From: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: Labrador Retriever puppies (*very good ones*)
Reply-To: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:12:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.221337.29681@u.washington.edu>, 
		rabbits@carson.u.washington.edu (Adolf Maas) writes:
-
- Folks- This has got to be the most ridiculous chain I have ever seen- The
- quotes with the " >" in them are from somebody who took over when God died.

...

- Please, do us all a favor, get a life.  This is the real world out here,
- so, at least once in a while, step out of your "own private Idaho" and see
- how the world really functions.  I obtained my dog, whom I love dearly,
- from a person who had bred their dogs, mostly for the experience.  No,
- they didn't line up buyers all in advance, but why should they have to? 
- They were quite successful in finding good homes for all of them, and then
- followed it all up by having their bitch spayed.  Should rabbit breeders
- find buyers for a whole litter before their does whelp?  Or snake breeders
- before their clutches hatch?  It really is pretty silly to expect
- something like that, unless it is someone's career, and they have been
- doing it for years so that they have both the experience and the
- reputation to BE ABLE TO FIND BUYERS/HOMES IMMEDIATELY.  Incidently, I
- would much rather see "puppies/kittens forsale/free" than have them toted
- down to the pound and have them housed and put to sleep at the taxpayer's
- expense.  I'm sure that the "ideal world" that you are envisioning is very
- nice, but is terribly impractical.  And to compare a SLIGHTLY (they are,
- after all, trying to find homes for the dogs, rather than letting them
- free or killing them) irresponsible dog breeder to the likes of Reagan,
- the Pope, Stalin or Hitler (I can't believe than any half-intelligent
- person would use them in the same context- maybe they aren't all that great,
- but they aren't comparable) has to be one of the most inane comments I
- have ever read or heard, except from the doomsdayer preaching on the street
- corner.  Jan, if you get so riled up on such a trivial issue as this, I'd
- hate to see what your attitude is on something really serious-  You'd
- probably ignore it, right? 
- 
- 	Jan, now that you've had your chance to preach to all of us how
- great you and your thoughts are, shut up.  I don't think you've convinced
- anyone, except yourself, perhaps, and you're just wasting everyone's
- resources.  I'm really laughing- not with you, but at you.  By the way,
- your mother didn't want you, did she?

The sure sign that someone can't refute an article: he belittles the
poster's thoughts, and questions her veracity, and tells her to shut up.

The fact remains, Adolf, that *almost* all reputable breeders do
have homes lined up in advance for most of their puppies, while
few of the backyard breeders do.  Backyard breeders and puupy mills
are the reason that some breeds, such as cockers or GSDs, have been
so traumatized over the years.  These people don't care what they
produce, they don't care about improving a breed, they care about
having puppies for one reason or another.

Jan's thoughts and ideas are quite common in the dog world, myself
included.  Chris Barnes regularly espouses his view that labradors
should be used *only*as*hunting*dogs*, and is quite vehement about
that, as a matter of fact, and yet has produced a litter of puppies
with no homes.  But I'm sure that he is going to ensure that all of
his pups go to hunting dog families.

I'd speculate that the reason Chris did not post to rec.pets.dogs
was that if he had, he'd surely have gotten the recpetion there that
he got from Jan here, and that might ruin his hunt-dog image.
Of course, I can only assume, and you know what I'm liable to get
when I do that.

--
Jeff Baron
jbaron@gauss.ssc.gov
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