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From: mir@opera.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: MT-32 patches
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:46:12 GMT
Reply-To: mir@opera.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski)
Organization: Chorus systemes, Saint Quentin en Yvelines, France

In article <5362@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong) writes:
%% In article <Btww6s.Hy9@acsu.buffalo.edu> beers@acsu.buffalo.edu (Andrew Beers) writes:
%% >
%% 2  Acoustic Piano 2
%% [...]
%% 118 Taiko
%% >
%% >Thanks in advance.
%% -- 
%% Raymond K. Wong                                 

It is kind of Raymond, but you can have ALL the patch names
by simply looking into the Windows 3.1 MIDI Mapper (or kind
of), which contains also General MIDI patch names.

-- 
Adam Mirowski,  mir@chorus.fr (FRANCE),  tel. +33 (1) 30-64-82-00 or 74
Chorus systemes, 6, av.Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines CEDEX
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Wayne Francis)
Subject: SongWright Question
Originator: pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:46:54 GMT

      I'm wondering how to incorporate symbols created in the symbol
library into the file containing the piece of music.

Thanks
Wayne F.
pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca
From: i8ao043@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (Burt Heymanson)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Tequila MOD????
Summary: Tequila MOD file??
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:58:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Swinburne University of Tech., Melbourne, Australia.


	Please, if anyone out there in internet land has a MOD file of the tune Tequila, or perhaps even some kind of other sound format of it, could you send it... I'm finding it hard enough to get this track on CD, so I thought perhaps YOU might be able to help..

			Thanks IA,
					Burt..
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott)
Subject: Re: Midi player for DOS
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:20:41 GMT

David.Rawsthorne@f812.n623.z3.fidonet.org (David Rawsthorne) writes:
: Hello everyone, I am after a PD MIDI program that will play, save, and
: allow editing of .MID files. 

Try playpak - exactly what you need. Available ftp from ucsd.edu as
playpak.exe. Shareware for US$50-00.

Newsgroups: comp.music
From: meyer@uuisis.isis.org (Katherine Meyer)
Subject: re: Fax # for Breitkopf...
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 11:36:05 GMT

I got the Information.
Thanks
Katherine
MEYERE@UUISIS.ISIS.ORG
From: nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Simon NUNIS)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:17:30 GMT
Subject: LimeLight...
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: comp.music

Hi everyone!

I just saw an ad in KEYBOARD regarding a PC sequencer called LimeLight by
BeBop systems.  Has anyone seen/used/heard about this sequencer?

If you have, then please send me email.

Thanks

simon ;)

nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: phelisto@vipunen.hut.fi (Panu Helist|)
Subject: Finale and SCORE prices?
Summary: Information on street prices of FINALE and SCORE wanted.
Keywords: notation software prices
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:22:23 GMT

I would very much appreciate information on bargain prices of the
above mentioned notation programs for PC. If I understand, they
are the best programs available.

I would appreciate also the fax number of the reseller (which hopefully
is willing to deliver to Finland). In Finland they sell Finale for almost
1300 $.


Thank you in advance

Panu Helisto (phelisto@vipunen.hut.fi)
From: sdl@engr.uark.edu (Steven Lovelady)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: suntoVOC
Summary: need sun audio to VOC converter
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:07:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.1992Sep4.190751.13858
Organization: University of Arkansas

Does anyone know where I can get a program via FTP that converts sun .au audio files to .VOC files
for my Soundblaster and vice versa?  Thanks in advance.

Steve.
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: meyer@uuisis.isis.org (Katherine Meyer)
Subject: *NEW* FAX # for Breitkopf und Haertel, WIESBADEN needed
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 00:26:05 GMT


Hi.

Does any one have the *CURRENT* fax number for Breitkopf und Haertel in
   *WIESBADEN*??

I have a fax number for them, 611-4903-59 but it does not seem
to be valid anymore (I get the German Operator).  I am prefixing the fax #
with the proper dialing codes.  I spoke to the German Operator and they have
a new Phone number but their new fax number is not listed with them.  The
fax number that I am trying to use is in published books up to 1992 so they
must have changed the number pretty recently.

So if anyone has the new fax number I really need it...

Please e-mail to me directly.

Thanks, for your help

Katherine

MEYER@UUISIS.ISIS.ORG
From: mussa@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Question and flame(?)
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:42:30 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University


First of all a question
I have seen mention of the group rec.music.compose
If this exists, can someone point out where it exists as an archive as it does
not appear on our newsserver...
 
Secondly a statement (read flame)
I can understand the excitement generated by the Falcon 030, particularly
with reference to its (apparent) potential  in sound processing..but the 
discussion on graphics modes seems to  question the relevance of this 
group..which seems to discuss music minimally anyway..or am I reading 
the wrong group ??
From: tass@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Charles Tassoni)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: SoundBlaster
Keywords: ear-training
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:57:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	I'm thinking of using the SoundBlaster to write a simple ear-training
program.  The program will present randomly generated intervals (sounded 
sequentially or simultaneously) and the user strikes a key to register his
guess about what interval was sounded.  The program will run on an XT.  I 
haven't bought SoundBlaster yet, and won't unless I'm sure I'll be able to 
write this program using it.  Does anyone know if the SoundBlaster is capable 
of doing this?  If not, do you know of any other products that will do the 
job?  It would be especially convenient if I could use whatever product is 
applicable to interface with the QuickBasic program I've already written.  
That program presents intervals, but the tones are IBM squarewaves, and tones
can't be sounded simultaneously.   
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps)
Subject: Re: SoundQuest Ed/lib and MT-32
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:51:47 GMT

rtaylor@hns.com (Randy Taylor) writes:

>Also, I'm a bit confused about the number of entries in the patch bank.
>They are labeled A-11 thru A-18, A-21 thru A-28...A-81 thru A-88,
>followed by B-11...B-88, for a total of 128 - yes that's the number
>of patches in an MT-32, and A must be ROM A, B must be ROM B....
>but what about RAM ?  I thought there were only 8 parts to worry about
>in the Patch Bank...

Hi again!

It's quite complicated. The MT-32 has 8 slots for storage of
currently-available voices (excluding the Rhythm channel), 64 slots of
RAM (referred to as "M" in Dr.T's Atari-based editor) that can be
assigned into the patch bank, and 64+64+53(?) slots of ROM ditto: A, B
and R.

The patch bank memory has 128 entries, one for each MIDI programme
number. Each one can point to any location in ROM A, ROM B, RAM or
Rhythm.  At switch-on, the 128 entries are mapped to A and B, giving
the 128 preset voices.

You can survive mostly ignoring the patch bank memory, unless you want
to change voices rapidly while playing - I.e. quicker than a Sys.Ex.
takes to download a voice into one of the 8 working memories.

Where I've put custom voice into a song file, I've just used a direct
Sys Ex download to the working memory before the music begins.

A MIDI programme change looks at the corresponding address in the patch
bank list, and uses it as a pointer to the appropriate ROM or RAM voice
entry.  This is copied into one of the 8 working memories, and the
sound changes fairly instantly.

Ian
-- 
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Milton Road, Cambridge, CB4 4WA, England.		Phax  +44 223 426868
	The road to hell is paved with melting snowballs - Larry Wall
From: wai@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Wai Westra)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:26:04 GMT
Subject: SoundBlaster Editor
Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division
Newsgroups: comp.music

Does anyone know how to delete a single node from the SoundBlaster Pro
Editor.  So far, I can only delete one to multiple bars.  I want to be
able to delete one node and have the rest of the nodes shift forward.
From: hirata@icot.or.jp (Keiji Hirata)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Machine Tongues XI
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:14:07 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Institute for New Generation Computer Technology, Tokyo, Japan

Hello,

In what volume and number of CMJ can I find the article "Machine Tongues XI"?
I'd like to know the pages, too.  

Thanks in advance.
Keiji Hirata (ICOT)
From: jk75+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeffrey C Kunins)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: FTP sites, please!!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:01:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ged19da00VBAM60kNe
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi all...

Can someone post a list of anonymous FTP sites for demos, public domain
software (editors/librarians, etc.).  I keep hearing about them, but no
list of sites has been posted recently to my knowledge. Thanks a bunch!

							Jeff 

Normality is the flagship of the uncreative...

S mile
M ore
I n
L aughing
E nchantment

Jeff C. Kunins
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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott)
Subject: Re: Composing & notation software... help me!
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:16:59 GMT

tardif@montmorency.ulaval.ca (Pierre-Martin Tardif) writes:
: Hi !
: 	I bought a Roland SCC-1 card to compose music and
: I wonder which software I should use ?????
: 
ftp demos from ucsd.edu - demos of finale, score, music printer plus,
ballade etc etc. available (though some are old). (midi/software/ibmpc

windows programs available from ftp.cica.indiana.edu in the pub/win31/sound
directory.

My program of choice is Music Printer PLus.
From: stoffler@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Where can I find MOD songs?
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:44:23 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

In article <1685411ECA.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:
> 
>  
> Does anyone know where I can find some MOD songs?  FTP or otherwise. Thanks.
>  

Just try Info.brad.ac.uk

they have tons of MOD's....




Daniel Stoffler
Stoffler@urz.unibas.ch
Biozentrum Basel
From: conley@uservx.plk.af.mil
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: ensoniq sofware
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:58:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: uservx.1992Aug26.075855.35874
Organization: Phillips Laboratory - Kirtland AFB

In article <1992Aug26.072729.20603@reks.uia.ac.be>,
dbruyne@reks.uia.ac.be (Karel De Bruyne) writes:

> Hi there,
> 
> I'm thinking about buying an ensoniq-sampler and am looking
> for some information about downloading some samples (where
> what files, ...) and what software I need to transfer these
> samples to the sampler.
> 
> Is there a way to read/write ensoniq-diskettes on PC/MAC/Amiga ?
> Is there software to modify the samples on one of these 
> machines ?
> 
> Any other information is also welcome...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Karel De Bruyne
> Computer Center
> University of Antwerp (UIA)
> Belgium

There is an active mailing list of EPS and EPS-16 PLUS users maintained
at reed.edu [134.10.2.45].  A topic of considerable interest to the mailing
list over the past few months is the transfer of EPS floppy diskettes between
the EPS and personal computers of various types.  Public domain samples are
traded via FTP with a server there using software to read/write EPS floppies
by personal computer; software for reading/writing EPS floppies on DOS and
other machines is available as well.  You can get information about all of
this by becoming a subscriber to this mailing list.

To subscribe to the mailing list, send e-mail requesting subscription to

     eps-request@reed.edu

   Bob Conley
   conley@uservx.plk.af.mil
   (505) 846-4660
From: rosensta@spade.rutgers.edu (Michael "Trott" Rosenstark)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Wincake question
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:34:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Just use cut and paste, but select the Event filter.

mike
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Creative Labs (was Re: <None>)
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:59:36 EDT

In article <13602.2aa418a2@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> Does anyone have the current mailing address for Creative Labs? I
> sent them an order and my letter got returned with the notice
> 'AUTHORIZED FORWARDING TIME HAS EXPIRED'.
> 
> Please help!
> 
> -Garrett
> 
> P.S. The address I sent to was 131 S Maple Ave #6, South San Fran CA 94080
> 
> 
> 

Oops. Forgot to give this thread a title...

-Garrett
From: root@agon2.sublink.org (Paolo Tortiglione)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: RAVEL
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:15:10 GMT
Organization: Paolo Tortiglione - Acoustics & Computer Music Productions

diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott) writes:

> I talked to him - he doesn't have a copy of it any more. Do you?

No! I've only the PC version!
Best wishes,
Paolo Tortiglione
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From: ak751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Saltzman)
Subject: Desperate for help with Performer 2.31
Reply-To: ak751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Saltzman)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 05:54:13 GMT


How do I create songs out of sequences with this antique?  I can create
seperate sequences easily enough, but when I want to play several
sequences serially to create a song I become quite angry and frustrated
- there doesnt seem to be a way to do this.  Please help...

thanks in advance,
-mark
From: mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam MIROWSKI)
Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Roland
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:33:14 GMT
Followup-To: comp.music
Organization: Chorus systemes, Paris, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz) writes:
: Does anyone here think that it is possible that Roland will make some sort of
: external sound module for the Scc-1 (That plugs into the MIDI Port), that will
: pick up and play MT-32 SysEx codes?  Does one already exist?
: If so, what's it called?

You are funny... What other device can it be if not a MT-32
(or its compatibles CM-32L and CM-64)? A CM-32L can now be
bought new very cheap, at least here in France, and that is
how I got mine.

BTW, the CM-500 is a Sound Canvas and a CM-32L in a single box.
It can also emulate a CM-64 or a CM-32P in the same way
in which the Sound Canvas emulates the CM-32L.

The problem is that the CM-500 has no external controls
except volume knob, and no external indicators except
Power On and Midi Message. It doesn't also have Audio In.

-- 
Adam Mirowski,  mir@chorus.fr (FRANCE),  tel. +33 (1) 30-64-82-00 or 74
Chorus systemes, 6, av.Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines CEDEX
Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.mac,alt.emusic,comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: Jonathan A. Duke <jonathan@hermes.bc.edu>
Subject: Re: WANTED: SCSI Guru
Organization: Boston College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:53:51 GMT

Subject: WANTED: SCSI Guru
From: Steven Clark, sclark@ocf.berkeley.edu
In article <17ga7iINN813@agate.berkeley.edu> Steven Clark,
sclark@ocf.berkeley.edu writes:
>I am attempting to set up a SCSI chain with a Macintosh LC, a Syquest
>Removable Disk Drive, and and Ensoniq EPS 16 + Turbo sampler. The idea
>is to have one cartridge formatted by the Mac and one by the Ensoniq 
>so I can use the Syquest to back up both machines without continually
>reconnecting cables. Both the Mac and the Ensoniq are internally 
>terminated, and the Syquest, when terminated, works fine with one or 
>the other connected. But when I remove the termination from the 
>Syquest and connect both Mac and Ensoniq, the Mac won't boot up. 
>
>Does anyone out there have any suggestions? What would happen if I were
>to try  hooking up both devices to the drive and leave the drive 
>terminated? Would this be dangerous to my computer? 

Easy problem:  Both the Mac & the sampler are SCSI ID 7.  Bad things
happen when you have multiple IDs on a SCSI bus.

Jon
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799!!!!!
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:06:37 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <1992Sep1.052243.15525@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  writes:
>In article <Z1V7PB8w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> troy@bluemoon.rn.com (Troy  
Fridley) writes:
> [referring to graphics modes on the Atari]
>
>and lastly.. there are compability modes for ST Low, ST Medium, and ST
>High on both VGA monitors and SC1224 monitors. (On a color monitor, ST
>High is achieved by using the interlace mode).
>
>Also, the ST Monochrome monitor (the SM124) will work with Falcon030 as
>well. However, it only supports one resolution: ST High Resolution.


Oh, HECK!

Do you mean to tell me that the Falcoln, a BRAND NEW MACHINE, is STILL  
using locked-size screen graphics modes?

Er...sorry.  Got out of hand there...

Look, the Mac and the NeXT and a good number of graphics workstations use  
a system where the programs and much of the operating system have no idea  
what size or shape screen they are using, or how many bits per pixel.   
This allows, for example, the Mac to do nifty things like have three  
different monitors together, all of different size, shape, and color  
depth.  The programs never know.

The problem with a locked design is that it is...locked.  If you want a  
bigger screen than the maximum allotted one, TOO BAD.  That's what has  
forced IBM to go through successive iterations of monochrome, CGA, EGA,  
VGA, SVGA, XGA, etc.  Because every time the MS-DOS world needs a better  
graphics size, it has to overhaul the entire graphics system in the  
computer.

Many of us were hoping Falcons would have an extendible design, which  
would allow, for example, cool things like NeXTSTEP running on the Atari  
for $799.  Oh, well...  :(

--

Sean Luke
Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
From: lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Roland
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:57:10 GMT
Reply-To: lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

When I had posted the original message, I hadn't realized that the MT-32 was
external.  But still, the SCC-1 has all of the MT-32 sound effects, it just
needs the SysEx messages of the MT-32.  So it would be nice if they sold
JUST the SysEx part of the MT-32.
Do you think this is possible/likely?
From: lebrun@ll.mit.edu (Steven F. LeBrun)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: MIDI books for programmers
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:30:00 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington, MA

I am interested in setting up an IBM compatible PC with a MIDI interface.
What I would like to know is what books are available that describe the
MIDI from a programming point of view?

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Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.synth
From: nmurrayr@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Yamaha RX-8 Sysex dump format?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:37:14 GMT

   I have a Yamaha RX-8 rhythm unit, but the manual gives little information
about the sysex dump format. I'd like to be able to to things like create
a rhythm in MIDI format and send it out to the RX-8. Anyone got information
on the format?

Thanks,

 .....Ron

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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: dhollis@nuchat.sccsi.com (Daniel Hollis)
Subject: Roland sound canvas MIDI files
Organization: Houston Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 06:57:21 GMT

Does anyone know a FTP site for MIDI files for either the Roland
Sound Canvas, or MT-32?? Or for that matter, does anyone know a FTP
site for *ANY* MIDI files?

Newsgroups: comp.music
From: icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking)
Subject: Re: Music Time
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:37:06 GMT

In <1992Sep1.124243.4441@bb1t.monsanto.com> cksnod@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:

>In article <BttxyM.FGH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, psr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ben the Crafter) writes:
>> Anyon ehave Passport's Music Time?
>> I'm thinking of getting this program but would like to see it in operation first so I can make sure it suits my needs.

>There's a demo version of this Macintosh notation software available from 
>the MIDI forum in CompuServe.  It's fully functional except you can't save 
>or print.

I do not understand that there are notation software demos which cannot print.
I have a Finale-Demo which cannot print, too. At least these demos should
be able to print a demo-file! I want to look at a printed output and in
addition want to know how long it takes to print a page.

Just yesterday I stopped further looking at a demo version (of ???) when
I saw that printing of a demo-page had not finished after 10 to 15 minutes
(486/25 HP-Laserjet II). 

Werner
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