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From: glb3833@sjfc.UUCP (Gidget Bowden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: Where is everybody?
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:52:46 GMT
Reply-To: glb3833@sjfc.UUCP (Gidget Bowden)
Organization: Saint John Fisher College, Rochester, NY

In article <Bs26CI.2nI@news.udel.edu> riddle@brahms.udel.edu (Tammy Riddle) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.132600.25677@sadtler.com> rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris) writes:
>>'taint dead yet, Joyce.
>>
>>-Rick.
>
>That's right, Joyce.  According to SOW, Thaao Penghlis has officially
>signed a contract with SB, which more than likely means that Manhattan
>Lives (the Deidre Hall soap) isn't a "sure bet."  Thaao was suppose to
>reprise his old DOOL role of Count Antony DiMera on Manhattan Lives.  So
>see, there is hope!! :-)
>

Well well Tam, I'm replying to another one of your posts.  I just read
a soap rag recently, I'm not sure which one, possibly SOD's 8/4 issue, or
another one, but anyways, it talked about Deidre Halls new show, and how
Thaao Penghlis was supposed to be one of the core characters, along with
his wife LeeAnn Huntly (Renee).  It sounded there like it was all set, but
if Penghlis has signed with SB, it looks like he is there.

On another note, if all the bigwigs at NBC have the feeling that SB is
going defunct, then why are they allowing SB to sign people on contracts?
Wouldn't NBC still have to pay them for the remainder of the contract,
even if the show is no longer running?

Let's start the petitions rolling, SB has to stay!!!

--Gidget
 

>
>--Tammy
> 


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From: asmith@ais.org (Amy Smith)
Subject: B&B:  Another blast
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:42:21 GMT

I just remembered more:

And they used to hang out at that restaurant that was kind
of 50's style.  There was that funny looking boy who always
looked confused and needed to comb his hair. HAHAH

Boy, I sound really heartless don't I?  *blush*



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From: fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown)
Subject: AMC: Hi Everybody
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:26:49 GMT

>
Hello everyone
  I have posted a few times but I haven't introduced myself so here
goes. My name is Frank Brown and I live in Marion, N.Y. and I'm a
sys admin at Kodak in Rochester. I'm married and have a stepdaughter.
We raise AKC Labs and have a small tabby cat too. I have been watching
AMC since the early 70's and wish they would not drag things out so
long. Nat in the well, who killed Zack Grayson, now it will be how
can Edmund prove who he is. My current fav characters our Brooke, Liv,
Lucas, and Dixie. Well it is almost time to go home and rewind the
vcr so bye for now.

Frank
From: rose@cecily.UUCP (Rose M. Delckum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: TAN - stuff
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 02:38:55 GMT
Organization: The New Alaska Riviera
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <45431@shamash.cdc.com>, Doreen Matsuzaki writes:
> I think there should be a stress management class just for those of
> us who are planning a wedding.  As Sister Pickle can attest to, both
> she and I are practically pulling our hair out with planning, etc.
> I find myself near a nervous breakdown at every corner.  At least I've
> got all these wonderful posts, etc. to read each day to preserve my
> sanity.


     Nope.  I think their should be some sort of place
where innocent people planning their weddings can take their
parents (especially their mothers!) and lock them up till
the wedding planning is over.  Really.  The planning's easy, 
trying not to kill my mom over it isn't hard.  I tell her there's
room for 50 people at our wedding, what's she do?  Gives me
a list of 47 close personal friends of the family, 3/4 of
whom I've a) never met  b)never even heard of or c)who invited
us to their kids weddings (but I didn't go cause I had no idea who they
were).  Help!
> 
> -- Passed out Papayayayayayayayayayaya

    Stressed out Shrubbery
--
Rose M. Delckum
rose@cecily.UUCP
or
uunet!coplex!cecily!rose
From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Da VinceMeister)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: DOOL:TAN: was Re: DOOL: Kimberly
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:50:55 GMT
Organization: Aggies In Austin

In <Bs29Ip.310@news.udel.edu> riddle@brahms.udel.edu (Tammy Riddle) states thusly:

	[bulk of original text/followup deleted, just because...]

>
>Hey, now hold it right there, Tim.  First, you say my child looks like
>Crystal Chappel, which she doesn't, and now you're picking on our Sweet
>Pickle Peel.  I was told this weekend to let you know you are in "deep
>do-do" from the Peel Sister's, but this just put you in SERIOUS "deep
>do-do!!!!"  You better watch out, not only is the Mad Poet and the Sweet
>Pickle probably going to have something to say, but the other Peels are
>after you!!!  No, Tim, not to be in your net.harem where out to get you!!!
>

	Someone *else* has incurred the Wrath of the Irate Peels -- 
	and it wasn't *me* for a change!

	Whew -- maybe the Sis's will lay off of me for awhile... 8^)

>--Peach

TTFN,
- EV

-- 
                Vince Rhee | And the preacher said
  pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | I pronounce you ninety-nine to life
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From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL: TAN:  Joanna will feel our wrath!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:25:49 GMT

In article <1575jsINNrsr@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>
>And one last unrelated thing. FOR SHAME, VILE, EVIL, DASTARDLY
>sister Sour Lemon, how dare you bastardize Tim's R.E.M. .sig;
>for this I challenge you to a due-el....No one insults R.E.M. and
>gets away from it. But then again I should have know, form a person
>who get off on Brian/Ginger--yuck.


Go get her Sally!  I told you that you'd have hell to pay!  You should
just hear the things she's concocting to do to you.  Heh heh, this will
be mucho fun.  


>Spud--so Doreen, if you aren't too busy with the wedding plans, how
>about being my second thus defending R.E.M., and our former net love
>Timmy?


Former?  Just wait a cotton-picking minute here!   :-)


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From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL: Roger Lombard, etc
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:22:16 GMT

In article <UeRUrjy00VB10GkUc_@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeffrey Todd Blankenship <jb93+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>peea224@chpc.utexas.edu (Joanna L. Castillo) writes:
>
>*
>My point is that I don't care *at all* about what happens to the 
>Lombards and I don't want to watch them.  Good ol' Roger is gonna be 
>dead any day now...anyone who can't see that coming isn't up on Soap 
>Fundamentals 101 and needs to take a refresher course.  I really am
>...
>Yeah, but it's the Bradys and Hortons that I care about.  As for the
>....
>just hate not knowing.  I suppose that if the Lombards slowly worked 
>their way into things, I might grow to care for them but they've been 
>at the forefront from day 1 and I'm still unmoved by them.
>*
>
>MY  point is name me five bradys or hortons that have done anything
>worth mentioning in the past year.  i can't think of any horton (except

Kim, Kim, Kim, Kim and Kim.  :-)


>as for roger being killed off, regardless of whether or not roger is
>killed off, who will be the suspects...bradys, larry, liz, jesse...
>well, isn't that what you wanted, more brady air time.  trust me, stella


I can't think of anyone that couldn't be a suspect in Roger's murder!
I do think it would be interesting though as it might finally give 
the Bradys a half-interesting storyline.  


>won't be around much longer either.  the only lombard that will last the
>summer will be jesse.  'hero,' strong word, how about "refreshing change
>of pace from the same old same old."


I think most would agree that the idea to have a Roger Lombard type on
the show isn't so bad, but we just don't think this guy measures up.
I personally don't think he is *that* bad, and his acting is getting
better, but I could certainly do without him too.  I have to agree w/
Joanna about one thing though...  they got front-burner right from the
start.  We didn't even get a chance to warm up to them or get used to
them.  DAYS does this too much, tries to make a major story but uses
very minor players.  


>somewhere along the line, the point of my original post has been lost. 
>i like the lombards.


I noticed.  Hey, does Jeff remind anyone else of a certain poster from the
past?  One that liked to use every key on the keyboard, or something like
that?  :-)


>it has been a bad day, but my i feel better now.
>
>jeff

That's why we're here dude, to make you feel better.  Thanks for sharing.
Now pass a Rolling Rock!  :)


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: LOVING
From: mitch@cdthq.UUCP (Mitch Harris)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:47:44 CDT
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

Hi, all y'all small, select group of tastful viewers (like me!).
Well, we found out Cooper was not molested as a child, thank God.
Maybe he'll get it together now...I was getting tired of that crazy
music & flashbacks of his.
Now if the writers will just close the book on Trisha & Giff, I'll be
much happier. These 2 have no chemistry together. Plus I'm tired of
Trisha's whiny, spoiled self. I hope Trucker gets custody of Christo-
pher, just to wake that heifer up!
Come on, guys, let's have some redictions on how long Jack will be 
gone...I bet we see him by Xmas.
**********************************************************************

          ..........Beverly H.

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From: thompson@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Sharon Thompson)
Subject: Re: AMC: ACK! Angelique's hair and Smooth face Dimitri
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:07:20 GMT

In article <9207311341.AA27629@hqsun1.us.oracle.com> tburgess@us.oracle.com (Terri Servantes Burgess) writes:
>

>
>Was there just too many blondes on the show that they needed to change
>people's hair color??
>
>Tia "I'm still in shock over the new doos" Burgess


No -- they still are trying to get rid of that life-time supply of red
hair color that someone in the make-up department won on a game show.

SHARON
From: jgacker@NEPTUNE.GSFC.NASA.GOV (James G. Acker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: ATWT:  Steve Harding -- I've got a name for you!
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:46:46 GMT


	Steve, Stiffen, HardON, etc.


	After this morning's rash of leering lascivious postings, (public
relations!  Hmph!  Not everybody's from Boston, John!),  I've decided 
to think of you as 

	WARREN G.

(because you've corrupted every administration on the Net!)

	Look that up in your history book, Mr. President!

	Lazzzzzzzerjet Jimmy
	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: let's save the show
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:48:55 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

All right Pat! I am glad that this is happening. Leave my name on all my posts!
I am an SB fan and proud of it.
I have nothing but praise for this show. The last year has been GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
To say the least. The only  thing that could possible upset me is the fact that
if who ever posted the spoiler list, the part where BJ and Frank start dating
is higly repulsive. That particular storyline IF it happens could upset alot of
people.
GINA is great, I have loved her from the beginning
I also like the new guy TY, he seems like he could be really funny.
Let's go people get those SB posts together...

Lisa
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: n2413@cray.com (Jo Theis)
Subject: Re: ATWT: Boy...Am I ticked!
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:32:30 CDT

In article <1992Jul29.145056.4451@nas.nasa.gov> harding@sun444.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding) writes:
>It looks as tho yesterday (Tues) was not my day.  Who ever took it, please
>give it back.
>
>First off, my VCR didn't fire as I assumed it would so I missed all of
>yesterday's episode.
>
>Secondly, I sat down and penned a nice think you note to every lurker who's
>post made it to my home machine.  Figured it was the least I could do,
>since Lurker's Day was my suggestion.  Got a message from my email/news
>host that they were not accepted because it was out of disk space.
>
>On top of that, some nice thing is in bloom here in Silicon Valley that is
>killing my sinuses.
>
>And...here is the REAL killer!  All these fine new friends and Nurse
>Kravitts has hidden the key to the linen closet.  Jealous old hag!

Oh well, Stiffen, you know what they say.  Stuff occurs.  Er...no.
Well, it's something like that, anyway!
>
>steve

- JlJ
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From: thompson@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Sharon Thompson)
Subject: Re: AMC: It's a fashion show - NOT
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:51:47 GMT

In article <8gHcoB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP> mitch@cdthq.UUCP (Mitch Harris) writes:

>my life! It looks like Pine Valley does most of their shopping at the
>Dollar Store. Gawd!

C'mon -- high fashion is always ugly.

>  The men looked good for the most part. Guess it's hard to screw up a
>tux when Trevor's not around!

He WAS there -- you probably didn't notice since he blended in with the
crowd in his totally "normal" tux -- I, for one, was disappointed.


SHARON
STANFORD, CA
Organization: Office of the Dean - CFA, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL:roger lombard, etc.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:17:59 GMT

In article <QePpbk600VB9A=yV1G@andrew.cmu.edu> jb93+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeffrey Todd Blankenship) writes:
>joanna writes:
>
>>Ahh...so then, you don't love the Lombards...it's just Roger?  I can 
>>almost understand this.  Roger can certainly add some interest to 
>>things but Stella (who was on LALaw recently, BTW) and Jesse can both
>>take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned. 
>
>ok, ok.  you've made me do some soul searching and your right, it isn't
>the lombards, it's roger lombard.  you know, i think i like the way you
>think.  
  
Egads!  Jeff, be careful there guy.  I can see her claws popping out now
getting ready to sink in!


>i have been defending brian for a while now, i'm glad i'm not
>the only one in his corner.  i have to disagree on the vern thing
>though.  sure, the man is a putz, but look at those 'burns.  i say he
>has to stay, simply because of the haircut!


I think his haircut is the worst thing about him, including the dorky
sideburns.  Someone saw him on the Waltons?  Oh help!  No wonder I 
always hated that show!


>anxiously waiting,

For what?  :)

>jeff


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From: dvw@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (diane.v.wilkerson)
Subject: Re: GL:  Comments
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:04:09 GMT
Keywords: Tuesday's show

In article <1992Jul23.172138.29278@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:

>Does anyone think Eve is up to something?  I normally don't get to see
>the show and keep up through these updates, but I did get to watch every 
>episode last week.  It seemed to me Eve was asking an awful lot of
>questions about the Spauldings and their money and making a lot of
>comments about the house, it furnishing -- you know, how expensive
>they were.  (These comments were to Eleni).  
>
>schalene

1.  It could be the reflections of a woman who lived in an isolated country
    for a long time, and seeing how rich people live while other have to
    scrape and fight for everything they can get.

OR

2.  It could have something to do with that "someone else" that Paul mentioned.
    She could be scouting out territory, and a place for herself and
    ?.

I vote for 2.  'Cause I'm suspicious.


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From: rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris)
Subject: Re: DOOL: This and That
Organization: Sadtler Research Laboratories
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:49:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.222357.3285@chpc.utexas.edu> peea224@chpc.utexas.edu (Joanna L. Castillo) writes:
>In article <YeP_4He00VB3I=HEx7@andrew.cmu.edu> Marcus Wilhelm Banzhaf <mb5g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>It seemed like most of the episode was fastforward city.  Those
>>Izzy/John scenes were unbelievably long.
>>
>>  Lots of poor, confused Marcus Wilhelm Banzhaf's Bella Bashing deleted
>>  for taste.
>>
>
>Tee hee...very insightful, Marcus.  Rick, did you see this?
>

Yeah.  I saw it.  I'm not one to hold it in so I'll buck the crowd again and
say that I did not like Danielle.  If we must compare Issy to someone, her
sister was worthy of replacing her.  But Danielle?  With that fake accent?
With that goofy grin?  Stalking John with a sneaky scheme to get him back?
No.  She was a spoiled, goofy-looking token to give Drake and Staci some
story and she failed miserably.  I agree that the John and Isabella story
needs some spice (all academic now...) but Danielle was not the answer.
Marina (was that her name?) should come back (maybe as a vampire like Kim
did? :-) ).  She could try for John (and succeed driving Issy to suicide -
Oh Mr. Evil...  But I've already sent my one scenerio....).

>>Nice to see the writers didn't forget about Larry's feelings for Kim. 
>>Can't wait to see their first scene together.  I'm curious to see what
>>Larry is going to have to say to her.  
>
>Yes...they did do this nicely.  Of course, Larry's always good.

Agreed.  Let's trash this Larry - Lissanne farce and get Larry and Kim
involved.  It simply breaks me up to watch Lissanne's seduction technique.
She simply starts pausing between words.

Before seduction:
  Lawrence, we must pay off Lombard to turn Kim into a vampiress so that
the r.a.t.s. folk have something to tease Tim with.

During seduction:
  After we ...pay... Lombard ... off... we... can... Lombard... something
... else...   Like ... In..  the... bedroom?...  I ...always  ... liked
...Jolly... Rogers...

Nope.  Tim, does our wife seduce you like that?  She doesn't me!  And if
I tried that tactic...

   Honey ... The... kids... are... in.... bed.... And... we... are...
ALONE....

She'd say "Is there something stuck in your throat?  The kids are in bed,
let's go watch the soaps!"

>
>>That's all for now.
>
>Looking forward to reading more.

and me

>
>>--marcus
>
>Joanna.
>

-Rick.

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From: debbiek@rruxc.uucp (25670s-kennedy)
Subject: Re: AMC TAN: Hey I'm new Part 2
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:21:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.133537.22341@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, laviers@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Cocotte Minute) writes:
> In article <1992Jul29.165326.12519@athena.mit.edu> zaccaria@mtl.mit.edu (Carolyn Zaccaria) writes:
> >
> >I think this storyline is one of the favorites of many! I can recall
> >many other folks saying this too. I like Lawrence Lau's looks and
> >features too and I kind of miss him and I defintely miss Jesse!
> >
> 
> I remember when he was dying at PV hospital, I kept thinking: "Ah, 
> another coma storyline!" But, when he really died, I couldn't
> believe it. :(  I was all teary eyed for Angie at his bedside and
> at the funeral.
> Genevieve

Teary Eyed!  I cried like a baby!  That was thee saddest
thing I ever watched.  I was so upset, I never went back
to work that afternoon after I watched it.  I even cry
at weddings of total strangers though, so you can't go
by me:-)!
                                *********************
Deb                             Since I gave up hope,
                                I feel much better.
                                *********************
From: riddle@brahms.udel.edu (Tammy Riddle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB:  major spoiler
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:07:50 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <2201@sjfc.UUCP> glb3833@sjfc.UUCP (Gidget Bowden) writes:
>Warning:  this article contains a major spoiler!
>I got this off prodigy, and thought I should share it with those
>interested.
>
>
>
>
>Nicholas Walker leaves the role of FRANK in late August due to storyline
>developments, but he's philosophical about it.  Nicholas is a vet of two
>other soaps and hopes to be a working actor again very soon.
>
>So, any ideas on what will happen?????
>
>
>--Gidget
>

Gidget, I don't have any ideas what will happen, but how about if DOOL
picks up Nicholas Walker.  They could sure use an actor who can act.  Wait
a minute, they'd probably royally screw him up though, since it seems
Palumbo is still around.  Oh well, just a thought.


--Tammy


>
>
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From: linda@unix.SRI.COM (Linda J. Szkoropad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: Where is everybody?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:07:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <22796@oasys.dt.navy.mil> greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas) writes:
>In rec.arts.tv.soaps, noonan@sonata.enet.dec.com (Costumes & Makeup and *Kliegs*, oh my!) writes:
>>         Sometimes posts seem so complete they seem to need no
>>         response.
>>
>>         .sigless E
>
>When I agree with a post or there doesn't seem to be a need to reply
>I don't.
>
>Leila

_____

Thanks for the responses, I'm surprised nobody said anything about
"deaf" since you can't hear me...I guess I should have said "blind"

Linda

I hate the message that my article was aborted because I said less
than the other person!!
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From: rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: Sadtler Research Laboratories
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:29:08 GMT

How about that Dynasty fellow - One of the Carrington Sons was gay.

-Rick.
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