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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN's Tuesday night game
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:15:58 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <2096@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>Gary Thorne mentioned during ESPN's telecast that Edmomnton was one
>tired road team after they trailed early in the game at St.Louis Arena.
>
>He also mentioned that Edmonton Oilers never have direct flights out
>of Edmonton and that they always change planes somewhere. It was kind
>of hard to believe that they would have to always change planes to get to
>Winnepeg or Vancouver or Calgary. The Oiler management should probably
>consider using charter flights instead of commercial if such situation
>exists.
>
>Can someone confirm this info about no direct flights out of Edmonton?

I'm not sure about the other cities, but I know there are no
direct non-stop flights between Edmonton and Calgary.  A
flight normally has stops at Edson, Red Deer, Banff, Canmore,
and Cochrane.  Normally, you have to change planes in Red
Deer.  Since there is usually only one flight out of Red
Deer, if you miss the connection, you have to spend the night.
If there is enough light, and the Oilers are in a real
hurry, they can take one of many dog sled services out of
Red Deer down to Calgary.

>
>Regards,
>
>-PPV Mark

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: jmbanocz@grad08.math.ncsu.edu (James M. Banoczi)
Subject: Re: How is Manon doing?
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:52:55 GMT

In article <Bx97uz.4Dv@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rwieler@ic17.umeeng writes:
>Lets be honest here, nothing personal against Manon,  but there is no way she should
>be playing at the level she is.  She only played 20 minutes of Junior hockey and let
>in three goals.   She has been elevated above her status only because she is a female,
>and an ok goalie.  There are probably hundreds of other goalies out there who could do
>a better job than her, who are currently unsigned.  This is simply a huge media hype
>for the Tampa Bay organization.
>
>On the other hand give her credit for taking advantage of a good oportunity. Like I 
>said before nothing against Manon personally,  but if she were a guy there`s not a 
>chance in hell she'd be signing any contracts.
>
>rich - ready to get flamed - wieler

Question:
     Why was she given a three year contract??

In the ECHL, I think it is the case that if you don't have a contract then you can't play
more than three years in the league.  Which implies that you don't need a contract to play.
If it's the same in the IHL then why was she given a three year contract given her
experience, or lack of in this case.

Could someone clear this up for me?

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From: jjungbau@yoda.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Northstars atop the Norris!
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 07:55:36 GMT


The Northstars lead the Norris division after Thursday's
3-0 win over the Islanders in Bloomington.  John Casey 
with the shutout, stopping 28 shots.  Dave Gagner had two 
goals.  Any other Stars fans out there at least mildly excited 
about this team?

Jim
Go Northstars, Vikings, Cougars!
From: vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Semenov
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:03:11 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan

What's the deal with this guy?  Why did Edmonton leave him
unprotected, and why was Tampa Bay willing to let him go for
so little?  Does he have a bad attitude, as one poster mentioned?

He seems to be working out well, so far.  Do he and Bure speak 
the same language, besides broken English?  (I'm assuming that
Larionov and Bure could do so as well).   If so, this might be a skill
of Semenov's that neither Edmonton nor Tampa Bay could adequately tap
into.

BTW, by what route did the Canucks get Capuano in the first place?
It might be interesting to see the net result of that trade. :)
 
--
Mike van der Velden             
s-mail: Distributed Systems Laboratory, Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd.
        1015, Kamikodanaka Nakahara-ku, Kawasaki 211, Japan
e-mail: vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp
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From: Tom_Gowdyk@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Gowdyk)
Subject: Re: Joe Theisman's predictions!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:04:37 GMT

Hmmmm, I didn't know that Miami, Denver, Houston and others even had NHL
hockey teams????

NFL Football, as exciting as watching paint dry or grass grow.  Yuch.

Tom Gowdyk
From: chin836@skdad.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Juneau (was Re: US Dream Team)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:22:42 -0600
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov7.010419.24700@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>:
>Juneau is Canadian; he was born in Pont-Rouge, Quebec.
>
>===============================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

When Juneau entered the engineering school at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute,
he couldn't speak English.  He proceeded to graduate from RPI in 1991 at age 23
with a degree in aeronautical engineering while excelling on the ice.  He is
currently working toward a master's degree in the same discipline.

Glenn
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From: renger@acs.ucalgary.ca (Ralph F. Renger)
Subject: Whereabouts of Various Players
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 18:50:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


If anyone can help me locate the following players it would be appreciated.

Where are the following players?

1.  Otrevel (Sp?) - last I heard with San Jose Sharks.
2.  Andy Brickley - last I heard with Boston.
3.  Claude Vilgrain - last I heard in Haiti.
4.  Dipietro - last I heard with the Habs.


As an aside, what is wrong with Tatarinov?

-- 
Ralph Renger, Ph.D.                           (403) 249-4733
Sports Information Group
Suite 1, 1927 - 35 St. S.W.
Calgary, Alberta
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From: 8800740@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARCO RUEST)
Subject: re: wayne gretzky
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:32:47 GMT

John Olerud played in the World Series.
From: s666@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Where is Joe Mullen?
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:58:20 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

    Where has Joe Mullen gone. The last I heard he played for the Pens
last year. Now, his name doesn't seem to turn up anywhere.

Sean Dzafovic
Dalhousie University

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From: stud7b43@bmerh925.bnr.ca (Mike Squance)
Subject: Re: Best Lines?
Reply-To: newuser@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:30:47 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.183155.9934@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
|> One of my pals was boasting that the Sandstrom line in LA was
|> the 4th best line in hockey.
|> 
|> Given that Pittsburgh has the best two (heh heh), what would be
|> some possible 3rd's?
|> 
	LaFontaine's line in Buffalo...
	Adams - Semenov - Bure in Vancouver could turn out to be dynamite...

|> -- 
|> +===================================================================+
|> | Rick Casares			            Silicon Graphics        |	
|> | cubfan@wrigley.corp.sgi.com		    2011 N. Shoreline Blvd  |
|> | "Just wait till next year."               Mountain View, CA 94039 |
|> +===================================================================+
		 		
	Mike.
From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kevin Stevens' Status????
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:11:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1def3mINNhji@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:
>Can someone please fill me in on the severity of Stevens' knee strain?  Is he
>expected to miss any of the weekend games?  Any info would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>From someone whose hockey pool chances die a miserable death with Stevens ...

Better get some hyperalimentation for your hockey pool.  Stevens
underwent minor arthroscopic surgery today and is expected to miss
3-4 weeks.  Nothing terribly serious, but it will slow down the
offensive machine somewhat.  Luckily, the Pens now have Joey
Mullen starting to round into game shape.

rick
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: +/- rating
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:22:02 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov4.222240.21133@walter.bellcore.com>, lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
> Could someone please tell me what the +/- rating is in hockey (how it is 
> determined, what does it measure).

Plus/minus is a rating of how many goals for and against a player has been on 
the ice for. Every time a team scores an even-strength goal, all the players 
on the ice for that team receive a plus-1. All the players on the ice for the
other team get a minus-1. (Goaltenders are the only exceptions).

Powerplay goals do not count in plus-minus, but shorthanded goals do. 

What does it measure? Well, it's not a very accurate barometer for much of
anything, since obviously players on poor teams that give up lots of goals are
going to have much worse plus-minus ratings than players on good teams that
score more than they allow. It is basically useful only for comparing players
on the same team.

								Alan
From: chin836@skdad.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Scoring levels (was Re: Sharks lose to Kings 11-4)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:42:54 -0600
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <B9e1TB4w165w@netlink.cts.com>:
>Does it seem like scoring has returned to 1982 levels? Didnt someone beat 
>the Senators 13-3? It'd be interesting to calc the avg goals per game...
>--                    
>INTERNET:  jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold)

The average number of goals per game so far is between 7.5 and 7.6.  The season
in which Gretzky set his scoring record of 215 points in 80 games, 1985-86,
the average was 7.94.

Glenn
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From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Rookies
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:28:25 GMT

In article <jggoslin.721530984@vela>, jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Whiplash Smile) writes:
> tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst) writes:
>>Interesting that all of the talk about the Calder is centered around Joe
>>Juneau and le grand Eric.... Especially since Teemu Selanne has proven
>>himself to be the most worthy of the three so far.
> Well I'll agree there.  Selanne is the best of the rookies, but Juneau
> is not far behind.  If the Bruins get further than the Jets, look for
> a serious contention from Juneau in the Calder race...

  I think that Selanne has a very small chance to win the Calder.
  Maybe if he could play for some better team? I have seen here some
  speculations on the best lines... and I haven't seen anybody suggesting
  some line in the Jets. This is what I mean: let's say that the line
  where Teemu now playes scores 120 points totally. If Teemu gets 50%
  of those 120 points his score will be 60 points. But if he played
  for a more successful team, it could be like this: his line totals
  200 points and if Teemu's share is 40% he would end up to 80 points!!

  Teemu has quite a many power play goals - so what? I think that all
  goals are 'valuable' - especially the winning ones... Maybe Teemu
  has more pp time than the others? Or is it so, that Juneau and Lindros
  never have power play chances??

  However - don't missunderstand me! I have very great respect for Juneau
  and Lindros. Actually they are my favourites... And I must say that Teemu
  has done it better than I expected. If he only could keep it up!

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> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |  "Only the dead see the end of war."     |        Whiplash Smile    	|
> |  "Conformity is the cradle of boredom."  |     BUBBA   Jeff Goslin	|
> |=======================================================================|
> |		       jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu       	        |
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

 / Hannu 
   Tampere - Finland
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Just wondering about Clinton
Date: 4 Nov 1992 23:25:20 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
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Seeing as Bill Clinton won the election, what are the chances he can
recognize Mario Lemieux?

Just my thoughts,
Tony
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:51:14 -0500 
From: Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Dan Quinn arrested


Dan Quinn has been arrested for sexual misconduct with an 18 year old
girl.  He is in jail as I write this.  The incident reportedly happened
last night at the Bloomington Marriot.  There is supposed to be a news
conference tonight about this incident.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs125c51@dcl-nxt31.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: Re: Tuesday's (Nov. 10) game of the night!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:45:46 GMT

In article <92315.145044RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>  writes:
> Oilers at Blues.  Battle of the strugglers.  Oilers coming on, though,  after
> a bad start.  Blues looking for any kind of spark.  ESPN didn't figure on
> bad starts for both these teams.  Definitely not the best game of the night  
to
> televise.
>


Ah, but it was a great game to televise!!! 
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From: hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U)
Subject: Ruzicka Question
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:57:00 GMT

Can anyone enlighten me upon Vladimir Ruzicka's career.  I think he was
traded directly from Edmonton to Boston for Greg Hawgood??.  However, my
friend insists that he made a stop in Pittspurgh before going to the Bruins.
Does anyone know the correct route he took to Boston from Edmonton, and the
player(s) involved in the deal. 

Thanks,



Go Thunder Bay Thunderhawks,


Len Hunt...............................hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Two assists per goal
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:59:41 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Nov3.160902.18677@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> stace@pisa27.austin.ibm.com (Stacey Ross) writes:

>The idea of crediting a person who assists the assister is a little
>ridiculous considering these arguments, since the second assister may be
>almost completely removed from the play. As the stat currently exists,
>however, he gains equal credit for the assist. This grants points (the
>sum of goals, assists, and second assists) to someone who may not
>deserve them entirely. I shudder to think how many fewer the leading
>point scorers (Gretzky, Lemieux, etc.) would have if this stat were
>removed, or more reasonably, placed in a second category.

I am afraid that you have missed the point here. In hockey it is quite
often so that the 'chain reaction' leading to a goal starts already one
or two steps before the ultimate shot into the goal. It is not difficult
to see that the genius or the mastermind of the goal is one or two passes
away from the shot. Here is of course some leeway to the judgment and
so far the Canadian hockey culture has been in this respect superior to
the European, that there are more often credit given to the both persons
involved in the playmaking.

>Another option would be to credit the second assister with a fraction of
>an assist. For instance, the first assister would be granted an assist
>while the second assister would receive 1/2 of an assist. This would add
>a little more relevance, in my eyes, to the statistic of the assist.

This would make it complicated. Just for the case of argument I would
say that it demands more brain to mastermind a two pass attack than
to mastermind the one pass attack. The goal scorers get lots of credit,
puplicity and hype. Sometimes the playmaker removes with a nifty move 
some defensemen and even the goalie from their positions and the scorer
just pushes the puck into an empty net. Would in not be correct to give
him credit only for half a goal?

>I'm certain I'm not the only one who feels this way. Are there any
>concurrent opinions? Any proponents?

Anybody appreciating brains will support the credit given to the 
playmakers. The scorers will anyway have an advantage, if the points
are tied the goalscorer wins.


>===============================================================================
>"The question is not does love exist, but when she leaves, where she goes"
>                                             - David Lee Roth
>                Stace
>stace%cdc017.ibmoto.com@aimgate.sps.mot.com

- Lauri Tarkkonen
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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Flames/Canucks Game?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:41:40 GMT

What happened in the Flames game against Vancouver last night? My
paper came out too early to have a result. Thanks.
                                                            Vladimir
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From: hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:22:53 GMT

   In partial answer to Paul Botts' questions about a U.S. dream team for
the 1994 Winter Olympics, I have provided a list of AMERICAN BORN, i.e., it
does not include players like Brett Hull.  Clearly the list below is not
exhaustive, and I have probably overlooked some players out there.  As well,
I only listed players who may play, as I can not predict who will be
on the final roster.  Clearly, evidence from the Canada Cup has indicated
that the teams should have the right chemistry, and should not neccessarily
be an All Star team.  How else could one explain the inclusion of players
like Dirk Graham and Shayne Corson on the Canadian team with other players
like Adam Oates and Steve Yzerman not playing at all.

Well here goes the list

Centre

Pat LaFontaine
Jeremy Roenick
Mike Modano
Craig Janney
Ed Olczyk
Jimmy Carson
Joel Otto
Bob Carpenter
Darren Turcotte

Wingers

Kevin Stevens
Joey Mullen
Brian Mullen
Tony Amonte
Bob Sweeney
Stephen Leach
Dave Christian
Phil Borque
Kelly Miller
Tom Chorske

Defense

Chris Chelios
Kevin Hatcher
Derian Hatcher
Brian Leetch
Phil Housley
Gary "Cheap Shot" Suter
Mark Howe
Jeff Norton
Al Iafrate
Mathieu Schneider

Goaltenders

Mike Richter
John Vanbiesbrouck
Chris Terreri
Tom Barrasso
Jon Casey

The American team should contend for a medal, as they finished second in the
last Canada Cup.  The team is also solid up the middle, so don't be
surprised to see several centremen switch to the wings.  In fact, the
Americans have probably the second best centres in the world, next to
Canada.  The U.S. also has the best defensemen corp of any other team that
would be competing.  At Goaltending the Americans are very well off with the
second best goaltender in the world, i.e., Mike Richter.  The best goalie in
the world is Canada's Bill Ranford, and I don't care what the stats say
about him.  The American team does have problems with the depth of their wingers
, and I would venture to say many other countries would be ahead of them in
this position.

If the U.S. finds some breaks, it wouldn't be out of the question for them
to bring back gold.  Clearly they would not be favoured to do so, but in
sudden death game situations anything could happen; how else could Germany
take Canada to overtime/shootout in the last Olympics.

However, I would really doubt if the NHL is going to shut down for three
weeks to allow the players the opportunity to play in the Olympics.


GO ISLES,

Len Hunt .....................................hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca


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From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: The Senators finish first!!!  (Sort of...)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:59:03 GMT

From article <1992Nov12.230448.11180@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, by golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy):
> In article <9211121956.AA28975@makwa.USask.ca> chin836@skdad.usask.ca writes:
>>The Cenators can sell off the hype that is sure to surround Alexandre Daigle, a
>>17-year-old super-prospect in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, come next
>>spring.  Daigle is on pace to score about 260-270 points over a full season,
>>which he is unlikely to play because of the World Juniors this winter.  This
>>leads me to the question:  How did Mario play 70 games in the 1983-84 QMJHL
>>season?  I guess he didn't play in the World Juniors that winter.
>>
> 
> Whose to say Daigle won't pull a Lindros...can you see these Ottawa
> clowns forking over lets say half of Lindros's salary per year to
> sign Daigle...say $1.5 mil per year or so...these guys who were too cheap
> to sign minor league free agents like Rob Zamuner, Chris Kontos, etc.,
> etc...
> 
> If you were a top junior, looking at the Senator organization, would
> you want to play there?                         

In Daigle's case, it may not necessarily be that he doesn't want to play
for Ottawa so much as he may want to play for Quebec or Montreal.

This situation peaks my interest in that Quebec is fairly dripping trying
to obtain the rights to Daigle. Seems to me Ottawa could do very well
by trading Daigle to Quebec,maybe they could get all the players Philly
sent over to Quebec for Lindros? Then again they may even be able to
get more if they were able to play Quebec off against Montreal and vise
versa.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		              (The Bum rules!!!)
From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Semenov Wingers Thriving
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:28:19 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

> In two games after being aquired by the Canucks last week from the Tampa Bay
> Lightning, the 30-year-old Russian has four assists. But perhaps more impor-
> tantly his new linemates have flourished - left winger Greg Adams has 2-2-4
> in the span and right wing Pavel Bure has 2-1-3 - and Semenov's defensive
> play has been exemplary.
> 

Now - left winger Greg Adams has 2-5-7 in the span and right wing Pavel Bure 
has 4-1-5 

I would like to see Ward on that line in time.  He has great anticipation,
spatial sense, and passing skills.  As he adjusts he gets better and better.
If he gets a chance to play with some of the better players the other top
rookies in the league may start looking over their shoulders.

- and Semenov's defensive play has been exemplary.  which is one of the reasons
  Quinn went after him.


Ron
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA