HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davidmh@is.su.edu.au (David Martin Hill)
Subject: Re: Royal Jelly
Followup-To: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
Organization: University of Sydney
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:15:02 GMT

In article <99.2af45107@forthd.uucp>, clays@forthd.uucp wrote:
> 
> Does anyone out there have information regarding the potential
> medical benefits of Royal Jelly?

I have been reading the pstings following this article, and I am very
UNlearned on the subject, but I have read a great deal about how wonderful
Royal Jelly is, and how it contains almost every amino acid known to man
and needed by man to do all the wonderful things fit healthy and active
people need to do...

Is this all just marketing hype to make us buy an expensive supplement
which someone has taken the quantum leap of "works on bees - must work on
humans" for??

David M Hill
University of Sydney
davidmh@is.su.edu.au
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss with Dexfenfluramine
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:50:04 GMT

In <1992Nov16.143557.10638@ms.uky.edu> jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:

>In article <hank.721700152@well.sf.ca.us> hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts) writes:
>>In <1992Nov13.185315.14960@ms.uky.edu> jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:
>>
>>>And you haven't shown us the *FACTS* that indicate lipid profile is an
>>>accurate indicator of caloric intake or change in caloric intake for
>>>an individual. 
>>See Section VII of Weintraub, et al., beginning at p. 634, for their results.
>>"Compared with baseline, triglyceride levels decreased significantly by 21%,
>>31%, 29% and 29% at weeks 34, 54, 104, and 139, respectively.... triglyceride
>>levels at week 34 were significantly (_p_ < 0.025) less in the participants
>>treated with anorexiants. Overall, participants in the long-term weight
>>control study had beneficial changes in their lipid profiles, thus decreasing
>>their risk of coronary heart disease. (Clin. Pharmacol. Ther. 1992;51:634-41)
>>
>>That's from the abstract of Section VII, titled "Serum lipid changes" --CPT
>>may be available at a medical library if you wish further detail on this.

>I'm not not going to waste anymore bandwidth on this. You obviously do not
>understand that the above data IN NO WAY proves that a lipid profile is
>an accurate indicator of caloric intake, or changes in caloric intake, for
>a given individual.

>-- 
>[]  J. Randall Thompson                                      jrt@kcr.uky.edu []
>[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []

"The above data" certainly do not prove IN ANY WAY anything.  If you
will refer to the paper -- and note that one of the stated main goals
of the four-year program was to investigate what happens to lipids during
weight changes -- you will see that some lipids did (and others did not)
vary along with weight.  I regret that I can't post the charts here for you.

The lipid studies were of major interest to the writers, and deserve to
be read in the original; they are interesting and suggestive of further
possible investigation, at least.
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Deprenyl
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:05:39 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

| According to
| Bob Yazz, one or two tablets a month is part of the Durk 'n Sandy Shaw
| (Life Extension) recipe for a longer life (for what that's worth!)

Close but no cigar; 1 or 2 5mg tablets a week, not a month.  (Presumably,
the NEJM rats who lived to 150% of their maximum lifespan found it worth
something.  (:-{)> )

| One issue with selegiline is that it is metabolized to l-methamphetamine
| and l-amphetamine, both of which achieve significant levels, and these
| both have effects on dopamine reuptake and release.

In 10mg/week doses, these "illegal metabolites" are significant only to
urine screeners and those affected by them.

By the way, what is the interaction between fluoxetine & deprenyl that
Gordon mentioned?

Best Wishes

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 

Welcome to Sci.med -- where-school-of-thought bashing is as old as
sickness itself.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak)
Subject: Re: Circumcisions as Medical Fraud
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:23:10 GMT
Keywords: circsn

In article <1992Nov19.213502.4916@ms.uky.edu> jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:
>As the father of two circumcised boys (the last 6weeks ago) you might
>be interested to know the cost was $60 - hardly a money maker for the MD.
>Also, the choice *is* a personal decision for the parents to make;

It's a shame our society accepts mutilation of our children so easily.
At least we don't clip our children's ears to make them more aestetically
pleasing, but I guess that's what ear piercing is for.
-- 
Mark Nowak                          | By means of the easy and the simple we
SWM, 25, 5'11", seeking SF ...      | grasp the laws of the whole world.  When
Chicago, Illinois                   | the laws of the whole world are grasped,
INTERNET: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com    | therein lies perfection. - I Ching
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Circumcisions as Medical Fraud
Organization: Inst. de Recherche et Coordination Acoustique/Musique, Paris
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:05:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.221232.2101@ms.uky.edu> jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.142604.21021@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markn@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak) writes:
>
>>Ritualized mutilation is still mutilation even if it is socially
>>accepted.  And we think we're so superior to "savage" tribes living
>>in the jungles of third world countries.
>>-- 
>>Mark Nowak                          | By means of the easy and the simple we
>>SWM, 25, 5'11", seeking SF ...      | grasp the laws of the whole world.  When
>>Chicago, Illinois                   | the laws of the whole world are grasped,
>>INTERNET: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com    | therein lies perfection. - I Ching
>
>Of course, you are right. I guess the reason we got a good deal on
>the circumcison was because the medicine man used a sharpened stone
>to do the procedure and then later used the removed tissue as
>a sacrafice.

How stone-agey. I had a cryopreservation team immediately reattach
with micro-robot waldoes all the veins and arteries of my prepuce upon
detachment to cryo-preservation fluids so that upon my my demise I
could be regenerated wholly by a computer-mediated macro-protein
sequenator based on the extended kirlean fields from the fleshy
protuberance. At worst, I could have my brain and spinal cord
enveloped in the teased and tissue-cultured cellular D-aminomatrix
until such time as a Theodore, Simon, and Alvin Toffler - inspired
Post-Past shock treatment could condense my physical presence around
the primitive neo-chordate-like organism. Some have hypothesized that
in the future, mood-ring oscillators won't be enough to generate human
beings from non-erectile penis flesh, but who are we pre post-past
beings to make judgements on what possibly couldn't not happen.

As for the arty femorality of non-erectile penile flesh 'reduction'
surgery performed on himfants, I suspect it is merely a fig-newton of
force that our cult-ture of phallocentrality wants to exert in the
direction of 'more is best'. After all, I suspect that not all
cry-and-hue-men want to be initiated into the heady world of docking.
And I don't mean your father's Chris-Craft. Or do I?

(translation of the last phrases' double-entendres available from your
nearest au courant homosexual.)
-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: gnat@stein.u.washington.edu (L Boyd)
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
Subject: Re: Computers in Medicine.
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:27:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.042739.21584
Organization: University of Washington

bt402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Merbil R. Gonzalez) writes:


>I am a third year medical student that is highly interested in
>computers. Are there any residency programs available that mix
>these two fields of science?


There is an NIH post-doctoral fellowship that will allow you to study
Medical Information Systems (you don't get a degree) with the intent
of teaching computer applications when you're done.  It's a two year
program.

If you're interested, e-mail me and I will try to find specifics.  I
believe I read about it in an NIH fellowship bulletin.


******************************************************************************
Lauren Boyd					Department of Otolaryngology
Systems Analyst/Programmer			University of Washington, RL-30
*Go Huskies*					Seattle, Washington  98195
******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
From: dsonntag@cc.utah.edu
Subject: Clinton and health-care reform
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:45:43 MDT

TO:     Clinton-Gore Committee (CLINTON-GORE-DOM)
        112 West Third Street
        Little Rock, AR 72201

        Domain Name: CLINTON-GORE.ORG

        Administrative Contact:
        Krause, Bill  (BK87)  billk@CLINTON-GORE.ORG
        (501) 372-1992
FROM:   David M. Sonntag, MSPH
SUBJ:   An open letter to President-Elect Clinton:

CC:     Cross-posted to several internet Lists, usenet groups, local
newspapers,
        several special interest groups in the .org domain, and
        billk@CLINTON-GORE.ORG

Mr. President:

I would like to congratulate you on your victory in the recent election.
While I did not vote for you, I, like many in the country, feel hopeful
that your administration will indeed bring new ideas, and with them,
new changes.  Change does not come easily.  It requires all of us to
commit ourselves to do what we know is right for the country.

You have spoken of the need to reform our health-care system, and I sincerely
hope that your administration will be able to do so.  

I am an Industrial Hygienist, working to prevent occupational and environmental
health hazards from causing unnecessary burdens on our human and economic

resources.  In my daily work, I constantly strive to minimize workers' 
exposure to toxic substances in the working environment.  And yet, the
same workers will go on break, and light up their tobacco, exposing 
themselves and others to levels of carbon monoxide, benzene, and many other
toxics, at levels well in excess of what the Occupational Safety and Health
Administration has established as working Permissible Exposure Limits (PELs).

Thus, I was deeply troubled when I saw a picture of you playing golf with a
cigar between your teeth.  Sir, I believe that you can offer a wonderful
role-model to our nation, and the world, by publicly commiting to quit
smoking.  If more people would quit smoking, the savings to our health-care
system would be immense.  I believe that your public example would be
an important statement from your administration that would reflect highly
your commitment to make positive changes in our healthcare system.

I look forward to your acceptance of this challenge.

Truly,

David M. Sonntag, MSPH (MS, Public Health)
Clearfield, Utah
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Considering Logitech trackball; any opinions?
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:35:47 GMT

For my home system, I'm about to replace the mouse with a trackball.
My current first choice is the Logitech Trackman, which is basically
hand-shaped, and is unlike any other trackball I've seen in that the
ball is operated by the thumb, while the rest of the hand remains
motionless, effectively "wrapped around" the upper portion of the
device.

Does anybody know of any potential negative aspects of this particular
device?  Specifically, will I end up with a sore thumb in another six
months because all my trackball motion is with the thumb?  My initial
test drives of the device show it to be very comfortable, and easy to
use, but the new thumb motion takes some getting used to.

My gut instinct tells me this is at least as good as, if not better than,
any other trackball design I've seen.  But I thought I'd fish for responses
here before committing myself to the $70 purchase...

-- 
Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,
"There's nothing quite like watching your most recent          |    /oo \
crush, and your second-most recent crush, rushing into         |    <>__|
each others' arms..."  --- Miss Almira Gulch                   |    |  U|
From: dwallach@linus.cs.berkeley.edu (Dan Wallach)
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
Subject: Re: Sparc Footpedals
Date: 24 Nov 1992 02:29:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: linus.cs.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Sparc, Footpedals

In article <1992Nov23.191627.6429@HQ.Ileaf.COM> msd@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Michael Daitzman x3262) writes:
>
>Is anyone aware of any footpedals that mimic mouse buttons for SPARC 
>workstations?

Well, the Kinesis keyboard comes with up to two footpedals.  As soon
as they release their Sparc version, this could be a good starting
point.  You could probably do something truly messy with xmodmap to
turn your virtual keyboard keys into mouse buttons.

It wouldn't be *terribly* difficult to hack together yourself.  Start
with a standard Radio Shack footpedal.  Get the pinout of the mouse
cable, and insert in the appropriate place.  Getting the pinout is
probably the only hard part.


Dan
--
Dan Wallach               "One of the most attractive features of a Connection
dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu  Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces
Office#: 510-642-9585     of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48.
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
From: halberst@world.std.com (jerry halberstadt)
Subject: Re: Considering Logitech trackball; any opinions?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:11:37 GMT

Personally, I would expect my thumb to get very sore using the Logitech,
but I have not tried it. 

I have been looking into mouse alternatives because of the pain generated
by using the mouse.  There are many alternatives including joy-sticks,
graphic tablets, and track balls. I went for the mouse-trak and am just
beginning to work with it. I like a track ball because I can roll it under
my whole hand instead of working with just the fingers. I believe that the
looser I work and the larger the body part doing the motion, the less stres
and eventually the more control and precision.  I found the graphic tablet
about 30% of the pain that the mouse gave. The mouse-trak is good but I
will probably run a switch so I can use the other hand or a foot to control
the clicker -- holding the switch down while manipulating the cursor is not
a good idea for me. A track ball also allows me to switch hands for relief.

The current issue of Windows Magazine: Dec. 1992 reviews 16 pointer
devices; use it as a starting point in evaluating such devices.

Hope this helps.

jerry

-- 
Jerry Halberstadt	New Technology Publishing, Inc.
POB 9183: c/o Mailboxes Etc.(#110)
955 Mass. Ave., Cambridge MA 02139 USA
617-661-3851		halberst@world.std.com
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
From: dsonntag@cc.utah.edu
Subject: Evaluation of carbonless paper
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:43:41 MDT

I have an extensive file I have collected on carbonless paper, having
done several indoor-air quality evaluations involving them.  I can
send a copy of a literature review and summary of chemical content to
anyone who is interested.  I won't post it to the group since it
runs about 4-5 typed pages.
	
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
From: msd@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Michael Daitzman x3262)
Subject: Sparc Footpedals
Keywords: Sparc, Footpedals
Reply-To: msd@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Michael Daitzman x3262)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:16:27 GMT


Is anyone aware of any footpedals that mimic mouse buttons for SPARC 
workstations?

Thanks,

Michael.
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
From: scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Scot Silverstein MD)
Subject: Re: Computers in Medicine.
Followup-To: sci.med.occupational
Organization: Yale University, Center for Medical Informatics
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:51:21 GMT

In article <1ec5d3INNqnm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bt402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Merbil R. Gonzalez) wrote:
> 
> 
> I am a third year medical student that is highly interested in
> computers. Are there any residency programs available that mix
> these two fields of science?
 
There are NIH-sponsored post-doctoral fellowships in medical informatics.
Most but not all look for persons who have completed residency.

More information can be obtained from the National Library of Medicine
in Bethesda, Md.  Call them and ask for the Extramural Programs section.

Good luck.

-- SS
From: bt402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Merbil R. Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
Subject: Computers in Medicine.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:14:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am a third year medical student that is highly interested in
computers. Are there any residency programs available that mix
these two fields of science?

Thanks in advance,
M. Gonzalez
-- 
Merbil Gonzalez     Internet:M_GONZALEZ@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU
                             bt402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
From: n9ljx@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Stembaugh)
Subject: Re: Considering Logitech trackball; any opinions?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 02:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.143547.472@resonex.com> michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:
>For my home system, I'm about to replace the mouse with a trackball.
>My current first choice is the Logitech Trackman, which is basically
>hand-shaped, and is unlike any other trackball I've seen in that the
>ball is operated by the thumb, while the rest of the hand remains
>motionless, effectively "wrapped around" the upper portion of the
>device.
>
>Does anybody know of any potential negative aspects of this particular
>device?  Specifically, will I end up with a sore thumb in another six
>months because all my trackball motion is with the thumb?  My initial
>test drives of the device show it to be very comfortable, and easy to
>use, but the new thumb motion takes some getting used to.
>
>My gut instinct tells me this is at least as good as, if not better than,
>any other trackball design I've seen.  But I thought I'd fish for responses
>here before committing myself to the $70 purchase...
>
>-- 
>Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,
>"There's nothing quite like watching your most recent          |    /oo \
>crush, and your second-most recent crush, rushing into         |    <>__|
>each others' arms..."  --- Miss Almira Gulch                   |    |  U|

I use the Logitech here at work and the only problem was an occasional stiff
wrist. I have found a block of very stiff foam rubber the same height as a
keyboard wrist rest and use it in front od the trakball. It allows the heal
of my hand to rest on it, NOT my wrist, therefore keeping all things in a
straight line. This has eliminated the stiffness. This foam rubber came out
of some packing that was headed for the trash...'One man's garbage is another
man's treasure' :-)

If I were to need a similar device for home I would dfinately go with the
trakball. 

--scott
-- 
Scott Stembaugh - N9LJX           internet: n9ljx@ecn.purdue.edu
Operations Supervisor, ADPC       phone:    317 494 7946 
Purdue University
West Lafayette, IN 47907-1061
From: micjrs@mica.mic.ki.se (Richard Soderberg, MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Pos/Neg Benefits of CO2 in pop (soda)
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:13:06 GMT
Organization: The Karolinska Institute, Sweden
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
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X-XXDate: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:22:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.120103.12580@hemlock.cray.com> Jim Knoll,
n3022@cray.com writes:
>..............  Specifically, it seems that if the body gives off CO2
>when we exhale, it makes sense that to drink carbonated beverages with
>CO2 could be less than beneficial to the human body.
The amount of CO2 absorbed from a Carbonated Drink must be completely 
insignificant compared to the amounts of CO2 generated by the ever ongoing
oxidation of carbons in the body.(In the northern parts of Sweden there is
an expression which aptly describes the relation: " like a mosquito 
f*rt in a hurricane"). A general principle in the human body is to have
systems
with tremendous redundance and great regulatory stability. If you
consider smoking,
the surprising thing with it is not the fact that it kills you if you
do'nt die
from something else first but the fact that it often takes several
decades to commit
suicide with cigarettes. As for O2, the transfer of it across the
gastrointestinal
membranes must be homeopathic to say the least compared to the transfer
across the 
alveolar membranes in the lung. In fact, after a passage through a
healthy lung
the blood has taken up all the oxygen it can carry. Most of the oxygen is 
transported in hemoglobin molecules where it is chemically bound, not
physically 
dissolved. Increasing  oxygen in the inhaled air will only slightly
increase the 
(small) fraction of O2 that is dissolved in plasma (which may be
beneficial to
patients with diseased or damaged lungs)
/RS
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: Is circumizing barbaric?
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:49:10 GMT

In <1992Nov21.222816.1780@pts1.pts.mot.com> schw_mi@pts.mot.com (Mike Schwarz) writes:


>I for one, think circumizing a infant is better than circumizing an Adult or an older

 And I suppose removing the appendix would also be simpler? :*)


         
>Oh, I forgot one question to the Medical Pros, If a man needs to be cath'ed through
>the penis or other procedures requiring entry through the penis, is the procedure
>more complex in an uncircumized man versus a circumized man.  What damage is caused
>by these procedures to the foreskin? 

 Micheal, that is the problem with men such as yourself circumcised in infancy,
you have not the slightest knowledge of how a normal penis works.
I'll get you haven't a clue.. if you did you wouldn't raise such, well
less than knowledgable questions.

The difficulty is you are not alone, most peds.. the old guys in particular
haven't a clue either. They rush to rip the foreskin from the glans,
believing it has not be retracted. Take my word for it nature knows best.

>---

--
I               Gary Davis Dpt. of Electrical Engineering
                University of Vermont
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Summary of evidence for homeopathy
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:05:06 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Nov16.211637.29491@sr.com> dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow) writes:
>Ok, let me say I don't *know* homeopathy works but I had the flu last
>week and bought a flu hom. remedy that's been on the market for years.
>It's a weird name that I forget how to spell, starts with an Occ I think.

Very unlikely you had the flu.  Influenza hasn't really started up yet
this winter.  Probably a minor virus, many of which only last a day or
two.  This has happened to me before also, and I never take any medication
for viruses.
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