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From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Subject: Neue newsgroup (war: mir reicht's jetzt)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:13:29 GMT



Hallo,

wie ich sehe, hat sich in letzter Zeit die Diskussion immer vehementer
um die deutsche Vergangenheit bezogen auf das Verhaeltnis zu den
Juden entfacht. Da viele Leute sich damit auseinandersetzen (siehe
die vielen 'postings'), scheint es viele zu interessieren. Nun gibt
es wohl auch andere, die finden, das Thema sei wohl interessant,
nimmt jedoch zu viel Platz auf soc.culture.german ein. Wie waer's
wenn man eine neue Gruppe eroeffnet (oder auch mehrere) mit dem
Namen: 	s.c.3rd_reich oder
	s.c.germans_jews oder
	s.c.we_hate_germans
usw. Es faellt sicherlich den Leuten genug ein.

Da ich schon ein geraume Weile in den Staaten lebe, waere es mir auch lieber
zu hoeren, was sich noch so in Deutschland (auch Schweiz oder Oesterreich 
falls die hier mitlesen) tut. 

Tschuess,
		Peter
From: spe2mk@thor.cf.ac.uk (Michael Kuehne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: language-practise
Summary: Would someone like to practise his/her german?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:30:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


Hi folks,
I am a 27 years old Master's student in Systems Engineering, at moment
here in Cardiff. Because my english needs improvement and practise, I
would like to have some conversation via email. Maybe, someone out there
is about to learn german and could need practise to. We could write in
both languages then. Topics could be culture, ways of life or every
thing else. 

Cheers,
Michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: psima01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Maisack)
Subject: etwas sport
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:37:55 GMT


mal wieder etwas aus den verschiedenen Bundesligen:

Handball M;

Hameln 29:13, Wallau 28:14, Essen 26:!2

F:  Luetzellinden 27:1, Bremen 24:4

Basketball M:

Sued: Bamberg, Ulm 26:16, Ludwigsburg 24:18
Nord: Leverkusen 34:6, Berlin 26:14

F: Barmen 34:2, Leverkusen 30:6

Hallenhockey M, Sued: Duerkheim 22:0, Muelheim, Limburg Frankenthal 14:8

Frauen, Sued: Ruesselsheim 18:2, Frankfurt 17:3

Volleyball M: Wuppertal 24:0, Moers 22:2

Frauen, Pokalendspiel: Berlin-Schwerin 3:2

Ringen: Goldbach besiegt Schifferstadt im Finale

Waserball: Wuppertal 14:0, Duisburg ASC 12:2, Spandau 11:1, Cannstatt 11:5

Eishockey: DEG 63:11, Koeln 51:23, Hedos 46:28

Zita Funkenhauser Meisterin im Florett
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: cabku01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Hartwig Kuehbauch)
Subject: Cezanne und Co.
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:14:21 GMT

Hallo!

Da sich in einer 'soc.culture'-Gruppe doch sicherlich viele Leute finden
lassen, die was von KUltur verstehen, haette ich mal eine ganz einfache,
vielleicht etwas naive Frage:

Was ist eigentlich exakt der Unterschied zwischen Impressionisten und Expres-
sionisten?

Ich hab da immer so meine Schwierigkeiten und erstaunlicherweise konnten mir
selbst kulturell hochgebildete Leute auch keine erschoepfende Antwort darauf
geben.

Vielen Dank im Voraus

Hartwig

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Let's hit Nazis?
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:17:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.214455.19647@husc3.harvard.edu>, abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
> In article <46309@unlisys.in-berlin.de>, stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de 
> (Christian Lampl) writes:
>> I *never* wanted to excuse anything. I just tried or should
>> I say still try to convince some people that this all
>> is not a special German behaviour (copyright 1932) like
>> some people seem to think.
> 
> Robert Greenstein>> No one else knew anything or had any responsibility, even
> members of the SS. And oh yes, some US Marines committed rape.
> 
> Laurence Godfrey>> What else can you expect from the Germans? They always blame
> someone else, it is never their fault.
> 
> These passages are written by angry people, but don't you think you provoked
> them?
> And this is just next step with a help of your logic:
> 
> Boris Kuschel>> I bet no one of you read a book that disputed the Holocaust. I
> don't blame you, because they are not let in the bookstores. Guess who is
> responsible for that? [...] Some of this "evidence" that you people spew out is
> just plain false.
> 
> You see? That will happen if you will say: "Germans now should be concerned with
> Nazism as they are concerned with US Marines raping". 
> 
I have read parts of several such books, and a number of pamphlets etc.  They
are garbage, without exception.

>> No. But I don't feel b
>> are excused (by not talking... or better... not even mentioning them.
> If you will commit a crime should I tell court names of all people who did it
> before? We are talking about Germans and Jews, why should we talk about USSR,
> China, US Marines, Cambodia, England at the same time?
>> fore? We are talking about Germans and Jews. Why should we talk about USSR,
> China, US Maines, Cambodia, England of 19-th century at the same time? I am not
> triing to compare, I just don't understand why?
> *Sigh*

Agreed - no court would modify its sentence because the accused is able to provide
a long list of others who have committed the same crime.  Come now Victor, I
think you do understand why our friend wants to keep talking about atrocities
committed elsewhere.

Now that this thread has plateaued (or bottomed out if you wish), we start
to see rather too clearly where the two sides are coming from, and I am no
longer having the slightest difficulty in demonstrating that my original
allegations were indeed correct.

Laurence
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: test, ignore
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:05:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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test, ignore
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; Desperetly Seeking [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:54:31 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous

>On behalf of my unwed sister and his baby, I'm looking for a person by the 
>name of M. Roohol-Amini.  If you know him or of his whereabouts, please 
>contact me immediately.


>There is a $5000 dollar award for this.

>Blade-Runner,

If you are serious about this $5000, I'll tell you where he is.  

I recieved an e-mail from him this morning  from Denver and
called him 10 min's ago.  

Also, tell me how he looks and give me more info about him, like
what his first name is.   I already know 3 people with this initial.

Mojtaba

 
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From: s5ubxh@fnma.COM (Behrooz Hadavi)
Subject: Re: *** Shahram Nazeri Concert, Colombus, Ohio
Reply-To: s5ubxh@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:57:34 GMT

>>>I have heard a rumor that this concert is being sponsored by
>>>the elements of the regime. Is there any truth to this? I
>>>have been also told that in LA this was exposed and the
>>>concert was boycotted. Can anyone from LA either confirm or
>>>deny this? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>      And even if there was no such rumor, you are making it now! It
>>      certainly won't kill anybody to lie!
>>   
>> Mohammad
>> 
>>    P.S- What happened to your signature? ( Asghar, or something!)
>
>       Thanks Mohammad.
>
>       Saharam Nazeri and Jalal Zolfenoun are certainly two of the
>       best and most recognized of the circle of few traditional music artist,
>       who have constantly helped to teach and expand on persian traditional
>       music. Their virtue and mastry and their effort to revive the 
>	[ the rest deleted ]

WHO CARES IF NAZERI'S CONCERT WAS ORGANIZED BY THE ISLAMIC REGIME OR NOT?
AND SO WHAT IF IT WAS? ANYBODY WHO HAS OBJECTIONS IS FREE NOT TO ATTEND.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: Is there an interpreter in the house?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University, CA   USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:10:58 GMT

In article <93022.113840RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> 
Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
                                                      
>Take it ez Aref jAn. Ala only expressed his own opinion. Weren't you the one
>who once said "express yourself". 

The originator was sarkAreh khAnoomeh MadonnA. I just echoed her words.
So he expressed his opinion and so did you and so did I. What are
you saying? 


>In his second posting, Ala brought in
>another, more general, issue all together. That is an issue we can sink
>our teeth into. For the record, I am not for what has has mentioned
>regarding non-Iranians dating Iranians. Matters of heart do not know
>physical boundries. I light of the second issue he mentions, I think he
>sees no objection in non-Iranians marrying Iranians. It's the process that
>he is objecting to. And that my dear Aref, is very much cultural. It's
>not uneducated, hickish, or whatever else you tried to label it. It's
>only a man's opinion of his culture.
>
>RezA


This seems pretty cut and clear to me:
***************************************************************************
>>>I do think that IRANI girls ARE too good for Americans.
>>>But again I am talking about IRANI and not so called Persian-Americans.
***************************************************************************

And I am not concerned about his opinion of dating vs. marriage 
or the "process" as you put it. 

The "so and so is too good for so and so" part is the topic I am 
addressing. Funny I should be arguing about this with someone who is 
totally disappointed in Iranians. Chalk it up to your negative tally.

Aref (not disappointed in anyone :-) 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: *** Shahram Nazeri Concert, Columbus, Ohio
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:07:15 GMT

torab@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Homayoun Torab) writes:


>            *********************************************
>            ***	 Shahram Nazeri Concert,  Columbus, Ohio.

>            **** along with Ostad Jalal Zolfenoun and

>                            Shams group in two sections

>                            of Farsi and Kurdish.

>            **********************************************

>            DATE   :  Saturday, Feb. 6th.

>            TIME   :  7:30 PM.

>            PLACE  :  Battelle Auditorium , 505 King Ave.
>                      Columbus, Ohio
>                      (Just south of Ohio State University)

>            Ticket :  $25 /person $20 (student)
>                      (children under 10 not allowed)

>            CONTACT:  Mahmoud @ (614)-487-9253
>		      torab@cbnea.att.com

He will be in Washington D.C. January 30th.
Place George Washington University (Lisner Auditorium).



>-- 
>Homayoun M. Torab
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: REUNION [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:19:00 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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Originator: daemon@handel

This is posted at the reqeust of Faraamarz Amjadi.
He is seeking reunion with some of his old friends.

-Laaleh Esmaa-ee-li(last time he heard of her to be in DC or Washington State.
 He is not sure which one.)
-Bahraam Mir-kaamraan
-Daarioush Khalilollaahi
-Shahraam Shaahrokh Bahaari

If you have any clue about the whereabouts of these 
poeple please contact Faraamarz at the following 
address:

Faraamarz Amjadi
1501-70 Garry st. 
Winnipeg-Manitoba
CANADA R3C-3J9

Phone: (204) 956-4754

 
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: -None supplied- [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:28:39 GMT
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Salam ahAli,

I'm posting this for the benefit of those who are interested in historical 
events. If you want to know more about the predictions in Quran, you can
refer to the original article in soc.culture.arabic.

Article: 9821 of soc.culture.arabic
From: ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:11:39 GMT


- In Quran, the second verse of Sorat Al-Room, that was revealed
  to the Prophet at the time of Roman defeat by Persians, had
  predicted that Romans will come back and defeat the
  Persians in "bedhi sineen".  Bedhi' or few in arabic means the
  number 3-10.  When people heard about this, they said if nothing
  happens, we will use this to show that Mohammed is a lier.  Even
  some muslims made a bid with other non-muslmis on whether such
  a prediction will be true or not.  Of course, muslims had done
  this before islam forbidded gambling, i.e. (making bids.)

  After exactly 7 years, the Romans had defeated the Persians
  at the border of Palestine and Jordan.  This area was called
  in the verse "Adna Alarth" which could be translated either
  to the furthest, nearest, or lowest land.  It was later known
  in Geography that the area of the Dead sea is the lowest spot of
  the earth.  This lowest land by the Dead sea was the area where
  the battle b/w Romans and Persians took place.  So "Adna" could
  mean the lowest as was precisly described in the verse.

  After this war and the true prediction in Quran, people by
  massive numbers had entered islam, believing that the Muhammed
  is a true prophet and he could not predict such a thing without
  the Power of the Almighty Allah.  Of course, the muslims won
  the bids.



 
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: U.S. Citizenship and Its Irrelevance! [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:20:01 GMT
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Doostan Salam,

    This is one of the first time I am posting anything to the group,
though I have been quitely reading things since the early days of SCI.
Many of times I put with the likes of The Calf Boys of Iowa and his
likes and discounted their narrow view and the stink they caused as
a `gooze' that caused temporary discomfort of the senses and no more.

   A recent posting by a new (or perhaps old!) person by the name of
JELLY BELLY has steered my emotions and resulted in this posting. Mr.
Jelly Belly has blindly accused an innocent netter of having turned
his back on Iran by having accepted U.S. Citizenship. To this clown
I only wish to send one reminder. Many of the folks the brought the
current regime to Iran in fact held other citizenships; Remeber Mr.
YAZDI! The right hand of the Imam. Not to mention others.

   Jelly Belly's brain is so small that he associates Citizenship to
service for the country. I must remind you that many who plundered our
beloved country of its resources are indeed Iranian citizens and many
who are in the position of making a difference to the country have been
forced to adopt the citizenship of other countries. May be you should
look at other nationalities (as a netter has suggested) to see that
patriotism means making a difference in the destiny of your home land
rather than holding passports and waving flags. Take a look at the 
history of Japanese, Chinese, and in earlier times the Italians,
Spanish, Germans, and alike. Off course the best example was the Israely
who had become a Syrian citizen and made it all the way up to
becoming a minister of Assad. I am sure every Israely was proud
this one Syrian citizen!

Rooz Khosh and go ahead, use your brian. It woun't kill you!

A concerned citizen of ......
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid?
Organization: 1-2-3
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:01:31 GMT

Mack jAn wrote:
>I believe the correct words for second and third in Farsi are "doyom"
>and "seyom". I may be wrong however.

I also thought "doyom" and "seyom" were mostly used in poetry and some-
times used in slang.  I am next in line when it comes to being possibly
wrong!

>>dast garmi Exercise:  What is the Persian word for aval?
>
>yekom?

Good answer!  So it looks like the Persian grammer rule is to add a mim
(sounds like 'om') pasvand - English suffix - to the numbers as yekom,
dovom, sevom, chAhArom, panjom, .  .  .  It is interesting that aval,
which is Arabic, is used more frequently than yekom in Persian language
(both written and spoken) but the practice just ends there and we switch
back to Persian dovom, sevom yet we continue to 'moshadad' (we add tashdid)
Persian words dovom and sevom.  My question still remains as the rule to
tashdid a word is not a Persian language grammer rule:  Why do we apply a
rule specific to Arabic language to words known to be Persian?

And it looks like it happens only to these words.  I personally don't
know of any other Persian word - besides the two cited above - that takes
tashdid.

>Saturday through thursday have Farsi names, where as Friday uses an
>Arabic word. Its Farsi equivalent is "Adineh". Why is Adineh not used?

You got me Mack jAn!  I had forgotten about Adineh; it sure sounds nice.
So are you going to play soccer this coming Adineh?

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; poem (ahly-e bAfghi) [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:16:37 GMT
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assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (assana) writes:

>Talking of vahshy-e bafghy, there's another poem that is just beautiful,
>from which I only remember the first 2 "beyts":
>
>	khizid-o khaz Arid, ke hengam-e khazAn ast
>				  bAd-e khonok az jAneb-e khArazm vazAn ast
>	An panj-e-ye zarin ke be An shAkh-e razan ast
>				  gooy-e be masal pirhan-e rangrazAn ast
>
>Anyone knows the rest?
>         ^-^
>        /o o>       ===^===   assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
>          -   

I also remember part of that poem. I think the part that you remember goes
like this (interested people who have access to related books, please
correct me if I am wrong):

kheezeed `o khaz Areed keh hengam-e khazAn ast
bAd-e khonok az jAneb-e kharazm vazAn ast
An barg-e razAn bin keh bar An shAkh-e razAn ast**
gooyee beh masal peerhan-e* rangrazAn ast
dehghAn beh ta-ajjob sar-e angosht gazAn ast
		kandar chaman `o bAgh na gol mAnd `o na golnAr


What I remember is:

tAvoos-e bahAri rA donbAl bekandand
parrash* beboridand `o beh konji befekandand
khasteh beh miAn bAgh beh zAreesh bebandand
bA oo naneshenand 'o nagooyand `o nakhandand
	tA azar mah bogzarad `o Ayad AzAr
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* peerhan(pirhan), parrash(parash) (barAye inkeh ghAfieh joor besheh)
** raz= mo (its leaves are used in making dolmeh)
This beyt could be:
		An barg-e razAn bin keh bar An shAkh vazAn ast


My memory is becoming worse every day. I should eat more eggs!

ShahrAm





 
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From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Rushdie' death sentence (Was Re: Cruise Missiles)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:10:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.121022.2035@fmg.bt.co.uk> ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.151536.18643@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>> > >3) The U.S. reason for doing this was to control Iran.
>> > 
>> > This I believe, but whether or not it is the US controlling Iran, someone
>> > probably should do something about a government that will put out a public
>> > death threat against a man for exercising his right to free speech.  
>> > 
>
>> [...]
>
>> This issue is terribly overblown, in my opinion. Rafsanjani has done
>> virtually everything in his power to assure the world that Iran has no
>> "designs" on Rushdie's life. Such "gestures" have gone essentially
>> unnoticed, especially (in my opinion) in the eyes of those who wish to
>> continue to villify the Iranian people and government.
>
>It is not a question of "designs" and "gestures" but simple principles
>of law and human rights.  A government can not be allowed to play with
>lives of human beings in persuit of its diplomacy (I know many do, but
>thay are equally contemptible).  As long as the Iranian government
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>does not publically condemn the inhuman and illegal death sentence and
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>take action against those who put bounty on Rushdie's head and
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>prosecute them for incite to murder, it is a party to the death
>sentence, and so no notice should be taken of its "gestures".
>
>-hossein

am i mistaking hossein, because i was under the impression that it
was the iranian government that put the bounty on rushdie's head,
so you expect them to condemn themselves! good luck.

behzad
From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: khar to khar
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:15:23 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <93025.213130RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>, RMODARR@auvm.american.edu (Reza Modarres) writes:
> Trying to traslate the concept of khar-to-khar to a friend, I found myself
> very much in confusion. Is there an English phrase convaying the same
> concept?
> 
> RezA
==========================
I believe the word chaos will convey the same meaning as  Khar-to-Khar.

Saeid