HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chatter@micro.cs.umn.edu (Sanjay Chatterjee)
Subject: Question about autocad data format and readability
Keywords: database, ascii, integrate
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:28:49 GMT

I know very little about Autocad; please bear with my ignorance.

The short of my request is that I need to know how I could get
Autocad drawing data transformed to ascii text mode.

Here's the long form:

I am part of a group that's developing a database application to
track work orders for a manyfacturing company.  We are developing
the application in an OS/2 client-server environment using
a 4G/SQL tool.  A major hurdle I face is in integrating the 
information stored by the design engineering department with our
current database schema.  I have taken the Autocad documents
representing the information they store (assembly details,
bill of materials, etc.) and developed a conceptual data model.
I've even tested a prototype to the satisfaction of the design
people.  However, the design engineers claim they have no means
of transforming all the information stored in their Autocad
drawings into a regular (ascii) text file.  They said that this
was because the data was in vector (sic) format.  This implies 
that if we want the information integrated we'll need hundreds 
of person-hours (maybe more) of data entry to perform.  

I could hardly believe them!  Could anyone kindly tell me
if there's a way out of this?  I'm not aware of the version
of Autocad they are using.  Someone referred to versions 7&8...
I think they have it up on a PC-LAN network.  

I'll be grateful for your advice, and will be happy to get any 
other details you need by way of clarification.

Please email me a response, if that's convenient.

Thanks.

Sanjay
chatter@cs.umn.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:01:00 EDT
From:         Ron Ansbach <ransbach@WEB.APC.ORG>
Subject: Re: architecture

Would anyone tell me how to get to *alt.config* ?
Thanks,

Ron Ansbach
e-mail: ransbach@web.apc.org
From: wm@isr.harvard.edu (William J. Mahoney)
Newsgroups: alt.cad
Subject: Rendering problem
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:40:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

We're running AutoCad Rel 12 on a Sun IPC, SunOS4.1.2.
The machine has 24MB of RAM and 65MB of swap.
Whenever we do renderings we get segmentation violation
messages and AutoCad crashes.  Anyone ever seen behavior like
this, or have any ideas?  All input appreciated.

Thanks
Bill Mahoney
wm@venus.gsd.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: mh@atlantis.demon.co.uk (Martin Hancock)
Subject: Finite Element software 
Distribution: world
Organization: <none>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:34:19 +0000


In article <1992Sep5.071009.24564@greco-prog.fr> bardo@ief-paris-sud.fr writes:

>In the public domain there is R. Banks PLTMG which offers adaptive grid 
>refinement. With the version I picked on the net I never got it running.

Any idea where I can pick this up from?



Martin.                    mh@atlantis.demon.co.uk
~~~~~~~                    martinh@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:25:02 GMT

In article <BuDI50.42F@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>In article <BuD7uv.Kp0@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>> 
>
>> BTW, what does this have to do with blacks and Jews?
>

Or atheism? Please delete alt.atheism from the distribution list.

>Not a whole lot really.
>

Jeff Achenbach
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Sep4.024603.18373@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<1992Sep4.153312.19509@cs.yale.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:30:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.153312.19509@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

- In article <1992Sep4.024603.18373@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
- >So folks, let just cool it on rec.scouting and let BSA provide a
- >program for the boys based on decent, proper, positive, moral
- >values and attributes.  If you want to join, you know the rules;
- >specifically, that you agree to live by the Scout Oath and Scout
- >Law.
- That's precisely the problem. It is not exactly well established
- as truth that bigotry based on sexual preference is an example
- of "decent, proper, positive, moral values and attributes."
- Your attempt to simply make it so by fiat is pathetic.

Times ten.

--
Andrew Werling   awerling@nmsu.edu   yip@rever.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Golden Rule (was Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:33:40 GMT

Note the new newsgroups line.

Here's a question: I would not like it if someone were to kill me.  There are
several groups of different size I fall in.  For instance, 'people whose name
starts with a "K"', 'people', and 'people and carrots'.

Now, does the Golden Rule say, "if I don't want other people to kill someone
in the group 'those whose name starts with 'K'', I should not kill any member of
that group."?
Or "if I don't want other people to kill someone in the group 'all humans', I
should not kill any member of that group."?
Or "if I don't want other people to kill someone in the group 'all humans
plus all carrots', I should not kill any member of that group."?
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:04:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.063832.13956@midway.uchicago.edu>, elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
|> In article <5SEP199209513561@rosie.uh.edu> 
|>  st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
|> >There is a problem with your argument.  First  whenever homosexuality is
|> >activly persecuted, homosexuals are quite capable of marrying females ...
|> 
|> Let me get this, uh, straight:  when homosexual women are persecuted, they
|> decide to marry females?
|> 

Sure, it sounds like a good idea to me.  It's easier to stand against the
bigots when you got somebody close to stand with ya...
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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<AWERLING.92Sep11124805@dante.nmsu.edu>
	<1992Sep11.203947.16994@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:35:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.203947.16994@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

-awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING) writes:
->My assertion: leave kids alone.  Don't make them more confused than
->they already are.  You wanna try to convert them to your cult, at
->least have the decency to wait until the kid's in his thirties.

-This proves more than you want.  Much, much, more 
-than you want; you're arguing
-that, essentially, you should not teach children _anything_ about right and
-wrong.  Your argument doesn't apply just to being gay; it could just as well
-be used to say that it's wrong to take your child to church, or that it's
-wrong to tell your child not to lie or steal.
 
Then to clarify: It is wrong to make a child hate her/himself based on
who the child is inside.  It is wrong to tell a child s/he is going to
hell, it is wrong to tell a child s/he is sick, immoral, twisted,
destined for loneliness and self-hate.

--
Andrew Werling    awerling@nmsu.edu    yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:34:32 GMT

Take this thread and shove it! Please delete alt.atheism from the distribution
list. 

Jeff Achenbach
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<!wrnj0=.bskendig@netcom.com> <1992Sep8.180856.7125@cs.yale.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:36:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.180856.7125@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

-   I'll point out for starters that it's not clear that the effect
-   would be anything as simple as you imagine. I.e. it may be the
-   case that sexual orientation is environmentally controlled but
-   that the influence does not come from whether you are around
-   gay or straight people when you grow up.

What factors do you believe effect the child to make him/her
homosexual then?

--
Andrew Werling    awerling@nmsu.edu    yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:38:32 GMT

In article <5SEP199209513561@rosie.uh.edu> 
 st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
>There is a problem with your argument.  First  whenever homosexuality is
>activly persecuted, homosexuals are quite capable of marrying females ...

Let me get this, uh, straight:  when homosexual women are persecuted, they
decide to marry females?

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "I'd rather that a bigot mistake me for a lesbian than that a lesbian
   mistake me for a bigot." --Tovah Hollander
From: jspinnow@netcom.com (John Stewart Pinnow)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Equal Pay & Sex Discrim: Where do I find info and what is the best way to deal with it.
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:24:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tmoh Research, Milwaukee, WI

I am wondering if someone could send me info on:
	1. The best way to fight sex discriminatation and equal pay
		a. Who to call ?
		b. How to deal with fear of lose of job.
	2. How it affects govermental institutions? E.g Schools and stuff.
	3. There experience of being discriminated.
	4. Where to find more information on CURRENT law regarding this.
	5. If possible the law itself.


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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Subject: Re: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:16:03 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG writes:

>Homosexuality can be caused by

>1) The environment that a person grew up in
>    (Only male/female freinds, no father/mother figure)

This one doesn't hold up in my experience.  I had both male/female friends
and both parents.

>2) A horrible experience with a member of the opposite sex
>    (Probably, rare but a possibility)

It's true that I never got a kick out of dating women.  I never enjoyed it.
But once I figured out why and came out of my personal closet, wow!

>3) Choice

Are you referring to incarcerated individuals?

>4) And here is an interesting one that I heard about and
>   don't yet have an opinion myself

>   Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that the sins of a
>   father could manifest themselves onto the offspring??

I don't see the relevance of your statement, but ...

Catholics believe that all children are born with Original Sin(tm), the
sins of Adam and Eve.  That's why they baptise children at an early age
as infants.

The bible also says something to the effect of, until you become as children
(meaning free of sin), you shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

--
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CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
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Xref: sparky alt.discrimination:4330 alt.politics.homosexuality:5912
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:17:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.193841.22336@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

>Please substantiate your claim.
>Your claim that you should NEVER try to make a kid feel bad about
>themselves is no more supported than your claim that it is
>immoral to tell a gay teenager that they are going to hell.


Substantiate the claim?

Gay teens have the highest suicide rate in the country (by far).  This
is due primarily to bozos like you who tell homosexual youth that they
are subhuman and unacceptable.


FWA
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: lmorris@mdd.comm.mot.com (Larry Morris)
Subject: Re: Waldenbooks fires staff for refusing to sell racist book!
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:21:05 GMT

In <1992Sep15.133642.10635@cpqhou.compaq.com> thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com (Thomas Rush) writes:

>In article <1992Sep11.195625.10024@tss.com> burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:

>>Folks, censorship is a perfectly acceptable thing.  Discrimination is a
>>perfectly acceptable thing.  We all do these things on a daily basis.
>>It is only when the government engages in censorship or when discrimination
>>is on the basis of race, religion, etc. that there is a problem.  

>Does this mean that my church must consider Bhuddist monks and
>Rabbis on the same level as Baptist ministers when we interview
>for a new pastor?  That is a problem.

>What if I just happen to be attracted to Asians (or Mexicans, or
>blacks)?  Is this a problem if have decided I will only marry an
>Asian lady?

>I suggest you clarify the fourth sentence quoted above, Mr. Burke!

Well, that is a truely pathetic argument.  If the Buddhist happened to be
a very good Baptist minister, and you refused to hire him, that would be
discrimination.  I hope you will agree that the scenario is unlikely.  You
may refuse to hire the Buddhist because he does not fit the job description.
Come up with a more plausible analogy next time.
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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.philosophy.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Golden Rule
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:32:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.142132.29490@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com> max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb) writes:
>The Golden Rule has always meant "Treat others as you would be treated
>[in their situation]". 'Their situation' includes their prior experiences
>and viewpoint. My restatement makes explicit an adaptation of the Golden Rule
>to a pluralistic society. I think most people find it as obviously true
>as the original.

I don't think so.

I don't understand what "as you would be treated in their situation" means.
For instance, if someone believes something different from me, am I supposed
to use their belief or my belief?

If I'm a taxi driver, and I'm told to go through a red light because the
customer thinks it's green, would I be breaking the Golden Rule if I combine
my own beliefs about the light color with the customer's viewpoint "we should
go through green lights but not red ones"?

Does the Golden Rule let me pick someone's pocket undetectably?  If I were in
their place, and I had my pocket picked _undetectably_, I wouldn't mind.  Or
should I consider the knowledge, unavailable to them, that their pocket was
being picked, when deciding if they'd mind?  Can I kill someone suddenly, and
by surprise, for the same reason?
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:08:56 GMT

In article <!wrnj0=.bskendig@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:

>Hmm.  It just occurred to me -- in order to prove that homosexuality
>is a learned behavior, you'd have to provide evidence that children
>who live or go to school with homosexuals grow up to be homosexual
>themselves, right?  But since studies have shown that the environment
>a child grows up in apparently has no bearing on his sexual
>orientation, I wonder why the anti-gay contigent keeps trying to
>insist that it _does_.
Hmmm.....
Could you be a little more specific about these studies you're citing.
I'll point out for starters that it's not clear that the effect
would be anything as simple as you imagine. I.e. it may be the
case that sexual orientation is environmentally controlled but
that the influence does not come from whether you are around
gay or straight people when you grow up.

>Scientists have found parts of the brain that are much different in
>size in females and gay men than in straight men.  That's the start of
>proof, as far as I'm concerned.
Repeat after me "Correlation is not causation"

>Because, if homosexuality is learned and not inborn, then there's a
>chance it could be unlearned or maybe not even learned in the first
>place, and people will keep trying to do either of these.  If it's
>inborn and not learned, though, then brainwashing will at best be
>useless, and at worst really mess up the person.
Neither of these is obviously true.

Examples:
Language learning is clearly environmental(learned) but you
can't take an adult who is a native French speaker and make him
sound like a native English speaker.

Dogs normally do not salivate in response to bells, but you can
teach them this behavior.

The first is an essentially immutable environmentally
controlled characteristic. The second is a mutable innate one.
-Ekr

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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.philosophy.misc
From: gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Golden Rule (was Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews)
Reply-To: gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:21:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.023340.26613@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>Note the new newsgroups line.
>
>Here's a question: I would not like it if someone were to kill me.  There are
>several groups of different size I fall in.  For instance, 'people whose name
>starts with a "K"', 'people', and 'people and carrots'.
>
>Now, does the Golden Rule say, "if I don't want other people to kill someone
>in the group 'those whose name starts with 'K'', I should not kill any member of
>that group."?

No. The Golden Rule says, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

:) :) :)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: bruceg@access.digex.com (Bruce Garrett)
Subject: Re: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:16:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.224408.25968@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:

>Even though this was not directed to me, I'd like to put my
>two cents in.
>
>Homosexuality can be caused by

It's been years since I've seen this kind of claptrap spoken seriously...

>1) The environment that a person grew up in

As to point 1 you could argue that it holds true for me as I am a product of
a divorced couple...but so are nearly all of my straight friends; while all
of my Gay friends come from perfectly normal Nelson Family type households...

>2) A horrible experience with a member of the opposite sex

Didn't happen to me bub...  Although my first sexual encounters were with
females they did not impact me negatively...although they did strike me as
vaguely unfulfilling and I would wonder for weeks afterwards why my other
friends made such a Big Deal about it all.  On the other hand many of my
straight friends have had horrible experiences and it hasn't made any of
them start looking for male sexual companionship.  Furthermore I've had some
pretty rotten experiences with the Same Sex and I'm still looking for a guy
to be my companion, 'cuz a guy is what I need.

>3) Choice

And this one simply ducks the issue altogether.  What "causes" people to 
make this choice?  (presumably 1,2 and 4... I reckon...  But then why add
3?)

>   Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that the sins of a
>   father could manifest themselves onto the offspring??

This is discusting...  Besides...I thought the only one brought into the
world to suffer for the sins of others was Christ.


I'm relatively new on the Internet...I Like the unbridled opinion here.  And
one thing it's sure cured me of is the thought that people who know how to
navagate though Unix computer networks are necessarily smarter then the average
person.  But I still like it better then talk radio...

-Bruce Garrett




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