From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:51:10 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> I'm not insinuating anything, it was reported that you made a statement
> in misc.religion that we ( queers) want rights and privileges of 
> some sort that we are not willing to give to others.
> I don't read that newsgroup, and my original inquirey was to get 
> you to elaborate.
> Instead you have gotten bent out of shape.

YOU made the comment that I had a hidden agenda, Owen.  As for whoever
made the comment about something I said, I don't even recall it.  I've
been accused of enough silliness here that I'm starting to ignore it. 
But YOU are the one who said I had a hidden agenda, at least have
the balls to stand behind what you say.

And yes, you bet your *ss I'm bent out of shape.  I get you telling me
I have an agenda, and then you don't want to say what it is.  I get
someone else sending me threatening email, and then not wanting 
to explain himself.  yeah, I'm bent out of shape.  If someone claims
I said something, ask THEM what I said.  

> I stated ( in the parts you cut out) that some of your language
> is typical loaded language that we hear ad nauseum from vocal
> anti-queer campaigns. 

Yes, and since I use some of the same words that they do, I'm
*one of them*  Pphhttt.

> none of those *insinuations* is a chargeable offense under any
> criminal code 

Silly me for getting upset about something that isn't a "chargeable offense"
in the criminal code.  

> You have engaged many people here for the better part of two weeks,
> I stated that such effort must have some purpose. Perhaps that purpose is to
> fill time on your hands, perhaps it is to genuinely discuss these issues.
> I've asked you to clarify your motivations.

You know, this reminds me of one of my favorite Star Trek /NG episodes, that
I just saw on reruns in the last week or so, where a spy is found on board, 
and another crewmember is accused of aiding the spy.  

> If you really want to S.P.E.L.L.
> out what I think your *agenda* is in detail then here it is.

That is what I asked, and the least you can do if you claim 
that someone has one..

> I think your agenda is to justify to yourself the negative way you *feel* about 
> queers.  

Yeah, I'll bet you *do* believe that. 

> I suspect that you consider yourself open minded and fair, but that
> you hold stereotypical ideas about queers that challenge your sense of
> fairness. 

There you are partially right. 

> I suspect that like most parents of small children you desire to
> create a small piece of the world where they can be safe but that the 
> unknown variables out there, like sexuality, scare the bejesus out of you.

Oh, please....was that guy who wrote about the word "homophobia" right, that 
it is used to make people think others are *afraid* of them?  

> I suspect that your a taurus.

Now *that* I got a good laugh out of. Hey, you're on a roll.  Keep rolling!
Can you guess my birthday?  What religion (denomination) am I? Do I wear
SS boxer shorts? 

> Now.
> I may be wrong about those things , I may be right.

You're *too* modest..

> Don't read anger or attack-mentality into my words 
> they are not written with those things in mind.

Then maybe you should consider learning to not be so headstrong

> but I would like to hear what you have to say regarding those replies I sent

To be perfectly honest, until you S.P.E.L.L.E.D out for me what you
meant by my secret agenda, I saw no point in responding to them, and
at this point, don;t even remember what they were; I've read so many 
articles it's hard to keep straight who said what.  And *I'm* still 
not satisfied with your spelling out.  What was I supposed to have said 
in another newsgroup that made you think I have a hidden agenda?  
Until you and I get past that, I have no interest in discussing *anything* 
with you.  

And you are suprised I get bent out of shape.  Sheesh!@!

Walter
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