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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Shetland spill
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:06:51 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

Here's some news from "The Scotsman" of 7th Jan:

Oil is still coming from the wreck.  High winds, rough seas, and chemical
dispersants sprayed from the air are containing the oil slick to a 7-mile
stretch of coastline and breaking it up.  It's fairly light crude oil and is
sinking below the surface in places, making it less dangerous for the
coastline.  Half the 84000 tonnes of oil may still be on board, and it's
feared that if the vessel breaks up, a cloud of potentially explosive vapour
would be released.  Parts of the coast are being protected by booms, and more
are being flown in.  The emergency services are relieved that the damage is
so far not nearly as bad as it could have been.  Nevertheless, scores of dead
seabirds have been washed up near Sumburgh Head.  Otters and seals may also
be contaminated.  Many varieties of fish have been washed up onto beaches.
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From: pmurphy@nrao.edu (Pat Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Michael O'Hehir
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:51:20 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory

Recently, a couple of people on the CELTIC-L list have been asking
about this famous sports commentator.  As at least one of these
doesn't have UseNet access, I offered to forward his question here and
pass on any replies/followups.  Here it is.  Please either post or
email me responses.  I'm curious too; last I saw of him was when he was
a guest reporter on some horse-racing show (ESPN?  Breeder's Cup
Turf?) a few years back.

 From: Pat Hegarty <paddy@GUEST.NWNET.NET>
 Sender: "CELTIC-L - The Celtic Culture List." <CELTIC-L%IRLEARN.bitnet@HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl>
 To: Multiple Recipients of <CELTIC-L%IRLEARN.bitnet@HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl>
 Subject:      Re: Nostalgia
 Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 92 20:04:17 GMT


 I can't remember his salutation, but I'll never forget his voice, and his
 marvellous commentary!  Is he still alive?
 Happy New Year!

 Pat Hegarty

 On Thu, 31 Dec 1992 someone else wrote on CELTIC-L:

 > As a boy (late forties), I used to listen to Michael O'Hehir's exciting
 > broadcasts on Radio Eireann of Gaelic football and hurling matches,
 > and horse races.
 >
 > He used a stirring (for me) greeting at the beginning of each programme
 > which, in my ignorance, I didn't understand.
 >
 > Would someone please post that greeting in Gaelic, phonetically in
 > English and with its meaning in English. I would like to be able to
 > say it and pronounce it correctly. I know I spelled Michael wrong, please
 > correct this also.
 >
 > Thanks.


				- Pat
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From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Any news on the Shetland Oil spill??
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:50:39 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <7127@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> minty@cguhpa.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Elspeth Minty) writes:
>failed due to the attrocious weather conditions ( gale force 9 and upwards ). 

Just thought I'd mention that this is hardly exeptional wather for the
North sea at this time of year, as anyone who catches the shipping
forecast will know.. My beloved used to sail in the North sea
on a ship crewed by Scots, Americans, Hondurans and Australians. They
used to map the seabed and also sailed in Africa, the Mediterranean, the
China Sea, the Gulf of MExico - anywhere where oil is sought.

He tells me that sailors regard the North sea in Winter as the most
fearsome sea in the world. Something to do with it being shallow
as well as windy and wintry..


>
>The main question to be raised by this incident (apart from the whole issue 
>of carrying such huge amounts of oil at sea in the first place) is what a 
>tanker sailing from Norway to Canada was doing passing so close to the 
>Shetlands in such bad weather in t
>he first place. 

A letter in todays "Herald" mentions that locals suspect tankers use
this route ( which saves 80 miles in a cross-Atlantic journey) because
the TV reception is better.


M

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	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
From: monet@carson.u.washington.edu (Diana Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Burns night
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:21:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i9rmsINNb8s
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

The Seattle Caledonian-St. Andrews Society will be having its annual Burns
night celebration on Sat. Jan 23 - serving roast beef, chicken, haggis,
nips and   tatties (or vegetarian, if you're so inclined).  We'll have
tributes to Bobbie Burns, sing songs, etc.  If you're interested, the
tickets are $12.00 each.  Call Robbie Phillips for tickets & info. 882-2911.
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
Date:  5 Jan 93 06:15:55 GMT

From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
>In article <1992Dec27.235242.13342@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>>Now this is interesting because a few years back, the then Lord Lyon King
>>of Arms, head of the College of HEralds in Scotland, Sir Thomas Innes of
>>Learnay by name threatened to imprison tourists who made use of tartans to
>>which they were not entitled. He may have been completly  batty, of
>>course, but presumably he has SOME legal grounds for doing this.
>
>Scots law on the use of heraldry is administered far more
>strictly by Lyon King of Arms than is English heraldic law by
>Garter King of Arms. Presumably usage of tartans is an extension
>of this.
>
>The court of chivalry in England last met in 1953, and hadn't
>met since the 18th century before that. In England, anyone
>wanting to use a coat of arms can do so if they can prove male
>descent from someone entitled to use it. In Scotland, however,
>anyone wanting to use arms must register with Lyon King of
>Arms, and will be given a differencing to use to distinguish
>from others using the same arms.
>
>Matthew Huntbach

Could you please expound upon the term 'given a differencing to use' in 
your last sentence.
Thanks,

Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.
"Legitimize dissent in Canada!"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Re: Kilts
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:40:48 GMT

newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:

>This is one of the many modern myths.  The Prohibition only outlawed
>the wearing of tartan if the person was a male not in the army.  So, in
>other words, women or enlisted men could wear it.  And it was repealed
>within a few decades.  It wasn't enforced widely, only in a few
>rebellious districts.

>mn

I have other information on this.  Perhaps, this is just a perpetration
of a myth, as you say, but here it is anyway.  
 
Quotations are from the Disarming Act of 1746

-------------
It is an offence to "within that part of Great Britain called Scotland...
on any pretext whatsoever, [to] wear or put on the clothes commonly 
called highland clothes [ie] the Plaid, Philabeg, or little Kilt, Trowse,
Shoulder-belts, or any part whatsoever of what peculiarly belongs to the 
Highland Garb; and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid or stuff shall 
used for Great Coats or upper coats".  

The punishment for those found guilty, on the evidence of even one
witness was six months in jail for the first offence and "transportation"
for seven years for the second.  
--------------

This, of course, has no bearing on the actual enforcement the law.  It
is possible that no-one ever recieved these penalties, or that they were
widely used.  To learn the true extent of usage, aside from all myth, 
would probably require a re-examination of the primary documentations.

Katherine Merle Mason
From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Colors, Kilt, Social Class
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:38:20 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>I know that in ancient Irish society the more colors you wore the higher your
>social class.. Migth also explain the Scots habit of Tartans and Kilts..

  Unlike most places, wool in Scotland was dyed before it was woven -- so
checked patterns are a natural way to weave together wools which may not be
uniformly coloured.
  Scottish society was not a very stratified, class oriented society.  This
is not a good explanation of tartans.  According to an early traveller to
Scotland, a Scottish native could tell the region a person came from (in
Scotland) from the pattern of the tartan, since local weavers had particular
styles (colour, weave, etc).
  The Scottish habit of kilt wearing is more because of the terrain and
means of travel in the early days of Scotland, and the earliest reference
to this is found in an Icelandic saga written in 1093.

>Also heard that the old style kilt at time was also used as a early form of
>camoflage.. (ever seen a Stewart Tarten dirty, it makes good camoflage)

  Sounds like more misunderstandings.  The old kilt style was more like
the Irish saffron shirt (not a subdued camoflage colour) and tartans have
always been bright and colourful.

mn
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:8553 soc.culture.british:18208 sci.archaeology:3112 soc.history:10550
From: tperreau@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (The Mad Scot)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,sci.archaeology,soc.history
Subject: Re: Britain/Ireland 400-1100 AD+
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:30:40 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <1993Jan4.160647.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>In article <28193@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>> I'm going to be taking a class in about a month on the archaeology
>> of the period 400-1100 AD in Britain & Ireland.  I'm interested in
>> doing some reading about this period beforehand, preferably not
>> narrowly archaeological in nature (save that for the class).
>> I'd prefer good references to books on its political & cultural / art
>> history, & anything else that mite help my understanding of the
>> period. I'm fairly well acquainted with material on Ireland, somewhat
>> on the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, & pretty much clueless about Scotland
>> & the other Celtic kingdoms of Britain, during that period.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> ==mwh
>
>There is a whole series of books about Ireland. First one is 'Ireland before
>the Vikings" I will need to find the info on the books.. I never can find
>anything when I need it.. 
>
>
>
>Michael Adams
>Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
>nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

I know the series youo are talking about.  There are several books,
one of which is _Ireland before the Vikings_.  Then there is _Ireland
before the Normans_ and _Celtic Ireland_ by Eionn MacNeil (sp?) -- 
_Celtic Ireland_ is used by many researchers as an excellent primary
source.

There is another book that I have, called _Midieval Ireland_ by some
German professor (it's the English translation) that is available
through History Book Club.  This too is an excellent source of
material.


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From: 8806748@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: "The Crying Game" (movie)
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:07:12 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1h7kl6INNs91@agate.berkeley.edu>, sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell) writes:
> The movie "The Crying Game" is just now coming out in the USA.  How long  
> ago had this been showing in England, Ireland and Scotland?  How was it  
> received (critically, ticket sales)?  Or is it possible that its  
> distribution was squelched due to the sensitive subject matter?
> 
> The main plot (without giving away the Hitchcock-ian surprises) of "The  
> Crying Game" is:  a group of IRA terrorists (please, no flames on my word  
> choice) kidnaps an English serviceman in Belfast, and the IRA man who ends  
> up being responsible for his death travels to London to befriend the  
> girlfriend of the serviceman.
> 
> The movie is getting rave reviews in the USA, and is getting full  
> attendance here at the theatre in Berkeley.  I wouldn't give it five  
> stars, but it was definitely worth seeing.
> --
> Greg Sandell
> Research Fellow, Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT)
> sandell@cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu

The reviews I read here were also very good, and I know that Neil Jordan was
pleased with the reponse and said that the movie was in profit. However, as it
was made for (I think) less than 5 million pounds that doesn't neccessarily
mean that it's been a huge success over here. I would have to venture the 
opinion that Patriot Games and the other current Hollywood blockbusters are
almost always more popular than local movies. Now, I know that My Left Foot and
currently Into the West (with Gabriel Byrne and Ellen Barkin) are exceptions to
the rule, and maybe the Committments(an American director, a British crew?), but
there is an interesting point here.
	I live in Limerick, pop 100,000 (very approx). There is one 5 screen
cinema. It is currently showing Into the West, Death Becomes Her, A Few Good Men
The BodyGuard, and Home Alone 2. Over the entire period of 1992 I would say it's
shown fewer than 5 non-American movies. I am not being critical of the US movie
industry, they just make the films, we go to see them. And there's not 
neccessarily anything wrong with that. It's just interesting...
	As for my own opinion of The Crying Game, I can't say. It hasn't come to
our cinema at all yet, and it may not make it at all. Neil Jordan's last movie,
The Miracle (a wonderful film, very underrated) played to an audience of 4 when
I went to see it during it's first and last week here, while Lethal Weapon 3 
played here for 2 months recently. 
					John McDonnell,
					eternal student,
					Univ. Limerick.
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:41:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Dec27.235242.13342@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>Now this is interesting because a few years back, the then Lord Lyon King
>of Arms, head of the College of HEralds in Scotland, Sir Thomas Innes of
>Learnay by name threatened to imprison tourists who made use of tartans to
>which they were not entitled. He may have been completly  batty, of
>course, but presumably he has SOME legal grounds for doing this.

Scots law on the use of heraldry is administered far more
strictly by Lyon King of Arms than is English heraldic law by
Garter King of Arms. Presumably usage of tartans is an extension
of this.

The court of chivalry in England last met in 1953, and hadn't
met since the 18th century before that. In England, anyone
wanting to use a coat of arms can do so if they can prove male
descent from someone entitled to use it. In Scotland, however,
anyone wanting to use arms must register with Lyon King of
Arms, and will be given a differencing to use to distinguish
from others using the same arms.

Matthew Huntbach
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:06:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C0DLFF.3MI
Organization: Open Communications Forum



Perhaps what the person really read was a case of someone attempting to wear
one of the very rare tartans restricted to the Royal Family (or, I seem to
remember there are some restricted to a couple of clan chiefs). I know of no
commonly-known clan tartan that is restricted in use. As a previous poster
said, the tradition is to wear tartan of a clan you feel some loyalty for, and
anyone who so feels is entitled.

(And what of all those tartans stolen by various dressmakers and shirting
companies? I somehow can't see the Lyon office prosecuting all folk who are 
wearing a tartan in mistaken belief it is like Madras...sort of a random 
pattern of cross-striping. Both the Lyon court and the embassies of dozens of
countries would be swamped!  :-)

Suze
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: jsdph@acad3.alaska.edu (Dennis P. Harris)
Subject: another burns night
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:16:00 GMT

also on january 23, if you're north of seattle ---

the stroller white pipes and drums are sponsoring a burns night dinner at
centennial hall, juneau, alaska.  pipe music by the band, dancing music after
dinner by the taku gaels, and the usual haggis, tatties, and neeps.  haggis
piped in with the usual burns poetic salute.  tickets (advance only, so they
know hw much haggis to steam) $15 adults, $12.50 uas students, $7.50 for
children.  complimentary athol brose for those over 21, and a no host bar (i
hope we've finally got them trained to serve single malts this time!).

no, this is not the farthest north pipe band in the world --- we're at the same
latitude as edinburgh, with much the same climate.  farthest north pipe band is
in fairbanks, alaska.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: dolonsgh@unix1.tcd.ie (DL)
Subject: Accents
Keywords: accent
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:33:12 GMT

Shetland islanders in news reports seemed to be speaking in an accent
closer to Northern Ireland than Scotland.
Did anyone else notice this?
Does anyone know why their accent is like that?

Donal O Loingsigh
dolonsgh@unix1.tcd.ie

Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:8655 soc.culture.british:18476
From: mntneer@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: This Favorite Lie Again.
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:53:54 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1993Jan6.101550.6899@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk 
(Matthew Huntbach) writes :
> But this is precisely what has been done. The British
> government unilaterally closed down Northern Ireland's devolved
> government, and won't restore it until the Unionists agree to a
> power-sharing system.

If you are referring to the sunningdale devolved government; saying that the
british government "unilaterally" closed it down, is being a bit generous.

As my memory serves, that NI government was ended after a general strike by the
"unionist" population. It would be more accurate to say they acceeded to "strong
persuasion"
Curiously, it is one of the only (if not the only) general strike that achieved
its aims.

Regards
	Ciaran Ruane (Fidonet: Ciaran.Ruane@2:263/167)


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From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:33:58 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

>Therefore we can assume he had plenty of military ties. Hence his piper
>wearing tartan. However, the poor highlanders living thereabouts would
>also have been of his clan, but the suggestion is still made that they
>are not allowed to wear their preferred form of dress.

  What is significant is the person himself, the piper.  If he is considered
as being in the military, it's allowed.  But I don't know how that would
have been officially decided... perhaps depending on the status of the Duke,
his organisation of men, etc...

>Michael said earlier that the act prohibiting tartan wearing as stipulated
>above was repealed "within a few decades". Any more info on that?

  I'm pretty sure the lift on the ban was 1792.

mn
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:8604 talk.environment:5366
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Any news on the Shetland Oil spill??
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:01:21 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

jmm@scarabz.Corp.Sun.COM wrote:
> I read an article in the San Jose Mercury News stating that a single-hull
> Liberian tanker had run aground on or around the Shetland Islands and that
> the potential spill is twice that of the Valdez fiasco.

Liberian my arse.  It's jointly American- and Norwegian-owned: the Liberian
registration is the usual flag-of-convenience trick to cheat the sailors (a
mixture of Filipinos and Greeks) of the legal protection even the US labour
laws would give them.  Not only was the ship single-hulled, it was single-
engined: the "accident" was caused by the engine failing while the ship was
moving through a narrow channel in a near-hurricane (which had been blowing
for days, so it's not like they got taken by surprise).  No attempt was
made to slow the ship by dropping anchor.  On the captain's orders the crew
abandoned ship an hour before a tug could get to it: so there was nobody
aboard to attach a line (and who can blame them for doing a runner when the
company gave them the compensation rights of a lab rat?).  It is now half-
submerged at Garth Ness, leaking 85,000 tons of light crude.  The slick has
plastered the shore from Horse Island (the extreme south of the Mainland)
to Loch of Spiggie and is being driven northwards up the west coast.
Quendale bay is one huge slick.  The oil is being driven inland by the
wind: grasslands and even sheep are turning brown with oil.

The owners (Michael Hudner from the US and Arvid Bergvall of Norway) carry
466 million pounds worth of third-party insurance, which is less than half
the costs incurred by the far smaller Exxon Valdez spill.

[ information mostly from today's Herald (Glasgow) ]

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