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From: jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon)
Subject: Re: Lufthansa-To travel or not?!
Originator: jl@SHELLEY.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:39:32 GMT


In article <1992Sep14.191044.21744@samba.oit.unc.edu> Anand.Rao@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Anand Rao) writes:

   After watching all the Xenophobic (and racist) activities that are going
   on in Germany, I am wondering if this is a good move.  Why should I, a
   "foreigner" support a German airline...and why should I pay $50 or so to
   the German Government (for transit visa) that has not taken adequate measures
   against the riotors.  Any comments welcome!
   ---Anand Rao

  Anand,

  I think the German government has taken the strongest reasonable measures 
possible against the rioters.  They have even deployed the army.  What do you
want, a state of exception?!  That would really start us into a downward
spiral.  

  You're being xenophibic, in a way, by making judgements about Germans,
governments and airlines from scant reports. 

  Can you imagine thousands of economic refugies living in the poorest parts
of the US being suported economically by the US government?  Would that create
riots, you think?  Brotherly love is a crock when you think you were first
in line for help and people are jumping ahead of you.  This that I say is no
justification, but it helps me realize that the unexcusable acts against 
foreigners in Germany are a result of the present situation, do not have 
their roots in anything inescapably German, and therefore admit a solution.

  Nobody is to blame, certainly not Lufthansa.

  I apologize for deviating from the topic of this forum.

Juan







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From: jessup@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Elizabeth Jessup)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE--Continental coupon $100 off
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:09:13 GMT

In article <1931tgINNbl0@agate.berkeley.edu> jwlin@soda.berkeley.edu (Jonathan Lin) writes:
>FOR SALE --- Continental Airlines coupon:
>
>"Save up to $100 on Continental"
>
>The coupon is good for travel withing the 48 contiguous United States,
>must have a Sat. night stay, and can be used when a roundtrip ticket is
>purchased (any published adult fare).
>
>SAVE: $25 on roundtrip fares between $150 and $249, or
>      $50 on roundtrip fares of $250 or more
>
>Up to two tickets may be issued with the coupon. Coupon expires 12/14/92.
>Travel not permitted November 24-25 and 29-30, 1992.
>
>
>Asking price for coupon is $29 or best offer.
>
>E-mail jwlin@soda.berkeley.edu
>
>-- 
>------------------------
>Jonathan Lin
>jwlin@soda.berkeley.edu
>------------------------

Jonathan's probably not aware of this, but Continental is no longer honoring
any of its coupons on flights with fares less than some large amount ($300?).
I just spent a long time on the phone with them reading off the codes from a
STACK (really) of coupons for $25-$50 "off any fare" and was unable to lower
the fares on the $288 tickets I was trying to buy.  The coupon in this ad sounds 
like the freebie from American Express that was in my stack.   

I was especially unhappy about this because the fares went up from $177 per ticket
(using a $50-off coupon) to $288 per ticket (absolutely no coupons) overnight 
despite the Continental agent's assurance that I had plenty of time to confirm 
the conference arrangements before buying the tickets.

Your tax dollars at work.....
l.
From: jwlin@soda.berkeley.edu (Jonathan Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: FOR SALE--Continental coupon $100 off
Date: 15 Sep 1992 09:53:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep15.020913.20107@colorado.edu> jessup@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Elizabeth Jessup) writes:
>In article <1931tgINNbl0@agate.berkeley.edu> jwlin@soda.berkeley.edu (Jonathan Lin) writes:
>>FOR SALE --- Continental Airlines coupon:

>>"Save up to $100 on Continental"

>>The coupon is good for travel withing the 48 contiguous United States,
>>must have a Sat. night stay, and can be used when a roundtrip ticket is
>>purchased (any published adult fare).

>>SAVE: $25 on roundtrip fares between $150 and $249, or
>>      $50 on roundtrip fares of $250 or more

>>Up to two tickets may be issued with the coupon. Coupon expires 12/14/92.
>>Travel not permitted November 24-25 and 29-30, 1992.

>>Asking price for coupon is $29 or best offer.


>Jonathan's probably not aware of this, but Continental is no longer honoring
>any of its coupons on flights with fares less than some large amount ($300?).
>I just spent a long time on the phone with them reading off the codes from a
>STACK (really) of coupons for $25-$50 "off any fare" and was unable to lower
>the fares on the $288 tickets I was trying to buy.  The coupon in this ad sounds 
>like the freebie from American Express that was in my stack.   

 ...

 Just got off the phone with Continental. They are accepting the coupon that
I am selling at the terms that I listed. No problems found, probably since
this is not an American Express offer.

 Oh, forgot to mention that this coupon is _fully_transferable_ . 

 No one has purchased the coupon yet at $29, so e-mail me if you have an
offer for the coupon.


 
-- 
------------------------
Jonathan Lin
jwlin@soda.berkeley.edu
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:47:39 EDT
From: <MWB6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: pakistan airways

Hi there
Is there anyone who knows the address and phone of any office in new york (or t
he rest of USA) of Pakistan Airways. Please E-mail to Michael Breedveld at
mwb6.psuvm.psu.edu
thanks, michael
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From: bibek@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bibek Ghosh)
Subject: Airline ticket for sale (SFO ==> Newark, NJ)
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: rec.travel.air, su.market, ba.market.misc, ca.wanted
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:18:19 GMT

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		Ticket for sale 


		Continental Fl# 254, 9/20/92

		Dep (SFO): 10:00pm
		Arr (Newark): 6.17 am


		Asking : $100.00 o.b.o.


contact: e-mail: bibek@pangea.stanford.edu

		ssen@phoenix.princeton.edu

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From: raghu@gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu (Raghu Machiraju)
Subject: cheap fares to India via Japan
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:32:09 GMT

I am shopping for cheap fares. My intended route is Columbus-> LA/San Francisco
-> Tokyo ->New Delhi, India. So far Thai Air ( through a Travel Agent ) has
given me the cheapest fare ( approx $1300). I am still exporing. 

My first question is about do-it-yourself-reservation systems. Compuserve
has two ( Sabre and Travelshopper). However, they seem to be catering to
specific airlines and not conducive to competetive shopping across airlines.
Do BBS or reservation systems exist which would let me log in and browse ?
Would my efforts really save me money ? Would I be better off being with
a Travel Agent.

Also, would it better to stay with one airline and bargain a fare for the
entire route or fly different airlines to each city enroute and get the
cheapest possible fares ? That is optimize the cost of each part of the 
trip instead of the entire trip.

any tips would be useful. Thanks in advance
raghu
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with 727s at LGA?????
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.181430.18599@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>
>There are other factors.  LaGuardia's runways are not long enough to
>land larger (747 or L-1011) planes.  In fact, I thought 767s needed more
>runway space than LaGuardia could provide.  (I'm sure I will be
>corrected on this) I also think that it takes more power for a plane to
>take off and immediately make a right turn like they have to out of
>LaGuardia.
>
   LaGuardia runways are long enough (BARELY) for L-1011's and DC-10s, as well
as 767s.  I've flown out of LGA on all three of them (TW L10,767 & AA D10). As
far as I know, the 747 is the only plane which cannot land at LGA.

   One other interesting note about LGA and 727s.  When Boeing was designing
the 727, Boeing was trying to assure as much of a market for the plane as 
possible, since there were (believe it or not) doubts on its success.  As a 
result, Boeing tried to meet as many of the customers' demands that existed.
One of the demands for Eastern (which had substantial operations at LGA)
was for the 727 to be able to land on 4860 foot (at that time) runway.

   Accoring to the book "Boeing : Planemaker to the world", "tests showed that
[the 727] could brake to a stop in as little as 700 feet."  Of course you'd
need runways longer than that for commercial service, but 727s can make it into
some very small airports.

Greg


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From: wheeler@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Aaron Wheeler)
Subject: Transfers from JFK
Keywords: transfer,jfk 
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:29:33 GMT

I would like to thank everyone for their responses regarding Delta's
BEX.  It looks like it may be a good way to go (and accumulate FF miles
in the progress! :) )

Now, can anyone provide recommendations on getting from Kennedy to
Midtown?

I have looked at two options.  The Carey express coach runs quite
frequently and looks like a good bet.  The JFK Express train is
another possibility.

One problem with the train: everyone at the Port Authority gives me
a different story.  One says that I take the free shuttle from JFK
to Howard Beach Station, then I take the "A" train to midtown.  Another
says the train loops through JFK into Midtown.  What is the true story?
Also, what is the fare for the trip?

Once again, thanks for your help!
From: jbc@linus.mitre.org (John B. Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Delta's Business Express (BEX)
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:54:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA

In article <1992Sep13.235918.5272@udel.edu> wheeler@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Aaron Wheeler) writes:


>   Does anyone have any experiences flying Delta's Business Express (BEX)?
>   I am considering using it from PHL-JFK (fare is the almost the same
>   as Amtrak Metroliner service, do not mind the trip from JFK to Midtown,
>   and get 2000 miles for my Delta FFP) and would like a second opinion.
>
>   Thanks for your help!

>  --Aaron

Delta uses BEX for several of its BOS-DCA flights .. to the surprise
of passengers who expect a jetway and a 727 and instead get a walk
across the tarmac (or a bus ride to the parked aircraft.)

I use the BEX flights when the arrival time is convenient; on the OAG
charts it takes 2 hours compared to  1:30 on the 727.  Take something
to read and you won't notice the slowness.

It turns out that the Saab 340 with its 34 seats is classified as a
light aircraft.  In Washington National that qualifies it to take off
and land on the short runway.  Often that is a *real* plus because
they don't have to join the big parade of heavies lined up for the
longer runway.  So the 4:30 PM departure may actually leave the ground
earlier than the 4:30 from a competitor.

Flight from PHL to JFK is so short you won't notice that they don't
have booze or food service.  Last week they had a big bottle of red
wine (sorry, no white today) which ran out after one trip down the
cabin.  Passengers wanting seconds had to settle for beer.

One cabin attendant serves everybody and the ones I've encountered
were uniformly friendly and talkative.  If you *want* to chat with the
attandant, get seated up frpomnt where the attendant sits in a
backward-facing jump seat.

But ---- your original premise was that flying BEX would match the
Metroliner.  I wonder how that can be: from Philadelphia to Penn
Station in NYC can't be more than .. what, an hour?  Starting at PHL
airport you'd be 45 minutes in the air, some time walking/bussing to
and from the aircraft, and maybe an our or more from JFK to midtown.
Even if you got the Metroliner in Wilmington --- whatever.
Paraphrasing an airline ads ... 'some people just love to fly.'
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Transfers from JFK
Keywords: transfer,jfk 
Organization: my opinions only
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:59:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.232933.21710@udel.edu>
wheeler@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Aaron Wheeler) writes:

>Now, can anyone provide recommendations on getting from Kennedy to
>Midtown?
>
>I have looked at two options.  The Carey express coach runs quite
>frequently and looks like a good bet.  The JFK Express train is
>another possibility.

Not any more.  The JFK Express stopped running a while ago :-(.

>One problem with the train: everyone at the Port Authority gives me
>a different story.  One says that I take the free shuttle from JFK
>to Howard Beach Station, then I take the "A" train to midtown.  Another
>says the train loops through JFK into Midtown.  What is the true story?
>Also, what is the fare for the trip?

The train doesn't go into JFK (well, the Howard Beach station is at
the _far_ end of the remotest parking log; you take a bus to get
there.)  I don't know how much the trip costs; if the shuttle is free,
the train is the regular cost.  It also takes forever (the A stops
every few blocks).  Also, depending on the time, it fills with regular
passengers.  There are also probably a lot of stairs at the midtown
end; not exactly what you want with luggage.

Depending on where in midtown you're going, you're probably better off
with the Carey bus.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: sb@duke.cs.duke.edu (Subhrajit Bhattacharya)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Flying TARUM (Rumanian Airlines)
Keywords: tarum, experiences
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:17:19 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

I am planning on flying Tarum Airlines (the official Rumanian
Airlines) to India. They offer the cheapest fare. However I am
hearing scary stories about their planes. Has anybody had any
experience with this airline ? 

I am ready to bear some hardship, but I would be scared to use 
an airline if somebody tells me they have higher than
average accident rate. Any facts will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Subro

ps also, if anyone has adresses of agents who are offering tix to
   calcutta from newyork for around $1000, do send me their number.-- 
Subhrajit Bhattacharya
Department of Computer Science              Internet: sb@cs.duke.edu
Duke University				    UUCP:     mcnc!duke!sb
Durham, NC 27706
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: address for Delta
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:18:24
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: lindy@olsen.ch's message of Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:10:16 GMT

On Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:10:16 GMT, lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster) said:
> I have a complaint I'd like to make to Delta Airlines, but I have no idea
> _exactly_ who to write to.  Does anyone have an address?  Or maybe the
> name of the president?  Thanks,


Call their 800-number and ask for the address of the Consumer Relations
Department.  Or ask any customer service agent at the airport.

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From: debeijer@cs.ucsd.edu (Richard de Beijer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: How does the coupon/voucher system work?
Keywords: coupon, voucher, MasterCard, Thomas Cook
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:09:58 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


Can anybody explain me the system of vouchers and
coupons to save money on your airline ticket? This might be a silly
question for American citizens, but I can assure you that it is pretty
hard to find your way through the jungle of airlines in the USA being a
visting scholar from the Netherlands.

How do you get them (e.g. sometimes you see people
offering them in newspaperadvertisements: is it worth anything?),
how do you use them.

Furthermore, does anybody know whether you can get discount on your
ticket when your holding a MasterCard (do they have a kind of
"program" with vouchers/coupons?). And what about Thomas Cook
(I am having some traveller cheques of them).


Please reply to this newsgroup or send e-mail to one of my accounts
written down below (prefer the use of the USA e-mail address). 


Richard de Beijer
Computer Science & Engineering dept.
University of California, San Diego
9500 Gilman Drive
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114
U.S.A.

e-mail: debeijer@cs.ucsd.edu (USA)
        richardb@cs.kun.nl (The Netherlands)
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From: weiss@angis.su.oz.au (Tony Weiss)
Subject: Consolidator from Australia
Reply-To: weiss@angis.su.oz.au ()
Organization: ANGIS, The University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:24:13 GMT

Does anyone know of a consolidator in Australia, or who can provide tickets
to Australian customers?

Thanks

Tony Weiss
weiss@angis.su.oz.au
Dept Biochemistry  G08
University of Sydney
NSW  2006
Australia

"usual disclaimers apply"
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 18:34:30 CET
From: <KCHAN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airline Antitrust suit (info requested)

In article <1992Sep10.032818.13215@gossip.urich.edu>, helen@nomad.urich.edu
(Helen C. O'Boyle) says:
>
>I heard this exists, but I don't have any info on it (like what
>qualifies, how much one can get, where one files the claim, etc.).
>Could someone who has it online email it over here?
>
Most of the info that you are after is contained in one of the sections
of the "How to get cheap air tickets" FAQ.


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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: seating prefs
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:40:42 GMT

nancy@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Nancy Feagans) wrote: 
->I watched an interesting program recently regarding how to survive a
->plane crash.

there are so many of these shows (and books offering similar advice)
that i would not put too much stock in them ... some of them offer
practical advice (like the advice offered earlier about counting the
seat backs) ...  but it all requires a huge grain of salt.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: mezger@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Kai Martin Mezger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: What is a "consolidator" ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:43:34 GMT
Organization: Informatik, Univ. Stuttgart. W.Germany



CONSOLIDATOR (see also FAQ posting) - most hated ( and for some even
most important) partner of airlines. Company which holds a "ticket
stock" of respective airline (by contract) and sells tickets at
ridiculously low prices and hangs up the phone if you ask for a
"pizarre" routing. Like your local gas station: tickets & GO. The
consolidators accounts for "street prices" which used to be called
"gray market". Travel agents buy tickets from their consolidator and
earn a few bucks (no real commission or even "override").
Consolidators are a mostly a sign of a highly regulated market
(Europe) or weak airlines (US).

Martin
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From: haneins@acf3.nyu.edu (shirley hanein)
Subject: travel to israel
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:17:31 GMT

if i wanted to fly to israel in, let's say, february and i wanted
to get the cheapest ticket possible. how far in advance would i have
to reserve? and, what is the cheapest possible fare? how could i find
this out?

thanks,
shirley
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: dickerso@fester.dell.com (Russell Dickerson - X2787)
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly ***Please Read***
Reply-To: dickerso@cpat.stortek.com
Organization: IO SpecialistsConsulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:17:15 GMT

I can only say that you are the unluckiest flier I've ever met.  I fly 
Continental  several times a month from DEN->IAH->EFD EFD->IAH->DEN and
have never experienced a problem other than weather/ATC.  Even when I
had a problem they worked to fix it.

Its not their fault that some moron in LA is shooting at planes with a deer
rifle during the riots but it made me late all the same :).

PS - They've never lost my luggage.

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From: scarton@cluster.chem.yale.edu (M. Georgina Scarton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Tokyo (Narita Airport) to Kyoto
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:47:45 GMT
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I believe that the Shinkansen for Kyoto leaves out of Tokyo Station. 
There is a train which leaves from Narita Airport called the Narita 
Express - it goes to Tokyo Station. You need to get a seat reservation
on the Narita Express, but I don't know that phone number. Instead I
have the phone number for JR East Infoline - the company that runs
Narita Express - it is an English speaking phone line that will givew
you all sorts of information about timetables and connections etc.
Their number is (03) 3423-0111 (so from U.S.: 011-81-3-3423-0111), and
they're open 10am-6pm M-F (Tokyo is 13hrs ahead of Eastern time zone)
Hope this helps

Gina Scarton
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Flying a dog from Japan to USA.  Comments?
Keywords: Dog, flying, how-to
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:28:55 GMT

philip@simserver1com (Philip Peake) wrote: 
->We just did this, it wans't quite as difficult as Henry suggests,
->but his suggestion to verify what documents will be needed is
->quite valid (the US consulate in Japan should be able to tell you).

i didn't suggest it was difficult; i did suggest there were lots of
details to get right ... 

->We moved one dog, and four cats from France to Portland OR.

good information to have ... but remember that the requirements for
import of live animals vary by the country of export ... 

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