HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ju8025@fasolt.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: telephone connection (LONG)
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:22:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Nov5.152201.26742
Organization: State University of New York at Albany



>>In article <Nov03.163812.25496@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sharif@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Thomas Abdallah) writes:
>>
>>I heard that American phones sometimes cansend an impuls through the phone linewhich runs up your counter (Gebuehrenzaehler). Is this true, or is it just
>>Bundespost propaganda?
>>Stroucki!
>

Just propaganda. Some technical details: In germany phone fees are not counted
by the minute but by the unit. For one unit you can call a given time. Every
unit costs you about 25 Pfennig.

Now the German mail offers a special service. Whenever you use a unit, they
send you a signal. If you have a "unitcounter" included in your phone you
can easy keep track of the phone bill. But this signal has no influence on
your phone bill. The "real" counter is just sending this signal. Intern this
counter gets a special time signal from a central point. Your phoneline doesn't
interfere with this.

Therefore it is also not possible to stop the counter from your home phone by
filtering the unit-signal. Some people actually use filters for this signals
because they mess up modems (fax). The signal you get only if you ask for
(1 DM/ month).

bye, 

      Johannes.


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From: jhuang@futon.SFSU.EDU (Jason C. Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: (none)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:12:01 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: salmons@acuson.com (Dale Salmons)
Subject: Using US ATM Cards in Germany, Europe
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:19:52 GMT

I plan on traveling to German, Austria, and Switzerland next summer.

Friends have told me that one can use their
ATM cards from American Banks and withdraw money throughout 
England and perhaps other parts of Western Europe.  

Can I use my ATM card (Star Network) at Banks in Germany?
Do most German banks have ATM machines?
How does the currency exchange work with this?

Any info is greatly appreciated!

Danke shoen!
   Dale Salmons
   salmons@acuson.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: schwartz@ipc10 (Privataccount Roman Schwartz)
Subject: Staat und Religion ...
Organization: PPG Hellige, Freiburg, GERMANY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:20:31 GMT

Leute Ihr benutzt das Wort Religion meint aber Konfession. Da ist ein
himmelweiter Unterschied zwischen. 

--
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Ein lustiger Spruch! ...[kratzkratz].. wo nehme ich einen lustigen Spruch her? 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: dhey@mcs213d.cs.umr.edu (Dirk Heydtmann)
Subject: Re: Visa Lottery Results?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:55:13 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov4.211912.14265@informix.com> renz@informix.com (Renz Hoppe) writes:
>
>Hello -
>
>weiss jemand, ob die Ergebnisse der Green Card Lottery schon bekannt gegeben
>worden sind?
>
>Thanks!

Ich kenne jemanden, der vor ein paar Monaten seine Green Card in der
Lotterie gewonnen hat. Also scheinen die Gewinner schon benachrichtigt
worden zu sein. BTW, es gibt eine Newsgroup, die sich mit Visafragen
beschaeftigt: 'alt.visa.us'.

Dirk
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:7983 de.soc.politik:2074
From: franz.reinthaler@synapse.org (Franz Reinthaler) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.politik
Subject: Auswanderung (was: Notstand)
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: franz.reinthaler@synapse.org (Franz Reinthaler) 

From: franz.reinthaler@synapse.org

In article <1992Nov2.193320.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, poser@vxcrna.cern.ch (Till
Poser) writes:

>> Ich habe immer mehr das Gefuehl, dasz einem auf die Dauer nur die
>> Moeglichkeit bleibt, diesem Land den Ruecken zu kehren, da das
>> politische Klima von widerwaertigen und erbaermlichen Kreaturen vom
>> Schlage eines Gersters (und Kohls) hier Zug um Zug mit Vorbedacht
>> vergiftet wird. Sie beginnen, das _einzige_ Identifikationsobjekt, das
>> ich mit diesem Staat habe, mutwillig zu vernichten, naemlich die
>> Verfassung, und das ohne zwingenden Grund. Sie sind scheinbar zu dumm
>> oder vielleicht eher zu faul, eine vernuenftige Gesetzgebung auf die
>> Beine zu stellen, aber die Verfassung machen sie fuer alles
>> verantwortlich.

Warum denn gleich aufgeben? Das hie.e doch den Verfassungsfeinden
direkt in die H.nde zu spielen. Eine Verfassung ist ja nicht mehr
wert als das Papier auf dem sie geschrieben ist, solange da kein Wille
ist, ihre Prinzipien zu verteidigen wenn das n.tig werden sollte. Da
gibt es ja einige Beispiele, wo Staaten auf Verfassungen mit den
nobelsten Prinzipien gegr.ndet waren, die aber nie in die Praxis
umgesetzt wurden wie in den ehemaligen Volksdenmokratien. In einer
Abwandlung eines bekannten Zitates w.rde ich sagen: Ein Volk hat die
Verfassung die es verdient.

Gr.sse,
Franz
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier)
Subject: Re: DIE WELT
Organization: Multikulturelle Gesellschaft n.e.V.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:32:51 GMT

In article <18960.2afd2659@ecs.umass.edu> arora@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Ich habe gelesen das die Welt ab dem 15. Okt ein Neues Format hat?
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ich wuesste nicht, dass die WELT ueberhaupt je Format gehabt haette.

>Wie hat sich die Welt geaendert? Hier in dieser Teil der USA kann man 
>kein solches Zeitung bekommen.
Da meine Eltern seit etlichen Jahren die WELT im Abonnement haben, kann ich
Dich beruhigen: Du versaeumst gar nichts.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wltaylor@wam.umd.edu (William L. Taylor)
Subject: Re: Translation help, bitte.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:24:06 GMT

Well, as you can see, it's almost impossible to talk about the
meanings of German terms from the Nazi era without talking about
the subjects they embody, although that is NOT what I intend to
do.

What I do intend to do is to throw in my $.02 worth as a native
speaker of English, since you've heard from a couple of
(presumably) native German speakers.

The key phrase is clearly "Vernichtung des Judentums." 
"Vernichtung," we all seem to agree, means "destruction" or
"annihilation."  I don't see too much of a substantive
distinction between these words in English -- "annihilation" is
certainly more dramatic in tone, but both imply complete removal
by violence.

The crux of the matter, then: how to translate "Judentum"? 
Although I learned German in 1989 and not 1941, I don't think the
translation "Jewish element" is adequate in the context of your
document.  To my mind, that merely singles out an ethnic group
within a particular larger group: "the Jewish element in show
business," for example.  Such a phrase, or rather the racist
thinking which it represents, is repulsive enough, but I believe
the word "Judentum" is broader than "Jewish element."  A better
word might be "Jewry," but it is hopelessly old fashioned.  If
"the destruction (or annihilation) of Jewry" is too quaint for
your taste, I'd go with "the destruction (or annihilation) of all
Jews."

I dunno if all this helps or not.  In any case, caveat emptor
when it comes to translation services.

Bill Taylor
From: TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: halb time etc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:44:00 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet, Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: lannert.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

In article <Bx3pnt.HJo@nic.umass.edu> mrunkel@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Marc A. Runkel) writes:

>Just wanted to point out that Michael Feld was the original asker of the Q:
>What time is halb-sechs.  Not the one that gave the wrong answer. Someone
>edited a response sloppily, and now it looks like Michael gave the wrong 
>answer.
>
>Please be careful when editing responses.

Please be careful when criticizing follow-ups.

This was the original message:
------------------------------------------------------------------
#From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
#Subject: What time is "halb sieben"?
#Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 18:02:25 GMT
#
#Is "halb sieben"
#        a) six-thirty
#or is it
#        b) seven-thirty
#?
#-- 
#Michael Feld                  | E-mail: <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
#Dept. of Philosophy           | FAX: (204) 261-0021
#University of Manitoba        | Voice: (204) 474-9136
#Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
---------------------------------------------------------------------

... and this was a later message (with a different subject line):
---------------------------------------------------------------------
#From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
#Subject: "Half-seven" and "Halb sieben" puzzle
#Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 21:29:32 GMT
#
#"Half-seven" in British English is what English-speaking Canadians and
#Americans call "half-past six", which is to say, "6.30".
#
#"Halb sieben" in standard German is what English-speaking Canadians and 
#Americans mean by "half-past seven", which is to say, "7.30".
#
#Puzzle: why the difference?
#
#Best answer to date: different time zones.
#-- 
#Michael Feld                  | E-mail: <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
#Dept. of Philosophy           | FAX: (204) 261-0021
#University of Manitoba        | Voice: (204) 474-9136
#Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Unless someone forged Michael Feld's header and signature, both
postings came from the same source.

So what's wrong with any of the follow-ups?  Who ought to be careful???

[BTW, I don't blame Michael for his second posting, even if he really
*was* the author. We've seen a lot more confusing statements from our
beloved politicians... But a tricky business like telling the time
deserves an effort to get it straight, and I think that's the reason
why so many people responded.]
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"Gedanken sind nicht stets parat,
man schreibt auch, wenn man keine hat."             Wilhelm Busch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Wanted: information about draft resistance in Germany
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:27:00 GMT

A group of German young people who refused to be drafted are vistiting
Israel, and a friend of mine who is active in the Israeli peace movement
is showing them around, and asked me if I wanted to join a group of
people who live here to talk to them.  In order to know something
about the millitary draft in Germany, I thought I'd ask people in this
group.

Do all Germans have to serve in the army?  At what age?  For how long?
Can someone who objects to the millitary be exempted from service?
Are there exemptions for college students or other exemptions?
How does German public opinion regard people who don't serve?

What does the German Army do?  I imagine that since reunification,
there aren't any tense borders.  Is the army involved in any
international peacekeeping forces?  Does it play an active role inside
Germany (e.g. a police-like role)?

I hope that this doesn't start a flame war here, and please don't read
anything for or against the draft into my questions.  To save bandwidth,
if people want to send me answers by mail I'll summarize.

thank you

P.S. Even though nysernet.org is located in the United States, I am in Israel.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mrunkel@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Marc A. Runkel)
Subject: Re: halb time etc.
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:15:49 GMT

>So what's wrong with any of the follow-ups?  Who ought to be careful???
>--
>Detlef Lannert      DC3EK      E-Mail: tsos@rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
>"Gedanken sind nicht stets parat,
>man schreibt auch, wenn man keine hat."             Wilhelm Busch

Sorry. I f**ked up.

Sheepishly,
-- 
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Network Support Asst.                       Of course, this is just my
Registrar's Office                          tiny, insignificant, humble
University of Massachussets, Amherst        opinion.  If you don't like it....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: kiszczuk@bwl.th-darmstadt.de (Orest Kiszczuk  Hiwi BWL2)
Subject: Re: Using US ATM Cards in Germany, Europe
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:24:41 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Betriebswirtschaftslehre, TH Darmstadt

In article <1992Nov10.011952.13892@acuson.com> salmons@acuson.com (Dale Salmons) writes:
>From: salmons@acuson.com (Dale Salmons)
>Subject: Using US ATM Cards in Germany, Europe
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:19:52 GMT

>I plan on traveling to German, Austria, and Switzerland next summer.

>Friends have told me that one can use their
>ATM cards from American Banks and withdraw money throughout 
>England and perhaps other parts of Western Europe.  

I don't exactly know what ATM means but I guess you're talking about
regular credit cards like Master Charge, Visa and that kind of stuff.
To tell the truth I haven't seen a single american Bank in Germany up
to now. (I'm not sure if City Bank is american.)

>Can I use my ATM card (Star Network) at Banks in Germany?
What's Star Network?
I've seen these machines which take credit cards only at the central
station of munich. They are more popular in other european countries.

>Do most German banks have ATM machines?
Most german banks have machines for the "Eurocheque".

>How does the currency exchange work with this?
Who knows.


>   Danke shoen
Bitte sehr !

Orest Kiszczuk
(Internet: kiszczuk@BWL.bwl.th-darmstadt.de)
                    ^^^^^
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 15:09:16 MEZ
From: <WESTBRO@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: RE: European toilet habits

Toilet? What the hell is a toilet?
If I feel myself "too heavy" I just go into my neighbour's
garden and (censored by my cat).

So long, Markus.  "Life - don't talk to me about life."
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Translation help, bitte.
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:39:09 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau32.ira.uka.de

In article <1dn6tjINNcie@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>
>In the course of some research into Middle East history, I need
>to interpret the following sentence from German Foreign Ministry
>archives (1941):
>
>    Das deutsche Ziel w\"urde dann lediglich die Vernichtung des 
>    im arabischen Raum unter der Protektion der britischen Macht 
>    lebenden Judentums sein.
>
>I have two professional translations, namely:
>
>(a) Germany's only objective would then be solely the destruction 
>    of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the
>    protection of British power.
>(b) Thereafter, Germany's only remaining objective in the region 
>    would be limited to the annihilation of the Jews living under
>    British protection in Arab lands.
>
>My knowledge of German is insufficient to choose between "destruction 
>of the Jewish element" and "annihilation of the Jews", even though
>those phrases could perhaps have substantially different meaning.
>
>Therefore, my question is: How would a reasonable person in 1941
>WITHOUT BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT have translated that sentence?

The problem is, roughly speaking, that the literal translation is more
of (a), while the desired goal of the Nazi regime was (b).

To what extent this fact has been known back then to the general
public is subject of endless debates. Most official statements from
the Nazi government have handled words very carefully, stating phrases
like 'Vernichtung des Judentums' (destruction of the Jewish element)
instead of 'Vernichtung der Juden' (annihilation of the Jews), while
the desired objective has clearly been the latter.

So the choice of the proper translation depends on *what* you want to
translate - more the words or more the meaning.

Olaf
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   "Stop talkin' and start chalkin'!" - Eight Ball Deluxe
From: schultrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard J Schultz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Eisgekuehlter Bommerlunder
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:41:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
Reply-To: schultrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard J Schultz)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-20.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Keywords: german, Toten Hosen, bestiality

Weiss einer von Euch zufaellig, ob es wirklich so'n Getraenk gibt, was  
"Bommerlunder" heisst?  (Fuer diejenigen, die es nicht wissen, kommt es in  
einem Lied von den Toten Hosen vor.)  Ich hab's nachgeguckt und ein paar  
Leute gefragt, aber niemand wiess es.

nur ein neugieriger Fan,

Rick Schultz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: WORLD WAR II: DISCUSSIONS..
Originator: delarocq@c00059-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:20:40 GMT




  I am currently looking for anyone who is interested in discussing WWII 
 from the German view, as well as battle strategies, aircraft and tank
 production, or any other topic. I am open to all points of view. Just
 email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu, I would really appreciate it!!!!
 I specialize in knowledge of German aircraft (WWII).
 

 Darrell Larocque
 North Carolina State University
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Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: olaf@tpki.toppoint.de (Olaf Schlueter)
Subject: Re: Violence updates: it's now up to the others
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 22:39:51 GMT

I will try to continue Deborahs efforts to collect news about violance
and xenophobia in Germany. I'm only able to cling to a weekly schedule.

Nov, 6th (Source: Kieler Nachrichten of Nov 7th)

In Wolgast (Vorpommern) two young men manhandled an african refugee
seriously; it's possible, that the victim will get blind on one eye.

In Neubrandenburg a 16 year old girl has been attacked by a crowd of
juveniles; the girl told the police that she had been taken for a foreigner
and attacked for that reason.

According to a representative opinion poll in Germany of INFAS 32 % of those
interviewed stated that "nationalsocialism has had its good sides".

On a convention in Nuernberg the Christian Social Union (CSU; government
party of Bavaria) supported the decision of Max Streibl (CSU), prime
minister of Bavaria, not to participate in the demonstration against
xenophobia in Berlin tomorrow: "The CSU stands closed behind Max Streibls 
decision not to join the demonstration in Berlin, which will only
hide deficits in police and law." Max Streibl called the demonstration 
a "red herring" and a "funeral march of a helpless democracy." [The 
demonstration is supported by all other democratic parties in Germany
and has the slogan "Dignity is untouchable. No chance for hate.".
Among others Bjoern Engholm (SPD chief), Chancellour Helmut Kohl and
President Richard von Weizsaecker will be there.]


-- 
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olaf@tpki.toppoint.de
Nuclear weapons can wipe out life on Earth, if used properly.
From: siri@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Siri Flocke)
Subject: Re: Bandeskunzler
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:41:54 GMT

In einem der letzten Wahlkaempfe (ich glaube, es war '86) lautete einer
der Slogans der CDU: "Dieser Kanzler schafft Verbund" (unter einem
Riesen-Portrait unserer allerhabenen Vereinigungsbirne).  Irgendein
Witzbold machte daraus auf einer Toilettenwand:

"Dieser Bunzler schafft Verkohl"


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: "Half-seven" and "Halb sieben" puzzle
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:01:24 GMT

In the southern part of Germany, the use of the expressions 'Viertel sieben'
(meaning 6:15) and 'Dreiviertel sieben' (6:45) is very widespread.  They are
probably used more often than the equivalent 'Viertel nach sechs' (6:15) and
'Viertel vor sieben' (6:45).
Of course, 'Halb sieben' means 6:30 in Germany.
 
Stephanie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier)
Subject: Re: "antifasch." Historik
Organization: Multikulturelle Gesellschaft n.e.V.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:49:44 GMT

In article <rucXr*T82@mania.RoBIN.de> lkv@mania.RoBIN.de (Lutz Vieweg) writes:
>[...]
>Faktum ist, dass ich und die meisten meiner Generation in der Schule
>nicht weniger als 5 mal mit Deutschlands Geschichte von 33-45
>berieselt worden sind (2*Deutsch, Geschichte, Religion, Sozialkunde),
Und bei Dir hat dies offenbar nicht zu einem sensiblen Umgang mit diesem
Thema gefuehrt. Tip: Lass Dir Dein Schulgeld zurueckgeben!
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