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From: holsberg@pilot.njin.net (Peter J. Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: TCF'92
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:33:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The Trenton Computer Festival 1992 will be held at Mercer College on
Saturday, April 11 (9-6) and Sunday, April 12 (10-4). 

This year's festival features:
	- The world's largest outdoor personal computer FLEA MARKET
	- Over 170 National Vendor and Commercial Booths, featuring AST,
          Adobe, Aldus, Borland, Microsoft, Lotus, Corel, Micrografx,
	  Toshiba, Hewlett-Packard, WordPerfect, Intel, Symantec, 
	  Software Publishing, and local vendors.
	- More than 125 FREE Seminars, Forums and Talks on all aspects of
	  computing.
	- Thousands of dollars worth of door prizes, including an AST 386SX
	  notebook computer, an HP color printer and an HP color scanner.
	- Saturday evening banquet features keynote speaker, Paul Grayson,
	  CEO of Micrografx. Tickets are $20 each.
	- Admission:
		General: $7 for both days; $5 for Sunday only
		Students and Seniors: $3 for both days
		Preschoolers accompanied by adult: FREE
		Other Children Under 12 accompanied by adult: $3 for both days,
			FREE on Sunday only

Files with all kinds of good information are available for anonymous
ftp from pilot.njin.net (128.6.7.38) in pub/TCF/tcf.  They include:

	what.is.TCF - history and description of TCF
	gen.info - general info about TCF, directions, parking, etc.

Pete Holsberg
TCF 92 Steering Committee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gordon@madmax.waterloo.edu (Gordon R. Strachan)
Subject: Vue shared output window
Reply-To: gordon@maxwell.waterloo.edu (Gordon R. Strachan)
Organization: University of Waterloo, Waterloo Ont.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:13:43 GMT

Here is a question that doesn't seem to be answered in any of the manuals.
One of my users wants to have scroll bars on the shared-output windows
that are put up by the file manager.  The catch is he only wants it on the
shared-output and not on all the hpterms so I can't just set the resource
for the hpterm's.  I suspect I could define an action for the SHARED-OUTPUT
window type but I don't know how I would determine which pty to listen on.
So, how can I convince vuecommand to launch its shared-output windows with
the scrollbar enabled.

Gordon

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: viswswrn@cs.Princeton.EDU (Vishy Visweswaran)
Subject: Re: NFS and root
Keywords: NFS root access
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:13:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.203600.4759@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> chlg1043@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher H Lee) writes:
>I heard that one can patch up the kernel to allow root to 
>access mounted file systems as 'root' and not 'nobody'.
>
>Has anyone tried doing this, and if so, what is the
>procedure?
>
Yes, you can. You simply change nobody to 0 instead of -2 in /hp-ux using
adb :

(1) for the current session (lost when rebooted)
csh> adb -w /hp-ux /dev/kmem
nobody/D                                # To display current value
nobody:                                 # These two lines are adb's
nobody:                 -2              # response
nobody/W0                               # This changes the value to 0...
nobody:                                 # ... and adb confirms it in
nobody:                  0              # these two lines.
^D

(2) for all times
csh> adb -w /hp-ux
nobody?D                                # Everything is same as
nobody:                                 # the first case (1) except
nobody:                 -2              # for changing the values
nobody?W0                               # permanently through use of
nobody:                                 # ? instead of / in adb.
nobody:                  0              #
^D

Before you go ahead and do this, though, remember that this introduces a
fairly big security hole in your setup, since any machine that somehow
mounts a disk from this host would have root permission. So ideally this
should only be done if you also modify the kernel to use the ethernet 
addresses (rather than internet addresses) to verify requests for mounts. 
I know this can be done on SUNs, but I'm not so sure about HPUX.



V. Visweswaran
viswswrn@titan.princeton.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mkrause@mitre.org (Mark A. Krause)
Subject: FAQ Proposal
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:25:13 GMT

I am willing to maintain a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) listing for
the comp.sys.hp newsgroup.  This FAQ would list the frequently asked 
questions and answers dealing with HP-UX related issues in this newsgroup.
If you think this is a good or bad idea let me know.  If you have any ideas
or items that you would like to submit to the FAQ list please send them
to the E-Mail address below.  If I receive positive responses to this, I
will post the first FAQ around May 1st.

-- 
Mark A. Krause			mkrause@mitre.org
The MITRE Corporation		linus!mitre.org!mkrause
7525 Colshire Drive		(703)883-7642 (Voice)		
McLean, VA 22102		(703)883-6308 (Fax)
From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: X11 include files and libraries on HP-UX
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:16:57 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
In-reply-to: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov's message of 15 Apr 92 14:07:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.140725.16039@ornl.gov> jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S) writes:

   Rather than mucking with additional -I lines in makefiles, it is
   relatively easy to make symbolic links for the directories so that
   /usr/include/X11 really points to /usr/include/X11R4 and so that
   the stuff in /usr/include/Motif1.1 appears to be under
   /usr/include/X11. [ ... ]  Does it make sense to make lots of
   symbolic links for all those library files so that, for instance
   /usr/lib/libX11.a will point to /usr/lib/X11R4/ libX11.a? [ ... ]
   In general, is this a good idea? Or should I just stick with lots
   of -L/usr/lib/X11R4 and -L/usr/lib/Motif1.1 statements in my
   makefiles?

The reasonable answer would be: Use Imakefiles.  Then you only have to
put the -I and -L switches in one place, the site.def file (or,
presumably, HP would have put them in already in the hp.cf file).

Using imake makes porting your application to other environments so
much easier, as the Imakefiles need no changes, you just do a xmkmf
and make.

But as we know, HP for some reason doesn't supply imake etc...  It is
available pre-compiled by ftp from several places, as has been posted
here repeatedly.
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: Broadcasting 0's on a 710 (HP-UX 8.07)
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:17:15 GMT

In article <FRANL.92Apr8160847@draco.centerline.com> franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:
>What is the 700/RX?  Is it just another sub-model of the 700 series?

The 700/RX is HP's X Terminal line.  (He says while typing away on
his own 700/RX. :-)

-- 
Michael Bryan	        michael@resonex.com
This offer law where prohibited by void.
From: vuilleum@uni2a.unige.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP 95 LX technical questions
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:21:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: uni2a.1992Apr16.182131.1362
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland


        I need some informations about the new HP 95 LX...

-       Do somebody know if the Ramcards are the same as those for the
HP 48 ? Do you know were it could be possible to purchase them for cheaper
than at HP ?

-       Do you know if it exists "do-it-yourself" RAM/PROM cards ?

-       Is there an infra-red eighty-columns printer ?

THank you everybody...

                Marc Vuilleumier
                vuilleum@divsun.unige.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jmd@wrkgrp.COM (Joseph M DeAngelo)
Subject: Re: Telebit T2500 setup HELP!?
Organization: The Workstation Group
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:32:24 GMT

belkin@teecs.UUCP (Hershel Belkin 3751) writes:
: Does anyone out there have a "working" setup for a Telebit T2500 modem
: attached to a 9000/8x5?  I've set up T1600's and Trailblaazer+ models,
: but the T2500 seems to be acting differently...  I'd really appreciate
: a copy of your modem's parameter settings (even if for some other
: Telebit model)!

I had problems understanding my Telebit also.  I solved them by calling
Telebit directly.  Their helpful tech support staff dialed my modem
( with my permission) and remotely set all the parameters I needed based
on what I told them I was trying to do ( you need to know this up front).
I suggest that if the security of your modem phone number is at stake,
that you connect it to some other phone number and let them work their
magic.
From: ash@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Art Harkin)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:02:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Broadcasting 0's on a 710 (HP-UX 8.07)
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


Mike Redmond writes...
> We have a continuing problem adapting new systems to our "old" network. We
> still use 0's broadcast (instead of the technically correct 1's). We have
> ifconfig's our 710 to do our broadcast and everything looks like it should
> do it. When we check with an analyzer, the 710 appears to generate 1's
> regardless (we can tell because of the packet storm and high volume of
> the traffic bar on our sniffer).

I believe it should be settable, did you use the broadcast option with the
ifconfig?

such as,

  /etc/ifconfig lan0 132.3.50.5 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 132.3.50.0

> Does someone have the procedure or patch to install a settable broadcast
> in the 710's under 8.07? OR what might we be doing wrong?

Does this work with other HP-UX systems that you have?

-Art
From: jeff@ncifcrf.gov (Jeff Garlough)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Help: connect to net
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:38:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCI Supercomputer Facility, Frederick, MD
bcc: jeff

I have a hp710 for a demo, and the system hangs, near the completion
of the boot phase, when I try to connect it to the net. Our
network gurus have looked at it, but can't determine the proper
incantation to make it work.

When we bring up SAM and view/modify a LAN Card's Connection, 
it reads in the configuration, but says the LAN card status is down. 

doing an ifconfig lan0 inet `hostname` netmask 255.255.255.0 up 
results in 
ifconfig: no such interface

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Jeff Garlough
jeff@ncifcrf.gov
From: bobm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Montgomery)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:34:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Fortran lib?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, shinn@agsm.ucla.edu (Shinn-Tzong Wu) writes:

> Sorry to post here, but I could not get mail to Mr. Bob Montgomery (mail
> log shown below).  I just wonder where is the libhppa located since I
> could not ld it?

It is located in /usr/lib/libhppa.a.  It is part of the PROG-AUX fileset.

Bob Montgomery, HP
From: steve@eowyn.gte.com (Steven C Preston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: C Preprocessor defines (_INCLUDE_POSIX_SOURCE, etc.)
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:47:26 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories
In-reply-to: shankar@aspen.IAG.HP.COM's message of 14 Apr 92 20:44:29 GMT

>>>>> In article <2130048@aspen.IAG.HP.COM>, shankar@aspen.IAG.HP.COM (Shankar Unni) writes:

> In comp.sys.hp, steve@eowyn.gte.com (Steven C Preston) writes:

>> HP9000/720, HP/UX 7.05 with C development license.  What is the deal
>> with the system header files?  In order to get even the simplest Motif
>> program to compile without errors, at least using ANSI C, I must
>> define these three preprocessor tokens: _INCLUDE_POSIX_SOURCE,
>> _INCLUDE_XOPEN_SOURCE and _INCLUDE_HPUX_SOURCE.

>> Even the one line
>>    #include <X11/Intrinsic.h>
>> gives a syntax error when compiled with -Aa for ANSI, unless the above
>> defines are included. 

> Well, since you are compiling with the ANSI compiler, it will give you
> only the ANSI C namespace for the system include files that are included
> by <X11/Intrinsic.h> (== string.h, sys/types.h, fcntl.h, unistd.h, etc).

> The whole point of the ANSI C standard was that it defines certain names
> (this does *NOT* include certain popular Unix-specific symbols) and
> allows the implementation to define *ONLY* those symbols in the
> standard-mandated header files (string.h, unistd.h, ...)

> If you want to use ANSI-style compilation (prototypes, ...) and still
> get a "dirty" namespace (i.e. a Unix or platform-dependent namespace),
> define *one* of the following symbols depending on *how* dirty you want
> the namespace:

>   -D_POSIX_SOURCE		(*NOT* _INCLUDE_POSIX_SOURCE)
>   -D_XOPEN_SOURCE		(*NOT* _INCLUDE_XOPEN_SOURCE)
>   -D_HPUX_SOURCE		(*NOT* _INCLUDE_HPUX_SOURCE)

Thank you for the information.  It is much nicer to have just
-D_HPUX_SOURCE rather than those three long defines.  I very much
appreciate the information.

However...

I acknowledge that ANSI C *allows* the implementation to define only
those symbols in the mandated header files (and by the way, unistd.h
is NOT mandated by ANSI C), but when a program includes any other
header, like <X11/Intrinsic.h> or <sys/types>, an implementation is
certainly also allowed to define other names and types, like caddr_t.

I also disagree that the "whole point" of the Standard was to allow,
or even encourage, implementations not to define any non-mandated
symbols in header files other that the 15 standard headers.  In other
words, it is okay for <sys/types.h> to typedef caddr_t, or not; the
Standard is neutral.

Any C source which includes any system headers other than the 15
standard ones is clearly not guaranteed to be portable across ANSI C
platforms.  I would, however, expect not to get syntax errors from
including system header files.

Anyway, it's not that big a deal.

Thank you again for your reply.  It was very helpful.

--
--
Steve Preston (scp2@gte.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: pvance@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul T Vance)
Subject: Third Party Software
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:56:20 GMT

Our office automation software vendor seems to have a lot of trouble porting new releases of its software to our HP9000/832 computer.  They give the reason that most other hardware vendors furnish them with free computers to port their software, but HP refuses to.  Have any of you experienced that problem with a software vendor, and have you any suggestions for solving it?
  Another related question is will this vendor's software work with version 8.0 of HP-UX?  The vendor says try it and see.  We would like a little more assurance than this, since we don't feel that we can go back to version 7 of HP-UX once we advance to version 8.
  Does anyone have a good, feature rich office automation system (word processing, spreadsheet, calendar, calculator, mail, forms data base, etc.) that you recommend for a HP9000/8xx system running with character based 700/43 terminals.
  Please send direct responses to Vance.4@osu.edu.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder)
Subject: Re: hard links and backup tapes
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:46:56 GMT

I've heard it said that hard links cause separate copies on backup
media.  I couldn't find anything in LaserRom (C) that came even close
to admitting that.  If it's true, will using soft links cure the
problem?  Are soft links any more space- or time-consuming to use
than hard links?  What are the trade-offs between hard- and soft-links?

Thanks in advance,
-- 
Van Snyder = vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies)
Subject: Re: scsi & HP
Reply-To: benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies)
Organization: Object Design Inc., Burlington, MA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 02:34:29 GMT

I want to add one more point. Some noise was made that "the 8x7 is a
BUSINESS system, and so has different requirements."

1) Its sold as a cheap cycle farm to supplement the 7xx's. By
salespeople who in some cases haven't been told that the operating
systems have, ahem, failed to converge.

2) some of us are, perish the thought, trying to port software to the
8x7. We don't need fancy reliability and recovery. We can't afford to
buy disk space in the small, pricey, packages on the HP offical list.

3) the 817 is the first system I've met that I can't just plug in a
1.6G drive, fiddle momentarily, and get to work. I have a roomful of
unix systems. The lack of partitions isn't deadly. After all, the
7xx's lack them. Its the puzzle about how to choose the size of the #2
slice based on the sector count and "normal" geometry.

-- 
Benson I. Margulies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: gupta@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (PJ Gupta)
Subject: Wanted Info on NetBIOS for HP Ethertwist card
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:17:48 GMT


Greetings,

 I have an application which uses NetBIOS (actually TCP/IP version of
NetBIOS) to communicate on Ethernet. I'm using an HP Ethertwist card in an
AST 386/33MHz machine (running MS-DOS 4.01 by AST )
and would appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction.

Is NetBIOS for HP LAN cards available public domain or is it a commercial
product ?

..PJ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: kernel replacement
From: paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:12:30 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr10.162623.11026@thdhub.UUCP> tjg01@thdhub.homedepot.com (Terry Gardner) writes:
>  + I've been told by HP that problems can be caused by replacing the
>  + kernel image (/hp-ux) with a new kernel. I've done this a lot in
>  + the past, with no difficulty. Any comments on this?
> 
> 	I have since been told by a Response Center engineer that this
> 	was a total bogosity. I knew this, but thought I would
> 	post anyway....

Not a Total Bogosity.  Some performance monitoring tools will read
the symbol table from a kernel to work out where to get at things in
/dev/kmem.  If you replace the kernel with a new one that changes
some offsets, without rebooting from it, you're gonna confuse heck
out of such programs.
-- 
Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Subject: Re: Broadcasting 0's on a 710 (HP-UX 8.07)
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.141718.9064@doug.cae.wisc.edu> redmond@engr.wisc.edu (Mike Redmond) writes:

> Same still goes for the 700/RX, though I see in the posting from HP that

What is the 700/RX?  Is it just another sub-model of the 700 series?
--
franl@centerline.com   || Fran Litterio                               
uunet!centerline!franl || CenterLine Software R&D                     
617-498-3255           || 10 Fawcett St, Cambridge, MA, USA 02138-1110
From: shwake@raysnec.UUCP (Raymond N. Shwake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Datebook wish list
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:05:27 GMT
Organization: A/C International

martins@hpl.hp.com (Henrique Martins) writes:

>  I'm not so sure about this. It may officially now be the 1st day of the
>week, but tradionally, at least in Portugal, it wasn't. The names of
>weekdays in Portuguese for Monday through Friday include the word for
>second through sixth.

Israel, which follows the Jewish calendar, is even more explicit. The names
for days of the week literally mean "first day", "second day", etc., and the
first day is Sunday.

Since we're talking to the UNIX community, I should also note that cron(1)
recognizes Sunday as the first day of the week.
-- 

uunet!media!ka3ovk!raysnec!shwake			shwake@rsxtech
From: jsm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Marvin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: 720-730 upgrade
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:31:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In comp.sys.hp, jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S) writes:
> One question, though. I *thought* that the 720/730 upgrade program was
> supposed to put a 720 on my desk early and later turn it into a 730.
> However, my upgrade was just the 730 motherboard swap, not the EISA
> adaptor that comes in a factory 730. So, to my way of thinking, this
> machine is not quite a "real" 730. This means that a year or two from
> now when I want a FDDI board, I will have to pay (~$1500) for the EISA
> adaptor PLUS the price of the FDDI board. Grump.
> 
> Is that common experience? Did *anyone* get the EISA adaptor for "free"
> along with their 720-to-730 upgrade?

The EISA adaptor is an OPTION for both the 720 and the 730. If you had
ordered a 730 with the EISA adaptor, your 720 (if you participated in the
720/730 upgrade program) would have come with the EISA adaptor.

	John Marvin
	jsm@fc.hp.com
From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Help: /usr/adm/LOG* files eat my disk
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:17:36 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)

What are the /usr/adm/LOG* files (/usr/adm+/*/LOG* in a clustered
environment) and what program creates them? What can I do with them?
Is it OK to remove them? They are 50 MB on this system by now, a few
months after its installation.
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland
From: mick@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Mick Tran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: fortran:    -lisam or -lisamstub or -lisamstubs, which one ?????
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:21:37 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.


	I have problems trying to compile fortran program which has 
	some isam stuffs, I have tried to link it with -lisam, -lisamstub
	and -lisamstubs, none of them worked, what have I done wrong here ???
	The machine is hp9000 series 827/8.0.
	I have been told that we have a full fortran compiler on our 827.

	Has any one got any idea ???
	Thanks.

ps: below are all the options i have tried.
 

(lis)[~/ftn] >f77 isam.f
(lis)[~/ftn] >a.out
*** PROGRAM HAS ISAM FILE USAGE, SHOULD BE LINKED WITH ISAM LIBRARY USING -lisam
 OPTION (988)

(lis)[~/ftn] >f77 isam.f -lisam
/bin/ld: Can't find library for -lisam

(lis)[~/ftn] >f77 isam.f -lisamstub
/bin/ld: (Warning) Shared library /usr/lib/libisamstub.sl is the same file as /u
sr/lib/libisamstub.sl - second reference ignored
(lis)[~/ftn] >a.out
*** PROGRAM HAS ISAM FILE USAGE, SHOULD BE LINKED WITH ISAM LIBRARY USING -lisam
 OPTION (988)

(lis)[~/ftn] >f77 isam.f -lisamstubs
(lis)[~/ftn] >a.out
*** PROGRAM HAS ISAM FILE USAGE, SHOULD BE LINKED WITH ISAM LIBRARY USING -lisam
 OPTION (988)

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