HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Priorities
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:25:42 GMT

>>Elm makes no further distinction based on actual contents of the Priority:
>>header.

In article <1992Aug20.070646.18269@chinacat.unicom.com>
	chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) writes:
>Not totally true.

brphzzt!!!  That's entirely true.  I was referring to a different
version of Elm, not 2.3PL11.  I apologize for the misinformation.


-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | The secret to a long life is
Unicom Systems Development   | knowing when it's time to go.
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   |  - Michelle Shocked
From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm doesn't work right with openwindows
Keywords: elm, openwin, startup
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:52:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug13.195205.8452
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

I've been using elm happily as my mailer for a while, and I decided to
get it called up when I start openwindows (Suns X windowing system).

I'm running SunOS 4.1.1 and Openwindows 2 with Elm 2.3 PL11.

I tried to get elm to start up with the window system (by editing
.openwin-init).

Now, elm starts up, the menu at the bottom displays, and the list of
message headers does not.  I can read messages, by typing retrun, I
can set the message to a new number, even after reading messages, I
can't get elm to show me the headers.

Calling up Elm in a shelltool still works.  ^L, suspending elm, and
reentering do not get my messages to show up.

Any advice?


In my .openwin-init, I changed:
shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi  &
to
shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi elm  &


Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm doesn't work right with openwindows
From: denny@dakota.alisa.com (Bob Denny)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:36:07 GMT
Organization: Alisa Systems, Inc.
Keywords: elm, openwin, startup

In <1992Aug13.195205.8452@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp 
    (Adam Shostack) writes:

> [...]
> I tried to get elm to start up with the window system (by editing
> .openwin-init)...

If my memory serves me, .openwin-init is created on the fly when you save
your workspace... It is used to recreate the state of your openwin
sessions and windows next time you start up. A change to it vaporizes the
next time you save your workspace.

You can add elm to your "Programs" menu by creating your own menu file.
Take a copy of "openwin-menu" (I forget exactly where it is kept) into
~/.openwin-menu. Then edit it, using the invocation suggestions you have
already received.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Robert B. Denny                                           voice: (818) 792-9474
Alisa Systems, Inc.                                         fax: (818) 792-4068
Pasadena, CA                         (denny@alisa.com, ..uunet!alisa.com!denny)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cm@impmh.uucp (Colin Manning)
Subject: Elm2.3 gives 'Alarm call' msg and quits
Keywords: sysV alarm
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:20:21 GMT

Hello, I hope someone can help.

I have just built elm2.3pl11 on a sysV machine. 
It seems to work OK, but if I just run it and leave elm sitting at its
prompt, after about a minute I get the message 'Alarm call', and elm
exits, leaving a temporary file around (/tmp/mbox.cm). Invoking elm again
gives an error msg saying that another invocation of elm is running.

Any ideas ?

Apologies if this is a faq.
- Colin
-- 
Colin Manning     cm@impmh.uucp      Tel: +44 753 516599
From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm doesn't work right with openwindows
Keywords: elm, openwin, startup
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:34:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug17.153403.7471
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug14.135259.28804@bluemoon.rn.com> grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean) writes:
>adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:

> Change that to:
>
>shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi -I elm  &

Nice solution.  But...The problem went away all by itself.  I didn't
have a chance to try and implement any of the solutions a bunch of
people sent me by mail.

Basically, the solution that everyone but Grant suggested was to use
an xterm, which would work great, except I didn't want to deal with
font changes.



Thanks to everyone who helped,
Adam





Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.
From: dhm2j@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Derek H. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm doesn't work right with openwindows
Keywords: elm, openwin, startup
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:59:11 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug13.195205.8452@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>I've been using elm happily as my mailer for a while, and I decided to
>get it called up when I start openwindows (Suns X windowing system).
>
>I'm running SunOS 4.1.1 and Openwindows 2 with Elm 2.3 PL11.
>
>I tried to get elm to start up with the window system (by editing
>.openwin-init).
>
>Now, elm starts up, the menu at the bottom displays, and the list of
>message headers does not.  I can read messages, by typing retrun, I
>can set the message to a new number, even after reading messages, I
>can't get elm to show me the headers.
>
>Calling up Elm in a shelltool still works.  ^L, suspending elm, and
>reentering do not get my messages to show up.
>
>Any advice?
>
>
>In my .openwin-init, I changed:
>shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi  &
>to
>shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi elm  &
>
>
>Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu
>
>What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
>at all.  How true that is.      


I use it on my Sun386i running OpenWindows 2.0 and it runs fine. The
important thing is making sure you have your TERM set correctly when
OpenWin is started (TERM=sun). Anyway, my invocations looks like this:

shelltool -Wp 81 221 -Ws 977 565 -WP 782 103 elm &

and this works just great.

                            Derek H. Miller (Deke)
                            Principal Computer Systems Engineer
                            U. S. Postal Service Process Control Division
                            Address: dhm2j@virginia.edu
From: dattier@gagme.chi.il.us (David W. Tamkin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Priorities
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:34:44 GMT
Organization: Gagme Public Access Seraglio, Chicago, Illinois  60656-1252
Originator: dattier@gagme

singh@r-node.gts.org (Rajendra Singh) wrote in
<1992Aug17.234059.18720@r-node.gts.org>:

| Can someone tell me what the different priority levels for Elm are?

What you put into the Priority: header doesn't matter.  The only thing
that counts is whether there is a Priority: header or not.

Elm will mark a letter urgent on the index page if the letter has a
Priority: header.  It could say "Priority: desperate," "Priority: vital,"
"Priority: garbage," or "Priority: none," and the urgency flag will be
there.

Elm makes no further distinction based on actual contents of the Priority:
header.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@gagme.chi.il.us   CompuServe: 73720,1570   MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: thelene@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Erik A Thelen)
Subject: Special Characters in Elm?
Originator: thelene@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:05:14 GMT

I recently saw a post to another group that included text in a box.
The box was drawn using characters from the extended ascii set--I could
hardly believe it myself, but it's true.

I know that there are control codes that mail programs like ELM can
read:  ^G and ^L are ones that are familiar to most users.  I have also
seen a (cent sign)E used in a message.  

How did the sender of the message I saw manage to create a box?
And where can I learn more about control codes in ELM?

Thanks

-- 
Erik A.Thelen . Department of English . University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
P.O. Box 413  . Milwaukee, WI 53201   . thelene@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: mai@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Andrew Mai)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Forward
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:05:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO

We are running ELM 2.3 PL11 with a pretty standard configuration
(as far as I can tell) and a pretty standard elmrc file.  When
forwarding a message (using the 'f' key), if we answer 'n' to the
question 'Edit outgoing message? (y/n)', the recipient gets two
messages.  The first contains one line:

Forwarded message:

and the second contains the message as coming from the original
sender.  If we answer 'y' (or just hit the carriage return) to
the question 'Edit outgoing message', the recipient gets only one
message containing the 'Forwarded message' line and the original
message.

Is there a way to set things up so that this latter behavior always
happens?  It is very annoying to receive two messages, especially
when the one you want to read is not at the top of the list, but
buried down somewhere with the other messages whose dates match
that of the originally sent message.

Sorry if this has been asked before.

Andy Mai
mai@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: how can i use vacation and filter at the same time (maybe FAQ)
Keywords: filter, vacation, faq
Organization: Inland Sea
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 01:36:47 GMT

my2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Munho Yi) writes:

>i wonder whether i can use filter and vacation at the same time.
>it would be hard since they both using .forward file.

I haven't actually tried this, but it should work.

The .forward file contains a comma-separated list of things to do
with incoming mail.  The traditional use of vacation in a .forward
file is:

   \user, "|/usr/bin/vacation user"

meaning "force one copy into my incoming mailbox and force another copy
thru the vacation program with the option `user'."  The traditional use
of filter in a .forward file is"

   "|/usr/local/bin/filter"

meaning "force all my mail to go through the filter program."  Note
it does *not* force a copy into your incoming mailbox: presumably
filter will place it there if that's the appropriate place.

To combine the two, replace the forced copy from the vacation example
with the filter pipe instead of the forced copy:

   "|/usr/local/bin/filter", "|/usr/bin/vacation user"

Let us know if it works, OK?
-- 
 "Voodoun is a very interesting religion for the whole family, even those
  members of it who are dead."
		-- "Good Omens", by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
From: brendan@cygnus.com (Brendan Kehoe)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Death Notice: Rob Bernardo
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:53:55 GMT
	<!w#n7gq.jfh@netcom.com>
Reply-To: brendan@cygnus.com
Organization: Cygnus Support, Palo Alto, CA
In-reply-to: jfh@netcom.com's message of Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:20:10 GMT

In article <!w#n7gq.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

   Contributions in his name may be made to the American Foundation for AIDS
   Research (AmFAR).  It has offices in several cities. 

Their main address is:

	AmFAR
	733 Third Avenue, 12th Floor
	New York, New York  10017
	800/243-7909

They accept donations of any size, either as a check or on a Visa,
MasterCard, or American Express.

--
Brendan Kehoe                                               brendan@cygnus.com
Cygnus Support, Palo Alto, CA                                  +1 415 322 3811
                       Oooh! A handsome stranger! And me, without my shoes on.
                                     --The Princess, The Emperor's New Clothes
From: gavin@asis.unimelb.EDU.AU (Gavin Trigg)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm doesn't work right with openwindows
Keywords: elm, openwin, startup
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:54:21 GMT

Here is the entry that works for me!

xterm -ut -geometry 80x50+0+100 -132 -wf -xrm "*iconGeometry : +635+3" -e elm &


Gavin Trigg	Internet: gavin@asis.unimelb.EDU.AU
		Telephone: +61 3 344 6003 	Fax +61 3 347 4803
Data Base Administrator, Information Technology Services (ASIS),
The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Australia.  3052.
From: rouilj@cs.umb.edu (John P. Rouillard)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Enhancement request for ELM filter command
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:07:08 GMT
	<Bs3CqG.F66@newcastle.ac.uk> <Bs4LsE.8oG@well.sf.ca.us>
	<1992Aug4.161853.26883@news.uit.no>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston


I use deliver with a set of perl routies that allow a filter like
syntax. As a matter of fact, I patterned the command set on the filter
documentation.

My .deliver file looks like:

  < code to load the library >
  # Set my login name
  $ME="rouilj";
  # Set the name of the log file. Setting this also enables logging.
  $log_file = "~rouilj/.deliver.log";
  # Establish a sig for automatic acks.
  $closure="\n\n John's secretary 8-)\n";

  # Forward my mail to the main mail hub
  # If this machine is not ra, then mail it to ra.
    if ( `hostname` !~ "ra.cs.umb.edu") 
        {
           print "DROP" unless &bounce("rouilj@ra.cs.umb.edu");
           exit;
        }

  &unreceived("/usr/spool/mail/$ME"); # check to see if I have
				      # received this message already
  &copy(":Mail/Boing") if  # put a copy in the file ~/Mail/Boing
            $Subject =~ /Returned mail:/i && $From =~ /Mailer-Daemon/i ;
  &copy(":Mail/DSR") if $Subject =~ /^DSCR / && 
	      &unreceived("Mail/DSR");
  &deliver(":Mail/NTP") if $Subject =~ /NTP stats/;
  &deliver(":Mail/ntpdate") if $Header{'x-cron-cmd'} =~ /ntpdate/;
  &deliver(":Mail/amq") if $Header{'x-cron-cmd'} =~ /amq/;
  &ack() if $From =~ /boss@cqr.ds1.gov/i ;

  [...]

The log file looks like:

  Mail from root@lwm.ds1.umlb.edu about cron for news@lwm said this
	 line 50 default rouilj
  Mail from betsus about [mark@kronum.com: Re: news feed]
	 line 50 default rouilj
  Mail from root about NTP stats
	 line 34 deliver :Mail/NTP
  Mail from root about mak: No files have changed
	 line 42 deleted done
  Mail from root@vm.umcb.edu about fooble
	 line 42 deleted done

If you want I can send a copy of the perl library routines out, or
post them. The documentation is basically included in the library
file, but a sample .deliver file should suffice for all but power
users, then they will need to know a bit of perl anyway.

-- John
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: singh@r-node.gts.org (Rajendra Singh)
Subject: Priorities
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:40:59 GMT

Can someone tell me what the different priority levels for Elm are?
-- 
Raj (singh@r-node.pci.on.ca)
E-Mail:  tcomsing@ravine.scar.utoronto.ca, tcomsing@bluffs.scar.utoronto.ca
From: steve@coos.dartmouth.edu (Steve Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: how can i use vacation and filter at the same time (maybe FAQ)
Keywords: filter, vacation, faq
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:22:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

my2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Munho Yi) writes:

>i wonder whether i can use filter and vacation at the same time.
>it would be hard since they both using .forward file.

Set up the vacation message and dbm files as usual.  Then create a
special version of your filter-rules file that you will use only when
you are on vacation.  It should be just like your regular filter-rules
except at the end where presumably you deposit remaining messages in
your regular mailbox.  Change that final line from

always save "/usr/spool/mail/yourname"

to

always execute "tee -a /usr/spool/mail/yourname | /usr/ucb/vacation yourname"

Be sure to use the correct path for the vacation program.  And don't forget
the -a option on tee, otherwise each new message will overwrite the last.

This setup has the advantage that vacation messages get sent only to the
people whose mail normally goes into your real mailbox and not to the others -
often mailing lists - whose mail you divert into special mailboxes.

						Steve Campbell
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Death Notice: Rob Bernardo
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:18:43 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>Rob Bernardo, who is listed in the elm manual as a member of the elm
>testing group, died earlier this month at age 40, of complications of AIDS.
He was more than a member of the Elm Testing group.  He was one of the
major developers, especially during the Elm 2.1->2.2 time period.  He has
not been very active since that time.  His input will be missed.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.headers,comp.mail
From: thomas@serum.clpd.Kodak.Com (bulli@kodak.com)
Subject: Reply receipt from MMDF
Followup-To: comp.mail
Keywords: Reply Receipt MMDF
Reply-To: bulli@kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company - Clinical Products Division
Distribution: clpd
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:34:27 GMT

Hi Netters,

A simple question: How can I convince MMDF (under SCO Unix 3.2.2.) to
send a reply receipt if the sender requests it (via Reply-Receipt-To)?
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: what is limit on alias length????
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:47:17 GMT

in elm 2.3PL11 one of my longer aliases 
water = water club = hank,scialdone@nssdcx.gsfc.nasa.gov,moreland@nssdcx.gsfc.nasa.gov,fish
does not work - it doesn't seem all that long and i read of no limit anywhere
next resort is to look thru the code but i don't really want to do that

when i configured elm it asked about the limits on the number of allowable system and
user aliases but not their length, i realize i could alias each one of the people
in the alias list and then use that alias in the alias list but i don't really want
to have to do that

does anybody have any clues?

		fish
--
John R. Vanderpool                INTERNET: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
NASA/GSFC                         VOX: 301-513-1683                
Hughes/STX Corporation            FAX: 301-513-1608
"arcadian driftwood, gypsy tailwind; they call my home, the land of snow" -jrr
From: root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Possible to loose incoming mail?
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:14:53 GMT
Organization: a consultant's basement
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Running elm 2.3PL11, is it possible to loose incoming mail if you are
bringing up elm while mail is being delivered?

I ask because I think it just happened.  My mail file was big, so it
took about 30 seconds to start up.  During that time, newmail told me I
had received mail several messages, and I did because my uucp feed had
just connected, but when I got into elm, there was no new mail at all.

I am running on AT&T 386 Unix SVr3.1.

-- 
Bruce Momjian                      |  830 Blythe Avenue
root%candle.uucp@bts.com           |  Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026 
                                   |  (215) 353-9879(w)  853-3000(h)
From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: OUTBOUND MAILS NOT BEING SAVED!
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:45:01 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Hello ELM gurus :

Information :
1. I am using ELM 2.8 PL8
2. I have 'autocopy = ON' and 'copy = ON' in my    $HOME/.elm/elmrc

Since last month  (no change was done to anything in $HOME/.elm files in year)
outbound mails are NOT copied into  $HOME/Mail/sent  like they always have!

If you need, I can e-mail you my 'elmrc'  ....

I appreciate the help/comment.
Farid Hamjavar
UNM/CIRT
hamjavar@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: hook@eagle.geog.ubc.ca (Chris Hook)
Subject: elm folder format
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:27:12 GMT


Can anyone give me an idea as to what elm is looking for in the
so-called mail folder format.

The problem is, I have converted a bunch of mh folders to mail
and the users want to use elm to utilize their mail with.

After putting everything into mail format folder, I can access 
these folders successfully with just about Berkeley mail program
going (mail, Mail, xmail, xmailtool, mailtool, etc.) except for
elm, which works fine on some folders, and give a:

Reading in /nfs/penguin/home/users/roy/mail/coads, message: 0
Folder is corrupt!!  I can't read it!!

type message on other, having no bearing on the size of the folder.


What is different about how elm looks at folders as opposed to 
generic Berkeley mail?

NOTE: I'm using elm 2.3 PL11


Chris Hook -  Computing Systems/Network Manager
Atmospheric & Geographic Sciences
University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C.
e-mail: hook@geog.ubc.ca
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Location of temporary mbox problem
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:20:49 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428) writes:
>Unfortunately, any and all attempts to get the temp file to be stored
>somewhere consistant in the user's home dir has failed.  '~/.elm/' doesn't
>work, nor does '.elm/' (if the user isn't in the same directory that the
>other Elm session is running in it creates another file.)
The location of the 'mailbox' temp file is 'hard coded' in that its not
user configurable.  But it is configurable in sysdefs.SH as default_temp.

>I would rather not modify any source code unless necessary, since it means
>work every time we upgrade Elm, although that may be the only way.  Any
>suggestions or insights otherwise are appreciated.
This is one of the 'user configurable things' and a patch against sysdefs.SH
wou;dn't be too bad.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235