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From: hmiller@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Hugh Miller)
Subject: Re: BRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVESBRAVES!
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 05:37:12 GMT

In <1992Oct15.124255.19934@dbs.com> jcarr@dbs.com (John Carroll) writes:

>Need I say more?

>JBC

    How about:

BOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOH :-{

    Sitting Bull revenged at last!

    -=- A Jays Fan

-- 
Hugh Miller         | Dept. of Philosophy | Loyola University of Chicago
Voice: 312-508-2727 |  FAX: 312-508-2292  |    hmiller@lucpul.it.luc.edu
From: barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ballparks
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:32:47 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov10.125832.9782@engage.pko.dec.com> kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>Perhaps in years to come, all ballparks will be more uniform in features and
>dimensions.
Let's hope this never happens.  As far as providing adequate comfort for
the fans, standards are useful.  But when it comes to field dimensions
and shapes, standards are anathema.
What makes Fenway and Wrigley unique?  Each ballpark should have its own
character and charm.  Each one should be a different experience.  What
baseball does not need is a bunch of cookie-cutter designed parks.
Should Philadelphia's ballpark look exactly like Cincinnati's?
Perhaps it already does :-)
The old ballparks may have suffered from uncomfortable seats and
obstructed views, but you could look at a picture of a game and know
exactly where it was taken.  
I enjoy the short right field line in Yankee Stadium and the short
left field line in Fenway.  Detroit's deep center field sets it apart.
Camden Yards is popular because it is so different from other parks.
Everyone wants to be there when someone finally hits a home run over
right field and into the building.  
What we need are more structural oddities and fewer standards.
----------------------
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Giants news on ESPN (was Re: Florida awaits the Giants!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:37:32 GMT

michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez) writes:

>I think Sherri hit it right on the sweet part of the bat:  Bob Lurie
>stands to make 92 million dollars in capital gains on the sale
>of the Giants to the local investors in SF.  The latest poll of 
>the owners has the Tampa deal going down to defeat.  

According to ESPN SportCenter tonight, both sale proposals were approved by
the National League.  Tomorrow, all the league owners will vote, first on
the Florida move, then on the SF purchase.  If they approve the Florida
move, that will be it.  If not, then they will vote on the SF sale.

>Maybe Tampa 
>will get a clue; this is the third time they have offerred more 
>money to move a franchise(Seattle and the Chicago White Sox), not
>to mention the loss of the expansion franchise to Miami.  

Actually, I think they also previously made a bid for the Texas Rangers
some years ago.


>There is
>profit and fair market value in this sale to SF and MLB can 
>honor the commitments it made to the Marlins regarding the building
>of an expansion franchise.  The 4th largest media market in the
>country can not be abandoned for the 15th.  

The 4th largest media market wouldn't be abandoned.  The Oakland A's would
be the bay area team.

I guess this time tomorrow, we'll all know, eh?

-- 
 davE.  Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
######### David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:55:05 GMT

In article <1dm0s9INNr6v@agate.berkeley.edu> srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:
>
>But, since it is looking more and more like the team will stay at
>Candlestick, I will add this to Dodger fans:
>
>NYAH NYAH!
>

Oh no! The talentless Giants, with their run down pitching staff and
inept manager are staying in San Francisco. I shudder just thinking
about it.

--Les
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From: jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast)
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:31:05 GMT

Where I was raised, we listened to both the Detroit Tigers and the
Milwaukee Braves.

Favourite Pitcher: Warren Spahn or Billy Hoeft
Favourite non-pitcher: Al Kaline or Eddie Matthews

-- 
  Regards,

  John Palmer    London, Ontario       Voice: (519) 661-3533     FAX: 661-3666
  reply to jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca       The Economics Institute for Journalists
  ============================================================================
  The New Economics: Overlapping Generalizations & Rationalized Expectorations
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:20:56 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <11NOV199209172130@mary.fordham.edu>  
nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
> The hated jints will remain in SF after all.  
> This means that they will play in the *worst* facility in Major  
League 
> Baseball, Candlestick Park, for 1993; indeed, they will play there  
for
> years to come.  How fitting; they deserve the worst. 
> 

I wouldn't be so sure of this. There are going to be a number
of legal challenges to this, not to mention whatever effect
the Congressional review of baseball's anti-trust exemption
will have.

Frankly, I'd rather see the Giants stay in SF than move to
Tampa Bay (in large part because I hate domes).  I also dislike
teams moving around a lot. On the other hand, it's not like
this was a spur-of-the-moment decision. The ownership had been saying
for a while that they'd move if they had to keep playing in
Candlestick.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: dporter@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Retrop Guod)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:50:12 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:

>>1) lifetime batting average.  1.000.  many people.

Although John Paciorek (I think) has the most at-bats and a 1
batting average (3-3, I believe he got on base in all 5 plate 
appearances)...

>8) Fewest pitches thrown in an inning: 3.  many people

This one, easily the most insightful record of all time, 
made me wonder.  Wouldn't that record be one?  If it's the
bottom of the ninth, and the leadoff batter hits a game
winning homer on the first pitch, the game is over, which 
seems to mean the inning is over, with only one pitch thrown.


Has anyone else heard a story where some batter was facing
Walter Johnson at dusk, the batter supposedly took 2 fast
strikes and walked away, when told he had one more strike
he replied "I don't want it!"

Would that make:
9) Fewest pitches thrown resulting in a strikeout: 2
?


Just waiting until the 17th...

Doug

-- 
Doug Porter                        |   "It had been necessary for him
Virginia Tech                      |    to swallow swords that he might
President, WiffleBall Football     |    have a better throat for
Association of Roswell             |    grapes" -- Stephen Crane
From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay and the Giants
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:04:57 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

In <1992Nov12.001725.19258@seq.uncwil.edu> cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:

>Well, I am happy that the Giants are staying put for one reason;
>I think it would be a shame for a grass field team to be moved
>indoors and forced to play on carpet.  Football is fine indoors,
>baseball should be played on grass in a basball park, not a 
>stadium.  That's one reason that I plan to make an effort to
>see some O's games next year, they are playing in a REAL baseball
>park!  Thankfully the Braves will be moving to a real park
>before too much longer.  For now at least they are playing on 
>grass.

I hope you don't think Candlestick is a "real park."  Compared to the
stick, AFCS is heaven.

I like grass.  I like open air.  I hate turf.  I hate domes.  But I also
hate wearing two sweaters, a winter coat, and a blanket to a night game
in the middle of the summer.  Candlestick is an abomination.

-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: cjwein@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Chris J. Wein)
Subject: Re: Rangers 15-man protected list
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:25:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.163408.28422@esd.dl.nec.com> west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West) writes:
>Since there appears to be a few Ranger fans out there, I thought I
>would post this:
>
>Published in the Dallas Morning News today is the Expansion Draft
>protected list.  In no particular order, the 15 Rangers protected are:
>

Isn't this list supposed to be a secret?  Did Texas willingly give out 
this list?  
-- 
==============================================================================
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 Computer Graphics Lab, CS Dept.      | cjwein@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca
 University of Waterloo               | (519) 888-4548
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:45:58 GMT
 <1992Nov7.183708.9963@athena.mit.edu> <92313.124703RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
 <1992Nov10.185824.21462@athena.mit.edu>

humor and charles don't mix.
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From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Miller)
Subject: Re:  Greatest moments in baseball history
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:17:00 GMT

In article <BxFoFr.3CF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes...
>Fay Vincent resigning.
> 

	Or, my favorite, Fay Vincent, announcing that in the best interests
of Major League Baseball, games would only be sold to the networks under
the stipulation that the Commissioner's Office would have final say on
the starting times of all World Series and Playoff games.
	Remember the entire nation of eager baseball-loving school kids
seeing baseball history in the making as Francisco Cabrera drove in Sid
Bream with the winning run of the 1992 NLCS at 12:03 A.M. EDT?  Remember
how this moment created so many 7 and 8 year-old baseball fans, because
they were actually up at the time of the game-winning single, and that dramatic
comeback?
	Remember all those kids watching Gene Larkin's World Series winning
hit in the 10th inning of Game 7 of the '91 Series at 12:30 EDT?

	Oops, just a fantasy.  Adieu, Fay.  You did well, but you missed
your best opportunity to save the game.

>Rob
> 
>_Cubs in '92!!_

	Yikes!  Bit late for that, hmm?

							Jason Miller
Mets in 2017!!!
	At our present rate of rebuilding, see you in the next millenium!

"Yankee fans should be very happy to note that Greg Cadaret is OUT OF HERE!!!
to the Cincinatti Reds!!!"	-	Chris "Mad Dog" Russo, WFAN Sports
						radio in New York, 11/5/92
From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Chad Kreuter ?!?!?!?!?
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:48:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I've seen in several places on tihs newsgroup that the Detroit
Tigers are expected to keep perennial All-Star Chad Kreuter on their
15-man protected list.
	Is this what it's come to, Detroit?  Keeping Jamie Quirk Lite among
your top 15 players???  Heck, he's not even as beloved as Quirk, and never
will be.
	This IS the same no-prospect Kreuter who bounced around from home
plate to home plate all over the A.L. since 1988 and couldn't outhit John
Smoltz?  There must be a very bleak grey cloud hanging over Detroit these
days if Mark Parent's long-lost twin brother is on a protected list.

							Jason Miller
		Card-Carrying Member of the Alex Trevino for
		New York Met's Manager Organization.
	Your donations will be greatly appreciated.
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Extra playoffs (was: Re: I'm sorry, Jays didn't show me much)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.172212.7782@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.224254.25487@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) writes:
>>It's very possible that the networks can make more money from more playoff 
>>games at the same time a majority of baseball fans are opposed to such a 
>>system (and are *not* interested in watching more playoff games). 
>
>Maybe the area of confusion here is that I'm talking about people and you
>guys are talking about "baseball fans".  If more *people* aren't willing to
>watch more playoff games, then the networks aren't going to be interested
>in paying more money to get more playoff games.
>
>> At much
>>lower per-game ratings, the networks can conceivably still get more people
>>to watch in total, and make more money.
>
>I thought the networks were generally interested in the per-game rating,
>not the total count.  
>
>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com

on the one hand, i believe they are, but if you notice it is
because they are always comparing one year to another, to see how
well a given year is going.

now on the other hand, i believe the theory is that if expanding
the playoffs did not hurt average ratings too much, then even
if a few less people watched, the ratings for the expanded playoffs
would be less than they were for the unexpanded, but still much
more than for regular non-baseball that would have been on in
the new games' slots. i believe that the world series, even in a
best-of-11 format (!!!! don't flame me, i think it is a bad idea
personally) would still have a higher per-game rating than sitcoms
in their place (depending on the show), and the larger number of
games would then mean more money for the networks.

essentially, this is what happened in hockey (whose playoff
format is a travesty, IMHO)

--
charles
From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: jays' player changes
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:15:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: sni.1992Nov5.171515.29078
Distribution: rec
Organization: Carlos Delgado Appreciation Society

In article <19921.4235.48380@dosgate> "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com> writes:
>You forgot Cone, who is the big free agent question. With any luck
>Morris will be drafted. But Winfield had a few long chats with Cone
>about life under Geoge Steinbrenner. Look for the Angel's Abbott to
>become a Blue Jay, as well.

I'd be a *very* happy camper if the Jays landed Abbott; however, I don't
think the Jays are willing to part with enough players to land him.

I also think that the Jays have very little hope of retaining Cone, unless
they can talk him into a 3-year contract with options for additional years.
Even if he doesn't go to New York, *somebody* will throw $30-million
over 5 years at him, and I don't think the Jays are prepared to go that
high (unless someone drafts Morris).

>Nope. Jimmy likes it in Toronto, and The Jays will give him a very
>good salary. Key doesn't have an ego that demands the highest
>salary.

I think Key is the Jays #1 free-agent priority.  Winfield is #2.
Lee is #3 (though they'll probably talk to Gagne as well).  Carter is #4.

Henke has said that he wants to return to Toronto; however, Ward wants
to be the closer, and deserves a chance.  Unless Henke is willing to take
less money and is willing to set up Ward instead of the other way around,
he's likely to go.  (Which will be his downfall:  if another team throws
$5 million per year at him, they'll want to work him harder than Cito
worked him, and I don't think Henke has that much left.  His K/IP ratio
fell this year, which is a bad sign.)

>PS>free agents and I believe the Jays will pay a premium to retain COne to
>PS>replace Key in a rotation that would consist of Morris, Cone, Guzman,
>PS>Stottlemyer. They will probably trade for a lefty as well.

Hey, Lou Gorman:  what about Sprague, Wells, and Stottlemyre for Frank
Viola?  We'll even toss in Mark Eichhorn!  Operators are standing by to
accept your call!

--Dave "of course I'm not serious, Red Sox fans, so don't flame me" Till
  e-mail path:  dave@silver.sni.ca or dave@snitor.uucp
"Canada, let it all out.  It's party time." -- Tom Cheek, Blue Jays
radio broadcaster, at approximately 1 in the morning, Sunday, October 25, 1992
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From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason A Miller)
Subject: Re: COLORADO ROCKIES 1993 SCHEDULE (long)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:26:00 GMT

In article <kez1o670Bwx5ID1G0e@transarc.com>, Jim_Laredo@transarc.com writes...
> 
>> July
>> 13      ALL STAR GAME @ PIRATES
> 
>I thought this was in 1994, 1993 belongs to an American League team.
>Chicago maybe?
> 

	The 1993 All Star Game will be in Baltimore, at beautiful Oriole
Park at Camden Yards.  Look for me, I intend to be there.

							Jason Miller
	------------------------------------------------------
		Chico Walker  --  1992 N.L. MVP
		Mackey Sasser for Gold Glove!!!

>Jim.
> 
> 
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From: jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gov (John Porter)
Subject: Re: Baseball team logos 
Organization: NASA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:59:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.143411@trc.amoco.com> zslb0f@trc.amoco.com (Steven L.  
Boyls) writes:
> 
>  Does anybody out there have gif files of the major league teams?
> If so would you mind posting them? I'm especially interested in
> getting a team logo of the Boston Red Sox. 
> 


I'm interested in any Orioles images in virtually any format.

Thanks.

JP
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From: ruggiero@antwrp.antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov (Knic)
Subject: 5 most unbreakable
Organization: Compton Gamma Ray Observatory Science Support Center
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:03:35 GMT

Sorry if i missed the list originally but let me add my two cents.

	1.	56 game hitting streak Jolting Joe.
	2.	back to back no hitters Johnny Van de Meer
	3.	383 strikeouts Nolan Ryan
	4.	5000 + stikeouts by Nolan Ryan
	5.	Sisler's .424 average.




	4.	
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Rockies 1992 schedule out
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.224229.15313@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee) writes:
>Yes, the 1992 tentative Colorado Rockies schedule is HERE. I'm planning to 
>type it in for future reference on here. 
>
>Would anyone like me to post it?

I think they open in New York against the Mets on April 5.  Tentativly,
the starting time is set at 3:10pm but there is a move to get it changed
because Passover begins that evening.

BTW: The Marlins have moved their opener to an earlier time for the same
reason.
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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Subject: Giants and Free Trade
From: jimbo@csusb
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:55:59 PST
Organization: California State University, San Bernardino
Nntp-Posting-User: cvetp038

I really don't understand how baseball owners can restrict
the movement of the Giants and force the owner to sell the
team for less money.  This is a violation of the Free Trade
laws which govern the business community.  There isn't any
such thing as a city "deserving" a team nor is there such
a thing as a community deserving a particular business.  Nobody
stopped General Dynamics from pulling out of California and
moving to Georgia because they got a better economic deal.
The same thing should apply to the Giants.

But, of course, baseball has been exempt from the same laws
that everone else has to follow.  Perhaps after the next
hearings in Congress this will change and Free Trade will
really exist in baseball as well.  That would enable a team
to relocate on any whim if it choses.  It, however, is a most
unlikly event.

Just my opinon, and it ain't worth much.

By the way, this is my first posting to this (or any) group,
so please forgive me if I made any faux pas.  Flames welcomed
anytime, day or night.

From::"Jimbo%CSUSB@nic. CSU.net"  "Tony Ardelean"

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From: brian@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brian McDonald)
Subject: Re: Comparing Eckersley vs. noname reliever
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:26:24 GMT

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Subject: Re: Comparing Eckersley vs. noname reliever
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In article <BxItuu.4JI@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:

>  But as far as actual performance when they were in there, I think Hernandez
>was better than Eck. The OBA was a mere 7 points higher while the SA was
>notably lower than the ex-alcoholic (cheap shot!) at a 34 point difference.
                        -------------------------

Please explain to me what this phrase has to do with baseball.  Why do
you feel it necessary to note that Eckersley is an "ex-alcoholic?"


Brian McDonald
brian@leland.stanford.edu