From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Keira E. Hauk, not so silent holocaust for logic!
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:40:18 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <Nov.19.11.14.25.1992.12839@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
hauk@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Keira E. Hauk) writes: 

>I just galnced through this group for the first time, and I sense a lot of
>hostility...You can all beat me down however you want, but it is nothing
>compared to the silent holocaust going on every day in this country.

Which silent holocaust is that?  The 17% of Americans living in
poverty?  The more than 25% of American children living in poverty?
Please be more clear.

> For all those out there who have had an abortion or are considering it:  YOU 
>MADE THAT CHOICE BEFORE YOU GOT PREGNANT!

Are you suggesting that women need to make a choice about abortion
before knowing they are pregnant?  This seems silly.  Why not just
choose after you become pregnant and base the choice on the actual
circumstances of *that* pregnancy.

>  Ok, excluding that small percentage
>of rape victims who get pregnant.  But for the majority, don't tell me about 
>your freedoms of choice.  You made that choice the moment you had sexual 
>intercourse.

Warning, warning: Illogic alert: Consensual sex == Consensual pregnancy???

>  What CHOICES did that baby have?  

What baby are you talking about?

>And how can you tell me when
>life begins?

Life on this planet began billions of years ago.  What's your point?

>  Can you prove to me that life doen't begin until birth?  Can you
>define life? 

Who said life does not begin until birth?  The fact that a /z/e/f/ is
alive is irrelevant to my position on abortion.  The right to choose
abortion is based on the belief that the mother's right to make
private choices about how her body will be used outweights the right
of a /z/e/f/ to occupy her body and draw sustenance from it.  No child
is allowed to use its parent's body against their will.  Why should a
/z/e/f/ be given this special right?

>What about the man.  He's not always the one to push for the abortion.
>Doesn't he have his choices also?  Or do you also want the right to
>control his sperm?  

Who said men always favor abortion?  The man also has choices: Let's
talk about the one most analogous to a woman's right to choose.  A
father can refuse to donate blood, tissue, or organs to support the
life of his child.  What does sperm have to do with abortion?  I
believe it is a /z/e/f/ that is removed not sperm.

> These are just few of my many thoughts...

I guess you had to get them out before they caused a malfunction.

>And I must note that I
>wouldn't be able to voice these thoughts if my birthmother had opted
>to have an abortion instead of giving me up for doption in Bogota,
>Columbia!

Your from Colombia and you can't even spell it?  None of us would be
here if our mothers had aborted us.  We also wouldn't be here if our
mothers had decided to sleep alone on a particular night.  What's your
point?

>Also, I am a woman, if that makes any difference to you.

I didn't know men had a such corner on foolishness that it was
necessary to declare your gender.

SJM

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