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From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Gaijin-Gaikokujin (Was: Please give your opinions...)
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:02:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.120220.28057
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

ee152fdm@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:  mc>
masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes: mm>

mc> I HATE being called "gaijin-san". How would you like being
mc> called "Mr. Japanese", or "Mr. Alien"? It's the same thing.

mm> "Yoso-mono" would be the closer concept to "alien."
mm> I wouldn't be offended by "Mr. Japanese" as long as it's used in an
mm> friendly manner.
mm> [...]

mm>  The reason why I've been trying to correct the wrong "gaijin" myth is that
mm>this misunderstanding could cause an unnecessary conflict between innocent 
mm>foreigners and innocent Japanese. 
mm> If you can tell the intention of the speakers from their attitude or
mm>voice, it might be better not to attach a biased nuance to a "neutral" word 
mm>beforehand. More simply, tell your friends to be offended when Japanese 
mm>showed a condescending attitude instead of telling them to be offended when
mm>Japanese use the word "gaijin" to them.

There's 2 points I'd like to add to this.

o Aside from whether or not "gaijin" or "gaijin-san" is used with malicious
  intent, or that these terms may eventually go the way of "negro", there is 
  an issue of one's expectation.  I'm guessing that since Covington-san had 
  lived in Japan for a long time, it would seem offensive (to her) if she 
  had to be reminded all the time that, after all these years, she's still 
  an "outside-person".  A corollary to this is that if Masuda-san had grown
  up in the US, he might feel differently about "Mr. Japanese". :-)

o There are some people who are paranoid about others surrepticiously offending
  them. This fear may be the result of a likely movie scene in which a main
  character is smiling and awkwardly bowing while a smiley Japanese guy refers
  to the guy's "mother".  Of course the audience would know what's being said 
  because there's subtitle :-).  This sounds silly but I've met people like
  this.  If you are one of these people, please don't proceed to slug your
  Japanese acquaintances at the sound of the word "gaijin-san".  As yet, it
  is not universally used with offensive intent (see Masuada-san's post above).
From: barua@plains.NoDak.edu (Soumen Barua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Phone
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:55:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxH10I.HEC
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Last night I had few dreams. In one of them it seemed like Sony had developed 
a phone looked like a celular phone. That phone is extremely advanced. I heard a
voice which said that nobody was even been able to make a forgery of the phone.
(I assume it meant nobody could make a copy). I think the name of the phone
was "oki" phone. (Is there a phone by Sony called oki phone?).
Then I saw a friend of mine along with his girlfriend(she was Japanese) waiting
for a ride. What is the procedure to go to Japan?
From: p-kun@blacklabel.Japan.Sun.COM (Kevin Parrington - Nihon Sun Logistics)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: address of Hattori family for condolences?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 06:54:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: soc
NNTP-Posting-Host: blacklabel.japan.sun.com

In article <HUTTAR.92Nov5150456@ief.itg.ti.com> huttar@ief.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar) writes:
>
>Anyway, my real reason for posting here was, does anyone know an address
>(of the Hattori family) to which condolences can be sent?  I realize it's
>kind of late but maybe not too late.
>And how about some recommendations on making this letter fit in culturally?
>What kind of letter is acceptable to send to a grieving family?
>

	Lars et all,

	Please don't flame me for what I am about to say...
	Lars wish to express his condolences is a very thoughtful
	idea.  Might I suggest something more, the Hattori family
	has been collecting signatures for petitions to be sent
	to President-elect Clinton and PM Miazawa calling for
	stronger gun control laws...just an idea.

kp
From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47 COLLEGE STUDENTS IN RO
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:00:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.17411
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Nobuyasu Kanekawa <kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu> writes in
Msg-ID: <1992Nov11.193047.11080@cs.ucla.edu>

>        Once I saw a confrontation between right-wing group and
> anti-war demonstrators came from Yoyogi park at Shibuya station.
> There were dozens of right-wing members, hundreds of demonstrators
> and dozens of riot-police officers.  In addition, the intersection
> was crowded with thousands of spectators (Yajiuma).
>
>       In such situations, you can spectate quite safely in Japan as
> if you watch on TV.

Unfortunately in the US, such is not the case as the L.A. riots earlier this
year showed us.

Locally in BC.CA (British Columbia Canada), a young man was brutally beaten,
his only crime being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Where was he?
Oh, he was watching some youths who'd been beating on another kid that were
shooed away by a sympathethic neighbour.

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From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:09:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.194110.5133@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.064635.26650@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp> kono@csl.sony.co.jp writes:
.....
>>    Shoot something other than Hattori's body,
>
>Bad idea; a .44 makes a big hole if fired at the wrong thing.

   So does it when fired at the "right" thing, doesn't it?

--Michiaki
From: tom@dingo.imagen.com (tom lowdermilk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Changing names in Nippon.
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:46:39 GMT
Reply-To: tom@dingo.imagen.com (tom lowdermilk)
Organization: imagen

In article <SMITTIE.92Nov12124533@tui.csulb.edu>, smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
|> >So harsh, woodcock!  Come on, people, Asano's mom died, least you could give
|> >him practical advice at the least.
|> 

ofcourse,... follow your mother's example.


tjl

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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:44:45 GMT

In article <2361@usna.NAVY.MIL> wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
>When orbiting particle-beam weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have
>orbiting particle-beam weapons.

And Carl Rowan.  Don't forget Carl Rowan.
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From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Subject: Re: japanese pop music HELP..
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:25:37 GMT

Stephen,

 While I do not have the resources  to help you as far as taping the
music goes, let me refer  you to one singer/songwriter: Akiko Yano.
In 1990, compilation of her songs  were done by John Zorn and Robert
Hurwitz for  the Elektra Nonesuch  label.

Product code number: 97 92054
Album name:          AKIKO YANO

Songs:
 (1) Highland              4:33
 (2) Ramen Tabetai         5:58
 (3) Mufujotai             2:29
 (4) Pastorale             1:47
 (5) Gokigen Wanisan       3:00
 (6) Owari no Kisetsu      3:49
 (7) Omocha no Cha Cha Cha 4:30
 (8) David                 4:19
 (9) Greenfields           5:01
(10) Komado Kara           3:37
(11) Furimukeba Kaeru      4:02
(12) Home Sweet Home       6:10

 Elektra Entertainment, A Division of Warner Communications Inc., 75
Rockefeller Plaza, New York, New  York 10019. 345 North Maple Drive,
Beverley Hills, California 90210.

Personally I am interested in getting  any one of the several albums
from which  this compilation was  put together: OESU  OESU, GRANOLA,
BROOCH, GOHANGADEKITAYO, and TOOGE NOWAGAYA.

Hopefully someone will help you out with your tape.
But now, at  least you can go to Elektra  or a local distributor and
check the New Age bin for AKIKO YANO.

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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:56:28 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Nov5135426@tui.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>I am sure that Hattori's parents find great relief in the fact that the shooter
>says he's sorry. I am also sure that all of my Japanese friends will feel much
>safer coming to America knowing that the shooter, who took the life of another
>human being MIGHT be indicted.

It seems that several female Japanese exchange students every year take
"that final bus ride". I guess it's worse to be shot than to be raped and
strangled, even if only one student has ever been shot and many students
have been raped and strangled.

Or is it because the death of a male is considered more serious?

-- 
My opinions are my own.
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From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Enka Music!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:22:36 GMT

smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
  >I love Enka!!
  > ...

Did people see last night's ABC news?  The last news item was about
this Japanese salsa band which, they said, was quite popular in Japan
as well as in Latin countries. The name sounded approximately like 
(I don't know Spanish) Orchestra de la Ruz.  They also showed clips of
"salsa bars" in Japan. I wonder if there are any such place near Osaka.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10229 talk.politics.guns:23639
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:08:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.160835.4171
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov(Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>>   "Karate" can kill people. There was a graduate student in my friend's
>>lab. The guy was a good karate practician -- I mean, VERY good. He
>>has never drunk alcohol even at a party or other socializing occasions.
>>My friend once asked him why he didn't drink. He answered, "I could kill
>>someone with this (showing his fist) if I'm drunk and I cannot control
>>its power." Yes, I agree that a spontaneous inner motivation towards respect
>>and caution is important.

donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
>Did he have to pass a government test before he was allowed to learn those
>skills???
>(I hope his government never bans HIS weapons!)

Well, it's interesting to note that Karate came about *because* the
Japanese government banned weapons (I guess, swords) in Okinawa.
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Subject: Re: Happy Birthday in English
From: Larry E. Cravetz <RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:32:24 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <4894@sinec.cent.saitama-u.ac.jp>, hash@ikarac5.ctrl.saitama-u.ac.jp
(Toshihiko Hashimoto) says:
>
>We don't have any traditional birthday songs.  Did we had
>the custom to celebrate the birthday in old Japan, except
>GENPUKU, KANREKI or something else?
>
I think the original question has been answered, but please tell us (me) more
about GENPUKU, and KANREKI. Are these also birthday celebrations? Dozo,
kwashiku setsumei onegaishimasu...

Quotes from:
>Hashimoto Toshihiko <<Dept. of Electronic Engineering, Saitama University>>
>----------------------------------
>JUNET  : hash@ctrl.saitama-u.ac.jp
>PC-VAN : TGH70044

BTW my company is building laboratories in Saitama, Toshi, in Washimiya.Care
to tell me some of the local delights there...?
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: REPOST: Japanese Major Suggests Military Coup:Your Opinion?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 06:07:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

In article <1992Oct29.203622.9892@cmcl2.nyu.edu> memco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>	As reported in the NY Times of Friday, Oct 16, Major Shinsaku Yanai
>wrote an article in the Shukan Bunshun discussing his
>belief that the military should depose the civilian Government,
>much as the Imperial Army did in the 1930's, because of the 
>continuing scandals of the ruling party.

Is Major Yanai a retired JSDF officer?  If he is currently commisionned
in JSDF, his public experession of his belief seriously contradicts 
with his duty, as a public servant, to observe the Japanese Constitution.
In any case, Prime Minister Miyazawa, the commander-in-chief of JSDF,
should decide whether Mr. Yanai is fit to remain in a post whose
duty is to "defend" the constitution while openly advocating to
"ignore" it. In my opinion, Mr. Yanai should be fired at once so
that he could excercise his right of free speech without any further
conflict with his current duty. :)

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From: huttar@ief.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar)
Subject: kanji on Star Trek TNG
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:57:03 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: IEF Development, Texas Instruments Inc., Plano Texas
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at Texas Instruments Inc.
              The opinions expressed within are those of the user and not
              necessarily those of Texas Instruments.
                                                     


I don't know if this should be in soc.culture.japan or sci.lang.japan,
but here goes anyway.

Last Friday on Star Trek: The Next Generation, Ryker and his dad were
doing some kind of male bonding combat game, and the armor they wore
had 3 kanji on the chest plate: mizu (water), sora (air/sky), hi (fire).
($B?e(J, $B6u(J, $B2P(J).  Does anyone know what the significance of this is?

I didn't see the whole show this time, but if I remember right, they were
hitting each other with long, padded sticks.
Was this supposed to be derived from some Chinese or Japanese sport?
Or hockey? :-)

btw, they had them in opposite order -- one was mizu,sora,hi, the other
was hi,sora,mizu.

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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Plutonium
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:19:59 GMT


The only thing to add to the info is that this is just the first shipment!
The total amount will add up to be greater than the US and CIS supplies
together.  

Charlie


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10306 talk.politics.guns:23730
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov6.134010.352@u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>Some have also mentioned naivete of the Japanese visitors, but this is not 
>completely true either. Many Japanese are aware that streets of some of the 
>larger cities are quite dangerous.  That it happened in normal neighborhood
>is what's puzzling them.

My understanding was that it wasn't such a nice neighborhood, and that
concern about criminals was not unrealistic. (How "normal" an American 
neighbourhood that makes it, is a seperate issue...)

>This may be simply be an "accident" in US, but in a country where only the
>police, self-defense, and yakuza gangsters possess a gun, 

As a clarification to American readers, I believe "self-defense" here
refers to the Japanese Armed Forces. If memory serves, they have
been refered to as the Self-Defense Force, since the Second World War
(as as recently after that as they were formed.) "Self-defense" to
an American is likely to suggest _personal_ self-defence, e.g. 
against criminals.

>that such 
>accident even has a chance of occurring is a bewildering puzzle.  "What
>logical argument is there for allowing untrained average civilans to possess 
>such a deadly weapon?" would be a typical question.

Apparently, he wasn't all that untrained: He seems to have been quite
competent with the use of the weapon. I think the tragedy was the
result of fear of crime, and an overreaction to what appeared to
be a threat. The logical argument for a civilian possessing a deadly
weapon, is that this fear of crime is not unfounded: Over 80,000
crimes prevented by gun-wielding civilians each year (and reported
to the police. Studies suggest a one million self-defence uses, but
most are not reported.) There is both a real threat of violent
crime, and a real need for self-defence (and the tools of self-defence)
in American cities.

                                           Frank Crary
                                           CU Boulder
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Subject: Re: Japanese Student killed in Louisiana
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:47:50 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>Is this just a case of three tragically unlucky people, or has the US
>gotten so bad that we who live here don't even notice anymore?  Is it
>just "common sense" that every tenth guy you run into on the street is a
>gun-toting nut case?  If so then we deserve what we get...


Before I lived in Japan I thought little of walking thru downtown Los Angeles
at 2:00 am half drunk. I enjoyed wandering around the seedier sides of San
Diego in the middle of the night. I had absolutely no sense of impending
danger.

After living in Japan I now realize the incredible risks of living in Los
Angeles.

But maybe it's only a matter of perception. Before I perceived no danger so
there was none. Now I perceive there to be danger, but maybe there still is
none.

smittie
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From: mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Matt Wette)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Originator: mwette@mr-ed
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:38:32 GMT


In article <Bx82G5.Jqv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov4.182110.21082@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
|> In which case maybe that person shouldnt be allowed to own a gun.
|> Required gun lessons not only serves to inform a potential owner
|> of the use/care/responsibility of using a gun, but also provides
|> an additional safety net to avoid bad situations.  By screening out
|> potentially irresponsible users and makes sure they really want
|> to owe a weapon. Besides if the owner is a reasonable law abiding citizen,
|> whats the problem with getting educated about a potentially dangerous
|> tool.  I would figure a gun enthusiat would be more the happy to take
|> a gun course.  If this person only wants a gun to shoot the living 
|> daylights out of something just for the hell of owning a weapon, then 
|> they SHOULD NOT owe one and shouldnt be allowed.
|> 
|> If driving lessons and a license is required for a car, I would 
|> thinks its common sense that a gun should warrant the same
|> care and precaution.  If someone cant see this point, IMO shouldnt
|> owe a weapon. Simply, if they cant treat a gun with more
|> care and respect then driving a car, well, there's no hope for
|> them.

However, the government (e.g., BATF) has been known to abuse laws
in order to keep guns out of the hands of citizens.  I'd like to hear
ideas on how required gun courses could be instituted in such a way
that citizens are protected from abusive government.

For example, here in California, a gun course will be required to buy
a gun starting July '93.  I may not have all the details correct
(e.g., not sure if applies to only a class of guns).  The course must
not cost more than $20, and if one fails three times then the license
is granted anyway.

Sounds pretty abuse-proof, right?  Well, it turns out that the law
provided no funds to actually provide a course and so we are in a
potential situation here where a course is required but not provided.  

Does anyone know whether courses can be given by private parties and
if so, what sort of approval process is require to qualify a course?

Matt

P.S. Just started reading "Point Blank" -- good book.
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From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Subject: Re: call for a new newsgroup
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:59:11 GMT

Sorry, the Geneva Convention does not cover holy wars on Internet or any
network internationally. In short, it's a free for all :)

 Personally... I'll refrain. I cannot afford the extra costs.

--
PGP 384/D7484F Stephen Kawamoto

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Subject: Re: New era in American politics....
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)

In article <0exxtfK00UhW01oYBI@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>friends,
>
>             I would like to congradulate President Bill Cilton on his
>landslide victory in America's presidental elections last night. I had

Landslide?  43% is a landslide?  That means that the guy who just won
by a "landslide" was NOT preferred by 57% of the voters.  Not much of
a "mandate", if you ask me...
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