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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: concacaf Honduras-Costa Rica qualifier
Keywords: soccer game score
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.151918.2322@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa) writes:
>
>Regarding the Mexico - St. Vincent game and the comments of a previous
>posting, I have to disagree emphatically!  This guy claims St. Vincent
>was dominating the game, COME ON!, St. Vincent was playing more like
>a scrimmage game.  Mexico was clearly the best team and I have to
>admit that they came out flat, but looking at the playing field, who
>can blame them.  They were playing on a Rugby field and the surface
                                         ^^^^^
>was not leveled at all, Mexico's short passing game was all but
>eliminated by the condition of the field.

Actually, it was a cricket field, with the wicket area spread across
the centre circle, and the field sloping away in each direction from
there. Notice also that the spectator "accomodations" formed a rounded
enclosure rather than the rectangle that one would expect. 

>I'm not seeking excuses
>for the Mexican national team but what a joke, St. Vincent barely
>had any thing close to being a threat to the Mexican goalie and
>yet this guy claims that St. Vincent had the majority of the
>scoring oportunities.  Well, I guess we will see the 4-0 score
>doubled or tripled when these two teams meet in Mexico City.

Agreed, it was a desparately one-sided game, despite the false
enthusiasm of the crowd every time the ball came remotely near the
Mexican penalty area. However, we should really salute St. Vincent for
having got this far. A country with a population of 100,000 playing a
country with a population of >50m is about as romantic as the World
Cup is going to get.

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"It's never too late to hate Luton Town" -- Danny Baker
From: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The beloved get beaten
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:45:56 GMT
Reply-To: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

Let's hope all this shit about Liverpool ends now ...
Thanks Spartak. BTW, if all the Liverpool fans are like Denise (or worse),
no wonder why they have been banned from Europe after Heysel ...
From: chris@ng.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: APSL & CSL Final Tables
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:11:31 GMT
Reply-To: ngc@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: What organization?


ded States) - FINAL STANDINGS
> 
> 				 P   W  L   F  A  Pts
> Colorado Foxes		16  11  5  27 18  89
> Tampa Bay Rowdies		16  10  6  35 26  87
> San Francisco Bay Blackhawks	16   8  8  29 27  73
> Fort Lauderdale Strikers	16   7  9  26 24  61
> Miami Freedom			16   4 12  17 39  43
> 

How do they get so many points with only 16 games played? Could someone	explain
to me the point awarding systems?	

Thanks

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: yu030@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Yu Wai Leung)
Subject: Asian Cup Results
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:52:18 GMT

Japan        3      China 2 
Saudi Arabia 2      UAE   0

3rd place playoff:
China 5      UAE 4
(full time score 1-1, China win in penalties by 4-3 )

Final:
Japan 1      Saudi Arabia 0
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: rec.sport.soccer.referee?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:20:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov5.192031.21602
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1dbn1hINN70b@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.123050.3339@fel.tno.nl> leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen) writes:
>>Dear Soccerers,
>>
>>Recently there was a posting asking support for a separate
>>group for referees. Is this going to happen?
>
>Not that I know of. I wouldn't have thought there was the enough traffic
>to make such a group worthwhile.
>

Perhaps it should be alt.bastards.inblack? :-)
From: tedwards@cam.nad.northrop.com (Tony Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:22:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu






OK which league is better the Scotish Premier or the English Premier
Well since they dont play each on a regular basis, how about we compare 
the past history in Europe lets say over the last 20 years. That should give
us a real idea on who has the better overall record (Does anyone have that 
information). We could compare the number of winners each country has had
in the three major European Cups, This would give us a good overal picture.

And you can not have a real battle of Britain unless it the two winners of
the leagues right after the season is over. Because if Leeds were the best 
team in England they would be top now not 12th wouldnt they.

And if you want we could throw in the other countries to find out Europes
best league overall. 

and then maybe the bickering will stop 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen)
Subject: Re: rec.sport.soccer.referee?
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:40:23 GMT

jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:

>Perhaps it should be alt.bastards.inblack? :-)

John "Just Does Not Say Much" Kramer is very original as this
particular discussion has been made not very long ago.
Read your mail and laws of the game carefully and you will
know why refs want their own group and what other nicknames
are available.


					No regards,

					Ed.

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FEL-TNO                               |  TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
's-Gravenhage                         |  The Hague, the Netherlands
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Ed.van.Leeuwen@fel.tno.nl             |  Oops! Sorry, I am only a referee...
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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English Fitba' Crisis
Keywords: No teams in Europe
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:15:08 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

The so called "best league in the World" can't produce teams that get past
the second round of European competitions. Not one of their teams competing
last night won a game, and they were all at home. Of course Leeds Utd. were
beaten by the British Champions, who of course come from Scotland. Liverpool,
well a 2-0 defeat at home does little for Souness and Sheffield Wednesday,
well they're Gladys anyway so no excuses there. However, this so called
"Premier League" consists of very average teams, most of which would struggle
in the Scottish league.

"we're not in the habit of losing in our own midden" - Howard Wilkinson

Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton all tried but failed. We didn't!

-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
 Spider Systems Limited     
 Edinburry                               FOUR IN A ROW
 Scotland
From: goettg@sage4c.its.rpi.edu (Nazgul  (G. Goettler))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Cameroon in Italia '90
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:17:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.t=q1asa
Reply-To: goettg@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

A friend of mine needs some info on Cameroon's showing in Italian'90, namely
who eliminated them and in what round, and what was the score?  Any other
info that may be interesting pertaining to Cameroon in Italia '90 (names, 
other scores, etc) would be appreciated.  Please email, as I am really behind
in reading this group, and I need the info by this weekend.  Thanks in 
advance.
-Glenn Goettler   <goettg@rpi.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.celtic
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Swedish qualification
Date: 9 Nov 1992 05:30:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

The second leg of the qualification for next year's Allsvenskan:

Froelunda 4 IFK Luleaa 2
(Froelunda classified on 5-4 aggregate)

    Luleaa lead 2-0 at the break!!! Damned!

Oergryte - GAIS 2-0
(4-1 on agg)

Degerfors-Djurgaarden 2-0
(DIF (oops, Degerfors) qualified on away goals)

    Degerfors back in Allsvenskan after 26 years.

IFK Sundsvall-Helsingborg 1-6
(HIF wins on 9-1 aggregate)

    The team with the highest average is back in Allsvenskan after 24 years.
    (Average attendance, that is)

So, the following teams will play the 26 matches Allsvenska of 1993:
Brage IF (Borlaenge), AIK (Stockholm), IFK Norrkoeping, Oester IF (Vaexjoe),
Trelleborg FF, Malmoe FF, Helsingborg IF, Halmstad BK, IFK Goeteborg,
Oergryte IS (Goeteborg), Froelunda IF (Goeteborg), BK Haecken (Goeteborg),
Degerfors IF, Oerebro SK.

Kent
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| Kent Hedlundh             | Les Girondins pour une place Europeene en 1993! |
| Dept. of Computer Science | France and Sweden for the WC'94!                |
| University of Umea        | All the best for my friends teams!              |
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               "It's always good to talk soccer!" - Marco Petroni
From: climiepd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Delbert ( Peter Climie ))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Just laughing at England
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:30:52 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.


Ha Ha Leeds!   Gubbed!


It was great to see the English beaten. Scotland win the battle of Britain
and prove to the world to have better domestic teams.

Next year lets hope Partick Thistle get Blackburn.
-- 
           \DELBERT DELBERT DELBERT DELBERT/
              \DELBERT DELBERT DELBERT/
                   \DELBERT DELBERT/
                       \DELBERT/
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Olympic Soccer
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:30:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.094126.29693@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
<It does not have to be that way. If only eight teams were allowed to
<participate in the Olympic soccer tournament, the World Cup's status as the
<game's biggest event would remain unchanged. For example, we could bring in the
<winners and runners-up of the European Championship, the CONCACAF Gold Cup
<champions, the Copa Americana winners, the Asian Cup winners, the African Cup
<champions and let Australia/New Zealand play the African #2 team for the last
<place. The hosts would qualify automatically as before. In Barcelona, the
<list would have looked like this:
<
<-Spain
<-Denmark
<-Germany
<-Argentina
<-United States
<-Saudi Arabia
<-Ivory Coast
<-Ghana/Australia/New Zealand(/Fiji/Vanuatu(sp)...)
<
<This is, to all intents and purposes, the Intercontinental Cup - won by
<Argentina this year. If FIFA feel they can allow to have the IC, why not
<allow the game's best players to participate in the Olympics?! 


Marcus, while I like your idea in principle, I'm still concerned that
the amateur players should have their own World Championship tournament too.
This used to be the Olympics.  Perhaps I'm a little too old fashioned!  :-)


-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com
3M Health Information Systems,	Wallingford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose." - A.P.Herbert
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: About comments on Liverpool
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:38:18 RSA

In article <1992Nov3.164942.7616@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
chin@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (CHIN  LI CHOONG) writes:
 
>
>I am really appalled at the "language" used when you guys comment on Liverpool.
Its the language most Liverpool fans know. Not yourself of course.
You got a good control of the English langauge.
 
>Where does the fury come from? I really believe that there's just too much
>bickering on each other side so much so that the real intention of commenting
>constructively is lost somehow thru' anger and fury. This just doesn't work.
 
The fury comes from a weakness in character that is being quite a bit lately
by many a Liverpool fan. Its a pity !
 
>Though we are all Liverpool supporters, we should adopt a more open mind when
>we view things.
 
Hah! like asking the Americans to win in Vietnam !
 
>I would agree with Kevin now that Souness is a lousy manager,
>b'cos any sensible manager would not do what he did and get suspended for
>5 matches. It was sure different in the old days when even Kenny Dalglish was
>the manager. But I think things will turn out better in tha future after they
>realised that Souness is not really that good for Liverpool, but for the time
>our anger at some unknown souls.
 
I'll be very disappointed the day Souness goes. Liverpool may become a
force once again and that would be bad for the other teams.
From: gharpure@power.psl.ee.vt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Coaching from the sidelines
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:10:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I remember in the English FA cup final 1991, when Gazza was injured

and carried off, Venables had actually walked onto the pitch and talked

to some of his players. Wasn't that considered "coaching" ?

(Ah, yes .... it was not from the sidelines) :-)

Vasudev
From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Championship of Sao Paulo - BR
Date: 10 Nov 1992 05:59:53 -0600
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:59:57 BRA

 Championship of state of Sao Paulo , Brazil
 *******************************************
 Group 1
 -------

(Nov. 7th)
  Place - Pacaembu     Att. - 30.876
  Portuguesa     0-2   Sao Paulo
                       Cafu 17(1)
                       Toninho Cerezo 29(1)

  Place - Moises Lucarelli  Att. - 17.272
  Ponte Preta    0-1   Santos
                       Indio 35(2)

 Group 2
 -------

(Nov. 8th)
  Place - Morumbi      Att. - 78.684
  Corinthians    0-1   Palmeiras
                       Evair 32(2)

  Place - Brinco de Ouro  Att. - 10.147
  Guarani        3-0   Mogi Mirim
  Fernando 13(1)
  Edilson 41(1)
  Ailton 32(2)


Group 1
-------
Team            G    W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Sao Paulo      01   01  00  00    02-00     03 (*) Because First
Santos         01   01  00  00    01-00     02     Group A
Ponte Preta    01   00  00  01    00-01     00
Portuguesa     01   00  00  01    00-02     00

Group 2
-------
Team            G    W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Guarani        01   01  00  00    03-00     02
Palmeiras      01   01  00  00    01-00     02
Corinthians    01   00  00  01    00-01     00
Mogi Mirim     01   00  00  01    00-03     00
From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds v Rangers ... An AUSTRALIAN Prediction
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:53:10 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov1.104933.9854@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mingos@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Oct28.123751.13943@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:
>> 
>> According to my 100%-reliable crystal ball the 2nd leg score in the 'Battle
>> of Britain' will be ....
>> 
>> *drum roll*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Leeds United 3  Glasgow Rangers 1
>> 
>> Speed           McCoist 
>> Dorigo
>> Cantona
>> 
	My Advice is to get a new crystal ball(unfortunatley), The score
actually was Leeds 1 Glasgow Rangers(Hun bastards) 2

Before you say, oh heres another R.F.C. supporter, let me tell you
that I hate the Gers almost as much as I hate the English.

You were right that McCoist and Cantona would score, that was almost
predictable. Pity you couldn't alter the actual score of the game to the
above, since up here in chilly jockoland, the Huns have been on nearly every
program!!!!! Its' enough to drive a sane self-confessed Arab to suicide, please
somebody nuke Ibrox and Parkhead out of existence!!!!!

Lawerence of Arabia

>> :-) Explanation : Leeds will get full value from the 3 'foreign' players who
>> will score the goals (given England's recent scoring record it's not surprising
>> that they'll have to rely on foreigners to win it for them)
>> [YES YES I know Speed & Dorigo are 'English' in UEFA's terms but they aren't
>> really are they ?]
>> McCoist will get Rangers' only goal, goes without saying really as no-one else
>> ever seems to score for them apart from him (or John Lukic).
>> 
>> Before you write this off like an insane Denise-offering, let me warn you that
>> my prediction for the England - Norway game was ...
>> 
>> England 1  -  Norway 1
>> 
>> Platt 60'     Someone else sometime between 61' and 90'
>> 
>> Which is pretty damn close to what actually happened on the night. 
>> So I'm not entirely out of tipping form right now.
>> 
>> Anyway, I just thought you'd all like to know. You may thank me after the game.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Tim Hatfield - Administrator of the EC123 Tipping Competition
>> 		[64 competitors in 18 countries !!]
>>  
>> -- 
>> Tim Hatfield (B Sc)      _--_|\  | "Indeed in nothing is the power of the Dark 
>> EX-University of Sydney /      \ |  Lord more clearly seen than in the  
>> timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au \_.--._* |  estrangement that divides all those who 
>> ak530@po.cwru.edu             v  |  still oppose him." Haldir, Lord Of The Rings
> 
> 
> gary speed plays for wales.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: More Good news for US players overseas
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:43:55 GMT

MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:


>Unless USA'94 manages to convince bussiness America that soccer is a
>worthwhile investment, the US is going to end up where Romania, Russia or
>Bulgaria are today. There will be a good national team playing in front of
>capacity crowds while interest in domestic soccer is negligible because all the
>stars are with foreign clubs.

With the latest cup results going the way of Russia, as far as league strenght
are concerned, doesn't seem like the worst thing to do...
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - 2x Danmarksserie
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |                        finale.
       There is no such club as "AGF Aarhus"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino)
Subject: Re: WC Qualifier - Concacaf results requested
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:12:22 GMT

In article <BxIpKL.EEo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Mark Shaw <mshaw@uiuc.edu> writes:
>Does anyone know the results for the Concacaf games played on Sunday?
>The fixtures were:
>11/08/92 Canada	El Salvador
>11/08/92 Jamaica	Bermuda
>11/08/92 St Vincent	Mexico
>11/08/92 Costa Rica	Honduras
>
>Any info would be appreciated.  Am I correct with these dates and
>match-ups?  Thanks in advance.
>
>Mark
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>.
 I believe these were posted earlier:
 St vincent 1 - Mexico 4
 Costa Rica 2 - Honduras 3
 Canada 2 - El Salvador 3

 Dan
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rangers Match Report
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:35:02 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Nov12.135104.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.103834.5767@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>>  However, Rangers have no control over the individuals
>> that follow them, after all, this is democracy. However, before slagging
>> Rangers you should ask yourself why Celtic were flying the Polish and Italian
>> flags. That is something they do have control over.
> 
> Scott,
> I think that the readers of r.s.s. might appreciate an explanation from
> yourself on this point.

	Perhaps, gentlemen I can intervene with my 2 cents worth.  Isn't
it because Celtic currently have a Polish player on their books and that
25 years ago they beat an Italian team to win the European Cup.  Does this
settle the arguement ?  :)


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