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From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Brian Blessed
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:45:19 GMT

shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes about various BBC series
but doesn't mention the subject header, Brian Blessed.

I'm curious; what was the original subject of this thread and how did
it concern the actor Brian Blessed?  Just last night, I was watching
episodes of "I, Claudius" in which he plays Caesar Augustus.  He was
quite good, and I was trying to remember from where I heard his name.
Now I remember!

What was the original topic of this thread?
Thanks ...

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to my friend Rob Bernardo.
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From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Quotes
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:42:09 GMT

In the middle of a spurt, er, a torrent, I mean a burst, uh, flood,
rush? [*] of postings, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

> I no longer love your mouth
> I no longer love your eyes

[etc.]

...and I just sort of wondered, y'know, what it was, and why it was
here.

Robert (who suspects someone he's very fond of is busy avoiding
        thinking about Advanced Calculus)


[*] I can't think of an appropriate synonym that isn't sexually
charged -- why do you suppose that is?
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Subject: Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:25:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey
Keywords: voter registration, letters


This is great stuff [subliminal message - REGISTER!  VOTE!], but
can we restrict the Distribution on this thread for the sanity
of our non-usa readers?  (There's quite a lot of them.)

Thanks,
Ellen
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Barbara Bush proves to be as spineless as her husband
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:54:05 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <GANDALF.92Aug25225548@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu> gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
>Besides, we all growl when the republicants attack Hillary Clinton... who are
>we to attack Barbara Bush? She's not the candidate. Anything she does as 
>first lady is her own choice. I'd say she has been an admirable first lady...
>certainly more so than Nancy Reagan. 

We all growl when the Republicans attach Hillary Clinton because her legal
scholarship is irrelevant to the campaign, and her work is being lied about.
We attack Barbara Bush as a campaigner.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Irish and Irish-American
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:28:35 GMT

In article <92236.175006SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>In closing I should quote an old friend, Dermot Lynch, who used
>to say that the stereotypical Jewish Mother was the Irish Mother
>rendered harmless.

Well, me mutha is a 1st generation Irish American, so perhaps she
doesn't count as an Irish Mother.  I've always thought that she
does a great imitation of a Jewish mother when I call after too
long a time of not calling ("You know, there'll be ONE day when
your mother and father aren't going to be arOUND and more, StEvEn."
[emphasis intended].  "I know, mum, sorry.")

On the other hand, we grew up in my grandmother's house (mother's
mother), with her sister (great aunt), both of whom came over from
Ireland just before WWI, and both of them doted on us children
constantly.  It was really a wonderful experience.  Nana is now
99, in a nursing home, healthy, and still as sharp as a tack (not
the best situation when you're surrounded by the demented, but she
makes do.)

I seem to have escaped the more toxic ("Hi, Greg!") manifestations of
Hiberno-American "family values".  Not that there wasn't plenty of
Irish-American-Catholic insularity and narrow-mindedness in evidence
in my neighborhood, but that's a separate thread.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGA
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:06:14 GMT

In article <65098@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
>I have to admit, I'm chuckling over that one.  Very clever, Jess.
>You are still a *wicked* *evil* boy for butchering Sarver's name,
>but at least you stabbed with a sharp blade.

Thanks, but my name is Steve.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:09:53 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore):
> I feel good knowing
> that Jake and his peers will be here to continue in the fine
> tradition that we've established.  Bravo.

well, after all, it's our pods against theirs... :-)

jake, acting curmudgeon since Henry Mensch appears to be on
vacation...
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Texas
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:01:47 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
 >When I was in 4th grade (a very long time ago) we spent the entire year 
 >studying New York City history; there was simply no time to squeeze in 
 >anything about the rest of the state, which, as every good New Yorker 
 >knows, simply does not exist.

I guess NYState devotes 4th grade social studies to local history.
At that time I lived in Massena, NY, way up on the Canadian border.
Guess what _we_ spent the whole year studying, as if nothing outside
of St. Lawrence County existed?



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Another Victory!
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:33:22 GMT

In <1992Sep1.192541.16700@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:

>In article <Btwsv4.IFM@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>>Just a few hours ago, a tribunal of the Human Rights Commission of Ontario
>>ordered the provincial government to extend pension and health benefits to
>>same-sex couples.  The case was launched in 1988 by Michael Leshner, a
>>lawyer employed with the Ministry of the Attorney-General of Ontario,
>>when his partner of seven years was denied elegibility under the spousal
>>health benefits offered to employees of the provincial government.

>I take it the reference to the value of this case as a precedent means
>that no similar cases have ever been decided in the other provinces?
>Just what is the status of such questions in the rest of Canada, if anyone
>knows?

There are quite a few, I believe.  None that I know of have been
successfully resolved.
-- 
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From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:03:23 GMT

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
: 
: I mention only in passing how delighted I was to find
: [on 2 out of 3 flights] that beards among the [yes,
: male] flight attendants [who were there mainly for my
: safety, but deigned to serve complimentary beverages]
              ^^^^^^^
I read "designed" the first time through this. Hmm. Designer flight 
attendants? I'd like a slightly butchy fem, please.


Kathy
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From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: Foreign-born Gay Asians
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:38:18 GMT

	re the 'all asians are just so peace loving'

	a vietnamese-born coworker of mine once told me (i'm american-
	born white) something like 'i can't understand why gentiles hate
	jews; aren't you all white?' & then in the next two minutes started
	telling me how awful the japanese are.

	i laughed & said 'but aren't you all asian?' & he stopped, thought
	about it, & got it.

	we also traded stories about being ignored in stores in favor of our
	white male friends.

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
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From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:59:03 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



Why is it that the mannerisms appear to be cross-cultural?

Or to put it another way:  why do the same distinguishing gay
characteristics crop up in tribal Africa, American Indians,
Japanese, and Europe?

I suppose one could say that all societies are male-dominated,
and that there is a long history of oppression, etc. etc. but that
seems a little too pat and simplistic to me.

I have always leaned towards the biological as the cause of
homosexuality.  As a corollary, many of these attributes (such
as the voice thing) may be totally (or predominantly) genetic
in determination.
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From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:32:32 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


(rjwill6)
/and if
/those guys had half a clue between them they'd realize that
/those same clueless straights will hate them just as viciously
/whether they're in three-piece gray flannel or a fucking tutu,
/but thanks all the same...


Not true.  Not by a long shot.

I might believe this if it had ever happened to me.  Or to anyone
that I know.  I don't mean to say that every single last straight person
I have "come out" to was open-minded.  But I can count the negative
reactions on two fingers.


The less threatening you are, the less extreme the response from others.  
I don't know why you struggle to avoid this rather elementary principle
of human behavior.
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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: American Family Association *LOSES*! Bush signs PBS,NPR Bill
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:32:04 GMT

lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>In article <92242.094502IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>i called yesterday.  it had already been signed, but it sounded
>>liek teh operators were even disgusted with the radical fundies.
>>i mean, really, deny funding to the people who show sasame
>>street and mr. rodgers?  are the NUTS???  they shoudl have KNOWN
>>that wouldn't work, that even their OWN people might shy off from
>>that one...
>I didn't think Bush was quite that stupid. He is happy to sell out to the
>fundies, but only when he thinks it gets votes. Imagine a parent trying to
>explain why sesame street just went off the air.... 

Makes me wonder if Bush wishes he had a "line item veto" for which shows
get funded. :)

-jeff
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From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:24:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.195138.1089@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
|In article <vanyel.715396480@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
|[deletions]
|>I don't like "nelly" behavior.  Period.  I've received nothing on here to
|>suggest that I *should*--only flames for not thinking like *you*.  When

|And we can be sure the nelly queens ain't so hot about you,
|either.

  [...]
|And don't let the fact that categorical hatred is bigotry
|bother one little bit.

   Umm.  I just looked back through the articles, and I don't see the
connection between 'don't like' and 'categorical hatred' here on Alan's
part.  Flames aside, what is wrong with saying you don't like some
behavior, as long as you don't progress to the "I don't do it, so it's
evil and should be destroyed" mindset?  It's possibly not the most
politic way of saying that it's not one's cup of tea, but I don't see
any other meaning (For example, I don't hunt.  Why?  I don't like hunting.
I don't particularly care if other people hunt, it's just that I don't
like to do it.  This is a bit different from saying that since I don't
hunt, there's obviously something degenerate about it and it should be
banned.)
                 __
   david parsons \/ Who prefers to say that (x) isn't my thing, instead.
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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: sex among grownups (was Re: Come out! come out!)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:39:27 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD) writes:

>>At the University of Missouri-Columbia we had a voluntary
>>weekend workshop in "sexual desensitization" where we sat in
>>a lecture hall and watched video vignettes depicting topical
>>areas of masturbation, heterosexual sex, inter-racial sex,
>>homosexual sex, the physiology of orgasm, sex in the age > 55
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>category, and finally sex among the physically handicapped.
> ^^^^^^^^
>God, you mean some of us *are* getting it on?  That's a
>relief!  There's hope after all.  :-)

Probably getting it on more than us 23-yr-olds.  8-)

--

 ________________ Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu _________________
 \/ "Are you afraid I'm jeoopardizing my secret identity, Ned?  I don't     \/
     *have* one, remember?"  --The Black Condor, _Black Condor_ #5
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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Forty years a queen
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:44:27 GMT

coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>This, to me, is all very odd. "40 years a queen" and "A queen for 40
>years" mean more or less the same thing, and, I should think, would be
>adequately expressed in French by "une reine depuis 40 ans".
>(Actually, "Queen for 40 years" doesn't necessarily mean the same
>thing as "a queen...", but might imply *the* Queen -- Elizabeth II has
>been Queen for 40 years, yes?) It looks like the Gai Pied folks
>misunderstood the English idiom, and thought it *did* mean
>"40-year-old queen".

Well, it does seem that "une reine depuis 40 ans" would have been a
better translation, although perhaps that would carry the implication
that the person in question was something else before being a queen,
which is true for QE2 but false for a quadragenarian queer.  In the
context of the article it's not possible that the journalists could
have misunderstood what the T-shirt was meant to say.  I think they
were trying to set the context for their questionable translation by
heading the article "Reine d'un jour" (queen for a day).

I think that's exhausted that topic.  :-)

,
Eamonn
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From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:50:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/(katbea)
/FUCK YOU, SARVER, YOU IGNORANT, MISOGYNIST, ARROGANT, STUPID, ASSHOLE.

My, how elegant.  


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From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: Re: tommin' it up
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:45:20 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold 'Story' Zwicky) writes:

>in article <1992Aug29.214119.871@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu
>(melinda shore, her harpy's talons outstretched) writes of a
>poster i will call (for obvious reasons) tom:

> >[tom] has completely bought
> >into the notion that you're only entitled to your rights if 
> >you're popular, and he's asking you to buy into it, too.  He'd 
> >much rather participate in the marginalization of those who 
> >are different than put effort into ending it.  He thinks it's
> >politically important to be liked, as if there's a committee
> >out there who will protect his job, his housing, etc. if he
> >bends over really, really far and lets the bigots have their 
> >way with him.  

...

>the personal point is simple enough.  i want to be liked, too.  i want
>this a lot, i admit it.
(Hey, Arnold!  You're liked!)

>                                    but by saying, "hey, you like
>me, so would you please see to it that everyone like me has the
>same rights that you have?"?  

Here in Oregon we have ample evidence of the emptiness of this theory.
The bigots supporting the 'abnormal behaviors inititive' *do*not*care*
if you are Mr. Butch.  Yes, they use the scare tapes of gay pride
parades in their propaganda.  BUT, their objective is clear:  bash
lesbians and gays.  Not just the ones who challenge gender
stereotypes.

I find it hard to believe that someone could confuse the scare
propaganda with the (completely clear and openly stated) agenda
against those they (the fundies) don't like.

(By the way, for those of you [not Melinda or Arnold] who might think
that this is just a bunch of Oregon crackpots:  Lon Mabon, the
leader of the effort, was quoted as saying "It won't matter, anyway,
in two years we will have similar laws in 75-90% of all states" in
response to charges that the law will cause a loss of business to the
state.  Talk about 'agendas'.)

The whole issue isn't *like* it's *tolerance*, or lack thereof.

This whole point was summed up in an article in a major newspaper about
two women in Springfield, Oregon (where a city ordinance prohibiting
protection of gays and lesbians was passed).  One, the OCA supporter,
made a number of complimentary comments about her (lesbian) opponent in
the fight.  Apparently, the OCA supporter just couldn't get a clue that
she was fighting not to win a point, but to legislate her opponent out
of existence.

Note that I am not addressing the issue of retaining any shred of
personal integrity after you follow the Tom course, but pointing
out that it simply doesn't work.

>arnold (so frustrated with this stuff he hasn't told a single story)

Ha!  What an obvious plea for story requests. (Please, Arnold, please...)


Rick
(who has looked Hatred in the eye, and since I was on a *big* *black*
motorcycle at the time, I must have been butch - at least, that's
what JoJo says)
rickc@agora.rain.com
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Sim? status?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:04:19 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, julie@hood.nrl.navy.mil (Julie Hood) wrote:
>I've been trying to call Sim for daze now and get no answer.
>I *have* been able to get through to some other South Floridians...
>The phones *do* work but there is no electricity; the National Guard
>is all over the place with machine guns protecting banks and jewelry
>stores that lost windows; the University of Miami marine lab
>(where I'm supposed to start work October 1 - yah, right!) is trashed,
>no doubt.

Hey, Julie, come on down to work October 1.  Oddly enough both our work
places survived, yours better than mine.  We had 4 1/2 feet of water at
its highest, our anemometer cut off at 100 kts.  We lost a skylight and
the airconditioner is gone, so I won't have to work for awhile.

>It is/was out on a key next to Key Biscayne, across the street
>from Sim's NOAA lab. We're gonna make the queerest lunch buddies!!!
>I hope Sim and Daivd and the bunny are ok...

And the kitties and the bird.  All of us are fine, except for nicks, scratches,
and bruises.  Daivd is so butch with a hammer.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: "fuck"
Date: 03 Sep 92 19:47:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
) I cannot remember the origin of this (it may have been my friend Gary), but
) a funny and accurate (at least for me) observation was made: when swearing,
) "shit" is used for mental pain, whereas "fuck" is used for physical pain.

) Which leads me to wonder: if I accidentally severed my penis, would I utter
) a non-stop stream of, "shitfuckshitfuckshitfuckshitfuckshitfuck... "

I find myself squeaming (squirm + scream) at the very thought
of accidentally severing my penis.

Anyway, is that "shitfuck shitfuck shitfuck shitfuck shitfuck..."
or "fuckshit fuckshit fuckshit fuckshit fuckshit..."?

I can't produce a non-stop stream of "...ckshitfuckshitfuckshitfu..."
without saying one or the other.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Date: 03 Sep 92 20:09:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group
Distribution: usa

In article <2AA43B35.13060@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
[deletions]
>
>I can't quite carry this analogy further without it melting, so I'll
>skip the rest of the parable and point out that by standing on the
>table over "nellyness", so to speak, you've raised the question of how
>much homophobia YOU have.  And I think (and evidently so do many

Does the Bureau of Weights and Measures have a recognized
unit for homophobia?

Could it be the helms? One helms might the amount of energy
it takes to throw a standard Gideon bible at one nelly queen
from some standard hissy-fitting distance.

We would then have kilohelmses and megahelmses.

Might we say that a centihelms equalled one sargon?

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: What is virginity?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:05:53 GMT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>> Has anyone else wondered what role orgasms might play in determining if
>> you're a virgin or not?
>It shot across my mind.

I've thought about this a lot lately, but usually in spurts.
Really, I don't mean to gush on...

jeff - who probably shouldn't have horn[y]ed in on this thread.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Shakers
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:39:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug28.163957.9939
Organization: insert anything here

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>I'm surprised that no one has reminded Bob Sarver that all those
>nice, considerate, well-behaved Shakers are dead.

	Well, OF COURSE They are, silly!  Look at *how well* they
aren't flaunting their religious in everyone elses face.`


	I'm sure that B.S. thinks we would do so kmuch better
following their lead...

BBC
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