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From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Graf, Leipzig, line call
Date: 8 Oct 1992 13:24:03 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct8.070401.10809@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.)
writes:

>Sir, these things happen all the time, If you want to talk about
>controversial line-calls what about '90 U.S. Open match point Sabatini!
>That ball was so wide that if She didn't jump in the air or if it
>wasn't even match point there would be no hesitation on calling it out
>"win some... lose some" Thats the advantage of playing loosely instead
>of tight. Also do you know whether Graf used her net game or topspin
>backhand in the match? Any improvements in her game? 

Concerning the first part: Yes, you are right, these things happen all
the time. One more reason to improve the line calls. The problem is that
many people tell you: "After a long period of time the wrong calls to
your advantage and to your disadvantage will be nearly the same." They
are - in principle - right but some calls are more important (see above)
than others.

Concerning the second part: I didn't watch the match fully because in 
parallel another TV-station showed the final in Basel, Becker vs.
Korda. So I switched between the two ones. Anyway, in my opinion there
wasn't a real improvement in Graf's game. I think she's able to play a
very good topspin backhand, but she doesn't use this ability. Her net
game is also fine, especially when the stroke that leads her to the net
is alright, but it looks as if she hates to play at the net (like Ivan
Lendl in Wimbledon: His net game is alright and he has improved it a
lot, but it's obviously that he doesn't feel save at the net).

Bye, Stefan
From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tournament Results: Oct 15 am
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:46:29 GMT
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

$1.1 MILLION SEIKO OPEN
AT TOKYO
THURSDAY'S RESULTS  
THIRD ROUND
-----------
Stefan Edberg (1) d. Patrick McEnroe, 6-2,7-6 (7-3)
Michael Chang (2) d. Jonathan Stark, 6-0,6-7 (5-7), 6-0   <-----strange match
Henrik Holm (14) d. Boris Becker (3), 6-1,6-2		  <-----Oops
Goran Ivanisevic (4) d. Niclas Kroon, 6-4,6-2
Ivan Lendl (5) d. Wally Masur (11), 6-4,6-2
Wayne Ferreira d. Chris Pridham, 7-6 (7-4), 4-6,6-4
Kenny Thorne d. Richard Krajicek (7) 6-3,7-6 (7-0)
Alexander Volkov (8) d. Shuzo Matsuoka, 7-5,6-4		  <-----So sorry.

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$350,000 PORSCHE GRAND PRIX
AT FILDERSTATDT, GERMANY
WEDNESDAY'S RESULTS  

FIRST ROUND
-----------
Martina Navratilova (3) d. Patricia Hy, 7-6 (7-5), 6-1
Veronika Martinek d. Dinky Van Rensburg, 4-6,6-2,6-3
Leila Meskhi d. Cecilia Dahlmann, 6-4,6-1.
 
SECOND ROUND
------------
Gabriela Sabatini (1) d. Natalia Medvedeva, 6-4,6-4
Arantxa Sanchez (2) d. Sabine Appelmans, 7-6 (7-5), 6-2
Wiltrud Probst d. Andrea Temesvari, 7-5,6-7 (3-7), 6-1
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From: mliu@shasta.ucsb.edu (Liu;Mei-Ling;L.;CS Grad Student;;COMS;Graduate;930630;;500)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Aus Indoor 2nd Round
Keywords: Aus Indoor 2nd Round
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:38:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <1992Oct10.225407.5426@nmsu.edu> ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM) writes:
>
>Who is the top seed in this tournament.  Is Becker playing.  If not why?
>
Ha! Who but the reigning champ and the recent U.S. Open champ: Stefan
Edberg.  
Becker is not playing, probably because he played (and won) the Swiss
Indoor Tourney last week.  Maybe he chose to stay away from this
more crowded event?

M. Liu
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: More Tournament Results, Oct 14
Date: 15 Oct 1992 12:27:03 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
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In article <71321@hydra.gatech.EDU> 
cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (SMITH,CHRISTOPHER G) writes:

>Bloom d. Connors(7)            6-4 4-6 7-5  *
> ***Stuff deleted***
>
>* Match lasted 3 hours, 20 minutes.  During one point, the ball exploded,
>  but Connors was denied the opportunity to replay the point (which he
>  lost).  In response, Connors tossed the ball at the referee and was
>  issued a warning.

Does anyone know if this was a correct decision (to deny a replay)?
As far as I know, if there's something wrong with the ball, the
point will be played again. For several times I saw a player showing
a ball to the referee, saying and/or demonstrating that the ball had
lost most or all of its pressure. If the situation was clear enough,
i. e. if the player was right, they played let (repeated the point).
And none of the balls in these situations exploded but merely lost
its pressure! I'm not sure if all these referees are such friendly
guys or if the decision always has to be to play let. If someone knows
the exact rule, please let me know!

aTdHvAaNnKcSe,

Stefan
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher G. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tennis Tournament Results, Oct 6
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:02:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Tennis Rournament results for Tuesday, Oct. 6 (these are additional scores
not already posted by Gess Shankar):

Toulouse, France
----------------
1st Round:

Siemerink d. Steeb(5)	7-6 6-7 7-6
Medvedev(7) d. Gollwitzer (Ger.)  6-2 6-7 6-4
Camporese(8) d. Leconte	2-6 6-3 6-4
Bergstrom d. Hlasek	7-6 6-2
Roux d. Borg		6-0 6-4   (Borg still winless on the ATP tour)
Santoro d. Tarango	6-3 7-6
Gauthier d. Soules	6-3 6-3


..Chris

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 00:08:20 -0400 
From: Peter Che-We Chow <pc2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Agassi vs. Courier??

In article, ptsai@cmcvx1.claremont.edu, writes:

>hello, i would like to raise a question about agassi here, it seems like he's
>unable to beat Jim Courier after his lost at the 91(?) french final, is it 
>simply because he's just not as good as Jim or are there some
> mental/psychological factors behind it. Maybe you still remember, agassi 
>was playing quite ok and actually taking control over courier before the rain
>started, and all of a sudden after the came out of the locker room and agassi
>started to go down....They are both playing the similar power-baseline game
>except maybe jim has a bigger net game than agassi, but this doesn't
seem to be
>the reason why agassi seems to have a shadow of courier over him....

    In the French Open '91, after the rain, did you notice that Jim
stood far way behind the baseline which was not where he stood before
the rain.  As a matter of fact, Jim could hit a better return from
Agassi's strong serve.  Even in the U.S. Open '92, Jim also stood way
behind the baseline when he recieving Agassi's serve.  This really gets
Agassi down.  Since Agassi likes to over-power the opponent when he is
serving, but not JIm.  Well any other comments.........
    Peter
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From: nick@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Lemberos)
Subject: Squash newbie, its GREAT!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:57:33 GMT


I was invited by a friend to play some squash, and it is a 
blast.  With the dead ball and longer racquet you have
plenty of time to crank a backhand or forehand.  Unlike
racquetball, which is all wrist, I dont think playing
squash this winter is going to hurt my tennis game.

Anyone else out there play?  I need to find a good book
and purchase a racquet (squash racquets have changed to
"oversize" as well 8-).  Any recommendations?




nick

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From: kleung@terapin.com (Keith Leung Keith Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Edbergs Racquet
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:58:16 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <mdh410.718510029@huxley>, mdh410@huxley.anu.edu.au (Michael D
Hanslip) writes:
>Though I would have sworn he was at Roland Garros! Oh well, Steffi doesn't
>use my racquet either (the Dunlop Revelation Pro) and I won't 
>believe she ever will until I see it with my own eyes.
>
>Michael Hanslip.
>yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au
>

     Welll Dunlop will be discontinuing the Max 200G next year.  So Steffi will
either switch to a new Dunlop, or use what she has left.
From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tournament Results: Oct 8th
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:23:26 GMT
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

$1.1 MILLION AUSTRALIAN INDOOR CHAMPIONSHIPS
AT SYDNEY
THURSDAY'S RESULTS  
THIRD ROUND
----------
Stefan Edberg (1) d. Richey Reneberg (15), 6-4,6-2
Goran Ivanisevic (2) d. Christo van Rensburg, 6-4,6-4
Patrick Kuhnen d. Andre Agassi (3), 6-3,6-4		  <-------
Ivan Lendl (4) d. Mark Woodforde (14), 6-2,6-4
Henrik Holm (12) d. Wayne Ferreira (5), 7-6 (7-5), 3-6,6-4
Richard Krajicek (6) d. Neil Borwick, 6-3,4-6,6-2
John McEnroe (7) d. Byron Black, 7-6 (10-8), 3-6,6-1
Paul Haarhuis (9) d. Wally Masur (8), 5-3 (retired)

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$130,000 ATHENS INTERNATIONAL
AT ATHENS, GREECE
THURSDAY'S RESULTS  
SECOND ROUND
------------
Francisco Clavet (2) d. Tomas Carbonell, 6-4,7-6 (7-3)
Javier Sanchez (4) d. Frederic Fontang, 6-1,3-6,6-2
Marc Goellner d. Renzo Furlan, 6-3,7-6 (7-4)
Milan Velev d. Marcos Gorriz, 6-4,6-2

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$315,000 TOULOUSE OPEN
AT TOULOUSE, FRANCE
THURSDAY'S RESULTS  
SECOND ROUND
------------
Petr Korda (1) d. Lionel Roux, 6-7 (6-8), 7-5,6-4
Guy Forget (2) d. Fabrice Santoro, 6-7 (5-7), 6-1,6-4
Andrei Medvedev (7) d. Pierre Gauthier, 6-4,7-5
Jan Siemerink d. Marc Rosset, 4-6,6-4,6-4
 
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$350,000 WOMEN'S EUROPEAN INDOORS
AT ZURICH, SWITZERLAND
THURSDAY'S RESULTS  
SECOND ROUND
------------
Martina Navratilova (2) d. Barbara Rittner,  6-3,6-0
Patty Fendick d. Manuela Maleeva (3), 6-3,6-3
Jana Novotna (4) d. Natalia Zvereva, 7-5,6-2
Andrea Strndova d. Helena Sukova (5), 7-6,3-6,6-3
Zina Garrison (6) d. Jo Durie, 3-6,6-3,6-4
Magdalena Maleeva (7) d. Andrea Temesvari, 6-2,6-2
Judith Wiesner (8) d. Pam Shriver, 6-4,4-6,6-4
 
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: New subscriber to the group 
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 22:41:08 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Originator: clin@analog.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Oct7.214316.11330@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c3b-as@po.berkeley.edu writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>	I am a new subscriber to this tennis group.  As a matter of
>fact, this is the first time I ever send an article on Unix.
>
>	I don't know much about this group, and hope to receive some
>information about it.

   This group talks about anything related to tennis, though during
the Grand Slam events, we tend to talk a lot about who won, who
we think we win, etc.   At times, it has reduced to whether Becker
is one of the great players in tennis or not, on which tennis
player possesses the most pulchritude, how some players are
not to a reader's liking, and so on.   While, it doesn't bother
me, some readers have gotten offended by material that has little
to do with tennis (such as which player might be "best in bed",
and so forth).

   On occassion, people will talk about racquet equipment and
trivia related to tennis.

>	I enjoy playing and watching tennis during my free time.  I like
>to know all kinds of tennis news, like news about both ATP and WTA tours.
>I am also a big fan of Steffi Graf.

    Well, for a while, we had Anne Dolce posting tournament results.
She has since stopped subscribing to this group due to unkind 
comments about Steffi Graf's personality, as well as comments in
general about certain women players.

    However, some other people have volunteered to post results
and so one can still keep with what's going on.

>	Does everyone know the mailing addresses for pros?  I would really
>like to send a letter to Steffi Graf and Michael Chang.

   I doubt their actual address is available since too many people
would want to write to them.   I would guess that one way to
get their address is to find which management firm handles them
(like IMG or Advantage International or Pro Serve) and send them
a letter care of them.  I don't know if they will reply or not.
You may just get a package sent back with a picture and autograph.
I'm not sure how much time players have to spend writing.

>
>	If anyone would like to talk to me about any tennis stuff, I 
>greatly appreciated.

   That's what the group is all about.   Start reading, and you can
get a flavor of what this group is like.

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From: bmok@uucp (Bert Mok)
Subject: What's the secret of hitting heavy top-spin groundstrokes
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:44:08 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Those of you heavy top spin players, would you give me a few tips on
how to apply top spin to my shots?

One rule I heard is: get under the ball with racquet face open and
quickly rub over the ball with the wrist, it's all in the wrist.

I tried it without much success.  When I get under the ball with
racquet face open, my shot flies 6 feet past the baseline.  I probably
don't go over the back and the top of the ball quick enough.

Bert Mok
Phone: 415-506-2132
FAX:   415-506-7293
Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
Internet: bmok@oracle.com    UUCP: uunet!oracle!bmok
From: mliu@shasta.ucsb.edu (Liu;Mei-Ling;L.;CS Grad Student;;COMS;Graduate;930630;;500)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News and Notes, Oct 12
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:12:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <70905@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (SMITH,CHRISTOPHER G) writes:
>
>  + Tennis on TV (USA)
>
>    - Saturday (10/17) at 4:00 pm, NBC
>         ATP Senior Tour Championship
>         (Check your local listings to confirm)
>
Also, there is a taped show of the Australian Indoor final, scheduled
for PST 11:00 PM on Friday, on ESPN.  If you want to see how Ivanisevic
pummeled Edberg, this is your chance.

M. Liu


Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: bnataraj@uceng.UC.EDU (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Davis Cup final times and phone #'s
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:24:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.160547.6920@news2.cis.umn.edu> bose@pico.cs.umn.edu (Ashim Bose) writes:


>The nose-bleed seats were priced at $25/one day.  No wonder they didn't sell
>too many of these.

	Just curious... what are the "nose-bleed seats" and how come they got
	such a strange name ??

	Thanks
	Bhaskar
>
>Ashim



Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Subject: Re: Modern Rackets
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:34:14 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <kleung.1u9k@terapin.com> kleung@terapin.com (Keith Leung Keith Leung) writes:
>    Wow, I didn't know that.  Are you sure there is more than one Prestige?
>Why does Head make more than one Prestige?  I talked to the Head Rep today, and
>he told me there was only one Prestige which is 19mm, and it is silverish,
>black, and some tint of green.    Wouldn't I have a list for the other prestige
>in my head catalog?

The black and green one is the current version of the Prestige (I'm not sure
where the "silver" comes in). There are some pro's using the old Prestige
that has a reddish tint to it. The new Prestige is a little thicker and reminds
me of the new Prince Graphite II. Someone posted that it's actually 19mm, not
22mm, it very well could be since I don't carry around a ruler. But, it looks
to be a little thicker than the old model. I've never played with the new
Prestige, but I didn't like the feel of it in the shop.

But you never know, play testing the frame is the only true test!
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: What's the secret of hitting heavy top-spin groundstrokes
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:54:32 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: clin@erlang.src.umd.edu


    Welcome, John M.!

    It actually takes quite a bit of nerve to try to write the first article.
After awhile, you start to think your opinion is worth something, or at
least you're no longer shy about presenting it.   No one's a professional
writer (certainly not me), so I find it's no pressure on me to have
perfect grammar or say the right answer all the time.

    In general, I agree that most of the motion ought to be in the moving
of the racquet low to high.   However, I think that for really exagerrated
spin, some wrist motion is necessary.   However, when one is starting
out, you can still get a good deal of spin without that much wrist.
Wrist is certainly useful in serving with spin, in my opinion (IMNSHO).

    I have been having problems lately with hitting slice.  I can hit it,
and it floats a bit, but I find it a little hard to hit it sqaure on,
and get a reasonable amount of pace.  I have some idea of how to do it,
but it'll take a bit of practice to get it right.

--
Charles Lin
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From: ac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (ac)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Wilson Catalogs
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:43:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Does anyone know where/how to get (complete) catalogs of Wilson made rackets?
Thanks!!

Alex Chou
EE, Purdue U.
From: Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tournament Results (was: did Graf win in Zurich?)
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:27:50 GMT
 <1992Oct5.121641.13970@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> 
 <1992Oct8.065659.10627@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <1992Oct8.131932.8894@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

However here is my point. Sabatini and Novotna are big threats to Graf
right? WRONG! Their entire grandslam record wins against her are two
(2) nomatter what their life time head to head when it gets to the
majors Graf's mental game is so much more domineering and powerful.
Sabatini won every match except two againt Graf in the last two years?
How much do you want to bet Gabby would trade EVERY ONE for ONE of
those two? Nobody remembers the Amelia Island championship, only the
Grand Slam winners
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: c3b-as@po.berkeley.edu (Connie Chan)
Subject: RE: Ask for good racquet suggestion for beginner 
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:52:45 GMT


	I am definitely not an expert, but as a person who go through these
steps of buying my first ever racquet, I probably can share some of my 
views.

	If you need to buy a racquet in order to start learning, I suggest 
you just buy a cheap, but reliable brand name tennis racquet.  For right now,
you probably have no clear idea what your needs are, i.e. power or control.
So any inexpensive racquet will do the job.  After you get a better view of
your tennis, then you can invest into a better tennis racquet.

	Prince offers a variety of racquets for all different style of plays
and skill levels.  Right now I am playing with a Prince Graphite Composite 110,
which supplies me  with sufficient power and control, and it does not cost
that much.  Of course there are all other brand names' racquet you can look into.
For a beginning, I think a big racquet head size like 110 or 95 can be helpful.

These are just few sugestions that you might put into consideration.

I hope you will buy a racquet that you satisfy.

-- Connie.s
From: MTED356@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Is Becker really taking it easy ?
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:27:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

Hi guys,
 
The other day I had an argument with a friend of mine who said that Becker
wants to have the cake and eat it too. What he meant is that he wants to
maintain a rank in top ten with moderate practice and at the same time
enjoy life ie. going around with girls, keeping other interests, etc. I
feel his slide down the ATP ranking is more by force than by choice. May
be he is finding the pressure too much.
 
What do you all feel ?