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From: cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu (Chris Siebenmann)
Subject: Re: FurryMUCK Pins Down Space Madness? :)
Organization: Ziebmef home away from home
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:20:35 GMT

rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
| PLEASE.  Grod is smart, (EVIL!) and rambunctious, but not functionally
| malicious.

 It depends on how you define 'functionally malicious', but using what
I think you mean I wouldn't stake large sums of money on that.

 Details in email, if people really care (it's old history, long ago
rightfully forgotten by most people).

[screaming fifty-point disclaimer for the clueless: this does not mean
 that I think Grod posted the logs. Quite the contrary, in fact.]
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			  effort to port to each new machine.
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From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: tinyspying
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:33:33 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

"Confirmed suspicions that wizards are using their dark bits to tinyspy?"  

When we log onto NewDay, we wizards are frequently deluged with mail and
immediate requests for help.  Thus we set ourselves dark so we don't show up
in the logged-in list or the wizard list until we've had a chance to dig
ourselves out from under the mail.  If someone runs into us in the meantime it
sure might look like we're tinyspying, but until such time as someone programs
in a "don't bug me" prop into our wizard program, setting yourself dark is
about the only way to have freedom to wade through mail without having all the
players who are logged in right then start paging you demanding help RIGHT
THEN.  :)

              NewDay: zeus.calpoly.edu 4201 or 129.65.16.21 4201
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Joel Furr                                                   jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
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      Aphrodite  -  Chune  -  Crisis  -  Eddie  -  Fleur-de-Lis  -  grass
   Igburyanki  -  KeyLime  -  Kilroy  -  littlewolf  -  Max  -  Mr. Kool-Aid
             No-Neck  -  Pearl  -  Rudolpho  -  Silence  -  Tycha
From: mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bill The Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: tinysex logs and tinygolden showers (ghack)
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:20:49 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>PISSING ON each other?  Ghack.  Serious ghack.

>Jfurr awaits the inevitable death threats for expressing this point of view.

>              NewDay: zeus.calpoly.edu 4201 or 129.65.16.21 4201
               (Notice that I'm Leaving the Obvious Plug Intact!)
    
I for one agree with Joel on this... If you are gonna flame on Joel about, 
use this email address :  whocares@mwilson.async.vt.edu   I'll make sure
it gets routed to him... don't burn VT's drives with your BS about tiny*sex.
TS is for losers who can't get a date. 
 
[Flame On!] - I beleive that was the Human Torch from the Fantasic Four
-- 
| Mike Wilson | You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.         |
|   Va Tech   | If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.    |
|  UnderGrad  | You can choose from phantom fears, and kindness that can kill |
|Comp. Science| I will chose a path that's clear, I will chose Free Will.-RUSH|
From: FURRJK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: those damn logs
Date: 15 Oct 1992 05:35:52 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hey, don't get me wrong, people... I *didn't* read the logs, so no one
can say "hey, Joel, no one forced you to read them" without missing the
point.  I just wanted to note that man, the little bit of the log on
urination I saw before I said "no, no, let's go on to, say, alt.config,
see what's going on there" was _gross_.  That's all.  Tinysex is weird.
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From: lwl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: tinyspying
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:57:15 GMT
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

In article <1992Oct12.170020.9005@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
  jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill) writes:

>Setting yourself dark is a bad idea for reasons which by now must be all
>too obvious. Wizards who are often dark arouse player suspision.

Wizards like those on NewDay, who openly post logs like the ones posted
not long ago, cause players not to trust dark wizards.  Wizards who are
set dark should *not* be automatically arousing player suspicion; if this
is so, the paranoia on your MU* is too high, IMHO.

MU* gods in particular tend to be logged in and DARK, since frequently
they're the kinds of people who spend most of the day in front of a 
terminal anyway, and would like to keep an eye on the game, but don't
want to actually cope with problems during that time.

I also agree with an earlier post about needing to set oneself dark for
periods of time just to cope with a stack of mail or major programming
problem. I do think, however, that a dark wizard who goes into a room
should announce his presence immediately, just so people know he's there.
This prevents any possible accusation of spying.

If you're just reading your mail, there's really no reason why you need
to be in a public room, anyway. Peace and quiet was the reason you set
yourself DARK, right?

>(Moonchilde on NC is an exception because he has an excellent reputation for
>being trustworthy)

Moonchilde and a large number of other MU* gods _do_ have rules which
govern wizard behavior. On PernMUSH at least, these are strictly enforced.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lydia Leong - CSE '94 | Amberyl@Pern  | "Just try to make sure that Polgara's
lwl@seas.upenn.edu    | Polgara@Belg. |  not in the vicinity of anything 
lwl@imsasun.imsa.edu  | The Belgariad |  breakable when she gets angry. Like
lwl@csa.bu.edu        | "Why me?"     |  large cities and mountain ranges."
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From: mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bill The Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: tinysex logs and tinygolden showers (ghack)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:32:37 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Yes, Demon_Lord has had a few tinysex encounters.  They bored me endlessly.
Demon_Lord, nor Bill_The_Cat, nor ME! could give a hoot about TS.  I tried
it when I first came to MU* and have not seen a reason to continue it.
Therefore, I base my opinions on what i have witnessed.  
 
Flame on Howard.

-- 
| Mike Wilson | You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.         |
|   Va Tech   | If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.    |
|  UnderGrad  | You can choose from phantom fears, and kindness that can kill |
|Comp. Science| I will chose a path that's clear, I will chose Free Will.-RUSH|
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From: csteele@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher E Steele)
Subject: Re: another plug for NewDay
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:52:00 GMT

In article <Bw4A9x.CpG@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>
>I'd like to stress that, additionally, NewDay is free of hostile dinos,
>pompous programmers, "Buchanan wannabes" (to quote a Furry), and most
>Space Madness players.
>Behold:
>
Ah, slight problem here.  I know a lot of people from NewDay that go to
Space Madness.  In fact, they plug SM ON NewDay.  One reason I quit going
there.  And as for most SM players not on ND, well YOU are on both.
Isn't that bad enuff???
-- 
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 |	Chris Steele	CES+@osu.edu	csteele@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu      |
 |	"Take me down to Paradise City where the grass is green and the        |
 |	 girls are pretty"	-Guns and Roses				       |
From: priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa)
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
Keywords: tinylogs, twinks, flame, penn, idiocy
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:41:32 GMT

To further input about the furious people...  From the general reaction, the person/persons responsible for this intrusion will likely be lynched!  Several people are not just furious, they are actually wanting to see this person face to face and do some quite painful things to him/her/them.

Security is of the upmost for everyone one.  Also, illegally posting logs that you recorded will definitely tick off people if you do not ask their permission.


To the jerk who posted all those logs:
	Laugh it up while you can...  But watch your back.  Your little prank has just made about 50+ enemies right now, plus a heck of a lot of sysadmins totaly paranoid about their security, and an additional several dozen users who are trying to use the system to their best advantage without stirring trouble.  Since you ruined it for them and many other people, there is a likely chance that you have become the enemy of every netter in this country.

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From: gregb@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Snooze)
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Organization: /home/fsg/gregb/.organization
	<priss.719037692@glia> <1992Oct14.181234.21793@wixer.cactus.org>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:15:07 GMT


Snooze looks up from reading way too many messages about this...
Snooze chuckles...
Snooze laughs...
and laughs...

Snooze walks outside to enjoy a nice night away from the silliness of
the computer...

snooze
(who is happy after reading all these flames because it makes him realize
that some people have even less of a life then him...)
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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: Tiny logs ...
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:01:00 GMT

	This brings up an interesting question about computer laws.
	Various states have different laws about unlawful, unauthorized, and/or 
fraudulent use of computer systems.  My question is, since Netcom is in 
California, but the system used to post was in Pennsylvania.  Whose 
jurisdiction mwould law fall under?
	Regardless, I think the Computer Crimes Act of 1986 makes such hacking 
a FEDERAL offense.  If you are reading this now TinyLog poster, turn yourself 
in, they will probably go easier on you.
	Everyone here is talking about how much they want to kill the person, 
but do know what would *really* happen if they were caught?  If they are in 
college, their indescretion is grounds for expulsion.  If they are convicted 
and found guilty--they will have suffered price: On *every* job application 
they fill out they will have to answer yes to the question "Have you ever been 
convicted of a crime?"  I can tell you right now that pretty much will keep 
this person from getting any kind of well-paying job with any government of 
major firm.   
	That poster just ruined his life.  
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From: silver@netcom.com (Silver Singer)
Subject: ACK!!!!!
Keywords: Recent tinysex logs (et al)
Organization: No organization, I'm totally disorganized...
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:37:47 GMT

The recent tinysex logs are (with some exceptions) mine, and were taken
and reprinted ENTIRELY without permission...

I am NOT pleased, and I agree that whomever did this (they broke into
the netcom guest account to post them, and MY account, to get the
files) should lose their access...

I would ask anyone who happens to be reading this first before the logs to 
kindly NOT read them, some of the material I promised the other participant(s)
I would never let it get beyond my personal account.

Actually, if anyone who has the capability of cancelling the posts worldwide
is reading this, I (and several other people whose files these are, I'm sure)
would appreciate their removal.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....some people are such scum.

-Chris Moir

PS: Please do not STORE these files even if you HAVE read them.
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From: cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu (Chris Siebenmann)
Subject: Re: tinyspying
Organization: Ziebmef home away from home
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:08:48 GMT

jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:
| Here's a tip for those of you who play on MUCKER_ALL or
| mucker-bit-available MUCKs:

 Joel left out the most important tip of all: don't expect either
privacy or peace and quiet. I am rarely disappointed on MUCKER_ALL
MUCKS; they live down to what I expected with great regularity.

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    ported program:	  a program which takes constant or increasing
			  effort to port to each new machine.
    portable program: a program which takes less effort to port to
		      each new machine.
cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu	           ...!{utgpu,utzoo,watmath}!utgpu!cks
From: sterling@netcom.com (Bruce Sterling Woodcock)
Subject: Re: Space Madness pins down Furries
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:40:51 GMT

In article <YeqiqPC00WDJA:U04K@epidemic.ucc.andrew.cmu.edu> Dirque "Bigotry Personified" Shadowsword <dirque@cmu.edu> writes:
>they've also locked and ejected a furry from their public and private areas
>cause they sent someone to SM and based on that testimony asked him to be
>toaded, posted in news about that character without asking him to even
>answer the charges, but instead in a fit of paranoia choose to exclude 
>that player because he didn't have the right friends and based on hearsay
>evidence.

Yo, dirque.  Let me tell you a not-so-little secret:  this kind of FurryMUCK
response is nothing new.  They have admittedly fascist wizards, they have
Drew who I caught twice in private areas set DARK, etc, etc.  Many, MAY
people have been punished on FurryMUCK, if not removed entirely, based only
on hearsay.  Typically, Furry A pissed off Furry B.  Furry B is a lover of
Wizards C and D, and thus goes bawling to them demanding justice.  Wizards
C and D know they need a majority opinion before they do anything, so they
talk to Wizard E, who doesn't like Furry A to begin with, and Wizard F, who
rolls over and acquiesces under the assualt of 3 other wizards.  Besides
which, Wizard F probably wants to be on Furry B's good side so they can get in
their pants, too.  Furry A, who has no Wizard lovers, and very few friends
willing to stand up against furry fascism because they will be targeted next,
gets canned.

Want a concrete example?  Explain how I, who was guilty of an action that
*might* have crashed FurryMUCK, but didn't, and was without malicious motive,
could fairly be removed from the muck whilst auzzie, who *did* crash FurryMUCK
on at least one occassion, malicously and purposfully, was allowed to remain?

>Where were these furries when auzzie posted the SM log? Where were the 
>complaints and high moralistic attitudes? Is this the sort of hypocritic
>fascism that runs rampant on FurryMuck? No, don't answer. I don't want to
>know.

How about answering this, dirque:  where were *you* when they did this to me?
Where were you when they carried similar actions out on Tweeni, Blaze, Jiro,
and countless others?

Oh, that's right.  You were on Space Madness, mimicing the cries of, "Stop
whining!  It's *their* muck and they can do *whatever* they want and it's
*fair* so go *away*."

Is this the sort of hypocritic fascism that runs rampant on Space Madness?
No, don't answer.  I don't want to know.

Bruce

-- 
| sterling@netcom.com     |  "It is now quite lawful for a catholic woman to |
| sterling@oldcolo.com    |    avoid pregnancy by a resort to mathematics,   |
| bwoodcoc@nyx.cs.du.edu  |    though she is still forbidden to resort to    |
| sterling@gnu.ai.mit.edu | physics or chemistry." -H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) |
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Subject: Re: Tinylog posting
From: tarod@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:59:06 -0600
Distribution: na
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Oct13.194209.24618@netcom.com>, cinnibar@netcom.com (Jeff Wood) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.173442.29915@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>>Well, that was one of the ruder ways to spam a newsreader.  Obviously it was 
>>put on for some kind of agenda to make someone look bad (else all the tinysex 
>>would have been omitted and the poster would have *used his/her own account* 
>>instead of using a guest acct).  If the person was really trying to be helpful 
>>and show how people MU*, they would have A: used their own acct as mentioned 
>>parenthetically, and B: given all the logs a common header so we could killfile
>>them.  Personally, I think the tinybastard should have his site cut off.
>>     Dave Van Domelen, righteously cheesed
> 
> I have complaints of my own about this. :X)  Some of those logs came from
> my account without my permission, heck, even the names are identical to my
> filenames.  So, I've asked the root personal to help me track this person
> down (Thanks for leaving the time of the post buddy. :X) )  Since you
> probably use netcom for your normal use (how you got my files), shouldn't
> be too much trouble to cause you enormous headaches. :X)  I'm going to
> enjoy this.
> 
> Jeff Wood
> cinnibar@netcom.com
> 

Jeff:

Please post the results of your tinybastard hunt. I'd be most amused to hear
that this twit got his due. >:)
-- 
------------------------------>>>
Tarod

===============================================================================

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Y'dros @ Pern MUSHes (SouCon)
Nain @ Narnia
Gorthaur @ Torg
From: robert@nope (Robert Serocki)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Space Madness pins down Furries
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:11:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: nope.7190286829095
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: nope.ucsd.edu


In article <1992Oct13.191051.22814@wixer.cactus.org> rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
[snip]
>You...interact with them in the attempt to learn something about them.  What
>does having six melon-sized breasts tell you about the guy who plays Hervystia?
>I mean, besides the bit about falling on head as child, etc.
>
[snippity]
>
>>>dirque says "HHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE baiting hervestia about saying it has 6
>> breasts"
>>
>>And now the truth comes out.  You like to be a twit.  As I and someone 
>>else said earlier, Furries are people who play "anthromorphic animals"
>>which are animals with human characteristics...Such as some Anime Movies,
>>Disney's _Robin Hood_, and many other places.  Human characteristics
>>_do_ include human breasts on females.  Like it or not.  Not that you'd 
>>know.  And just to clear it up, Hervyestia is female.
>
>Mr. Sharon, what human woman do you know with SIX BREASTS?
>
[snip]
>
>Rhodesia/RandomGang
>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Felix Sebastian Gallo                              rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

     As Hervystia's player doesn't have usenet access, I wanted to mention
the character has two breasts, and, as far as I know, has never been
described as having six. The aforementioned people could be mistaking her
for a couple other people, but I'm not going to drag more names into this
scowling match.


				       robert@nope.ucsd.edu
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.181234.21793@wixer.cactus.org> rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
>Security is not of the upmost for everyone one.  I, for instance, have gotten
>into the habit of not making any statements I wouldn't mind seeing on the front
>page of tomorrow's New York Times.

If I read you properly, you're making the implicit argument "if you don't want
it posted, the fault is not with the person who posted it, but with you for
saying it."

You don't need to actually say something shameful to not want it posted.  It's
very easy to post things out of context, and even in context, there are plenty
of things you might want to say only to some people.  If I had a rabidly
anti-Semitic employer, I might want to keep a low profile about being Jewish,
and I might get justifiably upset at someone who turns that into a high profile
against my wishes.

(Don't read this as being about any specific incident from those logs.  Lots of
it _was_ shameful, and I doubt many anti-homosexual or whatever employers
read r.g.m.  I'm attacking your reasoning, not your premises.)

>The people who are whining the most about
>this are not even involved -- why are they bothering?

Simple.  A number of them _are_ involved.  For instance, the person you were
just responding to was involved.  Just because they don't append to the end
of their article "I grepped for my character name in those logs" doesn't make
them not involved.

>Last but not
>least, this 'enemy of every netter in this country' line is just flat out
>dumb.  Maybe ten, twenty people were affected by these logs.  There are over
>three million users of the usenet, most of whom are perfectly happy to ignore
>the hell out of little game squabbles.

It's hyperbole, of course, to say it made the anonymous poster the enemy of
every netter in the country.  But it certainly made him the enemy of more than
just the few dozen people named in the logs.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: ronni@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Taisia)
Subject: Re: Hey Joel
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:31:54 GMT

In <14OCT92.21485893@umbc2.umbc.edu> noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
>	Personally I find hte idea of vampirism and the concept of eating 
>another sentient being mwhole/alive far more revolting than the act of which 
>you complained.  But to each his own..


<Giggle >  I'm a vampire character, and I like being that way.  It's
a very interesting part to roleplay, a vampire with ethics mind you
<Ever see the series, Forever Knight?>
<And Taisia is a GOOD Vampire :)>
.
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