From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:51:10 GMT

In article <8456@orbit.cts.com>, chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
|> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
|> >HEY COMMODORE, PAY ATTENTION ...
|> 
|> huh?  wha?  did you say something?

Do you work for Commodore? 

|> >My opinions for what they are worth...
|> 
|> I think you should pay US for reading them...

Then you should DOUBLE the ante for your reply...

|> >1) Minimum CPU in any of your systems ... 68030. If a company like
|> >   Atari can follow Apple's lead, then so should you. 
|> 
|> Both the Atari and Apple *NEED* 030 based machines to do the job a 68000 or
|> 020 based Amiga could do.  Since their graphics systems suck so much CPU time,
|> they need higher powered CPU's just to be usable.  In apples case, you need an
|> 030 just to make their OS usable.

That's bullsh*t. It's absolutely no justification for running the greatest
multimedia computer in the world at sub-light speeds when it could be running
at warp factor 9!

How much more expensive **IS** a 68020? I'd bet the chip itself is under $100
now, and I'd be SHOCKED if it's over $200. So, for the extra $100, we could
have a 68020-based Amiga. It's worth it, believe me!

|> Commodore does more for their customers than ANY OTHER computer manufacturer. 
|> No other company has offerered to give you $1500 dollars off a computer just
|> for owning any of their other products (some of them 15 years old).  No other
|> company has given you a bus specification that is as much of an advance and
|> still keeps backward compatibility as ZorroIII.  

I've never had a problem with Commodore's upgrade path. I agree that it's better
than any other computer manufacturer out there. I'D rather be satisfied in 
terms of what Commodore is doing FOR THE FUTURE, not what they're doing FOR
THE PAST. So far, no dice.

|> > 3) CD-ROM or a CDTV SOLUTION for all your products. 
|> 
|> funny, i don't see any other computer manufacturer shipping CD-Roms in every
|> system they produce... what a stupid idea..

You are dense, aren't you? He said SOLUTIONS, as in, optional equipment. Of
course nobody ships CD-ROMs with each of their computers - but they're available
for each and every model! Not on the Amiga... at least, not without a major 
headache...

|> NewTek DELIBERATELY made the toaster against specifications.  I'm sure they
|> had a 3000 long before the toaster even shipped, they certainly knew the specs
|> years before the toaster shipped.

Oh, come on! Bet you think the breakup of the Soviet Union is just another 
Commie plot, too. I just lost what little respect I had for you.

|> > 5) ADVERTISE! Atari is spending $60 million dollars to roll out
|> >    the Falcon. (Source San Jose Mercury News) The new sci-fi
|> >    series Babylon 5 seems a good place to start. 
|> 
|> Umm.. perhaps you haven't seen the recent spreads in InfoWorld, Byte, and many
|> other major publications... Television advertising just isn't cost effective,
|> especially in this day and age where people are working more hours, and have
|> less free time to watch tv with.

Great! Wonderful! Altho I think it's real stupid to put Amiga ads in AmigaWorld,
where 90+% of the readers own the friggin' thing, and the mag itself can be
considered one big Amiga ad...

How about getting CDTV ads into things like Time and NewsWeek? Magazines that
NON-computer people read? THAT's who Commodore should be trying to sell Amigas
and CDTVs to; not the people who already own them!

As for TV advertising, it can be VERY cost-effective if used strategically. The
idea about getting Amiga ads into Babylon 5 commercial breaks is a stroke of
genius, and should be pounced upon immediately by Commodore marketing. If 
scripted correctly, to point out the fact that the Amiga is responsible for all
of the computer-generated graphics in the show, a couple of 15-second spots can
turn the entire SHOW into an Amiga commercial!

Hell, if Commodore had any REAL brains, they'd get themselves listed as the 
sponsors of the show, and guarantee a prominent spot right after the opening
credits play...

(no offense, C= guys....)

|> > 6) A4000 needs immediate work before market release. Sure it has
|> >    great new graphics, but where is the improved sound? You can't
|> >    tout it as a multimedia machine if you are using yesteryear's
|> >    technology.
|> 
|> Why not?  It's a multi-media machine.  It beats Microsofts idea of
|> multi-media.  I see no connection between age of technology, and how usefull
|> it is in multi-media.

The implication being that "yesteryear's technology" is inferior to present
technology, which it is.

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No wonder you're out of work, with an attitude like that!

(I can't BELIEVE I just typed that... sorry! It's just that people who defend
Commodore in everything they do really drive me crazy. Someone called you guys
the "Anti-Barretts"... and it fits!  (Mark Barrett, not Dave...)

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