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From: neilson@osf.org (Peter Neilson)
Subject: Re: Drivers encounter loose horses
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:10:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.155734.471@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Jo.A.Steele@dartmouth.edu (Jo A. Steele) writes:
>>THEY DIDN'T HAVE HALTERS.  Well, I suppose we could have made emergency halters out of lead ropes. 
> ...
>Don't you normally carry a halter and lead rope with your spares kit? 
>I've found that I've actually used them when out driving when something
>went wrong and I had to unhitch, they come in very handy!  
> ...
>
>Jo Steele
>Dartmouth College

We generally put lightweight halters underneath the headstall, so that
we can unhitch and tie without having to remove any tack.  We carry
several leads and tie ropes, and even saws, knives, bug spray, lots of
stuff, but not additional halters.  Maybe we should.

Anyway, once we had caught those horses, what the heck would we do
with them?  Maybe we could send someone for the police?  Maybe -we-
would get in some kind of additional trouble?

-- 
            >>>  Peter Neilson  --- neilson@osf.org  <<<
   "So what is this dangerous driving thing you do?"  -- A friend of HRH,
    Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh.
(Quotation changed daily.  If you've seen this one before, it's still yesterday.)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Fungal pneumonia
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 08:16:12 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I can't believe this is happening to me. I have a horse that has been lame for
over a year, finally diagnosed as a non-classic navicular type ailment. Spent a
lot of time deciding whether or not to nerve him, had him nerved. He returns
and after two weeks of walking under saddle, the first time he trots he is lame
AND the vet finds feeling has returned to his heel! The vet is stymied and has
agreed to to re-do the operation at cost--guessing that he missed nerve
nerve branches (we are dealing with a very reputable veterinary group in south-
western New Jersey--they were the vets for the recent USET Festival in
Gladstone.

But that's not the worst to it. While he is visiting I ask him to look at my
new 4 1/2 year old Connemara/Thoroughbred cross mare that we have had for about
two months.  Her glands in the throat latch area seem swollen, she has a VERY
MILD discharge from the left eye and nostril. She is also lethargic. No fever
and good appetite.  After at least three visits, blood work, a tracheal wash,
etc. he believes she has fungal pneumonia which she probably had in Florida
where she was bred (we bought her from the breeder) possibly exacerbated by the
trip to New Jersey.  The breeder (who was so pleased for us to have the horse
she is taking out an ad in the American Connemara so I don't believe she tried
to swindle us)says the horse was never sick in Florida nor have ANY other of
her other horses EVER been sick. The mare was vetted by a big practice down in
Ocala where they did blood work etc. The worst of this is the prognosis. If it
is the fungal pneumonia then it is very hard to cure, the medicine starts at
$200 a day and the course of it is unclear. If it can't be brought under
control, and the mare remains lethargic, then............... Try hearing that
while this cute young mare looks at you over her stall door! Does anyone know
anything about fungal pneumonia? Can anyone offer any help at all!

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Subject: Re: Bowed tendon, sniff
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:35:09 GMT

I have a 21-year-old TB gelding with a bowed tendon. My father purchased him
off the track as a six-year-old, to use for a hunter. The tendon had originally
bowed around 4 years old, and he had been out of commission for a while. At
the time Pop bought him, he was back in training.
In the 15 years he's been in our family, he's had about 3 relapses, requiring
2-4 months rest each time. The rest of the time, he's been a terrific hunter
(well, I think he's terrific, some people think he's a little too wild).
That includes lots of jumping, and scrambling up and down steep rocky
hillsides. And the bad tendon was a front leg, which takes a lot more 
stress when jumping.
The bottom line is that a horse with a bowed tendon does not necessarily 
have to be written off ... the outcome can vary widely, and probably can't
be predicted. In our case, we've gotten 15+ years of hunting, and still going,
out of a $400 horse. But your mileage may vary.
If you're into serious competition and eventing, you probably don't want the
risk of a horse suddenly going lame. Of course, this is always a risk, but 
more so in the case of an already-bowed tendon. But if you just ride for fun,
and are willing to take the added risk of losing a few months of pleasure
every once in a while, the horse might be worth keeping to see if it can be
used the way you want to.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: IRISH - how big is small?
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:44:37 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <Bt6MyG.5C@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.200448.19054@cbfsb.cb.att.com> pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau) writes:
>>There has been a lot of discussion about IRISH  being "small".
>>Does anyone know just how small he is?
>>
>>thanks, Lynn Pfau
>>AT&T
>>Naperville, Il
>>ihlpe!pfau
> 
> The announcer I heard said he was 16h.  I, personally, don't consider
> that small.  But then again, I'm short.   Although I ride English
> and have for years, I consider the English obsession with monstrous
> size to be at ludicrous.  Small doesn't mean that can't jump, as
> Irish has shown us clearly.
> 

I agree.  I had a lovely Arabian mare for sale a few years ago, nice big
mare, 15.2, which is HUGE for an Arabian.  One stupid woman came to try
her out, seems she rode with the local hunt club and was looking for an
Arab since she prefers that breed.  But my mare was too SMALL, she wanted
an Arab at least 16 hands (!).  Why?  Because the others in the hunt club
made very disparaging remarks if you had a horse that was under 16 hands!


> Give me a Lippett Morgan (less than 15.1), and I'll show you a horse!
> 

Yep, these little horses are only little on the outside.  Give me a horse
with lots of heart, size doesn't matter.

Sue

> Ruth
> 
> -- 
> =============================================================================
>   I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
>     not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
> =========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
From: jamesf@myranch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Ferris x34041)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Tevis Top 10
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: jamesf@myranch.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: myranch.ebay.sun.com

Ok, here is the Top Ten in the 1992 Tevis Cup.
For any who are not familiar with the Tevis Cup, it is a 100 mile endurance
ride, starting from the Wendall Roby staging area near Truckee, CA to Auburn,
CA.  It started this year at 5:00am Saturday, August 15.

First place was a tie between:
         Marcia Smith DVM from Loomis, CA riding Harry
    and
         Shelley Hatfield from Corning, CA riding AM Xanthium, time: 15:30
Third:   Suzanne Hayes     riding: Zyere            time: 16:54
Fourth:  Potato Richardson         Fille de Cailana       17:30
Fifth:   Ruth Gerson               Sierra Spunk           17:55
Sixth:   Jock Johnston             Shane Shawnee          17:56
Seventh: Terry Anderson            Nureyv                 17:57
Eighth:  Julienne Buxston          Bene Ami               17:57
Ninth:   Debbie Lyon               Shekhlsa               18:00
Tenth:   E. Vincent Howes          Sughal HCC             18:16

Marcia Smith and Harry also won the Hagen Cup (best condition).

211 horses started and 104 completed the ride by 5:00am Sunday.

Jim Ferris
From: donnag@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Donna Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Arabian for Sale
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:35:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Subject: What a weekend!!!
Summary: And yet another show (makes 34!)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:07:35 GMT

Hank and I had our second jumping and Dressage show this
past weekend, and we did very well!  He was back to his
old self again, after the tantrum he pulled last weekend
in Madras...too much oats, I think!  :*)

I hadn't jumped Hank since our last jumping show (mid-June),
and I'm in a back brace due to an injury at work, so, Friday
eve before I spiffed him up for the weekend I free jumped him
on the longe line.  He was very willing and never hesitated.
I only jumped him a few times over smallish jumps, maximum
height was probably 1'6".  Our maximum height at the show
would be 1'9"...

We started off with a 1st in Eq on the flat, then a 1st over
cavelleti's at a trot.  Next, a second over 4" poles at a
trot, a third in Eq over 11" poles, a second in Hunter over
11" fences, a third in Eq over 1'3", a third in Hunter over
1'3", and a fourth in Eq over 1'9".  We beat people in every
class, so I felt good about our placings.  The last class was
Hunter over 1'9" fences, but I lost my balance and Hank vered
to the left to "pick me up", 'cause as soon as I had my balance
back he stopped, we went back and finished the course with
no problem.  I think he knew I was probably going to fall off
if he had attempted that jump!  I made him jump an extra jump
on the course just to be sure, and even tho we were disqualified
because I jumped the extra jump, I just had to be certain that
he wouldn't refuse again, and he didn't!  Not even a hesitation.

That was Saturday...Dressage was on Sunday.  WOW!!! What a day!

In ODS (Oregon Dressage Society) walk/trot, we scored a 63.75,
which was good enough for first!  Then, in Training level test
1 walk/trot, we scored a 64.44, and another first!  Training
level test 1 to canter scored us a 63.33, and a fourth, and,
confusing as it may sound, Training level test 3 was a low
51.(something)!  :*(  I felt we had a very good go, almost as
good as our third ride (test 1 to canter).  The comments on
the critique sheet were the same as test 1 to canter, but the
score was much lower.  We didn't go off course, and people who
watched me didn't think I did THAT BAD.  Oh well, guess ya gotta
have a goal!  Of course, we had only done that test 3 times last
Monday, and we have only had 3 Dressage lessons, and I hadn't
ridden Dressage since the show in mid-June...guess I'm asking too
much of myself and my Hank, huh...That's what Mom says, anyway!!!

I will be training hard for our next jumping and Dressage show
in mid-September.  We have no other shows until then.  I want to
do really well in both the jumping and the Dressage, so we will
concentrate on them.  My goal is a 65.00!  Here's hoping we get it!

Megan, Larry her S.O., Clyde his Black Lab, Edgar her Black Cat,
and High Action Hank, APHA, THE WONDER OF WONDER HORSES!!!
(over 350 ribbons now in 34 shows...someone even offered me $8000.00
for him this weekend...Can't put a price on a horse with a heart like
HANK!!)
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Anybody got a clue....
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:10:09 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <11AUG199214374752@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> 
	afallen@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington) writes:
>Poor ol' Mason just can't stay sound (he's only 9 yrs old).  
[ stuff deleted ]
>Then the bottom fell out:  I trotted him for the barn onwer (
>resident horse expert) and darn if Mason wasn't limping worse than ever.  
>Note that the initial excercise was in the sift outdoor arena and the last 
>trotting laps were in the indoor arena (still dirt but packed down).  Its 
>been over two weeks since the abcess was teated by the vet (I'm I expecting 
>too much too fast);  could this just be that after 40 min of light work and 
>standing on hard floor for grooming that his feet were sore so that he 
>would show worse those final laps.  And of course, there's always the old 
>navicular monster in the left foot (we've had no problems with the left 
>foot up to now).  Anybody got a clue?   Thanks in advance for any ideas.


One thought:  we had a horse at our barn (a school horse) who, after a
bout with legitimate lameness, learned that lame == no work, so he
started *faking* lameness!  He wasn't too terribly persistent in his
acting, so if you spurred him a bit and the problem disappeared in a
minute or two, you knew he wasn't really lame.  He was a clever fellow
(his name was Dante, though he wasn't much of an inferno ;-).  Maybe
your horse thinks he's found a "good thing" in limping?

Dave
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From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hackamores  (I'm posting this for Jodie Gilmore)
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:25:59 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug13.135930.4648@cs.cornell.edu> 
	marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh) posting for Jodie Gilmore writes:
>I thought I'd add my 2 cents' worth about hackamores. I have ridden
>with a hackamore for about as long as I can remember. When I break
>my horses, I usually start them in a snaffle (every horse, esp. ones
>you want to resell, should be able to work in a bit). But then I
>alternate between bit and hackamore for training work. Of course, you
>can't show in a hackamore, in most cases.
>
>(an aside--I am amazed that Olympic people can use mechanical hackamores
>in show jumping. I am sure that if I had showed up at a jumping show
>in WA when I was showing, I would have been disqualified for inappropriate
>equipment!)

It was my impression that for Open Jumpers, *anything* goes; all that matters
is whether the horse gets over the fence without a knockdown.  Supposedly,
you don't even have to "dress up", though most do anyway.


Dave

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse attacking dogs was Drivers encounter ...
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:25:11 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <92233.47873.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> The Drivers etc. thread when it turned to dogs attacking reminded me about
> something that recently happened to me. I'd like to know if anyone has had
> anything similar happen and if it's just an amusing incident or a real
> problem.
> 
> Recently I was lunging my mare in a small circle preparing to mount up
> when a dog wandered in her general vicinity. I know she had been watching
> him for a while but she never broke stride or showed any real interest until
> he got very near her (3-4'). The dog was not acting aggressive; just stupid
> in wandering so close to a trotting horse. Anyway, when he got close, she
> arched her neck, and lifted her front feet and struck out at him! I don't
> think her back raised up more than an inch and she just moved on in her
> circle right after that. The dog layed down, unhurt.
> 
> A couple of times after that I've noticed some extra interest from her
> when dogs have been in the arena where we've ridden. To the point where
> she has increased speed to catch up when they run along side and she keeps
> glancing over at them. I have had her about over 3 years and I've never seen
> her do anything like this before. Has always been dogs around. Has anyone
> seen this kind of reaction in their horses?

Sounds like a mare I used to have.  We rode on the roads quite a lot, dogs
were always coming raging out and nipping at heels.  She hated that and 
would very carefully watch out of the corner of her eye until the dog came
close enough then WHAP! with a hind foot.  I know of one dog whose leg she
broke, and another who got a broken jaw.  I really didn't feel too sympathetic
to either the dog or the owner!  

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: happonen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: RE: synthetic saddles
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:09:59 GMT


I like to tell you my feelings with my brand new WINTEC (a dressage model/
3 weeks in use).

My mare is young (5 years) and it seems to me that she moves with
WINTEC very nice, free and easy. She just likes soft and light WINTEC.
I have sometimes funny feeling that there is not enough saddle between me
and the horse. I hope that it is a question of time to get use to it.
Anyway the saddle is good to sit and it fit both of us.
And I just love to handle it.

My Kieffer (flat seat) is good when I jump. I must say that 
I can't even think to jump with WINTEC because I need the strong
feel of steady and durable saddle when I jump over fence with
a young horse.

-Sirpa-
From: lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hunt Seat Hand Position
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:43:03 GMT
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I'm not surprised that QH people are using the puppy-dog hand style.  I show
QH, but I *never* cared for their Idea of *english* horses or equitation.
The AQHA rules state that the hands sould be above the withers, thumbs up and
slightly inside the vertical.  But, you still see "horizontal" hands winning. 
Yuk.  Don't care for the headsets, either, but you gotta do what you gotta
do to be competitive at a QH show.

Leigh
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lmasterm@cs.ulowell.edu (Lisa Masterman)
Subject: Re: hunt seat equitation
Originator: lmasterm@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:59:09 GMT


In article <BszHyM.DBD@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>, woit@qucis.queensu.ca (Denise Woit)
 writes:

(stuff deleted)
|> When I went to this lesson, the instructor  said that my toes and 
|> knees should point out, that I should always be gripping with the
|> lower leg, and that I should post from the lower leg, not knees.
|> (As you have probably guessed, I joined a lesson that was working
|> on the posting trot.)
|> 
|> What happened? I can only think of two explanations: Either my 
|> instructor is a nut-bar, or something has changed since I was a kid.
|> I am leaning towards believing that something has changed.
|> Can someone tell me if this is really how people ride now, and why it
|> is better?
|> Thanks,
|>                                      ...Denise Woit

Personally, I've found that the average instructor completely contradicts
what your last one said.  In my section of Massachusetts, barns keep closing
left and right, so I've been switching instructors since I first learned to
ride, and the only thing that stays constant is the fact that you have to be
flexible and do whatever this instructor says, and when you're on your own,
just try to pick up the best of what you've learned!!  It's a challenge all
in itself!

--lisa
From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Bowed tendon, sniff
Keywords: bowed tendons, recovery
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:59:25 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

red@prc.unisys.com (Rebecca Davis) writes:

> My question is, what have been the experiences of netters as regarding the
> soundness of a horse after a bowed tendon has healed?  I suspect that
> this is an old injury, and she will be okay for lite riding, no jumping of
> even small logs.

My old CT trainer/boss had a horse that was competing at the advanced
level when he bowed his left front tendon.  He also had a very small bow
in the right front one.  He was off work for 3 months only getting
hand-walked, and then started back into gentle work, slowly building up.
About a year after the original injuries, Saint was foxhunting about once
a month.  While I was there (two summers in a row), I competed him at
novice and training levels in CT and went out cubbing about every other
week.  He didn't have a single problem with his tendons during all that
time.  I took special care of his legs though, always jumping with full
leather boots and he wore polo wraps whenever he went out (both used for
protection in case of a bad step).  Also, after any jumping, he got an
alcohol rub and standing wraps for 6 to 18 hours depending on how hard we
worked.  Probably the only thing Saint couldn't have done would be a
full-blown 3-day with all the pounding of a full endurance day.  The
occasional (easy) Prelim horse trial was all the owner would let him do;
any more would be putting too much stress on his legs.

This guy was talented enough and was such a joy to work around that he was
worth the extra attention required to keep him sound (all the extra
wrapping and rubs and just general extreme awareness of his front legs -
any little change was worthy of immediate treatment).  I was constantly
placing in the top 5 competing with this guy and, since he was an old
advanced horse, he taught me the "right" way to do things.  You'll have to
judge if this horse is worth the effort.  From your description, it's hard
to tell - she's not what you really wanted and she acts like a "witch" as
you put it but she is nice to ride.  If she is worth it and if the injury
isn't _too_ severe, she can stay sound for many years to come with some
help from you.

Judy

Didn't mean to get so long-winded, but you know how it is when
horsey-folk start talking horses ...


        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
                                   uunet!valinor!judy
            I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.
From: jamesf@myranch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Ferris x34041)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: sidepulls
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:50:22 GMT
Reply-To: jamesf@myranch.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: myranch.ebay.sun.com

In article 23557@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
>
>In Article 8260 kcumming@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (kcumming) writes:
>
>>lateral or side to side movement/bending.  They are trianing gear and
>>are not permissible in any actual competition that I am aware.
>
>	They are allowable (I believe, perhaps, some endurance or competitive
>trail people can correct me on this) in endurance and competitive trail.	

In endurance and competitive trail you can use anything at all on the horses head,
as long as you have control of the horse.  Lack of control in any headgear at a 
competitive trail ride will get you pulled (disqualified).  This would probably be
true on endurance ride as well (I have less experience here).
I just came back from crewing at the Tevis last weekend and I saw many horses at
the finish being ridden in nothing but a lightweight halter!!

Jim Ferris
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Schneiders Arabian catalog?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:43:00 GMT

I have misplaced my copy of the Schneiders Arabian catalog. Anyone know their
800 number so I can get another?

Barbara Roy, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA. 52242
Internet: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu 
  Bitnet: broyva@uiamvs
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.