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From: pataky@cs.umd.edu (Bill Pataky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Cassidy - exegesis?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:10:02 GMT
Organization: China Cat Sunflower Seed Company


This is one of those topics that I'm sure has been kicked around a few
times before, but nevertheless, I'm still curious.

I'm curious what different folks think Cassidy is about.  Here are the
lyrics:

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Cassidy

I have seen where the wolf has slept by the silver stream.
I can tell by the mark he left you were in his dream.
Ah, child of countless trees. 
Ah, child of boundless seas.
What you are, what you're meant to be
Speaks his name, though you were born to me, 
Born to me,
Cassidy.

Lost now on the country miles in his Cadillac.
I can tell by the way you smile he's rolling back.
Come wash the nighttime clean,
Come grow this scorched ground green,
Blow the horn, tap the tambourine
Close the gap of the dark years in between
You and me, 
Cassidy.

Quick beats in an icy heart.
Catch-colt draws a coffin cart.
There he goes now,  here she starts:  
Hear her cry.
Flight of the seabirds, scattered like lost words
Wheel to the storm and fly.

Faring thee well now.
Let your life proceed by its own design.
Nothing to tell now.  
Let the words be yours, I'm done with mine
(Repeat)



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From: Bower John R <jbower@venus.haverford.edu>
Subject: Re: help with a setlist
Reply-To: jbower@venus.haverford.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:28:44 GMT

Playin'
1/2 step
Big River
Playin' Reprise
He's Gone

Truckin'
Sugar Mag. SSD
GDTRFB
One more Sat nite (end of show)


10/21/73 Civic Auditorium, Omaha, Nebraska, set II
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From: cjmcdona@mothra.syr.EDU (Crispin J. Mcdonald)
Subject: HELP! Net withdrawl
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:55:45 EST

Normally I just lurk but I've been forced to post in order to lurk - argh!

Peace
Crispin 8-)
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Playing Reprise
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:53:28 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

In article <1992Dec15.013317.18132@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> slogan@mta.ca writes:
>      I going to sound really stupid to alot of you out there but is there
>a difference between Playing in the Band and Playing Reprise. I just
noticed it 
>in the set lists posted for 06-12-92 in Compton

6/12/92 Compton?!?!?!

 and then I checked out my
>limited tape collection and found it on one of them. I listened to it and
>I'm not sure if I heared anything different or not???? I'm really confused!!!

In brief, Playin' has three verses and the jam at the end.  Playin'
(reprise) has a jam then a variant of the chorus of Playin'...
Understand?

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
       (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
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* With a bad reputation         * film major, when all I really      *
* That's a sign of the nation's * wanted in this life was to marry a *
* Decay"                        * lobsterman and cook fish."         *
* -Phish                        * -a letter from Christie Searing    *
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From: lbfp@lut.ac.uk (Frank Parry)
Subject: Arena - the Grateful and the Dead
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:02:26 GMT

For those of you in dear old Blighty on 22 January 1993 the BBC is
screening a programme called The Grateful and the Dead which is all
about the work of the Rex Foundation and - particularly - Phil's
interest in sponsoring British composers. I have no idea if any "other"
footage will be screened but I think it is a fair bet that at least
someone from the band or its organisation will be shown.

Frank Parry


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From: russellg@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Glenn Russell)
Subject: Re: "9/20" or Good Dead Dates
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:47:07 GMT

In article <RuaHVB1w165w@c-cat.UUCP> polaris@c-cat.UUCP (Paul Harris) writes:
>amato@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeffrey M. Amato) writes:
>
>;-) Regarding a previous post of "hot dates", i.e. a day of the year 
>;-) with consistently great shows, 

I don't have Deadbase handy, but 12-12 seems to come to mind.

12/12/69  Thelma Theatre 
12/12/90  McNichols Arena, Denver
12/12/90  Oakland Coliseum
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From: BCGST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Subject: tapes
Reply-To: BCGST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:22:18 GMT

Greetings everybody.  I'm new to the network, so I apologize if I screw 
anything up.  I'm in dire need of some new tapes.  I'm especially looking
for good copies of 3/24/90 (set 2), 4/18/92 (set 2), and 6/6/92 (Buffalo).
I've got about 250+ hours of live dead.  I've also gotten my hands on some
pre-1970 tapes that are killer!  If any of you out there in computerland
would be interested in trading some tapes, send me a message.

					Brian Gearhart
From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead's Magic Mojo @ Oakland 12/11 Helps Redskins!!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:59:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

I hoped that by bringing my Redskins cap to the show 12/11,
and dancing around it for a while, that some of that mojo would
go to the 'Skins against the Dallas Scumbags on 12/13...

And it did!!!!!!!!!!!!   Miracles happen (as anyone who saw the
last 3:25 of that game can attest to)!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, if we can only get them to work on "Hail to the Redskins"
maybe as an encore or something...       ;-)

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================
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From: IWS%ssmic@cdfq.ssd.ray.com
Subject: Phil shuts The Vault
Reply-To: IWS%ssmic@cdfq.ssd.ray.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:01:46 GMT


| BTW: Does anybody know what show it was that Phil scrapped?

I believe it was the 2-19-71 show at the Capitol Theater, Portchester, NY.

Mr. Gans, can you confirm or deny this allegation?
From: rangok@pitt.WPI.EDU (Rangaswamy Keshavan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: built to last
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:16:01 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitt.wpi.edu

Am I one of the few who thinks that Built To Last is the best Dead CD since
Terrapin Station.  I think that it is a deeply personal work of art, and that
the whole band put a lot of themseleves into it.  

I know that my 3 year old daughter also thinks it is nice.  Once when she was 
about 1 month old she and I were left alone for a few hours (the first time!)
and she was happy for a while, then became hungry and wanted her mommy's milk.
Well, mommy wasn't there, and I wasn't able to produce, so I put on Built To
Last for some soothing sounds, and sure enough, she started to quiet down, and
before long, she was sound asleep in my arms!  Now one of her favorite songs is
Standing on the Moon.  She also loves Don't Let Go from the new Jerry CD.  And
Eyes of The World is also a favorite of hers.  I wonder what kind of music will
be in style when she gets up there, and I hope that she will have the sense to
listen to music for what it is worth, and not for what is popular, however awful
it may be.  

And what about Dylan's Oh Mercy.  What a beauty.  During that time frame a few
real amazing CD's popped out.  Neil Young put out Freedom.  And the Neville 
Brother's put out Yellow Moon around the same time.  Some great music from some
great musicians.
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From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Great Shows, but tapes stolen! (HELP)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:13:27 GMT


Hey Folks!

This post will include a grovel for NY, NY 4/5/71! 

Some poor fool broke into our truck sat and stole a boatload of 
tapes. I'm not even sure what I lost -but the 4/5/71 tape was a 
very special one for Maria and she's a bit down about losing it.

Any help will be imensely loved!!!

Anyway, Sat and Sun were great. Loved the Bird Song on Sat.

Looked for Lara at intermisson where "Red turns to Purple". Guess what?
Everybody and there moma was at that spot as that's where they put the
drum circle EXACTLY. Either the drummers are net-heads or they all sensed
lara's presence :-):-):-).

Well, I couldn't find her, but I danced ...

Great Dark Star second set.

Sunday started out hot, the first set did not slow down.

Of course, the drum circle was at red->purple again! 

Great second set. Great time. Wish I had tickets now for later in the week :-(.

t


Oh, and thanks for correcting me on the title of Blair's book Dave! Hey, I 
saw some guy with a sticker on him that said "I blame Gans!". Huh? I was too
preoccupied to ask.

Lastly, if anybody has that 4/5/71 tape I can trade with what I have left     
(which is enough).

snow peas


-- 
Porpise: run, bike, swim, make cookies


"long distance runner, what you holding out for?"
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From: mac@sequent.com (Cormac Burke)
Subject: Re: Phil seals Vault
Keywords: Phil
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:34:56 GMT

In article <2694@cronos.metaphor.com> pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens) writes:
>|> 
>|> I`d love to see a bunch of shows released simultaneously like all those live
>|> Zappa CD's that appeared awhile ago.  
>
>This is my problem with his "veto" as well.  I just don't see the Vault
>releases as the place where "impeccable taste" should be applied.  Do
>they think we will become irate if a Vault Release has some mistakes,
>either musical or technical, in it?  Churn 'em out, the more obscure
>the better, and they will get purchased by many happy heads.  Zappa
>sure knows this simple rule and both he and his fans are benifiting.
>

I guess you don't read alt.fan.frank-zappa. More than a few people have
complained about the quality of some of Zappa's 'You Can't Do That On
Stage Anymore' disks (series of 6 double CDs of live recordings spanning 
his career). In particular people seem to get annoyed with the number of 
non-musical cuts. One of my big objections to Zappa's series was the
cost, $30 each! The Vault series disks seem to be much more reasonably
priced. I'd say the audio quality of Zappa's stuff has mostly been right
up there with the Vault disks. 
Cormac
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Sequent Computer Systems
mac@sequent.com
From: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: 12-16
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:03:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 

Howdy just got home from the Wednesday show. Pretty groovy. The 2nd
verse of Star was great as was the Watchtower after. Nice Encore too:
Casey Jones.
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From: russellg@news.colorado.edu (Glenn Russell)
Subject: Re: Oakland 11&12 observations
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:46:26 GMT

>Chuck Karish writes:
>>(Kent Stewart) writes:
>>Saturday, 12/11(sic):
>>----------------
>>leading into to a Crazy Fingers which, as usual,
>>finished with a beautiful drifting jam, one of those elegant spaces the Dead
>>create so well. 
>
>I also enjoyed Jerry's first solo on this tune, in which he
>explored a new dissonance I'd never heard from him before.

I heard lots of nifty subtleties coming from the stage this tour.  I
really think that the time off helped to open up some new spaces.  
Any rustiness from not playing together for seven months was 
overshadowed by the band "opening up" on their delivery of some 
of their more standard material.  It's hard to quantify, but 
certain songs just seemed different to me.  Whether it was subtle 
rhythm variations from Bill and Mick, or Phil's "lets push this 
stuff beyond" runs, there was new life in the old material.  Even 
NFA in Tempe seemed new and improved as Phil teased the Lovelight bass 
over the NFA structure.  And Greatest Story was boundless and 
expansive - they really stretched the framework.  Yes, 
Greatest Story!

>In between grumbling about how the Dead have never really
>fulfilled the potential I thought they had in the early
>'70s, I really like to listen to them play rock 'n' roll.
>That was a really jumping "Men Smart", without a hint of the
>dragginess that it sometimes has.  Jerry expressed the
>rhythm even when he was stretching out, and Vince got in
>some great licks toward the end.

Well put.  I really got off on many of the standard rockers the Boyz 
played this tour.  Minglewood, Bucket, Greatest, Picasso Moon.  
Heck, even Don't Ease and US Blues!  The "biggies" like Dark Star,
Estimated, Morning Dew et. al. get the headlines, but to me there 
is nothing so basically satisfying as hearing this group of 
~50 year olds just shred on a 4/4 rhythm, 4:00 minute rock-N-roll song.

"Been hiding out, in a rock-n-roll band"

    glenn
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From: erxleben@ece.arizona.edu (Wayne Erxleben)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Northern Exposure
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:22:57 GMT
Reply-To: erxleben@ece.arizona.edu (Wayne Erxleben)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Hi everyone
Recently it seems to me that 'Northern Exposure' on CBS has a
lot of images and themes that kind of resonate with Deadhead
culture.  What do you all think?  Especially on the Thanksgiving
episode:  For one thing, the residents of Cicely (sp?) were
preparing for their annual 'Day of the Dead' celebration and
parade, which apparently coincides with Thanksgiving, so there
were skeletons and skulls everywhere.  (One of the parade
participants even looked a little like Jerry :-)  Secondly, Bela
Fleck's 'Flight of the Cosmic Hippo' was used as background music
in one of the scenes.  Thirdly, Marilyn said she thought that Ben
and Jerry's ice cream was one of the positive contributions of
white people to North American culture.

In this week's episode (Dec. 14), Chris the fugitive DJ is musing
about crime and punishment and the inevitability of his extradition,
and he refers to 'the wheel' ('You know, what goes around comes
around').  This would seem to be (metaphysically at least) the same
wheel that the song refers too.  Or am I stretching it?

I will be away from the computer from the 18th to the 29th, and
I think posts only stay up here 5 or 6 days, so I might miss some
of your posted responses.


Wayne Erxleben
From: cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: USA Today, 12/17/92, Page 11A
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:40:17 GMT
Reply-To: cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave)
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

In article <1992Dec18.202611.8970@ucselx.sdsu.edu> chris@ucselx.sdsu.edu (lemaire c) writes:
|>since, as far as I know, people don't have a tendency to violence
|>and abduction while on LSD (at least in my experience - has anyone
|>ever heard of any such event?  :-)  )
|>
|
|How about the Manson family?

Or the Lyman family?
From: dcn1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID CHRISTOPHER NOEL)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Looking For RFK 6-20-92 Set List
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:20:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I need to find out the set list for RFK 6-20-92.  I don't have a deadbase so
any help would be appreciated.

                            Thanks Dave


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From: finn@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (James Finn)
Subject: Re: 12/11 Oakland show set list and review
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:52:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.221811.4638@leland.Stanford.EDU> dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>In article <27948@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>>
>>Bay Areans -- how do you feel about having these shows in the middle
>>of December?  I'm finding it disruptive, there are so many other
>>things that go on here in our embarrassment-of-riches town in the run
>>up to Christmas that I sort of take for granted, & the Dead shows
>>really crowd up the calendar.  
>
>I don't see a problem with my calendar being crowded; is there
>something you'd rather do than go to shows?
>
>But after finally training my employer to not mind if I duck
>out of work early the week between Christmas and New Year's,
>I'm seeing some grumbling about my ducking out in the middle of 
>the month.
>
>>it's going to be dead for real around here this year (I'm leaving town
>>for the first time in years during that stretch).  It seemed like an
>>interesting experiment at first, but now I think I prefer Ye Olde Way.
>
>I think we all would. My guess is that because of Jerry's illness
>and uncertain future, the band was not willing to rent out the
>coliseum for New Year's eve as far in advance as they would have
>had to. Does anybody know what's happening there this NYE?

my top two personal picks would be Etta James at the Great American
Music Hall or the Red Hot Chili Peppers at the Cow Palace. But there
are so many amazing NYE shows going on in the bay area this year,
including the Neville Brothers at the Warfiled, Primus at the Civic,
Zero at Maritime Hall, Tower of Power at Slims, and Little Richard
at the Nob Hill Mazsonic Center.

/James
From: mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Has Jerry quit smoking onstage??
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:58:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Dec19.180805.6949@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov writes:
>I was at the Denver shows but didn't have a grate view of the stage
>but as near as I could tell Jerry wasn't smoking any cigarettes
>during the shows. Did anyone out there have a clear view of the stage??
>Did anyone see him light up at all?? What about in Tempe and Oakland??
>Just another concerned Deadhead!
>
>                                         Randy

I was in the reserved section at Compton. I didn't see Jerry take a
single  puff. Anyone else?

mike
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From: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Subject: LSD, mayhem, and violence
Reply-To: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:58:42 GMT

        Andrew asked if anyone has heard of such things.  Unfortunatly,
yes.  I know somebody on death row convicted of a particularly grisely
murder.  He loved LSD and going to dead shows.  I suspect he may have commited
several recreational homocides, of a gruesome nature.  I will spare you the
details.  I used to party with him from time to time, and he seemed like
an OK sort of guy.  ( He in an inlaw, thats how I met him.  I'm sorta picky
about choice of friends otherwise. )  Most serial killers are sort of nice
and charming, and that helps them trap their victims.
        The connection to LSD is that it unhinges one from an imprinted
mindset and leaves an individual to choose and alter his personna and value
mindset and leaves an individual to choose and alter his personna and value
system.  For most of us this is a Good thing, but not for everybody.
        People with strange predispositions or too many skeletons in the
closet can have latent personality problems enhanced or unrepressed and
brought to the surface.  Let's face it, it's not for everybody.  Also, we
can thank the good old USA millitary for training him for an elite group
of particularly nasty killers.  Perhaps they should screen applicants a
little better.  Ironically, the only reason he flunked out of killer school
was for some minor drug infraction.
For more info on this subject, read "Intoxication, In Search of Artificial
Paradise" by Dr. Ron Seigal.  He describes a somewhat similar event.  The
book is great reading, and Dr S has done a lot of dosing of people and
training them to record their perceptions, which he later catagorizes.
He testified as an expert witness at the Manson trial about the effects
of LSD.  It's possible the Manson inspired murders were facillitated by
his use of LSD on his group.

        Whew*** wierd stuff.  Now back to the regularly scheduled r.m.gd
trivia.  Sorry about lunch...

Looks like rain...
Joe Lone Wolf Gladstone>   <GLADSTONE@CSMCMVAX.BITNET>
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From: slogan@mta.ca (GUINNESS)
Subject: Playing Reprise
Reply-To: slogan@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:33:17 GMT

      I going to sound really stupid to alot of you out there but is there
a difference between Playing in the Band and Playing Reprise. I just noticed it
in the set lists posted for 06-12-92 in Compton and then I checked out my
limited tape collection and found it on one of them. I listened to it and
I'm not sure if I heared anything different or not???? I'm really confused!!!
      On the side I have never heared When i paint my Masterpiece (????)
  Whats it like. I going to tape a show with it within the week if my pals
back home have got one.
      
   Thanks in advance 
 Counting stars by candle light S.C.L.

  
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From: les@ravel.udel.edu (Matthew Re Templeton)
Subject: Re: seafood
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:46:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.215704.7565@head-cfa.harvard.edu> eskridge@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Paul Eskridge) writes:
>
>andrejkow asks:
>
>>crustaceons, or just plain old seafood?  Even between-song banter or
>>"jokes" would be of interest. 
>
>but someplace in my collection is a tape with Weir asking the audience,
>
>"What do you get when you cross a pig with an octopus?"
A football that throws itself! :)

I just had dinner with some friends & the subject of bad joke telling
came up, and mysteriously, Bobby slipped into the conversation...Hmmm.  
Wonder why?...It sure ain't easy being...you know...

Oh, and I think the show is 12/14/70 but I could be wrong.  (If I am, take
your pick of 7/2/71 or 4/6/71.  I'm almost sure one o' them is right)

Peace everybody,
Happy Holidays,
Matt


P.S.  Lara, I owe you a big, long letter soon...I'll work on it when I get
done my exams & paper (anybody got any ideas on how to talk about a 74LS122
for twelve pages?...)
-- 
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  Life is a precious thing - don't let it slip away.  In other words...
			  LIFE IS SHORT, PLAY!
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