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From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Be a 'saappaaddu raamaan' and a Coward.....?
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:50:16 GMT

	Whenever food is served in a party or a gathering, nobody
could beat, Mr X, a colleague of mine in reaching the table. With
a smile, he used to say: "panthikku munthu, padaikkup pinthu."
[be a 'saappaddu raaman' and a coward?]

	Couple of  weeks back I decided to interpret  that saying
for him.  I see a minor improvement in him now; He doesn't try to
"justify" his act these days.  

Vicky:
UMass, Dec 19
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: Periyar's movement
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:28:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.191724.1132@oracle.us.oracle.com> kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com writes:
>Mr Sundaramoorthy and Meenan Vishnu
> 	You have done an excellent job of explaining Periyars logic.
>I fully agree with you. His' was a radical approach and more of a shock treatment
>and people were not prepared for that at that time, because of superstion,
>conservatism, no education etc. I was a teen when his group broke the idols, which
>shocked me. But now when I look back in retrospect I can appreciate and really
>admire his courage to shatter some egos and myths and establishments.
>
>People are exploited by releigon.. The number of Gods keep growing day by day in India. The General publics mentality is that if God X is not favourable to me then
>try God Y else try Z ......., the philosophical and logical aspects of God is nolonger
>understood by the masses and the few who know that do not care to educate

Speaking of the number of gods, it has indeed grown in the Toronto Hindu Temple:
Among the new arrivals we have Sri Bairava, Brahmi (female version of Brahma),
Dhakshinamurthi (I really don't know who this guy is), and Sri Garuda.  Earlier
we had Ganesha, Durga, SubramaNiya, vaLLi, Devayani, Nataraja, Parvathi, 
Siva Linga, Navagraha, PerumaL, AndaL, Sridevi, Rama-Lakshmana-Sita, Hanuman
and one other which I have not figured out who.
 
To perform archanai, you pay 5 bucks at the counter and the guy will give 
you a ticket.  You write your name, nakshaththiram and gOththiram on it
and give it to the priest.  The priest will will collect about 20 such
cards and start reciting Sanskrit manthras and then distribute a half a
coconut and a banana.

To perform Abishekam, you have to pay 70 bucks.  With this 70 bucks the
temple will provide all the stuff needed.  However some keeners bring
extra 4 liters of milk.  About 8 liters of milk, honey, curd, orange juice
are poured on to the god and they go down the drain (the temple back is 
pretty smelly place and the temple had number of troubles with the
health inspectors)
the panca-amritha is applied on the god's body and is collected back.

Beside these, one can purchase holy water from Ganges in capsule for $21.
One friend of mine joked that the LTTE cadres can wear these capsules
instead of cynide, the water is that bad.

Beside these one can hire temple priests to perform death rituals, 31st 
day thudakku kazivu (impurity removal) rituals, weddings, etc.  The 
rates are from $200.00 to $2000.00.

>the rest to end the madness. I think Preiyar was a spark and we need him today
>more than any other time.


I do not know about India but I am sure that many sane people
would agree that we need a Periyar in Toronto now.
>
>Balu

Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: arbi@paul.polymer.uakron.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: Tamil movie songs; lyrics request
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:54:11 GMT

see previous posting; my lyrics for the song 'idhu kuuzhandhai paadum'
is not correct; in fact, a lot of mistakes.
my apologies.

peace an' luv,
arbi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: venkatap@cis.uab.edu (Chandrasekaran Venkatapathy)
Subject: Re: Solution to Ayodhya problem, by TN chief minister.
Keywords: Ayodhya, Tami nadu
Organization: Comp. Science Dept, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.184926.4629@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>
>
>In article <Bz3uGK.Fx6@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Srithar
>an) writes:
>>
>>Yeah, similar to the humour that Sankarapandi provided when
>>he pointed out that certain faculty members were hired at
>>IIT, Madras just beacuse they are Brahmins :-)
>>

I know a lot of staff have been hired at IITM because 
they are non-brahmins(I mean non-forward castes).

Regards
Chandra
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Fundamental Questions.
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:58:20 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <1992Dec18.192936.1910@msus1.msus.edu> manohar@msus1.msus.edu writes:

>In article <BzGw2z.82q@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:
>> Present Caste based reservation (CBR) in Tamil Nadu:
>> 
>> 1. Is backward caste synonymous to 'all except Brahmins'? One gets
>> that impression as opposition is almost uniquely from Brahmins.
>> 
>  Sorry for reposting , what I'd wanted to say (and this got cut out from my
>previous message ) was that other forward castes in TN like Saiva
>Mudaliar and Karakharthar are numerically too insignificant and their
>being a minority within the minority of forward castes could be a 
>reason why they are not as vocal as the brahmins.

>A.Rammanohar

>> K. Srinivasan  at Hydro Quebec   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca

  What about a host number of Chettiars and Naaikkars.


Kathiravan 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Bramin-Controlled media? in TN? Come on Get REAL!!!!!
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:27:52 GMT

kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>perhaps the best has India ever produced. He got a fellowship from Yale.
IT WAS THE "CHUBB" FELLOWSHIP, NAMED AFTER THE FAMOUS INSURANCE
COMPANY, PROBABLY HEAD QUARTERED IN HARTFORD, CONN, NEAR YALE.
I BELIEVE IT IS AN ENDOWMENT THAT ALLOWS YALE TO BRING "DISTINGUISHED
PERSONS" FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO YALE. I WAS QUITE AMUSED
TO READ IN TN NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES (WAY BACK IN 1967) THAT
MR. ANNADURAI HAD BEEN AWARDED "CHUBB uRuppinar" PADHAVI. DOES
ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW WHAT IS THE CORRECT TAMIL WORD FOR
FELLOWSHIP/SCHOLARSHIP/ASSISTANTSHIP? - GANESH

>(i forgot the name). karuNaanidhi did not start with movies.
>MGR_JANAKI_JEYAA ghOshti is from movie and later entered politics
>.





>>	Ravi Sundaram

> Kathiravan
>>____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: speri@austin.ibm.com (S. Periyasamy)
Subject: Re: "malar" paadalgal.
Originator: speri@nfse.austin.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: speri%nfse.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin


In article <1gr49kINNbh6@menudo.uh.edu>, aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable) writes:
> malar and its variances:
> [1] malare, malare theriyathO  [movie: thEn nilavu]
> [2] malarnthum malaraatha [movie: paasa malar]
> [3] malarkalaip pOl thangai [movie: paasa malar]
> [4] malarE, kurinji malarE [movie: doctor siva]
> [5] poove, pooch chooda vaa [movie: poove pooch chooda vaa]
> [6] pookkalaithaan parikkaatheenga [movie: ???]

   Movie: Pookkalaip ParikkaatheerkaL

> [7] poovil vandu koodum [movie: kaathal Oviyam]
> [8] poove nee yaar cholli [movie: ???]
> [9] poove, chempoove [movie:???]
> [10] poovizhi vaasalil vanthu [movie: deepam]
> Feel free to add more.

 [11] malargaLilE aaraadhanai [movie: 
 [12] aayiram malargalE malarungaL [movie: Niram Maaraatha PookaL]
 [13] malargalil aadum ilamai pudhumaiyE [movie: Kalyaana Raman]
 [14] poomazhai thoovi vasanthangaL vaazhththa [movie: Ninaiththathai
                                                  Mudippavan]
 [15] senthoorappoovE senthoorappoovE [movie: 16 vayadhinilE]
 [16] roja malarE raja kumari [movie: ??]
 [17] poovannam pOla nenjam poopaalam paadum [movie: Azhiyaatha KolangaL]
 [18] poo vaiththa poovaikku pookaL sonthamO [movie: Mattukkaara Velan]
 [19] poo maalayil Or malligai, ingu naan thaan [movie: Ooty Varai Uravu]
 [20] poovarasam poo pooththaatchu, ponnukku [movie: KizhakE POgum Rayil]
 [21] sevvanthip poo mudichcha chinnakkaa [movie: 16 vayadhinilE]
 
- Peri.

-- 
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1915, Wells Branch Pkwy, #607  *  E-Mail : speri@cactus.org * Off : S_PeriyaSa
Austin, TX - 78728.            *    my%nfse.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: "nila" paadalgal.
Date: 19 Dec 1992 21:29:52 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

In article <BzH25t.1L06@austin.ibm.com> speri@austin.ibm.com (S. Periyasamy)  
writes:
> > [1] nilavE ennidam nerungathE, nee ninaikkum [movie:???]
> > [2] nilavu oru peNNagi [movie: ulagam suRRum vaaliban]
> > [3] nilavukku en mEl ennadi kOpam [movie: pOlicekaaran makal]
> > [4] maasilla nilave [movie: ???]
> > [5] vaaraayO veNNilavE, kElayo [movie: missiamma]
> > [6] vaa veNNilaa unnaithane [movie: mella thiranthathu kadhavu]
> > [7] vaanilE then nilaa [movie: kaakkich chattai]
> > [8] vaan nilaa nilaa [movie: pattinap pravesam]
> > [9] nilaak kaayuthu neram nalla [movie: sakala kalaa vallavan]
> > [10] vaanil muzhu madhiyai kandEn [movie: ???]
> > [11] veNNilave, veNNilave [movie: vanchik kOttai vaaliban]
>  [12] nilaak kaayum nEram, saranam [movie: Sembaruththi]
>  [13] nilavondru kandEn, un jannalil [movie: Raagankal Maaruvathillai]
>  [14] nilaavE vaa, ullaasam ( <-- not sure) thaa [movie: ??]
>  [15] nilavaip paarthu vaanam sonnathu ennaith thodaathE [movie: ??]
>  [16] nilavu thoongum nEram, en ninaivu thoongidaathu [movie: Kungumach
>                                                            chimil ??]
>  [17] nilavennum aadai kondaalO, [movie: ??]
    
   [18] oru nilavaip paarthu malaraip paarthEn.[???]
   [19] nilavenna pEsumo [???]
   [20] inbam ponkum veNNilaa veesuthE [veerapaandiya kattabomman]
   From J.Anand's [Zombie Dude] posting:
   [21] Nilave vaa    [ Mouna Raagam ]
   [22]	Nilavu vandhadhu nilavu vandhadhu [ Endrum Anbudan ]
   [23]	Nila adhu vaanathu mele [ Naayagan ]

> I'm sure there are lot more "nila" songs, add them to the list as you
> recollect.
> - Peri.
> 
Venkat
--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: No future for brahmnis in TN (was Caste based magazines)
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:56:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <BzGwMo.888@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes...
>Sankarapandi, quotes from a Iyer magazine, in which it talks of
>(1) the future being brighter for Brahmins in TN,
>(2) the action they should take to protect their caste.
> 
>I should commend them for the first one, as a lot of Brahmins
>feel that their future is not good.
> > 
>K. Srinivasan   at Hydro Quebec   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca


Yes, I fully agree with you from the experiences I have seen with my
friends/relatives/myself. The suggestion I give is to study hard in any field
they can get in to (we know that medicine and engg are not for talented people
in TN) even it is B.A economics, and get out of TN to another country or to
another state. 

But as we say in Tamil "The educated is respected anywhere", I see lot of
bright guys landing in US with just B.Sc, or B.com and doing very well
especially in the computer industry and I might add that most young
professionals who land up here from TN are brahmins though I do not have any
statistics to prove it. 

I think brahmins can do more from abroad for the welfare of the poor cousins in
TN. Though I do not know or believe in TAMBRAs a similar organization to uplift
brahmins in TN should be formed (Thamizha ina unarvu koll) and I do not find
anything wrong with that (like chettiar sangam or vanniar sangam).

RT

Now you can start flaming.............
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sundaram@me.uta.edu (Ravi 'Kity Bum' Sundaram)
Subject: Re: IlakkaNam
Organization: none
	<1992Dec13.202249.6564@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:31:43 GMT

>
>   In article <kat.724111719@ro> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>   >In <Bz3ttG.1Gn5@austin.ibm.com> ali@fvtcmd07.austin.ibm.com (Saleem Mohammad Ali) writes:
>   >
>   >>Thanks for the clarification Mr.Gopalaswamy.
>   >
>   >>From what you have said, I conclude that a "meyyezhuthu" has to
>   >>be used under the following conditions:
>   >


In article <1992Dec13.202249.6564@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu) replies:



>   I know one place where the vallezhutu doubles for sure.
>
>   If the first word ends in the 2nd or the 4th case 
>   (adhAvadhu, mudhal vArthai irandAm allathu nAnkAm
>   Vetrumai urubil mudinthAl, pinnar varum vallezhutu
>   migum, i.e doubles)

>   e.g 
>
>   avanai + kandEn = avanaikkandEn (Note ai at the end of first word)
>
>   rAmanukku + thanthEn = rAmanukkuththanthEn ( ku - Naalam vEtrumai Urubu)
>
>   Bye,
>   Babu


	I have a simple rule. If you have a doubt say it aloud or manasukkuL 
	with and without the doubled vallezhuththu. Whatever feels right 
	IS right. 

	wrong?

	Ravi Sundaram
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 44
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:28:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47541
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


    	"taj mahaalin kaadhilE raama kaadhai kooRalaam !
     	 maaRum indha boomiyil madhangal onRu sEralaam !!"

 	 From "vaa vaa vaa, kaNNaa vaa....."

	 Contributed by Sivabala Narayanan.

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. Anecdotes or personal experiences that
directly relate to the minnal varigaL are also welcome.
----------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
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From: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com (Kris Balasubramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Scene 2: Lord Rama gets arrested (NOT FOR S
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:30:19 GMT
Reply-To: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Hillariuos. Great job Srini! Keep writing. I enjoyed it.

balu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Tamil writers on the AIADMK govt.
Reply-To: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:29:22 GMT


 From : Thuglak (Dec 1, 92)

 Sundara Ramaswamy :
 ------------------
     " I'm not at all satisfied with the present government
 in Tamilnadu. I've never kept any faith on the present
 chief minister Ms.Jeyalalitha. In my opinion, the expected
 disaster is spreading everywhere in T.N. very fast.

       Among all serious problems facing us today, the most
 serious one, in my opinion, is the plight of the working
 women due to their husbands' excessive liquor habits. I'll
 respect the acts of the government rule, political parties,
 women's rights organizations, cultural societies, educational
 boards, communications on the basis of how they approach to
 solve their plight. The present government has removed the
 ban on liquors. This is my main reason to say that the people
 should bring down the present government. I won't respect any
 women's rights organization as a women's rights organization
 if they don't look at the above serious problem as their chief
 problem.

       In addition to this, the other reasons are - corruptions
 present today, extravagence, tyranny to suppress the freedom
 to dissent, sudden violations in law and order, etc., "

 T.K. Sivasankaran :
 -----------------
     " The chief minister Jeyalalitha's `cut-out' culture, the
 parade of cars, unnecessary extravagences - have annoyed the
 people living in towns. Doing `veera vaNakkam' [ couragious
 salute ] to politicians have increased a lot. Because of these
 large scale expenditure, people get alienated. Events like -
 suppressing the press freedom, the Mahamakam incident, Chidambaram
 Padmini case - all  these have only turned against the government.
 For instance, the modern Tamil writers association built a
 building in Namakkal with two lakhs expenditure. Kunrakkudi 
 Adikalar, R.D.O. all came for the opening ceremony of this 
 building. Recently, they have destroyed this building to pieces
 in one day. This can't be justified in anyway. We should call this
 attack as a fascist one. 

    It is wrong to ban some magazines, just because they differ in
 their views. It is wrong to stop the Tamil Nadu public libraries
 from subscribing to `Dinamani' daily. Is it the result if a daily
 criticizes the government rule? We oppose it strongly."

[ Translated from Tamil ]

-- 
peace,
sundara pandian
ah724@yfn.ysu.edu

Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:4385 soc.culture.indian:41065 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1426
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:54:55 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

> IF YOU GO TO THE LIBRARY
> ..caps key got stuck..

  ..nope! it still counts as capital crime..

Prabs
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: parallel proverbs!
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:39:00 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1992Dec20.004201.3397@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:


>In a previous article, gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) says:

>>In article <1992Dec19.014542.24749@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>>
>>> [5] Tamil: "thaayaip pOla piLLai, noolaip pOla chElai"
>>>     Hindi: jaisaa raajaa, vaisaa prajaa
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>peace,
>sundara pandian
>ah724@yfn.ysu.edu

"prajaa being feminine, i think that the hindi proverb should be 
  jaisa raaja vaisee prajaa.

There is a very similar proverb in marathi (jasa raja tashi prajaa)

I have not read the original posting so please dont flame me if I repeat
something said earlier, but there are quite a few parallel proverbs in
english hindi and marathi, which i am posting below -



To make a mountain of a molehill
Raai ka pahad banana
Raai cha parvat banaone


As you sow, so you reap
Jo karega so bharega
Jasey peravey tasey oogavtey

Might is right
La force a toujours raison
?
Bali to kaan pili

?
Jaako rakhey saaiyan, maar sakey na koy
Dev taari tyala kon maari ?


Will someone add to this, please ?

Ajit.


-- 
-----------------------------------------------
Ajit Tulpule

School of Business
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada K1S 5B6

email : atulpule@business.carleton.ca
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: 'Riba' and Interest (was: Re: Civilization bandwagon)
Keywords: Riba, interest, Islam, economics, humor
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:02:10 GMT

In <1992Dec13.084610.8185@cs.wisc.edu> ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) writes:

" [ very amusing stuff deleted ]

" Thanx a lot for the humor Ahmed. 
" I think we need a lot of it these
" days. You know the end of semester 
" and other stuff! Keep it up :-)

" >Ahmed B. Zayan
" >
" >maSry not egyptian

" Is this a linear transformation ?
" i.e. ra(g/j)oll not a man ?
" Just curious ...

" Nabil

Nabil, probably your blood is too "heavy" to reach your head, I advise
you to stand upside down when you post something (but cork your ears.)

             _
 |\_________(@)= |CENSORED|    The above is fiction. I hope you enjoyed it!
   \_\  --/ _/                      
     \=====/       "wa lI qalamon  fI 'onmolI  'in hazaztohO            
        ||            famA  .duRunI   'aLA  'ahoZa   lmohaNadA
        ~~          'i_thA .sUla fawqa .Tirsi waq^o .sarIrihI
                     fa'iNa  .sulIla  lmashrafiYi  lahO  .sudA" 
                                           -- ibn Sana' Al-Mulk
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Summary: Islamic substantiation
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:44:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <nabeel.724362481@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>
>   What middle solution do you have in your mind? How can you substantiate
>this solution Islamically?
>

My view is that eventually there should be a Palestinian state in the West
Bank and Gaza, with guaranteed international access to Jerusalem (or at
least the relevent parts of it).  I am sure Syria and Israel can work 
something out for the Golan.

Is this unislamic?  Remember that there are Israelis who were born and raised
in Israel, who have not participated in any acts of violence against anyone.
Is it Islamic to call for their extermination?  Are we going to hold people
accountable for the actions of their ancestors?

>** "ninsa Li can biNa mbAri.h, i.Sol.hi .kair!"

Tamer Abdelgawad