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From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: This Stromer guy
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

PS>        >WHY DO YOU GUYS RESPOND TO THIS STROMER GUY???

PS>Because I'm obviously an entertaining writer.  And modest, too.

PS>        >IS HE WORTH YOUR TIME??

PS>If you need to ask, the answer must be an emphatic YES.

PS>        >IS THERE THE REMOTE POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT YOU WRITE WILL CHANGE
PS>        >HIS TWISTED THINKING???

PS>That's a loaded question.  Ask it properly and in a non-rhetorical manner

PS>if you want a response in kind.

PS>        >I WOULDN'T WASTE *MY* TIME ARGUING WITH HIM.

PS>Arguing with me obviously isn't a "waste of time", otherwise you wouldn't
PS>be arguing with me!

PS>        >MANY OF THESE WHITE BOYS, WHO WOULD NEVER AND SHOULD NEVER CONFRONT
PS>        >BLACKS TO OUR FACES, "GET OFF" BEING ABLE TO SPOUT THEIR RIGHT-WING
PS>        >CRAP WITH IMPUNITY.

PS>Ahh, the race card.  I was wondering how many sentences you'd take to get to
PS>this.  I'm surprised you could even string up 5 sentences to write a letter.
PS>Congratulations.  What kind of bullshit "white boy" crap do you use to de-
PS>scribe Colin Powell, since he opposes rootslurpers in the military?

Stop using discriminatory terms, or I start whit "Whitey"
or "Breeder" !!!

PS>Saying "many of these white boys" is racist, dude!  What if I said "many of
PS>these black boys" like to sell drugs and loot stores during riots?  The shoe
PS>fits both ways...Many white boys would be offended being lumped into the
PS>same category as me.  Just ask Ted Frankfurter or Fred Snarfblad.

PS>        >*I* DON'T RESPOND TO PEOPLE WHO IGNORE ME....

PS>I'm not ignoring you, and you ARE responding.  You're just full of confusion
PS>today, aren't you.  Now start over and be more lucid next time, rather than
PS>just foaming at the mouth.  You act as if your pubic hairs are being plucked
PS>one by one.

PS>--Philip Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com), aka Richard Cranium  :)

Other than that, this was a very good rebuttal. I have to acknowledge
this.

CU, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * He's dead, Jim.  But you still need to use a condom.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Alarming News
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:37:09 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <-qp11=l@rpi.edu> muhamo@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Omari Wakweli Muhammad) writes:

# I was notified today, November 10, 1992, by the President of the
# BSA at UNION after the Naim Akbar lecture at West Hall that  during
# the weekend of 11/6-11/9 an African Male was hung in Albany.
#
# When I say hung, I mean lynched.

Hmmm ... Five days later and it still hasn't hit the national news.
What's the story?

David
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Malcolm X movie
Date: 19 Nov 1992 11:30:07 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <ISBELL.92Nov18205036@panther.ai.mit.edu>,
isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>
>Just saw it.
>
>It wasn't long enough.
>
>I loved it.
>
>Oscars all around.
>
>Wow.  I just sat thru 3.5 hours and didn't realize it.
>
>Remember, we don't notice history until its passed us by.
>
.
.
Hell.  Payday can't come fast enough. Friday night at the Century 10
plex for me.  Definitely gonna see it 3 times.
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: BlackScientist,read this!
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

Hi!

If you are in Science, or plan to start a scientific career, check out
"Science", Vol. 258, 11-13-92.
They have a great report about minorities in Science with addresses
accompanying.
There is also a mailing list for/of Black grad's in the Usenet.
For further information, E-mail me.

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * US Supreme Court - 
                                
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From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Ignorance
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:43:01 GMT

In article <2w8HuB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
$        >Has anyone on this net noticed that our friend Philip "Peewee 
$        >Herman" Stromer is NEVER wrong???
$
$It's common knowledge that I'm the smartest person in the WORLD, so of
$course I'm usually right.  Aw shucks...I'm ALWAYS right (of course).

I don't know about smarts, dude, but you damn sure are funny.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Aww, nigga! You know you all that and a          malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
	bowl o' grits!!"  - Ice Cube       
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From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: Who's Malcolm X ?
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:18:47 GMT

In this discussion of whether MLK or Marshall or Malcolm X
(and maybe we shouldn't ignore Randolph) "accomplished"
more, I wonder if a lot of heat might get dissipated if
judgements were made with respect to a particular time.
Thus for the 1960's MLK was infinitely more important every
which way than Malcolm.  Malcolm's message(s) was/were
available to a very small audience.  That the message has
grown and MLK's has declined doesn't tell us anything about
the men and tells us everything about the times.

Norman Miller
nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:12:57 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Reviews on _Malcolm X_
 <92324.152711FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <92325.094218FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92325.094218FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>, <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad
says:
>
>Well. I got my chance to see Malcolm X last night. It was about 3.5 hrs long
>but the movie was worth every bit ofthe publicity (on the positive side) that
>it gets.
>
>I would like to get the movie if it is ever released on video, along w/ Roots.
>They both do very good in explaining the history we face in the US.

A better explanation of (recent) history comes from a viewing of "Eyes on the
Prize" and "Eyes on the Prize II". As for movies, along with Malcolm X I would
recommend "Glory" starring Denezel in one of the best films I've seen.

>
>                      *
>Fred Rozenblad        *  Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
>FKR@psuvm.psu.edu     *
>                      *
>
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From: ktfizazi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kamal Tayeb Fizazi)
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:13:39 GMT

In article <92327.2148352893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy) writes:
>In article <D3wmuB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>(Sam Bhimji) says:
>>
>>peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>>
>>- This coming from the camel-humping Ay-Rab who denies that the Holocaust
>>- even took place.  Wrap your towel up tighter Sam, your brains are sagging.
>>-
>>- You haven't learned anything in 1200 years, since the beginning of Muhammad,
>>- the false prophet.  I urinate on Nasser's grave.
>>-
>>- --Phisrael
>>
>>That's ok, since your holocaust did occur, but it seems like Hitler
>>missed you on his killin' trip...
>>
>As I said before, Stromer may be an idiot but your response is racist and
>disgusting (how would you like it if someone said, ah, too bad the Crusaders
>missed your ancestors?)
>>
>>Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
and I suppose it is ok to say stuff like camel-humping Ay-rab, and call
Muhammad (S) a false prophet, and that we need to wrap our towels tighter (ok,
admittedly it's better than calling them rags!) so that our brains won't sag?
he went through a whole range of insults, very racist I might add, but you 
simply aren't sensitive to them so they are ok?
Kamal

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| D (unya) => the world
al-Sayyid Kamal al-Tayib al-Fizazi al-Idrissi :^)| H (anyah)=> is easy/restful
(I must admit, my baraka is still quite dormant!)| S (ma)   => the sky
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From: sch@unx.sas.com (Steve Holzworth)
Subject: Re: A Coffee-House (now Kinnesaw and sunset laws)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:30:07 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov14.223446.1558@wolves.uucp>, news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes...

>>	Guess again Stevie boy!  The City of Kinnesaw Georgia (that's
>>the USA southern state :-)  has a statue on the books that requires all
>>households in the corporate limits to own a weapon!  (There are some
>>exemptions for various reasons of conscience and such.)

>>	Just a point for the discussion.  It has also been stated that an
>>armed society is a *polite* society.

>There are an amazing number of antiquated and ridiculous laws still on the
>books.  I read a trivia book once with a list of them; I remember some town
>in missouri had a law stating that everyone approaching a cross-roads must 

A further data point: Yes , I am aware of the Kinnesaw law. No, it is NOT
an antique law, it was recently (few years ago) put in place as a knee-jerk
reaction (eg - political statement) in response to all the Northern 
townships that started passing "no-guns" laws. The mayor et al have since
stated that they really didn't expect everyone to buy a gun, but were
intending to make a statement, as indicated above. (Personally, I think there
are enough bogus "politically-motivated" laws on the books already.)

Someone else commented on the desire to have an expiration on laws. There is
somewhere in Europe (Sweden?) that has a mandatory "sunset" law, 
requiring ALL regulations to expire after a certain (small) age. As a result,
unneeded, obsolete laws just drop off the books, without any political
fallout (Imagine someone in N.C. trying to strike down the "crime against
nature" laws - it would be political suicide). A further benefit is that 
this forces an arbitrary upper-limit on the absolute number of laws that
can be passed. It takes too long to reactivate them. I assume also, that they
can't just say "all laws are renewed again", that is, each must be individually
voted in for renewal.


>>Usenet Net News Administrator @ The Wolves Den  (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
>>news@wolves.durham.nc.us  news%wolves@cs.duke.edu  ...duke!wolves!news
>>"The flame war is a specific Usenet art form." --me
>>[This site is not affiliated with Duke University. (Success!) ]
>Word has it Dook is very pleased with this and wouldn't think of letting you
>affiliate yourself with it.  ;^)
--
Steve Holzworth
sch@unx.sas.com
x6872
SAS Institute - Open Systems R & D
Cary, N.C.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:33:08 GMT

In article <ISBELL.92Nov15123151@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>|>You obviously don't understand the logic of this.  One day out  
>|>of school is worth going to see this movie. [...] 
>
>|You know maybe I'm missing something, but why not take them after
>|school or during the weekend?  [...]
>
>Aside from Spike Lee's comments that he did not advocate this and that
>his comment was taken out of context..

Well, I saw him advocating this just two days ago on network TV.  He also
did an interview recently with Pia Lindstrom, who as far as I know, is white.
I think Spike says whatever he thinks will sell movie tickets:
  Controversy --> Publicity --> Ticket Sales
I intend to see the movie in any case, and take my kids, on a weekend.

Barbara Vaughan
From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:33:40 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Friends of Lenny Bruce

        >he [Malcolm Little] saw the meaning of Islam and the true lack 
        >of racism among Muslims. 
        
Yeah right.  Muslims are the most fair of all people.  One need only        
look at any Muslim country to see what a bastion of human rights
looks like.  Many Muslim countries STILL have slavery of blacks
today.  Mauritania and the Sudan immediately come to mind.

Oh, but I know what you're going to say next.  The Arabs are not
practicing TRUE Islam.  Then you'll say that there is NO country
that practices TRUE Islam, but Iran comes close.  Yes, Iran, what
a model society for the rest of us to look up to.  Iran, where they
still have a death threat on some dickhead author for his book
"Satanic Verses".  Iran, where they kidnapped 250 Americans from
the U.S. embassy in Tehran.  What a place...to drop a bomb on.

As Eldridge Cleaver says, "having lived intimately for several years
amongst the Arabs, I know them to be among the most racist people on
earth.  This is particularly true of their attitude toward black
people." -- Boston Herald American, January 1977.
        
        >As a result of this, he [Malcolm Little] became a Sunni and a 
        >more ardent lover of God.

Not the same God that us Zionists believe in.  Saddam is a Sunni.  Is
he also one of your heroes?  Or maybe Gamel Nasser, may his rotting
carcass rot in hell.  Mohammad can kiss my butt.

        >I don't understand is why he is still referred to as Malcolm X, 
        >since he changed his name to an Islamic name after the hajj.

His name is Malcolm Little.  That's what his Mom and Dad named him, and
that's good enough for me.  
        
        >The Earth Pig Bourne....
                   ^^^
aka every Muslim country.
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weeeeeeeeeeeee-hooooooooooo...  some serious flameage is about...
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Opening scene of Malcom X movie
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:59:13 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov17.183201.18006@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,
friedenb@emerald.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>
>I read in the Detroit News today that the opening scene of Spike Lee's
>new move "Malcom X" is the assasination by 3 members of the Nation of
>Islam.  Farrakhan and NOI so far refuse to comment, except that Farrakhan
>asks Spike Lee to portray the information "accurately."
>
>I am interested to see the movie and how Spike Lee represents NOI and
>Farrakhan.
>
>
>
.
.
I suggest, Gedaliah, that you see the flick yourself and contribute
to the discussion.  It opens tomorrow here in California.  Check
your listings.  We'll all have some interesting ideas about Spike's
movie.
.
Although Spike has used the Fruit of Islam as bodyguards and
security while filming and does support Minister Farrakhan
(apparently up to a point), I don't think he's a kneejerker on
everything NOI.  Correct me if I'm wrong, folks.  Bring your own
flame retardant.

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From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:52:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Nov16.105247.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Nov16.141632.11832@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
> In Bauer vs. Hardwick (about 1982 or '83) the Supreme Court upheld Georgia's
> anti-sodomy law.  Mr. Hardwick was arrested in his bedroom (by a policeman who
> had no warrant to enter) and charged with violating Georgia's sodomy law (along
> with his partner).  The case was taken to the U.S. Supreme Court by the State
> of Georgia and the supreme court ruled that even though the policeman had
> invaded Mr. Hardwick's privacy, there were certain things that were so vile
> and therefore prohibited by law (and the church) that privacy was not an
> issue.

Now wait a minute.  I think they did have a warrent, though their
purpose was to search for drugs.  If they didn't have a warrent, they
had probable cause to be in there (for drugs).  I'm pretty cynical
about sodomy laws as well as the War on Drugs (tm) too.  But no reason
to distort the facts.  === Al Sparks
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 22:45:13 EST
From: Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Alarming News
 <1992Nov16.162939.20418@crd.ge.com>

I do not have first hand information.  I'm getting this third hand from
someone who knows a faculty member at SUNY-Albany.  Evidently there was
a young black male found hung in Albany.  At first the death was labelled
a suicide.  The parents objected because that behavior was uncharacteristic
of their son.  At present the investigation is continuing. Until now

there are no witnesses.
    There was a similar case in Columbia Missouri about two years ago.  No
was has been charged in that case.  It is an unsolved case that law enforce-
ment has labelled a suicide.
    Seems like they're doing it in the still of the night.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:48:01 EST
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Black-on-Black Crime


I don't know if this area was ever dealt w/ on this net. At least, I haven't
read many articles on Black-on-Black crime.  I was wondering if anybody would
like to take a crack at some interesting talk about.

We dealt w/ the drug issue quite a few times, and some may say that's a good
reason for increased Black-on-Black crime rate. Some will even say that it's
because deprived conditions that we (blacks) face in the US. Others will still
say it's all "whitey's" fault, etc.

But, I'm interested in wanting to hear what some folx have to say. Any takers?

                    *
Fred Rozenblad      * Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu   *
                    *

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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:10:22 GMT

In article <ISBELL.92Nov15122919@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>|BTW, how many people know that Malcolm X taught that whites were the
>|result of an experiment by a black scientist who wanted to create an
>|evil race of people? I'd bet most people with the X hats and T-shirts
>|don't know about this. It's in the autobiography.
>
>Well, duh.

Malcolm X taught that before he went on hajj. His hajj experience was a
very deep and meaningful spiritual time, and he saw the meaning of Islam
and the true lack of racism among Muslims. As a result of this, he became 
a Sunni and a more ardent lover of God.
I don't understand is why he is still referred to as Malcolm X, since he
changed his name to an Islamic name after the hajj.

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

C(>Subject: Re: Homosexuality

Hi,
of course, I had to answer :-)

C(>>       >Gay people have to take a lot of crap in this society (and most
C(>>       >others).  What do you imagine that gay people would have to gain
C(>>       >by choosing to be gay?
C(>>
C(>>Besides AIDS, not much.

So, why? Do you have a better explanation of it than just by nature?

C(>>Of course there are physiological differences, because gay people have
C(>>AIDS, which changes many things.
C(>>
C(>>       >There is at least some evidence that at least some gay people
C(>>       >ARE born that way.
C(>>
C(>>Especially according to NAMBLA!

I do not judge heterosexuals by such people as Phyllis Schlafly, John
Wayne or that Anita Bryant. Please use the same differentation.

C(>>       >Not eveyone who gets AIDS is gay.
C(>>
C(>>Please name me ONE single famous person that has AIDS who is not also
C(>>a rootslurper.

Magic Johnson, for starters.

C(>>
C(>>       >`homosexuality' is not a synonym for `promiscuity.'
C(>>
C(>>No, but it's a synonym for AIDS carrier.

No. Not every Gay is AIDS carrier. Why do you twist the facts, or what's
your source? There are more heterosexuals carrying AIDS, than Gays. I
want to be protected from them. They screw around without condom. Gays
*DO* practise Safer Sex, Het's don't.

Gross! Almost as gross as C(>>being gay! C(>> C(>>--Philip
"Heterosexual" Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com)

Being Gay is gross as long as people like you exist.


greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * IB6UB9, we'll be fine!
              
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