HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hudson@cs.umass.edu (Rick Hudson)
Subject: Re: Nice in theory, better in practice...
Reply-To: hudson@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:28:34 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 16 Apr 92 00:09:31 GMT, smoak@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Wilson Smoak) said:

Wilson> A good strong brace is equally valuable.

This idea that a good strong brace has some value in getting you out of a
tight spot seems silly. A much better choice is a strong stroke, a good
{forward || backward || sweep} stroke will provide you with more stability
than just sitting there sinking. Strokes will also get you away from
where-you-don't-want-to-be. In addition, for beginners, bracing seems to be
the most dangerous stroke when it comes to shoulder problems. I don't
understand why people teach beginners braces at all. Now if you want to stay
in some place (like that hole on the New River Drys that sucked the nose cap
off my boat) then braces can be quite useful. They are somewhat useless in
getting you out however.
--

                Richard L. Hudson, Research Associate
                University Computing Services
                Lederle Graduate Research Center
                University of Massachusetts
                Amherst, MA  01003
                (413) 545-1220; Hudson@cs.umass.edu
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Power on AC boats
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:13:46 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

The hydraulics are probably hand pumped. Works as a fairly nice way to
amplify human power and deliver it to various places in a precise fashion.

The AC boats certainly have some sort of battery driven electrical system.
I'd imagine it's not much more than a few deep cycle batteries which they
charge offline overnight. While they do have a bunch of stuff on board which
sucks juice, they don't need to run for more than about 6 to 8 hours
max. It wouldn't suprise me if they top them off just before the starting
sequence begins and put a small generator off onto one of the tenders. 

David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. --
From: jpdought@rodan.acs.syr.edu (James P. Doughty)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: WANTED: 10-15 hp motor
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:27:05 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

A friend and I are planning a lake-exploring trip in Ohio later in the month,
but his old 15 has finally died.  He is shopping down in the NY area but I am
in Syracuse, and wanted to know if anyone up here had anything to offer.  He
is willing to spend around $500 for a motor that's worth it.

I want to make clear that I am *not* purchasing this myself, and I cannot
enter into a deal on his behalf.  But if anyone would like his phone number,
please e-mail me with a description of the motor in question. 

- Jim Doughty
  Syracuse University
  jpdought@rodan.acs.syr.edu
  jpdought@sunrise.acs.syr.edu
  (315) 442-6938
From: dft@cypress.com (Don Tuite / MarComm Tech Articles)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Spin Us a Yarn, Please
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:41:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cypress.2075
Distribution: ca
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Originator: dft@marcom0

The _Farnella_, a ship of some 200 feet or more, sits at a dock
in Redwood City.  On her house there is an enormous painting of
the seal of the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey.  (Yes,
yes, I know.  Throw it a fish.)  On her stern is the red ensign. 
Her hailing port is Hull.

Curious.  A British merchantman bears the house colors of a US
government agency, or so it appears.  I'd bet there's a good
story here, and a story, moreover, that I'd further bet Francis
Muir may be in a position to tell.  Sir, can you enlighten us?

don
From: nage@ellis.uchicago.edu (Rufus Nagel)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Wanted: Sailing Oportunity This Summer
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:38:53 GMT
Reply-To: nage@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.2.703280082.nage@ellis.uchicago.edu>

I am a graduating college student at The University of Chicago. I have been
sailing on lake Michigan for the past four years competitively on 470's and
in the last two years on a J-24, Tartan Ten, and J-30(or was it a 33). Before
that I was sailing out of Port Jefferson on Long Island on the Tall Ship
Marilee. This summer I want to do something different before I enter Graduate
School (still at the U. of C.). If anyone in net-land has any information
about an extended sailing cruise, I would be very interested in it. I could
help on a delivery, I've sailed everything from the NY 39 (60 LOA) 110' mast
to a laser. In competitive races, I'm the jib trimmer, occasionally spinnaker
trimmer. I am a physics major and VERY good with electronics, and know
dead-reckoning. I am not a grunt - I am 5' 10" and 145 pounds, but I have a
good eye.  I will fly if necessary. I am also interested in a competitive
event of some kind of Off-Shore racing. I have been in some of the roughest
weather, but have never been caught unprepared yet. (ask any other Michigan
sailor how fast storms come up in Lake Mich.) Please pass my name along to a
friend with a sailboat interested in an interesting summer.
Rufus Nagel (nage@quads.uchicago.edu) (312)643-3860.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: marc@watson.ibm.com (Marc Auslander)
Subject: Re: Stay Adjustment??
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:51:31 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, Hawthorne, New York

The way I do it is.

Use a long steel tape hauled up the main halyard to "center the mast".
Keep adjusting the uppers till the distance from the top to the upper
chain plates on each side is the same.  Take care - I try to get to
getter than 1/8 inch on this step.

Adjust the lowers so the mast is in column - that is is straight.

At this point, everything should be snug.

Now go sailing.  Iterate from tack to tack.  My goals are -

1.  On each tack, the mast should stay in column.  Do this by
tightening or loosening the lowers.  You have to look on one tack,
then adjust on the other when the lower being adjusted is to leward.
Once in a while check that the mast is in column when unloaded.

2.  The leward uppers should not be sloppy.  If they are, tighten both
the same number of turns (in a couple of tacks) until they look ok.  I
don't try to get the leward uppers to stay "tight" - thats for the all
out racers who don't care if their lockers close :-).
--


Marc Auslander       (IBM)<marc@marc.watson.ibm.com>      914 784-6699
                     (Internet)<marc@watson.ibm.com>
From: zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Weather Fax
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:13:20 GMT
Distribution: usa

Any suggestions about inexpensive weatherfax capability?  I am planning to
go offshore (about 3 weeks and rarely more than 150 nm hops) but we want to
practice using the available technology.  I have access to a laptop PC with
thermal printer and a small SSB general coverage receiver.  Although I would
also be interested in inexpensive self contained options...

David Zielke
zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
'Botney Bay'
Cal 35 hull 006
From: dhopkins@pyrman2.pyramid.com (Darrell Hopkins)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: RE: Split Newsgroup
Keywords: split
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:18:41 GMT


I vote NO, the only boat I have does not work, and while I try
to decide which way to go for next purchase, I would rather have
all types, besides I also agree with we need to stick together.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!


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Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to hell,            
       and make them look forward to the trip.                  (author unknown)
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PYRAMID TECHNOLOGY  3860 N. First Street  San Jose, CA             
email: dhopkins@pyrman2.pyramid.com       Dave Hopkins 408-428-8274
*******************All opinions expressed are expressly mine.*******************
From: hazen@open.dal.ca (Dave Hazen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: GPS receivers - prices?
Keywords: GPS, Magellan, Magnavox, Garmin, Apelco, Raytheon...
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:05:42 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Oceanography, Dalhousie Univeristy, Halifax, N.S., Canada

In article <1992Apr8.104253.19068@aber.ac.uk> aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes:
>
>Next: has anyone personal experience of GPS? I've read reviews of the
>equipment, but accounts from people actually using the stuff would be
>interesting.
>
We have been using a Furuno GP500 for about a year.  It is a nice system 
and, aside from some start up problems when the antenna was in the path
of one of the radars, it has worked fine.  It has the advantage of being
able to accept a NMEA signal from a LORAN-C or SATNAV system (or DECCA)
and keep track of the running difference between the two signals.  When
GPS accuracy drops below threshold, it switches to the backup signal,
applying the averaged offsets from the last n minutes until GPS comes
back up.  Neat.

We have also used Magellan and Thrimble hand-held units for small boat
survey work.  Both worked fine but ate a lot of batteries.

All these units have newer, better models on the market.  Sorry no
price info at the moment.

dave



-- 
Dave Hazen                        BitNet: hazen@open.dal.ca
Dept. of Oceanography             Telemail: dalhousie.ocean
Dalhousie University              Voice: (902) 494-3396
Halifax, NS CANADA B3H 4J1        FAX:  (902) 494-3877
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: America's Cup items
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 17:21:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.162937.16314@qualcomm.com> wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:
>....
>Conner was out walking his dog, Buddy, at dawn the other morning .....


Dennis' dog is named "BUDDY"???!!!! The man is a real competitor!

Is there a Cup race today (Friday)? The S.F. Chronicle and Latitude 38 
say yes, N.Y. Times says no. What's the story?
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:48:20 GMT
Subject: Strange and unique job ad
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats

I found this interesting ad in a recent British computer magazine.  

                     SOFTWARE ENGINEER

Responsible for the design, implementation and operation of a Yacht Performance
and Navigation Application.  Candidates will not only posess the necessary
computing skills but will also have an extensive ocean racing experience,
preferably from a previous Whitbread RTW race.

[It gets better!]

If you are a software professional with a minimum of five years experience in
the following: DOS UNIXS, multiuser/tasking application design and programming
, RDBMS and in addition have 15K+ miles ocean racing experience, a technical
knowledge of B+G, GPS, SatCom systems then you should consider this position.

[I call this selective, not to mention optimistic :-) How many people do you
reckon have these qualifications?]

[For all those who have, and to stop floods of people mailing me for the
address the ad continues:]

Please send your CV to Jane Worth, Sutherland Avenue, Bilston Road,
Wolverhampton WV2 2JH.

[This address by the way is about as far as you can get from the sea in
England. ]

Cheers

Brenda

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: preece@sbpexe.enet.dec.com (Ian Preece)
Subject: Re: Stay Adjustment??
Reply-To: preece@sbpexe.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:24:56 GMT


In article <4180031@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, wtjones@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bill
Jones) writes:

>Can someone give me a source or the information on the adjustment of
>mast stays?  I have a '64 Columbia Challenger 24 that needs the spreaders
>replaced (wood).  I will need to adjust/tune the stays. Thanks
>


Stay tuning is largely a matter of personal preference, and a bit of 
trial-and-error, but a good investment would be a tension gauge.  
If your present setup works for you, measure the tensions before you take
the stays off, then set them up the same way when you put them back on.

Your boat's manufacturer, or a good rigging company, will supply details 
of "recommended" tensions, which will give you a starting point, but you 
need to be prepared to spend quite a lot of time fooling around after that, 
to make sure you have the right combination of stiffness and bend for *your* 
kind of sailing.

A clue:  If none of the locker doors shut properly, you've got the stays
too tight.  ( It's happened, don't laugh!)


Ian
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       "I wouldn't *work* for a company that held opinions like mine."      

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From: Margot.Peter@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Margot Peter)
Sender: UUCP@ship.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Foul-weather gear recomme
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 21:24:00 -0800

Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Mar23.144110.29563@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>,
whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard) writes:

>You can send responses to me by e-mail and I'll summarize. Thanks.
>-Will Howard
>whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu

Thanks, Will. I was about to post this same question, so please summarize.
My
foulies were ripped to shreds in a scramble off Monterey and I'd really like
to
know how much punishment they are expected to take. I mean, if you pay
beaucoup
bucks, are you just going to rip them to shreds anyway? I think the cloth
tape
band-aid on the "sit-down" of my present pair might just set a new fashion
trend, however.


Margot                 "I had to sink my yacht to make the guests go home."
                                      F. Scott Fitzgerald




 * TNet 2.2 = S2S VCR
From: rlm@sei.cmu.edu (Richard L. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:45:18 GMT
 <1992Apr10.191437.28432@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <SMITTIE.92Apr10124107@tui.csulb.edu> <kuc643INNr4m@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

Perhaps this thread should be re-named "Navy trashing..."

I do know that the Navy has taken positive action to control and eliminate 
trash dumping at sea, and that includes sewage and other liquids, also.

The comments about this have sounded a lot like the presidential 
campaign...opinions based on emotions and not on facts.   

Dick Murphy
rlm@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute  
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
"Standard disclaimer goes here..."
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:57:35 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
>ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
>carrying in excess of 4000 people.

Wait a minute!  They got all that stuff on the vessel to start with.
So you're telling me that now that the stuff is no longer wanted
there isn't room to keep it?  That's a bunch of male bovine feces.

-rickf
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: Cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark T. Evert)
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Organization: Loral Space Information Systems
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:41:34 GMT

In article <702459928.F00001@ship.UUCP> 
Geno.Dellamattia@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Geno Dellamattia) writes:
> HBS>Then what do you do with the old gas?  I have about 8 gallons of old
> 
> Leave it in the open and it will evaporate.  You should do the same with
> solvents and other light petroleum products.

Not an enviromentally good idea as it releases hydrocarbons into the 
atmosphere.  I would put it in your car a few gallons at a time along with 
a full tank of fresh gas.  I doubt it would have any adverse affect 
provided it was clean.

Mark T. Evert

Cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov
(713) 282-5525
From: Slapshot@cup.portal.com (Robert S Judy)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Banshee Sailers in BA Wanted
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 02:00:00 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

  I am looking for people who own Banshee Sailboats to start a club or race.
I am very inexperienced by I am willing to learn from or with someone.  If you
live in the bay area and would like to get together, leave me a E-Mail.
   Keep you Ballast Down!
           SlapShot
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dave@rsd.dl.nec.com (Dave Rogers)
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Development, Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:39:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.165431.3264@linus.mitre.org>, petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr3.213601.16700@a.cs.okstate.edu>, hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:
|> > 
|> > 
|> > >> Would it be best to siphon the tank and start with fresh gas??
|> > >
|> > >Yes.
|> > 
|> > Then what do you do with the old gas?  I have about 8 gallons of old

I use it in my lawn mower. Works great.

===============================================================================
Dave Rogers                    				        Morgan 30/2 #60
M & R Software, Inc					        USYRU 37296
Internet:   dave@rsd.dl.nec.com
On contract to: NEC America, Radio Software Dept

Don't take life too seriously; you're not going to get out of it alive anyway.
From: krezel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bob Krezel)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Let's split rec.boats
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:25:38 GMT
Reply-To: krezel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bob Krezel)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Let's _NOT_ split rec boats.  I'm a sailboater, but I like the ideas
of both sides to be heard.



      Bob Krezel                                    krezel@oasys.dt.navy.mil
	 Badges?  We don't need no steenking Badges!! [Blazing Saddles]
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: radar
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:25:01 GMT

In article <8867@alvin.mcnc.org>, jstand@mcnc.org (John K. Standish) writes:
> 
> Very often I find myself navigating at night offshore in the `graveyard
> of the Atlantic', sometimes on purpose but usually the weather drives me
> back to port, with only my Loran/Compass, and extremely limited vision
> spotting the lighted buoys.  The cure is obvious, I need RADAR, and 
> with a 30 ft boat I really don't need a 4-5 Kw open array Furuno.
> 
> I would like to know if anyone has experience with the less expensive
> dome style Apelco or Raytheon (< $2000.00)) with 16 - 24 mile range.
> 
> My biggest concern is the ability to navigate a channel at night and 
> discernabilty of objects (buoys, oncoming vessels, ect) and effect of
> clarity by rain.   

I have a Raytheon R-10, which is typical of the lower-priced, raster-scan radars.
I've used it many times in thi ck, pea-soup fog in Maine, and have found it to 
be a wonderful source of peace-of-mind.  It takes some experience to learn to
interpret the display, so I highly recommend several hours' practise on an
clear day.  You can't tell boats from buoys, so you must have enough
knowledge of where you are to tell which reflections are buoys.  It's
quite effective in rain; however, real thunderstorm-type downpours can
create so much rain clutter as to make it unusable.  However these only last
a short time (usually).  Range is limited to line of sight, so that, 
regardless of the *quoted* range, don't expect to pick up anything beyond
about 6 miles or so.  The range to the horizon, in statute miles, can be reliably
 calculated as the square root of two times the antenna height in feet, above
the water.  So for instance, an antenna height of 18 feet will give you a 
maximum range of 6 statute miles, or a little over 5 nautical miles. Beyond this point,
higher transmitter power is useless. (The same applies to VHF radios, by
the way).
Good Luck.
-Pete
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:36:18 GMT
Organization: The Treefort
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <616@tekcae.cax.tek.com> paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) writes:

>But, if you really want to just be rid of it then try the
>yellow pages under Waste Disposal.  As a test I just tried
>it.  I called the first of seven entries.  They said "No,
>we don't do that, call these guys".  So I called those
>other guys and they said sure, no problem, no charge,
>drop it by.

Good idea!  And for those of you who were contemplating dumping the stuff, I
picked up a flyer with the following quotes today while I was having my oil
changed:

  "The amount of oil dumped by the Exxon Valdez is spilled every two weeks
   by do-it-yourself auto mechanics who change their own oil, then pour the
   used oil down the sewer.  That is roughly 240 million gallons a year, or
   enough fuel to heat every home in Portland, Oregon."

                                           - American Pertoleum Institute -

  "The amount of oil that is contained in the drain pan of your vehicle,
   disposed of improperly, can contaminate up to one million gallons of
   drinking water.  This is enough fresh water for 48 families for one
   year."

                                           - Oil Changers -

Dudley
The Treefort
Redwood City, CA
.
From: wtjones@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bill Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: mail order
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:16:02 GMT
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA

I recommend the newest catalog from West Marine.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Subject: Re: America's Cup results for April 5, 1992
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:28:36 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Bill's comment about the uncabled hinterlands, amazingly enough, means
Manhattan, NYC, which is not completely cabled... But I was up at my
in Sunday, so I got to see the ESPN coverage for the first time...

In <1992Apr6.172721.3988@qualcomm.com> wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:

>The Japanese crew jettisoned the [broken boom] and continued on, 
>[lashing] the trailing corner of the mainsail to the deck with a series 
>of lines and blocks that proved remarkably efficient.  Nippon not only 
>finished the race, it gained a little ground on the first run and the last 
>two reaches,

This was just astounding. What a display of seamanship! Give those
boys a merit badge! The sail shape - even on the runs - was excellent.

>[Cayard said 
>one of Il Moro's crew questioned the legality of Nippon jettisoning their 
>boom and wondered if they should protest.

I wondered about that, too.

>  Cayard said he responded that 
>"if we couldn't beat Nippon without a boom, we didn't deserve to be in the 
>finals."

My kind of sailor!

>A^3 needed the victory to keep alive Koch's dream of an 
>all-America^3 defense final.  And America^3 had the Melges-Worthing 
>combination...and won in the other boat's favored conditions.  Makes one 
>wonder if it makes Dennis Conner wonder what is going on.

I don't have my rulebook handy - would it be a violation of the K let
A^3 win? Or do the match racing or team racing exceptions? BTW, the
recent appeal on sailing back through the fleet to block another boat
was a situation at the 1989 Sonar NA's. Though the boat that tried the
block won the protest, they lost the war: the boat they were trying to
block managed to sail around them and finish _way_ ahead.

spencer  spencer@panix.com
Sonar 404|Laser ???|Gem 21