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From: hoesel@igc.ethz.ch (Frans van Hoesel)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.apl
Subject: Re: APL and IDL
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:54:46 GMT
Organization: University of Groningen, the Netherlands

In article <16946@umd5.umd.edu> jph@astro.umd.edu (J. Patrick Harrington) writes:
>
>  When I first looked at IDL (Interactive Data Language), which is becoming
>the language of choice among astronomers for data reduction and image processing
>tasks, I was struck by the similarity to features of APL. In the latest manual
>they make it quite explicit: From the "IDL User's Guide" Version 3.0, Sept 1992:
>
[removed]
>You see that  findgen <-> floating index generator <-> iota <-> i.
>
>It is interesting how the IDL developers acknowledge their debt to APL. The adoption
>of the ideas in APL is a good thing for users, but probably a bad thing for APL, as
>some of these features will no longer be unique to APL. Of course APL (and J) can
>do so much more, but the potential audience for the "more exotic" features is not
>as broad.
>		    
>							  Pat Harrington


so does my program for processing NMR data (it has been used extensively
in astronomy to, but not by many people)
My program started without any knowledge of apl. As my program is now in a
state where it is being rewritten completely, I did peek into J and APL
Some usefull things are there, but most of them were already present
in the language. 
Array processing is not exclusive for APL or J. Its a very useful concept
in all areas where data is mostly stored in arrays
(in case of NMR and astronomy: spectra)

-- frans


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Newsgroups: comp.lang.apl
From: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Subject: Re: Can't get to Reuters (was Bob Bernecky)
Reply-To: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Organization: Snake Island Research Inc, Toronto
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.151504.3767@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> dave@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Dave Weintraub) writes:
>(My apologies for wasting group bandwidth for this).
>Bob - I *cannot* get Email to anyone at Reuters;
{Me, too. rbe}

>it all gets "unknown file" errors.
>Please send me a 'phone number, and I wll call. 

I think Dave is trying to use rlogin or some other Internet magic.
yrloc is a Usenet node, and requires Real Mail, rather than 
SMPT or whatever he's using now. Perhaps LOC, the keeper of yrloc,
can help out here.
Bob




Robert Bernecky      rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.com  bernecky@itrchq.itrc.on.ca 
Snake Island Research Inc  (416) 368-6944   FAX: (416) 360-4694 
18 Fifth Street, Ward's Island
Toronto, Ontario M5J 2B9 
Canada
Newsgroups: comp.lang.apl
From: dave@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Dave Weintraub)
Subject: Bob Bernecky 
Reply-To: dave@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Dave Weintraub)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:15:04 GMT

(My apologies for wasting group bandwidth for this).
Bob - I *cannot* get Email to anyone at Reuters;
it all gets "unknown file" errors.
Please send me a 'phone number, and I wll call. 
dave

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.apl
From: sam@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Sirlin)
Subject: Re: APL and IDL
Originator: sam@kalessin
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:58:45 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.135643.9898@mr.med.ge.com>, gurr@newsparc6 (David Gurr 4-6989 MR Sys) writes:
|> I will have to dis-agree with the posters who feel that IDL and
|> Matlab are APL-like.  Beyond being able to do simple arithmetric
|> operations on arrays I see little resemblance.  If I remember
|> correctly they do not support arbitrary dimensioned arrays,
|> do not have cohearant support for empty arrays, have a strong
|> set of structural functions, etc.  Most importantly, in my
|> judgement, they lack operators.  A much more APL-like 
|> language is ScratchpadII, now named AXIOM.  For better or
|> worse, APL is still virtually unique, as far as I can tell.

You are right that APL, especially the operator concept, goes far
beyond Matlab. On the other hand, the simple ideas that were
implemented - interactive, with a workspace, not requiring silly
dimension statements, ability to deal with vectors and matrices "like
scalars," - togther with some innovations that I wish APL would have -
extremely easy extensibility (.m files), and relatively easy (or at
least possible) use of external routines (Fortran, C) (this is just
now possible in many APL systems these days but certainly isn't
settled yet)- have led it and its decendants to take over the controls
community. I miss the lack of operators, but for most people that
don't really want to program at all and are used to Fortran they seem
too strange and difficult. Even the "mundane" computing community seem
unenthused. 

-- 
Sam Sirlin
Jet Propulsion Laboratory         sam@kalessin.jpl.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: comp.lang.apl
From: gurr@newsparc6 (David Gurr 4-6989 MR Sys)
Subject: An Implementation of J
Keywords: J implementation interpreter 
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:03:54 GMT

For thoes of you who don't have a near by book store that carries
ISI publications, and are currious, here is the table of contents
to _An Implementation of J_ and a short excerpt from the intro.

An Implementation of J

0. Introduction

1. Interpreting a Sentence
   1.1 Word Formation
   1.2 Parsing
   1.3 Trains
   1.4 Name Resolution

2. Nouns
   2.1 Arrays
   2.2 Types
   2.3 Memory Management

3. Verbs
   3.1 Anatomy of a Verb
   3.2 Rank
   3.3 Atomic (Scalar) Verbs
   3.4 Obverse, Identities, and Variants
   3.5 Error Handling

4. Adverbs and Conjunctions

5. Representation
   5.1 Atomic Representation
   5.2 Display Representation
   5.3 String Representation
   5.4 Tree Representation

6. Display
   6.1 Numeric Display
   6.2 Boxed Display
   6.3 Formatted Display

7. Comparatives

8. Primitives

Appendices
   A. Incunabulum
   B. Program Files
   C. The LinkJ Interface
   D. Compiling
   E. Foreign Conjunction
   F. System Summary

Bibliography

Glossary and Index
------------------------------------------
>From the Introduction:

The book is organized along the lines of the dictionary.  Chapter 1
describes the interpretation of a sentence.  Chapters 2, 3, and 4 describe
nouns, verbs, and adverbs and conjunctions.  Chapter 5 presents
alternative representations.  Chapter 6 describes display. Chapter 7
describes comparisons.  Chapter 8, the final chapter, discusses each
primitive in detail.

The remainder of the book contains various useful bits.  In particular,
Appendix F (on the back cover) provides a means of quickly locating a
primitive in the program files, and the Glossary has a short description
on every non-local name in those files.


(I thank the author--Roger Hui--for his permission to post this.)

-David Gurr
gurr@mr.med.ge.com

(ps are there any amature APL/J implementors out there?)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.apl
From: ppetto@wariat.org (Peter J. Petto)
Subject: Empty Boxes as Null?
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:41:52 GMT

I'd been hoping that an empty box might be appropriately used to
represent a missing value in statistical calculations.  But I'm
getting some odd and unexpected results.  Here's a short example using
two vectors a and b -- the only difference is that b contains an
empty box in place of an average value.  Can anyone tell me why an
open empty box becomes 0 in this context, and why an open vector with
an empty box is of different rank than one without one?

My example:

      mean=. +/%#

      a
 +-+-+-+-+--+---+-+-+-+-+--+
 |3|4|5|8|12|6.4|3|4|5|8|12|
 +-+-+-+-+--+---+-+-+-+-+--+

      b
 +-+-+-+-+--++-+-+-+-+--+
 |3|4|5|8|12||3|4|5|8|12|
 +-+-+-+-+--++-+-+-+-+--+

      mean >a
 6.4

      mean >b
 5.81818

      >a
 3 4 5 8 12 6.4 3 4 5 8 12

      >b
  3
  4
  5
  8
 12
  0
  3
  4
  5
  8
 12

      $ >a
 11

      $ >b
 11 1

I'd appreciate any and all advice.

---
Peter Petto          |       ppetto@wariat.org
Bay Village, Ohio    |    73125.617@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.apl
From: zmola@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Carl Zmola)
Subject: Re: APL and IDL
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:40:44 GMT

sam@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Sirlin) writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.135643.9898@mr.med.ge.com>, gurr@newsparc6 (David Gurr 4-6989 MR Sys) writes:
>|> I will have to dis-agree with the posters who feel that IDL and
>|> Matlab are APL-like.  Beyond being able to do simple arithmetric
>|> operations on arrays I see little resemblance.  If I remember
>|> correctly they do not support arbitrary dimensioned arrays,
>|> do not have cohearant support for empty arrays, have a strong
>|> set of structural functions, etc.  Most importantly, in my
>|> judgement, they lack operators.  A much more APL-like 
>|> language is ScratchpadII, now named AXIOM.  For better or
>|> worse, APL is still virtually unique, as far as I can tell.

>You are right that APL, especially the operator concept, goes far
>beyond Matlab. On the other hand, the simple ideas that were

	Rececntly I have been using Mathematica, and have been
impressed by it's approach to operators.  Mathematica seems to 
have been influenced greatly by APL and Lisp ( a funny combination).
I personally like the "feel" of APL, but I can't ignore the
powerful built in functions which Mathematica has, especially
the built in graphics.  That is my one complaint about the APL's
I have worked on(APL2 and Dyalog): they are still in a mainframe 
mentality, in a workstation(PC) world.  

	
		Carl
		zmola@bert.eecs.uic.edu
From: lsc1047@dlscg3.dlsc.dla.mil (Daniel Helmer)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.asm370
Subject: HELP: key trapping in gwbasic
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:04:16 GMT
Organization: Defense Logistics Service Center, Battle Creek, MI

Does anyboy know how to trap the CTRL and BREAK keys in GWBASIC?

If you do please pass it on to me.

		Thanks,



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Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
From: Roger Hoover <rhoover@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: changes to pp for IBMR2
To: m3
Cc: rhoover@watson.ibm.com
X-External-Networks: yes
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:53:45 EST


There are a few changes needed to get pp (in the tools package)
to work under IBMR2, AIX 3.2

First, the y.tab.c, lex.yy.c files will not work.  You must make
the following changes and rerun "yacc Parse.yacc" (or bison -y)
and "lex Parse.lex" in pp/src.

The minor changes are:

diff -c 2.08/pp/src/Parse.lex pp/src/Parse.lex
*** 2.08/pp/src/Parse.lex       Thu Apr 23 21:12:11 1992
--- pp/src/Parse.lex    Thu Nov 12 12:32:49 1992
***************
*** 98,106 ****
  /* Make sure we have enough comment space allocated. */
  static AllocComments(n)
  {
      extern char *malloc();
      extern char *realloc();
!
      if (nCommentsAlloced == 0) {
        nCommentsAlloced = n+10;
        comments = (struct Comment *)
--- 98,107 ----
  /* Make sure we have enough comment space allocated. */
  static AllocComments(n)
  {
+ #ifndef _IBMR2
      extern char *malloc();
      extern char *realloc();
! #endif
      if (nCommentsAlloced == 0) {
        nCommentsAlloced = n+10;
        comments = (struct Comment *)

diff -c 2.08/pp/src/hash.h pp/src/hash.h
*** 2.08/pp/src/hash.h  Thu Dec 12 15:50:36 1991
--- pp/src/hash.h       Thu Nov 12 12:31:56 1992
***************
*** 195,200 ****
--- 195,203 ----
        return(NULL);
  }

+ #ifdef _IBMR2
+ extern void exit();
+ #endif
  void
  install(where)  PTRKEYWORDENTRY where;
  {
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
From: Roger Hoover <rhoover@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: generics that use generics
To: m3
Cc: rhoover@watson.ibm.com
X-External-Networks: yes
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:55:54 EST


I'd like to write a generic that extends another generic.  For
example, consider the generic List:

GENERIC INTERFACE List(El);

TYPE T <: REFANY;

PROCEDURE RemoveFirst(VAR l: T): El.T;
PROCEDURE InsertFirst(VAR l: T, x: El.T);

END List.

GENERIC MODULE List(El);

REVEAL
  T = BRANDED OBJECT
    el: El.T;
    next: T := NIL;
  END;

PROCEDURE RemoveFirst(VAR l: T): El.T =
VAR r: El.T;
BEGIN
  <*ASSERT l # NIL*>
  r := l.el
  l := l.next;
  RETURN r
END RemoveFirst;

PROCEDURE InsertFirst(VAR l: T, x: El.T) =
BEGIN
  l := NEW(T, el := x, next := l)
END InsertFirst;

END List.

I'd like to create a generic Stack that uses List:
GENERIC INTERFACE Stack(El);

TYPE T <: REFANY;

PROCEDURE Pop(VAR l: T): El.T;
PROCEDURE Push(VAR l: T, x: El.T);

END Stack.

Is there any way to write GENERIC MODULE Stack(El) using the
List.RemoveFirst procedure for Pop and ListInsertFirst for
Push?

roger
rhoover@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
From: michaelw@basser.cs.su.oz.au (Michael Wise)
Subject: M3 for MIPS boxes
Reply-To: michaelw@cs.su.oz.au (Michael Wise)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:58:12 GMT
Keywords:  MIPS, RISCos

We are currently running number of risc uniprocessors manufactured by MIPS,
typically MIPS 3030 running RISCos 4.52.  In the next while these will
be moved to RISCos 5.01, and the R3000 boxes will be replaced by R4000-based
systems.

Is there a version of Modula-3 for these systems? (Could you please also mail me
any responses.)

Thanks
MichaelW

Michael J. Wise
Basser Department of Computer Science, F09
Sydney University, N.S.W. 2006
Australia

Telephone:      +61 2 692 4156
Messages:       +61 2 692 3423
Facsimile:      +61 2 692 3838
Internet:       michaelw@cs.su.oz.au
UUCP.net:       {mcvax,nttlab,ukc,uunet}!munnari!karl.cs.su.oz.au!michaelw
ACS.net:        michaelw@cs.su.oz.au

--
"We have met the enemy, and they is us"
        - Pogo (Walt Kelly), 1970
From: brueni@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Dennis Brueni)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
Subject: Some dumb questions
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:18:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


Two easy questions for the gurus:

(1)  Is there a special term or phrase used to describe the first 
     argument of a procedure implementing an object method  
     (i.e., the "self" parameter)?  

(2)  Deconstructors.  I understand that they are not built in to the
     language.  If you have an object which needs extra work
     (besides deallocation) to occur before it is collected, what do
     you do?  

Thanks in advance,

-- 
--Dennis Brueni (N0JSQ)        "The knack to flying lies in learning 
  brueni@csgrad.cs.vt.edu       how to throw yourself at the ground 
  <Project_Envision>            and miss."  -- Douglas Adams
From: mhb
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
Subject: Re: Searching "m3bundle" to compile vbtkit
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:26:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ash.9211101826.AA00463
    from Geoff.Wyant@East.Sun.COM (Geoffrey Wyant - Sun BOS SunLabs)
    <9211101736.AA12904@gidney.East.Sun.COM>
To: m3, kuschke@skuld.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Michael Kuschke)
Cc: Geoff.Wyant@East.Sun.COM (Geoffrey Wyant - Sun BOS SunLabs)
X-Mts: smtp


Yes, the bundling machinery (i.e., m3bundle(1), Bundle.i3, Rsrc.i3) 
changed significantly just after 2.07 (or 2.08; I've forgotten). 
The current machinery is much simpler and more robust. 

Mixing code from different releases is a dicey proposition. Since 
we don't make that frequent releases, so there's a good chance that 
lots of stuff has changed between releases.
From: Geoff.Wyant@East.Sun.COM (Geoffrey Wyant - Sun BOS SunLabs)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
Subject: Searching "m3bundle" to compile vbtkit
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:36:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: gidney.9211101736.AA12904
To: kuschke@skuld.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Michael Kuschke)
Cc: m3

> Hello,
> 
> I'm new to the SRC modula-3 System, so excuse if i ask a question 
> that was asked hundred times before.
> 
> I just started compiling the SRC Modula-3 distribution (V2.07, 09
> in some parts). Everything worked ok, until I tried to compile the
> vbtkit. Here m3make complains the follwoing about m3bundle:
> 
> Make: Cannot load .../modula-3/dist/bin/m3bundle.  Stop.
> 
> I'v  successfully compiled and installed the boot Package, libm3, 
> X11R4, trestle, data, tools and tcl stuff.
> What have i missed ? What else need's to be installed first ?
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
>         Thanks in advance
>           -Michael
> 

In general, you don't want to mix and match between releases. I think the
way bindling works changed somewhat between the two releases. You'd be 
better off sticking with the 2.07 release until the official 2.09 release.

--geoff
From: dagenais@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Michel Dagenais)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
Subject: Rotated text in Trestle
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:06:35 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Canada


My understanding of Trestle/X11 is that one cannot paint rotated text
(e.g. the word DRAFT over a page at a 35 degree angle). Moreover, this
is simply not available as a primitive under X11. Here are the solutions i
can think of:

- read font bitmaps from the X11 server and perform bitmap rotation (not
very nice).

- ask directly to the X11R5 font server for rotated characters (i dont
think that font servers support this?!).

- have a postscript VBT which gives its screen area to a postscript
interpreter like GNU Ghostscript (using DPS kit is not an option for me
since i dont have Display PostScript).

- use my own fonts defined as Bezier Curves, such as the fonts available
with GNU fontutils (perhaps not too efficient if the VBT restarts from
Bezier Curves at each redisplay).

- open a pipe with GNU Ghostscript and have it generate the desired bitmaps
on the fly when a new character/size/angle is encountered, then use these 
as Trestle pixmaps.

Comments? Advices?

--
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Dept of Electrical and Computer Eng.
Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal		    tel: (514) 340-4029

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
From: Geoff.Wyant@East.Sun.COM (Geoffrey Wyant - Sun BOS SunLabs)
Subject: m3bundle in the SRC Modula-3 distribution
To: kuschke@skuld.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Cc: Geoff.Wyant@East.Sun.COM, mhb, m3
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:50:31 EST
Content-Length: 1336

> Maybe I should have been clearer when I worte that I've mixed stuff from
> version 2.07 and 2.09. My main goal is to compile the zeus algorithm-animation
> system which can be found on gatekeeper under /pub/DEC/Modula-3/test. Since
> this stuff is in 2.09 version only have two oportunitied:
>   1. Mix the official 2.07 release of the compiler and libaries and the 2.09
>      stuff unter festival92		or
>   2. use the "beta" release called 2.09 for all the stuff -- as far as it exist
> 
> So I first mixed 2.09er stuff under festival92 with the compiler and
> libaries of version 2.07. Since that doesn't worked -- the m3bundle 
> problem -- I recompiled the hole system again in the 2.09 version. Again it
> doesn't worked. It seems to me as if the bundle program isn't generated and
> installed if you just type "m3make -f m3makefile.... all install" for all 
> the stuff you think you need.

I think you have things left from the 2.07 'm3make' release. In particular, your
installed version of 'toplevel.tmpl' (in <installation dir>/lib/m3/toplevel.tmpl)
may be the one distributed with 2.07. This is the file that m3make uses to generate
makerules. Since bundling changed between the 2 releases the bundling rule in this
file changed as well. Try rebuilding and reinstalling the 2.09 m3make release.

Hop this helps !

--geoff
From: chevalet@imag.fr (Chevallet Jean-Pierre)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
Subject: Re: Speaking of m3tk  (was: Re: Extracting the subtype relation)
Date: 4 Nov 92 19:47:43 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <1992Oct18.203513.11615@alijku05.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> ddean@risc.uni-linz.ac.at writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.175550.12129@src.dec.com> mjordan@src.dec.com (Mick  
>Jordan) writes:
>> In article <9210131655.AA21177@gidney.East.Sun.COM>,  
>Geoff.Wyant@East.Sun.COM (Geoffrey Wyant - Sun BOS SunLabs) writes:
>> 
>> |> Why not use M3TK, the Modula-3 AST toolkit. This is one of the
[...]
>Modula-3 (a DECsystem 5000/240).  The machine has 2.8 GB of disk, but I  
>can't build m3tk because I run out of space in /tmp (on the root  
>partition, as per DEC factory installed Ultrix 4.2A).  I tried setting  
[...]

Just want to know, what is M3TK ?

NB : I'm SRC M3 compiler for treaching, for now I do appreaciate this
language.

-- 
CHEVALLET Jean-Pierre			chevalet@imag.imag.fr
LGI IMAG Bureau B305			chevalet@imag.UUCP
"Faire, et en faisant, se faire"
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
From: jredford@shearson.com (John Redford)
Subject: Openwindows dies
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:38:56 GMT



Could someone please help me with this:

 I have compiled SRC-Modula-3 versions 2.08 and 2.09 on a
 SPARCstation2 running 4.1.2. When ever I try to display any X
 programs written in M3 it crashes an openwin xnews server. I do not
 have this problem with an X11R5 server. I have tried dynamic & static
 linking against openwin's libX11.a, as well as X11R5's and X11R4's.
 Nothing helps. Any ideas are appreciated.


--
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jredford@shearson.com     | 5 cans of Scotchguard.
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3
From: Michael Kuschke <kuschke@skuld.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>
Subject: m3bundle in the SRC Modula-3 distribution
To: Geoff.Wyant@East.Sun.COM, mhb
Cc: m3
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:10:30 +0100

Hello,

first thanks for the fast answers.

Maybe I should have been clearer when I worte that I've mixed stuff from
version 2.07 and 2.09. My main goal is to compile the zeus algorithm-animation
system which can be found on gatekeeper under /pub/DEC/Modula-3/test. Since
this stuff is in 2.09 version only have two oportunitied:
  1. Mix the official 2.07 release of the compiler and libaries and the 2.09
     stuff unter festival92		or
  2. use the "beta" release called 2.09 for all the stuff -- as far as it exist

So I first mixed 2.09er stuff under festival92 with the compiler and
libaries of version 2.07. Since that doesn't worked -- the m3bundle 
problem -- I recompiled the hole system again in the 2.09 version. Again it
doesn't worked. It seems to me as if the bundle program isn't generated and
installed if you just type "m3make -f m3makefile.... all install" for all 
the stuff you think you need.

So maybe the question should be: "What version of m3bundle do I need to
compile the version of vbtkit I need to compile the zeus system and where
do I find this stuff ?"

	Again: Thanks,

	  -Mic


  Michael Kuschke                               e-mail: kuschke@urd.informatik\
  Computer Science Department - LS4                     .uni-dortmund.de
  University of Dortmund  
  D-4600 Dortmund 50,PO-Box 500500, Germany     voice:  +49 231 755 2676
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