From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:54:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.165726.10797@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>In article <4038@cvbnetPrime.COM> Tod J Johnson, tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com
>writes:
>
>...ok boys and girls...let us review what we have learned...
>
>
>>I happen to ride a Harley Davidson Heritage Softail. Here are the reasons
>>I bought, and ride it......
>
>...heeeerrrreeeee we go!....
>
>>
>>1) I love to ride. <<---- #1 Reason Folks!!!
>
>...good for you. few people ride bikes because they _hate_ it. DUH! 8-?
>
>>2) I love the weight and size of this particular model.
>
>....good. hate to see you on at two ton mini-bike or something..
>
>>3) I consider it an investment of sorts. It's worth well over $10k and
>>   I only owe abut $5k on it. It retains a lot of its value.
>
>...invest in something else..if you bought a bike, _any_ bike for an
>investment, you need to talk to your broker, he's also got a really _neat_
>bridge to sell you...
>

Bullshit. If you use it for transportation (which you probably need anyway)
and the only cost is maintenance, you'll come out way ahead compared to 
driving a car or riding a bike that costs up to thousands a year in
depreciation and still requires maintenance as well. 
   I've turned up to 500% profit on a bike in a month's time. My average is
probably more like 30-50% over one to three years. Not a bad investment at 
all. The Jap bikes have historically been very bad for this, but the sixties
models are getting hot. You can do quite well with Britbikes. It has cost me
next to nothing to ride and keep a garage full of bikes since I started dealing
them about 3 years ago.

>>4) I love the sound of it. Not that it is just loud and obnoxious, cause
>>   it isn't. It just makes enough noise to please my ears and help me be
>>   noticed in traffic.
>
>..point taken.  I thought the loud sounds of engines went out with
>glass packs in the sixties...oh well...
>

So who said anything about keeping up with the latest styles?

>>5) It's a "rough yet comfortable" ride. Cop seat on a rough bike makes
>for
>>   an enjoyable combo.
>
>..you said it, I didn't.  $10K bike that is rough...'merican engineering
>at its best.
>

Also with a wide torque band that makes for a very enjoyable, laid back ride.
Sounds to me like you've maybe never ridden a big air cooled twin?

>>6) I love the seat height along with the leg position. I'm tall and
>slender
>>   and prefer my arms and legs to be as straight as possible, along with
>>   a low center of gravity.
>
>...hmmm...I believe in the OB/GYN clinics it's called a "stirrup"...no
>thanks..
>

As compared to the sportbike on your hands and knees position (brings to mind
scenes from "Deliverance") it's quite comfortable at moderate speeds.


>>7) The new generation of Harley tends to be quite reliable.
>
>...compared to what?  A VW microbus?...just wait until you need a part,
>you'll have to trade in one of your "straight as possible" arms or legs
>for
>the it..
>>

It may surprise you to find Harley parts are pretty cheap compared to Jap and
European bikes.

>>There; is that reason enough? Is that OK? Am I a "Harlee Jagoff" for
>having
>>chosen a bike for these reasons? Am I a Yuppie scum???
>

Maybe. Don't know you well enough to say. Why do you even care what this 
turd thinks of what you ride?

>...yes you are... Now go clean up that oil puddle in the corner.
>

Sorry, but it's not a panhead.

>>
>>You people are way out of line for the most part. I'm proud to say that I
>>bought a Harley primarily for the above reasons, and only secondary
>because
>>I wouldn't be caught dead on one of those JAP pieces of shit that sound
>>like a Chiwawa with a broomstick up its ass.
>>

I know we're not supposed to pick on spelling, but chiwawa?!

>
>what an idiot, the best working parts on your bike is Japanese, that's
>what made it "quite reliable".  Funny, you fancy around Chiwawa's with
>various sundry items up their bazoos?  I myself don't even _know_ what
>that would even sound like...
>

Possibly. But the parts that make it fun (engine, frame, and bodywork) are
made in the USA.


Jeff Achenbach
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