From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Man==animal and dog stuff
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:19:40 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Scott Wood writes:
>You can't prove an animal to be even close to equivalent with man, if the
>only way that a chimp can learn to talk is by being conditioned by man.
>There is no way to prove an animal is equivalent, because they aren't.
>They can't sit down and discuss the concept with you. There are obvious,
>distinct and very profound differences between man and animal.  Anyone
>who can't see this is blind.

A chimp cannot "learn to talk" because its pharynx and larnyx are not suited
for human speech.  That is why they are taught AMESLAN.  I cannot understand
AMESLAN, so, do I assume the deaf are inhuman?  A few times chimps were able
to vocalize the words Mama, Papa, and Cup.  But the problem wasn't that they
wouldn't speak, but that they couldn't......

>Here's an interesting question for you.  If, in fact, an animal has rights,
>does an animal want rights?  (let me answer for you - animals don't want -
>they desire - the become biologically compelled for the things they need
>and then act on instinct to fulfill those urges)

Do you know that they don't want them?  Maybe they when they refuse to do
something you want, they are standing up for their rights.  Would they
want human rights?  Probably not.  Humans can't give themselves human rights
very well it seems......

>`>`For every show dog bought, at least one "common" dog is not adopted
>`>`to become functioning members of that home.......

>`>So what?  Maybe the buyer wanted or preffered a show dog.  A pure dog!
>
>`So what?  Animals are dying needlessly in the name of vanity......
>
>Vanity?  Who said vanity?  Stop accusing me of things I didn't say.  To me,
>its more like common sense.

You didn't say vanity, I did.  All too often animals are needlessly exploited
in the name of greed, vanity, and egotism.

>`>When I hunt, I prefer to succeed.
>`>A good dog is part of that.  
>
>`Why won't a pound animal work?  Many of the film/TV animals are pound animals
>`and appear to do quite well.
>
>How do I know for sure it will?

Can you really be sure?

>`But do you not get any mental stimulation from interacting with an animal?
>
>Only by observing.

Do you play with your dog?  Have you tried to hide a favorite toy from him?
Have you tickled it?  Have you talked to it?  How much is observation and
how much is physical and mental interaction?

>`Doesn't all the talk of pure bloodlines and superior breeding sound a little
>`too familiar and scary?
>
>To human life yeah!  Human life is more valuable than animal life!

Then let's kill all the animals and be done with them once and for all!!!!!
They are drinking our water, eating our food, using our land!!!  They
are a nuisance and should all be destroyed!!!!!!!!!
(sarcasm)

>... creatures don't obey laws, citizens do....

Sometimes citizens do and sometimes they don't.  Do you know a dog isn't
obeying dog laws or are you too dumb to understand the dogs?

Rob U,  see quote below

"If the fact that brutes abstract not be made the distinguishing property
 of that sort of animal, I fear a great many of those that pass for men
 must be reckoned into their numbers."
                                - Bishop George Berkeley (1710)
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-       Rob Unglenieks             REAL race cars DON'T wear BOWTIES       -
-     "Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle           -
-      of compassion to embrace all living creatures."                     -
-                           -  Albert Einstein                             -
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