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From: BL.JYC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Maternity leaves in civilized countries
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:12:25 GMT

   Here are some selected examples of legally mandated maternity leaves
in various industrially advanced countries.  Except where noted they
apply only to mothers.  Further details are available in the reference
cited, so don't post a followup demanding, "Well, do these policies blah
blah blah...?":  you can go to the library and look it up youreslf.  The
"Salary" column indicates the salary which a worker on such leaves
receives as a percentage of the worker's previous wage.  In most cases
this salary benefit is capped at the maximum wage covered by the
country's social insurance.  I don't know how this maximum covered wage
compares to the average wage in the various countries; perhaps some
other netters can tell us.  These figures were published in 1983, but I
believe the situation in most countries hasn't changed drastically since
then.


   Country                   Leave                  Salary paid on leave

   Austria                8 weeks pregnancy            100%
                          8 to 12 weeks newborn

   Canada                 11 weeks pregnancy           60%
                          6 weeks newborn
                          (Federal, provincial varies)

   Denmark                4 weeks pregnancy            90%
                          14 weeks newborn

   Finland                ten months                   80%


   France                 2-6 weeks pregnancy          90%
                          6-10 weeks newborn

   Germany                6 weeks pregnancy            varies, but comp-
                          6 months newborn              orable to others

   Italy                  2 months pregnancy           80%
                          3 months newborn

   Norway                 18 weeks, up to 12           100%
                           of which father can use

   U.K.                   up to 11 weeks pregnancy     varies, but can
                          7 weeks newborn                be up to 90%
                          can be much longer for
                          employees with seniority

   Note:  all these countries also provide medical and hospital coverage
as well at childbirth as well as prenatal and postnatal care through a
national health insurance system or national health service.

   Source:  Maternity Policies and Working Women, by Sheila B. Kamerman
et. al. (New York, Columbia University Press, 1983) pp. 15-24.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp)
Subject: Re: To all those looking for lists of recruiters...
Organization: Grumman Corporation
	<1992Sep28.094946.8498@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl>
	<1831@sousa.ltn.dec.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:20:52 GMT

In article <1831@sousa.ltn.dec.com> paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:

paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:
   arjay@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (R.J. Kimmel) writes:
   >>Excuse me, but not everyone asking for "recruiters" has the option
   >>of looking up the information in the yellow pages.  
   >>[or newspapers]

   >Sorry, Arjay... my flame wasn't directed at you... i was kvetching
   >about folks at U.S. sites who *have* plenty of resources available
   >to them, but who use the net out of laziness or cluelessness...

   --
   >Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
   >Working for DEC, speaking for myself.


Don't you think these people might be looking for recommendations???
How many are looking for head-hunters in a different geographical
region from they live (even those in the states)?

It is a waste of everybody's time if all of those people are being
lazy, but I suspect that is not the case.
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From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Salary History?
Date: 25 Sep 92 14:41:51 EST
Summary: Run--don't walk--to another company :)
Organization: Logicon Technical Services, Inc.

In article <92267.29449.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> A lot of potential employers these days are requesting salary histories.  It
> seems to me that this would weaken one's position when negotiating salary or
> when an offer is extended.  How do you handle this question other than lying
> about your current salary?
> 

	This is one of the double-standards I dislike in the job market. 
Companies will sometimes ask detailed questions about your salary, but heaven
forbid that you and your co-workers discuss this once you get hired!

	If a company asked for my salary history, I would ask why they wanted
it.  There aren't any good justifications that I can think of right now, but it
would be interesting to hear their response :).  If it's to *justify* the
salary you are asking for, watch out.  You may never be treated fairly by this
company.  If you have been underpaid the last few years (a good reason to seek
a new job :), you're supposed to come into a new company just as underpaid?!

	I guess I'd ask for a swap: you give them your history, and they give
you the salaries of everyone who is of comparable position in their company :).

Brett--------------------------------------------------------------------------
	"Why the courts don't tell a husband who has been living off his wife
to go out and get a job is beyond my comprehension."--Joan Lunden
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: interview question
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.200234.16363@sierra.com> dgeary@sierra.com (David Geary) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.235602.3260@bosslogic.com> jai@bosslogic.com writes:
>>
>>In article <qHmyqB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM  
>>(olga from the volga) writes:
>>> guox@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (Xuan-Hui Guo) writes:
>>> 
>>> > When I had interviews, people like to ask me if I have any other  
>>offer.
>>> > I wonder whether they want to hear I said yes or not. Why do they want  
>>to
>>> > know
>>> > that? how does that contribute to the hiring decision?  Any insight is
>>> > appreciated.
>>> > 
>>> > --
>>> > XHGuo
>>> I usually tell them that information is confidential.
>>> 
>>> olga@csiatl.gwinnett
>>> YOW!
>>
>>Someone asked me this too sometimes in an interview. I think it made a  
>>better impression if I said that I had an offer (even if I did not have an  
>>offer), but be a bit tactful about it and say that you would prefer this  
>>job that the interviewer has because it more challenging, fits your  
>>objectives, etc, etc .....
>>
>
>  Sheesh.  Doesn't anybody consider telling the truth anymore?
>
>-- 
>David Geary           	|   Seattle - America's most attractive city ... 
>Sierra Geophysics	|	
>dgeary@sierra.com	|   to the jetstream ;-(


Amen!  Anyone who lies their way into a job deserves to get fired.  If
they're dishonest at the interview, who's to say they'll be honest when
they're trusted with major responsibilities within the organization?
Perhaps what olga really meant is that it's better to have another
offer pending, which is obviously a good bargaining chip.  But if you lie
and they call your bluff, you've essentially screwed yourself out of a
From: dgeary@sierra.com (David Geary)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Need advice on Career choices
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:29:03 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics,  Kirkland WA


  I have a good friend who is in dire need of some career counseling.  Dan
is a 38 yr old (male, obviously), who is a very intelligent guy with a couple
of yrs of college, and currently working at a mortgage company where
he's about going nuts due to high stress/low pay. (He's been there for 3/4 yrs)

  Dan would like to find some other line of work, but is unsure exactly what
to do, or how to go about doing so.  He is interested in becoming a teacher,
but is unsure of job prospects when he would graduate in a few years, and
thus be over the age of 40 (he feels that graduating at that "late" age would
be a disadvantage in his job search).  He is hesitant to put the work into
school if it would wind up being a dead end after graduation.

  Dan is also interested in writing, but considering the ratio of Stephen
Kings/Those-who-never-make-it, he is hesitant to launch a career in that 
direction also.

  Dan is not interested in technical fields such as computers (although
he is computer literate to the point of being able to deal with data entry types
of work), and does not think he has much interest in many other fields, 
with the exception of becoming a professional tennis player (at his age,
his odds are rather slim ;-).  Dan is not interested in making lots of money,
he just wants to find a line of work where he can be proud of what he does,
and be happy doing so.

  I'd like to hear from anyone who would take a few minutes out to reply
to this message, especially those with some knowledge of the teaching 
profession, and what kind of handicap/advantage it would be to enter the 
field at > 40 yrs of age.

  Thanx.


-- 
David Geary           	|   Seattle - America's most attractive city ... 
Sierra Geophysics	|	
dgeary@sierra.com	|   to the jetstream ;-(
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S. Jobs
Date: 1 Oct 1992 19:31:12 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: prem.lbl.gov

In article <1992Sep30.151501.9522@informix.com> cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
>
>I agree, if we can get the rest of the world to go along with our standards
                    ########################################################
>then we will be able to 'afford' some of the social programs the fluff 
>heads want to force on business.
>Craig Shaver  (cshaver@informix.com for now) (415)390-0654 (415)926-6407

	__WHY__ should the rest of the world be made to go along with
	U.S. standards ?? Does the U.S. always comply with the standards
	in other nations ?? Or doesn't it have to, because it has bigger
	guns ??

	Prem!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp)
Subject: Re: Salary History?
Organization: Grumman Corporation
	<92272.102759RICKI@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> <BvAu7H.FDH@news.larc.nasa.gov>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:54:03 GMT

In article <BvAu7H.FDH@news.larc.nasa.gov> jka@windshear.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes:

   In article <92272.102759RICKI@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>, Ricki Dulin <RICKI@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> writes:
   |> As a previous Personnel Manager there a good reasons to ask for this
   |> information.  Don't ever lie - it is almost always grounds for immediate
   |> dismissal.

   > Spoken like a true human resources person. I don't want to seem to be
   > advocating lying, because I'm not, but how would they ever know that you 
   > lied? To my knowledge, employers don't give out current or ex-employees
   > salaries to just anyone who calls on the phone.

While they normally won't give them out on the phone, most will
respond to a request on company letterhead.  Most companies want to
verify what you've told them about your past experience and salary.
While this may occassionally be to low-ball the offer to you, in many
cases the verification isn't made until after the offer has been made.
I know of a couple of companies who did not try for verification until
after the employee had started work.  As the "previous Personnel
Manager" says, there are good reasons for asking for the information.
Most companies are opposed to offering outrageous salary increases to
prospective employees, if someone says they are making 65K when they
are making 50K then the amount of the offer made to this person would
probably be far above the norm, and could cause significant problems
within the company's workforce if the truth were to come out.
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From: cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S. Jobs
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:15:01 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.141134.2471@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:
>
>Having thought about this one for a while, I have come up with the following
>solution:
>
>   Give companies the ability to stop unfair trading, i.e. American companies
>   have to work within regulations for the welfare of their employees,
>   pollution control etc.. If a foreign company is not operating under the same
>   or equivalent regulations then it has an "unfair" advantage, an American
>   company (or individuals) should be able to ban or restrict their imports to
>   the U.S. on these grounds.
>
I agree, if we can get the rest of the world to go along with our standards
then we will be able to 'afford' some of the social programs the fluff 
heads want to force on business.

Craig

-- 
Craig Shaver  (cshaver@informix.com for now) (415)390-0654 (415)926-6407
Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA  94088
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pmmuggli@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu  (pauline muggli)
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S. Jobs
Originator: mdtll@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:30:53 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, Univ. of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

  prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
>  cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:

>>I agree, if we can get the rest of the world to go along with our standards
>                    ########################################################
>>then we will be able to 'afford' some of the social programs the fluff 
>>heads want to force on business.
 
>	__WHY__ should the rest of the world be made to go along with
>	U.S. standards ?? Does the U.S. always comply with the standards
>	in other nations ?? Or doesn't it have to, because it has bigger
>	guns ??

i gathered by standards, he meant safety and environmental.  and,
i think he is looking at it the wrong way.  the companies (u.s.)
should have to go with whatever standards are higher in the
country the plant is located (the u.s. one or the native one).

for example, it is the difference in standards that lets some
fertilizer manufacturers sell products that are banned in the u.s.
to other countries.

there are places all over the world including the united states where
people in positions of power (and some of the populace) will
ignore many things to get that plant built so they can have
jobs.  if you are starving, what do you care about the
environment if a job will give you the ability to feed your family.

pauline
pmmuggli@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   (the univ. of oklahoma)

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bethmo@microsoft.com (Beth Moursund)
Subject: Re: salary for new graduates
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:51:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <BvCLHr.9yE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gregory j farrar) writes:
>What range of salary could a person who has just graduated with a 4 year 
>computer science degree expect to be offered ??

Somewhere between minimimum wage and $50,000 I'd say.  :-)
From: jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:22:21 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta

Hi,
I am interested in Software jobs in Saudi Arabia. Would you know the following:
  1. What kind of skills are in demand ?
  2. What kind of minimum experience levels are needed ?
  3. What is the best source for these jobs (i.e. agencies or companies
     directly). Any names and address ?
Thanks in advance,
Jimmy
P.S. Email to jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
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From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Man Power Needed
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:30:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: sousa.1890
Reply-To: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Karl Rominger writes:
>Anyone interested in earning a healthy extra income?
>Please email me at romingk@alleg.edu for more details.

Why don't you post the details instead?

--
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman)
Subject: LA area, EE familiar with FAX and phone signalling
Organization: Vital Software Services, Oxnard, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:20:24 GMT

We're looking for an EE for a short-term design project.  This involves
the signals involved in connecting and switching phone calls, and in
transferring digital data, particularly FAX transmissions.

Respond to me by e-mail, phone, or snail-mail.  The .signature should
have it all.  The answering machine has fax capability if you want to
send resumes that way.
-- 
Kevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com )
voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA  93035
Non-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say.
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.contract:3617 atl.jobs:498
From: auug@dscatl.UUCP (Atlanta UNIX Users Group)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,atl.jobs
Subject: UNIX-experienced Pre-sales/Post-sales person, Atlanta GA (Recruiter)
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:28:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Atlanta UNIX Users Group,  Atlanta  GA

[ Supplied to the Atlanta UNIX Users Group (AUUG) ]

Need a pre-sales or post-sales person with "techie" UNIX experience, 
knowledge of system administration, application development, and
database structure experience.

Will need to communicate with "techies" at client sites.

Needs to answer questions and address technical sales issues.  Will
not be installing systems.

STRATUS or TANDEM hardware experience is a plus

Initially a consulting position with a right to hire.

Need to be a self-starter with "great" image.

Contact:
  Pamela Bower
  Analysts International, 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd NE, Atlanta, GA 30342
  (404) 256-5190
  (404) 843-1693 (FAX for resumes.)

[ AUUG is posting this as a service to the NETNEWS community.  The recruiter
  does not have e-mail capability, so e-mail responses will not be forwarded.]
From: alanh@cup.portal.com (Alan E Hattman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered,ba.jobs.offered
Subject: Oracle DB - Prj Mgr, SF CA (Broker)
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 92 15:15:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

                            Project Mgmt Consultant

                                  Job # 065AH


Client company is looking for a Sr level consultant with prior project
management experience to assist in the conversion of a large finance related
database system.

You need a minimum of 3 yrs of project management background as well as strong
Oracle DB experience.  Background with large financial systems is highly
desirable.

This will be a 6 month project requiring you on a *part/time* basis.  The
project is scheduled to start January 1993.

Qualified individuals need to contact Steven Rhudy no later than October 19,
1992.

Steven Rhudy - Technical Recruiter

Mini-Systems Associates                       The Right People....
100 Homeland Court, Ste. 405                         The First Time...
San Jose, CA 95112                                           Guaranteed!!

Voice:   408-451-0260
Fax:     408-451-0277
Email:   alanh@cup.portal.com  (ascii format only) 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
From: kornfein@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Roger Kornfein)
Subject: Unix/C/GUI/Sybase developers, WA / RECRUITER
Keywords: Unix, C, Sybase, X, Motif, HP 9000, Telecom
Organization: E.D.P. Markets and E.D.P. Consultants Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:10:23 GMT

>DATE POSTED    		September 28th, 1992

>POSITIONS	    		Unix/C/GUI/Sybase P/A's

>LOCATION	    		WA, Seattle area

>SALARY 	    		$25 - $40 / hour, DOE and area of expertise.
	  	    		9 - 12 month contracts.

>REQUIRED	    		3+ years experience doing software development
	  	    		in C under Unix, 2+ years working with Sybase,
	  	    		3+ years doing GUI development with X using
	  	    		the Motif toolkit, experience on the HP 9000
	  	    		platform, BSCS or EE. 

>DESIRED	    		Background in telecomm.

>DESCRIPTION    		Several different sorts of applications
	  	    		development. GUI and Database applications
	  	    		developers for accounting/billing systems.
	  	    		C programmers for system utility tool
	  	    		development. 
	  	    		Database developers include individuals who
	  	    		can put together a database for the client
	  	    		server architecture, tune the server side,
	  	    		etc. AND individuals who can write client
	  	    		applications using forms and SQR.


*********************+*******************************************************
*	I'M SORRY BUT WE ARE UNABLE TO ASSIST NEW COLLEGE GRADUATES        *
****************************************************************************


Please reply to:

Roger Kornfein
E.D.P. Markets Inc. & E.D.P. Consultants Inc.
4000 S.E. International Way
Suite F203
Portland, OR 97222

PHONE:  	    (503) 654 - 9600
FAX:	  	    (503) 654 - 2120

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: tms@netcom.com (Taos Mountain Software)
Subject: N.Cal Unix SQA/SQE Contract Opptys
Keywords: N.Cal sqa sqe contract job jobs Taos
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:11:43 GMT


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Taos Mountain Software, a Mountain View, CA based Unix  Contract-
ing and Training company, has several anticipated Unix contract 
openings.

Taos Mountain offers its W2 contractors Health Insurance,  Educa-
tional  Reimbursement,  business  cards,  Internet access, and we
work hard to keep our  contractors  busy  from  one  contract  to
another.  Contact us for details.

   When replying, please indicate req number and job title.
 If emailing us a resume, please send only flat ascii resumes.

USMail:         Jerry Bowes
                Taos Mountain Software
                415 Clyde Ave., Suite 105
                Mountain View, CA  94043

voice:          (415) 961-2100
fax:            (415) 961-6668
email:          tms@netcom.com

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


                     === Req number 090 ===

Job Title:              Unix SQA Engineering

Number of Openings:     Several Anticipated

Likely Duration:        3-9 Months

Job Description:        Unix Test Development and Execution

Candidate Qualifications:

        - 3 years Unix oriented C programming experience
        - Familiarity with Unix Internals, Libraries, and Utilities
        - 2 years test development and execution experience
        - Familiarity with SCCS, RCS, or other CM system
        - Strong Bourne Shell expertise
        - Familiarity with X11 operation and programming a plus

             === See reply info at top of file  ===

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