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From: mdunn@reed.edu (Marvin Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: sail-handling question
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:39:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep28.193943.16529
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Sep28.014623.23621@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>So here's my question: suppose you have only two people, and want to handle 
>a spinnaker. How do you do it? I've got self-tailing winches in easy reach of
>the helmsperson, so the person at the helm can perhaps handle the sheet or the
>guy, but handling both is a bit much. 
>   Specifics: 
>(1) Would you recommend rigging the jibe preventer on the main? 
>(2) Who should handle the sheet and who should handle the guy? 
>(3) During hoisting, the helmsperson can only really deal with one of the two
>controls. Which is more important to get right first, sheet or guy?
>(4) My pole has a bridle for the pole-lift, but no bridle for a foreguy or
>any attachment on deck for it. Any suggestions about where I might rig the
>attachment point? 
>

You can fly a spinnaker with one person! I had a great five hour run under
spinnaker yesterday from St. Helens to Portland. Light air, probably 
never above 10 knots. San Juan 24.   A larger boat might be more of a
challenge.
Here how I do it.
	First of all I don't even use the main.  One less thing to deal
with. Second, you rig the pole with topping lift and downhaul/foreguy (both
are lead back to the cabin top on the port side with the spinnaker halyard),
set the guy first, and hoist. I stand with the tiller between my legs to
steer, with one hand playing the sheet, one on the guy.  You can also
cleat off the guy and the sheet to sit down and steer.  Third, to gibe 
I tie off the tiller, put a little slack in the guy, release the downhaul, 
run forward and gibe, return to the cockpit, and readjust the sheet and
guy and reset the downhaul. The attachment for the foreguy/downhaul should
be on the foredeck just in front of the babystay (assuming you have one).
It can be off to the side you run the line back to the cabin top with.

	-Marv
-- 
Marv Dunn
Computer User Services                      mdunn@reed.edu
Reed College                                tektronix!reed!mdunn
Portland, OR 97202			    San Juan 24 "Hocus Pocus"
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:57:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson) writes:

>    I've only been reading rec.boats for a short time - how often
>    does this newsgroup degenerate into stupid flame wars?

Not often, and it seems to be working its way out of this one--albeit
with some soul-searching.

>    And are they always power versus sail?

They seem to have a tendency to be.  Occaisionally racing v. cruising.
In general people here tend to be a pretty mild lot compared with,
say, rec.motorcycles.  But now and again someone says something
unfortunate and someone else takes it personally and out come the
flame throwers/asbestos suits, etc.  Then someone manages to pour a
little (non-flammable) oil on the waters and things calm down.

Brian (hang in there) Smith
From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: FCC Requirements when buying a boat
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:13:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.6140074
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

>> 
>> license.  Do I need to submit a new form 502 or do I just have them update
>> the information for myself since it is a station license?  I also would like
>> to know what the purpose of the radiotelephone license is.  Is it required,
>> or does it grant certain privelages?
>> 
>> We're looking forward to joining the ranks of those afloat in the SF Bay!!
>> 
>> Thanks as always.
>> 
>> Mike Fallavollita [fallavol@corvus.arc.nasa.gov]
>> ----------



      Whenever the boat changes owners, the station license must be renewed.

The license is required if you are going to transmit with a VHF radio.
Don't use it without a license unless you want to chance a fine of 
thousands of dollars. One nice thing about the application is that you
get a temporary permission as soon as you send it, so you don't have to wait.

I'm not sure exactly what its purpose is, except that anything associated
with government regulations is going to cost you money. Licensing is a good 
way to raise money for a specific purpose.


            Thatch Harvey



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From: mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: looking for a formula for computing tides.
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:59:19 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

I finally came to the last month on my calendar and now I can't find one to
replace it that has the tides as well as moon phases and sun/moon rise/set
times.

Does anyone have an algorithm for computing these? 

Also I remember seeing a clock that didn't keep track of the hours but kept
track of the tides. If anyone either has these items or knows where I might
find them please drop me a line.

-mike
                
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:50:49 GMT

Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> Since I can't think of ANYTHING that shows two whites over red, I would
> look for alternatives, like a large (over 150 ft) boat showing fore and
> after steaming lights coming head on with a dead starboard running light
> [...] So what was it really?

	I'm glad somebody was at least thinking along the right lines; white
over white over red doesn't look like anything in COLREGS, so it must be
something not in COLREGS.  In this case, it turned out to be a sailboat with
no sails up, under motor, coming almost dead at me.  The low-down red light
was the port bow light, and the middle white light was the steaming
("masthead") light.  So what was the upper white light?  The anchor light at
the top of the mast, of course!  Sure it's not legal, but lots of sailboats
seem to run with their anchor light on, presumably on the theory of "the
more lights we have on, the better".  It's a common enough violation around
here that I've learned to expect it.

	Personally, when I'm sailing at night, I have my windex light on.
It's a pretty dim light, just bright enough to illuminate the reflective
under-surfaces of my windex so I can see it.  I've never seen my boat from
afar at night, but I wonder just how visible (and hence, confusing) it is to
other boats.
From: ballard@alc.com (Carl Ballard)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:53:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: alc.1992Oct5.185313.936
Reply-To: Catalina 30
Distribution: na
Organization: Ascent Logic Corporation


>
>	- Very roomy, comfortable interior.
>	- Good sailing ability. Fast.
>	- Reasonable appearance.
>	- Solid construction: NO BALSA CORE (I believe) *
>	- Excellent owners' association and supply of information
>          and parts.
>	- Slow depreciation. (Gotta think of kids' tuition...).
>	- High boom with mid-sheeting: safe for kids. Clear cockpit.
>	- Adequately wide decks.
>			_______________
>
>I don't like:
>
>	- Rather thin bulkhead, modest chainplates.
>	- Lack of original ventilators.
>						________________
>
>* I would be interested to hear comments about the deck construction, which
>  I have been told (by the local dealer ...) contains no balsa core

I own an 1986 Catalina 30.  It's no perfect boat, but it's a great value.

The C-30's of the vintage you are tolking about have insufficient chainplates. 
Newer chainplates are available from the factory and upgrade is strongly
recommended.  Since those years, the bulkheads have been strengthened
(particularly the starboard bulkhead).  Just be sure that the bolts are tight
and look for evidence that they have beeen "working."  General opinion among
C-30 owners seems to run that upgrading the bulkheads is unnecessary unless you
plan ocean pasages.

I have drilled through my deck and inspection of the plug revealed a
*substantial* wooden core - so much for that issue.  I know of no feature in
the boat that would cause me special concern in looking at a used boat, other
than those which apply to all boats.  Since the mast is stepped on a deck
fitting, I would certainly look for compression beneath the step.  I would also
check for rot of the Samson post ( I would not realy expect to find this unless
there is other evidence of a poorly maintained boat).  Also look for the
condition of the foredecck hatch and curved traveller since these are very
difficult to replace.

Newer models of the C-30 have three 10x10 Bomar hatches for ventilation.  They
were sorely needed.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:41:15 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Sep30.164350.13191@news.eng.convex.com> henry@convex.com (Lee Henry) writes:

>In article <16872A472.STU@mwvm.mitre.org> STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>> stuff deleted
>> 
>>You have given me cause to think again about the sails - thank you.  /Stu

The sails are anyway quite reliable, if you know how to use them.

>I'll second that.  Why didn't some one bring this up about 2 weeks ago
>before my motor stalled in the marina while I was 100 yards away from my
>slip.  My genoa was furled and the mainsail cover was on.

The only reason in my book speaking for the roller sail is the fast
availability in the case of emergence.

>By the way how do you slow down when you have to sail down wind into
>your slip and you have a pretty good breeze pushing you along?  My slip
>is just about even with the end of the gas dock so I don't think I could
>use my anchor to back myself into the slip due to the traffic.

>Lee Henry
>henry@convex.com

When I still had a boat without engine, I felt that the find coming from the
side is the most difficult. If you have to dock without the engine and the
wind is corming more or less straight from your back, you can slow your boat 
by making a tight 360 degrees turn just before you enter your place. The
360 turn will slow you to a almost dead stop, if done very quickly, but the
wind will push you in. If you do it nearly enough you do not have time to
accelerate to an unmanageable speed. You have to watch out, that you have 
enough speed for the whole 360 degrees.

Practice it for some times in open water to get confidence in your manouver.


- Lauri Tarkkonen
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:02:28 GMT

Tom O'Toole writes:

	One thing you can do with the main up is push the boom out hard, 
	which works pretty well as a brake. Obviously this would not be 
	advised if the slip was DW.

Some boats like my Freedom 21 sail backwards quite well. So, sailing back
into the slip and then quickly sheeting in will brake the boat very fast.
Basically, sheeting in creates forward thrust.

							

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: hchan@well.sf.ca.us (Hoover Chan)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:23:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.101237.9937@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.164350.13191@news.eng.convex.com> henry@convex.com (Lee Henry) writes:
>
>>By the way how do you slow down when you have to sail down wind into
>>your slip and you have a pretty good breeze pushing you along?  My slip
>>is just about even with the end of the gas dock so I don't think I could
>>use my anchor to back myself into the slip due to the traffic.
>
>Someone else suggested doing a quick 360, which is a nifty idea. I've gotta
>try that (in open water) sometime to see how well it works...
>
>You *might* be able to secure a line to the fuel dock and just ease yourself
>back on the line; once you're in your slip, then walk around to the fuel dock
>and cast off the line and recover it aboard. You could also try swamping
>your dinghy....but that would probably alter your boat's steerability a good
>deal :(.
>
>-John
>
>
>

re: quick 360

That works great if there's enough room. Where I keep my boat (San Francisco
Marina), I wouldn't want to try doing a 360 for anything larger than 25 feet.

On small boats (less than 25 ft), I've had good success with dropping the 
sails and drifting into the slip with an occasional assist from pumping
the tiller. 

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------
Hoover Chan - hchan@well.sf.ca.us
              {apple,ucbvax,pacbell,hplabs}!well!hchan
              hchan%well.sf.ca.us@cunyvm.bitnet
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Keywords: Sails, mufflers, wetsuits, whipped cream, fire trucks...
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:12:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine

bbatchel@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Ben Batchelder) writes:
> Should one person have the right to pollute the surrounding envrionment
> for 50 square miles. (area of a circle pi * r squared).  That's a pretty
> big area.  Think about it.

	I think that sums up the basic difference between sailboats and
powerboats.  A powerboat is much more invasive of its environment; it
generates noise and wake which are heard/felt a considerable distance from
the source, dumps smoke into the air, and sometimes oil into the water.  A
sailboat's impact on its environment is largely the space it occupies.
Granted, a sailboat generates a "wind shadow", but that's usually only of
concern to other sailboats (in fact, in sailboat racing, wind shadows can be
a tactical weapon).
From: bbatchel@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Ben Batchelder)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Keywords: Sails, mufflers, wetsuits, whipped cream, fire trucks...
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:34:46 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

<28SEP199208550339@erich.triumf.ca> <1992Sep28.171103.11801@cs.brown.edu>

Reference sailing into a slip.  John this is one time I disagree with you. 
There is a Capri 22 on a dock ajacent to mine that I've watched sail into his
slip many times.  He has always done a good job *UNTIL* a couple of weeks ago
when he misjudged the wind.  He got too slow just as a shift hit.  He managed
to hit 3 boats before people ran to protect their boats and help him off.

I think its fine to sail your boat to the slip or mooring so you'll know how
should it become necessary some fine day when the iron jib dies.  *BUT*, for
safety of all, why not start the engine and let it idle in neutral.  Nothing
wrong with an insurance policy, is there?  Of course there are sailors who
won't do this because of pride.  The want everyone to know they can do it
without an engine and if it were running, who would know (except them) that
they were 'sailing' to the dock.

Just my opinion.  
-- 

==============================================================================
Benjamin F. Batchelder                 |  "Risk is a reality of life,
Performance Sailcraft 31 "RESTLESS"    |   a condition of existance"
bbatchel@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM      |                 Jerry B. Harvey
                                       |
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:47:13 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Astroworld weekdays?
Summary: Looking for info on Astroworld's dates!
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: Astroworld dates company trip


I know this is a *really* slim chance, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

Is Astroworld still open weekdays?  If so, will they be open any days in
Oct. 19-22, inclusive?

You see, I'm going to the ISA (Instrument Society of America)
Convention, which happens to be in Houston this year.  And I just happen
to be staying in the Raddisson, which just happens to be by the
Astrodome, which just happens to be by Astroworld, which I just happen
to have never been to, and which I just happen to have an interest in
going to[1]. ;^)

(I also get to lay over in Dallas on the way down, but not long enough
to do anything *constructive*, like check out the sights and sounds of
Arlington. ;^( )

Now, since Houston's so far south, I figured they might be open a little
later than parks located in *real* climates with *real* winters. ;^)
Does anybody have any info?

Muchas merci!  (Or is that ``Gracias beaucoup?''  I always get confused!)

Geoff ``Convention's in Chicago next year.  Hmm......'' Allen

[1]. I mean, the way everyone *raves* about those Morgan ``Coffin
     Cars'' on the Texas Cyclone, I'm obviously missing out, and need to
     see what all the excitement is all about! [If there ever was a time
     I'd succomb to the popular use of the ``NOT!'' this would be it. 
     But I'll remain true to my convictions and resist. ;^) ]

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  [If it weren't for kids,] we'd all live in a
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  quiet house, without Big Bird or Mickey Mouse,
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \  or Kool-Aid on the couch.  Thank God for kids.
                        \             -- The Oak Ridge Boys
From: tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tracy Aulfinger)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Buck, the committed
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:25:32 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


or is that "should be"

Sorry Buck, you left yourself wide open.

See ya' at the Phunfest.

Trace
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Lakemont Park/Rescue 911
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:04:53 GMT

Geoff-a-Whirl writes:

>[BTW, Buck, your coaster census lists the Skyliner as 'S'; you probably
> want to change that. ;^) ]

YIKES!  So it does!!  Sorry about that!

Lakemont Park           Altoona, PA
o Toboggan              S               Chance
o Leap the Dips         W Figure 8      Sink                    1902/1993
o Skyliner              W Out-and-Back  Allen/PTC               1987


>The incident being depicted involved an operator on the kiddie coaster
>there.  There was some on-ride footage of a girl riding the coaster in
>the front seat.

Thanks Geoff ... saw previews for this, and wanted to watch,
but spaced it out.  I thought it was going to be something
GOOD.
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Subject: Re: ACE Membership
Summary: My reason for the signature on ACE application form.
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:34:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.154610.5468@walter.bellcore.com> cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com writes:
>I'm planning on giving an ACE membership as a wedding gift (what else do you
>give to the couple who has everything?!?!?).  This morning I was merrily
>filling out the application form in their name, until I got to the signature
>line.  Do *they* have to sign it?  Can I send it in with my signature and their
>name?  Should I just sign their names?  Why does ACE want a signature?

Well, Cheri, what a nice gift! I'll make sure to put you on my invitation list
for whatever, with you giving such nice gifts! But I digress...
I think that the reason why ACE wants a signature is to confirm whether or not
the signee(s) want their name, address and phone number published in the ACE
official directory each year.

If Tracy or Gary Aulfinger are reading any of this, could you confirm/deny
any of this? Also, could you post a contact to handle questions like this?
Thanks to Cheri for asking, and to Tracy and Gary for their help in advance.

Tom "I'm almost done my thesis" Maglione
From: rcurrier@Sun.COM (Ron Currier - Sun BOS)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Stupid rumors
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:03:57 GMT
Reply-To: rcurrier@Sun.COM (Ron Currier - Sun BOS)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Boston Development Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: mycroft.east.sun.com

For those of you who don't read the gossip page in their TV magazine
(not that I normally do, but it was one of those Sundays)...

-----------

  Reprinted without permission from the Lawrence Mass Eagle-Tribune
  TV Update

  ASK MICHELE

  I recently heard that the adorable little girl who plays Stephanie
  on "Full House" was killed on a Batman ride at a Six Flags
  Amusement park. Is it true? If so, how has her death affected 
  the show?  -- LYNN TAUSCHEK, MILWAUKEE

	[Picture of Mary Kate Olsen and Jodi Sweetin]

  Every year a new, ugly rumor crops up that has absolutely no
  substance. In the case of actress Jodie Sweetin, I can assure
  that she is well and looking forward to a new season on
  "Full House"

------------

What I want to know is 1) Why didn't they show us a picture of
Batman, The Ride instead of some stupid kids :-), 2) how do
these rumors get started, and 3) how long will this rumor last?
(take a peek at alt.disney to see how these things can get out
of control).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ron Currier  Sun - BOS               rcurrier@suneast.East.Sun.COM  508/671-0417
             Pentucket Software      ..uunet!wang!penware!currier   508/373-7815
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From: cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
Subject: Re: driving distances
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:07:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.143145.20111@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
writes:
>buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
>>What about Fiesta Texas ... it's really only a Hop,
>>Skip, and a Jump from Houston!!  I did both parks
>>EASILEY in one day!!  
>
>
>DARN NEW ENGLANDERS!!       ;-)
>
>
>I have a friend in New Jersey who talks about Cedar Point (in Ohio) as
>if it were in his BACK YARD!!  He think NOTHING of driving there for
>a weekend *day* trip.
>
In defense, I too live in New Jersey (which isn't actually part of New
England, but that's another issue), and I don't consider Cedar Point a day trip
away.  But then, I figure if I'm going out there, I'm going to spend some time
and hit as many coasters in the area (Pennsylvania/Ohio) as I can!!

>It is a long 3.5 hour drive from Houston to San Antonio. 
>
But how far is it from Houston to Dallas?  I'm planning on going to Astroworld
the weekend before TGIII, spending a couple of days there being a tourist, then
going to Dallas for a couple days before the conference.
>
>
>Rendell The Cantankerous  (who will be driving to Arkansas next weekend, but
>                           doesn't even PRETEND like it's around the corner!)
>
-- Cheri (who actually doesn't like driving much at all, but considers it a
necessary prerequisite for roller coaster riding!)