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From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:07:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14238.2adc53d6

In article <1992Oct13.201804.16362@husc3.harvard.edu>,
verbit@coolidge.POOL_OF_SHIT.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) Wants to prove that
he is the only one who is not bullshitting:
> In article <14211.2adaa561@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
> vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu is bullshitting:
> 
>>In article <84600011@glas.apc.org>, Patricia Schwartz
> <margaret@glas.apc.org> does the same:
> 
> 
>> The dependance
>>of a woman on a man is also part of russian culture.
> 
> That's complete bullshit! Ever read Rudin or Oblomov?
> The dependence (dunno about dependance, tho')
> of a man on a woman is a part of a Russian culture.
> Of course, readers of Proskurin (Vadim, that is)
> will argue. Let them eat their shit.

 I do not get it. What Rudin? What Oblomov? Russia was an agricultural
country and a man worked outside though woman brought up children and
worked at home. (I read Erofeev not Proskurin)
> 
>>Ask women and
>>you will see that most of them would prefer to depend on their husbands.
> 
> You can always find a deranged individual who will
> agree with any folly. Of course, any self-respecting
> woman (and man) will prefer to depend on her(him)self.
> Why Russian rate of divorces is highest in a world,
> do you think? I don't think you do.

  Yes you can find few women who would say that the career is
more important than home+children. Expecially if her self-respecting
husband cannot support the family (like M.Verbitskiy) 

>>And the same about men, who would like her wifes to look after home
>>and children instead of pursuing career.
> 
> And lick their genitalia................................
 
  Sounds like an infant teenager after reading popular literature
about sex.

>>  Yes , Margaret was spiritually much stronger than the Master.
>>But did not you notice that nevertheless the Master was a man
>>Margeret was depending on. Considering the Master and Margaret
>>alone (without Voland,Frida,etc) she was the dependant.
>>Though the stronger one.
> 
> Huh? Sounds as stupid as usual. Could anyone elaborate
> what Vadim meant to say?
    
  What for? I do not think you will be able to understand it anyway.

> Misha. 

 Vadim.
From: GREENMAN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (John Greenman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: wanted:young snail mail penpals
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:24:08 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I've been asked by a friend to find a list or source for young penpals
from the F.S.U. who would like to write, via regular mail, to young
people in this region of the USA (Northeast).
If anyone knows of a penpal organization in Russia, the US, any of the
Republics, etc., please let me know!
My internet address is:   Greenman@maine.maine.edu
Bolshoi spaceebo   (sorry about that attempt)
-John
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked by fascist group (UPI)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:02:08 GMT
	<1992Oct13.174404.1@acad3.alaska.edu>

In article <1992Oct13.174404.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.190035.16831@watson.ibm.com>, bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm
>>.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:> Reprinted without permission 
>>from  article <russia-fascistsU2OD1145ae@clarinet.com>
>
>>>	MOSCOW (UPI) -- Blackshirted extreme Russian nationalists burst into
>>>the offices of a leading Moscow daily Tuesday, read out an ultimatum to
>>>the staff and threatened physical violence unless their demands were
>>>met.
>
>Some bloody stuff about current crimes by Pamyat' deleted. Now the msg itself:
>
>> 
>> Compare with theaters, street fashions, ice-cream, flowers and petals from
>> our exclusive Moscow correspondent Patricia-Margaret.
>
>
>If I understood it correctly, the comparision must prove clearly the
>level of "exclusive correspondent's" ignorance  in Russian matters. In other
>words (sorry, but I can not help myself):
>
>     V to vremya kak vsya demokratiheskaya obschestvennost', s gnevom i
>     bol'you uznav o novykh krovavykh delakh preslovutoj "Pamyati", krepit
>     svoe stremlenie ne propustit' fashizm, esche nakodyatsya politigeski
>     blizorukie borzopistsy, schebchuschie o tsvetax i morozhennom...
>       
>                              and so on. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
>
>Now I'm also going to demonstrate the chronic absence of political correctness.
>To my mind as a reader it was much more interesting to learn about noticeable
>changes in people's spirit and their ability to find something attractive to
>wear. The minor political episod opposed to it is nothing but desperate attempt
>of both sides to attract some more attention. Sort of political advertisement.
>It is a boring habit now for all "parties" accounting up to 50 members to make
>some noise. The fact that Pamyat' has 5,000 or even 50,000 followers changes 
>nothing. The times when any demonstrations allowed by Central Committee and 
>organized by KGB really meant changes (or their absence) has passed. This is
>just information for these who didn't notice it and continue to apply ten
>years' old standards. IRA activity in London is criminal chronicle and nothing
>more. Why one must pay more attention to similar level events in Moscow?   
>
>IMHO, the real topic in Russia now is a mood of silent majority. Patricia has
>a gut feeling for it, that proves she has much more understanding of Russia
>than some tasters' of Russian culture from this group. 
>
>I am glad she is back!
>
>
>-Serega, AK
>


  Bla. You are insane. An IRA bombing or fascist assholes attacking someone is
more interesting than naughty winds any day!

                                                               adam
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Luna Park....
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:48:40 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <92803@netnews.upenn.edu> 
sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.225039.16316@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

MZ:
>>You must be joking.  Against whom do you believe the Russian nationalism to
>>be aimed?  There are the prodigal brothers (Ukrainians, etc.), and then
>>there are pernicious agents of the international Zionist conspiracy.
>>That's it.  Read _Russophobia_, if you have any doubts in this matter.

SB:
>  That's you who must be joking. Your logic goes to "if salvage Russia,
>  than shoot Jews" (Raz spasaj Rossiju - to znachit bei zhidov").

Note that it was the Russian nationalists of the Black Hundreds who
invented the converse slogan, not I.  My observation is descriptive, rather
than prescriptive: with the conspicuous exception of minority humanists
like Solov'ev and Likhachev, all ideologues of Russian nationalism defined
their politics in the reactionary fashion, by reference to "enemies of the
people".  Indeed, as noted Spinoza, _definitio est negatio_: you can only
define Russianness by circumscribing and separating it from that, which is
not Russian.  Now, kindly cite to me some prominent Russian nationalists
who are willing to recognize, say, Chaim Bialik or Taras Shevchenko as
representatives of Russian culture.

SB:
>  Russian nationalizm doesn't have to be (and it's not) aimed "against",
> but rather "to". The survival of Russian national culture doesn't 
> neccesarily mean extermination of Jews. But if you think other way
> you must be an antisemite :). 

The survival of Russian national culture is indeed fully compatible with
the survival of the Russian Jewish community; however a national policy,
which stipulates that the greatest good and the primary goal of the Russian
people consists in exhaltation and glorification of this culture, is most
assuredly incompatible with any indigenous cultural dissidence, such as
constituted by any ethnic or religious minority.  Inasmuch as Russian
nationalism has as its goal not merely survival and preservation, but
fulfillment of a putative historical destiny, it is certainly aimed
"against", rather than merely "to".

> S.B.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Privatization Vouchers - can Americans purchase them?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:00:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvtMDB.7q
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>Ok, I'd like to purchase some.  Where do I get them and how can they
>be used?  Are these essentially "shares of stock" in Russia?  Will 
>the value change with economic conditions?  Can they be sold back at
>the current price, or is their redeemable value fixed at the original
>purchase price?
They can't be "sold back" at all.  They can be freely sold to
anybody for whatever you can get for them.  They have no redeemable
value.  The original face value is totally meaningless.  Eventually
some sort of auction scheme is supposed to be set up to let you bid
with certificates for companies.  And there are supposed to be mutual
funds that you can buy into with certificates.  I'm going to a conference
next week on privatization--maybe I'll know more then.  Anyway,
you can always use them for wallpaper.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky )
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:05:10 GMT

Blessed by infinite wisdom,
sasha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alexander.kostomaroff) writes:

>Lady and Gentleman,

>Let us put Political Correctness aside and start with definitions:

>	Racism - 1. The notion that one's own ethnic stock is superior.
>	^^^^^^
>		 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on R. - racist
>                                                              ^^^^^^ 
>	(The American Heritage Dictionary)

>The definitions may vary in flavor from one source to another but,
>in general, I buy this one. If you agree, we could continue. Otherwise,
>hit <n>.

>There could be nothing defamatory in Def.1. Plenty of folks think this way about
>themselves. The trick is in the sense of proportion.

>It starts from the cradle:
>	- You have the best mom/dad/family in the Universe.

>It continues through kindergarten, school, street gang, U, army, etc.:
>	- Our Nation!
>	- Our Religion!!
>	- Our Gang Colors!!!
>	- The Few! The Proud! The Marines!!!!
>	....................
>	- I'm The Greatest!!!!!! (Cassius Clay a.k.a. Mohammed Ali)


>You see, the dialectic leap from Def.1 to Def.2 has been made.

>A 'normal/decent/good' human being understands (consciously or subconsciously)
>that the interhuman relationships a built not on the basis of superiority
>vs. inferiority of individuals/groups but on the foundation of equal rights
>of all + uniqueness of the each one of us. Please note, I say 'rights' not
>'values'. You could stone me to death with the volumes of Malcolm X selected
>works - values are scalable. There are superior and inferior ones.

>Nobody should be judged by the colour of his/her/its skin.  Race could not
>be disapproved. Values could be judged, accepted, rejected, etc. Errors in
>the judgement are inevitable. But, in general, there is always the right side
>and the wrong side, high values and low values, London "Times" and
>"Folkischer Beobachter", Scarlatti and Ice-T ....

>Individuals and groups that adhere to the low values doom themselves.

>Mass media in our country is driven today by the $ sign only. PC sells.
>Therefore, long live PC! Hate rap sells - roll the tape!

>Big money is in styrofoam cups, plastic straws, D-grade movies,
>pop pseudomusic. T.S. Elliot doesn't bring revenue. 

>Today will pass. There is always tomorrow. BTW, yesterday was great!

>Have fun, boys and girls. Regards,

Thank you, father, for sharing this insightful information with us :)

Girl Irina

>Alexander Kostomaroff
>Observer Of Passing Events, Falling Empires, and Human Follies.

P.S. You have a point, but I think it will be understood much better if
    you change the tone from "wise teacher who knows best" to
    "My opinion on this subject"

The worst thing about PC is that, while pretending to be liberal, PC-activists
are the most closed-minded people telling everyone they have superior insight
on human relations and "teaching" poor lost souls how to live right.
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:45:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bw8Hr8.FFI.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <1992Oct16.153740.16456@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@widder.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct16.134106.60720@watson.ibm.com>
|> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) demonstrates
|> his idiocy, moral unwholesomeness and complete ignorance:
|> 
|> >So I will argue - because imho you may find any kind of dependency
|> >in Proskurin books - man on woman, woman on man, man on Party, naked women 
|> >on grass, dog on dog food, etc.
|> >So pls elaborate, whad'da u mean?
|> 
|> Should I explain everything for blabbering ignoramuses with 
|> IQ hardly esceeding one of a anteater? Well, I'm afraid
|> I should, even if Igor rather needs a decent toilet training.
|> He think that if the only book he evr read is Peter Proskurin
|> "Naked Girl" then someone could explain him what this book
|> is about. I am afraid that if his mind is so feeble
|> as if seems nothing could help him. Anyway, if he find
|> someone to read him this article 3 or more times (and
|> please, slowly), he will be content with himself.
|> OK, here it goes (if you have a bit more sense than Igor,
|> please skip):
|> 
|> P. S. If someone wants to be subscribed to the Forum mailing list,
|> please post! 
|> 
|> Misha.

   Definitely, a dangerous virus is soaring inside Harvard's walls.
   Misha was the most steadfast among the dignified husc* collective, but at last
   this virus pierced him. Is it so infectious for xSUs ?

   Yury
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sokurov is NOT an asshole!
Date: 13 Oct 1992 05:57:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct12135213@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>
>Pretentious, full of false importance, self-aggrandizing,
>imitative, vague - to name a few.

Brass plate starts here <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Autoportrait, USENET, keyboard, monitor by Philip Nicolaev, 1992.
Brass plate ends <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Yury
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 01:54:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct8204004@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>>>Go fuck yourself...
>
>Ha, another well-mannered racist pukehead stung by
>the crude,disgusting methods of the ubiquitos masonic 
>PC Thought Police. Insulting gentle racist hearts 
>is my specialty. The term 'brainwashing' can't apply
>to you by definition.
>
Slushajte, grazhdane, u nih tam v Harvarde gnezdo, chto li?
Pomnitsja extra-vezhlivyji Zhenja is Gorokhova tozhe teper'
iz Harvarda, i tozhe husc.harvard.edu.

Poslushajte, porosenok philja, vy ne mogli by kak-nibud' s zhenej
zamknut'sja drug na druge, a? Poderites' tam mezhdu soboj, a kto ostanetsja
v zhivyh, uzh pishite.

Yury
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Can white men jump?
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:11:36 GMT

In article <Bw120z.5Eu@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:

   In article <1992Oct12.182206.12932@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky) writes:
   ...
>  >If one admits that races are not equal in some respect, why accept the
>  >idea that they are equal in everything else? Maybe whites are
>  >genetically more capable in something else? I am not saying that one
>  >or another race should be discriminated because it's superior or
>  >inferior in some respect....

>      Let us, for the sake of the argument, assume that Race X
>      is genetically more capable than Race Y when it comes to 
>      activity Z.  So what?  This kind of knowledge is absolutely
>      useless, unless one intends to discriminate on the basis of 
>      race and is looking for justification.
>   one's race is irrelevant -> all races are equal

What about "Race X is more capable of learning things when taught
using the strategy K, and Race Y is more capable of learning when
taught using the strategy L"? There was a psychology professor
somewhewere in the US who's research choed this on blacks vs. whites,
and he was called a racist and had to retire, or something... It is
not a discrimination, it is an attempt to bring forward some race's
strongest potential, and it is called a racism. How about that?

>  ...
>  >A little side point. Many participants of this group are Jewish (and
>  >this paragraph is addressed to them). I'll take a risk to guess that
>  >most of them, even though aren't religious themselves, pay due respect
>  >to their ancestor's religion and even observe high holidays. Don't you
>  >think that the whole concept of "chosen people" is racist?
>      "Chosen people" is more of a religious concept than a racial/ethnic
>      one.  Jews happen to be of all races/colours, and you could become 
>      one (observe the Jewish holidays, even emigrate to Israel:), if you
>      _really_ wanted to.

"Chosen people" is _primarily_ an ethnic/racial issue. You are Jewish in
teh firs place according to your birth, and only then - according to
your beliefs. You can become Jewish being of any race, but you can't
give up your "Jewishhood" once you are born that way. Then, again,
read the Tora: the G-d promised Abraham to have his _decendants_
"Chosen People", and only later He stated the formal procedure for the
Goim to become a part of a Jewish house. That is one of the reasons
why a lot of Hasidic and Orthodox Jews look at those of non-Jewish
origin as at people of the "vtoroy sort", even though it si also
stated that once a Goim became a Jew, he has an equal part in Israel.

--Igor
From: ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
Subject: Hey Kandidaty Nauk
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:26:46 GMT



Hi, everybody.


A friend of mine (kand. phys. math. nauk) is applying for position
funded by Canadian Goverment. They required to submit an official
translation of all his papers . The problem is: his degree is translated
as Candidate of .... . Should he provide any information that his degree
is a rough equivalent of Ph.D. If yes how to do it. May be some regulations
are available. I would appreciate any lead. The only pledge is do not
start discussion related to the question of to what extent Candidate
is equivalent of Ph.D.  This is not a matter of qualification proof for
my  friend (he is one of the best known scientist in the world, in his narrow
field, however). He has to submit papers to goverment agency this is a problem.





-- 
Aleksey Y. Romanov

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own and do not
necessary reflect those of my employer or anyone else
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:20:57 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14a by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In  <14214.2adade35@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>  vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.171421.106810@watson.ibm.com>, oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>> In  <84600011@glas.apc.org>  Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org> writes:
>>> ...
>>>The message in Western European and American culture in particular
>>>is: women who have sex or want to have sex MUST DIE. Then of
>>>course the male hero of the story reaches some state of grace
>>>in grieving for the dead woman.
>> ....
>>>How fantastically revolutionary this was
>>>for an American girl to read - a woman who fucks and doesn't die.
>>
>> It is clear to me now why in English "Fuck you" is a curse and not
>> a blessing - because of a strong correlation between fucking and death.
>>
>> Oleg V
>
>   Bless you, my dearest! In what language do you think
>"Fuck you" could mean blessing?   Just curious.
>V.

In COBOL - since it adversely affects potency, an error message like
"Fuck you" should be very inspirational.

Oleg V
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:45:12 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1bfaivINN6u5@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:

[ some 20 pages of sound thoughts deleted]

>There is no such thing as "female" sexuality. There is no such
>thing as "north" magnet. Sex and magnetism always come with
>two opposite sides; things are yan and tsi and empowered with mu.

Ever heard about magneton? A lot of people are busy
with the search for a "north" magnet, whose existence
is (more or less) theoretically proven.

>>margaret, unashamed

>Of what?

That's rhetoric :)

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Ice T - "Cop Killer"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:26:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.184248.16211@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>This is the lyrics to the song "Cop Killer",
>discussed awhile on this board. I never heard
>the music, but the lyrics is quite good, IMO.

The media brands it as "rap", mostly because Ice T is black and the song has
a racial politics slant to it.  It's just as much "rap" as bands like
Megadeath, Ministry or Napalm Death.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path