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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sunday, 5 Apr 1992 23:30:21 EDT
From: <SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: ARTISTS: (Jim) Valentino

In article <kdrrMbO00VAx4Df5Mf@andrew.cmu.edu>, ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven M.
Stadnicki) says:
>
>Simple question: is Jim Valentino, the Marvel artist who is (apparently) one
>of the ones in the exodus to Image, the same Valentino fellow who did
>normalman and (at least) three brilliant (IMHO) issues of a self-titled
>autobiographical comic?  Seems like a rather odd direction for him to have
>gone, but...
>
Yes, it's him.  Fresh from Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy title
(The only title to sell itself on "What if... (insert name) was still
alive in the future" over and over again)
No, I don't know what happend to cause him to go from the cool comic
creators into the X-odus arti$t.  I hope he gets back to his roots soon.
Maybe a Captian Everything series?
                                  R I K
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Piranha comics editorial plans for '92
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 14:39:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.002928.18027@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> wesselak@sunb9.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:
>BTW, I hope Beautiful Stories plans to continue.  Any info?

Sorry.  #30 is the last; the boys are tired of it.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
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                                                                   -- J. Foster
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Subject: Re: Youngblood
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:59:35 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

In article <12087.29ed7b76@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, 
   balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> I just bought a copy of Youngblood #1.  I didn't mean to,
> I didn't really want to, but with all the hype and the book
> being delayed, and the supposed shortage I figured I might as well see 
> what it was all about.  It was not as bad as it could have been,
> not as good as it should have been.

I seem to be an exception around here in LIKING Liefield's X-Force work.
Sure, it's not anatomically correct, but that's traditional for comix.  At
least he's got hand sizes close to normal, compared to his first few Marvel
issues.

The art on Youngblood was fine, not earthshattering, but very good, with
perhaps a little garishness on the color.

The stories, if you can call them that, need a LOT of work.  Neither half-story
had enough characterization for me to even be able to keep track of character
names (I needed the roster on the inside cover constantly).  The only character
with more than the page-thickness of personality seems to be Psi-Fire.

However, there's no background, no flashback to what they're all doing there,
etc.  Some people call this 'mystery', I call it a lack of reason to keep
reading it.  I may pick up one or more two issues to see if it improves, but
I'm not holding my breath.

Joel Finkle

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From: maguire@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: Los Angeles Times, Leifeld, Malibu, and Youngblood
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:20:44 GMT

In article <2=zj2#l.jrs@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>Today's Los Angeles Times (4/15) has a fairly large story on Liefeld and 
>his Youngbloods comic. It talks a bit about Malibu and why Marvel talent
>defected. Evidently Youngblood #1 already is a big seller, and it's not 
>out until tomorrow. The article says that kids think Leifeld is "cool" 
>and that's why they're buying his stuff.
>-- 

It also mentions:

a.  Youngblood #1 will be out this Thursday.  No mention of polybags.

b.  The Melrose Ave. branch of Golden Apple will be hyping this like 
a movie premiere, with spotlights and shit like that.  Liefeld will be there
to sign books and give signed first day of issue certificates to the first
1,000 customers.

I plan to be just about anywhere else.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Maguire			No, not THAT Kevin Maguire.
maguire@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov	I'm a rocket scientist, not an artist
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From: driskill%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hank Driskill, GSH3D)
Subject: Best PAD
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:42:32 MDT
Organization: Grad Student From Hell (in 3D)
Distribution: usa

I haven't seen anyone mention this, so...

my vote for best PAD is his fill-in issue of Starman, where Starman and Valor
have a "misunderstanding".  It is still the funniest comic I've read...

Hank.
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:39:58 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>. . . I'd throw in my 0.02 worth.
>
>Then, I'll start getting talent back. Beg Walt Simonson to work for
>Marvel, offering him whatever title he wants. If he wants the FF back,
>then he can ignore all of the crap DeFalco was responsible for. 
>
>Arthur Adams, with a bounce-bounce-bounce address

YES! YES! YES! YES!  this is worth $1,000,000.00 alone.

>Fifth, I'd limit character exposure. No more than two comics for each
>team or character, and limit crossovers to two per year per group or
>character.

absolutely NO crossovers without the storyteller's *express* *approval*!

geez, arthur, you got my vote.

ok
dpm
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:59:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green) writes:

>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) speakith unto us:
>>rlawson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>
>>
>>>	Will someone who is going to be in the same city
>>>for two months please offer to be the poller for
>>>the rac.DC/rac.INDY/rac.MARVEL split.
>>
>>    I personally have no problem with running the RFD and CFV for a
>>rec.arts.comics split proposal. What we nedd to decide is this the way
>>we want to split the group? Do people want a DC, Marvel, Independant

>Don't forget rec.arts.comics.strips

    I wasn't forgetting anything; .marketplace and .strips have already
been created. What I was asking is do people feel that a company based
split is what we want? Personally I don't think that a split by company
is really what this group needs, perhaps some kind of split on genre
that focuses on things like superhero comics, horror comics, and
possibly a few others that I currently can't think of, along with the
creation of rec.arts.comics.misc to follow the general naming trend in
newsgroup hierarchies.

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From: William R Thompson <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Spider-Man
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:34:05 GMT

In article <16APR199212254805@venus.tamu.edu> you write:
>I'll pass on Frank Miller doing Spider-man.
>
>Just MHO.
>
>       -SPEED RACER-                    
>           Tracy      
>    Texas A&M University
>          WHOOP!!!!

BTW, what exactly is Frank Miller working on at the moment?  
I would like to see him return to Daredevil....

--The Rook
  <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

" 'Fortunately, time is on _our_ side.' "
       --The Doctor, _Planet of Evil_

" 'Usually I only entertain friends in the TARDIS.' "
       --The Doctor, _Planet of Evil_
From: smeagol@carina.unm.edu (Karl P.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:54:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.3h1j9tl
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Apr16.162410.6211@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>In <1992Apr13.180035.23655@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> crew@CS.Stanford.EDU (Roger Crew) writes:
>
>>  Delirium   Winona Ryder
>
>maybe if she could act a little better.  I could actually see her as death
>too, except she's so young.


     You are, of course, being very loose and free with your use of the word
 "better."  This would almost imply that she can act.  I think she's 
 attractive, but I would concider her more of a prop than an actual actress.

				---Kar-El (Last Surviving Son of Krapton)

    
-- 
????????????????????????????????  Bingo displays many traits which may be      
?   smeagol@carina.unm.edu     ?  interpreted as human.  Of course, it is  
?    Global Village Idiot      ?  unscientific to anthropomorphize a fifty-
????????????????????????????????  foot moon roach.  ---Sam (of Sam & Max)
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From: noaccess@wam.umd.edu (K.Y.L.e)
Subject: PEOPLE: Stan Sakai in Groo
Originator: noaccess@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Gate of Horn and Ivory
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:23:50 GMT

	I just got Groo #1 at a 25-cent sale at the local comics store about a
week or two ago. Didn't pay too much attention to the credits until last night
when I read that Stan Sakai was the letterer. Stan Sakai, the guy who does
Usagi Yojimbo, a letterer for Groo? Does everybody know about this? Did he do
the lettering in addition to creating whatever comics he was working at the
time or did he started out as a letterer?

	This brings me to ask, does anybody know any other comics writer, 
artist or writer/artist who used to work at other position in the industry?
Now I don't want any unimaginative answer like X writer/artist used to be an 
artist or Y writer used to be an editor (you can basically substitute any  
Marvel writer with Y). Post or e-mail are both equally welcomed.

P.S. Is the PEOPLE header appropriate for this thread? If not, will rac-ers
who are more experienced in this stuff correct it.


| K.Y.L.e                | "LOOK AT IT! No one harmed the bridge! No one      |
| University of Maryland |  damaged the bridge! No one soiled the bridge ...  |
|------------------------|  When Groo guards a bridge, Groo guards a bridge!" |
| noaccess@wam.umd.edu   |                                             - Groo |
-- 
| K.Y.L.e                | "LOOK AT IT! No one harmed the bridge! No one      |
| University of Maryland |  damaged the bridge! No one soiled the bridge ...  |
|------------------------|  When Groo guards a bridge, Groo guards a bridge!" |
| noaccess@wam.umd.edu   |                                             - Groo |
From: ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: re-read comics (was Re: New Titans 85 and 86)
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:50:48 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY


Rick Jones albert@bcm.tmc.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr1.204854.15097@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston) writes:
>>
>>How often do netters in general re-read their comics?  I ask because I
>
>Quite often.  Thanks to two visits to the quarter bins at cons,
>I have an almost complete run of All-Star Squadron, which I re-read.

Unfortunately, almost never, since my comics are on the opposite coast
(thank goodness for parents who allow "kids" to keep their outrageously
sized comic collections in their old rooms).  By the time I get home for
vacation, I forget the titles I wanted to reread, can't find them, or don't
have the time.  One of these days, when I'm settled down with a faculty
job, I'll haul the whole 3.5 ton mess back and reread favorites until 
my exhalations become four-color.

>Sigh.  I miss Earth-2.

Me too.  I thought Crisis was a great story, and could have been a great 
panacea, but it resulted in many of my favorite characters being exiled or
killed.  Maybe an Anti-Anti-Monitor will come back and threaten the universe with
parallel Earths (1/2 :-) ).

d-
 ___       
|\__\___               Derryl Dean DePriest     ddd@cvs.rochester.edu          
||  |\__\___     Neuroscience Graduate Program and Center for Visual Science  
|| D||  |\__\                      University of Rochester                     
\|__|| D||   \   
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:52:49 GMT

Isn't there already a really large Manga news group already on the net?  I know
there's the Anime one but I'm pretty sure that there's also a manga somewhere.

BTW can anyone tell me what fj.rec.arts.comics is for, I saw it and had no idea
what it was.

------SCAVENGER

-- 
If some unemployed punk in New Jersey, can     |kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu <-I.NET
get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Green Lantern: Mosaic
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:14:59 GMT

Oa, By the Way
	The new Green Lantern: Mosaic is out.  It could be a very
weird title.   John Stewart's personality seems to have been
redefined after his encounter with the mad Guardian.  The artwork
is reasonably well done.  It would have been a very dialogue
heavy story if the dialogue hadn't been so interesting.  If the
mood set in the first issue keeps up, this comic will appeal more
to the deMatteis Dr. Fate crowd than the Hal Jordan crowd.
      	
				Mark Balbes
				Dept. of Physics
				Ohio State University
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: dr.doom
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:55:27 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <cdsOAdq00awUMWDkZi@andrew.cmu.edu> cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes:
>*********************************
>Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name), when Dr. Doom appeared 
>in that new futuristic type armor, he suggested that ALL the appearances of
>Dr. Doom after Fantastic Four #5 were just robots, and that the real Doom
>hadn't appeared for almost 30 years.  And the amazing part is, this was
>BEFORE Tom "Alicia was really a Skrull when she married Johnny" DeFalco
>came by.  In fact, that was when Walt Simonson was on the book, if I 
>remember correctly.  Strange.
>*********************************
>
>Wrong. The appearances after #40 were robots except 259-260, 276-277,
>319, and 320. According to walt himself. he planned to elaborate on this
>but DeFalco naturally cut him off.

Looking back, I really should have said "ALMOST all the appearances were
robots," since the issue doesn't say that they ALL were.  My mistake.
Of course, nothing I've heard makes it clear which appearances were the
real Doom, and which were robots.  One would have to be the issue where his
body gets disintegrated while fighting Tyros (Terrax) and the Silver Surfer,
and another when the Beyonder restores his body.  Other than that, I'm not
sure.
From: mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Yes, Its Another Late Terman Reviews (Cerebus, Steed & Mrs. Peel)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:58:54 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr8.181325.3084@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>>Cerebus #156

>One thing which no one has mentioned, from the letter's page -- I think Sim
>implied that this particular storyline was going to go on until sometime in
>November, 1994 or 1995, I forget which.  Did I read that right?

Okay, Sim stated in an interview, that each of the following books will
bee an allegory for the corresponding book in the first half of the total
run. That is, this first part of Mothers and Daughters will be an allegory
for the original Cerebus run. Which means this sucker is going to run for
about twenty five issues or so, though Sim may be more flexible about the
length of each segment. So 1994 seems like a reasonable endpoint.


-- 
  Martin Terman, Mutant for Hire, Mad Scientist, Priest of Shub-Internet
mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu mfterman@pucc.bitnet terman@pupgga.princeton.edu
The above text is disclaimer challenged, flaming it isn't politically correct
      "I must be making progress, she's biting my leg." - Martin Terman
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Marvel Deaths
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:08:15 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Apr12.055536.29137@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:

+>>
+>>Yes, I've heard CM is coming back.  It's very unfortunate, because IMO,
+>>_THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN MARVEL_ GN was an excellent story.  I hate to 
+>>see them "undo" this.
+>>
+>A good point of this is that IF CM comes back, it'll be in INF.WAR.
+>Starlin is wrinting IF, Starlin wrote THE DEATH..., so if it is done,
+>It'll at least be done right.

	The Starlin who wrote the death of Captain Marvel does not bear
much resemblance to the starlin at Marvel now.  The starlin at Marvel
now has "sold out" completly....he is in it for the money.
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Anyone out there submit to publishers before?
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:40:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I'm an aspiring writer, and my friend (an artist) and I plan to submit to
independents this summer once our current idea is a little more complete.
Has anyone out there done the same?  Suggestions for specific companies?

Thanks...

-- 

+-| Paul M. Lewis |---------------------------------------+-- Looking for: --+
|'Never could be any other way.'            -The Beatles  | 6 Secs in Dallas |
|'You should be with us, feeling like we do -Perry Farrell|   by J. Thompson |
| like you love to, but never will again.'                | Cover Up         |
|'You never had the answers!'               -Ministry     |   by Gary Shaw   |
|'You can't be what you were.'              -Fugazi       | Zapruder 16mm    |
From: comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Who are Power Pack? (was Re: Powerpax)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:06:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Camosun College

>> Could someone give a summary of who Powerpax are and their 
>> powers? I know they are a bunch of siblings each with a  power
>> and that Franklin Richrds hangs out with them.
>> 
>> Once Ir ead a story with them and one of the kdis looked like
>> i horse???????
>> 
> 
> 	The thing with Alex being a horse-head was possibly *the* lamest  
> story I have ever seen in a comic.  It came right before the cancellation  
> of the Power Pack title, and I think it might have been retconned out in a  
> one-shot.  Can't recall.
> 
> 	Hope this helped somehow.
> 
> Mushroom
> 	(the last fan of Power Pack)

I got my sweaty little hands on the one shot a while back and I haven't 
reread it yet so forgive me my mistakes.

The Alex has "regained" his humanity (he never really lost it. If you want 
to know what happens by the Power Pack Holiday Special (?) and read it 
yourself) and the parents "regained" their sanity. Here's how the powers 
stand now.

Alex : Gravity power (increase/decrease effect of gravity on things he 
touches.)

Julie : Flight power

Jack : Mass power (mass dosen't change, instead he can control his volume. 
He can create "density bubbles" of compressed air and can cast some sort of 
force bolt.)

Katie : Energy power (dinitigrates matter/absorbs energy and throws it in 
the form of "power balls")


Fair Winds...

Scott.
"'Trekkie' is what non-Trekkers call Trekkers. This is done esp. to piss us 
off."
  	Me.
"...little blue-green planet whose ape desended lifeforms are so amazingly 
primative, they still think digital watches are a pritty neat idea."
  	The HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
From: stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:17:02 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Apr13.203956.29842@ms.uky.edu>, uk02700@nx05.mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french) writes:
> In article <1992Apr11.035053.18219@wam.umd.edu>  
> rudeboy@next00wor.wam.umd.edu (Darrell T. Blake) writes:
>> Is there any reason given why rogue can not control her powers?
>> Is it just a matter of mastering control or is her power just  
>> uncontrollable?
> 
> 	Her power has been uncontrollable from the first time it  
> manifested itself.  Xavier thought it could be controlled, which is why  
> she joined the School for Gifted Youngsters in the first place.  (Anybody  
> beside me remember that?  Rogue seems to have forgotten it....)  
> 
>> Is there anyone that her powers don't work on?
> 
> 	Well, Mephisto (in Mephisto Vs. -team of the month-).  Loki (in  
> the X-men/Alpha Flight L.S. -- great story).  It reacted weird with Magus.   
> I can't really think of anyone else, but I'm sure they're out there....

	I remember an X-Men issue, during the Inferno storyline, where 
Rogue tried to "absorb" the abilities of Archangel...it showed her kissing 
him and a looming picture of Apocolypse, in Archangel's fighting duds, in 
the background...the next thing you see is Archy slapping her and calling 
her a tramp...
	They never really explained why her powers didn't work on him, they 
just didn't...

	Wease


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