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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Brad Jones, Philadelphia Flyers, to Ilves?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:59:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.221244.10843@news.yale.edu> () writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.184213.1840@tac.fi>, tiok_jtk@tac.fi wrote:
>> 
>> Hello!
>> Is there anybody who could give some infromation about a guy called
>> Brad Jones. All I know about him is he played last year in Philadelphia
>> Flyers...Now he's coming to Ilves, Tampere (Finland).
>> 
>Brad Jones played one season with the Philadelphia Flyers before being cut
>this summer.  Jones, a winger, was known mostly for his excellent speed and
>not much else.  He is Michigan's all-time career points leader (or in the
>top 5 or something) and excelled as a member of the U.S. National Team...
>he played for a few years in the Kings organization but never demonstrated
>the abilitly to produce at the NHL level.

Brad Jones was originally a member of the Winnipeg Jets, and was pretty much
the same disappointment he was in LA.  Showed signs of being able to play
with a great deal of skill, but very little was ever shown for his work.
If memory serves, the Jets traded him to LA for Phil Sykes.

Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)
Subject: Re: More on the Calder (Was: FLYERS notes 11/16)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:22:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.152105.21222@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
>
>Here's a question, though. Is a goalie less likely to get either the Calder
>or the MVP because they have the Vezina to honor great goaltending? It seems
>to me that the MVP is really in more likely the scoring champion than anything
>else.
>
>pete clark - rsh FLYERS contact

  If you recall in the 90-91 season, Ed Belfour won both the Vezina and
the Calder. Fedorov who had a great season was the runner up.  It is very
possible that Felix Potvin might win both.  Usually, when a goalie wins
the Calder it happens that he wins the Vezina too.  Tom Barrasso did it in
84 and Belfour in 91.

For the last couple of years, the Hart wasn't won by the scoring champion.
Last year, Mario Lemieux outscored Mark Messier but Messier was the MVP.
In the 91 season, Gretzky outscored Brett Hull but Hull got the MVP.
If you're talking about rookie scoring for the Calder, Tony Amonte had
more points than Bure last year but again Bure won the Calder.


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From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: CHL UPDATE: 11-22
Summary: Oklahoma City Blazers outdraw Winnepeg Jets!
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:40:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.By4JK9.63u
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Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

Current CHL Standings, updated 11-22-92:

                   Overall            
              W  L  OTL PTS  PCT  GF  GA  PIM   
---------------------------------------------
Okla. City    7  2   0  14  .778  50  42  331    Standings do not include
Tulsa         5  3   1  11  .611  41  38  255    Saturday's Dallas-Memphis
Ft. Worth     4  6   0   8  .400  47  45  244    game.
Dallas        3  2   1   7  .583  22  27  295  
Wichita       3  5   0   6  .375  39  43  188      
Memphis       3  5   0   6  .375  40  44  321
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Friday's Games:                 Saturday's Games

Dallas 4, @ Fort Worth 3        Tulsa 4, @ Oklahoma City 1
(att: 7,008)                    (att: 13,339) (!!!)

Tulsa 5, @ Wichita 3            Dallas @ Memphis
(att: 8,059)
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BLAZERS FILL THE MYRIAD, LOSE TO TULSA

Oklahoma City lost, 4-1, to the Tulsa Ice Oilers in front of a sellout
crowd of 13,399 last night.  The crowd was the largest both for this season,
and in CHL history (it also out-drew the Rangers-Jets game last night).
Tulsa goalie Tony Martino had an excellent game as well as the entire Oiler's
defense, allowing only 30 shots on goal against a Blazers offense which 
unloaded 56 shots the previous game against Memphis.  The lone Blazer goal
was shorthanded, scored by Mark McGinn (Boudreau).  The game also snapped
Blazer Sylvain Fleury's 8 game consecutive points steak, dating from the start
of the season.  Tulsa's goals were by Craig Sheppard (Cavanaugh), Clouson
(unassisted), Mario Nobili (Sauer, Naud), and Sylvain Naud (Nobili).

The sellout gives the Blazers an average attendance of 7,738 for the season,
and may lead the CHL, pending the late game in Memphis.  The current CHL
attendance figures:

Oklahoma City   54,164  7  7,738
Memphis         13,858  2  6,929  (needed 9,359 last night to take lead)
Tulsa           17,508  3  5,836
Wichita         33,112  6  5,518
Fort Worth      31,864  7  4,552
Dallas               0  0      0  (first home game, November 25)
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total league   150,506 25  6,020


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From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Subject: Why ESPN's Hockey Ratings Are Low
Organization: University of Rochester
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 16:49:11 GMT

	After watching yet another Sportscenter, I finally came to realize
that ESPN is still not really dedicated to hockey.  ESPN still
treats hockey like a lesser sport.  For football, baseball, and basketball (pro &
college), ESPN shows highlights of everygame, and only after these have had time
alloted for them will they show any hockey highlights.  Usually one or
two and then the typical local sports show posting of scores.  Most probably,
the only person at ESPN that actually cares about hockey is Tom Mees.

	Another problem is how many people actually stay home on Friday nights
just to watch teams that they might not actually root for??  One would think
that games during the week would generate more ratings.  And for God's sake,
move the tractor pulls to early morning with the fishing!

Kev
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL INJURY REPORT FOR 11-16-92
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:04:00 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov17.010340.26266@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) writes:
>
>
>
>NHL INJURY REPORT FOR 11-16-92
>
>
>TEAM	PLAYER			INJURY				DATE BACK
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>BUF	Donald Audette		right knee surgery		INDEF
>BUF	Grant Ledyard		frac. finger on right hand	INDEF
>BUF	Ken Sutton		broken left foot		Nov. 17
>

Donald Audette is expected to return in early December.  

Ken Sutton was anticipated to return for last night's game vs.
Pittsburgh.  He accompanied the team to Pittsburgh, but it was
determined during the morning skate that Sutton had not yet recovered
sufficiently and he did not play.  He is not expected to play tonight 
vs. New Jersey in Hamilton.

Defenseman Randy Moller is out indefinitely with knee ligament damage.
Moller injured the knee several games ago.  He had reconstructive knee
surgery several years ago on the same knee.

Defenseman Mike Ramsey is also out with a groin pull.  He's listed as
day-to-day at present and accompanied the team to Pittsburgh for last
night's game but did not play.


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hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)
Subject: Re: NHL INJURY REPORT FOR 11-16-92
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:45:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.010340.26266@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) writes:
>
>
>
>NHL INJURY REPORT FOR 11-16-92
>
>
>TEAM	PLAYER			INJURY				DATE BACK
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>STL	Kelly Chase		pulled groin			D-to-D
>STL	Bret Hedican		sprained left knee		D-to-D
>STL	Vitali Karamnov		pulled groin			INDEF
>STL	Dave Lowry		sprained right knee		INDEF
>STL	Brendon Shanahan	pulled groin			D-to-D
>STL	Ron Sutter		pulled abdominal musc.		D-to-D
>
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>-SPIKE-

   Ron Sutter, Kelly Chase, and Vitali Karamnov back in the lineup.
   Bret Hedican is getting some seasoning with Peoria, he should be
   back in the Blues lineup sometimes next week.

   Dave Lowry will be out 4-6 weeks with a knee injury. Brendan Shanahan
   started skating, he should be back by next week.  Vitali Prokhorov is
   day-to-day with a bruised shoulder.
 

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From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Why it's great in Vancouver (was Why ESPN's Hockey Ratings Are Low)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 01:33:58 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1992Nov23.010709.3447@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
[my stuff from previous post deleted]

>Just about every team has local TV, local radio, local newspaper coverage,
>local this, local that. With ESPN, we're talking national coverage. Why
>don't you ask Canucks fans living hundreds of miles from Vancouver (that don't
>have satellite dishes) how much of 1-4 they are getting (5 is really
>irrelevant)?

Local coverage accounts for about 1 game per week, national coverage is
about 3 games per week (done very nicely by CBC and esp. TSN).
Canuck fans living hundreds of miles away can still pick up 18 of the games.  
Furthermore, read the subject line, it does say
	 'Why it's great in *Vancouver*'.
Item 5 (about Bure playing for the Canucks) was a joke, as in humor
like most of the post, but if you want to take it seriously then you can...  
So in summary, your comments just piss me off.

Just my thoughts
Tony
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From: ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak)
Subject: Re: Oates-Janney Trade revisited
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
 
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:18:38 GMT


Well, what do you think of last night's shutout by Irbe who led the Sharks
over the Kings 6-0? Suprise? But I think they deserve the win


Anson
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:32:30 EST
From: <DXV108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: PENGUINS CLOBBER SABRES!

PENS ARE NO. 1 - They DESTORYED Buffalo last night.  We're talking 3-Peat.
Awwwww Yeah!!!!   Rick Tocchet is awesome and Barrasso is THE BEST!
This is what happens after my Rangers get a 1940 cursing in Pittsburgh.
It'll never be the same again...sigh!......................Rangers 1994!
-Dad
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fuhr's knee
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <By6Csw.5qI@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> psproxto@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Sproxton) writes:
>I know Grant Fuhr left Saturday nights game against LA after two periods because he aggravated his knee again.  Has anybody heard about the severity and if he will miss more time??????

Allegedly, it isn't serious and is day-to-day...it is an inflamed
tendon, and not a new or reinjured ligament.

Gerald
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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: Re: Ps-0 RWs-8/thoughts (NON-HOCKEY POST)
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:07:56 GMT


Gerry Gryschuk writes:

> *If* Quinn actually raped this woman and *if* Lemieux,Tocchet or Errey had been
> able to stop it the only thing they have to be held accountable for is their
> innaction, their own fidelity(or lack there of) shouldn't be in question here.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'held accountable', but to paraphrase
Supreme Court Justice Scalia (referring to US law):

	Our laws are written to persuade a person not to do wrong -
	not to punish a person for ignoring his natural propensity
	to do good.

Scalia sure is an optimist about us humans, isn't he?

Anyway... If Mario had prevented the one girl from helping her friend,  then
he would be aiding and abetting a crime.  If he just sat and watched, I doubt
that he could be convicted of anything.  Legally he is not 'doing wrong',
ethically he is.

Kevin

p.s.  I wonder if the story would have made headlines had Mario intervened
	on the alleged incident.  He could have come out of this looking 
	really good.
From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Igor Boldin's Whereabouts?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:13:25 GMT
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Any of the Blues' followers have any information on the status/whereabouts of
Igor Boldin?  Any chance he'll be appearing in a Blues' uniform before season's
end?  Thanks in advance for any info.

Brad

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Canadiens No. 1 in NHL
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:23:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov17.082311.10217
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

<RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>The Montreal Canadiens defeated the Boston Bruins last night to vault to No. 1
>in the overall standings (as of this moment) with a record of 13-4-2.  Now, as
>if I recall, people started an argument saying winning percentage is a better
>indicator than points?  Well, with points, Montreal was ahead the enitre time
>of Boston.  With percentage, it was Boston as the best, then Montreal had to
>pass them up.

But Boston didn't continue to play at the pace they were at. That is what the
percentage indicates. Points doesn't tell you much at all about how a team is
playing. 24 points? Is that good or bad? Depends on how many games you've
played. Percentage doesn't have that problem. Montreal is ahead in percentage.
That's good enough for me.

>For followups, contibute to my points vs. win pctg poll.
>It's currently being taken through my e-mail til Friday.

Why? What will this solve? So X amount of people are in favor of Points and
Y are in favor of Pct...? What action will the league take? It's all moot at
the end of the end of the season.

A team has 63 points. How are they playing - well or poorly?

A team has a percentage of .625. How are they playing - well or poorly? I'll
gamble that this team is doing better. We'll never know, but the odds are in
favor of them.

The point is: don't just say that a team is the best in the league if they've
played more games than the competition. If they've played fewer, then you can
brag.

Tom
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Subject: Re: Any Penguins fans going to game on Wednesday?
From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:09:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92325.021724RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>the night?  (If not, it really should be.)  It really sucks not getting KDKA
>television and not having it on radio on Friday nights here in State College.
>** Rob **

If it bothers you that much, you should have gone to Pitt instead of PSU.

;-)

Dean

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From: millis@ckgp.UUCP (Tom Millis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: BOX scores
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:11:40 GMT
Organization: CKGP Assoc. Inc. Birmingham, MI

I need help in a BIG WAY! (no comments!)

Is there anyone out there who could possibly send me all of the box scores
since the beginning of the season?

I am part of a hockey pool at work and the guy who usually runs it just
got transferred, so now I am in charge of it.  Unfortunately, the other
guy did not keep any records, so it is impossible for me to back-track any
of the players.

I would be forever in your debt.

Thanks in advance

Tom

uunet!ckgp!millis
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: No offense taken (was Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:50:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.220044.5093@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>P.S. I don't know the reason that you are bashing Lori, but I'll stay out of

I didn't get the impression Brian was bashing me.  I have a good idea who he was 
bashing...

Lori
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: kyle@cfht.hawaii.edu (Kyle McKenzie)
Subject: Re: Why tie scores? (was IHL parent clubs)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:52:05 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>In article <DREIER.92Nov12195145@jacobi.berkeley.edu> dreier@jacobi.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>>
>>In the IHL, if a game is sent to OT, both teams are guarranteed of at
>>least one point.  This is because an overtime loss (OTL, as the IHL
>>standings term them) counts for 1 point and a victory, whether in
>>regulation or OT, counts for 2 points.  So if Ottawa plays Pittsburgh
>>to a tie after 60 minutes, they get a point, even if Neil Brady and
>>Sylvain Turgeon can't stay with Lemieux and Stevens.
>>

>Well then why doesn't baseball give the team that loses an extra inning
>game half-a-win...!

Here you go comparing apples and oranges.  Hockey, UNLIKE baseball has,
until recently, always allowed a game to finish in a tie.  When the NHL
decided to go to an overtime format those many years ago there was com-
plaint that the possibilty for a tie (and hence a point) would go out
the window.  I suppose to some degree this is true, so to award a team
one point for making it to overtime seems justified.  

Also, keep in mind another dissimilarity between hockey and baseball;
hockey's regular season schedule is no where near as important as base-
ball's.  So what if a team gets one point here and there.  I'd like to
see a shoot-out at the end of overtime for that second point.  That'd
really liven things up, just for the regular season mind you, and then
in the playoffs revert back to 'real' rules.

Go Leafs!!
Aloha, Kyle.
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 11-15-92
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:36:24 GMT
Keywords: sunday night's scores

In article <1992Nov17.004309.25874@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) writes:
>  WAS   7  9  1  15

Spike must be reading clarinet. The Caps are 7-10-1 for 15 points. At least
according to AP, and "nhl.c" also claims that they've played 18 games. This
is screwup #2 for UPI, I sent them mail last week because they had the right
record for the FLYERS but the wrong point total. Give 'em credit for fixing
it promptly, though.

So a warning to all, keep your eye on that clarinet UPI feed.

pete clark - rsh FLYERS contact
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:35:30 -0500 
From: Peter Jason Mann <pm3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Penalty Shot Criteria

From what I know/remember, the criteria are:
1)If a extra player leaves the bench to stop a breakaway.
2)  In the last 2 minute of regulation or any time in OT: a player
intentionally shoots the puck out of the rink, freezes play
intentionally, removes a net from its moorings as to stop a goal, or
goaltender removes helmet/facemask.
3) The one about the breakaway: player in possession of the puck
(control!)  in his attacking zone with no one except the goaltender to
pass, is interfered with from behind = penalty shot.  (note- the player
is not awarded a penalty shot if he/she gets a shot on net.)
4)  Any defending player except the goaltender covers the puck in the
goal crease.
5)  If the goaltender 'throws' his/her stick to prevent a goal at any
time.  (it's a judgement call to whether the tender throws his stick,
usually)

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