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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVEN-CLAUS)
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:25:25 GMT

In article <8aYg02pK2fs101@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.163659.6855@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>
>>	And, of course, Tim Maroney's charges of sucking up just may have
>>some kernels of truth to it....
>
>Should some pro get on the net, and should some unwary person post something
>that actually says something *nice* about the pro, then said unwary person
>will be inundated with accusations that he is sucking up to the pro. On the

I gotta agree with this.  I remember last year right after I joined R.A.C., a
major Flame War erupted over Sucking-up to PAD.  In the course of it was
direct attacks at PAD's character.  The war was long and pretty anoying, but 
I do recall some nice lines about penis envy....


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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Elmo of the Lamp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:58:55 GMT
Organization: Scheherezade Stories Inc
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jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner) writes:
>>: John LaRocque writes:
>>: >If you want truly Africn American comics, heed the slogan of ANIA.
>>: >
>>: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
>>: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"
>>: 
>>And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
>>"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
>>double standard, no?
>>
> What double standard?
> Hello?  Hello?  Any oppressed caucasians out there?  No?  Didn't think so.

	Well, there's always gays, women, and Hispanics.  Go back to the
turn of the century and you'll find the Irish and the Slavs.
	The double standard is that blacks are allowed to discriminate
against whites and whites are not allowed to discriminate against blacks.
-- 
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--George Santayana                                                             
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: mmunoz@vxcrna.cern.ch (MUNOZ,MARC./DG)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:13:00 GMT

And talking about the Devil, what role has the great devil/demon that appears
in American Gothic? He is not (IMHO) neither Satan nor Lucifer. Any further 
opinion ?
      MArc
From: xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Phone # for DC, Marvel, Etc.
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:02:01 GMT
Organization: IMAGEN

In article <1992Dec12.142302.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11sgerlis@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>Ohhhhhhh Pleasssee....  I am from N.Y.C.... There's no such a phone number
>called 1-212-555-1212 because  the three digits are 555 are pretty stupid, it
>was used among in movie, television shows....

*flame on*
There IS such a number as 1-XXX-555-1212.  It's called INFORMATION.  How else do you think you can get a phone number from out-of-area code?  The 555 prefix is used in TV shows because it is dedicated to the phone companies, and it defin-  itely won't be a real number for some sicko to call and disturb.
*flame off*
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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: Is SANDMAN Literature?
In-reply-to: castle@cs.dal.ca's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:55:30 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<92348.232644CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET> <Bz984J.I23@cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:40:30 EST

In article <Bz984J.I23@cs.dal.ca> castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE) writes:

>Terry Prachett is the other author (damn fun books)

Or Pratchett, if you want to spell it right, which is more than one
can say for the American publisher of Reaper Man (on the top of every
even-numbered page! :-o ).

--
- Rich Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
From: pstrem@the-flea.East.Sun.COM (Paul Strem)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:12:05 GMT
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In article 1g5ndsINNl48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
> 
> To the theory that Delirium was assaulted; who would have the 
> power to assault an endless?  Perhaps, some absurdly powerful
> wizard?
> -- 
> "Ipsa scientia potestas est."
>              -Roger Bacon
> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
> the average voter." -Winston Churchill



Destruction??....




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From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
Subject: Re: Retcons and Dr. Doom (Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC)
Keywords: marvel doom simonson byrne retcons 
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:55:37 GMT

pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) writes:

>[speculation about Dr. Doom's history deleted]

>>
>>All this talk about Doom lately...  (Actually, it beats all the talk about
>>Supes lately.  I mean "Is Supes Dense?"; Come on, anyone who read the death
>>of Supes stories KNOWS he's got to be pretty dense.)
>>
>>Anyway, I don't think anyone has mentioned a possibility that's crossed my
>>mind lately:  What if there's more than one Doom?  Think about it: because of
>>his various excursions through (and across) time, there were a LOT of Kangs
>>running around, each claiming to be the genuine article.  The same could have
>>happened with Doom.  Simonson's handling of Doom's return would just about
>>guarantee it.  It would also account for the scarless "Doom" in Doom 2099 who
>>claims to be from this time...  Just something to think about.
>>

>ARRGHHH! So now, in addition to a bunch of Doombots running around, each
>programmed to believe they are the real thing, we have a bunch of
>alternate timeline Doom's, each believing they are the real thing.

Exactly.  Sounds fun, eh?

>As far as the 2099 Doom is concerned--Victor vonDoom would not where
>a costume with cheesy spikes on it (unless they are functional which
>I doubt they will be), and unless they show his eyes behind those
>eyeslits, a lot of the characterization of Dr. Doom will be lost. Of
>course, just MHO!

I agree about the eyes.  The writing had better be _damn_ good to make up
for not seeing his eyes.  The spikes probably will be functional for something
sometime, if he's the sneaky sort of fellow we know Doom to be.

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com
From: ric@netcom.com (Richard A. Bretschneider)
Subject: Sandman Annotation FTP Site?
Summary: Looking for an FTP site for Sandman Annotations.
Keywords: Sandman, Annotations, FTP, Site
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:48:06 GMT


I'm looking for Sandman Annotations that have been written/edited
by Greg Morrow.  I've got most of them, but am missing a couple.
Is there an FTP site that is up to date (39?)?  Any help will
be appreciated in _your_ dreams. :-)


-- 
                 
               | The face of a child can say it all, 
Ric            | especially the mouth part of the face.
Bretschneider  |
AKA            | If God dwells inside us, like some people say, I sure
ric@netcom.com | hope he likes enchiladas, because that's what he's getting.
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Doomsday cards. Special cards.
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:20:09
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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How many Special cards were available for the DD set of cards?

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From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bibbowski and Sooperman
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:16:19 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:

>In the post-CRISIS Superman titles, Bibbo was first introduced as a
>tough-talking guy in a bar, who thought the Superman was nothing but a
>pansy. WHen he fianlly met with Superman, and proved to be no match for
>him, he decided that "Sooperman" wasn't such a bad guy after all. He pops
>up now and again, and has proved to be a pretty decent character.

Y'know, while rereading some Super-titles this past weekend, I was struck by
a comparison I'd once made in jest but now am wondering if it is actually real.

In the pre-Crisis adventures, Superman met a sailor who, due to eating
irradiated seaweed, became super-strong for a while.  This sailor wore a
captain's cap, had one squinty eye and a large chin, and had large forearms.
He was, of course, a Popeye-analog, and his name was "Captain Strong".

I think Bibbo is the post-Crisis "Captain Strong".

(If they can bring back Giant Turtle Olsen, why not?)



-- 
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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: Little Squidmasters of the Poor
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:27:33 GMT

In article <Bz8D4v.4HH@news.udel.edu> cornwall@ravel.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>In article <Bz3IB4.KG9@dcs.ed.ac.uk> axjb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Anthony Bailey) writes:
>>- no matter how much stronger Dream is now having had his ruby destroyed
>>  and his energies rereleased, he was still no push-over at the beginning
>>  of the twentieth century. How come Burgess was able to entrap him with
>>  a fairly unspectacular summoning ceremony that didn't even have him as
>>  it's intended target? 

I think I've seen this mentioned this before, so excuse the repetition.
Dream was captured easily because of what he was doing before the summoning
ceremony began. What this is we don't know, but note he was wearing his helmet.
According to an interview, Gaiman wants to tell this story sometime after
he finishes up The Sandman series.

>My question is, when Burgess died a few years later, how come we
>didn't see Death? Hmm???

Do you want the easy answer? 'Cause she wasn't introduced until issue
#8. It could be that we only see Burgess's heart attack and not his actual
death. However, it could be that Neil hadn't figured out how he wanted to
deal with Death yet. 

(She also doesn't appear when Rachel, Rosemary, and all the people in the
diner die.) 

ObMansionNote: Since we mentioned Burgess, a quick word about the name 
Fawney Rig. (I don't think this made it into the annotations.) We know
Lady Johanna Constantine gave it that name after how she got it. Fawney
Rig is a con in which a gilded brass ring is sold for less than it is
supposedly worth (if it were gold) but for much more than it's actual 
value. The ring would be dropped and picked up before the mark, so it
was also referred to as fawney-bouncing. I imagine that Lady Johanna's
scheme was perhaps on a more complex scale and for more money.
From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:11:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

>>Darn...see, I was hoping for some neato-skeato answer...cause it seems
>>like an awfully big hole...I mean, if Death had to collect Burgess,
>>she would have seen Dream there, and who knows what would have
>>happened?
>
>Burgess had a heart attack in front of the globe, but didn't
>necessarily die there.  They catch him and then might have taken him
>upstairs, where he'd have finished croaking.

It was always my understanding that Burgess never dies, or perhaps will
ever die. He is sentenced to eternal waking, which can be he will keep
waking up forever with those nightmares or he will keep waking up lie
that until he eventually dies. Given Dream's nasty streak (remember
Nada) I would almost be inclined to believe that Burgress is going to be
aroun for a long time.

At any rate, he definately didn't die at the end, so Death would not
have been involved a that point. Also, she wouldn't interfer unless
Dream asked her too. Not likely.

-Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Stupid reasons to keep the Monarchy around in England.              >
> #5 - They are good for keeping the country from being overrun by    >
>      those ferious foxes and other small game animals.              >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:23:38 GMT

Anshu Prasad (stud1b53@bnr.ca) wrote:

:    ABSOLUTELY!!  Terry Austin can work wonders with almost anyone's pencils.

To which the Uncanny X-Men in the X-cruciating Song attest wholeheartedly,
not to mention Wonderbar Man #1 (no, I didn't get #2! :))

He's great with a *good* pencil artist like Art Adams!

Scott
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Transformers the toy, animated, and comic line
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:34:08 GMT
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In article <1gekngINNfv7@mozz.unh.edu> mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE) writes:
>I checked out Kay-Bee at the local mall to see if they had any of the new 
>TF stuff out, but I couldn't find any.  This must mean different parts of 
>the world are getting it at the same time.  Innnnnteresting.
>	--MikE...Shockwave would find that quite illogical, I'm sure.
>
Oops!  That should read "This must mean different parts of the world are get-
ting it at different times.".  Dum-de-dum...dum-de-dum-de-dum-dum...doo-de-doo..
..doo-de-doo-de-doo....
	--MikE...Ahhh, the perils of reading news at 1:30 in the morning...
 


-- 
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of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31
From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:21:34 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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hgarcia@sw.stratus.com (Henry Garcia) writes:

>As I recall from the old Starbrand book, the power could be transfered to another.
>For a time the 'doner' would be without the power, but eventually it would build
>up in them again.  Leaving 2 people with the full power of the Starbrand.

Something like that... Ken transferred the Brand to someone else (the old man/
alien, I believe), which left Ken with 10% of the Brand's power.  Still, 10%
of infinity is... infinity?  I don't think that this actually duplicated the
brand, though.  I think this is something new...

>	Henry Garcia

Bart -Laz- Smith
The 'Cat!

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From: april@athena.cs.uga.edu (April Gutierrez)
Subject: Gaiman's Library
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:10:13 GMT

Thanks for that tidbit, Tanaquai....
Gee, if Neil's library is anything like Lucien's (don't I wish), then there
should be a volume in there entitled "Sandman: The Early Years"....can't
help but wonder what the Endless were like in their younger (and perhaps
less cynical) days...although I can't really imagine (off the top of my
head) what any of them (save Del) would be like in a younger incarnation
(assuming they would want to look and/or act young at heart....)....this 
book would of course have a coherent comsology and creation story (of the
Endless - not necessarily the universe although I imagine the two are
intimiately intertwined)....

wishful thinking....


april

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Superman's death--reasons
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:13:49 GMT

In article <2280@hsdndev.UUCP> burns@thurifer.harvard.edu (John A. Burns) writes:
>
>   I had been thinking of Superman's death as an extremely
>cynical marketing ploy by DC.  But then I got to thinking,
>maybe they plan to use this event like Marvel used the death
>of Jean Grey to revive the X-Men, which led to the current
>X-books mania.  Perhaps DC is just suffering from Phoenix envy.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Admit it! You did this on purpose!


Jay (=
From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 38
Keywords: sandman annotation
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:46:22 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1gk1rlINN7fs@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.003528.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@physics.rice.edu writes:
>)                         Issue 38:  "The Hunt"
>)             Neil Gaiman, Duncan Eagleson, and Vince Locke
>)Page 5 panel 2:  Gaje':  From context, the Romany word for outsider.
>
>	Oddly similar to the Japanese "gaijin".

Sorry to be a nitpick, but I would qualify that statement with "but not to
Japanese speakers".  Or Chinese for that matter.  :)
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From: Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com
Subject: Re: Superman's fate according to Entertainment Tonight!
Organization: Motorola_Codex
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:01:17 GMT

In article <kf=odga00WBMQ1uS1N@andrew.cmu.edu> Anatole Wilson
<aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I just had to come in and find out what everybody thought of the report
>on Tuesday night's Entertainment Tonight.
>
>According to the report, there will be four--count'em, four--Superman
>clones running around Metropolis. (One for each title.) One of them will
>marry Lois Lane. 

Hey I know! How about we name them Superman-1, Superman-2, Superman-3, and
Superman-Prime....? 

Then we'll reduce them down with a "Crisis with Semi-Infinite Supermans"
mini-series...

The more things change, the more they stay the same..

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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Sphinges and Second Thoughts
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:39:46 EST

In article <lsmith.724314765@deci>
lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
 
>
>
>Some minor spoilers about Sandman #46
>
>
>
>Looking way back into issue #43, I'm curious about the sequence with Etain
>escaping the gas explosion. It seems that she does things before she even
>knows what is going on. While this might just be a cloudy memory of the
>sequence of events, another possibility is that someone got her out of there.
>We've seen how Delirium was able to enter the brain of Tiffany, perhaps
>another member of the family entered Etain long enough to get her out of the
>apartment.
>
 
   Couple of threads here just sparked something in my head.
   In _The Game of You_, Wanda and the homeless woman died in a freak
weatherstorm (if my memory serves me correctly.)
   Do you think they were the first along the whomever's hit parade/ death
march?
   And IMO the explanation for Barbie's trip into the dreamland was not
satisfactorily explained; it was due to Rose the vortex invading their
dreams somehow in the _Doll's House_, but HOW?
   and since the vortex problem was caused by Unity's sleep in _Preludes..._
and Desire's mechanizations (not only from _Preludes/Doll's House, but also
in _Three Septembers and a January_.... In conclusion, the macro-tale of
Sandman may be something much more than thematic (change in the personality
of Dream), but something with a definite progression as well.  (Bad phrasing;
let me rephrase:)  Each story does more than build up the psychological changes
in Dream; it builds up a "material (for a lack of better word)" conspiracy as
well. (3 Septembers: Desire gets pissed off at Dream -> Preludes / Dolls:
Desire vs. Dream's conflict intensifies, Vortex further disorganizes the Dream
realm -> _Game of You_: repercussions of dream realm's disorganization;
beginning of the elimination of key characters involved with Dream ->
_Brief Lives_: who knows?)
    This does not necessarily mean I endorse the idea of Desire being the
master manipulator.  This is strictly my (inflated) 3 cents worth'.
 
    Hmmm...  when I first started collecting comics, you could get 100 pages
for 50 cents, now, I get 22 pages for $1.25... Since some of those 100 pages
were ads, figure 80 pages of material...(in 1976)...that's 0.625 cents per
page; in 1992, we get 22 pages for 125 cents, that's 5.68 cents per page;
so the price of comic book per page has gone up by approximately 9.1 times;
so that means an opinion which was worth 1 cent in 1976 is now worth 9 cents!
 
   So let me correct the above.  This opinion was my 9 cents worth! :)
 
      Junsok Yang
From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bibbowski and Sooperman
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:47:08 GMT
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Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt (cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote:

: In the pre-Crisis adventures, Superman met a sailor who, due to eating
: irradiated seaweed, became super-strong for a while.  This sailor wore a
: captain's cap, had one squinty eye and a large chin, and had large forearms.
: He was, of course, a Popeye-analog, and his name was "Captain Strong".

: I think Bibbo is the post-Crisis "Captain Strong".

: (If they can bring back Giant Turtle Olsen, why not?)

That's exactly what I thought when I first saw him.  I'm still waiting
for him to discover Sauncha.

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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