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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders is NOT Thomas is NOT...
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep10.145345.16369@bnr.ca>
	<1992Sep10.173528.5603@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>
	<1992Sep10.194346.20651@bnr.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:22:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.194346.20651@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:

	 My point wasn't very clear, was it?  I meant to point out that alot
   of our OL players were kind of misfits, rejected by other teams, or unproven.
   I wasn't slamming any individual.  Compared to Detroits line, our OL, at least
   over Emmitt tenure, has not been well-respected around the league.  Detroit
   on the other hand, has had at least one lineman during Barry's tenure honor
   for his play.  The previous poster said he thought Barry would have been even
   better with Dallas' OLine (in his opinion).  My opinion is that Detroit's 
   line MAY have been better given the fact that they had more Pro Bowlers ( I
   was hoping to imply that professional peers, instead of news reporters and
   such, elected Mr. Brown gives my opinion a little credence_)

I avoided getting into a debate that went: "my line is worse than yours"
since it seems so silly.  But here we go.  Actually, the OL has never been a
strength for the Lions, with the possible exception of last year.  Lomas
Brown has gone to the pro bowl specifically because of his pass blocking in
the LT spot (what an appropriate name).  His run blocking is a bunch to speak
of.  The Detroit OL does almost *no* run blocking, and hasn't for the last
three years.  This is changing this year with Henning and the TE coming
along.  They have gotten away with picking up old veterans and low draft
picks and not asking them to do much: pass block on every down and give
Rodney a little time.  Even when Barry gets the ball, its almost always with
pass blocking ahead of him.  On the other hand, because of the wide outs and
the blocking scheme, these big open holes do frequently appear.  I kind of
think that Emmitt would be a pro-bowler in the Lions scheme with the Lions
OL.  I don't think either back would do nearly as well with the Lions OL and
a more traditional set of runblocking plays.

Bill
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Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 15:46:49 CET
From: RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Divisional standings


The following contains just facts (if I have got them right) and no
opinion. I leave the discussion to others (but please keep it nice)

Rene Zandbergen (RZANDBER @ ESOC.BITNET) (RCZ in 'the pool')

Divisional statistics for week  1
---------------------------------
AFC East     2-1  (1)
AFC Central  2-2  (3t)
AFC West     2-3  (5t)

NFC East     2-3  (5t)
NFC Central  3-2  (2)
NFC West     2-2  (3t)

AFC - NFC matchups for week  1
------------------------------
AFC - NFC     1 - 1

Cumulative divisional statistics up to week  1 (including)
----------------------------------------------------------
(as above)

Cumulative AFC - NFC matchups up to week  1 (including)
-------------------------------------------------------
(as above)
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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders is NOT Thomas is NOT...
Keywords: nn
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:13:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.194346.20651@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
>      My point wasn't very clear, was it?  I meant to point out that alot
>of our OL players were kind of misfits, rejected by other teams, or unproven.
>I wasn't slamming any individual.  Compared to Detroits line, our OL, at least
>over Emmitt tenure, has not been well-respected around the league.  Detroit
>on the other hand, has had at least one lineman during Barry's tenure honor
>for his play.  The previous poster said he thought Barry would have been even
>better with Dallas' OLine (in his opinion).  My opinion is that Detroit's 
>line MAY have been better given the fact that they had more Pro Bowlers ( I
>was hoping to imply that professional peers, instead of news reporters and
>such, elected Mr. Brown gives my opinion a little credence_)
>
>
>      Chill...please.  I've been a 'Boys fan for many a moon.  I didn't
>say anyone of them was bad, did I?  I just pointed out that there back-
>grounds look a little shaky...They are not as well respected as some of
>Detroit's OL have been 

I apologize for the mis-understanding.

Robert

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packers vs. Vikings
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  9 SEP 92 13:44:03    

In article <1992Sep8.224734.15223@mr.med.ge.com>, frigo@asiago.med.ge.com (Fred Frigo 5-5806) writes...

>The Packers ground game was more or less Vince Workman and it
>worked for the first half of play.  Then all the GB offensive
>linemen who held out got tired and in the second half, it got 
>pretty bleak.

[Deletions] 

>With less than 2 minutes to go in regulation the Packers
>had the ball, 3rd and goal at the 1.  They called some
>draw play and Workman lost 5 yards.  Then they took a field goal
>to send the game to OT at 20-20.

If I remember correctly they also had a 2nd and 1 situation in OT and 
failed to get a first down on 2 running plays.  (It's deja vu all 
over again - it's just like Infante's offense.)

The problem is that the Packers got most of their rushing yardage 
on trap plays.  When they had a short yardage situation that called 
for power football they were out of luck.

JGH
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: To Tony (on the NFC)
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:40:24 GMT

In article <BuDIou.Fvn@acsu.buffalo.edu> v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Hooked On Phonics) writes:

   Only the NFC would consider Detroit a strong team...the Bills had them beat with
   their back-ups.

   Sorry, just had to be said.

Wake up.  We've gone over this.  Detroit was playing a few second stringers that
day as well.  Besides, look it up.  Neither the Bills starters nor the
backups won that game.


Bill
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: missing camp (was Re: Cowboys beat Redskins: 23-10
Keywords: eat more untrained moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:52:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.233616.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
|> In article <latla1INNg67@langtry.cs.utexas.edu>, joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel Just) writes:
|> > Interestingly, (if that's a word), Michael Irvin, despite his recent signing,
|> > led the team with 5 receptions for 89 yards.
|> 
|> All this dire talk of holdouts not being ready for the season kinda looks
|> silly now, huh?  If I was a football player with talent like Irvin or Rice,
|> why NOT hold out of training camp and preseason?  It's a lot easier on my body,
|> and the coach will still play me in the real games.  And you'll get a better
|> salary in the bargain, too.
|> 


tell that to Rypien and Lachey, both considered to have loads of talent
at their respective positions.  They played like crap.

And, yes, Rypien does have that scared Rabbit look he had in '90.

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From: johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vegas says Cowboys -2.5
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:02:16 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <5174@gold.gvg.tek.com> I say:	
>After watching the Giants !perform against the 'niners, and
>the Cowboys handle the 'skins, I couldn't help but notice
>that Vegas has Dallas favored by 2 1/2 in this Sunday's 
>Cowboys/Dallas contest. 

Ok ..it's late. Make that Cowboys/Giants.
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders is NOT Thomas is NOT...
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep10.194346.20651@bnr.ca> <56066@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:15:56 GMT

In article <56066@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

   In article <1992Sep10.194346.20651@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
   >In article <1992Sep10.173528.5603@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
   >|> In article <1992Sep10.145345.16369@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
   >|> but your attempt to put down the Cowboys OL shows that either you know 
   >|> nothing about football except for stats or that you just want to bash the
   >|> Cowboys.
   >|>
   >
   >      Chill...please.  I've been a 'Boys fan for many a moon.  I didn't
   >say anyone of them was bad, did I?  I just pointed out that there back-


   Now they're even calling each other Cowboy bashers. I'm amazed Bill Manigione-
   Smith didn't jump on this one before I did.


I glad somebody noticed my restraint.  See!  I really don't respond to all
the Cowboy's articles.

Bill
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From: ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall)
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Organization: Fidelity Management & Research Co.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:44:57 GMT


I can't believe that anyone likes Madden.  He is SO bad.
He gets all the facts wrong (watch his replays, at least
50% of the time the players don't go where he drew the
line).  He can't speak english....

It is disgusting, but then all commercial tv is revolting.

If only I didn't like football then I wouldn't have to put
up with the moronic announcers.
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: GIANTS ........ ARRRRRGGGGHHH !!
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:26:41 GMT

John P. Gloria (jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM) wrote:
> In article <6SEP199219273412@zeus.tamu.edu> mcs4041@zeus.tamu.edu (SHARAT SHEKHAR) writes:
> >
> >	is it time to fire Handley or what ??!!
> >
> >	How the fuck could a team that won a superbowl 2 seasons ago (and that
> >goal line defense that stuffed the niners at the 1 yd line was a reminder) end
> >up in this sort of fucking mess .............
> >
> >	FUCK EVERYTHING ... sorry but i'm, in a nasty mood
> >
> >	and pardon the f---ing language.
> >
> It happens to all of them at one time or another.  There was
> some hard hitting going on both sides and the defense on the
> Niner's, set the tone.  With four possible offensive threats on 
> the Niner's side, they could have been just about any team
> today.
> -- 
>         ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>  		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
> 	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain

Don't forget how badly the giants play against the 9ers. The last few
encounters have been won by the leg of Matt Bahr. For some reason, The
giants never do that well against the 9ers (i though that Haley had
something to do with it, but throw that out the window now).

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  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
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From: williamf@umbc4.umbc.edu (TheBigBopper)
Subject: Isn't it time to change the name 'Redskins'?
Followup-To: dc.redskins
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:52:15 GMT


  ***Exerpted from another article on the net***

>A national coalition of Native American leaders took the first step 
>yesterday in a process to attempt to get the federal government to cancel 
>its registration and protection of the trademark term "Redskins" and 
>ultimately persuade Jack Kent Cooke (the Redskins' owner) to change 
>the name of his football team.  The term "Redskins" was first registered 
>in 1967.  Federal trademark law and related case law clearly prohibit
>trademark registration of words that are offensive or disparaging.
>
>Cooke said, "I intend not to do anything about it [changing the name 
>of the team].  I admire the Redskins name.  I think it stands for bravery, 
>courage and a stalwart spirit and I see no reason why we shouldn't continue 
>to use it."
>

  Nowadays I try to never use the word 'Redskins' when referring to the
  Washington football team.  While I am a fan of the team I truly believe
  that the name is derogatory and unfairly trivializes a group of fellow 
  American citizens.  I have written to the Washington team and after reading
  of this effort I am going to write the US Patent Office (assuming they are
  the ones to write to) and I hope some of you folks will join me in conveying
  to JKC that many native americans know the history of the word and are deeply
  offended by its continuing use.
  I'm curious about how others feel about the use of the name.  If you email me
  with your vote I'll tabulate an informal poll on the results....either vote
  to keep the name or vote to change it.
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Offensive & Defensive Players of the Week for week 1?
Date: 12 Sep 1992 18:15:10 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <BuH6v4.7EL@acsu.buffalo.edu> riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>Has anyone heard who the Offensive & Defensive Players of the Week
>are for week 1 for each of the AFC and NFC?  I've been looking
>in clarinews and the newspaper, as well as listening to the 
>sports broadcasts on TV and I haven't heard a thing.  Usually,
>those things are out by Wednesday after the games.

Off the top of my head...

NFC - O - Emmitt Smith (DAL)
NFC - D - Chris Doleman (VIK)
AFC - O - Thurman Thomas (BUF)
AFC - D - Chip Banks (IND)


I am pretty sure about all but Thomas....

*ice*

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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Re: Great Raider QB...NOT!!
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:33:48 GMT
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

In article <1992Sep8.014602.15454@husc3.harvard.edu>, bribiesc@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
|> Can someone please, please, please tell me why Jay Schroeder is **STILL**
|> the starting QB of the Raiders???  Come on Al, wake up and smell the kitchen
|> 'cause its'a burnin'!!  
|> 
|>  *************************SILVER & BLACK FOREVER, BABY..**********************
Because they were dumb enough to get rid of Steve Beurlin ( I think 
that's how you spell it ).
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Buffalo television\
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:07:15 GMT

In article <Bu8sAy.9w@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>In article <Bu8rxC.Muu@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes...
>
>[...]
>
>>Believe it or not i'm from this area so take chill pill. I just don't 
>>understand why this FUCKING city must always exclude other games from telecast
>>this also includes NBA games. I would have liked to see the Jets lose their
>>first game, but this FUCKING city must have decided to make the choice for
>>us. And if you can't tell I HATE the Jets.
>
>Like someone else mentioned - there are some strange clauses in the TV
>contracts with the NFL. If I'm correct, the rule is that the TV station
>broadcasting the local home game cannot broadcast a double-header. Why?
>I don't know.
>
>It's got nothing to do with Buffalo. It applies to all NFL cities.
>

Jeez.... Bicker, bicker, bicker. Reminds me of something... I just
can't put my finger on it.... 

Let me ask a question. Are there sports bars up there???? 

Tony (go cleveland) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills vs. 49er's
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep14.044825.2214@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.021608.27388@math.ucla.edu>, rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
 
>>3) Do San Fran fans still claim that the Bills defense is weak??
 
>Hmmm...after gaining nearly 600 yards against it today, I think the
>answer is "YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>
>>If so then theirs is non-existant.
>
>Both defenses were non-existent today. I've never seen such 
>soft coverage in the secondary.

   There is one difference though : the Bills D was facing a conventional 
   (albeit superb) offense and gave up 600 yards. The Niners D was 
   facing a no-huddle and that was a first for a lot of the players 
   especially all the rooks in the secondary. Further the Niners D is
   based a lot on situational substitution a la Seifert and the transition
   seemed really painful. 

   So what does this mean ? It means that Buffalo should be incredibly
   worried about their defense. The way they were leaving receivers
   wide open could happen against ANYONE if they play like that. If
   they're going to let a (relatively) conventional offense rip them
   to shreds like that what will do against the run-and-shoot teams ?
   Especially Houston ? 

   The Niners should be worried too but on the plus side for them 
   1. They don't face any more no-huddle teams. 
   2. The face run-and-shoot Atlanta twice but the Falcons don't have
      Thurman Thomas for the Niners to worry about constantly.
   3. They face Miami but with Clayton out and no running game this
      doesn't seem much of a threat.
   4. Their secondary is full of youngsters (plus one OLB) and they
      can only improve. 
   
>>4) How good is Buffalo this year? 
>
>Very good. I suspect they'll go to the Super Bowl again, unless Houston
>knocks them off.

   Both Houston and KC have a good shot. KC can pound the Buffalo 
   D into the ground with their running game and Houston has an 
   excellent defense now that Dishman is back.

 
>>6) Are the same turkeys that rip up my other posts going to take a shot 
>>at this one ?

   Aren't you (Ronald Fedkiw) the same guy whose level of rational 
   argument comprises calling people who don't agree with you 'morons' ?
 
   Ashu Rege
From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Phoenix Fans: Help!! Please!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I need to find out what happened to I.L.Brown the Cardinal R.B.
He carried 4 times for 0 yards vs. TAMPA.
Is he STRICTLY going to be used in back-up roles?
Will he start?	When?	If not, Why? He did well in P-season!

It's FFL and my partner's really pissed at me!!!

Please help me or you may never hear of me again.
"Luco Brazzi is swimmin' with the fishes!!!	Know what I mean.

To help, E-mail:
v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
or post PLEASE!!!
Gotta go!!!	The Godfather's Calling!!!
He's gonna make me an offer I can't refuse!!!
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: taunting and crushing egos
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:20:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.002834.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.14.716045470@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU>, Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Evil Sheriff of Dodge City) writes:
>> During the 9ers/NYG game, I believe there were 2 taunting calls. 15yard
>> loss.  (how are you supposed to be psyched up as a defense and 
>> suppress yourself at the same time)
>> 
>> Is this the same as "unsportsman-like conduct"? Can someone clarify the 
>> taunting thing for me.
>> 
>> Are they paying special attention to this topic this season?
>> I didnt watch any other games, and was wondering if this was something 
>> that is getting more attention this season.
>> 
>> Adriene L. Nazaretian        
>> Yale University              
>> ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
>> ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  
>============================
>I gotta say I think the taunting rule is for wimps... you've got huge guys 
>out there putting each other in the hospital and a ref penalizes someone 
>for playing like a cowboy with his 6 shooters?  From Ali to the early Bobby 
>Fischer, they recognized that the game is not a sterile exhibition but one 
>inwhich you try, in Fischer's words, "crush his ego." When you've done 
>that, the rest will follow. These sports are mental too and if you can 
>distract your opponent, that's part of the game.  
>
>skip

RIGHT ON!
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  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
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From: jlawlor@ptdi12.intel.com (Jay Lawlor ~)
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Reply-To: jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com
Organization: Intel Portland Technology Development
	<1992Sep15.054736.24375@PacBell.COM>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:24:25 GMT


>      So if the score is 31 to 34, and Cofer is called. They expect
>      him to make the field goal. Thats what they paid for.
>      If he misses more than a couple, better get rid of him. It
>      did wonders for Norwood and Johnson.
> 
John> Hey, if it is 2:07 left to play, it is the QB's responsibility 
John> to drive down the field and win the damn game.  The team's 
John> inability to score is not the fault of the kicker. On this
John> particular game, the Niners had their opportunities to WIN
John> the game. They should not have to rely on a kicker to bail them out.

So why have a kicker at all if you're not supposed to rely on him?
Boy I'd love to have the job in that case.  

Coach: "Hey Jay, we're going to drive down and have you kick the ball.
If you miss it's no big deal because it's our fault for not getting a
TD."

Me: "OK, coach.  I really don't feel much like kicking today but I'll
give it a shot."

Coach: "No problem, just come in and get your paycheck on Monday and
we'll work out an extension to your contract." 

:^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) 

So maybe it's not correct to say Cofer lost the game for them but
rather that a good kicker would have won the game for them.
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