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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Directory Enquiries
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Distribution: uk
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:23:51 GMT


In article <1992Dec23.105449.20346@its.bt.co.uk>, tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham) writes...
>In article <Steve.00nd@donald.demon.co.uk> Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert) writes:
>>Will Directory enquiries give out a fax number?
>>I'm after the fax number of Miracom Technology Ltd. The one I've got is wrong.
> 
>Well, unless BT is told what equipment is on the end of a line, they won't know.
>There used to be a UK Fax directory, back in the days of <500K fax machines, but
>it'd be too big.
> 
Well there's more than 500K telephones and there's phone books for them.
Perhaps BT could consider selling books of fax addresses and putting the
books onto CD ROM like the phone books. Sounds like it might make some 
money. Please don't sell the info to people who send out junk faxes though.

Craig.

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Directory Enquiries
Distribution: uk
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Organization: Private Internet/Usenet node.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:37:55 +0000

In article <1992Dec23.105449.20346@its.bt.co.uk> tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham) writes:
> In article <Steve.00nd@donald.demon.co.uk> Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert) writes:
> >Will Directory enquiries give out a fax number?
> >I'm after the fax number of Miracom Technology Ltd. The one I've got is wrong.
> 

> The simple solution is to telephone the company that you wish to fax and ask them
> for their fax number. This may have the advantage of allowing you send the fax 
> to the most appropriate machine.
> 

I have been telephoning, but got no reply over the last couple of days.

I now have the correct fax number -  Thanks to those who replied to my
mailbox.

Merry Christmas...

Regards,

Steve.
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: richard@venus.demon.co.uk (Richard Leake)
Reply-To: richard@venus.demon.co.uk
Subject: Books...
Comments: With best wishes for a prosperous 1993.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:57:58 +0000

Hi,

I am trying to get hold of a copy of "The Whole Internet" by Ed. Krol.

When I ask at the book shops in Nottingham all I get is a blank stare -
after repeating myself about three times, they get busy
typing/micro-fiching and then I get the same answer "We don't have any
record of that book existing, are you sure?".

Could a kind soul out there in netland please let me have the:

    Full Title
    Full Author
    Publisher
    Price

    and ISBN Number.

Does anyone know where I can get a copy quickly (I'm impatient), by post
if need be rather than having to wait 6 weeks for an order to materialize?

Also if anyone out there has got a copy of it, could they please drop me a
few lines outlining what it covers and their oppinion of it.

Many thanks,

Richard.

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu (Graham Allan)
Subject: Re: UK dialtone detection/Digicom Scout+ 
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:42:41 GMT

In article <726104476snz@yoyodyne.demon.co.uk> dave@yoyodyne.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.181049.6265@news2.cis.umn.edu> alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu writes:
>
>>The modem is plugged directly into a BT socket; though it has been said
>>before on this group that the RJ-11 socket wiring differs between the US
>>and UK, the modem seems to work without any wiring modifications (perhaps
>>it's socket is wired to allow both variations?).
> 
>This is strange RJ-11 sockets do not exist in the UK. You can find 'phones
>with them on in the UK but the actual scoket on the wall will at most have
>at BT style Series 600 socket, however what I suspect needs checking is the
>cable that goes from the modem to the BT socket this may be wired wrong.

Sorry, I did make that a bit unclear! I did in fact mean the RJ-11 socket
on the modem, which is connected to the line by a standard BT plug - RJ-11
cable (Borrowed from a BT phone...). I had heard that the wires in the
cable should be swapped (inner 2 <-> outer 2) and was wondering if this
might be the problem - it seems strange to me that the modem should work
fine in every respect except detecting the dial tone, despite reports of
this modem being able to understand the UK dial tone.

Graham

Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Yellow pages on the net ????
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Distribution: uk
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:21:57 GMT


In article <BywnyF.5s3@cen.ex.ac.uk>, cs92ck@cen.ex.ac.uk writes...
>Hello, dear telecom-experts !
> 
>My question is a very simple one:
> 
>Is it possible to access to Yellow Pages of this country somewhere in the net?
> 
Yes. Make a reverse charge call to the following PSS DTE:

234273402002

it's free! 
Press return and follow the instructions

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Subject: Re: PhoneBase 
Distribution: world
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:12:02 +0000

In article <1992Dec31.233039.12020@news2.cis.umn.edu> alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu writes:

>So, it would seem, you can't look up British Telecom on their own computer
>system.

On the old (mid 1908s) DQ terminals at exchanges, you would enter BTEL for
British Telecom in the name field.
>

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From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Electric Shock..
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:29:37 GMT

In article <9212252203.aa15383@gate.demon.co.uk> karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk (karl) writes:
>I dialed a number this morning, and upon hitting the last digit, I received
>an electric shock from the handset (the handset *is* the phone); only a small
>one but enough to make me nearly drop the phone.
>
>I thought telephones only worked with very low voltages, so I'm curious as to
>what may have caused this; I suspect some sort of 'power spike' on the line;
>is this possible?  This only occured once and the line is perfectly OK, however
>the phone appears to be damaged and now refuses to dial out!
>
>Any ideas what could have happened?

You probably just dropped 25kV static into your phone!  Bv<

Damon
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Stephen Hebditch)
Subject: Re: Will we ever get free local phone calls?
Keywords: free local rate calls, AT&T
Organization: TQM Communications, London, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:00:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.233531.28380@lut.ac.uk> J.P.Knight@lut.ac.uk (Jon P. Knight) writes:
>On a related topic, I remember reading in comp.dcom.telecom (back in the
>old days before uk.telecom when I had to wade through mounds of American
>gumpf to read the odd pearl about the British phone system) a suggestion
>that in the future there would be one flat rate for telephone calls
>*everywhere* (local, national, international; the works).

I seem to vaguely remember reading in the BT technical magazine some
months back about research being done at Martlesham into a switchless
optical telecommunications system along those lines. The magazines are
all at another location though so someone else will have to fill in the
details...

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Subject: Re: BT's profit-lowering scheme 
Distribution: world
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:44:39 +0000

In article <725590415snx@sound.demon.co.uk> rob@sound.demon.co.uk writes:

>Does anyone have the 'official' statement re. BT's requirement by Oftel (?) to
>keep their profits down ?
>i.e. 6% (?) below inflation or whatever..
>Have BT made any pronouncements as to whether this will be a lowering of
>charges across the board, or a few gimmicks here & there ?
>
As long as the overall "basket" of services complies with Oftel's ruling, BT
are in the clear.
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From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Directory Enquiries
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75DCE4D40010855@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 23 Dec 92 08:05:33 GMT
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:07:04 GMT

In article <Steve.00nd@donald.demon.co.uk> Steve Gilbert,
Steve@donald.demon.co.uk writes:
>I'm after the fax number of Miracom Technology Ltd. The one I've got is
wrong.

I don't know if this is the one you have, but try 0753 811191 (from my 
modem manual)

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From: J.P.Knight@lut.ac.uk (Jon P. Knight)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Will we ever get free local phone calls?
Keywords: free local rate calls, AT&T
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:35:31 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Dept of Comp. Studies, Loughborough University of Tech., UK.
Originator: jon@hill.lut.ac.uk

I remember discussing the future of the British telephone system a few
years ago with a chap who said that some places had brought dial back
modems which were just waiting for AT&T to come and start a free local
phone service.  This evening, whilst walking back from the pub, a friend
brought up exactly this question.

Now I seem to remember reading somewhere that AT&T were involved in one
of those new telephone operations (the ones the Post Office, the CEGB,
BR and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all seemed to be getting in on).  So what
became of the free local phone calls?  Will it ever happen?  I know it
is done in America but is it just a historical thing or does it actually
pay its way (I'd guess that under some Government regulation here it
would have to)?  Would BT or Mercury be allowed to do this by OFTEL?

On a related topic, I remember reading in comp.dcom.telecom (back in the
old days before uk.telecom when I had to wade through mounds of American
gumpf to read the odd pearl about the British phone system) a suggestion
that in the future there would be one flat rate for telephone calls
*everywhere* (local, national, international; the works).  Does anyone
here think that this will happen?  Personally, I think its a very good
idea and would probably make the Phone companies money in the long run
as people would not think about whether they were phoning Auntie in the
States or the local pizza-hut, even though one would be much more likely
to take longer anyway.  It would also be jolly handy for us computer
chaps.

Well, facts or thoughts anybody?

Jon


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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Books...
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:42:23 GMT

In article <1084.richard@venus.demon.co.uk> richard@venus.demon.co.uk writes:
:I am trying to get hold of a copy of "The Whole Internet" by Ed. Krol.
:
:When I ask at the book shops in Nottingham all I get is a blank stare -
:after repeating myself about three times, they get busy
:typing/micro-fiching and then I get the same answer "We don't have any
:record of that book existing, are you sure?".

I take it you don't take the demon local groups?  Someone there had
just imported a couple of dozen after asking everyone at demon if they
wanted a copy.  Someone else also posted the name of some UK shop that
had them in.

G
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom,uk.test,demon.local
Subject: Re: Directory Enquiries
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:54:49 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <Steve.00nd@donald.demon.co.uk> Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert) writes:
>Will Directory enquiries give out a fax number?
>I'm after the fax number of Miracom Technology Ltd. The one I've got is wrong.

Well, unless BT is told what equipment is on the end of a line, they won't know.
There used to be a UK Fax directory, back in the days of <500K fax machines, but
it'd be too big.

I presume that DQ gives out the number they have been requested to by the subscribing
organisation, which will normally be a phone number.

The simple solution is to telephone the company that you wish to fax and ask them
for their fax number. This may have the advantage of allowing you send the fax 
to the most appropriate machine.

My opinions, not BT's.

	Tim.
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: rob@sound.demon.co.uk (Robert J Barth)
Subject: BT's profit-lowering scheme
Reply-To: rob@sound.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: Sound & Vision BBS (UK) 0932 252323
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:53:35 +0000

Does anyone have the 'official' statement re. BT's requirement by Oftel (?) to
keep their profits down ?
i.e. 6% (?) below inflation or whatever..
Have BT made any pronouncements as to whether this will be a lowering of
charges across the board, or a few gimmicks here & there ?

cheers
-rob-

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu (Graham Allan)
Subject: UK dialtone detection/Digicom Scout+
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:10:49 GMT


I recently brought to the UK for a friend, a Digicom Scout+ V32bis
fax/modem. It seems to be a great modem, the only problem being that it
does not seem to detect the UK dial tone. This is on a digital exchange
(St.Andrews). Though it can of course be set to dial blind, I'm told that
other users of this modem, in London, don't have this problem. Does anyone
have any idea why we might be finding this?

The modem is plugged directly into a BT socket; though it has been said
before on this group that the RJ-11 socket wiring differs between the US
and UK, the modem seems to work without any wiring modifications (perhaps
it's socket is wired to allow both variations?).

Graham Allan

Newsgroups: uk.telecom,uk.test,demon.local
From: Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert)
Subject: Directory Enquiries
Distribution: uk
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Organization: Private Internet/Usenet node.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:30:56 +0000


Will Directory enquiries give out a fax number?

I'm after the fax number of Miracom Technology Ltd. The one I've got is wrong.

Steve.

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk (Richard Cox)
Subject: Directory Enquiries                     
Cc: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:14:00 +0000

In article <Steve.00nd@donald.demon.co.uk> Steve@donald.demon.co.uk
(Steve Gilbert) writes:

>>  Will Directory enquiries give out a fax number?
>>  I'm after the fax number of Miracom Technology Ltd.
>>  The one I've got is wrong.

After a number of difficulties with a "fax directory" that was published FOR
BT by a firm called Hutton and Rostron, BT decided to do the job themselves,
by putting the numbers in the existing Phone Books.

It was a fairly recent decision, and although some new issues of Phone Books
have come out since that decision was taken,  the policy was not promulgated
widely enough for customers to realise that they needed to advise BT locally
of any fax numbers they wanted to be included in the new-style books.   As a
result not many fax numbers are shown in the phone books (or in consequence,
available through Directory Enquiries). I guess that will eventually change.

Richard D G Cox

Mandarin Technology, Cardiff Business Park, Llanishen, CARDIFF, Wales CF4 5WF
Voice: +44 222 747111      Fax: +44 222 711111      VoiceMail: +44 399 870101
E-mail: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk     Not diallable on 511 in mainland USA
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: dave@fusk.demon.co.uk (David Brooke)
Subject: CellNet/Vodaphone Channel Info 
Distribution: world
Organization: None
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:42:24 +0000


In article <MIKEC.92Dec15144224@cantor.praxis.co.uk> mikec@praxis.co.uk writes:

>How would one go about finding information as to which channels
>are allocated to a given CellNet or Vodaphone base station ?

Since the network operator would allocate these to allow maximum re-use of
frequencies across the network only they would know.

>Does a base station carry a block of channels or do they have a
>random selection to choose from ?

It's a 7 cell re-use pattern so it's likely that channels on a given site
would be multiples of 7 apart but since in practice the cell sizes vary
widely this may not always be true.

>Presumably the channel info must be published somewhere ?

The only channels defined in the spec are the 'dedicated control channels'
which are 21 contiguous channels starting at channel 23 and 323 (one block
for each system). This allows 3 channels per cell to allow sub-division by
120 degree sectored antennas. These channels carry 'overhead information'
which tell the mobile where the corresponding 'paging' and 'access' channel
blocks are to be found if these are different from the dedicated ones. Voice
channels will be designated at call setup time on 'access' channels.

That's a fairly high level overview which ignores the further complication of
E-TACS and is from memory of about 5 years ago. If you want more info I have
the spec somewhere.

Dave
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From: josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Junior Cards
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:50:09 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com

Iread with interest the post about "Junior charge cards". In 
the U.S. we have many phone cards and you can order a card
that calls only one number. The switches are all programmed for
it. As far as the complaint about the numbers on the card all
BTI has to do is to generate a random number and give the users
a PIN number. that seems to work well. In the U.S. we have a law
that limits our loss in case of a lost or stolen card being used.
The max. we can be made to pay is $50. The same goes for credit cards.
AT&T tried a few years ago to say this law did not include them. I
understand that they were sued and it was upheld that the law does
apply to them. The UK could have as many neat services as they want
from what I have seen. the problem is bureaucratic not technical.

I enjoy reading your news group, I wish our telecom problems were
only as simple.

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