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From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Deckard is NOT a Republican
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:07:33 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1acg2iINN9nt@function.mps.ohio-state.edu>, edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes:

>Sorry.  I couldn't resist.

True.  The glow in the eyes, a trait we normally associate with Republicans,
was, in fact, merely a screen device, and so wasn't really visible to the
other characters in the movie, most of whom were Democrats as well.

But in a broader sense, I believe the replicants really represented all
politicians, and the movie presented a certain, rather attractive, point
of view how we, as citizens, might handle them.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
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How about we all do something reasonable?  I bet that'll confuse 'em!
From: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 28 Sep 1992 04:31:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
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In a previous article, pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel) says:

>bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey) writes:

>
>>Again, if you start with a PREMISE of a conspiracy, you can explain anything..
>
>Sorry. If conspiracy, then Eldon Tyrell. If not, then not.


Hmmm.  Let's look at this closely shall we?  :-)

Eldon Tyrell  = A
Conspiracy = X

You are trying to prove X.

What you say is this:

If X (the thing you are trying to prove?!?), then A.

If not X, then not A.

A (Eldon Tyrell exists), therefore, X!

This is a completely nonsensical argument.

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From: dleibow@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David E Leibow)
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:57:05 GMT

In article <BvA2GF.IBo@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
>In article <10538@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord) writes:
>>Peter Alexander Merel (pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au) wrote:
> 
>>: The crux of the matter is whether or not Scott intended Deckard's nature to 
>>: be ambiguous. Given the years of debate on the issue, with no resolution 
>>: either way, I think you'd have to agree that the ambiguity is intentional.
>
>>  I thought that Deckard said he retired because he was begining to emphasise
>>with the replicants.  It's common for good hunters/cops to learn to think
>>like their prey.  Deckard was one of the best, until he became too involved.
>>  Unicorns are a fertility symbol,  this could have been what Gaff intended
>>when he left it.  This would be ironic as androids are probably infertile.
>>He may also have access to Deckards psychiatric records.
>
>Considering the way Deckard was being tossed around by the replicants throughout
>the movie, I would say that he couldn't have been a replicant himself.  The
>only question that remained for me is how the other cop knew about the unicorn.
>One explanation would be that HE was a replicant and has Deckard's memories
>implanted, although this seems unlikely given that Deckard didn't know all
>the languages the other guy did.

I think that this endless analysis of every last detail of the movie to
determine if Deckard is "really" a replicant is ridiculous.  The bottom
line reason for everything that happens in the movie is thematic.  The
plot has to have internal logic and the events in it reinforce the theme
or themes.  In light of the theme of (to put it entirely too bluntly)
"what does it mean to be human" it is either entirely irrelevant whether
he is a replicant or not or it is thematically unsound.  Everything in
the film sets up comparisons and contrasts between Deckard and the
various replicants.  As long as we are aware of theses comparisons either
it makes no difference or it works a lot better if we assume he is human
so we can more easily see his similiarities and contrasts with the
replicants.  You can argue the intricate plot points all you want but I
can't believe that the director or writers could care less as long as you
understand what the movie is really *about*.  

As for the unicorn, the origami found at the end need not imply anything 
about him having any knowledge of Deckard's dream.  We know he makes 
those things and we can guess that he left it behind as a kind of calling 
card to let Deckard know he was there.  This is consistant with his 
last line.  If it seems a bit like too much of a coincidence that its 
a unicorn, well, many directors have taken much more artistic license 
than that to symbolially emphasize a thematic point.  If this wasn't 
SF nobody would have given it a second thought...

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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Subject: Re: Halcyon ALIEN kits?
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:47:00 GMT

MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

>I was wondering how many Alien plastic kits there are? Halcyon manufacture
>them, they are very well made although a bit more expensive than ordinary kits.
>So far, I've heard of these:

I've seen some of these.  I've noticed at least 2 different models of
the alien warrior.  One is by depiction in Alien, the other in Aliens.
Noted differences in number of thumbs per had and skull structure.

>All in all, there should be at least eleven kits on the market. According to
>TAMIYA NEWS, more model spacecraft, vehicles and Aliens will be released in the
>future.

I think I saw a model of the APC as well.
 
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From: pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:49:35 GMT

abotha@bilbo.cs.uct.ac.za (A S Botha) writes:
>[the usual sort of unsupported stuff ... cf. the other threads]
>
>4) Deckard finding the origami unicorn was supposed to be the end of the film,
>with the implication that Gaff has retired Rachel, who is AWOL from Tyrell and
>therefore no longer under their protection and therefore fair game. There is a
>bounty paid for each retired replicant, something Gaff would not be adverse to
>collecting, especially as there is little danger to him, Rachel is not a 
>combat model.

I don't know of a version of the film (including the DC) where Deckard finds
the unicorn on the way INTO the apartment. Do you?

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From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: _Innocent Blood_ (no spoilers!)
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:08:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies

_Innocent Blood_ started out poorly, in my opinion, with the leading lady
parading around her apartment in the nude.  (Usually an inauspicious
beginning for a movie.)

But the movie ended up being better than I originaly thought it was going to
be (from the advertisements), and better than the beginning lead me to
believe it was going to be.

Oh, it has lots of faults.  There are some inconsistencies in it, which
really annoy me (a couple of them could have been fixed by simply removing a
couple of scenes that didn't add much to the movie at all), but there were
not enough to make me decide I didn't like the film.  The other really
cheesey thing about it was the glowing eyes; the commercials which had those
made me think it was going to be a *really* stupid movie.

Well, it wasn't.  It wasn't a *great* movie, but I did manage to enjoy it.
It could easily have been better, if, for example, the lead's conflicts with
her needs and her ethics had been dealt with more.  And the ending leaves a
lot unsaid (there are going to me *lots* of problems about a week after the
movie's ending, but isn't that always the case? 8-)).

I guess if I were going to summarize the plot in a few words or less, it
would be something like:  the story of a vampiress living in a modern, large
city, who makes a mistake, and has to deal with that mistake for the rest of
the movie.  The vampire is not a "traditional" vampire, and so a lot of
people will probably not like it for that reason.

But I still liked it.  Definitely recommended for a matinee showing.  Call
it a +2.5 on a -5 to +5 scale.

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Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark: R2D2 & C3P0
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:06:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: radio.hal.2.717775589
Distribution: na
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University

In article <1992Sep27.001620.14086@allegro.com> sieler@allegro.com (Stan Sieler) writes:
>From: sieler@allegro.com (Stan Sieler)
>Subject: Raiders of the Lost Ark: R2D2 & C3P0
>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:16:20 GMT
>Sorry if this is a FAQ, but can anyone confirm whether or not Raiders
>of the Lost Ark has a cameo appearance of R2D2 and C3P0 (etched on a wall?)?
>If so, in what scene?  We just got the wide-screen laser disc, and have been
>trying to find them.
>
>thanks,
>stan sieler
>sieler@allegro.com
>
>
>
Yes, it is true.  The robots are hieroglyphs on a column in the Well of the 
Souls.  The scene occurs at the point where the Ark is being lifted from its 
sarcophagus.  I've seen it is the laser disc CAV version though it was a 
long time ago and I do not own that edition of the LD release so I can't 
give you the frame #.  There is also another Star Wars reference in 
Raiders.  Check out the markings on the bi-plane that Indy escapes in at the 
beginning of the film.  The letters on the fuselage are "OB CPO" (I imagine 
in reference to Obi-Whan & C3PO.)

Hal Prentice
Hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu
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From: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim)
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Subject: Re: bladerunner script
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:27:33 GMT
Reply-To: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 1a001gINNr8i@uwm.edu, aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider) writes:
>Ok ... so get to an OCR scanner, set-up an ASCII text version of this script
>and place it in public access directory on an ftp site somewhere so the rest
>of us can read it.  Yes, I'm serious.

Well you shouldn't be...
150 pages of A4 size. No access to a scanner. Neither the time or the 
inclination to waste it in the above venture.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but this is -not- an option.

I can't believe I have the only copy. Besides, mine looks like at least a 2nd
generation photocopy itself.
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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
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Subject: TMNT III
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:37:37 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

     Does anyone have information on the third Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtle movie?  The local paper ran a two-sentence blurb, which only
gave the tentative release date (April).  I know they were secretive
about the first two, but I hope some detail has trickled out.  Anyone?
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From: das1417@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Grenadier)
Subject: Re: What is the name of the SCI-FI movie with Julie Christie and a computer
Originator: das1417@ultb
Keywords: Julie Christie, information wanted
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:16:07 GMT

In article <billd.717294449@cheetah> billd@informix.com (William Daul) writes:
>It has something to do with a massive computer who refuses to tell 
>governments how to mine the ocean bottom.  Julie Christie is impregnated
>by the computer.  
>
>NAME THAT MOVIE!

This was DEMON SEED, also starring Fritz Weaver.

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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: bladerunner script
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:05:54 PDT

In <Bv9JM5.J5D@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:

>robb@maths.tcd.ie (Robert Bashford) writes:
>
>>g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>
>>>If anyone knows of an ftp site where scripts can be archived, please notify
>>>me by e-mail ASAP.
>
>>  no, just post it to this group 
>
>You seem to have missed the point -- posting such large files to a group
>wreaks havok on some systems, especially those with limited file space.
>I tried and took the heat for doing so. That's why an ftp site is the
>best way to go.
>
>					Greg Martin
>					g-martin1@uiuc.edu


Agreed. Posting to the group is not the way to go. FTP or direct e-mail is
the best bet.
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From: gmcmanus@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu (Gary McManus)
Subject: DARTH VADER vs. T1000
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:54:30 GMT
Organization: CIMMS/The University of Oklahoma, Norman

Just Kidding!
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From: TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Sci-Fi Channel, Where is it?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:43:45 GMT
Distribution: USA
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Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I couldn't find this Sci-Fi channel on my cable, nor could I find any ad on the
TV Guide. Though I did see some ad on the USA Network. So, where is this new
channel? Need help!
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From: stancad@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Alien Jaws
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep21.032102.1032@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>, pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:
> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>>I finally found the terrestrial inspiration for the thrusting
>>Alien inner jaw:  Sharks!
> 
> I disagree. There's none of the sawing action you get with sharks. I think
> that the inspiration for Giger's Alien mouth is easily identified from 
> contemporaneous sketches of his; it's a penis. 
> 
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> The game is afoot!

You guys are sick!

From: tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tom Gardner)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 09:45:52 GMT
Subject: Re: What is the name of the SCI-FI movie with Julie Christie and a computer
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies

> It has something to do with a massive computer who refuses to tell 
> governments how to mine the ocean bottom.  Julie Christie is impregnated
> by the computer.  

> NAME THAT MOVIE!

Demon Seed, probably.
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: BR II????
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:11:06 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <DUKE.92Sep28124001@portal.paperboy.osf.org>, by duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Robert Robillard):
> At Worldcon, the film studio guy who was showing previews said that
> a Bladerunner II was in the works.  

I don't look forward to that at all.  I think this is going to be a
very painful experience.
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From: mcginnis-john@CS.YALE.EDU (John McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: BR: Raw oysters, boiled dogs, tequila worms, calfskin wallets.
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:07:26 GMT
Organization: /m/mcginni/.organization


In article <1aogbkINNcl0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey) writes:

> 
> To get away from the shouting match for a while:
> 
> In Blade Runner (all cuts), why would Rachel turn in a guy for giving
> her a calfskin wallet?  What's the big deal about calfskin?  Not like
> the world's gone veggie or anything... 

In the book, this is explained a lot better.  Blade Runner is supposed to be
taking place after a nuclear war.  The fallout from the war has managed to kill
off most of the animals.  Society has adapted to this by shifting its moral
code.  It is now immoral to NOT care after animals.  The result of this is
empathy with animals.  So when a blade runner administers the VK test to an
android, they ask questions about animals.  In a human, this empathy causes
certain involuntary actions, but in an android, nothing happens, as they have
not been conditioned to feel for animals.

- John
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From: vnelson@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gerald Vernon Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica - The Movie?
Date: 25 Sep 92 01:13:49 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <Bv0s2v.4w3@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:


>It was stated that President Carter interrupted the televise of the movie.  
>Then it was said it was in the early 80's, probably '82.  At that time Reagan
>was in office ('80-'88), so it wasn't then.  My sources say 1979, and it was
>released theatrically in the US.  I seem to remember seeing it there.

Battlestar Galactica (1978):

Lorne Green, Richard Hatch, Dirk Benedict, Maren Jensen, Laurette Spraugue
Designed as T.V.s answer to Star Wars this series premiere episode
was later released theatrically.

Vern Nelson
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From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: Star Wars in French item
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:08:32 GMT

I had been watching a French (Canadian?) version of Star Wars a few weeks
back, and the names of the 'droids were D2R2 and C3P7.  Anyone have any
idea why they did this?  A ex says that C3P7 shortens the syllables, and
R2D2 would simply be a French tongue-twister.  Any other reasonable
explanations?

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From: dleibow@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David E Leibow)
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:29:56 GMT

I'll try and keep this brief.  All the evidence you sight can more simply
be explained as devices which connect Deckard with the replicants so that
we can compare him (a human) with them (replicants).  The movie uses
these comparisons (which occur continously throughout the film) to get us
to question what it means to be human.  How well it does this is open to
debate but if Deckard were supposed to be a replicant then we would be
comparing replicants to replicants and it would all be meaningless.  If
you insist on debating the issue why don't you compare Deckard's
emotional actions and reactions with those of the replicants and forget
all the technical mumbo jumbo.  You may still decide that there is enough
evidence to declare Deckard a replicant but at least you will be doing so
by looking at the issues and not the window dressing.

-dave
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From: mwilson@orl.mmc.com (Mark Wilson)
Subject: Re: Aliens v Predator Movie??? (+ Alien 3)
Reply-To: mwilson@orl.mmc.com
Organization: Martin Marietta Orlando
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:36:15 GMT

In article yi1XRB2w165w@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.nz, system@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
>The question is, how will they tie in the Homo Sapien interest? I mean, 
>lets face it, we're just a two-bit planet out in the uncharted Western 
>Spial arm, and every invasion force and galactic disaster seems to focus 
>on lil' ol' us. And why? Obviosuly people don't want to pay to see 
>obnoxious alien A beat up/get beated up by obnoxious Alien B. I mean, 
>what's in it for us? So in summary, how are they going to make an A vs P 
>match of interest to the G P.?

Obviously they stage the showdown on some two-bit planet out in the
uncharted western spiral arm populated by insignificant creatures.
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