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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: st:tng (critiques) vs dr.
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:10:56 EST

Drewcifer, when you're wrong you're wrong.  Lt. Tasha Yar's daughter is
a half-human, half-romulan officer.  In one of the season cliffhangers
(I don't know the title....but I could find out), the Enterprise C is
knocked forward in time, and encounters the Enterprise D.  Picard et al
are (suddenly) at war, remembering a different past where the Enterprise
C fled the battle at Kittimar, causing the klingons to think there was
Federation/Romulan collusion.  In this Federation vs Klingons universe,
the "exploration" mission never happened and Yar was never killed.
        Guinan, from a time-sensitive species, could tell that something
was wrong.  Because the Federation *knew* that it was just a matter of
time before the Klingons won (!), Picard ordered the Enterprise C back
into the time vortex at Guinan's urging.  Tasha has discovered that she
died a meaningless death in the "real" universe, and so asks to go back
with the Enterprise C, so that she may die more fittingly (one of the
bridge crew was dead and had to be replaced).  Picard assented.
        When the ship went back, Picard et al were suddenly back in real
time.  There had been a sensor "blip", but nothing was there now.  They
had no idea of the "events" that had just occured.
        Except Guinan.
        In the episode that brings Yar's daughter to the foreground, and
in later episodes, this is explained for those who missed the previous
story.  In the 1st Daughter-of-Yar story, Guinan speaks privately to
Picard, who then talks to his command crew.

        Now, I know a lot of Who fans don't like ST:TNG, but at least
know what you're talking about, eh?
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: what was ytv doing?!!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:41:56 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

"dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:

-  I just saw the first episode of "The Pyramids of Mars" on YTV. What I
- want to know is: WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT??!!

  When YTV first showed this, MANY scenes were chopped from the original.

-
-  The episode started with the now usual credits, but right after there
- was this *intrusion*. There was this sort of promo put in between the
- opening credits and the real story. However, that was not all. At the
- end of the episode they again inserted some sort promo between the last
- scene (cliff-hanger) and the end credits. What's going on here?!!!
-
   Finally, something decent from YTV.

-  One other note: I've been watching YTV's showing of DW the past couple
- of nights (I usually just pull a tape these days). I cannot believe how
- much time YTV edits off. For example, last night I noticed the last
- episode of "Planet of Evil" ran 24 - 25 minutes. YTV must have chopped
- at least 3 - 4 minutes out!! (commercials) And they finished 5 minutes
- before the hour!!! What's going here?!!!

 I believe that this ALSO hasn't changed since the last run.
-
-  If I didn't have DW on tape (recorded from a better source years back),
- I'd be _really_ P.O.'d. I can't believe what an amateur outfit YTV is!
- Where did YTV get that copy of "PoM" from anyway?!!
-
  I managed to do the same thing.  you think that's bad, wait till Resurrection
of the Daleks.

- Amazed,
- DaleC.
-
- PS: I now wish YTV would just cancel DW. It would spare grief and even
-     maintain dignity to both themselves and DW.
  Add to the list TOTAL PURGE OF 'MOVIE FORMAT' aka joke format aka the nothing
format aka pseodu-Who format aka ...
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Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: what was ytv doing?!!
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:38:01 EST

Steve Manfred reported:
----------------------

-> An episode of "Doctor Who" is not a full half-hour long, but is in
-> fact supposed to be about 25 minutes long

 I'm very well aware of that. I should mention though, YTV will take the
25 minute episodes, edit in commercials, and still have 5 minutes left
of a half hour after the DW end credits finish.

-> However, YTV, by your reports, has indeed stumbled upon a very
-> interesting little phenomenon in "Pyramids of Mars."  They seem to be
-> using the old Time/Life Television copy of the episode.

 This is odd. I've been watching DW since the mid to late Seventies. I
don't recall ever seeing _those_ Time/Life versions before. Not on TVO,
not on Buffalo's PBS station. The copy I have on tape was done in 1983
(there abouts), and even that Time/Life version doesn't have these
intrusions (as I like to call them). Were these versions not distributed
to all PBS regions? I just can't remember PBS Buffalo using them. I'm
sure they didn't. I know TVO didn't (but, that's a different route).

-> A few missed their toothcomb however, and "Pyramids of Mars" Part One
-> is one of them.

 Not in all cases. `Good' versions of "PoM" part one are floating
around (as my copy from 1983 does attest). I think in this case, it's a
matter of the luck of the draw on which package the TV station receive.
You'd think these versions would have been purged by now. Especially
since I've just been told that YTV had used this version previously.

-> They also didn't get a full soundtrack copy of "Brain" Part One to
-> use in this either!

 Yes, that copy is still being used. I've not seen, nor heard of, any
other revisions regarding "Brain", part one.
 However, I have heard that that "Resurrection of the Daleks" episode
with some sound F/X missing was revised and the original purged (Now
missing pipe smoking scene, though. But, that was edited out even before
the added F/X version was released).

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com
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From: jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo)
Subject: Re: daleks
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:07:15 GMT

I'm not sure about Daleks being that heavy.

In the "Dalek invasion of earth", when the people broke control by the Doctor,
they attacked and defeated the Daleks like they were cardboard cutouts.  Heck
I even seen 2 people running with a dalek over thier heads.  

I'm not too sure about Daleks being that impennatrable

In a scene from "the Chase", Frankenstein (a robot) destroyed one with no 
trouble at all.

Maybe they were the old ones, and weren't as good then.  The Daleks did levitat
in the last Dalek episode.


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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Shabang-o-meter rating of "Nightshade"
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:49:25 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Just finished Mark Gatiss' book Nightshade, which seems to have caused 
quite a bit of furor on the net due to the ending.  But I think someone 
previously mentioned a possible cause - someone was just a little to 
overambitious and didn't seem to give a damn about continuity.

Well, on with the Shabang-o-meter rating (since ST:TNG is still in reruns 
until Sunday).  Hmm, a rather good story, but terribly weak at points.  I 
did like the astronomy, though they did make one slight boo-boo.  Jocelyn 
Bell (-Burnell) came across the first pulsar in November of 1967, not 
January of '68.  Yes, I am being anal-retentive, but I enjoy it!  Also I 
found it rather improbable that they would be operating a radio telescope 
during a major storm.  But I could be wrong about that.

However it gets a respectable, but not a very exciting 7 (out of 10).  
Read it once, that should do it.


One to Ben Aaronovitch's Transit

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

There, that is enough posting for one day.
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From: ramirez@spock.uucp (Andreas Orphanides)
Subject: Dr Who Movie
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:16:23 GMT

Does anyone have a script to the "godawful" Dr Who movie?
If so, email me at ramirez@choate.edu
thanx in advance

ps NO FTP ACCESS so pleeze dont just tell me an ftp site



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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Jamie & The Higlanders
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:20:41 GMT

00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu wrote:
>     Thanks for all your information on Zoe; now, of course, I want to know
>more about Jamie.  I know he was from Scotland ("The Highlanders") around 1752
>or thereabouts, but how did he get mixed up with the Doctor and why did he
>decide to stay on with him?
>While we're at it, what was
>"The Highlanders" about, anyway?

You can enjoy this story almost as much as if it were on video by backordering
DWB issues #89-92. Back issues of DWB can be obtained from Who Enterprises in
Toronto. Call 416-423-6828 Monday thru Thursday between 8pm and 11pm Eastern
(yes, that's 8pm to 11pm) for more information. Each of these issues contains
one episode of the photonovel for the story. There are a few other photonovels
in other issues of DWB (The Highlanders is the only one spread across more than
one issue). A photonovel contains several hundred pictures taken off-screen
and is accompanied by a partial script.

Since I am not an avid reader, photonovels are about 100 times more enjoyable
than novels (for me). They are also more close to canon.

I can't tell you what the story is about since I have eps2-4 and am waiting
for ep1 which is in the mail. But you'll be getting yours soon anyway, right?

Other stories: The Power of the Daleks, The Moonbase, The Savages, and
The Macra Terror (only a partial photonovel).

This stuff really needs to go in the FAQ since it is the 3rd time I've
discussed it on the net. I've asked Paul to put it in the novel list, but I
never heard back. I guess it's better than a "favorite" discussion though.

Tom
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: daleks
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:10:56 EST

> Excuse me!  I mentioned no names.  I was refering to no individual in
> particular.

> I PREFER TO LEAVE THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOUR TO OTHERS !!!

> Enough said ??

No, that isn't enough said, not be a long shot.  When you first used the
"airhead" throwaway remark, I thought you did mean people in particular,
and I wasn't particularly offended because I didn't think you meant me.
Even though I am the opposing view, I don't automatically assume every
insult is slung my way.

On the other hand, if you intend on characterizing the entire opposition
as "airheads", then you and I definately are at odds. I, for one, am far
LESS offended by the "kind of behaviour" that points me out and says,
"you, sir, are a fool," than by the kind that points a finger at a broad
group of people and says "they are all fools."

Because a group of people disagrees with, or is different from, you,
does not make them "airheads".  In the future, if you insist on
insulting others, please determine *who* you are insulting.  To do
otherwise is no different, and no better, than calling people niggers,
chinks, or wops.

I have marked this message "Reciever Only" as I don't think these
comments are anyone else's business.  If you feel differently, it won't
bother me at all.
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: doctor who: the old adven
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:29:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec14.4153.15263@dosgate> daniel.bishop@canrem.com (daniel bishop) writes:

>Relegating the adventures of the Doctor to only the Doctor's future is
>an odd thing for a fan of a time travel series to support.
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You know, that's exactly what I was thinking.  I believe I even mentioned it
to Steven.

Drewcifer
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Season's Gratings
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:16:25 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


Have a Merry/Happy (insert holiday, if any, here)!

Well, with that wave of acerbic posts I shall bid rec.arts.drwho a fond
adieu until Jan. 18th.  Till then I shall be E-mailless, and you may have a
flame-free group for a while!

To my friends here, see you in '93; to my enemies, well, what would life be
without argument?  I salute you (well, most of you...) and look forward to
many new battles, hoping that we are not so emotionally involved with our
debates that we carry grudges.  I prefer to carry tunes myself.

I shall review some of my videos with new eyes now.

Drewcifer shall return...be warned!

Au revoir,
Andrew
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: what was ytv doing?!!
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:28:34 EST

 I just saw the first episode of "The Pyramids of Mars" on YTV. What I
want to know is: WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT??!!

 The episode started with the now usual credits, but right after there
was this *intrusion*. There was this sort of promo put in between the
opening credits and the real story. However, that was not all. At the
end of the episode they again inserted some sort promo between the last
scene (cliff-hanger) and the end credits. What's going on here?!!!

 One other note: I've been watching YTV's showing of DW the past couple
of nights (I usually just pull a tape these days). I cannot believe how
much time YTV edits off. For example, last night I noticed the last
episode of "Planet of Evil" ran 24 - 25 minutes. YTV must have chopped
at least 3 - 4 minutes out!! (commercials) And they finished 5 minutes
before the hour!!! What's going here?!!!

 If I didn't have DW on tape (recorded from a better source years back),
I'd be _really_ P.O.'d. I can't believe what an amateur outfit YTV is!
Where did YTV get that copy of "PoM" from anyway?!!

Amazed,
DaleC.

PS: I now wish YTV would just cancel DW. It would spare grief and even
    maintain dignity to both themselves and DW.
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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Daleks overrated?
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:31:01 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

To paraphrase Jan Brady "Daleks, Daleks, Daleks - All we ever hear about are 
Daleks!!!!"

I must admit that the first time I saw Daleks (Genesis of the D.s)  I was 
more impressed with Davros than those stupid looking squaty cones.  But I 
kept reading about the history of DW and reading about how amazingly 
awesome the Daleks were - how they instilled terror into children - or at 
least were mimiced by children on the school playgrounds.  And I never 
really saw the great "terror" or "fear" from this rather silly looking 
beasts - UNTIL I saw the first Dalek episode - then I could see that from 
the way the producers and directors had filmed them, constructed them and 
designed them they did come off as terrifying.  However the terror was not 
really an aspect of the creatures themselves, but the atmosphere around 
and particularly the wonders of black and white filming, which made them 
rather scary.

And it was rather silly being able to escape from the would-be conquers of 
the universe by walking up a flight of stairs.   It would have only been a 
matter of time until they licked that problem (as seen in Remembrance of 
the D.s).

Just a few Saturday morning ramblings....

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

All  I want for Christmas is some Microsoft stock, and a Lamborgine.
From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Perry Testem)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: daleks
Date: 19 Dec 1992 12:59:53 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: jester.usask.ca
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

:>I tend to think that Daleks being light enough for two
:>normal humans to lift is a bit less than believable.  OK, yes, it's been
:>seen (I assume) so it must be canon, but consider that not only must these
:>shells house a Kaled mutant, but they must also house disruptor weapons,
:>computers to deal with vision technology and motive technology, speech
:>synthesizers, the motive unit itself, and (since the Daleks no longer
:>conduct power through metal floors) a power generator to run all this stuff. 
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:>Even considering that the Daleks' technology is definitely more advanced
:>than ours, that's still a *lot* of equipment to be light enough for two men
:>to lift.  So if Daleks were consistently this light, we must be forced to
:>wonder why!

Hmm. I haven't seen this one for awhile even though it is my favorite
Hartnell story (he says ducking like crazy), but didn't the Daleks in that
episode have a small satelitte dish-like contraption on their back? I
thought that was supposed to be their power relay, so they would be more
mobile, and thus they WOULDN'T have power generators.

Anyway...one more reason two people could carry the Dalek is that they had
been doing hard menial labour for awhile, and would've been built up
somewhat (it would have to be before the malnutrition got to them)
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: the chase
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:29:27 EST

This ship was the Marie Celeste.  The ship's crew and passangers
disappeared under mysterious circumstances (for another view on these
circumstances, read Dean Koontz's Phantoms.  A very scary book indeed).
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Subject: Re: Who movies
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 18:11:24 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> I fully expect these two movies to someday show up on Mystery Science Theater
> 3000.  They're turkeys.  Peter Cushing plays an eccentric human scientist

Well close, I recorded "DW and the Daleks" off of USA "Up All Night".  I've
never actually watch the recording all the way through.  I couldn't stomach
it.

> called "Doctor Who" who basically invents a time machine in the shape of a
> police box (for no good reason) that's bigger inside than out (for no good
> reason).  They then stumble through the plots of the first two Dalek stories.
> They completely mutilate "The Daleks" in the first film, but the second has
> one redeeming feature over "Dalek Invasion Of Earth" -- it's half as long.
> 
> If you really want to seek them out, in which case you're more of a die-hard
> Whovian than I, their full titles are "Doctor Who And The Daleks" and
> "Daleks: Invasion Earth 2150AD".
> 
> >Thanks, Elena
> 
> Don't thank me till you've seen the movies.  You might not want to then.
> I'm serious.  We're talking Highlander II here.



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From: hartnett@ocpt.ccur.com (Robert Sean Hartnett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dalek can climb
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:53:17 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello,
	I read an article someone put on the net that they thought
the scene in Remembrance of the Daleks when the showed the Dalek
"Flying" (is the word that was used) up the stairs was one of the
silliest things they had thought they had ever saw. 
	I think that that scene has got to be one of the all time
greatest and most memorable scenes in Doctor Who history. When that
Dalek began to climb or fly up those stairs i was totally awestruck!
	Besides, how do you even think of trying to control the
universe if you can't even climb stairs.8)
	How many scenes like that have in Who have made such a 
lasting impression on you?

Later
RuSH

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From: rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani)
Subject: Re: celery (& swimming pools)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:59:58 GMT

I thought there was a pool in the TARDIS... there was one episode in the Baker
years that showed it. I believe that Lella (sp?) was in it...

Rajiv