From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Faith vs. Reason
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	<fRUMSSQ@quack.sac.ca.us> <1992Aug30.093825.859@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:28:19 GMT

In article <fRUMSSQ@quack.sac.ca.us> 
pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>And how can one open one's spiritual eyes, [BTW: the concept of spiritual
>>eye is Hindu, not Christian], if one is following faith blindly? Blind
>>faith is not seeing period, as to which eyes are doing the not seeing,
>>that is a different question. Of course blind faith is very certain,
>>after all it is blind. When one is being led blindly down a path, one
>>knows for certain that one has blind faith in the leader and one know's
>>for certain that one's fate is out of the hands of the one and in the
>>hands of the leader. Blind faith in the leader, that is what blind faith
>>is. It is the certainty of knowing that one is being led by the leader
>>and not one's own actions. This is also called denial of individual
>>responsability. The Lord delivered you and your kind FROM slavery, now
>>follow the command and walk the freedom walk and talk the freedom talk.
>>Blind faith is a return to the institution of slavery, against the
>>wishes and action of the Lord. Blind faith is the tool of the Christian
>>Devil. It is he who is the slave master for those who wish to disbelieve
>>that the Lord delivered us FROM slavery, it is he who is the leader of
>>those who aspire towards blind faith. And the fate of the blind faith
>>believers is certain.

In article <1992Aug30.093825.859@en.ecn.purdue.edu> 
muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen) writes:
>You just shot yourself in the foot big time.  You see, we have been delivered
>from slavery to the world, but guess what?  In its place is "slavery" to God.
>Who better to lead a blind person down a path than his creator?  This is not
>avoiding responsibility - I must still put one foot in front of the other.
>The only difference is that God is telling me where to put it, which is much
>more trustworthy than me telling me where to put it.  BTW, the whole concept
>of being a "slave" to God is VERY Biblical...  I _do_ have freedom in this
>slavery, but by the following definition:
>   Freedom is the ability to do what you know is right, not whatever you
>   want.

I find this unbelievable. I assume you are of European descent. I have
never understood this longing on the part of Europeans for the good old
days of slavery. The desire for an all knowing and just slave master to
conduct your life of slavery for you. This is so sad and a waste of a
creation and an insult to the creator. You have been freed, any shackles
are of your own design, any slave master will mislead you to the way of
darkness. Wake up while you still have a chance! YOU ARE FREE, now walk
that freedom walk and talk that freedom talk. It is not easy and you
will have to take responsibility for your actions and you will not have
a slave master to blame, but it is as the creator intended. You have
been delivered FROM slavery, why do you cling to the shackles? Why do
you aspire to a slave master even when you know that any slave master
will mislead you into the darkness? In these days of freedom, there are
still slave masters available for those who miss the days of slavery,
but they are all of darkness. You were freed by the way of light, go
towards that light, not back towards the darkness of slavery. Do not
insult He who freed you by returning to slavery against His action. I
have no doubt that someone is telling you to walk blindly, but it is the
fool who does not question who this leader of the blind slaves is. You
know who freed you, it should not be difficult to figure out who would
mislead you back into slavery.
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