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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 19 Dec 92 05:15:10 GMT
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Distribution: usa
Organization: Sylvan Associates


   In article <1753@optigfx.optigfx.com> wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang) writes:
   > ...                So did the American fathers (in the 60's) changed
   >diapers or is this a new phenomenon? ;-)  ... 

Well, my Dad changed an occasional diaper - but he apparently didn't
do *any* of the toilet training with us. Imagine his shock when his
granddaughter requested that HE accompany her to the bathroom. He
looked at me and my mom hoping to be bailed out - I just reassure him
it was easy. After my dad and Kathy left the room, my mom cracked up
laughing, "He didn't toilet his own kids!"
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Choosing the sex of your baby
Date: 19 Dec 1992 03:06:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

6197110@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>I have an aunt who once told me this method of choosing the sex of your
>baby:

>If you want a girl, sleep with girl clothes under your pillow.
>If you want a boy, sleep with boy clothes under your pillow.

>:)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)

And if you want neither, sleep with your clothes on!	:-) :-) :-)

(sorry, I couldn't resist!)
-- 

                                                --  Michal
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Of course there's no reason!  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nnsge01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Dale Gerdemann)
Subject: Nuts
Keywords: Food Nuts
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:34:01 GMT

Is it okay for young children to eat nuts (assuming they're well
chopped up)? Our German doctors here have warned us against giving
nuts to our daughter until she is 3 yrs old. It has something to do
with nuts not being properly digested or to do with possible
allergies. I couldn't find anything against nuts in any of the books
though. Has anyone else heard such warnings against nuts?


Dale Gerdemann
Seminar fuer Natuerlich- Sprachliche Systeme
Universitaet Tuebingen

dg@arbuckle.sns.neuphilologie.uni-tuebingen.de
gerdemann@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
From: traite@fellini.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:49:11 GMT
Organization: Statistical & Data Analysis Center, Harvard University

PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS A FLAME BUT RATHER AS JUST ANOTHER OPINION!

In article <869.9212161848@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>
>A recent post contained the statememt: "My
>wife and I are pregnant..." There's no point
>in naming the poster, as this is something I
>read/hear quite often.
>
>Now, I *know* it is meant to convey the fact
>that the man  is involved, concerned, supportive,
>etc.
>
>It always annoyed me on principle, because it's
>inaccurate. But now that I've carried a pregnancy
>to term, it makes me crazy.
>
That doesn't mean it makes
everyone crazy.  Everyone has their own peeves.  Frankly 
I PREFERED the statement "We are Pregnant" . To me
it expressed what *we* as a couple went thru.  

>So here's a message to all non-pregnant partners of
>pregnant women: YOU ARE NOT PREGNANT. Your *partner*
>is pregnant. She is experiencing all kinds of emotions,
>sensations, aches and pains, flutters and kicks that you
>are not experiencing.
>
While the partner may not experience physical changes he/she
often experiences emotional/ empathetic changes.
I know my marriage went thru many changes while the pregnancy
was occurring.  

>I know that if Michael had used this terminology, not
>only would I not have considered it supportive - I would
>have considered it as trivializing the pregnancy and
>my experiences.
>
Again, This is what *YOU* felt.  That doesn't mean ALL
women feel that way.  Paul was very much a part of the
pregancy *WE* wanted it that way.

>So, isn't there another way to express your feeling of
>being part of the team?
>
>thanks, Dena

(I'm sorry for not paring the previous post, I just couldn't figure
out how to excerpt it.)  Bottom line, EVERYONE is different and has
 different things that tick them off.   For ME:  I *HATE*  being
refered to  as *MRS.* Traite, (Shirley Traite is *just* fine :))
but I don't tell others that it is not ok to refer to themselves
in this fashion.  With anything, I try to find out what
people's personal preferences are and then abide by them when 
dealing/refering to them.  Therefore Dena,  If you decide to have
another  baby and *I* have occasion to write you, I will be sure to
say *YOU* are pregnant. All I ask is for you to  abide by MY wishes
if you have occasion to write/ refer to me.

Again: THIS IS NOT A FLAME!!!

My Best. 

___
Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |I only speak for myself.
Statistical Programmer                   |
SDAC/Biostatistics Dept.                 |
Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |

<> IT IS A VIRTUE TO HAVE AN OPEN AND INQUISITIVE MIND. <>
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby food recipe, help!!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:58:33 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <TIGGER.92Dec12220442@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
|> So, how much, or if, you need a baby food grinder really depends on
|> your baby. I also knew one child who would gag, even at the age of
|> about 1, if anything chunky got into the back of her throat. She did
|> eventually outgrow it - believe me, it was frustrating for her mom. We
|> use the Happy Baby grinder - and it is convenient when we go out -- if
|> only we'd always remember to bring it. I think each child takes part
|> of mom's brain with him/her when they're born....

....Dad's, too, unless you're talking about when you go out to eat without 
him. The biological mechanism for this is a little harder to visualize, I 
admit. :-)

By the way, I hope you're properly grateful for Robin's late teething. 
Will's new upper teeth are making me miserable, even though he's not 
biting. I keep telling myself that women *do* manage to keep on breast-
feeding after the upper teeth come in, but the last couple of days have 
made me wonder how. Surely it will only get worse as the teeth get longer--
they're barely through the gum as it is.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Stocking stuffers
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:07:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL

In article <1992Dec12.224512.11808@leela.cs.orst.edu>, uttla@ (Laura Utt) writes:
> I just have a simple question about stocking stuffers. What kinds
> of things do you put in an 8 month old's stocking? I have 2 little
> key ring teethers, but what kinds of other things could go into it?
> 

o  Cute socks
o  Little (3"x3") board books
o  "Flutter balls" (clear acylic balls with futtering figure inside)
o  Small stuffed animals *
o  Small vehicles *
o  Shoelace "keepers"
o  Toddler fork and spoon
o  Clattery keychain *
o  Photos of family members in sturdy holders (I've seen a set of
   4 -double-sided plastic frames for wallet-size photos, on a ring)

*  Make sure of safety for infant (no small parts)
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Here a study, there a study....
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:35:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Dec16.115140.119671@marshall.wvnet.edu>
swk004@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:

>Hmmm, let's see now.  We've got people citing all kinds of different
>studies about circumcision.  We've got people citing studies about
>cervical/penile cancer.  We've got people citing studies about
>infant walkers.  Studies on ear infections.  Studies on ear tubes.
>Studies on the rate of c-sections. Here a study, there a study, 
>everywhere a study, study.  (Everybody join in now, "ol' misc.kids
>had a study, eieio.....)

>But more interesting, we've got people saying "no, that study is
>wrong, the researchers failed to take into account that..."

>Ya'll are making my point for me.  A study is only authoritative 
>until the next one comes out.  Seems to me we ought to be using a 
>whole lot more common sense about these things.

Here's a common sense, there's a common sense, 
Everywhere a common sense, common sense. :-)
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, | 
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End | 
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 | 
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | Post in haste, repent at leisure.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Subject: Re: Speech Change in 4yo
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:17:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.220137.8351@msdhsv.ingr.com> elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com (Ellen Howell) writes:
>I noticed something about my 4 year-old's speech that has
>me puzzled.  He has always spoken pretty well and his speech
>has been clear.  Over the past 2 weeks he has started to
>change his "r"'s to "uh"'s.  Bear with me while I try to 
>pronounce electronically.  For example, instead of "paper"
>being pronounced "pay - per", he will say "pay - puh",
>"Bear" goes to "Bay-uh", etc.
>When I correct him, he will say it correctly. 
>
I'm not sure it's a speech problem - it could just be an accent.
My daughter is 3.9 and she developed what we termed a
"Southern accent" overnight.  Her speech was similar to that of
your son's - long vowels, funny consonants.  Since we live in
Boston and no on in our household speaks with a Southern accent,
I don't know where the weird speech came from.  However, I just
assumed it was "a phase" rather than "a problem" (my usual
approach to parenting).  It seems to be fading now.

I don't think that a child who CAN pronounce things properly
(as shown in the past) would be considered to have a speech
impediment, however I'm certainly no expert.  I _think_ your
son is just playing with language.  After some time (6 months?)
you may want to take him to a speech therapist.  You could always
call your pediatrician for an informed opinion.

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: ff@mtung.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY? and more...
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:25:38 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>A recent post contained the statememt: "My
>wife and I are pregnant..." There's no point
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
>So here's a message to all non-pregnant partners of
>pregnant women: YOU ARE NOT PREGNANT. Your *partner*
>
>> [more deleted]
>>How do you men out there feel about this?  Are other women put off by this
>>also?

	Well, personally, the first time I heard a man say "we are pregnant",
I thought it was the cutest thing in the world.  My boyfriend does not use
that terminology but if he were to come up with it on his own accord, I
would LOVE it!!!  So, I guess everyone has his/her own preferences.  
Like I said, I enjoy it and don't see anything wrong with others enjoying it.
Believe me if my boyfriend said "we are pregnant" and I didn't like it, I
would tell him so.  (I'm sure many have learned not to cross a pregnant
woman!! :) )  But, I don't see why I would tell someone else's partner
that I didn't like it.  I don't mean to flame, I understand that everyone
is entitled to his/her own opinion.  I've expressed mine.

	On another note, I am happy to say that I am now 22 weeks pregnant
and loving every minute of it.  The baby moves around alot (especially at
bed time) and I've been lucky enough to get over my sick spells.  My tummy
has decided to GROW all of a sudden!!  I don't know about others out there,
but when I look at myself in the mirror, I keep feeling like I'm looking
at someone else's body.  Strange!  But, I'm sure I have ALOT more growing
to do.  I don't know if it is early for this but I actually had some
colostrum (sp?) leaking from my breasts while I was at work!!  (boy, how
embarassing).  Luckily I made a quick break to the ladies room. :)

	My boyfriend will be in town in 2 days and will see my tummy for
the very first time (boy is he in for a shock!).  I'm a bit nervous, but 
looking forward to seeing him and sharing this pregnancy with him.  He
shares as much as he can over the phone, but it is hard at times without
him.  Luckily he makes it here just in time for my ultrasound!! 

That's all for now.  

Frances
(first time mommy to a baby due 4-16-93)
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Speech Change in 4yo
Date: 19 Dec 92 05:29:41 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

I would back off - I'm sure that it wasn't your speech change, but the
constant corrections that made you self conscious. Especially since
you know he can say the words 'correctly'. I think that his speech
change is due to your location, and is probably normal. You can
continue to talk normally, and let him talk the way he wants. If you
have problems understanding certain words, explain to him that you
don't understand what he's saying.

I've noticed that Katherine seems to have some odd speech patterns,
and we've got a friend who's a specialist whom I'll ask about
preschool speech development when I see him next. I'll check on the
'r' syndrome, too. :-)  Watch for my posting...
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Naming boy after father....How much confusion does this cause?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 14:54:51 EST

In article <1992Dec9.195853.193@dsd.es.com> ksouth@dsd.es.com writes:
 
   > I wonder why it's so common to give the son the same name as the
   > father but not to give the daughter the same name as the mother.
   > I feel like that is saying the father's name is more important
   > than the mother's and needs to be passed on. Couple that  with
   > women giving up their surnames upon marriage to take on the name
   > of their husbands, and you get a sense of men perpetuating their
   > first and last names all over the place. Of course, many
   > daughters are named after grandmothers: I am one example.

Maybe it just matters more to men than to women.  Of course when you think
about it, the chances are greater that John Smith, Jr is going to remain
John Smith, Jr for the rest of his life, while on the other hand, Jane
Smith, Jr is more likely to become Jane Wilson somewhere down the line, so
some people may figure why bother.

Now as a matter of fact, there have been repeated female names in my
family.  My great-aunt was Big Clara and one of her daughters was Little
Clara.  I also met a woman this Summer whose name was Binney...as was her
mother's, her grandmother's, and her great-grandmother's...and is her
daughter's.  So it *is* done, but we just don't hear about it as often.

Oh yeah...and to the person who posted Miss Manners' rules on using Sr, Jr,
III, and so on.  There are many things I've disagreed with Miss Manner on
(mainly because they assume that the social customs of one particular group
are binding on all, and don't take into consideration that what might be
considered rude if you did it at a wedding of one ethnic group might be
perfectly acceptable at the wedding of another), and her rules about this
are among them.  Sure, she says that you only use Sr, Jr, and III until the
one at the top of the food chain dies, then everyone either moves up one or
if it's only a Sr and Jr, you drop the suffix (and then goes on to say how
only royalty keep the same number for their entire lives), but let's face
it, all that shifting of numbers can get just way too confusing.  I say it
makes more sense for John Smith, Jr to remain Jr even after Sr dies, and for
all the kids and grandkids to remain III, IV, V, VI, and so on.  It's easier
for everyone to keep track all around.  Geez, what a stupid rule!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: (Homebirth vs. Hospital birth)  NOW: LeBoyer Bath
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec18.011853.11794@intellistor.com>, grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun) writes...
>In <1992Dec9.190715.20357@adp.uucp> kevinc@adp.uucp (Kevin Cherek) writes:
> 
>One brief anecdote:  We had discussed a LeBoyer bath with our doctor
>beforehand.  He told us to mention it to the nurses during delivery
>and they'd make it happen.  Of course, I forgot all about it....but the
>doc didn't.  He'd mentioned it to the nurses beforehand, and sure
>enough, they made it happen.

What is a LeBoyer bath?

- Peggy -
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Creativity at 7:30 a.m.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:40:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, prmader@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHELLE MADER) says:

>
>On our way down the steps to get our coats & shoes so I could
>drop my children off at school on the way to work, Andrea 5YO
>said, "Mom, I need to take something that starts with an "I"
>for the "I"-table."
>
>Thinking quickly, I pulled an index card from my recipe box
>but Andrea refused to take it.  Then I saw an ice cube tray
>on the sink but she didn't want that either.  When I told
>her to put the index card in her backback her eyes welled up
>with tears and she said, "But Mommy, I don't want to take a
>piece of paper.  I want to take a stuffed animal."
>
>At this point, I told her to go get a stuffed animal.  She
>came down the stairs with a bear.  I told her to tell the
>class it was named Irene, and we got in the car and left.
>
>Thank goodness she doesn't do this to me often! 
>
     You're also lucky you don't have an Iguana.  When I started reading
this, that's the first thing that popped into my head.  That and
ice cream cone. (Heaven knows why - it's the middle of December, though it
may reach 50 degrees today.)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: palm@admin.kth.se (Christer Palm)
Subject: Re: When To Turn Car Seat?
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:57:46 GMT

In article <BzCwzo.G2J@unix.amherst.edu> njamal@unix.amherst.edu (Nuhad Jamal) writes:
>
>I probably should know this from my first son...but, when are you
>supposed to turn a backward facing infant seat forwards?  

When the child is 3 year or when the childs head reaches the to edge
of the seat. The neck of a child under 3 is not strong enough to keep
the head in place, burstings might occur in the neck due to the wait
of the head, in case of an accident.

/Christer
-- 
"Destiny makes relatives, selection makes friends."

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Subject: Re: My Son Won't Stand Up
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:33:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.193658.9477@rd.hydro.on.ca>, crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
|> 
|> Well the subject line says it all.  He is 14 months.  . . .
|> 
|> Anyway, he only started crawling two weeks before his 1st birthday.
. . .
Here's my data point to compare him to:

This sounds just like Brendan - didn't crawl until a week before turning
a year old and is now just starting to "toddle" at 16 months.  Is your son
big for his age?  Brendan was/is and the ped. said that makes his center
of gravity higher - making it more difficult to balance on two feet.  He
needed more muscle strength in his hips which he developed by pulling up
to his knees and bouncing while holding onto the whatever was handy.
Eventually he pulled himself to stand and started to cruise the furniture
and the rest is becoming history (thank goodness - I was starting to get
paranoid :) ).

Also, is he a good crawler?  Brendan crawls faster than I can walk so he
had no real motivation to walk to get places (or make Mommy run to catch
him :) ).

|>  My mom
|> thinks he would do better if I put some sturdy shoes on him, but I read
|> that babies do better when left in bare feet (socks) to strengthen their
|> feet.  Is this right?

Our ped. said he could wear the box that the shoes came in for all the good it
would do him. :)  The only reason we bought Brendan his first pair of shoes
was for protection at daycare.

|> He does get up on his knees leaning against things.  Is this progress
|> normal?

I think so - if you want to compare him to Brendan that is.

Overall, I wouldn't worry too much but still see the pediatrician for
reassurance.  At Brendan's 15mo checkup our ped. said he was a "late walker"
but that didn't mean anything since his small motor and verbal skills were
above normal for kids his age.  As long as he can accurately grasp a 
Cheerio with his finger and thumb and can say a few words beyond Mommy and
Daddy, then he's fine (again, according to the ped.).  If he can't do these
then he may need to be checked out for developmental delays.

Let me know how it goes, at least now you have someone to compare with.

-Laurel
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Laurel Cheap           University of Washington   lcheap@u.washington.edu
Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
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From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:20:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for a book
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Are you sure the title is correct?  I know of a little golden
book called "Tawny Scrawny Lion" but this lion is really skinny
and he proceeds to eat all the other animals--it doesn't sound
like the same book.

Let me know if it is.
Jean Jasinski
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kkuisman@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Kalle E Kuismanen)
Subject: You know you're a parent when...
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:00:54 GMT

you find yourself giving a good night kiss not only to your daughter,
but also to a doll.  Even the cat doesn't get left out , she too must 
kiss the doll.


Shannon Kuismanen (mother to Sonia , 18 mons.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids