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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:40:51 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Hopefully
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              13 Sep 92 15:27:24 -0600. <9209132130.AA17873@sics.se>

  Here's webster on "hopefully". Maybe Natalie helped write this entry.

lludd> webster hopefully
hope-ful-ly \'ho^-p-fe-le^-\
1: in a hopeful manner
2: it is hoped
usage Only the irrationally large amount of critical fire drawn by
     sense 2 of hopefully requires its particular recognition in a dictionary.
     Similar use of other adverbs (as interestingly, presumably,
     fortunately) as sentence modifiers is so commonplace as to excite
     no notice whatever. While it still arouses occasional objection,
     hopefully as a sentence modifier has been in use at least since
     1932 and is well established as standard.
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From:         RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Too busy to play Words-l
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Hello, out there! I'm afraid that with the demands of the new
semester I'm falling behind with the list. Can I interest you
in a short piece of student writing from the first day of
class? The question:

   3. Use this space to tell something about yourself.

   I whant to be a physical theropist when I get out of
  Salem State. I injoy sports, I play Basketball, and
  shoot riffles. I'm on the Mass. State riffle team. But
  I'am hopeing to do well at Salem.

They shoot riffles, don't they?

     --Rod
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:54:48 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: the world's oldest profession

>     If your definition of prositution requires the exchange of money
>     for sexual services, then many human occupations predate it.  But
>     if you include the transaction by which a woman exchanges sex for
>     protection and food for herself and her children, then
>     prostitution is as old as the human race.
>
>     Carol

I didn't know that Hillary Clinton subscribed to this list.  Uses
a pseudonym too.  Huh.

-Mka
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:01:19 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: "Prescriptivism"
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> It is as simple as this: "I have a say, so I would like a distinction to
> be preserved. Let's argue it out using the (subjective) notion of what is
> sensible and practical."

Right.  Your arguing, of course, won't preserve the distinction.  But you're
free to argue as much as you want to.

>"The etymology is not on your side" is not the kind of argument a descriptivist
>can use, even as a minor bolster to the main argument (which I still don't
>know).

I agree 100%.  Apparently I didn't make my point clear.  My point was that
I found it ironic that the prescriptivists who *do* sometimes argue from
etymology didn't realize that in this particular case that argument would
backfire on them.  *I* have never argued a current meaning on the basis of
etymology.

> Hm. Maybe I am only imagining a "main argument". So let me ask first, are
> prescriptions just not allowed?

Allowed by whom?  I don't think that God involves Herself in these matters.
People can prescribe, proscribe, and otherwise babble away without any
restriction that I know of -- or at least in some countries.  I guess that
certain kinds of prescriptions are not allowed in certain countries.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:12:24 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: To
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Posted on 5 Sep 1992 at 20:26:25 by Natalie Maynor
>> Not to spoil your fun, but this is articulatory phonetics, not phonology.
>But articulatory phonetics is part of phonology in that a phonological
>system is impossible without phones.

Natalie, there are phonologists and phoneticians turning in
their graves as you write. Phonologists very seldom sully their
hands w/ phones, they are concerned w/ phonological systems.
Phoneticians deal w/ the dirty data of real speech. More phonologists
are starting to look at phonetic data, though, which I think is a
positive trend.

Karen
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:59:24 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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	--What, no snuggles?  no huggles?  no frazzles?  no sizzles? no ripples?
	no tipples?

	no Giggles??!!

	--bayla (in disbelief)

The mind boggles!

G
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:22:32 -0500
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gossiping about Natalie and prescriptivism
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On Sun, 13 Sep 1992, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I hate to admit this, but I was a prescriptivist until I was in my
> 30s and discovered linguistics.  What I really hate is that I had been
> teaching English since age 22 with no idea what language was really about.

See? I always knew linguistice was the percursor to brain damage! Natalie,
S.I. Hayakawa (hallowed be his name) is rolling over in his grave.

> abh:  I stopped in same dirty restroom in Sulligent, AL, a few hours ago,
> hoping to find your letter in -Time-.  But the old copies of -Time- were
> gone, replaced by scattered sections of a Tuscaloosa newspaper.

I am complimented indeed, having never before been the cause of repeated
visits to the same dirty restroom..

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:14:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Return of Rod
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> >I think that we've established that this in an Exeter list.
>
>     Mka--Is there really any Exeter tie-in on Words-l? I was there
> for a year ten years ago as a Bennett Fellow.
>     --Rod (with the Andover, England au pair)

I thought Mka was talking about *Phillips-Exeter*, which does have
a tie-in, since the lovely first-born daughter of -ggs was a student
there from 1976 to 1979 and went on to become the only female
partner of a huge law firm in Lincoln, NE.
Or, maybe Rod is talking about *P-E* ???  I am so confused.
This <text> is a mess.
--ggs (with no hope of *ever* having a paper accepted by Professor
Maynor...)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:42:00 EST
From:         "Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366"
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Subject:      My trip tp France and Happy Labor Day (USA)

The following might not as interesting as some of Gilbert's stories but,
I will try.

I left Philadelphia on May 14, 1992 with high hopes for a successful trip.
I arrived at Philadelphia International Airport to find a huge line
hovering around the TWA counter. After waiting for 25 minutes, I
made it to the counter. They were nice but, the sales agent told me
my original flight was canceled and she would be put on a later flight.
I was happy that I would be able to leave so, I said "Sure, put on the
later flight". After waiting on the ground for 30 mins. we left Philly.
35 mins on a 767 then we landed in New York. New York was foggy and
crowded. I went to the gate and found out that the second flight was cancelled.
I was heartbroken because, I only had a limited number of days so I did not
want to waste one in New York. TWA put in a $180.00 a night hotel and
told me to come back on the 15th. I came back to find hundreds milling around
the TWA terminal. I learned never travel on a weekend. The flight had
440 seats out 450 filled so it was very crowded. It was extremely bumpy
and the whole plane was in a bitchy mood. We arrived 2 hours late. Our landing
was comical. The plane was so heavy that we landed on DeGaulle longest
runway and slammed hard. We used most of the runway and screeched to a halt.
The pilot then asked, if all passengers were ok.

I will write possibly later if people were are interested.


later

alec
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:52:00 EST
From:         "Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Goodbye
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Goodbye.

later

alec
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:45:58 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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> Hmmmmmmm...I definitely have the stop in there, though I can make it
> without and it still sounds okay.

When moving from the stop to the interdental fricative, does your tongue
slide neatly forward, or does it sort of skitter?  I'm practicing it again
right now -- not because I have any desire to change my pronunciation --
just out of curiosity over how it works.  I just thought of something.
I bet that people who have both [t] and [0] (<--- that's supposed to
be a theta, not a zero) in "eighth" also have both the [f] and the [0]
in "fifth" -- something else that I don't have.  I lose the [f].
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor)
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Subject: Re: wordsler birthdays
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:46:00 GMT
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Hmmm.  I just thought about something.  Does the address in a crontab
file have to be a local address?  I don't see why it would have to be
local.  It's just that the only time I've used crontab was to remind a
local user to feed Bernard for a few days while I was out of town by
having crontab send her a flashing Bernard banner several times a day
while I was gone.  It might be fun to set crontab going to send giggles
birthday greetings every 15 minutes on Sept. 13...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL (Graham Toal)
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Date: 13 Sep 92 17:11:34 GMT
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:>IMHO, Lee Pederson's LAGS-related book that came out long before LAGS
:>was anywhere close to being finished.  My brain is dead tonight.  I can't
:>even remember the title of the book, although it would be very easy to
:>find with a quick telnet hop to any library catalogue.  Oh -- LAGS=
:>Linguistic Atlas of the Gulf States.
:
:Took a while to realize that this means the southern US states!  Gulf
:States always makes me think of Bahrein, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, etc.

I wondered on first sight as well, but assumed it had to be the Gulf of
Mexico rather than the Persian gulf from the default assumption of
Americocentrism.

Actually LAGS threw me as well for a scond - it's the local Lesbian
and Gay Society.

G
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:59:20 -0500
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WHTMITL4
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Get outta here, giggles, now I *know* you're spoofing us!

-abh
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:37:03 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Joneses
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> set words-l mail

> Regarding my last posting (an e-oops): see how starved for Words-L
> traffic one is after just 29 hours?

I was happy to see your posting.  I thought maybe it was a magic
incantation that would start the list moving again.  Things have been
too quiet today.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:12:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Doris Smith <dorisann@tenet.edu>
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: family [tree and otherwise]
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> Does this mean I can go down to the safety deposit box at Citibank and take
> Whiteout (tm) to my birth certificate?  8-)
> <sniff>
>
> John "Yea, and Mean & NASTY too!" W.

Yes, son.  But stop sniffing that stuff, it's not good for you.  We want
to make a good impression on our relatives.
Mom
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:19:31 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Brother Barbara
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>> I heard an interesting paper at the meeting in Strasbourg.
>> There is a lot of new research going on with bonobos (pygmy
>> chimpanzees) these days, with a lot of controversy about the
>> meaning of what is learned.
>
>Not the only controvery... they were mentioned on soc.bi as
>having <interesting> love-lifes... the perfect answer to the
>fundie loonies who say that various lifestyles are 'unnatural'
>because they 'don't happen in the animal kingdom'...
>
>(I usually point out that animals don't have religion eithr, but it never
>seems to sway them...)
>
>G
That's only half the controversy.

People with "alternate lifestyles" are saying that they
are being slandered as being "like animals"...

<sigh>

love, judith
From: AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior)
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Date: 11 Sep 92 16:41:02 GMT
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>King Kuts -- Bernard's second favorite brand of canned dogfood.  Mighty
>Dog is his favorite.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Maybe Lorne Greene's been around so long because Alpo's been
around so long.

-Mka
So what is Bernard's favorite non-canned dog food?
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:03:30 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Zen

>> Having trouble with humor today?
>>
>> later
>>
>> alec
>
>A condition I'd think you would have no trouble identifying, or at least,
>empathizing with.
>
>-abh

Le Pig lives !!!  Seems to be warming up to something great.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:46:21 GMT
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Subject:      Thank you!

*** Resending note of 09/11/92 14:42

>Thanks to each and every one who has sent me messages.  I am so touched
>by all of your good wishes that I feel like crying.  And I thought I
>didn't have a friend in the world!

>Evelyn

Well, I'll bet you have friends you didn't even realize!  Great that
you are back!

Don, AKA in some quarters as JM!  (could be worse!)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:22:03 CDT
From:         aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU
Subject:      RE: calendar
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>do the Official Words-l Calendar yet ? Has anybody offered to
>pose for wordsler of the month ? I would be willing to make

Neil Traven, wearing a catcher's mitt and a smile.

-abh
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:40:08 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: movin' woes
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>Remind me, the next time i ask advice on moving
>to a bad part of town, NOT TO DO IT.

Jenna...

>i know, i can hear abh "I told ya so".

...you beat me to it. Get out now.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:27:32 EDT
From:         Theresa Wild <TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      clambake pics

Ruth,

   If you don't know what to do with those baby/baby-watching
pics, and maybe a few others, they would make a nice addition
to Lillia's album.  Some day she'll ask me what they are and
I'll tell her she was at an historic gathering - The First
Words-L Clambake.

Any ideas what to fill baby food jars with for gifts?  I just
couldn't throw the little buggers out and have pawned all I
could on my relatives who preserve.  I don't have the time
for jellies or jams.

Theresa
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:23:23 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Hopefully
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:> > Because it's used incorrectly so often. Now, people often say "hopefully
:> > you will like the explanation." A correct usage of the word would be "she
:> > -abh
:> What abh said.  <Hopefully> is an adverb and needs to be used as one.
:> Doris
:
:And it's not an adverb in the example above?  If not, what is it?
:   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

A sentence modifier, it would appear.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:28:26 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Story to make ABH wanna marry me #2

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:55:59 GMT richh said:
>aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU (MIPS+Toys=Bandwidth) writes:
>
>>>Subj:	Story to make ABH wanna marry me #2
>
>>Rich, my darling,
>
>>Let's name the first child Rita.
>
>ok, but what if it's a girl?

Bruno.
>
>RICHH

Evelyn
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Subject:      Shakespeare

>= Know what I mean?
>
>Nope.
>
>(Just wanting to have fun with new mail configurations, and this is the
>first quickie I could toss back)
>
>Steph

There are laws agains playing twister on your VAX.  (But I've
never been one to turn down a good configuration.)

-Mka
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: To
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> STOP before I write more book reviews!  Did I *really* say that, in
> *that* language?

I don't think I quoted 100% directly.  But close enough.

>  I *know* where you got this, and why, Natalie dear,

Where:  pp. 144-147, plus blurb on p. 184.  Why:  because it's in the
convention issue of SAR -- the only issue I bring home and examine.

> because *he* is one of your spies from MS.   I know that!

Hmmmm.  I bet I know who the "he" is that you're referring to, but he
had nothing to do with my receiving my copy of the SAR today, bringing
it home to look at the convention schedule, and then stumbling upon an
almost-familiar name.  But they spelled it wrong.  It said Gilbert instead
of giggles.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

P.S.  Are you going to SAMLA?  With or without your t/c?
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:31:00 EST
From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: New
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>I'm fairly new to this list and would like to know if this is a any topic
>discussion list?

Most topics are covered but, we revert back to a discussion of words on
good days.

later

alec
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shakespearemus

>>Know what I mean?
>Nah, you got (more) pigs in blankets...
>
>>-Mka
>judith

Only if you in fact traded the food for the sex.

-Mka
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:32:57 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Anglicizing
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Posted on 6 Sep 1992 at 20:16:29 by tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
>>>>                           In her day it was considered correct
>>>>to give English pronunciations to foreign words in English.
>>>
>>> I have always wondered why it is wrong to do that now. What is the
>>
>>Who said it was wrong?
>>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I think it's part of the whole pc/multiculti thang.

Karen
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: afterthought
Keywords: gossip
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:42:42 GMT

It occurred to me, after I'd logged off, that Graham's gripe about women's
groups was a perfect example of a new usage: "women" meant to include all
humanity.  Is this something new from soc.bi, Graham?

--bayla 
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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:> were universally ignorant.  That's one place abh & I will not be
:> sending *our* kids...
:
:I cannot envision any child we might spawn that he doesn't at some point
:in his life end up saying, "Ceptin! She canna take much more of this!" Zoooom.

Aw!  I wanted a girl!

G
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Family Tree
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:48:24 GMT

Well, I *never*!

All you folks were begun by immaculate conception: who's this <ts>
character?  

And, iggles, I'm the list *grandma*.  Sheesh, as tushar might say, whaddaya
gotta do to get respect around here?

Furthermore, I do not <make peace> -- I simply point out some possibly
overlooked circumstances or interpretations.  

I swan, there never has *been* such a set of misunderstandings since Hector
was a pup!  

<harrumph>

--bayla


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