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From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Look who's back - (was Re: Coming Out)
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:39:24 GMT
Organization: Bad Grammar

In article <24289@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>
>>It would have been worth it. Wonder what I would look like with short hair?
>
>Well I need no more encouragement than that.  Those wishing to see Jon's
>new No. 1 (Prisoner pun intended) should attend the Next Party.  Didn't
>I hear someone in Cambridge offering?
>
Cambridge would be nice -- a lot easier to get to, but I don't think 
our household could cope with staging the event itself.  Jon with
short hair would require such an adjustment of mental image that I
can only say: don't do it....


--
\S 
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk           |              |"Stormy weather turns to blue;
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        |              |"Here's a song to take with you:
and elsewhere, for a while....|              |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Hello Panda...
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:09:37 GMT

In article <memo.531497@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Panda Writes:
>
>> Subject: Re: Another newcomer...
>
>> Hi, everyone.  I just came along here, just discovered this group and  
>decided to say hello 
>> since I've been enjoying your postings, which I find  very 
>*encouraging*.  Sometimes I feel
>> like the only bisexual in the world  (despite all evidence to the 
>contrary).  I've been pretty 
>> much living as a  heterosexual for long enough for it to bother me... 
>talking helps.
>> 
>> Namaste, Elizabeth 

Have a *hug* from me too!

[...]
>(It's a Sunday afernoon, I'm sitting at home in Bath writing -- missing 
>the Edinburgh crowd terribly, oh ANY excuse to go back up there... d'you 
>hear me? any excuse!)

Yeah... I wish I could combine the useful with the agreeable... Hey,
wouldn't there be a job in Edinburgh for a graduated Unix systems
programmer/hacker/whatever? I'd move right away! (away from here, that
is ;-)
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/  I survived Dave's party for 7 days and all I got was this lousy .sig!
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orr@newton.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing})
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: roommate info. and salutations
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:23:41 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Grand Valley State University, Allendale MI

Hi all.  My lover needs a place to live in the city limits of Detroit.
He is interested in the East side or other gay frindly, bifriendly places
that are reasonably safe.  His price range is between 300-400 dollars per
person for rent and utilities.

This is my second time posting so I thought while I had the chance that 
I would say hi again.  I am a little confused as to whether I am bi ro
oops or straight.  I still find women attractive but am much more 
oriented towards men.  Also, my mother abused me.  That might be why
I don't do anything with women.  If anyone has any advice for me just
let me know.

If you have info. about a place to live please call me or Leon at
(616) 895-5441 or 791-4762.

Thanks in advance.

Wes J. Orr

 


-- 
Wes Orr, Dude
GVSU
orr@newton.mcs.gvsu.edu           I love Bugs Bunny!
--------------------------------------------------------
From: mnorth@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Natl Bi Org. formed--at last
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:01:23 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University


                           BiNet:
            The Bisexual Network of the USA

For Immediate Release
July 27, 1992

Contacts
Gary Lingen, 612-488-1009
Loraine Hutchins, 202-882-4384

Riding a swelling wave of Bisexual activism, BiNet USA held its
3rd annual meeting in Minneapolis on July 25-26 and transformed
itself from a confederated network into a full-fledged national
organization.  

Attended by 55 representatives from Bisexual organizations around
the country, BiNet established a consensus based governing
structure designed to represent the diversity of its membership
and to be empowering for all its constituents.  Hosted at the
Playwrite Center by The BiConnection, a Twin Cities Bisexual
organization, the results of the two day meeting were
characterized by co-chair Lou Hoffman, "We have taken a giant
step toward our goals of increasing Bi visibility and political
power."

Major strides were also taken in advancing the mission of BiNet
to work for the civil rights and liberation of Bisexual people.
Besides on-going national working groups on HIV/AIDS, and a
Newsletter editorial committee, task forces tackled concerns such
as multiculturalism, transgenderism, anti-sexism education, sex
positive advocacy, resources for Bisexual relationships, support
for the 1993 March on Washington for Gay, Lesbian, and Bi Equal
Rights and Liberation as well as Stonewall 25 and the Gay Games.

BiNet established an inclusive membership policy and structure,
and nominated 18 interim delegates from 9 regions of the country
who will quickly organize regional meetings to elect official
delegates.  Each region, including New England, New York, Mid-
Atlantic, Southeast, Southwest, Ohio Valley, North Central,
California, and Northwest, has two delegates who serve on a
national steering committee which along with 6 national
coordinators will run the national organization between annual
meetings. The National Coordinators include well known Bisexual
leaders such as Lani Kaahumanu and Loraine Hutchins as well as
long time activists, Gary Lingen, ben factory, Debra Kolodny, and
Luigi Ferrer. 

Reflecting concerns for a full participation by traditionally
disenfranchised people, BiNet instituted policies to insure
equitable participication based on race and gender.  The elected
leadership also reflects a balance of geographic, HIV status,
age, and class considerations.

According to veteran activist Michael Beer, "The formation of a
truly representative national organization proves that our
movement is not a flash in the pan --we are here, we are queer,
and we are not going away." 

                             # # # 

BiNet USA is an organization that works for the equal rights and
liberation of Bisexuals.  It is dedicated to eradicating all
forms of oppression inside as well as outside the Bisexual
community.

584 Castro St. #441, San Francisco, CA 94114-2588

Yours Truly,
The Michael man --back from the jungles of SE asia
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:27:33 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <armitage.28@ficus.lmc.edu> armitage@ficus.lmc.edu writes:

>a British program I've seen in the States on Public Television once or twice 
>has a gay male regular -- I believe it's called "Are You Being Served".  
>They play off of it with puns and such.

"Are You Being Served?" is an extremely funny series. It ran for years
and years and years. The humour is distincty "British" or maybe even
"English" in flavour. There are still repeats of it from time to time.
I would not be at all surprised if you can get it on Video in the UK.

Owen.

The views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those of Acorn.
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bay Area Beach Thing
Keywords: peace, love, and happiness
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:46:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul25.034017.9178@koko.csustan.edu> dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis) writes:
+	Well, no.  What you do is up to you, but that really wasn't what I
+had in mind.  As a naturist, I believe rather strongly that nudity should
+NOT be interpreted as an invitation to sex.  Or, have I misinterpeted your
+meaning?

Nudity should not be interpreted as an invitation to sex. But then
just being nude should not prohibit flirting, nor inviting. I.e. by
asserting so strongly that nude != sexual advance, there seems to
develop a puritanical approach to nudity.

I have seen the 'distancing' behavior elsewhere, a group X objects
to behavior Y. In order to 'sanitize' some aspects of behavior Y,
group Z distances themselves form 'objectable' parts of behavior Y.

So to reiterate, nudity does not equal sexual advance, but nudity
should not prohibit such either (ok I'll compromize, nudity in the
'proper' environment shouldn't be a prohibition).
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Parents (was Re: Invisibility)
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:51:19 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:

[story of his coming out to his parents]

>And now I'm really free.

Lovely article, Dave, thanks; that one goes in my save-forever directory.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: kls6@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KELLY LYNN STEPHENS)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Not another one?!
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:45:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hey....I'm here in PA too...In good' ol Bethlehem no less....I've been lurkin
for a long time now and just couldn't sit back any longer without an 'official
de-muffining'

It's good to know there are people (esp) in this area who read the board!
(also good to know people actually admit they're from here;)

I already said a BIG HELLO to Simon!

Guess I should give a brief Bio now....I'm about 5 ft 1 and 1/2 inches
short....Have blonde hair (also short)....Blue eyes ( no they're not colored
contacts!!!)   Just got my MA in government (I refuse to work for them tho)
I'll be 24 this Saturday!  (big deal right?!)

Musikfest.....I looove top do that "chicken dance" thang (ha ha ha)

Well hello to all!!!!!!!         Kel ^|^
                                      U
From: thom@crayfish.uucp (Thom Cleland)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Bi-fun in L.A. and Seattle
Keywords: cheesecloth whip bit of string ladle
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:32:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: No, really.
NNTP-Posting-Host: crayfish.ucsd.edu

hi all, been a while since I've been on due to the tyrannical
thumb of self-imposed academia, but I'm off for a break soon and
am going to L.A.  (Anaheim area, but I should be mobile to other
areas)  and Seattle soon... could the wise among us offer some
suggestions re the local bi-places?  Ironically, I'm from 
Seattle, but haven't really lived there since before college
and wasn't bi then anyway so I have the proverbial absolutely
no clue.  Any ideas from the Community would be most entirely
welcome... ;^)

come to think of it, I don't know of any bi places here in
San Diego either, though I read Chris' post that the only bi-bar
in the county got closed down.  There's no shortage of gay bars
but it's not quite the same, and of course straight bars are
beyond fierce.  

So call me an ignoramus  ;^)   

Thom, who hopes that he won't be an ignoramus any more after
	some most excellent bifolk kindly and nobly reply

thanks awfully




-- 
Thom Cleland     \ /^^/  >Neural systems/network physiology< >Amigaphile<  
(619) 453-7516    \OO/  >Aoinagi Shito-ryu == bend, and the wind passes <
tcleland@ucsd.edu  ++  >B3 f cdv g++ k+(+) m s+ r+ p growl+ purr++ zzz- <
"Wild magic is graven in every rock, every tree, in every blade of grass" 
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9666 soc.motss:32781
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:59:17 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>I tend to think that we are quicker to overlook or forgive a slight from a
>homosexual and see it as something that is sporadic rather than
>characteristic of the community.

My experience is the opposite.  Many bisexual people, including some on
soc.bi have said that they feel more hurt at biphobia from a lesbian or gay
man, because they expect her or him to be on our side.

>I think there is a rift between the bisexual and the homosexual
>community that we try to pretend doesn't exist at times because we know
>that such dissent damages efforts to tear down the heterosexual assumptions.

Again, my experience is that a lot of bisexuals stress rejection from the
lesbian and gay community rather strongly.  A major reason that we have a
bisexual movement at all is because we are rejected by some parts of the
lesbian and gay community.  (Another reason is that we like being in the
company of other bisexuals.)

I would like to see the bisexual movement putting more energy into campaigns
in straight society, rather than concentrating on lesgay society as it
sometimes seems to.  We've started doing this a bit in Edinburgh.

That doesn't mean that I want a separatist policy.  Lesbians, gay men and
bisexuals have a lot that we can work together on.  And I'm not going to
ignore biphobia from lesbians and gay men either.

>You'll excuse me for being shocked at realizing that being
>married didn't make me as good a queer as the rest of you,

So you read two insulting posts, ignore the posts from other married
bisexuals, and take umbrage at all of us?  Your anger may be justified, but
it lacks focus.

A central issue seems to be the meaning of "queer".  To some people it means
an out, campaigning lifestyle.  To others it means anyone non-het, or even
non-straight (i.e. including straights into SM or whatever).  Yet other people
use it to mean lesgay, or even just gay.  So maybe you're queer in one
sense, but not in another?  Words are like that, especially new, trendy ones.

The other central issue is marriage.  Don't forget that there are plenty of
married homosexuals.  I guess they're queer in some ways and not in others,
too.

>Here I am, thinking that I'm in my tribe and I'm safe and welcome and
>everyone is all warm and caring.

Yes, hurt from someone that you thought was a friend hurts much more.  On the
other hand, it helps to be aware that there are very many different people
here, and there's no p[artticular reason why we should agree on *anything*.
And if "warm and caring" means that no-one ever discusses anything
controversial, that no-one asks difficult questions, (as you're doing now)
then I shall either leave or rock the boat.  I want support, not suffocation.

I accept you as bisexual. I accept you as married.  How queer you are is up
to you, in a number of ways.

Dave.

--

                 A Yellow Dragon Stretching Its Paw                     5/15
From: elee52@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bill Gammie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh soc.bi party
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:32:10 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <23998@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
:>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
:>
:>>Isn't it interesting that no one has wondered where Ciaran disappeared
:>>to that very evening?
:>
:>Oooh Ellen, you stirrer <wink> - no, no, nothing to do with me!  I
:>didn't disappear until I was too drunk to stand up ... so the Irishman
:>seems to be taking the scenic route home ...
 
:>Sara

Those of us who do know aren't saying anything (except that I wasn't
involved).

Bill - in gossip columnist mode -


Bill Gammie                                Phone:031 650 5612
Department of Electrical Engineering       email:bill@ee.ed.ac.uk
University of Edinburgh
From: grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Invisibility
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:28:47 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


Well, I don't know about "Not just curious", but I did see a marvellous
T-shirt this weekend on the Castro. It was plain white, with 2
check-boxes: "Boy-crazy" and "Girl-crazy".  I wanted to take it
and add a third line "All of the above".  <grin>
 
Grant, who has decided to resume posting to soc.bi. :-)
From: ausman@ocf.berkeley.edu (James Ausman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: San Fransisco
Date: 24 Jul 1992 21:31:04 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

Hi Everybody!

Well, I have been lurking for a while.  I wanted to post something, but didn't really
have anything to say untill now.  If there are a bunch of you (even just one) coming to 
the Bay Area, I would definitely like to offer my services as a tour guide/host.  If you
need accomidations, I can even offer the floor in my room.  I live in a student co-op in 
Berkeley.  I have been living here three years, long enough to know my way around the
East Bay (Berkeley/Oakland area) and San Francisco.  Even if you do not take me up on the
offer, let me know if you plan to have some sort of get-together, okay?

Jim Ausman
-- 
------------------------------------------------------
"When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint.
 When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
				     -Dom Helder Camara 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: Re: making waves (at work)
Keywords: BGLAD (Silentium = Mors)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:10:48 GMT

In article <keithd.711613428@cluster> keithd@stallion.oz.au (Keith Duddy) writes:


>P.S. maybe this demuffining will assist me in being more out at work, as
>there are a couple of deranged people at work who read (or have read) bi 
>& motss for "amusement".

Hopefully, they'll stick around for enlightenment.  :-)

Seriously, don't dismiss such a person as 'phobic too soon.  Could be more
"interest" than "amusement".

The signal-to-flame ratio is extremely high here, don't forget.

-- 
"TANSTAAFL"     lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
From: sj1s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sherrianne M. Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Hiya!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:45:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ceP6Yx600VIGI0po1I
Organization: Sophomore, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Ex muffin, watch out, here I am!  :D

Felt like bounding exuberantly out of the e-closet (although I'm fairly
out where I am (Pittsburgh, Pa, anybody around that I don't know
already?? )) and saying, Hiya!

It feels great to read (and finally post) here...so many friendly
people...it's such a difference from the RL world.

Anybody interested in discussing things like how it's different to come
out as a bi-person, rather than a monosexual person?  Or would it just
be preaching to the converted?  I was wondering because I took a big
step this past spring at my college (Carnegie Mellon);  I decided to do
my final art project about coming out, and come out myself in the
project.  I collected lots of writings from different people I know, and
almost all of them were bi...It felt scarily wonderful to come out like
that to the whole campus (public project)!  Most of my friends are very
supportive (they're mostly guys), and they find it neat when I point out
the good looking girls to them....  *big grin*

*boing!!!*

be seeing yinz on the net,

sher
sj1s@andrew.cmu.edu
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:50:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul30.000449.17291@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
+In article <36218@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
+
+>I usually point out to my 'hot het stud friends'
+
+You have some?

Well, there are some in my circle who are clearly 'legends in their
own mind'... But the 'stud' I was thinking of is the typical bozo,
who at best only grimices at the mention of men having sex with men.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Bisexuality runs in the family?
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:51:44 GMT

Wow, Dania, I'm sorry about the childhood abuse that happened to you and
your brother.  It might be helpful for you, your ma, and your sibs to go
to a good family therapist (who is bi-friendly, of course!), and talk about
the abuse and how it might/might not be relevant to your sexual orientations.

Make sure the therapist is bi-friendly, bi stuff is new enough that some
might be trying to make you straight or at least monosexual.

Good luck!

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Edinburgh (was Re: Another newcomer...)
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:00:56 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:

>Back to _Fried Green Tomatoes_... Ruth was married at one stage in the
>film. So was Idgie (she got married "off-screen" after Ruth died) so it
>strikes me as strange that you would refer to their relationship as
>"lesbian." It goes back to the old question of does a bisexual person
>only have hetero/homo relationships, depending on the sex of the
>partner, or is there such a thing as a bisexual relationship.

I think it is not unreasonable to refer to a sexual relationship between
two women as a lesbian relationship; the point is it makes the sexual
nature of their relationship explicit.  I would interpret the word as
saying something about their relationship, not about the actual sexual
orientations of the individuals concerned.

So you gonna give us your travelogue Ciaran or what??!!  Good to have
you back ...

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lycra
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:08:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Jul29.020829.1641
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <Bs46Cx.23G@news.larc.nasa.gov>, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.135436.1636@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>
>> Weeell.. Anyone who's interested in this, alt.lycra is currently proposed in
>>alt.config. If there's any interest, pleeeeeeezzzzee show it.. <grin> 
> 
> I am definitely voting against it.  If I start thinking about lycra at work,
> I won't be able to get anything at all done.
> --scott

 *snif*  Alright then.. is it okay if I just email you about it instead ?  :)

-- Porsupah

\      __     /  ---  porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
 \\     /'   //
  \\\__/!|__///  ---           B5fw-cvdvg+(+)k+s++e+p
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Coming Out
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:53:27 GMT
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units

In article <1992Jul27.192126.31435@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pw04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL E. WINTERS) writes:
|I have been doing some reading on bisexuality, and I have noticed a lot of
|explicit connection of New Age spirituality with lesbian, bisexual, and gay
|identity.  An atheist myself, I wonder how many others feel the need of a
|spiritual connection, one that is perhaps denied them by organized religion.

   Well, this bisexual doesn't feel a need for a spiritual connection, so I
can't be certain, but I'd suspect that the New Age (religions?/cults?) are
much more accepting of non-conventional sexualities and thus lgbo members
of those religions have less fear of speaking out (compare this to almost
every Christian cult, where being queer is the worst sin imaginable and it
takes a lot of courage to even admit sympathy, let alone outing oneself.)
                __
  david parsons \/ orc@vpnet.chi.il.us