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From: jfile@bmers3.bnr.ca (Jonathan File)
Subject: Identifying soc.motssers at the MOW
Reply-To: jfile@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:00:20 GMT

Too bad we don't have a soc.motss pin or something to identify soc.motssers.
Myself, never having been to a motss con, wouldn't know a motsser if I 
tripped over one.  Anyone have any ideas?

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From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: MOW: reservations made!
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:15:11 GMT

In article <1ikcavINNho8@transfer.stratus.com>, lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann) writes:

>There is a wonderful Mongolian BBQ, in Chinatown, the name of
>which escapes me just now.  If people are coming in on
>Saturday night, that might be a place to go meet.  if people
>are interested, I can look up the name and address.

That would be Tony Cheng's Mongolian BBQ, and yes, it's a great place where you
create your own dishes, all you can eat for dinner.  I'm not sure how well it
would handle a big crowd, but I think it's worth investigating.

Katie
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:39:51 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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In article <1993Jan9.152853.8576@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
>>Jess Anderson writes:
>
>>>(I believe you must mean "Not all gay men are,
>>>rather than "All gay men are not," by the way.)
>
And George Madison replies:

>>A difference without a difference, methinks.
>
>Shirley, you jest.  I thought you called yourself a writer.
>To quote the Chuang Tsu: "Words are not just blown air; they
>have a meaning."
>
I am reminded of a similar discussion by my semantics professor,
who noted that a certain author of a text on semantics would likely be stuck
on the train because Amtrak used to announce, "Next stop, New
Haven. All doors will not open." Let's hope that you would have the
good sense to get off the train, Jess. You wouldn't want spend the
afternoon on Amtrak listening to the latest version of syntactic theory.
     The phrase "All gay men are not.." is ambiguous between the
two readings: "Not all gay men are.." and "No gay men are.." Of course,
if you want to be more precise you will use the unambiguous
wording, but even in the ambiguous wording, I believe the preferred
interpretation would be to that 'not all gay men are' rather than 'all
gay men are'. We can test this empirically of course, if someone wants
to give me a grant...

Gary Byma
From: christie@porgy.dfci.harvard.edu (Linda A. Christie)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: REQUEST: MOW Update & # for Official Travel Agents
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:15:06 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: na
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Can anyone familiar with D.C. and its environs kindly
supply some information about camping possibilities for
the March?  We're now entertaining the idea of tenting
due to limited funds (3 out of 4 are full-time students).

Thanks,

Linda

Here's what Capital travel sent me:
---------------------------------------------------------
Hotel list for the Gay, Lesbian & Bi March for Equal Rights

Reservations must be guaranteed with a credit card or check!!
Room rates are for Fri/Sat/Sun.  Other nights may be at higher
rates

Rates are per room not per person.  Occupancy 1-4 people per
room unless otherwise noted.

All rates are plus tax and parking charges are usually additional

All hotels are in Washington, D.C. unless otherwise noted for
Virginia
------------------------------------------------------------

Ramada Inn			$95 Sat. night only
Stouffer's Concourse-VA		$99.00
The Grand Hotel			$125 (party of 1 or 2 (not
					available for larger parties)
Ramada Renaissance Techworld	$125 single/double
				$140 triple/$155 quad
Key Bridge Marriott-VA		$127
Loews L'Enfant Plaza		$135
Wyndham Bristol Hotel		$139
Embassy Suites Crystal City-VA	$139
Embassy Suites Chevy Chase	$165
Pullman Highland Hotel		$130 (party of one +$15 each addtl adult)
Ritz Carlton Pentagon City-VA	$150 party of 1 or 2 (not
                                        available for larger parties)
Ritz Carlton Washington		$175 party of 1 or 2 (not
                                        available for larger parties)

SOUTHEASTERN BLOCK
Hyatt Regency Capitol Hill	$119 (Reserved for Georgia)
Holiday Inn Capitol		$121
Washington Court		$125

To get on mailing list for march info updates call 202-628-0493
or 800/832-2889

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:29:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.182645.16870@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu 
(Brian Jarvis) writes:
>
>>If the first active rebellion against governmental oppression of queer
>>folk in our modern history had occurred in Thailand, or the United Kingdom,
>>I would advocate celebrating *that* date.  The modern, public gay rights
>>and queer liberation movements around the world mark their "coming out"
>>at Stonewall.
>
>You've polled everyone of them and they all came up affirmative?
>Or did you define "modern" to get the results you want?
>
>Either explanation is fine by me.  I'm just trying to reconcile these
>all-inclusive simplistic statements with my knowledge that there's a
>_lot_ of diversity in a population of 5 billion across six* continents
>and a recorded history of more than 5000 years.

Can you suggest any other events which have had as much influence?
Remember that whatever it is has to have a *date*, not a time period. 

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From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:31:33 GMT

In article <1iu56tINNrgf@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.072744.27430@netcom.com> 
>cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:
>> Reality Check for those glorifying Stonewall:
>>
>
>> In fact, most of what we'd call
>> queers on this planet might not identify themselves as such
>> because they concieve of sexuality in different terms.
>
>Um, I don't know that it's really up to you or
>me to impose our definitions on people who conceive
>of sexuality in terms different from ours.

From the characterization of her background that Caroline has provided
in previous postings, I *would* expect her to have a greater understanding
of the concepts and attitudes of non-North Americans.  I may be wrong here,
but that's certainly the impression I have.

>
>> I am thinking primarily of Asia, which is where most people on this
>> planet live, but Latin America also comes to mind, off the top of my head.
>> The concept of "gay pride" would be a foreign one, and the idea of
>> celebrating some riot at a bar in NYC would seem ridiculous to them.
>
>Yeah, well, I didn't realize that Gay Pride events
>were designed to celebrate the "as long as I'm on top
>sticking it in I'm not a woman" male sexuality of 
>rural Mexico.

And I do not feel that you have a very sensitive grasp of the sexuality
and homosexuality of all of Mexico.  You jackass.

>
>> It's important for the US, but let's not get outta hand here.
>
>Yes, let's not.
>
sniff loudly.  lean your head back.  look down your nose.
BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU ARE RIGHT.

-paul

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, etc.
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 00:46:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73226@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan9.053457.19935@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>Scot's description of "camp-impaired" was perfect.  There's no
>other explanation for it.

I disagree, but then, you knew that.

>I've only seen him react tartly to two individuals here, and that's

We obviously have different definitions of "tart."

>you expect?  George, it doesn't take more than a poke or two in your
>eye to start you sputtering, so don't try to take any moral high

My ground's certainly higher than the jerk who's doing the
poking.

>just as _one_ example, your responses to Jeff Dauber were pathetic--you
>might as well have shot yourself in the head rather than have said what
>you did.  Or at least have kept quiet.  Don't you realize that it
>doesn't do _you_ any service to reply to a taunt in such a way that you
>end up looking _worse_ than before?  I mean, this school-boy "I know
>you are but what am I?" response is incredibly lame.  Believe me,

I'm not here to *impress* you, Jeff Dauber, or anyone else.

>Uh-huh.  And even those who recognize the distortion realize it
>isn't the point, which is George-baiting, a ridiculously easy
>endeavor and source of entertainment.  Yet when this happens,
>you let them pull your strings and you bark on cue.

I'll tell you something I've learned from here and life in
general: if you let a bully get away with whatever shit he's
pulling -- and make no mistake, that's what Arne is -- they do
*not*, as the "nice folk" would tell you, just go away.

Furthermore, I clearly have a different perspective on this
"baiting" issue, and frankly, it doesn't bother me. I've tried
to express before that I have very little "real" emotional
involvment with this, or any other "argument" I've been in.
It's a *game*.  And yes, part of that game is (as Jess 
Anderson noted) getting the "last word."

And frankly, I think **YOU** have little call to get up on a
soapbox and prate at *me*, given that you're the one who asked
the question in public that started the whole thing in the FIRST
place.

>>>Now, how about trying to be an objective core relative?
>>You first.
>You flunk.  You can't believe how disappointed I am with this line.

Once again, I'm not here to impress you. Secondly, there is no
such thing as "objective."

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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cl*yt*n - who are you?
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:35:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan7.203529.28526
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan7.180745.22930@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>>Just what would you do while looking at his picture?  :-)
>I'd buy a dart board just for the occasion.  It wouldn't be the slightest
>bit productive, but it's cheap entertainment.

that'd sure play hell with your CRT, wouldn't it?

I have a mental picture of Cl*t*n, actually.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:18:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.164420.25075@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.162207.13155@osf.org>
> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> 
> >On the other hand, anyone willing to pay $250/oz really doesn't care
> >what it costs, or how it got that way, do they?
> 
> Frankly, at $4.80/lb, I consider Total Corn Flakes to
> be the greater ripoff.  Even at $250/(fluid) oz, the daily
> expenditure for scent would be an insignificant fraction of
> the cost of any such basic food.

Oh, I guess so. It's just that the thought of forking over the $250
*all at once* makes it seem more expensive.

Besides which, I seem to be able to live without commercial scents,
but don't try depriving me of my breakfast cereal!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bill@psych.toronto.edu (Bill Pusztai)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:30:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.195658.16430@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) wrote:
 
>>In article <C0MB65.Ln1@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
 
>>>In article <1993Jan5.225714.22900@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A.
Thomas) writes of the anniversary of the Stonewall riots:
>>>EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD should observe it on the last Sunday of June.
 
>>I don't see any smilies, but I hope to Gawd you mean this sarcastically.
 
>why would you say something so silly?
 
It does not seem silly to me. I do not feel a strong
connection to an event that happened when I was 2, in a
foreign country, to people I do not especially identify
with.
 
I'd much rather remember something that was important
in Toronto queer evolution ... the Bathhouse Raids, for
example.
 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:02:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.003127.10297@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Do Canadians have sex? :-) :-)

I'm glad you asked!  B{)   [Sorry, I just had to say it.]

Ahem.
Yes, and damn good sex at that.


Is sex, like bathhouses, going to be reveled as a U.S. invention too?  B{)

Brian
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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: US Schools Adding Lessons on Gay Life
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:30:13 GMT

There's an article in the Education section of today's
(1/6/93) New York Times about how public school districts
all over the US are slowly and cautiously adding mention
of homosexuality and G/L families to their sex education
and Family Life curricula.  San Francisco and Fairfax
County, Virginia, were held up as the most sucessful
examples.  The article suggests that New York City ran into
trouble with its similar "Children of the Rainbow" curriculum
because it failed to include parents in developing the
curriculum and is trying to introduce it to first-graders,
rather than older kids (6th/7th graders), like other, more
successful programs...
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Multnomah County boycotts Colorado
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:48:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan10.224821.781
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

(Excerpted from the January 1 Just Out, in the local news section)

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Bigots get boycotts for Christmas

Citizens in Springfield, OR and Colorado are about to pay the price
for voting to forbid civil rights protection for their gay and lesbian
residents. The Multnomah County Board of Commissioners has joined the
cities of Atlanta, GA, and Seattle, WA, as well as countless
individuals in boycotting Springfield and Colorado. [Multnomah County
covers the interior part of Portland, OR.]

The Multnomah County Board of Commissioners voted Dec. 10 to forbid
"The spending of any County funds for travel to or from or activiites
within any state or locality that has constitutional or charter
provisions, laws or ordinances which prohibit the adoption or
enforcement of laws or ordinances protecting the civil rights of
individuals based on their sexual orientation."

The resolution, which was sponosred by Commissioner Pauline Anderson,
passed unanimously. Anderson describes it as "very compatible with the
philosophy of the present board." That board also spoke out against
Ballot Measure 9. Anderson said that although the boycott is mostly
symbolic, such boycotts are the most effective way to protest official
bigotry in other states and cities. She points as an example to the
boycott of Arizona protesting the state's refusal to declare Martin
Luther King Day to be an official holiday.

The resolution reads in part, "...it is incumbent on all citizens to
take a stand against overt hatred directed at persons because of
sexual orientation, race, color, sex, national origin, religion, age,
disability or condition ... the public good is best served by not
spending money in states or municipalities which discriminate against
certain citizens." [Yow! I didn't realize we had Bolshies running our
county ;-)]

The commissioners decided to allow two exceptions to the resolution.
Law enforcement officials will continue to travel wherever they need
to prosecute criminals, and four county library officials will be
permitted to attend a January conference in Denver because their
travel arrangements have already been made.

Anderson says she has received only one call in support of the boycott
and about a dozen opposed. The phone number for the Multnomah County
Board clerk is 503-248-3277. Officials from neither Colorado nor
Springfield have contacted the commissioners about the resolution.

[the article goes on to talk about similar resolutions in Seattle and
Atlanta, and then a bit about how the Springfield law might soon be
overturned.]
---

I'm not able to send this to the appopriate CO-2 mailing list, because
I've lost the address.
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From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: New Republic subscription letter
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:58:41 GMT

Chad Jones (cjones@physci.ucla.edu) wrote:
: I got a letter from the New Republic yesterday wanting me to subscribe. 
: After opening it, I was about to toss it when I saw a second letter
: inside that had quotes from GLAAD, The Advocate, et al., praising it. 
: The letter was from Andrew Sullivan, praising himself and the magazine
: because he's openly gay, and what a great asset NR is to the gay
: community.  That was my inspiration to throw it into the recycling bin. 
: I guess the Advocate is selling its mailing list again.

Several years ago, the Advocate silently dropped their "we don't sell our
subscription list" policy.  I started getting mailings to my PO box with
the distinctive middle initial that indicated it came via the Advocate.

I'm not surprised - given the long-time target audience of the Advocate -
well-off gay <primarily caucasian> males, and that even now that's the
primary audience they're catering to, that mailing list is a gold-mine.
Incidentally, Malibu Sales (both the erotica/toys and clothing parts)
are a part of LPI, the parent to the Advocate, but I've gotten mailings
from Shocking Grey, International Male, New Republic, HRCF, and other
organization that bought their mailing list.
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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOW: reservations made!
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:06:49 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

I'll be there from Wednesday to Wednesday (my reservations are bigger
than your reservations :-) ) so anytime is fine by me.

I'm obligated to march with the New Jersey contingent due to my
involvement with certain organizations.  IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO MEET
UP WITH ANYONE during the march.  At most local parades (like NYC and
NJ) you can run from one group to another to visit your friends but the
1987 MOW was so huge you were lucky if you were able to just stay with
your group without getting lost.

Considering that MOW93 will be twice as large, maybe we should plan a
couple of dinners.  Maybe two before the march and one after?

Tom
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Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:33:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.133321.10936
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan6.095233.2723@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>I don't know about you, but the time I had crabs they did not bite.
>Itch, perhaps, as they crawled over skin, but they did not bite.
>Neither do lice. They like to hang onto hairs and eat dead skin, so
>there is really nothing for them to nibble on when it comes to flesh.

They take a blood meal twice a day.  If you don't notice this, it may
reflect that you haven't developed a hypersensitivity to the bites.


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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:40:22 GMT

In article <73325@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) 
writes:
>
>>in La Furr's reaction
>    ^^   
>That would be "Le Furr," to get it correct, assuming you're
>swiping from French.

Hey girlfriend, she knows her French...


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