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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: assigning lta device numbers
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:55:30 +1200
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep28.161815.66@wronz.org.nz>, trounson@wronz.org.nz writes:
> 
> We are about to install DECprint Printing Services for VMS 4.1. The release
> notes mention that it is important to assign high LTA device numbers for
> printers on decservers. Why? 

The problem arises when you reboot. If your users are very keen to log on, 
you will find that by the time you start up your printers, there have been 
a few login attempts, and the low LTA numbers may already be in use. We had 
that problem a few years ago, and now start numbering from LTA100 or so. 
There are other features in V5.5 which prevent that sort of thing 
happening, by not requiring you to explicitly request a port number.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: wmelseai@eos.ncsu.edu (WAEL MAZEN ELSEAIDY)
Subject: Help Pseudoterminal 
Originator: wmelseai@c00450-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: wmelseai@eos.ncsu.edu (WAEL MAZEN ELSEAIDY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:34:07 GMT


I am trying to write a Pseudoterminal in c. Did anyone write something like
this before?. Also can we use OPCOM with a pseudoterminal (i.e., can we
do req/r to a pseudoterminal)?.

Thanks

-Wael
From: ecco@rniwh.rni.sub.org (Martin Sckopke)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS mail and binary files
Date: 27 Sep 92 09:24:12 GMT
Organization: Not organized in any way

carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:

>>$ MAIL/FOREIGN filename.ext recipient

>It can also be invoked from within MAIL:

>MAIL> SEND/FOREIGN filename.ext

There seems to be a problem when using send/foreign or mail/foreign using
poor mans routing and psi.mail:

I tried to do sth. like mail/foreign filename.ext recipient
where recepient may be 'psi%123412341234::another_node::user',
where 'another_node' is connected to 123412341234 via DECnet,
which did not work. CSS told me this is not supported. I was using
VMS 5.3 and PSI 4.3 (or was it 4.1 :-()
Could anybody comment on this ? Or is there a trick to do it anyway ?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: kjain@lotus.com (Kamal Jain)
Subject: Re: Bad directory file format
Keywords: vms disk directory allocation end
Organization: Lotus Development Corp.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:17:13 GMT

In article <18SEP92.01112256@moleng.ucsc.edu> wipke@moleng.ucsc.edu writes:
(some stuff deleted)
>%DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening USER:[users_name]*.*;* as input
>-RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed
>-SYSTEM-W-BADIRECTORY, bad directory file format
>
>The command may have been SET FILE/END [...]*.*;*, anybody understand what
>happened and why?
>

I don't know how to fix this, but I do know what happened.  A set file/end
takes the actual size of a file and makes it match the allocation size.
Try taking a simple file that is one or two lines of text and shows up with
size of 1/3 blocks on a dir/size=all, and doing a set file/end on that file.

You will find that the file has been padded with carriage returns to now be
the full 3 blocks.  I made the mistake of doing it to an EDTINI.EDT file once
and I could not figure out why I always got zapped down to the bottom of
a file when trying to edit it, and gots lots of complaints from EDT.

I imagine this user has done a very bad thing do the directory file, and
since I have seen people do it, I would love to see the fix myself.  Anyone
got the answer?

- kamal
-- 
Kamal Jain, Information Systems & Support - Production Control Coordinator
Lotus Development Corporation, 55 Cambridge Parkway, Cambridge, MA 02142
uucp: kjain@lotus.com  voice: +617 693 8581  fax: +617 693 1185
From: simons/G=Colin/I=CB/S=Sewell/O=H.A.Simons.Ltd/OU=CORP@mhs.attmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DCL procedure to extract nodename from PID
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:34:34 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	to extract a nodename from a PID, why not use
	F$GETJPI(PID,"NODENAME")? or is this supposed to work
	on an early version of VMS?
						Colin Sewell
						h a simons ltd.
						vancouver, bc
From: byron@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: CMD CDI-4000 DSSI>SCSI on VAX 4000-100
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:49:32 GMT

Does the CMD CDI-4000 DSSI to SCSI adapter look like a single DSSI node to
the host?  I'd like to do the following:


+--------------+  +----------+
| Vax 4000-100 |--| CDI-4000 |---- SCSI --- DEV1 ---- DEV2 --- ... DEV7
+--------------+  | DSSI #1  |
                  +----------+
                        |
                  +----------+
                  | CDI-4000 |---- SCSI --- DEV1 ---- DEV2 --- ... DEV7
                  | DSSI #2  |
                  +----------+
                        |
                        .
(up to 8 DSSI nodes?)   .
                        .

I've heard that the practical limit on the SCSI bus is 4 devices, so if
I need more than 4 SCSI devices on a Vax 4000-100 running VMS, can I use
multiple CMD CDI-4000(AC) adapters "daisy-chained" as shown above?  If
so, how are the drives addressed in terms of their unit numbers?  I did 
read in Digital Review (Aug 10,1992) that using CDI-4000's on a 4000-300
allows access to as many as 98 devices, but they didn't explain how this
was accomplished.

Also, I noted in a recent add that CMD is selling kits to integrators, so
they can easily create products like four disk SCSI subsystems for DSSI.
Does anyone know of any companies assembling such a product?

Thanks, and always I'll summarize to this group.

:byron
________________________________________________________________________
Byron Draudson, Systems Manager               byron@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca
Radiology, Foothills Hospital, Calgary, Alberta, Canada   (403) 670-2442
From: DEREK@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Wanted:Program code to SET UIC
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Let's just say that I am "impressed" at this foo.mar that appears to have
been sent from DEC's Colorado Customer Support Center.

>	Check out the following....this foo.mar file can be used from a
>captive account to change the UIC of the user to a different process name.
>This will enable the user to exectute tasks bound to a specific user ID.
>This example was used to allow captive users to change there process name in
>order to read their mail...

Process name??  OK, I am being picky.  But I figure most people will read
and believe the description.  ("You mean I can do a 'SET PROCESS /NAME=EHUD'
and read Ehud's MAIL?)    :)

	...code edited for brevity...

>.SUBTITLE CMKRTN	- KERNEL MODE ROUTINE
>.PAGE
>.ENTRY	CMKRTN, ^M<>
> 
>	MOVL	G^CTL$GL_PCB,R0			;GET THE PCB ADDRESS
>	MOVL	UIC, PCB$L_UIC(R0)		;GET THE NEW UIC
>	MOVL	PCB$L_JIB(R0), R0		;NOW GET THE JIB ADDRESS
>	MOVC5	USRDSC+DSC$W_LENGTH, @USRDSC+DSC$A_POINTER, -
>		#^A/ /, #^D12, JIB$T_USERNAME(R0) ;CHANGE THE USERNAME
>	MOVL	#SS$_NORMAL,R0			;SET OK RETURN CODE
>	RET

Curious.  This routine does not bother to save/restore registers R1-R5,
although it does trash them with the MOVC% instruction.  Hint: don't
call this as a subroutine without fixing it.

One more comment.  Apparently most people who do "this sort of thing"
are thoroughly privileged, and don't notice problems which this would
produce for non-privileged users.  If you change your UIC group number,
and reduce your privileges, you may see errors during logical name
translation as you will not be able to look into  your original group
logical name table, as the protection for group logical name tables is
normally (RWED,R,R,).

-Derek S. Haining
 University Computing Services
 University of Washington
 Seattle, Washington  98195 
 (206) 543-5579

 DEREK@MAX.BITNET
 DEREK@MAX.U.WASHINGTON.EDU
From: eesb2mm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How can one pass command line parameters to an image with Run?
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:41:13 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <01GPE1WCAFLC000FG7@BENTLEY.BITNET>, TKENNETT@BENTLEY.BITNET writes:
>>Someone which did NOT suply a email-address asked:
>>
>>> I have a minor problem. I`m doing a program in VAX C and I need to pass a
>>> name of some directory to the program in the command line.
>>>
>>> But the HELP RUN IMAGE doesn`t really help and "RUN my_prog.exe somedir"
>>> doesn`t work either.
>>
>>Try:
>>
>>MY_PROG:==$disk:[dir]MY_PROG.EXE
>>MY_PROG somedir
>>
>>The keyword is "foreign command".
>>
>         How about:
> 
>         $ Run My_prog.exe
>         $ deck
>         somedir
>         $ eod
> 

What's wrong with

# include <stdio.h>

main(argc,argv)

{

printf("Your command line has %n arguments.\n",argc);

printf("The first argument is %s.\n",argv[1]);


}

I think that might do it but don't ask me - I'm crap at C

Malcolm MacArthur                      Dundee Institute of Technology

EESB2MM@uk.ac.dct
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: VAX C - missing strftime???
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:50:07 GMT


In article <01GPAGA0RBNM9I47EW@kopc.hhs.dk>,
ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj) writes:
|>
|>> I find this hard to believe, but me and my linker are unable to
|>> locate the ANSI C library routine strftime().  It does exist,
|>> doesn't it?
|>
|>Here at VMS 5.5 strftime is in SYS$LIBRARY:VAXCRTL.OLB, but not in
|>SYS$SHARE:VAXCRTL.EXE  !
|>
|>So you could try link with the object-library instead.
|>
|>I do not know why it is not in the shareable image ! Does anyone know why ?

It's a bug.  The code is in VAXCRTL.EXE, but the entry point isn't in the
shareable image's universal symbol list, so you can't get at it.  The problem
is fixed in the DEC C RTL shareable image (coming soon to a VMS system near
you).

--PSW
From: ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Postscript viewing on VXT2000 terminal
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:34:03 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

I have a color VXT 2000 terminal, and I want to display postscript files on it.
However when I use the CDA viewer with the input file type as PS I get the 
error message that the Server does not have Postscript Extension. I am 
assuming that it means my terminal does not have a postscript extension, and
I am wondering if anyone out there knows how I can get one. Is this a hardware
problem? Or is it something I can change with software. My Co-workers who
have standalone workstations seem to be able to view postscript on their 
screens easily. Finally I noticed that on the Customize X Server menu
choice on the terminal manager there is a box for an XIE Image Extension.
I read in the manual that this requires an extra board. Does this have anything
to do with the Postscript extension? Thanks in advance for any and all help!

							Tom
From: PETERSC0@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU (Ghost in the -Turing- Machine)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Ingres/VMS  application crashes: Why?
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:23:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Bruce-

    What versions of Ingres and VMS are your running?  Ingres 6.4/01 
(and moreso in 6.4/02) has very good fixes on most platforms...  Beyond
that statement, I may not be any help.  I am running Ingres 6.4/01 on
AIX machines at the moment.

-Chris Petersen
 Enterprise Systems Associates
 Petersc0@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
 Petersc0@vuctrvax.bitnet
 (yes, that's a zero in the username)
From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: XMODEM from Vax/vms?
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:36:18 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

  This may be a simple question, but I've spent all night combing various
Archie's and sugested ftp's to no avail.  Does anyone know anywhere where I
can get a copy of an .exe that will let me download from a vax/vms system
using the XMODEM protocol?

I have rz and sz .exe's, but the term I'm using on my Mac only supports
Kermit (which doesn't seem to want to work), and xmodem....and I'm in no
position to spring for a new term program right now...(ah, the plight of
a student..)

Thanks all,




-- 
+--------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here---------+
  Mark C. Langston   |  "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny."                 
  Psychology Dept.   |  "Always listen to experts.  They'll tell you what can't
  Memphis State U.   |     be done, and why.  Then do it."                      
      "Pftph!"       |           -From the notebooks of Lazarus Long
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Seeking beta sites for Pony Express mail gateway
Date: 28 Sep 1992 22:42:53 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <10480@gollum.twg.com>, deven@twg.com (Deven) writes:

[29 lines of shameless advertising omitted]

>	Currently we are soliciting beta sites to run the new Pony Express 
>	mailer to test the BITNET and UUCP support.  If you would like to be 
>	a beta site, please contact:

Did anyone else think this seemed more like a commercial than a request for
beta test sites?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: RE: Utility to delete 0 block file
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:58:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> > I am looking for a file utility that deletes 0 block file. Is such a utility
> > available?
> 
> Don't know of a utility, but a RENAME of that file to another will cause
> RMS to "lose the file", i.e., it will be deleted.

????

A little experiment showed, that it do NOT on my system (VMS V5.5-1) !

AND I find it hard to believe, that RENAME will do this on any VMS
version !

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: Sahir.Siddiqui@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Sahir Siddiqui)
Subject: help with vms lexicals
Summary: lexical for "Location"
Keywords: lexical, location
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:39:37 GMT

	I don't know exactly how to explain this, but here
goes.  When I do a finger at my node, i get a listing
of users, with their locations - terminal server ports, lat
ports, etc...
	What I need is to determine the location of a given
user, in a program - preferably in DCL.  I was wondering if
there was a lexical to do this for me.  I would appreciate
someone pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks,
-Sahir
 u93_ssiddiqu@vaxa.stevens-tech.edu
 u93_ssiddiqu@stevens.bitnet
 sahir.siddiqui@bbs.oit.unc.edu



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From: YOUNG@tattoo.cs.widener.edu (Rob Young)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: PD licensing scheme
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:26:15 GMT
Organization: Widener University Department of Computer Science, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.cs.widener.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

I think that one of our customers is not going to pay for their maintenance and
since they are a foreign account there is no real recourse.  Is there a
licensing scheme available similar to what many 3rd party software packages
use?
			Thanks,
				Rob

                                                     young@tattoo.cs.widener.edu
"Drawn like moths we drift into the city, the timeless old attraction. Cruising 
  for the action.  Lit up like a firefly, just to feel the living night."
       -- Neil Peart 
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ORAKEL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Framstag)
Subject: Re: .com files
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:51:02 GMT
X-Copyright1: Fuer Veroeffentlichungen AUSSERHALB des Newssystemes gelten MEINE Geschaeftsbedingungen.
X-Copyright2: Nichtbeachtung wird in der Regel zivil- und strafrechtliche Folgen nach sich ziehen.
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <Bv93tM.2rC@acsu.buffalo.edu> v086mf45@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

> 
> Could anyone recommend a good FTP site where I can get useful .com files?
> 
> Thanks alot!

take a look at info.rz.uni-ulm.de  pub/VMS/dcl


\  Ulli 'Framstag' Horlacher    \    psi%0262450502601::rzmain::orakel  \
 \  Student consultant VAX/VMS and networks   \  orakel@dulruu51.bitnet  \
  \  Rechenzentrum  Universitaet Ulm  Germany  \    orakel@rz.uni-ulm.de  \
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From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DCL says 1 = 0 (puzzle)
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:58:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: kopc.01GPK185C3G28WW2N2
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Neil Readwin writes:

> 	write sys$output "''f$csid(1) ''f$csid(1)"
> 
> will set the symbol '1' to the value 0 on one of our machines. Neil.

Yes, but that is because you are running it on a single-node system.

In general on a N node cluster, the first N F$CSID(1) calls will put
a context value in 1 and the N+1 F$CSID(1) call will put a 0 in 1 (as
we want) and the afterwards F$CSID(1) calls will fail.

So if we want a general solution, we can not use this one, because we do
not know the number of cluster nodes (if we were allowed to use more
than one line, then we could easily make a loop, but ...).

F$PID(1) will act exactly the same way (where N is the number of processes
your username has on current node), except that it will not fail but
start over again.

But know we are getting close !

F$CSID is hard to control, but F$PID can we control with F$CONTEXT !

So:

$ tmp=f$context("process",1,"username","\\\\","eql")+f$pid(1)
$ sh symb 1

Comments ?

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK
From: SYSTEMM@FRED.ALHRG.WPAFB.AF.MIL (System Manager Wuest)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: Wildcard filename as arg. to DCL-script
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:51:05 GMT
Organization: The Internet


meyer@geomatic.no (Harald Martens Meyer) writes:
> I'm trying to make a DCL-script that will take as input from the user,
> a filename, and do something with that file.
> 
> My problem arises when I try to make the same thing work with
> wildcards allowed in the filename.
> 
> I'm looking for something like this:
> $   FILENAMES :== 'F$SEARCH("<argument>")'
> 
> where <argument> is the what the user types as filename.

I guess I don't understand.  The following works fine for me ?-)

$!   CLEANUP.COM
$!   Routine to TYPE files, then inquire about DELETEing them
$!   P1 is filename.type   Actually a TYPE/DELETE/CONFIRM command
$!
$!  Created 18 AUG 92   Michael E. Wuest
$!
$     found = ""
$  START:
$     IF P1 .NES. ""  THEN GOTO GOTTA_NAME
$     READ/PROMPT="Enter filename.type " SYS$COMMAND P1
$     P1 = F$EDIT(P1,"UPCASE")
$     IF P1 .EQS. "EXIT"   THEN GOTO END
$     GOTO START
$!
$  GOTTA_NAME:
$     file = F$SEARCH("''P1'",1)
$     IF file .EQS. ""  THEN GOTO END
$     found = "HIT"
$     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Filename:  ''file'"
$     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ""
$     WAIT 00:00:02
$     TYPE 'file
$  ASK_DEL:
$     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ""
$     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Filename:  ''file'"
$     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ""
$     READ/PROMPT="Delete this file ? [N]o " SYS$COMMAND del 
$     IF .NOT. del  THEN GOTO GOTTA_NAME
$     DELETE 'file
$     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ""
$     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''file'  Deleted... "
$     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ""
$     GOTO GOTTA_NAME
$!
$   END:
$     IF found .EQS. ""  THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "No files found"
$     EXIT
From: mnewson@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Neural Network Simulation Package
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:42:10 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

I understand from reading in the 1992 August issue of OR/MIS Today, DEC has
a neural network simulation package.  I would like to get some information on
this software package and if possible a contact person.

Thanking you in advance for your assistance.
M. Newson
Memphis State University
Computer Services
Memphis, TN
MNEWSON@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU  (Internet)
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: temp directory  on VMS?
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:06:03 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	I am new to VMS and have a very trivial question for you experts out
	there. Is there a /tmp or /var/tmp place like we have in UNIX on VMS?

Not by default, no.  If your local system manager wants to set up such a
thing, he's free to do so; but there is no standard.  (On one system I use,
there is a large disk with quotas disabled on which every user is given a
directory; the system-wide login procedure points SYS$SCRATCH to that
directory.  That disk is, of course, not backed up and periodically files on
it are deleted.)

	I found at times when I want to  download a big file by ftp, I have to
	clear some of my own  files out otherwise I will run out of memory.

The VMS approach is that, by default, you have to pay for the resources you
use.  The logical analogue on VMS of /tmp - a place to put work files and such
- is SYS$SCRATCH.  However, on most systems SYS$SCRATCH is just SYS$LOGIN, so
files there still count against your quota.  If the management policy on your
system is to "lend" people additional space for temporary files, they can
implement it using a technique such as the one I mentioned above.

	Please send me mail and thanks for any help.

If you expect to receive replies by mail, include a mailing address!  Your
message arrived here with a return path of:

	"dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!
	spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!
	liuxia@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU"

I sent a reply there, but I wouldn't bet on it reaching you.

							-- Jerry