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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:09:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.070524.4767@javelin.sim.es.com> JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT) writes:

>  How does Jesus of Nazareth fail to be the messiah?

I'll bite back my reflexive snarky answer, and tell you what I tell the nice
clean-cut young people from the Laymen's Evangelical Fellowship.

If somebody wants to claim to be the Messiah, come to bring all of Israel
and Judah together and re-establish the Kingdom of David in Jerusalem, he
has to prove it.  The burden of proof is on the claimant of David's crown,
not on me.  

I am not satisfied by the claims of Jesus to be the Messiah.

Most of the people who post to this net are also not satisfied by those
claims.  Many of the people who post to this net look upon such questions
with a jaundiced eye, figuring that anybody who would ask that is likely
to be a missionary.  They are usually right, too.

If you are asking this question because you want an answer, then brave the
storm for the sake of intellectual or religious curiosity.  If you are
asking this question because you have an underused baptismal font that you
want to get more use out of, then be assured that I live across the street
from a big church, and if I am suddenly seized by a conviction that Jesus
was the Son of God I will charge over to St. Basil's immediately for a wash.

Aryk Nusbacher


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Y'hi Ratson at the Table
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.214005.13186@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org writes:

>In our family (with Litvak traditions), 'kugel' means the real thing, made
>with salt and pepper (and fried onions - a mekhaye!), while 'kigel' is that
>sweet stuff with the raisins.

So?  Nu?  Vhich vun is a "pudjing"?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:24:08 GMT
	<1992Oct5.064954.602@vms.huji.ac.il>
	<1992Oct5.065738.603@vms.huji.ac.il>
	<1992Oct5.111301.11558@discus.technion.ac.il>
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il's message of 5 Oct 92 11:13:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.111301.11558@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff) writes:
>
> 1. mysterious/mystery - from l'hastir

This one is truly intriguing!  Webster's notes that 'mystery's
derivation in Greek is uncertain, and 'STR' is unquestionably early in
Hebrew, and we have 'mistor' -- a hiding or hidden place -- from it!
But 'mistorin' (= mystery) in Hebrew has a typical Aramaic ending, which
indicates introduction into Hebrew in Mishnaic times!  Was this loaned to
both Greek and Hebrew?  Was there a borrowing back from Greek of
something originally Semitic???  Just looks too good to be a
coincidence.  I wish I had my Even Shushan in the office...

> 2. copesthestic - from kol beseder

Couldn't find this one.  Isn't 'hakol beseder' a rather recent
expression?

> 3. regular - from ragil

Doesn't look that way to me from reading Webster's etymology of the
'regular', plus the use of 'ragil' in this sense doesn't seem very
ancient to me.

Consult your local good Hebrew dictionary for best advice possible in
such matters.
--
Yigal Arens
USC/ISI
arens@isi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: On Kara'ites (was On Orthodox Monopoly, was ...)
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 12:53:28 +0200

On: 25 Sep 92 02:50:09 GMT
clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman) wrote towards the end:

>Stan Krieger writes:
>
 ********   much skipped  ***********

>>Just as a discussion point, what would happen if we find a sect of Hebrews
>>who observe Judaism exactly as written in the Torah; specifically, they
>>have an alter for animal sacrifices, they observe the Sabbatical and
>>Jubilee years, etc., etc., etc?  Would we accept them?
>
>Well, none of us accept the Karaites as Jews so why should we accept this?

Not so  simple.  The  Kara'ites, especially those  who came  to Israel
from Egypt, Turkey etc. are de-facto recognized as Jews, including the
Law of Return.  As far as i know even the Orthodox Rabbinate of Israel
does not make to much trouble if one Rabbinic ("regular") Jew wants to
marry a Kara'ite one.

>Bill Coleman

 Michael Shimshoni
From: d89-mor@nada.kth.se (Monika Orski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: On Polish Anti-semitism (Take 2)
Keywords: Invectives
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:25:23 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden


Leaving the Big Issues - like who is an idiot and why doesn't everybody learn to
read and how are palestinians treated in Poland - to those who have the time to
deal whith them, I would like to know your opinions on a topic releated to this
header :

For many years, the word "jew" has been considered an invective in Poland. It also
have in Russia and in many other counties. In most countries/languages (eg
english, french and swedish) it is no longer considered an invective, as racist
ideologies has been widely rejected. As far as I know, this has not happened in
polish (despite the fact that there are very few jews left in Poland or maybe
in connection whith this fact?).

Is this part of a Polish anti-semitism? I think it is.

	m
From: band@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Iver E. Band)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 21:37:55 GMT
Subject: Looking To Affiliate in Bay Area
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish

I am looking for a progressive Jewish congregation in or near the San Francisco
Peninsula/South Bay Area that is accepting of intermarried couples.  My wife is
very interested in Judaism, but is not ready to convert.  I was raised in a 
Reform Jewish tradition.  We are expecting a child, who we want to raise Jewish.

Iver Band

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:07:20 GMT

I'll probably get more flames as someone who "hates" other Jews, but so
that people, especially Mr Webb with his heart wrenching question, won't
get mislead, I will post this reminder.

In article <1992Sep28.152040.14175@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu
(Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>Parents do not own their children. Children are individuals, with their own 
>life to live. Parents cannot stop them from living their lives. And, parents
>cannot stop their kids from being happy based on some old tradition or tale.
>I am sure that the basis for all the Jewish tradition is no more than the
>search for happiness. So, be it.

Mr. Webb

If you're reading this newsgroup for followups to your article,  please
understand that Alberto's post is _entirely_ in keeping wiht his usual
rationalizations of his own break with Jewish tradition (and law) and in
keeping with his sentiments about his own intermarriage.

Others have addressed the "untraditional" (to say the least) view on
happiness and I strongly urge you to read Eliot Shimoff's post.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ghica@fig.citib.com (Renato Ghica)
Subject: book info
Originator: ghica@duck
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:07:31 GMT



Does anyone know if and where the bible(new and old test.), the Koran
and the Torah are available from an ftp site somewhere?

-rg

-- 

"I am a brain, Watson."
"These views are my own. / Mail me or Flame me"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 14:34:54 GMT
Organization: IBM Research

In article <1992Oct6.124947.14182@umbc3.umbc.edu>, shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:

|> 
|> Does intermarriage compromise Jewish survival?  Sociologists agree that
|> is does.  Check it out.  Are you seriously arguing that the grandchildren
|> of an intermarried couple are likely to identify themselves as Jews?
|> 

My mother (an agnostic Jew) married my father (an agnostic Gentile).

My son David became Bar Mitzvah last year and celebrated
that event in a Jewish service.

My daughter Tamara becomes Bat Mitzvah this year and
will celebrate the event in a Jewish service.

I don't necessarily say that the position on intermarriage
is wrong, but I think one should look at the numbers carefully.
A significant percentage of intermarried couples are
bringing their children up Jewish.  In our local temple,
this is being supported even in those cases where the
children are not halachically Jewish but the parents
have chosen to raise the children as Jews.

-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: On Polish and Jewish nationalism
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.082813.29552@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>Danny Keren writes:

>>Oh so touching. But how does firing Bazookas into schoolbuses etc help
>>free "their country"? And why were they doing it before their
>>country was occupied? And why did the "Islamic Jihad" recently 
>>state that it will continue the struggle till "every Jew in the
>>world is dead"?
>
>I'm far from being fan of Islam, or the "Islamic Jihad".  Firing
>schoolbuses is a disgusting crime.  The more if they were doing it
>before their country was occupied.  Which does not change the fact
>that actually Israel is the oppressor 

*The* oppressor?  Seems to me there's more than one in the Middle East.
Jordan, for instance, which has killed many times more Palestinians than
Israel ever has or will.  All the countries that, in 1948, 1967, and
1973, attempted to oppress Israel into extinction, for instance.

>and the occupation of foreign lands is always lawlessness.

Always?  The US occupation of parts of Germany and Austria, plus Japan,
after WWII -- that was *lawlessness*?  

Roger
>
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>+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
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From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ZIONIST/JEWS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE??????
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:09:36
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il's message of Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:36:39 GMT

In article <goldberg.717600999@techunix.technion.ac.il> goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:

   Excellent. Atheism is a religion, and in fact the first step into becoming
   a Jew.

Atheism isn't a religion, it's the absence of belief in a deity, with no
specific affirmative doctrine.
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From: hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: meaning of Yom Kippur
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:50:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <9210051444.AA02175@ptms_dev.sbi.com> <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)> writes:
 
			..........................

>What is the Reform approach on this?  Assuming that their "ritual" mitvot
>correspond to the those between man and G-d, and that they are not really
>obligated to observe these mitzvot, I must ask why they do anything on
>Yom Kippur.  It doesn't absolve them of the man-man transgressions, and
>the man-G-d transgressions are not transgressions.

Reform does not automatically discard all ritual mitzvoth.  Not only do 
they observe Yom Kippur, but Rosh Hashanah (we have had a large discussion
on this, and why they only observe one day), Pesach, Sh'vuoth, Purim,
Sukkoth, etc.  Their observance may be somewhat different.  The Ten
Commandments are also emphasized.

While there is latitude of interpretation, and many differ on exactly
what are transgressions against God, *I* do not know any who do not think
that there are such transgressions.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Yom Kippur
Keywords: what it overides, what overides it
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:34:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I am well aware that nobody is to ever fast on Shabbat, unless Yom Kippur is
on Shabbat that year.  Only then is fasting on Yom Kippur allowed, even 
required.  Not even Tisha B'Av overrides Shabbat in this manner, it is merely
postponed, as has been noted in several other postings.  My question is what
, if anything, might override Yom Kippur.  I have heard that if a bris happens
to fall on Yom Kippur, then it is performed on Yom Kippur.  That so important
is a bris, being the sign of the Covenant with God, that it is ALWAYS done
on schedule regardless of mitigating circumstances.  Is this correct?  If so,
what about a pidyon haben?  In any event, is there anything at all, that
would still be observed even if it coincides with Yom Kippur?  Also, are
weddings permitted on Yom Kippur?
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tay-Sachs
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:16:06 GMT

On Wed, 30 Sep 1992, Alan Sugar wrote:

> In article <Pine.3.05.9209271333.A7828-b100000@alsys1> <Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>> writes:
> 
> >
> >all my textbooks that would have a lot of info on tay sachs are out on loan
> >right now. but i think the testing is done by western blotting. blood cells
> >from the person would be taken and thier dna chopped up by various enzymes,
> >and run on a gel that will separate the dna fragments by size. then a small
> >piece of radioctive dna would be bound to the dna and depending on the size
> 
> 
> >Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
> >ness@aecom.yu.edu                      
> 
> Since the defect in Tay Sachs disease is enzymatic (deficiency of
> hexosaminidase)
> this activity can be measured.  The disease requires 2 allelles - ie,
> both genes one from each parent.  Tay Sachs patients have no enzyme
> activity and carriers have 1/2 normal, enough to avoid the ravages of
> this disease.  Thus, the basis for testing prospective parents for the
> presence of the carrier state.  If both parents are carriers, there is
> a 25% chance of the baby having TS disease, 50% chance of it being a
> carrier and 25% chance of the baby not having the TS gene at all.
> 
> I do not think that Southern blotting (Western is just for proteins,
> Southern for DNA) is required to make the diagnosis.
> 
> 
> --
> Alan M. Sugar   (asugar@bass.bu.edu)             
> Section of Infectious Diseases
> The University Hospital 
> Boston University Medical Center
> 
yes, you're right. how stupid of me to mix upwestern and southern
blotting. it would be simpler just to check for the protein.




Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
ness@aecom.yu.edu
From: steef.jacobson@factory.com (Steef Jacobson) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: donations
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: steef.jacobson@factory.com (Steef Jacobson) 

 .................................
...I strongly urge people NOT to give to
...General Israel Orphans Home for Girls
...(explanation available upon request)
...Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
...        Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
 .................................
Sam,
        tell me more.
                                Steef
---
 . Stee. . A clean desk is a sign of a sick mind
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: here we go again....
Keywords: CAMERA PBS propoganda
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:48:31 GMT
Organization: liver ---> spleen

I recieved a newsletter from the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East
Reporting in America (CAMERA)  that claims PBS is going to be producing
another bit of Arab propoganda.  You may recall that a few years ago
they denied (till after it was aired) that a one-sided piece of Arab
propoganda was funded by Arabs (I believe the Saudis).  To placate
those that didn't care to see PBS dollars going for this trash they had
a discussion group after the show.  Deservedly, they lost viewers and
supporters for it.

Now, according to CAMERA, they are about to produce "Struggle for Peace"
that "...presents a catalogue of half-truths in which threats to Israel's
security are wholly ignored.

"Still more alarming, a companion 'study guide' targeting schools and
community groups is being promoted by PBS.  It is no overstatement to
describe this guide as a document of Arab propoganda.  A chronology of
modern history actually omits the Holocaust as well as all Arab terror
assaults on Jews."

Does anybody know anything about this program?  Is CAMERA off the mark
here?  Please help!
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.romance
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:27:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish

In article <RLK.92Oct2172233@underprize.think.com>
rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:

>As for the future in-laws issue, maybe it is and maybe it isn't sage
>advice.  It's something I find disturbing, though.  Ideally (IMHO) the
>marriage should be between the people involved, without carrying in
>family baggage.

When it is called "bagage," it's much easier to shed (or reject) than when
it is tradition, values, community, etc.  The choice of terminology says
quite a bit about other bagage, too.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:59:33 GMT
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu's message of 5 Oct 92 01:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.012828.24658@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi) writes:
>
> We all know that Hebrew gave English words like camel, behemoth, leviathan,
> amen, hallelujah, cane, etc.  I have collected some other English words,
> each with a Hebrew word similar to it in sound and meaning. The Webster
> dictionary does not indicate that any of these words does have a Hebrew
> (or Arameic) origin; I wonder what other people think:
>
> 1. loop: ( LIPEF, LIPUF )
> 2. obese: ( HE-EVIS, EVUS )
> 3. question:  ( KUSHIA )
> 4. auspice: ( AUSHPEZIN )
> 5. rush, race :  ( RATZ )
> 6. crash: ( KARAS )
> 7. fall:  ( NAFAL )
> 8. bore (i.e., hole):  ( BOR )

At least for the case of 'ushpiz', which I happened to look up once, the
borrowing went in the *opposite* direction.  Just looking at 'ushpiz'
you see that it is not Hebrew...  It is related to the the English
'hospice', which is a place for 'ushipizin'.  Like many other words in
Hebrew today, it was introduced from Greek in Mishnaic times.

Another word like it is 'kabarnit', which is related to the English
'government', originally from Greek.  This widespread borrowing from
Greek in the centuries a little before and after the year 0.

Even Shushan would know about most of these things, I'd think...
'Kushia' appears offhand to be related to 'kasheh', but 'question' is a
good Latin word -- which would make borrowing from a Semitic origin (let
alone from Hebrew!) unlikely.  'Fall' I would guess is Germanic -- also
unlikely, I would think, to have Semitic origin.

All statements in the previous paragraph are my guesses based only on
general familiarity with the area, but not on actual checking.

Well, let's see what the 'webster' command says about these:

Yes, 'fall' is of Germanic origin, 'question' is from Latin.  It says
'rush' is from the Latin 'recusare', to refuse.  'Obese' is from Latin
ob+edere = English against+eat, so relation to 'evus' seems unlikely.
English 'Bore' is derived from Latin 'forare', to bore, 'ferire' to
strike. 
--
Yigal Arens
USC/ISI
arens@isi.edu
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:33:13
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de's message of Sun, 04 Oct 92 20:21:01 +0100

In article <qXw5RB2w165w@valpso.hanse.de> tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:

    SOME PEOPLE ?!!!      I'll give you the OFFICIAL statistics of Jewish
    intermarriage in West Germany from the last three years (in per cent)

					WOMEN       MEN           
					-----       ---
	     1988                       61.0       73.8
	     1989                       74.2       83.2
	     1990                       68.2       75.0

0 < some < 100%.  I've heard it's closer to 40% in the US.

    2. they want to save taxes.  In Germany every registered member of one
       of the following religious groups has to pay taxes. These taxes are
       later distributed to the church/sinagoge to whom the member belongs.
       These religious groups made an agreement with the German government
       because  they found it was a better way to collect money from their
       members:
		Jewish  
		Evangelical: 
			    - church of Germany
			    - free churches
		Roman-Catholic

If the US had such an idiotic system, I would certainly not even
consider registering as a member of any religion.  Come to think of it,
I wouldn't consider "registering" with the government as a member of any
religion; it isn't the government's business and it's too likely to be
misused.
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