From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:06:17 GMT

In article <dlhanson.21.724970319@nap.amoco.com> dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson) writes:
>          It does not go without saying that much of what is being
>     taught as "truth" and "fact" in schools today is directly con-
>     trary to measurable scientific thought and Biblical veracity.

Please give 1 example of anything being taught in public schools that is
directly contrary to measurable scientific thought. I'm only asking for one
now---it shouldn't be hard to do. 

>          The following letter is a model by which you may legally
>     inform your school officials of your rightful desires with respect
>     to the education of your child.  Read it carefully; then copy and
>     submit it to your local school officials.  Be certain that they
>     NOT BE ALLOWED TO IGNORE your request for a copy of their "policy
>     statement on procedures for parental permission requirements."
>     This is your right under the law!

The school my daughter attends hands copies of policy prodedures to anyone
and everyone who wants one. No special request form is needed. If there are
schools who's policies are different then that would be a concern. Can you
name any schools that resist giving parents of their students such documents?

>                      MODEL HATCH AMENDMENT LETTER
>
>     (Parents' names)________________________________________
>     (Address)_______________________________________________
>     (City, State, Zip)______________________________________
>
>          I am the parent of __________________, who attends
>     ____________ school.  Under U.S. legislation and court decision,
>     parents have the primary responsibility for their children's
>     education, and pupils have certain rights which the schools may
>     not deny.

>          Parents have the right to be assured that their children's
>     beliefs and moral values are not undermined by the schools.
>     Pupils have their right to have and to hold their values and moral
>     standards without direct or indirect manipulations by the schools
>     through the curricula, textbooks, audio-visual materials or
>     supplementary assignments.

Agreed completely. Schools should be in the education business and not the
morals business.

>          Under the Hatch Amendment, I hereby request that my child NOT
>     be involved in any school activities or material listed below
>     unless I have first reviewed all the relevant materials and have
>     given my written consent for their use:

>          Psychological and psychiatric treatment that is designed
>          to affect behavioral, emotional or attitudinal character-
>          istics of an individual or designed to elicit information
>          about attitudes, habits, traits, opinions, beliefs or
>          feelings of an individual or group;

Does this include any programs that are designed to enhance a students self-
esteem? What about students that may have behavioral/emotional problems that
hamper learning?

>          Values clarification, use of moral dilemmas, discussion of
>          religious or moral standards, role-playing or open-ended
>          discussions of situations involving moral issues, and sur-
>          vival games including life/death decision exercises;

This would be opposed to asking your child to put themselves in the position
of a minority or other person who might be dicrimanated against, or discussions
of why it would be wrong to treat someone badly just because they are different
then yourself. (Skin color, culture, religion etc..)

>          Contrived incidents for self-revelation; sensitivity train-
>          ing, group encounter sessions, talk-in, magic circle
>          techniques, self-evaluation and auto-criticism; strategies
>          designed for self-disclosure including the keeping of a diary
>          or a journal or a log book;

Yes GOD FORBID that a student might learn to express their feelings. We all
know how that devil diary has ruined a many young child.

>          Sociograms, sociodrama; psychodrama; blindfolded walks;
>          isolation techniques.

Blindfolded walks??? Once agian GOD FORBID that a student might be made to
use some of his GOD given senses besides sight.

>          Death education, including abortion, euthanasia, suicide, use
>          of violence, and discussions of death and dying;

You must be right here. Why in the world we would want childern to think that
someday death will enter their lives. Probalby not their own at first, of 
course the fact that dealing with a loved ones death is about the most 
tramitic thing a person can be asked to do.

>          Curricula pertaining to drugs and alcohol;

Why educated students about what drug use can do to them? After all they can
find out for themselves after trying it out. They might even learn something
---if they live.

>          Nuclear war, nuclear policy and nuclear classroom games;
>
>          Globalism, one-world government or anti-nationalistic
>          curricula;

Yep good idea to stay away from anything concerning world politics. Might
learn something about this country that ain't pretty. And that globalism
stuff---why the very thought that all humans live on the same globe sounds
like blasphmy. 

>          Discussion and testing on interpersonal relationships;
>          discussions of attitudes towards parents and parenting;

>          Educating in human sexuality, including pre-marital sex,
>          extra-marital sex, contraception, abortion, homosexuality,
>          group sex and marriages, prostitution, incest, bestiality,
>          masturbation, divorce, population control, and roles of males
>          and females; sex behavior and attitudes of student and
>          family;

For sure---kids don't need to know about sex. Intil sex ed. there was no such
thing as teen pregancies. Of course if you beleive that then you're as stupid
as this document.

>          Pornography and any materials containing profanity and/or
>          sexual explicitness;

You know in the 100s of combined years that me and my family and friends have
gone to public schools not once have I heard of any of us seeing even a clip
or picture of porn. Please tell us just exactly which school/s have porn
materials in their classrooms---I'll be glad to be one of the 1st to take
steps to make them stop.

>          Guided fantasy techniques; hypnotic techniques; imagery and
>          suggestology;

There we go agian. I mean really---teaching a child to use their imagination,
think of what could happen. I mean worse case they could become an artist!!!

>          Organic evolution, including Darwin's theory;

That's right---none of that scientific stuff that isn't provable by reading
the Bible. AAHhhhh that would be MY version of the Bible and none other.

>          Discussions of witchcraft, occultism, the supernatural, and
>          Eastern mysticism;

Especially that Eastern mysticism, someone might find out that there are
religions with followings that make Christianity look like small street gangs.

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If this ain't a prime example of using the name of God to spread bigotory and
to maintain ignorance then there just ain't never been one.

Over and over there have been posts saying how public schools are teaching our
childern everything from sex w/ chickens to devil worship. Yet never once has
a particular school been named. This document is just another example of
of a right wing religious fanatical group over-reacting to its own ignorance.
I am not saying that you should go out and turn your child loose into a school
and hope for the best. Being a parent I take great pains to be involved in my 
childern's education. If you are not aware of what your child is and isn't
GOING to be taught before hand that's your own damn fault. A concerned parent
would make sure what was happening with their child. There is no doubt that
some public schools are better then others and their is always reasons for
parents to be concerned about their childern but I beleive that parents going 
off the deap end(such as we have just seen)will only harm a child menatally,
emotionally and socialy.
In short I love my childern much too much to even take such a document
seriously.

Stan Knight
|"God uses the good ones and the bad ones use God."---Jimmy Steward| 
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