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From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Comfort girls?
Date: 2 Jan 93 08:57:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i3ldfINNsor
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <C07Hnr.9oG@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <RHB.93Jan1204609@world.std.com> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
>>In article <C072K8.3p4@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>
>>
>>   physically forced in former case, it was finacailly, or dietorily forced 
>>   in the later case. By " finacailly, or dietorily", I mean, in the example of 
>>   occupied germany, japan, and vietnam, local people were not supplied(generated)
>>    enough food, or welth, while G.I. had plentity, local young femal had to do
>>   it for servival.
>>------------------
>>
>>It can be proven that the Japanese used sex as a weapon in this case.
>>If you presume also to accuse the U.S. in this way, however, you are
>>guilty of a material fallacy of logic known as "post hoc ergo propter
>>hoc," i.e. "after this, therefore because of this." You are assuming
>>that just because prostitution did exist in the occupied countries
>>that it existed *by design of the victorious forces* (not all of which
>>were U.S., incidentally), which contention was not proven, merely
>>stated.  Until you can find a "smoking gun" that links prostitution in
>Tow points:
>  1. When authority did nothing or little to discourage the wrong doing like
>   prostition, which  had degrading effect on local people, it becomes 
>   encouraging practivally. 
>  2. The prostitutions in those occupied nations were mainly one directional:
>   G.I.s have sex with local young femal. It served the politcal purpose--to
>   degrade the locals. It is not so relevent whether U.S. military had
>  directive to encourage prostition. Ofcourse, if such directive is revealed
>to the public it helps. Even there was one, it must be top classified.



This is dragging on and on. The original point was that the American
government shouldn't and hasn't been accused of any sex crimes because
it did not DIRECTLY support the use of sex brothels for American soldiers.
This is at the center of the issue in Japan, where the government is 
being probed to see what role it had in either DIRECTLY supporting the
use of brothels for its soldiers or not.

What the original poster (way back) said was that the U.S. is a larger
criminal of sex crimes than Japan being the large amount of Amerasian
children born to American servicemen. However, I disagreed because,
although many servicemen did have sex with the local people, they were
not encouraged to do so by the American government (in contrary to the
Japanese, or so is being argued right now). Therefore, the American
government cannot be blamed more than the Japanese government for 
past sex crimes.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: NHK Dramas on Videotape?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:54:27 GMT

In article <C01zxL.6xp@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>As quoted from <PRENER.92Dec24025058@prener.watson.ibm.com> by prener@watson.ibm.com (Dan Prener):
>
>> In article <27402@sybase.sybase.com> herb@sybase.com (Herb Lison) writes:
>> 
>> > Does anyone know if NHK Dramas are available on videotape?  When
>> > living in the San Francisco area recently I noticed that a UHF
>> > station, Channel 26, had these programs on regularly with English
>> > sub-titles.   The programs were very high quality and a real pleasure
>> > to watch (except for the frequent commercial interruptions.)
>> 
>> > The ones I'd like to obtain most are "Nobunaga, King of Zipangu"
>> > and one about Ashikaga Takauji (forgot the series name).
>> 
>> In the New York area, the tapes are available for rent from some local
>> Japanese grocery/general stores.
>> 
>When I lived in Chicago during '84-'86, Ch. 26 showed a number of NHK serials.
>I have most of Miyamoto Mushashi.

Also, Kinokuniya will order them for you. Not cheap, though.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
one disagreeing is obviously either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally-
deficient, weak-willed, inconsequential, namby-pamby tool of some vague but
conveniently defined conspiracy, or b) my wife.
From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Comfort girls?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:52:34 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu
Keywords: rape of nangking

In article <1992Dec28.143403.8912@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com 
(barbara.tongue) writes:

  >just recently i read about the rape of nangking and the japanese use
  >of "comfort girls" (women forced into prostitution for the soldiers).
  >amazingly (maybe not), my high school education never revealed this
  [stuff deleted]
  >i'm interested in knowing all sides of the issues.  any information
  >is greatly appreciated.  does japan teach its students about this

Just to add my $0.02.  This may be graphic, so if you don't wish to read
on, hit next...

My grandfather on my mother's side was used for biological and drug 
testing by the Japanese during their occupation of China.  He died 
when my mother was only six.  I have another relative who was also 
tortured to death by means of repetitive filling of his stomach 
with a water hose and then stepping on his belly.  My father at the age
of around 10, witnessed many Chinese who were buried alive vertically 
up to their necks.  Slowly the dirt around the prisoners would be 
trampled and packed to force the blood to their heads.  Then an axeman 
would be used to deal a death blow to the head which would usually 
result is a shower of blood.  Sadly, this method of torture and 
execution was later adopted by the communists.

Somewhat ironically, my maternal grandfather was an artist trained in 
Japan and one of the best painters of water-colour Tigers in his time.
The majority of his best works were abducted by the Japanese when they
left the mainland, however a number of his paintings are still within my
grandmother's possession or in various collections in Hong Kong.  There
is a fully-illustrated colour softbound book of his remaining works 
which was available about 6 years ago. His name is Wu Cho Bun (in Cantonese)
and in case anybody runs into any of his paintings in Japan, my 
Grandmother would like them back.  Contact me via email at the above
address.

Jaa, James
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From: yoshi@hpjsdo.kobe.hp.com (Kazuo Yoshizaki)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:42:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: HP Asia Pasific Product Operations - Kobe, Japan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan

Reading all these postings, I remembered the similar incident happened in 1989 
when Notre Dame and the University of Miami came to play in the Mirage Bowl
football game. (Jim Kelly was the QB.)
It was reported in the news paper that someone from U of M stole a Gold bracelet
from a jewellry shop in the hotel they stayed. The bracelet was later returned
with an apology from the University president.
Considering that they came from a country of burglary protections, detectors
and sensors, I wonder they shoplifted because we have poor protections and they 
just wanted to see what would happen.

K. Yoshizaki (yoshi@hpjsdo.kobe.hp.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c)
Subject: Re: A DIARY OF DISGRACE
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:55:11 GMT




GOSH,

It seems from this post that the US is a large part of 'the world'. :)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: brainwashed
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:26:55 GMT


To Rebecca Radnor:
Thanks for posting a thoughtful article.
I share your opinion, and was thinking of posting a similar article
(perhaps in a bit harsher tone); though I choose not to since the
major points were fully covered by yours.

To Shirley Cheung:
Your posts, even not counting the last one, contains lines that are
quite disturbing (me including).  These were uncalled for,
and obscured (rather than reinforced) your mainline argument.
Furthermore, you have not responded to the replies (sensible ones, flames
together) to develop a line of argument, but seem to be speaking only in
your own small world.
You could have done better.

-YH
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:12730 misc.education:5494 sci.edu:1252
From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,misc.education,sci.edu
Subject: education & a philosophical tangent
Summary: theory of self perception catagories and it's impact on learning
Keywords: education, japan, mind
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:16:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Distribution: usa
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ


This is a philosophical musing, in comparison to the heated & earnest 
discussions about the state of our educational system.

How do people identify with oneself?  I'm refering to one of three
broad possibilities/catagories in my makeshift system.
	1. with one's mind, ie., thoughts equate with self
		"I think, therefore I am." "My thoughts make me the
		person I am." "My perception of myself, is based on
		the character of my thoughts" "My mind is the only
		enduring thing", etc...
	2. with one's body, ie., physical body equates with self
		"Who I see in the mirror is who I am" "I am pretty/ugly
		and therefore [am really] a good/bad person"  
		"appearance is everything or most important"
		"I judge other people based on their appearances," etc...
	3. with a roughly equal administration of both extremes of thought.

It would follow that people who are mostly type 1, will think of self
improvement, through intellectual pursuits & efforts to improve one's 
intelligence or mind (or soul)  ie. learning a new language, 
reading a book, getting an advanced degree, etc.

It would seem that people who are mostly type2, will not have same level  
of motivation for intellectual pursuits.  Self improvement will be seen
in improving one's body and appearance.  
-- note a potential imprisioning
effect that this mode of self identification can have on women, if carried
to an extreme. (for example, the psychology of anorexia)

It seems that there are a plethora of social messages (for example, in 			television)
              espousing type 2
thinking, especially aimed at teenagers and young adults.
And almost none, espousing type 1 thinking.

I seriously doubt that there are even a handful of type 2's.  These are
two different poles that represent different modes of self identification.
And I think that almost everybody is nearer the equator than the extremes.  
Nor am I passing judgement on type 1 or type 2 id.
Judgement will automatically be passed by what one identifies as important

To rephrase myself:
If one identifies oneself with one's mind, then self improvement will most
	likely be thought of as improving one's mind.
If one identifies oneself with one's body, then self improvement will most
	likely be thought of as improving one's body.

I believe that in a senario where the economic currency is intellectual 
proficiency, rather than physical labor, then it makes no sense 
for the abundance of peer pressure images and messages aimed at the young
that espouses type 2 mode, and derides the type 1 thinking.


Don't blame the teachers, it's a deeper problem.  Let's get it fixed. 


---John S. Park, UMDNJ-RWJmed, Rutgers NJ, jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu



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From: dirceu@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (Dirceu G. Cavendish Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: America Doesn't have a Clue (was Say Yes to Japan)
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Date: 23 Dec 92 05:47:18 GMT
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Tech., Iizuka, JAPAN.
	<1992Dec17.123430.24528@hellgate.utah.edu> <3326@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>
	<BzH7uq.CEu@ncube.com> <1992Dec20.134441.5019@hellgate.utah.edu>
	<thomasd.43.724959919@tps.COM> <7556@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: mikan.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp
In-reply-to: blamb@hri.com's message of 22 Dec 92 19:05:14 GMT

In article <7556@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:

 >Japanese business is aggressive and effective, it's true.
 >However, the goals as stated above are not their goals
 >in any more of a sense than they are the goals of the US.

Exactly. Look at the free market trade model USA is trying to sell to
latim american countries. People talk about how much of american GNP
goes to pay loan's interest to japanese banks. What about the money
paid to IMF banks from third world countries. In general, loans taken
under obscure conditions (for not saying illegal), bribing high
positioned corrupted politicians, the same kind of people one claims
is selling USA to Japan...

 >The goals of Japanese business and their partnership
 >with government and each other is to establish these
 >economic targets as a means of securing their national
 >defense. When there are few other options available to
 >them in the 'traditional' sense of establishing a
 >national defense policy, and an autonomous sphere of
 >influence even within their own geographical area, then
 >I don't see their view can be considered a fault any
 >more than we would consider the military actions and
 >political moves the US has made in the last 50 years
 >to be totally immoral or unfair.
 >
 >It's the same attitude in a different domain, and the
 >only domain in which the world at large would allow them to 
 >play in. That they have done well at it without effective
 >political or military influence is a testimony to their 
 >efforts. Had we put the same energy in to the same sorts
 >of endeavor as they, instead of into the military and political
 >spheres, it might be a different story in the economic arena.
 >
 >But... weeze paid our money and mades our choices.
 >
 >- Bill Lambert

Believing that America government plays fairly just makes one fool himself.
Stop looking up to the japanese and have a look to the third world countries
and their relations with USA to realize how fair is USA government.

Dirceu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: b124767@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Albert Lam)
Subject: Murakami Haruki's Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of World
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 11:35:18 GMT

I am looking for publication information of the Japanese original 
of 'Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World'- publisher's
name, price and ISBN are sought.  Also, anyone knows if there is a 
paperback version of the book in Japanese? Thanks for all response.

albert lam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: Roman Hikou (was: Pheromones,otoko,and cabs)
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:01:20 GMT

In article <1hubj3INN9gc@agate.berkeley.edu> jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:
>    A few good choices for omiyage are: sweatshirts (a.k.a tureenaa) from 
>a famous university (like Berkeley!), ...

Naw, naw, naw; who'd bother about a team that doesn't make the Top 25?
It's the brand label that counts, like UCLA, USC, or Notre Dame
(Come to think of it, Stanford beat all of them (and Cal, of course)).

And never mind about MIT (this, actually, is good advice).

	/   /   /   /   /   /
	\   \   \   \   \   \
	/   /   /   /   /   / 		(flames!!)
	\   \   \   \   \   \ 
	/\  /\  /\  /\  /\  /\
	\/  \/  \/  \/  \/  \/
	----------------------

-YH@Stanford

PS: your article would make a nice column in the "Men's nonno",
"Brutus", or "Popeye" magazines :-)
From: roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Comfort girls?
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:21:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.143403.8912@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> 
bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:

>folks,

>just recently i read about the rape of nangking and the japanese use
>of "comfort girls" (women forced into prostitution for the soldiers).
>amazingly (maybe not), my high school education never revealed this
>period of history, nor did i take any eastern history courses in 
>college.

>given what's happening with the women of bostnia and croatia, such
>atrocities are commonplace in war.  however, the news has recently
>carried articles about the japanese admittance to "comfort girls"
>(which had been denied for sometime).

>i'm interested in knowing all sides of the issues.  any information
>is greatly appreciated.  does japan teach its students about this
>period of time?  does china?  what is the "official" story from both
>sides?

Well, I am probably not the optimum source, but from what I have picked 
up, the Japanese Ministry of Education has been playing a little fast 
and loose with the truth here .. and rather often, Japanese teachers 
obey the Education Ministry's intent like my cats obey me .. NOT !!  

About 2 years ago, an American girl who grew up in Japan and came up 
through the Japanese school system posted a series of articles to 
soc.culture.japan about that system, as seen from the inside.  And, 
textbook revision or no textbook revision, she had learned _all_ _about_ 
the Japanese atrocities in China in the '30's, Nanjing included, in that 
system.  It seems that the policies of the Monbusho are about as popular 
with the Japanese teacher's organizations as George Bush's are in the 
Democratic National Committee ... :-)  

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From: kyn@soul.tv.tek.com (Ky Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Looking for Xwindows sw
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:30:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Originator: kyn@soul.tv.tek.com

Hello Netters.

Ca'c ba.n co' bie^'t ve^` Xwindows cho PC cho Ky xin bie^'t
ca'i tie^.n nghi va` kho^ng tie^.n nghi.

Va` khoa?ng bao nhie^u bytes.?
thanks
Ky
From: ntnguyen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Nguyet T. Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [THO+]  Em kho+` .. Ne^n Tha^'y Cu~ng Ne^n Tho+
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:42:49 GMT
Organization: UB


	EM KHO+` .. NE^N THA^'Y CU~NG NE^N THO+

	Anh cu+' ghe.o em .. to^.i qu'a mo+`
	Ma('t nha('m ma('t mo+? .. lie^'c vu vo+
	Con to con nho? .. o+ .. kho' ngo'
	Ba?o em -da' la.i .. -de^? la`m tho+

	Nhu+ va^`y .. em tha^'y thie^.t mo^.ng mo+
	Dda' le. do`m tha^'y -de.p la('m co+
	Thu+? nha('m ca~ hai ..va` lie^`n mo+? 
	...Em kho+` ... ne^n tha^'y cu~ng ne^n tho+ 

	Ako?n
	12/22/92
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: andyn@octeld.octel.com (Andy Nguyen)
Subject: ABC 20/20
Originator: anh@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:06:19 GMT



|>>     Dear friends,
|>>
|>>
|>>     At 10:00pm tonight, the ACB 20/20 program will air the story about
|>>     three Vietnamese separated, as children , during the war go back
|>>     home after 17 years in the U.S to reunite with their family.
|>>
|>>     * For people in the Bay Area, the show will begin at 10:00pm on
|>>     channel 7 and 11.
|>>
|>>     Enjoy,
|>>
|>>     Pha^?m Phan

|>    Did anyone record this?  I will send anyone 2 blank video
|>  tapes with a Self addressed stamped envelope so you can send
|>  me a copy of it.

I missed the first half of the show, and I would like to see it again.
Sssooo count me in....

KAN
From: ngokthi@cs.concordia.ca (NGUYEN ngoc thi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Luyen's case
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:41:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec


              BARDLEY MILLS SENTENCED TO 50 YEARS FOR
          RACIALLY MOTIVATED MURDER OF LUYEN PHAN NGUYEN

     Bradley Mills was sentenced today to 50 years for the racially motivated 
     murder of 19 year old Luyen Phan Nguyen. A jury found Mills guilty of
     second degree murder on October 21,1992. Most criminal defendants in 
     Florida serve 60% of their sentence--even if they are a model inmate.
     Mills is expected to serve at least 30 years before he up for parole.

       Luyen Phan Nguyen was chased, beaten and kicked to death by Bradly
     Mills and a mob of young men on August 15,1992 outside a South Florida 
     apartment building. During the attack Nguyen was called "chink" and
     "Vietcong" and one of the defendants is alleged to have yelled " I hate
     Vietnamese" during this attack.

       "This is the first time in history that a racially motivated murder of 
     an Asian American has been handled properly, from the initial investiga-
     tion to the thorough prosecution by the District Attorney's office and 
     the appropriate sentencing by the judge, "staed Kathryn Imahara, Staff 
     Attorney at the Asian Pacific American Legal Center of Southern California
     , "Asians and Pacific Islander Americans can feel more confident that the
     criminal justice sytem can protect the rights of this community."

       "The 50 year sentence sends a clear message that racially motivated
     violence will not tolerated by the community,"said Stewart Kwoh, President
     and Executive Director of the Asian Pacific American Legal Center of 
     Southern California.
     
                                      ###
    

Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: nguyen@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (T. Nguyen)
Subject: Ti`m ddi.a chi?
Originator: anh@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:07:48 GMT

Co' ai bie^'t ddi.a chi? cu?a nha` sa'ch DDa.i Nam o+? Los Angeles hay
Qua^.n Cam\ gi` ddo'. Xin la`m o+?n dda(ng le^n \.  Tha`nh ca'm o+?n\.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:21:00 EST
              USENET." <VIETNET@USCVM.BITNET>
From:         "JFT@NCCIBM1.BITNET" <JFT@NCCIBM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Reunion of a Vietnamese Family [repost]

Hi,

  Does anyone have a copy of that 20/20 show!  There could be
a free tape or two in it for you!

  Thanks in advance,

Tua^'n (John)

P.S.  I'm willing to deal!
From: tran@haldne.biogen.lsumc.edu (ldt)
Subject: [MISC] HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO TiTi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Date: 25 Dec 92 14:41:24 GMT

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                   /    |\____\     \      ||
                  /     | | | |\____/      ||
                 /       \| | | |/ |     __||
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               /   |   |           |       --|
               |   |   |           |_____  --|
               |<-|_|_|_|--<<<     |     \----
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             / /  |       |       |
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Lie^.u
LSU Medical Center in New Orleans