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From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:59:35 GMT

>When I got an undesireable caller on the other end of the line I used
>to try to end the conversation politely (usually telemarketers).  But
>that all ended when MCI started calling me twice a week to NAG NAG NAG
>me about switching to MCI.  After listening to their sales pitch I'd
>tell them I was not interested.  After a bunch of calls I asked them to
>take my number out of their list, which they they agreed to do.  When
>they persisted calling I asked for supervisors, and was usually hung up
>on.  Finally after months of this I realized that it is MY phone, and MY
>time, and I did not OWE it to them to listen to them.  So now if I pick
>up the phone and hear the letters MCI the person on the other end hears
>"click."  And any other caller that I don't wish to talk to gets hung
>up on.  (Except people I know, of course.)
>
>All this could be avoided if I had caller ID.  I could have put MCI's
>telemarketing number into a "KILL" list in my caller ID device, and
>when MCI called the phone wouldn't even ring...

There are many simpler things to do. If an individual or company keep calling
you back every few days after you tell them to stop calling, they are
harrasing you, they can be legally forced to stop.. Would that not be easier?
Just answer the phone, if it's someone trying to sell something or raise
money or collect bills etc then just tell them that you request these calls
stop now, and if they don't you'll take legal action.. Then do it if they
don't.

(P.S. a LOT of telemarketers don't block their number, they just have all
calls forwarded to their own # (automatically busy) so your method of
answering only calls with ID wouldn't 'save' you)

Also, MCI sales reps are probably not all calling from the same phone #..
Block one and you'll have to block the next one who calls. Either hang-up on
them every time they call or tell them you'll take legal action if they don't
stop..


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Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.
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Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:28:43 -0500 
From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Getting a life

Well, it's sure nice of you to acknowledge your intellectual inferiority to 
everyone here right from the start.  I don't know if you've ever looked at 
things this way (probably not), but when you see someone and call them a
nerd, you're really seeing someone whom you regard as smarter than, so you
feel resentful, maybe a little threatened, so you resort to this nice little
defense mechanism called Name Calling.  My, how impressive.

So now, let's assume that you've got to be physically superior to us "nerds."
Well, that's a pretty stupid assumption.  At least on the net you can judge
the way a person thinks, but you've got no clue about anything else.  Me, I'm
pretty good at 4 or 5 sports, and I lift frequently.  So you don't have 
anything on me there.

So I guess we're left with this social thing.  How do you define "having a 
life?"  Being a slave to other peoples' perceptions and judgements of you?  
You're the sort of nameless, worthless peon I pass on the street and 
immediately write off as "Never Amounting to Anything."  Yeah, maybe I can't
judge people that quickly, but then again, my first impressions have turned
out pretty damn close so far.  I suspect you're another case in point.  If
you consider "having a life" to be going out and getting laid, you're one
shallow, hormonally imbalanced piece of shit, in my opinion.  In email, you
asked me when the last time was that I was out on a date with a "tangible
existing" woman....Well, it was the last time I tried, about 2 months ago.
Because I don't feel the need to get an ego boost by adding another number
to my little black book, or another notch to my bedpost.

And what do YOU do with YOUR time that makes you oh-so-much better than all
these "nerds"?  Much of my spare time is spent doing things at 
least somewhat useful, such as programming.  Yeah, for fun.  I've been doing
it since I was 5.  And you know what?  I've got a job because of it.  I
like my job.  My job pays well.  And I know I can have this job when I
get out of
college.  I really haven't noticed how the repression has affected the job
market.  Yourself?  Just making a snap judgement on what I've seen of you
so far, I'd say you'd probably end up managing a McDonald's, or in some other
completely unskilled dead-end "career."  And look what you do now in your 
spare time:  Read net boards you don't like, just so you can get back at 
all those people who so outclassed you all your life.  Who's the
repressed one here, hmm?

In the future, you might try what I do when I see someone who's better than
me, in any way:  Give them the respect they deserve (at least from you).  
Maybe you should actually think about all this, it seems you haven't.

Obviously much better than you,
Chris


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Couldn't control my own phone (Re: Caller ID block?)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:08:54 GMT

>With CNID, I would have a damn good idea, because the guilty party lives in
>Alabama, where I personally have no friends or business contacts.  Even from
>a payphone, borrowed phone, or new address (within a reasonable travelling
>distance), I could prove my case of harassment against this person based
upon >the area code.

That wouldn't stand up... It might satisfy you that it's the same person but
CNID isn't valid in court anyway because it can be faked. You need to get the
service where you can dial *xx and it will record the # that called you even
if it didn't show-up on CNID. Because that is recorded by the switch it is
valid in court. You'd also need to get his home # (or work etc..) just any
old # in Alabama isn't good enough, even if it's a payphone across the street
from his house.

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Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi)
Subject: Re: My world (was: Caller ID block?)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:26:51 GMT

In article <h#j2v#g@rpi.edu> burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:
>
>this thread has lead to the world of private vs. public debate.  The
>previous poster (sory i didn't reference the article - i'm saving
>bandwidth!) set up a world that sounded an awfull lot like a world
>where Big Brother couldlive quite comfortably.

>The distinction between public and private is not quite as defined as
>you make it out to be.  There is information which is private within a
>group, private within my head, etc.  I wouldn't want somebody
>eavesdropping on the whispered conversation I had with my "loved one"
>while walking in a public park.

>Please don't take this to mean that I am against the freedom of
>information.  I just feel that some information is private no matter
>where it is communicated.

That's what encryption is for.  But I quite agree that *the fact of*
communication should be public, even if it's content is made hidden in
this way.  The wonderful thing about public-key encryption is that the
encrypter must specifically intend her message for a particular
receiver, no one else can do anything with it.
	Even in this very world, however, I find that privacy/secrecy
is exactly what someone hoping to screw others over try to hide
behind.  *IF YOU DON'T WANT IT KNOWN, DON'T DO IT!!*.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (salvador dali on x)
Subject: Re: Agrippa
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 01:22:57 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com said about 'Agrippa':
|kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
||I think Gibson is a farce!  He's just bullshitting us!  C'mon, oh! it's soo
||wonderful that he makes Agrippa, and it disappears and so do the pictures.
||He's just getting "art-sy" and making money.  Yeah, he's actually having
||fun with cyberspace, but I don't think he's so special.  Basically, he's
||got (almost) everyone here by the balls with rumors and such.  It seems
||that's about the only thing cyberspace is good for, releasing rumors very
||fast.
|
|Correct me if I am wrong, but will not such self-erasing works become a
|necessity on an electronic medium in order for artists to earn their daily
|bread? Think about it: if information can be replicated and distributed at
|zero cost, all knowledge loses its economic value as soon as it is released.

Will economics play an important role in a society based on information?
I'm just asking, not implying anything.....But, I don't believe it will....

|BTW, this guy definitely has an attitude. Does that make him CP?

IMHO his opinions were 15% off retail price - not much nu
there...Seems to me he might be a person (I'm assuming we're referring
to the original poster and not Gibson) is a product of a society that
has produced Entertainment Tonite and People Magazine as a consensus
average... As am I, but I'd like to think that I, as well as many
people on this forum and net.wide, rise above that to take full
advantage of the tek and in/f0 and networking in and of itself....Nu
ideas spawn across the internet...Scientists gather in email or on
forum and work out problems, develop theories, etc....That's just one
sek-t0r of the net - the information line spreads across the grid of
the matrix, advancing the human x-perience as a whole....

|-- 
| Bob Hall                   |  if [ -bs message ]; then
| Boeing Computer Services   |      mv message /compost/heap/$$
| root@chicken.ca.boeing.com |  fi

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tokristo@thoasuio.no (Tore Kristoffersen)
Subject: Question..
Reply-To: tokristo@thoasuio.no (Tore Kristoffersen)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:48:09 GMT


   I am from Norway so I don't think I'm quite updated
on the term you call Cyberpunk. How can anyone call themselves
cyberpunks in our society?  In our low tech world I can't 
imagen that enyone can live up to  for instance Gibson's
society in Neuromancer. I've got the impression that what we before
called hackers now are cyberpunks with an attitude. Well I aint
quite updatede on the term so .....

Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6760 sci.electronics:21176
From: kucloak@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bryan Kennedy Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?READ/NEW/FOLLOWUP
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:29:39 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
Reply-To: kuloak@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Followup-To: Re: Caller Id block?
Keywords: Caller ID

In article <1992Dec18.210424.17430@lunatix.uucp>, chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:

> 
> Basically, it's up to the caller when to block and when not to block.  
> However, the unconstitutionality emerges when you consider that 99.99% of 
> Americans don't understand all this flib-flab technology and they consider 
> it safe to not bother blocking their number, even to undesirables they may 
> call or businesses which keep records, which the caller may not want.
> 
> It seems that the reason most people here fail to see this is because they 
> DO understand all this technological flib-flab.  They are 'cyberpunks'.  
> They realize WHEN to block their numbers and when there is no need to.
> 
> -- 
> Chad Helfenberger
> (chelf@lunatix.uucp) 

Just which amendment is being violated?  I assume you are saying it is
a violation of the right to privacy which is a penubra right derived
from the first and fouth amendments.  Just where does this violation
occur?  The constitution does not give someone the right to be stupid.
A lot of people don't know they have the right to refuse to have their
house searched (without a warrant) or that once their garbage leaves
their property it can be searched (if the garbage company allows it),
etc.  If you are not forced to reveal your phone number, where is the
violation of the right to privacy?
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:34:36 GMT

Try getting the other person to shout.. When I could hear the person it was
always quite faint. I checked with the phoneco and I'm on a 5ESS (or so the
guy in network managment says...the repair operator didn't know what a switch
was).
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:42:11 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.cyberpunk, Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:
>Try getting the other person to shout.. When I could hear the person it was
>always quite faint. I checked with the phoneco and I'm on a 5ESS (or so the
>guy in network managment says...the repair operator didn't know what a switch
>was).

Is there a posibility that the audio was not comming from the switch but
comming through the wire as crosstalk?  i.e., was the other person using
a phone in the same phone or the same building?

Curt Welch
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: Peter Hsrris <pharris@ucscm.ucsc.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Agrippa
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:41:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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>Path: darkstar.UCSC.EDU!hal.com!olivea!uunet!bcstec!hall

My goodness, talk about 
attributes, such as 
about as informative, in the final analysis, as saying that they breathe
air.) Perhaps a little sour grapes, or are we always so disgruntled?

Seriously, though, the act of destroying the artwork in an attempt to
limit its reproduction/dissemination is not a new one. Photographer Emmet
Gowan at one point was making 
printed he would destroy the negative.

If information can be replicated and disseminated at zero (or low) cost,
then if it effects the livelihood of enough people you can bet your sweet
ass that there will be some legislative controls (ever hear of the
copyright law?) imposed to preserve the sanctity  ; ) of the capitalist
system. Just try making dupes of your favorite videos and handing them
out for free-- see how long it takes to get shut down.
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: getting a life
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:33:16 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

>        Well it's nice to see someone reply to my message. By the way
>Korac (what kind of name is that anyway) my name is not George, I thought
all
> of you Cyber-punks spent all of your time on your computer not watching
T.V?
>
>        But onto something new, I've had a look at this work called Agrippa
>and I have to admit it sucks shit, it's just a bunch of repetative trash!

You are a little offensive and have a very stereotypical view of computer
users but you are correct about Agrippa.

Not everyone in Alt.Cyberpunk likes Gibson and the 'Cyberpunk authors.


P.S. While you are sitting there saying we have no lives for reading all of
these messages, one can't help but notice you are reading all of them
yourself.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dmoye@bnr.ca (Herb Tucker P920)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:11:09 GMT

Hey, I have an interesting question...  To all of you out there who have CID
up and running, how does it (or does it) handle call-waiting?  Does the person
you're talking to's number go away, and the new one appear, or do you not get
any info on the waiting call, or what??  Any help would be appreciated.

-David Moye

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: bmyers@well.sf.ca.us (Bryan L. Myers)
Subject: 2600 script
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:04:34 GMT


A script to 2600 costs $21 per year.  Be prepared to wait for the
first issue as they're slow from my experience.  Sincerely,
TeknoThor (bmyers@well.sf.ca.us) 12.14.92
From: marlin.johnson@the-matrix.com (Marlin Johnson) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: RE: CALLER ID BLOCK?
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: marlin.johnson@the-matrix.com (Marlin Johnson) 

-> > My local phone co. is going to test market caller ID in my area.
-> > Is there any way I can block this service by modifying my phone?

-> No, there is no way to block the service by modifying your phone.
-> Your phone doesn't provide the number to the called party, the switch
-> at the phone company central office provides the number.
-> The switch would have to be programmed to not provide your number.

Here in B'ham, AL there is a *-sequence you can prefix a phone call with
to disable caller ID on a per call basis.  I don't recall So. Central
Bell offering a service to disable ID from a number on every call.

Sidenote:  Not too long agp SCB altered the auto-dailback so that when
you trigger the service with a *69 a voice tells you when the last call
occured and gives you the full phone number.  Then you can press 1 to
initiate the callback.

Your milage may vary.


Marlin  (mjohnson@bsc835.uucp / marlin.johnson@the-matrix.com)
                                                                           
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: RE: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; NEW IDEA
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:09:15 GMT

It appears that MAT is starting a branch office of the Confederation
of Fascist Assholes. Where the hell do these people come from and
what kind of upbringing can produce such twisted little monsters?
 
"Pity the rabid dog, but put a bullet in his brain anyway."
                                              -- Me
 
                                              Saint Morphine
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:54:17 GMT

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>You misunderstand me.  CNID is a coming service, and I wish to purchase
>this service when it becomes available.  This service will provide me
>with the number calling me, provided it's both available and not
>blocked.  That does not obligate you to give me your number in
>advance... you may block ID if you wish.  I may also choose to ignore a
>call with blocked ID.  If the two wishes collide, I may not answer your
>call.  You'll get my machine instead.  Where's the harm?
>
>I may elect to block anonymous calls at the CO, in which case you would
>have to call back with ID enabled to get through. If it is important
>enough to you to speak with me, you'll do that.  

And what if "I" just happen to be somewhere without CID?  How will
I get through at all?

What about foreign calls?  I take it nobody will ever get thought to you
from a foreign country.
From: c60b-3fw@e260-2b.berkeley.edu (Jason Swierk)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID block...
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:59:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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i'm sorry (i think it was to bruce i was responding), but what i meant was 
that when you went to the phone company and told them to give you a phone, 
you agreed to let all ringing telephones invade your privacy.  you cannot
say that your friends' ringing is not an invasion and that unidentified
ringing is -- all telephone ringing, while you yourself have hooked up 
your telephone, is guaranteed to disturb your peace.

you have the option, as was stated in the earlier post regarding MCI, to 
find out who it is and hang up.  or hang up immediately.  that is your 
choice.  

but as long as your phone is plugged in, you have agreed to be bothered by
phone calls.

jason


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,soc.culture.japan
From: madison@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ben Madison)
Subject: Good Japanese scifi authors?
Summary: I've got two legs from my hips to the ground...
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:05:59 GMT


A friend of mine is returning to Japan for the holidays.  While she's 
there she'll have the chance to pick up some books...  I'd be interested
in hearing about any good Japanese science fiction authors to let her 
know about.  If you have any favorites then please send me e-mail.

Thanks!

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                                 thinking part that wonders what the
madison@ponder.csci.unt.edu      part that isn't thinking isn't 
madison@sol.acs.unt.edu          thinking of..."  TMBG
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mcclure@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gaeron McClure)
Subject: Re: Information and Power
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:26:25 GMT

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>Maybe an interesting thought. With the advent of hackers and such. Money and
>capital is now just information. After all when you transfer money from one
>acdount to another you are just sending electronic information and it has
>nothing much to do with physical items (bucks/money/dolor bill)
[...]
>the guts to use it.. In days gone by having land was the important thing for
>power, now having access to information seesm to be the power.

>Did I miss anything or can someone add anything?

	You might want to read Alvin Toffler's _Powershift_.  Lotta long-
winded bullshit, but it deals with your topic in detail.
	Or, alternatively, you could read my as-yet-unpublished mauscript on
"_Don_Quijote and _Neuromancer_" (no, I'm not kidding), which also discusses
some of the same issues.  That is, you could read it if you have a thing for
long-winded bullshit literary criticism in Spanish.  ;-)

GRiM (Gaeron R. McClure, Cheaply Purchased Anima) (mcclure@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk