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From: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: ATonce Plus & the A1200
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:55:22 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <1ebcrhINNb0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox) writes:
>
>I don't suppose anyone knows whether they will work together??
>
No they won't.  This that work on the "external ports" on the A500 won't work
on the A500.  The bottom slot in the A500 is not compatible with the 32 bit, 
14 Mhz slot on the A1200.  Anything that goes under the 68000 chip on a 500
won't work on aa A1200.  The A1200 uses a '020 (different shape) and is
surface mounted, anyway.

>Also, does anyone use their ATonce with an A500 and an accelerator?
>
>Mike
>-- 

I can't believe it, a post about something OTHER than emplant!  I thought this
board had become an extension of UU's bulletin board.  What about that "policy"
that says that usenet is not to be used for commercial purposes?  Selective
application?

Kevin
kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: "rob salerno" <rob.salerno@canrem.com>
Subject: emplant and drives
Reply-To: "rob salerno" <rob.salerno@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 21 Nov 92 11:32:15 EST

Okay so I haven't been able to get sybil to work and Joe at UU says he
is sending out a new one.  There was also a strange message on the UU
board  stating that for those people who haven't gotten it working send
it back because they didn't send the jumpers.  Those who haven't gotten
it working might want to call UU or its BBS to verify this.

Another thing.  For those of you who have gotten emplant to work did you
use it with the sybil unit or did you use an A-max formatted diskette.
According to the documentation you can use a a-max formatted diskette, a
mac diskette (if sybil works) or an emplant diskette.  I've tried using
an a-max diskette with no success.  The same diskette will boot up my
A-max but will not work in Emplant.

I get up to the Welcome to MAC screen ( or the Welcome to emplant
screen) where it requests a diskette.  When a put the A-max diskette in
it spits it out.

I've tried to convert the A-max diskette to an emplant diskette using
the converter program but it keeps telling me the diskette is bad.

Anyone have any suggestions.


Thanks Rob

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From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: I HAVE EMPLANT!
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:24:59 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Sat 14 Nov 92  4:52, Trb3@ra.msstate.edu (tony R. Boutwe
wrote:

 TRB> I have the Emplant board....it was delivered about 10 min ago....
 TRB> the manual is of the Photocopy style....and it shows a picture
 TRB> of a Mac II on it with the EMPLANT board sitting on top of it...
 TRB> I would love to sit and chat....but...you know....I will try to
 TRB> post up tonight on how easy/hard it is to install...and if it
 TRB> works.....(how well)....

I propose a toast to UU and Jim in particular!

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From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: CC for Emplant not charged yet
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:24:59 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Sat 14 Nov 92  4:52, Kend@data.rain.com (ken Dickey)
wrote:

 KD> Again, I don't know the circumstances, but I suspect that Jim is not
 KD> answering his mail for the simple reason that he and everyone around
 KD> him is working 20+ hour days to get something fixed so that you can
 KD> have a clean release.
 KD> ...just a suspicion

That's what I believe too.  And working 20+ hours per day isn't really
funny!

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: I got Emplant Working!!!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:54:43 GMT

Personally, I intend to purchase Emplant as soon as I get together a
couple of thousand and buy a 4000, early next year... then I intend to
show it off to all my friends, and point out how much cheaper a 4000
is than any other '040 Mac option... I'm pretty sure that by that
point, things should be stable.  My question is, what is happening with
the x86 emulation?  Or should I plan on getting a Vortex 486SLC too?

Thom

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From: jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Subject: Re: Need info on 'EMPLANT'
Organization: Lotus Development Ireland
	<1992Nov20.141314.3172@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>
	<1992Nov20.172158.15419@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:43:37 GMT

Um... Ok, thanks for bringing me up-to-date on the political ramifications.
Does someone want to tell me what this thing actually *does* now? :-)

					Jordan
From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT - anyone got it running ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.27 beta (Nov 22 1992)
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:29:02 PDT
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR


> Just remember one thing, you developed a hardware product and wrote software
> for it for an OS that in a very short time, will no longer be supported *at
> all*.  Considering that the price of A3000s are under $1500, there is no excuse
> as to why Emplant wasn't tested on an A3000.  There is even less of an excuse
> as to why Emplant wasn't tested on 2.0.  Most Amiga users today who plunk down
> the $$ for peripherals of any kind most likely already have upgraded to 2.0
> some time ago.  An informal survey of our User Group showed about 70% of all
> the users ran 2.04.  These are the same users who are willing to pay for things
> like accelerators, hard drives, RAM, and *Emplants*.  Maybe you didn't know the
> problem existed.  Fine.  However, you *should* have anticipated this sort of
> problem.  Had you bought an A3000 and tested the software on an A3000, most of
> the compatibility problems that have occurred with accelerators, Hard drives,
> 2.0, etc., would have been cured.  I *was* going to buy an Emplant for my
> A3000, and I *wasn't* screaming on the net about how Emplant had failed to
> deliver, but now that it is shipping, I see that Emplant is incapable of
> running on 2.X/A3000 systems, and as a result, I won't buy it.
>  
> John
 
Huh?  There is not a problem with OS2.0 or OS3.0, there never has been a
problem with the OS.  All of our test machines (except for mine, as I
don't use 2.0 because it is slower than 1.3 for lock{}ing files) run
KS37.175 in ROM and disk-kicked.
 
The problem we had was with the A3000's memory configuration.  Yes, we
should have tested it on the A3000, however, since moving (the main way
we generated enough capital to produce this thing) I haven't had access
to an A3000, and not enough capital left to purchase one.  We still have
everyone's money from their EMPLANT orders sitting in the bank, just in
case there was a problem and refunds were to be issued.  When things are
calm, we will buy test equipment (and maybe some new clothes too!), but
until then, we are prepared for the worst.
 
The problem with the A3000 was easy enough to fix, and perhaps I have
found a few new trust-worthy beta testers too.


Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
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           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
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From: tww2568@venus.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM)
Subject: GVP 386SX Emulator
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:03:00 GMT


I have an A500 GVP SeriesII HD+ adaptor with the custom expansion slot in
it and have eye balling the 286 emulator for wuite some time now.  

I would RATHER have a 386SX emulator and know that it is feasible since only
a 16 bit data path is needed on an SX system.

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF GVP/VORTEX IS PLANNING ON RELEASING SUCH A BEAST?

sincerely...

                              Thomas Weeks

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:29:45 GMT

In article <doctor.05e9@k9.UUCP> doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe) writes:
> 
>> Oh please. Anyone who had any delusions about emulating a Mac on a 68k
>> should have seen this coming. How much is a 25 MHz '030 accelerator going
>> for these days -- $250 list, or about the same as the Emplant. 
>                    ^^^^^^^^^
>This is a typo, right? If not, tell me more about what 25 MHz '030 accelerator
>lists for $250.

No, this was correct. CSA has recently released the Derringer, a 25 MHz 68030
accelerator with support for up to 8 MB of DRAM, together with a 50 MHz
68881 or 68882 FPU. It's available for the A500 or A2000. Quite a bargain for
$250 list.

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From: hemenovr@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Fishboy)
Subject: Sybil
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:11:58 GMT

For anyone intersted or with questions I own a Sybil and have no problems with it   
at all. I can be e-mailed at seth@clewis.ws.cc.cmu.edu if you need some help or have a quest     
have a question.
Seth
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From: wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner)
Subject: Re: Need info on 'EMPLANT'
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:21:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.141314.3172@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> pmancini@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Peter Mancini) writes:
>
>	If you have any sense and/or a desire to not have to read curse
>ridden flames then you will add EMPLANT to your kill file.  
What about BridgeBoard, PC-task, IBem, Amax, etc, they've *ALL* had they're
share of bandwidth on this newsgroup.  Many of them appear in my "KILL" file
also.  I especially don't need to hear about machine specific hardware for
500,1000,1200,2000,4000's since I only have one machine!  (guess which one?)

My question to you is:
If you've got "EMPLANT" in your kill file, why are you reading this?
Maybe you got it backwards and put all the topics in your kill file 
that you actually wanted to read.  Doesn't work that way!  8)
That would explain your poor S/N ratio.

Come on folks (people not wanting to hear about emplant stuff)
I've waded through my share of Bridge-Board controversy/flame stuff, too.
It's our turn now. Be patient and/or put EMPLANT in your kill file.
You'll never know we're even here!!

>Also, if you read, say 5 posts you'll have read the entire thread. 
>All the article do is repeat the same garbage.  Trust me, the S/N ratio
>on this is low in the EXTREAM.

Then stop reading them.

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From: dewald@plains.NoDak.edu (Eric Dewald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: AtOnce Plus 3.0
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:14:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bxtv0C.J3z
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Dwill
ll someone please upload a version of AtOnce + 3.0 to an
FTP site. AtOnce+2.34 is currently at wuarchive.wustl.edu
it is as good as any place to put it. in the drawer
systems/amiga/incoming/misc
 Thanks in advance
 Eric Dewald
 North Dakota is a cold place to be...
  ...if you dishonest!!!
From: koolkid@carson.u.washington.edu (Only the Best!!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant arghhhhh.
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:26:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.012622.11655
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Nicely stated. . .   Is that the new verdict on the new Emplant boards?
From: cs430117@ucs.usl.edu (Castor Christian A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant, sybil, and ???
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:36:41 GMT
Organization: Univ. of SW Louisiana, Lafayette

In article <jdrew.0jm7@cryo.rain.com> jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) writes:
>   My reputation stands...

Which reputation?


            -- C.
From: blanke@bigboy (Mark Blanke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:53:29 GMT
Organization: Temple University

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
: In article <69713@cup.portal.com> jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris) writes:
: Does anyone know if the Emplant system will support IIci ROM's? I've seen
: mention of II,IIx,IIcx. The one thing these have in common is that they are
: not 32 bit clean (can get Mode32 from ftp.apple.com to fix that).
: 
: Anyway, have fun with the Emplant system( and your Amiga).
:  
I talked to Joe yesterday and he said he can't wait to move onto the
IIci and IIsi versions.  One of the biggest problems getting the
Empland to work in recent days was caused by a conflict of the II,IIx,IICx
not being 2 bit clean.  Joe said his accelerator took care of the problem
and that is why the software worked for him and not for the general public.
He said if he had a IIci IIsi emulator, this would not have been a problem.

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From: doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:30:09 GMT
Organization: Mostly Harmless...
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16g (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov19.034017.7740@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
> In article <92323.190930DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
> >>What features were pulled?  SCSI?  Disabled because of software bugs.  Hmm...
> >>what else?
> 
> >68000 support.
> 
> Oh please. Anyone who had any delusions about emulating a Mac on a 68k
> should have seen this coming. How much is a 25 MHz '030 accelerator going
> for these days -- $250 list, or about the same as the Emplant. 
                    ^^^^^^^^^
This is a typo, right? If not, tell me more about what 25 MHz '030 accelerator
lists for $250.

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From: simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:00:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <tpang.722169828@sfu.ca> tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang) writes:
>I don't understand this, I read all these complaints on usenet about UU
>and Emplant, but not much defence on the other side. Now I posted, I got
>all these 'dumb', 'childish', should not 'bitch', negative, sarcastic
>etc. May be you are right, I think we are all tired of all these negative
>sarcastic, posts, probably especially mine. But who causes all these?
>Is it our fault? Did we make up all these complaints?

I don't think it's bad to post problems about a product.  In fact, I'd rather
see such posts, because it makes me aware of the product.  The thing is, too
many people just complain and argue about something to a public that can't
help them.  If they want to make us aware of problems, then just do that.  No
need to whine and gripe.  Every product will have its faults, but making them
known is much more helpful than ranting and raving about the problem to the
general public, since we can't do a thing for them.  Are we supposed to
sympathize and give them money?  A lot of these complainers don't even own
the product.  They read other people's posts, hear their problems and then
complain for the people who owns an Emplant or whatever.  Most of the owners
of Emplant have been pretty calm, with some exceptions, but the main culprits
are those who don't even own it.

>Simon, do you know Oleg at AMUG at UCSD? :)

I think so.  Does he have an accent?

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From: gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Heinz)
Subject: C64 emulator on pc?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:08:07 GMT

Does anyone have any knowledge of a C64
emulator on the IBM?

	Thanks,
	George Heinz
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From: ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang)
Subject: Cyrix 486SLC
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:28:47 GMT

I've seen a lot a posts about the Golden Gate 486 board and thought I'd do
a bit of digging to find out a bit more about the Cyrix 486SLC chips.

Here's a edited copy of a posting that I dug up.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Jim Fang

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From: ins499y@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Deeran Peethamparam)
Subject: Re: 486 CPU
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1992 14:41:25 GMT

[quotes removed]

OK.  Here's an excerpt from a net article by Norbert Juffa, available via
anonymous ftp from archie.au as micros/pc/garbo/pc/doc-hard/proccmp2.zip.

"The Cyrix 486DLX is the latest entry into the market of 386DX replacements.
It features a 486SX compatible instruction set, a 1kB on-chip cache, and a
16x16 bit hardware multiplier. The RISC-like execution unit of the 486DLC
executes many instructions in a single clock cycle. The hardware multiplier
multiplies 16-bit quantities in 3 clock cycles, as compared to 12-25 cycles
on a standard Intel 386DX. This is especially useful in address calculations
(code from non-optimizing compilers may contain many MUL instructions for
array accesses) and for software floating-point arithmetic (eg., a co-processor
emulator). The 1kB cache helps the 486DLC to overcome the limitations of the
386 bus interface, although its hit rate averages only about 65% under normal
program conditions."

He also ran a series of tests comparing the Intel RapidCad (actually two
chips, a 486DX with a 386DX pinout and a PLA for the co-processor socket,
in effect a 386DX running 486DX code with a co-processor), the Chips and
Technologies 38600DX, the Cyrix 486DLX, and the standard Intel 386DX.

With the 387DX co-processor installed for the non-co-processing chips,
it appears that the Cyrix chip beats the pants off the others in integer
operations and under "normal" program operation.  Naturally, the Intel
RapidCad, with its on-board co-processor, was much faster in the floating
point operations.

The Cyrix chip comes close to a 486DX running at 33MHz, about 80% of its
speed in integer ops, but nowhere close for floating point operations.

My opinion?  A little competition for Intel in the 386/486DX marketplace
can't hurt at all......

Try the net doc for more info, specifically the numerical data.  It's
1:40 am, and I only have a printout of the net doc, I'm not about to
key in all of the data table.....

DP
From: earthman@cup.portal.com (Adam Job Silverstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 18:56:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69713@cup.portal.com> <2115@celia.UUCP> <69827@cup.portal.com>

>>YEAH!!!! Now for some questions:
>>
>>1) Are you running your emulation off a Sybil or Mac disk drive?
>>2) What Version of the Mac you running 6 or 7?
>>3) What is your minimum configuration?
>>4) How slow? Mac slow or slower?
>>5) Are you using 1.3 or 2.0?
>
>1.  An AMAX disk.  I can't get my Sybil to work, and there is no place to
>attach a Mac drive.
>2.  System 6.0.5, although I will try new system versions when I can get
>them.  Does anybody know how System 7 can be xfered through floppies?

Easiest way to do this is use shareware software like Compress1.3,
which allows saving in compressed or non-compressed format across multti
floppies, which helps to get that 1+ meg system folder over.  (Assuming
you have access to a mac with system 7 on it)  Let me know
if you can't get Compress or are still having trouble getting Sys 7
I can email you the compress software.

...rest deleted... 

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Golden Gate 486!!
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:59:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.070314.5675@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
 
>	But, to have a setup comparable to a PC clone in all aspects, you
>	would still need a VGA card, and a dedicated hard drive and 
>	controller.

The VGA card is unfortunately a given at the moment, but the information I've
received indicates that the Vortex card has an on-board IDE HD interface and
you have the option of using an Amiga DOS partition.

>That also takes up two slots and a drive bay inside your Amiga. Then you
>will also need a monitor switcher box.

You wouldn't actually need to buy an extra monitor however, as the Vortex
PC emulator doesn't operate as an Amiga task. Using their switchbox you can
hotkey from one display to the other.

>	Thus add another $50+$300+$100+$30=$480.  For ~$900.00 you can by 
>	a complete no-name 386sx clone with HD and monitor!!

It amounts to a tradeoff. To be useful, you'd need a switchbox and an
integrated SVGA/multifunction card.

>Sorry,  I'm in a bit of a BB-bashing mood since I found the A2286s hardware
>bugs.

I can sympathize with that one :).

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