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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: vacation from hell
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:53:15 EDT

In article <1992Sep9.010001.4932@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>I think it's entirely wrong-headed to start whipping yourself because
>you ate too much fried rice on vacation on Boston.  A diet isn't a set
>of moral precepts, it's a lifetime of changed eating habits, and not
>one which is broken by even a little "cheating" on vacation.  Gad,
>you're upset because you ate _cole slaw_ at the No Name?  You should be
>CONGRATULATING yourself that you did this.

Maybe you're right, Steve.  I didn't think of it that way.  I think what
really bugs me is that I really felt like I lost control in the
chinese restaurant (No, fried rice wasn't flying but it seemed like it!).
I'm not a control freak, but its nice to have some self control...


>
>
[some stuff deleted]

>I view this as practice for the rest of my life, since it's not going to
>be any different once I get down to the weight I want.
>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

I think you made an important point...I'm still wrestling with
how to deal with this for the rest of my life.  I really like the
WW diet and feel like I can stick with it forever but after this
weekend I need to decide how to deal with these things.  Since I
don't travel alot and eat out rarely, part of me says don't sweat
it and just be moderate but I now I wonder if I CAN be moderate....

Margot

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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Water weight!?!?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:50:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I have noticed that significant vigorous excercise helps this for me.
If I run for an hour it relieves water retention a great deal. I am
particularly careful to excercise every day when having
"hormone-related" water retention, it seems to help with pms symptoms
in general.

I think that water-retention is generally related to how overweight I
am at a given time. When I am fatter, I retain a lot more water, when
I have less fat I retain less water. Is water actually stored in fat
cells or do "fatter" fat cells create"pockets" that trap water???

Does anyone know about this?
rf
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:01:41 GMT
Subject: Re: How do you walk that much?  (was Re: inspiration)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Before I started anything, I was doing a little time on my Schwinn airdyne.
Started at 12 minutes and slowly worked up to 30, at which p[oint knee
problems (chondromalacea patellae) kicked in.  Started alternating the
schwinn with walking; 3 miles at first.  A couple of weeks later, I started
HMR's fast/VLCD.

BTW, inflammation problems tend to be aggfravated by weight, though there
are some secondary effects from losing weight.  I'd see a podiatrist
if you are not already.  I'm having wonderful progress with pads and a better
anti-inflammatory, after a year of off-and-on foot pain.

When I started HMR, I got to the point of being able to walk 3 miles/day
and do the half-hour on the Schwinn.  later, I dropped the schwinn, but
replaced it with more walking.  Got to a route of 4.5 miles, and would
do that before work, then would do a 2.5 mile loop at lunch.

Eventually, I hit on building it into my commute.  It's 3 miles walking to
the trolley station, and 1.5 to-from work. Add the lunch/walk and a longer
route home (earlier stop), and I was able to get 11 miles in relatively small
bits.

I'm about to be late for a meeting.  I'd only go with a VLCD with medical
supervision.  My family doctor recommended HMR, which was running out of
the clinic where he practices.  I'm *very* high on HMR's plan, more so
than the other plans.  (optifast, medifast, etc.)

Have to go.  If you need more specific info, email or post.

Pete Brooks  pb@hpocia.sj.hp.com
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From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: I need some info on 'Herbalife'
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:26:09 -0500

In article <16293@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.043328.1392@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bf697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roderick Soo) writes:
>>
>>I would like some information on Herbalife.
>>I hear that this is different way of dieting as you can still
>>eat normally and lose wight at the same time. This product is 
>
>There is no such thing.  Such a claim is a sure sign of a scam.
>Stay away if you're smart.

Keep in mind that when they say "eat normally" they do not mean "eat
as you are now," but rather "eat in such a way that your body will
expend what you take in..."  Doing that alone will help you lose
weight, without the "diet" plan.  

amy
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From: dowling@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marie Dowling)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Water weight!?!?
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:40:00 GMT
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just adding another "same here." I started diuretics two months ago, 
and lost 13.5 pounds in one week from all the water retention! My WW 
leader weighed me three times before I realized the problem and told 
her how I had such a dramatic loss. Now I'm afraid to go off the 
medication because I might gain 10 pounds or more back! 
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Water weight!?!?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:12:57 GMT

In article <15SEP199213404739@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> dowling@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marie Dowling) writes:
>Just adding another "same here." I started diuretics two months ago, 
>and lost 13.5 pounds in one week from all the water retention! My WW 
>leader weighed me three times before I realized the problem and told 
>her how I had such a dramatic loss. Now I'm afraid to go off the 
>medication because I might gain 10 pounds or more back! 

Diuretics are really terrible drugs to be using if they're not
medically indicated for some purpose other than weight loss (I'm not
saying that yours aren't.)  There are women who can get so bloated due
to cycle-related water retention that a drug like this might be
indicated occasionally, but you shouldn't fool yourself into thinking
that the weight loss (or the weight regain) _means_ anything at all WRT
a diet or long term weight loss.

Listen, water weight isn't fat, so it's nothing to worry about.  You're
simply not going to gain more than a fraction of a pound in a day from
overeating, so any such gain (or loss) is illusory to begin with.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:34:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
>
>Another good sandwich spread is ripe avocado.
>
>David
 
Sure, it's DELICIOUS!!!!  (And there's tons of that stuff here
in Texas.  EVERYWHERE I GO!)  But, it's high in fat.
 
It has been something I dearly love but have avoided for quite
a while now.  On Friday I had 1/2 a portion with my fajitas and
it WAS so delicious.  I was so proud of myself for not woofing
the whole thing!
 
Just go at it easy -- if you *can*.
 
TAMARA
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Go to a reasonably good bike shop and check out the saddle selections.
Most of the default saddles on bikes are designed for men, and our
pelvic structure works with the skinny saddle.  I don't know brands,
but a shop should know what to do.  BTW, a decent saddle should cost
about $30-50.

You might consider one of the gel-foam pads (Spenco makes a good one)
if the saddle is already a women's model.  I noticed that the saddles
felt a *lot* better after I lost my weight.  (Guess that's one of
the few areas of the body that never gets any fat padding.  What used
to be torture after an hour's ride is OK even after a 4 hour medium-long
one nowadays.)

There's a *little* bit of "getting-used-to-the-saddle-syndrome" working,
too.  When I started riding again, I started with a 20 mile ride.  The
last couple of miles were a touch painful, but I recovered quickly (this
was a major change from my really fat days...) and was fine the next
day.  Now, I'll do 40 miles without any problem.  (Still at the same
weight.)  It probably took me a few weeks of riding (weekends only) to
get to that point.  I did a really long ride yesterday (85 miles, with
about 9-9.5 hours in the saddle) and my tail was sore last night, but
is fine today.

If you find a store that sells women's bikes, like the Georgia(?) Terry
brand, you will definitely find people who know proper saddle fit.

Pete Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:40:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep10.034744.11303@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton) writes:
>was having that I could even address.  I wanted EVERYTHING.  Or maybe 
>just ANYTHING-- that is, anything I couldn't justify eating.
>
>I've felt like Superman lately.  I've not put a thing in my mouth that 
>hasn't been counted, defatted, analyzed, scrutinized, and weighed, not
>only in the physical sense, but weighed against other choices I could make
>at the time.

In my opinion you should have had the burgers and fries if that is what
you wanted.  There's nothing "wrong" with burgers and fries.  They're
not ideal diet food but they're not evil either.  No one, or almost
no one, can adhere to a standard of Dietary Perfectionism wherein everything
is "counted, defatted, analyzed..."  Food is part of life, part of
the necessity of life but also part of the pleasure of life and sometimes
that pleasure comes from indulging whims.  

Nobody every got fat from having an occasional hamburger and fries: what
matters is the aggregate of what one eats over the long term.

The worst thing that can happen is for such an incident to sabotage a
basically positive and successful program: that's far worse than the
incidental damage caused by a few extra calories and some incidental
saturated fats floating around your system.

Good luck and hang in there. Remember: progress, not perfection.
-- 
John Lundberg  
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu
From: mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: WHat about those lousy skinny people?
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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I'm posting again for the first time in a while but I've been reading
and getting some moral support. I have a problem taht has been mmentioned
before, non-supportive boyfriend. Actually, that is not strictly correct.
He believes he is helping. I was really overweight when I left school and
worked myself down about 10 pounds but I could never get any further. I
would yo-yo in a 5 pound range and I had/have lousy eating habits (skipping
meals, chocolate attacks, etc). HE finally convinced me to lose now while I 
am still young and able to do it easliy so I won't be sorry later. I'm
not convinced I want to diet but I have to admit I am fat so dieting is
on. THe problem is that he is one of those eat everything never gain weight
people. HE thinks it is just a matter of application of willpower and some
exercise and I'll be in supermodel shape in no time. Encouragment is to use
the pet name `gorda' (spanish for fat), do the bongos on my excess fleshy
bits, and, my favourite, saying "are you eating that?" as the food is
halfway to my open mouth. Well, perhaps these things have the desired effect,
I certainly feel fat, but in the last two years I have had a net loss of
only about 5 pounds. Can someone please explain to me how to get it through 
the thick but loveable skull of a non-dieter how to be supportive? Telling
me "You are fat" is just getting a bit tiresome.

Amy Mossman
Center for EUV AStrophsyics
From: nancyann@work.berkeley.edu (Nancy Johnsen Horton)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re:  What about those lousy skinny people?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:33:46 GMT
Organization: /etc/organizaton
NNTP-Posting-Host: work.berkeley.edu

In article <YehTW3K00iUx82KmUS@andrew.cmu.edu> Kathryn Brennan <kb3i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I have a problem.  I'm on the other side of the story.  I try to
>encourage my fiance to change his eating habits (and to cut down on ...
>  How can I be the most supportive without nagging?  How can I
>try to motivate him?  I know that he has to want to do it himself, but I
>still can't resist making subtle suggestions.  
>
>-Kate 

1)  Be a good example.
2)  Do not nag.
3)  Do not judge.
4)  If you see evidence that he is making unhealthy choices, look the
	other way, and concentrate on whatever food choices are right
	for YOU.
5)  Be supportive, ask what kind of support HE wants.  He may need to
	deal with this alone; he may be able to tell you exactly what he
	needs from you.

-njh
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From: ospahic@ddsw1.mcs.com (Olga Spahic)
Subject: Amazed... 
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:25:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer:  Material posted in this article is the sole responsibility of
                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.

After spending the past few months getting familiar with Usenet and
reading all sorts of newsgroups, I happened to stumble upon this one
a few weeks ago and I am truly amazed at the caliber of people
that participate...

There are no insults or flames... EVERYone is so supportive and
so incredibly nice!!!! =)

I'm obviously reading the group for a reason...
My family is supposedly on a diet... we have eliminated excessive
sweets and snacks, and... our BIG problem - bread.

For me, however, it's been difficult to get motivated and actually
think positively about this whole thing.... I've been on diets before,
but it was always much easier because I was usually leading a more
structured life.  Right now I am in the transition between college
and a permanent job... and I keep hoping that once I get a job and
get going, the diet and fitness regime will fall in place.

After the recent economic news, this may not happen for a while...
so I'm afraid that if I don't get motivated soon... I'll really
become a blimp!

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to motivate oneself?
Personal stories will do fine... I guess I need some sort
of encouragement... or something to help me get going...

Thanks for being such a wonderful group of people!  =)

os



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From: M21444@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:44:50 GMT

>                                                     >In article <5679@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>|>
>|> In my opinion you should have had the burgers and fries if that is what
>|> you wanted.  There's nothing "wrong" with burgers and fries.  They're
>|> not ideal diet food but they're not evil either.  No one, or almost
>|> no one, can adhere to a standard of Dietary Perfectionism wherein everything
>|> is "counted, defatted, analyzed..."  Food is part of life, part of
>|> the necessity of life but also part of the pleasure of life and sometimes
>|> that pleasure comes from indulging whims.
>|>
>
 
 
   Tom -- it's OK.  It's so easy to get sick of thinking and
analyzing and counting so much.  It's exhausting!  From everything
you write, it sounds like you've been trying really hard and
doing a super job.
 
   I think you'll be OK if you purposely DON'T think at one
meal every now and then.  You sound like you're really committed
to your goal, and you've got Hope to help keep you on track if
it looks like you're going to derail, so don't worry
if you get the urge now and then -- it might help prevent this
buildup of frustration.
 
   Maybe you should blow off something else once in a while
just for the satisfaction of blowing something off...ie skip
mowing the lawn one week, sleep in late one day, skip flossing
one night...just something so you don't feel like you're ALWAYS
doing the have-to's...then maybe you won't get those feelings
over food as much.
 
   Just an idea.  Chin up, buddy!
 
Chris
 
 
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From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:39:27 GMT

sebhis@dante.lbl.gov (Sarah Bretz) writes:

>In article <yctnm+.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>>
>>Another good sandwich spread is ripe avocado.
>>
>>David

>No offense, but avocado is LOADED with FAT!

In Sri Lanka avocado is called "butterfruit".
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Nifty Fat Substitute for Baking!
Date: 14 Sep 1992 08:13:16 -0700
Organization: Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
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Hey folks..you may recall that we've done some experimenting with
substituting both applesauce and babyfood for the fat called for in
various baking recipes.  Well, some time ago I thought "Hey!..why not
use fat free sour cream?".

Well, last night my daughter made brownies, and substituted fat free
sour cream for all of the fat called for...I was a bit leary, because
this recipe called for, all told, about a cup of butter [bleh!].
Guess what!!! They came out GREAT!!

Try it, you'll like it!

Annie
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From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: WHat about those lousy skinny people?
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 22:04:45 GMT

Mine may be a totally inappropriate contribution to the discussion about
how to get someone (like a spouse, parent, or friend) to be supportive of
one's desire to diet and, likewise, to be accepting if not supportive of
one's desire NOT to diet, but here it goes anyway.

I think we've heard from the folks on all sides of the issue: the people
who need to lose weight and want others to be supportive and they're not
getting it or not getting the *kind* of support they need/want; the people 
who know they need to lose weight but aren't ready to do anything about it 
and want everyone else to butt out and mind their own business; the people 
who would LIKE to influence someone else to lose weight and wonder why they 
aren't having success; ....  have I missed anyone?  

It doesn't really matter, because my point is that these issues between 
people who supposedly care about each other don't really sound to me like 
they're *necessarily* about eating at all.  They sound like "other" issues, 
and surely there are a lot of "other" issues in our relationships with other 
people.  If someone you care about is saying 'cutting' things about your 
weight, whether it's your mother, your boy/girl friend, or your spouse, 
then maybe the relationship is in need of repair in some other area.  If you
find yourself wanting to control what someone you supposedly care about is
eating, perhaps it has less to do with "concern" for them than with an uncon-
scious need to control or re-build that other person, and what a powerful kind
of control that would be, huh?

All of us who are married surely know (or should) that when we find our-
selves picking at our mate, that the issue we've selected to pick about
isn't always the `real' issue.  You know.   When the cap left off the
toothpaste or the ice cream dish left on the coffee table instead of the 
taken to the dishwasher, OR HOW MUCH ANOTHER PERSON ATE AT DINNER takes 
on an importance beyond the rational, you need to look a little deeper
for a reason.

Jan
From: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Maintaining (Why do I feel so fat?)
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:56:41 GMT
Reply-To: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Ive been maintaining my weight of 131 pounds for the past 3 months,
which is great! Yeah!  But why do I feel so fat?

I got admit that I havent been real good.  Ive been eating fast food
at least once a week, Ive been eating cookies & plenty of chocolate,
and all the while Ive been drinking lots of water.  Im not eating this
stuff all day long, but I am eating it more than usual. When I get on
the scale I expect to se a weight gain, but Im always 131.  I had a
friend test the scale, and it was accurate.

Can anyone tell me whats going on.  Has my metabolism changed?  Could
it be I feel fat because of the guilt of eating that junk food or could
it be my weight shifting?

Angie (Finally in a size 7/8!)
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:43:26 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1992Sep4.215423.19012@news.cs.indiana.edu> burdickj@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Jennifer Burdick) writes:
>Greetings everyone!
>    I'm looking for some advice on sandwich spreads.  Can someone help
>with choosing the lesser evils?  Before we get started, let me note that
>I usually do not use the following items.  However, my husband would like

[stuff deleted]


>    Thanks!  Jennifer Burdick (burdickj@octopus.dpsi.com)

I like to use salad dressing, like a honey-dijon or even a 
no fat ranch.  You just have to not use too much so your
sandwich doesn't get soggy (I've never had it happen and I
make my sandwiches the night before).

Margot

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