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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:40:13 GMT

In article <9538@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu> shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
>>Shame on you, godless Chinese!
>...
>	Tell me why I need God to live or to be a human being. Did you
>ever feel like human being when you first time heard that there are
>people in this planet who believe in God? Confucious culture which
>largely influenced by Buddhism in history has been predominant in China
>for thausands of years though there has been no explicit God in the
>minds of Chinese people, and this made Chinese culture survive no worse
>than any other survived ones. So why do we all of a sudden need some God
>to be ourselves? 
>
>	Don't use God to scare people since we are mostly non religious.
>We have lived without God pretty good after all.

I miss the argument heres, I don't which God are we talking about.
From the attitude of "Shame on you, you Godless ..."  I bet the dude
is one of those born-again-Christians.  I have to say, these are the
most annoying bunch.  Arrrrgh!  Be religious all you want but stop 
trying to save the rest of the earth population from comdemning to hell.

no wonder wackos like Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swagget 
like the good old US of A.  I hope the Iseralies successfully decrypt the  
dead-sea scrolls now, and shred these God-fearing Jesus-loving
good Christians to pieces about the real face of Christianity.  
Then again, they will always have one more execuses, just like always --
"It's a fake, it's a conspricy, it's the JEWs." ... ...

The ex-Soviets are flocking to Churches and Mosques right now to 
escape the harsh reality of life, for once the Communists are
right:  "Religion is the opium for the mind."  

And, if there is really one GOD almighty, do you think he/she/it
really gives a shit a some tiny people on a tiny planet in a ordinary
solar system which is one of millions, sitting on the edge of
a medium-small size galaxy,  out of billions in his/her/its
domain?  Gosh!  The GOD must be a parallel computer concurrently running
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,...
"Judgement day" processes at a time.  ;->   

>-- 
>K. Zeng. @pittvms.bitnet    |  "Nothing is always right, even neither this
>or    @unix.cis.pitt.edu    |   saying."
>       @vms.cis.pitt.edu    |			--Anonymous
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ron@wc07.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: China's Economy at A glance
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:40:42 GMT

Nice posting, number of stuff deleted for relative shortness.


### "SHU" == mte152s  <mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> writes:

SHU% is not totally functional yet. The world economy will not help this very much
SHU% either, with the depressed export market and the Clinton's US threatening to
SHU% revoke China's MFN trading status.

	MFN status for China is in real danger I think.  Politics and
democracy is an excuse, the real reason is Chinese actual large export
surplus to USA.  If on the contrary, US has a large export surplus to
China, I'm pretty sure the humanlity will be considered as a minus
factor by the US goverment.


SHU% The data: Chinese economy is growing at a speed of 12% at the moment, inflation
SHU% is 5% nation wide but may be up to 10% in large cities. export growth at 20%
SHU% with a healthy surplus. Retail increases at 14% and foreign investment increase
SHU% 230% over last year.

	Which value is growing rate calculated on, US$, RMB?  Should
this rate consider the inflation rate?  For the jump in foreign
investment we have to consider the reluctance of foreign investors in
the previous year.  In which years did the foreign investment have the
highest hit?


SHU% In the Chinese bureucrcy and academia, most hold a optimistic view, with
SHU% certain elements cautioning against too much credit. This results in a slight
SHU% tightening of credit during the last half of the year.

	Back to the end of 1988, the goverment warned the people to
prepare harder living due to the reconfigaration of the current
economy.  The goverment may be too eager to build a better image to
people after 1989.  From the conrespondences to China, I find people
there enjoy a better life and higher hope.  It looks like the
goverment still keep some consciousness to hold the economy back.  Any
way, the government looks doing good after 1989.

My main concern is China does not have a good economic structure at
the present time yet.

I have a dream, that one day China ... (can't recite any more :-))

BTW, Could you kindly let us know your background on this aspect and
how you could have the above cited information?

--
This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yaom@phyast.la.asu.edu (Ming-Hui Yao)
Subject: Re: Help wanted: PS of cm9211z
Organization: National Center for HREM
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:10:00 GMT
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In article <!AC=vd=@engin.umich.edu>, hua@engin.umich.edu (CHONGYU HUA) writes...
> 
> 
>Can some one help me to get the PS version of
>cm9211z1 and cm9211z2 ?  Thank you.

The PS files for ZK09  are available in [cnd-cm.ps] directory at sdsc.edu by
anonymous ftp. There are also some other sites that archive HXWZ ps
files. For example, dale.scc.gov, and ahkcus.org.
From: xh@stereo.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM: a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:47:32 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: stereo.csl.uiuc.edu

wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi) writes:

>wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu writes:

>> Dear CND-CM editor:
>> 
>>     We were deeply disturbed by Liu Yujian's article in your special
>> HXWZ supplement. In that article, the author distorted the facts, misquoted
>> other people's words, stretched-out hearsay, and, more over, made up
>> a theory out of his own speculation.

>Where I can find Liu Yujian's article?  Please send me a copy.
>Thanks!

>wshi@cs.unt.edu

Hi, Shi Lao! How is life there?

Hu Lao
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: dirty words and Mao's poem
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:42:06 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw401


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Oh my God!  My SDI failed to stop this kind of attack!
But he must be forgiven. I remember Mao used this word, too,
and it was read on the national radio broadcast, and everyone
in China repeated it happily ;-)

Comment:

keng1 qiang1 you3 li4, zhi4 di4 you3 sheng1 (literally)
rao4 liang2 san1ri4(3 days), yu2 chou4 bu4 jue2.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:06:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.100924
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov6.232859.21510@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
>(deleted)
>I don't know whether it is his translation.

I think the first one is Silk+Strange.
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From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: What is the different? (not about beer & wine) 
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:50:39 GMT

In article <BxE8Kt.L2F@news.orst.edu> wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:
>>chicken, how about another topic: let's talk about Beer
>>or Wine.
>>
>>for me, i still like Qing-dao beer, what do you guys say? and
>>the big bottle Qing-Dao beer tastes better than the small bottle beer,
>>i think.
>>
>>"you can't live with women, pass me the beer nuts!" --- by Norm in "Cheers"
>
>Sorry, I can't make any related comment on your post, because
>I haven't drunk for a long time.  Not because I don't like
>drinking, but I am not legal to obtain liquors.  I am 19, and 
>I started drinking when I was 12 or even earlier.  My family
>doesn't encourage me to drink, but they wouldn't say anything
>if I drank a little at some special occasions.  However, that's
>in China.  Here it is illegal to get any kind of alcohol 
>contained beverage underage 21. I don't know this is a federal
>law or state law, anyway in Oregon you have to be 21 to drink.
>
>In China few people end up as alcoholics, eventhough no one
>tries to prevent such thing so badly; but in the US, though
>the media, and schools try to keep children away from drink, 
>there still are many become alcoholics.  
>Is this caused by cultural difference, biological difference,
>or economic difference?  Would there be more alcoholics in
>China, if all Chinese can get paid as much as Americans?  
>Is it true that when a person has nothing to worry about, he
>tends to make some stupid decisions, such as drinking?
>
>Welcome all kinds of opinion.
>
>Wen
>

You are welcome to come to Canada(at least Ontario) and get drunk *legally*!

In the US, there are all kinds of teenage popular icons, in TV and movies, who
drink a lot. But in China, we also have the saying that one usually
gets drunk when he is depressive(Jie4 Ju3 Jiao1 Chou2). The reason why
there are not as many young alcohol addicts in China might be due to 
availability, economically, that is. People could afford to get drunk as often
as they like when they have jobs and income, when they are already well into
the 20s or 30s. When young people get depressive, they usually go out and
watch the stars and hope to find a new one so it would be named after them,
or listen to some hard rock and pump up themselves(how's hard rock doing
in China these days?)

Try sneak into the bars for a few times and you'll get experience. I got
into one in Indianapolis once with my student card(without any birthdate
of course).

The underdog days for me are finally over, however.:-):-)

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Subject: Re: E-mail to China -- ignore previous post
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:07:51 GMT

From article <1dmnbeINN74f@champ.ksu.ksu.edu>, by wwxiong@champ.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong):
> 
> I heard that some company from the States used some donation money connected
> BeiJing to the Internet. But the acesse is limited to in Beijing 
> University and some unkown places. It will be in operation May next year.
> This imfo is not very relialbe. 
> I think you may want to ask internet managment about this.
> Thanks.
 
I know there have been email connections between some related dept/school 
_here at Cornell_ and the National Bureau of Statistics in Beijing since at 
least a year ago. But I am sure the resource is limited to few people there.  
So forget it at the moment!
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:20:54 GMT

In article <101252@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <BxH7A0.MK2@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>>(deleted)
>>From your poor translation, I can see that your English is 
>>horse horse tiger tiger. 
>
>Your English is shave shave - scream, be careful, XiaoFei:-) BTW, I have
>invited you to serve as English tutor on line, how about that?
>
>-- 

How about this, let's send our posts to XiaoFei and let him proofread them?

By the way, to all you guys who were university-educated in China,
did anyone work during the summer to save money for your education?

I never did. What a shame!

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:14:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.152801.504747@sue.cc.uregina.ca>  
yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan) writes:
> The following is From Mr. Y.  He is not willing to reveal his identity.
> 
> 						-- Yan, Yongfei
> 
> -------------------------------
> beginning of message from Mr. Y
> -------------------------------
> 
> Mr. Yan Yongfei said:
> 
> >Nobody dares to be on Lu's side. Aren't you afraid of being labeled as the
> >potential second Lu? But let's be brave enough to reveal the true cause
> >behind the tragedy.
> 
> Actually, Feng Wei called Mr. X  in Liu's report Lu Gang the 2nd.
> It's not difficult to see why there is nobody in the department
> who dares speaks a single good word for Lu Gang. Even Mr X had to
> say that he agreed on the content of the letter drafted by Feng Wei.
> 
>  Mr. Y
> 
> -------------------------------
> end of message from Mr. Y
> -------------------------------
> 
> It seems that Chinese students at IU are not encouraged to tell the
> truth. I suggest that we publish the letter from Feng Wei as well as
> this message from Mr. Y on CND-CM. I understand Feng Wei's and other
> Chinese students'  dilemma. It is already hard enough for them to study
> and live at IU, let's don't make it worse.
> 
> Hell, I feel I am living in 60's and 70's China!! Don't you?
> 
> Yongfei Yan

I think Lu Gang's incident as well as your articles give me such an impression:

We Chinese are always right. Whatever we do, we have an excuse. If we want to  
stay here and not go back, we cry that we are prosecuted by CG (which is true  
to some people). If we are not satisfied with our situation here, we cry that  
we are oppressed by the Americans. If we are not as good economically as  
Taiwanese, we balme them for being "snobs". If we see Japanese products in  
China, we accuse them of economic invasion and constantly remind them of the  
crimes the ancesters had committed.

What are we? Angels? 

To me, Lu Gang is just a crazy killer. No excuse, period! If he had not killed  
himself, he would deserve to sit in a gas chamber!

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30358 soc.culture.taiwan:15311 soc.culture.hongkong:14312
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: TuYa type of History Tests
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:33:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

Eddie wrote:
>	So the moral is to know when to stop/quit (and start a new one!)

Well, then here are some Tuya type history tests, from Geshu Han:

1) Which island is in the SE Asia where Dx. Qiu Zai Ke built his own kindom?

2) Which country is in the SE Asia where Mr. Huen Jiang Long became a king?

3) Which country is in the SE Asia where Dx. Yuan Cheng Zhi got his green
      card? 

4) Which island in the SE Asia where a United States of NanFang was built?
     When?  How was it sold to Netherland?

Please send your answer to Tuya.
--
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: What did you blood carders achieve so far?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:06:20 GMT

You accused Li Peng millions of times, but, as the matter of fact, Li's
position is more stable than Bush's.

You attacked me thousands of times, but, as the matter of fact, I did not 
ask for protection from third parties.

Have you blood carders got me convinced that your blood cards are not bloody?

Have you blood carders got Li Peng convinced that China cannot be progressed
until you go home?

Have you got the Chinese people convinced that you can better fight for China's
democracy in the US than in China?

After you have made so many personal attacks on the net, what did you get
except an opportunity to become refugee?  Why Zui3Xiong4?

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: d_fighters and motherland lovers
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:04:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.003434.1861@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl__@nwu.edu  writes:
>
>An analogy:
>-----------
>
>A D-fighter loves his wife. However, he can't get along with his wife well  
>because there is a third person messing around. He asks for divorce so that  
>both parties can still live on.
>
>A motherland lover also loves his wife. He love his wife so much that he  
>tortures her to death because he is afraid that there might be a third person  
>messing around. It's called deep love. Ordinary people won't understand it.
>
>Carl

In case you run out of label, here are some more:

A D-lover tries to get along with his wife well even when there is a
third person messing around.

A motherland-fighter loves the messing around third person. Even when the
person has not shown up yet he tries to invite one.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jamesou@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Green Woods (was Re: Translation of Jiang1 Hu2)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:28:17 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
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For the translation of Jiang1 Hu2, wwxiong@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu 
(Weize Wade Xiong) writes:

>"greenwoods" is one of them.
>"greenwoods outlaws" from Robinhood.

Out of curiosity, I looked up the Webster's dictionary. These
were the definitions for "greenwood":

     1: a wood or forest green with foliage
     2: woodwaxen
     3: mountain holly
     4: greenheart

All of them were referring to plants. What prompted me to find the
definitions of greenwood was that "Green Woods" (Luu4 Lin2) was
really a term invented by Chinese in Han4 dynasty. There was a
place called "Luu4 Lin2" where bandits (rebels) gathered. For that 
reason, "Luu4 Lin2" has been used as a term to describe underground 
bandit/swordsman organizations.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: Passport to Crime -- news report from Canada
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:34:39 GMT

Sherry forwarded a good article to this group at good time. 
Da4Li4Biao3Yang2.

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From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:32:32 GMT

In article <PWU.92Nov11194107@espresso.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>>>50K-1=50K
>> Therefor, 50K-50K =/= 0 ?
>If you remove one grain of sand from a pile of sand, you still have a pile of
>sand left.  If you remove the entire pile of sand, you have nothing left.

Let's label the term "50K".

50K_0 - 1 = 50K_1
50K_1 - 1 = 50K_2
...
50K_(n-1) - 1 = 50K_n

So 50K_n < 50K_0. Any question?
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:04:29
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1992Nov08.164832.263797@sue.cc.uregina.ca>
	<1992Nov8.161301.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>
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In-reply-to: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu's message of Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:13:01 GMT

    From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
      * * *
    ...                                 But this doesn't mean Mr. Liu's artilce
    tell the truth or justified.  As pointed out in our letter, Mr Liu's article 
    distorted the fact, misquoted our words (even bricated some) and made up the 
    details of the stories to justify his own speculation.   That's what we can not
    accepted.   Please note all chinese students in our department, including Lu 
    Gang  personal friend,  agree on that.   Is this clear eonough?
    
    We understand the publication of such extremely biased article will mislead a 
    lot of people in the chinese community about truth of this tragedy. ...

I think it is fair to say that CND violated a basic rule of journalism (I am
not talking about supermarket tabloid journalism) on the lu gang article: do
not use unconfirmed information unless it is so labeled.  And there is no
reason not to confirm in this case.  Wish them do better next time.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:14:59 EST
From: <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    Alumnni of Chengdu College of Geology (4th notice)

Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 19:21:50 EST
From: <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    Alumni of Chengdu College of Geology

Hi, alumni of Chengdu College of Geology staying in the States:

An effort is being made to work out an alumni directory for the people who ever
studied or worked in Chengdu College of Geology (Chengdu Di-Yuan) and are stayi
ng in this country. If you want to be in the directory (absolutely free), or if
 you know somebody else wants, send a breif message about your name, class, curr
ent address, phone number and major to wxg101@psuvm.psu.edu. So far I know at
least seven of our alumni here and of course hope to have additional twenty or
more. Once the dirctory is, if possible, completed, I will send the directory t
o all the alumni.
      The idea cameout when I met with some Di-Yuan alumni at GSA last week at
Cincinnati.Hopefully, such a directory will help you
      - find the person(s) you missed
      - talk to each other
      - get help from or provide help to your colleagues
      - seek possibilities for co-operative research
      - ...

      Thank you.         wxg101 at psuvm.psu.edu

  P.S. Please indentify your last name as Weixing GUO or Guo, Weixing. Also Ple
ase identify your phone number by (h) or (o). Thank you.
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