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From: ertle@kira.uvm.edu The Sneaky Devil
Subject: Re: John Collum
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:52:22 GMT

In <1992Oct3.020721.2855@netcom.com> dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:

>rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:


>>I'm new to this group so please forgive me if this is a question which 
>>has been raised before (and yes I did read the FAQ).

>>Is John Cullum, the actor who plays Holling Vincoeur, the same one who 
>>appeared over 20 years ago in a tv spy series, can't remember the name but 
>>he (at least I think it was he) played the Russian sidekick, Illyia 
>>Kuriakin (sp), of an American named Napoleon Solo.  It was actually quite a 
>>good series, as I recall.  Anyone out there old enough to remember?

>>Emily 

>I don't know about that, but he was a Southern delegate in the
>1976 musical film "1776." He looked quite young and dapper.
>-- 
> Donna S. Lee // EC Technology // dslee@netcom.com


Personally, I have no idea what else he was/is in, except for the fact
that I'm pretty sure that I saw him in "Quantum Leap" a couple of days
ago as I was flippin through the channels.
    Anybody have confirmation of this?

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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: premiere
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:44:26 GMT

st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) writes:

>			And am I the only one who was oh-so-glad not to see
>Arthur the Bear among the ranks of the dead?
>			Rosaleen Dhu

-uh - maybe I'm out of line here (as I was mispelling P(i)rsig - thanks,
everybody 8) but -

	wouldn't Maggie have to _sleep_ with Arthur for him to wind up
dead?

	If so, Rosaleen, you aren't the _only_ one glad not to see Arthur
at the picnic. The Limestone County, Alabama, Committee on Public Morals
and Beastiality is probably pretty tickled, too ! 8-)

(see the smiley faces? this is a joke - please do not flame! thanks 8)

God, I love this show..
jim p.
-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov     
Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
***********         Would I rather be right, or happy?         ***********
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From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Subject: Re: NX: Satelite feed
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:48:53 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Last season it was on Satellite T1 (Telstar 301) Transponder/Channel
24 at 1000 EST.  I have not tried this season, but will tomorrow
morning. Over in Rec.Satellite someone said they found it last week
on Sunday Morning at 0400 (EST?) on T1/13. I will not get up
at 0400 too often, but if I do not find it tomorrow morning on T1 I
might just get up early Sunday to check and turn the VCR on!

Hope this helps.
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Subject: Northern Exposure in Israel
From: zevpeter@chen.bgu.ac.il (Bill Peter)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:12:34 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel
Originator: zevpeter@chen.bgu.ac.il


I just read the FAX to this newsgroup and noticed that Northern Exposure was mentioned
as being in England.  Well, it has been shown in Israel for the past year, first
on Saturday at 4:00 pm, and nowadays on Friday at 4:00 pm [Note these are not bad
timeslots like they would be in the USA, but admittedly still not on prime time.]

--
Bill Peter
Physics Department
Ben-Gurion University, Beersheva, Israel.
From: bob@yenta.alb.nm.us (Bob Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: changing the world
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:26:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf) writes:

>In article <1992Sep24.205440.15871@news.acns.nwu.edu> velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener) writes:

>   I'm not sure I understand you.  Are you saying Maggie doesn't appear tough
>   just because we don't see her flying her plane every week?  does she have to
>   be seen flying every week?  That makes no sense.  We know the plane's there;
>   we know that it's part of her job.  I don't see where my mother works every
>   day, but I know she does...

>It isn't an issue of Maggie being tough, or a male character being
>sensitive, or any other cast member acting in or out of gender-specific
>roles. It is an issue of the cast members developing a depth that lends
>the show its credibility.

>We see Joel treating folks in almost every episode. We see Holling
>tending bar and Shelly slinging hash in the Brick in almost every
>episode. We see Chris spinning records at KBHR in almost every
>episode.  We see almost every character plying their trade in almost
>every episode.  When was the last time you saw that trusty Cessna 170
>flying???

>I prefer the CHARACTERS on the show. CHARACTERS have lives that
>provide a background to the foreground of the current script. There
>are CHARACTERS managing Joel's office, running the general store, even
>working for the Alaska State Patrol and having babies somewhere out in
>Adam's realm.

>The best I can see, there is only one BIMBO on the show whose only
>purpose is to be female...  And it ain't Shelly...

>					Skip "Flamebait" Egdorf
>					hwe@lanl.gov

Well, it's true that we don't see Air O'Connell in action too much, but
on the other hand, as most of the action takes place in Cicely, it would
be difficult to show Maggie doing much except buzzing the place.  In many
episodes, Maggie does perform her groundside functions, delivering packages,
arranging to fly Cicilian X to Airstrip Y, etc.

Bob Knight
bob@yenta.alb.nm.us
Albuquerque, NM
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From: mhw@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Murphy)
Subject: Re: sex and death
Summary: I once condemned a boyfriend for being too overanalytical...oh well.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:55:33 GMT

 ljohanne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leila J Johannesen) writes:
>>From: velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener)

>Hey, that's really interesting. Even if the writers didn't intend the parallel,
>I think the dying boyfriends theme does connote a reversal of the sexual power
>order; it imbues Maggie with an Artemis-like influence that serves as a 
>warning to men that they cannot do with her as they like... I think
>you're right on the mark about it conveying the idea about many men 
>not being able to ``survive in Maggie's world, where she does what 
>she wants and fulfills her own desires...''
>I think this is one level (the `deepest') at which the character/situation 
>works. What's neat is that there are several levels that work 
>in thinking about Maggie's plight.

Right... another level being that Maggie is a harbinger of death.. which
brings up one portrayal of women in literature as witches or sorceresses...
>
>On the most superficial level, it's funny; that ALL of her 
>boyfriends would die and in such outrageous ways. 
>Of course, this wouldn't be funny in real life, but in the 
>magical realism world of Cicely, it's okay, life is 
>sort of a dream anyway. And in some sense they're not 
>really dead; they're in the spiritual realm, still 
>affecting the living in various ways or coming back as other 
>creatures (e.g. as Rick did).

I've always felt sorry for Maggie because of this "curse."  Whenever we break
up with an SO, there's always that peripheral chance that you'd get back
together, but by killing her boyfriends off, that chance will never come.  And
it's so hard starting over...
>
>At a slightly deeper level, Maggie's plight and the boyfriend delirium 
>reveals something about relationships and her. It seems she 
>needed to resolve things with her ex-es who left so 
>unexpectedly. She seems to feel guilty about it; that maybe she
>was selfish. There's a hint of insight into how one cycle of relationships 
>affects another; her father was distant, she longs for closeness,
>but maybe has trouble with relationships, and alas, always seems
>to be alone. 

I just want to add something more to this:  maybe the curse will be lifted
once Maggie comes to terms with her emotions and how she interacts with men on
an intimate level.  We know from her delirium that she's semi-conscious of her
faults; maybe by bettering those faults she'll be able to become her own
person and then have the ability to hold a relationship together.
>
>
>`hey, it's fun to be overanalytical',

this is the stuff essays are made of!

Michelle
(yes, it's Michelle.. I had my alias changed by the people at the computer
center because of a few people who were pestering me...)


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From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: changing the world
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:54:23 GMT

From article <1992Sep29.070204.10501@nas.nasa.gov>, by eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya):


>>>>Don't you think Maggie O'Connell is kind of tough and independent?
> I said:
>>>No.
> In article <1992Sep25.203039.25233@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
> smithrs@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SMITH  RANDALL SCOTT, the mad chemist) writes:
>>Care to elaborate your stance?
> Sure.
> Basically, my observation is that she has evolved into the kind of
> criticism which was attracted by thirtysomething: a kind of self-doubting,
> whiny character.  That was okay for Michael and Hope in the Mid-west
> (Peter Horton -- Gary was my favorite character in that series, and that was
> a series which I liked well enough to purchase the book with 7 scripts
> [for a friend who's a writer, but also for myself]).
> Maggie ain't Susan Butcher.
> 
> For me, it detracts from the show being in Alaska.  I think this is
> current formula-Hollywood.  This won't cut it one mile outside Fairbanks.
> You don't have to be macho/stoic, just tempered.  I like Eve, I liked
> Cicely and Rosalyn, "Shelley" does nothing for me.  Neither does
> Marilyn (cultural, that's okay).  Johanna Cassidy (remember her?) is on
> several marks as an Alaskan woman (very few), as was Maurice's neighbor.
> For me (going over Male characters): Chris is okay, kinda neat, can be a pain,
> Ed is kinda neat, Maurice is stereotypical, Joel I can do without (except
> in a medical emergency, but that's part of the point), Holling is too minor
> (quiet by subtle), Adam is too quirky, but fun, it really is the sum of
> their characters which appeals to me.
> 
> Consider this.  Hollywood is producing this show with a pretty close
> balance to a 50/50 M/F mix (varies from show, it's the limit which is close
> enough).  This is far from the case in Alaska.  It influences people.
> It was something five of us discussed outside Fairbanks while BBQing
> salmon and moose (one friend was just breaking up).  A lot of women move
> away because they don't want to live in such a harsh climate with
> "nothing to do."  You see the problem with independence conflicts with
> things having to do with "dependence."
> 

	Well, obviously we aren't talking about reality here.  I couldn't 
say whether or not Maggie is appropriate for Alaska, but I KNOW that 
Shelly is far to American (or something...) to be from Saskatoon, 
Saskatchewan.  Her accent is nothing like I've ever heard here, her
terminology is quite foreign to us, and she seems to come from a
completely different mindset from any of her generation in Saskatoon.
To be a typical "in" post-teen in Saskatoon, she'd have to look like she
just returned from a late '60s peace march (are they doing the '60s
throwback thing down there too?).  It doesn't bug me though, because 
Shelly is funny, and it's a good show.  Besides, we get a kick out of
hearing our city mentioned on a U.S. TV show...

Jules




 



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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: Labelling People
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:03:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.050737.3433@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

>I HOPE I didn't come across as a bigot or anything like that...

Too late.  If you announce "I disapprove of homosexuality" and declare
discussion of people's sexual preferences off-limits, you have placed
yourself pretty securely as a bigot.

Jon Alan Conrad
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From: z8tah@zohar.gsfc.nasa.gov (Theresa A. Held)
Subject: Re: The opener
Reply-To: z8tah@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:08:13 GMT


> Joel should get an award next year for the single greatest line he's
> had to date:  Maggie.  I'm gonna unzip your pants and pull them down.
> Now don't go getting yourself all excited.

Interesting but I thought he said ..." I'll try not to get excited." 

What did other people hear?
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From: s0319198@let.rug.nl (E.B. Meijerink)
Subject: NX on dutch TV
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:37:22 GMT

an anyone explain to me why Northen Exposure isn't on Dutch television? The 
series is loeade with emmy's, but all we get is St. Elsewhere reruns. It's 
just not fair!
 
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From: mwmv@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Michael Mogensen-Vermillion)
Subject: Re: replies to things
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:29:27 GMT

In article <1OCT199215083396@cc.utah.edu> pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.222617.22830@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes...
>{	3. She didn't sleep with Arthur the Bear? Or Chris? Damn. I owe my
>{brother a pack of peanut M&Ms. :(
>
>Don't go getting those M&M's yet...
>Actually, this is an interesting sidelight. I have a copy of the "Wake-Up Call" 
>script (the final version) and there is a scene with Maggie & Arthur where they 
>hop in the sack--however, this must have been left on the editing room floor. 
>Don't ask me why. Maybe CBS was afraid that the moral majority would scream 
>bestiality or something. Just a thought--

I think that the soft fadeout of the two of them dancing was
deliberately intended as a method of allowing each viewer to decide for
themself whether they did or did not sleep with each other. (Lord I hate
that vanilla euphimism, but a tasteful alternative fails me at the moment :-)

My personal interpretation at the time was that they did.  Before I 
get accused of suspecting Maggie of deviant sexual behavior, I am 
quite sure that at the time of their . . . coupling (damn, almost), 
Arthur was every bit as human as he was when they were only dancing.

Although as someone has pointed out, Arthur wasn't at the picnic. I have
two possible explanatons:

1. Maggie and Arthur never had sex. (blunt, but direct)

2. Arthur was left out of the picnic for the same reason that the degree
of intimacy in their realtion was originally left ambiguous.  So that
people who would be offended by such a degree of intimacy would not be 
forced to conclude that this intimacy had in fact occured.  This would
be consistent with the show's philosophy that the distinction between
what's real and what isn't is largely a matter of what you want to be
real and what you don't.

Well, this dead horse seems to have learned his lesson.  On to the next 
beating.
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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: The opener
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 03:42:08 GMT

velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener) writes:

>>What did other people hear?
>"Try not to get turned on."

Put me down for this one two.  I'm CERTAIN that's what he said.

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
From: lxrosser@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Rosser)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Where is the Town of Cicely in Alaska?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 18:15:36 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes:

>In article <1992Sep24.203432.1588@news.nd.edu>, jwalpe@bashful.helios.nd.edu (Court Walpe) writes:
>|> Yes, there is such a place as Sleetmute.  If I remember correctly,
>|> it is west northwest of Anchorage.  I have no idea how far from Anchorage
>|> though.  I also seem to remember Maurice saying something about the province
>|> or county that Cicely was in.  Anyone else remember this?

>Unless my memory is failing me (and it very well could be ;-) I believe that
>it is "Arrowhead County".  This is stated in the "Screaming Trees" episode.
>I believe that it's mentioned several times:  Maurice mentions it during his
>tirade about the local newspaper.  Chris mentions it at the end of the episode
>when he's on the air.

>Anyone with a better memory than mine remember?

Yes...Chris announces that KBHR is the voice of the Borough of Arrowhead
County. An Alaskan friend of mine assures me that there is no such Borough
or County in Alaska....

-Alex Rosser
 lxrosser@suncco.caltech.edu
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From: pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN)
Subject: Re: One more time- Who did Toy Cows?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: cows, toy
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 26 Sep 1992 10:02 MST  

In article <1992Sep26.081118.24010@wixer.cactus.org>, guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery) writes...
{Ok, well there's no way it's The Might Be Giants, period.
{ 
{From what I've heard on the net, that song is by Miriam Makeba. I found
{her CDs in the world music - African subsection of the CD store, I
{looked at all of her CDs they had, and I didn't find a song called "Toy
{Cows" on any of them, so while I still believe the person who said it
{was her... I am now unsure if the song is really called "Toy Cows in
{Africa" and if it IS called that, then what's the name of the album it's
{on? If we dont find out here, maybe we can cross post this to a group
{that would know.
{ 
{ 
{jam
{-- 
{==============================================================================
{Jennifer Mery |
{Austin, Texas | guppy@wixer.catus.org
Okay!

Toy Cows fanatics, PAY ATTENTION.
The address for the music notes for the show is:
Martin Bruestle, Associate Producer
Pipeline Productions (or Northern Exposure Music Notes)
3000 Olympic Boulevard, Suite 2575
Santa Monica California 90404

However--you need to have the AIR DATE of the show you are looking for. The 
show that "Toy Cows" or WHATEVER was played was "It Happened in Juneau" which  
was run in April or May.  You might get a response faster if you address your 
letter to "Northern Exposure Music Notes" than to Bruestle who is the music 
guy. 

Good LUCK--

Heather Jarman




{==============================================================================
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: A question about bears...
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:37:09 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service


Just a quick note on the discussion on bears.  Eugene Miya, who's been
involved in this thread is the unofficial (Official?) keeper of the
FAQ list in rec.backcountry -- where bears are often discussed.  Just
thought those of you who do not read the latter group might want to
know and evaluate his comments in that context.

-- Ernest
-- 
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From: dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee)
Subject: Re: John Collum
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:07:21 GMT

rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:


>I'm new to this group so please forgive me if this is a question which 
>has been raised before (and yes I did read the FAQ).

>Is John Cullum, the actor who plays Holling Vincoeur, the same one who 
>appeared over 20 years ago in a tv spy series, can't remember the name but 
>he (at least I think it was he) played the Russian sidekick, Illyia 
>Kuriakin (sp), of an American named Napoleon Solo.  It was actually quite a 
>good series, as I recall.  Anyone out there old enough to remember?

>Emily 

I don't know about that, but he was a Southern delegate in the
1976 musical film "1776." He looked quite young and dapper.
-- 
 Donna S. Lee // EC Technology // dslee@netcom.com
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Ed!
Summary: Ed--Spock-like
Keywords: Ed, Spock
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:41:00 GMT
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Organization: Universite de Montreal

All right folks, time to start a new thread, this one is so off beat that it
will either die a quick painless death, or linger on for a few days.

I was just sitting around watching a rerun of Star Trek, when it suddenly
hit me:  Ed reminds me of Mr. Spock.

I mean this both physically as well as intellectually-psychologically.

First of all, the Physical resemblance:  The shiny black hair, extremely skinny,
he looks somewhat out of place, kind of like an Indian Joey Ramone, and then theeyes and the expressions, which are very limited, just like Spock.  Secondly,
Ed is of mixed heritage, part-white, part Indian (a blue-eyed Indian kid, very 
curious indeed).  He seems to be slightly out of place in both cultures.  On theone hand, he aspires to be the next Woody Allen, on the other, he is seeking outhis Indian roots.

Psychologically and intellectually, Ed is a lot like Mr. Spock.  He possesses a
philosophy and a wisdom that are unique: a  melding of Indian lore and knowledgeof the wilderness with an understanding of mass-media and visual culture.  Just like Spock, he is trying to forge his identity, immersed in the White man's world, he possesses the knowledge of an ancient, mystical philosophy and culture
(much like Spock's vulcan culture).  Like Spock, he is rather innocent, while
Spock is incapable of deception and lying, Ed is naive and sometimes likely to get taken.  Like Spock also, he has not learned to deal with his emotions and cancome off strangely, almost alien-like to those around him.  And like Spock, he is tuned into something that those around him cannot always grasp and may find odd.

Like I said, these are just observations, I watch Star Trek, but I am far from
being a Trekkie, and perhaps the fact that I am nervous about a job interview
tomorrow is making my mind play strange tricks on me.

Chris Tsirbas
_______________________________
It's starting to get cold up here in Montreal,
They say it might snow tonight.  Sounds like
Alaska to me.  (Usually we don't see the first
flakes until the first week of November)
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From: GUEST7@ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu (GUEST7)
Subject: Re: John Collum
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:20:27 GMT

Ahh, but the best part John Collum had prior to NEXP was as the sports
annonucer in the movie "Slapshot" which also starred Paul Newman.  He's
wears some outrageous plaid sport coats and has a great scene where he
loses his hairpiece in a fight with one of the hockey players.
From: km2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenneth E. Mohnkern)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Who died of what?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:46:05 GMT
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


In light of the last episode, could someone please post a list of
Maggie's late boyfriends and causes of their demises?

I know I've seen it before...
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