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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:00:30 -0400
From:         "DOUGL, APPARENTLY." <STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Rape

I think is useful to distinguish between rape [ as a crime of violence]
and so-called sexual molestation [ as an offence against trust] but that
said, recent studies give the following statistics [ this is an
aggregate of several sources:

% of women to age 45 raped in US
                30

% of women to age 60 molested/sexually abused in US
                60

% of men to age 45 raped in US
                10

% of men to age 60 molested in US
                50

There is a trend in these statistics in that the% of the
cohort under age 35 who have been sexually molested is
                women - 75%
                men   - 60%

These are extrapolations based on disclosures and are likely
somewhat high [ most incidence algorithm tend to extreme
values] but in general there are two trends apparent:

1 - the general incidence of sexually oriented abuse has increased
in the period since 1960

2 - the % of men is approaching the same level as the % of
women.



Dougl           *
The          .
Southern      *   *
Cross           *
From: AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
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Date: 12 Nov 92 18:55:54 GMT
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Douglas,

I am sorry for the confusion...there were too points I was trying to make..

1.  When the average perrson is faced with a complicated set of issues
that are difficult to understand, the person tends to make decisions
based on the APPARENT credibility of the person making the case....

It is one of the reasons why some people excel at selling products which
other people cannot..... the value of the product is too hard to understand
and thus the selling depends on the credibility of the sellor...

thus it is easier to sell a lemon of a used car to a lay person than it is
selling it to a mechanic.....

By our so called jury selection process and lay people in the jury pool,
the object of a good lawyer is to eliminate those with any knowledge of
the facts of a crime.... so you eliminate people with experience in a
field who could tell a lemon when they see one....

Outside of a court room, if you or I were faced with conflicting
suggestions from two surgeons, we get a third opinion from a "surgeon"
or if two auto mechanics give us two different diagnosis for car
problems, we gp to a third mechanic... we don't get a bunch of people
of the street, tell them what the two surgeons or mechanics said and
ask them to determine the truth.....BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN COURT..

2.  BECAUSE THIS HAPPENS....because a jury can be manipulated (some say
taught), money enters into the equation and the rich, who can afford
better salesman and produce "experts" generally get off while the
poor get punished....  and we find discrimination in the numbers of
those convicted and jailed....

zahir
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Subject: Re: INTER-RACIAL DATING
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:59:00 GMT
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Greetings Emmy!

 I speak partial spanish, fluent french, fluent english.
   Inter-racial dating is very interesting in part that, like many a controver
sial issues, one MIGHT be bound to losing, if not gaining portions of his/her
own culture. Example, I dated a female from Taiwan. Her family is 99% culturally
oriented. I would say that they have 1% americanized themselves and or even
adapoted some of "American Values" etc. Interesting note too is that she is
what many an american would say "REBEL or Blacksheep"..not to confuse the two.
She is 26, me 22. it was very difficult to actually go public out of fear that
many a people (Taiwanese and non..and some Americans) would relay info back to
her family and friends...resulting in her losing everything she has...provided
by them. She resides with the family here in Nashville. Bethoral is alive in her
family. recently she vacationed Taiwan a few months ago. Family alike tried
arranging a marriage for her. It is arranged by age. She is the last and second
oldest. She is non -biased upon the inter-racial issues.


I must go for now.\
Keep in touch!!
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:49:56 CST
From:         nli1@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Judgement by peers

Concerning the question of juries, I was a jury member recently and found
the experience quite wrenching. When I consulted with various people, they
told me that studies show that juries usually come back with the same
verdict as judges do, but they arrive at these judgements by a different
route. So perhaps it is not as different as it seems. I tried later to talk
to the prosecuting attorney and to the police officers involved in the
case, but they did not call me back. It surprised me that they were not
interested in learning where their case was ineffective. Perhaps the
judicial system is stubbornly chaotic, but somehow ends up in the right
place. Or not?

Nora L. Ishibashi
nli1@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:50:10 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Military intervention etc

Krista,

I am sorry if I got you down.  You say "it is so hard to get anything
accomplished".... I envy you for the ability tu still want to try....
me. I just accept and stop worrying about accomplishments....

Once there was the Roman Empire.... lately there is the so called "Great
Britain"...... maybe a hundred years from now there might be a mighty
US of A..... the fallen.....  Its evolution....

Zahir
From: x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
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Subject: Re: woman as president
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:02:25 GMT
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Zahir...
I hink you are mistaken that putting veil is cultural infect there is a
verse in the Holy Quran relating to woman covering themselves...

Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 15:56:09 -0200
From:         Alcino Dall Igna Junior <adij@DI.UFPE.BR>
Subject:      Re: A woman as President

On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU wrote:

> what I mean a woman living a simple life with self respect where she
> is not made fun of and abused as in some cases like in big cities such
> as New York....

Who will establish the limits?

> Every one should respect woman....

At least in one thing we agree. :-)

Alcino
From: YONI@BROWNCOG.BITNET
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Subject: Truth Seeking Vs. Privelged Communications
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:51:00 GMT
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Greetings-
I am researching the following debate resolution:
"In the criminal justice system,truth seeking ought to take precedence over
priveleged communications."
What input do you have on the resolution?
What ideas do you have concerning the values being debated in this
debate topic? I know this might not have direct relevance to the discussion
of this list, but any input you people have would be most helpful.
If you want to just reply directly to my mailbox, that would be great.
Thanks
LW
I can be reached at YONI@BROWNCOG
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 11:09:44 -0700
From:         4FMH011@MC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A woman as President

Ahmed,

I haven't even talk about Banazir. I know she isn't a good leader. However,
and you know that there is a qualified and unqualified person for every job.
For example, Khawlah daughter of Al-Azwar fought, She was a soldier.

Alan
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:28:36 EST
From:         Argyria Kehagias <AKEHAGIA@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: re woman as president

Jeff,
        Your right,
            Thanks, Argyria
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:00:52 CST
From:         nora l ishibashi <nli1@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Judgement by peers

Zahir,
Thanks for your reply to my message. What I understood from the professor I
spoke to was that juries come back with the same judgement that the
particular judge in the case would have turned in, not that they are not
biased. Your points about relative severity of crimes and so on are, of
course, well taken. In the case where I was on the jury, everyone involved
was white middle class. The crime was small--some damage to a parked car due
to drunken driving. Still, the experience for me was quite disconcerting. I
appreciate your thoughtful reply. I have been enjoying your messages and
particularly liked your response concerning clothing, rape, family values,
and creative freedom.

Nora L. Ishibashi
nli1@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:08:22 EST
From:         oliver@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Hit the limit again.

At around 6 pm Eastern Standard Time XCULT-L again reached the
limit of 50 messages in a 24 hour period.  Today I'm going to count
the messages which come in because I find it hard to believe that
there were that many.

In any case, it is nearly 12 hours since that limit was reached and
I have just now gotten back to reading my mail.

My sincere apologies to all of you who received rejected postings
to XCULT-L.  If you have the rejected messages, please forward them
again to the list and I'll stay on top of things in the future.

Oliver Seely
Listowner, XCULT-L
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:55:16 EST
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: open

Ahmed:

Those are different kinds of clubs... have you ever been in a regular
disco...a place where people dance? They are not all like that...some
are very decent places....

/Emmy
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:35:07 EST
From:         Jim Campbell <CAMPBELL@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Veils, etc.
              9 Nov 1992 11:10:12 -0500 from <x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU>

As a psychologist I have had the priviledge of working with numerous
rape victims as they struggle to heal from the horrible violation
they have suffered.  To suggest that women cause themselves to be
raped because they are attractive is just plain wrong.  It is rooted
in the very worst of sexist stereotypes.  It implies that a woman is
raped because she is seductive and that a man rapes because he is weak
and unable to control hvs animal lust.  This does not fit the research
and the facts we know about rape.  At worst such opinions are extremely
hurtful to women who have been so victimized.  It is time for men--of
all cultures--to educate themselves about such things.
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 11:05:00 GMT
From:         Ray Thomas <R_THOMAS@VAX.ACS.OPEN.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: online education

I have been using computer conferencing and email for education
since 1988.   About 1500 students and 80 tutors each year - all
working from home.  The course is a full credit - one sixth of a
degree.  the subject matter is information technology.   Students
have to provide a computer.  The Open University supplies the
modem.

The advantages include that students and course team benefit from
the knowledge of IT which many students have through their
work experience.  (Our students are all adults - typically
in their thirties).     And it has been possible to keep the
course up to date.

The major disadvantage is that a minority of students just
dont take to the medium.

Hope this helps.  I'll send some refs if you like.

Ray Thomas, Faculty of Social Sciences, The Open University,
England
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Date: 5 Nov 92 21:26:59 GMT
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>>   Hello Commed members,
>
>   My name is Jane Reid and I am a communications student
    at Simon Fraser University in B.C., Canada.  I am part
    of a research group in an online course - Communications 353.
>
>   My group is interested in determining what advantages and
>   disadvantages instructors and students experience using
>   online education at the undergraduate level.  In particular
>   we, as new users, would like to determine if "new users" and
>   "seasoned" users experience the same advantages and disadvantages.
>
>   If you have a few minutes could you please send me an email
>   message including the following brief information:
>
>      1. How long you have been using online resources for education;
>
>      2. One or two main advantages of online education; and,
>
>      3. One or two main disadvantages of online education.
>
>   Thank you for your assistance it is greatly appreciated,

                                        Jane Reid

>
>
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Date: 10 Nov 92 00:37:49 GMT
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>I have been using computer conferencing and email for education
>since 1988.   About 1500 students and 80 tutors each year - all
>working from home.  The course is a full credit - one sixth of a
>degree.  the subject matter is information technology.   Students
>have to provide a computer.  The Open University supplies the
>modem.
>
>The advantages include that students and course team benefit from
>the knowledge of IT which many students have through their
>work experience.  (Our students are all adults - typically
>in their thirties).     And it has been possible to keep the
>course up to date.
>
>The major disadvantage is that a minority of students just
>dont take to the medium.
>
>Hope this helps.  I'll send some refs if you like.
>
>Ray Thomas, Faculty of Social Sciences, The Open University,
>England
>
I have already had a modem.
Is there any fee charged on the class?
Do you have any syllabus for the course?
Please send some refs.

Byung Lee, graduate student at the University of Missouri
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Subject: Re: IMSL 2.0
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:11:54 GMT
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:28:08 SST Chua Kong Sian said:
>P.S.  Anybody from IMSL on the list??

 According to the second issue 1992 of the IMSL publication "Directions",
 their e-mail contact is
                              support at imsl.com

 Are there any BITNET discussion groups which cover Fortran subroutine
 libraries such as IMSL, NAG, LINPACK, and such??  I'm interested in
 hearing about bugs.

Dennis Mar                              phone: 408-646-2672
W.R.Church Computer Center (code 51)      fax: 408-646-2611
Naval Postgraduate School              bitnet: 2001P at NAVPGS
Monterey, CA  93943                  internet: 2001P at cc.nps.navy.mil
Amdahl 5995-700A: VM/XA & MVS/ESA.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:05:12 SST
From:         Chua Kong Sian <CCECKS@NUSVM.BITNET>
Subject:      IMSL 2.0

About a week ago, I wrote that I my users have found bugs in the
IMSL eigenvalues of routines.  After some initial testing, I carelessly
concluded that there is indeed a bug.  However further testing
reveal this to be false *shame-faced*.  What happened was that the
user was using WRRRN to print a double precision matrix when he should
have been using DWRRRN.  Another user depended on the order of the
eigenvalues that were calculated.  When I informed him that the
ordering is now different, he fixed his program and its fine now.

Sorry for the false alarm folks.

Chua Kong Sian
Systems Programmer
National University of Singapore
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From:         "(A. Kaniss)" <dashiell@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      directory documentation utilities for nos 2
Comments: To: cyber-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

Does anybody who has connected to the official cyber internet site I think
at one time this was at lehigh but has now been changed to calgary know
if there are directory documentation utilities that will work with nos 2
at that site which people can download?
Something that will show you a list of file names
down the left side of the screen and comments you've entered describing
the files over to the right and allow the user to enter or modify comm
comments describing the files?

Jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:18:42 IST
From: Doron Shikmoni <P85025@BARILVM.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: STORAGE BELOW 16M LINE

In article <921109.120437.CET.REICHETZ@AWIIMC12.IMC.UniVie.AC.AT>,
Christian.J.Reichetzeder@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC.AT says:
>
>On Sun, 8 Nov 92 23:43:00 PST Leonard D Woren said:
>>You would think so, but page 0 in a V=R machine is a special case.
>Indeed prefixing  is applied to  page 0. The  matter is quite  complicated and
>even more so with a  V=R guest, who expects page 0 to be  a real page 0 frame.
>Thus VM  has to  move it's  own real  page 0  elsewhere. It  may well  be that
>certain flavours of  VM goofed in some  aspects (dunno whether MVS  does a LRA
>for page 0 for example).

I may be missing something (I joined this thread in the middle). However:
Of course page 0 is prefixed. Even on native MVS (non VM) machines, page 0
is prefixed (prefix register, remember). This is over and above DAT, as the
370/390 architecture requires that every processor sees its private version
of page zero when it incurs an interrupt (think of old/new PSW and reg save
areas). Obviously VM (or VM assist, in the past 7 years or so) maintains
a virtual pref-reg for every virtual processor. And obviously, you'll see
this when you LRA on page 0 (you will probably see different result on each
processor).

So: There are as many page zero frames in MVS as there are processors.
And then, there is the unprefixed-page-zero frame - the real, real, real
absolute zero..

Doron
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:28:30 -0500
From:         HARDY002@DUKEMC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: MVS Performance

> This is a general question, not a request for tools/software. Is
> there a common thread for who does performance management/tuning?
> Does the 'MVS' systems programmer standardly perform the function?

In a lot of shops, unfortunately, tuning is not done at all or only
very superficially or only in response to crises.  These shops often
respond to performance problems by throwing bigger iron at the problem.
Hopefully, they have at least determined whether they are CPU bound or
I/O bound and respond appropriately.  In most of the shops I am familiar
with, the systems programming manager performs whatever performance
management/tuning gets done (when he/she has the time).

I will be interested in seeing replies from other shops.
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From: mrl@uai.com (Mark R. Ludwig)
Subject: Using EXTRACT macro to detect execution under TSO
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Universal Analytics, Inc., Torrance (LA), CA
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:28:09

Several months ago, I asked how to determine, from Assembler, whether
the program is executing under TSO.  You collectively pointed me to
the EXTRACT macro, which I've been using happily for months to do just
that.  Suddenly, it's not working, and I'm at a loss to explain why.
I would appreciate any insight into what's wrong with the following
code.  That is, I want to know why I get a high-order byte of X'00' in
TSOFLAG from EXTRACT when I execute the program from the terminal!

(On the off chance that a guru's reading and it actually means
something, the rest of TSOFLAG is X'B0E6B1'.)

                                      O o
                                       X
--------------------------------------/-\--------------------------------------
         SPACE
R0       EQU   0
R1       EQU   1
R2       EQU   2
R3       EQU   3
R4       EQU   4
R5       EQU   5
R6       EQU   6
R7       EQU   7
R8       EQU   8
R9       EQU   9
R10      EQU   10
R11      EQU   11
R12      EQU   12
R13      EQU   13
R14      EQU   14
R15      EQU   15
         SPACE
TESTTERM CSECT
         SAVE  (14,12),T,*
*
         BALR  R12,0
         USING *,R12
*
         OPEN  (SNAPDCB,(OUTPUT))
         SNAP  DCB=SNAPDCB,ID=0
*
         EXTRACT TSOFLAG,'S',FIELDS=(TSO) Get flag indicating TSO
         TM    TSOFLAG,TSOYES
         BO    TSO
*
         L     R5,TSOFLAG
         LA    R6,TSOYES
         SNAP  DCB=SNAPDCB,PDATA=REGS,ID=1
*
TSO      DS    0H
         RETURN (14,12),T
*
         DROP
*
         LTORG
*
TSOFLAG  DC    F'-1'              Flag indicating presence of TSO
TSOYES   EQU   B'10000000'        Flag value meaning TSO is present
*
SNAPDCB  DCB   DSORG=PS,RECFM=VBA,MACRF=(W),BLKSIZE=882,LRECL=125,     +
               DDNAME=SNAPOUT
         END
--------------------------------------\-/--------------------------------------
                                       X
                                      O o

On the assumption that I have done something wrong (which has waited
until this most inopportune time to fail), please reply directly, and
I'll summarize if there's interest.$$
-- 
INET: mrl@uai.com           NIC: ML255           ICBM: USA; Lower Left Coast
"A computer is one of life's joys; it follows simple rules.  Just like
 children, adults need toys, only we like to call them 'tools.'" -- Dave Ross
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