From: moyj@vccnorthd.its.rpi.edu (Jayson Moy)
Subject: Re: CARDS: Discussion of UD football
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:18:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.180338.25188@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
>Look at this...a card post that is not a forsale, auction,
>or want list.
>

About time huh? :-)

>I've gone through my first couple of boxes of Upper Deck
>football ('92).  Two comments:
>
>1. Decollation is normal UD (cruddy, especially considering
>   this is a 400 card set)
>
>2. I think they've gone INSERT CRAZY.
>

I totally agree with you on this. I myself went through 3 boxes and
have yet to finish a set, but I sure have all the Cleveland Brown
Team Art checklists I could ever want.

>Does anyone have a list of just exactly what all the inserts 
>this year are?  We have the Walter Paytons, the holograms,
>I'm sure SP3 will be there somewhere,

Here is the complete list:
10 Card Walter Payton Heroes Set
16 Card UV Coated Pro Bowl Set
1 SP3 Card
50 Card subset of Gold Holograms

 and a whole set of 
>top prospects (I think that's what they are called) that
>aren't part of the regular set.  One of the packs in my first
>box was *just* inserts.  The crappy part is that inside this
>pack of 15 were doubles for four or five of the cards.
>How many cards are in this set?  The last one I have is numbered
>G22 (I think).
>

Here's the scoop on the G cards. There is a minimum of 1 pack in every
box which has 15 "G" cards. The differentiating fact is that it contains
a Gold holo instead of a silver holo. There are 50 cards in this subset.
Here's the catch. All of these players are either unsigned or are not in
the appropriate union. Therefore we see Jim Kelly cards, Bernie Kosar
cards, Steve Emtman cards and so on. Interesting, we'll see what kind of
legal hassles UD gets into for this.

>There's also an UGLY set of rainbow Pro Bowl inserts.  There's at least
>four of these because the one I've found is numbered PB4.
>

Now now, I disagree, I like the Pro Bowl inserts. There are 16 of these.
Actually only 15, because there is a checklist card. The 2 hottest ones here
should be the Emmit Smith/Marion Butts and Thurman Thomas/Barry Sanders.
Oh, forgot to mention that there are two players on each card, and each photo
is actually taken during the Pro Bowl game itself.

>Man, I like the heroes series, but this is freaking ridiculous.
>

Here is the kicker I believe. I helped my friend break down an entire case.
He did not finish a complete Payton series, he did not complete a Pro Bowl
set, he did not get one SP card, and he only got 20 sets. People at the shows
were saying that the inserts are now worse than the Wests were in the Basketball
Hi numbers.

>As a complete sidenote, decollation in '92 Fleer FB sucks large rocks.
>Two boxes didn't come close to making a set.

Hmmm. Must have been bad boxes, I finished a set out of one box.

  Now I find sets at
>shows for 12 bucks.

Does Rookie Sensations ring a bell??

  I remember when I was one of those who said
>"Putting together a set from packs is fun."  Right.  There comes a
>point when economics force you to balance "fun" with funds.  And
>it isn't that fun to have 10 Andy Hecks.  But at least that part
>does hark back to my youth and Topps.  
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I agree though, UD collation bites, the chase cards are harder to chase,
and this is getting out of hand!!!

Jayson Moy
moyj@rpi.edu