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From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Here it is ... How to include your .signature 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:16:18 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke) wrote in
<1992Nov5.231748.26070@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>:

| There might be two dashes on a line by themselves just above
| the sig file, depending on whether the line 
| 
| 	dashes =                             (I think)  
| 
| has ON or OFF after it.  I'm not sure, but I think maybe the file has to
| be a max. of 4 lines.

1.  The name is sigdashes, not "dashes".  Gordon had reason to be unsure.
2.  The four-line limit is one imposed by some implementation of inews.
    It applies to netnews postings, not to email.  There should be no problem
    with Elm if you have a longer signature file; your correspondents might
    not like it, though.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
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From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:22:51 GMT

apardon@rc1.vub.ac.be (Antoon Pardon) writes:

>|> are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
>|> mail from getting through and causes bounces.
>|> 
>|> Has anybody else seen this. How can this be fixed el pronto!

>We have had similar problems here. The problem however was not elm
>but a buggy NFS. The problems was that when a file was opened with
>the CREAT flag over NFS and you where the owner of the file the group of
>the file was changed to the gid of the process even if the file already 
>existed. As a workaround (This works only on bsd systems I think) we
>set the setgid bit on the spooldirectory to indicate that created files
>should get the gid of the spool instead that of the process. It works
>for the moment.

Thanks for that tip, I did have sometimes similar problems, and could
not track it down, but this I think would help. (At least on my
EP/IX box, setgid works).

Sincerely,
Klaus
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From: shapiro@kgnaix11.aix.kingston.ibm.com (David Shapiro)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: config question: /etc/passwd and system alias checking
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:42:44 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

Hi,
What is the configuration magic needed to make elm 
check the /etc/passwd and/or a system alias file 
for existance of the signon and/or alias?
I had this working at one time (elm 2.3) but its
not working now (elm 2.4)?

Dave Shapiro
IBM Kingston

email:
shapiro@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com or uunet!ibmps2!kgnaix11!shapiro

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From: phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: pager for small mail
Keywords: 2.4 less
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:29:57 GMT
Organization: Division of Biostatistics, WUMS, St. Louis, MO

I just wanted to indicate my support for adding a configuration option for 2.4
with respect to the new behavior of using the built in pager for "short"
messages.

We configure elm to use less as the pager, and have many users whose only use
of the system is for mail.  For them to become sophisticated to notice that
depending on the bottom line on their display they either have to type q or i
depending on what they see will be a major challenge.

Personally I receive 300-400 messages a day and therfore have devised rather
efficient mail reading habits.  One of these involve a well worn neural path
that poises my fingers over the q, n, d and  spacebar keys.  To have to
substitute i for q depending on the message length would certainly both slow
me down and create more miskeys.

Seems to me this would be an easy patch, and it would be very useful for many
users.

-phil
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From: qili@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kenneth Li)
Subject: Re: Problems with frm and readmsg
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:07:10 GMT

Another test
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From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: which locking options on SunOS 4.1.1?
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:27:12 GMT

I was just asked to install Elm 2.4 on SunOs 4.1.1.  I have no ideas
which locking options are supported.  Which should I use?  If there is
a file that comes with Elm that would have answered this for me,
please let me know which file.

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From: elsn4000@bronto.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Frank Elsner)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Any Way To Refresh Mail List Without Leaving elm?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:41:58 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: bronto.zrz.tu-berlin.de

In article <BxHKEq.DMp@sti.com> westes@sti.com (Will Estes) writes:
|Is there a way to refresh the list of items in elm such that items you
|have deleted will disappear from the screen?  New items of course appear
|on their own, but it's annoying to see dozens of deleted items collect.

Type "$" (without the quotes of course), this will resyncronize the
index shown with the reality.

|Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com

Frank Elsner (TUBerlin Postmaster)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: shahryar@crc.ricoh.com (Shahryar G. Hashemi)
Subject: ELM 2.4 PL8 Problem(s)
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:17:46 GMT

Dear all,

Some weird bugs in ELM 2.4 PL8 I have noticed:

1)  For some reason the default mailbox order is Reverse Outgoing
Sent [or something like that] instead of Mailbox Order [which I
believe is indicated in the manual].  Now from what I remember this
*feature* was to have been fixed in ELM 2.4 [or at least that is
what I was told].

2)  Using ispell.  We have ispell here and whether someone runs it
and after it checks their document, somehow the termcap is screwed
up, i.e. when you they 's' to send the message, it does not work,
but waits for a <CR> to be pressed.  This really sounds strange to
me.

There are probably others but thses are the ones I noticed.  Can
anyone tell me how I change these features to non-features??

Shahryar

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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Here it is ... How to include your .signature 
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:17:48 GMT

	In response to the e-mail I have received asking me how to have
your e-mail messages always include your signature file, here goes ...

	Use a text editor to edit the file .elm/elmrc (that is, the file
entitled elmrc, which is in the directory .elm, which is in your home
directory [though I can't see it when I list the files in my $HOME
directory).  Edit .elm/elmrc so that the following lines are appended
thusly:

	The line which sez "localsignature =";  

	and the one which sez "remote signature =":  

put the name of the file you want to have as your signature after the =.
When I go to type in my mail, (on v.i.) the signature file is already
incuded.  There might be two dashes on a line by themselves just above
the sig file, depending on whether the line 

	dashes =                             (I think)  

has ON or OFF after it.  I'm not sure, but I think maybe the file has to
be a max. of 4 lines.
	As to the matter of reading files into a text file you're
editing with vi, just type

	:r <filename> 

in command mode.  Don't put in those <>'s; just put the file's name
after the :r.  
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From: yongtao@odie.cs.mun.ca (Yongtao Chen)
Subject: Help !  Where to get "elm" ?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:11:21 GMT


Hi, everybody,


Does anybody have some information about where to get the source code of "elm"?

I want to have an "elm" on my machine.   Many thanks for your kind help.
From: walter@cithe501.cithep.caltech.edu (Chris Walter)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Piping to command doesn't work (2.4 PL6) on AIX3.2
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:08:17 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cithe303.cithep.caltech.edu
Originator: walter@cithe303.cithep.caltech.edu

Hi Folks,

I recently returned to the US from Italy where I was running ELM 2.4
PL3 on an IBM RS6000 AIX3.1.  Now I am using a cluster of IBM RS6000s
with NFS mounted disks running AIX3.2.  I got and installed ELM 2.4 PL6
with our system manager here and am noticing an error I didn't see
before.

If I try to pipe a message to a command using "|" I get the error(for
example): 

***************************
Command: |
Pipe to: more

Usage: readmsg [-anhp] [-f Folder] {MessageNum ... | pattern | *}
M-^?


Press any key to return to ELM:
******************************

after pressing the return I get:

Return code was 256.

The same thing happens If I run readmsg from within emacs while
composing or replying to a message.  On the other hand shell escaping
readmsg works just find and returns the current message. 

Anyone know what's going on?

-Chris

Chris Walter
walter@cithe501.cithep.caltech.edu  
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From: dwolfe@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:10:12 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

In <Bx9BHq.E1x@mach1.wlu.ca> derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) writes:

>HELP! HELP!

>I think there is a big problem with elm 2.4 (not necessarily just pl6).

>Our directories in /usr/mail/ (users mail directories) group permissions
>are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
>mail from getting through and causes bounces.

>Has anybody else seen this. How can this be fixed el pronto!

It'd be nice to know what system you're seeing this on.  We can
reproduce this problem here on our AIX (3.2) systems when a user edits
his/her mailbox.  At least vi and emacs indicate they have problems
restoring permissions to the mailbox when rewriting it and the result
is that the group ownership of the file reverts to the user's group
instead of mail.  This occurs even though the setgid flag is set on the
mail spool directory!  Just editing the mailbox works fine, but editing
it from elm fails to restore the group ownership.  Go figure!  I knew
AIX was totally broken but this is ridicules.  Our work-around is to
disable mailbox editing during configuration.

Instead of all the AIX gurus out there flaming me, how about trying to
convert me by answering the following:  what should the permissions be
for /usr/spool/mail?  "drwxrwsr-x bin mail" or something else?  Or,
Oracle forbid, does ACEs enter into the fray?

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bam@jutland.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Bo Muldbak)
Subject: Re: Elm and ~/.newmail
Reply-To: Bo.Muldbak@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR Corporation, MCPD Columbia SC.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 11:48:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.023831.5549@DSI.COM>, syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
writes:
|> claudius@zeus.calpoly.edu (King_Claudius (Chris Knight)) writes:
|> >When [if ever] will elm support incoming mail boxes in user's home
|> directories?
|> >[It seems like such a minor change, at least from a development point of
|> >view...]
|> Its not a minor change, as the concept of locking changes drasticly.....
|> 
|> >Does elm 2.4 already support it [and I just have to give Configure some
|> funky
|> >expression when it asks where the spooling directory is?]
|> No 2.4 does not support mail spool files other than in the spool
|> directory.
|> If someone sent me proper patches to support it, including locking, and
|> recognizing that the file in the home directory (or elsewhere) is the
|> spool
|> file properly, I don't mine including them.

Am I just being stupid, or is this supported through the use of environment
variable 'MAIL' ???

I am using it myself to redirect mail (through mailagents) to 
alternative mailbox. I have had incoming box in both alternate 
/var/mail box and in "MAIL=/home/bam/mail.box". And it seem to work 
just fine. (config for SysV.4 machine). And ELM is using correct both 
xxx.lock file and unix locks fcntl.

Regards
	Bo Muldbak
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From: elias@mvax.uakom.cs
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm 2.4.6 and sunos 4.1.2
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:42:44 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: Institute of automation and communication

[BHi,

I am trying to compile elm 2.4.6 on sunos 4.1.2 with these
results :

------------
cd lib; /bin/make - all
cc  -O -I../hdrs    -target sun4 -c  getarpdate.c
"getarpdate.c", line 100: tm_year undefined
"getarpdate.c", line 109: tm_gmtoff undefined
"getarpdate.c", line 130: tm_wday undefined
"getarpdate.c", line 131: tm_mday undefined
"getarpdate.c", line 132: tm_mon undefined
"getarpdate.c", line 133: tm_hour undefined
"getarpdate.c", line 133: tm_min undefined
"getarpdate.c", line 133: tm_sec undefined
"getarpdate.c", line 143: tm_isdst undefined
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `getarpdate.o'
Current working directory /d1/tmp2/elm/lib
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `all'
---------------------

Did you have similar experiences ?
It seems I have not regular time related include files ...

Thanks,

     Lubos.Elias@uakom.cs
From: edana@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ELM for VMS?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:54:25 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Is there a version of ELM for VMS? If not, what would have to be done?

Eric Dana
Mgr. Academic Systems Programming
Tufts Univ.
e-mail: edana@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Telecommuters, Remote Workers
From: 9138827a@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:30:50 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

This item has been cross-posted to comp.mail.misc and comp.mail.uucp
====================================================================

I am undertaking postgraduate study at the School of Library and
Information Management, University of South Australia, Adelaide, on
the particular information needs of telecommuters - those who perform
job-related work at a site away from an organisation and communicate
electronically rather than commuting physically.
 
I would be very interested in, and would greatly appreciate a response
from those who are telecommuters, to the following questions. If you
are not a telecommuter but know of others who are it would be
appreciated if you could pass this on to them:
 
 
Q1      Does the organisation to which you telecommute provide any
        library and information services which are accessible to you
        online? (eg catalogs, reference assistance, databases, literature
        searches, document delivery services, organisation information
        such as daily bulletins and administrative gazettes.)
 
        If yes:
 
        (a) What services are provided?
        (b) How useful are these services to you?
 
Q2      (a)     What is the nature of the organisation to which you
                telecommute?
 
        (b)     If you sometimes commute physically to your organisation,
                how frequently do you do this?
 
Q3      What are the particular information needs that you have as a
        telecommuter?
 
Q4      What basic information services do you consider should be
        provided by an organisation for its telecommuters? (see Q5 for
        additional and desirable services)
 
Q5      What additional information services would you perceive as being
        highly desirable for an organisation to provide for its
        telecommuters?
 
Q6      Are there any further comments you wish to make regarding the
        information needs of telecommuters?
 
Q7      Would you like a summary of the results of this survey E-mailed
        to you?
 
Respondents can be assured that individuals and organisations will not
be identified in any report or summary of this survey.
 
Please E-mail your response to my Internet address:
 
9138827a@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au
 
Thank you for your cooperation
 
Bronwen Strong    

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: rouyn@mais.hydro.qc.ca (Usagers Rouyn)
Subject: ELM in french  WANTED !!!!!!!!
Summary: ELM in french WANTED !!!!!
Organization: Hydro-Quebec (DSB)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:09:29 GMT

i Need ELm  with french messages
or another  french mailer.
SOmebody can help me ?

Thank you :)

Guy Gagnon
Hydro-Quebec

ggagnon@rouyn-ogc.hydro.qc.ca
From: maxc1189@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Ivan Z. Padilla)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: .mailrc aliases converter to elm readable aliases needed.
Keywords: aliases
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:03:33 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Is there such a thing?? A program that converts the aliases in my
.mailrc file to elm readable aliases?  


Ivan Z. Padilla
e-mail: maxc1189@ucselx.sdsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: quale@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Doug Quale)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Reply-To: quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: Undergraduate Projects Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:11:44 GMT

In article <848@rc1.vub.ac.be> apardon@rc1.vub.ac.be (Antoon Pardon) writes:
>In article <Bx9BHq.E1x@mach1.wlu.ca>, derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) writes:
>|> HELP! HELP!
>|> 
>|> I think there is a big problem with elm 2.4 (not necessarily just pl6).
>|> 
>|> Our directories in /usr/mail/ (users mail directories) group permissions
>|> are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own).
>
>We have had similar problems here. The problem however was not elm
>but a buggy NFS. The problems was that when a file was opened with
>the CREAT flag over NFS and you where the owner of the file the group of
>the file was changed to the gid of the process even if the file already 
>existed. As a workaround (This works only on bsd systems I think) we
>set the setgid bit on the spooldirectory to indicate that created files
>should get the gid of the spool instead that of the process. It works
>for the moment.
>

If this is indeed the problem, it is a bug in Elm.  BSD and SYSV systems
set the gid of newly created files differently.  In BSD, the gid = gid
of parent directory, in SYSV gid = gid of creating process, unless the
the parent directory is sgid when the BSD behavior is used.  POSIX permits
either behavior.  If the gid of a newly created directory is important
(and it certainly is here!), the only reliable thing to do is explicitly
chown it to the desired group after the open.



-- 
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quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
From: wp@orion.erls01.siemens.de (Wolfgang Prediger)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Problems with frm and readmsg
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:53:58 GMT
Reply-To: wp@orion.erls01.siemens.de
Organization: SIEMENS AG, AUT 482, Nbg-M
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Hi

I've just installed elm2.4 PL5 (PL6 got the known segmentation violation).
We are using SYSVR4 and happy now that elm can handle the 'remote from ...'
at the end of the From line if the mail is non-local.

But - there are problems with 'readmsg' and 'frm'. Both have their own
simple 'real_from' routine that just counts the fields in the From line.
Frm does wrong if there are forwarded messages in the mbox (a new and an
original From line).
Readmsg didn't even find a message. There I have modified readmsg's
real_from routine to accept more fields:

readmsg.c, line 598:
	return (wcount >= 7 && wcount <= 11); /* was <= 9 */

So my suggestion is to write a 'generic' real-from routine
for all, elm and the utilities.

Unfortunately, I can't spend the time to do it now, so if some
patches exist, they are welcome. 


Thanks in advance

Wolfgang

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From: psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski)
Subject: elm-2.4 Crashes on "send" 
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 20:16:20 GMT

I am attempting to send a simple composition. When I finish editing the 
message, I type "s" for "send", and then elm bombs out with an:

	"Illegal Instruction signal!"

message. Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong? I believe my sendmail is
fine because Emacs mail and ucb mail seem to be working OK.

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