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From: wmperry@cherry.ucs.indiana.edu (William M. Perry)
Subject: vm-summary-format question
Organization: Computer Science Student, Indiana University
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:36:55

Just wondering if anyone out there has hacked vm so that it will print
out only the userid of who sent the message in the summary window?
ie: wmperry DFR "vm-summary-format question".

I have vm-summary-format set to "%2n %a %-17.17f \"%s\"\n", but this
will give me lines like:
wmperry@ucs.india DFR "vm-summary-format question"
Which I find a tad annoying (nothing major though)

Anyone else out there already done this?  If not, then I think I shall
just add another % specifier (%U or something like that).  But figured
I'd spare myself the 5 minutes if someone had already done it.

Thanks,
	Bill Perry
-- 
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wmperry@ucs.indiana.edu  / and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you
Phone: (812) 336 - 3071 / do not know it; this is knowlege.' - Confucius
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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:13:32 -0400
Subject: Aliases
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Leo Gestetner writes:
 > Does anyone know of a way to have mail aliases in vm?

VM uses Emacs' distributed Mail mode, so whateer features you
have with that are also available under VM.  In particular, Mail
mode will read Berkeley Mail aliases from your .mailrc.
From: shadagop@zeppelin.rutgers.edu (Narayanan Shadagopan)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Subject: Re: Vm Help
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:04:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <9210021511.AA15086@wendy-fate.UU.NET> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:

> Leo Gestetner writes:
>  > Could someone help me with a couple of things.
>  > 1) How can I get Vm to automatically mail me (or save) a
>  >   copy of all mail I send out?
> 
> Use (setq mail-self-blind t) in your .emacs file.


Is there a way that I can save the outgoing message in a file
without having the message mailed back to me? Something like
FCC in Rmail.

Thanks,
Nary
-- 
Narayanan Shadagopan
home phone: (908) 937-5496
work phone: (908) 932-4621
e-mail: shadagop@physics.rutgers.edu
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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:54:11 -0400
Subject: Saving outgoing files
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Andrew William Bartelt writes:
 > I use VM, and I would like the mail I send to be automatically saved
 > in a file named by the id of the person I am writing.  For example if
 > I were writing a message to myself (awb7h@virginia.edu) I would like
 > the message saved in awb7h.

This won't be easy.  There can be multiple addresses in To and Cc
headers; which one do you use?
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:42:24 -0400
From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Aliases
	<JOHN.92Oct2114301@sekrit.WPI.EDU>
	<LEOPARD.92Oct2102142@planet10.WPI.EDU>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Raymond E. Suorsa writes:
 > I'm using a Sparc and SunOS 4.1.2, VM and epoch.  The .mailrc file
 > does not work for me because it seems that the last mailer in the
 > chain is sendmail which does not do individualized alias files.  It
 > only supports /etc/aliases which is a root owned file.  So do I need
 > to replace sendmail with something else?

There's nothing about sendmail that would cause .mailrc not to work.
Emacs reads the .mailrc and does address substitutions before
sendmail ever sees the mail.  You may have a syntax error is the
alias you're trying to use.  Trim your .amilrc down to a few
simple alias lines and try to get some simple exmaples to work.
From: john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Subject: Re: Aliases
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:43:01
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sekrit.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: leopard@planet10.WPI.EDU's message of 2 Oct 92 10:21:42

>>>>> On 2 Oct 92 10:21:42, leopard@planet10.WPI.EDU (Leo Gestetner) said:


Leo> Does anyone know of a way to have mail aliases in vm?

Use a .mailrc file.  Do man mail for more info.

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From: eeide%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Eric Eide)
Subject: Considering Moving From VM 4.41 --> VM 5.32; Advice Sought
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:32:27 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: gnu

(Sorry if this is a duplicate posting.  I seem to be having problems with
GNUS today.)

I am considering "upgrading" my mail reader from VM 4.41 to VM 5.32.
Everything new (Hyperbole support, Lucid support, BBDB support (?), and so on)
is for 5.32; nobody ever talks about 4.41 anymore :-(.

I had a few simple questions for those who have gone before:

  - My VM 4.41 folders are directly readable by VM 5.32, right?

  - Would my VM 5.32 folders be directly readable by VM 4.41, were I todecide
    to go back to 4.41?

  - Should I be scared by the "beta" label on VM 5.32?  VM 5.3* has been beta
    software for as long as I've been using VM 4.41 (~one year) -- will there
    be a "release" version of VM 5 in the near future?  I don't want to be a
    beta tester; I just want to handle my mail :-).

Thanks in advance for your advice.

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From: eeide%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Eric Eide)
Subject: Considering Moving From VM 4.41 --> VM 5.32; Advice Sought
Organization: University of Utah Department of Computer Science
Distribution: gnu
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:22:00

I am considering "upgrading" my mail reader from VM 4.41 to VM 5.32.
Everything new (Hyperbole support, Lucid support, BBDB support (?), and so on)
is for 5.32; nobody ever talks about 4.41 anymore :-(.

I had a few simple questions for those who have gone before:

  - My VM 4.41 folders are directly readable by VM 5.32, right?

  - Would my VM 5.32 folders be directly readable by VM 4.41, were I decide to
    go back to 4.41?

  - Should I be scared by the "beta" label on VM 5.32?  VM 5.3* has been beta
    software for as long as I've been using VM 4.41 (~one year) -- will there
    be a "release" version of VM 5 in the near future?  I don't want to be a
    beta tester; I just want to handle my mail :-).

Thanks in advance for your advice.

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Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
From: grendel@fen.arc.nasa.gov (Raymond E. Suorsa)
Subject: Re: Aliases
Reply-To: grendel@windchime.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:49:03 GMT

In article <JOHN.92Oct2114301@sekrit.WPI.EDU>, john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel) writes:
|> >>>>> On 2 Oct 92 10:21:42, leopard@planet10.WPI.EDU (Leo Gestetner) said:
|> 
|> 
|> Leo> Does anyone know of a way to have mail aliases in vm?
|> 
|> Use a .mailrc file.  Do man mail for more info.
|> 
|> --

I'm using a Sparc and SunOS 4.1.2, VM and epoch.  The .mailrc file
does not work for me because it seems that the last mailer in the
chain is sendmail which does not do individualized alias files.  It
only supports /etc/aliases which is a root owned file.  So do I need
to replace sendmail with something else?

  __o   Ray Suorsa,
  \<,   grendel@windchime.arc.nasa.gov,
()/ ()  NASA/Ames (415)604-6334
From: kuro@cachaca.Eng.Sun.Com (Teruhiko Kurosaka)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Subject: Sun's mailtool attatchements
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:04:24
Organization: SunSoft, a Microsystems company, Mt.View, CA, USA
Distribution: gnu
Reply-To: kuro@Eng.Sun.Com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cachaca

Hi there.
Is there a patch to vm so that vm would understand "attatchment" from
Sun's mailtool ?
This is what I am imagining:
I would not like to see those "garbages" as text.  I would rather want
to see a seperate window displaying lists of attatchments accompanying
the mail body.  If the attathcment is a file, a key stroke over it
would extract the file.  If the attatchment is an PostScript file, a
key stroke would send it to a printer, and another keystroke would
invoke the "pageview" program, etc.
Please send me e-mail if you know any such patch.
-kuro
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From: Neal_McBurnett@ATT.COM (Neal McBurnett)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:35:17 MDT
Subject: MIME, metamail, VM, application types, etc.
X-Mailer: VM 5.32 (beta) for GNU Emacs 18.57.1
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
I just put in the metamail hacks for VM 5.32 based on the latest stuff
in mm.tar.Z, and I am wondering if that is really the best there is so
far.  It seems to work ok for VM in a standard terminal, but not to
work well for VM under X11.  It tries to use escape sequences to
embolden richtext, etc (even if I set $MM_NOTTTY)

Sometimes when I hit "!" to send a message to metamail,
I get 'Search failed for "^J^J"'


More musings:

At first it seemed to me that the easiest parts of MIME to sell to my
associates would be things like guaranteed encapsulation of messages and
the external-body message type, but that doesn't seem very easy to use yet.

I guess it looks like I can put an application/octet-stream inclusion
in a mailto.  Shouldn't there be standard entries in the mailcap
to present that option to the user in a more user-friendly way,
for either base64 and quoted-printable encoding?  I can't quite figure
out how to do that - what should the "command" field be?  How can
the encoding be defaulted?

How do I get metamail to save the audio part of a message in a file
somewhere?

It would be nice if metamail also offered to pipe applications data
through an arbitrary pipeline typed in by the user.  I understand the
security hazards of having it automatically SUGGEST a pipeline, but I
often would like to be able to avoid using up disk space by putting
something in a file first.

I note that metamail doesn't interpret environmental variables in
file names which it reads from the user - that would be a friendly
thing to do.

Also, metamail doesn't seem to use the application/octet-stream "name"
attribute as a prompt for the user when saving the file.

Are there any existing "mail-based scheduling systems" implemented?
One based on 'cm-insert' in OpenWindows would be handy.

Thanks,

Neal_McBurnett@ATT.COM (Neal McBurnett)	303-538-4852	AT&T Bell Labs, Denver
From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: ispell 3.0 - problem with hp's
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:28:36 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: neal.ctd.comsat.com
In-reply-to: freedman@bellman.lanl.gov's message of 30 Sep 92 23:46:07 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 6746dfbf9335dbae6b5598488573fa3f

>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 23:46:07 GMT, freedman@bellman.lanl.gov (keith freedman) said:

	keith> I am trying to install ispell 3.0 on some HP machines.

> make
	keith>         cc -O  -c term.c
	keith> "term.c", line 375: 'CBREAK' undefined
	keith> "term.c", line 505: 'TIOCSLTC' undefined
	keith> "term.c", line 505: 'oltc' undefined
	keith> "term.c", line 549: 'ltc' undefined
	keith> *** Error code 1

	keith> Stop.
>

	keith> Is this just a missing include file? or is there a patch to ispell that I'm missing
	keith> I've install all 9 patches and installed it on a SPARC with NO problems.


Here is my local.h:

---------------------------
* 
 * Revision 1.1  89/02/27  23:12:31  geoff
 * Initial revision
 * 
 */

/*
 * This file is a sample local.h file.  It shows what I believe nearly every
 * site will want to include in their local.h.  You will probably want to
 * expand this file;  see "config.X" to learn of #defines that you might
 * like to add to.
 */

#define CAPITALIZATION
#define MINIMENU
#define NO8BIT
#define USG
-------------------------

It's been a long time since I built this, I think maybe USG does it.
From: lz22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Langche Zeng)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: "mode specification error"
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:23:21 GMT
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I wanted to open my latex files that have names like file.tex, but got
an error message saying "mode specification error: overflow in regular
expression matching". My .emacs file calls for loading of some macros
(auc-tex) if the suffix of the file is .tex. Does any one have any idea
what's wrong? The .emacs file and the macros were tested before and
worked perpectly on a Sun. By the way, there is no problem to open a
file.tex if it's a new file.

Any help would be very much appreciated.
From: hasker@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Hasker)
Subject: Re: Changing to Unix Mailbox?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:35:17 GMT

kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c) writes:

>...  instead i use the FCC: line.  and suffer
>its bugs (particularly the one where it saves to the file when you are
>replying to a message that is in the same archive file that you save to.

I've always felt that part of the problem is that `q' doesn't kill the
buffer, so I've changed rmail-quit to do so (unless it's your main RMAIL
buffer).  I've included the code below.  However, that isn't a nice fix
to the reply problem mentioned above.

Rob

(defun rmail-quit ()
  "Leave RMAIL, killing buffer unless it's the main RMAIL buffer"
  ;; rwh: added code to kill buffer
  (interactive)
  (rmail-expunge-and-save)
  ;; Don't switch to the summary buffer even if it was recently visible.
  (if rmail-summary-buffer
      (bury-buffer rmail-summary-buffer))
  (let ((obuf (current-buffer)))
    (switch-to-buffer (other-buffer))
    (if (string= (buffer-file-name obuf)
		 (expand-file-name rmail-file-name))
	(bury-buffer obuf)
      (kill-buffer obuf))))

Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Nickelsen)
Subject: Re: Wish list of common but obsure Emacs commands
Reply-To: nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de
Organization: STONE Project, Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:50:47 GMT

In article <JBW.92Oct5101506@bigbird.bu.edu> jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe
Wells) writes:

> In article <1992Oct5.074406.24193@csus.edu> vpcsc4@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Emmett McLean) writes:
[...]
>     6. If I already have a window in shell-mode called
>        *shell*, create an independent shell. Do this some
>        easy way without requiring *shell* and the second
>        window be renamed.
> 
> This requires you to install a better shell-mode.  Can someone tell if
> `comint' does this by default?

J-shell does this by default. J-shell is currently in beta test (I am
one of the testers) and will be probably be released in the next
weeks.

--
Juergen Nickelsen
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: filtering output from shell
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:19:32 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <GARY.92Sep30160058@strident.think.com> gary@think.com (Gary Sabot) writes:
>
>I'm running telnet in shell mode to talk to a balky computer that insists
>on echoing my input lines AND putting ^M's on the end of all lines that it
>prints (i.e. both its output and its echoes).
>
>Does anyone have code fragment that shows how I can filter some of this
>junk out, perhaps using process-filter?  Note that my problem with ^M's
>isn't the usual one that gets solved by saying "stty nl", since the machine
>I'm telneting to is not Unix and I can't change the output that it is
>sending me.

I rewrote telnet-filter in a file called telnet-filter.el in a directory
in my load-path, and put this in my ~/.emacs:

(autoload 'telnet "telnet-filter"
	  "*Open a network login connection to HOST on optional PORT..." t)

Here's my telnet-filter.el:

;;;; telnet-filter.el

;;;; Delete unprintable characters from telnet output.

;; Advertise provided feature:
(provide 'telnet-filter)

;; Load telnet:
(if (not (fboundp 'telnet-filter))
    (load-library "telnet"))

;; Options:

(defvar telnet-filter-regexp "[^\t\n -~]" ; all unprintable characters
  "*Regular expression to match characters to be filtered from telnet output.
Automatically made local to buffer when set.")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'telnet-filter-regexp)

;; Modify the process output filter:

(defun telnet-filter (proc string)
  (let ((buffer (current-buffer))
	(match-data (match-data)))
    (unwind-protect			; restore buffer and match data
	(let ((output-start (point-max)))
	  (set-buffer (process-buffer proc))
	  (goto-char output-start)
	  (insert string)
	  (set-marker (process-mark proc) (point))
	  ;; replace unprintable chars:
	  (goto-char output-start)
	  (if telnet-filter-regexp
	      (while (re-search-forward telnet-filter-regexp (point-max) t)
		(let* ((unprintable-char
			(char-after (match-beginning 0)))
		       (replacement-string
			(if (and (char-equal unprintable-char ?\C-g)
				 telnet-replace-c-g) ; backward compatibility
			    (char-to-string telnet-replace-c-g)
			  "")))
		  ;; primitive terminal emulation:
		  (cond ((char-equal unprintable-char ?\a) (beep t))
			((char-equal unprintable-char ?\f) (recenter 0)))
		  ;; do the replacement:
		  (if replacement-string
		      (replace-match replacement-string)))))
	  (goto-char (point-max))	; restore point
	  ;; naively copied from telnet.el:
	  (if (and (integer-or-marker-p last-input-start)
		   (marker-position last-input-start)
		   telnet-remote-echoes)
	      (delete-region last-input-start last-input-end)))
      (set-buffer buffer)
      (store-match-data match-data))))
-- 
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Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
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Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.gnus,gnu.emacs.vm.bug
From: orloff@surya4.cern.ch (Jean Orloff)
Subject: Re: Changing to Unix Mailbox?
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for Particle Physics
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:01:39 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 1992 11:48:42 GMT, meyer@geomatic.no (Harald Martens Meyer) said:

Harald> I'm now able to sort out my incoming mails. But I'd like to be
Harald> able to do the same with the outgoing ones. I'm currently
Harald> using the FCC header to make a file-copy of the outgoing
Harald> mails.

Harald> Anyone know a smart method to make my outgoing mails in Unix
Harald> mail format??

I have included
  (setq mail-self-blind t)
in my .vm file. This makes you send a copy of all outgoing mail to
yourself by default (you can always decide to kill the BCC line before
sending). You can then save your out-mail in folders as you do for
in-mail.

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Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,alt.security,comp.security.misc
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: How to be root in Emacs?
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: gnu
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:01:48 GMT

>  * Suggestion: use ange-ftp to access files as root, eg.

>  * Security warning: After doing this, leaving your emacs running will be
>    tantamout to leaving "su root" running, ie. anyone in the know will be
>    able to sit down at your terminal and get superuser privileges.

It's somewhat worse than that, since ange-ftp keeps the cleartext
password in memory, ie. someone can just ask emacs the password (or
read it from the core dump if emacs crashes).  Also, someone might
steal the password by using the tty driver bugs (ie. mimic an ftp
process sitting on a pty waiting for ange-ftp to open the pty).

//Jyrki
From: bwolen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Po-Jen Yang)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: mail/search-string
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:19:19 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University


-- 

I have two questions:
	 1) for "mail-yank-original", is there a way to
	    have "> " inserted before each line of
	    the original mail?

	 2) If I would to do
	          (re-search-forward "ab[c]*")
	    How do I obtained the matched string itself?
	    "re-search-forward" only returns "t" or "nil".


Any help appreciated.
Thanks

-- Bwolen (bwolen@cs.cmu.edu)
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Can stuff be unloaded from memory?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 21:03:37 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Oct1.183701.2339@cs.yale.edu> A. Satish Pai <Pai-Satish@CS.Yale.Edu>  writes:
>The only thing to do seems to be to exit and start with a fresh Emacs. It would
>be nice if were possible to "unload" packages from memory so that after you 
>use something, you could get rid of it and free some memory. Is this possible?
>Will it be possible in v.19?

If you have a list of all the functions that were defined by these packages
(you could create this by grepping for all the defun lines in the
autoloaded files) you could use

	(mapcar 'fmakunbound autoloaded-function-list)

to undefine all of them.  Then you could re-execute the autoload
definitions so they'll be reloaded when necessary.  The next GC will remove
all the function definitions from memory.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar