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From: MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher)
Subject: Secrets--Cute things they say, almost 5 yr. old
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:18:06 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

My almost-five-year-old son, Casey, went to a Secret Santa shop at his
brother's school yesterday and picked out presents for his brother, his sister,
his uncle (who is living with us right now), his dad, and me.  He was very
excited when we got home, and wanted to tell his uncle what he got me.  So he
runs over to him and starts to whisper in his ear, but can't remember what the
item is called.  He ran back to me and asked, " Mom, what's that stuff that
smells so good?"  I suggested, "Soaps?  Cachet?  Potpourri?"  He yelled,
"That's it, potpourri!", and ran back and whispered it to his uncle.  I'm
certainly going to be surprised on Christmas!

He also had a little bit of trouble keeping his uncle's gift a secret.  They
had mislabeled one of the bags at the Secret Santa shop, and he came home with
two bags that had "Uncle Matt" written on them.  I suggested that he feel the
bag instead of opening it to see what was in it, since his uncle was sitting
right there.  He did so, and, with a triumphant smile, said, "Here!  This one
is Uncle Matt's cup!"

The cute thing about this was, that he really still believes he's kept the
secrets!

Cindy Maher
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: fee@asel.udel.edu (James Fee)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: creeping and crawling
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:36:43 GMT
Reply-To: fee@asel.udel.edu
Organization: A.I. duPont Institute

Dear Bob Weisbeck,

First of all let me say I'm about to express me own opinions and not those of this institution.

What you wrote about your brother both saddens and angers me.  The method you describe was put forth by a group named Doman & Delecotto (sp?) I believe and their work has been critized by many, including "60 Minutes".

I think that a carefully analysis of the history of their theories will reveil the errors in them.  I believe that such theories can be traced back to a missunderstanding of Darwins' theory of evolution.  Soon after his work was published people began to try
to explain neurological disabilities in terms of the "release" of the lower forms of
life which supposedly are present in the brain from the higher centers of the brain.
As a result the concept of "release of function" came to be exceptable.  And from this
grew the idea that a damaged nervous system was somehow functioning on the level of that of a lower animal. From this grew an idea that if a person were made to do the things the lower animals did, creep and crawl, they would develop into "higher functioning animals.

In conclusion then I bet creeping and crawling did nothing, what worked was the hours you and your family spent teaching your brother,  GOD BLESS...all should be as lucky as he!


Jim Fee
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Kid not eating good food, only junk food
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 09:56:33 GMT
Organization: Authors with Twins
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:33:10 GMT

If he'll only eat spaghetti, just feed him that every night.  You could
try pureeing up some cooked vegetables  and mixing it with the sauce, or
sprinkling cheese on top to add some nutrition.  Someone suggested having
him help you cook or prepare food.  I've heard kids often will enjoy
eating a variety of foods if THEY'VE made them.

Good luck!

Theresa Jarosz Alberti
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seeking a decent baby carrier
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:34:11 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I already wrote to Andrew with my recommendation,
but wanted to respond to the following post:

Johanne Kaminski wrote:


Buy a sling type carrier!!!
We had a snugli-type carrier (ours was a kangaroo), but after the 3rd or 4th
month most all babies hate these because they want to look out, and not at
your chest.  We had something like Sarah's ride (ours was called a
Baby Bear) which was ok for some times.  We had a backpack,  and one other
carrier that is too hard to describe.  We tried them all (we are firm 
believers in carrying ones small children, and we love going on hikes).

***************************

Just wanted to say that, unfortunately for our
wallets, different carriers work for different
babies. We now use a Sara's Ride - and I'd
bet that most babies over 4 or 5 mos. old do
fine in these, as by then they're (the babies)
usually over the infant aches, pains, or whatever
that make being held in very particular ways so
effective. But just as different babies "like"
different holds, they also prefer different 
types of carriers.

When Isabel was tiny, she practically lived in
her carrier -  but it was the *third* one we
tried (sling type and open snugli just didn't
do it for her). The one that did work was the
Evenflo Eventyr (?- I think - the grey one with
the turquoise binding) which is very enclosed and
confining - has an adjustable seat inside a pouch,
which zips up snugly (can go over the baby's head)
and holes through which hands and feet can peek
out (though Isabel preferred hers in). For her,
the feeling of being tightly enclosed was
crucial. At one point, it was the only way
she'd nurse, and it *never* failed to calm her/
put her to sleep when she was really nuts. There
are other brands of similar carriers, but if your
baby likes this type, I highly recommend the 
Evenflo - very sturdy and comfortable, with
padded shoulder straps, easily adjustable
everything, good weight distribution, etc.

Anyway, my point is that you may have to test
a few types of carrier to find the one that 
works for your child. Perhaps  you can borrow
several kinds from friends before purchasing?

(And oh boy, do those days of pacing with the
baby in the carrier (should have said "days
and nights") seem mercifully distant now that
she's almost 11 mos. old! So remember, though
it may seem endless, this stage will be over
soon, and you'll be wondering where your little
baby went.)

-Dena
From: tomfox@cs.utexas.edu (Thomas Y.C. Woo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Recommedations for Nursery Monitor
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:34:10 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: needmore.cs.utexas.edu

I remember seeing some discussion on nursery monitors earlier.
I seem to recall that a lot of people are happy with Playskool.
I did not pay much attention then. I would appreciate it if
someone could let me know if Playskool nursery monitor is indeed
fairly good.

Thanks,
Thomas Woo
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 13:51:45 EST
From: Cindy J. Mitchell <CINDY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject:    looking for Oren Yuen

I have tried to mail the jogger faq to you at Oren@motorolja.retix.com
and the mail bounces.  Please get back to me with a valid address!
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cindy J. Mitchell
University of Maine System
Computing and Processing Service
Cindy@maine.maine.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bparrish@rose.hp.com (Bill Parrish)
Subject: Re: Questions about monitors and bi-lingual babies
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:58:21 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Regarding obscene messages on a baby monitor...

Remember that baby monitors use the same frequencies as cordless phones.
There are ten available frequency pairs (cordless phones send on one
frequency, and receive on another... a baby monitor uses only one of the
frequencies, since it is one-way).  

The obscene messages may be half of a phone conversation... or possibly
someone with a scanner has figured out the baby monitor frequency, and
programmed a cordless phone with selectable channels onto that frequency.
(i.e. it MIGHT be malicious, but probably not).

If the nursery monitor at your house is on a different frequency, it would
explain why your neighbor gets the obscene messages, and not you.  (Do
you receive each other's nursery monitors on the receiver?  Have you 
tried one transmitter with the other receiver?)  

Also, please remember it is a TRIVIAL matter to pick up nursery monitors and
cordless phones with a scanner.  I'm all the time reminding people who call
me up (when I hear the WHIZ of a cordless phone) to switch to hardwired
phones if they are going to discuss anything personal... or when they 
are going out-of-town, or thus and such.  

Bill Parrish
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: catching up
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:18:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Dec12.231847.12137
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

My friends boy is 3 months older than 8 month old Elizabeth. I am
wondering approximately when Elizabeth would catch up to Kyle in
physical activities, or will Kyle always be 3 months faster at 
learning things for the first couple years? She is starting to hold
her own with him. For a while she wasn't able to "pick" back, but
yesterday, she got him to whining a few times. 

Is it possible for Elizabeth to learn to walk before Kyle? He can
stand and push things, but doesn't show any interest in walking
on his own right now. In a previous article, I had mentioned that
Elizabeth can pull herself up now.

-Laura (Mommy of 8 month old Elizabeth)

ps. Just curious. I'm not obsessed with her learning physical
things when they are "supposed" to.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Subject: Re: How do you celebrate Hannukah?
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center	
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:01:31 GMT

Thank you for e-mailing me the story of Hannukah, I am pretty much good
to go to celebrate this holiday except for two things:

Ariel Shattan writes:
>2. Sing Chanuka songs:
   Maoz Tzur
   Oh Chanuka  (english, hebrew, and yiddish!)
   I Had a Little Dreidl
   (words to any of these on request)

Oh OK, request, please e-mail or post the lyrics and tunes.

MOST important, how does one play Dreidl?

Well, I'm off to find some of those foil covered coins :-)


================== We Design and Build Fine Networks ===================
		Stephen Ray Northcutt (703) 663-4447
Disclaimer: The Public Affairs Officer speaks for this Naval Lab, not me!
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
	<1glhqeINNi59@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
	<1992Dec19.172939.18506@newstand.syr.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.172939.18506@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

   So now...what do you have to say to a person who intends to have his kid
   circumcised because he looks at his circumcision as *an advantage*?

I'd say that you hadn't considered that the circumcision could turn into
an emasculation.  It happens, it's scary.  Well, it scares *me* anyway.

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.
From: wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Private Time" with the Kids
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:28:15 GMT
Organization: U. Texas Center for Space Research

In article <1992Dec18.133454.2572@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher) writes:
> Although we have always spent time in the evenings with the kids
>(ages 4 and 7), reading books or playing games, we always did it as a family
>group.  ...
>
>What I've been doing now is having "private time" with each boy for about a
>half hour each evening.  Each one of them decides what they want to do with
>mom--and they talk about what their choice is as soon as they get
>home from school.  Then just the two of us go into my room alone and do
>whatever it is that they have decided on for the evening.  This has been
>reading books, drawing, playing games, or even just talking.  

Coincidentally, I've just instituted "Mommy&Elizabeth Night" at
our house.  I work two jobs, seven days a week, and Elizabeth
(4 1/2 yo) and I are separated from her dad as of September.  So our
time together is severely limited and yet we need it very very
much.  I was finding that I was always desperately scrambling to
get laundry, dishes, cooking, picking up done, and sometimes
just relegating Elizabeth to her own devices or a video while doing it.
(Sometimes you can do it together and sometimes you just can't;
if you have 10 minutes to get the kitchen cleaned up and the
living room picked up before you leave the house, you pretty
much do it alone!)

Anyway -- we've instituted, once-a-week, Mommy&Elizabeth night,
when I DON'T answer the phone, we DON'T turn on the TV, we don't
even answer the door!!  In fact, we've pretty much decided that
we stay home that night because we're just not home much at
all.  We do things together, whether reading books, drawing,
making cookies, playing with her dinosaurs, playing games, --
she gets to choose.  I think it helps her self-esteem to know
that nothing else takes precedence, at least once a week.  We
certainly do read books and do things together, and go places,
the rest of the week, but this is EXPLICITLY just for us to be
together.  I was also becoming envious of her dad, who pretty
much devotes his time with her to playing with her.  I've just
decided that Elizabeth is the priority, and spending time with
her must be protected or it won't happen.  So I'm happier, and
just for that night, I don't care what's pending, until she's
asleep about 10:00 :-) or so :-) -- she sleeps about as much as
*I* really need to but seldom do!!  (BTW:  where are these
children who actually sleep 12 hours out of 24, that the baby
books talk about???  Mine won't nap at daycare and sleeps about
8-9 hours at home.)

Anyhow -- YMMV.
-- 
Anne Hill Wiebe (anne@csrux1.ae.utexas.edu)  When in danger or in doubt,
(512) 471-5573, 450-1694                     run in circles,
Center for Space Research                    scream and shout.
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: baked 'play dough' recipe wanted! (fast!!)
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:35:00 GMT
Distribution: misc
Organization: Sylvan Associates

I thought it would be fun for Katherine to use her cookie cutters to
make some ornaments, and while the cooked play dough recipe we use
works *great* for dough that stays soft and doesn't dry out easily, it
doesn't seem to dry out well for making permanent sculptures.

So, I'm looking for your favorite versions of dough to make into
permanent stuff - we want to make some last minute ornaments and bake
them to dry them (if necessary).

Please email me (and post too, if you wish) your favorite versions, as
I don't know if/when I'll get caught up again.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: jans@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Jan Schonhoff)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Thumb-sucking
Keywords: Thumb-sucking
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:54:07 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta

The question on when to give up a pacifier sparked my interest.
I have a 2 year old daughter.  She has never liked pacifiers, but has
always be a thumb-sucker.  She only does it when she is tired and ready
for a nap or bedtime, so it is not a constant thing.  However, my husband
has concerns about her continuing to suck her thumb as she gets older.

Everything I have read, and gotten from the pediatrician says she will 
probably grow out of it by 4 or 5 and it is not a problem for her permanent
teeth until that time.  So don't do anything about it and time will take
care of it.  It is difficult to convince my husband of this.  

My daughter is a very happy, secure child, and I do not want to do anything
to create stress and insecurity for her.  So I am looking for the net's 
experience and advice on this matter.  

Thanks.

Jan Schonhoff
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson)
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:38:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.185813.22839@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>
> The real test of fathers'
>(and grandfathers') "enlightenment" would be measuring how
>readily they'd change diapers the old-fashioned way.
>-- 

Well, I've changed disposable, cloth (with pins and clips), and pull-up
filled with all manner of messes.  I really don't see what the problem is.

                                  Chris (father of Heather, 23mo)


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From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A question about older circumcision
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:54:49 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Dec16.193651.8553@advtech.uswest.com>
  <1992Dec16.163136.15847@hemlock.cray.com>
  <1992Dec17.155811.29183@advtech.uswest.com>

Just wondering what necessitates circumcisions in males who
were not circumcized as infants.

Does anyone know the percentage of uncircumcized males who later
require the proceedure (yes I'm sure that someone knows, but does
someone know who can post the answer).

Carol
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Subject: Re: Opening Children's Gifts at Parties
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:27:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.223626.14217@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>PS.  A tangential comment/question:  my niece's birthday party was at a local
>children's museum and was fairly large (20 kids).  Her mom did not open any
>presents at the party.  Instead, after the birthday cake she gave all the guests
>goody bags, sent them home and carted all the gifts home to open later by
>themselves.  The explanation was that, at this age, kids get too worked up
>seeing one child getting such a gift bonanza.  Hmmm, I have to say here that
>although I can see some logic to this, it was disappointing to me (don't think
>the kids noticed).  Question:  is this in fact the newest trend (as my SIL
>assured me)?  Oh, one reason I was let down was that I had looked forward to
>seeing if my niece liked the kitchen kit :(.  Oh well, I put one together for
>my son for Christmas, so by golly I'll get to see SOMEBODY open one :).

What we did for Laura's 3rd birthday was have a small wrapped gift 
(a book) for each child.  Then, Laura and the guest exchanged presents.
They opened their gifts together.  This worked quite well.  The kids
also had goody bags to take home (which they filled via a treasure hunt
- each child had a colored sticker to collect.  After all the stickers
were found, each sticker was exchanged for a candy.  Oh, and the goody
bags were paper lunch bags which they decorated themselves (Babar
pieces cut out of construction paper in advance, glued on by the
children).  What fun!

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:21:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec16.194527.1073@dsd.es.com>, ksouth@dsd.es.com writes...
>In article <1992Dec15.181822.27762@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>I haven't seen that my husband has suffered in any way 
>whatsoever for being circumcised. He agrees with me.

Ummm...How can he tell if he's missing anything or not if he 
never experienced being uncircumcized?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women
From: jrr@nsc.nsc.com (Jerry Roe)
Subject: Re: Neglected or Abused Children, CPS, Foster Care and Prison
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:18:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.062641.6248@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.185957.11581@sequent.com>, petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire) writes:
...
>> Or in cases where the family does not admit there is a problem.
>
>This is true.  And, for what it's worth, the majority of cases where parents 
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>refuse to admit there's a problem, it's the father.  Maybe it's a macho
>thing?

Whoa, let's slow down here.  This concerns me because it's *precisely*
the kind of conventional wisdom that is currently perpetuated by the
child "protection" industry.  I'll be the first to accept that there are
abusive parents out there, that's a ground rule.  But the automatic
response that when a family refuses to admit there's a problem, therefore
there must be one (OK, that's not exactly what the writer above said,
but it's what you usually hear) IS a problem.  The protection industry has
bought hook, line and sinker the hypothesis that if you admit guilt,
obviously you're guilty, and if you deny guilt, you're "in denial" and
therefore also obviously guilty.  And the only way they let accused
fathers get any hope of "re-integration with the family" is...you guessed
it...to admit guilt.  Or go to jail.  Some choice, huh?

This is not just my opinion, it's based on conversations with numerous
people, some of them counselors, some attorneys, some victims of the
system.  And the "training" the protection workers get very clearly
encourages the beliefs that 1) children don't lie about abuse, 2) denial
is evidence of guilt, 3) the mother must confirm the father's abuse or else
she is perpetuating the abuse - and therefore can not be trusted with the
children - and so on.  There is NO room for "innocence" in this system;
if anyone needs proof of it, go read the San Diego County Grand Jury's
report of their investigation into SD's children's protective agency.
It'll curl your mustache and give you nightmares.


Jerry Roe
jrr@nsc.nsc.com		...!{sun,pyramid,decwrl)!nsc!jrr
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jimi@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (james.d.wynn)
Subject: Baby Names..
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:12:03 GMT
Keywords: please HELP find one ..


Hello and Happy Holidays...

We are about to become grandparents.
Is there a list of names and their meanings, any place ..??
 Please email to the "email address"  me directly... I am sure this gets "asked"many, many times each year.

Thanks in advance ...

James D. Wynn
 jjnjw@clockwise.att.com