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From: dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Old XT + Waffle + Fossil + V.32bis = ?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 02:25:34 PST
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

hp@floor.uucp.risc.net (High Priest) writes:

> Well, I would be happy with 1000 cps. I'm currently getting 400-500 cps 
> on a v.32bis connect from my feed. (UNIX machine)

  1000 cps would be excellent for a v.32 feed, but not very good with a
v.32bis feed.

> The admin at my feed says there's nothing he can do, the 'g' protocol is 
> simply too inefficient. Is there anything that I can do?

  I get 1300+ cps with my v.32bis newsfeed and 970+ cps with my v.32
newsfeed.  This is on files of 50k or larger of 16-bit compressed news.
Your throughputs will be affected by several things including but not
limited to: the load on your host, the load on your system, the like
quality of your connection, serial drivers in use on both ends, locked com
port speed on both ends (some *NIX machines simply can't lock at higher
than 9600 Bps), capability of your CPU to sustain high throughput, your
fossil driver (I use X00 v1.49a in my DOS session here) and a host of
other things.

  I even get 1200+ cps on my L/D mail feed using v.32bis on larger files,
and I am running Waffle in an OS/2 DOS session using Ray Guinn's latest
SIO drivers (v0.40 just arrived here this morning).

> 450 cps on a 14,400 connect is pathetic.

  Agreed!

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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUDECODE security holes
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:21:17 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.99

jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:

>      Is there a BBS-safe version of uudecode?  Do Unix uudecodes
> do this?

Unix iteself checks for file permissions... but under Unix, doesn't
everything under waffle run under the same userid?

it'd be easy enough to write a sed script that would strip any of
/\: from a filename and add /user/%A/ onto the front of it, but
even then you'd have to be careful they didn't write to clock$, say,
and crash your system.

I posted code (in pascal) in alt.sources a few weeks ago to check
for device names (con, lpt1.os2, emm$whatever - whatever you've got installed)
by going through the device chain - that way, you can do the check without
even opening the filename.  so, you could do this:

uuscheck filename
if errorlevel 1 goto illegal
uudecode ...
goto done
:illegal
echo ...
:done

where uuscheck would do the `security' check of the file - if it was
pointing to a device driver, it'd return with errorlevel 1, otherwise
it'd fix up the filename on the `begin ' line to be in the user's home
directory.

> --Jon (thanks to Russ Schulz for pointing this hole out)

who just realized last night a security hole in rusnews - where it reads
in the `forward' file from the user/foo directory, if you send mail to
something like `../../waffle/system' and you had a waffle/system file,
it'd read in the first line - not a _big_ security hole, (nothing like
the one in v0.9 fixed long, long ago) but one nonetheless.
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From: pat@patsbbs.alt.za
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO for Windows and OS/2
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:12:46 +0200
Organization: Pats System in Pretoria, RSA +27-12-73-2573

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

> Hello:
> 
> Maybe asking Tom for a Windows and/or OS/2 version of Waffle *is*
> asking a bit much, but for goodness sakes, can't he just compile
> UUCICO under both environments and throw 'em on halcyon?  It would

> OS/2.  I haven't found anything comparable yet, I mean, Waffle *is*
> a great product, and it seems rather harsh to throw away [the baby
> with the bathwater] just because a Waffle-UUCICO for OS/2 is all I need.

I have seen a number of comments about "wanting UUCICO" in this
group over the last few weeks.  It occurs to me that I have a
file which is part of the UFGATE collection of software called
UUSLAVE.LZH.  This file contains the 'C' and assembler source
for the UFGATE implementation of UUCICO - it shouldn't be too
difficult for some of the 'C' boffins to modify this code for Waffle
in a Windows/OS2 environment!  Although the UFGATE package is a
few years old I'm sure that it shouldn't be too difficult to find.

Regards
Pat


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From: dawson@willard.atl.ga.us (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Customer service (was Re: scheduled events that take phone off-hook?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 09:15:38 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) writes:
> 
> >If your bbs doesn't answer the phone, sooner or later, someone will
> >ring your voice line and tell you it's broken.
> 
> Jeez!  They do this even when the lines ARE in service.  "Hey, I know
> it's late, but can you tell me why I'm only getting 1000cps on a
> zmodem download?"  "I hit ctrl-z to get out of nn and now I have
> a "suspended job" and can't log out." :-/

Well.  In the big world, there is such a thing as 24-hour service,
professional customer service representation, systemized trouble
resolution.  In short, quality.  Anything less than 100% commitment to
customer satisfaction leads some customers in search of another answer.

But, I don't charge for access to my little hobby Waffle system, so that's
not a moral dilemma for me.  Nothing's ever been promised, and most users
damn well don't know my home phone number!

However, that's not everyone's cup of tea.  On the topic of "trouble
resolution," I'm not really aware of any free/shareware software for
"trouble-ticket management."  Does anyone here know of such?  Or is that
strictly in the domain of Mega-$$$ companies?

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From: ka6etb@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (KA6ETB Steve Harding)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: ncsu dup checker/HellDiver problems
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:04:43 -0800
Reply-To: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US
Organization: The GRAFex Company

Found a problem when running ncsu and using helldiver.

Ncsu apparently does some strange thing to the news directories.  After
saving off my join file (when I have finished reading news), and then
reopening helldiver, all read articles reappear.

Secondly, helldiver reports that I have 4294967295 articles in
the directory.

Also, empty newsgroups pop up.  For example, I expire junk articles
hourly.  I get: junk 0/4294967295.

Now, the question is:  Is this a problem with ncsu or HellDiver?  I
suspect the former.

Anybody have an address on the author of ncsu11?

steve

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: gbrand@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Graham Brand)
Subject: Elementary waffle question...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:20:38 GMT

I have a simple question about Waffle - primarily whether it is what
I want! 

I have used UUPC to set up a mail and news feed on my home PC. I would
now like to set up my PC so that others can dial in to it, use
their own (unique) login names and send/receive e-mail as well as
access news. Can Waffle be used for this purpose? If so, is there any
other software that I need - for example, with UUPC, I needed Snews to
actually read and send news. Do I need both UUPC and Snews (in my case)
and run Waffle over them or does Waffle include these functions?

Any help would be appreciated as well as other suggestions where 
appropriate. I do not anticipate a large number of subscribers as I
only intend to have a small group of my good friends access my PC.

Thanks in advance,
-Graham Brand
From: revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US (Bob Van Cleef)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: scheduled events that take phone off-hook?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 08:29:10 -0800
Organization: The Land of Garg

In <P0mTXB1w165w@patsbbs.alt.za> pat@patsbbs.alt.za writes:
>Just in passing - I use a little program called "watchcat" which
>co-exists happily with my fossil (X00).  Watchcat monitors both
>CD and the RING signals from the modem, and if the phone rings
>more than 20 times without the modem answering will assume that
>the BBS is stuck, and will reboot!  This has saved me hassles on
>a number of occasions :-)

Do you (or anyone monitoring this conversation) know of a reboot
program that will work with Win 3.1? I've got a couple of DOS
programs that I can run as a scheduled event under DOS, but Win3.1
intercepts them and refuses to allow them to function.

What could work is a small TSR that ran before Windows was started
and behaved as you described "watchcat".

Second question: Is Watchcat available for redistribution?

Bob

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: command 'me' in waffle 1.64
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:46:00 GMT
Organization: The CServer at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway

xyzzy@jaflrn.UUCP (daniel drucker) writes:

> When I type 'me' in waffle 1.64, I get:
> Coreleft: 240744
> Display mode: 3
> Columns: 80
> Active page: 0
> Video Adapter: [insert linenoise type garbage here]
> 
> Any ideas ?

 MEmory available. (Free Memory)
 


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From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: "BIFF" type external program for Waffle under DOS?
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:20:26 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hello:

I would like to add something to Waffle that would inform a user when
new mail has arrived.  I've got people who log in and use the system,
and if new mail arrives for them on the other node, they don't realize
it unless they specifically check for it (guess how many of them do).

It would be nice if after every command (FILES, RN, etc., heck, even
MAIL itself) that a small program would be executed that would cheque
the password file to see if the user has new mail, and then display
on the terminal: "Attention:  You have unread mail waiting in your
mailbox.  Type MAIL to attend to it." or something to that effect.  I
believe this could be hooked into Waffle by using the "/THEN" command
in all external programs.  I don't know if this is the best solution,
BTW.

I am running Waffle version 1.65 under MS-DOS, BTW.

Thanks in advance.

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From: rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: ListServ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:20:09 PST
Organization: Vandenberg Systems Research, Vancouver BC

msingleton@Parthenon.Tacoma.WA.US (Mike Singleton) writes:

> 
>  I would like to auto-reply to certain words in the text body 
> auto-magically. Do any of the Waffle wizards know of a way to do this, or 
> at the very least, auto-reply to a given user with a text file?

I believe there are a couple of programs out there that do this, but the
one I'm most familiar with is V-MailServer.  (I developed it.)  Besides
handling mailing lists and file requests, it has a feature called AFS -
Automatic File Sending.  You setup an alias entry such as:

vmail-info-request | h:\vmail.exe -t vmail-info-request

This calls the V-MailServer program to handle the request.  One of the
configuration files used by V-MailServer has a list of addresses, and
text files to send. Eg -

vmail-info-request c:\waffle\info\vmail
bad-server-address c:\waffle\info\badserv
etc...

When a message is processed by V-MailServer, it scans this file, looking
a matching address.  If one is found, it simply sends the file to
original sender.

It might be overkill for you situation, but I'll let you decide that.
V-MailServer 1.22 is available from my system, along with documentation
for version 2.0.  Version 2.0 is in beta right now, and is tentatively
scheduled for release February 15th.

Send a message to: mail-server@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca
Include the following lines in the text body:

get vms122b.zip
get vms20doc.zip

Rick

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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:58:15 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

abolins@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:

| Waffle isn't *that* difficult.  I had more difficulty setting up
| FrontDoor for automated calls, than setting up the Waffle file system
| for UUCICO calls.

Same here!

| As a Sysop, I too prefer a FrontDoor/Usenet configuration than having
| Waffle.

Huh?  I have ALL of this.... I use FrontDoor as my Fidonet mailer
front-end to Waffle.

| As a caller, I too prefer a (DOS) BBS that has Fidonet echoes, Nanet,
| and Usenet newsgroups, *and* .QWK capability; that way I can enjoy
| reading all those areas with my favourite .QWK reader.

Any caller to my BBS can get those Fidonet echos you refer to... as for
QWK, I've looked at it and the protocol is the worst kind of blasphemy
that has been foisted upon Fidonet in a LONG time.  All you have to
do is run Deluxe2 to see that - not to mention that that offline-reader
is the ONLY one with a character in its name not legal on "The Net"
(Fido or Usenet)...

| I doubt that Waffle-people will understand the advantages of .QWK from a
| callers point of view.

You do seem to have it in for Waffle-people, don't you?

QWK is, in my opinion, a way for a lazy bum to get pseudo-net access
without having to succumb to the usual pain of intelligent thinking
required for a Usenet uucp connection and/or Fidonet point/node setup.
(minimal, but ever-present smiley :-)

I think net access is the right way to go - QWK should die a quick
death.  Only hope in offline readers is for a REAL offline interface
to show up.


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From: dawson@willard.atl.ga.us (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: command 'me' in waffle 1.64
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 07:25:57 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

system@cyberden.sf.ca.us writes:

> daniel drucker <xyzzy@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
> 
> > When I type 'me' in waffle 1.64, I get:
> > Coreleft: 240744
> > Display mode: 3
> > Columns: 80
> > Active page: 0
> > Video Adapter: [insert linenoise type garbage here] 
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Any ideas ?
> >
> 
> That's a command short for MEMORY.
> 
> It usually just prints out stuff about the system, and then usually hangs
> it to all hell. Heh...

Well, that's three.......  How many more are gonna harp on "what is MEM"
and ignore Mr. Drucker's real question?

I'd love to.. only I don't have any ideas why he's seeing garbage on the
video adapter line...


> 
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>    | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ system@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]


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From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: 24 Jan 1993 01:23:13 GMT
Organization: Coastal Imaging Lab, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: skyking.oce.orst.edu

In article <Q4WYrAlOBh107h@carlos> carlos@infoserv.com writes:
>.. They have informed me that they do not support Waffle any longer.

It sounds like they never really supported Waffle. 

>They now have a TMAIL package available, which they plan to update
>regularly. This is due to the problems reported with their
>"modified" WAFFLE package.

I am not surprised. A UUCP package that won't let you set the node name
correctly is hardly a UUCP package.
From: jbla@giraffe.in-berlin.de (Johannes Blankenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: NW screwing up?!!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:31:08 MET
Distribution: world               
Organization: Private MS-DOS Site
X-Newsreader: NWREADER [version 3.01]

zen@hophead (Nick Zentena) writes:
>
>         Hi,
>                 I've beening using nwreader2.5(I think thats
>                 the version) for awhile now. Lately [i.e.
>                 the over the last week] it's been having
>                 major problems dealing with new news. It
>                 stops at one newsgroup and won't advance
>                 automaticlly. Also quite often it won't even
>                 start reading claiming no new news! Even
>                 though I know there is news.

Hi,

the last version was 2.80! Now the new version is 3.01!

>                 I don't think I've changed anything. Any
>                 suggestions?

Get the new versions of NWREADER from 'mail-server@giraffe.in-berlin.de'.

/GET modem/waffle/nn301.zoo
/GET modem/waffle/nn386301.zoo

        Hannes

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From: system@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: command 'me' in waffle 1.64
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:24:52 PST
Reply-To: system@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

dawson@willard.atl.ga.us (Willard Dawson) writes:

> system@cyberden.sf.ca.us writes:
>
> > daniel drucker <xyzzy@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
> >
> > > When I type 'me' in waffle 1.64, I get:
> > > Coreleft: 240744
> > > Display mode: 3
> > > Columns: 80
> > > Active page: 0
> > > Video Adapter: [insert linenoise type garbage here]
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > Any ideas ?
> > >
> >
> > That's a command short for MEMORY.
> >
> > It usually just prints out stuff about the system, and then usually hangs
> > it to all hell. Heh...
>
> Well, that's three.......  How many more are gonna harp on "what is MEM"
> and ignore Mr. Drucker's real question?

Well, that's one! How many more are going to only read the box tops and not
the ingredients?

[RECAP]

> > It usually just prints out stuff about the system, and then usually hangs
> > it to all hell. Heh...

(If you can't figure it out what it's trying to tell you after the
 Video Adapter: prompt, then we can't help you). Sorry I wasn't technical
 enough for you. "Stuff about the system". The Stuff is what's before the :'s

> --
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> emory!uumind!willard!dawson
> Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

Errr... yea.


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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: offline readers
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 12:15:20 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

tpotter@tedshom.nbn.com (Ted Potter) writes:

| A local BBS I know of recently decided to offer usenet/email
| access to the users.

| They then pass these to a program called MarkMail which turns
| the messages into a qwk format. The user's then use a offline
| mail reader to download the messages.

This is apparently a Fidonet bbs carrying Usenet newsgroups;
that is why they can create QWK packets without pain :-)

| I would think if desired they could pass the messages to
| waffle as well (the messages not the qwk formatted stuff)

Sure - get a Usenet feed from them.  They've got one feeding
them; can't they feed you?


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From: cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org (Nelson Baird)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Why we use Waffle
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:20:24 -0600
Organization: ISIS, Inc, Ferris TX

In <TTXmXB3w165w@1776.COM> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:

>This brings up an interesting point: What percentage of the Waffle community
>actually runs a BBS or cares about Waffle's ability to support one?  For my
>part, I use Waffle so that my wife and I can send and receive email and read
>news.  To me, the BBS support built into Waffle is more of a nuisance than a
>benefit.  Am I the oddball, or is there a sizable contingent of non-BBS Waf-
>flers?  At one time I thought that People Like Me were the intended user com-
>munity for Chrome.  Is the fact that Chrome doesn't exist a reflection of the 
>fact that not many of us (i.e., People Like Me) exist either?

I use Waffle as a private BBS for the following: 
           1) Global Email & News groups
           2) Company private Email  (5 sites MS DOS & UNIX S5r4 on 68000 total 
                                       of 7 Internet  addresses)
           3) Auto-Magic exchange of updates between the 5 development sites 
           4) BBS for explicit file transfer from/to random sites. 
 
I was running one of the other "full function" BBS systems. Waffle serves my
 needs well.
           

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