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From: melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Never type when you
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:35:42 PST
Reply-To: melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

have had more than a few glasses of brewski.
 
Thank you and good night.


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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: grove@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Paddy Grove)
Subject: Re: The Damned
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Transmission Product Development,
	Cambridge, UK
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:52:54 GMT


>>>>> On 28 Dec 92 20:16:49 GMT, bbs.doktor@tsoft.net (Katie Nutt) said:

Katie> Does anyone know wot The Damned are up to lately?


Katie> Internet: bbs.doktor@tsoft.sf-bay.org   "The birds of leaving call to us
Katie> UUCP: ...apple!tsoft!bbs.doktor          Yet here we stand
Katie>                                          Endowed with the fear of flight"
Katie>                                          --Dead Can Dance

No I don't! But about three years ago now, I was listening to a programme
that used to be on Radio 1 (UK national radio station) called "Singled Out"
where they used to play newly-released singles and tracks off newly released
albums. Anyway, on this particular show they played a track from 'the new
album by The Damned' which the host (Mike Read) said featured the original
lineup (i.e. including Captain Sensible), and that it was due for release
that March (I think this must have been 1990). Since then, I've heard
nothing. 

    Does anyone out there know anything about this? Is there an unreleased
Damned album sitting in some record company's vaults? I have to say that on
the strength of "Anything" it's probably not that exciting, but we could have
another "Machine Gun Etiquette" out there....

    Paddy
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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mbl@media.mit.edu (Marc LoCascio)
Subject: Re: Buried Dreams
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:35:10 GMT

In article <8RZawB5w165w@cyberden.sf.ca.us>, melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us
 writes:
> I am having difficulty finding an entire album (tape) devoted to
> Tibetan monk chants; I have found collections with one or two tracks.

the best (i.e. most famous) group of chanting Tibetan monks is the choir
from the Gyuto monastary.  they have a CD out on Rykodisc's world music
label that was produced by Mickey Hart of the Dead (but don't hold that
against the monks ;-).  it's probably the best recording that i know of.

there are also several Tibetan ceremonies on CD in Nonesuch records
"Explorer" world music series.  these are older recordings and not quite
as good.  any of these should be available in the "Tibet" section of any
record store with a decent world music section.

Marc LoCascio		(mbl@media-lab.media.mit.edu)
From: dragon@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (the Dragon)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Nephilim
Date: 22 Dec 92 06:54:22 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

hedley@welclu.enet.dec.com (the Rubber Chicken Crew!!) enthuses:
>
>I finally got 'round to buying a Nephilim album recently, "Elizium";
>BRILLIANT!!  What other Neph albums do people recommend?  I hear that

Dawnrazor was the one that got me first into them, and is their most raw in
sheer energy and silk brutality.  The Nephilm is the name of their second
LP, and the one which escaped Gina's memory; in this one they gained a bit
more refinement and learned to take advantage of the studios, travelling
away from the spaghetti western image of Dawnrazor and delving into the
mysteries of the supernatural which also showed in Elizium.  The Nephilim
is still much more of a guitar album, though, than Elizium became.

I find it hard to choose only specific ones to recommend since I AM a
hardcore, but look for The Nephilm next, then perhaps venture into
Dawnrazor--since they're both domestic in the US, you at least won't have
put out as much if you don't like them.  THEN you can hunt down their
really early stuff, like I'm doing...

>the singer (McCoy?) has gone solo... has anyone heard his new stuff
>yet?  What do you think?
>

Not yet, though I've got Crazed by the remainder of the band (now called
Rubicon).  It's fairly clear that the brutality was Carl's influence, while
the rest of the band was pushing more for the sounds you heard in Elizium,
since Crazed pretty much follows suit.  The new singer had rather large shoes
to fill in Carl's place, and...well, at least he's unobtrusive.  If I was
forced to make a comparison, I'd say he sounded a bit like Danzig but
without so much the Morrison twang.

--the Dragon
More frothings from a maddened fan...
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: goth zine
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: alt.gothic
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:37:28 GMT

           I publish and edit an e-mail Goth 'zine called Prayers to a Broken
Stone (formerly Ego Project). The main focus is the Sisters of Mercy, but all
things in the grey area that is goth and beyond are covered. It is published 
bi-monthly, on or around the first Friday of the month. The latest issue
shipped on Nov. 10th. Back issue are available by mailing me.
    We encourage all our readers to contribute anything they think might be
appropriate for the 'zine. Just e-mail me to get my writing guidelines, they
aren't much, but I do expect people to stay within them as best they can. I
firmly believe that the readership's opinions are just as valid as mine, I
simply get to edit their's for spelling and grammar and am the most vocal. :->
    To subscribe mail ieya@byron.u.washington.edu. If you signed up in the 
past and never got anything, chances are my host didn't like your host and I
couldn't get through to you and deleted your name. So try again with an
alternate address if you've got one.

Back issues:

1: Andrew Eldritch interview, Current 93 interview, gig reviews-the Sisters
    of Mercy, Alien Sex Fiend, music reviews-Sisters, the Wake, Ministry, 
    etc...

2: Andrew Eldritch interview, gig reviews-Sisters, Common Language/66 Saints,
    Music reviews-Christian Death, James Rays's Gangwar, the Mission, Siglo
    XX, Sisters of Mercy, the Virgin Prunes and the Gothic Rock comp, Comic
    review-Morbius the Living Vampire, etc...

3: Interviews-Andrew Eldritch, Strange Boutique, Infamous Menagerie, Book
    review-Storm Constantine, Comic review-Bram Stoker's Dracula, Music
    reviews-Buzzfish, Faith and Disease, Shadow Project, Strange Boutique,
    Swans. etc...
-- 
corey w nelson		|  EGO PROJECT NUMBER II: a goth/som zine
keeper of the Sisters	|  mail me to sign up for the electronic  
of Mercy FAQ, DISCOG	|  version. issue 2 out Oct 5. featuring interview
and several others...	|  with Andrew Eldritch, lotsa goth reviews and more!
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: schmitz@spot.Colorado.EDU (Dave Schmitz)
Subject: Re: dead can dance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:09:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.230540.15723@reed.edu> jjeffers@lust.reed.edu (Jemiah Levon Jefferson) writes:
>Can anybody send me anything like a Dead Can dance discography?  I need to  
>know all the songs so I can get them all; I've just gotten into them  
>recently.  Forgive me if they aren't considered goth... sometimes I can't  
>really tell, they are a bit into 16th century spanish dance songs...
>BTW, I like _The Sky's Gone Out_.  I couldn't stand Bauhaus at first,  
>either; now I wonder how I lived without them.
>
>The blood is the life,
>eeyore (jjeffers@reed.edu)

   Here's what I've found.... (on CD)
         Dead Can Dance (1st album + the EP Garden of the Arcane Delights)
         Within the Realm of a Dying Sun
         Spleen & Ideal
         Serpents Egg
         Aion
         A Passage in Time (Compliation + 2 new songs)

    I bought all of these, except APIT, as imports ($23.00).  I've heard 
the one of the singers (Perry) is to have a solo album soon but I don't
know exactly when....  Anybody????


   -Dave
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Nephilim
Date: 21 Dec 1992 09:46:43 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

hedley@welclu.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>I finally got 'round to buying a Nephilim album recently, "Elizium";
>BRILLIANT!!  What other Neph albums do people recommend?  I hear that
>the singer (McCoy?) has gone solo... has anyone heard his new stuff
>yet?  What do you think?
>Cheers,
>
>Chris.

Elizium is a great album.  A bit more of an epic than their
previous LPs.  Their first LP, Dawnrazor is okay, but tend to rehash
the same guitar riffs. (Their first tour was sort of boring for this
same reason.)  The Neph's second LP (the name currently eludes me)
is much improved over the first.

-Gina
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Nephilim
From: beth@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Beth Winegarner)
Date: 25 Dec 92 13:24:23 PST
Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA

>I finally got 'round to buying a Nephilim album recently, "Elizium";
>BRILLIANT!!  What other Neph albums do people recommend?  I hear that
>the singer (McCoy?) has gone solo... has anyone heard his new stuff
>yet?  What do you think?
>Cheers,
>
>Chris.

Hello Chris!  I love the Nephilim--though my tastes stray from genre to
genre, the Nephilim are one of my favoritse bands, ever.  My intro to them
was through an album called _The Nephilim_.  I prefer it to both _Elizium_
and their debut release, _Dawnrazor_.  To me, Elizium is a bit overproduced;
McCoy's voice lost a lot of the graininess and power.  For me, one of the
best things about the Neph is the dichotomy between the gruffness of McCoy's
voice and the breathtaking delicacy of the music.  I loved Elizium, don't
get me wrong.  Anyways, I reccommend all three HIGHLY... It's worth the
money to get them all.  Not to mention reading their sourcebooks--The
Necronomicon and anything by A. Crowley.

This reminds me, I owe McCoy a letter... where did you hear he did some solo
stuff?  I'd love to hear it!

beth@nermal.santarosa.edu
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: dead can dance
Date: 22 Dec 1992 06:48:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


jjeffers@lust.reed.edu (Jemiah Levon Jefferson) writes:
>Can anybody send me anything like a Dead Can dance discography?  I need to  
>know all the songs so I can get them all; I've just gotten into them  
>recently.  Forgive me if they aren't considered goth... sometimes I can't  
>really tell, they are a bit into 16th century spanish dance songs...
	Dead Can Dance
	In The Realm of a Dying Sun
	Spleen and Ideal
	Serpents Egg
	Aion
	and lame comp album.

	Also see: Lonely Is An Eyesore (4AD comp)
	This Mortal Coil - It'll End In Tears

	At 25 each I have a hard time justifying purchase of all.  But all
	are excellent.  I like Aion least, but enjoy it.

-- 
The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn              | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU       |
Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head?    |                             |
DoD#0667  "Just a friend of the beast."      | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU      |
2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET        |
From: hedley@welclu.enet.dec.com (Lock up your wildebeest, it's the Rubber Chicken Crew!!)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Nephilim
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:53:04 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I finally got 'round to buying a Nephilim album recently, "Elizium";
BRILLIANT!!  What other Neph albums do people recommend?  I hear that
the singer (McCoy?) has gone solo... has anyone heard his new stuff
yet?  What do you think?
Cheers,

Chris.
From: melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Buried Dreams
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 12:22:30 PST
Reply-To: melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

This album by Clock DVA is a fine album to conduct any form of ceremonial 
or ritualistic magick.  So long as it's played as a background 
enhancement and not blasted about like one was listening to Metallica or 
AC/DC or something.  Also, although some out there may scream "Ahh 
Christianity!"  I find that Gregorian Monk chants can be extremely 
evocative (or invocative, depending on one's focus).  Most Medieval 
instrumentals (if you can find them) and Tibetan monk chants are equally 
eerie.  I am having difficulty finding an entire album (tape) devoted to 
Tibetan monk cants; I have found collections with one or two tracks.  
Anyone with ANY information on Tibetan monk chants should e-mail me 
forthwith so that I can trot right out and buy them!  I will send a 
cornucopia of gratitude your way! 
 
                                   Melantha the Muser,
 
                                   Embracing the dark as usual.

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From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Buried Dreams
Date: 28 Dec 1992 12:16:30 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <8RZawB5w165w@cyberden.sf.ca.us>,
melantha@cyberden.sf.ca.us writes:
>This album by Clock DVA is a fine album to conduct any form of ceremonial
>or ritualistic magick.  So long as it's played as a background
>enhancement and not blasted about like one was listening to Metallica or
>AC/DC or something.  Also, although some out there may scream "Ahh
>Christianity!"  I find that Gregorian Monk chants can be extremely
>evocative (or invocative, depending on one's focus).  Most Medieval
>instrumentals (if you can find them) and Tibetan monk chants are equally
>eerie.  I am having difficulty finding an entire album (tape) devoted to
>Tibetan monk cants; I have found collections with one or two tracks.
>Anyone with ANY information on Tibetan monk chants should e-mail me
>forthwith so that I can trot right out and buy them!  I will send a
>cornucopia of gratitude your way!
>
>                                   Melantha the Muser,
>
>                                   Embracing the dark as usual.
>

There is a group called the Tibetian Tantric Choir which I have
heard and really like.  Tibetian chants with wonderful pounding,
rhythmic drumming.  This may have been the band Bob Wier from the
Grateful Dead was pushing a while ago (no flames, I'm definitely NOT
plugging the Dead).  As this came out about three years ago, I don't
remember which label it's on, but good luck finding it.

-Gina
From: chris@inconel.uucp (Christian)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Phrump
Date: 24 Dec 92 06:03:53 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Dec20.073012.23631@Virginia.EDU> mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:
>chris@castlab.uucp  writes:
>> 
>> I highly recommend The Cure _Pornography_, which is so depressing that the band
>> won't perform it durring their concerts... 
>> 
>
>The Cure refusing to perform something because it's
>depressing???   Weird....

Yeah, as I understand it, Mr. Smith was having major maor problems and he went
off and wrote that album instead of killing himself and everyone in 1 mile 
radius. Thus, they never play songs from that album while on tour.

I'm listening to right now... it fits my mood.

-Chris
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Bauhaus.
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:28:36 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

I can understand someone having heard the Sky's Gone Out 
being a bit lost as to why people love this band. 
Three years ago when all I listened to was the Smiths, Pixies
and Joy Division I was given a Bauhaus tape.

One lunch time during school I put on the tape to hear Dark Entries.

And here I am now a smitten Goth. All I can say is is that Bauhaus 
are a very powerful band and the epitome of what GOTH is all about :-)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"Love is the wisdom of the fool, Love is blind and love is cruel.."--Valor
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.privacy
From: davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner)
Subject: Re: Censors--must be the new year
Originator: davew@willow03
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:46:01 CST


In article <C02D68.LF@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes:
> 
> 	Well, there's always the answer of identifying a "boycotter", and
> responding in kind to HIS employer and accounts.  I think the idea has a
> certain irony/poetry about it.
> 
Oh, I see.  It's ok for you to take that action in response to something
you don't like, but not ok for another person.  
-- 
Dave Wagner                               "Tongue-tied and twisted,
davew@cray.com , uunet!cray!davew          just an earth-bound misfit, I"
(612) 683-5393                                  -- Pink Floyd
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,alt.privacy,alt.sex
From: dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu (David O. Laro)
Subject: Re: To boycott is not to censor
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:43:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.172113.13999@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:

<clip, clip, a lot of stuff is gone>

>See my statement (1), above... if it's your newspaper or magazine,
>your editorial decisions as to what goes into or stays out of it are
>not censorship because all you're doing is refraining from providing
>someone else with a soapbox.  You _aren't_ preventing someone else
>from printing whatever he wants in _his_ newspaper or magazine.

What?  Let him print what ever he wants in *his* newspaper or magazine?
Hey, if only _you_  have a newspaper or magazine, you have denied access.
Sounds a lot like "let them eat cake!" to me.  Indeed, I guess everybody
has a magazine or newspaper at his disposal.

And how do you see it when the National Endowment for the Arts (or the NEH)
refuses to fund those arts which appear pornographic and objectionable to
most of us taxpayers?  There were so many people who called it censorship!

But you didn't, I suppose?  You just said, let them publish their "art" in
their own magazines/display it in their own galleries/support themselves
with their own fortunes.  That would be consistent with your statement above.

Mr Starr, I begin to believe that you have been jaded or spoiled by all the
freedoms you enjoy in this arena, don't realize what goes on elsewhere.  Have
you ever been  a subscriber to Prodigy?  Now *there's* some censorship.  I
say that because every opinion is screened before making the public board.
Many are denied access..I call that censorship.  Libraries, public or private,
schools, colleges, whatever, often keep certain books off their shelves.
When it is done because they don't want that book available (not $$shortage)
I call that censorship, too.

Seems there is more than one definition, huh?

>-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

 ==David


Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: mortal@netcom.com (Sam Lowry)
Subject: Re: Censorship History
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:49:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.055408.15883@lunatix.uucp> chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:
>Can anyone answer a question for me?  What is the history of censorship?  
>Especially by theological groups/persons.  And especially as compared to 
>today's censorship.  Is it becoming more popular?
>

	Chad,

	  One book to check out is _Bookbanning in America_, by William
	Noble. Basically it is a very general overview of bookbanning in
	the US. Not much on detail or complexity, but it does tell about
	the general reasons behind bookbanning efforts.

	Mortal
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,news.admin.policy
From: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP (Austin Phelps)
Subject: Re: [news.admin.policy]  Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ - everything 
Reply-To: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:11:20 GMT

kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

> >their service interrupted because of the actions of anatolia.mn.org, so

What is this site doing? (just wondering)

Austin C. Phelps            pick a address: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP
-> Tf3 <- elsewhere                         aphelps@vicstoy.oau.org
"Let history never forget the name          tf3@delphi.com
Apple II Forever! Alliance C373   Enterprise   AAWO 3303
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: fsmaw@acad3.alaska.edu (WALKER MARY A)
Subject: culture
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:34:00 GMT

my 2 cents worth is this...the person who claimed that there
is no such thing as european culture or african culture does have 
a point....europe is a continent, and people from different areas
approach things from dofferent people, and the same holds true for
africa....in response to the person who argued that following
that logic, there isn't french or german or whatever culture does have
a point, but the french, as a group might be said to have more
in common with each other than would say a french man and a german....
if nothing else, language ties the smaller divisions together.

also, i don't see what is wrong with maintaing one's heritage, the past
makes us who we are....there are people who do take maintaining the group
identity too far, but there is no reason why African-Americans can't remember
their past and incorporate it into the future, any more than it would be
wrong for me to value my heritage......... 
Xref: sparky alt.censorship:9743 alt.conspiracy:13445
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: PORTLAND: American Front (Hate group) transcript
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:41:17 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:

>I've many times told people both how to use kill files, general, and how
>to kill b-cpu posts, in particular.  Can you please explain what's
>wrong with this?

Nothing wrong with the former, but I _do_ think there's something wrong
with the latter, unless an individual has specifically asked you for this
information.


>Please explain how teaching someone how to kill b-cpu posts is censorship.

Because you are targeting, in an organized fashion, one particular party in
pursuit of your own special agenda ... and this can be used as justification
for others to do the same for _their_ reasons, in the future.

Believe me, enough people have been disgusted by B-CPU to _want_ to learn how
to use killfiles, as repugnant as the concept is to many. It seems to me that
y'all don't know how to wait and let the consensus _form_, you have to try to
_force_ a consensus ... and that hurts everyone in the long run.


>Your statements just don't make any sense.

Wait a few years. Maybe you'll see my point.


-- richard

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