HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Hui4, Gui4 , or Kuai4 (Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:34:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <98058@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>A Sichuan fellow is taking a English course. The teacher is a lady from Shanghai.
>The textbook says hammer = Chui2ze. The Sicuan fellow is asked to tell what is
>a hammer.
>Ding Chui'r.
>Wrong, try again.
>Lang Tou'r.
>Wrong again. Please try hard. Chairman Mao teaches us "Hao Hao Xue Xi..."
>Chui2ze!!!!!!
>
FYI, in some instance, the ChuiZe sometimes means BuenDan (fool).:-)
Do not return me check to repay tuition.:-)

Many mainlanders like Can Da Shan (fooling around, talking big,....)
It is called Gai (cover) in the other side, the person good at that is Gai-shen.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sawong@bnr.ca 
Subject: Chinese Folk Dance (Ottawa/Hull)
Reply-To: sawong@bnr.ca 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 23:00:21 GMT

The Phoenix Dance Troupe of Ottawa, Canada is seeking men
and women interested in learning and performing Chinese 
classical dances and folk dances. Previous dance experience
is an asset but is NOT required.

The Phoenix Dance Troupe has been established and performing
since 1975. It is a non-profit volunteer community 
organization.

For more information, contact sawong@bnr.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:32:42 GMT

Dear netters,

The last followups to my dreaded article, have been comparing
simplified/traditional characters with English and Latin-Greek.

I think that is really rather silly. The latter are completely different
languages, the former are different charactersets.

It is easy to translate between simplified and traditional characters, it is
VERY hard indeed to automatically translate between Latin and English (!?)

The fact is that you guys seem to take my attitude so seriously. Why is it that
you cannot accept the fact that there may be foreigners who have an opinion
about Chinese language. Aren't there Chinese who have an opinion about English?

All I asked for, was one valid reason for using jiantizi. I got the following
arguments:

	o  The world is constantly changing, so why not change the script?

	o  Only 'snob. monks' can learn fantizi. The people had better learn
	   jiantizi.

I do not consider those arguments valid by any standard.

I am not against change if it actually produces something useful; change for
change only is just as silly as l'art pour l'art.

Please do not flame me, just give it a thought

Cheers!

--
Martijn van der Valk                |          e-mail: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl
Faculty of Computer Science / SPA   |                      phone: +53-893795
University of Twente, P.O. Box 217  | BROADCAST BRA
7500 AE Enschede, The Nederlands    | Pegasus; Esprit BRA 6865
From: poppy@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "6.4" bill, blood card
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:25:49 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Those who accuse Protection Bill beneficiary as blood card are not necessarily
pro-CCP (or pro-China).

Those who claim Protection Bill as a way to promote democracy in China are not
necessarily pro-democracy.

There are some  "VIRGIN BRAND"  prostitutes.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27741 soc.culture.hongkong:12429 soc.culture.taiwan:14332
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:54:49 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

If any one have followed the polls conducted recently, it is not too
difficult to figure out that Bill Clinton is going to win this election.
So, the question is not which one you hope to win, it's up to the decisions
of the majority.

Yi-Chieh
From: cc015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vito T. Kwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: HOFSTRA CHINESE ASSOCIATION
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:13:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


THIS IS AN OPEN LETTER:

Hi all,
	The Chinese students in here, Hofstra University, just formed 
Hofstra Chinese Association and I was voted for the vice-president. I was
responsible for all the connection between HCA and other Chinese associations
in all the universities in the world.
	Currently, we have about 35 members and HCA is getting stronger and
stronger because more and more Chinese are joining HCA.
	Here are the names of the president and vice-president:

        President    : Robert Wei
        Vice-president: Vito Kwan

	We and HCA are new and lack of experience, so we are looking forward
to receiving any suggestion and information from you.

	Thanks for your attention.

                                                  Yours sincerely,


                                                  Vito Kwan
                                                  Vice-president of HCA
-- 
Vito Kwan                 
Academic Computer Center,   Hofstra University
INTERNET:   accvtk@vaxc.hofstra.edu
BITNET  :   csc3vtk@hofstra.bitnet
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 10, Our National Day
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:25:23 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science

In article <1992Oct12.154300.13909@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.202355.24276@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu  
>(Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>> >
>> >>Why do Singaporeans do the same? Many of them don't think themselves as  
>Chinese.
>> >
>> >Even I don't think THEY are chinese, most of them are only a sort of 
>> >"RUNNING DOG" who like only to speak English and pretend not understanding
>> >Chinese.   :(
>> >
>> 
>> This is outrageous. I know many Singaporeans indeed don't know how to speak
>> Chinese.  Why should Singaporeans must know Chinese ?
>> Do you know how many second generation Chinese born in U.S. can't speak
>> Chinese ? Are they running dog ?
>> 
>> Yi-Chieh
>
>Well, according to Shi Chunde's opinion, they are Banana, which might be worse  
>than "running dogs". Immigration usually is a shameful thing according to some  
>"patriots".
>
>Carl
Carl, Why are you keeping nagging me? I am not so "attractive"! 
Can you forget about me? I do not even know about "my" opinion above.
From: lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Ms. Xiao and Tu Ya
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:22:38 GMT
Organization: Boston University

Tuya writes:
             [ I am los ing the go-game;  But, Sheng4 gu4 xin1 ran2
              bai4 yi4 xi3, hao3 han4 bu4 ying2 tou2 yi4 pan2 ],

That is fine to me, let's enjoy your collection of poems, well, I like
them. But I'll comment later, by using a ruler

Bi Yun Tian,
Huang Ye Di,
Xi Feng Jing,
Bai Yan Nan Fei.

And see how much inspiration is in your poems.
          (deleted)
             [ Ms. Xiao Renshu ]

          What's your favorate?  In your judgement, which of the

It is hard to say what is the best. I think XRS has two styles, "Gong Bi"
(fine brush?) and what is the name? Sorry. What you cited, are all GongBi
XRS. What about "Tie Dao You Ji Duei"? I like HLM XRS also, DaiYu burning
poems, QinWen zhi death, well, I offended some friend by blackening QinWen,
I did not really mean that, only told truth :-(

          ancient books is the best?  BTW, I am an expert of tui1 bei4
          tu2.  Have you read that book?

Yeah, I even kept a copy (in English) from this net. But I later dump it
on a back-up tape. It was posted by a scientific predicator as good as you,
something like "in 1992, Taiwan's Li Huai will liberate mainland". I miss
him. Well, maybe you can donate for him? See below:

-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:16:11 CDT

In article <1992Oct9.184054.6074@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.174235.9024@news.iastate.edu>,
>|> 
>|> >Anyone who wants to go to college and passes the test can go.
>|> >No matter how poor you are, no matter what your background is red or black.
>|> It is the same in mainland China. Anyone who wants to go to college
>and passes
>|> the test can go. No matter how poor you are, no matter what background you
>|> have. Plus, there is absolutely no tuition in China!!! "red or black"
>has not
>|> been a factor in college admission in China for more than 10 years. It is
>|> interesting to see people from Taiwan always think the current China as the
>|> China in Culture Revolution. What causes that?

No, this year 10% of the freshmen have to pay part of their tuition.

The cause was misinform.
>
>I did not accuse china of anything. All I said was what taiwan does.
>So, it was great that china has a better system than that of ten years ago.
>
>It is interesting to see people from china always being so defensive of the
>faults they had in the past or they have now. What causes that?

Because they realized that they had done bad things and hope could do better
plus some kind of ....


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xinli@cs.utwente.nl (Xinli Hou)
Subject: Re: Da4 Zha4 Lan2 and Guang1 Zha4
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:34:22 GMT



>Hi, The place in Beijing is spelled as below: 
>
>       #          #               # ##### ##### 
>       #          #   ###  ###    # #   # #   # 
>       #          #   # #  # #    # ##### ##### 
>       #          #   # #  # #  #####   # #   # 
>############### ##### # #  # #    # ##### ##### 
>       #          #   # #  # #   ## #    #    # 
>       #          #   # #  # #   ## # ####### # 
>       #         ### ##########  ####    #    # 
>       #         ## # # #  # #   ## # ####### # 
>      # #       # # # # #  # #  # # # #  #  # # 
>     #   #      # #   # #  # #  # # # # ### # # 
>    #     #       #   # #  # #    # # ####### # 
>   #       #      #  #  #  # #    # #   ###   # 
>  #         #     #  #  # #  #    # #  # # #  # 
> #           #    # #   # #  #    # # #  #  # # 
>#             #   #    ##   ##    # ##   #   #  

>And it is pronounced as da4 zha4 lan2, meaning big fence. 

>The zha4 is the same as in guang1 zha4, which is used in optics. 

>       #          #             
>  #    #    #     #   ###  ###  
>   #   #    #     #   # #  # #  
>    #  #   #      #   # #  # #  
>    #  #  #     ##### # #  # #  
>       #          #   # #  # #  
>###############   #   # #  # #  
>     #   #       ### ########## 
>     #   #       ## # # #  # #  
>     #   #      # # # # #  # #  
>     #   #      # #   # #  # #  
>    #    #        #   # #  # #  
>    #    #        #  #  #  # #  
>   #     #        #  #  # #  #  
>  #      #    #   # #   # #  #  
>##       ######   #    ##   ##  
>-- 

Yes, we are talking about the same place. But I remebered that when I visited
Beijing, Beijing folks say "Da4 Shi2 Le4_r". (I am not sure about the spelling
Le4_r, by which I mean Le4 with an ending pronounciation "er".)

Hou Xinli
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:37:41 GMT
Organization: New York University

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>You are not clever enough. Give you another hint (some pupils usually are not  
>intelligent enough and depend on others' hint to do homeworks). You might know  
Please rank all netters in terms of their "clever"-ness. Are u on top of the
list?

- Li, Qiang


London's burning! London's burning!
Fetch the engines! Fetch the engines!
Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
Pour on water! Pour on water!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:28:20 GMT

In article <ldrmpsINNhj1@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM
(Steven Lin) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct15.172807.3359@odin.corp.sgi.com> (Yu Chang) writes:
|> >In article <1bj56mINNas6@agate.berkeley.edu> (Bo-Yi Lin) writes:

|> >What happened to those "real-wide blvds" of 40 years ago?
|> >
|> Well, the city of Kaosiung has been expanded many times bigger, but the old
|> city remains unchanged. Perhaps it was so wide for tricycles and bicycles,
|> it is certainly not too wide for too many cars. People seem to miss the
|> cycles so much, but hate cars because the cars jam the streets as Bo-yi
|> indicated. When I went there in 60s, it was hard to see cars in the
new city,
|> now it is covered with high-rise buildings. Hey, people feel better for a
|> GNP $200 under Japanese, but not too good for a GNP $10K.

Exactly my point when I asked the question which Bo-yi still have not
answered. I was brought up there and went back this August.
The major blvds are still there and I would not call any 6 lane blvd narrow.
The new ones were just great such as Chung1 Hwa 3 Road and Ju3 Ru2 4 Road
around where my borther lives. The older Gu3 San1 3 Road and
Juo3 Yin2 Da4 Lu4 are crowded as ever.

I just hope netters do not make comments or accusations with no
evidence or support.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27901 talk.politics.china:1928
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: 6/4 Amnesty, Qiao Shi Proposed, Jiang Zeming Opposed.
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:16:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulowell.Bw4wn2.E0J
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science

In article <Bw4GBv.792@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>According to World Journal report from Hong Kong Morning Post,
>Qiao Shi has proposed the amnesty for prisoners held after
>Beijing 6/4 Massacre. According to the source, the list may
>include Wang Juntao, Chen Ziming and Bao Tong.
>
>Qiao Shi's proposal was opposed by the Party Secretary General
>Jiang Zeming. It is speculated that Qiao Shi will propose again
>after the 14th CCP Congress.
>
>Qiao Shi's proposal was supported by several people including
>Wan Li. 
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Question: Why Jiang Zeming opposes the amnesty?
The Question shoulb be: is the "news"(rumer?) reliable? 
How many "news" from those "journal" turned out to be wrong?
I am damn sure no mattter what THAT will boost sale of the  Hong Kong Morning
Post.
>
>Xiao Li
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:06:11 EDT
Distribution: usa,soc
Organization: Cornell University

xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai) writes: 
> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
>>Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>>very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
>>spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>>nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
>                                                                  ?????????
> 
> Look like you are writing something for yourself, :-)  I doubt if
> anyone else cares about your "grammatical erros". Take it easy, pal!

Your pal said spelling errors don't matter, "grammatical errors" do.  And 
only "obvious grammatical errors" matter,  those that aren't so obvious don't.

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Poor Shannon
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:32:56 GMT

In article <7789@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.223323.16998@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>  
c9c-ed@po.berkeley.edu ( ) writes:
>  >Dear all,
>  >
>  >I am highly puzzled on why Shannon Yeh is so unpopular. I, while  
sympathetic
>  >with those students who will get in trouble if they returned to China, do
>  >believe that he has a valid point.  
>  >
>  >I think this situation bears a lot similarity to the L.A. Riots and the  
June
>  >4th movement.  Now, if any of you did participate in the 6/4 movement,  
admit
>  >it, there are lots of students who participated in it for the 'fun',
>  >'glory', 're-nao', not truly for their belief in democracy.  Just like what
>  >is said about Chai-Lin, and Wang-dan, these so called 'leaders' took the
>  >glory and hid away when the major crackdown came. 
>  >
>  >So is the same thing for the protection bill.  So many of the students who
>  >will benefit just want the damn green card, they don't really have the
>  >'cause' behind it -- meaning, they are probably willing to say/do/claim
>  >whatever needed to get the card.  And, why not, it has such a nice 'ring'  
to
>  >it -- for the sake of 'human right protection'...
>  >
>  >Of course, what Shannon Yeh did, mailing to the employers and all, is not
>  >that good.  But put your hand on your heart, and can you still say that he
>  >doesn't have a somewhat valid point?  I think you all attacked him because
>  >he candidly uncovered something you rather keep 'implied', not spoken out.
>  >
>  >And if you are one of the perspective benefitees, do you dare say you will
>  >truly be 'persecuted' if you went back, while most of you probably never
>  >laid a finger on the 6/4 movement?  Isn't this what is called the repugnant
>  >"jian4-fen1-shi3-duo4"?  But then, of course, we are not saints.  I  
probably
>  >would do the same thing, if i were in the shoes.
>  
> Can someone out there tell me who this guy is?
> Next time he may say that students in TAM killed thousands of PLAs.
> Just watch out.
> 
> Y.Duan

In fact, Shannon Yeh had already pointed out that it was the students who fired  
at PLAs first during 6.4. These days, somebody even think coal is white.

Carl
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Shannon, Bush, and others
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:11:20 GMT

Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu wrote:

                 ____               ___
----    ----     |=||     \ |     \ | |_\  __|__    ----   -----     ---
 /|\   |=|=|=| |------| __\_|__   \ ---     /|-|    ----  |-|-|-|  ---|---
  |    --/-/-    |--|      /\       \/     / |-|   ------ |/\/\ |   |=|=|
         \/      |==|     /  \   |/ /\       |-|          |    \|   ==|==
         /\      | \|    /    \              |\|                  ____|___ .

 /         __|/__   _\_ _|_\    |==|     /         __|/__
/|----|      |\     |=|  /\    -----    /|----|      |\
_|_||_|_     | \    /|\ /  \|   /|--    _|_||_|_     | \ .
			       /\|____

LaoZi is not going to buy the shit!

shannon
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+          Are you trying to break into Shannon's machine?  I think
+          this is totally wrong.  Why do you have to understand what
+          he thinks by reading his mails?  He is an open person who is
+          not afraid of saying what he thinks.
+
+          Shannon certainly has the right to express himself either
+          through broken English or Chinese cuo4 bie2 zi4 :-).
+
+          My major concern is that Shannon has drafted a letter to
+          Bush in which some strong languages are used.  I just
+          wonder if he has sent it out or not.  And I sorta "nie1 zhe4
+          yi1 ba3 han4" for him.
+
+          About 8 yrs ago, I read a book which describes the
+          Guarding System of White House.  I understand they have
+          psychologists from the FBI who analyze every letter and
+          label those considered abnormal, especially those with
+          strong languages, as potential risks to the president.
+            
+          At any given time of the year, there are about 100 people
+          labeled this way nationwide, and their behaviors are
+          systematically monitored.  So my advice to Shannon is:  "ti2
+          gao1 ge2 ming4 jing3 ti4".  If you observe any stranger
+          wondering around your company or you house, with sun
+          glasses, wolkie-talkie, and ya1 she2 mao4, try to pretend
+          you did not see them, but grab the first available taxi, go
+          to the airport, and leave this country.
+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: looking for Miss Zhou Ying (coming from Tsinghua Univ.)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:15:06 GMT


If you know Miss Zhou Ying, a Chinese student now studying in U.S.A.,
please tell me her address by email, or tell her my information:


Qiu Liebin
36E - 1411 Morisset Ave.
Ottawa, Ont., Canada K1Z 8H3
Email: lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca

Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: Looking for Mr. Liu Hong (Connecticut)
Summary: please contact Mr. Qiu Liebin
Keywords: coming from Beijing
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:16:09 GMT


If you know Mr. Liu Hong ( now studying in Economics Dept. of
Connecticut University), please tell me his address, or tell him my
information:

Mail address:   Qiu Liebin
                36E - Morisset Ave.
                Ottawa, Ont., Canada K1Z 8H3

Email:          lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca
 
Thank you.
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qin Hui was not Qin "Kuai"
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:34:05 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <BvyqLt.K5v@nic.umass.edu>, s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
> In article <ldbg2nINN9n9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM                                    
> >              3. Zi Nan (it was Zi4 Nan3, now it is pronounced Zi3 Nan3)
> 
> Zhi3 Nan3 (guide)?
> >
> 
> 

What or where is Zhi3 Nan3? Or, is it called 'gigolo' in English?

I have a random thought here. 

Assume the history path of China was started like a CPU crunching the
instructions stored in the memory. Then, suddenly, an interrupt was
initiated by the deviating force from the CCP, causing the regular path
of the Chinese history, as a CPU, to serve this interrupt. See, now
the mainstream history of China is deviated to this interrupt routine.

If the interrupt routine was not written well by CCP, the Chinese history
would never go back to its original interrupted point, be dumped or downed
to a never-never land.

The Chinese should realize that they are writing the history, and a great
obligation is endowed upon them to rejuvenesce the honor and glory of China.


-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: for your sake
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:56:41 GMT

i consulted a couple of people, and they told me that the blood cardd for
blood carders could not 100% guranteed.  And obviously, we 9201 people do 
not like to end the fights right now.  (By the way, some blood carders
used many rude words with me after they thought they finally got their
blood cards.)

So, don't count your blood card as the sure thing.  We 9201 people will use
whatever resource we have to bring this fight to the very end.

shannon
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