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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Paradoxes
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:38:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxAAJz.HCs
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>When I mentioned the concept of "you" this referred to the sum total of all
>the particles that you consist of now.  Period.  These particles have always
>existed, therefore "you" have always existed.

Hmm. The way I've always heard it, the only thing constant is the amount
of energy. Matter particles are just one form of energy. Therefore, the
DaveParticles making up my body probably spent some time, say, from
3:30 pm - 5:25 am, December 14, 1897, as virtual quarks.

Your time travel theory, while interesting, forgets that the amount of
"matter" does not need to stay constant, if energy is shunted (say, to the
time the time traveler is coming from) in sufficient quantities to keep the
Universe appeased. Given the fact that the MU also suffers from non-quantum,
let alone non-Newtonian stuff like the Beyonders, Living Tribunal, and
assorted magickal feats, I'd be a bit hesitant about applying any of the
Thermodynamics Laws to the MU as a whole.
-- 
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"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 14:14:50 -0500 
From: Adam Darby <ad2n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The X-Men Movie Cast (Repost from racm)
	<BxDxnK.2IH@matilda.vut.edu.au>

psylocke turned asian when she was captured by the hand
they also gave her those mondo fighting skills and that's when she
developed the psionic knife...what's that cliche she's always saying
when she uses that?

i think tia carrere could do her...how about noriko sakai as jubilee? :-)


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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: X-men TAS -- More errors?
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:52:53 GMT

In article <92314.011910WRS114@psuvm.psu.edu>, WRS114@psuvm.psu.edu (Bill Simoni) writes:
> 2) Also Cyclops (plus the rest of them, I suppose).  He was taking the
> Snetinels out way too easily.  They had to have killed 15 in that episode.
> In "real life" (the comic), put just a handful against the X-men and our
> heroes would be toast.

It depends on the Sentinels.  The most powerful of the 'our time' sentinels (I
don't count Nimrod) were the ones from Iss. 99/100, and were pretty darn tough.
These are also the ones that resulted in the Master Mold, but I don't know
about the TriSentinel (I missed his origins somewhere).

The more recent Sentinels are much weaker, I think that the ones developed by
Shaw were designed not to be THAT effective at getting mutie scum, or they'd
put themselves out of a job ;)

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie - What To Consider Besides the Cast
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:33:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxGuF3.K0r
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <08NOV92.15232397.0153@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
writes:
>Hi.  I've been reading people's suggestions as to who to cast in an
>X-Men movie but I haven't heard any news as to whether or not there's a
>script yet.  We might really be jumping the gun here because a script
>for an X-Men movie would be difficult to write.

Tell 'em, squire!

[various reasonable ideas deleted]

>Wait there's more.  During the eighties, NBC tried the concept of young
>people acquiring special powers in "The Misfits of Science".  It didn't
>last an entire season.  Wasn't even close in fact.

Oh, yeah. "Misfits of Science." Boy, with all the effort and hard work
they put into that show, I'm still surprised it was cancelled so soon.


>BTW, I also like Rebecca Farmer's choice of Naomi Campbell as Storm and
>Madonna as the White Queen (although people might get the wrong idea -
>"X"-Men, huh? :) ).  Mind you, I think I'd rather have Paula Abdul as
>Rogue as suggested by Jed Bowtell than Madonna as the White Queen
>(I couldn't see them working on the same film together).

My poor, dead cat, who died recently (like, today) is currently showing
more animation and talent than Paula Abdul. A large "neg" from this
X-voter on having Abdul be involved in the least in any X-movie, no matter
what the role.
-- 
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"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: jp10704@snoopy.umd.edu (Ron Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Deaths Head II
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:51:50 GMT
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Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

I was wondering, did anyone get the new DeathsHead II issue yet, and if so what did you think.  I for one think Deathshead II is the shit.  I mean he did take care of one of the most powerful mutant groups out there: The Xmen, in the first issue as well as his mini series.  I just wanted to know what you all thought about him that's all.
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Enough, already. Die, thread, die!
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:36:29 GMT
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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov11.180004.290@ms.uky.edu> uk08745@nx04.mik.uky.edu (randy j
yarger) wonders:

>Rogue's first appeance was Avengers Annual #10, and her first X-Appearance
>was in the late 150's (158?).  I think she's always had green eyes.
>
>And David Henry says they're green, and he above ALL people should know.

Right on all three counts, IMO, Randy. First appearance is Avengers Annual
#10, X-Men #158, and I did say they were green.

>hmmm . . has anyone ever seen Dave and Rogue in the same place at the same
>time?

Yeah, me. Go figure. We ate at the Riverbend just last month, celebrating
Jim Lee's leaving the X-books (a bit late, but then I've been broke lately,
and I most certainly will not let Rogue pay for her own meals). Never again
will she, hopefully, have to suffer an artist who couldn't draw her flying
without a bent leg. 

>
>Or maybe Dave is a Clone of Rogue's son from on Alterate Future . . 
>or maybe . . . 

Who's the father? Why an alternate future? WHY ME? Gah!, I give up.

They will not let me rest in peace! Away, you LNH goons, away, away!

Shoo, scat, begone!

Scav, I sent you the paycheck! Call them off!

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"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: dddawson@lpl.arizona.edu (Doug Dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cyclops and Recoil?
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:30:02 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <1992Nov11.082442.4917@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>><Somebody Else> writes:
>>>Cyclops has an energy beam and energy does not exert force.  So cyclops
>>>should experience about as much kickback or recoil as you would when you
>>>turn on a flashlight.
>>>
   As somebody else pointed out, Scott's beams cause a force at their
   target, so unless they're exploding at contact, an equal force has to
   be exerted at the source.
   
   Just to point out, though, 'telekinesis' is basically the ability to
   ignore Newton's Second Law, producing momentum changes out of
   nothing.
   

>But in any case, it's irrelevant.  There are recoilless rifles.  There are
>rail guns.  There's lots of ways to get concussive force without recoil.

Welll...in any of those cases, there really _is_ recoil, they just get
around it.  Recoilless rifles vent gases out the back to balance, so 
Scott would have to fire a beam out of the back of his head at the same
time he shot one out of his eyes to use this.

Similarly, rail guns simply spread out the recoil over the length of the
barrel and the time it takes to launch, and are generally _much_ bigger
than the projectiles they launch.  This can't work for Scott.

So, it comes down to comicbook science.  "It works."
From: uk08745@nx04.mik.uky.edu (randy j yarger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie Cast.
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:29:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ms.1992Nov11.22917.25741
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <514@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> idbremne@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca  
(idbremne) writes:
> I have read all the ideas for the cast of any possible X-Men movie.
> 
> I feel that no movie company could possibly afford to put together the  
talents
> that have been suggested.  (Didn't Arnie get like 100 Mbucks for T2?)
> 
> I feel that an ENTIRELY unknown cast would be the best way to go.
> 
> It will allow everyone to go in without any preconceived notions.
> (Remember when Batman came out?  "Will Keaton pull it off?")
> (Keaton was the only one to pull it off in this film, and you guys)
> (would like to try this with more than 3 cast members?)
> 
> Frankly, to get people to turn out all that is needed is good  
set/costume
> design, excellent Special Effects (I.L.& M. would be great!) and
> a good "DARK" television/movie trailer promotion.

NO!!!!!!!!!
Anything but dark!!!!!!!
Batman is dark, Lbob is dark, Ghost Rider is Dark. . . 
The X-Men are NOT DARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Allow a truly excellent script to be written as well as hiring a great
> casting director to be hired with all the money you save.
> 
> Bingo.  Cult Hit
> 
> Bingo.  Cult Hit
> 
> Bingo.  Cult Hit... 

Other than that . . . good suggestions.

I'd like to see an openening scence with them playing baseball, like in  
the
Claremont days.  Good way to introduce powers.

randy j. yarger
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uk08745@ukpr.uky.edu
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From: wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William R Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Fantasy X-Men Cast
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:10:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.CMM.0.90.4.721069848.wthomps
Organization: The Ohio State University




As much as I hate these things, how about......

Pierce Bronsan as Gambit?  

This would really work, IMO.


                                                        
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From: lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the new X-Men animated
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:33:20 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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>In article <92308.090158JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:

Introduction deleted...

>>  Colossus: Arnold Schwarzenegger.  Big, muscular, right accent, plus
>>Cameron loves to work with him.

No... Arnie's too... overused.  There have GOT to be other, better candidates
for this role, as in bodybuilders who can act and have Russian accents.  I
mean, the requirements aren't THAT high, eh?  :)

>>  Jean Grey: Jeanette Goldstein.  (Vasquez in Aliens + in Near Dark)

Hmm... an idea that just popped into my head... howabout Tawney Kitaen?

>>  Cyclops: Michael Biehn.  (Might not happen if he does Spiderman.  If
>>so, then Robert Patrick  (T1000 in Terminator 2)

My pick was, at first, Harrison Ford.  But he's kind of old for this
particular role.  I can't think of any else, though...

>>Gambit: Keanu Reeves.  (Point Break)

HERE's where Rutger Hauer should be, I think.  He's got the moves for it.
As for the accent... *shrug*

>>Storm: Imam.  (who else could it be?)

Not Grace Jones!!!!

>>Professor X: Patrick Stewart.  (If not him, then Lance Henrikson)

Patrick Stewart... perfect pick!  :)

Oh, and just to throw in a name... I'd pick Dennis Quaid to play Havok (pun
not intended) if that character were portrayed in the movie for any reason.

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From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Subject: Re: Rogue's eyes (was Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap)
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:22:20 GMT


>>Rogue first appeared in X-Men with issue #158 (this is where Carol Danvers 
>>travels to the Pentagon to erase some files and runs into the Brotherhood
>>of Evil Mutants. Since Rogue destroyed Danver's life, they slug it out).
>>She joined the X-Men in issue #171. Giant Size X-Men makes no reference to
>>Rogue. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Marvel didn't create her until a number
>>of years later. BTW, her eyes are green, except when the colorist screws up.
>

>yup... unless the colorist screws up... but then again.. he could be referring
>to the avengers anual #7 which was her frist appearance... that was somtime in
>1980 or 81... which was stil a long while after the giant sized x-men...

Er......  

Minor quibble:  Rogue's first appearance was Avengers Annual #10; the X-Men
did appear in that one, but never met Rogue per se; the Prof was called in
to probe the blanked-out Carol Danvers's mind.

Avengers Annual #7 was part one of the Death of Thanos (at the time, anyway)
storyline, and concluded with Marvel Two-In-One Annual #2.

(Hell, either one would be a nice addition to one's library.)

As for Rogue's eyes, they've been green for most of her career, with 
occasional gusts of blue to signify Carol-hood once the schlock writing 
set in.  Surprised the Collected Forces of the Rogue Fan Club haven't
descended upon this question already.
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From: pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Paul Ackerman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Jubilee -- The girl who defies Physics...
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:04:15 GMT
Reply-To: pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <83258@ut-emx.uucp>, aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu 
    (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>
>	Dear lord!!! Not only can Jubilee BLOW BIG @!$#^$% HOLES IN WALLS,
>but she can appear in two places at once!!!
>
>	Those of you who taped the second episode of X-Men, take a close
>look at the scene where the president gives her little mutant speech --
>you know, BEFORE the X-Men go to rescue Jubilee.  Note the cast in the room:
>Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Gambit, Rogue, (maybe) Wolverine, and Jubilee. 
>
>	HUH?!?
>

         You only qualify for half a no-prize there.  (Don't tell me Marvel
    still has no-prizes... they don't, don't they?).  The networks are
    notorious for re-running snippets of news over-and-over-and-over. 
    (Makes the Energizer Bunny look like a brand-new idea).  And if you
    watch CNN's Headline News you could see the same cycle of news so many
    times you can recite it.

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue's eyes (was Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:01:33 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <wf0beve00iV2M1giw=@andrew.cmu.edu> maverick+@CMU.EDU (Chris Holly) writes:
>    -Chris Holly (The Maverick)
>    Obscure Trivia Lad II - The Sequel
>    ----------------------------------

Well, as long as it doesn't turn out like Highlander II.

Obscure Trivia Lad (the original)

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: CABLE
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 02:37:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.223320.19646@leland.Stanford.EDU> blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum) writes:
>I am not very up to date so please forgive my ignorance:
>
>Is Cable a mutant?
>If so what are his powers? (he doesn't seem to have much
>except a bionic arm and a gun)
>
>thanks,
>darren

No worries there; I've been following Cable since his 1st appearance, I'm
still confused... ;D

Yes, Cable is a mutant. The only power he's shown so far is telekinesis;
however, if the possibility (alomst a near-certainty, by now...) that
Cable is indeed Nathan Summers (i.e. Cyclops' son), he should have some
kind of telepathy... (he could have lost it, though...)

For more hints as to Cable's identity, read X-FORCE #8, his own mini
series, and the X-Cutioner's Song storyline...


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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099)
Subject: ACCENTS--REBEL YELL SPEAKS!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:05:24 GMT

Hi y'all.  I thought I'd take time out from being the dynamic young leader of
the LEGION OF NET.HEROES to give my opinions of Rogue's and Gambit's accents
in the new X-Men series.  Now I've only seen episode 2 but I figure I heard 
enough.

For Rogue:  Well this Southern Belle can do no wrong.  True, it was a bit texan,
rather than Mississippi, but I'll concede you really have to know the difference
to find fault.  I always thought she have a slightly higher pitch voice, but
that's just me.

I give it a thumbs up!


For Gambit:  I liked that he said mon ami', a bunch.  That's about it.  That
was NOT a cajun accent.  His voice SHOULD have been remarcably similar to
Harry Connick Jr.'s.  (That is who Gambit is patterned from).  They needed
a voice actor?  Miguel Ferrer should be available.  He hasn't worked since 
Broken Badges was cancelled.

Definite thumbs down!


Hope this helps.


Southernly yours,

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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: FAQL: X-Men History
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:20:36 GMT

In article <07NOV92.17623435.0031@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:
>       The X-Men were reunited in UX #125-128, the "Proteus Saga", a
> story featuring Havok, Polaris and Madrox ("Le plus que ca change, le
> plus que ca reste la meme").

For historical notes:
	Madrox first appeared in Giant Size Fantastic Four #4.

	Havok and Polaris first appeared in UX fifty-something, drawn by
	Neal Adams.  Havok's earliest stories all involved "The Living Pharaoh"
	who appeared in those UX stories, a MTU story with Thor (#?), and
	the Power Man/Iron Fist stories you listed.

	Polaris was found homeless and amnesiac (I think), and was convinced
	for some time that she was Magneto's daughter (which he denied).

	The first Havok story was also reprinted in Giant Size X-Men #2

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From: lazarus@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the new X-Men animated
Date: 7 Nov 1992 05:15:20 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <BxBMrt.FoC@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>Rogue - Julie Roberts or Paula Abdul (If she could act)

Sorry, but I have to kill this Julia Roberts theme whenever I see it.
Julia Roberts should not be allowed to have ANYTHING to do with this
movie.  She'd ruin it.  In fact, they oughtn't allow her to WATCH the
movie in ANY theatre!  Oh, and the same goes for Paula Abdul.  ICK!

>Rahne or Feral - Madonna

Oh puh-LEASE!

(note:  I'm not criticizing your taste, but these women make me ill...)

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From: mikecap@parrot.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: previous article
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:19:25 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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>hard to kill permanently.. but since the Shiva storyline, all bets are off.hard
>to kill permanently.. but since the Shiva storyline, all bets are off.


Is there an echo in here?

(HAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!)
(I'm sorry I just had to)

Mike C.

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