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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: SLAM JAM: WWF or WCW?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:51:23 GMT

In <1992Nov22.142031.14353@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The Candy Guru) writes:{

>The chances are good.  The chances are even better that fans will go to the
>record stores and buy Slam Jam 1, hoping to see some great matches.  The
>chances are about the same that fans will buy the Slam Jam (formerly Royal
>Rumble) PPV, hoping to hear Van Hammer's song for the umpteenth millionth time.
Is this fact, that Slam Jam is the former Royal Rumble? I posted that
theory a while back, and got royally flamed (no pun intended) when I
suggested the WWF lost the R.R. because they don't have enough talent
to fill a 30-man battle royale and still have 4 undercard matches.

At any rate, I can't see both federations having same-named products
(of whatever sort) out at the same time (or{even at different times)
because of copyright....

Michael 

Sorry if some of this message is garbled, I got bad line noise at the end.
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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Art Barr's rape case (Was: History of Japan)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:11:44 GMT

mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:

>>It's an irony.  Art Barr can't wrestle in Oregon(and was kicked out of WCW)
>>for his rape case, but Gonzales is still wrestling(as a face) in PR.
>Now *this* is a new one to me.
>Can I get more details of Mr. Barr's case?
>Should this be included in the new FAQ?

Can't remember the detail, but let me follow here just to let you know
I'm not ignoring you.   Anybody???
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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: Re: Wrestler's Real Names
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:54:25 GMT

In article <20NOV199208494667@utarlg.uta.edu> b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (VICCI VARNER) writes:
>Notice that Randy Savage's last name is Poffo as well as Elizabeth's. By 
>thw way, they've been married for 10 years!!!!!!

My, you're certainly being a fountain of misinformation today, aren't
you?  ;-)

As has been widely reported here, Savage and Elizabeth were married for
about seven or eight years.  Ironically enough, about a year after they
were "officially" married in the WWF, they divorced.  For some bizarre
reason, the latest WWF Magazine actually reveals this fact -- perhaps
they were afraid some of the marks had been noticing how Savage has been
coming on to other women in interviews.

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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Erik Watts
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:05:07 GMT

They should send him to New Japan and let him stay in dojo.  His push is
too early.  Since they keep mentioning that he learned some moves from
those Japanese wrestlers, why not send him over there for a while and
let him study a lot.  He's not a draw for the promotion anyway.
Just a personal opinion of mine...
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From: ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: Where have all the wrestlers gone?
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18: 56:36 CST
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:56:36 GMT
Received-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18: 56:42 CST


Our usenet feed's been gone for about t month and my back-up
feed went belly-up a week ago.  My backup-back-up feed only
keeps articles for about 20 hours, so I missed Herb's
tidbits and any other information that has been posted on
the subject.

If anyone replies to this article, please "cc" me as well, since
I more than likely won't be able to see it otherwise.

Bill Watts mentioned that Jake Roberts decided to pursue other
interests.  I think someone quoted the Torch or the Observer
as saying he was fired.

1) Did Jake leave or was he fired (or is a hazy line--Watts 
offereing him 40% of his previously agreed-to salary or
something?) and what were the circumstances surrounding this
falling out?

It's also been mentioned that the Ultimate Warrior, BBDog, and BBMan
are all gone or leaving.  I was aware of both Hawk and later Animal
telling Vince where to go, but hadn't heard anything about these
three.  I'll assume UW is back in his "I'm in a PPV main event match;
give me more money" role.  What's the scoop with BBDog and BBMan?

		--Otto "HACK-MAN" Heuer  ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com
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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Survivor Series Showdown
Keywords: ANy Results?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:41:33 GMT

  Will someone please post what happened on Survivor Series Showdown.
I know that they will be showing the Shawn Michaels/Bulldog match, but there
were others too (I think Earthquake vs IRS) and some others?


			Thanks,
			     Fippster 6
From: steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Perfect face turn
Keywords: Fer real?
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:54:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <BxxA2s.1yA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:
>
>  Okay, so Perfect is teaming with Savage, leaving two options
>
>
>1) Perfect face turn is for real.  
>
>2) This is plan C, and Perfect will ambush Savage during the match.
>
>
>  2 works better.  Savage can get hurt and be forced to take time off (as
>he is going to do).  This would enable Curt to just not tag in, leaving him
>to not take any bumps and risk an injury (also not "wrestle" if there still
>is an insurance threat).
>
>  The major problems I have with 2 are fist that if they do this, and Savage
>is hurt to the point of having to take time off, who will step up and take
>Savage's place?  You can'T just have a face leave, you need someone to take
>over the fued (ex, Sid Justice taking over the Jake Roberts fued for Randy/
>Ultimate Warrior).

	I would appreciate if all of you who speculate as to whether or not
Perfect's turn is legit or not would say whether or not you actually watched
Prime Time, or just heard about it. I watched it, I very much doubt this is
plan C. Heenan for one, was not acting, but Flair and Ramon were a bit too
antagonistic towards Perfect before his formal turn than would have made me
absolutely convinced. It comes down to this: You're all giving McMahon too
much credit. He would never try an angle involving a fake turn. It's not his
style. I suggest this scenario: Perfect decides he doesn't like being only
a color man and manager and tells McMahon he doesn't care about the $ and wants
to get back into the ring. Perfect timing, (pun intended) because Warrior is
being his greedy self, so McMahon fires Warrior and subs Perfect. It could
happen!

					Steve Sousa

>			Fippster 6
From: v069qryr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Aaron T. Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov15.175141.1939@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes...
>1.  Trivia question:   Bret Hart has held the WWF tag, intercontinetal,
>                        and World belts. Who else has done this?
 I'm not too sure, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was either Pedro
 Morales or Tony Garea....Again, I'm not too sure.

>2.  How can I get Wrestling Torch. (I know some one else asked, but
>                    wanted a E-Mail response.) Please post.
  Yes, let me know about this too...Thanx in advance
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From: 2up5nedwekp@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Mr. Perfect
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:43:43 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2up5nedwekp@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

Here's an obvious question : who honestly thinks Mr. P will stay good for 
more than one month?
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 14:52:11 EST
From: <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: Rick Rude/Ron Simmons

I beleive that Rude will win the title from Simmons at Starcade.
I read in one of the sheets about three months back that it is in
Rude's contract that he will hold the world title.  Then they
could start of a US title tournament since Bill Watts seems to be
into having tournaments lately.

******************
*Brent Sutherland*
******************
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From: jeffs@sunny.esd.wj.com (Jeff Siou)
Subject: Re: Main Event changes
Organization: Watkins-Johnson Company
Distribution: york
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:26:02 GMT

cs921037@ariel.yorku.ca (RON E BARNETT) writes:


>>> 
>>> [stuff deleted]...

>What he said was that one of them would have a new partner for SS, which could either be Hogan making his return to tag with Savage or Mr. not so perfect, Hennig, making his return after a long injury.  Heenan of course did not say which of these scenarios would be played out!


>Ron ("Hola, me chicos", Razor (all the time))
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think Razor Ramone is actually saying 'Oye mi chicos'.




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|  jeffs@sunny.tsd.wj.com                                                   |
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Wrestling TidBits   -   1
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:55:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Herb,

HK> - Strange unsubstantiated rumour in the Toronto Star today has
  >   Jake Roberts getting fired by WCW.  This would, of course, cause

He has left.  I have heard conflicting stories as to why but the
constant seems to be that he asked for more money, whether it was a
raise or the bonus money I don't know, and when he was told no, he left
the promotion and checked himself into a rehab clinic.

Sources: The Torch and a friend in the biz.

  >   Davey Boy Smith vs. Da Mountie may be in jeopardy since Da Mountie
  >   quit the WWF.  Ric Flair and the Undertaker will be out until the PPV,

Davey Boy was fired, as was the Anabolic Warrior.  That match is nuked!

  >   event tag match.  Nailz will be programmed with UW after the PPV,

Thanks God with the Warrior getting canned the wrestling world will be
spared that matchup.
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From: rschwabe@bach.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe)
Subject: Survivor Series Teams
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:40:37 GMT

Just a really innane survey (if you don't want to participate go ahead), but
which survivor series team was the greatest?  (I mean the actualy teams of four
or five)  Or give me your three favorites (this can be pure potential and not
what they actually accomplished in the Survivor Series) they should be judged
on their unity, their abilities, and their style. 

My personal favorite is the original: Randy "Macho Man" Savage, Jake "The Snake"
Roberts, Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan (he was actually 
tolerable then!), and Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake.

Also just for kicks give me the ultimate potential WWF Survivior Series team
(rules for this are that the wrestlers all had to be in the WWF at the same timeand they all had to be either faces or marks (I'll allow 1 guy to switch if you 
really need to do it- but try to avoid it).

Here you go: Ric Flair, Ted Dibiase, Mr. Perfect, The Undertaker, and Jake "The Snake" Roberts

Sorry for this but I am extremely bored.

*******************************************************************************
Robert J. Schwabe
"It's not the theatre, It's not classical music, It's not the opera, but    
sometimes a perfect body slam....is a beautiful thing."- promo for the 
recent Saturday Night's Main Event.
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From: wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan T2 Wen)
Subject: Re: news for marks
Reply-To: wen5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:16:15 GMT

In article <1689DAB36.MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU> MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice) writes:
>news and information.  One of the catagories is for professional
>wrestling -- hosted by "Richard Cranium."  The news is geared toward

"Dick Head"?  Maybe this is some indications of the content...


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From: ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: THINKING LOGICALY abot Perfect/Savage
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:55:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith)
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In a previous article, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) says:

>In <1edbbrINNn1q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith) writes:
>
>
>
>>and the clasic.....
>
>>I-snt  R-atundo  S-tupid!!
>
>HEY! I *saw* that one on last year's Survivor Series tape!! Was it yours??
>


No, I read about it here on the net, But I will use it this year.

Scotty

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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: the Torch
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:10:12 EST

In article <21NOV199219413958@acad3.alaska.edu>
fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan) writes:
 
>Now, this brings me to my next point.  Who wants to do a regular sheet
>listing here on the newsgroup?  [...]
>Maurice and I did agree to review wrestling sheets
>for Factsheet Five, but I haven't heard a word from Jerod Pore after
>initially agreeing to do it.  This was at least 2 or 3 months ago if I
>remember correctly.
 
Last I heard from Jerod, he was going to send me sheets for review.
That was awhile back. . . if he does send the sheets, I'll post the
reviews here.  But I don't have the money to subscribe to a lot of
sheets anymore, so I can't provide addresses or reviews otherwise.
The last time I saw most of the sheets was back in 1988 or 89 when
I reviewed them for the print version of Factsheet Five.
 
Whatever happened to Jon Gallagher who used to put out the Wrestling
Forum?
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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Subject: Re: SLAM JAM: WWF or WCW?
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The Candy Guru)
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:20:30 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <ventura.722284650@camelot>, ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak) writes:
> On Prime Time Wrestling for the past few weeks, the WWF has been promoting
> something for January 9th called SLAM JAM.
> On this Wednesday's Clash of the Champions, WCW promoted the SLAM JAM 1 album.
> As strange as it may seem, is it entirely out of the question that this could
> be a collaborative effort from both leagues? I mean, with all of the legal
> mumbo-jumbo in wrestking nowadays, what are the chances that both federations
> could come out with a wrestling album/video of the same exact name at the same
> exact time?

The chances are good.  The chances are even better that fans will go to the
record stores and buy Slam Jam 1, hoping to see some great matches.  The
chances are about the same that fans will buy the Slam Jam (formerly Royal
Rumble) PPV, hoping to hear Van Hammer's song for the umpteenth millionth time.

And yes, it is ENTIRELY out of the question that this is a collaborative effort
by WWF and WCW.  Though all three federation heads (booking/owner McMahon,
owner Turner, and booker Watts) HAVE to realise that their federations are
losing money this year, they also have to realise that reuniting the two
federations would be probably the worst thing they could do.  Throughout the
mid and late 80's, the only thing that kept NWA and WCW running was the same
thing that pushed Vince to come up with the characters from hell... and that
was the competition.  This won't change.  With no competition but the regional
promotions, the federations will probably mellow a bit, yes, but you'll also
probably see a lot more salary floors for wrestlers.  With no competition, the
big league, which would probably be the WWF, would be able to offer more money
for one match to the scab of the week, or at the very least the midcarders, than
a regional promotion can offer to one of its headliners.  With terms like that,
who would want to jump ship?  And with no one jumping ship, workrate would drop
like a stone.  It's called job security... look into it, as David Spade would
say.

Reuniting WWF and WCW is probably the worst thing they could do... and as long
as Turner, Watts, and McMahon all realise that, the competition to sell the
biggest gimmick will continue to grow.

This is all IMHO, but none of it has a smilie attached to it.

The Candy Guru.
From: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Chrispy WVR : Wrestle War '92
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Originator: chrispy@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu


*huff puff*   Here's another review...

1) Greg Valentine/Taylor Made Rooster...I mean MAN vs. Freebirds

   What a waste of talent in Taylor.  This guy deserves better than
   jobbing for the Birds.  This match is pretty sad when you see how
   wasted Taylor is.  Pretty standard title change.  **

2) Junkyard Dog/Ron Simmons vs. Cactus Jack/Mr. Hughes

   Jack's elbow off the ramp was awesome.  However, the match turns into
   a singles match when Dog can't continue.  Why?  Don't know, as even
   Jesse Ventura seemed perplexed despite giving away the scenario early.
   More push for the Ron Simmons Express...   *1/2

3) Brian Pillman vs. Z-Man for Brian's Lt. Heavyweight title

   A very good match showing both wrestlers skills.  One of the best
   matches in WCW this year.  See it.     ***3/4

4) Rick and Scott Steiner vs. Takayuki Iizuka/Tatsumi Fujinami

   The commentary stinks, but this was my match of the year.  Too many
   high impact moves to name.  Another must see.    ****1/2

5) Dangerous Alliance (Zybszko, Austin, Rude, Anderson, Eaton) vs.
   Sting, Windham, Rhodes, Koloff and Steamboat  in War Games

   One of the best War Games I've seen.  Every one works hard and lots
   of blood is spilled.  Heck, even the ending was good.  Another good
   match.    ***3/4

Overall, this tape went from a bad start to a great finish.  One of
the prizes of my collection, this gets

Grade: B+   ***1/2

More reviews to come.  Comments welcomed.


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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Wrestling Challenge
Keywords: Update
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:20:43 GMT


  Monsoon announced that Saturday Night'S Main Event occured last night,
and there was a new Intercontinental Champion.

  First match: Razor Ramon beat a jobber with the Razor's edge.
Monsoon told Heenen that last night's attack by Ramon, Flair and Perfect on
the Ultimate Maniacs did not get the job done.

  Max Moon vs Barry Horowitz.  Moon did a few moves and beat Horowitz with a
flying body press.  He did not jump far wnough, and Barry had to run up to
catch Max, and sort of fall back, Horowitz shows that it usually takes a
good jobber to have a good squash match.  During the match we saw several
shots of the clown.  Monsoon cliche: says that he knew it was just a matter
of time before some gold was around the waist of SHawn Michaels.

  Update (now after the second match rather than the first): Undertaker
is building a coffin.  Harvey says to build it to fit Undertaker.

  From Saturday Night's Main Event:  Shawn Michaels vs British Bulldog.
They begin the footage at about the middle of the match.  This time around
we can hear the commentary (last night for some reason you could barely
hear McMahon and Heene, so I missed a lot of Heenen's commentary).  Bulldog
had a sore back, and Michaels took off the turnbuckle padding and threw
Bulldog into the corner.  Later, Bulldog tried a superplex from the top
rope, but Shawn Michaels fell on top of him and got the pin.

  Interview with Bret Hart: Monsoon said it was before SNME, as Bret
mentioned Papa Shango as an upcoming match.

 Yokozuna wrestled.  He did a belly to belly suplex, a crescent kick, and won
with sort of an Earthquake from the second rope, only he held on to the
ropes the whole time, lessening the impact of hs squat and thus did not kill
his opponent.

  Survivor Series Update:  Interviews with the main event participants.

  Bam Bam Bigelow is coming.

  Last match: Natrual Disasters vs jobbers.  Again we see the clown.
Earthquake paused while doing his finisher to look at the clown.  He quaked
the opponent, tagged to Typhoon who splashed him and got the pin.


Next Week: Tatanka, Nailz, the debut (or rather the return of) Bob Backlund,
and Jerry Saggs of the Nasty Boys vs one of the Beverly Brothers
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