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From: grnwood@gagme.chi.il.us (Jerry Greenwood)
Subject: Re: Danley garage
Originator: grnwood@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:21:50 GMT

The only way to get them to pay attention is to make LOUD NOISE (media
noise that is).  That will get them to pay attention.

My first garage was a Danley garage.  I poured the foundation myself and
the first carpender crew to come out refused to work because my foundation
as about an inch out of square (no big deal).  They just up and left.  No
explaination.  All the material was laying in the alley.  A second crew
came out and finished the job in one morning.  I had the keys in my hot
little hands at 1:30 pm in the afternoon.  I was suppose to get a free
garage door opener.   I NEVER DID!  Repeated calls did no good.  They were
not responisve at all.  I would never deal with them again.  

The basic deal here  is that they employ MANY different "garage crews"
which are independant carpendar crews.  The competance of these "crews"
will vary greatly and you have no idea at all of who is putting up your
garage.  It is quite apparant that Danley has no idea either and really
doesn't care.  I wonder if they even insure their crews?

Heres the skinny on garages....it's one days work for someone who is use to
working from a kit.   Two days work for an expieianced carpender and
helper.  What would you pay to have a carpendar and helper work for you for
2 days?  Add that to the cost of materials and you've go a garage for about
the same price as the Danley and it will be much better built.

I decieded to give garage building a fling last August and built a 22X22
with 2 overhead doors completely sheeted in plywood with vinyl sideing for
about $4500.00 including foundation.  This would have soct me $10000.00 or
$12000.00 from Danley.  If I'd contracted it myself I could have done it
for $5000.00. (maybe a bit more.)  The "do-it-yourslf" job took me a month
in my spare time whereas carpenders would have done it in 2days or so.

There are some things I'd have done different.  If you'd like me to
elaborate ....just drop me some E-mail.

You might serve them with a small claims court summons and see how quick
they settle.....

-- 

Submitted for your approval.....
Jerry Greenwood                                                      N9NRG
grnwood@gagme.chi.il.us                                       312-545-2219

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Newsgroups: chi.general,misc.consumers,rec.autos
From: cfkfb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Karl Bridges)
Subject: Re: I think SEARS AUTO. is trying to rip me off !!
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:30:49 GMT

  I'll never take my vehicle to Sears again.  My experience:  My
girlfriend's car, a 1978 VW, needed the brakes worked on because they
were making the most awful grinding noise.  We took it to Sears who said
they were busy but they could get to it in 2 hours.  Evidently, this
place didn't take appointments in advance.  We came back in two hours
they hadn't even gotten to look at it.  We came back two hours after
that and they still hadn't gotten to it.  At that point we took our car
and left.
  My conclusion is that Sears overworks and overbooks their mechanics.
Besides the fact that they do shoddy work ( probably because they are so
overworked) I refuse to patronize Sears for anything since I feel that
they are exploiting the people who work there. Since my girl firend
later got a job at Sears I could continue about this, but after all this
is rec.autos not rec.sears.inside.story.
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: jimpuls@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jim Puls)
Subject: /ugc August Meeting
Summary: 7pm 8/18
Keywords: user group meeting
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Distribution: chi
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:47:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer:  Material posted in this article is the sole responsibility of
                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.

/usr/group/chicago
August Meeting
August 18, 1992 at 7 pm

Unix Security Audits
by Glenn Stafford

Typically, the focus of computer security has been:
Minimize the risk of being intruded on by an unwanted user or virus.
However, security also includes "freedom from doubt or anxiety".
Security includes the responsibility of ensuring a system is properly
configured (no one intentionally or unintentionally changed file(s) or
permission(s) which resulted in nonfunctional software).
This overview will include helpful hints on certain steps which can be
done to minimize the risk of inadvertent changes.

Glenn Stafford is an instructor for ITDC, which provides open systems
education and consulting services.  He has over seven years experience
in the Unix environment, and has provided system administration support
for both BSD and System V environments.  Glenn is also treasurer of
/usr/group/chicago.

Location:
O'Hare Marriott
8535 W. Higgins Road
Chicago

From the Chicago city center:  Take the Kennedy Expressway to the
Cumberland exit.  The outbound exit puts you on Higgins Road.  Turn
left (west) on Higgins, and continue west about one-half mile.
The meeting can be reached by CTA rapid transit, as well.  Take the
O'Hare line to Cumberland.  Exit north, away from the bus terminal,
and walk west to the Marriott.
From: noe@balr.com (Shannon Noe)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Anyone have 386BSD 0.1?
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:43:34 GMT
Organization: Balr Corporation

Does anyone have 386BSD 0.1?  I'm looking for a kind soul who will
pass me a tape of the complete distribution.

Shannon Noe
noe@balr.com
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: wwc2@quads.uchicago.edu (william wen-tai chen)
Subject: Stereo system for sale
Reply-To: wwc2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:29:53 GMT

Stereo System for Sale


1.   Panasonic portable stereo component system - model RX-CT800 (1 year
old)
     Features:
          1.   5-band graphic equalizer
          2.   CD/lin - great for computers
          3.   High speed dubbing with one touch recording and synchronized
start
          4.   phone jack
          5.   radio
          6.   detachable speakers
     Everything is in mint condition.

     For sale only $75 or best offer.

2.   Sony CDP-391 CD player with remote (8 months old).
     Features:
          1.   Play modes - pause, shuffle, and program
          2.   Peak search, fader, repeat, time, clear
          3.   20 track
          4.   phone jack
     Very good CD player to hook up to a stereo like the Panasonic RX-CT800

     For Sale only $115 or best offer.

*Buy both I will ship free.

If interested please e-mail wwc2@midway.uchicago.edu

Thanks a lot.
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: lucia@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lucia Samaras)
Subject: PS/2 for sale
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: chi.general
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:29:29 GMT

I am posting this for a friend. Please call Cecilia Escallon, 312-764-9115.

FOR SALE

IBM PS/2 model 25
512K RAM
DOS 3.3
non-working 10MB hard drive
1 floppy drive
MS Works 1.05

Epson LX800

Asking $500.00
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: bobhays@spss.com (Bob Hays)
Subject: Re: Looking for /usr/group/chicago
Organization: SPSS, Inc.
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.162212.188@ssigate.ssinc.com>, msc@ssigate.ssinc.com (Michael S. Cross) writes:
> Hello all,
> 
> The subject just about says it all.  I was expecting some announcement as
> to where the Tuesday (?) meeting was being held, but I haven't seen anything
> since the RAID/SLED announcement.  Does anyone have the phone number/address
> so that I can send in my dues and the comment sheet?
> 
> The one email address I had was an *.edu domain, maybe they are out for
> the summer?  ... now if I could only find it ...
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> Michael S. Cross         Work: msc@ssihub.ssinc.com               708-505-4508
>       Home: 73750.1363@CompuServe.com  (but not exactly *proud* of it)
> Systems and Synchronous Inc., 900 E. Diehl Rd, Suite 110, Naperville, IL 60563
> __________________________To Live is to risk Dying____________________________

I tried emailing to your work address but both the reply address and
the work address in your signature bounced on me.

You can contact Kathy Koszewski about membership and all that stuff at
(708) 652-3888.  The meetings are normally on the third Tuesday of
each month, and the location rotates around the Chicagoland area.

/usr/group/chicago needs volunteers, so if you want to help out (any
amount of help is appreciated), please contact one of the board
members (you can email me if you want at bobhays@spss.com).

Thanks and have fun! - Bob

-- 
===============================================================================
The opinions expressed above are those of Bob Hays and not SPSS, Inc.
 bobhays@spss.com  Phone: (312) 329-3529 | "I'm hovering like a fly, waiting
                   Fax:   (312) 329-3657 |  for a windshield on a freeway" -PG
From: acg@hermes.dlogics.com
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Danley garage
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:20:21 CST
Distribution: chi
Organization: Datalogics, Inc., Chicago, IL

In article <bzandrew.01lf@bbs1984.chi.il.us>, bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us
(Bill Zandrew) writes:
> 
>      I am having a horrible experience with Danley Garage. [...] Also,
> does anyone know if there are any groups left like the old "Action
> Line" where you could call in your consumer complaints?

WBBM-AM (780) has a kind of Action Line staffed by volunteers that you can
call. Hours are kind of limited (I think the line is only open in the mor-
nings, presumably to give them some quiet time in the same day to follow up
on the new complaints, etc.), but they like to advertise their skills at
getting refunds, followup repairs, return of security deposits, etc. You
didn't mention what sort of problems you were having, but they might be
able to help. I don't have their number, but you could call the station
and ask for the number of their Help Line.

And there's always Small Claims Court... :-(

Andrew C. Green
Datalogics, Inc.      Internet: acg@dlogics.com
441 W. Huron          UUCP: ..!uunet!dlogics!acg
Chicago, IL  60610    FAX: (312) 266-4473
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: slk@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (shawn.l.kennedy)
Subject: Re: DeVry Inst. info wanted
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:09:55 GMT
Followup-To:  skennedy@att.com

In article <bzandrew.01lr@bbs1984.chi.il.us> bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew) writes:
>In article <1992Aug4.180755.29977@rtsg.mot.com>, dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
>writes:
>>
>>     A friend of mine is looing for a career change.  He's thinking
>>     computer training at DeVry.  They claim he can get a tech degree
>>     in 20 months, and he'll get immediate job placement.  He's
>>     concerned, of course, that this is a slick sales job.
>>
>>     Does anyone know any DeVry grads?  What's the take on the place?
>>
>Back in the old days Devry was known for grinding out tecnichians that were
>competent and could be paid less than engineers.  I know a few people that
>bombed out of college for one reason or another and did well at DeVry.  It was
>not cheap and not accredited at any college.

As much as I like to bash Devry, I cannot let the inaccuracies abound about 
the place. I am one of the much-sought after Devry Grads (CIS-Spring'88)!! :-)

A few things to set the record straight:

1. They are fully accredited just like any other four year school.
2. School sessions are broken down into trimesters (tris). 1 tri = 4 months.
3. The programs (CIS, EET, etc..) differ in length of time (CIS is 8 tris,
   EET is 9).
4. The course material is pre-determined. (i.e. what courses you take
   are pre-determined based upon the program and to which tri you are
   in.)
5. Drop-out rate is high. My class started off as 240 in first tri and
   by the time I graduated, that class was at ~50. Fairly constant
   for the last 3 tris, too.
6. The courses (whan I was there) were a little behind the times (heavy COBOL,
   CICS using COBOL, JCL) but I have heard that it has been heavily upgraded
   as of late (less COBOL, now teaching C, 4GL languages, etc).
7. Placement is high (over 94% consistanly within 6 months of graduation).
8. Pay in those new jobs is slighly less because you didn't come from
   the standard "4 year school". Advancement, though comes quickly.
   (surveyed from my fellow graduates in my class). These jobs aren't
   "weenie" jobs. Lokk where I am!! :-)
9. Ed Yourdon, Inc. was bought by Devry, Inc. several years ago and they
   made him a VP and he's the one monitoring the curriculum.


Pros:
-----
1. Get a degree in a less time than a 4 year degree.
2. Good job placement record (especially with today's economy).

Cons:
----
1. Costs - not cheap!! Was over 2K per tri when I went!
2. New course introduction lags slightly behind what industry wants.

I can't tell you if Devry is right for your friend, he's gonna have to 
determine that for himself.

--
Shawn Kennedy 
AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville, IL
skennedy@att.com  or  !att!ihlpb!skennedy
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: WLS - Why are they doing this????????????
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:38:07 GMT

In article <Bt4L7J.46H@chinet.chi.il.us> orac@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Giovacchini) writes:
>	I am 20 years old, and I love Talk Radio.  I am going to
> make some phone calls today.  But people, please send in letters,
> call the station, and lets plan to picket.  

I'm 26 and I am hooked on talk radio.  Where is Rush going?  You know
some station is going to pick him up.  I cant understand while the
ratings skew old.  The callers are usually wide ranging.

>	Damn, this means no more 'Money Talk' in Chicago.  No more
> Snyder.  All that is left is GN and LUP, 2 stations that quite
> honestly suck.  One skews too old and the other to the stupid.

I love Money Talk.  

--Ken
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: wwc2@quads.uchicago.edu (william wen-tai chen)
Subject: CD's for sale
Reply-To: wwc2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:25:51 GMT

================>>>>> CD's For Sale <<<<<<============





The following almost brand new CD's (only played a few times) are sale at $7.99 (or 
best offer) each except where noted (i.e. double discs):



Catching Up with Depeche Mode

Sinead O'Connor - I do not want what I haven't got

Vanessa Williams - The Comfort Zone

REM - Green

REM - Document

REM - Eponymous

U2 - Achtung Baby

Bryan Adams - Waking up the Neighbors

Chicago - Greatest Hits

EMF - Schubert Dip

Rod Stewart Greatest Hits

Sheena Easton - What Comes Naturally

FYC - The Raw and the Remix

Concrete Blonde - Bloodletting

En Vogue - Born to sing

MCHammer - Please Hammer don't hurt them

Schascle - Hauted by real life

Billy Idol - Vital Idol

Kraftwerk - the Mix

Black Box - Mixed Up!

Spinal Tap Sound Track

The Karate Kid Part III Sound Track

Bette Midler - For the Boys Sound Track

Eric Clapton - 24 Nights (2 CD's - $16.99)

Steppenwolf - Born to be Wild/A Retrospective (2 CD's - $16.99)

The best of the Doors (2 CD's - $16.99)

James Galway Plays Mozart (2 CD's - $19.99)

Xref: sparky chi.general:803 alt.slack:2316
From: dbk@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Dan Keith)
Newsgroups: chi.general,alt.slack
Subject: World Subgenius Convention
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:32:28 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Emergent Systems

This event is going to be held in Chicago, either this month or next. Does
anyone have information about where, when, and whom to contact? Posting or
email will be fine, thanks.



-- 
   Dan "Bud" Keith dbk@odesta.com
...and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do
ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
- Better to be an active pacifist, than a passive activist.
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Danley garage
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:00:09 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization


     I am having a horrible experience with Danley Garage.  I would be 
interested in talking to anyone who would want to relate any problems they
had with Danley Garage or who is thinking of building a garage.

     Also, does anyone know if there are any groups left like the old "Action
Line" where you could call in your consumer complaints?
From: ziggy@liltyke.chi.il.us (Mark R. Hopf)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: DeVry Inst. info wanted
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:57:20 GMT
Organization: Private Node, Batavia, IL, USA

In article <bzandrew.01lr@bbs1984.chi.il.us> bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew) writes:
+>In article <1992Aug4.180755.29977@rtsg.mot.com>, dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
+>writes:
+>>
+>>     A friend of mine is looing for a career change.  He's thinking
+>>     computer training at DeVry.  They claim he can get a tech degree
+>>     in 20 months, and he'll get immediate job placement.  He's
+>>     concerned, of course, that this is a slick sales job.
+>>
+>Back in the old days Devry was known for grinding out tecnichians that were
+>competent and could be paid less than engineers.  I know a few people that
+>bombed out of college for one reason or another and did well at DeVry.  It was
+>not cheap and not accredited at any college.

I'm a student at DeVry, and they are accredited (as a matter of fact, the
accredidation committee is coming by next week to see about renewing it for
next year, which is SOP).  I know it's more expensive than State schools, but
it' s cheaper than most private schools.  There are two types of programs.  The
shorter one (20 months) is 5 semesters, and you graduate with a Associates
degree.  The BS program is 3 yrs, (9 semesters).  I know tuition for the BS
program is 2680 this semester, but i'm not sure about the tech programs.

As far as job placement, I know that they have a good placement percentage, but
I'm not sure what the level is (ie, do they actually get decent jobs, or are
they down two levels from where they belong).  But I'm sure the serious
students do get resonable jobs, so if your friend is serious, it may be a way
to go.

One word of warning:  Courses at DeVry are very specific, and may not transfer
if they don't match exactly.  Also, class schedules leave something to be
desired, as they don't meet at the same time during the week (one class I have
now meets Wed at noon and Friday at 9am).  Talk to some more people who have
been there recently and get some more opinions before signing up.



-- 
Mark Hopf				My System Administrator went to a 
					USENIX convention, and all I got was 
ziggy@liltyke.chi.il.us			this stupid .sig.
Newsgroups: chi.general,comp.bbs.waffle
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Looking for a newsfeed in the NW suburbs
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: chi
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:21:24 GMT

I'm looking for a kindly NW suburban sysadmin who will provide me a
limited newsfeed.  I've already got an offer from Greg (gagme with a
spoon) Gulik, but as I'm in Lake Zurich and he's in Chicago I'd really
rather find a closer site.

Groups I'm initially interested in are:

	chi.*
	comp.bbs.waffle
	rec.arts.sf.*
	rec.humor.funny
	rec.humor.oracle
	sci.psychology
	sci.psychology.digest
	alt.folklore.computers

Naturally, this list may expand with time as my user base gets more
demanding.  (Those darned users!  Never satisfied!)

My system is a '286 running Waffle (contains a UUCP work-alike), and a
Supra v.32bis modem.  Naturally a free feed is preferable, but I'll
also consider a system with monthly/yearly fees.  Anyone who's
particularly kind-hearted can reply to this address or
veck@pshrink.chi.il.us.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of   	       |      Steven King
explanation.                                           |   Motorola Cellular
                                 (H. H. Munro [Saki])  |   king@rtsg.mot.com
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess)
Subject: Re: Anyone have 386BSD 0.1?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:33:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.034334.16242@balr.com> noe@balr.com (Shannon Noe) writes:
>Does anyone have 386BSD 0.1?  I'm looking for a kind soul who will
>pass me a tape of the complete distribution.
>

	I have the complete distribution, plus complete X386 for it, and
	all current patches.  You can get it on DC600 or DC6150 tape
	from a 120/150 meg tape drive.
	Contact me via email.  I am on NW side of chicago.

-- 
	I am created Shiva the Destroyer; Death, the shatterer of worlds!
	Who is this dog meat who stands before me now?
	That's the biz, sweetheart.
Randy Suess					 randy@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: wwc2@quads.uchicago.edu (william wen-tai chen)
Subject: ==> Computer and games for SALE
Reply-To: wwc2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:28:47 GMT


==>  FOR SALE  <==

Two-year old Fountain 386DX @ 25MHz in excellent working condition with the
following:
 -2MB of RAM expandible to 6MB memory board included using cheap 80ns 1Mx1
DIP chips
 -40MB Microscience IDE harddisk
 -1 high density 1.2MB 5 1/4 and 1 high density 1.44MB 3 1/2 floppy disk
drives
 -2 serial, 1 parallel, 2 game ports
 -2 joysticks
 -VGA card with GoldStar VGA monitor (slightly fuzzy)
 -Microsoft compatible mouse
 -Sound Blaster and speakers MIDI compatible
 -Disney's Sound Source and the Rocketeer game with original documentation
and disks
 -internal 2400 baud modem, terminal software included
 -Panasonic 1180i dot matrix printer with parallel cable
 -MS-DOS 5.0 and MS Windows 3.1 with original documentation and disks
 -25 MS Windows PD games including different variations of tetris,
solitair,
and heart and arcade games
 -MS Word for Windows v1.1 installed (original manuals and disks)
 -MS Word for DOS v5.0 with original manual and disks
 -Eight-in-One productivity software with original manual and disks
 -Disk Optimizer disk management software with original manual and disks
the above for sale @ $1499 or best offer.

the following IBM games are also on sale (all with original manuals and
disks):

 -Death Knight of Krynn $25
 -Eye of Beholder $25
 -Secret of Silver Blades $25
 -Overlord $25
 -Dragon Lord $10
 -TV Sport Basketball $10
 -The Three Stooges $10
 -Double Dragon II $10
 -Defender of Crown $10
 -SpeedBall $10
 -Zany Golf $10
 -Centurion $15
 -Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing $15

Total Price: $190, but if buying all games, price reduced to $159.
Furthermore, if purchasing the computer with the games, then the games are
further reduced to $99.

Also for sale: Panasonic 1091i printer $50, 80column RGB monitor for C128
$50.

All prices negotiable.  If interested, please leave E-Mail to wwc2@midway.uchicago.edu

Thanx.
From: acg@hermes.dlogics.com (Andrew C. Green)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Danley garage
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:27:55 CST
Distribution: chi
Organization: Datalogics, Inc., Chicago, IL

In article <bzandrew.01lf@bbs1984.chi.il.us>, bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us
(Bill Zandrew) writes:
>      I am having a horrible experience with Danley Garage. [...] Does
> anyone know if there are any groups left like the old "Action Line"
> where you could call in your consumer complaints?

O.K. I finally have the details here on the WBBM-AM outfit: It's called
DirectLine, and they're at (312) 787-3000. Note that they only take calls
from 9:30 a.m. - 12:30 p.m., Monday through Friday. Good luck!

Andrew C. Green
Datalogics, Inc.      Internet: acg@dlogics.com
441 W. Huron          UUCP: ..!uunet!dlogics!acg
Chicago, IL  60610    FAX: (312) 266-4473