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From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:12:44 CDT
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!

In article <1992Dec20.200609.15692@netcom.com>, nagle@netcom.com (John
Nagle) wrote:
> 
>      It's also worth noting that if you use MacApp, your source code may
> be "contaminated" with Apple code, and you may have legal difficulties 

Can you cite a part of the MacApp license agreement that might lead to
problems?  I don't know of any clause that would contaminate your source
code.  While it may say that you cannot port MacApp to another platform,
you are always free to take your source code and port that.  

If by contaminate you mean that you write code that works with MacApp,
which itself can't be ported, then any Mac application would be
contaminated.

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com


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Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: kemper@informatik.uni-kl.de (Michael Kemper [RHRK])
Subject: Re: TCL Q: enableCmd ??
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:20:01 GMT

In article <1iu6jkINNhc@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>, GRAFF <pier@reze-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de> writes:
|> Hi !
|> 
|> I've got a big problem using TCL: I create a new Menu Item via
|> ResEdit. Then, I add the menu Command after the Name of the Menu,
|> like this:   Show Highscores#4711   (Also in ResEdit :)
|> In my MyDoc - Class I call after the call of inherited::setupMenus()
|> the Bartender:   gBartender->enableCmd(4711);
|> 
|> BUT IT DOESN'T WORK. I tried this call ^^^^^ almoust everywhere, but
|> it didn't worked as well. 
|> 
|> Now, does anybody knows how to enable this (d*mm) menu item?? Where
|> does I have to put the call? And where can I disable it again?
|> 
|> 	Thanks
|> 	
|> 			Jochen
|> 			
|> P.S: English is not my native Language, Stig Hemmer ;)
|> P.P.S: Heard about the new Apple products? And the prices? Wow!

Hi,

normally yoy call EnableCmd and DisableCmd in the UpdateMenus method. This method is called when
the user clicks in the menu bar and handles all menu enabling (in general all menus are disabled
before UpdateMenus is called). The CApplication.UpdateMenus and CDocument.UpdateMenus (sorry I
am a Pascal fan) manage the correct settings for New, Open, Close, Save, etc. (standard items),
but you have to manage your own items by yourself by overriding UpdateMenus in your MyDoc class
(remember to call inherited UpdateMenus).

Hope this helps
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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:14:55 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
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The most onerous part of the MacApp licence agreement is that Apple
reserves the right to say "your MacApp program is not compatible,
fix it with such and such a period or take it off the market" as
part of the agreement. (This is my wording and interpretation, okay?)

In theory this means that Apple could hurt a developer that relied 
on MacApp very badly (and then get sued for acting in bad faith, etc.)

As for the good old "you may not reverse engineer this" clause, it's
a crock. Most software engineers will reverse engineer stuff in their
head as soon as they see it run. And in any case, Borland, Symantec,
and just about everyone else don't have to reverse engineer MacApp. 
They can pay Apple for a copy of the source and then rip it off to
their heart's content -- which is exactly what they appear to have
done.

Tonio Loewald

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand)
Subject: Think C upgrades
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:48:38

Does anyone know if there is an upgrade path from an old copy of 
Think C?  I know they do something with Thin C.

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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:33:34 CDT
Subject: Re: GNU copyleft (was: Summary: I'm faint!)

In article <BzHqzF.D7w@acsu.buffalo.edu>, okeefe@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Paul
O'Keefe) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <keithley-181292171536@kip2-37.apple.com>, keithley@apple.com
(Craig Keithley) writes:
> > 
> > Unfortunately the GNU "copyleft" for GCC (and their varients of lex &
> > yacc), prevent me from using those tools for commercial work.
> 
> The GNU copyleft is much discussed and I don't wish to revive the debate
here,
> but the above might lead some to believe that the commercial use of
> copylefted software will undermind thier property rights.
> 
> Several companies have include GNU stuff which thier products
> and I'm not aware that any have suffered as a result.
> 
> So, I suspect that it's Apple's conservative legal policy and not the
copyleft
> that prevents Craig from using GCC.

Gee, it's been agest since I was last involved with GNU battles,
and frankly speaking I enjoyed staying out from all that legal crap. So
this is maybe the last comment ever I will have about GNU. Originally
the GNU manifesto had some strict rules stating that anything produced
with GNU tools should be shipped with full sources and copyleft. Due to
pressure from the working programmer community field this manifesto was
changed, and nowadays it should not be a legal problem to produce binaries
and not ship the sources. There's something still going on concerning the
libc++ libraries, but someone else might comment on that.

Anyway, nothing hinders the FSF people to suddenly revise their rules, so
I guess that's why legal people in various software companies warns
for use of GNU tools due to possible sudden future problems. This is the 
scary part FSF and legal issues, in my humble opinion. Or in other words,
as Nietzsche said: "Moral judgement and condemnation is the favorite form
of revenge for the spiritually limited on those who are less so....".

or, "Battle not with monsters, lest you become a monster."

I agreee, Nietzsche was a racist :-). And the last cite applies to him
as well.

Cheers,
Kent
PS: Have fun during the holidays breaks!
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From: jason@wc20.writer.yorku.ca (Jason Nolan)
Subject: direct me to MacIntalk
Keywords: Macintalk
Organization: York University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:24:15 GMT

Sorry to bother you all, but I've been looking for information on  
MacIntalk all day.  I've tried Sumex, Umich, and ftp.apple to no avail.
I can find stuff relating to Macintalk, but no information on how to get  
it, or what it does.
Can someone direct me to the source of MacIntalk or information about it.

I can't think of anywhere to look next.

Thanks in advance,
Jason
PS: please e-mail me so as to not waste bandwidth ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dowling@hubcap.clemson.edu (Drew Dowling)
Subject: Re: Which inkjet should I buy?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:32:11 GMT

Tom Davies <tomd@horse.demon.co.uk> writes:

>4.	When will the Stylwriter II be released, and how will it differ from 
>    the current model?

It was announced today.  It is grey scale, and faster, and lookes cool (all 
one piece). It also is almost the same price.  I havn't had a chance to look
closely but we have one and the output is great.
Of the 7 products announce today, a color thermal ink was included.    
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From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)
Subject: Mac 512 Upgrades
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:53:08 GMT

I've a friend that wants to keep her 512 and is able to 
put about $300 into making it perform better.

Any ideas on $300 performance upgrades for the 512?

Bob Carpenter

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: zimmy@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: YES THE IIVXcd WILL DRIVE THE 16" MONITOR!!!!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:40:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.140914.3910@pcnntp.apple.com> Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes:
>In article <93009.121911IO92668@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO92668@MAINE.MAINE.EDU 
>writes:
>> While visiting Columbus, Ohio for Christmas break I stopped at
>> a local mac retail MicroCenter.  While I was there they hooked up
>> the 16" Apple monitor to the internal video support port on their
>> IIVXcd and it ran beautifully (even 16bit color).
>
>I don't know what you really saw at that dealer, but it wasn't a Mac IIvx 
>driving an Apple 16" display from the onboard video.  The IIvx _doesn't_ 
>do this.   You might have seen the video being driven from a NuBus card, 
>or a non-Apple 16" display being driven at a resolution of 640 x 480.  The 
>IIvx video hardware simply cannot generate the video timing needed to 
>drive the Apple 16" display (at a resolution of 832 x 624).  There was a 
>post a few weeks ago from the Apple hardware system designer of the IIvx 
>which confirmed this.
>
>- Dale Adams
>  Apple Computer, Inc.

I thought the IIvx was "advertised" to drive a 16" at 16bits with additional
VRAM added after initial purchase.  You are saying this is not true?!??!

Mike

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From: fredm@media.mit.edu (Fred G Martin)
Subject: help me upgrade a Plus to 4M
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:16:12 GMT

Can anyone tell me if there are special jumper settings a/o trace
cutting needed to upgrade a Mac Plus from 2.5 meg to the full 4 meg of
RAM?  Or do I just remove the two 256K SIMMs and plug in the two 1 meg
ones.

Any assistance would be appreciated.  Thank you!

	- Fred Martin
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From: bach@brahms.udel.edu (Baskaran Subramaniam)
Subject: Is FPU an option for PB160?
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:54:02 GMT

I am considering buying a powerbook.  PB160 fits my wallet and requirements
except for one deficiency - it does not come with an FPU.  Can I add an FPU
to it?  Are there any third party products available to enable PB160
to have an FPU?

I suspect it may not be possible.  Does it mean that I should spend a lot
more money and get a PB180 (or may be a leftover PB170) or a DUO230 (without
a dock it is pretty useless to me) to get a powerbook with an FPU?  This
scenario would be ridiculous.

Please e-mail replies to my account.

Thanks a lot.

Baskaran.
(bach@brahms.udel.edu)

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From: trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble)
Subject: Re: color classic and Cii
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:18:03 GMT

blaine@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Greyland Blaine Mull) writes:

>	Wow, I saw in an UNofficial post that Apple plans on releasing
>the color classic II Feb 10 for $1400 with a 4/80 settup.  My question
>is will I be able to upgrade my two month old classic II ???? even if it
>is a little expensive to me it would be worth it.  Any netters read
>about this in MacWeek or similar publications?
>	I know that the motherboard of the Classic II is capable to run
>32bit color, but the tube and powersupply need to be changed.


 Rumor has it that the machine isn't that great. I wouldn't expect so,
 either. I just can't see that 10-inch monitor being very crisp. 

 Why don't you look into a separate monitor, instead? One that sits next
 to your computer, not in it.

  - Chris

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From: khawkswo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kim D Hawksworth)
Subject: Re: Differences between HP Deskwriter and Deskwriter 550
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:58:38 GMT

In article <yonsook.726772944@nsisrv> yonsook@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Yonsook Enl
oe;NSIUSO) writes:
>What are the differences between the HP Deskwriter and the HP
>Deskwriter 550 ?
>
>I'm thinking of buying one.  Any advice would be appreciated.
>Also, what are good prices for both these printers.
>
>
>
>Yonsook Enloe  <yonsook@killians.gsfc.nasa.gov>

According to the latest catalog from one of the local computer retailers here
in Columbus (Micro Center in case anybody cares), HP currently sells 3
inkjet printers for the Mac.  These are the:

       Deskwriter--black & white printing only. Uses single black cartridge.

       DeskWriter C--black & white & color printing.  Uses a single tri-color
                        (yellow, red, Blue) cartridge.  Black is a composite
                        rather than a true black.

       DeskWriter 550C--Black & white & color printing.  Uses both a black
                           and Color cartridge to integrate black and color
                           printing.


The DeskWriter & DeskWriter C are listed at $349 & $499 respectively after $50
mail in rebate from HP.  The 550C is $729 and the rebate offer does not apply.

Two weeks ago I purchased a 550C from OSU's computer store for $677 (edu.
price).  So far I'm very pleased with it.  Color printing is very impressive.
If you need color and can afford it, get the 550C.

 Kim
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From: pug@apple.com (Russ Emmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PowerBook data/fax modem --> WHEN?
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:44:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan9.220349.17958@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> John Hofbauer,
hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu writes:
>Any word WHEN the modem will be available?

Don't take this as official word from Apple or anything (I'm
only an engineer), but my understanding is the modem for the
210 and 230 will be out in February.  The 160 and 180 will
follow that.

Russ
pug@apple.com
Portable Guy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey)
Subject: Re: Mobius Speedster '040
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:34:18 GMT

hulsej@lclark.edu (Jose Hulse) writes:

>What's all this jazz about an '040 accelerator being offered with/without
>FPU?  I thought that the '040 processor had the FPU built in... am I on
>drugs or what?

>BTW, I guess Mac's Place just dropped its prices CONSIDERABLY on Daystar
>Powercaches (all '030 based).  Someone else posted a price of around $900
>for the 50 Mhz version w/FPU!  In fact I don't even know if the 33 Mhz
>version is still being sold.

>Thanks for any enlightenment!
>-Jose'
>-- 
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>...find the true meaning of Christmas--win money,money, money!?  Aargh!  My
>own dog, gone commercial!" --Charlie Brown, _A Charlie Brown Christmas_.


Motorola sells '040s without the built-in floating point.  These chips are
much cheaper than the ones with floating point.  I believe that they are 
pin compatible.

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From: mauricio		@vaxrio.enet.dec.com (Mauricio P. Henriques)
Subject: Fry's Electronic FAX phone #
Keywords: Fry
Organization: 	Digital Equipment do Brasil - Rio de Janeiro
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:50:13 GMT


	Can someone please get me the Fry Electronics FAX phone number? I have
several brazilian friends (including myself) that are interested in buying the
parts needed to speed-up our Mac IIsi, but we couldn't find them readily
available around here. So we're considering importing them via mail from Fry's.
In order to minimize possible communication problems we'd like to FAX Fry's
with our request, as written language is less prone to accent problems :-)

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From: shiffman@basselope.Eng.Sun.COM (Hank Shiffman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Deskwriter recommendations?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 04:25:22 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: na
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In article <1ia4quINNgce@agate.berkeley.edu> dglo@manray.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Glowacki) writes:
>1) We'll mainly be doing B&W output but color would be nice for those times
>   when my daughter draws something spectacular that we want to send off
>   to the grandparents :-)  Is it silly to buy one of the color models
>   if we're hardly ever going to use the color?

That's kind of a personal decision.  Buy a color printer and use it
just for B&W and you've spent a little extra money.  On the other
hand, if you ever *want* to print in color you can.

>2) In pricing the printers, I've found 500Cs in the $500 range and 550Cs
>   in the $700 range.  Is the 550C *really* $200 better?

The major difference is that the 550C keeps both a black and a color
ink cartridge available at all times.  This means that color documents
can have really good blacks.  The 500C makes black by combining the
three primaries.  That makes it slower and the blacks less than
perfect. 

BTW, the 500C requires you to switch between the two cartridges
manually.  This is relatively quick and completely clean.  And the
printer driver tells you if the document needs color and the black
cartridge is installed.

>3) Can I hook a Deskwriter up to a DOS machine?  According to the salesdweeb
>   I talked to, this can't be done but being a software kinda guy, I'm
>   inclined to think that it's a matter of a cable change.

I kinda doubt it.  The DeskWriter uses some pretty clever software on
the Mac and the printer sides.  It compresses the data going to the
printer to give improved throughput over what a DeskJet can do.
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From: mohr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Gordon Mohr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Rocket in a Duo Dock?
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:59:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <C0qByC.AG7@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>Rajiv A Manglani (rajiv@athena.mit.edu) wrote:
>} Has anyone tried a Radius Rocket in a Duo Dock? What would happen?
>} 
>} Rajiv Manglani
>
>I was just about to post the exact same question! I'm hoping someday
>to have my Duo run at Quadra-like speeds when docked. Is it possible?
>
>--
>Harris Wulfson
>hjwulfson@unix.amherst.edu

Also, wouldn't it be possible to have a accelerator minidock? Current 68040
accelerators, I'm sure, take too much power (unless you're plugged in). But 
isn't one of the first PowerPC CPUs (perhaps the 603?) supposed to be a
low-power version for mobile apps? 

Might Apple drop one of them in a future minidock?

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From: valsta@kuusi.metla.fi (Lauri Valsta)
Subject: Re: Mobius Speedster '040
Organization: Metsantutkimuslaitos
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 19:31:38 GMT

hulsej@lclark.edu (Jose Hulse) writes:

>What's all this jazz about an '040 accelerator being offered with/without
>FPU?  I thought that the '040 processor had the FPU built in... am I on
>drugs or what?

Have you seen a 486 and a 486sx, on the PC side. I guess this is
something similar.

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