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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: RE: Miccosuke Indian Village
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:49:36 GMT
Organization: NIST

In article <GORDON.92Aug31135545@lugh.think.com>, gordon@lugh.think.com (gordon linoff) writes:
>
>Does anyone know what happened to the Miccosuke Indian
>Village out on Tamiami Trail (my brother-in-law is
>Miccosuke, although he doesn't live on the reservation)?
>Has the Trail been re-opened?
>
>--gordon

Much of the Miccosuke reservation on the Tamiami Trail was destroyed.
The trail has reopened and the Seminoles of Hollywood have arranged
for relief in the area.  They seem to be doing well, and there were
no deaths.  This information is from a Miami Herald article in the
September 1 issue.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: lavoie@rossini.cs.unc.edu (Matt J. Lavoie)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Preventing hurricanes
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:26:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Not being of a legal background whatsoever...

I watched a report that *briefly* described the US government's effort to
dismantle hurricanes by seeding the wall of the eye.  A very interesting 
point was noted:

If the government intervened and attempted to destroy a hurricane and the
result was to strengthen or redirect it, they would be open to law suits.
Given the volitille nature of hurricanes, it would no doubt be impossible
to prove that the hurricane didn't change directions or gear up naturally, 
but that would not stop many from suing the government.

Personally, I think the chance that a hurricane might be avoided 
far outweighs the costs of litigation.

- Matt Lavoie
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: brantley@infonode.ingr.com (Dwight D. Brantley)
Subject: Violence in the news
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:13:44 GMT

In article <Btwsz1.67K@encore.com> jpenovic@encore.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.014556.3783@udel.edu>, hartman@dewey.udel.edu
>(Nancy Hartman) writes:
>> 
>> The North County Humane Society is going to be going down soon to rescue
>> and care for as many animals as possible.  This is an extremely dangerous
>> task, two humane society workers have already been shot in the all the 
>> violence down there.
>
>  I don't know where you got this information, but I live in
>  South Florida and I've been reading the local papers every day since 
>  the storm and all the local tv stations are broadcasting only 
>  hurricane info, and there has been no mention of humane society 
>  workers being shot.  There is also almost no violence going on down
>  here.  In fact, it is amazing how much cooperation and help
>  is being supplied by those who weren't as seriously
>  affected by the storm.  I just read your comment to several of the 
>  people I work with, and no one had heard anything about it or "the
>  violence down there."
>
>  Please don't take this as a flame, but be careful what you write.  
>  It's tough enough down here right now without rumors being spread.
>
You can blame this on the photographs that have been shown on CNN all this
week.  I have seen groups of people mobbing a man trying to transport supplies
by his pick up, store owners standing by their possesions holding shotguns in
their hands talking about how looters are taking everything they have, and
the list goes on.  It appears however, that the element responsible for this
behavior, would ordinarily be out doing something similar anyway!  It does
appear that that home and property owners are sticking together.  Desperate
times call for desperate actions and I think that the vast majority of people
down there are carrying on very admirably considering the circumstances.
I lived in Palm Bay, FL for nearly 5 years and I can say that if it had 
happened to us that I would have felt very comfortable with the company
of my neighbors there.

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      *   Dwight Brantley    *   Failure Analysis & Reliability Dept.  *
      *  Intergraph, Corp.   *  Reply To: brantley@falab1.b21.ingr.com *
      *   Huntsville, AL     *           Voice: 205-730-4456           *
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From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Violence in FL??? (Re: Pets need help in FL!!!)
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:24:52 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep2.094042.1@slc.slac.stanford.edu> gregs@slc.slac.stanford.edu writes:

>for San Francisco.  There I got to survey all the damage of the city
>either first or second hand, and all I got were calls from friends back
>east who saw Dan Rather on TV and got the impression from him that

It is very easy to fill in an image such that all the pictures show damage.
We maust remember that on a 20" screen only an insignificant part of the
story can be shown.  I am sure that Homestead area is all broken down, but
the news people fill their media with all the bad they can find or fabric,
they show it condensed together so it looks big.  Then they leave and expect
overnight recovery since they do not have anymore to report.  We are informed
in such a way, and the media believes that that is the way the things really
are.  It's up to us to read between lines, or see through the colorsof the TV
in order to get the REAL PICTURE.

Sasha Bucur
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: krobinso@encore.com (Kristine Robinson)
Subject: Re: How to send donations to Florida
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:53:16 GMT


in Article 57 of alt.hurricane.andrew afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)writes:
> I was wondering if someone could post the address of the Red Cross in South 
> Fla. and if that is where donations to the Relief Fund should be sent.

I'm not sure what the address of the Red Cross is.  In article 40 in
alt.hurricane.andrew, dfuller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Desi Fuller) tells us the
Red Cross is accepting only "large quantity donations of specific
items from the corporate and business community."  See also article 37.
It has *lots* of information about contacting organizations.  

The number to donate money to the Red Cross is 1-800-842-2200.  They take
credit cards.

> Is there a better place? If so post that.  I would also be interested in 
> other organizations that are in need.

I posted some numbers earlier today - the _Sun_Sentinal_ Hurricane
Questionline numbers are 1-305-356-4890 and 1-407-243-6565.  The media
is being *very supportive* of the relief efforts (ie:  putting
volunteers/donators in contact with agencies, setting up drop-off centers
for donations, etc.).

I know a lot of organizations have set up distribution centers near the
Miami International Airport.  The Jaycees are at 2005 NW 70th Ave., Miami.
I know the Ohio Jaycees sent one of the earliest donations.  Also,
try local (to you) religious organizations.  I read yesterday that CWS
(Church World Service?) is here helping (multi-denominational, I believe),
as well as just about every Christian denomination I've ever heard of.
There is a very stong Jewish presence in the relief effort.  Call around -
you're bound to find a "drop off" point near you.


> Thanks
> 
> Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland

Thanks for your help!

-Kristine

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Kristine Robinson					305-587-2900 x2380
Encore Computer Corporation				krobinso@encore.com
Fort Lauderdale, Florida
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: armann@athena.mit.edu (Armann Ingolfsson)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew Ravages South Florida
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:39:12 GMT

In article <jstewart.715354725@cunews>, jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes:
|> In <Btw6Fn.8uM@pronto.mh.nl> sgl@mh.nl (Annet Siegel) writes:
|> >In article <5997@transfer.stratus.com> dennist@sw.stratus.com (Dennis Tetreault) writes:
|> 
|> >> Well, The USA is beginning to respond to the mess Andrew left behind,
|> >> as we do when any nation suffers a natural disaster. My question is:
|> >> Have any other nations offered aid to the US so far?
|> 
|> >Why should they ?
|> 
|> That's a rather strange comment to make ... [rest deleted]

If you read this again, you'll notice that it is a question, not a comment.

Armann
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 17:21:25 EDT
From: <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: a store

There is a store called 'My Pharmacy' on Dixie highway, in Coral Gables, that I
am wondering about.  Also, they are located in many other locations throughout
the area, aka Alan Drug.....Anybody---how did they fare in the hurricane?
Xref: sparky alt.hurricane.andrew:21 rec.pets:2940 rec.pets.cats:10494 rec.pets.herp:3194 rec.pets.dogs:10393
From: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Katie Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:19:49 GMT
Followup-To: alt.hurricane.andrew
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Btwv62.E3D@news.udel.edu> heckert@brahms.udel.edu (Keith Heckert) writes:
>Well, to clear this up...I just called down there! 2:00pm 9/1/92.
>The Zip 33477 is for the address above (Suite 211), but the address
>for donations IS A DIFFERENT address, which was listed correctly
>yesterday.   It is:
>
>North County Humane Society
>PO Box 1843  <<<<<<<
>Jupiter, FL 33468-1843  <<<<<<<< correct!!!!
>

For people who want to send pet supplies for hurricane relief,
I'd like to suggest J-B Wholesale Pet Supplies as one alternative.
I called there yesterday to send some stuff to Ferret Friends of
Indian River County, and explained that it was for hurricane
relief.  Not only did they reduce the normal shipping charges, they
also said they would send the package RUSH at no extra charge!
These are nice people, and they have decent prices.  They carry
just about everything on the want list, except food.  They are:

J-B Wholesale Pet Supplies
289 Wagaraw Road
Hawthorne, NJ 07506
201-423-2222

The want list included:
Money, food, cages, leashes, harnesses, collars, bowls, water bottles, medical
supplies, flea products, kitten and puppy formula, hairball remedies, litter
pans, litter, toys, towels and blankets
-- 
   Katie Fritz --Internet: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu -- CompuServe: 71257,3153
"From what I hear Earth is a podunk little place but they make great pastrami."
         -- Graetwist, "Roadways" #1, Comic Zone Publishing
              --Penn is not Penn State and I am neither--
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 10:43:20 EST
From: <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew Ravages South Florida
 <benjamin.715063487@picasso.mmwb.ucsf.edu>

Hmm....never heard of a mobil home being worth $130,000.  And if 250,000
are homeless, divide that by 2.2 people per home.....

Maybe more....

Don't overestimate either!
From: gregs@slc.slac.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Violence in FL??? (Re: Pets need help in FL!!!)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:51:54 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep2.025942.29912@usl.edu>, tlb2665@usl.edu (Thomas L. Burleigh) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep1.192220.16730@sequent.com>
>    schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
> 
> ... (stuff deleted) .....
> 
>>We thought it
>>interesting that there were no reports of looting in Louisiana.  And
>>couldn't figure out why in one place but not in another.
> 
>  Found it rather interesting too.  Our governor, Edwin Edwards (D),
> attributes this to our heritage, strong sense of community, and strong
> Christian background here in these parts.  He may be on to something,
> but.......
> 
>  Here in Louisiana, we didn't have a metropolis the size of Miami bite the
> dust.  Also, I noticed that our National Guard was *immediately* mobilized
> to keep the peace in the affected areas (towns much smaller than Miami!).
> Don't what role the Florida Nat. Guard played in the immediate aftermath
> over there. Maybe someone over there could clue us in. Also, the LA-ARNG is
> (was) one of the Desert Storm NGs. We had a whole brigade of infantry
> training up for it. (Of which, I was a member.)  The experience probably
> led them to mobilize more effectively. (Can't say for sure, got out just 3
> months ago. :)
> 
>  Personally, I find that most people here think of such things as looting
> and mass violence as pure bullsh*t.  Much better off being laid-back and
> just doing what you gotta do.. :)
> 
>  [Insert standard apologies for hurt feelings here.]
> 
> 
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From: paul@baby.csd.harris.com (Paul Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Miccosuke Indian Village
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:42:02 GMT
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Div.  Ft. Laud. FL

In article <GORDON.92Aug31135545@lugh.think.com>, gordon@lugh.think.com (gordon linoff) writes:
>
>Does anyone know what happened to the Miccosuke Indian
>Village out on Tamiami Trail (my brother-in-law is
>Miccosuke, although he doesn't live on the reservation)?
>Has the Trail been re-opened?
>
>--gordon
>Gordon Linoff  Thinking Machines Corp. Cambridge, MA 02142   617-234-2070
>Internet: gordon@think.com  uucp: {mit-eddie, uunet}!think!gordon

I drove south on I-75 from Tampa to Naples, and then East on Alligator
Alley this Monday (8/31).  I was surprised to see very little damage,
in fact other than a few twisted road signs I wouldn't have noticed any
difference from a week earlier before Andrew hit.  I was expecting alot
of traffic associated with hurricane relief, but found very little.

I'm sure that further south the effects would have been very noticeable.


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Internet:  paul@flipper.csd.harris.com (preferred)
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Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:50:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.014556.3783@udel.edu> hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:

>Ferret Friends of Indian County
>c/o Chere McCoy
>8775 20th St.
>Lot 614
>Vero Beach, FL  32966
>
>(407) 567 - 0994

I forgot to mention, this is the ferret shelter that is taking in all 
the ferrets that the humane society brings back, including any that
they find alive at the Miami ferret shelter that was destroyed.

- Nancy

-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew Ravages South Florida
Summary: Americans exist to give not to receive
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 07:54:53 GMT

In article <Btw6Fn.8uM@pronto.mh.nl> sgl@mh.nl (Annet Siegel) writes:
>
>In article <5997@transfer.stratus.com> dennist@sw.stratus.com (Dennis Tetreault) writes:
>
>> Well, The USA is beginning to respond to the mess Andrew left behind,
>> as we do when any nation suffers a natural disaster. My question is:
>> Have any other nations offered aid to the US so far?
>
>Why should they ?

Good question.  When the dikes go in Holland, fella, feel free to give us a
call.  (Not)  Or will you continue your "rich American" bigotry, and feel
entitled to either have our aid or condemn us for not providing it?  If your
country had been hit like Florida had, you'd be screaming if the USA
wasn't bailing you out BIG TIME.  Some of us find that a tad selfish and
hypocritical.

Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the 80's - RELIEF
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 03:43:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.195326.3224@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> reiling@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu writes:
>to when things will get back to normal, as if expecting people to say "oh...by 
>the end of next week things should be fine." Having lived through HUGO I can 
>say that it takes a *long* time to get things back on track, i.e. electricity, 
>municipal services, trees, and just general scars. I realize that we don't 
>
>DR

I have to second this.  We (Rapid City, SD) had a major flood twenty years ago
this year.  It was 5-10 years before most folks were out of the temporary 
mobil homes that were provided to people who lost their homes in the flood.

Affordable apartments are still scarce (and this can be attributed directly to
the large number of homes which were lost in the flood. )

Of course the people who lost family and friends are not and never will be, 
OKAY, but even those who didn't lose anyone have scars...

And in my opinion, the drinking water is still not as good as it once was.

Cindy 

--
Life among academics has taught me that a well-expressed opinion is
usually better than a badly expressed fact, so far as professional
advancement goes.  --Gabaldon, Outlander.
cldavies@silver.sdsmt.edu        cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: bleck@mobot.ai.mit.edu (Olaf Bleck)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: In-Hurricane analysis
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:53:55 GMT
Reply-To: bleck@ai.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Sep1.190256.5445@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.) writes:
|> 
|> Can someone elaborate on the research methods used by scientists
|> where the actually go into the eyes of active hurricanes with
|> helicoptors and airplanes and all thier related data acquisition
|> equipment on board.


The Nat. Hurricane Center has a beefed up Lockheed or Grumman
something-or-other plane that they fly into the storms.  They drop
radiosondes at various places, and take data back on the plane via telemetry.

I know some of the guys at the Hurricane Center that have been up in it, and
the say you tend to puke a lot...

They don't use helicopters.  Too unreliable, short range, fragile, and
expensive, I imagine.  However, two guys at Turners Falls, MA, did make a
static line parachute jumps from 2000AGL in a Cessna 182 when the eye of
Gloria passed over the drop zone a few years ago.  Winds around the eye were
still at 100+.

-Olaf
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
From: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.153416.14652@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.142452.20345@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> norteman@tnpubs.enet.dec.com (Karen Norteman) writes:

>What is the most cost-effective way to help?  Are there supplies available
>to be purchased within a reasonable distance, if we send money?  Or would

It would probably be best to go ahead and send money, unless you are 
involved in an organization that can get things cheaply.  I'm sure that
the humane society can order supplies much cheaper than we could, so there's
no need buying 50 lbs of food, when the humane society could order 100 lbs
for the same price.

- Nancy


-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
From: dennist@sw.stratus.com (Dennis Tetreault)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew Ravages South Florida
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:58:15 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Howdy,

I heard Kuwait has sent $10,000,000 cash to Fla/Louisiana areas for the
rebuilding effort. I also heard Canada has offered assistance as well.
As I posed the question before (what nations are offering assistance?)
I felt I should post it when I learned the answer.
Just thought I'd mention it. 

Regards
The Dentist
dennist@sw.stratus.com
                               Disclaimer 
The opinions in this post are mine, not my employers. If my employer had
the same opinion as I, I'd urge them to rethink it.
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: chuck@westford.ccur.com (Chuck Palmer)
Subject: How is Sannibel Island?
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford MA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:06:16 GMT


I know Sannibel (sp?) Island was a fair ways off the main
track of the storm, but probably felt a good bit. Can
anyone email me information on how it weathered the storm?
I'm supposed to go down there next month to visit the Gulf side. 

	thanx in advance,

		chuck palmer (chuck@westford.ccur.com)
			      508-392-2997
-- 
                                   chuck p.

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