From: lb00197@Corlac (David Porco)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: CNE certification question
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:48:53 GMT
Organization: Lockheed

In article <1993Jan26.054540.5173@eskimo.com> ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler) writes:

>reppert@unixpop.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
>: I'm new to this group and I'm sure this has been discussed before, but what
>: is the best and/or least expensive way to get CNE certification?  Any
>: information would be greatly appreciated. 
>: 

>Get someone else to pay for it.

Or share in the CBE costs with a friend(s).  I know someone doing this
and it seems like a pretty good idea.  Just remember that Novell only 
guarantees that the tests will match the course material for a certain
amount of time.

>I'm not kidding.

>The tests alone will set you back $490.  And that's assuming you pass each
>test on the first try.  The study guides aren't cheap.  The computer based
>tutorials are a rip off.  The courses are a complete racket.  Be prepared to
>spend lots of time studying very esoteric commands (LISTDIR?  I've never even
>*used* LISTDIR...), and all the possible add-on products (Netware FTAM?  You
>gotta be freaking kidding me man...OSI is dead!).

>I just failed Advanced System Manager 3.11 today.  For the second time.  I am
>so mad I could chew the kneecaps off the nearest Novell representative.  I
>studied for three days.  I've been working with 3.11 since 1990.  I'm a member
>of the Professional Developers Program.  I've written programs that do
>terrible things to the bindery.  I totally nailed the TCP/IP and NFS tests,
>and I CAN'T PASS THIS GODDAM TEST!  

Whoaaaa, Wait a minute...  Would you try to pass an exam in a class without
going to the class, or at least studying the materials?  I know that the
tests seem to ask some rather obscure questions, but my experience has 
been that the questions were either outlined in the course book or in the
manuals that they supply with the course book.  I agree that taking the 
courses *is* the best way, and you should at least have the course books
to have a fighting chance, but it sounds like your frustration might be
coloring your opinions a tiny bit.
  
The CNE certification is Novell's stamp of approval that you know what your 
talking about.  IMHO they have to have some way to guarantee that you do.  
Maybe asking obscure questions is the best way, maybe not... and I was 
frustrated by it when I was taking the tests also... But, if their 
intention was to make sure I knew my stuff, they certainly did that!  I 
studied for 2-3 weeks, 1-2 hours EVERY night.  And I gotta tell you, when I 
got done I LEARNED a lot.   

That 3.11 Adv. Sys. Man. was a tough one!  I think it was the hardest test
of all of them.

Also bear in mind that the tests will NOT be based on your personal 
experience.  They are based on the course materials because IMHO that 
is what Novell wants you to know.  Thus... you will need the course 
material unless you know EVERYTHING about Netware.
      
>It's the last test I have left before I get my CNE, which makes it that much 
>worse, y'know?

I sincerely hope you get your CNE.

Good Luck.
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