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From: tmavor@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Timothy Mavor)
Subject: Re: Jose Canseco to Texas...
Reply-To: tmavor@earthview.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:31:28 GMT

tedward@cs.cornell.edu writes:


>Yes, both Russell and Sierra are free agents.  Witt and Canseco are
>not.  I believe that after the most recent salary inflation, Sierra
>will get paid *more* than Canseco.  And, IMHO, Canseco is the better
>player.

>Oakland helped their cause this year, but the future looks very grim.
			    ^^^^^^^^^

I'm not too sure about this.  As ESPN pointed, Sierra is out for 7-10 days with
the chicken pox.  McGwire is still out.  The A's seem to be lacking a power hitter
for the next week or so.  If Sierra is healthy and able to play NOW, then I would
agree with this trade as helping NOW.  I do think this trade will help come
playoff time. 

But (there always is!) the A's had things going their way, and the Twins/White Sox
where fading away.  If Sierra is out, and the A's do not have the punch in the
middle of the lineup, it could let the others close in during that time.  It's
great to look forward towards the playoffs, but you have to get there first.
I think this trade puts that in question, at least for now.


>Cheers,
>-Valentine
 
Tim

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer)
Subject: Re: Red Sox poll?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:33:20 GMT

farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>gan@igc.apc.org (Global Action Network) writes:

>>In retro, I think the Sox are the only team in baseball who 
>>only need to protect two players, Clemens and Viola, in the 
>>upcoming draft.

>Jody Reed, too.

Hasn't Jody said that he won't resign with the Red Sox when his contract
is up?  If that's the case, then I don't know if I would protect him.

-- 
jspencer@world.std.com     * Jeffrey Spencer, Dartmouth '91
"That all depends. What does the Secretary of the Interior do?" "Drink, gamble 
and supervise public executions of anyone who speaks out against my 
administration." "Mr. President, I humbly accept this great honor."
From: mckinney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Patrick Mckinney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Blue Jays - Cut in half
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:01:19 GMT
Reply-To: mckinney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Patrick Mckinney)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
 s antagonistic

shorts, (I fear flames)  the following opinion is added...


WE, THE FANS OF THE ORIOLES OF BALTIMORE, ARE WATCHING WHAT IS BEING
KNOWN AS THE ANNUAL MIGRATION SOUTH OF THE BLUE JAYS. THEY ARE
ABOUT TO LOSE POSSESSION OF FIRST PLACE; WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE NOW CALLING
THE "CANADIAN CHOKE"....


insert flames here......


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Go Baltimore

Patrick McKinney
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From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:18:36 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:

->AMERICAN LEAGUE MVP....

->Fielder.....to make up for the last two years!
  ^^^^^^^
->still leading in RBI's
		   ^^^^^
->up there in homers
->Not the same year as the last two, but dammit...he should be rewarded!

Here we go again.....

Steve 'Average' Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets trade Cone
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:40:29 MST
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Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <$garyf.4.0@sasb.byu.edu>, $garyf@sasb.byu.edu (Gary B. Fitzgerald) writes:
> Okay -- so what's the deal with the Mets throwing away their last bit of 
> remaining talent.  Cone has been traded to the Jays for a rookie third 
> baseman and a player to be named later.  Someone please help me understand 
> Mets management.

Easy.  They prefer injury-plagued Bret Saberhagens and over-the-hill big-rep
Dwight Goodens to consistent David Cones.  :-)

No, seriously, I think the Mets owners are trying to hold the line on salaries
once and for all.  The consequences of all those high-priced big-name acqui-
sitions of 1988-92 are coming home to roost, forcing the Mets to let go of a
good free agent they can't sign.

That's the only way I can explain it.  Toronto came out way ahead.
-- 
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f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Brave fans
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:23:33 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) wrote:
}
[Re: Bob Horner's 4 HR game]

}The great thing about that game was that the Expos still won the game even 
}though Horner had the four runs by a score something like 9-6. I think all his 
}homers were solo shots ...

If I recall correctly, the final was 11-8, and Horner knocked in all 8 runs 
with his homers.  (I had the simultaneous pleasure and displeasure of
attending this one.)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

     "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"
From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Help from the Westcoasters, pleeease?
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:12:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Anyone out there have a box score for Tuesday's Seattle - Boston game?
Even some number on Brian Fisher's preformance would be helpful.

Still no newspaper in America's "most liveable city" and I'm going NUTS!

Paul 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: russ@prism.gatech.EDU (Russell Shackelford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Quote
Summary: Charlie Eckman
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:46:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug30.005019.8436@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bv789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jane K. F. Evslin) writes:
> 
> 
> What is the quote about great plays and South Pacific?
> And who said it?
> 
> --Clueless
>

To the best of my knowledge, it was first said by one Charlie Eckman,
the only guy to have been both an NBA ref and an NBA head coach.
I believe he took the (then) Fort Wayne Pistons to a championship.

His arch-enemy was Red Auerbach (sp?) of Celtics fame.  Eckman is
more working-class in manner and philosophy and was scornful of
Red's tendency to put coaching on the same plane with nuclear
engineering.  Mainly to annoy Red, Charlie would say things like:

"What's to coach?  They give me 2 All-Stars and 5 All-Americans
and I'm gonna tell them how to play ball?" 

and, when asked about strategy:

"There's only 2 plays I like: "South Pacific" and "thru the hoop."

When I last heard of Eckman, he was doing sports commentary on a
Baltimore radio station.

But, that was years ago....

russ

-- 
Russell Shackelford
College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA, 30332
russ@cc.gatech.edu         (404) 894-9217
From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:32:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.24551
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

->Cheers,
->-Valentine

->Make outs, not walks!                              tedward@cs.cornell.edu
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A convert!  Welcome to the fold, my son.

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Kreuger trade & a though on Witt
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:24:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20027
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

TK, it seems was fed up with Krueger, but I do not understand as
to why he traded him. He could have used him as a releiver.
Anyway....Krueger was a source of frustration for the Twins,
this past 1 month.

S.H
Forever Twins
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:06:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Sanders to stay with Braves
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, mard@quads.uchicago.edu (Adrian N. Marden) writes:

> 	Incidentally, Deion (although I think he's great) will not have nearly
> as much of an impact on the Braves as one would think from all of the articles,

Especially not if the Braves continue to refuse to play him regularly.

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From: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Subject: Orioles get Craig Lefferts
Reply-To: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 05:39:13 GMT


In the shadows of the BIG trade, the O's obtained Craig Lefferts for a
minor leaguer (forgot who, sorry) and a PTBNL.

Wonder if Lefferts will go to the pen.  He might be wearing thin as a 
starter.

The O's won their third straight shutout tonight (Rhodes, Sutcliffe,  
Mussina).


-- 
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JHU School of Med.			I've made." --Dan Quayle
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rkidwell@stsci.edu (Richard C. Kidwell,mgr)
Subject: Re: OMIGOD...it's the Ninth Deep Drive Derby Update!! (long, tall, wide)
Originator: rkidwell@slash.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:11:11 GMT

From article <21406@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, by rhemler@ems.cdc.com (Bob Hemler):
> (lots of lines deleted)
> |> "Big Bang" McDonald
> |> "Big Mac" McDonald
> |> "Do Fries Go with that Shake?" McDonald
> |> Ben "Galvanek" McDonald
> |> 
> |> We aren't convinced that one of these is really the best one, and, no,
> |> we won't tell you who suggested "Galvanek" or what the warped reasoning
> |> behind it was.
> 
> How about: Ben "Tater Farmer" McDonald
> 		or Ben "dover and watch it" MacDonald
> 		or "What hap" Ben MacDonald?
> 		
> 		(Lots more deleted> 
> 
In the O's tradition of "Smackie" Milacki, can we not crown him:
Ben "Smack"Donald

rck

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  >>>>>>>> .sigs are so tired, they expose the rookies instantly <<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:23:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.172239.27782@julian.uwo.ca> heartlab@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Heartlab People) writes:

>The Jays already have a back-up catcher up in the majors. They have of
>course Pat Borders and Eddy Sprague, but they also have Randy Knorr. In
>fact, he (Knorr) has been playing just as much as Sprague has in the
>past few weeks. So, if the Jays do in fact ship Sprague of to the Mets
>with Jeff Kent, their lack of players in the catching position is
>already solved.

Not quite.  Knorr is on 15-day DL.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman)
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:08:53 GMT


In article <1992Sep2.170300.28701@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes...
> 
>>	You're right about defense and running ability, but I was solely 
>>	arguing RBI ability.
> 
>Great.  Now argue that there is such a thing.  Seems to me that Fielder's
>"RBI ability" is in fact composed of his power hitting (great in 90, good
>in 91, mediocre this year) plus the on-base ability of the guys ahead of 
>him.  He wouldn't have 110 RBI playing for the Mets...

Let's worry about the trait more so than its magnitude.  No one will argue 
that the team around Fielder is greatly to his advantage...

In 1991 Fielder hit .289/.392/.601 (26 HR) with runners on base, 
.236/.303/.433 (18 HR) with the bases empty in a comparable number of
plate appearances.  Even though Cecil is an obvious liability as a
table-setter, on his team and in his role you've got to like those splits.
That's where the 133 RBIs came from as much as anything.  No, the scoring
position numbers aren't as good as those of some other players, but when
you hit the ball in the seats you don't much care what bases the guys
scoring in front of you came from-- and Cecil's hitting them with men on
at a significantly higher rate than with the bases empty. 

Through 1991 for his career those numbers are .275/.374/.548 ROB versus 
.249/.319/.508 bases empty, and the trend appears to be continuing again
this year.  If Cecil is eating up outs and killing potential rallies, at
least he doesn't appear to be doing it excessively so with men on (not
with that .374 OBP).  I can certainly live with that bases empty/men on 
trade-off.

Instead of telling us how much better other players would be doing than 
Fielder based on simulations, how about telling us when Fielder's going to 
start performing as the simulations expect?  Three years in a row and it's 
not happened yet...

---
Glenn Waugaman
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton, MA
g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com
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From: du@CPSC.UCALGARY.CA (Kevin Du)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: AL Rookie of the Year
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:12:22 GMT

I have a simple question:

Does Dave Fleming of the Seattle Mariners have a chance of winning the
American League Rookie of the Year award?  I'm a fan of him, but most of
the people I've asked has said Pat Listach will probably win if everything
continues the way they have so far.

Also, why is Mike Mussina ineligible?  I don't recall him pitching a lot
last season.

Thanks.

Kevin
du@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
From: cc007001@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Home Run Rule: Lind's Hit in Dodger-Pirate Game
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:01:17 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

>In article <1992Aug25.183506.7082@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
>> charly@hal.COM (Charly Rhoades) writes:
>>>the ball
>>>was batted off the outfieled wall, and as it was coming down off the
>>>wall, the outfielder inadvertantly knocked the ball (with his hand
>>>or glove) back up and over the wall.
>> 
>>>It was ruled a double at the time.  Any comments?
>> 
>> /*
>>  * a ball that bounces off the wall is no longer a fly but a bounding
>>  * ball.  so, if it goes over the wall, it is a ground rule double.
>>  */
> 
But then wouldn't a ball that hits the fence and bounces over the wall
untouched also be a bounding ball and not a fly ball and thus a ground
rule double?

Doug Saunders
cc007001@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mfrancis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Ma. Elena Y. Francisco)
Subject: Re: Little League WS semis
Reply-To: mfrancis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:47:29 GMT

farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:

>>Since this is rec.sport.BASEBALL, I thought I'd post something on the
>>LLWS American championship. The team from Long Beach, CAL beat the team
>>
>>They will play Santo Domingo, Dominincan Republic who beat the
>>Phillipine team.

pfferrei@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ferreira) writes:
>Are you sure about this?  I heard on the news last night that the 
>Phillipines beat the D.R. 5-1....

It was in the round-robin tournaments where Santo Domingo defeated
Zamboanga City.  In the game that Ferreira refers to, from what I heard,
the pitcher for Z.C. had a perfect game going until it was broken ...
don't remember when it was broken though.  So, it will Long Beach
vs. Zamboanga City in the Little League World Series.

Go Philippines!!!

Lyn

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From: ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Perfect Baseball Weekend
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:07:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Well it is time to thank all of you who responded to my requests
for minor leagues schedules earlier in the summer.  As a result,
my father and I were able to take the 'perfect' baseball weekend.

Early in June, my wife, daughter, and I took a weekend and made a
trip to the Field of Dreams in Dyersville Iowa.  That trip was made
possible by the fact that many people out in net-land responded
to my request for information about the field.  Well anyway, except
for the malls closing at 5:00 in DuBuque (my daughter was the
one really upset) it was a great weekend.

As a result of that weekend, I decided to take my father to the
field for "a catch".  I got to thinking about how to make the trip
better.  I knew there were a few minor league teams in the area
or on the way to and from the field.  It turned out that the 
Rockford Expos were in town the weekend that we went and were
playing the Cedar Rapids Reds.

We took off for Dyersville early Saturday morning (from Lafayette
Indiana) and arrived at our hotel in Dubuque at 2:30.  We then
checked in and headed to the field.  We stayed for about 3 hours.
This time there, I took a sample of the left field corn dirt.
We played some catch, took some pictures, and took in the spirit
of the field.  The only disappointment for my dad was that the 
corn was actually real corn and not the home for Shoelss Joe.

The next morning, we took off for Rockford and the game.  The game
wasn't until 5:00 that night, but I had found out that there was
a baseball card show at the hotel we were going to be staying, so 
we decided to spend the afternoon looking for cards that we needed.

The card show was a big success for both of us.  I'm trying to 
complete the 1957 Topps Brooklyn Dodger team.  I found 3 more cards
including a Roy Campenella that I needed. (I traded a '65 Bob Uecker)
I also found a lot of the 76, 77, 78 cards that I needed.  I picked 
a couple more Thurman Munson cards (all I need now is his rookie card
and the 2 cards from 1972).  My Dad only collects Cardinal cards.
He was able to find all of the cards he need to finish his sets from
1978 - present.  He also has each of the World Series teams since
1964.

Next we took off for the game between the Expos and Reds.  The game was
a good pitchers duel won by the Expos in a come from behing 4-2 victory.
We were able to see Keith Kessinger.  My highlight was watching how a 
professional 2-man umpire crew works.  I umpire high school age baseball
and use the 2-man crew, so it was fun and imformative to watch.

All in all it was a great weekend for baseball junkies.

later,
			---Mark
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 12:09:28 CDT
From: jwk <U45003@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: What happened to Grebek?
 <0095FB77.5727E4C0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>

Actually, he broke his foot.
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: criteria for THE HALL
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:05:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92248.110546ENVIRON
 <1992Sep4.171451.11500@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep4.171451.11500@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU
(Roger Lustig) says:
>>2. He should put up some impressive career numbers: 300 wins, 400 - 500
>>hr, 3,000 hits etc or in the neighborhood.
>
>How many such numbers?  Also, is Ozzie going to do this?  Everyone can
>come up with one or two nice numbers; which ones should we pick?  And
>should the numbers be the same for shortstops and catchers and first
>basemen?  That doesn't sound right.

     Maybe as long as the career numbers considered aren't necessarily
offensive stats it's semi-reasonable.  Ozzie's got about a dozen straight
gold gloves, about a dozen straight All-Star starts, and just recently
got his 2,000th hit (not bad for someone considered the best at his
position for defensive reasons)...

Brett
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: Boston Rex Sox Uniform - JRY - what does it mean?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:35:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

What does "JRY" above the black line on the right shoulder mean?


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From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ending streaks (was Re: Longest On-Base Streaks? )
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:42:21 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Aug28.054503.22286@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
>f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>A pitcher can snap a hitting streak by not throwing anything
>>close to a batter.  Wussy. 
>
>not necessarily -
>10.24 (b) a consecutive-game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the
>player's plate appearances (one or more) result in a base on balls, hit
>batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt.

While you are entirely correct, I think what Greg meant was that after
retiring a batter once, the pitcher could then walk him the next few
times up to end the hitting streak.   A very Wussy thing to do.

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