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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: bullet & gasoline truck
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:29:21 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory


In article <53232@mimsy.umd.edu> jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath) writes:
}#From article <53195@mimsy.umd.edu>, by infmx!gregm@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Mitchell):
}# In article <53071@mimsy.umd.edu> ejohnson@cs.washington.edu (Eric Johnson) writes:
}# #In article <53029@mimsy.umd.edu> jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) writes:
}# ##igniting diesel.  Diesel ignites under compression, not a spark.
}# #
}# #... fill a
}# #2-liter pop bottle a little with diesel,cap it and shake it around a bit 
}# #to get some fumes going, stand back (way back) and shoot it. The compression
}# #from the bullet hitting it ought to light it. ...

}Just for curiousity, why would this work with diesel and not with
}gasoline, or, say, lighter fluid?  Or will it?

If it will work at all, it should work with all of the above.  However,
gasoline will probably dissolve the bottle before you get set up to shoot
it.

Digression:  For a tamer, but interesting, effect, put half a cup or so of
rubbing alcohol in a 5 gallon _glass_ water bottle.  Shake well and drop
in a lighted match.  The technique is called "woofing", for reasons that
become obvious when you do it.  N.B.:  I've never seen anyone hurt, or
even obviously endangered, when doing this, but I still wouldn't let the
kids play with it unsupervised.  N.V.B.:  DO NOT TRY THIS WITH GASOLINE!

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
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Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe

[MODERATOR: Could we *please* move on....?]
From: skrone@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (stuart.krone)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: "GLOCK" - A Book Review
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:12:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <53249@mimsy.umd.edu> dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths) writes:
#
#In-Reply-To:  skrone@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (stuart.krone)
#
## In article <52977@mimsy.umd.edu> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
## #In article <52909@mimsy.umd.edu> you write:
## #= 
## #=     According to Peter Kasler, amphib. spring cups are restricted sale
## #=     items by Glock, although not due to any legal restrictions.
#
## Speaking of which, I wonder _why_ they are restricted??
#
#Fear of lawsuits, from someone stupid enough to shoot with their head
#underwater & burst their eardrums ?

A few people mentioned this but I don't see why they couldn't just
have you sign a disclaimer. They are after all selling you a firearm,
I would think that there's some assumption of competency on thier part.
From: ahahma@utu.fi (Arno Hahma)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: A calibre question
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:33:47 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <53075@mimsy.umd.edu> davidg@interop.com (David Gimpelevich) writes:

#Also, the same video does show how a fuel truck explodes when hit by
#a bullet - a .50 BMG!

That reminded me to ask, what that caliber actually is. .50 BMG is a
.50, of course, but what is the cartdridge (casing) like? Also, what
do the letters stand for? Is the round some sort of a special one
made by Barrett only, or is it a more common round? BMG == Browning
Machine Gun?? (at least they have made some quite widely spread
MGs in that calibre)

ArNO

[MODERATOR:   BMG == "big momma gun" I think....]
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Revolver Hammer Shrouds...
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:28:22 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

The carrying of a revolver with an empty chamber under the
hammer was for one reason only..If the weapon were dropped
and it hit either barrel or hammer first the weapon would
discharge, you have to remember that the person who carried
a pistol used it for other things such as a hammer, next time
you go to a museum and look at other than "mint or good" 
examples look at the bottom of the pistol grip, they also
made good barbed wire tightners on large turnbuckles, just
insert the barrel and twist (now dont get sick over that one) 
(I hit the hammer of an old colt.22 cal camp perry model- 
it went off). On the newer colts and rugers there is a 
hammer block that has to be inserted between the hammer 
and the firing pin (if the firing pin is on the hammer 
there is no hammer block) this is done when you pull the 
trigger. I havent even looked at a smith since
73, and have no plans to, all I know are colt and ruger.
I routinely carry 6 in my super blackhawk and in plain and
simple terms the hammer cannot reach the firing pin unless
the hammer block is up. There is also not enough mass in the
firing pin to discharge the weapon if dropped.
BTW the Ruger Super Blackhawk was the first to use this
method and it was a pretty big deal when it first came
out.
My own personal pet peeve with revolvers is that most
shooters have no idea if their weapon is out of time
till I feel the lead shavings from the person next to
me !!
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From: bercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (John Bercovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Revolver Hammer Safety
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:42:23 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California

In article <53033@mimsy.umd.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:

#  My worry is that if I'm walking through the woods with a holstered
#revolver that I might fall, and brush against a tree when falling, and
#that would unsnap my holster and the gun would fall out hitting a rock
#so that the cylinder would pop open, rotate a bit so that the empty
#position was no longer under the firing pin, and then close on the
#next bounce, and then get a branch in front of the trigger and the
#force of the moving gun would cause the trigger to move backwards
#with respect to the frame and then the gun would fire.

I know what you mean, man.  That happened to a friend of mine once.

John Bercovitz     (JHBercovitz@lbl.gov)
From: sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Terminator)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: PEN GUN
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:30:34 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <53043@mimsy.umd.edu> wwarf@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (wayne john warf) writes:
#In article <53004@mimsy.umd.edu> sybok@m4-035-1.MIT.EDU (The Terminator) writes:
##Where could I get a pen gun?
#
#There was a company making what looked like a "Cross" pen in .22LR a few
#years ago called "Pen-fire." They were selling to Law Enforcement only
#but you see them sometimes in Shotgun News as collector pieces. Pen guns
#are NFA "any other weapons" subject to registration and a $5 transfer tax.

A handgun is not an NFA "any other weapon," so how is handgun defined so
it doesn't include pen guns?
From: jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Handgun grip and feel (was Re: Can a woman handle .357 or .45?)
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:30:50 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In article <53006@mimsy.umd.edu> tporczyk@novell.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
#I just took my girlfriend to the range yesterday for the first time,
#she took a satefy course and then shot (with some additional initial
#instruction) a S&W 686 .357 magnum and a Glock 21 .45 ACP.  After the
#first 10-15 she was able to put two magazines consistently all in the
#black at 8 yards.  She is medium height, agerage weight.  I guess that
#pretty much dispelled for me a myth that a woman cannot handle .357 or
#.45 effectively.  In fact, she liked the .45 much more than either 9mm
#or .40S&W, and she scored better with it.

It depends on how big her hands are.  She could be 5' short (I refuse 
to acknowledge that anyone who is under 5'6" is tall :) ), but have big
enough hands and strong enough arms/hands/wrists to fire off an IMI
Desert Eagle .50 AE.  It's more of an issue of the size of her hands and 
strength of the hands/wrists that determines if one can handle a handgun 
properly or not.

I went to the Del Mar Gun Show (San Diego area) yesterday.  Several 
dealers had a couple of Glock 21's on display.  I took the liberty of
trying pistols for size and grip in my hand for those display tables 
that did not have "Do not handle" or "Do not touch" signs.  It fits 
right in my hand (uncomfortably, it would take some getting use to),
but I like the feel of the H&K P9S (yes, they are available used much 
to my surprise) better if I was looking for a .45 ACP.  I also tried 
the SIG P226 and it fit just right.  I wanted to try the SIG P228, but 
none of the dealers had any.  I plan on renting both pistols at a range 
to find out which one works better for me.  If I get better handling 
with the P228, I can live without 2 additional rounds in the magazine 
plus I get slightly better concealability as a bonus.

I probably have the proper hand size for the .357 and .44 magnums as
well, but I wouldn't want to put my hand through that type of beating
until I've gotten accustomed to handling 9mm and .45 ACP pistols.  That
and I do have a slight handicap with my right wrist; mild carpal tunnel
syndrome.  Instinctively, I'd tend to favor my left hand for shooting
since it is physically stronger, but I think the best bet for me would 
be to learn to shoot with either hand.
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From: gmk@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.EDU (Geoff Kotzar)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .357 Home Protection Gun Recommendations Sought
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:28:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University

In article <52740@mimsy.umd.edu> kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack) writes:
#In article <52688@mimsy.umd.edu> jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath) writes:
##
##Hmmm, the FBI guy who finally managed to end the gunfight in
##Miami didn't look like either Arnold or Superman.  It is pretty
#
#	If you're referring to "FBI: The Untold Stories" then   
#   recall that he was slow and had to use the car bumper as a  
#   a rest.  
#

At the time of the shootout, Ed Mireles weighed somewhere between 260 and
280 pounds. If I remember the write-up correctly, the FBI was bordering on
disciplinary actions to get him to reduce his weight. Maybe not Superman,
but definitely not a small man. However, the one-handed cycling of a pump
shotgun can be done by anyone; accurate fire would require some form of
forearm rest though. In both portrayals of the FBI Miami shootout -the movie
called "The FBI Massacre" with David Soul and Michael Gross as Platt and Matix
and the TV show cited above- Mireles was played by rather trim actors, but I
don't know if it was to keep up the Bureau's image of the Elite Law Enforcement
Organization or simply because of the realities of the available Hispanic
actors.

geoff kotzar
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: c9107677@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: ammonia
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:26:38 GMT


I just discovered news on my uni account the other day and found the recipe for 
touch powder (iodine and ammonia) and promptly went home to make some. After
getting some iodine i tried to make it but the results were woeful, so I made
my own ammonia by mixing caustic soda and ammonium sulphate ( gardeners
sulphate of ammonia) 
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: levi@bluemoon.rn.com (Brandon Moore)
Subject: Re: Homemade banger
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 23:39:45 EDT

Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant) writes:
> the detonator, I use 1 match stich
>                      a peice of 5 amp fuse wire
>                      a fuse from a fire cracker or similar
> I wrap the fuse wire around the match stick and also around the fire 
> cracker fuse, connect each end of the fuse wire to a longer peice of 
> wire, Insert the fuse into the open end of the metal pipe (which has 
> your compacted explosive in it) leave only the wires trailing out, then 
> crimp the open end, thats the bomb, to detonate attach to a 12V car 
> battry, creating a short circuit. PS use a very long wire and take cover, 
> the remains of the bomb generally go a BLOODY LONG WAY, and as for the 
> BANG, it is un equalled, no kidding, when I first did one in our neighbour 
> BANG, it is un equalled, no kidding, when I first did one in our neighbour 
> hood a lot of people came out of their houses looking for gas leak, 
> or a burning car etc. All disclaimers apply, ie all care taken, no responsibl
> ty accepted.

 
Not to put anyone down or anything, but it always amazes me as to how some 
people act as if they have invented the first pipe bomb.  I am also 
bewiltered by the descriptive instructions given pertaining to their 
manufacture.  For such a simple device, we're given a half page of 
instructions when a simple "fill a pipe with your fuel-oxidizer, add a 
fuse, and try to avoid fatal accidents" would sufice, as if we needed to 
know even that.  I also take note of how such simple matters as a fuse, 
electrical in this case, can take on strange mutations in small details 
due to the authors "inventivness" and "creativity".  Of course, before it 
is all through, we find ourselves with yet another story of a bomber
coming of age, so to speak, as he realizes his new found power to make a 
big noise and create a mass of potentially fatal debris.

note:  the above was simply a outward display of negative thoughts that 
 had remained repressed for longer than is healthy.  Please, no-one take 
 this personally.  Although I believe there is some relevence to my 
 observations, I do tend to be rude and sarcastic at time, but then again
 that's not abnormal in my case.

 This is from
     levi@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have their own obnoxious signature yet
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Zinc Powder
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:34:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

jstevens@aaron.carleton.ca (Jonathan Stevenson) writes:
: 
: My father built a rocket using 40% Zinc/60% Sulfer around this time.
: I wonder if he got the idea from this article (He did read SCI
: AMERICAN at that time)?  Incidently, he was able to obtain powdered
: sulfer from a drug store, and you can still get the stuff in some
: stores today (sulfer is a laxative).  The powdered zinc was obtained
: from a local paint manufacturer at that time.  I don't think that
: modern paints use zinc or powdered metals anymore (most are just
: plastics) but rust-paint may.  Whether modern companies would simply
: hand over the stuff to your average citizen is another question!
: 
: As to how good this fuel is:  The stuff actually has a name (AMMOTAL?)

Nope - amatol is an explosive consisting of ammonium nitrate and TNT.

: and was quite popular in small military rockets (in fact, I think it
: was used in the first U.S. bazookas in WWII) as the stuff is quite
: stable.

Depends on your definition of stable. There have been quite a number
of rather nasty accidents that have occured while mixing this fuel.
It is believed that the dust from the finely powdered components sometimes
reacts in the air until ignition temperature is reached.


:          It is also the only fuel that I know of that is not oxidized
: using oxygen (sulfur, same family on the periodic table) appears to
: serve as "oxidizer".

There are others, but they are seldom used by amateur experimenters.

Bill
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 20:45:11 EDT
From: <DCD104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: looking for cheap oxidizer
 <1992Apr11.221544.10380@ousrvr.oulu.fi>

Could anyone tell me how to isolate the potassium chlorate in fertilizer?
I need a Really cheap oxidizer for my little explosions.
                           thanx.
                           daval- dcd104@psuvm.psu.edu
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Salutes
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:32:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
: 
: In article <1992Apr13.172819.26213@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: |>Good advice. However, it is interesting that the commercially produced flash
: |>powders I have purchased came in plastic containers. They said to do the
: |>mixing in those containers.
: 
: Perhaps the plastic is one of those special anti-static types, such as used
: for packaging computer circuit boards.  Does the plastic have a metallic sheen?
: What happens if you rub one of the containers (UNCONTAMINATED BY FLASH) against
: your hair or a random cat on a dry day?

The plastic looks just like that used in plastic milk jugs. It does not have
a metallic anti-static coating.

I don't use the stuff any more. It was fine for flash effect in the theatre,
but would be worthless for salutes. I don't think I even have any of the
old empty containers. 

I guess I could go to a theatre supply shop and buy a small batch. Don't 
know when I will get to the big city again though.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason)
Subject: Re: Help with "bomb"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:08:51 GMT

>I read this string and an article from Theatre Crafts came to mind
>for a cheap smoke machine:
>
>Electric and propane insect foggers cost about $50, are easy to use
>and work very quickly.  
>
>If this isn't really what you're looking for, you might want to
>reference other back issues of Theatre Crafts--they often have good
>cheap solutions..
>
>		-dOug 
>
	You don't want to _kill_ the audience!  Just surprise them a 
little!!!  I don't think the insecticide would go over well with the
actors either. ;-)
	Serriously: Those insecticides are designed to fog up, you
couldn't just add water and hope the steam will work.  You might,
though, be able to find _something_ that will work, but I'd be
worried about toxicity.  Your best bet is to just go with the 
commercially available stuff.

-Jason

--
"One day I'll get what's mine through the persistence of time"
						    -Anthrax 'Time'
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Chemical Info
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:29:25 GMT

jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:
: >
: >I don't think that CCl4 was the problem, I think it was that it decomposed
: >into nasty products when exposed to high temperatures. My memory on the
: >matter could be faulty.
: >
: >Bill
: 
: 	Actually the CCl4 _was_ the problem.  It is rather carcinogenic.
: In my chemistry lab we have a bottle of it that stays ONLY under the fume
: hood.  The bottle, incidentally, is marked with all kinds of bright yellow
: safetly warning labels.  
: 
: -Jason

Yep. But then, according to the government, just about everything is
dangerous. Look at the warning labels on a container of either sodium
chloride or white sand. You would think you were risking your life
just by opening the containers.

Bill
From: cronin@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Fester the Penguin)
Subject: Re: Homemade banger
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 18:13:48 GMT

Gentlemen! GENTLEMEN! No flames, please! This is rec.pyrotechnics!

:-)

Tom Cronin
Who's in a good mood even though he thinks he bombed a test this morning.
From: spcecdt@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (John DuBois)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Zinc Powder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 03:21:55 GMT
Organization: The Armory


     My 1960 edition of _The SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN Book of Projects for
the Amateur Scientist_ (C. L. Stong) describes making zinc/sulfur rocket
engines.  My wacky Jr. High science instructor made an enormous batch of
such fuel intending to pack it into a rocket, but decided it would be too
much trouble so just poured it out in the quad and lit it (after several
attempts).  Quite spectacular, but I wish he'd put it in a rocket.  Oh
well.

	John
-- 
John DuBois	spcecdt@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us	KC6QKZ
From: daemon@flamer.hell.edu (The Devil Himself)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Ammonium Triiodide...
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:23:33 GMT
Reply-To: daemon@flamer.hell.edu
Organization: Hades Unlimited


Can anyone provide instructions for making
Ammonium Triiodide...?  (based on ordinary house-hold chemicals... or 
those that are easy to obtain...)
((or if you know of an easy way to get/make sulfuric/nitric acid let me know too))
 
Any other nice explosives to make...
 
I tried to make RDX once... but butchering my way
around sulfuric and nitric acid in conc. form didn't work...
I guess to make anything really worth your while, you really need
conc nitric and sulfuric acid...
 
The Devil!
--
From: eckhart@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Douglas C. Eckhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Help with "bomb"
Summary: smoke alternative
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:29:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Apr9.202909.16984
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

> >>I am new to this newsgroup, apologies if this is common knowledge.
> >>
> >>I have been elected to help with special effects on a theatrical set.  One
> >>of my assignments is to create an explosion on stage, the force of which
> >>"kills" someone.  The description of the effect is below:
> >>
> >>	A flash powder "bomb" is contained in a 20 gal. can and located
> >>	under the stair landing.  A heating register mounted in the
> >
>   [ space saving deletions inserted here ....ssdih ]
> >Here's how I would OPTIMALLY do it:  Use a PyroPac (commercially available 
> >theatrical explosion effect equipment and powder) OFFSTAGE (way off) for a
> 
> 
> While I don't have the manufactures name handy I saw A device demonstrated at
> a magic convention last fall that uses compressed air. It IS used to shoot
> streamers WAY out over the audience and is sufficiently loud enough to cause
> at least two heart attacks per performance. It was over my price range but
> not all that bad, (around $200.00 I think) but then again I do close up magic

I read this string and an article from Theatre Crafts came to mind
for a cheap smoke machine:

Electric and propane insect foggers cost about $50, are easy to use
and work very quickly.  

If this isn't really what you're looking for, you might want to
reference other back issues of Theatre Crafts--they often have good
cheap solutions..

		-dOug 

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