HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Reply-To: littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:55:59 GMT

In article <BsxH39.Kr9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.073947.4082@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> tjoa@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Tjoa) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.154226.2472@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes   
>
>BTW: Here in Bloomington, the rental property screw is that you have
>to sign a twelve month lease, so you have to pay in the summer too, 
>even if you aren't there.  Cheap sublets are available, but I always
>suggest people stick around for the summer and get their money's worth.
>Alternatively, seek out a place like mine that has no lease.
>
>	Darrin
>-- 

	I wouldn't consider it that much of a screw. If I owned a place and
wanted to rent, it only makes sense to lease out in 12 month increments. Why
should college out, it only makes sense to lease in 12 month increments. Why
breaks? If it worked that way, the owner is the one who's left holding the 
bag. I suspect that the real estate market (in terms of leasing) is similar
throughout; 12 month leases (possibly 6 month), especially in college
communities.

--Kevin


>
>mdchaney@iubacs mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu mdchaney@rose.ucs.indiana.edu
>
>"It's a marvel of vegetable containment..."

littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu

Newsgroups: soc.college
From: littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Reply-To: littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:45:11 GMT

In article <RoRiPB1w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us>, paradise@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Christie) writes:
>ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>      You sir, are correct.  I've never even heard of a 9-month lease, and I
>> can't imagine a market where an owner would take one unless there was a
>> pretty significant financial depression somewhere in there...
>> Brett
>
>  Well, if you look for a summer lease, you can usually find one, so I presume
>that there are some complexes that have less than 6 month leases...They just
>aren't quite as nice as the ones with 6 or 12 month leases...
>
	Well, of course you can find a summer lease (or more likely,
sub-lease). Students (here, anyways. . .) often don't want to stay for the
summer, and sub-let out. I'd think that less than 6 month leases are rare
(if not down right silly), and wouldn't be worth an owner's time.

>   CP
>
>
>--
>Christie Paradise
>paradise@wuntvor.norman.ok.us
>(405) 325-9607  The Eternal Apprentice

--Kevin
littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu

Newsgroups: soc.college
From: huey@athena.mit.edu (Huy Le)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:40:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.154226.2472@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes:

|> Coed BATHROOMS????  You can't be serious...  I know I'm in the middle of
|> the Bible Belt and the show is based in California (at fictional Western
|> Pacific University), but I can't see a housing programs type person anywhere
|> in the U.S.A. having that.
|> 

You'll be surprise how many colleges have coed bathrooms nowaday.

--
HL
 
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
From: hoesly@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Rebel Contrabassoonist)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:22:08 GMT
Organization: Contrabassoonists Anonymous

In article <1992Aug12.214743.25527@news.cs.brandeis.edu> littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>	No flames here! You're probably right about the traffic intensity
>on the net this coming semester about this new show. Freshman year is the
>giddy period. Not so for me anymore. That was shattered when some 12yo 
>called me "mister." :(

>--Kevin


Did it to me, too...except the kid asked if I was 
"one of those middle-aged people", and then said
middle age was "oh, somewhere around 20."  

Oh, well...

---
Kurt D. Hoesly	   hoesly@acc-admin.stolaf.edu  (The Rebel Contrabassoonist)

Minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.
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From: mkant+@GLINDA.OZ.CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Kantrowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.college,soc.net-people
Subject: College Email Addresses faq-maintainer sought
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:53:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bt9695.255.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: mkant@GLINDA.OZ.CS.CMU.EDU

Since I don't have as much time as I used to, I'm looking for someone
to replace me as FAQ maintainer for the "College Email Addresses"
monthly posting. 

After each posting the maintainer typically receives a half dozen to a
dozen corrections. 

Requirements:
	
	o  You must be knowledgeable about email and computer networks.
	   A network administrator or postmaster would be the preferred
	   replacement.

	o  You must be able to automatically post the list once a month,
	   and make the current version of the list available by
	   anonymous ftp.

If you are interested in becoming the new maintainer AND meet the
above requirements, please send an email message to mkant@cs.cmu.edu.
Newsgroups: soc.college,sci.math
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:00:08 GMT

solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> The ultimate result is that the lifetime of C with a majority of the software
> engineering industry is VERY VERY limited. If people (who are using their
> education only for the purpose of getting a job) are looking to their CS
> education to provide them with a strong proficiency in C may be looking for
> the wrong thing.

I don't believe that a university Computer Science education should be all
about "learning languages."  When I started at University of Waterloo (waayyy
back in 1981), my first year CS courses included a Pascal course and a (ugh)
COBOL course -- the latter was largely intended to help us get co-op jobs.  In
second year we had another course using Pascal, and a course in 6809 assembler.

However, in 3rd year, one of my six CS courses was in operating system prin-
ciples, and the prof casually mentioned in the first lecture that "For this
course we'll be using C on Unix.  If you're not familiar with C, I recommend
the book by Kernighan and Ritchie, and..."  The same applied to all my other
third- and fourth-year courses: none of them were about teaching any languages.

> People who just want a job, should also be looking to gain the ability to
> program irrespective of the language that you are using.

University is not about vocational training; touch-typing; programming in C;
or fixing your car.  What you should learn in university is the theory that
you need to solve problems, whether it's in operating system design or in
real-time applications.  They expect, and I think they're right, that you
can learn the nuts and bolts of the tools you use on your own.

> They should be looking for a proficiency in working within a software
> engineering group as a team.

This is a tough one.  I do believe in group projects, and I think the peer
critique is a good idea, but I'm not sure whether they REALLY make a
difference.

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:20:34 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park


   I'm not sure learning a new language is often as easy as
has been suggested.  While learning the core of some language
that is similar to what you have learned before is usually
not so hard, learning some of the details can be time
consuming.  For example, Pascal (some versions of it) has
some type called string.  With it, you get a bunch of
string operations, and so forth.  However, C treats strings
as an array of characters terminated by a null.  Also, C has
a unusual way of dealing with arrays which has a lot to
do with pointers.

   Anyway, that's technical jargon, and the equivalent might
be that you might be able to express your ideas in Japanese
but not be able to get the degree of politeness into the
language.  Or there might be certain German phrases that
don't translate well into English but still convey some
ideas that English speaking people don't use much.

    My feeling is that in computer science, more tham almost
any other engineering or science, you need to learn a lot
of the more "practical" things on your own.  People who
do well in the "real world" need to be able to deal with
things like UNIX, and highly system dependent software.
Finding information is a big skill.  Learning to deal
with X Windows or some kind of windowing environment.

   You don't get quite the number of electrical engineers
designing chips for the fun of it as you do computer
science majors who like to hack around.  Unfortunately
if you don't like looking around, then you had better
be pretty decent at theory since learning information
on your own seems like a needed skill, and you need
to do more of that with computer science (IMO).

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: alexf@Autodesk.COM (Alex Flaxman)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Grade reporting...
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:30:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


Newsgroups: soc.college
From: padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:29:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.154226.2472@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes:
>CBS ran the first episode of 'Freshman Dorm' last night...

Never seen the show, but I'm going to comment on some things...
>
>It was a total joke.
>
>The dorms looked like the high dollar apartments we have in Norman, where
>$650/month gets you a huge 3 bedroom w/ all the heavy appliances, and $350
>can get you a 1100 square foot 2 bedroom with the same toys. I wish
>the dorms here were that nice, if they were I might still be in them.

$650 a month would get you a studio apartment if you're lucky. Around
much of the New York and Boston areas, that is. $350 would get you
a crappy basement room in a 150-year old house...

>Lulu was a total joke.  If she has all that money, then why the hell is
>she in a dorm with two other people?  She'd be in a single, or out of the 
>dorm completely, in real life.

Some schools charge the same amount for any room. And many schools
require freshman (at least!) to live on campus. Freshman usually 
don't have much of a real choice as to where they are going to live.

>Coed BATHROOMS????  You can't be serious...  I know I'm in the middle of
>the Bible Belt and the show is based in California (at fictional Western
>Pacific University), but I can't see a housing programs type person anywhere
>in the U.S.A. having that.

Hey, some schools do have them. Cross my heart.

>Someone needs to tell the people who designed to set of the dorm lounge
>that anything not bolted down or weighing 3 tons gets destroyed in the 
>first week, and that's no gaurantee it won't get trashed anyway.  The
>set people are clueless as to what dorms should look like (low income
>inner city projects are a close approximation.

Depends on the school, I guess. Is the school portrayed in the show
a public or private school? A small 800-student school would be quite
a bit different than Midwestern State U., population 50,000.

Peter!

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From: brandon@unislc.uucp (Brandon Ausman)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:01:21 GMT


*SIGH*  It's pretty bad when I have to watch Rosanne, because it
was the only thing on opposite F.D.

*SIGH*  It's pretty bad that the New York and L.A. entertainment types
think all college students are as shallow and stupid as those seen on TV.

However, it's pretty funny that something this stupid can get such response
from all of us.  We must REALLY be bored. :)


			Laters,

			Brandon

			(brandon@unislc.slc.unisys.com)
			(bta0791@risky.wcslc.edu)
From: storm@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Tech Storm)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: U of IL at Carbondale address
Summary: I am looking for a few internet addresses of computers at univ. of Il a
Keywords: IL Carbondale illinois
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:09:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug18.190918.26982
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

Hello,

I am looking for the address of the University or Illinois at Carbondale. (Internet). I need to help someone going to school there get and learn to use a *nix 
account. Thank you. Please reply through email....

	    Storm@atlantis.cs.orst.edu

-- 
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From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
Newsgroups: soc.college,sci.math
Subject: Re: CONSCIOUSNESS AND SCIENCE DISCUSSION GROUP
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:05:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <12AUG199210174609@jetson.uh.edu> rcte4@jetson.uh.edu (Carpenter, Scot M.) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.143846.24840@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes...
>> 
>>     One final comment:  humans are very good at finding patterns,
>>     even when they do not exist. 
>
>
>	This strikes me a bit strange - If a subjective pattern is found, 
>than it does exist.  I think that your statement is indicative of the whole
>subjective/objective reality conflict; I infer that you mean that even if I
>detect a pattern in data, unless I can find a function that describes it in a
>manner that is consistent with existing "scientific knowledge," the pattern
>doesn't really exist.
>	I may find a pattern in measurably random data; the pattern is not
>useful in any known sense, but it does exist or I would not have been able to 
>detect it.  A pattern, in the common sense, does not have to be predictive or
>definable to exist - I challenge anyone to quantatize a Jackson Pollock work.
>	If you meant that people will attempt to make use of perceived patterns
>without verifying their functionality, I agree.  But this is the misuse of a
>pattern, and does not negate its existence for that person.  A pattern does not
>have to be generalizable to have a subjective reality; I think most of us make
>use of subjective patterns (say, choice of opposite sex) without realizing it.
>

     I was, of course, using the term 'exist' rather loosely.  You 
     seemed to have ascertained the inference, so I suspect that there
     was no real harm done...

                                dale bass
-- 
C. R. Bass                                           crb7q@virginia.edu
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, Virginia                            (804) 924-7926
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: stangel@sparc3.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel)
Subject: Re: U of IL at Carbondale address
Keywords: IL Carbondale illinois
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:06:20 GMT

In <1992Aug18.190918.26982@leela.cs.orst.edu> storm@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Tech Storm) writes:

>Hello,

>I am looking for the address of the University or Illinois at Carbondale. (Internet). I need to help someone going to school there get and learn to use a *nix 
>account. Thank you. Please reply through email....

Just to set the record straight, the University of Illinois has two campuses,
Chicago and Champaign-Urbana.  The school in Carbondale is Southern Illinois
University.  I have notified Mr. Storm of this via email...

Mike Stangel
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From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Aug17.170716.4952@newstand.syr.edu>
	<1992Aug18.030000.21291@athena.mit.edu>
	<Bt6wGn.J8p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:46:34 GMT

> mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:

   explained that she was overflowing the stack by continually calling the
   procedure over and over again, she said, "Oh, I thought tail recursions
   were implemented as goto's".

With the right compiler, it is. For instance, Diab's CC (DCC)
optimizes tail recursion.

   real world type things in it.  But, if I had to write a compiler, I don't
   think I'd consider anything but Scheme.

How about SPEED? Okay, Scheme is reasonably fast as LISP-like
languages go, but still far worse than a good lexer/parser in
C.

   some people, but certainly not everybody I've met.  I know plenty of people
   who can't grok C, but have written some of the bitchin'est Scheme programs
   ever.  The bottom line is, one of those two languages will get you a job.
   For the slow learners: "it ain't Scheme."

I know people in their 3rd year who do things like:

char *
duplicateString ( char * string )
{
	char * retVal ; // to hold return string

	strcpy ( retVal , string ) ;
}

The compiler didn't mind; strcpy wants two pointers, right?
The scary thing is that some assistants going over the code for
assignments DON'T CATH THESE ERRORS - usually, retVal points
where you CAN write (on some systems at least) so the program
doesn't fail until "later."

-- 
- I have decided that it is not boxes but my lack of skill that's the problem.
- Traitor! This kind of attitude will get you nowhere around here. If you must
  know, it's not your boxes that are the problem, it's your lack of a
  sufficient number of boxes. Go out and buy something.
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From: marc@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: nic.1992Aug12.101101.2440
Distribution: na
Organization: California State University, Fresno

You actually WATCHED Freshman Dorm?!?!?!  

<grin>
Marc.

--

Marc Matteo                  | CI$:       70511,3102                  (bad)
Journalism/Computer Science  | GEnie:     M.MATTEO                    (better)
California State, Fresno     | Internet:  marc@csufres.csufresno.edu  (best)
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
From: gtall@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Gerry Allwein)
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:33:01 GMT

In <1992Aug22.044426.4071@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

>In article <gtall.714400620@ogre> gtall@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Gerry Allwein) writes:
>>I see this thread has certainly degenerated from the start with some bozo
>>at MIT declaring the proper way for CS education was to go elite and learn
>>Snob 101. Now we are down to bickering over who knows how to turn on
>>computers and if it is being taught in CS schools. Education can occur anywhere
>>as long as there is a willingness to learn.

>That is certainly correct, and in that spirit, an up and comming 
>computer scientist asked the net how computer science is generally
>taught in Universities. 2-3 people responded and in there posts
>detailed not only the requirements at the programs they attended,
>but also the values embraced by those programs.

I wasn't taking exception to the requirements of programs, only to the
opinions that pass for values.

>You have failed to grasp this. If you had a willingness to learn about
>the variety of programs offered by this nation's universities you would
>have noticed this, but I strongly suspect that you lack this willingness.
>I is extraordinarily easy to call somebody a snob, but this merely wastes
>time. To call somebody a snob and then point out aspects of the programs
>that he/she espoused which are defficient as a tool to enhance a Computer
>Science program is both enlightening and productive. Alas, you have
>demonstrated an inability to do the latter.

Oh, come now, who is going to object to learning at quality programs, but
to infer one needs a program at an elite school to learn is ludicrous.
"Alas, you ....", nice condescending touch, they teach that, did they?

>As such I do not think that it is your place to criticize me. Instead
>you should leave that for the many who not only disagree with me, but
>also have intelligent ideas which they wish to share with the rest of
>the net.

Oh, dear, well, I'll have to be careful that I keep my place since I'm only
here at little ol' IU and therefore do not have the Bozo Index required to
criticize You at MIT.

>Flames will be accepted until I leave on Sunday.

Very polite of Your Holiness.

>Jason W. Solinsky

Gerry

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From: bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Keywords: freshman dorm show sex
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:49:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.073947.4082@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> tjoa@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Tjoa) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.154226.2472@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes:
>>CBS ran the first episode of 'Freshman Dorm' last night...
>>
>>It was a total joke.
>
>"Didn't see it."
>
>[what the dorms looked like]
>
>>Lulu was a total joke.  If she has all that money, then why the hell is
>>she in a dorm with two other people?  She'd be in a single, or out of the 
>>dorm completely, in real life.
>
>I agree.  In general, most people would rather be out in their own place,
>but aren't because of $$ and the variability of rental units.
>
>>The Hispanic girl (forgot the name, sorry) seems to be dense as well.
>
>Her name was K.C., I think.  (I saw a review that described it as being
>"sophomoric" and "less pretentious" than "Melrose Place")
>
>>Coed BATHROOMS????  You can't be serious...  I know I'm in the middle of
>>the Bible Belt and the show is based in California (at fictional Western
>>Pacific University), but I can't see a housing programs type person anywhere
>>in the U.S.A. having that.
>
>Uh oh.  Don't come to Berkeley.  (Showers/toilets are in separate, locking
>stalls, either sex can use whatever...)  About 30 people share, 5 sinks,
>4 stalls, 3-4 showers, (per floor) at least in the high rises.
>

Sometime back, I remember there was a controversy about a woman who used
a men's restroom in some cinema hall (?) and she was arrested. So far
I thought maybe there was a law against unisex bathrooms. It doesn't look
like that.

Dinkar.
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