From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Dr. John Roger Palmer Rabbit (was Re: HBM)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:59:34 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer):
>There are about 15 people in on this little game. Its getting kind of
>stale guys.....

(Paranoia strikes deep, doesn't it?)

Okay, John.  Was this article forged?

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= Path: tct!tscs!daver!vsi1!apple!usc!samsung!umich!sharkey!tygra!cat
= From: cat@tygra.ddmi.com (CAT-TALK Maint. Account)
= Newsgroups: alt.great.ass.wheaton.ctl,control
= Subject: newgroup alt.great.ass.wheaton
= Message-ID: <366@tygra.ddmi.com>
= Date: 3 Nov 90 01:40:08 GMT
= Control: newgroup alt.great.ass.wheaton
= Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Detroit, MI
= Lines: 6
= Approved: cat@tygra.ddmi.com
= 
= 
= Our customers have a RIGHT to this group too, and if anyone tries to delete
= it I will consider it to be an unlawful invasion of my system's data
= integrity and WILL talk to my lawyer to determine what can be done to
= the offender.
= 
= John "fuck a tree, world" Palmer
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How about <477@tygra.ddmi.com>, John?

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= " For the life of me, I don't understand why anybody would buy any
= " communication equipment or services from these turkeys.
= 
= Your statement borders on libel and slander, sir.
= 
= You will hear from our attorney.
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Do you claim <1991Feb3.053609.14945@tygra.UUCP>, John?

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= Path: tct!tscs!screamer!mthvax!news.miami.edu!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!umich!sharkey!tygra!jpp
= From: jpp@tygra.UUCP (John Palmer)
= Newsgroups: alt.tv.tiny-toon,talk.bizarre,alt.config
= Subject: ENOUGH - TIME FOR SOME ENFORCEMENT
= Message-ID: <1991Feb3.053609.14945@tygra.UUCP>
= Date: 3 Feb 91 05:36:09 GMT
= Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System, Detroit, MI
= Lines: 31
= Followups-To: alt.config
= 
= We've all had just about enough of this cross-posting to alt.tv.tiny-toon.
= 
= All of us are responsible for behaving on this anarchy called USENET. When
= assholes feel the need to cross-post to harass people, then its time for
= some action. 
= 
= From this day forward - ANY INAPPROPRIATE ARTICLES CROSSPOSTED TO 
= ALT.TV.TINY-TOONS will be cancelled and I will personally: 
= 
=   1> Send E-MAIL to the person cross-posting to the group and ask
=      them to stop.
= 
=   2> Contact both the sysop and sysop of the feed site of the person
=      crossposting to alt.tv.tiny-toon inappropriatly. 
= 
=  
= You may ask, "What gives you the right?"
= 
= Well, the net really does have administrators. Those of us individual 
= site administrators make up the the administration of the net and we
= have to do something. I will begin this undertaking but will stop if
= enough of my fellow system administrators tell me to.
= 
= Sorry for the nasties but some 2-year-olds out there need to be stopped.
= My users as well as the rest of the a.t.t-t readers are sick of this.
= 
= -- 
= =  CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Prototype Computer Conferencing System  =
= -  1-313-343-0800, 300/1200/2400/9600 baud, 8/N/1. New users use 'new'    - 
= =  as a login id.   <PC-PURSUITABLE!!> E-Mail Address: jpp@ddmi.com       =
= -           <<<Redistribution to GEnie PROHIBITED!!!>>>>                  -
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How about this cancellation, carrying through on the threat?

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= Control: cancel <NELSON.91Jan31121300@sun.clarkson.edu> 
= Newsgroups: alt.tv.tiny-toon 
= Path: clarkson!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!umich!sharkey!tygra!news 
= From: news@tygra.UUCP (USENET News Manager) 
= Subject: cancel <NELSON.91Jan31121300@sun.clarkson.edu> 
= Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System, Detroit, MI 
= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 91 06:41:14 GMT 
= Approved: news@tygra.UUCP 
= Message-ID: <1991Feb3.064114.16366@tygra.UUCP> 
=  
=  
= This article was cross-posted inappropriatly to alt.tv.tin-toon 
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(By the way, I have 36 more if you don't like that one.)

In all, I think K*nt Paul Dolan said it best:

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= From: xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan)
= Newsgroups: alt.config,news.admin,talk.bizarre,alt.tv.tiny-toon
= Subject: Re: bogus cancel messages
= Message-ID: <1991Feb4.211916.17314@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>
= Date: 4 Feb 91 21:19:16 GMT
= Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
= 
= thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:
= > cat@tygra.UUCP (CAT-TALK Maint. Account) writes:
= >> My local-canceller wasn't putting a Distribution: on them at all and
= >> some made it to my feed site. I didn't worry as it was supposed to
= >> ignore them since they didn't come from the originator of the article
= >> to be cancelled. [whoops - sorry everyone...]
= >
= > Are you really this stupid, or do you have someone helping you?
= 
= No, he's simply lying. First he threatened to cancel articles, then he
= canelled articles, then he sent gloating letters saying he'd cancelled
= articles, then he denied sending the letters, but they were reported by
= too many people, then he denied cancelling articles, saying it was all a
= bluff, then about three dozen cancel messages from his site with his
= name for articles from other authors at other sites, were displayed to
= the readers here, then he said yes he cancelled some articles, but only
= locally, then he pretended to be surprised that the cancels had escaped
= from his site and carried out the very thing he had threatened to do,
= then he blamed it all on his newsfeed.
= 
= Does this remind you of a certain John Palmer who was denied a chance to
= flood comp.newprod with advertising, forged authorizations on the
= articles, got in another big fight with the net, threatened to
= unmoderate a lot of newsgroups, issued newgroup messages for a lot of
= newsgroups changing their status to unmoderated, denied sending the
= messages, had a flock of control messages with his site as origin and
= him as sender displayed here for the readers, claimed to have written
= only local control messages, and then blamed the whole thing on his
= newsfeed, a few months back?
= 
= Me either, just thought I'd mention it in hopes it rang a bell for
= somebody.
= 
= Textual analysis ongoing in talk.bizarre suggests that "John Palmer",
= and the "Roger Rabbit/Randall" whose right to make unwanted crossposts
= he claims to be defending, are in fact the same person, a very, very
= disturbed person to have news administration privileges on a low
= security network.
= 
= Yanking the feed of ddmi.com would probably be a kindness, all
= considered.
= 
= Kent, the man from xanth.
= <xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>
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