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Subject: Re: My comments on Finals and PBS broadcast
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:59:16 GMT
 <1992Sep8.171946.16340@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <1992Sep8.175220.1@vax1.umkc.edu> <1992Sep9.000736.1571@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1992Sep9.000736.1571@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep8.175220.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>>
>>What I am trying to say is 1) They had one of, if not the, best drill writers
>>in the country.  Why not use his writings as long as he can still write?  2) 
>>Their drill was no where near as good as it has been.  I  always felt that the
>>Cavies drill was one of the best out there, not anymore.  It was just very
>>disappointing.
>> 
> 
> Now I'm a little confused.  Do you believe that their drill was 5th or 6th
> because it did not live up to your expectations, or because it was 5th
> or 6th relative to the other drills this year?  There's a big difference,
> I think.  It sounds like you believe the former.

I was VERY dissappointed in their drill.  They, by comparison to the other
corps, deserved 5th or 6th as far as drill goes.  My disappointment was similar
to, but not quite as much as, my disappointment upon seeing SCV for the first
time.  It was too bad to see Gail's last show go like this.  But, the Cavies'
drill just wasn't what I was expecting.  As far as not living up to my
expectations, it was second to SCV's disappointing show.
 
>>True, there is more to drum corps than the highly visible stuff.  But... these
>>blown solos and dropped flags and such are not indicative of a world champion. 
>>It just seems that if you're going to have a world champion, you don't have
>>mistakes like that.  It wasn't to hard to catch that flag, or play that solo. 
>>Especially after 3-8 months of playing or catching.  I'm just saying that these
>>mistakes ARE indicative of a 4th or 5th place finisher, where I feel the Cavies
>>belonged.
>>
> 
> It looks like we more or less agree here.  I was just objecting to the
> suggested implication that (dropped flags, blown solos) implies (low
> ranking).  I would be more willing to say the following (phrased the
> way you phrased it above):
> That type of drop is the type of mistake a much younger and much
> less capable corps is more likely to make.
> 
> Even the best corps can have equipment drops, etc., including world
> champions.
> If this is what you meant, then we are in 100% agreement. 
> -- Donald

Yes, and I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet, but the Devils in '86
had a pretty pathetic flag drop in their show that was emblazoned on the TV
broadcast.  Of course, that drop wasn't on the 45 yard line in a flag feature. 
And they didn't botch their solos.

IRC nick-BlueDevil

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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: matchpoint
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:34:41 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>In article <Sep08.221250.51107@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>> 
>> The Colts played a piece a few years ago called "Matchpoint".
>> Does anyone know who wrote it and who recorded it?  I'd like to
>> get a recording of the original version.
>> 
>> Scott
>
>I'm digging thru my old programs.....GRRRR!!! It seems they didn't tell anyone
>who wrote it!  The staff certainly didn't tell us that year....I wish I knew
>'cause I'd like a copy also!  Since '89 all our staff has changed and I am no
>longer in touch with them. Drat. :[ 
>Sorry I can't help you...but if I find out I will certainly let you know!
>
>Brooke
>Colts
>Soprano '89
>Mellophone '90-'93

Yes that's why I posted the question... I couldn't find it mentioned
anywhere either!  What's more frustrating is that I'm sure I've heard
the piece before.  It's quite a coincidence that someone on the net
actually marched in that very corps that very year... and also doesn't
know the author of the piece!

Scott

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From: cape@damien.rtp.dg.com (Chuck Cape)
Subject: Video
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:32:27 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

I'm new to this so excuse me if this is a dumb question, but
will there be video tapes available of the entire top-12 final 
performances? If so, can somebody please tell how to go about
obtaining a copy? Thanks in advance!

Chuck Cape
Data General, RTP, NC

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From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Subject: Re: Starting A Drum Corps
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:31:35 GMT

>Note that '78-'79 was a time of turmoil...
>and from this came...
>
>   Rivermen, Stillwater: 1979-mid eighties?
>      Probably the most successful TC corps, I
>      think they made top-25 one year, but not sure.
>

I find it interesting that Stillwater has such a rich history in
drum corps (a city of only 12,000).  The people who I know from the
Twin Cities think Stillwater is a life time away.

I am familiar with the Rivermen.  I know someone whose daughter was
in the Rivermen then went on to Star.

>
>BTW, I work at Medtronic too!  How about a name for the
>corps... 
>          the Pacemakers! 
>
> (Medtronics makes implantable heart pacemakers, 
>  and thanks Tom Mathews for that joke )
>

;-)

Yeah... Yeah... The drill can consist of different patterns that
resemble arrhythmias.

Then you can speed everything up to resemble tachycardia.

Yeah... Yeah... then you can slow everything down to resemble Bradycardia.

Yeah... Then the pattern can be a heart pumping.  Wow fantastic.

(Sorry for that, I couldn't resist.)

>
>Cam  
>

-- Chris
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From: cdoser@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Drum corps and the Media
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:29:37 GMT

>dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) said:
>MORE TELEVISED DRUM CORPS.

I can see it now!
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From: C_S01798@APPSTATE.EDU (C_S1410102)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: THE alt.drumcorps WRITER's POLL!
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:58:12 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
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the ALT.DRUMCORPS writer's poll

1992 season:  final edition


Here are the final standi.

1. 	Cavaliers		119.5 	(50% first place votes)
2. 	Cadets of Bergen County 118.5   (38% first place votes)
3.	Star of Indiana		109.1	(12% first place votes)
4.	Blue Devils   &
	Madison Scouts           96.6
6.      Crossmen		 76.9
7.	Santa Clara Vanguard  &
	Phantom Regiment         73.8
9.	Blue Knights		 58.2
10.     Velvet Knights		 57.2
11.	Glassmen		 34.3
12. 	Bluecoats		 31.2
13.	Freelancers		 27.0
14.	Boston Crusaders	 10.4
15.  	Sky Ryders		  9.4



Spirit of Atlanta also recieved votes.


===============
Patrick Sloan
===============	
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From: halk@solbourne.com (Hal Koshak)
Subject: Re: My comments on Finals and PBS broadcast
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:22:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.165930.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>LONG LIVE THE BUILD UP SYSTEM!!
>
>IRC nick-BlueDevil

The top how many corps at finals scored in the 90's?  The build up system
needs some tweeking.  Since I'm somewhat of a fossil, I revert to older,
more sensible times when everthing was build-up except for the noting
of mistakes.  The field judges had to work a bit harder, but then, I
never was in the position of wanting to make things too easy for judges!
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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Surprise
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 19:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.161828.23435@cs.few.eur.nl> jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl (Jeroen Thur) writes:
>What a surprise to find a group about drumcorps in `nn'. I was a member of a
>Dutch drumcorps for a couple of years (soprano, baritone, contra) but the only
>place to find some info was in Dutch (drumcorps) magazines...
>My question is if only American people join this group or are there some others
>too??
>
>Jeroen (jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl)
>
>PS the only American drumcorps I saw were the Madison Scouts in 1988 in 
>   The Hague (Holland). Amazing, it wouldn't be possible here in Holland. We
>   don't have the spirit, the money and so on. 
>   Anyway, I'd like to hear from you...

Welcome to the group!

Presumably any site that carries the alt.* hierarchy can carry alt.drumcorps.
If you tell your friends in Europe about this newgroup, they can ask their
system administrator to carry it.

I would be interested in hearing what the drum corps situation is in
Europe.  Specifically, how many corps and how popular is drum corps?
How many shows are there each year?  Are the fans fanatical (relative,
say, to football (soccer))?  What kind of tradition is there for these
kinds of activities (e.g. military bands, brass bands, concert bands)?
What is DCUK, DCH, DCD doing to try to promote drum corps?  My list
of questions is potentially very long, so I will just say that any
info regarding drum corps in Europe would be interesting to me.

-- Donald
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From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: BAC = Boston Crusaders (but why?) 
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:44:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.095910.15395@husc3.harvard.edu> fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>In article <1992Sep5.035637.27779@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>>BTW, I know I'll shoot myself when I hear it, but who is "BAC"?
>>
>>>Dave Owens (BAC member 85,87,88; staff 91...)
>>>odavid@watson.ibm.com
>>
>I know BAC is the Boston Crusaders but I don't know what the history of BAC
>letters is.  Dave, do you know?  Is it some corps secret or can you tell us
>the meaning?
>
>Inquiring minds want to know.
>

Well, I for one know what BAC stands for.  It's "an inside" thing, once I
tell you, or any other corps member, you'll (they'll) laugh.  Anyway, it's
supossed to show Crusaders toughness, etc.  Anyway,

BAC=Bad Ass Crusaders.

Enough said.  Any BAC's out there would probably kill me (hehe) for spilling
this one...........

-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Cadets music in 93
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:28:45 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1992Sep8.164652.27451@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:
> Early information:
> 
> Cadets plan to play another David Holsinger (sp?) show next year.  
> Supposedly, David was very impressed at finals with the Cadets 
> interpretation of his music and he is going to work with them next 
> year on another one of his pieces.
> 
> I don't know his work...what else did he write and what could be 
> appropriate for a 93 Cadets drum corps show?
> 
> Tom
> ---

This sounds terrific!!  I might actually become a quasi-Cadets fan!

The only other tune I have heard from Holsinger is called "In the Spring When
Kings Go Off To War"  I've heard this once, on Kansas City's classical station. 
It was magnificent!  The Colts played it in '91, but the CD's only went to
21st, the Colts were 22nd.  Kinda like Southwind this year-the show I want the
most of a non-top 12 corps is 22nd.  :(

Anyway, Holsinger is a Kansas City resident (another reason to bring the
championships to KC  :) ) and that tune is great.

IRC nick-BlueDevil
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Entertainment and Effectiveness, Round 2 (was Re: POPCORN)
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:29:53 GMT

In <1992Sep3.001533.3114@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:

[deleting the almost 300 lines (most of it quotes.....:)  ]

>To alt.drumcorps readers: I think I have expressed my opinions on this
>topic to the point of boredom to the rest of the readers.  What do other
>people think?  Surely there are more points of view on this topic than
>just two (or maybe there are only two ...).

>-- Donald

Entertainment/Effectiveness....etc., *can* be discussed ad nausem. :)
I will admit, a company front makes me shiver, especially when done
exceptionally well.  And I will agree, humorous tidbits (i.e. VK style)
or special guard features often stand out to an audience.  I'd say,
the GE scores are among the most mis-understood or difficult point
to award.  (thankfully **I** don't have to decide them! :)
But I'd have to say it's the overall effect of a show in its entirety
that means the most to me for GE qualities, not that great time when...
etc.  Cavalier's '86 show was my favorite when I was touring, because
of the *combination* of elements in their show, precision, sound, 
interpretation & dynamics, guard, etc. which made it "effective" to me
personally.  But re-watching old videos from tour, I can see things
about other shows that I missed before.  Even then, I don't think
there'll ever be a final word about GE....so I'll just sit back with
my other aged-out friends, and lobby for better T.V. coverage!  :)


Eilidh  (a.k.a. Chris -- VK '86 pit....that great T.V. shot on the gong!)
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From: SFINE00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Fineman, Stephen Elliot)
Subject: Re: Crossmen lore
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:00:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.180104.3725@edsr.eds.com>
gwr@tantalum.eds.com (George Rapp) writes:
 
>
>Can someone explain the story about the caped figure with
>the mask who stands in the visitors'-side aisle during the
>Crossmen's performances?  (At least the Semis and Finals
>performances this year ...)  He left about halfway through
>the semifinal performance, but he stuck around for the
>whole finals performance.  It must have helped - the
>Crossmen moved up  a notch in the finals!
>
>Who gets to play him (her? 8^) every year?  Is it a staff
>member, or a corps alumnus (alumna), or the biggest
>contributor to the booster club that year, or ...?
>
>---
>George Rapp                              Electronic Data Systems Corporation
 
  That caped figure is known as Bones, and he represents the traditional
"bones" essence of the Crossmen.  The corps has never been rich or comfortable,
but somehow, after a breakdown or two, no down time, and excruciating heat, is
able to thrive on the circumstances and have a great show.  This is called
Bones -- the fact that after the body decays, the bones are still there.  When
there's nothing left to give, you still have your bones.  And, when Crossmen
members age out, their bones are still Crossmen.  The Crossmen are nicknamed
"Bones", and as far as I know, this is where that mysterious figure derives his
name.
 
But who is that masked man?  No one knows (at least not the corps members --
the staff may be keeping a good secret :) )  I've heard a story that back in
the 70's, a person loved the Crossmen but for some reason couldn't march.  So
he/she made an old Crossmen uniform, added the mask and became Bones.  This
year, the corps director read the members a letter wishing the corps good luck.
It was signed, "Bones".  Most likely, Bones hails from New England.  He/she
made his first appearance in Bridgeport, Conn., and was also at the non-regiona
l show in Pittsfield, Mass.  Other than that, Bones attended DCI East (with the
Crossmen's home crowd) and Nats.
 
  Does he hype the corps?  You bet.  As we face backfield before stepping off,
he opens his cape to read, "CROS   SMEN", and you can't help feeling excited.
But if this isn't enough, Bones went one step further for finals.  He met the
corps at the gate and led us into the stadium.  If I hadn't already been hyped
for finals, this would have done it.  He descended from the stands after scores
and shook every corps member's hand (and took some pictures).  And as we left
the stadium on retreat, he saluted the corps.  Some say they saw the twinkle of
a tear in his eyes.
                                             _____
                                             \   /
            Steve Fineman                  |\     /|
            Sop '92 ('93, '94)             |   C   |
                                           |/     \|
                                             /___\
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: My comments on Finals and PBS broadcast
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:39:30 GMT

David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Just a question from a drill novice - what is a "blind cover"?

A blind cover is a move where you are moving backwards and have to end
up in a straight line with the people behind you.  You can't see them
(hence the "blind") and they don't have time to cover down to you.

It may be easier if the line ends up on a yard line, but most are either
in between or at an angle.  These moves are becoming more common with the
current trend of the average difficulty of drill increasing.  (IMHO.)

We  had two of them (that affected me) in the 1985 Suncoast show.  Those
two moves were easily the most rehearsed of any in the show.

I would imagine the same situation existed for Garfield this year.  That
move was *incredibly* hard.

HTH,
Bob

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From: pm860605@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Peter Mckinney)
Subject: Re: A Comment About Zingali & "Two-Seven" in 1980
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:15:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College, Ft. Collins, CO 80523

In article <1992Sep14.025349.6434@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
|> In article <DRAPEAU.92Sep12234533@oglala.Stanford.EDU> drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu writes:
|> 
|> >>   As for the 1980 Vanguard percussion placement, I'm almost certain that
|> >>   they got seventh. What a crime. As you say, Stone Ground Seven was one
|> >>   of the all time great drum solo's, and was *unbelievably* clean. To think
|> 
|> >Yeah, clean is right.  You know what says clean for me?  There's a
|> >long roll where just the battery is playing; I know that snares and
|> >tenors are playing the roll, but I'm not sure about basses.  Anyway,
|> >the tenors roll among several drums (from low to high, I think), and
|> >it sounds like somebody is winding up the players.  It's so clean that
|> >*every* *single* *note* is felt like a single-stroke attack, so each
|> >note resonates.  Am I making sense?  I'm sure you know what part of
|> >the music I'm talking about, but I'm not sure I'm getting the feeling
|> >across okay.  And I never saw that show live, I've only heard the
|> >tape, but if it's that good on tape, it must have been unbelievable
|> >live.  Those players were *strong*.
|> 
|> I know exactly what you mean about the roll quality. The really amazing
|> thing is not only were the individual segments just about perfect, but
|> their sense of ensemble timing and unity was uncanny. They must have

Ditto - I know *exactly* the section you're talking about.  I've always
thought of it as a 'pitched' snare roll because of the perfect way that
the tenors (and some basses, I think) backed the snare line up.  That
roll section doesn't just coast, it *drives*.....

BTW - I don't mind the open discussion between you two have been having at
all.  Both of you have made some of the most intelligent and interesting
comments on the newsgroup.

					- Pete McKinney
					- pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu

- I've got to get around to figuring out the .sig file one of these days.....
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:06:02 EDT
From: <JPN@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Classic Corps Music

Last weekend I was listening to National Public Radio (NPR's jazz
program, I think it was).  They played a number called "Miserlou",
which is a Cavalier tune from way back.  I got out my old records
to hear it again and to remember how much I had enjoyed when the
Cavies did it on the field.

I was wondering if any of the net-DCF's knew anything about the Cavie's
use of the number or if other corps had ever used it or maybe something
about the history of the number?

Jon
ex-Madison (a long time ago)
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