HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: benseb@next.sdsc.edu (Booker C. Bense)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: OpenGL vs. Renderman
Keywords: Apples & Oranges
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: benseb@next.sdsc.edu

In article <1992Apr16.185210.8027@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
kocks@jessica.stanford.edu (Peter Kocks) writes:
> As was pointed out earlier, OpenGL is a kind of fast procedural
> language for doing 3D graphics, whereas Renderman is object oriented
> and photorealistic.  Given that in time Renderman will become fast
> enough for realtime use, why not write an OpenGL interface to the
> RenderMan rendering software?  Basically, write procedural type calls
> in the exact same format as OpenGL requires.   This would be a big
> boon for scientist who like OpenGL and the NeXT platform.
> 
> Is it possilbe?  Is it legal?

- VOGL, a 3D library from those Beer Drinkers in Australia has been available
as ``beerware'' for quite some time. It's a subset of gl , the main purpose 
of it is that ``all code that runs in vogl should compile and run in real gl''
It lacks much of the spiffy features of GL and runs on just about anything,
even our favorite black box %-) ! OpenGL is the death of pex and phigs ( thank  
you , thank you , thank you SGI !), comparing it to Renderman is somewhat of 
an apples and oranges comparsion. I'm sure you'll see a gl version of  
Interactive Renderman in the near future. 

- You can get vogl at any reputable ftp repository , ftp.uu.net comes to mind. 

- SGI has not sued anybody yet, they have a really good rep as a  
software/hardware company. By far the most reliable and helpful that I've 
dealt with ( including the company that builds our favorite black hardware ). 
They've built an Object-oriented ``Interface Builder'' but unfortunately 
crippled to only do ``visualization'' ( It's called Explorer). If they'd spent
a little more time looking at IB rather than AVS, NeXTStep might have had real
competition. Unfortunately they're stuck in the X/motif world and everything is  
twice as difficult. I really thought they were moving into to `PC-like' world  
with the Indigo Machine, but they have not followed up with the software
necessary to compete. I guess they're focusing on the Eng/Sci market were they
are the leaders. 

---
- Booker C. Bense                    
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton)
Subject: 21" or 17" colour monitor ?
Organization: McGill University Computing Centre
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:03:15 GMT

Is the 21 inch colour monitor really worth paying twice
the price of the 17 inch one ? 
I would be glad to hear any comments from those people
who have taken the plunge and paid for the big screen.

Dave.

(There didn't appear to be anything in the FAQ about
 this, to my suprise.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff HENSHAW)
Subject: NeXTstep & Windows NT & Windows 3.x
Date: 05 Apr 92 23:13:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA
Reply-To: jhenshaw@microsoft.UUCP (Jeff HENSHAW)

Darcy Brockbank wrote....

| I think though that the future of Microsoft isn't the
| "environment" of Windows2.0 but Windows NT, which will be
| in the range of $600.
|
| That compares nicely with $999 for NeXTstep 486. With the SDKs
| for NT, and the extended release of NeXTstep 486, we'll see prices
| climb steeply, but I think they'll be in the same range.

I think you make a very good point here, Darcy.  Windows
NT is (from what I understand) not aimed at the person
who has a single low-scale 2/386 in the basement running
some lightweight software.  It has been publically announded
that NT will require 8 Mb of RAM and >= 386 to run.

I agree; that would put NT at the "higher end" (whatever
that means) of the OS scale.  My question is: "Is NeXT always
going to market exclusively at the higher end, or are they
going to try to put NeXTstep on everyone's machine?"

I think that NeXTstep is a truly beautiful interface.  I 
always have, ever since I ran v. 0.9.  But I think that
NeXT's supposed "break" into the Intel world will be far
from successful with regard to sales, both because of the
system requirements and because of the price (both of
these were a disappointment to me).

I realize that Windows 3.x and NeXTstep are worlds apart with
regard to what they try to accomplish, but Windows is cheap,
easy to aquire, and runs on just about everything.  Who knows,
though, maybe someday we'll see something like a scaled-down
NeXTstep; perhaps "NS-light?"

_________________________________________________________________
|      | *less expensive ascii version of my sig    ====	|
| o  o | Darcy Brockbank    ============================	|
|   >  | samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca	================ =|---- |
| \__/ | SOCS system staff, McGill University    =======        |
|      | I believe in coyotes...    ====================	|
  	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		R.E.M., Darcy?

--
-Jeff Henshaw
 jhenshaw@microsoft.com

 not speaking for Microsoft.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:39:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.225325.29059@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr8.195244.22829@newshost.lanl.gov>
> tms@twins.lanl.gov writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Apr8.181710.25962@cs.yale.edu>
> >nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F.  Janette) writes:
> 
> >I'd be careful Nathan.  You are getting close to "sef"
> >status.  (Although, I will admit you do back up your
> >arguments, unlike Sean.) :-)
> 
> Looks like general warfare is about to break out.  It could
> be avoided by a little temperance all around.  Your remark
> about Sean is unwarranted (factually incorrect, too) and a
> classic example of the cheap shot.  The threat to Nathan is
> Nathan, not any approximation to Sean or anyone else.  My
> guess is that all but a tiny number of the readers here
> would find mostly self-impeachment in the majority of
> Nathan's remarks.  I accept what he says, that he *thinks*
> he's provoking a general airing of issues, though it seems
> to me it's possible to do that without extravagances of the
> type he seems determined to indulge in.  Well, different
> strokes for different folks.  The discussion isn't going
> anywhere, probably can't go anywhere.  Maybe the best thing
> to do is dismiss it and get on to more useful things.

I think you missed my point, because you just repeated it bu tin different  
words...

Todd
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Reply-To: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Wordcraft Group - Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:23:48 GMT

In article <729@rtbrain.woodside.ca.us> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
writes:
> ...
> When you have written MIMEnews or whatever, then please post an
> announcement (in the wrong newsgroup, of course :-) so we can find
> out how to get a copy.
> ...

MailManager by Mark Crispin supports MIME. It works and is available with  
source. I can't remember the exact ftp site I got it from ... my trigger  
happy finger deleted Mark's e-mail before I remember to file it away :-(  
Maybe Mark or someone else can post the ftp site address for the benefit  
of those who are curious about the content of Mark's post.

As Mark admitted to me, MailManager can use some work and with the source  
code available (unlike NewsGrazer :-), some whizes amongst us can run with  
it and turn something super cool out of it. I am not a coder (in fact, I  
am a damn horrible coder with no patience) but I can offer my expertise in  
the areas of project management, UI design, documentation, and trashing  
(aka beta testing and faucet breaking).

I envision a MIME-compliant GUI-based threaded newsreader that is also NG  
RTF-compatible (read-only is good enough). It must support all the  
standard NeXT goodies, e.g. drag-'n-drop anything and everything.

The future of NewsGrazer is uncertain and it is no fun using NG version  
72.0 forever. Lets talk ...

Joe 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com>
Subject: Re: Help fixing "dropped characters" problem using tip.
Reply-To: Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com>
Organization: Proponent
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:52:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.071152.829@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
Loewenstern) writes:
> In article <kgtj7d=.jgrace@netcom.com> jgrace@netcom.com (Joseph Grace)  
writes:
> 
> >  I have a Telebit T3000, a NeXT serial cable and a NSColor Turbo.  I am
> >  using tip to log on at 14400+ BAUD to a remote UNIX computer
> >  and am losing characters during screen draws and refreshes
> >  (from the remote computer).  Also, I believe I have the modem
> >  using CTS/RTS (hardware handshaking), so if my NS is paying attention
> >  to handshaking, it should never drop characters, right?
> 
> Which port are you using?  You should use either ttydfa or ttydfb for
> hardware flow-control..   I run my T3 at 38400 bps with no loss of
> characters.
> 
> If you are using ttydfa or ttydfb, make sure you have s58=2 and s68=255 on
> your T3.

You should be using cufa or cufb for dial-out.  See the zs man page.

The remote system also needs to be configured for hardware flow control or else  
characters will be lost.
-- 
# Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA  01701-0405
# monty%roscom@think.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:06:56 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.052348.3154@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca>
jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca writes:

>MailManager by Mark Crispin supports MIME. It works and is available with  
>source. [...]

>I envision a MIME-compliant GUI-based threaded newsreader
>that is also NG RTF-compatible (read-only is good enough).
>It must support all the standard NeXT goodies, e.g.
>drag-'n-drop anything and everything.

>The future of NewsGrazer is uncertain and it is no fun
>using NG version 72.0 forever.  Lets talk ...

Good suggestion, I think.  Under what I see as ideal
conditions, NG would have *no* future other than historical
interest and we would move quickly on to something far
better.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Nai Ching Wong <nwong@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: NeXT for sale...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:24:57 GMT


I have a NeXTStation for sale. It is only half year old and still 
under 1 year warranty. 

It includes the following:

(1) NeXTstation 8MB RAM and 105 MB Hard-drive
(2) MegaPixel Monochrome Display
(3) NeXTstation starting point  kit
(4) Softwares: Word perfect, Diagram, Mathematica, and SoftPC.
(5) An external 360MB hard-drive (2 years warranty)

Asking for $4,400, other reasonable offer will be considered.
If interested, mail nwong@copper.ucs.indiana.edu or 
	       call (812)857-2378.

Thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ekouba@smaug (Eric T. Kouba)
Subject: tektronix 401* (repost from c.s.n.sysadmin)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:06:07 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

Are there any Tektronix 401* emulators for the NeXT?
I have a program that wants to run under a particular
VAX machine, so I must telnet from my NeXT to the VAX.
The output graphics will display only on a tektronix 
window.

I already have a kludge method working...  I found
a SUN with an x-windows emulator and the x-windows
emulator had a tektronix mode.  So I telnet from the
tektronix mode to the VAX to do the work and ftp
everything back to my NeXT afterwards.  I am trying
to cut out the SUN and x-windows links in that chain,
if possible.

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:49:43 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

MRC@Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:

>THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT.  Your news reader does not support
>MIME.  Perhaps you should get new software.

In addition to the objections others have raised, let me add a few as
a news administrator.

USENET is not a good medium for transmitting large files; some of the 
transport methods don't do too well.  There's a defacto limit of 64k
per single article; larger postings are supposed to be split up.  This
MIME posting was over 700k.

Comp.sys.next.misc is a discussion group, and as such typically enjoys
a longer expiry time than groups for binaries.  Binaries such as this
sound file are wholly inappropriate here.  I can assure you that there
are systems on which an unexpected, long-lived 700k article will
really screw up news operations.  A news administrator's first defense
in these cases is to give the group a short expire time (I use three
days for binaries groups vs. about 12 for discussion groups).

Mr. Crispin, let me suggest that in the future, if you want to make
a point, do it in such a way that you don't draw so much negative 
attention to yourself or the groups you read.
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                       kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                  +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics
                                              Flame early, flame often.
From: stefanos@concour.cs.concordia.ca (KIAKAS stefanos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTstep metion in PC Magazine.
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:37:52 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <6lrjt1_.larry@netcom.com> larry@netcom.com (Larry Cordner) writes:
>
>hi all,
>
>excerpted from "32-Bit GUI Alternatives: No Contest", pg. 192, PC Magazine,
>April 28, 1992.  (This is from a sidebar in a larger article about OS/2 2.0.)
>
>    "Another Unix-related contender is the NeXTstep 486, from NeXT.  Built
>    on the Macintosh [sic] operating system kernel, the object-oriented
>    
    	you should send it in, to their Abort, Retry, Fail? column and
get $50 and a T-shirt.   :)

>
>DISCLAIMER: I love my NeXT.  I just wanted to see what you all would say
>            about these comments, if anything.
>
>larry cordner

stef
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Help fixing "dropped characters" problem using tip.
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 07:11:52 GMT

In article <kgtj7d=.jgrace@netcom.com> jgrace@netcom.com (Joseph Grace) writes:

>  I have a Telebit T3000, a NeXT serial cable and a NSColor Turbo.  I am
>  using tip to log on at 14400+ BAUD to a remote UNIX computer
>  and am losing characters during screen draws and refreshes
>  (from the remote computer).  Also, I believe I have the modem
>  using CTS/RTS (hardware handshaking), so if my NS is paying attention
>  to handshaking, it should never drop characters, right?

Which port are you using?  You should use either ttydfa or ttydfb for hardware  
flow-control..   I run my T3 at 38400 bps with no loss of characters.

If you are using ttydfa or ttydfb, make sure you have s58=2 and s68=255 on your  
T3.

andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com
Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe)
Subject: Chinese on the NeXT?
Keywords: Chinese Characters
Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:16:50 GMT

Can anyone give me information about the ability or lack thereof,
of NeXTs to handle Chinese characters, preferably in documents with
mixed Chinese and English text?

Thanks!
 - Irving
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From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: My ^o went away (or was it ever there?)
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:13:46 GMT

My keyboard no longer generates anything when I try to type
^o.  Could I have done something with the keyboard panel in 
preferences?  It is not really clear what that panel is supposed
to do.  Any suggestions?

-david
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tobi@swabsib.stgt.sub.org  (Tobias Hennerich)
Subject: Re: toner cartridge life
Organization: Swabian Siberian Software Solutions
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:32:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.190820.12631@cco.caltech.edu>  
madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes:
> 
> How many "typical" (text only) pages should a toner cartridge in 
> the NeXT laser printer last?
> 
My HP-III, which has the same cartridge like the NeXT-Laser, printed  
up to now 4700 pages with the first cartridge and there is still no  
"toner-low" message.

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 \_  _/       taking out the plug and putting it back again.
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From: dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Help! Cannot run NewsGrazer
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:07:34 GMT
Reply-To: dan@az.stratus.com

In article <1992Apr12.002052.24405@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> rxd20@po.CWRU.Edu  
(Ramesh Dodamani) writes:
> 
> When I run NewsGrazer, it displays the opening screen saying
> 'Locating active newsgroups' and then dies. When I run it from a 
> terminal I get a message saying 'Bus error'.

This probably won't get to you via News, so I'll mail a response also,
but for the edification of the rest of you folks using NewsGrazer:

With the help of a super SysAdmin Jim Murray at our corporate  
headquarters, I've been able to identify the problem 
that blows up NewsGrazer.

Some idiot created a group with an "&" in its name.

alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.X.Y.&.Z.electrix.sunshine.mix

If you have your news administrator remove this group,
the problem will go away. 

I don't know how to kill it sufficiently to keep it from coming back,  
however.  And as soon as people find out that an "&" in a newsgroup name  
kills NewsGrazer, I'll bet that other groups will be malicously created.    
The same thing happened a while back with ":" in names that caused "rn" to  
die.

Maybe NeXT or somebody will be gracious enough to patch
NewsGrazer.

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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: New Dell 486
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 03:13:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.044708.260@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>  
bhead@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Bradley Head) writes:
>  Andrew Loewenstern writes
>  > In article <95965@mcdchg.chg.mcd.mot.com> info@dellunix.dell.com (Info  
>  Account)  
>  > writes:
>  > >  
>  > >                 NEW DELL MODELS MAKE 50-MEGAHERTZ POWER
>  > >                    AFFORDABLE FOR MAINSTREAM PC USERS
>  > Sounds like this puppy was almost designed for NeXTstep 486!  Prices start  
at  
>  > $4599.  If that's with a monitor, some RAM, and a hard-drive, it's a  
pretty  
>  > good deal.  Especially since it runs a 50-mhz internally.
>  > 
>  > 
>  
>  I saw an ad on the back of PC-Mag quoting a price of $2999 for 50MHz-486  
Dell
>  (I believe comes with 14in colour).

Yes, but the newly announced Dell is a 486 EISA with direct-to-bus video.  I am  
willing to be the $2999 486 you saw was an ISA box.  Big difference.

andrew
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Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
From: flash@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Flash)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT screen shot
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:10:56 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England


Hi you lucy NeXT people,

I'm in need of a screen shot of the NeXT GUI for a project I'm doing here
at Warwick University.

Basically I'm comparing four GUIs

Macintosh
NeXT Step
Windows
X

I own a Mac so I can get a Mac screen,  the University has both Windows & X
so I can get a screen shot from them but I cant get a screen shot from a
NeXT machine.  Could any kind person help me out.

The screen shot would need to show the basic User Interface feature of the
NeXT machine so I can compare them to the others. (I know that NeXT is better
but that beside the point)

If you could mail me the screen shot in any format I can use on the Mac I'd
be very happy.  (PostScript I suppose would be the best bet [EPSF ?])

Thanks in advance to any kind person who replies.


Jonathan Greensted


3rd Year Computer Systems Engineering Student at Warwick University.



PS.  If anyone as a user would like to write a paragraph about what make the
     NeXT such a fab machine I like that too.

PPS. If anyone knows or has a job for a graduate please let me know.
     It doesnt matter where the job is but
     the nearer to the States the better!
-- 

--
Jonathan Greensted, Warwick Universty.
flash@uk.ac.warwick.dcs
From: jmd@banana.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Forsale: ND SIMMS
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:00:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: cube.1992Apr9.030052.25343
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <vvqjr7=.sphere@netcom.com> sphere@netcom.com (Sam Goldberger)
writes:
>I have 8 of these that I'll sell for $375, once the
>first ones are gone.
>
>Sam
>
Well, I have 4 of them, somebody make me an offer!

Jim
Organization: Junior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:01:06 -0400 
From: Greg Howard Rhodes <gr1c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
	<1992Apr9.225405.15278@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

I understand Nathan's point, but the files were under 10K. I can't really
see the problem with files that short. It gets to be ridiculous if someone,
say, posted Ac_Chen, but an 8.5K file just seems so miniscule to be worried
about.

And no, I don't pay for my e-mail/bboards. I might think differently if I
did...

Greg
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