From: Raymond_Shaw@mindlink.bc.ca (Raymond Shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Crop Circles
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:15:37 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
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I have been following the various postings on Crop Circles and thought people
in this group might find an interview with Colin Andrews (founder of Circles
Phenomenon Research, an internatiional organization dedicated to the
investigation of the crop formations) by Monte Leach, USA editor for Share
International magazine, of interest.  This interview is excerpted from the
July/August 1992 issue of Share International.


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THE SIGNS HAVE ARRIVED


Interview with Colin Andrews
by Monte Leach



        Colin Andrews is an electrical engineer and former senior officer with
local government in West Hampshire, England.  He is founder of Circles
Phenomenon Research, an international organization dedicated to the
investigation of the crop formations.  His 1989 international best-selling book
Circular Evidence, co-authored with Pat Delgado, brought widespread attention
to the phenomenon, and has been translated into Japanese, German, Spanish, and
Italian.  A more recent book, The Latest Evidence, was published in 1990 (see
Share International July/August 1991). Monte Leach interviewed him.



SI:  What is the latest update on the crop circle phenomenon?


CA:  We have been showing evidence, arrived at by a German distillation process
at HSC laboratory, at Stroud in Gloucestershire, that there had been a change
in the crystalline structure of the [crop circle] plants.  This is an
unconventional process that's worried a lot of scientists, who were concerned
that we were travelling up the wrong road in our research.
        I disagreed, and continue to disagree.  But because it was an
unconventional approach, we had to find a laboratory prepared and equipped to
undertake more conventional analytical processes.  Dr W.C. Levengood, a
biophysicist and plant expert in Michigan, took up the challenge.  He already
has secured two major discoveries.  One is that the cells at the nodal point,
the point at which the plants bend, about a half to one inch above ground
level, have fractured and scarred.  That cannot occur by the trampling of feet,
or whirlwinds, or the other processes that we hear about.  Dr Levengood is not
able to state precisely what causes that to happen, but is suggesting that it
is due to a rapid increase in temperature within the plant.  This fracturing
and scarring of the cell structure supports the HSC Laboratory results.


SI:  What was the other important finding?


CA:  Dr Levengood planted the seeds from the cereal crops involved in this
phenomenon (those that were involved last year) and germinated them in
environmentally-sound conditions.  He found that the date at which the plants
germinated was consistent with the controls, the plants outside of the crop
circle area.  What he then found, and this is consistent with what we have been
looking at over the years, is that the plant growth is positive.  That is to
say, the plants, once they've germinated, grew at a very much more accelerated
rate above ground level [than the control samples].  The root structure was
also much more extensive and healthy below ground level, as compared with the
control samples -- indeed many-fold healthier and more productive.  That, too,
is a very important discovery.  The plants were taken from three sites in the
world -- Australia, America, and Great Britain.  We're looking at a consistency
here.  Again, comparing that with wind damage, hoaxing, and trampling by human
feet, it isn't an effect than can be replicated.




SI:  Will these results be published in any way?


CA:  Yes, they will be. In fact, in a limited way, they have already been
published recently.*


SI:  Are there any other developments with the scientific research?


CA:  Yes, the work of Gerald Hawkins, the respected scientist in Washington,
DC, who has written books on the geometry of Stonehenge.




SI:  What has he found with the crop circles?


CA:  It's looking very exciting indeed.  Prior to the launch of Circular
Evidence, we had an 'uncontaminated' period, a period during which -- I would
pretty well put my life on it -- we were not receiving any hoaxes at all. Since
the book was launched, the public became aware that something unusual was going
on, and of course now we have a high number of claims of hoaxes and indeed
physical hoaxes as well.
        But in the crop formations of that pre-contaminated period prior to
1989, what Gerald Hawkins has proven is that, well beyond a chance of over 90
per cent, we are looking at diatonic ratios within the crop circles.  And
perhaps we're looking at ancient geometry which could relate to sound itself,
because these are the same ratios which underlie the diatonic scale in music.
It's an extremely significant development.  What's for sure is that I doubt if
there is any hoaxer in the world who would begin to even know what it is we're
talking about, let alone calculate his handiwork to compare ancient diatonic
ratios of that kind.




The Gulf Breeze incident


SI:  Anything that we can look forward to in the coming months?


CA:  Early this summer, there's going to be a surveillance operation.  It will
be similar to what happened when I planned Operation Blackbird with the British
Army, but it will involve no media whatsoever.  It will be confidential.  A
site has been chosen.  It's in central-southern England, and it will be at a
site where the ground markings have appeared regularly, and also where aerial
phenomena are occurring regularly.
        We're interested in those two particular elements because of a major
development which took place in Gulf Breeze, Florida, on 13 March this year.

SI:  This is your work with Steven Greer?


CA:  We've been working with Dr Steven Greer, a physician here in the US. He's
now heading his own SETI project [Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence],
and has worked out over a period of 18 months a protocol for interaction with
an airborne object.  He took his team of 33 observers to Gulf Breeze, opposite
the Pensacola military establishment there.
        On 13 March, his team of 33 observers established their position. Using
powerful one million candle-watt search beams they formed a triangle of light
in the sky.  Within seconds five white lights with orange balls on the under
side appeared, moved across the sky and took up position at the triangle's
apex.  They maintained this position.
        In the next stage Steven flashed the search beam at a pre-determined
rate onto one of the objects.  Meanwhile, everything was being filmed on video
camaras.  There were, I believe, another 20 or so members of the public
observing this from six other locations around Gulf Breeze.  The team then
traced a course with a beam from above the five objects down onto the beach,
suggesting to the objects that they move along this line to ground level.  Two
objects broke away from the five, and moved along that beam.  But they stopped,
took up a hovering position directly over the observers there.  They maintained
their position for quite some while, and at that point, through binoculars, all
of them, Steven included, could see the structural detail of those objects.  At
this point, the objects gave out two flashes of white light, and all of them,
the two and the remaining three, just simply disappeared.
        A CBS television film crew was there on the following Tuesday filming
something quite different.  Some of Steven's team were still in the area.  I
don't know how they made contact with one another, but apparently they
suggested to CBS that they should stay and that Steven's team would have a
second try at this.  They did, and the television crew filmed two UFOs, which
responded similarly.  Quite an extraordinary case.
        If it is as reported, we have something here of great importance.
Steven and his team will be coming over to Britain, and carrying on that
particular process over the fields where these markings have appeared. I have a
very positive feeling about this, as Steven does himself.  We may well be
entering a critical phase.


Response to a sick molecule


SI:  Could you talk a bit about what you believe the crop circles mean?

CA:  We are entering a very crucial and important phase in our evolution.  The
crop markings are only a part of a major shift in the consciousness of mankind,
and moving us forward, probably the biggest leap forward in our evolution in
history.
        In terms of this planet, I believe that we are looking at a single,
living molecule.  The Gaia theory makes perfect sense to me, that we are indeed
looking at a living planet, a living organism.  It's what the indigenous
peoples have always tried to tell us.  They have survived only because they
have understood how to interact with nature.  They found their place in nature.
We are here in a material way, and are on a course to folly.  We have a limited
time to put things right.  It's 10 seconds to midnight.  Unless we learn to
harmonize, to interact with all living things, I'm afraid we are going to see
the closing down of a living organism on which we rely.  This message is also
coming from those who are working in pure science right now.  We have a big
problem.  The planet has a big problem.  The evidence is there.
        I believe that the crop circles are graphic markings that have within
them, in their entirety, a meaning.  That meaning, and the response to that
visual intake, is automatic, because it's within our blueprint.  It is within
us subconsciously to recognize them.  Many people feel this, but they are
unable to establish where they've seen them before.
        It is, I believe, part of the change of consciousness.  There are high
levels of energy which are being intelligently placed into position in critical
parts of the planet.  These, if you like, are probably the chakra points, to
give it a term, important energy points of the living organism.  They are not
random, and they have never been random.  They are at specific points, and they
recur at those locations.  I believe that they are occurring literally at the
interface between this dimension of the world that we know quite a lot about
and those other dimensions of which we know so very little.  We are beginning
to see that we can interact in a limited way, directly with other dimensions.
        We are seeing, I think, the reaction of the brain end of the universe,
the thinking end, which is automatically responding to a very sick molecule. If
you were to cut your finger, the brain end of your universe, your head, would
react subconsciously to that.  You certainly wouldn't be saying, "Send me
haemoglobin and white corpuscles."  But the brain end automatically responds.
If we could watch the processes going on within your framed universe, what we
would see in a microscope is white blood corpuscles moving to that point and
interacting.  The behavioural tendency would be the equivalent of the UFO. That
would be the UFO response from the brain-end of the universe to this planet.
That's the analogy.


The manifestation to come


SI:  In the video 'Undeniable Evidence' you say that this crop circle
phenomenon is leading to a manifestation of some type. What do you think is
going to happen?

CA:  I have felt for quite some years that we are certainly going to experience
something of great magnitude.  It is going to be very soon.  We are going to
encounter something here which I don't think any man or woman is going to
doubt.
        This coming few months is going to see one or two events which are
going to shake the world.  It is going to focus our attention and the reality
of knowing we are not the only thinking components of this living planet.  We
are going to be stunned into accepting that we have much more to consider.


SI:  Do you have a bottom line? Do you know what it's going to be, but hesitate
to make it known in public?

CA:  I do, because I still feel it is most important at this juncture, as it
has been for the last 10 years, that this research, this effort at
disseminating what we already know about this phenomenon, must be kept
rational.


SI:  You believe this event will take place soon, and will leave no doubt that
we are not alone here. Is that the main purpose of these events?

CA:  It is indeed.  We will be receiving assistance of new knowledge, new
abilities, because we will be working at a different level.  We will see
manifestations of the Fatima** type.  That is the picture that is in my mind.
It is a very clear picture.  I see certainly a Fatima-type experience
occurring. I believe it will be in the vicinity of Silbury Hill, Stonehenge,
Avebury in southern England, because that's where the focus of attention is.
There has to be a reason why this is happening right there.  Having said that,
I believe that will be the door opener.  The whole world is going to experience
something of tremendous importance.


Close to a Golden Age


SI:  What you are saying correlates in some ways with Benjamin Creme's message.

CA:  I would like to say on the record that I have great respect for Benjamin
Creme's work.  Indeed, I hope to meet him.  I have read a fair bit of your
magazine, in fact.
        The thinking end, the brain end of the universe is the way I have been
putting it in recent times.  We could easily fall out with society here because
there is potential for great difficulty when we are talking about the thinking
component of the universe.  That could be Jesus.  It could be God.  It could be
extraterrestrial.  It could be high nature.  I don't feel that we have time to
fall out over that.  We have something which has thought, something which is
intelligently interacting with us, and providing us with proof of its
existence.


SI:  I believe that all of these phenomena are very much connected. I think the
appearance of the Teacher, the crop circles, the UFOs, are all working together
to raise the consciousness of humanity. That's my opinion.

CA:  It's one that I share totally.  We are living in special times.  There is
no doubt that at this time next year, the world is going to be very different.
We are living very close to a Golden Age.  I really feel that.  But equally,
one has to say a word of warning, that always there are equal quantities of
blackness right alongside.  It's as easy to get it wrong as it is to get it
right.  We have to put out that white light, to put out there positive
thinking, with sincerity and good heart.  At the end of the day, we'll be doing
all we possibly can for humanity.
        It is also worth bearing in mind the Hopi Indian prophecy.  We have
reached a stage at the very end of the evolutionary path where the Hopi are
awaiting the white man who left their land to return with the missing piece of
a tablet on which there will be the signs.  I would suggest to you that if we
can focus our attention on the crop circles and the interaction with the UFO,
in the very near future we will appreciate that the signs have arrived.  As the
Hopi prophecy shows, we are about to hold and shake the hand of the Spirit, the
very Spirit that started us on this path.



*Linda Moulton Howe, an award-winning documentary filmmaker and a UFO
researcher, has helped to co-ordinate Dr Levengood's work.  Howe had these
comments at a recent conference in San Francisco:
        "Dr Levengood has found under microscopic examination that in the
plants that were affected, the cell pits -- the tiny holes in cells of plants
where fluid moves back and forth, and keep the plants growing and healthy --
have been expanded.  The only way that Dr Levengood could duplicate this cell
pit separation was to put plants inside of a microwave for up to 30 seconds.
He's not saying that it's microwave radiation that did it.  He's saying that
rapid heating was the only way he could duplicate the cell pit separation in
the plants.
        "Further, a nuclear design engineer in Tennessee has done preliminary
work on some soil samples and has found that there were three different types
of isotope changes that were found in the soil underneath at least two crop
formations.  That work is now considered to be tentative.  They need many more
soil samples from many more formations to make any kind of definitive
scientific presentation.  But at least the preliminary findings are intriguing
because they suggest that some kind of energy is being applied in the formation
of these crop circles that is not understood."



**Three children in Fatima, Portugal, reported a series of visions of the
Virgin Mary in 1917.  The experiences culminated in October of that year in a
manifestation which included miraculous phenomena witnessed by thousands.


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