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From: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.celtic,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Eire, Ireland? (Was Re: Separation vs. integration)
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:46:56 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul27.135230.16425@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>Finaly I would just point out that carelessness in refering to other
>countries is rather endemic in English. When people refer to the USA as
>America they do not receive diatribes about the evils of Coln. Custer
>etc.  Equaly, there has been quite a bit of carelessness in applying
>some names, eg IRAQ and IRAN which are both the same arabic word
>pronounced a bit differently.

You seem to forget that the main subject of the original post was not
the name of the country but the historical relationship, and the diatribe
was coming, even if there hadn't been the name mistake.  I don't know
anyone who mixes up Iraq and Iran, but using imperial arrogance to
twist a Gaelic word for the entire island, as a word in English for the
free state is something quite offensive to Irish people, amny more
of whom have corrected you.  It is unfortunate that the word has been
spread beyond the shores of Britain and that many people for whom 
English in not a first language now use it.  Maybe we should take it
off our stamps and put Poblacht na hEireann instead (even if that isn't
quite as official), or better still, Ireland.

>
>Surrendering control over language to people who wish to use it for
>political ends is a very dangerous thing. 

More nonsence.  I'm going to kill you with the word certificated (and
other similar American abuses of English.  Quite lethal, you know). :-)
>Phill Hallam-Baker


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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:37 PDT
Subject: Russia: Secret Holocaust
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 22 08:37:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Russia: Secret Holocaust

/* Written  8:36 am  Jul 22, 1992 by hrcoord in cdp:gen.gaylesbian */
World Press Review
July 1992

(c) 1992 The Stanley Foundation

Secret Holocaust

For 60 years, Russian homosexuals were repressed, imprisoned, and
tortured. "We've lived all of our lives in a nightmare of terror,"
says Olga Zhuk, a lesbian and leader of the Tchaikovksy Foundation,
Russia's first gay and lesbian group. As a perceived "ringleader,"
she was charged with sodomy (charges that were dropped) and harassed
by the KBG.

Homosexuality is being decriminalized, but Zhuk remains pessimistic.
If things get worse in Russia, she explains, "gay people, like every 
minority, will be the scapegoats."

Despite the spread of AIDS, Zhuk says many gays and lesbians "are
too frightened" to support the foundation. "They think...that it's
pointless to draw attention to themselves - and the more they have to
lose, the more frightened they are." [The Guardian, London]
From: hrcoord@igc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Child Slaves in Peru's Gold Rush
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:17:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700288:000:2393
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 27 16:17:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Child Slaves in Peru's Gold Rush

/* Written  4:16 pm  Jul 27, 1992 by hrcoord in cdp:hr.child */
Anti-Slavery Newsletter
June 1992

[The Anti-Slavery Newsletter is published by Anti-Slavery International,
180 Brixton Rd., London SW9 6AT, UK.]

Child Slaves in Peru's Gold Rush

Every year, workers from the Peruvian highlands flock to the gold mines
in the jungles of the Madre de Dios region, east of the Andes. Most of
the workers are children who come in the hope that at the end of the
season they will return to their families with some money.

In reality, few return with much and some do not return at all: they
die from malaria, dysentery, rabies and accidents brought about
by bad living conditions and poor food. Some are killed: violence 
is a constant feature of the area. Those most at risk are street
children who have been lured to Madre de Dios by traffickers. No
one seems to know or care about them.

To register a death and bury a body officially in these areas is
very expensive and most cemeteries are clandestine: the graves are
mounds of earth hidden in the jungle, marked with wooden crosses.

The gold is found in the river beds and the concessions are along
the banks. The workers dig pits to reach the river gravel, and pan it
to extract the gold; mercury is used as an amalgam. The work is
arduous and the conditions unhealthy. Services are non-existent.

The Madre de Dios region has been relatively isolated and sparsely
populated until the last few decades. It is dense jungle, cut by
many rivers flowing from the Andes into the Amazon basin. The first
gold deposits were found in 1978.

A member of ASI who recently visited the area reports: `In the
highlands these children have no way of making a livlihood and so
they are lured by the stories of gold in the rain forest. Often
they go willingly to escape from the terrible conditions in the
highlands. When they get to the Madre de Dios they are easily
cheated and exploited.'

ASI reported on this problem back in 1985 but the exploitation 
continues. Clearly, until economic prospects for highland communities
improve, people - including children - will continue to seek their
fortune elsewhere. Several local organizations are looking for ways
to monitor the concessions, in particular to rescue young children
and return them to their home communities.
From: cmylod@nl.oracle.com (Colum Mylod)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.celtic,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Separation vs. integration (Was Re: The European Community Blackmailed by Greece)
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:41:23 GMT
Followup-To: soc.rights.human
Organization: Oracle Europe

Another classic USENET article has appeared. It has the necessary attributes:
1. wild inaccuracies held as truth
2. patronising tone
3. personal criticisms
4. posted widely.

It is article <1992Jul24.092851.20554@dscomsf.desy.de>, posted by no less
than hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker).

To ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)'s comment of
|> Eire is a Gaelic word and is oncorrect (in Irish courts, anyway) when
|> used in an English sentence.  

the following comes:
|> It's what the country calls itself. The English language is known for
|> it's ability to absorb such foriegn words as `bungalow' which you would
     ^
|> have known wer you au fait with it. The Irish courts are not an arbiter
|> of the English language.

Ooooh, cruel. "The country" calls itself Eire only in Irish, and then the
word has to be declined into one of 3 cases. The English version of the
constitution specifies the name in English as "Ireland". This is how the
country is known to most English speakers, and anyway Ulick could hadly be
called ignorant of English. He would know the difference between "its" and
"it's" too... As for Eire, it translates as "Ireland", thus has the full
meaning of Ireland: an island, a country on that island, a country claiming
full juristiction over the entire likenamed island. The main users of 
Eire=Ireland(not N.Ireland) are Unionists who use it in one meaning. Webster's
gives Eire = IRELAND (but incorrectly gives ethomology as "Eire=Republic of
Ireland", it has Eireann = IRISH with ethomology of fr. Eire = Ireland). OED
not to hand.

|> |>Ireland is preferred.
|> 
|> Nope, Not in this context, we prefer that you use anything but the
|> language of appologists for murder and hatred
Old Phil is either baiting or on a bad day. Perhaps the United Kingdom of
Great Britain & N. Irl is also an "apologist for murder and hatred" with its
own 1948 "Republic of Ireland" act and for diplomatically recognising the
Ambassador of Ireland to the Court of St. James. Stand up, Liz II, you are
accused. Countries can specify their English names: the Kingdom of the
Low Countries specifies itself instead as "The Netherlands" in English.

|> Ireland has not separated from the UK, it was partitioned, Southern
|> Ireland is not a country, Eire is.
Wales is also by this not a country. See the dictionary. "Country" is a very
wide term. You seem fixed on using "Ireland" as a physical geographic term
but it does have a political one too. Bit like China.

|> When do we get to vote in GB to see if we want to keep them?
When the Scots get to vote on independence?
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:24 PDT
Subject: Burma Boycott Alert
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700251:000:2364
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 22 16:24:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Burma Boycott Alert

/* Written  4:20 pm  Jul 22, 1992 by rainforest in cdp:reg.seasia */
FOREIGN INVESTORS PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THE MURDEROUS SLORC 
					OF BURMA
     $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 US COMPANIES INVOLVED IN JOINT VENTURES WITH THE BURMESE 
					MILITARY

Please write to the executives of these corporations and tell them that 
doing business with the oppressive regime of Burma is expensive, 
umprofitable, and very bad for their corporate image!

Apache Corp. - Mr. Raymond Plank, CEO, and Mr. John A. Kocur, Vice 
		      Chairman of the Board
2000 Post Oak Rd.
Houston, TX  77056
tel. (713) 296-6000

Apache's concessions are in central Burma, east of the Irrawaddy River, 
near Prome; they are an attempt to revive old Burmese oil fields.
"An Apache International Inc. unit said it signed a production-sharing 
contract with Myanma Oil & Gas Enterprise, the national oil company of 
Myanmar.  The Apache unit will be the operator and hold a 50% interest in 
two blocks comprising about one million acres." 
Wall St. Journal, June 18th, 1992.

Texaco Inc. - Mr. James L. Dunlap, Chairman of the Board, and Mr. Earl R. 
		   Johnson, CEO
2000 Westchester Ave
White Plains, NY  10604
tel. (914) 253-4000

Texaco has purchased at least a 42% share of the Croft concession in 
Burma.

Amoco Corp. - Mr. H. Laurence Fuller, CEO, and Mr. Patrick J. Early, 
		     President, Amoco Production Co.
200 East Randolph Drive
Chicago  IL  60601
tel. (312) 856-6111

Unocal Corp. - Mr. Richard J. Stegemeier, CEO, and Mr. John F. Imle, 
		     Senior VP
1201 West 5th St.
Los Angeles, CA  90061

Amoco, Unocal and Texaco have had significant drops in profitability which 
forces them to curtail unprofitable operations.  This is the best time to 
convince them that doing business in Burma is not worthwhile.

PepsiCo - Mr. Wayne Calloway, Chairman of the Board, and Ms. Sharon 
	       Percy Rockefeller, Member, Board of Directors
Purchase, NY 10577
tel. (914) 253-2000

Boycott Pepsi products (Pepsi Cola, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Taco Bell, 
Frito-Lay, Pizza Hut, Mug Root Beer, Slice soda, Mountain Dew soda), and 
inform PepsiCo that you are boycotting them.

				
From: Project MAJE, 14 Dartmouth Rd. Cranford NJ, 07016 USA
Entered on E-Mail by Rainforest Action Network
From: hrcoord@igc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Sex Tourism
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:43:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700289:000:1871
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 27 16:43:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Sex Tourism

/* Written  4:42 pm  Jul 27, 1992 by hrcoord in cdp:hr.child */
Anti-Slavery Newsletter
June 1992

[The Anti-Slavery Newsletter is published by Anti-Slavery International,
180 Brixton Rd., London SW9 6AT, UK.]

Sex Tourism

Governments and the United Nations have shown some support for the
campaign against exploitation of children in sex tourism.

In January this year Vitit Muntarbhorn, the UN Special Rapporteur
on the Sale of Children, recommended to the Commission on Human
Rights that sex tourism should be discouraged. He said the service
sector, including tourist agencies, should act more responsibly in
dealing with their customers and called for international and national
tourist organizations to agree to a policy on children's rights and
protection from exploitation. The French government announced it is
prepared to take measures against sex tourism, including banning any
travel agency shown to have links with any form of child prostitution.

In Germany, the government is drafting a law to allow the prosecution
of citizens who have sex with children abroad. Governments in
Thailand, the Philippines and Sri Lanka are proposing much tougher
penalties against procurers of children and, most importantly, their
customers.

Swiss booking agencies are giving out information to all travelers
to Thailand, warning of the problems of child prostitution and
showing that sex tourism does not promote development. A Zurich
travel agent implicated in promoting tours for pedophiles has been
expelled from the Swiss Federation of Travel Agencies and forced
to close.

So far the UK government has done little. In response to a parliamentary
question on 20 December, Home Office Minister John Patten said the
government had no plans to prosecute people suspected of sex with
minors outside the UK.
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From: ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.celtic,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Eire, Ireland? (Was Re: Separation vs. integration)
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:57:23 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul28.154733.19697@rdg.dec.com> spain@galvia.enet.dec.com () writes:
>--
>In article <CC.92Jul28094542@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>
>|>OK, we definitely can't use "Eire".  But we also can't use "Ireland", because
>|>it's ambiguous (it could equally refer to the 26 or to the 32 counties).
>|>Could someone please suggest an unambiguous and inoffensive word for the 26
>|>counties?
>
>OK lets refer to this country as Fred.  :-) :-)

No!  No!  No!  I call the major component of my filter solutions Fred.  Its 
real name is 2,7-dimethyl-3,6-diazacyclohepta-1,6-diene perchlorate. ;-)

Seriously, you can use Ireland the way Americans use the word America - as
the name of the part they rule, and of the whole that they intend to rule
;-).  Irish people use Ireland the same way.  The context is usually obvious.

Seriously though, Ireland can be used for any part of Ireland, north or 
south, for such things as addresses.  For political entities, other logic
is needed.

Eire is out because it is Irish Gaelic and means Ireland and should not be 
used in English.  Use for the 26 counties is maybe less accurate than the
term Arse that I've seen for the language (OK, I know it's Erse, but I'm sure
the Brit who coined the word was thinking of, never mind, stupid word anyway).

Other terms.  Irish Republic is used often by British people.  It is accurate
and descriptive.  Irish Free State was the official name from the treaty,
1921 till the constitution 1937 - but I'm not sure when Stamps were changed.
It is also accurate and descriptive - in that 26 counties are still ruled,
but other things are different.  Georgivs Qvintvs Rex and one or two of his
successors was head of state and it was a member of the commonwealth.  Now,
it is often used by Republicans who recognise the invalidity of the Republic
of Ireland Act in the absense of rule over all 32, and by Northerners,
but many free staters
consider the term derrogatory. Southern Ireland is useful as an opposite to
Northern Ireland, but is really a nonsense - Malin Head in Donegal, is
the most Northerly point in the entire island.  

In short, if you do not wish to call it Ireland, use the term Irish
Republic, or Republic of Ireland, or simply the Republic (preferred term of
Free Staters -and it's just one word).


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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: hrcoord@igc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Guatemala Alert!!
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:57:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700294:000:2528
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 28 14:57:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Guatemala Alert!!


/* Written  1:19 pm  Jul 28, 1992 by nisgua in cdp:reg.guatemala */
NISGUA
The Network in Solidarity with the People of Guatemala
1314 14th St., NW
Washington, DC  20005
(202) 483-0050

RAPID RESPONSE ALERT
JULY 27, 1992
CONDEG MEMBER MARIO ANTONIO DIAZ EXECUTED BY MILITARY COMMISSIONERS
IN IZABAL

On July 12, in the early morning, individuals who identified themselves as
the authorities entered the home of MARCO ANTONIO DIAZ and shot him in the 
chest, killing him.  The assassins also threatened Diaz's wife and stated that
they would return to kill another man, MARCO ANTONIO GUERRA.  The crime
took place in the town of Crique Grande, in the eastern department of Izabal
Neighbors have stated that local military commissioners carried out the
murder.  Marco Antonio Diaz was a member of CONDEG, the Guatemalan National
Council of Displaced Persons.

(Source:  Comision de Derechos Humanos, 7-27-92)

Activate Your Rapid Response Network To:

Denounce this murder and call for the prosecution of the military commissioners.
Ask that the safety of Marco Antonio Guerra and of the wife of Marco Antonio
Diaz be ensured.

Send Messages To:
Gral. Jose Garcia Samayoa
Ministro de Defensa
Ministerio de Defensa
Palacio Nacional
Guatemala, Guatemala
Telex:  305-5361 COMGUA GU
Fax:  502 2 537472
Telephone:  502 2 21212, ext. 2226

Lic. Juan Jose Rodil Peralta
Presidente de la Corte Suprema de Justicia
Centro Civico
21 Calle
7a. Avenida, Zona 1
Guatemala, Guatemala
Telex:  305-5335
Fax:  502 2 512686
Telephone:  502 2 84323

Note:  Pre-arranged telex messages can be sent via ATI (800-388-5284),
FAXNET (800-831-2202) or Worldlink (800-827-2831).  Send Message 
"NISGUA #24."

Text of Telex Message "NISGUA #24):

Denuncio el asesinato del miembro de CONDEG, Marco Antonio Diaz,
por los Comisionados Militares en Crique Grande, Izabal, el 12 de 
Julio.  Exijo que se castigue a los responsables.  Pido que se 
proteja al Sr. Marco Antonio Guerra y la esposa del Sr. Diaz, quienes
fueron amenazado por los asesinos.

English Translation:

I denounce the assassination of CONDEG member Marco Antonio Diaz by the 
Military Commissioners of Crique Grande, Izabal.  I urge that those
responsible be punished.  I ask that Marco Antonio Guerra and the 
wife of Mr. Diaz, who were threatened, be protected.

Copies of all messages should be sent as solidarity support to:
CONDEG
Edificio Central
7 Av. y 9 Calle (esquina)
Suite 7-12, Zona 1
Guatemala, Guatemala
From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.celtic,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Eire, Ireland? (Was Re: Separation vs. integration)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 08:35:46 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com


In article <CC.92Jul28094542@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
> 
> |>OK, we definitely can't use "Eire".  But we also can't use "Ireland", because
> |>it's ambiguous (it could equally refer to the 26 or to the 32 counties).
> |>Could someone please suggest an unambiguous and inoffensive word for the 26
> |>counties?

Well, those of us in the North just call it the South. The fact that the
most northern part of the island is thus in the south doesn't seem to bother
anyone. Far more discussion is caused by the vital question of whether, when
one is in Belfast, one goes "Up" or "Down" to Dublin.

Steve
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.celtic,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:37:00 GMT

In <1992Jul28.031448.25192@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis) writes:

>In article <dfs.712285394@data>
>dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:

>> I realize that you can make arguments against hate crime statutes
>> based on the American Constitution.  That just shows that perhaps
>> the Constitution or its interpretation may be flawed.

>Really?  Exactly what type of flaw are you suggesting?

I don't suggest there is necessarily a flaw.  I'm certainly no legal
expert.  But we should not treat the American Constitution as some
kind of divine, immutable document.  It was drawn up by ordinary
people, who tried, to the best of their knowledge, to write a document
to provide fairness and justice for future generations.

But to suggest that such a process is infallible, or that such a
document is flawless, is a bit silly.  And it seems that many who
argue about these things use interpretations of the American
Constitution as some kind of final, unanswerable argument.

Look at American society.  Is it perfect?  Wouldn't you say that a
country's constitution has a profound impact on shaping its society?

--
David F. Skoll
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,misc.legal,alt.activism
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:29:21 GMT

<113-PCNews-124beta@ccs.covici.com> covici@ccs.covici.com writes:

#I thought a bit of sanity would be helpful on the subject of ADL /
#"hate crimes".  

Don't look like no sanity to me!

#From Our European Bureau 
#WIESBADEN, July 13 (EIRNS)--At a
#gargantuan event in Brussels last week,
#the World Jewish Congress, under the
#baton of Seagrams bootlegging heir
#Edgar Bronfman, 

Eh? What is this "Our European Bureau"? Did the "Liberty Lobby"
open a branch in Europe? This thread is written im a bombastic and
insulting way, and its author is certainly not interested in an
objective presentation of facts but in mud slinging. Please identify
the organization behind this article.

-Danny Keren.