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From: shields@fife.cs.uiuc.edu (Keith Shields)
Subject: Re: Shakespeare
Organization: Picasso Group, DCS, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:06:51 GMT

In article <BuHwLr.6EF@gain.com>, combs@gain.com (Dave Combs) writes:
|> 
|> Since Roslyn is a real town in Washington state, and there is no 'Cicely' in Washington
|> state, I doubt seriously if there is any Shakespearean connection.
|> 
|> Cheers,
|> Dave Combs (combs@gain.com)

I'm not sure I see the connection here...  What does the existence (or
lack thereof) of towns in Washington named Cicely and Rosyln have to
do with anything???  
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From: matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:29:04 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

dinhyen@nevada.edu (DINH-YEN TRAN) writes:

>In article <7SEP199211453385@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
>>It would be a mistake if Joel and Maggie ever did sleep together.  I think
>>their love/hate relationship is what makes the show work.
>>
>>Kent Leverich
>>WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU 

>Hi Will, I agree.  I think that one of the most interesting facets of the show 
>is the Joel/Maggie relationship (if there exists any). In fact i wouldn't 
>hesitate to say that it is the centerpiece of the show. During each episode,
>we anticipate that they will get together finally, but at the same time hope
>that they won't, because then the show would effectively be over.
>Dinh-Yen Tran
>dinhyen@nevada.edu

I for one would like to see Maggie and Joel continue to work their
relationship to a point where they do end up sleeping together, not
in the context of 'the act' but actually working things out between
them so they have a relationship that will have already endured all
the mountains and valleys involved in making a relationship last.

Don't get me wrong.  I don't want them to consumate the relationship
anytime soon...they still have a long way to go, but has anyone else
noticed that in almost every episode where they are the 'main' story
of the week, they have a disagreement, sometimes fierce, but then end
up discussing it, commiting it to memory as one of the others little
peeves, and then move on.

It seems to me that the show would not be over, rather a whole new series
of storylines would be built around how the relationship would go 
on from that point, how it would affect the town, and where they would
decide to go, (Alaska or New York), and most assuredley another whole
storyline on the development of the relationship between two people who
spent so much time denying and hating each other, suddenly seeing themselves
in a different light.

I remember reading somewhere in the middle of last season, that Maggie
and Joel WILL sleep together, but not last season or this season.  I feel
confident that the writers will work it out slowly, and actually expect
to gain some insight on how relationships work.

Till then, the sexual tension between the two of them is great, and
I hope the thread continues for some time.

matt

-- 
"I want more, but I'm smoking right now"     matt@ms.uky.edu
  - my roomate                               mwmcco00@ukpr.uky.edu
From: shirley@fdr.jsc.nasa.gov (Bill Shirley [CSC])
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 9 Sep 1992 20:03:47 GMT
Organization: Software Technology Branch - NASA/JSC
Originator: shirley@fdr


In article <1992Sep8.185645.14439@indetech.com>, alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North) writes:
> In article <m-rn!5j.clark@netcom.com> clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark) writes:
> >nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) writes:
> >
> >>gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
> >

	[..]

> I was truly, deeply offended 
> by the episode where Chris was engineering a way to catapult a cow.
> (Angry enough to write the producers.) While Chris didn't actually 
> go through with this idea, it had nothing to do with the disgusting 
> nature of the idea, just the lack of novelty.
> 
> Now, I don't eat beef, but my husband does, and even he found this 
> catapult-a-cow concept revolting. Flinging a living creature through 
> the air for entertainment is vile (unless we're talking about a 
> "human cannon" who loves the job!). I had a hard time believing that 
> the character of Chris would even thing this up in the first place.

That was the whole point of the show.

Sometimes Art has to be offensive.


> Alexandria
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> "Babies, babies, babies. Why did God make so many babies?
>  But no, God didn't make them. Stupid people made them."
>       -- Margaret Mitchell, Gone With The Wind
-- 
Bill Shirley		|  ``Computer Science is not about computers any 
shirley@fdr.jsc.nasa.gov|	more than astronomy is about telescopes.''
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From: mgelman@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Michael A. Gelman)
Subject: Re: Stepping out of character episode....
Reply-To: mgelman@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Michael A. Gelman)
Organization: Bull HN Info Sys, Billerica MA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:10:39 GMT

In article <7m+vHlc*i9@atlantis.psu.edu>, cramer@vivaldi.psu.edu
(Michael R. Cramer) writes: 
|> last semester...this was my first impression: I thought it was a very poor
|> example of NX. Granted, it was great for TV in general, but it didn't have
|> the amazing quality that most episodes have. ...
|> I guess
|> I didn't like the way they had 3 unrelated topics at the same time...it can
|> work and work well sometimes...just last night...it didn't. 

What I find so neat about the show is how they frequently have 2 or
three seemingly disconnected subplots that are different sides of the
same issues.  Last night's episodes was about escaping from the
"traps" that people set for them selves:  The duel, Holling needing to
get out into the woods, even Nickoli, the famous singer, coming to
Cicely to escape from fame.

And finally, when Joel takes the show "out of character," it ends up
being the way to resolve the problem that neither character can shoot
the other. 

I haven't  seen a episode (I also started watching recently) that
had any really unrelated subplots....  I wish more TV had decent
(well, very good) writing like this.
--Mike
-- 
Michael Gelman -- M.Gelman@ma30.bull.com 
Bull HN Info Systems -- Advanced Engineering Program 
(Any similarity between my opinions and those of Bull, living or dead, are
entirely coincidental.) 
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From: bob@arx.adp.wisc.edu (Bob Mikrut)
Subject: Fling Thing
Reply-To: bob@rags.adp.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:11:08 GMT

I just subscribed, so I hope this isn't redundant (redundundant).

In the catapult episode, Chris decides not to fling the cow because
it's been done (in 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail'), but is anyone 
aware of the following:

In the Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, July 10, 1991, front page:
	"A Scud It's Not, But The Trebuchet Hurls
	 A Mean Piano"

This was the headline to a story on an Englishman named Hew Kennedy
in Acton Round, England, who built a device known by the 14th century
name 'trebuchet' (tray-boo-shay), "not to be confused with a catapult,
a much smaller device that throws rocks".

The 1st paragraph of the acticle:
  "With surprising grace, the grand piano sails through the sky a hundred
feet above a pasture here, finally returning to earth in a fortissimo
explosion of wood chunks, ivory keys and piano wire."

Additionally, the article includes a drawing, and it's the same
device in the NE episode.

Too much, eh?? I figure the writers are WSJ readers and knew a
really bizarre thing when they saw it.

BTW, Mr Kennedy also flung cows, horses, and hogs, all already dead
though.  And porcelain toilets soaked in gasoline and set on fire.
That would have fit well in NE, n'est pas?


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From: jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 12:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.035602.6222@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) writes:
> 
> 	Yeah, sure you might attribute that to the creativity of the
> writers, but it seemed like an incredible cop-out to me.  I mean, I think
> the NX writers are talented enough to resolve the Maurice-Russian Guy duel
> withou resorting to something so cheesy.
> 	Although the actors did deliver it well.

I liked the stepping-out-of-the-plot maneuver.  You couldn't do it more
than once, but it made me feel like I was reading John Fowles, or
something.  Sometimes series get stale by resorting to resolutions that
always involve clever plots.  Just before Joel stepped out of character, I
was thinking, "oh jeez, they're going to have to do some kind of stupid
sitcom thing to make this turn out," so it turned out fine for me. 
Whenever I read a book in which the author stops and talks to me about
his/her options (the French Lieutenant's Woman is a good example), I feel
respected.  

-- 
Jaclyn Brandt
jbrandt@NeoSoft.com
--
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Tue, 08 Sep 92 16:31:13 CST
From:         C09615ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Best Episode
Newsgroups:   alt.tv.northern-exp


Without a doubt, my favorite episode has to be (forgive me, I don't know the
  proper title, so I'll use a Chris quote) "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Circus
  Has Come To Town."

This episode had more depth in its storyline(s) than any other I've seen.  The
  quantum physics magic tricks were great; the relationship between Marylin
  and the Flying Man was very well done; and most of all, the scene of Joel
  trying to juggle is priceless.

A few notes/questions about this episode:
  1) Who plays the Flying Man?  I saw him before in the otherwise forgettable
     Steve Martin film "My Blue Heaven" as an FBI agent.  He strikes me as a
     tremendously talented physical actor.
  2) Am I the only one who thinks that the background music during the circus
     performance (with the torches and the Flying Man's scarf dance) is the
     instrumental track to Souxie and the Banshees' "Face to Face"?
  3) How much of the quantum physics material in the script was accurate?  It
     sounded right to me, but my grounding in QM is rather limited.

I'd like to hear other people's comments about this episode, as I consider it
  to be the best example of a truly superior program.

Tom Stoodley
C09615st@wuvmd.wustl.edu

P.S.  A close second would have to be Ed's search for his parents...
From: normaw@hannah.corp.sgi.com (Norma Walling)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:29:06 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Tom Stoodley from WashU in St.Louis asked about the music from the flying
man episode.   I believe the circus characters in the background and the 
music were both from Cirque du Soleil's last tour.  I think the music
was all originally composed for Cirque du Soleil.
From: rice@enterprise.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel S. Rice)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Shakespeare
Date: 14 Sep 1992 06:08:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep13.040013.3408@news.acns.nwu.edu> velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
(Michelle Wiener) writes:
>Wow... that never even occurred to me!  I wonder if it was deliberate, or
>whether the writers came up with the names first (since Roslyn's is an actual
>place, that would seem logical) and then said, "Whoa, wait aminute, dude..."
>and took it from there.  It certainly fits in with the other literary
>allusions from other episodes.  Cool.  Way to be on top of things!

	My assumption about the order in which things happened (based on
logic, not any factual knowledge).  The producers chose the town of Roslyn
for reasons such as location, appearance, willingness of locals, etc.  They
then had to find a way to explain why the most noticeable landmark in town
is a huge mural with the words "Roslyn Cafe" on it.  This is simply not a
name you would find anywhere but in a place called "Roslyn."  So they added
the "apostrophe-s" and decided to create a character Roslyn who would have
some local importance, e.g., a founder.
	At this point, they probably just ran with the idea of a female
founder ("Why not two!" "Hey, let's make them lesbians!" "Yeah!  Write
that down!").  I wouldn't be surprised if there was a play on Shakespeare
involved.  I would have to guess, though, that the details on the lives of
Roslyn and Cicily weren't fleshed out until well into the series, when it
was decided to do a historical episode.  Certainly they were mentioned only
vaguely before that episode.

						Dan

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From: kaveh@ms.uky.edu (Kaveh Baharestan)
Subject: Favorite Episodes
Keywords: NX
Summary: What are you favorite episodes...
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:53:21 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Not in any particular order...

Ed buys a plot for (.. damn i can never remeber her name.)
Shelys Mother comes to town.
Joel and His Alter Ego (Wow, totally unexpected..)
The screaming tree episode (really great)
The Pheasant hunting episode
Joels Haunted House  (especially pleasant! showed joels nicer side.)
Founding of Cicely Flashback
		I really liked the parallelisms, very P.K. Dick
		Ed the Wolf Boy... that was rich

The chritmas one with Ave Maria and the Eskimo Mythology
		(Ahhhhhhh....)

Ed and the Flute Maker.
The Ice Breaking (?)  Titilating.. good tension
Maurice and His Son
Chris and Brothers dream sequence


Favorite Characters

Maurice
Maggie
The Cook and his wife (they are inseperable)
Ed
Shelly and Holling
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From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: New Season Spoiler
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:22:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Riverside

There was a bit of information on the new season of
Northern Exposure on this evening's (9/13) Entertainment
Tonight.  Another poster has already mentioned, in a
previous article, the main subject of this spoiler.
But I have some extra information below.

Hit 'n' now if you would rather wait.



Warning: all of the information below is from my memory,
which is not known for its reliability.

Well, there will be a *new* character on Northern
Exposure this season.  The new character is a male lawyer.
He moved up to Alaska because of his allergies.  ET showed
a clip of NE with the new lawyer and Maggie inside the
lawyer's dome-like house.  It seems like Maggie is quite
taken with him.  Janine Turner was interviewed as saying
that Maggie bakes him cookies, and even (gasp!) starts to
wear dresses!

[End Spoiler]

Hmmm.  This should place an interesting strain on the
Joel/Maggie relationship.

However, I doubt if Maggie will get "serious" with this
new lawyer, what with Maggie's "history," and that the
lawyer is supposed to be a regular.

				- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
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From: sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Subject: Re: Cast members
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:27:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.223523.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <FRANL.92Sep8204623@draco.centerline.com>, franl@centerline.com 
>(Fran Litterio) writes:
>
>> Don't forget Adam, played by Adam Arkin (I think).  Is he any relation
>> to Alan Arkin?  They kind of look alike.  
>Yep, it's his son.  And it was so strange to see him on a talk show without
>the stubble and the long hair...
>
>> And where else have I seen him?  He looks familliar.  
>He does alot of off-Broadway work.
>

  He had a series of his own some years ago. I can't remember too many
details but I vaguely recall it centered around kooky neighbors.


-- 
Jeff Sicherman
up the net without a .sig
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From: nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:02:14 GMT

gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>Personally I felt that the episode was an interesting statement on the
>male understanding (or lack thereof) of the female.  If we get agressive
>(Maggie wanted Joel to "have her" while she was asleep) then we are
>uncontrolled animals who only think with our genitals.  If we are passive
>we get accused of being gay, uninterested, or boring.  In this case
>Joel respected Maggie and she threw a fit over it.  Don't get me wrong, I
>enjoyed the humor of the episode.  I just think it was at the expense of a
>serious women's issue - date rape.

I agree--I was shocked when Joel asked Maggie if she would rather
he just went ahead and have sex with her while she was sleeping
and she said YES!  She equated with his respect for her with a
lack of desire, and that to me did not seem a natural response for
a woman of today to make.  An unconscious person is incapable of
giving her consent.
From: meg@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Meg Geddes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode + song question
Keywords: life, flinging, cow, piano, trebuchet, Africa, song
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:19:26 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <1992Sep8.151835.12939@spdcc.com> jeff@spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic) writes:
>
>p.s. Almost forgot the second reason I'm writing - Forgive me if this has
>been asked before, but I am trying to find the origin of the song in the
>"Split Soul" episode (the one where Chris's bro returns from Africa after
>Chris becomes aphasiatic and they eventually resolve his problem by providing
>him with a half-moth in amber). Does anyone know who performed the dream-song?
>I suspect that it is called "Toy Cows in Africa". No theories please, just any 
>hard facts (I've had about 1000 different "I think it could be.."s). Thanks.

I dunno, but you could get lucky.  According to this week's TV Guide, there
will be a NE soundtrack released Sept 15 with some of the best music from
the show.  Since the music is a good third of the reason why I watch it,
I am looking forward to seeing what selections will be included.

-- 
Meg Geddes      <No admitted affiliation with anything>    Ann Arbor, MI                       
meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us
From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Date: 10 Sep 1992 10:47:27 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.cs.utexas.edu

Was anyone else disappointed that the producers put background music
behind the "flight of the piano"?  I thought it destroyed the artistry
of the event :-).  No really, I thought a large part of the point of
flinging the piano would be the *whoosh* of the catapult (trebuchet),
the utter silence as the piano arced through the air, and then the
final, deafening, dissonant crash as it hit the ground.  But no, they
had to fill up the dead air with waltz music, and I bet the crash we
heard was created in the studio, not from the actual piano-toss.

Sigh.  No one understands great art.
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From: combs@gain.com (Dave Combs)
Subject: Re: Shakespeare
Reply-To: combs@gain.com (Dave Combs)
Organization: Gain Technology, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:37:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.004249.10871@unlv.edu>, bubba@guitar-slim.cs.unlv.edu (Kenneth B. Been) writes:
|> 
|> Has anyone read (or seen) the play "As You Like It"?  (I hope I am remembering the right play.  Anyway, it's the one where Rosalind's secret admirer is carving up all the trees in the forest with love poems.)
|> 
|> It occurred to me that "Roslyn" and "Cicely", from Northern Exposure, may be allusions to "Rosalind" and "Celia" from As You Like It.  Rosalind and Celia dress up like men -- in fact, pretend to be men -- and go out into the "wild" woods.  Roslyn and Cice|> ly are lesbians who go out to "wild" Alaska.
|> 
|> Am I way off base?  Does anyone care?
|> 
|> In any case, this is my chance to plug As You Like It.  If there are any high school english teachers out there.... I've always thought it was a shame that high school kids are introduced to Shakespeare through difficult plays like Hamlet and Macbeth, ins|> tead of fun, lighthearted comedies that they could really get into.
|> 
|> kbb

Since Roslyn is a real town in Washington state, and there is no 'Cicely' in Washington
state, I doubt seriously if there is any Shakespearean connection.

Cheers,
Dave Combs (combs@gain.com)
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From: vinswolt@cie.uoregon.edu.uoregon.edu (Vince Woldt)
Subject: Best Episode
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:32:39 GMT

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the episode where Ed is worried
about Ruth-Ann dying.  I can't remember what else happened in that one,
but the scene at the end was beautiful enough in its own right.


                        --Vince Woldt


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From: earp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James K Earp)
Subject: Re: "Letters from Cicely"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:54:58 GMT

In article <b2vnyxg.dslee@netcom.com> dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:
>wayne@ita.lgc.com (Wayne McCormick) writes:
>
>
>
>>Anyway, I am looking for more information about a book called "Letters from
>>Cicely" that was mentioned here a week or so ago.  I need to know the
>>author(s) and publisher so that I can find the book easier.  Right now, all
>>I have to go on is the title.  Thanks.
>
>Author:  Ellis Weiner
>Publisher:  Pocket Books, 1992
>-- 
> Donna S. Lee // EC Technology // dslee@netcom.com

FYI, I saw this book at K-Mart in Marion OH Saturday.  If one has it,
they probably all do.  Good hunting!  I read a few letters.  Interes-
ting, but being a cheapskate, I decided not to buy it.

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From: iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Franz Kafka vs. Dr. Joel Fleischman
Reply-To: iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:41:17 GMT

hankdtank <hank@waffle.sns.com> writes:

>Since CBS will be airing the episode "Cicely" tonight, I wanted to 
>comparethe Austrian author Franz Kafka (played by Rob Morrow, a.k.a. Dr. 
>Joel) whoappears in this episode to the regular character Joel Fleischman.

Kafka, in fact, was Czech. Buried in Prague.

Innes
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