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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WHAT is a Billican (sp?)?
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:40:31 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

It's funny that we're talking about St. Louis "Billikens" here in r.s.b.c.  
St. Louis is a national soccer power, not anywhere a basketball power 
by a long shot.

St. Louis just lost the NCAA soccer national championship game to an 
ACC team (Virginia) (that is, if I remember right).


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: madison@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (jon gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Womens' arenas???
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Date: 23 Jan 1993 14:40:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.cc.utexas.edu
Summary: Mens vs. Womens arenas


At U. Texas bothe the men and the women play in the 16,000 seat Erwin
Center.  In fact in 1986 and 1987 the women outdrew the men.

Jon Gibson
madison@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: BYU/Utah notes (was: BYU Report: BYU vs. Hawaii
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:51:21 -0700

[delete]
>
> The Hawaii Rainbows came to Provo Saturday night. Like the game before
> against the San Diego St. Aztecs, this game pitted a struggling Hawaii
> team (1-5 in the WAC and 5-9 overall) against a BYU team that seems to
> want to play to the level of the competition.

> want to play to the level of the competition.

Is the really the case? Does BYU really play to the level of their
competition? Or do opponents play inspired against BYU?  Why does Utah
have reletively easier times against the same competition?  Is it really
easier for teams to get up for BYU than for Utah?

[delete delete delete]

>                 ...... Reid, Miller, and Trost combined for a total of
> 11 points.
>
>
> BYU will have to step up their play a notch as they head out on the
> road to face the WAC's middle of the road teams - Colorado St. and
> Wyoming.
>

To claim that CSU and Wyoming are middle of the WAC school's is to claim
that the top only contains two schools.  These two teams made a good
argument that perhaps the CSU-Wyoming road swing will be harder for BYU and
Utah that the New Mexico-Utep road swing.  A split for the two Utah teams
in this eastern road swing will look favorable.  Looking for a sweep would
maybe be unrealistic.

arthur
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: Christopher J. Born
Subject: Re: K-Who?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:59:35 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: born@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <1993Jan26.061419.18342@Csli.Stanford.EDU> orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke) writes:
>OK, so how many of you out there thought Kansas deserved to be ranked
>#1?  Huh?  Let's see a show of hands.
>
>Gotcha.

Not me!  I bet a KU fan that during last years NCAA tournament, that the 
Big 8 would do poorly in the tournament, boy did they ever!  Needless to
say, but I will, I won the bet.  I think that the Big 8 is over-rated   
(along with KU).
                                                                        
>that.  A game like this has to make you question their heart -- do
>they have the strength of character it takes to compete hard through a
>tournament the length of the NCAA?  Or, for that matter, through the
>first two rounds? 

This is the 60,000 dollar question.   The problem is KU doesn't play a
tough enough schedule.  The strength of their schedule has increased but
not to the level of say, DUKE or IU.  Even though DUKE has 3 losses,
they aren't panicking yet in Durham.  Each one of those losses have 
been a learning experience for the Dukies, I'm not convinced that the 
Jayhawks have learned from their losses.

My concerns that KU was going to get one of the top 4 seeds in the NCAA  
tournament have been temporarily relieved for now.  Too many times have I
seen them get a high seed then lose.  I say this from seeing Michigan in 
the mid-eighties get a high seed then lose.  (I'm a Michigan alum and    
fan!)  It's been nice to see Fisher and Co.  playing a much tougher      
schedule.  This seems to build character and talent, unlike a soft       
schedule.  BTW, Bobby Knight and Coach K. are masters at this (i.e.      
preparing their teams with a tough regular season then mashing everyone  
in the tournament).                                                      

Christopher J. Born

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: NCSU to win NCAA NC this year!!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:36:34 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 28786@samba.oit.unc.edu, ses@sunSITE.unc.edu (Simon Spero) writes:
>In article <30218@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>>
>>    1993 - It's NCSU again, despite having only 8 players and only
>>	   one or two ACC victories.....
>
>Have you ever noticed how Dean Smith has so many good players that many of 
>them only ever get to play in the last few minutes of blowouts? And that
>Les Robinson has to put on a Jersey himself if State wants to play a practice
>game?
>
>Hands up  everybody who thinks that Dean ought to lend the Wolfpack a few 
>guys just to tide them over. 

Okay, they'll take Montross for starters (no pun intended!!) ;-)  But he
has to go before tonight's game against FSU!

>
>Simon
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From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: EXECUTE DICK VITALE
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:28:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: Shiva.1993Jan26.162816.20955
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA

In article <1993Jan25.154003.7452@gw.wmich.edu> x92lowry2@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
>
>In article <ASH.93Jan18082949@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>> In article <80156@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>> 
>>    >In article <3319@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> durway@devnull.tandem.com (Lindsey Durway) writes:
>>    >>Dick Vitale has got to be the most ANNOYING IDIOT on TV, even
>>    >>worse than Arsenio Hall & Jay Leno put together.  How does he
>>    >>keep his job?  What is the attraction??  Does he do ANYTHING
>>    >>besides babble like Bullwinkle throu                                    
>> 
>> 
>> I HAPPEN TO LOVE DICK VITALE.  THE GUY IS AWESOME WITH A CAPITAL A, BABY!
>SURE YOU TEND TO THINK HE HAS A MENTAL DISORDER.  BUT YOU HAVE TO LOVE HIS
>ENTHUSIASTIC STYLE.  IF ALL ANNOUNCERS WERE MORE LIKE HIM THE RATINGS OF
>SPORTING EVENTS WOULD SKYROCKET.   BRICK-CITY USA , BABY!
>

It's obvious why you like Dick Vitale--you write the way he talks.  PLEASE STOP
SHOUTING!  CHECK YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY!  Thanks.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Master, Donnie Most College of Acting, UIUC)
Subject: Re: Dairy Products of the Big 10 (was: Re: UVA beats Duke @ Cameron!!!!...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:23:03 GMT

timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) writes:

>jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Master, Donnie Most College of Acting, UIUC) writes:
>>oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>>>In article <80790@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
>>>writes:

>>>> I almost hate to ask this, but then:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Which one is the chocolate milk?

>>>Lou Henson's Toupee Glue.

>>>> 2) Which one is the strawberry milk?

>>>Gene Keady's Hair Tonic.


>>But where does Lou's Orange Jacket (tm) fit in?

>Ever see a cow lift its tail???  :)

What a grand idea!  And the South Farms are right across the street from the
Assembly Hall!  Now THERE'S a half-time prank.

And to think I have a book on the shelf above my Mac entitled, "If At All
Possible, Involve A Cow", about college pranks...  With this idea and the
Kentucky thefts from UNC and Duke, I think it's time for a revision... :-)

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Kentucky STOMPS Arch-rival LSU
Date: 27 Jan 1993 05:02:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This used to be a great series back in the 80's, lately it tends to be one-
sided blowouts (One way or another).

Kentucky jumped out to the early start, and seemed to have bigtime legs in
front of the Rupp crowd for the first time since Jan 9th.  Mashburn was
scoring at will early, and Hammink was the only one who could score for LSU.
UK ended up winning by 38. It was pretty much a blur, every UK player seemed
to contribute.  The main players that stand out in my mind were of course 
Mashburn, and Delk off the bench (14pts?  Hope he gets more playing time,
especially on the home-stand).  Prickett was active on the boards, and Dent
showed that new 2-ft from the basket shot he's developed to add to his other
play (Dunk).  UK hit 7-14(?) or so 3-ptrs in the first half, and LSU didn't
have any, so it was all over.


Coach Dale Brown received a technical right after time expired in the first 
half for arguing with the refs (Get real Dale, like ANYBODY's gonna get a good
call at Rupp!)  The bench then received an early technical in the second half,
and Dale was GONE.  He left Rupp Arena with his head hung in shame. ;)

I'm sure we'll pay for this drumming somewhere down the line, but for the time
being it was a sweet victory.  Next is Florida (At Rupp).

Mike
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From: cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar)
Subject: Re: National POTY
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: NSWCDD
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:41:27 GMT

In article <2031@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
(Kelly Dougan) wrote:
> 
> Here's another good way to start a flame war.  I know it's only a little over
> half way thru the season, but who's everyone's pick for national player of the
> year?
> 
> 
> Mr. Kelly Dougan

Calbert Chaney--Indiana  (sorry if I spelled his name wrong-he's great)

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From: dan@engr.LaTech.edu (Daniel Len Schales)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Charleston and UNO (was: Arizona New Orleans)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:27:23 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Distribution: usa
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Micah Samuel Rosen (micah@ravl.rice.edu) wrote:

: Following up on gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell):


: Just out of curiosity, is New Orleans in the same conference as the
: College of Charleston? I heard something to that effect several days
: ago. I think its the TransAmerica conference or something like that.

No, New Orleans is in the SunBelt conference, joining a few years back when the Sunbelt merged with the American South.

I do not know about CofC, but I do know they are not in the Sunbelt.

Danny
From: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: #1 UK/Vandy thoughts
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ky/In PC User's Group - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 


Mike Shroyer writes:
MS>Unfortunatly, (being from Louisville) Louisville is split down the
MS>middle between U of L and UK.  Outside of Louisville it's ALL UK.
MS>Even in Bowling Green where WKU is starting to get good again the
MS>ONLY TV station would rather show UK games than WKU games.

I don't think so, Mike. Even though there is a very active UK Alumni
Association here, U of L fans (even forgetting their alumni) more than
outrank UK fans in numbers. Now I agree about outside of Louisville,
although U of L seems to be recruiting quite well outside of Jefferson
County. I even find it hard to believe that UK didn't go after Tick
Rogers (Mr. Basketball last year), or maybe they did and I didn't hear
about it.<g>

.....Gil

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From: mkain@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Mike Kain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: A team name to consider
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:26:01 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin Engineering Offices

In article <1jkle3INNluf@washington.cs.unc.edu> denelsbe@cs.unc.edu (Kevin Denelsbeck) writes:
>
>	Delaware Blue Hens
>
>
>Kev @ UNC
>

Them's the Delaware FIGHTING Blue Hens..............

University of Delaware '86

GO DELAWARE!
GO INDIANA!  (A good first round NCAA basketball matchup...)


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From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Opinions on Dick Vitale
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:17:20 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <2555@blue.cis.pitt.edu> wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands) writes:
>In article <9103@news.duke.edu> whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
>	I will be saddened by Valvano's death as much as by
>the loss of any other person, but where is it written that
>when a person is nearing his demise, he is promoted to godlike
>status, regardless of what his/her behavior was before this
>demise?  Sure Valvano always TALKED a good game, regarding
>					-Bill S.


Hey, I was just saying I thought he was the best announcer.  Never said
anything about his coaching.  I'm an ACC fan and used to get pissed by
the way Jimmy V's teams used to perform in the Washburn era in the
NCAA's.  His coaching ability was about average for the ACC.  His
recruiting was questionable and his graduation rates low.  He never was
in the elite of college coaches.  I recognize that, but I do think he is
a great announcer, and the Vitale-Valvano tandem the most entertaining
thing in basketball besides the game.  Better than the game if you are
talking "Big Monday".  Providence vs. Villanova.  Moan...

-Will
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From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Subject: Atlantic Coast Drivel (N.C. - F.S.U.)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:57:36 GMT

Oy the woofing!  The woofing is killing me!

Could some of the Carolina "fans" out there please read what they write
before posting it.  It's bad when I'm embarassed reading these articles.

And, for young Robert Burgin, how many points down was Duke versus
Georgia Tech?  My mind is fuzzy.  And that UVa game?  I must have
been drunk while watching it...what was the maximum margin UVa had
in that contest?   Email's fine...  Thanks bunches.


Some points for y'all out there:

a) Charlie Ward is a fine ballplayer.  Excellent.  Gets tired like
everyone else, though.  And that's what happened at the end.  The pass
Lynch stole was poor, but his 3/4 court bullet early in the game was awesome.

b) FSU is extremely quick and they pass the ball very well.  If you trap
them and they break the trap, you pay.

c) FSU is a solid defensive team, with excellent shot blocking ability.

d) FSU is rapidly improving and are, at worst, equal with Wake for 3rd
best team in the conference.  They may finish higher.


Beware FSU, folks.  Don't buy that, "We're just too small and weak inside"
crap Kennedy preaches.  Their big men are quick and Edwards is an
excellent shooter.


Things may look out of control now, but FSU will likely only get better.
Sura appeared to have had his leash pulled a bit too tight, but anyone
who tries a no-look in a close game with under 4 minutes left should
be put on a choker chain (no pun intended).  FSU played a much more
disciplined game versus UNC than they did versus Duke.  If FSU wouldn't
have run out of gas late, they would have held on. (Yes, in this case
the "Duke curse" might have helped, but Carolina was dead early as well -
maybe because of Seton Hall?)


Carolina was lethargic early on.  Trapping a team like FSU when your
team looks like they'd have trouble keeping up with NC State is lethal.
I wouldn't have trapped as much period, but Dean is Dean.


Carolina's got a two game lead in the ACC with some hellish games coming
up.  @Wake is going to be no fun and the next game @Duke will be no
easier.  Carolina's got a two game lead, but the ACC isn't a weak sister
this year, Carolina's got league games on the road, and a two game
cushion isn't much of a margin for error.


One final question for some of the ACC posters out here.   Do you folks
watch this league every year, or only when your team does well?  I said
before the season started that FSU would lose 3 league games, UNC 4,
and Duke 5.  All of those predictions are still possible.  Jeez.

And let me say, if I didn't make it clear, that FSU played really well
for 30 minutes last night.  A fine game.



Curtis Hill
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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: EXECUTE DICK VITALE
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:24:42 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) wrote:
>Suffice it to say, not all of us are enthralled with Dick Vitale's
>mastery of decibels at the expense of data.  

Why can't guys like us get on as Nielsen raters?  I did both Nielsen
and Arbitron during my childhood, but we didn't have cable in the back-
woods of Edmonton, KY.......<anyone out there remember WBKO-TV in Bow-
ling Green?  That was our only *reliable* station>

>If more announcers were like Vitale, there would be a LOT of people in
>this country who would either:
>
>a) turn off the TV sound, and try to find a radio commentator who was
>   doing the game (or watch in silence), or

Gee, you mean like Cawood Ledford?  I actually used to note in my Nielsen
diaries "1:30 pm - UK Basketball - Channel 34 <used radio for commentary>".
I had to explain that one to the Nielsen folks in NY; they didn't under-
stand the notion that television is merely a *visual* medium......8)

>b) find other sports to watch (tennis, anyone?).

I've grown fond of the soccer broadcasts on SIN and the other Spanish-
language channel (of which I can't recall the name off hand); I get to
practice my Spanish, and they're a bit less excitable than Vitale....

--Wes

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From: johnmac@mks.com (John MacTavish)
Subject: Re: WRONG!!!  (was: Re: BEST NCAA COACH! Who? Let's hear it!) 
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:39:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.154339.20624@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> seifert@yesac.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Seifert) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.142229.26881@mks.com> johnmac@mks.com (John MacTavish) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan19.161401.28110@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan19.140621.2065@mks.com> johnmac@mks.com (John MacTavish)  
>>>writes:
>>>
>>>> David: Lets see how little we know about College basketball. The College of 
>>>> Charleston is not in a conf.Therefore any bid they get will be an at large 
>>>> bid whichwill be based only on their record. Get with program David 
>>>
>>>John, you ARE showing how little you know about College Basketball.
>>>
>>>The College of Charleston is in the Trans-America Athletic Conference,
>>>the feared TAAC.  Before flaming ACC posters, please do your homework.
>>>
>>David I think you better do your homework again. THE COUGARS are not in the conf.
>>until next year as far as I know. If any one can verify this please post here.
>>If they are in this year I will eat my crow. I was just mad because the cougars
>>have a very good basketball program as the Citadel can attest to.
>
>According to the College of Charleston sports information director,
>a Mr. Ciusso(pronounced shoe-fo, go figure), The College of Charleston,
>which is actually a university of about 8k students(not much smaller
>than Georgia Tech's 15k students), IS INDEED a member of the Trans-America 
>Athletic Conference THIS year, however, they are not eligable for post
>season play with the conference until next year.  
>
>I have two questions:
>
>Does the TAAC have post season play?
>Does the TAAC champ get an automatic NCAA first round bid?
>
>Signed
>
>Rick "I married a College of Charleston Grad" Seifert
>Georgia Tech, Class of 1982
>
>>
>>John( Go Bills)
>>
>>until next year >--
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>>
My point being that the College of Charleston does not have any way into the 
big show other than an at large bid. I will eat some crow dave but not all of
it 

John(johnmac@mks.com)>>
>
>


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From: atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu (mark edward atchison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Possible B10 Tourney Teamd (WAS: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:16:57 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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In article <C1BzAx.2LB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> devo@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Dan) writes:
>How does this look for final standings:

Great, if tOSU is really tied for third!  ;-)

>17-1 IU, Michigan
>9-9  The middle 7
>1-17 Penn State and Northwestern ( actually they may several out of
>     9-9 category).
>
>How are they going to pick the NCAA lot???

Same way they always do [lately]... top 5 finishers in conference are locks...
champ gets a #1 seed somewhere... either 1 or 2 final teams picked on the basis
of rankings/overall record/big upset wins/how they're finishing/etc.

I'd guess that *if* both Michigan and IU went 17-1 in conference, in fact, 
they'd both be given #1 seeds, seeing as how those records would certainly 
place them both in the top 2 or 3 of the polls...

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