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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:34:33 MST
From:         Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PREVUE Guide question
              question" (Nov 21,  1:50pm)

 Gary talked about the PREVU guide - I've seen it crash also on the
 local cable (when I was last on it 5 years ago) - you'd turn over there
 and get a low rez picture of a hand holding a floppy disk saying something
 like "BOOT" :-)

 Now, the big question. Does anyone know HOW the cable companies grab ahold
 of the data? It couldn't really be a decode of the video characters (could
 it?).  I'd assume somewhere on the transponder is a data feed?

 Format?

- Bob Wier

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From: wells@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wells)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:26:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Need List of Stereo Services
Organization: Zanzor of the CLOUDS
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In rec.video.satellite, scott@b8.b8.ingr.com (Scott Gentry) writes:

> Howdy,

Hi,
 
> I'm hoping this is the right group.  If it's not, please bear with me.
> First some background.  

It isn't but ... close 'nuff.  rec.video.cable might help too.

Almost everything that is 'premium', MTV, VH1, SI-FI channel, and other 
music services are in stereo.... The local cable co broadcasts a number 
of stereo signals on FM broadcast band (must connect FM tuner to the cable).  
I don't know of any cable co.s that broadcast stereo TV sound (MTS) 
along with the video but there may be a few.

Why not just call up the owner of the cable tv place and talk to him.
They may already be doing something like this.

Just the way it looks here in the Fort   John
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:35:06 CST
From:         TERRY@SYSA.C-ENGR1.SIU.EDU
Subject: re: For Sale Info

I would also like to know if there is a place to find used equipment since
I can't afford new equipment.
 Terry
terry@sysa.c-engr1.siu.edu
From: mbn@skeletor.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: GI IRD
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:15:02 GMT
Reply-To: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions

>>>>> "st9530" == ST9530  <ST9530@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU> writes:

st9530> I have a problem that I am sure some other kind reader has
st9530> probably seen or dealt with: How to receive a satellite that
st9530> carries both KU and C band on the same bird?  I am using a GI
st9530> 2770R, with Gardiner .07 and a CALAMP 25deg LNB's I see birds like
st9530> ASC 1, which I only find video VCII+ encrypted, but there is
st9530> supposed to be KU there also.  Does this require entering another
st9530> satellite entry, such as A7 (ASC1 now), would I have to program
st9530> something like A8 for the KU portion?  A1 is taken by an ANIK
st9530> satellite right now.

st9530> I think I am on the right track, but the manual says nothing about
st9530> birds with dual band capability, only separate KU and C band.

Yeah, just choose some convenient code, such as A8.  All the Ku services
on ASC1 are BMACS scrambled, though.  I've never seen anything in the
clear on the Ku side of that bird.

st9530> st9530@siucvmb.siu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:22:00 CST
From:         I'D RATHER BE FISHING THAN ON THE VAX <REDLCW@FNAL.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:: Anik Reception

I live just to the west of chicago, and receive both c/ku bands, from
the Anik Sats just fine. Since the transponders on these sats are so
strong I would think that you could pick them up also.

                                                For Your Info
                                                Ross E. Doyle

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From: M.Willis@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Mike Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: For you experts in Satelite instalation
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:01:39 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

In article <9211191908.AA08007@zeus.c-engr2.siu.edu>, TERRY@SYSA.C-ENGR1.SIU.EDU writes:
|> Well after reading how easy it is to install satelites I am going to try
|> to move mine.  Here is what I propose (PLEASE comment):
|>   My dish is mounted on my roof with a roof mount for one satelite only (fact).
|>   I want to mount it on a pole so that I can move it from satelite to satelite.
|>   I think that I should be able to get a polar mount and build a bracket that
|>   will attach the satelite to the pole pointing at the satelites up above.
|>   Then supposedly these polar mounts will track the satelite arc as I move
|>   the dish.  Can I do this?  Any ideas on a limited budget?  Also I will have
|>   to put the dish on a pole about 20-23 feet up so that it will clear my house.
|>   Any references, comments, etc. on this will be appreciated.
|>     Thanks Terry
|>  Terry@sysa.c-engr1.siu.edu

Polar mounts exist, as do az-el mounts. Automatic positioners are not expensive,
and actuator jacks are readily abailable to move the antenna. You can not put a
dish on a 23ft pole unless it is very well guyed, even then it is not advisable as
the pole will twist. Why so high anyway? I presume your dish is about 1 metre or so
diameter, any more will be ungainly on a roof and should be in the garden, facing
south with a clear view. you do not say where you are in the world or which
satellites you want to receive.

Mike
From: larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Authorization
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:02:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: mr.1992Nov16.160201.24648
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance

Just got zapped again. Apparently our old provider hit us with a
de-authorization signal again cause the premiums are scrambled.
I would guess that more than one person has had the semi-clever
idea of signing up for one month and then turning off their receiver
for a while so they don't get de-authorized when the month is up.
I'll bet this keeps up for the next six months or so. My wife is
highly irate because it has happened both times so far while she was
watching a show. I'm not too hapyy either. What's really messy is that
the receiver came with some free programming (one provider) and our
dealer signed us up for additional programming with another provider
(we didn't realize that he'd chosen a second provider) and now we're
trying to get switched over to a provider of our choice (the *dealer*
owned the subscription to the second provider even though we were
paying for it). What a mess. Anybody got any suggestions short of
selling the receiver? Are my speculations correct? Wish this had
been in the FAQ when I started.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:46:27 -0500
From:         Ron Gomes <rrg@PROLOGIC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Observations from North Carolina

Jay Novello writes:

        Spacenet 2, 22(C) -- SUR has encrypted with a VCII or VCII+
        signal.  There is a barker channel on 6.8 in Spanish advising
        of the encryption and giving an 800 number to call for
        subscriptions.  SUR remains in the clear on PanAmSat C-band
        channel 22.

I've noticed that there's sometimes an additional C-band feed of SUR on
the Intelsat at about 50 West, at about channel 10 on a (North
American) domestic receiver.  The strength of the signal varies greatly
(at least as received in northern New Jersey): sometimes it's almost
sparkle-free even though it's circularly-polarized and I'm not using an
international feedhorn (yet).  Other times I can only barely identify
the signal there, and yet other times I see no signal at all.  It
appears to duplicate the feed on Panamsat, but I can only barely
receive the Panamsat feed (which I presume is targeting Central or
South America).

Anyway, the SUR signal on the bird at 50 West appears to have started
encrypting, as reported for the feed on S2.

                        Ron Gomes
                        rrg@prologic.com
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From: warren@apple.com (Chris Warren)
Subject: Opinions Wanted on Super Guide
Followup-To: rec.video.satellite
Organization: Taligent.com
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:20:45 GMT

I am thinking about buying SuperGuide which will allow me to download
from a satalite the next ten days worth of programming and allow
me to sort it and analyse it in different ways.  Has anyone out there
had any exeriences with this device?  Can you tell me what types
of things you can do with it?  Can you tell me if it is any
good and worth the US$330 that I would have spend to get it?

Thanks in advance
--Chris Warren
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:50:34 EST
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: PREVUE Guide question

>And is the data for listings generated locally or transmitted on the
>bird?  I've seen a few times at night or on weekends when the
>listings have crashed and the screen just shows:

>----1:00AM----
>----1:30AM----
>----2:00AM----
>----2:30AM----
>----3:00AM----

>cycling over and over with no listings!   What's going on here?



I assume you are watching a cable feed.  Yes the system crashes.  I believe
it runs on an AMIGA.  The data is obviously generated at your cable head end,
because it needs to convert it to the assigned channels in your area.  The
computer takes the data, and runs it through a program that sorts it into the
proper channels in your area.  BUT it DOES crash for a variety of reasons.
In fact PREVIEW GUIDE itself (the master one) has crashed all the way back to
the AMIGADOS prompt.  I am assuming that the amiga is used only to generate
the video, but I may be wrong.  They could have written the whole system to
run on a big amiga.

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From: bengt@fires1.uucp (Bengt A. Palsson)
Subject: Re: BBC 9 O'Clock News
Organization: Svenska Popfabriken AB, USA div.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:06:18 GMT

In article <9211201258.AA01995@lopez.marquette.MI.US> Flash Hoser <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US> writes:
>>The last 2 night on G2/T23 at 6PM I have been getting the BBC 9 O'Clock
>>news. The sound is fine but the picture flips like the vertical hold
>>is off.  What am I picking up and is there a method to correct the
>>picture. BTW the piicture is also in black and white.
>
>
>
>This is a PAL signal using the standard European system of 50 frames, 625
>lines.  The only PROPER way to decode it in color is to use a MULTISYSTEM
>monitor, which is a handy tool for any birdwatcher (I got mine)....
>
>If you don't mind black and white, you can take a cheap B&W TV set, one with
>adjustable Vertical, and set it so the picture stops flipping, then adjust
>the height control to squash in the remaining 100 lines of video, and presto,
>cheap PAL B&W monitor.  This method works fine, but of course if you want
>COLOR, you need the multi standard monitor (or multistandard VCR)
>
>--
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>        GEnie: SIGNALS   FAX: (906) 228-7477    GWN BBS: (906) 228-4399


What about the IRD ? Doesn't it also have to be able to handle a PAL signal ?
I assume that if you buy an IRD in the US it is NTSC only. I have not seen any
multisystem IRDs here in the US.


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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:28:52 EST
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: dish-pricing

>hello, I dont know if this is the appropriate place to ask this
>if not, apologies.   Is a 10 foot fibreglass dish,polar mount,
>feed horn, and wiring to the house worth $150.00 or am I getting
>ripped?


this is a very fair price.

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Subject: Address of Society of Satellite Professionals in USA
From: S.Cathcart@massey.ac.nz (S. Cathcart)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:30:11 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

I am trying to contact the foolowing organisation:

The SOCIETY of SATELLITE PROFESSIONALS in the United States of America.

The address I have been given is below but my letter of enquiry was returned
"not known".
 80S Early Street
Alexandria 22304
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Any help with current address and/or fax number would be very much appreciated.

Kind regards,

Selwyn
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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: LNB For Sale
Organization: DSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:55:34 GMT

While we are posting stuff, I have an LNB of unknown manufacture or temp
(the label is completely faded away). I had it on my system for a while and
it gave me a respectable picture. I replaced it with a 35-degree Gardiner
and really didn't see much (if any difference) so I'll say this one is in 
the 40-degree range.

I know that the 35-degree ones are $59.95 at Shop At Home, so I'll sell
this one for $40, including shipping.

Larry
lesnyd@monsanto.com

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From: duncan@hoser.csd.sgi.com (Duncan Poole)
Subject: Re: VCII PLUS
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:09:54 GMT

In article <1143.159.uupcb@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter)  writes:
|> Everyone knows that the SUN board (a VCII LEGIT CLONE) is wide open, it
|> can get a new dallas board in the near future that will understand the
|> vcii plus, and well, since its wide open, you might see OAK and BMAC
|> come along.  BMAC would be really hard, but OAK should not.
|> 
                     

It's interesting. If I could have, I would have bought a SUN board if
only to exercise my vote against a technological monopoly. But I was
told that the board was no longer available, with rumours about 
pending legal action from GI.

Can anyone verify? Is it possible to buy a SUN board?

Duncan
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From: jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Observations from North Carolina
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:16:48 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

Ron Gomes <rrg@PROLOGIC.COM> writes:

>I've noticed that there's sometimes an additional C-band feed of SUR on
>the Intelsat at about 50 West, at about channel 10 on a (North
>American) domestic receiver.  The strength of the signal varies greatly
>(at least as received in northern New Jersey): sometimes it's almost
>sparkle-free even though it's circularly-polarized and I'm not using an
>international feedhorn (yet).  Other times I can only barely identify
>the signal there, and yet other times I see no signal at all.  It
>appears to duplicate the feed on Panamsat, but I can only barely
>receive the Panamsat feed (which I presume is targeting Central or
>South America).

>Anyway, the SUR signal on the bird at 50 West appears to have started
>encrypting, as reported for the feed on S2.


That 50 degree Intelsat (Intelsat V F6) is in an inclined orbit.  Not
quite as inclined, say, as SBS2 --- you can usually see some kind of a
vestige of a signal on channel 10.  That bird is just there as a backup
in case a trans-Atlantic cable goes down; I have NO idea why SUR's
there.

Also, I think whoever is uplinking SUR to I-506 is picking it up off
Spacenet 2.  When that transponder (S2-22) was running their crawl
advising of impending encryption, so was the one on I-506 (by the way
they seem to have the VCII shut off today, and the crawl going again).

Here's SUR's signal path as I understand it:  programming is assembled,
graphics added, and it is uplinked from Lima to PAS-1.  It's downlinked
in Homestead, FL on PAS1-22 (I think it's a pretty tight beam; I get a
pretty good signal here, much better in fact than the encrypted VCII
signal :).  Homestead removes the Radio Programas subcarrier, adds the
Radio France Internationale subcarrier, the barker channel, encrypts,
then uplinks to S2-22.  Somebody at Intelsat just takes whatever happens
to be on S2-22 and sends it up to I-506; we see it on channel 10 there
when the bird is in the box.

By the way, SUR is a great source of entertainment.  The news from
Brazil (SBT's Telejornal Brasil, anchorman Boris Casoy) is SAME DAY.
Compare that to SCOLA's 7-10 day delay (although if you want to see
Brazilian commercials, you'll have to watch SCOLA; SUR has begun to edit
the newscasts).  On Saturday and Sunday mornings you can watch
"Nubeluz", a kid's show from Peru with two very attractive young female
hostesses.  They put the kids through contests of skill designed by
someone who really doesn't like children very much (sending them through
wind tunnels, constantly throwing them into vats of water, putting them
in kid-sized "hamster balls" and making them run around).  News from
Puerto Rico.  Dominican music videos.  Argentinian comedies.

-- 

           Jay Novello                        jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu
           NCSU Institute for Transportation Research and Education
                         Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
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From: larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr)
Subject: Re: Apologies re: InterMeta course
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:29:00 GMT

I saw this posting on another email group a couple of months ago.
Is this a green golf ball joke or a reverse psychology advertisement
or what?
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:56:11 MEZ
From:         "Wolfgang R. Schulz" <wrs@MCSHH.HANSE.DE>
Subject:      Re: Satellite reception in Europe
              at Nov 21, 92 7:19 pm

Jon Ingi Ingimundarson writes:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've been thinking about buying a satellite receiver but need some
> answers before I decide to go ahead.
>
> Can anyone tell me how whether it is possible legally to buy subscription
> to the closed channels, like the movie channel and the sky stations.
> Or are they only for uk.

Well, Jon, it surely is NOT legal, because the purpose of encryption
is not only to make money, but also to restrict receiption to the UK (yet).
But there are certainly always ways around it, as other netters will
probably be able to tell you more detailed.
>
> I've also been hearing rumors that it's hard to get cnn.  Isn't the
> reception the same for all channels on Astra?

No, not all channels on ASTRA are equal, there are 4 different beams.
MTV, for instance, rented TWO transponders just because of that, to be
certain, they get to every corner of Europe. For CNN receiption
off Intelsat 27.5 W might even work better for you?
>
> For comparrison the normal size of receivers here in Iceland is 1.2 m.

That certainly is a HUGE receiver...Well, never mind.



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From: patenaude@nhtima.enet.dec.com (Roger Patenaude)
Subject: Re: For Sale "me too"
Reply-To: patenaude@nhtima.enet.dec.com (Roger Patenaude)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:30:04 GMT




 I have some used stuff also....

 An old GI receiver with no bells and whistles, no memory, no remote...
 has analog knobs for everything. Has baseband and 70mhz output. Is for 
 use with LNBs'. I upgraded to a KENWOOD 1200P.

 A UNIDEN UST730 Acutator controller w/power supply and remote.

 First $125 takes it (includes shipping)

 Roger.


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From: hew@Turing.ORG (Harold E. Wheaton (N6WUX))
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Opinions on DirecTv SkyCable DBS Stuff
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:39:23 GMT
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Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <YARRI.92Nov16143218@solbol.icrl.mew.mei.co.jp> yarri@icrl.mew.mei.co.jp (Douglas Yarrington) writes:

>I'd like to know if anyone has any opinions on the up coming (1994?)
>release of the DirecTv Direct Broadcast Satallite (DBS) system from Hughes
>et. al.

I'm certainly excited about it because one can use super small (2 foot)
dishes to get it, it will offer many channels (though most I believe is
PPV movie choices), and it will slowly migrate to HDTV as that technology
arrives, making it perhaps the best source of HDTV.

However, I don't know if I'll necessarily subscribe.  It requires specific
hardware for that service (such as the digital decoder/expander) and will
have a monthly fee for the service.

Does anyone know if there's any chance of free (minus necessary hardware
costs) DBS coming in the next few years?  Is free DBS an oxymoron?
					-Harold
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:00:00 EST
From:         "Joe Slater x7534" <SASJZS@VMS.SAS.COM>
Subject:      FWD: Another info article I wrote -- WINTERIZING YOUR DISH

From: "Robert Smathers" <roberts@TRITON.UNM.EDU>
Subject:      Another info article I wrote -- WINTERIZING YOUR DISH

> 6)  Clean out the feedhorn.  I don't have to do this because I
> have a plastic cover over the front of the feedhorn.  If you have
> a feedhorn that is not covered where the metal probes are, then
> you may need to clean out the miscellaneous junk (nests, cobwebs,

BTW -  Watch out for those nests that have wasps attached.

> 7)  Make sure the feedhorn is properly centered.  I do this every
> so often just to make sure I get the maximum performance from my
> system.

How does one (or two) do this? Do you need any special tools?

Thanks,
Joe Slater
sasjzs@vms.sas.com
Mine opinion is just that.
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