From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Death of Evil Empire II
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:03:41 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.

In article <1dbukbINN558@gap.caltech.edu> kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.093110.5896@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za> philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick) writes:
>
>>What chance I wonder that the US will stop supporting venal dictatorships
>>in the Clinton world order? At least they don't have the Soviet Union
>>as an excuse any more for interfering in other country's politics.

The US will never stop this practice...old habits never die. They just smell
that way. The righteous Jimmy Carter's linkage of aid to human rights was 
really just a ploy. No more. Rhodesia and SA were tramping on the blak race 
with impunity during his era..Slick Willy is not supposed to behave 
differently. I am just curious, what are SA papers saying about this change 
of guard at the white house? Maybe Mark Ramsden would fill us in on this...

>>Philip Machanick
>>Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
>
>I too hope this is the case.  We've had a pretty piss poor record in
>this arena.  But it is my opinion that things have already started to
>improve.  We (via Herb Cohen, undersecretary of state for african 
>affairs) have already told Savimbi to give up the ghost.
>(I have heard rumors that South Africa has also told him to expect no
>support.  Is this true?) And, somewhat to my suprise, even the Reagan
>administration NEVER supported RENAMO.   I mean these guys (RENAMO)
>are so morally bankrupt that even though they were trying to overthrow
>a MARXIST regiem the contra-supporting-Grenada-invading-Muhujadeen-
>supplying Reagan Administration balked at supporting them.
>
>Has South Africa finally stopped suporting them?

The Reagan/Bush administration SAID they never supported RENAMO. They even 
branded it a "terrorist" group. Fact of the matter is, they do support the 
group thru' third countries like SA.....even Kenya. Britain, thru Tiny 
Rowland(sp?), the chief of Lhonro(sp?), does the same thing....

Savimbi is still a darling of his paymasters. Recall that he used to get more
cash from the US than ALL the sub-Saharan countries combined. I gather "Pik"
Botha (together with SA's western henchmen) is actually pressing the MPLA to
include UNITA in a so-called "govt of national unity". How ridiculous!  So 
all this talk about SA trying to do anything positive in Angola is no more 
than just shit. After all, why on earth should she do that??

>Here's my list of "Post colonial meddeling by white ruled countries" 
>in Africa, in order of importance (degree of harm).  Please let me 
>know what you think.                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>South Africa
>USSR/Cuba
>USA
>France
>

Happy to oblige...this is a screwed up list. A more enlightened one would run
as follows:

SA/US
Britain/France
SA/US
Britain/France
..
..

A quick induction will establish the entire list......

>Does any one else even make it on the post 1979 list?

Yep. A few blak-ruled African states have done probably more harm to their own
people and their neighbours than the entire list above...But rest assured, 
these "leaders" couldn't make it without the blessing of the countries in the
above list, just as Makala noted in one of his postings.

J.K.



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