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From: pbhakta@nmsu.edu (BHAKTA)
Subject: VITAL SIGN SONG....CHALLA
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:13:53 GMT



Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone out there listens to 
the Pakistani group Vital Sign.  They have had many hits in 
the past like "Dil Dil Pakistan" and "Gori".  

Recently they had a album released, it was called "AITBAAR".
The album has two songs on it which has nice tune on them but 
the words are so rarely heard.  I was wondering if anyone out there
could post the lyrics of those two songs.   The songs are:

    1.  Challa
    2.  Yeh Zameen

Also if you could please send a english translation of the first
song.  Thank you very much.  


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From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Subject: Ranking the Lyricists ...
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:19:54 GMT


Of all the people who contribute toward a given song, it is the 
lyricist(s) who go the most unsung (as it were). In some sense, it 
is the lyrics which give a song its essential character - since, 
after all, a song can be sung by different artistes, recorded under 
different direction, and so on, and still be the same song, but 
change the lyrics, and one generally regards it as a different 
song. My ignorance of the names, contributions, and relative strengths 
of the famous lyricists is rather shameful. Can we get a thread going 
on the lyricists - the names, periods, thematic contents, other strengths,
and (subjectively of course), also a ranking ? 


Satyen
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: akbangia@roxana.Princeton.EDU (Anil Kumar Bangia)
Subject: Lyrics wanted.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:30:17 GMT

 Hi guys,
  I am looking for the lyrics of the following songs,

1. Huzoor is kadar bhi na itera ke chaleeye (Masoom).
2. Bol re papiharaa (I don't remember the movie).

   Mail it to me and I will post the final version on the net.

      There is this song that I remember having heard in India last summer, but nobody
seems to know about it. It goes this way, 'Mere chatri ke neeche aajaa, kyon bheege
 re salma khadi khadi'.Does anybody know of this song, which movie it is in? If
possible, mail me the lyrics.

cheers, 
Anil.
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Best Indian Films Ever Made???
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:20:07 GMT

In article <eb139.724674990@fred> eb139@cs.city.ac.uk (MAHMOOD Z) writes:
>I invite my fellow netters to post their fave indian films ever. I have
>narrowed my list down to two all time greats....
>
>1 - Sholay 
>(starring of course Amitabh and Dharmendra and the late, great Amjad Khan)
>   - in my opinion the best Indian film ever made..Amjad Khan's performance
>     is his best ever..and he steals the show with his dialogue. The soundtrack
>     is not exactly brilliant but pretty good all the same.
>
>2 - Roti Kapda Aur Makan 
>(starring Amitabh and Manoj Kumar)
>   - Excellent storyline...the direction could have been better though.
>     Features my fave song of all time (mehghai maar gayi).
Those are indeed great movies..  let me add 

1. Jaane bhee do yaaron 
2. Deewar (Angry young man.. AB)
3. Angoor 
4. Muquaddar ka Sikander 

Maybe I am too biased towards Amitabh.
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: sarwate@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Dilip V. Sarwate)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Jai Naik - Bilaskhani Todi
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:24:37 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
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harsh@wam.umd.edu (R. P. Harshavardhan) writes:

>Jai Naik recommends "Nike Ghungariya" by Pt Paluskar
>To the best of my knowledge :Nike Ghungariya " is Ustad Amirkhan's
>unless Panditji has sung the same cheez.

Pt. D. V. Paluskar's rendition of "Baaje Nike Ghungariya" can be found on a
HMV LP.  I don't have the number handy here at the office, but the LP has a
collection of short renditions of various Raagas (Lalit, Bibhas, Bilaskhani
Todi, Gaud Sarang, and one other? on Side A, and Kedar, Hameer, Bhimpalas,
Tilak Kamod?, and Malkauns on Side B).  These pieces were very obviously
recorded originally for publication as 78 rpm records (that is, the recordings
were made in the pre-LP days), and undoubtedly pre-date Ustad Amir Khan's
RECORDING of "Nike Ghungariya" which was made during the LP era.
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: harsh@wam.umd.edu (R. P. Harshavardhan)
Subject: Sur , emotions etc.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:13:39 GMT

 Ms Donde writes that "sur" does not have emotion attached to it.
She also gave reference of Dr vasantrao Deshapande.

It is true that surs alone do not have any sentiment attached to them. you can't say that Komal rishabh conveys this or that. But a chain of specific surs does have a sentiment attached. this is the whole idea behind Aaroha and Avaroha. Not only the specificity of the order of notes but also finer things such as emphasised notes (vadi samvadi), the microtones do make differences in the sentiments conveyed. We often find two ragas with almost identical structures in terms of surs conveying diffrent emotions


. e.g. Marawa and Sohani.

Also lyrics are not necessary to convey bhava. If it were so, no artiste would sing tarana !

Harsh
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: adonde@indian.it.uswc.uswest.com (Aruna Donde)
Subject: Re: Raga identification
Organization: US WEST Communications
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:49:21 GMT

Minor correction.  The singer for marathi song 'malavoon taak deep is not Asha Bhosle, it is Lata Mangeshkar.   If the lyrics are to be 
believed, they evoke beauty, passion and peace and not all other
emotions you mentioned.  I also have a recording of Mehdi Hasan's
'Ab to bichude' and he mentions in the beginning that the
audience should hear dispair and starkness in this melody.  He
also mentions that this rag is rare, almost unheard of in
Hindusthani classical music.

This brings a question to my mind.  Dr. Vasantrao Deshpande used
to say that the 'sur's' do not have emotions.  You attach
emotions to the sur because of the situation, be it the lyrics,
in case of the musicals (songs based on classical rag's abound in
Maharashtra), the characters that sing that particular melody and
other environmental factors, including your own state of mind.

Any comments ?

Aruna Donde
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: divaka@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Re: Raga identification
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:02:21 GMT

In article <Bz5sqC.75H@acsu.buffalo.edu>, madhv-s@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sriganesh Madhvanath) writes:
|> Anyone out there know what raag the ghazal "Abke ham bichhde" by Mehdi Hassan
|> is set to ? It is hauntingly beautiful, and on the surface looks like 
|> Carnatic Bhoopaalam with R2 instead of R1:
|> 
|> 	S R2 G3 P D1 S
|> 	S D1 P G3 R2 S
|> 
|> I would like the names of both the Hindustani raag as well as 
|> the Carnatic equivalent.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Sriganesh
|> 
|> -- 
|> % "SRI_G" Sriganesh M,  Grad student, Dept of CS, SUNY at Buffalo
|> %		        email: madhv-s@cs.buffalo.edu
I believe the song is based on the raga Nat Bhairav, which uses a 
shuddh Rishabha and komal gandhar. More knowledgeable netters,
please supply info about Nat Bhairav.
            Btw, there is a Marathi song that goes "Mala .....Deep...." sung
by Lata Mangeshkar which resembles this ghazal quite a bit. Those are
the only two words from the song that I know!
                                                         ajay 
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: gangolli@frobenius.math.washington.edu (Ramesh Gangolli)
Subject: Re: Music books
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:59:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.014055.5748@cs.yale.edu> kroy@twolf.ee.washington.edu writes:
>
>>>3. Bhatkhande's contribution to music: Sobhana Nayar
>
>If anybody knows any other details about this book, please let me know. 
>I was wondering if it is a English translation of the original Bhatkhande's 
>volumes or how exactly does it correlate to the original version.

I have a copy of this book. It is an account of Bhatkhande's work, the work
of collection and systematization that he did so well, and which he reported in
detail (respectively) in the 6 volume Kramik Pustak Malika (collection),
and the 4 volume work Hindustani Sangeet Paddhati (systematization).
Nayyar's book is very definitely not a translation. I think it is good book
so far as it goes; I gives a strightforward account of what Bhatkhande did
but does not attempt a critical analysis, nor does it present the many
differing points of view held by other musicians concerning the validity of
Batkhande's opinions. 

Personally, I am a great admirer of what Bhatkhande did, without accepting
everything that he said 100%. I have read all of his writing critically,
and I believe that he was the first writer of recent times in whose writing
one can detect a truly inquiring approach which refuses to accept dogma,
and which debunks all kinds of myths and bogus practices which plague all
our institutions. A translation of his work was indeed contemplated by
Popular Prakashan, a Bombay publishing company run by my childhood friend,
Ramdas Bhatkal. There is a really serious economic question, because of
the size of the Paddhati volumes, whether the project can break half-even.
Besides, there are other difficulties ; a really good translation should
include annotation to the many Sanskrit verses that are quoted there  from
a variety of works, Bhatkhande simply assumes in most places that the
reader knows Sanskrit! The rambling style of the treatise, cast as a
Platonic dialogue together with a tendency to be repetitive (reflecting no bad
stylistic judgement however; the original hand written mss. was simply
never edited, Bhatkhande being too busy carrying out his life's work), also
raise some doubts about the readability and appeal of the volumes.

Bhatkhande also left some mss. diaries of his travels around India; they
make very interesting reading of his quest for the musicological holy grail
of understanding the "system" of Hindustani vocal music. I believe that
they are soon to be published by Popular Prakashan. 

I wrote an article about Bhatkhande some years ago. May be it still
survives on my hard disk at home. I'll look for it and post it.


      



-- 
Ramesh Gangolli (gangolli@math.washington.edu)
Dept. of Mathematics GN-50
University of Washington
Seattle WA 98195.
From: srinivas@elements.rpal.rockwell.com (Sampath Srinivas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Raga identification
Followup-To: rec.music.indian.classical
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:41:58
Organization: Rockwell International Palo Alto Lab
Reply-To: srinivas@rpal.rockwell.com
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In-reply-to: Krishna Kunchithapadam's message of 12 Dec 92 20:36:25 GMT


In article <krisna.724192585@cs.wisc.edu> Krishna Kunchithapadam (krisna@cs.wisc.edu) writes:
                  [orginal discussion deleted]
> Further, to my naive ears, ``veBAs'' sounds like ``malaya
> mArutham'' ..

If you are referring to what is also known sometimes as "Bibhas" --
the Carnatic equivalent is "Revagupti". `Gopalakapahimam' is one kriti
in this ragam -- a standard KVN recording has this kriti.  I think
Subba Rao confirms this correspondence.

Further, in some earlier discussion it was suggested that "Kalavati"
is equivalent to "Valaji". "Malaya marutham" may be a better map. Any
opinions on this ?

Sam
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 Sampath Srinivas                                 srinivas@rpal.rockwell.com
 Rockwell International Science Center, Palo Alto, CA         (415) 325-7174


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Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Kannada script software for MSDOS-PC. Free
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

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From: naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik)
Subject: Re: Recommendations on *vocal* renditions of Raag Desh..
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:13:18 GMT


 About Des(h) vocal recordings: There's a whole bunch. I'd pick,

   Jasraj's Surdas composition, "chitvana roke", which he sings often.
   Faiyaz Khan's bandish
   Bade Ghulam Ali's thumri
   Salamat and Nazakat Ali's 
   Lakshmi Shankar's Bhajans and Thumris  
 
    (did anyone else attend Lakshmi Shankar's concert in NJ, Nov 21st? The 
     khyaal in madhuvanti and the several bhajans in hindi/kannada/marathi/
     gujarati/sanskrit were a rare treat!).

 In Bilaskhani todi : I'd pick,
  
   Pt. D.V. Paluskar's delightful cheez 'nike ghungharia"
   Pt. Jasraj's classic "shree kameshwari and jaa jaa re jaa"
     (Jasraj sang the same during his morning concert in Bangalore last year.
       I haven't heard anything better! His jaiwanti todi is also very good.)
   Pt. Bhimsen Joshi's from a '75 concert (non-commercial).

   There is also the Ravi Shankar and Ali Akbar sitar/sarod jugalbandhi. 
   (quite popular in Indian restaurants).
         
  Cheers,
---------------------------- 
  Jayant Naik
From: srinivas@elements.rpal.rockwell.com (Sampath Srinivas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Raga identification
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:09:54
Organization: Rockwell International Palo Alto Lab
	<SRINIVAS.92Dec15174158@xenon.elements.rpal.rockwell.com>
	<1992Dec16.182608.9019@microsoft.com>
Reply-To: srinivas@rpal.rockwell.com
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In-reply-to: umeshmo@microsoft.com's message of 16 Dec 92 18:26:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.182608.9019@microsoft.com> umeshmo@microsoft.com (Umesh Mokate) writes:

>>> Further, to my naive ears, ``veBAs'' sounds like ``malaya
>>> mArutham'' ..
>>
>>If you are referring to what is also known sometimes as "Bibhas" --
>>the Carnatic equivalent is "Revagupti". 
> 
> I think raag Bouli in Carnatic corresponds to Bibhas (Vibhas) of Hindustani.

I looked up Subba Rao's Raganidhi to see what Bibhas is equivalent to.
It has a lot to say but the brief condensation is that there are
multiple 'Bibhas' versions which should be considered separate ragas.
Without getting into details here are the maps he gives:

Hindustani Rag     That        Melakarta        Closest allied Carnatic Raga
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bibhas            Bhairav     Mayamalavagowla    Revagupti 
                                                 [same aroh/avroh]

Bibhas            Poorvi      Kamavardhini       Bhauli 
                                                 [Ma not used]

Bibhas            Marwa       Gamanashrama       Poorvi Kalyani
                                                 [Ma ga re sa used
                                                 instead of pa ga re sa]
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 Rockwell International Science Center, Palo Alto, CA         (415) 325-7174
From: madhv-s@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sriganesh Madhvanath)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Raga identification
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:30:11 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo / CEDAR Research Group

Anyone out there know what raag the ghazal "Abke ham bichhde" by Mehdi Hassan
is set to ? It is hauntingly beautiful, and on the surface looks like 
Carnatic Bhoopaalam with R2 instead of R1:

	S R2 G3 P D1 S
	S D1 P G3 R2 S

I would like the names of both the Hindustani raag as well as 
the Carnatic equivalent.

Thanks,
Sriganesh

-- 
% "SRI_G" Sriganesh M,  Grad student, Dept of CS, SUNY at Buffalo
%		        email: madhv-s@cs.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: umeshmo@microsoft.com (Umesh Mokate)
Subject: Re: Raga identification
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:26:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <SRINIVAS.92Dec15174158@xenon.elements.rpal.rockwell.com> srinivas@rpal.rockwell.com writes:
>
>In article <krisna.724192585@cs.wisc.edu> Krishna Kunchithapadam (krisna@cs.wisc.edu) writes:
>                  [orginal discussion deleted]
>> Further, to my naive ears, ``veBAs'' sounds like ``malaya
>> mArutham'' ..
>
>If you are referring to what is also known sometimes as "Bibhas" --
>the Carnatic equivalent is "Revagupti". `Gopalakapahimam' is one kriti
>in this ragam -- a standard KVN recording has this kriti.  I think
>Subba Rao confirms this correspondence.
>

I think raag Bouli in Carnatic corresponds to Bibhas (Vibhas) of Hindustani.


>Further, in some earlier discussion it was suggested that "Kalavati"
>is equivalent to "Valaji". "Malaya marutham" may be a better map. Any
>opinions on this ?
>
>Sam

Mayala Marutham is Kalavati ( Which is Valaji in carnatic) plus re. I am not
sure if it Janasammohini in Hindustani.

Umesh...
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: harsh@wam.umd.edu (R. P. Harshavardhan)
Subject: Abke Hum Bichhade
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:33:49 GMT


The Hindustani Raga, I think is Vibhavari.

May even be Vibhas, I don't know the exact difference between the two !

Harsh
From: srinivas@elements.rpal.rockwell.com (Sampath Srinivas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Raga identification
Followup-To: rec.music.indian.classical
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:40:26
Organization: Rockwell International Palo Alto Lab
Reply-To: srinivas@rpal.rockwell.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: xenon.rpal.rockwell.com
In-reply-to: Krishna Kunchithapadam's message of 12 Dec 92 20:36:25 GMT


In article <krisna.724192585@cs.wisc.edu> Krishna Kunchithapadam (krisna@cs.wisc.edu) writes:
                  [orginal discussion deleted]
> Further, to my naive ears, ``veBAs'' sounds like ``malaya
> mArutham'' ..

If you are referring to what is also known sometimes as "Bibhas" --
the Carnatic equivalent is "Revagupti". `Gopalakapahimam' is one kriti
in this ragam -- a standard KVN recording has this kriti.  I think
Subba Rao confirms this correspondence.

Further, in some earlier discussion it was suggested that "Kalavati"
is equivalent to "Valaji". "Malaya marutham" may be a better map. Any
opinions on this ?

Sam
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 Sampath Srinivas                                 srinivas@rpal.rockwell.com
 Rockwell International Science Center, Palo Alto, CA         (415) 325-7174


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Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: jlauret@sbchem.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: Re: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Reply-To: jlauret@sbchem.sunysb.edu ()
Organization: Chemistry Department, SUNY at Stony Brook, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:51:04 GMT


	I do think that this question have nothing to do in rec.music.INDIAN.CLASSICAL ...  :|
	
		jl
From: sharma@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Srivatsa M. Sharma )
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: LYRICS FOR JNANAMU SAGARADA
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:02:31 GMT
Originator: sharma@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu

Hi Netters,
	Could somebody please post or send me e-mail the lyrics for the above
 mentioned song with the meaning. Also, additional
 details like: composer, raaga, tala etc would
 be appreciated.
Thanks.
-Sharma.
-- 
	able was I ere I saw UPenn!!!

	this signature is merely a test 
		 better one will follow later.
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: harsh@wam.umd.edu (R. P. Harshavardhan)
Subject: Marathi Song similar to Abake Hum Bichhade
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:12:31 GMT


The Marathi song similar to "Abake Hum Bichhade" is

malawun taak deep chetavun ang ang 
Raajsa kiti disat labhala nivant sang

complete lyrics available on request

cheers

harsh