From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:55:22 GMT

In article <BuG552.38y@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B.  
Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> This really didn't belong in comp.sys.next.software.  When will
> everyone post to the proper newsgroup?
> 
> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
> >This is comp.sys.NEXT.*  This set of usenet groups is ONE BIG COMMERCIAL  
> >PROMOTION FOR NEXT.  We `push' NeXT sales here.
> 
> You'd better speak for yourself on this one.  "WE" don't do this by
> and large as "we" are NeXT users, for the most part, who speak about
> how to get things done on the NeXT.
>

And that does NOT attract new NeXT purchasers?  From DW:
----
ad ver tise \'ad-ver-,t  z\ vb  -tised; -tis ing
[ME advertisen, fr. MF advertiss-, stem of advertir]
vt
(15c)
1: to make something known to: NOTIFY
2a: to make publicly and generally known advertising their readiness to make  
concessions.
b: to announce publicly esp. by a printed notice or a broadcast
c: to call public attention to esp. by emphasizing desirable qualities so as to  
arouse a desire to buy or patronize
----
Sounds like csn* to me.  

> >To draw a line and say it's ok  
> >to blatantly promote NeXT as a group, but not permit a developer to describe  
> >his NeXT supportive wares here is to draw a line in a far too grey area.
> 
> Firstly, women can write software too.  

A real cheap shot.  Characterizes the rest of your post to me.  English has no  
gender neutral pronouns, (Except perhaps for the newly promoted "hir", not in  
general use).  The male gender has been used, right or wrong, for centuries to  
refer to both genders in areas where gender doesn't matter.  Like here.

> Secondly, No it isn't.  If I
> wish to read a product review pro or con a piece of software, the last
> place I would look would be the author(s) of the software.  

Your opinion, I assume.  Mine might be different.

> I would
> want the review to be as objective as I would try to be about
> comparing what's available to me.  Any remarks from the publisher,
> developer(s) or beta testers (possibly not them, but possibly so)
> would not fall into the category of being objective.  

I assume you must think you are able to judge what is objective and what 
is not for the rest of us.  What power.

> Given this, 

Who said this is given?

> what
> anyone at RightBrain says about RightBrain products is not objective.

No one is completely objective.

> Therefore, I would not want to read them.  

Your choice.  Not mine.

> Let RightBrain ship their
> product and allow reviewers to fully analyze and produce reviews on
> the product.  Then, I will be interested in what they have to say.  If
> a no-save, no-export version is made available on the archives, I will
> review it for myself.

Bully for you.  We all make decisions our own way.

> 
> >NeXT  
> >needs these wares available in order to survive and to maintain the reason
> 
> You act as if RightBrain is the only app developer for the NeXT.

Where did I say that?

> The
> NeXT doesn't have tons of developers making marketable apps, but
> RightBrain is only one of them.  Also, exactly how many people can
> honestly say they have a need for products like LockScreen and Rulers
> when Backspace is free and there's already a ruler that comes with the
> NeXT?

You'll attack them at any level, then?

> 
> >And he ain't taking any orders here, folks.  No mention of price at all.
> 
> So, simply because it hasn't a price yet it (admittedly so by Reynolds) is
> basically the substance of an ad, it isn't an ad?
> 

As is CSN*, as I said before.  My opinion, of course.  You'll find, as you grow  
older, there is no absolute truth.  You'll do better to not promote your  
version as the only one.

> >Fortunately, it seems to me (as always, my opinion only) that the  
complainers
> >while they are loud, are always the same select few.
> 
> So?  What has that to do with anything?

I didn't think you would see that.
> 
> >And I admit I am a loud proponent, there needs to be balance in the  
'coverage'
> 
> There needs to be a balance?  No, decisions need to be made, and
> ultimately RightBrain personnel will make them.

Again, I was referring to the question of "ads" on csn*, not Rightbrain's  
business decisions.

> However, what they do
> will severely cut into their profits if it is the wrong decision.  As
> they have stated, a boycott of them would hurt them.

And we are both trying to help define what that "wrong decision" might be.
> -- 
> -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
> -- No NeXTmail please

Why do you not want NeXTmail?

Jim De Arras