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From: roger@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: MS-Windows is the wrong target.
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:24:29 GMT

	I think that if IBM sees MS Windows as its main competition 
for OS/2, then it is making a strategic error. Instead it should be 
looking at OS/2 as a replacement for DOS (MS- or DR-) for those with 
the neccessary hardware. The most important feature of OS/2 is the end 
of the dreaded 640K barrier, although this will not be apparent until 
we have more applications that can use this feature. 
	As a *bonus*, OS/2 users will not need to buy Windows.

Roger C. Green,	Faculty of Medicine                      Phone: (709)737-6884
Memorial University , St. John's, Newfoundland.          FAX  : (709)737-7010
From: Jyri.Virkki@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jyri Virkki)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Help!  OS/2 in Denver
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:42:51 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

>4) The installation process is ridiculous.  A full installation of OS/2
>takes up 30MB and nearly an hour of your time (if you get it right the
>first time) - and this is without installing any real applications.

It is funny/very sad to see this kind of arguments, more so when they
appear in a "respectable magazine" (ha!)

I guess the PC crowd has become brain damaged by being exposed too long
to MsDos (and thinking it is an example of a real OS).

Get Real! 30MB and one hour is an extremely small (trivial, almost)
amount of space/time needed to install what is, after all, a real OS.

If the average DOS-head consumer finds that apalling, I guess there is
the reason unix will never become popular at that level... 

Jyri - DoD#561 - j_virkki@upr2.clu.net
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From: Chris.Moore@f700.n712.z3.asstdc.csource.cec.edu.au (Chris Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Geoworks in OS/2
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:06:10 +1000

In an epistle scribed on <Apr 12 05:15>, Faisal Nameer Jawdat opines thus:

>Can OS2 run on a Commodore 64?
 >NO!
 >but NT can
 >that is why switching to os/2 is a silly idea
 >when windows will be doing what os/2 does now in just two or three years

In which case of course, it will two or three years out of date......

Regards
Chris Moore
From: gdoucett@gdoucette.stfx.ca (G. Doucette)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: What does OS/2 v2.0 deliver?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:08:21 GMT
Organization: University Computer Services, St. Francis Xavier University

In article <10APR199211245959@oregon.uoregon.edu> tsavola@oregon.uoregon.edu (Tom Savola) writes:

>In article <92101.115334TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>, TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET (Turgut Kalfaoglu) writes...
>>Here is a curiosity: CSHOW, a GIF viewing program, runs slower on a
>>4MB machine if you DONT tell it do disable EMS use. Otherwise, it
>>allocates a large EMS, which causes much I/O on this machine.   -turgut

>Have seen the exact same behavior.  For GIF viewing, try Pix Folio (shareware
>for WIndows.)


>Tom Savola

where can Pix Folio be FTPed from?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: free os/2?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 07:25:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

becap@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian CAPSON) writes:
: 
: I heard that it was because Microsoft got tired of the shitty code that IBMers  
You mean you read Gates' privlic memo.  You know, I've never ever seen a
programmer think anybody else's code was other than shitty.  What is it
about this silly profession that everyone thinks they are the only one
that knows how to do it?  I can't think of any other like it.

: were always shlepping off on them, and their insistance on special OS/2  
: capabilities for their PS/2's.

I'd like to see you back that up with one thing you can think of that
would accomplish that. Oh, except for multiprocessing. But we can be
damn thankful that Bill knows better than to knuckle under to that kind
of proprietary frivolity.

: After the DOS 4.0 debacle, I'd say it was
: only a matter of time anyway, and in my opinion a welcome move. Now we can
: have a little competition in the PC OS market. 

Here, here!
-- 
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                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: jeff@fang.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Why so hard to upgrade?
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:08:59 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@fang.clearpoint.com
Organization: /home/jeff/.organization

On 14 Apr 92 14:00:02 GMT, U35828@uicvm.uic.edu said:

 > I would like to know what it takes to migrate from DOS/Windows to
 > OS/2 2.0?  The 1-800-3IBM-OS2 number works, provided you have a
 > credit card handy.

 > What I would like to know is this:  will IBM make the $49 upgrade
 > package available at the local computer store?  I was getting mixed
 > messages.  The guy at the 1-800 number said yes, but local stores
 > said "no" (CompUSA and Elek-Tek come to mind here).  What gives?

One of the guys here at work checked with the local Egg Head and they
said that they would be selling the MSWindows and DOS upgrade kits,
but not the OS/2 1.x upgrades. 

This is second hand information and Egg Head seems to be a little lost
on this subject, but I do know that they used to carry OS/2 1.x.
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From: "mark nickel" <mark.nickel@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: installation woes
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:11:15 EST
Reply-To: "mark nickel" <mark.nickel@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I picked up OS2 at Computerfest yesterday and am having some problems
getting the damn thing(oops I mean FINE PROGRAM) to install.

First off.... Should the System disk 1 be writeable?  I keep getting
system error 0037(I think), which tells me that the system cannot
write A: because the disk is write protected.  I would fix this, but the
disk doesn't have a write protect switch.

Inorder to get around this first program, I made a copy of this disk.

My next problem comes with disk two.  After telling OS2 not to format
my C drive I get a message that it is copying system files.  At this
point the program hangs....leaving the light of both my A disk and my
C disk on.

Reinstalling the config.sys and autoexec.bat on my fixed disk,
but not erasing the few OS2 files that the previous install attempt
created, a subsequent attempt gives yields these words of wisdom.

System Detected an internal processing
error at location ##0150:2057 - 000c:2057
60000, 5013

0386000d1
Internal Revision 6.307, 92/03/01
The system has stopped. Record location number blah blah blah..

HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!

FWIW I am running a
386 33 with 4 megs (intel)
AMI bios 12/24/90
Seagate 210 meg drive

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

thanks.

...*
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From: rm3@ornl.gov (MCBROOM R C)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Release: First Impressions
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:53:32 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

In article <1992Apr9.181653.28887@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

[Deleted]
>
>I miss command history in DOS sessions.  I'd like this to be the
>default.
>
Just put "call doskey" in your autoexec.bat and you have it :-)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: GD.SAR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sandy Rockowitz)
Subject: Re: Problem with golden
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:58:19 GMT

In article <manne.702681008@bern.docs.uu.se>,
manne@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Magnus L|vkvist) writes:
>I got the GOLDEN disks today!!!
>
>But there is a problem... The installation works fine but after completion
>it tells me to press 'enter'. It then reboots, the logo appears and then
>it hangs with a empty screen with 'c0000005' in the upper left corner.
>
>If I boot from the installation disks I can press ESC and view the contents
>of the hard disk. Everything seems properly installed but booting from the
>hard disk doesn't work. I had no problems with 6.177H. (Haven't tried the
>other beta versions)
>
>Anyone who knows why the installation works, why I can boot from the diskette,
>what 'c0000005' means? I never thought there would be any problems with GA
>since everything worked fine with LA!
>
>/Magnus

Magnus,

I don't have an answer for you, but I have encountered message
"c0000005" at boot.  It occurred when trying to use a NEC
Multisync Graphics Engine board in 6.304.  (Before someone points
out that there are no TIGA drivers for 6.304, the MGE has a VGA
chip on board, and works as a straight, if slow, VGA card.)

So, I'd suggest looking at the video parameters that were set
in your CONFIG.SYS, and also try using another board.

Hope this helps,

Sandy Rockowitz
From: pebly@VNET.IBM.COM (Bob Pebly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Help with Bootmanager
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:46:35 GMT
Reply-To: pebly@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Industrial Sector Division, Boca Raton, FL

In <1992Apr14.013500.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvadr014@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>I'm having a devil of a time getting bootmanager installed correctly.
>
>   I'm starting from a blank unpartitioned drive, and what i'd like to
>end up with is a bootable fat partition, and a bootable hpfs, but, i'd
>like to be able to see the fat under GA.

The things to remember are
  - only one primary partition can be active at a time
  - DOS & OS/2 1.X cannot boot from an extended logical partition
  - OS/2 2.0 can boot from an extended logical partition as long as
    Boot Manager is used
  - DOS can't access HPFS partitions

I think the configuration you are looking for is as follows:

  Boot Manager partition
  Primary partition (C: - FAT)
  Extended logical partition (D: - HPFS)

In this configuration, you can put DOS and/or OS/2 1.3 or 2.0 on the C:
FAT primary partition and put OS/2 2.0 on the D: HPFS partition.

Bob Pebly

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's view, not those of IBM.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: Is OS/2 2.0 faster than Windows??
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:41:28 GMT

In article <vw7t2+c@rpi.edu> mcintyre@cs.rpi.edu (David McIntyre) writes:
>tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>>
>>WINOS2 tests run on: PS/2 Model 80 16MHz w/ 80387; IBM VGA; 8 MB memory
>>Win3.1 tests run on: 386/40; Tseng ET4000 VGA (640x480x16); 8 MB memory
>>
>
>As far as I'm concerned, this negates any value of these numbers.  How
>can you compare these values when they were done on different machines
>with different video boards?  This is nonsense....

But, if anything, this would go in favor of Windows 3.1.  A 386/40
with ET4000 should be at least twice as fast as a 386/16 with VGA,
especially if they were using the Tseng drivers (though the native
Windows 3.1 VGA driver is pretty fast on my ET4000 card).

Is WINOS2 really _that_ much faster?  I'm impressed.

Paul




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From: flusekw@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (william flusek)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM OS2TAPE software
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:21:04 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <kubja5INN6h9@coltexo.cs.utexas.edu> easyrob@cs.utexas.edu (Robert Depew Reynolds) writes:
>Has anybody tried this software with OS/2 2.0??
>
>Robert D. Reynolds
>easyrob@cs.utexas.edu
>

I am backing up 6.304E as we speak and will be doing a restore as soon
as I get my GA copy installed.  It looks like it is working fine under
6.304E and I will post more info later.

Bill Flusek, DOS Systems Specialist, Indiana University
From: olavt@ulrik.uio.no (Olav Torvund)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:39:48 GMT
	<PBROWN.92Apr8114352@csgrad.cs.vt.edu>
	<1992Apr9.154209.28162@unixg.ubc.ca>
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

In article <1992Apr9.154209.28162@unixg.ubc.ca> frank@unixg.ubc.ca (Murray Frank) writes:
 
   There is an old (rude) joke in
   which the punchline is that the IBM salesman tells how great it is
   going to be.

I think the character in that joke should be substituted by a
Microsoft salesman, saying "Not Today, but it is going to be great
Next Time".

Olav Torvund
Oslo, Norway
Olavt@jus.uio.no
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jap@cbnews.cb.att.com (james.a.parker)
Subject: Re: PC Week Summary: 4/6/92
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:25:48 GMT

In article <53960@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen) writes:
>They have 300 operators right now, are taking approx. 2400 orders a day. They
>would have more operators but they're at capacity right now! (As per the OS/2
>people in the IBM tower here in Atlanta, where the ordering info is being
>done).

Sanity check -- this implies that the operators are taking 8 calls per day,
or one per hour.  Perhaps that should be 24,000?

                                      James A. Parker
                                      jap@cb1focus.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Idiots at the Magazines
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:56:54 GMT

In article <vsrjvhp.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>I haven't had much opinion on this matter until this issue of PC Mag.,
>the one that compares OS/2 to Windows.  They do a good, if ho-hum, job
>of describing all the strengths and capabilities of OS/2 and then say
>it is a loser.  How they get that conclusion from those facts totally
>escapes me.  Even our buddy Zachmann totally blows it when he tells us
>that the NeXT is built on the Macintosh kernel.  *Mach*, William F., not
>Macintosh. Sheesh.  This kind of blithering ignorance seems contrived
>to make him and his boost of OS/2 look stupid. Steve must be writhing in
>agony.

Zachmann could have made the mistake himself, but this error looks an
awful lot like a copy editor's error.  Never hearing of "Mach," said
copy editor, facing a deadline, of course assumes "Mac" or "Macintosh"
and corrects the "error."
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Trident video drivers
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:43:26 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Apr10.063031.869@desire.wright.edu> jstewart@desire.wright.edu writes:
>	How do I tell which chipset my trident video card has?  The drivers new
>don't seem to work, and I think this might be the problem.

As a first stab, try the following...

Start a DOS full screen session.  (Must be full screen.)  From OS/2
2.0, of course.

Issue the command SVGA STATUS.

If you have the appropriate Trident adapter, it should report "TR
8900/9000."  If it doesn't, the Trident drivers won't work.

Before installing the Trident drivers you must issue the command:

SVGA ON

from a DOS full screen session.  If you don't, they won't work.  You
only have to do this once.

To find out for sure which Trident adapter you have, you can always
look at the board itself.  The Trident chip is a large, square,
surface mounted device (usually), and the markings should indicate
which chipset it is (e.g. 8900C).
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jws@iastate.edu (James William Shoemaker)
Subject: Re: 800x600x16
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:12:15 GMT


> Basically I'm asking "is there any way that I can run the WPS (even w/o
> seemless Windows) at 800x600x16 (or better?) with a Paridise compatible
> chip set?  And, like I said, Windoze 3.1 uses the "universal SVGA
> 800x600x16" driver, so chip set shouldn't matter.

	Sorry, the universal SVGA driver with 3.1 isn't really universal.
It just works with a list of cards.  I know because it puked on my card.

				jws

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Release: First Impressions
Originator: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:38:35 GMT

> But pleaaase somebody tell me how to get rid of the 
> M character that Softerm puts each time, when in vi on 
> the Unix host, and I press Enter...   Else, I'll 
> have to return to Terminal in Windows, which does 
> not do that stupid ^M  (and also, allows for cut and
> paste in Terminal mode...). 

Actually that ^M is not generated from Softerm, but from your DOS/OS/2 
file upload to Unix.  DOS and OS/2 use two characters to represent a newline
whereas Unix uses only one, so when you view a text file with vi the ^M
shows up (I gather that Terminal just doesn't show ^M even if it's there, or
it converts carriage returns for text files when uploading?). There are 
several publicly available utilities to convert DOS carriage returns to 
Unix and vice-versa.  A simple way to nip this at the bud is to use the -a 
option when using sx/sy/sz when transferring the file.  You can just switch
Softerm to stop displaying the ^M, but this doesn't mean that they aren't
still there...you still should be getting rid of them if you plan on using
these files on Unix systems.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jjs@ubitrex.mb.ca (John Joseph Strybosch)
Subject: Re: Intelligent users v. Microsoft
Organization: Ubitrex Corporation, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.190225.23261@microsoft.com> gregde@microsoft.com (Greg Demichillie) writes:
>I mean, no one really gets this worked up over issues this small without
>someother motive do they?  

Unless, of course, it has to do with false advertising.  If
I were to buy something marketed as an operating system, and
then had to buy an operating system to run it on... I would
I had been mislead!  Or does Windows 3.1 run without MS/DR-DOS
now?

JJ Strybosch
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz)
Subject: OS2 My experience/minor problems
Reply-To: swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:26:25 GMT


Well I was one of the lucky ones at the COMDEX show to win a free copy of  
OS2 2.0 and I installed last night.  The installation was relatively easy,  
but I think IBM should have posted more information on the screen about  
what was going on (SMALL DETAIL).  I got it up and running but I have one  
problem.  My printer will not work.  It initializes itself when I turn the  
computer on, but when I try to print from OS2 it says YOUR PRINTER IS NOT  
ON, or another error.  I have booted on a DOS disk and the printer works  
fine.  The printer is set up on LPT1. 

	System Configuration
		483 -33 8 megs of ram
		130 meg IDE hardrive
		Soundblaster Card
		SVGA Monitor	
		Printer is a Panasonic KXP-1124i


	Has anyone successfully installed Word for Windows 2.0 under OS2.   
I repartitioned my hard drive so nothing was left.  I then installed OS2.   
When I try to install WFW 2.0 I get a Cant read so and so...  Can I  
install this program on the OS2 partition or does it have to be on the DOS  
partions.  If someone who has installed it could send me some email it  
would be much appreciated.

	Also one other question.  I tried to install the SVGA trident  
drivers.  They installed and it said reboot to make changes take effect,  
so I shut down and rebooted.  OS2 would not come up then I assume because  
of an incompatibility between the driver and my card.  The screen blanked  
out and stayed there.  I only tried one of the drivers, but I would  
experiment with the rest if I don't have to reinstall it everytime it does  
this.  After this happened I reinstalled it and left the driver as VGA.   
Is there anyway to change the configuration without getting into OS2 or  
something....???  

	
	Other than the 2 minor problems OS2 is great.  The installation  
and other assorted manuals are on the skimpy side, but the online help  
makes up for that.  It is extremely quick and responsive.  I haven't tried  
to run any Windows programs, other than the clock, yet, but what I saw at  
the COMDEX show assures me that that will be no problem.  The applets are  
simple but full featured.  So far I LOVE IT.  I used Windows and DOS  
before, but HOPEFULLY never again.  OS2 is much, much, much, ......, much  
better.  It is much deeper than Windows, but once you get the hang of how  
to do things, it is just as easier if not easier.  The GUI is quite  
attractive, and the ease at which you can manipulate files and programs is  
great.  It has definitely made a believer out of me.


			Jeff Swartz


			A FORMER Windows/MSDOS user
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From: wanderer@athena.mit.edu (Opus)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 communications this and that
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:00:59 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Help! I'm having troubles downloading with my 14400 baud modem on my
386/20Mhz with OS/2... when i run my dos comm program, even in the
foreground, doing nothing else, it seems to be slower and gets lots of
errors, ending up with about 200 cps thruput... with the os/2 terminal,
it dials the #, then when my modem (USRobotics Courier) gives the RINGING
signal, the program calls it NO CARRIER and hangs up, so i can't even
connect .... 

Does anyone know hwo to get my DOS comm program to download????? Is there
a setting somewhere i'm missing? do I need a 16550 UART before i can do
anything??? If that is the case, is there a way to get around the os/2
term program hanging up for no reason?

Please email all replies, ...if you post them here, I should get to them
by the time Windows NT is released, looking at how many messages i have
to go through at the moment.....

Thanks a lot!

Conroy