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From: etxmajz@solsta.ericsson.se (Majid Zolfaghari  TX/DKG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; Unreadable poems [sci-anon-poster] [sci-poster]
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:54:18 GMT
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Because of some technical disaster (I could not post it
directly), I must mail this article using "sci-poster@handel.sun.com".
I hope that it will not apear as an anonymous-sender article.

In-reply-to: sehari@iastate.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 14:24:02 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Unreadable poems [sci-anon-poster]
	<ETXMAJZ.93Jan22090559@solsta-c.solsta.ericsson.se>
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> This poem sucks! It does not rim, it is not intellectual. It can be 
> characterized with one word "Bullshit".
> 
>                    With highest regards,
>                         Babak   Sehari.

I think really that this (aarash) is one of (few) good works of Kasraai.
One may disagree with some of point of views in the poem but can you
please go to the details, take some examples and show why:

1- The poem is NOT INTELLECTUAL.
2- The poem is BULLSHIT.

It is unfair and (hardly INTELLECTUAL) to use the word BULLSHIT as
a criticism of a literal work. 

Majid Zolfaghari
etxmajz@solsta.ericsson.se
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: question on Farsi writing
Organization: Sci, Gerdsooz and programmers 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:29:54 GMT

cca218@ccsun.strath.ac.uk (J.S.Jafari-Sisi) writes:
: The only thing I know about this sofware is the name of it.
: Its name is GERDSOOZ and I tried to write with it but I couldnt
: If you see any article under MASH CHERAGHALI you could send
: E.MAIL and ask him.
: 
: 
: With Regards
: 
AQA Sirus, sa ma_le_kom:

This gerdsooz is a real nice work by a real nice and smart person (Mash cheragh
ALi). I use it most the times and I have been able to ported on UNIX system and
on IBM PC of my choice. It is a very friendly program and if you have difficulty
with it let Mash cheragh know about it and if Mash Cheragh Ali does not mind, I
will be very happy to help you. Please remember all the good credits goes to
the author of Gerdsooz. What I mean is do not give any one else a chelokabob or
ASH-reshte you should give it to Ali AghA. I have his real email address and I 
do not want to post it here because he may not want to. But If you post a 
"Help me gerdsooz" then he will see it.

Roseton Khosh.
Haji

PS.  Are you going to run it on VMS/OS?.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: misrepresentation of islam (reply to hossein)
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:56:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.105053.2246@fmg.bt.co.uk> ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:
>
>Zafar,
>
>I never attributed the term "omm-al-fassad" to Qor'an or even a
>hadith.  As I mentioned in my previous post, it is YOU who first
>equate every nasty thing with Islam/Qor'an (albeit attributing it to
>your opponents) and then try to refute it.  So stop this nonsense of
>refuting imaginary allegations etc.
>
>I also said that I am not going to enter into a debate on Islam in
>SCI.  What I am mainly concerned with - and is of concern to people on
>this net - is the *realities* of life in Iran.  And I would honestly
>advise you that you are wasting your time.  You may preach to the
>converted few on this net.  As the vast majority, they have experinced
>a form of "Islamic" rule on their own or friends lives in the form of
>opperssion, tortures, murders, rapes, massacres etc in the name of
>God/Islam/Qor'an/hadith.  Whatever else you say about Islam is
>academic, and not of interest to the people who have suffered these
>brutual realities.
>
>-hossein

you may not have said out-right that omm-al-fassad is in quran or hadith, but
when you say that such an attitude is a part of islam then you are implying
that it actually IS said somewhere in quran or hadith. and as far as me equating
everything bad to islam and then putting it on you, that is the most backward
logic i have ever heard. i was not the one who said that islam allows raped
women to be killed, i was not the one who said islam allows for wife beating
i was not the one who said that islam allows the husband to kill a wife who
is having an affair to be killed on hte spot, regardless of the circumstances.
you were the one who said these things and i simply reponded by showing you
what the quran and hadith really have to say about these things. yes they maybe
the realities of life in iran. but that doesn't justify the government or
anyone else to say, "well, islam.... etc. etc." as far as what i am saying to
be not interesting to others. well then fine. i am a boring person. i obviously
have not lived in a dictatorship so i do not know what life is like in a 
dictatorship, but what i am saying here about islam is not just academic, it is
academic for those people who were never concerned in the first place and don't
want to bother themselves to find out what islam really has to say and are 
satisfied with believing that their fallacies are true. i have nothing to say
to those people. but for people who are interested in islam, and for people who
say false things about islam. i am not going to shut up. the big mouth will 
talk.

zafar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: etxmajz@solsta-c.solsta.ericsson.se (Majid Zolfaghari  TX/DKG)
Subject: Re: *** Shahram Nazeri Concert, Colombus, Ohio
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB, Karlstad, Sweden.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:09:56 GMT


> >>>I have heard a rumor that this concert is being sponsored by
> >>>the elements of the regime. Is there any truth to this? I
> >>>have been also told that in LA this was exposed and the
> >>>concert was boycotted. Can anyone from LA either confirm or
> >>>deny this? 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>      And even if there was no such rumor, you are making it now! It
> >>      certainly won't kill anybody to lie!
> >>   
> >> Mohammad
> >> 
> >>    P.S- What happened to your signature? ( Asghar, or something!)
> >
> >       Thanks Mohammad.
> >
> >       Saharam Nazeri and Jalal Zolfenoun are certainly two of the
> >       best and most recognized of the circle of few traditional music artist,
> >       who have constantly helped to teach and expand on persian traditional
> >       music. Their virtue and mastry and their effort to revive the 
> >	[ the rest deleted ]
> 
> WHO CARES IF NAZERI'S CONCERT WAS ORGANIZED BY THE ISLAMIC REGIME OR NOT?
> AND SO WHAT IF IT WAS? ANYBODY WHO HAS OBJECTIONS IS FREE NOT TO ATTEND.

Shahram Nazeri was in Sweden about 3-4 years ago but some guys
(of some revolutionary?! kind) made such a violence in his concert
that he and his orchestra must leave the scene. There were hundreds
of iranians and a lot of swedish who wanted to listen to persian music
but unfortunately the action(!) of a few people made it impossible.

It was specially impossible to explain it to the swedish guests.
One could ask if this is your opposition, what makes it better than
the government they criticize.

As an iranian, I was ashamed that night, and very sad. I asked myself why
a little minority can always destroy others' possibility.

I hope that such a thing will not happen any more!

Majid Zolfaghari
etxmajz@solsta.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cca218@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("J.S.Jafari-Sisi")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: question on Farsi writing
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:00:37 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <18JAN93.11730440.0035@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> J10B@UNB.CA (J10B) writes:
>Salam doustan, I've seen some friends post some poems typing in Farsi.
>My question is that how do you do this? Just by typing relevant chara-
>cters that the result looks like Farsi or do you use some software?
>If you use a software is there any possibility of transferring a copy
>of it to me? Many thanks for your time,  Pessar Amoo

Pesar Amoo Khan

The only thing I know about this sofware is the name of it.
Its name is GERDSOOZ and I tried to write with it but I couldnt
If you see any article under MASH CHERAGHALI you could send
E.MAIL and ask him.


With Regards

Sirus.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Is there an interpreter in the house?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:43:50 GMT

In article vctr@engin.umich.edu (Michel Victor) writes:
|> I have a quick question of translation: How does one say "I love you" or
|> "I care deeply for you" in Farsi?
|> Ah, words of necessity!
|> Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
|>   v.

BUT OF COURSE!


--------------------------------
    Azzeezam? Azzeezam?

    fadAt sham!  fadAt sham!

    ghorboone  oonne  cheshAt sham.

    dooset dAram

    Asheghetam

    zanam meeshee?
--------------------------------


:-))))))))

believe me it works and SHE will say YES, on spot!

Unless you are a woman and you gona confuse the hell out
of him.

-- 

Farhad
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Poem(aarash3)(NPM) [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:15:55 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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To: sci-anon-poster 
Originator: daemon@handel

This the third part of ARASH KAMANGIR by SIAVASH KASRAAIEE.

NORTH-POE-MAN

____________________________________________

chashm-haa baa vahshati dar cheshm-khaaneh har taraf raa jostojoo mikard
vin khabar raa har dahaani zir-e goosh baaz-goo mikard
aakharin farmaan 
aakharin tahghir
marz raa parvaaz-e tiri midahad saamaan
gar be nazdiki forood aayad 
khaaneh-haa-maan tang 
aarezoo-maan koor 
var beparrad door 
taa kojaa?
taa chand?
aah koo baazoo-ye poolaadin va koo sar panjeh-ye imaan?
har dahaani in khabar raa baaz-goo mikard
cheshm-haa bee goftegoo-yee har taraf raa jostejoo mikard

pirmard andoohgin dasti be digar dast misaa-yeed
az miaan-e darreh-haa-ye door gorgi khasteh minaalid
barf roo-ye barf mibaarid
baad baalash raa be posht-e shisheh mi-maalid
sobh mi-aamad
pirmard aaraam kard aaghaaz

pish-e roo-ye lashgar-e doshman
sepaah-e doost 
dast na daryaa-yee az sarbaaz
aasemaan almaas akhtar-haa-ye khod raa daadeh bood az dast
bee-nafas mi-shod siaahi dar dahaan sobh
baad par mi-rikht 
roo-ye dasht-e baaz-e  daaman-e alborz
lashgar iraaniaan dar ezteraabi sakht dard aavar
do do va se se be pech pech gerd yekdigar
koodakaan bar baam 
dokhtaraan benshasteh bar rowzan 
maadaraan ghamgin kenaar-e dar 
kam kamak dar owj aamad pech pech khofteh 
khalgh chon bahri bar aashofteh
be joosh aamad
khorooshaan shod
be mowj oftaad
boresh begreft o mardi chon sadaf az sineh biroon daad
"manam aarash"
chonin aaghaaz kard aan mard baa doshman 
manam aarash 
sepaahi mard-e aazaadeh 
be tanhaa tir-e tarkesh 
aazmoon talkhetaan raa inak aamaadeh
majooyeedam nasab
farzand rnaj o kaar
gorizaan chon shahaab az shab
cho sobh aamaadeh-ye didaar
mobaarak baad aan jaameh ke andar razm pooshandash
gavaaraa baad aan baadeh ke andar fath nooshandash
shomaa raa baadeh o jaameh gavaaraa o mobaarak baad
delam raa dar dast migiram 
va mi-afshaaramash dar chang
del-e in jaam-e por az kin por az khonn raa
del-e in bee-taab khashm aahang
ke taa noosham be naam-e fathetaan dar bazm
ke taa koobam be jaam-e ghalbetaan dar razm
ke jaam-e kineh az sang ast 
be bazm-e maa o razm-e maa
saboo o sang raa jang ast
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From: mahin@reg.triumf.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Bavafa and his posts
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:54 PST
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In article <1993Jan21.101947.17596@netcom.com>, bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes...

.. Your posts have never bored me, Zamie jAn.  Keep up the good work. 

>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com

I wish I could say the same thing about some of YOUR posts, Bavafa.:-)

*dodging flying objects*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Re: Cruise missiles
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:16:17 EST


I wonder how many of you share my opinion that our information about what goes
on anywhere in the world is screwed up because of "disinformation."  I mean,
consider it, every government on the face of this earth is disinforming its
people to some extent.  

But what I find unconscionable about many of my fellow Americans is their
capacity to blindly believe whatever they hear on television or read in our
newspapers.  While I am doubtful that the US would deliberately target a hotel
during a bombing raid, there is also no reason to think that it wouldn't.  In
a war, there are both political and military objectives.  I cannot understand
how bombing a civilian target would provide much use to the US, except perhaps
that it might cause the citizenry of Iraq to be angry not at the US, but at
Saddam?  ...seems like a stretch to me, but I would imagine that all manner of
intrigue is possible in the current climate.

One thing definitely amazes me however, and that is to see that a bunch of
mullahs in Iran can protest on behalf of the Iraqi people after spending 8
years of their own people's lives on futile battle strategies and human wave
tactics--as though they really give to hoots about the lives of Iraqis.  They
surely killed enough of them themselves!

The issue is power and power alone.  I wait for the day when there is peace
and self-detemination for all these nations...

			INSHALLAH!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ramins@kjemi.unit.no (Ramin Shamsili)
Subject: Ignore this as well
Followup-To: Ignore this please
Reply-To: ramins@kjemi.unit.no
Organization: Dept.Inorganic Chemistry-NTH / Norway
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:57:47 GMT

 Why doesnt this work?
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:41:20 EST
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Re; Unreadable poems [sci-anon-poster] [sci-poster]
Distribution: world

In article <lm8dqqINNje5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, etxmajz@solsta.ericsson.se (Majid
Zolfaghari  TX/DKG) says:
>
>Because of some technical disaster (I could not post it
>directly), I must mail this article using "sci-poster@handel.sun.com".
>I hope that it will not apear as an anonymous-sender article.
>
>In-reply-to: sehari@iastate.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 14:24:02 GMT
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
>Subject: Re: Unreadable poems [sci-anon-poster]
>References: <llubbdINN5uo@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
>        <ETXMAJZ.93Jan22090559@solsta-c.solsta.ericsson.se>
>        <1993Jan22.102628.11360@ifi.uio.no>
>        <sehari.727712642@vincent2.iastate.edu>
>Distribution:
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>
>> This poem sucks! It does not rim, it is not intellectual. It can be
>> characterized with one word "Bullshit".
>>
>>                    With highest regards,
>>                         Babak   Sehari.
>
>I think really that this (aarash) is one of (few) good works of Kasraai.
>One may disagree with some of point of views in the poem but can you
>please go to the details, take some examples and show why:
>
>1- The poem is NOT INTELLECTUAL.
>2- The poem is BULLSHIT.
>
>It is unfair and (hardly INTELLECTUAL) to use the word BULLSHIT as
>a criticism of a literal work.
>
>Majid Zolfaghari
>etxmajz@solsta.ericsson.se
>

  You must be new around here. Let me first welcome you to the zoo.
  Second, as you may be already surmised, we have all kinds of creatures
  in residence. So, be careful as some of them bite.
  Third, You should never argue with some of us. We simply don't have what
  it takes to engage in a constructive conversation.
  And finally, this is a great place to visit but you don't want to live
  here.

RezA
From: rooholam@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Mohamad Rooholamini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian intrests section [sci-poster]
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:50:11 GMT
Organization: ABC
Distribution: world
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In article <lm8dpvINNje1@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> kirmani@math.uni.edu ( Syed Kirmani ) writes:
>Would someone please post the phone number and the full address of
>the Iranian interests section , Washington,D.C.? Thanks.
> 

The number is (202)965-4990.  I don't have the address though.  
It's very difficult to get through.  You get busy signal all the time.

Vahid
From: forghani@condor.ccrit.doc.ca (B. Forghani (Idacom/HP))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Turkish Journalist Assasinated [sci-poster]
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:05:33 GMT
Organization: SCI Friends & Family, Inc.
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Originator: daemon@handel


>Ramin Shamsili writes:
>
>>Question : Is there any where in Islamic instruction and rules which makes it
>>HalAl or MobAh to take the life of a journalist with different way of thinking

Zafar replies

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! What the hell kind of a question is this? Does
>Islam allow you to kill someone just because you disagree with him/her?

You are wrong Zafar:


From electronically scanned versions of M.H.  Shakir's translation of the
Qur'an:


004(Woman).89. They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, 
so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from
among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way;
but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you
find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

I take the previous verse very personally because I am a disbeliver and
I like other people to disbelieve in all the Abrahamic/Semitic/Organized
(whatever you call them) religions because in my opinion they made more damage
to the planet earth and humanity than any other element.  Note that I respect
respectable muslims personally as people and my own father is a beleiver and I
just don't beleive in what they beleive in. However, because of my intelectual
disagreemet I should be killed if I fly my home and get in Allah's way(IRI).


Here is how a muslim should treat a poor idolater:

009(Repentance).5. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and
besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if
they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their
way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Here, clearly, anyone which includes a journalist that is and idolater must
be ambushed and killed if he doesn't repent and pay blackmail. I am sure
that in your world nobody should give a damn about an idolater and he/she is
not entitled to his/her own opinions. Also, you do not consider the case of
an idolater a very simple disagreement with yourself. How merciful your Allah
is!

Behdad


 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: An English Poem with Persian Alfa bet
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:25:21 GMT

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=begin=
na dat Ay tyng av at, at ayz kyna fan tv rayt aynglyS vyt parsy alfa bet.
hyr ayz an angliyS pvem vyt parsy alfa bet:
fvr lydy yv dyzrv dys styt
nvr Ay vd lAyk at lver ryt
bat at mAy bk Ay Alvyz hyr
taymz vynjd Geryt haryng nyr

=end=

Tune in next time for more popular English poems with Persian Alfa bet

                        With highest regards,
                             Babak   Sehari.
--