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From: u9148124@cs.uow.edu.au (Adam Erik Ragland)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: Broncos
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:14:08 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

dlyon@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Darren Lyon) writes:

>After whatching the Brisbane vs Newcastle match can anyone come up
>with a valid reason why the broncos can't win a flag, as many people
>seem to beleive. After the first 25 mins whilst Newcastle gave them
>curry, it would have to of been one of their best efforts of the year.
>To allow a side only 2 tries then fight back in a manner in which the
>Broncos did takes class.

O.K I can give you one reason why i think the broncos wont win the Winfield
Cup. Because no matter who they play at least 3/4 of the crowd will be giving
em shit and praying they lose. Its alot easier to come from behind at your
home ground with all your supporters behind you. I must admit though the did
play pretty well in that game but i also must say newcastle played shit for
the last 2/3 of the game.
I saw the Saints-Wests game yesterday and except for a few lapses in defence
Saints played like a well-oiled machine, a bit of luck and the score would
have been 27-12. Add that to the fact Wests 2nd try was in the last minute
and you should get Saints as the favourites to upset what many people like
you think will be a Bronco walk-over.
Depending on how the games go today the top 4 teams could have a great
advantage with a possible 3 way??(i think penrith lost last night) playoff
for 5th.


Adam Ragland
u9148124@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au

>	"What a try", Channel nine commentator after watching
>         the Broncos score a try.	
>~

	"Buck off Broncos", quite a funny sign i saw on Friday.
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From: c9037395@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Helen Lee)
Subject: Re: Mr Newcastle Supporter
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:34:27 GMT

dlyon@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Darren Lyon) writes:

>To the supporter at wombat.newcastle.edu. 

[abuse(various) deleted]

>For mine, the Broncos will win the flag, as for Newcastle they will
>lose against Canberra and the playoffs to get into the 5. Oh well,

Newcastle made the finals in all 3 divisions.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Tho, I think we should get some spunks like ET or Chris Johns.. ;)

Cheers,
Helen
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From: c9117709@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (THE SKY IS FALLING......NO I'M TIPPING OVER BACKWARDS)
Subject: Re: WCE EAGLES - INVINCIBLE 1992
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:49:44 GMT

> blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:
> 
>>WELL, I AM VERY SORRY TO SAY THAT THE EAGLES ARE GOING TO "WALK ALL
>>OVER" HAWTHORN THIS WEEKEND AT SUBIACO OVAL... SAD BUT TRUE
> 
>>(TOO BAD ALL YOU VICTORIAN SUPPORTERS, HAWTHORN CANT EVEN WALK)
> 
>>THE EAGLES ARE GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE GRAND FINAL AGAINST
>>GEELONG AND KICK THEM....
> 
>>(SORRY GEELONG, BUT IT HAD TO HAPPEN)
> 
>>COMMISERATIONS TO ALL YOU VICTORIANS .....
> 
>>COMMENTS.... WELCOME?
> 
>>BRYAN!
> 
>>blip@tartarus.uwa.ed.au

** come on now Bryan you know that the wimples suffer from stage fright.  Look
at last years grand final for instance.  What a disgrace.  I remember sitting
in my lounge room in Karrinyup watching what I would have called the worst
performance I have ever seen in a grand final.  It was reminiscent of the
Wilcats v Nth Melbourne a few years back.
	The one thing the wimples do have in their favour is Subi Oval.  That
place can really pump when it gets going.  Good luck anyway.(just don't bet on
them is my tip) **

	Pete.
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From: molly@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Mark Ollila)
Subject: Re: Tips (Was Re: How we can improve NSWRL Reffing)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:11:46 GMT

dlyon@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Darren Lyon) writes:

>ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:

>>dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:

>>>c9117709@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (THE SKY IS FALLING......NO I'M TIPPING OVER BACKWARDS) writes:


MY TIPS    ....

Round 1

St George v Illawarra  - Illawarra 

Newcastle v Wests      - Wests


Round 2

Brisbane  v Illawarra  -  Brisbane 

St George vs Wests     -  Wests


Round 3	

Illawarra vs  Wests  - Illawarra

FINAL

Illawarra vs Brisbane - Brisbane


>>>	St George (although I'd like to see Illawarra v Brisbane final)

I think you will


>>>Best final five I've seen in many years, very interesting and diverse.

Totally diagree!! I think the best final five series I have ever seen
was last years. Especially with the superb defence and attack from the
teams, only have to remember games like Canberra vs Manly, Norths vs Penrith,
Canberra vs Norths. They were awesome matches, matches where the game
definitely wasnt over until the final whistle.


>>Sorry dudes, you are all overestimating St.George, the only team they might
>>be able to beat in the five is Wests.

I agree with that !!

>>Here's my tips
>> Round 1:        St.George v Illawarra  --> Illawarra by 10.

Maybe not that convincing...

>>		 Newcastle v Wests      --> Newcastle by 4.

Nah, Wests will do it by 10.

>> Round 2:        Brisbane v Illawarra   --> Brisbane by 6.
Brisbane will be convincing... (they will be fresh and hungry for points )

>>		 St.George v Newcastle  --> Newcastle by 6 (barring
>>		                                            Newcastle injuries)

>> Round 4:        Brisbane v Illawarra   --> Cakewalk to Brisbane.


Definitley....

>Due realise what arguements can arise by quoting 'Brisbane' and any word
>refering to an easy victory. I hope your predictions are right. I know one
>thing, I wouldn't mind going up to the leagues club to celebrate. I know
>"Mr Newcastle" wont like this but I have a gut feeling that Brisbane are
>going to do something in the finals. In the lead up to the finals they
>have not been playing to their potential. This makes me think that they
>might want the other teams to think that the pressure will get to them.

>		********************************************
>		*  Darren Lyon : dlyon@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au *
>		********************************************
>		* Stuff putting a quote here, I couldn't   *
>		* bothered.    				   *
>		********************************************

Yeah, wish I was back in Brissy!!!!

Mark.

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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: watts RMS? what watts conversion?
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:39:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.064203.21422@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) writes:
>The dB of P1 rel P2 is 10*log(P1/P2),
>the log being base 10.


REJOICE ,the equation.......
Some-one who is in the 90's and knows a bank manager !! 
Give him the cane dining suite.   .


>
>0dB is a pressure amplitude of 20.4uPa (ie micro Pascals)
>To get a handle on higher levels, know that the noise limit for a racing
>motorcycle (NOt a registerable one) is 110dB at 1m from the exhaust outlet,
>and 45 deg to the side. It s very unpleasant. 120 is painful. 160 would
>probably kill you.
>Graham B

160dB= death....... maybe                      
BUT the formula is as good as any electronic/audio engineer can go by.
From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: watts RMS? what watts conversion?
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:42:03 GMT
 <1992Aug24.233724.18255@mel.dit.csiro.au> <1992Aug25.015034.15612@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> <BtKs91.HE4@research.canon.oz.au>
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <BtKs91.HE4@research.canon.oz.au> mpulver@research.canon.oz.au writes:

> 
> Strickly speaking decibels are logarithm of a power ratio, I 
> can't remember the actual formula, but roughly a 3db change is a 0.5x power or
> 2x power change (depending on the sign). Being
The dB of P1 rel P2 is 10*log(P1/P2),
the log being base 10.

> a ratio the value of this number is meanless unless you know is being
> compared.  Such a frequency response of speaker are measure usually
> from where the energy level at is the end frequencies is 3db below
> the energy output at 1k Hz.  Noise to signal value the ratio of
> the energy of the noise in a signal to the signal.  ...
> 
> But often dbs are used as absolute noise measurement where 0db is basically
> no noise, and 120db (or 160) will cause damage to your hearing.

0dB is a pressure amplitude of 20.4uPa (ie micro Pascals)
To get a handle on higher levels, know that the noise limit for a racing
motorcycle (NOt a registerable one) is 110dB at 1m from the exhaust outlet,
and 45 deg to the side. It s very unpleasant. 120 is painful. 160 would
probably kill you.
Graham B
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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Subject: Re: Reasons why Scott should have BT-2's (was Re: watts RMS?...)
Organization: University of Western Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:30:56 GMT

callum@bain3.bain.oz.au (Callum Gibson) writes:

>Scott Fisher (scott@psy.uwa.oz.au) wrote:
>> PS..any one have any good ideas on how to convince my wife to allow a set
>> of Interdyn BT-2's in the house, I have the BT-1's.  She thinks BT-2s are
>> "too large" (tall) :-)

>Tell her they make good pot plant stands.

Sorry Callum...the BT-1's make better stands as they are more "square" at the
top rather than the rectangular shape of thew BT-2's...next? ;-)

Scott.
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Department of Psychology                                    /      \    W + E
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Nedlands, 6009.  PERTH, W.A.                                      v       

Joy is a Jaguar XJ-6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning.
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From: bill@rsphys.anu.edu.au (Bill Alford)
Subject: Ensemble speakers
Reply-To: bill@rsphys.anu.edu.au
Organization: SCU, RSPhyScE, Australian National University, Canberra
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 05:25:34 GMT

Does anybody have opinions on the Ensemble PA-1 speakers?

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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Subject: Re: watts RMS? what watts conversion?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:32:00 GMT

edh163c@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (J.R. Wells) writes:

[stuff deleted...]

>Finally, the more the better may not be true. It's much more difficult to make
>a high-powered amplifier (> 100-150watts) which sounds as good as a smaller
>one (< 100 watts). Thankfully there's a trend to make speakers more efficient
>again;the world maybe recovering from Mr. Bose where you needed a power station
>to make the things make any reasonable amount of noise.
>Byebye,
>  jon.

I don't think anyone was trying to say more watts = better. 

Although more "good" watts IS definitely better I recently upgraded from a 
Rotel RA820-AX (30W RMS, 8 Ohms, 0.05% THD, 100dB S/N) amp to a Rotel RB 
980-BX power amp (120W RMS, 8 Ohms, 0.03% THD, 120dB S/N) and I love it...
Unfortunately it uses 400W just sitting there turned on with no signal the
820-AX used to consume about 25W :-).

Regards Scott.
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Department of Psychology                                    /      \    W + E
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Nedlands, 6009.  PERTH, W.A.                                      v       

Joy is a Jaguar XJ-6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning.
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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: watts RMS? what watts conversion?
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:59:01 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Western Australia

MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) writes:

>In <1992Aug27.084956.27365@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au writes:
>> >I really can't believe this. My power amp dissipates 90W at idle, and the
>> >WHOLE front panel is a heatsink, 150X400X75 mm, weighing 2kg. In summer it
>> >still makes 55-60 deg C. 400W is the idle dissipation of a 100W/ch class A
>> >amp. Have a look at the size (and cost) of a Krell or Levinson...
>> 
>> >I think you may have your figures wrong (even 40W seems high for a Rotel,
>> >but believable)
>> 
>Yep, thats the max power it will ever pull from the wall. Just like the 
>power consumption rating on your toaster or whatever. It's so you don't
>stick 7 of em into a power board [8\> aint legislation wunderfool] and
>blow a fuse....
>Cheers,
>Graham

I stand corrected :-)

I checked with the tech at Vince Ross Audio World here in WA and the 980BX
power amp uses around 40-80W at idle.  It will use 400W when creating 120W
RMS or power at the speaker end.  

BTW: I think the toaster is a bad example as it will always draw it's maximum 
power...or do they use more on start up?

>>Joy is a Jaguar XJ-6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an 
>>unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet 
>>winters morning.

>Is there such a thing as an unbroken Jaguar?

Well, no more than it is possible to have a Hi-Fi system you are "truely" 
satisfied with; there is always something that needs attention and if there 
isn't anything drastic (at the moment) then you still have this nagging 
feeling that something somewhere may be wrong :-)

PS..any one have any good ideas on how to convince my wife to allow a set
of Interdyn BT-2's in the house, I have the BT-1's.  She thinks BT-2s are
"too large" (tall) :-)
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Department of Psychology                                    /      \    W + E
University of Western Australia.                 Perth -->  *_.--._/      S
Nedlands, 6009.  PERTH, W.A.                                      v       

Joy is a Jaguar XJ-6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning.
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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Subject: Re: watts RMS? what watts conversion?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:49:56 GMT

MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) writes:

>> In article <1992Aug26.053200.17912@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:
>> >edh163c@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (J.R. Wells) writes:
>> >Although more "good" watts IS definitely better I recently upgraded from a 
>> >Rotel RA820-AX (30W RMS, 8 Ohms, 0.05% THD, 100dB S/N) amp to a Rotel RB 
>> >980-BX power amp (120W RMS, 8 Ohms, 0.03% THD, 120dB S/N) and I love it...
>> >Unfortunately it uses 400W just sitting there turned on with no signal the
>> >820-AX used to consume about 25W :-).
>> 
>> 400W just sitting there! What does it DO with the power. Does it run hot?
>I really can't believe this. My power amp dissipates 90W at idle, and the
>WHOLE front panel is a heatsink, 150X400X75 mm, weighing 2kg. In summer it
>still makes 55-60 deg C. 400W is the idle dissipation of a 100W/ch class A
>amp. Have a look at the size (and cost) of a Krell or Levinson...

>I think you may have your figures wrong (even 40W seems high for a Rotel,
>but believable)

The 980BX power amp has the following specifications...

120W RMS per channel both channels driven into 8 Ohms from 20Hz-20kHz with
no more than 0.03% THD.

Bridged power (20Hz-20kHz, 8 Ohms) mono = 360W @ 0.05% THD

THD (20-20kHz)...

Continuous rated power output:      < 0.03%
Continuous 1/2 rated output:        < 0.01%
1 Watt per channel output @ 8 Ohms: < 0.02%

Frequency response 4Hz-100kHz +0.5dB/-3.0dB

Signal-to-noise Ratio (IHF A Network) 120dB

Power Consumption: 400W

Weight (net): 10.2 kg

Thems, the specs.  Not that I am a specifications sort of person.  However
iRotel are not ones to exaggerate in their specifications.  The company
is fairly conservative and makes fine, high quality stuff.

I have the RB980BX power amp teamed up with the RC960BX pre-amp and 
so far recon it's great.

The thing does belt out lots of heat while idling, so much that the manual
specifys that you sit the thing out in the open rather than in a shelf.

Regards Scott.
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Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au]  PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272).                
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Department of Psychology                                    /      \    W + E
University of Western Australia.                 Perth -->  *_.--._/      S
Nedlands, 6009.  PERTH, W.A.                                      v       

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From: sim@cs.monash.edu.au (Sim Lim Or)
Subject: Melbourne Audio Club?
Summary: Info needed on Melbourne Audio Club
Keywords: Info needed on Melbourne Audio Club.
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:32:50 GMT


Hi,
	On this week's green guide(Age), there was this mention of 
a 'Melbourne Audio Club'. Anybody knows anything else abt this club?
I would like to attend one of their meetings if that is possible.

Seems like they, sometimes have listening test of speakers ... - interesting.

Thanks.
sim

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Dept. of Computer Science
Monash University, Clayton
Vic. 3168 Australia
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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green)
Subject: Re: watts RMS? what watts conversion?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:37:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.053200.17912@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:
>edh163c@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (J.R. Wells) writes:
>
>[lots of stuff deleted...]
>
>
>Although more "good" watts IS definitely better I recently upgraded from a 
>Rotel RA820-AX (30W RMS, 8 Ohms, 0.05% THD, 100dB S/N) amp to a Rotel RB 
>980-BX power amp (120W RMS, 8 Ohms, 0.03% THD, 120dB S/N) and I love it...
>Unfortunately it uses 400W just sitting there turned on with no signal the
>820-AX used to consume about 25W :-).

400W just sitting there! What does it DO with the power. Does it run hot?

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From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: watts RMS? what watts conversion?
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:34:25 GMT
 <1992Aug26.013458.23869@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au> <1992Aug26.053200.17912@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> <1992Aug27.003734.5821@mel.dit.csiro.au>
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <1992Aug27.003734.5821@mel.dit.csiro.au> gre253@mis.csiro.au writes:

> In article <1992Aug26.053200.17912@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:
> >edh163c@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (J.R. Wells) writes:
> >Although more "good" watts IS definitely better I recently upgraded from a 
> >Rotel RA820-AX (30W RMS, 8 Ohms, 0.05% THD, 100dB S/N) amp to a Rotel RB 
> >980-BX power amp (120W RMS, 8 Ohms, 0.03% THD, 120dB S/N) and I love it...
> >Unfortunately it uses 400W just sitting there turned on with no signal the
> >820-AX used to consume about 25W :-).
> 
> 400W just sitting there! What does it DO with the power. Does it run hot?
I really can't believe this. My power amp dissipates 90W at idle, and the
WHOLE front panel is a heatsink, 150X400X75 mm, weighing 2kg. In summer it
still makes 55-60 deg C. 400W is the idle dissipation of a 100W/ch class A
amp. Have a look at the size (and cost) of a Krell or Levinson...

I think you may have your figures wrong (even 40W seems high for a Rotel,
but believable)
Graham B
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