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From: burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin)
Subject: Re: duke/unc coexistence
Summary: A History Lesson on Same Conference NCAA Championships
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:16:37 GMT

In article <Bz41Hn.5ws@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <Bz3yB4.EoB@apollo.hp.com> Stuart "Switzerland" Troutman writes:
>>Sure, bring 
>>on a Duke-UNC NCAA Final.
>
>NEVER!  Don't ever put conference rivals in a final game like that, as it
>would ruin the entire rivarly for the next 20 or 30 years.

	Right, David.  Just like the 1976 Indiana-Michigan
	final ruined that rivalry.  Or the 1985 Villanova-
	Georgetown flushed that series down the tubes.  Or
	the 1988 Kansas-Oklahoma final turned that match-up
	into a who-cares contest.

	We sure wouldn't want the same thing to happen to
	Duke-UNC.

	--rb
From: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: RE: Kentucky mash'ed Louisville
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Fifth Dimension - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 

Ray Horton wrote:
-> Sorry to correct you after your superb earlier message on the
-> subject, Gil, but Thompson WAS a senior in '86 and Gordon was in the
-> NBA by then. You may be thinking of the '83 team (the year of the
-> first "dream game" - another final four year).

You are most likely correct, Ray. Since I don't have my walking
encyclopedia (my son) here to authenticate Billy Thompson's status I
will bow to your superior knowledge. Maybe it was because he played like
a freshman, IMHO. Are you SURE about Gordon? <g>
From: 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil (CDR Fred C. Wyse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke schedule request
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil (CDR Fred C. Wyse)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.basketball.college, wcohen@allegra.att.com (William Cohen) writes:
>Could anyone post or mail me Duke's schedule for this year?
>
I'd like one also.  Thanks.
			     Fred Wyse
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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Sagarin's rating - DUH!
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:37:34 GMT

jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>This idiot has Mich. St and Nebraska way overrated. Oregon St just got
>crushed by SW Missouri St, who is not even picked to win the Missouri
>Valley.

	Actually, this idiot's ratings don't settle down for awhile.
Expect them to be better after conference play begins. BTW, why should
you care where Jeff has teams in his ratings?? We won't know about MSU
until they play Iowa, UMich, IU etc. We won't know about NU until they
play KU, Mizzou, OU, etc. Be patient!!
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From: fzimmerm@csd630a.erim.org (Fred Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
In-reply-to: vincent@lagrange's message of Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:20:47 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:15:34

And how about the Big Ten in 1976-77 (which dates me):  Indiana, with
four future NBA players in its starting five (Buckner, Benson, Wilkerson,
Scott May) versus Michigan, with Phil Hubbard (who would have been
one of the greatest ever if he hadn't blown out his knee) and Rickey Green
(who I think is *still* playing in the NBA, after one of the longest
careers ever), Wayman Britt, and Steve Grote?

The two teams met in the NCAA finals.
From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:44:13 GMT
Subject: Temple Owls-- Where R U?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college




	looking for news of the owls b-ball achievements to date...

	i saw 'em on espn and they looked their scrapy selves; 
	a typical john chaney team-- not pretty but they get the
	job done.

	anyone in philly-town who could provide occasional updates?


many thanx,
pjm  class o' 86

	TEMPLE OWLS ARE EVERYWHERE!
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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: tOSU announces contract extension for Randy Ayers
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:29:56


Kurt Zielenback writes:

> The Ohio State University's Athletic Director Jim Jones announced a five
> year contract extension for mens's basketball coach Randy Ayers.  When
> added on to the years remaining on Ayer's current contract, it gives him
> steady employment through June 30, 1999!

Good.  It's about time.  Randy has helped make OSU a program where the
coaching position is the highlight of your career (as opposed to a stepping
stone), but it's still nice to know he'll be around awhile.


> a sidebar:  the same issue of the Dispatch contains a pointed editorial
> blaming former Buckeye All-American Jimmy Jackson's expanding ego on his
> ability to turn down a guaranteed four year contract worth $10.8 million
> from the Dallas Mavericks.  The editorial, by Dispatch columnist Dick
> Fenlon, goes on to detail an incident in the 1991 Pan american games
> between JJ and usenet whipping boy Christian Laettner, who were teammates
> on the U.S. team. 

... story of Jimmy telling CL who's boss deleted ...

I never know who to blame in these things.  On the one hand, JJ was such an
unselfish player on the court that it's hard to conceive of him being so
greedy off it.  At the same time, if JJ wants to play, I'm sure he could
tell his agent to quit screwing around & get the deal done.  He should be
happy he'd be getting a 4-year contract (as opposed to a 5).  That would get
him to free agency that much quicker.


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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - Unsigned
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:05:26 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

This is the remaining Top 150 kids that have yet to sign. Schools listed are
ordered by current preference i.e. For Sylvester Ford, Bob thinks that Memphis 
State currently is the leader. Number on left is current Bob Gibbons ranking.


2.   Rasheed Wallace    6-11 C/F Philadelphia, PA      'Nova, Temple, Georgetown, UNC
4.   Charles O'Bannon   6-6  WF  Lakewood, CA          UCLA, UK, UM, Arizona
14.  Avondre Jones      6-10 C   Lakewood, CA          USC, UM, UCLA, Arizona
17.  Sylvester Ford     6-6  2G  Memphis, TN           MemphisST, UT, UM, KU
20.  Jerald Honeycutt   6-9  PF  Grambling, LA         LSU, Tulane, Arkansas
28.  Jason Lawson       6-11 C   Philadelphia, PA      GT, LaSalle, UVA, Villanova
38.  Ed Jenkins         6-8  PF  Columbus, OH          Purdue, Iowa, PSU, Xavier
42.  Antonio McDyess    6-9  PF  Quitman, MS           MissSt, Ala., Miami, S.Miss
51.  Lee Wilson         6-10 C   Waco, TX              Arkansas, KU, LSU
65.  Eric Washington    6-4  2G  Pearl, MS             Alabama, MissSt, KU, KansSt
69.  Kevin Simmons      6-8  PF  Brooklyn, NY          Juco
78.  Kenneth Davis      5-10 PG  Maywood, IL           Juco
93.  Johnny Miller      6-5  2G  Jackson, MS           Miss.,Alabama, Louisville, GA
96.  Avery Curry        6-2  2G  Tallahassee, FL       Juco
97.  Lawrence Nixon     5-11 PG  Jennings, LA          Football?
114. Anthru Quarterman  6-8  PF  Savannah, GA          Georgia, GT, Juco
115. James Bristow      6-8  PF  Montgomery, AL        Auburn, UAB, Georgia, Temple
119. Ed Elisma          6-9  C/F New York,NY           GT, Seton Hall, UC-Irvine
122. Leon Clay          6-9  C   St.Louis, MO          Juco, Missouri, St.Louis
126. Andre Brown        6-4  G/F Houma, LA             Tulane, NO, SW La., Colorado
129. Cody Hopson        6-5  G/F Sapulpa, OK           Juco
133. Gary Meeks         6-7  PF  Euclid, OH            Juco
142. Edmond Farquharson 6-4  2G  Miami, FL             Juco
144. Andre Cooper       6-3  2G  Jacksonville Beach,FL Football?,Jacksonville,S.Florida
150. Chad Austin        6-2  2G  Richmond, IN          Ball State, Butler, Toledo
150. Tyson Britt        6-4  2G  Anderson, IN          ?????


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From: sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum)
Subject: J Fehrenbacher
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:57:51 GMT

Just thought you'd want to know in case you didn't see it,
Gill sprained his ankle in the first 2-3 minutes of the 
game and tried to play.  He said he was only 50%

I'd take Gill over Bennett any day.

Scott
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Subject: Missouri Valley Update
From: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford )
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:52:04 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Northern Iowa
Originator: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.eduLines: 65

     I am still missing some early season results, so some of the
     records below are wrong.  I'll get the rest of those results
     soon and have an updated update...

                       Missouri Valley Conference Update
                       ---------------------------------

Wednesday (12-16):

SOUTHERN ILLINOIS 57, St. Louis 44: Charlie Spoonhour brings his recently
     woeful Billikens into MVC favorite SIU's arena and gives the
     Salukis a challenge.  St. Louis' deliberate offense and defense
     led to nearly identical halves -- 29-22 and 28-22 -- in which
     SIU held a small but distinct advantage.  Most important to
     the Bills' strategy was stopping the SIU inside game.  Ashraf
     Amaya was held to 7 points on 3-8 shooting, and Marcus Timmons
     netted only 11, on 4-9 from the field.  Ty Bell led SIU with 18
     points, while Claggett led USL with 12.  7,225 watched...

Saturday (12-19):

     Northern Iowa at St. Bonaventure
     Chicago State at Bradley
     Lewis College at Drake
     Illinois State at Tulsa  (C)
     Indiana State at Purdue
     Texas A&I at Wichita State

Sunday (12-20):

     Southern Illinois vs Radford in the San Juan Shootout

          The brackets for the SJS are:

               Iowa vs American University (PR)      --
                                                       |--
               Illinois-Chicago vs Eastern Michigan  --   |
                                                          |--
               Southern Illinois vs Radford          --   |
                                                       |--
               Mississippi State vs Florida Int'l    --



STANDINGS  (as far as I know right now)

                  Overall      Conf      --------  Ratings  --------
Team              W     L     W    L     USA Today/CNN    AP Sagarin
----              --   --     --  --     -------------    -- -------
Southern Illinois  4    0      0   0
SW Missouri State  1    0      0   0
Drake              2    1      0   0
Indiana State      1    1      0   0
Wichita State      0    0      0   0
Bradley            0    0      0   0
Creighton          0    0      0   0
Northern Iowa      2    3      0   0
Tulsa              0    1      0   0
Illinois State     0    2      0   0
                  --   --
Total             10    8

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From: wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers)
Subject: Re: State Fossils
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:31:26 GMT

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:

>In article <Bz1xwu.Gpx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:
>>In article <77976@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec10.003956.22227@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>>>>...
>>>>Don't forget that Illinois has a state fossil.
>>>
>>>Lou Henson?
>> NONONONONONONONO....I really wouldn't consider Lou Henson as Illinois's
>>state fossil......after all, he was trasplanted from somewhere there in
>>dem New Mexico highlands someplace some time ago....

>Actually, he came more from the lowlands (relatively speaking) of New 
>Mexico, from New Mexico State which is in Las Cruces, didn't he?

>By the way, there really is a college called New Mexico Highlands (I
>had a friend who went there, briefly).  And of course, there are plenty
>of dinosaur bones found in the Land of Enchantment, Lou Henson
>notwithstanding...


Lou Henson is originally from Oklahoma and played college ball at
New Mexico State. He was also a grad. assistant for 2 years there.

Henson coached at Los Cruces high school, which won 3 straight state
championships. His next job was at Hardin-Simmons College
and he improved their program, posting several 20 win seasons.

Henson took the head coaching job at NMSU inhereting a 4-22 team. The
next year they went 15-11 and made the NCAA tourney.  His teams made 6
NCAA appearances and one trip to the Final Four in 8 years.  Those 6 teams
were eliminated 3 times by Wooden's UCLA squads. The current NMSU coach has
the Aggies back in the NCAA's (after a 15 year absence), but it's a much
expanded tournament field.

Henson was hired by Illinois after Gene Bartow stayed one year then went
to UCLA. Henson took Bartow's 8-18 squad and despite sanctions, scholarship
limits and defections assembled ballclubs with overall cumulative slate of
> 0.500 in his first three seasons. His club's 9 straight NCAA appearances
is the most the Big 10.  (and without unjust sanctions it would have been
10) He is one of 9 coaches to lead two different schools to Final Fours.
He currently has 594 wins, and is still (I think) 4th on the active wins
list behind Smith, Haskins and Driesell.   When he had 535 he was 19th on
the all time wins list, must be better than that now.

Cheers-
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Report, Volume 2
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:11:25 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Dec11.221643.2420@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>Kidd had 18 points, 5 assists and 5 turnovers.  "Gerald and
>I are freshmen," Kidd said, "and we're going to make freshmen
>mistakes, and people forget that. They never expect me to make
>a turnover.  The team comes first.  I have four years to develop.
>I don't have to develop overnight."  Cal gained valuable experience

Whoa, stop the presses. This is a first the words "four years" and Jason
Kidd have never appeared together in writing before. I wonder if Jason
is just tiring of all the "when are you going pro" questions he has been
answering since his sophomore year of highschool, or is he realizing that
he is a very good college freshman but not nearly ready for the NBA?

This is good news if he means it, I would love to see him stick around
a while at Kal, and it would be good for him too.




Russ Smith
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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Anfernee Hardaway
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:54:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.142245.890@ms.uky.edu>
fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
 
>
>BTW: What is the nature of David Vaughn's injury? ACL?
>--
>Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Don't be a stranger.
 
I heard it was a partial tear of the ACL, and they won't know exactly
how bad until they scope it on the 15th.  If it is bad, they will fix
it then, and he is definitely out for the season.  If it is not bad,
they will let it heal on its own, and he might be back this year.
 
I think it depends on how well they do without him.  If they have a
chance at the tournament, Finch might be tempted to bring him back so
they can have another shot at the title with Hardaway and Vaughn.  If
not, Vaughn will probably take a medical red-shirt and have another
three years eligibility.
 
Anybody who watched the MSU/Arkansas game could see the difference
Vaughn makes in the Tigers.  Arkansas made a strong comeback at the
beginning of the second half on defensive pressure, but after Vaughn
went out, the major damage was on the offensive boards.  He gives them
an additional strong rebounder, and an inside threat that frees
Hardaway.
 
Vaughn's injury is really too bad.  With him and Hardaway, Memphis
State was a potentially top-flight team.  With only Hardaway, they are
merely good.
 
Jim McMaster
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:13:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <matthew.724269424@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>
>Not that I care for Louisville, or their style of play, but this bears
>pointing out:
>
>Louisville Championships since 1980: 2
>Kentucky Championships since 1980: 0
>
>Maybe they need to move into the 90's, but Kentucky, it would seem,
>could do well moving into the 80's.

Additional statistics - UK national championships = 5 (one is even
			 more recent than UCLAs!)
			UofL national championships = 2

			UK wins against UofL in the 80s/90s = 8
			UofL wins against UK in the 80s/90s = 4

One might think that in getting Rick Pitino, UK has made an effort not
only to get back into the 90s but also the 2000s.  Name me one other
coach who has taken a team as decimated by probation as much as UK's,
and who has turned it into a national contender within such a short 
period of time.

One might also ask, if UofL had had another coach than Crum, with the
talent that Louisville always seems to attract, whether they might
not have won more than 2 titles.  It's possible.  By the way, Kentucky 
just happened to beat UofL during the season that the Cards won their last 
NCAA title. Wonder if the Cards could have beaten LSU 4 times in one season,
the last time they won it, as UK had to do to move on?

>There have been numerous arguments about how Denny Crum has not adjusted
>to the three-point shot.  Personally, I'd give the guy a few more years
>before writing him off.

How many more years should we give him?  If he hasn't learned to use it
by now, when will he?  How long does it take to adapt your team to 
play more modern forms of basketball?  What is the meaning of life?

I seem to be asking an awful lot of questions.  Please don't bother
answering them.   :-) 

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:26:54 GMT

paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>   Not only did 7 of the 10 teams make the NCAA, but even the crummy ones
>   had a decent season. Wisconsin finished something like 16-12 behind the
>   3-point shooting of Trent Jackson and the inside play of Danny Jones.
>   That was probably UW's best team in a long time. Illinois and Michigan,
>   undoubtedly the two best teams in the nation that year IMO, both fell to
>   the Badgers. UW beat Illinois by 20 points!
	         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Yeah, at Wisconsin and with the Illini without Gill (in fact, U of
	I never lost a game w/ Gill in the lineup until the Michigan Final
	4 game).

	Jazzy J

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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:34:31 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

...or could it just be a matchup between the two most overrated teams in
the country???

*Memphis State notwithstanding.  At least they have an injury excuse.

- Rob Mac K


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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Dream Game quotes
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:02:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Whenever someone says "no-neck" I always think of McHale.  This isn't who
you mean, I'm sure. ;)

Mike
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Hurley
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:52:33 GMT

In article <156@psipost.UUCP> rich@psipost.UUCP (Rich Main) writes:
>In article <matthew.724293377@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>> 
>> There are two things that strike me about Hurley's shooting:
>> 
>>   1. While he hits the 3 reasonably consistently, it is seldom from further
>>      than 20'
>
>Tell me, why should he shoot from further out when it's still only
>worth 3 points???  He's not playing pro ball yet, so why bother to
>shoot a longer shot in a game situation?  Of course, if you watched the
>Michigan game, you saw Hurley stop and pop a three from WELL outside
>the line, certainly an NBA three pointer (not the smartest shot, but it
>fell).

Two reasons it's a good idea to learn how to shoot the three from
farther away than 19'20"

1) Setting up right behind the line means having to worry about
   being on the line. This can throw off the rhythm of the shooter.
   Also, their feet will occasionally be on the line.

2) Pulling the defender farther out means it's easier to drive
   past them and easier to make entry passes.

I'm not advocating college guards going out to 23 feet regularly,
but it drives me crazy to see guys set up right on the line, shift
their feet to catch the pass, and then have to look down to check
where they are.  If Hurley is shooting in his comfort range, then
he's doing his job.  I'll let Orin Day follow this post twice
with detailed explanations of how well hhe's doing it.

Ken B. 

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