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From: bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 12:00:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.075137.5803@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>Anak Jati Terengganu (emfar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: 	By the way...  I really like know more story about Muslims
>: 	converting away in England.. Anyone has something to share ?
>From what I recall reading, those who converted to other beliefs apart from
>Islam are girls who marry others.
>	So you muslim students, look after our girls. At least be nice to them.
>This JPA ruling of not allowing students to get married is just stupid. I
>can't blame them when liberal parents are the ones who demanded the ruling.

 Speaking as someone from England, I hane't encountered ANY cases at all. I
don't recall the Ustaz from MSD mentioning it to me either. I heard this
rumor when I was back last, and it was reported initially in all the
sensationalist "tabloids" before the "quality" papers caught on.
It's a good story I grant you, "Our girls " being happlessly turned from 
the Right Path. But I don't think it is true or as widespread as reported. 


 I also think "our girls" are capable of looking after themselves. They
do not need to be "protected" , mollycoddeled and patronised. If they
marry someone else of another race, as long as they are Muslims, surely it
is OK. Tying into the other thread, Race is no the same as Religion though
the Malaysian Constitution defines a Malay as Muslim. I know of Islamic 
converts of other races being accorded the status and rights of Bumiputras.

 I personally think that the young people should be allowed to marry as
soon as they want to as they are considered "baligh". It is IMHO un-Islamic
to deny this right to adults be it that they are young adults. The fear is that
the girls will breed like rabbits if allowed to marry. Surely this should be the
joint responsibilty of the couple. Ie the Rakyat's money has gone into
your education so educate yourself first before starting a family.
Most young people are responsible enough to make this decision, I'm sure. 

>
>HOw about US students. I also hear horrow stories about murdering babies.
>

Alamak! Gossip lagi..... :) :) :) (<- note smileys humor imapired)

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From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Kilts and Sarongs
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:05:19 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct11.122109.3746@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
> Have you ever wonder,
>   what should one wears under his kilt?
> From waist to knee,
>   that which covers his milt.

Girl timidly asking man, "Sir, can I ask you, what is worn under the kilt?"
Man to girl, "Nothing is worn...  Everything is brand new..."
	Cheerio.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u906271@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Chewing Gunn)
Subject: Hong Kong Newspaper
Summary: HK News 
Keywords: Newspaper
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:39:09 GMT

Hi,
  A few months ago, I remember an artical about an electronic newspaper in
  Chinese which is available from a mail server.
  I'd like to subscribe to it but I can't remember the address.
  Can someone please mail me the address?

Thanks in advance.
Chris

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From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Singapore:  PC show
Date: 15 Oct 1992 03:46:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Hi, can anyone tell me when exactly is the PC show at Singapore this
year?  And any other details about it.

Shaw
From: bem30001@nusunix1.nus.sg (LEE CHEE HOE)
Subject: Re: Sense of Humour (no apologies for British spelling here)
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:45:24 GMT

LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
: Do Singaporeans have a sense of humour?  I have seen absolutely no
: evidence for any in the mails I have received, and I recall when
: shopping in a mall there that shop assistants are incapable of laughing
: at jokes.  Perhaps it is just a different sense of humour.  I know that
: the Thai, for example, do not understand sarcasm, but it seems that 
: Singaporeans do not understand any western forms at all.
: 
: Could anyone who is still talking to me on this network please translate
: a Singaporean joke so that I can understand what does make them laugh
: (I guess that they do laugh there).
: 
: Laurence
:

"Why U so like dat?"
 

n'toni
National University of Singapore
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: BIG BROTHER
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:40:48 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
: 
: 	someone writing of big brother reminded me of something
: 
: 	during the re-registration of ics in singapore, 
: 
: 		1. 	all the photos had to be of some *precise*
: 		format, size, background...
: 
: 		2.	the photos were scanned
: 
: 		3.	thumbprints were also gotten to the
: 		computers through some machine
: 
: 	that feels BIG BROTHERISH to me.
: 
: 	rather worrying is the scanning of the photos.
: 
: 	i guess that automatic recognition of photos is not
: 	possible nowadays, but i think the ISS is working on
: 	such things.
: 
: 	if it does prove possible to do so, or even to use
: 	computers to narrow down the search for recognizing people
: 	from photos, then anyone in power can take pictures of
: 	people anywhere and know immediately who they are.
: 
: 	as long as you can *trust* the people in power, i guess
: 	that's not too bad. but if you can't trust these people...
: 
: 
: 	anyone any thoughts about that ??
: 	
: 	anyone from ISS to tell about their image processing
: 	research??
: 
: 
: 	kpurang

Just to let you know that we at NUS have perfected a device which allows
us, by analysing your messages to soc.culture.asean, to determine the
precise nature of your political views. We know all about you, including
that mole on your nose.

g
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:59:13 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia

In article <1992Oct15.173342.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
> 
> In article <1bgj3pINN2tr@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, yewhan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Yew Han Hee) writes:
> > Rod Swift (rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au) wrote:
> 
> > : Mabe he could do better as a performing seal or a puppet.  He seems to
> > : be well suited as a puppet, but who will stick their hand where to operate
> > : the said puppet.

stuff deleted

> Please, I do know when I am criticising someone with a weak mind.  I have
> been around long enough to see how narrow Mr Bin-head's is!
> 
> Thank you!  Have a nice day!

Give it a rest, Rod. Afterall, he didn't throw tomatoes at you in Changi
airport when you visited Singapore.

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hhamouda@unity.ncsu.edu (Hechmi Hamouda)
Subject: VIDEOTAPES CONVERSION BETWEEN U.S. AND OTHER STANDARDS(PAL/SECAM/NTSC)
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:28:39 GMT

Hi,
 
I just discovered and used this interesting service, I decided to
post this message here for the benefit of others who might need such service.

There is a service in Raleigh, NC where video conversion from any country format
to any format can be made (VHS, VHS-C and 8 mm types of cassettes).
This will allow playback of videotapes made overseas, here on U.S. TV's and VCR's (NTSC System). The service will also covert the other way around, from
U.S. system to any of the systems used anywhere else in the world (PAL,
SECAM, etc..) 
 
Mailing Address:  INTERNATIONAL VIDEO CONVERSION
                  520 Harvet Lane
                  Raleigh, NC 27606-2217
 
Phone:            (919) 233-8689
 
Fees:             $20.00 + $5.00 S&H 
                  (Price of a High Grade Cassette Included, 2hrs or less)

Delivery:         Mailed back the next day, express shipping at request. 
 
Payment: 	  Cheque, Cash or Money Order mailed with tape.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 07:30:11 MST
From: Chee Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Kadazan Tengkolok

Dear Sabahans/Malaysians,

   It is said that the Kadazan headgear bears a cross which is meant to
stand for the faith of Christianity.  Is this really true?  I am looking
for some Sabahans, or better still a Kadazan, to enlighten me on this
question.  This is strictly a fact-finding question, and should have
nothing beyond it.  However, what makes the question politically
interesting is the following story I came across while my recent stay
in Malaysia.

   In the election campaign in 1990, Dr. Mahathir accused his arch
rival Tengku Razaleigh for betraying the Malays by wearing the
Kadazan tengkolok which bore a cross.  It is said that Mahathir's
campaign used the TV to broadcast such picture a few days right before
the election day.  Meanwhile, it is further said that Dr. Mahathir
himself had worn the same tengkolok when he visited Sahah just weeks
before Tengku Razaleigh did.

   If the above story were true, I guess the few questions I've are: Is
anyone, be he/she be an ordinary Malaysian or the premier of Malaysia,
allowed to discuss such sensitive racial issue these days in Malaysia?
Doesn't Malaysia have the ISA to curb the provocation of sensitive
racial issues?  Is the ISA temporarily suspended during the election
campaign period so that there will be more freedom of speech during
the campaigning month?  Or simply the ISA is just a political tool
which can be used handily by the incumbents to gag the opposition?
I really hate to conclude the last is the case.

  Anyway, this is strictly a fact-finding, and if true fact-sharing,
posting, and doesn't mean to smear the reputation of any politician
in particular.
From: lteo_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Leslie Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: What is Productivity?
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:00:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

You're right when you say that economists haven't a clue to what causes
productivity growth albeit there are many (good) theories.

However, you might be interested to know that growth accounting models
(the Solow growth model and its variants) show that growth in Malaysia
and Singapore has been fueled (mostly) by capital investment and labor
growth. In fact, total factor productivity has been negative ie. that is
Malaysia and Singapre are actually overinvesting. These models are
necessarrily crude but they do pose interesting questions. You can get
growth by saving/investment but it extracts a heavy price (less
consumption, etc.)

Alywn Young of MIT recently wrote a paper comparing growth in Singapore
and Hong Kong (a summary of the article was printed in the Economist
about a month ago, I think). He found that unlike Hong Kong, Singapore
since the 60s has had an average total productivity growth that's
negative. That means, while Hong Kong fueled it's growth by increases in
productivity (whatever that means) Singapore did it through forced
savings and government investment. Growth has
been "inefficiently" achieved.

That's my two cents worth...


Leslie Teo
Department of Economics
University of Rochester
lteo_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's Atom PC=M$1600
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:19:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.180819.3619@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>
>	Only in USA.  In M'sia, the price of PCs is still very high, for 386's
>and above.  486's still cost M$12000 and above (the cheapest I saw, list priced
>at M$15000+).  I believe that prices for computers are quite high (due to
>taxes) in UK and Australia too...
>
	Prices have dropped fortunately. One company was offering a
complete 486-SX system and was throwing in an HP deskwriter for around
M$5200. Another company was offering a 486 for around M$4000. These
were ads that I saw from NST's Computertimes.

>
>	*sigh*  Don't talk about that...  My friend is working on an Indigo... 
>something like his personal machine....  *sigh*  Anyone knows of a cheap second
>hand working workstation???

>	Ciao.
>
>-Tai

	One could get a used Sun around decent prices. The only
problem is that they only work well in internet environment. Somebody
was selling a NextStation for around $2800 here in the bay area.

-rezal

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From: zcakilh@ucl.ac.uk (Miss Chee Mei Yeoh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Is freedom a 'Western' value?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:51:03 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

> the Western notion[s] of fundamental human rights cannot
> be transplanted from culture to culture. [Asians] were
> brought up to respect our elders, honour their teachings, guidance
> and to act upon it.

This is one argument which Singapore's government has advanced
in defence of our political culture; it is not persuasive, I
think. It is worth pointing out that for centuries, 'western'
nations were feudal, just as China was. Deference to one's
'betters' was just as much a part of 'western' thought as it
was that of Confucius and his peers. When Thomas Paine wrote
"The Rights of Man" in 1790, defending the French Revolution,
he was found guilty of seditious libel and made an outlaw.
But the industrial and technological revolutions since then
have brought about universal education and political values
have, accordingly, changed. It is worth asking for Singapore
today, not whether we have fundamental human rights for surely
some exist, but which human rights we ought to accept. Looking
back at history cannot provide us with an answer to that question,
although it can help. [and] I firmly believe it can never be an
ideal that men and women should be unthinking. I also believe that
much of Singapore's political culture is rationally defensible,
but the attempt to defend it on historical or cultural grounds does
not succeed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Bosnia (was Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:01:52 GMT

rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>> If people like you were to be given the absolute power, I'm sure you have
>> no restrain to use it to the extent of "ethnic cleansing".

>May I ask whether you believe it right for Muslims to be "ethnically cleansing"
>Bosnia-Hercegovina at this present time.  Do you support the shipment of
>guns to Muslim peoples in that civil war?

I am not sure whether sending guns is good or bad. But for sure sending
health & medical supplies is good, don't you agree ?. Remember hundred 
thousands of Muslims & Croats are freezing to death this winter, just 
because there's no shelter and here we're just talking ...
[What if your parents/sister/brother is one of them. Would you just stand
there ? What would you do ?]

I saw a news last week: a mother has to leave the country (I think
to Germany) and the son is staying in Sarajevo. The mom was crying on the bus
because she may not see her son again [forever]. The son shook his and 
told his mother not to cry... 


-- budi
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Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: isckbk@nuscc.nus.sg (Kiong Beng Kee)
Subject: Re: RE : SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:18:37 GMT

af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
: Seems to
: me like most people in the net defend Singapore with the hopes
: that PM Goh subsribes to this newsgroup too. :(

This is either plain silly, or that such contributors are silly.
-- 
Kiong Beng Kee
Dept of Information Systems and Computer Science
National University of Singapore
Lower Kent Ridge Road, SINGAPORE 0511
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hung@sp92.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gih-Guang Hung)
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:14:57 GMT

af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:


>In a previous article, mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) says:

>>In article <1992Oct14.230951.9018@leland.Stanford.EDU> yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:
>>
>>>I think Singaporeans, more than any other people in the world, has quite a
>>^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>substantial world view.  Compared with countries like the US where literacy
>>

>>Good thing you say you think 8). Isn't it a little conceited here?


>One of my Singaporean friends told me that there was once a survey amongst 
>NUS students on general knowledge etc. There was a question, "Which country
>is north of Singapore?" and one [1] student could not answer it. 

>You might argue that a sample of one [1] is hardly enuf for statistical
>inferences. However, it is enuf to make one wonder.  

This reminds me of the Jeopardy game show I watched the other day.  The
question asks for the nation of the currency $A.  One of the contestant
answered USA !  You make the call :-)

_Gih Guang
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Subject: Testing, please ignore...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:39:11 GMT

Test!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Ng Pek Yong)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Reply-To: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Organization: Kyoto Univ. dept. of Info. Sci. Tsuda Lab.
Distribution: soc.culture.asean
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:32:03 GMT

In article <CLIPPER.92Oct9133749@grace.csd.uwo.ca> clipper@grace.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung) writes:

 |
 |Comical response? I hope you do understand that many people don't
 |consider the accusation that one's country is not democratic a comical
 |matter. In my case, I consider that at least a serious matter.  With
 |or without a sense of humour, it is no humourous reading for them.
 |Just a laughing matter for him, you say?
 |

The accusation that one's country is not democratic may or may NOT be comical,
but to see many of our patriotic Singaporeans fighting vehemently to uphold the
good name and prestige of our proud and mighty nation , THE REPUBLIC OF 
SINGAPORE against "slanderous accusations" made by Westerners like 
Mr.Godfrey (whose aim is probably to disunite and destablize us thru 
propagating feelings of dissatisfaction !??) is personally , a very COMICAL 
event.

Yes, very encouraging indeed , to see that there are so many of us on the
look out for those "insidious thoughts trying to creep into our systems"  
and trying to squash them out of existence before any serious damage can
be done . 

And as I am writing this, feelings of love for my country begins to 
overwhelm me , and pardon me please , but the need to sing praises for
my country is just too great :
LONG LIVE , SINGAPORE !
LONG LIVE , SINGAPORE !
LONG LIVE , SINGAPORE !

# I am a S'porean. I am not one of those Westerners who can
# make accusations and then walk away.
# And try not to accuse me of not understanding S'pore as well.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting)
Subject: Re: kuching anyone
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:33:27 GMT

msc9330@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:

>If there is anyone from Kuching, Sarawas, Malaysia then pleas
>>contact me by mail.

I'm from Kuching! BTW, are there any ex-Josephians on the net? Would love to
hear from you guys (and gals too perhaps? :) ). Pen pals from other schools
are most welcome too...

-- Gabriel Ting (gting@sfu.ca)
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From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Ethnic Harmony
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:40:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

For thoseopposed to ethnic harmony, I would suggest considering
the alternatives. If ethnic seperation or ethnic clensing is more
to your taste, a one way ticket to Johanesburg or Sarjevo should
satisfy your needs.

One World, One People.

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N)
Subject: Re: Email in Bristol University, UK
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:52:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.173250.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>In article <BvqBG3.6FD@mtholyoke.edu>, gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
>
>> I was wondering if anyone knows how I can find
>> out the email address of a friend at Bristol.
>> I tried fingering "bris.ac.uk" and "bristol.ac.uk"
>> These machines are not being recognised... (didnt' 
>> even get a "connection refused" or something like 
>> that)
>
>According to my Site Look-Up, Bristol University has the email
>
>             bris.ac.uk




Well, yes, I do know about that.  Got that from gopher.  I guess 
the reason why I couldn't finger it was cuz it's not really on
the internet.

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