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From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
Subject: Re: They used to think...
Organization: The Ohio State University
 <1992Dec17.220021.7258@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:54:34 GMT

szielins@oracle.com (Stephan Zielinski) writes:

>	.....[interesting stuff deleted]
>
>breasts.  Gimbutas infers:
>	1.  The connection between sex and childbirth was unknown.
>	2.  Thus, in the world-view of the European preagricultural
>society, women were magical creatures that somehow produced children.
>	3.  These statuettes are depictions of the central figure of
>the extant faith of the time, the Goddess.
>	4.  The society was a matriarchy.  (Not matrilocal, not
>matrifocal, and not a cryptomatriarchy {all of which have been found
>and described in actual, extant cultures,} but real, live, matriarchy.
>No matriarchy has ever been found and described by a cultural
>anthropologist.  Please don't bring up Margret Mead's work; she issued
>a retraction of {other people's overenthusiatic misinterpretation of}
>her earlier claims.)
>
>	(I note in passing that modern hard pornography also depicts
>faceless females with exaggerated sexual characteristics.)

	OK, 1-3 I think I got, but at risk of starting the
einbahnstrasse thread again, what exactly are matrilocal,
matrifocal and cryptomatriarchy, for the anthropologically
impaired.

Jon "I didn't know we were going to use six syllable words" Papai
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Subject: Re: Sex, the Final Frontier?
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 16:30:33 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus) writes:

> In article <28014@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
> >It turns out that there is a huge segment of the trekkie
> >subculture that meets and shares stories where the characters
> >from the old series are in egaged in much racier stories (the 
> >one that stuck in her mind was Kirk and Spock's homosexual 
> >relationship) than those commonly associated with the series.

I was terribly SHOCKED when I first heard this SUGGESTION. {hello James!)

> Mais oui, this is a pretty significant segment of Trek fandom, although
> my impression is that it is getting lost in the shuffle as New
> Generation fandom overwhelms the old guard; ST:TNG just doesn't inspire
> the kind of imagination, at least not in this way, as the old stuff.

That's true. No imagination need with Ship's Whore Troi [I'm sorrrrreeeee...
""`COUNSELLOR'"" Troi.


ObUl: Nothing can travel at the speed of light in a vacuum near 
      Oxford, England.


-- 
  Wayne McDougall, BCNU
  This .sig unintentionally left blank.

Hello! I'm a .SIG Virus. Copy me and spread the fun.
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Subject: Re: Unchanged FAQ List from 1 November 1992
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:16:03 GMT

jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:

>There is an article on one the lecturer's door around here which talks about
>Fractal Crop Circles. Appartenly there are some crop circles which have been
>shown to be impossible to draw by hand - even if you are an alien from outer
>space. If anyone is interested I will get a reference or even maybe post the
>whole article. Obviously two men from Oxford did not do these.

How fractal are they?  The only such thing I've seen was a rather low-
resolution rendition of the Mandelbrot set (the baby lima bean on the
negative real axis had been replaced by a circle).  It seems questionable 
to me that natural plasma vortices would preferentially create shapes
well-known in pop mathematics, fudged for simpler construction. 

I remember hearing one crop-circle researcher claim that they were
created by "magnetic forces within the earth."  Frankly, from what little
I know about magnetic forces, it seems less likely than the UFO hypothesis.
-- 
Matt McIrvin
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Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:42:25 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Dec12.040022.16884@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>mkjensen@IASTATE.EDU (Martha K (Puester) Jensen) writes:
>
>
>>Just some trivia for everyone, from a fount of unverifiable rumors.
>
>>I was told that Jimi Hendrix used to soak his headband in liquid LSD
>>before performances, and play while tripping.  It would explain a lot...
>>I was also told that he may have slashed his skin there to aid absorbtion.
>
>	No it was liquid nitrogen.  The coolant effect on the eardrums
>(frozen head), was supposed to help preserve them from damage induced
>by loud noise.
>
>>As far as the strichnine tales go, I think that started as a way to explain
>>the tightening in the jaw muscles that occurs with some formulations
>>of acid, and which is probably due to residual ergot alkaloids or the
>>cheap speed it is cut with.  Claims of strichnine have been debunked...
>
>	Cramps are due to the LSD.   If it's on paper it's LSD or nothing.
>Speed can't be put on paper.

There was a time when you could buy, in Boston/Cambridge, gelatin caps
that contained both a hit of LSD and a hit of methedrine.  I watched
them fill up the caps.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.drugs,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:24:39 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: alt.drugs,rec.pets.cats
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <If_xP4i00iUz43g88S@andrew.cmu.edu> "Stephen M. Lacy" <sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I just want to say that the apparent knowledge of drugs on the network
>and the volume of people that have significant knowledge makes me
>utterly sick.  Is there something about computers that forces you all to
>take drugs, or do you just hang out with people who and that's how you
>get your knowledge.... anyways, you'll tell me that YOU don't really DO
>them, but I won't believe you.
>
>This whole discussion of LSD has gone too far and is upsetting me more
>with every post.

Please keep anti-drug flames out of rec.arts.startrek.misc.

Ted "what does the 'S' in LSD stand for?" Frank
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Amusing signs
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:13:19 GMT
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates

In article <Bz2868.7uK@javelin.sim.es.com> gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler) writes:
>One common sign that I have always enjoyed is:
>
>	Slow
>  Children at Play
>
>Maybe someone should speed those kids up a bit.

Yes, this is funny ('least I have always felt so), but Rush Limbaugh
claims that in Lowell, CT, they (the town council) have actually taken
it upon themselves to remove these signs because they are potentially
offensive (read, "not PC").  This story sounds pretty ULish to me.

>I once saw a sign at a gas station during the 70's energy crisis that read:
>
>You can fuel some of the people some of the time,
>but you can't fuel all of the people all of the time.

This story sounds pretty ULish to me.
Great line, though...

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	- pynq@quads.uchicago.edu, who is still costing the net
	  hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars, every time he posts -
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Making Urban Legends - Carjacking
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:20:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

rhuss+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Robert Huss) writes:

   [Discussion of staged car-jackings in PA deleted.]

  +	Has anyone else heard of hoaxes of this kind?  People copying
  +urban legends?  Do you think it is an attempt to stir up racial tension,
  +or simply an unoriginal alibi to commiting crimes of their own.  (in one
  +case, the car was used in several burglaries... it turned out that the owner
  +of the car was the burglar)

I suppose the Charles Stuart case in Boston comes to mind.  Off hand,
I recall the following details.  Son of wealthy furrier family was
supposedly returning home from Lamaze class with his pregnant wife.
Police get a call from him on his cellular phone.  They were lost
in a "bad" part of town.  A black man accosted them, shot and killed
her and shot him in the stomach.  BPD get a description and arrest
someone who fits the "description."

Turns out, Stuart shot his wife and then himself to fake an injury.
Provided a bogus description.  He and his brother helped hide the
gun (threw it in the Mystic river?)  A brother 'fesses up, Charles
commits suicide, innocent black fellow released.  City, mayor, BDP,
etc. end up totally embarassed.  

This sounds more or less correct?  Dick?  Someone out there?

Terry "Rumor!" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Amusing signs
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:41:30 GMT

Maybe I've missed a posting, but no one seems to have mentioned a type of
sign that occurs sporadically throughout Sacramento, at least.  There are
some locations where apparently there is no storm drain system, and the
street surface is occasionally interrupted by drainage gutters.  Since these
are effectively upside-down speed bumps, warning signs are posted.
The usual yellow diamond (square rotated 45 deg.) with one word on it,
singular or plural, as appropriate.

It was a common practice, among some of my classmates, to take group
photographs including one of the plural versions of these signs, located
near the suburb where I grew up.

I can't seem to find the photo I used to have.  Five or six of my friends and
myself, standing under the sign. Though some were, I never (to my knowledge)
was photographed under the singular version of the sign.

Of course, many of you have seen such sign and figured out by now what they
say, but I'll just leave some of the others wondering...

	Bob "just one of the 'Dips'" O'Brien
--
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Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:06:51 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <3061@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <1992Dec14.022439.27164@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>
>>Ted "what does the 'S' in LSD stand for?" Frank
>Suirebit
Stiberius

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
    Quote of the decade: "We're not just talking about unpopulated areas
     of the Southern Hemisphere anymore" [Pres. Bush, on the Ozone hole]
From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel K. Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: little girl embedded in grille (was: Re: I Live to FAQ!)
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:01:55 GMT
Organization: Escape from Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Dec20.001827.20320@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>
>	In reading the FAQ, I noticed an ommision in the
>automotive section.  A story comes to mind:
>
>1) Man get's really drunk, and decides to drive home late at
>night anyhow. Is relieved to make it safely home, but finds
>small child plastered to grille of car in garage next morning.
>
>	I believe Ann Landers or her twin were fooled into
>	printing a letter containing this one even though:
>	a) why would a little kid be out late at night.
>	b) a little kid would not get stuck to a grille.
>	c) No cases with names, dates attached.
>
>I suggest this be investigated before the following addition:
>
>F.  Drunk driver finds small child plastered to grill of car next morning.

I'm surprised that one's not already in the FAQ.  It's in one of
Brunvand's books and is debunked thorougly.
From: 00sgmoses@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: SCDOWN
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:58:10 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

:Burro Love

I am posting this gospel of the Burro in hopes that we here at Ball State are
not the last of the great horse haters.  Our numbers are dwindling in the face
of modern religion and widespread horse breeding, but we will survive. Any
comments via e-mail are welcome.

The Story Of Pepe: In the Beginning

In the beginning, god created Burros, and the Burros were good.  They far
exceeded his hopes he had for his first try at creating life, humans.  The
burros were invited into Eden after the first man and woman were exiled. 
Again, his only request was that the burros not eat from the tree of knowledge. 
So it went, for many years the burros froliced amidst the wonders of Eden. The
most boisterous of the burros created was named Edward, son of Hubert, son of
Skippy of the house of Dewy(not to be confused with Wilendorf who was a little
taller than Dewy).  Anyway, Ed was in the orchard with his brother burro,
Phil. Ed said to Phil, "why don't we take a bite of the fruit of the tree of
knowledge, maybe the big guy is not so uptight about it anymore"  Phil said
unto Ed (being a true and good burro)"I don't think this is wise, god will be
pissed."  Ed, in an act of defiance, ate an apple from the tree, and suddenly
realized that he was not a burro at all, but a horse!  God appeared immediately
and said "Who took a bite now?"  Ed hollered at god (horses are so stupid) why
did you not tell me I was a Horse??  God knew immediately who the culprit was,
but he asked Phil to test his honor, and Phil told him the whole story.  God
said unto Ed, " from this point forward, all of your kind will walk on all
fours, and have no joy from licking burros.  You will beg for sugar cubes and
carrots, and APPLES from those stupid humans for the rest of your days. You
will be cursed among burrokind, they will shun you.  You will be forced to
help humans, they will ride your back and you will pull their garden
implements.  They will dress you in silly colors and ride you in circles and
make you count for them."  After that, god rested and kicked out all of the
horses and burros.  He kicked over the tree of knowledge and burnt the garden
to the ground muttering something about starting out smaller next time.  So this
began the eternal rift between the cursed horses and the saintly burros which
we so adore now.

Next post:  The coming and going of St.Pepe the Supreme BurroLicker

Courtesy:

The second but almost third Church of Pepe, Headquarters: San Juan Capistrano

Brad Howell, Professor of Useless Knowledge, Ball State University- Head Burro
Tender

Scott Moses, His High Burroness

Alexa Wallace, Chief Investigator, anti-equine affairs division.
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From: (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Undue Perversity
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:58:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.011943.19427@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>: 
>: >"I can't understand what makes a man hate another man, help me
>: >understand." -Depeche Mode
>: 
>:    Inflated ego. Separatism. Racism. Poor self-esteem. Inability to perceive
>: the beauty of life in itself.
>
>Unwillingness to think for onself. Fear of the unknown. Blind acceptance
>of dogma. Unwillingness to venture into new areas.
>
	Inability to accept the possibility that one's reality tunnel is 
no more valid than those of others, stupid posts, A significant world 
shortage of benefit of the doubt.  Any attempt to "improve" another persons
conceptual set by involuntary coercion or force.  Gods.
			
					Sean
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From: palmermg@infonode.ingr.com (Michael G. Palmer)
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Keywords: KIBO = Knowledge In Bozosity Out
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:36:38 GMT

In article <85470@ut-emx.uucp> johnson@ut-emx.uucp (Karen J. Morgan) writes:
>In article <10DEC199216565473@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> bdsuba@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (PANDAMAN) writes:
>>I have never learned the mnemonic "thirty days hath September.....".
>
>	"Thirty days hath September,
>	 April, June and No Wonder.
>	 All the rest have thirty-one,
>	 Except Pasadena,
>	 And it has the Rose Bowl."
>
>That's the way I learned it from my aunt, the English teacher.

As I learned it:

Thirty days hath September, 
April, June and no wonder, 
All the rest eat peanut butter
Except grandma,
And she rides a bicycle.

--
Michael G. Palmer
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Another University Exam One
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:14:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.171200.9466@ac.dal.ca> egilmour@ac.dal.ca writes:
}Sitting in my exam today the professor beat to death that we should read
}the entire exam first. This sparked a memory of a grade six science teacher
}that told us naive eleven year olds to always remember to read the entire
}exam because when he was in university they once had this really long 
}exam that went on for over ten pages. And when he turned over to seventh
}question on page six it started by saying "IGNORE ALL QUESTIONS BEFORE
}THIS ONE"
}Anyone else heard this one?

One of my fourth grade teachers gave us just such a test. The only
remaining question after the IGNORE ALL BEFORE THIS ONE said "Just
sign your name and go to recess early." She had told us several times
to read the entire test before starting, and naturally I didn't. I
was wondering why some kids seemed to instantly give up and leave the
room....

Of course, I have no idea if this was just the manifestation of an
existing UL or not.
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
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From: neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath)
Subject: Re: Hypnosis and Repression
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:50:26 GMT

In <rlewis.724193757@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, rlewis@muskwa.ucs.
ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) asks:

> 1)  Is there any 'objective' evidence for the repression of horrific
> memories?  I wonder about this because it seems that only certain sorts
> of events (like ritual abuse) come up in the context of such repression
> whereas others, such as having been in a concentration camp (which
> surely is at least as horrific) never do.  The interesting aspect of the
> concentration camp example is that there is fairly reliable evidence
> which could be used (prison camp records) to confirm that the events
> took place (or at least that the individual was there), something which
> seems to be lacking in the realm of ritual abuse.

There is certainly well-documented forgetting on the part of concentration
camp survivors (as well as equally well-documented remembering).  For
a reference, Wagenaar, W. A., & Groeneweg, J.  The memory of concentration
camp survivors.  Cited in A. D. Baddeley (1990).  Human Memory.  Boston:
Allyn and Bacon.  Memory researchers don't call it repression because of
the connotations.  Wagenaar studied 78 survivors of Camp Erika, a 
concentration camp in the Netherlands.  THey were interviewed in 1943-47
and again 1984-87.  For example, only about 50% of those questioned
about whether they lived in tents or huts got the answer correct.

> 2)  Assuming that there is the repression of memory (or even just that
> we are dealing with the normal process of forgetting) is there any
> evidence that hypnosis can somehow help in 'retreiving' such memories.
> If I remember correctly from my social-psychology courses, hypnosis has
> proved rather unsucessful in helping people remember things like events
> surrounding things like crimes.  Also, a quite unsystematic observation,
> those therapists who employ hypnosis always seem to find that what their
> patients have forgotten is exactly what the therapists present
> speciality is, e.g., Freudians always find repressed sexual desires,
> ritual abuse councilors always find ritual abuse, etc.

The experimental literature suggests that not only does hypnosis often
fail to enhance memory but it can lead the person hypnotized to be much
more confident in his/her response (cf Sheehan & Tilden, 1983, Journal
of Experimental Psychology:  Learning, Memory, & Cognition).  Of course,
the experimental literature is concerned with memory for events that
are objectively known to have occurred.  The main problem with the sorts
of memory you mention is that there is really no way of obtaining
objective evidence one way or the other.  It is possible that hypnosis
could bring out 'repressed' memories, but there is no objective evidence.

Ian "You should hear my eyewitness memory lecture" Neath

--
      Ian Neath        | There are four kinds of people in this world:
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Marilyn vos Savant is 'Cecil Adams' 
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:58:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.235932.23515@gagme.chi.il.us> pv@gagme.chi.il.us (Paul Vader) writes:
>I wasn't aware that this was a deep dark secret. It's more of a running
>joke. "Cecil Adams" is regularly asked for interviews, and he is never
>able to show up. A guy named Ed Zotti always appears in his place, with
>some silly excuse or other. Mr. Zotti talks pretty much like Unca Cecil
>writes, so I don't think you need Sherlock Holmes to come to the proper
>conclusion. The only reason people are confused about this is that Ed
>apparently likes the joke and doesn't want it killed off. 

Cecil Adams is a very respectable writer, and would never stoop so low
as to allow someone who would use a pseudonym to write for his column.  QED.

>P.P.S. WBEZ (FM 91.5) has Ed Zotti on about once a month on Mara Tapp's
>       show. 

Okay, but what does the WB stand for then?

Ted "and when the hell is Mara Tapp on?" Frank
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