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From: mhirsch@algorithms.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
	<1992Sep12.115320.20417@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <phurley.3@tamu.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:59:41 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:05:41 GMT, phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley) said:

> From article <1992Sep12.115320.20417@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.
Philip> com (martin.brilliant) writes:


>I was going to give GeoWorks Pro back for a refund, but I might almost be
>persuaded to keep it and buy DR-DOS to go with it.

Philip> Yes, GW + DR-DOS are the ideal set up right now.

>Does it do the same thing under MS-DOS 5.0?  I have that, though I'm
>not using it now - it's incompatible with some other things I use
>occasionally, like DoubleDOS.

Philip> Quoting from the GW-Pro Addendum: "GeoWorks Pro is fully
Philip> compatible with several DOS task switchers--including the
Philip> latest entries, MicroSoft's DOS 5.0 Shell and Digital
Philip> Research's DR DOS 6.0 TaskMAX."

Yes, but it doesn't work at all the same way with DOS 5.0.  You have
to go back to the dosshell to swap.  What a pain.  I definitely is
nicer to have the other tasks in the express menu.  Go get DRDOS!
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Background file format conversion
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:55:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall) writes:

>Does anyone know if it's possible to convert a standard ".GIF" file for
>use as a GW background. What kind of format is used for the background
>pictures? I'd also like to convert some of the GW background file to
>the ".GIF" format for use on our Sun.

Yep.  Snag a GIF [or convert something to one.  Run it through piclab 1.83
[you can FTP it from any Geos FTP site], using the "georemap" filter [which
some nice person put in with piclab on the Geos sites], like so:

pl georemap foo.gif geofoo.gif

This fixes up the colors a bit, so things don't look freaky.

Then, either:

	Hop into VPIC, switch to a 640x480x16 color mode, and display 
	geofoo.gif.  Then hit... I think it's "Z" ... to convert it to a
	PCX file.

or:

	Pop into Graphics WorkShop and convert it from a GIF to a PCX in
	there... or dither it to monochrome if you're like me...

Then hop into GEOS, pull up the Scrapbook, select "Import" on the file menu,
select the PCX file you want to import, and go for it.  That snags it into
GEOS form, then if you pick "Copy" on the edit menu, it puts it into Geos's
clipboard.  

Then pop up Preferences, pick Background, and select "Get Background from
Clipboard."  Voila.

Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to convert things _back_.

-Shag

-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:36:39 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

>You can do what with DR DOS TaskMAX?  You can jump from GEOS to DRDOS
>without shutting down GEOS?  Or you can jump from DRDOS to DRDOS?
>If DRDOS will enable me to run a DOS task without shutting down GEOS,
>then DRDOS is a valuable adjunct to GEOS (besides all its own virtues),
>and I might be persuaded to buy DRDOS instead of giving up on GEOS.

I'm running GEOS under DR-DOS taskmax, and you can jump from GEOS to DRDOS
without shutting down GEOS.  Taskmax just swaps it out.  

Conveniently, the gurus at Geoworks and Digital Research collaborated nicely,
so that a TaskMax Control panel is actually part of the express menu when 
GEOS is run under DR-DOS.  Pretty nifty. 

As far as the modem hanging up, I answered that before.
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:49:27 GMT

From article <Sep.13.02.52.00.1992.24053@pilot.njin.net>, by birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag):
> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
> 
>>I can't agree with that.  What's your definition of a DOS app?  My
>>definition is something that runs directly under DOS....
>>....  You could even say
>>that it's an OS that's installed as a DOS app instead of being
>>booted.  I'd buy that.  But if it's called from the DOS command line I
>>don't see how you can deny that it's a DOS app.
> 
> I think what I'm trying to say is that it's an OS that has to be started from
> DOS, but takes over control from DOS once it is run.  GEOS uses DOS for the
> file system.  That's all.

But that doesn't prove anything.  ANY DOS app takes control from DOS
once it starts running.  That's one of the faults of a system that
doesn't multitask.  If the app takes control and then gets into a
loop, all you can do is reboot, because DOS has lost control.

>>Wrong.  I have no intention of telling my modem to ignore DTR or any
>>such thing in order to accommodate the stupidity of a program I don't
>>like anyway.  My other programs use that line - it's a much faster way
>>of hanging up a connection than giving the Hayes signal to the modem
>>to switch to command mode, and then giving a hangup command.
> 
> Calm thyself.  No need to start insulting software just because you don't get
> along with it.  I know a lot of DOS programs will throw a dialogue box at you
> asking whether you want to hang up the modem.  It's a good idea.  If GeoComm
> doesn't have it in place for v2.0, I'll probably be slightly annoyed.

I'm slightly annoyed now because I'm not willing to wait for v2.0.  I
think you're admitting that GeoComm isn't easy to get along with, and
if that's so, don't blame me for not getting along with it.  All I'm
saying is that GeoComm is not a good enough comm program for me to
tailor my modem to it instead of to half a dozen better comm programs.

By the way, I figured out what GEOS meant by the message about COM4
being already in use.  It meant that the AUTOEXEC.BAT that I booted up
with this time did not put all the port addresses in the BIOS table
the way the AUTOEXEC.BAT I used to use did.  That's not what I call a
useful message.

> ......  You asked a question, in - I presume - good faith.  I answered it,
> giving the _only_ answer, and being the only person to give that answer, also
> in good faith.  If you want to be belligerent about it, I'll just keep my mouth
> shut next time.  *shrug*.

Sorry.  I tend to be impatient with people who give answers in good faith
that are not acceptable to me.  It's a fault.  I apologize.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
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Subject: Desqview
From: Murray_Moffatt@kcbbs.gen.nz (Murray Moffatt)
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:26:46 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Has anybody tried running Geoworks in a Desqview window?  Whenever I 
try it it works for a few minutes and then crashes the machine.  What 
settings do I need?

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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: RE: Shutting down Geocomm
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:27:34 GMT

Okay, let's see...

GeoComm:
	It's got problems.  :-) It, more than anything in the current
products, suffers from underwhelming-ness.  As for the connection being
dropped when you task switch...  The manuals pretty clearly explain that
task switching halts all of GEOS (which, of course, means that you cannot
multi-task non-GEOS applications).  GEOS makes no claims to that effect so
I guess all I can say is that I'm sorry that you got that impression.  As
for the silliness about not warning the user about disconnecting the modem
when you task switch...  That's a 'missing feature'.  :-)


File searching:
	I use WIZ too.  It's amazingly fast.  You might want to send a note
to it's author to encourage him to port WIZ to GEOS when the SDK becomes
available.  :-)


Generally Unsatisfied Comments:
	Did you ever run MS-Windows version 1.x?  If you had I think you
might have a different outlook.  Certainly GEOS has it's share of "I can't
believe they can't do that" mis-features.  The thing is that GEOS has an
incredible amount of "I can't believe that they could do that on a high end
machine let alone an old wimpy PC!" features as well.

	Also, you might want to consider the feature and what GEOS will
grow into versus what you really want.  Pen/GEOS is going to run on
Personal Digital Assistants (PDAs) (e.g. whatever Tandy/Casio/Palm produce)
that are much cheaper than what you'll find running other systems (e.g.
Pen/Windows).  GEOS's underlying technologically advanced design and
implementation has much more room to grow into the next century than any
commercial platform (even the amazingly vapor OS, Windows NT, is merely a
marketing stop-gap until MS can complete its 'Cairo' supposedly object
oriented OS).

	Blah...  Enough of my ramblings...

Thanks and good luck,
		John D. Mitchell
		johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	I must be biased since I work for GeoWorks.  I speak herein solely
	and expressing for my self.  GeoWorks speaks for itself (and I
	think that it speaks quite well :-).
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From: phesse@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Peter Hesse)
Subject: Re: Problem with PRO/DRDOS/STACKER HELP!!!
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:39:57 GMT


Make sure that the two volume labels on the Stacked and not Stacked drives are different.  Geos has had trouble with that before.

|> <  -  <
|  <  |  <
Pete Hesse
phesse@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Background file format conversion
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:13:53 GMT

In article <18lg9sINN5eb@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall) writes:
>Does anyone know if it's possible to convert a standard ".GIF" file for
>use as a GW background. What kind of format is used for the background
>pictures? I'd also like to convert some of the GW background file to
>the ".GIF" format for use on our Sun.
>
>Any leads greatfully followed.
>			-ted-
>
>
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What I've done is to use the 'xv' program on our unix system to change 256
color gifs to dithered b/w pcx files.  Then, it's just a matter of down-
loading, importing into GeoDraw, and pasting into the backgrounds.  Real
easy and quick.


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From: mhirsch@algorithms.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
	<Sep.11.23.36.39.1992.26122@pilot.njin.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:57:39 GMT

>>>>> On 12 Sep 92 03:36:39 GMT, birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) said:

Shag> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

>You can do what with DR DOS TaskMAX?  You can jump from GEOS to DRDOS
>without shutting down GEOS?  Or you can jump from DRDOS to DRDOS?
>If DRDOS will enable me to run a DOS task without shutting down GEOS,
>then DRDOS is a valuable adjunct to GEOS (besides all its own virtues),
>and I might be persuaded to buy DRDOS instead of giving up on GEOS.

But you can't use the TaskMAX swapper while your modem is active.  At
least, I can't.  When I try it tells me that my com port is active.

That strikes me as strange.  I can swap out any of my other comm
programs using TaskMAX.

Anyone solved this problem?
--


Michael D. Hirsch		mhirsch@cs.princeton.edu    
Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
Princeton NJ, 08544		FAX:   (609) 258-1771       
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley)
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Organization: Computer Technology Group, TAEX
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:43:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.185455.11541@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> johnm@cory.
Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>You might want to consider pestering AOL about it's pricing policy.  The
>president of AOL was interviewed in the last issue of MicroTimes, in it he
>said that they are trying to find ways to price AOL so that different types
>of users can have the kind of service that they want.

One day, while using Prodigy, I delved into an advertisement regarding down-
loading files. It turned out to be AOL--of all things. They even had a 
nicefeature, viz., leave them a mail message. I did, explaining my problems 
notonly with their pricing but also with their billing methods. I don't 
liketo give access to my credit cards or bank account. They never answered 
mymessage. *shrug*

>Good luck,
>       John
>       johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

Thanks, we'll probably need it.
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Subject: Geos with Stacker
From: arvidl@catarina.gac.edu (Lee Arvidson)
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:51:46 -0600


Hello,

	Has anyone had any problems running Geoworks with Stacker  
installed on their hard drive.  I am interested in using Geoworks on  
my machine, but I have heard rumors that they don't get along and you  
end up having to reformat your hard drive and not use one or the  
other.

	I am running a:
	
	IBM-clone 286
	2 mb ram
	Dos 5.0
	Stacker 1.?
	SVGA
	 

Lee

Email: arvidl@ancho.gac.edu


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From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Support-Forum on AOL
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:50:00 GMT
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG*
X-Comment-To: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)


Hello John!

You wrote Doug:

 > Problems/bugs/defects/etc. reports should be posted on America On-Line
 > (AOL) as that is GeoWorks official on-line support forum.  Of course,

Who ist the Sysop or who can be conntacted over there?
Here in Germany, I cann`t have access to AOL, but I can via Internet.
So I could report to them, if I know, to who I have to address the mail.

 > have all that much time to spend following up on these things because
 > I'm busy working on v2.0.  :-)

That`s fine :-))

regards

      ____
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~~~~~

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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Shutting down Geocomm
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:31:42 GMT

I am not enthusiastic about Geoworks.

One of the first things I did with it was set up GeoComm instead of my
usual terminal emulator, dial up a remote system, and look for files
to download.  Having found one, I decided I ought to jump to DOS to
see whether I already had it in any directory on any of my three hard
drives, or cataloged on a floppy disk.  Cheerfully I expressed to the
Welcome screen, picked Dos Programs, hit the Enter DOS button, and in
utter dismay watched Geos shut down and hang up my connection to the
remote system.

If that's the way it's supposed to work, I don't want it.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)	
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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: RE: Shutting down Geocomm  
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:35:58 GMT

> One of the first things I did with it was set up GeoComm instead
> of y   usual terminal emulator, dial up a remote system,
> and look for files  to download.  Having found one, I decided
> I ought to jump to DOS to       see whether I already had
> it in any directory 
 
I've often thought that being able to jump to DOS without shutting
down GEOS would be a useful feature.  Of course, I can do it with the
DR DOS TaskMAX, but a DOS session within a GEOS window q would be
usefull.

BTW, how come you didn't simply look for that file using the 
GeoManager?
 
Stephen Legge
Internet: SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Mahjongg for Geos
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:49:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall) writes:

>Is there a version of Mahjongg for GW? I saw a Mahjonng tile set for
>down-loading, but I've never heard of the game being available.

I think it might be part of the entertainment pack... which I didn't get, 
either.  I wonder if it's available in the stores yet.

-Shag
-- 

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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:54:55 GMT

In article <10276@tetons.idaho.amdahl.com> gnd@sawtooth.idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell) writes:
[...]
>I have some problems with their emphasis on support via AOL.  It would
>cost me $9/month to keep my AOL account active but unused, or $15/month
>if I used the 3 "free" hours (telco toll charges).  That means access to
>support would cost as much as the package cost me in 4-7 months!  Paying
>2-3 times the purchase price PER YEAR for support is a little extreme.
>However, since I haven't needed tech support yet, it doesn't bother me
>too much; I can try my luck with phone or mail support if necessary, or
>better yet AOL will come up with a no-minimum usage-based account type 
>some day, in which case I might get an account there.

You might want to consider pestering AOL about it's pricing policy.  The
president of AOL was interviewed in the last issue of MicroTimes, in it he
said that they are trying to find ways to price AOL so that different types
of users can have the kind of service that they want.

Good luck,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

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From: ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: fonts
Date: 4 Sep 1992 22:34:07 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

>Could someone please fill me in on the wuarchive site where I could 
>receive GW stuff.
--------------------------------------
Try "ftp -i 128.252.135.4" in the directory: /mirrors/msdos/geoworks.
			-ted-

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Subject: just test message. Art is empty
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Reply-To: leo@isi.itfs.nsk.su
Organization: Institute of Informatics Systems
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 10:38:46 +0800

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From: teddy@ut-emx.uucp (Teddy Iglehart [Ted E. Bear])
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: File transfer from UNIX systems using sb, sz, or sx
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:29:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.79012
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I use "xmodem sbk filename"  this gives me around 227cps at 2400
and not too bad of a result at 14.4k.  it is sending 1k packets.
The sb sx was flaky.  the sz works well if i taskmax to dos and
manually start zmodem...haven't been able to get it working
properly with the geos zmodem

hope this helps
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:52:00 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

>I can't agree with that.  What's your definition of a DOS app?  My
>definition is something that runs directly under DOS.  Windows is not
>an OS, it's a DOS app.  You may want to say that it's a DOS app that,
>once it's installed, behaves like an OS.  You could say the same for
>GEOS.  If that's what you want, I'll buy that.  You could even say
>that it's an OS that's installed as a DOS app instead of being
>booted.  I'd buy that.  But if it's called from the DOS command line I
>don't see how you can deny that it's a DOS app.

I think what I'm trying to say is that it's an OS that has to be started from
DOS, but takes over control from DOS once it is run.  GEOS uses DOS for the
file system.  That's all.

>Wrong.  I have no intention of telling my modem to ignore DTR or any
>such thing in order to accommodate the stupidity of a program I don't
>like anyway.  My other programs use that line - it's a much faster way
>of hanging up a connection than giving the Hayes signal to the modem
>to switch to command mode, and then giving a hangup command.

Calm thyself.  No need to start insulting software just because you don't get
along with it.  I know a lot of DOS programs will throw a dialogue box at you
asking whether you want to hang up the modem.  It's a good idea.  If GeoComm
doesn't have it in place for v2.0, I'll probably be slightly annoyed.  Of
course, since I don't _ever_ want it to hang up the modem, it won't matter to
me.  I don't use either method.  I just log out of the terminal server, or
the BBS, or the military computer I'm hacking [just kidding, spooks!] and
let it hang up on me.  I also use other terminal programs, and tend to switch
back and forth in the middle of a connection, based on what features I need.

But anyway.  You asked a question, in - I presume - good faith.  I answered it,
giving the _only_ answer, and being the only person to give that answer, also
in good faith.  If you want to be belligerent about it, I'll just keep my mouth
shut next time.  *shrug*.

-Shag
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     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche