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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:08:24 EDT
From:         "Nick Gavrielatos" <ucnick@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Direct info (Modem dialup)

I've only received 3 replies so far....
Isnt there any interest or is everybody
out on a long labor day weekend?

Nick Gavrielatos
ucnick@socrates.umd.edu
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:55:17 EDT
From:         "Nick Gavrielatos" <ucnick@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Access to Bitnet/Internet

> determination.
>


That was me Gary, thank you very much for all your help.
I did call Bitnet, they are here in Washington DC, kai
they sent me an application and let me know about the
cost etc. They told me that since SCI is a "for-profit"
institution they will charge more than a non-profit
but the restrictions about commercial issues are
not as big of a problem as they used to be.
Thanks again,

Nick Gavrielatos
ucnick@socrates.umd.edu
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:54:00 -0800
From:         John Halperin <JXH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Charlatans

> Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:14:19 EDT
> From:         "Collins, Herman" <SYSHERM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
>
> How many MAILER sites out there are using "allow-charlatans=FALSE" in
> their MAILER PROFILEs?  We've traditionally done this for the small
> amount of protection that it provides against forged mail.

Add SLACVM to the list of MAILERs running with "allow-charlatans=FALSE".

> However, we've been seeing an increasing number of hosts that
> send out mail that is rejected by our MAILER.  Usually the RSCS
> tag will say something like "JDOE@UNIVM" while the mail headers
> will say something like "jdoe@vm.uni.edu".

Most of the rejects I've seen have been from a few Jnet/PMDF
sites who haven't registered (or have mis-registered) their
SMTPUSER mailer id.

--  John Halperin  <JXH@SLACVM.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
    Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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From:  loa@ibc2.irkutsk.su (Lebedeva Olga Alexandrovna)
Subject: Travel around Lake Baikal and climbing hiqher 7000m
Reply-To: loa@ibc2.irkutsk.su
Organization: Irkutsk Bysness Centre
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:03:44 +0400

Tourist company "Baikalcomplex" offer different types of TRAVEL
at the region of the world-famouse LAKE BAIKAL and SIBIRIA:
walks, treks and adventures (foot,canoe,rifting, lease of ships,
fishing, skin dising, mountain bycycles,cross country ski, motor
sledge and etc.)
    Also CLIMBING of the all regions of the USSR, include SUMMITS
higher 7000m above level sea.
    Big discount for groups, consisting of only students and
youngmen.
    Will be glad contact with tourist companes.

        Apply for details:
1. 664029 Russia Irkutsk-29
   P.O.Box 3598 "Baikalcomplex"
2. Telex: 231522 BTB SU Att. "Baikalcomplex"
3. Fax: 095/4202106 Att. "Baikalcomplex"
4. Phone: 3952/462437
5. E-mail: loa@ibc2.irkutsk.su







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From:         "James Woolley, Lafayette College" <WOOLLEYJ@LAFAYETT>
Subject:      Re: Arrival of NB4
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I believe the screen-color information is recorded in nb.com,
though without updating the file's date and time.

While the new color-selection menu is ingenious and at times
exhilirating, it can also be confusing, in that you can choose
colors that make the menu indicator-bars invisible. It would be
nice if there were an easy way to return to the default colors,
short of reinstalling NB.

Am I right in thinking that you can choose a different set of
colors for each "symbol set"?

James Woolley, Lafayette College
woolleyj@lafvax.lafayette.edu
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From:         "J-P Takala, PL35 00931 HKi, 3432619" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      Re: Graphics and NBx
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Thanks to Mark Szuchman for an informative comment on NB and
different graphics packages.  Notabeneeri may be happiest with
such ones that can print to disk without form feeds, or FFs that
are easily undone.  However, I must say that some other word processors
can use one or another of the graphic information file forms that
Harvard Graphics produces.  NB is just so much better otherwise...

I was intrigued by Mark Szuchman's comment on SPSS and graphics.
I know I can use SPSS/PC's character based quasi graphics but
the resolution is far too coarse for most needs.  But this isn't
what you meant, Mark?  Are you talking about the old PC, DOS
SPSS or the new Windows version of the program?

Jukka-Pekka Takala
internet: JTAKALA@cc.Helsinki.Fi
From: pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul J. Bodin)
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Subject: Re: grants and margins
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:58:21 GMT
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> I haven't installed NB4 yet so I'm following this discussion with interest.
> This choice between "printer" and "program" is confusing.  If you answer
> "program" to where control of the printer should lie, this means you give up
> software control via print commands??
>

Not at all.  The choice is between letting the printer determine the
first printed line by default and having NB's printer driver over-ride
the default and control this directly.  Either method should be
transparent to the user, although different results might ensue.  All
of the print command variations normal to NB would be available in
either case.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:36:42 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      RE: Converting NB3 keyboard table
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>From: VANDIJK@ALF.LET.UVA.NL
>you to write e.g. C-p or CSA-Enter on the command line (after

>pressing a key calling that program, called FINDKEYS) wil
>will automatically bring you to the correct key number for
>Control-p or Control-Shift-Alt-Enter instead of constantly
>paging through the file, checking which number corresponds
>with what key, etc. (if one has no key-names attached to
>the numbers as I had in the NB3 version). This makes changing
>the keyboard very fast and efficient, also for constantly

>Teun A. van Dijk

Any chance I could sweet-talk you into send FINDKEYS also
to Tel-Aviv for distribution?  Sounds terrific.

Robert Braham
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:57:45 CDT
From:         Tom Dolan <Dolan@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>
Subject:      NB 4.0 video
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I loaded NB 4.0 as instructed - everything seemed to go smooth - I loaded
Orbis and Lingua also from the disk provided.  When I enter NB at the Dos
prompt the screen goes to the correct default colors (Gold on Purple) but
the characters are unreadable  - There are just a bunch of colored dots on
a purple background.  I can type QUIT<Enter> and get out of the program but
I can't read anything I type.  This is very frustrating to a non-technical
user who is hoping NB 4.0 will solve some problems printing greek and
hebrew in documents.  My view of NB isn't looking good when a simple
install doesn't work.

Help please.

Tom Dolan           Dolan@Acuvax.acu.edu
Systems Manager
College of Biblical Studies
Abilene Christian University
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From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Something not to do...
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Here's something interesting. I run Desqview 386 with the stealth option,
along with the PC-Kwik Power Pak (Cache, ramdisk, spooler sharing common
memory pool). I decided to try running NB 4.0 with the spell checking
as you type (something I don't usually do). I have the program set up to
load the dictionary mostly in EMS. Big mistake. System starts acting funky.
Long, continuous SPONTANEOUS hard drive access. No response to keyboard.
Desqview switches windows once then stops. Requires cold boot.
I went into a cold sweat and required a warm drink. Fortunately, no permanent
damage to the FAT or anything. I think I'll lay off that spelling dictionary
for a while. I still haven't found a keyboard conflict setting that seems
to eliminate all problems. Seems to be a trade-off between menu system
problems, unsolicited character entry, and sticky shift keys. Do I need this?

Oy.

Michael Jasper
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 92 23:00:43 EDT
From:         "Tony St.Quintin" <100034.756@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      NB4 - Manic cursor
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One of the features of early release (and late beta?) versions of NB4
is that values for NBK1 and NBK2 may be reversed.
 Delay should be contained in NBK2 in milliseconds
 Repeat rate should be in NBK1 in characters per second
These are to be found in nbcustom.set

NBCUSTOM.HLP can be changed to do this automatically.

I hope this is of some help.

Tony.
____________________________________________________________________
All UK user upgrades (even unto the 169th [BTW I think 504 is a
better estimate #8-)#### {smiley needing a haircut, with glasses and
a pseudo Mennonite beard}]) will be despatched by Thursday 17
September.
____________________________________________________________________
A bachelor is a man who never made the same mistake once.

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From:         John Thomas Dayton <tdayton@CTT.BELLCORE.COM>
Subject:      Windows NT
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              from"DICK%SIENA.bitnet@taunivm.tau.ac.il" at Sep 13, 92 8:42 pm

> this fall. What do people think; would it be best to wait until Windows NT is
> released as long as multitasking is not immediately necessary?
>         Michael Dick
>         Dick@Siena
>
For the purposes of almost everyone on this list, Windows NT is NOT being
released this fall!  The developer's toolkit has
already been released (I'm about to have it installed on my PC), but the
average user is going to have to wait (many?) more months for a stable
version.  Also, be warned that many of OS/2's problems (bugs, delays,
large RAM and hard disk needs) are going to be present in Windows NT,
since OS/2 and Windows NT share rather ambitious technical goals
that earlier dogged UNIX.  In short, don't hold your breath, if you are
a user with little patience for adjusting one's operating system.

--
Tom Dayton  (John Thomas Dayton, Jr.)
Bellcore, RRC 1H226, 444 Hoes Lane, Piscataway NJ 08854 USA
tdayton@ctt.bellcore.com
(908)699-6843 voice, (908)336-2969 fax
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:54:52 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: grants and margins
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> Unfortunately, getting the grant out was no thanks to NBI. I found another
> interesting bug. The top margin command doesn't seem to work right.
> I kept trying to increase the margin, but couldn't get it past line 3,
> no matter what setting I used. Putting in a running header with carriage
> returns worked fine, but TP 7 did squat. Anyone else find this? Not a
> trivial bug.

TPn works as expected for me in the NB4/Lingua beta version I am
using.  Hope the production release hasn't screwed something up...

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:12:18 PDT
From:         Phillip C Boardman <boardman@EQUINOX.UNR.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Is NB4 (much) slower?
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              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>"Re: Is NB4
              (much) slower?" (Sep 11, 12:56pm)

I am using the July beta on an XT clone.  Working with a very large file (a
subject bibliography created in NB3.1) with many point size changes I
noticed that the cursor slowed to a crawl.  In lines set at PT 14 or larger
it would sometimes take a second to move each space or to move up and down
a line.  Regularly repeated deleat or backdelete strokes would outpace the
cursor, often leading to the loss of too many characters.  I agree that
NB4 seems slower, at least in complicated files.

Phil Boardman
University of Nevada
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 92 09:30:00 CST
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Could someone out there send me full command to Listserv for temporarily
stopping mail to my address?  In my Beginner's Guide, I have NOMAIL/MAIL
noted for purposes of temporary stoppage, unstoppage; however, however I
send NOMAIL, I get no results.

J. P. EARLS / ST.JOHN'S UNIV. / COLLEGEVILLE, MN
                                         56321 / JEARLS%TINY@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:54:43 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      RE: NB 4.0 video
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>From: Tom Dolan <Dolan@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>

>I loaded NB 4.0 as instructed - everything seemed to go smooth - I loaded
>Orbis and Lingua also from the disk provided.  When I enter NB at the Dos
>prompt the screen goes to the correct default colors (Gold on Purple) but
>the characters are unreadable  - There are just a bunch of colored dots on
>a purple background.  I can type QUIT<Enter> and get out of the program but
>I can't read anything I type.  This is very frustrating to a non-technical

Type "nb /b" at the command line, instead of simply "nb"; this
forces the video routines to use the BIOS (he said impressively,
parroting the instructions given to me by Paul Bodin a month
ago.  If Paul hadn't told me what to do I'd still be at
square one.  Why this isn't even in the preliminary docs [sic]
is beyond me.

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 92 14:14:27 CDT
From:         "Richard J. Betts" <RBETTS@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Arrival of NB4
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NB4 arrived Friday in Central Illinois.  I loaded it without difficulty, but
haven't used it much so I can't comment on bugs.  I am bit mystified as to
customization.  I changed the screen color extensively with the menu, but
could not find a file that was written to at the time I made the changes.
Does anyone know how NB4 handles screen color specifications and whether they
are in a file that can be modifed directly, as the old DEFAULT.SET could be?
I ask because the menu system in NB4 doesn't do it quite my way.
Richard J. Betts
University of Illinois
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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Import SLS to Lingua
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David Reimer writes:

> This question is based on my copy of Lingau *beta*, not the final
> release.
>
> I have a 5 page document which makes liberal use of cellular tables.
> This is roughly what we've got:
>
> Col 1   Col 2                 Col 3                Col 4
> Bold    Normal Hebrew         Normal Greek         Normal Roman
> Roman
>
> I just tried importing this document to Lingua. Wherever the Greek or
> Hebrew is *outside* the cellular tables, it was handled fine. However,
> the tables (quite a few hours of work there!) are a mess. Does anyone
> know of a way to have the tables come across properly? or doctor them
> in a relatively pain-free operation so that they display properly?

I suspect this is because the languages are set in cellular tables
using the (now obsolete in NB4) MD mode commands.  Language is changed
in Lingua using LA deltas.  You might want to try changing them
manually--for example search for the MDHN normal Hebrew sequence and
replace it with a simple LA4 sequence.  Note that this may be in a SS
delta rather than in a simple command delta of its own!

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 92 14:34:24 EDT
From:         "David H. Hesla" <ILADHH@EMUVM1>
Subject:      SIEBERT'S BEARD
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In response to Paul  Bodin's information to the effect that  S. Siebert is now
clean-shaven I must  ask, "Is nothing sacred?" Or is  it perhaps an indication
that  DFI is  now going  to come  clean about  its prospects  for the  future?
Every indication  is that the preparation  and shipping of NB4.0  was indeed a
hairy operation--that it was a close shave  getting it out at all. Certainly th
the frequent delays in shipping put some  of us into a lather. For myself, then
I shall endeavor to put the best  construction on all that DFI does, and shall
read these  news as portending  a future that is  smoother than the  rough and
stubbly  months of  the recent  past. Let  us adopt  Figaro as  our guide  and
psychopomp and  cicerone into the age  of NB 4.0, and  offer up sweet-smelling
sacrifices of bay rum, 4711, and Old Spice by way propitiating the Lord of the
Bugs.


DAVID H. HESLA
GRADUATE INSTITUTE OF THE LIBERAL ARTS
EMORY UNIVERSITY
ATLANTA GA 30322
ILADHH@EMUVM1
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From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      grants and margins
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Ha!!! I finished my damned NRSA. The money should be rolling in any day
now right? Right.

Unfortunately, getting the grant out was no thanks to NBI. I found another
interesting bug. The top margin command doesn't seem to work right.
I kept trying to increase the margin, but couldn't get it past line 3,
no matter what setting I used. Putting in a running header with carriage
returns worked fine, but TP 7 did squat. Anyone else find this? Not a
trivial bug.

Michael "one tired but relieved camper" Jasper
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 92 14:34:40 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Re: transparent? translucent? opaque?
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>those of you who are about to install Lingua, don't forget to also
>install the appropriate Lingua printer.  The NB4 printer driver will
[deleted . . ]
>Then, if that weren't enough, you must activate the printer you
>installed!  NOTE WELL!!!! -- *THIS* is the time to edit the printer

>Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

In my pre-release(?) version of NB4, I must _re_-activate the printer
(not reinstall it) _every_ session.  The "make change permanent" write
to nbcustom.set, doesn't seem to take.  Perhaps this has carried over
to your version, whatever it may be.

Robert Braham
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 92 01:50:19 IST
From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Orbis Formats
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Somewhere in the stuff that came with my "official" version 4 release, I read
that the pre-releaseof Orbis that came with the sort-of-not-prelease of
NB 4 specifically could not use any of the predefined formats except
the first two, I think. You'll have to wait for the real thing (?) to use
the other formats. Don't hold your breath.

Also, regarding that CTRL_SHFT underlining problem that no one else seems to
have, I found that when I moved the key definition to another key, it worked
fine - for instance, the exact same definition worked on the CTRL_SHFT U key,
but not CS-2. I tried with and without an NI function at the beginning - didn't
matter. Any insights? Has anyone else reproduced any of the bugs I spoke of?
Also, playing around in Desqview, I changed the Keyboard conflict from 5 to
C -- so far, the menu malfunction involving getting stuck beyond the first line,
 has gone away. Can't imagine why the two would be related.

Boy, this stuff makes love seem simple. Ha.

Michael Jasper
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