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From: mross@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Mark J. Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: WDW hours in Feb?
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:38:25 GMT
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Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1993Jan7.192905.417@news.eng.convex.com> bleikamp@convex.com (Richard Bleikamp) writes:
>Does anyone know the operating hours of the major parks in WDW
>for Feb. 12-14, 1993.  And which, if any, will have night parades/fireworks?

I just happened to call WDW last week about their Feb. hours.
(I'm going there on free vacation, remember?)
Here's the info I got, but its WDW's tentative schedule for the
February week as of last week.

          Feb13   14       15     16    17     18    19
MK         9-8    9-10     9-10   9-10  9-10   9-10  9-10
EPCOT      9-9    9-9      9-9    9-9   9-9    9-9   9-9
STUDIOS    9-7    9-7      9-9    9-9   9-9    9-9   9-7

Spectra-Magic and Illuminations are expected to be presented nightly.

Discovery Island will be closed during this week.
Additionally, during this crowded week, the Carousel of Progress
and Walt Disney Story are not scheduled to be open.  The Electronic
Forum in Communicore will also be closed.
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From: hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu (John Hofbauer)
Subject: Early Disney Animation
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: rec
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:39:40 GMT

> - Disney's Scrooge-like attitude towards releasing the classic Disney
> cartoons on video and laserdisc.  WHEN are we going to see full-blown
> releases of the ground-breaking classic cartoons like "The Skeleton
> Dance," "Flowers and Trees," "The Old Mill," "Steamboat Willie," and
> dozens of black-and-white Mickeys and Silly Symphonies that we can
> ONLY see occasionally on "Good Morning Mickey" if we're lucky?!?

Hear, hear!!  I want these too.  I don't understand why Disney is
sitting on them.  They have no theatrical re-release value, little
TV value ("occasionally on `Good Morning Mickey'"), so video would
be an ideal way of turning them into CASH. Look at what MGM has done
with the 1930-1948 Looney Tunes. 

Finally, if Pinocchio does end up being only released in CLV then,
I say, a pox on Disney.  I don't see how that will diminish piracy.
Perhaps Disney is miffed that Pinocchio only took in $18 Million
on this re-release.
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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Jon Freeman?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:42:12 GMT

Jonathan Freeman voiced Jafar in _Aladdin_.  What else has he done?
The name sounds very familiar.  [Incidentally, watch the "Making of"
if you can--he looks like he was having a ball voicing this role...]
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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: WDW Video Tapes
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:05:06 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

After reading your post, my wife watched the two tapes again.  We
like them both, but if you have to choose one over the other, we'd
recommend the Magic Kingdom one as the best.
 
Did you see the recent post I made that had quotes from highlights
of the MK tape?

We got the videos through Disney mail order.  We had seen it for sale
at WDW as well.  You might be able to find it in the Disney Stores,
and if not, ask a cast member there and they'll tell you how to order
it by mail order.

Good luck!

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From: julie@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Julie Hu)
Subject: Re: character warehouse info
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:10:11 GMT

In article <1idqsrINN571@hpsdlx.sdd.hp.com> allyn@sdd.hp.com (Allyn Fratkin) writes:
>i went to the character warehouse yesterday.  the place is fabulous!
>it is located in the belz factory outlet center (building 2).  the center
>is located at the north end of international drive in orlando.  it is
>a fair drive from the wdw complex.  take i-4 east to the international
>drive exit, then turn left and go straight until you run into it.

Yes, definitely worth the trip!
>
>they didn't have all sizes of things, and some things were blemished.
>they had a couple of racks of misprinted t-shirts and while some were 
>obvious (one or more colors not printed or shirt folded while printing),
>i couldn't find anything wrong with some of them.
>
>they were selling a lot of summer clothing (shorts, tank tops).

Also, 20th anniversary tank tops for 5.99
>
>here's a listing of the few things that i can remember they have:
>
>quite a lot of the merchandise from jessica's (the now defunct jessica
>rabbit store at pleasure island).  satin hats for $3.95.  potholders
>for $1.99 (list $3.95).  blemished aprons for $4.  towels embroidered with 
>a small jessica for less than half original price (full set in white, wash 
>cloths in green, bath towels in black).  generic lingerie.  black tote bags
>for $6.99 with jessica and the "i'm not bad... i'm just drawn that way" line.
>embroidered jessica satin jackets for $29.99 (list $90).
>
>the fantasia deluxe (vhs) set for $29.99 (list $99.99).
>
>fantasia sweatshirts showing the famous silouhette of mickey and stokowski
>for $13.99 (list $36).
>
>20th anniversary mickey mouse ears $.99 (list $3.95).
>
>large (14" high) mickey plush for $29.99 (i think, might have been 19.99).

This was definitely $29.99 ... about the same size as the ones you find
for $55 in the parks.
>
>there was a large selection of typhoon lagoon shirts.
>
>there was a large selection of polo-type shirts with small embroidered
>logos, mostly for the resorts.  i guess they don't sell well at 
>original prices ($30).  they had shirts for the contemporary resort,
>yacht club, carribean beach resort, neon armadillo, typhoon lagoon, rock and 
>roll beach club, and grand floridian (and probably others i can't remember).  
>these shirts came in various colors and were marked down to either $14.99
>or $11.99.

Most of these I noticed were smaller sizes.
>
>denim shorts with mickey silk screened on one leg $18.99.
>
>i don't have children, so i didn't go into the children's section.  sorry.

Neither did I.
>
>i hope this gives everyone an idea of what is available at the
>character warehouse.
>-- 

Also, I was there twice during the week between Christmas and New Years. It is
true that they get shipments daily ... they had different stuff the 2nd time
I went. I talked to a store clerk and they said sometimes they get 2 shipments
a day! 

So...it's well worth the trip! 8:-)

Julie
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Just Saw Aladdin...
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:21:01 GMT

In <92365.120747LAURA@UCF1VM.BITNET> LAURA@UCF1VM.BITNET (Laura Kittleson) writes:

>RE: Disney women looking alike....

>I think that for both Ariel and Belle, the creators used the same
>model, Sheri Stoner (I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere in
>one of those expensive Disney animation books that I was hoping
>someone would give me for Christmas....).

They animated Ariel and Bell according to Sheri Stoner's movements.  I don't
think they were actually drawn after her appearance.  I do know that Ariel's
habit of biting her lip comes from Jodi Benson, and Belle's having a lock
of hair that refuses to stay up comes from Paige O'Hara.

>Don't know if she was the model who acted/posed for Jasmine.

Nope.  Whoever it was that created Jasmine (I think it was Henn) drew her
from a picture of his sister from when she was in high school or college.

>The Disney princes look
>somewhat alike too; the Beast Prince was the first that I thought
>looked somewhat different.

Yeah, he looked like a girl.  :)  Sorry, I couldn't resist.


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From: paintre@stein.u.washington.edu (Kipp Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Retired Animator Question
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:36:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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>BTW, when, in your opinion, is the better time to visit WDW?  March or May.
>Also, what is the name of the other disney guide book, not the Birnbaum book.

We went in the first week of March '90, hoping for tropical weather. We were
somewhat disappointed. It was 65-70 degrees and breezy, so we had to wear 
jackets most of the time. The one day we planned to go to Typhoon Lagoon
it was 80 degrees and sunny, so it worked out just fine! Although we had
a fantastic time, if you are looking for hot weather, May would probably be
a better bet. (We are planning our next trip for May '94)

The book we used when we were there is called "The Unofficial Guide to 
Disney World". I checked it out of the library about three months before we
went and then again about a week before we left. It has a very specific
plan for touring each of the theme parks which is based on extensive
research of crowd patterns and ride characteristics. It saved us hours of
standing in lines. There is also one for Disneyland which we used last
summer. 

Hope this is helpful. Have fun.

____________________________________________________________________________
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From: john_donat@cs-lp1.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Dolphin Hotel
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:59:29 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@sunbird.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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YEEEE....
Yeah, it's probably the the UGLIEST thing built on Disney property in the world
(ok, I havent seen the dwarves on steroids yet..) (incidentally designed by the same
person)...
If you really want to stay in an EC resort, try the Yacht or Beach Club..
If you have a deal with Sheraton, well, stay there, and try not to look at the outside
of the place... The inside is WILD, and not bad....
---

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SE Chicago Loop
michelle@sunloop.Central
312-855-9530
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From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: More on Disney Women
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:48:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.073825.13469@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
# But Belle just looks so much better!

Must be that stray lock of hair.

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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Just Saw Alladin...
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:33:53 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <76026@apple.apple.COM>, chuq@Apple.COM (Crow's Friend Timmy) writes:
> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> > first, how old were Ariel and Belle supposed to be - Ariel was what 16? Far 
> >from a woman in my mind, Belle?
> Of course, you have to be careful putting your own societal mores on other
> cultures. Up until the last couple or hundred years, 14 was considered a
> very good time for a woman to get married. (Shakespeare's Juliet, to name
> just one example, was 14). Kids grew up a lot quicker in the old days.

Well, at the risk of drawing out an already boring discussion.... I could 
care less what the imaginary lands of BatB and TLM had as social norms - the
fact is that these cartoons are/were intended for today's American youth 
(sure they intend to make a few bucks in Europe but that was not the primary 
market) and as such they should probably reflect a more realistic modern
view of theworld - an arguable point I agree...

> >Second find me a
> >single female who honestly looks like either of these women
> 
> I've met women with very large, expressive eyes. They may not physically be
> as large as Ariel or Belle, but they seem that way. Fascinating faces that
> can be quite attractive.

Again, find me a woman with eyes that even approach the dimmensions of either 
of these two characters who is not on massive doses of thyroid medication - 
I agree that women with large eyes can be quite attractive that's not my point.
The women in Marvel comics with 12 inch wiasts and 44 inch breasts look pretty
damn good but even my 6 year old asks if that could possibly be real.... my
original point was that Disney, like many other animators, takes features that
are considered positive and exagerates them to the Nth degree. As animation it
works but as real-life it is absurd...

> >I suspect that if a young lady with eyes that took
> >up a third of her face walked into a bar near you you'd probabyl not find her
> >more than a bit freakish...
> 
> Don't put it down until you've tried it...

 Thanks- I'll pass....

			gln

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From: n9044398@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Eric Munson)
Subject: Re: BatB question
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:17:56 GMT

swiffenr@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>In article <79257@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) 
>writes:

>> (...part of the Never-ending story about this 10 year curse thing...)

>The book I have refers to the prince as a boy at the start, so I presume the
>curse starts when he was 11.  Not that this solves anything, it just adds to
>the confusion...

	My thought is that he (the beast) didn't age at all during the ten
years.  Otherwise how could Chip be explained?  Also most dogs (Otto) don't live over 16 years and Otto was still very energetic.  What are other peoples
explaination?  It was magic after all..
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From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Video Releases
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:44:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

To: hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu (John Hofbauer)

JH>>> Sorry, I'm just diappointed that Buena Vista decided to delay Sleep.
JH>>> I did hear from a source that the print for Sleep is in bad shape
JH>>> and that they are probably going to restore it or something.
JH>>
JH>> It's possible that the movie as a whole might be ravaged by time
JH>> (it's not all that old, though), but the print used for the trailer
JH>> on the Beauty and the Beast tape looks fine.

JH>Sleeping Beauty was done in 1959, the only Disney film in 70mm.
JH>I'm sure it's in fine shape. I personally suspect that Disney is
JH>advancing the Snow White re-release to set the stage for a mega
JH>video release in the spirit of Fantasia and Beauty and the Beast.
JH>Can you say 20,000,000 video cassettes and $x per?  Disney ain't
JH>no fools when it comes to making money.

Well, that MIGHT be the reason. (70MM) Disney had been using
Technicolor, a three-strip 35mm process that used black and white stock
to produce each of the RGB negatives. Color was added at the lab during
the printing process. (Known as IB Tech among film collectors.)
Technicolor shut down its Imbibition operation in 1974 and became a
regular film lab.

If I recall correctly, Sleeping Beauty was played up big as being in
EASTMAN COLOR. Bad news. Eastman used/uses dye-coupler technology, where
the dyes do go into the negative, of which there is only one. This makes
it worlds cheaper than IB Tech, BUT it has a problem in that the color
changes as time passes. In fact, after a couple of decades, everything
has changed to one color. In old prints made from this process,
everything has faded to red.

Refrigeration slows the fading but is too expensive to be good business
expenditure for the industry as a whole. MGM cut back on their
refrigerated vault's operation after they got the first electric bill.

Many reissues of films from that era (mid `50s-on) have required
restoration of the original negative (essentially, multiple-pass runs
through an optical printer and different filter packs, although computer
technology is available too).

For a video-only release, the negative could just be run through the
telecine equipment and corrected electronically, as I imagine was the
case with the trailer.

BTW: An outfit in New England (U.S.), Canterbury(sp?) Films, sold prints
of Star Trek episodes and the Sleeping Beauty trailer for many years.
They made a color-corrected 16mm negative in the `70s and some of their
prints from it still turn up with decent color. The trailer might even
be one of theirs.

Before someone asks, Canterbury was great at finding films that had not
been registered with the Library of Congress, and therefore not
technically copyrighted under the laws of that day, hence the Star Trek,
Disney items. The rest of their offerings were PD. Video put them out of
business in the early`80s.

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From: cscon134@uoft02.utoledo.edu (John Heiden UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Re: DIS Stock - early 80's (The break up of Disney)
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:36:23 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <79562@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV) writes:
> In article <61450021@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kellee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kellee Noonan) writes:
>>This part about closing WED was true according to my sources. My father's
>>cousin has been an Imagineer a long time (Walt hired him to work on the
>>new tomorrowland). In 1986 I was looking for a job as a newly graduated  
>>engineer. I asked about the requirements and possible openings and was
>>told that Disney was going to go to all contract workers. It seems
>>that after gearing up for EPCOT, they had an excess of people and the
>>future plans were being scaled back, so they wanted the flexibility
>>of contractors.
>>
> Well, that MAY have been the plan, but I know that Imagineering still exists
> and that they employ Imagineers.  They did just lay off 300 Imagineers
> last summer.  Still, they aren't defunct in any way shape or form.
> Another explanation for this may be that WED turned into WDI, as was
> mentioned.  WDI doesn't have all contract workers that I know of.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 24860 Georgia Tech Station		3393 Peachtree Street, Suite E-12
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-- 
Well, first of all, this closing of WED would have been around 1984.

Yep, they do still exist, as you point out, now as WDI.

But the closing would have had NOTHING to do with renaming it as WDI.
You see, at the time, (possibly still) WED was owned by Buena Vista
Distribution.  BVD is owned by the Disney Studios, technically.
And the parks are owned by Walt Disney Attractions now.
When the plans to break up Disney were formulated, first of all,
the parks and the studios would have had different owners.  Second
of all, most park operators do use outside contractors ONLY.
And the (then) planned future owners of Walt Disney Attractions' parks
had really no interest in the future of the parks, nor in any sense of
quality.  Just keep the parks open, and don't worry about other aspects,
basically.

The closing that I refer to, was entirely based upon the proposed
break up of Disney itself.


John Heiden
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From: enthrall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Wolf)
Subject: Re: Daughters of Triton
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:21:29 GMT

In article <1in3hbINNsbg@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> palmesap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Allan P Palmes) writes:
>What are their names?  

"Ah, we are the daughters of Triton; 
Great father who loves us and named us well:
Aquata, Andrina, Arista, Antina, Adela, Alana.

"And then there is the youngest in her musical debut
Our seventh little sister, we're presenting her to you:
To sing a song Sebastian wrote, her voice is like a bell,
She's our sister, Ariel!" 

<Forgive my spelling, if I've gotten it wrong...this is from the CD>
From: feenan@nova.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Good Passport Rates
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:36:20 GMT
Reply-To: feenan@nova.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <61450022@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, nederost@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tom Nederost(Nedorost)) writes:
|>From: nederost@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tom Nederost(Nedorost))
|>Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:43:02 GMT
|>Subject: Re: Good Passport Rates
|>Message-ID: <61450022@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
|>Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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|>
|>I think your best deal would be to take the 4 day pass from your Company for
|>$109.  That doesn't include Pleasure Island, Typhoon Lagoon, River Country,
|>or Discover Island.  But realistically, the weather this time of year will
|>probably not be quite warm enough to use Typhoon Lagoon or River Country and
|>Discover Island isn't a "must see" attraction anyway.
|>
|>While Pleasure Island is a great time and you'll probably want to visit the
|>place several nights during your visit, you can buy a Magic Kingdom Club
|>Annual Pass to Pleasure Island for $33.  Since the nightly cover charge at
|>Pleasure Island is $12.95 + tax, this Annual Pass will pay for itself during
|>one vacation (if you spend three or more nights at the Island).
|>
|>Have a great trip!
|>
|>Tom
|>
|>

Actually since I'm from NH....if our family was going we'd probably go 
swimming if we were taking a 2 week vacation to WDW.  :-)  In this case
we would go for the 5-day SDP.  One question, I'm an Annual Passport holder
as well as an add-on for Pleasure Island.  I thought that at the time I 
bought the Pleasure Island pass it was just that an "Add on" for about $30
(they are discounted with the MKC)...they required me to show my annual pass.

I thought to buy a standalone annual pass for Pleasure Island was more $$$?

-Jay
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From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: Observations regarding TLM
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:00:13 GMT

In <2586@usna.NAVY.MIL> wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.012910.23048@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:

>>24. Where did that dress Ariel wears as she walks out of the shallows
>>into Eric's arms at the end come from?

>Obviously, this is the difference between having the Sea Witch furnish your
>legs and having your father do it.

Yeah, that's what everyone else said.

>26.  When Ursula hypnotizes Eric (not to mention having the eels upset the
>boat), doesn't that invalidate the contract?  So why isn't Triton able to
>zap her later on?

Not having read the entire contract, I don't know (you *can't* read it:
the bit between "one voice" and "for all eternity" is just gibberish),
but I'm sure that those incidents aren't breach of contract.  (Come
*on*, do you really think Ursula would be that stupid?)

Tim.
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