HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:15:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <3686@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.200046.13549@sequent.com? dinneen@sequent.com (Jay Dinneen) writes:
>?
>?Are homosexuals dangerous to children?  Give me a break.
>?Heterosexuals are more dangerous to children than homosexuals.  I
>?don't have statistics, but the question itself is ridiculous.
>
>Indeed it is. 
>Ask any behavorial psychologist. The typical child molester/abuser is:
>white male, middle class, married, fundamentalist Christian, heterosexual.
>
>Mike

You left out "of European heritage."

Ted

-- 
"Vote Democrat.  It's easier than getting a job."

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:02:54 GMT


My sentiments exactly!!!


Simon

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Pro-Abortion
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:02:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.031604.10701@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <BvCvwp.CMs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mci41087@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Occaisionally) writes:
>>Once again Mr. Wganer has shown his true intellectual colors.  I am against
>>abortion myself, sir, and find people like you a tremendous liability to my    
>>cause.  I wish your type would think before they talk.  Then again, fascists
>>have never been good at making friends.
>>
>>Matt I.
>
>	What makes a Fascist so ugly to us?
>	It is the fact that fascists bend government, which then bends
>the people through its superiority in warfare against the people. That
>seems to be our modern day definition. My only ideal for the government
>is one which fills a vacancy and keeps other governments from assuming
>that position; otherwise I would be forced to spill my blood and the blood
>of those I love trying to get rid of it.  To call me a fascist is merely
>to invoke a trite word reflecting upon my apparent coldheartedness.
>	Yes, I am coldhearted-but I also try to be realistic.
>Everyone of you will die. I can guarantee you that, at least in the physical
>sense.  I do not pretend that death is a bizarre evil which government
>can prevent, simply because our concept of government is so mutually
>entertwined with the concept of death. I look at you people with your false
>pitty and I call it a lie.  You have no solutions, and life in the abstract
>means nothing to some of you.  It is only *your* life, *your* concept
>of existence which means anything.
>	Maybe I have been tardy in following up to that post. I wanted to
>see what response it would elicit.  I received *Fascist*, *cold-hearted*,
>*I assume you knew her*, etc.
>	When people buy *illegal* drugs and snort mouse poison, a common
>occurence here, I have known people intimately involved, I say that
>those people are *stupid*.  Yes.  The addict needed to fulfill his addiction;
>the woman needed to have her abortion.  But it is widely known that
>drugs is a dangerous game; it is widely known that illegal abortions
>are a dangerous game.  Only fools play with drugs, loaded guns,
>and illegal abortions. Everyone must experience a physical death at
>least; I feel no pity for someone because they died; should I feel pity
>millions of times a day? No, I say that it was her decision and she
>made a *stupid* decision.   You can attack me all you want because
>you think I am cold-hearted; I don't subscribe to any of your petty
>social conventions, nor do I care to, considering the severe 'brainwashing'
>that goes on behind its curtains. Good day.
>
>				John Peter Wagner
>.
>

 
  Oh, god, please help my fellow human being. 
 

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: How do three way debates go?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:20:10 GMT

Has there been a precedent?

Is there a standard way of doing this?

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:26:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.192210.27887@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.173748.17742@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>Yeah, I know.  I HATE rap.  It is the most horribly conceived system
>of producing excessively rythmic computer-generated noise yet known
>to mankind.  

Nope you are wrong here. I think what you are thinking of was called "Disco";)

>However, if I say so, I'm sure to get beaten up because
>that would mean I'm a Nazi and Nazi's are guilty before proven 
>innocent.  

>I'll tell you why there are so many whites out there guarding against
>innocuous social/musical/artistic/whatever comments of other whites.

Could it be that there are some whites who truely beleive that "all
men are created equal"? Could it be that there are some whites that just
won't put up with racism--no matter what the source?

[Lots of sterotypical b.s. deleted here about what Rap "really" is]

If you open your eyes just a little bit you'd see that Rap is not a white/black
thing. It's more of a generational thing. True, the majority of rap artist
are black, but the reason that it is so popular is that the young of this
country(all colors)like it and support it. I don't like rap myself but I 
have to support the artist that speak out against drug abuse, gang violence,
sexual abuse, racism ect.. in their music. Not all rappers are like Ice-T 
calling for violence. Of course these are the artist that get the most 
publicity. The only reason I know this stuff is that I have a teen daughter 
who, like all of her friends, like rap.
BTW:Anyone who accuses someone else of being racist because of their personal 
choice in music CAN'T be taken seriously.

Stan Knight
|If all racism ended today I still couldn't jump|
From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: alt.politics.clinton
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:44:45 GMT
Distribution: alt.politics.clinton
Organization: NMSU Computer Science


Simon,

I don't plan to 'nuclear flame' you.
Your suggestion of abstinance is not a bad one, but tell that to the
young kids (I mean mid school to highschool age) who think that sex is
the next best thing to being alive! And of course, at least in the
town that I live,and I assume most of the country, the problem of
unwanted pregnancies occur mostly with females of that age. I teach at
one of the four high schools here in Las Cruces and we see an average
of *15* pregnancies per semester PER SCHOOL! that is 60 pregnant teens
a semester in a city of approx. 100,000 population. 
Now I am pro choice, but that doens't mean that I am pro abortion as a
means of birth control, just that I believe we deserve the choice as
to what to do to our own bodies. 

I expect to be flamed for the following section so...
*heat resistant body suit on*

The biggest problem I see is not whether abortion is the killing of a
life or choice the right of women, but what to do about the multitudes
of young women who get pregnant because of ignorance. It is not the
choices after pregnancy that are the problem, but the choices BEFORE.
Those choices include:
	abstinance
	birth control (condoms, pill, sponges, IUD, etc..)
	no birth control

One will only benefit if she/he makes an EDUCATED choice.

I hate to sound like Miss Negative, but I have first hand experinence
that leads me to say...these kids don't know ANYTHING!!!

I realize that abortion is one of the biggest issues next to the
economy in this election, and I am voting for the candidate that is
pro-choice, but I am more concerned about keeping these pregnancies
from occuring. 
It is personal opinion that the more strictures put on abortion, the
more ignorance will breed.
What will we do with the thousands upon millions of little babies that
the 'babies' have each year???
Adoption?
I will just recall the post I read in this group a few weeks ago about
adoption...The one that mentioned the fact that if the baby up for
adoption is white and healthy, there is no prob. Again the questions..
who will take the crack babies? The babies already infected with AIDS?
The mentally and physically disabeld babies? 

Okay okay..so I realize that most of this post is rambling opinions...
but I just wanted to get them in there...
Have a nice day
Susan

***********************************************************************
	-I didn't know that God was a Republican,
	 and that all the angels only had right wings....

Susan Biles						Student of Educ.
sbiles@dante.nmsu.edu					and Proud Democrat
***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 03:14:01 GMT

In article <9292@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
"In <1992Sep22.152036.26058@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
"
">In article <1992Sep21.215009.10231@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
"JP:Conservative are cold-hearted and dangerous
"
"JM:I challenge you to support this claim. It is a favorite claim of the
"JM:left that we (conservatives) are cold hearted, but I have yet to see
"JM:any plausible support for this.
"

1> Bush vetos family leave bill.
2> Bush vetos extention of unemployment benefits until it becomes
   obvious that it will be against him in the elections
3> Bush fails to support the Kurds and Shi'its in Iraq and allows
   Saadam to butcher them.
 
Those are just three points, I can post more, if you like. Anyone else 
got any to post??


Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Pro-Abortion
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:06:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.105048.7267@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I suggest that all pro-abortion people start by aborting their own
>children, all of them.  Then, when they have found the joy of it
>they can tell the rest of the world and the rest of the world
>can voluntarily join them.
>
>			J. Wagner
>
>P.S. Happy extinction, suckers
>

 
       This is sick. John Peter Wagner, don't embarass yourself and your high 
school and University of Chicago by displaying your (lack of) thought and
knoweledge, please.   Please go back to your dorm room and study and get your
self more educated, please !  You are a good example of the failure of the
"education president".  (this is in referrence to your useage of "education
party", a term you used to attack the democratic party, new to me).
 
	If I can't speak for other pro-choice people, I certainly can speak
for myself.  I want to have a child dearly, (I have claimed a few god sons
whom I treated like my own sons, doing everything a father will do for them
except living with them and care for them daily), my desire for a child or
more of my own has been very strongly expressed to my PARTNER. Yes, she's my
partner, that means I can not force my desire on her, I need her cooperation
as a partner. As she will respect my position, I also have to respect her
choice, HER CHOICE, the choice she will carefully make with my cooperation,
that will be best for her and me and our future child if the choice is to have 
one.
 
       I hope after more learning, you will understand things better. Please
get yourself educated better, for the republican party's sake,  if you don't 
give a damn about yourself. You want to be a rabid republican defender, don't
you ?
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From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Platform Archives on ftp?
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:54:04 GMT
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Not very organized

nancyg@banshee.bellcore.com (Nancy Griffeth) writes:

>You can get virtually everything on both candidates from nptn.org

>I got the following information from them a while ago:

But not the full text of the GOP platform.  At least it's not in
the INDEX.BUSH file.  There are two summaries in there which
summarize parts of the platform.  But even they don't give us
the exact text of the platform.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: A Vote for Perot=A Vote for Bush
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:55:41 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

There was a recent blip on the news which stated that Clinton has
indicated that he feels an active Perot candidacy will give the
election to George Bush. There was no indication whether he felt
that Perot's candidacy was a deliberate effort to do just that,
but as I've posted before, I think a "cui bono" analysis
would indicate that Perot's run is a "you owe me one" message to
George Bush. 

The Clinton people must not only address the issues now, they have
to convince people who are attracted to Perot -- frustrated folks
looking for a charismatic answer -- that two policy wonks like
Clinton and Gore can seriously change the structure of American
politics. I don't have the foggiest idea of what they should do.

All I can possibly do is ask people to recognize that their vote
for Perot will not accomplish what they think it will accomplish.
Yak...here I'll parrot Quayle: if you can't vote for Clinton,
vote for both Bush and the Republican Representative/Senator on
your ballot. Single party accountability will be the only way
to break the cycle of ridiculous politics-as-usual
in Washington. As charismatic as you find Perot, you should 
recognize that without a poitical party to support him, he
will be paralyzed in the White House. If you want change, 
give one party power. And vote them out if they fail.

Clinton/Gore in '92.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Build that wall, Bill & Al!  Excellent.   NOT!
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:34:37 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Oct3.001024.11104@clipper.ingr.com>, ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.150640.4437@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>
>>	Clinton and Gore have lined up on the anti-NAFTA side of the coin,
>>spreading protectionist fear and xenophobic hatred in their wake.
>>
>>	Smoot-Hawley, anyone?
> 
> How Greatly Depressing.
> 

	But wait, there's more!

	They'll trash the Caribbean Initiative also!

	Man, in only four years, they'll have the Americas back to 1979!!!

Brett                                                      
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From: aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert D West)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:33:58 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: as215-ws-2.ucsc.edu


In article <BvMKsu.90v@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:


> <Tom Haden is nor more your typical Democrat than Rush L is 
> your typical Republican.

> First of all, who the hell is Tom Haden?

Tom Hayden is the liberal state Assemblyman from Santa Monica
who is running for election to the State Senate this year. A former
husband of Jane Fonda, he was responsible for Proposition 128,
which conservative forces in the state defeated primarily
by linking it with a negative image associated with his
name.















































Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
From: tcws@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (Bill Sirinek)
Subject: Re: Quayle is more charitable than Gore
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:43:55 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-1815]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu

In article <1992Sep29.223717.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>     Here's an interesting little piece I found in the October 5
>National Review (pg. 12, col. 2):
>
>     In this corner, Al Gore, apostle of charity, compassion, and
>     saving the earth.  His opponent, Dan Quayle -- avatar of
>     Republican greed and selfishness.  Tax returns show that the 
>     two had similar incomes last year.  Guess which one gave more
>     to charity?  Of course.  The Quayles gave $5,670, or 3 per cent
>     of their income, while the Gores gave $1,727 -- less than 
>     1 per cent.  Maybe Mr. Gore was trying to strengthen the case
>     for federal poverty programs.
>
>It looks like Gore, the media-proclaimed moderate, is really just
>another hypocritical bleeding heart -- since his public rhetoric
>dwarfs his private generosity.
>
>     C. Perttunen



I think you need to be informed that the Quayles are far richer than the Gores... I dont know by exactly how much, but I do remember hearing once upon a time that the Quayle Family was worth $50,000,000 or so... By income, you mean what he makes as vice-president, which is hardly as much as he makes from outside things (probalbly getting his pockets lined by all his conservative buddies). Gore is the man for the VP, and I long for the day when they debate, and Gore wipes Quayle's ass all over the floor....



 







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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.correct
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Legislation of morality
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:56:46 GMT


I can't quote your text, but:
What you're saying is that someone can get AIDS even though they don't
engage in any of the behavior that would expose someone to it, right.??
So I don't do those things, but I'll still get it one day is what that sounds
like.

Simon

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Economic Recovery plan
Organization: Not releated to any organization.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:33:40 GMT

In article <s9TNRB4w164w@cellar.org> kml@cellar.org (Scott Tiger) writes:
>
>For a free copy of Clinton's economic recovery plan, call 1-800-272-9763.
>

For a free copy of Bush's economic recovery plan, just look at what he
did for the last 4 (or 12, depending on how you look at it) years.

Don't expect him to change.  His buddies are getting rich and that's
all that counts.

George "Lie And Spend" Bush ignores the budget.  He'll be gone by the
time it caves in on us.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
       Both candidates are offering economic packages, but only
          one candidate can leave us with a President Quayle.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: Re: Gee, why don't we default on the US debt!!!?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 22:19:04 GMT

In article <21661@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
> The government can also let inflation run wild - Carter did this.  It
> has the nasty side effect that interest rates run wild as well, which
> Carter also did.  Rampant inflation (say, 15% per year) would half
> the national debt in 5 years, and put it back to pre-Reagan levels in
> 10.  One nice side effect of this is that as interest rates on the
> bonds soar, the value of old bonds on the open market plummets - the
> government could move into the market and start buying up its debt for
> pennies on the dollar.
 
The only problem is that large portions of the US National Debt are funded
with short term T-Bills (30 days I believe).  The financial markets aren't
stupid, they would simply demand higher interest rates to make up for the
devalued money.
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
From: tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Clinton In New Jesery
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:25:26 GMT
Organization: Unisys, Applied Technology, Malvern, PA

In article <1992Sep25.013639.25122@erenj.com> bdboyle@erenj.com (Bryan D. Boyle) writes:
>>
>I am surprised that he had the courage to show up in a state that
>mirrors  the failures of his inbred slice of the south...in education, 
>tax levels, and cynicism, he is a hard man to beat.  Something like our
>own craven, grasping, and sleazy governor...

I see where the Republicans have rolled out their new ad campaign for the
Garden State: Clinton and Florio -- Perfect Together!

-- 
Tom Albrecht
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Platform Archives on ftp?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:28:04 GMT

In article <_hjzm!f@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>>In article <hcgzksb@rpi.edu> buckmr@lib110.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>>And does ANYONEhave the Republican latform on-line? Or are they trying to
>>>hide the thing??
>
>>Interesting assumption "doesn't seem to be on usenet" = "hiding".
>
>Well, there are obviously so many Republicans on the net and one would think
>that one of them would be proud of their platform to scan it in.

Or maybe they're clever enough to figure out that scanning it in is
basically a waste of time, just as it was for the Clinton platform.

People who actually want the platform made the relevant phone call a
long time ago and have it now.  People who don't want it didn't make
the call.  People who bleat about not having it but don't make the
call don't want it, they want to bleat.

-andy
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From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: Family Values
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Reply-To: nobody
Organization: not very organized
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:53:38 GMT

<TAF102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>If this discussion on the Bible is going to continue, please take it to
>e-mail or one of the religion net-groups.  It has no place in alt.politics.
>clinton.

Amen!  uhhh. ooops.  Why did it get here in the first place.  If we
want religion, we'll go to the Republican National Convention next
time around.  Hopefully, we won't go to our supreme court to get religion.
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