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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: St.Angel and the Bird
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:31:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.222425.12204@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:

>>Who? Any drum staff?
>
>The two that come to mind are Scott Taylor (who marched center snare in
>1979 and 1980) and Craig Linton (who marched Troopers in 1979 and end
>snare in PR in 1980.)  Both of them worked our butts off in 1981 and
>1982.

Didn't know them. Before my time. :-)

>>>When did you march exactly Brad?
>
>>1981-82... Saginaires
>
>I have a lot of really fond memories of this corps, they were really a
>nice bunch of people.  Is one of these years the Christmas show (they
>played Silent Night as a closer.)

Nope. That was a few years after I left. I had a great time with this
corps, and I learned alot. I even went back for a second year in '82
after making Phantom's snare line. Man, was Marty Hurley pissed. He never
treated me the same after that.

>>1983-84... Phantom Regiment
>
>What section(s)?  Maybe I can find you on the PBS broadcasts.  One of my
>favorite all-time snare licks if from the 1983 1812 production.  The
>only part I'm fairly sure about was a flamaque followed by a lazy seven.
>It was hot.
>
>>1985...... Blue Devils

I always played snare in corps and band. You can see me a bit in the '83 
broadcast during the drum solo. I am second from the right as you as you
look at the line. The lick you mentioned was fun, but we stayed awake at
nights wondering if it would be clean the next day. I also showed up on
the video in '85, again mostly during the drum solo. I had a beard then,
and was third from the left. There was a short closeup of myself and Steve
Campbell, who won individuals that year.

>>We must have come pretty close to meeting in '85. I think we used your
>>pit equipment at the Cavaliers show after our drums burned up. :-(

>We may have met at one of the Texas shows, we got through with run
>throughs early and got to go down and watch BD rehearse.  (They returned
>the favor the next day.)  I met several of their snares.  (It was funny
>because my jacket said flugelhorn but I was talking about some pretty
>absurd rudiments.)

I remember Texas vaguely. Mostly I remember being hot and worrying about
cockroaches sneaking into our sleeping bags at night. :-) There were lots
of people watching us there, and I don't remember exactly who we talked
to. I used to like to watch other lines warm up, but Float would never
let us, because he always said "other lines watch us, we don't watch
them." It was a head game thing to him. Oh, well. We had a few guys in
our pit that marched suncoast. Mike Reindhart and Paul Gansemer (sp?)
Did you know them?

--Brad.



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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: What about cadets,regiment and vanguard??
From: David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:44:00 -0500 
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Well, you've got a pretty big Cadets fan here, who is still blown away
by their 1992 show. When I saw it in Columbus in early August, they just
completely blew the crowd away. BD and Cavies beat them that night, but
the results did not please the crowd. Oh well.

It still amazes me to see how many young (14-15-16) kids can put on a
show that incredible.

The year that I almost marched contra with Cadets (1991 season - money
and education got in the way) the corps dues were $750 and $35 per
winter camp.

deej.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: DCI PREVIEW OF CHAMPIONS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:22:46 GMT

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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bass Drum Lines [was: Drum Corps Alias?]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:03:17 EDT
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In article <1992Nov13.145601.5419@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> (alt.drumcorps), flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips) writes:
>Well, my vote for 'most interesting use of a bass drum line' was (canadians,
>please correct me) La Offense Lion, back in '80 or so, they tuned each of their
>5 drums to 4 pitches, making for very interesting soloing...

Thank you!!!  I was trying to remember the name of the first drum corps
I ever saw, and I think it was The Offensive Lions.

Niel

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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Trivia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:20:54 EDT
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In article <1e75j6INNoth@early-bird.think.com> (alt.drumcorps), fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>OK, without peeking, tell me the corps and year during the 1980's that 
>each song was performed:
>(extra points if you can say who was the original composer for each - I
>don't even know the answer for several of them)
>
>1.  Summer Sketches
     Got me.

>2.  Interstellar Suite
     Spirit of Atlanta, 1989

>3.  Armenian Dances
     Phantom Regiment, 1982

>4.  Unsquare Dance
     I remember the title, but I can't quite place it...

>5.  Hungarian Dance #5
     No idea.

>6.  Sophisticated Ladies
     Bridgemen, 1982

>7.  Open Wide
     27th Lancers, 1980-1981

>8.  Live and Let Die
     Velvet Knights, 198

>9.  Symphonic Metamorphosis
     No way, really? I played this in high school...

>10. Waltz of the Mushroom Hunters
     Madison, 1984


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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Madison music
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:11:49 GMT

1988 SCV was much better in my opinion.  '89 was much more "in your face,"
and maybe executed a little cleaner.  But watch the snareline on the videotape.
Accordion drill.  Also, in Kansas City I was about 15 rows up, and got the
full impact of the *soft* sections of the show.  In my opinion, it was the
most musical ensemble SCV has fielded.  1988's performance on Finals night
was the single most emotional, magical show I have ever seen.  Anyone who
was there knows that the crowd was nearly hypnotized the whole time.

Of course, this is all just opinion and worth absolutely nothing.

Brian J. Haag
bjh42543@uiuc.edu
bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Snare tech., the true story
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:31:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1dua93INNogj@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Look guys, I appreciate all the snare drum physics but the kevlar heads
>*suck* big time and they do not project well at all. We were testing
>those out as early as '78 and never even got as far as using them
>as a line. We just put them on a couple of drums to try them out.
>
>Frankly, I'm shocked at the terrible, choked sound of the falams and
>their evil like! The best heads I've ever played on were the special
>REMO clear dots, with the reinforced edges.
>
>Also, all this about tuning the bottom heads to the top at different
>pitches is all fantasy. The bare absolute fact is, at least for the real
>drum lines, that we'd crank the f*cking things as tight as they'd 
>go. The top heads, being thicker than the bottom, would never go 
>anywhere close to as high as the top pitch wise.

Obviously, if you don't take the time to get a nice sound out of the head,
then you are going to get a crap sound.  If you take the Neanderthal approach
to tuning drums, then there is no way to get a nice sound.  "Cranking the
f*ck" out of the falams will creat a crappy sound and an imploded drum.

What constitutes "real" drum lines.  I know that in todays world, there is
a lot of time taken to get the best possible sound out of the drum you are
using (plastic or, God forbid, falams).  I remember in middle school we liked
to cramk the piss out of the drums, but soon we realized that that was not
how you get a good quality of sound.  You may have stated the bare absolute
fact, but the drumming community of today demands more than that.  The 
thought that there are people out there still believing that you have to 
crank it until it screams really irritates me.  You tune a snare drum like
you tune a concert bass drum, marching bass drum, or timpani.  You tighten
the heads until the best sound quality is produced.  Whether the best of
plastic is better or worse than the best of the falam is a personal
preference, not an undiscovered fact.

>Greg
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From: HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu (SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:18:36 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <1eb6npINNpg0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU writes:

> In article <1eb1qrINNqs5@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
> >Thanks for the Crusaders info,  can you remind us what they are planning
> >on playing for 1993?
> >
> >Just curious -- and I want it for the FAQ.
> 
> They are doing Sheharazad (sp?)by Rimski-Kosokov and another Russian piece.
> 

Scheherazade and Russian Easter Overture, both by Rimsky-Korsakov.  Should be
interesting.  Wasn't there a rumour about someone else marching to Scheherazade?

Incidentally, Tom Amann was a percussion instructor with Troopers this last
year.  The exact capacity I don't remember though.


MWS
hmusamws@admin.uh.edu
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: informal survey
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:23:01 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <1992Nov20.211932.16482@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise) writes:
>    Here's an informal survey for those of you interested.  Many corps have 
>songs associated with them, Madison and You'll Never Walk Alone, Sky Ryders and
>Over the Rainbow, etc, etc.
>
Arrrrrrghhhhh!!!!
While Sky Ryders may make a claim on Over the Rainbow,
the Cavaliers have used that as their theme for over 30 years!!
We sang it before every competition when I marched and they still do it still.
Over the Rainbow is the theme song for the Cavaliers, first and always!



>     My question is what song do you think would be most representative of the 
>Bluecoats.  While this is just informal, the results could play a role in 
>upcoming alumni meetings.
>
>     Your participation is greatly appreciated...
>
>--The Curious Inquisitor

Now about the Bluecoats:

That is an easy one -  Autumn Leaves.  It is a beautiful song and it is
clearly the closest Bluecoats have come to a trademark song.  They made
it famous and it would make a quite successful theme song.  Only
one question - what are the lyrics?  Does it have lyrics?  










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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dapack01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Popcorn Survey & DCI
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:10:07 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Dear Drum Corps Fan:

This letter is in regard to the opinion survey conducted by "...a loyalist
group of deidicated drum corps fans" known as "Popcorn".  This survey form was
distributed to the viewing audience during the final night of the 1992 DCI
competition.  After reading their propaganda, I new right away that DCI did not
endorse this group.  Comments such as "... today's music selections ... lack
fundamental audience appeal, and visual presentation ... resemble strands of
spaghetti being pushed around a plate, or an ashtray at the end of a long night
of socializing" are  inappropriate in eliciting an objective and valid survey
response.  Furthermore, I question the rationale and timing in conducting this
survey.  Why did Popcorn wait until the final night of competition to
distribute their survey?  It doesn't take any rocket scientist to conclude that
audience appeal was in favor of the Velvet Knights and the Cavaliers.  An
applause meter would have been more valid in gathering data for Popcorn's
survey.  I feel that Popcorn's real intention was to undermine the entire
judging process of the DCI World Championships.  For example, if the Cadets of
Bergen County or the Star of Indiana was given the honors of champion, the
majority of the audience would probably voice their dissatisfaction resulting
in an escalation of survey response.  Furthermore, Popcorn could use the
results of their survey as political ammunition when there is discrepancies
between audience appeal and the professional judging process. 

I am not trying to minimize the importance of audience appeal and entertainment
value.  The audience buys tickets and ticket sales keeps this art-form viable. 
In evaluating the overall effectiveness of each corps, objectivity should be
the primary goal in the judging process.  How objective can the audience be in
judging drum corps?  Leave the evaluation process in the hands of qualified
judges who have professional expertise in providing objective results.  

With regard to the future of drum corps, it is my hope that DCI will not lose
sight and become hostage to audience appeal.  An art-form judged or evaluated
by any unqualified group of people (the audience) will no longer be progressive
and is destined to become stagnant.  Perhaps it is to late.  From the results
of the 1991 championship, most in the audience expressed their dissatisfaction
with boos and obscene comments regarding Star's performance and cooperate
sponsorship.  As for the 1992 championship, I believe DCI was pressured too
much form audience appeal; thus a new champion was crowned.  Congratulation
Cavaliers!!!  I salute you as well as all individual corps taking part in this
most entertaining and unforgettable season.

Sincerely yours,

Don A. Pack
Louisville, KY
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:58:26 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:

>In article <By5K75.B6s@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>>Last point: 1988 was a tremendously entertaining year. Scouts were great.  SCV
>>had a killer show with killer props. The Black Devils show still blows me over
>>when I listen to it. And Star played perhaps the Last Ever Top-12 Drum Corps
>                          ^^^^
>>Show composed entirely of *Marches*. Garfield's Copeland pieces were again
>                            ^^^^^^^
>>unforgettabel and magical.

>Didn't Star do Porgy and Bess?  The tenor players had snare drum like drums
>where their shot drums would be.


No, that was 1988.  In 1989 they played Henry V, Fantasia? and Crown
Imperial.

Help me out guys with their second number?  

I loved this show probably 'cause it reminded me of 27th!
From: 9225978@ul.ie
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: What about cadets,regiment and vanguard??
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:41:12 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Why do people in this folder only talk about star,knights and madison?


Are there any c.b.c. , s.c.v. or phant.reg. fans out there anywhere?

Can anyone tell a young Irish boy how much it would cost to march for
a season with a top 12 drumcorp?

That's about it.

Juicy.
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Drum Corps Alias?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:09:50 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
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In article <1e0l5jINNglj@bigboote.WPI.EDU> (alt.drumcorps), ddm@bigboote.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>In article <01050023.i7p7ay@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>>In article <1de545INNd99@bigboote.WPI.EDU> (alt.drumcorps), ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>>> ... SCV's cymbal and bass lines are know for
>>>being consistalntly the best).  ...
>>
>>Cymbal line, yes, but Bass line???  Spirit's Bass line has always
>>been the best in my book.
>
>I can think of two years that Spirit's bass line was really great...

I was thinking of 82-85 especially.  They used to do a medley of famous 
themes that was out of this world.  Petticoat junction, Andy Griffith, 
William Tell Overture, and everyone else's street beats.  That last part 
was cool because they would go through, in quick succession, SCV, 27th,
Suncoast, (and maybe others?) and their own.  

I'm forwarding this to my brother, who marched in the 83 and 85 bass
lines.  Maybe he'll comment on it...

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:59:58 EST
From: Elizabeth R. Bain <ERB107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1993 POC in Yplisanti?

The Ypsi stadium would most likely be that of Eastern Michigan University.
(Home of the team now known as the Eagles who used to be the Hurons.)  I live
right by there, and the stadium has recently been renovated.  I'm not suree
exactly what the entire renovations plan included, but I do know that a few
more seats were added (1,000 or 2,000; actually, probably more).  In my
opinion, the stadium is still fairly small (but that may be becuase I am used
to Beaver Stadium, which holds somewhere around 92,000 people, and Wolverine
Staidum at U of M).

I saw a competition there a few years back (actually, quite a few years back)
and it was not bad, as far as visibility for the sectators goes.

Liz.
erb107@psuvm.psu.edu
The Pennsylvania State University  (University Park, PA)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:54:54 EST
From: Elizabeth R. Bain <ERB107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Is there a "Storm" brewing?

Does anyone know if this Storm corps is the same corps that was supposed to
be based in SE Michigan (I  want to say Bloomfield Hills, but that seems like
such a silly place to put a crops)?  Just curious.

liz.
erb107@psuvm.psu.edu
The Pennsylvania State University  (university park, PA)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: informal survey
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:15:29 GMT

sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker) writes:

>In article <1ejs0mINN9j4@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>>>    Here's an informal survey for those of you interested.  Many corps have 
>>>songs associated with them, Madison and You'll Never Walk Alone, Sky Ryders - 
>>>Over the Rainbow, etc, etc.
>>>
>Well, I will always love Spirit's 'tradesong' "Georgia On My Mind".  Spirits
>fortunes may be falling, but their song will never fall...

I've always liked Suncoast's corps song, The Greatest Love of All.  If
you listen to the words you see how much this song relates to drum
corps.

Every time I think about the words to that song, I get a real feeling of
warmth and accomplishment.

Some other corps/song associations I can think of:

SCV : Send in the Clowns
Phantom : Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral
27th : Danny Boy
North Star : Sir Duke
Garfield : O Holy Name (although I don't ever remember them playing this.)
Troopers : How the West Was Won
Boston : Conquest
Star : When You Wish Upon a Star
Freelancers : Even Now

Later,
Bob

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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:08:26 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <Bxzs0B.8J3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag) writes:
><MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>
>>Discussion of the 1988 DCI Championships and Madison's victory have been
>>discussed recently in the group.  Here's who the real winners were for the
>>past few years.  These are IMHOs, of course, but I can see the flames coming

I like this -- here are mine:

1986 Blue Devils - no question
1987 tie!!!!!!      SCV and Garfield
	Remember that SCV won every caption over Garfield except drums and
that Garfield won drums by 0.5 (by getting a perfect 30.0)
and that Garfield won finals by only 0.1!
This was truly one time when there were two Championship shows in one year
and I think Garfield's perfect drum score should have been a 29.9 making
them true co-champions.  

1988 Blue Devils - undefeated going in and desreved to remain unfeated
going out.  A great show - incredible musicianship

1989 SCV - Phantom R. was great but SCV truly deserved this one

1990 Cavaliers.  Everything came together for them that year with their
best visual program ever.

1991 Star  no question

1992 Cavaliers.  Best percussion and visuals and EVERYTHING was very strong.
Their best horn line ever.  Cadets and Star's shows did not have the depth
of design to carry them to the Championship, Cavalier's show did.


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From: sastoen@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Susan Stoen)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: DCI 1993
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:45:27 GMT
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Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Will Madison play host to DCI Championships in 1993?

--Sue           email: sastoen@lamar.colostate.edu