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From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: A poem on Farrukh Zafar's departure
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:39:55 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

In article <4418@equinox.unr.edu>, zafir@unssun.nevada.edu (Zia Zafir) writes:
> Dear scpians.
> 
> I wrote and read the following poem in the farewell party for Farrukh
> Zafar.  There were actually two farewell parties one was hosted by
> Rukhsana Merchant and other by Ashar Nisar.  These parties were held
> on August 28 and 29 in Bay area.  Many famous scpians were there
> For example, Rukhsana Merchant, Jahangir Hashmi, Rafay Khan, Sharaz
> Khan, Tanwir Syed Mohammad, Farrukh Shah Khan, Ashar Nisar, and yours  
> truly Zia Zafir.
> 
> Now enjoy the poem
> 
> 	alwida' aey dost Farrukh alwida'
> 	teray jaanay ki khabar aah kiya hua
> 
> 	tu jo tapti dhoop maiN ek chhaaoN tha
> 	baadloN ka kaarwaaN thehra hua
> 
> 	is nagar maiN ab bachaa kuchh bhi naheeN
> 	bin teray gulshan bhi ab sehra hua
> 
> 	dost afsurdah haiN net khaamosh hai
> 	gham ka chehra bhi hai ab utra hua
> 
> 	net ke jis pe hukmaraaN *salman* tha
> 	aur *khalid khan* tha chhaaya hua
> 
> 	jis pe tooti bolta tha *saad* ka
> 	harf-e-*minai* say garmaaya hua
> 
> 	jis pe *rukhsana* kay thay kuchh chutkulay
> 	mustanad tha un ka farmaaya hua
> 
> 	kuchh yahaan *mughloN* ki bhi jhankaar thi
> 	juhd-e-*rafay* say jo phir arfa' hua
> 
> 	tu nay aa kar kar diya ek inqilaab
> 	har jaga tera hi phir charchaa hua
> 
> 	teray jumlay, teri baataiN teray post
> 	teri khushboo say hai net mehkaa hua
> 
> 	net par tu chhaa gaya phir misl-e-abr
> 	jo bhi aaya samanay goonga hua
> 
> 	har muqaabil ko hooi tujh say shikast
> 	ghaaliboN par bhi tera ghalba hua
> 
> 	kuchh haseenan-e-chaman ka bhi kaho
> 	haal un ka baad teray kiya hua
> 
> 	husn-e-amreeka ko rota chhoR kar
> 	husn-e-pakistan ko chaltaa hua
> 
> 	jab bhi un ko yaad teri aaey gi
> 	keh uThaiN gi khaab tha dhoka hua
> 
> 	teri in pursoz baatoN say zia
> 	zakhm mera aur bhi gehra hua
> 
> Shukriya,
> 
> Zia Zafir
> 
--------

Though I do not have the bueatiful words of Zia, nor the talents of
Adil Najam (welcome back Adil :-) ), or Salman Azhar, I wish my
friend Farrukh all the best in Pakistan.  There are some people
who come into a person's life and truly touch a soul.  Friendships
such as these, transcend the barriers of distance, and forever remain
engraved in our hearts.  Truly will miss the presence of my friend here.

Rukhsana [missing my friend, FZ.... ] Merchant

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From: mughal@juliet.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: Need Info regarding airfares to Pakistan
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.090643.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>, ghani@opus.et.byu.edu writes...
>Hello, Everybody:
> 
>	I would like some information on current airfare to Pakistan.  I 
>	am planning to go to Lahore during late November/Early December
>	from Salt Lake City.  I have checked with few travel agents and 
>	the price I am getting is about $1400.  Is this the prevailing 
>	rate these days or I can do better.  
	$1400 is a very good rate, the lowest I have heard
is $ 1370 from a travel agency in Claremont California.
This is return airfare from LA-Lahore-LA via NY.

Regards,
Asim Mughal
[Standard  Disclaimer]
>	
>	I would also like to know the names of reliable travel agents.
>	Thanks for your help.
>	
>	M. Usman Ghani
>	ghani@opus.et.byu.edu
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From: aam9n@honi1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Ali Ahmad Minai)
Subject: Re: humm aaa gaa-aye tou garmi-e-baazar daikhna....
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.170901.13088@ncsu.edu> szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi) writes:
>|> |>     (*)	na raha junoon e rukhay vafa veh rasan yeh daar karo gay kya
>|> |>         **** (getting lost here, sorry)
>|> 
>|> 		your intution was right, the whole sheyr goes thus:
>|> 			
>|> 		na raha junoon e rukhay vafa, yeh rasan yeh daar karo gay kya
>|> 		jinhaiN jurm-e-ishq pay naaz tha, woh gunah-gaar chalay gayay
>|> 
>|> 		[this is a sheyr that I have always identified with:-)]
> 
>Pardon me, but as I remember it the shayr goes like this:
>
>	Na raha wo rang-e-rukhe wafaa, yeh rassan yeh daar karo gay kiya
>	jinhay jurm-e-wafaa per naaz thaa, woh  gunahgar chalay  gayay
>

No, the original posting had it right. In any case, "jinhay jurm-e wafaa
per naaz thaa..." is out of meter.

Ali Minai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture,arabic,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african-american,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.asean
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: new business
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: World
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 06:22:56 GMT

From: Zafar Minhas (Management And Resource Evaluations)
To: Anyone in the Midwest Area who needs the following computer services
Re: Computer Consultant Group

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: MORE Criket Gossip.....
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:13:37 GMT

>	   It wasn't enough to read a the recent discussions between
>self-proclaimed relgious scholars, we had to see two women, yes women,
>talking about cricket on SCP. Well, cricket is just fine, but
>discussing balls is a bit too much. 

Why should women not discuss balls methinks you play around with words
and use to many innuendos.

>
>	   Having said that, I must agree with Ms. F. Khurshid (who is
>she?) that the English bowlers also tamper balls. In fact, all bowlers
>do doctor balls in some way or the other [no pun intended]. 
>

And how quickly you agree with all the femails on the net !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>>> headlines:
>>> FINGERED! We nail the Pakistani Cricket Cheat.
>
>>It's obvious...the ICC know the truth, but the bigot's there are bad loser's
>>and want to prolong the bad feeling for the Pakistani team. 
>
>	   There is a grain of truth in this. Cricket was introduced to
>the colonies by the British, and there is considerable ego involved.
>
>dsqa
>

So was Tea and noe we drink more tea than the british

sahibzada rafay khan []

>-- 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Any info on Punjab's Flood ??????????
Summary: Flood
Keywords: Flood
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:21:25 GMT



 Assalam u Alaikum,
		   we the students of Mississippi State University are very 
 concerened about the recent floods in Punjab. Any information on where has
 it hit already and where is it headed would be greatly appreciated by us all.
 Thanx alot in advance.

Mubashir.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: The Real Problem (Was Is Islam equal to Intolearnce )
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:12:08 GMT

In article <dogar.715619263@opal5> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
>gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>>>drugs, marriage laws, prostitution, gambling, public nudity, pornography, ...
>
>>Yep. All of the above are not relegated to personal self. They 
>>affect the whole community.  I don't need to go into the details 
>>of how they do, do I ? 
>
>Every action of the individual affects the whole.
>Perhaps if you would explain why you feel the above mentioned
>activities affect the community, and contrast that with those
>activities which you feel Islam unnecissarily intrudes into, I
>will better understand your position. [Those actions which you
>feel do not affect the whole community vs. those mentioned above.]
>

How do drugs/prostitution/gambling etc affect society ?  I think
there are whole volumes written on these subjects and how victims
of these crimes victimize other members of the society through 
force/seduction/etc. and how these activities can destroy not only
the person himself but all those associated (dependents etc.) with
him/her. I am not going to go into details of how it is done since 
it seems to be too naive a question. I am sure every one of us 
must have had/heard bad experiences regarding them.  (I won't put
marriage laws in the same category though). 

Now what do I consider things relegated to oneself ?  Its things 
like belief in god (zero, one or more), idol worship, reading 
a scripture that the majority of the society does not read or 
what one eats (this is with reference to pork prohibition in 
Islamic countries and beef in India), when one sleeps or plays 
or prays, what one wears (as long as it is not too arousing to 
the general community, I don't see why anyone should bother), 
opinion of persons regarded as prophets by others (i.e., 
blasphemy) etc.

If I express independence in these matters, I fail to see how 
it could possibly affect anyone else. 

regards,
--   
   ______ ______ ______ ______ __  |\/\/\/|
    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
  /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _) 
_____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|  
E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:03:09 GMT

This reminds me of the time when I was reading the viewpoints on  Adam  and
Eve in Islamic debates.  As far as I can remember, not everyone agrees that
Adam and Eve were in the same place as the heaven the believers are  headed
for.  There is even one opinion which maintains that the "Garden  of  Eden" 
was here on earth.  Anybody with more information?

>>If so, how does
>>one tell the gender of a soul? One can not exactly examine  the  nether
>>regions of a soul, or can one?
>
>       What manifests itself as a tangible aspect of our physical
>body is not necessarily manifested as such in a different environment.
>
>dsqa
>
>--
>"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
>of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
>easy in the insatiable abyss called grave."
>--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu

Kamal [Will you be the same if I saw you in heaven?] Mubarak.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Need Info regarding airfares to Pakistan
From: ghani@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:06:43 MST
Reply-To: ghani@opus.et.byu.edu
Distribution: usa,local
Nntp-Posting-User: ghani

Hello, Everybody:

	I would like some information on current airfare to Pakistan.  I 
	am planning to go to Lahore during late November/Early December
	from Salt Lake City.  I have checked with few travel agents and 
	the price I am getting is about $1400.  Is this the prevailing 
	rate these days or I can do better.  
	
	I would also like to know the names of reliable travel agents.
	Thanks for your help.
	
	M. Usman Ghani
	ghani@opus.et.byu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: Email Karachi: Progress: Phone Installed: Testing Begins
Reply-To: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:02:47 GMT




A phone number was tentatively issued to us with 455-9448 being said to
be the number, BUT this is not yet live.  Give it a few days and I will
post details Inshallah.

Imran Anwar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ravid@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Ravi Dronamraju )
Subject: Re: Is Hinduism equal to Intolearnce and Fascism ?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:03:02 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Aug29.172756.20470@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, by mg819306@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod):
> In article <1992Aug28.095745.1654@bernina.ethz.ch> nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:
>>Sridhar Vasudevan <svasudev@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> in forms me that
>>there is no evidence that Hindu priests supported Hitler. In view of the
>>fact that I have only heard of this verbally through some sources, I would
>>like to withdraw this statement from my previous article.
>>
>>
>>My article was infact a rhetorical statement designed to confront
>>the originator of the thread of articles with a reversal of his
>>own theme. The hope was that he would see the folly of generalising
>>from a few events to the whole of Islam and all Muslims.
>>
>>My respect for the large body Hindus remains unaltered.
>>
>>-Nadeem Malik
> 
> Whom did you hear this verbally from, Hitler? You also said that
> Hinduism has the worst caste system and deplorable practises like
> Sati. What is actually true is that in the past Hindus did 
> practise such inhuman customs, but I am sure this was not a part
> Hinduism.  We know that religion can be misused so we do not
> believe in religion controlling the state.  You said that
> you saw on tv that some high caste hindus killed some harijans
> that could be true, but those people will be punished.  India
> has been trying to make up for its mistreatment to the Harijans
> there is reservation for them in every field.  Just recently
> under V P Singh, the reservation issue went too far and
> there was a spate of suicides by students who were not Harijans.
> Now we have a Vice President who is a Harijan. Every country has
What i dislike about the above part the article, is the posture it takes. 
it does not attempt to understand that a person intends to be forgiven 
for his misunderstandings. Perhaps one should realise that people 
who heard a lot of bad things (and only bad things)
tend to view indian people and hindus in that manner. 

> had a unsavioury past, but most have tried to improve with time.
> None of these so called Islamic states are even trying.
what do u know about what the islamic staes are doing?? 
how can u be so sure that  -ve aspects of their religion and society are not 
being debated??? 


-Ravi

> 

> OK no generalizing, please name an Islamic state which is fair to its 
> minority.
> 
> Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Re: sex in hereafter (was Re: the terminator part n : )
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:51:57 GMT

Gopal couldn't resist it.  He just couldn't:

>From what I read, MEN who go to heaven will be serviced by young VIRGINs.
>(Seems like someone was letting their sexual fantasies run awild. No
>mention is made if WOMEN are serviced by young STUDs). So it does
>seem that sexual identity is maintained after all in the hereafter.
>Since most muslims are already guilty of interpreting Quran literally,
>you might as well add this too to your literal interpretations.
>
>who said Hell was Hot ?! Heaven's real HOT ;-)
>                   (if u r a man)
>
>regards,
>--
>   ______ ______ ______ ______ __  |\/\/\/|
>    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS
>   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS
>  /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _)
>_____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|
>E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.

What a perfect opportunity for Gopal.  Here is an apparently ignorant Muslim
who seems not to know what his religion means to him.  Enter Gopal, the  SCP
authority on Islam.  Not only must he teach me what my religion must mean to
me, he must also prove that it is sexist.  Yes, it must be proven for all to
see on the net that Islam is sexist.

But you see my dear Gopal, even I have a copy of the  Qura'n  with  me.  And
I will quote for you:

Surah Ad-Dukhan (44)

51.  As to the righteous (they will be) in a position of security

[Notice no mention of male or female]

52. Among the gardens and springs
53. Dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other
54. So; and We shall wed them to Hurs with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes.
55. There can they call for every kind of fruit in peace and security;
56. Nor will they there taste death, except the  first  death; and  He  will
    preserve them from the chastisement of the Blazing Fire.

This is taken from Yusuf Ali's translation.  In his footnotes he writes:

"The Hurs, like the scene, the dress, the  outlook, and  the  fruit, will be
beautiful.  There will be life, but free from  all  earthly  grossness.  The
women as well as the men of this life  will  attain  to  this  indescribable
bliss.

"Hur implies the following ideas: (1) purity, (2) beauty, especially  of the
eyes.... (3) truth and goodwill."

Gopal, please read the Qura'n before you grace us  with  your  authoritative
views on Qura'nic exegesis again.

Kamal [Jamal's brother] Mubarak.
--
To the pure all things are pure.
Arabian Nights.
--
From: tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: "Immaculate Conception" :  The Movie
Keywords: pakistan films india karachi
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:31:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

I went to the London movie premier of "Immaculate Conception". Quite an
interesting film, I must say. Set in Karachi, during the late 80's, the
story is focussed on a white couples' quest to have a baby. For this
purpose they visit a Hijra Shrine, and become embroiled in the other
side of pakistani culture. The story is interwined with actual newsreel
of events that happened in Pakistan, and the islamic world in general. 
Memories of the publication of The Satanic Verses, Khomeni's fatwa, the
assassination of General Zia-ul-Haq, the pakistani elections that followed,
the election of Benazir Bhutto - were all brought back sharply into focus.
I realized that these events, which are almost forgotten, only happened 
recently and were indeed of major importance. I also realized that even 
though these events appeared remote in terms of distance, they actually 
happened very close at hand.

The film also evoked a good feel for the karachi/pakistani scene, by showing
how the couple interacted with their pakistani friends and the cultural
scene in general. Zia Mohyeddin gave a multi-dimensional performance.

What added to the surreal atmosphere of the film was the fact that I was
sitting amongst members of the cast. It was a case of "Who's Who" of the
British/Pakistani Movie-Set.

Although a bit weird, I recommend that you go see this film.

tariq
--

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 Computer Science Department     JANET:     tariqh@uk.ac.qmw.dcs
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From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:15:41 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep5.004302.15490@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD) writes:
>Some questions.  Do we really maintain our sexual identity after death?
>Do  we really remain male and female in heaven or hell? 

	   If you believe in Quran or other revealed books, the answer is
yes. Adam and Eve definitely had genders in heaven, before they came
to this earth. 

>If so, how does 
>one tell the gender of a soul? One can not exactly examine  the  nether
>regions of a soul, or can one? 

	   What manifests itself as a tangible aspect of our physical
body is not necessarily manifested as such in a different environment.

dsqa

-- 
"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan