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From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:12:10 GMT
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia

|> 	It's like that clown who was talking about WCE gaining
|> 	credibility by changing there jumper or something...

Then why did the bears change their jumper, smartarse?
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From: Mark@espionage.curtin.edu.au (Mark Ridge)
Subject: Re: The AFL
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:41:36 GMT

In article <10764380.21.718965976@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY) writes:
>From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
>Subject: The AFL
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:46:16 GMT
>There has recently been a lot of talk about getting rid of Victorian
>teams, and these opinions have come mostly from non-Victorians or Victorians
>who barrack for a successful Melbourne side.
>
>I would like to start by pointing out that the AFL was created from the 
>very successful Victorian Football League (VFL as it was called then).

You mean the one with all those clubs going broke.

>In other words, Victorian gave up their football league for the sake of
>having a national competition. I might also add that supporters were given
>absolutely no choice in any of this. 

The same as other states had no choice in the VFL clubs raping them of 
players.  No wonder they were going broke.

>Many clubs were in financial strife at the time (Fitzroy, Footscray, and 
>Richmond come to mind) and so really had no choice but to accept!!!
>What I'm trying to say is that Victorians gave up their football league for
>the sake of a national competition...something that none of the other states
>were prepared to do.

We have been doing it for years watching our best players head east to earn 
better money, you can't blame them. The trouble for the 'poorer' clubs (I 
couldn't think of a better term at the moment) in the VFL to win games and 
get the players the needed they had to pay big dollars.

>So before you slag off another Victorian...think about what this national
>competition has meant to them...and think before suggesting moving teams
>or merging them.

You should think about what it has mean't to people in the others as well. 
Sure merging clubs would be a sad thing for the clubs involved but the 
reality is that sometimes hard decisions can't be avoided.

The worst thing that could happen to these club would be the abolishment of 
the salary caps and the draft. If that happened they would be gone tomorrow.
The only teams existing then would be the Carltons & Hawthorns etc.

>Thank you
>
>Andrew

Mark
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From: ksp8305@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.S. Palmer)
Subject: Football seasons.  When are they?
Originator: ksp8305@ultb
Organization: Vulcan Science Academy, Shi Kahr, Vulcan
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:52:02 GMT

The header really says it all.  Two months ago I found a channel that
carries Australian football during the day (instead of it's normal time
of 2am).  Now the seasons over and I only got to see 1 game.  So... how
long do I have to wait?

Thanx


-- 
Karyn Palmer
KSP8305@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
KSP8305@ultb.isc.rit.edu
WARNING: Excessive study can cause severe dain bramage.
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From: gmathers@trl.oz.au (Geoff Mathers)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Reply-To: gmathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:21:12 GMT

>    --------------------various crap----------------

>>Methinks I hear violins & smell sour grapes................PKT
>>
>Yer,  I agree,  it must be hard for the guy to get a clear picture with his 
>head stuck up his arse !
>
>Do all Collingwood supporters show such intelligence ?
>
>MSR

I agree with the collingwood supporter, For sides to truely prove
thenselves as champions, they have to win 2 or 3 premierships with
five years.
No one is going to say Hawthorn havent been a champion side, or
even essendon in the mid eighties, or Carlton in the early eighties.
These sides have proven themselves.
Teams like collingwood, who win one flag out of the blue, dont
deserve to be put in the same class as hawthorn, And same goes for
West coast. If WC win 2 more flags in the next 5-6 years, then you
can say they are a great team, until then .. fuck up.




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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: Second WA Team!
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:31:00 GMT

In article <dos105-081092131830@150.203.49.43>, dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy) writes:
|
|>    This looks like a rational set-up to me, except for a couple of things:
|>     (1) The need for a second Adelaide team as the Crows become as strong
|> as the Eagles in the next few years. Port Adelaide are still trying to
|> apply, as far as I know, and they are by far the strongest team in the
|> SANFL;
|>     (2) What about Canberra? The city has many Aussie Rules expats, and the
|> success of the (Rugby League) Raiders indicates that the people will get
|> behind a team. Lack of sponsorship early may be a problem, so how about
|> instead of North Melbourne being taken over by Carlton they relocate here?
|>    There would then be two "conferences" as the AFL bigwigs seem to want,
|> albeit with nine teams each.
|> 
	Success is a relative term, and although the 'Raiders' have 
	had success 'on the field', and have made rugby (league) popular
	in Canberra, I think you overstate their effectiveness.  Their
	crowds seem to be around 5 to 8 thousand or so, which is pretty
	poor, considerably less than say the Swans when they last enjoyed
	some onfield success.......

	tom

|> --
|> Signed,            |   "It is not Life itself which is precious, but
|>   Pat Rourke       |    Quality of Life. However, Quality of Life is
|>                    |      not an Objective thing; it is up to the
|> (you may not have  |        individual to decide what te values."
|>    heard of me)    |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:31:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.052112.26069@trl.oz.au>, gmathers@trl.oz.au (Geoff Mathers) writes:
|> >    --------------------various crap----------------
|> 
|> >>Methinks I hear violins & smell sour grapes................PKT
|> >>
|> >Yer,  I agree,  it must be hard for the guy to get a clear picture with his 
|> >head stuck up his arse !
|> >
|> >Do all Collingwood supporters show such intelligence ?
|> >
|> >MSR
|> 
|> I agree with the collingwood supporter, For sides to truely prove
|> thenselves as champions, they have to win 2 or 3 premierships with
|> five years.
|> No one is going to say Hawthorn havent been a champion side, or
|> even essendon in the mid eighties, or Carlton in the early eighties.
|> These sides have proven themselves.
|> Teams like collingwood, who win one flag out of the blue, dont
|> deserve to be put in the same class as hawthorn, And same goes for
|> West coast. If WC win 2 more flags in the next 5-6 years, then you
|> can say they are a great team, until then .. fuck up.
|> 

	Of course we can all see it in 10 years time,
	(supporter of various failed vic side)
	"for WCE to be truly crowned champions they would
	have had to win every premiership BEFORE 1992 as well
	as every one since then"

	Just cop it. The weagles won. Over the past 3 years
	they have undoubtedly won more games than anybody else,
	and as many premierships.  Who gives a crap about people
	putting teams in classes anyway.  WCE won. You didn't.
	It's like that clown who was talking about WCE gaining
	credibility by changing there jumper or something...

	wake up


	tom

	(who hopes WCE don't win the next 2 flags, but is finding
	it hard to see reasons why not)
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:16:42 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
: 	The Bears haven't just won the premiership, idiot.
: 
: 	tom

	nor have they made themselves the subject of a
states hatred.

	incidently who one the 2nds last year?

					CE
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: eda961asft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Sydney
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:08:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.103132.12429@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) writes:
> Heard a good suggestion today about what to do with the Sydnay experiment.
> Almalgamate the Swans and the Magpies and have them play in Sydney under the
> name of the Sydney Magpies.
> 
> This would do a number of things:
> 
> Make sure of bigger crowds in their home games as the supporters of both clubs
> would give their wholehearted support to this new and exciting side.

Yeah right.

> 
> Make a more competitive team, have 18 or 19 Collingwood players fit into the
> top 20 from the combined clubs and they'd make the finals every year which
> would attract larger crowds due to the huge combined support of both clubs.
> 

Why not just stay Collingwood then?

> Having the Magpies playing at a much better home ground where the spectator
> facilities are far better than the current Victoria Park.

Is this in reference to the Swanettes?
Or is it in reference to REAL FOOTBALL.  What is wrong with the spectator
facilities at Vic Park?  Half the ground is seating, and there are plans to add
even more seats in the very near future.

> 
> Have all the games played by this combine on a sunday so channel 7 can really
> boost their ratings so to be able to afford some better commentators.

Hey! Now you've gone too far.  Bruce McAvaney is my idol.  There is no-one
better than Brucey.  Well, except for Rex Hunt of course, but I doubt that he
would have the same impact if we could see all the exagerations on the screen
as he commentates.


> 
> The club would start on an even financial keel as when you combine the
> finanaces of the two clubs it would work out about an even balance sheet.
> 
> Well how about it, any thoughts at all?!


Anthony.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: eda347asft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:04:55 GMT

The Sydney Swans must be saved and the national competition must be
saved at all costs before the impeding invasion  from Thugby Leauge.  If
the AFL can not get its house in order W.A. and S.A. may also subcumb to
this devil.  There is already plans for a R.L. team out of Perth and the
Eagles premiership will have only done good for football in general. 
Football is not just a Victorian game but an Australian game for all
Australians.  

In order to go AFL must have more interstate teams, 2 from Perth, 3
from  S.A. one in every other capital and only 8 in Victoria.  Teams
such as North, Fitzroy, and  Richmond must go for the good of football
in general.  This will hurt their supporters and they will probaly
never look at football the same again but this will only be a few
thousand at the most.  Besides it is their children who will be the
future and they will love Australia's truly national and number 1 sport.

A Collingwood fan.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:24:00 -0400 
From: Andrew M Whittam <aw39+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Stephen Kernahan


Could someone tell me who Stephen Kernahan is going to play for next
season.  All the information I have is a month old clipping from the
Adelaide Advertiser saying he is a chance to return to S.A..

Andrew Whittam
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: Hal <cgh1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: RULES??
X-Xxdate: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14: 29:24 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: cgh1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:24:15 GMT

In article <1avl1rINNnup@bigboote.WPI.EDU> John Grossi,
qasama@lagrange.WPI.EDU writes:
>I am an American and I am curious if someone who knows the rules of
Aussie Ball
>could post them.

If anyone mailed the rules to John Grossi, I'd like a copy of them too. 
I used to live in Melbourne (10 years ago) and have since forgotten most
of the rules.  I used to be an Essondon fan - John Maddon sp?  and his
brother were awesome.  I assume they've long been gone.  As well as the
rules, I would appreciate any info on Essondon in general and an address
to send fan mail.    Thanks a lot.

			                                                                  Hal
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From: broaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BROWN ADRIAN)
Subject: Sydney Swansong
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:20:56 GMT

	Front page of 'The Age' this morning, 12 Oct 92 was an article
announcing the vote of the other clubs on Wednesday on wether to give
the Swans the financial help they request. If they vote no, as expected,
the Sydney consortium headed by Mike Willisee will back out of there arrangement
with the Swans, and they shall make an exit from the AFL.
	It was mentioned that if this happens, the AFL are considering
backup plans, including Carlton playing it's away games at the SCG.

	Doesn't look good for the Swans ... or the 'National Competition'!


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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: The AFL
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:36:18 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

Mark@espionage.curtin.edu.au (Mark Ridge) writes:

>The worst thing that could happen to these club would be the abolishment of 
>the salary caps and the draft. If that happened they would be gone tomorrow.
>The only teams existing then would be the Carltons & Hawthorns etc.

The draft if a joke. All it does is drain away all the best talent from other 
states and give them bugger all back in return. And most of all IT DOESN'T WORK!
All that stuff about "Wow isn't the competetion even this year, it's all 'cause of the draft" is rubbish. It hasn't helped Sydney, Brisbane, North, Richmond,
Fitzroy etc has it? The draft and salary cap is a blatent restraint of trade
and I hope the players association go on strike for the Fosters Cup. The quicker
it goes the better. If clubs are stupid enough to put themselves massively into
debt by paying big salarys to players then it's their fault.

Rant over.

Changing the topic, apparently Carlton wants to play its away games at the SCG
if Sydney folds. But surely Carlton's away games are other teams *home* games!
How can a club tell other teams where to play their home games?!! Also if I was 
a Blues fan in Melbourne i'd just be a tad pissed off with this idea, but since
i'm not in Melbourne it just means more Carlton games live on the telly!
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From: taylor@uwa.oz.au (Matthew Taylor)
Subject: Re: Sydney
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:40:03 GMT

aec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) writes:

>Heard a good suggestion today about what to do with the Sydnay experiment.
>Almalgamate the Swans and the Magpies and have them play in Sydney under the
>name of the Sydney Magpies.

>This would do a number of things:

>Make sure of bigger crowds in their home games as the supporters of both clubs
>would give their wholehearted support to this new and exciting side.

>Make a more competitive team, have 18 or 19 Collingwood players fit into the
>top 20 from the combined clubs and they'd make the finals every year which
>would attract larger crowds due to the huge combined support of both clubs.

>Having the Magpies playing at a much better home ground where the spectator
>facilities are far better than the current Victoria Park.

>Have all the games played by this combine on a sunday so channel 7 can really
>boost their ratings so to be able to afford some better commentators.

>The club would start on an even financial keel as when you combine the
>finanaces of the two clubs it would work out about an even balance sheet.

>Well how about it, any thoughts at all?!

Great idea!, but why stop there?
We could merge Brisbane with Hawthorn (Similar strip in terms of colours),
Fitzroy, Footscray, Richmond and move them to Hobart,
Send North wayyyy! north to Darwin,
Carlton to Canberra,
The Siants to Adelaide (Port Adelaide, also City of Churches),
Essendon to Alice Springs (Red and Black could use some yellow though!),
Melbourne could go to Fremantle and have Mal Brown coach them (HAH!),
and...	what's that no teams in Melbourne,
DAMN!!
Oh well we`ll just have to play the grand final somewhere else.
Maybe Hands Oval in Bunbury?

Just a few thoughts on a truly non-Melbourne league (need a name change to the
NMFL, though).

Matt Taylor,				Internet: taylor@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au
University of Western Australia,
Perth, Australia.

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From: mwr@koel.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Mark Rawling)
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:18:32 GMT


How about having the Swans play home games in Sydney (mainly) , Darwin,
Hobart and Canberra to give these other cities a go without any
commitment for license fees, relocation, etc. The response would help
determine future directions for the AFL, since no one else is going to
give up home games on a regular enough basis, not to all these different
cities anyway (cf Fitzroy -- Tasi).

--
mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH)
Subject: Re: Collingwood
Keywords: suck
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:40:40 GMT

rda409u@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (elvis) writes:
>GO BLUES GO BLUES GO BLUES GO BLUES GO BLUES GO BLUES

...and take the Magpies with you!

Mel

(Jusk kidding, eh?)


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From: Mark@espionage.curtin.edu.au (Mark Ridge)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:42:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.132030.3711@newscan.canada.sun.com> ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM  writes:
>From: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM 
>Subject: Re: Eagle parade
>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:20:30 GMT
>
>s1071828@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Matthew Long) writes:
>> >Just a couple of points - their psyche doesn't need to be changed, they're
>> >the best team in the league and also the premiers. I very much doubt that
>> >they themselves feel like a 'bunch of wankers' and they certainly wouldn't
>> >want to change the public perception of them over here in Perth (where it
>> >matters). Besides, the League Cup has TRADITIONALLY been won by victorian
>> >teams, so who gives a fuck if a few traditions are chucked out the window?
>> >(certainly not me anyway)
>> >Eagles - Premiers 1992,93,94...
>>    Fuck up wanker, and take your hand off your tossil. Where were all you
>>    Whining eagle supporters at the start of the year when you wrer near the
>>    bottom? If the Eagles win the next two in a row they will be a good team,
>>    until then, they are just a bunch of wankers who got the whole of W.A to
>>    recruit from for 4 - 5 years, and still would not have won the flag if it
>>    were not for Collingwood (my team) dopily losing and giving the Eagles the
>>    double chance.
>
>Methinks I hear violins & smell sour grapes................PKT
>
Yer,  I agree,  it must be hard for the guy to get a clear picture with his 
head stuck up his arse !

Do all Collingwood supporters show such intelligence ?

MSR
From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:45:04 GMT
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science

In article <1bjj5uINNr62@werple.apana.org.au>, speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose) writes:
|> Original Message From: iane@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Ian Ellis)
|> Original Subject: future of AFL
|>  
|>  
|> >It seems to me that the quickest, and most positive way in which this
|> >can be achieved is for some of the existing Melbourne based teams to be
|> >relocated. Given that the new teams have to be successfull frm day one,
|> >only those teams which can command large followings should be relocated.
|>  
|> Firstly let me say that this type of idea is not new. It has been
|> re-hashed by so many publications that it is becoming a bore. <Sorry, I
|> don't mean you :-) >  People should realise that the main reason for the
|> demise (or imminent thereof) of the Sydney Swans et al, is that they came
|> from a good supporter base to an artificial one.
|>  
	I don't really agree that this is the reason for the demise.
	Lacking the football infrastructure of the football states,
	once the inital player base and enthusiasm dried up Sydney
	was not in a good position to develop their team.  Their 
	supporter base is actually not that poor, and given reasonable
	success can always increase significantly.  Living in Sydney,
	if top standard (and important) matches are being played at
	the SCG many AFL supporters would be a lot more likely to 
	come than is often the case.  
		It strikes me as stupid the manner in which Aust. Football
	has been marketed in Sydney, on the back of a side that has been
	left to wallow in the many problems the transfer has caused.
		However given the lack of sensible decision making or
	thought from the powers of the AFL in Melbourne (or the Victorian
	public themselves?) I doubt much will be done to save either 
	the Swans or Football in Nth Eastern Australia, where more than
	half of Australia's population resides.
		Anyway, as long as Fitzroy (or whoever) survives, it seems
	like everybody in Melbourne will be happy, and given the importance
	of Victoria in Football's future, that seems to be it, a bastardized
	VFL, never developing from its tiny base.  

	tom

|> In order to have a proper (and long lasting) competition, I would think it
|> is better to nurture the leagues in that area and give them financial aid
|> to expand and improve their competition. Then (after quite a few years),
|> start the ball rolling on creating a state-based club. Take for example
|> Sydney. Why not improve the base support by increasing the local leagues
|> and then when support is right, create draft provisions to allow players
|> to move to Sydney. Perhaps allow monetary or other incentives, but above
|> all allow people to move there knowingly and willingly.
|>  

|>  
|> Cheers,
|> Mark.