From: wrobboy@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (William Robboy)
Subject: Re: minor list corrections
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:26:44 GMT

Elizabeth Adams writes:

>1. Did Camile Paglia really come out?  (She was VERY hostile to lesbians
>in a recent issue of Vanity Fair--saying we were ugly and dumpy, etc.)

A couple of nights ago the Canadian radio show "As It Happens" broadcast
a talk, or part of it, that Paglia gave to some feminist group in New York.
In the course of it she said she found it preposterous that people call her
anti-women when she's been openly lesbian for 25 years.

Bill Robboy	wrobboy@umaxc.weeg.ucsd.edu	blawlrwy@uiamvs.bitnet

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From: anderj2@rpi.edu
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:07:06 -0400
Subject: My experience on the Donahue show

Hello all,

Yes, Derrick and I were on the Donahue show about homosexual interracial
couples taped on Tuesday, Oct. 13 at 1pm - 2pm.  However, we were not on
the stage.  Actually, we did not get to say much.  It is very hard to catch
Phil as he frantically runs around the audience.  When we had something to
say, he would be on the other end of the audience.  We did have front-row
seats, so I would guess we got a lot of camera coverage.  We are the couple
that mentions that we are from Nashville.  As for the show as a whole, I
was somewhat disappointed.  The show became a free-for-all, including
topics such as AIDS, politics, GLAAD, and the NY Post (one of the guests on
stage is a Post reporter).  I realized just how good it is to have a
microphone on your shirt.  Then, you can interrupt whenever you want.  Oh
well, I did enjoy the all expense paid trip to the city.

As for when the show will air: In most markets it will air on Monday, Oct
19.  I would try to ask your local TV station if they are a live, same day,
or one day delay market.  If they are live or same day it will be on
Friday, Oct 16.  One day delay will be on Monday, Oct 19.  If you live in
Philadelphia, then tape all next week. :) That comes from the Donahue
people.  If you cannot find out from your TV station or TV Guide, etc.
email me the city and TV station call letters (ie, WNBC) that carries
Donahue, and I will tell you when it will be on (they gave me a list of all
carries including international).

The trip was fun.  I flew in from Albany to LaGuardia (a ridiculous 29
minute flight).  A luxury car service was waiting at the airport to take me
to the Drake for the night.  I arrived on Monday evening.  Derrick took the
Metro North, since Poughkeepsie is so close.  Probably the best part of the
trip was the meal allowance of $50 per person for dinner and $20 per person
for breakfast.  Since we did not have to be anywhere till almost noon on
Tuesday, we went to the Village.  We ate a very large and delicious dinner
at the Potbelly Stove on Christopher Street.  We then walked around and
browsed stores, etc.  Finally we went to Uncle Charlie's.  I now know that
11:30 on Columbus Day is not a good time to go. :) It is definitely a S & M
bar (Stand and Model).  After a beer, we went back to the room for quality
time (notice details left out). :)

We got up late and had room service bring our Belgium waffles for
breakfast.  The two waffles and two orange juices was a low $35 (the orange
juice was only $5.75). :) Who cares, I wasn't paying for it.  A car picked
us up to go to the NBC studios.  It was just like on David Letterman; there
were these dull white halls with young men and women waiting for guests in
NBC jackets.  We were taken to the very small Green Room to wait for the
show.  It was only when everyone else got make-up that Derrick and I found
out that we would not be on the stage.  I am upset that they did not have
the time to let us know ahead of time.  But, of course, it is not usual to
fly someone down just to be in the audience.  The people who run the show
were all very nice.  Eventually, Derrick and I were taken into the audience
to get our seats.  We are on the front row to the far right from the stage
point of view.  I was wearing a green shirt and Derrick a plaid shirt.  The
show went so fast!  And the audience is *much* smaller than I expected.
Boy, those cameras sure do tricks.  I enjoyed meeting the other guests
before and after the show.  Phil made no lasting impression. :)

Immediately after the show, we went back to the Green Room where Phil met
with us shortly.  Then, I was rushed off in a car to the airport.  I just
barely made my flight.

In short, I missed 5 classes to have less than a minute air time.  But, it
was a fun experience and I did learn some things about how deceiving a
camera can be.  They originally wanted me on because of the reaction from
my parents, but then decided that is was not pertinent to their topic.  So,
maybe they will do a show on parent's reactions.  I am sure to get on stage
with comments like "Are you still seeing that nigger boyfriend?" from my
father.

I guess the best lesson learned is to not raise your expectations too high
in advance.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:23 EST
From: DUBO5416@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Subject: The US Border patrol
X-Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

On this very day, 10/15/92, three Lesbian Students from Concordia Univ. In
Montreal were denied access to the United States at the border on Quebec (60
mi. North of Plattsburgh).  They were searched, and were found to have
literature about LesBiGays with them.  They were told this was
the reason they were denied entry to this wonderful country of ours.
     The Plattsburgh State LGBA will be having  a Freedom rally, Co-sponsored
by the SUNY P-Burgh Center for Women's Concerns within the next two weeks,
before the elections.  We will not only discuss this problem, but Oregon's
Measure Nine, As well as similar actions in the other states it is proposed in,
And Pro-Choice as well as other relevant topics.  The rally will be open to
anyone in the area who would like to come.  I will post details as they are
available.
  If anyone is on any other lists and could forward this please do.
Thank You,
Dan DuBoff
Co-chair, LGBA
SUNY Plattsburgh
DUBO5416

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From: Paul Bobbitt <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Date: 	Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:00:00 -0400
Subject: gaynet digest volume 0 is

UG>   i'm sorry this has been so verbose and soap-boxy.  i mean no
UG>offense to various candidate-supporters, but the debate made me
UG>very depressed about the entire system, the entire media, the
UG>entire society.  if the intelligence of the electorate is really
UG>represented by ABC's six respondents, i'd rather be in canada,
UG>thanks.

Hmm.  Get back to us after the October 26th Referendum.  We should know
if Canada will still exist by then.

Paul D. Bobbitt
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Date: 15 Oct 92 11:21:02 U
From: "CJones" <cjones@wylbur.physci.ucla.edu>
Subject: Laettner Signs Contract

 Subject:  Laettner Signs Contract
I almost missed this story in today's sports section.  All they wanted to talk
about were those darn playoffs!  Since the A's got knocked out by Toronto, I
guess I won't be able to see Oakland's adorable second-baseman, Lance
Blankenship anymore.  And the Pirates looked like they learned to play from my
beloved Dodgers.  But I digress...

Here's the important news:

   Christian Laettner became the highest-paid player in Minnesota Timberwolves'
history Wednesday when he signed a six-year, $21.6-million contract in
Minneapolis.
   Ed Tiryakian, one of Laettner's agents, said the Duke All-American (oh boy!)
will make $2.1 million as a rookie, with the salary increasing annually.  He
will make $5 million in the contract's final year.  All money is guaranteed.
   Laettner will travel with the Timberwolves to Grand Forks, N.D., for
tonight's exhibition operner against the New Jersey Nets.  He was the third
pick overall in the draft.

Anyone looking for a rich husband?

________     Chad Jones
\      /     Department Computer Geek
 \    /      UCLA Department of Physiological Science
  \  /       cjones@physci.ucla.edu
   \/        (310) 825-6528

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Date: 15 Oct 92 14:23:00 EST
From: "GEOFFREY SCHRAMM" <gschramm@gmuvax.gmu.edu>
Subject: Stressed Out, But Great Hair

Hellow Fellow Technoqueers,
	I'm really sorry that I was unable to meet up with the group at the
Vigil on Saturday. It just wasn't going to happen. I did manage to take place
in the vigil, as well as the ACT-UP NY demonstration on Sunday. Just one thing
concerning the whole event: what was Liza's damage? I mean the whole Lord's
Prayer thing was just too much for even me! Give it up, honey!
	My mother, of all people, just informed me the other day that one of
the twins that played Tabitha on _Bewtiched_ has recently come out of the
closet! Has anybody heard this? And, while we're on the topic, is the Elizabeth
Montgomery which narrates the just released film concerning the Panama cover-up
the one from _Bewitched_? When did she become Ms. Political?
	Also, Vince Clarke from _Erasure_ is not queer (at least the last time
I heard). I had the pleasure of having a beer with Andy Bell at Dakota's
(god, spring of 1990.. that bar is now defunct) and he told me, in the
strictest of confidence (of course), that Vince is straight. Oh well...
	I'll also be willing to get together for the April March (?) on
Washington. DC is a rather small city, but we'll make the most of it.

	I gotta go prostitute myself to some more graduate schools. Academia
for sale... if you'd like to try my wares...pay my graduate school fare.

				Rave On,
			Mary Tyler Moore's Evil Queeny Sibling
				(geoffrey)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:45:17 CDT
From: Terence P. Ma <tpm@Anat.UMSMed.Edu>
Subject: LBG Scientists

Well, I am out. I have been out since 1988. It is well known to many
scientist colleagues that I am Gay. However, I should point out that I
know of a number of Gay scientists who are out and "pushed" their
sexuality into the consciousness of other scientists. For some reason,
whenever that has happened, their grant applications were never quite
good enough to get funded in these difficult times. No overt
homophobia, but frightening all the same when my entire livelihood is
based on my ability to get funding so I can do research.

Tere
--
Terence P. Ma, Ph.D.		Department of Anatomy
VOICE:	   601-984-1654		University of Mississippi Med. Ctr.
FAX:	   601-984-1655		2500 North State Street
INTERNET:  tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU	Jackson, MS 39216-4505

- > If it were easy, some one would have done it already. Anon. <--

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:00:22 -0700
From: Jodi Naas <naas@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Salem is burning? I hope not

We've heard rumors here that a gay man and a lesbian were burned
to death in Salem, OR. I hope this is not true. Does anyone have
any information? If it's true I'm going down there to raise some
hell.

Thanks

Jodi Naas
University of Washington

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:39:56 -0500
From: Bryant Hudson <mzpa@utdallas.edu>
Subject:      Robert Williams

The Rev. Robert Williams has recently written a book titled, "Just As I Am."
In his words, for "queer Christians."  Published by Harper and Row.
Worth reading.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:54:17 MST
From: "Gabriel (in New Mexico)" <G9348712@NMSUVM1.NMSU.EDU>
Subject:      for Fintan and Burt

Fintan:
    Provide, please, a phone number to call for _Science_ magazine, so I
can at least grouse (and others of us can, too).  Thanks.

Burt:
    In teaching Psychology and including queer issues, you might include
the report on the Youth Suicide task force of the Federal Govt.  (the report
since denounced by Secy Sullivan because it would have parents accept their
teenage queer kids rather than have the kids commit suicide).  It is useful,
of course, for non-queer reasons as well, since suicide is not confined to
young fags and dykes.


Gabriel (in New Mexico)

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From: daphne@mills.edu (Sarah Broadwell)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:16:26 -0700
Subject: The blond song

I believe the song that rob wanted to know the artist of which he quoted
  >"and i want to be a veterinarian because i really love children"
(awful sentance, I know! Appologies to those who can't bear it)

anyway the song was written by julie brown (i'm fairly sure) aka
"downtown julie brown" and is from the soundtrack of _Earth Girls Are
Easy_

other wonderful lines include
"I can't spell VW, so I drive a Porsche"


I can't remember any others off hand. But the movie is wonderful, and
I highly recommend it.
--sarah

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Subject: Final text of California's AB-2601
From: rodney@oxy.edu (Rodney J. Hoffman)
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:36:53 PST

For those completists among you who can't get enough of California politics,
here's the official text of AB-2601, as signed.  It *is* slightly different
than it was when it was first introduced.  The key sentence is this:

  [The Labor Code] "prohibit[s] discrimination or different
  treatment in any aspect of employment or opportunity for
  employment based on actual or perceived sexual orientation."

with lots of qualifications and exemptions and with no criminal penalty for
violation.

The whole bill is so short (for a law, anyway), that I thought I'd type
it all in.

  -- Rodney Hoffman
     rodney@oxy.edu

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		  Assembly Bill No. 2601

		       CHAPTER 915

An act to add Section 1102.1 to the Labor Code, relating to employment.

	[Approved by Governor September 25, 1992.  Filed with
	      Secretary of State September 25, 1992.]

		  LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

AB 2601, T. Friedman.  Employment: discrimination: sexual orientation.

Existing statutory law prohibits employers from making, adopting, or
enforcing any policy that tends to control or direct the political
activities or affiliations of employees.  It also prohibits employers
from coercing, influencing, or attempting to coerce or influence
employees to adopt or follow or refrain from adopting or following
any particular line of political activity by threatening a loss of
employment.  Existing court decisions, for purposes of the above
provisions, recognize that actions of homosexuals for equal rights,
including actions in the field of employment, are political activity
within the above statutory provisions and are protected from the
adverse policies of employers and prospective employers.

This bill would codify the above court decisions and would specify
that the above statutory provisions prohibit discrimination or
different treatment in any aspect of employment or opportunity for
employment based on actual or perceived sexual orientation.  It would
provide that this prohibition shall apply to any person regularly
employing 5 or more persons or any person acting as an agent of an
employer, as specified, but it would not apply to a religious
association or corporation not organized for private profit, whether
incorporated as a religious or public benefit corporation.


The people of the State of California do enact as follows:

SECTION 1.  The purpose of this act is to codify the court decisions
in Gay Law Students v. Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, 24 Cal. 3d 458
(1979) and Soroka v. Dayton Hudson Corp., 235 Cal. App. 3d 654 (1991)
prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation.  Because this
act codifies existing law and practice by the Labor Commissioner and
adds exemptions for small employers and religious organizations that
are not exempt under existing law, it is the intent of the Legislature
that this act shall not increase state costs beyond what existing law
and practice require.

SEC. 2.  Section 1102.1 is added to the Labor Code, to read:

1102.1. (a) Sections 1101 and 1102 prohibit discrimination or different
treatment in any aspect of employment or opportunity for employment
based on actual or perceived sexual orientation.

(b) For purposes of this section:

(1) "Employer" as used in this chapter includes any person regularly
employing five or more persons, or any person acting as an agent of an
employer, directly or indirectly, including the state or any political
subdivision of the state.

(2) "Employer" as used in this chapter does not include a religious
association or corporation not organized for private profit, whether
incorporated as a religious or public benefit corporation.

(c) Nothing in this section shall invalidate any marital status
classification that is otherwise valid.

(d) Nothing in this section shall require or permit the use of quotas
or other such affirmative action.

(e) Nothing in this section shall interfere with whatever existing
rights an employer has to base employment actions on the commission
of conduct illegal in California.

(f) Section 1103 on criminal penalties shall not apply to a violation
of this section.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:22:59 -0700
From: jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: Another deletion from OutList; alternatives to GCN

Carl "Spitz" Channel is dead, so should not be
on list of the Out and Alive.

Another Boston queer rag is "Bay Windows" at
1523 Washington St., Boston, MA 02118; 617-266-6670.

Or try the Washington Blade, 724 9th St. NW, 8th Flr.,
Washington DC 20001; phone=202-347-2038;
 fax=202-393-6510.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:37:26 -0700
From: jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: Gender Logic; also male-male domestic violence

In addition to Carol Gilligan's "In a Different Voice" there
is a series of works by Deborah Tannen, one of which was
on NYT bestseller list for ages.  Based, methinks, on her
PhD. work, Tannen's books deal with the fundamentally
different ways men and women speak and hear.  In
other words, we structure our communication
differently.

Domestic Violence Male/Male
        contact MOVE (Men Overcoming
Violen........); executive director is gay
man named James Shattuck. 415-626-6683.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:11 EDT
From: "Tina M. W." <MAIRE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
Subject: MCC Portland, and venting my frustrations...

Someone on here said that they had heard that MCC in Portland OR
had been torched.  The story I read on soc.motss was that it was
broken into, and the only thing stolen was the membership list.
When other LGB groups' lists were stolen before, people on the
lists received harrassing phone calls and death threats.  Lovely.

And now for my local frustrations.  I was at a friend's house
earlier, and he got a call from a mutual friend of ours, a gay
15-year-old who lives in a rural area near here (but not near
enough).  The caller (I will call him D.) was in tears because
his mother discovered a letter from his gay penpal and confronted
him about being gay.  She forbid him from seeing or talking to his
boyfriend, said all kinds of nebulous negative things, and is going
to talk to her (fundamentalist) preacher about the situation.  She
is not dealing well w/it at all.  My friend and I both talked to D
and tried to reassure him that things will get better, that D can
come stay w/friends here if he needs to, etc.  We gave him names
of books to suggest to his mother.  After his first call, we
immediately mobilized as many resources as we could:  I called the
coordinator of the local LGB helpline to make sure someone would
be on the line for D to talk to tonight, and I called the
coordinator of P-FLAG to see if we could get some literature
to send.  My friend called D's boyfriend to explain the situation
to him, and called a couple of other people.  We basically did
everything we could.  Still, listening to D cry was so emotionally
exhausting, and thinking about his parents' attitudes just makes
me feel so angry and helpless!  My friend and I had just done a
presentation for our LGB speakers' bureau at a class of 100 at
the University today.  I know our stories made a difference to
*them*; I just wish someone had told D's mother a story about
16 years ago to make a difference to *her*.  And knowing that
this saga is being repeated all over the place, over and over,
just frustrates me to no end.  Don't ever get complacent, even
those of you who live in the more tolerant big cities.  As Cat
Stevens said, "Don't ever look behind at the work you've done,
for your work has just begun....."

Exhausted,
Tina M. W.
maire@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
maire@drycas.bitnet

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