HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna 
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:53:32 GMT

Kelvin Goh (ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:
: 
: From what I read from Far Eastern Economic Review a few months back,
: the satellite broadcasting is improving very quickly !!! Dishes have to
: be 2-3m in diameters. This is for the C-band signals. However, the Ku-band
: requires only a 1m diameter dish !!!!  (I could have mixed up the Ku and C
: band part).  This means that viewers can install a dish without being
My colleague had just bought a GPS(Global Positioning System) made by SONY
for S $1600. It is so small but can be accurate to 30m. The disk is only
about 6 in in diameter.  I can get some reading by just putting it outside
a window.
	How much does such a device cost in US?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
From: jbfink@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Adder)
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:21:15 -0500
Organization: Legion of Dynamic Discord

In article <1992Oct6.091609.175@news.Hawaii.Edu>, guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang) writes:
> BEFORE Singapore can ATTAIN the stature of a modern and civilized country, we
> have to TRAIN/DISCIPLINE ourselves by means of TOUGH laws. 
> 

I'm sorry.

I want the freedom to think what I like and believe in whatever political 
system I like without fear of being thrown in prison courtesy of the ISA.

I want the freedom to protest something which I think is wrong.

I want to be treated like an adult, not like some stupid kid.

-- adder

Most of all...
I want the freedom to drive across the Causeway with a quarter tank of gas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: elelko@nuscc.nus.sg (Free Man)
Subject: Re: Looking for Mr. Hew Voon Kong of GINTIC INSTITUTE OF CIM, NTU, S'pore
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:52:08 GMT

espcs@warwick.ac.uk (Voon Hin) writes:
: I am looking for Mr. Hew Voon Kong of Gintic Institute of CIM, NTU
: Singapore. If anybody know his net address, please e-mail me. My
: e-mail address is below:
: 
: 
: 	espcs@csv.warwick.ac.uk
: 
: 
: Thankx.  


  sorry, i don't know his direct email id, but you can still reach him
thru his colleagues below:

   graymond@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
   gckchin@ntuvax.bitnet


=========================================================================

Looi Kwok Onn
EE Dept,                              "Jim, I have no ego to satisfy",
National University of Singapore.      Spock.
elelko@nuscc.nus.sg

=========================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Kilts and Sarongs
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:21:13 GMT


In a previous article, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) says:

>Have you ever wonder,
>  what should one wears under his kilt?
>From waist to knee,
>  that which covers his milt.
>
>Have you ever wonder,
>  what should one wears under his sarong?
>From waist to ankle,
>  that which covers his burong(1).
>
>(1) A malay word for "bird".
>
>-Num
>

What is all this?? Are you trying to test us "...4 year olds..", or ya want
"...the liberal parents to force..." you into "...deliberately making
mistakes to test the readers...??" "...This is the chinese..."

After all, aren't "...sultans a kind of race...??"


ATAN
From: C.H.Ka@bradford.ac.uk (CH KA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: ELM Friends
Summary: I am looking for PENPAL (actually ELM-PAL)
Keywords: Friends NEEDED...
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:18:04 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90495480@fennel

Hello everybody.......
	I am a UK CISS final student and would like to meet some new friends.......

Electronic Mail Address:

	C.H.Ka%uk.ac.brad.comp@uk.ac.bradford

Ka Chee Hu
From: vcs_teo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (VCS Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Curtin University & La Trobe University
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:56:27 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

Any readers from the above two universities, could you drop me an e-mail
please.

thanks.

vcs_teo.csd.brispoly.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: clipper@grace.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western
	Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:37:45 GMT
	<1992Oct8.123212.17264@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
	<BvtKpx.EAA@comp.vuw.ac.nz>

>>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:25:08 GMT, Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz
>>>>> (Amos Omondi) said:

Amos> When I was at Changi earlier this year, I went to the men's room and 
Amos> found a man, in an official-looking uniform, seated in a chair facing 
Amos> the stalls.  He appeared to be monitoring the activities in the room.  
Amos> Can anyone tell me what was going on?

Well, there was one guy behind a glass window inside the men's
washroom of London England's Westminster undergound station when I
entered it. No big deal but that was the first time I saw an office
inside a washroom.

Khun Yee
--
Khun Yee Fung    clipper@csd.uwo.ca
Department of Computer Science
Middlesex College
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Canada N6A 5B7
Tel: (519) 661-6889
Fax: (519) 661-3515
From: kkc@desert-gw.ece.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Cheap Airfare???
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:52:58 GMT
Reply-To: kkc@desert-gw.ece.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

Does anyone out there know of any cheap airface from LA-S'pore-LA or SF-S'pore-SF ??

Thanks in advance,
Kee Koon Chua
Dept. of ECE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Query : Canadian Tourist Visa (?)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:36:55 GMT

In article <1687BF2C0.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> 
>G'day,
>      I will be travelling to Canada as a tourist, on a Singapore passport.
>Do I need a tourist visa?  I will be entering Canada from the U.S. The
>staff at Air Canada do not seem to be informed about visa requirements at
>all.  One said that I needed a visa, another said no.  Has anyone from
>Singapore been into Canada recently ? Is a visa required?
>      Thanks.
>      Gerald Cheang
> 
>e-mail : cheang@stat.yale.edu

     Since you are carrying a Singaporean passport, I do not think you will 
need a visa since Singapore and Canada both belong to Commonwealth.  However, it
is better that you should check with the local Canadian Consulate for more
information.  The staff at Air Canada do not know these things.
  :wq
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: ...Internet in Asia ......
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:30:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct9.210517.18564@cs.wayne.edu>, uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seet
amraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>
>In a gopher in Michigan I found Gopher servers in Chile Equador etc..
>       (Three in Chile!!!)
>None in Asia !!   What is Asia doing...?

Asia does have Gopher servers and internet access!!!  There are some internet
 sites in Singapore, Japan, Taiwan and so on.  Nevertheless, they are listed
under Pacific instead of Asia.  I am sure there will be soon more internet sites
in that area.  Even in Malaysia, there are a lot of sites where you can send
mail back and forth but I guess it is still not fully connected  to internet
since you cannot use telnet command and so on to those sites.  The mails just
go through via gateways may be???  OK chow.

p/s There is one Gopher server in Singapore (NTU, Nanyang Technical University,
if I am not mistaken.)

hra2@lehigh.edu
From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:59:31 GMT
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK


>>Well, there was one guy behind a glass window inside the men's
>>washroom of London England's Westminster undergound station when I
>>entered it. No big deal but that was the first time I saw an office
>>inside a washroom.
>> 
>
>Laurence> [Statements meant to be funny deleted]
>
>In case you don't know, I was stating a fact. You can go to London
>England, and go to the Westminster undergorund station. Visit the
>toilet there and decide for yourself whether the glass window and the
>office is there.
>
>Khun Yee

I do not think that Doc. Godfrey was disputing your statement. He was
trying to make a comical response.
However, if you feel the need for support, then I too have also seen
similar things in several places in London, and occassionally in other
cities in England and Wales. Haven't seen such things in Scotland, but
maybe I just haven't been to the "right" toilets. Cannot comment on
Ireland. Haven't been there.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Is freedom a 'Western' value?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:36:09 GMT


  Othman  write "Marry ASAP as early as 4 years old "

   I you sure or this is just a typographical error
 and don't give me "I deliberately  bla bla "
 you make me laught enought ! :)

  Muskie
From: hanlin@is.rice.edu (HanLin Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Borgs work for Microsoft!!
Keywords: conspiracy
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:02:06 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Seen on the box of Windows NT:                      


 We are MicroSoft...
    OS/2 is irrelevant.
    UNIX is irrelevant.
    Openness is futile.
Prepare to be assimilated... 


(Just kidding. It's really someone's sig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Comparing university degrees
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:43:48 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

If you want to know where a person got his degree, ask him or her about 
opinions on where the best education is to be found.  If you want to know 
where a person did poorly as a stduent, failed to get promotion as a lecurer, 
where his or her boss (who doesn't promote or give raises easily) got his or 
her degree, ask where the low quality education is to be found.  Comparing 
one university (usually where one studied) with another (usually where a 
person one dislikes studied) is not very convincing; say what exactly you 
are comparng, why, on what basis, etc.

Until thorough studies have been carried out, it does not make sense to 
make sweeping statements of the sort we have seen here.  This is especially 
so with people who have only experienced one system and have to resort to 
statements like: "My friend told me ...", "I looked at my friend's course 
notes", etc.  Included here are people who do not have a PhD but are 
full of opinions about how one can be obtained, which is better, which is 
worth anything, etc.  

In the final analysis, where you studied does not really matter (despite 
initial advantages); what matters is your personal merits: don't say how 
good your university was, tell us how good you are; don't tell us how easy 
it is to get a PhD, tell us what great thing you did for yours ...


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:28:40 GMT


  Ifind recent attack on En Othman personality are
  too much. I sometimes find  Othman rather amusing.
   but it is his opinion/idea not his personality.
   ** If you need to attack then attack his opinion not his 
  personality.***
     This world has so many perspective that we need to 
  open up and give each a thought. Else you are no more and no
  less than frog under coconut shell. 
     I find Othman is childish in not admiting his
   mistake in argument. But  Attack his opinion not the person "

   Muskie
   "Point my deliberately mistake En Othman "  :) :)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Sense of Humour (no apologies for British spelling here)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:34:25 GMT

In article <8OCT199218055794@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>Do Singaporeans have a sense of humour?  I have seen absolutely no

Eeeekkkk Do you have any sense of humor? The last time a make 
a pun out of your name you cried foul.  I should say what you write 
is not humor but sacarsm and cynicism.


>From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
>Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
>Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:24:00 GMT
>
[ irrelevant stuff removed..]
>
>Is it true that there is a law against wearing dirty underwear in your
>advanced country too?  Or for allowing your dick to hang on the wrong
>side of your zipper?
>
>Laurence

By the way I am not a Singaporean in case my Singaporean friends
get the heat for what I write. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tpt2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Thuan Pheow Tan)
Subject: Testing
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:54:34 GMT

      PLEASE IGNORE...
        testing 1,2,3


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Subject: Re: Is freedom a 'Western' value?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.175103.37993@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> zcakilh@ucl.ac.uk (Miss Chee Mei Yeoh) writes:
>[Someone in some other article writes]:
>> the Western notion[s] of fundamental human rights cannot
>> be transplanted from culture to culture. 
>
>It is worth pointing out that for centuries, 'western'
>nations were feudal, just as China was. Deference to one's
>'betters' was just as much a part of 'western' thought as it
>was that of Confucius and his peers. 

This only implies that the political systems are similar, not the
culture. Deference to one's 'betters' is still part of the 'western'
culture too. 

>When Thomas Paine wrote
>"The Rights of Man" in 1790, defending the French Revolution,
>he was found guilty of seditious libel and made an outlaw.
>But the industrial and technological revolutions since then
>have brought about universal education and political values
>have, accordingly, changed. 

Indeed, there is no transplant of cultures here, the new one simply
took over the old one. This further proves that the fundamental human
right can't be transplanted from one culture to another.

>It is worth asking for Singapore
>today, not whether we have fundamental human rights for surely
>some exist, but which human rights we ought to accept. 
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Exactly !! I believe Singapore is still trying to do so. However,
instead of giving the people every thinkable rights and then trying to
restrain them, Singapore is doing it the other way. This approach is
is more conforming to the existing culture, and therefore has less
effect to the social order (hence, we don't need a technology
revolution to achieve that). And by the way, this approach adheres to
the golden mean of the Confucian school -- "zhong yong zhi dao" (ie.,
by not taking extreme means).

>Looking back at history cannot provide us with an answer to that
> question, although it can help. [and] I firmly believe it can never be an
>ideal that men and women should be unthinking. I also believe that
>much of Singapore's political culture is rationally defensible,
>but the attempt to defend it on historical or cultural grounds does
>not succeed.

By looking back at history and culture, we look at not only our own
history and culture, but also others. A lot of Singapore's successes
are obtained by learning from the past history of the world.  For
example, Singapore defends the CPF scheme by making reference to the
failure of the social security plan in US and UK. She defends the CBD
car restriction scheme by referring to the various plans used in
controlling traffic congestion in numerous cities. She defends the
scheme for "four-generation staying together" (don't know what the
actual name is) by learning the social problems arised in the western
countries. As time change, history accumulated and various cultures
enriched, we can learn even more from them, and we can then make
better judgment in the future. Don't you think so?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:45:13 GMT

In article <Bvw4DA.8q5@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi) writes:
>You may be surprised to learn that slightly more than 50% of all PhDs in 
>engineering and the sciences now go to foreigners.  You may also be 
>surprised at the proportion of foreign students in some depts., which 
>would probably have to close without those students.  

I meant to add that these figures are for the USA.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: soc.culture.asean
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:12:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.230951.9018@leland.Stanford.EDU> yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:

>I think Singaporeans, more than any other people in the world, has quite a
^^^^^^^^^^^
>substantial world view.  Compared with countries like the US where literacy

Good thing you say you think 8). Isn't it a little conceited here?

>perspective of the world.  The local newspapers devote many pages to world
>news, and TV news cover more European news than say, the US itself.  Being
>a small country has forced S'pore to be more outward looking.
>

Yes but news that are selected for a particular purpose in mind, to
project the ills of the West and to enhance the moral and preception
of one's own country. Newspapers, magazines or any publications be it
here or in Singapore always have an agenda of their own.  You really
need an agile mind to filter out the truth from the lies and to many
this is not an easy matter. Being here in the US you should be more
than aware of this.


>It is unfair to say that S'poreans have a biased view of the world.  Being in

Perhaps a conceited view of the world 8-)?



-Mann




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chun@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Chun-Kuen Ho)
Subject: Re: Query : Canadian Tourist Visa (?)
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:38:23 GMT


In <BvvttK.GIs@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:

>In article <1687BF2C0.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>> 
>>G'day,
>>      I will be travelling to Canada as a tourist, on a Singapore passport.
>>Do I need a tourist visa?  I will be entering Canada from the U.S. The
>>staff at Air Canada do not seem to be informed about visa requirements at
>>all.  One said that I needed a visa, another said no.  Has anyone from
>>Singapore been into Canada recently ? Is a visa required?
>>      Thanks.
>>      Gerald Cheang
>> 
>>e-mail : cheang@stat.yale.edu

>     Since you are carrying a Singaporean passport, I do not think you will 
>need a visa since Singapore and Canada both belong to Commonwealth.  However, it
>is better that you should check with the local Canadian Consulate for more
>information.  The staff at Air Canada do not know these things.
>  :wq

i just went to toronto (drove) last june. singaporeans don't need a
visa. i got off at the border, went into a building to have the
passport checked (stamped? forgotten) and that's it. if i had told the
officer at the drive-thru check point that i were an american, he probably
would have just waived me pass.

chun-kuen ho
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Confucianism and the Singaporean
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:33:24 GMT

vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong):
> we (I say we in the general sense) were brought up to respect our
> elders, honour their teachings, guidance and act on it, WITHOUT
> QUESTION. And these are the exact rudiments of the Confucian ethics
> our government has been promoting as we matured as a nation. 

Confucianism - the concept of the "superior man", whose conduct expresses
righteousness and benevolence, moderation in all things, and a fixed
system of social relations which is supposed to provide the correct key
for behaviour in all circumstances.  Through its insistence on stable
family and social relationships and an overwhelming, even exaggerated,
respect for the elderly, it stifled the spirit of enterprise and adventure
in young men and subjugated women.  It discouraged speculative thought
and looked down on manual labour and mechanical inventions.

The followers of the Confucian ethics - actors - are literally all
playing roles.  Role-playing starts from a very young age.  This is one
reason why Chinese children are on the whole so remarkably docile: they
are acting the role which parents and society prescribe for them - to
be obedient and cute - and are trained from infancy to restrain their
tantrums or let them be subdued in the pillow of all-emcompassing
maternal/paternal care.

The children pass from the almost unbelievable warmth and security of
parental and security of parental and grandparental love into a social
world in which an equally solicitous but more remote figure - the
kindergarten teacher - takes over and supervises their adjustment to
the experience of coexisting with other similarly secure and behaviour-
patterned infants.

Rebellion is expected from time to time, but within strict limits, and
children who show more than a few small "anti-social" symptoms will
quickly feel isolated from the totality of the kindergarten class - the
group in which they live most of their waking lives.  The other members
of the group will not be impressed by or secretly admire a child who is
bold enough to be rebellious; they will disapprove of the disruption of
their own security.  The importance of social role-playing is emphasized
by the ceaseless acting, dancing, and game-playing.  A rebellious child
may be reminded that he or she is not "living up" to the role assigned
in a classroom play.

These children will never grow up.  As adults, they will continue to
view the world through their child's eyes.  Hence authority is viewed
as a parent (hi Osbert), to be obeyed without questions.

Disclaimer:  Any resemblence of the above to the Singaporeans and their
relationship with the Singaporean government is purely coincidental.


-Num
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