From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Punishing achievement (still replies to Aug 4? summary)
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Date: 10 Aug 92 18:31:49 PST
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In article <4384@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
> }sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
> }>There is NO american dream if once you reach it, the government takes most
> }>of it away from you.  It's socialism, and I, for one, don't want it!!  The
> }>one thing Rush is right about, if ANYTHING,  is the idea that the democrats
> }>want to punish achievement.
> }
> }    Now, there you go again, Susan. You should realize that having all of
> }your money taken away isn't a punishment... We're trying to HELP you so
> }that all that nasty, dirty money doesn't cause you any mental or moral
> }distress. What you've got to realize is that people subliminally WANT the
> }government to help them get out from under the dizzying responsiblity of
> }deciding where to spend those ill-gotten gains.
> }
> }    Punishment, forsooth. "It's just for your own good..."
>
> 1) << Sounds of me rolling on the desktop with pains invoked by so much
> laughter >>
>
> 2) I have noticed that there is a common denominator with regards to
> Democratic policies and Republican policies. The baseline, fundamental
> policy that I think differentiates one party from the other is how they
> perceive the American populace.
>
> Democrats seem to assume that all people are bad (a "born guilty"
> complex) and those well off won't willingly help those less fortunate.

Perhaps Russ Anderson will post from his almanac the IRS data, based upon
personal income tax returns...  The data shows that the RICH donate huge
somes of money to charities...  If that's not helping the less fortunate,
what is?

> Hence to them trickle-down economics won't work because the "rich
> Republicans" << refer to Cuomo's reference to "Bush's friends" who were
> executives in the S&L Crisis >> are greedy and will not give their funds

Who were the Keating 5?  Remember, Keating is in jail, the 5 are NOT!
And Bush wasn't one of the 5... :)

> willingly to help the poor, the sick, the uneducated, the homeless, etc.
> The more rich one is, the more selfish he/she is, and the more they
> should be taxed in order to make life more liveable for those have-nots.

Those tax table data shows the $1,000,000+ income people donate 80x what
the less fortunate do...

> This mentality carries a little bit into other non-economic elements:
> all white males are evil because they treat women and minorities like
> scum whether it is in the workplace or outside. Hence since these men
> will never be willing to give up their power, laws should be instituted
> to force their hands to be sure they never dominate the lives of every
> non-white-male in the country.
>

Actually, a noble principle:  the "cruel" majority should not dominate
the minorities...

> Republicans seem to blindly give the benefit of the doubt and trust
> everybody (no matter how stupid granting that trust is). Supply-side
> economics is of course the paradigm to this assumption. Once the trust
> is broken, those people who abuse the trust should be punished so as not
> to endanger others who do. People will willingly give to the causes they
> deem worthy and volunteer themselves to these committed causes. This
> also carries on into non-economic (and I added non-crime) elements:e.g.,
> abortion is given the equivalence of ending an innocent life for no
> reason.
>

Count me in this group :)

> 3) I do like the contrast between Democrats and Republicans in PJ
> O'Rourke's book _Parliament of Whores_. Buy the book, whatever your
> political persuasion; it's a real find.

:)

> --
> Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
> Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
> Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
> August 31, 1992 - May 16, 1993	Duke football? What's that?

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