From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Abortion Rights = Self Determination
Date: 17 Jul 92 18:36:56 GMT
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In article <1992Jul11.180611.17679@ntmtv>, jazanopa@ntmtv.UUCP (Patricia
Jazanoski) wrote:
> Wake up everyone! This whole abortion controversy is about women
> wanting to make their own decisions about their lives.

They can make decisions about their own lives, the same way that men have
to: birth control.

Men do not have the control you want to have.
 
> I doubt any woman ever really "wants" to go through the procedure of 
> an abortion. But women want control over their lives and their bodies. 
> They want to be able to weigh the options and make the best decision
> for themselves, when the time comes. It's really that simple.

What about the best decision for the father or, better yet, the baby?  Even
if you discount the baby, you cannot discount the father.
 
> No. Nobody is that stupid. But it sets a precidence that other states
> will use to set their own laws. Just wait and see how many conservative
> states quickly pass laws that similiarly restrict a woman's choice, 
> or laws thay try to take it one step further.

Fine, but abortion is not, contrary to whatever the Supreme Court says, a
fundamental right set out in the constitution.  I have a copy right here in
front of me, and it is simply not in there.  Period.

> Many women living in rural areas would be forced to make two longs
> trips. Women would be forced to take 2 days off from work. Women with
> children would be forced to find day-care for 2 days. Oh yes, 
> many (to most) women that get abortions already have other children.

Oh, gosh.  How dare us put the mother out of her way in destroying a life. 
Man, why don't we just hand out abortion at home kits?
 
> ********************************************************************
> Most people don't know:
> 
>    Having an abortion in the first trimester has less health risks 
>    associated with it than carrying a baby full term and giving birth.
> 
> ********************************************************************

Except, of course, the baby's health.  I think their health is rather
snuffed, eh?
 
> It really irks me that pro-lifers insist on pushing their morality on 
> other people: people they don't know anything about and people that are
> in situations they could never imagine. The hard-core pro-lifers should 
> be directing their efforts to make it easier for women to have their 
> babies: provide them homes, clothing, food. And don't forget, having a 
> child is forever, so let's provide reasonable schools, cities without
> crime and access to higher education to everyone.  And then let
> women decide.

This is what bothers me: pro-choicers do not seem to realize that we view
that "thing" you are aborting as a full human life: as much of one as a
baby.  I would stop you from killing a baby too!  Why?  Because it angers
me in the same manner.  It's not "forcing a morality."  Don't you
understand that when we hear about an abortion, it's like telling us "I
just shot my baby."  That's how we feel.  I think the debate makes more
sense when you understand that thinking.

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Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
Newsgroups: ba.politics