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From: grd@VESTA.PHYSICS.UIOWA.EDU (Grant Denn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Sorry!  geez!
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:11:52 GMT


Hi, I am REALLY sorry about that very weird post that I put out earlier.
I tried to include my last dead.letter file regarding my witty observations
of the debate that I had written up but ad bounced in the mail, instead, I 
included "The adventures of Bambi", which just goes to show that a comuter
(comPUTER) in the hands of the public, without EDUCATION, can lead to 
embarrassing moments.

So, anyway, the debates: NO winners and we are the Losers (this round).
I had a lot to say last night about it but I have shifted focus, due to a 
recent discussion session with some other TAs.  I am the only one I know
who favors legalization.  The other boys  were saying 'Marijuana causes
genetic damage" and the like.  I told them that I would get some references
to them prnto regarding health problems associated with MJ. They
said 'Don't believe everything you read on the net, or in Scientific
American--they just want to sell issues!" (ugh).  SO if anyone has any
good hard scientific documentation on specifically 'genetic' defects and
drug use, I would appreciate them.  Supposedley they will listen to the
rationality of pure science (we will SEE!).  If this is in the FAQ, just
reference taht and I will ftp it over to me.  
Thanks,
grant
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Subject: Re: G.I.JOE Does WOD Propaganda Stint
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:04:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.184702.1738@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>News Flash ! G.I.Joe joins forces with his arch-nemisis Spectre to fight
>against "The Worst Evil" ... drugs !

ah shit! the first year of tv-g.i.joe wasn`t too bad.  Lots of good
explosions, gunshots, lasers, tanks, guns, firetrucks and so on.  Then,
they rapidly deteriorated to just plain ol 1/2 hour commercials.  and
now, anti-drugs?  shit, shit, shit, I'm having enuf problems imagining
spectre joining up with the joe-team, much less joining the WOD.

>So, what we have here is a outrightly fascist rendering of the DARE 
>propaganda line, all prettied up as an expensive cartoon and aimed
>at the 7-12 year old bracket that doesn't know any better. I wonder

and what excactly do you call the _straight_ DARE line? non-fascist?

well, as it was once said by D. Byrne:

"Violence on television only affects children whose parents act like
television personalities."

>what 'facts' about drugs will be revealed ? I wonder if it's OK to
>screw potheads out of their constitutional rights in the name of WOD ?

sure! where have you been the last 20 years or so?

>Stay tuned ... I think it's supposed to start playing next week.

please, let us know how bad it gets.  I know it will be _bad_, but I'm
intersted just _how_ bad.

--gaspo.


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From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:08:14 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.drugs

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
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Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
Yes                  [ ]
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Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
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Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
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6.) How old are you?
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7.) What religion are you?
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8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
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9.) How many years of education have you completed?
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: LSD and memory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:40:24 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Oct9.155854.2649@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> ANONYMOUS writes:

>  LSD  DEPLETES THE SUGAR AND VITAMIN C IN YOUR BRAIN AND BODY.  THIS COULD
>CAUSE THE LACK OF CONCENTRATION.  OF COURSE HE COULD BE JUST DOING SOME HEAVY
>DOSING.     LIFE.

    I can see why you want to remain anonymous.  What a bizarre claim... is
this really how urban legends begin?

    If I were you, I'd cut the dose of whatever you're taking to 1/10.

    And please stop yelling.
 
-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: Anonymous posting
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:23:20 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

Subject:Suggestions on how to entertain yourself when on a binge
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I'm going on vacation to a condo in New Hampshire. 

Me and 4 other guys plan to smoke the ENTIRE time...
I'm thinking, during 5 days of smoking, ther will be time when we
will just get plain bored!
 

So, what I'm wondering is, do any of you have any good suggestions
as to how we can pass the time, other than just laughing at each other.

All suggestions are encouraged

Examples: 

1]Good movies to rent
2]smoking games we can play (Ex:bong yatzee)
3]How to keep entertained for the 8 hour car ride	
4]mind games and tricks?

Basically, I'm asking:
What do you like to do when you're high?

-- 
Sameer_Parekh zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM zane@infopls.chi.il.us
PFA related mail to pfa@ddsw1.MCS.COM   | Specialization is for insects
Anonymous mail to ap.2363@cupid.sai.com |   - Robert A. Heinlein
Sun Oct 11 12:09:06 1992 US Debt: $4,091,509,273,374 Per capita: $16,010
From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and memory
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:57:09 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <john.25@bnr.ca> john@bnr.ca (John Ledford) writes:
>In article <16113@mindlink.bc.ca> Marc_North@mindlink.bc.ca (Marc North) writes:
>
>>Can anyone comment on this topic? Does anyone claim their memory to have
>>improved due to LSD, or deteriorated?
>
>A friend of mine had a hard time concentrating for a few days after the 
>trip, but there was no other side effects (i.e.- memory, flashbacks, et.)
>
>
>john

uhhh..... I forgot what I was going to post.


No, just kidding.  The memory loss is very slight and lasts for the day after
or maybe* two days.  Your milage may vary.



-- 
It is better to light a candle then to curse the darkness....
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu  OR  muffman@tfsquad.mn.org

meow
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: kava kava
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:48:27 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

thales@netcom.com (-}{-) writes:
: Has anyone had anu interesting experiences with kava kava?? is so in what 
: way did you prepare it....I boiled 2 oz in a quart of water and then let
: ferment for 1.5 days or so....i found it interesting and pleasent....
: any other comments???
: 
: i didnt see kava kava in the FAQ...is it not considered active enough?
: and i've also heard that it can cause liver poisoning in a vary bad 
: way.....
: 
: 
: 
: -- 
:                     -----------------------------------------         
:                    |             thales@netcom.com           |
:                    |    ..it's always the same,              |
:                    |          and it's always different...   | 
:                     -----------------------------------------             

My former flatmates and I tried kava a few months back. We found packets of it
(perhaps 500g, maybe a bit more) for NZ$5 a pop. We just mixed it with water
and tried to drink it.

It's equal with nutmeg for a vile tasting drink tht makes you want to throw up
:-) And, like nutmeg, I only got a very slight buzz off it.

I've no idea about any potential dangers of the stuff, but I would say to
anyone who wants to try kava, find a better way of taking it than just diluting
it with water. Unless you really need practice at controlling your gag reflex.

Hope this helps :-)

--
Rabbi Bajzheet - The Hooded Oesophagus   __o `God needs food, badly!'
Usenet: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz              _`\<,_   - Friedrich Nietzsche
Snail: 12 St Aubyn St, Devonport, AK (_)/ (_) Voice: +64 09 445-1186
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cosc186y@jane.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Any N.O.R.M.L. groups in Houston?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:08:00 GMT

 If you know what N.O.R.M.L. means then please send me information

on how to get involved in Houston.

P.S.

 Skunk #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson)
Subject: Re: new drugs
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:35:57 GMT

In article <22SEP199222430026@acad3.alaska.edu> jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.062305.29966@ecst.csuchico.edu>, tyu@ecst.csuchico.edu (    ) writes...
>
>Well, theres always the ever present "Air of Paradise". If its cost effective
>(read - you have money to burn), for you, go on down to a welding supply shoppe
>and pay the diposit, and fee for a tank. Never seen any info around on it, but
>its obtainable.

Yep, acetalyne is really cool. Just don't smoke when you're using.

8)=(*)KA-PLOWEEE
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: are bowls legal?
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 06:27:40 GMT

In article <6969@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> daw+@pitt.edu (Deborah A Wirth) writes:


>Check this out....
> My daughter a freshman in college told me that her boyfriend was striped
>searched in school! He was able to keep his underwear on, but the guard felt
>up under his balls, all for DRUGS!!!

What do you expect, now that testosterone is a controlled substance?

...not to make light of this sort of crap.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gag65@cas.org ()
Subject: Libertarian presidential candidate Andre Marrou on Larry King 10/12
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:05:57 GMT

This has already been posted to the alt.politics.libertarian and
alt.politics.marrou groups, but for those interested in hearing the Libertarian
Candidate for president, Andre Marrou, he will be on CNN's Larry King show
tonight (10/12) at 9:00. Eastern.  He will probably be on during the second half
of the show.

Marrou will no doubt be talking about being the only one of the four candidates
on the ballot in all 50 states who was not invited to the debates.  He will also
most likely discuss Libertarian solutions to current problems and the
differences between his ideas and those of the other three candidates.

--Gary
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mrc65@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: talking to kids
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:33:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.214221.16595@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> brooks@ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin D Brooks) writes:
>
>My kids are presently 11 and 15 years old...well past the start of being
>curious about everything that goes on in mom and dad's life.  A few years
>back my theory was that "well, maybe this just say no thing isn't such a
>bad idea".  I mean, seriously, kids are better off if they do "just say no".

I have a *bright* 7-year-old that was indoctrinated into the 'Just Say No'
crap earlier this year in his school.

Me: Well, son, what was the best thing you learned in school today?
Him: I learned how to just say no.
Me: Just say no to what?
Him: To drugs
Me: Oh, what are drugs?
Him: They're things that are against the law and kill you.

The point here is that the schools don't teach what *drugs* really are. I went
on to explain to him that anything that someone puts into their body that isn't
food or drink could be considered a drug. When he takes his vitamins, when mom
smokes a cigarette, when I take an aspirin, we are taking drugs. The important
thing to teach children is not the government's warped attitude and mission,
but that anything that goes into your body is going to affect it in some way,
and that the individual must take the responsibility to find out what the effect
will be (hopefully through reading, not experimentation).

MRC
-- 
Michael R. Cirivello (mrc65@cas.org)
Librarian/Info Junkie                        Just say Know!
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From: dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ps. Cubensis
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:13:19 PST
Organization: BBS

Well, I got my Mushroom Kit...complete with spore prints.  Before I embark on
my first attempt, any accomplished cultivators have any pointers that they are
willing to part with?

(It's kind of funny- My dad is a scientist "Protein Chemist/ Microbiologist"
and if I was *comfortable* asking him, I could ensure the safe innoculation
periods not to mention the streaking of media having purity by using his lab..
Or for that matter, letting him help- However, we are talking about Ps.
Cubensis....That, and he's adept with cultivation of plants, and extremely
knowledgeable regarding mushrooms....He'd know what they'd be used for.)

If any of you remember a project that developed the substance IL-2
(Interlukien-2), a cancer inhibitor, my father participated in research and
development at Cetus Corp (which in turn sold out to Hoffman-LaRoche).

dlaird@terapin.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mt@media.mit.edu (Michael Travers)
Subject: Re: Xochi Stack 1.0 (MDMA/LSD/XOCHIPILLI)
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:38:35 GMT

Internet users can get the stack via anonymous FTP from:

  sumex-aim.stanford.edu:info-mac/card/xochi-10.hqx

Share and enjoy.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 13:12:18 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu
Keywords: New-Speak

In article <bw6u1u.fdz@wang.com>, fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald) writes:
|> jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) writes:
|> 
|> > Ignoring for the moment that many of the activities of the KKK (lynchings,
|> > etc.) were illegal even without civil rights laws, I believe you would
|> > find that interest in hate groups has increased in recent years and
|> > can reasonably be attributed to the growth in government mandated
|> > favoritism toward various groups.
|> 
|> The growth in equal-opportunity and civil rights legislation (which you
|> inaccurately call "government mandated favoritism") ocurred during the
|> Kennedy and Johnson administrations.  Hate-crimes _decreased_ during that
|> period.  Hate crimes have been increasing during the last 10 years, as the
|> Kennedy/Johnson legislation has been crippled by later legislation, ignored
|> by police and justice departments and "reinterpreted" into uselessness by
|> the Supreme Court.

I think you will find that 'hate crimes' have increased as the original
civil rights vision (equal treatment) degenerated into preferential
treatment.  This slide started with Nixon, I believe.  The international
evidence suggests that when some groups get preferential treatment,
the non-preferred groups tend to get agitated, even violent.

|> 
|> Personally, I don't think there's any cause-and-effect relationship between
|> hate crimes and civil-rights legislation.  Crimes decreased and equal-
|> rights legislation appeared as the country as a whole began to feel that
|> the treatment of its least-privileged members was actually worth caring
|> about.  

Which was the cause and which was the effect?  Civil-rights legislation
was only feasible because the attitudes of the country agreed with the
goals.  The attitudes of most Americans had already been improving
before the laws were passed.  Read Sowell's book "Civl Rights: Rhetoric
or Reality" for more information.

|> As the country has shifted to a me-first, take-the-money-and-run
|> attitude, crimes are back up and civil rights are no longer an issue
|> because the people with the ability to change the laws no longer care about
|> the well being of anyone else.
|> 

The country has made a continual shift to 'me-first'.  The result is
that every special interest group fights in Washington for its piece
of the Federal pie.  Granting special priviledges, whether it be
to white males, or black females, is wrong, and yet our government
does it every day.  A government which plays favorites is going to
create an environment where the excluded groups take some form of
action, whether it is lobbying for special treatment for its group,
or commiting crimes against groups getting special treatment.


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
From: malcolm@cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: malcolm@cluster.cs.su.oz (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

In article <3271@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier) writes:
>In <1992Sep30.173708.9795@news.columbia.edu> slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
>
>}I always thought the "recreational"/hazardous effects were caused by solvent
>}molecules binding to hemoglobin and causing hypoxia in the brain. (I could
>}obviously be very, very wrong here.)  This explains the headaches, etc., and
>}explains why one gets the same symptoms no matter what the substance is (hair
>}spray, rubber cement, glue, etc.).  The literature on drug abuse I was forced
>}to read as a child gave this as the explanation, if I recall aright.
>
>Well, I never had headaches after using ether, and I sure did after
>using alcohol. What you say may be true of some solvents, but 
>not of any I ever used except ethanol.

Chloroform gave me a headache the couple of times I tried it. Ouch! And
despite all the ether that I breathed through using it in the lab, I never
really got off on it...

Malcolm
--
It only kills STUPID brain cells!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:03:23 GMT

gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:
: In article <1992Oct13.051146.24951@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >How many would do so if the testing were not mandated by the government?
: 	When did the government mandate that Coors, Blockbuster, Sam's 
: 	and KFC all start piss-testing?  May the great god Milton Friedman
: 	have mercy on my soul but I don't see a government behind those 
: 	companys' actions.

No, but A. Coors was just about as close to being a Nazi as it is possible
to be without ending up in jail. I am not surprised that the company decided
to do the testing. Most extreme right-wingers are anti-unapproved-drug
fanatics. 

I have no idea why the others would start the testing - other than a "me to"
attitude. Some people think that if the government does it, then it is right 
and good.

: >I expect that it would be very few. And they would quit when they found
: >that their competitors were doing fine without resorting to the tests.
: 	Right.  If there is anything more pathetic than a true-blue
: 	communist clinging to his tattered copy of Marx, its the true-blue 
: 	partisan of unbridled capitalism clinging to his tattered copy of
: 	Milton Friedman.  Economics seems to take on the qualities of
: 	a religion for some folks:  "Just have faith in the free market
: 	brothers and sisters and we'll all meet in the great bye and bye".
: 	Man's capacity for self-delusion and religious thought patterns
: 	seems inexhaustible.

Well, we are unlikely to find out. We are nowhere close to being a
free market economy. Nor are we ever likely to be - too many people
make a living regulating other peoples lives.

It certainly would be interesting to try the experiment.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Keywords: New-Speak
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:58:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.210111.27321@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:

|> >Now that you have my answer, I would like honest, rational answers from you to
|> >three questions:
|> >
|> >	Would you work for this employer?
|> >
|> >	Do you think this employer would be successful in hiring talented,
|> >	productive individuals in sufficient quantity to remain competitive?
|> 
|> Many jobs don't need talented help, just strong backs. As to productivity, 
|> that's what the whip would be for.

So your answer is yes, you would work for an employer that requires you
to submit to whippings. Intelligence is not universal, as you so amply
demonstrate.

|> >	Given that such practices would be publically known, do you think
|> >	such an employer would be sucessful in attracting purchasers of
|> >	his goods and/or services to the extent that his business would thrive
|> >	and grow?
|> 
|> I haven't heard of any Chinese prisons going out of business lately. 

Do you have anything meaningful to add, or is your cheif interest in this
discussion to inflame in an attempt to obfuscate?

-- 
Dave Waller
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: address/phone for distributor in UK
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:56:18 GMT

12-14 months ago someone here on the net posted the address
and phone number for a pharmaceutical company in the UK which
sold a good selection of non-controlled subtances one of which 
is a drug which was claimed to increase the 
synapses of the neurotransmitters.

would someone please email me with the name/address of this
company?

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: ACETYLENE ANESTHESIA?
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:15:39 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory


   I remember reading some years back in an encylcopedia about the early use
of acetylene as an anesthetic? Anyone know any more about this?