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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 25 Dec 1992 21:10:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:

>I argued that we should put the current show of TNG in a seperate
>newsgroup. 

And in a slightly expanded form, the majority of the voters agreed with you.
Hence, r.a.s.current.

>I would suggest this to be the case for both B5 and DS9.

TNG and DS9 will be crossing over, so having one group devoted to 
current TNG and one on current DS9 will produce such overduplication of 
info as to be laughable.

As for B5, it does not and should not affect the r.a.s. hierarchy.  How it
will impact rec.arts.sf.tv is a different matter, and one that is probably 
worth discussing.

>The reason why  the current show of a single series should be in it's
>own newsgroup is that you only have 7 days to read and respond to the
>mail. 

There are several problems with this.

1)  TNG (or DS9, or B5, or any syndicated series) does not air at one set
time during the week across the country.  Precisely what seven-day period
are you arguing for?  If it's seven days after the satellite link (the first
time anyone can see it), then you're allowing late markets (such as NYC) 
no time whatsoever to comment.  If it's seven days after the last broadcast
in a given market, then what about those beforehand?

2) Usenet has propagation delays, especially for those not on Internet back-
bone sites.  Some people might not *get* posts until a week after they've been
posted; are they therefore to be excluded?

This is why r.a.s.current has a *four-month* period; it easily covers all 
those bases, and allows an appropriate length of time for all discussion to 
die out.  (For instance, "Time's Arrow II" is coming up on four months old,
and moving threads on it to r.a.s.misc is no problem whatsoever right now.)
R.a.s.current as currently defined, if used appropriately, should amply manage
to contain discussion about both current TNG and current DS9.

We don't need another split; what we need is for people to start following the
*existing* rules a little more closely before complaining about the situation.
(I don't mean you, David; just a general comment.)

Tim Lynch
From: dawsonj@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: help!!!!!!!!
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:15:07 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology


Hi people

I am having problems with my system at uni, if any one gets this message
can you reply to it, or mail me at   DAWSONJ@qut.edu.au

Ciao

Jason


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From: aewright@unix.amherst.edu (Anthony E. Wright)
Subject: CoC I Ripoffs
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:13:55 GMT

A group of us, while watching Chain of Command I, saw that way too many things
were ripped off from other movies. Indeed, the entire commando mission seemed
to be hased together plots from old movies.

Going to the bar, ala Star Wars. The Ferengi was talking about getting his
bounty back, I think a direct quote from Jabba the Hut. Worf was silent, almost
like a Chewbacca figure. Picard had on a Solo-like outfit, but played the
Obi-wan role: "i want some safe transport." So they mixed-and matched
characters, the whole thing was far too reminiscent of Star Wars. Even Beverly
Crushers acting seemed influenced by Leia.

When they are down in the caverns, we get hints from two other movies. Worfs
reaction to the bats, with Beverly's wry "you're not afraid of bats, are you?"
sounded vaguely reminiscent of the Raiders of the Lost Ark series. And when
they went repelling, Picard said, "don't cross the lines," which I know is
standard advice for people who do repel, but still sounds like Ghostbusters.
So what is this is far-fetched?

---

Best new technology: Those fusion whatchmacallits that are spikes that 
automatically drill themselves in solid granite.

Most ambiguous technology: That anti-security device that creates a false image
around the door way. It wasn't very convincing how this technology actually
evaded any security devices.

---

THe best contrast between Picard and Jellico: their trademark lines.
	Picard:	Make It So.
	Jelico: Get it Done.

---
What is a priority 2 channel, and why did the captain and the admiral use it
for their "our friends" communication? Why not a higher priority, or a lower
prioirity if they were going to speak in such coded terms?

						Peace,
						Anthony
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From: "phred werenich" <phred.werenich@canrem.com>
Subject: chain of command
Reply-To: "phred werenich" <phred.werenich@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:05:53 EST

Ok.  Sundry mild spoilers for Chain of Command (is there anyone out
there who HASN'T seen it yet?)

























Several people have made postings with regard to the suitability of
Picard/Worf/Crusher for the mission.  I tend to agree.  Picard is a fine
diplomat.  He is not a commando.  The Federation must have had other
more EXPENDABLE people available for the job.  Yanking a captain off of
his ship just before a war is a risky thing to do.  I really doubt that
Starfleet would send Picard.

But, they needed a plot device to get him there.  So we accept blindly
that Picard is the "only man for the job".

Now, why did the Cardassians wait to capture him?  They seemed content
to let Picard sneak through the tunnels of that very Horta-esque planet.
 Why not nab him as soon as he beams down?

Big question now.  The 500 Meter drop.  Remember Picard said they would
have to repel down?  I thought repel meant use an anti-grav or some such
thing.  Wrong.  Repel meant use rope.  No big deal right?  I mean, rope
has worked well for thousands of years.  Why shouldn't they still have
rope in the 24th century?
True enough.  But how much rope would it take to "repel" 500 meters?
That's half a kilometer.  Picard, Worf, and Crusher EACH had 500 meters
worth of what appeared to be 1/2 inch rope on their backs?  They all
slid down on separate ropes remember.  Mighty heavy pile of rope I would
think.  In fact, I don't believe that you could keep half a kilometer of
rope on your back.

Any mountaineers out there?  How much rope is 500M ?

Other than that, I thought it was an ok episode.  Picard buying passage
from the Ferengi seemed to me to be reminiscent of the scene in Star
Wars where Luke & Ben Kenobi try to buy passage in that bar.

I'd give the episode a 6.  Mildly entertaining.  But nothing to write
home about (as Data would say).
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From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: STARDATES
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 23:02:06 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin) writes:

>    I would very much like to hear any more that you have discovered about
> the stardate system. Please post it when it is done.
> 
> 	 Frnks! :>
> --
> frnk@bucs1.bradley.edu, frnk@camelot.bradley.edu, am417@cleveland.freenet.Edu
>    Fezzik shook him gently.
>    Vizzini did not wake.
>    Not so gently this time.
>    Nothing.
>    "Oh, I see, you're dead." Fezzik said.
>                               - Fezzik, _The Princess Bride_ p179

I don't think that there is all that much more that can be figured out 
about the TNG Stardate system, but I am almost finished with the rest of 
the calculations and will post the completed list in a few days.

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
........
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From: SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig)
Subject: Chain of Command & 2 part stories
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:42:14 GMT

In spite of all the "problems", "inconsistencies", and "flaws" with Chain of 
Command (remember, it's just TV - it's just pretend), is anyone besides me 
grateful that they (Paramount, et al) decided to make this a two parter 
instead of trimming and hacking and compressing it to fit one show?

It's kind of nice to have a story that doesn't neatly tie itself up in the 
last 2.5 minutes, between the last commerical and ending credits.

At least, IMO...

Steven
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From: ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239)
Subject: Data makes a great first officer for Jellico ;)
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:59:03 GMT

For a no nonsense, do it instantly if not sooner type of personality I
think Data is the best 1st Officer in the fleet. The sucker agreed with
Jellico even when it ment hard work for Geordi, but he did it in a way that
wasn't really underhanded. Then even Jellico tells Data he wants the ship to
be somewhere in such an amount of time; Data practically instantly gives the
heading and speed necessary for this to occur. 

I'd like to see Data as a Captain one day...Maybe the next generation of
this generation we will see Data as a higher rank. Lord knows he'll out live
'em all ;)

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From: dsy@psych.toronto.edu (Desiree Sy)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:15:39 GMT

Eric Williams writes
> Regarding her choice of uniform: Has everyone forgotten her
> Betazoid/zed background? Marriages take place in the buff.

(1) Following this train of thought, various other personnel
could wear dress uniforms (or, depending on how long this custom
lasted, white dresses), kimonos, saris, battle armour -- you get
the idea.  That is, what people wear at marriages is what people
wear at marriages, not on the bridge.

(2) Many people have mentioned the fact that participants and
guests at Betazed marriages are nude as if that denoted that
Betazoids generally are more uninhibited in dress.  Is this true?
I haven't seen all the Lwaxana episodes, so I may have missed
some other evidence, but I haven't heard any evidence that
Betazoids dress to reveal their bodies.  Just because Troi wears
outfits with cleavage doesn't mean all Betazoid women do so.

-desiree
take place 
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 01:13:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.073335.9908@afterlife.ncsc.mil> agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:
>
>
^L
>Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_
>was speaking to Picard about some ruins on some
>Cardassian planet, the Cardassian said the some of
>the artifacts had been _unearthed_. I just find it
>                          ^^^^^    
>kind of odd that the Cardassian would refer to the
>excavation of some other planet as unearthing, since
>that word is linked to our planet EARTH.

However, the word "earth" is also an english synonym for dirt, which has more
relation to the word "unearthed" than the name of our planet does. Since Picard
and Madred were speaking english (or whatever it's called in the 24th century)
it was an entirely appropriate word to use.


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From: simon@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David Joseph Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: The Turbo lift - What gives?
Date: 26 Dec 1992 03:32:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, WI
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Keywords: turbolift, button...

Ok guys, I am sitting here watching COC part II and wondering something.
Since when did they have to press a button to gain access to the turbo lift doors?
Even in the TOS, all they had to do was just walk right on board.  Now, all of a sudden, they have to press a button to get on the thing.
What gives?  
Any insight would be appreciated.  Thanks
David Simon
simon@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: CoC II much better than CoC I (Spoilers!)
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:09:50 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <ewing-211292123739@usrv13> ewing@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Rick Ewing) writes:
>I read this and have to laugh long, loud and very hard.  Patrick Stuart
>already had a "future" outside of Star Trek: 25 years in the HM Royal
>Shakespearean Theatre Company.  Going to television was a step *down* for
>this man.  We should be honored by the fact that we have such a fine
>accomplished actor anywhere near television, especially in science fiction,
>which is notorious for its bad acting (Shatner comes to mind).
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You haven't watched a whole lot of Star Trek, have you?

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: cardassians
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:27:56 EST

 -=> Emmanuel Goldstein babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 EG> Can someone help me out with a little research I'm doing on
 EG> the Cardassians? What I need to know is which episodes have
 EG> mentioned them, either in passing or as a main feature?
 EG> Also, have Cardassians ever been mentioned in either TOS
 EG> of any of the films? (I know about DS9.) I appreciate
 EG> any help.

The Cardassians were first brought up in "The Wounded".  Since them they
appeared in "Ensign Ro".  They were also mentioned in "Man of the
People"  (I think).


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Upcoming Star Trek on ET...
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:43:46 GMT


I happened to catch an ET promo feed... 

On Thursday (12/31) they will have a Deep Space Nine "preview",
although all the scenes they showed seemed to be from the EPK.


But Monday (01/04) is definitely the one not to miss!

They have a special report called "The women of Star Trek".   The promos 
feature clips of Uhura, Rand, Kira, Tasha, Beverly, and Troi (in uniform!).

Here's the copy:

(announcer)
25 years ago when the Enterprise boldly went where no man had gone 
before, women were only along for the ride... but not any more.
On the next Entertainment Tonight, meet the strong new breed of
Star Trek women, who are in the driver's seat.

(Leeza)
Once they were strictly along for the ride, now they are in command.
Meet the bold new breed of Star Trek women... on the next 
Entertainment Tonight, 

(Leeza)
The bold new breed of Star Trek women... in command on the next ET.
[still of Troi, in uniform]

-{ Dean Adams }-

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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 09:56:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.194931.23139@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.114328.537@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec27.221859.18112@uumeme.chi.il.us>, rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec26.210829.1154@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>>>In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
>>>>He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge. 
>>> 
>>> Thats because, he was field promoted to first officer.  They didnt
>>> come right out and say it, but he was wearing the red uniform, and
>>> he also had the increased rank on his collar.
>>
>
>Uh..did you folks noticed that Riker had been relieved of duty by
>Cpt. Jelico. The _bridge_ officer who was next in rank from Cmdr. Riker
>(which is Lt. Cmdr. Data) automatically assumed the responsiblities of 2nd 
>in command. Obviously, either Jelico asked Data to wear the red uniform
>or Data felt that it would be appropriate. 
>

Yes, I did.  In fact that was rather obvious was it not?  Data getting 
promoted while Riker was still F.O. would be rather silly wouldnt it?
Either way, I think he was flat out told he was second in command, Riker
was relieved and data took over.  I somehow dont think data would have
found that just being "appropriate" since data is prudish about these
matters anyhow.

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From: graiche@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (George Raiche)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:27:59 GMT

I just wish Jelico had finished his admonition with this sentence:
"And just why are you on the bridge so often, anyway?!"

Just a thought.
From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Ross Mckinney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 3 to 4 watches (was Re: CoC II - What was left out? <Spoilers>)
Date: 27 Dec 1992 14:14:05 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu


In a previous article, aaron@fiu.edu  (StanleY!) writes:
>>
>>It looks like the reason Jellico changed from 3 to 4 watches, and his other
>>changes, related to the fear of Picard divulging Enterprise secrets when
>>captured.  If so, it turns out that his changes were clever and quite 
>>reasonable.
>>
>But I think I prefer and agree
>with the fellow who said that Jellico forced all those changes due to his
>nature as a control freak.  That, and the fact that they only seemed like
>rather smart changes, considering the situation . . .

     It seems that Jellico gave his new first officer (new to him, that is)
a silly job, and everybody twitches. Did these same people twitch when
Picard gave this same first officer (then new to him) the silly job of
docking the saucer section _manually_???? Suppose Riker had decided to go
ahead and let the computer do it, thinking it wasn't feasible to do it
manually. Picard's reaction to this would be probably much the same as
Jellico's reaction when he found the watches hadn't been changed. To sum
up, I interpret Jellico's order as representing two things:
    1) Changing ship routine to something he is more used to (i.e., perhaps
the Cairo was on a four watch shift, and he just plain prefers it), and
    2) since by reason 1) he wants it done, and since it is a perfect job
for the exec, he decided to see how well his new exec could get admini-
strative things done. How smoothly would Cmdr Riker make the transition?
If the current 3-watch shift ends in 40 minutes, could he have everything
organized so that the first 4-watch shift started in forty mintues? If not,
could he effectively change shifts over in the middle of the shift?


+---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+
| "Of course...we all create God in our own image"  | Jack McKinney          |
|             -Commander Decker, Star Trek:TMP      | jmckinney@tamu.edu     |
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From: bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Bev Woolf - Sysop)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors...When are they mandatory?
Date: 27 Dec 92 13:05:02 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-woolf] The Woolf's Den BBS

In <1992Dec27.014354.28280@umbc3.umbc.edu>
ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:

>
>My question is why was it absolutely necessary that Data wear red when taking
>the place of a 1st Officer? Or was it perhaps not abosolutely necessary, but
>just took place anyway...I'm curious about this.
>

Maybe Data reasoned that if Jellicoe wanted Troi to wear a uniform when on
the bridge, he should wear the 'proper' color jersey when he took the place
of Riker?

...Bev


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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Latest ST:DSN Schedule (corrected)
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:47:31 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <bo.256.725755165@enterprise.umd.edu> bo@enterprise.umd.edu (Geoffrey S. Elbo) writes:
<In article <4631@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<><Here is the first of many postings regarding ST:DSN scheduling.
<Which we all appreciate!
<
<><1/2   1/02/93     		Emissary
<><  3   1/09/93  404		Past Prologue
<><  4   1/16/93  403		A Man Alone
<><  5   1/23/93  405		Babel
<                 ^^^What does this number mean?

Just like TNG, it is the production number.
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: DSN Promos for "Emissary" (Pilot) #721
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:36:35 GMT

Here is the promo copy for "Emissary", the pilot episode of DEEP SPACE NINE.
Both the promos and the actual episode were released today.  The 2-hour
premiere version has a special production code of #721 (same as Encounter 
At Farpoint), although the two parts in the future will be rerun separately
as episodes #401 and #402.

Needless to say... these promos are loaded with a non-stop, 
dazzling array of clips from the episode.


(:30 version)
At the edge of the final frontier, the universe's greatest mystery is 
about to unfold...  A journey beyond the boundaries of charted space.
Where a dark, mysterious world waits on the threshold of new discovery.
Prepare yourself for adventure beyond imagination.  Prepare for the 
thrilling two-hour world premiere of... Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.


(:15 version)
The greatest mystery in the universe unfolds.  Prepare yourself for 
a thrilling adventure to the farthest edge of the final frontier, 
on the two-hour world premiere of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.


(:10 version)
Voyage to the edge of the final frontier, on the thrilling 
two-hour world premiere of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.


-{ Dean Adams }-

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