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From: mlord@bmers63.bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: How is FrameMaker under OS/2?
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 22:25:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.042652.26256@odetics.com> frank@odetics.com (Frank Merrow) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I do not have an OS/2 system up yet, but I am being gently pushed
>in that direction.  I asked the FrameMaker folks if my MS-Windows
>version would run under OS/2.  The official answer is "not reliably".
>Then I noticed the one byte patch in the OS/2 FAQ (thank you
>Tim).  I less trusting individual might think that FrameMaker had
>deliberatly put an OS/2 incompatable instruction in the code, but I
>would never think such a thing!
>
>At any rate, I was wondering if anyone had actually attempted the
>patch and how well FrameMaker then runs under OS/2.  Also, once
>patched will the MAKER.EXE file still run under MS-Windows?  FrameMaker
>is the ONE program that is holding me to MS-windows.

As the orginator of said patch, though I have never acknowledged it,
perhaps I ought to comment..

As near as I can tell, on my standalone 486 system (ie. no LAN products),
it works as well as it did under DOS+WINDOWS.  No differences that I can see.
Editing, templates, fonts, printing, etc.. all work just peachy.  Note that
FrameMaker prefers Windows 3.1 for the truetype fonts, but it works just fine
under windows 3.0.. some font names differ, that's all.

The patched file works just fine under DOS+WINDOWS as well, so long as you
ensure that you only try it in Windows Enhanced mode, never "standard" or "real"
modes (the patch simply removes the check for those).  Under OS/2, either 
standard mode or (beta 2.1) Enhanced mode are fine.
From: William.Todd@f347.n109.z1.fidonet.org (William Todd)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: MathCad anyone?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:10:00 -0500

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|TL> 1) is it worth $79.00(I can't imagine many major packages that would   |
|TL> not be    worth $79.00)                                                |
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   It probably is worth $79, but there was a story in the paper a
couple of weeks ago that related the story of a high school that
got offers of $79, $ 59 and $49 for Mathcad. Mathcad was somewhat
embaressed.

|TL> 2) will in run in winos2 o.k.                                          |
|TL>                                                                        |
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It is a Windows 3.1 program. Needs 2.1

|TL> 3) is there any rumors of a version for os/2                           |
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???

|TL> 4) any other info you might have.                                      |
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After a couple of weeks they will send you a catalof offering
add-in packages (electrical engineering, finance, etc.) that will
make a good package better.

However, when all is said and done - its a good program.
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From: rkimmel@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Kimmel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Commercial comm programs for OS/2
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:09:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
 of memory, well, then thaat's going to cause a problem too.
 Sorry, that's just the way it is.  don't except Windows NT to be better, that
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From: bewhite@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (MacroMan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: News on 2.1 Release
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:45:23 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

>In article <C17LxL.BA7@rice.edu> amitp@owlnet.rice.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Jan20.160446.25054@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, gchalk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Chalk) writes:
>>|> I would like to remind everybody that is complaning that there might be
>>|> (and most likely will be) a charge for the upgrade to OS/2 2.1
>>|> that yesterday (1/19/93) IBM declared 4th quarted\r losses of
>>|> over $5,000,000,000.00.....yup thats % billion dollars for
>>
>>I read somewhere that this is the biggest loss any company has ever
>>had in a quarter...   :(

>This is misleading.  Personal systems (makers of PS/n's, and OS/2) has
>turned a significant profit, and is HIRING new employees.  Let's not
>lump the mainframe division (and other groups) losses in with the
>rest, OK?

  I have also heard that these $5billion losses declared by IBM
have MUCH to do with new government regulations.  Something about
declaring employee retirement costs now instead of at retirement,
and hence, a lump of such costs which will never show up again.
  Either way, no need to panic folks, IBM isn't going ANWHERE
(except up?).
-- 
  Bruce White(bewhite@matt.ksu.ksu.edu)
  "You're only young once, but you can be
   immature for the rest of your life."
From: ucgadkw@ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: POP3 client wanted
Keywords: POP3 TCPIP
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:04:26 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

aml4@po.cwru.edu (Adam M. Lambert) writes:


>Howdy - I am running OS/2 2.0 GA+SP, and IBM TCP/IP.... We use a POP3 server
>to handle email around here, and right now the only option I seem to have is 
>to Boot-manager DOS to run Popmail/PC (A dos PC/TCP packet driver app)...

>I would really like to be able to accomplish this with OS/2, but since 
>loading the NDIS stack w/ IBM's TCPIP package (for obvious reasons) I can't 
>run it from a DOS box...

Nupop is a DOS pop3 client which runs okay in an OS/2 window.

Dominik
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: TCP/IP and SLIP
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:58:30 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.apps
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hello:

Could somebody please point me toward an FTP site where I can get a
something to allow my 386 under OS/2 to do SLIP with the university
computer over standard phone lines?

Preferably (very preferably) OS/2 specific, but as I currently don't
have to wooden nickels to rub together even a DOS or Windows version
would be okay -- they can be run under OS/2 anyway. :^)

Thanks in advance.

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| I collect postcards!  If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. |
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Borland C++ 3.1: How to make it work under OS/2?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:10:52 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1993Jan26.073326.188@news.columbia.edu> gaw2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gang Wu) writes:
>I have OS/2 2.1 beta installed on my 486-33 machine. I was trying to install
>Borland C++ 3.1 without the Window support. The installation was fine. But
>somehow the BC.EXE just doesn't work. Can someone who has been successfully
>using Borland C++ under OS/2 give me some hints? Thanks in advance,

This information should be in your OS/2 README file (in the root
directory).  (Hint: change DPMI from AUTO to ENABLED.)

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of Chicago, 60637       | [Post to ONE newsgroup only AFTER reading the List.]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: OS/2 Beeping
From: dcica@eis.calstate.edu (Doug Cica)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:47:16 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

I've installed OS/2 2.1 beta on my system and there's a problem.  When I
run Qmodem or Xtree gold (or any DOS aps), it beeps at me. I've tried
turning the warning beep off, which does nothing.

What could be causing this?

I have installed:
SIO comm drivers
Orchid 1280 svga drivers.

any help would be appreciated.  Please mail replies to: dcica@eis.calstate.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: jgleiszb@Mathematik.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Joerg Gleiszberg)
Subject: AVGA2 video card driver for OS/2 2.0 wanted
Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:23:05 GMT

Who has got ( or knows where to find ) a driver for OS/2 2.0 for the 
AVGA2 videocard ( VESA compatible ?? ) ?  Or: Can I use the driver for
this card for OS/2 1.2 ?
Answers please to  Joerg.Gleiszberg@Mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de
Thanks in advance. 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: alen@crash.cts.com (Alen Shapiro)
Subject: IBM OS/2 TCP-IP uses DOS (low) memory? HELP ME PLEASE!!
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:39:36 GMT
Summary: I need telnet under OS/2 and need to run DOS progs larger than 360k?
Keywords: TCP-IP DOS OS/2 memory

I'm in a bind...

I have OS/2 v1.33 (can't use 2.0 due to lack of suitable device drivers)
I have an application that runs on a LAN (IBM Adaptor card) under OS/2
and talks with another application on DOS (can't put the DOS app. on
OS/2 due to lack of device drivers!!)

The OS/2 side needs to open a telnet session with a remote host. I have
IBMs TCP-IP (latest release = 2.1.1 (or thereabouts)).

The problem is that IBMs TCP-IP uses DOS memory for its 2 drivers IFNET
and INET. Each driver uses 100k and another 140k seems to be unavailable
to DOS (even with a fairly cut-down CONFIG.SYS). With 340k out of 640k
unavailable to DOS, I can't run my 360k DOS application.

QUESTIONS:
1) Why is 140k out of 640k unavailable to DOS with even a minimal
   CONFIG.SYS (i.e. no TCP-IP or LAN drivers)? ... Can this be changed?
   (RMSIZE is = 640 in CONFIG.SYS)
2) Can the TCP-IP drivers be persuaded to load high and thus be unavailable
   to DOS (and not use its memory) (I only need telnet from OS/2)?
3) Are there any TCP-IP packages (commercial or not) that either take a
   small chunk of DOS memory or none at all?
4) Are there utilities that will show me which drivers are using how much
   memory?

Please help me...I'm in a maze of twisty passages all alike!!

--alen
Please email to
	alen@crash.cts.com
I'll summarize for the net.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: QmodemPro and OS/2 Question.
From: sagan@netcom.com (Mike May)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:01:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


  The back cover of the QmodemPro box, says that QmodemPro will work with
OS/2 as a DOS app.  All well and that it will work, But how WELL?  The
4.5TD version pegs the CPU load, and cannot x-fer in the backgroud. 
I am using SIO/VSIO, and have changed the IDLE_* settings, but every
time the disk is accessed, QModem will get an Error in the x-fer, and
cannot continue.  PMComm works fine in the background, so I know it can
be done on my Machine.  So My question is:  Is QmodemPro mulittasking 
aware like Telemate v4.00 is??  I looked on there BBS, but you can't
access the QmodemPro board unless your a registerd user?!?  So, if
anyone has any info, it's greatly appreciated...  
-- 
_-_-   Mike May             |  "Now, it's either I'm dead and I haven't -_-_
                            |   done anything that I want, or I'm still
-_-_   sagan@netcom.com     |   alive and there's nothin I want to do." _-_-
From: fali@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Fathei Ali)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: tex previewers
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:08:05 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

Recently, I've downloaded the Emtex package from Hobbes. 
Does anobody know whether any os/2 previewers (PM ?) has
been written ? if so, where could be located ?
Thanks for the help.
	 
	 Fathei Ali
    Department of Chemistry
    University of Toronto
    fali@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: News on 2.1 Release
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:26:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <hatton.727578160@cgl.ucsf.edu> hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes:
>
>Certainly compared to whatever I paid for DOS5 to be bundled with the
>system, then the additional for Windows, estimated total $100, I think OS2
>has been extremely good value. Complaining about an additional charge for
>the final 2.1 release seems churlish, especially if it is going towards
>the MS coffers.

Exactly the opposite, my friend.  Forgive me if I'm understanding
"churlish" with a reversed meaning, but I wouldn't really care (much)
if IBM needed funds to keep OS/2 going and decided to charge for the
upgrade.  But Microsoft, who has actively chosen to block OS/2
whenever possible should not get a single penny off of it's sales.
It's completely unethical, and should be illegal, for a company to
make a profit off of a product they're trying to destroy.  I object to
"paying the enemy" more than the actual dollar amount.

To put it another way, if IBM decided they couldn't afford free
upgrades and wanted to charge $50, I'd grumble, but I'd understand and
agree with them.  But if Microsoft wants even $1 for it, I'd complain
bitterly.  And I am.
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From: opheys@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Thomas "Sledge" Opheys)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Putting 2.1 onto another partition
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:27:55 GMT
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.fmi.uni-passau.de

In article <JEFF.93Jan19133601@claw.clearpoint.com> jeff@claw.clearpoint.com writes:
>I would like to be able to install the 2.1 beta onto a 400 MB
>partition on my second hard-disk.  Can I add this to the boot manager
>and boot from the second (SCSI) disk instead of the first (IDE) disk.
>
>My configuration is:
>	33 MHz '386 with 16 MB memory
>	212 MB Western Digital "Piranna" IDE drive.
>		80 MB is FAT with DOS, the rest is HPFS with OS/2 2.0
>	Adaptec 1520 SCSI controller (bios disabled)
>	1.2 GB Fujitsu M2266H with 400 MB in HPFS (I haven't touched
>		the rest of the drive yet, but I have plans for it for
>		later)

No problem to install OS/2 2.1 onto a system already running 2.0.
No problem with the boot manager.

But be careful when you use one of the OS/2 versions to work on the
partition of the other one. What happened to me was: Under 2.1, I
tried to display my 2.0 partition's OS!2 2.0 Desktop hierarchy (in
expectation to see my 2.0 desktop :-( ), using the Drives object.
No icons were displayed, so I exited the icon view of Drives (without
doing anything, arrange or so). That was eough to confuse all 2.0
folders I touched with 2.1 Drives: When I booted 2.0, my Desktop and
my Command Prompts icons were in a *great* disorder. Only the object and
window positions were affected, so a simple rearrange did it. No harm,
but better stay away from doing this too often...

Thomas
-- 
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opheys@eva.fmi.uni-passau.de      "Hasse ma ne bloede Signature?"
Franz-Stockbauer-Weg 1/88
W-8390 Passau, Germany
From: umrice02@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Stephen Rice)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Shareware BBS for OS/2 2.0?
Summary: Looking for such a package.
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:41:27 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

Hi.  I'm looking for a BBS package that a friend has heard about for, 
specifically, OS/2 Version 2.0 and, specifically, shareware or freeware.

Does anyone have any idea about
	a)	What is this package called.
	b)	If such a package exists, where can I ftp or <* shudder *>
		download it from?

Any help anyone can provide would be much appreciated.

	- Steve
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umrice02@ccu.umanitoba.ca                 "What a depressingly stupid machine."
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.lang.pascal
From: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena)
Subject: Re: News on 2.1 Release with TurboVision
Organization: Crop Science Dept., NCSU, Raleigh, NC 27695-7620
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:52:13 GMT

In article <ppollet.183.728068654@cismibm.univ-lyon1.fr> ppollet@cismibm.univ-lyon1.fr (Patrick POLLET) writes:
>
>>For those people with the annoying TurboVision under Os/2 bug that causes
>>the DOS session to crash when running a TurboVision program from the editor
>>you may like to know this is FIXED in the 2.1 release, also, you can run
>>DOS programs from the Windows editor.
>
>>-- 
>  I knew I should have refrain myself of rushing to get BP7 . I should
>have had a lesson with TP 6.00 !!! many bugs of Tvision were corrected
>in TP 6.01 !!! We never learn !!!!
>
>   How do we get that update ??  Borland E-mail will do ?
>ppollet@cismibm.univ-lyon1.fr (Patrick POLLET)
>--------------------------------------------------------
>Dr Patrick L.Pollet

I don't use OS/2, but the way I interpret what the first poster is saying:
the version 2.1 of OS/2 correctes the bug......
Steve
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: jksimmer@uncc.edu (Jr Simmerman, John K)
Subject: Re: Ultima Underworld II, PAS16, & os2
Reply-To: jksimmer@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:38:20 GMT


In article 1jooifINNsru@shelley.u.washington.edu, rkimmel@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Kimmel) writes:
>In article <C181yD.26x@unccsun.uncc.edu> jksimmer@uncc.edu writes:
>>
>>Has anyone UW2 to work under os2 with a pas16 yet. If so do your sounds (foot steps, combat, etc) work.  I can get the sounds to work but only for a minute or so then nothing. I have talked to origin and they said they don't support os2 or the
>>pas16. 
>>
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>| John Simmerman Jr.                    |	    U N C C 		|
>>| College of Engineering UNCC           |_______________________________|
>>| Smith 345                             | jksimmer@mosaic.uncc.edu      |
>>| Charlotte, NC  28213  		| (704) 547-3150                |
>>|_______________________________________|_______________________________|
>>	
>
>UW2 worked fine for me under os/2, with a soundblaster pro. but from your post
>you have your answer, they don't SUPPORT the pas16.  If they don't, then
>why would it work under os/2?
>
>


do the sound effects not just the music work with your sbpro. if so what are your dos
settings.

From: Arylnn.Poczynek@ttlg.UUCP (Arylnn Poczynek)
Sender: postmaster@ttlg.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: WordPerfect & OS2
Date: 23 Jan 93  18:28:00 mst

In a message to ALL <01-18-93 02:20>, RICHARD J. WYBLE writes:

 RJ> The following information is from WPCorp's customer support
 RJ> bulletin board. Please note the lack of specificity. ...
 RJ> The WP for OS/2 will probably not be available until about the
 RJ> middle of this year (this is my personal guess).  When it does
 RJ> come out, it will be the equivalent of WP 6.0 for DOS and
 RJ> Windows. ...
 RJ> The new WP for OS/2 will have a version number of 6.0.  I
 RJ> imagine that it will be graphical and have a button bar, but
 RJ> there really isn't anyway to find out any details right now.

     Alas, this directly contradicts what Corportate Communications
has said. Maybe I'll find out more Monday when I talk with our Area
Manager. Maybe another call to C.C. to confirm as well. I can note
that their BBS is notorious for its lack of support from the rest of
WPCorp, especially PC Testing.    ___
 * PMQWK 1.00b5 *


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: A report on applet Fax/PM
From: ghdai@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:23:13 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

I tried Fax/PM, the new applet included in OS/2 2.1 beta, after applying
a total reformat/reinstall.  With the clean 2.1 beta, I have been able to
fax out from WordPerfect (windoze version) by simply printing to the Fax/PM
printer driver/port, after setting up following the instruction in the
README file.  You can use ATM fonts, TT fonts, and the quality of the fax
received is just as good as that of a 200 dpi version of what one can expect
and get from a 300 dpi Laserprinter.  It's great!  This means that what
the receiver will see is just what you see on the screen, layout, fonts, and
any graphics.  Ah, I am VERY happy with this little applet.

My previous posting about Fax/PM should be corrected!

Problem is: whenever Fax/PM used the fax/modem, it seems that the fax/modem
port is no longer available for other comm programs, even if after closing
Fax/PM.  There are something remain in the memory, blocking the whole system,
slowing it down, and preventing other comm apps from accessing the modem
port.

Guohuan H. Dai/2
-- 
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From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: News on 2.1 Release
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:42:34 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca

mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

]In article <1993Jan20.160446.25054@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gchalk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Chalk) writes:
]>that yesterday (1/19/93) IBM declared 4th quarted\r losses of
]>over $5,000,000,000.00.....yup thats % billion dollars for

]The vast majority of which was related to one-time charges incurred
]due to early retirement and various other downsizing moves.
 
 And thier first ever operating loss as well