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From: 900707h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Swarajsingh Horree)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: France-Finland: The case aganst Houiller
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:58:03 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

franck Daphnis <fd10@cornell.edu> writes:

>These comments follow the disappointing performance of the tricolores in
>the game against Finland.
>The problem with the team is not Papin or Cantona (who regularly score
>even when they have few occasions).  The problem is that there is nobody
>in the team capable of consistently creating the offensive plays that
>will put the two forwards  in a position to score.  Yet, such players
>exist in France: Christian Perez, David Ginola, Philippe Vercruysse,
>Reynaldo Pedros, and even Jean Marc Ferreri ( on the bench at Marseilles).
>Alas we know that Houiller will never put more than two players in the
>midfield, because of his commitment to placing two stoppers in defense
>(in front of a libero) and to two defensive wing men (joueurs de
>couloirs, as he calls them).  That is 5 defenders.  If you add the two
>midfields and a keeper, that makes 8 players already, whose primary task
>is to defend.  Now, with Papin and Cantona waiting for the ball to arrive
>to them (a ball they would put in the net if indeed it arrived) this
>leaves you with only one spot for an offensive play maker, which I think
>is not enough.  Yet, Houiller fills this spot with a third forward
>(Gravelaine or Vahirua).  While I think these players are great, they
>should play alongside either Papin or Cantona, but not alongside the both
>of them.  Gravelaine or Vahirua are not players who can assume control of
>a game.  Even if they could, they would need a partner to "combine" and
>create in the midfield.  Look at Milan or even Juventus.  They have at
>least two players capable of giving a good pass to their forwards.  Look
>at Marseilles last year (Pele and Waddle)---I will not even mention the
>Platini-Giresse duo of the 80's.  Perhaps if Houiller decided to
>sacrifice Cantonna, he could free a second spot, but I will agree with
>him that Cantona is too precious a player to sacrifice.
>The solution?  Play with four defenders and forget the Ivic method of
>five defenders.  You can still have your two defensive midfields and two
>offensive playmakers that way.

>>>>>> Despite the fact that there are five defenders, France keeps
>>>>>> on conceding stupid goals. take the goals against Bulgaria for
>>>>>> example.
>>>>>> Anyway, WAKE UP FRANCE, GIVE US BACK THE EXCITEMENT OF 1984.
>>>>>> ALLEZ, LES BLEUS.
>>>>>> From : Swaraj Horree.    

>Houiller never played the game.  He is convinced that in order not to
>loose, you have to play to control your adversary, not to develop your
>own game.  This is against what French soccer has stood for with Hidalgo
>and Platini (the player, not the coach).
>Perhaps it is time to bring somebody who trusts his players and not some
>defensive scheme concocted on the blackboard.  France has the players to
>play good soccer.  It does not have the right system.
>All France fans let me know what you think.
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: World Cup Scores Please....
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:02:55 GMT
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.

I missed the score for this match, does anyone have the score?

15-nov   Canada - Bermuda

-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Plymouth State Women's Soccer - #2 in the nation (Div. 3)  (15-1-2)
 Great job this season girls.  Get U MASS Dartmouth back next year!!!!
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: Re: Topical comments (Gerry's on the drink)
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:07:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In articles <28212@castle.ed.ac.uk> and <1992Nov17.092042.14652@spider.co.uk> 
Gerry (>>) and Scott (>) have yet another tedious slanging match about two
certain Glasgow football clubs, including:

|>.......McLean(on Radio Clyde)
|>remarked that Rangers are in a class of their own in
|>the context of Scottish football, with the exception of Celtic. He
|>stated that the Hoops were the equal if not better than Rangers.
|
|Why not, after all Rangers have only won twice at Tanndice this season, 3-2
|and 4-0 whereas Celtic scrambled to a draw. Rangers have won four
|Championships (Cham-pee-on-ship) in a row and are going for a fifth. Celtic
|at the end of this season won't have won a trophy for four years.....

|
|>....and so I hope it makes a few
|>cynics (some Celtic fans included) think again about slagging the
|>quality of players at Liam Brady's disposal. If Celtic can't do well
|>with their current squad, then they'll never do well.
|
|Disposal is the operative word here and reminds one of Tony ICan'tScoreIno
|and in the same goal scoring mould, Stuart Slater. I think by your last
|sentence there you are resigning yourself to a long time in the wilderness.
|Brady hasn't got much time left, there's a game against Partick Thistle FC
|coming up.
            (etc etc)

Looks to me like Brady is creating another West Ham up there - very nice
football, doesn't win much! (even including ex-WH players). I think most
WH fans over the years would admit they played it a little *too* nice at
times to actually win something (apart from the odd cup run). After all
we all know (or should do) that you don't have to be the best
"footballing side" to win the league or whatever.

I'm not sure why Scott can't accept that Celtic may indeed be a better
"footballing side" (in the way most fans would understand it) despite
Rangers being the much the more effective side (IMHO it seems). And
why Gerry can't accept that you'll always be second best if you don't
actually win. In England the League has been won in recent seasons by
two of not the most attractive sides, Leeds and Arsenal. It is very
rare for the best "footballing side" (which I take to mean most
attractive as well) to win the League (some of the Liverpool sides in
the 80s may be the few exceptions). 

But then again, Scott and co wouldn't be able to keep up their childish
bickering (oooer, now I've done it!) if such sensible views like this
were put forward :-)

gordon (apparently poking my nose into someone elses business, but maybe
I'm not quite the sasanach (sp?) you may think I am.....:-))
From: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Ipswich Town new signings
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:45:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: pinhigh.aus.sun.com
Keywords: Vlado Bozinovski is an Aussie.


Thats right he is an Aussie. He has actually represented as a  Socceroo(Australian International
level) and scored a goal.

He scored a goal in Australia's memorable 4-0 win over Argentina(minus Maradona), in the Gold
Cup, here in Australia in 1988.


Cheers Peter.



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From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: World Cup '94 tickets
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:40:35 GMT
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In <Bxvwnw.Dp5@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ananda@ee.umanitoba.ca writes:

> 	I was wondering about the situation of tickets for the the World Cup.  If 
> any one has any info. I would like to know how I might be able to obtain some.
> 
> 

Hm, perhaps we should compile that FAQ list after all? Seems like there is
always someone inquiring about WC tickets. The answer to your question is:
nothing available yet. USA'94 has announced that they will start selling
tickets in the States in February 1993. Foreign countries will get their share
(roughly 1 million tickets out of 3.5 million) in June 1993.
 
> 
> 	MAN. UTD    RULES!!!!!!!
>        **************************

MARCU$
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From: schoof@dec5.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof)
Subject: Re: GERMAN WORLD CUP TEAM '94
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:12:02 GMT

From article <J19euB5w165w@netlink.cts.com>, by jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold):
> How does Germany look for '94? Third consecutive final? Who figure to be 
> the stars of the team?
> 

If I remember correctly, Germany was in the last three finals (1982 in
Spain lost against Italy 1-3, 1986 in Mexico lost against Argentina 2-3,
1990 in Italy won against Argentina 1-0), so it would be the fourth
consecutive final if they would be in it in 1994. I'm not sure whether
they really can do it, but on the other hand where are the alternatives?

- Jochen

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From: 002564r@ace.acadiau.ca (RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL)
Subject: PERUVIAN SOCCER
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:06:21 GMT

The Peruvian first soccer season is over and although "Universitario de 
Deportes" lost its last game  2-0 against Melgar F.C. (cuando no los 
arequipe~os quemandole la pelicula a los cremas) Universitario is the 
champion of the season


     Equipo          Pj  PG    PE   PP  GF   CC    Dif   PTS

1  "U"               30  19     5   6   53   22   +31     43
2 Cristal            30  15    10   5   47   29   +18     40 
3 Melgar             30  14     9   7   48   28   +20     37
4 Sport Boys         30  12    12   6   52   35   +17     36 
5 Alianza Lima       30  12    11   7   34   22   +12     35
6 Cienciano          30  12     9   9   43   40    +3     33
7 Leon               30  10    10  10   50   40   +10     30
8 U. Minas           30  12     6  12   41   44    -3     30
9 UTC                30  12     5  13   39   52   -13     29
10 Muinicipal        30   8    12  10   41   41     0     28
11 A. Atletico       30  10     7  13   35   51   -16     27
12 Defensor Lima     30   7    12  11   38   44    -6     26
13 S. Agustin        30   7    12  11   34   45   -11     26
14 Mannucci          30   6    12  11   25   33    -8     25
15 CNI               30   7    10  13   31   58   -27     24
16 Yurimaguas        30   2     7  21   30   56   -26     11



Champion: Universitario de deportes
Second place:
the winner of the short season, the teams are:
   -Sporting Cristal  (1 point bonus)
   -Melgar F.C.
   -Alianza Lima
   -Cienciano del Cuzco


lost the category:
      -CNI de Iquitos
      -Deportivo Yurimaguas (equipo lime~o porsiaca)

ascend to first division:
      -Union Huaral
      -Sipesa       

Thank you Alfonso Lino for sending me the information
  
                        Ricardo
                   

       

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From: reds@gribb.hsr.no (Svendsen, Trygve       7-95)
Subject: Re: WC qualifier: Israel-Sweden
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.150533.5923@cs.hut.fi> f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
>From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
>Subject: Re: WC qualifier: Israel-Sweden
>Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:05:33 GMT

>halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen) writes:

>>|> :     Next match in group six are France versus Finland at Parc des Princes
>>|> :     on Saturday (I hope Eurosport will show it) for the people who can't
>>|> 
>>|> It will be on Eurosport. Looking forward for that game.
>>
>>REALLY ? ;-)

>Looks like our Norwegian friends are getting a little bit too cocky after
>a couple of lucky results. Nevertheless, it won't change the fact that
>Norwegian football is as much crap as Finnish football. 

>Janne Kivela" 

>      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
>                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta


Lucky results?????
I can agree that the draw versus England was not deserved, but our
win against one of the socalled best sides in world football, Holland,
was very justified indeed. Norway were simply the better side.
No one can argue with that. 

As for the possibillity of a Norway-Finland match-up, 
Norway would have torn you apart.


PS! 
     Finland had a good game in Paris, although they only played a 
     very mediocre side. Cheers!

TRYGVE SVENDSEN 
NORWAY
From: M.H.Smith@newcastle.ac.uk (Mark Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Leeds signing
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:01:10 GMT
Organization: University of Durham


	I've kept hearing that Leeds have signed a foreign (Norwegian ??)
striker to start after Crimble.

	Anybody know `ought about him ?


	Ta,
		Mark Smith m.h.smith@dur.ac.uk
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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (Chris Waddle)
Subject: Re: Ipswich Town new signings
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:31:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.091708@axion.bt.co.uk> JHiggott@axion.bt.co.uk writes:
>
>Ipswich Town have signed the Yugoslav midfielder Vladimir Bozinoski and 
>the Bulgarian attacker Bentcho Guntchev from Bobby Robson's Sporting
>Lisbon for 
>200,000 quid.
>

Vlado Bozinoski (sp?) is an Aussie. I remember him from the days at
Footscray JUST, a club supported mainly by the ex-Jugoslavia immigrants
in 'Melbun' .

-Waddle


-Waddle
From: visconm@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: CHILE - 2nd Division - midweek results
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:53:11 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mist.cs.orst.edu

Chilean 2nd Division - Round 25 - 18&19 November 92
---------------------------------------------------

Second Division 
---------------
Magallanes 1 - San Felipe 1
Osorno 3 - Lota Schwager 1
Colchagua 1 - Iquique 1
Melipilla 0 - Audax Italiano 0
Iberia 2 - Santa Cruz 1
Union Calera 1 - Atacama 0
Wanderers 1 - Rangers 0
Arica ? - Puerto Montt ?

League Table after 25 rounds
----------------------------

    Team 		G	W	D	L	GF	GA    Points
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Osorno    		25	19	3 	3  	62  	27  	41
    Iquique    		25	15	4 	6  	62 	37   	34
    Melipilla      	25	11	9 	5   	29  	20    	31
    Audax Italiano    	25	10	7 	8  	32  	26	27
    Atacama    		25	11	3 	11 	30 	27    	25
    Magallanes     	25	9 	7 	9  	37  	43    	25
    Puerto Montt      	24	8 	8 	8  	40  	32   	24
    Wanderers   	25	9 	6 	10 	33 	44 	24
    Rangers        	25	7 	9 	9  	35 	35    	23
    Santa Cruz     	25	7 	8 	10 	37 	37 	22
    Colchagua  		25	8 	6 	11 	32 	36 	22
    Union Calera   	25	8 	6 	11 	33 	40    	22
    Arica      		24	8 	5 	11 	33 	36   	21
    Iberia  		25	6 	8 	11 	28 	45 	20
    Lota Schwager  	25	6 	7 	12  	28 	44  	19
    San Felipe  	25	7 	4 	14 	31 	53 	18


Bye,

Marcello.

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Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:16632 soc.culture.polish:3671
From: s1137020@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mariusz Prokopczyk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Cup of Poland - 1/8 finals
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:31:58 GMT
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia

In article <1992Nov12.095123.4378@fuw.edu.pl>
michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>Cup of Poland (1/8 finals), played on November 10th & 11th.
>.......
>Sla,sk Wrocl~aw        - Stal Mielec              5:2 !

Ty nie rob sobie czlowieku zartow! Przeciez to nie 1 kwiecien. :-)
Ot, zuchy! No to pije cala noc na to konto!

Cos mie tylko gryzie ze dzisiejsze "Donosy" znowu mowily o ich
nastepnej klesce w lidze. :-( Czyzby to po opiciu tej wygranej?
Widac nie maja mocnego zdrowia jednak.

I tak szalejacy z radosci kibic. :-)
From: root@skorpion.lt.su (root)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Lithuanian Cup  1/4
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 11:24:57 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: SKORPIONAS Ltd
Reply-To: root@skorpion.lt.su

Lithuanian Cup 1/4
                                            first
Panerys Vilnius - Sirijus Klaipeda     1-1   2-4
Gel. Vilkas Vilnius - Banga Kaunas     1-1   0-7
Ekranas Panevezys - Aras Klaipeda      1-0   +/-
ROMAR Mazekiai - Zalgiris Vilnius      0-3   1-2

Halffinal:
Sirijus - Ekranas
Zalgiris - Banga

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      root@skorpion.lt.su
      Almantas Lauzadis
      Kranto 28, Panevezys 5319, Lithuania
      Skorpionas Ltd.
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From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: "Fact & Fiction about US soccer"-suggestions?
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:15:14 GMT

 Let me say first off, I agree with everything Marcus said. Good article...

In article <1992Nov20.143012.17237@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI
(Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
|>---
|>Off the top of my hat and listed in no particular order:
|>
|>1) "Soccer is a dull game where a goalless draw is the most common result."
|>(Admittedly, 2.5-3.0 goals per game isn't that good but still better than
|> baseball's average of five runs during the duration of a 3-hour-long-game.
|> Besides, FIFA is working on the problem. Incentives such as more points for
|> goals and wins can rectify the problem to some extent. Unsportsmanlike
|> conduct [timewasting,"acting"] is a far more serious problem.)
|>
 I have to say, the last WC was ruined a bit for me by the number of teams
 which played a game VERY conservatively, because the 50-50 odds of
 the tie-breaking  shoot out was better than they could hope for if they
 actually tried to go for the win during regulation. Argentina, in particular,
 comes to mind. I understand that FIFA has made a rule that keepers cannot
 handle a ball which has been "intentionally" passed to them from a team
 mate. But has anything else been done to make sure teams don't play for
 a tie? Are there any plans in the works to elliminate the shoot out?
 I realize TV coverage plays a big part in forcing the games to be played in
 a relatively deterministic amount of time, but that doesn't seem to have
 affected baseball.

 Chris.

|>
|>MARCU$
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From: v087jsfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Danny Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Buffalo Blizzard
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:41:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The Buffalo Blizzard defeated the Detroit Rockers Friday night.
The Detroit goaltender got booted out of the game for arguing
persistently with the ref in the fourth quarter.  They did have
some cameras there, I know it isn't on Buffalo tv, is it on PASS
in Detroit?

GO BLIZZARD!
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From: DeBarger@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
Subject: NCAA Results (Men & Women)
Organization: SLAC
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:07:53 GMT

From the San Francisco Chronicle

In the NCAA Men's Soccer Championship:
Duke 4 - 3 St. Louis
North Carolina State 3 - 2 William and Mary
Dartmouth 4 - 3 Seton Hall
Virginia 4 - 3 Penn. State
Davidson 6 - 5 Coastal Carolina
Indiana 2 - 0 Washington
San Diego 2 - 1 UCLA

Quarterfinal pairings:
Virginia - Dartmouth
Southern Methodist - Duke
North Carolina State - Davidson
San Diego - Indiana

In the NCAA Women's Soccer Championship:

Semi-Finals (played Sat, Nov 21)
North Carolina 3 - 0 Santa Clara
Duke 1 - 0 Hartford

Finals (played Sun, Nov 22)
North Carolina 9 - 1 Duke

North Carolina finishes the season at 25-0-0.
They have extended their winning streak to 58 matches (an NCAA record).
The championship was played at the University of North Carolina.
UNC has never been beaten on their home field, and have only drawn 2 matches
there, the other 123 have been victories.

Cheers,

Scott DeBarger        "And all the science,
SLAC                   I don't understand.
                       It's just my job five days a week"
Stanford, CA                - Elton John

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From: laag@solan.unit.no (Steinar L}g)
Subject: Re: WC qualifier: Israel-Sweden
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:09:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.150533.5923@cs.hut.fi>, f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
 > halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen) writes:
 > 
 > >|> :     Next match in group six are France versus Finland at Parc des Princes
 > >|> :     on Saturday (I hope Eurosport will show it) for the people who can't
 > >|> 
 > >|> It will be on Eurosport. Looking forward for that game.
 > >
 > >REALLY ? ;-)
 > 
 > Looks like our Norwegian friends are getting a little bit too cocky after
 > a couple of lucky results. Nevertheless, it won't change the fact that
 > Norwegian football is as much crap as Finnish football. 
 > 
 > Janne Kivela" 
No need to generalize about Norwegians because of one crap-posting, Janne.
BTW, do you really think Finnish football is crap??
It certainly didn't looked so in the away-game against France on Saturday.
Based on reports, you also were very unlucky against Sweden some weeks ago.
(In my view Sweden is Europe's best national team for the moment.)
I think both Finland and Norway has the potential for getting very good.

Steinar
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