesh


   -I wanna see you...trip away!
         -Perry Farrell
From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Nitrous Redux
Date: 8 Oct 1992 05:03:53 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <swZasB1w165w@goonsquad.Spies.COM> bbs.cch@GOONSQUAD.SPIES.COM (Carl Huben) writes:
>Additionally, butane is not the deadly poison some previous
>poster claimed.  My friends and I have inhaled butane, then
>exhaled into a flame with no ill effects (other than occasionally

Talking to several friends in EMS (always nice to have for certain emergencies
since they will keep things quiet...) if you were to inhale a full baloon of
butane acting as if it were nitrous you run the risk of getting enough into
your blood to reach fatal toxic levels. Sure, filling your mouth with it and
blowing on a flame works. (it's rather silly IMHO) But filling your lungs is
something different.

My advice, don't risk it.

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