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From: lm@slovax.Eng.Sun.COM (Larry McVoy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: GNU kids on the block?   (sorry... couldn't resist)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 18:45:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: slovax

I wrote:
: Count me among them.  Micro kernels are a crock.  OS technology should be
: simple and small, all the fun stuff is happening in user land these days.
: ---
: Larry McVoy			(415) 336-7627			 lm@sun.com

I've had several messages requesting clarification on this.  

My point is not: do all the OS stuff in userland.  

My point is: OS technology is done.  Do a small kernel that implements the
useful system calls and call it quits.  I think this is Linux.

The comment about userland means that the interesting space is
applications.  Not OS.  You can build an OS with wizzy features but
people are not interested in wizzy features, they are interested in
selling the most copies of McPaint.  They won't use wizzy features
unless every OS has those features. Why?  Because their app won't
port.  No port == less copies sold.  Less copies sold == less $.
Everyone is motivated by $.  People would like to write an app that
works on DOS, Unix, VMS, etc, etc.  Check out FrameMaker - they've
ported to Windows.  Do you think that FrameMaker will use any features
that are unique to Unix?  Not anymore.

So I think projects like Linux are right on the money: make an OS that 
implements the stuff that is needed, no more.  Do the simplest thing.
Don't have a million layers and an OS source base that runs on every
processor - that becomes a maintainence nightmare.
---
Larry McVoy			(415) 336-7627			 lm@sun.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tvr@cs.hut.fi (Teemu Rantanen)
Subject: Re: Microsoft bus mouse support
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:29:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.143920.952@rock.concert.net> cole@concert.net (Derrick C. Cole) writes:
 >  Does anyone have the Microsoft bus mouse working under Linux/X11?  If so,
 >  please share your knowledge!

    I have been using my Microsoft busmouse driver for about 3 weeks
    and I've had no problems.

    Diffs are against unpatched 0.97.pl1 but works for 0.97.pl2 with
    no modifications.

    I'll put the driver to nic.funet.fi,
    /pub/OS/Linux/kernel/MicrosoftBusmouse097.tar.Z

    Using this patch, you should be able to compile kernel with
    Microsoft, Logitech or no busmouse at all. If you try this, let me
    know how it worked. (I tried not to touch the Logitech code but as
    I cannot test it myself, someone should test that too).


					Teemu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: steve@crash.cts.com (Steve Morrison)
Subject: FAQ's where ?????
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:23:52 GMT

I've been watching this group for
several weeks and haven't see an FAQ posting.  How often is it posted?
When will the next posting be?

-steve
From: frank@cs.yorku.ca (Frank Pikelner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: GCC:read the FAQ/etc, but still puzzled
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:09:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1415
Distribution: world
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

Hello,

Just as soon as I finish tuning KERMIT I'll be prepared to install gcc2.2.2d
I've tried to read as much as I could on installing gcc, but I'm still unclear
about a couple of questions. If someone could help me out, I'd greatly appreciate
it.

Steps to installation of gcc, (as I understand them to be).
Download the 3 gcc files to my Linux machine (lib/misc/db).
Download the Header files for 0.97pl1
Download the Install.2.x script.

From here to I just run (execute) the script, and that is it?
Where should the compiler be placed (directory tree)?
Is there anything else, ie. changing my paths,etc ?

I appologise if these are ignorant questions, but I'm learning and I've not
been able to find the answers.

Thanks,
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From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Background processes not dying on parent exit
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:15:15 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com writes:
>Is the shell responsible for killing the background processes, or, since the
>shell is the parent of them and has been terminated, shouldn't the OS kill
>the processes automatically?

No, to both questions.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tree@midget.towson.edu (Denise Tree)
Subject: Need serial ports  
Reply-To: tree@midget.towson.edu (Denise Tree)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:57:22 GMT


Hi Linuxers,

Thanks to the many who responded to my request for a termcap
entry for my Wyse75...it's working just "lovely".

The problem is... I need serial poerts now that I'm not just 
using a mouse and a modem. My second second serial card is,
of course, useless under Linux.

Is  a multiplexing card like the AST fourport the only answer
and is this the only card that has a driver available?

For Ted T'so : is there still a source for the AST card...$25
is a great price... the only smart serial cards I have found so 
far were from Hedaka Kaka for $120.

c.o.l. is just the funnest spot in town!
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From: moyerg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (gary a moyer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: .97 kernel and root disk/probs with swapping
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:58:50 GMT

Firstly, kudos (!) to Linus on the great job with the .97 release.  I 
was grudging the upgrade (had been using .95c+) but went smooth and
was well worth it!  Furthermore, upgraded to the .97 version of the root
(which saved about 4megs of disk space!) which is also much better.  
Great job guys!

I am now in the process of getting the kernel to compile however I am getting
some strange results.  I am using a 2M swap file (NOT partition).  I get
some errors during swaps like:
rw_swap: bad swapfile

This occurs during compilation using gcc 2.2.2d with 4M RAM and 2M swap.
Any ideas?  Thanks.

               Gary Moyer

==
  Gary Moyer
  moyerg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Re: Problem: Compiling ps-0.97.2
Keywords: ps
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:45:28 GMT

In article <mdw1.715447696@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> mdw1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:
>I'm trying to compile ps for 0.97pl2, and when compiling "free" there's
>a problem:
>
>free.c:273: in function "show_buf":
>free.c: structure has no member named "b_size"
>
>(now that's typed in from memory, but you get the gist of it).
>Obviously this is a header file confusion. What should free.c be including
>to get the buf.b_size member in that structure? Thanks a lot for
>any help.
>
>mdw


I myself also encountered a couple of problems with ps-0.97pl2. The
major problem lies in the duplicated definitions from
/usr/src/linux/include/linux, /usr/include/sys, and /usr/include.

For many Linux-specific programs, the same problem repeats itself.
Obviously, my include files are not very update. HJ, is there
any most updated version of the include files? Thanx!



Wen-Chun Ni
>--
>Matt Welsh    mdw1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu    +1 607 253 2737
>  "People will say we're in love."  --Hannibal Lecter
From: julien@incal.inria.fr (Julien Maisonneuve)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X11, the sequel...
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:17:18 GMT

Followup to my X11 setup problems.
I tried the timings.exe program, it seems to give unreliable values. Besides, you
have to give it a BIOS mode number, it will switch to that mode and report the
values. I would have really preferred a program that only reads the VGA timings,
so that you can try it from a known mode. 
Also, there is no source code. Could the person that wrote this post the code ?
Or if anyone has hints on how to deduce video timings from vga registers...

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From: jgifford@attmail.com
Subject: SOLVED!!... was HELP.....
Reply-To: jgifford@attmail.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:17:10 GMT

It seems that I accidentally set the ownership of / to my supervisor (don't
ask me how).  Things SHOULD work OK after I fix it in a few minutes.

MANY, MANY thanks to Stephen Hite for the answer.  ;)

Later,
Jim Gifford
jgifford@attmail.com
From: gthaker@fergie.atl.ge.com (Gautam H Thaker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: POSIX.4 and POSIX.4a support in Linux
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:34:57 GMT
Organization: GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs

Does Linux support any of the Posix .4 and .4a draft standard features?
If not, would it be hard to do this?

Given that one was ready to pay small amount of money, is there a source
for getting Motif Widget sets for Linux?

Finally, is there any interest in Ada for Linux?

Gautam H. Thaker (gthaker@atl.ge.com) 609-866-6412 (fax x6397. Dialcom 8-777)
GE Adv. Tech. Lab.; Route 38, MS 145-2; Moorestown, NJ 08057.  767-4396 (home)


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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: Minimum requirements for linux - just to run single user
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:13:39 GMT

   From: cummings@tiger1.prime.com (Kevin J. Cummings)
   Date: 1 Sep 92 17:58:11 GMT

   Sounds like 1MB is too little memory.  I have heard of people running
   in 2MB on 386SX processors.  Just be sure to configure a swap
   partition (4-8MB) to get you running.  As long as there is sufficient
   memory to run the kernel in, swap space will look like paged virtual
   memory to your system, and it will manage it for you.

With the next patch level release of Linux, it will be *possible* to run
Linux with 1MB of memory.  (Actually, it was possible before, but only
if you could map your 640K-1024K RAM to 1024K-1408K, and not use it for
ROM shadow memory.)  Even though it will be possible, I don't think it
will be at all practical though; you wouldn't have any space for any
real buffer cache, and you'd be swapping all the time.  However, you
might be able to get away with it for a standalone, one application-only
system.

The new patch level should also improve performance on 2meg and 4meg
machines, especially 2 meg machines.  I think 2 meg machines will
probably have to be considered the limit of what's practical to have a
real system; and you really want to have 4 megs if you want to run X11.
(I tried running X on 2 meg system once.  It was really painful.  Just
trying to type into an xterm caused the system to thrash.  :-)

							- Ted

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Kevin W. Hammond <hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com>
Subject: Background processes not dying on parent exit
Reply-To: hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:00:48 GMT

I'm not sure if this is a shell problem or OS problem.  I'll start with the
OS....

I ran a process in the background from tcsh with the ampersand (&).  I would
have expected that when I logged out of the shell that my background processes
would have died as well, but they didn't.

Is the shell responsible for killing the background processes, or, since the
shell is the parent of them and has been terminated, shouldn't the OS kill
the processes automatically?

I'm using tcsh 6.01 and linux 0.97pl2.

-kwh-
-- 
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From: dd26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas F. DeJulio)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: RISC approach to OS - Re: GNU kids on the block?
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:55:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YebcGfK00Woh16Q2In
	<1992Aug28.174743.8140@colorado.edu>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> >Better an agnostic than determinedly believing in something that can
> >possibly be proven wrong. :-)

> Blasphemy! There is nothing but the one true EMACS! :-)

Ah, that's different.  That can't be proven wrong.
-- 
DdJ
From: pete@q106fm.UUCP (pete cervasio)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: RISC approach to OS - Re: GNU kids on the block?
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 07:06:20 CDT
Organization: WKBQ-FM Engineering Department

S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:

> In <1992Aug28.174743.8140@colorado.edu> drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu writes:
> >...
> >  Blasphemy! There is nothing but the one true EMACS! :-)
> 
> Tell me which version :-)

Ahhh... while there is only one true Emacs, we each meet it in our own
individual way.   As your faith grows, so increases the version number,
and the more power you will receive.  If your faith falters, and you use
a lesser version, your editing powers will surely decrease.

Let us pray to the blessed Version.

:-)

Pete C.

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| I fish, therefore I am.      | pete.cervasio@f1.n2250.z1.fidonet.org |
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From: hpa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: VM86
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:36:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep3.163633.9995
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Organization: You must be kidding!

In article <richard.715353503@stat.tamu.edu> of comp.os.linux,
> 
> Unfortunately, if this is intended to be a DOS emulator, you are going to 
> have to trap the VGA registers that bank the video ram into and out of
> the memory map.  This could be made easier if sysv shared memory blocks
> were in place.  Create (1M/64K) shared memory blocks, and when the VGA
> registers are twiddled, change the mapping of the memory blocks.
> 
> Also, if it were possible to get at the "page dirty" flag, it would be
> very easy to tell which 4K chunks have been modified.  This without
> needing to service interrupts.  It seems to me that waiting for the 
> alarm and checking all 16 pages at the same time would be faster than
> having the overhead of a (several?) task-switch to service each interrupt.
> 

A question: since we would need to simulate hardware anyway, why not just
simulate CGA or MDA, at least initially?  It would make it a lot simpler,
it seems.

	/hpa


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From: jwinstea@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Subject: Re: Berkeley mail?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:29:58 GMT

In article <17ghshINNbcq@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk writes:
>Sean Eckton (ecktons@sirius.byu.edu) wrote:
>: > Well, the mail program in mailpak is sort of BSDish.  But
>: > why use mail when you can use ELM?
>
>I've just compiled the elm mailer under linux 0.97 and it is really nice!

I can't say I've used 'elm' on Linux, but I have peeked at it on the
local nix box, and it looked okay for a mailer ith a curses interface,
but I vastly prefer 'mush'.  Elm was just a bit *too* friendly for my
tastes.

>: Actually, a better mail system (I think) is PINE.  Take a look at it.  You  
>: might find that it is MUCH better than anything else.  If I remember right,  
>: elm uses vi to do its mail editing.  Pine has a completely different editor  
>
>wrong: elm looks for the EDITOR variable in your environment and you
>can set it to your favourite editor (I use ue).  If you don't setenv
>EDITOR elm will default to a compiled in default (/usr/ucb/vi unless
>you edit the header file).

Also, Pico (the Pine mail editor) is based heavily on MicroEMACS.

Most current programs will look for the EDITOR and PAGER environment
variables.  Those that don't (like *both* Ultrix man(1) programs)
should have their programmers taken out and shot.

Porting Pine to Linux should not be all that difficult, but when I
looked at porting Pico, it relied on sgtty stuff, as I remember, so
some messing around with that stuff will probably be required.  As
someone else has said, though, be prepared to download 1.5MB of
sources.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: christia@latenite.ssc.gov (Mike Christiansen)
Subject: Will this SCSI controller work...
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:40:59 GMT


I am thinking of purchasing one of two controllers to be used on a
368/25 (with linux). The first and least expensive is produced by a
vendor called "Data Technologes"(model number DTC3280). The second is
an Adaptek 1522. The difference between the two is about $25. 

Has anyone used this Data Technologies controller? (it is said to be
Adaptek compatiable)? 
Will the 1522 work ok?

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Controls Group
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MS.4002
Dallas, TX. 75237

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Kevin W. Hammond <hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com>
Subject: receiving comp.os.linux
Reply-To: hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:46:56 GMT

Would someone who gets comp.os.linux be willing to send me that news group?

I do not currently have a news feed, and limited disk space at the moment
prevents me from receiving many news groups.  However, I'd like to prepare to
start with comp.os.linux.

I'm in the process of locating and building at least rn, and maybe C-News as
well.

If you would be willing to do this, please mail me to work out the details.

Thanks.
-kwh-
-- 
Kevin W. Hammond
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From: doug@owl.isis.org (Douglas W Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Rootimage for 0.97
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 11:39:53 GMT
Organization: Quoi! me organized?

Hi all,

Sorry if this message is a repeat, buI think that my initial posting got 
lost somewhere.  Could anyone tell where I could located the rootimage for 
0.97?  I tried to do an Archie request, but nothing for that version came 
up.

Help would be greatly appreciated.

Doug!
From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Porting Elvis 1.6 to Linux...
Date: 25 Aug 92 06:23:54 GMT
Reply-To: LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Manchester

In article <1992Aug24.194404.7488@athena.mit.edu> krouth@etcs03.eld.ford.com writes:
>I tried compiling Elvis 1.6 under Linux (using SYSV section of
>makefile.mix) and it failed.  What special modifications were done to
>port Elvis 1.5 to Linux?  Thanks.

One set of patches, which I used for the MCC interim version 0.96c,
can be found in mcc-interim/0.96c/patches/elvis15.ud.Z.  I've got
1.6 for the next MCC interim Linux.

     -- Owen
     LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
From: harry@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Kuo-Chen Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: install GRASS under Linux
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:52:53 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

Did someone ever try to install GRASS v4.0 under Linux?
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: alawrenc@sobeco.com (a.lawrence)
Subject: Another Linux Installed
Reply-To: alawrenc@sobeco.com
Organization: Lawrence & Assc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 10:24:54 GMT

I just succeed in getting Linux installed on my system today.  Using
the 0.97 images from tsx-11 I had only two small problems.

	a) it took a couple of tries to get the proper sequence
     	using DOS fdisk and Linux fdisk to repartition my hard drive
	sucessfully.  DOS does like non-dos partition in the extented
   	table very much, so I had to delete all the logical partitions
    	and then define the DOS ones first.

	b) mkswap refused to accept the first partition (hda5) for some
	reason.  I just ignored swapping after that (for the moment atleast).

For the record my configuation is:

	386SX 20 MHz clone w/ 4 Meg RAM - AMI BIOS
	Trident 512K 8900 Super VGA
	120 Meg Western Digital Hard Drive
	1.2M 5-1/4 diskette (Drive A)
	1.4M 3-1/2 diskette (Drive B)
	Logitech serial mouse
	2 COM ports + 2400/9600 FAX modem on COM3

After my problems with fdisk it set my hard disk partitions as follows:

	hda1 - 12 Meg DOS boot
	hda2 - 12 Meg Linux boot
	hda3 - 96 Meg Extended
	hda4 - not used
	hda5 - 16 Meg Linux swap (not used at present)
	hda6 - 32 Meg DOS
	hda7 - 32 Meg DOS
	hda8 - 16 Meg DOS

If you want to know why so may partitions its because I never want to
have to do the backup to diskette - resinstall senario again for all
my DOS software.

Today I am a happy bunny, now to re-install Windows & Word Perfect
on DOS.


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