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From: johnd@us-es.sel.de (John Donaghy case bau60)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Query: HOOD
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:40:30 GMT
Organization: SEL-Alcatel LTS Dept. US/ES

HOOD is supported by the HOOD User Group, who maintain the HOOD
Reference and User Manuals, but I understand the distribution is
through Prentice Hall International.

The only published book devoted to HOOD that I know of is in French:
`Conception Orientee Objet: Practique de la Methode HOOD' by Michel Lai
(Dunod Informatique, Paris).

An English language book will be published (Spring 93?) by Prentice Hall International.

A brief discussion of HOOD and other `OO' methods appears in Ian Graham's
1991 book, `Object Oriented Methods' (Addison-Wesley).

There are a number of papers on the method, its application and criticisms
(too numerous to mention here).

If you need more details, mail me.

Regards, John.
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: ISO 9000 Standards 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 11:22:22 +0000


In article <2535@cronos.metaphor.com> emg@Metaphor.COM writes:

>
>Anyway, my colleagues and I have heard a lot of rumors, a little fact, and
>a lot of fiction about the importance and/or necessity of being ISO 9000
>compliant/certified.  Yet I still cannot honestly say I can judge whether
>or not my company really needs to be concerned.  It has not yet been an issue
>with customers and we do sell in Europe.
>
>
A major consideration for European companies, many of which are
going for ISO 9000 or national equivalents is a legal consideration.
Under EEC legislation you have a duty to show that you have not
been negligent when producing software.  Compliance with ISO 9000
is a prima facia defence in cases of negligence accusations.  It's
not cast iron, but it helps.

Also increasingly European Governmental departments are insisiting
that suppliers be ISO 9000 certificated.  This means that they will
be looking to their suppliers to be certificated.

Nigel
>
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From: kotula@milli.cs.umn.edu (Jeff Kotula)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: project tracking software
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:46:39 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota


This is a shot in the dark...  Does anyone know of any freeware for
project management/tracking?  Preferably with ability to recalculate
dates automatically.

Thanks in advance.

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From: wes@arissoft.com (Wesley C. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Test Evaluation Tool (TET)
Keywords: Test Evaluation Tool (TET)
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:54:32 GMT
Reply-To: wes@arissoft.com

Does anyone know where to find a copy of the Test Evaluation Tool (TET)  
test harness.  I was under the impression that TET was public domain, but  
i have been unable to find a copy on any of the archive sites.

Thanks in advance,

--
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ArisSoft Development Corp.
9513 Burnet Rd. Suite 206
Austin TX, 78758
(512) 836-1232
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From: fahyg@ul.ie
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Z80 disassembler
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:31:07 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

I hope this is the right news group for this. What I am
looking for is a Z80 Disambler. I would appreciate if
you could advise me on wheter one exists in any of the
anonymous FTP site.

As I am using a friends account for this could you please
send any replies to ...


Mooreb@ul.ie

Thanking you in advance,

Ben Moore
University of Limerick
Ireland
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: wai@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Julian Wai)
Subject: CASE  Data Interchange Format
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  7 Sep 92 03:20:48 GMT

Hi,

I've heard about the CDIF (Case Data Interchange Format) from another news
group, can someone tell me what exactly it is?  Is there a International
or Industry standard???  Are there any books, papers, information that
describe this format.

Thanks,
julian
wai@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: s923269@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chan Po Law)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Help me about CASE tools!
Summary: Help about CASE tools!
Keywords: CASE tools!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:27:00 GMT

G'day, mate!  Is anyone know anything about CASE tools?  Or is there anyone
who have some articles about CASE tools?  Please let me know or send those
articles to me if possible!  

Thanks you very much for your help!!!

Catch you later!!

Paul.

Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: ewoods@hemel.bull.co.uk (Eoin Woods)
Subject: Re: Query: HOOD
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:10:56 GMT

jacob@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jacob L. Cybulski) writes:

>Where do I get the HOOD specification from?
>Any publically available articles or book chapters covering it?

	"Object Oriented Design", Editor P. Robinson,
	  UNICOM Seminars Ltd, 1992. (65 GBP)

The HOOD 3 reference manual is an appendix.

UNICOM's Fax number is +44-895-813095.

Eoin.
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Statistical Process Control (SPC) 
From: biz@n6batws1.itwol.bhp.com.au (Michael Birrell)
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:48:27 +1000
Distribution: world
Organization: BHP Steel - Slab and Plate Products Division - Port Kembla AUSTRALIA
Keywords: Statistical Process Control (SPC) 

Gidday,
We are looking for a Statistical Process Control Package with the following
features
	Unix and X windows based
	Graphical based with the usual goodies
	Charting such as XBAR and Range, XBAR and sigma,
		PCHART, Pareto diagram, scatter plots
	Flat file input

I have seen a product by FoxBoro and wanted to see if there are similar packages
available and would appreciate any assistance.

Regards

Mike Birrell
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: bob@cs.vu.nl (Fikke RJ)
Subject: asking software reuse information
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:49:57 GMT


Currently I am working on my graduation project at the
Vrije Universiteit of Amsterdam. It is called "Critical
Succes Factors of Software Reuse". I hope to formulate
a limited number of areas in which results if they are
satisfactory will ensure succesful software reuse.

Maybe you have some suggestions or information that
may be helpful for my project.
Would you be so kind to send any relevant information to:

(email)		bob@cs.vu.nl

or:
		Rene' Fikke
		c/o Vrije Universiteit,
		Faculteit Wiskunde en Informatica,
		De Boelelaan 1081a,
		1081 HV  Amsterdam


Thanks in advance,
	Rene' Fikke
From: daves@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dave Straker)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:32:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Software psychology and the role of temperment in the programming team
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng

>
>       ...  A key ingredient in any team (IMO) is respect for
>       one another, and willingness to communicate and collaborate
>       to achieve a common well-defined goal.
>
>This is one of the few things that costs nothing and benefits every
>team member(*), and the team as a whole, just as soon as it is provided.

Agreed. But this is more a function of management than individual
will. Or perhaps I should say leadership.

Dave Straker            Pinewood Information Systems Division (PWD not PISD)
(}-8]                   HPDESK: David Straker/HP1600/01
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: chriss@mdd.comm.mot.com (Chris Scholefield)
Subject: CASE Tools Wanted
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:11:43 GMT

Over the last few years I have been teaching a Real-time Software 
Engineering course at the University of British Columbia.  My emphasis has 
been on the use of methodologies such as Ward/Mellor and Hatley/Pirbhai.

My students have always complained that their work is somewhat cumbersome
without the aid of CASE tools.  Since we don't have sufficient budget 
to purchase one of the many commercial tools available, I wonder
what public domain unix tools are available.

Any advice would be appreciated.


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From: flemmon@lemmon.auspex.com (Frank Lemmon)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Test Evaluation Tool (TET)
Keywords: Test Evaluation Tool (TET)
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:14:28 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

> Does anyone know where to find a copy of the Test Evaluation Tool (TET)  
> test harness.  I was under the impression that TET was public domain, but  
> i have been unable to find a copy on any of the archive sites.

TET is an Open Software Foundation (OSF) product.  I believe it is free
to OSF members.  You'll have to contact OSF directly.  I don't have
their address handy (sorry).

F.L.
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: lip@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Tony Lipworth)
Subject: tools for software metrics:info reqd.
Summary: information on public domain software tools
Keywords: software tools
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:34:18 GMT


Hi,
I am searching for public domain tools which produce cost, complexity, 
maintainability and similar metrics for FORTRAN and Pascal programs for 
research purposes.  If anybody knows of any such packages and FTP sites
where they can be retrieved from I would be most grateful.  Please e-mail
replies to LIP@odie.ee.wits.ac.za
Thank you
Tony. 
  
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: paulc@research.canon.oz.au (Paul Chisholm)
Subject: Configuration Management
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:06:36 GMT

I have been given the task of investigating configuration management tools with  
a view to obtaining an off-the-shelf system.  I'm looking for info on any  
available CM tools:
    - must run on Sun and/or NeXT
    - ideally has a graphical and a command line interface (if, for example,
      we get a tool which runs on Sun, NeXT users need to be able to log in
      to the Sun in a shell window and use the tool)
    - really need a configuration management tool, version control is not
      sufficient

I believe there was a discussion on this topic recently, so if someone could  
just mail me a summary I would be grateful.

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PO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113               | Fax   +61-2-805-2929
Newsgroups: comp.text,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Sm@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Scott Merrilees)
Subject: RTF Documentation
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:10:48 GMT

I've been trying to extract a picture from a MS-WORD document.
I've extracted it in rtf format, and it looks kind of ok, but there
seems to be more bytes in the bitmap than would be needed satisfy
the width and height.  So ... I was looking for a the spec for RTF
so that I might find out what is being presented to me.

Any pointers ?

Thanks, Sm
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Xref: sparky comp.text:1189 comp.std.internat:649
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: comp.text,comp.std.internat
Subject: /usr/lib/eign for other languages
Followup-To: comp.text
Date: 10 Sep 1992 18:29:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

Could anybody provide me with a list of the most common words
in any language besides English?  Something that could replace
/usr/lib/eign, which is a list of the 150 most common English
words?  I don't necessarily need 150; even 50 would be plenty.
Thanks in advance.

Bill Tuthill
tut@sun.com
From: jonas@ipcsun5.his.se (Jonas Mellin)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Framemaker Binary format compatibility
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:59:15 GMT
Organization: University of Skoevde, Skoevde


How compatible are the binary formats of a version of FM between
different platforms, e.g. SPARC and MS-Windows?

/Jonas
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From: smr@hitkw14.pki-nbg.philips.de (S.Riehm)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Spell checker "feature"
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:53:54 GMT

ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch) writes:

>For instance, it would flag "sh*t" and suggest:
>	fecal matter
>	feces
>	doo-doo
>	poop

>Of course, you could turn this option off.  That way, you could write anything
>you wanted, as long as you spelled it correctly.

I am glad you added that option, saying:
	"The 'doo-doo' hit the fan this morning"
really doesn't have the same effect.
Or are we digressing to the meaning of F in RTFM again?
( Please don't start that again.. )

catchya

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jeremy@snrc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence)
Subject: Re: frame Xresources
Reply-To: jeremy@snrc.uow.edu.au
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 11:29:23 GMT

In article 92Sep5223438@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk, idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet) writes:
>Further to these questions:
>
>	In Maker* it says:
>
>! WINDOW POSITIONS AND DIMENSIONS
>
>!	Coordinates are in pixels, offset from the top left corner of the
>!	screen. Dimensions are in pixels.
>
>!	Main FrameMaker window size and coordinates. You can specify just
>!	the size (322x66), just the coordinates (+780+0), or both.
>!	Also included in Maker.<language> file.
>
>!Maker.makerkit.geometry:	322x66+780+0
>
>	Alas, I cannot make FrameMaker take any notice of the +X+Y
>part.  I can change the size of the window, but NOT its position.
>
>	Has anyone had similar problems?

What version of Frame are you using?

The makekit.geometry resource seems to work fine with 3.1X/Sun under
olvwm 3.2, but I remember having problems with 3.0X/Sun under
OpenWindows 2.0.

Jeremy
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)
Subject: c code from vi
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:17:24 GMT


How do I emulate vi type tabs in framemaker?

I have C code i want to put into an appendix and the tabs 
don't line up. Frame seems to position the first tab 
at tabstop 1 and if you are past it, tough. Whereas vi 
keeps "tabs" (perhaps a better word required here) of the
position on the line.

If this makes sense, could someone please post me the answer.

Thanks

Peter.
From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: aligning tables with top of page
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:39:42 GMT
Reply-To: cortesi@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.180637.22646@bmerh85.bnr.ca> lgross@bnr.ca (Larry Ross)  
writes:
> In article <1992Sep09.134212.11396@bass.lkw.com>, brighid@bass.lkw.com  
(Brighid) writes:
> Like Birghid, I currently have the paragraph set to 4pt with a table
> margin of 0.  What I really want is to be able to set the "Space Below"
> feature on the paragraph to -4pt.  Negative numbers seemed to be ignored.

The space between any two paragraphs is the algebraically greater
of: the Space Below of the upper para, and the Space Above of the
lower para.

So for a -4pt Space Below to be effective, the Space Above of the
following para must be no greater than -4pt also.
From: nyp00@firenzecd.amdahl.com (Nicholas Y. Pang)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Framemaker Binary format compatibility
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:41:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I have used interchangeably (sp?) binary formats between Macintosh <->
Sparc and
MS-Windows <-> Sparc. The only problem that I have encountered is FONTS.
You can
limit yourself to the generic fonts that exist on all three platforms
(e.g.
Times, Geneva or Helvetica, and Courier).

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cs.misc
From: merritt@milton.u.washington.edu (Ethan Merritt)
Subject: Re: frame Xresources
Followup-To: comp.text.frame
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:22:14 GMT

In article <IDF.92Sep5223438@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk> idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet) writes:
>
>!Maker.makerkit.geometry:	322x66+780+0
>
>	Alas, I cannot make FrameMaker take any notice of the +X+Y
>part.  I can change the size of the window, but NOT its position.
>
>	Has anyone had similar problems?

Yes. It broke for me when I went from 2.1X to 3.1X on a DECstation. I've
never been able to get it to work under 3.1X.

					Ethan A Merritt
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From: steve@gabriela.tymnet.com (Steve Sandke)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Framemaker Binary format compatibility
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:01:43 GMT
Organization: BT North America, San Jose, CA

In article <JONAS.92Sep15155915@ipcsun5.his.se>, jonas@ipcsun5.his.se (Jonas Mellin) writes:
|> 
|> How compatible are the binary formats of a version of FM between
|> different platforms, e.g. SPARC and MS-Windows?
|> 

Between SPARC and MS-Windows, the compatibility is absolute, as far as I've seen.  I've
moved documents back and forth between home (Windows) and work (SPARC) at will.  The
only caveat:  make sure you use fonts available on both systems.  I stick with Times for 
everything, and I have no problem.

-- 
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Steve Sandke
steve@orchid.tymnet.com
From: dok_hfa@pki-nbg.philips.de (Hans-Juergen Faerber)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,pki.frame
Subject: Security Gap / Document Dictionary
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:45:18 GMT

Every time you add a new word to the Document Dictionary via the
function "Allow Word in This Document" of FrameMaker's Spelling Checker
the word is stored in the same binary file as the document. Even if
you delete the entire text on the body pages, the Document Dictionary
remains unchanged.

So pay attention if you pass "empty" documents e.g. *TEMPLATES* to
other users. The Document Dictionary may contain personal or confidential
stuff! 

The Document Dictionary can be cleared easily via the "Dictionary
Functions". Select the item "Document Dictionary" and "clear".

H.-J.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mario@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mario Nigrovic)
Subject: Re: c code from vi
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:47:08 GMT

In article <pete.715936644@marsh>, pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples) writes:
|> 
|> How do I emulate vi type tabs in framemaker?
|> 
|> I have C code i want to put into an appendix and the tabs 
|> don't line up. Frame seems to position the first tab 
|> at tabstop 1 and if you are past it, tough. Whereas vi 
|> keeps "tabs" (perhaps a better word required here) of the
|> position on the line.
|> 
|> If this makes sense, could someone please post me the answer.
|> 
|> Thanks
|> 
|> Peter.

-- 

Peter -
   Make sure you're using a non-proportional font (eg Courier) and
run your program through expand(1) before incorporating it into
Frame.  Alternatively, you could write your own filter to play with
tab stops.

							Mario

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: brandon@evb.com (Brandon Goldfedder)
Subject: Mac and Frame - HELP!!!!!
Organization: EVB Software Engineering, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:23:12 GMT

We are trying to convert 250+ files from Mac  Frame to Sun Frame.  For about
200 of them the conversion was effortless, a little rescaling of pictures was
needed but otherwise no real problems in the conversion.  However, for 50 or so
of these the pictures embedded within (I believe it stores it in QuickDraw PICT)
were corrupted and little dots appear on them, the effect varies to an 
an inconvience creating a graying effect to making the graphic completely 
unreadable.

We have the documents in Word 5.0 for the Mac as well, but there is no way
to easily convert to Sun/Unix Frame that we can find.  We could convert to
the Mac Frame but then we are back at the frame/frame problem

Can anyone out there help!!!

Thanks,
	Brandon Goldfedder


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