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From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:58:41 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In <C1J0sq.8uF@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) wrote:
>raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
>
>>I am saying you are far more creative and intrigant than I was. It will be
>>a great loss to alt.conspiracy if you don't subscribe.
>
>Thanks. I only try to show my ability here so that someone somewhere will think
>that I am smart and give me a job. "Conspiracy"? well if it means money.
>Any job offer please?
>

Don't thank me, thank the Party which has trained you to be so smart.
As for getting a job, with so many ex-Soviet KGB officials pouring out
to find employment, I am not sure if it means a lot of money for people
like you. Well, good luck with your master hunt.
-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shaohua@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Zhu Jinyu
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:51:48 GMT
Reply-To: shaohua@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: pean.chemeng.ed.ac.uk

I am looking for my classmate who graduated from Electrical Engineering Department of Zhejiang University, at Hangzhou, in 1984 and worked in an institute in Beijing. He seems in Australia. I will be grateful if anyone can give me some information about him.

Happy Chinese News Year!

Shaohua
Email: shaohua@chemeng.ed.ac.uk
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35257 soc.culture.taiwan:17581 soc.culture.hongkong:17516
From: wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:02:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Yuanhui Liu (liuyh@vis.toronto.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan27.162031.1443@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
: >In article <1993Jan27.150329.29166@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang) writes:
: >>Great Era (b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk) wrote:
: >>
: >>: Today is the 100th birthday of Madam Sun (Sun, Soong Ching Ling).
: >>
: >>
: >>: Great Era.
: >>
: >>Great lady.
: >
: >Why?

: because she's probably among the very few in both KMT and CCP continue
: to follow Dr. Sun's guidelines after his death, both KMT and CCP brasses
: should ashamed of their infighting and power grabbing since then.  

She's probably the only person who really understands Dr. Sun's 
theory and hold her life to defend/apply it, without personal interest.

--wang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34996 soc.culture.indian:44990
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:06:34 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <35395@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU> dchacko@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Daniel Chacko) writes:
>   It is an interesting thought that China "sells" weapons to merely feed 
>its people. Are you sure it doesnt have anything to do with Mao's philosophy
>of violently spreading communism?

Actually, the reason China sells weapons has more to do with
capitalism than with communism.

In the past 15 years, the defense budget has been drastically cut (by
more than a third I think) so that more money can be devoted to social
spending.  To keep the military happy, the Central Government allows
the military to run its own factories and keep any profits which
accrue from weapons exports.  


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:56:41 GMT

In article <C19Kxn.AD7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hay36859@dcl-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Haidong Anthony Ye) writes:
>Don't know about other people, but I just went back to Beijing couple
>weeks ago, and most profs and teachers in the university I know of can 
>make RMB 600-800, and engineers makes even more, perhaps RMB 1,000/month
>Of course, most of the money comes from "the second profession", the
>standard salary is still around RMB 200/month
The [very] few that have returned from positions abroad :-)
At my US university you could easily tell apart the scholars would were
returning and those planning to stay in the US.  The returners lived
very frugally because they wanted to save their money and be rich in China.
[ Except for the early 1980's, no one goes back to stay in China anymore. ]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune)
Subject: Dr. Robert Graham and the "super babies"
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:24:18 GMT


I was watching T.V. and saw a small segment which talked
about a particular genetics professor, Dr. Robert Graham
who collects sperm from Nobel prize winners and other
Geniuses and allows women who want super babies to use
the sperms he collected.

So far his program has been extremely successful.  Some
of the babies he had produced using these sperms
are already about 10 years old now and a large number of
them are Geniuses.

I wonder if China has a similiar program set up to create
super babies?  I think this is very important in the 
long term strategic sense for a country's future.  Because
if you look at history you will see that just a handful
of geniuses can drive and change the course of an entire
nation's history.

Just think about it.  Why do you think Europe had managed to
master technology whereas all of the other civilizations had
not until very recently?  I think it had a lot to do with
the few geniuses of Europe such as Pascal, Newton, Liebnetz, etc.
just to name a few.

I know that China has a lot of very smart people.  But I wonder
if China has ever produced any spectacular geniuses comparable
to the geniuses of Europe?  My guess is no.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:37:55 GMT

In article <C1G5xv.DKL@cs.psu.edu> mtang@black.crayola.cs.psu.edu (Mingqing Tang) writes:
>Some jerk in the network writes:
Dalia lama had a British tutor when he was a baby god, he was stuffed with
anti-china sentment by the Brits. That tutor wrote a lot of anti-China
articles.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:36:57 CST
From: Phil <U53601@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: looking for classmate
 <QLONG.93Jan20211947@themis.cs.umass.edu>

In article <QLONG.93Jan20211947@themis.cs.umass.edu>, qlong@themis.cs.umass.edu
(Qiegang Long) says:
>
>On 21 Jan 93 00:25:35 GMT, kewei@cs.sfu.ca (Kewei Fang) wrote(>):
>>
>> Mr. Shusheng Wang in Dept. of Biology , Ohio State Univ. for Ph.D,
>> Please reply this email.
>
>I am sure you can easily use gopher to netfind him with such detailed
>information.
>

I think your suggestion is helpful, but gopher is still sort of experimental
and you simply can't count on it. It has too much to be added on.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:07:15 GMT

raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:

>The subject line is the headline of the article in AW&ST. Due to the
>"excellent co-operation" granted to Hughes, they now have debris, telemetry
>and photographic evidence. However, by some standard, this is still not much,
>as even news video tapes can be doctored, so what's the big deal about some
>burnt and charred debris, fuzzy pictures, and error-prone telemetry data
>media.

Are you saying that there are still something in those evidence which cannot
prove that this problem is only caused by Chinese? I also suspect why they
are so "co-operative" and are those data real?

>-- 
>Just call me `Man'. 
>"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
>raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Unification of Taiwan and Mainland
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C1Dy35.CBs@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>, e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu) writes...
>Dr. Sun was a great man, he overthraw Qing dynasty which was one man above
>million people. But CCP is not anymore. offcourse you may say Mr. Deng is
>the godfather of communist, but whatever CCP does, it at least keeps 
>saying that is for people. economists estimate china will keep 7-10% rate
>increase within 20 years. I am fraid capitalism would not be better, maybe 
>worse such as what happens in East Europe and Soviet Union. why do we take
>the risk????? Let us give CCP 20 years to modernlize china. By the way,
>KMT is a dictator too, it just begin to change------a hooker is getting
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>married!!!!!

WRONG!!!
Please be noted KMT no longer has the power to dictate people. It has been
changing since 1949, maybe with a slow pace but nevertheless it was changing.
Most importantly, some people in Taiwan, who were once described by KMT as
mob, destroyer of social order and public safety,who put the happiness of people
and economical growth of Taiwan in jeopardy and were hated by the majority who
were well-trained by KMT's propaganda, insisted Taiwan should be improved 
faster and KMT should give up dictatorship. Many of them have been jailed.
Many unpleasant incidents have happened. But at last they won and KMT gave up
dictatorship. I've seen many brave people seeking similar process in mainland
such as TAM incident. And now, you act just like what the propagada-dumpped 
majority in Taiwan have done during the unstable period of Democratic 
transition. When Democracy really come , I am sure you will change your mind.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:20:43 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In <1993Jan26.151447.4290@arizona.edu>,
in reference to <1993Jan26.110215.4287@arizona.edu>,
I, raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) stressed:
|Please keep one point clear, I, Raymond Man, love to, but cannot claim
|anything written on the subject mine. It is absolutely obvious that I
|copied everything from Aviation Week & Space Technology, without the
|magazine's authorization.

This was done in response to <2563@blue.cis.pitt.edu> in which
yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) excerpted from <1993Jan26.151447.4290@arizona.edu>
as if I, raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man), wrote it and that
is incorrect and confusing.

Now, in <2633@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) wrote:
>I believe what you did, and I did the same (I can't quote exactly since
>the paper is in Chinese and I throw away after read).  Let's quote/
>praise/criticize news/paper/article - only - and emotionally - but leave
>personal out.

I did not ask yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding), or anyone, to believe me. It was
just a simple and plain fact that I copied everything. It is totally
obvious to the whole net. Other than the possiblilty of typos, everything
on the subject that I typed in <1993Jan26.151447.4290@arizona.edu> is
exactly what AW&ST has printed and this fact is readily verifiable. I did
not write from memory nor interjected anything on the subject in
<1993Jan26.151447.4290@arizona.edu> and, that, I believe is very different
from what yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) did in <2633@blue.cis.pitt.edu>.


"Things must be differentiated, only then can knowledge be acquired"
                                   -- The Great Learning (Da Xue) --

-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu)
Subject: Re: Unification of Taiwan and Mainland
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:39:13 GMT

e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu) writes:

>Some one may fool some people all the time, some one may fool all the people 
>some the time, but no one can fool all the people all the time. No matter KMT
>or CCP, they are changing, they must!! CCP gave up the policy to attack Taiwan
>ten years ago, KMT gave up a couple of years. they have no other choice. now 
>KMT is a little bit stubborn on mainland's policy, actually stubborn like
>donkey. KMT just want to save its face. Considering this, I rather choose CCP
>which know when it should change.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Insiders 1 of 4
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:33:38 GMT

From ulowell!das.wang.com!uunet!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news-is-not-mail Sat Jan 23 19:20:40 EST 1993
Article: 21494 of alt.conspiracy
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Future
Date: 29 Jan 93 02:25:21 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <93028.153357YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:
>John, I hope that you can go to the countryside of China, to
>ask the people there what they want. Being in US, yo will
>never understand Chinese people. You are judging everything
>based on the US VALUE STANDARD!

Then please tell John what you know about the countryside of China. I
don't think it appropriate to shup up others only because you assume
they don't know what you don't necessarily know either.

Even John is judging based on a different value standard from us, what is wrong
with that? Dr. Jonny (? James, is that right? or Shi Jin?) said: "Stone from
other hills, can be used to polish a piece of jade". Criticism, or "trashing",
does not hurt, but pushes one better. Through such exchange of opinions,
we may improve our own value standard, should we?
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
From: myang@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Ming the Merciless)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: PARTRIOTS FOR TAIWAN
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:34:22 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

>Article 78063 of soc.culture.china:
>From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
>>1) UN had always acted on the interests of the US and NATO.  (few exceptions)
>>2) Taiwan was recognized as the offical government of China until 1971, when
Thanks for the brief history lesson. 


>>4) Taiwan has the option to declare independence from China and be officially
>> recognized by UN.
<<< important stuff deleted>>
>Also, the PRC's Security Council veto means that if the United States
>chooses to defend Taiwan from a military attack, it must do so without
>any sort of U.N. authorization.
It was to my understanding that the situation regarding to Taiwan being 
accepted to the UN is considered as "standard procedure".  And in a standard
procedure, the permanent members of the Security Council need not be unanimous.
Also, the motion to defend would be ROT from a military attack is also
considered as "standard Procedure".  This "standard procedure" came into 
effect since the Korean War issue.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China's GNP
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:44:01 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1jo4c9INNd9o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>  (Guo Wei) writes:

>interesting point is that it gives an estimate of China's real GNP per capita
>by Korea government, which is very close to my previous posted estimate ($1,0
>00 to $2,000)
>
You need to explain how did you come up that figure. Basaed on what?
What formula, factors support your arguement?

If the CCP gave a number, that should be correct. No single country is
forced to come up that number. There are common formula and factors used
to compute the GNP. The government gave the number should have details.
Counting on no tax policy, indeed the China GNP should be higher than
that number. But, there is no way to come up severl times higher, based
on the US tax rate 30% higher may be.

>     China's official per capita GNP was $380 last year, but the Korean
>government estimates it at around $1,100, similar to Korea's level in the late
>1970s.(Yonhap)
>.
The same level was referred to the sistuation of Taiwan in 60s. That is why
many people like to say that the mainland is behind Taiwan for 30 years.
And it explains everything. The college graduates made NT$1800 in 60s. That
was about U$45 (rate 1:40). Today's mainland, the new graduates make less than
RMB200, is in the same level. The new graduates in computer eng. make 
NTS40,000 today, it is equivalent to U$1600. The new graduate news reporters
make more than that number, US2000. 

The GNP reflects the purchasing power and living standard of that nation.
While Taiwan was at U$400, the foreign investors poured money in. Nowadays,
the foreign investors left and Taiwan has become the 3rd investor in mainland.
The GNP really reflects a nation economy, and business activities.
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:18:49 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In following up to my article <1993Jan26.172255.4291@arizona.edu>,
zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>My point was: don't take the Subject too seriously, when there are so many
>factors involved. I later found, from your response to Mr. Ding, we quite
>agreed with each other on this.

Putting me in the same league as his comradeship and Mr. Ding is too great
a compliment that I dare not assume. Let's just say that his thinking is
well studied and understood by this humble Man.

>Does this mean that the subject line is not conclusive, since not many
>evidences could be found under the circumstances?

The subject line is the headline of the article in AW&ST. Due to the
"excellent co-operation" granted to Hughes, they now have debris, telemetry
and photographic evidence. However, by some standard, this is still not much,
as even news video tapes can be doctored, so what's the big deal about some
burnt and charred debris, fuzzy pictures, and error-prone telemetry data
media.

>>Of course, there is still nothing to worry about. Even now, who can
>>say the causalty figure of only 23 people is false?
>
>Are you refering to the tragedy in Guilin?  So, after all, guesses,
>instead of conclusions, could have been made in both cases. You have 
>the right to suspect as I do, but the conclusions may simply be 
>untrue as mine. At least the article didn't show us a strong evidence
>to conclude, after the satellite had been sent into the normal orbit
>but missed later on. Judgements go to listeners.

I was referring to a 3.5 year old joke, for the sake of the sense of humor 
umimpaired, so don't worry about it. Let's just say the Great Wheel of
History will only turn forward and, for the good of the "many", the murky
past should remain just that.
-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jwang@rad.rpslmc.edu (jinzhao wang)
Subject: Re: Help on English translation of...
Reply-To: jwang@rad.rpslmc.edu
Organization: Rush Presbyterian-St. Lukes Medical Center, Chicago IL 60612
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:08:10 GMT

> 
> Guo2 Ji4 Shou3 Chuang4    (first inventor (maker) worldwide???)
> Du2 Jia1 Sheng1 Chan3     (exclusive manufacturer ???

How about claim that you have a worldwide patent on the product! 
Otherwise, you can't claim you are the first inventor, nor the exclusive manufacturer.
From: guowei@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Guo Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,
Subject: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: 22 Jan 1993 06:27:13 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: world
Reply-To: guowei@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Guo Wei)
NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu
Originator: guowei@doc.cc.utexas.edu

     The following article appeared on The Korea Herald, January 7, 1993. One
interesting point is that it gives an estimate of China's real GNP per capita
by Korea government, which is very close to my previous posted estimate ($1,0
00 to $2,000)

	   CHINA'S ECONOMIC TAKEOFF WORRIES BUSINESS LEADERS

     Korean business leaders are increasingly worried by China's economic
takeoff, noting that the Chinese economy has grown faster and started to 
inflict a heavier impact on the Korean economy, than they expected earlier.

     "China's rapid economic growth is having a heavy impact on the Korean
economy, threatening the survival of medium- and small-sized companies here,"
Choi Tai-sup, president of Hankuk Glass Industry Co., told a leadship meeting
of the Federation of Korean Industirs (FKI) Tuesday.

     "All of the Chinese businessmen I meet say they regard Korea as the most
promising market for their exports," he said, adding that China is buying high-
quality heavy machinery to strengthen its manufacturing industry.

     "If China's manufacturing industry continued to develop at its current
speed, small Korea companies would be hit hard in the not-too-distant future,
he told the meeting.

     FKI Chairman Yoo Chang-soon said in August last year that the existence
of a "politically united China" would be a continous threat to the Korea economy

     Chon Dae-joo, chief of FKI's research division, told Tuesday's meeting that
if Korea's economy failed to grow more rapidly than China's economy over the 
next ten years, it would be dedeated.

     Yun Jong-yong, head of Samsung Electro_mechanics Co., told a U.S. newspaper
in November that if China achieved $4,000 per capita gross national product,
it would be able to attract advanced foreign manpower in earnest and its economy
would soon catch up with Korea's economy.

     China's official per capita GNP was $380 last year, but the Korean
government estimates it at around $1,100, similar to Korea's level in the late
1970s.(Yonhap)
.
From: chowdhur@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Akm Chowdhury (IE))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Airline Ticket
Date: 19 Jan 93 15:20:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, College of Engineering

Hi:

I have a airline ticket for sale. The trip has to be taken from Tampa

to Detroit to Indianapolis, however, it must be used on or before

January 25. If interested, please call me at (813)975-8121.

Peng.
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