From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Argggg (Job market)
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.183516.13077@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) wrote: 
>->Let me get this right, a head hunter is going to get 30% or more of
>->my earnings and yet I don't have the right to question there refusal
>->to accept responses via e-mail?
>
>absolutely.  you do, however, have the right to vote with your feet
>and take your resume elsewhere.

Its one thing to say that the particular critism is invalid, its another
to say that head hunters are above critism. Are employeers so perfect
that they can never listen to critism?

When the economy is good again I'm sure you will find that most people
won't waste there time with those unwilling to take e-mail.

>i prefer to share my credentials with employers via e-mail whenever
>possible, and i understand why you'd want to do this ... the fact is,
>however, that some people think that hiring managers are interested in
>uudecoding and assembling their resume, printing PostScript which was
>conveniently shipped without required headers or macros, etc.

I'm not asking people to accept obscure formats. 

>->Money is important but personal integrity is more important, if you
>->allow money to influence you to the point where your opinion is always
>->up for sale then you have lost more than a job.
>
>indeed, but this isn't relevant.  what is relevant is what it takes to
>get hired; berating someone in public because you don't like their
>requirements isn't going to (a) win you any points (b) get you hired
>(c) cause you to make friends and influence people positively (d) all
>of the above.  

Just because you control the purse strings doesn't make you
above critism, I see numerous messages from employeers berating
people who dare to think they might not need to wear a suit to 
an interview, but of course this is ok.

I'm selling my abilities not my opinion. If you want to buy an opinion I'm
sure you won't have any trouble find someone. If on the other hand you
bother to contact my references you will find out that I'm one of the best
programmers they ever met, yes I do question some of my employeers
decisions, and I've generally been thanked for it several months later.

Would you rather have me do a good job for you even if it involves
questioning your divinity, or would you rather hire a "perfect employee"
will bail out 1 day before the non functioning disaster they created
hits the market :-)

I've been through this over and over, in the long run I've never regretted
taking an unpopular (incorrect) stand on an issue. However I have extremely
regretted the times I took the "the employeers/customer is always right"
advice. The customer is always right except when there wrong and then its
your fault that it doesn't work....

>-> ... If money was the sole
>->driving force in my life the triangle in my .sig file would be the
>->first thing to go, I've already lost a job to homophobia.
>
>yeah, so what?  lotsa people lose jobs to homophobia.  this has
>nothing to do with your rant: 

I guess any disagreement with an employeer is a rant since employeers
are always right :-)

>employers have the right to specify
>(within reason) how you should present your credentials.  

And I have the right to suggest that they consider other means, and any
reasonable person will consider rather than mounting personal attacks on the
suggestor. 

Actually I think learning C++ and Motif is going to do alot more for my
"marketability" than taking obiedience training :-)
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