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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
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Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:43:23 GMT
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In article <1992Oct9.091528.21395@daimi.aau.dk>, olevi@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Villumsen) writes:
|>
|>   But one ecu is more than a US dollar, so we will need the ability of
|> dividing it into smaller units. (Let me suggest splitting it into
|> 100 of the smaller unit. :-) And then we'll need a name for the small ones,
|> the 'centi-ecu's. (Centi-ecu is not the right word, is it?)

Gee, I dunno.   Don't transmit <ecu amounts across current
national boundaries, and then people can use whatever their
current coins are for small change.    "That'll be ten ecu
and thirty nine pee, Madam".     It even has that nice
"Europe of nations" feel to it.

Or we could just wait for inflation to solve the problem.

jon.
From: malexand@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Alexander)
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Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 10 Oct 1992 14:20:47 -0700
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pence would be nice.

Cheers,

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From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:51:38 GMT

In article <dennis.718804621@marie> dennis@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze) writes:
>In <1992Oct8.110629.7331@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer) writes:
>
>>I support the idea of a common european currency, but I'm a little
>>"unlucky" to have mark, pound, etc. replaced by an currency called
   ^^^^^^^
  ("ungluecklich" = "unhappy" here?)

>>"currency unit". Don't you think that a real name, and not some funny
>>abbreviation, could increase the public acceptance of the common
>>european currency?
>
>You may have a single European currency but different names for it...
>So why don't call it Euro-Mark in Germany, Euro-Franc in France, 
>Euro-Pound in Great Britain and so on? 
>This would certainly increase public acceptance and stress the national
>identity of the European nations.


Which term would you use in mixed company? I can imagine offending 
a non-German by using "Euro-Mark," for example.  And what would we
Americans call it?  (Don't say you couldn't care less!  :-)  The term 
"eurodollar" already exists.  There would still have to be a unified
name.

Don
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From: kunitz@informatik.hu-berlin.de (U.Kunitz)
Subject: Re: German hate crime resurgence and GDR education since WWII
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:18:43 GMT

In <1au06iINNbop@cs.tut.fi> defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi (Irek Defee) writes:

>Government propaganda mostly...

>I am pretty sure that if the recession and unemployment in the West would
>be approaching similar proportions as in the East, there would be no differences
>in the neo-nazi activity. It is thus hard to talk about the "entrenchment"
>or origin of neo-nazi from the past. Except from propaganda...


Latest polls say that more Westgermans would vote for extreme right parties
than Eastgermans. (West: 16% East: 12%)

Uli

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
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Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:06:10 GMT
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In article <1bk2poINN59c@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, jetson@vab02.larc.nasa.gov (Greg Fruth (JIAFS)) writes:
|> 
|> According to my (American English) dictionary, an "ecu"
|> (possibly with an acute accent on the "e") is a old type of French
|> currency used in the 17th century.  Then the French get to use a native
|> French word for this new type of currency, while everybody else has to
|> adjust.  Is this a coincidence?

No.   In fact, that's why we call French the language of diplomacy.

jon.
From: brasher@aludra.usc.edu (Brenda Brasher)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
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Date: 10 Oct 1992 16:49:33 -0700
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Why not ecucent?


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From: Boris.Wirtz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de ()
Subject: Re: German hate crime resurgence and GDR education since WWII
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:30:17 GMT

defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi (Irek Defee) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.175347.2586@sfu.ca> duxbury@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Ann Duxbury) writes:
>>Interestingly, the problem of neo-nazi groups may be more entrenched
>>in the eastern parts of Germany than first believed. I was listening
>>to the english service of Radio Deutsche Welle last night. They said
>>...
>>Amazing what you can hear on shortwave these days...

>Government propaganda mostly...

Propaganda indeed !!

In fact the German government (including Kanzler Kohl and Foreign Minister
Kinkel) seems to be more concerned about the way this neo-nazi stuff is
influencing the international German relations than fighting the thing
itself.
It is right that the neo-nazi activities are caused by unemployment
and bad financial circumstances (Mostly in the east) and that therefor
a large part of the neo-nazi are 'East Germans'.
But : Most of the leaders come from west germany.
      After the reunion the extreme right-wing groups entered the
      east ( which was disappointed by socialism) to found groups with
      their opinion (using their organisatoric (right word??) skills
      gained in the years in the old FRG).
      They were pretty succesful (as you see).

And : The neo-nazi activities do not only take place in eastern germany.
      Attacks against asylants happen all over Germany.

I think this is getting one of the hardest attacks to German democraty
since WW II. There is a right shift in most german parties (esp. the large
ones). It is said that some of the incidents are indeed provoked by
non active politicians, who try to cut off the right of asylum,  which is
granted to every political fugitive in Germany, by this. In fact you may
think that the CDU (Kohl's party) , who are middle right to extreme
conservative, gain the votes back by this they lost due to a hazardous
social politic in the past.( Kohl got only re-elected after the reunion
cause the new 'East Germans' voted for him in really LARGE numbers).


>I am pretty sure that if the recession and unemployment in the West would
>be approaching similar proportions as in the East, there would be no differences
>in the neo-nazi activity. It is thus hard to talk about the "entrenchment"
>or origin of neo-nazi from the past. Except from propaganda...

>Irek Defee


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From: olevi@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Villumsen)
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:15:28 GMT

'Ecu' is alright with me. In Denmark most people use a close-to-French
pronounciation.
  But one ecu is more than a US dollar, so we will need the ability of
dividing it into smaller units. (Let me suggest splitting it into
100 of the smaller unit. :-) And then we'll need a name for the small ones,
the 'centi-ecu's. (Centi-ecu is not the right word, is it?)
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From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:42:50 GMT

In article <dennis.718804621@marie>, dennis@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze) writes:
> In <1992Oct8.110629.7331@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer) writes:
> 
> 
> You may have a single European currency but different names for it...
> So why don't call it Euro-Mark in Germany, Euro-Franc in France, 
> Euro-Pound in Great Britain and so on? 
> This would certainly increase public acceptance and stress the national
> identity of the European nations.
> 

Good idea.  I'm pretty sure, someone will come up with nice exchange
rates between Euro-Mark and Euro-Punds very soon...

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From: rossen@diku.dk (Peter Rossen Skadhauge)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:20:27 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

olevi@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Villumsen) writes:

>'Ecu' is alright with me. In Denmark most people use a close-to-French
>pronounciation.
>  But one ecu is more than a US dollar, so we will need the ability of
>dividing it into smaller units. (Let me suggest splitting it into
>100 of the smaller unit. :-) And then we'll need a name for the small ones,
>the 'centi-ecu's. (Centi-ecu is not the right word, is it?)

Member of the EC Commission Henning Christophersen once proposed
'ecu-lette' for a name of a 1/100 ECU.

A brilliant purpose of this newsgroup would be the one of suggesting
a somewhat better name. -?
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
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Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 11 Oct 1992 02:20:23 GMT
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In article <FISCHER.92Oct10072012@steiner.iesd.auc.dk>, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
|> 
|> >>>>> "Jon" == Jon Livesey (livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com)
|> 
|> Jon> Or we could just wait for inflation to solve the problem.
|> 
|> Not fair. While it would solve the problem quickly in some EC
|> countries, it would take a long time in other countries. 

This is no time to be mean to the Germans.    I'm sure 
their inflationary problems are quite temporary.

jon.
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From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:59:31 GMT


>How do you pronounce 'ecu' in English?

That sounded fine (heh heh.)

I (an American) pronounce it eh-koo (rhymes with "you" or "coup"), and
in my experience so do the British.

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From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
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Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:41:46 GMT
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In article <13159@audetf>, audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct8.110629.7331@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer) writes:
|> ]I support the idea of a common european currency, but I'm a little
|> ]"unlucky" to have mark, pound, etc. replaced by an currency called
|> ]"currency unit". Don't you think that a real name, and not some funny
|> ]abbreviation, could increase the public acceptance of the common
|> ]european currency?
|> 
|> The amusing part is that ECU (European Currency Unit) is also a word
|> designating an old monetary unit used in France a long time ago. Le
|> hasard?

Of course not (this in answer to your question mark).
The nice thing about the ecu is that it is an acronym in English, has a 
proper meaning in French, and is pronounceable in most other languages
(never mind that most people will pronounce it wrong).

For the trivia-minded :

ecu :
        any of various gold and silver coins of France, issued from the
        reign of Louis IX until 1794, bearing the figure of a shield.
Etymology : OF escu L scutum (shield)

Note also the Portuguese currency unit :

escudo:
     -  a nickel and bronze coin and monetary unit of Portugal and Mozambique,
        equal to 100 centavos Abbr.: Esc.
     -  any of various former gold coins of Spain, Spanish America, and
        Portugal.
     -  a former silver coin of Spain, discontinued in 1868.
Etymology: Sp (shield) from L scutum (shield).

An online dictionary is a great help.

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From: michalj@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Jankowski)
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:37:30 GMT

>>>>> On 8 Oct 1992 17:41:46 GMT, sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee) said:

Daan> The nice thing about the ecu is that it is an acronym in English, has a 
Daan> proper meaning in French, and is pronounceable in most other languages
Daan> (never mind that most people will pronounce it wrong).

How do you pronounce 'ecu' in English?

  Michal
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From: mikael@udac.uu.se (Mikael Lundgren)
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala University, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:54:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.110629.7331@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer) writes:
>I support the idea of a common european currency, but I'm a little
>"unlucky" to have mark, pound, etc. replaced by an currency called
>"currency unit". Don't you think that a real name, and not some funny
>abbreviation, could increase the public acceptance of the common
>european currency?

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think Ecu was the name of a currency 
that was used somewhere in France in the middle ages. So, in a sense it is 
a "real" name...
Another name might be desirable anyway, Ecu is still a "funny" name in a 
sense.

>* Onno Meyer - Kastanienallee 40 - 2900 Oldenburg - Deutschland  *
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Ciao /Mikael
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Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
From: Manuel Veloso <veloso@husc9.harvard.edu>
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:30:10 EDT
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In article <cwodmu9@Unify.Com> Veit Irtenkauf, veit@Unify.com writes:
>Good idea.  I'm pretty sure, someone will come up with nice exchange
>rates between Euro-Mark and Euro-Punds very soon...

Well, how about the simple and very European E-Mark? It not only reflects
the dominant currency in the New Europe, but is easy to pronounce.

Of course, it won't be this rational. If it was, Denmark's currency would
be named the Den-Mark, not the 'Crown' (kroner?)
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
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Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 12 Oct 1992 20:30:27 GMT
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In article <12OCT199213514596@venus.tamu.edu>, r0r1544@venus.tamu.edu (RUCHHOEFT, RICHARD) writes:
>
> Wouldn't it just be easier to interlock all EC Currencies and from 
> now on define a pound as 1.2 Marks and the mark as 1000 lire and so 
> forth.

It would certainly be easier.   Now if we could only make 
it work.

The trouble is that you can't 'define' currencies in terms 
of one another as long as each currency is administered by 
its own Central Bank, with differing policies on money
supply and interest rates.   As long as these paramters
differ between countries, their inflation rates will differ
and so their currencies will tend to diverge in value in 
the long run.

And the reason that they have differing policies is that 
they are trying to solve different economic problems:
Germany is trying to ensure inflation stays low, while
the UK is trying to get out of a recession.

jon.
From: julien@incal.inria.fr (Julien Maisonneuve)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:01:10 GMT


 In article <1bk2poINN59c@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, jetson@vab02.larc.nasa.gov (Greg Fruth (JIAFS)) writes:
 |> 
 |> According to my (American English) dictionary, an "ecu"
 |> (possibly with an acute accent on the "e") is a old type of French
 |> currency used in the 17th century.  Then the French get to use a native
 |> French word for this new type of currency, while everybody else has to
 |> adjust.  Is this a coincidence?
I'm not sure "ecu" is more familiar to a French than to any other European.
It probably sounds right in several latin languages, and is not so unnatural in
saxon languages. Any better candidate ? It is also a plus that it was originally
a currency name.
After all, we could complain that it was named after the English acronym
"European currency unit", which is hardly french :-)

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From: dennis@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze)
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 11:57:01 GMT

In <1992Oct8.110629.7331@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer) writes:

>I support the idea of a common european currency, but I'm a little
>"unlucky" to have mark, pound, etc. replaced by an currency called
>"currency unit". Don't you think that a real name, and not some funny
>abbreviation, could increase the public acceptance of the common
>european currency?

You may have a single European currency but different names for it...
So why don't call it Euro-Mark in Germany, Euro-Franc in France, 
Euro-Pound in Great Britain and so on? 
This would certainly increase public acceptance and stress the national
identity of the European nations.

Dennis
p.s.: This is not my idea... Mr. Waigel, Germany's finance minister 
supposed this during a session of the German Bundestag this week.
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From: Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de>
Subject: Re: German hate crime resurgence and GDR education since WWII
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:05:51 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany

In <1992Oct6.175347.2586@sfu.ca> duxbury@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Ann Duxbury) writes:

>Interestingly, the problem of neo-nazi groups may be more entrenched
>in the eastern parts of Germany than first believed. I was listening
>to the english service of Radio Deutsche Welle last night. They said
>that recently released STASI files confirm that well-organized and
>equipped neo-nazi groups were active in East Germany as early as the
>late 1970's. The report also said that there were massive riots in
>Dresden, Rosstock, and Leipzig right up to the fall of the communists.
>It also said that they were being directed by West German neo-nazi
>leaders.

There may well be a large number of neo-nazis. But I think most of the
youths following them are of two other categories
- thugs that have fun by beating up others (there is some kind of "riot
  tourism")
- frustrated, unemployed kids with no real prospect, who feel that they
  are being left alone by our politicians.

It's the last group that makes me shiver most. Our politicians do not
seem to realize that this group exists. They think that they can fight
these riots by severely punishing the offenders. Meanwhile more and more
companies in the east collapse, putting more and more people out of
work. Meanwhile the politicians have no other problem of how to produce
themselves best before the TV cameras. Meanwhile the politicians only
argue about how to change Article 16 of the German constitution (which
contains the sentence that political refugees have a right to ask for
asylum). Meanwhile more and more "refugees" come to Germany and the
fakes (i.e. the ones that are not political persecuted) cannot be
quickly sorted out and sent back to where they come from.

There will always be a broad political spectrum in every free society:
communists and right-wingers. Problems arise when extremists manage to
mobilize people that actually do not have any relationship with their
ideas and ideals. And that's what's happening in (former East-) Germany
right now.

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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: _name_ of the european currency
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:52:52


>>>>> "Onno" == Onno Meyer (Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni)

Onno> I support the idea of a common european currency, but I'm a little
Onno> "unlucky" to have mark, pound, etc. replaced by an currency called
Onno> "currency unit". 

Well, ECU is fine by me. It's short and distinct and can be said as a
word. Who cares if it's really an acronym? Few remembers that radar is
an acronym. An really, "currency unit" is better than silly terms like
"pound" and "lire" that date back to when things where measured in
lumps of metal.

Anyway, it might be too late to change now. It's been quite a few
years since the company I worked for at the time change international
price lists to ECU, and ESPRIT projects and the like where dealing in
them earlier than that. People are getting used to it.

/Lars
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