Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:24:57 -0500 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Stein/Einsturzende Neubauten
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>> I've seen that Stein recording in the underground stores; but,
>> have hesitated on buying it because I've no idea what it's like.
>> Has anyone heard Stein's "Steinzeit" ?
>> 
>> Einsturzende Neubauten is NOT pop-industrial (e.g., NE, NIN, DW).
>> Einsturzende Neubauten is genuine Industrial (e.g., TG, SP, M).
>> So, listen to EN and you will be saved !
> 
>This kind of sillyness has gone on for an incredibly long time... why
>dont we just cut the bullshit and split this fucking group up already?
> 
>I propose rec.music.industrial.noise for what you guys xenophobically
>call "der blackenboarden fork scratchen".
> 
>Anyone wanna do this? Obviously shutting this group down wont work, tho
>its way out of line with the charter. (If we've already had this
>discussion, sorry I wasnt around, I was enjoying other parts of the
>internet, and my hardrive space requires that I dont keep RMI posts
>festering. You have _NO_IDEA_ how gorgeous moderated groups are.)

[Don't do it...don't respond...don't respond...]

I can't help myself.  Am I the only one who remembers when this group
used to be free off 'this kind of sillyness'?  Yes, strange as it may
seem, all varieties of 'industrial' can be discussed in a civil manner. 
How?  Well, gee, how about you just comment on things you like?  Instead
of railing somebody for posting about Nine Inch Nails, how about
responding to that inquiry about what SPK albums to buy?  Instead of
ripping into Nitzer Ebb, how about you provide a review of that Stein
album somebody was asking about?  Odd as it may sound, this actually was
occuring for a while.  Then that certain group of people that I will
refer to as the 'goober brigade' showed up.  This 'goober brigade' is
that group of people who jump all over a genre and then pretend like
they've been listening to it since the dawn of time.  Anybody who isn't
into their current favorite genre is obviously a 'poseur', and needs to
have their butts thoroughly kicked.  Normally these 'goobers' can be
successfully ignored for any given genre of music (the 'grunge' scene
seems to pretty much successfully ignore the 'goobers' who have of late
latched onto it).  However, the basic problem here is that the
definition of industrial has divided (look at the charter for this
group.  "The what?"  The charter...you know, the thing that says that
both 'traditional industrial' and 'dance industrial' are covered in this
group...).  So, the 'goobers' now have a convenient source of 'poseurs'
to rail against, causing endless flamewars.  With any luck, some other
genre will come to their attention and they will all go away.

The moral of the story?  Don't flame people for posting.  Simple, no? 
Go ahead and ridicule individual recordings...if you happen to think
that a certain album is a total piece of excrement, go ahead and say it
(but try to back it up).  Most of the noise in this group is generated
not by people posting about dance industrial, but by people whining
about people posting about dance industrial.  Think about it for a
minute.

Joshua Buergel - allroy@cmu.edu - jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial