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From: reynaldo@athena.mit.edu (Rey Villarreal)
Subject: ATM and OS/2 GA
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:32:48 GMT


Okay short and simple. How do I use ATM with both my Windows and OS/2
programs. HOw do I install the fonts. Where do they go? Which files do
I need(.PFM .AFM .PFB). I have scaned my hard drive for *.afm *.pfb
*.PFM files and have not seen them so I assume that they are not
installed during the regular installation.

Also:

Why is my mouse movement so jerky in WinOS2 sessions in fullscreen?

Why wont my system recognize a printer is attached if its output is
being redirected to a file?

By the Way the is a rumor that OS/2 will not ship until May 1 to 
those who ordered on the phone. The rumor came from PRODIGY.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: HPFS question...
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:56:09 GMT

In article <vtwj!k_.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>David, tell me one thing that cannot be done without EA's.  They are just
>a bump on an otherwise clean architecture.  *ix does just fine without
>them.  Information *about* a file should be *in* a file.  Or it should
>be in a related file.  The file is the system defined unit of information.
>Being squireled away in this hiding place is plain architectural nonsense. 
>In my humble opinion of course.

To be completely honest, I'm not sure that I can tell you anything that
can't be done without EAs.  However, Id be willing to bet (not literally.
I know you'd take the bet :-) that anything that OS/2 uses EAs for would
be much slower if OS/2 dis something like the NeXTStep kludge of using
the .places file, etc.  In addition, EAs allow an extensible attribute
structure that works well on HPFS, which was designed for it.  Using
absolute fixups (if we can call them that) is a performance hack, I know,
but it works, and at GA+, it seems to even survive a DOS directory
backup.  (I guess they already did what I suggested.  Not surprised).

I agree that any pertinent information about a file should be in the file.
But, what about information that the OS wants to keep about the file,
like location, icon, version, (list all the things in the standard
OS/2 EA screen here), or even access privileges, etc.  This should not
be kept in a separate file.  Even if it were, it would be much slower.
UNIX stores much of this information in the inode structure.  FAT
was not blessed with an extendible directory structure.  OS/2 is able
to tack one on.

I also agree, however, that the EA system is still too fragile.  Or rather,
the WPS' use of them is too fragile.  If you lose your EAs, the WPS ought
to be able to make up new ones.  Maybe THIS is a good goal for next version/
CSD.

-Dave
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft and Me
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:55:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.702849321
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

ianel@microsoft.com (Ian Ellison-Taylor) writes:

>In article <12313@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
>[stuff about Windows apps detecting OS/2 2.0 and running slower to 
> really annoy everybody deleted]
>This has got to be some kind of classic. I realise this originally appeared
>in a PC mag but the number of people who have appeared to believe this junk
>has been amasing.

That's what happens when you're dealing with Microsoft.  For most
companies it wouldn't be worth a second thought, but from the
undipsuted masters of dirty tricks it's worth at least a comment.
Maybe if they didn't have a nagging suspicion that Gates would sell
his mother into slavery if it would increase market share.




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From: dourte@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Louis Dourte)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: A Practical Question about OS/2 performance
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:02:20 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


In article <1992Apr10.035310.29471@burrhus.harvard.edu>, kl@isr.harvard.edu (Kun Lee) writes:
|> Hello, OS/2 users,
|> I am new to this group and thinking about moving to OS/2. I just upgraded
|> to Windows 3.1 and disappointed. I am basically a DOS 5.0 user. I don't run
|> any Win3 applications other than the provied ones with the pacakage. I use
|> WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS, Quattro Pro 4.0 for DOS, PCtools 7.1 for DOS, and
|> some other utilities. Whenever I tried to run these applications in Windows
|> I wasn't able to relax. It has not been reliable, cursor movement has been
|> jumpy, screen scroll has been jumpy, and most of all floppy access has been
|> too slow. I also used Desqview and it has not been far from Windows
|> performance. Will these symptoms be improved a lot if I use OS/2?

They defenitely will! I have a friend that uses OS/2 v2.0 almost exclusively
to run (and multitask) DOS programs and is quite happy about it. In fact,
his DOS programs run faster under OS/2 than under DOS 5.0.

|> ... 
|>
|> By the way, I am using Dataworld 386DX/20MHz, 4M RAM, 40M Conner drive (I
|> know I have upgrade the drive), with Orchid ProDesigner Plus w/ 512K.  
|> Would an upgrade of mother board be recommende?

Apart from the drive, everything else looks fine to me. The friend I referred
to previously actually has a 16Mhz 80386SX with 4MB RAM, but a 160MB hard disk.
But the more RAM you can throw at OS/2, the happier it is!
--
Louis Dourte
Departement d'informatique et de recherche operationnelle
Universite de Montreal
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Requestor --> $200!!
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:20:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.233508.7687@slate.mines.colorado.edu> cjmarsha@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Charles Marshall) writes:
>The latest I heard is that the requestor for OS/2 will be available
>April 30 and will cost $200.  It is a seperate package from OS/2 2.0.
>What?
>Is IBM kidding?  Don't they think it is going to be hard enough to get
>millions of DOS users to switch os's and $50 to $200 bucks a shot?  And
>then they have to pay an extra $200 to connect to there network!  Novell
>is holding 70 to 80 percent of the networked market.  The requestor 
>should definitely be included if IBM wants OS/2 to fly in the corporations.

I believe you're talking about the NetWare Requester.  That price, I
believe, is for unlimited use.  It is not $200 per station; it is $200
per site.

Quite reasonable, methinks.
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From: gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: HPFS question...
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:22:43 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <grendel.703123402@harry.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> grendel@cis.ksu.edu (Stephen Spencer ) writes:

>Okay.  'Ere we go... the $200 question: if I continue to use fat until I can
>get more RAM, will I still be able to defrag them using norton or pctools
>without harming the os/2 data?

Only if you dual boot over to DOS. OS/2 will not allow any program that isn't
ring 0 (ie- system) to have direct HD access.
     Tom Sorensen
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Need help printing!
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:53:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.115435.1@tesla.njit.edu> fer9483@tesla.njit.edu (Franklin E. Rachel) writes:
>> (1)  The parallel printer card.  Make sure it is generating
>> interrupts.  If using LPT1, make sure it is configured for IRQ 7.
>> Also make sure no other device in the system is using IRQ 7 -- a
>> SoundBlaster, for example.  Swap parallel printer cards with a friend
>> to test if necessary.
>What about if you want to run some dos programs that areant smart enough
>to check where the soundblaster is, and use IRQ7 as a default?  Is there
>a way to change the IRQ for the printer?

In that case configure OS/2 to print to LPT2, and configure your
parallel card for LPT2.  LPT2 uses IRQ 5.

(Now why did Creative Labs have to choose LPT1's IRQ as the default?
Not too bright methinks.)
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From: teverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (Toby Everett)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Wish List -- Help Wanted
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:10:10 GMT

>>  Wish there was a way (maybe there is) to change the default for OPEN
>>  of a drive or directory from ICON VIEW to TREE VIEW or DETAILS VIEW.
>
>Yes, there's a way.  Try it from the Templates folder (as I recall--
>could be wrong). 
	Go to Open-Settings on the drive popup menu.  Then select
Menu.  In the top list box select ~Open.  Then click on the Settings button
that ungrays next to it.  Here is the buglet found by jokim (quick bow of
acknowledgement).  It will automatically tell you Icon View in the list box,
not the default setting you were currently using.  Doesn't matter much if
you know it's there.  Simply select the default opening you want and then
click OK.  Close the setting window, and you're in business.  BTW, did it
take anyone else four days and being shown to realize that there are multiple
pages for the View settings?  I was _SO_ pissed that I couldn't open a 
Tree view with small icons.....:)

        --Toby Everett
        --teverett@jarthur.claremont.edu
        --"I'm rooting for Boca.  How about you?"
From: amund@itk.unit.no (Amund Skavhaug)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Question: which dos apps work with os/2
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:33:03 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology / SINTEF, Trondheim, Norway

Matlab386  works wonderful with os2 2.0. But it depends on the release
number, earlier versions used VCPI, I use version 3.5k. (I beleve it is "k",
I don't remember for sure. The manual stated that it did not run with os2,
because of VCPI, but that was a old page, an updated page of documentation
corrects this.) The only problem was that I for some reason had to boot
dos to install, it had problems with creating directories. (Well it didn't
have that, but thougth so....)
I am running from a NFS disk also without any problem....Concurrently with
Maple V, Word Perfect, Xserver-Xterminal and a lot of other stuff.
No problem, and almost NO performance hit !
My version was dated sometime late 1991.
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From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Comdex -- Chicago, April 6
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:22:46 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

michael@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael MacFarland) writes:

> IBM is giving away several thousand copies of the GA code.  If the spotters
> see someone wearing one of the buttons mention above or carrying an OS/2 bag
> they get a coupon that they can redeem (at the show) IBM info desk for a
> shrink-wrapped copy.  

...drool...

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: restoring icons??
From: conrad@actrix.gen.nz (Conrad Bullock)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:29:06 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <7cwj_va.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
> One more time.  The only way to backup and restore undr DOS is full disk
> image.  The EA DATA.SF has real sector addresses implied that don't mean
> squat if files are restored to different places. Elegant, huh.

I don't believe that this is true. I have quite successfully unfragmented
my FAT disk, which moves files around, without any ill effect to my
extended attributes. This includes optimising the 'EA DATA. SF' file.

The way I believe it actually works is that OS/2 uses part of the
'reserved' 10 spare bytes in the FAT directory entry to keep an
offset into the 'EA DATA. SF' file, which points to the EAs for the file.
I think that's quite a neat solution - as long as DOS programs that mess
with the directory structure copy the whole entries around - not just the
'standard' fields - SpeedDisk at least seems to work.

This became apparent to me when I was installing 6.304 on top of 6.177h -
being lazy, I didn't want to reformat to install it, so I tried to
delete all traces of 6.177h - I deleted all files, including the EA
stuff. The install did not work correctly - wrong colours, WPS settings,
lost EA errors on a lot of files.

I then went through the same process, but this time booting off the OS/2
install disk and running CHKDSK on my boot drive - there were plenty of
files with lost extended attributes - the fact that an EA existed must
have been held somewhere, and my guess was the directory entry....
From: Dora@cup.portal.com (Lin Dora Koeppel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: general questions on OS/2
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:31:16 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I am posting the following for a co-worker.  You may reply via email to 
my address or by fax (see address below):

Is anyone out there using Powerbuilder?
We are currently using Powerbuilder 1.0a with Microsoft SQL Server 
version 1.1 running on a Hewlett Packard Vectra 486/33 under OS2 
Version 1.21. We have the following questions.

OS/2:

    How does one read a dump file created with the 'Createdd' command ?

    How does one run just an OS2 shell without using Presentation Manager ?

    How does one run multiple DOS sessions ?

	      Thanks in advance.....
		     James
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 DOS emulation?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:16:18 GMT

pebly@VNET.IBM.COM (Bob Pebly) writes:
>session.  In real mode DOS, the segment:offset => physical address
>translation for the DMA bus master was simple math.  Under DOS 5.0 with
>upper memory blocks, Windows in enhanced mode and OS/2 virtual DOS
>sessions, the same simple math calculates the wrong physical address
>because virtual memory is in use and memory is not directly mapped.  In

>Bob Pebly

Does this mean that programs that use expanded memory (like a say,
MS BASIC 7.1) could cause problems. I ask becuase as a programming language 
(and one that I plan to get) could do many things, depending on what the 
programmer does. So Does remapped memory screw some things up?

Nish Patel   nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: charley@fsg.com (Charley Rich)
Subject: Questions on OS/2 compatibility
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, Ltd
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:16:55 GMT

Hello,

This is my first email to news.  I have just ordered my 'free' upgrade to
OS/2 2.0 and have a few compatibility questions.  Please send answers via
email, if possible.  Thanks in advance.

Equipment:

Gateway 386/33 with 4MB 
120 MB disk
Microsoft serial mouse
Diamond SpeedStart SVGA card with 1MB(800x600 mode)
NEC 2A monitor.
HP LaserJet II Plus

Software:

Windows 3.0a with Norton Desktop for Windows, ATM for Windows
Word, Excel, Quicken(all windows versions), plus various educational
software such as Mixed-up Mother Goose, Playhouse, Treehouse, Kid-Pix,
New PrintShop, etc.


1)  Will Norton for Windows work under OS/2?

2)  Will OS/2 support my SVGA card(it uses the TSENG 4000 chipset)?

3)  Will ATM fonts for Windows work on OS/2? (I know OS/2 uses ATM)

4)  IBM told me that I need 35MB of disk
	a) Is that true?
	b) Can I subtract out my current disk usage for DOS and Windows
	   and end up with a much lower number?

5)  Has anyone tried Multimedia under OS/2?  I would like to purchase a
    sound card(as soon as there is one with a 16bit interface to CD
    available) and also a CD-ROM player.  Will MultiMedia extensions 
    for Windows work under OS/2?

6)  Will my children's game software, listed above,(all DOS based) run 
    reasonably(or at all)?

7)  Can I expect reasonable performance in general, using OS/2 with my 
    hardware? (My current performance with Windows/Norton has been 
    acceptable)

8)  Is there a reason to use Dual Boot?(Is it even possible?)

I have considerable experience using OS/2 1.3 with LAN Manager/LAN Server 
at work and really like the operating system.  It would be nice to be
able to use a robust operating system at home, as well.


Thanks again,

Charley Rich

charley@fsg.com

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From: d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se (Mikael Wahlgren)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is a 16MHz 386sx with a 65 Meg HD enough for OS/2 2.0???
Date: 11 Apr 92 09:09:42 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.213619@masg1.epfl.ch> lbdsun6.epfl.ch writes:

>The disk size question is a very important one. IMHO, it should be possible
>to reduce the disk size of OS/2 by at least 30% by eliminating all the unused
>(and never be) drivers that are copied during the installation. OS/2 drivers
>are large (150 KB on the average). As an example, all mouse drivers are 
>copied (7 of them) even though only one is necessary.

This is already done.  The OS/2 2.0 GA install, removes files that aren't
used (I think they are copied to disk first, and removed later, if you look
closely on the install program).  I selected ALL features in OS/2 2.0 GA,
and it takes about 28-29 Mb disk space (excluding swap-file).

Mikael Wahlgren      d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se
From: chenjs@acf3.NYU.EDU (Jiansheng Chen,1141 Meyer,8-7667,)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Mouse problem under os/2 2.0
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:56:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

Try to disconnect and re-connect the mouse after the system is up.

Good luck.

- J. Chen
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: SVGA & Full-Screen DOS Question
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:42:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.212902.19017@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ba014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff) writes:
>One quick question:  If I'm running a full-screen DOS session under OS/2
>2.0, will I be able to access SVGA modes from DOS programs (CSHOW, VPIC,
>etc.)?

With the majority of SuperVGA adapters, yes.  It now works for me
(using a Trident 8900C adapter).  Earlier it didn't, but now it does.
Go figure.  :-)
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From: jasonc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Campbell)
Subject: Re: IBM OS/2 v.2.0 demo in Atlanta
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 04:03:45 GMT

In article <54304@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen) writes:
>Admittedly IBM hasn't been doing a great job of getting the word out- possibly
>because Atlanta is one of the first stops on the road show and other such
>fanfare. Read git.acm, I'll try to post info there.

I'm sure many of us would be interested, even if not all of us are close enough
to go.  Even better, how about posting a schedule for the road show?

Jason.
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From: skanga@prism.poly.edu (Shiraz Kanga)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 1.x-- I want to cry!
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:12:41 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

In article <92097.192929RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at> RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at (FLATSCHER Rony) writes:
>I cry too. Upgrading from OS/2 1.x to 2.0 is not free in Austria/Europe
>either (nor in Germany for that matter either) !
>
>---rony

What if these people mail their licenses to someone in the US to get a free
upgrade (except mailing costs - how much does the entire box weigh?) Is this
possible? legal?

Shiraz
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From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Release: First Impressions
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:50:56 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

I have been requested to gather some information for my department at the
University of MD, College Park.  We just ordered a few copies of OS/2 2.0
for our systems...  We have a Novell network installed, along with a
large number of NeXTstations all on the Internet.  The question is, what
additional software, if any do we need to purchase in order to keep our
OS/2 2.0 machines on the net.  Can as OS/2 machine be tied into a Novell
network?  What about using it as a server?  Is there anything out there
for v2.0 which will give us these capabilities?  What about any other
packages we should purchase along these lines?  Thanks for any information,
I am not familiar with the OS/2 world yet outside of this thread...

					- Al