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From: nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Emergency communications in South Florida...
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:45:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

It is interesting (and distressing) to note that *none* of the
news broadcasts I have seen, nor any of the newspapers that I
have read, have made any mention whatsoever of hams being involved
in emergency communications in the hurricane-hit area of Miami.

On the other hand, they have emphasized several times that there
is (or was, at any rate) a real problem with communicating with
some of the outlying areas.  That there was food, water, etc.,
available at shelters, but no way to let people know about it.

Three possibilities occur to me:

(1)	The hams down there all had their own problems, and
	couldn't stop to do emergency communications (but why
	didn't hams from the outside come in?)

(2) There was plenty of ham involvement, but it just did
	not get publicized.  (Guys too busy to stop and do
	P/R work).

(3) Everyone assumed that modern technology (cellular
	phones, etc.) made it unnecessary to provide for such
	arcane methods of communication.  (Wonder how many of
	the cellular-transmission towers are still standing??)

Been a number of years since I did that type of thing (the
last time was during Camille in 1969), but I'm curious as
to whether or not things have changed.

John


--
John W. Nall              | Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 32306
  Actually, love means that you *do* have to say you're sorry, even
	 if you're really not in the least bit sorry. - (me)
From: carrl@gordon-tsd1.army.mil (Mr Larry Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM service is GREAT
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:35:13 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

My two cents worth:
Sent my IC-751 to ICOM on Monday, got it back on Thursday of same week.
They fixed my problem, and automatically realigned xmit/rec, checked
all functions and returned posthaste.  It was in and out same day.
Several years ago I owned a Kenwood 9130 rig.  Sent it to Kenwood for
repair, did not see it again for eight weeks.  Which company would you
do business with again?
AA4DU in Augusta, GA
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Speaking Of Q-Codes...
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:59:34 EDT

gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.085437.8483@vax.oxford.ac.uk> malcolm@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>no-one has mentioned the matter of pro-words being language dependent whereas
>>pro-signs are not.OK on VHF all parties will probably speak the same language
>>and English is "Universal" but in noisy international HF voice contacts I can
>>see good cause to use pro-signs.
>Malcolm, as you should know, the spoken alphabet varies from language to
>language too. That's why we have an international set of phonetics....
>Thus the three word Q S L when spoken is likely to be more confusing than the
>standard spoken proword Roger.

It may, however, be easier to memorize 26 phonemes and have a list of 60
combinations than to memorize the couple of hundred English words required
to "spell" those coded phrases.  Perhaps some reader whose native language
isn't English would care to comment.
From: jjason@inetnode.austin.ibm.com (Jason Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need information/comparisons on Handi talkie units
Summary: I'm buying a handi talkie - which one?
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:29:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

Hello!

After reading through all the doublespeak and non-information of
manufacturer spec sheets, It's time to get some expert help. I'm in the
market for a dual band (2m, 70cm) handi-talkie and need some solid
information from people that have used them.

I've been looking at the ICOM W2A, the STANDARD 558, and the KENWOOD
78. I have not yet got any info on the YAESU. From what I read in the
forums, Kenwood has a poor service department, so I'll pass on their
gear. The ALINCO dual bander seems to have some software problems, so
again I'll pass.

Questions:

Of the remaining hardware (plus any I've missed), does anyone have any
good reason why I should buy one over another?

I would like to do high speed packet (9600 bps +) with the portable. I
realize that I'm asking for miracles here, but does any handheld dual
bander have a low enough phase distortion and proper bandwidth to do
this?  Better yet, if it works, what's the setup?

Also, what about mods to open up the RX/TX? I know the W2A can be
opened up quite a bit. Others?

Nobody in our area has a Standard 558 - what does it come with and how
well do you like it? The trade press and Standard disagree on this, so
I'm interested in what users have to say...

Offbeat Questions:

Has anyone taken a commercial V.32bis modem and made it into something
that would be useful for packet use? They're getting cheap enough now
to make this feasable. I expect some modifications to the modem guts
and possibly a "backend" of some sort would be required.

Any recommendations for mounting an Antenna on a Mazda MX3?

Closing:

Thanks in advance for everyone's help. If I get a good response, I'll
post a summary so others will benefit.

Yours, 
(^.^) Jason

-- 
//  Jason Hernandez - Network Engineer and Practicioner of Arcane Magic   \\
\\ IBM AWD, Austin Texas. jjason@inetnode.austin.ibm.com   AUSVM6(JJASON) //
My typing == my opinion. Read the trade mags for my employer's opinions.
Its a boring .signature file - deal with it!
From: hugh@ipc11.gvl.unisys.com (Hugh Pepper)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood Service SUCKS!!!
Summary: maybe SUCKS is a bit strong..
Keywords: Kenwood
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:22:09 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

In article <1992Aug27.092037.1263@guvax.georgetown.edu> roakley@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.133437.19998@sunova.ssc.gov>, greg@sscvx1.ssc.gov (Greg Chartrand) writes:
>> If so many of you are having problems with Kenwood USA, I suggest you send 
>> a short sweet letter to Kenwood Japan. For the cost of postage, I think a 
>> deluge of letters when sales are down would have a very strong impact.
>> 
>> 
>> Just a thought....
>> 
>> Greg
>> WA9EYY
>
>
>Someone might even go back and print out all of the letters on this 
>thread and send the whole package off to Kenwood (nasty language and 
>all).  I own three Kenwood rigs now (TH25, TS440SAT, and TM701) and 
>have never had any problem.  (I.e., I have never had to use their 
>service department.)  
>
>However, I have been looking to upgrade the HF rig, and I was 
>considering the Yaesu 990, the Kenwood 850, and the ICOM 765.  Reading 
>this thread has convinced me to eliminate Kenwood from the running.  
>(Actually, I have pretty well settled on the 990.  I received a lot of
>positive comments on that rig when I inquired about it here a while 
>ago.)  Nonetheless, the fact is that based on these comments I am not 
>likely to buy Kenwood again unless I start hearing better things about 
>their service.
>
>Bob
>

Bob,  

I have had a few Kenwood radios in the past.. ts830S, ts440S, and ts850S..

My TS830S was trouble free, My TS850S,(5 months old) is also trouble free, and
one of the finest radios I have ever used (really HOT receiver!!)  and last,
and certainly least, is the TS440S, which I posted about the VCO5 problem 
previously.

(BTW - thanks Ray - WA4VME for all of the help with the service bulletin!!!!).   

I hope you won't do yourself a great dis-service by not considering the TS850S,
because of things a few people on this net have said.  I wonder how many people
are out there using this equipment, and are totally satisfied.  When things are
working well, people tend not so say very much, however, when there are problems
there are always plenty of comments to be found.

Not that the other radios mentioned above, are any better or worse.. I just
think that you should decide a radio's merits based on the radio, and remember,
that there might be plenty of satisfied customers out there, who don't feel the
need to defend their radio purchases. 

P.S. Who needs Kenwood Service support, when we have this great wealth of
information about radios right here on the NET!!!!  





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Hugh M. Pepper            |email: Hugh@ivy.unisys.com
KE3BI ('B`ad 'I`nfluence) |ph:	  215-443-7500
Paramax Systems -         |Ivyland PA, 18974
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
Subject: Re: Speaking Of Q-Codes...
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:47:32 GMT
Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: QRT

In article <15261@ksr.com>, jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes:
|> >Malcolm, as you should know, the spoken alphabet varies from language to
|> >language too. That's why we have an international set of phonetics....
|> >Thus the three word Q S L when spoken is likely to be more confusing than the
|> >standard spoken proword Roger.
|> 
|> It may, however, be easier to memorize 26 phonemes and have a list of 60
|> combinations than to memorize the couple of hundred English words required
|> to "spell" those coded phrases.  Perhaps some reader whose native language
|> isn't English would care to comment.

First - it's amusing to watch how those with experience are trying
to tell the others what the normal ways of using codes are; while
those others cling to their amateurish aquired "skills" and seek
every argument possible to defend their accustomed malpractice.

Second - it's bull*** about a "couple of hundred English words".
You are off by the order of magnitude. I'm aware of about 20
or so pro-words.  They are by no means as, err, "rich" as
Q-codes are, and are much more "communication-specific".
Yes, I know - they don't cover as wide an area as our
lovely Q-codes do... Fine, pray tell me, how many
various Q-codes have you seen in use?  Five? 
Ten? Twenty? I can almost bet my a** that 
no more than that.

And finally - back to your question. My native language
isn't even close to English, and I found no problem 
whatsoever to learn  BOTH  phonetic alphabet AND
those few pro-words normally  and widely used.
It's too simple to even talk about it [well,
unless of course you want to know ALL the
possible Q- and Z-codes :-).    Also, 
believe it or not -   "memorizing" 
comes naturally with PRACTICE]. 

I mastered English several years later. Any more questions? (:-)
--
Regards,
Uri.		uri@watson.ibm.com
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: derry@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John Derry)
Subject: 40-m vertical from downspout
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:15:00 GMT


Three sections a aluminum downsspout (plus a smidgen more) seems like
a gud idea for a 40-m vert.  (With "radicals" of course.  How many times
have you seen postings about vertical antennas and their "radicals"?)

One could cut them smaller and carry them in car trunk.  Band them  
together to keep them a "bundle" with enought wires for the radials.   
Would go up easily (it's light) and might guy with lightweight nylon or  
dacron cord.

Someone try this and report back to me.  HI

gud dx es 73 de Jack, K9CUN
From: whitej@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WX4S
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:05:56 EST

WX4S
ED,
Gave you wrong info on address it is whitej@astro.cs.hh.ab.com.  
73 Joe

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: Re: Uselessness of ARES/RACES
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:08:43 GMT

grady@public.BTR.COM ( ) writes:

>Hey! I'm not saying that hams _can't_ be useful 
>in an emergency -- I'm just saying that only a
>fool would _rely_ upon them.                                          
                                                                            
What is your definition of "emergency," and do your comments apply
only to America?

A friend of mine in Slovenia has been handling a lot of traffic
back and forth between people in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Bosnian refugees
in Slovenia. This is the only method of communications that seems to be
working at all, because the terrible fighting in Bosnia has disrupted
virtually all other forms of communication. This is the only way that
people in Bosnia know whether loved ones have successfully made
the dangerous crossing out of Bosnia, and the refugees know that the
loved ones they have left behind are still alive. He has written me
several times that he believes ham radio has never helped so many people,
or been so important, as in former Yugoslavia.

Such traffic is being passed constantly there, on 40m and 80m.

This may not be an ARES/RACES emergency, but it is the biggest
humanitarian disaster in Europe in half a century.

Sharon, KC1YR    

-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us   or   uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Speaking Of Q-Codes...
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:03:16 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <179cdiINNk1h@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> robinson@porter.geo.brown.edu (Darrin Robinson) writes:
>Last night I was monitoring the public service bands and on
>155.685 (Newport, R.I.'s Police Dept Channel #2) it sounded
>like some New York (Up-state) State Police department was
>using Q codes... and I mean ham Q codes...
>
>It caught my attention when the dispatcher said something
>to the affect of...
>
>"103 what's your QTH"
>
>Reply, "103, QTH is xyz."
>
>Since when did the Police get into Q codes and dump the
>"10" codes?
>
>Puzzled,
>(N1LLV) Darrin

That's funny, I was just going to post about this.

I enjoy watching that television show 'COPS' on the fox network. Last week
an officer was taking down a suspect that had tried to evade him and he
was on the radio saying 'QSL?' after each transmission, sometimes more
than once. This evening I saw an episode in which the officer advised
'QRX' to indicate that the dispatcher should stand by.


I was quite suprised, not only that they were using what I had thought were
more or less exclusively Amateur Radio codes, but also codes that are not 
appropriate for VHF/UHF FM. I've never noticed this before, and have  yet
to hear it localy on the public service bands.

What's up? Anyone else noticed this 'trend'? 

Conjecture: the usage may have come from exposoure to Amateur Radio Operators
in ARES/RACES operation who were, unfortunately, using Q codes. They may
have thought that since the Amateurs were doing such a good job, and that
they had heard such good things about Amatuers as communicators that,
'this must be the right way to do  this' Increased particpation by the eager
new ranks of technian licenses (like myself) may account for this as well,
From what I hear, interest and participation in ARES/RACES oepration is at
an all time hight.

If this is the case, we really need to get the word out BETTER on proper
procedures and usage... Perhaps  more Wally and Mike (?) stories in QST?
Also, EC's and NCS's should be doing more than just 'running things' and
actively promoting proper operations and emergency training.

Your comments eagerly awaited.
From: pcl@engr.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WBAZ
Date: 25 Aug 1992 21:34:42 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Subject: Re: WBAZ?
Distribution: usa
 
When I used to live in near Boston, it was quite common to hear FDNY on 154.25
154.19, 154.43, etc.  Signals usually wiped out local FDs on the same freqs.
  
-- 
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n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.na| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  | plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: coolidge@zk3.dec.com (Bayard R. Coolidge)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Massachusetts 146.52 (Was Re: Uselessness of ARES/RACES)
Keywords: MASS146.52
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:06:37 GMT
Reply-To: coolidge@zk3.dec.com (Bayard R. Coolidge)
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


--
In article  <1992Sep2.153345.12770@rti.rti.org>, jbs@rti.rti.org  asks:


> I was pleased to see signs along the interstate through (I believe it was)
> Massachussetts indicating that someone with some sort of emergency services
> organization monitored 146.52 - it didn't say anything else (except I think
> there may have been a call sign given as well), so I wonder what non-hams
> made of it...

> Anybody in MA know any particulars on this service?

>   -joe


Well, I'm not from Massachusetts, but I work close enough to give you a
brief summary. The signs you saw are posted on Interstate 495 and on US 3
in the vicinity of Westford. There is a club station at the Westford Police
Station that is staffed by licensed amateurs including the Chief (or has he
retired? - no matter). Any emergency calls made on 146.52 will be answered
either by the club station or another designated amateur living in the
immediate vicinity. The call sign on the highway sign is that of the club.

It works. I used it once many years ago to call in an accident in nearby
Chelmsford on US 3 that tied up traffic rather severely. Westford PD was
able to notify Chelmsford very quickly and efficiently. It certainly saves
time because those of us who aren't necessarily familiar with the local
repeaters and their coverage areas don't have to worry - one stop shopping!


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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Cellular Frequencies
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:26:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Aug26.142641.19182@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes...
>moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
> 
>> ObFact:  It is now illegal to tune your TV to receive UHF channels 70-83.
> 
>No kidding? What's the deal?

What used to be UHF channels 70-83 are no longer assigned to broadcast TV,
they've been reassigned to cellular telephones.  See previous discussion on
listening in to cellular phones.  Newer TV sets can only receive broadcast TV
channels up to Ch. 69 and no further.

(this is a small example of the lack of thought in the ECPA - assign cellular
telephone service to a frequency that nearly every Amercian home has a receiver
for, then 'solve' the potential privacy problem by making it illegal to listen
in)

BTW, it is legal to listen in on *cordless* phones via radio.  Guess which
industry had the stronger lobby?

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: I Lost My License ID
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:21:49 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

I lost my wallet (and my license ID card ) yesterday.How can I get
this card replaced? Thanks.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
Given Civil Seizure, from the DEA's point of view, winning the War on
Drugs would be killing the Goose that lays golden eggs.

The Drug War is a government-sponsored, taxpayer-financed,
full-employment program for psycho/socio-paths, wannabees and
gonnabees.

It's not surprising that the Republican Administration has done
nothing to stop the "ethnic cleansing" going on in Yugoslavia. Ethnic,
political and religious cleansing is an implicit plank of the
Republican platform.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio: A Technical Hobby? (was: QST, in my opinion)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:20:50 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Aug27.155611.14921@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>I don't think that's philosophically acceptable. Amateur radio
>is supposed to be about radio, and advancing radio technology, 

These two are technical.

>and radio operator skills, and public service, and international 
>goodwill.

...but these three aren't necessarily technical, or even mostly so.

>           Most importantly, it's about learning, lifelong. Learning
>to improve our methods and skills, learning about *radio*, learning
>about *communicating* effectively. Not just for some test, every day.

No argument here...but the learning doesn't necessarily have to be of a
technical nature.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Keep in mind that Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will cease to exist
            at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: reisert@mast.enet.dec.com ("Jim Reisert, AD1C  25-Aug-1992 2005")
Subject: ARLB078 Andrew update no. 2
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:03:37 PDT
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ZCZC AG01
QST de W1AW  
ARRL Bulletin 78  ARLB078
From ARRL Headquarters  
Newington CT  August 24, 1992
To all radio amateurs 
 
SB QST ARL ARLB078
ARLB078 Andrew update no. 2
 
Hurricane Andrew (25.7 N, 83.1 W at 1800Z, August 24, maximum
sustained winds to 140 mph) passed over the southern tip of the
Florida peninsula earily this morning and is expected to threaten
the Gulf Coast later.  Amateurs are advised to monitor storm nets:
Hurricane Watch Net (14.325 MHz), 4U1UN-sponsored net (14.268 MHz),
International Assistance and Traffic Net (14.303 MHz),
Intercontinental Net (14.300 MHz), Florida emergency nets (3940,
3950 and 7247 kHz), Waterway Net (7268 kHz) and others.  Nets are
handling situation reports and health-and-welfare traffic.  Please
do not transmit on these frequencies except in response to
instructions from net control stations.  Please do not interrupt
nets with requests for storm coordinates or other general
information which is available on local NOAA weather broadcasts.
Priority must be given to immediate disaster relief communications.
Control of the communications situation belongs with amateurs and
authorities in the affected areas.
 
An ARRL official in Miami reports that reliable telephone service
exists in the area with only a few exceptions. 
NNNN
From: barryc@mpd.tandem.com (Barry Chalcroft)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Alinco Phone #
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:11:11 GMT
Reply-To: barryc@mpd.tandem.com (Barry D. Chalcroft)
Organization: /etc/organization


Hi net folk,

Does anyone have the telephone # for Alinco? I need to get my DJ-580 
repaired (vfo control is intermittent / fell 3 feet onto sidewalk /
happened 2 months ago, just acting up now).

TNX all,
-- 
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