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From: iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Predictions
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:23:09 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Here are my predictions
 for the 92-93 NBA season

ATLANTIC                  
New York              Best coach in NBA
Miami                 Team on the rise
New Jersey            Well balanced team
Philadelphia          Balanced team, but need a good center
Boston                Lewis is the whole team
Washington            Will not win with Adams shooting 39%!  
Orlando               Shaq will need more support

CENTRAL
Chicago               Jordan and Pippen too much
Cleveland             Strong at every position
Indiana               Better than bottom four teams
Atlanta               Good players, but no better than fourth
Detroit               Key players are aging. No more Dayley
Charlotte             Give them one or two more years
Milwaukee             Good beer

MIDWEST
Utah                  Malone, Stockton perennial all stars
San Antonio           Robinson, best center in NBA
Houston               Good for third
Denver                -- Three
Minnesota                   lousy
Dallas                             teams --

PACIFIC
Phoenix               Sir Charles, KJ and thunder Dan will push them to top
Portland              Aging team, but still powerful
Golden State          Lack of low post scoring
Seattle               -- Will fight
LA Clippers                        for fourth place --
LA Lakers             Magic's return will still not be enough
Sacramento            Not enough talent to compete with rest of division
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:39:21 GMT

In article <5615@igor.Rational.COM> msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.124220.21758@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>|> Individual skills are just as important as team skills.  If Bird couldn't 
>|> drain the 3ptr and Magic couldn't get into the lane during a fastbreak,
>|> their team skills wouldn't do *dick*.  It just so happens that Jordan has 
>|> *much* better individual skills and Magic/Bird have *somewhat* better 
>|> team skills.
>
>"Somewhat better?" That's like saying Dan Quayle is "somewhat stoopid."
>
>Fact is the Lakers and Celtics won many a game where Bird or Magic
>scored under 10 points. They didn't have to rely on their scoring, 
>although they could score pretty freakin' well. I seem to recall some
>amazing Bird shootouts - 50+ points. In his prime, they weren't all
>that rare either. So, how is Jordan's 50+ point game "much better" than
>Bird's or Magic's? Do tell. Points is points.

Magic and Bird didn't need to rely on their scoring because Worthy/Kareem
and Parish/McHale could do it for them.  When Jordan used to score 50+
points on a regular basis, he didn't have *ANYTHING* on his team that
came close to the skills of Worthy/Kareem/Parish/McHale.  Now he has Pippen
and scores less, makes his teammates better, etc...  Bird and Magic 
didn't need to rely on their scoring because they didn't have to.  Only
in the last 2 years has Jordan had that luxury (and as a result gets praises 
about how he's made his teammates better and plays more team-oriented ball) 
and lo and behold, look at was has happened to the success of his team
over those two years.

You guys keep talking about how much Magic/Bird could do without having to
score, but you always seem to forget to mention the All-Stars on their
teams.  I wonder why...

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lloyd Danielsd (was Re: Spurs Update)
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:17:14 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Aug26.234426.19135@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>In article <55883@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>>
>>>The key with Lloyd (Daniels) is conditioning. I've written a lot of negative
>>>things about him on the college group, but as a pro player they no
>>>longer apply. Every pro stint he's had(CBA, WBL etc.) he's been accused
>>>of being out of shape and lazy. You can't play for Tark and be lazy.
>>>The skill is obvious when you watch him, he's smooth, passes and 
>>>dribbles like a much smaller player. His shot is iffy, as is his defense.
>>>
>>>I kind of hope he does well so his name doesn't go down in infamy as
>>>the guy with the most recruiting hype to never do diddly.
>>>
>>
>    I hope he sucks. In fact, I hope the whole team and their cheating SOB
>    of a coach sucks. Everybody talks about what a great coach Tark is, but
>    I'm not too impressed with a guy who blatantly cheats to get the best
>    players to come to his school. I don't think it's that tough to post a
>    great career W-L record when you pay the best players to come to your
>    school and you play a creampuff schedule. I'll be happy as hell to see
>    Utah stomp all over them this year.
>
>    --salty
>
>

Tark is a great coach. He motivates and receives great admiration from his 
players. He has, over the years, recruited some of the best players in college
basketball to the desert. He has done what a great college coach is suppose
to do Win Baby, Win! 

He will, hopefully, be able to become a winner at this level also. Oh can't
coach, eh? What was last years team? A mistake? He could have jumped ship
after the loss to Duke but he hung on and made a winner out of a team that
lost its entire starting lineup. I admire him for that...

					Dennis Joyce

-----
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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: Re: LA Pro Summer League Report
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:14:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.223417.25732@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>
>Well no one has written about this so here is a short report on the LA
>Pro Summer league, which finished last week:
>
>Story #1:  Without question, the play of Pooh Richardson.  He averaged
>
>Story #2:  John Williams  (the fat one, from the Bullets) played with the NBA

>Story #3:  Lester Conner looked great.  

I watched the Michigan All-Stars vs Miami Tropics, and got to see
(besides Pooh R.), the awesome play of *Richard Dumas*.  I believe
he's #2 in the summer league in scoring, and showed great ball movement
as well.  He's probably a lock for Phoenix - upping their move to the
top of the league (if only Chicago hadn't gotten Byron Houston!)
-- 
        Ellie Cutler

        ellie@ora.com               
        uunet!ora!ellie
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:56:21 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <4218@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.232647.23645@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>>I want to put his comparison into another perspective. I was wondering If
>>it was possible for any player to win all three events at the Allstar game
>>(Three point shoot out, Dunk comp and Allstar MVP) ? 
>
> I don't know of a rule against it.
>
>>The only player who I could think, either in the past or present, would be
>>Mike. He has already won the Dunk comp and Allstar MVP and come pretty close
>>in the 3-point shoot out. I think this is one of the challenges he would
>>like to win before he retires.
>
> Refresh my memory. Which year(s) did Michael win the all-star game MVP and
>which year(s) was he entered in the 3 point contest?

1991, MVP AllStar Game.  
1992, entered in 3pt contest.
-- 
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Beer,(was Re: Who's gonna win it all?)
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:48:36 GMT

In article <AHALL.92Aug27174206@slothrop.fmrco.com> ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.184254.6582@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>   Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
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>   From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
>   Sender: news@uwm.edu (USENET News System)
>   Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
>   References: <l9ndehINN35h@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> <1992Aug26.172948.25925@uwm.edu> <l9njehINN3v9@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>
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>   In article <l9njehINN3v9@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>   >In article <1992Aug26.172948.25925@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>   >|>|
>   >|>
>   >|>Not!  Name one good beer produced in Milwaukee.
>   >|>
>   >|    How 'bout Miller? Or the much underrated Pabst? 
>   >|
>   >I'm still waiting...
>   >
>       Oh, I suppose down south you'd rather drink Billy Beer, huh ;)
>       I guess as long as it's not Bud or Busch it's okay.

>   >
>   >


>There is NO good beer mentioned above.  Try New Amsterdam, Anchor, Sam Adams if
>you want to drink american beer.

Sorry, the best American beer is Red Hook, from Seattle. Actually there are 
a hell of a lot of good beers from the northwest. Try Black Hook too.


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Re: Shoe teams
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:50:45 GMT


Kevin Johnson - Converse
Dominque Wilkins - Reebok

exactly who are all the NIKE NBA players?
Pippen, Jordan, Barkely, Mullin, Robinson, Stockton (?)
Gary Payton :)
and who were all those guys that were in that one commercial about the 
AIR JORDAN SCHOOL where they were advertising like "learn how to fly, learn
to get some hang time" and the last line was Mullin saying
"I wanna learn how to get some hang time."

i think hardaway was in that one, so does htat make him part of the NIKE
team?


In article <Bt8nMr.936@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	I was wondering -- just what shoe company could launch their own
>	version of a "Dream Team" using the players that endorse their
>	shoes?  We all know about Nike (could have Jordan, Pippen, 
>	Robinson, Mullin, Stockton, Barkley, etc) -- but what about:
>
>	Converse:  Larry Johnson
>	(alas, Magic ended his contract; Bird & Dr. J are retired)
>
>	Reebok:  Dee Brown, Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Reggie Lewis,
>	and many others?
>
>	Puma:  Isiah Thomas (at least from what I last heard)
>
>	LA Gear:  Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone 
>	(and of course, good old Kareem)
>
>	BK:  Derrick Coleman
>
>	Feel free to add to the list.  Any comments?  From 1st glance,
>	it would appear that LA Gear would have the inside game hands down.
>
>	Jazzy J
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>|  "I am human and I need to be loved,            | Jazzy J                   |
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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:24:23 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Aug25.190046.3975@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, stu1d46@bnr.ca (Reg
Domaratzki) writes:
|>From: stu1d46@bnr.ca (Reg Domaratzki)
|>Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...

|>The Bird/Magic rivarly was awesome because the two players were so evenly
|>matched with thier respected teams.  They were also UNDOUBTABLY the leaders
|>on their team, and were UNDOUBTABLY the best two players in the league at
|>the time.  KJ is the leader of the Suns, and Charles is not undoubtably the
|>second best player in the league right now.
|>
|>FLAME BAIT:
|>There never has and never will be another rivarly as fierce as that between
|>Magic and Bird in professional sports.

Ok, you undoubtedly have a catch. First off, all of this talk about the 
Bird/Magic rivalry doesn't seem to make too much sense to me, since they
didn't play one another all that often. Could someone please post the 
teams in the finals during the eighties. Now if you want to talk about a 
rivalry, let's talk about the Sixers/Boston series in the early eighties.
At least the teams met one another practically every year with some amazing
series.

Yes, Bird and Magic were some of the greatest players ever and seem to have 
an era named after them, but where's all of the rivalry? Maybe you're 
speaking of the MVP award that Bird won what three years in a row? Maybe 
someone can post the MVPs for the eighties also.

Oh yeah, both Bird & Magic had some pretty good supporting staffs, like 
Kareem, Worthy, Parrish, McHale, etc.

Ron


|>Reg Domaratzki  University of Waterloo Co-op Student at BNR in Ottawa, Canada
|>  "The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
|>           - Hobbes
From: dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:30:42 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU


  I've been reading several messages about how the "DREAM TEAM" would have
essentially wiped the floor with the Australian team.

While being a huge Dream Team Fan (and who isn't) I admit I'm a little biased
but....


The point is mute, since 

(A) the Australians DID not make it to the medal round (as previously stated)
and 

(B) many of the Australian Players and Doctors would NOT participate in a game 
    with the Dream Team and MAGIC b/c of his HIV positive Status.
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Ralphie's awards (Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards)
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:45:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep1.223055.25877@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>Ralph Sampson: Named player of the year by AP, UPI and the USBWA in
>               1981, 1982 and 1983, and by the NABC in 1982 and 1983 ...
>               Wooden Award winner in 1982 and 1983 .... Naismith Award
>               winner in 1981, 1982 and 1983 ...

From 1981-83, Ralphie's sophomore to senior seasons, he won 16 out
of 18 AP/UPI/USBWA/NABC/Wooden/Naismith, NCAA recognized POTY awards.

Trivia time: who broke his monopoly on NCAA recognized POTY awards during
             those three years?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Sampson vs. Jordon (was Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards)
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 04:08:06 GMT


Folks, the next Lor/Meeks great debate has begun. Who would have
thought though, Sampson vs. Jordon? Things that make you go hmmmm...

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>>
>>Can this be true? 82-83 was Ralphie's senior year. As far as I remember,
>>Ralphie won all but one Player of the Year polls (including the Wooden
>>Award), while Jordan won only one. 
>
>Yes, it is true.  While Ralph did win a lot of awards his senior year, 
>and was on the Sporting News All-American 1st team, Jordan won the 
>Sporting News College Player of the Year award.  

    --mack
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Australia vs. NCAA teams
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:45:21 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <9224318.28627@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK) writes:
>IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
>
>
>>  How many NCAA teams could have beaten the Aussie
>>olympic squad?  How would they have done at the
>>NCAA tournament?
>
>>  My best guess is that Australia could field a
>>borderline top 20 team.  Let's think about it:
>
>Given that the US team was *extremely* fortunate to beat Australia
>for the bronze in '88, how can you say that the Australian olympic
>team is not even a top 20 NCAA side?  Weren't the old US teams
>supposed to be comprised of the *best* college players?
				 ^^^^^^

There is a big difference between a group of the best college players
thrown together for a few weeks and a college team that has been together
for a season+.

What we were sending to the olympics were a bunch of kids whose only
knowledge of some of their teammates was box scores or a few games as
opponents.  i.e. How many people really knew about Dan Majerle?

I'm sure that the Dream Team would have lost to the NBA champs from
80-present, if it were possible for them to play.

Frankly I say we should go back to the college players, just change the
format.  The winning NCAA champs best 5 plus 7 stars or maybe a pro or
two.  Give them some time to get to know each others game.
>
>Rob
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From: rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ted Rothe)
Subject: Re: Charlotte/Orlando
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:12:29 GMT

stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:

>The Boston Sunday Globe NBA review (Jackie McMullan) indicates that there
>isn't a whole lot of harmony between Stanley Roberts and Shaquille O'Neal.
>Couple that with O'Neal's recent comment that he didn't want to play a 
>"twin towers" power forward role, and you have to get the impression that
>something may still be in the works for a Roberts trade (but probably NOT
>before the season begins). The fundamental hitch here is, of course, way
>too much money for most teams to consider. I smell trouble with the Magic.

I thought that one of the aspects of the offersheet that Dallas offered to 
Roberts was a no trade clause.  As a matter of fact, this, and not necessarily
the money was considered Dallas' best chance of getting Roberts.  So my
understanding (correct me if I'm wrong Orlando fans) is that Orlando CAN'T
trade Roberts for four years.  I can really see some potential problems here.
If, for example, Roberts wants more playing time he can become a real 
malcontent and disrupt the team.  It'll be interesting to see how things
work out.
 
-- 
Ted Rothe
rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:40:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.160438.25110@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com writes:
>If the NBA is more popular than the NHL, it is undoubtedly due to TV
>exposure, or the lack thereof.

Yeah, that and the fact that basketball is the most wonderful thing ever
conceived by man, while hockey is an utterly idiotic little game played on
*ice*, for cryin' out loud.  Even ESPN, the network that brings us monster
truck races and arena football, refuses to show ice hockey.  I'd just as
soon compare the NBA to professional wrestling.

Notice that I was too chicken shit to post this to rec.sport.hockey.  Some
goon from over there (if anybody really cares enough about hockey to read that
group) would probably track me down and beat me to death with his damn stick.
You know how those people love violence.
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:06:45 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.121712.21182@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.213743.16703@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>
>>Bird has been known to be a great team defensive player, though not a good
>>one-on-one defender.  You want Jordan's weaknesses???  3pt shooting for one.
>
>Okay, you leave him open at the 3pt arc a couple of times and see how long 
>that lasts...

Well, though he has improved his 3pt shooting considerably, he is still not
a consistent 3pt shooter.  He can hit them, (if open)but than, so can 
McHale... And are you really worried about him:-)
>
>>
>>Playmaking(indiv): Jordan, Bird, Magic(Jordan, only due his ability to make 
>>				own plays, but Bird close behind, due to his
>>				ability to draw the defense out and open things
>>				up for others)
>>2nd in 5 othes (of 8), where Jordan is the best in 3 categories, 2nd in 1,
>>and 3rd in 4 categories.  And, Bird is the best in Shooting and Rebounding
>>(as well as hustle), while Jordan is the best at scoring and defense
>>(as well as indiv. playmaking, which leads to scoring).  Bird is the better
>>at teamplaymaking & passing.  This is why if someone were to ask who was the
>>better individual player, I would say Bird.  Not only was he damn good on his
>>own right, he made others so much better.  Jordan was very good in his own
>>right, and made others better, but not to the degree Bird did.
>
>Looking at your list, I notice that Bird was either number 1 or number 2, but
>NEVER number 3.  No way could *2* players be better than Bird in anything.
>Your bias shows pretty clear in individual playmaking.  You give Bird the 2nd
>spot, but mention that what makes him good at individual playmaking is 
>opening up the floor for the other players (sounds a lot like team playmaking,
>but I could be mistaken) ;^)
>
>Don't suppose your just a *little* biased...

Possibly, but no more so than you:-).  The reason I gave Bird the number 2
spot (though I didn't explain it well) is he is simply a better offensive 
player than Magic.  Most teams aren't as worried about Magic scoring as they
are him getting into the lane and dishing it to the right person.  Bird's
individual playmaking I rate higher because he does so many things.  He posts,
backs into the lane, and spins...  Or he hits the fall-away.  What I MEANT to
say above was mainly the part of his ability to draw the defense.  He was
such a lethal outside shot that he forced defenders to play him tight.  Then,
he could go around them.  Or, he would back in and fade away. (Or pass).  
Jordan is similar, but better.  His outside shot is good enough that it forces
players to play him tight, and then he just blows by them.  
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
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