HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: sys 7.01 memory problems
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:40:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.140219.20519@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> frisinge@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Greg Frisinger) writes:
>Help me please.
>
>  I have a MacIIci with 20 meg of memory.  When I select the 32 bit mode in 
>memory under the control panel, the system takes up 982k of memory.  When I 
>have the 32 bit mode off the system then takes 12,961k of memory.  Could 
>anyone explain why this happens.
>
>Thanks.......
>
>
>
All Macs require 32-bit addressing to recognize quantities of memory
higher than 8 MB. (Not all Macs support 32-bit addressing, though...) If you
have more than that and 32-bit addressing is turned off, System 7.x
compensates for this by allocating the extra memory
to the system heap (where is unreachable by applications) but doesn't
use it. If it didn't you could receive addressing errors if it tried to use
the extra memory (for an awful analogy, try putting mail into mailbox 1,253
when someone leaves the 1 off...but when you got to box 253, it's full of
mail...what do you do? if you're a Mac, you bomb.)

Hope this helps!

Jay (=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: J074870@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Lunar Rescue
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:44:03 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: alva@garnet.berkeley.edu (Alva Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Lunar Rescue
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:24:39 GMT
Organization: WSSG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tmf2mac23.berkeley.edu


I ran across a copy of an old game called 'Lunar Rescue' a friend of mine
runs on her SE running System 6.0.3 (!).  I cannot seem to get it to run on
my LC, which has System 7.0 (Tune-up).  After some tinkering with 32 bit
addressing and rebooting with 6.0.7, I still can't seem to get it to work.
My last guess is that the problem has something to do with the size of the
monitor, but I'm not sure.

Has anyone run across this game?  If so, what kind of hardware/software
configuration do you use?  Tips?

Any assistance is appreciated.


-------
Alva Johnson
U.C. Berkeley
---------------------------------------------
Try running it without multifinder.

Matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: System 7.1/Suitcase 2.1
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:27:49 GMT

In article <D2150056.iad3kk@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
>
>jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes:
>
>> alan@pacdata.com () writes:
>
>> >I recently upgraded my home Mac to system 7.1 and am now having an extreme
>> >annoyance with Suitcase 2.1 (it crashes miserably on startup)
>> >Is anyone else having this problem? Anyone found a solution? Anyone know
>> >an e-mail address for Fifth-Generation (I've got some mail headed their
>> >way but thats so slow)
>
>> 1) Do you have Suitcase 2.1.1 or better? It's the System 7.1-compatible
>> version.
>
>I believe it's 2.1.2 that is required for System 7.1.
>
>-----
>Eric Smith
>erics@infoserv.com
>CI$: 70262,3610
>
>

When I used the 2.0 -> 2.1.1. patcher, it said 2.1.1 was compatible with
System 7.1 beta version. I therefore assume that 2.1.1 will work with 7.1
release version. If I'm wrong, please post saying so...

Jay (=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Steve Kohlmeyer <steve@mind.psych.umn.edu>
Subject: Using Mac as X Terminal
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A725BC31F0026A1C@santa-28.psych.umn.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:21:21 GMT
Organization: U of Minnesota
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:13:55 GMT

Hello netters,
I am investigating the possiblity of using a Mac for an
X windows terminal.  I need to link to a network of SGI
machines.  I have a couple of questions:
1)  what is the best software to use (XView? others?)?
2)  How powerful a Mac does you need to get reasonable
    performance?  Would a plain Mac II work ok?

I would appreciate hearing from anybody who is using a
Mac for an X terminal.  Please respond to me and I
will summarize for the Net.

Thanks.
Steve Kohlmeyer
U of Minn
steve@mind.psych.umn.edu
.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: Printing double-sided?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:26:17 GMT

Double sided printing is apparently supported in Word 5.1. Print odd/even...
From: hasselbrink@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Eckart Hasselbrink)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: IIfx,7.0,slowdowns
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:29:32 +0100
Distribution: na
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin

In article <1992Nov8.185424.14491@athena.mit.edu>, rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani) writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.120048.2418@newstand.syr.edu>, isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account) writes:
> |> Has anyone seen a problem witha  IIfx running system 7, (or anything
> |> else unning it) where every 10min or so the machine will slow down,
> |> and the watch cursor appear. It will take about 30sec-1min for the
> |> machine to do whatever it's doing... It doesn't seem to be accessing
> |> the hard disk or anything. It even does it within MacsBug!
> 
> I have this problem on a Quadra 700... It's very annoying, and re-installing
> the system had no effect.
> 
> Rajiv
My guess is that you have got a bigger server disk mounted with a large number
of files and that you have set the finder to display the sizes of folders in
list view mode. Is that right?

I have seen similar symptoms in that situation. It happens when the finder is
updating the size information. For some reason Apple gave that an extrem high
priority by being very sparse with returning control again to the foreground
application. Clicking the mouse on the top window typically helps. Switching
off the the size-information too. 

Eckart
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:13936 bit.listserv.novell:17059
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.novell.,bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: Novell problem (sending PS to queues)
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:24:57 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1dm0biINNce8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Peter Cramer <pgc@pop.cwru.edu> writes:

>LaserWriter Font Utility doesn't seem to like Novell print queues.  It
>tells you that it's checking the printer characteristics and goes into an
>infinite loop.

>Has anyone else experienced this?  Is there a workaround for printing
>PostScript files?

Apple's Laserwriter utilities check out printers they are pointed at and
expect certain responses. Since the Novell queues don't answer the
application just hangs.

If the queues control printers on AppleTalk you could print directly to
the printer but if the printers are not AppleTalk devices you could try
inserting the postscript file directly into the queue using the PCONSOLE
utility.

-Geoff Bronner
 Tuck Computing
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business
   "The key to Springfield has always been Elm Street. The Greeks knew
    it.  The Carthaginians knew it.  Now you know it."
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: Looking for German System 6.0.8
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 20:36:24 GMT

In article <wilhelm-071192163822@mac109.ae.ge.com> wilhelm@mcst.ae.ge.com (Roland Wilhelm) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can ftp a copy of the German version of System
>6.0.8?
>Thanks!
>
>
>       Roland Wilhelm
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>wilhelm@mcst.ae.ge.com           | "If you can't defend both sides of an
>issue
>wilhelm@michelotti.ae.ge.com     | well, chances are you don't understand
>it!"
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Fonts and System 7.1
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:22:26 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <184146@pyramid.pyramid.com>, bms@pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm)
wrote:

> The install completed and all my fonts are in the Font folder.
> I noticed that the TrueType fonts were in suitcases with their
> respective bitmap fonts.  Should the Postscript fonts go in the
> suitcase as well?

No.  PostScript fonts are not screen fonts, so they don't go in font
suitcases.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ejgraves@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Eric J. Graves)
Subject: Re: MAC TCP DNR
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Summary: Why's it there?
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: mactcp, compatibility, dnr
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.142918.15534@news2.cis.umn.edu> aris <aris@ap1.me.umn.edu> writes:
>Does anyone know what is the significance of the "Mac TCP DNR" file?
>This is a file that is used by the Mac TCP Control Panel.
>I would appreciate if someone would provide some more info about this
>file.  Is this file necessary under system 7.1?
>Thanks,
>
>--Aris

Actually, the Mac TCP DNR file is created the first time MacTCP is
booted on a machine. The reason it is there is that some older MacTCP
applications look in the system folder (instead of in the Control Panels
folder) to find this code resource, and therefore, to avoid
compatibility problems, Apple decided to have MacTCP create the DNR file
in the system folder, so the code resource is both in the Control Panel 
(in the Control Panels folder), and in the DNR file in the System Folder.

In short, don't delete it (no matter what system you're running).

-eric

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Princeton Univ., Princeton NJ                        ejgraves@pucc.bitnet
ejgraves@cs.princeton.edu             *--> ejgraves@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: PAUSEING IN SYSTEM 7.1 OPERATIONS.......HELP!!!!
Summary: Apple does it again -- but it's not alone!
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:52:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: UB

In a previous message, mikey@nrc.com (Mike Goodglick) says:

>1. REALLY annoying pausing that only gets past it when I click the
>mouse...

I don't think this is a problem with System 7.1 per se, since I have
seen it on at least one other machine -- and *that* one was running
6.0.2 at the time.  That problem was fixed when the mouse was replaced
*and* the system software was re-installed; I don't know if the same will
work in this case, but I thought I'd suggest it anyway.

>2. Access PC no long works....now if have to "upgrade" to Access PC 2.0.

This isn't Apple's fault.  According to the Insignia reps with whom I
spoke at the Boston MacWorld Expo in August, Insignia's programmers
didn't follow certain programming guidelines in AccessPC 1.0 through
1.3.  The code that Insignia licensed to Apple for Macintosh PC Exchange,
and that is used in AccessPC 2.0, reflects the fact that the programmers
*are* now following proper procedures.  (One example:  Have you ever tried
unmounting a SoftPC "hard disk" file under AccessPC 1.3 and System 7.0
or 7.0.1?  You get an error message; AccessPC 2.0 doesn't have this
problem.)

>3. MacTCP no longer functions the right way & I have to "upgrade" to
>1.1.1.

Now *this* one is definitely Apple's fault.  MacTCP 1.0.1 had problems
with System 7.0, and now MacTCP 1.1 has problems with System 7.1.
Apple can't even keep its products compatible with each other; I've
never seen anything like this!  However, you might try contacting the
distributor of the software you've been using with MacTCP 1.1; many of
these distributors can help you get MacTCP 1.1.1 for free or for a
nominal (i.e. less than the $100 that Apple wants) charge.

>Please somebody out there, tell me that I am not alone with these
>gripes...Apple is starting to piss me off.  No wonder so many people
>stick with IBM's ...(please no damn flame wars starting here they all
>start & end the same way....getting nowhere).

Apple pissed me off a long time ago.  I'm still wondering how they
think people will get good "at-home service" for the Performas when
none of the people at the Customer Assistance Center and few of Apple's
authorized repair personnel have a clue as to what they're talking
about.

Hope this helps!

 -- Dave
From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: IIfx,7.0,slowdowns
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:00:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

Has anyone seen a problem witha  IIfx running system 7, (or anything
else unning it) where every 10min or so the machine will slow down,
and the watch cursor appear. It will take about 30sec-1min for the
machine to do whatever it's doing... It doesn't seem to be accessing
the hard disk or anything. It even does it within MacsBug!
  Twice using Mucsbug, it was in FreeMem during this. (one of these times
was the time it 'slowed' in MacsBug) The person using this machine has
many INITs (two rows, at least h's down from the 3 or 4 he used to have).

Is this a known problem? I'm just wondering if someone nows something about
it before I replace his system..
hanks, Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani)
Subject: Re: How do I install 7.1 on my 800k SE?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:38:09 GMT

Christopher Khoury <34I2NYW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

>Hi, I was wondering how i can intall SYstem {_7.1 on my old Mac Se?


You could always call the Upgrade Hotline and request 800k disks.
I don't knot the number, but customer service will have it: 800/776-2333

Rajiv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: neil@eba (Neil Parry)
Subject:  How can I set the system time via program?
Keywords: Macintosh IIci time set labview
Organization: EBA Engineering Consultants Ltd.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:55:40 GMT


I wish to be able to set the MacIIci system time using a program.  I am 
running Labview II and the system clock is not very accurate.  Labview
can run applications from within itself.

Please E-mail responses to : randy%eba@cs.ualberta.ca
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.1 General Controls - No desktop color!
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:40:37 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1992Nov12.225956.17394@husc3.harvard.edu> jtarr@husc8.harvard.edu (Jeff Tarr) writes:

>I am running System 7.1 on a variety of machines (Quadra, LC, SI) and I 
>noticed that the color palette for modifying the desktop pattern is no
>longer available.  This means that I can not add/modify the color of
>my desktop pattern.  In earlier versions of the software the palette was
>located right under the example screen in the General Controls control
>panel.  Where has it gone?  

When I tested the Shareware product "Desktop Textures" I noticed that this
could result if the product was not removed properly. If you've used
Desktop Textures you need to use it to reinstall a standard desktop color
palette.

-Geoff
--
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"The Blues isn't about feeling better, it's about making other people
 feel worse, and making a few bucks while you're at it."
	- Bleeding Gums Murphy, "The Simpsons"
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Suitcase II 1.2.12 and Sys 7.1
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:45:56 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


achernar@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Brono Gatea) writes:

> By now it is known that Suitcase II is incompatible with System 7.1. Is an
> upgrade in the works (a free upgrade that is)?

You need Suitcase 2.1.2 for System 7 (they've dropped the "II" designation).
I believe it's free if you have paid for Suitcase 2.0 or later; it's
something like $25 if you have to upgrade from Suitcase II 1.2.x.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
From: zot@groucho.csd.uu.se (Thomas Ljungberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Network Trash problems in 7.0 File Sharing/AppleShare 3.0
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:18:17
Organization: Computing Science Dept, Univ. of Uppsala, Sweden
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: groucho.csd.uu.se


(This article was accidentally posted to comp.sys.mac.apps. I repost it
here. My apologies to those of you who gets it a second time./Zot)

   --------------
Consider this:

    A Macintosh with either System 7 filesharing or running
    AppleShare Server 3.0 (I've tested both).

    A shared volume SharedV on that Mac.

    A folder BsFolder on SharedV.

    Two defined userids A and B.

    User A holds Make Changes privileges to SharedV, user B does not.

    User B holds Make Changes privileges to BsFolder.


Shortly after the Mac has been started, user B logs on. She can work
happily in BsFolder, create dokuments and so on. However, she cannot
put objects in the Trash. If she attempt it, a dialog will inform her
so and offer to remove the object immediately. Not nice.

Then, user A logs on. He finds a document he no longer needs and puts
it in the Trash. No problem.

Now, B makes a new attempt to put something into the Trash. And it
works! Nice, but quite confusing.

If the Mac is restarted (or File Sharing is turned off and on, the
AppleShare Server is restarted etc.), the problem reappears.


Diagnosis:

An invisible folder "Network Trash Folder" in the top level of a shared
volume is used to hold the objects trashed by network users. This folder
is created when needed, i.e. when something is moved to the Trash.
However if the user doing so does not hold Make Changes privileges to
the top level, the folder cannot be created. Once a user with such
privileges moves something to the Trash, "Network Trash Folder" is
created. Thereafter, any user can move objects to Trash, provided
he holds Make Changes privileges to the folder holding the object.

If File Sharing is turned off (etc.) "Network Trash Folder" is
removed. When turned on again, the problem have reappeared.


Suggested remedies:

1) Create "Network Trash Folder" directly when File Sharing is turned on/
   AppleShare Server is started.

or

2) Allow network users to create "Network Trash Folder" in the top level
   even if the do not hold Make Changes privileges there.
 
   --------------

Questions:

Anyone else who have experienced this problem? 

Any known workarounds?

Is it by any chance fixed in System 7.1?

Is there any good email address for bug reports like this one?


						Zot
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From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: PAUSEING IN SYSTEM 7.1 OPERATIONS.......HELP!!!!
Summary: Edgar Knapp's comments -- and my reply
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:10:15 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: UB

In a previous message, knapp@cs.purdue.edu (Edgar Knapp) says in response
to my comment:

>>I don't think this is a problem with System 7.1 per se, since I have
>>seen it on at least one other machine -- and *that* one was running
>>6.0.2 at the time.  That problem was fixed when the mouse was replaced
>>*and* the system software was re-installed; I don't know if the same will
>>work in this case, but I thought I'd suggest it anyway.
>
>The man said he had a PowerBook 170 in his original post. I wish
>people would read more carefully before they respond.

I don't want to turn this into a flame war, but I *did* read the original
post.  Yes, I know that the PB 170 doesn't come with a mouse, but I
personally know four people who prefer to use a mouse with the PB 170
(obviously not while traveling, however), and even if no mouse is involved
here, it doesn't take much effort to figure out that my suggestion would
be to try replacing the trackball.

I wish people would read more carefully before they make rude and/or
condescending remarks.

 -- Dave
From: wjk@Phonogenic.COM (Bill Keenan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: how do I print a PostScript file
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:52:15 PDT
Organization: Phonogenic Systems Corporation
Reply-To: wjk@Phonogenic.COM (Bill Keenan)
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1

Suppose I have a PostScript file created by selecting "PostScript File"
as the destination in the print dialog or one of the ".ps" documents
found on many ftp servers. How do I print them from my Mac to a
PostScript laser printer (e.g. LaserWriter IIg)? I have tried inserting
the file into a new Word 5 document, select all, change the style to
PostScript, and print, but that just gets me a "not enough memory"
alert using a 2 MB partition.

________________________________________________________________________
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From: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com (Scott Hudziak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Please Help -- SAD MAC !
Date: 7 Nov 92 07:42:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov7.004208.3299
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


                00000003
                00000008
 
___I don't know what the heck those numbers mean. I only found them once
(messing arouund with my system too much) but they are supposed to indicate
a hardawre problem. The repair guy is supposed to know what they mean. So
if anybody here repairs them and/or tells you/give you a list, could you
send a copy to me? Thanks.
 
hue@profreedom.cts.com

ProLine:  hue@pro-freedom
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