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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: 1993 World of Outlaws schedule
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:18:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.195750.24711@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com (Mike Dobosz) writes:
>Dave Burden asked in our internal Racers conference whether the majority of
>the WoO drivers hit all these races.  As I'm only a casual fan of WoO, I 
>couldn't say.  Do they?

In general, only a dozen or so drivers chase WoO points to the
exclusion of other pursuits.  The rest of the field is made up of
local heroes and "bounty hunters" like Sammy Swindell and Jack Hewitt,
who prefer to pick and choose big-money races rather than attempt to
beat Steve Kinser for the series title.  This might change when Kinser
retires, and a mere mortal has a chance to win again...

>If they do, it's quite a busy year! 

Yes, it usually is.  This year they deleted the February swing through
California -- most years's seasons are even longer.  A typical WoO
schedule includes something like 100 nights of racing.  Last October
there were two events in one day -- an afternoon race at the Syracuse
mile, and that same evening at Rolling Wheels Speedway some distance
away!

No doubt about it, these guys earn what they're paid.  Which,
generally, isn't much if your name isn't Kinser.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
    Clay-starved sprint car fan


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From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: Re: PITSTOP Returns!
X-Xxdate: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:55:24 GMT
Organization: BNR
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:51:00 GMT

In article <C19KLn.6rF@ncube.com> Bob Kehoe, bob@ncube.com writes:
>I am very pleased to be able to report today that
>our weekly, two-hour motorsport-exclusive radio
>talk show, PITSTOP, will return to the Oregon-
>Washington airwaves on Tuesday, February 9th,
>6-8pm pst.  We will be broadcasting live on
>KVAN, 1550 AM located in Vancouver, Washington.
>
>Caller lines are available from both the Oregon
>and Washington sides of the Columbia River and
>we're looking into gaining access to a 'bird'
>in the near future which would allow us syndi-
>cation outside the local area, complete with
>an 800 caller line.

Well, I think this is Good News!  Need a write-in
campaign for the 800 number?

Congratulations!

Tim
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: IndyCars was(F1: No Williams in 93?)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:20:39 GMT

aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk writes:
>> PS.  'Your Nige' must be laughing his head off!

Chris Prael writes:
>I reckon that he must be.  Especially since he and the Lola-Ford seem to
>be settling into oval track work very comfortably!  On Track says that
>he got within 0.4 sec of Michael's record at Phoenix before the weather
>chased them under cover.

Michael's record would have been set with a cobbled together car for the 
new Ford motor.  The engine had only competed in one race before Phoenix.
Also, Nigel gets to use a car that has a whole season's worth of development
on it.  He did give credit to the crew for having a great set-up on the car.
Let's see what happens when he gets the new car this week.  

I can't wait to see that guy in traffic!

Rob U
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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Subject: Re: 1993 World of Outlaws schedule
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:29:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.195750.24711@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com (Mike Dobosz) writes:
>
>In article <deanb.727544057@pecan10>, deanb@cray.com (Dean Barker) writes...
>
>[looooong schedule deleted]
>
>Dave Burden asked in our internal Racers conference whether the majority of
>the WoO drivers hit all these races.  As I'm only a casual fan of WoO, I 
>couldn't say.  Do they?
>
>If they do, it's quite a busy year! 
>-- 
>             {decvax, ucbvax, allegra}!decwrl!wfooff.enet!dobosz_m
>             dobosz_m%wfooff.enet@decwrl.dec.com 
>             dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com               DoD # 0596


No.  There is a cadre of 8-10 teams that make 80-90% of the races but the
majority of all fields are locales.

Not even Sammy Swindell runs all the Outlaw shows any more, choosing to 
run where travel and purses make sense.
-- 
Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Old Phono Race Recordings
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:57:51 GMT

Lo and behold, last night I happened across some
old relics.  Long play records of racing sounds,
which I acquired way back when.  I'm wondering now
if they're becoming collector's items.

One is sounds recorded at the February 1963 AHRA
Winter Championships in Phoenix.  According to the
times listed on the jacket, the top speed of the meet
in A/FD was 196.06.  Low ET was a 7.81

The second, and more interesting, is a full-race (plus
pre-race PA) recording of the 1963 Grand Prix of the
United States at Watkins Glen.  Sterling Moss is doing
the color on the public address system ("al-u-min-eyum").
The entry list is, of course, a step back in time:
Car #       Driver/Team
1.     Graham Hill/BRM
2.     Richie Ginther/BRM
3.     Bruce McLaren/Cooper Climax
4.     Tony Maggs/Cooper Climax
5.     Jack Brabham/Brabham Climax
6.     Dan Gurney/Brabham Climax
8.     Jim Clark/Lotus Climax
9.     Trevor Taylor/Lotus Climax
10.    Pedro Rodriguez/Lotus Climax
11.    Joakim Bonnier/Cooper Climax
12.    Count Carel Godin de Beaufort/Porsche
14.    Josef Siffert/Lotus BRM
15.    Innes Ireland/BRP-BRM **did not start race due to injuries
16.    Jim Hall/Lotus BRM
17.    Maston Gregory/Lola Climax
18.    Rodger Ward/Lotus BRM
21.    Peter Broeker/Stebro Mk IV
22.    Hap Sharp/Lotus BRM
23.    John Surtees/Ferrari
24.    Lorenzo Bandini/Ferrari
25.    Phil Hill/A.T.S.
26.    Giancarlo Baghetti/A.T.S.

The top five finishers were:
1.  G. Hill
2.  R. Ginther
3.  J. Clark
4.  J. Brabham
5.  L. Bandini

Of note is the fact that 7 starters were Americans.  Both records
have received their share of scratches and abuse over the years
(hey, I was a kid back then!) but are still pretty good.  I'm
wondering if anyone here happened to be present at either of
these events.  The one downside of the Watkins Glen recording
is the constant helicopter hovering during the entire race, but
I'm *positive* it wasn't being used to beam the satellite feed
from the in-car cameras :-)  The car sounds are terrific though.

Just thought I'd share this here,

bob

From: Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson)
Sender: postmaster@aisbbs.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: ignorance of the sport
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:41:12

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 >In article <1jc557INN4f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
 >ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
 >>But auto racing is much safer now than it was 20 years ago, so I
 >>wonder if Hemingway would still consider it a `real' sport?

 james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello) responds:

 >Especially considering Hemingway produced this quote at least 40 years
 >ago, when motor racing was horrifically dangerous compared to today or
 >even 20 years ago. I seem to remember this line actually appeared
 >sometime in the '30s.

Can anyone give me an exact reference as to when or where Hemingway
made his alleged comment regarding "true sports"?  I love the
quote, and have used it myself, but have never been able to
ascertain specifically when or where it originated.  In speaking
with one of the folks from "Age & Treachery Racing, Ltd." (who have
T-shirts bearing the "quote") he said that they had done
considerable research and had been unable to find a solid reference
on this.  He even opined that it might be a more succinct
paraphrase of some lengthier comments made by the late Ken Purdy in
his biography of Stirling Moss "All But My Life", but that it
sounded like something Hemingway MIGHT have said.  I had recently
re-read the Purdy book, and recalled the similarity of the
comments, but I'd still LIKE to believe that these words came from
Papa Hemingway. I've also seen several slightly different
variations on the quote, and would like to know the precise
original form, as well as what context it was stated in. Any
Hemingway scholars out there who can help?

                                   rj

                    Ric.Johnson@f4.z290.n1.aisbbs.com
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From: stevensd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Doug Stevens)
Subject: Daytona 500 tickets forsale
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: indiana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:38:45 GMT


I have 2 extra 1993 Daytona 500 tickets forsale.  These tickets are on the 
backstretch, section J, row 5 if that means anything to you.  Best offer gets
them.

Mail me here, or call 743-8933 ask for Doug
From: parfrk@rs6224.ecs.rpi.edu (Karl Andrew Parfrey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Question
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:06:28 GMT
Reply-To: parfrk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <1k913gINN6ir@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, giants@wpi.WPI.EDU (J Scott Kearney) writes:
|> 
|>       How much does the height of a driver matter...meaning the design of
|> the car, aerodynamics over a taller driver's head? (of course we are talking
|> about open cockpit machines)  Is a lack of height (under 6 ft. maybe 5'6"...
|> not to offend anyone who may be sensitive) a preferred quality in a driver.
|> I have heard stories of Ferrari's tight cockpits....but Mansell fit in one
|> so what's "tight".  
 
|> Thanks,
|> Scott Kearney
|> giants@wpi

I've read that in his early days in Brazil Piquet used to loosen
his belts and slide down in the cockpit during the straights
to improve his top speed.  _That's_ ambition/bravery!

I thought that F1 drivers participated in a beginning-of-season
weigh-in (I know that's true) and the cars were ballasted accordingly
to even the weight (I presumed).  Given that 20 kg ~= 1 sec/lap 
Nakajima and what's-her-name should have been blisteringly fast 
and Nige slow...

  uh-oh, where's my nomex!

	 -Kap
-- 
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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: Donnelly's return
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:53:34 GMT

mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>sorry about the previous aborted post but my computer, brains and
>fingers had a disagreement.

>I am happy to see Martin return to a F1 drive, but is this a one-off
>testing deal or does he actually have a contract with Jordan to do
>the whole season?  Also, could someone please help refresh my mind.
>What team was he driving for when he had his accident - Lotus?  And
>did they not say at the time that they would keep a spot for him open
>when he returned (or was that what Benetton said when Naninni had his
>accident).  Anyway best wishes for Martin in his efforts.
>Kent M. McClure
>Auto racing afficionado and member of San
>Jose IPMS chapter.
>My views are what they are, like them or not.

	He will most assuredly not have a contract for the '93 season. This
is just a test drive, much like Nannini's with Ferrari. Martin Donnely is
Irish, as is Eddie Jordan, so that is probably why he will be given an
opportunity to drive. I am not trying to belittle Donnely's abilities or
anything, but I read somewhere that he was 4seconds slower in a test in a?
I don't remember what it was, but I don't think he'll be racing F1 for a
while. Damn shame that both Nannini and Donnely were taken prematurely
from promising careers. Lotus did not say they would keep a seat open for
Donnely, but your Benetton reference was correct. Flavio said immediately
after Nannini's accident that he would have a seat waiting for him at Ben-
etton, but has since said that he would let Sandro test anytime, but that
he doesn't figure into Benetton's future driving plans...

TOBY...
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Subject: New Zealand GP.
From: educ074@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:21:50 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand


First           Craig Baird       Reynard 92H
Second          Stuart Crow       Ralt RT40
Third           Steve Cameron     Reynard 92H   
Forth           Jos Verstappen    Swift DB4
Fifth           Ken Smith         Swift DB4
Sixth           Charles Nearburg  Ralt RT40
Seventh         Barry Tomlinson   Reynard 90H
Eigth           James Taylor      Ralt RT40
Ninth           Paul Radisich     Sift DB4

Serries Points to the end of round five

Baird        169
Crow         164
Verstappen   162

This round also included the New Zealand Grand Prix run on the Manfeild Auto
course. The win by Baird was the first time that the NZ Grand Prix has been won
three time in a row.....
next round is at Pukekohe on the weekend of 30/31 Jan......
                        Chris    (EDUC074@CSC.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ)
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From: jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow)
Subject: Re: racing and sports physiology
Keywords: blood sweat tears
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:15:25 GMT

In article <C1A2G4.AyE@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>I remember a F1 race last year where Fittipaldi wore a heart monitor. While racing his heart rate was 180 I don't remember what it was during a pit stop.
>
>...probably higher, as this is one point of time in a race where
>the driver is not in control of his own destiny.
>

A few years ago, my wife took a course on work related stress.  The instructor
was talking about how work related stress has a definite relationship with
the longevity of life.  Then she went ahead and mentioned examples that
surprised people in the sense that they would not consider the level of stress
in those jobs to be what they were.  One of the examples she used was a race
car driver.  The instructor stated that the pit stop is the most stressful
moment for a race car driver.  Of course my wife, and all of us, can under-
stand this.  But the other people in the class had a hard time believing that
a driver would feel less stress trying to control a car at 200 mph instead
of standing still.

>Of course, the other big assets that drivers posess is incredible
>reflexes and eyesight.  Now, two related stories I remember along
>these lines are (and I really couldn
>'t say if these are just b.s. or really true):
>
>- Dale Earnhardt's peripheral vision is so great he can see his earlobes
>

This one sounds like legend to me.  I once read how Pele, the great soccer
star, was measured to have 210 degree peripheral vision (Normal is 180).
It was considered to be the highest measured at the time.  It would be
interested to know how race drivers measure.

>- During some study of athletes, racing drivers were the only ones who
>could read the label of a record spinning on the turntable (speed
>unknown).
>
I heard this too.  The speed is 78 rpm.

I've also read that race drivers have an above average sense of balance and
an above average hand grip strength.  I think these were from the McGill U.
study, and I think I read about it in Sam Moses' book.
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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: Ford-powered sprint cars
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:47:11 GMT

In article <C1Kx2p.31A@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>By the way, does not Casey Luna hold a high elected office in New
>Mexico?

If I remember right, he's Lieutenant Governor.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
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From: dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood)
Subject: Some Questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:35:46 GMT

Howdy,
          I have a few questions that maybe you all could help me with.  Either
reply to ras or by email.

     1.  Why is John Winter's name always listed in quotes?  He usually races
in IMSA-type endurance races.

     2.  Are Indycar V8's pushrod and how many valves per cylinder do they
have?

Thanks,

Deron Wood
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: F1 vs. Indycars (WAS- Re: No Williams in '93)
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:51:37 GMT

In article <C1G3BH.n46@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall) writes:
>In article <lm8fcgINNjhj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>>I reckon that he must be.  Especially since he and the Lola-Ford seem to
>>be settling into oval track work very comfortably! 
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^

>He may be fast, but I assure you he's not comfortable... in his AutoWeek 
>column, he says his comfort level on an oval kinda resembles an oval...
>ZERO!!    

well, he did pretty well in his first day, but it's good to see (from
what he says in his column) that he understands that ovals are `different'
and that they'll take some getting used to.  he hasn't seen high speed
oval traffic yet; the Phoenix race should be `interesting', to say the least.

cheers,
  richard
-- 
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``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
  a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: rmoises@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Roger Moises)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Daytona 24-hr race on TV?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:20:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: enterpri.1993Jan27.182023.15799
Reply-To: rmoises@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Co., Inc.


  Can anyone out there tell me if there'll be any TV coverage
of this weekend's Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona? My VCR awaits...

Thanks,
Roger

-------------------------------------
Roger T. Moises - UNIX System Manager
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co., Inc. Palo Alto, CA
e-mail:     rmoises@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
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Subject: New Zealand Atlantics.Race 1
From: educ074@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:02:38 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Manfield New Zealand and the first race for the Atlantics.
Denis Hulme memorial.
1.Jos Verstappen
2.Craig Baird
3.Steve Cameron
4.Charles Nearburg
5.Paul Radisich
6.Stuart Crow
7.Gregg Murphy
The race started with a tire bumping incident between Baird and Cameron which
let Baird lead from Verstappen and Cameron.Then with about 6 laps in Verstappen
took the lead and was never headed.Crow lost 5th to Radisich on the last lap.
From: s913579@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Visitor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: William / FISA mess
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:02:22 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>Does anyone lse hope that they all just stop pissing around and FISA
>lets Williams race with the same conditions as everyone else?

>I know that I will not find the races as interesting if Williams are
>artificially slowed down.

Is it just me or would the whole year feel awkward if you know that a
team is forcefully being held back?  What is the purpose of racing if 
all the other teams and FISA are restricting your team?

Either let them race (the other teams surely will catch up in time) OR 
just don't let them race (sort of discriminating).

At any point in time one team will have a jump on the others, this time 
its williams.  Williams should be used as a stencil against which the other
teams should measure themselves.  

Maybe if all the crying and sulking stops, the teams will realise that they
now have a real adversary and some serious work is needed to catch them.
This might even improve the standards of F1.

Thats all the lecturing from me for now.

				Caviar Dreams
				Visitor

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From: fireman@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Tracy L. Brooks)
Subject: Re: Winston Cup
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:33:47 GMT

In article <1joi7nINN2bc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> menolen@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Elena M Nolen) writes:
>
>
>
>
>         Has anyone out there heard who Bill Elliott's builder will
>   be this year. I read in Winston Cup Scene that Junior Johnson mailed
>   Tim Brewer a letter telling him his services weren't needed anymore,            but I haven't heard who is going to replace him. Someone I know heard
>   a rumor that they were thinking about Ernie Elliott..... Any insight
>   would be appreciated...
>
>        Almost time to go racing ........
>

Mike Beam is Elliott's new crew chief.  That's offical now I think.  I
think an internal guy to Johnson & Assoc. is going to become the crew
chief for Hut Stricken (Mike Hill rings a bell, but not sure).  

I haven't heard anything regarding Ernie Elliott but who knows?

later,

Tracy B.
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