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From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Alien Attitudes?
Date: 27 Aug 1992 14:49:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <Ieb5lja00WB4MKaIxs@andrew.cmu.edu> ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven M. Stadnicki) writes:
->One of the things that I've been thinking about recently is something that
->bisexuality, or perhaps more accurately polyamory, and furriness have in
->common: the attitudes involved are *so* utterly alien to most people that
->they literally can't conceive how people could hold them; they can't even
->be brought to begin to grasp the concepts involved.  This has been getting
->beaten into my head repeatedly lately with my coworkers (who I'm not out
->to yet, but I've listened a lot to *their* conversations)... what worries
->me more is that things also seem to be working the other way, that I'm so
->entrenched in my current attitudes that I have a hard time really understanding
->*theirs*.  Has anyone else ever really noticed this?

Hmm ... 

That's kind of interesting ... I'm currently seriously (kinda) involved with
a man I met in Furry ... he's still shocked how different my values are in
RL than in Furry ... 

I'm a hell of a lot more polyamorous in Furry (exclusivity? Ewwww ... :) )
in Furry than I am in RL (he mentioned an open relationship and I had to
think about it for a day ... ) ... I'm also a hell of a lot more sponteneous
... I do most of what I do without much thinking, whereas in RL I tend to
think about our relationship a lot (something which has pissed him off to no
end, even before I told him that I was thinking of certain aspects of our
relationship in mathematical terms :) ) ... 

So in my case, at least, my attitudes are different (probably also due to
the *WIDE* differential in experience in Furry and in RL) ... but I can
understand both ... because, in a way, I have both.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:31:49 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) said...
>cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
>
>>pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) said...
>>>cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) wrote...
>>>>It would be such trauma!  <hehe> my mind is starting to sound like some weird
>>>>hippy California blues: "everyone's gone now... the party is done...  the 
>>>>hot tub is lonesome... six is better than one..."  
>
>The Lonesome Hot Tub Blues
>[lovely song deleted to save a little space]

Ahhh, Sara, The Woman With a Song for Every Occasion (and if she can't
think of one, she'll make one up) :^)

>>>Just for that I'm not going to ntalk to you anymore about what 
>>>constellations to look for when you're sitting in the aformentioned
>>>hot tub, while I'm elsewhere in the state trying to get some work done.
>>>(Now that all of our wonderfully distracting guests have gone for a 
>>>little while.)
>
>Well I'm virtually here ...

Yes, i can still hear your voice echoing in the kitchen: "'cause cookie,
cookie, cookie starts with C".

> >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<   

You know, i hadn't looked at this face closely since i met you - quite an 
apt portrait!
-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Assorted ramblings (long)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:19:07 GMT

In article <25214@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>Then too, Peg is still mostly off-line and some of the notorious flirts
>>seem to be gone for the summer. (While others -- our world travelers --
>>our busy with each other.)  I admit I haven't done my share of flirtation
>>and light fluffy conversation -- can I make it up to you all somehow ? ;)
>
>Do I fit into "others" or "notorious flirts" here?  I don't think I
>could exactly call myself a world traveller, but I am at any rate now
>back from the US, so I guess it's time for

*Both* -- our soc.bi travelers *are* notorious flirts -- just a bit
preoccupied.

>ObFlirt
>-------
>*Hug*, *snuggle* and a monstrous big *flirt* to you all out there!  To
>be dealt in person to those lucky enough to be at Norwich this weekend
>for UK BiCon.

*Hug* to you too.

Albert (who feels a sudden interest in swamps) Lunde

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lemmings!
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:28:48 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <185aluINN568@oak1.doc.ic.ac.uk> mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew Jude
Brown) writes:

>Elite was one of those games that the better the hardware you were
>playing it on, the worse the game ... the Spectrum, BBC and Amstrad
>versions were brilliant, but I couldn't stand the Amiga or PC
>versions ... far too easy to fly, no sense of achievement or anything.

The Achimedes version is just as hard to fly/play as the original BBC
version. In fact if you try to use the mouse control option, it's even
harder to fly. The Archimedes version is basically the original version (but
with working asteriods) with much better graphics and snappier response.
There are some slightly odd viewing angle problems with the planets and
space stations though. Me, I can't play Elite for toffee. I get blown
out of the sky as soon as I get in a dogfight. I'm not very good at
games at all.

Owen.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: fwi@cco.caltech.edu (Bill Irion)
Subject: Re: (re) Introduction
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:29:28 GMT

crabtree@drivem.enet.dec.com (Alyson Crabtree) writes:

>Hi!

Hello!

>	I don't know if any of y'all remember me.  I used to lurk 
>	around here as adc3h@virginia.edu, but many moons ago I had 
>	to put on my Usenet blinders in hopes of actually FINISHING
>	grad school.

*sigh*  I sometimes wish I could do the same...but I'm caught in the
Usenet.  (Get it?  Caught in the useNET?  Hahaha...OW! Who threw that
rotten tomato?)

>	To make a long, painful story short, let's just say I emerged 
>	_fairly_ unscathed with DEGREE IN HAND last June (hoorah!) and 
>	have moved to Colorado to partake of the "real world" of software 
>	engineering and to have my weekends and evenings free to climb 
>	mountains, play on Usenet, and do the Timewarp once again!  :)

Congradulations on your degree.  But no "jump to the left and then a 
step to the right" when you're mountain climbing, ok?  (OW!  Another tomato!)

>	It's nice to jump back in here and see lots of friendly posts 
>	and familiar names.  Say, wasn't it a year ago this week that 
>	the first posting appeared on soc.bi?   Happy Birthday, everybody!

>	and Hello again!

Welcome back!  Hugs and strawberries.

>- alyson

Bill

--
Bill Irion    fwi@cco.caltech.edu
"Good manners and bad breath will get you nowhere" - Elvis Costello
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:12:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug25.105010.49544@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
+
+[ObPolNote: *not* just "US", "USA"...get ready for the USE over here :-)]
+

Why, when we locally ignore Estados Unidos Mexicanos, or The United
States of Mexico.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:01:59 GMT


kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
> > much summed up the feeling for me, "If somebody feels really good about who 
> > they are, they don't feel threatened by what other people are."  I think it's
> > a cool quote... definitely one to add to one of my .sigs. :)
> 
> The bad news is that enough people are out there who don't feel good about
> who they are, and who therefore feel threatened by what other people are.
> This often causes them to act threatening toward those other people and
> actions, as has been said, speak louder than words.  Sigh.
> --scott
>     (feeling dwarfed right now)

Yeah, but it's still a cool quote. :)  I've always had a problem with the
saying "actions speak louder than words"... how does that work if "the pen
is mighter than the sword"??  I think the quote is definitely good .sig
material though (IMHO). :)


      __o       Brad Booth                |  
    _`\<,_      Bell-Northern Research    |  "Pick up the receiver,
   (*)/ (*)     Ottawa, Ontario, Canada   |   I'll make you a believer."
 ------------   bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca    |        ... Depeche Mode
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Michigan Wom*n's Music Festival)
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:50:18 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <iw.715012766@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:

>One of the things I value most about womens space, is that I can get
>glammed up as much as I want, as sexily as I want, and I know I won`t
>get harassed.  OK so a few butches may swagger at me ...  but thats the
>general idea anyway.
>
>Iseult - feeling sure that this is a very politically incorrect reason
>	 for liking womens space.

Some of women at the Norwich bi conference dressed up quite nicely for the
disco and didn't seem to get hassled. Indeed in the final assembly when
people were calling out what they liked about Norwich, one of the women
commented on it being nice that she'd felt safe in stripping off at the
disco. I think she was the one wandering around in the bra, but I could be
wrong. The woman in the black and white reptile scales cat-suite looked
pretty good too.

Owen.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: slh7q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Suzanne Lacroix Hurley)
Subject: Re: Bisexual Centrist Alliance
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:02:23 GMT


Muffy, the reasons why are too numerous to discuss here.
Suffice it to say that the people who belong to BCA like it
better that way.  Duogamy is a relationship with two
people, ususally one of each sex. If you'd like to learn more,
write Robyn Margolis at BCA.  She'd love to discuss it with you
further.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:17:30 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <17guqpINNc08@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> In article <b3mpbfkd@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
> ->In article <17e32bINNs0p@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> ->>In article <awlpbr9p@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
> ->>->Just wait till I've got you harnessed to my Iris, denims razored away
> ->>->from your legs, body coated with sweat and beer... Oh? not *that* sort
> ->>->of dungeon?  Aww...
> ->>
> ->>*whimper*
> ->
> ->Aww, don't worry, Roy, it wasn't you I was [tempt|threaten]ing, only 
> ->Matt.
> 
> *blink*
> 
> And what's wrong with me, I'd like to know? I'm sure Matt wouldn't mind
> sharing :)
	Oh, come on, Kay!  The more the merrier!  Besides, I'm sure
that Iris of yours has handled big capacity jobs before....  ;)
					--Matt
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
				      					
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: Quayles meet Usenet (was Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!)
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:27:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.094525.10904@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>I bet he went straight to alt.personals.bondage and posted looking for
>big breasted dominant women into whip cream and cats-o-nine tails.

Or perhaps he's looking for a well-endowed leather-clad man with more
toys and items of torture than are found in the typical dentist's office.

>Well atleast he has no idea what a motss is so it will be a while before
>he finds this group. 

Don't be so certain.  Maybe we'll see him start posting here.  Wouldn't
*that* be fun?  :-)

-- 
Michael Bryan        michael@resonex.com                     |     ,_,
Milk and Cheese in '92!!!                                    |    /oo \
"What the world needs now are some true words of wisdom,     |    <>__|
like 'La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la'."  -- Cracker           |    |  U|
From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: another unsubtle coming-out idea
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:07:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cua.1992Aug28.130701.1
Organization: The Catholic University of America

My sister got a very straightforward (excuse the pun) shirt for her friend
Susan. It said, in big block letters:

I LIKE GIRLS

There were I LIKE BOYS shirts, too. Perhaps a person could get both, one 
printed on either side of the shirt....

considering opening a t-shirt store,
Alison
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: soc.bi Chocolate Appreciation Society
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:43:22 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <25212@castle.ed.ac.uk>, sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
> 
>>Nothing is innocuous when Tanaqui gets hold of it---I don't know anyone who
>>can cram more cynical indecency into one sentence...
> 
> I agree about the former, but as to the latter, *no* - not cynical
> indecency, not at all, just perfectly and naturally indecent indecency.

I have to agree. The phrase was a quotation from the works of Dorothy L
Sayers, it just seemed appropriate at the time.

> But even Girardelli's isn't as good as English, Swiss or Scottish* chocolate.
> 
> Sara
> 
> * Duncan's of Powderhall - yum!

Yay! Someone else who agrees about chocolate. Tell you what, I'll swap
some Leonidas Cherry Liqueurs for some Duncan's, OK? But you'll have to
get someone else to pull the trick for you, as I won't be in Norwich :-(

///Peter

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
Date: 26 Aug 1992 21:56:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug26.102110.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
->> Well too bad!! I got to flirt with him first!! Much earlier!! So there!!
->	Roy...can't we share people?  Do I need to clear the dungeon
->schedule?

Hey, I'm altruistic ... 

Sure, we can share!

And please, do clear it ... shall we try to coordinate schedules? :)

->	You mean the blue-green eyes?  Does he have them too?  I was
->talking about my eyes, but hey, I'm not choosy....

Err, I'm not sure about his *eyes* ... but ... from what I hear, well,
that's his business.  He's free to post a desc or not.

->	And, as for you, Roy, you probably came on while I was on
->vacation from this little terminal of mine.  We college students *are*
->able to go away for awhile, if we want to!  Besides, I had to add some
->entries to my travel diary...some adventures to read on a rainy day
->when I don't have anyone (but I will take offers!). 

Damn ... too bad ... 

->	Want a greeting?  Let me clear this corner of the
->net.room...ah, that's better.  Anybody using Peg's couch?  Well, then
->it's mine for the moment!
->	Come on over, Roy <seductive smile and all>... ;)

<jumps over to the couch, smiling broadly>

->> How about a hot tub, if one doesn't exist yet?
->	Good idea...what else?  Anybody?  Do I have to coerce you all?
->(Gosh, I guess I wouldn't mind that....)

Heh ... me neither :)

Well, do we already have a bedroom?

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:00:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BtFtA5.9pC@blkhole.resun.com> sara@castle.ed.ac.ukKeywords: writes:
+
+Hear hear!  Me, I'm older than Elf and younger than Kay, nearly in the
+middle I think, and I feel similarly to Kay about the 70s altho I
+appreciate what Elf says about the period.  Formative years for me

The '70's were a great disappointment to me. The music stunk, the
polyester looked like fresh shit, and the increase of 'have you been
saved today' sounded ominous. Then came the '80's. Fortunately, the
'90's are looking up. Well, not absolutely great but at least up.

-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:33:22 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) said...
>[about interesting pictures]
>well, I was *hoping* to be able to deliver them in person, but there's
>no way I'm going to make it Friday night ... are you *really* not going
>to be around at all on Saturday  <large pout, tear dripping down the
>face, etc etc>?

Awww, such a face... Saturday during the day may be a possibility.
Hmmm, now what could i do to make Elaine smile again? :^)

-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:37:58 GMT

Oops! I posted before i closed with e-hugs.

E-hugs to all who wish them

Angi
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:08:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.37453
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug28.233719.10550@nwnexus.WA.COM> omaha@eisley.wa.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
+
+   (Omaha ruffles her fur) Well! I never! (Giggle) I have no desire to break
+the next bed, but Elf told me that he liked it, because he could brag to
+everybody that we have such rambunctious sex that we break beds. I, of

Sort of 'conspicuous distruction'.

+course, would NEVER stoop to such depths to prove our sexual capabilities. I
+prefer to cry out loud enough for the neighbors to hear me during sex. :)

Do you measure your arousal level by how many windows are slammed
shut. I once lived next door to an old woman and her daughter, who
perform this rutual as my partner was expressing herself vocally,
"oohhh aahhh hahaha" Crack when the window, 'ahaaahhh, yes,
oohhh...". Since the box springs was on the floor ther was never an
occasion to break the bed.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:40:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>Hello!
>
>After reading soc.bi for a coupla months now, I decided that it was time
>to take the plunge and de-muffin.

Congratulations and hugs!

>Reading your posts and other peoples' outings
>has also made it easier for me to understand that it is O.K. to feel
>attracted to people of all sexes and preferences, and that I'm not
>a "horrible sexual deviant", unfit for human consumption ;^)

Oh no.  Seems like you're remarkably poised for consumption.

Simon.
Who wonders whether his "Best Before" date has expired.

>
>Emily
>
>
-- 

***************************************************************************
* Simon Morgan-Russell    "I love to lie o' both sides o' th' bed myself" *
* SR09@LEHIGH.EDU          Middleton & Dekker's "The Roaring Girl" (1608) *
***************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bv426@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven A. Kendrick)
Subject: Re: Bisexual Centrist Alliance
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:51:32 GMT


In article #11995, iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
writes:
>>
slh7q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Suzanne Lacroix Hurley) writes:
 
 
>Muffy, the reasons why are too numerous to discuss here.
>Suffice it to say that the people who belong to BCA like it
>better that way.  Duogamy is a relationship with two
>people, ususally one of each sex. If you'd like to learn more,
>write Robyn Margolis at BCA.  She'd love to discuss it with you
>further.   
<<
 
>> I would certainly be interested to see it discussed more 
>> here.  Does anybody else have any information.
 
I have seen their newsletter....
 
>> Does this notion of duogamy particularly involving partners
>> of both sex reinforce the notion that bi's need to have both
>> sexes to be satisfied.
>>
>> If duogamy why not polyamory, I just don't get it.
 
Polyamory (e.g. 'party people') can be a bitch for property
values.  What I read had connotations of the old 'heterosexist
prvieledge'... e.g. keep things "normal" and "squeeky cleen"
so that breeders can relate.  That, coupled with a general
disdain for the general gay/les movement rubbed me the wrong
way.  The sort of political thinking endemic in the beltway 
set gives me the willies myself [hell, I live in the Really
Small part of (Sm)Albany, NY, where the politicos live, and
any sehnanigans that go on are kept neatly out of sight.
 
Yes, I think the g/kl movement needs to be educated about Bi
issues; they have given us flak in the past.  However, I think
that womens', minorities, PWA's, and impoverished peoples'
issues are FAR more important than this agenda...and that
working 'inside the system' is a big waste of time.. and the
appeal to the 'center' doesn't please me.  The only thing you
find in the center of the road is the adashed white line and road
pizza.
 
              s. kendrick
bisexualqueerpagananarchistactivista!