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From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Northern Iowa no longer unbeaten
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:08:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccall.1992Nov9.100806
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Nov07.223140.22719@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfnag@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Norm Garrett) writes:
>FLASH!
>
>Eastern Illinois has just defeated previously unbeaten Northern Iowa in a
>Gateway Conference game.  The score was 21-15.  Eastern is now 4-6 and
>Northern Iowa 8-1.
>
>Eastern led at the half 14-0.  Northern Iowa scored to make the score 14-7
>and Eastern scored with less than 2 minutes left to put the game away.
>Northern Iowa scored with 30 seconds left to close the gap to 21-15 after
>a successful 2 point conversion.  A Northern Iowa onsides kick after the
>touchdown was recovered by Eastern, who then ran the clock out.
>
I saw the score on tv and couldn't believe it.  Okay, who woofed up
the Panthers to this loss?
--
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(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: kkc@nursing.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Ariz
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:53:49 GMT
Reply-To: kkc@nursing.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Arizona - College of Nursing


>	3. Shelly (Frosh) had the ball in his hand for a 30-40 yard gain and 
>	the ball mysteriously flow out of his hand and poped into the air, it 
>	turned into an interception.  BTW, Shelley looked really good 
>	catching the ball.  The boy can really fly!  Brunell threw the ball
>	perfectly into his arm.  It had a touch down written all over it.
>	But the Woof God interevened ...   
>
 Chung,
    The ball didn't mysteriously flow out of Shelly's hand. He was HIT hard
when he had the ball for a second. Credit this to Arizona's defense.

>
>	My God!  These are gifts from the Heaven to Arizona.  I don't know.
>I guess it just wasn't to be.  The Huskies was able to move the ball when 
>they needed to and out gain the WildCats all the way until the fourth 
>quarter.  But they beat themselves constantly with the turnovers.   
>
>That is why I am prettyb bummed out.  If the Huskies had played a flawless 
>game and still got beat, I wouldn`t have been as depressed as I am now.  I 
>would have acknowledge Arizona as unquestionably better than the Huskies.  
>But the Huskies just gave the game away...  Gosh, Darn it!
>
>- Chung Yang
A lost is a lost. Nobody will lose if they played FLAWLESSLY. 
Arizona tie Oregon State by missing a short field goal, lost to WSU by
a last minute field goal and missed a winning field goal against Miami. We 
should be the one to complain.
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From: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: How Billy Joe Hobert Spends Money
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:34:07 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov9.194047.7099@dg-rtp.dg.com>, willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com (Royce Willmschen) writes:
> In article <j7==TVA@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> 
> > 	Look, Eric Ramsey received money from people affilated with Auburn.
> > Hober got his loan from a guy in Idaho who is in no way affiliated with 
> > the University of Washington.  Do you seriously think that the Coaching 
> > Staff and the Team, who had no idea that this had taken place, penalized
> > for one persons doing.   
> > 
> > 	Did Hobert came out and accused the University of Washington like
> > Ramsey did to Auburn?  No!  What ever happens to Hobert is his own fault.  
> > In no way should the University be penalized.
> > 
> > 	BTW, Don James runs a clear program with harsh discipline.  He is 
> > the last person in the face of the earth who would allow any violation of
> > NCAA rules to occur.
> > 
> > - Chung Yang
> 
> Nobody noticed Billy Joe driving up to practice in his '92 Camaro with the
> semiautomatic hunting rifle in the gun rack?  None of his friends asked about
> his new $4,000 stereo?  Sounds like the Sgt. Schultz school of harsh 
> discipline to me!
> 

	His friends may have noticed, but the coaching staff certainly did
not.  Do you think that Don James would go hunting or partying with Billy
Joe?  

- Chung Yang

> -- 
> Royce Willmschen                    
> Data General Corp.			"Generic Quote"
> willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com
> 919-248-5910	
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Michigan, the leaders and the best
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:45:01 GMT

graf@felix.engin.umich.edu  writes:


>Reading all this Michigan-Purdue postings caused me to write.  If Michigan had been playing at home, I would bet that they would have won by at least 24 points.  With the exception of Florida State, Michigan won all it's home games for the past two years.  
>I think Alabama is a good team, but over all Michigan should still be number 3.

Gee, you gloss over that loss to Florida State fairly quickly. I know you
would like to not include it but you lost in your own back yard 51-31.

Why do you now think Michigan would have won by 'at least 24 points' over
Purdue if the game was at Michigan ????
Does that mean that if last years game was at Florida State they would
have won by 40 points over the hapless Michigan team ?

Justin Frederich


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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Udub??  What is a "udub"???
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:44:07 GMT

swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>
>Ok, we learned what a "t-sip" was a few months ago, what the heck does
>"udub" mean??  I know it is a some sort of Washington put-down, but
>where/how did it originate?
>
>Just curious.....
>
>-- 
>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 

U-Dub is not a put down, it's simply short for U-DoubleU.  Everyone around
here calls Washington "U-Dub".  You can buy shirts with that logo as well.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
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From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--GotW picks
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:37:57 GMT

	Alternate Game otW	1 Washington
				  vs
				17 Arizona     Dogs bite Cats

Hmm... Try #12 Arizona, and try a complete schelacking of UW by the Cat's
D and the punter. The Cats are going for a New Year's Day bid. The Pac-10
is definately the best conference by far this year. 3 or 4 teams could beat 
anybody. Looking forward to an Orange or Cotton Bowl win for the Cats.
--
toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma

Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
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From: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 14:32:27 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov09.141808.52808@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
> In article <X2A=70#@engin.umich.edu> chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> >
> >	It it not arrogance.  Its percentages.  Do you seriously think
> >that the team with the talent of the Huskies would play as poorly as they
> >did against Arizona two weeks in a role?  
> 
> Chung, let's give the Arizona team some credit.  They seriously "Dawged" your
> team, and they deserved the win.  It was to Washington's credit that they
> were able to prevent a couple of other scores as well (most notably the fumble
> deep in UW territory.)
> 

	Well, I give a lot of credits to Arizona's defense and Tomey's game
plan.  But when a team turn the ball over four times in a defensive battle, 
it is likely that the team will lose.  BTW, 3/4 turn overs came at the hand
of young players on the team (Kaufman and Shelley): 

	1. Kaufman dropped punt returns twice and lost the ball once.

	2. Kaufman lost the ball becaused his arm hit one of his lineman.

	3. Shelly (Frosh) had the ball in his hand for a 30-40 yard gain and 
	the ball mysteriously flow out of his hand and poped into the air, it 
	turned into an interception.  BTW, Shelley looked really good 
	catching the ball.  The boy can really fly!  Brunell threw the ball
	perfectly into his arm.  It had a touch down written all over it.
	But the Woof God interevened ...   

	4.  Bad exchange from the center to the quarterback, Brunell. 

	My God!  These are gifts from the Heaven to Arizona.  I don't know.
I guess it just wasn't to be.  The Huskies was able to move the ball when 
they needed to and out gain the WildCats all the way until the fourth 
quarter.  But they beat themselves constantly with the turnovers.   

That is why I am prettyb bummed out.  If the Huskies had played a flawless 
game and still got beat, I wouldn`t have been as depressed as I am now.  I 
would have acknowledge Arizona as unquestionably better than the Huskies.  
But the Huskies just gave the game away...  Gosh, Darn it!

- Chung Yang
 
> -- 
> David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
> VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
> uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
> davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hobert: The Pac-10 Recommends....
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:16:10 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov12.230927.25744@data-io.com> jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell) writes:
>The 3-person Pac-10 committee...has concluded and recommended the following:
>	-The U.W. should not have to forfeit any games Hobert played
>	 in because Hobert did not have a significant impact on the 
>	 outcome of the game.

Boy, isn't that the way a player wants to be remembered.  
I can picture Billy Joe now: "Great!  Um, wait a minute..."

:-)


-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Meeks = Corso = CORRECT!!!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:04:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: lgc.1992Nov9.170458.13564
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas

In article <1992Nov09.150233.35460@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
> Anyway, I decided to post MY top 15 this week....
>
>
> Meeks Top Fifteen...
>
> 1)  Miami		- cannot be denied.  Tough schedule, no losses..
> 2)  Alabama		- no losses, very impressive looking (weak schedule)
> 3)  FSU		- tough schedule, beat everyone but Miami...
> 4)  Michigan		- well, see Alabama, but they have 1 "non-win"
> 5)  Arizona		- Very tough schedule, only losses to WSU and Miami,
>			  beat Washington, Stanford, Cal, UCLA
> 6)  Washington		- Tough schedule, only loss to Arizona.. Beat Nebraska,
>			  USC, Cal, and Stanford.
> 7)  Nebraska		- weak schedule, but only loss to Washington, see 
>			  Alabama and Michigan
> 8)  Texas A&M		- weak schedule, but undefeated...
> 9)  Syracuse 		- average schedule, only loss to Ohio State 
> 10) Notre Dame		- average schedule, loss to Stanford, tied Michigan


Let's see, ND played Michigan, Stanford, and BC.  They also play PSU and
USC.  That's 5 solid teams out of 11.  How does this qualify as average?
Do teams with tough schedules play that many more good teams?  Even NDs
bunnies are at least hard-hitting teams (that have come on hard times).
I won't try to argue that it's a REALLY tough schedule, but is it really
that much worse than Miami's, Washington's, or FSU's?  I'm curious.


>-- 
>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"


-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 282-6699
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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From: chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Trouble at the UDub
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:00:39 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu


In article <25988@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.214700.7873@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
> > The Seattle Times is reporting that Husky QB Billy Joe Hobert received
> > a $50,000 loan from an Idaho businessman last spring.  Don James and    
> > athletic director Barbara Hedges apparently were informed of the loan 
> > only yesterday by the Times reporters.  The NCAA says they will not 
> > pursue this until receiving a report from the UW.  An NCAA spokesman says
> > the legality of the loan depends on the relationship to the player (BJ 
> > says he was his golfing buddy and the man apparently has no affiliation
> > to the university) and the "normality" of the payoff (there are no 
> > specified payoff in BJ's loan).  National-letter-of-intent contracts say
> > that no outside loans may be accepted.
> 
> He's screwed. The guy is a booster from what I heard and I would be worried
> if I were a Washington fan - tell me, what are the chances that the
> second string QB is the only player on the team who was offered and
> accepted $$ from this guy or another booster like him? I'm gonna
> guess that there are a few nervous players in that locker room right
> now....
> 


	Again.  The man who allegedlly gave Hobert the loan is not
a booster.  The man is an Idaho business man who did not attend UW.
These people who arranged for the loan in this alleged incident are in
no way affiliated with the University of Washington.

	The only way for the team to get in trouble is that if 
Don James arranged for the loan.  He would not do that even if you 
press a knife to his neck.  

	BTW, nice try spreading the rumour.  Washington will still beat
Arizona. 

- Good Day

- Chung Yang

> 
> 			gln
> 
> > 
> > GT
> 
> 
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From: wfp@Turing.ORG (William F. Pemberton)
Subject: Re: UVA: The reason to hate em' 
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:07:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.232013.13091@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>the clincher.. Explain to me this, UVA fans......
>
>The PA system at the stadium said the following (to the whole crowd):
>
>In 1992, North Carolina State University is proud to present their diplomas
>on CD's... because they can't read...
>
>Now, tell me if that isn't the most obnoxious thing to say on the PA??????
>

It was a JOKE!  You know what a joke is, right?  It was part of the Pep Band
show.

The Pep Band show used to be to only thing worth going to UVa football games
for.  Come to think of it, it may be headed that way again.

>I don't appreciate things being thrown at me or anyone else, I don't condone
>it, and I won't tolerate it!!
>
>Until UVA cleans up its act, I will always hate the school.

Yes, the throwing stuff has gotten real bad over the last 2 years.  Scott
Stadium isn't the only place it happens, but I do agree that it needs to
stop.

Bill
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From: C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Nov 1992 10:50:37 CST

what wimps those Irish are!  God knows they should get anything they
want.  I would love to see them play Miami but I know it will never
happen, Miami would KILL them.
From: yang@math.duke.edu (Joe Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UW-Arizona game II
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:36:07 GMT
Distribution: usa

Here is the second mail.

-------

To: yang@math.duke.edu
Subject: Re: The darkest Saturday
Status: R

Hello Joe,

The black Saturday is behind us, UW is ranked #6 now.  By the end of this
week, maybe Thursday, we will know the outcome from the investigation
of Hobert's loan incident.  Huskies need to have an OK signal from the
investigation report to go on and win two more games and go to the Rose
Bowl.  So the road to the Rose Bowl is very long now.

I think the coaching staff made some bad calls during the game.  We had our
chances, but did not execute.  Brunell was not sacked even once.  Huskies
ended up more than 200 yards passing.  The key was turnovers.  Kauffman 
fumbled three times, twice were taken away by the opponent.  Two fumbles
were during the punt return.  You have to give Wildcats' special team credit.
Brunell fumbled once and was taken away, he threw an interception, the pass
was caught, then a huge play by Arizona defense knocked the ball out of
Jason Shelley's hands.  Three turnovers were late in the game and led to
Arizona scores.  

Without turnovers, the Huskies were a better team than Wildcats.  Arizona
had only one turnover.  Their offense had some success in running and 
controlled the ball for long time.  They ran down the 25 seconds clock before
they snapped the ball so that Huskies offense had less time.  Their game
plan worked flawlessly.  But ours did not.  And turnovers killed us.

Talking about turnovers, they were uncharacteristic.  I have to suspect
the Hobert incident had something to do with them.  Three turnovers were
volunteered, the ball was simply dropped, not caused by Wildcats.  Only the
interception was forced turnover.  I guess during the game, some players
were nervous and upset.  The Huskies were physically ready in the game, but
the Hobert incident must have impact on them mentally in some way.  

Well, this is all behind us.  I will still root for the dawgs all the way.
If they learn something, they will be very good next year.  A Rose Bowl
victory this year is going to make Huskies the first team to win three
consecutive Rose Bowl victories in history.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:31:06 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: grant teaff

In article <news.rice.edu-111192173823@128.42.239.21>, news.rice.edu (mls) says:
>
>It seems to me that Grant Teaff is complaining a little too much about the
>officiating at the Baylor/Texas A&M game.  Bad officiating can be part of
>any football game, and for Grant Teaff to cause such a commotion is only
>embarrassing to Baylor.  Let it rest already!!!

I didn't see this game, but if the A&M-Houston game was any indication
of the quality of SWC officiating, I don't doubt that Teaff is pissed
off.  They were consistently screwing up; they weren't "favoring" one
team, they were just clueless.  On Houston's 73 yard td pass, the Houston
wr clearly stepped out of bounds.  The replay showed a ref not more than
5 yards away.


Jim Thomas
Penn State
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From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: By Thy Vomit Gently Heaving, Illinois
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:23:33 GMT


Illinois must win 8 games to be considered for the Citrus I believe. So
forget that. Don't be surprised if only 2 Little 10 teams go to bowl
games this year. I've never seen the conference so weak. Chief Illiniwek
must be pulling his hair out (or scalping himself). But But But

Illinois will kick Michigan's butt!!!!!!



			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!



Gary Moeller refused to shake the Northwestern coach's hand after the game 
last week. The Northwestern coach said thay must have tugged on Superman's
cape. Looks like another classy coach to follow in belligerent Bo's footsteps
for the Skunks.



Illinois will kick Michigan's butt!!!!!!


and then


Ohio State will kick Michigan's butt!!!!!!


			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
			     MUCK FICHIGAN!
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: What makes a team #1?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:52:27 GMT

dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:

>I'm getting sick of all these uninteresting views about
>who is supposedly the number one team in the country.
>Nobody has really addressed the issue of what makes a 
>team number one.  I hope there are plenty of intelligent
>responses to this article...                 ^^^^^^^^^^^

>The pollsters have demonstrated that they really haven't 
>figured out an objective way to determine who is number
>one, but maybe I can give my two-cents worth:

>	Clearly, winning has to be the ultimate criterion.

>With regards to this, we presently have three frontrunners 
>(in alphabetical order to avoid offending anyone):

>	Alabama 	(9 - 0)
>	Miami		(8 - 0)
>	Texas AM	(9 - 0)

>Many people would say that winning isn't everything, but 
>what else do we have?  "Oh, Florida State is so much 
>better than Miami ..." -- the bottom line is that Miami 
>beat Florida State, regardless of whether it was because
>of luck, Bowden's stupidity, or whatever.  

>Probably the next criterion is strength of schedule: beating
>tough teams is harder than beating easy teams.  This would
>be an easy, objective figure too -- just look at the 
>win-loss records of the teams' opponents.  Can somebody 
>please post the results of this ?!!  (I would venture to
>guess that Alabama and Miami would then be the frontrunners.
>The SEC is one of the hardest conferences and Miami has 
>played Arizona, Florida State, and Penn State.  Sorry
>A & M fans).

>Other criteria are suspect to politics and favoritism.  As 
>an example, Miami can be faulted for allowing 23 points to
>West Virginia in their last game: a #1 wouldn't allow that
>many points.  But anyone who saw the game knew that by the
>fourth quarter this game was over and second-, third-, and
>fourth- stringers were playing.  There are many other equally
>dubious examples.  

>I think these pollster people have to figure out a more
>appropriate of determing who is #1.  After all, winning a 
>national championship is about winning, not about which coast
>that team is from, how badly they beat everyone, and what
>bowl they played in, etc.  

>Dan
>danbrown@psych.stanford.edu
>	

Wow !  For a psych major from Stanford to make this much sense !!!
       What's the world coming to ?    ;-) 
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