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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 18:52:42 EST
From: <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dark Horse: Terminator and Godzilla

Terminator vs Robocop #3 came out last week (in case you might have missed
it on the comic rack, the cover has robocop blowing away a kid
terminator and terminator dog).I've thought that this story has o.k. so
far, but not great Frank Miller stuff.But, this issue was pretty awesome
with a few surprises and a 'I can't wait for the next issue' ending.
Predator vs Magnus Robot Fighter #2 is shipping november 17.WAIT!
Don't go off runnin to the comic shop yet!Number 1 has not come out yet!
and I don't know when it will.I don't know about Thing though.
Check six
Paul
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:21:27 EST
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: *wetworks* -?

In article <1992Nov7.000205.14031@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott
McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:
>
>In Wizard #16, Wetworks is listed as the #1 sellign comic of ... OCTOBER?
>
>Are these people crazy or what? WW hasn't been released!!!
>
>Am I missing something?

Yes and no.  You're missing a delete key on your computer for the extra
linefeeds above, and they're talking about sales to comics stores, which
buy a couple of months ahead so you can buy the comics from, them.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: a0v6282@zeus.tamu.edu (VELASQUEZ, ARTHUR)
Subject: Re: HELLBLAZER dream artist
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:09:00 GMT

     About Tim Bradstreet:

     In article <1992Nov6.212329.19626@midway.uchicago.edu>,
lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes...

>In article <Bx73r4.GpI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>(Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

      [Lotsa included text deleted]
>>
>>Okay, how about Hawkworld?  Didn't he do something for Hawkworld?
> 
>He previously did Dragon Chiang with Tim Truman for Eclipse, which is
>a bargain these days.  And he's inking Truman on the rest of Flight's
>Ed (yeah! Truman back on the inside!), which is turning out to be
>helluva ride.

     After posting my first message in this thread, I noticed in a copy
of _Advance Comics_ that Tim Bradstreet will be inking an issue of
_Hawkworld_ coming out in January.  Tim Truman also writes that book
currently.

     But thanks for all the information on Bradstreet in any event.
Now, if I can get hold of a copy of Hard Looks... :-)

#     Art Velasquez                         a0v6282 @ zeus.tamu.edu    #
#     Texas A&M University          (Just my thoughts, that's all.)    #
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: Hulk
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:03:31 GMT

In article <4pp18_l@rpi.edu>, chinm@aix.rpi.edu (Mang S. Chin -- Kid
Klaxon) wrote:
> 
> In article <Af07kYW00WBLQ7OUs9@andrew.cmu.edu> "Joe Nathan Haralson, II" <jh20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >>In article <1992Nov10.025442.22472@midway.uchicago.edu>,
> >
> >Cyclops has an energy beam and energy does not exert force.  So cyclops
> >should experience about as much kickback or recoil as you would when you
> >turn on a flashlight.
> >
> >And yes I know this does not belong under this heading but this is where
> >I found it.
> Nope, that can't be true.  Now how can energy demolish buildings and
> robots?  Well, one way is through vibrations...nope, that's not it
> because color is emitted so that's the wrong type of energy.  Cyclops
> doesn't exert heat either because, well, he destroys things, not burns
> them.  Now I don't recall an instance where this happened, but I'm
> sure it has.  Say a sentinel or the Juggernaut is approaching Cyclops.
> He'll blast at them, but what happens?  His opponent is pushed BACK
> This shows there's some kind of force.  Cyclop's eyebeams have always
> been depicted as concussive.  That means the force has to go somewhere.
> Just chock it up to more comic book physics.

Yes, Cyclops definitely shoots concussive beams, but that doesn't mean he
has
to suffer recoil.  His eyes are gateways to another dimension, and the beam
flows forth from there - this is established Marvel physics.

As an analogy, imagine a door.  Fire a bullet at the door, and it is
stopped.
Now, open the door, and fire another bullet at the same aiming point - this

time it passes through, inflicting concussive force on a target, but no
recoil
on the door.

Cylcops is the door - when he opens his eyes, the "bullet" can pass
through.
(The question of how his eyes hold back the force which can knock down 
Sentinels will be left unanswered, as will the question of how ruby quartz 
can absorb this force when nothing else can).

Followups set to Xbooks.

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From: axjb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Anthony Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #1
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:03:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

Tanaqui (tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu) writes

> I think a more difficult ending for DC to retcon would be a circling round
> to the start, ending with Dream in his glass box...

I only found this newsgroup today, so apologies if I'm not saying anything new here,
but isn't it going to end with with Dream dying, or at least this aspect of him being
destroyed or something? I'm going on the projected titles set out by Gaiman a few
issues back - the last big storyline is "The Kindly Ones" and the Hecatae are most
often referred to in this way when they are considered as some kind of agents of
justice for dealing with bickering amongst the Endless. So I guess Desire does indeed
make Dream "spill family blood" (possibly her own??) and "bring the Kindly Ones down
on his head" as she threatened in "3 Septembers...". Because if Dream does die, that
would rather explain the novella set to follow called "The Wake", would it not? And
provide a way to tie Daniel Hall back into the overall storyline as Dream's
replacement?

Just a thought,

	Anthony.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Re: Casting and X-Men movie
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:54:45 GMT

marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:
>Just for the heck of it some friends and I fiddled around with the casting 
>for a mythical X-men movie with and infinite budget.  
	[long cast list deleted] 

>and as Magneto, Sean Connery.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Feel free to make suggestions or propose new people for these roles. But 
>don't argue about it. This is just for fun.
>
>----Marc (Thunderbolt) Seebass

	Myself and some friends did the same recently, and we
unanimously agreed that the _only_ actor who would be good for Magneto
would be Rutger Hauer (sp?).  We think you'll agree. 
-- 
   Gord Locke, a.k.a.    |    "I'm not an       | "The Universe is so big
glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca | Internet address ... | I get dizzy when I think
  Newfoundland, Canada   |   I'm a free man!"   |  about it" -Sugarcubes 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Subject: Re: Image Leaves Malibu
Organization: The Great Beyond
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:28:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.071654.1811@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>According to Pat O'Neill (editor of Wizard) on the Comics-L mailing list,
>Image has "amicably" parted with Malibu.  What this means for the group,
>who knows.  O'Neill says that the chances of success of the group staying
>viable as a loosely-affiliated group of creators is about as much as him
>becoming king of the world...:)

My guess is that they end up like some comics shops do:

While they may love THE Business, they have no understanding OF
Business. In other words, they flop because they don't have things
like business managers and accountants.

Yeah, it worked for Sim, but then he's essentially publishing one
book with a loyal following. 
-- 
We need not fear those who do evil in the name of evil, but Heaven
protect us from those who do evil in the name of good.
Arthur C. Adams acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil            	<fnord>
No, I'm not the Arthur Adams who draws comic books. Don't even ask.
From: curtis@aries.wistar.upenn.edu (curtis wahlgren)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Tintin Cronology
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:14:12 GMT

Do any of the readers of this group know the chronological order of the Tintin 
stories? I know it is not not in the order shown on the backs of the books.
For isnstance when does Tintin first meet Captain Haddock? - The Crab With The
Golden Claws. But when does he meet the two detectives? (I believe they are called
Thompson and Thompson in English.) Does he start out with Snowey? In which issues
do major characters first appear?

Also it would be interesting if readers in other countries would contribute with
the title of the series and major characters in their countries.

English (American)  Title  "Tintin"
                    Main character - Tintin
                    Dog - Snowy
                    Captain - Haddock
                    Detectives - Thompson & Thompson
                    Professor - Calculus

German   Title  "Tim und Strupie"
         Main character - Tim
         Dog - Strupie  (struppig means shaggy when applied to a dog)
         Captain - Haddock
         Detectives - the Schultzes
         Professor - Calculus

Please correct my mispellings and any errors I have made. This is just off my head.
-- 
Curtis Wahlgren                                        Tuesday, November third
curtis@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu                           Many voted, Bush retired
From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What does LSH stand for?!
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:54:02 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <9210946.22@cuslm.ca> 9210946@cuslm.ca (THERIAULT YANICK M.) writes:
>
>	Would someone care to explain to me what LSH mean!!!!  Give the 
>answer out on the net, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one that doesn'
>t know this!

Legion of Super Heroes
-- 
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:5918 alt.destroy.the.earth:837
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: LSH #38. Earth bites it.
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:38:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee):
>Spoiler warning, just in case:

>Page 17: Two billion people are left to die.  The Earth's population is
>several billion.  This means that once again, the evacuation capacity 
>is _just_ _exactly_, to within an order of magnitude, what they actually 
>need to evacuate the planet before it does the big firework.  What a large 
>coincidence.

Just exactly to within an order of magnitude?  That's another way of
saying that Earth was suffering from Titanic Syndrome:  They had an
escape mechanism, but because nobody took it seriously, it only had
a fraction of the capacity it needed.  The fraction would have been
lower had several billion people not just died from Triple Strike.

(Do we presume that 15% of Earth's population manifested super powers
while the sky was falling on them?)

>Page 20: Is that Neil Gaiman's Death there?  I'm surprised he would give
>permission for such a turkey, but then he probably doesn't know any better....

It isn't really Gaiman's permission to give, though DC is being as
accomodating as they can about keeping him happy.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: emery@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Scott Emery ACF)
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:16:23 GMT

In article <92310.172212SMM130@psuvm.psu.edu> <SMM130@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Personally, I would prefer Julia Roberts as Jean Grey, or Mary Jane in the
>Spider-Man movie.  Also, how about Clint Eastwood as Wolverine (Snappy patter,
>smokes cigars, kills bad guys as soon as looks at them....)

	However, Wolverine has hair and Eastwood would look terrible in
a wig.

Scott Emery
emery@acfcri2.arc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Murders at Gaiman Manor (really Sandman)
Organization: The Little Newtonian Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:10:16 GMT

In <1992Nov5.144346.475@netcom.com> dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins) writes:

>You left out the most powerful being on Earth (from earlier in the 
>series):


Did not! He's under Others! I'll admit to messing up on Desire's alibi,
but I'm not about to ignore an embodiment of evil when there's a bunch
of murders going on.


>Lucifer
>Reason: his 'brief life' on earth might have gotten boring.
>Alibi: none
>and he's got more mobility than Orpheus.  ;-)

'Course since he lost the wings he doesn't get about as well as he used to.
B{)

>Personally I think Delirium might be more capable than anyone thinks.
>Her appearance in Season of Mists #0 was a hint that she knew more 
>and wanted a chance to prove it.

OK, I know this is probably another Bloodwynd = J. Danforth Quayle
theory based on a printing error, but I am beginning to wonder about 
Del's word baloons going to black and white. On page 6 panel 6 Del
is talking about Capax and there is no color. Also on page 9 panel
4 when she asks for the bubble stuff. (Bad example.) Again on page
11 panels 3 and 15 when she again is talking about Capax. I think the
only other time the color is gone is when she asks about the word 
"change" back in #43. 

Now I'm not sure I can construct a really good reason why this may be and  
I'll point out that the colors were a bit sloppy this time. (For example, 
Dream has flesh tones on page 20 panel 5.) However, perhaps Del sometimes
knows what's really going on. Maybe her nature is a little less fuzzy
when she occasionally stumbles into reality.

You're right. Pretty weak.

BTW, it is a Morgan. The wheels are very distinctive. Other than nice
lines and a great grill, if you were to be stuck on what sort of car 
for Morpheus to ride in you might look at an alphabetical listing of
cars and Morgan comes close. First three letters anyway. Just getting
the crackpot theories out of my system.

BTW II, anyone find "Are not light and gross bodies intraconvertible?"
My love for Newton is not great. I was hoping some Newtonian scholar
could identify the source, assuming it saw print or was recorded.  
--
   Lance "RainDog" Smith     |   "Outrageous, alarming, courageous, charming.
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)      |    Oh, who would think a boy and bear 
   Still waiting for the     |    could be well accepted everywhere
    Great Leap Forward.      |    It's just amazing how fair people can be."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Sandman
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:26:08 GMT

cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts) writes:
> I know it sounds like alot, but could someone who is a regular reader
> of sandman please give the new readers a brief synopsis of the character
> and what story line the book is trying to tell.

That's actually fairly easy from the overall perspective.
Sandman is a chronicle of the lives of the Endless, beings who
represent human concepts in both names and actions.  The Endless are:
Death
Destiny
Desire
Delerium
Destruction
Despair

And of course, the sandman himself,

Dream.

>  Some origins would help.

No origins available, son.
They're the endless.  They've been around for as long as anyone can
remember.
-- 
This is my sig file.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: lsh back issues
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:39:54 GMT

In article <sward.721359415@uclagsm> sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward) writes:
>>     I have been thinking of picking up some back issues of Legion of
>>Super-Heroes, after all the recent traffic on how good it used to be. Is
>>there any particular place I should start (ie. good storylines) in order
>>to get a feel for the series?
>Adventure 340 and 341.  A sentimental favorite, the first LSH issues I
>picked up myself off the stands.

Noooooo!

They may have been great when you were 8 years old (I could swear by LSH
first series #3, which was more or less my first issue), but the chances that
a new reader of college or greater age would become interested by looking at
such an issue are rather small.  These issues were good by 1960's standards,
but terrible by 1990's standards.

I still think #284 is a _much_ better starting point.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: Messner-Loebs and Sam Keith to Image
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:22:36 GMT

In article <MeydXRW00WBKM2bIxK@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Joe Nathan Haralson, II"
<jh20+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
>  Messner-Loebs, the name sounds familiar, what has he written other than
> the Maxx.
> 
> 

	  That would be William Messner-Loebs, formerly a writer-artist of the
class 
that the comics-snobs on this list drool over, now currently writing mostly
for DC and not drawing anymore.
   Bill is known as a character-driven writer with a good sense for
dialogue 
and relationships.  Not known for big slam-bang fight scenes.  Not someone
I would have expected at Image;  probably he was asked by Kieth since
they've
worked together before (see below).  His work feels to me a lot like John
Ostrander's even though their common themes have very little in common.
   His art has a very scratchy feel to it, with almost no straight lines to
be found anywhere.  Things look very loose and flowing with no hard edges.
A style well-suited to Journey, but probably would not work for the spandex
crowd.

Past works include (and I'm probably missing some):

JOURNEY:  from Aardcark-Vanaheim, way back when, story of a trapper on the
American frontier back when Ohio was THE WEST.  Messner-Loeb words and art.
 Brilliant stuff, also have been some Journey pieces in anthologies
recently.
Not for the fanboy.

JONNY QUEST (Comico): writer for some issues.

WASTELAND:   was one of the writers on this defunct DC weird/horror
anthology.

FLASH:  wrote all of the Wally West Flash issues (except for fillers) until
        Mark Waid took over recently.

WONDER WOMAN:  just took over as writer with the Special featuring
Deathstroke.  
Not up to his usual standard, IMHO.

JAGUAR: wrote most of the run of this Impact book.

DR. FATE:  wrote the issues where Inza Nelson was Dr. Fate and used the
power
to clean up a part of NYC.  Featured very funny treatments of a Lord of
Order
trapped in a human body and an issue where the entire Congress was turned
into
newts.

EPICURUS THE SAGE:  wrote this, drawn by Sam Kieth (I before E).  2 volumes
from Pirahna Press.  Extremely funny retelling of Greek legends, including 
some very funny philosopher caricatures, especially Plato.

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Kevin Maguire                         No, not THAT Kevin Maguire
maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov          I'm a rocket scientist, not an artist
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Legionnaires merchandise - cloisonne pin
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 07:45:29 EST

A bit of news about DC marketing of "Legionnaires".  This comes via Mary 
Bierbaum:

A free Legion "L" Cloisonne pin will be given to retailers for every 100 
copies of Legionnaires #1 ordered.  The pin will not be available for 
sale but if a customer orders 100 copies they would be entitled to a pin.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 08:41:36 GMT

In article <BxBI7H.8wL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare) writes:
|> The failure to totally evac the earth was just stupid.  They had two
|> healthy Daxamites and one recouping one at their disposal, plus a
|> pseudo Daxamite (Jo Nah).  Valor (ick--Mon El) can move Neutron stars.
|> All they have to do is super-speed build arks, load 'em, and have the
|> Daxamites lift them into orbit.
|> 
|> Or at least have the Daxamites move the "new earth" space thing, rather
|> than shoving it into the phantom zone (oops, I mean ?@#$@? buffer zone).
|> 

You would be right given the old power level of DC superheroes.  However,
the power levels of all DC superheros including Daxamites have been
seriously reduced.  Daxamites can no longer come even close to moving
Neutron stars or even small planets.  A Daxamite would not be able
to move a large ark into orbit or push the great mass of the earth cities.
See recent issues of Superman, Valor, and LSH to see what I mean.
In fact, this makes for better writing because there is very little
suspense or possible plot complications when the heros are nearly
omnipotent.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: un032115@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Ho'od Win Round-Robin
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:04:04 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

And now, the greatest Ho'od Win of them all!  A round-robin contest featuring:

Sam & Max vs. Milk & Cheese vs. Those Annoying Post Brothers

Who will live?  Who will die?  Who will look extremely silly later?  You
decide!

Ken Bradley
kbradley@nyx.cs.du.edu or un032115@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Fight Man!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:13:59 GMT

Hey, as long as Death doesn't do the scripting, I'll buy it!
     Dave Van Domelen, reading my Fight Man issues while trapped in an 
hourglass