HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: A r m e n i a  huyut  T u r k e y (brain coredump).
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:43:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <12107@sorley.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) writes:
>Argiq monogne  ghuyte.  A r m e n i a hertar A z e r b a i j a n hyuw 
 ^^^^^                                                            ^^^^
>T u r k e y.  Argiq, hetrea T u r k e y nut genocyde foue uk A r m e n i a.
               ^^^^^                     ^^^  
		A.M-T.
>

Nice curses. Hyuw, you say? I didn't know this one. Though "Argiq nut" is
evident. And my favourite is this:

A R G I C, ty G A V N O !!!!!!!


-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: How to avoid panslavism and toilets in Finland
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <11340@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> <1992Dec12.022934.5986@polaris.utu.fi>
     <linnan.724256311@snakemail.hut.fi>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:45:54 GMT

In article <linnan.724256311@snakemail.hut.fi> Matti J Linnanvuori,
linnan@lk-hp-19.hut.fi writes:
>>V Moskve bylo vozhmozno raspisyvatsja "po-sovetski" -
>>svadba s moskvitskoi!
>
>  Were you thought in Moscow to have married a Russian and taken
>her last name?

The point was already pointed to ask, if Serega had possibly been
able to get Moscovite "citizenship" through formal marriage to a
Moscovite girl, so that he would not have had to leave his rodina
to USA.

- Olli-Jukka Paloneva - (Oleg Olavovitsh Bolotov)
	opaloneva@abo.fi
	
PS Her name may be Aria Khorishevausheva.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: tb11056@cehp7 (Tatiana Bakharev)
Subject: Re: Computers in Moscow and St. Petersburg
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:47:30 GMT

Jill Rhoads <JRHOADS@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>I have a question.  Does MGU or the St. Petersburg State Technical University
>have computers that are hooked up to either bitnet or internet or some sort of
>network that i can get email back to the states?  Do they have the computers
>there for student use or should I bring my little laptop and modem (which I
>don't feel like risking)?  If anyone should know or know someone who would know
>please tell me.  I want to keep in touch with friends when I go over there for
>the summer and fall....thanks.....Jill ....JRHOADS@AUVM.american.edu
       Yeahp sir all of them have Relcom hosts and you could send email
from them.
         Alexander S. Bakharev.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
Subject: Re: Boris Grebenschikov
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:40:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.201637.18641@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>	long ago (even in 70-ies).
> 
>	Misha.

Is possible to get old records of "Mashina Vremeny" ?





-- 
Aleksey Y. Romanov

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own and do not
necessary reflect those of my employer or anyone else
From: acs_anshakov@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: RE: RELAX 
Date: 10 Dec 92 20:04:03 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


  I'm not sure, but I think that real Stirlitch name
was Isaev. Am I wrong ?

Stirlitch shol po Berliny u proxozie yznavali v nem
sovetskogo razvedchika to li po rachii za spinoi, to
li po bydionovke, to li po volochivchemysia za nim 
parashuty.

Igor

(V glyshi Wiskonsii.)
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Anekdot pro Vovochku i pogovorka
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:33:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec13.230813.14075@eua.ericsson.se> euamgk@eua.ericsson.se writes:

>V Dom Pionera na yolku, a v Dom Ofitzera na palku.

  po palke soskuchilas'?

 S.B.
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
X-Xxdate: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09: 25:08 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:22:11 GMT

In article <101663@netnews.upenn.edu> Sergei Borodin,
sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu writes:
>  A idet ona o tom, chto chelovek, a imenno Mark Lipsits, nikak ne
>  mozhet nauchit'sja obraschat'sja s komputerom, a ot togo pripisyvaet
>  mne chuzhie slova. A pripisav ih mne, delaet duratskii vyvod o moem
>  chuvstve umora. Povod-to, vrode by v dannom sluchae i pustjashnyi, no
>  ja opasaus' kak by eto ne pereroslo v privychku. 


I just want to clear some misuderstanding here.  Sergei, I never tried to
pu someone else's words in your mouth -- I was replying to that strange
outburst about "economical Jews"  Please, understand me, I am using a Mac
which has barely enough memory to run System 7.  The computer itself is a
nusance.  Plus, very often, when I try to post an article it says that
"connection has timed out", and then it assumes all the responsibility
for my article, leaving me without a clue on what to do.  (I'll be glad
to recieve any suggestions)  I guess you had a chance to show off your
wits, and to flame me -- that's cool -- I loose.  But I hope that the
topic is closed now, with my apologies.
As for the people who did not think the jokes were funny -- it is their
right.  I personally think that there are a lot of jokes being posted
that lack a sense of humor.
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: renews.politics: At the Congress of the People's Deputies of Russia
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:44:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Hmmm...what do people think of this? He says in principle good things -
covering the country with kiosks as is happening now will not create
a sound economy.

But doesn't he sound just like an old Communist? Maybe one who is now on
the defensive?

Privatization was slow to start at all, and when I left Moscow it was just
beginning to be understood. Voucher trading in the Metro and in the markets
has become very noticeable.

But what is he going to do about "industry"? Keep the plant managers
happy and fat until they die of heart disease, or create a truly productive
system. I hear light bulbs have been seen again in the state shops - maybe
this is a promising sign?

I miss reading the Moscow Times, it is impossible to get anything from
CNN. Where is a better source of timely information on this disturbing
upset of Gaidar?

I hope that small business will not be suppressed and that Russia is not
heading to a free market version of state monopoly.

I was flying over the Atlantic while all of this was happening.

Can someone tell me please, has the referendum now been cancelled as
it was just being planned?

Before I left, I was working in a samizdat archive at Memorial. There
was a short story from the sixties and one line was how a girl married
an Italian man and went to Italy where life was very unnatural. Not
only were there goods in the shops, but they were actually things
people could use.

She left Italy in horror and came back to Moscow and married a good Sovok.

I don't remember the author. Well it's in my notebook but I haven't unpacked.
I almost want to fly back to Moscow just to find out how Gaidar was
dumped while I was in the air.

But it's nice living in a country with a stable government, with washing
machines and no pictures of Stalin waved in your face.

But then why am I planning my next trip to Moscow already? :/

Kak chasto v gorestnoi razluke
V moej bluzhdayushchej sud'be
Moskva - ya dumal o tebe...

(Pushkin)
p.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: RUSSIANS and FINNISH patriots (Was: Estonia 15)
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 08:26:57 GMT

In article <15119.2b2e684f@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> ,
viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>  Nobody cares which Finiks which sentiments have. What is more
>important is that among 5 Finiks participating on this list
>there are at least 3 complete idiots, one self-admitted liar,
>and the one which is still deciding which sex does _it_ have.
>Since some Finiks could combine some of these features,
>it leaves a room for Jarmo to fill in the vacancy left
>for a more or less decent personality. I'm personally inviting
>him to do so.

I think that this kind of language does not belong to
a respected representative of Russian intelligentsija -
it must be a comrade lost its identity.

Mr. Olli-Jukka Paloneva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Motherland lives!
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 07:59:46 GMT

In article <1gbntjINNol1@agate.berkeley.edu> Alex Petrushko,
alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu writes:
>Btw, I am not Christian -- I worship Green Snake. It is Russians-only
>sect, so I am sorry but no, you cannot join it...

Having read about Tapio Hietaniemi's and Jarmo Ryyti's campaign
in a small patriotic struggle for justice and freedom, I thought
that all the spirit has died in Motherland due to rational inter-
nationalist philosophy taught for three generations. Only Serge
and Sasha M. had been keeping the war-flag raised to defend what's
holy and precious.

Now I am convinced that economic restructuring and trade liberalism
with foreign influence cannot break the culture -:)

Patriots of the world - Unite! (but peacefully, please)

Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year i S Poshdestvom Vsem!


- Olli -
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11207 soc.culture.europe:10555 talk.politics.soviet:9800
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Estonian Russian-speakers
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:38:54 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1992Dec14.115612.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
> In article <01GS3YVEHL9C8Y53RK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, VIZNYUK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (SERGEI VIZNYUK) writes:
>>  [...stuff deleted...]
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Serega & Co
>> 
>> P.S. Vmesto togo, chtoby pizdet' kak Trotsky, sam-by poproboval...
> 
> Eto uzh tochto, chto kuda kak luchshe pizdit' kak Leonid Il'ich :"Vot u nikh
> tam tak huevo, a u nas v Rossii tak khorosho, chto ia sebe po etomu povodu
> eshcho zvezdochku poveshu..."
> 
> Kak govoritsia: "Necha na zerkalo peniat'..."
> 
> Respectfully, 
> Michael Martynov.

Da ty, Martynov, nikak niukh poterial. Tebe kto pisdet' razreshal ?
Esche raz uslyshu - na tsep' posazhu.

Serega & Co                                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Finnish Communists in the USA and the USSR
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:21:52 GMT

1. Chairman of the American Communist Party

Gus Hall is/was the chairman of the American Communist Party. His
original name was Arvo Kustaa Hallberg and he was a Finnish labourer.

2. Member of Politbyro

Otto-Wille Kuusinen was a emigrant communist, who had to leave Finland
because of failed mutiny 1918. In 1939 he had to establish a puppet
goverment to make Finnish occupation legal as a continuation of mutiny
1918, which was characterized as a justified class-war. The Finnish com-
munists in Finland did not support him, because they thought that it would
be easier to strike against the Finnish bourgeous - messiers from
Helsinki,
than "negotiate" with Moscovite comrades. Otto-Wille Kuusinen never
visited
Finland afterwards, when he became a member of politburo. In the 1920's he
visited to Finland wearing women's clothes. He died 1964.

I think that only Latvian Arvid Pelshe has been as successfull as
Otto-Wille
Kuusinen. He also became a full member of politburo. The most succesfull
minority nations in a communist hierarchy have been Ukrainians and Poles
and
Russian Jews.

- Olli-Jukka Paloneva -
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Are we voting for soc.culture.russia?
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 08:43:39 GMT

Is anybody supporting the idea of voting for soc.culture.russia?

By establishing it we could get into cultural discussions instead
of flaming only about The Soviet cultures inheritage?

- Olli-Jukka Paloneva - opaloneva@abo.fi
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: More on Democratic Rights
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:25:53 GMT


In article <12110@sorley.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) 
writes:

> Given the general and highly
> irrational hostility of Estonians towards Russians, Estonian MPs
> not-accountable to the Russian electorate will be able to pass
> legislation discriminating against Estonian Russians, or ignore abuses
> when they are being perpetrated on the margins of legality.  This is,
> of course, the current situation.


If you accuse the Estonian government of legislation discriminating
Estonian non-citizens without any documentation, somebody might
be apt to call that "general and highly irrational hostility towards
Estonians"

thinks 
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
From: RUBAN@hartford.bitnet ("Timur Y. Ruban")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: RE: Re: RENAME ?!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>>I AGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO THINKS THAT IT IS TIME TO RENAME
>>THIS NEWSGROUP. SOVIET UNION DISAPPEARED MORE THAN A YEAR
>>AGO AND WE STILL HAVE THIS NAME WHICH BECAME HISTORY.
>
>SU did, but not its culture. I would disagree. As things
>progress now, we can get soc.culture.ostashkov soon.
>On the other hand, shall the culture traditions we share
>be changed in accordance to any new legislation the
>honored people deputies pass?

Thumbs up!  You see, I think that the main problem in this soc.culture.soviet
forum that we get here individuals only with the soc. and soviet. background,
when the culture. one is completely absent at all, so to say.
  I think that not the name, but content has to be changed.

>don't we have other topics to think about?
A lot.  Any suggestions?

Sincerely,
Timur.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: SOC.CULTURE.SOVIET is loosing subscribers - Let's do something!
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 08:22:32 GMT

I think that this group has almost melted by the flames.
Also the name of this group is like honey for crusading
bees.

Is anybody for changing the name of this group for
soc.culture.russia? It would probably lighten the
burden that word "soviet" carries nowadays!

Should be self-moderate this group before Christmas
and for Christmas?

Shalom - peace - mir!

- Olli -
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: fomenko
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:55:33 EST

Howdy, Michael!

Something is wrong with your sources. Janus' day was January the 1st,
which is still celebrated in western tradition. December 25th was the
celebration of Natalis Sol Invicti, or the Feast of the Sun, and the
Romans moved Christmas on this day PRECISELY to accomodate the wishes &
beliefs of the believers of this religion. They figured that if they
want to make Christianity a state-religion, they should respect the old
believers.

Take care

Robert
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Subject: Re: Estonia's Russian speakers
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:16:27 GMT

In article <14987.2b24dab5@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>I just want to apply the right terms and definitions
>to the things as they are. Apparently Estonians can
>do whatever they want in "their" country - discrimination,
>apartheid, disctatorship, etc, etc. What they cannot do
>is to make me call their regime democracy.

>If non-Estonians in Estonia agree to tolerate the
>humiliation they suffer under current regime, they
>deserve it. I don't see how the subject of citizenship
>matters here at all. Even if the Russian-speakers got
>Estonian citizenship automatically, as they did in
>ALL other x-Sovok republics except Latvia, it would not
>mean that the current regime in Estonia is democratic.
>(Azerbajdzhan is another example).
>Though the citizenship issue is surely underscores the
>"achievements" of Estonian-type "democracy".

>Serega & Co

OK, now we're getting somewhere. The citizenship is NOT an issue. It doesn't 
affect one bit, in your opinion, on the amount of democracy in Estonia. What 
does then? What would it take, in your opinion, to make Estonia an 
democratic country as you define it? And what are the faults in its present 
system that prevent full democracy in Estonia?

Sincerely,
Timo Ahonen                        "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
University of Helsinki             intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
Finland                            universe is that none of it has tried to
Timo.Ahonen@Helsinki.FI            contact us." Calvin by Bill Watterson
From: MAM18@JAGUAR.UOFS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Dark Lord Worshippers in Russia
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:35:44 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

X-News: uofs soc.culture.soviet:12843

>From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
>Subject:Re: Dark Lord Worshippers in Russia
>Date: 13 Dec 92 00:18:37 GMT
>Message-ID:<SCS-L%92121219235346@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

>Could you please fill me in on the background of the Golitsyn family and why
>they would be the object of desecration?  Thanks.
>                                                 Laurie

Here is some information on Golitsyn family:

It's one of the oldest noble families in Russia.  The first famous Golitsyn
was a general in the end of XVII centuries, when Ivan V and Peter I were
tzars, while their older sister Sophie was the regent. Golitsyn was her lover,
she married him and tried to kill both Peter and Ivan to became a tzarina
(so, Golitsyn would be a tzar).  However, the plot was uncovered by Peter and
failed.

Another famous Golitsyn was a member of Supreme Council during the reign of
Catherine I and Peter II (1725-1730).  He was an active partisipant in the
plan of limiting autocrasy in Russia, but Empress Ann uncovered this plan and
got rid of it's main partisipants.

The last Golitsyn (porutchik = warrant officer) is famous only because there
is an old song of first Russian emigres about him and cornet Obolensky.  As
I beleive, the names were choosen only because Golitsyn and Obolensky are the
oldest and most famous families in Russian nobility.

I don't really know why somebody would want his body to be desecrated.

Michael Martynov.
Newsgroups: talk.poilitics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.rights.human
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Eyewitness Accounts of Anti-Armenian Pogroms in Azerbaijan #023
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23: 48:56 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:45:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.163657.5127@urartu.sdpa.org> David Davidian,
dbd@urartu.sdpa.org writes:
>			- - - reference - - -
>
>[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
>    Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian,
forward by
>    Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages
306-317
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11119 talk.politics.soviet:9748 soc.culture.europe:10488
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Can Yeltsin reelect parlament now?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 DEC 92 04:34:39 GMT

Hi Yury,

Just returned from a vacation in Panama.  Don't mention American
imperialism.  The beer was OK, the beaches were nice, the food was
greasy, people carried very large guns.  Next time Mexico.  Have I
missed any installments of Welcome to Pittsburgh?

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 16:31:13 CST
From: Fardad         <U33720@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Any FTP sites in RUSSIA or Moldavia????



      Does anyone know of any FTP sites in the former USSR?

Thank you,
       Do svidania.
fardad
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:10959 soc.culture.europe:10382 talk.politics.soviet:9645
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Subject: Re: Boris Grebenschikov
Organization: University of Chicago CILS
	<1992Dec19.001335.18691@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<LEONID.92Dec19131458@tuna.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Dec20.001331.18711@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:58:53 GMT

Hey guys,

as it was sung in one of the earliest Rolling Stones song,
"We've got a good thing goin'!.." It's not a very frequent
thing to happen in this group - when people start discussing
something *really* interesting and slightly related to Russian
*culture*. I used to try to read scs many times before, say
once in a month, but saw only mutual flames and infinite "prose"
of Mr. Hasan ben Immortal. Now, after this discussion on BG 
has started, I really see a group of nice people who've got 
what to say and are able to say it without flaming anybody...

Thank you, guys.

Mikhail S. Verbitsky writes:

>	   It was funny, especially when
>	   he tried to sing Tsoi's "Trolleibus, Kotoryi
>	   Idet Na Vostok" (The Bus Boung East) and 
>	   forgot the lyrics...

So what? I've seen him in Novosibirsk, forgetting the lyrics
of "Des'at' Strel" (Ten Arrows) - the song of his own! It *was* funny.
Very confusing, though. 

>	   The knowledge is pretty well-spread because
>	   it is written by Alexei Khvostenko and Andrei
>	   Volokhonskii - two famous Parisian avangardists
>	   who emigrated there in 70-ies. 

I managed not to know this! So it was one of the usual Bob's
weird jokes - telling that the song is "narodnaja"...

>	   His close friend Khvostenko, in his usual
>	   manner, stole the music from some Italian or French
>	   harpsichordist of 16-th century.

Yapp, I had this melody recorded on LP by "Melodija" -
"L'utnevaja muzyka 16 veka" or smth. like this.

>	   BTW, the story of this song "coming" to Bob
>	   is depicted in another of his songs, along
>	   with important (IMHO) insights of BG on his
>	   writing.
>
>   "Kak stranno to, chto zatevayu ya
>   Podobie lyubvi sozdat' iz zhazhdy
>     
>      ...

Well, I never considered this as a story of this
*particular* song "coming" to him... I absolutely agree
with you that the song really is very important to 
understand his insight on writing. That's exactly what
he used to tell in all the interviews, that he doesn't
write his songs, they *come* to him. They come, so you
cannot lock your door, not to let them in. In some sense,
IMHO, his poetry looses a lot due to this approach:
I think, that here is the reason, why doesn't he fix
such an obviously weak places in his verses ( like he's 
got these trivial rhymes all the time - kino/vino,
fakt/takt, etc. ) - It *came* to him in this way, so
there's no way to change/enhance it.

BTW, "orel, telets i lev" - this is a very general and 
important symbol in Asian philosophies. I don't dare to 
explain it here. Maybe someone will?

/\.