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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Subject: Re: ElfQuest: KotBW -- what was it all about? (Was: Re: Yet another ElfQuest fan.)
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:57:22 GMT

smith@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (doug smith) writes:
>When "Kings of the Broken Wheel" started I was sure that
>the Pini's had lost it.  They had spent soo long on one story that they didn't 
>know how to write another one.  I was thinking about giving up on the book, but
>kept with it.  Looking back I find that I did not like any of those issues.  But
>when "The Hidden Years" came out I changed my mind.  These are good stories, well
>writen with the narative flow that turned me on to the comic in the first place.
>These stories I enjoy a lot, and I am waiting for more.  I wonder why there was
>a big difference in the style of story-telling?  The KotBW story always seemed
>rushed, and the characters did not act consistantly, like Wendy had lost her
>train of thought while drawing.  Anyway, I am glad that the KotBW issues are 
>over, and the Pini's are on to better things.

Well, the KotBW series tells about great events, while THY is more or
less everyday life of the elves. Short story style at least. Personally
I prefer the latter, too. But I also think the greater context, which
the KotBW issues draw, give all of the stories a lot more atmosphere.
KotBW is more or less big politics. Personal feelings, except of course
those of loss by being torn apart, fall behind.

But the one thing about KotBW that really sucked was the unrealistic
time scale. The whole series 'til then stretched over about eleven
years. And then one issue covers a few thousand. And I don't even mean
the ones the wolfriders slept through. I mean the ones in which Cutter
carves notches into the bark of that tree. Have you counted the ones
visible? Cutter has a livemate for 11 years, then is separated from her
and a male Penelope for a few thousand years? Have you any conception
about how long that is? And the only indication of the time past is the
male elves' beards. Nobody of the tribe seems to have died, although a
life in the wilderness ought to be dangerous even without hostile hu-
mans. And no young seem to have been born and survived since the very
beginning, either.

Aside from that I rather liked the time-leap twist. They should have
just shortened the period awake to a realistic scale. The Neolithic de-
velopment of the humans WAS a little boring. Elfin-human encounters in
a medieval age on the other hand ought to be more intriguing.

By the way, there have been hints about a time in the even further fu-
ture, in which the World of Two Moons were to be called "Abode." Does
anybody know more about this? I mean project the human development into
the future for another few thousand years, and they should have arrived
at an industrialized age by then, compared to earthly pace. It also says
"All the elves have left [then], or have they?" Wow! What sort of sto-
ries could you weave out of THAT thread!

Please, someone tell me, if he knows anything.


Shade and Sweet Water!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Asking Nicely (was Re: Hulk)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 05:44:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

It should be fairly clear that anyone who is blatant enough to actually
title a story "Deus Ex Machina" isn't going to be afraid to toss in the
occasional miracle or two if it suits his purposes.  

I did the "Death of Marlo" storyline (which, unfortunately, never resulted
in the promised black arm bands with the letter "M" on them.  But that
would have been a bit much) for a variety of reasons--and I will simply say
that pointlessly depressing the readers was not one of them.  Hang
tight.

Just for laughs:  From Hulk #401--

BETTY:  Bruce!  Did you find Rick?  What happ--?

HULK:  Betty...you better sit down.  There's something that might shock
you.

BETTY:  Bruce, after everything I've been through in my life, nothing
could possibly...

(Rick walks in, helping Marlo in front of him.  Her stare is blank.
Betty takes one look at her and then passes out.)

HULK:  Well, she certainly took that in stride.
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #38. Earth bites it.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:51:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Francis Uy (fau@po.CWRU.Edu) writes:

>>Spoiler warning, just in case:


>>(Incidentally, why are all the cities pointed with "up" in the same
>>direction?)
>
>Obviously suffering from Star Trek syndrome...

The logical explanation is that they *weren't* supposed to all point up; they
were supposed to point *out.*  With the full complement of 480 cities, they
would have linked to form a sphere of cities, with a diamater probably about
half that of the (undestroyed) moon.  With less than 1/4 of the full number of
cities available, there was no way to link into a sphere: the radius of
curvature would exceed the stress parameters of the couplings.  Thus, they
end up forming into a disk.

All the cities point the same way in the disk to make it easy to move from
one to another.  Otherwise, there would be conflicting graviton fields at the
couplings, which would make it difficult to move between cities at best, and
might cause stresses putting the entire network in jeopardy, at worst.
>
>>Page 21: Rokk comforting Kono.  Riiiiiight.  Wouldn't a female Legionnaire
>>be more likely?  (Is that Rokk?)
>
>Interesting that Kono would care, seeing as she
> isn't human and has never been to earth.

It looked more like Rokk was putting his arm around *whomever* was tugging at
his pants leg.  It wouldn't have mattered if it was Kono or Loomis.

Why wouldn't Kono care?  Would you care if Italy suddenly exploded, even though
you haven't been there.  (If you've been to Italy, choose some other nation
which has been an important player in world history and politics, much as Earth
has been in the UP.)  She's been around Mark-1 Legionnaires for long enough
to have heard them retell favorite stories (no, Tom and Mary *don't* have to
show this; she was with Jo for years!), and thereby feel some sort of
attachment for the mystique of the place.

Sheesh.

------------------------------
                             |     There were people everywhere, wearing bits
Jim Drew                     | of leather... clothing not even Hollywood could
jrd@frame.com                | dream up.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Ron," I said.  "That guy has leather ram's
"Innocent, but not naive."   | horns, and a cape."
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Yeah, he's dressed like thet at all these
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | street fairs.  But wait 'til next month:  me and
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Val'll take you to Hallowe'en in the Castro.
                             | Gives a whole new meanin' to 'Trick 'r Treat.'"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Re: Eyes in "Brief Lives"
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:56:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.202449.10811@cheshire.oxy.edu> you write:
> 	As interesting as questions of history in the Dream-Destruction
> flashback are, we seem to be ignoring an important motif in the arc: the
> role of eyes.  Cf.: Delerium on vitreous humor, followed by Despair's
> impromptu optic surgery; the "treatise on optics" cojoined with the
> Corinthian's orang-outan work; the discussion of the eyes of the Endless
> between Del and Dream; etc.  Any thoughts?

The most perceptive comment on "Brief Lives" I've yet heard.  You're
definitely onto something, unless Neil decides it was just to provide
thematic continuity.

I believe it may be tied into the storyteller/audience dynamic he's
already established through Orpheus, the Parliament of Rooks, and
the upcoming Scherazade issue ('eye of the beholder' and all that).

Better than a 'tongue' theme, I guess, unless he's already started
on that with George.

	-dp-

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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Who's the 6th person carrying the coffin?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:46:49 GMT

Although I dont mind Tim Drake being included as Robin...I would object to
not having Dick Grayson as Nightwing as a pall bearer.  Granted they haventy
seen much of each other recently but still he is one of the "oldest" friend
he has in the Meta-Community .
.
s
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From: lsmith@unity.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Convergences: Themes?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:28:21 GMT

In <1992Nov8.205807.18932@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:

I like the convergence of stories. Of course we could converge Gaiman's stories
of stories with other stories of stories...

>If there's any intended relationship between Russian folktales, Marco Polo,
>and DC Biblical mythology, I haven't noticed.

I'd like to hope there isn't a connection. That would be pushing it. I
think the one issues stories provide Gaiman a chance to play with settings
and settings he can't justify putting into longer story arcs.
 
Let me just add that each of the stories is also a trip from the familiar 
into the unfamiliar. Each of the main characters goes from their "reality"
into an alien environment. This is itself a classic story structure.
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From: childers@cse.unl.edu (scott childers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Bloodwynd is..?
Date: 8 Nov 1992 22:32:50 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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Summary: Just a joke.

Bloodwynd is........

CABLE!!!!!!!  :-)
(well, maybe not.)
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Image split from Malibu?
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:35:48 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

I heard on the comics-l mailing list that Image
has split from Malibu. Has anybody else heard
this rumour? Must have been a really stable 
agreement. Malibu has made all the money on the
#1's anyway. I just hope Wetworks still comes
out.

Jed
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From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: BONE...
Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:09:11 GMT

does anyone know anything about the release of
bone #6? have been waiting...and waiting...
anyone with info leading to the 
acquisition of first printings of 1-5 would
be profusely thanked as well.
russ
From: jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: Constantine's Ancestors (was: all sorts of things)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:04:38 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College

It should be noted that the only person to write stories making Constantine a
reincarnated figure (or whatever) is Neil Gaiman. (You _could_ count the
Hellblazer annual by Jamie Delano, but I like to think of it as more
allegorical.)
To the best of my knowledge the only place we've heard of an
ancestor/descendant of JC's besides the two Sandman (not Hellblazer) issues
with Johanna Constantine) is The Book of Magic "starring" JC, where Jason Blood
is his usual vague self. And it was written by.....Neil Gaiman. Wholly his
invention, and no other writer has picked the idea up. Sorry.

shade,
jonathan.
From: wketelh@andy.bgsu.edu (William R. Ketelhut)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: JSA, Am I to lose them again!
Keywords: tears of loss
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:28:23 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.


    Why does DC seem so anxious to see the demise of some of my favorite
characters, or at least another attempt to send them back to oblivion.  For
years, I have been a fan of what I believe to be the greatest super-hero team
ever created.  Stronger than the Legion Of Super-Heroes, less complicated than
the X-men family, more colorful than the Justice League, and more fun than
the Inferior Five.  They are the Justice Society Of America/All-Star Squadron.
It's not every group that can boast of member ship of Superman, Spectre, Dr.
Fate, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Sandman (the original, not the newer,
darker version), etc.  This group of characters represent a era when comics
were fun and uncomplicated with 30 million separate subplots.  I only wish I
was around when the original series came out, but alas I have lived with 
repeats, early 70's crossovers with the JLA, their brief title run of All-Star
Comics, and their updated version of the All-Star Squadron which remains one
of my most cherished titles.  I was upset when it was cancelled, and even more
upset at the lackluster way DC banished what I concider the best team ever to
an inglorious banishment to limbo and the needless destruction of earth-2 in
Crisis.  If people can follow Marvel's X-men series, I don't see how people 
could have been confused over the simplicity of multiple earth's.  I was able
to understand that concept at 10.  Do comics think their readers are that 
stupid.  apartantly so.
    Now I am faced with the with the loss of the JSA so soon after they have
reappeared on the shelves.  I can hope they will have a change of heart, but
where does a fun title like this fall in with the like's of Spawn, Punisher,
Doom Patrol, and the like.  I collect those titles, but the truly fun titles
seem to be gone with the exception of the JLE/JLA and Now's excellent series,
the Green Hornet (another's 50's favorite).   Maybe it's just me, but I am 
starting to get sick of all the violence in the comic industry, esp when so
few of them carry it off well.  If we could only return to those simpler
days.

    
Sincerely,
wketelh@andy.bgsu.edu
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Batman vs Lobo
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:17:22 GMT

>great if done by the right creative team. It will deal with the World's
>Greatest Detective(..the only person smart enough to beat Superman..)
>going up against someone of near-Superman power levels. With all the
                             ^^^^

I beg to differ.  Lobo is not of "near" Superman power, but of or over
S-man's level.  Remember he nearly killed Supes in the Krpton man story,
and he was compleatly drunk.  It even states in Who's Who that he can beat
Superman.  I loved the line in the latest D-Day issue where Supes mentions that
Dommsday is tougher than Lobo, and that Lobo gave him rough time.  Yet /i'd say it was rough.


----SCAVENGER kinda rambleing aimlessly


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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:32:57 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <1992Nov8.014416.24570@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:
>>  Um, if they can open gateways to the Phantom - er, Bgztl Buffer Zone,
>>why not just put Earth's population there (where they will neither 
>>need air, food, nor water) until it's safe, say when they've 
>>assembled more space arks?  As Elmo is prone to say:  "Sloppy writing."
>This still ignores the need to get the population *off* of Earth first!

You can send someone to the Bgztl Buffer Zone without getting them off Earth
first, and they'll still be perfectly safe when the planet explodes.

>No, the fact that the Bierbaums recognized
>and that all you pundits seem to be in denial over is that there is simply
>*no way* that you could evacuate several billion people from one planet to
>others in the time they had and with the materials they had.

However, they _did_ evacuate several billion people.  Just not all of them.
Which was itself a complaint of mine: either they cannot evacuate billions of
people at all, or they have a drastic _over_capability; just happening to have
exactly the capacity to evacuate billions but leave billions behind is
unlikely.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

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     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: wsm26@cas.org (Wayne Mills)
Subject: Re: A question about collecting comics.
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:40:42 GMT

Except in two or three isolated cases, I've not seen any differentiation
in price between the values of newstand vs direct market comics.  For
instance, I think that the Spider-Man #1 2nd print only shipped a reported
5,000 copies to the newstand, and so some price guides/dealers/whoever
decided that the UPC version was therefore more valuable because it
was incredibly scarcer than the direct market version.

Generally I think you'll find the differences universally ignored with
rare exceptions.

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From: tmw4r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Munroe Walsh)
Subject: Re: PETER DAVID vs. DAVID PETERS (was Re: Wild Cards author question)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:03:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.063907.24832@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.232245.28251@twg.com> rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct30.225222.11706@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> 2013bp@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( ) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct19.152209.20183@zip.eecs.umich.edu> maser@engin.umich.edu (Steven Michael Maser) writes:
>>>>Is "Walton Simons" really "Walt Simonson"?  And, if so, why does he
>>>>use the pseudonym?
>>>>
>>>You know, I never thought of that (never really LOOKED), but I suppose
>>>if it was him, he did it because he wanted to be a writer, not a comic
>>>book writer. (I understand Peter David does the same thing)
>>>
>>>Bill
>>
>>
>>Peter David does not always use a pseudonym (if ever) because I recently
>>saw a Star Trek the next generation book by Peter David. Browsing on the
>
>PAD wrote under the pseeudonym David Peters for the PSI-MAN series (lots of fun)
>and the PHOTON series (haven't found them yet >sigh<) .  According to PAD, the 
>editor of the books thought the false name would be good for marketing reasons
>(or some such--he said this last spring).  As I recall, he didn't really 
>understand the reasonings either.
>
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From what I remember about the "But I Digress" where this came up, PAD
said that the reason the publisher used a pseudonym was so that if they
wanted to continue the series and for some reason PAD couldn't or
wouldn't write more stories, they would be able to publish books with
the "same" author.  They wouldn't be able to give another author the
pseudonym Peter David.

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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: Messner-Loebs and Sam Keith to Image
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:32:00 GMT

"Joe Nathan Haralson, II" <jh20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> Messner-Loebs, the name sounds familiar, what has he written other than
>the Maxx.

He writes for DC and at the moment is doing Wonder
Woman. He is also doing an upcoming one-shot called
`The Legacy Of Superman' with Stern, Ordway and
various others. It offers five glimpes into the
lives of various heroes of Metropolis... after the
death of Superman.

Other interesting DC stuff. A new 10 part limited
series for Vertigo call Enigma. Written by Milligan
and pencilled by Fegredo it is the story of the 
world's first existentialist superhero, an
intellectual Elephant Man, and the dark secret he
possesses.

Rachel Pollack will be writing Doom Patrol.

Jed
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Subject: -I KNOW WHERE GOTHAM CITY IS--
From: <IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:24:14 EST
Organization: Penn State University


So, there i am reading the post about most commonly asked questions and i
come across "Where is Gotham City?"
the suggestions were:
I don't know, It's in New Jersey, It's in new York.
Well, I know where it is, and i can prove it.
In Batman: The Cult-Book 4, after Decon Blackfire takes over Gotham, about a
hundred people try to escape.  This made the news, the newscaster says
something like:  A hundred people try to escape to Jersey over the Abraham
Lincoln Bridge.
This Proves it's not in jersey.  There is no bridge named: The Abraham Lincoln
Bridge, but there is a bridge that connects new york to new jersey called
The George Washington Bridge.  That's the most famous president's names used.
anyway, if you cross the George Washington Bridge starting in New jersey,
you'll be in Gotham City.  Look around at night, maybe you'll see ol' Bats
swingin' around.
go ahead, try to prove me wrong!
-Berns
iba100@psuvm.psu.edu
I was recenty going thru the "Most commonly asked questions" post and i came
across the question "Where is Gotham City located?"
The post gave a few suggestions like:
Its in New Jersey, Its in New York,  and so on.
Anyway, I was reading my "Batman: The Cult-Book 4" and there's a part where
after decon blackfire takes over gotham city, about a hundred people try to esc
ape.  Well, this ends up on the news, the newscaster says:  Today a hundred
people try to  storm across the Abraham Lincoln Bridge to try to reach Jersey.
If they're trying to reach jersey, Gotham is definitly not IN Jersey.
And about the Abraham Lincoln Bridge, there is no Abraham linclon Bridge
connecting New York to New Jersey, But there is a George Washington Bridge that
DOES Connect New York and New jersey.
The two most popular presidents names were obviously interchanged to make it
fictional.
Anyway, you will find Gotham City across the George Washington bridge!
Go ahead, try to prove me wrong!
-Berns
iba100@psuvm.psu.edu