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From: pat@cs.uow.edu.au (Pattarasinee Bhattarakosol)
Subject: Law
Summary: What is the low for lady after marridge?
Keywords: properties' law
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:11:37 GMT

Dear netters

I had read some article about "own the properties" after getting marry of one
guy.  It is quite long time ago that a guy on a net ask about "what will 
happen to him if he marry to a foreigner? " , and the answer that post to him
is that he still can own all of his properties, but for thai women, they cannot
hold any properties after marry to foreigner.

I am very curious for this low, and feel it is very bias for thai women.
I got friends and my own lecturer in US who got marry to non-thai
guys and they don't want to go home.  One reason that they said is that 
"because they cannot occupy their own land or even buy a house for their kids".  
Their husbands cannot apply to be Thai citizen, even they want to, 
such a pitty. Then I think that this is the other reason that we lost the 
brain.  I can say that my friends who got marry are smart, also good looking.  
Unfortunately that they fall in love with non-thai guy. I do not understand 
this law so much and I post this article because I had heard about the other 
one in US, she was a teacher in the University in BKK. She got a scholarship 
and went to study in US before I came here.  She got marry with a 
foreigner and want to return "money" to the UNi.  I feel quite upset, 
because her reason is the same as other friends of mine who have forieng 
husbands.

We complain a lot and blame the persons who don't go back to work for their 
country, although they get support from the  government.  We also worry about
"brain flow" or we normally call "lost the brain".  I think that for any
women who did not go back to work in our country, maybe it because they afraid 
that they have to do "free" work.  They care about their income and properties,
which in fact they should belong to them but they can't because of the law.

Anybody who know this law please explain to me, post it in the net or post 
to answer my question, which guys never though about it.  Sometimes I think 
we care only the brain of thai guys, but in fact girls' brains also should
be concerned.  If we can change this law or have the other alternatives for
them, maybe they will go back home and start returning the good thing for
our country, instead of staying away from their home land and work for 
other country.

My questions about this law are

1. Is it true that after woman get marry to non-thai citizen, she cannot own 
any properties, even she wants to pay the money for them? 
2. Is it true that non-thai citizen cannot apply to be thai citizen after
getting marridge, although he wants to?
3. What will happen for the kids after they are born in Thai with Thai mum but
non-thai dad?  Can they become Thai and have the same priorities as thai kids?

I don't know that any officers in our gov. have concerned about this problem
or not.  I know only they concern only their seats!

regard

pat@cs.uow.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Chuan ambivalent about governor election (fwd)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:47:31 GMT
Keywords: Thailand


From kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th Mon Nov  9 20:55:21 1992
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:14:33+0700
From: Kamol Hengkietisak <kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th>
Message-Id: <9211091714.AA24654@ipied.tu.ac.th.tu.ac.th>
To: post-thai@ipied.tu.ac.th
Subject: Post Nov 11: Chuan ambivalent about governor election
Cc: trin@ipied.tu.ac.th, yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.th
Status: R


PRIME Minister Chuan Leekpai confirmed yesterday that his 
Government would not mind having provincial governors elected 
instead of appointed and a committee under the Interior Ministry 
is studying the issue.
 
The results of the study will be taken into consideration, Mr 
Chuan said.
 
The Prime Minister also said that individual politicians may 
express different viewpoints on the issue which means the 
Government will soon have to adopt a certain policy.
 
However, the Premier declined u  comment on the Palang Dharma 
Party's plan to propose the election of provincial governors to 
Parliament.
 
Mr Chuan also declined to comment on whether such a move by a 
member of the coalition would break political etiquette.
 
Deputy House Speaker Thawil Praison said the PDP bill seeking the 
election of provincial governors would need approval by the 
Premier or the Cabinet before it could be submitted to Parliament.
 
Mr Thawil, also a PDP MP, said the bill concerns tax collection 
and expenditure -- a financial matter which has to be endorsed by 
the Premier before it can be considered by Parliament.
 
This makes it impossible for PDP to push for the legislation 
without endorsement from the Premier or the Cabinet, he said.
 
The PDP on Sunday decided to submit its bill to the Coalition 
Coordinating Committee.
 
Mr Thawil said he has been assigned to draft the bill which is 
expected to be completed on Friday.
 
The bill will specify criteria for the "readiness" of provinces 
where governors are to be elected.
 
If any province meets the criteria, then a royal decree will be 
issued to streamline the election of the governor, he said.
 
He said, the Government, meanwhile, should have a committee study 
the criteria, regarding tax and budget affairs of the respective 
provinces.

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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: Email Address for AIT BANGKOK
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 23:27:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.220824.15529@hubcap.clemson.edu> myellam@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>
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>Hi,
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>	I am looking for EMAIL address of ASIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, BANGKOK.
>A friend of mine has an offer of admission at AIT and wants to get in touch with
>the faculty before making any decision.  I would greatly appreciate if you could 
>mail the required infor mation to the following address.
>
>myellam@eng.clemson.edu
>
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>thanks
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>murali
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E-Mail address of AIT, bangkok : postmaster@cs.ait.ac.th

Cheers,

V R Kumar
[ AIT Graduate ]

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: tun@quark.SFSU.EDU (Coban Tun)
Subject: Thais told to review "CONSTRUCTIVE" Burma policy
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:53:21 PST
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RTw  11/08 0005  THAIS TO REVIEW ``CONSTRUCTIVE'' BURMA POLICY
 
    By Sutin Wannabovorn
    BANGKOK, Nov 8, Reuter - Thailand is to review its policy of "constructive
engagement" towards the military junta in Burma and will take a softer line on
exiled Burmese students, a highly-placed government source told Reuters.
    Bangkok has been criticised by Western governments and the Burmese
opposition for its close ties with its neighbour, whose record of repression
is labelled appalling by international human rights groups.
    Up to now Bangkok has said the policy was aimed at coaxing the ruling
generals towards democracy rather than confronting them.
    "We will have to overhaul the Burma policy. I am against all measures that
contribute to prolonging the power of the SLORC," the source said of the
ruling State Law and Order Restoration Council.
    The Burmese military took direct power in 1988 by killing thousands to
crush a nationwide pro-democracy uprising.
    Opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, the 1991 Nobel Peace Prize winner, is
now in her fourth year of house arrest.
    The source said it was decided to review policy because of the strong
human rights position taken by U.S. President-elect Bill Clinton.
    Plans to round up exiled Burmese students will be eased, the source said.
    The Thai Interior Ministry has prepared what it called "safety areas" for
Burmese students and threatened to prosecute as illegal immigrants those who
do not register.
    When the scheme started last week only a handful of students reported to
the authorities.
    "These students are not criminals. They are the future of Burma, a new
generation who will fight for democracy so we will not treat them like
criminals," the source said.
    The government will relax the deadline for students to go to the camps and
will later seek appropriate measures to help them stay in Thailand until the
situation in Burma improves.
    Thousands of Burmese students, Buddhist monks and political activists fled
the country to seek refuge in Thailand in 1988.
    The Thai government has issued temporary visas to more than 1,300 exiles,
among them 516 students. The cards expired last Thursday.
    Most students said they would go underground.
 REUTER SUT MH JS
From: nat@sumax.seattleu.edu (nat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: test!
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:44:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5664
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

this is a test!!!  
sorry
(-:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: Provincial governor election
Date: 10 NOV 92 22:16:15 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

        Khun Samart had shared his horrible story about buying a piece of land
in Chiengmai.  However, he also mentioned that if we buy a land from a Land
Development Company which belong to a big man in Chiengmai, every thing would
be easy, even the tax. You see, although Chiengmai still not has an elected
governor, the situation is like this.  The big man of the province or mafia can
have influence on such degree.  If the decentralisation is applied, the
situation would be even worse because the mafia will be elected and every thing
will be in his hand.
        I think it's not a good time to have elected governor because people
in rural are still under the influence of money and mafia.  I don't want to
see mafia to legally take control of government matters, the people will be
in trouble.

                Bunlur
From: nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: My opinion about Khun Chuan.
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:25:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov5.102546.8376
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

I have just read Khun Tawit's article. One thing that bother me so much, so
much that I have to say something. I belive that Khun Chauan and Democrat
party party were elected as the people do not like the aggressive action. 
I know that to let the criminals get away is wrong. But to attack them 
directly now can cause the crack in our society which may mean more lives
to lost. To break the wall does not mean we have to crash our bodies with the
wall until it breaks down. So, please be patient. Being compromise may not
satisfy everybody, but as long as it is done basing on the people's profit
(please note that I do not say anything about justice, since justice must
be applied to both the prosecutor and the defender, and no defender is
guilty until he/she is sentenced to.) it can be acceptable. One disadvantage
about being compromise is that it makes we lost our ground. We just forget
what exactly we want when we compromise too much. So, that is why we need
you to keep telling us to remember where we are and what we want. At the
same time, you need us to keep telling you that there is not only one
solution to the problem.
I remember that we were talking about some people who hold too many lands
while as a lot of people have to rent the land to grow rice and earn their
living. Some people suggested that those land owners should not be allowed
to hold such many lands and the lands should be claimed and given to the
other people. Forgive me if I misunderstood. I think I understand the
bottom line of that idea, but what I want to point out is that who is to
be blamed. If we belive that we should get for what we have done, is it wrong
to own the land or the properties that we have been working for? I think
the point is that at what point we should feel enough and should give
back. Simply say you cannot own that much and take it away is not justfied
to you and anybody. I agree that it is wrong to use our richness to take
over the other people and that is what we should not allow to happen.
One reason that I think communism is not practical (now) is that most of
us still are not good enough for that idealism. We still think for ourself
first and then think for (not think about) the other second. Until we think
about the other first and then think for ourself second, we still have to
live with this imperfect society.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: s.c.Burma
Date: 9 NOV 92 19:03:01 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

        Any one can successfully connect to soc.culture.burma, please tell me,
because I can't.
                Bunlur
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Post Nov 9: Embassies told to spread propaganda
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:51:45 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


THAI embassies worldwide have been ordered to inform their host 
governments of Thailand's policy to put an end to child 
prostitution.
 
Foreign Ministry spokesman Sakthip Krairiksh said recently the 
embassies were told to relay the Government's stated policy to 
Parliament as well as Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai's recent 
remarks on the subject.
 
The Prime Minister stressed that child prostitution must be 
eliminated at a gathering on Monday of civil servants, police and 
military officers.
 
The Foreign Ministry has instructed Thai embassies to emphasise 
that the Thai government is seriously tackling the problem, the 
spokesman said.
 
The measure is apparently in reply to international condemnation 
of child prostitution and child labour.
 
Interior Minister Gen Chavalit Yongchaiyudh also said Thailand 
would not use child labour illegally or exploit female labour, but 
would stress human rights.
 
Gen Chavalit, commenting on the United States announcement that 
Washington would stop Generalised System of Preferences (GSP) to 
countries which make use of child labour, said the Prime Minister 
had stressed the importance of this problem and the Interior 
Ministry had already announced immediate plans to solve the 
problem.
 
"We have always emphasised human rights and the abolition of 
illegal child and female labour," he said.
 
"We already have the laws, but we must enforce them more 
stringently. We have always fought this problem and it's not that 
we have done so because others have told us to," he said.
 
Gen Chavalit said there may be some trade problems between 
Thailand and the US but we must give officials some time.
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: My opinion about Khun Chuan.
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:05:58 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <1992Nov6.153417.6205@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.102546.8376@doug.cae.wisc.edu> 
>nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit) writes:
>
>Further, my vision of 100-rai cap was based on my vision of the
>national agriculture policy. It was meant for the farmers. It didn't
>put a cap on the level of richness one can garner. If you want to
>be very rich, you can always quit farming and be a politician :-)
>
>>I think
>>the point is that at what point we should feel enough and should give
>>back. Simply say you cannot own that much and take it away is not justfied
>>to you and anybody. 
>
>Only a handful of very hugh land owners must accept the pain for the
>health of the society. However, they will be compensated for their loss
>to some extent. This is not Communism but Dhammic Capitalism (as opposed
>to Dhammic Socialism of Ajahn Buddhadasa-- Actually it's the same but
>I thought people are scared of the word socialism so I change it to
>capitalism.)
>
>-Tawit
>

I like Pi Tawit's idea about 100-rai farm size limits, but I don't think it
can be done.

Who will buy this land if you force it to be sold?  The farmers?  How?  
Where will they get the money?

Suppose the government decided to give the land to the farmers.  Do you
really believe the farmers would keep and use the land?  I think they
would sell part of it or maybe most of it and quickly waste the money
on gambling or a fancy car or something.  After all, they are poor and
unused to money or property.  What would you do if you won the lottery?

Why are you assuming that the poor farmers are unhappy?  You may be correct
but you also may be wrong!  You may wish to change their behavior but they
may prefer to continue their behavior.  

IMO it is useless for wealthy people to give money/property/products to
poor people because poor people will not understand the benefits or the
opportunities that these things provide.  I do not make this statement
lightly.  I grew up poor.  Unless you can explain the change you wish to
make and the path the poor farmer needs to walk to complete this change,
it will never happen.  Also, you must do this in a way that does not
discredit his current lifestyle.

This is an incredibly difficult task!  I can think of nothing more difficult.
Good luck!

tim

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: About the tribunal ruling
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:43:14 GMT


Does anyone agree with me that the tribunal ruling was discusting,
unjustifiable and unacceptable by all means?  I wonder if we can aford to
waste our tax money hiring these crabs any longer.

Regards.

Thian

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: burmese troops clashes with Thais inside Thailand
Date: 7 NOV 92 19:04:36 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

        Now this is the time for the real heroes to play.  I wish those heroes
of May were given this assignment, the real armed enemies.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: Princess Sirindhorn to visit the US: Itinerary
Keywords: Thailand
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion-NASA LeRC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:28:47 GMT

In article <Bx9zK5.7K@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Samart Srijumnong) writes: (About HRH Pincess Sirinthorn's schedule)
>.........................
>Saturday, November 14, 1992
>
>   10:00 am	To preside the openning ceremony of Bhummibhol Adulayadej
>		Square, Boston
>
Does anyone know what is BAS?

In light of the discussion about the plight of Ajahn Sulak, I think
it'll be a good time to inform HRH Princess Sirinthorn so that she
could convey the message to HM the King. I will write a letter to
HRH asking for the pardon of A. Sulak (again) if someone who can
approach HRH would help deliver the letter for me (please email me).


>   11:00 am     To see the exhibition on the 100th year anniversary of 
>		Som+DejRaajBi'Daa set up by Thai student associations and
>		Thai community in Boston.

This would be a good occassion to ask for A.Sulak's pardon. Even during
his exile, he worked hard to raise money to build a library (in Ladahk -
Northern India- oldest continous living buddhist society) in honor
of HM's father. How could he be charged with lese majeste?

-Tawit

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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: My opinion about Khun Chuan.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:50:30 GMT

tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell) writes:

>....... most stuffs deleted

>Suppose the government decided to give the land to the farmers.  Do you
>really believe the farmers would keep and use the land?  I think they
>would sell part of it or maybe most of it and quickly waste the money
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(1)    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(2)
>on gambling or a fancy car or something.  After all, they are poor and
>unused to money or property.  What would you do if you won the lottery?

Khun Tim's observation #1 can be acceptable but observation #2 is more
of a stereotype than fact. I don't mind seeing the farmers excercise
their RATIONALITY in deciding to sell their belongings when the price
is high. As I said somewhere, the poor faers are the first seller of
the land. They have got something but it is almost nothing compared to
the benefit gained by the second, third or so seller. 

It is a classical economics that teaches us that only the rich know
how to use money. Hence, they should accumulate wealth. The poor only spend
while the rich invest, they say. I wonder which class makes most of the 
customers in Las Vegas gambling industry!

>Why are you assuming that the poor farmers are unhappy?  You may be correct
>but you also may be wrong!  You may wish to change their behavior but they
>may prefer to continue their behavior. 

If the poor have already been happy inspite of lack of materials why are they
struggle to sell land? If they are happy of what they have, why they
"waste" their money by buying new car? 

>IMO it is useless for wealthy people to give money/property/products to
>poor people because poor people will not understand the benefits or the
>opportunities that these things provide.  I do not make this statement
>lightly.  I grew up poor.  Unless you can explain the change you wish to
>make and the path the poor farmer needs to walk to complete this change,
>it will never happen.  Also, you must do this in a way that does not
>discredit his current lifestyle.

I don't think that the rich should give away to the poor. But it we agree
they should, do you think they would?

>This is an incredibly difficult task!  I can think of nothing more difficult.
>Good luck!

>tim

Yes, it is difficult task. Marxism had proposed the solution and failed. 
Capitalists all over the world cheer that the communism collapses. But
what is their solution? The whole discussion about redistribution of
income in the s.c.t, seems to me, is based on capitalist assumption that
materials bring happiness. Good political system should bring the society
to this goal of materilistic equality. Spiritual happiness, on the other
hand, is naturally individualistic. One doesn't need to compete with 
anybody when this type of happiness is concerned. Materialistic needs 
are satisfied by materialistic goods. Such goods can be bought by what
we term MONEY. That's why money is always the issue. 

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