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From: roneill@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: ROUSH/MARTIN trouble?? - And of course UNSER/500
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:56:31 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I have been away from rec.autos.sport for awhile so this
may have already been talked about.  After reading 
through the news items this morning, it does seem
appropriate to mention.  I was talking last night with
the owner of an auto shop, who told me that the
Valvaline representative was in the other day and 
mentioned that there was some friction at Roush racing
and that they Roush wanted to replace Martin as his 
driver.  According to him, Valvoline said that without
Martin, there would be no sponsorship deal, because they
prefer sponsoring a driver as opposed to a team.

With this in mind, it would be great publicity and an
excellent marketing scheme to put Unser in a car
regardless of the team or manufacturer.  

Has anyone else heard anything similar?
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From: holthous@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael andrew holthouse)
Subject: Indy 500 Simulation
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:31:09 GMT

Hello,

	Does anyone know if there is an updated version of the Indy 500
	simulator. If so, can I ftp the upgrade somewhere? Or does EA
	have an online service like MicroProse to get updates?

	I just installed a Soundblaster card, and the game I have only
	supports Ad-Lib boards and something else (Thunderboard, maybe?)

	Any info would be appreciated. 
	
	Thanx,
	-Mike.

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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: News from Motorsport aktuell #3/93 (was: News from Autosprint #52)
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:17:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Glenn Cirlincione (glenn@misty.boeing.com) wrote:
> Anyone have the scoop on McLaren's engine situation.  I see from the posted
> times that they are still using the Honda engine.
> 
> Thanks
> gvc

They've done their last test with Honda power. In future it'll be the Ford
HB, with exclusive TAG electronics.

Pete
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From: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: USA/Canadian motor racing info needed
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:59:28 GMT
Reply-To: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC

In rec.autos.sport, ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:

>I'm going to be in North America this year from April to October (approx)
>to have a holiday/do some work.  My girlfriend is working in Vancouver

More the former than the later I hope :-)

>Anyway, while I'm in Canada/USA, I thought I would go and see some motor
>racing.  This is what I would like to see (if I had lots of money) :

>     * Canadian GP

June 13th in Montreal. A bit of a trek from Vancouver I'm afraid :-(

>     * Indycars in Vancouver
>     * Another Indycar race fairly close to Vancouver

Some within an (arguably) reasonable distance from Vancouver;

April 18 at Long Beach, California
May 30 Indianapolis (not close, but quite an experience)
June 27 Portland, Oregon
Aug. 29 Vancouver
Oct. 3 Laguna Seca, California

Except for Indy, there are also same-day Indy Lights races on the above
dates/locations.

>     * A NASCAR race

There is a Winston West series, but I don't have a schedule. The Good
Old Boys (aka Winston Cup) only go west once, and that's for a road
race at Sears Point on May 16.

>     * Pikes Peak (I know very little about this)

July 4 (a holiday in the USA btw). I've never been there, but I suspect
it would be worth the visit.

A couple other events "in the area";

IMSA Camel GT @ Laguna Seca, July 25     (IMSA GT Supreme on day before)
 "    "     " @ Portland, Aug. 1         (  "  "     "    on same day)
 "    "     " @ San Diego, Cal., Sept. 5 (  "  "     "    on day before)
 "    "     ' @ Phoenix, Arizona, Oct. 10(  "  "     "    on day before)

NHRA (major league drag racing) @ Sears Point, Aug. 1
 "                              @ Seattle, Aug. 8
 "
Portland Vintage, 9-11 July

>Does anyone have any information about these events, such as ticket prices,
>where to buy tickets, good places to get a seat, cheap places to stay (e.g.
>youth hostels, backpackers, train stations, etc.), etc. ?  If anyone could
>send me any infomation, it would be most appreciated.

Sorry, but any place west of Milwaukee is a little out of my commuting
range. I'm sure the folks on the left coast can provide details for
any of the above events that you might be interested in.

I hope you get to see a bit of Canada & the USA while you're here (and
have a blast doing so). Let me know if you get east of the Mississippi.

G'day - Bill
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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda will enter the IndyCar
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:00:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
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In a previous article, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) says:

>
>I am not familiar with indycar rules as far as the technical stuff is
>concerned.  would it be possible for honda to sink in infinite amounts
>of cash and develop an engine that is more powerful than everybody
>else?  or how about one which has lower fuel consumption, thereby
>reducing the number of refueling stops and/or carrying a lighter fuel
>load?  memories of 1988 are still fresh in my head.

I was thinking the same.  But the reason they left F1 was because they
wanted to find a series that required a lower budget.
As for implementing some of the ideas they used on the Honda turbo
engines for the IndyCar engines, well they might find a way, but
remember the turbos they are working with now run on methanol not
84% toluene.
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 10:28:30 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    NASCAR stuff (Bobby Allison)

  During recent testing at Daytona the Bobby Allison owned team has the
  name Meineke(sp?) stenciled on the side of the car, Jimmy Spencer was
  driving the car. Did Bobby Allison get sponsorship from Meineke (assuming
  here this is the chain of muffler and brake shops around the country) ?
  Also on IWCR they said something about where Tim Brewer was going but
  my roomate distracted me momentarily and I missed it. Perhaps if someone
  knows they would be kind enough to e-mail that info so I can update my
  owner/driver/sponsor/crew chief/make list.
                                                  Thanks,    Mike
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From: moose@cs.mcgill.ca (James DAHAN)
Subject: test
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:25:43 GMT


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From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Subject: Re: News from Autosprint #52
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:49:43 GMT

In article 10774@neptune.inf.ethz.ch, marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert
Marti) writes:

> - Pictures of the new Ferrari F93A which looks, well, almost like
>   a Sauber C12, except that the side pods are higher.  (And of course,
>   the Farrari is RED rather than BLACK.)  The F93A will be tested at
>   Estoril in January.

Surely this designation cannot be right, particularly given the
"success" of the F92A?  /On Track/ refers to an interim, John
Barnard-designed 644B; perhaps this is what is meant?

---
Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
	Any idiot can face a crisis; it is this day-to-day living
	that wears you out.
				- Chekhov


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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Rabbit Cages
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:29:53 GMT

In article <136040003@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> blanch@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (David Blanchard) writes:
>Speaking of Satch, is he journalizing for anybody these days? His
>replacements at Autoweek are pretty dreadful.
>

As far as I know, he's still only writing occasionally for
the National BMW Club rag.....haven't seen or talked to him
since last August.

bob
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Subject: Teretonga Practice Times
From: Stuart_K_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing)
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:41:19 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Here are the practice times for the Formula Atlantics at Teretonga this
afternoon.

1  Craig Baird      Reynard 0.53.71
2  Gene Pope        Ralt    0.54.91
3 Paul Radicish     Swift   0.54.96
4 Chales Neearburg  Ralt    0.55.00
5 Greg Murphy       Swift   0.55.38
6 Jos Verstappen    Swift   0.55.35
7 Ken Smith         Swift   0.55.68
8 Stuart Crow       Ralt    0.56.01
9 James Taylor      Ralt    0.56.84
10 Chris Maxwell    Ralt    0.58.43
Baird set his time in the first practice and did not come out in the
second practice. 
The grid looks abit different from last week at Levels maybe the Kiwis
are getting into the the swing of things now. 
It looks like an interesting days racing at Teretonga the worlds most
Southern Race Track.
I hope that this helps cure the winter blues for all you in the northern
part of the world.
Stuart GRABBIT and RUN Racing
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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: News from Autosprint #52
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 03:24:50 GMT

marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
> D. Hill, Williams-Renault FW15B V10         1'03"57
> A. Prost, Williams-Renault FW15B V10        1'04"12
> J.J. Lehto, Sauber-Ilmor C12 V10            1'04"29
> K. Wendlinger, Sauber-Ilmor C12 V10         1'04"48
> P. Alliot, Larrousse-Lambo LC92 V12         1'04"65 (Sat 12/19)
> M. Andretti, McLaren-Honda MP4/7 V12        1'05"11

What has Larrouse and/or Lamborghini managed to do to transform a backmarker
into a car that can run (at least in tests) with the McLarens and Saubers?
I haven't heard any big news, so how did they managed these kinds of times?

Oh, good to see that JJ is getting used to the Sauber...

Thanks again to Robert for another great report!

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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Mansell,lap record
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:48:10 GMT

danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones) writes:

> That will be the best gauge, but I'll still be interested to hear what
> the times of other drivers testing at the same sessions are.

I still wish the "other drivers" would include

                    Prost, Senna, Alesi, and Schumacher.

-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
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Subject: New Zealand Atlantics,R1
From: educ064@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:00:25 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

The Results from the first two races of the New Zealand Formula Atlantic Series
held at Levels Raceway Timaru.
Heat 1
Stuart Crowe(Texas)Ralt RT40
Jos Verstappen(Holland)Swift DB4
Craig Baird(New Zealand)Reynard
Heat 2
Jos Verstappen
Stuart Crowe
Paul Radisitch(nz)Swift DB4
The second heat held over thirty laps was led dominantly by the Dutchman
Verstappen followed by Crowe in a lonely Second then a tremendous four car
freight train.this was led by Radisitch(Swift) followed by Gregg Murphy in A
similar car and Kenny Smith in yet another Swift followed up by Texan Charles
Neerburg(Ralt RT40).It was resolved after about 20 laps when murphy missed a
gear change letting his two followers past.
     One of the highlights of the weekend was a demonstration run of a F1
Leyton House March driven by Kenny Smith.The car sounding Glorious.
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Subject: Teretonga Atlantics.Heat 1.Results
From: educ064@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:33:52 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Educ064
Heat 1 of the Atlantic series has just been concluded at Terotonga
Invercargill.
Placings 1.Jos Verstappen(Swift)
         2.Gene Pope(USA SWIFT)
         3.Charles Neerburg(USA RALT RT40)
         4.Stuart Crowe(USA RALT RT40)
         5.Kenny Smith(NZ SWIFT)
         6.Gregg Murphy(NZ SWIFT)
The race was over 15 laps and was being led by Craig Baird when he was black
flagged at half distance for exceding the 100db noise level.New Zealands Paul
Radisich also retired with engine trouble.
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Daytona Scuttlebutt?
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:06:30 GMT

Any good news/rumors/scuttlebutt down in the
Daytona area coming out of either IMSA and/or
NASCAR testing?
From: tmbrex@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: MAZDA RX7: should I b
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:43:43 EST
Summary: tires, $$$
Keywords: Tires, big cash
Distribution: world
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <5427.1557.uupcb@spacebbs.com>, ed.hwang@spacebbs.com (Ed Hwang)  writes:
> To: rec.autos.sport
> 
>>From: 2884203EC400@sscl.uwo.ca
>>Subject: Re: MAZDA RX7: should I buy a used one??
>>Organization: Department of Economics
>>Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:06:15 GMT
> 
> [stuff deleted]
>>Of the pre 86 cars there are several important changes through the years.
>>Around 83 or 84 they changed the dash and made the interior of the car much
>>more appealing.  The engines are all essientially the same until you get to
>>the gsl-se model of 85 (i own it).
> 
> 1984 was the dash change.
> The GSL-SE was offered in 1984 and 1985.
> 
>>if you have the money, this is the model i would definately recommend.  It
>>has beutiful fifteen inch wheels (other model had ugly alloys) and an engine
>>that has 35% more power and slightly better fuel mileage than previous non
>>gsl-se models.
> 
> Factory GSL-SE came with 14 inch wheels.
> 
> -Ed

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my brother had one of these
mid-80's GSL-SE's and the tires were "bastard sizes" meaning that they fit
only this particular car. As I recall, these treads were in very short supply
and cost mega-bucks (as tires go).

			Terry Brex
			Wright State University 
			Dayton, OH  USA
                                                                                                                                         
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From: moose@cs.mcgill.ca (James DAHAN)
Subject: test
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:03:02 GMT


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From: ifenton@crc.ac.uk (I. Fenton)
Subject: ok, i'm a twit... was Re: mansell's 'dazzling' test at pheonix !
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:42:24 GMT

ok, ok, i goofed.  i didn't realise that there is more than one pheonix
raceway in the states, sorry...

1.  mansell set a time of 1min 44.8 at the firebird track, called a lap
'record' as it was the fastest time set there.  brit telly said that the
previous record was set by mario andretti just before xmas.

2.  mansell has now also been to the pheonix raceway (yup, the small oval
with lap times around 22 sec) but it was washed out, so he only went round
in a 'road' car.  they still did time him though (!) and he set a best lap
of around 50 sec.  again this is from british teletext services.

forgive my naievty (sp?) of u.s. tracks...

iain

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From: stu@mbsdev24.shearson.com (Stuart Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Al Unser Jr. to run Daytona 500 in Feb. 
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:24:50 GMT


  Al has proven in the IROC series that he can run
  with the best stock car drivers.  Dale Earnhardt has
  been quoted as saying that Al was his biggest worry
  when running in races.  This shows much respect when
  his fellow NASCAR drivers were also competing including
  Bodine and Elliot.

  Al has to be considered one of the most flexible drivers in
  motor sports
From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: ROUSH/MARTIN trouble?? - And of course UNSER/500
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:29:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1ihufaINNgsh@mirror.digex.com>, kayleigh@access.digex.com (Steve 
Gallichio) writes...

>Martin/Roush rumors are a dime a dozen...The two of them have been going
>at it for years now. Every year, it takes until about Pocono for everyone
>to put on a happy face again.

Agreed.

>Valvoline would leave Roush if Martin leaves; but Martin has a contract
>with Roush through '94, and it is very doubtful that Roush would make a
>move this late in the offseason or during the season unless he felt that he had
>a top driver to replace him. If anything does happen, it will probably happen
>in mid-season and take effect in '94.

>Remember how close Martin and Bill Davis are...

Moot point (IMHO), at least for the short term.  I think that Davis is 
about four years away from establishing a 1st Tier Winston Cup operation (I 
also think that Bobby Labonte made a bad move).  And the other relationship 
to consider is Jack Roush and Ford Motor Company (particularly SVO).  Since 
the recent resurgence of Ford teams in Winston Cup is directly tracable to 
"factory" support and the long established relationship between Roush (R&D 
_and_ racing) and Ford, Jack might have Mark by the short hairs unless Mark's 
willing to drive a bow-tie.

Then again, what do I know ?  ;-)

JD
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From: mliau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alvin K Liau)
Subject: F-1 1993 schedule
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:11:53 GMT


	I am sorry to ask this question...
but can anyone e-mail the listing for the 1993
F-1 schedule, prefably with the ESPN telecast
times (assuming ESPN is showing the races).

	Thanks.


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From: ifenton@crc.ac.uk (I. Fenton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: mansell's 'dazzling' test at pheonix !
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:04:29 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

i don't have the details here, so don't flame me if i get the figures 
wrong...

bbc's ceefax repotyed that mansell's first test in an indycar was at pheonix
(park ?), and he broke the lap record with a 1min 44.8.  he is reported to
have said that it was very dusty on the track and that he reckoned he could
go a fair bit quicker still...

i haven't seen this posted to the net yet...

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Institute of Medical Genetics           | fact are due to a missing <Del> key
University of Wales College of Medicine |====================================
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Cardiff  CF4 4XN                        |  studied anatomy and dissected at
U.K.                                    |  least one woman" - de Balzac
=============================================================================
Voice = +44 - 222 - 744049   | In 1912, Jack Johnson, the first black world
Fax   = +44 - 222 - 747603   | heavyweight boxing champion, was refused
Email = fenton@uk.ac.cardiff | permission to board the Titanic because of
   (or) ifenton@uk.ac.crc    | his colour.
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From: chip@tr.UUCP (chip ragan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: mansell's 'dazzling' test at pheonix !
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:54:27 GMT

From article <1993Jan6.110429.28011@crc.ac.uk>, by ifenton@crc.ac.uk (I. Fenton):
> 
> bbc's ceefax repotyed that mansell's first test in an indycar was at pheonix
> (park ?), and he broke the lap record with a 1min 44.8.  he is reported to
> have said that it was very dusty on the track and that he reckoned he could
> go a fair bit quicker still...
> 
  Does anybody know which track this was at?  Both Firebird and Phoenix Int. can
  be lapped at around 1min 0.0 in a F2000.  There is a testing only track at
  Firebird that they might be using.

Chip

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