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From: saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:55:44 GMT
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naughty bits

grundy@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (jeffrey.p.grundvig) writes:

>In article <BxMJDv.H58@javelin.sim.es.com> dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) writes:
>>WHOLE ARTICLE INCLUDED FOR VARIOUS REASONS...
>>My comments are at the end...............
>>
>>                                         What is legal does not
>>> have anything to do with what is moral, and indeed is often
>>> opposed to what is moral.  Society dictates what is moral as
>>> it establishes certain norms.  In the music industry, it is 

>>> The same is becoming true in software.  I don't know the statistics,
>>> but in my little sampling, 95% (19/20) "own" pirated software
>>> material.  Is it wrong?  Perhaps to your unique values it is, 
>>> but do not spout off about what is moral, when there is no
>>> obligation under my state or any other that I must worship your
>>> god, or share in your beliefs.
>>> 
>>> I don't *need* software, yet I have have pirated software in my
>>> collection.  I even use it.  Is it worth buying?  Of course!  I

>There were a lot of people who went along with the nazis following
>a similar line of reasoning.  Just because other people do it does
>not make it moral!

>And you can add another to your count of non-piraters.

It's amazing how many of you don't get the point of this.  I assume
that it's because this is not your average comment on pirating, but
perhaps I was unclear.  Here it is in a nutshell:

My point is that just because something is illegal, or contradictory
to a particular religeon, or even opposed to your own morals, it is
not necessarily immoral.  Morals are a personal thing, and that is why
I bring in the statistic, to show that there are apparantly many 
people who are morally fine with stealing software in this way.  This
does not make them immoral.  The fight should be waged on the level
of showing people how bad it hurts (personal storied from developers
are the best example), not by assuming a moral superiority and 
SLAMMING the pirates.

Many people, for example, find it against their moral code to
engage in premarital sex.  However, people who admit to doing
this in alt.sex do not get slammed.  They are not immoral, but
different.  These people can very often be disuaded from these
activities when presented with meaningful insights, and examples
of the negative effects.

That is all I am suggesting.  Thus far the arguments on this
and other newsgroups relating to piracy have been irritating
and pointless.  I would be surprised if a *single* person 
changed his mind based upon these arguments.  However, REAL
stories from people who respect me have made me reaccess my
beliefs.

Just giving you fellows my point of view....

Scotty AJ
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From: torban@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Torban Bennett)
Subject: Re: Games and the C64
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:55:17 GMT


WARNING: This may be a duplicate!  Had a bit of a power failure during the
typing, so I don't know whether NewsMan got the article off or not.  Thought
I'd better do it again to be sure :)

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

[stuff, you know?!]

>The whole point, almost, to Wol3D is the GREAT 3D POV.

>Heck, I'd imagine they are working on many different scenerios using
>that graphics routine right now..

>I think a futuristic one woould be cool....with laser that beam out into
>the distance.  Ohh! What would be REALLY cool is IF you could 'throw'
>grenades and see them fly. And explode.

>OhH! And them we could network it...whheeeeee! :-)

Oh you mean like 'Hunt' on UNIX.
MAN WE ARE TALKING MAJOR, MAJOR BIG TIME!!!!! YESSSSSS!
(sorry, I've calmed down now)
That game IS THE legend!

but a networked Wolf3d would be very nice indeed, (or at least null modemed)

>-- 
>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

PS we just had a power-down (BIG electrical storm somewhere around, not
outside though ?!?!) you should have seen all us net lurkers scurrying
around the corridors.  "Hey man, where'd the net go, man?  Help!"

Torban Bennett - Net lurker at large   torban@murdoch.edu.au
Murdoch University,
Western Australia.
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon's Super was: FALCON SPEED ......
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:29:14 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Amalaye Oyake (oyakea@warren1a.its.rpi.edu) wrote:

: Audio in and out, midi, lan port, enhanced joystick and input selectors,
: dsp port etc. NOW TELL ME WHY WOULD I WANT A 1200 ?

The software. Even though Amiga doesn't have loads of software taking
advantage of the hardware to the fullest, the Atari Falcon probably will
have less. That's what I think.

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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Microsoft
Date: 09 Nov 92 18:24:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <al158305.721072582@academ01> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>
>>Yeah, but the sound card isn't SB-compatible!!! Wheeee!
>
>   Hmmm... there's another thing. I'm almost 100% sure that 
>said card will become a standard in very little time. Why?
>Because it's better than SB/SBPro? No, because it's from 
>microsoft.

Are you saying here that the SB-Pro is better than our Foghorn(this was
the internal code-name, much better,IMHO, than "Microsoft Sound System")
card? I hope not as the SB-Pro is a cheesy  8bit stereo while the Foghorn
card is 16bit 44Khz stereo. Oh, and it is Ad-Lib compatible, but our
marketing dweebs don't want it to get the "gamer" image so we don't
tell anybody. And I hope it does become that standard, because for about
$200.00 it totally whomps on the competition. BTW: We developed this
card with Compaq, so it's not a MS-only venture.

BTW, being SB-Compatible is no big deal. Considering the quality
of the SoundBlaster it's kinda like being Yugo-compatible (aighhh!
not another car analogy!)
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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:47:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.235511.69263@watson.ibm.com> arsouth@watson.ibm.com
(Andrew R. Southwick) writes:

>The issue is: The Emplant is not a perfect replacement for a Mac.  The Mac is
>more than software emulation.  It's programs running with NuBUS cards;
>being able to expand with an accelerated 24-bit graphics card; adding VRAM
>SIMMs to a quadra to get 24-bit color; built-in Mac sound working naturally
>with the rest of the Mac OS.

Indeed, but Emplant will be able to use Amiga 24-bit cards for the Mac side.
And Amiga sound certainly suffices. True, Emplant doesn't have NuBus, but it
has just about as much as an LC-type with potentially more computation power.
As of now, Emplant is far from perfect as the software supposedly has at
least several major bugs. Soon, hopefully, Emplant will prove to be a reliable
and cheaper alternative to the Macintosh.

>An Amiga with Emplant is not a Mac. It looks and acts a lot like one, but
>it is not the same thing.

You're right. Emplant is much cheaper.

Francis
From: lozinski@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Lozinski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Games and the C64...
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:03:46 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Yeah, I have mentioned Bruce Lee. That was an awesome game! I got the 64 -
emulator shareware program just so I could play that. I think that
was the coolest C64 game back then.

I hope developers are reading this group and getting a hint.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:56:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.080510.17047@rmece49.upr.clu.edu> raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez) writes:

[ ]
>
>   Not every little thing, not all Amiga users... you are including too
>much people in there.  As for deriding a lot of things, I think of it
>that I don't like a guy that for example, is showing off his PC with a
>cool demo, or a Mac user "multitasking" under System 7.x, and both
>respectively believing and telling everyone how GREAT their machine is.

It's not an issue of liking or disliking anyone. Some people have a need
to be braggards. Just let them be. Noone listens anyways.
>
>  Is the type of things the Amiga has done FOR YEARS, and we Ami users
>hate situations like that, specially when our machines are called
>"game machines."

Look, here's the real "truth". Noone of any substance considers the Amiga a
"games machines". There are always people who will insist on playing these
silly games. Ignore them. The ability to run complex animations is an asset
not a liability.
>
[ ]
>
>  NeXT must be nice...

So is the Amiga (and the Mac).

[ ]
>
>|> The Quadra has a better software base than the A3000, and that's the bottom 
>|> line.
>
>   In a lot of areas, yes.  Not in every important area though.

True, but too much attention is paid to the hardware end of things on the 
Amiga. The hardware's great. Not just fill in the software holes.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: djkordsm@flauta.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:05:26 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
From: bdraschk@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Raschke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Monitor for the 1200
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:07:58 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:


>I have been using a relatively cheap SVGA monitor for the past year with
>my A3000 and will be using it with an A4000 in a day or so.  I understand
>that some modes will be unusable, especially the 15kHz modes and most 
>likely the 24kHz 800x300/600i modes.  I hope that the DblNTSC and DblPAL
>modes work, but some have said that they are closer to 29kHz and may not
>work with the SVGA monitors.
In sys:storage/monitors you'll find VGAonly, which apparently shifts the
vertikal frequency of the DBL* modes higher, so that they work correctly
with dumb monitors. But you will run into another problem:
 Bootmenu and System Alerts still are in PAL/NTSC 15KHz and some IFF
viewers also (mostra, alook) and seemingly DPaint has serious problems, too.

>If it doesn't work, I'll be in the market
>for a multisync that does real soon.  I also have access to about a dozen
>different makes and models of monitors in the CS department that I will
>test with the A4000 and post the results on the net.  Not exactly Consumer
>Reports type testing, but enough to see how well they work, if at all.
Make it so!

Ciao,
	Arty
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From: robert@geoblue.gcn.uoknor.edu (Robert Lindsay)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:29:20 GMT
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

In article <1992Nov5.052858.19768@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>In article <1d9oe3INN1gr@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov4.223432.17388@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>>>May Dahlmer penetrate you, you testosterone filled sac.
>>>
>>>mike seifert, spewer of crap
>>
>>2) If you continue to be a pretentious ass, people are going to think
>>you're a freshman who just got his net access.
>>
>>Get it?  Got it?  Good.
>>
>>Now, spewer of crap, save us all the headaches and use a little taste.
>>After all, look at where the lack of taste put some of those other
>>mass-murderers you like to bring up?
>>
>>Greg, from Milwaukee, and not thrilled.
>>
>
>Actually, greg (from milwaukee), if you were keeping up on this flame fest,
>you would have noticed that this wonderful Dahmer (hey, I got it right) 
>flame is really paula's (but I really liked it)  I realize its not easy
>to keep up (I know about those wisconsin reading deficiencies).
>
>Oh no, the geeks think Im a freshman, I guess I should start saying real
>important stuff like (IBM sucks and AMIGA is folding in norway, or 
>MICROSOFT president Gates has been found in bed with Phyllis Schlaffly
>(did I spell that right?)
>
>mike seifert, spewer of crap, but not a homo and not from Wisconsin

Normally I don't get invovled in this level of stupidity, but I'll make a
exception for mike here, who is acting like a 7th grader who just discovered
his penis. Now far be it for me to say that in the flaming cesspool of
c.s.a.a that this may have finally hit a new low, but you are close to a record
here son, so maybe you should lay off the 'F' key until your past puberty OK?

God I knew engineers from purdue were bad but this really is embarassing. 

Let me try one more time to reach you OK? From your posts, the school your are
in, and the degree you are getting, you are obviously a money grubing SOB
type. Has it ever occured to you that someday you may need to get a job?
(I know, I know, you need to get a clue and a life first, but I disgress)
Has it occured to you that you are making a complete fool out of your in
front of hundreds, if not thousands of people, some of whom you may be 
interviewing to get a job from someday? That now none of those people would
touch you with a 10 foot pole? Think about it (once you develop thought).

Robert Lindsay
(I work here)
robert@geoblue.gcn.uoknor.edu
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:07:20 GMT

x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>	Untrue, I sold my Amiga and bought a clone but that doesn't mean
>I am no longer interested in what is going on in the Amiga world.  One
>day, whenI have more money, I intend to get an Amiga (Amiga 5000 by then).
>I still like Amigas, I do post tings against the Amiga when I hear some
>kid boasting that his Amiga 500 can run circles around an IBM.  I jyust
>can't resist the urge to inform the user that user.

Such statements need to be qualified a bit.  My 1986 Amiga can "run circles"
around a 1986 IBM-PC.  I would not even try to compare an A500 to a 90's
computer--that would be like comparing the A600 to a modern computer.

Nevertheless, my A500 is much nicer than most of the IBM's on campus.  The
IBM's use MS-DOS, standard sound, 16MHz 386sx's, VGA graphics, etc.  Our
engineering labs have better machines (real PC's, like Dell), but the general
users do not get exposure to these.

Anyway, I prefer the HP-9000 I am using now to either the A500 or the IBM.
I'll take an A4000 above the rest.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: thumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Mojica)
Subject: Re: MorphPlus Used On Quantum Leap
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:12:35 GMT

pk-asdg@cup.portal.com (Perry S Kivolowitz) writes:

>Chris says:

>>Might have posted that a week ago Perry!  I didn't see anything....(grin!)!

>We've known that a morph done with  MorphPlus was *expected* to be in
>Wednesday's Quantum Leap for quite a while. However, we received word
>that it had survived the editing process and made it into the final
>cut only late Tuesday.

>While I'm sorry I wasn't able to give the readership *advanced*
>warning, you'll agree that posting something of which we were not
>certain would be less desirable. 

>Do be on the watch for Babylon 5 airing in February which features
>the results of several Amiga products, in addition to MorphPlus.

Would you be so kind as to tell which network (NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, PBS, etc.)
Thanks,
Chris

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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: Re: SKIP'S POINTS ARE *SILLY*! ;)Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:26:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.180419.2593@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
|> Quoth das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):
|> 
|> ]> Hmm.  That is my PC-ness showing through.  To most people, Multimedia=CDROM.
|> ]> I do  not know of ANY CDROM multimedia software for the Amiga.
|> 
|> Skip mentioned a few.  Besides, your PC-ness IS showing through.  See my
|> previous about what is more correctly defined, in Que's Computer User
|> Dictionary (a peecee oriented book if ever I saw one) as:
|> 
|> Multimedia:  The presentation of information on a computer using graphics,
|>              sound, animation, and text.  See _animation_, _computer-assisted
|>              instruction (CAI)_, and _hypermedia_.
|> 
[stuff deleted]

  As a friend of mine once said:

   "Mac or PC people think that multimedia is anything new that I can
    plug in my computer since the 1990"

:-)


|> ]> Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
|> 
|> 
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Amusement over Falcon buffs
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:24:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.123850.1622@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>It amazing how the device of comparison for the falcon has changed from
>the 4000 to the 1200.

That seems only fair, since the Falcon and A1200 are both 32-bit console
machines competing in the same price range.

>  All I really have
>to say in this arguement is that the Falcon is made by atari and that
>is enough to scare most people away.

Saying that the Amiga is made by Commodore has the same effect, frankly.  We,
as Amigans, should be the first to advocate a machine on its merits, rather
than common perceptions about the manufacturers.

It seems to me that the Falcon is a worthy competitor at the low end.  I'd
probably rather have one than a cheap 386, or even a low-end Mac.  Of course,
I'd rather own an Amiga than any of them!  :-)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Games and the C64...
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:42:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.162021.16019@exu.ericsson.se>, exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
|>
|> I've noticed that many game designers of the "one man and his idea"
|> era have gone crazy (anyone who's ever programmed a commercial
|> quality game in its _entirety_ can probably relate to this).  I've
|> heard of such people giving up computers entirely and becoming
|> apple farmers, etc.
|> 
|> I'd be interested in hearing what Bill Williams is up to.

Yeah, the old "names" of game design. Today, with things like Wing Commander II
and the like, most projects are wayyy too big for one person to do all (or
even a significant part...) of the work. The credits on some of the recent
games look like movie credits! (No, I don't mean Cinemaware, that was inten-
tional... 8)  )

Let's hear it for Sid Meier, the last of the great "big-name" game designers!
                                  
(next-to-last? close-to-last?)----^

|> --
|> James Hague   
|> exuhag@exu.ericsson.se

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From: lozinski@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Lozinski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Games and the C64...
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:05:54 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Has anyone remembered Beach-Head and Beach-Head II? 

I would love to see those ported over to the Amiga, especially the second
one. 

Anyone else remember Commando II?

lozinski
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rittle@supra.comm.mot.com (Loren James Rittle)
Subject: Amiga clone
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:45:49 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <1992Nov12.074535.5129@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp
           (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> I wonder how Amiga users would feel if people were to start cloning
> the A4000.

Humm, is this a trick question?

Rejoice!  It would mean that, like the PC, the Amiga had made it.  Do
you really think that if IBM's legal dept. had been on the ball that
we would be stuck with 100 million braindamaged PCs today?

The real question is how would C= feel? :-)

Loren
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