From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during V
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:45:51 GMT

In article <JOT.92Oct7231016@teak09.cray.com>, jot@teak09.cray.com (Otto Tennant) writes:
>>1.  Russia was not the enemy in the vietnam war.  North Vietnam and
>>China were the "main enemies."
> 
> The monolithic Communist front was the "main enemy."  You can attempt
> to subdivide "the enemy".  One may even recognize that Red China and
> the USSR were not on the best of terms.  But, in the relevant period,
> the USSR was supporting North Vietnam.
> 

But monolithic communism has been shown to be false.  I'm Irish, if I go
visit London does that make me a traitor to the people in N. Ireland?
(and please no flames about N. Ireland politics...)

>>3.  When on vacation or going to school in England, your ideas go
>>with you.  If they didn't, that would be suspect.
> 
> Well, that is sort of the point.  The present governor of a small
> southern state, who promised he would serve out his term (but we all
> know how to believe the promises of Democrats) took his ideas with him
> on vacation.  They happened to take him to a communist country.
> 

They happened to take him to a country rich in tradition and full of 
tourist sights that just happened to be communist.

>>6.  If Bush supporters actually think this is an issue, then
>>Clinton, Perot, and Marrou (sp?) supporters are sure glad their 
>>candidates have real issues to campaign on.
>>
> Actually, I don't know.  The Governor of a small southern state has
> enough to answer for beyond a youthful visit to the USSR.
> 
> The issue is not so much whether or not he supported LBJ's war.
> 
> The issue is whether or not he understands basic thoughts like
> "freedom" and "justice".  Visiting the USSR the year after the
> invasion of Czechoslavikia is at best (using the word of the left-wing)
> insensitive. 

The issue is whether or not you understand basic thoughts like
"tourism" and "sight-seeing."  I'll go out on a limb but I'm 
willing to bet that Bill didn't go around moscow praising their
system of government...

>>-- 
>>These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
>>occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
> 
> 
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