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From: gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Re: Sergei Fedorov
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:28:17 GMT

In article <1enf3cINNbok@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.200831.26331@netcom.com> rnoia@netcom.com (Roger F. Noia) writes:
>>Any fans out there of the best former Soviet player in the NHL (with all
>>due respect to Bure, Mogilny, and Nemchinov)?  I live in California, so I
>>don't get much news about Sergei and the wings.  Would love to talk to any
>>fans of number 91.
> 
> I don't know about you but....
> Detroit ain't doing that bad this year. Yet Fedorov doesn't seem to be
> clicking. He's not playing anywhere near his potential. Except for a few
> (very few), all his goals this year has been easy ones and he's only had
> 7 or so so far. Are we half way through the seaon yet? :)
> Anyways, remember last year? This kid can score/play....
> whenever he comes back.
> 
> Thomas.
> 
	From what I understand it is not Fedorov's play that is lacking it
is his ice-time.  With proven 50 goal scorers, Cicerelli, Yzerman, and Carson
there is not much time left for Fedorov to put the puck in the net.  However,
we all know that he can do it.  I think there is even another player on Detroit
that has had a 50 goal season, I am not quite sure who it is but I am sure
there is another.  In fact Detroit is the only team in the NHL to have four
former 50 goal scorers.

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From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON)
Subject: FUHR TRADE RUMORS
Originator: cs902043@t02.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:45:29 GMT


As everyone probably knows, with the great play by Felix Potvin, the rumor has started up in full gear:

So far I have heard him going to five different teams:
	Detroit, Hartford, Buffalo, NYIslanders and Edmonton.

My two cents and what I have heard:

Detroit: Two possibilities
	     1) Fuhr and Zezel for Yzerman and Primeau
		- I don't think either team would deal with a division rival, and
		  I don't feel Detroit will move Yzerman
	     2) Fuhr and Ellet for Yzerman, Kozlov and a defenseman
		- same reasons as rumour 1
	 Conclusion: If anything happens between these teams (which I doubt will)
		     it would be more like Fuhr for Carson and Kozlov.
Hartford: 1) Fuhr for Cullen and Zalapski
	     - Hartford will not move a scorer (who they need) for a goalie (who
	       they don't - Sean Burke)
	 Conclusion: Hartford won't move for Fuhr - when they are not a contender,
		     and Fuhr will be retired when they are one.
Buffalo: I have not heard a concrete rumour, but supposedly Buffalo is the most
	 likely candidate.  They need the goalie badly, but will have to give up a
	 front line player in return, and I don't think they will give up Mogilny
	 or Hawarchuk.
	 Conclusion: Good possibility when Buffalo reaches deadline realizing they
		     have no goalie for playoff run.
NYIslanders: Not gonna happen - Isles won't move Turgeon and that's what Leafs
	     want.
	 Conclusion: If anything happens it will involve anyone but Turgeon 
		     (draft picks and europeans).
Edmonton: 1) Fuhr, Augusta, draft pick for Murphy and Manson.
	     - Why would Edmonton need Fuhr when they have 3 good goalies already
	       (Ranford, Tugnutt and Ing), and why would they deal for a player
	       they dealt)
	 Conclusion: Fuhr won't go to Edmonton but Murphy and Manson might still
		     be moving to Toronto.


CONCLUSION: Toronto will most likely deal with Buffalo, and IMHO they might even
	    make a three way deal involving Manson and Murphy coming to Toronto.

Shawn
From: hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Mario a role model for kids!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:13:52 GMT
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

Now, let's not forget Susan Dart and -Rob's allegation that Mario is a great
role model for kids! I guess we now know why he is the only athlete in the
world who deserves more than $1 Million a year. Oh Mario you're so good...
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: This week's ESPN telecast
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:20:14 GMT

nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>
>Hopefully,the TV schedule for the second half of the season will reflect
>current standings(i.e. More Montreal,Bruins,Quebec,LA,Vancouver) and
>some double-headers for a change.

What's really dumb is that there have been and will be some really
good games for which there's no scheduling conflict with any local
coverage in the U.S.  Nice going, ESPN.

gld
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From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: Jari Kurri Reborn?
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:43:53 PST

In article <1992Nov12.162737.6631@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, on 12 Nov 1992 16:27:37 GMT,
coop4y44@bnr.ca (Lorraine Galvin) writes:

>
>So what's with Jarri Kurri this year?  His production had trailed off
>considerably in his last few seasons with Edmonton, and his return to the NHL
>with the Kings last (?) season was less than sensational, but this season he
>seems to be playing like a man (re-)possessed!
>
>He appears to be playing with Robitaille and Sandstrom, and all three
>are on a tear.  Anyone in LA care to comment on Kurri's, and LA's, transformation?
>
Just found this newsgroup...

Jari Kurri is off to a great start this year after an off-year last
season.  He is doing it all...scoring goals, setting up other goals,
forechecking and backchecking...he's playing fantastic two-way hockey.

Why the change?  I think part of it is due to adjusting to being back
in the NHL, but I think mostly it's the same thing that has hit the
rest of the Kings players...new coach Barry Melrose.  He has this team
working hard every night, and it's paying off.

Gann
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From: mjmelvil@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (mark)
Subject: grey cup tickets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:58:24 GMT

Hi, 

I have 2 Grey Cup tickets for the game on November 29 in Toronto
anyone interested can email me or call me at 

519-725-5518.

the tickets are on the 45 yard line - section 512 in Skydome. They are
good seats - my season tickets.

I cant go, so someone help me out!

Mark.
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the Rangers?
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:28:05 GMT

<RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>Can anybody explain why the Rangers are in a slide right now?  They just
>keep losing, and I can't find any explanation for it in the papers or anywhere.

I'll give the answer I usually hear and I don't agree with. The Rangers have
learned the-Cup-means-everything lesson. Winning the regular season is totally
meaningless with this attitute. Look at Chicago: they won the President's
Trophy and got trounced in the first round, yet last year they don't play
anywhere near as well and look how far they went. So, the Rangers, having won
the PT and getting nowhere after that, are playing the lay-low method. They're
going to play like shit through the middle of March. Then they're going to get
hot by winning 8 of 10 to finish the year barely making the playoffs. That
makes for an easy playoffs win. It's a stupid approach but we've seen it work.

No one ever claims a team does this until it has happened.

Or maybe they are just one of several teams that have lost to Tampa and haven't
recovered...8-)

Tom
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Subject: Re: Lindros again
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:40:34 MST
 <92Nov17.104208est.52@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> <1992Nov20.213020.7497@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov20.213020.7497@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
> 
(Some stuff deleted)

> He's got 15 goals and 12 assists in 19 games!
> Yzerman and Hull haven't played as well as Eric (well, point-wise, anyway).
> He's also been the leader of that team.  Recchi has helped his point total,
> but check out the way he's been taking control of games by smashing his
> opponents.  What a checker he is!
> BTW, does anyone have Mario's stats for his first year?

Mario Lemieux had 43 goals and 57 assists for 100 points in 73 games his rookie
year. That rates out to 1.37 points per game. Lindros (by the numbers you list
above) has 1.42 points per game thus far this year.

                                                                  Alan
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Why ESPN's Hockey Ratings Are Low
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:58:45 GMT

kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
>	After watching yet another Sportscenter, I finally came to 
>realize that ESPN is still not really dedicated to hockey.  ESPN 
>still treats hockey like a lesser sport.

Actually, they have been better in that the smart cracks against the
game by the other guys (Tom Mees and the women anchors are all right)
disappeared right after ESPN got the contract.  Unfortunately, CNN's
Sports Latenight has picked up that song from what I've been able to
catch.  (Maybe Ted Turner is angry about not getting the third party
SCA national games package for his SportsSouth network anymore?)

Also, ESPN SportsCenter is annoying in that they split the hockey in
half when they do need to emphasize it due to slow nights elsewheres.
They only used to do that if there was a showcase game, then go back
to the rest of the night on ice ...

gld
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Canadiens No. 1 in NHL
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:18:10 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia Mancini) wrote:
>In article <1992Nov17.082311.10217@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>How do you include ties in a winning percentage? 
>1 for a win, 0.5 for a tie and 0 for a loss?

% = (total points) / (possible points) where (possible points) = 2 * (games
played)

>>The point is: don't just say that a team is the best in the league if they've
>>played more games than the competition. If they've played fewer, then you can
>>brag.

>Well, look how they've played in their last 15 games. That's as good an
>indication as any.

Well that's an indicator of play of late, not play overall. A team can win
18 of it's first 20 games and then go 7-7-1 in it's next 15. The team is still
probably the best overall still, but only mediocre of late. That's the good
thing about the regular season: who can play hot all season. Pittsburgh played
well enough in the beginning to win another playoff, but can they keep it up
all season? I don't know. That's the fun of the regular season. Too bad more
people don't appreciate it, it could mean more.

I do like someone's suggestion of +1/0/-1 for a win/tie/loss with one exception
which is pretty meaningless. In some of the stats I compute such as play within
a specific division, some teams play far more games than others. But as I said,
these stats are pretty meaningless other than just looking at them for fun.

On a pretty unrelated note: someone said that the season is too long. Wouldn't
shortening it just mean more time between game 4/5/6/7 of the SC finals and
the opening night of the next season? In other words, isn't this a call for
a longer off-season? I'll take a 9 month season, 2 month playoff, 1 month
preseason. Let these guys work all year round like other people. 8-) 8-)
Just a joke of course. 8-)

Tom
From: gibson@rubis.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: rookie
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:24:20 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: rubis.astro.ubc.ca

In article <ewXiuB2w165w@pinetree.org> montana@pinetree.org (David Wong) writes:
>All the Top rookies from last year seems to be suffering from sophomore 
>jinx,  Bure has cool down a lot, Amonte and Todd are almost 
>non-exisitent, the only name I have heard around latly seems to be 
>Emerson,  what's wrong with all these rookies anyways??
> 
>later
>

   Agreed that many of the sophomores from last year seem to falling into the
   "jinx", but Bure's 20 goals in 20 games is hardly much of a "cooling down"
   (on the other hand he is certainly a joke defensively this year (I know
   that's not what he's paid for) and seems unable to *pass* the puck for the
   most part, but again that's what makes him the most exciting player in
   hockey). Amonte is also working on a point a game pace.  Geoff Sanderson of
   the Whalers seems to be fighting his way out of an early season sophomore
   jinx as well. 

   Brad

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Subject: Re: Stumpel & Sweeney STATS
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:39:57 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov16.182339.8283@sei.cmu.edu>, jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber) writes:
> |> Damn, that *is* pretty good!  Does anyone have their career
> |> NHL numbers?  I would, but someone doused my hockey stats
> |> book with coffee...

>                 GP   G   A   Pts   PIM
> Jozef Stumpel    4   1    0    1     0 (Boston)
> Tim Sweeney     53   8   11   19    12 (Calgary)

It should be noted that in all of those 53 games with Calgary, the only time
Tim Sweeney ever met Mike Vernon or Rick Wamsley was at the team party in the
off-season. He is truly a one-dimensional player who has no comprehension of
the word "check".

								Alan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:24:02 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
 <92Nov16.145211est.126@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>

Oh nice going Brian, attack the contact of the Penguins.  Yes, the Penguins got
 crushed.  What do you want us to write? "Oh geez, we're so happy the Penguins
got crushed in Detroit 8-0.  It was the game of the year!"  What do you want
us to write?  Detroit played a hell of game, no doubt about that.  And they
scored randomly, at will.  Hey, Pens fans, let's all join the Wings bandwagon
now.  Red Wings are No. 1!!!!!!!!!  Get real Brian!
                                                            -Rob
From: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ricci
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 01:18:38 EST
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Has anyone know the where about of Mike Ricci or his health?  

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From: vstem@cobra.calgary.chevron.com (D. Stewart McLeod)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:21:54 GMT
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Organization: chevron

In article <1992Nov12.175700.10038@cbnews.cb.att.com>, chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
|> 
|> 	I don't know if anyone has mention this player to be on the 
|> supposed "U.S. Dream Team".
|> 
|> 		Bob Probert
|> 
|> 	He can't go back to Canada, right!!!! So, he would be my fist....
		     ^--- he can "go back to Canada"...he just can not get
			  back into the U.S. (coke bust---remember 8-))

	

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From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy)
Subject: Re: Canadiens No. 1 in NHL
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:58:43 GMT



Golfers have known the solution for this "points vs. games (holes) played" 
argument for years.  What you do is employ the set of negative integers as
well as the positive.  Instead of giving 2 points for a win, 1 point for a
tie, and 0 points for a loss, you should give +1 for a win, 0 for a tie, and
-1 for a loss.  I've heard baseball announcers tell me how many games above
or below .500 a team is, this kind of scoring would give that information
instantly.  Also, it would make the statistics calculations a little easier
because the league's point totals will always have zero mean.  If your local
paper (or UPI) reports the standings and the points don't add to zero, you 
know they screwed up.  Think of it: most computer processors have a zero flag
which could be checked easily by whatever database was holding the standings.
Finally, the expected gain of a .500 team for games in hand would be zero,
which is exactly the number of points it gets for not playing the games at 
all.  Right now, if a .500 team has four games in hand, it expects to pick up
four points, but it has none right now.  This is where the discrepancy comes
from.

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From: vollmer@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bruce Vollmer)
Subject: Re: Caps/Wings game
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:59:00 GMT

In article <92Nov23.114733est.118@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes...
> 
>I thought Beaupre could have sued for non-support on the 6th goal.
>Yzerman dropped it to Ysebaert at the blue line and the defence just
>let him skate in and in and he finally blasted it from the middle
>of the circle.
> 

Beaupre has been less than stellar so far this year, but his mates on defense
have been even worse. The Caps defense has been in decline ever since 
Scott Stevens said adios a few years ago. Now with Langway out (and 
perhaps gone for good), the Caps don't have a tough, defensive minded 
defenseman left in the line-up. Perhaps some of the young guys 
(J. Woolley) will grow into this role sometime in the future, but for 
now the defense looks grim.

Perhaps, as a fan, I have been spoiled by the play in years past of Langway 
and Stevens. 

Bruce
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From: jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber)
Subject: Re: ROY: question
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:25:05 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.131535.6754@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts) writes:
|> Could someone please either post or email me with the names of
|> the last 10 Rookies of the year and the teams they currently (maybe)
|> play on.
|> 

1992  Pavel Bure - Van
1991  Ed Belfour - Chi
1990  Sergei Makarov - Cal
1989  Brian Leetch - NYR
1988  Joe Nieuwendyk - Cal
1987  Luc Robitaille - LA
1986  Gary Suter - Cal
1985  Mario Lemieux - Pit
1984  Tom Barrasso - Pit
1983  Steve Larmer - Chi
1982  Dale Hawerchuk - Buf
1981  Peter Stastny - NJ
1980  Ray Bourque - Bos

Past 12 winners of the Calder - I am fairly certain regarding the current
teams that everyone is playing for (but I'm sure to be corrected if wrong).



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From: fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Giraffe)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blackhawks 2-1
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:59:41 GMT


The Sharks seem to have more and more trouble getting the puck out of their
own zone. It seemed worse the last two games than it did a few weeks ago!
Is this my imagination?
Irbe was great, but he's going to get worn out pretty fast taking 45+ shots
per game. He didn't wander from the netr as much last night, either! ;-)

It was nice of the Hawks to honor, Wilson, but they took a few cheap shots
at him during the game to really honor him... ;-)

But hey, they haven't given up a shorthanded goal in a while!
-Frank
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