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From: mattf@cac.washington.edu (Matthew Freedman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Negative slope stem on Cannondale
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:03:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep30.170349.2971
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.W. Information Systems

In article <1992Sep29.194852.491@seas.gwu.edu>, hahn@seas.gwu.edu (James K. Hahn) writes:
> I just purchased a Cannondale 14" V - frame M500 MTB.
> With the handlebar all the way down, it still is a few inches
> higher than the seat. I was wondering if anyone made a negative
> slope stem to lower the bars even further.

I believe the stems on the V-frames are designed to be turn-upside-down-able,
to give you a negative slope.

   -- Matt

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From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Comments on "Performance Bars" ?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:54:43 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Department of Nuclear Engineering
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu

Concerning Performance, Snickers, etc. bars, the price is what kills me.
Why not go to Price Club, or Costco and buy Kellogg's breakfast bars
with fruit, fibre, sugar, and vitamins for around the same or less than
a Snickers bar, and a lot less fat.  It tastes a lot better than a Power
Bar or Fin Halsa.  I wouldn't know about the Performance Bar, and at
that price, I don't really care that much.  I recall the ingredients on
the label were similar to a serving of fruit and cereal, only slightly
more fat, around 3 grams or something. Anyone out there able to confirm that?

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               Friday Nights.  Cafe Jun.  University Avenue.  Berkeley.
               Across from UC Theatre.  English, Japanese, and Korean Songs.
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From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: MB-0 & MB-1 : cracks in frame
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:

>I've heard many stories about Bridgestone's with frame cracks or head
>tube separation, but I've got a sneaking suspicion that these stories
>were started by gonzo, break-any-frame-kinda-guy, off-road riders,...
						   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These are off-road bikes, right?  If the stories were started by off-road
riders as opposed to "look I've got a cool $1000 MTB but I don't want
to get it dirty and it's as good as any road bike for centuries" phred
posers, then I might give them some credibility.

The MB-0 and MB-1 are excellent bikes but for their intended use, off-road
riding and racing, they are probably not recommended for riders of much
over about 160 lbs.  Probably even Tom Ritchey (designer of the tubeset)
would likely agree that the tubes are a little light for riders of extreme
size, and you don't have to be very big to be extremely large for a
cyclist.

Most custom bikes are designed to have minimal weight with adequate
strength for the rider it was built for.  A high-end light weight steel
bike designed for the average rider is not likely to be strong enough
for every rider.  Some failures are to be expected by those who make
an inapropriate purchase.

I wish I was light enough (and had enough money) to ride an MB-0.

David Mackintosh
From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Specialized Speedzone Computer
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:38:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep30.163851.6940
Distribution: usa
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA

Thinking of buying a Specialized Speedzone cycling computer?  As
far as I can tell, it's identical to the Cateye Mity II, except
it does have nicer buttons.  The colors are different as well.

The Cateye Mity II costs $29.95 from Nashbar, the Speedzone costs
$39.95.  How much are *you* willing to pay for the Specialized
brand name? :)

Also...I was under the impression that the Speedzone does not have
average speed, but the Nashbar catalog says it does.  Anyone know
for sure?

Final note: The Nashbar outlet store in Needham, MA was selling
remanufactured Speedzone computers for a very low price, something
like $14.95, last week.  There may still be some left.  ...Joakim

--
Joakim Karlsson            | aviator@athena.mit.edu
Flying Fanatic in Training | Air: PP-ASEL  CAP: Freedom 110 Mobile  FCC: N1JHW
                 "Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
                And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: jch2564@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: post
Reply-To: jch2564@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:27:32 GMT

I was wondering if anybody could supply me with the address to Araya, makers
of carbon fiber rims.  Do they have a distributor in the US? Does anybody
else make CF rims?
Thanx
Jeff                                           JCH2564@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
From: limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: MB-0 & MB-1 : cracks in frame
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:32:44 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.213259.14694@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <r=lzczg@rpi.edu> dinsmm@rs6113.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael Dinsmore) writes:
>>
>>With the reputation of Bridgestone, if you have a crack in the frame, I am 
>>sure that they will be more than willing to fix it for you or find some
>>solution that both parties can agree to.  I am also aware that you can't
>>beleive about half of the stories people tell here and most are just
>>plain rumors....
>
>In my experiences with Bridgestone, it is very unlikely that there have
>been MB-1 failures and pretty unlikely to have been MB-0 failures even
>thoughg I think these frames were too light.
>
>In any case, Bridgestone would stand completely behind them.
>
>

It's just a matter of what "standing completely behind them" means.  My most
regular riding parter (save the "this-is-a-second-hand-account-so-it-must-be
BS" BS, I'd like to think there is some integrity in our discussions) broke
the top tube in his MB-1.  He weighs about 160 (or so) and rides(and races) fairly hard, but is certainly not intent on abusing his equipment to test the limits of
failure.  The top tube suffered a complete separation about 1/4" behind the
forward most cable stop.  The down-tube also buckled quite severely during 
the crash (it came completely apart as we trudged down the mountain-side.)
The event that caused this failure was an little ditch about the depth of
the radius of a wheel.  The front wheel stopped, so the frame decided to
let go.  My rough estimate was that he was only travelling about 3-5mph.

Now I still believe that the MB series bikes are some of the best production
bikes going and would recommend them, so I'm not trying to say they're junk.
Bridgestone "settled" with my friend not by replacing his frame, but rather
sold him one for "factory" cost (around $125 or so.)  Again, it's a judgement
call as to whether or not this is a true warranty commitment on behalf of
the manufacturer.  

So, the MB-1 has had (at least this ONE) failure.  It's clear that the frame
tubes (Ritchey Logic) is quite thin, thus light.  It CAN break.  My take on
the matter is you should know what you're buying and how you intend to use 
it.   Bikes are NOT indestructable, even if you don't "intend" to break
them.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Eldred)
Subject: Re: Wanted: experience with frame warranties
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:32:58 GMT

In article <72861@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>The subject of frame warranties keeps coming up....
>
>SO...If you've had an experience with a frame or fork failing under warranty,
>tell me (or us) about it.  Were you satisfied with the response you got?  If
>not, why and whose fault (shop or maker) do you think it was?

After 12 years of hard hill climbing, I cracked the frame of my Nishiki Ultimate
in the bottom bracket area.  As of a year ago, Nishiki made no conventional
top-of-the-line road frames, so at my suggestion they satisfied the warranty
claim by giving me a Nishiki Cascade mountain bike which had a minor cosmetic
dink in the top tube so they couldn't sell it new.  Considering that I paid
about $300 for the frame way back in '79, and the Cascade goes for about $600,
I think I got a pretty good deal (I wanted a mountain bike anyway).  The
experience taught me two things regarding warranties:

1.  Keep the receipt forever;

2.  Buy from a company that you expect to be around in 10 or 20 years (I
ended up getting a Schwinn Paramount for this reason).

Also note that most lifetime warranties apply only to the original purchasor.

	- Dan
From: mike@agate.berkeley.edu (C. Michael McCallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Shops in Urbana, Twin Cities
Date: 5 Oct 1992 00:50:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: scimitar.cchem.berkeley.edu
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I have a friend who is interested in getting a bike,
but she is unfamiliar with the shops in Urbana, Ill.
So I'm soliciting recommendations from y'all about 
your favorite shops there.  Give a quick reason if
you will, too.  If your team is sponsored by the shop,
say so.  That is pertinent info which will say what kind of 
shop it is.

She also travels to the Twin Cities in Minnesota alot, 
so any advise from Minnesotans up there would be appreciated, too.

send to:  mccallum@lithium.cchem.berkeley.edu

Thanks!

--Mike
From: naidu@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (naidu.gandham)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Philly Interbike Info Request
Keywords: When, where
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:08:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


Anybody out in netland know the when & where for the Philadelphia
Interbike show?  Is it open to the public, ie free admission or
otherwise?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: Paniers WANTED.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:58:20 GMT

I need a set of nice bags. I would prefer to buy an inexpensive set from
 someone who has upgraded recently. Front/ rear, low rider rack, and trunk all
good possibilities.

Thanks much,

Jim
jgraham@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: joet@leland.Stanford.EDU (Truman Joe)
Subject: Bicycle Helmet for sale. Large/Black $20.00 o.b.o
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: su
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 02:24:44 GMT

Bicycle Helmet for sale. Size Large. Color is Black.

Helmet is the CORSA R Vetta, Hardshell competition cycling helment.
Meets and exceeds Z90.4 ANSI standard.

Only used a few times.  Looks like new other than minor scratches
on the hardshell.  Comes with all original sizing pads as well as
original box and packing materials.

I paid $39.95 several years ago.
You can have it for $20.00 or best offer.

Send replies via e-mail to joet@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Sophomore, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:07:53 -0400 
From: Erik K Lobeck <el1p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cannondale Delta V Suspension Bikes
	<1992Sep24.120227.24892@bmerh85.bnr.ca>

>If the "pros" opinions mean anything to you, at the World
>championships last weekend, I'd say that 80-90% of the bikes

pros don't have opinions, bicycle product managers do.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
Subject: WANTED: MTB - DC area
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:00:36 GMT

I'm looking for a new/used MTB in the Washington, DC area.

Need a 16/18 inch frame.	  --John
From: luse@gdwest.gd.com (Stephen A. Luse)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Infor on Tandems Wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:57:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.

I'm asking this for a friend and her husband who are in the
market for a used (or new) touring tandam.  What brands and models should
be considered in the $500-$1200 price range?  

They currently have an opportunity to purchase a used Santana 
for $1100. Is Santana a good brand, and is $1100 a reasonable 
price? (Sorry, I don't know what model it is.)

Any information is appreciated.  Thanks.

                                      Steph Luse
				      luse@gdwest.gd.com
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Which is a better magazine?...
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:50:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Dear Rec.Bicycles.Marketplace:
				I am posting this here because it is
essentially a product review question.
	Out of either Bicycling Magazine or Bicycle Guide, which is a better
magazine?  I want to get a subscription, but I'm not sure which one to get.
If it helps, I'd rather read a tech. article than about the latest riding
fashions.
	Please advise! 
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From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: racing handlebars
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:49:39 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:

>I'm looking for a new pair of handlebars.  Mine are still in one piece but
>are too narrow.  A widder bar  should be improve my sprint, give a more
>aggressive control over my bike.  (imagine trying to steer holding the stem
>as opposed to the drops of the bar)

I changed from Cinelli 63-40cm to 66-44cm (46cm for other manufactures)
and felt like it made a big difference in my out-of-the-saddle sprinting
and also let me beath better in other situations.  I'm 6'-3" so have
wider shoulders most average size cyclists.  Although your bike will
respond to a lighter touch, you will also be more easily knocked off
course when bumped by other cyclists (quite likely in Cat. IV packs).
It is also harder to move through the bunch with the wider bars.

Track sprinters use narrower bars than road riders but I don't know
why.  Probably so they don't hook each other as much.

>FYI, I'm a cat 4 racer (for now)  and I've found that my sprint is pretty
>darn good.  So, handle bar strength and flex are very important to me.

I have only used Cinelli bars myself but I would recommend a cro-moly
stem (Ritchey, T-Bone, Salsa) if you like a stiff front end.  I also
notice a big difference between stiff forks (Columbus SP, etc.) and
wimpy, flexible ones (SLX, Specialized AL) when sprinting.

David Mackintosh
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: stjohndn@b30.ingr.com (Lisa StJohn)
Subject: KESTREL 200 EMS for sale
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:56:13 GMT


For Sale:   KESTREL 200 EMS, 56cm, Dura-Ace/STI
          
Specifictions
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Frame:         One-Piece High Modulus Carbon/Spectra, 2.6lbs
Fork:          EMS Composite, 1.1 lbs
Drivetrain:    Shimano Dura-Ace/STI 8-speed SIS 12-21 Hyperglide 39/53 Round
Cranks:        Dura-Ace 172.5mm
Hubs:          Dura-Ace 28f/32r
Rims:          Campagnolo Omega Strada Hardox, clinchers
Spokes:        Wheelsmith double butted 14/15 gauge stainless steel, 3 cross
Tires:         Panaracer 700x23c
Headset:       Dura-Ace
Handlebars     3TTT, 42 cm (3TTT measures outside to outside)
Stem:          3TTT, 11cm
Brakes:        Dura-Ace dual pivot
Pedals:        Dura-Ace Clipless
Seatpost:      American Classic
Saddle:        Selle Italia Flite Titanium

Frame Dimensions (per Kestrel info)
----------------
Top Tube       55.9 (measured center to top)
Head Angle     74.0
Seat Angle     74.0
Chainstay      41.0
Rake            4.4
Drop            6.7
Trail           5.0

Will sell complete bike equipped with Dura-Ace/STI or frame only (some
components are negotiable).  Asking $2850.00 for complete bike.

Having two children has forced me to scale back my bicycling activities,
therefore I can no longer justify having a bike as nice as the Kestrel 200
EMS.  My mileage these past two years have proven this to be true.  I
purchased the bike 2/91 and I have only ridden it about 800 miles. 
Currently, my only biking is towing a Burley trailer 10 miles with my Klien
on nice Sundays.  A couple of other points, I weigh about 140-145 lbs and
consider my riding style to be smooth/high cadence.  In other words I am
easy on equipment.  The bike has never been in an accident or been damage in
any way.

See the April 1992 issue of "Bicycling" magazine for a review of a Kestrel
200 EMS vs. Trek 5500.

Don St. John, Huntsville, AL
Home: (205) 837-6015
Work: (205) 730-3574
Mailpath: stjohndn@dsj.b30.ingr.com
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: I need advice on pumps...
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:47:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Dear Rec.Bicycles.Marketplace:

	I am posting this here because it is a product review question.
I want to buy a Zefal pump for my MTB.  It has to be small, since the only
tube I have to put a pump on is only about 12" long.  The bike's frame is a
GT Talera, with the goofy Triple-Triangle seat joint.  This setup really
cuts down on frame space, especially when the frame is only about 18" anyway.
	The pumps I am considering are the following:  the Mt. Zefal Trail 
pump, the Mt. Zefal Mini-Double Shot HP, and the Mt. Zefal Mini-Double Shot.
The information I have obtained is from Nashbar, Performance, and Colorado Cyclist.  
	I have the following questions:
1.  Is the Trail a double-shot pump?  Also, what is the maximum pressure it will	pump to?  I am really interested in this pump, because it seems to be
	similar to the original Double-Shot frame pump, which I own and am very
	happy with.  It is also the smallest FULL-SIZE frame-fit pump that I
	can find to fit this frame, and has a variety of mounting options, so I
	know I will be able to fit it on the bike SOMEHOW!  I'd rather not get
	a mini-pump because I know that they are not all that they are cracked 
	up to be.
2.  If I get a mini-pump, would I be better off with the HP version?  It is 
	rated at 105 psi, so I could also use it with road tires if I choose.
	It also comes with mounting clips to attach to waterbottle braze-ons.
	However, it is described as being "narrow barreled", and since I want
	to primarily use it with ATB tires, this means that it will take longer
	to fill them than the non-HP mini-pump.
3.  The regular mini-double shot (non-HP version) is only rated at 75 psi, and
	some ATB tires go up to 80 psi.  This also nixes any use with road tires	Also, I'm not sure if it comes with mounting clips for the water-bottle
	braze-ons.

	Which of these three pumps would you buy?  Please help!

	Thanks! 


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Mechanical Engineering                                O   
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e-mail me at:  JWGST2@unixd.cis.pitt.edu          (_) /(_) 
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From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Allsop Suspension Stem Opinions wanted
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:39:07 GMT
	<1992Sep28.220137.20418@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
	<1992Sep30.160916.6601@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<SCHENG.92Sep30130218@bcarh886.bnr.ca>
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <SCHENG.92Sep30130218@bcarh886.bnr.ca> scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng) writes:

   Are there any mailorder sources for these stems or do I have to be
   gouged by my local bike stores (CDN$225 = US$180 before taxes).

                                       ^^^
I forgot to mention, that was for the steel version. I didn't bother
asking about the Al version.
--

Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Vistalight VL-400 headlight: First Impressions
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:47:06 GMT

In article <rlewis.717791625@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>
rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
 
>
>What was the price for the system and what for the six volt rechargable?
>
>Robert M. Lewis
 
The basic VL-400 light lists for $19.95; I got my usual discount ;-)
I don't know what the other systems and upgrades go for yet, but I'll
 post that info when I get it. I think the price on the basic system is
an excellent value when compared to the inferior systems at that price
level, like the Cat Eye, or the more expensive Tekna-Lite based system.
BTW, the upgrade is listed as a 6 watt, not 6 volt, system, though I
suppose it's very likely that it is in fact a 6-volt system.
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