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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:38:38 EST
From:         "C.J." <ADMCJP@UVMADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: turkeys

"Hook" gets my vote for Turkey of the Year.  Especially annoying was the (ugh)
reappearance(over and over and over and over and over) of Roberts' exceedlingly
annoying "ASTONISHED LAUGH"  (you know, the one you kept seeing over and over
and over on the trailers that the ENTIRE HOLLYWOOD COMMUNITY FELL SO IN LOVE
with that they wanted to GIVE Roberts an oscar just for doing that WONDERFULLY
CLEVER AND SPONTANEOUS LAUGH OF ASTONISHMENT when Gere snapped the jewelry case
in her pretty woman face!!!!  Obviously Speilberg felt similarly because he had
her do it over and over and ... -Okay, my friend just told me she did it only
once but it sure seems as though that's all she did in the entire film-  In any
case, -Alright, I understand she was just getting over Keif and I should have
more sympathy and recognize that it was enough that she found the will to live,
much less laugh on cue...  I'll shut up.-   "Hook" still gets my vote, and I'm
still confused as to how it ended up being so very very godawful. A new survey:
great stories/scripts that are IMPOSSIBLE to ruin yet someone manages to. - o+
"I can take reality in small doses but as a lifestyle I find it too confining."
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:51:51 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: George and Bob

>
> Say wasn't Highlander II shown in 1992?  If it is, it deserves
> a place in the turkey awards.
>
> Carol Doms
===========================================================
Nope, this clunker came along in '91, though it showed in '92.  Someone once
told me that, "if you watch the uncut, full-length version, it makes a lot
more sense and is much better."

I was not so inspired.
                                                Alex
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:55:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Laserdisc top of the month

1.  Laserdisc tip of the month: BALLAD OF A SOLDIER, from Image.
In case you haven't seen this film, it's a Russian (anti-) war
film from 1960, released in the US as part of a cultural exchange,
shown on TV in the early '60s, after which it disappeared.  It has
resurfaced in video catalogs, but every print seems to be a de-
scendant of the same lousy original; and believe me, I've seen
(and paid for) them all.  FINALLY, Image has produced a laserdisc
with great picture, readable subtitles, and scenes that had been
cut from the original of the tapes.  So if you've tried to watch
this film and found it unwatchable, run out and buy or rent the
disc.  It's a wonderful film in every way.

2.  Bonus tip of the month:  there's a new Virgin Megastore in LA,
at 8000 Sunset Blvd., with a huge collection of CDs (and some
cassettes), tapes, and laserdiscs.  How huge is it?  Well, it has
its own five-story underground parking structure.  Good points:
large collections, lots of foreign and classic videos, more CDs
than I've seen in any Tower Records or anywhere else.  Bad points:
no apparent discounts from list, killer intersection at entrance
to parking garage.  Not as big a stock of laserdiscs as Ken
Crane's down in Westminster -- which, by the way, has just moved
down the street into triple the floor space.

3.  Extra bonus fact of the month:  Elsie the Cow died in a traf-
fic accident and is buried in Plainsboro, New Jersey.


Jim Thompson
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:20:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: John and Mary Mcdonnell

John,
    What's with you and Mary? Personally, I don't care one way or
the other. When I first saw her in Dances with Wolves with that 90's
hairdo, I blamed Kevin Costner for that glitch( I was curious to know
what shampoo they used during those times). I just saw her again in
the Mission Impossible remake, Sneakers, and I survived. I have to
admit, her Mother Supreme role in Grand Canyon was quite unbearable,
but the blame has to go to Mr. Kasdan and not the actors. She has a new
movie with Alfre Woodard called Passion Fish which is being pushed for
possible Oscar nominations. Sorry, John, but you're stuck with her for
awhile just as I'm stuck with Demi, Julia, Tom, Kevin,....
                                                 Rolando
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:10:44 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: And so it is with a heavy heart, and a tear in either eye...

>Evening all,
>
>This is just a quick note to say goodbye (for now).  ICL are cutting back,
>and I have been classified as expendable.  So, it's time to move back to
>Scotland (which I am very happy about) and look for another job (which
>I am not so happy about!).
>
>With the job goes the e-mail access, unfortunately.  Of all the lists
>I've been part of, cinema-l was the most interesting and fun.  Whatever
>was being talked about, it was rarely dull round these parts.
>
>Thanks for the good times, and with a bit of luck I'll be connected again
>before too long (and I'll be around for another day or so).  In the
>meantime, I hope you all have a very Merry Xmas and a happy new year.
>
>All the best,
>                        Liam.
>                        ====-
>
>PS.  I hope that the Hudson Hawk support group will continue in my
>absence.  I wouldn't want the film to be neglected or abused when I'm
>not here to defend it...
>                                   *"Something tells me you're not
>     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   *   really a doctor."
> aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England*"What gave it away?  The fact that
>  All e-mail to:- | Home: Glasgow, *   I've gone fully ten seconds
>lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    *   without patronising you?"
>                                   * -- Camille & Lister (Red Dwarf IV)
>
take care chief.

Joe
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:53:58 GMT
From:         Fintan Aylward <eeifad@EEIUD.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Re: turkeys

        So far there has been no real turkey`s nominated by anybody. I dont thin
k
        films like Alliens 3 qualify as they are technically well done. Definite
        examples of turkey's in the past are Costner's playing of ROBBIN HOOD...
.
        My nomintions are two britsh films released in the past year.

                                DOUBLE X    (staring Norman Wisdom )
                                Billy the kid 2

        If anybody has seemn these movies they wwll know why they
 qualify............

        PS For any Britsh or Irish on this list I nominate Carmel (this Iris` gi
rl
           in Cornation street as the worst performance ever on TV..............
..
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:34:00 EST
From:         91610@TAYLORU.BITNET
Subject:      Wayne's World

Sorry, j-man.  The script for WAYNE'S WORLD 2 has already been written.  Mike
Myers was a guest on David Letterman a few weeks ago and announced it.

Josh
From: $W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET (Rolando Recometa)
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Subject: Toys
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:31:00 GMT
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TOYS is getting critical bashing here in Chicago. Our 3
main critics(Siskel, Kehr, and Ebert) gave it 1, 1, and 2-1/2
stars, respectively.
FOREVER YOUNG also got panned. I forgot the star ratings.
THE CRYING GAME, however, got 4 stars across the board.
    I'm planning on still checking out Toys, will definitely see
The Crying Game. As for Forever Young, I never intended to see it.
                                              Rolando
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:59:18 CST
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From:         "Dick Clawson, S.J." <CLAWSON@LOYNOVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VINCENT GARDENIA--NOT

>>>I think the father in Breaking Away was Paul Dooley.  JC
>>   Actually the father in Breaking Away was Ned Beatty (sp?).

>       No, no, no.  The father is played by the cabana boy, Matt
> Dillon.

>-scott

    I beg to differ, the father was played by Michael Jackson who gained
 150 lbs. and had a serious skin bleach to prove himself a great actor.

   RDC,SJ
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:26:40 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Brother's Keeper

Anybody else see this documentary?  I was quite impressed.  I thought
it showed a great deal of control with a difficult subject, and some
slick manipulation without being irritating.  I'd go on, but I suspect
it won't be playing in lots of theatres.  I doubt it would ever make it
to St. Louis (where I live), but I had the good luck to be in Seattle
for a week.  I wonder what else these directors have made?

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St. Louis, MO  63130    |                              -- Immanuel Kant

                           "Huh?"  -- Rick Francis
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:41:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Michael's request

Michael,
     One more time for you - 1992 offered such distinct pleasures
as The Hairdresser's Husband, Glengarry Glen Ross, Howard's End,
A River Runs Through It, Unforgiven, One False Move, Flirting; three
short of a Top Ten list. If things don't pick up, I may have to include
Public Eye, Of Mice and Men, Night and the City. It's been a bad year.
The last two weeks have possibilities - The Crying Game, Hoffa, Toys,
Scent of a Woman, Lorenzo's Oil. As for my all-time favorites, you can
check out an earlier posting.
     I forgot to mention The Player, and I also enjoyed the low-rent
version, Mistress.
                                                     Rolando
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:58:50 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: great elevator scenes

SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
MAN WITH TWO BRAINS (I think)
ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA
THE HOT ROCK
THE SHINING

kjf-
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:44:20 -0500
From:         S1MBM@ISUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: turkeys

Rolando, an old sardonicpuss myself, I generally value your filmic
excoriations.  Yet I'm curious:  What films if any *do* you like?

I saw Malcolm X yesterday and, while I'm willing to admit that it is rife
with error, quite liked it.

michael mcdonald
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:17:21 EST
From:         JONATHAN LORD <jml4s@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      great elevator scenes

In response to my comment about A FACE IN THE CROWD, someone mentioned the
great elevator scene from that movie.  This made me think of lots of other
great elevator scenes from many other movies.  It seems that the elevator has
provided movie-makers with a lot of material for great comic and/or dramatic
cinematic moments.  Anyone want to share their favorite elevator scenes?  A
couple that came immediately to my mind were:

Angie Dickenson's elevator scene in DePalma's DRESSED TO KILL.  This did for
elevators what PSYCHO did for showers, in my opinion.  I took the stairs for
a long time after seeing this movie.

DePalma also used the elevator for a tensely dramatic scene in the shopping
mall sequence from BODY DOUBLE.

The elevator scene in GHOST was pretty funny.

~~~~~~~~~
Jonathan


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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:51:28 EST
From:         Steven Feldman <AR402004@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Oliver Stone's contact address?

Hello,
     Can anyone point me in the direction of a mailing address for
Oliver Stone?  Even the address of the movie company he works for the
most might be helpful.  According to a recent issue of VARIETY, he is
considering directing ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN, and I'd like very much to
make the suggestion that he cast either Cynthia Rothrock (the CHINA
O'BRIEN and MARTIAL LAW films, FAST GETAWAY, etc.) or Anne Parillaud
(LA FEMME NIKITA and INNOCENT BLOOD).
     Private e-mail would be fine, thank you.

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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:27:11 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Laserdisc player--Panasonic?

Rick,

Panasonic has been developing a pretty good rep since they started making
players a couple years ago.  No reason to avoid them that I know of.  Pioneer
has had the longest experience in the field (literally keeping laserdisc
alive for almost a decade), so their bottom line models are also worth
considering.

A while ago I posted some comments on players and especially recommended
that a bottom-line player is fine for a beginner in the disc format unless
you absolutely feel you need to be able to manipulate films frame by frame.
Only a higher end player with "digital" effects can do that on movie discs
that are recorded in the CLV mode (extended play)... which most of them are.
If you are thinking alone those lines for your own pleasure or professional
use, you need to keep that in mind.  As for a purchase by your university,
they would have open other options: industrial versions of players on the
market from companies like Pioneer and Sony.  Our univ. buys from state
contract that specifies two models of Pioneer educational/industrial level
players.  My experience is that these are comparable in performance to
consumer players, but may be even more durable because of the conditions
of use they were made for.  One thing--from my limited bad experience--I'd
stay clear of is the pricier player that plays both sides of a disc without
having to eject and flip it.  They use a  mechanism that literally flips
the laser assembly, and this can go out of whack over time.  Sometimes it's
not that it totally malfunctions and won't "flip," but that it develops
errors in its tracking alignment and produces visual interference in the
picture (ripply effects like water) or at worst can't "find" the start or
a chapter of a disc and won't play without repeated tries.  I've got one
of those from Pioneer awaiting repair right now.  I'd go with the basic
player (I've got one from Pioneer, too) but if you need those digital
effects, your choices of getting them in consumer models without *also*
getting the double-side play, are very limited.  Usually they go together
in most pricier players.  I should also note that industrial players
tend to be pricier than their consumer counterparts, and ones with digital
effects capability are at the highest end of a company's line.

Jeff Clark

P.S. Also meant to point out that discs recorded in CAV format ("standard",
though not very any more judging by the number of releases in the format),
will offer freeze frame and fast and slow motion with any basic player as
well as digital one.  But there you pay more for the discs, and, as I said,
most movies--except for the general catalogue from Criterion--are available
only in the CLV alternative.  Even Criterion's line has been getting more
selective in CAV.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:23:55 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Jeff and Alex and tears

Rolando,
Yes--I agree with you re DeNiro in Awakenings.  Still haven't seen my
Left Foot--probably because it's a title I intend to get on disc...--but
admire Day Lewis' work intensely.  Thanks for the clarification about
Angel at My Table.  Has this one--anyone answer--been released on video
recently?
Jeff
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:06:25 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      updated advice for j-man

j-man,

Well, I checked my guide to current TV monitor/receivers available, and
discovered that I'm a bit more out of touch and a bit too sanguine re current
prices.  A 31-32" monitor *is* about as large a screen as you will get for
around or under $1000; it would require maybe another $200 to begin looking
in the 35" range (and that's only for the cheaper ones, of which there aren't
many).

But there's a fair number of choices among the brands suggested.  Most of the
sets that list price for $1500-1700 can be had for under $1000 from discounters,
   since a solid discount is usually 35-40%.  Here are a few particular ideas:

JVC AV-3151S or AV-31BP3  --both are 31" screens
Mitsubishi CS-31MX1 or CS-31AX1  31" again
Toshiba CF 3072B (30") or CF3272B (32")
Sony KV32TS20 (32") *

*That's really the only Sony of this size and price point I notice, and it's
not an XBR (though that doesn't mean it's not competitive quality-wise).  If
you want to consider looking at more Sony models, including XBRs, you may
have to drop down a size to the 27" monitor; as I said before, Sony tends to
be a bit pricey.

I'd also feel comfortable considering Panasonic models as well. Their prices
even tend to be a bit lower than the others I've mentioned above.  You just
need to remember in the end, that if you're going to examine sets anyway and
not buy by reviews and/or mail order, what looks good to you is the main
criterion (with an established brand and rep another consideration for later
servicing).  And if you can get a dealer to let you try out your own material
on playback (instead of just looking at their TV signal), you'll have better
grounds for comparison.

JC
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From:         Barbara Marantz <BMARANTZ@SNYESCVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Query: Documentaries on the Life of Helen Keller

Can anyone direct me to documentaries on Helen Keller's life -- or
sources that might help me find same?

Since I am not a regular subscriber to your list, could you please
send responses to me directly at:
        bmarantz@snyescva.bitnet

Thanks for any help you can provide.
Barbara Marantz
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:09:20 -0500
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Good horror movies

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            19-Dec-1992 12:52pm EST
FROM:  MDESCHUYTENEER
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SUBJECT: Good horror movies

    (subject was: THUNDERHEART/A MIDNIGHT CLEAR)

    Joe,

    I would not label horror movies "bad" across the board. I believe there
    are good horror movies. Actually, I would say there are good movies
    which happen to borrow some of the usual themes of the horror genre.
    THE SHINING as you mentioned, THE EXORCIST, AMITYVILLE, FRANKENSTEIN
    UNBOUND, GOTHIC, NOSFERATU come to mind. There are also two movies by
    Belgian (allow me a little chauvinistic pride here) director Harry
    Kummel: MALPERTUIS and LES LEVRES ROUGES. I don't think that the former
    has been released in the US (or maybe under a weird title). LES LEVRES
    ROUGES, which should be translated "The Red Lips", is available on
    video as DAUGHTERS OF DARKNESS (go figure). And, of course, there are
    the good horror comedies like YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN, THE FEARLESS VAMPIRE
    KILLERS OR PARDON ME BUT YOUR TEETH ARE IN MY NECK, THE NIGHT OF THE
    LONG SHADOWS and BEETLEJUICE.

    I must confess that I like bad horror movies too. And I have the
    hardest time to take them seriously. They usually make me laugh, like
    the first one I ever saw: Andy Warhol's FRANKENSTEIN. I was with my dad
    who laughed all the way (most to the dismay of other spectators who
    were there to be scared).

    Finally while we are in this department, I have always enjoyed the
    classic Hammer productions which, IMO, were quality products in this
    category.
    And for me, much as Sean Connery being Bond, James Bond, Christopher
    Lee still is Count Dracula, Coppola or not.

    Boo,

    MICHEL
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:30:50 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: John and Grand Canyon

>I have long admired Walker Percy's work...

I've been spinning my prayer wheel for years, waiting for films
of LOVE IN THE RUINS or SECOND COMING. Fat chance.

kjf-
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