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From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:40:09 GMT


 machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:

>This is not always true. However, in 90% of the cases it is. If 
>romance does not break out in the first two dates, then you've 
>blown it or she is not interested. Being a "nice guy" doesn't
>mean you let womyn walk all over you. 

this is almost never true for me. i've had dates where we were all
over each other on the first date and then nothing, boredom, bleah on
the second. and my longest relationship (post-divorce) was with a guy
i'd known for a year before we started dating. he was a really good
friend, someone i'd run crying to a couple of times, and someone
about whom i'd said "i wouldn't sleep with him if he were the last man
in austin." so naturally, i fell madly in love with him after a while
and we spent a few months making everyone around us slightly ill
("would you guys get a room already, for chrissakes?!?") before
settling into a relationship that lasted 18 months and took us each
about a year to get over.

so sometimes it just takes time for someone to grow on you.

--
sine | deb
"how on earth did i get so jaded? 
 life's mysteries seem so faded" -- soul asylum
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers)
Subject: Re: Where to Rant? Here.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:01:13 GMT

In <21703@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:

>I'd like to post to alt.peeves. I really would.

>But I can't. 

>It's the name. So . . . wimpy. So . . . tiny.

>When I rant, it is not a "peeve". A "peeve" is worthless small-mouthed 
>bitching usually about something not worth the time of anyone who is not 
>anal-retentive.

Yup, and I hate it when (and this is not a peeve) people say something
that pissess them off and preface it with "Maybe I'm just being
cynical, but ... " 

>Like, "I hate that kind of hairdo." "I hate it when women comedians talk about 
>relationships." "I hate it when people have peeves."

>When I rant, I am a hurricane with a word processor. I am about the Truth, and 
>you'll get nothing less from me.

>What I see on alt.angst is the Truth, too.

Indeed. Tell us your Truths. 

>So until there's an alt.rant, or an alt.gonzo, or alt.shriek, I'll post my 
>illogical ravings here.

>Anyone object?

Not I.  As long as you don't rant at me unless I absolutely deserve it
(which would be never).  

Also, peeve of course calls to mind "peevish" -- e.g. "Oh, don't be so
*peevish*, graham".  Peevish being defined by all sorts of
anal-retentive adjectives such as "querulous, fretful, ill-tempered,
contrary".  Yuck.


Diane
From: chem8w@jane.uh.edu (Councilman, David A.)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: random friday night nastiness
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:56 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <86625@ut-emx.uucp>, llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes...
> 
> orf@ssec.wisc.edu (Leigh Orf) writes:
> 
>i've thought about the situation a lot since it happened, and i think
>i was at fault for getting so angry simply because i had allowed diana
>to set me up as a role model/older sister type and when she started
>having expectations of me based on that role, i got pissed. it's
>normal to have ideas about how people you look up to should behave. i
>think that what i should have done (and still should do) is explain to
>her that yeah, i know she's not going to approve of everything i do
>but that i've got to live my life the way i need to, and that if we
>have situations where what i'm doing makes no sense to her or makes
>her angry, we should talk it out and i can try to help her understand.
>the bottom line will still be that i'm going to live in the way i
>choose, but maybe if i can help her understand why i make the
>decisions i do, we can avoid this kind of fight in the future.
> 

Sine,

Sometimes I want to tell you how lovely your soul is, how your maturity
and insight are of great benefit to all who come in contact with you,
how your eloquent sincerity lends itself as inspiration to us.

Sometimes I want to scream at you to quit being so goddamn'd LUCID!
Lose your grip, for chrissake's!  SEE RED and keep seeing it.  THAT's
the kind of normal human we all know and loathe..

Just thought you'd want to know.

David
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson)
Subject: I Wish I Had No Family
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 06:43:45 GMT

Its so irrating wanting so badly to jump ship but to have a family you care
about too much to do that to. They are the only reason I stay on this 
miserable chunk of rock--its certainly not the joy of living that keeps me
around! They've just gone through too much shit to put them through any more.

Am I cheering you guys up yet?  Smile! 

        ~~~~~
	x   x
>>>---(   o   )----->
         ---
	 
-- 
"For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain,
     and big words Bother me."
	-Winnie-the-Pooh
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:15:18 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

> Alright Hermes, I think I know what you game is. You're playing Socrates, act
> like a gnat to stimulate people to think. Lest you think it will work,
> remember what happened to Socrates. I'm sure we can find enough volunteers
> in this group to administer the hemlock for you.

 Poor Hermes...even passers-by throw stones at her.


> I'm an outsider to this group. I don't believe that life should be handled
> the same way this group does. But that's MY OPINION and I have a right to it
> just like everyone else has a right to his/her own opinion in this group. We'
> both outsiders to this group, but the difference is, I know I'm a guest in th
> group and as a guest I abide my the rules of the hosts. Why do I lurk here?
> Just to understand, no more, no less.

 Though I don't want to be presumptuous and invite all manner of 
angst and "anti-angst", why don't you tell us what your philosophy of 
personal problem-solving is? If I read you right, you're more in favour
of a direct confrontation with insecurity and angst, as opposed to the 
introspection that's the norm around here. Speaking as someone who's 
somewhere in the middle, I agree that this newsgroup can get a little bit 
too insular, and while Hermes isn't exactly the antidote, people like you 
might be.


> /-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------
> | Robert N. Deviasse            |"The things that are not easily attained,   
> | EMAIL: g2devi@cdf.utoronto.ca |    are the things we cherish the most."    
> +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------


marlowe

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From: job@ento.csiro.au (Jo Berry)
Subject: White Valiant?
Summary: strange days indeed
Keywords: muttonbirds
Organization: CSIRO Division of Entomology, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:58:57 GMT

You get to see the Muttonbirds live and you can still be
angstful?? Then again, you DO seem to live in Palmerston North ,
not to mention hang out with some ladies of dubious character so
I guess that explains it. Forget Liz and make a play for Don
McGlashan. If you don't want him pass him on to me. 
P.S. Is Eric white?
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers)
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue phone...
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:23:42 GMT

In <1jpf6oINN94f@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby) writes:

>Personally, I think she has too much time on her hands, Jesus, 
>how long has this one topic been going on?


I agree.  How much energy has been wasted on this ubiquitous paleblue
"Valley Dialect" malignant eggplant problem?  I think what that SLS
(?didn't get the name) says is right - Time To Ignore or she will
never go away.  

Diane
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Poison Heart -- Lyrics
Keywords: Ramones
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:09:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu

POISON HEART
by Dee Dee Ramone and Daniel Rey

No one ever thought this one would survive,
Helpless child, gonna walk a drum beat behind,
Lock you in a dream, never let you go,
Never let you laugh or smile,
not you.

I just want to walk right out of this world,
'cause everybody has a poison heart.
I just want to walk right out of this world,
'cause everybody has a poison heart.

Making friends with a homeless torn up man,
He just kind of smiles, it really shakes me up,
There's danger on every corner but I'm okay,
Walking down the street trying to forget yesterday.

I just want to walk right out of this world,
'cause everybody has a poison heart.
I just want to walk right out of this world,
'cause everybody has a poison heart.

You know that life really takes its toll,
And a poet's gut reaction is to search his very soul,
So much damn confusion before my eyes,
But nothing seems to phase me and this one survives.

I just want to walk right out of this world,
'cause everybody has a poison heart.
I just want to walk right out of this world,
'cause everybody has a poison heart.
From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: the angst.cops ride again?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:36:38 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

In article <86632@ut-emx.uucp> llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>
>speaking as nothing more than one of those poor depressed people, i
>can say that i don't like being told to cheer up, mostly because i
>don't think it would change my life all that much. 

ok, I'd like to just clear something up.  In this post and another post, 
this person sine, who I think is really cool btw, says that I want to 
cheer everybody up.  But it's not like that.  I just meant "cheer up" as
a supportive thing.  It was just my way of saying "I think you're cool" but
now that I've gotten responses and stuff, I'll try to "I think you're cool"
when that's what I mean instead of "cheer up!" which really works in other
groups where happy isn't such a big issue.  so, sorry and I hope all this
junk washes under the bridge!

-Hermes

-- 
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT  Theresa "Hermes" Bock
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TTTTTTTTTTTT    TTTTTTTTTTTT  paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu  
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: My aren't we grouchy
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:33:44 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan22.061712.17942@leland.Stanford.EDU> tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson) writes:

>Just cuz the world is going to end and everyone is going to die and anything
>we do while we're here is just futile and a waste of time/energy doesn't mean
>ya have to be grouchy about it...

Look I've made a point of being grouchy for the last 25 years and I don't 
intend to stop now, it's been a perfectly adequate way of dealing with this 
godforsaken pit of a planet.  OK?

>-- 
>"For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain,
>     and big words Bother me."
>       -Winnie-the-Pooh

Time for a little smackerel of something........

            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: I don't think I know you at all
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:58:48 GMT
Organization: st. alfonso's pancake breakfast

In article <1993Jan23.155326.10234@eff.org> fsquared@eff.org (Fawn Fitter) writes:
>I need to howl. I need to scream and cry and holler "why?" as loud as I can
>and get all this anxiety out of my body so that I'm not boiling over with
>tension for the confrontation I'm about to have this afternoon.
>
>All these little niggling annoyances with M. were causing a low amount of
>background noise on the anxiety-o-meter until yesterday morning, when I 
>discovered inadvertently (no, I was _not_ snooping) that he is carrying ID
>and at least 2 kinds of plastic in a name that is not the one I know him by.
>One of the credit cards is a gold AmEx I've seen him use multiple times. I
>can think of at least a dozen reasons why someone might have ID and plastic
>in another name, but I can't think of any _good_ reasons. I'm freaking out.
>This man, who for all practical intents and purposes is Mr. Wonderful to me,
>is not what he appears to be. But what is he? Who is he? Hell, I don't even
>know if he's told me his real name.
>
>I'm going to ask him about all of this today. I'm starting to realize that
>since I don't know him as well as I thought I did, I have no idea how he's
>going to react. Part of me thinks he's going to just come out with the truth.
>But there's a little paranoid part of my brain that's afraid he's going to
>hurt me. I have no reason to imagine he would. But I don't know anything about
>him anymore.

this is really interesting. i had a friend (who wanted to be more than a 
friend) recently who turned out to have been living a lie. his entire life's
story (as told to me) was a complete falsehood. his education, his current
position, his thesis, his computer abilities, his family, his 'acceptance'
into med school, the whole bit. he even lied about his age. i didn't know 
what to think. the mind boggled. was he so bored with his own life that he 
made one up? i found out, piece by piece, at first inadvertently, and then
by investigation. and then i told him. and he clammed up, and didn't even
try to explain. so i told him to get psychological help, and to leave me 
alone. and he did. he sent back the books and videotapes i lent him, and
left me alone. he's involved with another woman who works around here now. 
i'd like to ask her about him, but i'm a) sure he's 'warned' her about me
and my 'lies', and b) not wanting to involve myself in what looks like a 
pretty happy relationship. so i left it. 

not quite the same thing as the previous experience, but it reminded me 
of it.  and the guy used to post to alt.angst. for all i know, he still 
reads it.

bah.


--
		    -just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      coed naked internet grep! always keep your link up!
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: tick.. tick.. tick..
Organization: OFSA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:31:01 GMT

steve@estel.uindy.edu says:

>We just sat down. We signed. It's over. 
>tick.. tick.. tick..
>I guess I'm still alive.
>tick.. tick.. tick..
>What am I supposed to do now?
>tick.. tick.. tick..
>Would someone shut off that damned clock!

Congratulations Steve! What are you supposed to do now? Hey, time to
start living for yourself I suppose.

Steve (also)
-- 
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      - we are all just prisoners here, of our own device....

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Subject: Re: Horribly formed haiku and inquiry
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:49:02 GMT

In <1993Jan21.161550.6714@desire.wright.edu> w0318@desire.wright.edu writes:

>I'm confused
>Can somebody help to clear some confusion away
>From my fog besoil'd brain?

>Please


>What is alt.angst?
>Why are you all aengstig?
>Is it because life is a confusing mess of disjoint and hellish events?

>Answer me if you'd like....

Shoot.  I'm leaving for Colorado tonight (yes, I know it's PI, and if I had a 
librarian position already, I'd stay at home; I'm going to Denver to interview
at the ALA conference, so get off my back already!  Sheesh.), and my alt.angst
FAQ file isn't ready. Oh, well...

>Ta ta for now

TTFN

>Nova

The superhero?
--
>---<

Tom Dennis                  | "Whom the mad would destroy, they first
dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu  |    make gods."
(217)384-2504               |                   --Bernard Levin
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.slack,co.general
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Anywhere out of the world
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 05:48:56 GMT


If you are driving from Califnordia to Colorado, you might want to do
the following:

  * Drain your radiator and fill it with a 50-50 mixture of water and
    ethylene glycol, commonly known as "anti-freeze" in those parts of
    the country where water freezes during certain parts of the year.

  * Obtain an implement for scraping ice off of your windshield (I kid
    you not!  My sister went to school in Texas, and when it snowed for
    the first time in umpteen years, she whipped out her handy window
    scraper, and none of the Texans knew what it was!)

  * If you get lost driving around the Denver Metro area, remember that 
    the mountains are always WEST.

  * The best 24-hour eateries in the Denver Metro Area are the IHoP's,
    or "International House of Pancakes".

  * Our Museum of Natural History is really cool.  The first thing you
    see when you walk in the front door is a T. Rex skeleton looming over
    the entrance, posed in mid-pounce.  Right now, they have some IMMENSE
    Aztec stone carvings as part of a special show.

And most important of all:

  * Don't move to Colorado; just spend some money here.  We don't want
    people like you moving in and driving the housing prices (further)
    up.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:08:32 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan21.055905.8293@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:

>But of course, every relationship I was in prior to discovering that
>rule fit it, and none of the relationships I've been in since I discovered
>it have fit.

>There's probably another rule in that, but I don't want to find it.

Sounds like another version of the my-checkout-queue-is-always-slowest rule
Also known as the God-hates-me rule


            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:52:43 GMT

paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
[Well, never mind what she writes - it's not relevant to this group anyway]

I'm seriously debating with myself - do I plonk this newless cluebie, or do
I leave her in for the entertainment value?  It's always interesting to see
just _how_long_ somebody can go without getting a clue - although my
experience on the net is that some people can go many, many years without.

(Then they graduate and don't have access to computers or other sharp
instruments)

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@compass.gvc.com
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"No matter what you've lost - be it a home, a love, a friend - like the 'Mary
Ellen Carter' rise again." - Stan Rogers - "Mary Ellen Carter"
From: downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: incredibly stupid shy people
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:38:36 GMT
Organization: spherical domain of death and darkness
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu

In article <86659@ut-emx.uucp> llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>i am so goddamned fucking stupid.

if you say so...

>of course, if it weren't for the fact that every time i run into him
>at work i immediately shut down, mumble something incoherent, then
>ignore him entirely and bury myself in a book, he might not wonder if
>i'm a total flake.
>
>of course, i know what's behind it. i'm convinced that any guy, if he
>thought for an instant that i might be interested in getting to know
>him, would run screaming from the room in horror. so if i want to give
>myself a chance with this guy, it's essential that he think i'm
>utterly uninterested in him. god, so twistedly stupid.

the next time you bump into him in the hall, just immediately reach down,
rip his pants off, and give him a blow job.

that'll make him realize you'd like to get to know him better.

-- 
// jason downs // downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (and others, here 'n' there.) //
// exile at large // 'ryche on // stop albino warthog abuse // amiga user  //
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From: toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (prufrock)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: acc
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:52:28 GMT
Organization: not in the least
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:02:05 EST
From: Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: right place?
Distribution: world

In article <1joav1INNm4f@cuda.add.itg.ti.com>, lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com says:
>
>is this the place you write if your heart has been ripped out, put in a
>vise, squeezed dry & chopped into a million pieces?

Among other things. Welcome home, bubelah.
                                             Therion
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:31:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.200049.17654@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>In article <1jjsb2INN603@shelley.u.washington.edu> paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
>>
>>I don't believe in Hell.  :)
>
>i believe in hell on earth. i've been there.

Ummm...Not meaning to rub it in or anything, but aren't you still there??
Isn't sunny t00son kind of like Infernosphere II?("We don't get any real
damnation done, but we do have a nifty hotel down the road")

----Steve(or am I being far too abstract and referential again?)
-- 
---------
sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 
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From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: being sick
Organization: OFSA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:11:27 GMT

llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) sez:


>it's also made me kinda wistful about not being in a relationship
>right now. it would be really cool to have someone to bring me juice
>and rub my back and give me aspirin and help me sleep. even though
>none of th emen i've ever been with have ever done stuff like that...

Hmmmm, when I am sick I like to be left alone. I have a picture in my
head of an animal crawling into a hidden thicket and licking it's
wounds. It's comforting to me. 

However, when my wife gets sick I lavish such attentions as you
described upon her and enjoy doing it as much as she enjoys receiving
it. 

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