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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:16:01 GMT

In article <l8e092INN81q@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.234347.4464@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>>
>>But Vader didn't know it was his little girl until RotJ!  Rough, from memory
>>paraphrase:
>>
>>	"...sister!  Obi-Wan was wise to hide her.  Now your thoughts have
>>	 betrayed her as well." - Vader from RotJ during the saber battle
>>	 with Luke in the Emperor's chambers.
>
>I never thought about it like that. I always thought that Vader knew
>that Leia was his daughter even way back in ANH. But that above quote
>makes it sound as if Vader is reading Luke's mind and just then discovering
>that Leia is his daughter.

	Er, what makes anyone think that Vader ever knew Leia was his daughter?
Sure, he knew from reading Luke's mind that he *had* a daughter somewhere, but
for all he knew, the girl was tucked away on another backwater planet with her
little dog Toto.

	Personally, I would've expected more reaction from Vader if he'd just
found out Leia was his daughter-- "You mean that conniving traitorous bitch is
my daughter?! Er, I mean what a sweet little girl."



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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Snaggletooth figurine?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:20:55 GMT

	I've got this figure from the _Star Wars_ period.  To the best of my
knowledge, it was never sold on it's own.  It's a regular sized (Like Luke,
etc..) figure of Snaggletooth.  He's wearing a blue costume, as opposed to 
the red outfit his much smaller counterpart has.  I've heard this worth some
money, but don't know how much.  Anyone know?  It's from the saloon set from
_Star Wars_ (I can't believe I forgot the name of the bar)!
			-Casey Hopkins

hopkins@agora.uucp

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:57:21 GMT

z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu wrote:
: 	How is the Millenium Falcon, plastic model and Kenner toy, set up?

The Kenner version is not to scale. It's entirely too small. The engines
aren't there, it's the interior -- gun turret, game table, and smuggling
all in 1 part. It outwardly looks okay, proportioned correctly, but the
interior is not to scale -- the figures are too big.

The little die-cast model with mini-figures had much the same problem.

Scott
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:15:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Sep3.151523.27577
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <92246.165121JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>if Lucas says that the novel SW is NOT canon, then Capt. Antilles doesn't 
>exist by name.

	He does, but they never say who he was.  C3P0 mentions that he
was their last master, in the garage scene.
From: fraser@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:22:20 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <l9l5quINN4mr@sal-sun117.usc.edu>, joshuali@sal-sun117.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
> In article <25AUG199216061172@utkvx4.utk.edu> jtodd@utkvx4.utk.edu (Todd, John Brian) writes:
> 
> (stuff about why Yavin wasn't destroyed)
> 
> Think about it:
> 
> The Empire is after the moon.
> 
> The DS can chase the moon down fairly easily.
> 
> What would you do if you were chasing someone who was much slower (almost 
> standing still) around a large object? Would you move the much bigger object?
> I would simply walk around it.
> 
   True, but then why didnt the DS just come out of hyperspace beyond Yavin,
or off to one side, so that the planet wasnt in the way? This is a clear
case of plot device (and nothing wrong with that - lets not analyse these
films to death :-)


Rich.
From: fletcher@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Sean A Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: FIGURES FOR SALE
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:37:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'm selling a boxed set of the Star Wars Play Dough kit,
and some FIGURES.

I don't know how much they're worth, but I'm willing to take
the best offer.

Contact me at FLETCHER@ZODIAC.RUTGERS.EDU
'nuff said!
sean
From: ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Falcon's claw...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:22:23 GMT


>Actually, WEG has a major function of the "claw" on the front of the
>Falcon.  WEG shows a concussion missle launcher recessed within the
>"claw", and in RotJ, Lando fires several missles at the main reactor.
>These missles cleary come from the recession inside the "claw".
>(Also, they must be concussion missles because, Wedge couldn't dent
>it with his proton torpedos, and Lando annihilated it).  With a
>missle launcher (and magazine) right inside the "claw" I don't see
>how a cargo space could be put there.
>
What you refer to as a "claw" (why a claw??) on the model kit actually
has a window inside that recessed part of the ship.
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is GUMBY)
Subject: Re: Luke in the Rancor pit
Keywords: ROTJ Luke Rancor
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:25:38 GMT

In article <Btx7rA.8HM@wpi.WPI.EDU> queue@banach.WPI.EDU (Rob Roy) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep1.160704.21334@pyra.co.uk> XXX@pyra.co.uk CHANGE THIS TO YOUR NAME writes:
>
>
>In the Return of the Jedi StoryBook there is a picture of Luke gripping
>onto the grate above the Rancor. This Might be where Olli remembers seeing
>it from. My guess is that it probably was filmed but cut out. Can anyone
>confirm this?
>
>
    I both remember this in both the movie and the picture book.  RotJ feels
    so short when I watch it now apposed to when I originally saw it. There
    must heaps more footage cut to the modified version.




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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 20:55:17 GMT


In a previous article, quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu (Douglas E. Quale) says:

>In article <1992Aug26.164100.10016@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>>
>>Yes, it was directed by Irvin Kershner, and there were a lot of problems.
>>He was not realy an adventure-type director.  He was more of a person-
>>type director.  He wasn't really in the spirit of the thing, either.
>>(This is evidenced by the fact that he tried to sue Lucas to get his
>>name in the traditional spot -- at the end of the opening credits --
>>as mandated by the Director's Guild of America.  Can you imagine what
>>that would have been like?  
>>
>
>This is not correct.  The DGA sued Lucas, Kershner was not informed or
>involved.  Lucas paid a $25K fine, and the DGA kept all of it -- Kershner
>didn't get a penny.  I believe that Lucas resigned from the DGA in disgust.
>
>I think your attack on Irvin Kershner is unfounded.  Your facts are wrong
>and TESB is by far the best directed and most stylishly executed film of
>the trilogy.

OK, I take it back.  It really wasn't meant to be an attack on Kershner
anyway.  As for the incompleteness of the facts, I apologize, and thank
those who corrected me.  (I just want people to know the facts, I don't
really care if I look like an idiot in the process.)

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From: gt6543a@prism.gatech.EDU (Eric F. House )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:16:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug26.172128.22260@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>I'm not a physicist, but I play one on USENET. If you blow up the
>planet, the asteroid field, if it is sufficiently localized, will keep
>the moon in orbit.
>
>I don't believe that this new asteroid field would be THAT localized.
>

Agreed.  We are talking REALLY localized.  So much that it is indistinguishable
from a point mass.

>What's the moon going to
>do? The lack of planetary gravity isn't going to cause it to go skitting
>off at any high speed.
>

Actually, yes it is.  It is currently moving around Yavin at some orbital
velocity.  It is being constantly acted on by the planet of Yavin to change 
its direction to move in a circle.  If that force (Yavin's gravity) is no 
longer there, then the moon will move in a straight line with the same speed
it was originally travelling in orbit with.  On earth, that would be some
17,000 miles per hour.  Since Yavin appears to be many times the size of the
earth, it would be a much higher speed.  

>tsmaster@athena.mit.edu


I am no expert on planetary mechanics, and if any of you physicists out there 
are, you are welcome to correct any of the above, but that's my opinion of
what would happen when Yavin was destroyed, based on particle dynamics class.
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From: lalibr@jec305.its.rpi.edu (Ron Scott Laliberte)
Subject: Re: Sith
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:57:21 GMT

  All this volcanoe talk reminds me of a 'script' that was being sold at
fan cons about 8 years ago.  It was supposed to be part of the clone wars
series, and there was a big battle between Anakin and Ben at a volcanic
site... the last stage of Anakins transition to Darth Vader...
  I think this was supposed to have been a 'script' for episode 3...
ANyone have one of these?

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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer model help
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:28:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.163125.4889@cs.hw.ac.uk> adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) writes:

>The rest of the ship is clean - any captain who let
>it get as dirty as a Rebel ship would soon find himself demoted to
>the lowest rank possible, and given the post of assistant to the ship's
>cleaning droids. :-)

For my money, that'd be the best place to be in the Imperial Navy considering
how their top brass are always getting choked to death. =)



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From: gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Princess Leah's cell block?
Keywords: figure stands
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:06:49 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug30.005325.24452@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman) writes:
>
>Could somebody please tell me what princess Leah's cell block was?
>
>Thanks,
>          John
>           jmb5b@virginia.edu

2187 on Detention block AA23
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:47:00 GMT

In a way, this is good -- they're putting the disclaimer on to
keep the door open for films following RotJ....

Scott

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From: scostant@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Obi-Wan hiding from the Dark Side
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:06:02 GMT

In article <92242.225328MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>, <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> Okay, in either _Dark Force Rising_ or _Heir to the Empire_ (forget which one)
> it is mentioned that the reason Yoda was able to 'hide' from the Emperor after
> the Clone Wars is because of the cave on Dagobah (where Luke saw himself as
> Darth Vader in ESB), which was very strong in the Force, and thus protected him
> from the Empire ever finding him...
> 
> I know that these two books are not considered Canon, but I will treat them as
> such until a new movie or 6 comes out... but what was Obi-Wan's 'protection'
> from the Dark Side of the Force?  He was no Jedi Master, nor did he have a
> large presence of the Force (like Yoda's cave) near him, so how did he manage
> to survive all those years from the end of the Clone Wars to the start of ANH?
 
...rest deleted.

From my interpretation of the movies, particularly in ANH. A jedi could feel 
tremors in the force. ie. Ben on the MF when Alderan was disintegrated. 
However, while Ben could sense the 'thousands of voices crying out', he was
 able to do so was because an entire planet's population was crying out
 simultaneously (this would be a pretty "BIG" disturbance in the Force). Even
 with this large ripple in the Force, he probably wouldn't have been able to
 pin point the origin. (I admit this may be due to the fact that the MF was in
 a state of hyperspace).

This combined with the further observation that Darth only sensed Ben's
 presence once he was standing alongside the captured MF inside the Deathstar,
 would seem to imply that a jedi's ability (whether aligned with the dark side
 or not), wouldn't exend over large distances unless the source signal was
 amplified.

 Even if Yoda's presence on Dagobah emitted a strong ripple in the force that
 could be detected by Darth Vader or the Emperor, I doubt they would be able
 to pinpoint its source. Therefore, Ben's  presence on Tatooine would either go
 un-traced or more importantly undetected. As for Luke and Leia, if Darth
 knew of their existence as children, until they began to develop their powers
 they were of no threat, and their presence not detectable. 

 At this point, I would like to know if Anakin, alias Darth Vader actually knew
 he had any children prior to TESB? Which leads me to ask, when did the Emperor
 or Darth become aware that Luke was a ' skywalker'?

COZZIE

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name....
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:14:14 GMT

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 18:47:31 GMT, bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) said:


bmcm> Does anyone know the name of the monster in the sand pit that
bmcm> Luke and Han were to be thrown into (by Jaba) and slowly
bmcm> digested ?

Sarlacc Pit

bmcm> Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
bmcm> the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
bmcm> Jaba's place.

It was in Jedi also. Rancor
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Was this scene in ROTJ, or not ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:25:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep1.162537.1154
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <rock.715294268@rama>
rock@rama.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Jan-Oliver Rock) writes:

>Hi to all Star Wars fans !
> 
> Here's my question : 
> A friend of ine and I seem to recall a scene inROTJ which does not appear
> on any video tape of ROTJ we've watched. But we did see the film at the
> movie some years ago, so we are not shure ...
> It's a scene in Jabba's palace, when Luke falls into the rancorpit.We thought
> that  Luke jumps into the air , clinging himself to the iron bars.
> Then some jawas appear and hit Luke on his hands with their guns.Luke
> then drops back into the pit and so on....
> I hope someone can end our dilemma...;-)
>Ciao
>     Olli
>    
>
>rock@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de 
> .


I seem to remember that scene in the movie version, but not in the video
version. There are several scenes that seem to have not made it to video in
all three videos....

Dave
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From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: ESB and RotJ on Showtime this month
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:55:58 GMT

The subject says it all.  Empire has one and only one showing this month, on 
9/26, and Jedi has two, on 9/26 (actually after midnight) and 9/27.

It's been YEARS since either movie was on HBO or Showtime - i.e., on national,
commercial free, uncut channels (I'm not sure about Cinemax or TMC).
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From: jtodd@utkvx4.utk.edu (Todd, John Brian)
Subject: I've been wondering about this for ages...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:06:00 GMT

Two answers, one I've come up with myself and one that is in a SW:TRPG
supplement:
1) The superlaser only works against terrestrial planetoids, like Alderaan and
Yavin's moon (or the Earth for that matter), but not Jovian gas giants like
Yavin itself was.

2) According to the Death Star Technical Companion, at its highest energy
setting, ie the planet-busting settinng, the superlaser can only fire once a
day.  Thus, if the Empire used the superlaser to destroy Yavin, it would have
had to do a mundane bombardment of the moon, which would have been less
impressive to the rest of the galaxy than destroying the Alliance in one huge
fireball.

Besides, it's more dramatically appropriate for the Death Star to have to orbit
the planet, giving the rebels time to respond! ;)


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From: elcranor@amhux1.amherst.edu (Erich Cranor '93)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:21:16 GMT

In article <l9ipeuINNgdk@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>...Boba
>Fett *was* the trilogy.  Try to imagine Empire without him...

	Hmmm.   I think I can manage that.  After all, in Empire he's
just some tool who happens to wear a cool suit.  The plutodroid or the
lizard guy could have done as well.  Maybe better since they lack the
propensity to use disintigraters.  I'll grant that he was clever
enough to wait for Solo, but then again, why not check where no one
else is checking.
	In Jedi he was a chump.  I can see that has a dissappointment
to everyone who hoper he would be great.  Like everything else about
the third movie, he was a big letdown.  But the movie is part of the
trilogy, so if you're talking about his importance to the trilogy,
that's what he was--beans.
	Granted there's a lot of cool stuff said about him, and he
certainly was my favorite figure for a while back in the post Empire
days.  However, all that's not really in the movies.  In the movies he
really doesn't amount to very much.  You might as well extoll the
inteligence of the guy in bespin with the funky headgear.

ec
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke in the Rancor pit
Keywords: ROTJ Luke Rancor
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:08:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Sep2.170855.13881
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep1.160704.21334@pyra.co.uk> XXX@pyra.co.uk CHANGE THIS TO YOUR NAME writes:
>For those of you who want to know what happens in the novelisation :-

>1.  Luke and Gamorrean Guard fall into Rancor pit.
>2.  Rancor makes hors d'oeuvres of Gamorrean Guard.
>3.  Rancor advances upon Luke thinking "Aha, entrees !"

	Though I didn't read the novel, it's easy to take your word for
these, as all of this happened in the film as well.

>4.  Luke jumps over Rancor - a distance of some 8 metres if memory serves -
>    to hang from a grating over the pit.
>5.  Two  Jawas smash Luke's knuckles with weapon butts forcing him to  fall
>    once more into the pit.

	Should have used The Force to send them headlong at high speed into
a wall. :) (Yeah, I know, beware the dark side, blah blah blah)

Question about this part:  Why did he have to pick up a rock and throw it
at the door controls? I suppose it's either

a) so the audience has some idea what is going on, people might have
gotten miffed if such tense scene ended with the door just falling on 
the baddie.

or 

b)  It would be a direct 'attack', which the force shouldn't be used for.
(Though it's definatly self-defence...)

Any other ideas?
From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Summary: Clarification
Keywords: nice smile, loves kids, knows computers, etc...
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:09:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence

In article <92239.091742ESL108@psuvm.psu.edu> Eric Leven <ESL108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Hold up, hold up, folks. Get your stories straight. Here are the facts:
> A full size mock-up was created for Star Wars, but only the landing ramp area.
>When Empire was being filmed, there was enough cash to create an entire full
>size mock-up. This model was being stored in London between Empire and Jedi,
>but was ruined by water damage where it was kept. Because there were few shots
>in the storyboard of Jedi for a close up Falcon, they never built another
>full size mock-up. All the shots of the Falcon in Jedi are matte paintings.
>You can see this in the Rebel Cruiser hangar when Lando and Solo say their
>goodbyes (and while Solo waits to take off in the Imperial Shuttle).
> The cut scene on Tatooine where the Falcon and Luke's X-Wing sit side by side
>is also a matte-painting.
>
>Eric Leven
>Penn State
>"Who gives a mynock's butt HOW Boba Fett died? Get over it!"

Whoa jumpbackkissmyself...  According to the Making Of ROTJ (a nifty
little novel), The Falcon that was used in the sandstorm scene (don't
I remember seeing it in the movie theater?!? *8) ) was the full-sized
Falcon.  I remember because the book said it was the only time in the
entire movie that Lucasfilm dusted off and used the full-sized Falcon.
But you're right, the Falcon on the hangar bay is a matte painting...


	--Jerry


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