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From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:15:33 GMT

In article <crystal.726264016@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
> 
>Anyway, when people start blinking at me and acting like a$$holes, I look at
>my speedometer, and if I'm going over 55 (simply because I'm keeping pace with
>the majority of the traffic) I will let the turkey by and hope he gets nabbed.
>Then I will slow my speed back to 55, if safe to do so.  (ie, no one else 
>tailgating...)

Most people who flash their lights at you are not doing it to annoy
you.  It is an internationally-recognized signal that (you are
obstructing traffic and) the person behind you would like to pass.
Since it is unlawful to obstruct traffic, you are correct to pull
over and let the person pass.  I just can't figure out the left-lane
bandits who, when I signal them in this way and pass, pull back
in behind me, tailgating, with their high beams on.  What are they
doing, "teaching me a lesson?"  Demonstrating their ignorance, if
you ask me.  The rude driver is the one who comes up behind you and
passes you on the right while you are moving over to the right to
let him/her pass.  Those people cause accidents.

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: jallred@spdg.com (John Allred)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Stratos Product Development Group (Seattle)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:11:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.195333.28152@voodoo.ca.boeing.com> mnb@mira.ca.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.232432.4907@mdd.comm.mot.com> mccart@mdd.comm.mot.com writes:
>>Why has no one mentioned that it is not only courteous to move over from the 
>>left lane, but it is now a law that you are only to be in the left lane to
>>pass?
>
>Would one of you who are gleefully touting this fact provide a reference
>or documentation.... an RCW code would be nice.

Well, I don't have a copy of the RCW codes, but there are signs on the
freeway in many locations that say "Slower Traffic Keep Right", which
certainly implies that the left lane is the passing lane.

John Allred (jallred@spdg.com)

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From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: sayonara, Ling-Ling
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:21:16 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: red1.cac.washington.edu

In article <crystal.726283763@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>In <1icqogINNg09@shelley.u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>
>>In article <crystal.726265145@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>>In <1icefuINNqtf@shelley.u.washington.edu> dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts) writes:
>>>
>>[much deleted, just to get to the jokes]
>>>
>>>>With names like that, they should build a zoo for pandas in Walla Walla!
>>>
>>>Naw...
>>>
>>>Pango Pango...
>>>
>>>(and name it Sing-Sing?)
>>>
>
>>Enough, enough !! :) :)
>
>NO! NO! 
>
>
Shame, shame 
 (Tsk, tsk)

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From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe)
Subject: Re: Gun buy back failure
Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:06:43 GMT

In <1993Jan10.180102.17876@nwnexus.WA.COM> 6sigma@halcyon.com (Six Sigma CASE (Brian L. Matthews)) writes:
>Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, how do you know there wouldn't
>have been 70 ... murders without the gun buyback program?

And how do you know there wouldn't have been 150 murders if the
would-be murderers could count on their would-be victims being
unarmed?  Many murders fail to happen, today, because so many
thousands of us are carrying weapons.  Even though we're a
minority, the majority benefits because the assassins know that
their intended victim or a member of his family or workgroup might
be one of us, ready to kill the violent criminal despite our
pacifist leanings, to make the world a kinder place to live.
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From: howie@simcon.boeing.com (Howard Modell)
Subject: Looking for Software Engineer or Instructor position
Followup-To: seattle.general
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:00:35 GMT

Please reply via email.

I am currently searching for full-time (!) open positions, either as a
software
developer or an instructor, preferably either in S.King County (Renton or
southward) 
or Pierce County.  I am a seasoned Software Professional with 14 years as a
 
software developer (8 years developing compilers, 6 more creating either
system 
software or GUI software).  I have worked on many, diverse platforms (IBM 
mainframes, Vax's, workstations, PC's, and Macintoshes), and I feel I can
be 
considered expert in C, FORTRAN, and Pascal (I'm comfortable in other
prog.languages, 
as well).  

I have both an M.S. and a B.S. in Computer Science and have been an
instructor, and 
would not at all mind getting back to teaching again.

I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who might know of openings
where I might be suitable.

resume available on request.

Howard Modell
howie@simcon.boeing.com
From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Driver Courtesy
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:40:47 GMT
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

In article <1856@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
:In article <1558@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
::Normal behavior on a 2 lane road coming up to a passing lane is for the
::cars ahead of me to split into 2 groups and block both lanes for the
::duration of the passing lane. With the Ferrari, amazingly they all move
::over to the right, let me by, and then form up to block both lanes!
:
::Also, I rarely get someone accelerating as I pass to try to prevent me
::from passing. In my old underpowered firebird, they would, causing me
::to eat up lots of ground in the left lane raising the danger. (I've had
::people speed up from 45 to 75 as I tried to pass.)
::
::P.S. In my old Dodge people still try to speed up as I pass, but they
::have forgotten about old '60s muscle (!).
:
:Figgers.  They no doubt do that because they feel they will get smoked
:badly and 'lose face' when they try to impose their PC-ness on you.  
						^^^^^^^^^^^^
:Shows hypocracy
:is alive and well, even in the most 'correct' of crowds.
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Figgers.  So very much like the republicans blaming everything
on the liberals.  Gotta find a PC angle on simple rudeness and
inconsideration.

Say "hi" to Mark for me when you see him at the next meeting.

Sheesh!




         Donn Pedro ....................a.k.a. donn@brat.wa.com
	
	       "You talk the talk.  Do you walk the walk?"

		    There are no ordinary moments.
From: gordonh@milton.u.washington.edu (Gordon Hayes)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Studio for rent $425/sandpoint/Feb 1st
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:12:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu
Summary: renting studio apt feb 1st $425
Keywords: studio rent $425 sandpoint feb 1st

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From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:40:59 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1389@brat.wa.com> donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:
/fuck the hyped up idiots who feel tailgating is incentive enought to get me
/to break the law and get a ticket because I'm the one in front who
/gets busted by the radar (happened on my last ticket).

Tailgating in preparation to pass on a 2 lane road is the safest way as it
minimizes the distance you need in the left lane. I hope there is a
distinction between doing that and tailgating merely to annoy the car
in front.

If you've ever tried to pass cars when you have a '68 Volkswagen Bus, you
know what I mean! A courteous passee would tap the brakes when being passed
by an underpowered car in order to help him get around.
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From: mnb@mira.ca.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: BoGART Graphics Development
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:53:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.232432.4907@mdd.comm.mot.com> mccart@mdd.comm.mot.com writes:
>Why has no one mentioned that it is not only courteous to move over from the 
>left lane, but it is now a law that you are only to be in the left lane to
>pass?

Would one of you who are gleefully touting this fact provide a reference
or documentation.... an RCW code would be nice.  Let's examine it in more
detail. I can't help but beleive that it's being mis-represented here.

I have never found an RCW code to support this claim - nor have any of 
you offered an appropriate reference.  On this issue, the latest Washington 
State driver's guide has these two applicable statements....

     1. "You may not exceed the legal speed limit or drive faster than is
	 reasonable under existing conditions.  You may drive slower than
	 the speed limit when visibility is poor or weather conditions
	 create other hazardous conditions."

     2. "On mulitiple lane roads you may drive in the far left lane only
	when overtaking and passing another vehical traveling in the
        same direction or when you are turning left."

Notice that it says *far* left lane.  Some people on the net have twisted
this into "Stay in the far right lane unless you are willing to speed and
go as fast as me."  It simply doesn't say that.  And nowhere does it
indicate that speeding in the left lane as allowable.  According
to item no. 2, it's completely legal for me to travel at the posted speed
limit on I-5 in the second lane to the left... even if there is an impatient
jerk or two behind me.  It's also legal for me to be in the far left lane
even if I'm only doing the speed limit as long as I'm passing slower traffic
on the right - even if speeders are piling up behind me.  The drivers
guide states on obstruction ....
 
    "A special condition exist on a two-lane road when passing is unsafe.
     When 5 or more vehicals from a line behind a slow moving vehicle, the
     slower driver must allow vehicles to pass by turning of the roadway
     and stopping in a safe place."

Notice that this *only* applies to two-lane roads when passing is unsafe.
Notice also that the obstruction vehicle must be moving "slowly".  You
can debate that term if you want but I don't beleive a vehicle traveling
at the posted speed would be legally considered "slow". 

Of course if someone can come up with that RCW code, I'll gladly reconsider
my position.  Even then though you're left with a rather ridiculous and
hypocritical argument where someone who is willfully disregarding the
law by speeding is advising someone else that that they are driving illegally.


-- 
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From: small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Peter Small)
Subject: Ride wanted Edmonds/Richmond Beach <--> Kent
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:10:29 GMT

RIDE WANTED:

I am looking to ride with someone from Richmond Beach to Kent and back
each day.  I will pay.  

I work at Boeing Space Center East, which is along West Valley.

Please respond by email, or call 657-2686.

Thank you,

Peter Small

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From: harryb@phred.UUCP (harry barnett)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:51:58 GMT
Reply-To: harryb@phred.UUCP
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Physio-Control

In article 1icorsINNchm@shelley.u.washington.edu, monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.011938.27671@beaver.cs.washington.edu> mckenzie@cs.washington.edu (Neil McKenzie) writes:
>>In article <1iakisINNa9u@shelley.u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan4.215937.21551@beaver.cs.washington.edu> mckenzie@cs.washington.edu (Neil McKenzie) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Speed laws suck -- one shouldn't be penalized for driving fast on a dry
>>>>road on a clear day with no traffic.
>>>
>>>Can I extrapolate from this, that you feel red lights and stop signs
>>>optional depending upon your 'feel' for the road?
>>>
>>
>>I stop at stop signs and red lights.  It's the same reason I drive slow in
>[snip, snip]
>>light traffic).  This is what I mean by "speed laws suck."  I don't
>>see how this applies to stop signs.
>
>Sorry if I touched a nerve.  I was just curious if there were others laws
>you usually violate, and if so, are there usual times of the day when you
>might more likely be on the road, so I can avoid such times?


EEEEEUUUUWWWWWW!   My terminal just about tossed its cookies from the
stench of self-righteousness that arose from this.  For my display's
sake, could you tone this stuff down?

And why bother to ask, except it be in the spirit of bitchiness?  Can't
you apply your steel-trap mind to the problem, assume the probability
that he, or someone just like him, is going to be out there all day,
every day, go home, lock the door, close the blinds, curl into a foetal
position with one thumb in your mouth, the other in your butt, make a
mental note to switch in five minutes, and then you won't have a
proooooobleeeeem!

harryb@phred
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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:43:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <1993Jan7.195333.28152@voodoo.ca.boeing.com> mnb@mira.ca.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.232432.4907@mdd.comm.mot.com> mccart@mdd.comm.mot.com writes:
>>Why has no one mentioned that it is not only courteous to move over from the 
>>left lane, but it is now a law that you are only to be in the left lane to
>>pass?

>Would one of you who are gleefully touting this fact provide a reference
>or documentation.... an RCW code would be nice.  Let's examine it in more
>detail. I can't help but beleive that it's being mis-represented here.

>I have never found an RCW code to support this claim - nor have any of 
>you offered an appropriate reference.  On this issue, the latest Washington 
>State driver's guide has these two applicable statements....

Check the date on your driver's guide.  The law is new.  July 1 of 1992, I
believe, maybe 1991.  Call AAA-Washington.  I heard of the law through
their newsletter to members.  

The left lane is for passing only.  You may NOT be in the left lane for 
extended periiods of time.  This was also mentioned on the news on KIRO
radio when it was coming into effect.  

And yes, it IS ironic that the lane is there to allow people to break the
law by passing people who are going 55...  Apparently "Slower traffic keep
right" was not being followed by those going 45 and the heavily loaded trucks.
The law of the left lane AGREES with "slower traffic keep right"

Now, go look at your Driver's Guide again...particularly the date.
Both copyright and printing dates INSIDE, not just the cover....

Crystal
  :>
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ten0772@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto )
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: fsl
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:47:33 GMT

From article <1ia9alINN8m3@sumax.seattleu.edu>, by daveike@sumax.seattleu.edu (Eickerman):
> I have been following this, and people talk of fuel consumption.  I have
> done this with my car, a 1980 Mazda 626, 2.0 liter, automatic.  On my many
> trips back and forth between Yakima and Walla Walla, I would drive 65, on
> the interstate, and 55 where that is legal speed, and other times I would
> drive 55 the whole way.  I checked this during the warmer months.  
> 
> What I found was that doing 55 the whole way, I would get around 28 mpg,
> while doing the 65/55 thing, I would get about 21 mpg.  This is quite a
> difference in my book and can be felt in the wallet.  I usually drive
> 55-60 on the interstate, to save money, and when I need to get someplace,
> I go 65.  Going 55 instead of 65 on the trip from Yakima to Walla^2 adds
> about 20 minutes or so, not too bad considering the savings in fuel.  The
> next time you are traveling on I-90, and don't have to be someplace the
> next second, slow down and check your mileage.  You might be surprised at
> the potential savings.
> 
> My dad has similar savings.  He has a 1989 Ford F-250 4x4, super-cab with
> a 460(7.5 liter) with a 5 speed.  At 65 mph, about 9 mpg, at 55 mpg, about
> 15 mpg.  That is running from Seattle area to Yakima, in two wheel drive.
> 
> TTFN,
> 
> John Eickerman              If the world were a logical place,
> daveike@seattleu.edu             men would ride sidesaddle

John,

	I'll concur.  I have a 1987 Mazda B2600 4X4 Cab Plus.  I haven't
	kept exact MPG's, but on trips to NorthEastern Washington if I
	travel at 55-60 MPH verses 65-75 MPH I use about a quarter of a
	tank less of fuel.  Also, I have observed most comtempory
	automobiles and light trucks are designed to obtain best mileage
	verses fuel consumption at speeds of 55-60 MPH.  Hmmm? are the
	manufacturers in cooperatin with the government?


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From: celestin@netcom.com (Paul Celestin)
Subject: Job Search Query
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:30:43 GMT

Hello everyone! I am looking at the possibility of relocating to
the Seattle area. Does anyone have any good suggestions of firms
that act as job agencies (i.e. headhunters), or if there are any
known open positions available in the microcomputer industry (in
Macintosh mostly, though I do Windows and NeXT, as well). Mostly
looking for positions in technical support, with coding in C and
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Please reply via email, and thanks in advance for your help!

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From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:29:33 GMT

crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>Well, I'm a 55'er, and it's hard sometimes to stay *exactly* at 55, especially
>when you are simply keeping up with the general flow of traffic.  55 may be
>a safe speed, when all others around you are going 60, it's a downright HAZARD.


Well, *blush*, I admit it. I like to drive 55 just to piss people off. That's
right, I'm the annoying SOB who actually _slows down_ when somebody is tail-
gating me. (I like to keep a nice buffer so I can brake slow enough so the
a$$hole doesn't mess up my tailpipe.) So, when is the next meeting of 55A?
 
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From: ten0772@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto )
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: fsl
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:04:47 GMT

From article <1ibajbINN24r@shelley.u.washington.edu>, by dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts):
> mckenzie@cs.washington.edu (Neil McKenzie) writes:
> 
>>In article <1iakisINNa9u@shelley.u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>>>Can I extrapolate from this, that you feel red lights and stop signs
>>>optional depending upon your 'feel' for the road?
>>I stop at stop signs and red lights.  It's the same reason I drive slow in
>>snow -- not because someone tells me to, but because it is safer to do so....
> 
> ... And _I_ actually _do_ on occasion go through red lights when
> I feel it is safe to do so.  Such times are inevitably in the wee
> hours of the morning, with deserted streets, and _after_ I have come
> to a full stop at the red light and verified that there is no cross
> traffic coming.
> 
> There is such a thing as following the law to the point of silliness,
> and I consider sitting and idling at 2:30 AM at a deserted intersection
> to be one of those cases.
> 
> I could recount similar tales of stop signs in snow country where
> strict obedience to the letter of the law gets one's car stuck up
> to the door handles in snow, but I think you get the idea.
> 
> -- 
> David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
> davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195

Also,

	A few years ago I used to ride motorcycles, and more than
	once I had to treat traffic signals like a stop sign.  It
	seems a motorcycle's mass or magnetic metals is/are insufficient
	to trip the traffic signal.  I remember once having to get off
	my 'cycle to press a walk button with a police officer watching.
	The officer just shook his head with empathy.


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