HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (gut feelings...)
Subject: Re: Errors (was Re: Robinson and Boyer)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:16:32 GMT

In <18074@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:

>>
>>Yes, but we know that without errors.  Chances = PO + A + E.  Thus,
>>Murphy has 698 PO + A, while Lucy has 600.  Why do you even need to
>>bring the errors into it?

>NUMBERS these are just numbers!
>Even though I will be flamed big time for my next statement, I'm tired
>of this whole thing.

>Baseball is a GAME played by humans on imperfect fields (except for
>that evil turf stuff in the NL) <--flamable comment one.
>These fields are open to the arbitrary forces of nature, sun, wind,
>and rain.
>It cannot be said that because of the equation:

>RFT*q/45+BBA/.999-H=VALUE of player A

>Sure stats can be fun, BUT they are not an exact science and neither
>is the game. Nobody can tell me the full value of a player is in a bunch
>of numbers. These are a bunch of guys playing a game, not robots on
>an assembly line. We cannot find the total number of reject parts player
>A manufactures and in that number find his "value". <--Flamable comment
>two.

finally! a kindred spirit - a true fan! go ahead and smack some sense
into the thick skulls of these stat-drunk-computer-nerds...

but be prepared for the most childish, immature, sarcastic flames
imaginable.  really strange how these cold statistical, Mr. Spock
wannabe's can slide so quickly down to my level...

>I fell better now that this is off my chest,
>Brian
>See ya at Camden Yards
-- 
roger l. maynard                              
91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca             
Sudbury Ont.                                
Canada
From: aboufade@math.rutgers.edu (Edward F. Aboufadel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ????? Mookie Wilson
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:04:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In <1992Apr15.134828.20422@pica.army.mil>, skitchen@pica.army.mil (D.
Scott Kitchen (CCAC) <skitchen>) writes:


>Mookie was traded to the Angels for Dave Gallagher over the break.

How can this be?  The Mets just traded J. Valera to the Angels for
Dave Gallagher.

Ed Aboufadel
Rutgers U.
From: rdale@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: What's a no-hitter?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:08:14 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, W Lafayette IN

I sympathize with everyone who says Matt Young should be
credited with a no-hitter, but for crying out loud his bad 
pitching (7 walks) lost the game!  He is credited with a loss,
and admitted himself that he didn't pitch well, and that it didn't
have the tension and excitement of a true no-hitter.  Years
from now, when we're reminiscing on the 1992 season, we're
probably not going to talk about the great hitless game
pitched by Matt Young.  (We'll be discussing the 162-0 Yankees...)

Rob
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From: carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy)
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team :)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:45:39 GMT

Hey, how come everyone's forgetting the popular Mr. Sabo. Nobody beats
people up as well as he does!

		See you later, Carl

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From: dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Alfredo Griffin, Clubhouse Deity {tm}
Organization: People Who Have Recently Moved To A Larger City, Ltd.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:33:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.215230.28158@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (gut feelings...) writes:
>I have wondered why the small brains of 3 or 4 of you, open only a tiny
>crack at the best of times, snap shut completely at the slightest hint
>that personality might have something to do with winning.

I can't speak for any of the other "small-brained" people on the net,
but I don't think personality has *nothing* to do with winning.  It just
has *far less* to do with winning than ability does.

Case in point:  the 1978 Yankees.  One of the largest collections of
squabbling, bloated egos in history.  But they were talented, and they won.

To put it another way:  there are millions and millions of nice guys
out there.  But there are only a few hundred people who can play baseball
well enough to help a team win.  Griffin isn't one of them (except possibly
in a very limited role).
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From: dick1@hera.uucp (25436-vaughn)
Subject: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 13:51:24 GMT
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team


Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),
but the larger point with the Mets in 1992 is that this is
a team with a re-cast personality.

Gone are (in order of importance):  Frank Cashen, Buddy Harrelson,
Kevin McReynolds, Gregg Jefferies, Frank Viola.

In their place are (again, in order of importance):  Al Harazin,
Jeff Torborg, Bobby Bonilla, Bret Saberhagen, Eddie Murray and
Willie Randolph.

(Do you notice a trend here in terms of type-of-person?)


The biggest off-season move they made was selecting Torborg as
their manager.  For the first time since around 1987 they will
be getting true leadership from their manager.  The Days of
Whine and Poses are *OVER*.

Not that this gurantees any championships -- their defense and
the bottom of the order are suspect -- but the days of their
unfocused, lack-of-work-ethic are over.

A perfect example is that Torborg got very visibly in Vince Coleman's
face after a lack of hustle cost him a base hit.  It was Harrelson's
refusal to get in Coleman's face last spring over a similar incident
that showed the Mets who wasn't in charge and which also set the tone
for the hideous season that followed.

The only downside to McReynolds' departure is that we won't get to see
Torborg going after his unrepetantly so-what attitude.


Again, this gurantees nothing (except no repeat of their 1991
fifth-place finish), but this attitude adjustment is unmistakable,
and that ain't good news for the rest of the NL East.


Gonna be fun to watch.  As always.


Dick V.
From: nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: '92 Cubs lineup
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:26:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr7.182611.16734
Reply-To: nss3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <11987@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Overshadowed By Fate Huckabay) writes:

>Good lord.  We had the Tiger watch...  How about a Cubs .300 OBP
>watch?

Well, not that it's a monumental task or anything, but I'll be more
than happy to post the sCrUBS pathetic OBP on a weekly basis, based on
the most recent USA Toady(:-)) stats.  Hell, I'm here in Chicago for
the summer anyway, I may as well make it a *useful* stay! :-)

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From: jdg40@pecan.spa.amdahl.com (Jeff Gee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oakland A's Dream Team
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:11:05 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

In article <12082@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Overshadowed By Fate Huckabay) writes:
>
>We should have shot... Mike Davis.

Maybe Mitchell Page too.

>
>Mike Davis, of course, sucked rocks.

Ditto for Mitch.

>
>}DH	Dave Parker		Dave Kingman         Both of them.
>}

Should definitely have shot Ken ("hits homers at Ruth's pace over 
100 AB") Phelps, maybe old Deron ("ground out RF to 1B") Johnson too.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Robinson and Boyer
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:38:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.111527.15774@pbs.org> kwinkler@pbs.org (The Axe Man) writes:
>You can't say that one's better.  You can say that they're different.
>One has better range, because he got to 20 more balls.  But he also 
>made alot of errors on balls he did get to, and it's likely that most
>of them are routine plays that would be made by the average second
>baseman.  I don't think this difference is trivial, and its dependent
>in part on error totals.

Why do you think it's worse to make an error on a "routine" play than it is
to give up a hit?  How do you know what a "routine" play is?  Maybe Joe
Slow makes routine plays he doesn't make look non-routine, by never getting
anywhere near the ball, when an average second baseman would have.

Besides, I just posted numbers last week that showed that that an error was
only likely to result in an extra base for the hitter about 7% more of the
time than a hit would.  That's a very small difference.

>There.  You've seen some significance for the statistic.  Or haven't
>you?

Not yet.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


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From: erude@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Erick Rudiak)
Subject: Re: A difficult question
Keywords: Clemens
Reply-To: erude@nwu.edu
Organization: ACNS DSS, Northwestern University, Evanston, IL
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 17:21:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.193855.17757@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
|> I've heard a lot of trivia stuff here about HR's, etc. that can be easily
|> looked up in a sports book.
|> 
|> Here's a stumper:
|> 
|> On April 29, 1986, Roger Clemens broke the record for strikeouts in a game.
|> There was an interesting play in the 4th inning.  Clemens pitched to a 
|> batter with two outs.  The batter hit a high foul ball that one of the 
|> Red Sox players simply dropped.  Clemens later struck the batter out and
|> went on his way to breaking the record.
|> 
|> Who was the batter, and who dropped the ball in foul territory?    
|> 
|> If anyone knows, please mail me a note.
|> Thanks,
|> Gary Blickhan
|> 

	I believe the batter was Phil Bradley.  I am pretty sure the
fielder was that bastion of Gold-Gloves, Don Baylor.  (Unless it wasn't, in
which case I'd say it was Dave "Hendu" Henderson).
-- Erick
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Trivia: What to the numbers mean...?
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:35:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.205436.2868@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
>In article <92099.185021GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu> GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>> Here's a bit of trivia from our college paper...

>> Give the significance of the number and the player  who holds the record.

>> 1) .424      Highest BA maybe
>Highest single season 20th century BA by a qualifier for the batting title
>Rogers Hornsby
>> 2) 2.17      lowest era
>Lowest career era (with sufficiently many innings pitched) since (about) 1913
>(that's when they started counting ERA officially)
>Walter Johnson
>> 3) 56        \
>Most consecutive games played in which at least one hit was achieved in
>each game
>Joe Dimaggio
>> 4) 57        /  Is one of these 50's, Hershisers inning streak
>hmm... dunno right now. I wonder why it looks familiar.
>(yeah, Hershiser was 59IP, Earl Webb hit 67 doubles....)
>Maybe most world series games played in by a player during his career
>Mickey Mantle (or was it Yogi Berra?)

Hey, I don't think he was anywhere near as good as the Eck, but Bobby
Thigpen does deserve *some* credit for his record setting save season.

>> 5) 61
>Most homeruns by a batter in a single season
>Roger Maris
>> 6) 190
>Most RBI by a batterin a single season (official record)
>Hack Wilson
>> 7) 511
>Most games won by a pitcher in his career
>Cy Young
>> 8) 755       HR career?
>Most HR by a batter in his career
>Hank Aaron
>> 9) 5511      Hits career?   Pete Rose?
>Most strikeouts by a picher in his career (through 1991)
>Nolan Ryan (how many did he have the other day?)
>> 10) 7
>Many things. They're probably looking for
>most hits by a batter in one nine inning game
>Rennie Stennett
>Wilbert Robinson did it too, but that was in the 19th century,
>and nobody talks about that.

Nolan Ryan nohitters.

>john rickert
>The Brewers' magic number is down to 162 !
>My AL East picks: Bos, Tor, Det, Bal, Mil, NY, Cle

-- 
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"Baseball stathead, and card-carrying member of the ACLU.  And proud of it."
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.223706.24663@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>I'd take Dan Quisenberry any day over Dennis Eckersley. Period.  
>I don't care what your numbers are (wherever you got them).

Then, seriously, what's your point?  If you aren't interested in evidence,
then why are you bothering to argue this?  

I find it quite difficult to believe that this whole thing started over my
agreeing with the choices for two relief pitchers that the Oakland A's fans
made in picking an Oakland A's dream team.  I'll note that career numbers
are not really relevant in picking these players, only their performance
while an Oakland Athletic.  Otherwise, Joe Morgan would be the hands-down
winner at second base; he played his last season in Oakland.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


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From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Subject: Re: Cardinal Club
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:06:06 GMT

In article <101190008@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> msl@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Mark Laventhal )  
writes:
> / hpcvlx:rec.sport.baseball / cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) /  5:23  
pm  Apr  8, 1992 /
> 
> For completeness sake, this is to register the fact that I live in Oregon.
> Mark Laventhal
> 
> 
> >                     CARDINAL CLUB ROSTER
> >                         Semi-Official
> >
> >Member			User Address			State
> >
> >Dan Carpenter		cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu		IL
> >Steve Parvin		parvin@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu	IL
> >Mark Laventhal		msl@hpcvlx.cu.hp.com		OR 
> 							^^
> >Jeff Wayman		wayman@lamar.ColoState.edu	CO
> >John Petterchak		japg6581@uxa.uiuc.edu		IL
> >Aaron Packman		aaron@juliet.caltech.edu	CA
> >Bob Netherton		exurln@avata.NoSubdomain.NoDomain - TX
> >Steve			ccford@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au	Austrailia
> >Steve Hubbard 		sfh@po.CWRU.Edu			OH
> >James Berry Austin	jcj6@ace4.sps.mot.com		TX
> >
> >Dave Vessell		dave@Bradley.Bradley.edu	IL
> >Tom Durian		durian3660@iscsvax.uni.edu	
> >

One more to the caravan.
   Angel Puerta          puerta@camis.stanford.edu      CA
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: DON'T  read this...!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:52:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.112057.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:
>
>AL West: 	Chicago  (I don't like their jerseys! So sue me!:)

	If you are talking about the black ones they wear in Florida and
	on Sundays, I agree, but please don't tell me you don't like the
	home pinstripes?  Those are *sweet*...  The road jersey is cool,
	too...

-- 
-------------------------------
| Randy Peppler               |
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| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
From: barring@fiji.cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Bill James on ESPN
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:10:30 GMT
Reply-To: barring@fiji.cs.umass.edu ()
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Stat-head's God Bill James is the scheduled guest on
ESPN's Roy Firestone interview program tonight (Wed.).  
It's usually on at 6:30 pm EDT, though I haven't checked
the exact schedule.

Dave MB
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Getting the Win
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:57:05 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr11.185555.17226@menudo.uh.edu> chee1l5@jetson.uh.edu (Sam Lane) writes:
>Any idea what percentage of wins go to the pitcher starting the game
>verses wins the relievers get ?

In 1991, AL and NL starters each had 71% of the wins and a slightly higher
percentage of the losses.
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From: exurln@avata.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cardinal Fans Caravan
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:22:17 GMT
Reply-To: exurln@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.053753.2657@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >|> >/ hpcvlx:rec.sport.baseball / cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) / 10:45 am  Mar 31, 1992 /
|> 
|>   Definately count me as a Cards fan!  I don't want to be left out of a
|> group as select as this one seems to be!  I just got my new Cardinals
|> road baseball cap!  

You will have to let me borrow it when I take a road trip to Houston
to see the Birds.

Bob
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From: mbk45850@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James Bond)
Subject: Need Injury Update
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:59:01 GMT


		I could really use an injury update on Lenny Dykstra and Rob
Dibble.  Is Dykstra going on the DL?  When Dibble comes of the 15 day DL, is
he going to be able to play, or is he going to stay on the DL?


					White Sox in '92,

					Matt
From: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Gardining (was Re: Red Sox win!)
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:59:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.025917.14667
Reply-To: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU () says:

>The Red Sox blew a 5-0 lead against the Cleveland Indians, but after using
>eight pitchers, 6 and a half hours, and 19 innings, the Sox finally won
>their first game of the 1992 season, beating Cleveland by a score of 7-5.
>Tim Naehring hit the game winning homerun with a runner on in the top of the
>19th. Mo Vaughn hit his second homerun of the season in the second inning,
>and Jody Reed homered in the 3rd. Wes Gardner got the win in relief. The
				   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>Bosox are now 1-2 on the season. The Toronto Blue Jays have yet to lose, as
>they defeated the Baltimore Orioles. Oakland also remains undefeated. And
>lastly, the Yankees beat the winless Detroit Tigers. The Yanks are undefeated
>and the Tigers winless.
>

What?  Wes is back?  No, no, no.  Mike Gardiner is the guy.

-- 
Kimon Zachary			"I stand by all the misstatements that
JHU School of Med.			I've made." --Dan Quayle
Baltimore, MD			
Another Greek from Massachusetts
From: gpeters@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team :)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:59:19 EST
Distribution: na,world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <carl.703190739@warper.jhuapl.edu>, carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy) writes:
> Hey, how come everyone's forgetting the popular Mr. Sabo. Nobody beats
> people up as well as he does!
> 
> 		See you later, Carl
> 
Excuse me, but could you possibly elaborate more on these beatings?

             Thanx,  Greg P.
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:10:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <12244@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hairless Primate Huckabay) writes:
>
>All you have to do is find a comparable five-year span for another
>reliever that's better, and you'll disprove my statement.  It's called
>discussion with evidence.
>
>I've looked at this pretty thoroughly.  Maybe someone can present me
>and the net with some ALTERNATIVES, rather than just "No way, Dude!"

The closest I've been able to find are:

	Dan Quisenberry, 1981-1985
	Sparky Lyle, 1972-1976
	Goose Gossage, 1977-1981
	Bruce Sutter, 1977-1981

I don't see any of those as being better than Eckersley's 1987-1991.

(It's interesting to speculate what Firpo Marberry's numbers would look like
if you could isolate out his relief work.  In his career, he had 187 starts
(W/L record of 94-52 in those starts, for the Senators!), and 364 relief
appearances (101 saves).  His career OOBP is .325, in a career that spanned
the most potent offensive years of all time.  Unfortunately, his start/relief
numbers are hopelessly muddled, and we can't see how good he really was...)


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