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From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: Michigan Deer Season
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:49:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.182809.29461@meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
>This is really interesting.  Why exactly is there such a fear of being
>shot during deer hunting season?  There can only be 3 possibilities:
>
>1) The hunters are idiots who can't tell a brightly colored, loud, fast
>   moving snowmobile from a brown, silent, stealthy deer.
>
>2) The hunters are angry-young-men types who will blow your head off if
>   you screw with their hunting prospects by riding a snowmobile through
>   the woods.
>
>3) You might get shot accidentally if you come flying through the woods
>   between a hunter and his prey just as he fires.
>
>Granted, in any of the three cases, you're just as shot.  But what does
>#1 say for hunters?  I was once a hunter myself, so I feel like I can
>converse on the subject intelligently, and I just can't buy reason #1.
>
>#2 is really no more intellectually attractive to me.  Has our society
>really degenerated that far?  I know we're a collective mess, but come on!
>Are the woods really filled with cold-blooded killers?  I can't buy
>*that* either!
>
>So that leaves me with #3.  And what are the odds of this happening?
>Look, I've hunted.  I *know* that it's not like the Daffy Duck cartoon
>where everything that moves is blasted by a hail of gunfire.  It just
>doesn't fly that a law has to be passed to protect snowmobilers from
>hunters.  So is it possible that it's just an issue of "fairness"? What
>I mean is, is the legislation designed to keep the snowmobilers out of
>the woods to give the hunters a better chance of getting a deer?
>
>*That* I *can* accept.  Anybody know for sure what's behind this kind
>of legislation?  Are other states besides MI and WI doing this?
>
>--
>Doug Ritter (dougr@meaddata.com)

In all fairness - I doubt you would get shot. But you have to ask
yourself one question... "do ya feel lucky??"
I agree... when was the last time you saw a green or red deer with
either 650 or EXT painted on the side??? :-)
But what the hell, why take the chance.

On a more serious note - the type of weapon used may make a
difference. Like shotguns slugs for instance dont carry far at
all. But rifle bullets do -- many miles for that matter.
Also snowmobiles move very quickly. I run up on deer all the time
where they are just a couple of feet from the front of the
sled. Just because a hunter heres a sled off in the distance
doesent mean it won't appear in his sights at any moment.

don
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From: bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Re: Names for your snowmobiles.
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:15:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA

In article <1992Nov12.211042.1528@meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
>I've never done any customizing of my sled's exterior, but I did name my '65

There are two trains of thought here.  Some of the guys put lots of money into
the paint because they want to be "loud" visually about what they have under
the hood.

My philosophy (sledhead philosophy, sounds like a great subject for study)
is that keeping it simply adds an element of surprise and gives me a chance
to deflate a few egos.  My machine has nothing fancy on the exterior except
for a few decalls on the hood.  The typical scenario is that I am sitting
at a trail stop and somebody pulls up on a WildCat or Indy 650.  They see
the stock '84 Indy 600 colors and ask "Want to race".  I make a comment
about them riding newer machines than mine but that what the heck its all
in fun.  Admittedly when I start up the 707 the SLP pipes raise some 
eye brows and if the person is riding a modified triple, they usually
can tell that the '84 600 isn't a 600, but surprisingly most don't get
the clue until we come to a stop down the trail a ways.  They want to
know why that old 600 can run so hard.

Its all in fun and if I were honest, the second most important reason to
shear power that I am into the performance stuff is that with my weight,
240+, I need all the power I can get to pack my ass up the mountain.


>
>It's no wonder you're so into the aftermarket performance stuff Dan - if I rode
>with people who put stuff like that on their sleds, I would be too!  Not sure
>I'd have the balls to ride a 'Cat with 'em though. ;-)
>

Actually, a couple of the machines I mentioned are 'Cats.  There are a couple
of them that are very brand loyal as am I, but we all like to ride and if
there is one thing I have learned about sled mods, it is that there is 
ALWAYS someone with a faster, meaner, pretty sled than yours.

Besides, I have all this money I have to spend it somewhere.... NOT!!:-)


Dan Canfield
bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu

DoD #0071,RP90
'89 FJ1200
'89 Indy707
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From: dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter)
Subject: Re: Michigan Deer Season
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:21:51 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov20.184958.1426@tellab5.tellabs.com> don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.182809.29461@meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
>>This is really interesting.  Why exactly is there such a fear of being
>>shot during deer hunting season?  There can only be 3 possibilities:
>>

[stuff deleted]

>where they are just a couple of feet from the front of the
>sled. Just because a hunter heres a sled off in the distance
>doesent mean it won't appear in his sights at any moment.

Well, for me anyway, it's a moot point now.  There's no snow within
driving distance and we're going south next week, so I won't have a
chance to go sledding until after deer season.  Damn, I was *really*
hoping for an early start this year!

--
Doug Ritter (dougr@meaddata.com)
From: lark@solbourne.com (Daniel Larkin)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Questions from a newbie
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:13:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: ollie.solbourne.com

Hello,

        I have a few questions for all sledders out there who might know or
have information about older machines. I am a newcomer to this group and to
snowmobiles in general, and wish to gather whatever info I can about a sled
I'm thinking of buying. It's a 1975 Scorpion Whip. Yes, it's old, but is in
fair condition and starts on the first pull every time. The asking price is
$300, which is around the price I was looking for seeing that funds are of the
highest priority right now. My questions are, does this sound like a reasonable
price for a machine of this age? (also, it has about 2100 miles on it) Does
anyone now anything about the overall realibility or performance of this
particular machine. I know there are no guarantees with a sled of this age
or mileage, but I'm looking for a hopefully decent, inexpensive snowmobile
to get my "feet wet" until I win the lottery. Thanks in advance for any
positive input to my questions.

       -Dan L.-
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From: dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter)
Subject: Re: Michigan Deer Season
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:18:26 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov17.161735.14218@meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
>Just talked to my Cat dealer this morning about this and that, and
>during the conversation I mentioned that I was hoping to go to Cadillac
>MI in a couple of weeks (Dec 1 or 2).  He told me not to go before
>Dec 1 because deer season is on until then and it was illegal to ride
>before that.
>
>Is that true?  It wasn't true in Wisconsin back when I used to ride
>up there - the hunters and sledders and skiers all co-existed (sometimes
>uneasily, I admit) in the woods.
>
>If noone here knows the answer to this, I'll call the Chamber of Commerce
>in Cadillac.  I'll post what I find out.
>
>--
>Doug Ritter (dougr@meaddata.com)

It's true.  I just talked to the Cadillac MI Chamber of Commerce, and it's
illegal to ride during the day before 11/30 when deer season ends.  You can
ride all you want at night.

Cadillac only has about six inches of snow on the ground right now, the sun
is shining and the temps are in the upper 30's.  There are parts of Michigan's
LP (according to WJR) that have gotten more than 2 feet in the last week.
Must be up around Indian River.

Think Snow!

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From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: DG pipes
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:01:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.220116.25012@col.hp.com> chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice) writes:
>Dyno Tech has tested a bunch of them in their pipe shootouts. Some don't
>look to bad, however some do. I just quickly thumbed through the Dyno
>Tech issues but didn't see any DG test results on a 650. Wait a minute...
>here it is:
>
>	91 Indy 650, carbs
>	Stock HP = 97.3 @ 92dB @ 8000 RPM
>	DG pipes HP = 110.4 @ 100dB @ 9000 RPM
>	No idea which version the DG pipes are
>	The DG's were the worst of the bunch in this test
>
>13 HP may be worth it if you can get a reasonable price and don't mind
>running the engine at 9000 RPM and have a good set of ear plugs.

Thanks for the info Chuck!!

Do you know if the 91' has the 02 style (RXL) heads??? These have
bigger intake and exhaust ports. If they stayed with the same pipe
design from the older 89-90 years this may explain the lower HP. My
sled still has the older 01 style head design. I don't know when
they started installing the newer ones.

As a side note, if anyones interested in the pipe shootout info for
the 89 or 90 650's ... I have it. I just don't have anything on DG.

don
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From: dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter)
Subject: Michigan Deer Season
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:17:35 GMT
Distribution: na

Just talked to my Cat dealer this morning about this and that, and
during the conversation I mentioned that I was hoping to go to Cadillac
MI in a couple of weeks (Dec 1 or 2).  He told me not to go before
Dec 1 because deer season is on until then and it was illegal to ride
before that.

Is that true?  It wasn't true in Wisconsin back when I used to ride
up there - the hunters and sledders and skiers all co-existed (sometimes
uneasily, I admit) in the woods.

If noone here knows the answer to this, I'll call the Chamber of Commerce
in Cadillac.  I'll post what I find out.

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From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: DG pipes
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:24:07 GMT

Does anyone have any direct or indirect experiance with DG
performance pipes for a Polaris 650??? Are they worth the added expense???
I have a chance to get a used set for a real good price but I don't
know much about them. How do they rate against say... PSI, Starting
Line, or AAEN???

Specifically, these are 89' pipes and I'd like to use them on my
90'650. DG sells two different models, one is for 88'-89' and the
others for 90'-92'. The only difference according to DG, is the
exhaust outlet port position in the belly pan.
Apparently there are no physical differences between an 89' and 90'
motor. This means they both make the same HP.
Does anyone have any further comments?????

thanks
don
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From: rob.twilt@rose.com (rob twilt)
Subject: Studs
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:16:43 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 11-23-92 21:02
I have a couple of questions about track studding.  I just ordered push
through studs to install on my XLT Special.  I have heard all sorts of
stories as to how to best install them.  I've been told the best way is
to heat a nail with a propane torch and push it through the track and
then push the stud into the hole.  I ordered .875" studs.  Is it
imperative to install tunnel protectors?  Are the tunnel protectors
needed only if your track becomes loose?  These new push through type
studs come with square backing plates and nylock nuts.  Is Loctite still
needed with these nuts?  Woody's recommends 96 studs for trail riding
with a machine between 75-100 hp.  Polaris will warranty a track with no
more than 48 studs.  So I am just going to install 48 for now.

                  Thanks

                       Rob
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From: mshaughn@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael R Shaughnessy (U))
Subject: NEWS feeds??? UN available?
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:25:36 GMT

Hello, I am looking for any info regarding news feeds and their accessablitiy
on the network. Are there any FTP sites that would have newsfeeds from UPI
or Ap oin line???

Please amil.

Please mail all responses to shaughmr@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu

thanks
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Dutch Newspapers?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:24:05 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Barry Mook (bmook1@cc.swarthmore.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	I'm a dutch student who's attending swarthmore college for a couple of
: years and I must say that I am slightly disappointed at the fact that there
: are very few dutch here.  The school library does not subscribe to a dutch
: newspaper and I therefore find myself very isolated from my home country. 

See 'soc.culture.netherlands'.  For a while there were a few folks from
Amsterdam posting an 'Internetkrant' daily news, in Dutch.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB

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From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:48:04 GMT

zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:

>If the media is biased to the left, why is that so?  What does it gain 
>by being biased?  

I'm not sure if anyone is suggesting the media is biased deliberately,
but is biased solely by the type of people it attracts. Many reporters
get into reporting because they want to "change the world". This view
lends itself well to the liberal viewpoint.

>John 
>zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
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From: chawley@andy.bgsu.edu (Chris Hawley)
Subject: Nets for Journalists
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:17:14 GMT


I have found two journalism-related nets, MassComm at Comserve and JOURNET
through Listserv.  MassCom seems to be very academic-oriented.  I haven't
had much time to experiment with JOURNET yet.  

The address for Comserve is:
   
    Comserv@Vm.Ecs.Rpi.Edu

Send a message to the address with this as body text:
   
    Join Masscom Sheree Curry

(I think this is the correct command.  If not, Comserve will let you know.)
The system responds VERY quickly, and it will send you welcome mail and
other information to get you started.

To get ahold of JOURNET, send a message with the word "Info" as body text to:

    Journet@QUCDN.QueensU.CA

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From: bmook1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Barry Mook)
Subject: Dutch Newspapers?
Organization: Swarthmore College
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:30:09 GMT

Hi everyone,

	I'm a dutch student who's attending swarthmore college for a couple of
years and I must say that I am slightly disappointed at the fact that there
are very few dutch here.  The school library does not subscribe to a dutch
newspaper and I therefore find myself very isolated from my home country. 
Does anyone know a way in which I could come in contact with a newspaper
distributor here in the states (that way the price would be a little more
attractive)? I live in the Philadelphia area, so, naturally, the closer the
better.

	You can contact me by sending me an e-mail (bmook1@cc.swarthmmore.edu) or
sending me a letter: Barry Mook 96, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA
19081.  I do look at the network frequently so putting it up on the board
will be fine as well,,,, thanks!

Barry Mook!

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From: tufnel@camelot.bradley.edu (Timothy Bartley)
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:10:59 GMT

It seems that everyone is talking about individual reporting biases rather
than corporate "biases" that are much more powerful.  Do you realize that over
half the media sources in the U.S. are owned by around 25 corporations?  In a
situation like this, objectivity is bound to lessen.  I would suggest that
anyone interested read a bood called "The Media Monopoly" by Ben Bagdikian.

tim
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From: dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:56:08 GMT
Organization: Detroit Free Press
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Thomas Richard Stevenson (tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu) wrote:
: dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor) writes:
: 
: >: I'm not sure if anyone is suggesting the media is biased deliberately,
: >: but is biased solely by the type of people it attracts. Many reporters
: >: get into reporting because they want to "change the world". This view
: >: lends itself well to the liberal viewpoint.
: >: 
: >I suspect that my right-of-center friends -- including some in the media
: >-- would be amazed to learn that they want the world to remain as it is.
: 
: A "change the world" view and a "make the world better" view is not necessary
: the same thing. No one wants the world to remain as it is.
: 
Semantics. Are you saying people on the left don't want to make the world
better? That they want change for the worse?

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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@launchpad.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:59:14 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Nov21.162617.8524@Princeton.EDU> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes:
>Chuck Lavazzi writes:
>> Sorry, can't let this one pass.  The  *fact* is that Quayle
>> claimed that Gore had called on the USA to spend $100
>> million on environmental cleanups, which was an
>> outright lie.  Gore's book suggests that the amount
>> necessary would be on the order of what was spent on the
>> Marshall Plan after WW II, which would have been about
>> $100 million in contemporary dollars.  He goes on to say
>> that the USA could not possibly pay for all that alone and,
>> in *fact*, calls for a consortium of nations to foot the
>> bill. 
>
>Sorry, can't let that one pass. The word is _BILLION_, not _MILLION_. That is a  
>difference by a factor of a thousand. And before you dismiss this point as  
>nitpicking, please remember that your error is the equivalent of claiming that  
>George Bush stands six times taller than the empire state building or that in  
>his presidency the economy doubled in size every other week.
	Interesting that you eliminated the context.  The *point* was that
Quayle claimed that Gore called on the USA to spend this amount on
environmental cleanups world wide, while the fact was that Gore said no such
thing.  The actual size of the figure is irrelevant.  Go ahead and substitute
"billion" for "million" if it makes you happy.  Quayle was still lying.
>
>	Carl Edman

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From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:51:27 GMT
 <1992Nov16.195728.4662@uts.cc.wayne.edu> <tufnel.722113859@camelot>
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <tufnel.722113859@camelot>, tufnel@camelot.bradley.edu (Timothy Bartley) writes:
> It seems that everyone is talking about individual reporting biases rather
> than corporate "biases" that are much more powerful.  Do you realize that over
> half the media sources in the U.S. are owned by around 25 corporations?  In a
> situation like this, objectivity is bound to lessen.  I would suggest that
> anyone interested read a bood called "The Media Monopoly" by Ben Bagdikian.

There's something in what Ben says, but not much; Ben's book is showing its
age.  If I remember correctly, we read it in my Media Analysis class in college
circa 1979.

Yes, General Electric-type businesses still own some of the major media outlets
(NBC, in GE's case).  However, since "TMM" was written, things have changed
radically; many of the corporations that NOW own major media are far removed
from the hulking, big-business types of "corporations," using their subsidieary
media outlets as a big-business mouthpiece, that Bagdikian had in mind with his
allegations of "corporate control." 

"Corporations" still control the major media, but what types?  Increasingly,
it's *media* and/or *entertainment* corporations.  What is the primary business
avenue for Ted Turner's empire?  Or Disney, Columbia, Gannett, The New York
Times Company, Time-Warner, etc?  And increasingly, the "news" department at
the networks is overseen more by the entertainment division (the movie
'Network' was ahead of its time in that respect). 

Many media outlets are, to be sure, still used as mouthpieces by their
owners... so it IS worthwhile to ask what axes those owners have to grind.  In
Turner's case, it is all too apparent (IMHO, he hastened to add).
Unfortunately, as the ownership shifts to entertainment/media corporations,
there are fewer independent, unfettered reporters remaining to ask these
questions. 

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