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From: saujla@flamingo.axion.bt.co.uk (Sukhvinder Aujla)
Newsgroups: sse.misc,bt.misc,uk.misc,misc.consumers
Subject: uPVC doors and Windows
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:25:14 GMT
Reply-To: saujla@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs
Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK

I am considering purchasing a uPVC door since mine is rotting
(including frame). I have spoken to two salespersons. Both sell uPVC
doors (useful since I want to buy one). One of the differences in
their products is that one contains boxed aluminum and the other boxed
galvanised steel. It resides in a main cavity of the multi-cavity uPVC
door. 

What I would like to know is if one is better than the other. 

If a hole is made in the metal through the uPVC then:
(1) the steel salesman says the aluminum will turn to powder over a
period of time.
(2) the aluminum salesman says the steel will rust.

Both say, predictably, that their product can cope with having holes
made into the metal.

Advice and comments would be welcome. Thanks in advance.


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From: john@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Alive and Kicking)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Satellite Dishes
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:24:10 GMT
Organization: Ipswich

esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington) writes:

>In article <BxEu5C.717@exnet.co.uk> dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov8.160023.22650@black.ox.ac.uk> tbrann@black.ox.ac.uk (Tony Brannigan) writes:
>>>Hi,
>>>   in Oxford there are a lot of listed buildings with people living in
>>>them, but because they are listed, we aren't allowed to put a satellite
>>>dishe on the roof.  Does anyone know any way round this?
>>>
>>
>>Would putting the dish in the loft work?  Some roofs have bits in the
>>middle not visible from the road---can dishes be put there?
>>
>>Damon

>I doubt that putting the dish in the loft would work as I think
>that a clear line of sight to the satellite is needed, that is,
>with no roof tiles in the way!

When  I moved house a couple of years ago, I temporarily rigged my TV ariel up
in the loft until I could get an installer to put it on the roof.  The picture
was  pretty  crap.   The  installer told me that the roof tiles  etc  can  cut
down  signal by as much as 60% and the transmitter was only a matter of a  few
miles  away.  Therefore I would think that the same problems would apply to  a
dish.



                                        But I could be wrong!

                                                john
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Newsgroups: uk.misc,talk.bizarre
From: csg068@cch.coventry.ac.uk (** DECKER **)
Subject: Re: Stamp Question
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:14:04 GMT

In article <BxM02M.Ax5@cck.coventry.ac.uk> lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson) writes:
>In article <7906@skye.ed.ac.uk> ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
>>
>>In article <BxJp7w.4oJ@cen.ex.ac.uk> DKSmith@msor.exeter.ac.uk (David
>>Smith) writes:
>>
>   The Post Office investigation unit have uncovered at least two instances
>   where stamps have been recycled in this manner.

Apparently they found an ARTICULATED LORRY full of used stamps, ready for
recycling. 

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From: sm@cel.co.uk (salim mehta)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: VCR programming - program timecode info wanted
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:43:55 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Crosfield Electronics Ltd.
In-reply-to: jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk's message of 9 Nov 92 14:17:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.141740.10805@ohm.york.ac.uk> jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll) wrote:
> Does anyone have any information on the coding of the
> TV programme times etc., which enable VCR-illiterate
> people to program their machines by typing in a 5/6 (/7+?)
> digit code into their `Video/+' gadgets.

This old question again! The codes you refer to are *proprietary* to the
people who market the VCRplus device.

This machine is the size of a typical remote control, it controls the VCR
by direct command ie. it sends: switch on/select-channel/record mode.

The codes define a specific time slot within a 30 day (?) period. Each time
slot for a TV channel is assigned a set of arbitrary numbers. VCRplus make
their profits from selling these codes to newspapers and TV guides. For a
popular programme a number with the least digits is printed, for a less
popular slot a longer number is printed.

VCRplus do not publish the coding scheme, nor do they wish for others to
copy their product.

Seemingly some kids in California cracked the codes, they discovered that
VCRplus *will* take legal action to protect their property!!

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From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: humor in England
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:09:02 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
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In article <BxK22t.20M@cck.coventry.ac.uk> gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:
>In article <1dp1toINNmkq@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>>Yuck! Who'd want gravy on chips anyway! In fact who'd want chips? Real
>>Londoners go to Nathans (pronounced Nayfuns) Pie and Eel shop by Upton
>>Park Football Ground, where you can tuck into a "Two pie, two mash and
>>liquor please, luv". Or how about some 'ot eels? Luvverly!
>
>You sad cockney. I have been to Nayfuns once and it was foul. I truly
>can't abide that green puke they serve with everything there. It really
>is dire when people try to advertise such a shitehouse as London by it's
>worst attributes. And this from someone who was born and bred there.

It's you that's sad! Parsley liquor on your pie and mash is bloody
lovely and I won't hear a word said against it. All this from a bloke
who's moved to a dump like Coventry, the only place I know that makes M1
service stations look attractive! More concrete than you could shake a
stick at.

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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Satellite Dishes
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:30:51 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: johnb@kbss.bt.co.uk's message of 10 Nov 92 15:58:59 GMT

In article <144.721411139.kbss.bt.co.uk> johnb@kbss.bt.co.uk (John Bayle) writes:
|
| p.s. I once used a 60cm dish balanced on a dining room table pointing out the
| window. Even with perfect alignment, the picture was awful.
|
| p.p.s. I once used a 60cm dish balanced on a cupboard pointing out through
| double glazing. Even with perfect alignment, there was no picture whatsoever(!)
|
We have a BSB squariel at home. It sits on the floor, pointing out the
(double-glazed) French windows. We get a perfect picture, even when it rains.
Of course, that changes when someone walks in front of it...


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From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: Satellite Dishes
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:33:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.160023.22650@black.ox.ac.uk> tbrann@black.ox.ac.uk (Tony Brannigan) writes:
>    in Oxford there are a lot of listed buildings with people living in
> them, but because they are listed, we aren't allowed to put a satellite
> dishe on the roof.  Does anyone know any way round this?

Build a model shark with a satellite dish inside.

ian
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: How do you claim?
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:46:49 GMT
Organization: City University, London

A car went into the back of our car over the weekend. The person
at fault admitted guilt and supplied names and addresses. He had
a company car and company insurance. We have 3rd party fire and
theft, plus loss recovery.

The question is, what can I claim for and how to go about it?
Is it better to let my insurance company approach the other
insurance company? Will it affect my no-claims bonus? Would it
be quicker to approach the company that owns the car?

Should I get the car fixed (the back bumper and boot is caved in,
the car is a 1983 Audi 80) and present the bill, or should I get
an estimate, get the money then get it fixed? During the time
the car is away for repair, it means my wife cannot take the kids
to playgroup - can I claim for a hired car to cover that?

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dhs@is.city.ac.uk (David Sheryn)
Subject: UK Time Servers ?
Organization: The City University
Distribution: uk
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:14:05 GMT

Do any sites in the UK offer a publicly accessible time service, or are prepared
to enter into a bilateral agreement?

David Sheryn

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From: proberts@castle.ed.ac.uk (P Roberts)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,ed.general
Subject: Whiskey in the Jar
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:07:45 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University


  I'm looking for the words for the song mentioned above.  Would some
kind soul who knows them please either post them or else mail them to me
at proberts@uk.ac.ed.castle.
  Thanks in advance,
                      Paul
From: nic@uk.co.gec-mrc (Nick Chapman)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Stamp Question
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:34:30 GMT
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Nick Chapman (nic@uk.co.gec-mrc) wrote:
> 
> A question that been bothering me for a while...
> 
>     Why do some charity organisations collect used postage stamps?


Here's one possible answer I've been given.

The charity organisations bundle up all the used stamps by the
tea-chest and sell them, often overseas. The buyers are usually
enthusiasts looking for the odd stamp with an imperfection. Such
stamps are rare and hence very valuable.

Some charities are also collecting used phone cards, and I've even
heard of one place collecting bar-codes. These can apparently be sold
to certain companies providing them with market research.


Nick.
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From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Stamp Question
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:52:02 GMT

In article <3207@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
>
>And do the "Guide Dogs For The Blind" still collect milk bottle tops?
>
>I believe that they have more trained dogs than they can use, and much
>spare cash (the largest liquid assets of a UK charity?)

Depends on how well washed and dried the bottle-tops are I suppose.

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From: alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier]
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Stamp Question
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:22:09 GMT
Reply-To: alan@essex.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Essex Computing Service, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK

Also sprach rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
}|> With the single market, we'll all have to use EC stamps, with Jacque Delors'
}|> head on it....and draw your own conclusions who is going to place his head
}|> there !
}
}This, even in jest (as it apparently is), is the sort of garbage that
}raises fumes from the head of the average TATSP Sun-writer, and makes
}still harder the business of getting a working EC going.

Unfortunately, the task of making sure we don't get a working EC going,
(or, if such a hideous beast must exist, that we are not part of it) is
not quite as easy as this may suggest.

But, if it were true, if would be an extremely good reason for such postings.


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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: What did Informix want to tell me?
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.101434.6490@onionsnatcorp.ox.ac.uk> dominic@natcorp.ox.ac.uk (Dominic Dunlop) writes:
>Yesterday, I got an envelope posted in Twickenham by Informix on
>Monday.  Pity it was empty.  It looked like a mail shot.  Does anybody
>know what should have been in it?  (Or is it part of some fiendishly
>clever tease?)

It was a bold new move to do away with the hype in their mailshot.  B^> B^>

Damon
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From: mt@kram.demon.co.uk (Mark Turner)
Subject: Re: humor in England 
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:08:37 +0000

In article <BxLt2v.DM3@brunel.ac.uk> Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk writes:
>Who on earth puts GRAVY on their chips, its either vinegar or
>nothing.

No, no, no.... you need both! There's an art to getting the balance
just right.

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From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: change. Time for a
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:39:04 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Pig Heaven, Coventry, UK

In article <1992Nov10.201712.16445@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.134600.15562@x.co.uk> clive@x.co.uk (Clive Feather) writes:
>[on proposed "graduate tax"]
>>
>>A system rather like that operates in Germany. It has one additional
>>interesting twist: if you get a First, the increased tax/NI is smaller -
>>an incentive to really work !
>
>How revoltingly elitist can you get?  Is this really true?

Nothing elitist about getting a First. Means you've worked hard for it.
If you work hard, then you reap the benefits. It's that simple. I can
say that knowing for a fact that I won't get a first. But with the course
I'm on, if you don't get a first, chances are you won't get a job. So
I need all the incentive I can get. The Germany way would make me want
even more to work harder. 

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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: change. Time for a
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:34:11 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Nov5.121056.2618@lsl.co.uk> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>
>The latter I feel. One of my more extreme views which gets people accusing me
>of being right wing (ho ho) is that the majority of people are too stupid to
>vote correctly. That doesn't mean they should all vote Green/Labour/Paddy
>Ashdown etc, it does mean they should think before they vote.

This advice applies to the Labour party during the Maastricht debate.  In
fact, I find the whole history of British politics on Europe a little
amusing.  It was originally the Conservatives, under Edward Heath, who
got us into the E.C., or Common Market as it was then.  By the time of
Margaret Thatcher, it was the Conservatives who were very opposed to U.K.
involvement in Europe, and the Labour party who wanted more European
involvement in the U.K., partly because it looked like the only chance
they had of getting some power in this country.  So now we have John Major,
who being temporary president of the E.C. has to look pro-European, so he
is all in favour of the Maastricht Treaty.  And the Labour party, who can't
possibly vote for anything if the Conservatives are in favour of it, had
to apologise to the rest of the European socialists for voting against it,
and try to pretend that the debate was not really about Maastricht but
about the government.  And having voted against it, and lost, they then
complain when the government decides to delay its implementation - they
want something they voted against brought into effect immediately.

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From: bob@black.ox.ac.uk (Bob Douglas)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: How do you claim?
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:39:13 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
Originator: bob@black

In article <1992Nov11.184649.12031@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>A car went into the back of our car over the weekend. The person
>at fault admitted guilt and supplied names and addresses. He had
>a company car and company insurance. We have 3rd party fire and
>theft, plus loss recovery.
>
>The question is, what can I claim for and how to go about it?
>Is it better to let my insurance company approach the other
>insurance company? Will it affect my no-claims bonus? Would it
>be quicker to approach the company that owns the car?
>
>Should I get the car fixed (the back bumper and boot is caved in,
>the car is a 1983 Audi 80) and present the bill, or should I get
>an estimate, get the money then get it fixed? During the time
>the car is away for repair, it means my wife cannot take the kids
>to playgroup - can I claim for a hired car to cover that?
>
>--
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>Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889

Bad look. This has also happened to me; the stuff below is based on my
experience (but I was comprehensively insured, so repair (replacement,
in my case) of the car was taken care of by my insurers). Don't expect
anything to happen quickly. Three to six months, if you're lucky!

You can claim from the other driver's insurers for uninsured losses.
This includes any losses you incur as a result of the accident which
are not covered by your own insurance. E.g.

    personal damages, injuries, ambulance fees, hospital etc
    repair of car
    damage to or loss of car contents
    cost of hiring a car while yours is fixed
    loss of no-claims bonus

Some insurers provide legal cover for going about this (you pay a permium
for this of course, but it's often worth it if you go for just third party
fire and theft insurance; if you haven't done this, think about it for
next time). If they don't, you (probably) will have to employ your own
solicitor. I don't know if you can reasonably expect to recover his fees
as an uninsured loss. But talk to your insurers in the first instance.

BTW I'm not a legal or insurance person, so confirm the above with
someone who is.
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From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: humor in England
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:43:09 GMT

In article <GRC.92Nov13113650@bhars109.stl.stc.co.uk> grc@stl.stc.co.uk (Gary Cook) writes:
>In article <721669346snx@klaatu.demon.co.uk> steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft) writes:
>
>>
>>   battered. Don't seem to see these outside Yorkshire.  Same with scraps.
>>   Ask for 'scraps' outside Yorkshire and you get puzzled looks.  Or a fight 
>>
>>   Steve
>>   |  Steve Loft                                  steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk   |
>>   |  Doncaster,                                                             |
>>   |  South Yorks.                                                           |
>>
>>
>
>I used to get scraps in Grimsby ... that's outside Yorkshire ! Not the
>fighting type, but the scraps of batter from the fish ..... can't get 
>them in Essex, can't get anything half-decent in Essex other than
>curry sauce (and that's only very occasionally).
>
>Oh what I'd do for decent chips-n-gravy.

Wot-a-pity that I can't advertise the new ExNet service, netiquette
being what it is...  Electronic Chips-n-Gravy (TM) by UUCP
(Unix-to-Unix Chips-n-Peas) using the `g' (with-Gravy) protocol.  That
is what is known in the trade as a `feed'!

B^>

Damon
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From: paul@egh-qc.uucp (Paul Hay)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: joystick for an acorn electron
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:14:46 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Surgical Materials Testing Lab (SMTL)


Has anyone got a joystick which they would like to sell that is 
compatible with an acorn electron that is about 7 years old.
Failing that has anyone any information on connecting any currently
available joysticks to this piece of equipment.

Paul.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: humor in England
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:33:36 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <BxGnLI.L1x@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ljp@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Lloyd) writes:

>Ahh Warrington isn't that the land of the 'Meat and Potatoe Pie'.
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