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From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:45:59 GMT

Mark Mitchell writes:

>noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) wrote:
>}
>}I think Mark mentioned that his stats weren't as good as Quadry's.
>}I'd be interested to see a comparison, but one thing to think about:
>}What do you think Rocket's stats would be like if he was on a team 
>}where there weren't so many other talented people to hand the ball to.
>}Notre Dame had so much talent, that they didn't have to depend on one
>}player in a one dimensional attack.  I think if he was anywhere else,
>}his stats would have been much more impressive ...
>
>Yes, poor Qadry Ismail, having to carry that entire Syracuse team on
>his back, touching the ball probably 10 times a game if he's lucky.
>
>My point has been quickly validated:  Notre Dame fans claim that 
>Rocket Ismail was the greatest player who ever lived and deserved
>the Heisman more than anyone in history, and yet a virtual clone who
>plays for someone besides Notre Dame and has better stats is basically
>not even worth talking about as a Heisman candidate.

I think you read too much into my post Mark.  I compared Rocket to Tim 
Brown and Qadry, not every other player that ever lived.  Yes, I do 
believe that Rocket was better than Brown; whether Brown deserved the
Heisman or not is another argument entirely.  And I didn't mean to
imply that just because I thought Rocket would have had better stats
elsewhere that those stats would have been the greatest stats of all
time.  However, I did mean to imply that those stats would probably have
been comparable to the great Qadry's stats. (If indeed they are so good -
I admit ignorance here.)  
I do believe he would have had a greater INDIVIDUAL impact elsewhere.
 
Since this is all speculation on my part (I even phrased it in the form
of a question initially.) I was surprised by the forcefullness of your
response.  Perhaps the validation to which you are referring is from other
posts that are more pro-Rocket?  I would never make the claim that Qadry
Ismail does not deserve consideration for the Heisman (In fact, I think
my request for a comparison vindicates me on this point.), but I apologize
if my post implied that.  I especially apologize if my post was taken
to represent all Notre Dame fans.

Whew!

-Mike Noonan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:10:32 GMT

tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

>Top Ten Coolest :
>1. Syracuse : The Orange -- He just looks so happy.
>2. Colorado : Ralphie the Buffalo -- 'nuff said.
>3. Stanford : You have to love to seeing a tree roam the sidelines.
>4. Florida State : I love the flaming spear before kickoff.
>5. Nebraska : Herbie Husker -- huge head.
>6. Michigan State : The Spartan is seriously stout.
>7. SMU : Peruna the Pony gets run across the field after TD.  Out of shape now.
>8. UNLV : I don't know if the Shark is at football games, but too cool to drop.
>9. Wake Forest : He really looks like a Demon Deacon.
>10. Reserved for Florida if and when they get a live gator on the field.

>Top Ten Dumbest :
>1. Notre Dame : No comment needed.
>2. Cal : The bear looks wimpier than Winnie the Pooh.
>3. Ohio State : With a nick like the Buckeyes, can't have a very good mascot.
>4. West Virginia : A mountaineer.  Shooting off a rifle.  Please.
>5. Texas Tech : Zorro-looking dork on a horse.

B
>6. Texas A&M : Reville the Collie dog.  Why?
>7. Duke : I'm sick of that little blue putz.
>8. Arkansas : Anorexic Razorback.

>9. Miami : I still think it's a chicken.
>10. Texas : Bevo -- the most sedated cow in the world; kind of sad.  

Actually, Arkansas has a live Razorback that they have in a cage.  He's one
big MF, if you've never seen him.  Much meaner than the chearleader/mascot.

Roland
>GT
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SEC Schedules (was Re: Vols Chances for SEC)
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:38:27 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com wrote:
}
}             looking at their schedule (thanks again Mark),

You are welcome!  However, let me take this opportunity to point out
a mistake in the SEC-West schedule I posted.  The Mississippi State-
Florida game will be played in Starkville.  I'm not going to waste 
net bandwidth reposting the whole thing, but just change the site
from "Gainesville" to "Starkville" (with an ink pen, or in the PostScript
file if you are a wizard) and you are all set.  (The site is correct
in the SEC-East schedule.)

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 "When some cold tomorrow finds you, when some subtle dream reminds you
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hey Cliff...
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:02:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Jul31.130934.23334@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>>Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:
>>+ 
>>+ Hey Cliff, what is the name of that dumb Miami bird mascot?
>>+ 
>>Sebastian. A stork, I believe.
>>
>>James - damn bird
>
>You are deliberately trying to annoy me aren't you? 
>
>Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini

Naaahh.  "James - damn bird" wouldn't do that. (is this an Indian name?)


P.S. -- Its obviously an albino crow.  ;)

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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Request for BEC info from Preseason Mags
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:06:25 GMT

I'm gathering data to send to my esteemed coleague Mr. T. Pitts,
who will issue a Big East Preview in the middle of August.

I need the preseason predictions from any publication we can find.
So far I have Athlon, S&S, Sporting News, Lindy, Heinrich's and 
Football Action.  If you can e-mail (see address in my .sig)
a listing of Big East predicted finishes from any other publication,
I would appreciate it; Sports Illustrated?

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From: wlamonac@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: I do, but do you..
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:53:42 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul24.204930.17605@alw.nih.gov> ravi@alw.nih.gov (Ravi Boddapati) writes:
>
>What a bunch of morons!  Can't even stand the thought of someone hating 
>Notre Dame (, Inc. ).  FYI I did not elaborate on any reason(s) just to
>avoid diversion like this.
>
>All I am interested in is knowing whether or not anyone shares my feelings.
>
>Also, looks like there are many more people who hate Notre Dame ( a sister
>company of NBC ).
>
>Finally, I can't help but point out -
>
>	"william lamonaca"  --> "Bill the village idiot" ( in French, ofcourse )
>	"Robert Szczerba"   --> "Bob the zebu" ( in plain English )
>
>-- Ravi

Ravi- if you don't like ND, fine- but IMHO, if you want to start a list of
people who hate ND for no reason (and then ask for no flames) you're playing
with fire.  If the list had included reasons, then maybe we could have a
dialogue on the level of college students- rather than on the level of 5-
year olds (not that I'm averse to behaving like a 5-year old, otherwise I
never would have written the original letter.)

BTW- get your Romance languages straight- LaMonaca is Italian.
(Also, what's a Zebu?).
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:38:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.215815.5255@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.231204.11788@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.164540.6804@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>>>In article <63836@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>>>rszczerb@elgreco.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) wrote:
>>>>}
>>>Here's the theory.  Notre Dame does not want football to influence the
>>>life of the student any more than necessary.  Most freshman redshirting
>>>				   ^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>What a crock, and I guess that goes for the coaches too right? Yeah I can hear
>>the coaches talking to the freshmen players now "we don't want football to
>>have too great an influence on you son but just don't lose more than one or
>>two games a year understand boy"?
>>
>>Does that theory hold true for coaches at almighty U also? Is that why a 4-8
>>coach gets fired, because there is no emphasis on football at Pious U?
>>
>>John "Dolphinatic" Turman
>
>Dear John,
>
>Get a life.
>Coaches obviously place a great emphasis on football (it's their jobs)
>and professors place a great emphasis on academics.  This is no different
>at Notre Dame than at any other school.  Is this 
>too tough a concept for you to comprehend?  I can include pictures next time
>if you think that would help.
>
>	- the rest of the intelligent Universe

If you don't like what I say that's your perrogative, however at least I have the
cojones to sign my name to my posts. To you I say go find your scrotum.

John
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: I do, but do you..
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Jul27.132736.6487@b24a.ingr.com>
	<1992Jul27.153126.29918@news.nd.edu> <1992Jul27.153616.155@news.nd.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:02:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.153616.155@news.nd.edu> james.k.pinkelman.1@nd.edu (Jim Pinkelman) writes:

   Hate to burst your bubble, but ND has never played at "Joe Roby Stadium".
   Orange Bowls are played at the "Orange Bowl" in Miami.  I was at the
   ND-Colorado game a year and a half ago and I stood with about 1,000
   ND Students for the entire game.

   I would expect "REAL FOOTBALL FANS" to know in what stadium the Orange
   Bowl is played.

I personally find the players, coaches, plays, emotions, and scores a whole
lot more interesting than the stadiums.  But to each his own.  

Bill
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From: richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter)
Subject: Re: Shea Morenz: Longhorn or Blue Jay?
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:27:46 GMT

> Not that its likely to occur, but out of curiosity, dose it violate NCAA
> rules to play a professional sport and play a different sport at the
> intercollegiate level?

Unless the rules have changed recently, it is not a violation.  John
Elway played baseball (in the Yankees' organization, I believe) while
playing football at Stanford.  Danny Ainge may have played baseball in
the Toronto organization while playing hoops at BYU.  (I'm not sure
about Ainge.)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Notre Dame vs. BYU
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:46:02 GMT

Mark Mitchell writes:

>If you are so eager to compare common opponents, why don't we compare Notre
>Dame's game against Brigham Young this season to Miami's last game against
>them?

Notre Dame vs. BYU will be a very interesting game to see.  Notre Dame's 
weakness over the past few seasons has been pass defense and that should paly 
right into the hands of the pass-oriented Couger offense.  I think this game 
will be the true measure of how far the new Irish defensive coordinator 
(Minter?) has brought the team.

     - Pat
.
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: Ag Jokes (was Re: The Deserving Heisman?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:18:56 GMT

tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:

>poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:

>>In article <BrsrMu.B42@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>>[The Eggshell Family (Todd and Mike) appology-fest deleted. C'mon! guys,
>>you can do better than that! Let's see some FLAMEZ!]

>>>They were understood.  Besides, Aggies are used to Aggie jokes, I took it as
>>>such.

>>Hey, now! This looks like an acceptable (Hoosiers are Gods!) topic for
>>discussion (ND can't hold Hoosier's jocks). How about it Steve (I love
>>Indiana) Crepps?? Is this authorized? Can we tell Aggie jokes?? I bet
>>Goober's got a zillion of 'em. Here, I'll start:

>>Didja hear about the Aggie who said he'd give his right arm to be
>>ambidextrous?

>At least come up with some new ones!  I don't know if this is new or not, and
>I don't know how it will come out in written form, but here goes!

>(Bad joke warning)

>This guy, probably a stupid t-sip, walks into a bar and tells the bar tender
>that he just heard a great Aggie joke.

>Well, the bar tender stops him and tells him that
>him and the three guys at the next table were all Aggie football players and

Let me see...  1 bartender + 3 guys at a table = 3 no can't be, 5, nah 4!

>then ask if he REALLY wants to tell the joke.

>The guy then looks concerned and says, "no, I don't want to have to explain it
>3 times."
 ^ 4

I guess sometimes the best Aggie jokes are the posters!

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

>(end warning)  Doesn't come out the same on the net.

>I figured since it had former football players in it, it would be o.k. in
>r.s.f.c


>>David Poore
>>poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: the sucking of ND and Miami (was all those threads)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:53:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

>
>Obviously Gary doesn't get up to South Bend all that much.  ND fans are very
>gracious to the opposition BOTH after winning AND losing (which doesn't 
>happen very often).  I've seen opposing fans taunt ND faithful in parking 
>lots after the opposition has lost, hoping to get some sort of 
>rise out of us.  However, I've seen nothing but polite acknowledgement
>of the other's position.  

What?  I have to go to South Bend?  Argh.  Sure, there are some nice
fans.  I've also seen the fans down here at Purdue.  I, and others,
can give you some stories bout graceless fans.

But let me go ahead and be straight out--my point with the previous
post was that a lot of schools' fans are tiresome.  But I do find some
schools more annoying than others.  

As for the fellow who suggested I find a more appropriate list, nah, I
don't think so.  I love football.  I like to watch ND, Miami, and
other good games.  But I do tire of the fans.

>
>
>I can understand many people's dislike for Notre Dame (and maybe even 
>Miami) as I used to be one of those that was disenchanted with ND.  But 
>comments should not be made without firsthand experience.  
>
>And Gary, all I cansay is that just because you have a stinking awful 
>football team doesn't mean that you should vent your frustrations on the 
>rest of us that do.  You should, to paraphrase the Bard, *get thyself to
>a real school* :-) 

Haha, I like that Peter.  Yeah, well, I consider myself primarily as
an A&M fan.  I went there, too.






Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:21:43 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Jul28.123608.1@max.u.washington.edu> daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>
>
>OK, OK...now that all of the preseason football magazines are out, makin'
>
>qqqqq

Is this some sort of code or what?

Njan
From: james.k.pinkelman.1@nd.edu (Jim Pinkelman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: College Football News??
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:41:02 GMT
Organization: UND
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Is there a newsgroup which contains college footbal news?  The
"clari.sports.football"
seems to be almost exclusively Pro-Football news.  The
"rec.sport.football.college"
seems to be almost exclusively opinions.

Is there a group where I can get UPI type college football news ?????

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: the sucking of ND and Miami (was all those threads)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:41:18 GMT

In article <55529@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:

> Stuff Deleted

>Creeping towards suck-dom:
>
>Washing. U.

 Washington University in St. Louis?  I didn't know they had a football team 
 and paid their coach over $150,000!!
 I guess that you learn something new everyday.

>Florida
>Pitt
>Ok State
>Kansas
> 
>the PAC-10

 Oregon State too?

>
>
>
>
>Gary Beason


 Just joking everyone...

 Cheers,

 Behzad
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: fans (was ND fans)
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:24:54 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>pszymans@schiller.helios.nd.edu (peter szymanski) writes:
>>ND fans are very gracious to the opposition 
>
>Last year at Stanford stadium, a female ND fan attacked a band member
>because he was wearing a nun costume and she thought it was insulting.
>
>Gracious?  I would call that boorish, violent and criminally insane.

C'mon guys.  I think we all know it depends on the individual.  Every
school has its fair share of gracious and obnoxious fans.  While I am
an ND fan, I have been (surprise surprise) embarassed by Irish fans'
obnoxious behavior in the past.  I hate it when I see it, but what can
I do about it.

Several Texas A&M fans yelled obcenities at my friends and family as we
walked into the '88 Cotton Bowl.  I didn't think it necessary for my
mother to be exposed to that kind of treatment, so I used to think all
A&M fans were jerks.  (I'm being extremely nice here.)  Now I work with
an Aggie who has shown by example that not all Aggies are a**holes (and
some, in fact, are actually respectable :)

As a side note (since I seem to be doing a great job of wasting time.),
I was at the ND-Tennessee game to which Peter Szymanski referred.  I for
one was impressed by the graciousness with which the Tennessee fans
behaved after their shocking victory.  I expected to hit the bars and 
find a lot of drunk & obnoxious Tennessee fans.  Instead I just found a
lot of drunk Tennessee fans.  If they gave me a little too much friendly
trouble, I just told them that since we lost to them we would probably
have to settle for the Sugar Bowl. Oh well.  :) :)  I didn't realize how
prophetic I was.  Seriously though, I had fun partying with the Vols
even though my team lost.  I would love for ND to play Tennessee again.  
Both games were well played and thrillers right down to the last.


Remember:  All general statements are false!  :)
-Mike Noonan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rbutera@is.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: Shea Morenz: Longhorn or Blue Jay?
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:57:34 GMT

In article <76367@ut-emx.uucp>, jay@astro.as.utexas.edu (Jay Boisseau) writes:
|> 
|> I have this very uneasy feeling, however, that this is just a
|> bargaining maneuver by She's father, as was the fax to the ML baseball
|> teams. I won't believe that he's coming to UT until the day he enrolls
|> (at which time the Blue Jays _can't_ do anything).

Not that its likely to occur, but out of curiosity, dose it violate NCAA
rules to play a professional sport and play a different sport at the
intercollegiate level?  Could he "attempt" to play for Toronto during the
offseason and still play football?  I know its virtually impossible
(neither coach would like it and he'd have to meet NCAA class-hour
requirements as a full time student), but is it explitly against the
rules?  Suppose Tornoto had a minor league team in Austin (yeah, right) ...

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From: macdevil@netlink.cts.com (Leonard Cayetano)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:42:25 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

jbrdc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (David C. Brock) writes:

> Glenn Tanner writes:
> ...
> >Top Ten Dumbest [Mascots]:
> >1. Notre Dame : No comment needed.
> >2. Cal : The bear looks wimpier than Winnie the Pooh.
> Wait, sure Oski is friendly looking, but for wimpy, you ought to look
> to Cal's little sister of the south, UCLA, and their stupid housewife-
> bear mascot!
> 
> --Dave Brock

That is SO true.  By the way, the Aztecs will ROMP the Bruins
in UCLA.

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From: gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall)
Subject: More 'Cane mindless banterings ( was Re: ND stops series w/Miami )
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:29:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.201307.4044@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>Does that mean that all us Canes fans are just a bunch of blowhards? 

hmmm ... let's see.  From the fact that 9 of the possible 11 available articles
for me to read this morning were written (and rather subjectively I might add) 
by you, my answer to this question would be a resounding 'Yes'.


>The opinions expressed here are sole property of the author and are not
>the opinions of Make Systems or any other entity. What a shame.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Do you actually *do* anything for them, or simply post annoying articles
on thier behalf?

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>John "Dolphinatic" Turman



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