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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Flea season part II
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:31:21 GMT

In <1992Sep27.180801.2708@wkuvx1.bitnet> shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer ) writes:

>	Someone post a question earlier about flea season and when it
>ended.  I was curious to hear the answer for the same reason.  I have
>yet to see an answer posted.  If you (the person who posted the
>question in the first place) got a e-mail reply could you please
>forword it or could someone send me e-mail about flea season?

Depends on where you are and how you've treated your surroundings.  A
good frost will kill most of the fleas outdoors (but not the eggs) but
not necessarily in the house.  They last year round in Florida.

Perhaps there was no answer because there is no answer.  Fleas are
tough sob's...

--CIndy

--
   Cindy Tittle Moore & Noisy Underfoot (bird watcher extraordinaire)

I post the rec.pets.cats FAQ (in two parts) every 25 days.  To get the FAQ:
ftp to pit-manager.mit.edu and look under /pub/usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/*
(part1, part2), or send email to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part1
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part2
in the body (leave subject line empty).  Send contributions and comments
to me; send questions not covered in the FAQ to the newsgroup.
From: rod@tassajara.Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Anesthesia Advice Needed
Date: 30 Sep 1992 23:32:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rod@tassajara.Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tassajara

Sorry if this is a FAQ and I've missed that.

Chloe is a 10 year old spayed female who needs her teeth
cleaned. I am concerned about the effects of the normal
injectible anesthesia on a cat her age. She is quite healty
other than having very dirty teeth. The alternative is to
give her gas (isoflourine, I think), which is more 
controllable and has fewer and has
shorter lived side effects. Of course it costs a lot more,
which I am willing to pay if it is justified. Do any of
you have any hard data about the trade offs between gas
and injections, or alternative cat-friendly ways to get
major crud off the teeth?

Thanks

Rod Miller (415) 336-6138 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: diana@com (CatWoman )
Subject: Re: Cat freaks at vet's!
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:29:33 GMT

granzeau_c@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:

] 
] I've been having a problem with my black and white DSH, Willy, and the vet. 

Hmmm - wonder if this is a problem endemic with B&W DSH cats?
] 
] Does anyone else have a cat that their vet can't seem to handle?  
] What do you do about it?  
] Should I try another vet?  
] Should I stick with the same vet and try a larger dose of 
] acepromazine?  
] Should I just tell Willy he can't go out anymore 
] (as it is, he only goes out in my yard under direct supervision), 
] and give up on getting him the shots?

My 14 year old was also a problem at the vet.  I never gave
her acepromazine - I just was the one to hold her while she
got her shots.

Then about 7-8 years ago I found the solution - and without
changing vets.  The vet I have been using all along opened
her own housecall veterinary service.  From the first visit,
she was a changed cat - the vet even accused me of having
a different cat!  Part of the problem was the terror she
experienced in being DRIVEN to the vet - and expectations
of what would happen there.  When she comes to the house,
there's no preliminary panic.

So - I WOULD be sure that the vet you are using is being
as gentle as possible first.  Ask if THEY will do housecall
service, and if not - if they can recommend a housecall
vet for you.

As for not getting shots - see the other thread about whether
or not to get shots for indoor-only animals...

Diana
From: sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu (Susan R. Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Help! New Kitten
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:14:47 GMT
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>I've only found evidence of this once - my husband was playing with our
>kitten on the bed one morning. He had his hand underneath the sheets and
>Salvador would pounce on it, then chew it while kicking out with his 
>hind paws (the bunny technique). Suddenly my husband yelled for me, and
>when I went in there was blood all over the sheets. His tooth had come
>out while chewing and drops went flying everywhere. Salvador wasn't the
>least bit concerned; I was, since I had to scrub the sheets :( .

I found 2 of Jesters milk teeth on my bed. It was very strange.  At
first we thought his claws were "shedding" because they were to long,
but no, they were his teeth.  I think he left them on our bed hoping for
a treat from the tooth fairy.

Susan and Jester
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kjenks@krakatoa.uucp (Kenneth C. Jenks [GM2] 483-4368)
Subject: Re: Missing Cat in Locked Apartment
Summary: drawers, behind, boxes
Keywords: lost/stolen cat?
Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:42:50 GMT

In article <mary.717306763@ferkel> mary@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Mary Cardenas) writes:
>Help!  After counting my cats (I always do this)
>this morning, noting they were all there, I
>left for work.  When I came home this afternoon,
>I was missing one.  Notably:  one Seal Point
>Siamese (Max).  My 2 kittens are still around,
>but no Max.  The door was locked, the screens
>were shut...there is no way he could have
>gotten out of the apartment by himself.
>
>I've looked everywhere for him.  I thought
>at first he might be sick and hiding, but
>I can't find him.  Last time he was sick
>and hiding, he at least would 'talk' to me,
>to help me find him.
>
>I have an incredibly miniscule apartment, if
>he's hidden, this is the best job he's done
>ever.
>
>Anyhoo--does anyone have any idea what i should do?
>Could he have been stolen (the screens are remarkably
>easy to open from outside)?  HELP.
>
>mary
>
Look in all drawers (even if closed), look under the bed, dresser,
any furniture more than .5 inch raised.  Look in any box or closet
you have already checked.  I found Callie (all 18.5 lbs of her) in
a box in the (closed) linen closet under a matress pad.  
Don't forget up high on top places, behind the 'fridge & dish washer,
(all major appliances), under the covers of the bed, and many other
improbable places.

Good luck & tell us when & where you find him!

Lisa Jenks on Kens account
From: jmckerro@attcan.UUCP (Janet McKerrow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Missing Cat in Locked Apartment
Summary: lost cat
Keywords: lost/stolen cat?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:50:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T Canada Inc., Toronto

In article <mary.717306763@ferkel>, mary@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Mary Cardenas) writes:
> Help!     

.    (stuff deleted)
> 
> I've looked everywhere for him.  I thought
> at first he might be sick and hiding, but
> I can't find him.  Last time he was sick
> and hiding, he at least would 'talk' to me,
> to help me find him.
> 
> I have an incredibly miniscule apartment, if
> he's hidden, this is the best job he's done
> ever.
> 
> Anyhoo--does anyone have any idea what i should do?
> Could he have been stolen (the screens are remarkably
> easy to open from outside)?  HELP.
> 
> mary


If your screens are very easy to take out, and you're on the
ground floor, your puss may have been stolen - but, do you
have a chair with a loose back?  We have a recliner with a
flap at the back and one of our cats loves to climb inside
the chair and hide (to get some peace and quiet, I think).
I realised this when I moved the chair to vacuum and found
a patch of white hair on the carpet.

Hope you find him soon.

Janet
From: lswan@ucsd.edu (Swan, Lyn)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Nasty Tapeworms-
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:46:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsd.lswan.34.0
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: card3.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Oct6.085655.1@stsci.edu> lhuffman@stsci.edu writes:
>From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
>Subject: Re: Nasty Tapeworms-
>Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:56:55 GMT

>In article <1526400002@igc.apc.org>, Tracie Diamond <tracie@igc.apc.org> writes:
>> 
>> Does anyone have any suggestions about getting rid of tapeworms. The cats 
>> I live with had it before and the vet took care of the nasty critters invading
>> Andrew's and Butch's bodies. But now they are back. I know they come from 
>> fleas and we are trying are hardest to get rid of them in the house. But
>> they are outdoor cats. Is there any natural, inexpencive way to get rid of
>> them???? Does anyone have a direction they could point me in for the info?
>> 

>Droncit tablets, obtained at the vet and given in two doses two weeks apart 
>whenever tapes make their appearance, cost about $1.50 apiece and are the 
>remedy of choice for tapes.

I've been told that these pills cost about $12-$13 each from the vet.  Is 
this just another S. California rip off?  Could someone else please comment 
on cost in their area?

Lyn
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (Maven o'Mirth)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cookies
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:39:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <3125@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>I vote that the recipe be added to the FAQ.
>
>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
>    "organic is close to godliness, but like godliness, can have
>     drawbacks like the busload of nuns that were wiped out by a
>     run-away truck full of organic produce." - Suzanne McCaffrey

Seconded!

--
Sheryl Stover				|  How passing fair is youth,
*>sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu<*		|  Forever fleeting away;
and Hemingway, feline philosopher	|  Who happy would be, let him be;
Watch this .sig for news of the		|  Of tomorrow, who can say?
upcoming album from Seattle's 		|	-Lorenzo de'Medici
premier band, the Medici!		|
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Q4U. Removing cat urine smell (yes, I've read the FAQ)
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:13:51 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep25.233024.15583@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
> 
> And it's quite a comprehensive FAQ if I do say so. Unfortunately, most
> of what I've read in it deals with using specialized commercial products. The 
> reason I'd like to get more input on other people's luck is because:
> 
> -the products are rather expensive.
> -I've not had luck with enzymatic products.

If you use the enzyme products, you must use freshly diluted enzymes,
let it soak in as deeply as the urine has penetrated, and *keep the area
warm and wet for 24 hours*.  Chemical reactions, including enzymatic
reactions, go faster at higher temperatures.  Unfortunately, most
enzymatic reactions don't do well much over 102oF (38-39oC)-- so not
TOO hot.  I cover the area with towels soaked in plain water after I've
applied the enzyme, then a shower curtain over that to make sure the
area stays moist.  In the winter, I turn up the heat from my miserly
55oF to 75 or 80.

> -there *must* be some old trick to this without having to buy
>  'special products'. (I'm into old-wive's potions...)

Wish I knew.  I've talked with a zillion vets, animal caretakers,
kennel owners, etc.  The ones I keep hearing about are vinegar and
borax, neither of which is anywhere near a permanent solution for me.

There is a product called OdorMute, which comes in a powder form in 
a box about the size of a bar of bath soap.  Originally made for
de-skunking dogs, but it does an OK job on most organic odors, and
it isn't terribly expensive: about $3-4 for a box to make about
10 gallons of solution.  HOWEVER, it does leave a powdery white
residue on carpets, needs to be redone 3-4 times before it seems to
work well for me on porous surfaces, etc.  I do prefer it on non-porous
surfaces.

There is one other possibility:  if the urine has soaked through pad
and carpet and into the floor boards, you may need to replace the 
section of flooring before you'll be rid of the smell.

Good luck!

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Anesthesia Advice Needed
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:51:55 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <lcke7sINNe08@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, rod@tassajara.Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller) writes:
> 
> Chloe is a 10 year old spayed female who needs her teeth
> cleaned. I am concerned about the effects of the normal
> injectible anesthesia on a cat her age. She is quite healty
> other than having very dirty teeth. The alternative is to
> give her gas (isoflourine, I think), which is more 
> controllable and has fewer and has
> shorter lived side effects. Of course it costs a lot more,
> which I am willing to pay if it is justified. Do any of
> you have any hard data about the trade offs between gas
> and injections, or alternative cat-friendly ways to get
> major crud off the teeth?

My vets are uniformly in favor of gas anethesia on older cats,
esp. > 3 yrs.  And they use a heart monitor during surgery.

If you've got a calm kitty, you and the vet may well be able to
get by with a mild sedative for continuing teeth-cleaning.  I
clean most of my guys' teeth myself, basically just pressure-
flaking the tartar off with a thumbnail.  They'll let me do two
or three teeth before they decide they'd sooner be doing something
else...

You'll probably need anesthesia if there is a major tartar buildup
and/or an extraction is needed.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI


Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: maverick@topgun.b29.ingr.com (Mike Sorrelle)
Subject: FUS - another TLA
Reply-To: maverick@topgun.b29.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Dullsville (as in Huntsville), AL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:06:28 GMT

In article <wlhadley.717964553@mwunix>, wlhadley@mwunix.mitre.org (William L. Hadley) writes:
|> 
|> Forgive my ignorance, but what is "FUS"?

Bill,

That's another one of those TLA's (Three Letter Acronym - which is itself
a TLA. 8-) ) that stands for Feline Urinary Syndrome.
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From: dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu (David Blackburn)
Subject: Neko for NeXT computers
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:39:28 GMT


If any of you cat/NeXT types would like a cute program called "neko"  
(Japanese for kitten) please send me NeXT mail. The program puts up a  
window where a little cartoon kitten chases the cursor around. I've blown  
the window up to full screen. (The program is also available on Macs as a  
desk accessory). 
Now I can't do anything on my computer without being followed around and  
pestered by a cat. Just like home.  :-) :-)   :-< ) <- kitty smilie

--

* Dave Blackburn  dblackbu@alleg.edu  flames to self@home.dev.null *          
* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats, religion, & the Dead           *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
* "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"     *
From: joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu (Joan Maxfield UCNS)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat freaks at vet's!
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:52:04 GMT
Organization: College of Education, University of Georgia


 

Angelica has a problem like this.  Only she gets shots fine, it's
getting blood that is scary.  She goes into convultions because she
gets so upset.  Luckily, she's only needed blood taken twice.  The
first vet we went to just held her down and took the blood, then let
her come out of her seziure (what a nice lady!)  our new vet was told
ahead of time and tried with her awake but then gave her a little
sedative when she acted a little odd.  Normally she loves the vet.  I
am plannng (one of these days if I ever get a minute) on bringing Amos
to the vet just for a visit.  No shots, no gloves, just LOTS of kitty
treats and hugs.  I think it should help just like acclimating a cat
to a car ride or a move.  Angelica already loves the vet.  She likes
to jump up onto the receptionists desk and walk on the computer
keyboard and play. We are very lucky to have such loving people at the
vets office!

Joan

P.s. Amos has found a new favorite cat treat!  Floating peletted fish
food!  Don't ask me why, I think it stinks but he goes NUTS for it!!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dmillard@encore.com (Debbie Millard)
Subject: Neutered Males' behavior
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:07:47 GMT

(Sorry, folks, I tried to mail this, but it bounced)

In article <CD6QBW14@cc.swarthmore.edu> you write:
>Ever since my cat was fixed, he's gotten lazy to the point where the only 
>spark of activity is at feeding time.  
>
>Is there any dietary changes that would increase his activity levels?  

Don't know about this - especially if he's gained weight.  I'd
check with the vet.

>Or 
>is this normal?  If it is, my next cat will be female!

I have a neutered male who is the most active of my three,
the other two are female.  I'm trying to figure out how to
describe how active he is, and can only say that his nickname
is well deserved: Timmy-terror-the-cat-from-hell (in the most
affectionate sense of course:-)

Again, I'd ask the vet for advice.  Good luck.

Debbie M.
Calli (happy 4th B-Day, Sweetheart), Cissy, & Timmy
From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Pine Shavings as Litter
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:50:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: wetware.1992Oct1.185042.27021
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher

Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:

] Can anybody tell me, is there any reason NOT to use pine shavings as cat
] litter? 

Well - I haven't seen anyone else respond.

The only problem I can see is that Pine Oil is
toxic (I believe that is in the FAQ?).  Pine Oil
cleaners should not be used around cats.

I talked to my vet last year about cats who walk
on pine trees - and she said that if they get a
lot of pine pitch, it could be a problem.  I don't
know how much pitch is left in the shavings, but
it is possible that there could be toxic buildup
from daily use of the shavings.

Anyone else?

Diana
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: fun cat books
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:18:03 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Sep24.093819.2764@nmt.edu>, dgray@nmt.edu (Dorian Gray) writes:

    - stuff deleted -

|>
|>While I'm posting about this, I might as well mention something else..
|>I recently (last tuesday morning) had a very special kitty get hit and
|>killed by a car in front of my house while I was away that night.  It
|>was a singularly destructive experience for me, particularly in light
|>of an identical occurance dating back to my junior high days with
|>another favorite kitty.  I expected it to happen sooner than later
|>because we live on the corner of two busy streets, but of course that
|>did nothing to soften the blow.  I'd adopted her and a boy kitty at the
|>beginning of summer and they'd become an integral part of my life.
|>
|>I'm not sure what I'm trying to accomplish here, except to share my
|>experience, my grief for the girl kitty, and my worry for the boy
|>kitty's safety (which itself is at odds with my desire for him to
|>have the freedom of the outside world all kitties should have).
|>
|>Thanks for listening,
|>Dorian Gray
|>dgray@nmt.edu
                          
Oh Dorian, I sympathize with you completely. Our 9-month old male, Cairo,
was also hit by a car and killed almost two weeks ago. It happened during
the afternoon and we didn't find out until late that night. It was
devastating. 

We do have another cat, Salvador, who is 7 months old. But Cairo was our
first and, I hate to admit, my favourite. Each cat has such a distinct
personality that they become part of the family, and can never be
replaced. 

Everybody now asks me if I'm keeping Salvador inside, but I couldn't
stand to. My husband and I both feel it's an important aspect of their
lives. At least I know Salvador's not so bold as Cairo was; he usually
runs for safety when he hears any loud noises. There's no sense worrying
about him, I'll just drive myself crazy. 

The solution? Get another kitty! We're strong believers that two are
better than one, and Salvador is bored and lonely. He needs a rough-and-
tough monster-kitten to liven him up.

Good luck, and accept my sincerest condolences.
- Lianne -
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Using your hands (was Re: Help! Vicious kitten)
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:54:28 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, RCHASE@ESTEC.BITNET (Richard Chase) writes:
>My cat, Casey, likes to play kind of rough sometimes.  She obviously
>didn't read the cat books which say they keeps their claws in when
>playing with people.  In the end, she trained me to use an old ski
>glove for the "playing for keeps" games.  That way she can wrap
>herself around my hand and kick and bite all she wants and I get the
>fun of playing but without the scratches.  This has worked for years
>now but I'll soon need another glove.  The only problem I have is
>when she decides to play when I don't have the glove on.  Ouch!!

  This reminds me of something I've noticed about the cats I've known.
Do people think it's true that a cat gets more rough in play as
they get older.  Our cat, Roo, is approaching 10 years of age, and
she has definately become rougher.  She used to play a lot of 'dabbing'
games, with claws in, but it seems that these days she almost seems
to forget herself, and get over excited when she plays, and you can
get some pretty viscious scratches off her.  Not too suprisingly,
we've come to recognise 'that look' which means that the next thing
that's coming our way is a fist-full of claws!!
  I've seen this in other people's cats too, and even the most
gentle cats have eventually become a little less careful when
you're playing with them.
  Has anyone else noticed this??

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