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From: C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz (C.K. Black)
Subject: Droppers; the way we do it in NZ
Summary: works well here
Keywords: droppers
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:29:08 GMT

Greetings All,
   Until Sandy Pittendrigh posted about 'chaining' flies,  I didn't
realize that anybody did it any other way.  Honestly,  I haven't 
seen any other combo used down here.  Try it, you'll like it  8^).
To answer a few queries in one post,  here's my .02 monetary units....

Thomas J. Gilg asked about problems with the midfly being barbless,
well...  I've had no problem when the tail fly is small and unweighted.
Occasionally a heavy end fly has disappeared but even that is rare.

Rick Durham  asked if it was a seasonal thing and if some strange combo
like a muddler and a caddis would work. Fishing is year round down here
and I've used some very, very strange fly combinations.  For your 
summer I can't see why a combo like a big deerhair terestrial and an
emerging nymph wouldn't work.

Its almost winter here and I'm going to chain a #14 roe bubble, no weight,
to the end of a big heavy copper bomb fly.  Its the only quick, easy and
natural way to get the roe bubble down in big water like the Tongariro.
Thanks again for lending us those Rainbow trout back in the 1880's.
Tight lines.........
-- 
Conrad Black 

Email... C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz
Snail... Massey U., Plant Sc. Dept., Palmerston North, New Zealand
From: KSNAVELY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Suckers as Table Fare
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:15:14 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Here in the Midwest we have huge sucker runs in many of
the rivers in early spring. There are no limits or size
restrictions on the catch.
Many people find the White Sucker very good eating.
Suckers are not that hard to fillet and the meat is
mild flavored.I have heard of people pickeling sucker
like pickled herring and cooking them in a pressure
cooker to take care of the bone problem.I personnally
fish for suckersonly in the early spring because they
are easy to catch and not bad eating.
From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: environment, etc.
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:50:39 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College


cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:

>Speaking of driftnetting I saw on TV that Japan is hedging on stopping drift-
>netting, claiming it'll be too much of a blow to their economy. Given this
>attitude, and the impact of driftnetting I know I'll be goddamned if I ever
>buy any more fishing gear made there (eg; Shimano, Marryatt, Tiemco, Daiwa,
>etc.)

Actually, most Shimano gear is made in a plant near here in Irvine, CA.
I expect the same applies for most of the other Japanese-owned companies.

If you want to make a statement by refusing to by Japanese products,
write a letter to the above companies.  It'll have more effect than
telling your dealer (who will probably not tell his supplier, who will
probably not tell the American manufacturer of these products, who will
probably not tell the Japanese parent corporation).
-- 
John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)
From: RGDURH01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (FLORIDIOT)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: 2 piece rod(s)
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:55:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: vlsi.1992Apr15.115538.397
Organization: University of Louisville
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Terry tURner writes:

/In article <92105.13155534MD4AK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 34MD4AK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Rick LaFay) writes:
/>My opinion of two piece rods is that I don't care for them. I once
/>lost a nice salmon because a two piece rod broke at the junction.
/>admittedly it was not an expensive rod but...
/>
/	I think that is the point exactly.  Good quality rods have well designed
/	ferrules that fit pretty well and don't break under pressure.  

The only problems that I have experienced have been low-end Daiwa and Eagle
Claw.  I've had my Shimano Speedmaster rods for *several* years with no prob-
lems at all.  I have built some spinning rods on Fenwick Fenglass blanks with
no problems so far after a year or so.

<<<<<<<<stuff deleted>>>>>>>>

/	and transportation.  Fast taper rods are affected less than slow tapers
/	since fast taper rods flex primarily at the tip.

The aforementioned Shimanos are not only fast taper, but the ferrule is not
in the center, but rather closer to the grip where there is virtually zero
flex.  The Fenwicks are also fast taper.  The low end rods were both slow taper.

Rick "I'm gonna get a fish on a fly rod if it kills me" Durham
From: fax0316@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Penn Reel Address Needed
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:02:09 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I have a Penn reel that I picked up at a garage sale.  It seems to be in
pretty good shape but is missing the little spring that sits under the 
spool tensioning cap.  Does anyone have an address or phone number for
Penn?  Also, what is the proper term for the gizmo I've described?

Thanks for any and all help.

Tim. Sanderson
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry tURner)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Nail knots & Stuff
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:53:09 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.



	All this talk of nail knots and fly lines makes it tough to concentrate
	on a mediocre (so far) spring chinook season.

	I also use a nail knot to attach my leader to lead core line I use
	when trolling for trout.  My leader for this set-up is about 6' to 10'
	and 4 lb to 6 lb test depending on potential fish size.  I use lead
	core line when I need to troll deeper than about 15 to 20 feet.  If
	the fish are shallower, I will stick with my ultra light spinning rod.

	Lead core line is a lot like fly line.  I try to use the smallest 
	test available, so far the smallest I've found is 10#.  If I ever
	decide to buy a downrigger, I can ditch the "dead" core stuff fishing
	for trout.

	Terry

--
Terry Turner		   If people paid more attention to the really
terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com  important things in life, there would be a serious
503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles.
From: KSNAVELY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: EARLY SPRING FISHING
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:50:15 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Does anyone know of a good bait for suckers? Worms are
tried and true, but I was wondering if there is an alternative
choice. Thanks to one and all.
From: jett_cif@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Jake Ettinger)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: when does freshwater bass season open?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:33:18 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


when does largemouth bass season officially open?
is it still april 15th?


-jakester
From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:12:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University

Have we forgotten the noble carp?  Probably not a winner in the 
per-pound catagory, but when average size can exceed 10#, these 
fresh water bonefish can put up a scrap on light tackle.

I was reminded of the carp last night because my fishing partner caught 
a 14# carp while bass fishing by twitching a jointed rapala 
on the surface.  I have caught carp on dough before, but have never 
heard of them hitting lures before, has anyone else? 

I am reasonably sure that the carp was not snagged, the struck at the 
lure on the surface and was hooked inside the mouth.  My partner says 
he had several other hits (by what he now beleives to have been carp) 
while fishing in the same vacinity.  One of them stripped some drag 
but got off.  It seems like they are intentionally attacking a 5inch 
jointed minnow plug???????


	-Pat.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: paul@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Lake Trout Info
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 00:06:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.223240.56749@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:


  No, they do not seem to get the bends but it is interesting to
see them blow out their air bladders when they get within 10' or
so of the surface. It often takes 15 or 20 min. to get them to
the surface.

>In article <1992Apr7.173402.25033@sequent.com> paul@sequent.com writes:
>>
>> The way I do Lake Trout is to spot them with my fish finder,
>>usually in 90  to 150 feet of water and on the bottom
>
>Question: do these fish get the bends (sp?) when you haul them
>up to the surface quickly? 
>
>-- 
>
>-Wayne Trzyna
> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU


Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: tandem lures/droppers
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:00:19 GMT

In article <1148.29dd83d9@mbcl.rutgers.edu> zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr01.225255.42287@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>> 
>	[Some stuff deleted that Wayne wrote]
>
>> How do you attach the dropper to your main leader?  Doesn't
>> the dropper tend to get tangled up in the leader?
>> 
>-- 
>Droppers are indeed very effective in my experience fishing for trout in the
>Northeast/New England area.  A special rig is made or bought that consists of 
>3 way swival connector.  The two terminal rigs are usually of different
>lengths and one of the two wet flies weighted.
>
>Good fishing.
>		-Jerry                                                        *
>
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Droppers are also effective for striped bass and bluefish (they are
called teasers around here). Although I've found little sand eel
rubber imitations to be the best, bright white and yellow bucktail
flies are also effective.



-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
68 Washington St, Natick, MA 01760
508-655-3040
From: mak@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.a.kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Pond Management, etc
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:28:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Apr9.172829.22143
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <44594@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> vic@helicon.math.purdue.edu (Victor W. Lovejoy) writes:
>Hi, fisherfolk, this is Vic. My fiance comes from the southern part of Indiana,
>where her folks have a small (about 1 acre) pond. We have been fishing there for
>a couple of years and while we have had good days (we've caught 70+) fishing,   all the fish are very small. The fish that inhabit the pond are bluegill (all seem to be around 4-5 inches) smallmouth (also 4-6") crappie (we've only seen a   few, around 6 inches) and catfish (yellowbellies around 8-10 inches).
>	It seems that the pond is overpopulated, but I'm really not sure. It
>
>vic@helicon.math.purdue.edu

Vic,

I am very interested in Pond management myself, and would like to have one
of my own someday.  However, I have read a lot about pond management, and
practice these techniques on the Ponds I fish.

With a problem of overpopulation, and not enough time to catch enough fish
to get the proper balance, you can try adding a few "predator fish",
to sort of do the fishing for you.  On a pond of only an acre, I would think
that if you could get some sizable Largemouth Bass (3 lbs or more), they
will go along way toward decreasing the fish population.

You'll have to practice catch and release on your "predator fish", until
some of the rest of the population starts getting bigger.

The selective harvest techniques taught by the "In-Fisherman" magazine 
also apply to ponds.  This theory allows you to keep some of the smaller
and medium sized fish, but you should release the large breeder fish to
keep over-population down, and also to keep spawning.

The club I belong to has a 3 acre pond, and to control the stunted bluegill,
we have purchased 6 northern pike, and they have already made their presence 
known.  They were stocked 2 years ago at around 6-9 inches, and I caught 
and released one 6 months ago that was up to 18 inches.  The bluegill are
finally getting past the 5 inch barrier.

Hope this helps,

-- 

Mark Kelly - AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus, Ohio

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: ellis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Thomas J Ellis)
Subject: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:25:21 GMT

My personal fightingest fish is the only muskie I ever hooked.
I was fishing for bluegills with 6# line. He/She sent my line
a screamin' and my mind a reelin'. The fish was 1/2" short of
legal length. I wouldn't have kept it anyway, but I would have
had better bragging rights. The day after I put a camera in my
tackle box.

Tom Ellis

ellis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: ellis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Thomas J Ellis)
Subject: Re: Catch and Release
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:09:26 GMT

: Do you fish for sport or subsistence or both?
   
   Just for the fun of it.

: Do you feel that since you fish you have to keep the fish? (world perception)

  No, if I want a nice dinner that day I'll keep them.

: Do you feel Catch and Release makes a difference?

  Yep. Especially releasing the big fish. I want those big fish
  to make more big fish.

: Would you like to see more Catch and Release only water?

  I think that whatever the DNR thinks is best for fish populations
  is better than whatever I could come up with. I'll let the experts
  decide for me.

: Do you think you can make a difference by using Catch and Release?

  Yes, again I'm hoping big fish will make big fish.

: Do you fish for Trophies only? and do you keep them?

  If I knew how to get tropies I'd go for them more often.
  Part of me would want to keep a world class fish and another
  part would want to return it. I'd have to cross that road
  when I get to it. If it's not world class I'd surely return it.
  I'd think about keeping a 30lb 50" muskie, but not a 20lber.
  My uncle did catch a 30lb muskie and chose to keep it.

: Do you feel the waters in your area are declining or rising?

  Some waters are getting better, and some are getting worse.
  I'd say the increase about matches the decrease.

: What methods of control are used on these waters?

  I really don't know if the DNR is doing anything special on
  the waters I fish. We get checked everytime we go out, well
  maybe only 80% of the time. I don't even know of any CnR waters.
  All the waters I fish on have no special regulations.

: Are we ever going to have a president that gives a Damn?

  Vote for me. :-)


  Tom Ellis

  ellis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: thomase@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Thomas Stan England)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:41:16 GMT
Reply-To: thomase@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

I definitely agree that the humble bluegill wins in the pound-for-pound	
class. It's hard to beat the feeling on a light fly fishing outfit
From: RGDURH01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (FLORIDIOT)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: advice on fly lines?
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:14:23 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Joseph M Schultz writes:

>4. Is Lee Wulff's Triangle Taper line as good as the guy in the 
>      fly shop claimed for roll casting?

Roll casting, yes. But, having just tried it, I cannot recommend learning 
with a triangle taper.  My casting got a lot better after switching back
to a WF.

Rick "Floridiot" Durham
From: Tim Dudley
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Fly Line to 2lb test (beginner)
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:04:36 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Apr10.043416.3370@athena.mit.edu> jschultz@athena.mit.edu
(Joseph M Schultz) writes:

>>>I am trying to tie my 2lb leader to my fly line.  I have been trying
>>>to use a blood knot.  Is this what I should be attempting
>
>...etc
>

I had earlier suggested using super-glue to attach the leader to the line.
Some discussion in another group pointed out that some super-glue
isn't waterproof, and breaks down when it gets wet .   :-(

I hadn't realized this, so I guess I've just been lucky.  Makes sense to
check the glue before you use it.

Tim
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: CCSCHR@UWOCC1.UWO.CA (Chuck Reid - x5992)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: RE: Mystery spoon
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwovax.0702830627


 
> About ten years ago I used a spoon for ultralight freshwater spin
> fishing that worked extremely well for me, but I haven't been able to
> find it lately.  It was copper (I think - maybe bronze) and had a
> hammered finish.  It was made in Europe somewhere, possibly Sweden,
> and wasn't cheap.  Does this ring any bells for anyone?  Where might I
> find something like this?  Cabella's, Gander Mountain and Bass Pro
> don't have it in their catalogs.
>
>   - Leslie Johnson  (les@ulysses.att.com) 1+908-582-5493
>        "One Bell System - It Works"
 
Could this be the infamous 'EGB' spoon? I, too, have noticed that many
of the more popular mail-order houses do not carry alot of the excellent
fishing gear from across the big pond (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, etc).
 
The 'EGB' is expensive but worth it. It is hand made with various color
combinations (copper, black, silver). The finish is hammered on some,
hand ground on others resulting in a unique flash under water for each
combination and to some degree between identical models. All models
seem to be thickly constructed resulting in heavy spoon weight for their
size. There heavy weight to size ratio allows them to be used effectively
in fast flowing streams or rivers. Ideal for salmonid in spring
conditions.
 
I only know one place within 60 miles where I could go to predictably
get this spoon. Starting price is about $5.50 plus (15%) tax in
Canadian funds for UL or Light sized spoons (0, 1, 2 - 3/16 to 1/4 oz).
 
Favorite Canadian fishing show quote, regarding EGB spoons (paraphrased)
 
 
   Italo: Well the fish seems to have turned off a little now ...
 
   Henry: Oh, ...Fish on!
 
     (Henry lands and releases the fish)
 
   Italo: Glad to see someone is still catching.
 
     (a few seconds pass)
 
   Henry: Hey, Italo, I got another one!
 
     (Henry lands and is about to release the fish)
 
   Italo: You didn't tell me you were switching to an EGB!!
 
   Henry: I know but I wanted to keep catching fish.
 
 
Henry/Italo are good fishermen who get to fish everywhere, all expenses
paid. Their choice of EGBs is not guided by an sponsor. To some degree,
H/I are modest folk heros up here although they tend to come off as
a little too smug and self-involved in person (My opinion)!
 
CHR.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: tjio@venice.sedd.trw.com (Lee Tjio)
Subject: Re: Bass Rod Choice
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:12:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.161923.13345@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?) writes:
>To heck with all these japanese rods...I, for one, support buying
>American.  You can't tell me there aren't American made rods which
>are just as good or better than the rods which help out foreign
>economies.  How about some American suggestions?
>
>BD
>

Just make sure that you are buying American products that are made
in U.S.  Let's not get carried away by the The big-3 propaganda
which actually make many of their cars in other countries and
cause Americans to lose their jobs.

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: mak@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.a.kelly)
Subject: Re: keeping worms alive
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:39:32 GMT

In article <trudel.702564474@aucs> trudel@aucs.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel) writes:
>
>I'd like to keep a few dozen worms alive in my beer fridge
>(what else do you keep in a fridge besides worms and beer?).
>The goal is to keep them alive for an extended period of time
>so that I always have worms handy to go fishing.
>
>They are currently in a small plastic pail full of earth.
>What would be the best container and soil? What should
>they be fed? I seem to recall that they like coffee grounds
>and lettuce???

My advice is to buy commercial worm bedding that you add water to, and
commercial worm food that you sprinkle on top of the bedding.

I used to keep worms in dirt like you, but the commercial worm bedding
is so much easier to keep moist, and it is much cleaner when baiting the 
hook.

I also used coffee grounds and grass, but I'm not sure if the worms really
ate it, and if they did eat it, whether coffee grounds are good for them.  

When I started using the commercial worm food, I noticed that the worms 
not only lived, but got really fat.  And it only takes a little to keep
them satisfied for a while.  Add too much at once, and it gets moldy.

I don't have an extra fridge, but was happy to find out, that I
could keep the worms alive year round by placing them in a small
styrofoam container (with a lid - keeps moisture in), and setting
the container on the floor of my garage, against the wall connected 
to my house.

They survived 90 degree plus weather all last summer, and 0 degree
weather this winter.  I didn't expect to find them alive.  Love
that OHIO weather!!

Since you do have a fridge, great, for those that don't, find a cool
place in the garage or house, where the temperature of the floor stays
close to that of the ground.

Works for me.

Hope this helps,

Mark Kelly

	Fishing is the only sport that's even fun to fail at... 

	... as long as you don't fail too often.  ;^)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: fleck@col.hp.com ()
Subject: RE: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:59:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs Information Technology Center


	My 2 cents worth on fighters:

	Fly Rod:

	Steelhead: #1 by far.  I landed a 16lb'r on a fly rod after an 
	hour and some change.  Talk about adrenaline!  They have it all:
	Jumps, deep runs, and spectacular reel whinning.  ( Only time
	I have ever used the backing on my reel while on a river.)

	Brown Trout: Big brownies run deep and hard, and run forever.

	Rainbow Trout: Good runs for average sized fish, the big boys
	will give you your monies worth.  (the ~6 pounder I landed this 
	weekend was some kinda fish.)

	Coho Salmon(aka Silver Salmon):  Great action and good long runs.
	(I wish they would jump more  :-)  )

	Spinning Gear:

	Cats and Salmon would be about a tie in this one, both like to run
	and strip line.

	Carp are alot like bringing in that damned old shoe.  Heavy and slow.

	Trout and Bass would be about the same for me here also.  Some trout 
	fight better than others and I have not been much of a Bass fisherman.


	I, of course, reserve the right to adjust this soon ( :-)  ) since
	I hope to hunt the ominous Tiger Muskie in the near future.  I 
	have a feeling the TM will be in the Top 2 for the fly rod.

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