From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Speaking of ass holes...
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:10:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Aug19.043355.12906@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:

# >Well, Michael, since you're not black ...
#
# You seem to have always found an EXTREME problem with this, haven't
# you?

I have no problem with your being white.  What I have a problem with
is your blanket stereotyping of whites, expressed as if you were
somehow exempt from the damning characteristics of "the white man."

I also find amusing your attempts to pass yourself off as black even
after you've openly admitted that you're not, as in:

# ># another bro and I

But moving on, ...

# Why don't you put me in your kill file w/all the rest of the angry
# young participants

I feel a certain obligation to fight white bigotry, and you are by far
the most bigoted white who has ever stuck his nose into s.c.a.a.  What
elevates you above people like Cooley and Hu (an honorary Aryan, I
guess) on this dimension is that at least they feel the need to cloak
their prejudice in elaborate pseudo-logic.  This makes them much more
of a challenge, and I immensely enjoyed disassembling John Wilber's
sand castles about a year ago.  You, on the other hand, make no
apologies for your ignorance -- it's right out there for all to see.

But why don't you just put me in *your* kill file, Michael?  That way
you can continue to post small-minded, divisive, racist garbage and I
can continue to pick it apart without hurting your feelings.

# Or, why don't you write me off as one of those unintelligent types
# that spells this country as "AmeriKKKA," as you've characterized
# people who persist in this expression of their feelings in another
# e-mail?

You made this one up, Michael, but you've repeated it to yourself so
many times that you've come to believe it.

# How about the time I told you about my co-workers who sat there
# wondering what it would be to "do" a secretary - who is Black - and
# you dismissed them a "rednecks"? Sorry, boy, but those ass holes
# were college educated, "reasonable" white men who would talk as if
# they were Gwen's best friend, then turn around and talk of her as
# if she were some mysterious sex animal that had to be "experienced"
# to believe.
#
# [...]
#
# Speaking of which, I was sitting w/some people yesterday and the
# one white woman was relating a story as to how her and her son went
# to the Children's Museum the other week. There was this Black man
# who was, by his sheer size, supposed to be able to pedal fast
# enough to create enough electricity from a generater to run a
# number of appliances. I don't think I'll be sitting with those
# fuckers any more.

Nor would I.  But these anecdotes have no more to do with "the white
man" or "typical white ignorance" than Willie Horton has to do with
"the black man."  I have never said that all whites are angels.  I
have said that you can't attribute any characteristics to racial or
ethnic groups.  You seem to be able to understand that with respect to
every group except whites. Therein lies your racism.

# >I assume you're saying that only white people are prejudiced against
# >disabled "white trash".
#
# Would you like to post a message or e-mail in which I've stated
# this? If not, shut the hell up.

How about

# You know, this question epitomizes your bigotry and perception
# based on stereo- types. I've spent everyday since high school
# showing white, middle-class suburbanites how a boy from my
# neighborhood can kick their asses in the academics

In another part of that posting you identified the "oppressed" as
black, "white trash," and disabled.  Your identification of
"oppressors" as middle-class whites indicates that you don't think
that blacks could be prejudiced against disabled people, for instance,
or for that matter, that disabled people could be racially biased.
Haven't you been reading Terrance Heath's postings about black
prejudice against gays?  Don't you watch In Living Color?

I don't clutter up my disk with your old postings, so I can't go back
and find all the places you've identified whites as the source of all
evil, but you can be sure I'll point it out next time you do it.

# Ever notice the relatively good relations I have w/the other
# non-Black members here on s.c.a.a.?  Maybe it's 'cause they don't
# tell my publicly and in private mail who I am and who I'm not. 

I don't care who you are.  I care what you say in public.

# I have an idea: let's change s.c.a.a. to a newsgroup which doesn't
# dis White people for offending Black people.  Of course, I want to
# make it very clear that it was just ignorance - no harm, no foul.
# Maybe I should excuse all the times this bull shit happens, eh,
# Johns?

Just how did you get through a math degree without being able to
distinguish a set from its members?

# And, yes, I realize in the above you're saying that Black people
# could NOT kick ass in the classrooms, because the  important
# distinction you are quick to make is *I* am not Black; it wouldn't
# make sense to you any other way.

You're babbling.

# Well, you, Carter, Cooley - you've managed to give a good showing.
# It only stands to reason that you find it necessary to get on my
# ass after I got on someone of your own, eh?

Is this English?

# >On the other hand, there's no problem in associating "white,
# >middle-class suburbanites" with bigotry, as you do so ineloquently,
# >but consistently.
#
# Ummm, excuse me; but, when did s.c.a.a. become "lets defend white
# people because they're just ignorant"?

Were these two paragraphs meant to be together, or was the file
mangled in transmission?

# Get it mother fucker??

# Of course, you're such an old fart that it explains why you
# exemplify that attitude.

# I can't swing a dead cat without running into this kind of shit.

# Well, take it then and shut the fuck up.

# Damn, you stupid.

You're just so eloquent, Michael.  I can hardly stand it.  It must be
those white genes.

David