HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:04:50 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <mvdvalk.718973071@bosporus> mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes:
>Six million Chinese in Hong Kong and 20+ million Chinese in Taiwan can't be
>wrong. I mean, if 26+ million people can learn traditional characters, why
>can't the people in PRC.

Let's try this:  if 1400+ million people (~ 54 times of 26 million), which,
include not only people in mainland China but also in Singapore can learn
simplified characters, why can't the people in Taiwan and Hong Kong learn as
well.  Actually no one should worry about Hong Kong since 1997 is coming :-)

>                      I heard that the simplified characters are simpler to
>learn. Does this mean that PRC citizens are actually too stupid to learn the
>traditional characters? I can't believe this!

I heard that English is easier to learn than Latin.  Does this mean that
people who speak English are actually too stupid to learn the traditional
language?  I can't believe this!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Once Again, US Welcome You
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:38:19 GMT

In article <16242@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In post <Bvyr78.ELn@news.iastate.edu> (11 Oct 1992) Zhiqi Zuo writes,
>
>> The professor didn't do anything like claiming "I am weak.  I need
>> desperately your help.  Save my life, your Honour.  This is the only way
>> out for me."  He choose to stay, then he did it by not doing anything
>> losing his dignity.  That was all.
>
>    Are we still talking of the original question posted by Lix? :-)
                                                           
A correction: the questioning was by Eddie Cheng. You made a mistake. :={}

I was showing that you had made a very poor comparision in the SAME context.
From: elee950@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: elee950@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

>The fact and truth is that American can crush China
>within relatively short time if they want.
Would you mind tell us how you knew this fact and truth?
If you just took it for granted, I would say I never believe it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Greencard, Prediction, and 9201 action
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 15:16 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:14:00 GMT

          It is certainly an escalating moment for tens of thousand
          CSS in this country.  The fact has shown that together,
          Chinese can make a difference!

          At this particular moment, may I remind everybody that one
          week ago, two predictions appeared at scc?  The first is by
          Shannon, which says the probability of the bill being signed
          was 0.49, and not being signed .51.   Another prediction is
          by Zai4 xia4, which says Bush would sign it at the last
          minute.

          No one else gave other predictions.  Only Shannon, and me.

          Isn't it clear who is the Yu4 yan2 jia1 and who is the
          Jiang1 hu2 pian4 zi?

          I am writing this message for a historical record.  I
          repeat, I, Tu Ya the scientific predictor, instead of
          Shannon the gao1 yao4 seller, greatly, gloriously, and
          correctly predicted the future.

          Cheers.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27642 soc.culture.taiwan:14299 soc.culture.hongkong:12374 soc.culture.asean:6935
From: cqk5188@acf5.NYU.EDU (Chien Kwok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Fresh 1991/1992 Economic Strength of East Asia
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:31:53 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: New York University

Say... where did you get this info from?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS *******
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:05:30 GMT

In article <9210121849.AA18273@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>* If you know any other financial institutions who issue VISA/MASTERCARD with
>* no annual fees, please let me know. 
>
>AT&T, the wrong choice. 
>1-800-CALL-ATT ask for universial card. 
>

I think AT&T no longer offers free credit cards.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:39:46 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <ld6r7kINNijv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <BvrLAC.AwC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>>
>>>According to the late reports:
>The report came on newspaper in last week.
>>>
>>>ROC GNP:10000 U$      P'ROC GNP 400 U$
>>>Foreign exchange reserve:
>>>ROC: 90 B U$	 P'ROC: 40 B U$
>>>
>>This might not be a correction. It is from Fortune.
>>GNP of Taiwan is 6600 U$,  PROC GNP 2000U$ (based on purchase power)
>>I don't have it with me, those are just from my memory.
>
>You wish, and I hope so. The world 3rd economy power in 210... century?
>Hey, that is good, and could buy 150 Mig-31 or more to break the rock.:-)
>But, whatever the number is, it is way way way behind.
>>>
Well, I'm home, and found the Fortune Oct. 5 1992. The list is

China, Per Capita GDP $2656 (adjusted for purchasing power, 1989)
Taiwan, is $6837.
Hongkong $15180
Singapore $15108 
S. Korea $6117.

Anyway, 2656 is WAY WAY WAY behind.

Another thing is about the GDP,
China, $371.2 Billion.  Taiwan, 175.7 billion.
Rarely happen to you to underestimate Taiwan. What a suprise.  
>>>Chinese people are great, if the one drops P pre-fix.
>>>Then China has the world number one foreign exchange reserve.
>>>Just using the interest of those money will be more than
>>>enough to pay Chinese children education.
>>BTW, why not the other one put on a P pre-fix? 
>>
>If that happens, the P's doesn't belong to P, it is pronounced "PI".
>And you know, a fox can not fool aound the world, it may, not any longer.
>People under rock are much better off than those under P.
>The rock cares much more about education (30% budget goes to education).
>
Would you explain what does "rock" mean. I'm slightly confused about the
whole paragraph. (China doesn't have 30% budget for education) Sometimes
we see girl scouts selling cookies here. It shows that US doesn't have
30% for education too.

Tingli Pan
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: 9201 people will be more active
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:04:17 GMT

Blood card is blood card.  George Bush's signature does not change the fact
that those green cards are bloody.  Regardless this "law" will be executed 
or not, we 9201 people will keep our effort going.  This effort includes:

	- continue to tell the US public and the Chinese public about the
	  true face of those blood carders;
	- make this page of history clear and errorless;
	- continue to discuss with the Chinese students in China about those
	  blood carders' behave.

As many of you did before, I wish this 9201 effort can obtain more support.

Shannon Yeh
One of the early 9201 members

PS:  I can predict the following senario:

	In 1998, Mr. Zhao Xiaowu and Mr. Wang Xiaoliu get their US citizenship
	after they got their bloody green cards in 1993, then, they go to
	Beijing to fool their countrymen by "You know, 1992, we worked hard
	to get the so called blood cards.  But as the matter of fact, the
 	Americans lost that political game, the real benficaries are not only 
	just we two.  You guys in China are beneficaries, too.  You see, I am
	bringing business opportunities to you from the US, now.".
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Wang2 Dao4-Yi4
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:18:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: yding@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu

He is graduated from Math, Wuhan University, Class 77.  Please e-mail if
you have information.  Thanks.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: again, i am looking forward to the law suit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:16:05 GMT

If you think that I am not qualified to meet you at the court house yet, 
please let me know so that I can create more powerful reasons for you to argue 
with me in the court.

Sincerely,

Shannon Yeh

PS:

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 ---|/--  ____|___    |   ==    |-|--|-|  ---|--- --------    /|---|  |====|
   /|--       |       |  |==|   | /\ /\|     /\      /|--    / |===| / \ \ \
  / |___\    \|      /\_______  |     \|    /  \    /\|____    |  \|


  | |        /___      ------      ----    ----  |  \ _|_   __\___  --- / --
 /  |__\      --         /|\    ||| |       /_\ ||  \__|__  |- ==   |=| ||||
             ----       / | \   ||||-|      -|- ||     /    |/ _|_  |/| |/||
                |__\      |         /\ .   __|_ \|  |//__\ //\____  /     |\

  ---/ --     -|=|- /___   -|=|- /___               __\__    -----   /_  _|_|_
  |=|||||      |-|  \  /    |-|  \  /  | |  \   \   /| |\     /|\    --  _|_|_
  |/||/||      |=|   \/     |=|   \/     |_____\    |=|=|    / | \   -|- |===|
  / |  |\ ,    |\|   /\     |\|   /\               ___|___\    |      |/ |___|


 _\_ ==|==   /          __|/__   \ |    ___|___   /\___  _\ _|_|_  _\  ---
   |___|___ /|-----|      |\   __\_|__     |     /||  |   | _|_|_   | --|--
   | |---|  _|_|_|_|_     | \      |     __|__    || \|   |/ | |    |/|===|
   |/|===|

 --   --    _\  ---      -----  |-|||    _/_/_ ___  ---  \   /_|_/__  -----
---- ----    | --|--      /|\   |||||     \/   | | --|--|-  /| |  \/  | ==
 /|\  /|\    |   |       |===|   /\\| ,   /\   |_|  /|  \/   ||-| /\  | ||
  |    |     |/|===| .                              \|  /\|  ||_|/  \/ / |_\

  /__|__     ---  \   _\  ---    // |==|   /_|__   _|__|_   /__ __|_\
 ____|___   --|--|-    |  /|\    /| |__|  ___|___   / |      -  ==|== 
  |----|     /|  \/    | / | \    |___|_   /  |    /| |---  -|-   \/
  |____| ,   \|  /\|  /\_______   | \\|   /   |__\  | |__\   |/   /\|

 

                         |---------|
                         |_________|
                 |----|  | |
                 |    |  | |     /
                 |____|  | |----/
                        /  |        \
                       /   |_________\

.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: Teaching in China:Info needed
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:07:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.233613.7498@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu) writes:
>Here is some addresses in Hangzhou, the heaven on earth:
>
>	Mr. Qi, Yunfang or Chariman of
>	Department of English
>	Zhejiang University
>	Hangzhou, PRC  300027 
>                      ^^^^^^

the postal code should be 310027

I guess Zhejiang University welcome talented foreigners working there.
But you can only expect salary like $100 or less per month. Don't be
discouraged. This sum is more than average in China and the university
usually will offer you some free accomodation.

>
>	English Department
>	Hangzhou University
>	Hangzhou, PRC
>
>	
>	English Department
>	Zhejiang Silk institute
>	Hangzhou, PRC
>
>	English Department
>	Zhejiang Technical Institute
>	Hangzhou, PRC
>
>	English Department
>	Zhejiang Agriculture University
>	Hangzhou, PRC
>
>You can send them your resume and ask a teaching job directly.  They
>would reply to you whether they accept you or not.
>Good luck!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hongbin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Hongbin Isaac Liu)
Subject: Questions about the Protection Bill
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 18:46:40 GMT

Hi everyone:
I'm new to this news group, and have some questions about the Protection
Bill posted in this network. What is bill about? Any reply would be
appreciated.   Thanks in advance.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 16:15:26 EDT
From: Jianxin Zhang <IO10257@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Yiqing Fan

I am looking for Yiqing Fan's address and e-mail number.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28069 soc.culture.taiwan:14475 soc.culture.hongkong:12665
From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:42:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct16.064259.21621
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct15.221345.18658@beaver.cs.washington.edu> fran@cs.washington.edu (Francis Pang) writes:
>>People may lost their dignity at one time, but as long as they respect 
>>themselves they will be dignified eventually, such as Israelis. The only 
>>hopeless people is that they thought they have their dignity, but in fact 
>>they are almost trash if they have ever compared with other people around
>>the world instead of closed their door at home.  
>>
>      you are not going to lose your dignity if you are just 
>      ruled by some other foreign countries. it is your intention
>      to give up your homeland and be ruled by other countries  
>      that costs your dignity. 
>      People of Israel never lose their dignity because they never
>      give up their land or nation voluntarily.   
>      Do you think most of the Chinese people thought they were better
>      off under Ching Dynasty? Neither did they prefer to be ruled
>      by Ching Dynasty, otherwise, the Ching Dynasty would not have
>      been overthrown.
>      Hong Kong people don't have a choice to select who they would
>      like to govern them. The dignity of Hong Kong people comes
>      from themselves and their achievement through the years. 

Well said, Fran. (I think I know you.  But how do you show up with
that email address?)

Talking about the Israeli.  When they were led out of Egypt by Moses,
some of them complained that they were "better off" under their
Egyptian masters than dying in the wilderness [Bible:Exodus].  These
same people might have said to Moses, "Bring your people to find the
promised land.  We would rather live without our dignity for a while
while you and your people will be looked like 'trash' in the desert by
the world.  Once you find the land, inform us so that we can go live
with you and have our dignity back." [chuan:jokes]

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.
From: D14YC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: help to subscribe
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:19:46 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hello everyone
I am an ABC(American Born Chinese) and I am looking to subscribe
to this newsgroup.
How Can I do that?
Who is the owner?
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From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: RED BLOODCARD SIGNED INTO GREENCARD
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:37:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: fcom.1992Oct9.153707.24460
Organization: University of Utah


**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4054      October 9, 1992
                Protection Act Signed Into Law
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


                 Protection Bill Signed Into Law
                 ===============================

     Five minutes ago, at 10:50 a.m. this morning, we learned
from Senator Gorton's office that the President had signed
S1216, the Chinese Student Protection Act. Then, we contacted
the White House and the news was confirmed.

     The HQ believes this victory is the result of the common efforts
of thousands of American friends as well as Chinese students and
scholars and wishes to thank all those who have worked hard in
the past week to promote the presidential signature.

     Please keep tunned for more information.


***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
From: mece2az@jane.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: looking forward to the law suit
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:02:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2ADCB3E6.21377@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes...
>Yes, i am ready technically and politically.  Please be reminded that the
>whole blood card bill process was INTENTIONALLY kept quiet by the US 
>government.  If you no longer can stay quiet, i certainly would be glad
>to help you.  it's on my behalf anyways.
> 
>BTW, some people I know are planning to sue the US government.  I am not
								   ^^^^^^	
>going to be part of it.
> 
>shannon
>-------
This is perhaps the first shsnnon's non-shannon like statement. After all, a
defeat is a defeat, even he understands it.
From: peng@cs.montana.edu (Liang Peng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Hello everyone
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:33:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Oct13.163339.29823
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

Hello everyone,

I want to say hello to everyone. I am from Shangahi and graduated from 786 of
USTC. You are welcome contact with me. You can send mail to me and that time we
can exchange information.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: >> CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:53:04 GMT

In article <Bw2Hpr.8pv@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>After I deleted my kill file, I found not much improvement in you, the green_card

  It's not by an incident though?  Are you going to announce what else
  you deleted?

>expert. :-) You mixed everything up in your following message. Your quotations were
>either incomplete when necessary, or out of reach. I reserve all of your message 
>here as a reference. :-(
>
>In article <1992Oct11.013452.28997@bnlux1.bnl.gov> ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct9.014502.3230@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct9.005150.945@news.iastate.edu> txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>>>>[...]
>>>>No comment on other stuffs, but the above argument looks like Qiang2 Ci2
>>>>Duo2 Li3. Where were the CSS in US NOW when Bush announced to sell 150 F-16
>>>>to Taiwan? Do they(or we) say a word about it? They(or we) made a lot of
>>
>>  What're your words about the sale?

  If you had read carefully, you could have saved you some embarrasses.
  I was asking the author whom one can easily idendify from the indentation
  (what're those '>'s for?) and the message id line.
  
  After all, it's not difficult to see that you hold the same points of
  view as the original author.


>[...]


>>  A liar is a liar, whether or not his/her lies are exposed.  And telling
>                                                                   ^^^^^^^
>>  one side of the story is not equal to lying. American people are not
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This is the only one point that I find necessay to response. Don't feel
>hurt please. You are in my kill file afterwards anyhow. :-(

  I'm just afraid your kill file will be "deleted" again.
 
>In some situations, telling one side of the story is absolutely lying.
>After two groups of people are playing dirty to each other, and have done some
>nasty things to each other, one of the two groups tell uninvolved and
>uninformed people all the disgusting things that the other part had done to 
>them. Nothing else is told. What do you think about the situation?

  What do you want me to think about you?  You certainly don't tell
  me everything about yourself.

[...]

>>>                                                                 The once
>>>diminished image for the Chinaman that was nasty, dubious, clumsy, 
>>>shameless and dishonest might be revived in America.
>>
>>  Not without campaigns like action 9201.  And seems you think "the Chinaman"
>>  deserved that image.  Not surprising.

  Now the chairman of action 9201 has taken action to revive the diminished
  image, as a member of committee of action 9201,  you probably have to
  do something to catch up.

>>-ping

-ping
From: pwu@tang.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS *******
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:25:57 GMT
In-reply-to: xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu's message of 12 Oct 92 18:49:40 GMT

Try Discover.  It pays your stamps.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:05:28 GMT

>Six million Chinese in Hong Kong and 20+ million Chinese in Taiwan can't be
>wrong. I mean, if 26+ million people can learn traditional characters, why
>can't the people in PRC. I heard that the simplified characters are simpler to
>learn. Does this mean that PRC citizens are actually too stupid to learn the
>traditional characters? I can't believe this!
>

There are 300+ million people speak English, will this imply that every
other people should and can learn English ? You learn what you like to
learn and other people will learn what they want to learn. What's the deal ?
Why those people who view themself as Chinese must 'force' other people to do
what they have done (mostly suffered) ?
Could you those 'wise' (or may be dumb) Chinese leave other people alone 
and let them decide what is good or easy for them to learn ?

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xinli@cs.utwente.nl (Xinli Hou)
Subject: Da Za Lan ? Da San Lan ? Da Shi le-r
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:48:35 GMT

In article <ldbg2nINN9n9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> it is written that

>In article <Bvv2J7.D8M@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>
>>The following is found in Xin1 Hua2 Zi4 Dian3 (Xinhua Dictionary) 
>>published by Shang1 Wu4 Yin4 Shu1 Guan3 in 1987 (6th ed. 10th print):
>                                           *******
>This proves it is unreliable. Please check Kang Xi dictionary or Zi Ku.
>>
>Also find out 1. Sillicon Valley (Si Gu as people call)
>	      2. Da Za Lan of Beijing (after 1949, it becaomes Da San Lan)
                 ~~~~~~~~~~                                    ~~~~~~~~~~
>              3. Zi Nan (it was Zi4 Nan3, now it is pronounced Zi3 Nan3)

To my knowledge, Beijing folks call that place "Da Shi Le_r", instead of Da San
Lan or Da Za Lan.

Can someone from Beijing confirm this?


Hou Xinli