From: goid@zooid.guild.org (Will Steeves)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,soc.men
Subject: Re: Male Choice Revi (1)
Date: 14 Nov 92 16:23:00 GMT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
X-To: ADRIENNE REGARD

regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes...
AR>>>>>(don and me)  (AR>>> = Adrienne    AR>> = Don)

AR>>>Uh huh.  And 'male choice' will exacerbate this problem rather than
AR>>>helping it.  Those men who ARE single parents will be even less accomodated
AR>>>by our social systems, because they "chose" their single parenthood.
AR>>>And they would, through the same argument of choice you mention, NOT
AR>>>be entitled to any support from the absent mother.

AR>>Please explain.  In particular, please address whether our social systems
AR>>accomodate single fathers as they do single mothers, and why the
AR>>"argument of choice" implies that a mother would not have to pay.

AR>First, you have male parents NOW who are unfairly treated by the courts
AR>who do not recognise their equity in parenthood.  And then you are going
AR>to determine that some portion of male parents (and ONLY male parents) can
AR>say, "See ya!" unilaterally.                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


This is extremely disingenuous, Adrienne.  You make it seem as though people
who are Pro-Male Choice, are against women's rights, or at least only in favour
of rights for men.  (Besides which, when have the more radical sects of feminism
ever denied that they are only seeking more rights for women... in order to
"reach equality")  Believe me, the reason why men are asking for the right to
abdicate parenthood during pregnancy (and only during pregnancy), is because
*women already have this right*!


AR>Look like a 'good thing' to you?  Sure, it's a slippery slope, but you haven'
AR>shown any evidence that we are even dealing with a real problem, yet!

Try asking LeVar Burton, Frank Serpico, and others who are first hand proof of
what kind of a problem forced fatherhood really is.


AR>Now, note something here, Don, before you get all nasty again:  I freely
AR>acknowledge that this is merely my opinion.  I don't have any studies or
AR>stats behind me on this particular issue, either.  And I respect your right
AR>to express your opinion. -> Note, I may not have quoted this exactly right;
                               my reply editor only quoted the first 99 lines!


WHAT!  You might "respect" (Oh No!  YOU SAID IT!) his right to have an opinion,
yet you just called him "dim"?  (among other things)

I might understand it if you were to be insulting only when you get really
angry about something, but IMHO, the insults seem to flow freely enough for me
to make a "guess" that it appears to be second-nature with you.  (Or perhaps
everything that Pro-Male Choice supporters say, makes you angry <-: )

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