From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Re. Maudoodi and Minority relations: Who is right and wrong?
Date: 12 Apr 1992 14:10:50 -0500
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In article <1992Apr11.020425.26587@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
1: >>	The question in front of Maudoodi was what will be your
   >>	treatment of minorities in `M' if `N' is persecuting the
   >>	Muslims and treating the Muslims as  ASHOOTS & MALEESHS.
   >>

2: >>	His answer was, whatever the treatment of Muslims in `N',
   >>	even if  they are treated as ASHOOTS & MALEESHS, we can not
   >>	and will not sacrifice our "principles" and start
   >>	persecuting the minorities in `M'!!!!!!!!


>Well Maudoodi faced another question. Will you please tell what's his
>answer, taking into consideration his whole philosophy.
>
>Question: Will you accept muslims being treated in N as the others were being
>treated in M?
>If the answer is no: Maudoodi is a hypocryte;
>If the answer is yes: then what arguement do you have on the Israel's current
>treatment of Arab citizens (if you have any)
>>
>Arindam
>

Thank you Arindam. I like your style of asking directly what ever
is on one's mind. Instead of Mr. Arshad Husain's hyperbolic
way of quoting out of context, and making the readers draw
incorrect conclusions by feeding them half-truths.

If you think a little more closely on 1 and 2 above, you will see
all the answers you are looking for.

The only possible ambiguity is the word "principles" (in quotes
in the answer 2 above). By "principles", Maudoodi meant whatever
is obtained through Quran and Sunnah.

Maudoodi very clearly explains the whole thing in "Rassail Massail-I",
"Tarjumanul Quran"-1944, and "Islami riyasat" 1967:

You see we, Muslims are responsible for our own actions. We
are not responsible for other's actions. Everyone is
responsible for one's own actions. Because
we are Muslims, our actions must subscribe to Quran and Sunnah.
Quran and Sunnah explicitly tells us what the "treatment of
minorities" in an Islamic State `M' should be. So, based
on these principles, we the Muslims, will treat our minorities
in `M', the way Quran and Sunnah has told us.

What a non-Muslim state (Israel or any other) does with their
"minorities" is another issue. Just because we fear that
a non-Muslim country `N' will persecute Muslim minority,
is  never going to dissuade us, the Muslims, from treating our 
minorities according to Quran and Sunnah. However, if
'N` does persecute its minorities, then its stature in the
world will decrease and people will come to abhor them
like the regimes of Saddam, Hitler and Changez Khan.
Eventually, their regimes will become only chapters
of history.

We are confident that world will soon realize who is more
just, balanced and safeguarder of human rights. If we are
found to be lacking in justice and fairplay, then obviously,
in time, our ideology will be defeated and we will be left
with no state. If however, other states (Israel, USA or any
other) are found to be lacking in justice and fair play,
then the whole world will soon realize who is more just and
who must be followed. They will follow us and we will ultimately
prevail. In this world and in the hereafter it is always
the good that prevails over evil. Eventually, we will see
evil driven away and good prevailing.

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Appendix C: Maudoodi's answers: THE FULL CONTEXT! Finally, at last!
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Subject: Re: Maudoodi's answers: THE FULL CONTEXT! Finally, at last!
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In article <1992Apr12.144435.1026@cs.nott.ac.uk> cczaziz@mips.nott.ac.uk (Zahid Aziz) writes:
:As promised in my last article, I give below the exact quotation
:relating to Maudoodi's reply from the Munir Report.
:
:The Report says:
:
:---------------------
:
:     ... if Pakistan is entitled to base its constitution on religion,
:     the same right must be conceded to other countries where Muslims
:     are in substantial minorities ... We, therefore, asked the
:     various ulama whether, if non-Muslims in Pakistan were to be
:     subjected to this discrimination in matters of citizenship, the
:     ulama would have any objection to Muslims in other countries
:     being subjected to a similar discrimination. Their reactions to
:     this suggestion are reproduced below:--
:
:     ...
:     ...
:
:     Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi:--
:     Q.-- If we have this form of Islamic Government in Pakistan,
:          will you permit Hindus [in India] to base their Constitution
:          on the basis of their own religion?
:
:     A.--Certainly. I should have no objection even if the Muslims
:         of India are treated in that form of Government as shudras and
:         malishes and Manu's laws are applied to them, depriving them
:         of all share in the Government and the rights of a citizen. In
:         fact such a state of affairs already exists in India.

The above certainly PROVES my contention that Mr. Arshad Husain's
posting (reproduced below) was indeed out of context and only a half 
truth.

See for yourself how people feed half-truths. Not only that 
but when corrected fail to admit their mistake. Here is the 
prime example of the half truth. It is clear that the
following post didn't contain the context which was finally
given after my repeated proddings. See another posting
containing Maudoodi's  views of the "minorities"

In article <1992Apr9.183625.1418@prism.poly.edu: 
	ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:
:
: In his testimony before Munir Commission 1953,
:
:Mr. Maudoodi states that he has no objection if
:
:Government of India starts treating MUSLIM minority as
:
:ASHOOTS & MALEESHS.
:
:The report is published by Govt. of Pakistan.

Isn't the above out of the full context? See the full excrepts above
for the context. It presupposes an Islamic government in pakistan,
and then asks whether Indian government can base their constitution
on their religion.

Now tell me the international norm about interfering in another
country's internal affairs!

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