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From: julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Betweening
Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:52:17 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>In article blah, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>> In article blah, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>>Why isn't there a sonic boom due to the sudden vacuum when a 
>>>dragon goes between?
>> 
>> Because thats not what causes a sonic boom - the sound you're
>> hearing when a jet flies past is the edge of a 'cone' of sound
>> formed as the air is forced to move around the plane faster than
>> it wants to (ie, the speed of sound). This shockwave propagates
>> down to ground level, where you hear it as a sonic boom after the
>> aircraft has passed overhead - its _not_ just when the plane
>> breaks the sound barrier. (Note: this is only a rough explanation
>> of the phenomenon, buyers beware.)

>In that case, what causes the nice crack that thunder makes?

Lightning superheats the air immediately surrounding it to millions of
degrees.  This hot air expands outwards at an incredible rate, fast
enough to create thunder.  A teleporting object, on the other hand,
probably just vanishes, and the resulting collapse of air would be only
a brief gust of wind.  (I always wondered how arriving teleportees
avoided the problem of assimilating N2 and O2 throughout their bodies.)

I prefer to avoid the term 'sonic boom' myself--a) I can't tell whether
I'm reading a.f.p. or alt.games.sfII, and b) It's only a lot of air
moving really fast, but going nowhere. :)

F'zik
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Betweening
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:46:47 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Why isn't there a sonic boom due to the sudden vacuum when a 
dragon goes between?

--Semhaza
From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Where's PernMUSH?
Followup-To: poster
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:21:37 GMT
Organization: Just me.
Distribution: world
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Would someone be so kind as to e-mail me the address of PernMUSH?
It seems to have moved since I last was on.

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
From: julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: population
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:21:50 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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jrosen@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Jamey Rosen) writes:

>It always seems that just about everybody on Pern knows everybody
>else...just how many people live there? I can determine a rough populaton
>density, but not the population extent...Surely in the mellenia since
>landing a significant number of people have come into being!
>Any thoughts?

The original six thousand colonists have grown to a couple of million by
Moreta's time, I believe, and by Lessa's time probably around five million
or so.  Is this reasonable?  Given that a Weyr probably has only about
five to ten thousand people, this means by far the largest concentration
of people is in the Holds, as is proper in any agrarian society.  Let's
see, how big is Fort Hold, the largest?  Call it twenty thousand at most.
So, four million into twenty thousand is about 200 holds the size of
Fort (allowing a generous one million Crafters).  Since there are barely 
twenty holds comparable to Fort's size, this shows that most everyone lives 
in minor or one-family holds on the Lord Holders' lands.

Any speculation on the relative sizes of the Crafts? Any bets that the
Weavers and Tailors are really the biggest crafts on Pern?  After all,
not everyone has six daughters to sew for him/her like Lord Holders do.

F'zik
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From: ballt@ucs.orst.edu (Teresa Ball)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Movie - MUSH Address - Deaths - UUCP
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:44:57 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
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IO20902@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:

> As for the death of Robinton, and the self-deletion of AIVAS in ATWoP, I
>literally cried over that one myself. It was a real pity to see the way Robinto
>n was treated in that book, I was shocked to think the McC. could even consider
>having him treated like that. Using that as a base, I'd likely cast my lot ther
>e that it was written by a ghost writer.

Ann was at the Westcon 45 last summer, and took part in a discussion about
killing of characters.  She explained why she had Robintion die.  During a
good portion of the discusion she was crying herself.  She said that as a
writer, she also became attached to Robinton, who was like one of the
family.  At about the time she was writing AtWoP, her own brother died, and
in writing Robinton death scene, was able to releive some of the pain of
her brother's death.

But as a P.S., I think the the method of having Robinton go out with
Avais was the only possible way for him to go.  It was dignified and
peaceful.

Terry
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs... 
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:39:07 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <722304362snz@keris.demon.co.uk>, chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
 
> On a related topic, what (human) birth control is available on Pern?
> Lessa mentions that "The hold girls are convinced it's immoral to abort"
> - how do they do abortions?  There's no invasive surgery on Pern.  Is
> there a natural drug?  How about prevention - is there a natural
> contraceptive drug?  (There is in Valdemar, but that's a different
> universe).  The 'rhythm' method won't work, when a dragon could rise at
> any time...

In addition to the herbal methods alluded to by others, there are some
gruesome methods of abortion, including getting someone to jump on your
lower abdomen. I also read an unpleasant but informative description by
a woman on how she gave herself an abortion. It involved sharpening a hook
(crochet hook?) and scraping the uterine wall.

Ugly, but it works. I can see other reasons why the hold girls might not
want to abort besides the morality...

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:22:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov18.174430.13137@oswego.Oswego.EDU> mccall@oswego.Oswego.EDU (D. Todd Mccall) writes:
>From either Dragonflight or either Dragonquest : (I'm paraphrasing here)
>
>F'lar states that if greens didnt chew firestone they could reproduce, but
>that they'd hatch only small dragons, and that it was a good thing that the
>firestone kept them sterile, because considering the amorous tendencies of
>greens, the weyr would be overflowing with little dragons in no time.

Of course, if this was the case, then sending ten or twenty
greens back with F'nor to the Southern experiment, and keeping
them off firestone might have solved the problem of not having
enough dragons for the 9th pass.

Even if greens were permanently sterile after chewing stone, the
few Turns spent in the south could have allowed a few young
greens to hatch clutches.

My personal opinion is that green dragons are born infirtile, as
a result of Kitti Ping doing some genetic tampering. The
'firestone' explanation is just an excuse handed down through the
ages.

Then again, greens are pretty much expected to chew firestone, so
it might never have been tested.

Joshua
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From: mcsbc3maw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.nathan.brazil
Subject: Any More Chalker Novels?
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:14:17 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



	i have just finished the well world series.

	can anyone tell me any other novels he has written ???

	Cheers

		Mark

Newsgroups: alt.fan.nathan.brazil
From: wcscps@alfred.carleton.ca (Mike Richardson)
Subject: Re: Any Good Chalker Since Soul Rider (Book One)?
Keywords: Chalker
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:32:33 GMT

 Chalker's latest series starts out OK, but quickly comes back to
similar ideas.. intelligent viruses, dramatic sweeping 'save the world
or it's going to hell' sort of thing.  The second book is about 1/6 a
summary of the first one (boy was I annoyed!), and the last one (The 
ninety trillion Fausts' was a complete letdown.  He actually has one
scene near the end where he does the 'green light attacked' (Alfred
Bester, The stars my destination) sort of thing.  i.e. the normal text
stops, and in an attempt to show the 'psychedelic' nature of what's 
happening, he goes to LARGE variable fonts, and other assorted stuff.
  Needless to say, when I reached the point in the novel I said 'Come
on, Bester did it before and it WORKED, this DOESN'T '.
  The writing seemed to be much more complex than his previous books,
but I LIKED the other books, and didn't have to do as much work to
figure out who was what doing what to who. (that's about what it was
like).  He seemed to have too many characters and too much going on.
 Not that I hated the books, I liked some parts of them.  But the
parts I liked seemed to be more short stories, which were patched
together with some forgettable glue in order to make 3 novels.
  So Chalker _IS_ doing original stuff, but not much, and I'll
probably not read the 'quintara marathon' books again, unlike Well
World and The four lords of the diamond.
   Alan DeKok.



Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: bedford@asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Darryl Bedford)
Subject: Re: a.f.j-b FAQ
Reply-To: bedford@asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Darryl Bedford)
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:26:51 GMT
Keywords: bond faq

In article <1992Nov18.172651.17274@b8.b8.ingr.com>, anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
|> Although your reviews of all the movies were GREAT, better than any


NOT my reviews.  Repeat, NOT my reviews.   
Haven't even read through them all myself  :-)

Darryl
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Multi-film sub characters
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:21:43 GMT


>>And what's more...Felix seems to change appearance in different
>>movies...
>>
>>Somtimes he looks tall and well built and somtimes he looks mousey....
>He even managed to change races between two movies (from white to black
>and back to white... I think Felix would have earned the CIA's awards for
>most versitile disguise master. ;)
>
It wouldn't have surprised me if they turned Felix into something like Felicity
Leiter (the way most of the Moore films were going except for the last three in
my opinion, which I thought were pretty good, FYEO being the best of the Moore
films I think). I think John Gardner managed to something to that effect in
FOR SPECIAL SERVICES - the Leiter in the book is Felix's daughter. Now, assume
that Felix and Bond are in their late 40s (they only aged about two or three
years from GOLDEN GUN to LICENSE RENEWED despite the twenty year time span in
the rest of the world). Now, I'm only 18 years old, but my father is in his
late forties as well. How is it that Cedar managed to finish high school and
college and then go through CIA training and be that young (she would have to
be in her early 20s unless she was a protoge, but still how did she manage
that without Daddy Leiter finding out?). Or else, she's in her 30s and Bond
and Leiter are in their 50s and then what the hell are they doing out in the
field? 005 was in his 50s and they retired him to Head of some station near
Greece (besides the fact that 005 was going blind).

But then Gardner is too inconsistent. Making LICENSE TO KILL part of the novel
series was also stupid. You'd think that if Leiter was remarrying that Cedar
would have come back, and anyway no one mentions why he had to remarry in the
first place. And then he loses both his fake limbs? Major coincidence. Anyone
read DEATH IS FOREVER yet? I'm still putting it off. I thought with SCORPIUS
he would finally get an idea of how to write a Bond novel his way without
being a Fleming clone, because I really liked that book, but apparently it was
a fluke.

philip
Philip Wang
E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Though many a tortured night prevails thy Exorcisms shall but fail
While Crucifix doth burn my flesh I shall not yield to you unless I Die."
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Multi-film sub characters
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:10:39 GMT

In article <92325.085245BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu> Brian Panulla, MooCow <BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Another character that appeared twice was Sylvia Trench, who played Chemin
>de Fer with Bond in Dr. No, and shared a picnic lunch with him in From Russia
>with Love.
>______
Originally, though, Sylvia Trench was supposed to be in every movie and it
was supposed to be sort of a joke thing that just when Bond is about to you
know what with her M. calls him and Bond has to leave the country to kill
someone.

philip
Philip Wang
E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Though many a tortured night prevails thy Exorcisms shall but fail
While Crucifix doth burn my flesh I shall not yield to you unless I Die."
From: saint@cats.ucsc.edu (Daniel Ira Bodenheimer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: New movie in works?
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:30:38 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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>>Roger Moore was already famous as The Saint.

   To which ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chad Adam) replied:
>Didn't Sean Connery also play the Saint?  I think he did after Moore
>became James Bond for a While.

No, Sean Connery was never the Saint. Ian Oglivy played the Saint in
the short-lived series, The Return of The Saint. Don't know what Chad
was thinking of! :)
-Dan
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp)
Subject: Re: Multi-film sub characters
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:34:35 GMT

In article <psmith.722195571@cunews> psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) writes:
>I always thought it added something to the films when there were
>appearences by actors from previous bond films.  Aside from mainstays
>like M, Q, Blofeld and Moneypenny, I got a kick out of seeing Jaws
>(aka Richard kiel) keep showing up.  And I got a real laugh in "Man
>With the Golden Gun" when the Southern U.S. sherrif from "Live and Let
>Die" happened to be on vacation in Japan.
>
>Were there other such return appearences by actors?  One that rings a
>bell although I can't put my finger on it is Felix from the last
>Dalton film:  I only remember seeing him once before (and I can't
>remember which film) but they played him up to be a real mainstay in
>the last film.  Did he appear in many?
>bye

He also played Felix in 'Live and Let Die'

Riston

Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:13:21 -0500 
From: Chad Adam <ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Multi-film sub characters
	<1992Nov23.141147.3620@b8.b8.ingr.com>

And what's more...Felix seems to change appearance in different
movies...

Somtimes he looks tall and well built and somtimes he looks mousey....
From: cogginsl@rhodopsin.cs.unc.edu (Leslie Coggins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: New movie in works?
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:03:22 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Heard on a talk show that Sean Connery is looking to do the
next Bond film for between 8 and 12 million.  Wouldn't that be great!?!



Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater)
Subject: What's up with Roger Moore these days??
Originator: kjc7435@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: worlkd
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:02:21 GMT

What is Roger Moore up to these days??  Last thing I saw him in was the
British film he did (?? BULLSEYE??).  What has he starred in since
then??

please send e-mail replies. thanks!

K. Cater.
e-mail:"kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".

Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp)
Subject: Re: New movie in works?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:31:16 GMT

In article <17800@borg.cs.unc.edu> cogginsl@rhodopsin.cs.unc.edu (Leslie Coggins) writes:
>Heard on a talk show that Sean Connery is looking to do the
>next Bond film for between 8 and 12 million.  Wouldn't that be great!?!
>
>
>

He (Connery) always says this as a joke
From: GRANTH@brownvm.brown.edu (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: New movie in works?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:15:30 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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At the risk of being repetitive <grin>...
What about Kenneth Brannaugh as Bond?
He's certainly tough enough.

And villans? Hmm... Anthony Perkins and Robert Duvall, anyone?

Grant.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
Subject: Re: Multi-film sub characters
Organization: large
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:37:33 GMT

Christian "Squeeze me? Bacon Powder?" von Schmidt-Pauli (schmidtc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu) wrote:
: rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp) writes:
: 
: >In article <psmith.722195571@cunews> psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) writes:
: >>I always thought it added something to the films when there were
: >>appearences by actors from previous bond films.  Aside from mainstays
: >>like M, Q, Blofeld and Moneypenny, I got a kick out of seeing Jaws
: >>(aka Richard kiel) keep showing up.  And I got a real laugh in "Man
: >>With the Golden Gun" when the Southern U.S. sherrif from "Live and Let
: >>Die" happened to be on vacation in Japan.
: >>
: There was also a female actress who appeared in two films.  I cannot
: remember her name, but she was the main female character in Octopussy,
: and she also appeared in ( I believe ) The Man with the Golden Gun, as
: Scaramanga's mistress who wants Bond to kill Scaramanga, but ends up
: getting killed herself.  ( Movie plot ).

The actress was Maud Adams.  I think she's the only actress to have
played characters who slept with Bond in two movies.

--
-Davebo                         "A Freudian slip is when you say one thing
                                 when you're really thinking about a mother."
 djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu               -Cliff the Postman
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: giles@news.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Giles Nelson)
Subject: Re: New movie in works?
Originator: giles@downwind
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:22:48 GMT


Anthony Shipman writes:
> I keep hearing rumors that Dalton quit the series and both Mel Gibson and Pierce
> Brosnan were being considered for the role. God, I hope not. I think Dalton's the
> only choice for Bond since Connery went bald and grey.


Rick writes:
> I think Mel or Pierce would make a good James Bond.
> A cool James Bond movie would be something like Bond and some American CIA guy
> like Steven Segal, team up to take on Specter.
> Hey, I'd pay to see that!


I, myself don't know about Dalton quitting the series. I hope not, I think he's
a good Bond, second only to Connery. A replacement is always a difficult problem.
Certainly Mel Gibson is OUT. He would look ridiculous,
and would not be able to exhibit the Britishness required for any degree
of realism. He might have been a choice if he was an unknown actor, but
I will always associate him with films such as Mad Max and Lethal Weapon,
hardly playing Bond-like characters.

I haven't actually heard of Pierce Brosnan, what films has he been in?

What is required I think is a fairly unknown, preferably British, actor to take
the role, just as Connery, Moore and Dalton were.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith)
Subject: Multi-film sub characters
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:52:51 GMT

I always thought it added something to the films when there were
appearences by actors from previous bond films.  Aside from mainstays
like M, Q, Blofeld and Moneypenny, I got a kick out of seeing Jaws
(aka Richard kiel) keep showing up.  And I got a real laugh in "Man
With the Golden Gun" when the Southern U.S. sherrif from "Live and Let
Die" happened to be on vacation in Japan.

Were there other such return appearences by actors?  One that rings a
bell although I can't put my finger on it is Felix from the last
Dalton film:  I only remember seeing him once before (and I can't
remember which film) but they played him up to be a real mainstay in
the last film.  Did he appear in many?
bye
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: Never Say Never Again
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: alt
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:49:21 GMT

  I kind of liked NSNA. While it isn't up there among my all-time favourite
 Bond films (like From Russia With Love, or Octopussy), it's a mindless
 piece of fluff. Plus, it has Rowan Atkinson as "Nigel Small-Faucet". For
 my money, any movie that has a character with a name like that and has
 Edward Fox playing M is worth a chuckle.

   				The Woodsman.

   Rowan Atkinson for next James Bond villain!

-- 

Rich Paige DCS/CSRI     paige@csri.toronto.edu