HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Subject: Re: WoSD as Ethnic Cleansing
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:23:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.055009.15006@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
|> 
|>  I just want to make it clear that I was born in the 70's. I feel no more
|> attatched to the 60's than I do the 50's or even the 1890's. If one wants
|> to define the "Drug Culture", don't define it in terms of the 60's. These
|> are not the 60's and I'd hate to see a retro movement back to the somewaht
|> foolish idealism of the time. The mistakes of the 60's should be taken
|> into account, but these are now the 90's and let us live like they are the
|> 90's. Nostalgia is not the answer to building a constructive movement. But
|> far from that, the term "Drug Culture" is like saying "Music Culture". It
|> is too diverse to simply call a culture. It ids a culture of culture. It
|> is not a culture. A culture is based on a set of ideas and dreams. The
|> only culture involved in drugs is their implementation in one's life and
|> mind: the way they are used and the attitude in which they are used and
|> they attitudes tpowards their use. So a "drug culture" is about as useful
|> as a "coffee-mug culture" and even that is more specific than a "drug
|> culture". The real culture is the love of personal freedom and this goes
|> far beyond the use of drugs. S
|> 
|> St. Anthony 

   First of all, I never used the term "Drug Culture", it is much too
much abused to mean anything useful.  Secondly I am interested
in knowing what you think "the mistakes of the 60's" are. 
(Leftist politics is always a mistake, whenever and wherever 
it occurrs, and leftism is hardly confined to the 60's.)
But back to the main thread...

   Does anyone really think that the musical 'Hair' could have
been written without access to psychoactive experiences?  Does
anyone really think that the teevee show 'Northern Exposure'
would have its current flavor, or would even have been produced,
if personal use of cannabis were not legal in Alaska recently?

   If you ansered no to either question, then you acknowledge that
psychoactive drug experiences have cultural rammifications.  If
you answered yes to both, then it is incumbent upon you to
explain the fantastic irrationality, and fanatical implacability
of the drug warrior bigots.  These characteristics, (irrationality,
implacability), are usually associated with racial and ethnic 
hatred.

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From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: BUTANE - WHAT THE HECK?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:36:11 -0500

In article <1992Oct6.195616.27667@nmsu.edu>, dpotosky@dewey.NMSU.Edu (David Potosky) writes:
> 
> A friend of mine who does a lot of over the counter drugs, ie. Robitussin,  
> Merzzine, etc....Is now doing butane...
> 
> I want to know everything about this you can tell me.  He says he sees spirits  
> and believes them to be the spirits of people who have died doing butane.  THe  
> reason I mention this is because of the obviously extreme hallucinary effects  
> it has.
> 
> My question is should i advice him to stop?

	YES ! YES ! YES ! YES ! YES ! TEN TIMES YES ! ADVISE HIM TO
	STOP IMMEDIATELY !!!

	The primary effect of butane is severe anoxia - meaning
	deprivation of oxygen. The 'spirits' are the same kind
	of thing WW-2 pilots used to start conversing with during
	high altitude missions, just before they began the fatal
	crash. Anoxia causes brain damage - period ! It also can
	induce sudden fatal changes in heart rhythm. There have
	been lots of anoxia deaths in the news, be they from
	butane, freon or whatever. If this guy wants a cheap
	buzz, tell him to try beer or reefer. 

	Other things to stay the hell away from : Chloroform,
	modern unleaded gasoline (very toxic), paint-removers,
	MEK, high doses of 'Niquil' , carbon-tetrachloride
	or any so-called 'cleaning fluids'.

	It is a sad legacy of the War on (some) Drugs that the kids
	have been forced to retreat to more dangerous substances
	as accessibility to cheap grass evaporated. The fascists
	thought that no reefer would mean no more getting high -
	which is bullshit obviously. The situation is parallel to
	the poor bastards in the '20s who started drinking wood
	alcohol because of the prohibition. Pure death in a Sterno
	can, or a hair-tonic bottle. 

-- Jim
-- Freedom is Risk (but let's not be stupid eh ?)
From: j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana Myths (repost)
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:53:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct15.013018.13346@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) wrote:
> 3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug -- it leads to hard drugs
> 
> 	This is one of the more persistent myths.  

This is a myth only where Ganja is decriminalized. As long as pot is
illegal, it is most definitely a gate-way drug because it introduces
one to the illegal underground. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dpotosky@dewey.NMSU.Edu (David Potosky)
Subject: Re: rosewood seeds
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:30:46 GMT

Hawaiian rosewood seeds ALWAYS make me get sick....
How can you like them?

--
David P. Potosky
Computer Science Dept.
New Mexico State University
dpotosky@NMSU.edu
From: flanagan@stat.washington.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [Explinymous Posting] Who is this Jeremy Anderson?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:57:57 GMT
Reply-To: flanagan@stat.washington.edu
Organization: Society for Creative Access to Materials


  I am posting this for Jeremy Anderson. The opinions herein are his, and
  the facts, well...

---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<

	Who is this Jeremy Anderson person anyways?
	(this is being remotely posted because the author is unable to
receive this topic in his current location.)

	Jeremy Anderson is a 23 year-old computer programmer currently
living in the hills around Taipei, Taiwan.  He labors daily at one of the
many silicon forges located in Taipei.  His main interests are the study of
Mandarin Chinese, cooking, hiking, and programming for fun and profit.  He
has very little to do these days with either LSD or Unix (not that he is
predjudiced against either of these) He can be reached for further
correspondence at the e-mail address jeremy@cctwin.ee.ntu.edu.tw.
Prospective missive writers are discouraged only by the fact that he
considers himself an astonishingly boring person.  (He has not gone to the
effort of soliciting testimonials from friends or neighbors, being extremly
lazy as well)

	OK.  We'll give credit where credit is due here.  The quote is
indeed mine, and was made several years back at an informal gathering of
some friends of mine.  I didn't think much of it at the time (nor do I now
for that matter) Steve Aukstakalnis (a friend who I've lost touch with.
Steve, if you're reading this, you know where to find me now) was largely
responsible for spreading it to the net.  If anyone should receive the
"meme of the year award" it's him.  He's pretty social as well and would
enjoy the honor.

	I realize, of course, both LSD and UNIX originated a long ways from
Berkeley.  It was a wry, off-the-cuff remark, not a polished logically
bombproof statement of fact.  I will naturally accept nominations and
awards for any "meme of the year" contests.  Like most residents of Taiwan,
I'm pragmatic and obsessed with making money.  Don't expect me to travel
far to receive it if there isn't some serious cash involved.  ;-)

		Jeremy Anderson
		Hsin Tien, Taipei Hsien
		12 Oct 1992
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:17014 talk.politics.drugs:6767 alt.individualism:5774 misc.legal:18615
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.individualism,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:58:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct13.215841.24788
Organization: Western Washington University

C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Matthew Q Keeler de la Mancha) writes:

>Supreme Court justices will probably be
>replaced over the course of the next four years.
>I am now obligated to vote against immediate national well-being
>in order to protect long term well-being.  I cannot vote for a Bush-defined
>Judicial branch.  While Bush would be better for the economy, he would
>destroy the civil liberties protected by the Supreme Court.  As dissappointing

???  Looks like a statement w/o substantiation.  Thomas has described
himself as a libertarian in the past, and stated that government power
over the individual has reached levels that would have been considered
totalitarian at one time.

	Clinton digs government power, sees it as essentialy a positive 
thing, as a force of good rather than a neccesesary evil.  There is no 
reason he could possibly have for appointing Justices who do not share his 
views.

>as it is, I now _have_ to vote for Clinton.  Economic crap fluxuates and
>eventually there is recovery.  Supreme court decisions last godawful long.
>(Morreau and Perot will not win, so a vote for either is like voting for
>Bush by default.)

	Or as my grandfather warned me, like a vote for Clinton by 
default.   "For _God's_ sake Jim, don't help put a spendthrift president
in with a sympathetic congress.  It will be the ruinination of us all!"


>I am, of course willing to be convinced otherwise. :)

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Please Help
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 16:13:44 GMT



Oh god! First phone-calls and now THIS!!!

St. Anthony

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From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: some notes on the preside
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:00:24 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Quoth Tms regarding SOME NOTES ON THE PRESIDE on 10-13-92:


T >     Did anyone else notice Bush scratch his nose just as he mentioned
T >cocaine? I found it hilarious, myself.

Much to their credit, the producers of "Roc," broadcast on Fox after the 
debate, noticed it.

Because "Roc" is live, they were able to use it.  They opened the show 
with Roc's father watching the debate on TV, and showed Bush doing this.  
It brought a considerable laugh from the audience.

I laughed at it all over again.

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From: pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip C. Kilinskas)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Terence McKenna and Timewave Zero
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:13:27 GMT
Organization: UB

Mitchell.Porter@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:

>Is McKenna on the net? Has anyone tried his "Timewave Zero" software?
>Is it available on the net somewhere?

Hi... I don't know whether McKenna is on the net or not, but would you mail
me, or post to the group, some info on what "Timewave Zero" is?  I've never
heard of it...
Thanks,
Phil
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:46:33 -0500

Regarding the "private corporation" that is handling the debates.
Someone correct me on this if I'm in error -- it was my understanding
that the "bi-partisan commission" on debates receives funding from 
tax dollars.  In other words, all us taxpayers provide some of the
revenue that is used to sponsor these debates.  If I am accurate on
this, then failure to include any legitimate candidate who is on
the ballot on all 50 states probably IS actionable.

Because I consider that the Federal Election Commission was set up to
institutionalize the status quo and cement the power of the two
main parties, I have always refused the $1 checkoff on my income
tax -- and I'm a registered Democrat!

-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
"Run 'em down, Fred!  They don't belong here!  Run 'em down!"
-- Bobby Fischer to Fred Cramer, who was driving him through a
a crowd of spectators after Fischer adjourned game 1 in his
1972 match with Spassky.
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:17102 alt.society.civil-liberty:6289 alt.politics.elections:17095
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:25:11 GMT
	<1992Oct8.204658.11871@newstand.syr.edu> <Bw0sn0.Csv@scd.hp.com>
	<1992Oct12.210111.27321@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> <Bw315D.HEI@scd.hp.com>
Organization: American Math. Society

In a different vein, shouldn't this thread be in talk.politics.drugs
instead of alt.drugs?  I know, I know, use a killfile.  But really,
shouldn't it?
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:03:21 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Oct13.051146.24951@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>How many would do so if the testing were not mandated by the government?
	When did the government mandate that Coors, Blockbuster, Sam's 
	and KFC all start piss-testing?  May the great god Milton Friedman
	have mercy on my soul but I don't see a government behind those 
	companys' actions.

>I expect that it would be very few. And they would quit when they found
>that their competitors were doing fine without resorting to the tests.
	Right.  If there is anything more pathetic than a true-blue
	communist clinging to his tattered copy of Marx, its the true-blue 
	partisan of unbridled capitalism clinging to his tattered copy of
	Milton Friedman.  Economics seems to take on the qualities of
	a religion for some folks:  "Just have faith in the free market
	brothers and sisters and we'll all meet in the great bye and bye".
	Man's capacity for self-delusion and religious thought patterns
	seems inexhaustible.

							smg
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:24:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >: 
: >:      Depends on how many employers decide they'd like to make the same
: >: requirement. Look at what happened when a lot of companies started
: >: drug testing; it's very difficult to get a job (in some fields) these
: >: days without pissing in a bottle. (Of course, these days, it's hard to
: >: get a job.)
: >
: >How many would do so if the testing were not mandated by the government?
: >I expect that it would be very few. And they would quit when they found
: >that their competitors were doing fine without resorting to the tests.
: 
:      Plenty of companies that have nothing to do with the government
: are drug testing. Blockbuster Video and Heckinger's come to mind
: immediately. A lot of retail positions now require drug testing. These
: tests are not mandated by the government.

Ok - lets carry it a step further. What if these drugs were no longer
illegal. What if there was honest information out there about the lack
of effectiveness of drug testing? Do you think the companies would still
use the tests?

Blockbuster Video, and other such places is losing a fair amount of business
by their testing policy. True, it is not hurting them much - not enough for
them to really notice. However, that could change if attitudes about drugs
and privacy change. Blockbuster is a "me too" organization. Because the tests
are required for some government contractors, Blockbuster wants to pretend
that they are just as important - so they impose testing also.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Think drinks: DMAE -- what is it and what are its effects?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:27:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.165741.21726@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgunders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Gunderson) writes:
>    I haven't taken gurana myself, but I understand that it's effect
>is similar to caffeine (I remember there being some debate about whether
>it has caffeine in it... I think I remember the outcome being that it
>doesn't).

Guarana is a product of the Amazonian plant /Paullinia cupana/.  According
to the "...of the jungle" catalog (RTFFAQ!), it contains "tetra-methyl-
xanthine, hypoxanthine, guaranine, theophylline and theobromine".  So
no caffeine, it appears, but other xanthine alkaloids.  Might be worth
trying if you have a specific problem with caffeine.

>- Mark G.

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: reading list for LSD
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:36:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.145651.3789@vax.muskingum.edu> ch_hayhurst@vax.muski
gum.edu writes:
>Would anyone ou there happen to have a required reading list on the synt
esis
>of LSD, STP or any other nifty hallucinogenic drugs?
>If so, could you be so kind as to E-mail it to me or post it for anyone'

>benefit ?
>
>Thank you muchly,
>	Chris
>


 *chuckle*

 I am in the process of compiling a massive list on just about every topic
that relates to psychedelcs. Cannabinoids are neglcted so far, although I
may end up putting together a list for them as well, as well as a list for
simple stimulants and opioid narcotics. M
 My posting of the "Required Phenethylamine Reading List" was just a taste
to whet your appetites. When it is finished it will be posted biweekly.
If anybody has references they want to mail me, do it, although I probably
have a copy of it already. Though you never know...

St. Anthony

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Robitussen (DM is it?) and long term side effects
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:46:42 GMT



 Although the chance for it happening is far less than most narcotic-type
drugs (yes DM is related to opiates), there is a chance, through gross
excessive abuse of dextromethorphan that tolerance and habituation may
result. This may happen even to someone who uses it several times every
day, in the correct doesage for a chronic cough. But like I said, the
chance is far less than the addictive liability of codeine for example.

St. Anthony

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From: davidc@cs.uwa.oz.au (David Cake)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: G.I.JOE Does WOD Propaganda Stint
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:23:19 GMT
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.

In <1992Oct6.184702.1738@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:

>News Flash ! G.I.Joe joins forces with his arch-nemisis Spectre to fight
>against "The Worst Evil" ... drugs !
I was most alarmed to see in a local toy store a G.I. Joe line action figure
with D.E.F. -- Drug Elimination Force writ very large on the packet. Apparently
the solution to the drug abuse problem involves a large orange bazooka.

I was rather amused to see next to it an'Ozone Defense Trooper'. Apparently
to restore the ozone layer you use a curious device that looks like a cross
between scuba gear and a flame thrower, only bright blue.

Don't think about it, it'll only upset you.
>-- Jim
>-- Freedom is Risk 
					Dave Cake
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: fineman@milton.u.washington.edu (Cheesy Hatin' it)
Subject: Re: Heroin  (effects...)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:39:56 GMT


 being 					uh.....
	observant of the Seattle psychedelic scene, it would
	seem that Heroin is not widely available.
There are psychedelics aplenty (MDA, MDMA, LSD, psylocibin (sp?), hash, MJ,
				even coke & crack, crystal meth, etc...)
	but heroin doesn't seem to be on the exchange.

		I get the impression that it's not in the category
		of "consciousness expanders" that many of the mentioned
		substances fall into.  Any FOAF stories?  It's not mentioned
		but once in a blue moon on alt.drugs.....

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:23:09 GMT
Keywords: New-Speak

> >In article <5d6-k9@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
> >>>I guess you agree, then, that employers are entitled to require sexual
> >>> favors in order to grant employment, that they should freely be able to
> >>> discriminate

> gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:

> >	You act as if these things weren't already going on, despite
> >	government attempts to curtail them.  One can only imagine how bad
> >	it would be if the practices mentioned were not currently 
> >	proscribed.  

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

> 	This is the exact argument used by Drug Warriors:  Drug related
> problems are so bad now, if they were legal who knows how bad they would get?

Just because the drug warriors are wrong on important things, doesn't mean
they're wrong about everything.  In other words, you can't declare
something false, just because some of the people who believe it are stupid.

As a positive argument: when the government wasn't trying to curtail labor
abuses, things WERE worse.

-- 
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