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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:28:33 GMT

Basic question: If an intermediate (trying to carve turns, basically
skidding them, no real independence of lower body yet...) tried using
high-performance skis (e.g., a high-end Salomon slalom ski) and boots,
would it be HARDER to turn and generally control the skis (assuming a
length appropriate for the ability level) then using lower-end, more
forgiving/ easier flex skis & boots?  Something tells me that it nver
hurts to use high-end stuff, even if you're learning... I know with
golf clubs, once you get past a certain beginning level it definitely
helps to have better clubs - but even there, "shaft flex" is
important; does one have to be at a certain level in order to properly
use stiffer skis & boots????
-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
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From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: >Snowboarders Suck
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:13:40 GMT

leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:

>And you want a response to that? :-)  Well, I agree that quality cannot 
>objectively argued in this instance, and probably I shouldn't have jumpe
>into this foray in the first place.  Certainly what the feeling I get
>from snowboarding is different from what I get from skiing, but that's n
>the point I was trying to make.  I still maintain that you can do more o
>skis than you can on a snowboard, at least when we talk about the whole
>mountain.  We can safely leave half-pipe tricks out of it since I can ju
>include ski ballet against it.  To support my point, then, I brought up
>downhill racing, jumping, and slalom as examples where you can do more
>on skis than you can on a snowboard.  Speed is a big turn on for me,
>and I think a person can go faster down a mountain on skis than on a sno
board.
>Some people prefer air.  Again, I think a person can do more on skis.  S
 tell
>me what things can a person do better on a snowboard than he can on skis

Alright, alright. Personally I feel I can do powder better, tree 
bashing, big air and aerial maneuvers.  I'd also bet in general
a boarder could go faster than a skier in powder.  Oh yea
maybe the biggest advantage of a board over a ski is its ability
to carve a turn.  Did I go and get subjective again?

As an all purpose mountain tool alpine skis are probably better
than a board.  Mountaineering skis are probably better than
alpine skis and a jet powered snowmobile is probably better
than all three.

>>Strive for maximum quality not quantity in your life, but
>>first Leo and Garen will have to get one :-).
>>
>I'm sure you couldn't resist the pun, I know I wouldn't have. I'm smilin
 :-).

Yea I couldn't.


>Leo Dagum

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From: pascaru@dewey.etdesg.trw.com (Ted R. Pascaru 111200 ccC355)
Subject: more whistler where
Organization: TRW, Inc., Redondo Beach...
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:03:34

i need to organize a trip to whistler sometime in late march/early
april.  anyone know where to rent condos (we'll have about 12 people)?
of course, we'd like to be as close to the mountain as possible.  

thanks,
ted
pascaru@etdesg.trw.com
From: bjp@castle.ed.ac.uk (Brian Pendleton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: La Plagne snow conditions
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:21:24 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Ski Bunny Club

Anyone know anything about the current snow conditions in La Plagne?

Any suggestions for the best runs at La Plagne?

No prizes for guessing who's going there at New Year...

Brian Pendleton,
Physics, Edinburgh University,
Scotland -- where it's snowing right now.
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From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Video
Organization: nCUBE
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:07:10 GMT


Anyone knows any source for buying ski videos?
Both instructional and the crazy extremes.
The only one I know of is Warren Miller.





Captain Zod...
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: What about Snowshoe????
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:51:39 GMT

....Help! Those in the know...

....I'm with a group of seven who planned a ski trip to Sugar Mountain for
this weekend. Well, the rain seems to have blown that, so we are gonna go
instead to Snowshoe, where they got about 3 feet of fresh this last week...

...and now i see that Elkins, WV may get flash floods today! I don't have
any access to any ski reports other than what Snowshoe is putting out. Does
anybody know anything about conditions there? 

please respond via email at your earliest convienience, O wise.net.person 
who can answer my question. The rest of you, thanks for the bandwidth...

jim p.

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Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
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From: csg264@cch.coventry.ac.uk ()
Subject: Gastein Valley
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:32:33 GMT

Having read through every article in this newsgroup I notice that there
seems to be a distinct lack of European skiers subscribing. Still I expect
that at least one or two of you will be able to help me. I am spending
Christmas and New Year in Bad Hofgastein,Austria hopefully skiing my brains
out.Has anyone been recently? How does it rate 1 - 10 ? 

All replies appreciated.

Jon Loveland.
From: tom@uts.amdahl.com (Tom Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Lake Tahoe deals 92/93
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:31:12 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

My personal list of best deals for Northern California is:

Donner Ski Ranch: A small area (360 acres, 5 chairs), but with good variety
for its' size.  $20 weekend/holiday, $10 midweek.  Lesson/rental/lift package
for $35/$27.  Kids even cheaper.

Bear Valley:  A fairly large area (1280 acres, 9 chairs), not on the Tahoe 
highways.  The big lower bowls should be great this year.  $20 tickets from
Sav-Mart supermarkets.

Heavenly Valley:  $30 lift tickets from Safeway for Nevada side entry, $34
for California side.

A lot of the smaller areas have discount weekday tickets.  

Me?  I'll probably be at Squaw a lot; with three kids who like to ski, those
$5 kids tickets are hard to pass up.

Tom

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From: launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon - any X-Country skiing there?
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:46:24

If you go to the north rim (not a sure thing, since the roads are not
plowed), there are tons of forest service trails that go right up to
the rim. Info can be gotten at the Forest Service in Kamas.

On the South rim, there are also numerous forest service roads, as
well as the trail past hermit's rest, which is spectacular.  Info with
the Park service.  

Flagstaff has a nice ski area, including an XC ares (two of them, I
think) Info @ Flagstaff tourist center.  There's a French restaurant
in Flagstaff that you should *not* miss if you're a gastronome. Can't
remember the name, but it's the only one.     

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From: lewy@lamer.Corp.Sun.COM (Lew Yobs)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Jackson flights
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:24:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: lewy@lamer.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: lamer.corp.sun.com

>...changed the flights without telling me. This is a warning for 
>anybody who is flying United to check your flights. In fact the only
>flight I can get from Denver to Jackson, WY

A few years ago I had an education regarding the shipping policies of
major carriers into Jackson, WY airport. Seems that due to the normally
bad conditions in the aviation sense combined with a shortish runway
makes for *frequent* luggage seperation from passengers (the airlines
load on the planes only what makes for a safe trip, possibly not all
the luggage associated with the passengers). The local
ski rental outfits love this. 

My own situation was a bit differnet though. We were actually taking a private 
plane into jackson and shipping our gear via American Airlines. We showed up
on Sturday night, some of the gear showed up Moday, some Thursday, some
never saw the light again. The airline told us "freight" had lower priority
than passenger luggage. Apparently "lower priority" was intended to convey
indeterminate delivery -- even though we'd delivered the equipment to them
several days prior to arrival for delivery. Needless to say, the airline 
went on to be very slow in reimbursement for lost equipment and unsympathetic
to rental costs.

** If you want to guarantee the arrival of your gear in Jackson, ship via a 
carrier that will guarantee timely delivery, e.g. UPS. We did see UPS cargo flights
into jackson. **

---

Lew Yobs				
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From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Are "Ladies Skis" really better for women skiers?
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:09:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.205841.55150@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
jl0h@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'v been trying to find the best, and cheapest, skis for my girlfriend (low
> intermediate skier), but I don't know what advantage there would be to what
> some manufacturers are advertising as ladies skis.  Some are just lighter
> versions of other skis, but some also have a shifted binding position.
> 
> -What effect and how much do these skis have as opposed to "regular" skis?

  Last year I checked into women's skis before I bought mine.
  I spoke to women friends who had them, and I read some stuff
  about them.  I wound up buying Head's women's skis, and I
  love them.  I think they are made with a lighter person in
  mind, and the marks for the binding are in a different
  place.  The reason for the difference in binding position,
  is that women have a different center of gravity then men.

  Your girlfriend might also find it easier if she puts heel
  lifts in her boots.  It helps shift her balance.  I read an
  interesting article by a woman who teaches ski clinics for
  women. She, and the women she teaches, found an amazing
  improvement in their skiing after putting heel lifts in
  their boots.  I tried that last year.  That and my new skis
  made an incredible difference in my skiing.


> 
> -My girlfriend was having trouble learning to turn since she is not very
> athletic.  Would this type of ski make turning significantly easier?

  I think so.  As I said above, it made a big difference to
  me.  Does she take any lessons.  That helps a lot too.
  She might want to take a class with only women. A lot of the
  ski resorts now have them.
  
  Head's women skis are called Galas or Elegente.
  (They might have changed the names this year.)

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From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Colorado Avalanche Information
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:26:06 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog) writes:
>Are you more likely to ski an uncontrolled slope when you are wearing
>an avalanche beacon than when you are not?

I almost always ski uncontrolled slopes.  Maybe the question should be
"Are you more likely to ski HAZARDOUS slopes when you are wearing
an avalanche beacon than when you are not?"

If so, my ambiguous answer is, it depends on several factors. There
are four things that go into deciding whether you should ski a slope:

Snow Pack - stability of the snow layers.
Weather - current and recent weather conditions.
Terrian - slope steepness, ground layer (trees, rocks, etc).
Group Dynamics - What are the abilities, motovation, etc. of the people.

>If so, does your use of an avalanche beacon make you safer?

Hmm, the wording is funny.  Are we talking about me being safe because
I am wearing a beacon or that wearing a becaon might make me feel
safer?  Wearing a becon is not going to make skiing a slope safer nor
is it going reduce the chance that I am going to burried if the slope
slides.  What is going to do is INCREASE the chances that my friends
are going to find me before I die.  Yes, this is an added safety item
but it does not make me nor the skiing safer.  Not skiing the slope or
blasting the slope will make things safer.

Now ask yourself this question, are you safer skiing by yourself or
with others ?  (Think about group dynamics).


Cheers,

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah


"More good skiing has been ruined by a hasty pit than by an avalanches"

	- My friend Billy
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From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Subject: How to parallel in  powder on pins
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:00:17 GMT

Anyone have any wisdom on how someone who is a good telemarker but
never did any fixed-heel skiing should go about developing a parallel
turn that works in powder? I'm able to carve linked tele's in fairly
steep terrain (Granite Chief, KT-22, Greely Bowl, etc.) but even on
easy blue slopes, when I try to parallel, my skis just go straight.
I have some kind of christy/parallel/gorilla turn that I use on hard
snow but apparently the technique I'm using is too spastic to work in
powder.

Any drills or exercises I should try?


-- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
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From: rvn@icd.teradyne.com (Rafael Vidaillet)
Subject: Re: questions about N.E. usa skiing
Reply-To: rvn@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:12:05 GMT

	I have only been to Loon. It used to be my favorite, but I'm starting
to go to VT (I'm a much better skier now). In VT they usually have better 
conditions (less ice).  Here is some info from a brochure I have:
 
 	Loon:
 		Vertical Drop= 2,100'
 		Trails = 40
 			11 Novice
 			20 Int.
 			10 Expert
 		Snomaking = 85%
 		Lifts = 9
 		
 	Anyways, I would prefer VT skiing in general... Mt. Snow, Pico, Killington..
 	(I have had many people recommend Sunday River MN and Okimo in VT)
 	
 _RV
 	
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From: bbs.pucon@tsoft.net (Ivan Munoz)
Subject: Sun Valley
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:26:15 GMT

Hi Everyone,

Can someone tell me how long will it take to drive from San Francisco to 
Sun Valley?  Also, I need some ideas of places to stay, nothing fancy but 
clean, in the $30 or less per night.
I am planning to go there Sunday Dec 27 until Dec 31.

Thank you for your help... could you please e-mail me at
ivan@noticia.bolis.sf-bay.org

Chao

Ivan

--
Ivan Munoz (bbs.pucon@tsoft.net)
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From: kettyle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.jr.kettyle)
Subject: Poconos, How are they?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:04:34 GMT

Okay I was swamped with water at the shore and don't know the outcome
of the snow in the Poconos. Is is good now? Is it worth a two hour drive
there to go skiing for a day? Can anyone comment, please.

Thanks for any and all info on PA, NJ, and NY ski conditions.


John Kettyle, Jr.
Kettyle Associates
185 Mechanic St.
Red Bank NJ 07701

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It is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be ACHIEVED!
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From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Subject: Re: Measure Speed? (was Re: Learn on short or long skis?)
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:38:02 GMT

Here in Sweden there's a thing called "the Flying hundred". They put up two 
photo cells a meter from each other, and measure the time difference. You pay
them I think it was 50 kr (about 10 buck s according to official exchange 
rates) and then get to ski down the run. I got up to 88 km/h, which surprised 
mea lot, since it didn't seem that fast to me. In fact, I wasn't going full 
tilt because I felt that the space reserved for braking was a bit small.


cheers

--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"Another casualty of applied meta-physics!" -- Hobbes
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From: meharg@fraser.sfu.ca (Gersham William Meharg)
Subject: Re: Whistler where?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:27:48 GMT

bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) writes:

>We're thinking of going in early April.  What's the weather like then?  Storms 
>easing up or can it still be brutal?
>Also, know of any cheap places to stay up there?

>Beverly M. Zalan
>bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com

Ah, someone who has not experienced the humidity of BC. This area is a
temperate rainforest. Still, the weather may be good.

I dont really know of any cheap places to stay in Whistler since its a
2.5hr drive from where I live. I dont think there are many cheap
places at Whistler, its an expensive resort (last time I checked, lift
tickets were $48).

Gersham Meharg
SFU, Vancouver
Canada
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Volant skis?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:50:33 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <92350.215130ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
|> Seems I can get a good deal on Volant skis, but I haven't had a chance
|> to demo them. Can anyone tell me something about the FX-2 and the FX-3?
|> (ie, have you skied them, how were they? Handeling characteristics?)
|> Also, what are the list and typical selling prices?
|> 
|> Thanks.

I tried the FX-3 at the recent demo day at Whiteface in NY.  The
conditions were very "New England", (man made on top of hard pack/
boiler plate).  IMHO these skis were scary.  They turned quite nicely
(a little strong in the tail for my liking though), but they wouldn't
hold an edge to save their lives.  The tips were constantly "falling
off" my line.  I had to work real hard just to get down the hill without
hurting myself or someone else.  I couldn't wait to get off them.  When I
turned them in, the rep was very apologetic and wanted to put me on a 
different pair, he thought the tuning must have been real poor.  He may have 
been right but I wanted nothing to do with these skis again.  No Sale.
It was a very nice feeling to get back on my Dynaaster Course Sl's (which
track much better even when in desperate need of a tune up).

Just my $.02.  Take it for what its worth.

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge MA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Vail Conditions
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:33:37 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   
Distribution: all

I'll be out to CO starting December 26th for my little ski break.  Please  
e-mail me any relevant conditions so that i can form my short time there  
around the snow dumps.

Thank you

censtad@nic.gac.edu
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: N.Tahoe Conditions, etc. ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:26:23 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1gan0oINNh1d@agate.berkeley.edu> ellen@opua.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen M. Sentovich) writes:
>
>but they manage to get it open on the weekends.  I have been there many
>times on weekdays when Olympic Lady never opened (and heavy snow was
>not the reason).  The lift tickets cost the same on the weekdays, but the


So just cut over from KT-22 or Red Dog and you're there.

I love the runs off OLady....




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From: roakes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rick Oakes)
Subject: Re: Snow reports for PA and MD?
Followup-To: rec.skiing
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 08:05:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.183140.18224@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
>I tried connecting to madlab.sprl.umich.edu 3000, but they had no information
>for ski resorts in Pennsylvania and Maryland.  Is there any other on-line
>source for up to date snow reports?

I had just the opposite problem today.  I saw a note about ski
condition reports on CompuServe, and checked it out.  This is
in the AP news section (GO APO), sports, Olympic & other sports;
They listed a LOT of (to me) obscure areas from Maine to the 
Carolinas, but NOTHING west of the Mississippi River.

For a national wire service, this seemed a little strange to me.

And to your question, it appears that only one area is open in 
Maryland; several Pennsylvania areas were listed.  

--
Rick Oakes				CompuServe:  70475,333

	rick@reo.alphai.org     
	or   roakes@nyx.cs.du.edu
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