From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: CMFN
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:52:07 GMT
Organization: Brown University
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Keywords: China

In article <Bxxsv8.5JK@math.uwaterloo.ca>, yma@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (William Yan Ma) writes:
|> I don't know how much they know about China for those who are
|> discussing the China's situation. I would like to say, China is much
|> different from the one in Great Cultural Revolution. This county is
|> changing to more realistic and hopeful. 
|> 
|> Yes, there are lots of problems in China, for example, human rights problem,
|> lack of freedom, etc. But how can a country get upside down in one night?
|> Even during the period around 1949, under the leading of Mao TseTung,
|> China finished its "Socialism Reform" for several years.
|> 
|> Democracy is nothing if you live in deep poverty. For China, the most
|> important thing is encouraging the government, the people to concerntrate
|> on economy development. Indeed, the economy development has become the
|> primary task of CCP. Don't you think it's a real revolution in China?
|> It is more important than the abstract human rights problems. Actually,
|> the right of living better is one aspect of human rights problem. And it
|> is realistic.
|> 
|> I just came from China. At least I know what the most people in China are
|> thinking. They need a better living more than the other things.
|> 
|> Although I think the CCP has done much wrong in China, you can not cancel
|> it now. Why? It's still strong, and its existence may help China prevent
|> another civil war or split. We need it now not because of its ideology,
|> but because of its organization. After the old men die, no one
|> can control this country, then the organization will help the country
|> keep united.
|> 
|> You might say, democracy can also prevent the country from splitting.
|> That's not so easy. Thinking of Taiwan, we have the same culture and
|> almost the same situation as it is in 70's. How long has it taken to
|> convert to a democracy political system? Until now, its democracy is
|> still very fragile. If we push the democracy too much in China now,
|> the discontent among different interest groups will destroy all we
|> have achieved in economy development now. That's right. Just thinking
|> about the "stock affair" in Shenzhen this year.
|> 
|> Yes, CCP need reformed. It is reformed now. And as I think, it is giving
|> up its old, out-of-dated ideology now. Someday, it will drop the mark 
|> "communism", as the CP in Hungary did several years ago. You will see,
|> in East Europe, Hungary is the most stable country. And its economy is 
|> much better than the other EE countries. (East Germany is different)
|> 
|> MFN is so important for the development of China that almost all Chinese
|> who are ambitious and seeking opportunities in Businesses hope that
|> China can keep the MFN status without any condition. I remember the
|> Jounalist Dai(4) Qing(2) said last week, she would like to go back
|> to Jail if that helped Chinese people to improve their living standard.
|> I appreciate her very much.
|> 
|> The economy development in China will push the politics changing deffinitly.
|> Now China is converting to market economy, a real revolution in China
|> history. We need MFN more than before to keep our economy stable. We
|> are Chinese, we must be responsible for the Chinese people. 
|> 
|> Now Clinton will take the office in White House. We Chinese Scholars and
|> Students here should push him to maintain MFN status of China without
|> any condition. We must be responsible for those who are living in
|> starvation and those who are seeking a better life in China. Human rights
|> problem is important. But we should do everything in positive ways, not
|> negative ways.
|> 
|> By the way, here I say, if you really want to do something to help this
|> country and the people in this country, you'd better go back to serve this
|> country. If most of the oversea students and scholars go back, the country
|> will change a lot. That's really helpful for the China's transition to
|> democracy system. Democracy is not just a concept.
|> 
|> William Ma
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
     If you organize a movement to support MFN and urge Clinton to do so, I
will join you.  Chinese people should have more freedom. CMFN is not a way.
I hope Bill Clinton will realize this.