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>I am 5'10" tall and weigh only 115 lbs. Very low weight for my height, and I
>look very skinny too. Most of the time I don't feel like eating anything at
>all. Can you suggest some simple beginning exercises, which I can do at home to
>increase my appetite.
>Is it advisable to take health foods like amino acids, weight gainers, muscle
>builders, etc.. If it is allright to take them, please suggest some brand names
>which I can take to gain some weight and muscle.
>
>Please e_mail your replies to
>Prasad_s@ercvx1.msu.edu

I have the same problem.  I force myself to eat at least three good-sized,
healthy meals per day.  If I lift and eat all my meals, I don't
lose any weight, but I don't gain either.  

To gain weight, I need to use weight-gain powder 2-3 times per
day, in between meals.  This gives me another 500-1000 fat-free
calories, and I not only gain weight but I also gain strength
and muscle mass much faster.  Though I'm a bit worried about the stress
that the protein in the weightgain powder puts on my kidneys
(or liver, or wherever protein is processed).  Still, for my
fast metabolism, the extra carbs are definitely needed.

Good luck,

Joe
From: jmgst26@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Joseph M Goodwin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Wanted: Nordic Track (low-midrange model)
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:29:49 GMT
Reply-To: jmgst26@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Joseph M Goodwin)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys

The title says it all.  Will consider the three-four low-range
models, as those are most likely to be in mu price range.

Mike
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Steroid effects
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 07:08:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.192022.5455@vax.oxford.ac.uk> annan@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Does anyone out there know what side-effects steroids are supposed to have?

Steroids in this context refer to so-called "anabolic steroids"
which are simply male sex hormones--androgens--used for their anabolic
(nitrogen-retaining, muscle building) capabilities.

You have to remember that such drugs were frequently used by bodybuilders
at doses never dreamed of by the manufacturer.

It's convenient to separate the drugs into two classes: those
effective orally, and those only effective by injection.
Testosterone and several synthetic derivatives are not effective
orally, because they are destroyed when the pass thru the liver
after being absorbed from the gut.  All orally effective androgens
have a 17-alpha-methyl substitution on the steroid nucleus.  This
prevents their destruction by the liver, but also imbues them
with the potential for liver toxicity.  More on that later.

Typical side effects can include mood changes (increased aggressiveness,
irritability, etc.), water retention, increased sebum production, even
acne.  In women, you have to be very careful when giving these drugs
because androgens cause masculination (not only of the musculature,
but of the larynx and external genitalia).

The drugs tend to raise serum cholesterol and lower HDL (good)
cholesterol.  The orally active androgens can cause subclinical
liver dysfunction (elevated liver enzymes), but have also produced
outright jaundice and hepatitis.  They have been implicated in
the devlopment of a rare syndrome known as hepatic peliosis
where blood-filled cysts pockmark the liver.

These drugs suppress gonadotropin release, and hence the production
of endogenous testosterone from the testes.  Rarely, you will see
the paradoxical situation of a male bodybuilder developing breasts
(not pectorals).  This is due to the fact that metabolites of
testosterone and several other androgens can be aromaticized
in the liver to produce estrogen.

At recommended medical doses, and with medical supervision,
including intervention if side effects are experienced,
my educated guess is that these drugs are minimally harmful.
However, that's not at all how they have been used in
bodybuilding.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: butteris@dingus.ssc.gov (Jamey Butteris)
Subject: Re: Grams of Carbs
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.123442.22803@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU writes:
> Hi,
> 
>    I keep reading about how many grams of protein a bodybuilder should
>    eat but never any talk about grams of carbs. Why is that? Are carbs
>    measured only by the calories? I eat a lot of pasta before a workout
>    but am never sure if I have had enough (in terms of grams or cals).
>    Is there a standard accepted measure like the one for protein?
> 
>    thanks,
>    Sanjay

Not sure, but it seems that the daily balance of calories needed for  
sustanance would balance the proteins against the carbs and fats. 

l8r'

Jamey B @ SSC 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Calves (was Re: Lat pulldowns (was Re: Average Lifting Ability ))
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:36:41 GMT

In article <Apr.12.14.19.45.1992.19424@romulus.rutgers.edu> clong@romulus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.194849.17621@athena.mit.edu>, Claude Poux writes:
>
>> yes, but chris, what is your bodyfat level, and what is your
>> waistline?
>
>Gee, Claude, I wasn't aware that much fat ever got deposited on the
>calves.  If you must know, when I flex them I can see the split in
>the two major parts from top to bottom.  My chest is also more than
>10" bigger than my waist; how about you?  When I flex my chest it
>splits the pecs nicely into upper and lower (I get a nice roll), and
>the three seperate muscles in my thighs stand out when I flex them.
>I'm not ripped and I need to lose about 20 pounds of fat (in my
>estimation), but I'm certainly not a pig.  Why do people even
>measure their bodyfat?  All you have to do is look in the mirror.
>
>The only people you're going to find who are ripped and 240 at 5'10"
>are heavy steroid users, which I'm certainly not one.

gee, chris, i was not imputing that you oinked oinked when you went to
the gym, and i am sorry that you interpreted my query that way.  240,
5'10" is impressive, and i wanted to know your other numbers.  one's
waistline is usually a very good indicator of bodyfat, and certainly
is key when sizing up one's physique -- that is why i asked.... all
the bodybuilding charts i have seen suggest that a bodybuilder at
5'10" should have a waistline in the neighborhood of 33". and if you
have or eventually accomplish that, then you have indeed a succes fou!
i believe that i sent you a copy of ironman's chart in the mail about a year
ago.  what did you think of those numbers?  

as far as your (seeming) contention that fat does not accumulate on
calves -- well, fat accumulates everywhere -- it's just that for men,
a lot of it accumulates in the gut-- but no bodypart is immune,
certainly.  just to look at the extreme case for an example -- 
the sumo wrestlers -- clearly, there is a lot of fat in their legs....

and to your question about the difference in measurements between my
chest and waist - my waist is now 34.5", and my chest is 45".  my goal
is to maintain the waistline and increase the chest to 48", and i
think it is doable.......

ciao,

poo
From: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM (Mark Conti - Sun Syracuse, NY FE)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Metabolism Query
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:36:57 GMT
Reply-To: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: onondaga.east.sun.com

How do you figure your calories per body weight? 
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Mark Conti			Email:  mark.conti@east.sun.com
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: slim shake, NOT!
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:03:34 GMT

>From: woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside)
>
>The discrepency on the label in question appears to be in error, unless that
>calculated the total calories when mixed with water, and the carbs, protein, a
>fat were calculated when mixing with milk.  But this would certainly be
>misleading.

Just to clarify, it was clearly stated that these were the calories (and fat,
protein, and carbs) if mixed with milk.  there was another list of info if
mixing with water, with lower total calorie count (117 maybe? i don't remember
exactly but it was less).

There was nothing misleading about the info, except that the total number
of calories listed on the label is WRONG.  Just thought i'd warn others to
read the labels carefully, and do a quick check to see if the numbers add
up (or are close).  This is a case where someone may *think* they are drinking
a "diet" shake and wonder why they aren't losing any weight!

of course, the label error could also be the carb content, which would make
more sense to me (or why call it a "slim shake"!).

keep pumpin'
Janice

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From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Calves
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:31:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Actually Claude, I have a gif of myself made from a picture that was
taken about a year and a half ago when I was at 215.  When I go down
to 220 from 240 I'll be substantially bigger and harder than I was in
this picture, but if you're curious let me know and I'll forward you
a uuencoded copy of the gif.
From: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Metabolism Query
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:53:25 GMT
Reply-To: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to increase your metabolism
rate.  I jog (30 minutes) or bicycle (1 hour) everyday and in order
to maintain my weight I have to eat next to nothing.  I know it is
my metabolism.  The books that I have read say that if you exercise
regular (which I do daily) that your metabolism will increase.  It
doesn't work.  Any suggestions?

I don't mind bicycling but sometimes an hour is hard to fit into my
schedule and the weather isn't always condusive.  I hate jogging but at 
least I can fit it in and I can jog when the weather is bad or cold.  I 
would like to be able to do aerobics twice or three times a week and not 
have to worry about gaining weight. I also feel like you get a better
workout with aerobics.
From: jpeach@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Popping my joints
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:55:47 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr8.160325.10091@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, lkoh@elman.austin.ibm.com (Lisa Koh;Austin) writes:
> Could someone in the know please tell me once and for all what the
> consequences are for popping my joints?  I'm twenty years old
> and have been popping my fingers, ankles, back, shoulders, toes, 
> knees, hips, ...well, you get the idea... ever since i was little...
> will i suffer in the end for this?  does this really make the
> joints & knuckles bigger?  how can i stop?  does it dry up the 
> synovial fluids or something like that?

Popping your joints is not a good idea.  There is a number of studies that
show a relationship between doing this and and increase risk of developing
arthritis in the joint.  There is alos an increase in scar tissue that
tends to develop that can lead to all kinds of problems.  
I will not make the joints bigger.
One way that you can stop this is to increase the tone of the muscles
that support the joint.  Often when people have a problem like this it
is because the ligaments in the joints are damaged and are not supporting
the joint and preventing nonphysilogical movements.  If the muscle tone is
increases it will tend to hold the muscle in the joint better.  Also it will
increase the rate at which a spinal reflex can respond to cause a muscle to
contract in order to prevent or reduce the severity of an injury.

Take for example people who are always dislocating their shoulder.  In this
joint the humerous (upper arm) is held in place by ligaments.  If they where
not there the arm would fall off.  For these people, the muscle is trained
to replace the ligaments and hold it up in the genoid fossia (shoulder joint).
 
 
 
///MiStEr pEaCh\\\
From: jprice@DPW.COM (Janice Price)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Nordic Track
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:54:09 GMT
Organization: DP&W, New York, NY

Thanks for all of your info on the Nordic Track (cross country ski
machine).  I ordered the Pro Model and I received it within 8 days of
ordering it.  At first it felt awkward but after my third day I was
comfortable and I am SO HAPPY to have it.  I wish had gotten one sooner.
It is a great workout and I have been using it it every day.
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From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Joint Pain
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:47:15 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

It was a JOKE, pEaCH!!

Finding someone who's strongly in favour of joint pain is probably
about as easy as finding someone who's *really excited* about the
choice of candidates for November. (This, by the way, is also a joke...)

-- Don Roberts
   dwr@llnl.gov
From: markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Mark Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Back workout: complete?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:04:50 GMT
Reply-To: markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU's message of 16 Apr 92 17:41:34 GMT

In article <9204161853.AA11552@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:

** pushups work the chest and triceps, not the back.  it may help to think of
** pushups as an upside down bench press, in which you press your bodyweight
** instead of the barbell!  therefore, close/normal "grip" will work chest,
** and wide "grip" will work triceps!  make sense?

It's the other way around. Wide grip works chest, close grip works
triceps.

-Mark
--

Mark Friedman
MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
545 Technology Sq.
Cambridge, Ma. 02139

markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kim%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kwansik Kim)
Subject: Re: Calories burned while thinking
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:40:35 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <92103.111526GU7@psuvm.psu.edu> GU7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I've read and seen posted here and in other groups information
>about the amount of calories burned during various physical
>activities.  However, no mention is ever made of the number of
>calories burned while thinking.  I'm not talking about sitting
>on the couch thinking, I'm talking high-powered,hard-work,geez-my-
>head-hurts-when-I'm-done thinking.

I think I read a list of calories for various activities which includes
"studying". I'm not sure "high-power-head-hurting thinking" can be 
classified into "studying". I don't remember the exact number but 
the cal usage was simialr with very low physical activities like
driving or cleaning room. I guess if we're too anxious about studying
the calories will go up.

Kwansik Kim
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroid effects
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:57:23 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Apr15.070851.720@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>You have to remember that such drugs were frequently used by bodybuilders
>at doses never dreamed of by the manufacturer.

Absolutely right!

>It's convenient to separate the drugs into two classes: those
>effective orally, and those only effective by injection.
>Testosterone and several synthetic derivatives are not effective
>orally, because they are destroyed when the pass thru the liver
>after being absorbed from the gut.  All orally effective androgens
>have a 17-alpha-methyl substitution on the steroid nucleus.  This
>prevents their destruction by the liver, but also imbues them
>with the potential for liver toxicity.  More on that later.

Sorry, Steve, I have to disagree here.  Some oral steroids are very effective.
An example would be Anadrol.  Anadrol is the most potent oral steroid
available.  The most important thing about orals is their chemical structure
as you noted above.  If these drugs are taken at the levels that many
bodybuilders recommend, they can be very damaging to the liver IF TAKEN OVER
LONG CYCLING PERIODS.  Shorter cycles of 4-5 weeks will allow not allow the
liver to become too overloaded in most cases.  Remember, everyone's genetic
makeup is different.  Injectables are more effective than orals because they
get into the blood faster without being broken down at all.

[Lots of side effects deleted]

Some steroids will not aromatize.  Primobolan depot is one of them.  This drug
will NEVER aromatize.  Deca-Durabolin normally does not aromatize, even under
large doses.

>At recommended medical doses, and with medical supervision,
>including intervention if side effects are experienced,
>my educated guess is that these drugs are minimally harmful.
>However, that's not at all how they have been used in
>bodybuilding.

Absolutely, but they also would not produce the effects that bodybuilders and
powerlifters want.

							-Adam

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     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jacquier@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier )
Subject: Re: Joint Pain
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 18:18:16 GMT

bryan@npri6.npri.com (Bryan Smith) writes:

>Joint pain?  Use a roach clip.  Otherwise, it's hell on your fingers and lips.
>									:-)

Joint pain is a perfectly normal part of exercising and workouts. In all
health clubs, you see people experiencing joint pain and enjoying it.
:-)

EJ
From: markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Mark Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: most efficient use of gym time
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:15:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: montreux.MARKF.92Apr9141529
Reply-To: markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org's message of 9 Apr 92 13:02:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.130258.23963@linus.mitre.org> jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman) writes:

**    I am trying to keep myself fit (and thin) using the C. Bailey
** approach, ie diet(low fat), aerobic excercise, and strength/muscle
** building. I run for aerobics. For strength/muscle building I belong to
** the corporate health club which is well equipped with free weights and
** machines. Obviously I can't spend a lot of time there (lunch hour
** really). What excercise/routines can I use to make most effective use
** of my time in there given that I want to build strength/muscle mass.
** Note I have only about one hour there 2-3 times a week. I have some
** weights and a bench at home too.

For strength/mass I would first suggest Squats and Bench Presses. They
both exercise a number of muscle groups and they exercise large muscle
groups. It's tough to beat that combination. They are also exercises
that are hard to do safely and intensely at home.

Secondly, I would suggest some back exercise and some quadriceps
exercise. Here the idea is to balance the Squats and Bench Presses
with exercises which work antagonistic muscle groups (i.e. pulling vs.
pushing or curling vs. extending) and again to work relatively large
muscle groups.

You might also want to work your calves at the club, since they are
fairly large muscles and I personally like calve machines much better
than the usual at-home alternatives.

You will probably still have some time for arm and shoulder work, but
remember that these are relatively small muscles and are fairly easy
to exercise at home.

Let me also give a qualified plug here for Nautilus type machines. I
think that they are excellent machines for doing isolation exercises
(i.e. exercises that try to isolate a single muscle group) like biceps
curls, triceps extensions and chest flys. I don't buy the Nautilus
single set theory, but I do think that you can get away with fewer
sets. I would recommend them to you to use in addition to the above
free weight exercises, if you have time.

-Mark
--

Mark Friedman
MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
545 Technology Sq.
Cambridge, Ma. 02139

markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Heavy curls
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:10:44 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <308@vercors.frec.bull.fr> kossa@B.O.S. (Marc Kossa) writes:
>
>  I'd like to know what kind of strenth can be obtained on Barbell Curls
>for biceps. Is is something like half of what you can do on Bench Press ?
>Or is it better related to chins behind the neck ?
>  BTW, is there any truth in the fact that some guys can curl up to 300 lbs
>for reps ? This seems an awful lot to me !!

Yes, there are actually people that can curl up to and over 300 pounds for
reps.  For instance, Troy Zuccholotto (sp?) can curl 275 for reps.  I'm
originally from Cherry Hill, NJ.  I went to Gold's Gym in Cherry Hill during
my Winter break of 1990-91.  There was a guy there curling 245 for 5 reps.
The first couple were pretty strict.  I know for a fact that this guy was
using steroids.  One of my friends knew him.

A friend of mine that I knew back in high school could curl 175 for 8 reps
(some cheated).  He was not using steroids or any growth or strength enhancing
drugs.

							-Adam

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     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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From: IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Cryan Jr.)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Protein
Date: 5 Apr 92 20:20:49 GMT
 <1992Apr1.122456.2054@stat.appstate.edu> <762@jgaltstl.UUCP>
 <1992Apr3.165228.12825@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System



In article <1992Apr3.165228.12825@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, nelson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
(Charles Nelson) says:
>
>The May issue of _Running Times_ has an article about the
>protein needs of runners (endurance athletes). I forget the
>details but I remember the author saying that runners
>need more protein than weightlifters. If I remember correctly
>weightlifters were said to need 1.75 ounces of protein per
>100 lbs. of bodyweight. And runners were said to need 2.5
>ounces of protein per 100 lbs. of bodyweight.


What is meant by 1.75/2.5 ounces of protein?  How does that translate
to grams?

Or am I just way out in left field.

Thanks

Rob