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From: bobm@Ingres.COM (Bob McQueer)
Subject: Re: REAL MUSICIANS READ MUSIC!
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:41:16 GMT

In <momotaro.728144185@cwis>,
	dated Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:16:25 GMT,
	momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack) writes:

> Real musicians DO music.  Reading music is a tool to be employed in the
> doing.  It is one thing (and quite common) for a tinkering hack to use 
> a tool; it is quite another to make a work of art.  Which would you
> prefer:  a thing of beauty made by simple means, or ugly junk made
> with all the "right" tools?
> 
> Besides "high" art, there is also folk art, done only for the pleasure
> of oneself and (hopefully) one's friends and family.  Tablature can make
> songs accessible for such purposes to people who haven't the time or
> energy to learn "real" music, perhaps because they have family and work
> responsibilities and aren't free to spend hours a day practicing
> because mom and dad are paying all the expenses.  This expanded
> repertoire may be enough to spur some amateurs to move on to a more
> serious approach to music; but even if they don't, there is nothing
> wrong with that.

Bravo.  Very well stated.

When MIDI first surfaced a few years back, and people started getting
interested in computer interfaces for composition, I had hoped it might
spur an overhaul in the way musical notation is done.  Maybe something
will still spur such an overhaul.  The notational system should be a help,
not a hindrance, and many people who play music just for pleasure, or even
as popular performers find the classical notation simply too difficult
to use.  Which is a loss for all concerned - I fail to believe that the
information conveyed by classical musical notation could not be more
naturaly expressed.  Tablatures are instrument specific, and don't convey
the whole story, but they are the inevitable result when the notational
system used in formal training is so difficult to master.

In other areas, the notations and conventions used in formal training have
been updated, often to great benefit.  You would go nuts attempting to
do mathematics with the notations used in Isaac Newton's day, unless you
happen to be a mathematical historian.  As learning progressed, people
figured out better ways of trying to represent what they were talking
about.  When I look at the farrago of time and key signatures, dotted
notes, triplets, accidentals, etc. which form classical musical notation,
I just think "There's GOT to be a better notation".  I know what the
symbols mean, but as a guy who just noodles around with a guitar a bit
for the fun of it, I'm not going to devote huge amounts of time to learning
to sight read the !*%!!@# stuff.  I will be the first to admit that I'm
not a "real" musician, but it could only help music at all levels to have
a more accessible notation.
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From: an1252@anon.penet.fi (Gabriel Stevens)
Subject:      PLEASE GOD, SOMEONE HELP ME WITH PANTERA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:00:42 GMT

Does anyone know the main riff in "Cemetery Gates?"

I'LL DO ANYTHING!!!

Please e-mail me or post the info if you have it, thanks!
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Subject: Re: E7 chords (was: A really nice chord)
From: winer@husc8.harvard.edu (Adam Winer)
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:23:49 GMT

sag@pyuxf.uucp (25365-gietler) writes:

>In article <20JAN199320171078@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu> ntruelove@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE TO CHECK YOUR E-MAIL...) writes:
>>E A D B G E   
>>                   This a an E7aug9.  The favorite chord of Hendrix and myself.
>>0 7 6 7 8 0

>Not to mention Steve Morse (Sleaze Factor),
>and Motley Crew (Dr. FeelGood), although Motley Crew might move it down
>the neck a little, I can't remember.

It's also the strange chord in the verse of the Lemon Song, by Zep.
-- 
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From: Steve Wyrick <sjwyrick@lbl.gov>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: REAL MUSICIANS READ MUSIC!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:42:10 GMT
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From: EZB, 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:33:45 GMT
In article <C1HwoA.Kz8@andy.bgsu.edu> EZB,  writes:
>
>							I've noticed a considerable number of postings to this whole
guitar
>tab thing.  I understand that guitar tab is a great way for beginners to
>learn, but I must say that many of you "so-called" guitar players should
>learn to read music! You really should use tab just to establish a basic
>knowledge of the guitar.  I'm afraid its time for you tab addicts to grow
>up!  Show a little ambition and learn to play guitar like it was meant to
>be played!  I'm a player who is making considerable strides in guitar
blah, blah, blah.

I'm a musician who has 20 years guitar and 27 years classical violin
experience.  I play classical, folk and electric guitar.  I'm about
equally at home in tab and in standard notation, so I think I am
qualified to speak here.  THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR PLACES.  Standard notation
can tell you what notes to play, but not which strings to play them on. 
Tab notation can give you the strings, but isn't very good at showing the
rhythm or where the melody is.  Obviously, it's much easier to notate a
song on Internet in tab than in "real music."  (By the way, who says
reading tab isn't reading music?  Just because you like one system,
please don't impose it on everyone else.)
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From: mlinda@va.novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Subject: Request:  Travis Tritt
Reply-To: mlinda@va.novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Organization: Novell, Inc., Austin, TX.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:37:25 GMT

Posting for a friend who can't get the alt* groups.

She'd very much like the tab/chords for the new Travis Tritt
single, "Can I Trust You With My Heart".

Thanks.....

M'Linda

P.S.  Where is all the Stevie Ray Vaughan TAB?????????  I'll
take any of his work.  

************************************************
*           - Lonestar -                       *
*Internet: mlinda@novell.COM                   *
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From: phlegm@cs1.bradley.edu (Kevin Bourrillion)
Subject: Re: E7 chords (was: A really nice chord)
Organization: Silvery Urban Deity
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:01:22 GMT

>>>This a an E7aug9.  The favorite chord of Hendrix and myself.

>>Not to mention Steve Morse (Sleaze Factor),
>>and Motley Crew (Dr. FeelGood), although Motley Crew might move it down
>>the neck a little, I can't remember.

>It's also the strange chord in the verse of the Lemon Song, by Zep.

Don't forget Extreme, in Cupid's Dead...

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From: mierzwa@usc.edu (Christopher Mierzwa)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ: Like Everyone She Knows (J. Taylor)
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:06:08 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Hello,

Anyone have this song in TAB or CHOPRO format?  

Thanks in advance,
Chris

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From: caedmon@cats.ucsc.edu (Axeman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: REAL MUSICIANS READ MUSIC
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:24:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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Pat Browne <pbrowne@advtech.uswest.com> writes:

>>because I've stopped relying on tab.  I have four words for you tab
>>addicts: REAL MUSICIANS READ MUSIC! 

A musician is "one skilled in music, especially a composer or professional 
performer of music," to quote Webster's dict.  I have to agree with Mr. Browne
that somebody who claims to be a "musician" would be expected to know how to
read and write (compose) in sheet music.  I must say, Mr. Browne, that the
only time I read sheet music is to transcribe it to tablature so I don't
have to create fingerings-on-the-fly.  As a guitarist, I see no reason for
bothering with sheet music.  If you're looking for something that takes a
long time to master, so that you can 'scoff' upon beginners, why don't you
invent tablature where each fret number is a complex algebraic equation,
and solving for X will reveal a note, but not the octave in which it should
be played?  Better yet, why don't you show up a few newbie guitar players
with impressive sight-reading skills?  


"Yes I [can sight read], but I don't let it get in the way of my playing".
			--Duke Ellington

This shows that his playing comes from the soul, and not the manuscript.
I admire this.  I also admire musicians who take sheet music and add their
individual feeling to it.  I don't think it matters HOW you find out that
the 273rd note of a composure is a Bb, as long as you can do it quickly.

 music-translating six-string maestro,
	-Jeffq
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From: yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott A. Yanoff)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: CRD: Teen Angst (Cracker)
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:57:25 GMT
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Teen Angst - Cracker


The verse seems to alternate between the chords:
C  D


My guess for the chorus:

What the world needs now is another
D                    Dm      C

folk singer like I need a hole in my head
     G           C        G          Dm
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From: thall@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Thall)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: REQ: Lust for Life by Iggy Pop
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:13:21 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.040954.17520@fuug.fi>, an7592@anon.penet.fi (Stefo) writes:
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|> Lyrics too please !!
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No one who's ashamed to post under their own name should be allowed to
play Iggy tunes, anyway.

(But I'll type in the lyrics this evening.  The chords seem simple enough--
 a good exercise in ear-training.)

--Johnny Yen. 
aka thall@cs.unc.edu
"...and God turned to him and said, '--What was your name again?'"
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From: arb@presto.ig.com (Dan Arbios)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: JERRY GARCIA
Keywords: SOLOS
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:29:07 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar.tab
Organization: IntelliGenetics Inc., Mtn. View, Ca.


Regarding the need for JERRY GARCIA solo tabs:

Do you want them with or without all the mistakes and mishits, or do
you want them off the albums.  I can't help you, but I can get any
lyrics people want, and the chords of the songs.

I don't know how to work a tab program on my mac.
Just kidding Jerry fans, he really IS a fine soloist!











After a few lines.....;)
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:48:46 EST
From: <RSNDLH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: Tab: Hey Hey My My
 <1993Jan20.202424.19749@swi.psy.uva.nl>

 How about the part where he goes to the "C" chord
dosen't that riff move up also ?
I'm talking about the electric version.
It seems as though the chords are a little different or the time per chord
is different than the acoustic version.
I was playing along last night noticed this difference???
From: f92poda@fy.chalmers.se (P}l Dahle)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: What is CHORDPRO???
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:35:18 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

In article <C1CBCA.M9F@umassd.edu>, s14249nm@UMASSD.EDU writes:
> At an ftp nevada site, i saw CHORDPRO. I know its a program for something but
> can anyone please tell me what it does exactly. Any help would be appreciated.
> please e-mail because i don't frequent this newsgroup often. Thanks...

I too would like to know about CHORDPRO, but also where at nevada that program
can be found.

Paul Dahle
f92poda@fy.chalmers.se
From: msh7585@venus.tamu.edu (SCOTT)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ:  Hotel California
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:46 CST
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If anyone could post the tab to Hotel California, or even just the intro, it
would greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Scott
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From: jwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Jeff Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: Re: Chord (was Choard) Formations...
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:36:41 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

<C1HDs3.E34@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> <phlegm.728088570@cs1.bradley.edu>

In <phlegm.728088570@cs1.bradley.edu> phlegm@cs1.bradley.edu (Kevin
Bourrillion) writes:



>>Second, how do you finger an A-shape bar chord?  The problem with this
>>is that before I get half way up the neck I can't cram three fingers
>>between the frets.

#>With a little work, you should get the hang of getting your 2nd, 3rd
#>and 4th fingers right in front of one another.  I can get A-shape
#
#>barre chords all the way up to the 12th fret and a little bit beyond.
#>It may be difficult for a while, but it's not impossible.

I use my pinky to cover the DBG strings on those type of barre chords. I've
often seen people who can use their ring finger to do this as well, but my
fingers just won't stretch that way. The thing I don't like about the way I
finger these chords is that it makes it impossible to do a chord change like
this:


E ---------1----         E ----------1------
B -----------4--         B -------------?---
G -----------4--         G ------------4----
D -----------4--         D ------------4----
A ---------1----         A ----------1------
E ---------1----         E ----------1------

All I want to do is add the next half-step on the B string, but it's nigh
impossible with the way I play barre chords. But that's the only way I can
play barre chords (unless you know of a really good painkiller, then I could
use my ring finger on the DamnGoodBoy strings, and use my pinky to finger that
1/2 step on the B string). 

-- 
jwilson@ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com (Jeff Wilson)
"Good morning! It's a GREAT day to go belly-up!" - Dan Connor
From: zito@cpchq.cpc.gmeds.com (James L. Zito)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: CRDS:Hey Hey My My-Niel Young
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: zito@cpchq.cpc.gmeds.com
Organization: North American Operations, G.M. Corp.

I think Ameen is right about the riff.  Here it is again with corrections:



                          HEY HEY MY MY
                           Neil Young

NOTE: To play along with record, tune all strings down one whole note(i.e. Am below is
really Gm), then play chord formations as written below.

  F/A        G          Fmaj7/A
EADGBe    EADGBe        EADGBe
X03211    320003        X03210

the riff in the song is  A <Am> A B C D <G> B A G A <Fmaj7>, then
                         A <Am> A B C D <G> D/D#/E-D-C-D-A <Fmaj7>                        The "< >" indicates a chord, all others are notes. The "/" is a slide up.

Am |G |Fmaj7 |Fmaj7

Am     G            Fmaj7
   My, my      hey, hey
Am          G               Fmaj7
   Rock and Roll is here to stay
C                 G
   It's better to burn out
Am               F/A
   than to fade away
Am     G          Fmay7
   My, my    hey, hey


Am            G                   Fmaj7
   Out of the blue   and into the black
Am            G                        Fmaj7
  You pay for this   but they give you that
C                G
  And once  your gone
Am                   F/A
  you can never come back
Am                       G                  Fmaj7
  when you're out of the blue  and into the black


Am            G                   Fmaj7
  The king is gone   but he's not forgotten
Am                 G               Fmaj7
  Is this the      story of Johnny Rotten
C                G
  It's better to burn out
Am              F/A
  Than it is to rust
Am            G                      Fmaj7
  The king is gone   but he's not forgotten

Am     G             Fmaj7
  Hey, hey       my, my
Am         G              Fmaj7
  Rock and roll can never die
C                     G
  There's more to the picture
Am               F
  than meets the eye
Am     G             Fmaj7
  Hey, hey       my, my
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From: kurtm@fdh.hsf.no (Kurt Moen)
Subject: Re: REQ: Good Lovin'
Organization: Finnmark College
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:13:48 GMT
Reply-To: kurtm@fdh.hsf.no

It was The (young) Rascals who made this one and other nice stuff in the late sixties.

:-) Kurt Moen
From: guy@harlqn.co.uk (Guy Snape)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Favourite chords? (Was A really nice chord)
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:23:49 GMT
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Distribution: alt
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England


OK, we've had enough on the E7#9 already.  Yes, I've always called it
"the Jimi Hendrix chord" too.

How about some other people posting some of their favourite chords?
(Not the ones everyone knows, like "E" please!).  There's a "Chord of
the month" in the English magazine "Making Music", and I always turn
to that page first...

In case you missed it, here's the one I posted earlier, from "Hello"
by Lionel Richie.  I suppose it's an Am sus2 rather than an Am9 coz
there's no 7 (G) in there.

X O     O O
___________
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_O_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_O_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|

Cheers,

Guy


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From: cs101i39@eng-nxt14.cso.uiuc.edu (cs101 student)
Subject: REQ: MANOWAR
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:48:27 GMT


  If anyone knows anything by Manowar, please send it to me.


  Thanks,
   Kevin Miller

    kmiller@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: mhall@moe.coe.uga.edu (Mike Hall UCNS Aderhold Hall)
Subject: Re: Chord Questions
Organization: Unversity of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:31:30 GMT

    This is to correct my own mistake:

      I want to know what this chord  |xo2o3o| is;  not |xxo2o3|

   Sorry about the mixup.  Mike Hall   mhall@moe.coe.uga.edu
From: leblon@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Nelson Campos Leao Pedrozo)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: REQ: Rush Tab/Crds
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:44:33 GMT
Organization: Space Science Labs




  Lately, I've been trying to find stuff by Ten Years After.

Does anyone have "I'd love to change the world" ?

I know this sounds ambitious, but would anyone also have the solos for

"I'd love to change the world" ?


  All of it will, of course, be much appreciated

Thanks in advance


				Nelson




.
Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:38:24 -0500 
From: "Aaron R. Miller" <am49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: REQ: Any Jackyl

I am just a beginner and I would greatly appreciate anything tabbed from
Jackyl (pre. I stand alone). I realize that they're not a complex band
but I haven't developed an ear from music so I can't figure out how to
play the stuff. Even if it sounds a little like the song, it'd be great.

aaron
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 21:45:39 MST
From: <IFSXM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject:    What Goes On - VU

Here's what I have.
"What Goes On"
 Velvet Underground

|: D
1. What goes on in your mind
2. I'm goin' up, and I'm goin' down
3. One minute one, and one minute two

                 C           G       D
1. I think that  I am        falling down
2. I'm gonna fly from        side to side
3. One minute    up, and one minute  down


   D
1. What goes on in your mind
2. See the bells up in the sky
3. What goes on in your mind


                C    G         D
1. I think that I am upside    down
2. Somebody cut the  string in two
3. I think that I am falling   down


             C                 G
all) Lady be good, do what you should

                    D
all) You know it'll work all right

             C                 G
all) Lady be good, do what you should

                    D           :| (fine)
all) You know it'll be all right

after second verse:(SOLO)
d.c. al fine

This is a very simple version of this song.

Does anyone know exactly what they play? (I think it's a lot of

sus chords mixed in with these, but I'm not sure)

All comments and suggestions are welcome.

Have a nice day,
Paul Zimmerman