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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: ineligible receiver question...
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Distribution: rsfp
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:08:41 GMT

Hi all,

Me again. I was reading a rule book last night, and:

        Passing play. Quarterback falls back into the pocket, linebacker piles
through a gap and tips the pass. Ball goes straight up in the air, to be
caught by an offensive lineman. Is this a penalty for ineligible receiver, or
is it OK, like a fumble recovery?

Later,

The Wisp.
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Rypien Finally Signed!
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:43:06 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes:

 >>Rypien is believed to have gotten an incentive package that includes
 >>an additional:
 >>    $10,000 for every victory he starts;
 >>   $100,000 for leading the NFL in quarterback rating, with increments
 >>                  down to $30,000 for 10th place
 >>    $60,000 for leading the NFC in quarterback rating, with increments
 >>                   down to $35,000 for fifth place
 >>   $125,000 for being starter in a Super Bowl victory
 >>   $100,000 for being the Super Bowl MVP
 >
 >So let's see.  16 wins = $160,000 plus $100,000 for leading NFL, plus
 >$60,000 for leading NFC, plus $125,000 for winning Super Bowl, plus
 >$100,000 for being the MVP adds up to $545,000.  So where are you wrong?

Remember that Rypien is believed to have received such an incentive
package.             ^^^^^^^^^^^

This incentive package is confidential to the public; only Rypien and
the Redskins management knows.

 >>    - The Redskins naturally are going to win the Super Bowl. :-)
 >>      Hence, Rypien gets $125,000.
 >
 >And who's the MVP?  Seriously though, I don't think there is any way
 >they are going to repeat.  I don't even see them winning the NFC east.
 >What have they done in the years after a Super Bowl victory before?
 >8-8? 9-7?

How the Redskins fared out after each Super Bowl years is not the point.
In all years that the Redskins won they had the biggest offensive line
in NFC; the Redskins' offense simply ran over everyone else.  Unfortunately,
following the Super Bowl years the Redskins had problems with injuries
to the offensive line.

The Redskins' season will depend on how the Redskins' offensive line
is doing.  Simmons (300 lb. tackle) has returned to playing status; 
Lachey 290 lb., All-Pro tackle) is holding out for more money; Bostic
(260 lb. center), Jacoby (310 lb. tackle), and Schlereth (285 lb. guard) 
are healthy so far.

If you remember, last season Jacoby started as a left guard, but was 
switched to tackle when Simmons got hurt.

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From: jc@raven.bu.edu (James F. Cameron)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Plan B, trap, draw...
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:36:54 GMT
Distribution: rsfp
Organization: What do you mean 'That *can't* be done????'
In-reply-to: csuah@warwick.ac.uk's message of 12 Aug 92 09:45:03 GMT

>>>>> "Da_Wisp" == ~WISP at CU~ <csuah@warwick.ac.uk> writes:

  Da_Wisp> Nntp-Posting-Host: lily

  Da_Wisp> I've been watching the NFL on Channel 4 for many years.
  Da_Wisp> Most of the basics are explained, and understood by me, but
  Da_Wisp> there are three terms I have never seen explained, nor
  Da_Wisp> found explanation for:

  Da_Wisp>         Plan B acquisition

Sorry, cannot help you there.  

  Da_Wisp>         Trap

In short, an offensive lineman "traps" or surprises a rushing
defensive player when he thought he had a chance to make a sack.

How this works is as follows:

(from offensive view point)

                  LIL RIL

          DTE   DT  NG  DT   DTE
           TE LT LG C RG RT         WR       
   WR               Q
                  2B 4B
                

Typical name of play:  Wide strong left, trap left

What happens is as follows: 

Left tight end takes man up on him (Defensive end) 
Left tackle slides by defensive tackle and takes left inside linebacker.
Left guard takes takes Nose guard.  
Center helps with Nose guard
**** Here's the clincher *****
Right guard "pulls" down the line and traps the onrushing left
   defensive tackle - This is the basic block which makes this a trap.
Right tackle takes the defensive end
The 2 back fills the position of the right guard and blocks the right
   defensive tackle
The Quarterback steps back, turns left, fakes the ball to the 2 back,
   turns back right, and gives an inside handoff to the 4 back
4 back takes a step to the right, than runs towards the hole created
   by the trapping guard.  Depending upon which way the guard blocks,
   he will go either more 3 hole or 1 hole.  


Now of course, the blocking scheme can and will be different depending
upon the offensive and defensive formations, but the play of the guard
or tackle pulling down the line is what makes a play a trap. 


  Da_Wisp>         Draw

This is a lot simpler actually.  Same formation as above, offensive
line blocks on rushing defensive players outwards.  Quarterback takes
2-4 steps back, shows pass and then hands off to one of his running
backs.  The concept of this play is to get the defensive linemen
thinking it is a pass so that they attempt to rush the quarterback.
This allows the running back to slide by the onrushing players and
make it into the defensive secondary untouched.  


Hope this helps!

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:33:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug18.133328.10026@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes...

>The 49er pass rush did little against the Washington starting OL,
>even though Lachey, "the best tackle in the League," was still holding out.
>The 49er pass rush didn't get going until the starters were pulled.  Then
>they did well against the "worst backup OL in the League."

I disagree with this statement.  The Packers have the worst backup OL 
in the league.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: todd@numep2.phys.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:14:00 GMT

In article <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes...
> 
>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.  There are some pretty bad ones out
>there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
>on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>think the worst is?

I have to agree with you on crowd noise (of course coming from Seattle, I
suppose I must).  The crowd has to be able to let it all out - this isn't
golf...  Another rule, though, that I would put up on the block is the
rule against post score celebrating.  Sure, one should be penalized for 
spiking the ball at someone, but that can be called unsportsmanlike 
conduct.  Let 'em dance a little!  Just as long as they don't delay the
game, it doesn't hurt anybody.  

tkp

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins News - 8/13/92
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:55:38 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center


The Washington Redskins' plane was delayed one hour; a flight attendant 
dumped chicken dinner on Mark Rypien; and the Redskins' bus from Gatwick 
Airport was stuck in traffic almost two hours.  Nevertheless, the Redskins
are in London.

Mark Rypiens said he never seriously considered the Toronto Argonauts' offer,
and that he wouldn't be happy there.  He told his agent, Ken Staninger, to
get the best deal he could, and then end it Tuesday morning.

Source: The Washington Post, August 13, 1992

  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -

Yes, Gary Clark was charged with vehicle theft last Tuesday afternoon.  He
was stopped for speeding shortly after 1 p.m.  He was driving in a 1992
Nissan Pathfinder on I-270 in Montgomery County, Maryland, and was stopped
on the southbound lanes north of Falls Road.  The Maryland State Police 
noticed that the vehicle serial number was altered, and after checking,
learned that the same vehicle was reported stolen in Virginia in January.
Clark then was charged with vehicle theft and possession of a vehicle with 
an altered serial number.

Clark was released on his own recognizance and flew to London with the 
Redskins team last Tuesday night.  He faces the charges when he returns
from London next week.

Clark said that he bought the Pathfinder from a friend and had not known
that it was stolen.  He said that he was now "out of truck" and "out of 
money."

Source: The Washington Post, August 12, 1992

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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Fri/Sat Results
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:28:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.035957.6063@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JONAX) writes:

>49ERS    20    Rams    14

Um, SF & LA didn't play this week.


>Oilers   33    Saints   3
>Redskins 27    Raiders 23
>Patriots 9     Lions   42
>Colts    0     Bengals 20  <---!!! Now this I was NOT expecting !!!!!!


Rams      16    Packers 13 (OT)
-- 
	Cockroaches would quickly become endangered if someone could
	find a commercial use for them. -- J. S. Shilling

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: BUCKLEY SIGNS!!!
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:20:26 GMT

In article <55796@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>
>Or maybe he's a lot smarter than you think. The Braves are paying him
>money to play a sport he admits he's much less interested in than
>football. If he does real well, he could get rich in baseball, if he
>does poorly, he still gets to keep the Braves money, and can still
>play football if/when he signs for huge money. He also has even more
>leverage with the Packers now, because after Jordan and Deion, and
>Dj Dozier and Bo, no football team is going to take the chance of
>ignoring the baseball threat even if the guy is as raw as Buckley is 
>(last year of baseball he was 0-5 at FSU).
>
>So essentially he's using the Braves and getting paid to do it, while
>he's not getting paid by the Packers.
>
>Sounds like a pretty smart guy to me.
>
  Wouldn't be too smart though if the Pack retracted its offer and he
  missed out on some big bonus bucks. Sure, it's doubtful that would
  happen, but if GB decided to be hardasses and let him give baseball
  a shot (which will probably never happen since 21-year-old "projects"
  rarely make the bigs, especially guys with his speed that hit only 
  .344 in high school and about .150 in college) he'd be out some big
  bucks at least for a year.

  I'm sure it will probably turn out alright for Terrell, but the baseball
  thing isn't giving him even an ounce of extra leverage. Everybody knows
  that in reality, he doesn't have much of a shot of playing major league
  baseball. Not for 3 or 4 years at the very least.

  --salty

>
>
>Russ Smith
>*******************************************************************************
>George-"When I was 13 I used to run barefoot under the sprinkler wearing
>an inner tube".
>
>Jerry- "Well girls mature faster than boys".
>
>Jerry Seinfeld and George on a 13 year old Olympic diver.
>******************************************************************************
>
>
>
>
From: taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MUSGRAVE SUCCESS W/NINERS
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:25:00 GMT
Organization: ISA GmbH, Stuttgart, FRG
X-Copyright: Nachdruck, auch auszugsweise, ohne schriftliche Einwilligung des Autors verboten.

patrick@sequent.com (Patrick Roddy) writes:
>I was told that Bill Musgrave, ex Oregon Duck QB, made quite an
>impression during his last appearance going 9-9, 2 TD's. Does it
>look like the NINERS will hang onto  him. I am sticking to my guns
>in saying that following Joe Montana through his early years and
>watching Bill at U of O, I see many, many similarities. If anyone
>down in the Bay area has some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.

I would, too.  Also, what are the prospects for Bill's little
brother Doug, who is, as far as I know, still hanging out in
Eugene?

Christian.
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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:05:29 GMT

In article <vamplew.714190846@probitas> vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) writes:
>I know this is a pretty stupid question, but I've never been able
>to get a decent answer to this. Why does the fullback stand in
>front of the halfback? 

  Because he is bigger and heavier and can't run as far as the HB :)

>
>What I mean is that the name seems confusing. It would make more sense
>to have the quarterback, then the halfback and then the fullback, right?
 
  I agree.


OK, all you FB's, the above comment was made in jest, don't try to pancake 
me!  :)

Tim.
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From: rjk@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas Cowboys Q & A
Date: 13 Aug 1992 13:52:33 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <1992Aug12.202502.29060@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
> 
>: with the world.  The quest for a #3 appears to be dead in Craig Kupp
>: (the 6'6" behemoth) unless they still have need of a signal shield on
>: the sidelines (ala last year).  The career of Jason Garrett needs help
>: as well, more help than his Cowboys scout father can provide.
>
>Actually, word around here is that Garrett will get the #3 job ahead
>of Kupp...  Kupp got no action vs. Miami, and I don't remember seeing
>him play against Houston either.  Didn't see the Miami game, but I
>thought Garrett looked fairly decent against the Oilers.

I think that Garrett might get the nod over Kupp also.  I don't 
remember how much I've seen of Craig, but what I saw of Garrett
was not bad.  I don't like the way he holds the ball up around
his head when he starts his throwing motion, but he appears to
have some leadership qualities and confidence.  Kupp looks like
a confused teenager on the sidelines sometimes.  But, like I said,
I don't remember seeing much of him in games.
I still wonder whether JJ is considering going with only 2 QBs to
start the season?


Ray   GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BILLS NEWS: MOSTLY BAD NEWS
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:16:47 GMT
Reply-To: awhitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa

In article <1992Aug20.151955.27574@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
|>   
|>   My two cents worth:
|> 
|> 
|>   1. TRADE OR RELEASE GALE GILBERT. The poor guy has been third string for
|>      all of his years at Buffalo. He is itching to go, anyway.
|> 
|>   2. SIGN BENNETT AND MCKELLAR!!!!!!!! (reasons stated above)
|> 
|>   3. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE REGULAR SEASON TO START!

     4. HELP ME FIND THE DAMN CAPS LOCK KEY!

Here's your change :-)

Cheers,
Alan Whitton

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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer news Ruettgers status
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:06:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095F455.96A23CA0
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

In article <1992Aug12.143308.5938@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>Kenny Ruettgers' agent has worked out a deal with the Raiders that 
>would send Ruettgers to LA.  The deal would send a veteran Raiders 
>player to GB.  I'd be surprized if the Raiders just spontaneously 
>offered what the Packers would consider fair compensation.  (If they 
>did they're not very good bargainers.)  Don't expect this deal to 
>happen.

Heard on this morning's news that Ruetgerrs has agreed to a 1 year deal
with the Packers. Terms were not disclosed.



   Player             1991  Asking   Offered
>-- ------------------ ----- -------  -------
>QB Mike Tomczak       $550K    ?        ?
>WR Perry Kemp         $375K    ?        ?    signed
>TE Jacke Harris       $125K    ?        ?
>OT Ken Ruettgers      $750K  $1.1 M     ?    signed
>OT Reggie Singletary  $170K    ?        ?
>G  Rich Moran         $675K    ?        ?
>DE Lester Archambeau  $90K     ?        ?    signed
>LB Brian Noble        $600K    ?        ?
>LB Brice Paup         $100K    ?        ?    i am not sure
>CB Terrell Buckley      NA   $2.3 M   $1.3 M
>

Jerry Holmes walked out of the camp yesterday, not over the contract
but upset with his own performance in the game against the Jets.
he is expected to return today.

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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Sources? (Was Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl)?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:16:25 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <1992Aug19.142844.23686@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day) writes:
>Rob
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Worst pickup line:
>Your bangs do a good job of covering up your lobotomy stitches.
>

Hey!!  I tried that and it worked!!!

BTW, shouldn't you quote the source from which it came??  I saw that in a
Calvin and Hobbes comic once.

Joel Alvstad

This has no place in r.s.f.p, but I don't care!!!
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From: eddie@acpy01.att.com (Eddie Adamko (CXNIXPT1))
Subject: Re: Schedule request
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:41:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.184800.965@cc.gatech.edu> shari@cc.gatech.edu writes:
>Could someone please email this year's schedule with EST times and dates of
>
>			Shari


ME TOO ;-)


Eddie


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From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Need Football Schedule
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:11:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com

In article 35863@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, ccarter@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Christopher Carter) writes:
>I need a copy of the San Francisco 49'ers 1992 schedule.  My father is a 
>big fan of theirs and is going nuts without it.


        49ers:

at Giants
vs Bills
at Jets
at Saints
vs Rams
at Patriots
vs Falcons
   open
at Cardinals
at Falcons
vs Saints
at Rams
vs Eagles
vs Dolphins
at Vikings
vs Buccaneers
vs Lions


Nate McConnell				|Undead:  MFL Coach of the Year 1991
nate.mcconnell@sun.com			|         NFF Central Champs '91
					|	  NFF East Champs '89 and '90
From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Other 49er stuff (was Re: Robbie Keen)
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:28:18 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

Looks like Robbie Keen will get one more reprieve. I read today that the
49ers have re-signed him since Cofer has the flu and is likely to miss
the Chargers game. So if Cofer is not well enough to play, and Keen has
a good game, who knows? I'm going to post this new information in a few
minutes.

Bob Marshall
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