HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: markm@wri.com
Subject: Write to 60 minutes!
Reply-To: markm@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:04:37 GMT



I know alot of people on the net saw the 60 minutes piece on civil forfeiture.   
A very well produced piece, I thought.  It was interesting to finally see the  
gardener from the Pittsburgh Press series who lost his $9000.  I'd be willing  
to bet that this is the first time many people have even *heard* of civil  
forfeiture.

I urge you to write to 60 minutes and commend them on the story.  Tell them  
your views of the forfeiture law.  Tell them why you think the law is bad.   
Perhaps even suggest they do a follow-up story later this year.  It seems we  
have 60 minutes on our side when it comes to getting this law overturned.  We  
need to get the word out about how terrible this law is to everyone who will  
listen.  The address for 60 minutes is:

	60 Minutes
	524 West 57th St.
	New York, NY, 10019

Furthermore, they reported that Congress will be forming a panel to review the  
constitutionality of the civil forfeiture law later this year.  I do not know  
who will be sitting on that panel so I will also be sending letters to all the  
congress-critters from my state.  If enough people complain, perhaps we can do  
something.

Finally, about that poor guy who lost his plane.  They said that he sued the  
government to recover his plane and a jury ruled in his favor.  (yeah!)  But  
the judge in the case

		OVERTURNED THE JURY'S VERDICT!!!!!

What the #&@%!!  Is this legal?  Why even have a jury if the judge can simply  
overturn their verdict?  The guy ended up buying his own plane back from the  
government for $7000.  Of course he had already lost his charter business and  
is now a bankrupt long-haul truck driver; but according to the DEA, just has  
been served.

--Mark Moline
markm@wri.com
Organization: Little, if any.
X-Mac-Bust:   The Best Way To accelerate a Macintoy is at 9.8m/s^2
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 16:26:05 EDT
From: Charles Fee <CXF111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: You All Suck

In article <1992Apr15.151218.3890@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
v116hgth@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Darmody) says:

>Drugs are killing are children!!!!! How can you possibly want them legal?????
>You must be truly sick.

The PDFA seems to have suceeded. A pity.

It is a real shame that stupidity will be the downfall of America.

No, his mind is not for rent.. to any god or government.. Rush
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Quiz Bowl: We are in finals
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:01:08 -0500

	We won our second round game, although a more accurate
description would be that the other team lost.  It was, nonetheless,
a comfortable win.

	The only thing eventfull that happened was on one question.
The question began:

	"The category is science: Alexei Leonov ...

I buzzed in.  I said, Alexei Leonov was a Soviet Cosmonaut and the
first human to walk in space.  There was silence.  The moderator
asked for the judges to rule.  I said, "Soviet Union ... USSR ..."
I was prodding them.  Finally they allowed it but then the moderator
said that Alexei Leonov was the first human to go into space.  I
said, that was wrong -- Leonov took the first space walk and that
Yuri Gagarin was the first person in space, the first to orbit the
earth.  She said that her answer sheet said "first man in space."
I decided that I might as well drop it as we got credit for the
answer but I muttered something like, "Yuri Gagarin was first --
April the 12th, 1961."  After the round I talked to the director
of the Quiz Bowl and she showed me her answer sheet.  Same thing
about Leonov.  I asked her about challenging a question and she
said there was a mechanism for it.

I'm going to take an independent source in tomorrow and show
them that their information is in error.  Either they misread
the book or the book is wrong.  This sort of thing makes me
very uncomfortable.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
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From: rcarter@isis.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter)
Subject: Re: Another rambling thought: Marijuana is an HERB.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:40:54 GMT


amy writes: "What's next, the ivy growing in my kithen window?"

My response; if the p.i.p. (people in power) take it any further
(the foolish `war on drugs' [sic]) the next thing will be DNA or
portions of the human brain; after all that is where the roots of
all this is; within humanity itself; what -is- next? Getting rid
of people themselves before they do themselves any harm?

*sigh* Ron.

--
Ron Carter |   Denver | Center for the Study of Creative Intelligence
  Director | Colorado | "A ... mind stretched by a new idea can never
rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu | go back to its original dimensions."  -Holmes

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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: alt.head?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:53:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Does anybody know the formal procedure for starting an alt.anything?
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
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From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: The State of Justice in the Puget Sound Region
Date: 31 Mar 92 23:43:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Mar31.234324.15036
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Originator: jon@cyclone


In article <machman.701946121@milton>, machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman) writes:
> 
> CRIME OF THE HEART ONLY - Jury acquits couple who held teen
>   drug seller at gunpoint
> 
> by Jack Broom, Seattle Times staff reporter
> 
> Saturday, March 28, 1992 -- Page One, banner article.  
> Reprinted from the Seattle Times without permission.
> 
> 		     -----------------
> 
> An Auburn couple who held a teenage boy at gunpoint because he sold
> drugs to their daughter was acquitted of assault charges yesterday
> by jurors who said they didn't approve of the couple's action, but
> didn't consider it criminal.

I wonder if the 15-year old boy who was abducted by this couple and
the 15-year girl who had a gun pointed at her have any grounds for
a civil suit.  Maybe the ACLU or equivalent could help them with
this?
-- 
<jon@mitre.org>


I think, therefore I am...     DANGEROUS!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Legality question concerning spores
Keywords: mushrooms, spores, legal, legality
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:28:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.184702.13207@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Raymond D. Meredith) writes:
>I take it then that you mean to say there are NO laws against the selling and
>distribution of psilocybin mushroom spores?  I find this very interesting.

No federal laws, as far as I know.  I don't know about state laws.
California probably has a law against it; I've heard we've got one
against Peganum harmala.

>Does the same apply to the sale and distribution of canabis sativa and/or 

Sorry.  From memory, I believe the '70 act talked about "all parts of
Cannabis sativa", and specifically mentioned seeds.  It excluded fiber
and oil, however.  (Who lobbied for this?)  I doubt things have been eased
since then.  Legal beagles with a taste for jail time might wish to try
growing botanist-certified Cannabis indica in the flower garden...

>indica seeds apply?  Finally, WHY has this not been outlawed.  I figure if they
>can take your house/plane/car etc. without charging you with a crime, it would
>be no problem to pass a law enabling law enforcement to put a stop to such

From a "we can get away with it" point of view, they could indeed outlaw the
sale of spores, or whatever else they pleased.  I guess it's just not
considered a major problem.

>Raymond D. Meredith                    - Keeping the world safe for
>rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                gonzo computing.

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu


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From: app45293@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ZUSS)
Subject: Re: Input sought on drug legalization: detection/
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:44:29 GMT


I wrote:
>> So don't the police already have very adequate impairment testing methods,
>> and aren't these already in use?  I'm talking about the stick-your-finger-to
>> your-nose, walk this straight line, stand on one leg, say the alpahabet test.
>> If someone fails this test, they are obviously impaired, and it doesn't matte

alex@yang.earlham.edu (Sperminator) wrote:
>i like the sentiment, but you are wrong; most of these tests only catch 
>the amazingly highly impaired.  I have passed all of these tests while 
>absolutely so blasted that i should not have been driving but i was the 
>only one who was not unconscious 

>New methods of testing impairment are needed.   

   I'll buy that.  Would anyone care to offer an idea of how impairment would
be effectively tested?  I've read about the little video game device, but
I'd think it would be better if the fuzz didn't have to carry along such a 
thing.  
   (I am reminded of Robin Williams saying "The police have a new test to
find out if you've been smoking a little -marijuana-," and he demonstrates by
walking in reeeeeal slow motion)

**************************************************************************
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accidentally was killed? Would it be OK with you if we wrote a reminder of 
things we'll forget to do today otherwise with this green magic marker, if  
it's all right, on the back of your head? --TMBG
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Cannabis smoke
Organization: Harvey Mudd College -- Building A Better Bong
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 11:52:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.195659.10502@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:
>Is there something better that can be used than water, that does filter out the
>carcinogens?

I went down a list of smoke components and picked out the ones that I
thought were most significant, in terms of concentration times potency.
Here's what I picked; those with any knowledge please correct me:
	benzene
	[Me,Et]Me-dinitrosamine
(particulates follow)
	benzoanthracene
	benzopyrene
	1-, 2- methylanthracene

Water probably will not do a good job of removing these; only benzene is
even slightly soluble.  Anybody seen any bong efficacy studies?

I could find no solubility of dinitrosamines, so ignore the nasty things.
What can a few hundred micrograms of something do anyway?  :-)

Benzopyrene is a problem.  It's unpleasant, and the only solvent I found
was concentrated sulfuric acid, which is out of the question.  

1-methylanthracene is soluble in ethanol, but this would complicate the
neat thing:

Benzene, benzoanthracene, and 2-methylanthracene are highly soluble in
acetic acid.  Furthermore, acetic acid fumes can be readily removed by
a cold trap.  This setup might significantly reduce carcinogens.

You might go with some kinda baroque multi-stage chem-engineer bong, but
does anybody have any comments on "tilt pipes" first?  They work?

>-marc
>andersom@spot.colorado.edu

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For????
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:04:18 GMT
  <1992Apr8.223637.16838@yang.earlham.edu>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

To get information about the Libertarian Party, call
800-682-1776, and they will send it to you.


   Alan T. Furman           |       Vote Libertarian--Marrou/Lord in '92
----------------------------+--------------------------------------------
   atfurman@cup.portal.com  |  Stamp out signature viruses!  Pass it on!
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From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,bionet.neuroscience
Subject: Re: Choline and smart drugs
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:52:49 EST
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Apr5.221653.13443@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, aankrom@isis.cs.du.edu (
   Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
>  Someone asked about choline and smart drugs, so I'm posting what I  know
> off the top of my head. I just moved and most of the data I have collected
> about drugs (reams and reams) are somewhere down in my basement. I can't
> remember direct references, but the names of chemicals I give can be found
> in the Merck Index. Most libraries carry this book. (in my data collecting,
> I think I've read throught this book about three or four times. *gasp!*)
> The Merck Index can tell you about LOTS of pharmaceuticals and other
> chemicals. Also it can give you references to other journals for info.
> Unfortuneately, it helps to be a little technical minded to use it
> effectively. (I lost my copy so if anybody would like to donate one... :)
>
>  Choline is a precursor to the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine (ACh).
> In studies on memory drugs that enhance levels of ACh in the brain, were
> shown to enhance short term memory retention. This study was conducted
> using a cholinergic called physostigmine. Physostigmine is toxic and
> can paralyse the heart. Physostigmine acts by inhibiting the enzyme that
> breaks down ACh, acetylcholine esterase. This cause a more ACH to be
> avialable at synapses. This seems to augment the area of the brain that
> is responsible for short term memory. Unforytunately the paripheral
> effects of this drug make it too dangerous for use as a "smart drug".
> It would be interesting to attempt to cretae a more specific drug that
> has little peripheral effect. Ibogaine analogues are promising candidates.
> However, increasing ones intake of choline could make more of it available
> for your body to make more ACh. This could have an effect on memory, but
> not as profound as physostigmine. I might also point out that malathion
> acts in the same way as physostigmine, but much more intensely and
> irreversably. I post more details later. I think I'm forgetting something.
> Oh yes, if you are asthmatic I would use those choline augmenters found
> in health stores with caution, they MIGHT provoke an attack. Also if you
> are prescribed atropine or scopolamine for any reason.
>
        I'd be interested in the original research citations. I wonder if
an inhibitor for physostigmine could be produced that didn't go through
the blood-brain barrier.
        -Allen
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: MDMA alternative?: a rat example
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 02:51:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

There has been mention here about an analog act.  Could anyone elaborate?
Would this neat sounding 3a and 3b be covered?  I mean 3a and 3b don't
sound very analogous to X to me.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
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From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: tongue firmly in cheek
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:39:31 GMT
  <56639@cup.portal.com> <1992Apr4.082826.13283@nntp.hut.fi>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Twenty years ago, David Nolan came up with a way out of the
confusion caused by the conventional left-right dichotomy.  It
was a two-dimensional representation of political views, as opposed
to the one-dimensional left-right axis.  I am about to post an
opinion quiz (the "World's Smallest Political Quiz") based on this
representation.  I would first like to make a few additional points.

                   Personal ^            Anarchism
                   Freedom  | Left      Libert.
                            |   \
                            |    \
                            |     \
                            | C    \
                            |  Fas   Right
                            +--------------> Economic Freedom
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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Paul Hager -- candidate??
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:46:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr17.134648.8867
    <l-1jc5a.rcain@netcom.com> <1992Apr16.204910.13875@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Apr16.204910.13875@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, damico@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (bill d'Amico) writes:
>Indiana law won't allow new candidates to file for our primary May 5.
>After the primary access to the ballot by the demopublicans is limited
>to the county chairpeople filling vacancies. Third party access requires
>a lot of signatures for national offices, and they have to be in by
>circa July 15. Less signatures are required for county/state/local
>offices, but it is still a difficult process getting a third party
>candidate on the ballot here. I know, I got a third party candidate on
>the ballot for mayor last year.

Yes, it's a lot of work to get on the ballot.

But the regulation does not stipulate that the candidate be on the ballot --
only that he be a "legally qualified candidate." 

So, Paul, all you have to do is declare yourself a write-in candidate, and
you can run those commercials.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I think I've lost my -- ummmmm --
                                  Train of thought?
                                                     Yeah!  That's it!
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis,LL2-2B,5439,)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Legal Cocaine? (WAS Re: Drug legalization)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:17:54 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <11045@borg.cs.unc.edu> bell@beethoven.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell) writes:
>they were.  Just because a health problem has a complicated name like
>"acute myocardial infarction"[2] does not mean that it is life-threatening.
...
>[2] Could be life-threatening;  I don't know,  and certainly wouldn't
>    believe Doug if he said it was without documentation.  Anyone know
>    authoritatively?

Oops.  This killed my father.  AKA "heart attack".  If your wife
didn't know this, it's a good thing she's EX-pre-med.

(I generally agree with what your post said, but this particular 
argument has a severe problem.  Carry on.)
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: WARNING ! Hot New Drug of Abuse
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 08:27:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I have done this and it is truly heavy duty.  There is a process called
"rebirthing" wherein you hyperventilate pretty intensely in a hot tub
for one full hour!  It goes way beyond tingly.  Near total paralysis
sets in.  It is very similar to Ketamine.  I remained as lucid for the
most part as I ever am.  There were some moments during the last 15
minutes that got pretty trippy though.  Thoughts became somewhat
disconnected and flowing as with Ketamine.  When done for rebirthing,
it is done several times and leads many people to believe they re-
experience their birth.  The experience seems a common one.  I only
did it once and skipped the next session because I'm a pretty heavy
smoker and the stretching caused me pretty severe lung pain for several
days.  I have another appointment tonight but am hesitant because of
the subsequent discomfort I experienced.  A non-smoker probably would
have no problem.  A 6 or 7 as trips go in my book.  I have absolutely
no idea whether it could be dangerous but it is verrry intense so 
something physiologically powerful is happening.

Afterward I felt very drained and physically exhausted.  Not unlike a
really heavy workout when you are out of shape.  The next day, except
for the lung discomfort, I felt unusually relaxed physically and
emotionally.

Your Intrepid Tripper,

Bob
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
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From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: WARNING ! Hot New Drug of Abuse
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:07:26 -0500

Something of interest to us all ...

A local TV station located in West Palm Beach FL. (WFLX) reported in a
news broadcast just a couple of day ago that there was a new and dangerous
mind-altering substance being abused by the Jr. and Sr. High school students
there. This fearsome substance was ... get this ... AIR ! Apparently, the
practice of hyperventilation is now in vogue. It makes you tingly and
dizzy and, best of all, is FREE. No doubt there are urine tests for air
abuse though which may dampen the current high spirits. No word on whether
the local police have identified any air dealers as of yet - but in Florida,
dealing intoxicants within 1000 feet of a school zone is a mandatory-
sentence felony. 

Naturally, the TV station presented testimony from 'health experts' on
the dangers of air ... alleged cardiac arythmia and blood-chemistry
disturbances. I'm sure it also causes brain damage and flashbacks too.
One thing for sure though ... air has been positively proven to be the
single most addictive intoxicant ever documented and hard-core addicts
have been shown to want a fix as much as 40 times a minute ! So, let's
be thankful that the staff of WFLX has identified this danger to our
youth so early and made the public aware of the practice. 

Next week ... "How to tell whether your child has been breathing - five
early warning signs" ??? 

-- Jim Mason : Standard Disclaimers
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