From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Facts #0
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:30:15 GMT

In <1992Nov6.042500.22202@inesc.pt> hpb@avila (Henrique Pedro Brandao) writes:
>   I've been folowing your four posts witch you call facts, already 
>gessing the content in them.

>   The FACT is, those are NOT facts by the simple reason, they're a result
>from an Indonesian Government manipulation, as an excuse for the  
>incidents that happened on the 12th November 1991 and also for what
>happened when Portugal initiated the East Timor decolonization process.
- I stated CLEARLY that I obtained the source from the Indonesian Embassy.
  You and I can take that into consideration when reading it.
  If you want to call it Indonesian Gov. version, fine by me.
  At least now we know, what the Indonesian Gov. view is.

- IMHO (In my humble opinion), the Indonesian Gov. is not trying to
  find exuses for the November 12 incident. They stated clearly that 
  it shouldn't have happened and they regretted. They state this over 
  and over.
>   When there are two parties involved that fight in opposite ways, we
>cannot clear up questions of a third party, using "facts" from only one
>of those parties or from their allies. We have to resort to facts disclosed
>by some party which is not, direct or indirectly involved.

>   Therefore, the "facts" that show up on your posts, are nothing more 
>than internal propaganda, to show to the people of Indonesia the angelic
>rulers they have (I don't always believe on what my Government says).

Heh heh heh, I bet no matter what, you wouldn't read any sources other
than "your own" sources. I mean most Indonesian who have access to this
newsgroup have access to western newspapers and tv. I read, watched
news from any sources.
>   Worst thing is, you believe in what your Government tells without 
>knowing that (contrary to what is told to you) is showed by :
>INDEPENDENT reports, video shootage and UN resolutions (check the "LAWYER's
>view of Timor history" post).

I watched the video, it was broadcasted nationally here in Canada.
I don't have access to the 'LAWYER's view of Timor history' so can't comment
on that.  I also read many postings in other newsgroups and mailing list 
(eg from John Apakabar postings. Hi John :-)
The point is: I tried to keep to be open minded.
Did I ever label your sources as Portugal's propaganda ?
>   In the middle of all of this, are the Timorese people which are the
>most affected as well as the Indonesians, which are not blame for the 
>Government they have.
I am sorry, I couldn't catch what you said there.
>: I hope they can answer some questions.
>   Unfortunately they didn't...
I am sorry.
>Pedro
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