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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:30:07 EDT
Reply-To:     L Irakliotis <IRAKLIOT@MIAMIU.BITNET>
From:         L Irakliotis <IRAKLIOT@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: *ekpedeusn stnv Ellada.
Comments: To: Tseligas koumparos <LPETROPO@SBCCVM.BITNET>

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:59:15 EDT Tseligas koumparos said:
>          [...]          POSOI APO SAS PHGAN SE FRONTHSTHRIO ????
>Nai dev lew n paidia stnv Ellada eivai polu advance isws n pio advance
>stov kosmo, alla apavtnste parakalo sta epomeva:
>1) Mnpws parafortwvoume tnv uln kai deivoume to prassivo fws stnv parapaidia?
>2) H mnpws oi ka0ngntes dev evdiaferovtai sto va paratnsouv ta kakogrammeva
>   biblia kai va dwsouv pio qualitative lectures me apotelesma va eisagete kai
>   o Ellnvas tou lukeiou pou dev pnge frovtnstnrio?

Kat'arxhn yparxei  mia merida  mauhtwn poy eisagontai  sta panepisthmia
dixws na  exoyn pathsei to podi  toys se frontisthrio. O  plhuysmos ths
meridas ayths  einai arketa megalos gia  na mporesei kaneis na  pei pws
prokeitai gia ejairesh ston kanona.

To problhma entopizetai mallon sthn prokatalhch pws gia na peraseis sto
panepisthmio ua  prepei na  pas sto  frontisthrio. An  ejairesei kaneis
thn trith lykeioy opoy mas epese  enas _malakas_ fysikos, se kamia allh
periptwsh den einai kapoia  diafora metajy frontisthriakoy daskaloy kai
daskaloy sto lykeio.

Se telikh  analysh, ti parapanw  prosferei to frontisthrio;  Paparia. H
monh diafora  me mia tajh  lykeioy, einai o mikroteros  ariumos mauhtwn
sta   "kleista"   tmhmata.   Ti    perissotera   prosonta   exei   enas
frontisthriarxhs apo enan omhliko  toy kauhghth lykeioy; Tipota nomizw,
sto meso oro.

Omws poios  gonios tolma na  ricokindynecei to mellon toy  paidioy toy;
Mporei to paidi na ta kataferei kai  mono toy, alla as to steiloyme sto
frontisthrio gia  kalo kai gia kako.  Kai bebaiws o gonios  oydepote ua
diamartyrhuei gia thn  poiothta enos kauhghth sto  lykeio. Antiuetws ua
exei kaue dikaiwma  na balei tis fwnes ston  frontisthriarxh. Ton prwto
"den ton  plhrwnei" enw  ton deytero ton  plhrwnei. Tetoia  blakeia mas
dernei.

>P.S. To 0ewrw apotuxeia va exoume ma0ntes sta frovtnstnria duo kalokairia
>     priv tis eisagwgikes prwi kai bradi, gia va kator0wsouv kati pou n
>     fobern uln twv Lukeiwv mas eprepe va eixe kataferei.

Exeis problhmatistei  an einai  anagkaia h paroysia  toys ekei,  'h soy
arkei sto gegonos kai den koitas ta aitia;

>P.S. Yparxouv kai paidakia edw stnv Amerikn pou teleiwvouv AMERIKANIKO
>     gymvasio kai 3erouv va grafouv compilers, evw uparxouv Ellnves Graduate
>     ma0ntes (Engineers) pou dev 3erouv va doulepsouv.......se DOS (gia va mnv
>     pw oti dev exouv dei computer stnv zwn tous)

Ena paidaki  apo thn Ellada poy  hjere na grafei compiles  katelhje sth
sxolh  Ikarwn kai  meta sto  Fysiko Iwanninwn  epeidh den  yphrxe kamia
diadikasia sthn Ellada wste na  proballei ayto poy pisteye gia talento.
Exeis skeftei pote an sthn  Ellada yparxoyn tipota "science fairs" opws
edw  wste na  mporesoyn  ta  paidakia na  proballoyn  ta talenta  toys?

Exeis  epishs skeftei  pws  oi  foithtes mhxanikoi  poy  den jeroyn  na
doyleyoyn DOS to kanoyn apo proswpikh epilogh kai oxi apo katanagkasmo;
Egw  to  kalokairi  toy  '91   prosferuhka  sto  aristoteleio  na  kanw
eisagwgika seminaria  sto neo VAX9000  poy eixane balei ekei  kai fetos
toys eipa pws mporw na toys kanw  seminaria se TeX alla amfiballw an ua
breuei kanenas na katsei Ioynio mhna na dei deka pragmata.

>     Gi'auto to movo pou exw va pw eivai mnv protrexete se sugkriseis twv duo
>     systnmatwv. Edw ama 0es otav eisai sto gymnasio mporeis va pareis oti
>     ma0nma 0eleis. Gia rwtnste kati Amerikavakia tou MIT ti ekavav otav ntav
>     sto gumnasio edw????

Esy rwthses ta  ellhnakia toy Aristoteleioy, twn  Iwanninwn, ths Krhths
kai  allwn  panepisthmiwn  ti  ekanan; O  ypofainomenos  eftiaje  4bito
ypologisth   apo  to   tipota   kai  meta   ton   efodiase  me   glwssa
programmatismoy.  To 1979 ayta.

Pisteyw pws ta ellhnakia exoyn  tis idies dynatothes me t'amerikanakia,
ta kinezakia, ta argentinakia, ta  roymanakia kai ta loipa -akia, aplws
se  kaue  xwra  diaferoyn  oi  mhxanismoi  prowuhshs.  Sthn  Ellada  oi
mhxanismoi  prowuhshs briskontai  synhuws  sta  panepisthmia, enw  sthn
Amerikh briskontai sta School District  kai State Science Fairs kai sta
Undergraduate Recruitment  offices twn  panepisthmiwn. H  diafora einai
pws  sthn  Ellada ej'orismoy  ola  ta  panepisthmia parexoyn  thn  idia
ekpaideysh  enw sthn  Amerikh kati  tetoio den  isxyei kai  kaue idryma
prospauei na parei toys kalyteroys gia ta metra toy.

Leonidas
Miami OH Physics
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