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From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the car
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:01:04 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <BzGxEE.832@world.std.com>, kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey) writes:
[...] 
# I always leave my passenger side seatbelt latched and carry my Glock 17 in an 
# Uncle Mike's holster cliped to the passenger side shoulder belt.  It's out in
# plain view (as required by NC state law), doesn't slide around all over the place,
# and is in position for very quick draw (even in the dark).
#  
# Now, we can argue whether a visible gun is a deterrent to carjacking, or
# an invitation to break in and grab the gun. :)  I tend to believe the 
# former.
#  
Actually, it does invite both, but those who find it "inviting" don't
usually live through more than a half-dozen attempts 8), so there's 
a preponderance of those who find it "deterring."


-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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From: drj@dev-null.phys.psu.edu (Dan Jeuch)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .380 as a backup (was Re: AMT backup .380)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:45:51 GMT

In article <9212151109.aa07559@ingate.microsoft.COM> davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler) writes:
#In article <6034@rosie.NeXT.COM> trose@NeXT.COM writes:
##I am looking for a small pocket pistol for occasional carry
##when belt carry isnot available.   I read an article on the 
##AMT .380 "backup".  The article was very positive.   From I
#
#Let me repeat myself again: AVOID THE AMT BACKUP, EVEN THE DA MODEL.
#Get a Walther PPK(/S) or a Colt Mustang. You'll be a lot happier. Check out
# [...]

My SO has a Walther PPK/S.  It's not BAD, and it's very well built, but
IMHO, the double-action pull is unacceptably hard.  If price isn't
an issue, get a SIG P230.  I don't think there are too many people who
will disagree on this one.  I picked my SIG up for $409... pricy, but
if you're going to carry something, it's it worth a little extra? :-)

-Dan
From: rpalmer@Think.COM (Ralph Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: silver solders melting temperatures
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:39 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA


My solder alloy melting temperature guide gives the following data:
percents are listed by mass

Temp		%tin	%lead	%silver
183C (361F)	62	38		<--This is "standard" solder
221C (430F)		96.5	3.5
304C (579f)		97.5	2.5

These temperatures are not really that great.  Does anyone know what 
the composition of the silver solder in question?

				Ralph Palmer
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 10 mm autopistols
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:44:18 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

In article <1i308gINN75d@mirror.digex.com>, curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
#I keep hearing vaguely worded criticisms of the 10mm cartridge, but I
#can never get any specifics.  I understand that the FBI dumped the
#10 after having problems.  Were these problems:
#
#     1)  feed problems (possibly caused by FBI-required modifications


	I've never heard this one. . . 


#     2)  overpressure problems causing damage to the pistols

	I've only heard this one for  1) The first Colt Delta
	Eliets _with_ 2) 1'st generation Norma ammunition (it was
	_hot_)

#     3)  control problems caused by recoil and/or blast


	Yeah, every gun that fires a more powerfull cartridge
	than the previous one has this problem. I've heard the
	'excessive recoil and blast' complaint said about 9mm's
	from cops who were used to 38sp's. It's a user problem,
	not a gun problem.


	The reason the FBI dumped the 10mm for a while was that
	they wanted a very-non standard trigger on their SW guns.
	SW had a very hard time engineering the new trigger and
	a substantial fraction of the triggers broke. 

	Supposidly the problem is fixed, and the FBI is/will be
	issuing the 10mm's again.

#????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#
#Does anyone know the real story?
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
From: weba@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Veijo Paavali L{nsikunnas)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: what does sks mean?
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:59:44 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab

In <9301031541.AA26830@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> mozart@coos.dartmouth.edu (Sting) writes:


##SKS = Samozaridnya Karabina Simonova

##The last two words translate to "Carbine Simonov", Simonov being the name

#I'm not familiar with the exact word offhand, but in Russian, the prefix
#Samo- is roughly equivalent to "self-" or "auto-" whence I would suppose

You're quite right. "Samozaridnya" literally means self-loading.

---
Veijo Lansikunnas               If you are going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
weba@niksula.cs.hut.fi                                       - Il Brutto
From:  (Mike J.)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: T.C. carbine
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:45 GMT


In article <01GSL3M3F8DE002J2A@AC.DAL.CA>, mball@ac.dal.ca wrote:
# 
# I would like to gather the net wisdom on the subject of 
# Thompson-Contender carbines.  ...

I've got a 16" Contender pistol in .35 Remington.  Most bolt action rifles
should shoot so good.

Mike J.
From: tighe@convex.COM (Mike Tighe)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT Longslide?  Any good?
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:00:26 GMT
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Texas

ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:

#2 questions:  Is it any good?  (AMT .45 1911s in general...)
#and ... Does the long slide make the gun unbalanced in any way?

I used to own an AMT Hardballer. The happiest day I had with it was the day
I sold it. It looked great, but it jammed constantly. I sent letters to the
company asking some simple questions, and never received any replies. I
would never own an AMT product again.
-- 
Mike Tighe, (214) 497-4206
tighe@convex.com
From: chrstie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (William John M. Christie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 27 Dec 92 12:34:01 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


Out of curiosity what thicknesses of transparent materials are capable of
stopping what weight/velocity/calibre/type (FMJ, LSWC, etc.) of bullet?
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From: marcel@hpindvm.cup.HP.COM (Marcel Burlet)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mossberg 500 12 gauge
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:40:06 GMT
Organization: HP Termio


Ok, I did the same thing as Robert (bought a Mossberg 500 shotgun).
Mine came with 2 barrels (18" for "social" occasions, and 28" vent rib
for going trap and skeet shooting).  Mossberg is offering a special
deal:  If you order before 12/31/92, they will sell you another barrel
for about 50% of retail (e.g. 28" vent rib, with one choke tube: $62).

My Question:  How do I clean this thing???  I've owned Colt M1911's and
bolt action rifles, but I've never had to clean a shotgun.  The manual
has _great_ dissasembly instructions, but the cleaning section is:

'Buy a cleaning kit, and follow their directions.'        :-(

Ok, so how _DO_ I clean it?  What tools/products should I use?

My first idea is:  

   Use a bronze brush ( a BIG one!), and Hoppes #9 or bench rest.

   Next, run a bathtowel (GAWD this is a big bore!) (or a large patch)
   in a cleaning jag.  Repeat with patches until clean.

(This is about the same method I use for the .45ACP).  Ok so far.

 Now, what, where and with what do I lubricate the action?  What do I
 use on the action bars, the shell elevator, ...

 How often should I detail strip it?


Thanks in advance for any information.


Marcel Burlet
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From: kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AR15 info & purchase info wanted
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:25:52 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <1992Dec30.201402.10505@mcs.kent.edu> sscott@mcs.kent.edu (Stephen Scott) writes:
#I too am in the market for an AR15 (H-BAR .223) for target play and
#have heard some comments regarding different makes / models.  ...
#
#
#R6700CH		Sporter Competition HBAR
#$799		Range Selected w/ scope & accessories.

Could it be $999?

#%(my comment) I wonder who the scope manufacturer is?  Anyone know?

I was told that the scope was made by Tasco.

#%(my opinion) I question the above reasoning as the only difference is
#the top sight/handle which once attached (securely - I hope) should
#not significantly change the integrity of the rifle.  However, if they
#- COLT - were sloppy in the design of the machining tools to make this
#model - then problems such as accuracy may occur.  Any opinions on
#this?  Any experiences??

I can only speak of my experiences. Note that I've only shot my AR-15
*once* and put about 150 rounds through it. The accuracy was quite
good. I could knock down bowling pins at 200 yards from time to time.
However, I'm not very happy about their workmanship. My AR-15 *RATTLES*
after only 150 rounds. I think the rattles come from the upper and
lower receivers fit. Anyone has suggestions on how to get rid of the rattles?

#R6700		Sporter Competition HBAR 
#$749 

This is the one I have. I paid $650 for it.

#All COLT HBAR models have counterbored muzzle and rifling twist of one
#turn in 9".  I heard that one other manufacturer uses one turn in 12".

This is different from my understanding. All Colt HBAR models, except
competition HBAR, have 1 in 7" twist rate.

#%I was told by a local NRA instructor (Army Reservest type) that the
#1:9 is better on light bullets while the 1:12 is better for the
#heavier.  Any comments on this?

I think it is the other way around. The heavier bullets need faster
twist rates to stablize them. Am I right?

Later,
David
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From: gmk@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.EDU (Geoff Kotzar)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 416/30 short wildcat... donations?
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:59:56 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <9212180653.AA17971@NMSU.Edu> loki@acca.nmsu.edu writes:
#
#We're working on a 30 calibre wildcat, based on the 416 Rigby case.
#Unfortunately, we don't have any brass to work with, so I was wondering
#if anybody out there had any old 416 Rigby, 378 Weatherby, 416 Weatherby,
#or 460 Weatherby brass laying around that they'd like to donate to the
#project.
#
#I am aware of the 30 phoenix, offered in complete rifles by MacMillan.
#Does anyone out there know of any other 416/30 wildcats that have been
#tried?
#
#--Dan
#

Yes, Ross Seyfried published an account of just such a beast in Guns&Ammo
this past year. At the moment I cannot remember which issue. You can now
get bulk Norma brass for the 416 Rigby from Midway for about $115 per 100
cases. This is half of what the Old Western Scrounger is asking.

Also isn't the .30 Lapua based on the 416 Rigby. Champions Choice carries
brass for the .30 Lapua at about $150 to $250 per 100 cases.

geoff kotzar
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Why no plastic cased .38 special?
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:01:14 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Dec16.113628.4692@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:

}Why are there no {rifle,pistol, revolver} rounds loaded in plastic
}cases?  Sure, we have the Aluminum Blazers, but why not plastic?

Rumor reaches me plastic cased ammunition is under development and may
exist by now.  The military was very interested because the plastic cases
weigh 1/3 what equivalent brass weighs.  That matters when you're trying
to cram enough rounds into a C47 to keep several miniguns supplied ...

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                Do not meddle in the affairs of
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  dragons, for you are crunchy
Santa Monica, CA  90405                        and go well with ketchup.
From: tighe@convex.COM (Mike Tighe)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: HK-91 prices
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:45:53 GMT
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Texas

jaf@a2.cim.cdc.com writes:
#Could anyone give me an idea if the following is a reasonable
#price for an HK-91:
# 	Good overall condition(but not great)
#	Includes sling, bayonett, bipod, and one 20rnd mag.
#	They are asking $1000

I have seen the prices of these vary from as low as $925 to over $1100.
Looking at what you are getting though, I think it is a reasonable buy.
First, be sure it is a real HK and not a Springfield SAR-8, and it is good
enough condition.

#From shows if the D/FW area:

HK-91, 1 mag & sling =  $950
               Bipod =  $135 ($85 if plastic version)
             Bayonet =  $ 40 ( not sure about this)
               Total = $1125

One other thing you may wish to look for is a shell deflector. This runs
around $30, and deflects shells from hitting your face if left-handed, and
also protects them from being dented.

#Also, is there anything in particular to look for on this gun
#for problem areas?

Make sure the sights are not dented, especially the rear one.

# And finally, I think that there are two models
# of this gun(A2 and A3?).

One is for the fixed stock, the other is for a adjustable stock.

# What are the differences and is one more desirable than the other?

I prefer the fixed stock, but this is a personal preference.
-- 
Mike Tighe, (214) 497-4206
tighe@convex.com
From: hruo@ncrclm.clemsonsc.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 9mm cheapo car backup
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:59:51 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC


i got a recommendation that i should get the ASTRA A-100 as the backup to my
SIG P226.  i want this backup to keep in the CAR and/or for general trip
purposes.  i want to keep the SIG at home as a home defense gun, and not to be
toted around too much.

anyone have prior experience with the ASTRA?  it's supposed to be a clone of
the SIG, but what about quality?  i don't necessarily need a gun with the same
feel as the SIG.  i've shot several types of autoloaders and is fairly
comfortable with all.  i would prefer some type of decocking type gun though
so that i can keep a round in the chamber safely without the hammer being
pulled back (like with the thumb safety on for 1911s).

thanks for any input.
hiro.ruo@clemsonsc.ncr.com
From: reber@ceres.rm.fccc.edu (John Reber)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Info wanted: .22 cal. pistols
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:55:34 GMT
Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center


--
In article <168C2109E8.UC390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu> you write:
|> I would like to know what you all think of the following
|> .22 cal. pistols (relatively to one another):
|>

I own a Buck Mark 5.5 with target grips, Ruger Mark 1, Ruger Government Target,
and owned a S&W 622  

|> * Browning Buck Mark series (including Buck Mark 5.5 & Micro Mark)

The Browning is my favorite, very smooth and well balanced

|> * Smith & Wesson 422/622/Outdoorsman(Sportsman?)/2206(?)

The S&W 622 I sold within a month...it was just too light(23 oz?) for me

|> * Ruger Target/Mark II/Government

The Government is very well made, and balanced, and is my second choice behind
the Browning...he Mark 1 Target shoots just as well as the Government for me,
but one thing i don't like about it is that the slide doesn't lock back after 
the last shot...

|> * Beretta 21a

Having never shot the Baretta, theres nothing i can say here


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From: Harry.Johnson@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Harry Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Recommendations for purchase?
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:40:39 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service


I'm looking for an autoloader with large capacity (>15 rounds).  I have
bought the Complete Book of Handguns and found a couple of very
inexpensive models in there (.22 caliber) with high capacity (whose names
escape me); I believe they were advertised as holding more than 25 rounds.
 I'm something of a novice with firearms, and so can't remember all the
details.

I want to get one of these guns because I'm afraid they'll soon be
unavailable; I'll have my required permits and so forth on Tuesday, the
29th, after which I have 60 days to purchase before my permit to buy
expires.  As things stand, I'd like to get one of these inexpensive
weapons, but I thought I should appeal to the greater wisdom of the true
experts out there before jumping in and possibly squandering money (and
ending up with an inferior model).

I'm assuming that you guys know what I'm talking about so I'll just ask: 
Are the guns I've found in the buyer's guide good ones?  If not, can you
recommend ones which would qualify, given my criteria (high number of
rounds, autoloader, and price <$700)?
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From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: magazines for AR-15s
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:47:38 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Just buy the GI magazines (30 round). I got my last ones NEW 
(contract "overruns") for $6.50 each. They all function flawlessly. 
Why waste money on suspect used magazines when GI mags are so cheap?

As a matter of fact, I got my mags from a fellow rec.guns reader. 
Email to rawles@valmet.dazixca.ingr.com.

Standard disclaimer, I have no connection to Jim except as a 
satisfied customer... blah-blah-blah.

He DOES do mailorder.

Later, Eddie

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From: btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: New Jersy Gun Laws
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:00:16 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation, San Diego

In article <viking.724807237@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
writes:
[ handgun ammo registration discussion deleted ]
#	I got a bit annoyed at having to fill out that form when I 
#purchased .30-30 ammunition at a Kmart last summer, and the resulting
#post and festivities on t.p.g. has lead me to believe this requirement
#was removed in the Gun Owners Protection Act of (I think) 1986.  Some
#shops still do it, but I don't think it's necessary.  I bought .45ACP
#just a few weeks ago, not at Kmart, and filled out nothing.

Before 1986 there was a registration requirement on sales of
handgun ammo, except .22 caliber.  This was a nuisance and was
cancelled by the 1986 FOPA.

Before 1986 I would take a .45 rifle with me when buying .45ACP
ammo and the store clerk wouldn't even bother me about ID.  Since
1986 I haven't been bothered at all.

Even though the 1986 act did apparently outlaw private acquisition
of machine guns, it did provide a number of benefits to us all.
Sometimes things do change for the better :-).

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Silver Soldering
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:46:02 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <1992Dec22.035540.5903@ncsu.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
#In article <1992Dec21.204825.4581@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
##	...  The critical question is melting point.  You COULD
##	hard solder this, but that requires temperatures in the neighborhood
##	of 1400 degree F.  To appyly this heat to a muzzle would draw the 
##	temper out of the steel and your barrel would burst in short order.
#
#  Brownells has one high silver content solder "Silvaloy 355 Silver
#Solder" which is "56% silver; Cadmium-Free" and melts at 1145 F, flows
#at 1205 F.  

	Question is, can you heat a barrel to that temp. without wrecking it?
	I am highly skeptical that this can be done.  It will certainly
	draw the temper out of the steel, which will leave it 1/2 hard at
	the very best, abd probably less so.  Not only that, but heating a 
	barrel to that temp., especially at one end only, is virtually
	guaranteed to distort the barrel over its length.  Hard soldering
	seems to be right out, as far as I can see.  Anyone know anything
	to the contrary?

#(Note that being cadmium free makes it less dangerous to health.)

	Good point.  Cadmium fumes are VERY poisonous.  Cadmium solders
	are considered cheap grade in either case, so you may as well
	stay healthy and avoid them.  I believe the Cad. is used to lower
	the melting point, and probably to improve wetting (this is a
	measurement of how well the solder flows and adheres to the surface
	of the pieces being soldered).
#
##
##	The soft, plumbers solder melts around 400-450 degrees, approx. This
#                  ^^^^^^^^
#  Is this silver?  The plumbers solder I know about is lead/tin and
#would be considered "soft solder".
#

	There's lots of Ag-Sn solders out there for plumbers these days.
	E.g. here in the NaziGarden State (NJ) all building codes
	statewide require use of solders with zero lead content in all
	new plumbing work.  Lead WILL leach out of the solder in your
	joints, especially if your water pH is in any way acidic (< 7.0).



#  Jewelers use an array of silver solders with different melting
#points so that as work progresses they can use lower temp solder
#and avoid melting already soldered joints.  Here is a progressions
#of 4 such (all cadmium free):
#
#Name            %silver   Melting Pt.  Flow Pt.
#Extra-Easy       56        1145F        1207F
#Easy             65        1240         1325
#Medium           70        1275         1360
#Hard             75        1365         1450
#
	Worked in casting houses on 47th street in Manhattan as a model maker.
	We used to make our own bt mixing grades.  This becomes necessary
	when doing delicate work that has LOTS of joints (like 50 or 100).
	Very hard work to do right, but man oh man do you get good with a 
	torch!

	-Andy V.