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From: waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath)
Subject: FIS olympic/world cup specifications?
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:23:37 GMT

Does anyone know, offhand, what the official FIS
requirements/specifications are for olympic and worldcup downhill, giant
slalom, slalom, and Super G courses? I'm interested in buying a mountain
in eastern North America, and want to make a bid for the 2010 winter
olympics. 
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:58:19 GMT
Subject: Re: VAIL Questions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


> The 3 times I went to ski at Vail I didn't find it that crowded. If you
> get early enough to the bottom lift you can get up the mountain without
> wait. After that the resort is so big that you hardly ever wait.
>
> If you start skiing around 10 to 10:30 then the bottom lift is
> pretty crowded. But again once you get up there is no problem.
>

I went to Vail *once* last year.  I go fewer times each year as the problems
get worse.  We got there early (8:15), waited in line to park, waited in
line to get tickets, waited in line to get on the bottom lift, then the
top lift.  Got our first run in (trying to get over to the Highline area)
about 10:30!!  40 minute lift lines at *every* lift, front and back.

Excuse me Bruno, but I say bullsh*t to "the resort is so big that you 
hardly ever wait".  And don't say you can avoid the crowds if you know the
mountain; I know the mountain.  Vail is crowded.

Now all that being said, it is still possible to ski Vail and have fun.
Go during the week, during the "off season", during a storm and you can still
have fun as long as the employees don't verbally abuse you (or you're from
New York, and it seems like a greeting), and you have *lots* of money.

No more useless Vail posts for me this year.

Over and out,

John
From: mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Price Check: K9 Extreeme
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:30:15 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

Before you go and blow 400+ bucks on a pair of 92/93 Extremes, look around for
a pair of last years models.  I picked up a brand new pair of the 91/92 Extremes 
for $249.   The guy in the shop told me that there really wan't any difference 
between the two models except for the cosmetics.  I saved about $200 bucks or more
by not buying this years model.  That pretty much paid for the bindings!!

Mike.
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From: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
	<1992Nov5.181144.18728@nas.nasa.gov>
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:46:18

In article <1992Nov5.181144.18728@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
   >If you feel you must ski in places such as Aspen and Veil, please
                                                         ^^^^
                                                  "the mystery resort"
 
   >consider alternitives such as Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, or
   >British Columbia.              ^^
				   || Another poster (Ms. Martha Roos)
			   posted a year ago that we should boycott this
			   state for it's abortion laws.  Perhaps we should
			   direct people to Eastern resorts?

Yes, but we all know that Ms. Roos was actually one of those
Alta-lovers who keep on playing the same joke over and over and over
and over and over on this newsgroup.  I, for one, am fed up,
not-gonna-take-it-anymore, sick-and-tired of this *childish* waste of
*extremely valuable* bandwidth that wanna-be comedians like Klaus
Biggles (cardinal, as it were) keep foisting on *MY* precious
newsgroup!!!!!  I mean, it was funny at first, -- I don't want anybody
to get the wrong idea that I'm a humourless prig -- Of course I like a
good chuckle now and again.  But people like Klaus and Bob Geer and
and those other assorted jokers from Utah oughta CUT IT OUT because
it's really really really really really really really bugging me and I
don't know how to get a killfile started.
	
Hmmph...

Exasperatedly, 

| _, launce gouw * internet: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu * ooniversity of ootah 
|(_) medical center * department of human genetics *   palace of the brine
___) we apologise for the previous opinions. those responsible have been sacked
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Changes at Alta - Doom
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:47:17 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM


>Germ & the 'loaf aren't much if any faster, just triple chairs.  Yes,
>Glory Hole & Ballroom will get skied out faster (tho not by much).  On
>the other hand, you still have to climb for the 'castle, Catharine's,
>Eddie's, Gunsight, & Baldy Shoulder, & negotiate the High Traverse.
>So, not even close to all the work is done for you.
>
>Besides, Vail & Aspen have deeper snow, better discos, & cooler people.
>
>(yeah, right!  Heh heh heh!)
>-- 
><> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
><>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
><> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
><>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>


Ah, Bob, good buddy, you miss the point!  Alta will never be the wonderous
experience we remember from 20 years ago.  The whole experience has been
ruined, and I'm pretty pissed about it.  Those of you who thought to
capture a bit of the Alta mistique--forget it!  The fact that you no longer
have to kick across the flats from the rope tow to GMD just really ruins it
for me!  I, myself, plan on skiing Vail next vacation.  Shoot, if just any
old TDorH (Tom, Dick or Harry) can get to High Rustler, then what's the
point?

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
From: GVCF746@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Crested Butte
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:37:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

There's a rumor going around that Crested Butte is having free skiing
sometime around the first of December.  Does anyone have any info?
Does anyone know what the traffic situation is at CB during early
Dec.?                  Thanks,
                       Chris Bratcher
                       University of Texas at Austin
From: caulton@oregon.uoregon.edu (Dave Caulton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:31:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Nov6.203113.25639
Organization: U of O Neuroscience

An important point about the boycotting of Colorado because of the anti-
gay measure.

Many may know that in Oregon we just narrowly missed passing a similar
measure ("measure 9").  The group (OCA) who tried and failed to pass
the measure here say they will try again, and Pat Robertson & co.
are working hard to get other states to attempt the same in two 
years.  Also, many folks will remember David Duke's attempt to be
elected governor of Louisiana using a fairly racist premise.

One of the most effective arguments used in the campaign here against
the homophobia measure, and in Louisiana against David Duke, was
that if either occurred, it would have drastic affects on the tourism
and convention business in the states if they became known as
"The Discrimination State".  Given how close the passage of M9
in Oregon was, that argument may have made an important difference.

Next time I'd hate to see the OCA (or the equivalent group in YOUR
state) have the counterargument that "they did it in Colorado and
it didn't hurt their economy at all!". 

The picture is somewhat larger than CO alone.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 13:56:34 CET
From: <ACROWSON@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: What's the deal with Skiing near Grenoble?

The two areas I know at all near Grenoble are Les Deux Alpes and Alpe d'Huez.
Both are good, large areas, although not quite the same league as say Val
d'Isere, and an hour or two's drive from Grenoble (around 200km of piste each).
I prefer Alpe d'Huez, which I think has more variety.

If you're driving towards these on a Saturday morning, go EARLY or you'll get
stuck behind a million other people doing the same thing.

There are a number of other, smaller areas nearer Grenoble which are probably
well worth trying, but I haven't skied them and can't comment. Anyone local
like to fill in here?

Anthony Crowson
acrowson@esoc.bitnet
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From: javad@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Javad Boroumand;SNO)
Subject: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Keywords: Brotherhood, vail
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:23:57 GMT

Does anyone know about the National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
The organization is having a convention in Vail Jan.16-23,
and that's the time I am going to Vail too, and it seems that
everywhere is booked.  My bigger concern is that if that week
the slopes are going to be a lot more crowded than they normally
are for that time of season.  I was told that the group is about
10,000 people.  Is this number relatively insignificant compared
to the entire Vail skiiers for a week?  Or is it that they will
move the wait lines from 20 minutes to 40 minutes :-)

Thanks,

-- 
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From: d92j1jo@pyton.csd.uu.se (Jonas Jonsson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: What's the deal with Skiing near Grenoble?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 11:47:03 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Systems, Uppsala, Sweden.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pyton.csd.uu.se

I would stongly recommend Chamonix, if You're a GOOD skier.
In Chamonix, there is one system called Grand Montes and that's
the SYSTEM in Europe. Chamonix is famous not only because of it's
good skiing but also because that's where all skibums (almost all)
go if they want to have a dream winter.
 I've also read a lot of a place called La Grave. It's a very small
place. There is ONE lift from the bottom of the valley (1400 m) up
to the top (3240 m), and it's OFFPIST all the way down. You need to
how to ski the mountain. I think there are some guides available.
 An other place I've read about is Serre Chevaliers (sp ?). I'm 
sorry to write that I don't have any more info on that place.

Have some nice runs !
JJ
(You'll learn that SKIING is done in Europe ... :-) )
From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.snowboarding,rec.skiing
Subject: test
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:53:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


-- 
'Fire and Love, the two extremes |  wojciech@ossek.nrl.navy.mil /    ***.
that we live between, Fire and   |-----------------------------/    **   '
Love, there's more to life than  | Surfing or Snowboarding         ****
the eye can see.'  Guardian      |      ridin' the Wave........._-*********
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From: jbaker%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (John Baker)
Subject: Ski Card Companies (Was: Re: Anything happen to ASA?)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:24:46 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

At a recent Ski Expo, the American Ski Association was there hawking their
cards for $10 under a "FREE SKI CARD" sign.  They also were in the booth
assigned to the National Ski Association, who used to show there and give
their cards away TRULY free.  I fear the the NSA has gone under, as their
number has been changed, and I heard a rumor that ASA bought them out.

The Ski Card International seems to be better, and you can get one free by 
taking the card from a Nov. SKI magazine to an Isuzu dealer for validation,
then sending it in.

John Baker
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowboarding notes and tune-up questions...
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:08:46 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1dmkdkINNq2r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech) writes:

> Does base grinding wear down the base thickness appreciably?
> How is ptex repair done?  Can I fix up my base without taking it to the shop?
> Thanx for all the advice!!!

Derek,

Base grinding only wears down the base thickness as much as you do it. 
While that is an obvious statement, that is the answer.  If you have a
few knicks no more than 1-2mm deep, I would not worry too much.  P-Tex
repair is not so easy.  First thing you should get is chemical wax
remover to clean off the base.  Then a METAL scraper is a must if you
are doing P-Tex repairs.  Melt the candles and try to form the new
P-Tex into the old holes.  Then with your metal scraper, clean off the
excess.  If you have some pretty fine sandpaper, it isnt a bad idea to
sand the area after it is scraped.  I think that if your board is new
or that you feel uncomfortable with doing this, maybe you should take
it to a shop.  I have alot of the tools, so I'd try it myself.

Fixing your base is important, but dont have a cow about it unless the
gashes are really bad.  I say your edges are much more important. 
Hell, they keep you up!  So sharpen those edges, clean off that old
wax, put on some new stuff, fix that base and GO!

questions welcomed at
Gen.Kanai@Dartmouth.Edu
From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:06:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Anything happen to ASA?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing




ASA was bought by world sports this summer and is now run by Mike Marston.
To me this means that ASA will not be a market leader in value / integrity.
They are still in business but I think that given this combination and all
that I have seen from both organizations many ski resorts will deem it in 
their best interests not to do business with ASA.  I have worked with ASA
for four years wh
their best interests not ot do business with ASA.  I worked with ASA for
four years while I was an officer of the CU Ski Club (2000-3000 members at
the time) , all that was good about ASA left before the buyout and in my
humble opinion only the very worst as far as questionable marketing practices
and people is left.

Jon

This is obviously not the opinion of my employer.

Note: The card is probably worth getting for the street price here of $0-10.

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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Skiing in the Alps?
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:41:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.092055.8771@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:

|> The zero degree isotherm has been hovering around the 2000m.

In fact there has been a general thaw so that high resorts such as Val
Thorens only have glacier skiing this weekend ('till 2pm).  Lower resorts
will be closed.

David.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:54:49 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?

In rec.skiing, jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu (JoJo was a man...) writes:

> Ahh, the hell with it.  I'm going skiing. 

 Best so far. All inclusive. No need for item by item refutation.

  ..glen
From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Waterproofing ski apparel???
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:00:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



	It seems a pair of ski shell pants I bought a few years ago has
lost it's water resistant capabilities to a certain degree over time.  I believe
the pants were orginally factory treated with some special water resistant
chemical.  Is there an inexpensive spray I can purchase to use on these pants
to restore their water resistant capabilities?  I've seen CAMP Dry which is
I believe a silicon based spray but this stuff stinks! (smells bad!)  Can
anyone recommend some type of treatment???  Thanx!
 
					L8tr,
						Derek  
-- 
'Fire and Love, the two extremes |  wojciech@ossek.nrl.navy.mil /    ***.
that we live between, Fire and   |-----------------------------/    **   '
Love, there's more to life than  | Surfing or Snowboarding         ****
the eye can see.'  Guardian      |      ridin' the Wave........._-*********
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: more on Dynastar Verticals: popular skis!
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:47:09 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <122930206@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
|> 
|> The newer red/blue Verts are significantly stiffer than the old white Verts.
|> surprised at how well they hold on hard pack.

 Hi,
	Are we talking about the same ski here? I have a pair of
red & blue Verts with a sort of grid graphic on them which I find
pretty scary on hard pack/ice (they wash out & chatter). I have heard
that the newer "extreme" series Verts are better on hard snow these are 
now in their second generation as well so there have been, what, four?
generations.

 I am still unsure what to replace mine with! I expected to have to
scrap them last season 'cos the bases have been planed to a wafer but
the snow cover was good so they are still surviving. I have been
hankering after a pair of Salomon Force 9's but I have also heard
that the new Verts (and also K2 extreme's) are better all-mountain
skis and more forgiving...

 I wish I could get the chance to demo them but I know I wont!

Decisions, decisions, I'll just end up buying whatever I get the best
deal on again. :-)

	W.
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From: valjus@zombie.oulu.fi (Sampo Valjus)
Subject: snow cond. in Kaprun/Zell am See area?
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:39:39 GMT

We will be starting to a trip to Kaprun/Zell am See at the end of the week
so I am very anxious to here what the conditions a like for the moment.
I guess the snow must be ok up at the glazier, but do we have any amount
of skiing in Zell am See?

-sampo
From: CHRIS@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Vail has FIVE feet and it's still snowing
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:29:32 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Nov11.042620.19582@kpc.com>
dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston) writes:
 
>
>
>If You're going to ski anywhere near the Summit, Call me at (303)668-0419
>I live 9 miles from Copper, 11 from Keystone/A-basin, 10 from Breck!
 
I will be in Vail  16th thru 23rd of January.
 
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From: doan@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Duc Doan)
Subject: Snowmass Lodge & club
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:55:36 GMT

A friend of mine plan to book one of the condo with Snowmass Lodge & CLub.
Did anyone have experience with the above lodging? I appreciate any info
on this subject. The condo listed for $190.00 per night including lift
ticket. Is this typical for this club? Can you recommend any high quality
accomodation in the aspen area. My friend want to travel to Aspen on
Thanksgiving week. Thx. DD.
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From: "wayne bradley" <wayne.bradley@canrem.com>
Subject: boot question of the mont
Reply-To: "wayne bradley" <wayne.bradley@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:38:42 EST

BI>Hi. I was wondering if anybody had experience 
BI>with those boots that use foam to
BI>mold to your foot shape.
BI>In particular, any comments about the Salomon 
BI>SX-92?

I've been skiing on SX-92 equipe foams for 2 years.  Have found them 
fine.  I have very difficult feet to fit - EEE width, some bone spurs etc. 
 However, don't expect miracles.  The 92's are no more comfortable and 
precise than the Langes ZR's I had previously - just fewer adjustments 
before a good fit was reached.

BTW two foam densities are available - take the regular unless you're very 
aggressive or race.  I'm advanced/expert and find regular fine.  The 
"hard" must be rocklike.  Be sure that the shop doing the foaming has 
experience.  This is an easy process to mess up.

Also expect some discomfort the first few days. The foam swells a little 
in the 24 hours after fitting and needs to be pushed back.

Hope this helps.

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From: mvjma2@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (jenny.m.abar)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Season Pass For Sale
Keywords: Highlands MT.
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:34:49 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: AT&T


I have available one certificate good for a season's pass (92-93)
to Highlands Mountain in Tilton/Northfield, NH.  Looking at the
only copy of their rates I have available at this time, which are
from 1991, their rates were:

ADVANCE SALE               LAST CHANCE SALE               REGULAR
Till 10/20/91               Till 11/17/91       
   $260                         $295                       $325

These were the adult prices for the 91/92 season.  My asking
price for an adult pass is $160, truly an outstanding buy for
someone who will be using this area this year.

For those of you who may not be familiar with Highlands, it is
similar in size and difficulty to Pat's Peak or King Ridge.  It
is the slopes you see lit up on the right side when you are
heading on I-93 south near the lake Winnipesaukee exit, exit 19.

Jenny Abar
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Re: Mt. Rainier Skiing?
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:14:01 GMT

reed@cs.washington.edu (Renee Reed) writes:

>		Anyone know what ski (nordic) conditions are like
>		around Rainier right now?   I was thinking of heading
>		up to Paridise or near to do some cross country, if
>		the rocks are covered...

I was up there last weekend on skis, before the big dump, and I have a
friend who was up there on Tuesday after the dump, but the dump didn't hit
Rainier apparently.  The snow cover is okay, but there are some rocks, and
you can't ski everywhere. I was also up near Baker on Wednesday
and thought that it was pretty good --not quite as windbblown as Rainier.

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From: eric@quantum.on.ca (Eric Johnson)
Subject: Mont Tremblant
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:37:16 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software Systems
Distribution: na

Could someone in the know tell me when Mont Tremblant (Quebec) is scheduled to open?
How about other Quebec ski areas?
It's a long drive to Killington....

-- 
Eric Johnson (eric@quantum.qnx.com or try eric@quantum.on.ca)
Technical Development, Quantum Software Systems Ltd (QNX OS)
From: cci@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kar.c.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Need info on Utah lodging
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:09:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


I plan to go skiiing at Utah for a week in Feburary. Since I have never
been to Salt Lake City and the area where the ski areas are located, I
would like to get some recommendation from the net on where to ski and
where to stay and where to eat good food. By the way, the only ski area
that I know is Snowbird and Deer valley. I also like to go the the small
ones too. We have 7 people in the group, and our skiing skill level ranges
from beginner to expert. I would appreicate all responses.


Thanks
Pat cheung
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