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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:43:28 GMT
From:         "(Duncan Aldrich)" <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject:      GOVDOX 7.64 release
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From: "Clyde W. Grotophorst"  <WALLYG%fen1.gmu.edu@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
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Over the past year or so I've had a number of inquiries from
documents librarians who once used the GOVDOX program for
check-in/shelflist creation/maintenance.  The last release of that
package occurred about 3 years ago. This note announces a new
version of the package.

GOVDOX (Release 7.64) is a *complete* rewrite of the program. It's
faster, has many more features, is easier to use, and yes, creates
a 99.9% accurate SUDOC sort when producing shelflists (without
any data entry conventions required of the user). This release of
GOVDOX is SHAREWARE.

If you want to evaluate the program, you can obtain a full-featured
version via anonymous ftp (see below) or from the GMUtant Online BBS:
(703) 993-2219.

ftp instructions:

ftp gmuvax2.gmu.edu
username: anonymous
password: YourEmailAddressGoesHere
cd library
binary
get gdox764.zip
bye

If you need an 'unzipping' program, you can get UNZIP.EXE from
the ftp server as well.

Clyde W. Grotophorst
wallyg@fen1.gmu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:45:35 CST
From:         TIF%NIHCU@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Federal Register

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Mr. Brinkhuis/GOVDOC-Lers

Please refer your questions/comments about the Federal Register
to the Office of the Federal Register (NF), National Archives
and Records Administration, 800 North Capitol Street, NW,
Washington, DC  20408.  The telephone number is (202) 523-4534.

Sincerely,

Ted Hull
Center for Electronic Records
National Archives
(202) 501-5579
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:39:55 GMT
From:         "(Duncan Aldrich)" <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject:      Position Announcement
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From: "Thomas Cetwinski  " <U45552%UICVM@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
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Subject: Position Announcement

Sear Reopened

Documents Librarian, Head of Department

University of Illinois at Chicago seeks a professional to head the
University Library's Documents Department.  Responsible for a staff of
5 faculty and 5 support staff; and for developing a one million item
collection, planning automated information access and implementing a
service program for the University community and metropolitan area.
Also coordinates library staff training of automated information systems.
Department includes 160,000 item Map Section; the Library is a Federal
Depository (88%) and an Illinois Depository Library.

Minimum Qualifications: ALA/MLS; 3 to 5 years increasingly responsible
supervisory and managerial experience in library information services;
demonstrated ability to provide training for a variety of automated
systems and to meet University standards in research, publication and
professional service commensurate with tenure.

Salary competitive; faculty rank dependent on education and experience;
tenure track, 12 month appointment; competitive benefits.

For fullest consideration apply by Nov. 20, 1992 with a resume and the
names of three references: Darlene M. Ziolkowski, Personnel Librarian;
University Library, University of Illinois at Chicago; Box 8198 (M/C 234);
Chicago, Illinois 60680.

UIC is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer
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Subject:      Re: missing microfiche shipping lists
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From: kristi johnson <kjohnso9@ub.d.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: missing microfiche shipping lists
 "GOVDOC-L%PSUVM.BITNET@KSUVM.KSU.EDU" at Nov 4, 92 7:02 am
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> >From LISTSERV@PSUVM.PSU.EDU  Wed Nov  4 00:47:25 1992
> Message-Id: <9211031829.A03286@ccmail.adp.wisc.edu>
> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 92 18:29:16 CDT
> From: Suzo PETERS at SHS-PO <smtplink%Suzo_PETERS_at_SHS-PO@ccmail.adp.wisc.ed
   u>
> Subject: missing microfiche shipping lists
> To: govdoc-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
>
> I am missing so many shipping lists from 1991 that it seems ridiculous to even
> ask.  But I am actually only missing 3, as far as I can tell, from 1992:
>
> 92-274-M (microfiche number 1057)
> 92-1737-M (no microfiche number)
> 92-2069-M (I have 2068 from CMC and 2070 from B&B, and as far as I know this
>            has not appeared on a contractor microfiche list, so maybe I
>            shouldn't declare it missing yet)
>
> If anyone has received any of these, could you mail or fax me a copy?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Suzo
>
> Susan G. Peters
> State Historical Society Library
> 816 State Street
> Madison, WI  53706
>
> 608-264-6526
> 608-264-6520 (fax)
>
> suzo.peters@mail.admin.wisc.edu
>
Hi Susan--I can send you Shipping List 92-0274-M, but I am missing the
last two also.  Wonder if everyone is missing those two?

Doreen Olson
Room 370 Library
Government Documents
University of Minnesota, Duluth
10 University Drive
Duluth, MN  55812

(218) 726-6157

Let me know if you would stll like me to send the one--I would be happy to!
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:34:29 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hoover Commission(s)?
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Date:     Mon, 09 Nov 1992  13:21:05 EST
Subject:  Re:  Hoover Commission(s)?

Dear GOVDOC-Lers:

I am responding to some of the conversations about the
Hoover Commission.  I gave a referral to the Hoover Library
in West Branch, IA for further information.  You may first
wish to contact the Civil Reference Branch (NNRC) at (202)
501-5395.  They can direct you to the custodial unit
within the National Archives & Records Administration re-
sponsible for these records.  The Hoover Commission placed
the National Archives under the aegis of the General Services
Administration in 1949.  Therefore, the records of this presidential
commission may be in the Truman Library (NLT), 1200 N. McCoy,
Independence, MO 64050.  The telephone number is (816) 833-1400.

I hope this information is useful.

Ted Hull
Center for Electronic Records
National Archives
(202) 501-5579
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From: Bryan Stack <momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu>
Subject: Separate list for documents needs and offers
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We could call a needs-and-offers list DOC-SWAP.  But who would operate the
list?  Any volunteers?

>>> Bryan Stack, Government Documents Librarian, University Library
University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha NE 68182-0237 USA
Email: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu   Phone: 402-554-3258   FAX: 402-554-3215
         One of these days I'm going to stop procrastinating.
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From:         CHAPMAN@LUB001.LAMAR.EDU
Subject:      EPA Publications Bibliography Mystery

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We've only received copies of EPA Publications Bibliography through 1991
but the Gulf Coast Hazardous Substances Library which is also at Lamar
University and is on the same floor of the library as the Documents
Department has received the first two 1992 issues of this publication.
Go figure!

Bert Chapman
Lamar University
Beaumont, TX 77710
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Subject: Re: 19th Century Fisheries documents
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Subject:  Re:  19th Century Fisheries documents

Dear Ms. Piscitelli:

I am responding to your recent inquiry regarding the records
of the Bureau of the Fisheries from the 19th century.  The
Commissioner of Fish and Fisheries was established as head of
U.S. Fish Commission by joint resolution of Feb 9, 1871 (16
Stat. 594).  The Commission was established as the Bureau ofd
Fisheries in the Department of Commerce and Labor by act of Feb.
14, 1903 (32 Stat. 827).  The Labor Dept was created by act of
March 4, 1913 (37 Stat. 736), and Bureau remained in Commerce
Department.  The Bureau was transferred to the Interior Dept
by Reorg Plan No. II of 1939, effective July 1, 1939.
The Bureau was consolidated with the Bureau of Biological Survey
into the Fish and Wildlife Service by Reorg Plan No. III of
1940, effective June 30, 19409.

The National Archives has in its holdings approximately 3,128
cubic feet of records from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Commission
and its predecessor agencies (Record Group 22).  Included in this
are a number of architectural and engineering drawings, maps
and charts, motion pictures, still pictures, and textual records.
The main reference unit for these records is the Civil Reference
Branch (NNRC), National Archives, Washington, DC  20408; that is
for the textual records.  Other special media units handle reference
service for non-textual records.  The telephone number for Civil
Reference is (202) 501-5395.  For records relating to activities
in the Pacific Northwest, you may wish to contact the National
Archives - Pacific Northwest Region, 6125 Sand Point Way, NE,
Seattle, WA 98115.  The telephone number is (206) 526-6507.

I hope this information is useful, thank you for your
inquiry.

Ted Hull
Center for Electronic Records
National Archives
(202) 501-5579
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Subject:      Re: World Weather Records
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Has anyone contacted GPO and the Joint Committee on Printing
concerning this agency ignoring 44 USC 1902.  I think we should
drop JCP a note .... quickly.

Steve Hayes, Notre Dame
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
        Our library is considering moving the government publications
collection from a 2nd floor enclosed area to a 1st floor open area.
We've been a 45% selective depository since 1960, and have roughly
100,000 pieces to move.   Any and all suggestions/hints/cautions
about a physical move would be most helpful.
        When/if our collection moves to the 1st floor, it would be
serviced by a central reference counter, staffed most of the time
by Reference Services librarians.   They have varying amounts of
knowledge and interest in government publications.   Any and all
suggestions/tips/ideas about training and motivating Reference
librarians about documents would be appreciated.
        Please reply directly to me.  Thanks in advance for your
help!

Diane Calvin
Government Publications Service
A.M. Bracken Library
Ball State University
Muncie, IN  47306
(317) 285-1110
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GOVDOC-Lers--

I am going to wear two hats in this note: first, that of a GOVDOC-L
subscriber, then that of a GOVDOC-L moderator.

As a subscriber:
The discussion about the idea of a separate list for needs and offers
has gotten almost as intrusive as the proliferation of needs and offers
messages themselves!  Some very good points have been raised--I think
Dan Barkley's concerns about Government Documents librarians that are
excluded because the have no access to GOVDOC-L was especially interesting.
It points out that there are aspects of this discussion that are germane to the
`theoretical and philosophical' aspects of documents librarianship.

But otherwise, I think this thread has played itself out on the list, and
progress towards actually ESTABLISHING a new list is going to need to take
place off-list, among those who really want to put this idea into action.

As a moderator:
In this capacity, I feel the need to disclaim the statements above! That is,
please don't read this message and go away with the perception that I'm
"forbidding" any more discussion on this topic.  The very thought of that
gives me the willies!

But, while I personally can't make the commitment to establish the second
list that's being discussed, I would like to offer to help those of you
who do have the time to devote.  Perhaps the first thing to be done is for
you all to get connected to each other . . . so, if you are interested in
starting a DOCSWAP (I think that was a suggested name) list, why don't you
send ME an e-mail message with your e-mail address in it--I'll compile a
list of the names, and send it out to everyone.  Then that group can work on
this project.  Or, if anyone is really ready to take this idea and run with
it, no further discussion needed, you can contact me too, and I'll tell you
as much as I know about setting a list up.

In short, although I shouldn't try to speak for all the GOVDOC-L moderators,
I don't think anyone involved in GOVDOC-L right now has the time to devote
to a new list.  But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be willing to give some
help to someone WITH the time and energy!

Raeann Dossett
University of Illinos at Urbana-Champaign
raed@uiucvmd.bitnet  OR  raed@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
217-244-2059

Feel free to send me nasty notes if you're offended by anything in
this message.
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Subject:      Circulating CD-ROM titles
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From: Kay Collins <kcollins@uci.edu>
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Subject: Circulating CD-ROM titles

         We are in the process of discussing whether or not to
         circulate any of our CD-ROM titles and would like to know if
         other depositories have developed such a policy.  If so, I
         would appreciate a copy.

         Also of interest to us would be the experiences that have
         helped to shape this policy.

         The topics which we are discussing center around the
         following:

         1.  If CD's are circulated, are they coming back in good
         shape?  How do you check for damage?

         2.  One library in this area requires a deposit for the cost
         of the CD's replacement before it is checked out.

         3.  CD's which are still in print can be replaced.  What
         about CD's which go out of print?  How do you keep track of
         this information?

         4.  Selection of titles for circulation is another criteria
         for discussion.  If the title is available in the library for
         use, should older issues of serial title circulate?

         5.  How will circulation of CD's relate to the concept of
         archiving information?  If a CD is circulated assuming it is
         in print, it is damaged and then it is discovered it is out
         of print, is that acceptable to long term storage of the
         information on the disc because it is now not useable?

         6.  Is it prudent to print out parts of the CD before placing
         it in circulation to insure the information is not lost?  Is
         it just considered a lost publication?

         7.  Is anyone collecting older, reissued CD's for recycling?

         9.  For how long do you circulate a CD?

               I can summarize the answers if people do not wish to
         answer directly to the list.

         Kay Collins
         U. S. Government Publications Librarian
         University of California-Irvine
         P. O. Box 19557
         Irvine, CA  92713
         (714) 856-7290
         FAX:  (714) 856-8095
         e:mail:  kcollins@uci.edu
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Subject:      Re: Hoover Commission(s)?
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>We've recently received two seemingly identical copies of the final
>issue of the Senate's _Calendar of Business_ (Y1.3/3:102/2-992/final).
>The only difference is that one copy, in the lower left corner of the
>front cover, has the words "Star Print" in parentheses next to a star.
>
>What is the significance of that notation?  Should we keep that copy
>rather than the other?  Am I the only one out here that doesn't know?
>Please respond to the list just in case I'm not.
>
>Lori Smith
>Government Documents Librarian
>Sims Memorial Library
>Southeastern Louisiana University
>SLIB1532@SELU.EDU
          *******************************************
If the practice is the same as with congressional bills, 'star
print' is a final corrected edition and supplants earlier issues.
I can't remember the exact definition since I haven't had this
questions since the late 1960's.    ---David Rozkuszka
                                       Jonsson Lib. of Gov't Docs
                                       Stanford
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Thanks to those who askd about the duplicate cds Stf3A New England/
Mtn and US summary cd.  They have been snapped up almost as
soon as the notice was posted.  But I still have no takers
for the set of FERC manusls, updates, etc. WOuld like to
give them away.

Margaret England/Docs Libn
SD State Library
Pierre SD
Pierre SD57501-2294      605-773-3131
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Subject: Commerce Business Daily
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:37:18 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I can't believe Pennsylvania's Economic Bulletin Board (EDIN) was the only
EBB with the Commerce Business Daily loaded on it.  Is it true, no one out
there knows of another source/location for CBB (other than DIALOG)?  I'm
desperate and curious.

Debora Cheney
Penn STate University
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