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From: 880691c@ace.acadiau.ca (MATT CUNDILL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey money from Canadian TV
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:59:52 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1992Apr14.163905.3300@cs.rochester.edu> ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
>From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
>Subject: Re: Hockey money from Canadian TV
>Date: 14 Apr 92 16:39:05 GMT


>In article <MduF4EK00WAuACeXxv@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Does the NHL get any revenue from Canadian TV? If not, I think the NHL
>>should attempt  to get more money from them considering hockey is the
>>equivalent of football and baseball  put together for Canada.

>Hey, what a great idea. How many Canadian dollars do you want? There's
>the blue ones and the green ones and the orange ones and the red
>ones...

Funny George.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (William Stocker)
Subject: Re: The Fat Lady Sang ... NHL over?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:54:28 GMT

In article <ku6m1rINN879@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 23495@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>furthermore, Ziegler warned that that's it, totally, for the NHL
>>(implying that it will just close up shop and fold)
>
>And if this happens, whose fault will it be?
>
>I'll give you one guess...
>

OK... How about... John Ziegler!

--Will
From: gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/1
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:00:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <FayRiB1w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:
>> Get real.  The only person holding Acton down was Samuelsson. 
>> [...]  No one "held Acton down",
>
>Maybe you repeat this in the hopes that people will eventually believe
>it, Rick.  But you are simply dead wrong.  Once a linesman pounced on
>Acton to keep him from getting back at Samuelsson, Ulf jumped in and
>started pummelling, safe in the knowledge that Acton could no longer
>defend himself.

By the time the linesman got involved, Acton was busy doing his best
turtle imitation.  And a very good one, at that.  Ulf was on top of 
him, sort of, and the linesmen were dealing with it, sort of.
Did they aid Ulf in this whole thing?  Who knows....but clearly, when
was the last time you saw a linesman further pin down a player who was
already turtled into a protective shell?

I don't even know why he bothered to cover up.   Ulf hasn't come close 
to winning a fight since he got here.

[...](lots of other verbiage removed)
>
Feel like continuing this?  Let's take it to e-mail.

But thanks for dropping the "Richard".

rick
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From: bgray@ugly.UVic.CA (Bob  Gray)
Subject: Playoff Traditions
Reply-To: bgray@ugly.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:59:53 GMT

In article 29874@mprgate.mpr.ca, harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison) writes:
>
>- For those who get the chance, watch the highlights of the
>  Vancouver-Winnipeg game on Saturday night. You'll see 16,000 white towels
>  being waved, a tradition dating back 10 years thanxs to Roger Neil.

  Here in Vancouver, we've got the fun tradition of waving our white towels in
the few years that we've made the playoffs since 1982.  What are the other
interesting traditions in other NHL cities, ie. Vancouver's white towels, 
Calgary's sea of red, etc  (hockey only - I don't need to hear about the 
Steeler's Terrible towels)

Either post, or e-mail, and I'll summarize the results.


******************************************************************************
*Gino Odjick for Byng!   :-) | Bob Gray           | "The closest the Canucks *
*Kirk McLean for Vezina/Hart!| bgray@uglw.uvic.CA | have come to the Stanley *
*Pat Quinn for Adams!        |                    | Cup is Stan Smyl's jock."*
*Pavel Bure for Calder!!!!   |                    |                          *
******************************************************************************
*VANCOUVER CANUCKS - 1992 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS - THE BEGINNING OF A DYNASTY!*
******************************************************************************

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From: leyfre@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Frederic Leymarie)
Subject: Re: Fan Intervention
Originator: leyfre@lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:32:04 GMT


In article <smlj3INNbdf@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, ken@hooters.East.Sun.COM
 (Ken Harford - Corp. Network Operations) writes:
|> 
|> Can someone enlighten me to what I saw last night on a local newscast???
|> 
|> I saw a fan being pummeled on the ice in front or I should saw in a teams
|> bench area.
|> It looked like the Sabres bench and I mean this guy was geting labeled by
|> about 3 or 4 players. Obviously this guy had one to many brewsky's and
|> decided these guys weren't as tough as they think they are.
|> 
|> Oh well live and learn, possibly from a hospital bed!!!
|> 
|> Ken

The guy in question is doing OK (he survived! with some bruises and cuts...).
He was interviewed last night on CBC. He said he had taken too many beers...
When he saw the fight between Sabres' goalie and Nordiques' player (I can't
remember their names) he just "flipped out" and went onto the ice ...

He said he did a stupid thing, but he was not trying to beat up the all Sabres
team ... 8-) or did not have any particular aggresive intention. He lost his
mind (with the help of a massive alchohol dose).

In any case, the way the Sabres players behaved (especially the one on top of
him, punching him X times on the head) was pretty disgusting. Even the coach
was involved, apparently shouting pretty stupid directives to his "soldiers".


This is no sports.
-- 
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3480 University St., Montreal, QC, CANADA, H3A 2A7.  |	FAX:  (514) 398-7348
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)
Subject: KC @ SLC score from 16 Apr 92
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 19:04:14 GMT


Kansas City beat Salt Lake 5-1 last night
KC leads series 3-1
NExt game saturday
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From: chuck@mks.com (Chuck Lownie)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin got screwed!!!
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.035305.27781@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> ddavis@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Donald Davis) writes:
>
>	Lake Superior State +	5
>	the referees 
>
>	Wisconsin		3
>
>	
>	Could those fu**king idiot referees have maybe called a few
>more 10 minute misconducts and two-man advantages on the Badgers?  Maybe
>then the damn game wouldn't have been so close, and I could have shut this
>travesty of a game off after two periods and watched Indiana/Duke instead.
>
>	The Lakers aren't fit to hold the Badgers skates!  I never even
>heard of Lake Superior State...is it a junior college?  A high school?
>
>				  Donald C. Davis
>				  BS, University of Wisconsin (1988)
>
>	PS: That little weenie on ESPN who's busy trying to say the
>officiating didn't matter can kiss my ass!!
>-- 


Lemme guess.  You're a Wisconsin fan, right?

-- 


     ||  // // ,'/~~\'   Chuck Lownie		chuck@mks.com 
    /||/// //|' `\\\     Mortice Kern Systems Inc.     (519) 884-2251
From: jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL Regular Season Revised Schedule
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:53:31 GMT
	<1992Apr13.170656.22486@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


On 13-Apr-92 in Re: NHL Regular Season Revi..
user peter.r.clark..jr@cbnews writes:
>In article <e2hX021c0f=K01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, esm40@cd.amdahl.com
(Ed McGett
>igan) writes:
>> Remaining Regular Season Games:
>> All times in Pacific Daylight Time (PDT)
>> 
>[SCHED deleted]
>> 
>> The Rangers seem to be getting the best deal with the new schedule by
>> not having to play until Wednesday.  
> 
>Are you kidding? They've just had 12 days off. You think they want to only
>have 2 warmup games and not play until Wed.? They'd love to play 3-4 games
>before they start playoffs. These are going to be some out of shape, out of
>practice, out of synch players about to jump into Stanley Cup Playoffs in
>less than a week!

Not to mention that the Rangers haven't played since March 28th, so by the
time they play on April 15th, they would have had 17 full days off.

====================================================================
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From: cadams@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Adams)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:44:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Buying the Cup (was Re: Dear Sherri)
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey

>No, I'm not kidding at all.  Everybody's jumping on the 'teams can't be
>competitive without a draft' bandwagon without bothering to address whether
>teams have been competitive *with* a draft.  I thought maybe you were using
>a different definition of "compete", if you thought teams had been
>competitive with the draft.

For the record, I do think that the NHL has reasonable parity right now.
Teams like Vancouver have risen and Calgary have fallen.  Any team can
beat any other on a given night.  The distribution of points is about
plus/minus twenty points versus .500 (80 points).  There is more than
one team per division which has a great chance of winning the Stanley
Cup.  The development cycle for an NHL team is several years.  The
development cycle for baseball is probably shorter.  On the other hand I
no longer enjoy following baseball.  It is fun to watch and support a
team as it builds its nucleus.  

 _______________
/ |   | | |   | \  Chris Adams
| | O |.|.| O | |  (415)857-7864
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| | O |.|.| O | |
\_|___|_|_|___|_/  GO CANUCKS!!!
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From: sgwoods@vela.csis.dit.csiro.au (Steve Woods)
Subject: Help DownUnder with NHL statistics PLEASE !!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:23:49 GMT


I am looking for the following statistics for the 1992 season:

Player	Team	Games_Played	Points	Pim

I would be satisfied with just Games_Played since I have the points
and team for every player in the USENET draft c/o weekly postings...
if anyone has this information (even if it is a week or two old), I
would appreciate it if you could mail it to me !  Tough stats to find
DownUnder at a moments notice :-)

Thanks a lot
-Steve
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From: prevost@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Scott Prevost)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Flyers Playoffs (was Re: FLYERS notes 4/1)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:40:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <ARBOGASTW.78@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:

>Tell me Joe, why are you, as a Flyers fan so upset about the STRIKE?  If 
>memory serves me, the last time the Flyers actually PLAYED hockey at this 
>time of year, the Caps beat them in a seven game OT thriller.  Your beloved 
>Flyers fired Mike Keenan, kept Rick Tocchet, and haven't been heard from 
>since. 

Well, your memory doesn't seem to be working very well.  The last time
the Flyers were in the playoffs, they played Montreal in the Wales
Conference Finals, after beating Pittsburgh in 7 games and WASHINGTON
in 6.  The year was 1989.  I can see why a Caps fan would want to
supress the memory, but maybe you should try to get your facts
straight before attacking other teams.  Maybe you remember Hextall
scoring his second goal in that series (in Washington)--sorry I guess
you supressed that memory as well.

By the way, Mike Keenan wasn't coaching the Flyers in 1989, so it
seems you have another fact misconstrued.  


>If I were a Flyer fan, the end of the strike wouldn't be near as important 
>to me as fielding a team that can someday, hopefully, make a go of it in a 
>league where 16 of the twenty-two teams make the playoffs.

I don't think Joe ever said that fielding a good team was unimportant
to him.  

>And let's don't hear about the playoff system being unfair.

Have you heard any Flyer's fan on this net say this?  Don't accuse us
of saying things we haven't said!

>Perhaps you can use your obvious creativity and come up with something 
>like "WHINING, SNIVELING, & CRYING" or perhaps the more efficient 
>"FLYERS NOTES."

I think you have the Flyers and Caps fans confused.  Or maybe you have
the teams confused.  Remember Cryin' Murray--the king of the criers!


>Warren (aka "idiot")

Your honesty is commendable.


>(And yes, Joe, I know the Flyers won the season series against the Caps this 
>year....But, Joe those are regular season games and nobody outside of Philly 
>and the owners bargaining committee cares too much about these games.)

Does that mean that Caps fans don't care?  You'd think they would care
about regular season games since they know they'll just choke in the
playoffs anyway.

-Scott Prevost
prevost@linc.cis.upenn.edu
From: BAUMGARTNER@eldi.epfl.ch (Marcel Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Switzerland: First play-off final
Date: 3 Apr 92 06:13:44 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne, Dpt d'informatique
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

First play-off final in Switzerland:


Fribourg Gotteron    -    SC Berne        3 - 4  (1-2,1-1,1-1)

Regular season champion Fribourg was too tired after their 5 semi-finals
against Ambri. Berne with his world-class (oh yeah) goalie Renato Tosio
gave a fresher impression. The desicive 2-4 goal was scored by Stanley-Cup
winner Rexi Ruotsalainen (Oilers), assist Berne's second non-Swiss player
Alan Haworth(ex Nordiques, Capitals, ...).

Best players:

Berne			Fribourg

Routsalainen		Bykov
Tosio			Khomutov
Howald			Silver

Next game in Saturday in Berne. Expeted spectators: 16'700   BOUMI
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Amerks Report
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:48:38 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


Well, this sure beats working, so I figured I'd update folks on the
state of the Sabres' AHL affilaite Rochester Americans. The Amerks
just beat Hershey 4-3 in Hershey to go up 3-0 in games. This despite
the return of Corkum, Draper, and someone to the Sabres where they'll
watch the action from the sidelines (actually, they might play tonight
since Donelly and Ray are both suspended, I think). Anyway, add to
that the fact that Jiri Sejba quit and returned to Czechoslovakia
after getting his last paycheck, and the fact that Darcy Loewen is out
about 3 weeks with a sprained knee, and the Amerks are hurting. But
Don Stevens was in fine form doing play-by-play, and it looks like
it'll be Rochester vs. Binghampton, although the Binghampton-Utica
series is only at 1-0 Binghampton).

George
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: BURE... - Michigan is not EASTERN.
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:26:55 GMT

In article <11284@mindlink.bc.ca> Steven_Boey@mindlink.bc.ca (Steven Boey) writes:
>Bure should be strongly considered for the Calder mainly because 60 games is
>most of the season and whoever can get 31 goals in 60 games as a rookie while
>at the same time be one of the most exciting players in the league is one heck
>of an achievement!!.

He also had a slow start. The stress of moving here and of the prolonged
time taken to settle his rights case in court probably had something to
do with it. Also he stared playing on the fourth line with
Gino Odjick and Ryan Walter.

I don't know enough of the other rookies to compare but if Pavel had
been through training camp and played a full year he might have
had a much better year.

Whether the best rookie wins is better left to 20-20 hindsight a couple
of years from now.

Mike N.
From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Power Play Goal Record
Summary: Just curious
Keywords: power play goals record
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:24:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Could some nice, cooperative netter please tell me the NHL record for Power
Play Goals in a game.  Trying to settle a bet, and the amount of hockey
references in Northern Colorado is lacking.


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*  Mike Burger                    *  Sometimes you feel like a Tugnutt,       *
*  mmb@lamar.colostate.edu        *  sometimes you don't.                     *
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: NHL Season is over.
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:04:51 GMT

In article <17443.29e41d91@ecs.umass.edu> lyddy@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>>  I have always wondered about who you are Sheri and Gerald and your past
>> playing expirence in the game of hockey. Mabey you could tell us how you
>> scored the winning goal(s) in any games that you have played, and if you
>> are still playing.
>
>This line of questioning always cracks me up.  I guess your point is that 
>if a person hasn't separated his/her shoulder playing hockey, he/she has no
>right to an opinion on the subject.  


Hey, I dislocated my finger a few weeks ago playing street hockey.
Does that make me the current top expert on the net?

(My brother separated his shoulder in December after being checked into the
 boards... maybe I better defer to him....)

:-)
-- 
Mike Godfrey   	           		"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT      	         	-- allegedly, the last words
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   of Oscar Wilde
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From: saseph@hal.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:38:04 GMT
    <1992Apr8.155437.29479@adobe.com> <Edt=9m_00Uh7Q6ur0v@andrew.cmu.edu> 
    <8duPtX600Von0Z1kwx@andrew.cmu.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: saseph@hal.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1956

In article <8duPtX600Von0Z1kwx@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>       Please explain why there have been so very little season tickets sold
>for the Lightning;  last I heard it was around 2000.  With as much noise
>as they mnade down there about wanting this team, that is before they
>actually had to pay the bills, you would have thought they could have
>made more.  And I am sure that you ahve not forgotten about the  Atlanta
>Flames no have you?
>

IMHO, Espo et al. were dreaming when they thought they could make
a go of hockey in Tampa, with the Suncoast Dome to start.  I hope
they have deeeeeep pockets, because that's what it's going to take
to keep that team in Tampa.

As for the Atlanta Flames--I hope someone will correct me if I'm
wrong, but I've been told that at the time of their departure to
Calgary, the Flames were still drawing at least 10,000 per game.
That doesn't seem too shabby.  The move, apparently, came about
because neither the NHL nor the City of Atlanta (government, that
is) didn't care whether the Flames left, and because Calgary offered
big concessions.  This info. came from a friend whose father used to
be a Flames season ticket holder, and who's been a hockey fan and
player for around 20 years.

Thus, perhaps it's not appropriate to use the Atl. Flames as evidence
of apparent hockey apathy in the south.

Also, don't forget that if there are enough pockets of high hockey
interest in various parts of the south, then they add up to general
interest in hockey across the region.  I don't believe that there is
a high general level of interest here yet, but I do believe that the
interest level is growing rapidly in several parts of the south.

-- 

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From: lyddy@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ziegler announces "New Proposal"
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:39:48 GMT

I just heard this on CNN radio:

NHL President John Ziegler announced today that the owners
have put forward a "new proposal."  The players have until
3PM Thursday to vote on this proposal.  If approved, the  
regular season would resume on Sunday, followed by the 
playoffs.

Does anyone have info about the details of this proposal?

-Dan Lyddy
-UMass at Amherst