HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zrfp0406@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Joerg Hertzer)
Subject: Re: inet sites in poland?
Organization: Comp. Cent. University of Stuttgart (RUS), FRG
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:39:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.104946.26582@wariat.org> zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) writes:
>As quoted from <1992Aug13.1669.2310@execnet> by "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>:
>
>> Are there any universities in Poland connected to Internet?
>> 
>> I have mostly seen messages from "Polonia" here.
>> 
>> I am particularly interested in contacting the Merchant Marine
>> academies at Gdynia, and Szcecin by email.
>> 
>
>I am exchanging e-mail messages with my friends at Gdansk University.
>and as far as i can read headers, they are on Internet.....
There are about 10 Polish Universities on Internet now, and even more on BITNET.
But as far as I know till today no one supports netnews, may be because of the
relative small network bandwith there.
But from a visit at CYFRONET Krakow (Central Computer Center for Universities
in Krakow) in July I know that they are prepareing support of netnews.

For more informations you may whish to read the latest issue of PIGULKI.
See from Number 11 how to get it:

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   issue.

   PIGULKI's editors are grateful to Maciek Kozlowski of the Nicolaus
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I hope that helps!

Network situation in Poland is MUCH better than most people believe!

Joerg

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.iranian,misc.education,soc.culture.nepal
From: sanjay@media.mit.edu (Sanjay Manandhar)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY OF OLD PAGAN CULTS
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:21:46 GMT

Why so much barrage about all the religious stuff?

Why in the newsgroups:
soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.iranian,
misc.education,soc.culture.nepal, I wonder.What do they have in
common? There are separate newsgroups for religion, right?

I'm sure any religious philosophy would say "Don't waste just because
it's there. Not even if it's network bandwidth."

-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
Sanjay Manandhar  MIT Media Laboratory       sanjay@media-lab.media.mit.edu
                  Siemens-Nixdorf Info Systems          sanjaym@sni-usa.com
                  Cambridge, Massachusetts. USA              (617) 349-5047
From: lbs@madeira.phys.ufl.edu (Lech Borkowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:36:02 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department - CMT Group

In article <1992Sep4.130418.1316@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:

>Anyway, in Martin Gilbert's book Holocaust, he describes
>the Warsaw uprising by the Poles against the Germans.  About
>1000 Jews who were hiding in Aryan Warsaw came out of hiding
>to fight side by side with their countrymen.  About 500 died.
>250 of these were executed by the Polish resistance, not the
>Germans.
>		Seth Rosenthal

 Please post more details (it will make it easier to verify):
when did it take place, where in Warsaw, who did it 
(the name of the unit), by what method, etc. Please post as
much information about it as possible. I would like to know more.

 Lech Borkowski


Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Jaroselsky
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:42:02 GMT

Excuse my ignorance, but who is this guy that was recently 
assasinated in Poland? Is it General Jaroselsky, the one that used
to rule the country (or be the head of the Party, whatever)?

-Danny.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.jewish
From: michal@vsnmc2.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Summary: No more about Shoah
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:06:04 GMT

Radu Eugen Edelstein writes:

>I say:
>Watch the movie Shoah (you should be able to find it at a nearby video
>store).  Watch and listen to the descriptions Poles themselves gives
>about what they did when given the chance to collaborate with the
>Nazis.  More than that, listen to the terms they use when they talk
>about their Jewish neighbours, their own Polish co-citizens.  See
>what greed and years of antisemitism induced by the Catholic Church
>created out of them.

It happens that I have seen Shoah.  For what I remember, original
speeches were in Polish and there was a woman who translated it
into French for the producer.  Despite of my limited knowledge of
French it wasn't hard to me to notice that the translation was
bad and manipulative.  I can dig out from my head two examples
(of course quotations are not precise).

1) In front of a church one man says: "There is a theory that Jews
should be persecuted forever because they have crucified Jesus.
I don't accept this theory."  He repeated the second sentence twice,
however, the translator simply refused to translate it at all,
being satisfied just after the first sentence.

2) Question to an old peasant: "Did your family feel sorry seeing the
extermination of Jews during WWII?"  Answer: "It is true we didn't
like them.  Had they some day gone to Israel, we would be happy.
But just killing them like that - of course we felt sorry."
The translator exposed only the first two sentences, skipping
through the last one.

Of course, if you act like this, you can always get whatever you
want.  But remember, what you do is only a provocative lie,
NOTHING MORE.  For the above I don't want to hear any more
statements based on Shoah.

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My opinions are my opinions. Quite predictable.
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Michal~ Szleper                          "All you need is love, love,
(michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch)                   Love is all you need..."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.jewish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:31:31 GMT

azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski) writes:
#
#Ok., I have a question. This is of pure curiosity. 
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and certainly doesn't have anything to do with shifting the discussion
(which, by the way, has been dragging on too long anyway).

#Would you please write a few sentences
#about what has been going on during the last few decades in Israel ? I am
#particularily interested in Jews - Arabs mutual relations. Is this true
#for example, that you keep Palestinians in closed camps, and you destroy
#some of them (camps) from time to time ? For fun ? 

No, it is not true, it is a pile of rubbish. Palestinians live
mostly in cities and villages, and are in better conditions than
Palestinians in Jordan. It is true that some of them live in
refugee camps; however, this is not Israel's fault, but
the fault of Jordan and Egypt (which ruled these territories
up to 1967). You see, the Arab world had enough money to put
all these people in five star hotels, but they didn't give a 
damn about them, on the contrary: it was an intentional policy
to keep them as an open sore on Israel's border, while spending
all that money buying weapons to prepare for that great day
in which, quoting their own words, they will "tear out the hearts
of the hated Jews and trample them in the dust" and/or "throw
the Jews into the sea". 

Ah, forget it... I am not going to go into a history lesson, do
some serious reading before you post such nonsense. As for
"destroying some of the camps for fun", it is complete insanity
which I challange you to give one example of; nothing of the
sort happens. 

Finally, why do you bring this up? Are you trying to throw a smoke
screen? Do you think there is any analogy between the Jews in
pre-war Poland and the Palestinians in today's Israel? Are you
suggesting that some inherent evil which allegedly manifests itself
in Jews today was the cause of European - especially east-European -
hatered and persecution of Jews before and during WW2?


-Danny Keren.





Xref: sparky soc.culture.polish:2432 soc.culture.jewish:15517
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:23:53 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.polish
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Sep8.023359.27312@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski) writes, hopefully sincere :

>Ok., I have a question. This is of pure curiosity. 
>You are so fiercely criticizing the way that you believe Poles
>were behaving during the IIWW. Would you please write a few sentences
>about what has been going on during the last few decades in Israel ? I am
>particularily interested in Jews - Arabs mutual relations. Is this true
>for example, that you keep Palestinians in closed camps, and you destroy
>some of them (camps) from time to time ? For fun ? or maybe there are
>some other important reasons that I am not aware of ? You know, I am
>very far from these problems, perhaps I do not understand them correctly,
>and I would appreciate if you, by the way, say something on s.c.p on this 
>issue too.  

I will leave to readers from Israel to respond to the "charges",
but these questions may give us a minute of reflection, how far from
reality can be our opinion on the matters, we don't have first
or at least second-hand expirience, despite all innovations in
our apartments : from CNN to e-mail. 

p.s. Please, don't flame immmediately, wait A MINUTE (-:[

p.p.s. Maybe some real smple FAQ can be developed for those interested
(not all these things, which will, I'm sure appear be-mehira be-yameinu
in the s.c.j FAQ - about Qadish in Sephardic/Ashkenasic shuls ) -
not only s.c.polish, s.c.russian needs it, I meet there sometimes,
charges against judaism or jews or Israel are made not as anti-semitic
propoganda, but just as part of common knowledge for the readers.
I guess such a FAQ can be a common denominator for most groups 
represenrted here.

Simon.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski)
Subject: Re: The camps were GERMAN camps, not Polish
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:36:27 GMT

>>azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski) writes:
>>|> (...) Germans (...) 
>>|> were Nazis, they are Nazis (have a look
>>|> at what is going on in GDR) and they will remain Nazis. 

Ok., a correction: 
Not all of Germans are Nazis now, and hopefully even those who are will not
remain Nazis in the future.

Andrzej Zaleski

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Subject: info on wariat.org ( Akademia Pana Kleksa )...
Keywords: bbs
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 10:11:48 GMT


W czasie wakacji otrzymalem kilka listow z zapytaniem co to 
jest wariat.org, lub co to jest Akademia Pana Kleksa ( APK). 
Niestety, wczoraj jeden z moich dyskow doznal lekkiego udaru, 
i przeniosl w zaswiaty cala moja poczte.... tak ze jezeli 
oczekujesz odpowiedzi ode mnie na list wyslany po 08.10,
to przepraszam, ale odpowiedzi nie bedzie (i tak szlag 
trafil cala poczte z okresu kiedy bylem na wakacjach). 

Dlatego w skrocie: 

Akademia Pana Kleksa - BBS w Cleveland, OH. Prowadze go na pececie, 
uzywajac UNIX - Interactive 3.0. Zapewniamy pelny dostep do shell-u, 
e-mail, calkiem sysmpatyczna kolekcje zbiorow. Zamierzamy byc podlaczeni
bezposrednio do Internetu w tym roku.... - najlepiej co pewien czas
ping wariat.org 

wariat.org - zarejestrowana w NIC nazwa, uzywana do obslugi maszyn 
dla ktorych wariat jest bramka/feedem/ zapewniajacym dostep do 
e-mail i newsow... 

Ponadto, sluzymy jako e-mail server dla Amerisoft, firmy zajmujacej sie 
zatrudnianiem informatykow z Europy Wschodniej w USA ( e-mail adres:
amerisoft@wariat.org ).

Zaintereoswanych dodatkowymi informacjiami, lub osoby ktorych poczta 
prosze o bezposredni kontakt...


_zjt
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IBM PC SIG Sysop - Cleveland Free-Net    aa609@cleveland.freenet.edu
Akademia Pana Kleksa   Public Access UNI* Cleveland,  (216)-481-9445
E-mail, news feeds, shell accounts        UnixBBS distribution point 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Subject: Re: Polish complicity - Jewish complicity
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:21:20 CDT


In article <88709@netnews.upenn.edu> kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.153834.9504@walter.cray.com> aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:
>>
>>In article <88671@netnews.upenn.edu> kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz) writes:
>
>>>I was in Poland at that time, and I don't remember anyone accusing
>>>rabbi Weiss of braking the law. What kind of criminal activity was
>>>he involved in?
>>>
>>
>>I also was in Poland then. If you do not believe that it is law violation,
>                                                  ^^^^
>>try to do similiar thing in the US. And to be more credible, I would
>>suggest to invite one of Ayatollahs, and do it together, just for fun.
>
>>
>>A. Mazur
>
>But what? All I know is, he went to Auschwitz to protest against the
>presence of the nuns. He entered the nun house, got beaten up by the workers
>and went back to USA. I suppouse , he was guilty of criminal trespass?
>
>--
>
>Krzysztof Kniaz, University of Pennsylvania |Due to circumstances beyond
>Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter |your control, you're master of 
>Philadelphia, PA, 19104, USA                |your fate and captain of your soul

Where did you hear that he was beaten ? With his ability to sue
for nothing (remember that he was suing for description of his
action which was for him offensive) nobody who would beat him could 
possibly get away with it.  I read press in Poland then( including
statements made by Michnik and Kuron), workers simply took him away
after forcing the wall together with followers and demanding the
convent to be moved away, militia was called. Try to force in US wall 
in any secured place like convent together with Ayatollah anyway.
Maybe you will be successful in such a move. Rabbi Weiss was.

A. Mazur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: jjhayes@nbrwh75.bnr.ca (Jeff Hayes)
Subject: czesc: usenet site in Warszawa needed for friend
Reply-To: jjhayes@bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Public Switching, Bramalea Product Tech. S908
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:38:59 GMT

a buddy of mine is returning to Poland after living in Canada for
several years.  He would like to be able to stay in touch.  Being
the usenetter that I am i suggested we find him a Usenet site that
he could use in Poland, specifically Warszawa.

Is there anyone on the net who can help out with either a private 
UUCP mail feed from a PC or a unix acct on a usenet connected 
machine?

Please reply by mail to the undersigned.
-- 

jeff hayes                      ESN 333-3894   phone (416) 452-3894
jjhayes@bnr.ca                  Northern Telecom, Prod Tech, Bramalea Ont
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:01:36 GMT

azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski) writes:
#dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
#
##No, it is not true, it is a pile of rubbish. Palestinians live
##mostly in cities and villages, and are in better conditions than
##Palestinians in Jordan. It is true that some of them live in
##refugee camps; however, this is not Israel's fault, but
##the fault of Jordan and Egypt (which ruled these territories
##up to 1967). 
#
#No no, definitely not, I am sure that the biggest blame should be put on
#those who were ruling these territories in the XIX century, I mean British
#Empire. Or, even better on pharaons. Those who have been ruling the 
#territory for the last 25 years are Ok. I understand.

I didn't say they were perfectly OK, or that they could not have
done better. I wrote specificaly with regard to the refugee camps.
It is not Israel's fault that some of the Palestinians are still
living in them. It is the fault of the people who ruled the very same
territories, and had the money to transform them into cities.

##[Arab world] prepare[s] for that great day
##in which, quoting their own words, they will "tear out the hearts
##of the hated Jews and trample them in the dust" and/or "throw
##the Jews into the sea". 
#
#Why do they hate you so much ? Are they crazy or what ?

Frankly, old boy, I am not sure. I guess it is a deadly mixture of
religious difference and blind fanatical nationalism. Anyway, it seems
that recently logic has reached the middle east, and there are
some positive developments, which I hope will continue.

May I suggest that you post and/or ask questions on these matters
in talk.politics.mideast, where they belong and where they will reach
the people who are interested in reading and reacting about the
mid-east. This has nothing to do with s.c.p and not too much to
do with s.c.j.

-Danny Keren.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: U.S. Justice Department Moves to Revoke Citizenship of Accused Nazi Guard
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:12:53 GMT

lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
#Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:

##   WASHINGTON, Sept. 10 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Department of
##Justice announced today it has filed a complaint to revoke the
##citizenship of Anton Bless, a recent resident of Lecanto, Fla., who
##is accused of concealing his service in the SS as a Nazi
##concentration camp guard during World War II.
#
# Again those mysterious Nazis... Where did they come from?

Europe, I'd guess?

#What is wrong with saying that explicitly?

Nothing, but what is the implicit intention?

-Danny Keren.
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:51:02 GMT
Organization: liver ---> spleen

In article <18697.2ab46adc@levels.unisa.edu.au>
etad@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.122810.20724@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>Dear Sam,
>I think, what you wrote above is really, really sick.

Thank you.  I'd rather be this sick than whatever it is you display
below....

>know nothing). Unfortunately, proper documentation of statements like yours is
>essential, because it is the only way to establish some historical (at least
>factual) truth. Unless (please, think about it carefully for yourself), it is
>not the truth that you want, but noise and stench.

I see.  So until it is documented to your satisfaction, it never happened.
And at what level will you finally be satisfied?  Apparently far higher
than is ever possible.  Yours is a classic revisionist's tactic.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: lnieplo3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Jaroslaw Nieplocha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: RE: Jack Tuszynski w Polsce (czyli lustracja polskiej nauki)
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:50:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama


> A jesli chodzi o Uniwersytet Slaski, no to Maciek Uhlig mnie
> wytlumaczyl.  Ze mlodych ludzi przewaznie nie ciagnie praca w Uniwersytetcie.
> Jak moga to wyjezdzaja na zachod.  Ci ktorzy zostaja to z przyzwyczajenia.
> Przewaznie to sa profesorzy ktorzy juz latami tam pracowali i uczyli.
> To sa starsi ludzi, po 40.  Boja sie sieci ze wzgledu na to ze ich nauka
> moze byc lustrowana.  To znaczy ze moze sie stac tak ze wykombinuja ze
> to co oni robia to ktos robi na zachodzie, moze i nawet lepiej, albo
> juz bylo robione na zachodzie.  Takze sie bali ze nie beda mogli wyjechac
> na zachod na wycieczki naukowe jesli sie pokaze ze moga sie rownie dobrze
> polaczyc do sieci i wykonac dana prace.  Chyba zaplacone wycieczki na

Czlowieku skad zes ty sie urwal ?       Sugerujesz ze w Polsce pracownicy
naukowi nie czytaja literatury swiatowej ze swojej dziedziny.
Sieci to niby sie boja bo im mur chinski sie zawali i zobacza ze ziemia
jest okragla!
Moze to dla Ciebie niespodzianka, ale oni takze publikuja zagranica. 

Poza tym, coz za infantylizm ocen. A moze to literatura Science Fiction ?


Jarek Nieplocha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: lnieplo3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Jaroslaw Nieplocha)
Subject: Polskie kompleksy
Organization: The University of Alabama
 
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1992 21:35:25 GMT



Chcialbym zwrocic uwage na pogarde ktora wykazuja niektorzy dyskutanci
tej grupy do innych nizej niz my ekonomicznie postawionych narodow. 
Na przyklad, w artykule 

>Article: 3569 of soc.culture.polish
>From: jjt@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jack Tuszynski)

autor pisze:

>.... Na ile oszacowac ubezpieczenie na walizki?  Od rumunow 
>czy to ruskow przed nami nic nie wzial bagazowy.  Bo wogule nie bieze
>bagaz od romonow lub ruskow.  Nas, turystow, oszacowal na 60,000 zl.
          ^^^^^^^     ^^^^^^
>Styl nas byli Polacy.  Ich oszacowal na mniej.
               ^^^^^^

Oczywiscie, my Polacy sa obecnie wyzej cywilizowanym narodem niz "romonie"
czy "ruskow"(ie ?).

Zapewne wedlug hierarchii autora, nazwe kazdej nacji, ktora
znalazla sie w danym momencie w gorszej sytuacji ekonomicznej niz Polacy,
pisze sie z malej litery i z pogardliwym "zdrobnieniem". Naturalnie,
coz nas z aspiracjami zachodnioeuropejskimi moze obchodzic ze obywatele
tych krajow moga czuc sie obrazeni ? A moze oni nie maja uczuc wlasnych ?
My jestesmy w stanie rozpetac niemalze wojne o jeden czy drugi "POLACK JOKE"
ktory pojawil sie na sieci - w koncu obrazalo sie tu caly NAROD POLSKI !  
Szkoda ze autor nie napisal tego po angielsku w tym samym stylu. Niechby
swiat wiedzial jak sie wyrazamy o sasiadach.

Coz, zapewne autor artykulu uzywa formy i okreslen zaslyszanych,  i przez
to usankcjonowanych w jezyku polskiej ulicy. Nie nalezy go wiec za to winic. 

Jednakze warto byloby sie zastanowic zanim zaczniemy tego jezyka uzywac.
Nie tak dawno jeszcze, my Polacy bylismy (a moze i jeszcze jestesmy np. w NRD?)
tak traktowani w Europie jak teraz traktujemy Rumunow czy Rosjan, ktorzy do
Polski przyjechali dlatego ze w ich krajach zyc sie nie daje. Nie jestesmy
przez to od nich w zaden sposob lepsi. Historia kolem sie toczy: pamietam
jeszcze widok Polakow handlujacych kremem NIVEA itp. na plazy w Rumunii
w bodajze 1983 roku. Oni rowniez bali sie lokalnej policji i nie wzbudzali
wiele sympatii wsrod tuziemcow. 

To smutne ze gdy w Europie wzmacnia sie nacjonalizm i odradza faszyzm 
(czystki rasowe w Bosni, eskalacja ruchow neonazistowskich w Niemczech -
patrz np. ostatnie "Spojrzenia") w Polsce rowniez budzi sie ten
"patriotyczny" demon. Pogarda do innych "gorszych" nacji to tylko jedno z
jego obliczy.


Jarek Nieplocha