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From: fields@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew H. Fields)
Subject: Psych Prof Pushes Fake Memory Theory
Keywords: University of Washington, Seattle
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:59:52 GMT

From page A9, The Chronicle of Higher Education, 13 September 1992

summarized and paraphrased (please see the original article if interested)

Elizabeth F. Loftus, a U. of Washington psychology professor and professed
survivor of childhood sexual abuse, says she is almost obsessed with
alerting therapists, the courts, and public officials to the possiblity--
the likelyhood, even--that many repressed memories of childhood sexual
abuse may have no basis in fact and may be suggested by therapists.

"I've been able to find evidence for a massive amount of suggestion
going on in therapy, for things like someone coming in and a therapist
saying, 'Everyone I've seen with your symptoms was sexually abused.
Were you?' "

Although she is aware of how many people she will outrage, Ms. Loftus
argues that false memories of sexual abuse are "all tied in, of course,
with the popular recovery movement where you have to find 'the inner
child.'"

Laura S. Brown, an adjunct professor of clinical psychology at the
University of Washington, says Ms. Loftus's contention that therapists
shouldn't ask about sexual abuse to avoid suggesting memories to the
patient is shocking.  It would be unethical not to ask about so
common a trauma as sexual abuse when symptoms point to its likelyhood,
she says.

Other critics say that Ms. Loftus unreasonably extrapolates from experiments
to real-life situations.  Ms. Loftus herself describes a "really bizarre"
incident in which she believes that a false memory was implanted in her
mind by the insistense of her uncle.

Ms. Loftus specializes in theories of memory and in testifying before
criminal courts about her research into the unreliability of
eye-witnesses, to fight the danger of wrongful conviction.

She has been involved in about 170 cases of crime, including murder,
rape, and robbery.  She has testified in the defense of some notorious
criminals, including Ted Bundy (in an early kidnapping case, not the
murder charges for which he was executed), and Angelo Buono and
Kenneth Bianchi, who were convicted as the Hillside Stranglers of Los
Angeles.  Ms. Loftus has also, however, worked for the defense in many
cases that did not end in convictions, including the much-publicized
McMartin day-care case [see John Crewdson's coverage of this --MHF].
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: Testing
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:23:05 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <Bv7K9u.GC6@belay>, cryst@belay (Crystal Bell) writes:
>can someone please try sending me a reply just so I know.
>(Preferable someone not from Calgary.)
>                                        **Crystal**

While I can't get NetMail to you, I can see and respond to everything you post
publicly...  (Provided I also publiclly reply... :) )

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From: cbaljs@med.unc.edu (Linda Stevenson)
Subject: testing
Originator: cbaljs@toast
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:53:11 GMT

Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Keywords: 


how do you post anonamously here I tried before
and my name showed up with the anon. #
sorry but this is a test only- I'm still to
insecure to post openly.
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: cloister@stein.u.washington.edu (cloister bell)
Subject: Re: Hin'ts for SO's (Spoiler/Updated)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:18:25 GMT

that sounds like a good idea.  i'll stick it in the FAQ list for next time.
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From: warton@ssd.intel.com (Peter Warton)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: ANGRY at my parents *** SPOILER ***
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:38:23 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.


GUILTY AS CHARGED.
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Peter Warton  (the h was dropped    | Against my better judgement (not to
over 800 years ago) 		    | mention the advice of my friends) I
warton@ssd.intel.com		    | speak for myself.
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower)
Subject: Re: I think it's progress
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:06:04 GMT

In article <9210021754.AA14007@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Susan R Pence <srpence@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>  For those of you who remember me mentioning my on-going battle with my
>super"jerk"visor, it's still going on. He did my pre-evaluation two nights ago
[...]
>   Since the "first incident" where he trashed my therapy, my counselor and me,
>and told me I should leave my problems/upsets at home he has repeatedly asked
>me IN FRONT OF THE OTHER STAFF how I am doing. He goes out of his way to do
>this and I have felt very harrassed by it. I basically have not responded to
>him and he tried to rip me apart for that. Now I'm not being sociable/friendly
>enough because I don't answer his questions. What a jerk!

In my training, I was told (the obvious), *NEVER* *EVER* embarrass an
employee in front of others.  I suspect that you did answer his
questions by saying, as politely as you could at the time, that it was
not appropiate for him to ask you, especially in that manner and in
front of others.  If you blew up in his face, I would understand that!


[...]
>    I guess I should say that I DO NOT go around telling everyone I meet (I'm
>not that bold or that whole yet) and I do take the other person's comfort
>level into consideration.

I think some people don't know how to respond, and feel defensive.
However, you already are aware of this.  So I feel that your attitude
towards telling people, seems fine to me.


>    Opinions??? How would you guys (gals?) have handled it. I'll let you know 
>how the union's letter (which btw will have documentation and a letter from me
>attached) is received.
>    Susan


How about "people" rather than "guys (gals?)"?


Gavin
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From: krueger@COMM.MOT.COM (Kevin Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Lawyers in Chicago
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:25:13 GMT

I know there are a million lawyers in Chicago (I imagine most are
worthless and overpaid), but I am looking for some who might
have had experience with child sex abuse cases.  Does anyone have
any leads for me ?

Please post if you have a reply.

Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Subject: Started Martial Arts
Summary: started martial arts
Keywords: martial arts
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:29:49 GMT

I started training in Hapkido a few weeks ago, both to get my butt into shape
and feel safer. For those who don't know, hapkido is a Korean martial art that
is entirely self-defense oriented (no competitions, no forms) It can best be
described as a cross between Ju Jitsu and TaiKwonDo. The training is tough, in
the 'old country' style and has left me feeling demoralized and in a victim
mode, despairing at ever learning self-defense. Being out of shape and     
uncoordinated is only part of the problem. The big problem is that I'm too
passive and have zero confidence in my ability to actually learn this stuff.

Has anybody out there tried to learn a martial art, and how did you cope?

 
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  Ta Ta For Now      | Beware of the demon Wizzy Wig, the father of 
        Tim          | typographic lies... 
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: doug@cdc.hp.com (Doug Sojourner)
Subject: Book review
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:21:37 GMT
Reply-To: dsojourner@cdc.hp.com
Organization: HP California Design Center, Santa Clara, CA
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Flying in Place, by Susan Palwick
Copyright (C) 1992 by Susan Palwick
Published by Tom Doherty Associates, Inc.
175 Fifth Ave, New York, NY  10010

In brief, this is a well written story of a young girl's struggle to
end the abuse her father (a respected surgeon) is inflicting on her.

I really liked hearing some things I wished I could have been
told/taught as a child, & would like to share some brief quotes by way
of example. 


***Warning***
This includes a (fictional) case of sexual assault, violence &
language which some may find offensive.











[Janie (the protagonist's friend) just got home after punching a boy
her age who tried to feel her breast.  The boy's father (Ewmet) is
trying to get her father (Tom) to pay for the dentist bill ...]

[Ewmet:] "`One can't blame the boys for presuming --`

	"`Yes,` Tom Halloran said, `one can.  One can blame your boy
for being a rude little shit.  Billy Washoe didn't try to grope Janie,
and he's the same age your Tad is!  What you can't do, sir, is blame
my girl for defending herself.  ...  If Janie walked outside buck
naked and somebody touched her without her permission, she could knock
all his teeth down his throat and I'd tell her she was right to do it!
..`"

[Much later, Emma (the protagonist) has decided to fight for herself,
her life, and for any other girls her father might attack.  She is
screaming, kicking, and calling for Mom.  She's also being beat very
badly. Just as she thinks that she will be killed,]
"... Tom Halloran stood behind him, my father's collar in one hand and
Jane's baseball bat in the other.

	"`If you touch that child again,` Tom said, his face beet-red,
`I'll smash your skull in, you psychotic prick.`"
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dsojourner@cdc.hp.com                California Design Center, 53U/84
Telnet: 1-553-3171                   5301 Stevens Creek Blvd
Phone:  (408) 553-3171               Santa Clara, CA  95052-8059
From: stote@tomcat.den.mmc.com (M. Stote)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: ******SPOILT HER*****
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:53:12 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group

[Lots of stuff by Brandywine deleted ]
|> 
|> I actually delt with it rather well... much better than I have in the
|> past... and anyone who wants to have a pity party and cry... I will
|> support that too... I can't cry. AND WHAT WAS TAKEN CAN NEVER BE
|> RETURNED.... it should be mourned like a death... and kept sacred
|> withing...
|> 
|> that is how *I* feel.... each of us had very special things
|> destroyed... by our perps and by people who refus never had a chance to live.... the physical abuse is bad enough, but
|> it is the years of silence and fear that create the probelms for me...
|> how can I ever trust myself or anyone else?
|> 
|> it is a fact, not a pity party... dealing with it somehow is also a
|> fact... but if I choose to mourn my dead child within.... then I can.
|> 
|> however, she can also choose not to be around me... I have a lot of
|> anger and I can see how wanting to avoid it would be healthy for
|> some... not everyone is strong enough... and that is another fact.
|> 

For me the part that was stolen was the ability to accept another's love
unconditionally.  Its easy for me to love someone else and be sensitive and
aware of their needs.  It is almost impossible for me to communicate my
desire for love and my needs to another.  Further It is even harder to
accept love from another.  I think it touches a deep hurt at the center of
my soul, cause it feel like a knife stabbing deep deep into my heart and gut.

I am still hopeful that this part of me is not dead yet,  but I am realistic 
that it may be and that as a consequence of my abuse and my way of responding 
to that abuse this part of me may be dead for my life on this earth.  Its
a sad realization adn like I said I'm not ready to give up the fight yet.


|> 
|> blessings,
|> brandywine
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> *****************************************************************
|> "And I feel it like a sickness how this love is killing me
|>  but I walk into the fingers of your fire willingly
|>  and dance the edge of sanity, I've never been this close
|>  in love with your ghost...."
|> 
|> -_Ghost
|> The Indigo Girls
|> *****************************************************************
|> 

That is an excellent description of how it feels for me to try to let
myself feel someone's love.  And yet in my war to open the doors and 
let that love in I am walking on the edge of sanity.

Another cd i *have* to buy - budget be damned full steam ahead :)
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From: mcmorris@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (brandywine)
Subject: Re: over-achievers?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:37:38 GMT

I suppose I am an interesting case....
I am an ex-overachiever... or someone who lost the drive to be what
others call "sucessful"
I am not sure where it stopped. but when I went to college, I no
longer had the drive to be what I could be. I *TRIED* to fail out...
and didn't succeed. I mean I tried... and then at the last minute I
would give in, do the work... and come out with Cs.
*sigh(
but, in High School, I know I thought that if I could just be perfect
in something everything else woudl go away. I wouldn't have to deal
with it. (perhaps dealing with it, as I have been since the last
semester of my HS senior year is part of my loss of energy towards
success. I finally realized that NO MATTER WHAT, I would have the
pain)
anyway... I see a definite link. my family acknoledged the abuse the
June before I started school (although I always knew about the
abuse... or at least part of it)
so, that is my answer... an ex-over-achiever... and it is all or
nothing with me... so now I sit with Cs wondering where the time went
and hating myself for new reasons

-brandywine





*****************************************************************
"And I feel it like a sickness how this love is killing me
 but I walk into the fingers of your fire willingly
 and dance the edge of sanity, I've never been this close
 in love with your ghost...."

-_Ghost
The Indigo Girls
*****************************************************************
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From: anon-1012@twwells.com (All Me of Us)
Subject: Re: Karla Marie Alwan, survivor
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:41:26 GMT
X-Email-Accepted: yes
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com

Scott, I was so sorry to hear of Karla's death.  Thank you
for letting us know; she was an important member of asar.

I wish I could say something to make your pain go away, but
I know that is not the answer.  Instead, I want to share with
you a huge hug that Karla sent so me several months ago when I
was having a hard time.  Feel free to pass it on if you can't
accept it right now.




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From: anon-1254@twwells.com
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: confused
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:07:21 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com

This is a little strange for me.
 
I just feel really confused lately, the feeling like I can't get my act
together at all.  My classes just feel too much but I know they aren't.
It's that drowning feeling with no way out.  Confused about a whole bunch of
things, friends, parents, brothers, classes, therapy and generally life.

I know that it will end because it has in the past but when, now...
The three weeks that I have been back at school are just a blur I can't seem
to remember any of it.  Some faces, some names but they don't always match.
My dreams, they are about the only clear things I remember.  Those which
I would choose to forget.

I wish there was a book I could just leaf through and it could tell me what
 I am doing here, at school, in this life.  

Does anyone ever get this confused?  How do you break it?  And I wonder if 
I want to break it because what I have been doing has probably been a waste of 
time and it would only make me angry.

Thanks.
S



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From: anon-1005@twwells.com (Bones)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: mpd
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:04:25 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com


    **************MPD MESSAGE****************












HANG ON....IT'S COMING.







I'm also multiple but not due to cult abuse.  Do any of you have
alters that panic and fight against telling?  The fear is that
exposure to others will open us to destruction.  Of course, being
stuck inside all the time is pretty destructive.  Can't do any real
living if we are trying so hard not to let people know we are here.



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From: anonasar@khijol.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Hints for SO's: Sleep (Possible Spoiler)
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:07:58 GMT

X-ANON-Version: 0.5

The various threads on problems with sleep remind me of something I
should have added to the hints for SO's:

**************************** spoiler warning *******************************

My beloved survivor has a lot of trouble getting to sleep and staying
asleep: nightmares and panic attacks abound.  This is one of the
places where I think an SO needs the patience of a saint, because
there's nothing like being dead tired yourself, or needing to be
well-rested for an important whatever the next day, and then being
wakened a dozen times during the night by a survivor's difficulties.
I'm not a saint, and will on occasion get pretty testy about it. 

The important hint for SO's is not that you should never get annoyed
or say things while half-asleep that you would'nt say otherwise; but
rather that you should explain and say you're sorry in the morning, so
that things don't get worse.  Having an alternate place to sleep
(e.g., couch, separate bed) when times are rough has also helped.

The getting to sleep part can be tough.  On really bad nights I have
sat up and read in the same room until sleep came to the survivor.  I
surmise that a lot of childhood abuse occurred around bedtime, and
that this is therefore a time of particular stress and terror when
things are going badly.  I haven't gone so far as reading "Goodnight,
Moon" aloud, but I would if I thought it would help :-) Anyhow, being
there as a reassuring presence until sleep comes is another way an SO
can help.

JASO (Just Another SO)


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From: blackbourner@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: friend
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:10:26 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

I just found out last night that one of my best friends was raped when she 
was 17. I am the 3rd person she's told. I feel sad and angry. I hate it 
when people I love have been hurt!

Erin Sue
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: faype@bcvms.bc.edu
Subject: Re: mpd
Organization: Boston College
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:39:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.024107.9638@morrow.stanford.edu>, blaze@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Suki) writes:
> 
> 	I'm trying to figure out how to say this without going into serious
> rage here.  You just pushed a button.  ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN 
> SEXUALLY ABUSED SHOULD BE BELIEVED!!!! Excuse my yelling, but statements
> like "except in the minds..." piss me off, because they further disbelief,
> and HURT those who have heard that the abuse was not real.  
> 
Thank you for saying that.  All I ever hear these days is "she/he is probably 
just making it up to get attention."  In other words, "somebody shut him 
up". 

> 	Cult abuse survivors have some of the most painful stories I have
> ever heard.  It generally starts at a very young age, and continues for
> a long time.  One of the more common ways that people (children) survive
> cult abuse is to go multi....
> 
There is plenty of it out there.  Just hang around survivors and you'll run 
into it - not necessarily the way you imagine cult abuse, but 
it's there.  Much of it involves religious or group ceremonies as part of the 
abuse.