From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: THE IMPLICATIONS OF ABORTION ON OUR SOCIETYdir
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:49:44 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <1992Apr8.040526.27112@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> rfischer@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ray Fischer) writes:

>franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes ...
>> rfischer@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ray Fischer) writes:

>Neither do I ask my computer whether is wishes to be left turned on.
>The computer has about 10 million switching elements and responds to 
>stimuli, but although this is rather more capability than a human 
>embryo, abortion foes would have me believe that said embryo is 
>equivalent to a thinking, feeling human?  Excuse me?
   Equating the miracle of a Macintosh to the miracle of birth?
How SHALLOW of you...

>I can accept that you choose to bestow humanhood to a fertilized egg.
>I have no problem with this.  My objection is to your arrogance
>in deciding that you know what is best for each pregnant woman
>and fetus.  When did God put you in charge?   Can you walk on water
>as well?
   God has given us the gift to do anything. You give me enough
tools and I CAN walk on water. God has also given us the will to choose
our own destiny. But, I cannot stand by and watch our destiny go towards
corrupt and shallow means. You consider me a self-proclaimed vigilante,
but I consider myself a spokesman for the unborn.


>Try not to be SUCH an idiot.  You said that abortion is wrong 
>because the church says so.  I pointed out some of the errors
>the church has made in the past.  Rather than show me why I should
>accept the word of the church, you start going on about character
>assasination.  Do you deny any on the events?  Are they not facts?
   I TELL you that I feel abortion is wrong because the wisdom of God
tells us this, and I AGREE with it. I TELL you that abortion is wrong, 
because it gives us no chance to take back our actions. We are cowards.
We abort the fetus, and the earlier the better, because the longer we
wait, the more human it appears. We can't have the fetus even LOOK 
human, because then it would be difficult to abort it. Heck, we spend
millions defending the lives of the seals just so that they could over-
populate and destroy the fish stock unemploying thousands of fishermen.
But, in the same  breath society shows no responsibility for the unborn
child, and all this child could SHARE if given the opportunity. 

>I agree the church has changed in the last 2000 years, but I'm not
>willing to concede that it has suddenly found The Truth in the
>20th century.  Can you tell me why I should believe one iota of
>what the church says?
   Because I think GOd is smarter than you. ANd my way doesn't have
any permanent damage. Okay - the woman has the child, and if she sees fit,
puts it up for adoption. The child is given a chance, the mother heals 
from the pregnancy, and the adopting couple is given a chance to raise
a child. If abortion is the option, the mother is no better off,
and the child is DEAD> Period. Which option makes sense to you? Well,
I guess we already know that...


>4) Democracy presumes people are intelligent enough to decide for
>   themselves.  Is this not rather similar to the pro-choice view?
   Incedentally, democracy doesn't work. If you had an infinitely
varied society, the vote on any result would be absolutely split. 
However, we are worse than being infinitely varied. We follow
TRENDS. This is very dangerous, and leads to HUGE sways in 
society's beliefs, and can result in radical changes in democracy.
Humanity is not wise enough to lead itself by the masses. It requires
intelligent and charismatic individuals guide it with suggestions that 
it considers plausible...

>You've complained about the insults and jokes you've
>received.  Ever wonder why you get insulted?
   Well, yes. because I don't agree with you. In any case, I dont' mind
flames if they at least make me laugh. I don't think I have made one
rude comment that wasn't embroidered with a bit of humor. you all
just resort to tactics of anger and violence. Show a little creativity
and then maybe I would laugh enough to overlook the insult. You guys
are soo dull. No wonder the pro-lifers don't bother hanging around 
on this group much. The argument reciprocates, you all get rude, 
the argument reciprocates again, and then we ask you to work with us,
and you say no. Fun isn't it?

   steve
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