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From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      info on Veronica

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Date: 31 Dec 1992 11:17:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Gilpin Brown <BROWN%URVAX.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

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We have an 'archie' client running, but I do not know how
to get info on Veronica.  Is there some on the net that I can get to?

Thanks,

Gilpin Brown
University of Richmond
brown@urvax.bitnet
brown@urvax.urich.edu
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:50:00 CST
From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Holiday Schedule

Folks,

I'll be mostly unavailable from December 24 to January 2.  I'll
to get access to telnet in order to check my e-mail periodically,
but it will probably be pretty spotty.  So don't expect quick
responses to any NETTRAIN postings during that time, because I
won't be able to check in an approve the postings every day.

Until the new year, Happy Holidays, everyone!

Jim
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:22:00 CST
From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Unix/Internet Texts

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 10:51:15 -0700
From: bmorgan@silver.sdsmt.edu (Bradford A. Morgan)




Spring semester isn't far away, and I'm still looking from an inexpensive (under
$15.00) text which lays out Unix basics in clear, user-friendly prose.  I've
 seen
Douglas Topham's "The First Book of Unix" (1991) listed in the LCIS catalog, but
several major libraries I've telnetted to don't include this book in their
collections, so I can't identify the publisher.  It would sure be nice to find
a cheap book for my technical writing sections that would allow students to get
functioning right away with using mail, changing directories, and the like.

I'm looking for a cheap Unix primer because my technical writing courses are
based on using the Internet, and I've found that Tracey LaQuey's _Internet
Companion_ is an inexpensive way to introduce students to Internet resources,
but it contains only minimal exposure to Unix itself.  A combined Internet and
Unix book would be ideal, but I've only seen Ed Krol's _Whole Internet Guide_
which seems to bury the Unix instruction, for my purposes, under layers of
qualifying detail, well into the body of the book itself.  Because of my course
focus on writing and information research in the networked environment, the
credibility of the course on my campus can't involve too indirect a grounding
in "necessary background material" before the hands-on stuff is presented.  If
possible, I'd like to keep the student expense under $30.00 for one or two
books.  Any suggestions would be appreciated...and acted on immediately.

Bradford A. Morgan
South Dakota School of Mines and Technology
bmorgan@silver.sdsmt.edu
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:08:00 CST
From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: INTERNET Workshop for librarians

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 09:00:26 EST
From: oliver@dhvx20.csudh.edu

Bill's very helpful summary of activities during the New
York workshop reminds me that there are at least two on-line
Internet workshops in progress:  NETTRAIN and HELP-NET.
It seems to me that there was an announcement a couple of
months ago of an on-line workshop (fee for service, as I
recall) headed up by one of our subscribers.

I no longer subscribe to HELP-NET, as the traffic became
too great for me.  Can any of our subscribers bring us
up to date on his/her perception of the usefulness of
HELP-NET as an online Internet/BITNET workshop and
perhaps some information on the other one that was
announced.

Before I end, let me say simply that when I give a workshop
in one of our "connected" classrooms, the group of
participants represents a captive audience for 3-4 hours.
I give them lots of handouts and we go through the material
at a constant rate.  For the ones who are just getting started,
such an experience is frustrating -- they just barely grasp
the ideas associated with one topic before moving on to the
next.  Being able to move at one's own rate of comprehension
on NETTRAIN or HELP-NET seems to me to be a great advantage.
The disadvantage of something like NETTRAIN and HELP-NET
seems to me to get a novice hooked up in the beginning.
I'd be interested to read your thoughts on this.

Oliver
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:24:00 CST
From:         "Jim Milles, SLU Law Library" <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: need advice

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Date: 21 Dec 1992 10:48:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Gerland - Network Consultant
 <GERLAND%UBVMS.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

> My experience is that many beginning users need exact examples to use
> to get started, otherwise they get frustrated and quit.  I would like
> to put in a few examples for Vax systems, equivalent to the Tell for Vm.
> What works?

From VAX/VMS sites running the Jnet software, SEND works the same as TELL.

SEND LISTSERV@UBVM "Help"

I don't recommend the "interactive message" approach for 2 reasons:
(1) many sitees are dropping their BITNET membership and the number of
    mail-only sites (most Internet sites, many VAX/VMS sites, some VM/CMS
    sites, and most UNIX sites) is very large.
(2) Interactive messages work fine if the connection between sender and
    LISTSERV node is up but if that connection is not there then the
    sender needs to remember to re-send their command at some later time.
    With mail, the message gets queued and eventually delivered.

> Whys would you remove the Tell commands.  I assume you mean to replace
> them with mail messages, or do you?

Yes, I do.  For example:

To get more information about using LISTSERV send e-mail to
LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET or listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu and in the body of
the mail message, (LISTSERV ignores the Subject: line), include the
following line:

help

> Thanks for the advice about Netserve.  I had just begun to explore it.

You're welcome.
Jim...
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 10:46:00 CST
From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      New World Factbook

Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 07:01:05 CST
From: "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>

world192.zip and .txt are being posted to mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
cd etext/etext93

Contains the elusive Appendix E (Standard and non-standard names
of the various countries included in the almanac.


Happy New Year!

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:47:00 CST
From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: prodigy

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:45:39 -0500
From: Elizabeth Schwartz <betsys@ra.cs.umb.edu>

Rumor has it that Prodicy will be connected in a few months.



What's so funny 'bout peace, love, and understanding? -- Elvis Costello
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:47:00 CST
From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: prodigy

Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 10:43:30 MST
From: Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

On Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:22:00 CST Jim Milles said:
>
>Does anyone know how to send mail to a Prodigy user.  I have the Prodigy
>username, but do not know the syntax or the machine to send to.
>
   I'm sending this to the list, as the question is commonly asked of
trainers.  Prodigy is NOT connected to the Internet.  It is NOT likely
that it will be in the foreseeable future, as the Prodigy (Sears Roebuck)
folks have been very careful to keep their net clean and pure, and do
exercise censorship or cancellation on those who do not follow their
rules.  The above is NOT a flame or criticism, but something that prospective
Prodigy subscribers should be aware of.  For some it is good, some bad,
depending on your point of view.

dan

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* Dan Lester                          Bitnet:   alileste@idbsu              *
* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
* Boise, Idaho  83725                 BSU and I have a deal: I don't speak  *
* 208-385-1234                        for them and they don't speak for me. *
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Subject: Re: Usenet Gateway Now Operational
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:14:28 GMT

What do we discuss in NETTRAIN? Thanks.

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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:52:00 CST
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Subject:      Usenet Gateway Now Operational

The Subject: line says it.  Merry Christmas to our
Usenet colleagues!

Jim
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:59:00 CST
From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      subscription to nis

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 17:27:57 +0100
From: Kaminski <U202901%BLIULG11.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

(Please send your reply directly to the sender, NOT to NETTRAIN@UBVM).

A time ago, Susan Calcari , with the address cerf.net, made know the list nis.
When I tried to subscribe to this list, the reply was that the location
"cerf.net" is not defined. I tried to write to Susan Calcari, about this,
and I learned that "user is unknown"!.
Thank you in advance for helping me to elucidate this problem.
Merry Christmas and happy Chanukka for all netters of the list.
Charles Kaminski                 U202901@BLIULG11.BITNET
U.D. Botanique
Universite de Liege,
Sart Tilman, B4000 Liege,
Belgique.
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Subject:      prodigy

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From: Gilpin Brown <BROWN%URVAX.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
Subject: prodigy

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Does anyone know how to send mail to a Prodigy user.  I have the Prodigy
username, but do not know the syntax or the machine to send to.


Gilpin Brown
university of Richmond
brown#@urvax.urich.edu
brown@urvax.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:59:00 CST
From:         Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: electron lunch

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 11:25:23 +0400
From: gls@unb.ca (Greg Sprague)

 Here at UNB we have tried something slighly different and it has worked
very well and has become one of our most popular offerings. We call it
"Tuesday at 3:00" and every Tuesday we (Computing Services) provide
coffee/juice/donuts and a speaker. The refreshments are available at 2:45,
the speaker talks from 3:00 to 3:15, people can then get up and leave or
stay as long as they like for discussion. We do this every Tuesday, no
exceptions. The talks are usually informal. Heckling is allowed. Sometimes
it is just one of our staff members descibing a new project. It is also
a good forum for staff members to report on conferences they have attended.
Everyone on campus is welcome.

 Recent Tuesday at 3:00 topics include:
    - bibliographic database packages
    - Macintosh internet mailers
    - Quality management
    - A new library acquisitions system
    - Why voice mail?
    - scheduling meetings with WP Office
    - IP tunneling
    - Why I like UNIX
    - EDUCOM '92

<NETTRAIN%UBVM.BITNET@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca> writes:

>------------------------- Original message follows -------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:50 EST
>From: LS973%ALBNYVMS.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu
>
>Greetings NETTRAIN,
>        We have just begun a "peer tutor" approach to training in the
>form of a lunch meeting.  It began because a colleague and I were
>having lunch and were longing for a more relaxed atmosphere to share
>our network experiences and tricks and problems/questions.
 UNB ========================================================== UNB
  Greg Sprague, Manager User Services     e-mail: gls@unb.ca
  University of New Brunswick             voice: (506) 453-4571
  Computing Services, PO Box 4400         fax: (506) 453-3590
  Fredericton NB, Canada, E3B 5A3         office: HD52 (Head Hall)
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:56:15 -0400
From:         "Barry L. Newton" <NEWTON@NBSENH.BITNET>
Subject:      Data Naming Document

The following message from is forwarded to DASIG from Judith Newton
(who can't do BITNET very easily).



                      (Begin forwarded message)
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From:   IN%"NEWTON@ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV" 18-DEC-1992 16:59:49.14
To:     IN%"newton@ENH.NIST.GOV"


  Date:    Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:33:45 -0500 (EST)
  From:    NEWTON@ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV
  Message-Id: <921218163345.20200905@ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV>
  Subject: Naming Conventions Publication
  To:      <newton@enh>.NCSL.NIST.GOV
  X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"<newton@enh>"

  Those who have sent requests for the "Guide on Data Entity Naming
  Conventions" will be receiving them in the U.S. Mail.

  Will Richard King from Dartmouth please send another message with his
  mailing address?


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Barry Newton



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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:16:12 EST
From:         Nick Laflamme <NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      New List: IBMAS-L

Following a brief flurry of discussion on SQL-L about IBM's Application
System and how it interfaces with SQL/DS, I've gone ahead and set up an
IBMAS-L list on IRISHVMA (aka vma.cc.nd.edu) to discuss Application
System.

All are welcome to join; discussion of all aspects of AS (various
releases and versions, various platforms, various functions) are
appropriate.

Nick Laflamme

* NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET
* Dominique.P.Laflamme.1@nd.edu
*
* interesting phone numbers, effective 12/28/92:
*
* Nick's office:  (219) 631-8271      FAX:                (219) 631-8201
* IBM modem pool: (219) 634-2422      Network modem pool: (219) 634-2462
* Rathskellar pizza: (219) 256-0707 (no change)
* Chris's Ice Cream: disconnected since Sept, 1987 :-(
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From: ivan@rec.msk.su (ivanov oleg petrovich)
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Subject: Help with E-mail addresses of Trimble, Magellan and other GPS- devices firms !!!
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 17:30:59 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: RECOM Association
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Keywords: NAVSTAR, Global Positioning System

Hello,
Happy New Year!
Does any one have used GPS devices of Magellan Corp , Trimble Navigation or
any other firms in differential mode? I search the best choice for system which must take position
must get position with accuracy about 1 meter. I am interesting in E-mail
addresses firm mentioned above too.
Any proposals will be welcome.
Send answers on my E-mail address, please.
Thanks in advance,

-- 
Sincerely 
      Oleg Ivanov
RECOM Ltd
Moscow  |||  Email:   ivan@rec.msk.su             Fax: 007 (095) 196 1635


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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:53:59 EST
From:         "F.J.Kelley" <CMSFJK@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Mathematica

Hello Net,
Does anyone know of a List or newsgroup that is devoted to packages
like Mathematica?  I've searched, but can't find one.  I'll report
any findings back to the net.  Thanks,
--Joe Kelley
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Subject:      Re: Mathematica
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Try netnews.sci.math.symbolic which is an internet bboard.
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From:         Dan Troxell <jyacc!dtroxell%aspen@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Vector Directory Services
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hello!

I have been in contact with a company which maintains a listing of
subscribers who use x.400.

Has anyone had any experience with them or seen their listings? I would
like to know how extensive they are and was wondering if there were other
lists or listing services like this out there.

thanks!

dan

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From:         "Richard French Jr." <GT0287@SPRINGB.BITNET>
Subject:      LANRES/VM

Is there any reason I would want to order LANRES/VM now instead of waiting for
R2.0? I was considering installation sometime in April.

Richard French
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BITNET: GT0287@SPRINGB    SIU School of Medicine (217) 782-5027
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:06:31 GMT

In article <IBM-HESC%92122307362978@PSUORVM.CC.PDX.EDU>
"Michael A. Short" <$MAS@CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU> writes:
 
>
>LANRES/VM R2.0 (5684-142) has just been announced. Since it has the same
>product number as R1, is this version automatically on the consortium?
>
>Secondly, the product description from IBMLink indicates that of March 26,
>1993, the IBM Software License Monitor/VM (5648-038) will be required to
>run LANRES/VM. Is there anything underway to include this product in the
>HESC?
>
>Thanks.
Just talked to our HESC rep about this last week.
First, product on the HESC always ships the latest release.  So if you
need R1 ( eg. you don't meet the prerequisites of the new release), you
better order soon!!
Second, IBM Software License Monitor/VM is "currently" a no-charge product
so it is not part of the HESC.
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From:         "Michael A. Short" <$MAS@CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU>
Subject:      LANRES/VM

LANRES/VM R2.0 (5684-142) has just been announced. Since it has the same
product number as R1, is this version automatically on the consortium?

Secondly, the product description from IBMLink indicates that of March 26,
1993, the IBM Software License Monitor/VM (5648-038) will be required to
run LANRES/VM. Is there anything underway to include this product in the
HESC?

Thanks.
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Subject:      Information needed
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I am looking for colleges and universities that require students to
own a personal computer. I am not a member of the list, so please
respond to me directly. Thanks for your help

Rolland Everitt, Roger Williams U.
rde@acc.rwu.edu
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