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From: sweide@uceng.UC.EDU (Steve Weide)
Subject: Vampire advise
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:44:28 GMT

  I was wondering if anyone could point me toward some Vampire material
(books or movies) where the Vampire is the main character.  Not trash like
the movie To Die For but something thought provoking. 
                                     Thanks, 
                                   Steve
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling)
Subject: Re: Barker and sex
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:37:52 GMT

In article <171e5dINN2eo@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:
>
>> Ummm ... you're saying that he's trying to make you feel creepy about
>> your own body and he's trying to draw a connection between sex and
>> violence? OF COURSE he is!  HE'S A _HORROR_ WRITER!  Geez!  Get a
>> grip on the genre.
>
>I've read plenty of horror writers who don't go for this particular tack.

Oh, for crying out loud ... since when did all authors have to write the
same?  So, some write this way, some don't!  That doesn't make it any
less valid!  Quite a lot of his stories have nothing to do with sex.  Go
read those, if you don't like the others, or go read some other author.
But I think you're going to have a hard time finding one that doesn't use
any sort of sex in their work.  I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable,
but sex and horror have been closely linked for a long, long time.   

>I'm just saying it doesn't fly for me.  It seems like he's drawing on his
>OWN hangups, more than the roots of any real fears most people have.  I
>guess you can say it's a nice try, though.

Ummmm ... most authors draw on their own experiences, observations, dreams
and fears in their work ... it's how they make it seem so real in their
books.  You wouldn't want a guy who'd been living in the city all his life
to try to write a story based in a small rural town, without ever even
going to visit a rural town, would you?  The story would be flat and 2-
dimensional, and chock-full of stereotypes.  I think that in some way you
have to experience something before you can write about it.  Personally,
I have a rampaging phobia of airplanes.  I'll bet you I could write one
hell of a convincing airline disaster story.  ;^)  Anyway ...

- the Cypherkat

 -------------* Cypherkat * (ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com) *---------------
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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Some other authors
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:12:46 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

>>>10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR) wrote:
>>>> Graeme Masterton [. . .]
>>>> 		I found NIGHT WARRIORS and the sequal to this very original 
>>>> 	and entertaining, [. . .]

I wrote:
>>>     I found NIGHT WARRIORS to be misogynistic trash.

sjm1@eng.cam.ac.uk (Stephen Mounsey) wrote:
>>Couldn't agree more. Though I disliked it so much I gave up reading it

10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR) writes:
> It must be because I am a mere lad-of-an-engineering-student that I found 
> this "puerile drivel, adolescent wish fulfilment" so entertaining.

     That can't be it.  I read it when I was a "mere lad-of-an-
engineering-student."  Must be some other reason we disagree.

> You see, 
> I read books to *be entertained*. I know that is hard for some people to 
> believe, but its true. I don't spend my time analysing the presence of token 
> female characters, or attempting to define the authors motives for this or 
> that scene, or any of that shit. I'll leave that for you people who
> "obviously" know what you are talking about. Unless a book is a no-action 
> piece of crap or a heard-it-all-before slog I will invariably like it and 
> consequently recommend it. If this doesn't work for you then that is hardly 
> my problem. Try to use your imagination, huh.

     Cheap shot, and a pathetic attempt at a flame.  I read to be
entertained also.  There's a lot of stuff I've read just because it
was there, and a lot of the time I read a book through just because I
started reading it.  That was the case with Masterton's NIGHT
WARRIORS.

     To quote you, "I don't spend my time analysing the presence
of token female characters, etc."  It's difficult to miss it in that
book, however.  Masterton applies the mysoginism with a club. 
Combined with the lameness with which he approaches his premise, it made
the book completely unenjoyable FOR ME.  I really don't care if you
liked it or not.
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | "Well!  Peanut butter! . . . or so it seems."
Email is life!   | --Calvin 
Utah State University doesn't care what I put here . . . I hope.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: Which Version of The Stand Should I Read
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:32:31 GMT

In article <12591@operator>, oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes...

} Can someone please recommend which version of _The Stand_ is best?
} Does the longer version add much more to the story or does it detract
} from it? Thanks...

Contrary to popular opinion, I would say try the original version first.
If you like it, you'll probably want to re-read it, and so then you can
read the longer version.

If you *don't* like the shorter version, you probably wouldn't have liked
the longer version either, and you'll have saved reading time.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:20:40 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

kuehnel@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans Kuehnel) writes:

> Hello everybody, 
> 
> please excuse my ingnorance, but: What is the name of the novel/tale
> behind the Frankenstein movies? And is there a true story behind this
> novel? Where did the real Frankenstein live, where did he die?
> Was he german? What was his profession?
> Any help is appreciated (mail it to kuehnel@physik.tu-muenchen.de) 
> I'll summarize answers to the list 
>  
> Regards, 
>  
> --Hans (K"uhnel, +49-89-3209-3766) 

The Frankenstien movies are loosely based on The novel; Frankenstien, 
which was written in 1816 by the then 18 year old Mary Wollstonecraft 
Shelley. Two movies have been made about the famous circumstances 
sorrounding the conception of the book, which is considered by many to be 
the first Science Fiction novel ever written.The movies are available in 
the U.S. on video, and are "Haunted Summer"(highly recommended) and 
"Gothic"(directed by Ken Russell)..You might also read "In Search of 
Frankenstien" by Radu Florescu, which delves into the whole story..There 
is also a bit in the film "In Search of Dracula" about Mary Shelley and 
the Haunted Summer which she spent with Lord Byron, John Polidori, and 
Percy Shelley..
There is a Castle Frankenstien in Germany, which it is assumed afforded 
Mary with the name of her Doctor, and a member or members of the family 
may have had an interest in Alchemy..But the story is mainly one of the 
imagination, and is historically linked to revolution, atheism, 
industrialization, the spread of scientific thought and practice, and 
other serious changes and issues of Mary'd day..

__________________________________________________________________________
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   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us ]
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Poe Vs. King Was (Re: The Stand) 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:25:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.185534.9627@ra.oc.com> frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
>I can't say much about Lovecraft because I have never read him, but Poe is
>one of the worst writers I have ever had to read. Every one of his works
>are really boring. Steven King is much,much,much better than Poe IMO and The
>Stand is one of the best books I have ever read. I don't understand this
>fascination with Poe because if he was really any good they wouldn't make
>you read him in school. The only author I have ever had to read in school
>that was any good is Twain.   
>
>Jeff Frazier (frazier@elf.etsu.edu)

Ha.  Hmm...ha...hurm...Bwahahahaha!

Sorry, I had to get that out...
If you only knew how arbitrarily your teachers decide what is taught 
in English in high school.  My mother is a teacher in a public school,
and my brother teaches English at a private one, so I kinda know.  Most
high schools avoid "troublesome" authors like Poe and others, since 
the language gets in the way, and so much of their lifestyles can be read
into their works.  Poe was an alcoholic manic depressive petrified of 
being buried alive.  It showed in his works.  However, he is the basis
for most modern horror.  Despised by his peers, we see reflections 
of his works in every major horror novelist, including Lovecraft, and
ESPECIALLY King.  Don't get me wrong.  I love King.  But to truly 
appreciate King's innovations, you must read what he's taken from Poe.
That's where you do a disservice by not reading Poe.
	In my opinion, the most terrifying work of Poe is "The Cask of
Amantillado."  I had to do a paper on it last year (8 pages on a three 
page work...sheesh).  I had read it a hundred times before, but this time,
it was 4 am, I was starved for sleep, and I began NOTICING the words.
	I hit the last exchange:

	"FOR THE LOVE OF _GOD_, MONTRESOR!"
	"Yes...for the love of God..."

After that, I lost the urge to sleep.
-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Everything But Love tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Oh God, does this mean we have to fight?"
			-Selina Kyle, _Batman_ 
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: Val Lewton horror movies
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:25:45 GMT

In article <cass8806.185@elan.glassboro.edu>, cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes...

} The Body Snatcher -- is that based on the Robert Louis Stevenson short story?

Yes.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: zornow@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Claudia Zornow)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:15:12 GMT
Subject: Re: The Stand on ABC
Organization: HP SSD R & D
Newsgroups: alt.horror

> Mike, I think the new, uncut version of The Stand simply adds to the story. 
> As far as I know in the new release there was nothing cut.  

There were some puzzling (to me) minor changes.  For example,
a Milky Way bar in one version became a Snickers in the other
version.

> ... King also adds 
> one of the craziest characters (Next to perhaps Annie Wilkes) I've ever 
> read from him.  Unfortunately, I can't recall the name of the character but 
> he's a nut case and I was amazed when I read it that King's editor(s) cut 
> him from the original version.  

The Kid.

Claudia
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Subject: Re: F.Paul Wilson
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.202714.7591@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) writes...
>In article <1992Aug11.105733.13878@newshub.sdsu.edu> melissa@voyager4.sdsu.edu (Melissa ) writes:
>>
>>(Please send mail to mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu, not melissa)
>>Hey, this is Mike again.
>>	I was just wondering if there are any Wilson fans
>>out there.
>>	I guess my favorite is "The Keep", since that was
>>my first introduction to his works. Actually, I saw the 
>>Michael Mann movie version first, then read the book. I
>>thought that the movie was just a little too "abrupt".
>>But the Tangerine Dream soundtrack more than made up for
>>any weaknessses in the screenplay. It is really too bad that
>>that soundtrack was not released, as I would love to have it.
>>	Oh, and lets not forget "The Touch", or "The Tomb".
>>Among his others, these are _my personal favorites_.
>>				
> 
>Yep, same here.  But, I was very dissapointed with _Reborn_.
>Luckily, he redeemed himself with _Reprisal_.
> 
> 
>--
>McCreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com     Computers are like Old Testament gods;
>Me? Speak for Compaq?  Yeah, right.   lots of rules and no mercy.
>"By this time my lungs were aching for air..."               Joseph Campbell

I think he is very good. "The Touch" is very,very good. Also read 
"The Tomb". He has some stuff that isn't horror but I haven't read it

Tim Sebesta
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:23:37 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <kuehnel.713696426@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, kuehnel@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans Kuehnel) writes:
> Hello everybody, 
> 
> please excuse my ingnorance, but: What is the name of the novel/tale
> behind the Frankenstein movies? And is there a true story behind this
> novel? Where did the real Frankenstein live, where did he die?
> Was he german? What was his profession?
> Any help is appreciated (mail it to kuehnel@physik.tu-muenchen.de) 
> I'll summarize answers to the list 
>  
> Regards, 
>  
> --Hans (K"uhnel, +49-89-3209-3766) 


The original Frankenstein (yes, that was the name of the novel) was written 
by Mary Shelley.  She established herself as one of the first significant 
female gothic writers of the 19th century with it.  The fiction behind the 
fiction, as it were, is stuff of fable.  There was no Dr. Frankenstein (as 
far as anyone knows, of course), but many people who have studied feminist 
literature have several theories about the origin of the story.  Mary 
Shelley's brother was Percy Shelley--a somewhat famous poet of the time.  
His best friend (and later, Mary's husband--I think) was Lord Byron, also 
another famous and popular poet of the time.  Mary's mother was Mary 
Wollstonecraft, also a famous feminist and writer far ahead of her time.  
Anyway, with a family of famous and artistic geniouses around her, Mary 
felt somewhat overshadowed and did not ever attempt to write anything of 
significance before this story.

During a particualrly bleak, stormy week when they couldn't venture out of 
doors, Percy, Byron and Mary began to tell eachother ghost stories.  On 
night Mary had "a dream" which led her to write Frankenstein.  Some 
feminist theories suggest that the story is about the havoc one wreaks when 
one messes with nature.  Dr. Frankenstein attempts to thwart nature by 
being the first man to "give birth."  What he creates is not physically 
glorious as he imagined it would be and he therefore shuns it.  This is 
actually quite different from the Hollywood films which came after.  Mary 
Shelley had herself lost an infant child and experienced a great deal of 
physical and emotional strain during that time.  Many theorists believe 
that Frankenstein is Shelley's need to examine the trauma of birth and 
creation, but could only do it through a man's voice because it was the 
only voice that a larger audience would listen to during the 19th century.

Andrea @ BVC
From: cjd@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The dark half
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:24:21 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <wB2aPB4w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us> ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:
>
>     From at I heard, George Romero directing the Dark Half was supposed to
>make it a slam-bang film.. With an actor like Timothy Hutton in the lead, I
>don't see how it CAN go straight to video unless Romero totally ruined the
>film.
>
>
>email phluuke@maria.wustl.edu
>
>--
>ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
>The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK -- +1 405 325 9607

It's not whether Romero ruined it or not. The problem is the film is an Orion
picture and they went bankrupt thus putting The Dark Half in temporary limbo.

Kevin
From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Which Version of The Stand Should I Read
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:16:07 GMT
Organization: Cosmic Monsters Inc.

Hello,

Can someone please recommend which version of _The Stand_ is best?
Does the longer version add much more to the story or does it detract
from it? Thanks...

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From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: answers to laurel
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:57:43 GMT

To answer your questions:
(somehow I can't get this done with the "Reference"-function; I don't know
why; it just doesn't work)
1. most definitly read Tabitha King's "The Trap". It's a very "female"
horror story  about a woman and her kid caught in a very King-like
scenario (house in a remote recreation resort in ... yeah, you guessed
it, ... MAINE|, end of the season, nobody else around, except some
local guys, whose pasttimes include rape and torture (and no
Beethoven...)) I like the view of the book ... it's really written
from a woman's point of view (my girlfriend wasn't able to finish it)
Interesting: Tabitha seems to have the same opinion on sex as her
husband: don't do it,it only leads to trouble ... (and seat wetting ...)
                    (Rocky Horror Show)

2. "American Psycho" (Bret Easton Ellis): Now this is definitly a sick
book. The story is about a NYC yuppie, whose interests are a. expensive
clothing b. violence. The first 100 pages are a mere description
of his way of life: lunch with X, dinner with Y, who wore what etc.,
very good in the depiction of a person unable to build up relationships
to anybody, he is defining himself only through the things he owns. After
these 100 pages the book changes: his normal day-by-day activities
(lunch, dinner, buying silk ties ...) are intercut with his night
activities (picking up prostitutes and, after some "normal sex", torturing
them to death). The scenes of violence are very explicit and written
in an enormous, breath-taking pace; the whole book is written in
first person singular, so there is no way out, he pulls you really
INTO the story. The most disturbing thing about the book is that, after
a scene of extreme detailed violence, he goes on writing about a lunch with
a friend or a 3-page appraisal of Genesis' latest LP. Particularly disturbing,
when you KNOW people, whose only interests seem to be Versace jackets,
Boss suits and Zegna ties ...
I read somewhere, that Ellis got a big advance from his publisher, but then
the publication was cancelled, after some outtakes where published in a
magazine and there were huge protests (especially from women's lib)
against the book, so the book was published by an other publisher.
When it came out in Europe, there was a mild scandal, perhaps caused
by the fact, that Ellis was known as a main-stream author of yuppie-
novels, and now he put out that book ...
Read it. Very irritating. I read it twice, and I still don't know
whether it's good or not.

3. "Red Dragon" (Harris). Read it. A wonderful characterization of
the serial killer from next door. This book was made into a nice,
though less known movie, called "Bloodmoon" (I don't know how the
real title is, this is just the re-translation of the german title)
So when you come across it, watch it; it's very faithful to the book
and the camera-work is excellent.

4. What about the "Lawnmower Man"?

     - Oliver

"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: Re: Barker...Which one?
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:15:48 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Barker...Which one?
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:52:16 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu

Okay.  After lurking on alt.horror for some time and seeing
post after post about Clive Barker, i figure he must be worth
reading.  The question is which one of Barker's books should
i read to get a feel for him?  I used to be a big King reader
but gave up after _Cujo_ (tho' i did read _Pet Sematary_ and
wasn't reall impressed).

So, who wants to point me in the right direction?
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway

The best should be if you start with his short-stories-collection
"The Books of Blood". There are six of them, the first 3 are IMO
amongst the best stuff that has ever been written. For the beginning,
stay away from the novels. They are sometimes a little bit hard to
read. And be prepared, that Barker's work is a lot harder than King ...
I wish you nice, sleepless nights ...

   - Oliver

"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:41:15 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Aug18.203040.9869@mdd.comm.mot.com>, ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.185534.9627@ra.oc.com> frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
>>I can't say much about Lovecraft because I have never read him, but Poe is
>>one of the worst writers I have ever had to read. Every one of his works
>>are really boring. Steven King is much,much,much better than Poe IMO and The
>>Stand is one of the best books I have ever read. I don't understand this
>>fascination with Poe because if he was really any good they wouldn't make
>>you read him in school. The only author I have ever had to read in school
>>that was any good is Twain.   
>>
> Ever notice that sometimes, somebody comes along that you can't help
> feeling sorry for?  I can't decide whether this guy's for real, or
> whether he's just trying to be flame-bait, but either way, I hereby call
> for a rousing round of pity for this poor heathen.
> 
> "Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww".
> 
> He's obviously never read "Anabel Lee" (sp?) or "The Fall of the House
> Of Usher".  Brrrrrrrrr...... these have stuck in my mind for years as
> being some of the creepier things I've ever read.  I have to say that,
> when reading his works, I never knew what was going to happen next.  I
> only wish I could say the same for some of King's books (no, this is 
> not a King flame ... I'm just a little bit upset at the fact that I
> just finished _The Running Man_ and I knew how it was going to end the
> moment he got on the plane ... *sigh*).  
> 
> Anyway, I'd better turn off my torch and get back to work ... ;^)
> 
> - the Cypherkat
> 
>  - - - - - - -* Cypherkat * (ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com) *- - - - - - - -
>  *     -->  I'll just stay right here, Sparcless but happy.  <--     *   
>  * DISCLAIMER:  If Motorola and I shared the same opinions, they'd   *
>  *   be bankrupt, but at least they'd have a killer stereo system!   *
>  
I'm forced to wonder if Poe-hater, Jeff, isn't the victim of leaving his 
machine on and somebody writing from his account.  I guess I'm with 
Cypherkat on this one.

Andrea @ BVC
>  
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