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From: smorshea@cc.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Where is ex-Knicks Kenny Walker ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:33:00 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

In article <BvCE6D.46n@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
> rzhu@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Happy Programmer) writes:
> 
> 
> 	However, I would not call Kenny Walker "talentless".  The man was
> 	the 2nd all-time leader scorer in UK history -- and was a unanimous
> 	all-american his senior year at UK.  Kenny could really jump, and
> 	he could rebound and defend.  However -- he was typical of the 
> 	great college player who couldn't fit himself into the pros.  He
> 	played with his back to the basket at UK -- and with the Knicks,
> 	he had to shoot jumpers, which wasn't his specialty.  Needless to
> 	say, he never really found a role -- and then found himself out
> 	of the league.  Kind of a shame for a man who's such a good citizen.
> 
> 	Jazzy J
> -- 
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I agree with the good citizen part, however an article I read in a sports 
magazine seems to sum up Walker very well (don't ask what magazine, I can't
remember).  Basically he said that Walker failed in the nba because he could 
not adapt his game.  You make the point he played the post at uk, yet he wasn't
given this opportunity at ny, every time I say him play (not very many) he 
didn't have any post moves at all.  In fact the commentators talked about this 
in some of the games.  In his last season he had really improved, but again no 
post moves, and I'm sure the nicks could have used another post player (apart
from Ewing).  However from what I've heard he did play well in Europe, until
he blew out his knee, which may explain why he was seen at uk so often.
Any correspondance on this welcome
Andrew
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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: trading Hakeem
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.232043.155235@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.144112.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, smorshead@cc.curtin.edu.au wri
>tes:
>>Speculation on Hakeem,
>>
>>last year a lot of rumors came up about Hakeem going to the Lakers.
>>This still seems viable to me, LA could give up Divac, Perkins, and another
>>backcourt player (Scott?) for Olajuwon.  This may not be a fair trade anymore,
>>but if you want fair how did Magic get that gigantic contract extension (I bet
>>he won't play that season)?  Anyway, opinions on this speculation are most
>>welcome.
>>
>I believe the latest trade rumor was Olajuwon for A.C. Green, Elden Campbell
>and Byron Scott.  The problem was the salary cap and the Lakers couldn't fit
>him in.  I would certainly go along with your trade and that could work
>because Perkins has a pretty big contract as well.  However, Houston doesn't
>want a highly paid, prone to injury and on the downside of his career, Sam
>Perkins.  Divac's value has dropped tremendously after last season although I
>think Magic's presence will help him.  Scott has definately past his prime and
>doesn't have much value anymore.
>

I heard the Bullets were trying to put together a 
deal involving William Bedford, Bo Kimble, and
Kevin Gamble (pending the Gugliotta deal) in
exchange for Olajuwon.  I don't know, I guess
it could happen.

Scott



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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: First Round Picks?
Organization: Indiana Daily Student
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:44:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.132952.21072@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>
>I am going out on a limb, but since Laettner's expectations are not as
>high as Shaq, I have to say Laettner will be Rook of the Year, I really
>do.  I don't think with the expectations the Orlando Magic have in Shaq
>that he can do anything (besides win the BIG ONE) to get it. JMO!!!

My predicition - if Dallas improves on last season's dismal record and by some
chance makes the playoffs, they will have only one person to thank -- Jimmy
Jackson.  As much as I like Laettner, I see JJ as ROTY before CL.

>Chris....

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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Lakers to Go all the way.
Keywords: Lakers to go all the way.
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.015617.908@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>I can only say, Western Conference fans, don't waste your time watching any 
>NBA games if you're not a Lakers fan because you'll only be disappointed.
>While all of the focus is on the over-hyped Phoenix Suns, look for the Lakers
>to quietly take the division with a possible 70 wins.  

While you're dreaming, maybe the Lakers will pick up Wilt Chamberlain and he'll
be as dominant as he was in the 60's...
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Quest for the threepeat...
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:33:15 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <1992Oct16.161208.21599@zip.eecs.umich.edu> raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani) writes:
>In article <ldslipINNppd@cronkite>, andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:
>|> 
>|> In Eurpoean news,  Bulls pick & silver medalist Toni Kukoc reportedly 
>|> wants to sign with the Bulls & buy out of his Italian contract.  Since
>|> I think the Bulls have 1-1.5 Mil still under the cap that they can play,
>|> however,  they would likely need to trade a current player.
>|> 
>
>If Kukoc does sign then it's goodbye Rodney McCray - I'm sure there are 
>quite a few teams who would want to take him. Problem is - where does 
>Kukoc play? He can probably play both shooting guard and small forward
>but both those positions are taken. Point guard? - well he can probably 
>play that position but he is certainly too big to defend some of the 
>quicker points in the NBA. And I doubt he would accept coming off the 
>bench.
>
>Raghu

Why force yourself to pick a position for Kukoc?  If you put Grant and 
Cartwright on the front line and let Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc share time bringing
the ball up court, there is little or no need to pick positions.  From
a defensive perspective, Kukoc can guard the opposing SF, Pippen can 
guard the opposing SG, and Jordan can guard the PG.

This lineup would only have problems when the opposing PG is too quick
for Jordan (not TOO likely), and if so, simply let Kukoc be first off
of the bench and at all times have Jordan/Pippen, Jordan/Kukoc, Pippen/Kukoc
on the floor covering the PG and SF slots (with either BJ or Paxson acting
more like a SG -- which is basically what happens in the Paxson/Jordan/
Pippen/Grant/Cartwright lineup).

I'm sure they could work something out with a Jordan/Kukoc/Pippen/Grant/
Cartwright lineup!


Does ANYONE have any more information on this?!?!?!?


-- 
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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: first round failures
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:33:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>	Which brings up a trivia question:  Who was the last 1st round pick
>>	to not stick on the opening day roster?  
>
>Ronnie Murphy?
>
>(Portland, 1987, #17, just ahead of RotY Mark Jackson)

I have a hard time believing we have to go all the way back to 1987
for an answer to this one.  It can't be that uncommon.  Phoenix is
flirting with it for the second time in as many years.  Due to a
severe weight problem and a salary dispute, Oliver Miller is in
serious danger of not making the roster.  Last year, Jayson Williams
would certainly not have made the roster; luckily for Phoenix, they
found a sucker (Philadelphia) willing to trade for him.

Tony

P.S.-- Does Len Bias count?
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From: hopkins@sparc1.ist.ucf.edu (Sean Hopkins)
Subject: Brian Williams -- Injured Again
Organization: VSL, IST, UCF, Orlando
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:19:10 GMT

The Orlando Magic wont have the services of Brian Williams for at
least 6 weeks.  A large weight was dropped on his foot in a freak
weightlifting accident.  However, several unamed sources think
that maybe Brian did this to prevent himself from going to practice.
Right now, he is scared to death to step out onto the court because
he has no idea what is going on and doesnt want to risk his life to
play.  He has been cleared by the Magic doctors.  However, now with
the new injury the team doctors hope that they can monitor his 
condition closely to maybe find out what is wrong.  Hopefully, he will
report to camp so he can be monitored but he still hadnt come in as 
of late last evening.  I personally think he will be able to play 
once he gets over his fear and if that means seeing a psychic then
maybe he should  do it.  He wont be able to play until he gets over
the mental block which will not be an easy task.  I really hope that he
can get over the collapsing and all the bad luck and help the
Magic win the Atlantic!!!  Brian has to much potential to be a star
to be lost on these collapsing spells.  I hope to the baskeball Gods
that he will recover for his sake.  I would hate to see a player
who has the ability to be a superstar be lost on something like this.

-- Sean Hopkins
-- 1 week until the Shaq's debut!!!
-- 29 Days until the Regular Season starts at the Love Shaq!!


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From: jshg1134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey S. Hoeft)
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:37:56 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>>	Which brings up a trivia question:  Who was the last 1st round pick
>>>	to not stick on the opening day roster?  (We're not counting
>>>	players that went off to play in another country -- i.e. Danny
>>>	Ferry, Anthony Avent, etc.)



    Could it be.......Mark Randall from Kansas?  Drafted by Da Bulls last
    year?  I can't remember if he stuck around long enough for the 
    opening day roster or not.  Seems to me like he played in preseason,
    but someone came back before the regular season started.  Could be
    wrong though.

    Jeff
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Latest Clippers News (Kiki and Elmore)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:50:15 GMT

Clips signed Elmore Spencer to a 3-year deal worth $1.x million (where
x is around 3, I think).

Then they turned around and signed Kiki Vandeweghe (as rumored by this
reporter last week) to the NBA minimum for 1 year ($140,000).

Good to see Spencer ready for camp.  Should be a fun year in Clipper
land.
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From: campo@sunthpi3.difi.unipi.it (Massimo Campostrini)
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Reply-To: campo@sunthpi3.difi.unipi.it
Organization: Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare, Pisa, Italy
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:36:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.201538.8600@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
|> 
|> I think this is a great move by the Bulls.  The Bulls roster know looks
|> like...
|> 
|> PG: Paxson      Armstrong
|> SG: Jordan      Tucker       C.Williams
|> SF: Pippen      McCray
|> PF: Grant       King
|> C : Cartwright  S.Williams   Perdue
|> 
|> The Bulls now have a VERY deep bench.
|> 
|> Look out...
|> 
|> -- 
|> Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
|> Bell Northern Research, Inc.

Well, it looks like the Bulls can get quality minutes from all 12
(except maybe C.Williams)...

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From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: Re: Scottie Pippen
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:51:52 GMT

In <1992Oct10.122626.5426@ida.liu.se> d89larli@odalix.ida.liu.se (Lars Lindqvist) writes:

>What teams have Scottie Pippen before Chicago ? I think I've heard somewhere that he was coach for a highschool
>team when someone told him that with his atletic abilities he should start to play basketball 'seriously'.....and
>he did. Have I got it all wrong ?...or

>Regards Lars L

As far as I can remember Scottie Pippen was drafted by the Seattle Supersonics
then promptly traded for Olden Polynice on draft day.  He was not a high 
school coach, but I think I know where you're coming from.

At Central Arkansas, Scottie Pippen did not get a basketball scholarship.
He was originally there on a football management scholarship.  Someone (I 
don't know who) saw him playing one day, and the basketball coach offered him
a spot on the roster.  He became an NAIA All-American (I think his senior year)
-- 
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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: trading Hakeem
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:57:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

smorshead@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>Speculation on Hakeem,
>
>last year a lot of rumors came up about Hakeem going to the Lakers.
>This still seems viable to me, LA could give up Divac, Perkins, and another
>backcourt player (Scott?) for Olajuwon.

What, are you kidding?  That's not viable!  That's ridiculous!
Totally imp--

Wait a sec.  Who's GMing for Houston these days?  Steve Patterson?

Could happen.

Tony
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From: belo@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Bela Voigt)
Subject: Re: My own thoughts
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: fb20
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:07:28 GMT

skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) writes:

>
>        Could someone please post me the name of the song played during
>player introductions in Chicago and who sings it? TIA
>
>                                                       SKH

I think it's "SIRIUS" by ALAN PARSONS PROJECT of the LP "EYE IN THE SKY".
"SIRIUS" is an instrumental that starts the song "EYE IN THE SKY".

belo
belo@cs.tu-berlin.de
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From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Subject: Re: Warriors Notes
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:13:18 GMT

In <1992Oct9.081236.1@vaxr.llnl.gov> edmunds@vaxr.llnl.gov writes:


>  - Lister is looking good, and is healthy.  He'll be competing for
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Isn't that an oxymoron? I guess every time I hear Lister's name I feel
better about Benjamin!

Sorry, couldn't resist :-)
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cavs (was Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkins?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:09:17 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <98281@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>
>There should be a Webster available on Internet which would have NBA'ers
>names. I am tired of seeing "Jerald Wilkens" and a new spelling each
>time for Sarunas M. ( afraid of misspelling his name myself, even though
>I would put it as Marchulenis, which is closed to the way his name was pronounced
>in XUSSR).

 there is a sort of webster available at ftp.wustl.edu in /doc/misc/nbastats
 where you can ftp roster files from one of the subdirectories.  there is a
 single file, "roster", that should have all of 1991-2's names in it.

- nate, filling in for Sarunas Marciulionis here
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Orlando Magic Update
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:42:08 GMT

With the Magic's preseason opener one day away (Friday, in Miami), there is
mixed news from camp.  Both Jerry Reynolds (neck) and Brian Williams remain
out of camp.  Brian should join sometime this coming week, finally giving
Doctors a good chance to monitor his heart during the type of exertion that
seems to trigger his fainting spells.  No return date has been forecast for
Reynolds.  In addition Nick Anderson will miss about one week of practice
(and both Miami games) with a severely sprained ankle.  At least its only a
sprain; the way Orlando's luck has been running I expected to hear that 
Nick had been lost for the year.

On the plus side, Dennis Scott has been looking surprisingly good during
practices.  In the final scrimmage befor the team returned to Orlando,
Scott scored 23 pts and was 5-5 from in 3 pointers.  Another pleasant
surprise has been the play of free-agent guard Daimon Sweet.  If he plays
well during the rest of camp, and if Reynolds' and Williams' recoveries
continue to be slow, he could be picked up.

The Orlando Sentinel mentioned that Sweet played for the Suns at their Rookie
camp.  Does anyone have a report on how he did there.

Tom@Orlando
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From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkens?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:52:19 GMT

Yes, it IS true that the Cavs signed Gerald Wilkens.  The paper only said
that it was a "multi-year" contract, but it does have the provision for 
him to buy his unrestricted free agency after 1 year, ala Xavier McDaniel.

Good for Gerald.  As athletic as he is, he belongs in the NBA.  However, I 
believe the Knicks couldn't wait any longer for him to develop a consistent
outside jumper -- enter Rolando Blackman (and don't forget Hubert Davis -
I read where he really impressed Riley this summer in the rookie league).
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:58:16 GMT

jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff) writes:

>>PG: Paxson      Armstrong
>>SG: Jordan      Tucker       C.Williams
>>SF: Pippen      McCray
>>PF: Grant       King
>>C : Cartwright  S.Williams   Perdue

>What about Byron Houston?  I can't see them cutting him, but where do
>you put him?  The Bulls can't keep discarding their 1st round picks
>or they'll get old in a hurry.

	Well, remember, Byron Houston was traded away to Golden State in
	that 3-team deal that allowed them to pick up Rodney McCray.

	Which brings up a trivia question:  Who was the last 1st round pick
	to not stick on the opening day roster?  (We're not counting
	players that went off to play in another country -- i.e. Danny
	Ferry, Anthony Avent, etc.)

	Jazzy J

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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bye Bye Bedford (was Re: Bye Bye Fatman)
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:11:58 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <BvvF5G.CzL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
|> 	If Unseld can get anything productive out of Bedford, name him
|> 	coach of the year -- if not coach of the decade.  William Bedford
|> 	is your proverbial "head case".  Heck, he was even involved in
|> 	drugs.  Talk about a 6-year project who still hasn't developed.
|> 	Don't get me wrong -- he has all the skills -- but no basketball
|> 	sense.  

Well, the Bullets seem to agree with you, and released him after he 
missed 3 of the 4 practices. The Clips will pick up his salary for
the year. McLean will be signed into the salary slot left open from 
Bedford's release.

|> 
|> 	With the acquisition of MacLean, U'd have to wonder what Bullets
|> 	management will do now with Gugliotta.  They are fairly similar
|> 	players.  Perhaps a trade in the works (i.e. Boston)?

The Bullets are trying to get a medical exemption for Bernard, and 
sign Gugs in that slot. We'll see what happens, but I doubt a trade
is in the works (and hopefully NOT WITH THE CELTICS). 


Ron




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From: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Ignorant (was Re: Selfish)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:14:02 GMT

This is just a question, but if MAGIC should'nt play pro bball due to his HIV 
status as he could infect other players should he also no longer play pick up
because he might infect those playing with him.  It would be a bit much to say
to MAGIC you can never play competitive bball again, shit I don't think i could cope with that and I've only been playing for two and a half years imagine what it would mean to someone who's whole life has revolved around basketball. It would be pretty devastating not to bee agble to play again i think.  
I mean it could go on and on 
over whether or not MAGIC should play or not but it's not going to change 
anything.  The NBA, MAGIC and the other players will all do there best to avoid 
someone contracting HIV from MAGIC, it might happen and then again it might not.
Hopefully no one will contract HIV from MAGIC and the LAKERS will win the 
championship.

disclaimer: this is just my opionion and i am not trying to flame anyone.
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