From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Please reply Mr Nasir Ahmed Noor
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:55:03 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



Dear Mr. Hasnie.
Asslam-o-Alaikum,
Except one, no part of your letter is worth replying to. I will reply to that.
You have pointed out a Mubahila from the times of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed
Qadiani and claim that Hazrat Ahmed lost that ``battle of prayers''. Well
Sir, before I reply to that, I would like to point out that every day on
the net, someone posts an article/allegation highly reflective of their
ignorance of facts and history and beliefs of Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam.
If only you had tried to find out facts from some reliable sources (not
necessarily Ahmadi sources), this post wouldn't have resulted. Very recent
examples would include very ridiculous posts by Mr. Jafry and some allegations
by Mr. Marwan and other people.

Are you aware that When Ahmadis were decalred Non-Muslims by Bhutto, our
Khalifa (Hazrat Mirza Nasir Ahmed) at that time (3rd Khalifa of Hazrat Ahmad)
appeared in National Assembly (or was it Senate) and faced all allegations
and arguments against Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam. No part of those sessions
was ever released to the public. And when we were declared Non-Muslims, we
made repeated requests to the Government that it should release the
recording of those sessions to the public or atleast let the Ahmadis explain
their point of view. Could you answer me, Sir, Why all these requests were
turned down? Why justice was not done? Why it was a ``one sided'' decission
and accused were not let to defend themselves? I know that truth is always
bitter to swallow but the truth is when ever any of your schoars/maulvis
has ever faced Ahmadis, they take an unforgettable beat in debates/discussions
and always end up descending to levels of dirty tricks!!! Why, if Ahmadis
have so unacceptable beliefs, would they not let the public hear what we
had to say that why we believe in our beleifs????

Now back to your point of Hazrat Ahmad's Mubahila.
This question was put up by someone last year too and I simply copy the
response I gave that gentleman: (follows...)

It is claimed that Ahmad made a prophecy that Sanaullah will die in his 
lifetime. But Sanuaullah outlived Ahmad, hence Ahmad proved wrong.
Here is the background which the books you refer to always omit.
Sanaullah challenged the Promised Messiah, Hazrat Ahmad to a prayer duel 
(Mobahilah) published in Ahle Hadees March 29, 1907.  In response, Ahmad
accepted. He stated:  "If he is sincere in his challenge that the untruthful 
one should die before the truthful one then surely he will be the first to 
die (Ijaz Ahmadi, p 36)."  When Sanaullah realized that Ahmad accepted the
challenge, he made excuses.  He wrote in his book "Ilhamat Mirza" page116:
"I regret, however, that I dare not enter into such controversy and this lack
of courage is a source of honour for me and is not a source of humiliation."
He went on to say in the magazine Ahle Hadees, April 19,1907:
"The Quran says that evil doers are granted respite by God...God grants
respite and bestows long life on liars, deceivers, disturbers of peace and
the disobedient."
He not only rejected the challenge of Ahmad (which was the necessary condition
for fulfilment of the prophecy re death within a year), but put forward the 
principle that liars and decievers are granted long lives. Thereupon, Allah
granted him long life and he outlived Hazrat Ahmad.


Regards
Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca

Sir, I put forward a question to you. Could you tell me that why so many
lies are written by your ``so respected'' and ``trusted'' scholars about
Ahmadiyyat?? I can give you hundereds and hundereds of examples but why
go any where else, I sure you remember reading some pathetically ridiculous
posts by Mr. Jafry and allegations made by Mr. Marwan. Also, why anti 
Ahmadiyya writers love to pick sentces/words out of context from books and
sayings of Hazrat Ahmed, and present them to give entirely different meanings?
Also why Ahmadis are denied the right to publicly defend themselves??
Got any answers?