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From: ISW@cup.portal.com (Isaac S Wingfield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: positioning cursor within text field
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:50:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

I'm scripting a little "reminder" stack, and I want to date tag all entries.
I know how to get the date, and append it to the end of the field, but I can't
figure out how to get the text entry point positioned after the date entry.

Is there a command for "move the cursor to the end of the field"?

E-Mail preferred over posting.

Thanks, Isaac   isw@cup.portal.com
From: cjk@cislabs.pitt.edu (Carl J Kuzmich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: quicktime movies on a hypercard
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:45:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hi All

Need some help.  What do I need to do to be able to "paste" quicktime movies
directly onto a card? 

When pasting is complete I want the movie to look like it is ""laying" on the
card, not in a window.....

Any and all help will be appreciated....    Thanks in advance.

-- 
Carl Joel Kuzmich  (412) 624-1885     | Love is a better teacher than duty |
University of Pittsburgh              |                - Albert Einstein   |
110 Old Engineering Hall 
Pittsburgh, PA   15260
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: field delimeters
From: clas005@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:45:26 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

> This may be a simple one. I hope so.
> I'd like to use a different character (not the comma) as the delimeter
> between items. What is the best way to do this?

It is simple: say in your script, "set the ItemDelimiter to" 
whatever you want. But it will revert at idle time.

Amazingly, this property was not built into HC until 2.1, and 
even then only because it was needed to get pathnames.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: leonam@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu ()
Subject: field selection in openCard handler
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:30:39 GMT

A message-passing question for the HyperCard gurus:

I have a stack, "x", which contains an openStack handler.  Under specified
conditions, the openStack handler changes cards and exits, i.e.

on openStack
  [...]
  if condition is true
    go card "y"
    exit openStack
  end if
  [...]
end openStack

Card "y" has several text fields.  I want the cursor to be placed in one of
the fields when the user arrives at the card.  Thus card "y" has an openCard
handler, i.e.

on openCard
  select after text of cd field "z"
end openCard

If I go to this stack from some other stack, everything works fine.  Card "y"
appears to receive two openCard messages (one resulting from the 'go' command,
and one sent as part of the openStack sequence, intended for the first card),
but this does not appear to cause a problem.

However, if I start up HyperCard with this stack (by double clicking on it),
the cursor appears in the field momentarily (after the 'go' command), then
disappears again.  The second openCard message is being sent, but for whatever
reason, the cursor does not stay in the field, or get put back again as it
should.

So what is going on here?  Is there something in the startUp message sequence
that I am overlooking?  It would seem that, regardless of how I get to the
stack, the last message sent should be an openCard to card "y".  Why doesn't
the cursor appear in field "z"?

There is no background script associated with card "y".  There are no openCard
handlers in the stack "x" script, or the home stack script.  No idle handlers.

Any pointers would be much appreciated.  Thanks.

				Marc Leonard
				leonam@rpi.edu
From: jm7f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joe Melvin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: going rate for HC programming?
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:55:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8eotHve00WB60ug1BL
Organization: Doctoral student, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hello -

I may be contracting with someone to do some programming in Hypercard in
the near future.  Having in the past been paid measly wages as a student
programmer, I'm very attracted to the idea.  I don't know what wage to
suggest, however - does anyone have any advice to give me?  I'll post
the answers (without names, of course), unless someone asks me not to
post theirs.

I'd appreciate any advice people could give regarding other things, too,
like how to negotiate with the company (they are a book publisher who also
markets educational software), what to look for in a contract, etc etc. The
software is a program I developed as a student, which they have purchased
two years later, and they want modifications done.  The code is largely
undocumented, so I have that going for me (it would take someone else a long
time to figure it all out), and they have pretty tight deadlines.

Thanks in advance,
Joe Melvin
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Fkey for system pallete
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:52:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: nick@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu



People:

   I'm running a bunch of prorgams that change my sytem color pallete
and leave 'em that way.  Does anyone no of an FKey that will snap your
pallete back to the system default?  And where I could get it?  I've
already checked sumex-aim, apple.com, and BMUG...
   Or, failing that, is there a fairly staighforward way to make an 
Fkey to do this (I've never made one before)?

  (e-mail response prefered!)

                                     Nick

  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Joel_Siegel@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:34:37 PDT
Subject: Re: Question: What is System 7 equivalent of Finder LAYO resource?

I'm interested in the same thing. There are some ResEdit TMPLs and other
goodies which allow you to edit *some* of the Finder 7 layout features (beyond
what the Views control panel allows you to), but I haven't run across anything
which lets you adjust icon or small icon spacing, for example, to let you
squeeze more icons into a given space (especially handy for us small monitor
users). There is a Finder resource known as "fvew", which doesn't have a TMPL
out for it yet; I can't help but wonder if that might be something which
adjusts icon spacing or some such sorcery. (I *don't* speak Hex, by the way.
;-)  )  If anybody knows anything about it, please post and/or mail to me (at
BMUG or to jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu) or to Wiley Sanders,
wsanders@ffeine,Internet (to whose message I'm replying.) TIA....
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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 6.0.8 and 7.x
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:38:22 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <1992Oct13.143039.27334@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
st890123@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Joe Dropkin) wrote:
> 
> Does sys7 make new desktop files on a disk that runs off of 6.0.8?  I know
> it does with 6.0.7, but I also know that 6.0.8 was designed to be somewhat
> compatable with 7.x

The only difference between system 6.0.7 and 6.0.8 is that the latter has
the system-7 printer drivers.  Otherwise, they are the same.

BTW, all floppies have the original desktop file, even under system 7; only
hard disks, removable media, etc., have the new desktop DF and desktop DB
files.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: aad35939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A A DeGuzman)
Subject: Re: MacTCP 1.1.1 Upgrade costs $100 ????????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:49:05 GMT

What are the new features/bug-fixes in 1.1.1?

-- 
Alan A. DeGuzman                  "Nothing spoils fun like finding out it
Calculus&Mathematica               builds character."
DISCLAIMER: "The University
can't afford my opinions."                           - Calvin to Hobbes
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From: javier@cs.utexas.edu (Javier H. Seen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: **HELP: HD partitions NOT visible throughout AppleTalk**
Date: 16 Oct 1992 03:12:33 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu


Hi Mac netters:

I have a hidden HD partition that can be mounted and accessed only
with a password.  Once this is done, it is assumed that other Macs
connected in the network via AppleTalk can see and therefore access
the said visible partition.  The problem is that only two of the
six partitions are visible.  

Is there any step that I missed when I installed System 7.0.1?  
Was I supposed to set a toggle that makes the ENTIRE PARTITION
sharable throughout the network?  I may open and click at all
possibilities, but I figured some Mac communication guy/gal out
there can help me out in less time.

BTW, I used Silverlining 5.28 to create the six partitions, and
I currently use Silver Volumes to set/reset partition lock/mount
conditions and passwords.  The "server" is a full-fledged System
7 IIcx, and the other 3 machines are: another IIcx running System
7, and two IIx's running System 6.0.5.  Farallon connectors are
used to link them physically.

I appreciate your help/technical advice.

--Javier
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(O)471-9709, (H)473-2361     | "I wanna be like Mike" (Mike Burton, that is)
Office: PAI 5.68, M-S 18h-5h | "Why do .signature files hafta be SO short?"
From: haynes@equinox.unr.edu (Kenneth Haynes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: FTP Performa sys soft????
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:13:22 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

Does anyone know if you can FTP the system software for the 
performa macs????  How about AtEase! ?????


----ken

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:12768 comp.sys.mac.hardware:19013
From: dmcannon@sunrise.Stanford.EDU (David M. Cannon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Can I use an alias of a Deskwriter driver?
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:22:30 GMT
Reply-To: dmcannon@sunrise.stanford.edu.stanford.edu ()
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford University

I just bought a Deskwriter, and since I alternate between system 6.0.5
(w/ Desktop Manager 2.0.1) and system 7.0 w/tuneup 1.1.1, I was hoping to
use just one copy of the driver in the 6.0.5 folder and an alias in the
7.0 folder to save disk space.  Unfortunately, the Chooser doesn't seem to
recognize the alias in 7.0.  What's wrong here?

Thanks for any clues,

Dave Cannon
dmcannon@sunrise.stanford.edu
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Can I do FTP directly???
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:24:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.7217
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>Are there FTP programs out there that I can use to FTP sites directly?  I'm
>hooked up via MacTCP to CornellA or VAX5 (Dec and IBM) and FTPing using my
>accounts there.  What would it take to run a FTP program on my machine directly
>through my appletalk?

  There is some commercial software, Versa Term Pro 3.6.3, that supplies
FTP tools, as well as a great emulator.

                              --  Nick


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: winney@DAL.MOBIL.COM (Randy Winney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Unix on my Mac?
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:03:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.213725.5020@pellns.alleg.edu>, smytonj@murr10.alleg.edu (James Smyton) writes:
|> 	I go to Allegheny College and we have an incrediblesetup of NeXT  
|> computers.  The problem is that I own a Mac IIcx and the only Mac the  
|> college has available for student use is a Classic with system 6.0.7 and  
|> MacWrite 5. The NeXT is a Unix machine and has a current version of Word  
|> Perfect.  I would like to be able to run Unix on my machine for some  
|> limited cross platform use.  I heard that A/UX is not compatible with  
|> System 7.  What should I use that won't require me to switch systems  
|> completely?  I have to admit I like my 7.0.1 and would be upset if I had  
|> to revert to system 6.x. Any suggestions?
|> 
 
I would certainly consider running MachTen, which is 4.3 BSD on top
of a Mach kernel. I have not tried it, but it sure sounds nice. You
can get all the details from info@tenon.com.

-- 
Randy Winney       winney@dal.mobil.com
Mobil Exploration & Producing Technology Center
Dallas, Texas
From: stump1@pitt.edu (Robert E Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: KanjiTalk...
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: stump1@unix.cis.pitt.edu


	I know nothing about KanjiTalk.  Absolutely nothing.  So the
question is;

	What version of KanjiTalk is available?  Can one just add
normal extension (ie:Ethertalk) just by dragging into the system folder?
I would have to assume that KanjiTalk opperated under the EXACT same
pretenses that regular Mac system software opperates. If for some 
reason it does not, I need to know.

	I realize that this is an odd question.  Again, I just need
to know.  

Thanks all...


Later...


				Stump.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: moofie@apple.com (Steve Klingsporn)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Source for System 6.0.8L
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:06:23 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <TJFS.92Oct6193734@coffee.tadtec.uucp>, tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim
Steele) wrote:
> 
> Subject line says it all really!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tim

You MUST be kidding.
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Steve Klingsporn                        "I have but one desire in life,
Collaborative Systems Development        to tear down the sky."
Apple Computer, Inc.
20525 Mariani Avenue, MS 35-A                           - Alberto Tomba
Cupertino, CA  95014
(408) 862-6508
Internet: moofie@apple.com

Disclaimer:  Whatever I express is that of my warped mind alone, and
in no way represents my employer.
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: RE: Help: Shrunken Control Panel Window (6.0.8) PB100
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 11:08:06 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb) writes:

SC> I'm Running a PB 100 under 6.0.8 and I somehow managed
SC> to shrink the control panel window such that I can't
SC> see all of the panels.  It may have happened when I
SC> booted off an external HD running 7.0 anyway, is there
SC> some preference file or Res-Edit chunk that will fix this?
SC>

I've seen this happen before.  Your Control Panel DA has become corrupted
somehow.  Simply run Font/DA Mover and remove it, and replace it with a copy
from your System disks.

--Adam--
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mingo@world.std.com (Charles H Mingo)
Subject: Re: Running Sys 7 and Kanjitalk 6
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:04:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.010642.28321@news.Hawaii.Edu> michaely@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Yokoyama) writes:
>Is there any way to handle this elegantly?  When I run the J-OS,
>I have to rebuild the desktop for Sys 7 later.

	Using Desktop Manager on the System 6 floppy, you will not need
to rebuild the desktop when you switch back to System 7.  I'm sending
you a copy of Desktop Manager by email.

>Also, interested in how to bless the folders elegantly.  Blesser
>takes me from E->J, but I need Sys Switcher to go back to J->E.

	I use System Switcher myself for both directions.  Why is it
not considered "elegant" enough?

Two other points:  You can run KanjiTalk as part of System 7 using 
GomTalk, an extension from Japan.  Write me if you're interested.

System 7.1 will include WorldScript, which will allow you to run the 
Kanji script under a US version OS.  No word on when the Japanese
script will be available (System 7.1 and WorldScrpt come out Oct 19).


-- 
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Charlie Mingo					Internet: mingo@well.sf.ca.us 
2209 Washington Circle #2				  mingo@cup.portal.com
Washington, DC  20037	    AT&T:  202/785-2089 	  mingo@world.std.com
From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: NewGen Printer - Any problems with the PostScript Clone?
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:48:52 GMT
Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY

I like the price of the 400+ DPI PostScript printer from NewGen
($1700). It however has a PostScript clone for it's Weitek CPU. Has
anyone had any incompatabilities printing to the NewGen Printer?


Please send me e-mail as I am going on vacation next week. Thanks. 
--
Bruce Barnett <barnett@crd.ge.com> uunet!crdgw1!barnett
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge)
Subject: POP a/c password changer (Eudora)
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:04:54 GMT

Hi.  I'm not sure if this is precisely the right place for this post, but
here goes...

We have just looked at the latest version of Eudora, v1.3b90, the popular
POPmail package for the Macintosh.
This version has provision for POP account passwords to be changed from
within Eudora, *providing* the POP server can understand the protocol
Eudora uses.  However, I am told that the commands issued by Eudora are not
part of the standard POP server package.

The question is:  has anyone written such a Eudora-compatible password
changer for a Sun?  If so, where can we get a copy?  If not, then we can write
one ourselves, but of course we don't want to do so needlessly.

Here is a quote from the Eudora documentation specifying how the server
should reply to Eudora's queries:

-----
If you'd like to use this command, you'll have to get your systems
administrator to cooperate.  A server must run on port 106 (the port number
can be changed with ResEdit) of your POP server.  The server can expect the
following sequence of commands from Eudora:

user yourloginname\r\n
pass yourcurrentpassword\r\n
newpass yournewpassword\r\n
quit\r\n

The server's responses should be like an FTP server's responses; 1xx for in
progress, 2xx for success, 3xx for more information needed, 4xx for temporary
failure, and 5xx for permanent failure.  Putting it all together, here's a
sample conversation:

S: 200 hello\r\n
E: user yourloginname\r\n
S: 300 please send your password now\r\n
E: pass yourcurrentpassword\r\n
S: 200 My, that was tasty\r\n
E: newpass yournewpassword\r\n
S: 200 Happy to oblige\r\n
E: quit\r\n
S: 200 Bye-bye\r\n
S: <closes connection>
E: <closes connection>
-----

Please send any advice directly to me rather than just to the newsgroups.
Thanks for any pointers,

Justin Ridge
University of Tasmania
(justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Subject: Re: 7.1 uses 300k less ram (true?)
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:36:52 GMT

I suspect the savings will be pretty much identical to what
happens when you install the tuner. But it sounds like Apple
has a good marketing team :) 

-Brian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: do-minh@suned.zoo.cs.yale.edu (Minh Do)
Subject: intnl systems
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Yale Universit
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:52:59 GMT

I am trying to help someone install some arabic fonts.  We installed some
commercial version of system 6.07 from a 3rd party vendor.  It turned her
whole system into an arabic system, with menus and all in arabic.  She only
wants to use arabic occasionally, and english most of the time.  There
was a little control panel (name in arabic chars) with a moon as an icon. 
I
reinstalled the english system 6.08,  leaving the arabic cp.  It lets her
type
arabic, even goes right to left.  But, when I installed the truetype
software
and tt arabic fonts from the arabic system 7 at ftp.apple.com, it refused
to
type right to left.  Removing the tt init solved the problem.

My question is whether installing system 7 arabic (she only has 2mb now so
I
haven't done that) will still let her do english work.  There is also an
international system.  What is an international system? Does it let you use
more than one language?
From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 6.0.8L - fact or fiction?
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:36:07 -0500

On 10/15/92@8:11:31 PM, Jeff Goldader said regarding "System 6.0.8L - fact or
fiction?:" 

  JG> 608L supports not only the 100 but the Classic II & LC II as well.
  JG> Works just fine on the 100.
  JG> 
           That's no biggee--6.08 REGULAR works on a PB100.  Remember that
functionally it's not different than the pre-System 7 luggable.

  JG> Jeff Goldader			    Disclaimer:  They don't know what I say,
  JG> goldader@akasha.ifa.hawaii.edu	                 I don't care what they
  JG> think, "Welcome to our spaceship... mighty Hercules."   and we're all
  JG> happy that way.
 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gpb@gpb-mac. (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: SYSTEM 7 BUG? - DISAPPEARING FILES
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:52:13 GMT

bpb@alfred.carleton.ca (Bryan P. Beazer) writes:
: I HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM, FILES KEEP DISAPPEARING
: FROM MY HARD DISK DIRECTORY.
: I CAN TEMPORARYILY REPLACE THEM BY USING THE FIND COMMAND
: BUT THEY DISAPPEAR IF I USE ANYTHING IN THE FILE.
: I HAVE A QUADRA 700, SYSTEM 7.0.1.
: I'VE TURNED OFF ALL EXTENSIONS.
: I REINSTALLED THE OPERATING SYSTEM.
: I RAN SUM UTILITIES.
: I RAN DISINFECTANT 2.9.
: I TOOK 2 VALIUMS, I'M ON THE VERGE OF A BREAKDOWN
: AND I STILL CAN'T GET MY FILES TO STAY INPLACE.
: CAN ANYONE HELP? 
: 
What you have there is the infamous System 7 bug the the System 7 Tune-up
fixes.  See your Apple dealer, other Mac users, or ftp it from apple.  It
must be tuneup 1.1.1 to work, and you will need to a least run Disk First
Aid prior to installing the tuneup.


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