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From: collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: The Little Mermaid Series Question
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:07:44 GMT

In article <1jt7kvINNlgi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:
> Well, they've finally moved the TLM series to a halfway decent hour here
> in Cleveland (10:00 from 7:00--still early, but workable at least sometimes)
   It is shown at 6:30am here, still (this seems to be the time for
mermaid series - Saban's was on at the same time Sundays here)! Thank
goodness for VCRs. But it turns out that I have watched the last 13
episodes live anyway. :-)

> so, now that I get to see some eps, I was wondering, do Ariel's sisters
> ever make a significant appearance?  I mean, are they ever major characters
> in the story?  Do they ever do anything with Ariel or is she always just
> hanging out with Flounder and Sebastian?
   Ariel's sisters usually do not put in much of an appearance. Ariel
usually just hangs out with Sebastian & Flounder. I can't compare this
to the movie (I am STILL waiting for my copy :-( - I don't want my
FIRST (yes, you heard that correctly :-) ) viewing to be of a worn
out rental).

   But there are two episodes which also feature two of Ariel's sisters
(one for each episode) (see my episode guide for the series). In "BEACHED",
Arista is also featured. Ariel & Arista defend the palace against two
alligators who want to rob the place. In "EEL-ECTRIC CITY", Allana is also
featured. Ariel, Allana, & Pearl go to Eel-Ectric City.



From: riouxp@rs6325.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
> (hoping i got them right... but knowing i will be corrected.....>:)
   Especially if it had been about Saban's Little Mermaid series! :-)



From: riouxp@rs6325.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
> umm... i guess that i didn't have to wait to be corrected... the episode
> that i was talking about was beached... but it was arista, not alana... 
> sorry for the inconvenience..... and if you are feeling stupid for correcting me
> because you didn;'t see this until after, take refuge in knowing that i did the
> same exact thing.......
   I actually corrected you before the fact! Boy, I am getting fast! :-) :-)


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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: UPCOMING ANIMATED FEATURES
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:50:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu

We've been talking about these for a while, so I'll reiterate some
points that have been posted on rec.arts.disney:

In article <93024.201416RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu> <RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>For those of you who don't read some of the small print animation magazines,
>the Disney animation agenda looks like this:
>
>1993:  KING OF THE JUNGLE--I don't know much about this one, except that it's
>supposed to be something like Bambi, but with a lion cub;  Alan Menkin and Tim
>Rice are doing the songs;  Linda Woolverton (Beauty and the Beast) is doing the
>script; and James Earl Jones does a voice.

It was supposedly renamed The Lion King (although that is probably
tentative, too).  Disney definitely thinks that it will not be
finished by late 1993--in fact, they're planning to release it in
the spring or summer of 1994.  It LOOKS LIKE it is going to be kind of
like Bambi, but it's vague at the moment.  The songs will be by Tim
Rice and Elton John.  It has been rumored that Linda Woolverton and
George Scribner are no longer on the production team for The Lion
King.  That can't be confirmed at present.

>1994:  POCAHONTAS--This WILL be a musical version, and it WILL be historically
>accurate, meaning it won't be a happy ending.  At the end, so I've heard,
>Pocahontas stays in Virginia while her lover, Captain John Smith, takes a ship
>back to England.

It is not certain whether the delays in The Lion King production will
push back the other features.  For Aladdin, both the story and
animation were rushed to make the release date.  Disney stated that
they do not want to repeat the experience.  Back in the 30's and 40's,
Walt Disney and his staff discovered that one feature a year was
simply too much, too fast (and his staff was much larger than the
modern one).  Anyway, Steven Schwartz and Alan Menken are supposedly
working on the soundtrack.

>1995:  FANTASIA REVISITED

Someday....

>Also, somewhere in all this they're supposed to insert THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE
>CHRISTMAS, directed by former Disney animator Tim Burton.  I've heard
>conflicting reports as to whether or not that's supposed to be animated.

Reportedly, NIGHTMARE will be a stop-motion animated feature.  The
specific process they are using will allegedly give the characters
some of the versatility of clay animation.

>The next feature after SWAN LAKE is tentatively titled SONG OF THE SEA.  No
>word yet as to whether or not a certain redhead or a Jamaican crab will be
>featured.

I've read that it will be about a whale's "coming of age."  That
sounds a lot like The Lion King.  But it's really too early to tell.
Ahrens and Flaherty (Once on this Island) are reportedly working on
the soundtrack.

I only know what I read or hear--and anything's subject to change,
often at the last minute.  Just attempting to keep things straight.


- Robert Cook
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Aladdin (Inside Joke!)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:55:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu

In article <C1CGuF.49p@willamette.edu> epatter@willamette.edu (Eric Patterson) writes:
>
>Just after Prince Achmed has left, & the Sultan has talked to Princess Jasmine
>about settling down with a husband, he says to himself, "I don't know where
>she gets it from.  Her mother wasn't anywhere *near* so picky!"

I got the joke the second time around.  The first time, it made me
think "Where IS Jasmine's mother!?" (quite a FAQ)  While Beauty
and the Beast and The Little Mermaid never brought up the subject,
Aladdin does, and that's what struck me as odd.  I kept thinking
about it while watching the movie, even though we all know that
Disney provides no answer to the riddle of the missing mothers
(aside from when their absence is a major part of the story).

Note: Aladdin had a mother in the original Arabian Nights tale, but
Disney consciously removed her for a very routine-sounding reason:
Howard Ashman's idea for the mother made Aladdin himself look downright
boring.  Or so I've read....


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: beauty's song
Reply-To: st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:21:05 GMT

In the song "Belle" in BatB, so sings: "here's where she meets Prince Charming/but she won't discover that it's him 'til chapter three".
It sounds like the "prince in disguise" idea is BatB, but she doesn't really
discover that Beast is a prince until later in the story than what you could
consider chapter three. In fact, she doesn't even meet beast until what could be considered after chapter three. What other fairy tale could she be talking 
about? Any ideas?
Also, why doesn't Beast have a real name. After all, when his parents named 
him, I highly doubt "Beast" was a popular choice.
Love y'all,
Erika Lindsay
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: GIFs of posters!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:22:49 GMT

In <1993Jan25.042332.19853@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:

>Remember: if you want either one of these posters, email me *now*.  The
>deadline is Thursday January 27.

Or Thursday January 28 if you want to be pedantic.  But Thursday
nonetheless.  (And that means Thursday *my* time, so Wednesday for the
most of you.)

Tim.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: IEBF94S@tjuvm.tju.edu (Craig Doerrmann)
Subject: Alternate access to r.a.d
Organization: Thomas Jefferson University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:46:43 GMT

Somewhat faster than my usual train of thought, I think I may have an
answer to a question that was posted here about a month or so ago.  The
question dealt with alternate ways to access rec.arts.disney for someone
without a newsreader.  I seem to remember that usenet discussion groups
are featured on gopher servers, maybe at the University of Minnesota?
There are several gopher servers that are available via telnet.  I'll
dig a little further and get back to the list.  Meanwhile, does anybody
remember who needed the information?  Anybody have quick access to a
gopher server with r.a.d on it?  Let me know.
 
See ya,
Craig Doerrmann
Internet: iebf94s@tjuvm.tju.edu   Bitnet: iebf94s@tjuvm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Aladdin sucks
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:41:33 GMT


As far as the merchandising is concerned I think it is wonderful
since my 5 year old daughter can get Jasmin clothes and a Jasmin
Doll which is just what she wants.  By the way, did you know it is
a sign of age to believe that all the good stuff happened long ago?
Don't get me wrong, to me the old movies will always be the best
because I experienced them as a child.  There is no substitute for
seeing these things when you still believe in them.  I will tell
you that watching how my daughter feels about Jasmin and Belle
tells me that they didn`t fail.  Seeing what amazing crowds go to
see these movies tells me that they are right.  Nothing can stay
exactly as it was because the world is always changing.  Disney
IS different but I think it is still good.

Just MHO,

Karen
From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: upcoming disney features animated
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:50:45 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu wrote:
> Jeff-
> Not only is Pochahontas scheduled to be the next animated Dis. release, but
> the studio has plans to keep the well-known UNHAPPY ending. I'm not so sure
> about this.
> Love y'all,
> Erika Lindsay

"THE LION KING"..............  And I wouldn't say the ending of Pocahontas
will be "unhappy"... more like "bittersweet".

--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Beauty and the Beast Movie Postter
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:30:50 GMT


I have a Beauty and the Beast original movie theater poster for sale.
It is the version with all of the characters and the Beast';s face in
the clouds above the castle.  Serial #ed at bottom right. (Excellent condition)


e-me for inofrmation.
From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: How about ANIMATED Disney Movies
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:25:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k4h8gINNg86
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1jurrgINN2nj@mozz.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>>Will they EVER release the Balck Cauldron on video?  I've only ever seen
>>>it once, and would kill to see it again.
>>
>>No.  From what I have heard it will probably never be released.  For
>>different reasons, Song of the South will never be rereleased as well.
>
>I understand the reasons behind "Song of the South" (though believe them to
>be thoroughly unjustified), but what possible reasons could there be for
>not re-releasing "The Black Cauldron" ?
>-- 
>*****  The Rink  *****   Programming is an art form that fights back.

I heard it was because "The Black Cauldron" was an embarrassment to
the Disney Studios and they didn't want to release such a "bomb."

I have no opinion about the movie itself.  I never saw it.  It was
released when I was 14, and it just wasn't COOL in junior high to go
see Disney films.  What a loss for me. of youth...

-Denise
********
"If you can't say something nice....don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: How about ANIMATED Disney Movies
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:31:37 GMT

In <1993Jan27.024753.5495@leland.Stanford.EDU> inkblot@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Calvin Cannon) writes:

>    Fortunately, TLM, BatB, etc. have really started to break up the
>traditional pattern.  We all know about the empowerment of the Disney
>heroin, and I personally breathed a sigh of relief after seeing that the 
 ^^^^^^
whoops.  A rather unfortunate typo, that . . .
What about the empowerment of the Disney crack?  marijuana? . . . :)
(Well, *someone* had to say it!)

Tim Pickett
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: UPCOMING ANIMATED FEATURES
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:48:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu

In article <C1G3Lq.E22@unix.amherst.edu> atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin) writes:
>Robert Cook (rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu) wrote:
>> 
>> It was supposedly renamed The Lion King (although that is probably
>> tentative, too).  Disney definitely thinks that it will not be
>> finished by late 1993--in fact, they're planning to release it in
>> the spring or summer of 1994.  It LOOKS LIKE it is going to be kind of
>> like Bambi, but it's vague at the moment.  The songs will be by Tim
>> Rice and Elton John.  It has been rumored that Linda Woolverton and
>> George Scribner are no longer on the production team for The Lion
>> King.  That can't be confirmed at present.
>
>Oh gee... why not? :(

Because I don't have inside sources--zero, zippo, nichts.

>> Anyway, Steven Schwartz and Alan Menken are supposedly working on the
>> soundtrack [for Pocahontas].
>
>Most definitely working...

I've been flamed in the past for posting something I've read as
fact (ie without all the 'supposedly' and 'probably' modifiers)
when things change.

>> I've read that it will be about a whale's "coming of age."  That
>> sounds a lot like The Lion King.  But it's really too early to tell.
>> Ahrens and Flaherty (Once on this Island) are reportedly working on
>> the soundtrack.
>
>Let's add up how many of Disney's animated pics have been coming of
>age stories..... It works and they end up being very different movies.
>Don't worry.  And the songs have been worked on.......

I'm not worried, literally, but I have my doubts that Disney can
produce something really original.  For all I know, they can not
only dump certain songs for any number of reasons, they can even
dump musical teams (I've never heard of that happening, though)
or postpone movies indefinitely.  Sleeping Beauty was delayed
because of Disneyland in the 50's, for example.

>>  Just attempting to keep things straight.
>
>Not an easy task...

Oh, nearly impossible. :-)  Our posts apparently went out at almost
the same time, and luckily, our information matches up.  But I would
not take any of this 100% seriously even if Jeffrey Katzenberg told
me himself.  The entertainment "industry"--gotta love it! :-)  We'll
just have to be patient, but we can try to keep our guesses straight.

BTW, notice that Toontown's opening was yesterday, the 25th, instead
of the 26th.  At least, that's what the news said, so it may or may
not be true (I wasn't there).  I was at Disneyland earlier this month,
and I heard that Toontown's opening had been changed to the 23rd or
24th(!), but I didn't believe that, either.  And there's this trailer
for Sleeping Beauty on my BatB tape...why are they planning to scrap
the reissue?  Didn't that trailer they put on the tape mean that
they were serious?  Is it a marketing ploy or something?

See what I mean? (don't answer the questions--they are pure rhetoric)


- Robert Cook
From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: The Woman Behind Ariel (Jodi Benson)
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:51:12 GMT

In article <1ji0rgINNsd1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G.  
Brashear) writes:
>[Jodi Benson is ariel]

Nope!  Sorry.  It is Sherri Stoner, she is single, sorta short, works at Warner  
Brothers now, and was selling puppies or kittens a few months ago. She was the  
live action reference for more than one Disney female lead.
-Joe Solinsky
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: are mermaids fish... the long awaited ANSWER!!!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:06:29 GMT

In article <c8h3wpm@rpi.edu>, riouxp@rs6325.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux) writes:
> 
> ok... i have been watching this debate go on for some time now, and i have a little conversation that popped into my mind....
> 
> (this is blatantly stolen from "the evil manta"... (original stuff..:)
> 
> flounder: aren't you going to eat m-m-mee...?
> ariel   : now why would i do that?
> flounder: i heard that big fish eat little fish... and you're bigger than me..
> ariel   : well, i'm not a fish, i'm a mermaid
   You beat me to it (just did the writeup for this episode) - though I
was only going to do this line (doing the writeup for six episodes in one
day (including the watching!) is too much! :-) ). :-(

> flounder: you mean your not a fish......
> ariel   : there aren't only fish in the ocean...
> flounder: there aren't?
> ariel   : nope... (more after.. but we will skip it....
> 
> so.. who still says that ariel is a fish???????
   Don't forget that the following also came from the SAME episode (I
think just after this scene) :
	"THE EVIL MANTA" episode states that mermaids are half fish,
	and half ... something (the character who was speaking didn't
	know).


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From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Who Framed Roger Rabbit LD
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:01:47 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:

>According to my friend, Disney will release a new CAV letterboxed 
>version of _Who_Framed_Roger_Rabbit_ with an original aspect ratio.

The CAV version has always been letterboxed, as far as I know...I bought mine
a couple of years ago...


-- Andy Ihnatko
   andyi@world.std.com
From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Bad Motel near WDW
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:25:56 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

On our recent trip to Walt Disney World we first chose the Park Inn
International - Cedar Lakeside because it was cheap and had fridges
with microwaves ($39/night).  Once we got there we discovered that the
beach now only had jetskis at very high rentals, the hot tub was
broken, the pool was closed early on us and very rudely, the shower rod
fell down and almost got my wife in the head, and do to work in the
rooms they were warning people to use the pay safes in each room to
secure your valuables.  We think this work was already done in our room
because we had new looking furniture, but it only had two small drawers
for clothes.

We stay in lots of cheap hotels but something about this place really
made us feel like we weren't on vacation.  Since that was the goal we
left.  They really didn't seem surprised when we left early, nor did
they really seem to care why.  Maybe a lot of people leave early.  In
any case I give them 0 stars and reccommend that you don't stay there.

BTW, they only have fridges and microwaves in about 5 to 10 of their
rooms.

Rather than hunt for another inexpensive place with our scarce vacation
time we switched to the WDW Carribbean Beach Resort.  At $89 a night
it was rather more than we wanted to be paying but we certainly felt
like we were on vacation.

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: WHFELT01@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Bill Felty)
Subject: Brad Kane question
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:57:57 GMT

Hello.  I have a question that I thought you Disney fans might be able to
answer:  I am curious about the singing voice of "Aladdin"--Brad Kane.  Does
anyone know the background on this fellow?  Where might we have seen him
act, or heard him sing before?  Any info would be appreciated!
 
Bill
From: cprovencal@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Walt Disney (the man)
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:59:53 GMT
Organization: Clark University

Hello, out there. I'm doing a report on Walt Disney and I need some info. on
him. Any background information I can get. I have books about Walt Disney World
and Epcot and they tell how it got started.  But I need some type of history
of the man who started it all. If anybody knows if there is a biography on him
let me know, please.  Or if you could send me the info over the net that would
greatly help. thanks.

Chris
From: feenan@nova.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Fort Wilderness Layout/Map ?
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:34:07 GMT
Reply-To: feenan@nova.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


|>From: sys0002@dircon.co.uk (Julian Hayward)
|>Subject: Fort Wilderness Layout/Map ?
|>
|>
|>Could anyone post me a map of Fort Wilderness, either digitised 
|>or an ASCII representation?
|> 
|>I'd like to find out which trailer loops are near to the bike 
|>barn and yet reasonably secluded.
|>

I've stayed twice at Cedar Circle (2500 loop) and once at Arrowhead Way (2200)

The lower numbers are the closest to the bike barn....and is starts at
2200.  I didn't like the 2200 loop because most (all?) trailers backed
up near tent sights and depending on the occupants it got a bit noisier.

The distance between the road entrances to each loop and the bike barn 
are probably not that much different between 2200 & 2300.  But you have
to remember to get either a high number trailer or a low number trailer
within the loop.  If you get the 'middle number' you will probably add
50% to the distance walked.

-Jay
From: drwho@edwards.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: are mermaids fish... the long awaited ANSWER!!!!!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:43:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: edwards.wpi.edu

Maybe mermaids are both fish *and* mammal.  After all, platypuses
exist. (platypi?)

Besides this possibility, I think the three most likely possibilities
are: 

a. Merfolk are half *dolphin*, thus being all-mammal, with a
horizontal tail, but no scales.

b. What's all this "half-human" crap?  A mermaid is all-mermaid.  It's
not like someone chopped up two creatures and stuck them together.  A
mermaid belongs to, er, whatever class or phyllum fish belong to,
but their upper halves are *shaped* like a human.  Merfolk have
vertical tails, but no breasts.  (Hey!  You can't say that here, this
is a family newsgroup!)

c. Therer's no such thing as mermaids.  (Of course, this possibility
is the one I find the least desirable.)

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)  # 
a.k.a.:  The Eternal Newbie,  # 
The Amazing Tubeman!,         # 
Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities between what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.