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From: markw@cltr.uq.oz.au (Mark White)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Who are Cleopatra Wong?
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:27:34 GMT
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.

leeSJ@elec.uq.oz.au (Simon Lee) writes:


>Hi all,

>Managed to rent the Cleopatra Wong EP CD the other day,
>and was quitue impressed by it.  I thought it was similar
>in style to Voice of the Beehive and just as good.

>My question is, who are they?  I was told that they
>were members from some other Australian bands
>but I have no idea apart from that.

Cleopatra Wong is made up of the two girls who used to be in the
Go-Betweens with Robert Forster and Grant (oops, that's "G.W") McLennan.
Names escape me somewhat, although Lindy Morrisson and Amanda (?) sound
sort of familiar.

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From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Alternative Mainstream (Was: Erotica and Tom Waits)
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:16:43 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.

Brian May says:

>> I said:

>> With REM, Faith No More, Peter Gabriel, Tom Waits, Suzanne Vega, U2, Madonna 
>> and all those other bands changing their approaches or just producing very 
>> different music to their usual, is the mainstream now more interesting than 
>> the indie scene - or is it just more interesting than the Australian 
>> independents?

>depends on what you find interesting to start with.  If you find U2 and 
>Suzanne Vega making danceable songs interesting, then maybe the former applies,
>but to you.

There's more to the new U2 or Suzanne Vega than making "danceable songs." 
It's nice, occasionally, to hear something inventive. This is my point 
about the Australian independent scene - it could easily be described as 
"White boys with two guitars and a distortion pedal." It's a glib assumption
(and, like all glib assumptions, it's not entirely true) but no more so than
your description of the new U2 or Suzanne Vega, or Brent describing "Justify 
my Love" as 99% Public Enemy.

In the past few months, the "big" releases have all had substantial shifts in
sound, or in commerciality. It started with Achtung Baby, I think, then 
INXS to some extent, and seems to include most recent releases.

The album tracks I've heard from the new Peter Gabriel aren't easy radio fodder.
Neither is the REM album or Tom Waits. (His work rarely is.) Is this because 
the mainstream (and, following from this, the radio playlists) are prepared to
accept more interesting music? Two years ago, none of these albums would have
been considered mainstream. Now the definition has shifted to include things 
like Sonic Youth (just) and the Chilli Peppers, and alternative is starting to 
mean a couple of "credible" genres. It seems as if the independents are more
hidebound and afraid of change than the majors. It's particulary evident in
the Aus scene, with the emphasis on grungy three-minute guitar songs. 

That's oversimplification, I know. But it's fun to think about.

>As for Tom Waits' new one - I might not call it commercial myself, but I 
>certainly do call it a great album.  Well worth listening to.

"Jesus gonna be here soon" is amazing - I had to be picked up off the floor. 
The Night on Earth soundtrack is also fab.

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From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Erotica
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
Date:  7 Oct 92 03:48:35 GMT

leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:

 >brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:

 >>"Justify My Love" was 99% Public Enemy, anyway.
  
 >Justify My Love was based around a drum loop from a "Nation of Millions" 
 >track - I've forgotten which one. This isn't 99%. 

It isn't? I guess you have a higher opinion of Madonna's lyrics than I do.

                            Brent.

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From: crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON)
Newsgroups: ee.chat,aus.music,cs.general
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:15:29 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

acc@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (andy chia an chang) writes:
>Nightclubs, bars, beaches, concerts and drinking parties will all be the main

aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh

>(4) If what's been said hasn't appealed to you, well then think about this.  We
>will be having wild parties with lots of drinks, music, people of the *right*
>type for others to socialize with.  We will also have camps, and a political

sorry, just what is this "*right* type"?

and do all people of this type (like yourself of course) sound like total 
fuckwits?

i apologize, but this really has to be the *dumbest* idea anyone has ever
thought of since R Harris invented Fortran 77 ( joke 8^) )

check-ya,
chris.

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Newsgroups: aus.music,alt.music.alternative,alt.binaries.pictures.d
Subject: Band GIFs available for ftp
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:40:52 GMT
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)


At: mel.dit.csiro.au
In: staff/brian/pics

anonymous ftp only.

Bands so far:

TISM
My Bloody Valentine
Tlot Tlot
Cramps

More later.

All pics are scanned B&W images if photos I've taken myself at gigs.

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music,alt.rock-n-roll
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: They Might Be Giants Tour
Keywords: blah
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:57:11 GMT


In article <1bfv22INNciv@frey.newcastle.edu.au>, philipc@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Philip Charlton) writes:
|> Hi! I'd like to know if anyone has any info regarding the current tour by They
|> Might Be Giants, especially ARE THEY COMING TO AUSTRALIA ??? I'd also like to
|> hear from anyone who's seen them perform - what are they like live?. E-mail
|> replies would be preferred.

[posted atricle as more people might be interested]

The are coming to Australia, and according to their 'info club' person,
it's likely to be end Nov/early Dec this year.

TMBG now have a band - yes, a _band_ so a different performance is to be
expected from those who saw them a couple of years ago in Australia.

Reports in the rec.music.* groups are very good for the new group.
From memory they have the Johns (on same instruments as always), drums, bass,
small horn section.  They have a 'stump the band' section also...so save up your
70's hits for them at the end of the year.

Hopefully I'll have some dates soon as I want to find out ASAP.

brian
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From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: RAGE specials (Was: Re: musical taste? (Re: The Kylie file .... for your eyes only!))
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:47:59 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

In article <6505@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>Jamie will be in heaven come Saturday night (10 October).
>
>RAGE on the ABC is having a Kylie Minougue special.
>
>No more needs to be said.

Those RAGE specials are BRILLIANT!!! Not too long ago, I watched an INXS
special on RAGE. It went for 3.5 hours! ( I stayed up and watched it...I
don't have a video ) It most certainly was worth it! I was in heaven that
Saturday night! I've been humming INXS tunes ( old and new ) for weeks 
afterward! If Jamie really does like Kylie, and for all Kylie fans ( I'm
not one btw ) I really recommend watching this ( or at least taping it! )

RAGE is the best...by far...television show on at the moment.

Andrew

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From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Subject: Re: Weird rhythms in pop music
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:31:46 GMT

mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon) writes:

>To digress a little:  can anyone tell me the time signature of John Cage's
>4'33"?  I can't work it out by listening to the cd...

	What's wrong with you??  Just listen to the BEAT, man!

	4'33" is my favourite dance track (know what I'm saying?)

			Matthew.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: dms@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (David Mcgregor SQUIRE)
Subject: Fuck You
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:51:54 GMT


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I think you got one Jon.
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From: rphjt@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Taylor [The Banshee])
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Re: "Promotion only"
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:35:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au


>|> I've recently picked up a copy of the Falling Joys "Incinerator" CD single.
>|> the plastic case bears the standard round sticker proclaiming "2 previously
>|> unreleased tracks" etc., but the back of the insert has, in silver print, a
>|> box stating "Promotion only  Not for sale".  I've seen other CDs around with
>|> this type of statement printed on them (and all for sale!).  Does this have
>|> any meaning - ie. is it really not for sale &/or limited release, or it just
>|> a marketing ploy to make the buyer think it's something special? 
>
>Did you buy this as 'second hand?'

It was in the new CD section, but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean it's
brand new, untouched...  It was sold at the retail price on the front sticker
(fraction under $6 for 3 songs - only one which is truely unreleased, the 
other's are off "Psychohum" and a remix of a song ("Fall") from "Wish List").

>It will be a genuine promotional CD.  It's real common to see these second 
>hand - as radio stations, reviewers and DJs sometimes sell their promo CDs
>if they don't like them (pretty bad eh?) to make some extra bucks.
>They aren't supposed to be re-sold (hence the sticker/print)  - but noone
>seems to give a shit anyhow.
>
>I haven't seen many promos that offer extra tracks or 'special' remixes to
>make it worthwhile buying.

Well, I have never seen an original non-promo (or another promo, for that
matter) of this particular CD.  It's certainly an advantage to both the 
collector and the original "owner" of the CD to buy/sell - I'm certainly
happy ;-)  In case you're wondering, it's reference number is VOLTCD56 
(I think it's 56, otherwise it might be 53).

Thanks to all who posted responses to my enquiry.

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From: mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green)
Subject: Re: Toad the wet sprocket
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:23:54 GMT

dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley) writes:

>Can anyone tell me anyting about a band called "Toad the wet sprocket" ?

>I love their single "All I want" .

>Does anyone know what the album is like ?

Yes, I can.  I have a friend in California, who sent me their album
"Fear" a couple of months ago.  I was quite litterally blown away, by
it.  I love it.

It has got 12 tracks,

Walk on the ocean
It it for me
Butterflies
Nightingale song
Hold her down
Pray your gods
Before you were born
Something to say
In my ear
All I want
Stories to tell
I will not take these things for granted

The higher of the high points include Stories to Tell, All I want,
Hold her down.  There is quite a bit of nice guitar playing on the
album.  I have heard (from California) that their first album is
heaps better though.  If/when I get it, I might post a review..

Matt..
From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: CD PRICES
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:19:59 GMT

> WARNING - If you are going to fork out full price for a CD, hunt around.
> Record stores are likely to be different in prices with some ordering a lot
> in and selling them as album of the week (as Hunters & Collectors new one
> will be in a week or so

Absolutely.  Any album I'm not desperate to buy, I'll wait.  If I happen to
later see it on special, then I'll buy.  This way, you'll keep your average
CD album costs to around $20 to $22, which is not too bad.

As HMV and Virgin have incredibly predictable sales, I'll wait 4 to 6 weeks
before buying a new release, as I did with Falling Joy's _Psychohum_ a couple
of months back (got it for $22.95).

Soon enough, H&C's new album will be on sale at $20 to $23.  You just have to
visit the store once a week to track the price!

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From: u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au (Darrin Jon Smart)
Subject: Lovecraft
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:38:20 GMT


Does anyone know anything about this band? They played at Wollongong Uni
today at lunchtime. I wanted to get something on CD but the record shop
catalog only had one CD - something about 'Live at HG - May 1968' - I don't
think that would be the same band!

They said something about a CD during the performance. I thought they were
great - I hope some of their songs are available on CD.

 - Darrin
   u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au


Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
From: markw@cltr.uq.oz.au (Mark White)
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Keywords: church
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:29:20 GMT

bsmith@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Brian Smith) writes:
>Here's the set list.
>Aura, Myrrh, Metropolis, Destination, Fly, Shadow Cabinet, NSEW, Sisters, The
>Disillusionist, Grind, Lost, Old Flame, Hotel Womb, Reptile, Pharoah, Chaos and
>Tantalized.

What, no "Almost With You"?  I know they haven't been playing "Unguarded
Moment" live for a while now (well, not in Brisbane, anyway) but to leave
out (in Kilbey's own words) the definitive Church song.......

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
Subject: Re: KYLIE MINOGUE & humor
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:11:53 GMT

In article <9227415.19898@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>>Er... CRASHING? #37 isn't exactly crashing. Especially when
>>the local charts are more along the top 40 lines than the top 100.
>>I wouldn't be surprised if the song had been in the top 100 before
>>it was in the top 40. Your use of certain words when discussing
>>Kylie reveals your inherent bias and lack of objectivity...
>>That's not a flame... It's just that you shouldn't overdo the
>>Kyliemania... all IMHO of course. What would you think if I
>>said "Depeche mode CRASHED into the top 100 at #97 with their new
>>single!!!"
>
>GET A LIFE, PAUL!!!!
>
>Kylie did crash into #37 first week in, and is likely to do better.

Well, I've known Kylie to do better!!! I remember her single "Hand on
Your Heart" got into the top 100 at #4!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT'S what I call crashing into the chart!!! Since it happens quite 
regularly on the Australian chart, I consider anything that debuts less
than in the top 20 to not have "crashed" in. Singles debut at #37 in the
top 100 quite regularly, so really it is nothing special.

Andrew

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From: mtc@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael Trevor CUTTER)
Newsgroups: ee.chat,aus.music,cs.general
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:35:01 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:

>acc@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (andy chia an chang) writes:
>>Nightclubs, bars, beaches, concerts and drinking parties will all be the main

>aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh
Ditto.

>>(4) If what's been said hasn't appealed to you, well then think about this.  We
>>will be having wild parties with lots of drinks, music, people of the *right*
>>type for others to socialize with.  We will also have camps, and a political

>sorry, just what is this "*right* type"?

>and do all people of this type (like yourself of course) sound like total 
>fuckwits?

>i apologize, but this really has to be the *dumbest* idea anyone has ever
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Why? :-)
>thought of since R Harris invented Fortran 77 ( joke 8^) )

I probably couldn't agree with Chris more. Who are you, Andy, to say 
who are the *right* type of people? How will you prevent subversive normal
people from entering your club? A politically correct entrance examination?
Appropriate tastes in music? How do you define 'Alternative Music and Politics',
aside from your personal tastes in noise and hot air?

As for: >>Nightclubs, bars, beaches, concerts and drinking parties
aren't there enough clubs providing such activities without yet another scoring
chunks of our Student Union fees? 
I hope you enjoy the above immensely, because that's a sure way to fail 
any degree, let alone engineering or comp sci. Wot are you, a first year?

Enjoy your club, you will probably be very lonely...

No Regards,
	Mike.
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From: steveo@mel.dbce.csiro.au (Stephen Oakes)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Weird rhythms in pop music
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:32:54 GMT
Followup-To: aus.music
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO, Div. Building Constr. and Eng'ing, Melb., Australia

> Couple of others: "Straight to my Heart" by Sting, off "Nothing Like
> the Sun" is in 7/4.  "Money" by Pink Floyd is in 5/4.

"Money" is 7/4.

Marillion have a few songs in weird time signatures.  I am sure lots of
other bands do.  The songs I like the best are those which are do so,
yet still manage to sound "melodic" (if that is the right word).

ie. they don't sound awkward.

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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Alternative Mainstream
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:58:51 GMT
Distribution: aus
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
:  (stuff deleted)
: 
: Well, quite a few bands copy Nirvana's sound now, and basically all it means
:

	I think bands were copying their sound before they thought
of it themselves.

					CE 
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