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From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (YAJIMA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,fj.rec.baseball
Subject: Japan Central League
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:02:26 GMT
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 Jack Hoewll hit for the cycle and drove in four runs Wednesday, carrying
the Yakult Swallows past the Hiroshima Carp 11-7 at Jingu Stadium in Tokyo.
 Howell, formerly with California Angels and the  San Diego Padres, singled in
the second, doubled in the third, blasted a three-run homer over the centre
field wall in the fifth, and tripled in the seventh.
 He became the 44th player in Japanese pro baseball to accomplish the feat.
 His triple highlighted a tree-run attack that moved Yakult ahead 11-4.
 Second reliever Yukihito Ranbashi recorded his second win of the season as
he held the Carp scoreless over four innings from the fourth.

Dragons 2, Whales 1
 Genji Kaku scattered eight hits and Hiromitsu Ochiai hit a homer in the fourth
inning, giving Chunichi a victory over Taiyo in Nagoya.
 Chunichi jumped to a 1-0 lead in the first inning on an Alonzo Powell homer,
his eighth of the season, off Akio Saito.

Giants 4, Tigers 2
 To my great regret, pinch hitter Hiroshi Sato hit an infield single to a 
three-run Yomiuri rally in the ninth inning, leading Yomiuri, which I hate,
over Hanshin at Koshien Stadium. I could not get to sleep for a long while
last night because of vexation.

  H.Yajima
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From: sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:07:17 GMT

In article <3616@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <BruMG7.6oG@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
>
>
>>Of course Ducey would like to play and of course Ducey is probably ticked off
>>at management for not giving him a chance but he never complained or was
>>disruptive in the Clubhouse.  
>
>HOW DO YOU KNOW?  How do you know what Ducey has or hasn't done in the 
>clubhouse?  Are you guessing?  Do you live there?  Have you wired the place
>for sound?  Is Rance Mulliniks your brother-in-law?
>

One more thing David...would not Ducey's lawsuit against the Skydome be
disruptive? (hmm, too many Dave's here...can we do something about this? :-)

>>Right.  Bell may have been a great guy but the way he flatly refused to DH is
>>what ticked off management and the fans and that is why he isn't here now.  

>He sure played a lot of DH, for someone who "flatly refused".  How is Bell's
>flat refusal to be exclusively a DH any different from Winfield's similar
>flat refusal this year?

Bell's refusal to play DH is *not* what ticked the fans off.  Bell's inability
to produce as he did in his career year of 1987 is what ticked the fans off.
The media then blamed Bell's decline on his not moving to DH and "disagreements"
with Jimy Williams.  Then the fans, of course, picked up on these media 
reports and then started to boo him.  

Think carefully though.  At *EVERY* game I've seen, listened to or even
was at, whenever Bell came to the plate more people cheered him than jeered him.
These same fans cheered loudly for Bell when he was announced for his first
plate appearance against the Jays in Toronto.

No, the fans did not get on him as much as you'd like us to believe David.

Finally, Winfield's OF defensive is horrid.  But since he keeps the ball in
front of him at all times he does not look bad. He looks the same as Kirby
Puckett does. 

Anand Sinha
Jays #1 -> all the way in '92
Robbie Alomar for MVP		Jeff Kent for ROTY
Juan Guzman for Cy Young	Roger Maynard for MOAP

Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:41:57 -0400 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Super Minor Leaguers

These rankings are from the July 22-28 Baseball Weekly:

Top 5 Catchers:

Mike Piazza           Albuquerque (Dodgers)   1.046 OPS (.372/14/49 in 223 AB)
Javy Lopez            Greenville (Braves)      .913 OPS (.337/13/48 in 323 AB)
Bob Natal             Indianapolis (Expos)     .905 OPS (.333/9/44 in 252 AB)
Brian Dorsett         Buffalo (Pirates)        .852 OPS (.300/14/59 in 327 AB)
Ed Sprague            Syracuse (Blue Jays)     .826 OPS (.276/15/46 in 323 AB)

Top 5 Firstbasemen:

John Jaha             Denver (Brewers)        1.033 OPS (.321/18/69 in 274 AB)
George Canale         Canton-Akron (Indians)   .996 OPS (.304/15/? in ? AB)
Jeff Conine           Omaha (Royals)           .971 OPS (.309/19/65 in 330 AB)
Mike Aldrete          Colo. Springs (Indians)  .925 OPS (.329/7/63 in 307 AB)
Russ Morman           Nashville (Reds)         .905 OPS (.345/7/34 in 200 AB)

Top 5 Secondbasemen:

Bret Boone            Calgary (Mariners)       .910 OPS (.316/11/52/13sb
in 329)
Nelson Liriano        Colo. Springs (Indians)  .843 OPS (.315/5/33/17sb in 266)
Eric Young            Albuquerque (Dodgers)    .833 OPS (.345/2/46/26sb in 333)
Joel Chimelis         Shreveport (Giants)      .830 OPS (.322/9/39 in 295 AB)
Steve Scarsone        Scranton-W.B. (Phillies) .825 OPS (.283/10/42/9sb in 251)

Top 5 Shortstops:

Will Cordero          Indianapolis (Expos)     .868 OPS (.323/5/26/6sb in 189)
Dave Silvestri        Columbus (Yankees)       .809 OPS (.275/9/47/8sb in 251)
Alvaro Espinoza       Colo. Springs (Indians)  .805 OPS (.299/8/42 in 314 AB)
Carlos Garcia         Buffalo (Pirates)        .773 OPS (.276/9/47/13sb in 275)
John Valentin         Pawtucket (Red Sox)      .769 OPS (.255/9/27 in 294 AB)

Top 5 Thridbasemen:

Jim Tatum             Denver (Brewers)         .960 OPS (.332/14/62 in 319 AB)
Mike Blowers          Calgary (Mariners)       .912 OPS (.308/6/56 in 240 AB)
Frank Bolick          Jacksonville (Mariners)  .862 OPS (.304/20/64 in ? AB)
Sean Berry            Omaha (Royals)           .852 OPS (.295/14/55 in 312 AB)
Rick Schu             Scranton-W.B. (Phillies) .851 OPS (.320/7/29 in 244 AB)

Top 5 Outfielders:

Tim Salmon            Edmonton (Angels)       1.157 OPS (.369/20/85/32db
in 312)
Melvin Nieves         Greenville (Braves)      .976 OPS (.309/20/80 in 327 AB)
Monty Fariss          Oklahoma City (Rangers)  .972 OPS (.299/9/38 in 187 AB)
Al Martin             Buffalo (Pirates)        .941 OPS (.301/15/41/10sb
in 276)
Phil Stephenson       Las Vegas (Padres)       .935 OPS (.332/?/? in ? AB)
From: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: rc/27 for ss'
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:47:58 EST
Reply-To: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

NL=>Manuel Lee, Toronto             4.18 (definitely not an all-star)

Maybe not an all star but his defense makes up for this. And anyway I 
will take a solid fielding shortstop over a good hitting shortstop who 
can't field.

I was one of the guys who were down on Manny at the start of the year 
but this little guy looks better as time goes on. I am very pleased 
with his hitting and ecstatic over his fielding.

Cheers.....

               Russel
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From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran)
Subject: Re: ** WIFFLEBALL **
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:10:40 GMT

Our neighborhood had a pond at the bottom of the street, with a stretch of
beach along the shore.  Home plate was at one end of the beach, with third
base being right at the shoreline.  At the other end of the beach (well over
150 feet away to straightaway center) was the fence marking the edge of my
folks' front lawn (this became the automatic home run fence when we switched
from a wiffleball to a tennis ball, an equipment change that didn't thrill
Mom and Dad all that much).  About 50 feet foul of first base was the Martins'
house (their sons Doug, Danny, and Dave were frequent players, although
Danny's penchant for tackling baserunners could be annoying).

Ground Rules:  Any ball hit into the water past third base was foul, although
it could be caught in the air for an out (albeit a costly one for the defense).
A ball landing in the gully beyond second base was an automatic double, since
there could be broken glass in that area.

Weirdness:
"Ghost" runners were a staple in shorthanded games, as was "Indian rubber"
(throwing a batted ball in the area ahead of a ghost runner to get him out --
hey, when you're ten, a lot of dumb things make perfect sense). 
There was a pitcher, but no catcher (the Sullivan's stockade fence served as a
backstop).
On hot days, the game usually ended with a long fly to the pond in left and
BOTH teams going for the diving grab.
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From: ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RC/27 for SS'
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:01:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul23.233012.17899@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>AMERICAN LEAGUE
>Rico Rossy, Kansas City		3.20	
>===============================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

	Does anybody know if this is the same Rossy that went to Purdue back
	in the mid 80's.  I am just curious.  I know that the Rossy that went
	to Purdue was drafted and that he changed his name.

	Just wondering ??????

	Thanks,
				---Mark
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From: djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:15:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.200717.26445@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha) writes:
>In article <3616@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>>In article <BruMG7.6oG@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:

>One more thing David...would not Ducey's lawsuit against the Skydome be
>disruptive? (hmm, too many Dave's here...can we do something about this? :-)

Not if he treated it as a lawsuit against the Skydome only as a lawsuit 
against the Skydome and didn't bring that into the Clubhouse.

>Bell's refusal to play DH is *not* what ticked the fans off.  Bell's inability
>to produce as he did in his career year of 1987 is what ticked the fans off.
>The media then blamed Bell's decline on his not moving to DH and "disagreements"
>with Jimy Williams.  Then the fans, of course, picked up on these media 
>reports and then started to boo him.  

But maybe the problem with Jimy Williams effected his play.  My point is that
he should do what the manager asks and if he has a problem with that he should
talk to higher management about it, not the media as he did.

>Think carefully though.  At *EVERY* game I've seen, listened to or even
>was at, whenever Bell came to the plate more people cheered him than jeered him.
>These same fans cheered loudly for Bell when he was announced for his first
>plate appearance against the Jays in Toronto.
>
>No, the fans did not get on him as much as you'd like us to believe David.

But they did boo him though.

>Finally, Winfield's OF defensive is horrid.  But since he keeps the ball in
>front of him at all times he does not look bad. He looks the same as Kirby
>Puckett does. 

So. Whats your point.

>Anand Sinha
>Jays #1 -> all the way in '92
>Robbie Alomar for MVP		Jeff Kent for ROTY
>Juan Guzman for Cy Young	Roger Maynard for MOAP
>
--David Johnson

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From: lpeitso@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lance)
Subject: Re: Both Canadian teams in first place
Summary: Time to rip on Dave "Isn't Hung like a Jim Acker Fastball" Kirsch
Keywords: Canadian first, seriousness not needed
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:35:58 GMT



In Article <1992Jul30.142611.6474@encore.com>, jlundy@encore.com (Joe "I can try to stick up for Kirsch" Lundy ) writes: 

>In article <1992Jul30.133126.27502@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lpeitso@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lance "Rentzel") writes:
>|> Lundy
>|> 
>|> 	If both teams can actually finish first in their respective divisions
>|> I will see Dave "Turkey Boy" Kirsch flying around the U of M going nuts.  I
>|> would have to say that I think Dave would vote for Montreal if they went to 
>|> the series.  He may be Blue Jays all the way right now, but I think he would
>|> rather see Montreal win.  My reasons for this are: 1) Dave Kirsch is a little
>|> on the screwy side.  2) I think Dave is just trying to build up the Jays 
>|> confidence so they blow it in the end.  3) Lundy !!  4) If the Spos actually
>|> win the whole damn thing Dave will get $1000 dollars from the big bad boys
>|> in Vegas.  We'll see what happens with the Spos.  But anyways everyone just
>|> go ahead and Lundy.

>1) Who is this guy?

	Who am I?  I am the terror that flaps in the night!  I am the Jim Acker
pitch that finally landed off Jose Canseco's bat.  I am the celulite monster
that lives under Cecil Fielder's bed ( and man is it a tight fit).  I am the
bored computer consultant who has nothing better to do than to read r.s.bb.  I
am Darkwing Lance (trademark pending).

>2) Is this one of Dave "Earwax Donor" Kirsch's evil creations? (same system)

	You are mighty close.  But I am not his creation (unless he knew my 
mother when he was 2).

>3) How many Canadians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

	I believe the answer to that one is simple.  They wouldn't need the 
light bulb.  The glow from the hockey game on the tv would be enough light.

>4) Peitso!

	What a cool last name.  So wonderful and caring.  The thrower of a 
damn good keg party.  Just ask Dave "Let's hit on some sixteen year olds"
Kirsch.  


>A word of note:  This could be the Jays' year.  Mind you I am not woofing, but
>just observing.  (Wasn't Toronto a Red Sox farm team at one point in the '60's?)


Well yeah the Jays are good this year, but they will pull a Twins stunt to 
make life interesting for someone like Kirsch.

Lundy everyone.


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*	enough whiskey for three, and enough women for four.		      *
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*       All opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.  So you can't have    *
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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Wiffleball Equipment?
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:38:25 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

What type of bats and balls do most people use in wiffleball. I haven't
played in years and this thread has got me excited to play again.
We used to use the thin yellow bats and the balls with holes on one
side. Curve balls were easy with those balls, even for ten year olds like
us.

 O    Brian Kiviat
 I\   kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil
 I \  David Taylor Model Basin
/
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:58:11 GMT

In article <Bs3uut.5xv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson) writes:

>If my memory is any good I seem to recall Luis Soho getting injured when
>he was faking a duel with another player with pocket knives.  I believe
>that he was put on the DL.  I think that this occured near the end of last
>season.  Can anyone verify this?

I am not sure if Sojo went on the DL, but your story is basically correct.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
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From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: 69 Mets
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:02:34 GMT

In article <Don.1.0@wang.com> Don@wang.com (Don Rivard) writes:
>Who were the 4 mets pitchers during the 69 seasons?	

There were five of them.

Seaver, Koosman, Gentry, Cardwell, and McAndrew.

Lots of people like to say "Ryan" for #4, and in fact I won a trivia
call-in on the radio once with that answer.  Won a pound of Earl Grey
tea, oddly enough.  OF course, the announcer who posed the question was
about 6 years old when the Mets won in 69, so I'll go easy on him.  But
Ryan only started 10 games.  And shone in relief in the post-season.

Roger

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:22:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.215441.13911@cs.umn.edu> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith) writes:
>rap because of personality conflicts. Maybe he is a leader-type, but the
>team already has some entrenched leaders.  

I think this last point should be emphasized.  In all organizations,
challenges to the established leadership structure, even if desirable due
to deficiencies in that leadership structure, will typically not endear the
challenger to the challengees.  How do you know whether the challenger is
just a troublemaker, or whether the challengees are being poor leaders?
You're going to hear much the same stuff in the media either way.

There's also the situation where a new manager may be insecure in his
position, and reluctant to have anybody on the team who might 'undermine'
his authority.  The line between "leader" and "troublemaker" is often razor
thin.  

Basically, I don't think any of us are privy to enough information to make
any rational judgements as to whether or not a player's personality is a
help or a hindrance to a team, and that's why I'm reluctant to buy into
arguments of the form "player A is a better player than player B because of
his leadership, heart, character, hustle, etc.".  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:52:40 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul28.161807.3168@otago.ac.nz> guilford@otago.ac.nz writes:
>In article <3811@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>> 	Bonds:		48.6 + 5.1 = 53.7 marginal runs
>> 	Puckett:	25.2 + 0.3 = 25.5 marginal runs
>> 	Salazar:	 4.5 - 1.8 =  2.7 marginal runs
>> 
>> Greg's original claim, that Puckett's stats are closer to Salazar's than they
>> are to Bonds's, still holds true when you look at total contribution over the
>> season.  Had Salazar played full-time, it would be even closer.
>
>But of course this is dead wrong.  

I don't think so.  I wish you'd explain why you do.

>If "closer" is a meaningful thing,
>then Puckett is closer to Bonds than Salazar.  If "closer" is just a
>linear thing, then Puckett is closer to Salazar.  

Since when are "meaningful" and "linear" antonyms?

Puckett's absolute contribution to winning, in runs, was closer to that of
Salazar than it was to that of bonds.  Since wins are essentially linear in
runs, what's the problem?

>Assuming this particular metric holds up to transformations.

What transformation is needed?

>To see this, note that there are far more guys between Puckett and Salazar 
>than between Puckett and Bonds.

What's your point?  It's the distribution of talent that's nonlinear, not 
the usefulness of runs.  I don't see how this is relevant.



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From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cubs totally finished with Maddux?
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:15:50 PST

In article <1992Jul23.200609.5991@advtech.uswest.com>, steven@jaynes.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) writes:
> I'm getting extremely depressed over this Maddux thing.  I was reading
> today that the Cubs are already shopping him around, and that a trading
> deadline in 8 days may be met.
> 
> Damn, can the Cubs do anything?  With the rest of their staff so amazing
> this year, how can they let him go?  Are negotiations absolutely out of
> the question.
> 

   Since Oakland and San Diego are discussing a BHurst deal, I wonder what the
 A's would give up for Maddux instead ?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: YEEEESSSSS!!!!!
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:26:49 GMT


stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb) writes:

>After watching the Cubs put together a pitching clinic on the Reds 1-0,
>I flipped the cable box from WGN to SportsChannel to see how Rick
>Sutcliffe was doing against the White Sox. It didn't look good in
>the 7th. By the time the 8th came around I stopped watching, but
>left the TV on to continue playing PTP. Down 7-2 and the Sox basically
>looking like the Cubs offensively, what else was there to think?

>Meanwhile, the Sox started their eruption that left Sut w/o a win,
>the O's pen in a shambles, and the Sox with an 8-run inning, good
>enough for a 10-7 win.

>Life is good again in Chicago.

Gee, and from the subject line I thought this was going to be
a thread on the worst announcer in baseball.

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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Boddicker on DL -- WHAT'S THE SCOOP??? Help, KC Fans!
Organization: Clark University
Date: 28 JUL 92 17:24:15 GMT

I just saw that Mike Boddicker has been placed on the 15-day disabled
list.  Can anybody tell me what's going on?

Judging from his last two starts (cruising early, control
problems in later innings) I'm guessing that it's his back.

Heather ("Wondering in Worcester")
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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