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From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:54:18 GMT
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <87pf02Ob0fqO01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> minhtri@ccc.amdahl.com writes:

>Look at your opponent in the eyes, not at his feet nor the 
>center of his body.  Before your opponent attack you, he will glance at the 
>point that he is aiming at.  You can verify this for yourself.

Actually, this works only for fighters that haven't yet learned to 
convincingly fake with glances. It can be done, and is done, all the time.
In fact, I do it. Back in my (short lived) full-contact days, when I 
stopped looking at my opponent's eyes, and began to concentrate on the 
center of his chest, my bouts went a lot better than they had been. An 
opponent may kick without looking directly at their target, but they may 
not kick without telltale movements of the body that can be spotted in 
the chest region. Stand in from of a mirror and watch yourself kick or 
punch; now try to do it without a split second telegraph from the chest.  

An early instructor of mine once told me that "all motion is born from 
the chest", and "deceit is born from the eyes". I find that these days, 
I tell it to my students, too.

Norm.

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Favorite Sparring Combinations
Keywords: sparring, combinations
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:22:11 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Apr12.023043.7421@athena.cs.uga.edu> greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock) writes:
>I was wondering if people would post/email me their favorite sparring
>combinations?  I have a tournament coming up next month and I'm looking

	Take your grip left sided, by which I mean with your left
leg leading. Attack with o-uchi-gari to the left leg of your opponent; this
will be his rear leg.  Unless you are very fast he will see this coming a mile
away and lift this leg to step over/away from your attempted reap.  Just as
he puts it back down to escape the reap you didn't really want anyway, pull
hard with your left hand and spin so that your right leg is now crossed in 
front of his right leg and you're both facing about the same direction.  
Finish him with ashi-garuma or o-soto or whatever is most approriate to the
situation.
									wr

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:47:14 GMT

In article <Vdk+_A-@engin.umich.edu>, hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert):
>In a previous article, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) wrote:
>> Ah yes, the old story of the 'white belt turns black thru the
>>rigors of practice".  Charming, but a fairy tale, I'm afraid. The
>>white/black belt system in Japanese karate was inherited from Judo,
>>where it had been deliberatly implemented.  Most of the other colors
>>got started so that people would get promoted often enough to have
>>their egos massaged.
>
>Site sources, please.  This one is too good to be forgotten.
 ^^^^
	sorry to quibble, but it is "cite"

-m.a.
From: JXT109@psuvm.psu.edu (Jennie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Favorite Sparring Combinations
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:22:37 GMT
 <1992Apr12.163844.14701@udel.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Basic, simple, and has won *many* tournaments:

backfist, reverse punch, [if still necessary] roundhouse.

simple, effective, fast, nice.

complete sentences.     :-)

--Jennie
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Organization: Columbia University
	<MARY.92Apr3163247@martinique.Cayman.COM>
	<1992Apr6.142426.13505@mcs.anl.gov>
	<1992Apr6.170308.11367@relay.nswc.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:18:22 GMT

> <Stephen Northcutt complains about ridiculously long-legged keikogi's>

I've always suspected that somewhere, those who manufacture these
things are laughing their heads off at us.  They must make a special
"gaijin" model for export, cut to baboon proportions.  If Mr. John F.
Sasso is less than about 6'6" tall, I'd like to know where he found
those gi's with the short legs, and so, perhaps, would a lot of
others.  I don't think I've ever seen any American who didn't have to
hem or roll up both their pants legs and their sleeves, even with the
expensive gi's like Tokaido and Shureido.  Do the Japanese really
think that all Americans are built like basketball players, or is this
some kind of a joke?  I'm far from the average size at about 5'3", 135
or so, I've resigned myself to having to hack up any gi that I buy,
but I would expect these things to at least fit SOMEONE.  Oh well, pet
peeve.  Sorry.
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Favorite Sparring Combinations
Keywords: sparring, combinations
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:27:05 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <ogorman.703169022@unix1.tcd.ie> ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:

>In <1992Apr12.023043.7421@athena.cs.uga.edu> greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock) writes:

>>I was wondering if people would post/email me their favorite sparring
>>combinations?  I have a tournament coming up next month and I'm looking
>>for some new and interesting combinations.  


>>This will be my first "official" tournament so anything will be appreciated.

>Depends on the rules but:


>Basic Point. It isn't what you throw, it's when you throw it and from
>where.

Good point.  And if it's just a point you're looking for, something I like 
...get off the line and front hand jab punch, you might just be surprised 
at how often it will work.  ;-)
>That's the defensive one.            

>Alternatively.

>About half way through your match (say two to three points in) after you
>have just hit/been hit, go on guard, when referee says 'begin', wait a
>mo, if your opponent hasn't attacked immediately, drop your guard, stand
>up straight, walk to your opponent calmly and hit him. I know it sounds
>silly but you wouldn't believe the amount of people who stand there
>looking dumbfounded when you don't act as you're meant to...

>Ollie...

I know *I've* seen it happen at least three times.

As usual, JIMHO

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: srs@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Scott R. Stonefield)
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:18:24 GMT

brankin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (william.t.rankin) writes:

>In article <> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>>
>>In article <> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:

>>   [Century Gis] They actually do get nice and
>>   soft and more important easy to iron after a couple years.

>>*gasp* a couple of YEARS???  If I ever find a dobok that would last 
>>a couple of years, AND that fits, I'll buy a round dozen.

I wish I had bought a dozen of the "Eagle" by Century.

>*That's* one of the reasons I'm looking for a good 14oz cotton
>Keiko-Gi.  (BTW: 14 ounces is the weight of the fabric per square yard)
>My Century "Ironman" (12 oz.) has lasted a little over two years, but is
>starting to get too many holes.  I can probably stretch it out another
>year or so with patching before it completely falls apart.

>But some folks I know (hi scott!) have the old Century "Eagle" (14oz.)
>and these look better at three years than mine looks at two.  Century no
>longer makes the "Eagle" brand. :-(

(hi bill) Yes the Eagle has stood up to three beach practices, a weekend of 
practicing in sun and salt, :-) and three years, however I can no longer 
stant the pants up by them self after practice :-(.
 
>>On a related note: does anybody know anyone BESIDES Century who 
>>sells uniforms/doboks/gis in split sizes?  I know Century does 
>>this, but only with some uniforms.  Any others?

>There are some other companies out there I know.  A friend recently 
>ordered a new uniform from mailorder and he indicated that they *did*
>stock half sizes (at least 5-1/2, which is what I wear.)  I can get
>name/address of this place if anyone is interested.


Bill, Bennett might be hurt if you said hi to me and not to him :)

>> Mary Malmros
>> mary@cayman.com

>-bill
>wtr@bromo.att.com

-scott

...
Scott Stonefield
NCSU Enginnering Computer Operations
Applications Analyst Programmer
srs@eos.ncsu.edu      <--- Work
or
srs@catt.ncsu.edu     <--- Play
...

..
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Applications Analyst Programmer
From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: Favorite Sparring Combinations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 22:09:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: sparring, combinations

In article <1992Apr12.163844.14701@udel.edu> weigand@pecan.udel.edu (Steve Weigand) writes:
>My second favorite, although slightly more risque, is a combo: Turning 
>counterclockwise, you execute an outside-inside crescent kick to the 
>gaurd of your opponent (to sweep out his gaurd), then you let the
>motion of your body continue and execute a spinning-hook kick to your 
>opponent's face. Warning! This is a very powerful move and should be
>watched for control.

We have a similar technique (part of a set of 20 that we teach as an intro
set for sparring) that substitutes a side thrust for your hook kick.  Works
pretty well...

D

-- 
========================================================================
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: Musashi, blades, effectivness, etc
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:27:58 GMT

In article <oduBvk600awU8W2EYN@andrew.cmu.edu> Meron Langsner <ml57+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 	While we're still on the  subject of blades, didn't Musashi win many
>of his duels using a  bokken against a live blade ?  This would bring up
>the argument that the effect of a technique is dependent on the 
>combination of blade and swordsman.  A good swordsman with a lousy sword
>is still a good swordsman, but replace the defective blade with a good
>one and watch the performance improve.


What I understand is that Musashi chose to use a bokken instead of his
sword because he believed the bokken to be *better* than the
sword in many ways.  Why?  Well, I'm not a kenjutsu practitioner
(on a regular basis), but I know that there is a view that the
bokken is more dangerous than the sword because a crushed bone
if much more painful than one cleanly severed.

Any kenjutsu experts want to comment?


							John F Sasso


-- 
"The only way to true inspiration is the study of TedDo.  And lots
of MauMau, of course."  The Elvis Lectures
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"Since the introduction of MauMau, HP sales have skyrocketed." Book of MauMau
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: Bruce flame
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Keywords: request for proof/documentation....
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.025331.11539@eng.umd.edu>, doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
|> tap, tap, tap   .... there's your challenge.....
<===DELETION====> (more challenges)
|> 	TAP TAP TAP
<===DELETION====> (even more challenges)
|> 
|> 	*T*A*P* - *T*A*P* - *T*A*P*      *  *   *
|> 
|> 	(clear enough?)
|> 
|> 


Ah!  The first use of what will one day become a firm part of
overall and widely used network flaming etiquette!

Save that post, it will become a piece of history, because by then
everyone will have forgotten where it was first used....

--
Jonathan Dwyer
jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au
Just the FAX: +6173654466
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists
    <1992Apr11.183634.28400@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:05:53 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr11.183634.28400@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
>	what is a "thorick chow tape"? was it a tai chi tape that was
>mentioned a while (month or two) ago?
>
>-mukund acharya

 Yes, exactly.

Bud

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson)
Subject: Re: multiple opponents; combat vs. self-defense
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:52:28 GMT

poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:

>In article <barry.703210860@citr.uq.oz.au> barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson) writes:
>>keeping one of them between yourself and the rest of the group.  If you
>>can hit him/her (pick the weakest one :^) and end his/her day, then
>                           ^^^^^^^
>Funny, my teacher always recommends the opposite. Take the biggest,
>strongest, baddest, loudest, etc. first, in hopes of taking out the
>ringleader.

	The object of picking the weakest one (if you have to) is to
allow you to escape and run.  It is assumed that you are not interested
in defeating entire gangs by taking out their "champion".

	By all means, it is probably a winning strategy to attack 
godzilla if you are guaranteed of taking him out fast.  After all,
who'll want to be next?  But only do this if your victory is
assured.

	If you ever find yourself in a fight where victory is
assured, you're probably overlooking something :^)

	Barry.

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: gee@col.hp.com (Ken Gee)
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:59:43 GMT
	
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

>so what do i do...dryclean/wash&iron or just wear it till it falls to pieces?

>-mukund acharya

	I didn't wash my hakama (100% cotton) for the first 7 years I had it 
because someone told me I wasn't suppose to. I changed schools and found that
others washed their's ocassionally, so I finally washed mine.  It sure looked
a lot better afterward.

Ken
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: A new belt question
Keywords: belts, floor
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.173418.25162@midway.uchicago.edu> cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <702916120@romeo.cs.duke.edu> jfh@duke.cs.duke.edu (Fran Heidlage) writes:
>>
>>	and an interesting question arose.  I was told, somwhere in
>>	the distant past, that your belt must never touch the floor
>>	unless you were wearing it (e.g. rolls, breakfalls, ground-
>>	work, etc.)  Has anyone else out there in rec.ma land heard
>>	of such a thing?  Do you have any ideas about the origin of
>>	this tradition?  Or did I make it up in my sleep one night?
>>
>
>At promotion belt awarding ceremonies, I've heard my sensei say 
>that symbolically, your belt has carried you through the rank you
>are leaving.  It contains all the blood, sweat and tears you
>have shed while you trained in that rank.  Those receiving new
>belts sit seiza, and she tells them to take off their belts, fold
>them up, and hold them in their left hands.  Then each stands to
>receive the new belt.  Invariably, someone leaves the belt on the
>floor.  Then she says don't leave your belt on the floor.  Have 
>respect for it for carrying you through the last months, etc.
>
>Laura
>cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu

At my first school there was an interesting practice that I haven't
seen since. During the belt ceremony, the head instructor would give
you your new belt, and take your old one. He would place all the old 
ones off to one side (on the floor). After all the new belts were
distributed, he would have everybody stand, then, with a shout, throw
the old belts over our heads and behind us. That was the end of the 
ceremony. Someone would collect all the old belts from the floor, and
I presume they were all thrown in the trash. That was a Kempo school.
Anyone else ever hear of that?

Actually, I can't compare this to other schools, because I never saw another
belt ceremony. Since then (about 3 years ago) I haven't taken a belt test.
			Ed Hartnett
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: have you heard of...
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:04:31 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski) writes:
> It is misleading if you think that you need to learn a martial art. 
> The training *should* be focused on effectively learning selected
> techniques.

	The instructor in the article seemed to be of the opinion that
its better to teach people the underlying principles of the
techniques, rather than the techniques themselves.

> In a learning mode, I learned techniques not usually taught in MA's. 
> For example, how do you remove someone from a car whose hands are
> locked on the wheel and they refuse to move.  Try it at home!  It's
> not as easy as you would think.

	To be "nice", I'd use a thumb peel to get their hand off the
steering wheel, and then try to apply a pain based wrist control. But
I kind of doubt that I'd have the finesse to carry it off.

> If there is some interest in (my opinion) on the subject, I'll
> follow-up as time allows.
> 

	I'm interested (but then, I'm interested in most everything
;-) )

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: Here we go again...
Keywords: Crunch, Break, Ow!
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:55:12 GMT

A resident Aikido evangelist enters this discussion:


In article <2728@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.234542.21579@leland.Stanford.EDU> sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger) writes:
>>Judo is not a martial art.  It is a sport.  
>
>	Nahhhh, it's a desert topping...
>
>	Listen, bub, judo is a martial art that can be practiced as a sport.
>The rules are there so that judokas don't all end up in wheelchairs before
>they reach the fourth kyu.
>
This is the same in Aikido.  Our early techniques look more like dance than
martial arts.  Have you seen Kaitenage Tenkan?  Uke grabs Nage's hand.
Nage spins him around gracefull, up, down, around, through, and
throw!  All the while Uke holds on.  Why?  No one knows... ;-)

>>adequate training for serious combat because you don't practice either 
>>delivering or dealing with the really lethal stuff. 
>
>	You mean like chokes and armbars?  What "really lethal stuff" ?
>The Secret Dim Mak Delayed Death Foot Sweep? What?
>
Bizarre.  Maybe my colleague (?) means that at his dojo they attack
with axes and chainsaws.  They don't at mine, though.


>>Aikido has many of the same [...] however, you are required to have a much 
>>better knowledge of anatomy.  
>
>	Huh?
>
This is true.  Three of our black belts are MD's ;-)


>> a less aggressive approach [ is always bad ]
>
>	Isn't it much easier to respond to an attack than to succesfully 
>initiate one?  By the way, the basic aikido strategy for multiple opponents
>is to move in such a way as to cause them to be in each other's way while 
>avoiding their attacks.  Not to stand there and take shots until you can
>apply kote-gaeshi.
>
True.  It is survival for as long as possible against as many as possible.


>	The drawback to aikido as self defense is that it takes a 
>relatively long time to master to the extent that you can use it against
>a skilled and determined opponent.  The drawback to judo as self defense is
>that strikes are seldom taught and almost never studied in depth. It
>can also be weak against multiple attackers.
>
Have you studied Aikido?  Your comments are much more in tune with what
I study than what my "colleague" professes.

								JFS



-- 
"The only way to true inspiration is the study of TedDo.  And lots
of MauMau, of course."  The Elvis Lectures
"I am not the False Bob, I am a free man."  The Book of FalseBobs
"Since the introduction of MauMau, HP sales have skyrocketed." Book of MauMau
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Posting guidelines
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:43:59 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <sgfapINNln4@agate.berkeley.edu> upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>The idea is this:  no one will be permitted to write declarative sentences 
>about any art unless they have personally trained in it for at least a
>month.
>Comments?

If we made it two months, then you couldn't post any such statements
about Aikido!?

hehehe

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Ninjitsu
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:34:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.061121.26951@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> izar@cs.huji.ac.il writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.205315.27633@lclark.edu>, balrog@lclark.edu (Richard Rogers) writes:
>|> the modern origin of the term Ninjutsu.  Originaly known as Shinobi 
>|> (stealers in) they came to be known as Ninja (one who perserveres or
>|> endures) due their inhuman seeming attributes.
>
>	Isn't it the other way round ? Ninja is the "stealer in" and Shinobi 
>       "the one that endures" ?

I hear that "nin" and "shinobi" refer to the same Japanese ideogram, 
and that it has two meanings: a) endurance, perseverance, and 
forbearance in both the physical and mental realms, and b) stealth, 
secretiveness, or concealment.
--
Richard A. Drury                                    drury@helix.nih.gov
National Institutes of Health                                   
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: toman@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (joseph toman)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Organization: /local/lib/rn/organization
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:35:45 GMT

In article <2713@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.111829.770@gacvx2.gac.edu> karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick) writes:
>>against a katana, is that the katana can typically cut through the
>>alloys used to make other weapons, as well as any armor someone might
>
>	Didn't (don't?) warriors armed with spear, naginata, and even
>axe ("ono",right?) regularly best katana-wielding samurai?  Wasn't
>Musashi defeated by a monk with a ( :-) ) four foot staff?  A *wooden*
>staff?
>
	No, by a samurai with a four foot staff, time on his hands,
	and a divine revelation. "Take a log and take control of it's
	vital elements", now what the heck is that supposed to mean ? :-)
>
>
						J. Toman