From: erica@cc.gatech.edu (Erica Liebman Sadun)
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai (VERY LONG!)
Keywords: Sedai, Templar, Masonry, Should be doing Work.  Must Study
Reply-To: erica@cc.gatech.edu (Erica Liebman Sadun)
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:24:13 GMT

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-------------------THE SUBJECT LINE THAT WOULD NOT DIE----------------------
So, I wanted to know about what was going on in conversations about the 
wheel of time books.  Well, BOY! did I ever find out.  First, I say a big
thanks to all who sent me mail.  Here's the result. 

WARNING: Most of this is unoriginal. Much is from mail or from past news
postings.  I haven't tried to give credit other than to say most of it isn't
mine because a lot of it arrived without associated authors.  Some of it is mine, though, in particular the family trees and Midrash. I also picked out
of the books some previously un"published" prophecies.

Please feel free to send me updates/corrections at erica@cc.gatech.edu, but
please say in your subject line that the letter is in reference to this
(horrendously long) article. I'll update and repost in a week or two. 
However, please post to the group first and foremost!

Erica Sadun
erica@cc.gatech.edu

p.s. please do not include this whole article in replies!  Trim to the
important areas.

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......................................................ARTHUR & THE HOLY GRAIL

	* MORRAINE OR MORGASE = MORGAINNE/MORGAN DE FAY
	* TIGRAINE = YGRAINNE
	* EGWENE = GUENEVERE
	* ARTUR = ARTHUR
	* CALLINDOR = SWORD IN STONE
	* GALAD = GALAHAD
	* GAWYN = GAWAIN
	* GREEN MAN = GREEN KNIGHT
	* SA'ANGREAL = HOLY BLOOD and HOLY GRAIL
	* WOUND IN SIDE = FISHER KING (via BIBLE)
	* NYNAEVE = NYVIAN/VIVIAN/NEMISIS OF MERLIN
	* PERRIN = PARCIVAL
	* MERRILIN = MERLIN
	* LAN = LANCELOT
	
....................................................WHO'S WHO IN THE FAMILIES



    A N D O R S                              D A M O D R E D S/
   (rumored to have aiel blood)              C A I R H E I N
   -=----------------------                  +-----------=LAMAN
   | |                    |                  |           =MORRAINE
   | LUC*  (JANDUIN) -+- TIGRAINE m       TAIRRINGAIL    =BARTHANES
   |       clan chief | (Daughter Heir      (heir?)
   |       of Taardad |  of Andor ---+---------+
   |                  |  AKA SHAIEL  |         |
   |                  |              |         |
   |                  |         GALADEDRID     |
   |	            RAND                       |
   |	                                       |
 MORGASE------------------------+--------------+
                                |
                              GAWYN
                                &
                              ELAYNE**
			      (Daughter Heir of
			      Andor)

                         M A L K I E R I
	 ---------------------------------------------
  	 |                                           |
	LAIN m. BREYAN allied with COWAN         AL'AKIR m. EL'LEANNA
	    |                                             |
	   LUC                                           LAN

* Merges with ISAM, son of BREYAN	
** Possibly bastard daughter of THOM MERILLAN
= Exact links unknown
NOTE : RAND is not up for the throne of Cairhein although Gawyn or Elayne
       might be

.............................................WHO'S WHO IN THE RECENT & FAR PAST

RAND: LEWS THERIN
MATRIM: AEMON RED EAGLE
PERRIN: Some guy who has a golden helm (See book 3, the scene where he
	is forced to look at himself during a dream into a mirror).
ELAYNE: Almost certainly that "straw-haired wench" ILYENA
ELYAS: really JAIN FARSTRIDER
THOM MERILLAN: Father of ELAYNE?  Certainly ex-lover of MORGASE
GREEN MAN: a NYM, see TSR, Rhuidean sequence.

...................................................................RUMOR MILL

These are neat ideas brought up by different people via mail or news.

* Is MORRAINE a dark friend, perhaps forced to be so by Black Ajah 
	Ceremonies
* Does SUIAN SANCHE stays stilled, and does LOGAIN?
* Is ELAIDA not MORRAINE the one turned dark friend
* Does EGWENE becomes Amarylin without taking the oath, very soon now, green
	ajah, with GAWYN her bonded warder
* Will LOGAIN be the next to draw Callandar?
* Will those damn bracelets dropped into the ocean be used next on PERRIN?
* Is MAT's supposed to get tortured by the Sianchin, his only escape that
	he is immune to the one power and hence the damane?
* Are the Sianchin going to retake the tower of GHENJEI as their right by
	heritage of the son of ARTUR PENDRAG?  Will this cause MAT to
	lose his eye?
* Is that damn hummable song of the Tinkers the song of the Nims?

.....................................................................FORSAKEN

Here is a complete list of the forsaken and their known activities/whereabouts
from a news article by Dave Knott (not Knot nor Not).  Since I am actually
keeping this article for my records, I thought I'd just stick this in.

Aginor    - Dead. Killed by Rand at the Eye of the World.
Asmodean  - Captured by Rand at Rhuidean. Partially shielded from Saidin.
            Connection to Dark One is severed.
            Currently acting as Rand's mentor in channeling.
Balthamel - Dead. Killed by the Green Man at the Eye of the World.
Be'lal    - Dead. Killed by Moiraine in the Stone of Tear
            AKA: High Lord Samon of Tear
Demandred - Unknown
Graendal  - Unknown
Ishamael  - Presumed dead (Highly unlikely).
            Supposedly killed by Rand in the Stone of Tear
            Real name: Beidomon
            AKA: Ba'alzamon?
Lanfear   - Active. Watching over Rand and interefering a lot.
            Has her own agenda. Seeks to overthrow Forsaken and Shai'tan!
            Real name: Mierin
            AKA: Selene
Mesaana   - Unknown
Moghedien - Beaten up my Nynaeve in Tanchico.
            May have escaped by completely moving into Tel'aran'rhiod.
            Brigette mentions that she is the most powerful Forsaken in
            the world of dreams and it is supposed to be possible to move
            your entire physical body into there.
Rahvin    - In Caemlyn. High adviser and lover(?) to Queen Morgase.
            AKA: Gaebril
Sammael   - In Illian. High ranking lord there.
Semirhage - Unknown

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..............................................................EGWENE's DREAMS
(TDR, Paperback P. 290) "Perrin with a falcon on his shoulder, and Perrin
with a hawk.  Only the hawk held a leash in her talsons--Egwene was somehow
convinced both hawk and falcon were female--and the hawk was trying to fasten
it around Perrin's neck  That made her shiver now; she did not like dreams
about leashes.  And that dream of Perrin--with a beard!--leading a huge pack
of wolves that stretched as far as the eye could see.  Those about Mat had
been even nastier.  Mat, placing his own left eye on a balance scale.  Mat,
hanging by his neck from a tree limb.  There had been a dream of Mat and
Seanchan, too, but she was willing to dismiss that as a nightmare.  It had
to have been just a nightmare.  Just like the one about Mat speaking
the Old Tongue.  That had to come from what she had heard during his
healing."
(???) "Rand as tall as a mountain, walking through cities, crushing buildings
beneath his feet, with screaming people like ants fleeing from him.  Rand
in chains, and it was he who was screaming.  Rand building a wall with
him on one side and her on the other, her and Elayne and others she
could not make out. "It has to be done," he was saying as he piled up
stones.  "I'll not let you stop me now."  His were not the only
nightmares.  She had dreamed of Aiel fighting each other, killing
each other, even throwing away their weapons and running as if they
had gone mad. Mat wrestling with a Seanchan woman who tied an invisible
leash to him.  A wolf--she was sure it was Perrin, though--fighting a
man whose face kept changing.  Galad wrapping himself in white as
though putting on his own shroud, and Gawyn with eyes full of pain
and hatred."

Midrash:
Its clear that Faile is the falcon on Perrin's shoulders.  I believe that
Bayle Domon will fail to dispose of the evil bracelet/necklet set and they
will be used against Perrin.  Perrin has already led the wolves at least once.
Perrin, of course, has already fought and may have killed Luc/Isam.
Mat, poor guy but true Ta'Veren, is likely to lose one of his eyes this
time 'round.  He's already been hanged, but looks like the Seanchan will
torture him first physically and then by making him marry the Empress's 
daughter. The leash is most likely marriage.It looks like Rand is going
to continue making little messes here and there, blowing things up
(like destroying the fortress at Tear) and at one point become a prisoner.
Rand's wall sounds like the difference between Saidin and Saidar, although
I suspect that the balance at the end of the cycle will deprive the female
half of the one-power and restore it to the guys.   The Aiel fight/non-fight
is of course the reunion with the Tinks and the way of the leaf.  Galad
condemns himself by becoming a white cloak and Gawyn, woefully hurt, becomes
Egwene's warder.

...............................................................MIN'S VIEWINGS

LAN:  Seven ruined Towers/A babe in a cradle holding a sword
Midrash: glimpses into his past

THOM: A man--not him--juggling fire/The White Tower
Midrash: he's still hung up about Owen

PERRIN: A wolf/A broken crown/Trees flowering around him/
      An Aielman and a cage/A Tuatha'an with a sword/
      A falcon and a hawk, perching on his shoulders, both female.
Midrash: He's a wolf, hanging around in Manatherin the land of broken
	crowns, he's going after slayer to restore the trees to Manatherin,
	he already released the Aieldude, no clue about the tinker,
	the falcon is Faile, the hawk is ?Berelain?

MAT: A red eagle/A eye on a balance scale/A dagger with a ruby/A horn/
	A laughing face
Midrash: Aemon==Red Eagle. He's going to lose an eye. We've seen the dagger,
	he's blown the horn.  The laughing face seems like he won't totally
	be depressed by the ending as he is the trickster.
ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS:   To marry the Daughter of the Nine moons/To die and live again, and live once more a part of what was/To give up half the light of the world to save the world.
Midrash:He's going to marry the Empress's daughter.  He already had CPR from
	Rand and died and lived again, but now he is remembering his past 
	life as Aemon. He gave up healing from the saidar/Aes Sedai one power,
	but not the other half.  His immunity will help save the world.
WISHES GRANTED:  Memory restored/To be free of Aes Sedai and the power/Away and back to Rhuidean
Midrash:ALL his memory including his life as Aemon is restored. He is only free
	from the female half of the one power.  He gets back to Rhuidean, but
	is strangled to death.

RAND
      A sword that isn't a sword: CALLENDOR
      A golden crown of laurel leaves: KINGING
      A beggars staff: WHERE HE CAME FROM OR WHERE HE MAY END UP
      Him pouring water on the ground: AIEL WASTE/RAIN
      Three woman standing over a funeral bier with him on it: 
      	ELAYNE, MIN and AVIENDHA
      A bloody hand and a white hot iron: YUCK!
      Black rock wet with blood: "His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,
      	washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation" (p.71 TSR)
ELAYNE The Rose Crown of Andor: DUH/
      A severed hand, not hers: Yuck again, (see above)

EWGWENE: A white flame ?Amarylindom?

LOGAIN A halo of gold and blue, signifying glory to come.  
Midrash: he runs of with Siuan to have fun.

GAWYN A heron marked sword, his or threatening/
      His banner with a field of green rather than white/
      Either breaking Egwene's neck or kneeling to her
Midrash: He becomes Egwene's warder, she is of the green Ajah.  They are
	lovers with normal fights.  He's fighting in master-class competition.

.............................................................VARIOUS PROPHECIES
      Twice and twice shall he be marked,
      twice to live, and twice to die,
      Once the heron to set his path. : First branding his hand
      Twice the heron, to name him true. : Second branding his other hand
      Once the Dragon for remembrance lost. : Normal Going through Rhuidean
      Twice the Dragon for the price he must pay. : His second dragon forearm

      Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed. :Beats me
      Once for mourning, once for birth.
      Red on black, the Dragon's blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.
      In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.


      Into the heart he thrusts his sword, : The sword into the ground at Tear
      into the heart, to hold their hearts. : "better behave boys & girls"
      Who draws it out shall follow after, : Logain
      What hand can grasp that fearful blade? : only another channeler.

      Power of the Shadow made human flesh,
      wakened to turmoil, stife and ruin. :???
      The Reborn One,  marked and bleeding, :Rand, one of his bleedings
      dances the sword in dreams and mist, :fights in the dream world too
      chains the Shadowsworn to his will, :uses the one-power
      from the city, lost and forsaken, :from Rhuidean
      leads the spears to war once more, :leads the Aiel
      breaks the spears and makes them see, :but makes 'em tinks
      truth long hidden in the ancient dream. :the truth is the way of the leaf

      The stone that never falls will fall to announce his coming. 
      Of the blood, but not raised by the blood, he will come from Rhuidean
      at dawn, and tie you together with bonds you cannot break.  He will 
      take you back, and he will destroy you.
Midrash: The stone is the stone of tear.  He is of the blood of Aiel but raised
   by Tam.  He comes back from Rhuidean at dawn and unites the Aiel. He
   will take 'em back to the time of the true Jenn Aiel and will destroy the
   silly notions which don't go along with the way of the leaf.

.............................................................THE DARK PROPHECY
      Daughter of the Night, she walks again.
      The ancient war, she yet fights
      Her new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die, yet serve still.
      Who shall stand against her coming?
      The Shining Walls shall kneel.
      Blood feeds blood.
      Blood calls blood.
      Blood is, and blood was, and blood shall ever be.

Midrash: LanFEAR, LanFEAR. LanFEAR.  She's the one who killed the novice, 
   pretended to be Else, etc.  She is probably Elaida's chief advisor.
	
      The man who channels stands alone.
      He gives his friends for sacrifice.
      Two roads before him, one to death beyond dying, one to life eternal.
      Which will he choose?  Which will he choose?
      What hand shelters?  What hand slays?
Midrash: Rand has a little problem with channelling odor.  He's also probably
   going to lose a hand.

      Luc came to the Mountains of Dhoom.
      Isam waited in the high passes.
      The hunt is now begun. The Shadow's hounds now course, and kill.
      One did live, and one did die, but both are.
      The Time of Change has come.
Midrash: Luc killed by Isam and his body taken over.  He is now Slayer.  

      The Watchers wait on Toman's Head.
      The seed of the Hammer burns the ancient tree.
      Death shall sow, and summer burn, before the Great Lord comes.
      Death shall reap, and bodies fail, before the Great Lord comes.
      Now the Great Lord comes.
Midrash:  The hammer is Perrin.  The great lord coming is Slayer.

.......................................................MORRAINE IN CONVERSATION
He has yet to break the nations, or shatter the world.  Even scholars
who have studied the Prophecies for their entire lives do not know how
to interpret them all.  What does it mean that he shall 'slay his people
with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf'?  What does it
mean that he 'shall bind the nine moons to serve him'? Yet these are
given equal weight with Callandor in the Cycle. There are others.
What 'wound of madness and cutting of hope' has he healed?  What chains
has he broken, and who put into chains?
Midrash: Nations are breaking left and right already.  Rand is going to
way-of-leaf the Aiel until it Tinks them.  He'll bind the nine-moons by
defeating the Seanchin.  The chains are those of the damani.

................................................................PERRIN, DREAMS
'Mat naked and bound snarling; an odd spear with a black shaft had been 
thrust across his back behind his elbows, and a silver medallion, a fox head, 
hung on his chest'.
	Mat caught by the Seanchin.  Probably his wedding night.
'Egwene stood among a crowd of women, fear in her eyes; slowly the women knelt around her. ...'
	Amarilyn
'Perrine thought it was Rand. He wore rags and a rough cloak, and a bandage
covered his eyes.'
	Beggering, see above Min's view on Rand


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