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From: arbi@iris.polymer.uakron.edu (R. Balaji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: eelam, tamil, problem, shutting up!
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:50:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio

the discussion of eelam problems was, in my opinion, going on in
a decent, even though haphazard, manner, until ....
until, someone told others to shut up.

forgive me for begging the question, but if the only way you can
argue is by telling others to shut up, you shouldn't be arguing.
there are two parties involved in the problem (fundamentally) -
the tamils and the sri lankan government: each side is telling the
other to shut up - the reason for the deadlocked situation. no
wonder ardent supporters of one side are taking the same attitude
on this net.

don't look at who's saying what; listen to what's being said:
	
	epporul yAryArvAik kEtpinum apporul
	meipporul kANba dhaRivu.

a person doesn't have to know the a-z of something to be able to
voice his/her opinions. if that were to be so, we'd have no experts
on anything, no comments on anything, no analysts, and we'll be just
living like a bunch of animals (looks like some of us are/want to).
taking gandhi's philosophy of "the ends do not justify the means" one
step ahead, knowledge of the ends/roots is not necessary to approve/
disapprove the means. this is only necessary for passing judgment -
and i didn't see anyone passing judgment here on the net. if someone
says it's wrong to kill one person in retaliation of the killing
of n people in sri lanka, he/she is right. you cannot ask why is that
one life more important than those n lives - because it is a wrong
question. what is being said is that killing (n+1) people is more
wrong than killing (n) people. and there can be no doubt about that.

if the fight in sri lanka is for freedom of government, i don't
understand how a supporter of such a movement can tell someone to
shut up. it's a blatant suppression of another's freedom of speech.
the fight for freedom (if that's what is going on) is a holy one
and it'll be tarnished by such attitudes. i stress what i said in my
previous mail: you're not going to gain anything by antagonizing
innocent by-standers; it's only waste of your energy.

finally, let me ask everyone to listen with their hearts but speak
with their minds.

peace an' luv,
arbi
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:3632 soc.culture.indian:37093
From: 5292balajim@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Who is a Brahmin (Thuglak Cho)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 21:37:04 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5292balajim@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <19045.2b064cf5@ecs.umass.edu>, vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:

>	Cho writes a serial in his fortnightly magazine Thuglak.  He 

	Anyway I could get copies of Thuglak here ?? I read the first
few chapters of " YENGE BRAAMMANAN" in India. I was much impressed with
the way CHO wrote them in his own inimicable style. Actually this serial
was written first by him 10 years back or so (I am not quite sure about the
exact date). Now he is modifying and adding certain things to make it 
more relevant to the present day society.

>	"Then how can you be called a brahmin?  Performing the yagas
>themselves and let others do the same, involve himself in the prayer
>for the betterment of world, etc are important for a brahmin, aren't
>they? The aim of a brahmin is not earning money, right? If we see in
>that way, who  is brahmin now?  People  like my dad's  only  goal is
>earning money.  Some others earn money at least for normal living by 
>working at offices or by  doing some business.  People like you earn
>something by performing rituals.  Among all these who is eligible to
>call himself a brahmin?"
	
	Any opinions from the netters for this question?

	-- balaji.
	5292balajim@vms.csd.mu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: The Ramayana Controversey continues
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:40:08 GMT

The following is for mature audience only. Those who are allergic
to words like caste, Brahmin, Tamil etc., please skip this article.
Actually, it is based on what I read in Hindustan Times, Delhi,
written by some one who is an expert in Ramayana. I would like
comments from the expert in our net, A Natarajan of AT&T.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Rama, Sita, Ravana were all Sanskrit speaking people, with all
their caste system and everything. Even the similarity of names
indicate they were from the same region. Dark Rama being of kshatria caste,
Ravana might have been of a different caste. Or probably just a
wicked brother-in-law of Rama. Rama and Ravana never got along
well, probably caste friction or brother-in-law enemity.
Somehow Ravana managed to conquer a foreign island and set up his
group there.

When Rama was in the Dandakaranya, it appeared the right time for
Ravana to give trouble to his life long enemy Rama. So kidnaped
Sita.

Hanuman, was a world traveller and obviously knew many languages.
Since there was no caste system among Hanuman's clan, and his name
ended with 'an', it is quite possible Tamil was his mother tongue.
Multilingual Tamilians were probably as common then, as today.

Hanuman also never liked Ravana. The dark skinned north Indian Rama,
on the other hand achnowledged his Dravida ancestry and could get along
very well with Hanuman and his people.

In fact, during his quest for Sita, he dropped in, at Kapatapuram, which
was the Pandiya Nadu, in its height of glory. When he finally found
Sita, he had to convey to Sita that he is in fact a messenger
from Rama and not one of Ravanas local friends.

So he thought,
"If I speak in Sanskrit, Sita will not be sure which side I am on.
Sita must have learnt some Tamil, during her vanavaasam. Hardly
any of those forest tribes speak Sanskrit. She must know at least
some Tamil to do vegetable shopping. So let me tell her in Tamil." 

The message got conveyed to Sita.
None of her guards understood Tamil, as they were all Sanskrit speaking
close friends and associates of Ravana. No locals.

Then he returned with the great news to Rama, with the famous
words from Kamba Ramayanam, "kandEn Seetheyai".

Siva had been supplying arms and ammunition to Ravana earlier,
under the 'arms for the oppressed chiefs', programme.
So before going to war, Rama had to pray to Siva at Ramesvaram,
take his blessings, and make sure Siva would be on his side.
Siva was probably equivalent to USA of Today.
--------------------------------------------------------------
The author claimed he had done extensive study of Kamba Ramayanan
and Valmiki Ramayanam to arrive at this conclusion.
--------------------------------------------------------------
K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec.  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.karnataka,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: ***NEED COMEDY SCRIPTS FOR BENEFIT PERFORMANCE***
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: USA
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:03:50 CST

   Hello Folks!

      We are a student-run voluntary organization here in Madison
      that collects monetary donations and used clothes for distribution
      to needy children in India. Additionally, we plan to stage
      a benefit performance and are looking for comedy scripts in
      english.  Please contact Prabhu Balaraman at the above e-mail address
      if you do have a script ready and are willing to help.

   Thanks much
   On behalf of Tarang, Madison
   Prabhu Balaraman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: raja@mayo.edu (Raja Muthupillai, BIR Grad Student, Dr. Robb)
Subject: Re: Rescript the Tamil script?!
Reply-To: raja@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:04:13 GMT

In article 62047@mimsy.umd.edu, jayb@umiacs.umd.edu (Jay Bala) writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>Given that the tamil script has under gone "dramatic" changes, I have a thought:
>what if tamil scripts are modified to reflect simplicity and something that
>can be easily used for programing and far more easier to write than any other
>language out there (like short hand). Yet be able to be intergrated into
>tamil language over a period of 20 years.
>
  The restructuring of Tamil Script is long overdue.  I guess it should be a part
  of the overall restructuring of Tamil to suit the needs of the modern times and
  also with an eye towards meeting the demands of future.  I believe we can do this
  with the help of scholars who have progressive views.  This sure merits a lot of
  discussion and action, if tamil has to survive.  Remember the words of 
  Bharathi...

	...Mella Thamizh ini sagum.. andha
	     Melaik kalaigal puvi thanil Ongum..

  Thanks for bringing this up..

Sincerely,
Raja M.

>
>
>
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: TLS magazine - call for articles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:38:44 GMT

Articles are invited on the following subjects for publication in
SCTamil Literary Society Magazine, 'a'.

  (1). Original works by the  netters - like  poetry, short
       stories etc.
  (2). Translations  of poetry, short stories etc. by  Tamil  au-
       thors:
  (3). Reviews of  Tamil  novels, short  story  and  poetry
       collections.
  (4). Critical essays - originals by netters and translations.
  (5). Perspectives on Modern Tamil Literature -  history, style,
       trend etc.
  (6). Discussion on related subjects like theatre and other  art
       forms.
  (7). News clips on literary meetings, awards etc.
  (8). Interviews with writers and artists  -  conducted  by  the
       netters or taken from magazines.

 * The articles should be formatted to 65 columns.

 * The Tamil articles should be typed in ADAMI transliteration.

 * The articles may be sent to any one of the editorial committee
   members and will be scrutinised by all the  members to  decide
   the suitability of the article for publication.

 * If the articles are not authored by the contibutors, a  proper
   reference should be provided.

 * The short stories may be submitted in translation. However, it
   is suggested  to  submit poetry in  Tamil in  transliteration,
   preferably accopmanied by the translation.

 * When submitting a short story or a summary of a novel,  it  is
   suggested to include  excerpts  for  about  a  page  from  the 
   original Tamil work, such that the readers can have a feel for
   the style, power  of expression etc. of the original author.

 * Articles received till 20th day of every month will appear  in
   the following issue.

 * The December issue will carry the Literary Profile of
   Mahakavi, pioneer of Modern Tamil Poetry in Sri Lanka.

The articles may be mailed to any one of the following:


        Arul Suresh           GR8888@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
        Ramesh, Vaidhyanathan vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu
        Sundaramoorthy, M     sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
        Sundara Pandian       sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
        Vigneswaran           VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu

Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:55:59 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: It has been fun....
	<1992Nov19.143114.90650@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>

I have two simple questions for you(Mr. Parthasarathy):

1. Can you define the phrase 'gun culture'?

2. How much do you know about the situation in Eelam and Sri Lanka(its a
Sinhalase word) or what used to be Ceylon? In another words, do you
really know
the roots of the current war and what built up to it(including Including
India's messy input)? Keep in mind that India's involvement made it
worse than what it was. You talk about poor Muslims getting killed and
likening it to Holocaust without any basis at all. Again, how much do
you know about it? Since you brought a word associated with genocide,
have you EVER REALY tried to know what was and is still happening to
Tamils in Eelam? Have you ever heard the phrase 'cutural genocide' or
'ethnic genocide'?

If you can't answer these question, whatever you have to say is worth
just dirt.
Just another wise guy trying to act 'humanitarian.' As someone mentioned
before, if you know next to nothing about what we are facing, then it is
better to keep the noicy quirks to yourself.

-Suresh




Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: koduththathellam koduththaan avan......
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:39:34 GMT

koduththathellaam koduththaan avan yaarukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan

koduththathellaam koduththaan avan yaarukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan

maN kutisai vaasalenRal thenRal vara veRuththidumaa
maalai nilaa Ezhai enRaal veLichcham thara maRuththidumaa
unakkaaka onRum enakkaaka onRum oru pOthum theyvam koduththathillai

koduththathellaam koduththaan avan yaarukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan

padaiththavan mEl pazhiyum illai piriththavan mEl paavam illai
kidaithavarkaL piiriththu koNdaar uzhaiththavarkaL theruvil ninRaar
palar vaada vaada silar vaazha vaazha oru pOthum theyvam poRuththathillai

koduththathellaam koduththaan avan yaarukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan

illai enpOr irukkayilE iruppavarkal illai enpaar
madi niRaiya poruL irukkum manam niRaiya iruL irukkum
ethu vandha pOthum pothuvenRu vaiththu vaazhkinRa pErai vaazhthituvOm

koduththathellaam koduththaan avan yaarukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan
oruththarukkaa koduththaan illai oorukkaaka koduththaan

anpudan,

V R Kumar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: It has been fun....
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:03:35 GMT




In article <kat.722188148@sybok> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
 writes:
>In <1992Nov19.143114.90650@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> cen466p@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.a
u (S. Parthasarhathy) writes:

>>into it and paid the penalty. 1000+ soldiers, RG + 15 others died and
>>also it introduced the gun culture into TN.
>
>      Gun culture was in TN and Andra before Tigers and others. Naxalites
>had guns before. Moreover, India was not dragged into it. This is
>like the crocodile dragging the little tuna. Are you joking?
>


     A correction,  gun culture was not started by the naxalites.  Actually it
was the government standing for the established section of the Indian society
which started the gun culture.  Naxalites started using guns to defend the
people against the govt and later involved in occasional terrorism also.  But
the credit for the original terrorism goes to the govt only and the credit for 
the gun culture goes to the established section.


S. Sankarapandi
From: RDIWAKAR@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Deepavali Release
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:13:41 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Title : Paandiyan
Actors : Rajini, Kushboo, Janakaraaj, Jayasudhaaand CharaNraaj
Director : SP Muththuraaman
Music : ILLayaraajaa

Story : The movie starts with the viilain killing ChraNraaj (an IPS officer) in
his den at VEdhaaraNyam.  In the next sequence Rajini returns home from a self
imposed exile of eight years due to a quarrel between him and his sister
(Jayasudhaa, a police inspector).  As usual, Rajini gets involved in many
fights in order to save innocent people.  Jayasudhaa does not like Rajini's
activities and Rajini decides to live by himself.  Rajini meets Kushboo in
a hotel and Kushboo falls for Rajini.  Rajini finds out that his sister has
a baby girl through her boy-friend who is also an IPS officer and whose
whereabouts are unknown.  Kushboo's father appoints Rajini as the chief of
of hotel security and assigns him a job to deliver something important to
his friend at VEdhaaranyam.  This friend is none other than the villain we
met first.  There Rajini finds a bracelet of his friend Charanraaj.  Jayasudhaa
sees the bracelet and we come to know that her boy-friend is actually
CharaNraaj.  She gets posted to VEdhaaraNyam and tries to nab the villain.
The villain outsmarts her and discovers that Rajini is her brother.  Jayasudhaa
ends up in jail due to a con-job carried out by the villain.  We also learn
that Rajini is also an IPS officer (under cover) to investigate CharaNraaj's
whereabouts.  Rajini gets frustrated and sheds off his police uniform.  Hethen
manages to corner the villains and the movie has a happy ending.

This is a typical Rajini movie and designed for his die-hard fans.




Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:52:58 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: With wrath from Eelam:

That post was not intended for this b-board. Accidently, I typed the wrong
name..it was too late before I realized it. The content was targeted at
Sinhala hardliners. Not intended especially for TN Tamils.

So, sorry for the inconvenience it has caused.

-suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Relevance of Satyagraha
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:30:08 GMT




In article <1992Nov15.231418.2373@ultb.isc.rit.edu> akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.005257.17595@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ssankara@magnus
.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>>
>>
>
>( Thought provoking stuff deleted..)

     Friend, I thought you whould give some comments for this but you chose to 
delete them.


>
>>>
>>>    Nehru thought so, until China taught us otherwise. The best way
>>>    to avoid a war to be prepared. Wearing a helmet does not mean you
>>>    intend to make an accident.
>>>
>>
>>  The same way Srilankan Tamils think LTTE as helmet, Kashmiries think JKLF
                                  =====


>>as helmet and Andhra Pradesh poor peasants and tribals think PWG as helmet.
>>But unforunately hemet is under use because accidents are made deliberately.
>>
>
>C'mmon! These 'helmets' are never used to protect one's head.

          Kindly read the undelined word.  It is not my conclusion.  Whether we
like it or not, that is the truth.  Yes the SL Tamils think in that way,  
Kashmiris think in that way.  We may not like it.  But that is the TRUTH, my 
friend.


>

     some Indian establishement and media fabricated news (with 10 % truth in
the news about LTTE but 100 % lies about JKLF) deleted


>
>Kindly read my words again. I did not support hitting others head with the
>helmet.

     What about the IPKF helmet in Srilanka, Indian army helmet in Kashmir ?
I thought you hate the violence by anybody.


>
>- Arun.


S. Sankarapandi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Indian civilization being oldest
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 19 NOV 92 08:42:49    


In article <Af2sRjG00iV3E0uVc1@andrew.cmu.edu>, Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>>	You are wring here. The Aryan Invasion Theory has been disproved long
>>back, and it has been proved that the Aryans were in fact very much a
>>race of ethnic Indians.
> 
>Who has disproved it? (besides the BJP speaches)?
> 
>-suresh
> 

  1.	There is no evidence in our Hindu literature of such invasion.
	Ironically, the same literature has been interpreted in a racist
	way by the racists. It is no fault of the literature.

  2.	Many independent thinkers (no BJP members BTW) such as Swami
	Dayanada, Sri Aurobindo, Vivekanada etc have already
	rejected such theory even before BJP came into existence.

  3.	Recent historians are beginning to rethink and question the
	old-aged-outdated Aryan invasion theory.

  4.	As someone rightly said that it took nearly a half millineium for
	Christians to realize that earth is not flat, it will take atleast
	half that time to realize that there was no such invasion to
	historians_and_advocates_who_have_Christain_background_and_agenda_
	to derail Hinduism from its rightful place. These people fit
	archeological data to serve their purpose and that which does not
	fit, they simply pretend to ignore.

Keep that politics away from anthropology. Will you?

BJP propaganda alert!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Women... A Selfish, Narrow-minded Breed? (Ask Cho)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:03:06 GMT

kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>vaazhapazhthil oosi
>vaipathu pOl vaipaan.
>tamizhinaththin periya ethiri endRaal sO.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>  he is an example of puliththOl pOrththiya peRRam in vaLLuvar's kuRaL.
>                       ( a livestock that grazes your field with
>tigers skin wrapped around)

>Kathiravan
> 

Now that the judgment has been delivered, I suppose the
punishment phase will begin. - ganesh