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From: jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: taking too long
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:53:32 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.235255.95@ids.net> geoffbe@ids.net writes:
>>i want to see ghosts, read  minds, cast spells... something... some damned
>>thing... anything. 
>>we work so long and hard and fill our dull lives with so much of these goods,
>>we pay teachers, we seek guidance, we are introduced to spirits who we hope and
>>prey are there...
>>	then some of us see... 
>>	why don't I get to see!
>>why doesn't anything happen to me!
>>	go to the grounding ceremonies... I didn't feel it!
>>come on come on!
>>something has got to happen, past life regression, heal a child inside...
>>something... ANYTHING!
>>
>>No more cop outs, I'm not looking for new friends or cool parties.. I want the
>>goods. 
>>
>         I know this feeling.  Me too!
>

No expectation, no frustration.

I read in a biography that John Lennon once locked himself in
a bathroom for a lengthy period of time, screaming out "Jesus,
if you exist reveal yourself to me right now!" It didn't happen.

Everybody's different. Some people have natural psychic abilities
that make it easier for them to have such experiences. Others
don't and would have to practice and develop these abilities
over time (a lot of time for many people). But most of these
things offer temporary fascination, not fulfillment. The only
thing that really matters is attuning oneself with one's own
divine qualities inside. This is available to anyone who has
a sincere commitment to inner development and who practices
meditation regularly.  .... all IMHO

Jeff
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 07:40:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Creatures Great And Small: I believe you will find the Examiner 
I was talking about is the tabloid magazine called the National 
Examiner and not the San Francisco Examiner.
Merry Chistmas to all and to all a good night, and as Tiny Tim once
said God bless us everyone. 
John Winston.
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: taking too long
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:01:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec18.235255.95@ids.net>, geoffbe@ids.net writes:
:i want to see ghosts, read  minds, cast spells... something... some damned
:thing... anything. 
:we work so long and hard and fill our dull lives with so much of these goods,
:we pay teachers, we seek guidance, we are introduced to spirits who we hope and
:prey are there...
:	then some of us see... 
:	why don't I get to see!
:why doesn't anything happen to me!
:	go to the grounding ceremonies... I didn't feel it!
:come on come on!
:something has got to happen, past life regression, heal a child inside...
:something... ANYTHING!
:
:No more cop outs, I'm not looking for new friends or cool parties.. I want the
:goods. 

Why?
-- 
Happiness is just a                     ******************************
remembrance away.                       *  Lorenzo Farris            *
                                        *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
                                        ******************************
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From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,rec.music.newage
Subject: 'Newage' music
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:27:45 GMT
Reply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

A couple of christian friends of mine were discussing 'newage' music
( and its 'evils'). recently.  The groups 'Clannad' and 'Enya' were both 
mentioned specifically, and I've seen both mentioned in r.m.n recently.  
On asking them what they meant I found their answers confusing to say the least.

Could anyone here give me an idea as to what constitutes 'newage' music,
assuming that you recognise the existence of such.

thanks, 
tommy
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: To The Desert I Go.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 06:27:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

To All People Of Noble Persuasion.
I believe I wil now go to the particular Desert that you are aware of
and do what know I'm going to do.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: jethro@netcom.com (Jeffery Tye)
Subject: Mother Meera
Organization: Beyond Your Limits
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:15:38 GMT

I just finished reading Andrew Harvey's book, "Hidden Journey," and am
blown away by it. It's the most amazing account of a spiritual awakening
that I've ever read. I'm starting to read his teacher's book, "Mother
Meera: Answers."  She seems to be the most clear and loving teacher
on the earth at this time.

Have any of you visited her? I would like to hear about your experience
of this extraordinary teacher/Avatar.

Namaste,
Jeffery
-- 
=====================================================================
``You are the passage through which time flows. You are the emptiness
that holds all space. You are the center that is everywhere, turning
on itself in an endless dance of ecstasy.'' -- Judith Whitman-Small
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,rec.music.newage
From: lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
Subject: Re: 'Newage' music
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:10:59 GMT

In article <Bzs3EA.Lt9@dcs.ed.ac.uk> tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
>A couple of christian friends of mine were discussing 'newage' music
>( and its 'evils'). recently.  The groups 'Clannad' and 'Enya' were
>both mentioned specifically, and I've seen both mentioned in r.m.n.
>recently.  On asking them what they meant I found their answers
>confusing to say the least.
>
>Could anyone here give me an idea as to what constitutes 'newage'
>music, assuming that you recognise the existence of such.

'Newage' music dosen't have evils.  I cannot define newage music, but I
can say that the newage religion and newage music are not the same
thing.  People often think that just because music is labeled 'newage'
that the artists and the music itself promotes spiritual independance,
crystals, hypnotics, etc.  This is not true.

As I am sure others on the r.m.n. group may be able to explain better than
I (Dave, Elana?), but the label 'newage' for music was developed in the
mid 80's by money hungry marketers.  They had a type of music on their
hands that was gaining popularity and didn't seem to have an exact name
for it.  They called it 'newage' as just a promotional label.  Many
musicians who are found in the 'newage' bins of your favorite record
stores do not want to be classified as a 'newage' artist.  In fact, most
will cringe at being labeled one.  Jarre, Tangerine Dream, Yanni and
Vangelis come to mind.  There are few music groups out there
(Naranda???) who DO promote the newage religion with their music.  They
are an exception.  [Forgive me but I am not familiar with Naranda, if I
even spelled it right, but I understand they are a promoter of the
religion].

Please don't be fooled.  If you like music that is found under the 'new
age' bin, don't think you're supporting the religion.  I have found that
many more groups are being classified under the electronic section of
record stores-- maybe the artists are finally getting some say in their
own album distribution.  I, as well as others I know on this list, like
to refer to most of the music you'll find under 'newage' as 'E-Music'.
A more relaxed and non-judgmental term for the same music.  'E' can
stand for what you wish-- electronic, eclectic, emotional, etc...

[btw, I myself am impartial to the 'newage' religion.  I am not
defending 'newage' nor against it.  If any of your Christian friends
snicker at you because you listen to 'newage' music, then your friends
needs to be educated on the music.  Music does not make a person follow
any religion-- that only comes from inside you.]
-- 

Lon Lowen Jr.                        |  Wayne State University
Netcom Online Communications         |  Detroit, Michigan
lllowen@netcom.com                   |  (lllowen@mts.cc.wayne.edu)
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Mysterious Letter.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:13:49 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Standby Folks, I just got some information about the letter talking 
about the asteroids that will fall. It seems that the person sending
the letter operates a cattle growing company down in that country
and my friend owns some stock in the stock growing company. That's 
why he referred to my friend as being a shareholder. I'll keep you
posted on further developements. Stay tuned.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch)
Subject: Re: What Do I Do?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:16:31 GMT


In article <72265@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>Dear Folks: What do I do that is the question. I am part of a group
>who have volunteered to come to earth to enlighten everyone and help
>bring the earth into the next dimension of existence. Now how is that 
>for a serious answer?
>John Winston

	Actually a spokesperson for P&G has confirmed that "John_Winston" works
	in the new products development lab testing a new product "Oral Depends"
	The OD group was a new marketing initiative developed after a marketing
	survey of media-watchers/users displayed a high interest in the Demo-
	cratic and Repulican conventions. :-)


*
*	Opinions do not represent my employer
*
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High)
Subject: Re: taking too long
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.235255.95@ids.net> geoffbe@ids.net writes:
>i want to see ghosts, read  minds, cast spells... something... some damned
>thing... anything. 
>we work so long and hard and fill our dull lives with so much of these goods,
>we pay teachers, we seek guidance, we are introduced to spirits who we hope and
>prey are there...
>	then some of us see... 
>	why don't I get to see!
>why doesn't anything happen to me!
>	go to the grounding ceremonies... I didn't feel it!
>come on come on!
>something has got to happen, past life regression, heal a child inside...
>something... ANYTHING!
>
>No more cop outs, I'm not looking for new friends or cool parties.. I want the
>goods. 
>
         I know this feeling.  Me too!


-- 

******************************************************************************
ehigh                                  You never miss your water 'till your
High on life!                          well runs dry....  Give thankx.
From: gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu (Srihari Gopal)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Historical Evidence of Krishna?
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:45:30 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

Yes Kalki:

I am interested in learning more about the historical life of Sri Krishna.
I myself have already read the Bhagavad Gita but I have still no clear
understanding of the historical context of Krishna's life here on earth.

I specifically am interested in learning more of the historical baskground
of his birth, life and death. If you could point me to some sources I would
be grateful.

Srihari Gopal
gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu
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From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: KIBO & Tetragrammaton
Date: 20 Dec 92 11:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 

To: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com

   |   Oh, and has anyone noted the similarity between "Kibo" and "Antichrist"
   |when rot13ed from the original yiddish translation of sanscrit ? Makes you
   |wonder, doesn't it ?
   `-----------------------------------------------------------------

   Yes, but does it reduce to 7-7-7?

---
 . SLMR 2.1a . Klaatu Barada Nikto!
From: kalki33.uucp!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Historical Evidence of Krishna?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 02:42:07 EST
Reply-To: kalki33.uucp!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu (Srihari Gopal) writes:

> Yes Kalki:
> 
> I am interested in learning more about the historical life of Sri Krishna.
> I myself have already read the Bhagavad Gita but I have still no clear
> understanding of the historical context of Krishna's life here on earth.
> 
> I specifically am interested in learning more of the historical baskground
> of his birth, life and death. If you could point me to some sources I would
> be grateful.

There is one edition of Bhagavad-Gita in English which is authoritative.
It is Bhagavad-Gita As It Is by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. You
will find the historical context of Krishna presented in this book with
clarity. The reason for this is that Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee
of Krishna, and, as such, is authorized to speak about Krishna. Others,
who present their own philosophical speculations through Bhagavad-Gita,
have no knowledge of Krishna, and their commentaries on the Gita are
worthless.

Sincerely,
Kalki Dasa




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      |  Don't forget to chant:   Hare Krishna Hare Krishna   |
      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |
      |                                                       |
      |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
      |        (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us)            |
       -------------------------------------------------------
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From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: taking too long
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:43:24 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 2162@panix.com, moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
> Marc Wachowitz quotes a book:
> 
> Is Benoit (or Barnett) enlightened?  However you answer you (and they)
> fall into the pit!  Are you a teacher?  No, by your own words.  So why do
> you post so many words?  I smell the "stink" of Zen.

Aaah, but who is it that smells?

> Len Moskowitz
> moskowit@panix.com



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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 13:56:20 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Greetings to One and All: I made it back from my trip and have not 
missing part so I guess I'm OK. 
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:00:10 GMT

In article <72030@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folks: Kibo is truely a master of what he does and I haven't 
>figured out what that is yet.

I'm a master of being unable to figure out.
						-- K.

(Merry X_-_Mas, John!)

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: VCR Alert- Watch CNN (was: Psychics Strike Out Again.)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:33:05 GMT

In article <72690@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folks: I was watching TV last night and lo and behold what did 
>appear to my unbelieving eyes, was the face of your own Robert
>Sheaffer. Mr. Sheaffer was pointing out the fact that many of the 
>tabloid magazine psychic predictions do not come to pass as predicted.
>Well done Robert.

Thank you, John. That was KGO-TV, Channel 7 in San Francisco.

This morning (12-31) I taped a segment for CNN, doing more or less
the same thing. This should be getting aired on CNN, CNN Headline News,
and CNN International, starting this evening Pacific time. It will
probably be broadcast a number of times over the New Year's holiday.

Also, anyone who get the New York Times might look in the paper
for (probably) Friday. They're preparing something on "psychic
predictions."

-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!


     "Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that
      they are not even superficial."

                   - Friedrich Nietzsche    (The Gay Science: 126)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,rec.music.newage
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:20:13 EST

In article <1992Dec17.184359.2899@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>                             THE DIVINE MASTERS       
>      
>               Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that 
>          Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of 
>          God into the physical world, God Incarnate. 
>          
>               But there are some very important related facts that 
>          Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of 
>          most other world religions. 

Come back, John Winston.  All is forgiven.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: preparing for the changes
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:04:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.191957.2536@merrimack.edu> nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf) writes:
}The rotational axis shifts so slightly that our instruments have difficulty 
}measuring it.  A series of earth quakes is triggered all over the world, even
}in places the don't normally get them, lasting several days.

Let me get this right - something happens that has difficulty influencing a
balanced needle (in our instruments) but has devastating effects on
bedrock?  That does not sound....consistent.


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:22:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear People: I agree with you that FAR OUT is just about the worst
magazine ever printed, and I do occasionally answer E-mail sent to 
me when I feel the person is sincere.
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 06:35:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: I'll Fly Away. 
  If you should go to merry ole England and think you see a UFO it might not 
be a space craft from another planet or dimension but might be an IFB 
(Identified Flying Baby).
  Yes sir they now have a regular, garden variety, A1, E1, Cherub. That of 
course all of you know is a fat little baby with wing who can fly.  This is 
the first one to be born for about 2,000 years but they expect many more to 
be  born soon. 
  The little person's name is Flying Bobby Martin, and he lives around Surrey, 
England and is the son of Thomas and Brenda Martin.
John Winston.
Source of material: December 29, 1992-SUN-3.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
Subject: Re: Bashar.
Organization: Florida State University
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:04:24 EST

In article <1h7tvhINNj0d@cascade.ens.tek.com>, 
   davidh@cascade.ens.tek.com (David Hatcher) writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.181953.1238@u.washington.edu> 
     pul@hardy.u.washington.edu (Arbaline) writes:
>>                                                            Picked up
>>some of Bashar's tapes too. Wonderful material. Great tools for
>>creating your own reality, releasing fear, and attuning with our
>>extraterrestrial siblings! 
> 
> 
>    I don't get it.
> 
>    Why, when we are already so caught up in the trap of creating our
> own reality do we need even more tools to create even more of our
> own reality?
> 
>    My desires are not to create my own reality, but to attune more and
> more to the realities that life itself has to offer. I desire the intimacy 
> of that union. I've found out that the very thing that has kept me from
> that attunement is the focus "I" have put in creating my own reality.
> So why create even more? I don't get it. It just takes me away from the 
> very thing what I desire most.
> 
>   ...

On our trip back to the Godhead ( although some incarnated here on earth
may still be on the journey away from Godhead, most of us have reached our
own outer limit and are on the return trip ) we must remember our 
destination but we have the choise to choose the route and to enjoy the
trip.  As in driving a car, don't become so focussed on where you are going
that you don't enjoy driving the car or don't notice the sun shining through 
the leaves or miss the spark of eye-contact when you let someone cross in
front of you.  I remember once on my way to my riding lesson, the highlight
of my week at that time, that I was so enjoying going over the jumps in my 
mind that I missed the turn to the stables and was half-way home before I 
realized it.  So it's important to remember where you're going too.

As long as we are incarnated in the physical level, or any of the levels 
short of the Godhead, we each will be an "I" but that does not mean that
we can't work in symphony with the other's, all co-workers with the Godhead.
We each choose how we will be channels, either consciously or unconsciously.
Each of our choises have consequences and add to our reality and thus we 
create our own reality.

-- 

Have fun!

   =-Kathy->                                   waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
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