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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Dolphins/Cowboys results
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:18:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.222326.11556@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JONAX) writes:
>Oooops...
>
>   Didn't mean to post the entire UPI article...just the final
>score of the game...
>
>   ...Cowboys 27, Dolphins 24....
>
>          Dolphins lose at home by a 24 yard fieldgoal with 10 sec.
>left in the game....
>
>						 JonaX

Hey thanks for the whole post, I sincerely appreciate it. Here on the left coast I
have to wait until Thursday to get my Dolphin Digest so I don't get to hear anything
about the Phins till then. This way I get it a day early and it helps. Sounds like
Danny Boy is in midseason form, interesting this is his first outing and he hits 15
in a row. Just your average HOF quarterback 8~) . I hope the Buff fans were reading
this, especially after such a terrific start to their preseason 8~) although on the
other hand, hopefully they aren't aware of the shakings going on down at ole Biscayne
College, oh excuse me St. Thomas University. I'd rather sneak up on 'em anyhow 8~) .
And thanks again there JonaX.

John T.
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From: UC516349@mizzou1.missouri.edu (The Pseudo Edge)
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:10:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

  Even though the pass protection was good enough for 3 TD passes,
the run blocking stunk. The 2 players they need should be on the OL.
And #31 Mark Green, didn't look THAT good. I've never been impressed
with Mark Green. Maybe it was Darren Lewis #33, that u were confusing
for Green.
  Offense: As it stands now, Harbaugh is just fine.  If all the key
people stay healthy, he should have a great season.
 
Wayne
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:07:02 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

In article <1992Aug18.161507.9478@cs.ucf.edu>
tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
 
>In article <16846D140.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com writes:
>>I personally think the increase in the size and speed of the players is
>>more responsible for the larger number of injuries.  When these larger
>>players hit each other at a higher speed, the impact is just too much
>>for the human frame to bear.
>>
>>Jim McMaster
>
>I think these people do not train very hard when the season is over.
>Being out of shape probably causes more injuries than anything.
>
>Tony (go new england) Travaglini
>tech@cs.ucf.edu
 
I respectfully disagree...that's what makes life interesting.
 
Most teams now have training facilities and players report to training
camp in better shape than ever before.  They have strength and
conditioning coaches, and off-season training programs are almost
mandatory on several teams.
 
I still think the size and speed of the current players is the issue.
In past times, a 250-pound lineman was monstrous, and probably slow.
Now you have 250-pound linebackers, and 280-290 pound linemen are
fairly common.  What's more, these people are much faster than their
lighter predecessors.  Greater mass times greater speed yields much
more energy on impact, and I don't think bones and ligaments were
designed to take such punishment.
 
Jim McMaster
From: gidewall@cps.msu.edu (Kenton C Gidewall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: gidewall@cps.msu.edu (Kenton C Gidewall)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: gidewall@indian.cps.msu.edu

In article <1992Aug17.234720.21170@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>
>   p.s. Was anyone else pissed that Detmer didn't get a shot to play?
>   If they keep that bum Tomcazk over him, I won't be too happy. Too
>   short??? Not a strong enough arm??? Anybody with about 55 NCAA records
>   and the only QB to have his team beat Miami in the past two years
>   must have done something right!!!
>
I thought for sure after Detmer got in once last week and scored that
they would take a longer look at him.  I hope this isn't indicative of
what Holgrem is thinking in terms of quarterbacks.  Fauvre looked good
on Sunday , but he didn't score.  I think Detmer could move the ball AND
score.  I hope he gets the chance to show it.

I also agree about Tomcazk.  I don't like him and I'm a BEAR fan.
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Subject: Re: More Football Pool Problems
From: Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 16:46:19 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <5686.47.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP>, mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey)
says:
>
>>C'mon, folks, it's amazing that he's willing to do this at all.  I, for
>>one, am grateful to him for the service.  The least we can do is make it
>>a little easier on him.
>>Daniel Welch
>      BRAVO!  I just do *NOT* understand what kind of person would bitch
>   when someone is going out of *THEIR* way *FOR ALL* to run this LARGE
>   of a pool.

Answer: Gidi, our resident local pain in the ... thats who. Someone else
        hit it right on the nose when they said he must be bored. He usually
        finds something to bitch about every now and then. Like when I had
        the group reorganized a year or so ago, right oh Giddy one? :-)

        What do you mean you don't remember you favorite uncle? How
        insulting. :)

        To all my old friends from last year, hello! To my old sparing
        partner Robert Carlisle (aka THE MAD DOLPHAN!) ... and all you Bills
        fans ... Go Giants! :)

                                            Nelson "Handley will be the death
                                                    of me yet" Broat


Here's to another fun filled NFL season, cheers.
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Redskins impressions (was Re: Niners tip Deadskins!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:18:48
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
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In-reply-to: mzimmers@netcom.com's message of Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:45:42 GMT

In article <=98m#v+.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
=>- The pass rush looked pretty good, considering that it was facing
=>  the best OL in the league.

Not quite.  The rush in the first half rarely got to Rypien or
Conklin, and the right side of the Redskin line (Jacoby and Sclereth,
I believe) blew the Niners off the ball.  I will agree that the Niner
rush was getting in against the Redskin second and third string line.
Since the team will only keep 7 or 8 linemen (only 1 or 2 of which
played during the second half), I'm not concerned.

As a Redskin fan, I was impressed by the running game (Byner and
Settle especially).  Why do the Redskins have to keep Riggs?  The
announcers seemed to think that Byner, Ervins, and Riggs all had spots
on the team.  The first two certainly do.  I think that they'll end up
keeping Settle and Mitchell and one other person, possibly Riggs or
#39 (I forget his name).

Other impressions: I liked CB Johnny Thomas (#41).  He was covering
much better than Alvoid Mays.  S Alvin Walton (#40) missed several
tackles.  It looks like he may not be around come opening day.  The DL
and LB corps turned in their usual good performance, including an
interception by Andre Collins (what was he doing in the game at that
point, anyway?).

Gibbs showed he plays preseason to make a great regular-season team.
We didn't even *see* 49er QB Bill Musgrave, who may be the
third-stringer this year (if Montana doesn't make it back).  On the
other hand, the Skins played their third-stringer to get him some
practice.

Question to those in the DC area: what's going on with the Skins at
WR?  Clark and Monk are obviously on the team.  Sanders is either on
the team or trade bait.  Desmond Howard will make the team when he
ends his holdout.  Where does that leave Stephen Hobbs, who looked
good?

Any further news on ending Lachey's holdout?  The Skins could sure use
him!

ethan
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Bronco Tidbits
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:02:42 GMT

Just a few thoughts about the Broncos loss to Miami.

1. Don't be worried about the Denver defense.  The starters were incredible
again holding Marino to 1 of 6 with 2 interceptions.  The backups had some
trouble but were mainly killed by lousy field position in the second half.
Still, I'd be very concerned if we lost Smith and Atwater -- the backup DBs
did not look strong.

2. 20 year-old rookie Tommy Maddox had the world's worst start at QB.  He opened
the 2nd half with some reserves in the OL and was pounded several times by
the Miami defense.  He threw 2 interceptions and was sacked several times
in his first few possessions.  However, once he got a little settled in, he
did play fairly well and showed that he could throw the ball well in a
low-pressure situation.  He looks like a rookie, but he looks like a rookie
who could be very good.

3. Shawn Moore looked great again in his very short stint.  He was 3-4 with
a TD pass to B. Johnson (who also looked good).  Moore left the game with
an injured (non-throwing) shoulder.  It is unclear how bad that injury is.

4. Starting OL Ken Lanier left the game with an injured foot.  TV announcers
said it was a broken bone, but Bronco trainers said "I don't know where they
got that information."  It may be broken, but they seem to think it is a
mior pull of tear.

5. None of the RBs looked great.  Look for S. Smith to get a real shot if he
ever gets healthy.  Green & Lewis did not shine.  Reggie Rivers looks like
he could be the next Steve Sewell.  He had (I think) 5 receptions out of
the backfield for 70+ yards.

6. Elway has hit 80% of his passes in 2 games.  What a stud.

On to Dallas...
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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Stupid rules
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:19:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

>>1) The anti-celebration rule. Making NFL stand for the No Fun League
>>
>>jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb)

 >Agreed, except for those cases where the celebration goes beyond
 >enthusiasm and becomes an "in your face" disgrace.
 >
 >stick@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Stick,CommoSigop)

i've always wondered why the NFL even _needed_ an additional rule for this;
wouldn't insulting celebrations qualify as "Unsportsmanlike Conduct"?

ok
dpm
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:53:45 -0400 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Steelers injury

Gary Jones was the starting Strong Safety due to holdouts by Thomas
Everett and Carnell Lake.  Jones blew out his knee and will be out for
the entire season.  Look for the Steelers to become much more aggressive
in signing those guys.

Todd
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Steeler secondary
Organization: Clark University
Date: 23 AUG 92 00:10:02 GMT


I just read that Carnell Lake finally signed a contract. 
How about Everett, the other safety? I'd say he's the more 
valuable of the two. I'm assuming the corners are accounted
for (no pun intended). 

-
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|   "All of life is a blur 
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    of Republicans and meat!"
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:11:56 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug18.175348.8811@talon.ucs.orst.edu>, curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) writes:

|   I also don't like the contiously running clock except for the last 5 minutes.
|   That was just a bullshit rule thrown in, in an attempt to save the 
|   dumbest rule of all time, Instant Replay.  It's completely amazing how
|   much more enjoyable the NFL is to watch now that IR is gone.  No big
|   delay's, no loss of momentum, the whistle blows and that's that.  Plus
|   I have yet to see any of those damn, "The play was ruled dead on the
|   field", but replay found reason to object... 

  The clock was changed to try and keep the game length down. IR is a
great idea, poorly implemented. I believe that each team should get one
IR per half, to call when they feel review is needed. If the coach is
right and the call on the field is reversed, he gets his IR back. This
would avoid a lot of IR, would prevent IR on things like "was it
complete but only a one yard pass anyway?" and still let the coach
question multiple bad calls by the officials.

|   I've seen a couple of calls already in preseason that would have probably
|   been over turned.  One was a sideline completion, the other a fumble call
|   which occured after the player came in contact with the ground.  The

  I believe that's why we had IR, because a playoff game was won or lost
on a pass which TV showed was clearly miscalled by the officials.

  Of course changing to a "one foot inbounds" rule would make calls
easier, and probably lead to higher scoring games.

-- 
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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:46:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug14.181046.24804@lsil.com>, twright@smcl415.smkt writes...
>In article 65913@hydra.gatech.EDU, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>>
>>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.  There are some pretty bad ones out
>>there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
>>on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
>>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>>think the worst is?
> 
>  The most annoying and senseless rule to me is when the referees feel the need 
>to call offsetting unnecessary roughness penalties when there is a fight on
>the field. What a waste of time!! 

I think I'd opt for the 'No End-Zone Celebrations' rule as THE worst, but I'd
put this one as a close second.  Didn't the WAFL have some kind of rule in
which players involved in this kind of bull were ineligible for either a 
certain number of plays, or a couple of minutes (don't remember which)?

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From: bogreen@council.chspr.ubc.ca (Bo Green)
Subject: NFL schedule
Reply-To: bogreen@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: Centre for Health Services & Policy Res.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:35:29 GMT


Could someone tell me where I can get this year's schedule on the net,
or perhaps e-mail me one? I'd really appreciate it.


Bo Green (bo!bo!bo!)                      Internet: bogreen@unixg.ubc.ca
Programmer/Analyst                        Bitnet: USERJIK@UBCMTSG
Centre For Health Services and Policy Research
University of British Columbia, Vancouver CANADA


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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:18:26 GMT

In article <seWElVi00WDKA5rKZP@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Well, after the ABC team making a point of letting everybody know that
>IR has been done away with, I for one can say I am really not looking
>forward to this season's calls. After, what, 4 years? of replay and the
>refs getting lazier and lazier about actually making calls correctly and
>decisively, I have a feeling we're going to be treated to a feast of bad
>calls this season, but I have to admit it'll be fun to have the ol'
>"human error" part of the game back again--of course, now it's gonna be
>a lot easier to start those "they paid off the refs" rumors again...! :D
>
>anybody else have any thoughts on this?
>
>--Vernon.

Nothing is more frustrating than getting screwed by a bad call that would
obviously be overturned by the replay.  I'd rather have the little delay a
few times a game than lose on a bad call.

Just my $0.02.
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:34:43 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
	<1992Aug14.200524.1568@das.harvard.edu>

>
AHA! Well, in that case, I agree about the rule being not-so-great. If
it were a penalty, like intentional grounding, then it would be OK.
>

exactly. that's one reason i don't like it.

--Vernon.
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From: dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn)
Subject: Eagles Sign Andre (Dirty) Waters
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:22:59 GMT
Keywords: 3 to go

Three to go:  Keith Jackson, Eric Allen, Byron Evans.

My prediction: they'll all sign by the 9/6 Saints opener,
with Jackson the last to sign.


Dick V.
From: dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: On Vegas Odds
Summary: Projections
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:59:48 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Keywords: 

     Does anyone know what the current Vegas odds are for Denver
     winning the Superbowl?  For that matter, is there a newsgroup
     that has current listings?

      Thanks - Dan

     *** 1992 - the year for Denver and the Democrats ***

     
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:58:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.144805.18366@verdix.com> drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson) writes:
>
>A couple of points.  The Skins go with almost exclusively man-to-man coverage
>in the preseason to see what the DBs can do.  Most of the frying was going
>on in the 2nd half, against late-round picks and free-agents.  I don't want
>to take anything from Kyles or Lewis, but from what I saw, this was not
>a good test of whether they can get open in the regular season.
>
The Skins first-string defense has not had a point scored against it
in preseason games so far.  All scoring has been done in the second
half against the Skins second-stringers and wannabes.  

schalene
From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:42:48 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

Since we're talking about stupid rules, what do you think of the:
NO CELEBRATING IN THE ENDZONE RULE?

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:10:10 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>>The Skins first-string defense has not had a point scored against it
>>in preseason games so far.  All scoring has been done in the second
>>half against the Skins second-stringers and wannabes.  
>
>Would you like to explain how this sits with the fact the Dolphins
>led the Skins 16-7 at halftime in the first exhibition game?
>
>Thank you.

Well...they cheated!  

Seriously, the first sentence above has been printed in the Washington
Post and may be true: "the first-string defense has not allowed a point."
People have been assuming this means all points were scored in the second
half because that's when the starters are pulled, but the situation may
have been different in that first preseason game.

I was out of country when the Skins played the Dolphins so I can't be sure, 
but perhaps the starters only played the first quarter or even less.  I don't
think they'd been in camp very long when that game was played.  The rookies
report a week earlier.


					me