From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey... (just an opinion)
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:48:05 GMT
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In article <1dek0uINNqqa@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

   It is?  I guess that leaves open the possibility that you did...  I
   wonder why.  I'll leave it at that...

Yes it leaves open all possibilities. But I didn't object to those
and I am not objecting to the survey. This whole discussion also
leaves open the possibility that you are objecting to the survey
simply because you didn't think of it.

   No, why, did you?  Clearly, as I have said above, the "SCB awards" do
   not qualify as fingerpointing for the simple reason there were enough
   smileys and other obvious indications of humor attached to have made
   the whole exchange be nothing other than a playful joke.  An organized
   survey requesting every individual to list their likes and dislikes
   falls in a different category entirely.

Of corse Shakil Waiz Ahmed said that the SCB awards do not qualify as
fingerpointing because of the smilies. Zunaid, and others, shame onyou
for not adding smilies.

   The context was there if you would care to look at the original
   message.  And if you would be kind enough to look at the full message
   that you are quoting (but as usual, conveniently cutting out the relevant
   parts), you will find the context repeated.

Whatever I cut is always the relevant portions.

   > What an
   > individual posts may improve the quality of scb.  Of course such an
   > improvementwould be a violation of the "spirit of scb". 

   It would?  Why?

Because you say so remember? Of course you take your lessons well from
Ronald Reagan.

   > >The point here
   > <some stuff deleted next paragraph "out of context" There I saved
   > Shakil from writing it>

   Good Saif, you're outdoing yourself today.  To ensure that what you
   say is indeed "out of context," you go through the effort of
   *deleting* the context and then proceed to repeat yourself anyway.

Well I always out do others so why not outdo myself.

   > The point is taken. My point is this. The survey could not have done
   > any more harm than the scb awards could have done. 

   Clearly, as is often the case, your point is wrong.  There was no
   official air about individuals posting a few jokes under the "SCB
   awards" category.  But an organized survey which requests replies from
   everyone is a very different matter indeed.  Such a survey gives off
   the illusion of an official mandate which is nonexistent.  

Only Shakil Waiz Ahmed's points are correct. Thats why, folks he has
the Waiz as his middle name. 

   > It may not do any good other than to satisfy the authors curiosity. 

   It probably *will* do no other good than that.

O.K. So what? So what if it does no other good.

   > As for improvements,
   > why worry about the authors authority to implement any improvements
   > when they don't have the capability to do so.

   I worry about the false image of authority it seems to present.  And
   given all this, I simply don't see the point behind it.  That's why I
   choose to abstain.  You obviously disagree, and you are free to
   participate in that and any other surveys.  I am merely stating my
   reasons for not filling out this survey.

Are you under the impression that scbites are complete morons or
something, that as soon as someone posts a survey people will think
them gods.

Saif
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| | Saifuddin Ahmed                                                        |
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