HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: laser disks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: rec
Date: 17 Nov 1992 11:41 EST  

In article <1992Nov17.4246.19287@dosgate>, "tony camara" <tony.camara@canrem.com> writes...
>I see alot of messages about the laser stuff how come ? I guess all you
>guy's are down ther in the states . IS it that popular down there . If
>it is i'm in toronto and there is really no market for it so far. Sure
>they have tried to push it but it hasn't really worked. Once you are
>able to record on it then it will dominate but untill then forget about
>if. Remember in the early 80's they also tried to push laser and it
>quickly died. Can't understand why they would try to push it again
>though . Maybe they figure they could make a couple more bucks ...
> 

No, it seems that image quality and home theatres have finally become 
important in the States.

>                                                            TONY>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044


Greg
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                         ED-Beta: Simply THE BEST!
"ED Beta is simply the best consumer videotape format available."
                                     --VIDEO Magazime, Nov. 1992, page 30.
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From: aq456@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: various TR101 observations and questions
Date: 21 Nov 1992 19:25:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


> 1.  The Data Code feature is very convenient.  The camera always
>     records date and time, and you can decide at playback time
>     whether you want to see it.  (Terry Quinn mentioned in a recent
>     post that the data code is passed over the LANC interface.)
 
I need to clarify this a little.  The EVS3000 says that datacode
is received over the Lanc.  But I think that they are only using
this as a control signal for the Advanced Synchro-edit function.  
It is not recorded on the Hi8 target tape in the EVS3000.  
 
For example, if you edit from a TR101 to a 3000, and then play 
back the tape, there is no control (that I am aware of) on the 
3000 that will let you selectively turn on or off the date or time 
display.  And if you then take that target tape and play it back 
from the TR101, when you activate the date or time display it just 
shows lines on the screen.
-- 
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
                                       aq456@cleveland.freenet.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: Video on standard CD's?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:39:42 GMT

   Speaking of this, I noticed in the latest Radio Shack flyer that they're
touting something called "VES" (for Video Entertainment System) that looks
a WHOLE lot like CD-I, and saying that hundreds of titles will be released
for it by the end of 1992, etc etc...

    So is this baby CD-I under a different name, or a whole new machine?
If it's not CD-I I think I'd avoid it like the plague, especially at $700.
Talk about your orphans when CD-I dominates...

    If it is CD-I, why isn't it called that?

--
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
      "Who can doubt that pleasure is the only goal of a reasoned life?"
                                                   -- Epicurus
From: tominatr@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Hitachi VCR model # help
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:48:41 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I need some help in finding a model number for an Hitachi VCR.  It is the
top of the line model and it has a unique feature of being able to swap
2 video segments on a tape.

The top of the line one is probably too expensive for me, but a friend of mine
has the model from 3 years ago.  What is the model number and how much would
one cost today?  He said it might be either the 900P or the 1000P.

       - Tom N.
From: pvh@apple.com (Pete Helme)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: What's wrong with IDTV?
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:27:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

I was really impressed with the RCA/ProScan 80 series IDTVs...until I
started watching them with more & more non-laserdisc sources.  They look
absolutely great on laserdiscs with little motion artifacts, but once you
start using them with the typical quality of cable source; adding snow,
sparklies and other grunge to the picture, they start to look pretty bad. 
They can't filter or 'see through' the grunge to the picture like a human
brain can, so that stuff just gets added into the digital morass... and
ends up looking much worse than it would without the IDTV processing.  I
know of one consumer reviewer that will not list the ProScan IDTVs in his
reviews for this reason (but he likes the other non-IDTV ProScans a lot). 
If there was a way to 'turn off the IDTV processing' for the occasional bad
source, he'd rate it.

True, you can turn up the video noise reduction on the ProScans and it
helps some, but then the picture loses most, if not all, of it's detail.

The 80 series ProScans are selling pretty well here in Silicon Valley from
what I've heard.  An unrelated problem I have with the ProScan line is that
RCA only markets the set through local dealers and you cannot get it
through mail order at a discount.  Personally, I don't think it's worth the
extra money I'd have to pay to a local dealer.

The Perfect Vision loved the Toshiba CZ3299Z for it's detail, colors and
smooth film like quality, but they have yet to review the ProScan IDTVs. 
I'm pretty sure they only rated the set with laserdisc or satellite
sources.  Wish it was more real world testing.  

So, I'd say if your cable source is perfect or you watch mostly laserdiscs,
get an IDTV and be happy with the smoother picture (especially at the
liquidating price of the Toshiba).

name: Pete Helme
mail: pvh@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: sharadg@fai.com (Sharad Gavali )
Subject: Recommendations for Camcorder
Organization: Fujitsu America, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:34:09 GMT

   
   
 I started reading this news group recently. I am aware of the recent
 discussion about TR 81 and TR 101. Since I am interested in buying a camcorder
 can someone give me the following information
        
    1) What are the differences between TR 81 and 101 ? I know the price
       difference is around $ 400. Is this extra price worth ? Is TR 81
       more reliable than TR 101 ?
    2) Are there any better choices like Panasonic etc ?
    3) What are the best prices for recommended models and where to get them?

 Comments from experts on this group will be appreciated. Please send your
 replies to

                  sharadg@fai.fai.com

Thanks

Sharad
From: T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Playing S-VHS videotape on VHS equipment
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:29:26 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

GNICK@RCHVMP3.VNET.IBM.COM writes:

>If I have a source videotape that was recorded in S-VHS format, and I
>play it back on various combinations of equipment, what will be the
>resulting quality (relative or absolute) of the image on the monitor?
>Could someone fill in the right-hand column of the chart below giving
>combinations of playback equipment (remember:  the source videotape is
>S-VHS).  Are there any combinations that will not work with a S-VHS tape?
>(Assume cabling is correct and not a detractor.)

>+==========+==========+=================================================
>| Playback | Playback | Resulting Image Quality, Compatibility, Etc.
>| VCR      | Monitor  |
>+==========+==========+=================================================
>|S-VHS     |S-Video   | Super!  (this combination is what the high price
>|          |          |          really pays for)
>+----------+----------+-------------------------------------------------
>|S-VHS     |Standard  | Slightly negligibly worse than above.  Not
>|          |newer TV  | really noticible.
>|          |using RCA |
>|          |Video In  |
>+----------+----------+-------------------------------------------------
>|S-VHS     |Standard  | Re drops to about 320 is lines, still better
>|          |older TV  | than VHS rea though.  Colour looks better
>|          |using An- | than VHS.
>|          |tenna In  |
>+----------+----------+-------------------------------------------------
>|VHS       |Standard  | S-VHS tape won't work on a VHS VCR
>|          |newer TV  |
>|          |using RCA |
>|          |Video In  |
>+----------+----------+-------------------------------------------------
>|VHS       |Standard  | ditto
>|          |older TV  |
>|          |using An- |
>|          |tenna In  |
>+==========+==========+=================================================

 BTW,  In good ol' PAL land I use a SVHS VCR to a compter monitor with both Y/C
separate ( s ) inputs and composite and there aint much difference between
them.

Graeme

{---    T.G.Nattress@uk.ac.ncl -----------------------------------------}
{--------------------------------- The Moral of this story is: ---------}
{---    Never trust a Venusian Floghorn with a Perigosto Stick. --------}
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From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Sony's new MDP-455 LD player...
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:40:23 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: manx.cs.utexas.edu

In article <53530023@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> teoallan@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Allan TEO) writes:
> The Sony 455 uses the UMATIC tape technology to 
> reproduce the picture on the tv. It is rated as the BEST
> low end player in Japan.

???
In what way can a laser disc player use tape technology?
Also, who did the rating of the various players?

Thanks,
Doug
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Sony TR-81 vs. Sony FX710
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:17:41 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1e8un2INNrie@gizmo.usc.edu>, kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty) writes:
> 
> I was all set to mail order a Sony TR-81 from Computability ($889 including
> shipping), when I saw an ad from Silo advertising a Hi8 camcorder that I had
> not heard of, the FX710.  Does anybody know how this compares to the TR-81?
> 
> Also, is there a better mail-order price for the TR-81 than $889?  How about
> a good mail-order price for the FX710?

The FX710 is a "mid-size" Hi8mm CamCorder (where a TR-81 is compact and a V801
is full size).  It has the new home base charger unit i.e. you leave the base
connected to your TV and just slide the 710 onto it for playback.  The 710 
also has 10:1 zoom versus a 8:1 zoom on the TR-81.  If you don't mind a larger 
unit the 710 may be a better buy.
From: teoallan@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Allan TEO)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:22:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Sony's new MDP-455 LD player...
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.video

 The Sony 455 uses the UMATIC tape technology to 
 reproduce the picture on the tv. It is rated as the BEST
 low end player in Japan.

 Regds
 Allan

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: Protecting laserdiscs
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:26:16 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Phil Kim (kimp@rpi.edu) wrote:

> Where can I buy the laserdisc (or LP) protective jacket?

Starship has poly-lined inner sleeves, white cardboard jackets (with and
without center holes) and polypropylene outer sleeves (optionally
re-sealable).  From article LD#14....

>*** Starship Audio-Industries
>    605 Utterback Store Road
>    Great Falls   VA   22066
>
>    (703) 450-5780
>    FAX: (703) 430-6657
>    Hours: M-T: 11:00 AM - 7:00 PM EST/EDT
>           Fri: 11:00 AM - 6:30 PM
>    Mail order only.
>    Credit cards: yes
>
>    10% standard discount.
>    Warranty: unlimited while the title is in print, 30 days thereafter.
>    Periodic sales.
>    Imports: Yes, some stocked.
>    I have ordered from them a few times.
>    Note: Their catalogs and flyers are the only ones that consistently
>          attempt to ID the media manufacturer (pressing plant).  They also
>          have THE most robust shipping carton.  It has extended corners to
>          absorb impact damage so that the LDs don't split the jacket
>          spines.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: gihan@bmerh886.BNR.CA (Gihan Karunaratne)
Subject: Re: XBR^2 vs Gaoo vs SuperFlat (long)
Keywords: tv
Reply-To: gihan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:22:51 GMT

Just to clarify, in performing the VIDEO CALIBRATION did you only
use the controls provided with the TV? I mean did you use the
service mode on the SONY or have to take the back off of the Panasonic? 


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Gihan R. Karunaratne    
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1Y 4H7 
e-mail: gihan@BNR.CA (INTERNET)

"All flesh is grass"
                -- Isiah
Smoke a friend today.
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale)
Subject: Re: LD-101: A Pornographic Standard
Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:58:00 GMT

I think someone is just telling you stories.  I have a copy of LD-101
purchased retail in a store in Mississauga (i.e. in Canada).
I think I've also seen it in Sam's in Toronto.  A while ago, someone
posted the address of the Canadian distributor.

So who is the store that says they can't get it?

	Dave
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: mucci@circle.cs.jhu.edu (Philip Mucci)
Subject: Pioneer CLD-S201 opinions wanted...
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:53:01 GMT

	Subject pretty much says it all. Does anyone have any opinions
on this player?

	-P.m
From: slb@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Stacey Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Camcorder for sale / only partly working (SONY)
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:40:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ


SONY 8mm Camcorder CCD-F30...................$100 (i pay shipping)
Tape section has problems....................(obo)
it will play 8mm tapes, but not record
video section only works monochrome (B/W)
includes power adapter for AC

-----------------------------------
Add $5 for COD for the above 
 
-----------------------------------

If interested contact:::

    Stacey Brewer
    1200 S. Riordan Ranch St. #5
    Flagstaff, AZ
                    86001

    (602)773-0274

------

slb@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: CD-I to compete with LD?
Keywords: CD-I, LD
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:22:21 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <4013@eastman.UUCP> rao@kodak.com (Arun Rao) writes:
|In article <1992Nov11.161446.2677@ifi.unizh.ch>, hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner) writes:
||| In article <27972@castle.ed.ac.uk> sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock) writes:
||| |Rumour alert.
||| |A friend of mine met a chap who is experimenting with fractal compression
||| |who showed him a 486 PC laptop with the whole of Casablanca compressed onto
||| |a 1.44 meg disc.  The image was small but only because the PC didn't have
||| |the performance to uncompress the image to a large display, the fellow
||| |claims that every detail is there and only needs a more powerful computer
||| |to show it.
||| |If this is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve it, and this can be got
||| |to market CD-I will be dead along with all the other compression systems
||| |used today for video.
||| 
||| I do have reason to disbelieve it. Let's do some calculations:
||| Let's say "Casablanca" is about 90 minutes long, then there are
||| 90 * 60 * 24 ~ 130000 frames. Every frame has, let's say, 300 * 450 Pixels
||| ( mediocre spatial resolution ) a 2 Bytes ( D1 standard ) ~ 270000 Bytes,
||| gives a total of ~ 35 Gigabyte or a compression factor of over 24000!!!
||| This is not possible! I have heard of factors around 100 for single images,
||| but not many thousands for sequences. "Casablanca" compressed to 1.44 Mega-
||| bytes has very small single frames with reasonable quality. Further blow up
||| will add detail, but not detail identical to the detail of the original
||| frames. At best it looks strange, at worst it gets unwatchable.
||| 								M.H.
|
|
|	... but fractal compression is another story altogether, if we're
|	to believe researchers.  Compression ratios of 10,000:1 are routinely
|	claimed for fractal techniques, but I have not heard of anyone doing
|	anything quite so, well, *practical* with them.

Also, I'm not sure if the compressed movie is just a bunch of frames. 
There are packages that allow you to store numerous versions of a file.
The first time it stores the file's image, the next time, it merely
stores the DIFFERENCES between file1 and file2.  In the movie business,
you're going to get a LOT of frames that are VERY similar, surely it
would be much more efficient to store just the differences between
frame1 and frame2, than to store the whole frame (assuming that the
hardware was fast enough to extract the data).  If this technique is
being used, along with the amazing fractal compression techniques, it
may very well be quite possible.

|	-Arun
|
|
|Arun Rao, PhD
|Senior Research Scientist
|Recognition & Information Processing Group
|Eastman Kodak Company
|Rochester, NY 14650-1816

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: buti@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ajay.k.buti)
Subject: Need Opinion/Advice: Sony's F501 or TR9
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:09:49 GMT
Keywords: camcorder, sony


A local store here in Illinois is selling Sony's CCD-F501 
camcorder for $650 and the TR9 for $600.

To me the F-501 seems to be better than the TR9. However,
I would like opinions from you folks.

E-mail replies to att!ihlpy!buti will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Ajay Buti
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: ranma@pegasus.com (Doug Cha)
Subject: Bose AM-5's vs the Polk RM3000
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Distribution: rec.video,rec.audio
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:12:41 GMT


	I don't have any immediate plans to buy either, but would like to
know what people think of both sattelite units.  I also like the looks of
that bose AM-7 setup as well..
	Please e-mail comments to me.

-- 
++++++++Neo Jion Press and PE '92+++++----
+            "Some writers I know are DAMNED devils,
                 	For them I say 'Don't Believe the Hype'..."
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.arts.tv,rec.video.production
From: ddogan@AFIT.AF.MIL (Darryl Dogan)
Subject: Re: Great Simpsons Quote from 11/3/92 episode
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:19:14 GMT

In article <BxMu16.JJF@egsner.cirr.com> datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
>Subject: Re: Great Simpsons Quote from 11/3/92 episode
>Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:10:13 GMT

>There was a "Video Pirates" sketch in a movie -- @i(Kentucky Fried Movie),
>I think.  They came across a trunk full of LD's, and the comments included
>"They're obsolete!" and "They aren't compatible with my system!".

Sorry, that wasn't "Kentucky Fired Movie" -- it was "Amazon Women on the 
Moon".
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: wyant@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Pat Wyant)
Subject: Re: "Trinitone"
Summary: Trinitone on the original XBR
Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:05:48 GMT

From article <1992Nov17.154940.25565@bnr.ca>, by dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer):
> In article <Bxu2Lu.7o@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, mullen@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Preston Mullen) writes:
> |> Jim Millick's remarks about color temperature adjustment of XBR^2
> |> reminded me that the KV20EXR10 has a "Trinitone" adjustment, which I
> |> take to be a color temperature adjustment with "high" and "low"
> |> settings.
> |> 
> |> So, is TRINITONE real, or is it a placebo feature?
> 
> I played with the Trinitone adjustment on my friends 4 year old XBR, and
> I couldn't see any difference.
> 
> The Panasonic GAOOs with the superflat screens have a color temperature
> adjustment that adjusts between 'Cool', 'Normal' and 'Warm'.  I can see
> only a very slight difference in the whites.

  The earliest Sony XBR's (e.g., KV-25XBR) had a three position "Trinitone"
feature to change the color temperature.  It had a clear effect on whites
and could substantially alter the appearance of B&W pictures (old movies).
It was offered as another way to compensate for room lighting and display.

  For example, "RED" was best for B&W movies (rare during prime time),
while "BLUE" gave a more video appearance.  The colorimetry of the XBR
was more like film than video anyway, and we found "WHITE" best for
ordinary viewing.  Evidently, this is not a heavily used feature (we
almost never change it), so Sony is removing it.


                                           Patrick Wyant
                                           Wilmington, DE 19880-0320
                                           wyant@eplrx7.es.dupont.com

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: MACDONAN@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: art and technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:06:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

Please post ideas on art and technology for a possible conference.
Special emphasis on performing arts.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: buck@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Loren Buchanan)
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi: aint what I thot
Followup-To: rec.video
Summary: And be thankful that its not
Keywords: SciFi
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:20:28 GMT

In article <1010006@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) writes:
>As it turns out, I awaited like everyone else in my subscriber area for
>the first day of Sci-fi channel.  

Me to!

>Well, now that I have it, I am glad it is on basic service... I would not
>pay for it.  

Same here.

[[[complaints deleted]]]

I am actually relieved that it is as bad as you say it is.  It does not 
suck up as much of my time as I thought it would.  But, in January when
we start getting the program guide I will probably be glad that we have
two VCRs.  I expect it will improve as more and more cable stations pick
it up (only about 1/2 the cable stations in the Washington DC area carry
it).

B Cing U

Buck

P.S.  Besides there are some people who like Space $19.99, the Inedible 
Bulk, Cattle Car Plastica, Voyage to the bottom of the fish tank, etc.
Oh, we watch Dark Shadows (mostly my wife) and the Prisoner (mostly me)
and other odds and ends as we catch them.


-- 
Loren Buchanan (buck@curie.nrl.navy.mil) | #include <standard.disclaimer>
NRL Code 5842, 4555 Overlook Ave.        | #include <computer.graphics>
Washington, DC 20375      (202) 767-3884 | #include <electronic.music>
Phone tag, America's fastest growing business sport.
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