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From: wud@acf5.NYU.EDU (David C. Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,alt.cult-movies,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Jet Lee and Tsui Hark (Was Re: Brandon Lee Movies)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:03:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: New York University, New York

>Yes, Wong Fei Hong Pt. 3 has been made and Tsui Hark directed it. He is now 
>making Pt.4. Pt. 3 stars Jet Lee but Pt. 4 will not. Jet Lee has gone off on
>his own to make movies. Pt. 3 will be his last collaboration with Tsui Hark.
And Jet Lee is also going on his own to make another Wong Fae Hung movie.
So there are actually two of them in production at this time.

>BTW, Sowrdsman I is not really directed by Tsui hark. He just produced it.
>Chinese name of Swordsman 3 is something like "Eastern Invincible - Wind Cloud
>Rise Again".
Swordsman3 is an awful film.  Looks like the dog ate many pages from the
script.  It makes little sense.  Sequels seldom live up to their original,
even Tsui Hak can't avoid that.  From looking at Swordsman3, seems like
everyone is in it just for the $$$.  I am not putting up too much hope for
Wong Fae Hung III and IV (2 of them).
-Dave
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ryan@netnews.smithkline.com (Dominic Ryan)
Subject: Atemi waza in judo
Organization: SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:22:17 GMT

I am curious to know if any clubs practice the atemi-waza katas as described
in Kano's book.  I have been told that they are no longer taught, partly 
because they are not included in the kata competitions. 

M. Dominic Ryan                         SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals 
(215)-270-6529              internet:   ryan%phmms0.mms@smithkline.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Re: SEALs
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:13:13 GMT

Thanks for the posts.  I've decided that USA Today didn't know what they
were talking about.  Anyway, thanks for responding.
From: dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:23:15 EST
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Gracie Videos
Organization: IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.1

In <1993Jan22.220106.9789@cbfsb.cb.att.com> christopher.b.young writes:
>Awhile back, there was a discussion of some Instructional Videos by
>and about the Gracies...where might one obtain these videos?
>
>Thanks much.
>Chris
>

Just about every _Black Belt_ magazine I have seen in the past 2 years
has had an ad in the back for their videos. I've heard they have
some devastating technique.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dave Thomas        dcthomas@vnet.ibm.com             My views, not IBM's
"ikken hitatsu"    JKA Shotokan / Myoshinkan Aikido  "one cut, one life"
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Carjacking, part two
Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:09:18 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1993Jan27.061746.11930@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall) writes:
>most of these situations.  In the shooting outside the CIA the
>other day for example, nobody abandoned their vehicles. 


The CIA shooting example may not apply in this case.  Nobody knows
for sure yet, but there is mounting evidence that this was a 
professional hit-- probably with a single target and a few other
random shootings to obscure the motive.  It seems the shooter had
(or might have had-- everyone is being very tight lipped about this)
a getaway car driver.
From: psop4@mach1.wlu.ca (paul sop u)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Homosexuals in martial arts (H I M A)
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:45:30 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University

Looking for information on a group called H.I.M.A. (Homosexuals In Martial
Arts).  It's suppose to based either in Chicago or in San Diego and is
helping to organize the martial arts competition for the Unity Games in
1994.  Any details would be appreciated.
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: SEALs
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:17:14 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1993Jan23.032606.18700@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:
>>Thanks for the posts.  I've decided that USA Today didn't know what they
>>were talking about.  Anyway, thanks for responding.
>
>The DEA (U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration) fields some
>pretty funky looking agents when they take down a big lab.  With
>their black Nomex hoods, SMGs, full body armor, and SIG
>sidearms, they look very "tactical."  I can see how someone
>could mistake them for SEALs.

Especially when they balance those cute little grenades on the ends of their
noses...

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Openings.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:44:09 GMT

Whenever your opponent attacks, he creates an opening.  Since the best
martial artist will never attack, there is no opening.

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

PS:  Unless of course someone tells him his shoes are untied. :)
From: kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Evil Black Belts (was : Fighting against animals?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <C1FLD2.EoJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
 
>BTW, thanks, everyone, for your replies on "Fights & blackbelt
>confidence."  While that topic still exists, have any of you known any
>"evil" blackbelts?  I.e., blackbelts who use their knowledge and prowess
>in bad ways.. beating people up, etc.  It's a scary thing. :)


In an old MA magazine, there was an article about a Martial Artist called Dante,
who practised the art just for the offensive. He was generally black listed by
all the MA world.

Although there was alot of truths in what he said, his methods were considered
dangerous and unacceptable.


Kam.  :-)

P.S. If anyone requires more info, I can dig the magazine out of the cupboard...


--
Kam-Wing Pang   : Smile   :-)
kwp@ukc.ac.uk   : Msc Electronic Engineering  
                : University of Kent at Canterbury (0227)764000 ext 3192
From: exudms@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Hung Gar in Boston?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:47:06 GMT
Reply-To: exudms@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: E
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Any Hung Gar still in the Boston area?
E-mail exudms@exu.ericsson.se
From: ftit@ob.engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Beating S*** out of Celts (long)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:43:40 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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Originator: ftit@ob.engin.umich.edu


In article <1993Jan20.013415.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, comptec92024@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
|In article <1993Jan14.220014.28300@massey.ac.nz>, M.J.Wright@massey.ac.nz (M.J. Wright) writes:
|> 
|> Sorry to rain on your parade of the mightly Celts, but.......
|> 
|> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
|> 
|
|Even from a military point of view the celts were nothing to sneeze at. In
|279 BC Celtic tribes pillaged Thrace and Macedonia killing the heir of Alexander
|the Great, the king of Macedonia. This group of Celtics later beat the Greeks
|at a battle in the pass of Thermopylae,

... but were beaten out by the Detroit Pistons in the quarter-finals as
I recall.  That was the year that the Pistons won the NBA championship
for the second year in a row.

|                                        the same place where the Greeks had
|defeated the Persians.

The NBA sure has gotten bigger since I went away to school -- I don't
remember *any* of these teams!  Of course, even the NHL has added some
new teams that I've never seen before, and I follow hockey a lot more
closely than basketball.

|                       In 390 BC Celtic tribes extracted tribute from Rome
|herself. Note that Caesar himself used Gallic (celtic) cavalry, in the conquest
|of Gaul. So I don't think that you can make any argument if Celtic people

We prefer to call them Bostoners.

|                                                                          were
|or were not good martial artists. You can only say that that they were beaten
|by the Romans then later used by the same Romans.
|

Well, it certainly can be argued that one of the Celtics' strong-points
in the '70s and '80s was the use of Greenoch, but as most Greenoch
techniques (e.g., heart-pulz) are considered fouls under NBA rules, I
don't think that that was all there was to it.  Good coaching probably
helped a lot, as did strong players such as Larry O'Bird.

|Mackenzie

Sorry, couldn't resist.  Please ask someone on the net for the complete
history of Greenoch.  This really should be a FAQ!

Oh oh, someone's knocking on my door.  Be back in a minute.  Ugh!
scufflescuffle *crash!* YAH!  muttermutter  AIIIIIIIII
                                                      IIIIIIII
                                                              iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii..........
thud

THE 'AGGIES O' DEATH HAE SPAEKEN!

^[:wq
NO CARRIER
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:18:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

RE  An exchange between John Peter Wagner and me on Beijing University
    studies on chi.

dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas) writes:
  +
  +I'm not sure where this thread is going, but I think you guys are
  +up in the clouds a little. Ki exists in all of us. We don't have to
  +lift houses or make chickens implode with our ki to prove its existence.
  +Us normal grunts can use it in everyday life. Any decent martial arts
  +training should provide a glimpse (albeit fleeting at times).

Nothing personal, I think people would argue that you are up
in the clouds a little for believing in chi on the basis
that you do.  Aside from subjective impressions, I don't see
how you can say that "Ki exists in all of us."  Given that,
and the unlikelihood of the net (or perhaps anyone) being able
to come up with a scientific basis/proof for chi, I find it
interesting to examine those that would claim to approach it
that way.

Terry Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Yeah, right.
From: hartigan@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Is chi/ ki real?
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:14:11 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada




Is chi (ki) real? I know the theory, but I'm wondering what people think
about it.
From: pgullion@nyx.cs.du.edu (phillip gullion)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Head Aikido Instructor Wanted: Vermont,USA
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:38:26 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.



Vermont Aikikai is searching for a Head Instructor at its Burlington,VT
dojo.
Vermont Aikikai is a federation dojo founded by Terry Dobson, which is
operated as a non-profit collective. The position has a monthly stipend
which well supplements an annual income. Interested applicants should
contact Aaron at: Vermont Aikikai, 274 North  Winooski Avenue, Burlington,
VT 05401.
The dojo can be called at 802-862-9785 between 5:30 and 6:00 PM EST.
Thank you.
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Greenoch History
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:59:58 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

comptec92024@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>
> Ok, I will bit. What is the history of Greenoch? It sounds to me that it may be
> in the vain of that anchient and secreat Welsh art Lapgoush aka Monty Python.

        I posted a more complete history of Greenoch over a year ago, did
anyone save it (I didn't)? I did mention it again in less detail in the
thread on the meaning of style names, a few weeks ago. If enough people
ask, I'll try posting it again.

        How come I know so much about it? My family is pure Irish on my
father's side of the family, and I learned some of the lore from my
grandmother. I never did find out how to perpare a shileileigh (a Celtic
eqivelent of the Jo staff).

           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
             Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.
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From: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk (Aurelio Barranco)
Subject: Re: SEALs
Reply-To: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:13:00 +0000


Lots of other stuff then ...
>
>         The various enforcement branches of the various governments are in many
>         cases out of control.  If they will not control themselves, WE should
>         control them.  Of course, being that it is Stupor Droll time again, I
>         guess we'll have to put off the start for another couple of months...
>         sheesh, Amerika.
> 
>         -Andy V.
> 
Of course you are in possession of the full facts regarding this
particular incident, otherwise you wouldn't make such statements
would you ?
Are you one of these people that believe everything is avoidable, it
can all be planned against.
Please remember that the Police etc. are usually dealijng with tht
most unpredictable of things ...... humans. Really it's quite
stunning what humans will do, so unexpected some times. As for
waiting around a few years until you are eally sure you know
everything exactly ... a great policy for letting people get away
IMHO.
I can see a lot in what you are saying, but and this is even related
to MA (relevancy .. wow !) you have to go into a situation with the
realization that the unexpected will happen and you can't plan for it
(that's why it's unexpected). I had this argument with a friend of
mine that does Ju Jutsu. We were watching Perfect Weapon .... there
is a particular scene when the main protagonist is involved in a bar
room brawl and finally gets blind sided with a beer bottle. My mate
was of the opinion that it should never have happened and was
indicative of poor MA ability, I was of the opinion that shit happens
and  in any large group scenario, particularily in enclosed spaces
with several people after you (especially if they are really mean)
you are on a hiding to nothing. Ther is a big chance they'll get you
no matter how good you are, or what you do.
Anyway the point is .... it's the chaos (buzzword) in life which
makes everything a calculated risk and not an absolute decision.


!"*!)"(*!   "I'm sure this looked good when I first did it ? "
????|?|?|   Aikido .. Pharmaceuticals .. and  Cycling.
Aurelio
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:32:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1993Jan26.164414.29599@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <77570@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
>
>>the story of Wu Sung, a martial hero monk of China, who is said
>>to have been caught sleeping by a hungry tiger. If you have
>>ever seen a figurine of a Chinese fellow smacking a tiger
>>in the head with his fist in a Chinatown shop, this is Wu Sung
>
>This sounds rather implausible to me.  

Just in case anybody thinks I find the Wu Sung story plausible:
I don't.

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mcp4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Marco Claro Pineda)
Subject: Re: What/Where is Sinawali?
Reply-To: mcp4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Marco Claro Pineda)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:01:27 GMT

I know sinawali as a particular technique in arnis.  It means "weave" and 
consists of moving the sticks in a crossing figure eight pattern.

I'm by no means an expert but since I've always believed "sinawali" to have
been a filipino word I'd like to know if anybody else has heard it used in
the context of another MA form.
*************************************************************************
* "Captain, he's hiding something."                 | mcp4@columbia.edu *
* "Carpe Cibum" (Seize the Food)                    | M. Pineda         *
*************************************************************************
From: esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:38:18 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan22.001411.10451@ac.dal.ca> hartigan@ac.dal.ca writes:

>Is chi (ki) real? I know the theory, but I'm wondering what people think
>about it. 

  In a nutshell:  It all depends on what you mean by "chi/ki/qi".

--
********************************************************************
Eric Sotnak                   |  One life.
esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu    |  One chance. 
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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Organization: Columbia University
	<C19zr4.4xA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
	<1993Jan24.080311.12042@craycos.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:35:07 GMT

>>This is why I make it a point to myself never to be "obtrusive" until
>>I'm at least a 3rd gup.  
>
>Like Joel I have to wonder...why 3rd kyu/gup? 

Well, if this was the guy who was asking about Shotokan, 3rd kyu is
often where one begins to wear a brown belt.  It's probably very
similar in Tae Kwon Do for 3rd gup.  And as many if not all of us
know, brown belt is where one is "supposed"* to get (and resist) that
temptation to "test out" one's training in a "real situation".  It
looks like our friend here is anticipating that condition a bit.

*"Supposed" as in "It commonly happens," not as in "Should."
	-Steve
From: Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Carjacking, part two
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:09:00 GMT

RD>Wrangle, wrangle, wrangle.  And these are only net.lawyers.  I
RD>still say give them the car.  Get nailed on weapons violations
RD>and/or pop some kid (whom you are going to have to prove was not
RD>just trying to steal your car but acted in such a way as to
RD>justify your use of lethal force), and you get to spend *lots* of
RD>time with real lawyers.

Better to spend *lots* of time with real lawyers than *any* time in a
coffin. The dumbest thing you can do is give up your car. With it you
have the possibility of successful defense and mobility. Without it, you
are unarmed and afoot. You've also placed yourself at the mercy of
someone who has just committed a felony and might not want a witness.

Peace in our time,

Tom
___
 X SLMR 2.1a X The best defense against logic is stupidity...
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From: graceng@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (NG/YAN LAM GRACE/MS)
Subject: ***St Paul's Convent School Email Alumni List*** 
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:58:33 GMT



     Hi!  Fellow Paulinians, it's me again.  Below is a list of the Email addresses I have at hand now.
If any of you have any additions, corrections, or any comments, please feel free to Email me (Grace Ng) :  graceng@spook.ee.mcgill.ca
Have a Happy New Year everyone!


1973
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Lau   Eliza      5A     laue@vtccl.cc.vt.edu                 VAX System Manager
Lau   Christine  5B     cyip@bcm.tmc.edu

1982
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Hsu   Katherine         kat@compass-da.com                   Software Engineer


1986
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Chow  Alice            chow.alice@gene.com                    Biology Research
Ho    Anna             h9194261@hkucc.hku.hk                  Law
Lo    Ada              asl5@crux2.cit.cornell.edu             Hotel Management
Yip   May              yip@asc.slb.com                        Software Engineer


1991
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Chan  Winnie     5A    wc10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu
Cheung Michelle  5S    s926422@mailserv.cuhk.hk
Choi  Avy        5S    s925472@mailserv.cuhk.hk               Business Admin
Chow  Sarah      5T    sarahcho@aludra.usc.edu                Business Major
Ho    Christine  3A    646926@acadvm1.uottawa.ca              Pyschology
Hui   Gigi       5L    s925474@mailserv.cuhk.hk               Business Admin
Lai   Gigi       5S    gigilai@felix.engin.umich.edu          Chemical Engin
Lo    Wendy      5U    s925475@mailserv.cuhk.hk               Business Admin
Ma    Grace      5T    s926422@mailserv.cuhk.hk               Sociology
Mui   Anneliese  5S    amui@spook.ee.mcgill.ca                Mechanical Engin
Ng    Grace      4S    graceng@spook.ee.mcgill.ca             Computer Engin
Wong  Daisy      5L    s925476@mailserv.cuhk.hk               Business Admin
Wong  Patricia   4S    pww1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu       Industrial Engin
Wong  Shirley    5S    ww11@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu
Wong  Veronica   5S    s925473@mailserv.cuhk.hk               Business Admin
Yen   Winnie     5S    winyen@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu      
Yu    Liza       5A    s926461@mailserv.cuhk.hk               Sociology


27th January, 1993:  Grace Ng (graceng@spook.ee.mcgill.ca)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:37:19 GMT

In article <28616@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>  [On yet another query about chi.]
>
>wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>  +	Well, at Beijing University, people who are 'able to
>  +use their Chi' are studied because of their <ability to move
>  +objects with their minds>.  I forget the word for <>.  It seems
>  +that they can occasionally do it, but not so much on demand.
>  +You can get Chi from certain exercises, and people who are good with
>  +their Chi can either give or take it, leaving you strong or weak,
>  +so they say.
>
>I was curious where you had read that.  Most university research
>I have heard/read of have to do with curative properties (e.g.,
>purifying water, positive results for AIDS, cancer, etc.) whether
>it be by the action of the exercises or the supposed projection or
>transmission of chi into some organism.
>
>I think you're referring to telekinesis.  While there have been
>more grandiose claims, I thought there were hardly any claims of
>telekinesis anymore (maybe too easy to disprove?).
>
>Terry Chan

	Yah, that's it:telekinesis.  It, along with the curative properties,
are being studied at the Beijing University physics department. Check
them out for details.  They had one guy go through who was 'pretty good
with his Chi' who would give up to thirty hour lectures in which his
listeners, he claimed, 'fed off of his Chi' so they could stay and
not go to the bathroom, eat, etc.  I think he gave an 18 hour lecture at
Beijing University a few years back.

			John