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From: Julian_Reschke@ms.maus.de (Julian Reschke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Making the screen one line
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:54:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.05/beta

William Rosenkranz (rosenkra@convex.com) wrote:
>so what are "native graphics modes"? is this, too, something that will
>go away in the future?

Perhaps. Think of it. Why should Atari support something like ST-Medium on
future machines (if it costs money)?

>is X/GEM gaining exceptance anywhere? i remember reading about this a year
>or so ago and have not heard anything since. does atari plan to use this
>when they get their unix thing geared up?

X/GEM has (yet) nothing to do with X or Unix. It's a GEM version for
FlexOS, DR's realtime multitasking OS for Intel machines.

>this means i have to pump myself up into the belief that it is actually fun
>to program GEM applications. this is not what i recall, however. the other
>alternative is to offer what i have (including source) and let someone else
>worry about portability. the way i look at it is i am going to go thru an
>exercise where 60-80% of the code is UI, then i might as well find a
>publisher and sell the thing. now i'll have to dig back into my gem
>toolbox...

Perhaps you should try it a second time. VDI and AES really aren't that
different than other operating systems (especially the simple line drawing
stuff and so on).
From: boyd@phi.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Are Ataris really this bad with HD's?
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:21:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailer.1992Apr11.112507.18707
Reply-To: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

In article <1992Apr8.111745.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, comptec91006@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>I have a SyQuest hard disk with an ICD controller.  I have a 14 meg Atari
>partition and a 30 meg partition for Spectre GCR (Mac emulator)...
>Whenever a file is written to disk in Atari mode the system locks up for
>about 5 seconds and then suddenly spits the file onto the disk.  Presumably
>it is reading the directory and FAT during this delay.  I know the drive is
>reasonably fast - in Mac mode it will write files instantly.  It seems that
>the Atari operating system is very slow when dealing with anything bigger than
>a floppy disk (which doesn't surprise me).  Does anyone else have this problem?
>I have TOS 1.3...  Do the new versions of TOS have the same problem?
>                                                     /\/\ike

I don't think there is a TOS 1.3.  If you have less than TOS 1.4, you should 
get a copy of FATSPEED and stick it in your AUTO folder.  I think this will 
solve your problem.

My HD writes very fast, and I am using TOS 1.2 with FATSPEED.

Also, be sure to get a copy of foldrxxx.prg (unless you are using an ICD 
host adaptor, in which case the ICD software takes care of extra folder 
allocation).  I think that with ANY version of TOS there are at least a 
couple of little AUTO folder "bug fix" type programs one needs.  They are 
different for the different versions of TOS.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: Personality Matching Software
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:15:34 GMT


I need some software!  Does anyone know of any software that can
produce compatibility data between people.  I.E., pass out
questionaires to people, have them give answers to the questions, then
plug the answers into the computer and find out who the top ten most
compatible members of the opposite sex are.

I'm looking for anything from PD, ShareWare, to Commercial.  I need it
fairly soon, too.  Please respond via e-mail, just to make sure I
don't miss any postings.

Thanks alot.

Joe
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: Good software (Was: mega ste price
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:27:54 GMT

In article <H.oulhC1aEbuI@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>In <12548@umd5.umd.edu>, Alok Dhir writes:
>>"the above would probably cost $9K"...
>>
>>A new 486/50 EISA clone can be had with all the frills for around $4500.
>>
>    Priced Unix lately? How about the price of Unix software?

Have you priced 50 EISA lately?  Try "CLONES ARE US".  Seen 50 Mhz EISA for as
little as $2700 with all the frills.
From: root@myst.uucp (John B. Bunch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Amiga IFF sound to Atari .snd or similiar....
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:43:52 GMT
Reply-To: sixhub!myst!root@crdgw1.ge.com
Followup-To: sender
Organization: JB's News and Mail
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992

Howdy,

  I would like to know how to ga about converting IIF sounds to .snd or
some similiar format playable on the st...  Any Info would be aprecciated.

John Bunch.


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From: dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: __NEW__ Mega STE deal
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:53:58 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

New Atari Package Deals!

	Purchase a MEGA STE and get cash off on the monitor.

	 example:
	  one store, nameless, offers

		MEGA STE 1 	$849
		MEGA STE 2	$899
		MEGA STE 4	$989

	Add a 50 meg hard drive with 19ms for $100
	Add a 68881 co processor for $79

	With the monitors:
		SC 1435	$339 regular price
			$249 with any MEGA

		SM147	$189 regular price
			$159 with any MEGA

		SC 1224 $229 regular price
			$159 with any MEGA

 These prices are current.  BTW, this is an ATARI deal.  They are sponsoring
this package deal.  $1250 for a color 4 meg MEGA STE is a really good deal. 
Not to mention, the prices are dropping.  Something like this is what to watch
out for.

Mark Santora
  My name is Mark, but my friends call me Mark...
						Founder D.D.I. Productions

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org (John Trimble)
Subject: Re: FAX Software for Supra or Zyxel
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:00:20 GMT

try Joppa Software Development
P.O. Box 214
Dallastown, PA  17313-0214
(717)428-3231 FAX=(717)428-0424

I just received their flyer, but haven't seen or used the software which lists for $69.95

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From: caude@ewu.UUCP (Chuck Aude)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari ST Files
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:19:42 GMT
Reply-To: caude@ewu.edu (Chuck Aude)
Organization: Eastern Washington University, Cheney WA.

In article <2447@keele.keele.ac.uk> cca10@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Craig Armstrong) writes:
>		atari.archive.umich.edu
>		    (141.211.164.8)
>	
>This site has a vast amount of software for the atari and if the
>software that you're after is out there then it's more than likely at
>Michigan.

Does anyone know anything about the computer program at U of Michigan?  I hear
alot about Atari and FTP from there, but what is the actual academic standing 
of the University?  Do they support and USE Ataris?  (This would be enough to
make me want to switch schools!)

						Chuck Aude
>>> Stuck in the Atari GraveYard of the USA - Eastern Washington University
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 17:49:24 EDT
From: J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MiNT Mouse

  Well, I took the plunge into MiNT last night, got it and MGR up and running,
and have a few questions.
  1. The mouse was very hard to control.  Is this normal?  It would sort of
lag behind my movements, then catch up , and just be very ornery about
things.
  2. In mgr, I was able to get font to change the fonts, but browse kept on
saying there were no icon files found, even though I explicitly stated the
path to the icon folder.  Any ideas on this one?
  3. I am not sure what I am missing to get mgrterm to work.  It simply
does nothing on my screens window where I run it.  I am not exactly sure what
to do with TERMCAP and the like, any help here?  I am using the init, and
init.rc from Mr. Pratt's file, and changed the drives in the .rc to reflect
where mine were, but did not see anything concerning TERM orTERMCAP in them.

Basically I would like to be able to open a window in vt100 mode to connect to
our vm/cms system here, and the unix boxes, but I HAVE to have vt100 for the
3090.  So, basically, IS there a term for mgr to handle this, and if so anyone
care to go through what I need to do to get it to work?
   4.  Editors, well, I have used vi, micro-emacs, etc, but would anyone have
any reccomendations on which ST editor I should use in mint and mgr?
   5.  Same question as above but with shells, as I said, using init right now,
but could use bash tcsh or ksh, but would like to hear reccomendations from
folks out there before going through the hassle of setting them all up and
testing.

   And finally, anywhere out there have even further docs on mint and the utils
for it, other than what is included in the package?

   Thanks in advance!
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J.J. Lehett     : Atari's, puzzles, games, chaos, fractals, math....

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  - j.lehett2                            Genie address
From: darkstar@u.washington.edu (Alden Hackmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Mouse suggestions wanted
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:04:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


I have an STe, with the standard mouse that came with it.  I'd like something  
smoother and more managable.  The store I bought it from is less than helpful,  
ie doesn't carry other mice.  Can anyone suggest a good mouse, where to order  
it, and how much it is?  

Reply by email please, to darkstar@u.washington.edu, NOT this Larry account!!  


--

Alden F.M. Hackmann                             University of Washington
darkstar@u.washington.edu                       Department of Pathology

"You can know, even for a moment, that it's your turn, 
 that you can walk with the power of a thousand generations"  - Bruce Cockburn
From: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: "True Color" (Was: Falcon)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:25:29 GMT
Reply-To: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands

>>>>> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com (BBR) writes:

BBR> Sigh... let's try it one more time...
BBR>  
BBR> "True Color" means that the human eye cannot tell the
BBR> difference between a computer generated image and the "real"
BBR> thing.

With respect to the use of the term "true color" regarding the new Atari
machines, these are the words of Leonard Tramiel:


"BTW, true color does not mean 16 million colors. It means no palette."

Source: ST Report #813.
-- 
Piet van Oostrum <piet@cs.ruu.nl>
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari 1040STe STILL for sale...
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:29:41 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

> WHY are you selling ST software since you said you getting Germulator????

I will be getting Gemulator to run Spectre...

> You said that ST is like cheap computer so WHY dont you sell for $12.00
instead?!

What kind of a stupid retard are you?  Who the hell gave you access to the
net??  Jeezus.  Learn english.

> WHY do you speak one way about Atari when you try selling
and another way when you buying PC?

I don't speak one way or the other.  I've never said I disliked STs, I said
they are unsupported and underpowered compared to other things on the market
today.  But there are still plenty of people who want them.  Where in my
post is there any subjective statement made?

Please don't send any more posts addressed to me, you give me a headache.

						- Al
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ST Port of Keynote
Keywords: Keynote
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:40:21 GMT
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL

In article <1992Apr14.090722.22272@deis35.cineca.it> fabrizio@deis64.cineca.it (Fabrizio Lugli) writes:
>In article <3762@cod.NOSC.MIL>, healy@cod.NOSC.MIL (Mike Healy) writes:
>|> 
>|> If there are any Keynote users on this group, you may find the
>|> following of interest:
>|> 
>|> 
>|> ##### Forwarded from the Keynote mailing list (keynote@blink.att.com) #####
>|> From: tjt (Tim Thompson)
>|> Subject: Atari ST version of Keynote
>
>What is Keynote ? some musical software ?
>Send more detail please.

Keynote is a music programming language and performance environment developed
by Tim Thompson at AT&T. I think it's primarily aimed at algorithmic music
performance, but it has all the real-time support required for regular
sequencing tasks as well. There is also a graphical environment with music
editor (player-piano roll-style music format) along with the other stuff.

Keynote is somewhat like FORTH in that you can simply add new words to the
language by putting together the built-ins and other procedures.

I've been using a beta version of Mike Healy's ST port off and on for a few
weeks now, it's pretty stable and I had only a couple minor gripes about it.

If you're interested in MIDI, music, fractal music, other programmed approaches
to generating music, etc., Keynote is definitely worth looking into. I don't
believe it has support for printing scores in the current distribution, but
you could probably learn enough of the keynote language to make a really cool
WYSIWYG music editor and playback front end as well. The system as a whole is
incredibly powerful, and well worth your time, if you're interested in music.
(There's the implicit assumption that you're also interested in computers,
else why would you be reading this newsgroup, eh?)

Even if you're just interested in sequencing, recording tracks, etc., keynote
has all of that support already. Also, the programmatic approach to music
can be incredibly handy. Like say, you define a phrase
	a="c d e f g"

You can then perform various functions and operations on this phrase:
	a = a + a

Turns the phrase into "c d e f g c d e f g", pretty much as you'd expect.

Or call up something like,
	transpose(a, -3)

to take the phrase down a third, etc. Makes global modification of MIDI tracks
incredibly simple...
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
From: georgew@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (George Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: question about game: "Baby Jo in: Going Home"
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:29:30 GMT
Reply-To: georgew@tekig1.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton, Oregon, USA

In article <1992Apr12.222117.11403@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au> mattw@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au (Matthew Watson) writes:
>I got the demo version off a ST Format cover disk and all I do to get past
>the duck is to click the fire button. Further along the game just fades
>out and goes to the title screen when you get to a certain point. The duck
>is about a third of the way there..........

My children tried this a couple times last night, but it didn't seem to work.
Maybe I have a different demo version, and the duck is as far as we can get?
What happens is that Baby Jo locks up as soon as the duck appears - the
controls act dead.  The duck asks about the carrot, then offers a tip: look
for hidden treasures.  Then it goes back in its hole, and Baby Jo sits down
and cries: end of game.

George S. Walker    {decvax,hplabs,uunet}!tektronix!tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM!georgew
*OR*  georgew@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM   *OR*   georgew%tekig1.tek.com@relay.cs.net
*OR*  tekig1!georgew.tektronix@Udel-Relay  Tektronix - Committed to Excellence
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Re: What's A Fair Price for a Hard Disk?
Reply-To: plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 18:05:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.164247.18706@cdsmn.mn.org> plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate) writes:
>To elaborate:
>
>What's a fair price for a USED ~40Meg external SCSI hard disk?  I'm 
>talking about the disk, bow, power supply, AdSCSI+ and cable? 
                          ^
Sorry, I meant "box"------|   - not bow!
>
>Thanks,
>Doug Plate
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: "True Color" (Was: Falcon)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 02:20:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <6618@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> <1992Apr7.215837.21737@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
  <jonal.15@sofus.dhhalden.no>

Sigh... let's try it one more time...
 
"True Color" means that the human eye cannot tell the
difference between a computer generated image and the "real"
thing.
 
This phenomenon happens when you reach 24 bits per pixel,
giving approximately 16 million different colors.
 
The actual screen resolution is not that important, the number
of colors is.
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@isis.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: Falcons, NeXts, Macs, and Reality
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 16:42:39 GMT


Mark,

The machine was shown to deverlopers and press at the Toronto show last
weekend, so it does exist.  I've seen it personally, naturally, since
we publish Atari Interfaace magazine! :)

               Pattie Rayl (AIM)
From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcons, NeXts, Macs, and Reality
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:45:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Apr06.194502.35727
Organization: Introl Corp.

In article <1958@pegase.enst.fr> elendir@pegase.enst.fr (Vincent Habchi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr03.161226.27753@introl.introl.com>, pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz) writes:
>> >>>I thought I heard that the machine would have the "stripped-down"
>> >>>68030, the one without the MMU.
>> 
>> This would be the same as a 68020.
>> By definition a 030 has the 851 mmu built in.

My point is, I don't think a 030 is available w/o a mmu.

>
> WRONG ! You forget the data cache, the burst transfer mode !

Yes, I did forget to mention that.

But both caches are so small it is hardly worth mentioning.
You han hardly fit a small loop in the instruction cache. (From high
level languages. Hand crafted assembly is a different story.)
Also, most machines that I am familiar with do not have 2nd level caches
where burst mode would prove to be the most beneficial.
I think the hot HP 030 box did, and possibly the Mac2fx did also, but I may be
wrong. 

> Furthermore the 68EC030 has some reduced MMU to control cacheable data accesses
> PS : BTW, the 030 has a subset of the 851 inside.
As I recall, it has a few things that the 851 doesn't have. I can't recall what they
were though. It's been a while.

A memory access though an external 851 added, at least, 1 cycle (per ATC hit), and for
the (030) there is no penalty.

The ATC (commonly known as a TLB) in the 851 is also larger than the on in the 030.
030 can hold 22 while the 851, from what I recall, held at least 2x that.

>
> In fact, there is two ACs registers AC0 AC1, whose role is similar to the TTx
>in 030's MMU.
> -> The assembler coding for registers AC0 and AC1 is strictly similar to TT0
>and TT1 on normal 030, which proves the fact.
>

Which proves that they are both similar, yet slightly different.?

> This MMU is called the ACU : Access Control Unit.
Nowhere in my 030 databook does it mention that, unless the EC is a newer derivative.
Either with more changes, or different terminology. (My manual is Motorola Copyright 1987)

My point is: these differences are relatively insignificant. With the speed of
todays processors memory subsystem efficiency/speed is by far the most important
factor. If the processor has to wait for the data, it has to wait before it can
do anything with it.

Some of Sun's older 020 boxes were faster than some of the newer 030 boxes. At the same MHz,
same amt. of ram and paging, etc...
I believe one example would be the 3/260 and my 3/80.

-Pete
-- 
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From: bnell@ferrari.siemens.com (Bill Nell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: software blitting
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:55:53 GMT

I've been writing a game and I've written my own software blitter routines
(since I have a plain 520) and I was just wondering if the routines I had
were fast enough compared to any others that may be out there.

On average I can do 900 blitter operations a second.  Each operation is
16x16 pixels, computes a mask, does a couple of specific things for my game
and then combines the two rasters.  Does anyone know if this is a decent
speed or what?  I've tried the built in line-a routines a long time ago
but they are truly lame.

						Thanks
						Bill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Re: "True Color" (Was: Falcon)
Reply-To: plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 17:47:55 GMT

In article <57292@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>Sigh... let's try it one more time...
> 
>"True Color" means that the human eye cannot tell the
>difference between a computer generated image and the "real"
>thing.
> 
>This phenomenon happens when you reach 24 bits per pixel,
>giving approximately 16 million different colors.
> 
>The actual screen resolution is not that important, the number
>of colors is.
> 
>BobR

OR Truecolor can mean that the value of the pixel represents the true color
that will appear on the screen (or  Ektachrome, or dye-sublimation printer,
or Ektatherm  paper or...) as opposed to the pixel  value representing 
a vector into a color map ala pseudocolor. 

Sorry, when I saw the "sigh", I just couldn't resist! :-)

Regards,
Doug
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Word Processors
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:30:59 GMT

Well, it's not _my_ personal favorite but a lot of people swear by Word Perfect for the Atari.  It certainly is a powerful word processor, no doubt.  It's just a shame that they don't intend to release any more updates for the Atari platform.  There are a lot of reasons for this, of course, but every person who has a pirated copy of WP has surely contributed to the problem.  When you steal software, we all get hurt!

-Hutch-


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