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From: liu@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Nga Kwok Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:19:55 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <18510023@teecs.UUCP> ko@teecs.UUCP (Sam Ko) writes:
>As long as I know
>that is 5th of April every year.




It is the date for us to play respect to our ancestors, beloved ones.
People from old generation normally will go and pay visit to cemetery
where their beloved one are buried during that date. I believe it is
a public holiday in Hong Kong. (excuse me if it is not).

Things are gradually changing these days. I believe people prefer to
do this at home. The date, 5th of April, becomes a day for memory of
dead ones symbolically.

James Liu.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY)
Subject: Where to buy videos in Hong Kong?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  8 APR 92 10:56:08    

Specifically, videos of Chinese and ethnic minority folk dance from PRC
or anywhere else. In any format. My friend Heidi told me she knew just
where to get them but her parents moved to the New Territories and she hasn't
sent her new address. We will be in HK in July.....
From: chiu@pyramid.unr.edu (Edward S.N.Chiu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Reno Nevada scheme
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:19:16 GMT
Reply-To: chiu@pyramid.unr.edu (Edward S.N.Chiu)
Organization: Department of Computer Science - University of Nevada, Reno

In article <1992Apr2.153230.2079@cs.wayne.edu> kkc@surya.cs.wayne.edu (Kwok K. Chan) writes:
>In article <3257@equinox.unr.edu> chiu@pyramid.unr.edu (Edward S.N.Chiu) writes:
>>
>>I personally go to school. And I am the ONE AND ONLY ONE holding a F1
>>visa who is from HK in the University of Nevada, Reno.
>
>I think it's time for you to tell us more about your school.  
>How many non-F1 students are from HK over there? 
>
>-- 
>***************************************************************************
>		It is better to wear out than to rust out
>email: kkc@cs.wayne.edu
>***************************************************************************

To those who are interested: Univ of Nevada, Reno is located near downtown
Reno, close to casinos. Every week-night many college students go to
downtown casinos - most of them don't gamble but eat the cheap food in the
casinos' restaurants. There are about 10-20 non-F1 HK students currently
studying in UNR.

As my last posting about the Japan division, I wrote down the tuition
of my school which is relatively cheap in the West coast. About $4000
a semester for international students.  About $1000 for in-state students.

No gambling or hotel management majors are offered. But there are some
such classes in the nearby community college.

There is no doubt that casinos constitute an important part  in the funding
or support to the university. Somebody says it's bad but somebody says it's
good. What do you think?

Yes, UNR is a special state univ in the US due to Reno is a gambling city.
Maybe some guys in UNLV (Univ of Nevada, Las Vegas) can have some
feedback.

OK. Don't want to waste too much bandwidth. See ya.

 +-----+ * Edward Sung-Ngan Chiu        Internet: chiu@cs.unr.edu *  Alumnus of
 |     | * Dept of Computer Science   BITNET: chiu@equinox.bitnet * T.K.R.G.S.S.
  \    | * University of Nevada, Reno             Office: LMR 280 *  Hong Kong
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: vcsc335@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU (Johnny Chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: WONG LISA's show besides singing ...
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:59:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: sfsuvax1.9204132259.AA20897

Talking about Lisa Wong lately on the newsgroup here, one of her old
shows begins on channel 22 today. The name is "Man Shui Qin Shan Chung
Si Qing". (Ten-thousand water thousand hill totally is passion)

Well, the song (melody only) from this show is still sounds great, but
not her performance: acting a 18 year-old student while she was actully
thirty something back at the moment ...


JJJJJ OOOOO H   H NN  N NN  N Y   Y    CCCCC H   H OOOOO W   W
  J   O   O HHHHH N N N N N N   Y      C     HHHHH O   O W W W
JJJ   OOOOO H   H N  NN N  NN   Y      CCCCC H   H OOOOO WW WW

	   MY MOST FAVOURITE SONG IN THIS SPRING IS

		    NOT EASY TO DROP A TEAR
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			  
			  BY ALAN TAM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chiu@sampson.ccsf.caltech.edu (John Chiu)
Subject: Re: I N S T A N T   N O O D L E S
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:44:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.042537.167472@cs.cmu.edu> wkau+@cs.cmu.edu (Wing Keung F Au) writes:
>
>talking about instant noodles, does any one out there eat the instant
>noodles from korea, extra hot?  back in my rochester days, i cooked two
>bags at a time, with double the MSG, then boiled 2 bowls of water til
>it became 1.  oh my god, it's soooooo hot!!!!   best for the freezing
>nights!
>
>I LOVE IT!!
>
>-- 
>
>				    FRed W. Au
>				    ...!cmu.edu!au+, au+@cmu.edu

How about doing the IN in a microwave oven?!  It doesn't taste good at all
but is perfect for someone who doesn't have a boyfriend/girldfriend.  Fast,
handy and easy.

John Chiu
From: barry@falcon.axion.bt.co.uk (Barry Au_Yeung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: LOOKING FOR AMY LIU(OR LAU)...
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:12:03 GMT
Reply-To: barry@falcon.axion.bt.co.uk (Barry Au_Yeung)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


Hi, everyone!!! My name is Barry Au-Yeung and I am
looking for my friend Amy Liu(or Lau in Cnatonese).

She is a Taiwanese girl. She has been in England two
years ago, and now she is studying phycholgy (???) at
some college in either Washington DC or  Washington
state (I am not pretty sure!!!). 

If anybody know her, please, please tell her that I would 
like to contact her.

Or, if anybody know her address, please send it to me by 
email.

Thanks everyone and hope you guys have a nice time in 
Easter.

Bye for now.
From: K.K.Soo@bradford.ac.uk (KK SOO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK singers
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:22:36 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91862372@muser

In article <9204112029.AA08838@oak.math.ucla.edu> cykwan@MATH.UCLA.EDU (Chik Yun Kwan) writes:
>
>  If you are asked to divide HK singers into different catagories,
>how would you divide them and who will you put in each catagory ?
>
>Idol type:
>
>   1) Andy Lau
>   2) Leon Lai
>   3) Kwok Fu Shing

My comments : delete 1), keep 2) & 3)
              append 1) to the last position of "Great sing skill".

>Talent in composing, arranging:
>
>   1) Anthony Lun
>      eg: "Man behind the piano", "heart is still cold",...
>   2) Lowell Lo ( Lo Kwun Ting )
>      eg: "Going with you", "Sky bird", "The lost heart",...
>   3) Ah Lam ( George Lam )
>      eg: "who can understand me", "moment","the unforgetable you"-
>          in his latest album ,...
>   4) Danny Chan
>      eg: "wait","Lin Yee","the footprint on the beach",...
>   5) Law Tai Yau ( who composed Queen's Road East )
>   6) Beyond
>   7) Tai Chi
>   8) Chris Wong ( Wong Hoi Ken )
>   9) Sam Hui
>   10) Kenny Bee
>   11) Tat Ming
>   12) Fundamental

My comments : Rearrange as 2) 6) 3) 9) 5) 11) 1) 7) 10) 
              delete 4) 8) and 12)

>Great singing skill:
>
>   1) Ah Lam (remark: I think he is the best in HK. He can simply sing
>      any keys )
>   2) Alan Tam
>   3) Shally Yeh (sp? that is Yip sin Man)
>   4) Lam Yik Lin
>   5) Anita Mui
>   6) Lui Fong
>   7) Tsai Siu Fung 
>   8) Jackie Cheung
>   9) Lee Huk Ken 

My comments : Rearange as 1) 8) 5) 3) 9) 6)
              delete 2) 4) 7)
              append a. Leslie Cheung
                     b. Danny Chan
                     c. Danny Summer
                     d. Andy Lau

>Any comments ?

Well I think you should mention about Cheung Chi Kwong.

Fred
-- 
k.k.soo@bradford.ac.uk
Computer Science, University of Bradford, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: plau@cs.albany.edu (Peter Lau)
Subject: Anyone from U of Toronto please send me an email, I need some help
Originator: plau@johnny.albany.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, SUNY at Albany, Albany, NY 12222
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:35:56 GMT

Thanks.

pete

P.S.  It should be nothing heavy.  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lhclin@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Kuo Ka-fai (Re: WONG LISA's show besides singing ...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.183456.15125@nic.umass.edu> s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins) writes:
>
>yup, that's one reason i don't like music from hongkong: too much copying,
>too few originals. i hate songs copied from english pop songs. after you 
>listen to the original version, it makes you puke to hear the cantonese 
>version.
>

If it's originals that you like, there are still many artists in HK who produce
original music.  I cannot see why you dislike [original] HK music in general.

-- 
__________________________________________________________     __       __ 
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| Louis Hiu Chuen Lin,        Computer Graphics Lab      |   / /__    / /__
| Dept of Computer Science,   U of Waterloo, Canada      |  /____/ o /____/ o
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: thomasc@morrison.wri.com (Thomas Chin)
Subject: Re: Lai Ming (he is okay)
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:25:24 GMT

The point is - some people really LOVE Lai Ming. We may like Jacky Cheung and
Sandy Lam, but we won't climb up the stage to kiss them (and break the stage!)
The thing is at this point in the history of HK, this guy brings passion and
enlightenment to some people. Because of him, some people feel warm and lead
to their emotional attachment to HK. To them, Lai Ming is not even a
professional, he is an artist. BTW, professionism is something one should
only talk to the pillow at bed time. What is professionism anyway?  
Professional and academic education is merely means of self-improvement. It
is by no mean a definition of a fine human being and by no mean a god damn
moral standard.

--Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: HK "roots"?? << was: "I love Hong Kong, too! But why? >>
Keywords: Culture and People
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:20:03 GMT

In <1992Apr12.013731.15528@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon) writes:
|> 
|> 	Personal attitude alone is not sufficient to define "root".  An ABC

So, what is the definition of the term "root"?

|> may have a very strong sense of attachment to HK, but his root is not in HK
|> because he does not have enough culture traits and cultural background to share
                            ??????
|> with the real HKese.  Culture traits means the tools we used to live our lives.
|> (eg. food, landscape, public transportation vehicles, clothing, etc. ) And
|> cultural background is referred to the knowledge which is available to every
|> member of the environment of interest. (eg. TV news, education, movies, etc.)

First, in order to make your def.(?) operational, you need to define what
is "enough." Second, it seems to me you look at root in binary term, (in HK
or not), but I think that it is probably more productive to look at root
issue in qualitative terms, i.e., the depth of one's root. With this 
perspective, a person without a root (in HK) is just a special case
(depth = 0).

|> 	You may argue that this fact just proves that ABC is not HKese. However,

I think you are discussing whether an ABC can claim his/her root in HK, not
whether an ABC is a HKese. To me, being an ABC and not HKese does not
preclude one from claiming/discovering/cultivating his/her root in HK.

|> a "root" has to mount on something.  That something is our culture traits and
|> cultural background.  Time effect can wash off our our sense of attachment,
|> but time cannot fake our memory on certain things easily.  


Steven
------
... This all sounds complicated, but it mostly does exactly
what you expect. It's just hard for us to explain what you
expect ...
				  - From "Programming Perl"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: winky@vis.toronto.edu (Winky Wai)
Subject: Re: "Lisa Wong(Weng)" Re: Lai Ming
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:09:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.053027.4966@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> wongkc@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (WONG  KESON KWOK PUI) writes:
>
> How about that song about "Hot coffee".  Each time my friend sings it my
>spine doesn't just quiver, I think it snaps! 8-)
>
>ttfn
>				A. Mak
>
>A209MAKA@CDF.TORONTO.EDU
>
>

I remember that the first time I heard that song was Lisa sang that in some
show (I think is someting like the 10 golden album award). That night she
wore a very sexy custom (something like a swimming suit). It was just too
shocking, and I never forget that song .......

Winky
From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Tibet
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:05:46 GMT

The basic history of Tibet-China relations is quite clear, in
spite of attempts at distortion / propaganda by both sides.

Tibet was invaded by the Yuan Mongols and was put into a subservient
position relative to the emperor / central govt. of China since then.
Before 1950, it was locally ruled by a succession of Dalai Lamas,
with minimal interference from the central govt. of China.  PRC
asserted the strong form of sovereignty in Tibet since 1950.

The Tibetan language is related to the Chinese, and it shares certain
ancient cultural attributes with the Chinese, the 4 animals for the
4 cardinal positions, and the use of the 60-year cycle, etc., which
pre-date even Confucius.  However, culturally it evolved quite
separately for 1,500 years, and is less similar to Chinese than
the cultures of Japan, Korea and Vietnam.

Tibet is probably the largest piece of real estate inhabited by
a "national minority" in the whole world.  Similar entities were
Ukraine in the old USSR, and Quebec in present-day Canada.  Ukraine
became independent a few months ago, and Quebec is scheduled for
yet another independence referendum soon.

Tibet is different from even Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang.  Inner
Mongolia has a Han majority now, and Xinjiang was populated by
Hans 2,500 years ago.  The native peoples then have long disappeared,
and the Turkic people there (Wuer Kaixi's kinfolk) arrived in
Xinjiang (from Mongolia and Siberia) after the Hans.

I would like to have a free and democratic Tibet stay in a future
Democratic China, but the <blood debts> of the last 40 years incurred
by the CCP regime may make that impossible even when China becomes
democratic.

I am for human rights for Tibetans as well as for Chinese, and
furthermore, I would not want to see more blood debts owed by
the Chinese people even though it was the CCP that spilled the
blood.

| Wing should know where I am coming from.  I shared with him an article
last

Have to respond when my name is mentioned, even though I show up
in the office at 2 p.m., Apr. 16 being our second X'mas.

| >this whole weekend. I may not know enough Chinese history to be very
| >authoritative on this, being a unilingual Cantonese born in HK and all.
|
| Me too.  Humility taken and expressed.
|
| Charles

Nothing wrong with being a <unilingual Cantonese>.  I listened to a
Sun Yat-sen speech in Mandarin last month, and I tell you, he firmly
belongs to that category.

Wing
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: HK "roots"??  << was: "I love Hong Kong, too!  But why? >>
Keywords: Culture and People
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University, New York City
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:32:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.220718.25524@r-node.gts.org> yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.010551.3145@en.ecn.purdue.edu> kwan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Yik-Yin Edwin Kwan) writes:
>>no American has root except the Indians.  If you say Americans have roots,
>>those roots took 200 years to develop.  Hong Kong (British Colony) will
>>only be given 150 years.  Just 50 years short.  Romantic isn't it? :))

What took 200 years to develop is not "root".  It's Americana, what we now
consider to be American culture.  American culture needed to be developed
because the "Americans" didn't want to adopt to the Indian culture.  In the
case of HK, the culture came with the people.  In America, the culture at 
the begining was a misture of different European cultures that needed to be
"unified" to form an "American" culture.  That takes generations.  Where as
in HK, the culture is homogeneously Chinese since the foundation.

>I don't think the concept of "root" has a lot to do with "time". The
>only thing that counts is the sense of belonging. Most, if not all,
>Americans "feel" american. Hong Kong people, imho, developed their
>sense of belonging only until recently which TVB and all those popular
>culture media could claim a lot of credits.

Concept of root is the sence of attachment to the culture/people/environment
in which a person grows up.  Time dilutes memory and nurtures adoption.  
As a result, time dilutes the sence of attachment to origin.  After some time,
the word "root" is not operational anymore.  Living condition, to a great 
extent, determines the sence of attachment/belong.  Example: A person lived
in Chine until 15 years old, then move to live in HK since then.  I would
think it's safe to claim that 90% of such persons would have a greater sence
of attachment/belonging to HK than China.  Simply because people favor HK 
over mainland China.  Comparing the two places in this case: culture--same,
people--mostly same origin, same ethical ideals, environment--major differing
element.
	If "root" is interpreted otherwise as the origin of the tracable
family tree, then few of the HK'ese can claim a HK root.

-harry/kb2lha,	Just my thoughts.
From: chao@EUCLID.UOREGON.EDU (Kung M. Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: World Cup Final 96' Sites
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:37:37 GMT

I knew that games of 96' WC Final will be held in Detroit, Chicago and
where-else.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lam0@cat1.cs.wisc.edu (Yu Hin Lam)
Subject: Re: Canada Imm to US for studying
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:33:39 GMT
From: jetho@bass.bu.edu (jet ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Immigration and going to school in the US
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:57:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Boston University

I know many people who secured their Canadian citizens without even 
physically residing in Canada.  I do not know about the exact legal 
procedure to get around the Canadian immgration requirement, but my
understanding is that you have to apply for the absense.

One of my former classmates in U.S. successful secured a permit to 
return to Hong Kong for graduate school.  The period during which he
studied in Hong Kong will still be part of the residence requirement
for citizenship.  

It seems to me that if you have the appropriate attorney behind you,
everything will work in Canada.

Jet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu)
Subject: Re: In defense of LISA WONG..........
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:51:03 GMT

llm39562@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lisa Lai-ha Mak) writes:

>	Everyone gets old some day.  Don't forget Lisa Wong possesses some
>skills that most idles don't have, such as managing a big big show in a
>elegant and appropriate manner.  If we pay more attention to those subtle
>skills, we would appreciate her more.  Lisa Wong is not over yet.

  Who said Lisa Wong is over? She is appointed representative of HK
district in People Congrass of PRC. She are involved in making
decition for the China and also HK someday. Lisa Wong is also a GREAT
artist who is almost-being-able-to-do-anything. She would be the
GREATEST star next century since by that time everyone would go to
Cantonese Opera. Also by that time, Cantonese Opera would be the only
offcial entertainment. All others are bad since those are from the
western.

  By the way, don't forget Mrs Mao--The wife of the GREATEST LEADER
Mao Tze Tong, was also a third-rank star. Oh I am not implied Lisa
was/is/will be a third-rank star. So STOP insulting our Aunt Lisa (you
know I really like her. I watched her since I was four, by that time
she was 18 years old. And now, I was almost thirty and the last time I
watch her show, she was still an 18-year-old-like girl. Isn't it
cute?).

  steve




--
stevew@helios.unl.edu  |=| \ Fender / |=| ... smoke on the water, fire in
                       |=|   \    /   |=| the sky...   Smoke on the water.
stevew@hoss.unl.edu    |=|     \/     |=|     (36 bars guitar solo)
		      Deep purple, the best
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mkwan@esk (Michael  Kwan)
Subject: Cow ---- Part 1 (Graphic)
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:44:09 GMT

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