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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ** SPOILERS ** Rascals -- the new all-time trek low
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.83305
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <BxByHJ.Mtn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Johnson) writes:
]In article <lfipqtINN6jk@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> martins@amanda.Eng.Sun.COM (Martin Sodos) writes:
]>Spoilers on Rascals follow ...
]>
]
]>7. Allowing aging to be removed by having the trasporter delete
]>a well defined base-pair sequence is not only hokey, but
]>opens multiple cans of worms on the immortality possibilities
]>(which will undoubtedly be completely forgotten in upcoming
]>episodes).

Wait, wouldn't they have to have a sample taken from the subject at the age
he/she wanted to change to? I mean, becoming a child again could be cumbersome
in addition to being fun. After all, you would have to wait several years 
until you aged enough to be able to continue your career. Somebody made the
claim that you could use this transporter trick to become 25 again, but I 
don't agree because of what I had in my first sentence. Of course, it could 
become a trend in the future. Someone at age 25 saves his/her pattern and
waits 50 yrs before getting young again.

]>
]>MS
]
]	There WAS an episode in the first season of Next Gen in which an
]admiral drank a potion to make him young again--lucky for the present
]bunch of writers that that guy died at the end, otherwise we'd have him
]back in a future episode to try out the transporter-RVNA procedure.
]-- 

The admiral died because he od'd on the stuff by taking the whole dosage
(and his wife's) all at once. You were supposed to take the potion in small
doses over a period of years. The potion was very rare and the only reason
why the admiral got it was because he had done something for the people who
made it and they reluctantly agreed. There were other problems with it but
I can't remember right now.

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From: evans@ece.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: SPOILERS!!New Episode
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:22:19 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


















The last new episode was again a rehash of the old Star Trek.
This one involves the holodeck, where Worf is sherrif and must
fight off Data disguised in various other roles, and one of 
them is female.  Similar plot to the old trek where
Kirk, Spock,McCoy and Chekov are back in Tombstone to fight
at the OK Corral.  REAL WEAK!!!!  Someone should inform the
producers to get their own storyline and stop trying to 
repackage the old ones.
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ---< Fistful o' Datas >--- Synopis & *Spoilers*
Summary: Sheesh!
Keywords: SPOILERS  LAME  HOLODECK CHEAP-SHOT SUCKS
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov10.073856.11079@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
>I'd reckon there be spoilers here,....sir


> parts that Worf requested.  Within 1.5 hrs, Worf creates, from a
> communicator, 

Gee, if Worf had a communicator, why couldn't he contact the transporter
room and get them out of there?  Computer malfuncion?  How convieeeenent! ;-)

I guess I'll have to wait till Saturday to see the lame excuse, err, episode
for myself.

Terry ";-)" Wood
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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: A Lament. A big damned Lament.
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:16:37 GMT

pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Johnson) writes:

Just in case


>	In "Rascals", the transporter once again reconstructed the four
>characters with their memories and mind intact.  It was the transporter
>which overcame the loss of the characters' "RVNA" and reconstructed them as
>children.
>	It is a tribute to the designers of the transporter that it can
>adapt to unforeseen situations, rescuing the bodies and minds of
>transportees IN SPITE OF the unusual circumstances.  Its safety record
>remains unblemished.

Not only that, but where did the 40% reduction of mass go? When they "grew
up", where did the transporter get the mass back?

Seem great that with a totally invalid matrix with which to form the
matter stream against, the transporter was smart enuff to now _exactly_
how to recreate the transportees as kids... Heck, it even knew which side
Picard parted his hair!
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Is Starfleet Military...no.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:28:57 GMT



This was discussed at the recent Creation Con here in Omaha by Richard Arnold.

The idea of Starfleet and the UFP being military was once addressed to
Gene Roddenberry while on a cruise ship during the early days of the Star
Trek 25th Anniversary Celebration.  Gene Roddenberry became very angered
when someone asked this...the person was an "Ensign" in a fan club, and
an "Admiral" yelled at the "ensign" for speaking out of turn..and Gene
Roddenberry proceeded to explain to the "Admiral" that Starfleet and 
Star Trek were NOT military.  Gene Roddenberry became very angered and before
the situation got out of hand, I believe, Peter Lauritson took the microphone
from Roddenberry and asked the "Admiral":  This is a cruise ship...with 
a Captain and a First Officer...is this ship military?  A very good question
and I think it settled the conflict.  
I think this kind of ends the subject if Starfleet is military.  Then you
ask, "Why the weapons?"  Richard Arnold proceeded to answer..."For defensive
purposes".  


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From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (she listens like her head's on fire..)
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Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts on "Rascals" (Spoilers)
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:14:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <19045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes...
>
> 
>

Stuff deleted.

> 
>The biggest blooper we saw in the show was at the end, when young
>Picard went through the transporter and re-emerged as old Picard,
>to be consistent with the first transformation, Picard's uniform 
>should have burst at the seams. In other words, when they were
>changed into kids, they were still wearing grown-up uniforms, but
>when Picard changed into a grownup again, his uniform changed. This
>obviously saves Picard's (and Patrick Stewart's) dignity (can you
>picture him appearing wearing just the tatters of a uniform which
>he has exploded out of?), but it is a major inconsistency.

argh! they put the kids back into their original baggy uniforms before
sending them through the transporter. there is no inconsistancy there.



>Richard Darsie
>darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu
From: fcm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fraser Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Lists of Lists
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:32:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

Can anyone tell me where I can get hold of the TOS and Movies lists of lists?

Downloading them from US bulletin boards is an impossibility, so if I can FTP them
from somewhere, or a kind Trekker can mail them to me... :-)

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From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals: Kanamorites have missed the point again...
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:49:17 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Nov10.052053.16007@hubcap.clemson.edu> charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>
>>In article <1992Nov8.211949.13852@hubcap.clemson.edu>, charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>>>>We were watching it in residence Friday night and we all LOVED it!
>>>>It was FUNNY!! 
>>> 
>>> Right ... but that's about all it had going for it. ;-)
>>> 
>>>>Star Trek does not HAVE to be perfectly consistent and serious all the time -
>>>>it is ENTERTAINMENT!
>>> 
>>> Yes, but don't you expect it to be *reasonably* thought out instead of using 
>>> a very slight variation on one of ST:TAS's episodes?  (remember the one where
>>> the crew got turned to children?)
>
>>Ummmm...no, actually I don't.  Refresh my memory, please.  I'd thought I'd seen
>>'em all, and read a good amount of literatur-I can recall a story where Kirk,
>>Spock, and some Klingons were turned into women, but never children.  Hmmm...
>
>TAS = The *Animated* series ... I seem to recall one where they hit some sort
>of reverse-aging field and the crew started getting younger.

Close.  
It was an opposite universe that the Enterprise reached by going into
a black hole (dying star) and coming out of a new star on the other side.
People were born "old" and died at the end of their lives as babies.
No, I am not making this up!! :-)

All living things on the Enterprise grew young at a fast rate and the
ship was saved by an elderly couple as the rest of the crew became 
small children.  Totally realistic compared to "Rascals"

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From: tpenning@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas R Pennington)
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Subject: Re: Star Trek V TUDC? What The?
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:44:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Nov5.174435.9187
Organization: The Ohio State University
 writes:

If you seen my later posting, I said I was sorry for the TYPE-O, which is what
it was. Okay                                             ^^^^^^
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From: gcs@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg C. Steiner)
Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts on "Rascals" (Spoilers)
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:45:27 GMT


>Picard went through the transporter and re-emerged as old
>Picard, to be consistent with the first transformation,
>Picard's uniform  should have burst at the seams. In other
>words, when they were changed into kids, they were still
>wearing grown-up uniforms, but when Picard changed into a
>grownup again, his uniform changed. This changed into kids,
>they were still wearing grown-up uniforms, but when Picard
>changed into a grownup again, his uniform changed. This
>obviously saves Picard's (and Patrick Stewart's) dignity (can
>you picture him appearing wearing just the tatters of a uniform
>which he has exploded out of?), but it is a major
>inconsistency.  

A plausible work around...
They had a tailored uniform in another transporter buffer.  They 
slipped it on him while still in the transporter.

Yeah, that's the ticket! 8-)
From: dn15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas Lee Nigen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascals Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:00:53 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This may be a stupid question but since the BoP is clocked why can't they
just beam a bording party abord the Enterprise?  This would give the
Enterprise less time to react.


Doug.
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From: scott.schram@the-matrix.com (Scott Schram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals SPOILERS
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: scott.schram@the-matrix.com (Scott Schram)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016


CS>According to felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling):
CS>>I don't think his line about being Wesley Crusher's roommate was something
CS>>Picard would say.  That just seemed to jump out at me.

CS>I think it would.  He respects Wesley, but the idea of being his peer...
CS>>Oh look, there are Ferengis materializing on the bridge! Let's wait for
CS>>them to fully materialize before we even think about drawing a phaser...

What does his appearance and size have to do with his ability to
command? Supposedly, everyone is well adjusted and it doesn't matter
what a person looks like (at least after they get used to it.)

It seems like this would be a good way to replace an actor that asked
for too big of a raise!

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Date: Sun,  8 Nov 1992 05:40:04 -0500 
From: Regan Merante <rm5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Guinan
	<1992Nov8.052844.27911@mercury.cair.du.edu>

To skip the redundancies I won't (mainly because I can't) repeat all
previous articles on the following subject:

Is Guinan a time lord?

My guess would be ...No.

In "Time's Arrow I"  she tells Picard that he must accompany the away
team or they may never meet. (paraphrased to prevent phlames ;) 

My guess is that Picard saved her life in the cave (Part II) by staying
behind and enabling Mark Twain to return to them and seek assistance.

Furthermore if Picard hadn't gone, he wouldn't have left the message in
Data's head and they'd all be dead; but this has nothing to do with the
question at hand.

If Guinan was then helped by doctors in the 19th century and she were a
time lord, wouldn't she avoid contact with doctor's to prevent the
discovery of her second heart.

Stethoscopes (sp?) I think were around then and the detection would be
very easy.

I welcome responses in the newsgroup. Not to this address because I am
borrowing it, since mine is temporarily down

thanks
Greg

gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu  <-- at least when we're up!
From: abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 22:41:54 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

Can someone tell me if Picard married and had children?
What happened to them?

Arun Bhalla

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From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Rescals"
Organization: CIRES, University of Colorado
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:16:40

In article <griffita.721295053@sfu.ca> griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths) writes:

I'm weaping big tears for this sometimes excellant show, now seemingly
hitting rock-bottom this season, just when they're so popular that
they must have thousands of terrific, low-cost scripts. Instead their
running scripts that look like they were written by committee.

Not to second guess the might Captain Picard, but if I was him, one
minute after the Ferengi were off the ship I would have Riker shot,
get Worf a job as a secutity guard in a mall, and rent Data to a bank
as an automated teller machine. And it would be a good thing that
Picard was young again, he'd be able to start another career after
Starfleet stripped him of rank in dishonor after his ship was taken
over by two dinky Klingon surplus ships after getting off one shot.

I'm used to TNG streaching things for the plot, but this was just too
much to bear. What really kills me is that they could have used this
plot and had almost the same episode with just a few modifications,
and had a great episode. How about instead of a fountain of youth, the
accident changes them in the same way, but Bev discovers that they
will never grow this time. That would give them a lot more incentive
to try and become adults again!

I sure hope they do at least one good episode this season. Next week's
looks sad. I have to wonder why Picard hasn't had Jordie rip out the
holodeck and put in a swimming pool. It would be a lot safer!
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From: mary@fresh-and-fruity.ai.mit.edu (Mary S. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "Nightshade" -- new TNG novel
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:55:41 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fresh-and-fruity.ai.mit.edu

The latest Next Generation novel, number 24, is out.

Title: "Nightshade" 
By:    Laurell K. Hamilton

Some comments with microscopic plot spoilers follow:-

I thought this book was most disappointing.  The plot was adequate,
though by no means good, but the prose was *bad*.  It amazes me that
Pocket brings out TNG novels of this quality.  Surely they must make
enough profit to pay for better authors or a more diligent editor?

On the positive side, Laurell Hamilton does appear to be reasonably
familiar with the characters.  The portrayal of Troi and Worf,
including their attitude toward each other, seems largely consistent
with the show.  It's not precisely how I view the characters, but it's
reasonable.

But unless you are a devoted Worf fan, or a devoted Troi fan, or
desperate to have a complete collection of the TNG novels, save your
$5-50 and skip buying this one.


Mary Soon Lee    (mary@ai.mit.edu)
From: gcs4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gregory Carl Seibert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascals: Did I miss something?
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:31:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I just saw Rascals in the Philadelphia area, and I feel like I missed a
    few things.  First, half of the scenes that were in the previews weren't
    even in the episode.  Second, how did the Ferengi get onto the Enterprise.
     Did my local station skip a few scenes to stick in commercials, or did
     the writers just screw up?  Someone please clue me in.
                                                G.C.
                                                gcs4@ns2.cc.lehigh.edu

                                                
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From: bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk
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Subject: The Borg...........
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:27:44 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology




Is it true that the Borg returned for an episode in season five called "I,
Borg", or something????


if so, can someone send me a synopsis of the episode...pleeeze...






(in case you're wondering, i've only seen up till BOBW part 2, and have seen
Unification...........


I know.....us poor brits...............





g.
From: pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Johnson)
Subject: Re: ** SPOILERS ** Rascals -- the new all-time trek low
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:12:54 GMT

In article <lfipqtINN6jk@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> martins@amanda.Eng.Sun.COM (Martin Sodos) writes:
>Spoilers on Rascals follow ...
>

>7. Allowing aging to be removed by having the trasporter delete
>a well defined base-pair sequence is not only hokey, but
>opens multiple cans of worms on the immortality possibilities
>(which will undoubtedly be completely forgotten in upcoming
>episodes).
>
>MS

	There WAS an episode in the first season of Next Gen in which an
admiral drank a potion to make him young again--lucky for the present
bunch of writers that that guy died at the end, otherwise we'd have him
back in a future episode to try out the transporter-RVNA procedure.
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From: a434amid@cdf.toronto.edu (Rudy Amid)
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Subject: Whoopie Goldberg Show invites ST:TNG actors?
Date: 8 Nov 1992 19:01:27 -0600
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility

   Has Whoopie Goldberg ever invited any of the actor/actress from ST:TNG
and talk one-to-one?  It'll be very interesting to see  her with Patrick
Stewart.

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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Bev's new 'doo!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:30:36 GMT

Actually, speaking of her _hair_, it does look like they changed the
style recently...and I like it!  She's looking sweet...:)

Mike
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From: rob@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Rob Knauerhase)
Subject: Fistful of Datas - not bad, considering...
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:11:14 GMT

Well, tonight was the _Fistful of Datas_ episode.  It wasn't bad, wasn't bad
at all considering what else we've had this season.  Brent Spiner did a good
job at his multiple roles, though they weren't as diverse as I'd have hoped.
Technobabble was minimized as well, leaving me with the impression that I'd
rather not have things explained to me than explained poorly.

Two quickie minor spoiler nuggets follow:


How can you hate an episode that includes "Ode To Spot"?  Well, OK, _Schisms_
was bad, but adding "Ode to Spot" to another episode was a great touch IMHO.

And the Enterprise riding off into the sunset.  Cheesy, but very appropriate
considering the Western spoof that the whole episode was.

Rob
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