HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ceo@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chip Olson)
Subject: The Dead make _The Economist_ (Jerry's ties)
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:57:56 GMT

From _The Economist_ (British newsweekly), July 18-24 1992


What a long strange tie it's been

Compare and contrast: the Grateful Dead and the Democratic National Convention.
Both roll noisily into Madison Square Garden with alarming regularity.  Both 
have audiences that are a mix of aging hippies and dreamy neophytes wistful for
an era when the performers were more inspiring and less paunchy.  Both have
been supported by Bob Dylan.  At a Dead concert the audience is on hallucino-
genic drugs; at a Democratic convention, it just behaves as if it is.

Soon fans of the greying rock band and its political counterpart may share a
common fashion sense, too.  That might seem unlikely.  The two groups wear
decidedly different uniforms: garish tie-dyed T-shirts for "Deadheads", badly 
cut blue suits for conventioneers.  But as conventioneers streamed into New 
York, on July 11 Bloomingdale's unveiled a new line of designer ties based on
artwork by the the Dead's lead guitarist and singer, Jerry Garcia.  At $28.50
the psychedelic silk ties, which come with helpful titles such as Undertow,
Abstract Angles and Ibid, are little more expensive than a good tie-d T-shirt 
and can be worn openly at the office to boot. 

Betting there will be thousands of older, closeted Deadheads for whom that 
prospect holds appeal is Stonehenge, the New York tie-maker that is producing
the J. Garcia Neckwear collection.  Stonehenge, which supplies ties to such
distinctly square department stores as Nordstron, hopes to sell 84,000 of the
first batch of ties; a new line is planned for autumn.  The company will get
no help from Mr Garcia: he refuses to wear the ties, even for publicity photos.

Despite Mr Garcia's preference for celebrith anti-marketing, it is not the
first time his name has been used as a brand.  Ben & Jerry's, a trendy American
ice-cream outfit run by a pair of ostentatiously green ex-hippies in Vermont,
makes a flavour called "Cherry Garcia".  But though Mr Garcia's fans have 
always eaten ice cream, there was a time long ago when they would not have 
been caught dead, gratefully or otherwise, in a tie.  Now their generation is
working on Wall Street. managing companies--even running for president. What
next?  Johnny Rotten on Savile Row?

[accompanying photo: Jerry playing guitar (tieless, of course), caption "He'd
never wear one"]
--
-Chip Olson. | ceo@silver.lcs.mit.edu | ceo@gnu.ai.mit.edu 
"PROUD SPONSORS OF THOSE WHO CARRY THE TORCH"  -banner on US Post Office
across from burned-out block of stores in south-central LA.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Subject: TRADE: my 8/22's for you 8/23's
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:54:48 GMT


	Hiyas.  I've got 2 8/22's and 2 8/23's.  And a group
of 4 people. We'd all like to go on the same day -- 8/23.  
Anyone care to trade with me?

	Take care, y'all... rj
--
Ranjan Bagchi:   Di.sigsgvirusuise                 Ranjan.Bagchi@umich.edu
oo   oooo  o oo   ooo oo oo   oo       o o  oooo ooo o       o        oooooooo
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Althoff <jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Synchronicity
Reply-To: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:08:24 GMT

 A little "coincidence" (?) from Dead-Flames Digest #100:

Robert K. Toutkoushian (TOUTKOUS@vx.cis.umn.edu) writes:

|         Sorry, I couldn't resist. I guess I'm just an anal-retentive Head 
|who has nothing better to do than look for any small, meaningless error in 
|postings 8-}. Sometimes, dont'cha just feel like a pack of vultures waiting to 
			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|pounce on the innocent posters? Smaller errors than this have branded 
|posters with the dreaded "T" label :-) :-) :-). 
|

while gsu0013@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Kaminsky) writes:

| MORAL:  The moral of this story is Karma, I believe.  If you help others
| and are giving of yourself (without being asked) Good will befall you!
| I think that the moral code is something that deadheads (many anyway)
| share on their Journeys through tours and such.  But beware, where there
| is good there is evil.  I think that we all need to remember that there
| are vultures out there who like to prey on unsuspecting deadheads.  I
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| know that I've been preyed upon (not from deadheads, but by locals
| looking to make a quick buck! -- So beware!  
| 

  Coincidence you say? I think not! :-) The birds of prey......

  Vultures out there??? Hell, we got 'em in here!

  Feeling better, Jeff A.
From: burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Burnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Some random questions....
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:43:26 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <111036@muvms3.bitnet> rcbi105@muvms3.bitnet (Matt Leary) writes:

> In article <3293@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> > In article <1992Jul21.172344.24008@nic.umass.edu> s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene) writes:
> >>>2)  Why did Donna Godshaux leave the band??
> >>They kicked her out because she couldn't sing (basically)

> > 	Oh, horseshit.

> I have to say this but I agree that they kick her out because she couldn't
> Sing.  All that moaning that I hear on the tapes with her on it, I just want
> kick my tape player.  Not true of course but it would not suprise me a bit.

Anyone who thinks that Donna couldn't sing should listen to the
*great* high harmony parts she adds to the 5/19/77 version of The
Wheel.

There were times when she grated (pun intended), but plenty of
other times when she really made a difference for the better.

--Gary B.
-- 
Gary Burnett                             burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu 
130 Columbia Street                      gburnett@zodiac.rutgers.edu   
Highland Park, NJ  08904                          jera@well.sf.ca.us

"Things then did not delay in turning curious."  --Thomas Pynchon  
 
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From: scialdone@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Scialdone)
Subject: Assembly Required
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:05:00 GMT

Does anybody out here know what happened to the GD band "Assembly Required"
based in Detroit?? I heard from people at the Burggettstown, PA shows that they
were planning a reunion sometime this summer?? 

*********Struggled for a NICKEL, struggled for a DIME**********

John
From: sjeck@isi.com (Steve -- The Other One)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: JS@SJ setlist
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:35:47 GMT
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet



Another FANTASTIC FREE show in the Park!


Jefferson Starship: The Next Generation!
Plaza Park, San Jose California
23 July 1992

We Can Be Together
Ride The Tiger
Crown Of Creation
Wooden Ships
Law Man
I'm On Fire
Papa's Boogie
Ain't No Country Girl
Girl With The Hungry Eyes
Genesis Hall  (Fairport Convention tune)
I'm Moving
Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Dark Ages
America
Volunteers

The Other Side Of This Life

Paul Kantner - Vocals, Guitar
Darby Gould - Vocals
Slick Aguilar - Guitar
Tim Gorman - Keyboards
Prarie Prince - Drums
David Morgan - Bass
Papa John Creach -Violin from Papa's Boogie to end
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: steveha@sco.COM (Steve Harris)
Subject: Tipper, etc... Be aware, Be awake
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:56:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead



I tend to agree with the folks who see Tipper Gore's stance
on record labelling as the position of a concerned parent.

Consider the media approach to this issue...music industry
hype and conservative buzzwords.  Tipper's political viewpoint
was easily mishappen to appear Right-Wing radical by the media.
This played into the hands of 2 special interests:  right-wing
conservative radicals who furthered their agenda, AND record
companies/music groups.  The issue is not dead.

This reminds me of Affirmative Action and the media.  Affirmative
Action took years to form as a policy, molded and pushed through
the system by the hard work and sacrifice of thousands (if not
millions of people).  It was the first policy that rationally 
effected progress for the blacks in this nation.  It was a very
complex issue of overall fairness, history, and culture.  The
key idea was getting disenfranchised people participating in
the system.  Not perfect, but better than the current methods.
The few people who were displaced were less-able white folk.  
In came from the media...
	Reverse Discrimination 
So everybody throws out the idea of affirmative action based
on sound bites and irrational agenda, rather than re-examining
and modifying it, preserving the essence (and labor).



ESSENTIALLY...

Be aware.  The media wants to reprogram your language and icon-
ography.  Be awake.  And decide the issues for yourselves.


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: GD special effects question...
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:18:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.110421.1786@bvc.edu> bowers@bvc.edu writes:
>From What I saw at the RFK show in 90, the effect I think you are talking 
>about looks like Digitrail -- or some similar effect -- which is produced 
>by an Ampex Digital Optics (ADO) digital video effects system.  Essentailly 
>once you digitize video you can manipulate it in any number or ways 
>depending on the memory capacity of the DVE you are using. ADO is pretty 
>much a high-end industry standard.  Grass Valley Group offers even better 
>effects on it's Kaleidoscope unit and the video post-production may have 
>been done using that.
>
>As for How you do it, spend 600 or 700 bucks an hour for a high tech video 
>edit suite and a trained operator.

Anyone know if Video Toaster has any capabilities such as this, we
are thinking about getting one here. 

Whats a photographer to do when everything is going computer?
Compute:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: wwilliam@dvorak.amd.com (Wade Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:17:14 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Jul30.160732.9942@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> WS3X@cornellc.bitnet writes:
>This Donna Bashing is getting outa hand (and seems to me a thinly veiled form o
>f chavunism i.e. the Dead's stage is no place for a woman, its too intense or
>some BS like that).  I won't deny that there are tapes out there where Donna le
>ts loose some intense screams but that's the what the Dead are about...taking
>
AAAAAAAAAAAHhhhhgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why why why is everything said these days *always* interpreted as bashing
some group of people???  You talk about a woman and you are
the female gender.  Talk about a black person and your bashing Negros.
Why don't you just make jokes about skinny rhythemless white boys and I
will try not to take it as an attack against my type.

Donna sounded great at times, she also sounded damn awful at other
times.  She is no longer singing in the band...for better or worse.  If
people hate Jerry or Bob, they probably hate the Dead altogether so 
what's the point in complaining?  Donna was the *only* female, and only
member to just provide a voice without playing an instrument.  This
makes her position unique.  Had there been a male up there sounding the
same, I'm sure most people would have the same opinions about his
contribution.

Around and around...sexism in Dead lyrics anyone??????

Wade
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From: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Englishtown is 9/3/77
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:43:36 GMT

 So Sorry, Englishtown is 9/3/77, should've checked my ticketstub....
 Still, Donna sounds good on the tape. I liked the extra texture 
 they had with her. I also think the Grateful Dead sound fantastic now. 
 Vince is great! 

 One person's interesting vocal modulation is another person's out of tune
 singing :-):-):-)

 Jeff A.
-- 

------------------------------
Jeff Althoff
jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
From: tjdalton@athena.mit.edu (Transitive NightFall of Diamonds)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Cal Expo JGB wire
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:27:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Jul26.152726.7420
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <8mjm5v=.andyrose@netcom.com> andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory) writes:
>
>If I have a battery operated 1.2G screaming disc, can I write 44Khz
>DAT stereo data onto the net?
>1,200,000,000/44,000 = 1,2000,000/44 is how many seconds on disc.
>3600 seconds in an hour (44*36 < 50*50 = 2500)
>12000/25 = 500 hours on the big disk.

Sorry. You are not counting 2 channels, oversampling,
error correction, subcodes, etc.  A 1.2G drive and hold 120 minutes
(2 hours) of digital music only... You're off by a factor of 250.
I sure hope you don't do engineering designs...
From: parilis@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Parilis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: chip on your shoulder?
Keywords: here's one for you
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:21:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


If you have a chip on your shoulder about scalping, here's 
a person for you to flame, turn in, etc.

*BUT*... Make sure that scalping is the intent first!  The
phrase "best offer" implies "highest price", but before you
make the person miserable, ask them first.

Gary the Rat

Article <1992Jul22.213047.23672@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Jul 22 21:30
Subject: Springsteen Tickets
Keywords: Tickets
From: ginger@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.gallagher @ AT&T)
Newsgroups: nj.forsale,nj.general
(13 lines)


  A friend of mine is selling the following Springsteen tickets
  for the Meadowlands shows:

        July 28 (Tuesday) - 4 tickets (together) - Sold in pairs only

        July 30 (Thursday) - 2 Tickets (together) - Pair only (no
singles)

  Best offer takes them.  Contact me as soon as possible.


   Eleanor Gallagher
   ginger@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dead Sighting - Boston Globe
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:01:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

> Rexx [sic]

I'm almost sure that it is infact Rexx (two eckses)

-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX 4155537756 When peace rules the planet
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Tipper Update
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:52:25 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

direwolf@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Kathy Watts) writes:
>>
>Don't be naive, Kat:  What Mrs. Gore did was to get her powerful Senator
>husband to oblige the record companies, et al, to appear before an investigaive
>committee of the United States Congress, and face the intimidating possibility
>that Congress would pass laws about record contents if they didn't cooperate.

>It's called BLACKMAIL when mere mortals do it!

Dont be naive Dire... this is called POLITICS. Its how government works.
The basis behind parlimentary government is found in variations of bribery
or bartering (backscrathing), extortion and holding  a gun to the head of 
ones foe. By the way, business works the same way.



>I think Al needs a divorce before I could tolerate him in the White House!

I would happily concede to labeling records and CDs anyway the labels
_voluntarily_ see fit if it means removing Bush (that pillar of free
thought) from the white house....

eel

"Whats the point in callin shots if the cue aint straight in line"
From: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Veneta show Eugene net gathering
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:57:24 GMT
Reply-To: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)

Well, I've seen a suggestion or two for some brewpub in Eugene for a net  
gathering before the Veneta shows.  Now, I'll be camping at the show site with  
a bunch of deadheads in a rented RV, so I won't have motor transport to and  
from Eugene (though I suppose I could take the shuttle bus, but I'm guessing  
it'll be packed all the time, and I'd rather bicycle in any case).  I've gotten  
a reply that there's a nice scenic route to the fairgrounds from Eugene that's  
about 18 miles and relatively flat, which should take me an hour to an hour and  
a half to ride.

So, for my sake, could we have the net gathering start early enough for me to  
hang out a while and still have time to ride back to the concert site before  
the show starts?

Also, if there's interest, I can make this an official "bike ride to the net  
gathering" if there are other netheads who plan on camping at the site and  
having bicycles.

"Look ma, a crazed hippy hacker biker gang!"

--
                             E-Mail (NeXTmail accepted): Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com
                    "Character is what you are in the dark." -Buckaroo Banzai
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." -Willy Wonka
From: ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: GD Hour in Phoenix??
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:01:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: asuvax.1992Jul28.170144.13007
Organization: Tempe

Steve Golston <ASSSG@asuacad.bitnet> writes:
> They're hiring Mary McCann ("The Bone Mama") and purportedly will
> be allowing the dj's to put together their own shows (could this be real?)

     Yes, Mary stopped by the bar where I live
last night (Casey's).  (Damn!  I forgot to check
out her Hog in the parking lot.)  Her first shift
is Friday at 6pm.

--Starcap'n Ra       {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: 7/22/92 - Weir/Wasserman setlist & brief net.rap
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:05:12 GMT
Organization: The Boy Scouts of America Preparedness Troop #.002

Seth Breidbart asks...
>>from this jam session felt truly special.  Unfortunately, Michelle's
>>road mgr. prevented us from obtaining autographs, but the whole scene
>>was *way* cool.
>
>The hell with the autographs.  Where are the TAPES?

Unfortunately, this was one of those times where I *wish* I was a concert
taper.:-( I'd say there was approximately 30-40 people hanging out and
enjoying the session, but I did not see a deck in sight.  Simultaneously,
I also didn't have a camera:  at least it's in my memory, but that really
isn't a great consolation in this case.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Savoye <rob@cygnus.com>
Subject: Re: why the Dead can't play at Red Rocks
Reply-To: rob@cygnus.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:23:08 GMT


  The reason the Dead can't play Red Rocks anymore is because of the 
deadheads. (CSN was great last night) At the time of the last Red Rocks shows
I lived up the road a little and hung out with a deadhead/town council type
from Morrison. Simply put, Morrison was tired of the "hordes" who would desend
on town for *days*. The trash also was a problem. During the last shows there,
there were almost as many people without tickets as in the show. This caused
a change in how they handle parking, which after sitting in traffic for an
*hour* last night, is NOT an improvement.
  The other reason is that the Morrison Town Council all went to Telluride
afterwards and when they saw how respectfully Telluride was treated they lost
it. I mentioned several times that Telluride offered free camping -- out
of town and handed out free trash bags, which helped considerably. Anyway,
their feeling was "F*#$ deadheads, if they can trash Morrison but clean up
Telluride, let'm suffer !@!@!!" I pleaded that they only needed to change
the way they deal with deadheads (like Telluride) but like most folks, they
couldn't see the error in their ways.
  Even Boulder won't allow the Dead to play. A few years ago when a Folsom
show was attempted, Boulder closed Folsom field for "renovation" so the
shows couldn't happen. Their reason (unofficially) was that they don't need
anymore street people in Boulder! It's the size of the crowds and the attitudes
(oh no, this thread again) that keep the Dead from playing many special
places, not the Dead themselves.

	- rob -
From: sjeck@isi.com (Steve -- The Other One)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: exactly perfect
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:15:04 GMT
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet


Winterland Arena, San Francisco California
on Tuesday June 7 1977, Bob Weir said:

"These intermitable pauses between, between songs
are just us trying to get everything exactly perfect."

The crowd roars.

Weir, "Everything must be exactly perfect before we proceed."
Garcia laughs; crowd yells.

Weir, "But I believe everything is exactly perfect now, so 
I think we'll go right ahead on."


IS THIS THE KIND OF DANGEROUS, POWERFUL THINGS THAT GRATEFUL DEAD
MIGHT SAY TO THEIR AUDIENCE THAT GARCIA WAS REFERING TO IN THE
TRICYCLE INTERVIEW?

Steve-TOO
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: in it for the money
Keywords: Money, Money , Money!
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:39:15 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <3306@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.202039.7998@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>>Since when are dead tickets cheaper than other rock 'n roll tickets??
>
>	Excuse me, but how many of those shows were in large stadiums
>with an opening act (even it was steve miller) ?  The people I stayed
>with told me that U2 tickets were 35, and the Springsteen tickets were
>higher.

Well, Charlotte was $25, with no opener. As was Hampton, too. Sure, the other
mega-rocknroll-star shows are equivalently overpriced, but that does nto
make the Dead cheaper....