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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:51:51 -0500
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      David Lynch & Michael McDonald

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Subj:   RE: *Fire Walk With Me*

I can't believe that Michael McDonald actually liked TWIN PEAKS: FIRE
WALK WITH ME - It seemed to me that Lynch was trying to make the worst
movie possible on purpose (bad acting, poor editing, incoherent set
and costume design, medicore music, etc.) - I have a lot of respect
for Lynch's work _ I for one think that WILD AT HEART is a great movie
and the stuff people hate about it are exactly the things he wanted to
show (underscore the excesses of American cinema) - I think that
put in the context of all of Lynch's work TPFWWM may make sense - It's
still one of the hworst movies ever made by anybody, but it may be a
nice footnote to some of the ideas in Lynch's other work - OF course
Michael may have seen something that I didn't see - The test I think
will be who will care about this film five, ten, or fifty years from
now -
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:28:15 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Ken Crane's

Jim Thompson,
Obviously I screwed up the remainder of my last message on Ken Crane's.
I had a second thought: check on Red Shoes availability if it's no problem,
but since I'm going to order a few items from them Friday or Saturday, I can
ask for that one too at that time, so don't go out of your way on my account.
It would be interesting to know--for me as well as Fern--if the Dean collec-
tion is still available after all this time.  JC
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:43:00 EST
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Subject: Re: Rolando's Remakes and Best Line in Hard Way

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     25-Jan-1993 10:35am EST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: re:  Rolando's Remakes and Best Line in Hard Way

I'm catching up on everything I missed during The Days of Silence, and I see a
common thread here . . .

Concerning the best line from The Hard Way (in reference to tying a certain
body appendage in a knot):  sounds like a new form of safe sex to me.
Therefore, perhaps we could recycle that line and use it (in lieu of weapons)
in Bored Rolando's remake of Thelma & Louise . . . ?  Might save everybody a
heckuva lotta trouble, the second time around. . . .

Just a suggestion.

Anita
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Subject: Re: Dominic's Top 5
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:07:22 GMT
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>
>The Commitments reminds me of Sister Act and Back to the future II.
>First of all, BTTF II had to be the lamest movie ever made! It was
>exactly like the first and 3rd ones. Back to the future I was the only
>movie to break any new ground.


> That II was a remake of I and III and remake of both, is very
> much part of the humour involved. If you missed that you would
> miss out on the full enjoyment of each film. Obviously not a
> true "Backker" ehhhh ?
>
>                  Dominic.

I have to agree with Dominic. The trilogy was a continuing saga, and
if you're going to travel back in forth in time, familiar scenarios
are bound to crop up. In part II, I enjoyed the sequence in which
Marty uses a hoverboard in the future to escape from Biff and his
gang, which was basically an update of when he used the bottom
half of the scooter in 1955. And the idea of Marty trying to avoid
bumping into himself (footage from part 1) in the past was brilliant.
Did anyone notice that Elisabeth Shue replaced the actress who played
Jennifer in part II?
Does anyone know what part Elijah Wood (kid from Mel Gibsons "Forever
Young") played in "BTTF II"? I don't remember him in it.
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Subject:      The Silence of the List

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     26-Jan-1993 11:03am EST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: The Silence of the List

Does anyone know what is up with this list?  I did not receive any mail last
Friday, had 50 messages waiting for me yesterday, and this morning I have not
heard a word.  Is it the list?  Is it my computer?  OR does everyone just not
want to play with me anymore?

Taking my toys and going home,
Ellen
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:21:00 EST
From:         AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU
Subject:      Re: Bonehead Actors

Well, I guess Dolph sounds a lot more intelligent when he's speaking
Swedish.  In English, he sounds like a real bonehead!

Adrian
Clemson
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:43:51 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: OLD MOVIE RECASTING

Lyle,

Right about Carpenter's often-maligned remake of The Thing.  It *is* closer
to the novella, and does pretty well considered on its own.  Someone else also m
   entioned Scorsese's remake of Cape Fear--one I overlooked as an obvious impro
   ve-ment on the original.  JC
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:12:24 GMT
From:         DOMINIC PLANT <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: Great Actors/esses

On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 12:38:54 -0600 <CDOMS@UMKCVAX1> said:
> Hard Way(?) I'm not sure of the title, it stars James Woods
>and Michael J Fox as the actor following Wood's tough cop around, to
>prepare for a role.  I seem to recall it got mixed reviews.  Standard
>cop/buddy type film, but it was fun.

   It was very funny, I too didnt get it for a long time, foolishly
   believing that the critics new something about movies....

   Which brings me to my top three    actors, who would make me
   want to see a film..........

                    1.   Michael J Fox  ( excellent )
                    2.   Harrison Ford.
                    3.   Arnie.

   I can think of  other top actor/actres who would influence me
   but they dont rate in the same list as the above three.......
   they are......

                      Sean Connery,
                      Wyona Ryder,
                      Robin Williams,
                      Cher,
                      Darryl Hanna,
                      Fletch aka as ?,
                      John Candy,
                      and the guy from When Harry Met Sally
                      cant think of his name.

                           Dominic.
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Subject: Re: In the pipeline
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:47:17 GMT
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In a previous article, $W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET (Rolando Recometa) says:

THE HAND THAT ROCKS THE CRADLE II - The Bartels recently have another baby
and hire a young college co-ed (played by the rather well-endowed
Jennifer Connolly) as a nanny.  Little do the Bartels realize the their
new nanny is the younger sister of fence ornament Peyton.  Look for cameos
by Wally George as himself and Tom Cruise as a Princeton dropout.

THELMA AND TINA LOUISE - Thelma survived the plunge into the Grand Canyon
and meets former castaway Ginger while in prison.  The two brunettes break
out with the the warden's wise-cracking son in tow (played by - who else? -
Macaulay Culkin).  Thelma and Ginger and Mac track down and shoot the
Skipper and Professor but they are too late to save the life of Mary Ann
who is a Hollywood Boulevard drug addict hooked on something the Professor
invented while working for Dr. Kervorkian.  Ginger is caught by the LAPD
and rats out Thelma.  Thelma has no choice but to team up with Gilligan for
the grand finale.  Look for cameos from Tim Robbins and Brad Pitt who play 
two racist LAPD cops.

THE CATWOMAN AND THE RIDDLER - When the mayor is assassinated for illegally
hiring a Peruvian couple, Bruce Wayne is forced to assume Gotham's highest
office.  The newest villian is the Riddler, a buffed-up fast talking wiseacre
played by Joe Piscopo.  Catwoman is played this time around by Sean Young
who replaced Michelle Pfeiffer six days into shoot when Pfeiffer found out
that she no longer could fit into the Catwoman suit.  Look for cameos from
Robin Williams as an out-of-work toy maker, and Spike Lee as a city hall
janitor.

j.




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From: szopinsk@picard.med.ge.com (Jerry Szopinski Mfg 4-6983)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS missing footage?
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:11:55 GMT

Brodie H Brockie (brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU) wrote:
: moviegoers-
:     My friends and I were watching Star Wars on video recently and noticed
: something odd. It's the scene where Luke and Leia are fleeing from
: Stormtroopers and are forced to swing across a chasm on Luke's grappling hook.
: The weird part was that Luke made the throw on the first try, but my friends
: and I all vivedly remember Luke missing the throw on his first try when we saw
: it in the theatre. Addmittedly that was a long time ago and we were quite
: young... but all four of us?
:     Does anybody else remember this or is it something in the water where I
: live? If somebody does remember do they know why and if anything else was
: removed from this classic?


I believe you're right, Brodie.  Unfortunatly a lot of videos in stores nowadays
are copies of versions used on commercial TV and included all the cuts made
to the film in order to fit it to the network's time schedule.  Some of these
edited copies even make their way to HBO, et.al.  I've watched some movies on
my premium channel and found myself saying "What?  What happened to the scene
where..." many times.  There should be someway that we can make sure that we're
not getting these hacked-up versions, like a disclaimer saying that it was edited
for television.


Jerry


"It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave and keep on
thinking free!"  --  Moody Blues




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From:         Colm 'O Riordan <oriordan_w@CSVAX1.UCC.IE>
Subject:      RE: Best of best of

Best Of Intentions : I can't remember who directed it but Bergman wrote the
screenplay and was involved in the producton ,I think.
                                                   Colm
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Subject:      Re: MST3K

>Does anyone know what's on MST3K this weekend???
>
>Jim Thompson
>

From what I understand of the scheduling, the Friday night
late night shows are repeats.  And the Saturday early
evening shows are "new".  I don't know what this
Friday night's show will be, but if the pattern
is consistent, Saturday evening's show should be
(#423) _Manos-the Hands of Fate_.  Though I'm not positive
about this.  Let's see #421 is Monster A Go-Go, #422, The
Day The Earth Froze (which was two Saturdays ago), #424 is
Bride of the Monster (which was this last Saturday), which
leaves #423, unless I missed a Saturday, which could
be a real possibility.

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:31:49 -0500
From:         David M Stein <STEIN@LTUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jobs before Acting

Folks,

  John Cleese (The Python Films, "A Fish Called Wanda") has a law degree
but never took the bar.

  Edger Bucanhan (SP:) (Tons of Westerns, TV's "Petticoat Junction") was a
practicing Dentist.

Dave
Stein
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From:         JSORIANO@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Turkey?

I'm in my dorm room with the TV on. Would a movie with Desi Arnaz Jr.'s
name ABOVE the title qualify as a turkey alert?

Jo Ann
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Date: 26 Jan 93 18:13:02 GMT
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Thanks.  Wow.  So, it looks like "Scent of a Woman" will win the best picture
award at the Oscars.  They say that whichever film that wins the best picture
at the Golden Globes, will do the same at the Oscars.

Euge
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:57:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      MST3K

Well, I guess I have to call that number they list and join up!
We've been following MST3K for a few weeks and are addicted.  But
we didn't hear about it from a fan -- read about it in TV Guide,
believe it or not.

Jim
Thompson@ucrvms
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Subject: Re: Elfman and the Remake
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:25:59 GMT
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Carol,

Based on his track record so far, I'd say that's a safe bet.  JC
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From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jacquie and unexpected Oscars

Jacquie,
     Of the three biopics, Malcolm X is definitely the best. I think
Denzel, Al Pacino, and Clint Eastwood are gonna fight it out for best
actor. The buzz on Malcolm X was a lot stronger when it first came out
but the box-office response has been cold. Perhaps the public is a
little tired of controversy, and Spike Lee does tend to toot his horn
just a little too much. Anyway, Malcolm X might resurface come Oscar
time. Al Freeman, Jr. is a contender. The academy might be unfamiliar
with his other work and that might work against him. Other contenders
for supporting include Gene Hackman(he'll win), Al Pacino(Glengarry),
Nicholson(A Few Good Men), Chris O'Donnell(Scent), Tom Skerritt(River).

                                                      Rolando
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Subject: Remaking older films
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:56:00 GMT
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Well, why don't we gop right to the top and see what happens:  Hitchcock
himself remade THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH, in color with bigger
stars, and I challenge anyone to sit through "Que Sera, Sera"
and tell us the remake is a better picture!

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 13:39:58 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      How many references can you find...

Was watching Batman Returns again.  And was struck this time around to
the literary references to the story of Moses.  (I.E. the Penquin's
carriage floating in the water, and the attempt at killing of the first
born, to be exact).  I was also thinking, duh,  how did I miss that
one the first time through?  But then the movie is so visually over-
whelming, I guess it is easy to miss that.

Other references I have noticed or has been discussed before.

Masque of Red Death, from the party scene.
Max Shreack (Sorry about the spelling)
Phantom of the Opera, (Penquin's hideout)

I know there are others, can't think of them now.  (But I'm sure
I'll get help) :) :)

Carol Doms
University of Missouri-Kansas City
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From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Old movie recasting

>
> a remake of Ball of Fire would be nice too.  instead of swing, they could
> investigate house/rap/rave/thrash music.  Steve Martin would be good in
> the Gary Cooper/Danny Kaye role.
>
> j.

        Who would you have play Barbara Stanwyck?  Sister Soulja?  :-)

                                                                Alex
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From:         Alex <PNYSCAL@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Remakes revisited

There seems to be a tendency on remakes lately, so I thought I'll send
this in.
Does anyone remember the original Ben Hur? I haven't seen it, but heard
that the remake (the one that won the oscar lot) was much better than
the original.
If anyone has any info on it send it in...

Alex!
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From:         Brodie H Brockie <brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      STAR WARS missing footage?

moviegoers-
    My friends and I were watching Star Wars on video recently and noticed
something odd. It's the scene where Luke and Leia are fleeing from
Stormtroopers and are forced to swing across a chasm on Luke's grappling hook.
The weird part was that Luke made the throw on the first try, but my friends
and I all vivedly remember Luke missing the throw on his first try when we saw
it in the theatre. Addmittedly that was a long time ago and we were quite
young... but all four of us?
    Does anybody else remember this or is it something in the water where I
live? If somebody does remember do they know why and if anything else was
removed from this classic?
                          May the Force be with you,
                             -Brodie
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:35:12 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Crime movies

Derek,

From your comments, I have no way of knowing how extensive your experience of
gangster-related films--recent and not so recent--is, so here're a few ideas
off the top of my head that may or may not be of interest to you.

1.  Good choices for the Scorcese and Coppola epics.  Among recent films, you
might also check out Miller's Crossing.  As someone else pointed out, its
mob setting may actually be incidental, but that doesn't detract from the
ganster flavor I assume (believe it or not, I still haven't seen MC myself.)

2.  For an older film, look up John Boorman's Point Blank with Lee Marvin.
Sort of a surreal gangster film--well ahead of its time for the cinematic
mainstream stylistically, and I only really appreciated it myself some time
after its initial release (1967).  It's on my mind because--at long last--
MGM is due to deliver a letterboxed laserdisc of it shortly.

3.  Even further back, don't miss Jimmy Cagney in White Heat (1949, I think).
This is no longer "mob" territory in the contemporary sense, but it's got
one of Cagney's most viciously riveting performances.

4.  Coming closer to the present again--but leaving our shores over here--is
a film I'm fond of but you'd have to catch on TV, since I think it isn't
currently distributed on video.  It's Mike Hodges' Get Carter--a Michael
Caine vehicle from about 1971.  In fact, I sorta look at it as an English
Point Blank. Caine is a tough hood who travels to the seedy industrial area
of northern England to find out why his brother was killed. It's a fascinating
look at English gangsters of the period, with a cynical and hardbitten plot
line that spares no one.  For a more recent view of English gangsters, you
might try John Mackenzie's The Long Good Friday of a few years back; it's
got Bob Hoskins in it.

(By the way, Derek, you'll have to forgive me for being very director-oriented
...that's what all those names with possessives attached before each title are
in reference to, in case you were wondering!)  Jeff Clark
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From:         lkrevit@BITE.DB.UTH.TMC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Lost Horizons

    the original message from Joe:

    <I checked this out the other night on TNT, and
    <while it was well done and interesting, the characters
    <never quite grabbed me and made me care about them
    <like Capra was able to do to me in _A Wonderful Life_
    <and _Mr. Smith Goes to Washington_.


    Joe:

    sorry you felt this way about my absolute most favorite film
    in the history of the cinema (just kidding . . .sorta.).
    Actually, it is a film somewhat more bound to its era than many
    of the b&w classics, but that is probably why I love it so, the
    twenties and thirties being a specialty of mine.

    Anyway, I'm glad you gave it a shot. Try it again in about
    ten years; it might grow on you.

    Ciao.

    Leah
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