HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Arthur Ashe and USA Today:  What happened to simple decency?
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:22:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: amarna.9APR199207223965
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Independence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

What's this all about?
From: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (John Morgan Morris)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Charting the murkey depths of Bill Clinton
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:17:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia State University

paws@VLSI1.VLSI.COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul Landsberg) writes:


> 
>The case against Bill Clinton:
>(Much discussion about Clinton's scandals)

How about the scandals that George Bush has been
associated with? I know many of them are rumors,
but then so are some of Clinton's.

There was a rumor of extramarital activity. Of
course, there's Iran-Contra and October Surprise.

He has many family members in potential conflict-of-
interest situations.

The S&L scandal was covered up prior to the 1988 election,
so that his son's involvement wouldn't damage his election chances.

How about the way we were misled about the Gulf War? I was for it,
but I'm not sure now whether my opinion was based on media
manipulation. Recently someone was fired for giving an estimate
of the number of Iraqis killed. And now we know that the Patriots
aren't so hot after all....

Can anyone else compile a better list? I'm just sick of seeing one
candidate getting bashed because he's new to the scene, and another
getting away with everything just because he's been around a while...


-- 
John Morgan Morris
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Georgia State University
Atlanta, GA. 30303-3083
matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
(404) 651-2253
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From: jars@milton.u.washington.edu (Juan Rodriguez-Sero)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Deportations of Palestinians from the occupied territories
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:26:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr15.180131.23019@cs.ucla.edu> jon@culv.unisys.com writes:
>... let's remember that ... the 12 Palestinians recently facing (or
>suffering?) deportation were all already imprisoned ...

Even though it might be technically a violation of the Geneva con-
ventions, deporting instead of keeping them in jail would seem a
rather charitable measure in practice, don't you think?



Juan Antonio Rodriguez-Sero     | Those who have long enjoyed
School of Oceanography          | such privileges as we enjoy
University of Washington, WB-10 | forget in time that
Seattle, WA 98195               | men have died to win them.
jars@ocean.washington.edu       |
(206) 543 - 7003 (work)         |      Franklin D. Roosevelt 
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Apr14.232215.21465@colorado.edu>
	<JIME.92Apr14230116@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr15.145219.18739@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:59:28

In article <1992Apr15.145219.18739@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr14230116@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # In article <1992Apr14.232215.21465@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric) writes:
>   # >   In article <JIME.92Apr14165943@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>
>   # The occupation, as I clearly wrote above, goes against UN resolutions.
>   # Your posting agrees with me on this count.  Why do you admonish me to
>   # get my facts straight, if we agree?
>
>	   It is not that your facts are wrong, but because the UN resolutions
>   are meaningless, your facts are irelevent.

You are of course not the person to whom the question was directed,
but anyway...
Why exactly do you say that the UN resolutions are meaningless?

>   # 242 and 338, if I remember correctly, do ask for territorial
>   # compromise, which is a code phrase for trading land for peace.
>   # As Israel occupies the land, it is clear that Israel would have to
>   # withdraw from at least part of the occupied territories under these
>   # resolutions.
>
>	   The author of 242 has repeatedly stated that Israel is not now in
>   violation of it, and that by giving up the Sinai Israel may have
>   fufilled all of its obligations under it.

That is of course for the UNSC to decide, not a single individual.
It is curious logic, however, that you simultaneously consider the UN
resolutions meaningless, and also hold up supposed compliance with
one of them as a point in Israel's favor.

>   # As for whether the UNSC or UNGA resolutions hold the force of
>   # international law, well, international law doesn't have much force
>   # anyway, so I don't know what this argument buys you.
>
>	   Since UN resolutions for the most part are political and
>   ethnocentric (just look at all the block voting), using them does not
>   buy you any kind of a morality high ground either.

Political indeed, that is what the UN is in the business for.
Ethnocentric, well, you claim that merely because Israel is on the
wrong side in this issue.  Do you consider the UN resolutions
establishing Israel as ethnocentric too?

>   # The way the occupation is being run (deportation of elements of the
>   # local populace, construction of permanent settlements, ...) also goes
>   # against the Geneva Convention.
>
>	   No they do not.

Please explain.  A simple denial doesn't hold much weight.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:13:24 GMT
	<1992Apr10.170451.3075@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
	<JIME.92Apr10223708@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr12.014433.29249@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <1992Apr12.014433.29249@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr10223708@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # Yes, you are right.  [The amount of land purchased by pre-1948
>   # Zionists] should be between 7 and 8%, not 5%.  I erred.
>
>	   One admission out of several possibilities.  At least we have a
>   start.
>
>   # This modified figure is not misleading at all, however.  Any
>   # explanations you may wish to offer are merely spins on the simple
>   # truth that the Zionists didn't buy much of what is now Israel.
>
>	   This is also misleading if not outright false.  The bought a lot
>   of what could be bought.  You would then lead the net readership to
>   believe most was stolen.  It was not.  It went to the State of Israel
>   legitimately as state land.  The only reason the amount bought was so
>   low is that you use as your basis land that could not be bought.  If
>   you use a non misleading basis, the figure is much higher.

The land that went to the State of Israel as "state land" was for the
most part legally stolen.  This is how it worked:
1.  During the 1948 war, the Israeli forces had the deliberate policy
to expel the Palestinian populace from their villages and lands.  Even
Ben Gurion participated in this decision.
2.  After the populace fled, any farmers etc returning to their lands
were arrested or shot.
3.  Many Palestinian villages were dynamited or bulldozed.  Kinda
makes it hard to come home when there is no home to come home to.
4.  The vacant lands were declared "abandoned".  Any abandoned land
was expropriated and made state land.  It was made available for sale
to Jews only (an essentially racist law).  No attempt was made to
compensate the Palestinians.

Now that was perfectly legal in the sense that it followed Israeli
law.  Yet it was not right.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  WHAT A STUPID QUESTION.
Organization: L
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:52:36 GMT

EARTH ACTUALLY CONTAINS SOMEOME THAT STUPID TO ASK SUCH A QUESTION?

jle
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Don't Sleep too Comfortably (was: IHR Scores Stunning Victory ...)
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:00:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

In article <1992Apr7.163214.9672@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>alexander.kostomaroff writes:
>>Ralph Winston of "Banished CPU" ends his verbose diatribe
>>	"IHR Scores Stunning Victory in $11 Million Mermelstein Trial!"
>>with a quote from Nietzsche:
>>	"What does not destroy me, makes me stronger".
>>
>>How appropriate, Ralph! Good old Adolf H. used to repeat the same line quite
>>often.
>>
>>Tell me with whom you share your one-liners and I tell you where are you
>>from.
>>
>>Bye-bye, Parteigenosse Winston! Sieg Heil!
>
>For all of you anti-Semities and/or Israel bashers reading this who
>are gloating "Boy, those damn Jews are sure getting theirs now" (as if
>we are, but that's another story), just remember, the neo-Nazis do
>not discriminate.  Today their target are the Jews; tomorrow, it's
>your non-white/non-Protestant ethnic/religious group.
>-- 

This is a statement I can agree with you on 100%. I was watching a program the
other day on T.V. about the  White supermacists. One of the members was describing
how you can differentiate between a real white man and non-white man. He said that
you have to slap the person on the face and if his cheek turned red, then he is a real
white man. And to illustrate that, the sucker slapped his face infront of the camera
and pointed out to the red spot on his face. If you looked at that sucker's face at
that time, you can tell from his eyes how serious he is about discrimination.
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From: jars@milton.u.washington.edu (Juan Rodriguez-Sero)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: King David Hotel bombing
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:09:57 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <JIME.92Apr17094808@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>           The King David Hotel bombing was clearly a terrorist action
>by a terrorist organization.

I beg to disagree; the King David Hotel housed the British Mandatory
intelligence and counterintelligence organizations; the demolition
of the hotel entalied the destructionn of their files, and consequent-
ly a curtailment of their operations. Clearly, the aim was not to
scare (much less terrorize) anybody; there was a clear, practical,
pragmatic aim (to nullify British Mandatory intelligence and counter-
intelligence activities) characteristic of military operations. As
far as I can tell, the activities of the Etzel (Irgun Zvai Leumi)
were not random; they were not regular armed forces, but they strived
for regularity in their actions, and for military gains.
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Brown crushes Clinton; Bush camp in disarray
Date:  9 Apr 92 20:27:42 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

mikea@psdslc3.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson) writes:

>In article <167C0A776.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:

>>The difference is I think Bush is essentially a moral person.  Brown is
>>not.

>I would vote for one of my own turds before I would vote for George Bush.
>Bush is a moral person??????? Here are some questions for you:

>1) Ollie North's diary says that he met with Bush on the Iran/Contra plan
>   well before Bush says he found out what Ollie was doing; who do you believe?
Gee, it seems to me that it was the Democrats that attempted to destroy Ollie's
character and trustworthiness...so are you trying to rehabilitate them?

>2) Bush's father ran Nixon's campaign for president in 1960, and the Bushes and
>   Nixons have had close personal ties since the 1940's; what does this say
>   to Bush's ability to judge character?
Guilt by association.  Teddy Kennedy is a Democrat.  He killed Mary-Jo
Kopeckne.  Can you explain the entire membership of the Democratic Party's
ability to judge character?

>3) Can you explain to me the morality of the War On Drugs?
No.  Can you show me a Democrat who wants to cancel it?

>4) Can you explain to me the morality of killing 200,000 people in Kuwait 
>   and Iraq?
Can you explain the proper response when a heavily armed nation takes out a
much smaller one and annexes it by force?

(If you wannt talk about Panama...don't bother.  I bet we agree!)

 -Steve
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                        -------------------
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Apr13.054206.5584@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
	<JIME.92Apr13111632@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr14.055734.25544@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:15:21

In article <1992Apr14.055734.25544@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr13111632@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # In article <1992Apr13.054206.5584@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   # >   In article <JIME.92Apr13001541@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>
>   # >   # Now that we have pretty much delimited the two poles of the argument,
>   # >   # the true state of affairs must lie somewhere in between.  Both the
>   # >   # Palestinian rock-throwers and the Israeli policy for dealing with the
>   # >   # intifada are responsible for the deaths.
>
>   # >	   Wrong.  The Israeli policy for dealing with the intifada is a
>   # >   result of the activities of the intifada (which includes the stone
>   # >   throwing).  That makes those responsible for the stone throwing
>   # >   responsible for the Israeli response.   One consequence of this is
>   # >   that those Arab parents who are responsible for the stone throwing are
>   # >   responsible for all the deaths (inclduing innocent Arabs, many of
>   # >   which are children) and they therefore should be put on trial for such
>   # >   acts.
>
>   # This sort of logic leads nowhere.
>
>	   Only if you do not understand it, as it is the case here.
>
>   # The intifada is a result of the
>   # Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
>
>	   Oh really.  Then how come it took so long.

Because some things take a long time.  The execution of some Nazi war
criminals is a result of their war crimes.  Some of these executions
didn't happen until 40-50 years later.

>   Ho come it fizzles out from time to time.  

A better characterization would be that it flares up from time to
time.  Most civil unrest takes on this nature.

>   How come there have been others who have really
>   suufered for no fault of their own who would not even contemplate an
>   intifada.  How come ...

Different circumstances, different timings, different results.

...
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:27:06 GMT
	<1992Apr10.170451.3075@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
	<JIME.92Apr10223708@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr12.014433.29249@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

[Sorry about replying in many small snippets.  Blame my news software.]
In article <1992Apr12.014433.29249@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr10223708@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # >   # And in my admittedly insufficient reading, Jerusalem was free for
>   # >   # worship to all faiths under British rule.
>
>   # >	   Jerusalem may have been, but certain places outside of Jerusalem
>   # >   were not.
>
>   # Backpedaling.  So Israel is _not_ the first power to administer
>   # Jerusalem and allow freedom of religious expression.  What were these
>   # "certain places"?
>
>	   Certain areas in what is now Judea and Samaria.  However, Israel
>   is the first local non imperial "power" to allow freedom of religious
>   expression.

You sure can be vague when you want to be.  ("Certain areas" in this
case means uncertain areas.)  I will take that as a sign that you
don't know what you are talking about.

Now as for the rest of your claim, it is so restrictive as to be
meaningless.  Jerusalem has been under the control of various
non-local governments for centuries.  Just which government are you
comparing the present Israeli government with?  Not the British
government.  Not the Ottoman Empire.  Not the Crusaders.  Not the
Byzantine Empire.  Not the Roman Empire.  Not the Babylonians.  Not
the Assyrians.  Perhaps the ancient Israelites, who were local after a
fashion, and were hardly religiously tolerant.

You also seem to forget that when the Moslems took over Jerusalem from
the Byzantine empire about 640 AD, one of the first things they did
was to let the Jews back into Jerusalem.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:09:21 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Apr16.232347.13363@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>In article <JIME.92Apr15124737@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>|In article <1992Apr15.140120.8193@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>|>   In article <1992Apr13.203813.19355@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>|>   # Aha!  Now we begin to get the idea.  If an act of resistance (such as
>|>   # blowing up a hotel serving as British headquarters and killing innocent
>|>   # Arabs, Jews and British) is committed by Zionists, it is NOT terrorism.
>|>   # If a similar act, of course, was committed by Palestinians (note,
>|>   # Makowsky, no cute ?) then it would be a heinous terrorist act.
>
>|>	   Not at all.  I suggest you do two things.  Go read about what
>|>   actually happened at the King David hotel (and why it had to happen),
>|>   and shut up when you do not know what you are talking about.
>
>|I _have_ read about what actually happened at the King David Hotel.
>|It had all the hallmarks of a well-planned terrorist attack, including
>|the proverbial warning phone call (which was ignored by the British),
>|and timing with another terrorist attack elsewhere.
>
>Which other terorist attacks have been preceded by phone calls telling
>when and where they would take place?  Am I missing a serious chunck
>of history?

Off the top of my head, the IRA is a huge example.

>
>Adam
>
>
>Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu
>
>What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
>at all.  How true that is.      


-- 
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From: bs764@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Fred H Olson)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Vermont Castings - Opinions?
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:14:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.071432.26256
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


We have a little used Vermont Castings stove that we didnt use
after installing it in front of the fire place -- We live in the
center city, dont have a ready wood supply and just didnt use
it , therefore I have no opinion about the stove design etc.
We'd be willing to sell it but of course there's the matter
of moving it. 
  
It is the smaller non (pre) catalytic stove with the front opening doors
[sorry I dont have the details at hand but could dig them out if anyones
interested] I'd guess it was new in the mid 80's and little used.

Please reply to me by email as I dont read this group much (I stopped
by in case it might be a place CoHousing might be discussed)

Fred Olson
fred%jwh@vx.acs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: erik@vcd.hp.com (Erik Kilk)
Subject: Re: Tillers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:40:34 GMT


I enjoy my Troybuilt Econo Hourse and would buy it again anyday.

- Erik
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: moore@nlm.nih.gov (Robin Moore)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY:  Acid Neutralizers
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:48:34 GMT


I have been unable to send e-mail directly to Eric Hill.

Yes, Eric - I would be interested in learning about the experiences of your
friend and his acid neutralizer.  I can be reached by e-mail at the address
below.  Thanks.

	Robin Moore (moore@nlm.nih.gov)

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