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From: P.H.MIRICK@larc.nasa.gov (p.h.mirick)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: RE: U25B
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:53:51 GMT
Organization: NASA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b648mac13.larc.nasa.gov

A good model of the U25B (HO scale) is made by Stewart.  They have both
Phase II and Phase IV carbodies.  The last run was Phase IV and include
three road numbers for Maine Central.  You may still be able to get them
from some of the mail order places that addvertise in Model Railroader or
Railroad Model Craftsman.  Another suggestion is to try some of the train
shows like the one in Springfield Mass in February.  For a Maine Central
van the most difficult model to get is the U18B.
From: groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak and cold weather
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:33:17 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Actually besides the snow, there has been a great deal of
ice heaving on the track. Not the kind of thing you would
want to run passenger equipment over.

I have this on good authority from a friend who works and travels
throughout Idaho and Montana.
From: fwk@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (f.w.kerfoot..iii)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Reading Co. T&HS (was Re: Information Requests)
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:44:44 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1993Jan4.193632.11219@pellns.alleg.edu>, by pgifford@reis36.alleg.edu (Pete Gifford):
> I have three requests for the net wisdom and information archives.
> 
> 1. Does anyone have the address and phone of the Reading Company
>    Technical and Historical Society?  (Reading Railroad historical
>    society)  Is it worthwhile to join such organizations?

The Reading Co. T&HS seems to be a relatively closed group. I wrote to
two different people (whose names were provided over the net) seeking
information over a year ago, including a SASE in both, and got no
replys, not even a courtesy "we can't help you". Admittedly, I was
seeking information on Reading locomotives, rather than seeking to join,
but the lack of any reply at all says something. Since then I have run
into a previous member of the RCT&HS (at the Pennsylvania Live Steamers),
who related a load of emotion-laden stories about how badly they treated
him. Their primary function right now appears to be restoring old
Reading Co. Diesels for use in conjunction with the Blue Mountain and
Reading (owners of Reading T1 2102).

By the way, along similar lines, does anyone have a current point of 
contact for the Reading Society of Model Engineers? Live Steam
magazine lists Steve Gilroy, but the phone number listed is answered
by someone who never heard of him (they verified I had reached the
correct number).

Frank Kerfoot
fwk@hogpa.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: ELECTRIC TRANSIT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:21:18 GMT

In article <adam_reymon-060193135845@mac84065.educ.ualberta.ca>
adam_reymon@itc.educ.ualberta.ca (Adam H. ReyMon) writes:

>As a newcomer to internet , I'm very glad  this group exists.  But I would
>be even happier if  I could find LRT, LRV,  Streetcar or Trolley Coaches
>buffs (like me)!

Try the TRANSIT mailing list.  Send mail to listserv@vm1.gatech.edu
(or listserv@gitvm1 on Bitnet), containing the message ''sub transit
Name'' (using your real name).  The official blurb:

>    Transit is an e-mail forum for the discussion of issues related to
> public transit. Issues such as routing, fares, and safety can be
> discussed. Feel free to make comments about anything to do with transit.

--Joe Brennan
From: hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: where are the MU receptaclese?
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:05:00 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

MU receptacles on EMD switchers tend to be mounted on or next to the
center post of the end hand rails.


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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Reading Co. T&HS (was Re: Information Requests)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:21:22 GMT

This is a problem which has irritated me on several 
occasions.  A few years back I was researching several
articles for possible publication in MR or RMC.  I 
wrote to 12 historical societies seeking information 
and to purchase photos.  In all cases I offered the
society payment and photo credits.  I also enclosed
an SSAE with each request.  Nine of the societies
(including one of which I was a member!) ignored my
letters.  One offered me a membership application, but
no cover letter or any response to my questions.  One
sent a polite negative reply.  Just one responded with
lots of information, most of it at no charge.  That was
the Chesapeake & Ohio Historical Society.  (I have since
joined and found they offer excellent archive services 
as well as a fine monthly magazine).

Now I realize that these societies are all staffed by
volunteers and that it may be beyond them to look up 
stuff (especially since their holdings may take years
to organize).  However, common courtesy dictates a 
response to every inquiry with an SSAE, even if it is 
only to return the letter with a polite refusal 
scribbled on the bottom.  In my case, the writing 
projects were dropped due to a lack of key data, which
deprived everyone of shared information.  In addition,
the society lost the opportunity for published exposure
from the credit line.  The society of which I was a 
member lost my participation when my membership ran out.
The one winner was the C&OHS.  I was so impressed with
their service that I followed up on other projects with
them and eventually became interested in the C&O, so I
joined them.  I have since become a contributor to their
magazine and participated in other activities with them.

The point here is that historical societies are like any
other business--you have to treat your customers right if
you want to grow and prosper.  Any inquiry from the public
deserves some sort of answer.  Otherwise, they should not
be allowed to retain the valuable material which they have
been entrusted with.

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: carl_henderson@um.cc.umich.edu (Carl Henderson)
Subject: Local L.A. info request
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 12:04:22 EST
Organization: University of Michigan
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Distribution: usa

Hello fellow rec.railroad'ers!

I am planning to attend a conference next July in Los Angeles on the campus
of Loyola Marymount University (close to LAX) and (of course) will be
taking Amtrak there.  However, I've never visited L.A. before (only been
through it on the train) and have no idea about how to get around once I'm
there.

Does anybody care to share their knowledge about the best way to get from
Union Station to Loyola Marymount?  Should I cab it?  Rent a car?  Public
transport?  Or should I just fly to LAX :) ...?  I will either arrive late
Sunday afternoon (Desert Wind) or early Monday a.m. (Chief or Sunset).

Thanks for your help.

Carl
From: wagner@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Radial Railway Museum
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:03:42 -0700
Distribution: na
Organization: Malaspina College


In article <10421@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>, salfi@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Mike Salfi) writes:
> 
> 
> I saw a few articles posted indicating an interest in electric
> rail and t reminded me of a visit I made to the "Halton County Radial
> Railway Museum".  It is located west of Toronto.  I would not rate
> this museum as a special trip, but if you are in the Toronto area for
> other reasons, it is definitely worth a visit.  They have several restored
> wood TTC streetcars, a Montreal and Southern Counties Streetcar (wood) (which
> is in active service) and a TCR (Danforth) Streetcar (again wood, and from 
> Toronto) which is also in active service. At least one of the TTC cars is
> also in active service, but was not in action the day I was there.  They also
> have an electric "crane car" which is used for track repair.
> They also have many streetcars in various states of repair including at least
> one passanger car that operated in the London Ontario to St. Thomas railway
> line (I can't remember the name of the railroad.  I can't wait to see this
> car once restoration is completed.  The main yard has a large
> gift shop and two sheds that contain the equipment being restored.
> You can ride the streetcars indicated on a mile of wooded track to the
> eastern terminus, which houses another shed that contains additional cars,
> however these are in very bad shape.  You can detrain at this terminus to
> enjoy a walk or a picnic lunch then return on another streetcar. The
> operating streetcars depict a circa 1920 era.
> The rides are included in your admission ticket and you can ride all day, if
> you wish.
> They are open weekends from mid May through November, every day except Monday
> and Tuesday in June and every day in July and August.
> If you are ever in the area, enjoy.
> I have no association with the museum or staff, just letting you know.
> 
> Mike Salfi

The name of the railway was naturally "London and Port Stanley" and was
lovingly refered to as "Late and Poor Service".  L&PS for short.

Realy popular during the second world war as one of the only commutes for the
forces!

73, Tom
AKA VE7GDA, Nanaimo B.C.
From: jps@dworkin.wustl.edu (James Sterbenz)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: WSOR vs WICT
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:50:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington University,  St Louis MO


In article <1993Jan06.193456.8818@mixcom.com> Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com (Joe.Russ) writes:

[discussion on WSOR being less friendly t railfans...]

>While I don't know what incident prompted this (and I would like to
>know, too), I have heard that WSOR owner Bill Gardner has been uphappy
>with some of the rumors that have been floating around the area ever
>since he sold the Scenic Rail Dininig equipment.

Well, at the moment it isn't necessary to get premission.  Last week
I got wonderful photos of the 3 newly painted cowl units (maroon/gray),
and 2 E-units (one maroon/silver, one soldi maroon with no lettering)
parked adjacent to Horicon WI municipal property...

They used to be quite friendly though, and quite willing to let you
wander around the property.  Hope this hasn't changed, but fortunately
due to their location great access can frequently be had from adjacent
roads.  The same is true with the WC (the one time I asked to wander
around their property an emphatic NO was given :-(, but a small public
crossing runs right though the N. Fond du Lac yard.

--
James Sterbenz  IBM HPCC       (High Performance Computing and Communications)
                472 Wheelers Farms Rd. MS93           jpgs@watson.vnet.ibm.com
                Milford CT 06460-1844 USA                      +1 203 783 4380
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Unusual Trackage (Was: Unusual tunnels?)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:41:28 GMT


MORE ON MOFFAT LOOP

Jon Robinson caught me on this one.  I had the directions
backwards.  There is only a wye on the east side of the
tunnel.  The loop which I was thinking of is located at
Tabernash which is west of Frazer several miles.  The loop
is quite large and inclues a small yard and a wye inside.
I should have checked the USGS topos first, but well, you
know....
~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Subject: X2000 in Corridor service - February
Summary: read the subject!
Keywords: tilt train
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:49:17 GMT

An AMTRAK staffer told me today (while I waited at 30th St station)
that the X2000 train will be in service, as a Metroliner, beginning of
next month.  He said it will leave Washington D.C. as a morning train
to New York, and return back as an evening.  [meaning, miker@panix
was right, they're keeping it parked in Washington]

Also:  I saw what LOOKED like the X2000 as we headed North out of 30th
St Station.  Rider next to me said he had seen 'it' also in Philly
over 6 months ago.  Now, we know that the demo train thats been running
arrived in late Nov.  If there really was an ABB X2000 here earlier,
was it spotted by some net.readers?

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From: jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Unusual tunnels?
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:10:44 GMT
Organization: Specialix Inc.

cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell) writes:


>I forgot to mention that when I road the Roaring Camp RR last summer I had the  privilege to ride in the cab of their Heisler on the way down the mountain.  
>The railroad was haveing a little customer relation program going before they
>started the return trip they had a drawing.  The person who's ticket number 
>matched the number they called got to ride in the locomotive cab.  It was a lot
>of fun and the engineer and fireman were quite pleased to point out the      
>operation of the locomotive.  I think it would have been more fun to ride in
>the cab going up the grade when the locomotive had to work.  ;^)

Roaring Camp also has an "Engineer for a day" package you can buy.
You can get there early in the morning and watch them fire up the
engine.  (They use propane to get the engine hot and then switch over
to oil when they have enough pressure to run the tank heater and
atomizer.)  Then you ride in the cab while they make up the train and
then on all the trips for that day.  Unforunately you don't get to
actually run the locomotive.  :-(  (Too bad FRRS doesn't have a steam
locomotive running!)  The cost is around $75 in the winter and $150
in the summer.  My wife gave it to me as a Christmas present 2 years
ago.  I would strongly recommend doing it in winter, it sure gets
hot in that cab.  The fireman let me sit in his seat part of the time,
you sure get roasted on the right side.

PS:  The package also includes lunch with the crew.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jbvb@vax.ftp.com  (James B. VanBokkelen)
Subject: Re: Unusual Trackage (Was: Unusual tunnels?)
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: reversing loops
Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:34:49

In article <122200195@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill) writes:

    In rec.railroad, billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:

    > From maps, there appears to have been a reversing loop at Harmon, NY on
    > the NYC, however I don't recall seeing one there.  There seems to be
    > some evidence that one existed just north of the shops.  Anyone know
    > when this was removed?

When I was last in Harmon, the overhead bridges it used to cross the main
line were still there, but I don't know if there was track on them, or whether
it is still used if present.

    > I seem to recall that maps may also indicate a loop at Sunnyside Yard.

Yes - it goes under the main just west of Harold tower.

There's one still in service at Val Royal on the CN electric commuter
line NW of Montreal.  There's another (freight only) at SP's Colton Yard
near San Bernadino, CA.

There was also one at Rockport, MA on the B&M - it faced the stub end of
the branch so engines always backed around it (an actual prototype of
John Armstrong's "reverted loop" that he used on his 0-Scale CS railway).

James B. VanBokkelen		2 High St., North Andover, MA  01845
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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:32:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse

During the transition from steam to diesel and electric locomotives
British Rail continued to steam heat its carriages, so that diesel and
electric engines had to carry a water boiler.  The story, along with
innuerable other tales of British railway mismanagement, is recounted in
`The Train That Ran Away' by Stewart Joy. 

Ken Johnson


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From: stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: info on book for paint schemes
Keywords: paint schemes
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:50:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP



is there a bok out there that details the paint schemes used by various
roads over the years? i realize thatthis can be a swamp with all the
variation that has gone on, and i am not interested in all that information,
just a basic idea of what all the standard paint schemes in use for the last
20 or 30 years has been. discussion of how the  scheme was adapted for hood
vs cowl untils would be enlightening, as would information about adaptations
for B units andsmall switchers.


much thanx

stev knowles
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: iain@ee.ryerson.ca (Iain Campbell)
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:15:20 GMT

In article <sjones.726345266@cunews> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:
>
>And for that matter, how do you think diesels generated steam for the
>heating system?
>

As it so happens, I have a friend who works for a local boiler shop,
one of whose major contracts has been overhauls for these very boilers.  
I am in southern Ontario, Canada, so their customer is VIA Rail, who have a 
plentiful supply of old steam heated rolling stock :-).

Iain


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From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: Railroad Tycoon for the Atari ST bug?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:53:24 GMT


Geeps's were not actually written into the game- they're in all the docs,
but they are not there, according to a rep at Microprose.
One thing that I would wish for would be a 'train-garden' setting, where
you have unlimited funds, unlimited trains, stations, etc, and no
competition.  All you do is lay track and run trains.  The terrain is
varied e4nough  that it would certainly keep my interest for a while.
Another important aspect of the game that has been glossed over is the
stock market.  You can buy stocks in any of the active railroads
(including your own) and make money that way; the original board game had
a lot of this.  You can also artificially influence the market...

Now
Atrain, on the other hand, is a different game  completely.  You focus
solely on building a city and moving materials and passengers around by
rail (there are no visible roads in the game).  So far, I find it
impossible to make any money (are they trying to tell us something? :-)
and there are lots of limitations about what a train can and cannot do
(and each switch must be se4t explicitly for each train, which can be
good, but if you add a new switch that faces the wrong way, you need to
change it for all 25 of your trains...).  So far I haven't hit upon a
station limit, but there is a 25 train limit.  A nice touch is cycling day
and night, so after 6 pm (earlier in different times of the year, even)
the lights go on and everything dims - the banks are closed as well. 
Personally, I prefer RRT, but I'll play this a bit more before condemning
it completely.
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From: x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Re: Amtrak Derailment
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:09:20 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <2934980367.1.p00258@psilink.com>, "A.J. Janschewitz" <p00258@psilink.com> writes:
> Does anyone have any details on the Amtrak derailment beyond the press 
> reports? 
> 
> ==a.j.==
> 
>This is in response to the response I posted earlier this week.  The engine
involved was Amtrak 196, a GP40TC purchased by Amtrak from GO Transit.
Also, this article from the Kalamazoo Gazzette says that there were 242
passengers aboard and 13 injured, unlike the Herald Palladium from Benton
Harbor/St Joe that stated that there were 240 passengers and 12 treated
for injuries.  
The picture in the Gazzete shows Amtrak 196 with 4 coaches tilted behind
the engine.  The first car is one of the Horizon coach. The second car also
looks like a Horizon coach.  The third car looks like a "Cigar-tube" dining
car.  The fourth car can barely be seen in the picture.


Jeff


Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ctillier@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Clemens Emmanuel Tillier)
Subject: Re: Pressure Sealing of high speed train(sets)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:26:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.134411.16166@ryn.mro4.dec.com> pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson) writes:

>	I believe non of the existing production TGV sets are sealed.  One of
>	the existing protos may be, and future sets, in general will be, as I
>	understand it.  (This includes the "three captitols" Chunnel sets).
>	Something about passing trains in a 2o odd mi tunnel (Yes, I know,
>	separate bores, etc...))

Correct... The tunnel out of Paris-Montparnasse on the TGV Atlantique is
harsh on the ears! (I believe the train gets up to full speed in there).

Clem Tillier <ctillier@phoenix.princeton.edu>
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