From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Dream characters with their own minds
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:39:57 GMT

In article <gj156879.722116773@cunews> gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>          While stumbling through the library looking for interesting
>articles on dreams, I came across the following which blew me away:
> 
>          "Consciousness and Abilities of Dream Characters Observed
>During Lucid Dreaming", Perceptual and Motor skills, 1989, vol 68(2)
>pages 567-578
> 
>          What happened in this experiment was assigning dream
>characters certain tasks to see how they would respond.  The tasks
>consisted of having the characters:
>          -draw or write something opposite or upside down from where
>the dream ego stands
>          -naming an unknown word (unknown to the dream ego) or
>finding a rhyming word for a word.  (The unknown word is in another
>language, so the dream ego doesn't know what it means).
>          -get a rhyming verse from the character
>          -math problems, simple and complicated (not solved by ego in
>advance, if possible)
>
>          So they had 92 lucid dreamers report in...  The results were
>given in descriptive blurbs that were extremely entertaining (if you
>happen to be nuts about lucid dreams, like myself) so I recommend you
>go hunt it down, but here's a summary of sorts:
> 
>          -dream characters SUCK at math.  They couldn't do anything
>beyond 6 times 6, I believe.
>          
>          -dream characters seem to learn.  If you try to root them to
>the spot by staring at them in the dream, they sometimes will appear
>later in the dream wearing a hood, or some other eye-blocking thing.
>Apparently there are cases where the character will appear in a FUTURE
>dream wearing a hood.
>
>          -there are cases of dream characters TELLING people they are
>dreaming, and causing the dreamer to go lucid!
>
>          -a neat description of a woman who learned how to enter a
>dream character's body by "astrally projecting" from her dream body.
>
>          -dream characters seem to act as if they have their own
>intentions and feelings, so the author (Tholey) suggests you treat
>them as such.  They do get peeved if you try and tell them they're
>just dream, and will often say "Maybe YOU're just dream!"
>
>          -discussion can usually avoid violence with a character.
>They seem ready to listen and to say their piece.
>
>          -Tholey discusses the threat of becoming MPD by focussing on
>inidividual dream characters and trying to make them reapear in future
>dreams, but he goes on to say there has been some dream work with
>MPDers where the subsystems communicate in dream.
>
>          -There was also a tantalizing hint at the very end of the
>article about a device that would allow for talking back and forth,
>one person IN dream, the other awake!  Tholey says this is using an
>alterred form of a lucid dream inducing device.  Anybody have a clue
>what he's talking about?
>
>          Anyway, that's what I got out of it.  I recommend hunting it
>down if any of the above makes you drool as much as I did when I found
>it.
> 
>                                        Nik
>


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