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From: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Les Kriegler)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Using Vocal-Eyes and WordPerfect Office
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:17:17 GMT
Reply-To: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/207 - The Recovery Room, Rochester NY
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23838

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I spoke with Doug about the problem I had previously reported
with Vocal-Eyes locking up under the WordPerfect Shell in
Office.  He is aware of the problem, and states that by
disabling the autoloading feature, the program will work
properly.  This is indeed the case.  The autoloading feature
is invoked by starting Vocal-Eyes with the following
parameter, Ve /a0.  If anyone is having problems with the
Shell, this should solve it.  I also contacted WordPerfect
Corporation, and hopefully, they will be in contact with Doug
on this one.  Regards, Les

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From: David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Andrews)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: CD_ROM
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:14:48 GMT
Reply-To: David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23826

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

If you are going to get into CD-ROM heavily, I would take a serious
look at ASAP as a screen review program.  It often gives you a leg up
at accessing complex, unfamiliar applications.

David Andrews

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From: Paul.Nobrega@p0.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Nobrega)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Slimware Window Bridge
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:14:03 GMT
Reply-To: Paul.Nobrega@p0.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/266.0 - Vision, Ottawa ON
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23822

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

i can't resist and must chip in here and say that you guys are being
most unfair in making the statements you are on products you know
nothing about. i am using syntha-voice products and will put them up
against any other program. further more, i don't think that any other
firm can be more supportive of their products through their tole free
line accessable in the whole of north aerica.   please don't cross the
bridge. all the same, i wich you the best.
paul

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From: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Hallenbeck)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Art and the Blind
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:11:46 GMT
Reply-To: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23790

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

For the past two or three weeks I have been working on a very
interesting project.  Exhibits, USA, a part of Mid-America Arts
Alliance, is touring a show that is designed for the blind and visually
impaired.  The show is called "Please Touch!" and consists of 74 models
of faces, poses, positions in dance, etc., and these include some
ordinary folks as well as several United States Presidents, including
George Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, etc., and musicians such as
Dizzie Gillespie.  The sculptures are made made by a process called
"lifecasting."  I know there is a considerable amount of controversy
around whether or not such displays are needed, and I, for one, have
been opposed in the past.  Perhaps they are not, but I think that I
personally can experience some things that I have not experienced before
which I can live nicely without but which might make me a more
knowledgable person in conversation, etc.  People can describe these
things to me, but I think I can gain even more if I have the opportunity
to see them.

Why do I tell you this?  I am interested to learn what others think of
"Touch art."

My part of the project was to make braille brochures, exhibit labels,
and panels to hang on the wall concerning the project; and I intend to
try to see this project in K.C.

Cindy Hallenbeck

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From: Bill.Freeman@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Hatred
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:29:21 GMT
Reply-To: Bill.Freeman@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23897

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

-> I AM deaf.  My hostility is towards those people who accuse my of not
-> "accepting" the fact that I am deaf, and looking down on me because I
-> prefer to continue to belong to the hearing culture that I grew up in
-> (I became deaf as an adult), and because I do not want to switch over
-> to Deaf Culture -- which I regard as foreign to me.

Hello Laurel,

While I was in Montgomery this past week taking the Alabama Bar, I
watched the weekly Deaf Mosaic on Discovery early on Saturday
morning.

The episode dealt with the issue of cochlear implants - an issue I
have seen you discussing in this forum.

My impression is that many deaf people believe (wrongfully, in my
opinion) that having some sort of technology implanted to help one
better interface to the hearing world in some way makes their
interface to the deaf community less meaningful - less alive. By
the end of the show, a deaf activist was comparing allowing these
implants to continue to the Holocaust. I felt this was all very
Xenophobic, and quite uncalled for. It kept occuring to me that one
is only as alive as they care to be, and that if you wrapped your
entire life up in being disabled in some way, the individual
becomes his own executioner - there is no one else to blame.

I don't know if cochlear implants actually work or not, but seems
they have been highly politicized, and Lord knows why. When I get
the opportunity, I plan to have my left hip replaced, and other
corrective surgery on that leg - not because I have any contempt
for my status as a member of the community of people with
disabilities, but because I want to be the best I can be. Given the
choice of walking well or not walking at all - where the choice is
mostly mine - seems to be an easy choice to me. Is the hip implant
technology bad because it makes my disability less of an obstacle -
I don't see it that way at all.

I'm sorry to hear someone is abusing you because they apparently
disagree with your views. It's been my experience that when people
become all balled up in their cause (enthusiasts or zealots), they
lose their pragmatic and logical abilities. You've always seemed
very pragmatic and logical to me, and I've enjoyed reading tidbits
of your messages. Please don't get frustrated that everyone doesn't
have the "cool" to say what they mean in a way not intended to
offend.

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From: Ernie.Hamblin@f21.n266.z1.fidonet.org (Ernie Hamblin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: NEED SPORTS ACTIVITY
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:25:45 GMT
Reply-To: Ernie.Hamblin@f21.n266.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:266/21 - Capital City BBS, Burlington NJ
X-Fidonet: Abled Athlete Conference

Index Number: 23878

[This is from the Abled Athlete Conference]

On October 11, 1990 I fell through temporary flooring at General
Electric in Moorestown, NJ.  As a result of the fall I dislocated
my right knee tearing all four of the major structural ligaments.
It seems all the good sports doctors have had a crack at it in the
last 20 months, with less than successful results.  I still have
severe instability in it, every step is an adventure.  As a result
of which I lost my job with GE because I could no longer perform
what was a very physical job.

I am 25 years old and have had 10 sugreries including 3 complete
reconstructions, the last of which was performed by Bo Jackson's
doc, Dr.  Bill Clancy of Birmingham.

In 1989 I played for the Frankford Yellow Jackets semi-pro football
team and hoped to further my career by catching a scout's eye.
Unfortunately, the injury finished all thoughts of that.

After being a very physically competitive person, I am having
extreme difficulty coping with my current condition.  I try, but I
really must take extreme care when walking, so running is out of
the question.

I need to find organized sports activities with people in similar
situation to stoke the competitive fires again.  My doctors told me
that unless technology catches up I will not be able to walk by the
time I'm 30.  I cannot seem to accept that.  However, if that is
the case, I want to find something to keep me going until it is no
longer an option.  I'll coach or play just about any sport.  I miss
the atmosphere of competition.  If anyone has any thoughts or ideas
I would welcome a reply.  Thank You.  Ernie Hamblin

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From: Edward.Delgrosso@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Edward Delgrosso)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: TBT & BBR textfiles
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:07:02 GMT
Reply-To: Edward.Delgrosso@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/140 - Black Bag BBS, Newark DE
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23758

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a msg on <Jul 28 20:23>, Warren Figueiredo of 1:2610/12 writes:

 WF> Would anyone like to get TALKING BOOK TOPICS and BRAILLE BOOK
 WF> REVIEW online? Before I ask NLS I want to see if there would be
 WF> any demand.

   There would be here..... great idea!!!

ED

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From: Robert.Gilchrist@f715.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Gilchrist)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: music composition
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:10:45 GMT
Reply-To: Robert.Gilchrist@f715.n153.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:153/715 - The BandMaster, Vancouver BC
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23809

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 On 07-20-92 Don Barrett wrote to All...

 DB> Hey out there in the big wide world:
 DB> Does anyone know of a music writing program that is
 DB> accessiblt in either speech or braille.  I am not so much
 DB> interested in playing music on the computer, but in
 DB> actually writing down compositions in musical notation
 DB> that is good enough to be publishable.  Any ideas would be
 DB> vastly and greatly appreciated.  Thanks much in advance
Don From Rob
You may have a problem with finding a music program that is accessible
in Braille or Speech. The reason is that any music programs I have seen
use graphics characters to stand-for or draw the musical symbols. You
could try using 8-dot Braille, or if your speech program has a
dictionary you might be able to redefine the characters so that what the
Screen Reading program reads is interpreted the way you want. It will be
alot of work.

I hope that I am incorrect on these points, since it would be nice in
this case to stand corrected.
Rob
(VE7CZV)

... OFFLINE 1.35 * Format another (Y/N)?

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From: Shelby.Sherman@f67.n123.z1.fidonet.org (Shelby Sherman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Chronic Pain
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:26:43 GMT
Reply-To: Shelby.Sherman@f67.n123.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:123/67 - Shelby's Swamp, Bartlett TN

Index Number: 23883

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Hello all

I am very interested in the management of chronic pain, especially
cancer pain and the pain of Sickle Cell anemia.  I have no idea of
the amount of traffic or content of this echo as I just picked it
up.  All correspondence will be welcome and I would be glad to
offer whatever contribution that I can.

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From: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Vixen)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: DOGS AND LANDLORDS
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:10:47 GMT
Reply-To: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23783

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Ron,

The law or civil code that you post in your message to me is the
very same civil code that I am now finding that when push really
comes to shove is easily defeated by landlords and hotel managers.

The code seems quite clear and specific to me but it is apparently
not as effective as it "reads" to be. To make matters worse, and I
am really really tee'd off about this, when I have gone to the
State Guide Dog Board, to the social services department of Guides
Dogs for the Blind and the National Federation of the Blind, of
which I am a member, I have been pretty much told the same thing.
That is, "Oh well, landlords should'nt charge a pet deposit" and
"It is against the law for hotels to refuse occupancy because of a
dog guides presence."  But the reality is, that is all you get, lip
service. Apparently, when you're blind person fighting right there
and now on the street, you are on your own.

This is one blink who is just about fed up with the true
uselessness of NFB, ACB, and every other so typed organization
supposedly designed to assistand support the blind. They all have
big talk and organizational plans at meeting time, but when it
comes to getting into the real trenches with you when you need
them, forget it!

Oh well, I digress!

Keepin' the faith!

.                              Vixen

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From: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Pike)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Screen Reader
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:11:34 GMT
Reply-To: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/49 - Calliope's Den, Garrison NY
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23812

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Willie,

 WW>     I don't particularly want to get involved in this discussion, but..

Certainly don't blame you there!

 WW>      Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get our hands on a demo of
 WW> Screen Reader so we wouldn't have to leave this debate up to just you
 WW> two?

That certainly would be nice!  I have brought up the point that we
are one of the few packages that don't have a demo version
available.  I can't promise anything, but it is being discussed.
Naturally, there a lot of questions about what should or should not
be in a demo version and how to release a version that shows how
the whole system works without releasing the system for free.
There are also legal concerns, and the extra cost involved in
building a new system specifically for demonstration purposes.
Again, no promises, but it is being discussed.  I'll keep you
posted on what's going on.

/Greg

... I'm still alive.

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From: Curtis.Oglesby@f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org (Curtis Oglesby)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Fried Death !!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:39:18 GMT
Reply-To: Curtis.Oglesby@f1.n360.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:360/1 - Augusta Forum, North Augusta SC
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23941

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

 JC>     Spinal cord injury and eating are very closely linked.  A
 JC> good balanced diet and good health are linked.  I don't think
 JC> scrapple should be a daily part of any diet, but I think it can
 JC> be an occassional treat.  I think the sensible diet involves lots
 JC> of fruits and vegetables.  I try to keep my fruit and vegetable
 JC> count 3-4 times greater than my red meat and eggs.

 JC>     This may be lead to an increase in methane gas releases at
 JC> times and the EPA may be ready to launch an investigation soon.

I try to eat "sensible" and I blow up like a basketball because I
can't "increase the releases."  Really painful.  The quad irony.

Antihistimines provide relief from sinus drainage but relax the
bladder muscles.  The quad irony.

Maintenance dosages of antibiotics fend off infections but are hard
on the stomach.  The quad irony.

I could go on.

Curt

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From: Dan.Kysor@f730.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Nls And Nfb
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:59:35 GMT
Reply-To: Dan.Kysor@f730.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/730 - QST, Sacramento CA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23708

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 WF> What sort of books do you want? What do you think is missing from the
 WF> NLS  collection.
hi warren, first of all its nice to get a message from you, hear ya all the
time but never jump in.
i would like to see more books that are present in books stores and not
those titles present on old dusty shelves.
for example, it really ticks me off that nls will not release the
unabridged version of the stand.  they could have dian eilenberg simply
read the uncut section and release the recording, thats too logical i

know... dan
... "I SURE FEEL MORE LIKE NOW THAN I DID AWHILE AGO!"

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From: Warren.Figueiredo@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Figueiredo)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Megadots
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:17:48 GMT
Reply-To: Warren.Figueiredo@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23841

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

MegaDots can import/export to Q&A Write 1.0 and Q&A 3.0 and 4.0. These
conversions are part of the supplemental conversion packages.

I have never worked with any Q&A files.
Warren

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From: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Hallenbeck)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Art and the blind
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:23:34 GMT
Reply-To: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23868

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DC> Did you read the article in last month's Braille Monitor
 DC> regarding the exhibit in Chicago which is doing tours for blind
 DC> people, and the reporter who went through it with his eyes
 DC> closed to experience what it would be like for a blind person
 DC> to go through the house?  The article the reporter did was
 DC> absolutely ridiculous, and a blind patron of the arts wrote a
 DC> letter to the editor of the Chicago Tribune which the Monitor
 DC> reprints.  I'm like you, not into touch art, but this lady is
 DC> someone who has been into it all her life, and you may want to
 DC> try to contact her if you are interested in learning about it.
 Hi, Doug,

No, I haven't read it yet.  My sense is that sometimes we get over
sensitive about this sort of thing.  I will admit that the project which
I produced in braille had a rather "sappy" bit about Helen Keller in it,
but our fundraising (NFB fundraising) has such.  Though I don't like it,
it gets attention.

I think any person who goes through an exhibit with his/her eyes closed,
or simulates blindness in any way without appropriate guidance from
those who know what it is like to be blind and have training, (the
blind) are doing themselves and the blind an injustice.

I will read the article.  I started it once, and I will complete it.

Cindy Hallenbeck

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From: Barbara.Akin@p0.f15.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Akin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Buying a lap top
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: Barbara.Akin@p0.f15.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:114/15.0 - St Joes Hospital, Phoenix AZ
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23842

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi All,
I am in the process of buying a new lap top note book size computer.
I think the one I like best presently, is the Toshiba 2200SX.
Are any of you out there using that model, and if not, if you are using
a note book size machine, what is it, and what models do you like using.
I know I'd have to use external speech synthicizer with it, but that
would not bother me.
I would also need to show graphics on it, (with a color VGA monitor
pluggged into the screen port)
This is obviously for my colliuges wh would be working with me.
So, if any one has any other good suggestions on good, durable lap top
note book size computers, please let me know.
It has to be a very sturdy machine, as I will be traveling quite a bit
with it, and my entire business will be kept track of on it.
Againthanks for any help you may be able to give here.

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From: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Pike)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Screen Reader
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:59:43 GMT
Reply-To: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/49 - Calliope's Den, Garrison NY
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23709

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

David,

Again, in the interest of brevity, I won't quote your entire note
here.  Rather, I'll break it into parts and reply to the individual
points in seperate notes.  Here we go again.

 >the software package.  Why do you think this particular problem was
 >related
 >solely to IBM's Screen Reader?  Have you tried to duplicate the same
 >actions
 >under JAWS, Flipper, TinyTalk, VocalEyes, etc?  Do you know how any of
 >those
 >packages would perform under the same circumstances?
 DT>   Yes, as a matter of fact I have.  I have used and
 DT> currently use and train with on virtually every speech
 DT> software available for the IBM and clones.  How many
 DT> speech packages do you know how to use?

Well, what access packages I know how to use certainly isn't the
point, but just for the record, I've used JAWS, Flipper, and
OutSpoken for the Mac, as well as Screen Reader, of course, and I
have the latest version of TinyTalk and an old version of Artic
that I haven't had the chance to play with.  I think there's an old
copy of Vert around somewhere, too, but as I said earlier, it's
irrelevant.

The question was how do other packages perform under the same
circumstances, in particular I think Tracy was trying to use a 5250
emulator.  The emulator is an IBM product, so it's not surprising
that IBM provides explicit support for it in the base Screen Reader
package.  I suspect that other packages would handle it just like a
normal application, but since I don't use the emulator, I can't
test it to see.  Can you?  Back to the original question again, how
do other packages perform under the same circumstances?

/Greg

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