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From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Summary: yeah, me!
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:54:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I am not a Baptist, I am a baptized Greek (Eastern) Orthodox
christian.  Our theological beliefs are VERY different from the
radical breakaway groups from Western Christianity, especially
Baptists.  I amnot saying that we are better, just different;
for example....


We do not accept "Speaking in tongues" as a common occurence during
religious experiences and we view it more as a monkey see monkey do
phenomenon.

We do not view Revelation as a true propecy of the end times and
we view 666 as having nothing to do with the Anti-Christ, but rather
view it in relation to Nero Ceaser whom that section of Revelation
is referring to.  The whole 666/Satan/Heavy Metal phenomenon is really
a gross misinterpretation of the true meaning of that book.

We have 9 more books in our old Testament

Our goal as Christians is to achieve Theosis, to become Christ-like
beings thru his grace and the Sacraments.

We venerate icons and view them as representations of events and
beings in Heaven.

We are the continuation of the church as established by Christ
and the apostles two thousand years ago.

The list goes on and on...those are just a few that I could think of
right off the top of my head.

See ya!


--
Steven C. Salaris                We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew
salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu         and their stupid use of foul language because
				 we have ideas.  We have a philosophy.
					      Geoff Tate -- Queensryche
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Randy Stonehill Question
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:07:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <1992Jul23.213100.4381@amgen.com> chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>In article <22JUL92.08279388.0013@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
>>
>> In article <geOYCha00WB7892G8g@andrew.cmu.edu> st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) writes:
>What about this?  Are you saying that you think Equator was released on CD?
>If so, can anyone confirm this?  I'm a diehard Stonehill fan, and have long
>wished to get his first five albums on CD.  His first album is a classic.
>If anyone has ANY info regarding Randy Stonehill's first five albums pressed
>onto CD's, please post or email!
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Chris S.

Quote from the CD booklet with UWHW:

"Also for the first time, these classic Stonehill albums on compact
disc:
[in all caps:] EQUATOR, CELEBRATE THIS HEARTBEAT, and LOVE BEYOND
REASON."


--J.
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From: u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re: U2 uses padding?! Horrors!
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:28:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.234412.1012@pictel.com>, harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
> 
> In article <63929@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
> [From an unattributed article:]
> >>>I saw U2, who supposedly only played stuff that the
> >four of them could reproduce in concert.  However, the drummer had on 
> >a set of headphones, presumably for the express purpose of being able to hear
> >the click tracks on the musical 'padding' they were using.

      Maybe, but Larry Mullen may not be using headphones just for the click tracks.
I use headphones while drumming, but not for click tracks, I find it better to hear
other members of the band play. It's much better for your hearing than having a stack
sitting right behind (or nearby pointed in your general direction) or monitor turned
right up. I eventually got sick of having my ears ring after playing, and I have been
worried about my hearing.

              The DOK
From: gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:22:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul28.180114.7252@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
> Ever feel like you can't win?  People gripe when posters disagree
> with one another, and then other folks gripe when, miracle of
> miracles, it appears that most people actually agree on something.

  Wasn't griping, just making an observation. You'll notice that, unless
  you consider conservative a cutdown.

> >Has anybody heard anything else on Mark Heard? I've never really
> >got into him, but it seems I missed some really good stuff.
  
> There's a lot of really good stuff.  My favorites are "Victims of the
> Age," "Dry Bones Dance," and "Satellite Sky," but I don't think
> you can really go wrong with anything he's released.  
   
Thanks for the info, but what I meant was, how was he doing medical wise?

Bill

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From: lranton@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Lorie Ranton)
Subject: Re: Album Review:  Connie Scott:  "Live to Tell"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:57:47 GMT


Just a short note to add to Steven Timm's review of Connie Scott's
latest release "Live to Tell".

The song "Healing Waters" was written by, and originally recorded by
M.Mister on their 1987 release titled "Go On". It's a great album (I have
it in cassette, LP, and CD version!). CCM Magazine did a cool article on 
Mr Mister shortly after "Go On" was released.

_Laurie
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From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
Subject: Re: violet burning's strength: review
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:29:40 GMT

Just a plug (kind of cross-pollinating from the Vineyard thread)...

The violet's lead singer is the worship leader on one of the Vineyard
"Touching The Father's Heart" series disks.  Sorry, I don't know which one.

Also, Shawn Tubbs performs 4 of the 12 tracks on Classical Vineyard, a
beautiful disk of Vineyard worship songs arranged for classical guitar.

-- Jon  (j-reid@uiuc.edu)
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy's "Time"
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:23:35 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <BrFtzw.4sy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ralthoff@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Rob Althoff) writes:
>I saw a video last night of Phil Keaggy doing a song called "Time".  At
>the end it said that it was put out in 1982 (and was, therefore, in the
>"classics" category, which is scary in and of itself).
>
>Could someone let me know on which album of his this song appeared?  I
>traveled to my local Christian bookstore this morning, but the earliest
>album of his that they had was a 1988 (which, I can only assume, will be
>a classic in a couple of years :) ).

I've got it on volume 2 of "How The West Was One"

You'll find it under "2nd Chapter of Acts," since it was a concert
album done with Phil and A Band Called David.

Offhand, I bought volume 2 from a stack of CD demos, never bothering to
notice that it is impossible to get one CD out of the set by itself
unless I find another demo.  Does anyone know how I can go about
getting JUST volume 1, so I can get the rest of the set?

--Jeffrey
hj46@lafayacs.bitnet
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From: paiz@Ingres.COM (OUR HOPE IS DEEPER THAN THE PAIN WE OFTEN FEEL)
Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
Summary: 
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Date: 29 Jul 92 18:57:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.175911.13870@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)                   writes...
>In article <84729@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul29.131711.2115@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>>
>These are all writers who are vocal about their Christian faith and who
>write amazingly well, in my opinion.  My guess is that none of them
>would wish to be affiliated with a CCL movement.  Anybody want to
>add to, comment on, or detract from the list?  
>>>tears).  Just to help you out some, the contemporary writers that
>>>I esteem most highly are Dillard, O'Connor, John Updike, Gabriel
>>>Garcia Marquez, Milan Kundera, Thomas Pynchon, and Graham Green.  
>>>Anybody willing to recommend something else along those lines?
>>>
>>
[alot of real good stuff deleted]


I LOVE this thread!!!!!!! I love reading great novels, but since I became a 
Christian 2 years ago, I haven't been able to find anything other Tolstoy, CS 
Lewis, Dostoevsky, and John Updike. Unfortunately, now I don't have the time
to read as often as I would like to, so if anyone would include a short review
of the books, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!!!



Erwin
paiz@ingres.com
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From: petra@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jeanne Allan Sawtelle)
Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's "Time"
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:29:40 GMT

In article <22JUL92.08048219.0013@lafibm.lafayette.edu> HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
>In article <1992Jul15.164219.26232@cs.rose-hulman.edu> anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson) writes:
>
>BTW, I once heard a friend tell me the story of how Phil lost his finger
>but I've never heard the real version from any other source?  Anyone
>know the story and care to tell me?
>
>--baboo

I went to one of his concerts many years ago (and would love to go to another,
if I ever could).  I remember him telling the story, and it had something to
do with a farm accident when he was 4 years old.  I don't remember any 
more.

		Jeanne


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petra@wpi.wpi.edu              | plain sadists, that's all" -Prof. Mary Hardell
Worcester Polytechnic Institute|                             CS department, WPI
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Warnke Ministries Info request
From: bdevilbi@uceng.UC.EDU (Brian Devilbiss)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:51:20 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

In article <seRBxdO00WcD8vjkYL@andrew.cmu.edu> Thomas Wesley Moyer <tm2o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> had planned on writing to Warnke Ministries for help in using that
>book and the concepts it contains in a massive effort to go down in this
>region this fall.  What I need to know is if and how Warnke Ministries
>has helped anybody out there, aside from just hearing the man's message.
> The Cornerstone article gave me the impression that the "Ministry" was
>just a massive, money grubbing pass-the-buck group....something that I
>want nothing to do with.  Or are there really people working for Mike
>that care and know what they are talking about?  Has anyone talked to
>any of these people and/or had info sent them from Warnke Ministries?

Impressions can be deceiving, so I'll wait till Judgement Day. I think it 
is important to get both sides of the issue before coming to a conclusion.
Read the Cornerstone article and read the posts that I'm in the process of
typing in, and look diligently for any and all related information. I forgot
to include this in my post so here is the address to Warnke Ministries, a 
good place to look for a complete view of the issue:

			Warnke Ministries
			672 Pleasant Hill Road
			P.O. Box 472
			Burgin, KY 40310
			(606) 748-9961


>This is incredibly important, and I feel this could be a massive
>stumbling block to something that the Lord has driven me to work on. 
>Any and all information would be more than welcome.

No question....I encourage all to seek the truth and share with the group what
they find.

BLD
From: meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Keith Green tribute.
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:26:11 GMT
Organization: Roadkills-R-Us

Out of the mouth of HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)):
>It's called "No Compromise" (I thought you'd never guess).  Yeah, it
>includes Margaret Becker, Michael Card, and as far as I remember,
>maybe even Petra.  I haven't heard it or heard anything about it,
>but I haven't heard that it's bad, so I guess it's not.  :)  Anyone
>have their two cents to add about it?

Strange - I have Keith's _No Compromise_ right here, and none
of those people are on it.  Danniebelle appears on many of the
songs, Matthew Ward on 2, and topnotch studio musicians appear
throughout.  On the one song not written by Keith or Melody,
_The Victor_ by Jamie Owens-Collins, Jamie, Anne (sic) Herring,
Matthew Ward, Steve Greisen, nelly Greisen, and a couple of
others people I never heard of sing.

It came out in '78 or '79.

And it's excellent.  With an awesome cover (I wish I had a large
painting of it like I once saw at someone's home).

-Miles
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re:  * Rage Of Angels *
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.050945.23278@javelin.sim.es.com>, JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT) writes:
> 
> 
> John R. Hiatt   JHIATT@GEMINI.SIM.ES.COM
> 
> 
Haven't I heard of you before?
       The DOK
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: mike wanke: lessons learned
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:39:30 GMT

i've appreciated the recent comments, especially the one about those who 
once carried axes who met Jesus, and now carry pencils instead (accountants).
Tabloid Christianity, Andrew (?) put it... When I get carried away from
.. i mean by, sensational conversions, it's probably because i don't think
i could ever be _that_ bad. There's a rather moving quote (so i find) 
in The Gulag Archipelago. unfortunately, i can't find it right now. basically,
solzhenitsyn explains all the evils of the KGB, and then comes to the
conclusion that 'the line between good and evil runs in the middle of my
heart,' or somgthing like that, coming to the conclusion that he has the
capacity to be just as evil and cruas his captors. It's common to
underestimate the evil of the natural human heart -- especially of my own.
Maybe that's part of what Paul had in mind when he wrote "Christ Jesus came 
into the world to save sinners -- of whom I am the wors(1 tim 1/15)

then again, maybe part of the reason for fascination in dramatic 
conversions is a fascination with evil.
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From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Ripoffs
Keywords: Weird Al, plus another thing
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:48:53 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Dan Harling writes:(>)

Stacey C. O'Brien writes:(>>)
>>There's one artist in
>>particular who rips whoever was on the charts that year, even using
>>the same synth sounds to do the same chord progressions to do the
>>same melodies....I can't believe he gets away with it!!

>And he does it brilliantly, if I may say so.  I don't generally like it
>when somebody changes words but leaves the music intact, this is
>because the music *as an artistic expression* is completely
>unoriginal.  However, people like Weird Al Yankovic *parody*
>contemporary music.  While parody requires a lot of imagination and
>creativity, a sign of its genius is how *closely* it resembles the
>original without losing its "parodic" (is that a word?) nature.

I agree!  I'm a big Weird Al fan, and the skill needed to produce such
an exact copy of a piece of music must be incredible.  I have heard 
"no-name" bands play other artists' songs at parties, dances, and the like,
and they usually come off sounding only remotely like the original.
Of course, he is doing a deliberate parody of the music and not the "ripping
off," or taking other peoples' music and claiming it's yours that there's 
been debate over.

I want him to cut an album parodying the Christian music industry!  It
would be hilarious.  He does "style" parodies as well as song parodies,
that is, making a new song in the distinctive style of a famous artist 
like the Beach Boys or the Police.

Speaking of the Police, I just heard a song on local Christian radio called
"Let the wind blow" or something like that.  Its style was 100% Sting.
Does anyone know any details about the song/artist?

Ernest Mueller
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bdonison@grover.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!)
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: LONG
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:23:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.055114.29080@techbook.com> kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen) writes:
>>>Well, I am not sure they do.  I repeat my point that the song is not
>>>the singer and deserves to be met on its own terms.
>>
>>How about this: 2 Corinthians: Chapter 6
>>
>>6:13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,)
>>be ye also enlarged.
>>
>>6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
>>fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
>>hath light with darkness?  6:15 And what concord hath Christ with
>>Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?  6:16 And
>>what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the
>>temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and
>>walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
>>
>>6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the
>>Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
>>
>>6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and
>>daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
>
>Yes, but you see, I don't think that listening to a piece of music
>has very much to do with being "yoked to unbelievers."  We are talking
>here about an artistic creation and our responses to it.  Because we
>are different people, we will respond in different ways.  The music
>will speak to us as individuals, and to some of us, it won't say
>anything at all.

First of all, I would tend to disagree.  While listening to "A" piece
of music is not considered "yoked", being addicted/craving/... might be?
The point of my posting the 5 verses was not to emphasise verse 14, I
think that verse 17 has a much stronger statement.  Look at the standard
that Paul has raised here, it is indeed a high standard.  Is it a sin
to desire to be able to live up to such a standard?

>My enjoying (or not enjoying) a song, a painting, a novel has very little
>to do with my "relationship" with its creator.
>
>  --Kim
>
>-- 
>kim@techbook.COM    Not affiliated with TECHbooks
>----------------------------------------------------------

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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Indigo Girls
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:00:27 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul28.050319.14786@pencom.com> meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV) writes:
>
>I've heard ***rumors*** that they are gay, but
>Atlanta wants to think everybody there is gay,
>so I don't know. 
>
>-Miles

Yeah, I can attest to this after living in metro Atlanta for eight years.
Everyone thinks everyone is gay. But I've moved out of that degradation to
Athens, where everyone only thinks everyone is bisexual...

[yes - that's sarcasm :)]

Joshua Houk
houk@athena.cs.uga.edu
-- 
Maybe I shouldn't have smiled so much...
   - Sebadoh
From: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:55:08 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
>hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.

Well, I am not sure my non-baptist denomination could be considered
anymore non-conservative than how you have whitewashed all of the baptists.

Not that it really matters, but I attend an Assembly of God church.
You know, the denomination that had to kick out Jim Bakker and then
Jimmy Swaggart, too ;-)

You have to admit, its quite respectable how the great majority of the CCM
artists never mention denominations and yet get quite heavy into theological
issues at times.

--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
		I can think of a word for myself, but no name
	    Raised On Promises / Sam Phillips / Cruel Inventions
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From: cantwell@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Jeff Cantwell)
Subject: Re: Indigo Girls
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:15:13 GMT

My brother gave me an Indigo Girls cassette a year or so ago. I am a
Christian but he is not. In reading the lyrics, it reminded me a lot
of things I used to write in my journal a year or two before I became
Christian. My guess is that they are not Christians, but perhaps are
actively searching (whether they know it or not). When I was
searching, I was pretty unaware of the process. But I often wrote down
poems dealing with what I imagined God to be like, or questions about
who He is, or what He thinks about various things. I've been a
Christian over 11 years now! Thank you, Lord! Hopefully, the Indigo
girls will come to know the Lord as well.

Jeff

-- 
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From: joni@apollo.HP.COM (Joni Sini)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant is NOT a dirty word!
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:15:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

|> 
|> I too used to listen to Amy and was a big fan until she started to make the
|> big crossover.  I think the last album I have of hers is "Lead Me One",
|> I've listened to it, maybe twice.  I think most people's criticisms of her
|> (or at least mine) is that her music doesn't reach me anymore.  I don't
   
   Well, maybe God has moved her to reach another type of folk.  Maybe she
   simply followed.. and thats where it led her.  Billy Graham doesnt effect
   me the way he once did.  I appreciate his message but  the seeds' 
   been planted, now I need the water (and maybe some pruning).  
   I think you know what I mean.    Each person has to follow the leading
   in their own heart.  I dont really understand this 'crossover' thing.
   I think His ways are higher than ours.
   
|> Jerry Low
|> MDSSC 
|> low%ewsvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com
|> "The comments made here do not reflect the views of MDSSC"

joni
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