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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 on Superstation WGN channel 9 Chicago
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:01:54 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <rccarm00.725684742@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:
<dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin) writes:
<
<>I would assume that WGN's contract with Paramount is limited to local broadcast
<>*ONLY*, not for cable broadcast. Since STTNG & STDSN are sold to specific
<>"markets" (viewing areas), it would be unfair to those stations which pay for
<>the STDSN syndication to lose their audience to a cable channel, especially
<>if the cable channel pays the same price for the broadcast rights.
<
<    As I understand it, Syndex rules make this a moot point.
<(i.e. If my city, Lexington, had a station which had bought DSN,
<they would be allowed to block broadcasts from other cities nearby,
<just so that the above doesn't happen..
<    I don't completely understand this regulation, but perhaps
<Vidiot would care to comment on this?

Sure, I'll comment.  Syndex sucks!  OK, with that out of the way, we'll get to
the meat of the issue.  In order for a local station to get the local cable
company to apply the blackout to a particular imported program, the local
station MUST go to the cable company with a copy of the contract within a
certain period of time (no, I don't remember what it is).  The cable company
does not have permission to blackout an imported program until the local station
requests it.  But, some programs may not have a exclusive contract.  One that
comes to mind in Night Court.  That is seen on WGN as well as my local station.
A contract can be written whereby Syndex cannot be applied to it.  Or, in this
case, my local station hasn't asked for Syndex protection, but I doubt it.

BTW, here in Madison, no program has been "Syndex'd".  Why?  Because WGN is
the only imported station and they must be setting themselves up tp be Syndex
proof.  The exception may be ST:DS9, once we know for sure that they are
going to air it.  But, the blackout may be handled separately.  I seem to
remember something about Syndex'd programs being handled separately at the
uplink site, or via WGN themselves.  I don't have proof of that.

<p.s. I'm testing a new mail connection.  If you're replying by E-mail
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From: mbaker@erenj.com (Michael Baker)
Subject: Tasha Yars daughter
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering, New Jersey
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:13:51 GMT

I am curious to know about something.  I recently say a STNG show with Tasha Yars
daughter, who happens to be Romulan.  It was suggested in the show that Picard
sent her back from the future to some time in the past where she was captured by
Romulans.  While she was in the past, she apparently stayed tehre and mothered
this Romulan child.  How could she have gone to the past on Picards orders when
we all saw her killed?  Does anyone have any idea how this got by??? Maybe just
something to think about.
From: Martin Marietta (Denver, CO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:24:18 GMT
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Organization: Martin Marietta

In article <13404@bnr-rsc.UUCP>, coop7z52@bnr.ca (Rahim Pira) writes:
> 
> 
> 	There was also another Galaxy-class starship in the episode "Conspiracy", captained by Picard's fried.  Unfortunately, the ship also blew up, causing the Enterprise to return to Earth.
> 
> ------------
> Rahim Pira
> 
> 

Begging your pardon, but I believe the ship that blew up in the
"Conspiracy" episode was an Ambassador class starship, not Galaxy.
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Subject: Curious and inexperienced
From: S927797@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Joe Rottman)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 08:06:38 CST
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS
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Please forgive my ignorance - I am new and not sure what I am doing.
 
Is TNG going to be replaced by DS9?
 
Do any of you know how long TNG is going to be on?
 
Please respond in this group - - I am not sure how to get or receive your respo
nses.
From: durandm@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Durand Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's garbled dialogue (was Re: Lynch's Review of CoC2)
Keywords: CoC II
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:06:03 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1hkh70INNsoi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:
>
>In a previous article, tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) says:
[STUFF DELETED...]
>>--Could someone with a closed-captioning decoder please let me know what 
>>Picard's final lines are after "You cannot hurt me!"  I've gone over it 
>>several times, but damned if I can make it out...
>
>	I don't have a closed-caption recorder, but I did recognize
>what he was saying...he was singing in French, the same song he was
>singing to himself earlier while reminiscing about his childhood.
>
>	I learned this song during a 2nd-grade experiment in teaching
>French orally.  Having never studied it formally, my spellings are
>guesses based upon other French I have had to read in early 19th-century
>literature (the English and Americans must have thought it added "culture"
>to throw in French words and phrases).  So please no language flames :) :)
>
>	Sur la pont
>	D'Avignon
>	Loni danse, loni danse
>
The correct writing and translation for the first verse of this song is:

Sur le pont d'Avignon
L'on y danse, l'on y danse
Sur le pont d'Avignon
L'on y danse tous en rond

The correct english translation for this verse (forget the measure & rhyme, 
please...)

On the bridge of Avignon
We are dancing, we are dancing
On the bridge of Avignon
We are dancing a round

Hope this arouse your curiosity about this great language that is called French!:-)

Martin Durand (durandm@ere.umontreal.ca)
U de Montreal, Quebec
Student, master's degree, film studies. 

Oh, by the fact, the captain's name is Picard, not Piccard... :-)
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------/\/\artin Durand
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E-mail adresse: durandm@ere.umontreal.ca
Student, master's degree in film studies
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From: SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig)
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 23:14:31 GMT

This may have already been pointed out, so I apologize if I'm repeating 
someone else.  I haven't followed this thread closely.

There is no indication that I've seen that all the races/species/whatever 
encountered in TNG speak english or even english words.  Perhaps there is a 
small Universal Translator built into each comm badge that is translating 
for the crew.  This would remove the inconvenience (and cost) of subtitling 
and the development of different languages for each race/...

OTOH I have seen movies & tv shows that were better (IMO) because of non-
english speaking & subtitles.  The initial (German) release of Das Boot 
comes immediately to mind.  Sure, it was a little inconvenient to read the 
sub-titles but the tone and inflection put into the original sound track 
came through quite clearly, increasing the emotional content for me.  Also 
the initial broadcast of Shogun on TV was very nice.  It conveyed some of 
what Blackthorn would have felt being in Japan and not knowing the language, 
customs, and no interpretor.  It was a little confusing if you hadn't read 
the book but I thought it was worth it.  I've also enjoyed seeing/hearing 
the blending of Klingon/English in the ST movies (4 & 6 come to mind).

Just rambling thoughts...
Steven
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From: z57n@unb.ca (MCKAY  N)
Subject: Re: Uniforms and their colors
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:16:24 GMT

In article <cboerm48.725680459@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:

>I remember reading somewhere that the Red uniforms in TOS signified 
>someone who had had only two years in Star Fleet Academy and those with
>a yellow went for like four years or something and blue was medical and
>science (Non-military function?).
>
>	Anyways, can anyone confirm/deny this?

I don't have any "official" information on it, but it makes sense; the 
engineering staff (assuming they're actually engineers) would have gotten 
degrees in Engineering first, thereby reducing the amount of time required 
at the academy.  As for security, does it really take four years to learn 
that particular trade?  (Hardly seems right to spend four years traning 
someone who's not going to last an hour anyway! :)  )

>			CtB

Neill McKay
From: yingst@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (JIM YINGST)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "what about our OTHER friends" (minimal spoiler)
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:26:00 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <BzJGCG.7ur@news.iastate.edu>, s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera) writes...
>In article <1992Dec19.082759.15047@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>>All these messages, what could the admiral have meant by "other"
>>which "other" friends,
>>how to *you* interpret this, how I interpret this...
>>&c.
>>&c.
>>
>>**  DON'T ANY OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE VCRs????  ***
> 
> "other" = CARDASSIANS!
> 
>the little tan man
> 
Ahem.  I think what Sunil was getting at is the fact that there was *no*
reference to "other" friends in the episode; this line was apparently 
hallucinated by someone several days ago and has since contaminated the
memories of far too many others.  The actual line refers only to "our
friends", and I think it was obvious that they referred to Picard and
company, not the Cardassians.  

Jim Yingst	yingst@ccit.arizona.edu
From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why Data has white face
Date: 27 Dec 92 12:53:02 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <3595@voodoo.UUCP>, larry@shiva.ca.boeing.com (Larry Miller) writes:
> Why is it that in 500 years they're still building androids that do not
> look human? Do you think if Data ever gets the *emotion* chip from his 
> brother, that he might inexplicably turn into a more *human* looking color?
> 
> It's always bugged me!
>  
> -- 
> Larry Miller                                             \"If it ain't BOEING
> Boeing Computer Services     larry@shiva.ca.boeing.com    \  I ain't going"
> Seattle, WA
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> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
	Data has a white face because: There is no blood circulating
				       To distinguish him
				       To make ST:TNG more interesting

	Alex-- 

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:55:32 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan3.034918.27318@smsc.sony.com> tucker@smsc.sony.com (Tim Tucker) writes:
>> 2) It's unrealistic for command of the Federation flagship to be given to
>>    someone who has never held a regular command of his own.  More likely,
>>    command would be given to an experienced Captain, and Riker would be
>>    offered the captaincy of a smaller ship.

>Just out of curiousity, how many people out their have noticed that in many
>respects Riker is *ALREADY* in command of the Enterprise?  If you think about
>it, Picard basically lets Riker run the ship now.  He only comes out of his
>office to make high level judgements, and acts a lot like an Admiral on the
>deck of the Enterprise.  As long as Riker has good command judgement, he
>should be able to take over the Enterprise easily (...in a few episodes, he
>has done this when Picard was missing :-)).

Well, I don't really think Riker is running the show.  His degree of command
is mainly limited to figuring out how to implement Picard's orders.  For
instance, Picard says "Let's take the ship over here", and Riker provides then
exact orders ("this heading, this warp speed") to take the ship there.  Riker
figures out HOW to do things, but Picard decides WHAT needs to be done.

And, in times of crisis, it's really Picard who gives the orders.  Riker
voices an opinion (as to Troi, Data, Worf, and others), but Picard chooses
from among their recommendations (or takes his own course).  One strong and
fairly recent example of this was "Cause And Effect" where (initially) it was
DATA'S suggestion that Picard took, not Riker's.

>I haven't seen the Picard & Riker command sharing topic come up before, and I
>think it has something to add to these discussions.  Think about how Picard
>and Riker divide command up on the Enterprise.  Riker has a lot of power and
>command responsibility right now!  Maybe this adds some meat to why Riker
>wouldn't want to leave the Enterprise.  He is having a great time now, and
>Picard will retire eventually...

Right, but what happens if someone else is assigned command of the ship, as
Jellico was in "Chain Of Command"?

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

Be warned: I will answer flames and condescensions in kind.
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From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities)
Subject: Re: ST:DS9 - I saw the premier on Satellite!!!!
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 06:58:27 GMT

In article <D2150040.mhd9e5@phunt.howtek.MV.COM> phil@phunt.MV.COM writes:
>It was on 12/30 6:45pm Telstar 301/10v
>
>It was OK, not great!!!!!
>
>But, it was neat to see a totally different ST for a change.
>
>BTW, the date on the splash screen was 1/4/93, which is the first airdate
>for the episode.
>
>Phil
>
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I likewise just saw it. The first three minutes are the most
blood-pounding, but I reflect that on whole it was quite entertaining
while maintaining a good tempo of action.

I think that it will serve to be the most, shall we say, spiritually
challenging of all the Trek variations. The others seem to be . . . quite
secular in comparison.

I am already waiting for the next one. It may not replace TNG (or Trek
Classic) in my heart of hearts . . . but then again, what will? TNG will
serve quite nicely as a close substitute.

Kris Magnusson

-- 
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Ph.D. candidate, philosophy, University of Utah
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yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)
From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: DS9 in boston area?
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:40:26 GMT
Organization: Clark University

In a previous article, twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore) wrote:
>In article <1992Dec14.081550.748@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
>>In article <lis.724198287@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu  
>>(Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>>> Last year, when channel 56 ran their Star Trek marathon, they
>>> advertised that they'd be carrying DS9 when it started in January.
> 
>Okay, let me see if I can add to the confusion.  Just got done watching
>Chain of Command and channel five was saying that they would be carrying
>DS9 as of some time in January.  Somehow I think they would be carrying
>DS9 rather than 56 due:  1) they are already carrying TNG;  and 2) they
>probably have more $ to bid for DS9.
> 
Nope.  The DS9 ad was "part of" TNG as beamed from Paramount to all the 
stations that carry TNG.  Channel 5 won't be carrying DS9.  They were given 
first option on it (as all TNG-carriers were I believe) but turned it down.  
Best guess is they weren't interested in The Untouchables, which was sold in a 
bundle with DS9.  They're a network affiliate and only have so much network 
time to blow away.

Three cheers to WCVB-5, though.  When TNG first premiered, they were the only 
network affiliate in the US to show it during prime-time (Saturday 8pm).  Of 
course now its 7pm, but six years ago they got some free press on 
Entertainment Tonight for the prime-time slot.

On a related note, I'm wondering about ratings for 56 for DS9.  They are 
showing it Sunday night, while 64 in Providence is Saturday night.  Also, 64 
is showing the premier 4 days before 56.  [I'm near Worcester, where we get 
both channels on cable and broadcast].  To beat all to death, 56 is stereo, 64 
isn't.  [for others, 5 and 64 show TNG at the same time.] 

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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:57:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

>Begging your pardon, but I believe the ship that blew up in the
>"Conspiracy" episode was an Ambassador class starship, not Galaxy.

Wrong, the ship was the E's sister ship - the Yamato.
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Keywords: stupid question
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:15:11 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <29030@optima.cs.arizona.edu> margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:
>Why wouldn't Riker assume captaincy of the Enterprise?  They've offered
>him ships before.  He has the experience, etc...  Why doesn't anyone
>mention him?  I probably missed something along the way.  Has he been
>disqualified? -maybe he has too much hair...

Yes, this has been discussed a lot recently on this group.  To summarize,
there are basically two reasons why many people don't think Riker would make a
good captain:

1) They don't like Jonathan Frakes, or at least don't think that he or his
   character are stong enough to be the center of the show.

2) It's unrealistic for command of the Federation flagship to be given to
   someone who has never held a regular command of his own.  More likely,
   command would be given to an experienced Captain, and Riker would be
   offered the captaincy of a smaller ship.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

    "What about you, Captain?" Krill asked.  "Do you seek death, or do you
run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
		- "Escape From The Holdfast", by Jim Hart; Captain's Log #8
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: Piccard's butt - Chain of Command II - SPOILERS
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:12:00 GMT

In a previous article jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) spake...
>I agree, but I don't think it happened here.  I think it happened with  
>the exposure of Marina Sirtis' breasts for no other point than to  
>acquire ratings.

Oh please, no one watches Trek for the sole purpose of looking at breasts.
Besides, I think Beverly is much more attractive than Troi. It has nothing
to do with breasts (or butts or...). 
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<linley@seas.ucla.edu>    |
From: HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 Article in TV Guide
Date: 28 Dec 1992 04:33:10 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Support Services
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FYI - For those of you who don't take TV Guide, there is supposed to be 
a big article on DS9 in the *next* issue (*not* the one currently on the 
stands).
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:09:07 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec22.160432.25786@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:


>Uh, well, this line is completely useless and insignificant to the plot,
>as it turns out in part II!

Have you heard of a plot device called a "red herring?"



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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Latest ST:DSN Schedule (corrected)
Date: 26 Dec 92 04:48:10 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec25.142753.28809@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
<In article <4631@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<>In article <4630@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<><
<><Here is the first of many postings regarding ST:DSN scheduling.
<><
<><
<><1/2   1/02/93     		Emissary
<><  3   1/09/93  404		Past Prologue
<><  4   1/16/93  403		A Man Alone
<><  5   1/23/93  405		Babel
<
<Is there some reason episode 404 is airing before episode 403?

No idea.  Only know that it was changed.
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