From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
Subject: Re: "Trivial" Felonies (Was: Zoe Baird, Support Her !!!!!!!!!!)
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:49:38 GMT

Angelia Sparrow (asparrow@cs.umr.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan25.215040.1073@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
: >What I find interesting is that this appointment was supposed to be ground
: >breaking in that Baird would have been the first woman in the AG role. She
: >was a good example of a woman balancing her career and family life. So
: >what do they "get" her on? Her means of procuring child care so that she
: >could further her career. I don't consider this a coincidence. The so-called
: >family values types have always looked askance at daycare as an enabler of
: >"the breakup of the American family," i.e., it allows mothers to compete
: >in the workplace. I attribute the flap about her daycare to the same cause
: >as the railing about Clinton's "draft dodging," pot smoking, whatever: it's
: >the death rattle of the old order as it's fading from power. The
: >hippie/yuppie/whatever-diminutive-you-like generation is here: get used
: >to it. :-)
: >
: 
: But Joe,
: It's a classist thing.  I'd have had more
: sympathy if they weren't making half a million a year!
: My husband makes less than $20,000 and I can afford to stay 
: home.  I do work, as a freelance writer.     
: 

Why are people so jealous of how much money others make?  Sheesh.

: Mrs. Baird's going off and leaving an 8 month old baby 
: so that she can work is pure selfishness.  If you want

Hate to break the news to you but EVERYONE is selfish.  It seems
to me that each generation gets MORE selfish (this is my own 
opinion).

: to work, you work.  If you want babies, you don't
: work unless it's a matter of survival (outside the home that
: is).  I see her insistance on a career as sexist.  it contributes
: to a devaluation of women's jobs by emphasizing that outside
: work is more stimulating than the processof loving, guiding
: and nurturing a little life.  
: 

Some people are NOT good at parenting.  And maybe people have a
lot of passion for the work they do.

: Having said all that, I believe we need a daycare system implemented.
: We are the only civilized country without one.  It's
: like our medical system.  It should not cost me more to work
: outside the home than I would make.  (On a minimum wage job, all
: that is available in this town, I would be going in the hole on
: child-care.  If I work in the evenings when my husband is home,
: it could damage our marriage.)
: 

Life is full of choices.  My heart bleeds for you, but my wallet
does not.  Maybe you could take some nightschool classes, one
night a week, and get skills so you can get a higher paying job
than minimum wage.

: Get a clue!  There's a difference between reform and socialism.
: Or is everyone too mired in dreams of the good old days of
: the Industrial Revolution to see that?
: 

Reform?  Reform of what?  Where is the money going to come from for 
day care?  Whatever money we got now is going to be focused on
eliminating the already way too much money we spend on social 
programs each year.

: Angel, not supporting Baird, but knowing what she did and why.
: 
: 

I think I understand why she did what she did and I have no problem
with it.  I would have to ask the people she hired if they were
unhappy with the arrangement before I really could judge if they
were being taken advantage of.  On the one hand, she didn't pay them
much.  But on the other, they may have done a lot worse picking
vegatables or whatever.  And perhaps Zoe really liked these people,
and felt she was doing them a favor.

If she really was the best person to do the job, and would have
done great things for the country, we lose by not having her
do the job.  And like it or not, Clinton is the man who micromanaged
the cabinet selections and chose her.

I do not support her and would not have picked her in the first place.
But that's my opinion.
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