HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Bush about to get pasted for Family Leave Bill.. Yay!
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:27:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:

>I don't know if it's fair for Florida to get more aid than California, but
>what does their not having a state income tax have to do with it?  Everybody
>pays federal income tax.  Incidentally, Florida doesn't seem to have any
>trouble meeting their payroll without an income tax. :)

  It's not really a question of fairness, Florida just happened to get "lucky"
by having a disaster hit when the incumbant is in a weak reelection position.
I doubt Bush would have been as generous if he was leading Clinton by 15 or
20 points in the polls.

  The lack of a state income tax means that there is little available state
aid, so residents are entirely dependant on federal aid.  Sure, they pay
federal income tax as does everyone else, but that's no excuse for a state
not being able to fend for themselves either.

  What's going to be interesting is how Bush handles Kaui which got hammered
by a hurricane as severe as Andrew was...

  -jack-
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker (was Re: Bush is a .....)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:37:45 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

echo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Hagame uno mas!  Esos son muy cool!) writes:

>statement.  Saying "Bush is a motherfucker" is basically equivalent to
>saying "I dislike him a whole big lot."  Only with a little more pizzazz.

>So you grow up, and quit getting your hackles raised because someone uses
>language that makes you blush.

  Hackles aside for a moment, vocabulary is a gauge of your intellect.

  You're running on 'E'...

  -jack-
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu  
Subject: TRANSCRIPT OF CLINTON'S NOTRE DAME SPEECH WANTED
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:45:00 GMT

Would anyone who has a copy of Clinton's speech at Notre Dame (Friday,
Sept. 11, 1992) please send it to me at:

	rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu
or
	rlc1028@tamzeus.BITNET

Thanks in advance!

R.L. Cox
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Bush giving away money
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:33:10 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn) writes:

>If I heard correctly, the Senate voted not to put any money into 
>rebuilding Homestead despite The President's promise.  Difficult situation,
>ya know?  Those people have nothing right now, and will have less than
>nothing if this is true.  The question is, would it be worth rebuilding?
>There are plenty of other fully operational bases that can do the sam
>job (DEA use, etc...) without the incredible cost of rebuilding it.
>So, in my mind, it would be an indirect way of giving its employees 
>money (giving in the sense that it needn't be done).  Like I said, a
>tough situation for any president.

  The "job" of Homestead was not just the missons it provided for DEA,
Air Force and other things, it was practically the sole provider of an
economy in that area.

  The correct thing is for Florida to institute a state income tax and
generate the funds internally, raising the sales tax as California did
to pay for the San Francisco earthquake is another example.

  Congress could lend the funds based on that proviso if Florida wants the
base restored.

  -jack-
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From: sal@touch.cis.upenn.edu (Marcos Salganicoff)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a .....
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:39:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.democrats.d
Organization: Grasp Lab

Hey!

Let's keep our political discussion without expletitives and have a little
net etiquette here. If you are a good debator, you can get your disagreement
across without resorting to 7th grade bathroom language!

Grow up, man,

Marcos


Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:24:39 GMT

In article <ART.92Sep11011506@world.std.com>, art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep10.212650.8832@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
> 
>    In article <ART.92Sep10104125@world.std.com>, art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>    > 
>    > In article <1992Sep9.183218.14075@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
>    > 
>    > [...]
>    >    > 
>    >    > He shouldn't accept it because it's not true.  See the August 31, 1992
>    >    > issue of The National Review for a complete discussion of this; a
>    >    > discussion containing more numbers and analysis than most people care to
>    >    > sit through.  But, read it carefully and see the liberal lies exposed.
>    >    > 
>    >    > 
>    > 
>    >    The National Review....now there is an unbiased source....NOT!
>    > 
>    >    Dr. Norman J. LaFave
>    > 
>    > Say Doc, instead of puerile statements like this why don't you supply us
>    > with some facts to back up that ever so incisive comment.
>    > 
>    > Allan R. Thompson, Ph.D.
>    > 
>    > 
> 
>    OK you're on Doc,
> 
>    The National Review is run by Buckley and has the likes of Reagan, Selleck,
>    and Heston doing adds for it. These do not exactly constitute a covey of
>                     ^^^^
> Jeesssus Doctor, yore so smart I would have thought you wood have lernt
> to spel bi nou.

Oh, how clever.... I wish I could embarass somebody I don't even know as well
as you.....

> 
>    liberals. Read the rag sometime and then tell me what constitutes bias
>    journalism.
> 
>    By the way, I see your company put your title in your official .sig too.
>    :-/
> 
> Tain't my company, Herr Doktor.  Yure just so fuking smart I just kant
> imajin how us dops kan kepe up with yor brainz.

It is amazing how some individuals think that just because the net provides
a certain amount of anonymity, this gives them free reign to be rude and
obnoxious. I hope you don't debate with your fellow employees this way.

> 
> On a serious note, Dr. I really would appreciate it if you would provide
> us with some objective data showing how or where the National Review has
> allowed its admittedly editorial bias to interfere with the facts.  After
> all, you are a DOCTOR, and therefore a man of science, which implies
> objectivity, so I'm sure you would be happy to supply these facts.  Or
> are you just blowing your DRate out your ass?
> 
> Allan R. Thompson Ph.D.
> 
>    Dr. Norman J. LaFave
> 
> 

I don't have debates with rude, uncouth individuals. When you can return
to civility, I will return to this debate.

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:56:49 GMT
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

Keywords: 

In article <1896@grivel.une.edu.au> mwatts@neumann.une.edu.au writes:
]From article <1992Sep6.081835.25466@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, by jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines):
]Yes, and you can add to that list the fact that George and his government
]are warmongers.  They started a war that killed a lot of people in the middle
]east unnecessarily.  The reason:  so that good old Georgie would get
]re-elected.

This is unadulterated trash that not only is insulting to GHWB to most
americans who supported that war. YOU may want to send your money to
support the expansionist dreams of a middle eastern butcher, but I
don't. The gulf war was supported by almost every country in the world.
You are just off in the margin.


-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
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From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:26:50 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <ART.92Sep10104125@world.std.com>, art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep9.183218.14075@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
> 
> [...]
>    > 
>    > He shouldn't accept it because it's not true.  See the August 31, 1992
>    > issue of The National Review for a complete discussion of this; a
>    > discussion containing more numbers and analysis than most people care to
>    > sit through.  But, read it carefully and see the liberal lies exposed.
>    > 
>    > 
> 
>    The National Review....now there is an unbiased source....NOT!
> 
>    Dr. Norman J. LaFave
> 
> Say Doc, instead of puerile statements like this why don't you supply us
> with some facts to back up that ever so incisive comment.
> 
> Allan R. Thompson, Ph.D.
> 
> 

OK you're on Doc,

The National Review is run by Buckley and has the likes of Reagan, Selleck,
and Heston doing adds for it. These do not exactly constitute a covey of
liberals. Read the rag sometime and then tell me what constitutes bias
journalism.

By the way, I see your company put your title in your official .sig too.
:-/

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:45:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep6.081835.25466@ucc.su.OZ.AU> jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines) writes:
>From article <RLK.92Sep5204746@underprize.think.com>, by rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz):
>> In article <1992Sep5.153736.6743@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
>> 
>> BTW, it's about time someone called Bush on the "tax and spend" issue,
>> particularly after the blatant handouts of the past week (the grain
>> export subsidy and the sale of aircraft to Taiwan).
>
>Yes, Bush has bought farmer votes with the mortgages of Australian farmers,
>who produce wheat more efficiently than american farmers, but cannot compete
>with grain sold below cost by virtue of subsidies.

  What's really extraordinary is that the same day Bush announced the 
  increased wheat subsidies he made a speech praising free trade!   The
  man has to be one of the biggest hypocrites there is, in a profession
  (politics) that has produced some real champions!  

>George Bush can go to hell.

  I know but what worries me is that he seem intent on taking the rest
  of us with him.


---peter






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From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:31:20 GMT
	<ayrn6jp.jmoody@netcom.com>
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <ayrn6jp.jmoody@netcom.com> jmoody@netcom.com (Jim Moody) writes:

   Well the point is actually not who "started" farm subsidies...there were 
   good reasons for them then etc that we can debate some other time ....but
   whether or not Bush, the great free marekteer, used the promise of $7 billion
   dollars in subsidies to try and blatantly buy the votes of Americas farmers.

The liberals have made a career out of buying the votes of the poor with
my money.  All the liberals moan and groan about Bush being insensitive
the poor and now, when he takes a page out of the liberal catechism and
they howl again.  I guess they're upset about his stealing their tricks.

   Evidence is, based on sudden reversal of a previously held position, that he 
   is up to his usual tricks of promising ANYTHING that will get him elelcted.

   The economic evidence of the declining wealth of the American worker, evidence
   which Bush says he doesn't accept, should get him ousted, but this kind of thing
   may keep him in power.  Heaven help us if it does.

He shouldn't accept it because it's not true.  See the August 31, 1992
issue of The National Review for a complete discussion of this; a
discussion containing more numbers and analysis than most people care to
sit through.  But, read it carefully and see the liberal lies exposed.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:11:19 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <ayrn6jp.jmoody@netcom.com> jmoody@netcom.com (Jim Moody) writes:
]Well the point is actually not who "started" farm subsidies...there were 
]good reasons for them then etc that we can debate some other time ....but
]whether or not Bush, the great free marekteer, used the promise of $7 billion
]dollars in subsidies to try and blatantly buy the votes of Americas farmers.
]Evidence is, based on sudden reversal of a previously held position, that he 
]is up to his usual tricks of promising ANYTHING that will get him elelcted.

Gee... I could've sworn I heard Clinton promise the same sorts of things
to the farmers the other day. Let's face it, while Bush is trying to move
towards a freer market, he is as captive to political forces on this issue
as is Clinton. Bush ain't perfect... he's just better than the alternative.
]
]The economic evidence of the declining wealth of the American worker, evidence
]which Bush says he doesn't accept, should get him ousted, but this kind of thing
]may keep him in power.  Heaven help us if it does.

I'll bet you hold him responsible for this year's bad weather, too. I don't
know about you, but I don't put my faith in ANY government official to
improve the economy. The best official is one who would get as much government
as possible OUT of the economy, and Bush is more in that direction than
Clinton.


-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
 - - Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! - -
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: williamf@umbc4.umbc.edu (TheBigBopper)
Subject: Any electronic transcripts of the Flower's tape(s) around?
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:33:27 GMT

  I would like to read a copy of the transcript of the tape(s) that Gennifer 
  Flowers made of her conversation(s) with Bill Clinton.   Does anyone 
  have anything that fits the bill that they're willing to email to me? 
   Stay Easy__
      William
From: sal@touch.cis.upenn.edu (Marcos Salganicoff)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Bush giving away money
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:10:13 GMT
Organization: Grasp Lab

In article <3700@faatcrl.UUCP>, jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
> thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Bill Thorson) writes:
> 
> >  Why did he offer to rebuild Homestead AF base?
> >  Offer?  Milatarily, the answer is:  Can you say "Cuba"?...
> 
> >  Financially, the reconstruction will produce jobs and generate an...
> 
>   -jack-
Cuba  is no longer a threat of any consequence. Get real.

As far a reconstruction of the base, perhaps building an industrial 
park where homestead air force base used to be might be a better use  
of  my $7.6 billion. It would generate a lot more jobs in the long run.

-Marcos
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: mann@eskimo.celestial.com (Tom Mann)
Subject: Re: Bush giving away money
Summary: The closing of Homestead AFB
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:17:28 GMT

In article <Sep07.192627.70707@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Bill Thorson) writes:
> 
>   Why did he offer to rebuild Homestead AF base?  I would seem
> a likely base to put on the list of base closings.  I was suprized
> that nobody in the media thought of this.  We should have an
> rule that all bases destroyed by volcanoes, hurricane, or
> earthquakes should be put on the list of doomed bases.
> 
I don't have exact facts (I would like to know if anyone can confirm this),
but I vaguely remember someone on CNN mentioning that the military has been
in favor of closing Homestead for several years. Also, I believe that this
is the second time Homestead AFB has been severelly damaged by hurricanes.

On the cynical side, Bush can promise to rebuild the base but congress has
to authorize the funding; if Bush wins the election, he can always blame
congress for making him break another promise (but then, Bush won't play
the "Blame Game").


-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom "Old" Mann KD9NL/7 Kirkland, Wash.     

I don't do drugs, don't do DOS and definitely do not do Windows.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Followup-To: alt.politics.democrats.d
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:42:11 GMT

In article <1896@grivel.une.edu.au> mwatts@neumann.une.edu.au (Perry Farrell,Lollapalooza,,) writes:

   From article <1992Sep6.081835.25466@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, by jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines):
   > 
   > Yes, Bush has bought farmer votes with the mortgages of Australian farmers,
   > who produce wheat more efficiently than american farmers, but cannot compete
   > with grain sold below cost by virtue of subsidies.
   > 
   > George Bush can go to hell.
   > 
   > 
   > -- 
   > Jason Haines - System Operator, MacInTouch BBS (02) 743-5997 (TeleFinder)
   > jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
   > _______________________________________________________________________________
   Yes, and you can add to that list the fact that George and his government
   are warmongers.  They started a war that killed a lot of people in the middle
   east unnecessarily.  The reason:  so that good old Georgie would get
   re-elected.

If that war was fought to get him re-elected it would have been timed
much closer to the election.  In case you haven't noticed nobody seems to
be mentioning it.  Some election ploy.

   I guess that we can't just blame him though.  America has a history of
   brutality against other nations.  For example, the second nuclear bomb dropped
   on Japan was dropped after Japan had already surrendered (the Americans chose
   to sideline the Japanese courier with the message from Japan until after the
   bomb was dropped).  The bomb was dropped as a test!  A test that killed hundreds
   of thousands of people!

This is a flat lie!!!!  The Japanese had not surrendered.  You are either
a liar or ignorant of history.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Bush about to get pasted for Family Leave Bill.. Yay!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:56:50 GMT

In article <3713@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:
>
>  There's no denying the need for aid down there, but to suggest that a state
>that does not have an income tax to rate the same level of, and in this case, 
>more, government aid then a state like California is ludicrous.
>
I don't know if it's fair for Florida to get more aid than California, but
what does their not having a state income tax have to do with it?  Everybody
pays federal income tax.  Incidentally, Florida doesn't seem to have any
trouble meeting their payroll without an income tax. :)

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com



Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:32:39 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Sep6.081835.25466@ucc.su.OZ.AU> jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines) writes:
]
]Yes, Bush has bought farmer votes with the mortgages of Australian farmers,
]who produce wheat more efficiently than american farmers, but cannot compete
]with grain sold below cost by virtue of subsidies.
]
]George Bush can go to hell.

Err, it would be more appropriate to blame almost everyone in the US Federal
Government. The farm "support" silliness goes back 60 years and cannot
be blamed on Bush or the current democrat controlled congress. It is
done by every government in the world (take a look at what France or
Japan do to foreign competitors). I'll bet that OZ has it's own
version of farm protections.
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
       - - My gun is safer than Ted Kennedy's car - -
 - - - "It is better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six." - - -
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Bush giving away money
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:39:38 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn) writes:

>What I was thinking when I mentioned DEA was that Florida (in my view)
>has two strategic uses : DEA operations and watching Cuba.  Then, since
>Cuba is almost a non-threat today, it seems that the number of bases
>should not be kept constant. Moreover, it seems completly impractial 
>to reconstruct a base when this constant dips.  The increase of a state
>income tax you mentioned, seems that it would have a good short term 
>effect, but it doesn't create a solution to the fact that, "it was
>practically the sole provider of an economy in that area."  

  There may have been other uses that Homestead was useful for than DEA and
Cuba as it was not slated for closing.  However, it might not have been a
crucial installation either, so Congress might conclude that it's simply not
worth the cost to rebuild it.

  So, if Florida truely would like to see the base rebuilt, which I'm sure
the Air Force would like as well, they should be willing to establish a
state income tax that would be used to repay the federal loan to rebuild
the base.

  It really seems that Gov. Chiles is exploiting a weak incumbant president's
reelection position for all it's worth, too bad the media isn't digging into
the state government to see if there isn't any cupability on their part for
not having a sound disaster control mechanism in place for an area that is
a prime target for hurricane damage.

  Northern California is quite aware of fires, mudslides and earthquakes and 
has the mechanisms in place to manage them.  Florida doesn't appear to be 
nearly as prepared to deal with their problems.

  -jack-
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