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From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.election,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:03:35 GMT
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

|> Brent Irvine writes (think this is his):
|> 
|> >
|> >When a government sets up the rules for obtaining wealth, and someone plays
|> >by those rules and does well in obtaining wealth, we can safely say that
|> >that person EARNED the wealth (if laws were broken, you can then say what you
|> >implied - stealing, but only then).
|> 
This is the funniest thing I have read in many a week.  Are you saying that
if the government set up a rule where I pay no taxes but everyone else is
taxed 100% of everything they make over $25,000, then my increased wealth over
time can be said to be EARNED?  And if I evenually accumulated enough wealth
that I was the only person who could contribute to campaigns, thus able to
continue this obviously fair taxation system, then this is EARNED influence?

Are you saying that if the government decides slavery is legal for all
persons with red hair, that you will have EARNED the right to go and
enslave a person with red hair (assuming you don't have red hair)?  Or that
if you do have red hair, you should not fight becuase you have EARNED the
right to be a slave?

Close to home, when the government creates an economically empowered class,
and that group advances at the expense of all others, do we call time out
and say, well they EARNED it, and proceed to protect their god given right
not only to the accumulated wealth but to the system of empowerment?

You appear to be much more interested in abstract ideas than reality or
fairness.

-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU (C Nagappa - behind the scenes)
Subject: Trigger happy or gun crazy?
Reply-To: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:14:02 GMT

Last month a Haloween trick-or-treater was blown away for just stepping
into the wrong house. Now, just two days ago a jogger was sniped and killed
by a dear hunter after being mistook for a reindeer!

I think Americans are more trigger happy than gun crazy.

C Nagappa
(CNagappa@uh.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.election,talk.politics.misc
From: raffin@fhr.ma30.bull.com (Patrick Raffin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Censorship and Governmental control
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:22:41 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.

Another little known thing in France is that going to school is not at all
mandatory. You can learn at home or what you want... until you're 16.


--
Patrick RAFFIN, raffin@fhr.bull.com 
  __       Just a French tourist,
  \/       doesn't speak English, nor Unix
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.election,talk.politics.misc
From: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Pending Bills (was Re: To the Clinton supporters)
Reply-To: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:44:11 GMT

To look for ALL informations of the activities of the Senate and 
House, you should get Congressional Report.  It is published each day
and contain all information (transcript, voting results, bills, 
committee activities, et cetera) for anyone interested.
	I am sure your library could carry that.  If not, make them!  (GRIN)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:35:06 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: The Presidency

In article <1992Nov5.141216.25561@exu.ericsson.se>, ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se (Pat
Fargo 6266) says:
>
>I am still amazed by the presidential result. Our
>government is made up of the executive and judicial
>branch and congress. The primary role of the executive
>branch is foreign policy, and commander of the armed
>forces. The congress is the primary base for new laws
>and the economy, and finally the judicial branch interprets
>the laws and policy relative to the constitition. They all
>balance. The president proposes the budget, and the congress
>submits bills to spend it. The president has veto power, but
>can be overriden.
>
>Now for my issue. How can we elect a president from a small
>state, with no federal experience to be in charge of foreign
>policy and the defense of our country? The budget and economy

State size is irrelevent. Governors Reagan and Carter had no federal or
foreign policy experience, nor did FDR

>are the responsibility of the congress. Congress always spends
>more than they take in, therefore our deficit. What qualifications
>does this guy (who 4 out of 10 people voted for) have to run
>this country?  Back to Jimmy Carter days, buy your cars and homes

He was elected, in a democracy that is all the qualification you need
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From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: To the Bush (It's nice, believe me)
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:31:34 GMT
Organization: DSO, Stanford University

jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:


>           ...      It's also not clear that the USA will survive in the
>long run if Clinton and his Democratic congress spend us into eternal
>hell during the next four years.

   Now, now.  This is a time for reconciliation.  The election is over,
and Republicans should not be bitter that the entire Bush/Reagan agenda
has been repudiated by the American people for the ludricrous farce it
was, nor should they feel downcast that that agenda's leader has been
expelled from office in disgrace.  As for those of us who opposed Bush,
we should not be arrogant and exult over the spectacle of George Bush
having to slink back to Texas whimpering with his tail between his legs:
it would be ungenerous and ungracious of us to congratulate ourselves on
his having been consigned forever to the cesspool of history's failed
reactionary ideologues.  Instead, let us all join hands and look to the
future in a spirit of fellowship. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.election,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot
From: giovin@medr2.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo)
Subject: Re: To the Bush (It's nice, believe me)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:09:57 GMT

In article <Bx7JDL.6z@nic.umass.edu> csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:
>I wanted to let you know that I understand the way you feel.  I've felt
>that way for the last 12 years.

>No, the world is not coming to an end, and the USA will survive even if
>Clinton isn't a good president.

>Everytime the Republicans took the presidentcy I felt this way -- and
>while I WAS better off 12 years ago, and the republican years have hit
>me hard in the pocket book (my taxes went up after Reagan and kept
>going), hard on my psyche, and just hard in general, the point is I
>survived (though I questioned whether I would at times)...
>You will survive too.
   First I should say that if you possibly lived in Mass. during 
these years, then your pocketbook was probably just as hard hit 
by the insane insurance rates, rising fees and taxes in democratic
Mass. during those years.  Second, if your main concern is that your
taxes might go up again like they did after Reagan, then either
you make (or plan to make after school) less than $36k or else
you should have voted for the president.  If you are still in school
and a dependent of your parents then you can count on having a 
lower disposable income if your family makes >$36k.
   Really... there were very good reasons to vote for Clinton, but
it's not much of an argument to say that Clinton is the one who
will protect you from tax hikes.

Rocky Giovinazzo
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Succession (was Re: If clinton/gore die NOW, who succeeds?)
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:04:29 GMT
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Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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An interesting and less hypothetical question is who will be the next
Governor of Arkansas.  Apparently the state constitution is not at all
clear on that point.  There are those who believe the Lt. Governor takes
over for the rest (approx 2 years) of Clinton's term.  There are those
who believe a special election has to be called.  And there are those
who believe Clinton can appoint a successor.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: ok, I get it now.
Date: 6 Nov 1992 00:16:32 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov04.212430.11287@bnr.ca> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
>Took some time for you.  Your not republican by any chance are you?
>but somewhat more seriously,  the US is a great place for things to
>get invented and to some extent in some industries they also can be
>perfected.  Sadly the perfection thing is not what the US is mostly
>good at. 
>
	Yes indeed! Not to fret! Even though we Americans always do 
everything slightly wrong, we can take comfort in the fact that
there are people out there beyond our borders so far gone in hubris
that they're unable to recognized trenchant sarcasm when they see it.

>So relax, there's propaganda everywhere
> 
	Quelle surprise.

>--------------------------------------
>Maurice LaBiche   |   labiche@bnr.ca 


--
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|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
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From: c9037395@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Helen Lee)
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:56:00 GMT

prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:

>(David Scharfe) writes:
>>
>>I agree, Brian.  Clinton has incredible audacity to speak of "healing"
>>the nation while he plunders one group of people ("the rich") to 
>>influence the voting of another ("the poor").
>>
>>This bald-faced promotion of class conflict, combined with shrill 
>>rhetoric about "healing", is the epitome of hypocrisy.
>>
>Not quite! All nations in the world have agreed that taxation should
>be progressive, which is why we all pay a fraction of our income

[stuff deleted]

In Hong Kong, there is a 15% tax for everyone. (Actually, I don't know if
that supports or opposes Satya's opinion - or neither.)
I don't know who would make the best president, but I do know that Perot was
right in saying that the system itself is much to blame. Democracy is based
on division rather than unity, & that which was meant to motivate
us/the pollies to look deeper into issues are the very things that consume
the overwhelming amount of time & other resources in powerstruggles between
both parties & individuals.
Its presence here in Australia is obvious, & I will assume so in the US also.
However, democracy is still the best we can come up with at the moment.

Hooroo,
Helen.
--
My .sig by H. Lee. Brackets Miss, brackets. This .sig goes as follows and
begins now. All VAXes are thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle
and then thin again at the far end. That is my .sig, it is mine, and belongs
to me and I own it, and what it is too.            c9037395@cs.newcastle.edu.au
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From: jfr@RedBrick.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.election,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:09:20 GMT
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA

In article <BxFK39.1EF@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
>
>True enough.  We could discuss the faults of the Republicans all day, but 
>that doesn't absolve the the Democrats of their faults.  I should also
>point out that the kinds of nonsense the Republicans promote have for the
>most part been impossible to put into practice (ie. porn censorship, 
>banning abortion, etc.) while the intrusions of the Democrats are running
>rampant over our paychecks and everything else.
 
  What?  You don't think that a multi-trillion dollar deficit incurred
  by the last 12 years of Republican rule was "impossible to put into
  practice?"  I daresay we will all be paying for that "impossibility"
  for the next 50 years.  

  Frankly, neither party has done very well by us.  Once again, as I
  hoped in 1980 when Reagan came into office and then proceeded to make
  a mockery of his campaign promises, that a President will do at least
  SOME of what he has promised.  Reagan failed (cut government spending,
  balance the budget, reduce the size of the beauracracy) and Bush
  failed (no new taxes, reduce the size of the beauracracy).  I don't
  know that Clinton won't fail either, but I'm willing to give him a
  shot (like I did Reagan and Bush).  

  Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc
From: tmjones@eos.ncsu.edu (TJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,misc.invest,misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: **INTERESTING TRANSCRIPT ABOUT HONDA MOTOR COMPANY AND JAPANESE LCD CARTEL (PBS FRONTLINE)
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:19:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov13.171915.508
Reply-To: tmjones@eos.ncsu.edu (TJ)
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Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: tmjones@c00479-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <BxL4pJ.3Bs@acsu.buffalo.edu>, jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee) writes:
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>From: jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,misc.invest,misc.entrepreneurs
>Subject: Re: **INTERESTING TRANSCRIPT ABOUT HONDA MOTOR COMPANY AND JAPANESE LCD CARTEL (PBS FRONTLINE)
>Message-ID: <BxL4pJ.3Bs@acsu.buffalo.edu>
>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:05:43 EST
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>
>	But that doesn't mean we should relax and take a breather.
>With restrictions and regulations on the Japanese, we should 
>regain all the loses that the Japanese unfairly caused. This means
>restructuring our old companies, creating new competitive companies
>from the old ones, having government play a bigger role in
>domestic investing and foreign regulations, and definitely motivate
>our younger generation of people to work and work together.

Do you really think that this will happen without the japanese competition.
	
>	I don't beleive in Japanese bashing. I believe that the 
>Japanese were wrong with what they were doing. But, I also beleive
>that we were wrong for letting them take over certain American 
>markets. It's time we make things right. 
>
>	And I only hope every American out there feels the same
>way. Or we will surely face the evitable as told by FrontLine.


This country has far more resources (natural and intellectual with our
strong higher education system.) than the Japanese. And it is no longer true
that the workers work for peanuts compared to American workers.
I know it's a scarry thought.  But we should be thankful for the Japanese.
They've forced us to take another look at our companies.  Several 
industries have been lost, however the ones that did survive are a lot more 
efficient.  What should be done is an equivalent of MITI should be created
in the United States.  A department that will help small industries grow.
And instead of helping companies move out of the country to reduce labor cost.
We should help those who wish to automate their factories.

If companies would put more engineers with MBA's in management instead
of all buisness people, this country could start growing again.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: Do they have bigger dicks in USA?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.165909.4419@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood) writes:
>Yes we do.
> 
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jeffrey T. Hazelwood                    Universitt Heidelberg
>EMAIL: y41@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de       Heidelberg, Germany 
>            "God is dead." - Nietsche    "Nietsche is dead." - God
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
+-------------------------+----------------------------------+ ^  ^  ^
| Brent L. Irvine         |  "Love is blind ... and stupid." | {\{|}/} CLAN
| irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu |                      -M.P.       |  {{|}} IRVINE
+-------------------------+----------------------------------+  o/|\o OF DRUM
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From: sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:12:45 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <1992Nov5.053633.3273@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>Cynthia Sulaiman writes:
>
>"Instead of saying when things go wrong 'they aren't our guys, we
>didn't elect them', we now have to keep ourselves and our president on
>track."
>
>Typical anti-Republican claptrap.  Which party controlled both houses
>of Congress throughout the Bush presidency?  Which party has controlled
>the House of Representative continuously since 1955 and the Senate for
>all but six years since 1955?  Most Democrats blame the Republicans for
>EVERYTHING that goes wrong, when it's clear that both parties deserve
>blame.

  Before you go hog wild, remember that much of that time the Democratic
party has been a single party in name only and that many so-called Dems
were southern Democrats who had more in common with their Republican
colleagues than their Democratic ones much of the time. It's only been
with effective enforcement (and inactment) of the Voting Rights Act that
southern Democrats have been representative of the party as a whole.

>
>A question to ask?  Why is it that whenever Congress passes a bill such
>as a civil rights bill, it always excludes itself from the bill?

   Aside from some self-righteousness, it's to avoid the Executive branch,
which administers laws, from having leverage and enforcement powers over
the Congress. Separation of powers and all that junk.

-- 
Jeff Sicherman
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
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Subject: International Software Jobs
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From: raffin@fhr.ma30.bull.com (Patrick Raffin)
Subject: Re: Censorship and Governmental control
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:30:30 GMT

In France, no ID is mandatory; but life would be rather difficult without
 any ID: no driver's license, no bank account ...
You should in theory be able to give a proof of who you are if you have
 two or more witnesses.
And any police officer may ask for your id if s/he thinks there is an urgent
 need for that (in his/her opinion).

--
Patrick RAFFIN, raffin@fhr.bull.com 
  __       Just a French tourist,
  \/       doesn't speak English, nor Unix
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From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.election,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Summary: "Heal?"  yeah, sure
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:01:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: dptspd.BxAxtv.F2M
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX

In article <Bx9L5F.39I@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
>In article <Bx7KE9.wu@nic.umass.edu> csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:
>
>>How can we even talk about healing a nation, when we divide it by our 
>>words?
>
>When your words are "Your money or your life?" we are irrevocable at odds.
>If it's a choice between "healing" and robbery vs. division and justice,
>I'll chooce the division.  You are trying to use emotion to paper over
>the difference between justice and theft.  That doesn't cut it.

I agree, Brian.  Clinton has incredible audacity to speak of "healing"
the nation while he plunders one group of people ("the rich") to 
influence the voting of another ("the poor").

This bald-faced promotion of class conflict, combined with shrill 
rhetoric about "healing", is the epitome of hypocrisy.

>>It is not just those who we elected yesterday who will help make policy
>>and try to heal wonds, but it is us too.
>
>I think they are going to do exactly the opposite.  The democrats open every
>"wound" they can...they set the rich against the poor, and men against women,
>all the races against one another.  The all this, in order to avoid 
>consideringthe important division between the just and the unjust, which they
>deny at every turn.  That's one breach I refuse to "heal".