From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: Australian cricket season starts ......
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 03:18:54 GMT

In article <12OCT199216542273@zeus.tamu.edu> m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.223135.15086@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU>, kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes...
>>In article <1992Oct9.063911.22291@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct9.032838.18523@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>>>>
>>>Though this may seem baised, Pakistan though already "world champions in 
>>>one day cricket" may also lay calims to be "test cricket world champions"
>>>and if no than atleast the "Most Unpredictable Exciting Coming from 
>>>near cricket team in the World" ( just like montana's 49er's, for you American
>>>football fans)
>>>
>> 
>>Indeed, the West Indies are th test cricket world champs. Do not
>>decide on their present form. I can also say that Pakistan are
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>>ex-one day cricket world champs based on their present form after
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>being thrashed by England in the One day internationals. So, do not
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>judge a team based on their present form.   
>
>
>	you must be out of your mind to suggest that Pakistan are 
>Ex-OD Champs. The WC decided the championship for the next 4 years
>and no matter how bad Pak plays they will remain OD CHAMPS till '97. 

Ofcourse, Pakistan will be called the World Champs till 1997 even if
they are defeated by all the cricket playing nations in the future.
I did not say that Pakistan are Ex-World Champs. It was just to point
out that I can also say so since one of our friend mentioned " Given
the present form of the Windies, they are not the test cricketing
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Champs". Do do not judge a team based on its present form.

>	regarding, being thrashed by england in ODs... every body
>knows how much home advantage counts(specially home umpires). If
>I am not mistaken, there were few very doubtful lbws in the 
>second OD at a point when inzamam and javed were doing pretty good.

So, do u accept that Pakistan's victory in all the matches held in
pakistan is because of its umpires ?? By the way, why are other
country cricketers afraid of playing matches in Pakistan ?? Is it 
because they are afraid of the cricketers, or the umpires and the
crowd ?

OK, lets forget the second one day. Still England won 3-1. England 
created history by scoring the maximum runs ever by a team.
Do not give lame excuses for the loss of a team. Accept that the team
which won played better.

>
>	Anyways, I believe the present pakistan team is THEEE best among 
>all and on a neutral soil with neutral umpires it can beat any team in 
>a series of either Tests or ODs.I am not talking about a single match,
>like the one played in a baseball dome.

By the way, on what planet do we have Neutral soil ???


I agree that Pakistan is THEEEEEEE best team in test and one day cricket.

The world champs recent records in one day cricket :

1. Lost to W.Indies in the One day(3) series in pakistan (1991).

2. Lost to 1. West Indies
           2. India
           3. South Africa
           
   and clinched the World Cup title.

3. All out for 74 against England and earned a point which helped
   them to enter the semi-finals of the world cup.

4. Thrashed by England 4-1 in the One day Series (1992).

The above shows that Pakistan is THEEEE best team in one day
internationals.


>
>	just a reminder, in 1983 when india won the WC, it got a real
>thrashing, I mean REAL THRASHING, at the hands of WI IN INDIA. I 
>think WI won all the 5 or 6 ODs and also the test series without 
>any loss. Now, that was embarassing......loosing at home.
>	No body at that time suggested declaring india EX-Champs---
>even tho india was never the favourite to win in the first place. 

India was not a favourite to win the 1983 world cup. But it was
not as lucky as Pakistan to win the world cup. Those who commented
that India won the 1983 world cup by fluke, India proved it was not
by winning the 1985 Mini World Cup by defeating all its opponents.


I can agree that Pakistan is one of the best in one day cricket, but
not the best in one day cricket.

I wish Pakistan proves its power in one day cricket when it plays
West Indies, Australia and South Africa this year.


Cheers,

Ramkumar
 
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