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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:05:27 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: fire and ice
              24 Aug 1992 22:45:16 CDT from <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>

>>Do any of you experienced people know what'll take masking-tape gunk off
>>windows without damaging the glass?  Neither Windexnor alcohol worked...
>
>1). scrape it off with a straight-edge razor
>or
>2). dissolve it of with acetone or some other noxious low-flash-point solvent

The gum on most such tapes is dextrin based.  Aliphatic hydrocarbons of
medium weight are the right solvent - so anything from gasoline (aka lighter
fluid) on down to kerosene or stove oil should do.  Lighter fluid is
very clean and comes in handy small containers.  Be careful of fire, of
course - it is quite volatile.

Windex is mainly water, with a small amount of alcohol and a dash of
ammonia - so won't do much.  Acetone (dimethyl ketone) will
probably work nicely, but if you spill even a drop or two on paint
or fabric it can be nasty.  And it is hard on the skin.  Also - it is so
volatile that by the time you get the cap back on the bottle the tape
may have dried up again.  (Or you leave the cap off and soon don't have
any acetone left.)

I'd scrape off the top layer with the straight-ed... now wait a minute - I
think -abh means a single-edged razor blade - then soak the remaining
gunk with lighter fluid, wait a minute or so, and it should come off
fairly easily.

Tony H.
(junior chemistry nerd and home handyperson)
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From:         "tk0jut1@mvs.cso.niu.edu jim thomas"
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Subject:      The tyranny of fatal food

    >In my mother's house, the grivenes were what was left of the fat
    >laden skin of the chicken after the fat was rendered. The chicken
    >fat itself was schmaltz.

Yeh, that's what I should have said. Now, shall we turn to
pork rinds, which are actually quite tastey?

Jim (grits don't kill, syrup does) Thomas
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:24:51 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration
              28 Aug 1992 16:20:59 CDT from <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:20:59 CDT Tushar Samant said:

>*I* don't aspirate at all. Those were my guesses.

Yeah - I understand.  Shorthand, you know.

>>       - +                               + +
>>   i n k p o t                       i n k p o t
>                                      ~~~~~~~~~~~
>I didn't even know it was possible to aspirate k AND p in a cluster!

Remember what I said about trusting native speakers' interpretations
of their own pronunciations.  But I think am am saying it that way.

>>   -     -                           +     -
>>   c a s t i l l i a n               c a s t i l l i a n
>
>OK, how do you accent this?

On the second syllable.  I think the - on the t is because I think
of it as cast-ILLian rather than cas-TILLian.

Tony H.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:14:10 EDT
From:         Theresa Wild <TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      ducky St. George

  Thanks G and Ruth for St. George.  G - I heard a possible line about
just ducky referring to the game warden on estates replying that every-
thing was just ducky meaning under control and ready for the upcoming
shoot.  Don't know if this rings a bell.


  -ggs thanks for the story about just ducky, if anyone ever says that
in my presence again, I will no doubt look at them and picture that
they have just swallowed a meadow muffin.  :)    I feel that for the
sheer enjoyment you gave me, I will return to you a saying to use in
the future,  can be but not necessarily used on pigs :) ---

   It's nothing to squeal about.

 Theresa
twild@uriacc.uri.edu
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:41:22 CDT
From:         MAYNOR%MSSTATE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: writing

But I like "future forever foregone, if..."!
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:11:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Was gonna watch a movie

I was gonna watch a Truffaut flick, read the Brothers K again,
and here *I* am fiddling away.

Rita--when you read this--it is apparent that you do, in fact,
have a life.  It is apparent that Natalie and I do not.  Or maybe
I should only speak for myself.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:31:57 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: English Aspiration
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              Aug 28, 92 5:50 pm

>
> It is possible.  One of the problems with teaching students to pronounce
> Spanish correctly is the unaspirated <t> and <p> and <k>....

I can understand practising when you're learning a new language, but I
don't understand how one can consciously modify <aspiration> patterns
in a language he's been speaking for many years.  It seems very weird.

rashmi
(rashmi@coe.drexel.edu)
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Bubble Forms
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 00:02:00 GMT
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Not every school has eliminated bubble forms (or bingo cards) for
registration.  I just asked a colleague and as of a year ago
the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign still used them.
He hasn't heard of any changes and believes they still do.
30,000+ students continue to fill in the dots on their way
to educational excellence.

--karsten

(The Engineering Placement Office there finally stopped using
IBM cards a few years ago, so they might change in a few decades.)
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:16:37 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      sign of the times
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seen while cruising in the rain up US 95 in central Idaho, somewhere around
Riggins....


           PeACHe's FOr SALe



(Cinda and I figured we knew how the dialog went.... )



Hey, Bill....that sign needs one of them possifee things in there, don't it?

Yeah, spose  so....but where's it go....what'd Miss Maynor say to do with it?

Shit, I don't know....just stick it in somewhere.....





dan and cinda
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:41:16 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: shooting spree

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:00:16 EDT <PBARFOOT@SUVM> said:
>Face to face, at least you get the additional input of facial
>expression, tone of voice, body language, etc. On the net, all
>that is available is the written word and the history of past
>interactions.

From the media reports here, it seems that his colleagues, neighbours,
etc. were just as surprised as the net audience - perhaps more so.

The media are spending most of their time on the gun control aspects
of the shooting - the guy had three handguns, one with a permit
acquired two weeks ago for "self defence" purposes.  Such permits
are as rare as hens' teeth, so the Minister of Justice has launched
an inquiry.  No one seems to have stumbled across the net stuff yet,
but doubtless they will.

(For those who don't know - gun control is a sacred cow of sorts in Canada.
The much discussed "gun lobby" consists of about 17 rather scared hunters
and collectors.  Even civil liberties lawyers think gun control is such an
obviously good thing that - well how could anyone object ?  To purchase
*any* firearm (say a .22 rifle), you need a Firearms Acquisition Certificate
(FAC).  This is pretty easy to get - you basically fill in a form claiming
you aren't mentally disturbed etc., and the police have a week or so to check
you out.  Many types of guns are prohibited weapons - you may not own
one under any circumstances (e.g. fully automatic, sawed off shotguns, etc.
also most tear gas, Tasers and such).  Restricted weapons (typically handguns)
need a much harder to get permit.  You can get a permit to carry the thing
from your secure storage to your gun club/shooting range without *too*
much trouble, but these permits are under attack -  many people think
that such guns should have to be kept at the range at all times.  And there
is the rarely granted permit to actually carry a loaded handgun - there are
supposedly only a few hundred in the entire country.  So how this guy got
one will be a matter of much interest.)

Tony H.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:08:43 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ubi Sunt?
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>Tell us what the Real Rita is like!!!!!

Who is *that* alliteration for?

-abh
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:14:45 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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	>Ditto. I've no idea what 'eighth' is relevant to either, but it's a
	>good word to drop in morphological conversations.
	>
	>G

	Why, what is it an example of?

I've no idea.  It's a good one, though.

G
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:42:00 MST
From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Punctuation

While we're on the subject...  Why are the British so parsimonious with
periods?  Mr rather than Mr., for example.  Now, were they Scots I could
understand it.  "Gud God, mon, deeya think ink grrrows on trrrees?"  8-)
(I can do this - G's out of town, right?)

John "Ye tak the trrrrain doon to the City for bit to eat and a show, and
BANG goes thruppence!" W.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:26:59 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Words-l All-Amazon Task Force
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Posted on 31 Aug 1992 at 08:35:48 by Natalie Maynor
>I will, of course, buy a t-shirt even though I hate purple.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

If I make them Natalie, rest assured they won't be purple.

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:51:27 PDT
From:         "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD%UCSBVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      First the phone booths, (was Re: Superman

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:28:36 EDT Evelyn said:
>I read this morning that DC Comics is planning to kill off Superman.
>I feel as if part of my childhood just died.

Gentle Evelyn,
   I find it equally distressing that Dagwood is going to quit his job
with Mr. Dithers next Monday (Labor Day), and go to work in Blondie's
and Tootsie's catering business.  I felt that, after fifty years together,
they were beginning to understand each other.  Mr. Dithers was certainly
being more open in recent years.  I really didn't mind when Blondie
started catering; it seemed an appropriate reflection of the times.  Also,
after raising teenagers for over thirty years, she could do with an outside
interest.  Somehow, though, Dagwood quitting his job seems as inappropriate
as Dennis (the Menace) going off to college.
   Ah, well.  Times change, and so does the Herald-Examiner.
Peace,
Elwood P. (always read the newspaper from back to front) Dowd
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:42:50 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NIMROD

>Nim-rod \'nim-,ra^:d\ n
>[Heb Nimro^-dh]
>1: a descendant of Ham represented in Genesis as a mighty hunter and
>     a king of Shinar

Grandson, actually, I just read.

>2 not cap: HUNTER

As in radar.

There are also nimrod mosquitoes in Florida.  Very nasty beasties
apparently.

N. is also a quite common current first name in Israel.  There's
also a black South African writer, Nimrod Mklele.

Everything you always wanted to know about Nimrod--except for the
source of its perjorative meaning.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:49:57 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: What does this mean?
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              28 Aug 92 14:42:23 -0400. <9208281843.AA08094@sics.se>

>Can someone tell me what "boffo" means?  I usually guess by the context, but
>am not sure if it's correct.  The online webster doesn't have it.

bast> webster boffo
boff \'ba^:f\
 or bof-fo \'ba^:f-(,)o^-\ n,  pl boffs or boffos
[prob. fr. box office]
(1946)
1: a hearty laugh
2: a gag or line that produces a hearty laugh
3: something that is conspicuously successful: HIT

bof-fo \'ba^:f-(,)o^-\
(ca. 1945)
:extremely successful: SENSATIONAL


  Is this it?
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Old machines
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:14:45 GMT


In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>My questions was more on the mark than I realized - you *have* been
>working with old machines.  *Why* do you have so many cars?
	The better to make the Miata look in comparison?  Well heck, Doris,
those bombs of his are close to being classic cars, if they're not already.
Caddies that age will run until they fall apart at the seams.:-)

>The sharing of your story and Don's sharing of his story are what make
>this list seem so much like a family. Peace to both of you.
Here here.  Some stories people just have to tell, because keeping it
to themselves just doesn't work.  The listeners don't have to do anything
for the talkers; they help just by showing that they are willing to listen,
even if it isn't really possible for them to understand.  So spill away.:)

>And remember, some of those old machines are made much better than the new
>ones and function better, so, bruther, that was a compliment. :-)
Amen - I like old[er] machines.:-)  My photoenlarging equipment [or my dad's
to be more honest about it] is at minimum 14 years older than I am.  One huge
hunk of steel dates back to the <first> World War, and will handle 5x7
negatives with no problems at all.  Just *try* and find modern stuff that will
do that.  Then call us after you get out of the sixteen years of intense
psychotherapy you needed after all the frustration and walls suitable for
banging heads on that you encountered while failing in your quest.:-)

Older human machines are cool too.:-)  
>
-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Subject: Re: Lint-free cloths
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:51:07 GMT
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              30 Aug 1992 03:57:04 GMT from <ak743@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>

On Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:57:04 GMT Doretta Hanschka said:
>  Don't forget Connecticut - we had a ton of that stuff [used needles -
>cheap!] last summer, and a bit more this year.
>
   another reason we only went to NH, MA, RI on our clamtrip i guess....

thanks for the reminder...

dan
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:57:18 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re:

What the hell happened to my precious postings? One has shown up and
the previous ones haven't.

tushar
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Jewish Murderers have grivenas a new topic......
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:21:05 GMT

Jim, the gribenas/grivenas is the crackly stuff left behind when the fat is
rendered -- SCHMALTZ is the fat itself.

--bayla (who renders chicken skins just to have the grivenas: nobody lets
me cook with schmaltz anymore)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:03:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
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Subject:      What about Henry?

Dan observes:

   >   Ahhhh, Graham....but for Jim it is a _professional_ interest....
   >its what he DOES.....

Right, Dan. And my point of the rather gruesome anecdote was to
concede, up-front, that despite my own ideological antipathy
against the death penalty, I sometimes waver when confronted with
the sheer horror and continued brutality of some of this stuff.
Whenever I find myself defending life imprisonment for even the
most brutal and hardcore predators, I always wind up asking myself:
"What about Henry?" (Which is also the title of a pro-abolition
paper)--what do those of us who advocate abolition do with
somebody who *DEMONSTRABLY* poses a significant threat to the
lives of staff and other inmates even when locked in the most
restrictive conditions allowed by (and, in this case, beyond) law? My
intent wasn't to sound glib, but to share a dilemma some of us face.
Although I'll defend my "answer" as best I can, I'm not at all happy
with it as a realistic alternative. Prisons don't "work," but current
policies don't confront this realistically. I confess that, under the
current system, there are no workable solutions without dramatic (and
politically unacceptable) restructing of how we impose sanctions.

Henry is the one single case that I sometimes find myself thinking
that, on some extremely rare occasions, it may be necessary to impose
the death penalty, at least until we can devise a more human system of
justice.  Jim (increasingly cynical) Thomas
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Private vs. Public Schools
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 23:49:04 GMT
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gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal) writes:
> The most you should expect from junior and high school is to learn to
> read and write english in a manner acceptable to your peers, to master
> basic arithmetic, and to grasp the scientific method.  Those are the
> only innate skills that have to be drilled in; the rest is intellectual
> exercise that you can treat yourself to as an adult.

Unfortunately these schools are generally unwilling to give you a diploma
until you've served a fixed sentence.  If you acquire the above skills
early on you just sit and rot for years.

--karsten

(Has the volume picked up enough to make everybody happy yet?)
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:45:47 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration
              28 Aug 1992 18:06:55 GMT from <karsten@NETCOM.COM>

On Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:06:55 GMT karsten said:
>When this topic first appeared I couldn't understand the interest
>(or some of the posts!).  Now I find myself quietly saying words
>with my hands in front of my mouth.  My coworkers undoubtedly think
>I've joined some strange cult and am worshipping during breaks.

You have.

>
>Thanks.
>
>--karsten
>
>("Praise be to words-l, source of all that is good and right...")

Thanks for our new T-shirt slogan!
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Subject:      Barron's on Bush

Greetings,

Alan Abelson's cover story inthe Aug. 24 Barron's is fascinating (especially
for its discussion of what the Japanese government is trying to pull of in
order to salvage the securities markets).  This little nugget comes from
that article:

The Grand Old Party displayed an unprecedented daring and imagination by
nominating a democrat--Hary Truman--as its candidate for the presidency.
In choosing as its standard bearer a being not among the quick, the
party was sticking to its oldest and most closely held principle, that
the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.  Mr. Truman, as widely expected,
picked Elvis Presley as his running mate.  Mr. Bush was faced with the
formidable task of persuading the nation that for four years he has
shared the presidency with another man, who, as happenstance would have
it, bore the same name.  Under this arrangement, he handled foreign affairs
while his namesake was charged with overseeing matters domestic.  Mr. Bush
succeeded in this daunting undertaking admirably, persuading both the
multitudes in the dome and the millions viewing the historic proceedings
from afar by offering irrefutable evidence: the unreliable co-president, who,
Mr. Bush scornfully noted, was too cowardly to show up, had raised
taxes, while he, the real George Bush, was proposing a great tax cut!  ANd
he further confided to his rapt audience that the other Bush was, in fact,
a Manchurian Bush deliberately planted in the administration by the
democrats to wreak havoc on the economy.


My apologies for any typos (and Graham, I know you haven't read this far,
but sorry about that huge block of unrelieved text).

Marty Rosen
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:48:52 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration
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Posted on 30 Aug 1992 at 15:03:37 by Gilbert Smith
>This is probably because a voiced consonant is (I think) never
>aspirated (*p*ick, yes; *b*ick, no)......

In English.

>--ggs (who *does* practice those unaspirated Spanish consonants and
>*does* think it makes sense to practice to make perfect....)

Yes, but some of us still can't do it....there's a *reason* I do
Japanese and not Spanish!

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:54:27 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Looking out
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On Fri, 14 Aug 1992, BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU wrote:
> Here's a usage that I've been wondering about:
>
>     >I could look it out for you.
> I've encountered it in two distinct senses:
>    1) I could look it up for you.  [consult something -- files, a
>                                    dictionary -- to find an answer
>                                    or satisfy an info request}
>    2) I could look around and see   [e.g., go to shops where I live
>       what's available.              that you don't have in your area]
>       Does this usage come naturally to anyone on the list?
>       I think Tony and Graham will say yes.

It seems unnatural to me...I wouldn't use it for either meaning.
ndh
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