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From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gresley news
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:56:03 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <Btv5uA.F38@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>
>Telephoned me Dad in England over the weekend... He doesn't get the local
>newspaper anymore, so isn't sure of how the Rovers have been doing (how
>ironic that I probably know more than him thanks to you all out there!).
>But anyway, he claims he saw a Gresley Rovers score in the "News Of The World"
>this Sunday (August 30th):  He thinks Gresley beat Highgate in an FA Cup
>Preliminary First Round.
>
>Any confirmations from fellow Gresley Rovers fans gleefully accepted :-)
>
     Indeed they did  ... funny how Gresley Rovers results now stick
 in my memory when I scan through the footy results in the paper!

     FA Cup First Preliminary Round :

 Gresley Rovers 4 Highgate Utd. 2

 I can't tell you who scored I'm afraid ... they didn't have a match
 report in either the Times, Observer or Torygraph.

 Regards, Steve.
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE: Attention all R.S.S Mailing List Subscribers: I'm Baaaaack!
Date: 28 Aug 1992 11:04:50 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Welcome back Marco!

I too would like to thank Jean-Francois.  It is a good thing when 
someone voluntarily helps out others. :-)

Francis.
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From: Marco Petroni  <netmail!marco@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU>
To:  <s947607@umslvma.BITNET>
Subject: Attention all R.S.S Mailing List Subscribers: I'm Baaaaack!
Date: Friday, August 28, 1992 8:57AM

Hello soccer fans on the Rec.sport.soccer mailing list!

I'm finally back from my trip to Italy where I got my fair share of
soccer and soccer news over the past few weeks. More on this, though,
in a later post. This message is to inform you, that I'm once
again taking care of the mailing list. This should have happened
a couple of days ago, but the systems have been up and (mostly)
down for the past few days due to problems with the air conditioning
system. In any case, mailing of articles will once again resume
as after you receive this message. There may be a few bugs with the
mailer at first, but these should be quickly sorted out. If there are
any problems at your end, I would appreciate hearing about them, so
that they can be fixed as soon as possible.

Lastly, I would also like to extend my gratitude to Jean-Francois Panisset,
who graciously accepted the task of baby-sitting the list during my absence,
and keeping you all informed with the latest soccer news (and odd flame
war) from the net.

So that's all for now from me, and I now return you to the newsgroup
already in progress... :)

Marco...
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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Quick survey of French results
Date: 3 Sep 1992 11:22:16 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Here are the results, details on Saturday.

Lille-PSG 0-0
Caen-OL 3-2
OM-AJA 2-0
Nantes-LHAC 5-2
Monaco-Lens 2-1
St.Etienne-Toulon 2-0
Sochaux-TFC 1-0
RCS-Metz 1-1
Montpellier-VA 1-3 !!!

Cheers,
Kent
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From: yoon@meaddata.com (Yoonho Ha)
Subject: Re: New FIFA Goalkeeper Rule
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:06:26 GMT

In article <dsc.714832748@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk>, dsc@sys.uea.ac.uk (Dave Cartwright CMP) writes:
|> Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty) writes:
|> 
|> >J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
|> 
|> >>In last night's game between Southampton and Manchester Utd, Keith Monkou
|> >>nudged a ball back to the keeper from just inside the goal-area which the
|> >>goalie handled. From the resulting kick the referee had great difficulty in
|> 
|> 	[ ... a bit deleted ... ]
|> 
|> >>wasted about 2 minutes, so much for keeping the game flowing!
|> 
|> >I would say he was under pressure so a free kick was stupid in this case. A 
|> >rule that is down to how a ref sees the game is no good in these days of such 
|> >unfair refs.
|> 
|> Absolutely. To quote the Sky Sports semi-commentator (you know, the footy
|> pro who sits by the guy who gets paid for talking cobblers), Monkou basically
|> got penalised for a very good piece of defending. As for the resulting indirect
|> free kick ... from that distance you've got sod all chance of getting the ball
|> in the net cos you've got the whole Man. Utd. team stodd on the goal-line. 
|> 
|> Why can't this new rule have instead been a "directive" to the referee rather
|> than a FIFA statute ? They could have said "If people are obviously wasting
|> time by kicking the ball back to the keeper then nick 'em". This would have
|> appended a minor change to the end of the time-wasting guidelines and would
|> have saved this type of incident (of which there will be many hundreds more)
|> from happening !!
|> 
|> (BTW ... like Steve, I don't support either team ... long live Grantham Town)
|> 
|> 	Dave C

I think this rule is going to hurt a lot of the teams below the college level,
if this rule is instituted for that level of play.  I don't about all of you,
but one of the first things I learned when I started playing soccer is that if
you ever get in trouble on defense, pass it back to the keeper.  You're pretty 
much giving the other team a free corner kick or throw-in.

This is just a question, but wouldn't disallowing all pass backs to the 
keeper outside the penalty area get rid most of the time wasting pass backs?
keeper outside the penalty area solve most of the time wasting?  

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From: d5kwedb@dtek.chalmers.se (Kristian Wedberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: European tipping: the numbers.
Date: 29 Aug 92 07:53:19 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

I'd like to collect some statistics on tipping in Europe. Mail or post,
and I'll summarize. For instance:

In Sweden the most common form uses a sheet with 13 games, and you have
3 choices for each game: home victory, tie... To win, you need at least
10 correct games. Each row costs 1 SKr (0.1 pound), minimum winnings are
20 SKr, maximum is 3,000,000 SKr. About 30,000,000 SKr are betted each week,
and 46% is returned as winnings. Of these, 38% goes to 10 correct games,
17% to 11 correct, 18% to 12 correct, 27% to all correct. The games are
both from the Swedish league and the English, depending on season.

Reply to:	d5kwedb@dtek.chalmers.se

	thanks
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Subject: Bolton Wanderers versus Blackpool match report.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:18:31 +0000







         Tuesday 1st September 1992
         Bolton Wanderers 3 Blackpool 0
         Philliskirk 28
         Walker 30
         Green 76
         
         Attendance 7291.
         
         Bolton produced a great performance to storm all over Blackpool
         and inflict a bad blow to their confidence. Blackpool having lost
         all 4 away games they have played this season. The rout started 
         when Scott Green broke away in the 28th minute and stormed past 2 
         players on the right wing, nutmegging one of them. He produced
         a pin point cross which Tony Philliskirk headed down and into the 
         net. Not very long after the kick off Bolton produced some lovely
         passing football on the right wing again. Tonk Kelly played a 
         lovely through ball to Andy Walker in the Blackpool box who turned 
         the Blackpool defence and slotted the ball away from an acute 
         angle. In the second half the first 20 minutes were scrappy. 
         Bolton settled down, the ball fell to Andy Walker on the half way 
         line who produced a lovely first time flick to Julian Darby. He 
         threaded the ball through to Scott Green who ran across the front 
         of the box then cracked a curling shot just inside the post.
         Scott thoroughly deserved this goal for giving the Blackpool 
         defence a torrid time all night and for that he get's my man of 
         the match award.
         
         On of the best Bolton home games I've been to for a good while.

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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: News from Poland
Summary: Wojcik to Legia - why?
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:21:46 GMT

Janusz Wojcik, the successful Polish olympic coach, is now
the coach of Legia Warszawa. I'm just curious, why not of
the Polish national team? Do we really have to wait till
we lose the WC'94 eliminations to throw that incapable
A.Strejlau out ??????!!!!!!

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From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Spurs to sign Sheringham
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:16:00 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

According to todays papers it looks like Spurs are almost certain
to sign Nottingham Forest striker Teddy Sheringham for a fee of 2.1 million
pounds. Moves to buy Sheringham during the close season were blocked by
Brian Clough, but he now seems to have changed his mind. The reason may
be that London born Sheringham has expressed a wish to return south.

Sheringham scored 22 goals last season for Forest and scored the winner
against Liverpool in Forest's first match this season. Let's hope he
can strike up a successful scoring partnership with Gordon Durie and
provide Tottenham with the goals they so desperately need.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ppj@unislc.uucp (Peter Jones)
Subject: spurs-ipswich score
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:10:53 GMT


Ipswich 1 Spurs 1  

(from the BBC world Service)
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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: Potential PR exec
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:46:49 GMT

-- 
>Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
>are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
>America.  If you don't like it - get out of my country.   
>"Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous."

	Some opinions, namely those inciting racial hatred and violence, are
not neccessarily protected. Furthermore not all those who do not like your
opinions live in the US, as for it being your country...well perhaps the
japanese will make you an offer soon :-)



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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New things for the new English Premier League
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:19:36 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
: 
: Referees are wearing green (not black). (Whatever happened to
: tradition......? :-)
: 

	Tradition got sold down the river for a sponsorship deal.:-U:
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From: astro@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Poluekt Shpanets-Shpanion (ne-Shiller))
Subject: World Cup in US
Organization: MIT
Distribution: USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:26:50 GMT


I know that this question has probably been asked more than once, but I just 
started reading this newsgroup:  Where can I get tickets/information for the 
upcoming World Cup, especially in Massachusetts.  Thank you!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: AMERICA(N) RULES 8-)
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:07:19 GMT


Is America trying to destroy football at the grassroots level?  This question
came to mind as I read some of the comments following on from the "Dain
Bramage" thread.  The clutter of rules and adult involvement in the games of
young kids can only be stifling and suffocating the growth and development of
future skills.  Ask Pele and Maradona about the circumstances in which they
grew up and played the game.  Garry Archer's remenisenses of his early days of
playing football were familiar and I'm sure helped to produce a lot of talent.
That talent should then be taken and nurtured using the standard FIFA rules as
much as possible. Ball,pitch and goal size are only scaling down measures(and
rightly so) and have their obvious benefits but the basic rules should remain
the same because on the whole they keep football a free-flowing, accessible and
enjoyable GAME.  Coaching should be done sensibly. We all have seen the cost of
some coaches and parents pushing kids too far.  The great thing about football
when I was young was much as Gary described - the "tanner ba' game"- (forgot
the bottle of "ginger"/ "scoosh"/"etc" i.e. fizzy drink for halftime) easy, fun
and more good for you than dangerous- running about vs waching TV vs
interfering adults vs the odd wallop from a ball or other player.

Maybe I'm just being romantic.  Apologies in advance.
Chris
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin)
Subject: Re: Heading: Dain Bramage?? (in youth soccer)
Organization: Varian Chromatography Systems
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:47:25 GMT

In article <4912@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
>Flame our rules if you must.  Most of them are the suggested mods to FIFA
>rules from the US youth soccer organizations. Our older divisions add
>Full FIFA rules (except tackling), and the travel teams play full FIFA.

OK I will, I beleive that this kind of messing with the game is exactly the
reason that soccer is not more popular with adult Americans.  I grew up
in England and learned to play there, at 8 I was playing for the 
Cub Scout pack and these games were very serious - we really cared
whether we won or lost and were extremely competetive.  I see no reason
to think that American kids are any less competetive and they soon
realise that soccer is not worth playing when everything is made
so meaningless. All the ones with athletic ability go off to play pee wee
football or little league and only the Mummy's boys are left.  These kids
are generally not really interested anyway and soccer gets lost as
the kids get older.  Obviously some good soccer players are produced but
the overall level of interest is very low in teenage kids compared to
baseball, football and basketball (Have you ever seen a game of basketball
between teams of 8 years olds?  They really go at it even on a full
size court with 10 ft baskets.)

Stop messing with the game!

Bob Palin, Varian, Walnut Creek, Ca (510)945-2278, AMA #353696, DoD #257
bob@varian.com {lll-winken,pacbell}!varian!bob     CBR600, ST1100, KLR650
From: pauldv@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: *** MARADONA (present & future) ***
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:31:11 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex


   I am NOT going to bash Maradona for his on-field activities. He has
proven to be one of the most talented players of all time. However, no
single player can be allowed to 'hold a club to ransom', expect them to
give him freedom to come and go, play when and where he wants etc. (all
for huge sums of money), in a sport which is a TEAM game. Sure,
individualism is great, but the team must come first. The best thing
that could possibly happen next year is for Napoli to make sure Maradona
plays no 11-a-side football until his contract expires, and win the
Italian league championship without him. For this I say good luck to
Napoli!
From: roponen@valt.Helsinki.FI
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Friendly Finland-Poland
Summary: A horrible match
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:32:15 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Faculty of Social Sciences

In article <1992Aug27.073647.24140@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:

>Wednesday, August 27.
>FINLAND - POLAND  0:0

>Mean match, especially by Poland.  The Finns were much better,
>had more scoring chances and deserved to win this match. If
>they only were more efficacious.  

I agree. One of the most boring matches this year (I have seen). It seemed 
that Poland was unable to control its offensive play. If they had the ball 
in midfield or near Finnish penalty area, only thing they did, was 
wishing the goal. 

>I wonder why this pseudo-coach
>Strejlau has not yet been thrown out. It's hard to believe it
>was _partly_ the same Poland that won the silver medal in
>Barcelona 92.  How easily can everything be ruined by just
>a stupid, incapable coach!

Finnish commentator said that there was only player from the Polish Olympic 
Team. Is that true? 


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>Michal~ Szleper                          "All you need is love, love,
>(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                      Love is all you need..."


Seppo Roponen                              FC Ruila
(roponen@cc.helsinki.fi)                   Soon in European Cups?
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Anyone want to write a program?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:32:09 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--
In article <9209021417.AA13444@ersboda.cs.umu.se>, dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:
|>Path: 
|>Anyone feeling he wants to write a program (I don't think it's too complicated,
|>but I have definitely not the time for it).
|>
|>What shall the program do:
|>1. Read in a result file of Karel's format.
|>2. Then compiling the table and write it out in a nice format.
|>
|>Now, we are just waiting for the volunteer....

I use one written on VMS by somebody here.  It was written in VAX basic
and the author has marked it internal use only.  It allows you to enter the
fixtures at the beginning of the year and then enter results for a specific week
and calculate the table for that week.  It generally means I stay in late
one night early in the season. enter all the fixtures and then can have 
an updated league table within seconds on Sunday night or Monday morning.

I can't however volunteer to do one.  I really don't have the time and Digital pay me to write other software.  If I eventually get the money to buy
a PC (I would if Ireland didn't have so many matches :-) ) I'll do one but
you'll need anothe rvolunteer for the time being.

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          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: College Top 20 List
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:09:14 GMT

Here are the preseason picks for the top 20 in Division 1.

1. Viginia
2. UCLA
3. St. Louis
4. Indiana
5. Rutgers
6. Wake Forest
7. Santa Clara
8. SMU
9. BU
10. Evansville
11. Furman
12. Fresno St.
13. Adelphi
14. Old Dominion
15. Clemson
16. Seton Hall
17. Yale
18. San Francisco
19. South Carolina
20  Wisconsin

Prime Network will start their coverage of college soccer this month so pay
attenion to your local affiliate for the times of the games.

Andy
From: amudn@warwick.ac.uk (Paul Stowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Greetings
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:17:19 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Coventry greetings
Summary: 
Expires: 
Refereces: <9208260748.aa19625@ingate.microsoft.COM> <1992Aug27.202058.12604@ncar.ucar.edu>
Sender:Paul Stowe 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Keywords:Cov v QPR 
Greetings from Warwick University. 
I have been reading this group for a while, but have never actually sent 
anything, so this is really a test.
However, I am the Deputy Sports Editor of W963, our university radio station, 
so I actually go to quite a few games to report for our show. I will try and 
send some reports through the group.
I was at Coventry v QPR on Wednesday (final score Cov 0 QPR 1) for a game
which was a lot more entertaining than the press made out.

In the 2nd half, having made their 2 substitutions, had to take Michael Gynn 
off with an injury and so played the last 20 minutes with only 10 men. Do the 
new sub regulations prevent them from bringing on their reserve goalie as an
outfield player in situatoins like these??

OK, I'll be back soon,

Paul Stowe - Hull City for Division 2 title!!
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