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From: "simon goykhman" <simon.goykhman@canrem.com>
Subject: baseball trivia
Reply-To: "simon goykhman" <simon.goykhman@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:56:23 EST

I came accross an interesting Trivia Question that I can't seem to get
the answer to.  Apparently, in the 7th Edition of The Baseball
Encyclopedia, Honus Wagner was listed as having more HR's (or RBI's or
Hits or something important) than in the 8th edition.  I'd like to know
what stat it is and what the deviation is between the 2 editions.

Thanks,
Gene Goykhman
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Astacio Brilliant Again Tonight Over Giants
Date: 12 Sep 1992 23:56:16 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Pedro Astacio pitched his third shut out this season, a six hitter
as the Dodgers breezed over the Giants 7-0.  Astacio now has
3 wins and 3 losses in 7 starts...all three wins via shutouts.

The Dodgers scored in the first when Offerman doubled and
scored when Matt Williams made an error.  The big blow
for the Dodgers came in the 5th, after they had chased Bud
Black.  Mike Piazza hit a three run home run, his first home
run in the majors.  Astacio scored the Dodgers last run
on a sacrifice fly.  Astacio also had his first major league
hit tonight.

The Dodgers made one error tonight while banging out 13 hits.
Brett Butler did not play again tonight.  He had his second
root canal surgery yesterday in two weeks, and this time he had
too much pain to play.
					BleedsDodgerBlue

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From: jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com (Jeff Heilner)
Subject: Re: GET OFF THE BANDWAGON!
Organization: SPS
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:33:12 GMT


 
> I wrote:
>> When did all of you *supposed* Oakland A's "fans" become so? When they  
>> acquired all of their winning talent? And now that you feel a large
>> piece is gone, you no longer feel the team is worthy of your support?
>> If this is true, then good riddance!!! 
>> Don't hurt yourself getting off the bandwagon!!

Gidi Avrahami responds: 
> I am not an A's fan.  Never was, never will be.  I just happen to live
> in the bay area.  I used to like watching the A's -- now I like'em less.

You are someone who likes baseball, lives in an area where there is a good  
team, playing good baseball, and even though you are not a fan of that  
team, you enjoy attending their games?

Fair enough....I apologize for directing my frustration towards you.

 
> I'll be careful.  And you, don't hurt yourself jumping for joy at the
> departure of that horrible disruptive influence, Canseco.

My posting said NOTHING about my postion on the trade, pro or con. For the  
record, I am in favor of the trade, but for reasons that have NOTHING to  
do with Canseco's supposed "disruptive influence." I could care less about  
that (if you want further proof, ask me about the A's handling of their  
other "disruptive influence" - Dave Kingman). 

- Jeff

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From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Subject: Hall of Fame Votes
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:38:40 GMT

I have not yet tabulated the results, for anyone who thought they may
have missed them.  Sorry about the delay, but it is only convenient for
me to process the ballots using some of the equipment in my wife's office.
I haven't been there for a couple of weeks, hence the delay.

I promise it will get done before the World Series.  (Ambitious, huh?  8-)

Bob Davis	"They're not dead - they're just metaphysically
		 challenged." - Tom Servo, MST3K
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for 3Bs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:06:18 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE			RC/27	"VALUE"
Gary Sheffield, San Diego	9.38	5.10
Ken Caminiti, Houston		6.80	2.34
Terry Pendleton, Atlanta	6.44	2.67
Dave Hollins, Philadelphia	6.09	2.29
Dave Magadan, New York		5.77	1.32
Chris Sabo, Cincinnati		4.87	0.74
Steve Buechele, Chicago		4.75	0.94
NL AVERAGE			4.73
Todd Zeile, St. Louis		4.71	0.72
Bret Barberie, Montreal		3.84	0.04
Tim Wallach, Montreal		3.68	-0.02
Matt Williams, San Francisco	3.37	-0.32
Dave Hansen, Los Angeles	3.32	-0.27

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Edgar Martinez, Seattle		9.65	4.21
Robin Ventura, Chicago		6.15	2.19
Leo Gomez, Baltimore		6.11	1.99
Gregg Jefferies, Kansas City	5.81	1.74
Rene Gonzales, California	5.61	0.65
Dean Palmer, Texas		5.24	1.25
Wade Boggs, Boston		5.07	0.93
AL AVERAGE			4.84
Carney Lansford, Oakland	4.72	0.62
Kevin Seitzer, Milwaukee	4.63	0.70
Scott Leius, Minnesota		4.15	0.22
Charlie Hayes, New York		4.10	0.23
Brook Jacoby, Cleveland		3.97	0.07
Scott Livingstone, Detroit	3.85	0.01
Gary Gaetti, California		3.52	-0.15
Kelly Gruber, Toronto		3.46	-0.26

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Contract weirdness and unabashed WOOF!
Keywords: WOOF!  WOOF!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:32:51 GMT

In <17068@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary FDA Approved Huckabay) writes:

>(Warren "Hey, officer!  How do you get 3 cops out of a bathroom?" Usui) writes:
>>	I read somewhere that Will Clark's contract contains about 100 fairly
>>normal activities (gardening, skiing, tennis, basketball) that Will Clark
>>is not allowed to participate in.  Does anyone out there know the details?

The list is in the back of Baseball America about 14 months ago. Mainly
sports that Clark can not participate in. Including things like mountain 
climbing, power boat racing, snowmobiling with tree stumps, running with
the bulls at Pamplona, etc. etc.   

>Hey, how do *I* get one of these contracts?

>"Kathy, I'd love to help you do the dishes, but unfortately, my
>contract with UC Davis explicitly forbids me from doing so, due to the
>dangers of chapped hands, and potential workers' compensation claims
>arising therefrom."

If you get one of these contracts perhaps you can give me the job as 
your personal net.correspondent. Don't want to risk that tunnel-carp
syndrome thing that people get from typing too much.

>Woof:  Stick a fork in the Twins.  They're done.

Anti-woof: The Twins are dead. Wrapped in plastic.

Being the true glum Scandinavian types, Twins fans have been saying this
since the White Sox series.

>One final note: The 1992 prediction results will be posted
>approximately one week after the world series is over.  Should be
>intriguing.  We'll have to see who wins this year's two big awards,
>the "Kreskin" and the "Enquirer."

Since I didn't take part this year, I'll be looking forward to these.
I seem to remember some Chowderhead [tm] saying that Seattle was going
to have a good team this year. It is to laugh.
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: AL Cy Young update
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:38:08 GMT


Things weren't looking good for Clemens after he lost his eighth, but
since then he has won twice more.  The Big Four have now pulled ahead
of the pack in wins.  McDowell leads with a 19-7 record!  Morris, who
has pitched well recently, is at 18-5, with Brown at 18-8 right
behind.  Clemens isn't far off the pace with a 17-8 record.  Nobody
else has more than 15 wins at this date.

Clemens (2.26), Guzman (2.33), and Appier (2.44) continue to dominate
the ERA list.  Again, they are pulling away from their competition.
McDowell is eighth with a 3.14 ERA, Brown is tenth at 3.25, and Morris
has lowered his ERA to 4.18.

Randy Johnson has joined the strikeout race.  Clemens leads with 183,
but Johnson (182) and Perez (179) aren't far behind.  Eight pitchers
have between 140 and 150 Ks.

McDowell continues to lead in complete games with 11, but Nagy,
Clemens, and Brown each have 10.  Perez isn't far behind at 9.

If Clemens manages to take the lead in wins, he could be the first AL
pitcher in 40 years to win the pitching triple crown (wins, ERA, and Ks).

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Amazing Walk Total
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:16:19 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support

From article <1992Sep9.182541.20103@news.iastate.edu>, by sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm):
> This is one of the most amazing things I've seen this year.
> 
> Randy Johnson   172 innings ..... 124 BB !!!
> 
> Good grief - is this close to some kind of record for a season?

As a comparison, one year Bobby Witt (88?) had just over 140
innings, strikeouts and walks!  The numbers weren't identical,
but all three were between 141 and 149.  I found it rather
funny that all three were so close.

And I believe that in at least one year he personally lead the
entire AL in walks allowed.

Mike West
west@esd.dl.nec.com
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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Defensive Positions and Offensive Contribution.
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:06:25 GMT

In article <16874@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Joel Zuhars) writes:
>Mike Fester writes:
>>I'll say this slowly; NOBODY HITS AS A SHORTSTOP. You get NO extra credit for 
>>your OFFENSE as a SHORTSTOP. NONE. A hit is a hit whether it comes from a 
>>firstbaseman, a DH, or a right fielder. Period. In evaluating an offense,
>>you use OFFENSIVE statistics, NOT a players' DEFENSIVE position.
>
>What about when evaluating a PLAYER, which is what you've been doing
>here?  

No, it isn't what he's doing here. He was rebutting the statement
that Fryman contributes more to the Tiger's offense than Fielder
does. And he's right. 

Of course, Fryman contributes lots more to the Tiger's defense than
Fielder does.

Whether Fielder's plus on offense is more than Fryman's plus on
defense is open for debate. Commence debating...



-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
      There's something in my library to offend everybody.
        --- Washington Coalition Against Censorship
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: roy NL
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:01:09 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Sep8.171116.18240@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.153300.1877@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>
>>In any event, it really doesn't matter. Sanders is a quality CF, in a hitters'
>>park. He deserves CONSIDERATION for the ROY, but he IS a part-timer. 
>
>So, we should give Karros the ROY just because he plays everyday?  This same
>logic gave Walt Weiss the ROY over Bryan Harvey in '88.
>
>The question is, how much is Karros helping the team by playing everyday?  Not
>much, judging from the fact that he is *below average* for a first baseman.
>Sanders, although he only plays 65% of the time, contributes much more, since
>he is *way* above average.  Similar, although a smaller case, for Alou.
>
>And, should we punish Sanders for Lou Piniella's stupidity?
>
Stupidity??
In what regard?  I think Piniella does a pretty good job managing hitters and
the defense, though it seems now even he has begun to realize his weakness
in managing the pitchers.  But what does this have to do with Sanders?
He plays when it makes sense for him to play.  Remember, there are 6 quality
starting outfielders on the Reds staff.
Some, like Martinez and O'Neill are there because they can play damn good 
defense, some, like Sanders and Braggs, are there because they have some
POP on offense.  Sanders and Roberts are exceptionally speedy, too.  
I think Piniella has been able to utilize his tools offensively and defensively
quite well, thank you, but no team can reasonably expect to stay on top
when, for example, the DL becomes home to 12 different starting players in
the course fo the year!

RStimets
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Amazing Walk Total
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:14:42 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1427@swuts.sbc.com> cpg4160@swuts.sbc.com (Dan McCue) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.182541.20103@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu  
(Steven C Kelm) writes:
> >This is one of the most amazing things I've seen this year.
> >
> >Randy Johnson   172 innings ..... 124 BB !!!
> 
> And at the other end of the spectrum:
> 
> Bob Tewksbury:  213 IP, 16 W, 17 BB !!!  (including his 7 IP on Sunday,
>                                           Sept. 13 against the Cubs)
> 
> While this is not a record, I read something in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch
> about Tewks trying to become the third pitcher in history to have as many
> or more wins than walks in a season (minimum 10 decisions, I believe).
> Would someone who saw that article or has easy access to those stats please
> correct or clarify?

Well, limiting ourselves to 20th century pitchers with 10 or more wins 
(this may miss some 5-5 picher somewhere) the Franklin gives
                        W BB
Dick Hall         1970 10  6
Deacon Phillippe  1910 14  9
Christy Mathewson 1913 25 21
Slin Sallee       1919 21 20
Christ Mathewson  1914 24 23
Dick Hall         1965 11 11
there are several 19th century pitchers 

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for DHes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 06:02:50 GMT

				RC/27	"VALUE"
Dave Winfield, Toronto		7.70	2.88
Paul Molitor, Milwaukee		7.61	2.43
Brian Downing, Texas		7.02	1.73
Chili Davis, Minnesota		6.55	1.83
Albert Belle, Cleveland		5.78	1.05
Glenn Davis, Baltimore		5.60	0.82
AL AVERAGE			5.15
George Brett, Kansas City	5.01	0.69
Kevin Maas, New York		4.87	0.26
George Bell, Chicago		4.74	0.51
Harold Baines, Oakland		4.66	0.34
Jack Clark, Boston		4.38	0.10
Hubie Brooks, California	2.82	-0.52

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dodgers/Padres Wednesday Night Action
Date: 9 Sep 1992 22:57:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Kevin Gross pitched one of his best games all year and recorded
only his first win since he pitched his no-hitter.  Gross gave
up just one run on a double and a triple in the second inning.
He retired 17 of the last 19 men he faced, allowing just 4 hits total.

Eric Karros was the hitting star for the Dodgers, with a perfect
night, going 3 for 3 with a walk.  He drove in his 74th run of
the season.  As I've said before, nobody is even close to Karros
for rookie of the year honors.  Just look at his numbers, even
ignoring the fact he plays half his games in a pitchers' park for a 
last place team.

Darryl Strawberry contributed for a change with a double and two
walks, Offerman had two hits and the Padres played Dodger-like
baseball, making two errors.

Final score......Dodgers 4 runs, 8 hits, NO errors
		 Padres  1 run,  4 hits,  2 errors

Gross got the complete game win, Harris suffered the loss for the Pads.

In other Dodger news, Eric Davis will undergo surgery on his wrist.

					BleedsDodgerBlue

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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Serious Cubs injury
Organization: NSSL
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.185622.9705@news.iastate.edu> twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
[Story about Laddie Renfroe injury deleted]
>
>	This has been really tough on some fans as today (Sunday) is the
>home and season finale, and Laddie has made it clear that he will
>retire if he does not get a major-league camp invite in the spring or
>if he does not catch on with the AAA expansion team in Charlotte, NC,
>Laddie's favorite part of the country. Laddie is the I-Cubs Dean, 
>having spent five seasons here, and has become something of a crowd
>favorite. He had an outstanding 1991, but has slumped in the bullpen
>this season, giving up an extra-inning grad slam in his last home
>appearance. He had been planning a special 'goodbye' for today's 
>game, but would not divulge any details. It would seem that we'll 
>never know. 

The incident occurred about 5:30, well before I got to the game
Friday, but I didn't learn about until Saturday's papers came.  During
the course of the game, I thought it was odd that Arnsberg was warming
up unstead of Renfroe, but didn't really think much about it.  Laddie
may have been helped by the fact that it was Friday night.  The OKC
ballpark is at the State Fairgrounds, about 1/2 a mile from the State
Fairgrounds automobile track.  Friday night is race night and there's 
an ambulance stationed there, which would have gotten there quicker 
than on other nights.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 6 September)  .242 BA  .376 SLG  .279 OBA
27 H from .300  4 H from .250  8 HBP  9 BB    
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for Cs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:43:54 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE			RC/27	"VALUE"
Darren Daulton, Philadelphia	8.55	4.66
Don Slaught, Pittsburgh		7.21	1.60
Joe Oliver, Cincinnati		4.80	1.51
Mike LaValliere, Pittsburgh	4.57	0.84
Tom Pagnozzi, St. Louis		4.06	0.86
NL AVERAGE			4.05
Greg Olson, Atlanta		4.00	0.54
Joe Girardi, Cincinnati		3.90	0.41
Kirt Manwaring, San Francisco	3.85	0.51
Carlos Hernandez, Los Angeles	3.85	0.27
Benito Santiago, San Diego	3.81	0.50
Eddie Taubensee, Houston	3.47	0.22
Gary Carter, Montreal		3.46	0.21
Damon Berryhill, Atlanta	3.35	0.13
Charlie O'Brien, New York	3.27	0.07
Todd Hundley, New York		3.20	0.08
Mike Scioscia, Los Angeles	3.07	0.01
Darrin Fletcher, Montreal	2.95	-0.03
Scott Servais, Houston		1.93	-0.42

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Chris Hoiles, Baltimore		8.56	3.19	; Pena * 12.76
Mickey Tettleton, Detroit	6.72	2.49
Brian Harper, Minnesota		5.45	2.07
Terry Steinbach, Oakland	5.42	1.69
Dave Valle, Seattle		4.48	1.12
Pat Borders, Toronto		4.39	1.17
Ivan Rodriguez, Texas		4.19	0.86
Matt Nokes, New York		4.07	0.69
Jeff Tackett, Baltimore		4.05	0.39
Mike Macfarlane, Kansas City	4.00	0.61
AL AVERAGE			3.99
Ron Karkovice, Chicago		3.82	0.49
B. J. Surhoff, Milwaukee	3.76	0.51
Tony Pena, Boston		3.32	0.25
Sandy Alomar, Cleveland		3.30	0.19
Mike Fitzgerald, California	3.05	0.02
Junior Ortiz, Cleveland		2.67	-0.11

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: cpg4160@swuts.sbc.com (Dan McCue)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Amazing Walk Total
Summary: Tewksbury, wins ~= walks
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:10:07 GMT
Followup-To: cpg4160@swuts.sbc.com
Organization: Southwestern Bell Telephone Company

In article <1992Sep9.182541.20103@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>This is one of the most amazing things I've seen this year.
>
>Randy Johnson   172 innings ..... 124 BB !!!

And at the other end of the spectrum:

Bob Tewksbury:  213 IP, 16 W, 17 BB !!!  (including his 7 IP on Sunday,
                                          Sept. 13 against the Cubs)

While this is not a record, I read something in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch
about Tewks trying to become the third pitcher in history to have as many
or more wins than walks in a season (minimum 10 decisions, I believe).
Would someone who saw that article or has easy access to those stats please
correct or clarify?

For the first time this season, Tewks pitched on 6 days rest against the
Cubs last night.  I think that Torre held him out that long so that he could
pitch on ESPN and get national exposure for the stretch drive for the Cy Young.
Can anyone else tell me why a guy who's been going 7 IP per game all season,
5 IP in his last outing, would be sitting for 6 days when he's got a shot at
20 wins?  Maybe I'm just a cynic, but that's how I see it . . .

More Cy Young food for thought:  it's been re-re-re-hashed about mediots
voting for most wins ahead of ERA, but if Tewks gets 20 and wins the ERA
title (his 2.07 leads the NL right now), and Glavine does not get to 23,
will that be enough to sway the "most wins = Cy Young" school of thought?
(Glavine stands at 20-7 right now.)

Dan McCue

Bob Tewksbury for CY, because he's such a darned nice guy.
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From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: Re: Times on Base: all-time records and Frank Thomas
Organization: CeNTRe for Number Theory Research
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:31:12 GMT

In article <5580@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:

[...]

Reichler's Great All-Time Baseball Record Book lists all seasons in which a 
player had 300 or more hits plus walks. This isn't exactly what Dr. Dave 
asked for, as it doesn't count hit-by-pitcher; also, my edition only goes to 
1981; but, for what it's worth, here's a summary. 

It has happened 70 times that a player has had 300 or more hits plus walks, 
and 34 different players have done it. In the AL, 15 players have accounted 
for 44 seasons, led by Ruth and Gehrig (9 times, each), Williams (7), 
Foxx (4), and Speaker (3). In the NL, 19 players, 26 seasons, Musial 5 times, 
Hornsby 3 times. 

My nomination for most obscure players to turn the trick; 
Woody English, 1930 Cubs, 214 hits and 100 walks 
Charlie Jamieson, 1923 Indians, 222 hits and 80 walks. 

>       David M. Tate      | From my dugout sleep I fell into the Game
>  dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | And I crouched in the circle while my insides froze
>  Randall 'Chico' Jarrell | One out from death, one hit from dreamt-of glory
> "Death of a Pinch Hitter"| I woke to 'Strike One!' and the nightmare sliders...

Gerry Myerson
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eldred still hot!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:14:08 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep14.215415.3858@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
>Yeah. Too bad Garner decided in April that the Brewers needed to have  
>'veteran' pitchers in the rotation and sent Eldred down for another year at  
>Denver.

Is that the official reason they started him in AAA this year? Seems to me
that Eldred has a history of slight arm trouble that has slowed his rise
to the majors, so I just assumed that the Brewers wanted to be sure he
was healthy before they promoted him.

I know the Cards loved Eldred but passed on him on draft day because of
a sore arm and rumors it would be a problem for him later.




Russ Smith
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