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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: The Usenet Soc.Motss Tales
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:01:47 GMT

In article <X1991Aug11.010159.19033@athena.mit.edu>
max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:

>The Usenet Soc.Motss Tales

Well done indeed, dear friend.

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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: When Lesbians Kiss
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:54:13 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <s8br=!#@lynx.unm.edu> miller@triton.unm.edu (R.C. Miller) writes:
>
>When Dan asked, "Do you ever have occasion to ice and oil a potato?", was it a 
>veiled reference to dildos au natural? 

Brrrrr!  If the ice wasn't in there, maybe.  But, then I typically
like my dil... err, potatos hot.

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From: kkenny@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:54:11 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

In article <1g7v1tINN1si@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> And if you want to claim
> that what you wrote about either is not stoopid,
> you're going to have to let me know your working
> definitions of the words "tradition" and "culture".

Oh, I see.  *Your* definitions are above suspicion.  Melinda
has to qualify hers for you!

Arne, quit while you are behind!

Karen, who found the countryside outside of Pittsburgh somewhat enchanting
but who couldn't find a good bookstore that catered to lesbians
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Indications of homosexuality (was Re: How to tell if your son is gay)
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:44:11 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) wrote:
>What do folks with long hair who shower in the morning do? It takes my
>hair an hour and a half to dry. I'm not going to use a blow dryer. I'm
>not about to wake up an hour and a half early in the morning.

I wouldn't let a hair dyer touch mine either.  I simply shower, comb,
and let dry.  It takes about an hour to dry, and this isn't a problem
since I do live in a warmer climate, although temperatures in the
morning have been in the 40's.

When I lived in PA, I did the same, no matter how cold it was, and didn't
wear a hat or anything else protective.  By the time I would get to my
destination, my hair was icicles, but it quickly thawed.  I don't believe
I ever got sick because of that.

>Another indication of homosexuality in men - incessant talk about
>hair. You there, Steven?

It gets trimmed maybe every six months.  I've done the various color
things and won't make that mistake again.  I also did the perm thing.
I suppose one must experience these things to know how awful they
can actually be.  I'm now content to just let it hang naturally.
Shampoo every morning, and condition once a week, only if absolutely
necessary.  Let dry.  No artificial goop.  Voila.  Hair.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:05:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.113234.23850@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

[in reference to my objections to his proposed scheme for splitting soc.motss]
> I await superior suggestions.

Well, I thought my position was clear, but I guess maybe that's
because it was clear to *me*. I should know better, in this medium, by
now.

I'm not proposing an alternative splitting scheme because I think
splitting the group is a bad idea. So, in that respect, my alternative
suggestion is: do nothing.

Insofar as the problems engendered by mass cross-posting, and
sloppiness with respect to Subject: lines need correction, my argument
is that splitting soc.motss doesn't address them. What addresses them
is self-discipline.

I think that, in a subsequent posting, I offered a set of sufficiently
concrete suggestions for dealing with that issue to at least be a
basis for discussion.

> 
> A while back, there was an 8-way split of the (then one)
> NeXT group.  I had all sorts of misgivings about it, but it
> has worked very well.  There are occasional inappropriate
> cross-postings or things landing in the wrong group, but
> such problems are minimal.

Not reading any of the NeXT groups, I'll take your word for it. I might
argue that the nature of the topics likely to be discussed in a
technical group is so very different from the kind of conversation
that goes on here that I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in it as a
precedent.

But I suppose we won't know if we don't try. If somebody proposes a
division that gets sufficient support, and it passes a vote, we'll
find out.
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:30:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47502
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Dec18.081817.23388@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <47467@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>>btw: this thread is starting to sound like a chat between you and Nelson
>>and I don't think I should have to read it.
>
>Oh, it's OK, markie-poo.

Okay, it's true, I'm just grumpy from not being able to make the dinner
which I laborously set up just because of a few thousand people who
don't know how to drive in the snow.  I still don't know who all made
it to the dinner though.

>BTW, why didn't you make it to that motss dinner at Alexis? There was
>only a couple of inches of snow. I guess the traffic was bad. Well, we
>had a wonderful time without you.

Bad?  You will recall that Scott and Gerrit got stuck for 2 hours on
hwy 10!  The Sunset was even worse.  You probably missed the official
request for people not to travel into downtown as traffic was at less than
one mile per hou - and that was 2 hours after the snow stopped!  Foolish
Californians who move here and get what they deserve (tm).

>And everyone, guess what - it was my first time doing the wine ritual.

oooh!  That means that the Alexis could loose their liquor license!

>>a group called soc.motss.wool.scarves
>
>what about soc.motss.sexy.people.without.shift.keys.in.red.scarves? I
>can't tell what the scarf was made of from the GIF, but I suspect it
>was silk..

<sigh>  I almost bought someone a cashmere scarf for Xmas this year
given his appropos nickname of "ice elf", but held off as while
cashmere is nice, it's not that nice at Nordie's prices.

>Oh, did I mention that I have a splitting headache?
it's the wine.

--mark
--
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                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Porno for women vs. Women's porno
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:11:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec14.111117.3213
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Dec14.020126.7403@u.washington.edu> rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>Second-Vaguely arty porn.  Samuel Steward-Phil Andros, the For the
>Love of a Master series, most of Flesh and the Word...  I enjoy
>reading it, might even read it if I wasn't already feeling ichy, but
>it really doesn't work as one-handed reading for me-it doesn't get me
>off.

Hmm, that's too bad! Seriously "arty" porn doesn't get me off, no, but
if I identify with a character or even with some of the genitalia,
then it will get me off. It's the main reason I managed to finish
"Naked Lunch". I still think it's damned unreadable, but I knew that
if I stuck with the book long enough I'd find something that turned me
on. Some of the stories in "Flesh and the Word" made me quite hot -
Blue Light and Waiting for Chernenko (?), among others. Some of them
were just boring..

I actually read some erotica written and posted to the net that was
pretty good - both reasonably well written and it made me horny. The
weird thing was that it was (more or less) het porn. I found that I
identified with the woman who was being ravished.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian band at Inaugural:  Musings and Details
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:46:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.170733.18064@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:

>I think about the invitation (which I happen to have a copy of
>right in front of me), and I get teary:

     [parts deleted]

>reacts with heartening enthusiasm.  I would be a fool not
>to take advantage of this opportunity (despite borrowing money
>and taking the unplanned vacation days that this requires).

After reading Steven's wonderful post on how his band will  go to the 
Inaugural, it occurred to me that if a small community can hold bake sales 
and car washes to send their high school marching band to the Macy's 
Thanksgiving Day Parade, surely we can make sure that the Gay/Lesbian Band
and its members can go in style.  So, Steve, can you please publicly post 
an address for contributions?  I'll pass on the bake sale, but I will be 
happy to write a check!  

And thanks again, Steve, for a terrific post!  This is why I read soc.motss!

Emily
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Is it actually 10%??
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:32:47 GMT

In article <rizzoe.589.724685681@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>
>I believe Pat Robertson had an answer to your question:
>
>  "The feminist agenda has nothing to do with 
>  equal rights for women. It is a socialist, 
>  anti-family movement that encourages women 
>  to leave their husbands, kill their children, 
>  practice withchdraft, destroy capitalism and 
>  become lesbians." 

I guess that's why I like feminists so much.  They have my kind
of values.  Pass the barbequed baby please.


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:44:24 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <BzEAC0.BLs@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.044450.27914@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>>Oh come on, this is silly, everyone knows that it should be soc.motss.pods
>>and soc.motss.nonpods.  

>In point of fact, of course, the first group shouldn't exist.  (It
>won't, anyway.  The pods will vote it down.)

No, shouldn't it be a moderated group (at least it appear so to those 
of us outside the group, but those posting will know better) called 
soc.motss.cabal and a free-for-all group called soc.motss.peons?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Maybe a dumb question...
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:37:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.013614.23815@spdcc.com>
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
 
>gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (Joseph M. Gerkman) writes:
>>Are there any states where same-sex marriage is legal?  And another
>>question related to it...if there is a state where same-sex marriage is
>>legal, wouldn't other states have to honor a marriage granted in that
>>other state
>
>        1) No.
>        2) Yes.
>
>        :-)
>
>        That's why the court battle going on in Hawaii should be VERY
>much in the minds of the GBLO*-community.
>
>        Unlike equal rights, marriage rights under the current
>law *could* be overturned in all states with the first one.
>I say *could* because these things are always written such that
>whatever we want is always compromised and/or watered down to some
>other level.  My suspicon is that if/when we get a state to let
>us marry there will be some exception place that doesn't let it
>carry to other states... but that is probably some years off still.
>
I'm not sure, but I think the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Const-
itution would make a marriage legally performed under one state's laws
binding in another. At least, judgments in lawsuits in one state carry
over borders...
 
Tracey
Shyster stealth lesbian weasel-in-training
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... ))
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:49:58 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Motss-relevant bicycle attachments? Why, banana seats, you fool!


	Ooooh that reminds me of a porno movie I once saw: don't
ask me anything about it since I can't even remember if it was
strayt or gay, but it took place in a porno theatre and
during the rest of the action they kept cutting to a guy in a trench coat
(who was bearish but not my type) ostenwsibly beating off underneath it...
At one point, he reaches underneath and starts to pull out....

	.... a bicycle seat...

	Go figure...  

	OK - I was expecting something else, and I was very perplexed...
Certainly it endeared the character to me ---  I wanted to see if
he'd come out with a rabbit or whatever next... :-)

BBC
From: lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cracker-Jack Prizes (was Re: Why don't more women post?)
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:24:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Dec11.192440.23914
Organization: University of North Carolina

In article <1992Dec11.040844.19038@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.030655.12452@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>>
>>I got a care package from my mom today.  It had Cracker Jacks in it.  I
>>was very disappointed to find out that the prize inside was just a stupid,
>>ugly sticker of a UFO.  What happened to all the good prizes, like the
>>rings and the temporary tatoos and stuff!?!? Anyway, it was a real bummer.
>
>You just had bad luck. I just got a brand-new cock ring in *my*
>cracker-jacks.
>
>Of course, it was <ouch> kid-sized...

I got the same package, and ate the Cracker Jacks just to see what I got. 
The prize was a picture of a magician.  It had a plastic film over it so
when you moved it, the magician pulled a rabbit out of the hat....very
cool.  (Wish I had gotten a tattoo though.)  
 Look on the bright side though, your mother loves you season!  I know I
feel loved.   :)


Huh? ----->AJ
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: State laws regarding same-sex marriage
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:24:44 GMT
Keywords: marriage legal gay

In article <1992Dec16.145409.20040@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.191552.24338@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> > 	Yes, I kagree that a precedent exists, my point was that
> > we have never been able to get things that easily.  I suspect
> > that when the first state falls, there will be a flurry in other
> > stars to make sure that there is some excpetion that says queer
> > marriages don't apply...  Now whether or not Lovejoy v. Virginia
> > eventually wins out as a precedent, who knows, but I'll bet it
> > won't go that smoothly.
> 
> I'm pretty certain, however, that *other* states have nothing to say
> about it, if there's no such provision in the originating state's law.
> In other words, if Hawaii passes a law that extends marriage to
> persons of the same sex (or, as is at issue now, Hawaii's existing
> marriage law is determined to apply to same-sex marriages), the "full
> faith and credit" clause of the 10th(?) Amendment requires all other
> states to recognize all Hawaii marriages as legitimate.

Actually, it's Article IV: "Full faith and credit shall be given in
each state to the public acts, records and judicial recordings of
every other state."  Later it goes on to say, "The citizens of each
state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in
the several states."

Sounds cut and dried to me, and a bigger boost to Hawaii's sagging
tourist industry I can't imagine.  Anyone know what the residency
requirement is there?

One question though: Various companies have extended "spousal" benefits
to same-sex domestic partners on the grounds that they are denied the
ability to become spouses.   If Hawaii allows same-sex spouses, will
these companies withdraw that option?  Will (can) they withdraw it in
states other than Hawaii if only Hawaii allows it?  Etc.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:23:23 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) addresses me:
 >	Hey whatever blows up your skirt!
 >BBC, lifting up his back leg and aiming... :-) :-) :-)

Bob, you're a real pisser!



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:39:38 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Dec20.231739.8064@reed.edu> 
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>found Usenet, or later?

Since getting to college, a good number of my friends have been computer-
nerdish. JI kept mentioning things he'd read on 'sock.motts' (that's how 
he pronounces it). Towards the end of my sophomore year, I started reading
Usenet. The summer thereafter, I started reading soc.motss. I think the biggest
thing that kept me from starting to lurk here at the same time as I started
lurking elsewhere is that I'm bi and that my then-best-friend-and-lust-object
was freaked enough by the more subtle signs that I was lusting after her.

Tot schrijfs,
-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Pomo Afro Homos!
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:44:21 GMT

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

>In <Bz2AB0.77o@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:


>>If it makes any difference, all three of these things generally bore
>>me to tears.  Most of the "mainstream gay periodicals" I have seen,
>>such as The Advocate, Out!, Christopher Street, OutLook, and even QW,
>>have struck me as singularly self-centered and unimpressive.
OUT! and Advocate are the only two national mag on this list.
OUTLook is defunct.


>On top of that, heavens forfend that you live in a "rural" area -- from
>what I've seen in the Advocate, cities like Atlanta, Cincinnati,
>Minneapolis/St. Paul, or Pittsburgh (sorry, couldn't resist) either
>don't exist or are simply the places where "TrueQueers" in the "real"
>cities come from.

>To me, there is no such thing as a "National Gay Press".  Only 
>provincial publications claiming they speak for all of us.

Bitch! Moan! Complain! Complain! Why don't you do something about it, like 
writing those magazines and informing them of your thoughts. Or form your own
national gay 'zine. _QW_ does NOT call itself a National Magazine. It IS a New
York centered mag and says so. The Advocate TRIES to get more diverse views 
and I think they are doing a reasonable job at it.

But due to the nature of their locations, they are more likely to get stories
from LA, since that is where the Advocate is based.

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From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Everyone Have a Great Holiday!
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:03:04 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina
Originator: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu

I hope that everyone has a good holiday.  I'm unsubscribing until I get
back on 11 January.  I hope that I can log on at ASU.

Merry Xmas and all that.

oh, and Season's greetings ;)

season


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czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Legos
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:04:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47128
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Dec10.234008.19851@cabezon.uucp> kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:
>So I'm sitting here looking at all the new Lego kits I bought for myself
>and am wondering: A 28 year old Lego Maniac - is this a gay thing or just an 
>engineering geek thing?

Rather, you are a 28 year-old Lego Maniac who also rebuilds pinball
machines.  I'm not all that sure about the Lego thing (tho I suspect),
but the pinball and Lego combination is just too twee.

Of course, it could be a gay engineering geek thing.  Wait!  You
aren't a mechanical engineer but one of those darn EE types!  What
are you doing with Legos?!?

And for those of you who might not have been at the con:  Ken is one
of the cutest 28 year-old engineer-geek Lego-queens that you are likely
to meet.  If only he flew stunt kites as well.  The way he drives that
sports car comes close to qualifying as a kite, but not quite.

--mark
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Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.