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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Dinner Cancelled, how 'bout Sunday brunch?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 14:16:37 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
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In <1jrq86INNhs2@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>The new location is Huson Corner Cafe.  At the corner of Hudson and
>West 11th.  It's a well-kept secret, but it's becoming a frequent
>motss cabal location.

I guess telling everyone the TIME is began would help!

It's at 1pm.

Sorry for any confusion.  Please do call Tovah to RSVP so whe can
reserve enough seats.  Call -- (212) 316-9194 -- some time tomorrow or
Sunday AM.

By the way, I might not be able to make it.  Have fun folx!

Tom
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right with America." --Bill Clinton's inaugural address, 1/20/93
From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Amherst College Sends 100+ Pro-Repeal Letters to Clinton
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:45:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


twpierce@unix.amherst.edu@SMTP (Tim Pierce) writes:
>and a banner reading "Repeal
>the military ban on homosexuals!"  I printed a hundred copies of the
>letter, took everything to the dining hall

>The letters were all signed in an hour.  

Tim, brilliant move!!!  

>I don't have a good idea how we're going to pay for all the postage (I
>don't trust that they'll all be counted separately if we mail them all
>in a single package) but at the moment I feel fucking ecstatic.

Well, petitions are sent as a set of signatures, so maybe it would be
o.k. to send your letters in one package.

Which makes me wonder:  why don't we try to circulate petitions regarding 
the ban?  Would that have the same impact as letters?
 
I know that Amnesty International often passes around a letter to 
be signed and then people add their names, addresses and sigs at the end.  
So why don't _we_ do something like that to fight the ban?  (...which
is not to say that we shouldn't also make calls/send letters&faxes)

-maria


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From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:01:15 GMT
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: w6yx.stanford.edu

In article <qxj3hyb@rpi.edu> safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>Right!  That does it!  I'm in Troy, NY and I find tea just fine and damn
>good tea as well.  Bloody Brit stereotyping.  All American drink coffee?
>Horrible stuff, causes the kidneys to rot.  Give me a strong tea any day.
>
>-Points (Who makes his own Peppermint and Camomille tea)

Ah, but there you are mistaken, grasshopper.  The Brits find the drinking
of HERBAL tea an affectation beyond belief.  They MUST have their caffeinated
variety.  

Alpha
"Caffeinated tea is so acidic it makes me puke"


-- 
Alpha Schram	alpha@w6yx.stanford.edu*"My legs are getting so they don't
1974 CB360 (Sexy Sadie)		       * percolate so well anymore!"
"It's not a big motorcycle,	       *       --my grandmother, 13.Jan.93
just a groovy little motorbike..."     *---------ROMANI ITE DOMUM---------
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From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Lifting the Ban
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:52:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.171813.23658@news.columbia.edu> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>I watched a bit of Nightline last night. I was quite impressed by Lt. Tracy
>Thorne. The other idiot kept claiming that gays are congenitally promiscuous
>and unstable. Of course, he never bothered to think of the effect on
>relationship duration and personal stability that being unable to acknowledge
>one's SO as such must have. How long would the generals' marriages have
>lasted if they had not only not been allowed to legally marry, but weren't
>even allowed to admit that they loved their spouse? If evidence of having had
>sex (say, children or the word of a prostitute they visited while off-duty) was
>sufficient to get them discharged?

At first when I heard that nightline was going to do their focus on the ban,
I was pissed.
Other news organisations had been playing it down, and I thought, *great..
whip it up on Nightline*

I was pleased however that the first part of the show was abalanced and fair
apraisal of the issue,
and that the banter between Cokie roberts, Lt Thorne and LtCol(ret) Wm
Gregor made the military position look exactly like the senseless
homophobic banter that it is.

I think that when the dust settles Tracy thorne should re-enter
civilian life and get involved in queer politics.
This man is articulate, calm under pressure, bright, cute as a bug :-)


LUX ./. owen


>
>I've already called Mr. Powell's office today (reminding his lackey that blacks
>were accused of being promiscuous and over-sexed before Truman integrated the
>armed forces), so I can't really call again to ask this question. Anyone have 
>the phone/fax/email numbers for major news agencies that might be asking
>questions of the military brass in the next two days?
>
>Important phone numbers:
>White House (202)456-1111
>Gen. Powell's office (703)697-9121
>Senate switchboard (202)224-3121
>
>-jenneke
>
>   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
>The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
>		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu


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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuality: What a beautiful choice!
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:13:06 GMT
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In article <1993Jan19.214754.381@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:

   In article <1993Jan19.135124.18951@dvorak.amd.com> tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
   >I am sure most everyone has seen the "Life: What a beautiful choice!"
   >on the morning and evening news.  The are obviously put out by a right
   >to life group... which one?

   They're funded by the Arthur T. DeMoss Foundation. Their commercials are
   really quite amazingly manipulative, with a real "Morning In America" 
   feel to them.

Manipulative indeed.  If you listen carefully, the commercial with the
girl who was aborted mentions that she was aborted in the seventh
month.

Meaning third-trimester.  Illegal, to my knowledge, and few people
advocate third-trimester abortions.
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From: hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Maya Angelou's poem
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:32:39 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

Does anyone have a copy of Maya Angelou's inaugural poem?  I don't read the
paper, so if someone has a published copy, could they please post it?  My
girlfriend and I cheered when she included "the gay, the straight..." Even if
Clinton fails miserably, his speech and his administration are encouraging that
we do have a friend in high places.  I desire the poem to commemorate this.

					Fezzer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Answer your phone, Bill!
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:49:42 GMT


Geez, I've been calling the White House number all day
(thank Technology for redial buttons!) and get busy every
time...

But I have successfully made contact with Senators Boxer,
Feinstein, Mitchell, Dole (his flunky sounded taken aback by
my position :-(), Nunn and D'Amato; also my Congresssweetie
Nancy Pelosi; General Powell; The Pentagon Public Affairs
Bureau; and the House and Senate Armed Servvices Committees.

I hope all these fine upholders of the Constitution understand
that, my own feedback notwithstanding, equal rights aren't
determined by phone tallies...
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Subject: Re: Nancy Reagan [eeeeek!]
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:52:02 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)

I'd like to nominate Nancy Reagan for the title of "honourary bitchy
queen". 

I cannot think of something so *outrageous*, so incredibly hilarious,
as what she did yesterday. Not only did she call up Barbara Walters in
the middle of a broadcast, snubbing Peter Jennings. She actually
complained, live to an international audience, that she was not
invited to the party! Amazing.

It's beautiful! One day, I want to be able to do that.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/        You stupid vulgar greedy ugly American death sucker
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: E-Catacomb of Lesbigay Xns:  LUTI
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:32:43 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Lutibelle's Mailbag is discussion group for Lesbigay Christian Issues.  
At the moment, most of us are lesbigay Episcopalians, but we certify neither 
plumbing nor creed.   We welcome others:  

LUTI is a catacomb of our own for lesbigay Christians and our friends 
(plus lurkers who want to inform themselves with primary evidence).    

Luti is not a venue in which to defend lesbigay Christians' right to exist.  
That hetero conversation belongs, if anywhere, elsewhere.  Nor is Luti the
venue in which to fight UNholy doctrinal wars.  

To participate, send a one-line message to lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu saying
'Sign me up for LUTI.'  As soon as possible, I will add you to the list and 
notify you how to post directly to it. 

If you introduce yourself, I will forward your signon message to others on 
the list; otherwise, your identity will remain confidential (but not 
rigorously so).  Do not presume that all discussants are lesbigay; and do not 
presume all heterosexual participants to be so insecure as to need to tell you 
so.

H.M.H. Quean Lutibelle (a.k.a. Louie Crew, Li Min Hua, Br. Thorn-in-the-Flesh)
Founder of Integrity:  The Justice Ministry of Lesbigay Episcopalians (1974)
Co-Organizer of the Lesbigay Caucus of the National Council of Teachers of 
   English (1974) 

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From: viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael A. Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clue phone for William J. Clinton
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:04:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan26.000442.14043@bsu-ucs>, 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes...
>A hint to Bill Clinton and the army-thingy...
>Hello, William....
>You run the army
>the army does not run you..
>Remember the army's reaction to desegregation of the army
>Remember the fuss?
>How hard is it to find a white guy and a black guy chatting in the barracks?
>Not too hard...
>Hmmmm....
>Clue phone for the President...
>Line 2.
>brandon

	Do you have lines for all 535 members of Congress too?  Give Bill
a break and call your Congresspeople!

					Mike
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Best Response? (Was Tips for coming out to friends?)
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:12:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.49155
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1993Jan27.185703.3963@spdcc.com> shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer) writes:
>
>So what's the best response you've gotten to a direct coming-out?  To
>an oblique one?  The funniest?

The reply I will always remember was from a friend I came out to over
drinks one evening after shopping for a b'day present for his girlfriend.
His reply was "can we go out sometime?"  Which sort of shocked the sox
off me.  I came to find that he is gay but decided to go the marriage
route just to get his family off his back.  

A recent conversation went:

  Them				Me
-------------------------------------------------------------
"You're gay?!?"			"yup."
"Do you have a boyfriend?"	"yup."
"Is he gay too?"		"I think so.  But I'll check."

--mark
--
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markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Forces for Liberty
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:05:42 GMT


In article <18356@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
Rowley) writes:

>It's this concept of forcing people in any way that sticks
>in the craw of liberty minded folks.

You imply that those who do advocate force under conditions
they deem suitable are not liberty-minded.  I disagree.

>Personally I find it the height of ignorance to claim high
>moral ground while attempting to force others to adopt a
>specific POV, no matter what the underlying reason.

Aren't you claiming the high moral ground in the preceding
paragraph, and while you can't *force* anyone to adopt your
point of view, you are willing, aren't you, at least by
force of argument, to attempt to get others to adopt your
point of view?

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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Smoke in gay bars
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:23:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan25.172353.16875
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


My mother got so fed up with the smoking when she went to league night
at the bowling ally that she took the worst incense she could find
and lite it up!!!!

Boy, talk about pissed cigar smokers!

Bil
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuality: What a beautiful choice!
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:12:16 GMT
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In article <1993Jan24.184530.25162@dvorak.amd.com> tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:

   >  Personally, I'd prefer it if someone with big 
   >bucks -- like David Geffin or Elton John -- would start his own
   >foundation and crank out some ads that show gay folk in a positive
   >light.

   These folks already give tons of money to AIDS care, education, and
   research.  I'm not sure what their feelings are concerning general
   social equality.  They probably don't have much real-world exposure
   and what they had growing up was probably forgotten/denied (one reason
   why a lot of people don't get behind youth out-reach programs is
   becuase of denial of their own very painful childhood).

Elton John experienced a very serious drop in sales when he first came
out.  And I can't say for sure, but I'm sure that was combined with
lots of nasty mail.  So he hasn't been totally insulated.
--

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From: an6245@anon.penet.fi (Nobody in particular...)
Subject: MOTSS-oriented music?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.motss
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:08:39 GMT

I've seen posted on here lists of both MOTSS-oriented movies and gay
TV characters.  I haven't seen anything yet related to MOTSS-oriented
music.

The only two songs I know about are "Hideaway" and "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme"
both by Erasure.

If anyone who knows of other MOTSS-oriented songs and could e-mail me,
I'd like to start compiling a list.  I can post the list here later, if
anyone is interested...

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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Los Angeles Gay Pride/Christopher Street West information
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:23:04 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org

(This posting is a repeat from several months ago)


Information about Christopher Street West (CSW)
-----------------------------------------------

Christopher Street West publishes a FREE newsletter roughly every 2
months.  The newsletter provides advance information about the Los
Angeles Gay/Lesbian Pride Celebration, which CSW produces each June.
There's also information about organizations in the community who've
received grants from CSW, changes planned for this year's parade, etc.
To subscribe, call 213-656-6553 and ask to be added to the newsletter
mailing list.  Alternatively, you can email me with your U.S. mail
address and I'll see that you get added.

The CSW executive board meetings are open to the public.  They are held
the 2nd tuesday of each month at 7:30pm, and are located upstairs at
the CSW office, 1/4 block west of the corner of Santa Monica and
Fairfax (between Fig's restaurant and the new strip mall on the corner).

CSW also always welcomes new volunteers!  There are many different
committees dealing with different aspects of the festival, and each
welcomes new members.  For more information, you can come to a board
meeting, or call the CSW office at 213-656-6553 and ask to have the
special "volunteer" issue of the newsletter sent to you.

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From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:31:43 GMT

In article <74022@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>So far, I consider the two most interesting characters on the show
>to be Commander Sisko and Odo.

Agreed!  The doctor is too flaky, and the woman playing the Bajoran
needs some serious acting lessons.

Perhaps now that Sisko has resolved the issue of his dead wife, perhaps
he can go on to a gay relationship with some passing traveller?

:-o

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: libfgr@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Frank G. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Homoeroticism on Northern Exposure
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:58:37 GMT

lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes:

>Last night on Northern Exposure (a repeat) Maurice got an antique
>clock - which came with a _beautiful_ technician to install it.  While
>this technician (who's charachter name I forget) was eating at the Brick,
>he saw Ed and started talking to him.  Ed took him home, showing him
>his video collection - and, when asked, showed him his broken movie
>camera.  Well our friendly German fixed it.  They then started going around
>town filming this and that, and Ed took some shots of his new friend.
>At the end of the show, after his new friend had left, Ed was watching
>the film, and smiling at his new friend.  Yes, this could just be a
>perfectly unsexual friendship, but.....

I had the same thoughts when I saw the episode last year.  Besides, I've always had a thing for Ed -- beautiful, sensative, and somewhat vacant....

-f

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From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Does anyone know where Larry Kramer is?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:51:41 GMT

I am interested in trying to get a real speaker for our commencement.
I would *love* to have Larry Kramer.  Does anyone know if he is available
for such things or even if he is willing to do them?  Reply by mail please

-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender      AIDS KILLS.  Practice safe sex.        
Plummet headlong first.  Grasp the unattainable. Redfine all that has 
been taught to you. Understand the power of a single action. 
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: "No Wavering on Gay Soldiers"
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 14:37:22 GMT


In article <1993Jan22.150448.4899@dvorak.amd.com>
tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D.  Barrett) writes:

>Well, according to my one on ones with the HR people at the
>CIA and NSA they do not discriminate, but from experience in
>such matters I know that what that means is that they value
>the "opinion" of their security investigators and depending
>on the "opinion" of said investigator concerning gays and
>lesbians, one might be disqualified for a number of
>different reasons (none of which would be homosexuality).

Not in any way to justify discrimination of various kinds
that has surely been practiced in recruiting, there are
indeed valid reasons for disqualifying people seeking
employment in those agencies.  Some people (among them some
LGB people) would be really dangerous choices for some of
those jobs.  At the bottom line, the investigator's opinion,
as long as it's not based on plain old bigotry, is all we
have to go on.

<> The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.
<> -- Oscar Wilde
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