From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: Election in Taiwan
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:48:57 GMT

From article <Bzoyqs.KqG@austin.ibm.com>, by tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee):
> In article <1992Dec22.200545.29506@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>>
>>That's what I said you are kind of slow. People in Taiwan are looking
>>forward to the future. Instead, you are looking into the past.
>>
> 
> Ahem, Hottentot would be the word I would suggest to describe you.
> We are not talking about quantum leap which will sever the present and future
> from the past by a push of a button.
> 

Unfortunately, you do not look into how many Taiwanese were killed by
KMT and why SOME of the past TI movement was violent-prone.

>>Second, didn't Dr. Sun did the same "terrible" things in the past?
>>To me, those acts are understandable and not so evil. Just try to
>>understand the reason behind those.
>>
> 
> What a joke! TIers want to be treated equally with what Sun did.
> To me, those terrors (by TIers, of course) involved many people's lives,
> families, and friends, how could you say it so lightly? Do you have any
> human lineage in your body? Just let me understand your mentality
> behind this. You speak like a CNP spy, don't you?
> 

Okay, Let's look into the past.

Are you telling me that those Manchurians' and "Han Jiens"' lives were
just shits 90 years ago and Dr. Sun and his gangs had all rights to
kill?

Are you telling me that those Taiwanese deserved to be killed and KMT
had all rights to execute in "228" and 50's/60's?

Tell me how many people were killed by TI movement? You cannot just
assert "TI terrors involved many people's lives, families, and friends"
by what you think TIers should have done. You did mentioned below that
you have few knowledge of TI terrors. Then the assertion seemed weak.
As far as I know, old TI movement never killed anybody else. 

If there is anybody that knows old TI movement quite well, please
contribute what you know to the net. It doesn't matter you hate it or
you like it. What everybody wants to know is the FACT.

My point to TI is that there was TI movement, which you heard of, that
established tens of years ago overseas. I use past tense because most
of it's core members already went back to Taiwan to earn their votes
through a democratic way. There is a new TI concept which is emerging
both in Taiwan and overseas. I think it should not be biased to say
that this force is led by DPP. The goal is to convince most of the
people (in Taiwan) that an independent country is a better way to go.
Through the most recent election, I estimate that pro-TI ratio is
about 35-40%. This number encourages me to estimate that Taiwan will
have a referendum on this and declare itself an independent country
by the year 2000.

What is "CNP"? Kind of curious about who do you think I am.

> ... 
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>  * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
> \* Ty Lee                                                                    */

Have a Good Holiday and Happy New Year!


Heng-Hsin

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