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From: pavelg@sr.hp.com (Pavel Gazur)
Subject: Army / travel
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:01:00 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]


	Well I am back from what used to be Csechoslovakia. 
	I went and visited my parents in Slovakia. I had lot
	of fear of going there because I did not serve in the
	army before I escaped 8 years ago. For those who have 
	the same problem my answer is that I would not worry.
	I traveled with a re-entry passport and had to get visa
	to csechoslovakia. On the border lines they did not give
	me any trouble exept on Hungarian/Slovakian border. The 
	officer told me that this is not a passport becouse the 
	passports are normally smaller. When I told him that if it
	is good for Csechoslovakian embassy in L.A. than it has 
	to be good for him too. Poor idiot just could not beleive
	that you can travel on this king of document. I think it
	would of been easier to travel on Csechoslovakian passport
	because you do not need visa anywhere and the embassy told 
	me that they can have it in 3 moth ready for me. 







--
					 	
						Paul 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: mblakele@jarthur.claremont.edu (Michael Blakeley)
Subject: Is anybody (Czech) out there?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:24:19 GMT


Hey now!
	I know I've seen some posts from Czechs in the U.S. and elsewhere,
but is this group being received in the Czech Republic, too? How about a
poll?
-- Mike
mblakele@jarthur.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: lexa@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (lexa matej)
Subject: Re: split
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:15:47 GMT
Keywords: flags, emblems

tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.151504.18996@husc3.harvard.edu> kordyle1@husc11.harvard.edu (Marek Kordylewski) writes:
>>What do the new Czech and Slovak National Emblems and Flags look like?


>I understand the Czechs will maintain the old red and white panels
>with the blue triangle.  Slovakia, I understand, went back to the
>"old" flag, but I'm not sure what that means.  Is it the red and
>white one (similar to the Polish one)?

The Slovak flag is formed by three horizontal stripes in red, white and blue
and a double cross-three mountains shield

>And what is meant by the emblems exactly?  The only emblem I recall
>is the one with the lion with two tails (holding a shield?  My
>memory is rusty). 

See New York Times, Jan.3, 1993 for the emblems, if you can.



-- 
Matej Lexa                              At present: lexa@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Irrigation Research Inst.               Dept. of Plant Biology
Bratislava, CZECHOSLOVAKIA              University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign**************** "There's only one kind of music. Good music." *****************
From: ucess2j@ucl.ac.uk (Dr Jaroslav Stark)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: flags
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:29:03 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

>> The Czech flag is the same as the old Czechoslovak flag

As I understand it, this is not strictly correct. Part of the agreement
on the split was that neither of the new republics would use the old
federal republic's anthem, flag or crest. The new Czech flag, although
superficially the same has a slightly different shape to the triangle
and uses a different shade of blue. I doubt that anyone will notice
the difference, so it seems a bit of a fiddle to me.

Whilst on this subject, does anyone know what the new anthems are?

Jaroslav Stark
(j.stark@ucl.ac.uk) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Bohemia/Boehmen/Cechy (was Re: Slowakische und tschechische Newsgroup?)
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:14:17 GMT

se_lipta@rcvie.co.at (Jaroslav Liptak) writes:
: Laut "Kronen-Zeitung" wird die Tschechische Republik als "Tschechien" bezeichnet.
  Hm. Typisch Krone.

  Just to add my little bit. It might be a paradox, but in a general view, there
is an equation
		Bohemia + Moravia = Bohemia;
however silly it may seem. Well, to prevent some flames - I myself am coming
from Moravia, but I have never had anything against calling the "Bohemian
Crown Countries" Bohemia, thus Boehmen.
  Tschechien is a newspeak for Tschechei, which has a very bitter taste, as
it was broadly used by the SdP (Sudetendeutsche Partei) and implicitely by
the DNSAP and later NSDAP; it can be compared to calling Germany "Deutschei",
alias Nemcoursko.
  In the last time, some ppl at home call their country "Cesko", which is also
not quite lucky in my eyes...
  Well, even if I am Moravian, I used to call and I will call my mother country
Cechy, thus Bohemia, Boehmen.
								Tom
From: ucess2j@ucl.ac.uk (Dr Jaroslav Stark)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: flags
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:02:43 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

>> The Czech flag is the same as the old Czechoslovak flag

As I understand it, this is not strictly correct. Part of the agreement
on the split was that neither of the new republics would use the old
federal republic's anthem, flag or crest. The new Czech flag, although
superficially the same has a slightly different shape to the triangle
and uses a different shade of blue. I doubt that anyone will notice
the difference, so it seems a bit of a fiddle to me.

Whilst on this subject, does anyone know what the new anthems are?

Jaroslav Stark
(j.stark@ucl.ac.uk)
From: hermann@loria.fr (Miki Hermann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: split
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:05:02 GMT
Organization: CRIN (CNRS) Nancy - INRIA Lorraine

In article <1993Jan6.162322.20827@ucl.ac.uk>, ucess2j@ucl.ac.uk (Dr Jaroslav Stark) writes:
|> 
|> Whilst on this subject, does anyone know what the new anthems are?


The original czechoslovak anthem had two parts:

 - the czech part: "Kde domov muj", an aria from the opera Fidlovacka, composed
	by Josef Kajetan Tyl, word by Frantisek Skroup

and

 - the slovak part: "Nad Tatrou sa blyska", a national `protest' song from 19th
	century, composed by Janko Matuska

The Czech republic addopted the czech part of the original anthem as the new
czech one. The Slovak republic addopted the slovak part, adding the it a second
stanza.

-- 
Miki HERMANN                              | Tel: (work) (33) 83 59 30 13
CRIN (CNRS) & INRIA-Lorraine              | Fax:        (33) 83 27 83 19
BP 239                                    | 
F-54506 VANDOEUVRE-les-NANCY Cedex FRANCE | E-mail: Miki.Hermann@loria.fr
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 14:04:51 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: split
 <C0DzqC.6Go@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <ESERTE.93Jan5182647@mark.cs.tu-berlin.de>

In article <ESERTE.93Jan5182647@mark.cs.tu-berlin.de>, eserte@cs.tu-berlin.de
(Slaven Rezic (Tomic)) says:
>
>>
>> The Slovak flag is formed by three horizontal stripes in red, white and blue
>> and a double cross-three mountains shield
>>
>
>The correct order of the stripes is white, blue and red, the same as
>in the Russian or Slovenian flag.
>
>> >And what is meant by the emblems exactly?  The only emblem I recall
>> >is the one with the lion with two tails (holding a shield?  My
>> >memory is rusty).
>>
>
>The emblem is a cross with two horizontal bars, I believe.
>
>--
>                                                                 ,      ,
>|---------------------------------------------------- Slaven Rezic (Tomic)
>|-----6-----5-------3-----3-----3-----5-----6-----8-- eserte@cs.tu-berlin.de
>|-------5-----5-------4-----4-----------5-----5------               _

Slaven, you are correct. The Official Slovak flag has the Cross emblem
on the flag which is moved off center towards the flagpole. It looks nice.

The Czech flag is the same as the old Czechoslovak flag

-Cro
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: Slowakische und tschechische Newsgroup?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:53:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <haverkam.111.726145982@uni-duesseldorf.de> haverkam@uni-duesseldorf.de (Wilhelm Haverkamp) writes:
>Gibt es ab Januar 1993 zwei soc.culture -Groups
>jeweils fuer die Tschechei und Slowakei?

I think this question has been asked before and it seems this group
(thankfully) will remain as one entity.


>Was ist die korrekte Bezeichnung der Tschechei
>und der Slowakei auf deutsch?


Keine Ahnung.  Und was ist die korrekte Bezeichnung der Tschechei
auf englisch?




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: Robert Cox <rcox@convex.UUCP>
Subject: Czech and Slovak genealogy 
Originator: rcox@mozart.convex.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:05:24 GMT
Reply-To: rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

For those interested in Czech and Slovak genealogy, the following 
society has been of some interest to me: 

	The Czechoslovak Genealogical Society
	P.O. Box 16225
	St. Paul, MN 55116

Membership offers you welcome packet, society newsletter, workshops, 
sharing of information, research materials, research techniques, 
research library, genealogy handouts. 

The group is for people interested in researching Bohemian, Moravian, 
Silesian, Rusin, Slovakian, German, Ruthenian, and Jewish ancestors 
who lived in the areas which once were a part of Czechoslovakia. 

One year individual membership $10.00, one year family membership $15.00,
one year sponsorship $25.00.  

A good book on the subject of Czechoslovak Genealogy is "Czechoslovakia, 
A Handbook of Genealogical Research" by Daniel M. Schlyter.  

Duncan Gardiner is a great lecturer on the subject of Czech and Slovak 
genealogy.  I have listened to several of his taped lectures and found
them very well presented and informative. 

Another book of interest to those of Czech descent is Leo Baca's book 
of Czech passenger arrivals.  These include anyone who immigrated to 
the United States and listed Bohemia or Moravia as their place of 
origin, so even ethnic Germans and others from these areas are included.
Unfortunately, Slovaks, being "Hungarian" are not. 

					-- Robert Cox
From: masmm@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M McGettrick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Query on CZECH hotels in Prague
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:16:48 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK



I'm interested in travelling to Prague for about 5 days in the off-season
(say early March), and would like to find any info on cheap CZECH hotels
(i.e. not Western chains etc.) or guest houses. Could anyone give me an idea
what the price would be (can you still get places for less than 10 pounds?
-I'm only looking for basic facilities). Or if anyone has a specific address
of a good local hotel I'd love to get it (how is the CKM hotel in Prague?)

Michael Mc Gettrick,
University of Bath.
England.

masmm@gdr.bath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: split
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:38:43 GMT
Keywords: flags, emblems

In article <43047@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>
>I think that emblem is used still by a Czech music recording company
>(whose name is on the tip of my tongue.  Help, what is it!)

Suprafon?

Nancy (Brodsky) Colucci
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Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:39:22 -0500 
From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Question about name

Hi-

I just found out about this newsgroup and was wondering if anyone
in/from Bohemia or thereabouts could answer a question for me. My
father's family is from Bohemia and our name is Pleshar. Is this name or
a variant of it at all common in Bohemia? I've never met anyone other
than my family with this name.
I assume it may have undergone some changes at Ellis Island upon
immigration to the US (or even previously). Perhaps the "sh" was a "z"
or "s" or the vowels were different (or missing)? Any information would
be wonderful.

Thank you very much,
Robert Pleshar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: eserte@cs.tu-berlin.de (Slaven Rezic (Tomic))
Subject: Re: split
Organization: Fachbereich 20 (Informatik) Technische Universitaet Berlin,
	Deutschland
	<C0DzqC.6Go@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:27:12 GMT

> 
> The Slovak flag is formed by three horizontal stripes in red, white and blue
> and a double cross-three mountains shield
> 

The correct order of the stripes is white, blue and red, the same as
in the Russian or Slovenian flag.

> >And what is meant by the emblems exactly?  The only emblem I recall
> >is the one with the lion with two tails (holding a shield?  My
> >memory is rusty). 
> 

The emblem is a cross with two horizontal bars, I believe.

-- 
                                                                 ,      ,
|---------------------------------------------------- Slaven Rezic (Tomic)
|-----6-----5-------3-----3-----3-----5-----6-----8-- eserte@cs.tu-berlin.de
|-------5-----5-------4-----4-----------5-----5------               _
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: mladejov@ced.utah.edu (Mike Mladejovsky)
Subject: Speaking Czech in Utah.
Reply-To: mladejov@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 01:48:05 GMT

Dobri den,

I still speak Czech, haltingly.  I was 4 years old when my parents and I left
Czechoslovakia in 1947.  I live in Salt Lake City, Utah.  I would like to find an opportunity to improve my ability to speak contemporary Czech.  

If there are any net-connected Czech speakers in Utah, or if you are planning to visit here, please reply and lets set up a meeting.  Maybe we go to dinner or go skiing.

Mike Mladejovsky
University of Utah,  Salt Lake City, Ut,  25 min from Alta, Snowbird, etc.
mladejovsky@ced.utah.edu
From: pboren@rand.org (Pat Boren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: Ancestral Infromation (Bartusek)
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:03:18 GMT
Organization: RAND

I post this only because there seem to be a lot of questions
relating to doing genealogy in Cz or Slovakia.  Some of you
will have seen this before -- please excuse me for posting
it again.

First of all, soc.roots is the newsgroup that discusses
genealogy.  It ties into one of those "other" nets' groups,
namely Roots-L, I think.

As for what I've written here--this is a how I proceeded 2 years ago.
Apparently we may now write places in Cz or Slovakia directly.
Anyway, here goes:

  For genealogical research of places that exist in present-day
  Czechoslovakia, I highly recommend using the services offered
  through the embassy in Washington, D.C.  They can conduct two types
  of search:  running account or individual vital statistics.

    The running account is based on information you provide about
    one ancestor.  They use it trace parents, grandparents, etc.

    The individual vital record is where you want only one specific
    item found:  e.g., birth record for your ancestor.

  The beauty of their searches (in my case, through local church
  records) is that you do not have to provide much information.
  Obviously, the more the better, but in my case I didn't have much.
  I provided them with the following:

    John Hirkala, born early 1830s perhaps in Kucin, near Bardejov,
	  Slovakia.

  I asked for a running account and received more information than
  I ever dreamed for:  birthdates of "Janos," his wife, and children,
  and his marriage date (including maiden name of wife).  And the same
  information for three generations back (i.e., he was listed as a kid
  to his parents along with brothers and sisters).  All told, I got
  4 generations of information.  Wonderful stuff!

  On the forms you receive from the embassy, you're asked how much
  money you'd be willing to spend.  I said $100, and this came in at
  $67.50.  The archives/records centers in Cz. conduct the research
  and then let you know the cost--the embassy releases the information
  to you after you pay.

  Write   Embassy of the Czech and Slovak Federal Republic
	  3900 Linnean Ave, NW
	  Washington, D.C.  20008
	  (202) 363-6315

  Two more points about the embassy search:  It's important to put
  a second town that your town is near.  For example, there are two
  Kucin's within 100 miles of each other.  Second, the record searches
  are accurate.  I had the wonderful opportunity to travel to Kucin
  last year.  I stopped in Presov, the small city that has the archive
  center that did my research.  I was able to study the handwritten
  church ledger for 10 crowns (35 cents).  Yes, it's much cheaper in
  person, but I was glad that I found no mistakes or omissions in what
  they had sent me.

Happy hunting --
-- 

	Patricia Boren
	pboren@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: flags
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:42:43 GMT

benes@itk.unit.no (Mila Benes) writes:
: 
: I have read that the new Czech anthem is the same as 1st part of the former CS anthem, while the new Slovak anthem is an enhanced 2nd part of the former CS anthem.  

  You have heard it right. The first part has always been the Czech anthem,
the second part the Slovak one, so dividing the anthem was really no
problem.

  Now again back to the flag. There was no agreement about not using the former
federal symbols between the Czech and Slovak National Councils. Only, after
the agreements have been signed, the Slovak National Council (sorry, at that
time already The National Council of the Slovak Republic) passed a statement
disagreeing with using the federal symbols, the Czech N.C. has not accepted
it.
  Klaus wanted to change the dimensions of the flag, but even this suggestion
did not pass, so that the current Czech flag is fully identical with the
former federal one. Meciar commented this with a statement, that it 'be a
consequence of differences and lags in the legislative systems', but he
accepted the fact and the Slovak Republic has officially no objections
against the usage of the former federal flag by the Czech Republic.

							Tom
Xref: sparky soc.culture.czecho-slovak:621 soc.culture.greek:12087 soc.culture.polish:4115
From: wsbusup2@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Boudewijn Wayers)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Who are Kuharic and Selimoski
Keywords: Puzzle
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:35:10 GMT
Reply-To: wsbusup2@urc.tue.nl
Followup-To: soc.culture.czecho-slovak

I am working on a puzzle for which I need to finish a sequence of
names. The names Kuharic and Selimoski are given and i need a third
name to finish the sequence. If you know the third name please let me
know via e-mail. If i get an answer I will post it to this group.

Thanks in advance, Kees van Tol.
From: bartusek@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Ancestral Infromation (Bartusek)
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:13:25 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I am looking for ancestral information within the U.S. and Europe(Czech)
concerning my surname (Bartusek).  My family history was temporarily lost
when my Grandfather died and my father was only three years old.

I am presently starting to work on my geneaolgy, but with all of my father's
know relatives deceased, I'm finding it hard to even locate death and birth
records within county courthouse archives.

If anyone would have know addresses and phone numbers of institutions and
agencies in the United States or the Czech Republic, for locating genealogy
information concerning my surmame, it would be very much appreciated.

Also, if anyone answering my post would know of a newgroup strickly for 
genealogy, an address would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Marc A. Bartusek
University of Northern Iowa
From: haverkam@uni-duesseldorf.de (Wilhelm Haverkamp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Slowakische und tschechische Newsgroup?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:13:02 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: haverkamp.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

Gibt es ab Januar 1993 zwei soc.culture -Groups
jeweils fuer die Tschechei und Slowakei?
Was ist die korrekte Bezeichnung der Tschechei
und der Slowakei auf deutsch?
From: kordyle1@husc11.harvard.edu (Marek Kordylewski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: split
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:21:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan4.152135.18997
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University


What is the proper name for the Czech Lands in English?

It seems that "Czech Lands" is the most logical when compared to the
original czech name.



-- 

					Marek Kordylewski
					Kordyle1@husc.Harvard.edu
					Kordyle1@husc.Bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak