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Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Women are inferior
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:25:41 GMT
 <1992Sep4.101938.1@mdcbbs.com> <1992Sep5.101645.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: sandy

In article <1992Sep5.101645.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>, lams@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.101938.1@mdcbbs.com>, rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>>   No, this was posted by a woman, who assumed we'ld THINK she was a woman and
>> then decide it HAD to b a man because she, er, he, I mean, ummmm, oh GEE
>> lookatthetimeIgottaLOTofworktocatchuponbye!
>> 
> ]
>     No, No, No! This was posted by the master mind of both woman and man
>     they figure that your assumption would be men posted to make women
>     look bad or women posted to make men look bad, but not both, to make
>     man and woman look bad.  Just by the fact that both man and women 
>     would be playing this game of pointing fingers.  So, both man and
>     woman look very silly.  Thus, it must be both a man and a woman behind
>     this, else why the anonymity?   
> 
>     But, then again maybe someone just wanted to get everyone to play 
>     this game.  :)
> 
>     -Steve  No, an alien posted! Hee! Hee!
-- 


	ELVIS POSTED IT!  :)




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From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Re: Remote (Taxpayer) Wallets vs. the Ovarian Nurturer
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:30:23 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

In soc.women, susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman) writes:
  > My partner's lawyer told us that if we married (in CA, a community
  > property state ) that our family income would be counted in determining
  > child support. 

The spouse income is only counted if it is greater than that of the natural
parent.  This way, a waitress who marries an oil-baron millionaire will no
longer need support from her cook ex-husband, for example.
I would check with your lawyer again -- my guess is that your ex could get
the support changed even without marriage if you are living with someone
"rich".  I wonder if pre-nups (i.e. "I will not support her children")
would help any?
From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:28:41 GMT
Subject: Re: EuStress Has Trouble With Words
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: soc.women

In soc.women, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
 >Mr. EuStress's 
 >talks about his 'children' (?) living in a 
 >$70,000 house.  (BTW, in most places, *MOST* houses cost $70,000, unless it
 >is in a really bad neighborhood.  At least it's that way, here in the mid-west
 >where housing is quite affordable.)
In the San Fransico bay area, a $70,000 home is a real dump!  I put an offer
on a 750 square foot house in a mediocre school district with a one car
garage, a porch that was falling down, dirt sidewalk, no disposer or dish-
washer, and dead landscaping  at $125,000  and got turned down in 1985 !
I have since moved an hour north of SF to where "cheap" housing is available.
My home has particle board cabinets, plastic tubs, etc. and is on the useual
tract (postage stamp size) lot but is 1600 sq' and worth $185,000 .
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Children
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:34:52 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Sep10.184328.12931@ccu.umanitoba.ca> masmith@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Margaret Smith) writes:
>
>Hi
>
>I am pregnant with my first child and would appreciate any information of any kind that you may have to offer.
>
>Thank you.
>

HAANNG OOOOOON!! You're in for a wild (and FUN) ride.
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From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: How to relieve menstural cramp
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:21:54 GMT
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Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd -- Now Appearing Nightly With DON HO


zukor@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Karen Zukor) writes:

Karen> Ibruprofen in large quantities (800 mg) is my answer.
                                       ^^^^^^
I have heard that concentrated doses of ibuprofen over extended periods
of time can potentially lead to health problems; I can't remember for
sure, but it might have been liver damage that was in question.  I
suggest anyone wanting to use ibuprofen in large dosages consult a
pharmacist or doctor first ...


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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Statistical "proofs" (Was Re: women in engineering ( help..))
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:08:55 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <73740023@hpsad.sad.hp.com>, sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen) writes:
> In soc.women, cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes:
#    #Gordon Fitch writes that he believes before programing became software
#    #engineering and engineering degrees became derigour(sp?) that a larger
#    #percentage of programmers were women.  I don't have the longevity in
#    #the industry that Gordon has, but I wouldn't be suprised if that were true
# 
# I started programming in 1963 and have never noticed the wealth of
# women that this thread has claimed.    -----

I started programming in 1974, and have noticed a dramatic increase
in the number of women in the field, especially since the 1980s
started.  It seems that women in software engineering has lagged
behind women in data processing, but there was a time when the
single engineers started to salivate at the prospect of female
engineers coming to interview.  (After all, what else can a male
engineer date, but a female engineer?)  These days, it's not even
surprising anymore when a female engineer comes to interview.

#    #After having been a "software engineer" (with an EE degree
#    #yet) for 10 years, I've come to believe that a good software author
#    #does not need a degree, or any calculus, or physics, or much science.
#    #What a really good "software engineer" need is common sense, or rather,
#    #the ability to reason things through.  ...
#         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# 
# While I agree that someone who has never take physics or calculus could be
# an excellent programmer, when hiring, I would take someone with a degree.
# Why? First, anyone who has completed a college degree has proved he/she is
# willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done (i.e. take econ 101 and
# pass it to get papers eventhough there is absolutely no interest in the
# subject and the &*%#$% computer assigned it at 7am on Monday morning).

Or was from a sufficiently well-off home to be able to finish college,
or had the good fortune to find part-time employment to get through
school.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.sex.wizards
From: gthomas@unixg.ubc.ca (Guy R Thomas)
Subject: Re: How to relieve menstural cramp
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:52:45 GMT

Marie Coffin responds to
A sufferer who writes:
> 
> >There seem to be many techniques, valid or not, used to relieve this monthly
> >ritual of pain.  I suffer from a paralizing one almost every month.
>
> >Please share with me (e-mail please, I do not feel like discussin this in
> >public) what you know, and what you heard of.  I am sick of taking pain
> >killers.
> 
> >Thank you.

with

>Here are some things I've heard about or tried:

>1. Calcium.  According to a recent study, a striking number of women with 
>	bad cramps also have diets deficient in calcium.  Good sources of 
>	calcium are lowfat milk and lowfat yogurt.  Cheese and ice cream also
>	have calcium, but lots of fat.  Cottage cheese has very little calcium.

>2. Vitamin E.  I read about this somewhere a long time ago.  I take 400 IU's
>       of Vitamin E daily (this is way above the RDA).  I think it helps.

>3.  Moderate exercise.  This is what I've always heard, but I'm too lazy to 
>       try it myself.

>4.  Multi-vitamins.  Of course you can get all the nutrients you need from a 
>	properly balanced diet, but who has a properly balanced diet?   You
>	might be surprised at how much better you feel after you've been taking
>	vitamins for a while.  Vitamins also minimize the mood swings that some
>	women get along with their period.  

>5.  The Pill.  Many women swear by this.

All of which have been tried by my SO.  The pill is the only thing that
compares with the effectivness of the herb Anjelica.  It is available
in Chinnese pharmacies or from homeopathic doctors.  In Vancouver
$2.50 gets about two months of relief.  For everyone.

Just a satisfied customer in absentia.
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Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: 3 year old burn victim goes home
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:40:24 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: lorena

In article <1992Sep10.054627.25349@leland.Stanford.EDU>, farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.141250.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
> 
>>|   Cal me silly, call me barbaric, call me irresponsible, but it occurs |
>>|  to me that torching a small child justifies the death penelty in the  |
>>|  slowest and most painful manner allowed by law.                       |
> 
> I don't know about the death penalty but I agree that someone who
> would do this to anyone, particularly a child, deserves to be locked
> up for a very long time.
> 
> The man who did the same thing to his son served something like 6
> years and is now out of prison.  I think the law (in California) has
> changed since then and the penalty for something like this is much
> harsher (as it should be, imo).  Six years and his son will serve a
> lifetime of pain and disfigurement.
> 

  We're still waiting to find out what happens to the woman who burned up her
husband for eating her chocolate Easter Bunny. She's tried to use the "Burning
Bed" defense, but since the guy was already confined to a wheelchair, few
are buying it!


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Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.sex.wizards
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: Re: How to relieve menstural cramp
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.132223.22957@cs.uow.edu.au>, jim@cs.uow.edu.au (Jimmy
Naumovski) writes:
> A sufferer writes:
> 
> >There seem to be many techniques, valid or not, used to relieve this monthly
> >ritual of pain.  I suffer from a paralizing one almost every month.
> 
> >Please share with me (e-mail please, I do not feel like discussin this in
> >public) what you know, and what you heard of.  I am sick of taking pain
> >killers.
> 
> >Thank you.
> 
> I think your wrong there i know heps of ppl that would love to know of a
> method of stopping the pain. Therefore I think public postings would be more
> helpful.
> 
> Jim


Here are some things I've heard about or tried:

1.  Calcium.  According to a recent study, a striking number of women with 
	bad cramps also have diets deficient in calcium.  Good sources of 
	calcium are lowfat milk and lowfat yogurt.  Cheese and ice cream also
	have calcium, but lots of fat.  Cottage cheese has very little calcium.

2.  Vitamin E.  I read about this somewhere a long time ago.  I take 400 IU's
of
	Vitamin E daily (this is way above the RDA).  I think it helps.

3.  Moderate exercise.  This is what I've always heard, but I'm too lazy to try
	it myself.

4.  Multi-vitamins.  Of course you can get all the nutrients you need from a 
	properly balanced diet, but who has a properly balanced diet?   You
	might be surprised at how much better you feel after you've been taking
	vitamins for a while.  Vitamins also minimize the mood swings that some
	women get along with their period.  

5.  The Pill.  Many women swear by this.

By the way, I do not work for a drug company, nor do I sell vitamins 
door-to-door.  My own stragegy is to drink milk and take Vitamin E 
every day. Usually this works.  When it doesn't, I take ibuprophen.  
Consumer Reports says that ibuprophen works better than aspirin or 
Tylenol for *most* women.  I have also found that it is better to 
take a pain-killer *right away*, and not wait for the pain to really 
get a grip on you.  If you want to be nice to your kidneys (they have 
to process all this stuff), drink a big glass of water along with your
aspirin/ibuprophen/pill o' choice.  

Hope this helps somebody,

Marie Coffin 
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: mikel@col.hp.com (Mike Lopke)
Subject: Re: Missed Opportunity....
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:57:39 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> 
> ] kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes...
> ] JK>  will nor force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.  A man can
> ] JK>  not be deprived of his children until they are born.            ^^^^^^^^^
> ]      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ] 
> ] I really wish that this were true, Janice.  And don't try to tell this to
> ] a couple who has had a miscarriage, because they too, like me, feel every
> ] bit like they lost a *child*, not "a lump of cells".
> 
> 
> I know what you mean.
> 
> when I was growing up my father dragged us around the world
> to all sorts of places, and to things like politically unstable
> countries where they changed governments by force of arms...
> 
> God I really wish that I could have had a childhood just like
> the one's on Nick_at_Nite where 'Father Knows Best" and we
> could "leave it to beaver" and there were no missed opportunities.
> 
> ciao
> drieux
> 
> ps: small clue - things that are not yet are not yet.
> their potential to become something is there, but they
> are not yet that which they might become. Thus the loss
> of that which is not yet is NOT the loss of the 'thing_in_itself'
> but the loss of the 'thing_in_its_potential_to_become.'
> 
> eg: you could have been born a man, to become distraught
> that you did not become a man does not mean that you 
> should bewail your lack of masculinity.
> 
> 


small clue - Derisive sarcasm of anothers's pain and loss is not appropriate.

eg: Stop crying you stupid lady.  It was born dead.  You think its a what?
Baaaaaaa Haaaaaa  Haaaaa ho ho hee hee  
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Subject: Re: Women in engineering ( help ..)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:48:16 GMT

FM010201@ysub.ysu.edu writes:

>I am a graduate student in engineering, a minority, doing a thesis on " Women,
>engineering and creativity". i am interested in knowing about the opinion of ot
>her's about why there is not much interest in women about becoming engineer. I
>am pursuing two traditional line of search:
>1. nature: women have different cognitive abilities than men and do not have mu
>           ch interest in men's pursuit of dominating nature. As most of the en
>           gineering is. More right brain with thicker connection between left
>           and right brain. (corpus colossum)
> 
>2.Nurture: women are discouraged , verbally or non verbally to pursue abstract
>           topics such as math, science and engineering. Feminist perspective.
>

You're doing this thesis work in an *engineering* department??? 

							--  Michal
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Subject: Re: education
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:11:02 GMT

sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen) writes:

>Ahh, to each his/her own!  My opinions are certainly not swayed by the fact
>that I was "blessed" with a waist/hip ratio that is decidedly female :) ;)
>It sure would be a boring world if we all had the same opinions.

Or the same measurements.  :-)

							--  Michal
From: bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Missed Opportunity....
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:33:08 GMT
Organization: Society for the Preservation of E. coli

In article <6423@armltd.uucp> hwatters@armltd.uucp (Helen Watters) writes:
>>If, however, the person keeps harping on the fact that he had a miscarriage, 
>                                                        ^^

>Ah! You were being grammatically correct. Grammar rule 21 of the English 
>langauage says that man/his/he includes both genders, so I guess a man 
>can get pregnant :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Well, no.  Grammar rule 21 of the English language says that
man/his/he *can* include both genders, but does not automatically do
so.  Context will tell.

Thus, "a" man cannot get pregnant, but "man" (as in "mankind") can.

When I originally wrote my post, I had considered using "she," but
realised, as I pointed out in another post, that men are just as much
a part of the "we're having a baby" effect as the women who are
actually pregnant.

-- 
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Subject: Re: Women are inferior
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:38:56 GMT

cook@dollar.crd.ge.com (Cathi Cook) writes:
>  
>Thank you for this reminder that all over the country, children are
>returning to college and introducing a whole new crop of freshmen
>into the GPA-killing world of usenet.

Hey, wait a minute!!!  
There are lots of adults returning to college, too!
Mustn't engage in age-ism.	;-)	;-)	;-)

						--  Michal
From: cook@dollar.crd.ge.com (Cathi Cook)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Women are inferior
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:39:25 GMT
Reply-To: cook@dollar.crd.ge.com (Cathi Cook)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Sep2.041229.14127@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
karypis@epx.cis.umn.edu writes:
|>It is true...  Women were not created equal.  They are clearly inferior
|>to men....
  
Thank you for this reminder that all over the country, children are
returning to college and introducing a whole new crop of freshmen
into the GPA-killing world of usenet.

                     -rocker
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Small GeoPolitical Clue....
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:11:31 GMT

mikel@col.hp.com (Mike Lopke) writes:
] bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) writes:
] > 
] > Big clue:  drieux wasn't using derisive sarcasm.
] > 
] I followed the analogy.  It supported your argument, although I disagree.
] My objection to original post refered to the first part.  Thank you for
] pointing out to me that this was not intended as sarcasm.  My mistake.
] I didn't realize drieux seriously wished to have a Nick_at_Nite style
] childhood.  I took it to be a sarcastic comment.

Allow a sea story to fill in the details.

Once upon a time a young lady made a marginal faux paux,
that as a civilian brat would be, and was, excused based upon
a lack of cultural sensitivity.

{ I still had to explain to some of the women in the armed 
forces that the reason that I did NOT deck this young lady
had to do with my sensitivity to their cultural weaknesses
and their lack of understanding.... albeit in our culture
the correct response would have been to deck Said Person... }

As it turned out, the juxtaposition of events, this re_awakening
of certain cultural anomalies, coupled with the fact that we
got back to our digs, just in time for the local newspaper persons
to go throwing papers out of their truck lead to a minor 
mis_interpretation of the data.

I saw a vehicle come out of nowhere, speed into our cul_de_sac,
and someone throw something. And Mentally I am considering how 
much metal is between me and the object....

My housemate, sensitive guy that he is, says:

"it's not my heart attack."

I get out of the car and say, 

"it was only a newspaper...."

To be honest, I really would rather worry about whether
or Not to use Oxy5, or Oxy15 to clear up my pimples before
the big dance......

ciao
drieux

ps: some days, life is just what it is, 
and some days, it helps to be able to
read it as what it is... and not as what
it might potentially be.....



-- 
Modern Day Problems

I just restructured my mail queue hierarchy and 
I can't do a thing with it.....
From: slack@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (David Slack)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Re: Homosexual==pro-molestation? (was Re: Exercise wear)
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:25:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

All the crap about child molestation makes me sick,  I have only one thing
to say about it.

	ANY ADULT, MALE OR FEMALE, THAT MOLESTS MY KIDS IS IN HELL!
	THE LAW IS THE LAST ONES THEIR GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
  
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men