From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: CIA
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:30:21 GMT


>One again, the US gov. has unwillingly and substantially
>helped the Iranian gov. By placing these "opposition"
>groups on their payroll, they have effectively destroyed
>any credibility they may have had. It's a strange world!
                             
>Well, as long as the US gov. feels like wasting its money ...
                                          
>It's amazing how many of the hostile actions they have taken
>against Iran have actually backfired against them! 
  
>How does one explain it?
                           
> - Farzin
            

The conclusion that the revelation against CIA can harm this
or that group is not always right (I am not for any
groups before any suspiscion arises). 
Look what happened to Sandinists in the election.
Everybody knew that Chamoro's opposition alliance was 
financed by U.S. and what happened. People voted for her!
Or why should we not take Afghanistan. Afghanistan opposition
was financed by CIA all these years. Everybody knew that CIA
was planning a coup in Iran in 1953 and yet they did it!
And ofcourse everybody in eastern Europe knew that radio
free Europe is financed by CIA. Another interesting issue,
was how CIA send Bible to the ExSoviet all these years 
and even Quran to Tadjikestan during the Afghan war to
create unrest in the southern Soviet union. Actually in
70s Berzhinski (Carter's Scowcraft) was for creating a strong
Islamic belt under the Soviets, both for unstabilizing the
southern states of Soviet and containing the Soviet drive
to the warm waters. 
   The reason that foriegn intelligent services can 
manage to interfere in a countri'es affair and 
succeed in their plans is not that their plans are
always secret. It is a variable of the countri'es general
psychological, economical, governmental and ... situation.
When we have ShaAban Bimokh types CIA can do much. 
For example when even our friends on this net are lured
by Pat Buchanan what can we expect from the street people!
People see the glitter on their TV and that is it. They
are not so ideological in the long term. And nobody can
do anything about it. Castro may talk much about human
values in socialism but CIA will eventually win since 
they have Miami TV. The guy who can control the situation
in the long run, is the guy who can feed the people and
I think it is what president Rafsanjani has found out
if he succeeds. Imagine all of these Sattelite dishes
in some years and you cann't feed the people and they
look at their TVs as East Germans saw west Germans!

I remember to read in the Newsweek some years ago what 
actually turned Americans against Noriega (fascinating
story)  CIA had bought
a shipment of East German weapon in the free weapon market
to send it to ElSalvador. There the ship was supposed to
be seized by ElSalvadorian government and the American and
Elsavadorian propaganda machine was suppose to claim that
the armament was sendt by the Sandinistas to help the
leftists in Elsavodore, giving the Americans an excuse
to attack Nicaragua or at least get the Congress agreement
on more support for contras! Noriega stopped the ship in the
Panama channel and seized the weapon on board! This way
Americans found out that the Panama channel is not theirs
anymore as long as Noriega (a previous puppet) is sitting 
there. And ofcourse they started financing the opposition
there. 

                                         Kambiz