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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: V6 .vs. inline 6
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:27:39 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <SHANTANU.92Aug12093508@poseidon.oakhill.uucp> shantanu@poseidon.oakhill.uucp (Shantanu Ganguly) writes:
>In article <BOWERS.92Aug11134458@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:

>If the
>   two opposing pistons meet TDC (top dead center) and BDC (bottom dead
>   center) simultaneously, then the engine is a boxer ( the pistons move
>   in and out together in a `boxing' fashion, hence the name).  If,
>   however, the pistons that oppose are at TDC and BDC at the same time,
>   the engine is a 180 degree V.

>Seems like in a 4 cylinder boxer (Subaru engines), there will be two
>power strokes for every four strokes (with two cylinders firing for
>each power stroke), while in a regular four cylinder, each stroke will
>be a power stroke (with one cylinder firing at each stroke). 
>Won't the 4 cylinder boxer produce a lot of nvh?

If I understand it correctly, when the opposing pistons are at TDC in
a boxer, it does not mean that they are both in the power cycle.  One
cylinder will be in power stroke while the other is in the end of its
exhaust stroke.

The boxer four is the theoretically optimal arrangement for a 4 banger
because the vibrations are cancelled out more completely than in a
inline 4.  


eliot
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili)
Subject: Re: New MBs
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:35:26 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1353@ceylon.gte.com> hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes:

>think it's called the 250D.  They european designations are strange:  190E 1.8,
>190E 2.0, 230E (=US 190E 2.3--there is no 190E 2.6 that I have seen), 

Wait a second!  Are these totally new engines on the 190 body or are you
making an error?  As far as I know, the 190 bodies come with one of the 
following engines: 1.9L, 2.3L, 2.6L, 2.3L 16V, or 2.6L 24V.  (There may be
some diesel engines too which I don't care about.)

>the small ones as well, but less common).  It's the ultimate "stealth"
>badging--none at all.  In fact most people M-B's from the factory without
>badges (unless it's the top of the line, where you would want to show off).  
>The badges can be removed with a heat gun anyway, according to the factory
>technician I talked to.

I thought that the badges were riveted to the body.  When you order your
car you have to explicitly specify that you don't want the badges put on
your car.  It is an option just like asking for a sunroof on your order.
I don't think they charge extra for not having a badge, though.  

-Payman
From: msl30@ccc.amdahl.com (Michael Lucash)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: windshield problem
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:31:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: JUTS.905l02El1eJ601
Reply-To: msl30@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Michael Lucash)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug18.155855.6698@nynexst.com> ziny@nynexst.com (Ziny Flikop) writes:
>I have Buick and Galant. On each of them about 80,000 miles. I drive them on the same road. On Buick I have an  original windshield, but on Galant I am changing
> already fifth windshield now. Can somebody tell my why?
>

I noticed this too.  This week my new Nissan Nx2000 got hit with a small stone
in the windshield at about 45 MPH.  I thought nothing of it until I got home
and saw a small crack just above the wipers.  

My other car, a 1980 Cutlass Supreme, had over 110K miles with the same
windshield and I know it has had more rock hit it than my new car which is
really babied.

                       Mike
From: wmcfadde@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Red vs. amber turn signals
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:28:58 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

While in England this summer, with the US Air Force, I noticed that all the
cars I saw had amber turn signals at the rear. Cars that had been manufactured
with red rear turn signals had been modified to have amber. In some cases,
this involved replacing the lens, as in the case of the Corvettes. In other
cases, the backup light lens had been painted amber or the bulb replaced
with an amber one, and the bulb wired as the turn signal. Some of the cars  
with the backups so modified had no other backups, so apparently the Brits
aren't required to have them.

An unrelated point of interest: The non-British cars often had electrical 
tape or some other opaque tape on the headlights to block or re-direct the
flare of the low beams. (Cars in most of the world except the US have
low beams with a very sharp cutoff, with a flare up to the side of the road
where oncoming taffic isn't. Thus cars on the Continent have flares to the
right, and cars driven on the left have flares to the left.)

Eric.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
From: lusky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:41:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.220910.27207@linus.mitre.org> rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.202616.22716@walter.bellcore.com> jyri@faline.UUCP (Jyri Virkki) writes:
>
>>>I _HIGHLY_ recommend an '81 or later Rabbit Diesel.  I know someone who has
>>>750,000 miles on one he drives daily, I had one that I sold with 305,000
>
>>My father had a '81 Rabbit Diesel, and it was absolutely the worst car I've
>>ever seen, heard of, or even imagined.
>
>>The only nice thing was the fuel 
>>economy, but it's certainly not worth having a car that used to leave
>>us stranded at _least_ five or six times a year. And, being the unpopular
>>model (who buys diesels anyway?)
>
>Those who want good fuel economy and expect to get several hundred
>thousand miles from the engines.  If gas went up to $5.00/gal, even
>you would probably consider it.
>
>>repairs and parts were wildly expensive.
>
>As far as parts, I can get
>
>spark plugs	0
>ignition wires	0
>distributor cap	0
>electronic ECU	0
>carburator	0
>
>As far as engine components, I haven't had to replace any, so I can't
>comment about prices.
>
>Roberto L. Landrau    KC1YP    landrau@mitre.org  rll@linus.mitre.org

You left out one major part, which i suspect may have been what stranded
the previous poster...  The injection pump!  Don't ever run a vw diesel out of
fuel!
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stealth? NOT!
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:35:05 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Aug13.233607.16906@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, 
ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm) writes:
> But according to the Car Rags, black cars DO have smaller
> radar signatures.

I am reassured that there was a reason I bought a black
car other than a perverse desire to wash cars every day.

I wonder if the smaller radar signature would extend to a black car's
signature with laser?


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: 18971@rhodes.aero.org
Subject: Re: How Accurate is the Blue Book?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA. USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:11:39 PST

In article <1992Aug20.093143.1@us.oracle.com>, eoates@us.oracle.com writes:
... (good stuff deleted to make space)
> 
> Also note that the "wholesale" price is also considered by most insurance
> companies to be the "actual cash value" which is what you get from your company
> when the car is totalled.  The retail price is NOT used by insurance companies. 
> The dealer most likely paid wholesale or very close to it (and don't forget to
> adjust the prices, wholesale and retail, as specified by the "blue book" for
> mileage, options, west coast car (they are worth more :) ), etc.  Use that
> adjusted wholesale price as your negotiating starting point.  The dealer will
> use the retail price or higher :(.
> 
> Ed Oates (my opinions, not Oracle's) 

  From personal experience, we had our 1988 Honda Accord DX declared a total
loss by our insurance company last week. Blue book says whole sale value is
$6375. and retail is $9100 with 60K miles. Ours had 88K miles and thus must
be adjusted $1700. downward. The insurance company offers $7129. + tax -
deductible. We went shopping at dealerships and could not find a similar car
for a higher price (in order to ask for more payout from the insurance co.)
This is Southern California situation.

Those are the facts.
Quan
From: prg@mogun.UUCP (Phil Gunsul - WB9AAX)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: alt.autos.antique
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:25:09 GMT
Reply-To: prg@mgweed.att.com (Phil Gunsul - WB9AAX)
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

Keywords: 

In article <1992Aug13.145804.14942@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans) writes:
>dpl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (douglas.p.linden) writes:
>
>>Is alt.autos.antique still alive and active? I have asked that
>>it be added to our server, but i have not seen any cross-postings
>>which leads me to believe the group may not exist any more.
>
><<<* Over my dead terminal ! (easy to arrange 8->) No I think that
>     traffic in alt.autos.antique is inversely proportional to the 
>     amount of oil burnt at midnight by grease stained nitrous crazed
>     looneys...who will be back to posting when they 're done wrenching.
>     That's my theory anyway. Me Dave & Phil are still here...aren't we ?
>     Hey guys...guys ??? Heellloooo....anybody out there.
>                                                         CFN-Bigfoot.
>-- 
>  ___________________________________________________________________  
>|| Geof Evans                 | DOMAIN: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au  ||
>|| Melbourne,Australia 3000   | Tel: +61 3 663 3663		     ||
>||   If they *really* wanna know...tell 'em that God was drunk.      ||
>||___________________________________________________________________||


At's right mate!  I heard you call and dropped my wrenches on the floor
and came right over!  ;^)

Honestly though, my nephew told me he read your post here Geof, I'm
thousands of post behind on netnews :^(  I have been having trouble
even with the "hotrod" mailing list because of the large volume of
traffic there.

From what I can see here on alt.autos.antique, we are seeing on the
average, about 6 articles per day.  I think everyone's just working on
their cars and driving them Geof . . .  Now, where did I drop that
dad-gum spanner ! ! !


Phil
From: s9232@newshost.gte.com (Hammad Azzam)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: LS 400
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:38:10 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

I heard many good things about this car.  Before I buy one, any comments, positive
or negative?

s9232@gte.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jay@oclc.org (Young Jeff)
Subject: Re: Saturn featured on cover of this weeks BUSINESS WEEK
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:26:12 GMT

joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:
: Business Week (a weekly magazine from McGraw Hill) has a major
: story on the success of Saturn and what it means for GM.
: They also have an editorial on Saturn. Saturn is apparently
: backlogged with orders and cannot build them fast enough
: to meet demand.
: 
: The net is BW feels that GM had better learn the lesson of 
: Saturn's success but recognizes that GM, with scarce resources,
: needs to allocate future funding carefully among Saturn, Chevrolet,
: etc.
: 
: Stempel (Chairman) has some reservations since he thinks that
: Saturn owners can simply graduate to bigger GM cars, i.e. Chevrolet, 
: Oldsmobile, Pontiac, etc. BW disagrees with him.
: 
: BTW - I own a 1991 Saturn SC, and like it alot. 
: 
: Get the magazine - its good reading....

I recently bought a 92 Saturn SC and am very happy with it as well.
I haven't read the article yet, but would like to comment on graduating
to bigger GM cars.  FAT CHANCE IN HELL!  The Saturn fulfilled just
about every requirement I wanted even better than the Japanese cars
did.  That's why I bought it.  I am pleased it was built in America
and that was a plus, but if they think I am back to American for good,
they are sadly mistaken.  I will buy the best car for the best price
even if I have to buy it from Satan Motors, Inc.  I am attending
Saturn's open house for new owners tonight.  If the article is as
you say, I will be sure to bring this up with them then.
-- 
Jeff Young

Opinions expressed are mine alone.
From: mdk@michael.udev.cdc.com (Mike D. Kail)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Info on a 91' Hyundai Scoupe LS
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:05:22 GMT
Reply-To: mdk@michael.udev.cdc.com (Mike D. Kail)
Organization: Control Data Systems

Does anyone have any info on this car, such as price, performance,
reliability, MPG, etc...

Please send e-mail or post to this group.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| Mike D. Kail                          mdk@udev.cdc.com        |
| Control Data Systems, Inc.                                    | 
| 4201 North Lexington Avenue           (612) 482-2942 (W)      |
| Arden Hills, MN  55126                (612) 781-9880 (H)      |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| "Fast or slow, no matter what the pace, I know I can win."    |
|  - Morceli                                                    |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Organization: The TeleSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 7958
Distribution: usa 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:24:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.105423.21815@tsoft.sf-bay.org> meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU) writes:
>	The $553 for labor does include lots of stuff such as:
>lube all locks and hinges, pack front wheel bearings, balance wheels,
>alignment, service auto trans., check air bag, engine tune-up,
>and oil change.

Oh, I forgot.  They also service the fuel injection system which cost
the most of all the jobs that they did.
Here's a run down of the labor costs:

1.  Check all fluids, hoses, belts, safety check (repack air bag, etc),
    service battery, air tires, lube all locks and hinges: $34.50

2.  Tune-up engine, replace filters: $97.50 

3.  Service fuel injection: $110

4.  Replace frame mounted fuel filter: $20.50

5.  Change oil: $20.50

6.  Pack front wheel bearings: $68

7.  Rotate tires, balance wheels: $34

8.  Alignment: $50

9.  Flush cooling system: $50

10. Service auto. trans.: $68


This is for a Ford Taurus wagon at 30,000 mi service at Sunnyvale Ford.

Parts and oil, lube total cost : $159

Grand total : $712


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From: mike@mote.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Friedrich)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Michelin MXV tire and its competitors
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:21:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

I need new tires for my '79 Volkswagen, which currently has 175/70R13
Michelin MXLs, but the sidewalls of these tires are too soft so they don't
corner well.  My goal is to improve handling at a reasonable price, without
having to buy larger rims (currently 5x13).  The tires should have decent 
wet performance, but mud&snow capability is not needed.

Is the Michelin MXV worth its steep price, or are there other brands of
similar tires that are as good or have newer and better designs?  How about
Pirelli P6?

Thanks!
Mike Friedrich
UC Berkeley Mechanical Engineering
mike@mote.berkeley.edu
From: vpopesc@opus.uucp (Valentin Popescu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Yet another tire inflation question
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:08:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Lost Angels

I have a tire inflation question.. I know this subject has been beaten
to death, but please bear with me and help if you can. ;)

I recently purchased a Dodge Daytona (85 model, Turbo 2.2l). However,
I have no clue what the tire pressure should be, because:

	1. The car has been lowered. It now runs on P195-50R15 tires.
	   They look cute, but from the handling I am pretty sure they
	   are underinflated.

	2. The front tires are called "Mickey Thompson Competitor II".
	   I never heard of them. They are new however, so I won't
	   spring for a better known brand _yet_. They seem to be
	   british.

	   Rear tires are Remington XT120. They are a bit older, but not
	   much. Probably moved from front.

	   The front tires are rated for 1019 lbs @ 44 PSI max
	   The rear  tires are rated for 1019 lbs @ 35 PSI max

So.. What pressure should I maintain on front and back respectivelly?
I do mostly street driving and short freeway driving, although from
time to time I drive long distances (last weekend I drove 740 miles
non-stop.. except for gas)

Thanks.. Reply as you find more comfortable. I like this newsgroup and
look through it often. Should you prefer mail, "vpopesc@opus.calstatela.edu" 
should work better than whatever weirdness may be in this header.


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From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: BMW M3 VS. BMW 325
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

  Well, the BMW M3 is faster than the 325.  The M3's are due out with
the new body styles pretty soon.  It's already out in Germany and has
bout 286 or 268 h.p.  The differnce between the M3 and the 325 is the M3
has more power, Motorsport engine, slightly different interior trim, and
slightly different body compared to the old body styles (1991 and
before.)  The M3 has fender flares, side skirts, front spoiler, rear
wing, and rear valence, and is not legally sold in California because
it doesn't meet CA's emission standards, but CA does have M3's.

Erich Lim
  erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
From: lin@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Why install custom wheels?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:56:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Browsing through some auto magazines, I saw a whole lot of wheels
advertisements.  Some of them cost over $2000 for a set.  I know that
different tires give you different performances and their prices might
vary quite a bit, but I'm not too sure how wheels can make such an
improvement on your car to warrant such an expenditure.  I guess there
must be something offered by a set of BBS that my factory wheels are 
lacking.  Can somebody enlighten me on this?  Besides, what do you do
with your original wheels after installing new wheels?


Thanks
Fred
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From: garyg@hpcuhb.cup.hp.com (Gary Gitzen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Toyota or Celica mailing lists?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:26:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

Are there Toyota or Celica mailing lists?

Does the Toyota Celica share engines, transmissions, etc with other Toyota
models?

If there are no lists, what would the demand be for one? Should I start a
Celica mailing list?

Please mail all inquiries or comments to "celica-request@cup.hp.com" or
"....!uunet!cup.hp.com!celica-request". Thanks.

Gary Gitzen
From: pnelson@cobra.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Red vs. amber turn signals
Summary: no problem!
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:10:19 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Aug13.223439.45251@datamark.co.nz> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.013354.22700@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug11.111641.4424@linus.mitre.org> rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) writes:
>>>Here we go again... I thought we squared this one out last year.
>>
>>is any silly discussion on rec.autos ever really dead?  i think not.
>
>Nah, it just comes back as a US sports car vs Japanese sports car
>argument. :-)
>
>Well, the question is, why do cars use red rear flashers?
>
>If a car has red rear flashers, what does it use at the front? I guess
>it has to use amber because otherwise it could be even more confusing.

They use amber at the front. It used to be simple: if you saw amber, you
were looking at the front of the car. No longer.

>It must be confusing - what happens if a car has it's headlights on at
>night (so the rears are lit up) and then they indicate to turn a
>corner and start braking at the same time? Can you tell what it's
>doing?

Yes. The turn-signal uses the same filament (typically) as the brake light,
so it's obviously brighter than the taillight. If the brakes are on, the
turn-signal interrupts the brake light on the signalling side, so you still
see the signal. The situation you describe occurs many times each night
in the USA and other places, no one seems to have a big problem with it.

>    Thomas Farmer | tfarmer@datamark.co.nz    or | Amiga 2.04, AIX 3.1

--
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From: jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James Yuhn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James Yuhn)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Aug19.031446.29656@engage.pko.dec.com>,
sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) writes:
|>
|>In article <1992Aug18.181916.22971@bnr.ca>, jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James
Yuhn) writes...
|>>   
|>>  [ Boring maintenance history of my automobile deleted... ]
|>
|>Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
|>
|>Can you tell us if there were gotchas in this job?  For example, is there any
|>trick in refilling the cooling system to make sure there are no air bubbles?
Is
|>there drain valve at the radiator?  Is there drain plug on the engine and if
so
|>where is it? How do you remove the coolant bottle?  Does it just come right
up
|>or do I have to disconnect the inlet hoses?  Why did you have to do regrease
the
|>rear bearings?  My other car, 83 Prelude, I have never repacked them, 113K
miles
|>and counting.
|>
|>Thanks,
|>Vikas Sontakke		Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA.
|>Internet:		sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com
|>    uucp:		{decvax,ucbvax,allegra}!decwrl!helix.enet!sontakke
|>			sontakke%helix.enet@decwrl.dec.com
  
  Naw, it's a piece of cake. I didn't find a drain petcock on the block,
  though I could have looked harder. I just took the approach of 1) drain
  coolant 2) Fill with water 3) Run engine until thermostat opens 4) Drain
  water 5) Repeat until satisfied. Then I topped up the coolant system 
  with antifreeze and distilled water, using a hydrometer (is that the 
  correct term?) to test the mix. I used a small pump to drain the
  coolant bottle, and just rinsed it out with water. No tricks are required
  to remove bubbles in the coolant system. 
 
  One more tip. I recently replaced two of my heater hoses. Garden variety
  Tauri are know for early failure of the two heater hoses running to the 
  firewall. Mine were turning chalky in color and bulging a bit at 35K. 
  It's cheap insurance.
 
  As for why I repacked the wheel bearings. The maintenance schedule which
  came with the car calls for it. Believe me, they needed it too. This task
  is exactly as difficult as repacking the front bearings on a typical 
  RWD Detroit style car. 
 
  Jim                                                       
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