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From: sbarnes@dragger.ifmt.nf.ca (Spencer J. Barnes)
Subject: Re: Star Trek writers make another continuity mistake
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:24:34 GMT

In <abick.723922642@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:


>	I just saw "The Child" yesterday... (I know, how did I make it
>through seeing it once let alone twice.) and surprizingly it was worth my
>while.
>	Of course it is where all the changes took place...Geordi & Worf's
>new uniform, Riker's beard, new doctor but it also was Guinan's debut and
>where the error was made.
>	When everyone's favorite character...Wesley Crusher was talking to
>Guinan, he said something along the lines "Is it true that you and the
>captain met when he was on the Stargazer?" and Guinana replied "No, I
>didn't meet the captain until I got on the Enterprise."
>	Now according to Time's Arrow, this is not the case since she
>would have met him BEFORE joining the Enterprise. Now if she had said "No,
>Captain Picard didn't meet me until I got on board the Enterprise" that
>would have worked!
>	I don't know if this was raised before. I know there were a lot of
>posts out when Times Arrow II came out but since I hadn't seen the show at
>the time, I didn't read them.
>	Anyways, is there some way the writers planned to get around this
>problem or where they like all of us who couldn't stand to see "The Child"
>again so they forgot Guinan's remark?

>Alan Bick

This is probably the result of Guinan trying not to influence the captains action as she knew when they first met, he (at the point of the child) did not.

On an unrelated topic?  (Without Vicious Flames [WVF])  what's the problem
everyone seems to have with ships counsellor Troi?

Spencer
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From: tperreau@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (The Mad Scot)
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Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:41:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: zia.1992Dec12.134146.27795
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <724034368.0@ttlg.ttlg.UUCP> Tom.Hall@ttlg.UUCP (Tom Hall) writes:
>To: s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera) 
> On 12-05-92 Sunil M Perera wrote to All... 
> 
> SM>      "Vengence is a dish best served cold" - Khan Singh (ST II) 
> 
>Actually, I believe it's "Revenge is a dish best served cold"... 
> 
>... OFFLINE 1.40 
>
> * Origin: Ten Forward (1:342/1)

And Gahk (sp?) is a dish best served live...
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From: cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:25:53 GMT

It is true that Riker was given command of the E during BOBW by
default, but I believe he would have kept it if Picard had decided
to retire after his rendez vous with the Borg.  Remember, defeating
the Borg made Riker THE hero of the Federation, and what's her name
(the woman who was his Number 1) thought he would have his choice 
of any command he wanted.  Defeating the Borg was no small potatoes,
and it it somewhat incongruous for him to remain on the E as
second in command so long after.

Carolyn Adams-Price



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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: Dear Saint Nick
Keywords: Christmas,Picard,Creative
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:51:29 GMT


I saw the followup to this Dear Saint Nick post but I don't seem to have
the original post. I've looked back and it doesn't seem to be here. Can
someone either repost it or email it to me please.
Based on the part that was copied in the followup it really looked good!

Thanks in advance.

Alan Bick
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
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Subject: Capt. Jellico
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:02:55 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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Is this the Captain Jellico of the Solar Queen?

;-P

(Andrew North/Andre Norton readers may recognize)

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From: labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson)
Subject: TNG Last Season?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:51:47 GMT


This article is copied from _The Seattle Time_'s _What's Happening_
magazine, Friday, 12/11/92 Copied WITHOUT permission.

---begin quote---
By John Engstrom, P-I Television Critic

     Trekkies salivating at the mere though of "Star Trek: Deep Space
Nine," the much anticipated second spinoff from the original series,
should mark Jan. 4 on their calendars.
     "Deep Space Nine" will premier that night at 8 on KCPQ with a
two-hour movie.
     The show's regular schedule, beginning Jan. 16, will be a one-hour
episode on Saturdays at 6 p.m., repeated on Sunday (time to be determined).
     The fate of "Star Trek: The Next Generation," currently the most
popular syndicated show on television, is a mystery.
     KCPQ says it understands that the show, now in its sixth season, will
be finished as of May.
     But a recent report in the Loas Angeles Daily News, following up on a
rumor that Patrick Stewart was leaving the role of Capt. Jean-Luc Picard,
said the production company was attempting to re-sign the entire cast to
new contracts.
     The PR firm that handles the show said yesterday it could neither
confim nor deny any of the reports.
---end quote---

Anybody care to comment?
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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: DS9 in boston area?
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:11:27 GMT

cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:

>ok, i keep reading posts about DS9 here and there...
>does anyone know what the story is for the boston area?

Last year, when channel 56 ran their Star Trek marathon, they
advertised that they'd be carrying DS9 when it started in January.
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From: spock@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott)
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:51:24 GMT

>I was watching TV last night and saw some random show about "Fighter Jets"
>and realized why the Federation Phasers always hit (And track) their targets,
>while everyone elses always miss.  (Really, Why is it that everytime Riker
>and "The Evil Alien Being" get into a shoot out, the alien always misses,
>and Riker only needs one shot to stun the alien.)
>
	This is not true. There have been episodes where the E has missed
   phaser shots. Look at "Rascals" for example. When the Ferengi attacked the
   E, Riker tried to attack, but failed in his attempt allowing the Ferengi to
   board the E. This Klingon attack scene was recycled from a previous episode,
   so the E has missed before.
	Every time the E has directly hit a ship, the phasers were locked on
   the target and every time they missed notice that no one said "Phasers 
   locked... " For the hand held phaser, there is no evidence that there's a 
   pattern lock on the subject being shot. If there was, it would make shooting
   to easy.

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Episode question
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:41:35 GMT

>>Quick question -- what is the name of the episode where Worf meets
>>his brother, goes back to "Kling" andeventually get "discommendation"?
>                           ^^^^^^^
>A little bit off the subject, but this and other episodes refer 
>to the planet as the "Klingon homeworld" only, I believe. Is this Chronos
>(or Kronos) from Star Trek VI?  They must have repaired their ozone layer
>by this point.. anyone remember a reference to the planet by name in TNG?

Now, I know this subject has been BEATEN to death, so I'm wary to bring it
up again, but I wonder why TNG hasn't said what the Klingon Homeworld is,
are there future plans for TOS and/or TNG movies? Hmmm...

Anyways, just a bit o' speculation on my part...

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:54:48 GMT

In article <rawdon.724298914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1ggoe2INN6ig@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>>Header says it all: are they throwing TNG away, finally? And replacing
>>it with DS9?
>There are ALWAYS repeats after the first nine or ten episodes of the season.
>And they've only shown THREE so far.  That's hardly a lot of reruns, given
>that they only show 26 episodes per season.

	And they've only been doing this for the last five seasons....

>Is it just me, or does it seem like hardly anyone pays any attention to this
>stuff?

	Remember, Michael....this is your typical Trek viewer....


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From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:17:05 GMT

hodge3726@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Mike Hollander suggested a female captian for the E.  While he believes it may
	Have we all forgotten something here?  The Enterprise-E already HAS a
CO: Admiral Data! (if you don't know what I'm talking about, read _IMZADI_ by
Peter David).  Please, no flames saying "But the books aren't canon!"  The
Big E-E would be best suited by being commanded by an android.
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From: galsci!cmckeithan
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Subject: Re: Show Us the Enterprise-B and E!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:22:06 EST
Reply-To: iccdev!galsci!cmckeithan
Organization: Galaxy Scientific Corp.

vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:

> There is one major problem with debuting the Enterprise 1701-E.
> According to the TNG Technical Manual, the life span of a Galaxy-class
> starship is 100 years.  Thus, the Enterprise Model E would be debuting
> around the 25th century--and thus would be more likely commanded by
> Colonel Wilma Deering (who, after all, does outrank Buck Rogers).
> Destroying Enterprise-D will do no good either, as the replacement
> E will in all likelihood be a Galaxy-class ship.

Why is that?  Just because the ship is designed to last 100 years?
If you look at various navies around the world today, you will see a
number of WWII era ships still in service.  These ships have lasted over
50 years (though I don't know if they were designed for that).  The mere
fact that Galaxy-class starships would still be in use would not preclude
Starfleet from designing newer, bigger, better ships, and naming one
of these new ships Enterprise, SN 1701-E.

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From: Cindy_Bale@net.com (Cindy Bale)
Subject: Re: What is DS9 going to be about?  Any details known?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:39:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.003526.22691@netcom.com>, noring@netcom.com (Jon
Noring) wrote:
> 
> The title says it all.  What will DS9 be all about - similarities, differences
> and relationship (story-line-wise) to TNG and TOS.
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Jon Noring
> 
> -- 
> 
> =============================================================================

Three other characters:

Odo (a Data clone in many ways) is a gelatinous substance that can take any
form that he can see.  He takes humanoid form and is played by Rene
Auberjonois.  He is a "shape shifter" and doesn't know where he came from
and if there are any more at home like him...

There is also a young reckless male officer who has the hots for the
"trill".

The commander's young son will also be a featured character.

Cindy Bale
From: dxs@Unify.Com (Dale R. Shaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A must to see  (hear)
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:34:42 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, California

In article <1992Dec12.105916.19398@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>>Picture this:
>>Camera pulls away from an unmarked door.  As the camera stops when the full
>>door is shown, you hear a futuristic-sounding flush.   Seconds later, Captain
>>Peckard (sp?) comes out, fixing his uniform as he so often does. He looks
>>around, and begins walking away.
>>
>>Maybe at that point Data passes the captain, says "excuse me', and walks in the
>>bathroom himself.  A perplexed captain goes to the bridge.
>>
>>I think this kind of everyday life and comedy is lacking from TNG.   I want a
>>toilet scene, and I want it now.
>
>Ah yes, what a good idea. Take valuable air time, and waste it on... crap.

And, like, how would this be any different from the current running season?

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: airplane ii and tng
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:57:47 EST

I just watched "Airplane II: The Sequel" today and noticed a VERY
familiar set!  Re-watch the bridge of that lunar base on Alpha Beta.
It's the exact same set that was used on "The Quality of Life"!  You
know, that particle fountain place?  I could tell by the grating and
that strange contraption with the long beam of red lights.  In fact,
Shatner in "Airplane II" makes a comment about those flashing, bleeping,
beeping, and blinking lights!

Anybody else agree?  Can anyone confirm this?  IS it the same set?


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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 01:54:59 EST

In article <rawdon.724529836@cs.wisc.edu>
rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
 
>
>In <HEM.92Dec16120711@col400.col400.att.com> hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
>>   In <1992Dec14.103941.14075@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:
>
>>   >  Personally, though, I would prefer to see the new captain of
>>   >the Enterprise to be non-human.  I can't think of any instances
>>   >where Starfleet captains haven't been human (mostly male, and
>>   >always with American accents! :-)  )
>
>>Remember the episode where Starfleet was infiltrated by the alien
>>parasites.  One of the captains of the three ships that met with Picard
>>secretly was non-human.
>
>Another in that episode was a black female.
>
>Then there was the USS Intrepid in Classic Star Trek, which had an all-Vulcan
>crew, including (one presumes) a Vulcan captain.
>
>Spock was captain of the Enterprise at the start of Star Trek II.
>
>The captain of the Enterprise 1701-C in "Yesterday's Enterprise" was female.
>
>The captain of the Saratoga in Star Trek IV was female (and black, if I recall
>correctly).
>
   So females and blacks are non-human?  :)
 
   Let's omit the admirals since my memory is that there were more "minority"
admirals than white male admirals in the films and TNG (TOS was '60s, so let's
give them a break.)
   Adding to the list of "minority" captains:
 
   Terrell in Trek II was black;
   An Indian captain in Trek IV;
   Wasn't the captain of USS Yamata in "Contagion" black?
    ...and  WHY THE HELL HASN'T ANYBODY BROUGHT THIS ONE UP?  Sulu!!!!
 
   Also, FYI, in Trek I, the C-in-C of Starfleet (not seen but mentionned)
was Nogura, most likely a Japanese;
   In Trek III, Adm. Morrow (who I believe was C-in-C, re: "Jim, you're the
best officer I got!) was black;
   In Trek V, the C-in-C was (probably) Jewish, since he was played by Harve
Bennett.
 
   Also, scores of female professionals/scientists (presumably with doctorates)
who look  great in miniskirts...
 
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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:37:39 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <rawdon.723878677@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> In <Byz0Bu.2sJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
>>In article <1g0t0qINNrv4@life.ai.mit.edu> botteron@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu (Carol J. Botteron) writes:
>>>Not to start or repeat any rumors, but just suppose that Captain
>>>Picard gets promoted to admiral, and the E needs a new captain.
>>>Who should it be?
> 
>>  Anyone who is going to replace Stewart will have to be as charismatic,
>>enigmatic, well-rounded, seasnoned, and talented as Stewart.  Frakes is right
>>out.  Without Picard he's nothing. I would suggest someone like Sean Connery
>>or Peter O'Tool.  Of course, being such big stars, they probably never do it.

Didn't Peter O'Toole die a few years ago? Or am I thinking of someone
else?
Sean Connery would be great ("Bond. Captain James T. Bond, of the 
Enterprise Import and Export Company, Ltd." :-), but how about 
Michael Caine? I'm sure it would liven up the back stage of TNG 
considerably, having a pair of Cockneys (Caine and Marina Sirtis)... :-)

> I'd be happy with just about any decent actor as long as they improve the
> *writing*.

Better writing would be nice, no matter how good the writing is to
begin with...

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From: ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent)
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Organization: Office for Information Management, University of Illinois
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:22:29 GMT

In article <ericw.724358472@hobbes> ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa) writes:

>I was watching TV last night and saw some random show about "Fighter Jets"
>and realized why the Federation Phasers always hit (And track) their targets,
>while everyone elses always miss.  (Really, Why is it that everytime Riker
>and "The Evil Alien Being" get into a shoot out, the alien always misses,
>and Riker only needs one shot to stun the alien.)

>Federation Hand Phasers come equiped with RADAR Lock, ECM, and a gyroscopic
>interface to track the target as the target and/or Riker are moving!!!

>>>>>Ericw
>(This certainly ranks up there with "Why is there sound in space?")
>(OK, so sue me,  I haven't had enought coffee yet, and I didn't want to
>start a flame war over why TNG is so much better/worse than TOS)
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Not true... as someone mentioned a few weeks (months?) ago, Worf couldn't 
hit the broad side of a barn with his phaser.  Chances are the barn would 
turn around and whip his butt. :-)

John Ternent
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