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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D. Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Self?
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:05:38 GMT
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics

In article <1992Sep14.171534.8393@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:
>>Dec.12,2012, my only point of dispair. It is of my opinion that no bible,
>>or no astrologer or anyone else claiming to see the future can predict the
>>world has to end.  Why does it "have to" come to an end?  I'm going to do
>>everything in my power to keep things the way they are, so forget it. Things
>
>this is the date at which the stars will be most favorable for the rousing
>of the old ones. I will do everything in MY power to raise Cthulhu BEFORE
>this date during the minor astronomical events  between now and then.
>A world stupid enough to tolerate things like Ronald Reagan and elevator
>music, its destruction cannot commence too soon.
>
>yrs under the elder sign...
>
>-Scott
>
>

What is it exactly with the year 2012?  It seems like ever since that 
"Harmonic Convergence" that 2012 has been mentioned as a turning point (in one
form or amother) for the world.

And they say life begins at 40...(I turn forty right around Dec 12,2012! :^)

Jeremy Hall
Penn State Univ. 
jdh@math.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Self?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:07:18 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

>I do not attribute the state of this world solely on the old ones activity.

Not entirely. Much of todays activity is due to the illuminoids. They are
far more active than servants of the old ones. This will change as we get
more access to high-tech instruments.

>Maybe I just don't like to accept fate, but i feel the state of this world
>is in the hands of the individuals on it, not just the old ones.  Accepting

The human race was created with the sole purpose of revival of the old ones.
It is as much a part of us as sex & death.

>someone say ,"you have to give up," is a strike against intelligence.

I never said to give up. I said you must join the old ones or perish.

>   2012, I expect...we,well, most of us, will still be around.  Sure, I can

Perhaps. I guarantee you that most will not be around by 2013...

>But just because things suck is no relevant reason to call down the old ones.

They call us to raise them. It is our destiny. They exist in the spaces 
between, not above or below.

yrs under  the elder sign...

-Scott

Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Subject?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:59:39 GMT

baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: : 'Course some studies attempted to say that most people died by about
: : 5-6 stories down in a fall from a building... now I'd like to know how
: : they went about testing *that one*.... ??? :-)
:  
: Hm - at 20 ft/story - that comes to about 100 or 120 feet. I wonder why
: more "bungee jumpers" do not die when jumping.  Guess it just shows that
: many studies that do not use experimental data are ful of shit.
: 
:  
: Bill                 
: 
: >ME< Gee Bill, do you think maybe people who fall from a building might
: >ME< in some way come into contact with the building (say with their
: >ME< heads) after falling 5 or 6 stories? Why do you think bugee jumpers
: >ME< take care to jump only from free-standing structures?
: >ME< Please think before you dump _your_ shit on the world.
: 
: >ME< -Brian

Someone who falls from a building is unlikely to hit the side of it, unless
a strong wind is blowing towards the building. Such are the laws of physics.

However, that is beside the point. The posting was about people who died
early in the fall from non-physical causes. Your argument does not fit the
situation.

I did think about my posting - maybe you did not read the complete thread and
simply misunderstood.

I am glad that you are omnipotent, and can determine offhand just what is shit
and what isn't. Where is your church? How much does it cost to join? Do I get
part of the take if I become a priest?

Bill
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:20:20 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep9.224221.987@ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.123045.6593@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
>>are still no satanists on it.  Just nasty atheists.  If you worship yourself
>>(the opposite of the Christian denial of yourself), I would agree that it is
>>"of the devil", but clearly not real satanism.
>>
>>Evan Marshall
>>
> Well, with school back in session our old friend Evan is back with his funny

Well, it's nice to be remembered...I think...

> little worldview. Sure is refreshing to hear from someone whos entire world-
> view is shaped by television & a quaint translation of an outdated hebrew
> greek & aramaic manuscript. (as if we don't hear from enough of these idiots
> every day)

My view of the world is not shaped by TV, nor have I left this newgroup just
because school was out.  I just wanted to see what would happen if I left you
alone for a while.  Obviously the group has grown a lot.  It is good to see
that more Christian-types are reading this newgroup and talking to you all.

> 
> BTW Evan, I worship Great Cthulhu! Soon the great old ones will rise from their
> aeon-long slumber to wreak joyous havok upon the earth! We must accept Cthulhu
> as our master to be spared in the upcoming apocalypse! Through the use of the
> ancient rites, handed down from the dawn of time, we can become allies to
> the old gods. We will be rulers of the tattered remains of humanity the
> old ones leave for our amusement!
> IA PAN!
> IA YOG SOTOTH!
> IA CTHULHU!
> 
> ye servante of ye great olde ones...

Is any of that for real?

> -Scott (insane cackle here)

Break me.
Evan Marshall

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:51:58 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


>
>-Evan (Born-again Idiot)
>
>do you ever get burnt by your own flame?
>

Certainly not by the likes of you.

Don't you ever trim your articles so as not to waste the space with irrelavant
bits? Try <alt>k...

ye servante of ye great olde ones

-Scott
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:41:38 EDT
From: <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Self?

I do not attribute the state of this world solely on the old ones activity.
I also do not think the world has to end just because the old ones say so.
Maybe I just don't like to accept fate, but i feel the state of this world
is in the hands of the individuals on it, not just the old ones.  Accepting
someone say ,"you have to give up," is a strike against intelligence.
   2012, I expect...we,well, most of us, will still be around.  Sure, I can
agree with you that life will probably be as screwed up as now..if not worse.
But just because things suck is no relevant reason to call down the old ones.
   I will agree that I was a little off in the star discussion.  But the basic
argument still exists.

                                   later, iseri

                                                  smitty.
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: find lives revisited
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:54:28 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <65875@cup.portal.com>, Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
> Boring is why I tend to stay away.  Are Satanists naturally boring?
> I did look up 'morbid'.  Roughly equable to 'diseased'.  I'm not sure that
> says much for you if you admit all this and then turn around and say
> 'but I'm not gonna give it up'.
> 
> On the other hand, I admire your diligence.  I am inspired to ask you,
> however, in the face of so much worthlessness, why bother?

I do it for the same reason I read guys like Crowley:  it's back-breaking work
sorting through all the sludge, but every once in a while I come up with
something that makes it all worthwhile. The comparison isn't entirely fair; I
get more payoffs from alt.satanism.

> And does
> the lack of substance in most of these posts reflect a lack of substance
> in the Satanism of those who post here. 

No, it reflects the fact that we can't all come up with exciting new things to
say every day. The core of serious Satanists in this group is tiny; it's
difficult to constantly generate topics of discussion with a limited supply of
minds.

> If you can't find anything of
> value to say, why bother saying it?   Can't you find anything more 
> exciting to do?  (not a crime if so)  

Truthfully, this is the topic of most interest to me; if the only thing I can
think of is to defend my beliefs as a mental exercise, that is what I will do.
 
> I'm sorry, but I consistently get the impression that the majority of
> people who are regular posters to this newsgroup are frustrated Christians
> and rebellious teenagers.  (for more voluminous and sometimes more
> edifying posts of the same style, see alt.atheism)

I can agree with this on two conditions:

	1. The frustrated xians are the ones who keep trying to convert us.
	2. The rebellious teenagers are the ones who start out by saying they
aren't Satanists.

I can actually think of legitimate reasons to post the attacks against xians
that you are complaining about.

It's good practice for serious discussion about Satanism. By defending yourself
in writing against a real person rather than an imaginary foe, you have to give
more thought to what you believe and why you believe it.

You also get the chance to see what others think, provided they also post;
their thoughts may cover ground you hadn't even considered, or they may put
some thought in a better light.
 
> Thyagi (The Thug)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Far be it from me to attempt to coax the lot of you over to alt.magick! :>

Oh, I spend plenty of time over there, but I find most of what I read there is
just a waste of time to me. Ceremonial magick is inherently antithetical to
my understanding of the world, and other aspects of magick rarely get
discussed.

--Semhaza (The Antichrist)
"I don't care for heaven
 So don't you look for me to cry
 And I will burn in hell
 From the day I die"
	--Diamondhead, "The Prince"
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: What is Satanism?
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:57:15 GMT

In article <18ule2INN4e3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman) writes:
>
>	Satanism is the worship of self.  Satanist's holliest (If
>you will) holiday is their own birthday.  Satanism is a relativley
>recent rebellion against classic Christian philosophy.  Satanism
>is a religion with no real philosiphical history or serious ideas,
>other than some occasional skinned dogs and people.  Satanism is
>a fascinatin waste of time.
I like the use of the 'word' holliest. I'd like to assert that
juniper is a more appropriate plant in this context.

Now more seriously. You aren't paying attention to what people are
saying here. The fact that you don't grasp the philosphical and historical
bases for Satanism does not mean that it has no real philosophical history 
or serious ideas. What it does mean, in this case, is that you are 
ignorant.

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: find lives revisited
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:10:50 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <65862@cup.portal.com>, Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
> Yo.
> 
> This is the type of thread I've seen over and over and over and over
> in this newsgroup.  I'm still trying to figure out whey people respond
> to ignorant flamebaiters.  Once in a while I'll add this suggestion:
> Ignore the ignorant.  They'll get bored and go away or get curious and
> ask serious questions.  When this type of thread is the most numerous 
> found in a newsgroup, what does that say about its regular contributors?
> 
> 
> Thyagi  (The Thug)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> No, I rarely get around to alt.satanism.  If you want contact, email me.

The reason we respond is because it sometimes gets boring here and it's
something to do. However, I think the current discussion with dart, locklin,
and evan has gotten entirely out of hand. And to think I was excited when I saw
how many new posts this group had tonight!

Yes, this group is morbid (look it up in the dictionary, if you don't know the
usage), and we do a lot of mental masturbating, but I'm not gonna give it up...

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Self?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:49:30 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <92258.151817WJS112@psuvm.psu.edu> WJS112@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>We put up with these "silly people " for a number of reasons. Besides, who
>else would we poke fun at.  Just because you do not think the world is going
>well does not mean that the time is right for the world to end.  A world that
>is perfect is not a world in which you can grow in.

The world has been getting worse & worse lately because of the stirrings of the
old ones. The situation will continue to decay untill the final Cataclysm.

>Stars and things of such can be tricky. Old ideas sometimes have to be changed
>in order to be correct. Look at astrology for example. Even to this day, they
>use constellations that are not even correct. Many magick books have seals that
>are so old that they are not correct anymore. And so on, the story goes.

Hmmm, sounds like a quantum theory of magick I read about in a short story.

>to tell me that I am wrong in this matter.  also, I hardly think that one
>individual can open all of the gates,seals, use patterns correctly, etc. that
>will result in the end of the world, especially if someone else knows what you
>are attempting to do and blocks you from doing it.  However, it could become
>interesting if a group tried it, but again, i think they would fail. Then again

Words of power aren't what meets the eye. The vulgar magick we see in various
ancient grimoires has more to do with the organization of the mind of the
magus than with rousing an ancient alien intelligence from aeon long slumber.
This will be accomplished not only with group magickal works, but with
quantuum field theory and relativity. We must make great engines with which to
rouse leviathan.

yrs under the elder sign...

-Scott



Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: stringb@pell4l7.alleg.edu 
Subject: What is Satanism?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:01:24 GMT

	I am very interested in hearing about Satanism.  My  
parents(mother) were Christian so I was raised in the "proper Catholic  
manner" involving many boring classes where a group of kids sit around  
doing nothing because the parent "leading" the group knows less about the  
religion than the children. 
	I also read a little of the abridged version of the Satanic Bible,  
but I suspect it was abridged too much.
	My questions are:  what is Satanism and why do people choose the  
religion?  In my biased standpoint, I was taught that a person who  
worships Satan will go directly to Hell and as I see it, no one in their  
right mind would be a Satanist if this were a commonly held belief among  
them (either that or their view of Hell is radically different from the  
Christian one).  
	I am intrigued by this prejudiced religion that so many people  
hold in contempt, fear and misunderstand.  I would very much appreciate  
any information so that I can form at least a semi- informed opinion.
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: find lives revisited
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:14:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep9.121646.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>

Yo.

This is the type of thread I've seen over and over and over and over
in this newsgroup.  I'm still trying to figure out whey people respond
to ignorant flamebaiters.  Once in a while I'll add this suggestion:
Ignore the ignorant.  They'll get bored and go away or get curious and
ask serious questions.  When this type of thread is the most numerous 
found in a newsgroup, what does that say about its regular contributors?


Thyagi  (The Thug)
---------------------------------------------------------------
No, I rarely get around to alt.satanism.  If you want contact, email me.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: find lives revisited
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:24:35 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <65875@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:

>Response:
>
>
>On the other hand, I admire your diligence.  I am inspired to ask you,
>however, in the face of so much worthlessness, why bother?  And does

YAWN, another contributor to the general worthlessness. Some good FAQ
criticisms though. 
I use this group for
a) fun
b) communication with a group of like-minded individuals (however few they
might be)
c) access to and distribution of information of use to Satanists & Satanic 
types
d) typing practice
e) a mental break while working

>the lack of substance in most of these posts reflect a lack of substance
>in the Satanism of those who post here.  If you can't find anything of
>value to say, why bother saying it?   Can't you find anything more 
>exciting to do?  (not a crime if so)  

double yawn; every newsgroup has someone who says this. Since you admittedly
visit this group rarely, how do you know? I wish I could do more exiting
things, but am trapped untill I finish my thesis for my electrodynamics
class, which BTW is running :)
>
>I'm sorry, but I consistently get the impression that the majority of
>people who are regular posters to this newsgroup are frustrated Christians
>and rebellious teenagers.  (for more voluminous and sometimes more
>edifying posts of the same style, see alt.atheism)

Ahem. rebellious tennagers. I'd like to see some of your posts to alt.magick,
but don't feel like wading through all the garbage posted there. Different
philosophy (karma-bleauchhh!)

under the flashing sign...

-Scott



Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:06:56 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

(lots of B.S. deleted, like how Evan's purpose in these posts is to winn souls
so he can get brownie points with yaweh {note that he did not deny this
allegation})

>> 	**SCOTT** Shit, not this guy again. **
>
>Probably what was said...

close... actually,"what is this EEEEDIOT doing here again?"


>> pected it to on this guy, since he always makes an odd sort of sense  -- 
>> But that is the Work of the Devil!  i cannot listen....**
>
>Please...

Aha! a nerve was struck!

>> 	**SCOTT**Well, in case someone doesn't realize what he's up to, i better 
>> let out a general warning.  Besides, I get to flame. Hehhehheh**

you are a master mind reader...

>> 	**(Turns off CBN)**That's JUST NOT TRUE!  Not everything Pat Robertson
>> says is 100% Truth.  He's not Jesus or Paul!
>
>Sorry, never listen to Pat.  Also never watch CBN.  Have to talk to the local
>editor for the conservative newspaper for that.

I don't doubt this; I'm sure Evan makes it up as he goes along.

>> 	And he figured out that I'm not as old as I try to make myself seem...
>> he knows I go home for the summer...  I better lie to cover that up... after all,
>
>Sorry again, no lie, I don't go "home" for summer.  My home is around here.

Ahh, so you live with mom & dad all the time!

>> it's okay to lie in the name of GOD!  Not I have to evangelize.**
>
>Such trash you say.

Permute the "a" back one vowel and the "s" forward one consonant and you get
the actual word meant when he typed "trash"...

>> 	**SCOTT**Okay, lets fuck him up with my latest conspiracy -- Cthuluism!
>
>Kinda sounds like that.

Actually, I have learned from various masters that Evan is an acolyte of the
old ones. His endless preaching on this & other newsgroups is a secret plot
to sow disgust & hatred for christianity among the usenet community, thus
creating more followers for Cthulhu.

>> This should make him look at how dense he is .. no wait, he's an xtian.  Never,
>> mind, maybe I shold just gobble at him like a turkey.**
>
>Cute.
 
and highly effective.

>>>Is any of that for real?
>> 
>> 	**It's for Real, they are actually worshipping Cthulu again.  If GOD finds
>> out, he's gonna be MAD.  I'm gonna tell! .. wait, GOD knows ALL.  I guess that 
>> means he knows this, too.  I wonder if it's for real?**
>
>Must be.

of course its real, Evan. You are an unwitting part of it!

I especially enjoy your "kinder, gentler" approach. What happened to all that
"in Christs Love" bullshit? It made nice flame fodder. I suppose this way, you
sneakily leave out all the baloney, thus not scaring away potential converts
who are in possession of an operational cerebral cortex. I am stunned by your
artful subtlety.

ye servante of ye great olde ones (who stubbornly refuses to give up his 
obnoxious signature style, despite all the flak from Dartanlyng)

-Scott (Born-again flame-thrower)

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Evan Marshall
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Keywords: idiot christian is back
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:42:21 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep9.123045.6593@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
>are still no satanists on it.  Just nasty atheists.  If you worship yourself
>(the opposite of the Christian denial of yourself), I would agree that it is
>"of the devil", but clearly not real satanism.
>
>Evan Marshall
>
Well, with school back in session our old friend Evan is back with his funny
little worldview. Sure is refreshing to hear from someone whos entire world-
view is shaped by television & a quaint translation of an outdated hebrew
greek & aramaic manuscript. (as if we don't hear from enough of these idiots
every day)

BTW Evan, I worship Great Cthulhu! Soon the great old ones will rise from their
aeon-long slumber to wreak joyous havok upon the earth! We must accept Cthulhu
as our master to be spared in the upcoming apocalypse! Through the use of the
ancient rites, handed down from the dawn of time, we can become allies to
the old gods. We will be rulers of the tattered remains of humanity the
old ones leave for our amusement!
IA PAN!
IA YOG SOTOTH!
IA CTHULHU!

ye servante of ye great olde ones...
-Scott (insane cackle here)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism