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From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Subject: AGA utilities
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:49:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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I'm looking for a PD utility for the 4000/AGA which can "snap" graphics
from an AGA screen.  I have tried all the old ones I can find from
2.04/1.3, and they all work only on screens of 5 bitplanes or less.
They crash when the screen depth gets to, say, 8 planes.

Does anyone know of such a thing for AGA?  I'd really rather not write
one if I can help it.

   - steve
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:58:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Nov16.155829.9031
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <XcL9TB2w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:
>marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:
>
>> OK, let's say you've built a wooden table and a few chairs,
>> which you have in your garden. The next night, someone comes
>> and steal the outdoor furniture. That's not a moral thing to do,
>> right? It's about the same thing when stealing software, the
>> programmer has put blood, sweat and tears into his work, and
>> perhaps he wants to have something back for that? So, it IS
>> immoral to steal his software.
>>   (It is hard to make an example, as other things than software
>> usually can't be copied the way software can.)
>
>Duh!  Gee, George, ain't that the whole reason there is an argument?  
>You equate piracy with theft, and then tell us you can't come up with an 
>example because it is so very different from theft!
>
>Piracy _is not_ theft.  I will concede that piracy may be morally and 
>legally _wrong_, but it is _not_ theft.  Theft, by definition, implies 
>depriving a person of his physical property, and anticipated profits _are 
>not physical property_.  They cannot be quantified with any degree of 

Ever hear of something called intellectual property?  No?  That somehow
doesn't surprise me.  Are you a pirate?  Is that the reason why you hide
behind a silly nickname instead of using your real one?

>certitude.  The ONLY way I could ever buy this argument would be if the 
>program had to be re-written each time a copy was sold, in which case I 
>would have to agree it was quite similar.  However, data can be 
>reproduced over and over at almost no additional cost, so the comparison 
>of real world, hand tooled goods is innacurate.  People who are 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of "real world, hand tooled goods"
can also be reproduced at almost no additional cost.  As for software being
re-written for each copy, that would be like re-designing a car for every
customer or re-writing a book for each reader.  You really should get a clue.

>victimized by pirates are not harmed as bad as people who are victimized 
>by thieves, because they have not actually lost any material goods.  

Hah, what an idiot you are!  Your sort of logic is used by mass-murderers to
justify their killing of innocent people.  "Well, they never got to live the
rest of their life, so they have not actually lost anything."

>While they can certainly say they have been harmed by the piracy, it is 
>hardly the same as a tablemaker being robbed:  in this case, he has to 
>make a new table, just as he would have been forced to do had he sold it. 

Does that make it any less wrong?  Sheesh, where in the world do you come
up with this crap?  Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for raising
someone such as yourself.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate and Pirate Basher
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:28:31 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov19.194352.17247@hubcap.clemson.edu>

>piracy isnt quite what you said. lets say you did build a wooden table
>and a few chairs. a pirate comes along and makes a copy of the table
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You certainly have no sense for logic, that's clear.  A software pirate
makes a copy of a disk, not table and chairs.  All of the hard work, the
work that took education, time and effort was NOT done by the pirate but the
software's author.  Have you ever notice people don't pirate tables and
chairs?  No.  Figures.  They don't because it saves them no time and work.

1. Building a chair takes as much energy as... building a chair.  No gain.

2. Copying a disk takes much less energy than writing the program.

>and chairs for himself. the pirate never takes your table and chairs.
>and why might he do that? well perhaps its because you charged
>him 1 million dollars for a chair and it only cost you 2 hours to
>make it. oh.. and by the way.. im a programmer so dont tell me its
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's a line of bull if I ever saw one.

Hey, it is up to him to charge what he wants.  If you don't want it, DON'T
TAKE IT.  Leave it alone and write your own if it is so easy.

>blood, sweat and tears. thats BS.

Perhaps YOUR software is worthless crap no one want's to buy, but there IS
software that IS worth buying.

>                                            --John
>
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>Phone: 803-653-3893                    |    Clemson, SC 29631
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>

I'm not wasting my breath with your crap anymore.

-Joel
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: KRC@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Keith R. Connors)
Subject: Looking for simple CAD program!
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:09:52 GMT
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Hello!

Well, I am looking for a simple CAD program....nothing special, just something
that will allow me to draw schmatic diagrams, save as IFF, and then import
into Final Copy II.  Currently I am using DigiPaint (a terrible choice,
but the only commercial paint program I own).  I don't have the luxury of
having Deluxe Paint, nor the money to purchase it, and I have tried FreePaint,
only to become very frustrated!

Anyway, I am aware of MCAD...and looking thru archie, I have found that the
newest version of it is on a Fish disk in the 0 hundreds!  Is there a newer
version or something else in the PD or Shareware that I can experiment with?!

Thanks so much....(EMail is preferred, and uses less bandwidth, but I read
NEWS frequently)...

						Keith Connors
						krc@eclx.psu.edu
						Penn State, EE Senior
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: walshs@cs.uwp.edu (Steven Walsh)
Subject: Amiga 2000 - $800
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:37:19 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Dixons and the A1200
Organization: City University, London
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:25:02 GMT

Dixons is one of the dealers the woman at CBM UK mentioned when I
asked for technical information.

I visited Dixons on Saturday, to check out the new A1200. I searched
high and low and almost missed it. It was hidden on a very shallow,
low shelf. I had to crawl on my hands and knees to look at the 
machine, which had a small card behind it saying `Amiga 1200', and
a couple of details in smaller print. It was not powered up or
connected to any sort of display.

The Sega and Nintendo systems were in prime position and attracting
quite a crowd. Even the A600 was in a better position, and connected
to a cheap diplay - although it was not running anything apart from
the usual Workbench hand (now animated and in a few colours under KS2).
 
Over on the business side, all the PC-Compatibles were hooked up
to expensive hi-res monitors, and running impressive looking colour
demos of business software, and producing high quality print outs..

I asked a sales dweeb to show me an A1200. He waved towards it on
its hidden shelf, and said that its just the same as the A600
really. I said I wanted to check out its 256000 colours and speed.
He said it would only look like an A600, as it had no software for
it. When I pressed further he gave me the same story, and declined
to show me, sayinging the A1200 did not come with a software
pack. He said Dixons did not sell any Amiga softare, so he could 
not demonstrate the A1200. I might have been a potential customer.
This scene may well have been repeated in Dixons in every high
street in the UK that day. CBM UK Marketing are you listening?

I looked at the rows and rows of Nintendo and Sega titles, and the
crowds buying up these systems in the pre-christmas rush. And I left
the store in abject desolation and utter despair.


--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: IDK/Frontec - System Design Group
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:38:19 GMT

(This is yet another of these 'religious' threads...)

saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson) writes:
> >In the mean time, I hurt nobody, nor do I deprive anyone of
> >their possessions, nor do I act against any apparant societal
> >morality.
 
marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:
> OK, let's say you've built a wooden table and a few chairs,
> which you have in your garden. The next night, someone comes
> and steal the outdoor furniture. That's not a moral thing to do,
> right? It's about the same thing when stealing software,

No it isn't.
In the case of the furniture, you steal the complete work. That is like
stealing the source code and all documentation and also deleting the work
from the programmer's hard disk.

Just stealing a duplicate of the work without the knowledge of the author
does not hurt the author unless you are a potential customer (which Scotty
declared he's not).

> the programmer has put blood, sweat and tears into his work, and
> perhaps he wants to have something back for that?

Yup, he sure does. The bottom line is, though, that Scotty (in this case)
declared that he can in no way afford the software.
I don't say that's a reason for piracy, I'm just saying that if he didn't
pirate the software, the author still wouldn't have got any money from him.

> So, it IS immoral to steal his software.

Yes, I agree. Most forms of stealing is considered immoral by most people.
(Note that moral is individual.)

		-- Bjorn


       ///  Bjorn Stenberg, Stockholm, Sweden         bjst@sth.frontec.se
      ///  main() { printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}
 \\\ ///  "- Your documentation no longer confuses me, old version!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: wuth@castrov.cuc.ab.ca (Brett Wuth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Distribution: world
To: bugs@commodore.com
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Subject: bug in 'execute'
Date: 15 Nov 92 04:03:26 MDT
Organization: Castrovalva is a state of mind

Here's an obscure bug report I've sent off to bugs@commodore.com.

The name of the script given to execute can be at most 79 characters.
It looks like someone used a fixed length buffer:  char filename[80];

Demonstration attached:
--------- cut ----------
14.hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem> execute hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem/AutoSetup.execute    
EXECUTE: Incorrect file name
14.hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem> execute hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem/AutoSetup.execut
EXECUTE: Incorrect file name
14.hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem> execute hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem/AutoSetup.execu
EXECUTE: Can't open hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem/AutoSetup.execu
object not found
14.hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem> rename AutoSetup.execute AutoSetup.execu
14.hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem> execute hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem/AutoSetup.execu
14.hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem> version
Kickstart version 37.175. Workbench version 37.67
14.hdisk-sup:stuff/data/wuth/career/companies/PowerStor/FileSystem> which execute
RES execute
--------- cut ----------

Cheers,
-- 
Brett Wuth  wuth@castrov.cuc.ab.ca BCWuth@uncamult.bitnet wuth@castrov.UUCP
U302, 3510 44St SW, Calgary, Alberta, T3E 3R9, CANADA  Tel: +1 403 242-0848

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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Programming
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:30:58 GMT

Quoth <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>:

]> >Uh - I call not being able to use my commodites sacrificing
]> >versatility. Could you please write an AMOS program that lets the
]> >standard system commodites work, so I can see that this can be done?
]> >After all, it should be easy.
]> 
]> I assume you are being sarcastic. Anyway, commodities are a heap of
]> shit. Run PM (Mike Sinz's performance monitor) on a 68000 Amiga before
]> and after loading a commodity. It sucks several % of the CPU time for
]> nothing! One of the reasons I wrote my own mouse/screen/etc utility

Yahoo.  Whee.  Big deal.  But seriously, folks... just because of your personal
opinion of an INTEGRAL part of the OS is no excuse for making it impossible
to use it.  I personally don't like the look and feel of ASL, but I use it
bacause it works and is supported.  If someone wrote a util that flamed my
system whenever I used an ASL requestor, s/he'd get it a righteous flaming
from me.  Besides, you're not really specific here... ANY comoddity?  CX?
Give me a few examples, if I ever feel the need to I'll check it out...

]> >Try asking your CS teacher (or me; I used to teach the stuff) about
]>                  ::          :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
]> >poking the hardware directly, or complying with interface guidelines.
]> 
]> That doesn't surprise me. You fit the CmpSci stereotype to a T.

Oh, please.  Let's keep this stereotyping felgercarb in .advocacy where it
belongs.

]> If AMOS isn't good for beginners, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE HELL IS.
]> I suppose you think beginners should first obtain a PhD in CmpSci,
]> then buy all the RKMs and program the Amiga in LISP. Riiiight.

Personally, AMOS is a good beginner's language to learn simple programming
techniques on, as is Arexx.  And, so far, Arexx has produced far more useful
utilities than Amos has -- for myself, that is.

I even go as far as to maintain an AMOS section on my BBS.  And I've been
begging my Amos-using callers to upload something more useful than "this ten-
liner shows you how to..."  Well, give it a few years, I suppose... 
-- 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@*************************************************
Jeff Grimmett [SuperBitMap BBS]          * fido!1:202/1401.0 [619-460-7290]
jeff_grimmett@f1401.n202.z1.fidonet.org  * jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
 The opinions expressed in this message are thoughtful, reasoned, and logical.
      	It goes without saying that they are not those of my employer.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: karkan@msdrl.com (Jim Karkanias)
Subject: FOR SALE: Manuals
Organization: Merck Research Laboratories
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 22:32:48 GMT

The following manuals are for sale:

4	Amiga Hardware Reference
		Third edition (latest; includes A500 to A3000)

1	X-Window Tech ref manual

1	Real World PostScript

1	The NeXT Book


Please respond via email and say whether you're paying shipping or not. 
All books are in excellent shape (brand new).


Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jepaul@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Darth Jason)
Subject: Re: WB 2.1.
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:46:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.205828.25523@sol.UVic.CA> teece@sol.UVic.CA () writes:
>This list of 2.1 features mentions improved floppy drive use.  I had the 
Paula.  I hope they do it soon!
>drives so 3rd party fixes like HDFixer would no longer be needed. Can 






>on the hard drive whereas others have everything in ROM. (Did I get that



> 
>
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:20:08 EST
Reply-To: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Organization: Lakes Public Access

eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown) writes:

> Not necessarily.  Any number of courts have rendered decisions that give
> intellectual "property" exactly the same status as physical property.  If
> they didn't, we would not need to copyright books, films, magazines, etc.
> not to mention tossing out the entire area of patent law.
> 

Paten law has _nothing_ to do with copyright law, and as for court 
decisions, well, they seem to know very little about computers and the 
computer society.  It is not reasonable to treat copyright infringement 
as theft.  While there should be some way of protecting intellectual 
property (argh!  I _hate_ that term...), treating it as theft is not the 
answer, as theft is different in that it deprives someone of his product 
in addition to any anticipated income.  There needs to be some median 
between the extremes of destroying someones'a life and letting him go 
scott free.

> You seem to be saying that taking a program and then doing absolutely
> nothing with it is harmless.  That's probably true... as far as it goes.
> Needless to say, few people who pirate programs do so just so they can then
> toss them into a box, never to see the light of day.  Much more often, the
> program gets used, shared with friends, traded for other "warez", or even
> sold... complete with photocopied docs.  :-/

Hmm, I think you'd be surprised at just how many people are 'collectors', 
i.e. they just want the latest 'ware' to have it, and really don't look 
at it very often at all.  It sits in a box gathering dust along with 
hundreds of other, equally useless disks.  Even so, I did not say that 
piracy wasn't harmful, I merely stated that the terms used to define it 
need to be reconsidered.  As usual, this brings the net.zealots out in 
droves to cram my mailbox full of hate mail.  Sheesh, some of these guys 
are as rabid as the damned revisionists!  ;)
> 
> 
> * Edward E. Brown II             * Internet: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com *
> * Chemist On A Mission From GOD! * FidoNet:  1:105/135               *
> *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
>                Annoy the media...THINK for yourself!
> ==============================================================
From: johnv@acix.DIALix.oz.au (John Verhoeven)
Subject: Re: FEDERATION AGAINST STEFAN BOBERG (& other pirate stuff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:35:40 WST
Organization: ACix - Private UUCP Node, Cloverdale, Western Australia.

Jeff Hanna (sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
> In article <johnv.03kx@acix.DIALix.oz.au> johnv@acix.DIALix.oz.au (John Verhoeven) writes:
> >Reminds me of Discovery Software (remember Marauder, one of the first
> >disk copiers) after they starting putting out games (Arkanoid etc) they
> >stopped doing anything to Marauder...
>
> My brother worked for Discovery for a while.  They were not a cracking group
> gone good.  Discovery was actually a very respectable programming house.  It is

I did not mean to imply otherwise.  It was an illustration of how peoples
& firms attitudes change when they start branching out into other areas.

> Unfortunately Discovery wasn't able to handle the rapid expansion that occured
> after Sword of Sodan started raking in big bucks for them.  Things started
> sour, and eventually they folded.

Books I have read say that that's the hardest trick, going from a small
company to a largish one.  Often the firms original founders do not have
the required skills to manage the transition.  Either they find someone
who has or go under...

--

John Verhoeven                        johnv@acix.DIALix.oz.au      _--_|\
Treasurer, Amiga Developers           (ALT: johnv@DIALix.oz.au)   /      \
Association of Western Australia      Phone: (+619) 478 1406      *_.--._/

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
Subject: Re: Ok, let's debug: Enforcer, MungWall, mungmungmung...
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:52:24 GMT

In article <CS430117.92Nov14110325@suze.ucs.usl.edu>, cs430117@ucs.usl.edu (Castor Christian A) writes:
>In article <Bxoo38.JDv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>
>>   I once tried to use Enforcer, but it was so cryptic.  First of all, I
>>   find it useless to actually REQUIRE Enforcer to output to SER: or PAR:.
>>   SER: I have no other Amiga, PAR: What a waste of paper.  And when I did
> 
>Have you tried using the program Sushi? It traps and redirects the
>output of programs such as Enforcer to a window instead of SER: or PAR: .
>It's in one of the recent Fish Disks.

Enforcer V37 will let you output hits to stdout or a file.

Terje Marthinussen
terjem@stud.cs.uit.no
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