From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: REPOST: 3rd CFV fj.life.in-japan [English+Japanese]
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:50:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

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Hi, ...

*** short summary in English ***

   Mr. Shiino has argued that he is against the vote if that
vote is not intended for final choice between fj.life between
fj.living.  Mr. Kojima has replied that purpose of the vote on
fj.life.in-japan is to determine if a grope for "foreigner's
life in Japan" topic by itself is appropriate or not, and thus
it cannot convey Mr. Shiino's intended goal.  My opinion on
this isuue is stated in revised version of a section from
"What is fj.life.in-japan", included below.

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: * fj.life$B$H(Jfj.living$B$NLdBj$K$D$$$F(J
:   Problem of fj.life vs fj.living
:   - fj.living$B$,$"$k$K$b4X$o$i$:$3$N%0%k!<%W$,(Jfj.living.in-japan
:     $B$G$J$$$N$O!"%"%s%1!<%H$G(Jfj.life.in-japan$B$,>!$C$?$+$i$G$"$k!#(J
:     Though the group named fj.living already exists, we have
:     chosen fj.life.in-japan as the name because many people
:     supported it on previous inquirlies.
:   - $B$7$+$7!"$3$N%0%k!<%W?d?JGI$NCf$K$O(Jlife$B$G$b(Jliving$B$G$b$$$$$H9M(J
:     $B$($F$$$k?M$b$$$k!#(J
:     However, some of us (supporter of this group) consider that
:     choise of life/living is not important.
:   - $B$@$+$i!"$3$N%0%k!<%W$,$G$-$?$H$7$F$b$=$l$O(Jlife$BGI$,>!$C$?!"$H(J
:     $B$OD>$A$K$O8@$($J$$!#(J
:     So, even if this group were successfully created, that does
:     not mean that life has won.
:   - life/living$BO@5D$K@h$K7hCe$r$D$1$k$Y$-$@!"$H$$$&0U8+$b$"$C$?(J
:     $B$,!"$=$l$G$O$^$9$^$9:n@.$,CY$l$k$N$G$G$-$l$P4*J[$7$FM_$7$$!#(J
:     Some people argue that we should now determine either life
:     or living prior to the vote for fj.life.in-japan, it is
:     undesirable to delay the vote further.
:   - $B$3$N%0%k!<%W$r40A4$K(Jlife/living$BO@5D$+$i@Z$jN%$9$N$OL5M}$@$H(J
:     $B$7$F$b!"$H$j$"$($:(Jfj.life.in-japan$B$,$G$-$?8e$G$5$i$KN><T$N(J
:     $BE}9g$K$D$$$F5DO@$9$k$H$$$&$3$H$G$O$I$&$G$7$g$&!#(J
:     So, even if it is impossible to separate this group from
:     life/living issue, how about creating it for the moment
:     and hope to proceed to the discussion of unifying life
:     and living promptly?

							       $B5WLn(J
						       Yasushi Kuno