From: OMARS@auvm.american.edu
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Subject: Re: interview with Gulbadeen Hikmat Yar (fwd)
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:54:17 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

From: hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hasan Yetim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: interview with Gulbadeen Hikmat Yar (fwd)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 12:10:21 -0600


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There are many ways in which one can start a debate or discussion on the merits
(if any) and/or flaws of Hasan Yetim's posting and its content e.g., the
propagandist intent, the character rehabilitation factor, the justification
opportunity, the facts vs. BS sheet, the pretentious self-righteousness, the
historical disregard or even the shoddy translation and text composition...
but what caught my attention and, honestly, made me laugh really hard and
loud is the mere fact that they term this an INTERVIEW!

It is an insult to the readers of this group, or any other group, to label
this charade as a journalistic undertaking. Brother Mirza didn't really have
to bother and travel all the way to the Hekmatyar HQ in Char Asiab to come
out with this "Award Winning" masterpiece. All he had to do was go to his
nearest Hezb-i Islami office, ask for some party litterature, pamphlets and
handouts, and just quote the slogans/formulas for us. At least the official
texts use better syntax and structure.

What a waste of Mirza's time and energy! Going all the way to Char Asiab
to meet none other than the Khalifa himself, and he comes back empty-handed.
At least to me that's empty-handed. You know why? because it's journalistically
inconceivable to be PREDISPOSED for such a task. Just look at the line and
style of questioning. Now, seriously brethren...how much credibility does
Mirza's piece hold in the eyes of an average reader?
The only people who give it credence are yourselves....clapping for yourselves,
bowing for yourselves, cheering yourselves, complementing yoursleves....

Such an insular world.

Wahlikom-As-salam


Once more here is the Mirza masterpiece for your reading pleasure:
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>Assalam-o-alaikum

>    Here is Interview of Brother  Gulbadeen  Hikmat Yar. This interview was
>taken by Muhammad Javed Mirza on 10th of October in CHAHAR ASIAB near Kabul.
>He mailed me the copy of that interview and I am reproducing it.

>Shaukat Ali Bhatti
>_________________________________
>Sbhatti@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu



          Bismillah -hir- rahman-ir-raheem

>Q.  After the fall of Najeeb's  government, the media
>controlled by the U.S. and its stooges in the Muslim
>World gave the impression that the Jihad in Afghanis-
>tan is over (probably Jihad was meant to remove Comm-
>unists and not to establish an  Islamic  government).
>Peshawar  Accord was portrayed as a smooth transition
>from  communism to  an  Islamic  State.  However, the
>events  after the  Najeeb's  fall  have  shocked many
>simple muslims. They label it as a fight of a brother
>with other brother.  In the New World Order, you have
>been labelled as a terrorist because you stand against
>their interests.  Would you  please  elaborate on the
>events after Najeeb's fall?  Specifically:
>What is Peshawar Accord?  Was there any compulsion in
>this accord ?  And have you broken the peace truce or
>as it done by other parties?  And why the two govern-
>ments have failed to remove the ex-communists from the
>power?

>Hikmat Yar: As you know that enemies of Islam are not
>willing  to  see  any  true Islamic State, especially
>established by  Mujahideen  and through  Jihad.  When
>they thought that now the  communist regime of Najeeb
>is going to  fall and the  Mujahideen will take over,
>they tried to stop the Mujahideen from establishing an
>Islamic  State in  Afghanistan  through their conspi-
>racies.  They are trying that the communist party, and
>especially the generals should remain in power.  They
>should  bring  these  elements  together with some so
>called Mujahideen parties in alliance.  They were aim-
>ing that within this alliance the army generals of the
>ex-communist  regime will be the main force  and they
>can keep these elements in power, just the outer shape
>of  this  regime  will  be changed and some so called
>Mujahideen will enter the government.  But after  few
>months, within this alliance these Mujahideen  groups
>will also be weakened and parties outside the alliance
>will not be able to remain an armed force.  The comm-
>unist  elements  will  strengthen  their position and
>finally, they will be able to take over the power once
>again.  Unfortunately, they were able to convince some
>Mujahideen parties to  enter this alliance.  This was
>decided in their central committee.
>     The communist party was divided into two groups.
>One of them was  insisting  that the  power should be
>transferred to  Mujahideen and government established
>by Mujahideen or government established by U.N. thro-
>ugh negotiations with Mujahideen parties. The second
>group was in favor of an alliance. Most of the generals
>were in favor of that, especially followers of Babrak
>Karmal, including  Rasheed Dostum,  general commander
>of militia forces.  But the force was in the hands of
>this group and they were able to disarm those  people
>who were insisting a transfer of power to Mujahideen-
>Najeeb was  also one  of them.  They  started sending
>their troops to Kabul, the alliance troops,  while we
>were negotiating in Peshawar- to have an interim gov-
>ernment.  Our proposal was that we should have an in-
>terim government of the people acceptable to all  for
>the power to be  transferred  to  elected government.
>While we were negotiating in Peshawar with other par-
>ties, this  conspiracy was going on in  Kabul and the
>troops of that alliance were coming to Kabul. We left
>Peshawar and enter Afghanistan to this conspiracy. We
>threaten the government that if  power is not  trans-
>ferred to Mujahideen government, we will attack them.
>Finally, they were force to transfer the power to the
>interim arrangements of Mujahideen.  As you know that
>on 25th of April, Kabul was captured by Mujahideen of
>Hizbi-Islami.  That day we announced at once that now
>all the  Mujahideen parties should  come together and
>work  for peace, and we  invite  Mujahideen's interim
>government to  come and  take over.  We don't want to
>impose the  government of  our  party by force on our
>nation.  We wanted to file this  conspiracy and power
>to be  transferred to  Mujahideen's government.  Now,
>the government of  Najeeb is finished, we  invite the
>interim leadership to come and takeover and we respect
>Peshawar Accord.  But the  communist generals  wanted
>that the main power should remain in their hands. They
>started fighting the next day.  This was the starting
>point of  new clashes in Afghanistan.  After that the
>clashes are going on in Afghanistan.  We  do not want
>to impose the  government of our choice by force upon
>our people.   We want  that such circumstances should
>be created in which our nation should be able to det-
>ermine their future.   They  should have a government
>of their own choice - no governments to be imposed on
>tanks - coup d'etat or through conspiracies.  This is
>all what we want.
>    Now,  we insist  that  all Militia troops should
>withdraw from Kabul and the communist elements should
>be removed from the government. All army units of the
>previous regime should be finished and a  new Islamic
>army should be  established.  An  interim arrangement
>should be made through negotiations among our Mujahi-
>deen parties and through a council in which people of
>all districts are  represented and  within six months
>elections  to be  held and power to be transferred to
>elected government.  This is all what we insist.
>     There were  lots of  agreements.  Unfortunately,
>other side has not respected these agreements. Pesha-
>war Accord,  then an  agreement between us and Jamiat
>Islami - after that the decisions of peace committee.
>All of these supported  our  position, e.g. the peace
>committee  has  announced their decision that militia
>troops  should be removed from Kabul and all units of
>previous army  should be dissolved and the  communist
>elements should be  removed from the government.  The
>security of  Kabul city  should be  arranged by Kabul
>Jihadi Council - Mujahideen of Kabul.
>     We support all and ask the other side to respect
>them.  The  peace committee  decided  that within one
>week after the agreement was signed, the withdrawal of
>militia should start from Kabul.  But  unfortunately,
>until  now  no troops have been  removed  from Kabul.
>This is our position. We respect all the accords, all
>the  agreements and  ask other side  to respect them.
>Actually, this  was a  conspiracy against Mujahideen.
>Those who are not willing to see  an Islamic State in
>Afghanistan- Mujahideen ruling the country- are behind
>his conspiracy.  As  you see in all eastern European
>countries, after the fall of Soviet Union, all commu-
>nist governments have finished, all communist parties
>dissolved.  But  here  in  the  Islamic Republics  as
>Turkistan,  Tajakistan,  Uzbakistan,  Kazakistan  and
>ther Islamic Republics, previous governments are rul-
>ing, communist parties are ruling as nothing has happ-
>ened.  Western  mass media are  not talking about it.
>Why still the communist party is  ruling these count-
>ries.  Why  no change  and the  previous system here.
>America is supporting these communist parties.  Inst-
>ead of  Islamic governments  in these Republics, they
>want communists to remain there.  The  Muslim Freedom
>Fighters in Tajakistan are accusing the American that
>they are supporting the communist party even by weap-
>ons.  They are saying that we have captured some wea-
>pons not Russian made and America is supporting comm-
>unist party against us.  Here  in Afghanistan, we are
>facing the same problem.  The  Western mass media  is
>completely  propagating in favor of  militia forces.
>Now, they  have been  termed to be  freedom fighters,
>democratic forces  and  they are  talking against us,
>propagating against us - We are  causing  instability
>in Afghanistan, arms  struggle while these people who
>were  fighting  our nation for fourteen years and are
>still behind tanks are in fact causing war in Afghan-
>istan.   America is  afraid of  an  Islamic State  in
>Afghanistan and through Mujahideen.  They want insta-
>bility to continue, fighting to continue and even they
>are ready to see previous communist party to  rule in
>Afghanistan.  This is all what is going on is Afghan-
>istan.

>Q:  You  have a  very  just stand, as we have seen in
>Algeria that even the choice of the people was  over-
>turned by the army.  In the CIA documents it is writ-
>ten that if America cannot get its work done by popu-
>lar government, they always bring the army.  So, they
>want to play the same game in Afghanistan.  The point
>is that why  Ustad Rabbani  has failed to  understand
>this point?

>Hikmat Yar:  Unfortunately, I should say that  either
>Ustad Rabbani is not aware of all these facts and does
>not understand what is going on or he has decided  to
>get into power through conspiracies and he has enter-
>ed in this alliance with communists.  He is insisting
>that they should remain in Kabul, while he has agreed
>several times and has signed documents  that  militia
>should withdraw from Kabul.  He is still not fulfill-
>ing his responsibilities and is saying that  we  want
>to delay the withdrawal of militia troops from  Kabul
>while he himself is saying that people were waging  a
>coup de ta (spelling?) against him.  He is not  in  a
>position to disclose the names of these generals  and
>at a proper time he will disclose them.  He  is  also
>saying that during  his  last  fighting  one  of  the
>generals of Rasheed Dostum, by the  name  of  General
>Majeed called upon him by telephone saying that Rash-
>eed Dostum has sent a convoy of 18,000 soldiers  with
>100 tanks from Mazar and part of this convoy has rea-
>ched Jabali-Sirat, 80 km North of Kabul and  he  said
>he opposed this convoy to enter Kabul.  This is  very
>strange that without President and  Defence  Minister
>be informed such a huge convoy is moving from 300 km.
>reaching 80 km. from Kabul.  Only then the  President
>and Defence Minister us informed that 18,000 soldiers
>will enter Kabul tomorrow.  Only at that time Presid-
>ent opposed this.  I said who is  the  President  and
>who is the Defence Minister, Rasheed Dostum  or  you?
>He can send 18,000 soldiers and 100 tanks without in-
>forming the Defence Minister or President and Presid-
>ent himself is opposing this.  It means that actually
>they are ruling this country. Power is in their hands
>and how they will be willing to transfer the power to
>Mujahideen's hands? We are willing that Ustad Rabbani
>to be the President - a true President with power  in
>his hands.  The militia forces to be disarmed -  this
>is what we are insisting in.  Ustad Rabbani is  still
>with that alliance  and  insists  that  these  troops
>should remain in Kabul.

>Q.  One objection is that Khalq  group  of  Communist
>have joined Hizb-e-Islami, while Parcham is  with  the
>other party.  You are opposing because of ethnic prob-
>lems.  What is the true story?

>Hikmat Yar:  Actually we are saying all ex-communists
>should be removed from government, not those who have
>joined Ustad Rabbani or Jamiat.  We  are  saying  all
>militia troops should be disarmed and a  new  Islamic
>army should be established.  This is our  stand, this
>is what we are asking for. There is lot of difference
>between some people joining individually with Mujahi-
>deen and getting advantage of amnesty and  making  an
> alliance with them, and accepting them as a party in
>an alliance. We say we have announced general amnesty
>for all those who have  worked  with  previous  Kabul
>government.  They can take advantage of this  amnesty
>but they cannot stay as a power and should not remain
>as an armed force or as a political party.  What they
>have done in the past is sufficient and  they  should
>not ask more than general amnesty. We have no object-
>ion to joining of individuals to any  party.  But  we
>are against alliance, coalition or remain as an armed
>force or a party in the government- this is our objec-
>tion.  We have many people with us.  We have accepted
>them as individuals because we have announced general
>amnesty.
>
>Q.  There are many changes in Pakistan  Army  and  it
>came in American newspapers -  specifically  the  ISI
>incharge- Major General Javed Nasir, who has  put  in
>this position to toe in the American line - i.e.  the
>NWO (New World Order).  He  met  Dostum  and  it  was
>announced by Pakistan government that  Br. Hikmat Yar
>is a terrorist.  These changes at  the  global  level
>should reflect the conspiracy against this country -
>the Muslim land.  Why Ustad Rabbani and  others,  who
>are good Muslims do not understand these simple things?
>
>Hikmat Yar:  I should say that I do not want to inter-
>fere in the internal affairs of Pakistan.  We want to
>have good relations with our Pakistani  brothers  and
>we want peace and stability in the brotherly  country
>- Pakistan.
>
>Q.  You pray that they should get  out  of  this  NWO
>(New World Order).
>
>Hikmat Yar:  Yes, we are praying for  that.  Pakistan
>should be a truly Islamic State, free of the  influ-
>ence of the enemies of Islam, and true Muslims to rule
>Pakistan.  It will be very strange that Pakistani bro-
>thers who are once saying that we  are  freedom  figh-
>ters, Mujahideens - to  please  Bush  are  calling  us
>terrorists.  Those are actually  the followers of Ame-
>rica.  Any Muslim in the world  in  their  eyes  is  a
>terrorist.  They are afraid of America more than Allah.

>Q.  About the future of  Afghanistan.  The  capitalist
>system, when they  cannot  get  their  wished  secured
>through threats and attacks, they use economic  power.
>World Bank,IMF and Asian Bank are the tools which they
>employ to impose their terms on the  governments.  How
>do you see that the future government  in  Afghanistan
>will not come under this trap?
>Hikmat Yar:  The capitalist system is also dead and has
>failed to solve the human problems  and  the  Communism
>have also finished.  It is the time of Islam  and  just
>Islam can solve the problems of  humanity.  We  believe
>that we will be able to have a  strong  Afghanistan - a
>self reliant Afghanistan.  We are not in favor of loans
>and this is how the  countries  loose  their  freedoms.
>Instead of loans we will invite the people to invest in
>Afghanistan.  We will ask the Islamic  countries,  they
>have the resources. If they could have good governments
>who are thinking of the future of their people and their
>own countries. Unfortunately, at present we do not have
>such  governments. Most of our money is invested in the
>West.  They are using this money to influence our coun-
>tries.  American Banks are running with  the  money  of
>the rich people of the Islamic World.  We  will  invite
>the Muslims to invest in Afghanistan.
>
>Q.  There are many educated, sincere Muslims who  would
>like to participate in the rebuilding of Islamic Afgha-
>nistan.  How would you facilitate  their  participation
>in this struggle?
.
>Hikmat Yar:  They are welcome.  They should come.  Afgh-
>anistan is their country. They should help us to rebuild
>Islamic Afghanistan.  We invite all of them.  They  will
>not have the problem of Passport and  Visa.  Afghanistan
>will be the country for  each Muslim.

>End of Interview