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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:29:07 EDT
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM>
Subject:      textbase/mailmerge cocktail
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From: Allan Needell

Mervyn,

Following on my last posting I had the occassion to go to the NB 3.0 manual
(its the only manual I have). I was looking for information of marking a
document for tables of contents but noticed that in the pre ibid days,
Dragonfly anticipated exactly your requirements. Section C4-15 is entitled
"Using Text-Base for Bibliographies"; C4-16 "Creating Bibliogrpahic Database."
The latter describes a strategy for using the Mailmerg, List & Records, and
Textbase capabilities for just the purpose you describe.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 92 07:23:21 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Blum's UMB+Hyperdsk+Tansi+Windows+NB
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Blum's UMB manager adds not only UMB memory, but also 64K of
conventional (low) memory (i.e., 720K instead of 640), more
UMB (about 180K), more XMS, and MORE SPEED. Emm386 makes the
system slow down. I have distributed a lengthy doc on this
list with more details on Blum's UMB, and how to configure
addresses for it.


Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:54:51 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB 4 File formats
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Jon Tolman writes:

> We have been a little perplexed here at UNM with one feature of NB4 that
> isn't documented, at least so far. The new text enhancement format in
> NB4, ie., "MDNM" OR "MDBO" is now changed, but the beta sets we are
> using don't include a file converter. What happens when you call up
> a file formatted in NB 3.0 everything is ok, but if you save, NB4
> strips out ALL text enhancement deltas, replacing them with "MD0".
> Any observations?

Actually, the mode notations are almost the same between NB 3.x and NB4.
The real difference in this area is between SLS and Lingua.  There are
two things that can be done to address the conversion problem...

First, use the Set, Other Settings menu, then Type, Auto-conversion to
turn auto conversion on.  This will convert PT deltas to the new
notation.

Second, when calling NB 3.x files the first time in NB4, use the Import
selection from the File menu instead of the Open selection.  The
Import selection will offer several choices, including NB 3.x/SLS and
NB 3.x multilingual files.  Using these techniques, I haven't yet
encountered any glitches.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:52:00 IST
From:         Odeda Zlotnick <KPUOZ@HUJIVM1>
Subject:      Re: Message subjects
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Message subjects can even be edited when you use the "reply" option....
So its really a question of 10 more seconds, which I too would appreciate.
                                                  Odeda.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:49:12 IST
From:         LITTR@NYUACF
Subject:      NB 4.0 Ships Next Week
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I have just spoken to a staff member at NB Informatics who tells me that
NB 4.0 will start shipping next week. They had expected their printer to
deliver the new Quick Reference Guides today (Monday, July 27) but that
did not happen. The staff has been told that they are to work over the
weekend to get the shipments ready.
More than this I did not ask.

Bob Litt
New York University
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:46:47 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Shapirit to Lingua
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

To get a Shapirit Hebrew file into NBLINGUA use the
command CALL/H. This will keep the ASCII characters
as they are, rather than convert them to 3 bytes
combinations -- NBLINGUA ingenious and dubious
innovation. However, Roman character strings will
appear in the wrong direction, because NBLINGUA
(the beta version I have, an old February 1992)
converts every MDHN to MDNM, without checking whether
it should not be converted instead to LA4 (with or without
"mdnm").

I began some time ago to write an XPL pgm to cure this
irritating outcome, but I then decided to wait. Perhaps the
final version WILL after all sense this trouble.
(I wish, however, someone from NBI asked me about it;
but there is little interest for the moment in the
specifics of Hebrew users.)

Sometimes the CALL/H command does not work. You must then
call the file in Shapirit, enter "LA4" before "LR0" in
the expanded mode, save the file under a different name,
then load NBLINGUA and call this file.

Whether you use the CALL/H command successfully, or must
use the other way, NEVER SAVE THE ORIGINAL FILE WHILE WORKING
IN NBLINGUA! This can cause lots of trouble if you then wish
to edit it with Shapirit.

Finally, all of the above applies to NB 3.1, too (if by miracle
you managed to get the evaporized semi-version once distributed
here and there).

Itamar Even-Zohar


For those of you who need Hebrew with full vocalization,
or fancy accents, with a Laser printer you will be able to
print incredibly beautiful texts. As for wordprocessing
etc. itself, I am still waiting to see if we are not
regressing rather than advancing.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:43:48 IST
From:         Robert D Hoberman <RHOBERMAN@SBCCMAIL>
Subject:      Message subjects
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-3355

                                            Robert Hoberman
                                            Comparative Studies Dept.
                                            516-632-7462, -7460
                                            24-Jul-1992 12:25pm EDT
FROM:  RHOBERMAN
TO:    Remote Addressee                     ( _notabene@taunivm.bitnet )

SUBJECT: Message subjects

I've been enjoying the discussion of "dibs" and "chips", both of which I
remember from my northern New Jersey childhood.  Also punchball.  But come-on,
youse-guys (as we used to say), have some mercy on your friends and colleagues:
use informative message subject-lines.  This morning five messages arrived with
the heading "RE: SHIPPING NB 4.0" (a subject that's materially important to all
of us, and of huge urgency to some of us); all of them turned out to be about
"dibs" and "chips" (a minor amusement to some of us).  It's not that much
effort to forego the "answer" command and address your own message, especially
if you use a nickname facility.  If it's worth your time writing, and my time
reading, it's worth an extra 10 seconds to change the title, if you're changing
the subject.

Bob
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:14:00 IST
From:         Odeda Zlotnick <KPUOZ@HUJIVM1>
Subject:      Shapirit to Lingua
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Does anyone know if Shapirit (i.e. Hebrew NB) files can be converted to
Lingua, and how to go about it?
                                           Thanks,
                                            Odeda
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:02:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      Re: SHIPPING NB 4.0
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In Phila we played half-ball, since you had two for the price of one and it fle
w half as far, which is ok in small alley ways.  And now for something complete
ly different, I use SLS in Hebrew and Ukrainian, (and perhaps oneday, Lingua).
 Anybody know about getting stickers or something for the keyboard so that the
characters appear on the key rather than using the keyboard layout sheet?

Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 92 08:48:34 GMT
From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Creating a textbase/mailmerge cocktail
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I wonder whether anyone amongst the Notabeneeri can comment on a
kludgey bodge I have in mind....

Due to the improvements in University financing (somehow, these
involve cutting our grants) it seems that we are unlikely to ever get
Ibid. Our standard site-licensed package is v. 3.0, and I increasingly
get the feeling that that, as they say, is that. I have been told that
there is no money for site-licensing Ibid, and that I need it,
ideally, to do what I want.

I have in the past made 3.0 do some things it was not designed for -
sometimes there was a clanking sound, the bearings ran a little hot,
and steam came out of the pipes in odd places, but it did them. Now, I
have the following problem and have thought of what might be an
Ibid-less solution, but I feel I may be setting forth into Outer
Darkness.

I have, and am accumulating daily, newspaper cuttings. They are
getting unmanageable and the data inaccessible, and I have been told
by our NB guru (To Whom All Praise Be Given, For He Is Wise, Patient
and Knows NB - and will be reading this anyway!) that Ibid would help.
This is a bit like being told we could have some bacon and eggs, if we
had eggs. And some bacon. He means well, and must be as frustrated by
Tory educational policies as I am. Funny how the word "improvement"
means different things from what it used to. It is no longer
synonymous with "better". It now means "cheaper".

Having done some odd things with Mailmerge in the past, and having
suffered a bit with learning Textbase, I was wondering whether I could
get by if I used these two together. In other words, 1 cutting=1
Mailmerge record, and 1 Mailmerge record=1 Textbase entry; and then
index the Mailmerge file. The cuttings themselves then can be kept in
date order. Somehow.

The v. 3.0 Manual (p. D2-6) says that the last Mailmerge field can
contain "5,000 to 10,000 characters". Why is this a range, not a set
value?  How does it compare to the Ibid comment field?

Are there any ghosties, ghoulies, and other things that would go bump
in the night if I did this? I assume that an Ibid entry is the same
basic ASCII thingy as all NB files are - that is, there are no
embedded unprintable control characters, and it all centres round
commands (which I don't have, of course) between << and >>.

My query therefore is whether it is possible thusly to bodge together
something which resembles Ibid, provided one looks at it in dim light?
And are there any pitfalls to be wary of?

Happy day in my family. My son has just got himself a splendid Upper
Second class degree in English (London University). His twin brother
awaits his results. Serious happiness generally!

--
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:55:22 -0400
From:         "Marvyn R. Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: beta 4
Comments: To: Nota Bene List <NOTABENE%taunivm.BITNET@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>
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Norman,

I don't yet have NB 4.0. I ordered it within weeks of the initial
prerelease offer. It was my understanding that it has not yet
been shipped. In any case, I won't be able to install if when
received because I don't have enough space available on my hard
disk. A very intense research project (10-12 hours a day spent at
my computer) leaves me no time to clean it up. From what I've
heard of it, I may never use it. I seldom use the French speller
because it is so bad.

I suggest you post your problem on the board. Someone may well
have experienced the same thing and solved it.

Roy
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:06:11 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Command Brackets in XPL program?
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Please read XPL.DOC in XPL.ZIP about how to put command
bracket search on the command line.

-Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:57:38 -0400
From:         "Marvyn R. Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      dibs/dubs
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I was interested, and a bit surprised, to see from Ray Grenade's
posting that in Arkadelphia, AR, people say "dibs" and not
"dubs". I grew up and lived until age 18 (when I went off to
Baton Rouge) in Northeast Louisiana, within a half-hour's drive
of Arkansas. We always said "dubs", and I don't think it was a
family idiosyncrasy.
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Organization: Emory University - Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:19:11 EDT
From:         "David H. Hesla" <ILADHH@EMUVM1>
Subject:      SHIPPING NB 4.0
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In the hope that the 27th is the actual date of shipping, and on the
assumption that, as one of the earlier subscribers, I'll be one of the
first to receive a copy, I now claim that I get dibs on the following
as the means of  expressing my joy:
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
I promise to complete at least a couplet.
The signified of the phrase "get dibs on" may, I trust, be inferred
from the context.  Those who grew up in the American Midwest will, presumably,
know, or at least remember, what it means.


DAVID H. HESLA
GRADUATE INSTITUTE OF THE LIBERAL ARTS
EMORY UNIVERSITY
ATLANTA GA 30322
ILADHH@EMUVM1
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 92 17:42:20 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Batch files for 4dos -- EZ-BTM01.ZIP
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I have uploaded a new archive, called EZ-BTM01.ZIP, with
batch files for 4DOS. Since some of these batch files
handle features related to Nota Bene, I thought that NB & 4DOS
users would like to look at them. There is a NB.BTM loader
which enables retaining history in NB shells, plus
a prompt with nb indicated as loaded pgm, etc. In other
batch files, CA and ED commands allow calling a file
to screen in NB from DOS command line, if NB is loaded.
This is better run with CA.RN, not yet included. When and if
this archive is uploaded on simtel20, I will probably erase it
from out listserv. Many of the features included are not
self-evident, or clearly understandable from the 4DOS manual,
so I thought it might help others.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:32:10 EDT
From:         Jesse Hurlbut <FREJDH@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Command Brackets in XPL program?
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Embarrassing to answer my own question, but I found the solution in
Itamar's XPL guide (p. 24).  When the brackets are entered as
ascii 174 or 175, they aren't read as command brackets.  I'm sure
I've seen that somewhere in the Manual, but I think I also remember
that it was in an unlikely place--anyway, it wasn't in the first
dozen or so places that I looked.

Jesse
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:22:00 EST
From:         Clifford Flanigan <FLANIGAN@IUBACS>
Subject:      NB 4 File formats
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I believe someone on this list, perhaps Dorothy Day, said at some point
that the file format of NB 4 will differ from early versions.  Am I
remembering this correctly?  If this is the case, will this affect the way
translation utilities and other utilities that recognize the Xywrite format
and formatting commands work?  Will this new format be identical or similar to
the format in Signature?

If I am being dense or just misremembered, I apologize.  I really would
appreciate any information anyone might have about this.

Clifford Flanigan
Indiana University
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:11:00 EST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Config.sys et cet.
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Thanks for all your help on my config.sys, especially to Paul Bodin who has
been particularly patient and competent (a great combination of virtues!). I
solved my problems and have a working config.sys using DOS 5 files. I had QEMM
5.1 which I have disabled; I'm not sure I see a reason to buy QEMM 6 at this
point--I'm just beginning to understand what is happening in DOS, and don't
need another level of confusion. I noticed one problem apparently in how the
DOS 5 upgrade worked. I went from DOS 4.1 to DOS 5 using their upgrade, but
that left various versions of several files which were incompatible (e.g.
HIMEM.SYS). I kep getting warnings that that version of HIMEM.SYS in my
config.sys file was incompatible with EMM386.EXE. It took a NB find command to
locate all the discrepancies. Another problem was in the install program for
the driver for my CD-ROM reader---it kept configuring my system for several
CD-ROM readers. I finally rolled up my sleaves, disregarded the install
program, and edited it until all works. Now if NB comes next week.
A note to Paul Bodin: I got my config.sys working as you suggested; I changed
my path to convert all references to NB to NB4 (subdirectory where the beta
version resides). This morning I typed NB and got NB4, so far great. Then I
typed F1 to get the menu to download a printer. As soon as I typed F1 the color
changed to violet and the border on the menu changed to x's. I'm just going to
wait until I get the final version next week. I might even try reading---books
are a lot easier to configure!
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:22:46 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      RE: Ugaritic/Cuneiform Fonts-Materials
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From: P E Hughes <ewhv10@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK> writes:


>Greetings! I am currently conducting research on available software for
>Ugaritic applications, and anxiously await hearing from anyone who has
>successfully utilized NotaBene for these purposes.  To the best of my
>knowledge, the Ugaritic facility for NotaBene is only transliteration
>and there are no actual Cuneiform fonts available.  N'est-ce pas?

A friend of mine, Itamar Singer, works w/ NB and is a scholar
in Hittite studies, and perhaps might be able to help you.
He teaches at Tel Aviv University, and perhaps someone on the
list can pass on your message--although it just occurs to me
that he's moved over to Macs.  He can tell you why he left NB.

Robert Braham
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu

>|==========================================|
>|E-MAIL: ewhv10@uk.ac.edinburgh.castle     |
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:45:09 EDT
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM>
Subject:      Creating a textbase/mailmerge cocktail
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From: Allan Needell

Mervyn,

Ibid files are structured exactly like mailmerge LST files (except that a
record need not have blank lines (ALT-space CR) for each empty field as in
Mailmerge. Field entries in Ibid begin with a two-letter code (e.g. AU, ST,
DA,,,,) followed by a colon and then the content of the field entry. Each
field entry ends with the ATL-space CR combo, each record ends with a page
delta. Their is a R# field (Record number) which begins each entry.

I see no reason you can't do exactly what you propose. Its too bad you can't
spring for Ibid+ though. It flexible both in input and output. For example, I
keep a database of just the sort you describe using Ibid+. Occasionally I
generate a chronologically ordered output in exactly the form (including
footnotes) that I use for my general notecard textbase. I then index the
resulting file into my textbase and use it while writing.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:44:00 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GERALDS@IRISHMVS>
Subject:      Re: SHIPPING NB 4.0
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene


Not to be smug, since in fact I'd rather live in a finer climate,
but Midwest IS standard American English, right?  Thousands of
television newscasters trained to talk like Midwesterners can't all
be wrong.  So no need for apologies here in South Bend!

Gerald W. Schlabach
geralds@irishmvs
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 92 11:03:53 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: find, ca, wildcards, + other tricks
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Another trick using FIND with wildcard characters and then calling the
files directly from that directory list is to set your (NB 3.0) New Window
default in DEFAULT.SET to NW=2 so the directory listing will NOT
disappear but will remain for future use. The explanations for the NW=
settings is:

;Automatic New Window
;       NW=0 for prompt if calling file/directory in occupied window
;       NW=2 for automatically opening new window (leaves directory on
;               screen and opens another window)
;       (NW=1, for automatic opening and closing of windows,
;               is NOT valid option, despite what manual indicates)
NW=2

The problem with this (in NB 3.x) is that the directory usually
changes to overstrike mode in the process, so that the NEXT time you
call a file from the list, it will open in overstrike mode; you have
to keep your eye on the small "o" in the upper right corner. I've been
living with this for years, because of the convenience of retaining my
directory screen, but I also set the error beep for overstrike to warn
me as soon as I start typing over text:

;Overstrike Click
;       Defines tone (1st value) & duration (2nd) of beeps (0 to 65534):
;       Beep when NB overstrikes a character (setting of 0,0 is OFF)

OB=1612,20596

It's a little clumsy, but it does the trick. (And you thought you were
crazy...) The problem is fixed in NB4, where the NW=1 setting now works.

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: SHIPPING NB 4.0
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:52:33 GMT

You can't get dibs, because you didn't yell it.  DIBS!  There.  You
can still get second dibs, though.

Peter Binkley
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:06:37 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      RE: Creating a textbase/mailmerge cocktail
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

>I wonder whether anyone amongst the Notabeneeri can comment on a
>kludgey bodge I have in mind....

>Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter


Dibs, dubs, chips, and kludge I get.  Is "bodge" a British
contraction/shift of hodge-podge (i.e., mish-mosh)?
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