From: Ramin Shamsili, Dep. Inorganic Chemistry,7034,Trondheim,Norway (Ramin G. Shamsili)
Subject: Re:    I don't know anymore
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:27:55 GMT

In article <93012.001318RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> Reza Modarres, RMODARR@auvm.american.edu writes:
>     I used to think we are a great nation.

Well AghA RezA, what makes you think we are not? What is the definition of a great nation? One that has a reputation of conquering other territories? or one that for example has survived the ups and downs and difficulties and disasters during centuries and still has preserved (or rather maintained) an identity thanks to her culture and inhibitants efforts?

> I used to believe in Iranian way of life and Iranian value system. I used to believe that educated Iranians have added so much to our culture and are having an impact on the negative aspects of our culture. I used to think people should be judged based on who they are and what they are about regardless of race, color ... you know the rest... I used to hold dearly the idea that we "the great nation of Iran with 2 zillion years of civilization" are void of basic faults. I used to think that Iranians who've



 spent a life time abroad, who have the IQ to distinguish between shit and shazma, have selected the best of both worlds.  But, I am sorry to report on my latest findings..

  Now after this intoduction Im really excited about your findings; here they come :

> I am coming to the realization that civilization and culture are invesrly proportional.
>I am sorry to say that a great number of us, having spent a great deal of time in a so called civilized culture, having had to misfortune of being discriminated against, ...

 [Stuff deleted for brevity, but do wait, he has still some more findings:]
 
> are still suffereing from what may have led us to come to this land. I am sorry to say I still see prejudice, envy, dark-heartdness, ... in a large number of us. I am sorry to say that.......
> I am simply disappointed in what many of us have accomplished and yet not
>     accomplished. I am just too sorry to continue putting ourselves down.
>


RezA Djan, do excuse me for not understanding a single bit of your reasoning( Im sure you have some real arguements), but to me it seems that your description fits any other nation (with 2 or less zillion years of civilisation) as well as ours. 
If you get in touch with other foreigners in any other country, you will notice that almost every aspect of the Iranian behaviour outside Iran can be observed among them ae well. Either you talk to Turkish workers in Germany or Turkish political immigrants, Palestinians in Jordan, USA or Phillipines, Tamils (from SriLanka) in Norway etc... you can hear your disappontments from their mouth!

What Im trying to say is that your findings are only ONE SIDE of any human who leaves outside his/her country.
Doost-e aziz,why are you so pessimistic? Im certainly not in the position to give you or any one else any nasihat, but I think its better not to judge people primarily based on their nationality, but rather more on their individual characteristics. Im sure if we do so, we will find a lot of nice people,  both Iranian and khAreji !, around us.

May your sad days end quite soon and your diappointments get replaced with optimism.

ramin...

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