From: newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (News Acct. 1)
Subject: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Organization: High Energy Concepts
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:08:47 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Summary: the modified modified proposal


	A few suggestions were made via email that I
	have incorporated here.  The hardware/software
	split is nixed and a seperate group just for 
	software is added.  In addition, a group for
	workstations such as sun and hp.  isa has been
	changed to pc.clone to be as generic as possible.

	misc.forsale.computers.pc.clone         [imb clone systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.apple		[apple systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.workstation	[sun/next/hp systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.communications	[modems and the like]
	misc.forsale.computers.software		[all software, o/s ]
	misc.forsale.computers.printers		[printers/plotters]
	misc.forsale.computers.storage		[disk/tape/cdrom]	
	misc.forsale.computers.other		[books,other systems,misc]
	misc.forsale.computers.d		[flame wars]


	I think this encompasses most of the ideas 
	you have had to better this group.  There will
	never be a proposal that everybody can agree to
	100%, but this looks like a workable compromise.
	It should increase the readability of the group
	quite a bit and instill a bit of order to the
	process of selling computer related equipment on 
	the net.  So unless there are significant objections,
	I'll post a CFV on Sunday - which brings up the
	question- does anybody want to be the vote taker?

	Thanks for your help,

	Mike

[below are some email sent to me concerning the RFD ]


Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 12:33:04 CDT
From: Mark Linimon <linimon@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>
Message-Id: <9208251733.AA00616@stmartin>
To: newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD status
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,news.groups
Organization: /etc/organization
Cc: linimon@nominil.lonesome.com
Status: RO

In article <1992Aug22.211629.973@qedqcd.rye.ny.us> you write:
>	After an initial flurry of discussion, most of which
>	was quite positive towards a reorganization of the 
>	group, discussion has quieted.  In another week or
>	so it will be time for the first call for votes.  
>	I'll be posting another message tonite or tomorrow
>	summarizing most popular proposals.  We should have
>	a final round of discussion to formalize what we
>	will vote on. 

So it's not too late to add/detract from the group reorg discussion?
I've been away from the net for several weeks, unfortunately.

What a friend and I had discussed here was something along the order
of:

misc.market.computers.amiga		Hardware and software for Amiga computers.
misc.market.computers.appleii		Hardware and software for Apple II computers.
misc.market.computers.atari		Hardware and software for Atari computers.
misc.market.computers.mac		Hardware and software for Macintosh computers.
misc.market.computers.pc-clone	Hardware and software for Intel-based computers.
misc.market.computers.workstation	Hardware and software for workstation computers.
misc.market.computers.misc		Hardware and software for all other computers.
misc.market.computers.components	RAM, EPROMs, and so forth, applicable to many computers.
misc.market.computers.periphs		Disks, modems, tape drives, and so forth, applicable to many computers.

There may be a valid need for groups for more type of computers.  I'm not
that much of an expert on the distribution of postings in the group.  But
I *do* think some kind of effort to establish a .components and a .periphs
is *very* important.

I don't think the division software-vs-hardware will work, people don't
divide their postings up that way.  He doesn't think forsale-vs-wanted
works, I'm not sure, but he may be right.  In either of these two, however,
I could be convinced otherwise.

I also would like to see a mirror of each of these things created in biz.*
so that commercial folks selling stuff would have a place to go with their
postings.  I'd take the initiative on it if no one objects.

I'm very much in favor of a split, but I hope I can push you (and public
opinion) in favor of .components and .periphs, and somewhat less for
the other ideas.

If it's OK with you, and you don't think this is too half-baked, I'll
post these things early on in the discussion.

Mark
reachable at home at linimon@nominil.lonesome.com
just on loan to Tandem...



Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:17:22 EDT
From: Tom Guptill <tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Message-Id: <9208261817.AA07700@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
To: newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Status: RO

What about also keeping the original "misc.forsale.computers" so that
_everyone_ will be happy?


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From: Steven McClure <stm0@gte.com>
Message-Id: <9208261935.AA24453@bunny.gte.com>
To: newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA
Cc:  
Status: RO

Hi there.  One suggestion:  I'm assuming the 'isa' group is for IBM pcs
and compatibles, right? (I know, I know, never assume, 'cause you ...) :-)

Anyway, maybe 'ibm' or 'pc' or 'ibmpc' or something might be better, as
not everyone will know to use 'isa' for IBM's and compatibles.  Anyway,
the rest looked good to me!!!

-- Steve McClure
stm0@gte.com




Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:34 EDT
From: Gary Sanders <gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org>
To: newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/v.32/pep)
Cc:  
Status: RO


In article <1992Aug25.222717.648@qedqcd.rye.ny.us> newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (News Acct. 1) writes:
>
>Hi all,
>
>	Here's a modified proposal - I think it captures most
>	of what has been said so far:
>
>	misc.forsale.computers.isa.systems
>	misc.forsale.computers.isa.software

		ISA.???.. judging from many of the postings. few people
will know what ISA is...

	how about keeping this simple.. why a different 
	groups for software and hardware. If you want software
	seperated put all software in one area.

	misc.forsale.computers.pc	(dos type machine)
	misc.forsale.computers.mac	(macies..)
	misc.forsale.computers.amiga	(macies..)
	misc.forsale.computers.unix	(anything running unix)	
	misc.forsale.computers.modems	(all modulators and demodulators)
	misc.forsale.computers.printers	(all printers)
	misc.forsale.computers.disk	(disk floppy and hard,cd,)
	misc.forsale.computers.other	(other junk)
	misc.forsale.computers.d	(bitching areas)

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:40:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stefan Monnier <sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Status: RO

Excerpts from netnews.misc.forsale.computers: 25-Aug-92
misc.forsale.computers RFD News Acct. 1@qedqcd.rye. (982)


> Hi all,

[proposal text deleted]



> 	So how does it look?


All right ! just fine !

> Mike

That's all: bye

	Stefan Monnier





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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:43:06 -0500
From: Ko-Ming Wang <koming@ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-Id: <9208270243.AA05534@eddystone.ecn.purdue.edu>
To: newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Cc:  
Status: RO

This is a good idea to separate the news group.
When will be effective
?


Newsgroups: news.groups