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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Fischer's Strength
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:13:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.170250.54@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
writes:
>>                                             NM Craig Stauffer [darkhorse]
>>
>> P.S. Diagram, spelling and grammar by [duckbill]
>> P.S.S. "Those guys are probably eating marinated duckbills and deep-fried
>>         Squidfeet." - overheard in a Toledo Chinese restaurant.
>                                       ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Which one? I *LOVE* chinese food and i'll give it a go!
>
>don wedding
>toledo, ohio
>
>p.s. when you're from Toledo, you get *REALLY* excited when you're
>     city's name is mentioned on a national scale. go figure.

     Actually, the restaurant wasn't all that great.  All I
remember is that it was up the street from a bar called SAXXON'S,
somewhere near U. of Toledo (is that right? U. of Toledo?).

     The region V or VI (or KLMNOP) was played there last
October.  Darkhorse and Duckbill put me under the table at
Saxxon's, and I punted on my Sunday games.  Darkhorse somehow
won both of his games.  Duckbill won his first, and lost his
second to a guy drinking from a paper bag.  I guess you just
shouldn't mess with a pro!

-Mark (Squidfeet)

---- "I'm not really a big soup fan."  Overheard in a Toledo
                                       Chinese restaurant
From: edd@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ed.knowles)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Exploding the Myth:  GM Benjamin speaks on F-S II (_Chow_
Summary: Dementisxia does not preclude chess skill
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:53:21 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov22.031441.5002@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
> In article <33049@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>
> mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg) writes:
> 
> > The other major are of Fischer's dementia is his refusal to
> > accept the legitimacy of anything that has happened in the chess
> > world in the last tenety years.
> 
> I wouldn't be so quick to accuse Fischer of dementia.  He's still
> capable of playing chess at a Grandmaster level.  I don't think one
> could play chess that well with dementia.
> 
> --Ted Schuerzinger
> email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
> "I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
> was 'Russian Vodka'."

I don't know if you've read Waitzkin's book "Searching For Bobby Fischer",
but one of the characters in it is IM Israel Zilber. He's a homeless bum
who seems pretty out of it (I've actually seen him in Washington Square
some years ago, -- don't know if he's still alive). Supposedly, he gives
grandmasters a good game. I don't think insanity hurts one chess skill
appreciably (my dementia has been continuously challenging chowmeisters
to speed chess games -- I may actually play stronger now than when I became
insane 8^)). 

Fischer may not be crazy, just ignorant, uneducated and bigoted. Scary 
thought, that...

                                                      -Ed Knowles
From: mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: This Bob Guy speaks on F-S II and GM Joel Trembles
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:42:45 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: This Bob Guy
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business
Keywords: 

In article <92326.141559RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>"so it is pretty clear that this guy is off his rocker.  i believe that
>someone who is so unbalanced is not going to play 2700 chess."
>
>                                         -this gm joel guy

What the heck do you mean, "this gm joel guy?"  What are you implying?
Bizarre!  (Never heard of him?!)  Hey Bob, wow.
Continuing...
>
>come now.  i'll agree with the first sentence, but not the second.
>three reasons why:
>
>    1) the best evaluation i've seen of fischer's current skill
>       level is "best in the world."  the worst i've seen was
>       "weak international master."  whether either of these is
>       correct, or something in between (which is my guess), it
>       is pretty clear that fischer is good.  "weak international
>       master" may seem like an insult to you gm types, [...]

Attacking a straw man!  Joel said no such thing!

>there have been debates on why so many great chess players are loony,
>man.  now you come claiming that since bobby's loony, he can't be great.
>
>give me a break.
>
Hey man, give me a break, man.  You didn't read the article, or you are 
pretending like you didn't.  Joel accurately assessed the games
and the strengths of the players involved.  He didn't call Fischer weak.
Read before you write.  Pay attention to the chess analysis.

>remember people, just because a grandmaster said it, doesn't mean he
>thought about it.
>
>bob vesterman.

Sorry, this bob vesterman guy or should I call him this bob guy, just 
isn't making it as a reviewer.

-Mark
From: cracraft@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Hand-held Chess computers
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:27:16 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu
Keywords: chess, computers, portable

In article <1992Nov20.161331.12984@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>In article <Bxzv9E.ACG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> witzany@sparc1.isgs.uiuc.edu writes:
>>	According to the latest r.g.c FAQ, the two portable chess computers to
>>consider are the Novag Super VIP and the Mephisto Marco Polo.  
>
>I have stopped using my hand-held chess computer now that I have
>Psion Chess on my pocket computer - Psion Series 3. It plays a
>good game against me (an amateur).
>
I have also ditched my hand-helds. But instead of the Psion, which
is a good name in computer chess (but I wonder how similar it is
to Lang's Psion program), my own choice is a notebook 486DX @ 25mhz
running M Chess professional.

This should be completely adequate for me (or for most players.)
--Stuart

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Fischer-Polgar NOT (yet)
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:08:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.182703.13886@u.washington.edu> benwood@carson.u.washington.edu (Ben Henwood) writes:
>hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>
>>Could it be that the negotiations broke down because Fischer required that
>>Judith play nude?   :-)
>
>>	Sven
>
>I find this sexist and degrading to women in general and Judit in particular.
>Putting the smiley at the end does not negate the negativism and the sexism 
>to me; I find it is merely a '90s attempt to make a sexist remark.  
>

I'm really getting tired of this. Look up my reply in the thread "Should
women play in men's tournaments" (or something like that). (Sorry, I told
somebody else to see my reply in THIS thread, forgetting where it ended up
being.)

What is (unfortunately) a '90s thing is this kind of witchhunt. It is very
destructive.

	Sven

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: worley@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Bill Worley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Bronstein - Deep Thought Games
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:41:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


This posting is to convey David Bronstein's thanks to all of you who
have sent him messages after his games with DT on the chess server, and
to supply a little background about the games.

These games are fast, fun, and not-so-serious.  David is trying to
understand how DT responds in various positions and types of openings, and
the DT team is observing the techniques David employs.  The lines of play
and choices of plans reflect deliberate experimentation.  The first games
were played with a keyboard interface, including a few mis-typed moves.
(One of which turned out to be a reasonably good move!)  The later games
were played using the xics interface.

Usually, there are from one to four observers with David, and he divides
his time between the moves, explaining how he thinks the computer is
responding, and explaining what he is thinking about.  So, he is 
simultaneously player, analyzer, and commentator for these 20 minute games.  
The X-windows interface to the server has been manned by Bob English, one
of the researchers at HP Labs, to whom David also expresses his thanks.

Incidentally, the words:

"D.  - some people say I have too high
self-esteem.  They may be right, but at least I have good reason to."

which appeared at the bottom of the games posting were not from David,
but from the poster (Kjetil Dimmen).  A statement of this sort would be
totally out of character for David.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: psychology
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.170130.16254@zeus.ieee.org> jbarth@ep.ieee.org (Jeremy Barth) writes:
>...
>I don't remember the exact meaning of the results, but
>under two minutes your first try was probably considered
>evidence of innate GM ability.  What skills the test actually
>measures are not clear:  probably sight of the board, tactical
>reflexes, etc.  It doesn't say much about positional ability.
>Still, its success in alerting the Czech chess authorities
>to the potential of three young players, and their subsequent
>support and training of the identified players, suggests that
>the test isn't wholly useless.  

The Knight's tour test is certainly not useless - but before we put too
much weight on the correlation between childhood tests and later
success (especially interpretations of the form "under 2 minutes ==
potential GM"):

    If a high score on the test leads to improved instruction and
    support - we can't be entirely sure that the later success isn't
    due to the instruction and support.

    That is: I would be more convinced by the predictive power
    of the test if it were shown to be correlated with later success
    *in a pool of players with matched instruction and support*.

    In brief:  show me the controls, please.

-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: chess and Deep Thought III
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:34:52 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

If a grandmaster was able to program a computer game which was
able to beat somebody like Kasparov, Karpov and Fischer, 
would it be recognised as a measurement of that persons'
chess I.Q.?
And if so, would they be placed into the category of the Worlds' number one
chess player?

Its' a thought isn't it?
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: marino@dxcern.cern.ch (Massimo Marino)
Subject: King's Indian question
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:36:20 GMT

Hi, I got through this variation of K's I defense on a book reporting it
as 4-pawns attack:

1. d4 Nf6; 2. c4 g6; 3. Nc3 Bg7; 4. e4 d6; 5. f4 0-0; 6. Nf3 c5!;
7. d5 e6; 8. Bd3 exd5; 9. cxd5 Qb6!

remarking - with strong initiative (why is it so strong?) and
mentioning it as a - major type of mistake wich White can make: exposing
his centre too much.

This is the end of all the remarks about this variation. Being a middle level
player it is rather difficult to say why Black is so better in this position
and how he could get the all of it from now on.

I thanx in advance everyone who will take the time to e-mail me directly
and if it turn out to be of general interest I will post a resume about it.

Regards, Massimo
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From: nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Nervousness (was Re: Tournament Report from Berkeley Quads last Saturday, 11/14...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:30:32 GMT
Reply-To: nash@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

In article <1992Nov19.004603.23878@pony.Ingres.COM> jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black)  
writes:
> 
>I get nervous before a chess tournament; REAL nervous.  Is this common?  Does
>anyone have any advice on how to handle this?  It really does affect my play,
>I'm afraid; especially at these fast time controls.  And worse yet, sometimes
>it causes me to avoid playing rated chess.

Me too! I would get super nervous and as a result not play as well as I thought  
I could.

My solution is to realize consciously that chess is just a game. No one is  
going to beat the crap out of you if you hang a rook. No one is going to  
reposes your car for walking into a mating trap. Tell yourself over and over,  
this is just for fun.

I made a pact with myself about a year ago, and that was that if I didn't stop  
being nervous and just start enjoying myself, that I would stop playing  
tournament chess. I still get a little nervous but it is controllable.

Anyway faster time controls are even easier to relax for. When you are playing  
G/15 people expect you to blunder.
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price)
Subject: Re: Should women's tournaments exist?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:45:43 GMT

In article <1e85u3INN2nr@gap.caltech.edu> cxxh@cco.caltech.edu (Chris H. Hall) writes:
>hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>
>>Being the unfairly misquoted author of that joke, I'd let this pass if there
>>were only one such humor-impaired critic, but I'm getting hate-mail, so I'd
>
>[silly explaination deleted]
>
>Earth to Sven, Earth to Sven, your logic circuits have failed.  Switch
>to your backup brain, your primary one has malfunctioned.
>Chris
>PS  If you have to explain a joke, it's not funny.

I agree that it wasn't terribly funny, but it was a flat joke about
Bobby Fischer's antisocial behavior, not about the admirable Ms. Polgar.
Hate mail is completely inappropriate, unless you are a Bobby fanatic who
is prepared to defend his personal habits. In my opinion Mr. Hall and others
are overreacting, and that's unfortunate: it's People Like Them that are
causing the terrible decline of sarcasm in our culture.

Let's get back to talking about chess, shall we? Even a Smythescript flamefest
would be better than this.

Tom

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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: graphics?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:13:02 GMT


Well I'm not knew to playing the board game of chess but
when it comes to reading posts about the game I'm lost.
what does e4 e5 mean?  Could someone send me a copy of
the breakdown on positioning and moves as described
in the many articles here.

Thanks
Dennis
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From: lshiu@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Ling-po Shiu)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Slav Exchange
Keywords: Slav Exchange
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:40:11 GMT


In the following line of Slav Exchange:

1. d4 d5  2. c4 c6  3. cxd cxd  4. Nf3 Nf6  5. Nc3 Nc6
6. Bf4 Bf5  7. e3 e6  8. Bb4 Nd7  9. Qa5 Rc8

Black loses a pawn after

10. Bxc6 Rxc6  11. Qxa7

Is there compensation for Black? If not, Is there improvement
for Black?  MCO doesn't give 11. Qxa7. But it seems playable to
me.


Ling-po Shiu

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: bereolos@glycol.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J Bereolos)
Subject: Spassky vs. J. Polgar
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:59:02 GMT

I heard on the radio yesterday that Spassky was going to play Judith Polgar in
Serbia for a $200,000 purse.  Has anyone else heard any information regarding
this?

Pete
bereolos@ecn.purdue.edu

--
Peter Bereolos                     
bereolos@ecn.purdue.edu           
pur-ee!bereolos                  
                                
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Distributed chess playing program?
Keywords: gnuchess, distributed
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:29:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.135404.6683@cs.cornell.edu> chandra@cs.cornell.edu (Tushar D Chandra) writes:
>
>Hi!
>
>I was wondering if someone has a distributed chess playing program that can
>work on general purpose machines. For example, does someone have a program
>that generates all board positions (to depth 1 or 2 depending on the number of
>machines available) and gives one position to each machine to analyse. Each
>machine returns a "score" to the "root" machine which selects the move with the
>best score. Seems to me that we should be able to get 1 or even 2 extra plys
>this way.
>
>Looking at the gnuchess code, I believe a quick and dirty implementation
>shouldn't take too long.
>

Yes.  and the quick and dirty result would probably not search more than
twice as fast as the one processor version....  this is a tricky problem.
The best distributed search program I am aware of is Sun Phoenix by
Jonathan Schaeffer at U of Alberta.  Cray Blitz is certainly a generic
program that is running on my Sparc, etc.  but it uses shared memory
(ala Cray) for it's multitasking.  Designing for shared memory is much
different than designing for distributed memory using ethernet or
whatever.  It is certainly doable, but be prepared to spend a few
years getting it right!  There have been some excellent articles on
doing this published over the years....  Just don't expect to take
20 workstations and run 20 times faster.... or even 10 times faster....

Bob

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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Memorial (Moscow)
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:23:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.133333.5528@cs.ruu.nl> xawemmer@cs.ruu.nl (Xander Wemmers) writes:
>
>			* ALEKHINE MEMORIAL *
>
>In Moscow the following games are played in the round 2 and 3:
>(Does anyone have the results of round one?)
>

I don't, but some can be deduced.

>Round 2:
>
>Jan Timman		-   Artur Yusupov	1/2
>Boris Gelfand		-   Anatoli Karpov	1-0
>Viswanathan Anand	-   Gata Kamsky		1-0
>Valery Salov		-   Alexey Shirov	1/2
>
>Round 3:
>
>Artur Yusupov		-   Boris Gelfand	1/2
>Alexey Sjirov		-   Jan Timman		1/2
>Gata Kamsky		-   Valery Salov	1/2
>Anatoli Karpov		-   Viswanathan Anand	0-1
>
>Obviously Karpov is not is doing very well (maybe Fischer-fever?)
>
>1. Boris Gelfand	2.5
>2. Viswanathan Anand	2
>3. Gata Kamsky		1.5
>   Valery Salov
>   Artur Yusupov
>6. Anatoli Karpov	1
>   Jan Timman		
>   Alexey Sjirov

Assuming all this is accurate, we have in the first round:

(SURE) Yusupov - Salov 1/2
(PROBABLY) Karpov - Timman 1-0
           Gelfand - Anand 1-0
           Kamsky - Shirov 1-0

Anybody has the actual  info to check this?

	Sven

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: witzany@geoserv (David Witzany)
Subject: Hand-held Chess computers
Summary: Which portable chess machines are worth looking into?
Reply-To: witzany@sparc1.isgs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:05:37 GMT
Keywords: chess, computers, portable

	According to the latest r.g.c FAQ, the two portable chess computers to
consider are the Novag Super VIP and the Mephisto Marco Polo.  As I recall,
folks were discussing the Fidelity Travelmaster a while back; the consensus
seemed to be that since the pegs on the bottoms of the pieces tended to
break off, and the ribbon cables sometimes frayed, it was better to skip
the Travelmaster altogether.
	I ran across what looks to be a newer model the other day.  The 
ribbon cables are still there, but the board now uses magnetic pieces, which
gets rid of at least one of the earlier problems.  Does anyone know if the
new version of the Travelmaster is on a par with the other two machines
now, or if it still lags behind them for some reason (playing strength,
same old cable problem, whatever)?  Incidentally, it was priced at $99.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Jeff Boyd <BOYDJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Subject: Offensive.  Tasteless.  You'll read it anyway.
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:04:00 GMT



The latest unconfirmed match rumour:  Fischer vs Jehovah.  No money.
If Jehovah wins, Fischer must play Kasparov on Kasparov's terms.  If
Fischer wins, Jehovah recalls the Jews.  Fischer gives 3-1 odds, but
insists on playing in East Timor.

Really now ... don't you think these match "rumours" are getting a
little more air time than they deserve?


jeff
From: af1@ra.msstate.edu (Alex Foo)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Chess Tournament In Singapore.....???
Summary: assistance....
Keywords: help
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:22:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: Isis.af1.721945359
Organization: Mississippi State University

Dear Chess-friends,
    I wonder if any of you know whether there is any Chess Tournament will
be held in Singapore this December.  
    Thank you.....
Alex Foo
af1@ra.MsState.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: pawn promotion
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:24:43 GMT
Organization: IBM Research

In article <1992Nov20.124517.6299@cs.ruu.nl>, xawemmer@cs.ruu.nl (Xander Wemmers) writes:

|> By the way, there are chess problems in which white has to promote to
|> a *black* piece (even to a black king) in order to win.
|> 
Is this legal??  I've played chess for 40 years and never
knew you could promote a pawn to an opponent's piece.

If there are two enemy kings on the board, can you checkmate either
enemy king to win?

-- 
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