HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism,alt.slack
Subject: Re: You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:44:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus) on Mon Dec 14 21:45 1992 posted:
 
 
|
|David Sweeney  x2987 (bigdave@vermont.tdd.sj.nec.com) wrote:
|: rodmoten@cs.cornell.edu (Roderick Moten) writes:
|: cxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Christopher Fenton) writes:
|: >|>
|: >|> fab doo's...mindless self-inflicted guilt...and all the fab
|: >|> glories of polyester...
|: >|>
|: >
|: >When was the last time you read Romans 8 and Galatians 5.
|:
|: Galatians?  Whoa, if's been a few years at least!  That was one of my
|: favorite games back in high school--I used to play it for HOURS down at
|: the local 7-11.  Man, I got blisters from that damn joystick, but I could
|: play for more than an hour on one quarter.  And the music in the bonus
|: stages was HOT!  Damn--they don't make games like that anymore.
|:
|: As for Romans... I never got into those historical role-playing games.
|
|You were playing GALAXIANS you jerk.  Galatians 5 is a boring game of free
|people thinking they are slaves and turning to JEEZUS in order to be free from
|their non-existent yokes.
 
	How about "Chri$t Invaders" ? Where the theists try to drop their
copies of "watch tower" or "Chic" comix into your house ?
 
 
|-- 
|Mike A. McAngus (mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org) 
|
|Like I really need another time-consuming hobby.
|This Posting Exploits Illiterates.
 
-- 
A. TRENT PHILLIPS |" A mirror is a negative space with a frame and a place for
  also known as   | your face, it reveals what the rest of us see. It conceals
   WHITE  ROOK    | what you'd like you to be."--Blue Oyster Cult
-------bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu-----aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu-------
From: maufd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Graley)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Date: 12 Dec 1992 02:38:53 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <10932@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:
In article <1992Dec11.054012.10468@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>Answer 1:
>
>There is a God-shaped hole in every person, and without God, a person
>is empty.

I didn't know Birmingham was God-shaped...

~THE GREAT NAME
-- 
    Don't worry,
     Its like in the comic books...
      ITS NOT REAL!
Xref: sparky talk.religion.misc:24211 alt.pagan:14390
From: traite@fellini.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:59:34 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Organization: Statistical & Data Analysis Center, Harvard University

In article <1gsvagINN3in@agate.berkeley.edu> key@soda.berkeley.edu (peter li'ir key) writes:
>
Lots deleted

>not every pagan fits nicely into a cubbyhole.  there are many pagans that
>follow new age, neo-paganism, druidism, wicca, astaru, or any other named 
>path.  but there are also pagans who follow path that are eclectic and
>draw from many different paths.  these pagans, like myself, follow paths 
>with no names.  i feel pagan is sufficient.

Yes, I too am an eclectic.  And I call myself pagan.  The point I'd
like to add (ironically I made this point on  another list a few days
ago;  any pagan/wiccan misc.kidders out there?
I know Dawn Hardin also lurks there :) :)  )
is that *WHATEVER* a person calls themselves is *THEIR* personal
perogative.  No one has, (or IMHO should have) the right to dictate what is
right for others.    With anything, I try to find out what
people's personal preferences are and then abide by them when
dealing/refering to them.  All I ask is that people do the same for
me.  
Just my $.02

Blessings and Happy Yule.
___
Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |I only speak for myself.
Statistical Programmer                   |
SDAC/Biostatistics Dept.                 |
Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |

<> IT IS A VIRTUE TO HAVE AN OPEN AND INQUISITIVE MIND. <>
From: siphon@momad.li.ny.us (Stimpson J. Katz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve again, was Omnicient
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 05:07:27 EST
Reply-To: siphon@Momad.LI.NY.US (Stimpson J. Katz)
Organization: Modem Madness BBS    1+516-295-9435

pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:

> >ldh@eedsp.gatech.edu (Lonnie D Harvel) writes:
> >:  My question would still be, why did God
> >: make it possible for us to sin, and why, knowing that
> >: A&E would fail, did he not intercede and prevent them.
> 
> Isn't it obvious by now that the particular interpretation of Genesis
> that you are refering to is bogus?
> 
> Here are some clues:
> 
> 1. The serpent did not lie.
> 
> 2. Eve did not do the wrong thing, she did the Eve thing since she
> lacked the knowledge of distinguishing good from bad.
> 
> 3. It was The Creators intent that the human being acquire the knowledge
> of good and bad of our own initiative, as we still do today. We are not
> born with ethics and morality, these things are learned through eating
> the fruit.

    I am sorry, but your analysis fails for two key reasons, First, as I
recall god punsihed Eve for eating the apple by making chilbirth
painful. Second, this doctrine is used as a primary defense of original
sin.

Siphon@Momad.LI.NY.US
Stimpson J. Katz

     I swear, by my life and my love of it, never to live for the
sake of another man, nor to ask another man to live for mine.
From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Bible verses for two days
Date: 17 Dec 1992 12:40:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
Reply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-25.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

There have been several posts regarding examples? and/or fears of  
misinterpretation of these verses.  Although I appreciate the comments, I  
think they should probably focus more on the actual interpretation than  
possible misinterpretation.  Thanks again for the comments.

In Christ's Love,

Bryan
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:31:46 GMT

In article <78352@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
>|>To be Christ like and obtain a relationship with the Father.
>|But I don't want to be like Christ and I don't want a relationship
>|with his dad.
>What is there about either Jesus the Christ or the Father that you
>don't want to be like or even know?  What does it require of you
>to let go of?

My intellect.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Bible verses for two days
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:19:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
Reply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: g310b10.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Dec16.164619.10843@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes:
> whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes
> 
> >This is one of my favorites-
> >verse 11
> >"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you and say all kinds  
of  
> >evil against you falsely for My sake."
> 
> I understand and appreciate the sentiment. Unfortunately, many
> christians of questionable maturity take this as a license to behave
> like arrogant, sanctimonious jerks. They imagine they're being
> reviled for their faith (admittedly, they occasionally are) and so
> crank up the repugnance in the delusion of standing taller in God's
> light. The cycle continues to saturation, leaving the pious believer
> convinced he's a saint and his detractors convinced he's a menace to
> society. People of conviction (most of us) should remember to ask "Am
> I being cruelly persecuted or justly ridiculed?" Being open to both
> possibilities is difficult, as evinced in this group. 
> 
> --
> Peter M. Yadlowsky              |  Wake! The sky is light!
> Academic Computing Center       | Let us to the Net again...
> University of Virginia          |    Companion keyboard.
> pmy@Virginia.EDU                |                      - after Basho
Good point.  It is sometimes can be a problem but for those who need it,  
it helps a lot.  It allows those who are being persecuted shrug it off and  
not let it get to them.

Thanks for the comment, Peter.

In Christ's Love,
Bryan
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: Heaven/Hell (was: Re: Perfect Love)
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:01:14 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec10.021022.3866@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
>In article <1992Dec07.074938.2465@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>>[...] if the Bible is TRUE, then God made us for
>>His own purposes and has the right to do as He pleases. The software I
>>help make is made for a specific purpose, and it doesn't get to choose
>>...people choose, not the software. 
>
>Someday I may have children.  I will have essentially "made" them.  Do
>I have the right to do whatever I please with them?

The bible compares the human parent/child relationship to God/creation,
but not in this way. If I'm using a compiler to create a program, the
compiler has essentially "made" the program. The compiler doesn't have
the right to do whatever it pleases to the program, the creator (me)
does. 

>It's nice that Christianity has benefitted you.  

Actually, God has benefitted me, not Christianity.

>Not everyone has had
>such a positive experience, though.

Of course not. I quit churchgoing and rejected God based on my unhappy
experiences with "Christianity" and trying to conform to my church's
image of a "Good Christian(tm)". I'm still undoing the damage from my
teenage "Perfect Christian" years, particularily in how it contributed
to messing up my self-image and my relationship with God and other
people. 

-jen

Xref: sparky talk.religion.misc:23875 alt.atheism:23687 alt.slack:3485
From: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J L Saunders)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism,alt.slack
Subject: Re: You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:05:57 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1992Dec11.045805.22624@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> amorgan@csd-d-4.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
%In article <1992Dec10.172246.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> 
%  holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
% 
%>I don't know why, but this reminds me of the absolute weirdest sin I've ever
%>been accused of.  It came during my infiltration of the Church of Christ here
%>on campus.  Basically they said my sin was not having a girlfriend at that
%>moment in time.  Their actual words were, "You are depriving some girl of
%>yourself."  And I thought I was strange.  Does anybody out there feel that 
%>I am depriving them.
%
%This sounds like the most sensible thing I have ever heard a religion
%say.  Imagine the pickup lines "Excuse me, but God wants me to go
%out with you".  As for you depriving them.... I know *I* am depriving
%hoards of lust drenched wenches, but then I am such a sunny, charming 
%person that just knowing me makes your life worthwhile.  You, on the 
%other hand, might be a reprehensible slime with the morals of a 
%televangelist.  I wouldn't know.

Brings a whole new meaning to "I'm on a mission from God"

Jason
-- 
    "Merry Xvob!"      Jason L Saunders [ RouE ]       "Merry Xvob!"
                     email: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk
snail: Warwick Business School, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK
From: ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Date: 20 Dec 1992 21:15:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lotus) says:

>ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield) writes:
>>Perhaps he, like I, is one of those people who is able to think for himself
>>and realize that christianity is not for everyone.  I do not fear the
>>christians or their beliefs in eternal damnation.  I want nothing to do
>>with a god that would even consider the idea of damning someone for
>>eternity.  I do not fear change, I relish it, that is why I changed from
>>being christian to being pagan.
>		 	  ^^^^^
>I hate to nitpick, but this is the DUMBEST word in modern spirituality today.
>ANd so many (not you) of these 'pagans' are about as true to their 'beliefs'
>as the average Christians.  Yeargh.
>
There are two comments that I would like to make to this.
First, I don't think that you'll find two pagans with exactly the same
beliefs, so how do you KNOW what their beliefs are?
Second, do you have a better word to describe a person who is a
polytheistic goddess and nature worshipper?

-- 
All propositions are true in some sense, false in some sense and
meaningless in some sense.  
                               --Hagbard Celine H.M. S.H.
<this is a signature virus, to spread it, just copy into your sig-file>
From: ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Date: 16 Dec 1992 07:44:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) says:

>In article <1glgcdINNiis@cascade.ens.tek.com> davidh@cascade.ens.tek.com (David Hatcher) writes:
>>In article <77785@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
>|>'sin' via _The Scribnew-Bantam Engish Dictionary_ is defined as:
>|>n.      1. willful breaking of a divine law or violation of the
>|>           principles of morality;
>|>        2. any serious fault or offense;
>|>vi.     3. to commit a sin.
>|>
>|>Which of these do you believe do not exist (the first or second
>|>part of 1, number 2, or number 3) ?  Depending on how you answer,
>|>do the others exist?
>|
>|
>|  In the same breath I'd say all of them and at the same time, 
>|none of them. At any rate "we" are the ones who needs to be 
>|forgiving others. If we can get to a place where we can do that,
>|miracles will freely flow.
>
>David, you don't think there is any serious fault or offense being
>committed or possible to be committed?  Do you believe this 
>physical body we live in can be hurt or cause hurt?  Does the
>physcial body we live in exist to you?
>
What could these questions possibly have to do with the idea of sin?
-- 
All propositions are true in some sense, false in some sense and
meaningless in some sense.  
                               --Hagbard Celine H.M. S.H.
<this is a signature virus, to spread it, just copy into your sig-file>
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.pagan
From: joann@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina)
Subject: Re: PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:00:37 GMT

In article <BzH1xL.GAv@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lotus ) writes:
>key@soda.berkeley.edu (peter li'ir key) writes:
>>not every pagan fits nicely into a cubbyhole.  there are many pagans that
>>follow new age, neo-paganism, druidism, wicca, astaru, or any other named 
>>path.  but there are also pagans who follow path that are eclectic and
>>draw from many different paths.  these pagans, like myself, follow paths 
>>with no names.  i feel pagan is sufficient.
>I'm sorry, but I feel that, just like Christians, you're making things hard on
>yourselves by refusing to identify that people 'out there' have a notion of
>what that word means.  I dunno, I think of pagan and picture hairy men breaking
>open bones and drinking the marrow.  I know that isn't the whole story (or 
>perhaps any of it), but come on...
>
It doesn't matter to me what the word "pagan" connotes to you, and
that's the point of this discussion.  It resonates for us as a way to
connect to the ancient people, though I have no illusions that we are
practicing the same religions they did.  We are interested in self-
definition, not PR, when we take this name.

Same thing with the word "witch."  It was used for a long time to
control people, mostly women, first with the actual threat of death,
lately with not being a "nice girl," not being acceptable.  But some
of us looked at the healing, ecstatic, earth-affirmation that went
witchcraft, at the power and joy of being female, and said "If that
makes me a witch, so be it. You can no longer control me with language."


*) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *)!(* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (*
Jo Ann Malina, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Neither Stanford nor the DOE would be caught dead with these opinions.
Nor do they consult me when formulating theirs.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"When [the Druids] had found [mistletoe] they danced round the oak to
the tune of 'Hey derry down, down, down derry!' which literally signi-
fied 'In a circle move we round the oak.'"
                 Mrs. M. Grieve, "A Modern Herbal," Dover, 1971, 1931.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: Circumcision and Syphilis
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:24:33 GMT
Distribution: default
Organization: IBM Research
Keywords: syp

In article <gdavis.723998623@griffin>, gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
|> In <1992Dec09.234354.16536@bmerh85.bnr.ca> dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <gdavis.723937981@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
|> >>  I just completed reading a 1910 edition concerning the spread of
|> >>syphilis in 19th century England. Sexual intercourse with infected
|> >>partners is ofcourse the primary vector amongst adults,however the
|> >>report sites many cases of syphilis among new born Jewish infants.
|> >>The cause it states is the oral contact between the freshly incised
|> >>penis and the mouth of the mohel (circumciser).
|> 
|> >I didn't realize that a blow job was an integral part of the
|> >circumcision ritual.  Is it still?
|> 
|> >>Religion Can be dangerous to one's health!
|> >          ^^^^^^
|> >That should be "is."
|> 
|>  I think the more fundamental elements still demand the kosher bris.

Could you please elaborate??

I'm sure my son had a kosher bris (is there any other kind?), and there was no
oral contact with the mohel.  (He was chanting the whole time.)

Describe what you claim is the version of the ceremony
which can pass syphilis.


-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.pagan
From: ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lotus )
Subject: Re: PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:48:56 GMT

key@soda.berkeley.edu (peter li'ir key) writes:
>>I'm sorry, but I feel that, just like Christians, you're making things hard on
>>yourselves by refusing to identify that people 'out there' have a notion of
>>what that word means.  I dunno, I think of pagan and picture hairy men 
>>breaking open bones and drinking the marrow.  I know that isn't the whole 
>>story (or perhaps any of it), but come on...
>where shall you take us?  what do you suggest i call myself?
Why bother?

>perhaps the reason i like using the word pagan to describe myself is
>because i wish to destroy the stereotypes associated with 'pagan'.
>one stererotype you just mentioned.  most pagans i know aren't hairy men.
>and one does not usually drink marrow one typically sucks it out, and
>pagans do not have sole claim to that delicacy.  my parents who are
>'good' christians enough bone marrow.
Fair enough.

>a word is a word.  and its meaning can change.  perhaps i am that
>arrogant fool who thinks he can change the conotationns associated
>with 'pagan'.  at the very least i want to try.  
Admirable.  I understand that, and can agree with it.

______________
Matt Ivaliotes				a.k.a. Lotus
ivaliote@ux1				lotus@uiuc
From: Bill
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Bible verse for the day
Date: 15 Dec 1992 05:50:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: salmon.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Tommorow, I will also post the KJV. This is the NIV version.

"Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things" Colossians 3:2


In Christ's Love,

Bryan
From: ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:11:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, arron@waikato.ac.nz () says:

>Hi Ivan ... how's it going ... just a few points.
>
>> Nonsense.  Read the Qur'an to see what Allah does to kafirs.  Read the
>> Hindu scriptures and the teachings of the Buddha to see what happens
>> if you don't work towards your liberation from samsara.
>
>Sorry about the generalisations ... it's pretty hard to be specific in 30
>words when your faith means so much to you. It does SEEM to be a bit of a thing
>in New Age philosophy that it doesn't matter much how you get to
>heaven/whatever. That's not true for me, Christianity is the only way, we just
>want to share it with anyone who will take time to try it.

As long as you don't harass non-believers that is your right.  It is my
right to continually remind you that your religion is not for me.  I tried
it and found that it was sorely lacking.
>> 
>> No, it isn't.  This is the only life I have, and I'm not going to
>> waste any of my (limited) time and energy on rubbish.
>> 
>
>Yes it is the only life YOU have, for me it's just a start. I enjoy my life a
>lot, and I have a joy when I see people come to the Lord, and that happens
>pretty regularly, so I'm regularly pretty happy !!! My limited time has purpose
>and direction. And it IS safe, because if you ARE wrong you have the Lord, if
>yoy ARE right, you will have enjoyed life just as much anyway !!!!
>
I am far happier now than I ever was when I was a christian.  I see no
reason to go back up a road that it took me so long to come down off of.


-- 
All propositions are true in some sense, false in some sense and
meaningless in some sense.  
                               --Hagbard Celine H.M. S.H.
<this is a signature virus, to spread it, just copy into your sig-file>
Xref: sparky talk.religion.misc:24205 alt.pagan:14381