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From: derrick@sdc.com (Derrick Davis)
Subject: Re: Riding Two on a CBR600F2
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:51:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep07.055833.6229@microsoft.com> chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
>;msbogd@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael S. Bogdanski) writes:
>;>Recently, I've carried a passenger on my '92 CBR600F2.  It seemed like a
>;>great idea until my crotch was smashed up against the gas tank while
>;>slowing and my privates were smashed, causing quite a bit of discomfort. 
>;>Also, I found that there was a tremendous extra load put on my arms while
>;>slowing down due to the increased weight from behind.  I weigh about 175lb
>;>and my passenger about 110lb.  Has anyone figured out a method for
>;>minimizing/eliminating these uncomfortable and painful encounters while
>;>carrying a passenger?
>
>The passenger should have hir arms around the driver and
>hands resting on the fuel tank.   I learned this the first 
>time I carried a passenger much heaver than me (like 200#)
>on my FZR -- every time we came to a stop, he'd push on my
>back with his hands, nicely squashing me into the tank...
>
>This probably only works with real sportbikes, but I'd
>guess it works with a GooF2 too (har har).
>
>---
>chris

That is an excellent solution that has worked for me.  

Here is a slighty odd method that I'm not even sure I understand.

My girlfriend somehow manages to place her hands on my thighs
while we ride.  I suppose she leans foward enough to not slide
off the back while the support from my thighs keeps her from
driving me into the tank.
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From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:23:33 GMT

daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:




>I think we must all admit that Harley Davidson mototcycles
>are the fashion rage in america today. I just posted a long
>article on the Neiman Marcus catalog listing for vintage harleys
>and I saw an add in the Boston Globe today for a fur lined motorcycle
>jacket illustrated with a helmet-less rider on a sportster.

>Tonight on the Boston Evening news carried a story on a 32 year old 
>man killed in a single vehicle motorcycle accident, apparently he lost 
>control of the bike while giving a friend a ride. The TV news crew
>showed the bike, it was a brand new 1200+ CC blue and cream HARLEY.

>Do you all think that it is possible that people are buying a Harley as their 
>first motorcycle because it is so fashionable, leaving the show room 
>with their first bike, which happens to be one of the largest fastest
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
depending on which model, it may not be the largest, (actually *I* think
the 1500cc  'Wing is bigger ...
For its size it's one of the slowest bikes one could buy. My Norton can run
rings around it.

>bikes you could ever start out on and getting killed?

>Being a poser is one thing but paying for it with your life is another.

>Flame away


>Dave
>DoD 1085

Actually, your point is well-taken that anyone can go out and buy any bike
with no training at all! From an H-D standpoint, this could mean a long, heavy
bike; from a Kawasaki standpoint this could mean a ZX-11 power bike. Yes,
image (posing), is everything (Agassi), but you can't legislate against 
stupidity (tho' they try...). 

S.
-- 
   #   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com                            #
    #   AMA #600897             "If you push something hard enough,   #
     #   DoD #0227               It will fall over."                 #
      #   INOA #8563                       -- Fudd's First Law      #
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Replacement Interval
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:53:28 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 29889@bnr.ca, mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:
>
>The question I have is why?  Does the styrofoam degrade?  Does the
>spooge coming out of your ears break down the chin straps?

1. Normal wear will somewhat depress the foam, robbing it of some of
its impact-absorbing capacity.

2.  State of the art in plastics/fiberglass/wonder_stuff, foam, design,
cooling, shape (both for impact and wind), etc., change enough in 5
years to warrant an upgrade.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: body leans & swerving (was The DoD ERC (was RSS))
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:17:17 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep29.223256.17386@colorado.edu>, laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
> when i did these at the ERC May 2 1992 (the day a certain
> denizen will NEVER live down). 

you mean the guy who DROPPED HIS PRETTY, NEW BMW k-bike in front of
a whole bunch of his friends?


-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
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From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Re: Info wanted -- Honda CM400
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:32:51 GMT

	I owned a CM400T in British Columbia, Canada, for a whole summer of
	mountain riding and enough highway and city to be a fair judge
	of the this bike.  I loved it!  It DID pull nicely in certain
	bands, and ran at 9000 RPM for hours on end with only gas stops in
	between runs.  It really 'sang' when it got warm.  I dunno, I
	really liked it, and it needed a tune-up too.


-- 
  Craig Hamm, Memorial University, | He's big, he's bad, and he's mad. If the
  Newfoundland,              ______| odds are stacked against you...if you 
  DoD #1500,                / have nowhere left to turn...he's your last
  1981 Maxim 650            | resort. A berserk one-man juggernaut of death
  __________________________| on the trail to hell and back. -The Liquidizer

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From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: body leans & swerving (was The DoD ERC (was RSS))
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:43:31 GMT

In article <LOTTO.92Sep29154657@laura.harvard.edu>, lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
> LOOK - When turning, you look through the turn.  This is called
> "visual directional control", you go where you look.  The same
> principle applies to swerving.  Look where you want to go.  This is
> often tougher than it sounds.

I'm ashamed to admit that I suffer from acute target fixation.  This malady
is most pronounced with potholes.  Go through 'em every time...

- Roid
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Two disks too many?
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:10:10 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I was working on a friend's bike today, and I noticed
the front brakes were glazed and not working as well
as they should.  Some spirited stops from the DoD 
nominal speed cured this problem, but I started thinking
of other bikes I have encountered with the same problem
(I seen this on about 4 bikes, always with dual front
disks)

I think what may be happening is that with dual disks,
some riders never use the front brakes hard enough to
keep the pads in proper condition.  In fact, these 
riders would probably be better off with single disks,
because one good brake is better than two glazed ones.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Cage VS Ducati ---> DUCATI WINS
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun.sheppamj.717880657
Organization: Clarkson University

Witnessed an accident few days ago:
All I actually saw was the aftermath which was a toyota celica (old)
with the front fender all smashed in which COULD NOT drive away from the
scene and a Ducati which had it's faring smashed but DID ride away!

chalk one up for motorcycles


--
| Matthew Sheppard  CLARKSON UNIVERSITY  sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu |
| I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.ANoN |
| I don't want a pickle. DoD#477 TEP#477 RIDE FREE (8^]..etcetera..    |
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From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Look at this! (was Re: Looking for a motorcycle)
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:16:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.212400.11319@pica.army.mil>, tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>) writes:
> ZING! Another RUB sucker calls a BMW a "Beemer".

That's what my neighbor the yuppie called his before he traded for a 944
(sans turbo).  He finally got rid of his wife's honda and got a mercedes 
190 something or other also.  His old station wagon remains because he needs 
something to pull his boat to the lake.  Everytime he brags about how much
money he makes I ask why he lives in a townhouse next door to poor old me...

- Roid
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:24:43 GMT

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>>The other problem is that with a .22, the other guy might die laughing
>>when you pull it out. And if you did shoot him, he'd probably get mad &
>>hurt you.

>Not true.  Every credible source says it hurts to get shot, whatever the
>caliber.  Guns ain't toys, not even .22s

It was _joke_ son, a _joke_ I say! While I'm no marksman, unlike the
original poster, I do know how to handle & shoot a gun, and you're quite
right, none of them should ever be treated as toys. Or as if they are
unloaded for that matter. And as you said, there are things worth
killing for, but a motorcycle isn't one of them.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stupid Questions
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:23:04 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1agfa1INN3hd@cs.utexas.edu, osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>
>Actually, I like to think of it as "Toxic Waste Green"
>as opposed to the "Baby-Shit Green" that Kawasaki likes
>to use.  :)

"Nice car.  Kind of a cross between piss yellow and puke green, huh?"

Name the movie and scene.

ObMoto:  There were no motorcycles in this movie.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Why Aerostitch instead of leather?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:20:56 GMT

One of the photocopied articles they handed out in my MSF class was an
article from a motorcycle magazine (sorry, don't know which or when) which
did comparative studies of several kinds of leather and several kinds of
cloth.  None of the cloth materials (including the specialty cloths used in
Aerostich) were even near leather in their ability to resist abrasion.  Is
that still true, or have the artificial materials improved?

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stat du jour
From: news@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:40:41 CDT
Keywords: helmet, replacement

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:09:27 GMT

In article <92273.112423HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET>, <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
|> I have just moved.....and my commute has gone from a 15 minute
|> 7 mile trip to >45min god-knows-how-far trip.
|> 
|> How far is too far?  I have a cage...but it looks so pretty
|> sitting in the garage.  :-)

no such thing as to far. besidse wich if you keep all your
miles on the motorcycle your car insurance won't go into 
the 10,000+ miles a year catagory........

on an aside subject has ANYONE ever had the insurance on
there bike go up cause the ride alot like in cars?

|> How far does the average Denizen commute?

21 blocks or 15 minutes including coffee stop on a bicycle.

if i had a bike there would be no reason to use it as it
wouldn't even get warmed up.


Laszlo Nemeth
pond_scum_sucker@cs.colorado.edu
"Do you believe some pin-head actually requested 90210?!?" Ed Green
"I trust you more on your motorcycle then I trust you on your bicycle" Mikii
Not many men can say they made a woman orgasm and laugh at the same time.
"He who dies with the most sub-nets wins" Peter Schmid
DoD #0666          UID #1999
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)
Subject: Re: Where can I rent ATCs(quads) ?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:13:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.135812.3668@keinstr.uucp> creque@keinstr.uucp (creque) writes:

Since you really didn't ask a question, I don't know exactly what the heck 
you're talking about in the way of rentals:  All day?, by-the-hour?, for a 
week?

But . . . in Michigan there's a place north of Ludington called Silver 
Lake.  There's acres of dunes there and about three or four places that rent 
quads.  The last time I went it was about $35 for 90 minutes.  The only 
thing that stinks is recently they switched from five-speeds to automatics.  
I think they run Honda 250s.  The guy we go to runs an operation down in 
Florida in the winter time.

Hope this helps.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Phil de Haan (DoD #0578)                                       Every day
 Calvin College                                                        is
 Home of the 1992                                                    ride
 NCAA III men's                                                   to work
 basketball champions                                                 day
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From: RYLV80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (William Mohrman)
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Organization: Motorola
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:00:14 MST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Summary: protecting tools, sanctification
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:20:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct1.143035.595@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob p
> In article <1992Oct1.195301.16411@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.c
> > Actually, I start to lose it when one of those so-called mechanics
> > looks at my bike and happens to pick up a wrench at the same time.
>
> are all your tools rubber coated?

Well, at least *one* of them isn't.  :-)

> do you use clear oil?

Oil??  Oh, in the MOTORCYCLE, you mean!  Yeah, Golden Spectro is
clear.  Of course, the inside of the FJ's engine is so clean that
the oil stays that way.  I let the other riders in my neighborhood
observe me changing it periodically so they won't feel bad.

> does starr let you put the FJ in the dishwasher?

Naah. The inside of a dishwasher isn't clean enough for my FJ.  I'd
lose ground.

> tell your secret, oh
> keeper of the sanctified motorcycle.

Keep a Sanctified Motorcycle.  Say, I *like* that! Thanx, Bob!

> > I betcha Blaine put his own Krausers on, too.  (Wow, it's amazing how
> > "Krausers" sounds like "trousers" in that context, isn't it? :-))
>
> and even though he lives in the santicifed state, he still puts
> one on at a time.

There's a special dispensation for FJ owners with Krausers.  After
all, putting the Sanctified Hard Bags on the Sanctified Motorcycle
*is* something of a religious experience, as any FJ/Krauser rider
can attest. :-)

Say, I'll bet this bragging on the FJ is probably wearing pretty
thin among the non-FJ Denizens.  Perhaps, I've overdone it just
a tad.  Perhaps t'would be better that I display a little humility,
a little tolerance for the different preferences and sensitivities
of riders of other models/brands.  Then, sensing my good will and
desire for good relations, perhaps they would reciprocate, and we
would all benefit thereby, enjoying the increased atmosphere of
harmony and beneficence?

Naah.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
DoD #0003
KotSBS KotSM

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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:11:13 GMT

In article <92273.112423HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
}How far does the average Denizen commute?

14 miles each way. Going to work is actually faster during rush hour;
got the HOV lanes on 280 and 85 nearly to myself. Takes me about
20 minutes during HOV restricted times, and about 25 minutes
if random cages can use the HOV lanes.

I'd say that the longer the commute, the *more* I'd want to take a
bike. The one thing that I still miss is being able to comfortably
listen to the radio, but I am working on that. I cut down an old
set of flat headphones the other night, but where I really need to
put the resultant flat speaker is on the top of my helmet strap,
cause that is what rests against my ear opening. I don't see an
easy way to attach it so I can get the helmet on and off easily,
so I am once again leaning towards a J&M rig. The wife is making
more and more noises about riding on the back of the bike after
all, so I once again have the excuse that I need a new helmet
anyway so she can wear my current one....
-- 
Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905
USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)				DoD #721  '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ok, who's pretending to be STUPID... (was Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths)
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:06:19 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]Yeah right, You can say what you want, but there is no way in the world
]that you can put that much engine on a bike and not have a fairley high
]level of performance. I am not familier with HD's but I can't believe 
]that a 1200+ cc engine on a 600+ pound bike is a good choice for a first
]bike. 

assuming that there are non-politicians that have brain activity levels
approaching zero and thus that David Dorfman is not just a prank...

1) have you ever actually seen a torque/hp curve for HD's?
   1a) have you ever read about HD's?
   1b) can you read?

2) do you have any idea what HP or torque is?

3) do you usually spout off about something without knowing anything
   about it?

4) do you usually commit #3 while at the same time admitting you are
   "not familier" (sic) with the subject at hand?

5) is it difficult to function with your head so far up your ass?

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 01:17:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.234526.23683@athena.cs.uga.edu> stine@athena.cs.uga.edu (Elizabeth Stine) writes:
>
>Another point, what about all the fuss over leaded vs. unleaded gas?
>
>Engine makers said that the engines couldn't run unleaded gas because of valve
>burning. Yet, come to find out, most of the engines that had this warning 
>already had hardened valve seats and this whole mess was just a smoke screen.

Most of you were probably still in diapers when unleaded gas hit the market
so a word is in order.  Yes, there were some problems with the older cars.
I had quite a few friends fry valves with the unleaded gas.  It did happen.

For the record, I use 10% ethanol spiked gas in both my Spagthorpes and
in my FJ.  I go out of my way to vary suppliers for fuel and the alcohol
fuels get their turn.  It has never been a problem.   

Ride fueled,

Bill
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From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Please Read.
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:32:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

scatlin@bnr.ca (Scot Catlin) writes:

>        If you are reading this, and you are outside the realm of BNR,
>please let me know.  I've posted several times in that last few weeks,
>and I don't think anyone outside my company is reading my posts.

Yes, your posts are getting out, I suspect they are just lost in the
noise.  You might try punching up your titles a bit - some possibilities
are:

Lance Holst is a pretty OK guy.
Countersteering: it's all in your mind
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Helmet Laws

Furthurmore, I read the last several posts of yours, and I must say 
you're far too appologetic to last long on this newsgroup.  I suggest
you cop an attitude.  For instance, rather than saying "Thanks a lot
for any help", try "Harley's suck".

Hope this helps,
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stealing bikes
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:31:13 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	When I built my last bike, I stamped my SSN inside the
	cases, outside bottom cases, frame in three places, 
	springer, heads and rocker-boxes and tranny.  So, if it
	gets stolen, then  when I buy these
	parts back at a swapmeet, I know I'm getting _good stuff_.

shoot bike thieves
hell, shoot 'em all and let god sort it out later
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