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From: byang@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Bo Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Movies during Cultural Revolution
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:41:28 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
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In article <92290.171315JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Autumn is the moment when people like to think of the past.  What I miss the
>most are the movies that I used to see every Saturday in our big military yard.
>The following is a list:

...
>
>Duo Nao He Zhi Po (Romanian movie)
>(Waves of the Multi-head River)    20
>

Multi-head River ???!!!!! You sure are imaginative.

How about Multi-brain River or Splitted-Personality River?

Poor Europeans.

>J.Luo  Penn.State

-- Bo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:50:06 GMT

In article <1bf0k2INN4s2@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
>In article <9228521.24121@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>>I personally think Traditional Characters are better, not
>>just because I've been using it all my life; but the Simplified
>>version loses a lot of the meanings of the words.  
> 
>I think you've been influenced too much by Confucius, who
>spent all his life advocating keeping the old tradition of San1
>Huang2 Wu3 Di4. Languages are constantly changing because human

	* But you've mistaken "words"(vocabulary) for "written
	  characters" in this context.   

	  Our vocabulary is a living one which has been constantly 
	  growing in volume as new words are being created and added  
	  to our speaking and writing on an hourly basis. Our set of 
	  written chars, however, aren't undergoing this sort of
	  drastic changes. Examples are too obvious and I don't  
	  bother putting on any. 

>societies are changing. If you believe traditional characters
>are better, then you should use characters before Qin2 Dynasty,
>that is zhuan4 ti3 zi4. Also you may also blame scholars during
>Qin for simplifying and standardizing characters.

	* Why blame the good people? (I'm NOT flaming)

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From: ebx@scs.carleton.ca (edmond bo xiao)
Subject: Re: 9 Cai
Reply-To: ebx@scs.carleton.ca
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:11:28 GMT

In article 6974@linus.mitre.org, 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
> -| |-
> -| |-
> -| |-
>-------
>9 Cai4 (see above Chinese character) is very common vegetable.  I have two
>ways to cook it (see list below).  Could anyone add this list for me.
>Thanx.
>
>1) stir fry with Dou4Fu3Gan.
>2) stir fry with
>squid.

How about fry with eggs?
Or dumplings for all the great moments?

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From: kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ?????????? PROTECTION BILL: READ MY LIPS! ??????????
Keywords: ******** KEEP ONE'S PROMISE ***********
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:28:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.7681
Distribution: soc
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Dept. of Crystallography

In article <1992Oct14.192004.8871@fcom.cc.utah.edu> jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
>
>	
>	While pushing for the protection bill, from the beginning to the end,
>what has been said is that the protection bill is GOOD for CHINESE HUMAN RIGHTS.
>Now the bill has become law and the human rights in China still remain the
>same.  When you apply and/or receive the greencard, please ask yourself the
>three questions and SPEAK FROM THE BOTTOM OF YOUR HEART:
>
>	Q1:	What are you going to do for Chinese human rights?
>
>	Q2:	What are you going to do for those who died on "6.4"?
>
>	Q3:	How much do you own Chinese PEOPLE? Are you going to pay
>		back (such as college tuition)?
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>DISCLAIMER: I MYSELF IS A BENEFICIARY OF THE BILL.
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>
>JLI

	I think it's still too early to ask these questions since the
uncertainties ahead and the law never means the beneficiaries can  get
thier green cards NOW. Here:

        1)If the human rights conditions improves enough in China by next
June, the covered by the law should safely go back to China.

	2)If the human rights conditions does not improve or goes even
worse by next June, the covered would get thier green cards.


	Now SPEAK FROM THE BOTTOM OF YOUR HEART:

	Which do you want: Hope 1) will be true
			   Hope 2) will be true
			?
--------------------------------------------------
DISCLAIMER: I MYSELF IS A BENEFICIARY OF THE BILL.
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-- 
  K. Zeng University of Pittsburgh (412)624-3219 bitnet: kzest@pittvms
  internet: kzest@unix.cis.pitt.edu  or  kzest@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: A statement on who paid for my effort
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:44:04 GMT

In article <2ADCDF64.25191@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)  
writes:
> So far, all the 9201 effort is completely paid by myself.  I did not ask
> for any donation from our 9201 colleagues or the Chinese government or
> the Chinese people.  Since I love the Chinese people so much, I just 
> use whatever energy/resource I have to keep the effort going.
> 
> shannon
> -------

I believe that you are telling the truth that Chinese government does not pay  
you for your campaign. In fact, it is easy to understand why they did not  
choose you. I think CG is not as stupid as to hire a person like you to mess up  
everthing. In fact, CG does not care a lot about the bill. If CG want to hire  
somebody, it will probably hire those who at least show some human decency to  
fool other people. 

So, don't worry. CG didn't hire you and will not hire you unless you become a  
little bit more intelligent, which, I think, is not so easy, because you are  
already more and 30 years old. You should blame you dad and mom.

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27489 soc.culture.taiwan:14246 soc.culture.hongkong:12274
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:39:50 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics

In article <1992Oct12.005833.2631@mprgate.mpr.ca> vli@mpr.ca (Vincent Li) writes:
>>> 
>>>Can someone tell me who is responsible for all these changes?
>Could be Mao who began the changes. May be he didn't know how to write the
>character, and when he wrote it down wrote, no one dare to criticize. Instead,
>they made the rest of the nation accept his way as the "right" way! Could

	Oh come on!  Mao did a lot of horrible things, but he was better in
traditional Chinese writing and literature than most people talking here.
He had always written characters in traditional style himself although he 
advocated to simplify them.

>be practical reasons too, as China has many illiterate farmers. The people
>responsible for teaching them may not know the proper form themselves and
>whatever was shown got stuck. That's how it stikes me with many of the
>simplified characters, as being a wrong form that got stuck. Of course, it's
>not all like that. Take "tear" for example, the simplified form actually
>makes more sense than the traditional form at first glance.

	What you have described is a natural process of simplification.  It
has also been occuring in Taiwan, privately.  Up to some point, these
natural simplifications got filtered and accepted and became official.
That is all there is.

	Or you may prefer to write the way Li Si invented them two thousands
of years ago.


    Eddie
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27672 soc.culture.taiwan:14316 soc.culture.hongkong:12408
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:07:56 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <Hp6-S0=@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:

> 	But I think the old Chiang is still to be blamed for the bad
> name KMT has today.  KMT was a good party with good intension and 
> has a strong intellectual following.  That is before Dr. Sun Yat Sen
> passed away.  After that.  Well... it's history. 


	** Is it fair to criticize emperors of Ching Dynasty being
	   not democracy? It think it is not fair to judge Old Chiang
	   by modern political standard either. 

	   I would say, if it was not Old Chiang, Taiwan would not exist
	   as she is today. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mli@engr.latech.edu (Minyan Li)
Subject: looking for friend in Westminster, U.K...
Reply-To: mli@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:26:21 GMT


I am looking for Mr. Zheng Zheng who graduated from Zejiang U. and now pursuing PhD in Westminster, U.K. He major in semiconductor material. He left his hometowm Xiamen in 1989. If someone have his message, please contact me by e-mail. Thanks.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:30:37 EDT
From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: The future leader of China

Who would be the leader of China in the near future? Qiao Shi, the boss of
chinese KGB, according to CNN news this morning.
Jiang Ziming is week, incapable; Li Peng has a lot to do with the blood in
Spring of 89; New comers like Zhu Rongji has no strong support in the army,
in the police forces once Deng is gone. On the other hand, Qiao has been very
active in supporting Deng's reform. He has all secrets of anyone in (or not in)
power.
I remember when Zhao Zhiyang was dragged down from top position, Deng's comment
on the rumer that Qiao Shi might be the sucesser was ``You are kidding!''.


Peter
From: yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cooking Manto
Date: 9 Oct 1992 14:36:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tssmed.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct9.192430.25040@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>I like Man2Tou2 (steamed bread) very much. I tried several times to make my
>own ManTou, but, unfortunately, I failed.  Here is how I make it:
>My problem is that:
>
>The moment I open the cooker lid, these mantou(s) look just great.  They
>are white and soft, very beautiful.  However, when I put them on the table
>for 15 min, they become dark and hard (shink to smaller size too). 
>Somebody told me it is overcooked.  I tried to change the steaming time,
Most of us attended colleges/universities in China where manto is served
everyday. I enjoy eating manto a lot so when I came to the U.S. I
explored the feasibility of making home-made manto (steamed bread).
Here are some my suggestions:
1. Please buy non-bleached all purpose flour (e.g. Gold Metal brand).
2. Buy several packages of yeast (available in supermarkets).
3. Desolve the yeast in warm water (about 100 degrees F).
4. Wait until bubbles come up.
5. Add flour to the desolved yeast and make the dough. Add
   more water if necessary.
6. If you want firm manto, make the dough firm.
7. One pound of flour usually needs 4 packages of yeast.
Please try the above to see if it works. Good luck.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yli@engr.latech.edu (Yueming Li)
Subject: Re: a different subject for rankings
Reply-To: yli@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:56:34 GMT

If there is anybody who came from Jinhua city, Zhejiang province, please let me know. 
thanks.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:02:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.171502.4456@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>
>>About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
>>Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
>>budget place. Something got to be wrong.
>
>	Yes, it is probably the report that you chosed to see. I believe
>	Taiwan and S.Korea were right behind China with the average score
>	of 73. The report, IMO, is debatable; I cannot imagine that high
>	a score for Taiwan if the students were chosen randomly. Of course,
>	if the math questions are not as tough as what students usually
>	face in Taiwan, then the score may be reasonable.
>
>	I really admire the math ability of average students in China for
>	getting 80 points.
>
>>Dr. Wu Da You, the president of China Science Academy of Taiwan said
>>that the basic research is more advanced in mainland than in Taiwan
>
>	No question about it. Any R&D, without immediate sight of
>	profitability, will get little support in Taiwan. Most
>	taxpayers probably would not be upseted about this though except
>	they cannot claim to have rockets or nuclear bombs.
>
>	KMT government should also be questioned for how those 30% of
>	educational budget is spent and be hold the responsibility for
>	further reforms on the education systems. I admire China
>	government for doing such a good job to students everywhere in
>	China; she does not seem to have such problems.
>
>Yung-Kao Hsu
>
>
I believe the 30% educational budget is great. But if anyone try to use
something like that to be little other people, then it will be sure to
get some reponse like mine soon or later. Sorry, if I offend any other
people.

Tingli Pan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27445 soc.culture.taiwan:14221 soc.culture.hongkong:12239
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Oct 10, Our National Day
Date: 11 Oct 92 08:46:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <9228516.17301@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
|> The Subject says it all.  Just a reminder to all Chinese in the
|> world that Oct 10 is our real National Day.  Oct 1 is merely a
|> day where the communist party "celebrates" the removal of
|> capitalism; and is only observed in mainland.
|> 
|> I badly miss those days in Hong Kong primary and secondary
|> schools when everyone is handed a ROC flag on 10 Oct every year.
|> (Blue Sky, White Sun, Bloody Earth).
|> I wonder if Singaporeans do the same thing - i.e. celebrate
|> 10 Oct.

Why do Singaporeans do the same? Many of them don't think themselves as Chinese.

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mece2az@rosie.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua)
Subject: Re: 9201 people's reaction to the blood card and blood carders
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.211814.21399@serval.net.wsu.edu>, hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu) writes...
>In article <2AD5ED9D.8292@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>|> 
>|> 1. One of primary goals of Action 9201 is to tell the true face of those
>|>    blood carders to the Chinese public and the US public.  We have done
>|>    significant amount of work on this.  And we will keep doing this!
>|> 
> 
>Oh, boy.
> 
>|> 2. If the bill has been signed, then, it means they are willing to offer
>|>    blood carders protection.  But George Bush's signature by no means
>|>    answer any single question I raised to blood carders.
>|> 
>|> 3. We still believe that those blood carders are liers.  They Bu4Ze3Shou3Duan4
>|>    seek personal benefits by compromising the interests of the Chinese 
>|>    people in China.
>|> 
> 
>I don't see anything wrong to get some protection from CCP. I know what they
>can do to you if they don't like you.
> 
>|> 4. I still believe that those protectees (i.e. blood carders) are coward--
>|>    history will not remember them as heroes.  Part of our 9201 extension
>|>    is to summarize this page of history.
>|> 
>|> 5. By leaving those garbage in the US, the Chinese government, I guess, will
>|>    be happy.
>|> 
> 
>Those garbage? I believe most of CSS are very talented people. But I am not
>sure about you. China needs them, may not CCP/CG. It is a loss to China. But
>it is the best they can do for now until CCP is changed. I put my hope on
>Chinese people. I believe they will change CCP someday. We have seen some
>hopes now. But we also know what a crazy dog may do when it is under
>pressure.
> 
>|> shannon
>|> -------
> 
>H.J.


THank IFCSS for a great job well done!
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shannon's Bedroom (was Re: Shannon, Bush, and others)
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:33:09 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Oct12.164356.15101@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> His bed is made of Mao's books. His chairs is made of Mao's books. His table is  
> made of Mao's books. His carpet is made of Mao's books. Tell you what, even his  
> toilet seat is made of Mao's books. Basically, he sleeps on Mao, sits on Mao,  
> walks on Mao and even shits on Mao.
> 

Better yet, the toilet tissue is made out of Mao's books.

Ironically, throughout Mao's life, one of his greatest advocation is to
relinquish the Chinese trait of idol worshiping, albeit, he made himself
one of the idols.

> I know nothing more. Sorry.
> 
> Carl
> 
> PS: I just can't help joking each time after I saw his post.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:40:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.220438.26658@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.171507.29459@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>> 
>> >>Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.
>> 
>> >What have this to do with Yue Fei and Qin Hui? I guess modern China
>> >needs neither of them.
>> 
>> Unfortunately you always have these kind of people.
>
>Yes, there are always these two kinds of people, ultra-leftests and  
>ultra-rightests, just like there are always beggars, prostitutes and  
>religiously crazy people in a society. But this does not mean these people are  
>the treasure of a society.
>
>Carl


    Another nonsense from Carl since he mixed good and bad as a
stuff. Don't be "wan2 shi4 bu4 gong1" (seeing everything is bad
and wrong). Patriot and traitor are not so called ultra-leftests
or ultra-rightests, not to mention comparing with beggars, prostitutes
and religiously crazy people(real nonsense). If this Carl's logical
ability alright? (I read many his postings and found him almost
always using toggling logic (i.e. NOT in Boolean algebra) to
the points that most people think to be right and expressing the same
or agreements to those strange and garbage-like postings). I don't want
giving prescription to this guy, but one thing I am going to 
remind you who is hero, who is funk, who is good, who is bad,
people will have their judgment. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:58:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.130651.11176@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:

>	I stand by my statement. I don't see how one would make a selection
>	based on one single issue; life is too complicated than that.
>	As for those MFN postings, I skipped them; they contained few
>	interesting reasons, wits, and are mostly junks. So, you guess me
>	wrong on this; they have few values and that include entertaining.

I do agree with you on the assessment on the net postings, and I agree with
you in general on the single-issue selection.  I do think, however, that MFN
is a serious and strategic issue regardless of the quality of the discussions
here in the net.  It is an issue that could affect tens, if not hundreds of,
millions of people in China.  The reform progress could easily be set backed
by a number of years if the US president does not handled the MFN issue 
carefully.  So yes, in general, I don't think anyone should make a selection 
based on a single issue.  However, in this case, the impact is so enormous 
that I'll make an exception to it.  It is the same case as if a presidential
candiate is openly a racist (like a member of KKK), that issue alone would 
be enough ground for me not to vote for him (i.e. if the politician is so stupid
as to openly admit that he is a racist and if I am eligble to vote :-)

>	I am not (but I will not attend). I only want to express a different
>	viewpoint from yours in looking at this survery and others of similar
>	nature. I certainly have nothing against Norm just because he is 
>	doing it; I think he can understand this based on our past exchanges.
>	Actually, I probably will enjoy seeing the result and, with Norm's
>	expertise, he may even provide us with few analysis on the psedo-
>	scientific result.

>Yung-Kao Hsu

I might have lumped your posting with others that I ran into these
couple of days. I apologize for the misunderstanding.  

I might added that as a past student of marketing research, I am fully
aware of the shortcoming of all the survey, polls, focus groups and what
not.  Any survey result has to be taken with a grain of salt, and has to
be interpreted with the proper perspective and context.   

-cw-