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From: mh4e@frc.ri.cmu.edu (Michael Heiler)
Subject: AikiJuJutsu
Reply-To: mh4e@frc.ri.cmu.edu
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:29:05 GMT


My sensei has recently moved from New York to Minnesota,
and is looking for students to study AikiJuJutsu.

When: Mon and Wed, 5:30 - 7:00 pm

Where: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities campus, Rarig Hall, room 10.

Wear: Loose cloathing or gi

All level beginers welcome

Further info call 612-625-0861

If you are in the area, I highly suggest you check this out.
He is the best MA teacher I have studied under (and I have tried
many). And he doesn't read this bboard, that I know of, so this is 
a very honest opinion.

- Mike 





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From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Better atemi for Aikido
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:07:35 GMT
Summary: nasty bags

In article <1992Nov7.191200.11434@alw.nih.gov>, drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
> 
> Let yourself go nuts once in a while against the bag.  Imagine
> that it wants to kill you, and will yourself to drop it with a
> single strike.

Actually, the bag *does* want to kill you.  The one at my ATA TKD
club attacked me as I was storing it last Monday evening. 
The attack came without any warning, and the bag used its steel 
attachment chain with great effect, leaving a fist-sized purple
and yellow bruise just below my right clavicle.  I don't know if 
it keyupped or not: I think I probably drowned it out with all the 
magic words I was using at the time.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
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From: ederpc@rtsg.mot.com (Pamela C. Eder)
Subject: 10th Dan
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:45:15 GMT

My Kung-Fu system's (Kang-Chuan-Do) So Shihan is a 10th Dan who
practices in the San Fernando Valley area of California (i think).
His name is So Shihan Walter Barkowski.  I train in the Chicago area
with Shihan Joe Gangi (8th Dan).  Master Barkowski, to my knowledge is
the only 10th Dan in my style.  

 
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From: phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen)
Subject: Re: What it is with internal styles
Originator: phantom@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:33:12 GMT

In article <1dc4rhINNcpg@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov05.143044.1057@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>>[Path of least resistance litany...]
>>
>>	By the way, does what I say make sense to the other internal stylists
>>out there?
>
>Speaking from my own experience, all that sounds just fine until the first 
>few times you "feel" an opponent's attack while the idea for it is still being
>formed, or you manage to "take control" of an opponent's body and make them do
>something they are mentally resisting.

	Sounds like a bit of JuJistsu

>
>
>Right now, I'm pretty sure I don't understand what makes internal arts 
>actually work.  I have a pretty good idea, though, that when I do, it isn't 

	I have worked on this in my own art and am assuming one of two things
knowing what is going to happen before it does or making an opponent strike
a specific target so that you can block and counter..


	To explain, I set a friend on the OTHER SIDE of a DOOR, yes a solid
door with no view.  I told him to concentrate on the surroundigs and to
say when he felt an attack was comming and to tell me if it was in the 
gut Chudan or the face Jodan.  He was able to call all spots so I decided
to get nasty and cheat I decided to throw a puch to groin level, from
the other sided of the door he freaked and said he felt something but
it was LOW! I asked how low and he named the proper area.. Thus 
proving to him that there was something more to MA that just flashy kicks
and punches soo he soon wants to join a MA class.
	Personally I call the whole thing self preservation, and dont
rely on the mystical Ki/Chi idea, and I do not think that will change.

	 I also have heard my Karate teacher talking about His Iaido class
where you may have someone near by point a 'LIVE BLADE' from a sword at
you while you are blidfolded, and he says you really feel that sword!



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 You may train for a long time, but if you mereley move your hands and feet
and jump up and down like a puppet, learning karate is not very different from
learning a dance.  You will never have reached the heart of the matter; you 
will have failed to grasp the quintessence of karate-do
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	Christopher Columbus is a lie, he borrowed a Norwegian MAP!  Then he
stole all the credit for the discovery of America.  But since he could not read
Norwegian he messed up and ended up down around the Behamahs instead of up 
around Newfoudland and New England.
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From: kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Damien Kixk)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 03:30:24 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1992Nov09.142134.19412@srg.srg.af.mil> 
   dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>In article <25441@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>>
>>Well, a guy came around to a Tai Chi class I was in who said he did Kempo.
>>He surprised a few people by saying that he broke his hands punching
>>hard objects..  as he proudly put it:
>>
>>	"I must break my own bones so that I can break the bones of
>>	 my opponent"
>>
>>just so..   this seems pretty tough to me...
>>
>>gosh, maybe I should have someone beat me over the head with
>>a baseball bat so that when it REALLY happens, I'll be used to it !
>
>Not so tough...He can never train to kill, can he? :-)
>
>	David Pipes
>robear@digex.com

       Didn't they used to do just that?  Didn't that used to
  be the whole point?  Someone please bring up this subject ...
  I know it wasn't that simple.  To wax all hollywoodish, I
  realize there were the Shaolin monks (only "experience" I've
  had with them is through the tv show "Kung-fu").

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From: itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser)
Subject: Germany
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:12:27 GMT


I am a green belt in Karate (I'd mention that the style of Sho-Rei
if I knew how to spell it off hand) and I plan to be going to Germany
(probably Bonn) next fall (1993), and was wondering of anyone knew of the
martial arts scene in the area.  (I know, too many parenthesis.)
From: vetrima@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kendo
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:53:33 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Hello, I'm new to this palace and have a request. Could anyone intrested 
or who has info about kendo in the Indiana or N.J./N.Y. area please 
contact me either via the board or E-mail.


Thanks,

Enzo
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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:00:00 +0000

Richard A. Drury writes:
>>If you mean seen and Dojo sparing, I've seen Kase Sensei, who is certainly
>>older than 60 and I think may be in his seventies, kick the crap out of
>>3 very senior Dan grades between the ages of about 25 and 45. The only
>>way I can describe it was that he was the calm at the centre of the storm.
>
>I'm 98% certain you mean that he fought them one at a time,
>but your description of him as the eye of the storm makes me
>wonder if maybe by some chance you meant he took them all on at
>once.  You meant the former, right?  Just to satisfy my morbid
>curiosity, how was the defeat of these younger guys determined?
>Knockout, points, "I concede," or what?
>--


It was all at the same time although at no one time did they get the chance
to hit simultaneously. It wasn't decided on knockouts so I suppose you
could say it was points, but that wouldn't be entirely accurate either. He
hit them cleanly on vital points for the most part, and he took a couple of
shots as well (but if youve seen him you would know that a body shot would
have very little effect).


As far as I am concerned he clearly beat them by simply outclassing them.
I think everybody on the net has had that feeling at one time or another that
your opponent is simple playing with you, seemingly hitting you where and
when he wants. It wasn't necessary for there to be a knockout, for points
to be declared or for anyone to concede - he was simply in control.


Bill Burgar.
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:03:51 GMT

In article bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Richard A. Drury (drury@helix.nih.gov) writes:
>>So, what's the story here?  Who among us has actually fought
>>someone 70 or older and lost?  Second hand "experience" doesn't
>>count.  If this actually happened to you, how old were you at the
>>time, what sort of condition were you in, and what was your
>>level of experience?
>
>
>Do you mean personally or actually seen, and do you mean a real fight
>or Dojo sparing.

Well, I guess I meant "personally experienced," but "saw" is
close enough for the sake of discussion.  By "fight," I meant
full-contact competition of one form or another.

>If you mean seen and Dojo sparing, I've seen Kase Sensei, who is certainly
>older than 60 and I think may be in his seventies, kick the crap out of
>3 very senior Dan grades between the ages of about 25 and 45. The only
>way I can describe it was that he was the calm at the centre of the storm.

I'm 98% certain you mean that he fought them one at a time,
but your description of him as the eye of the storm makes me
wonder if maybe by some chance you meant he took them all on at
once.  You meant the former, right?  Just to satisfy my morbid
curiosity, how was the defeat of these younger guys determined? 
Knockout, points, "I concede," or what?
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: 10th Dan
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:29:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.214811.18003@src.dec.com> kjones@src.dec.com (Kevin Jones) writes:
>According to Stan Pranin (in the Aiki News Encyclopedia), Seiseki Abe
>was verbally awarded 10th Dan by O'Sensei. According to publicity
>material for a video sent to my dojo, Minoru Mochizuki was also
>verbally awarded 10th Dan.

	I think that Mochizuki was actually given a menkyo kaiden by Ueshiba -
read somewhere that after Ueshiba died, they found some reminder among his
papers to award him the rank.

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: jwalters@stsci.edu
Subject: Better atemi for Aikido
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:44:20 GMT

For a few weeks now, my sensei has been lecturing my class for its
poor atemi and overall "mushiness".  I certainly know that I am often
far too tentative.   My problem is partially poor technique, but
mostly a lack of focus and mental toughness.  (Is this "fighting
spirit"?) 

My dojo offers a punch/kick class once a week during the second 
(advanced/optional) class period.  I plan to attend this class as 
often as my somewhat erratic schedule will allow, but I wonder if it 
will be enough.  I know it will improve my technique, but I'm not sure 
about the fighting spirit.  Should I study a second, harder style?

I have been studying Aikido for about seven months.  While I have
always intended to study a more self-defense oriented art in a few
years, I have strong doubts about taken a second style before I am
competant in Aikido.  My budget also limits my options.  I know of a
Bushinkan (sp?) karate club which I might be able to attend once a
week.  Is this a good idea?  Does anybody suggestions? 

				Thanks in advance,
				Jim W.
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: New Jersey Kendo
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:07:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13922
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Nov11.112311.20457@yang.earlham.edu> vetrima@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>Could anyone send me info about Kendo clubs in the Indiana or New Jersey area.
>
  Contact the Fort Lee Kyudokan Dojo
              Dwight-Englewood Schl.
              315 E. Palisades Ave.
              Englewood, NJ

    Mitsunori Matsuo
    21 Leroy Street
    Tenafly, NJ  07670
    (201)569-0461

or

    Mozart Ishizuka
    323 Haines Road
    Bedford Hills, NY  10507
    (914)241-0095

Good luck.  I am sorry that I don't have the complete
information handy.




-- 
Robert Stroud       Robert_Stroud@simulacrum.wv.tek.com
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
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From: a908301@server1.tiuk.ti.com
Subject: Self-Def Courses more Harm than Good?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:51:52 GMT

Short self defence courses have a very limited benefit 
unless the students attend a regular class. The idea with
any MA is to build up the students reactions so when a
situation occurs in which he/she has too defend themselves
they can put into action what they have been taught. But the
only way this can happen is to train the techniques until 
they become second nature. In a self defence situation you 
typically won't have time to think, just react.

This brings me onto my next point, what happens if you freeze?
A student, whether they are on a self defence course or attend
a regular MA class, must realise that ..IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!!!
Rape, mugging, etc is not something that just happens to other
people. When someone freezes it is a form of shock, disbelief,
"this can't be happening to me". And unfortunately you cannot
teach anyone this, that is totally up to the student.

So self defence seminars have a very limited benefit, it helps 
the student realise that something can be done to defend
themselves, but they should also be made to realise that they 
need regular training to stand any chance of putting techniques
into practise in a "live" situation.

---
Andy Hudson (a908301@server1.tiuk.ti.com)

    - NE TE CONFUNDANT ILLEGITIMI ! -
From: richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:57:29 GMT
Reply-To: parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Masterful Enterprises UnLimited.


In article <4107@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP writes:

 >         A hard style isn't important because there are limits to how 
 > much external physical strength a person can generate, and as that person
 > ages this strength will vanish.  A hard style isn't important because 
 > there's no reason to become injured or injure others merely to train.  A
 > hard style isn't important because you can get to the same place without all
 > that _effort_ and still have most of your body intact...

Okay.  BUT.  I've seen a woman black belt in Kyokushinkai, who must
weigh about 60kgs soaking wet.  She is one of the toughest fighters I
have seen.  All these "tough" karateka I have met who are oldish say
that all their injuries are not karate related - "this one was from when
I went parachuting and did it wrong" type of thing.  The _really_ scary
thing is that they are still good fighters with hip replacements and no
flexibility, because they are "_tough_"...

 >         `The World's Toughest' ?  I've heard that a true Tai Chi master
 > is unbeatable...  I've seen aikido that could not be touched...  Who knows?

True.  I have seen awesome aikido.  But how many people do you know who
are that good? 8-)
From: ph2sct@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Dzu Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time for belts/knife techniques
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:22:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <9NOV199210204090@zeus.tamu.edu> khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd) writes:
>>Unarmed, against a knife:
>this person whom I know. This person whom I know lunged turned the knife around
>blade against the forearm and had it against the BB's throat.
>The point of this post is whether anyone trains against a knife held in that 
>manner.

 yeah there are numerous techniques dealing with in close knife and
gun 'attacks'. Guns are trickier because of teh muzzle flash and
safety margin involved but you are correct in assuming that most
martial arts do not teach many defenses against situations like
this.
it's a shame really since most techniques taught are only for use
against a stab or slash that is over exaggerated.    

Dzu
From: exudmsun@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Example of a martial arts cult
Summary: Wow!
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:02:53 GMT
Reply-To: exudmsun@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: E
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 20204@PA.dec.com, stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
->
->Source: October 26 issue of the Boston Phoenix
->Author: Rie Kahn
"I was willing to die for those people," Russell Johnson says now.  
"I thought [in the hospital] that if they [Chung Moo instructors] do take 
me out of there, and it doesn't work out and I do die ... maybe they'll 
bury me in my uniform."

Wow!	The eyes are blind to which that the mind can not see.

/New Dave
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: 10th Dan
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:50:26 GMT

In article <1dmf67INNqc8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> aaron@cse.ucsc.edu (Aaron Emigh) writes:
>[Re. 10th dans, well, it isn't karate, but there are at least two people
> here in the bay area alone with 10th dans recognized/awarded by Jujitsu
> America: Sig Kufferath (under whom I study) and Wally Jay.]

	I believe that Sensei Glenn Premru is a 10th Dan, in one of the
Okinawan Karate organizations (I forgot the exact name, something like
Okinawan Karete-Do Federation? or is that the wrong one?)


--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: knife techniques
Organization: just me
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 13:56:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Nov6.044300.9660@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>>In article scollins@wpi.WPI.EDU (Suppasak Collins) writes:
>>>If you've read THE FILIPINO MARTIAL ARTS by Dan Inosanto, he stated that it's
>>>almost impossible to counter a knife fighter unless you're armed with some sort
>>>of weapon yourself.
<chop chop>
>Fillipino fighters routinely train empty hand vs. edged weapons.
>Most of the rough and ready old timers have a story or two about
>surviving knife attacks unarmed.  This is certainly not the
>optimal scenario, but prevailing against suboptimal
>circumstances is the whole point of MA.  I wouldn't want to
>argue with Inosanto, who is truly an authority in this area, but
>I think "almost impossible" is overstating the case, and I
>wonder if that is what he actually said.  Can somebody fish out
>the relevant quotation from his book?

I don't know...I agree with Suppasak (if I got the attribution right...).
Kali, Arnis, Escrima, Bando, JiuJutsu all have some very frightening methods
for using knives, and they all train extensively with them, rather than just
run some seminars.  Most of these folks will know quite well what to do
against another knife or stick armed opponent, *as well as* an unarmed one.

Meanwhile, most of us are not fully aware of how these folks move and attack,
and do not train assiduously unarmed against blades.  Even if a style does,
it must train against a fast, deceptive, continuous motion style of attack
in order to be of help.  These guys are not going to come in with one big
overhand stab, or stick their hands out where you can kick them.  They are
going to methodically slice you, a bit at a time, again and again and again.
Very hard to deal with.

Obviously, the Filipino folks who survive this kind of attack a) trained in
a style which allowed them to deal with the attacker's style and b) were not
among the people who *lost* such an encounter.  Who knows what the proportion
is?

Knives are fast, concealable and versatile weapons.  I hate dealing with them,
even in practice.  And there are a lot of books which advise you to simply
surprise someone, rather than confronting them directly.  One good punch to
the chest with a small blade, and your enemy is history.  When was the last
time you blocked every single punch in an encounter?  :-(  Makes me nervous
just thinking about it...

	David Pipes
robear@digex.com
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Yu-sool, Judo, and Sambo
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:08:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.153921.21938@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>Historically, (mostly from Draeger and Smith), Yu-sool is apparently 
>a Korean art and sport of closing and grappling of 12th century origin,
>independent of Japanese Jujutsu, which was first codified independently 
>at about the same time.

	Hmmm...from Draeger's _Classical_Budo_ and _Classical_Bujutsu_, I was
under the impression that jujitsu, as a seperate, and highly developed art,
did not appear until at least the 16th/17th centuries, and later. It was
virtually unheard of for a samurai to be totally out of weapons, the few open
handed techniques revolved around jamming a yawara stick or a dagger into the
chinks in samurai armor. Pure "muto" techniques weren't practiced that much,
because it was extremely unlikely for a samurai to run out of weapons.

	Am I misinterpreting something?

	Stephen
--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk



> > It's not clear to me that all of those things are synonymous with "tough", but
> > I think that boxing and sumo should fit in there somewhere.
>
>Yup.  I agree.  Boxers take a hideous amount of punishment, although the
>_do_ get to wear gloves 8-).  Sumo is pretty much brute strength.  Takes
>big guys to do it...


No way is Sumo just brute stength! There is a high degree of skill in there
as well. Just because they are big guys does not necessarily mean they rely
purly on strength.


Anyway true "toughness" is a mental thing, not much to do with physical
strength.


Bill Burgar.