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From: cvantwrp@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Cyndi Van Antwerp)
Subject: Potty Training Advice Needed
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:26:09 GMT

I need some potty training advice.  My son, 2.5 years is showing signs of
knowing what the potty is for, but I haven't initiated any training yet.
Once in awhile he will ask to sit on the potty, we will let him, and then
after about 30-45 seconds he will get up--with no results.  He's been starting
to tell us when he is "stinky" but not every time.

The other night he crawled up on the couch, layed down and said, "Please."
Since I had no idea what he was asking for I kind of ignored him and a few
seconds later he said, "I said, Please."  I asked, "What do you want, Baby?"
He answered with, "Changed."

I've got and read the toilet training FAQ.  My pediatrician and day care
person believe in letting a child "train" him/herself, that they will
ask to use the potty one day and voila!

My older son never showed any interest in the potty and I just started working
on training him when he was 2.5 (but that was 16 years ago!).  It took me
about a month to train him.  My question is, should I go ahead and start
working with Chris even though the day care provider won't be working with
him?  Should I wait until he "does the deed" himself?  My mother used to
say that when a child can asked to be changed they are ready to be potty
trained (and she had seven children).

Any advice appreciated!  Thanks.

-- 
Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.
					-- John Lennon

Cyndi Van Antwerp
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Subject: Cute things they do (parents & 1YO)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 03:03:39 GMT


     While driving back to college, my parents and I stopped for breakfast
and witnessed a couple cute things I just couldn't pass up.
     One woman was with her family in line, and she was very pregnant.  When
the receptionist (what is that word I'm looking for) asked how many in the
party, she said:  "5, but better have a sixth place set, just in case." (No,
she didn't start labor in the restaurant.)
     Then, a couple with their 1YO were showing him how to eat with a fork.
So, he picks the fork up with his right hand, holding it the entire time while
stuffing food into his mouth with his left. (I wonder - just what was he
thinking it was used for?!)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: cah@pdx.csd.mot.com (Chris Huey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:04:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxvme.1303
Distribution: na
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Mike Nelson (nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug28.200552.15893@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes:
: >In article <1992Aug28.190328.26810@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
: >>When I was in high school, deep in the early 70's, an English
: >>teacher told us that song was drug-related.  Figure?
: >

I seem to remember a live album by PPM whereby they poke fun at the "Drug
Related" critics.  You know: 

	Lyric:				Drug Hysteria Interpretation:

	Puff the magic dragon 		Puff the magic drag in (Marijuana)
	Lived by the Sea		Live by the C (C being cocaine)
	...				...

So PPM did their own interpretation of our national anthem:

	Lyric:				Drug Hysteria Interpretation:

	Oh, say can you see...		Oh say can you C (C being cocaine)

and so forth...

If they can take it lightly, so can I.

Chris
-- 
Chris Huey                             Motorola Inc., Computer Systems Division
cah@pdx.csd.mot.com                                                            
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From: gwynne@milton.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Questions to ask Potential Nanny
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:09:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep2.190958.12878
Reply-To: gwynne@u.washington.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I am interviewing my first potential nanny tomorrow (Thursday)
evening so fast answers would be appreciated.

Aside from the usual, like arrest records, references, etc., what 
does one ask a potential babysitter/nanny?       

There must be people out there reading misc.kids who have hired
nannies.  

My daughter is going into 4th grade.  I am a single parent and
am looking basically for someone who will spend some time with
Gwynne after school a couple of times a week plus some weekend
time.

Thanks much.  Should I post the suggestions for interview questions?
I'd be glad to do so.

Kristan
gwynne@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Perineal Massage Questions
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 21:52:12 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Sep1.203808.12467@ncsa.uiuc.edu>, aschuele@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Amy 
Schuele) writes:
> I'm in my last month of pregnancy....finally!  We've been
> doing the perineal massage and have a few questions...
> 
> 1.  How many of you did this?

I did.

> 2.  For how many weeks?

6 weeks

> 3.  Did you end up with an episiotomy?

NO!  With a 9 lb 8 oz baby.  And I'm a medium sized person.

> 4.  How often did you do it (per week?)?

Twice per day.  I had also been doing Kegle exercises of at least 30 per day, 
increasing in the last month.  I started the exercises immediately after the 
birth, and they helped greatly.

Hopefully, you've asked your doctor how to avoid episiotomy by now.  If s/he 
has been reluctant to talk about it, or says "I only do it if it's 
necessary", you may have to be very assertive in order to avoid one.  The 
last study I read showed that 90% of first mothers in the US have 
episiotomies.

By far the best way to avoid an episiotomy is to be delivered by someone who 
is dedicated to their avoidance, and who will take a pro-active approach 
during the second stage of labor to stretch the perineum and massage the 
pelvic floor.  Hot compresses on the perineum are also of great help.  



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey)
Subject: beginning discipline
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:37:29 GMT


I'd like ideas on beginning setting limits for our almost 10 month old 
daughter.

Hannah is quite mobile: cruising and climbing furniture and crawling
faster than I walk.  We feel like the house is reasonably baby-proofed but
still have to have some limits.  For example, we don't want her to play on
the hearth or with the glass fireplace doors - although we can make this
area fairly safe now, during the winter she could get burned so we want to
make this area off-limits.  Although there are a few areas, items, and 
activities we want to designate off-limits, Hannah has free rein of most 
of the house, plenty of toys on the floor, and we spend a good deal of time 
playing with her.

When she gets into one of the areas which are off-limits, I've tried saying
"no" sternly, removing her to an acceptable play area, and perhaps giving
her a toy to distract her.  Lately when she hears me say "no", she turns and
smiles broadly or even laughs then continues with the unacceptable activity.
When I move her she usually immediately tries to return to the activity
which I had tried to stop.  Sometimes she cannot be distracted and begins to 
cry when I prevent her persistent attempts at the undesirable activity.  

I'd like to avoid corporal punishment - so I need some techniques for
setting limits on her activities.

thanks, 
anne
aharvey@hpmail1.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com
From: plaice@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Marcie Plaice)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Summary: How to get Jordan to take bottle
Date: 28 Aug 1992 09:49:26 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who sent me mail regarding this.
I haven't had a chance yet to thank each of you individually, so I am
doing it like this!

Secondly, for now it seems we've battled the problem.  Jordan will take
a bottle for his Daddy when Mommy is no where in the vicinity of the  
house, so he should do the same for a sitter, I hope.

Suggestions included:

     -- trying different nipples (the only one we hadn't tried
          was the silicone ones, which I went out and bought a
          few of, and he does seem to do better with them)

     -- Having sitter wear a shirt of Dads (turns out that our
          sitter has done this for others she watches)

     -- Feed immediatly before I leave and as soon as I return

     -- Persistence

I'm sure that there were some more suggestions, but at the moment
I'm blank and I'm trying to hurry and type this, as Jordan feels
it's time to eat again!

On a side note, our doctor doesn't recommend any food for Jordan
before he is 4 months old (start cereal at that age).  During the
day I've been feeding him about every 1 1/2 hours, he seems that
hungry.  I know I"ve got milk supply, but it doesn't seem to satisfy
him enough.  He is sleeping through the night, 10-12 hours at a shot,
so it must satisfy him at night, or he's just pooped from not taking
naps during the day (that's his choice... I'd prefer he take one or
two during the day).  Is it going to hurt to start giving him
cereal to try to stretch the length between day feedings?

Thanks for all help!

--Marcie (Mommy to Kyle (3.11) and Jordan (3 months))
-- 
Marcie Plaice
Keyboard Operator II
Kansas State University                     
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:58:59 GMT

In article <21489@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>jlt>
>|> >I recommend US Savings Bonds.  They are a safe long term investment (as
>|> >safe as US currency) and if you make them out in the children's names and
>|> >keep them in a safe, the children get a big kick out of seeing their very
>|> >own money. 
>
>M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
>|>   If you make them out in your own name, you get some sort of tax break
>|> when you use them for tuition when the kids are in college.  But they must
>|> be in your own name and this benefit applies to recent bonds (after
>|> 1989?).
>
>There's also an income cap.  Personally, I plan on making too much
>money to qualify for this one.
>
>|>  Aggressive mutual funds (such as 20th Century Ultra, no plug intended here,
>|> just an example) are really ideal for long-term investing - I think of 18
>|> years as long-term investing.
>
>Absolutely.  With savings bonds, you aren't likely to do much better
>than inflation.  While they're perfectly safe, they're not going to
>compound at the same kind of rates that stocks historically have.
>There are several no-load mutual funds that you can start and have
>money regularly moved from your checking account.  Vanguard and
>Financial Funds are highly rated by Money Magazine.  (Vanguard has a
>pretty high initial investment for most funds.  Financial Fund's
>initial investment is $250.)

Well, it would be a good idea to remember that it isn't the load per se
that is the important point, but the overall expenses that the fund 
has.  There are some loaded funds that have lower than average expenses
including the load.  Funds with lower-than-average expenses tend to do
better than average.  Washington Investors Group in the American Funds
is a good example.  It has done better than the S&P 500 in *every* 10
year average period since it was started.  (Not to be taken as an endorsement
-- you never know what the future holds.)  Also, as the children approach
college, you would want to switch the investment to a less volatile
instrument -- like say an intermediate bond fund.

>
>|>   Diversification and all that good investment advice you read apply to
>|> the task of saving for a child's college tuition.  Most important of all,
>|> and absolutely the hardest for me, is to save REGULARLY (every week
>|> or month). 
>
>The more automated this process is, the easier it is to save.  Set up
>the account so that money is automatically deposited, but you have to
>go to a bank and get a signature guarantee to take it out.  You want
>it to be _difficult_ to withdraw, since you dont' want to touch it for
>years.
>
>--Beth Weiss
>bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alainew@gypsy.mentorg.com (Alaine Warfield)
Subject: Ultrasound in the delivery room vs fetal monitoring
Originator: alainew@gypsy
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 02:06:36 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation; Beaverton, Oregon
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

Why isn't ultrasound used more routinely in the delivery room
to check fetal position?  I assume that an ultrasound scan
could tell if the cord was wrapped around the fetus's head, or
preventing the fetus from descending properly.  If the sonogram
showed a potential problem with the cord, this would alert the
physicians to use the fetal monitor.  I assume that most of the
time the heart rate drops severely during a contraction that
it is the baby's position that is causing a problem.  I doubt that
performing a scan is much more expensive than hooking a mom up to
a fetal monitor and having a nurse have to come in every five minutes
to adjust the monitor because the thing has slipped or the baby has
moved.

Since my experience of having the doctor "discover" that my baby
was breech after 15 hours of labor, I have heard from several other
women who had the same experience.  I also know of people who ended
up with C - births after many long hours when it was discovered that
the baby's head was in the wrong position.  It took only 5 seconds for
the sonogram to show my baby's position -- it could have saved the
hospital 8 hours worth of caring for me (it's an HMO, so they have
to pay for their own mistakes).  The labor floor has to have an
ultrasound machine available -- why don't they use it more?

After the surgery, they told me that Kayla's cord was wrapped such
that she couldn't descend -- had they showed me this on the sonogram
before I agreed to have the surgery (like they let me have a choice!!) 
I would have been much less reluctant about "giving in" to the knife.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com (Claire Cates)
Subject: Re: Nighttime Potty Training
Originator: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:32:08 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Aug25.150027.21411@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
|> Laura is 3.6 and pretty reliable during the day.  However, she is
|> a very heavy sleeper and I still put her in a diaper at night.  I've
|> .....
My daughter Keri will be 4 at the end of Sept.  She has the same problem.
My older daughter Nicki 7 was the same way.  I worried about it a lot,
but when I talked with the pediatrician, she told me not to worry.
She said Nicki would stop wetting when she was ready.  She did tell
me to try letting her sleep in panties every couple of months to try, but
that if it didn't work not to push her.  Low and behold when she turned
four she stopped wetting.  It was an overnight change.  Now Keri loves 
to wear panties to bed, but she very seldom makes it through the night,
this occurs even though I am waking her to potty before I go to sleep.
It is frustrating, but I will keep on trying until she gets it right.



Claire S. Cates
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: prenatal testing - ultra sounds
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:42:15 GMT

Silly question, I know.....but are you all talking about "on the tummy" ultra-
sounds or intravaginal(sp?) ultrasounds.  I've had the latter recently, with
no requirements for water drinking.  But in the past (8 years ago) I definitely
had to have a full bladder for the "on the tummy" type.

I distinctly remember seeing my precious baby kick my bladder so hard that I
took care of emptying my bladder right there on the table!  Sweet child! :-)

Kelly
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:27:30 GMT
Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


You wouldn't trust an adult child's feelings about her own mother's
parenting ability?  What better judge could there be?
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:06:40 GMT
Subject: Early music training
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Emily, our 4 year old, will be enrolling in a new preschool in
September.  This preschool also happens to have a Suzuki method
violin class that can be attended as an add-on.  My husband and I
have spent a lot of time in our lives on musical pursuits, and my
husband in fact played the violin for many years.  Emily likes to
be able to do things that we can do, therefore she's said that 
she'd like to learn to play (of course she probably has very little
idea at this point whether she'd like to play or not).  I know personally 
of many parents who've put their kids in these early classes, only to be
disappointed that it doesn't work out (the kid hates it and musical
instruments forever more, or the kid likes it but won't practice, or 
kid feels pushed by parents, etc.).  I myself always vowed I would not 
be a pushy stage parent, and I'm hoping to remain true to my resolve, 
but on the other hand, this could be a positive experience and 
we won't know how it might turn out if we don't give it a chance.  
Does anybody have a success story with early music training (ie. kid 
loves it, parents love it, everybody's happy), or is this a useless
endeavor?  Our goals for the training would be a fun activity for 
Emily and a fun one for our family if we all can play together.

Thanks,
Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
From: miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birthday Present?  9 y/o Girl
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:02:49 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplanes MR&D

If you do go with the rollerblades, I suggest you also include a pair
of knee and elbow pads as well as a helmet. 

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From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Waterbeds and newborns
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:16:56 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

babcock@manticore.Eng.Sun.COM (Gigi Babcock, Mgr IBM Connectivity) writes:

-> I understand that newborns on waterbeds can be a problem. What is
-> the problem and what does one have to watch out for? We have a waveless

We had a waveless waterbed too, and we had no problems with keeping
our firstborn in bed.  He was due (and born) in December, too!

We had a similar type of waterbed to yours, but with hard sides.  You
learn to sleep...well...differently.  It's not a lighter sleep...
perhaps a more aware one.  Sort of the same way you manage not to
fall off the bed without having to be awake to be aware of the edge.

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Right Start Catalog
From: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 07:01:26 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University

Could someone please send me the phone number for the Right Start
Catalog?  I ordered on item from them early in July, and have yet
to receive it.  Unfortunately since my baby has come I seem to have
misplaced the catalog with the number, so I have no way to contact
them to see if the item is being shipped soon (nor can I see how
long they said to wait before shipping would occur).

Thanks,

Ellen
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:07:35 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

In article <ANNE.92Aug31184907@dolores.Stanford.EDU> anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson) writes:
>  It may be that Mia Farrow is
>neglecting her children, but plenty of parents of big families don't.
>Anyway, I don't trust a 21-year-old to judge her mother's parenting
>ability.
>
Especially when said 21-year-old is sleeping with her mom's ex-SO.

By the way, Mia has a nanny, so she does have help in caring for all
these kids (of course, I guess most people in Mia's income bracket have
nannies.)

Michele G.