HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Dry Towel in the DRYER?
Date: 8 Nov 1992 02:01:40 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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In <1992Nov6.161521.25357@engage.pko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:



>As another post pointed out this is exactly backwards, moist air is less dense
>and tends to rise, not sink.

Then why does fog hang out in valleys and thick heavy rain clouds are so
close to the earth.  I can't say exactly whether 20 degree dry air is
heavier than 20 degree wet air.  But the evaporation of water off of the
towel will cool the air down quite considerably, and I know that cool air is
definitely more dense than warm air.

Maybe what you're refering to is this:  Sunshine hits the earth and warms
the air up.  Warm air rises, and warm air can also carry a lot of moisture. 
So a lot of moisture is carried aloft by the warm air.  Yes?

-David Iverson


--
diverson@phys.ksu.edu
From: rhamilt@husc10.harvard.edu (Rowan Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: What is IT? (Was: Re: Oct. 28: The Rapture...)
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:21:13 GMT

Terry.Smith@f870.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Smith) writes:

> cELi> Yes, I'd like to know What Is The Rapture? myself.  I've heard my
>
<...stuff about some odd religion deleted>

>other head-space if I found myself heading off to hard Ionised Vacuum 
>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Can anyone explain to me how to ionize a vacuum?

-- 
Rowan T. Hamilton                         "To dig this is to groove on
hamilton@huhepl.harvard.edu                   hella shit."
hamilton@fnald.fnal.gov                   - casey@wackenhut.com
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: More odd net.acronyms (was Kryptonite bike locks)
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:54:31 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <BxGAJt.Eru@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> csa09@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Paul Singleton) writes:
>From article <4752@moscom.com>, by de@moscom.com (David Esan):
>
>> O Be-a-fine-girl-kiss-me-now UL (for astronomers)
>
>Surely that's
>
>  "O Be A Fine Girl Kiss Me Right Now Sweetie"
>
>but I can't for the life of me remember what it's a mnemonic for ...


you have it right, paul. it's taught in intro astro classes to help students
remember the order of stellar types (by temperature, hot to cool). the types
are : O B A F G K M (R N S) (the r n s are unusual types). i wouldn't consider
it a UL, as it's really used a lot. (unless there's some aspect to it that 
i'm missing, like a murder in which the victim scrawled it on a piece of 
paper with his blood to indicate that the murderer was an astronomer...)

rachel "why do stars shine? because they're *hot*" perkins

--
		-just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
					-Aldous Huxley
From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: The tool and the fool
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:33:56 GMT
Organization: Bishop Sandwich Band
NNTP-Posting-Host: positive

I would also like to point out that Jesus was one of
the original Aikido masters of booting people in the nuts,
as these biblical verses prove:

ACT 9:5  
   And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom 
   thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

ACT 26:14  
   And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, 
   and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?  It is 
   hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


I was told we wouldn't have to do bible study in this newsgroup.

Trelford.

--
   Inventor of the Lambada-Calculus.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Dry Towel in the DRYER?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:46:52 GMT

In article <1dhse4INNcaq@moe.ksu.ksu.edu>, diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson) writes...
>In <1992Nov6.161521.25357@engage.pko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
>>As another post pointed out this is exactly backwards, moist air is less dense
>>and tends to rise, not sink.

>Then why does fog hang out in valleys and thick heavy rain clouds are so
>close to the earth.  I can't say exactly whether 20 degree dry air is
>heavier than 20 degree wet air.  But the evaporation of water off of the
>towel will cool the air down quite considerably, and I know that cool air is
>definitely more dense than warm air.

Fog is microscopic drops of LIQUID water, and liquid water is denser than air.
I was talking about moist air, air mixed with gaseous water. Air has an average
molecular weight of 29, water vapor has a molecular weight of 18.  So air with
some water vapor will have a molecular weight somewhat under 29, depending on
the amount of water, which is less dense than dry air at 29.  See the gas laws
in your favorite chemistry book for the gory details.

You'll note that "fog" usually forms up high in the air as clouds, as the less
dense vapor rises before it condenses as microscopic droplets, then rain.

>Maybe what you're refering to is this:  Sunshine hits the earth and warms
>the air up.  Warm air rises, and warm air can also carry a lot of moisture. 
>So a lot of moisture is carried aloft by the warm air.  Yes?

No.  While it is true that warm air can carry more water vapor than cold, it
isn't relevant here.

-Mike
From: cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:15:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>   +Bill "Not a Terry and, after the above comment, no chance of becoming one
>   +either" Nelson

> Okay, that's it.  Terry, get the gun.

Bill, you can make your getaway during the confusion about WHICH Terry
is going to go get the gun.  Unless there is really only ONE Terry
(who likes to talk to himself in public).  

--Scott "the only Scott Cromar on the North American continent" Cromar
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Supersedes: <1992Nov6.053514.18284@sq.sq.com>
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 06:09:06 GMT

[Corrected version; apologies if you saw the now-cancelled first one already.]
> The United States gov't _could_not_, in theory, pass
> a law in outright defiance of the Bill of Rights or of the Constitution in
> general - that's what the Supreme Court is _for_, to knock such laws down.

And then there's the other point of view, which I think was expressed by
one of Robert Heinlein's characters... the Supreme Court is a randomizing
device which exists so as to settle, once and for all, issues where the
law can reasonably be interpreted in different ways.

I mean, it is within the power of *any* court to find a law unconstitutional.
The case would then get to the Supreme Court only if, after this happened,
the government put forward a reasonable case that this finding was wrong.
And, conversely, a Supreme Court case needn't hinge on constitutional grounds.

Any followups on this subthread probably need a new Subject line.
They are directed to alt.folklore.urban, but that might not be best.
-- 
Mark Brader		"'Settlor', (i) in relation to a testamentary trust,
Toronto			 means the individual referred to in paragraph (i)."
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com		-- Income Tax Act of Canada, 108(1)(h)

This article is in the public domain.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.tasteless
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: The End Of The World
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:29:21 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

It's "DCLXVI", thus a reference to the Roman Empire. The 
prophecies of the New Testament are 1900 years out of date,
so stop worrying about them.
From: ssouth@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Steve South)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:43:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Uncomfortable weather (Was: Daylight Savings Time--Why?)
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban

In alt.folklore.urban PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:

>rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:

>>Second, no, we don't keep to DST all the year round.  There was once a
>>period in the '60s when that happened for a couple of years, but it
>>does create real problems for the far North of the UK; the rabid part
>							    ^^^^^
>>of the press used it as yet another stick to beat on the government
>>with, and we went back to DST only in summer.


>	I kept hearing warnings that the Chunnel would allow
>rabies into the UK.  I guess you people already have it.

No, no, no! The rabies that everyone is worried about is the one that affects
warm-blooded mammals.

>J.P.Papai

Steve South.
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Toilet paper: over or under?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:18:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

jrs@zippy.unet.com (John Switzer Frame 3.0) writes:

  +I hate to insert logic into a.f.u, but if you've ever had a dog (or a child),
  +you'll understand why you NEVER put the toilet paper with the loose end 
  +going up over the roll. All it takes is to come home once and find your 
  +angry pooch has unrolled the toilet paper all over the house to convince
  +you to put the loose end under.

I've never had that problem.  Perhaps the children and dogs I've been 
associated were better disciplined or had better sense than those
you've known.  Further, how is this course of action more logical 
and something one would NEVER do if they don't have children or 
dogs?

Terry "heh heh" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu (vance kochenderfer)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:30:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.130440.22655@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>
>I'm fairly certain that this accusation is true.  
     AFU motto of the week?

>And I'm not a ``right-wing type''
     Maybe this one is better...

Vance "who knew?  Sununu!" Kochenderfer
Virginia Tech                    |  "Get me out of these ropes and into a
vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu           |   good belt of Scotch"    -Nick Danger
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Merry-go-round vs. Carousel
	<1992Nov04.023716.13398@ozrout.uucp>
	<1992Nov8.160938.18950@cs.tulane.edu>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 10:11:46 -0400

In <1992Nov8.160938.18950@cs.tulane.edu>, Derek Toten writes:
>>>
>	In New Orleans (where we have our own term for EVERYTHING) it's
>called The Flying Horses.  The term sprang from a very ornate carousel
>that still exists in City Park and was, in time, applied to ALL carousels
>and merry-go-rounds.

flying horses are older than platform carousels.  the horses, instead of
 standing on the platform or being supported by a post(jumping or not), hang
from the upper part by bars and/or chains.  when the ride is in motions, the 
horses swing outward and "fly".

there are two so-called flying horses in new england, both circa 1880's made
by dare.  they are believed to be the oldest surviving carousels in the u.s.a.,
and are therefore probably older than the one in city park, new orleans.

one is at watch hill, rhode island, and is believed to be the only one left
which operates as a true "flying horses" ride.  the other is at oak bluffs,
martha's vineyard, massachusetts.  while the one at oak bluffs still uses the
"flying horses" name, it was converted to a platform carousel many years ago,
making it probably the oldest platform carousel still running in the u.s.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: bwendt@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brian Wendt)
Subject: Re: Mailbox Detonation (was Re: Mailbox baseball: going going ... gone!)
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 06:48:05 GMT

perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke) writes:

>Apparently (ObDisclaimer), the youthful pranksters get a 2 liter soda
>bottle, cram it with as much aluminum foil as they can, then add *just the
>right amount* of circuit board etching fluid and seal the bottle which is
>then placed in the mailbox.  Then, as the Batman comics so eloquently put
>it, KAPLOWIE!!

  Here, we use a product called "The Works Drain Opener."  And you
don't need to cram the bottle full of aluminum foil, maybe about
1 square foot will do.

Brian
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:41:26 GMT

In article <Bx9MH8.9Bq@rahul.net> phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson) writes:
>>
>Hmpf.  Nelson Aldritch Rockefeller met his maker in the arms of a 
>26-year-old art dealer (heh) way back in 1979.  I believe that
>Spiro Theophilus Agnew, the first vice-president to resign to avoid
       ^^^^^^^^^^

Since almost any show is claimed to be better than StarTrek, is this an
offhand reference to Buck Rogers?  (Twiki and Dr. Theophilus.)

Didn't Felix Silla (who played Twiki) appear in StarTrek as some creature?

obsfUL: Janos Prohaske played creatures in both ST and the Outer Limits.
Among other things, he was the mogatu, which Shatner screwed up and called
a gomatu.

>
>Phil "Theophilus? Tiberius? Tirebiter? Agnewstics want to know!"
>Gustafson

cj "what about Agnew licensing policies?" l
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:45:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.184730.3578@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> khoover@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kent.d.hoover) writes:
>
>By the way, what does the middle initial 'T' in ATM stand for?
>
>Kent "I'm banking on you all for the answer" Hoover

I suppose someone will Automatically propose Terry for the middle name of
this Machine?

cj "What about TerryToon Circus?" l
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Date: 6 Nov 1992 00:01:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
  
  +Isn't Agnew still alive?

Nah, he bought the farm either last year or 1989.  Loved the obit
on his background and tax evasion no-contest plea.
  
  +Ted "heck, I'd name *my* kid Spiro if I couldn't name him Launch Faircloth"
  +    Frank

Fair enough.  Spiro Frank.  Something....uh....something about that....


Terry "My newsreader might screw up on the date" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Usenetball
From: Seth Malcolm Redmore <sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 06:39:51 -0500 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hey, yeah, cool...
Can I be on your team, Derek?

I'm stuck down here in Auckland, and I'm not going back until
we get another president in 8 years, so I might as well
do something interesting.

Yeah, like, er, limpet mining some sheep...

--Seth "Yeah, well, so I'm posting from CMU, it's 'cause the comp. system down
here sucks, but they do let me use telnet" Redmore
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: rcnixon@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (russell.nixon)
Subject: JHB in Smithsonian Magazine
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:55:08 GMT

Has anyone seen the latest Smithsonian Magazine?  It has an article about our
favorite subject featuring none other than JHB.  Even a full page photo of him.
I don't have the issue with me here, but I'll bring it to work tomorrow and 
do a little review.  It does cover all of the biggies though.  Also, my wife's
uncle is a retired proctologist and is a veritable gold mine of information
WRT the colon and anus.  Some of his stories about how of this stuff gets
removed are priceless. 

Russ (Whose VW does not run on C-Stoff und Z-Stoff and whose opinions are
      crackpot anyway.)
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Sorry to Inject Some FAQs into this Newsgrope
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Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 06:54:43 GMT

In article <H.ea.XP0gskTD1mE@harvee.billerica.ma.us> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:
>i think my cookies should be an official food, too.
>-- 
>-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
>-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine

well, I think we should add Halloween candy as an official food.
and Rudolpho the Lemur should be made one of the official animals.
And *I* should be made the official Furr of the group.


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (michael dale townsend)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:49:55 GMT


Well, around here they just chain the free standing machines to a pick
up truck and drag it off.  I guess they borrow a friends blowtorch later
to cut through the safe at their liesure.  	
Yes, I did read it in a newspaper somewhere.
Michael Townsend
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Subject: Re: More odd net.acronyms (was Kryptonite bike locks)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:50:01 GMT

cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) writes:

>The one that still gets me (after almost 3 years of reading this
>group) is ObUL.  Here are a few possibilities:

>Obvious UL
>Obligatory UL
>Own believed UL
>Observed UL
>Obviously bogus UL
>Obscene UL (at least sometimes)
>Obscure UL
>Obstetricians' UL (not very often)

Obnoxious UL.

-- 
************************************************************************
*            Sarah Skovronsky     starfish@u.washington.edu            *
*                    MiSTy #17978--and proud of it!                    *
**********fnord!********furrfu!********hi-keeba!********meep!***********
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From: dechc00@tohi.DMI.USherb.Ca (CHRISTIAN DECHAMPLAIN)
Subject: Re: Driving without shoes
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et
	d'Informatique
	<1992Nov12.042037.12616@lucid.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:19:05 GMT


When I drive for a long time I often get hypnotized and sleep for a few
seconds.  This is very dangerous and some people gave me this advice:

Remove your shoes and drive bare foot.  You will have more sensations on
the pedal and will never sleep again while driving.

I tried it and it worked, so I shared my experience with other drivers having
the same problem, until someone told me that it is illegal.

Now what should I do?  Take a chance for a stupid ticket or choose the
accident (which may involve other people because I'm a very dangerous
driver when I sleep).

Moral: don't sleep and drive.

--
Christian Dechamplain|
(819) 563-8951       |
dechc00@dmi.usherb.ca|
----------------------
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From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:59:05 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Nov8.103101.166@gems.vcu.edu>, hleaves@gems.vcu.edu writes:
> I was reading an article in an "anarchist" magazine (I can't remember which
> one) that was talking about ATM (teller machine) "jackpotting". 
> [...]

  Well, one bug which I found while consulting for a bank [different division]
was a glaring hole in the logic. These machines have all been scrapped for at
least 5 years now, and the bank built their own, so no other bank has any of
these machines, so the story is safe 8-)

  These machines had a horizontal rotating cylinder about 2 bills wide. There
is a cutout in the cylinder, making it hollow. Inside the cylinder are two
sets of photosensors (one over each stack of bills). The bill picker would
rotate the cylinder so the cutout was vertical, load bills into the cylinder
(making sure the beam was broken by bills stacking) and the rotate the cyl-
inder to position the opening so the customer could remove the bills. There
were microswitches to sense the position (top, forward, or rear - rear dumped
the contents of the cylinder into the bin with the deposits).

  Well, the bug was that if you managed to remove all but one of the bills
(or replace them with other paper) before the drum turned all the way out,
and grabbed the cylinder _hard_ so it couldn't rotate fully, the microswitch
wouldn't close and the machine wouldn't think the customer had access to the
money. It would register a machine fault, turn the cylinder to the back
position, dumping the paper into the deposit bin. It would then retry the
operation.

  This same bank used to use optical cards, rather than mag stripe cards.
In the original ATM software, you could exercise the machines if you knew
the commands to enter on the keypad. They caught on to that one pretty
quickly and changed the software so the functions wouldn't work if you had
a regular card, you needed an "administrator card". Well, the only differ-
ence between a regular card and the adminicard was an additional masked
spot, easily done with opaque tape. The test features didn't allow you to
play with the bill dispenser, but it did allow you to print barberpole on
the receipts, display alignment patterns on the CRT, and other fun stuff.
You could also place the ATM in/out of service.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jsersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
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From: cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen)
Subject: Stupid ATM tricks (was:Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:43:01 GMT

> > Then there's the brute force solution to ATM rip-offs as reported once around
> > here. 
> > 1) Steal a front end loader.
> > 2) Dig the ATM out of the wall.
> > 3) Load said ATM onto a stolen truck.
> > 4) Run away.

What? And leave the pickup with all them goodies just standing there?

> > 5) Have at the ATM with the cutting torch (or similar) at your leisure.

Oh, I get it! You run away to get a cutting torch, and then return to  the
truck to cut away at your leisure. 

I guess they were right when they said you could tell a criminal from 
their reduced amount of brain :-)

--Ralph Moonen
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