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From: rdh@sli.com (Robert D. Houk)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Gunzines (Was: Gun Tests Subscriptions)
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:54:59 GMT
Organization: Software Leverage, Inc. Arlington, Ma


   #   declined to renew.  While the idea of a "Consumer's Report" type  
   magazine
   #   for guns is great, IMHO _Gun Tests_ doesn't live up to the idea.
   ...

   So which magazine would you guys recommend?  Most others seem so  
   motivated by advertising $$$ that their reviews aren't worth anything  
   ...

Personally, I would rate _American Handgunner_ as first, _American Rifle-
man_ as second. I still subscribe to _Gun Tests_. (This from the perspec-
tive of handguns only.)

American Handgunner seems to provide "realistic" reviews (I am inclined
to believe what they have to say). They cover a fairly wide range of
topics. And the photography is superb (hey - if I'm gonna drool over all
sorts of nice toys I can't afford, at least gimme a nice picture of them
instead!). American Handgunner - to me at least - has about the highest
percentage of must-and-worth reading pages of any of the gunzines.

American Rifleman is of course the American Rifleman. Need I say more?

I continue my subscription to Gun Tests because they do provide a dif-
ferent (albeit at a rather expensive dollars-to-words ration) viewpoint.
I think its worth it just for that. I know of no other gunzine where I
have found an article comparing a dozen different "oils" for lubrication
and rust prevention (by actually taking pieces of steel, lubing them,
and then abusing them). Gun Tests is also about the only place where I
find several similar <x> (where <x> is "firearms", "oils", "reloaders",
etc.) compared side-by-side. [I grant that after the "Dillon Fiasco" I
was annoyed, but anyone who also claims that the Browning Hipower is still
the class act to beat is OK in my book...] Actually, its kinda like Net
News, gems scattered amongst all the noise . . .

_Guns and Ammo_, _Shooting Times_, _Handgunning Quarterly_ (or whatever
they turned into), etc. all seem kinda interchangeable. They all seem to
run the same articles by the same people.

Moste of the Wolfe publications are excellante (_Rifle_, _Handloading_,
and whatever their hunting bi-now-allegedly-quadra-annual mag is - more
superb photography).

Of course one also runs the risk of having so much *reading* material that
one doesn't seem to get around to much actual *doing* . . .

					-RDH
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: ARMOR PIERCING PISTOL
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:23 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.uc.EDU (Bill Preuss) writes:

#I am looking for information on armor piercing pistol ammo.  Would
#appreciate any info or reference material.  Thanks,
#Bill Preuss

  It's illegal, what else do you want to know? :)                       
  At least here in the US it is.
From: rani@barsoom.nhh.no (Ragnar Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Reloading .32 ACP
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:23 GMT
Organization: Norwegian School of Economics

I've just ordered my Lee Pro 1000 press kit in 9mmP from Midsouth.
It hasn't arrived yet, but I'm already thinking about getting a
conversion kit for .32 ACP. I seldom get to shoot my PPK because of
prohibitive ammo cost, and I guess I'd shoot it a lot more if I could
roll my own.

However, Midsouth doesn't sell complete conversion kits for the Pro 1000,
so I have to assemble my own.

I've found shell holders, shell plate carrier and a die set, and I was
wondering about the turret. Midsouth has a Lee turret in their catalog,
but I suspect this is for their Lee Turret press.
Does anybody know wether turrets are interchangeable between the Lee
Turret press and the Pro 1000? I'd hate to readjust the dies between
changes, and keeping my dies permanently set up on an extra turret
seems like a neat idea.

Furthermore, does anyone have experience in reloading the .32 ACP in
general and on Lee progressives in particular, I'd be very interested
in hearing about it.

Season's greetings to you all from Norway!

regards,

Ragnar
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 8 x 57 Mauser's
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:02:37 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

Just got mine back from the smith, I wanted it checked
out as to safety. It has not been fired in over 40 years
and had a cracked stock by the pistol grip area. Well I
acquired and fitted a "new" military stock and leather
sling. The only thing missing is a "hood" for the front
sight and a bayonet. If anyone has one laying around
from a sporterizing job that they dont need anymore would
you drop me a line (either the hood or the bayonet). 
I don't have time for the show circuit so I thought I
would try here first, Thanks.
Also anyone have any pet loads for the 8mm, after going
through the "Speer" reloading manual I have some nice
alternatives and only need to fire the 2 boxes of factory
ammo. I also acquired for xmas the Hornady twin die set,
these are the first Hornady tools I have yet used, all
my other stuff is RCBS and I like the way the Hornady die
locking ring locks by tightening the collar instead of
dinging up the threads the way the RCBS dies do. Is, in
the nets opinion, Hornady "Good Stuff" or not :-) in com-
parison with RCBS.

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From: wthomas@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: .22 target piston infor request
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:59:51 GMT
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


sugesstions as to make and model?
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Cartridges needing identification
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:52:00 GMT


The blue plastic 7.62 NATO cartridges are short range practice cartridges.
Upon firing the "bullet" breaks away from the "case" at the slight groove
or step and proceeds down the barrel. The blunt shape and light weight
cause it to slow down rapidly, but it's lethal at close range. Similar
cartridges are available for 9mm, 5.56mm, and .50 BMG.

"DAG" is I think Dynamit Nobel AG.

Damn, lost your address again, Russ!

Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
Geordi: "...it's like the laws of physics went right out the
window." Q: "And why shouldn't they? They're so inconvenient."
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Hi-Power mag safety
Date: 1 Jan 93 23:57:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) says:

#I dunno about this--my HP came with the extended ambidextrous safety. It's
#an assembled in Portugal job, the box says, "Mark III S". It looks to me
#like you could turn the magazine release around pretty easily. (I haven't
#tried it, though.)

	Wouldn't it be upside down then?

Jim
From: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 10 mm autopistols
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:59:40 GMT
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <1i308gINN75d@mirror.digex.com> by curt@access.digex.com (curt williams):

# I keep hearing vaguely worded criticisms of the 10mm cartridge, but I
# can never get any specifics.  I understand that the FBI dumped the
# 10 after having problems.  Were these problems:

Mostly problems with the S&W pistols they bought.  They had the nasty habit of
jamming in such a way as to not only be incapable of being fired, but of even
being cleared or disassembled.  Beating the pistol with a rubber mallet, was
not considered acceptable as standard field stripping procedure.... :)

Supposedly the problem was with the decocking lever, which was over long and 
jammed the slide shut.  I hear the problem has been "fixed" and that they plan
to reissue the pistols.  

I'll stick with my .40S&W Glock 22.

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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:01:03 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California

In article <199212200619.AA13742@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com> kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:
#In article <9212170559.AA02978@hpfcso.HP.COM> post@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (David Post) writes:

#On a related question, do you guys think you would have sufficient
#time to react? The car jackers, that I've heard of, often use a brick
#to smash your windshield and then point a gun at you before you have
#the time to react to the smash. The whole thing can occur within
#two seconds after you see the car jacker; e.q., someone jumped out
#a minivan in front of you, smashed your windshield, and pointed a gun
#at you. So what's the solution?

Someone jumps out in front of me with a brick and throws it at my
windshield, I'm going to lean over onto the passenger seat so that
the dash shields me from {glass, brick, stuff} and my foot is going
to push the gas pedal to the floor...   He will either: 1) be run
over since he was close enough to throw the brick and right in front. or
2)  be scared shitless as this car goes flying past him.

I think I'll have some very good chance of hitting some other parked
car, but I hope that I'll be able to recover enough to avoid a direct
incapacitating (to the car) hit.  What would then follow would be a
series of quick glances out the window to keep moving enough to get
out of gun range, while mostly keeping my head down...

Ought to make one heck of a mess one way or the other ...  should get
a fair amount of attention ...  may get me killed ... but I'm not
going to submit to any armed thug.  I've got a 2000 lb bullet, and I'm
going to use it!

In the scenario you stated, the perp ought to end up crushed between
my car and the mini-van ...  I would then hit reverse and do a 180 as
soon as I could.  I should have about 5 miles before the lack of a
radiator takes out my engine ...

Do most car jackers use a 9mm?  And what level of threat is a 9mm after
passing through the sheet metal of a car?  (i.e. is it still likely to
be lethal after passing through {hood at a grazing angle, dash materials,
etc...)?

-- 

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'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock numbering.
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:44:04 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1993Jan1.180649.25245@ke4zv.uucp> emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:
##     The first Glock to hit the market was the 17 - were numbers 1
##through 16 prototype models?

#The 17 refers to magazine capacity, a marketing ploy.

At least according to Kasler's book on Glocks, this isn't the case:
Glock no doubt wanted to avoid starting at one for marketing reasons, 
but he selected 17 because the pistol was his seventeenth patent.

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder
From: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 8 x 57 Mauser's
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:28 GMT
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR


In article <1992Dec29.165541.4440@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:
#I also acquired for xmas the Hornady twin die set,
#these are the first Hornady tools I have yet used, all
#my other stuff is RCBS and I like the way the Hornady die
#locking ring locks by tightening the collar instead of
#dinging up the threads the way the RCBS dies do. Is, in
#the nets opinion, Hornady "Good Stuff" or not :-) in com-
#parison with RCBS.

I've got three sets of Hornady New Dimension dies in 32-20, .308 
and .357mag.  They are "good stuff" with three exceptions.

1.  The locking collet for the decapper/expander ball rod must be 
	TIGHT or it will slip.  Get some good fitting wrenches and 
	put a healthy amount of torque on the lock nut.

2.  The allen screws on the locking rings are pure %#)$.  Get new
	ones.

3.  The sliding sleeve bullet seater will sometimes pull out of the 
	seating die body.  ARG!  But it hasn't happened lately, perhaps
	I finally cussed at it enough.  Note, only the .308 dies had 
	this problem.

After getting a set of Bonanza Benchrest Dies in .223 I won't buy
anything else.  They are, in my opinion, the best screw-in dies made.  

- brian@pdx.csd.mot.com ('til 2/1/92)   

-- 
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be without effect..."

- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
From: weba@batman.cs.hut.fi (Veijo Paavali L{nsikunnas)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 1000yrd BR and .338 Lapua Magnum
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:06:13 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab

In <9212211827.AA24779@zippy.cs.UMD.EDU> C96@vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER) writes:

#Of course, there is always the venerable .50 BMG... However, I earnestly
#wonder (or should I say: am annoyed) how few American shooters seem to know
#the fine .338 Lapua Magnum that has been specially designed for long-range
#precision work. Superior to both .300s you mentioned - and it's a *factory*
#cartridge, too.

This year Sako introduced a new target rifle in .338 Lapua Magnum 
(and .308Win). Sako TRG features stainless barrel, adjustable trigger and
adjustable fiberglass stock. And options are bipod, factory installed
scope of your choice, muzzle brake and silencer. The trigger can be
removed without disassembling the whole gun. The .308Win version has
a 10rnd and .338LM a 5rnd magazine. Single shot version is also available.
But the price is quite high 10000FIM (Tikka M65 3500FIM) for the base model.
I wish I had the money...

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Veijo Lansikunnas               If you are going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
weba@niksula.cs.hut.fi                                       - Il Brutto
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .380 Derringer
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:18 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Dec30.231142.16672@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
}ksw9324@zeus.tamu.edu (WASHBURN, KENNETH SCOTT) writes:
}
}#Has anyone had any problems with the Davis Ind. .380 auto caliber derringer?  
}
}#Saw it in a gun shop for only $69.00.  The .22 magnum derringer was the same 
}#price.  At that price it is hard to go wrong.  If one were to load the .380 
}#version with Glaser safety slugs, this would be an adequate self-defence pistl
}
}Well, they are cast from zinc, with steel barrel sleeves, so I don't know
}about how well they would stand up to pressure.
}
}I also wonder if using Glaser's wouln't _decrease_ the effectiveness
}of the gun over using hardball.   Glasers are designed for low penetration,
}and .380 is not famous for penetration in the first place.

Glasers are also loaded to SAAMI (SAMMI?  Damn, I getting senile. (-: )
maximum pressures (or so their package inserts claim).  I don't think I'd
want to shoot them in something so ... er ... um ... lightly constructed.
At best, it wouldn't last long on a steady diet of hot loads (but you'd
need to practice with something approximating your defensive rounds).  At
worst, you could find yourself picking pieces of pistol out of your hand.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
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From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Needed: DaeWoo Parts (Max I, (sliding stock)).
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:31 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

I am need of a hammer for a Dae Woo Max I.
This is the sliding-stock model with a non-removable flash suppressor.
Does anyone know whether or not there is an importer for replacement parts
for DaeWoos?
DaeWoo pistols are being imported. Does anyone know who is importing them?
All help appreciated!
From: grant.robinson@CANREM.COM (Grant Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: airgun lubricant
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:35:46 GMT


The guy I bought the Webly from believed in bathing the whole thing in
Crossman pelletgun oil.  The amount of dust and dirt collected as a
result was enough to made me shudder.  I think I can probably get a
better quality of lubricant that I can use now that I'v cleaned the
whole thing out and get the gun working properly.  My previous
experiences have been with paintball guns to which I found a never
ending delight in hacking apart and tweaking.  I found that a bit of
cheap pellgun oil kept me from blowing the seals.

Regards
GRant
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From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: Saved by the gun
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:38:21 GMT


## In other news tonite, the local news reported a woman kidnapped and raped
## after the rapist took her to his house and chained her to the bed.
## He fell asleep after raping the woman.  She got loose from her chains,
## got his gun and killed him.  Police say there will be no charges filed.
##
#
#I guess stress and shock were in play, here, but again, on the surface, she
#should not have shot and killed him if she apparently had the chance to leave.
#Taking the gun, of course.

Since this happened locally, we probably received more detailed reports.
The rapist told the woman that he had booby-trapped every exit to the
house so it would blow up if she tried to escape.  He also forced her
to drink beer and Southern Comfort.

When she managed to get loose, the rapist woke up.  Luckily, she got
to the gun first.

The newspaper said her boyfriend taught her how to shoot.

Rob
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Appreciate some info
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

Siddhartha Valluri writes:
#
#2) I am planning to buy a SIG 226 what is a good price for
#
#      a) SIG 226
#      B)  "      + SIGLITES
#      C)  "      +   "      + K-KOTE
#
#     ALL NIB

Well, around here (Bay Area), the P226 seems to be running around $650-675 or
so, for the basic blued gun.  K-kote, amazingly enough, seems to add only about
$15 to the price.  SigLites, on the other hand, pretty much add $100 to the
price...

-- 
DVC,
  Paul
From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Shotshell reloader advice?
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:01:46 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site

In article <1992Dec27.034051.27426@bbxrbk> you wrote:
: My wife was kind enough to give me a rather nice shotgun for Christmas
: (a Beretta Onyx 686 - nice wife, eh?) and I'm now in the market for a
: shotshell reloader.  I currently reload on a Dillon 550B and Square
: Deal, and am leaning towards a progressive (or semi-auto) reloader.
: 
: Looking around in the catalogs I can see MEC, Lee and Hornady.  The
: MEC Grabber and Hornady 366 look about equiv, but the Lee line doesn't
: seem to have a progressive.  I can't find a reference to the
: Ponsness-Warren, but I recall it as being a fine loader - any
: references and prices out there?  Any shotshell loaders I've missed?  (I
: haven't called Dillon yet - but didn't think that they were on the verge
: of release of theirs).
: 
: I'll be using mostly Federal AA hulls, likely 700X and will be
: producing 2 3/4" target loads.
: 

Russ,

First, nice .sig.

Second, there is no such thing as a Federal AA hull.  There are Federal's
and there are AA's (Winchester).  The Federal is a straight walled case and
the AA is a tapered wall case.  You typically can't mix wads designed for
the two different cases but Windjammers seem soft enough to work with
either.

I'm sending you a copy of a recent post of mine regarding this question.
Since I posted, I bought and set up an automatic APEX-91 loader from
Hornady.  So far, I am fairly impressed.  I'd definitely recommend it over 
any of the MEC's and over the 366 to a non-366 owner.  I really does offer
some advantages over the 366.  I'm going to order a set of dies and
relagate my 366 to 28 ga. duty.


Good Luck,

Scot
From: davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com (David Post)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Toolhead Set Ups on Reloading Presses
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:38 GMT

Exchangable toolheads on progressive reloading presses seem like an excellent
idea.  Are there any down sides besides cost?

I know Dillon has them.  Anyone else?

David Post    davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post
From: technews@iitmax.iit.edu (Kevin Kadow)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Dart Ballistics and darts
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:17:56 GMT
Organization: Technology News, IIT, Chicago, IL

There are currently at least 2 kinds of .177 airgun darts sold in the US.
The ones described in the article (metal head with "fluff" at rear) are
sold by Service Merchandise, or at any store which carries the lower end of
the Crosman line (one of the cheapest guns is sold with darts and a
dartboard).

	The second type of date consists of an identical metal head, but
with a plastic tail about 2x as long as the head, the tail has an X
cross-section. The packaging CLAIMS that this dart is safe to shoot in
rifled barrels.

	I have fired both kinds of darts from Crosman 357 pellet revolvers,
with no apparent damage to the rifling and reasonable accuracy/power.

	I have found that from higher powered pistols (e.g. Beeman P1) the
plastic-tailed darts become VERY unstable in flight and the few darts that
do imbed themselves in the target have, along with the ones that bounce
off, miss entirely, etc, have their tails broken off.

	Can anybody suggest a rifling safe dart, preferably available in
.20, commecial or homemade, which does not suffer from this problem?


BTW: when shooting darts with a spring air, always load in one or two
cleaning pellets behind the dart (closer to the chamber) to buffer the
cylinder and prevent damage to the chamber.
-- 
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                 may be harmful or fatal.

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From: cower@SSD.intel.com (Rich Cower)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 223 military brass - how long will it last?
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:00:11 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel


Does anyone have any idea of how many times this "once-fired military" 223 
brass can be reloaded and cycled thru a semi-automatic rifle? 

Maybe I'll take some cases, powder, trimmer and press to the range some
day and find this out...

thanks...rich cower