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From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Organization: Cleveland State University
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:12:13 GMT

Robert Oliver (tallman@ailanthus.com) wrote:
: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:

: > In <1ihv50INNeg1@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland) writ
: > 
: > > 
: > >In article 726386491@cunews, abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
: > >>
: > >>Now how the hell did the captain die at Wolf 359 and then show up at the
: > >>Academy. I find it hard to believe that anyone escaped Wolf 359 (The Borg
: > >>were pretty thorough.) but Emissary made it pretty clear that the Vulcan
: > >>was dead. Have I overlooked anything?
: > >>
: > >Well... Spock died and then came back to life.  Perhaps the Vulcan captain
: > >did the old mind meld thing with one of the Saratoga's crew before he was bl
: > >into little pieces.  That crewmember escaped and managed to return to
: > >Star Fleet HQ.  Star Fleet then used the transporter trace to construct
: > >a new body for the Vulcan, took the crewmember and the new body to the
: > >Vulcan temple in Star Trek III, and voila!  Vulcan reincarnation!  
: > 
: > I would almost buy that (this is Science Fiction after all) except that the
: > Captain died VERY suddenly. (In mid-speech in fact.) Now if you were to say
: > that before Wolf 359, the Captain visited the planet where Roger Croby made
: > his robotic clones, made one of himself which either died at Wolf 359 or
: > ended up at the Academy then I'd accept that!
: > 
: > No I wouldn't!!! But it would at least be "possible". :)
: > 
: > Alan Bick

: The Vulcan captain in "The First Duty" and the Vulcan captain of the 
: Saratoga in "Emissary" were played by *2* different people. Check out the 
: end credits of "Emissary" and the TNG companion for the names of the 
: actors.

: ........
: Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
: via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
: ........

I guess all Vulcans look alike to some of these Humans.  Fascinating.
From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Riker Takes Command!
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:30:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.142914.22269@newssun.med.miami.edu>, dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.171856.17438@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
|> 
|> >Send in your guesses; maybe we can influence Stewart to resign
|> >by scaring him that someone worthy is set to replace him!
|> 
|> How about Sean Connery?  He's bald too!

I doubt Connery would be willing to do a weekly show nor would
the studios be willing to pay the salary he requires.  I do
believe Connery would make a very convincing Star Fleet captain
or higher up.  He would certainly be more convincing that a lot
of other people that have played Star Fleet brass.

I think they should try to get him for a guest spot or for a
Star Trek movie.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: computer voices
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:04:42 EST

 -=> Alan Bick babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-

 AB> Did anyone else find it stupid that the Saratoga had the same computer
 AB> voice as the Enterprise? I remember that in the old series (namely
 AB> Gary-7) Kirk was annoyed with the "new" computer voice calling him
 AB> "dear". Spock said that it had been changed in a recent refit. If it is
 AB> so easy to change why would all ships have the same voice in TNG?

It makes perfect sense to me.  All of the FEDERATION has the same 
computer voice.


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From: fleming@cup.portal.com (Stephen R Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 10:38:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Actually, don't be so quick to sneer.  I bought "Ol' Yellow Eyes 
is Back" based on arecommendation from another online network.
Spiner is *GOOD*.  Flat-out, no joking, no riding-on-his-character
GOOD.  (If you like Sinatra-type music, that is.)

Some of the cast of STTNG sing backup, but they're kinda like
Gladys Knight and the Pips... you don't really notice them.

NOTHING in common with Shatner and "Rocket Man" (which was atrocious
when I saw it on TV).
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From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell)
Subject: Re: ST:DS9...
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:12:28 GMT

In article <93005.47796.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>  
L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> Is it just me or did Piccard come off like a wimp when he was discussing
> Sisko's assignment to DS9?

Well, meeting a man whose life was shattered by the most horrible experience in  
one's own life tends to demoralize one ...

--
Frank Mitchell,	Business Systems Analyst, First National Bank of Chicago
email:frank@fnbc.com (NeXTmail)

"'I am that merry wanderer of the night'?  I am that giggling, dangerous,  
totally bloody psychotic menace to life and limb, more like it."
-- Peaseblossom, _Sandman_ #19
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: The fate of Trill hosts
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:27:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <C0pK55.Gzx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cec35848@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck Carroll) writes:

>As I understand it, the host bodies are not sentient in and of themselves.

What makes you say that?  The hosts can communicate, in spoken language,
and express emotions.  They appear to be well-groomed. (Compare them to
apes in a zoo.)  Everything we've seen suggests that they are, indeed,
sentient by themselves.
From: cmackin@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Best of...
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:23:54 GMT
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S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu wrote:
: Personally, one of my favourite scenes from TNG was the scene in
: _Menage_A_Troi_ where Picard has to convince the Ferengi that he
: is passionately and madly in love with Lwaxana(sp?) and that he
: will destroy the Ferengi ship unless Lwaxana is returned immed-
: iately.  This is probably one of the best moments of dramatic acting
: by Patrick Steward, but was at the same time hilarious.  Espically
: the at the end of the scene, where Lwaxana is beamed into his arms
: and he *urgently* commands helm back to Betazed at "warp 9".
: 
:                                             -=Road Warrior=-
I agree.  As posted in the other group, this was the best episode
in my opinion as well.  There were other funny parts as well...
Lwaxana, and Daemon Tog {hanky panky} as Deanna gags in the cell?

Lt. Cmdr. Mackin
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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: STARTREK IS BUGGARED
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:40:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.072418.12062@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
mhull@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Mj Hull) writes:
> I HATE STAR TREK!! ALL TREKKERS ARE LOOSERS AND SHOULD BE CASTRATED!! GET A  
LIFE
[etc]

Hold your fire, flamers!  Looks like someone forgot to log out.
(I'm sure that the real Mr. Hull would know how to spell "buggered"!)
From: pitsch@cps.msu.edu (Kimberly D Pitsch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:46:23 GMT
Reply-To: pitsch@cps.msu.edu (Kimberly D Pitsch)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
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Further disclaimer: This is not Kim Pitsch. Please reply to:

yamanish@student.msu.edu  OR  martind@student.msu.edu

Boothby: Wasn't Boothby from NextGen (Picard's wise groundskeeper from the
Academy) supposed to appear in DSN?  Any rumors?

Races: Does anyone remember the OS episode in which the crew encountered the
last two members of an alien species?  They were each half black and half white,
literally harlequin style.  But because one was black on the right and the other
white on the right, they considered themselves different races and mortal en
enemies.  Their sole goal in life was to kill the other, as their people had
previously massacred each other.  The Enterprise crew was shocked by the ap
apparent futility and arbitrariness of the feud.  Kirk could not see their
difference until it was pointed out to him.  To the humans, the two men appeared
to be of the same race.
It is not unlikely that the differences between races of an alien species would
be indistinguishable or unnoticeable to us.  Western humans have arbitrarily
decided that race should be determined by skin tone, but it could just as
easily have been ear shape or the ability to curl one's tongue.  Neither 
of the possibilities affects reproduction -- we're all the same species.
Any anthropologist worth his or her beans will tell you that there is no real
difference between races.  Further, I'm sure we've all observed that there is
far more variety *within* each race than between them.  So why would all alien
races be determined by skin color (assuming alien species would bother to think
of race)?  Also, I seem to recall either a TOS or TAS episode in which Vulcan
races were discussed.  There was the race that Spock was, and then there was a
fairer race, to the north or south or something, that had sort of sandy blonde
hair instead of black.

Deep Space Nine Time: Wasn't the whole point of Sisko's encounter with the a
aliens that humans *don't* experience time linearly, and that by not comp-
prehending the phenomenon, the aliens were expressing their wisdom?  It wasn't
they who finally understood our sense of time, it was Sisko (and supposedly
the viewing audience) who ultimately came to understand theirs.

(Preachy, I know, but I've been watching a lot of TNG.)
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From: RUSSKALL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: DEEP 6 9
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:56:33 GMT

 
     Anyone care to speculate about all the possible perverse episodes
to the X-rated version of DS9?  After all, there is a huge worm hole and
plenty of aliens.
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From: obana@uhura.csd.sgi.com (Andrea Obana)
Subject: Re: mumblings on DS9 pilot
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:24:36 GMT

We figured it was because it's easier to morph a featureless face than one
with bothersome things on it, like eyebrows, etc.
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From: plucky@ais.org (Chris Adamson)
Subject: Re: 28 Re: Cardassia = Iraq
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:18:37 GMT

In article <JASON.93Jan11154603@ab20.larc.nasa.gov> Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov> writes:
>
>	If anything, it was originally the Bajorans = Palestinians and
>Cardassians = Israelies.  Since then, the Cardassians have been
>changed from real people into flat, nasty, and cliche characters that
>no one is suppose to like.
>--
	Rather than cast premature judgement like this, I'd like to
suggest that the conflict has been broadened into an analogy for many
different protracted ethnic struggles:  Serbs and Croats, Armenians
and Azerbaijanis, Irish Protestants and Irish Catholics, etc.  This
allows the writers to make much more trenchant and interesting
statements about human nature (and, IMHO, the brutal legacy of
tribalism) rather than to just take sides in contemporary conflicts.

	The attempt to shoe-horn the ST races into modern parallels
seems to me like trying to link the characters in Animal Farm to
actual figures of the Russian Revolution -- that's a valid level of
analysis and thoughtful readers/viewers can find it, but by buying
into that, you miss out on some universal themes are on another level
and are quite likely far more important and intersting.

>Jason C. Austin
>j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
>

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From: sche7135@mach1.wlu.ca (Scott Schelter u)
Subject: GIFS
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:21:50 GMT

     Would someone who pulled the gifs of marina sirtis and denise 
crosby please post them to one of the alt.binaries.pictures.* groups
for those of us on the net who want them but cannot get long distance
modem access on campus.

    Thanx
From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's new rank?
Keywords: pips, joke, promotion
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:23:34 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

I just rewatched the scene and there were only 4 pips on Picard's uniform.
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'brien's transportation
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:41:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1993Jan6.203655.8095@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, rah@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Aaron Hoffman) writes:
> 
> When O'brien was leaving the Enterprise for the station, Picard
> *transported* him off the ship.  Maybe I missed some explanation 
> of this, but wasn't the Enterprise docked?  Why was he transported?
> Nostalgia?  It would seem to be a waste of energy to transport, rather
> than simply hitching a ride on a turboshaft.
> 
> -Rah

No, the Enterprise was never docked with the station, probably due to the
E's size, i.e. I don't think the Cardassians designed the station with
Galaxy-class Federation starships in mind.  Smaller vessels don't seem
to have any trouble though.

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: TNG Uniforms vs. DS9 Uniforms vs. Academy Uniforms
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 18:11:23 EST

After looking at comments re the DS9 uniforms, I think I should point
out that they AREN'T THE SAME as the uniforms worn by Academy cadets.

The big difference is that, while the Academy uniforms are 2 piece,
the DS9 garb is 3-piece:  trousers, jacket and sweater-like under
tunic.  The cut of the outfit is more reminiscent of Capt. Picard's
new uniform than space-cadet Wesley.

I interpret the DS9 uniform design as stemming mainly from Stewart's
complaint of a few years ago, viz. that the two-piece design, while
flattering, is not comfortable to wear for more than a few hours at a 
time.

I accept the explanation that the DS9 design is meant to be the uniform
for station personnel as opposed to line personnel.  Another interpret-
ation is that the uniform is specific to station duty--after all,
neither the TNG standard or DS9 garb is the full-dress uniform.

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From: pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:26:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.181112.22420@julian.uwo.ca> cazabon@csd.uwo.ca (Yvan Cazabon) writes:
>To quote a friend of a friend: In space, nobody can hear you snore.
>
>Yvan

Agreed!  There has been a lot of talk over in rec.arts.sf.tv about
how TNG and DSN have stale view of the future and that Space Rangers
was "fresh".  Yes it was fresh alright, like the gift the neighbor's dog
just left on your lawn.

Dave Lister
lister@virginia.edu
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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: What did they do to the video? (was Re: ST: VII ... It's Official!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:44:30 GMT

In <1993Jan5.092919.6427@desire.wright.edu> byork@desire.wright.edu writes:

>In article <1ibvhmINNcu8@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, cs_d613@ceres (The Magpie) writes:
>> I don't know whether this has been bouncing around the net in the weeks that
>> I've been off for Chrimbo, but on Saturday, on a British television programme
>> called Going Live (You US chaps and chappesses probably won't know it), they
>> had George Takei (Sulu) on for an interview.
>> 
>> In the small amount of time that he was on, he briefly announced (exclusivly)
>> that Star Trek 7 was _definiately_ going to happen.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, he did not say who that script was going to be by, or what the
>> subtitle of the film would be, although he jokingly (?) said that he was 
>> rooting for 'The Adventures of Captain Sulu'.
>> 
>> If any other people saw the later interview (which I missed :-( ) , I'm sure
>> a lot of people would be very interested to get more info.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
>> | J C Doran                  | "Don't do anything I wouldn't do, but if you  |
>> |  Kingston University       |   do, take pictures."                         |
>> |   cs_d613@ceres.king.ac.uk |         Al  (Quantum Leap)                    |
>> +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
>> 
>     I, too have heard that STVII was official, and if I had a choice, I would
>was it to be about Captain Sulu. His part was great in STVI.
>     But after what they did to STVI when they converted it to video( they
>ruined it), I would hope that they avoid STVII.
>           Barry

	I haven't seen the video but I was considering buying it when it
goes down in price. What did they change from the movie that "ruined" it?

Alan Bick

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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 10 Re: "My Two Cents" on Troi in Uniform
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 12:29:36 PST

>On my own behalf, au contraire.  You've just been dismissed by
>this feminist.
>
>Into the kill file....
>
>-desiree

I thought you didn't believe in kill files...
From: HR-5@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk (Connor MacLeod (of the Clan MacLeod))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Problems with 'Phased' ?
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 93 18:03:08 GMT
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In 'Phased' (TNG) why don't La Forge and Ro fall through the floor
of the Enterprise when they can walk through walls ?
Also, how come they can still breath 'unphased' oxygen ?
Also, what is the significance of the camera shot where Ro is
apparently able to touch her control console - it is lingered
upon as though this was supposed to provide a clue as to the final
solution to their predicament, but then appears to be forgotten -
Did the storyliners change their minds and neglect to remove this
scene ?
 .
Continuity problems aside, I thought it was a great episode
(Reminiscent of an episode (whose name escapes me) in TOS when Kirk
is 'speeded up' and thus becmes invisible to the rest of the crew)
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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 23 Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 06:20:49 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>THis whole discussion has to be the height of
>geocentric silliness. Define <race>. Then
>define race for aliens. I personally don't
>believe the concept of race has any meaning
>except to those who want to use it to justify
>some sort of essentially bigotted conduct.

>And those who need to justify bigotted conduct
>will use anything handy: hook noses, kinky hair,
>red irish hair, darker skin (my forebears in
>Scandinavia had a prejudice against olive skinned
>meditreranneans such as Greeks and Italians and
>couldn't understand why any one diliked Africans, or
>whatever would be a PC descriptor).4

>Now, as to employiung black (or African-American)
>actors, Strek has a long history of being on the
>right side of that one.

Look...I just asked a simple (I thought) question.  I don't think it's
silly at all.  True we may not be able apply our conception of races
to aliens, you have a point there.  But your post seems awfully
accusatory.  And as I said in an earlier post...I'm not talking actors,
I'm talking characters.  Not just black aliens, any color.  And as
other posters have pointed out, the aliens racial differences may be
manifested in other ways (if indeed they do have any).  Personally
I would find a people consisting of just one race *very* boring.

Methinks he doth protest too much (or however it goes, don't correct me...
I won't care)

Scott (interracial marriage) VanArtsdalen
PP-ASEL
From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Is there a boot "Hotel Royal"?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:42:53 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <1993Jan5.163643.1306@scorch.apana.org.au> jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn) writes:
>zrsjp01@zmcipdec1.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Peter Jesinger) writes:
>
>|Does the book "Hotel Royal" which is mentioned in 
>|a ST:TNG really exist?
>|If yes, can anyone give me the ISBN Number please?

Would that be: International Standards _Boot_ Number? :)u)    

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From: hackney@moxie.hou.tx.us (Greg Hackney)
Subject: Re: trill
Organization: Home
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:38:23 GMT

demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  writes:

> What's in it for the host?

I don't remember the exact words, but I think Dax said something
like "I'm still me", possibly meaning her non-Trill self?
From: novanet@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Who's Hottest on DS9???
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:00:54 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I'm voting for Jadzia Dax and Cmdr. Sisko's late wife.