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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: How about owning 2 dogs of different sizes?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:33:05 GMT

> Peggy B
> rown writes:
> So how would a rather large dog like an Airedale and a rather
> small dog like an Australian Terrier get along?  Or would we be
> better off getting 2 Airedales (eventually)?


I have a dobie and until recently I had a pug. Living in an apartment I have
found it much easier to have two dogs with similar exercise requirements,
which these two definitely DID NOT! This means I would always need to go out
twice as often, a long walk for the big dog, as short walk for the little
dog. My dobie and I walk FAST and often for an hour or more at a time. If I
had a YARD I don't think this would have been much of a problem since many
little dogs need very little in the way of actual outdoor exercise and mainly
need to go out for potty breaks. If I DROVE the dogs somewhere for off leash
exercise, having my pug along wasn't a problem, but long on-leash walks were
especially since my pug could not take much exercise in hot weather.

As far as playing goes, the only thing you might be concerned about is
accidental injury to the little dog. My dobie is a marshmellow, but he is big
and clumsy so I taught him to always play with my pug while lying down. This
way he would not be able to accidentaly pounce too hard or put too much
pressure on the little dog's back. It worked very well...basically Monty
would play with Dante's HEAD, which was just about his size :) Also, if I
wanted to play wildly with Dante, I would always make sure Monty was
someplace where he would not be accidentally trampled...even so, it happened
once or twice, once resulted in a dislocated shoulder for my pug :( Three way
tug-of-war was always fun though, with me in the middle to make up for the
difference in strength.

So now I am getting a new puppy and I was very careful to choose a breed that
is more compatable with my dobie. I am not allowed to have another large dog
right now, so I decided on a sturdy medium sized dog with a high activity
level which will be able to keep up with us on walks...a Standard Schnauzer.

I don't know much about Australian Terriers, but I think they are a high
energy breed, so you might be okay there on walking compatibility...just
remember that they get much more exercise on a walk since they have much
shorter legs! If you are concerned about this, there are many medium-sized
terriers that might be a better choice and since the medium sized dogs tend
to be more active overal than the large sized dogs it should tend to ballance
out nicely...at least this is what I'm hoping for in my Dobie/Schnauzer combo
:)
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Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca       Seven weeks 'til my Puppy comes home!
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca   ********************************************
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Corporation, a subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:12:03 GMT

Marla Belzowski writes:
> you will find that almost all those
> in shelters come from "DIS-reputable breeders".

Well, most shelter pets didn't originate from a breeder at all.  Of
those who did, the facts are that breed, breeding, and "reputability"
have proven poor protection.  Purebreds from all sources get abandoned
and euthanized with all the rest.

> (Meaning if you don't care that your puppies end up in shelters
> down the line -- you are a disreputable breeder, in my opinion

I understand and share your concern.  Unfortunately, this definition
simply turns a "reputable" breeder into a "disreputable" one when the
owner behaves a certain way.  And for the dog it makes little
difference what we call the breeder.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
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From: almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman)
Subject: Re: Hitting and Training
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:56:42 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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There was a guy who couldn't house-train his dog.  A friend came by and saw him
cleaning up a mess on the floor and suggested that next time this happens,
"Push his nose in it and toss him out the window; he'll learn!"

Well about 6 months later the friend comes by and again here's this guy
cleaning up a fresh pile!  "Didn't do like I said, did you!?"  "Sure did!  He
still poops on my floor, but now he sticks his nose in it and jumps out the
window!"

--
Bob Alman  1-707-577-4148 almanb@sr.hp.com
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:49:02 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Beagle problems
Comment-To: Smith@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  I wanted to repeat something I just told the Beagle guy-  when you
first get home, release the dog from the crate, but don't pet him or
look directly at him at first.  Tell him to sit.  Praise him when he
does.  He will soon catch onto the fact that he must sit down to
recieve a reward of pats and kind words.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: Hillcrest Community BBS of San Diego..619-291-0544 HST (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:10:13 GMT

In article <31723@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> nlittle@ems.cdc.com writes:
>I looked up information on Disqualification at AKC shows and there is
>a slight difference between Conformation and Obedience.  
>
>AKC has taken a strong stand against aggressive dogs in both Obedience and
>Conformation.  The judge is STRONGLY suggested to disqualify a dog that
>shows aggression towards any person in the ring.  This means that the
>dog is unable to compete in AKC events from then on.  This rule applies to 
>Dog Shows and Tracking Tests.  I'm pretty sure it applies to Hunting Tests
>and Herding tests as well.
>

(rest of article deleted)

This reminded me of a question.  I have heard of people who own
so-called "aggressive" breeds (Rotties, Dobies, Bouviers, etc.) having
problems with judges who apparently over-react when judging their
dogs.  For instance, I know of someone who said their Bouvier was
disqualified at a conformation show because he turned his head back
toward the judge when the judge examined the dog's testicles.
Supposedly, there was no growl, no baring of teeth, just the head
turning back.  I wasn't there, so don't know if that's what really
happened, or if the owner was suffering from selective memory.

I'd be interested in hearing if other persons with these breeds have
had similar problems.  I do remember at one of the last few
Westminster shows, the judge for the Working Group barely even touched
the Rottie - her actions when examining the dog were very different
than when examining other breeds.  I would wonder if she knew
something about that particular dog, or whether she just mistrusted the
breed as a whole.

Just curious about how frequently this occurs.  I do know that people
react very differently to my Rotties than to my Aussie crosses.

Thanks!

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
From: whitaker@cs.unc.edu (Ross Whitaker)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: choke chain opinions
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:16:01 -0500
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
NNTP-Posting-Host: trochlea.cs.unc.edu

In article <1993Jan20.161202.25282@cattnts.canada.ncr.com> sal@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Sal Magnone) writes:
>
>I have discussed this with my breeder and she has spoken to my trainer and the
>consensus is: The choke chain to be used until Mojo obtains his controll (i.e
>no pulling on the lead during walks) then a gratual switch to a nylon collar.
>

It seems to me that as long as the dog pulls, the collar is effective for
corrections.  When the dog stops pulling, and there is no need for
corrections, it doesn't matter whether it's a choke collar or not - 
so why not continue to use it?

I use a pinch collar (pronged).  I shyed away from it at first, because I
read in several books that it was unecessary on most dogs, and should be
used only by professionals.  In obedience class, the instructors strongly
recommended on all but the frailest of dogs, and they let me try one.
I was sold.  It has been one of the most effective training tools that have
used.  I have since read that the pinch collars are designed to reduce the 
chance of damaging the dogs throat.  I.e.  they cause more pain by pinching
the skin, but less potential tissue damage because they don't squeeze.

The issue of hurting the dog is virtually moot at this point, because he
no longer pulls.

Note:  Any training collar is effective as the trainers knowledge - 
so I am told.

	Cheers

	Ross
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:22:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Beagle problems
Comment-To: William_Mark_Ehlers@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Unfortunately, the Beagle is famous for having a mind of it's own. 
It is a daunting task to change a Beagle's mind when it has fixated on
a behavior.
  Let's start with the "Dino" situation, as you might just be able to
get headway on this one right away....  Never take him right out for a
walk the instant you walk in the door.  YOU'RE the DAD, and have the
right to relax after work and not be dictated to by a dog.
Tell the dog to sit.  Don't pet the dog, or look directly at it until
it sits down.  When it does, praise it, but don't get it all worked
up.  If it gets up, tell it to sit, and again, don't touch it or look
at it if butt raises up off the floor.  Repeat as often as necessary.
  On to your dear dog pal's distruction of your worldly goods.  You
are asking too much of this dog to leave your stuff alone when you are
not there to guard it.  We would ALL like to have dogs who would just
relax and behave themselves when we are not hoho, but who does? 
Crates are used by the top professionals in the animal behavior field.
 You had to wait 12 years 'til you daughter could be left home alone. 
Your dog is just a dog.
--- FMail 0.92
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: traine@peaks.fsl.noaa.gov (Tracy Smith)
Subject: Re: Leaking Dogs
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:57:41 GMT

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents to this discussion.  I have a 12 year old
female Heeler/Elkhound mix who has been on DES for six years now.  I was careful
to try & use as little as possible, but it would seem like she had "cycles" where
she'd leak, and then have no problems for a few months.  So, I'd try to just give
her the DES then (but sometimes two pills at a time).  Recently, she has been
diagnosed with mass cell tumors, but I know of numerous dogs with this disease,
so I would be skeptical there was any direct relationship between the DES and the
disease.  However, the treatment for the cancer is steroids, which have
dramatically increased her incontinence problem, so now she sleeps in the kennel
overnight.  The funny thing there is my other dog, a twelve year old male
Elkhound, from the moment I put the kennel up in the house, considers it his
den, and every night I have to lure him out and her into it.  The first night it
was hilarious, with both dogs looking very put out, but now it's part of the
routine & they are adjusted to it.  A sad note is that my male dog was diagnosed
with bone cancer a month after I found out about the female, so now it's a race
to see which one goes first.  But, they have had almost all house and food
restrictions lifted for their final days & are living it up to the max!  And I
try to think about puppies to come.

           

Tracy Lorraine Smith, Mom to Mink (Red Heeler/Elkhound mix)
                             Ernest (Norwegian Elkhound)
                               and Sam (a horse)
From: jennlin@novell.com (Jennifer Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Siberian Husky Puppy Is Aggressive Around Food
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:22:38 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

We have a four month old Siberian female, Chet.  She's a GREAT puppy, with the 
exception of her aggressive tendencies while she is eating.  It is especially  
pronounced when she is given something "extra yummy" as a treat.  She growls
and we immediately pin her to the ground, take away her food, wait until 
she calms down, and then give her back her food.  But, this is a continuing
problem.  Any suggestions would be appreciated on how to curb this behavior.
She does not show other aggressive behavior.

Thanks!
Jenni
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Re: co-ownership-how does it work?
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:50:15 GMT

From article <0fLkQFi00WBOQ5_8lS@andrew.cmu.edu>, by "Joanne M. Karohl" <jk13+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
> Obedience-competitor hopefuls should be aware that if any dog owned *or*
> co-owned by you earns a CD, you are no longer eligible for the Novice A
> class, and similarly for CDX/Open A.  This is true whether *you*
> actually showed the dog or not;  my husband and I have had to consider
> this since we would both like the chance to show in the non-competitive
> classes at some point!  As it is, I "own" our dog, and Randy plans to
> "own" the next dog.
> 
> Joanne

This is definitely true about Novice A.  However, it's not true about
Open A.  Each time you show a new dog in Open, that dog goes into
the A class UNLESS 1)you have OTCHd a dog 2)you are a judge or
a judge is part of your immediate family.  All dogs working for
a CDX, except as noted above, get a chance in the non-competetive
classes.  That dog, once it has earned a CDX, can then be shown in
Open B until it's ready for Utility.  The same holds true for the
A class in Utility.  There is a proposed rule change that dogs who
have titles from other registries (ASCA, UKC, CKC, etc.) must be
shown in the B classes when working for the same title in AKC.  
This makes sense.  So, only one of you on the first dog can 
shown in Novice A, but you can show umpteen dogs in Open A, until
you get an OTCH!

Open B is the most competetive class in obedience.  The hue and
cry from exhibitors would be tremendous is each new dog had
to earn its title in that class!
-- 
   Anne Beck			| The difference between difficult
   abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
   Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
			        | prominent positions in the community.
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David GUtierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Puppy
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:11:32 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

We have a new puppy, too. Anja (pronounced "Anja") is a female German Shepherd
Dog, seven weeks old last Monday.

I have never used the word "piddle" so often in my life.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Subject: westminster Kennel ad
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 03:52:29 GMT


As seen in "New York" Jan 25, 1993.

	117th Annual
	Westminster
	Kennel Club
	Dog Show
	Feb. 8 and 9
	8:30 am - 11:00 pm

The most prestigious
dog show in the world

See over 2,500 Championship
dogs * 145 breeds *

Benching and Judging Schedule:
Monday: Working, Terrier, Non Sporting and Herding Breeds
Tuesday: Sporting, Hound and Toy Breeds.

General Admission :$18.00 (Children 12 and under $10)
Reserved Tickets $30.00. $35.00 for 2 day general admission pass.
Tickets on sale now at the [Madison Square] Garden Box office and
ticketmaster locations.....
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 21:18:17 GMT

In article <C1KoIx.Asw@news.iastate.edu> A1.MHH@isumvs.iastate.edu (Mary Healey) writes:
>
>Used TISSUES!  I should be so lucky!  Sam's inappropriate
>paper-consuming object of puppy-lust is, er, um, ... used (feminine
>products).  He leaves the (easily identifiable) remains in the
>middle of the living room rug.  I also have lots of new jeans and
>underwear (he ate the unmentionables out of the old ones).  Sam's
>done what my mother never managed: I put my dirty clothes in a
>hamper, and regularly empty the wastebaskets!
>
Does this sound familiar!

When my now husband moved to Virginia from Michigan, he brought his
Cocker Spaniel, Chester.  I didn't have a dog; so, of course, didn't 
know the proper place for the trash can.  (It should always go on
top of the toilet.)  They arrived at 3 in the morning, and Chester 
made a beeline for the bathroom.  He came out with used a feminine product
firmly between his teeth and proceeded to parade it around.  That dog,
bless him, taught me a lot!

schalene
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Young babies and animals
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:13:27 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

This is not a flame.....but I just had to respond to someone's posting
that indicated that children younger than 7-8 years old cannot have
respect and love for a dog.  That is as far from the truth as it can
be.

It depends on a child's parents in my opinion.  We were taught to 
love and cherish animals from the day I was born.  My parents had
a dog at that time (I was the first born) and that dog was one of the
very FIRST things I ever noticed....and loved.  We were taught from 
an extremely early age, that dogs were to be loved, and respected, and
taken care of.  And we have all (there are 4 of us) taken that
attitude with us now into adult life.  Admittedly, there are some 
children who just seem to have natural tormenting habits, but most
children, if taught correctly, can love and respect animals of
all sizes from a very early age.  As I have said before, children
and animals should never be left alone together when they are at a 
young age.  BUt they CAN and WILL be able to get along together, 
if BOTH are taught how.......

Suzanne and MIn

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From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Chinooks available
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:24:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.173623.18055@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu writes:
>I'll try to answer some of your Chinook questions. Until last year I had
[....]
>Chinooks have a personality all their own. They prefer to be a lapdog and
>INSIST on being patted. Punishment consists of a nasty look. They are very
>intuitive and just naturally are obedient. They have alot of energy and
>always seem to be smiling. They are very tolerant of pain and are terrific
>with children. On the negative side, they do howl. Mine created quite a
>racket when left out in her pen alone. Eerie sound!

Mine doesn't howl, but he definitly thinks he is a lap dog.
Some dogs can be trained to not steal food by leaving some
crackers with a bit of butter and chilli powder on it on the
counter for them to steal.  Works with most dogs, but chinooks
actually like the hot chilli.
-- 
Rich Greenberg      Work: rmg50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com   310-417-8999
N6LRT               Play: richg@hatch.socal.com       310-649-0238
What?   Me speak for Amdahl?  Surely you jest....
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: What's Happening!!!
Keywords: vocal,chord,extraction
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:05:20 GMT


I used to take my dogs out several times during the night while
the younger one (dog #2) was learning to be housebroken (a very
long process with her...).  Once I was convinced she wouldn't
go inside I ignored any noises during the night (which can
be hard at times), and eventually the 2 dogs learned our 
nightly trips were no more.  It was frustrating for a while
because I didn't sleep well with whining dogs, but they did
learn. 


Jamie

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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Vegie eating pup
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:48:03 GMT

In <8505@lib.tmc.edu> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David GUtierrez) writes:

>In article <1jk7vcINNdf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S.
>Hlabse) writes:
>> I had always been told that dogs will not eat citrus
>>fruits of any kind.

>Wurzi's all-time favorite snack was oranges.

Mine will lick and nibble on lemon rinds.  Makes my face pucker just
to watch her...

--Cindy

--
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