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From: wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:48:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.171844.28389@cbnews.cb.att.com> chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
>	In reference to the Washington Redskins Worst/Best, I feel
>one of there BEST aquisitions was Ernest Byner from the Cleveland Browns!
>I'm not sure how they got him, (via trade, waiver, ect..), but he is a
>great asset to the Skins! I am a Cleveland Browns fan, and will never
>forget "The FUMBLE", but will always wonder what would have been had he
>stayed. Guess I'll never know. I am glad to see he got his ring, and that
>BIG MONKEY off of his back!!!
>
>- Dan
>  Goooooooo Browns
>
>
	Where have you been Dan? Cleveland picked up Hall of Famer
	to be Mike Oliphant! 


	-EDJWI
	 Go DAWGS!
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo outguns Pittsburgh
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:53:19 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <MezTruK00VAt9KIVIM@andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>While the pass to the extra tackle was just bad d by the
>Steelers (and a good call by the Bills),

the play is used by the bills about 10 timnes a season and i have
never seen it defensed sucessfully, not bad d by the steelers... no
one in the last 3 years (at least) has defensed it...

jason
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: LT's off field reputation
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:57:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Yes you are right about LT's background of course. However, is he any
different from people like Michael Jordan (who lost big money in gambling
and then said that he should've only made small bets... as if that justifies
what he is doing) or Magic Jordan (whose description of his sexual lifestyle
didn't really sound like an anti-promiscuity plea to me)?

I personally like to remember these people for their accomplishments on the
field rather than off.  The fact that they are sports figures does not entitle
the media to magnify every aspect of their personal life. I mean, come on, 
which one of us hasn't done something which may be frowned down upon?

satish nair
go giants

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rushers and a little more (top ten single season)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:36:06 GMT

<U58582@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>But does one great season make him an all-time great?
>1800+ in 12 games at 6.5 y/c is great but give Walter Paytons, Dickersons
>and OJ Simpsons a thought too (even if u go only by these stats)

How many each?


--Gidi	(go kellys, loftons, bruces)
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 17:42:52 EST
From: Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: *** VOTE *** Hear ye, hear ye!
Distribution: usa
 <2843@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> <9419@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>

In article <9419@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman)
says:
>
>WHAT FOR:  The top BUSTS and top STEALS in the NFL draft in recent years.
>
>RULES:  1)  Only 3 votes for BUSTS and 3 votes for STEALS maximum.
>
>        2)  Limit draft picks to 1980-->1992 only.  SORRY OLD-TIMERS!

I can't help but to post my list of busts... there are so many.

1991  -  Huey Richardson LB    A total and undeniable bust.
1990  -  Steve Brussard RB     Never really showed his immense potential
1990  -  Darrell Thompson RB   Doesn't have NFL moves.
1990  -  Andre Ware QB         So far - a major bust.
1989  -  Tony Mandarich OT     Yes, I am ashamed to admit it.
1988  -  Audray Bruce LB       Boy, was he a stinker (See Huey Richardson)
1988  -  Eric Kumerow DE       Classic Tweener would never found niche.

Now my favorite bust year

1987  -  Brent Fullwood RB     Went to Pro-Bowl but was a pyschopath.
1987  -  Alonzo Highsmith RB   Can he even walk after all the surgery?
1987  -  Terrance Flagler RB   I thought he never got a fair shake.
1987  -  Paul Palmer RB        Oh boy, told his team he would fumble purposely.
1987  -  Roger Vick RB         Again, I don't think he got a fair shake.
1987  -  Vinny Testerverde QB  Well, I don't think I need to elaborate.
1987  -  John Bosa DE          Injured his whole short career.
1987  -  Reggie Rogers DE      Got drunk and killed some kids.
1987  -  Kelly Stouffer QB     Well, so far he hasn't shown a thing.
1987  -  Ricky Nattiel WR      Again, injured almost his whole career.
1987? -  John Clay OT          Injury ended promising carrer.
1986  -  Reggie Dupard RB      Just plain sucked.
1985  -  George Adams RB       Never was very good.

That is a small list of percieved busts.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Subject: Vikes and the Browns.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:53:47 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Am I the only Vikes fan to also be a fan of the Browns, I'm
curious. Part of the reason is that I admire Bernie, who
though not athletically gifted, comes to me as a very
intelligent QB.  Plus the history of the team in the
NFL and also their history in the AFC-Championship games
have made them very lovable. And I will never forget
Bernie's spirited display in the game against the Dolphins
this season on Monday night Football.

Are there other Vikes' fans who feel the same way and also
are there Browns' fans that are also Vikings fans.  

Up here in the Midwest, I do not get good exposure to the
Browns. If there is a Browns mailing list, I wish to join
it.

Not to forget the torture that I will go through on Nov.22
when the Browns come in to Minnesota. I hate to see
either of them lose. IMO, the Browns need the win more than
the men in purple who are presently in a better situation
than the dogs.   

S.H
AND I SHALL FOREVER BLEED PURPLE
LOOK OUT, BERNIE'S BACK
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.football.college
From: kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Crazy & Fake Plays 
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:47:12 GMT

I remember one that Philly used a few years back when they were pretty
average.  It was like the fifth punt or so, and Buddy Ryan called for a 
fake punt.  Instead of running it, the punter simply threw the ball
way up like it was a punt towards one of the down field coverage men.  Of
course, the down field coverage guy was blocked off his feet, and pass
interference was called.  I still chuckle about that one.  Anyway, the
Eagles lost that game as I recall.  I think there was rule chanage to
outlaw this play.  Can anyone confirm that?
--
Kevin Schnitzius
kschnitzius@encore.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cardinals
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:54:17 GMT

<1992Nov6.013036.29430@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
><1992Nov4.003701.4743@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dallas is the only team with a winning record
>>that hasn't lost to a team with a losing record.
>
>1. Consider yourself corrected (Aints).

Among others.  I stand corrected.

>2. What would you infer from this?  That the Bowboys are so disciplined
>that they don't let up, or something?  At first glance, it seems like
>a "so what" stat...

Yeah, so are much of the stats presented here.  I think it points to
consistency.  Ideally most people think of great teams losing to great
teams.  You don't think of great teams losing to (no offense NE fans)
the Patriots this year.  Building up a great record against sub-par
competition is one thing, losing to them is another.  I remember a few
years back when Houston missed the playoffs with a 10-4 record (yes, it
was that long ago).  Their only four losses were Pittsburgh twice, and
I think Cleveland twice.  It speaks to the quality of the team.

But I tend to agree, at the halfway point it's not much of a stat.  Unless
of course, *your* team had in it's favor. :-)


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
From: jacobson@canopus.bucknell.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NY Jets
Date: 13 Nov 1992 16:18:22 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: canopus.cs.bucknell.edu
Keywords: \

In article <1992Nov12.051207.11262@cs.su.oz.au> allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer) writes:
>As an Australian who TRIES to keep up with the NFL/AFL I have a few questions.
>
>Am I the only Jets fan (smart comments are not welcome  ;-)   )

No, but you maybe the only one in Australia.

>Could some nice person like to give me their impressions ofthe Jets line up,
>especially the Q'back.
>He seems to have a nice pass,but little defence to protect him.

This may be overly favorable because I am a big Jets fan, but I think
they have a good team (certainly better than their 2-7 record
indicates).  Their problems this season can be traced to a young
quarterback, costly injuries, and even costlier mistakes.  They just
have a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot.

As far as the qb Browning Nagle goes, only time will tell, but I think
he will be good.  He just needs some more playing experience.  Other
players of interest on the Jets' offense:

TE Johnny Mitchell (This guy is gonna be *awesome*)
WR Rob Moore
WR Al Toon
RB Brad Baxter
RB Blair Thomas

As far as their defense, they have played pretty well, but still need
an impact pass rusher.  Also, their best defensive end, Jeff Lageman,
is out for the season.  Look for them to get help in next year's draft.

>
>Remember we get 2 hours every Sat of highlights,and I'm yet to see a game 
>in which the Jets feature (bar the round up,where we seem to get trounced 
>every show.)  
> 
>Jets for 93 ?

Probably not, but they should definitely contend for a playoff spot.
Also, if they have a good draft (and they should have a good pick),
then they might be there in a few years.
  
>Thanks in advance 
> 
>
>******************************************************************************
>* Allan Creighton "There are important matters to be resolved here *
>* Dept of Computer Science and the fear of being hanged on a
democratic * >* University of Sydney gallows will delay me until next
spring" *
>******************************************************************************


--
Douglas Jacobson		             __o                  GO METS!
jacobson@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu          `\_<,                  GO JETS!
                       __________________(*)/'(*)__________________
From: IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: KNEEL to Dallas, Beagles!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:19:47 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

i still remember 31-7. do you? although i totally convinced myself the eagles
would win...oh well, i dont mind seeing 7-1 when the 1 is the eagles.
dallas wont be forgetting game one come playoff time.
AND AGAIN I WARN DALLAS FANS NOT TO GET TO COMFORTABLE, THERE'S ALWAYS A FEW
GOOD  *SUCK*  TEAMS THAT'LL KILL THE COWBOYS.  ASK THE BILLS. ASK THE NINERS.
ASK MIAMI. FEAR DETROIT!!!  (ala mr. caps lock!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Question?
From: rx84335@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 15:27 EST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Lilly Research Laboratories
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 11

 Can someone please answer this question, it has always
 bothered me.  Whenever a lineman on either offense or 
 defense put his hands on the helmet or mask of the opponent,
 an ...ILLEGAL USE OF HANDS PENALTY, HANDS TO THE FACE...
 is called, usually a 10 yard penalty.  However, if a
 receiver or runningback running with the ball stiff arms
 a tackler in the head, that is OK.  Is this some type of
 double standard?



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:18:44 GMT

	In reference to the Washington Redskins Worst/Best, I feel
one of there BEST aquisitions was Ernest Byner from the Cleveland Browns!
I'm not sure how they got him, (via trade, waiver, ect..), but he is a
great asset to the Skins! I am a Cleveland Browns fan, and will never
forget "The FUMBLE", but will always wonder what would have been had he
stayed. Guess I'll never know. I am glad to see he got his ring, and that
BIG MONKEY off of his back!!!

- Dan
  Goooooooo Browns
From: mcp@usday32.Dayton.NCR.COM (Mike Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: TO DOLPHAN FROM BUFFALO: I LAUGH AT YOU!!!
Date: 3 Nov 92 18:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: mcp@usday32.UUCP (Mike Perkins)
Organization: Dayton Unix Tower Support Center

In article <92307.163131RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <2759@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
>says:
>>
>>In article <92307.024832RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>>>Reporter: "Who do you think is the best running back in the NFL?"
>>>>Thurman Thomas: "The running back that went to Oklahoma State".
>>>  Last time I checked, Barry Foster was leading the league.
>>
>>Obviously, you haven't checked recently enough.
>  Obviously!  Barry Foster is No. 2 - but still ahead of Thurmon Thomas!

The job of a running back is not only to run the ball, but to catch the
ball and then run, which Thurman does better then any RB in the league.
And if you check the leader in all-purpose yards you will again find 
Thurman, just like the last two years.

I'm not trying to belittle Foster, he is having a very good year.  In fact
I like this years Steelers team and I hope they continue to do well, but
Thurman Thomas is a proven player over several years.  Barry Foster is 
having ONE good year.  Maybe he will have another good year, but then again
maybe not.
-- 
Mike Perkins
NCR Corporation
Dayton, OH
mike.perkins@daytonOH.NCR.com
From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cardinals
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:37:57 GMT
Organization: NASA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b1300mac7.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1992Nov4.003701.4743@coopsol.com>, gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon 
Storga) writes:
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dallas is the only team with a winning record
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> that hasn't lost to a team with a losing record.
> 
> 
> Gordon

Okie-dokie.

-  New Orleans, losses to SF and Philly, both has winning records.
-  Philly, losses to KC, Dallas (Yeah!), and Washington, KC (don't have a 
losing  record).
_  Houston, losses to Pittsburgh (twice), and Denver
-  Denver, losses to Philly, Washington, and San Diego (same as KC)

That's five total, including Dallas (YEAH!). If we count non-winning records, 
then it's three teams. (Dallas <yeah!>, New Orleans, and Houston). 

Don't jump the gun yet...

Cowboys forever!

Of course, if Philly continues to lose, we wouldn't be able to boast about 
this... Who cares?

------------------------
       John Paul Phillips   
             "Azjohn"         
         NASA/Langley        
azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions Week 10
Keywords: computer predictions, picks
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:58:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov10.144620.28263@sarah.albany.edu> pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L) writes:
>>
>>Washington  3
>>Seattle     7

>Carl, you had some winners, although those are deleted from this response,
>but I wonder how your program can pick Seattle over Washington.


this canm almost be justified given the anemic offense of the redskins
of late and the rather good defense of the seahawks (1st in passing
defense i believe)... 

but looking at how much the predictor relied upon last years results
in games like {S.F. vs Atl} and {Dal. vs Det} I don't understand why
the lack of scoring would come into play here (also the predict of Buf
vs. Pitt.) 



jason
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: potts@tom.rtp.dg.com (Richard Potts)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:57:29 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Nov11.141555.5585@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes:
|> In article <96985@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Worst Moves(IMO):
|> 
|> Bears giving up Wilber Marshall

It's hard to put this in the category of worst...

Bears lose:  Wilber Marshall

Bears gain:  Donnell Woolford
             Wendell Davis
             a couple of million $$

IMO, this is almost an even trade.
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboy Bandwagonexit
Date: 13 Nov 1992 20:52:50 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu


>> from start to finish.  I've always loved the Dallas Cowboys.  Win or Lose.
>> 
>	Yeah, I know.  Isn't it odd how NOBODY is a bandwagon jumper, yet, I
>could not find a SINGLE Cowboy fan during the 88, 89 seasons?  

Excuse me!!!! I was here on what was then rec.sport.football all
16 painful weeks. I took all the crap every week, dont even think 
about saying NONE of us were here. Ask Joe Dakes he's a Eagles fan 
he will tell you, WE WERE HERE !

8 & 1 and having fun, deal with it !!!!

Co Cowboys !!!!

Im BACK !!!!
From: lahiff@hprdash.rose.hp.com (martin lahiff)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:40:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: KNEEL to Dallas, Beagles!!!
Organization: HP Roseville Site Main Hub
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Again, the "class" of Philly fans speaks volumes!

I don't believe the Cowboys will forget that the Eagles are a great team.
While the Cowboys should NOT forget the drubbing in Philly, let's also
remind these same Eagle fans of Dallas, Kansas City and Washington.

I also seem to remember a 7 - 3 victory over offensive/defensive powerhouse
Phoenix!  (Although the Cardinals are BY FAR the best last place team).


Go COWBOYS!

Martin...

p.s. WOOF!
From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Most important stat in the '9er/Falcon game
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:33:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

For the Falcons:

points scored:  3
turnovers:      6

Any team that turns the ball over twice as often as the *total* of their
points scored is pretty much meat.  Must be time for me to go bet on
Phoenix (underdogs????) for next week.   :-)

(Too bad MNF didn't decide to carry next weeks matchup between the '9ers
and Saints.  That's gonna be a game to watch!)

Go Niners,
Go Saints any week but next week.  :-)
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | "Don't you boys know NICE songs?"
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers |                 -- Joe's mama
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: d'mayeur@tier.key.edu
Subject: Status of T. Thomas?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:51:24 GMT

	

	Earlier in the week, I heard that Thurman Thomas had been  
sidelined in the Bills/Patriots game due to an extremely sore elbow.
  
	Does anyone know the extent of the injury, how he is progressing,  
and his status for the Bills/Steelers game this Sunday?
	
	

				Much Obliged.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BENGALS WIN !!!! WE WIN !!!
From: saji@thor.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:39:40 GMT
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept


BENGALS WIN IN AN INCREDIBLE GAME .......

Okay I am a little excited ... but why not ... 
Bengals convert a crucial 4rth and 23 to tie the game .....
Then Bengals hold the Bears in the 1st drive in OT then 
go on to score the game winning FG.

Maybe we might have a winning season now ....


Okay now which Radio is Ditka gonna be on this week ....


Aji 


Who Dey !!!!

BENGALS !!!!!!!!
-- 
  | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
  |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
  |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |
  |                                     | 			    |
From: jjungbau@gimli.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Top Ten Reasons to Go to A Seahawks Game
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:16:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov5.051646.11431
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University


Say what you will about the Hawks, but I contend that there
are many benefits to going to see them play.  Here then are
the top 10 reasons to go to a Hawks game:

From the home office in Pullman, Washington...

10. Great study atmosphere
 9. Improved Kingdome public address system
 8. None of those annoying SB or conference
    championship flags hanging around
 7. Blue and green very soothing to the eyes
 6. Don't have to shout to talk to your friend
    sitting two sections over
 5. Warm feeling you get from knowing you've been
    such a good host to opposing team
 4. No strain on vocal chords, palms, etc.
 3. Don't have to worry about those sudden home-team
    TDs that plague other stadiums, causing fans to 
    rise and spill their beer
 2. None of those heated discussions in the seats about "whether we'll
    make the playoffs," or "why we couldn't punch it in last time we
    were in the red zone"
 1. Kingdogs! 


Any additions, comments, etc. are more than welcome.

Jim
Go Vikings, Northstars!