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From: kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls vs. Knicks!
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:21:41 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <1992Dec28.141237.23251@rti.rti.org>, wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
|> In article <1992Dec27.211805.11740@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
|> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
|> >Well, the on Christmas day, the Bulls and the Knicks were on center stage, and
|> >I think it told the world a lot about the possible Eastern Conference
|> >Championship we might see in the spring.
|> >
|> >I was rooting for the Knicks the entire way and was exasperated at every turn.
|> >Patrick Ewing is an overrated player!!  How come it is that against the Bulls,
|> >the other Knicks play half decently...now if Patrick would only ever make half
|> >of his shots, things would work out, but no.  I remember a couple of games last
|> 
|> I think you're being a little too hard on Ewing.  He did disappear in the
|> second half, but he had a very good first half.  Patrick's presence down
|> low made it possible for Blackman, Starks and Rivers to get open jump shots
|> when the Bulls went to double team him.  He also had a lot to do (along with
|> Oakley and Mason) with Chicago's reluctance to take the ball to the hoop.
|> 

I don't think you can make a case for Ewing's first half performance.  What
did he score in the second quarter?  I think Patrick is way way over-rated.
In fact, I don't believe there is a Knick team.  Some fancy East Coast magic
with a little Pat Riley thrown in, and ... I mean, look at the line-up:

Patrick Ewing - the 7 ft disappearing center
Anthony Mason - the swaggering forward who can't do more than foul hard
Charles Oakley - Rebound and miss
Greg Anthony - another smartass less-than-steady ball-handler
John Starks - trash-talking flibbertigibbet
Charles Smith - I think he played better with the Clips
Doc Rivers - Too old

So you see some Riley hocus-pocus, but they aren't going to be contenders
because they've got nobody.

-Vach
From: slj1k@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:34:31 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Dec29.000059.25884@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> What do all you Utah Jazz fans, who claimed Charles Barkley couldn't hold
> Karl Malone's jockstrap, have to say now? 

	i say, did we *really* say that?  hmmm...
	i hope we meant it figuratively.  but i guess
	the playoffs and the finals will decide who will
	be holding whose jockstrap, eh?  thank god they're
	quite a few months away, now we can enjoy more of
	the stimulating rabble of final four prediction we
	waste our time discussing here.

	go jazz
	go knicks

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From: kayman@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman)
Subject: Re: NBA Salaries '92
Originator: kayman@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:30:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.183855.14988@unislc.uucp> gsd@unislc.uucp (Greg Dodd) writes:
>
>In the local press 12/20/92 I came across this AP article regarding
>NBA salaries. 
>
>FYI:     
>
>Top 10 NBA players for 1992.
>
>Ranking		Player			$(millions)
-------------stuff cut out----------------
>
>2.		Michael Jordan		4.0
>3.		John Williams		3.785
-------------stuff cut out----------------
>
>Regards 
>
>
>Greg
>

I am interested in which article you got this information.  If MJ makes more
than Hot Rod Williams why was that during the playoffs the announcers made
such a big deal about Williams making more than Jordan and not putting up
even close to Jordan's figures?!?!  I believe the artivle may be slightly
off.  I would be curious to find out the article's title and author.  Also,
I believe that SI publishes theses salaries yearly, maybe someone could check 
this out?  I be interested in knowing if the announcers were wrong -- I would
hate to be misled.

"In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they are not."
"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision
 revised?!?!"

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Robert Kayman	---	kayman@cs.stanford.edu
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...
Summary: Sir Charles
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:08:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.000059.25884@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

>In article <1992Dec28.045134.54375@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>> Well, I stated they were my favorite in the beginning and they are looking to
>> be even better than I thought...

>Well, it is still early in the season and anything can happen between now
>and the NBA Finals.  But then again for a team that has only been playing
>together for two months (without its all-star point guard) they certainly
>look like one of the teams to beat.  And their record speaks for itself.

>What do all you Utah Jazz fans, who claimed Charles Barkley couldn't hold
>Karl Malone's jockstrap, have to say now? 

Well, I say that the Suns are leading the Pacific and look really strong, 
and the Jazz are leading the Midwest and look pretty good too. Earlier this 
year when the Suns and Jazz played, the Jazz weren't up to snuff. I expect 
this rivalry to heat up later on in the year. 
	I still think Charles B. is a blowhard whose disgraceful behavior in 
Philly and the Olympics is a mark against him. On the other hand, I was 
standing behind Karl Malone at a Video rental store the other day, and told 
him he had a great game against the Celts the other day. He took my 
compliment graciously and was very nice. I still think Karl is a much nicer 
guy, and one hell of a good ballplayer.

>Joe Dakes
>AT&T Microelectronics




Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library Data Control, University of Utah.
==============================================================================
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From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Subject: Re: Who are the tallest point guards?
Organization: Micom Communications Corp., Simi Valley, Ca.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:41:49 GMT

David T. Meeks writes:

> Dallas:		Mike Iuzzolino???	????

well, if Iuzzolino played pg, he would certainly be the tallest.  the
lowly mavs pg is their only bona-fied nba starter ... derek harper.
he goes about 6'3".

james
From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: KERR with the MAGIC
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:08:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <29DEC199208033742@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) writes:
>Many of us up here in Cleveland think the Cavs gave away Steve Kerr to the 
>Magic, and I was just wondering if someone could fill me in on how he's 
>been doing

Steve Kerr's Orlando Magic per game stats (13 games):

11.9 min, 4.1 pts (.522 fg_pct), 2.5 asts, 1.4 rbs

Last night, against Milwaukee, Kerr did not play (Coach's decision).
It was the first time since he joined the Magic, that Kerr was not used.

Tom@Orlando
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Spurs, etc.
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:21:54 GMT

In article <OLIVER.92Dec29041841@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>> The main thing the Hornets are going to do with Green is pay him a lot
>> less than they were paying J.R.
>
>Wrong again.  Green's getting almost exqactly the same money as Reid.

That may be true for this season, but J.R. has several years to go on a
contract that was restructured so Charlotte could sign Mourning.  That
means bigger payments over the next few years.  Isn't Green in the last
or next-to-last year of his contract?

>Not only that, but Reid's worked his way into the starting lineup and
>averaging about 14 pts a game.  And Sidney is . . .?

Right, Charlotte didn't particularly want Green, they mainly wanted to get
rid of J.R.  He wasn't getting enough minutes to justify his salary.  The
Hornets don't need that much scoring from that position off the bench, and
Kenny Gattison has been a better rebounder than J.R.

You don't have to sell J.R. to me -- he's one of my UNC boys and I hope he
does great.  But he hadn't done anything much for the Hornets, so they just
wanted to dump his salary.  He was happy to be traded and they were happy
to get rid of him.  I hope the Spurs are happy with him too.
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From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Subject: Re: Best backcourt (was: Stats on Clippers and others)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:55:25 GMT

>markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) wrote:
>> 
>> Matthew HEASLY writes:
>> >claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>> >
>> >>Kelly Rust writes:
>> >>>A few observations as we've rounded the first turn.
>> >>			.
>> >>			.
>> >>			.
>> >>>BEST BACKCOURT?  I haven't seen them play, but the production
>> >>>from Mark Jackson and Ron Harper has been outstanding (36ppg,
>> >>>12rpg,14apg,4.5spg)...compared with, say, Jordan/Armstrong (45ppg,
>> >>>9rpg,10apg,2.5spg) I'd say it's a toss-up.  Maybe one of our
>> >>>resident Clipper mavens could offer an opinion...
>> >
>> >I don't know.... maybe New Jersey.... with Kenny Anderson and Drazen Petrovic 
>> >(39.3ppg, 8rpg, 11.7apg, 1.65spg)... well maybe statistically not as good as 
>> >LAC but better (I think) than Jordan.Armstrong... 
>> 
>> There are a lot of good statistical backcourts out there, but the 
>> question is, would you REALLY rather have any of those backcourts 
>> (Jackson/Harper, Anderson/Petrovic, etc..) over the Armstrong/Jordan 
>> one?  If so, justify your decision for not picking Jordan (oops, 
>> Armstrong/Jordan).
>> 

   Just to put in a word for the only pair of Eastern all-star guards,
Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars are putting up 40.8ppg, 4.9rpg, 12.8apg, 3.2spg.
Their contributions are even more emphasized by the fact that only 
New York scores less points per game than Detroit..

   You could count the # of teams that wouldn't be happy to trade backcourts
on one hand....


--
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Lakers are in Trouble
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:14:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Hakeem

In article <1992Dec29.132844.42@pasadena-dc.bofa.com>, centeno@pasadena-dc.bofa.com (R. CENTENO) writes:
> >Well, it may soon be time for Jerry West to act. The optimism
> 
> I'm thiking Vlade, Worthy, and Scott for Hakeem and draft pic(s).  Vlade 
>

Gosh, I bet Houston can't wait to make this deal. I mean, how often
do you get to pick Jerry West's pocket like this, anyway?

One absolutely correct strategic point that Larry Brown makes is
that you make trades to improve your team; otherwise, you don't
make them. (Admittedly, Larry could have executed on this better
with San Antonio.) So I'm the Houston GM. My team is 14-9, and 
you want me to trade you my franchise player *plus* a bunch of
draft picks for one possibly interesting player and two has-beens?
How does this improve my team, either now or in the next few
seasons? Why do people always think that their excess baggage
is worth my superstar? Not even Steve Patterson would make this
trade...

Paul
From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls vs. Knicks!
Date: 30 Dec 1992 10:33:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

>>Pat Riley messed things up too.  I don't know why he left Greg Anthony out
>>to get his butt messed up by the Bulls' trap.  How many straight times did
>>he turn the ball over for dunks?  Riley is supposed to know how to get out

	"greg anthony, john starks and anthony mason -- 3 cockiest guys
	in NBA, only been to the league for 2 yrs!" -- quote from jordan.

>>Charles Smith.  Give Starks less playing time!  That boy just can't resist
>>shooting.  Maybe play a tape of his teammate, Blackman to teach him about
>>shot selection.  

	haha, starks...i always hear the telecasters mentioning about
	how many hundreds of shots starks took before the game...ahh,
	just like it says, the boy needs some serious shooting lesson, man.

>  You know what I think?. Pat Riley is not coaching. He is managing
>fouls. Did you see how many knicks had 4 to 5 fouls and no one fouled
>out. Seems that all he wants his players (some of them are thugs on the
>court) to do is go and mug and foul hard on Jordan, Pippen and Grant.
>In the process they forget their offense. I think he is a dirty coach.
>Atleat this is the impression I got from this years playoffs and the game
>on Friday night. 
>I don't think Knicks come anywhere near the Bulls in terms of talent.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	u got it! ever since the way knicks played against the bulls
	during the eastern conference -- fouls, fouls, why not just
	fucking INjURE jordan and dominate the whole bulls team!?
	knicks think physical play is the only way out? ahh, no wonder
	chicago still has no respect for the new york knicks.

> Yes, seems that Jordam has become a streaky shooter like Reggie Miller.
> He is becoming very inconsistent. Yesterday against Indiana he shot very bad.

	jordan will always be jordan. he can shoot very good or very bad
	and still be the one and only, michael jordan. being consistent
	or inconsistent, ewing, malone, hakeem...no one can measure up
	with jordan. jordan is the man, no doubt.


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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Culture comes to USENET (was Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:19:40 GMT

In article <OLIVER.92Dec31020449@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>
>Well, Barkley didn't have the playoffs to deal with, so he got a few weeks
>of a break before the Olympics.  I don't think it's coincidence that the
>other Olympian who's in bad shape right now is Clyde Drexler.
>____________________________
>	Jim Oliver  

maybe you guys ARE on to something...let's see:

Michael Jordan.........sore
Scottie Pippen.........sore, numbers "down"
Clyde Drexler..........ow
Charles Barkley........no playoffs, doin' fine
David Robinson.........thumbed out of playoffs, not so sparkling
Patrick Ewing..........thumb II, now doing "vanishing" act
Karl Malone............hmmmmm, doin' fine
Chris Mullin...........ow
John Stockton..........good thing he broke that leg then, huh?
Magic Johnson..........HIV+, bad rumours, then RETIRED
Larry Bird.............played with sore back, then RETIRED
Christian Laettner.....just a kid, short college season, doin' fine

them olympics is Bad, man.  2 guys had to retire, others have injuries
and still more havent been playing with that million dollar smile.
and the ones that are doin' fine have excuses.... :-)

how many games did the Utah Jazz play last year?

just an opinion here:  the one who should complain about it for Chicago
is Phil Jackson.  just like yelling at the refs, the coach should step
up for the players and draw the heat.  or the owner.  it doesnt look
right coming from MJ & SP.

- nate
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From: mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu)
Subject: Golden State trade in works? (Was Re: Billy Owens update)
Keywords: Billy Owens, Warriors
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 08:35:50 GMT

Speaking of trades, there was a rumor going on a while ago
that the Celtics were interested in making a trade with the Warriors
for a forward(Gatling and Hill were mentioned).  How great is
the possibility that those two or even Billy Owens might end up
in Boston?

From a curious student of basketball,
Genghis
mittman1@athena.mit.edu

P.S. By the way, Don Nelson may be reaching for the Maalox more
this year, but you would too, considering the rocky season his
team has had so far!
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From: greg@duke.cs.unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Subject: Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics
Reply-To: greg@duke.cs.unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 03:45:53 GMT

In article <C03K75.CrB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) writes:
) I'd like to see you call Pippen and/or Jordan "whiners" to their faces.
) You have no concept how hard they work.  NONE.  No concept how grueling
) a season they already have to put in.  100+ games, practices every day,
) playing against the best basketball players in the world, day in and
) day out (some of whom apparently are out to injure you after watching
) the NY and Detroit games the last few years).

As opposed to the rest of the players in the NBA who don't have to do
this...

						--greg
From: dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:45:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Team Standings and Stats
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:30:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <1992Dec28.234615.25972@berlioz.nsc.com>, werstln@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael Werstlein) writes:
|> Remember what happened to Portland in the 90-91 season?
|> They started 19-1.  Enough said!

But there's a difference, Mike.  Phoenix isn't coached by Adelman.  'Nuff said!

The Suns are just awesome now.  I don't think Chicago would beat them now, at
Phoenix.  I also think the Suns will beat Chicago back in Chicago Stadium.
Definitely worthy opponents to the Lakers :)

|> Mike Werstlein

-Vach

|> Go Blazers...

Go Lakers!
From: kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: After 20 games
Keywords: The standings
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:10:27 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego



Someone said that they would post the standings after every 10 games.
I didn't see them so I thought I'd go and dig up nbastats (tm) and see
if I could assemble them:

Phoenix 	16-4
Utah 		14-6
Portland 	14-6
Chicago 	14-6
Seattle 	13-7
New_York	13-7
LA_Lakers	13-7
Houston		13-7
LA_Clippers	12-8
Orlando		11-9
New_Jersey	11-9
Indiana		11-9
Charlotte	11-9
Milwaukee	10-10
Detroit		10-10
Atlanta		10-10
San_Antonio	9-11
Golden_State	9-11
Cleveland	9-11
Boston		9-11
Washington	7-13
Denver		7-13
Sacramento	6-14
Miami		6-14
Philadelphia	5-15
Minnesota	5-15
Dallas		2-17

Oops.  Dallas has played just 19 games.  No wonder these stats weren't
posted.  No matter.  My contempt for Dallas remains even if the Lakers
lost to them.  After all, the Bulls lost to Philly :)

TA mode on

                   *     *     *
                   *  *  *     *  *
       *  *  *  *  *  *  *     *  *
    *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
    2  5  5  6  7  9 10 11 12 13 14 16
       \---v----/  \--v--/ \-v-/
    F      D          C      B    A  A+

TA mode off

-Vach

Lakers to the Pacific Championships!
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Jim Jackson
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:32:05 GMT

wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller) writes:
>J.J. however is holding true to his word
>that he will not play for the Mavs under any circumstances.

Okay, amateur G.M.s.  Get on the fax machine and make an offer
to the Mavericks.  For example:

Boston:  Next year's #1 plus Pinckney and Douglas.

Lakers:  Perkins straight up.

Seattle:  Benoit + the rights to Doug Christie... (just kidding)


--Gidi


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From: mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu)
Subject: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:45:52 GMT

Johnny Most, the legendary announcer and Voice of the 
Boston Celtics, suffered a heart attack this morning(Jan.3)
and was pronounced dead this afternoon.  The man
who saw the Celtics through more than three decades
is now gone.

A public service message from a curious student of basketball,
Genghis
mittman1@athena.mit.edu

------------------------------------------------------
BOSTON CELTICS
16 NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS
From: alexj@access.digex.com (Alex Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Armon Gilliam (was Re: 76ers need BIG-time help)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 18:40:39 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <5160@equinox.unr.edu> alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
>
>O.K., so what's up with Gilliam? Up until a couple of weeks ago, he was starting,
>and putting up pretty good numbers; then he dissappeared from the box scores for
>a game or two, and reappeared as a minor-minute player making almost ~no~
>contribution. Did he get hurt? Fall out of favor with Moe?
>

The Hornets, who needed big men even worse at the time, traded Gilliam to
get him off the team. He plays no defense, and he can't pass (in
Charlotte, his nickname was ``the Black Hole,'' because the ball went in
and never came back out). In Moe's offense, the ability to pass is paramount.

There are also reports that he's got a ``bad attitude,'' though I'm not
sure what people mean when they use that phrase. He's certainly not the
enthusiastic, rah-rah type some people want their players to be.

Alex Johnson
Washington, DC (formerly of Charlotte)
alexj@access.digex.com
  
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