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From: dfournie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David L Fournier)
Subject: General Sim Info
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:10:14 GMT

I'm a simulator tech for Ohio State... Any questions anyone wants answered...
(within reason, I'm still an undergrad) I'll do my best..
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Why not discuss "real simulators" here?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 17:24:55 GMT
Distribution: rec

Because there are too many articles on PC based ones ;^).

Ames has maybe a dozen on various scales from the vertical motion simulator
(the VMS) to more static labs.  Can't see why those people would want to
read this group.

The small numbers full scale research (the community size),
the serious problems (serious simulation of things like helicopters),
a little penat for security on their part, and the volume of PC posts
would have researchers in this area write it off at a recreational
interest rather than "sci."  Our people do read various other groups
like human factors, etc.

Give them time.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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From: jlong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (John Long)
Subject: Re: FS4, Aces o' Pacific, Falcon 3.0
Organization: Cyberian Air Force
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:37:05 GMT

In article <D87-MAL.92Oct13190850@oddjob.nada.kth.se> d87-mal@oddjob.nada.kth.se (Mats Lfkvist) writes:
>
>If long-distance robots are the only weapons available in F3, I wouldn't
>call it close to reality :-)
>
Falcon has guns, too.

>I don't know how much the cannon is used in a real situation,
>but it sure is the most fun part of computer dogfigthing imho.
>      _
The F4 Phantom was designed as a missles-only aircraft. In Vietnam,
pilots soon learned that missles-only has some problems --
	- missles miss
	- you can run out fast
	- sometimes you get too close to use one
	- there's no kill like a guns kill
So the F4-C (?) version of the Phantom was built with guns also.

Falcon has guns, and you often get into situations where they are
very appropriate...

>Mats Lofkvist
>d87-mal@nada.kth.se

-longjohn
From: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Memory Problems!
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:27:45 GMT
Reply-To: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In order to free up more of your conventional memory you'll need to load some
of your DOS drivers into high memory. I highly recommend Quarterdeck's QEMM
extended memory manager. The latest version is pretty smart and it automatically
figures out how to reorganize things to maximize your conventional memry space.

Also review the drivers loaded by your config.sys and autoexec.bat files. Are
all of these drivers really necessary for runnning your flight simulator?
I've made a separate boot floppy that loads the minimal device drivers 
required to run Falcon. it may take a little playing around to free up the 
conventional memory but it should be possible.


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From: trwagner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ted)
Subject: Re: Air Warrior (WWII multiplayer combat sim)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:42:55 GMT

In article <1avrjsINNiu5@gap.caltech.edu> brooke@cco.caltech.edu (Brooke Paul Anderson) writes:
>Why bother with arcades when you can do this from the comfort of your
>own home whenever you want to -- at $6/hour, which is probably cheaper
>than an arcade would charge?


	Good point.  But, I would love to see something like
this sold (let's say around $100) for the Mac AND PC that allows
networked play (including internet).

	Imagine linking an office with 30 computers (let's say,
Mac IIci's) with AppleTalk or something (even local talk...about
as fast as a modem.)  Imagine staying after work with your
peers to have some nice combat!  ;-)

	Seriously.  If AW exists in pay services like GEnie
and what-not, then why won't it work on a network?  I imagine
it would be MUCH more faster.  I'd like to join a place locally
to play AW, but can't.  All we have here is America On-Line and they
don't have AW.

	Does anyone know who the programer(s) are for AW and if there
is any intention to make a networked version for internet or other
networks?

Thanks

Ted
-- 
"All my life's a circle, but I can't tell you why..."-- Harry Chapin
"Words to live by..."-- Bruce Springsteen on "Tribute to Harry Chapin"
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From: jlong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (John Long)
Subject: Re: Air Warrior Turing test
Keywords: Turing test, multiplayer combat sim
Organization: Cyberian Air Force
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:55:27 GMT

In article <1auaosINNbg1@gap.caltech.edu> brooke@cco.caltech.edu (Brooke Paul Anderson) writes:
>Someone asked me to post more information about Air Warrior.
>Basically, AW can be considered as consisting of two parts:  the
>flight sim part (which runs on your microcomputer, gets input from
>the joystick or mouse, shows on the screen the view from the cockpit,
>handles the flight dynamics, etc.) and the communications part (which
>sends your plane's position and attitude to the modem and which gets
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If your computer sends your position to the network hub,
what is to prevent you from hacking your software and cheating? I can
see it now: "Oh, good! Someone on my 6! Come on, buddy, a little 
closer... (hit a key and you teleport to 200 meters behind the enemy)...

Or, what if you wanted to implement a *super* afterburner? The 
possibilities are endless... Heh, heh, heh <sinister grin>       

For that matter, what would prevent someone who knows the protocol
from implementing a *smart* autopilot? Not that you'd need one
if you had the ability to teleport, but it leads me to ask a $64
question:

     How would you be able to tell if your opponent was a human?
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BTW, I think I read that AW does *not* operate in real time, but 
something like 1/2 simulated minute per real minute. Anyone able
to confirm or deny this? All in all, It sounds like neat stuff.


-longjohn
From: bnk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bob N Keenan)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: **NEW VERSION OF FLIGHT ASSIGNMENT:ATP**
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:08:58 GMT
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Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: bnk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


 I just talked to a very nice girl at SubLogic. I called up to ask
 them questions about ATP.. I almost bought it last nite, but noticed
 that the box never said anything about sound board support.  So I
 decided to go straight to the source to find out more info.  
 The lady there told me as of now, there is a limited driver for
 sound, but she told me to hold off buying the current version,
 because an upgrade release is to made available this Nov. 1st. It is
 to include bug fixes and... (what Ive been *waiting* for since Ive
 ever seen/played flight simulators)  digitized Air Traffic Control
 speech for the Soundblaster!!!!  Cool.  I cant wait.  She said it
 will be the same price as the current version.  The only thing is,
 they have no intensions of upgrading the video, it will still only be
 EGA.  She also said the have scheduled for next year FLIGHT
 ASSIGNMENT: AIR FORCE.  Where there will be F16 jets, and other
 fighter/trainer aircraft.    Guess we'll just have to wait for
 these....


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From: charlson@trust.gsfc.nasa.gov (Deane Charlson)
Subject: Yoke for Mac ???
Summary: Is There a Good Yoke for the Mac ?
Keywords: Yoke,Mac,Mouse,Simulator
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:12:54 GMT

I was wondering if anyone was aware of a good Yoke for the Mac?  I would like
to find one for use with Microsoft Flight Simulator 4.0.

The only one I'm aware of right now is a unit sold by Colorado Spectrum which
converts the mouse to a Yoke.  Unfortunately, this does not free up the mouse
to do other things.

Any ideas or suggestions ?


Deane R. Charlson		charlson@trust.gsfc.nasa.gov
NASA				dcharlson@zaphod.gsfc.nasa.gov
Goddard Space Flight Center	Phone:	(301) 286-7883
Greenbelt, MD 20771		Fax:	(301) 286-7538
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.ifr
From: phil@onetouch.COM (Philip D. Turner)
Subject: Re: IFR trivia question [sort of] answered
Organization: MCS/OneTouch, Inc.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 12:50:28 GMT

lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:

[...text deleted...]

>Sweden has the regulation that IFR approaches are prohibited unless
>the airport is controlled or has an operating AFIS unit (a kind of
>downgraded ATC that doesn't give clearances or separation, but does
>keep track of everyone - radio (or telephone) contact mandatory). Some
>countries - like Germany - even require full ATC.

>I have always though this regulation to be slightly paranoid,
>considering that other countries, such as the U.S. permits this.

>I have read a lot over the years about the concern of U.S. pilots
>about mixing IFR and VFR at uncontrolled fields - with IFR traffic
>popping out of the clouds straight into final. After also reading
>Kerrys trivia question and answer I am beginning to think that perhaps
>the Swedish CAA isn't paranoid at all. It seems that permitting IFR
>approaches into completely uncontrolled airports could be an unsafe
>practise. (Although I still think the Germans take it a bit too far.)

>Comments?

The problem is not IFR approaches into "uncontrolled" airports.  The
reason I say "uncontrolled" is that I believe you mean a field without
a control tower.  Keep in mind that there are airports without a control
tower that do have a control zone which takes the controlled airspace
down to the ground rather than 700' AGL.

The problem is that many airports without a control tower have controlled
airspace above/around them down to 700' AGL, which technically allows
VFR operations in very minimal conditions.  This is the situation where
one could be popping out on a straight-in IFR approach at 800' AGL only
to see VFR traffic in the pattern clear-of-clouds and 1 nm flight vis.

-- 
Phil Turner					phil@onetouch.COM
Columbus, OH	 				...!uunet!onetouch!phil
There's more than one way to skin a cat:
	Way number 27 -- Use an electric sander.
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From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Subject: Re: What is Redout?
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:56:55 GMT

In article <19921013.134617.609@almaden.ibm.com> martinl@torolab6.VNET.IBM.COM writes:

   I know what blackout is, but what is redout? I'm sure I know what you
   think you mean, but:

   1. Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
   2. What circumstances?

   None of my flying friends have heard of this happening to anyone, least
   of all themselves.

   Just curious.

A "redout" means that your vision goes away due to high blood pressure
in the eyes when you are pulling excessive negative g's. It is
exceptionally unlikely that you would encounter this unless you are a
military pilot or seriously into aerobatics.

According to one of my aviation textbooks, this requires more than -2
g. Most civil/non-aerobatic aircraft will break off (or at least bend)
their wings before that.
--
Lars-Henrik Eriksson                            Internet: lhe@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN                         Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: Any helicopter simulators out there?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:36:21 GMT

From article <1992Oct16.221620.15771@eff.org>, by peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen):
> I'm aware of LHX Attack Chopper from Electronic Arts.  That's on the PC
> and the Sega Genesis right now, and I imagine a Mac version can't be far
> off.  There's also Steel Talons from Tengen, now on Genesis, soon to be on
> PC.  There's another one for the PC, also, but it's name escapes me right
> now.  These follow more in the game route than simulator, however.

LHX is pretty good... 2 years ago.  I played it a *lot* back then.  Right
now the best is the Gunship 2000.  It is pretty realistic, including 
dropping down if you do not increase throttle when accelerating.  Let's
you fly Apache (and variance), Blackhawk, Comanche, etc.  Remember to 
download the latest patch. 
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From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Any comments about the El Al crash?
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Oct6.133450.27763@cactus.org> <1992Oct6.194351.7360@b30.ingr.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:00:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.194351.7360@b30.ingr.com> medin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) writes:
   Was the [El Al] crash in IFR or VFR conditions? I haven't heard.

It was in good VFR conditions, at night. The controllers at Schipol
tower could see the explosion as the aircraft crashed.
--
Lars-Henrik Eriksson                            Internet: lhe@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN                         Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
From: mazanec@convex.com (Robert Mazanec)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Crew coordination
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:41:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.mazanec.718569685
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9210081227.AA00360@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil> davehyde@TECNET1.JCTE.JCS.MIL writes:

>OK, one more try....

>My wife is starting to talk about flying with me much more frequently.  Anyone
>out there got any thoughts on crew coordination?  I.e, what type of things do
>y'all get your passengers (experienced or otherwise) to do for you to reduce
>your workload?

>David Hyde
>davehyde@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil

To start with, I try to carry a film can of quarters when I fly w/
passengers.  While on the ground, I explain the age old "See and Be
Seen" as the nature of the VFR game.  I then promise them a quarter for
each item (e.g., other traffic, towers, destination airport, etc) which
could be a safety factor.

I've found, again in VFR, that passengers enjoy matching terrain
features to the charts and double-checking w/ the DME.  That is, as
we're flying along, I point at a town, lake, or whatever, and ask,
"There's a <whatever I've seen> over there.  Is that good or bad?"

Help identifying radio aids is always good, too.  If nothing else, it
helps show them that pilots don't know _everything_: some (most?) just
read the Morse off the charts & match w/ the ident signal.

Finally, once they've gotten over the shock of all that _stuff_ on the
panel, I can count on passengers to set frequencies, transponder codes,
etc.

At the end of it, I like to think I have someone who really feels like
they made a difference and were part of the flight.

TLAs	Three Letter Acronyms
VFR	Visual Flight Rules
DME	Distance Measuring Equipment

enjoy,
bob
--
Robert L. Mazanec @ Convex Computer Corp.
mazanec@convex.com

DISCLAIMER: You think they PAY me to say this stuff??
From: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: What Constitutes "Cro
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 

MC> .I guess my advice would be to use a consistent definition and to get
  > .so much cross country time that it never is an issue.

If you all check FAR 61.51, concerning Logbooks, you'll find that "cross
country" isn't even mentioned.  The XC column in logbooks is a
convenience to allow one to easily determine when requirements have been
met.  But, if you want to log EVERYTHING as XC, that's your prerogative.

You can do anything you want with your logbook, as long as it is a
reliable record and has the entries specified in 61.51(a)&(b)

I personally would only log in the XC column those flights which were
acceptible for the rating pursued.  I keep my logbook using Aerolog-III,
so generating reports for specific ratings, currency, etc. is trivial.

        Best,
         D/

 * OLX 2.2 * Bring back A-N airways!!    Dick.Zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com
From: joell@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Joel Larner)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Sharing Flight Expenses
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:36:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO

Another question on sharing expenses:  

  What constitutes "sharing"?  If a flight cost, for example, $50, certainly
the pilot and his lone passenger each paying $25 is "sharing".  But how about
the pilot paying $10 and the lone passenger paying $40.  They are still
sharing, thought not necessarily equitably.  But the regs don't say 
"sharing equitably" they just say sharing.  For that matter, what keeps the
pilot from paying $1 and the passenger $49.

What do people think?
-------------------------------------------------------
Joel Larner - Hewlett Packard, Greeley Storage Division
CAP SAR Pilot            email:  joell@hpgrjq.gr.hp.com
                           CAP:  Pikes Peak 293
                    In The Air:  N182H
From: kzk00@ccc.amdahl.com (  200  Klaus Kraemer)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: What Constitutes "Cross Country"
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:39:40 GMT
Reply-To: kzk00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (  200  Klaus Kraemer)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct13.234603.13656@qdeck.com> jbrown@qdeck.com (Jordan Brown) writes:
>bobw@ncr-fc.ftcollins.NCR.COM (Bob Waldron) writes:
>>My advice is to use your own judgment when logging x-country or
>>any type of time in your log book.
>
>The fact that you don't log the 49-mile flight as XC, or don't log the
>100-mile no-landing flight as XC, doesn't erase that experience from your
>brain, which is the _really_ important part.

That's really the key point. Many times in how-do-I-log-this
discussions, the terms currency and proficiency are mixed up.
Currency means legality, which is quite narrowly defined. Proficiency
cannot be measured in absolute terms; but that is what keeps you
alive.

Remember that you are the one who signs the logbook to be correct.
If you want to remember the no-landing XC flight in later times, put
a note in. (You can learn how to scribble in very small writing. Ask
an instructor; these guys put up to four lines on one printed line.)
Then you will be not the only one who knows that your XC flight
many months ago did not have a landing...   ;-)
Klaus.
From: bnk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bob N Keenan)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: **Anyone want to sell a flight computer?**
Date: 15 Oct 1992 02:08:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
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Originator: bnk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

 Hello-

 I am looking for a flight computer.  I know Sporty's has their E6B
 for $69, that looks like it would do what I need it for, but I was
 hoping I could turn to the power of the net.  I'd really rather use
 the extra money to finish up my requirements, so I was wondering if
 anyone out there has on old flight computer that they'd part with for
 less than I can get it for at sportys etc..  Im not talking about a
 mechanical one either.  Ideally the sporty's e6b.  Maybe its a long
 shot, but Im just a poor guy that wants to fly.. (aren't we all!)
 Thnanks in advance....

bob keenan

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From: ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Sleepiness
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:38:36 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


 I don't have any concrete statistics on sleepiness and its
effects on flying, but I do have one very important "anecdote."
My sister fell asleep on a long trip, killing herself and injuring
her 3 passengers. This was in a car, but I believe the same thing
goes for flying. 
Know your limits - if you feel yourself getting tired, land. Let someone
else fly or take a quick nap. PLEASE!
					Sharon
From: dth@shark.cis.ufl.edu (David Hightower)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: What Constitutes "Cross Country"
Keywords: Cross Country,X-country,Legal
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:56:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1anhurINNft7@agate.berkeley.edu> chem4-aa@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lonnie C. Martin) writes:

>As for the rest of the question, a landing not at the airport of origin
>makes the flight cross-country. The instructor I train with now argues that
>"cross-country" time should not include time spent in multiple approaches,
>or other practice that significantly extends the ATE. This seems
>reasonable, but I have not seen any clear reference in the FAR or AIM.

>Lonnie C. Martin    lonnie@hydrogen.cchem.berkeley.edu

We had a student pilot go up for his FAA checkride--he had 10.2 hours of solo X-country, 
but the FAA examiner noticed that on his last flight he had logged 6 landings.  What he had 
done was to make the flight, then do some pattern work when he got back here.  The examiner 
figured that it took .5 to do those 4 "extra" landings, and disallowed the time;  this meant 
that the student only had 9.7 hours of solo X-country, and the examiner made him do one more 
flight before he would give him his ticket.

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