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From: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dan Fandrich)
Subject: Long ISO 9660 file names & compatibility with MSCDEX
Keywords: ISO 9660,Rock Ridge,MSCDEX
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, eh?
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 10:33:28 GMT

What is the best way to organize an ISO 9660 CD-ROM with long file names
(up to 16 characters) such that MS-DOS systems can read the files as easily
as *nix and other systems that support long file names?  

MSCDEX apparently `support[s]...31 Character File Names when possible
through truncation'.  That's nice, but won't do for a set of files
like `big_name_file1' and `big_name_file2'.  Sure, I could rename them
to ensure uniqueness in the first 11 characters, but then the long filename 
crowd has to suffer too.

It seems like there will have to be two sets of file names on the disc.  A 
hierarchy like this would solve the problem:

+---long
|   +---long_name_dir1
|   |       big_name_file1   <----  This file is a duplicate
|   |       big_name_file2       |     
|   \---long_name_dir2           |
|           another_long         |
|           another_long.sh      |
\---short                        |
    +---shrtdir1                 |
    |       bignamfl.1       <----  of this one
    |       bignamfl.2
    \---shrtdir2
            anotlong
            anotlong.sh

Long name systems would always go through the /long directory to access 
files, while MS-DOS (and other 8.3 name systems) would go through the /short
directory.  Unless ISO 9660 supports linked files, this would require two
copies of every file on the disk.  This reduces the effective capacity of
the disc to ~330 MB, which is still plenty.

Now, a few questions.  First, is there a better way?  If not, can *nix 
systems mount a CD-ROM from the /long directory, rendering the /short 
directory inaccessible but reducing confusion?  It it legal in ISO 9660 to 
cross-link files so only a single copy of each file's data exists on the 
disc?

How do the Rock Ridge extensions relate to this?  What advantage do they 
have and how do they affect operation with MSCDEX?

Thanks for any insight.

>>> Dan
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: vincea@cix.compulink.co.uk (Vince Apps)
Subject: Compton's New Media                     
Cc: vincea@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: vincea@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:17:00 +0000

Does anyone have a phone or fax number for Compton's New Media?  The only
address I have is Solana Beach CA.

Vince

vincea@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: euan_s@bunyip.atnf.csiro.au (Euan Troup)
Subject: SCSI cd-rom walkabout
Keywords: Mac SCSI cd-rom
Reply-To: etroup@atnf.csiro.au
Organization: Australia Telescope, Parkes Radio Observatory.
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 22:33:36 GMT



Hi,
	I have a SCSI cd-rom drive which I want to use as a peripatetic
peripheral. It's been used successfully on DOS-based and VMS-based systems.
I'd like to be able to use it on a Mac as well. Is there a difference between
Mac-SCSI and real SCSI (i.e. is the hardware compatible)? Do I need to get
device drivers for the Mac? I've tried plugging the drive into a Mac in place
of a Rodime external drive, but the Mac showed no signs of recognising the
drive. The drive is made by Matsushita, according to the SCSI inquiry.
	Any suggestions?

thanks,

Euan Troup,	etroup@atnf.csiro.au	Australia Telescope, Parkes Observatory
..mostly harmless			Disclaimer: I frame no hypotheses.

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: fieldd@cuug.ab.ca (Dan Field (@Eucart Consulting Inc) 239-3958)
Subject: interesting problem playing audio cd
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:05:05 GMT


When I try to play the Van Morrison/Chieftan "Irish Heartbeat" cd
on a Sparc II with standard CD drive, the entire system freezes until
the drive is turned off.  This occurs with no other disc in my collection.
It doesn't seem to matter what CD player I use either; the demos that
come with the OS or workman.  Oh yes, the disc plays just fine in
my audio-only drive.

When the disc is inserted in the drive, the activity light flickers
for a few seconds, and then everything stops.

Has anyone seen this behavior before?  What might be damaged on the
disc that the software is looking for yet wouldn't affect normal operations
in an audio-only drive?

    Dan Field
From: dragon@angus.mi.org (John Lussmyer)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-ROM list query limitations?
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:02:17 GMT
Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

How could you do this?  They can't be keeping track of the number of
queries on the CD.  You could probably get around a query limit by just
deleting and re-installing the query software.

--
John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
From: belgrado@mble.philips.be (Jan Belgrado)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re : Reading CD-I
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:52:27 MEWT
Organization: MBLE , Brussels, Belgium

Hi,

A CD-I has a mode 2 form1/form2 track on the disc.
This is an interleaved track ( the data, audio and video are mixed
in one and the same track.) 
Since a CD-I player is a computer ( it has a CPU and an operating system ) you
cannot use it on a non-CD-I compatible computer. 
Also the OS of a CD-I player is a real-time OS (CD-RTOS, comes from OS/9).

The only disc that goes on CD-I and CD-ROM (XA) is a Photo-CD disc.
A Photo-CD is a "bridge" disc. It contains a mode 2 track followed by zero or
more red book audio tracks (CD-Audio).

Since this "bridge" format is also standardized (by Philips and SONY) it is possible 
the make other applications that will run on CD-I players and CD-ROM XA equipment.



-- 
Jan Belgrado
Philips Interactive Media Systems
Brussels, Belgium
Tel: +32 2 525-7788
Fax: +32 2 525-7799
belgrado@mble.philips.be
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: kevin.sonnenberg@rose.com (kevin sonnenberg)
Subject: NEC CD-ROM not workin
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:56:13 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-16-92 13:47
Help!

    I got a 486/33 a while ago and tried to get my CD-ROM drive
working with it. Well, no such luck! It loads the NECCDR.SYS fine,
but when I try to switch to that drive (h:), it tells me that the
CDROM drive is not ready. Beats me whats going on?!?!? I called NEC
and told them and they said I needed a new driver. So they sent it to
me, but It still didn't work!  The tech guy at NEC said it might be a
memory problem, but even booting up bare bones it doesn't work.
Here's my configuration if it helps:

    486DX/33
    8MB RAM, 64KB Cache
    NEC CDR-35 (ugh)
    Sound Blaster 1.0
    MS-DOS 5.0 & 4DOS 4.01
    NECT T128 SCSI Host Adapter Card

If anybody has had this problem, or has some suggestions, just drop
me a note. BTW - I had a 286/10 before and It worked fine on it.

Kevin S.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: What uses mode-2, form-2 (>2048-byte sectors)?
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:37:15 GMT


Quick question: what kinds of discs use mode-2, form-2 sectors, i.e.
where more than 2048 bytes per sector are significant?  I understand
that both Electronic Books and Photo-CD use mode-2, form-1 sectors.
If CD-i makes use of form-2 sectors, is it the only one?

The issue here is of course file system mounting and networking; it is
trivial to convert from old-style to CD-ROM/XA, but only while 2048-byte
sectors are being used, since primitive machines only support powers of 2.

Again, thanks in advance.
From: splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Any program to measure CDROM access and data transfer time?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:11:48 GMT
Organization: Public Domain Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: noel.pd.org
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Does any program exist to measure the access and data transfer times
for CDROMs? If not, perhaps someone should write one :-)

Seriously folks, how do you know that the CDROM you bought has the
performance it claims to have. We have coretest for the HD world, how
about an equivalent for CDROM drives?

So far I've been guessing about data transfer times by copying files
to NUL. Add all the files sizes, and divide by the total time, and I 
guess you get an approximation of the data transfer times. Anyone got
any ideas on how to measure average random access times?

--
Seng-Poh Lee    <splee@pd.org>
From: bheagney@amiganet.chi.il.us (Brian Heagney)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Success.. NEC CDR-84, PhotoCD, Adaptec controller
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:45:13 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

I am sorry, but I have not TOTALLY followed this thread.

Will the CDR-84 FULLY work with 0 problems with Kodak's new PHOTO CD?

Cost, and any thing needed to be done to make this work with a SCSI controller
and software!!?!?

What kind of Kodak software is out there?

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Kodak Photo-CD software
From: barbieri@cs.unitn.it (Gilberto Barbieri)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:39:31 GMT
Organization: Dipartimento Informatica

Does anyone have any information regarding the availibity of MS-DOS or 
Macintosh software to read a Photo-CD from a CD-ROM/XA player and 
save its pictures on HD as *.tif, *.pcx, *.gif, ecc?

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                         Universita' di Trento 
                           Tel. +461 882151
                      Email BARBIERI@CS.UNITN.IT
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ko@envmsa.eas.asu.edu
Subject: NEC CDR-36 for sale, $350 OBO
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:40:00 GMT

I'm considering to upgrade my CD-ROM Reader if I can sell this one:
--- It comes with Mac Interface Kit (includes Music Box DA)
    (add $50 if you need PC interface card & software)
--- 500 ms average access time
--- 150 MB/sec data transfer rate
--- 64K cache memory
--- Weighs 2.2 pounds
--- I HEARD that it can read first-session photo-CD, but I don't 
    have sample to test it yet
--- more than 5 months warranty left
--- It was a new model at the time I bought it (last June), but is 
    a little bit old now

If this is a Reader match your need please let me know. Thanks!
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: darkshot@rock.concert.net (Michael B Garrett -- Chudys)
Subject: Hitachi errors and tribulations
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:52:40 GMT

Thanks to all who helped me get the files to run the CDR-3750 under
DOS. However, it looks like it was pretty much in vain- the hitachia.sys
file will not allow an i/o address of 330H, and that's what the UNIX
system requires. (These are both Bustek boards- and the last I EVER buy)

If anyone knows of a generic CD driver than can be configured for the 
Bustek 1542 ISA and 742 EISA machines, let me know of an ftp site. I'm
going to go poking around after this post- if I find it, I'll post an
update.

Again, thanks!

'Shot

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: raju@inso.pr.net.ch (Raju Varghese)
Subject: Re: interesting problem playing audio cd
Organization: IntelliSoft, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:20:58 GMT

fieldd@cuug.ab.ca (Dan Field (@Eucart Consulting Inc) 239-3958) writes:


>When I try to play the Van Morrison/Chieftan "Irish Heartbeat" cd
>on a Sparc II with standard CD drive, the entire system freezes until
>the drive is turned off.  This occurs with no other disc in my collection.
>It doesn't seem to matter what CD player I use either; the demos that
>come with the OS or workman.  Oh yes, the disc plays just fine in
>my audio-only drive.

>When the disc is inserted in the drive, the activity light flickers
>for a few seconds, and then everything stops.

>Has anyone seen this behavior before?  What might be damaged on the
>disc that the software is looking for yet wouldn't affect normal operations
>in an audio-only drive?

Yes I noticed this with Deep Purple/Anthology. That's the only CD which
causes a freeze-up in my collection. I haven't had the time to investigate
any further. This particular CD has 13 tracks and almost 76 minutes of
music.

I have a Sparc SLC running SunOS 4.1.2.

Raju  raju@inso.pr.net.ch

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: multi-session - what's different?
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:39:03 GMT

From article <1992Dec11.085811.500@ica.philips.nl>, by adrie@ica.philips.nl (Adrie Koolen):
> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sysv386,alt.cd-rom,alt.sources
> Subject: Re: multi-session - what's different?
> Summary: 
> Expires: 
> References: <1992Dec7.052744.10907@gallant.apple.com> <david.723912671@aim1> <Bz0LJw.HB0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
> Sender: 
> Followup-To: 
> Distribution: 
> Organization: Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
> Keywords: 
> 
> In article <Bz0LJw.HB0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> peltz@cerl.uiuc.edu (Steve Peltz) writes:
>>What is it that a non-multi-session drive can't do that makes it unable
>>to read past the first session of a multi-session disk? Why can't it be
>>read just by using a different driver in the computer?
>>
>>I have read the description of the different recording formats on a disk,
>>although I'm not fluent. But I haven't seen a description of how a multi-
>>session disk is different.
> 
> It's rather difficult to explain how a multi-session CD is layed-out, but
> I'll try. Some things you might already know, so excuse me if I explain
> trivial things.

  ... Explanation of lead-in tracks containing pointer to next session.
> 
> Adrie Koolen (adrie@ica.philips.nl)
> Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, the Netherlands

  So why can't the *software* use the info in the lead-in area about
  the next session and just ask the drive to go get those tracks?
  Why must it be hardware-bound?  I thought that you could read any
  number track anywhere on the cd via the driver, without special
  hardware...

  Curious,
Max

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM Bundles
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:25:44 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.201135.12498@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, herrod@CS.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Herrod) writes:
|> When I bought my Creative Labs multimedia package, it came bundled with about
|> 6 disks. What I was wondering is if there are deals out there on similar bundles.
|> Does anyone know of companies that sell bundles without the purchase of a player?

I'm interested in the same thing.  It's kind of annoying that we can't
take advantage of any of these deals once we've purchased a drive, and
even more annoying that you have to choose between a good deal on the
drive you want and a good deal on the discs.  In my case, I'd love to
see some kind of deal from NEC for people who bought the original
CD-ROM Gallery to be able to upgrade to the Multimedia Gallery.

Of course, it does help to have companies like Walnut Creek CD-ROM
producing discs at reasonable prices.

-- 
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."You want to give me a 10-9 on that, Big Ben?"
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Did I get Sscrewed? (Is INSIGHT cheating?)
From: bruce.drake@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Bruce Drake) 
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: bruce.drake@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Bruce Drake) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

To: dh@fncrd6.fnal.gov (don husby)
Keywords: insight talon deceptive trade

Hi Don

DH>"Customer satisfaction, this is Stephanie, how can I help 
DH>you?"  I tell Stephanie...

Yes, Stephanie was the person who I eventually had to talk to to get my 
order straightened out.  But I had told them at the time that I would not 
accept any kind of refund, and that we could play "lets run up the Insight 
FedEx bill until we get it right..."  But they did give me the hard time 
about "Well, do you really need the 250MB drive?" at which point I had to 
remind them that I had purchased a 240MB hard drive that I was intending 
to use the tape unit to back up.

DH>Finally, is there anyone out there who has a TALON drive of any kind?
DH>Or, is this a trademark that Insight puts on any junk drive that they
DH>happen to have laying around?  Do you have the address of TALON, Inc?

Oh, I don't believe there has to be a company called TALON at all.  A 
TALON TA-100 drive (or a TALON anything) can be a model, title or a 
trademark.  When I called them about the tape unit, they admitted (after 
some arm twisting) that the TALON 250 was a Colorado 250 (after I pointed 
out that Colorado confirmed their OEM status) but you are basically 
correct.  You received a Mitsumi drive, but they could have as easily 
shipped a Sony or a "Joes CD ROM Drives" drive. What they call a TALON 
TA-100 is their business, and it can be anything they say it is.  

This is a pretty standard business practice. If you are supplying an end 
user with equipment you don't make yourself, you typically would have one, 
possibly two backup suppliers just in case your primary supplier couldn't 
deliver. It would be normal to have them all manufacture to your specs, 
but that is not always the case.  One major minicomputer manufacturer I 
know was delivering a postscript printer that had the printer (minus the 
controller) OEM'd from HP and the controller board from Adobe.  When HP 
raised their price, they got the printer from Canon instead. But there 
were differences, so they had to track each customer by serial number 
whenever they had a service call.

So what constitutes a Talon is up to Insight/HDI.  Where they screwed up 
is that they published the specs in writing and then didn't conform to 
them.  Had they not done so the only way you would get satisfaction would 
be to try and convince someone like Stephanie that you wrote down the 
specs they gave you over the phone correctly.

I have a saying - if it is too good to be true it probably isn't.

Bruce

bruce.drake@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us




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From: cperkins@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Carol Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Mitsumi CDROM player and Future Domain SCSI controller: details?
Keywords: Mitsumi, Future Domain
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:12:41 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

It has been reported on comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard that the Mitsumi CDROM
player can be connected to the Future Domain SCSI controller.  Does anyone
have details on any cables needed and the model number of the Future Domain
controller.  I have written to the original poster.  Many people in the LINUX,
386BSD and OS2 newsgroups would be interested in doing this.

Thanks,

SC Perkins
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: kcc@pt.com (Kevin Chalker)
Subject: Advice on Media Visions CD/Sound 16 kit
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:13:56 GMT



Hi,
  I am looking for advice on the MPC Upgrade 16 kit from Media Vision
which includes the ProAudio 16 sound card and an NEC SCSI multi-spin 
CD-ROM.

1)  Is the CD-ROM internal or external?  CDR84 or 74?
2)  Is everything included for the MIDI portion so that it can talk
	to external keyboards, etc.?
3)  Are all SCSI cables, interface, etc. included?
4)  Do speakers come with it?  If not, which do you recommend?

Thanks in advance and if you have any other suggestions on different
multi-media kits to buy, please let me know.  

Kevin
kcc@pt.com



Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: burning worms - cost for burner
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:58:40 GMT

From article <1992Dec8.163821.18077@microware.com>, by troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks):
> What is the least expensive way to burn a worm?

  Magnifying glass. (requires sunny day)

-Max
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: C580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Albert Foo)
Subject: CD-ROM from Phillips (Cheap)
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:53:25 CST

Phillips's LMSI CD-ROM sells for $350-425 with a Gravis UltraSound card.
An average access time of 375ms and 150Kb transfer rate make it a good
buy.  Call 1(800) 729-9000 and ask for product #B-4940-315992, if
you are interested.
 
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:5121 comp.sys.ibm.pc:970
From: dcole@ua.d.umn.edu (david cole)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc
Subject: Re: NEC CDR-25 with ST01/ FUSION CD package
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:48:29 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu

In article <1992Dec10.032832.3521@smsc.sony.com> dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) writes:
>Thinking that the CDR-25 PC interface would be proprietary
>like Sony Bus drives, I bought my dad a CDR-25 "CD Express"
>package.  It turns out that it comes with a SCSI adapter.
>
>Dad already has a Seagate ST03 adapter.
>
>Will it be possible for him to use both of these SCSI adapters?
>
>

I just bought the Mediavision "FUSION CD" package today, and it includes a
NEC25.  The install manual says it is compatible with existing scsi adapters
and that you can have as many scsi adapters in your computer as you have
slots (!),  subject only to running out of IRQs.

They also say that the SCSI adapter on the Mediavision soundcard can be used
with other devices (e.g. harddrives), but that you have to get a driver from
Trantor.  The SCSI port on this card is rated at around 650kB/sec -- plenty
fast enough for cdrom, but possible not fast enough for faster harddrives (I
think i've got this right...?)

I'd like to hear from with this soundcard or package if they have any tips or
warnings.  

Cheers,

Dave Cole
From: grimkirk@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Multisession Photo-CD CD-ROM drives
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:23:04 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Anyone got a lead on anyone manufacturing CD-ROM drives that will read
multisession Photo-CD discs yet?

Mike Schneider                  | Mac Quadra 900 -
UFP Computers                   |
Chicago, IL                     |       "Dammit Jim! I'm a Mac, not an Amiga!"
Amiga and Toaster Consultant    |
New and Used Equipment Broker   |
From: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: WANTED:  CD-ROM  Encyclop
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) 

RA>I am looking for an Encyclopedia CD-ROM, but, I am looking for a cheap
RA>one.  It doesn't have to be really really fancy (MPC and graphics and
RA>sound), just general ASCII information.
RA>
RA>I have seen an ad for Groiler's Encyclopedia for $19, but the company was
RA>sold out.  I'm looking for something like that.

I have a used 1990 version of Grolier's available for $35, including shipping. 
If you want it, send Email with an address and I'll send it to you. Also 
have an unopened Toolworks Illustrated Encyclopedia version 2.0 for $49. Add
$5 if you want a caddy with it.



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