From: jewell@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: 'NamVet Newsletter, Vol.5, no.3 (1/6)
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:56:07 GMT


     Volume  5, Number  3                               March 14, 1991

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     .    -*-  N A M   V E T  -*-  ____/  \_                         .
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     .        Managing  Editor    \    Quangtri                      .
     .        ----------------     \_/\       \_ Hue                 .
     .         G. Joseph Peck          \_Ashau    Phu Bai            .
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     .      Editorial Assistants           \      *  )               .
     .      --------------------          _/     Danang              .
     .          Pete Farias       \|/    (            \_*Chu Lai     .
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     .        Section Editors               !           \/\____!     .
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     .  IN-TOUCH: Ray "Frenchy" Moreau     /  Dak To          !      .
     .  INCARCERATED VETS: Joyce Flory    /     *            /       .
     .  COAST GUARD: Jack Hawkins         !                  \_      .
     .  NEED-TO-KNOW:   Lefty Frizzell    !             Phu Cat\     .
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     . were scared and wary, but we pulled  _\      II Corps    !    .
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     . criticisms and misunderstandings   _/           Nhatrang /    .
     . many veterans have endured,      _/                     /     .
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     .      /                   !   G. Joseph Peck (413) 442-1660    .
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                     T A B L E   O F   C O N T E N T S

     
     1.  Editorials
          Without a miracle... ....................................  1

     2.  Remember Them!!!
          Reaching Out - Again! ...................................  5
          A visit or note once in awhile? .........................  9
          Not prepared to be forgotten ............................ 10

     3.  Ol' Glory n' Shiftin' Sands
          A Desert Storm Rages .................................... 15
          To Veterans Of All Wars: Thank You ...................... 16
          She Flies Ever High!!! .................................. 18
          My Symbol ............................................... 19
          Hands Across Time ....................................... 21
          Homecoming III .......................................... 22

     4.  Veteran Groups
          Vietnam Veterans Locator ................................ 23
          Berkshire Veterans Center - What is it? ................. 24
          Brotherhood of Vietnam Veterans - Membership Info  ...... 26
          Berkshire Veterans' Center Membership Form .............. 28

     5.  In-Touch
          Kudos For Ray "Frenchy" Moreau! ......................... 31
          In-Touch: What is it??? ................................. 34
          IN-TOUCH Registration/Request Form!!! ................... 37

     6.  The NamVet Chapel
          Laos - Rebuilding and Helping ........................... 39
          The Electronic Chapel ................................... 40

     7.  Of National Interest
          Soldiers' and Sailor's Relief Act ....................... 41
          They haven't forgotten US!!! ............................ 43

     8.  Hearts n' Minds
          Short History of PTSD ................................... 44
          Finally Here!!! ......................................... 53
          Vets Hospital Echo is now on-line! ...................... 54
          Break out the Clearasil <tm>! ........................... 56
          War Comes Home - Again! ................................. 57

     9.  Veteran info you want to know
          Ask the Veterans' Affairs Counselor ..................... 58
          Benefits for NY Veterans and their Families ............. 59
          Bring them home - NOW!!! ................................ 68
          Common Reenlistment Codes ............................... 69

     10.  U.S.S. Liberty
          Analysis of Attack on the Liberty  ...................... 71

     11.  Concentrated IVVEC/NamVet Service
          Congressman Adds Effort to Veterans Plight       ........ 77
          VA Director Assures Vet's Fair Treatment ................ 79
          American Legion and Job Help for Veterans ............... 80
          Research Help Requested - Site-85 ....................... 86

     12.  Look who's talking!
          BBS-Participants in VIETNAM_VETS EchoConference ......... 87
          Some Gave All... ........................................ 91











































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                             Without a miracle
                             by G. Joseph Peck
                         NamVet's Managing Editor
                        VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA
                              (413) 443-6313
     
     43 editions; over 3000 pages;  hours and hours of putting together 
     text-only graphics, hoping that somewhere, somehow we'd be able to 
     provide  the  information and outreach many of our veterans  need.  
     Hoping that each editorial would,  like AT&T,  reach out and touch 
     you  <grin>,  I put a lot of my heart and soul into ALL of NamVet.  
     I remember clearly the invitations from close friends and requests 
     from my kids to go fishing which I declined because "I gotta do my 
     editorial for NamVet" - "Have too many folk a waitin'  for NamVet.  
     Gotta get it out for 'em!"
       I remember, too, the super-great help of all our Section Editors
     and  THEIR many phone calls;  THEIR many hours of putting together 
     articles and information,  and THEIR efforts to continue the UNITY 
     in our veteran commUNITY.
     
     Saying "Good-bye" isn't easy, folks...  especially when its saying 
     good-bye  to something I love so dearly.   But,  unless a  miracle 
     happens,  this  MUST be the goodbye I've so long dreaded and hoped 
     would never come.
     
     Many of you out in NamVetLand "told" me that I was digging a grave 
     for myself as I continued in my efforts to provide a SERVICE that, 
     I  felt,  all  our  veterans NEED:  NamVet  and  our  VIETNAM_VETS 
     international echoconference.  "Forget it,  Joe.   Leave it behind 
     and do something more productive, more useful with your time."  Of 
     course,  I  ALWAYS responded:   "Not so!  I'm not digging a grave!  
     I'm  constructing one of the finest foundations for 24-hour-a-day, 
     nation- even world-wide  veteran  service that you  can  imagine!"  
     Second Mortgage on my house/home; hundreds of dollars of telephone 
     bills  annually,  and utility bills now into the thousands  didn't 
     phase me.  I kept doggedly persisting, KNOWING that what I've been 
     doing IS important to at least one of you.
     
     26  years ago today,  13 Mar 65,  continuing in MY proud  military 
     service,  I  was  thrown from an Army jeep (ya  know:  the  M151).  
     Everything  then seemed to come crashing down.   My abilities  and 
     capabilities  all  seemed  to  disappear.   A  few  months  later, 
     wrongfully  diagnosed,  I was Honorably discharged from  something 
     else  I loved dearly:  the US Military.   I never stopped serving, 
     though - nor trying to rebuild what was lost in the accident.   18 
     and a half years later,  after thorough VA testing and evaluation, 
     the original diagnosis -  made after nearly a month lapsing in and 
     out  of  coma -  of "Unsuitable - due to  conditions  pre-existing 
     original   enlistment"   was   finally  corrected  to   state   "a 
     misdiagnosed  post-traumatic confusional state and a mild form  of 
     temporal  lobe epilepsy."  -  and the VA graciously allowed me  to 
     participate  in a program of Vocational  Rehabilitation.   (Little 
     did  I realize that,  after the education was completed,  I  would 
     fall through other cracks in the system:  "You're overqualified!"; 
     "Sorry,   Joe,   but  Gramm-Rudman-Hollings  has  eliminated  your 
     
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     position here at the Veterans Administration"; "Sorry,  Mr.  Peck. 
     The  U.S.  Post  Office can't hire you.   The VA says  you're  too 
     disabled  to be a Postal Carrier.";  "What have you been doing the 
     last few years, Mr. Peck?   Aren't you a little old to be going to 
     school?")
     
     With  the  reports of diagnosis/evaluation in-hand,  I  sought  an 
     attorney  who  would properly represent me before the ABCMR  (Army 
     Board  of Correction of Military Records).   He requested a  $1500 
     retainer fee.  I begged and borrowed (privately -  NOT in the echo 
     or through any veteran organization),  took out a Student Loan and 
     paid the attorney $750 of his requested retainer -  the balance to 
     be  paid when I actually saw some positive results of his efforts.  
     In over five years (diagnosis was corrected in 1983,  attorney was 
     hired in 1984), the attorney filed not even ONE affidavit in/on my 
     behalf, gave me not even ONE positive indication that he was DOING 
     anything in/on my behalf and, in 1990,  I took his lack of actions 
     before  the Bar Association of the state in which he was initially 
     licensed  to practice law.   The Board found that the attorney had 
     done  nothing  wrong  in  doing nothing for five  years  -  or  in 
     requesting  a  retainer for a case which,  at the time,  a fee  in 
     excess  of $10 was not permitted <guess the Law has to protect its 
     own>).
     
     In  1989,  the bank who held the second mortgage on our house/home 
     (the  one  I  took out to help purchase our initial  software  and 
     equipment)  was  going  to  foreclose and take possession  of  our 
     premises.   One  of  the  alternatives I was  presented  with  was 
     declaring  "Wage Earner's Bankruptcy"  which would allow my family 
     and  I to keep our house/home and pay each creditor over a  longer 
     period of time.   I continued my search for employment,  hoping to 
     have  at least a WAGE in addition to my VA Disability Compensation 
     that I could make payments with.
     
     I'm  a firm believer in OPTIONS and ALTERNATIVES:   If one doesn't 
     work, try another and then another until, finally, something DOES. 
     
     In  1983 I began my efforts to have a Vet Center established  here 
     in  Pittsfield,  MA.   In  1984,  after  organizational  and  town 
     meetings,  Berkshire  Veterans'  Center,  Inc.  was formed  -  and 
     officially  registered  with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts  in 
     January, 1985.   In May of 1985,  Pittsfield opened its Vet Center 
     and  Berkshire  Veterans'  Center  took on a  grassroots  type  of 
     veteran service which continues even today.  In 1987,  after local 
     and  CompuServe  <tm>  efforts  as  "VETLink  -  the  POINT  MAN", 
     VETLink #1  went  on-line  as  a  computer-based  veteran  center.  
     Finally,  in  1990,  Berkshire  Veterans'  Center,  Inc.  and  its 
     outreach  effort  of  VETLink #1 were  granted  Federal  NonProfit 
     Status.   VETLink #1 has been joined by VETLink #2 in Herndon,  VA 
     and VETLink #3 in Cape Girardeau, MO.
     
     Although, as President of Berkshire Veterans'  Center and sysop of  
     VETLink  #1, I received a few donations in equipment, software and
     monies for operating expenses, a salary (or even partial repayment 
     for  any of what I've done to get it off-the-ground)  just  wasn't 
     feasible  if  we  were  to  continue  providing  the  service  and 
     camaraderie that had begun.   I have approached many local persons 
     -  both  in  the private and public sectors  -  regarding  funding 
     VETLink #1 and the service it provides.  There have also been both 
     
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     Federal and State requests for help - but all resulted in negative 
     responses.   VETLink #1 has continued for the last two months only 
     thanks  to  some of YOU who have helped with your  donations.   In 
     fact, the last two months were the FIRST two months that Berkshire 
     Veterans Center, Inc. was able to pay its OWN telephone bill!  
     
     Throughout the latter part of 1990, after successfully passing the 
     US Postal Exam for a custodian's position, I appeared for a couple 
     of  interviews.   One  I  was turned down for;  the second  was  a 
     positive  and  I had to go again to the Medical Department of  the 
     Post Office for a physical.  The doctor requested information from 
     the  Veterans  Administration concerning any of  my  disabilities.  
     The VA didn't hurriedly respond and,  just last Friday (3/8/91)  I 
     got some good news and some bad news.   The GOOD news:   I learned 
     that the USPO doctor had determined that I COULD work for the Post 
     Office  if  I wore my neck brace and reported at 30-day  intervals 
     for checkups at his office.  The BAD news:  the position for which 
     I'd applied had been filled and there are no more openings.
       I've also been  interviewed by the  Veterans  Administration  in
     Albany,  NY  for a supply clerk's position.   Wouldya believe THEY 
     tried to talk me OUT of the position?  (Statements such as:  "With 
     a Bachelor's degree in Sociology and quite an extensive background 
     in electronics,  don't you think you're a little overqualified for 
     this position?"  -  and -  "What guarantees do we have that you're 
     going to STAY in this position?"  -  and -  "Why is it that you're 
     coming all the way over from Pittsfield (MA)  to work?   Don't you 
     think you'll have problems in winter weather?"  It seems it didn't 
     matter  to them when I told them I HAD to have a job,  HAD to feed 
     my family,  HAD to save our house/home.   I got a letter two weeks 
     later  telling  me  that  I was not the person  selected  for  the 
     position.   I  received another from them about three weeks  later 
     asking me if I was available for a Clerk Typists position to which 
     I promptly responded.  Haven't heard a WORD from 'em -  although I 
     responded by their deadline date.)
     
     On 2 Jan 1991, I brought most -  if not all -  of the above to the 
     attention  of the Veterans Administration at a personal hearing in 
     Boston,  MA  where  I  repeated and emphasized my VA  claims  with 
     supporting  documentation and statements.   (There are a few years 
     of service-connected entitlements they've conveniently "forgotten" 
     to compensate me for - in addition to some other items.)  To date, 
     I  have  still  heard  nothing concerning my  efforts  -  and  the 
     "private sector" employers still seem a tad reluctant to hire.
     
     And now, 26 years after volunteering for a mission and then having 
     my whole life turned upside down and inside out,  it kind of looks 
     like  another door is closing for me.   We've received many  final 
     notices from our utility company's;  HUD and the bank are standing 
     in line to take our house and home; the registration on my car has 
     been  revoked 'cause I haven't been able to pay for the  insurance 
     (required  here in Massachusetts),  and if a job EVER happens with 
     the Post Office, its going to come WAY TOO LATE to help anything.
       Very selfishly,  perhaps, I've  tried  to use  my  OWN  personal
     experiences   with  federal  and  state  agencies,   with  various 
     employers  and  veteran counseling services as a means of  helping 
     each of you out here in NamVetLand.   Most of what has happened in 
     MY  life  over the past few years is somewhat documented  here  in 
     NamVet  and in the VIETNAM_VETS echoconference.   I can look  back 
     through all the echo-messages,  through all the editorials and all 
     
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     the  NamVets  and,  perhaps,  find another way I COULD  have  done 
     things - but,  if I had the chance,  I don't think I'd do anything 
     other than what I've already done.  I have tried my best, have not 
     focussed  my energies in only ONE direction,  kept on keeping on - 
     in the BEST and the WORST of all circumstances.
     
     First,  foremost,  and last -  I sincerely give thanks to my wife, 
     Georgia,  and our children for their patience as I've continued on 
     with  NamVet  and all that I've tried to do with VIETNAM_VETS  and 
     our  VetNet  echoes.   A son in the military;  another  son  who'd 
     entered  prematurely  and is now a civilian again;  a  brother,  a 
     niece and a nephew in Saudi Arabia;  another niece now joining the 
     military; a brother-in-law in school at Moffet Field NAS;  and all 
     of  you  out here have kept me going,  kept me reaching;  kept  me 
     searching  for  new  avenues of outreach,  new ways to  show  that 
     "America  DOES care!"   All of NamVet's Section Editors,  too  are 
     sincerely to be thanked for the work THEY'VE done!
       To all of you who continuously reminded me that I was digging  a
     grave  for myself with all of my efforts,  I STILL say:   "Not so! 
     I'm  not  digging  a grave!   I'm constructing one of  the  finest 
     foundations  for 24-hour-a-day,  nation-  even world-wide  veteran 
     service that you can imagine!"   
     
     To  those  others who might feel that this editorial might  be  an 
     appeal for funding:  It is NOT (although help would NOT be refused 
     <grin> - just hard to accept <double, well-trained and conditioned 
     smile>).   I  have  ALWAYS held high the IMAGE of my  brother  and 
     sister  Vietnam  Veterans  and  would  not  knowingly  jeopardize, 
     corrupt, nor taint it in even the remotest instance.  I might have 
     made  some  wrong  moves  (my wife would be  the  first  to  agree 
     <grin>), and I could have done things differently -  but I've also 
     SHARED  what's happened so that we may ALL learn from it.   THAT's 
     what NamVet and VIETNAM_VETS is all about:  SHARING and MAKING THE 
     NEXT PERSON's JOURNEY A LITTLE EASIER!
     
     If  I'm not back next month and there's no NamVet,  you'll know  I 
     just didn't make it folks.  Sorry - but I HAVE tried my best!
     
     The "footprints" I've left here should be easy to follow...
         They're  footprints of a Vietnam Vet:   One of the proudest,
     toughest, most persistent and determined veterans in all of
     American history!
          I'm proud I am one -  I've worked hard to pay my dues!
     
                              'til next time
        Show a brother/sister veteran  ...  That YOU care!!!
     
                              Ci'ao for Ni'ao
     
                                 -  Joe  -
                     Managing Editor: NamVet 1988-1991
               Moderator/EchoMail Coordinator: VIETNAM_VETS
                President: Berkshire Veterans' Center, Inc.
                 P O Box 2056        Pittsfield, MA  01202
     




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                             Remember Them!!!
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                           Reaching Out - Again!
                              By Joyce Flory
               NamVet's Incarcerated Veterans Section Editor
                    Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM
                              (505) 523-2811
     
     Hi to you all;
     
       I'm sorry there was no up-date on the incarcerated Nam Vets in 
     the February issue, but to be honest, there was nothing to up-
     date.
       Since then, thanks to Mike Harris, I have been able to contact a 
     few more prisons and have had super success in getting replies. 
     The following names and addresses are new:
     
                           William McCall #8031
                                 ICH - 404
                          Karl N. Robison #852525
                                 CCH - 343
                          James L. Davis #892971
                                E-Dorm W-5
                          Lowell K. Idle #893265
                                 DCH - 424
                           Larry Lisenby #853325
                                 CCH - 149
                          Steve Swafford #874932
                                 CCH - 148
                         J. Michael Ensley #28828
                                F-Dorm W-84
                            Joe DeRado #902975
                                E-Dorm E-42
                           Richard Martin #9634
                                 CCH - 164
                            Pat McGuire #892476
                                 DCH - 153
                          Danny W. Hamby #892631
                                E-Dorm W-93
                           Scotty Hammack #10422
                                 ACH - 148
                           Richard Kirby #31358
                                 DCH - 262
                           Dinzel Miller #23977
                                 CCH - 370
                                 PO Box 41
                           Indiana State Prison
                         Michigan City, In. 46360
     
                           Terry Snyder #193889
                           Alex Beaudine #145559
                            Bill Hammes #204434
                          Adrian Temp. Corr. Fac.
                                PO Box 1900
                             Adrian, Mi 49221
     
                       Myer Pettyjohn #90722 Unit 9 
     
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                         Bobby Tate #123531 Unit 5
                         John Cobb #126878 Unit 12
                       Stanton Easley #86354 Unit 2
                      Charles Sprinkle #109200 Unit 4
                          Grant Henderson Unit 4
                          Johnny Ottinger Unit 14
                       Kenneth Teaque #112717 Unit 4
                             John Slate Unit 8
                            James Eades Unit 4
                       William Harris #77891 Unit 8
                                PO Box 2000
                           Wartburg, Tenn. 37887
     
                         Robert Dennstaedt #147258
                         G. Robert Cotter Facility
                                PO Box 3003
                            Jackson, Mi. 49204
     
                           Robert White #182002
                            Chaplin, PMI/OP #39
                          Andy Cascarelli #201886
                           Eddie Stenton #198136
                           Antonio Lyte #165094
                             Earl Lord #196758
                           Tim Grassmyer #206270
                            Rick Isbell #207512
                             David Fox #200406
                            Charles Ray #205764
                       8201 N. Crosswell Rd. S.T.F.
                           St. Louis, Mi. 48880
     
       The following are new names to an already exsisting list from 
     New York:
                     Thomas Delmonte 86-C-1021  A-1-20
                     Robert T. Smith 81-A-2188  A-5-10
                    Thomas H. Harlowe 83-C-0834  E-9-16
                     Donald W. Knapp 88-C-0072  A-3-8
                   Ed Beaufort Cutner 89-C-1606  C-13-6
                        Gary Emry 89-C-1315  A-7-24
                     Ervun L. Armlin 84-C-0782  D-6-6
                    Ferdinand Quiles 83-A-5609  A-4-38
                    Elwood H. Fields 88-A-4043  D-8-13
                     Micheal Mantice 90-A-7640  B-7-18
                         135 State St. PO Box 618
                        Auburn, New York 13024-9000
      
      I am also in contact with Larry DuBois 940561  Out Post Leader, 
     Point Man Ministries International President, VVA #186 PO Box 1000 
     C2f3  Steilacoom, Wash 98388. He is the first to request my 
     sending a disc and postage to send it back. I'm waiting on his 
     reply.
       As always, I urge you to put that pen to paper and write just 
     one of the many incarcerated veterans that I have listed. These 
     guys (sorry no gals,YET) aren't out to "fleece" you, con you, or 
     try to take advantage of you. All they want is some contact with 
     the outside world and maybe a new friend.
       I, personally, write steadily, to 18 guys in 14 different states 
     and never once have I been asked for ANYTHING other than to pass 
     on this newsletter (I could get it they couldn't). I've been sent 
     
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     a book of stamps (to cover MY postage), got a pin and patch sent 
     to Gjoe, had offers of stationary, and a bunch of big " thank you 
     for taking the time to write me" 's, not to mention a bunch of 
     laughs and giggles that accompany most of the letters.
       Give it just ONE shot. It really is painless.
     
       From Vietnam Veterans of America Chapter # 205 Monthly Flyer for 
     February 1991, sent to me by Alexander Michael Marathon:
       "FROM 1st. V.P. J.H. McAULEY, (MITCH): Our Letter Writing 
     Campaign to the guys in "THE GULF " letting them know that "WE", 
     the membership of "205" are behind them "200%" is going well.
        FROM OUR EXTERNAL AFFAIRS OFFICER, A. M. MARATHON: Our Outgoing 
     Flyer Circulation List has grown to 25. Another list of names of 
     potential candidates for a Pen- Pal Venture with THOSE WHO CARE in 
     Las Cruces, N.M. has been sent out recently.
        FROM OUR POW/MIA DIRECTOR, D. ZORMAN: Those interested in 
     expressing their feelings at the way that our soldiers are being 
     treated as POW's by Iraqis can direct comments or suggestions to 
     the Iraqi Delegation c/o The United Nations, 405 E. 42nd St., New 
     York, N.Y. "
     
       Again,if there is any avenue I've missed in order to contact 
     incarcerated Vietnam veterans, please contact me on the Echo, 
     Netmail me at 305/105, or snail-mail me at 1825 Evelyn  Las 
     Cruces, NM 88001.  
     
                                Later,Joyce
     
         ________________________________________________________
     
      This article literally fell into my lap one day. Though it was 
     written in early 1989 (I think), it's still timely.
     
     "V.V.A. CHAPTER #161
      Mr. David E. Piper,
      N. I. V. N. Reg. Dir.
      P. O. Box #14
      Concord, N.H. 03302-0014
     
      James River Veterans Group
      c/o James R. Rashid, Pres.
      James River Corr. Inst.,
      State Farm, Va., 23160
     
     'VETERANS CAN HELP'
       
      The purpose of Vietnam Veterans banding together, both inside and 
     outside of prison, is for mutual support, self-help, and working 
     towards our goals. We, the Incarcerated Veterans, are seriously in 
     need of the programs and counselling of the Vet Centers. We are 
     the segment of Vietnam-Era veterans nationwide who have had the 
     hardest problems and, therefore, need assistance.
       It is being held back from us because of the Vet Center and 
     Veterans Administration policy.
       The Vietnam Veterans of America are finally getting the respect 
     and recognition that this country has owed them. Yet there remain 
     the incarcerated veterans, the majority of whom have Honorable 
     Discharges. Many of those with "Bad Papers" are eligible for 
     upgrades, because of policy changes, yet these men can't get help 
     
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     because the bureaucracy has washed its hands of them. Many Combat 
     Vets couldn't find jobs, but saw the draft-card burners and those 
     who sneaked off to Canada get amnesty!! Incarcerated Vets are a 
     serious problem.
       They have skills and need your support. VVA is helping them to 
     readjust and gain self-respect in order to become productive 
     citizens again. Support your VVA Incarcerated Chapters. We worked 
     together then; let's pull together again !!
     
                       C. McLaren, The Eagle Speaks,
                             Vol. II, No. 2"
     















































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                      Not Prepared To Be Forgotten
                            By Joyce Flory
                NamVet's Incarcerated Veteran Section Editor
                   Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM
                             (505) 523-2811
     
     Thought you'd like the most recent listings of the addresses.
     
                          Whitmarsh Bailey #56715           
                          Chris S.Crespin  #45523
                          Dennis E.Prentis #43497
                          Jerry Baack      #57098           
                                 PO Box R
                          Buena Vista,Colo 81211
     
       Thomas Adams (don't write unless single female,I'm told,Grin)
                              Dwight L.Lyons
                              Donald E. Head                    
                          EG 172282 RCI Box 8409
                          Columbus,Ga 31907- 8409
     
               George Herbert (not a Namvet,but good people)
                            Ron Gohn T2-rm 273
            Lance Koren now at PO Box 1069 Concord, Mass. 01472
                                Arthur Coy
                               Richard Ortiz                    
                               Tyrone Smith                     
                              Kevin M Pennell
                              Robert Thompson
           Leslie Gomes now at PO Box 565 Billerica, Mass. 01821
                              Frank Komnenus
                                PO Box 466
                             Gardner,Ma 01440
     
     Billy Borkman #125740 (O-221) (not seeking pen-pal,but willanswer)
                       Van Burton    #108483 (A-120)
                       M Davenport   #155165 (N-321)
                       M Donati      #150219 (D-71)
                       Joe Grace     #136189 (B-108)
        M Glennon     #140901 (O-101) (non-vet that likes to write)
                       J Heidinger   #102513 (O-421)
                      Charles Ladison #138228 (O-330)
                        G Magno     #112810 (N-418)
                     William Merriman  #131789 (A-66)
                        L Rainsford #126380 (B-108)
                        Abdul Shah  #101250 (O-417)
                     Gerald Stovall Jr. #98899 (O-328)
                        R Sutton    #141041 (O-317)
                                PO Box 488
                           Burkeville,Va. 23922
     
                        Jamal R Rashid  #110781 D-2
                        Joseph Huggins  #99433  D-6
                        Preston Parker  #118311 D-5
                        William Moran   #131271 D-2
                        Le'roi Mason    #104969 D-5
                        David Bailey    #153526 D-2
                       Oliver Mayfield #106330 HA-2
                        John Harris     #133342 HA
     
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                        Robert Hall     #148001 HA
                        James Moody     #160399 D-4
                        William Simmons #106399 D-4
                        Charlie Sherman #128403 D-6
                        Carlton Heflin  #170297 D-5
                        Matthew Sanders #166545 D-4
                        Micheal Kay     #136567 D-5
                        David Swink     #157682 D-6
                        Gordon Cawthron #135734 D-6
                        Curtis Wright   #125330 HA
                        Roger Baxter    #157594 D-2
                        Thomas Hawley   #139294 D-1
                       Luther C Beasley #110375 D-2
                          James River Corr. Ctr.
                           State Farm,Va. 23160
     
                        George W. Burd       AJ2110
                        Vernon E. Miller Sr. AJ1004
                        Darryl Houseman      AJ1063
                           Drawer A Old Route 22
                         Cresson,Penn. 16630-0010
     
                         David M. McCook (DA-118)
                                 EF 183542
                          Jack T. Ruthledge C.I.
                                PO Box 8409
                            Columbus,Ga. 31907
     
                        Willi Henderson-Bey 128457
                        Richard Sheff       180946
                        Tony Slusarski      131661
                        Ronald Kramer       181007
                        Ronald Triplett     132615
                        Teddy Stephens      182636
                        Danny McKay         147064
                        Edwin Zimmerman     184779
                        Boyd Blair          156418
                        William Letzgus     187075
                        Herschel Davis      163765
                        David Oates         190210
                        Thomas Siemoneit    179536
                        David Prieto        193367
                        Leonard Pikaart     179858
                        Wendell Neview      196387
                        David Martin        180065
                        Teddy McCray        200255
                        James Wilson        180186
                        Tim Shagen          203886
                          2400 South Sheridan Rd.
                            Muskegon,MI. 49442
     
                           A. David Baez #57020
                                  Box 100
                            Somers,Conn. 06071
     
                            Harold Mize 863934
                            Cory Naples 901359
                       Westville Correctional Center
                                P.O.Box 473
     
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                         Westville,Ind. 46391-0473
     
                              Jeff Weil 28242
                           Cecil Williams 23818
                             James McGee 31489
                            Earl Grissom 27536
                              Roy Fudge 29966
                            Eddie Sanchez 26895
                           George McIntyre 25124
                            Eddie Romero 22115
                            Eugene Perry 29647
                           Brook De Nault 29594
                            Harold Weaver 17624
                             Harry Lilly 29894
                          Claude Theriault 11872
                            Dan Richmond 15601
                            Ken Jezierski 30790
                            James Raines 31445
                             John Doane 14686
                            Robert Turner 30473
                            James Bishop 31347
                             Brain Hern 14535
                            Nevada State Prison
                                PO Box 607
                         Carson City,Nevada 89702
     
                             Sam Howard 18329
                            Pete Huertas 15239
                            Jake Reynolds 21763
                          Paul Stadtlander 23389
                             Ely State Prison
                                PO Box 1989
                             Ely,Nevada 89301
     
                          Johnny Chadwick 110520
                             Holman Unit 5-U-5
                                 Holman 37
                          Atmore,Ala. 36503-0037
     
                Alexander Micheal Marathon 79-D-0127 B-2-7
               Ron Chamberlain            81-C-0459 C-17-41
                Giacomo A. Frascone        89-A-3512 A-6-22
                William L. Hargrove        83-A4292  D-8-18
               Andrews S. Tenny           81-B-2137 E-10-19
                Thomas Delmonte            86-C-1021 A-1-20
                Robert T. Smith            81-A-2188 A-5-10
                Thomas H. Marlowe          83-C-0834 E-9-16
                Donald W. Knapp            88-C-0072 A-3-8
                Ed Beaufort Cutner         89-C-1606 C-13-6
                Gary Emry                  89-C-1315 A-7-24
                Ervun L. Armlin            86-C-0782 D-6-6
                Ferdinand Quiles           83-A-5609 A-4-38
                Elwood H. Fields           88-A-4043 D-8-13
                Micheal Mantice            90-A-7640 B-7-18
                       PO Box 618-135  135 State St.
                        Auburn,New York 13024-9000 
     
                          William R. McCall 8031
                                 ICH - 404
     
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                          Karl N. Robinson 852525
                                 CCH - 343
                           James L. Davis 892971
                                E-Dorm W-5
                           Lowell K. Idle 893265
                                 DCH - 424
                           Larry Lisenby 853325
                                 CCH - 149
                           Steve Swafford 874932
                                 CCH - 148
                          J. Michael Ensley 28828
                                F-Dorm W-84
                             Joe DeRado 902975
                                E-Dorm E-42
                            Richard Martin 9634
                                 CCH - 164
                            Pat McGuire 892476
                                 DCH - 153
                           Danny W. Hamby 892631
                                E-Dorm W-93
                           Scotty Hammack 10422
                                  ACH-148
                            Richard Kirby 31358
                                  DCH-262
                            Dinzel Miller 23977
                                  CCH-370
                                 PO Box 41
                           Indiana State Prison
                          Michigan City,In 46360
     
                               Larry DuBois
                             PO Box 1000 C2F3
                          Steilacoom,Wash. 98388
     
                           Terry Snyder #193889
                           Alex Beaudine #145559
                            Bill Hammes #204434
                                PO Box 1900
                              Adrian,Mi 49221
     
                       Myer Pettyjohn #90722 Unit 9
                         Bobby Tate #123531 Unit 5
                         John Cobb #126878 Unit 12
                       Stanton Easley #86354 Unit 2
                      Charles Sprinkle #109200 Unit 4
                          Grant Henderson Unit 4
                          Johnny Ottinger Unit 14
                       Kenneth Teague #112717 Unit 4 
                             John Slate Unit 8
                            James Eades Unit 4
                       William Harris #77891 Unit 8
                                PO Box 2000
                           Wartburg,Tenn. 37887
     
                         Robert Dennstaedt 147258
                           G. Robert Cotton Fac.
                                PO Box 3003
                             Jackson, Mi 49204
     
     
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                           Robert White #182002
                          Andy Cascarelli #201886