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From: tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin)
Subject: Re: Who Framed Roger Rabbit questions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:05:45 GMT

I have compared the TV broadcast version and the CAV letterbox version ,
and here is what I found: It's a combination of open-matte and
pan&scan on the broadcast version.  The special effects part was 
pan&scaned but normal sequences are open-matte.

If the CLV full screen version is the same as the TV broadcast version,
then you got the answer.  Oh, BTW, the broadcast version has some 
footages added which was not shown in theater.  I think it's nice,
but others think it gave away too many information early on.

Tzung-I
From: smah@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve Mah)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: P. of Tides LD screw up
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:43:03 GMT


I haven't seen this mentioned yet, so here it is: the 8/14 LA
Times Calender section had a brief article on the Price of Tides LD
glitch.  Apparently, 2 scenes were "inadvertently" dropped (about 52
seconds worth); corrected copies should be in stores 8/24.  It is of
interest that this was only noted on the Columbia Tristar LD, and
not the VHS release.  The article mentioned that the Criterion
edition is due out this Thursday so it would seem all is well on
that version.
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From: as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth)
Subject: SUBTITLES (Re: Star Trek VI -- Additional Footage?)
Reply-To: as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 07:17:13 GMT


In a previous article, kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) says:

>Paramount did a nice pressing of  the letterboxed edition.  They 
>removed the  subtitles of the Klingon dialogue off the picture and
>placed it in the lower black bar.  This was the first time I saw
>this in a movie release on Laserdisc.

	I _hate_ that!  Those bloody fools at Paramount did the same
thing to the letterboxed edition of _The Hunt For Red October_.  When I
saw the film in the theatre, the subtitles did not appear somewhere
below the screen -- they were actually _on the screen_.  So, why put
them in the black area on home video?  Any text that appears in the
picture (subtitles, credits, et cetera) belongs in the frame of the film
itself, precisely where it was in the theatre!



-- 
   any turkey
    can smoke!
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: La Femme Nikita (Was: Top Laserdisc Sales)
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:24:29 GMT

In article <36834@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> smah@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve Mah) writes:
>
>As long as I'm at it, can anyone confirm that the disc is in mono?
>If so, does anyone know how the import version compares (i.e. does
>it happen to be in Dolby Surround like it should be?)

Yes it is in mono :-(.  Thus no Dolby Surround :-( :-(.

-- 
                 "So many windows, So little time"

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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Wayne's World: Audio changed for Laserdisc release
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:54:20 GMT

While reading article <170u43INN1ai@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, I noticed that
unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu) said the following:
 >	Is there anyone who knows about the laws involved in this sort of
 >a thing?  I'm not trying to spread false information, but the figure I've
 >always heard (certainly possibly false and folklorish) is that you can use
 >up to 7 notes before you're infringing on a copyright.
 >
 >	So what is the real story?  If the 7 is correct, was the production
 >company just chicken?

The "7 notes" bit seems a bit apocryphal to me.

However, assuming the decision is true and says "anything less than 7 notes
could be a coincidence," the case could still be made that since (via the joke)
they're directly saying "Hey, that's 'Stairway to Heaven'" there is no
ambiguity and the producers owe the copyright owners big $$ for the using the
song.
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From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Truth in Advertising
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:20:51 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

(oops, sorry for the post with nothing in it...)

I had a good laugh from the description of the upcoming Columbia/RCA release
Husbands and Lovers as described in the latest Sight & Sound catalogue:

"An intensive voyage exploring the depths of unquenchable sexual desire by a
super-charged love triangle. A romantic Bermuda Triangle? This unrated edition
contains explicit footage, blah blah blah."


From: hess@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Kevin Hess)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:40:13 GMT
Subject: Re: SUBTITLES (Re: Star Trek VI -- Additional Footage?)
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases

>> 
>> See that "Star Trek VI" in the Subject?  Those subtitles are obviously part
>> of the movie itself, since the Klingon language is made up on the fly.
>> 
>
>Not exactly true.  Klingon is a "real," albeit artifical language, invented
>before the production of ST:TMP.  I suppose it WOULD be a lot for Paramount to
>expect that any significant portion of the population would be able to
>understand the dialog WITHOUT the subtitles, tho...  9-)
>
>Just my (largely worthless) $.02

I would encouragr those who are interested to obtain a copy of the
"Official Star Trek Klingon Dictionary" for use when viewing ST 6. Not only
can you practice pronunciation, but you can also appreciate the fine meal
set before the Klingon guests (one Klingon officer is eating Klaagh - looks
like live worms - pronunced KL followed by a gaging sound).

It is interesting to note that Klingonese is a very brief and efficient 
language.  One other interesting note is that the dictionary says that there
is no work for "to be" - an interesting note considering the Shakespearian
phrases uttered by the Klingons.

This is not an official statement of The Hewlett-Packard Company. No war-
ranty is expressed or implied. The information included herein is not to be
construed as a committment on HP's part.  No Klingons were actually injured 
during the filming of ST 6 (this notice included as a courtesey to the SPCA -
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Aliens)

"There can be only one!" - Conner McLeod of the clan McLeod
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or 
numbered - I am not a number, I am a free man!" - Number 6

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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: SUBTITLES (Re: Star Trek VI -- Additional Footage?)
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:59:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.034115.28625@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:
>	Putting the subtitles in the black area below the letterboxed
>image makes one look away from the film image to read the subtitles.  It
>is a distraction -- an annoyance.

What, so having the subtitles *on* the picture are *less* of an
annoyance?!  You have to look away from the main action that's
occuring on-screen in order to read the subtitles anyway (well, I do
at any rate - if you don't, then you must have good vision, in which
case moving the subtitles a little further down shouldn't be a problem
for you 8-), so why have them blocking the picture at all if you can move
them down out of the way?

>As for text on the black area making
>it easier to read, that's silly.  The only time subtitles are difficult
>to read is when the letters blend in with the image behind them (which
>I've noticed, annoyingly enough, in older films like _M_ and _Der Blaue
>Engel_), but subtitles done correctly (like on a more recent foreign
>film I saw, _La Femme Nikita_) are easy to read.

OK, how about this - putting the subtitles below the picture means they're
always legible, no matter what's happening in the movie, but if you stick
them on the movie image, chances are there's going to be at least one
point where they'll blend into the background and be difficult to read.
Rather than causing these kind of problems, you stick in the black bar
so you can read them easily all the time.

As for someone else's complaint about artistic integrity, that strikes
me as a load of hooey.  There are times when the titles placed over
the picture are important and intentional, like the credits, but it
strikes me as highly unlikely that the directors intend for the subtitles
to cover up their film; in fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of the
time they'd prefer it if you knew the language the actors were using
(except when they use the subtitles for a joke, ala Wayne's World).

>	Putting the subtitles in the black area is expanding the film
>below its appropriate visual range.  I find that terribly annoying.

"Appropriate visual range?"  Methinks thou art being too strong a purist.

I've seen movies that do and don't move the subtitles into the black
bar on the bottom, and I've always favored it when they do.  *I* find
it terribly annoying the way subtitles cover up part of the picture -
I like to see all of what's going on, including the little bit the
subtitles cover up - although I'll still take subtitles over dubbing
any day!
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
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From: r2chen@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Ray Chen)
Subject: Re: SUBTITLES (Re: Star Trek VI -- Additional Footage?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:10:40 GMT

i agree with the original post.  i dont think the subtitles should be moved
i think they should try to preserve the movie, and show it the way the
director intended to show it.  that was one of the main reasons i like laser disc, WAYYYY over VHS, aside from the tech specs.  on vhs, most of the time
it is impossible to get a ltx formatted disc.  

Another side effect of the subtitles in the black bars, is that when the new
16:9 tv's come out next year that automatically cut the bars off to fit the screen, our beloved subtitles will be cut right off.  that sucks big time.
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Few tidbits from the Laser Disc Newsletter
Keywords: LD laserdisc
Date: 12 Aug 92 05:57:44 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/

In <1992Aug11.213022.3938@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Crazed Monkey Boy) writes:

>In <1992Aug7.180213.5522@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2) writes:
>
>>I've seen several ads for the Image release of THE GREAT MOUSE DETECTIVE,
>>I thought it was old news so I didn't mention it before.
>
>ACK!!!   WHEN?  WHEN?!!
 
Of course, I get home, and find the Sight and Sound catalog waiting to tell
me about it.  I should have known.

                           "I learned to put the [toilet] seat down... it
                            makes you look like a warm, caring, sensitive
                            human being."
                                           -- Prof. Ralph Noble
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From: bates@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Bates)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Wayne's World
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:30:30 GMT
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division

In article <9208111926@ltrnativ.UUCP> adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead) writes:
>
>Anyways, I noticed on the back of the cassette sleeve it says "Some Music
>Has Been Changed For This Videocassette".  Now, I never saw the 'original'
>in the theatre, can anyone tell me what has changed and maybe why?
 
    In the scene in the guitar store, the first four notes to 'Stairway to
Heaven' have been changed to four unrecognizable notes.  The joke loses
something as a result.  Ah well.

	Andy Bates.
From: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Jan Wysocki)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Top Laserdisc Sales - For Week Ending August 1, 1992
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:03:28 GMT
Reply-To: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Organization: Vision Laboratory, Queen Mary & Westfield College.

In article <3756@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) wrote:
|> TOP VIDEODISC SALES			For Week Ending August 1, 1992
|>  12	     NEW	La Femme Nikita					$34.95

My question:
Is this a release of the original French flick, or the US remake?
Please email me if you know.

-- 
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                                      |  Queen Mary and Westfield College,
 email:    jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk          |  Mile End Road,
'phone:   +44 (0)71 975 5230          |  London.  E1 4NS
From: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Jan Wysocki)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: SUBTITLES (Re: Star Trek VI -- Additional Footage?)
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Organization: Vision Laboratory, Queen Mary & Westfield College.

In article <1992Aug14.103633.29630@engage.pko.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) wrote:
|> In article <1992Aug14.071713.15582@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes...
|> [quoting article about moving subtitles to the lower band on a letterbox disc]
|> 
|> } I _hate_ that!  Those bloody fools at Paramount did the same thing to
|> } the letterboxed edition of _The Hunt For Red October_. When I saw the
|> } film in the theatre, the subtitles did not appear somewhere below the
|> } screen -- they were actually _on the screen_. So, why put them in the
|> } black area on home video?
|> 
|> Boy, talk about strange complaints.
|> 
|> The reason subtitles "did not appear somewhere below the screen" in the
|> theater is because there *isn't* any "somewhere below the screen" in the
|> theater. That subtitles need to be placed on the image is a necessary
|> evil (hell, that subtitles are needed at all is a necessary evil).
|> 
|> In the case of letterboxed discs, there *is* space below the image, and
|> therefore placing the subtitles on the image is *not* a necessary evil.
|> 
|> Methinks this is being purist beyond all reason.
|> 

Yeah Jerry, but if you have a widescreen tv, there isn't necessarily any 
"space below the image" there either.  While the purist might want
a _separate_display_ for the subtitles of films which originally appeared
without subtitles, it is obvious that this film was planned with subtitles.
Therefore it's highly unlikely that anything significant was lost under the
subtitle.  It's just the usual courtesy of seeing the film as the director
intended: no pan and scan, no alterations to the image at all! 


-- 
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                                      |  Queen Mary and Westfield College,
 email:    jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk          |  Mile End Road,
'phone:   +44 (0)71 975 5230          |  London.  E1 4NS
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From: bew4568@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce E.)
Subject: Re: casablanca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.2021.869@channel1>, "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes...
>TMFAP>Just what is this thing you have about Criterion's pricing?  This is the
>TMFAP>second time within a number of weeks that you've crowed about the lower
>TMFAP>prices of MGM/UA's releases with respect to Criterion's.
> 
>     I can't AFFORD Criterion discs, that's why!  They're terrific to own,
>     when one can get them, but I can't spend $70, $80, or $125 for a
>     movie.  Turner's disc pricing, and the extra goodies like theatrical
>     trailers, sides in CAV, and the upcoming packed-with-stuff release
>     of "Casablanca" makes me want to crow (as you put it), because I
>     can actually afford to buy these things and not just stare at them
>     on the store shelves.
> 
>TMFAP>If Criterion was "furious" about Turner's subsequent releases on the MGM/U
>TMFAP>label of films that Criterion had previously released, there's no evidence
> 
>     I know that Criterion and Turner obviously have a deal that allows
>     Criterion to distribute Turner's movies on its discs.  Many of the
>     movies Turner is releasing these days - "Some Like It Hot," "A Night
>     At The Opera," etc. - have been out on Criterion discs for years now.
>     So Turner's releasing the same movies on disc at much lower prices
>     isn't really affecting Criterion sales.
> 
>     But on the other hand, for those of us who are only getting these
>     movies on disc NOW, Criterion may end up losing out to Turner.
>---
> ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ If you can't make it good, make it big.
>--
>Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Critrion have a deal going with Turner on 
North By Northwest where Criterion would master the movie and release it with 
all their extra stuff, then give the masters to Turner for release in a 
cheaper form months later?  I seem to recall a discussion about this a year 
ago.  But then, we may have been discussing a rumor.

Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Heavy Metal LD & Barr Digital Database
From: cowl@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DAve.)
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:37:58 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

Hi there!

I seek information (I was told it existed on LD...) on the Heavy Metal LD.

Does it indeed exists or not?

Which brings me to question II...

My current copy of the Barr Digital database does not have it listed. 
Where can I get a more recent update of this (mine is March)?

Any assistance greatfully received... :-)

Adva(Thanks!)nce.

Cheers!
DAve.
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: top laserdisc sales -
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:50:00 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

JW>|>  12       NEW        La Femme Nikita                                 $34.9
JW>Is this a release of the original French flick, or the US remake?

     The American remake is still being filmed; it won't be released for
     a while yet.  So the listing for "Nikita" there must be for the
     original.
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From: smah@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve Mah)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: LBX Excalibur is out
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:03:06 GMT

This probably isn't news to some, but the local Music Plus had the
new matted Excalibur LD in stock yesterday (8/19).  And yes, it's in
Dolby Surround (8-))

Reviews anyone?

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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: JFK = Still Defective!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:14:29 GMT

In article <14229@mindlink.bc.ca>, Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes...

} Curses! I bought JFK today since it was on special locally for $39.95
} (this is Canadian bucks, y'all understand...the regular price is $69!).
} My player won't go to the ends of sides 1, 2 and 4! What a pissoff.
} Does this qualify as "laser lock"? What happens is when it gets to the
} end (or as far as it will go), it goes back several seconds into an
} endless loop.

Yup, this is exactly what "laser lock" is.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Wayne's World: Audio changed for Laserdisc release
Date: 20 Aug 1992 20:08:35 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Aug13.171432.17547@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> bates@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Bates) writes:
}Still with me?  Good.  The scene in question is the one where Wayne goes to
}buy the Fender Stratocaster guitar (pre-CBS corporate buyout), and tries it
}out first.  As he cradles the guitar in his hands, he picks out four familiar
}notes, when the clerk stops him and points to a sign: "NO STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN".
}"No stairway!  Denied!"  Yes, denied indeed, for in the laserdisc version,
}the first four notes of the Led Zeppelin classic have been replaced by four
}completely different unrecognizable notes, making the whole joke fall flat.

	Is there anyone who knows about the laws involved in this sort of
a thing?  I'm not trying to spread false information, but the figure I've
always heard (certainly possibly false and folklorish) is that you can use
up to 7 notes before you're infringing on a copyright.

	So what is the real story?  If the 7 is correct, was the production
company just chicken?
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: lbx indy ld's
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:16:41 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

SS>Are the new LBX Indiana Jones movies coming out this month (August)
SS>or next month?

     Supposedly, they're due in at the end of August/beginning of
     September.
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