From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:31:57 GMT


In a previous article, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) says:

>Keywords: 
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>In article <138338@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>]In article <1992Oct7.022045.19106@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>]>To conspire with an enemy country during war is an act of a traitor.
>]>Bill Clinton may or may not have done this - he was more likely a
>]>"willing dupe" - but for him to protest the war IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY,
>]>and to travel to the capital of the main enemy, is, to say the
>]>least, very suspect. As a veteran of that period, I find it
>]>reprehensible and offensive.
>]
>]Do you think that anyone who was a tourist in Moscow in that period
>]is automatically ineligible to be president?  Because I don't believe
>
>I think any anti-war protest organizer who went to Moscow during that 
>period has the burden of proof on him to show that he did not cooperate
>with the Russians.

Incorrect.  The Constitution (you DO recommend supporting ALL of the 
constitution in your .sig, don't you?) clearly says "innocent until
proven guilty", and that the burdon of proof is on the accuser.
(the accusers, btw, have admitted that they have no "proof", just
supposition and "feelings".  Not acceptable in any court I'm familiar
with, unless you concider the House Committee on Un-American Affairs
a court...)


> If he is unwilling to try (and Clinton refuses to
>discuss the issue)

Clinton HAS discussed the issue.  He said he took a vacation.  So what?


>, then yes, he would be unfit to be president. For one
>thing, he could never get a high security clearance without explaining
>it adequately. Do we want someone as president who wouldn't even qualify
>for a secret or above security clearance? I know that I sure don't!

Oh, come, now.  The Constitution says the only qualifications to be the
president is having achieved 35 years of age, and being a non-naturalized
citizen.  I see nothing about the ability to attain a security clearence
as applies to presidental fitness.


>]there's any evidence that he actually "conspired" with the enemy, or
>]that he protested the war while he was there.  
>
>Agreed. THere's no evidence that he didn't, also.

I see.  So, we should scrap the constitution and jail any suspect who
has no evidence that he did no wrong.

For someone who calls for support of the constitution, you have an 
unerring ability to dismiss major parts of it...

>]
>]We all know about Dornan's long tirade on this subject.  What did he say?
>]He went through a long chain of evidence to show that Clinton was in
>]Moscow in the period in question.  Nobody disputes that!  Then he went
>]on to say that Clinton participated in treasonous activites while there.
>]When a reporter asked him what evidence he had for that, he said,
>]essentially, that it was entirely speculation.
>]
>Well, I don't particularly like Dornan's style, but he did NOT say that
>Clinton participated in treasonous activities, he said it was likely
>that Clinton met the KGB there. Now, it was impossible to travel there
>at that time without meeting the KGB, since all Intourist people reported
>to the KGB, so he is technically correct. I doubt that Clinton conspired
>with the KGB there.... as I said before, he was probably just one of the
>thousands of americans unwittingly used by them. Their term was "useful
>fool."

Used HOW?

gain, you're convicting strictly on the basis of "probably" or "possibly"
or "maybe".

Very constitutional.

>
>
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