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From: Dino.Ciccone@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Dino Ciccone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Summary: I think not
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:14:08 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <rs5flINNvv@lisa.cs.widener.edu> poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil Poole) writes:
>
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>
>What about Colossus' brother Mikhail.  He is still living in the
>Mansion right...and his power is to release energy right.
>
>
>So, wouldn't that be a likely person after all he is already inside
>the Mansions Defenses...and who knows for sure if he is the brother
>we've seen other imposters....etc.
>
I disagree with this since we know that in the upcoming Xmen he is to fight  
for the leadership of the Morlocks or something like that.  Previews #4
clearly states that he is his brother and it does say that he is some sort
of mystery but why would they go thru the whole storyline and bring back
someone from another dimension if it wasn't his brother.
	
	Everyone seems to forget that when the phoenix came from the other

time she changed the time here.  The things that were supposed to happen 
never did now that Bishop the thing that were supposed to happen in his
time line might not happen either.
	To say who the traitor is is just what marvel wants you to do so that
you 'll stick around long enough to find out I bet give a while and it will
slowly die out.
	As for this love traingle thing this getting rediculous
|Another thing off the top of my head doing it in a TK bubble if Jean was to do 
it in a Tk bubble and loose her concentration that would cause some problems
wouldn't it.  
Just my opinions on some things I've kept pretty quite.  I will probably
have more comments later

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From: bulloj@aix.rpi.edu ()
Subject: Re: DC: General Editorial plans for '92
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.230415.1591@HQ.Ileaf.COM> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes:
>JUSTICE LEAGUE TASK FORCE will be written by David Michelinie and will have
>only three regular characters; J'onn and Gypsy, and a career politician as
>coordinator. Other characters who may or may not be JLI members will
>appear, with a different team for each 3-4 issue arc/mission.
>
This could be good. It would definitely be a shame to let J'onn J'onnz
go to waste as a character, and having him in less of a team book may 
be good for character development. I also think it's a good idea to include
Gypsy -- she can turn invisible, right? So can J'onn - so I can see how
the "Task Force" idea could work, provided he doesn't turn into
some kind of agent for the good ol' U.S. of A. I also prefer to see
Gypsy working with J'onn rhther than hanginbg around in the lame-o
Conglomerate.

What else has David Micheline written? The name sounds familiar, but
I can't attach it to anything more specific...

Peace,
John Bullough
bulloj@rpi.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:49:50 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Deaths
 <bjm1.702857011@Ra.MsState.Edu> <1992Apr12.055536.29137@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

In article <1992Apr12.055536.29137@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(SCAVENGER) says:
>
>>
>>Yes, I've heard CM is coming back.  It's very unfortunate, because IMO,
>>_THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN MARVEL_ GN was an excellent story.  I hate to
>>see them "undo" this.
>>
>A good point of this is that IF CM comes back, it'll be in INF.WAR.
>Starlin is wrinting IF, Starlin wrote THE DEATH..., so if it is done,
>It'll at least be done right.

Uhhhhhh....after reading through (not buying,thank you verrah much) THE IN-
FINITY GAUNTLET,I have to wonder why you made this statement. That dead weight
of a mini-series had so much pretentiousness,it's a wonder that Bill "I
write more words in thought baloons than even Claremont does!" Mantlo wasn't
writing it instead...and if Marvel brings back CM,it just gives anti-Marvel
types like me further ammo for our claim that they're so greedy that they
won't even let an _effective_ dead character rest in peace if they can eke
a profit out of a revival,however stupid it might be.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 13:40:13 EDT
From: JUDITH R. BELSON <JRB128@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Voice your opinions!

         I'm always interested in looking at comics I may have overlooked
  and never bought and read through before, so give me your choices for Best
  UNDERRATED Comic That's Worth Making an Extra Trip to the Comic
  Shop to Buy. Also, explain why.

              ---Thank's to anyone who replies
                                        The Jimothy.
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:23:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>I am a faithful Groo follower, but I must say, at the risk of being flamed,
>that Groo is not what it once was.  It desperately needs to be revitalized
>or retired (...FWOOSH! the flames rise...)
>
>wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr)

not from me, oh fellow follower.

>I was hoping with the new format they might try something radical and
>new, but they just seem tired with the whole thing.  I like the black and
>white cartoons in the inside covers about the creative team, but I think
>the puzzles of last issue were just silly!  This is not a kiddy-comic!
>If Groo evolves towards being like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the 
>comic strip (in Newspapers), I'm getting off.

>I like old and tired and reused jokes as much as the next guy, but they're
>just not trying any more...

you're not kidding.  i thought the first expen$ive issue was flat,
and IMHO the next one (_The_Cult_) wasn't much better.

as for the puzzles, those of us with certain issues from Groo's
short-lived run with pacific comics own pages which can be cut up
to make little stand-up figures.  sergio remembers the long-lost days
when comics *were* fun that way, and he wants to instill that same
type of fun, now that he (apparently) has more control.
unfortunately i don't agree with him; he and mark have built a
strong following (well, karl and me at least :-) based upon the
"groo" character, and this audience is not well-suited for playthings.

i have them all (8 pacific, 1 eclipse, 89 epic, 1 graphic novel) but i'm afraid
i'm finally getting tired of it --- it's just not the same anymore.

p.s.  speaking of "graphic novels", what about _The_Life_Of_Groo_ already?
      geez, i ain't getting any younger!

ok
dpm
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: :SPOILERS : Disposable characters
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:55:22 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <QdskzbW00VpaJ=P11y@andrew.cmu.edu> js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Lee Smith) writes:
>> I think the issue after the issue where Shvaugh becomes a man. 
>Excuse me? EXCUSE ME!!!
>What in God's name is there justification for this?
>I'm really confused.

It has to do with fan suspicions that Element Lad is gay.  Paul Levitz decided
to falsify those suspicions by giving him a girlfriend (Shvaugn), so this
was invented in order to fix things up and make him at least bisexual....
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.185716.17967@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>How about this overused line: "I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I
>do best isn't very nice.  I have an adamantium-laced skeleton and claws and a
>mutant healing factor..."  This one's used more often than the psychic knife
>bit.


"Dorothy, I don't think we're in Kansas any more."
"Yum."

Describing one's own powers, however, is necessary simply to get the new
readers to know what's going on....
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: :SPOILERS : Disposable characters
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:38:52 GMT
Reply-To: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Apr9.055522.16897@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu>,
arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
|> In article <QdskzbW00VpaJ=P11y@andrew.cmu.edu> js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason
|> Lee Smith) writes:
|> >> I think the issue after the issue where Shvaugh becomes a man. 
|> >Excuse me? EXCUSE ME!!!
|> >What in God's name is there justification for this?
|> >I'm really confused.
|> 
|> It has to do with fan suspicions that Element Lad is gay.  Paul Levitz
|> decided
|> to falsify those suspicions by giving him a girlfriend (Shvaugn), so this
|> was invented in order to fix things up and make him at least bisexual....

"Invented," perhaps... but it was "invented" by Tom and Mary Bierbaum.

And, by the way, both Jim Shooter and Dave Cockrum are on record to the
effect that he *is* gay.
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Marveleone II
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:15:20 GMT
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One thing I would add would be to end the current way annuals are 
written.  If there is a story that covers more than one annual and
it holds up as a story, fine.  But no productized four-part annual
stories with a "big-concept" holding them together. 

	And the tiny back-up stories used to pad out the annuals have
to go too.
From: SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Starblaze: Wagner: Magebooks
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:57:33 GMT
Organization: Satellite -- Enjoy!.. -- EPFL Students pub
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <1992Apr12.024022.29161@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu writes:

> 
> Two questions about ancient history that were
>  probably raised + forgotten long ago:
> 
> Starblaze Graphics compiled Mage into three 
>  large graphic novels, covering issues 1-5,
>  6-11, + 12-15.  
> 
> 1) Why did they choose such odd breakpoints?
>  The story was written in four distinct parts,
>  very simply 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-15.  Why not
>  follow suit?
> 

	I guess that's a size problem. They had to do n-pages books and n
happened to be (number of pages in issues x 4).

> 2) Why does Starblaze use that "too wide to 
>  fit in a magazine bag" format for its GNs?
>  Lopping off just 1/4th inch from the side
>  margins would have been enough.

	Beats me. But it was cool anyway. Especially the "centerfold" in the
vol. 3.

> -- 
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> cs201329@umbc5.umbc.edu

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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re:  DC: General Editorial plans for '92
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:18:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.9204161718.AA09692

Tom Galloway (tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM) writes:

>ATOM [...] shrink to photonic size, go through a prism, and split
>into seven different colored Atoms

What, no invisible infra-red and ultra-violet Atoms?  What about an
infra-violet one (or was that ultra-red)?  B-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                             |     "That's an awfully suspicious looking bulge
Jim Drew                     | you have under your jacket, Mister..."  Rolfston
jrd@frame.com                | checked his notebook.  "Case comma Justin.  What
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | would you be concealing, hmm?"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     Case opened his jacket to reveal a can of
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | Jolt cola secured next to his empty holster.
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "I always keep one with me, Lieutenant.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Just in case."
                             |		Marc Lynx, "A Conventional Death"
From: alvalent@husc9.harvard.edu (Alvin Valentine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Capt. America the Movie Released
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:57:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr9.195751.10896
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


It was released, but only in Britain, maybe only in Britain on pay per view.

One of my friends saw it a year ago when he was in London.

Lee Valentine
From: v111m9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jack L Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: INFINITY GAUNTLET QUES.??
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  HI, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME POSTING ON THE BOARD SO DON'T MINE ME
  IF I MAKE A MISTAKE!!!

  I HAVEN'T BEEN KEEPING UP WITH COMICS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS NOW,
  AND WONDERED WHAT HAS HAPPEN TO THE MARVEL WORLD.

  HERE'S A QUESTIONS OR TWO:
               1) WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE INFINITY G. AFTER THE 
                  SERIES? TO WORLOCK??
               2) WHAT ABOUT THE SURFER? WHAT'S GOING WITH HIM??

                        THANKS IN ADVANCE. CONTACT AT:
                                      V111M9BF@UBVMSB.CC.BUFFALO.EDU

                                            -JACK
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: ZINE: Ciao! #5 wants submissions
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:32:49 GMT

Ciao! is a fan-published magazine dealing with the Comics Industry's
awareness and presentation of "issues" (use the term "political correctness"
if you must; I dislike the phrase).  Each issue features an interview with
a person in the comics industry (creator, publisher, etc.) whose work is noted
for dealing with "issues", or for being controversial (and an "issue" in its
own right).  Each issue also contains reviews of appropriate comic books,
articles about comics, and sometimes fiction and comic art.

Ciao! #5 will be published in late May or early June, and it will have a theme:
gay/Lesbian/bisexual "issues" in comics.  The core of the issue will be a
lengthy interview with out comics writer Andy Mangels (best known for his work
on the Nightmares on Elm Street comic, Andy is also the editor of Gay Comix),
with a cover by Roberta Gregory.

I am attempting to make this a nice thick issue [insert "size queen" joke
here], with a review of just about every comic I get my hands on with a
significant gay character in it.  And I'm looking for help.  Here are a few of
the comics I am looking to review:

Krauts #2		The Desert Peach	Fortune's Friends
Alpha Flight #106	Within Our Reach	Strange Looking Exile #3
Donelan collections	Plague			Strip AIDS, USA
The Guiding Hand	Tales of the Closet	Lesbian Contradtion #38
Real Girl		Gay Comix		Dragnett
Homozone 5		Zot! #34-36

(And, if I can get copies of them:
AARGH!			Shanda the Panda #1	Sex on Earth and Other Planets)

Also, articles on:

The Flash (the Pied Piper character)
Donald Wildmon in the comics (She-Hulk and Groo)
The Legion of Super-Heroes (Lightning Lass, Shrinking Violet, Element Lad)

If you are interested in contributing a review or article (on one of the
above comics, or something appropriate I haven't mentioned) to Ciao!, I would
love to hear from you.  Payment will be one contributor's copy per page.

Comic strip art, pin-up art, filler art, and comics-related fiction are also
welcome.

You by no means need to be a self-identifying gay, Lesbian, or bisexual person
for your submissions to be considered and accepted.  I encourage inclusiveness.

Deadline for submissions is May 15.  Submissions may be sent via e-mail to
"jrd@frame.com", or via surface mail to:

	Ciao!
	1093 Plaza Drive
	Sunnyvale, CA  94089

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                             |     "That's an awfully suspicious looking bulge
Jim Drew                     | you have under your jacket, Mister..."  Rolfston
jrd@frame.com                | checked his notebook.  "Case comma Justin.  What
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | would you be concealing, hmm?"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     Case opened his jacket to reveal a can of
B1h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | Jolt cola secured next to his empty holster.
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "I always keep one with me, Lieutenant.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Just in case."
                             |		Marc Lynx, "A Conventional Death"
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: Forgotten Heroes (was Re: Bob Newhart...)
Date: 13 Apr 1992 22:33:34 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr13.194658.29627@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston) writes:
>ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes:
>
>My candidates for a new Forgotten Heroes group:

[List deleted]

	Add Blue Devil, Katana, Halo, Huntress and Manhunter.
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From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Longshot
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:18:05 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


	I am a bit tired of people judging Longshot as a character from 
his time in the X-men. He just didn't work as well as a team character. 
With characters like Collosus, they had to exagerate LS's innocence in 
order to make it stand out. Before you judge Longshot, try reading the 
limited series; I really liked it.
----Marc Seebass (If life is a test, I hope it's graded on a curve.)
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:59:19 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.

The psychic knife: a demonstration of how wimpy I am these days, when I once
let loose and flash fried a guy for making improper advances.

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Thu Apr  9 11:59:16 WET DST 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: L.E.G.I.O.N.(was Re: Voice your opinions!)
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:36:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr9.013620.25466
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1950@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
> But before you run out to the store and put down a deposit
> for the next 12 issues, Alan Grant is leaving L.E.G.I.O.N.
> and Barry Kitson becomes scripter.
> 
> In general quality does down when an artist takes over a book
> and I can see some of threads Mr. Kitson has planted has a
> co-plotter.  I am expecting more and more strange aliens which we
> never see again.  I doubt he will be able to maintain the level
> of political entrigue.


Except for the early issues, I don't seem to recall much political  
intrigue under Grant.  I guess you could count the current(?) G'odd story,  
but I found it to be pretty lacking in subtlety.  Same for the Dragon Ra  
story (how many people believed that Lobo really defected?).

Don't get me wrong.  I really like LEGION.  In fact, whenever a new issue  
come out I'm always surprised just how much I like it.

The only examples that immediately come to mind of an artist turned writer  
ruining a book are the X-people, and I seem to recall reading that they  
forced their way into the writing.  Grant, from his letter, indicated that  
he likes Kitson as the choice for writer, so I can't see it being all bad.   
Besides, some of us like seeing strange aliens that don't turn into "major  
plot elements".

Unfortunately, Lobo will never be written correctly (he can only be  
written by Grant or Giffen or Grant/Giffen or else he's just a stupid  
sales booster).

Michael 
J. 
Winston
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:07:39 GMT

Jonathan Petersen (jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu) writes:

>Second, I doubt that Marvel realizes what's going on.  They probably see
>Gambit as only "agressive", not "harrassing".

Brings up the old pronunciation question:  "Bob Harras"

Is that "hair-iss" or "huh-rass"?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                             |     "That's an awfully suspicious looking bulge
Jim Drew                     | you have under your jacket, Mister..."  Rolfston
jrd@frame.com                | checked his notebook.  "Case comma Justin.  What
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | would you be concealing, hmm?"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     Case opened his jacket to reveal a can of
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | Jolt cola secured next to his empty holster.
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "I always keep one with me, Lieutenant.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Just in case."
                             |		Marc Lynx, "A Conventional Death"
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