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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:18:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      PC bigotry (was prop 9)

: Taking of which, I also noticed this post; is this a typical attitude
: of Americans to people who live in trailer parks?  I thought it was
: very unpleasant and about as biased as you can get.  Ironic since
: I read it on soc.bi (it wasn't one of our posters btw; it was x-posted
: from soc.motss):

] SURE. Pat "Himmler" Buchanon was allowed to spew his
] poison in front of the convention, the media, and the
] world with the full knowledge and collaboration of
] your scumbag candidate George Bush along with the
] rest of the party leadership, because they thought
] a little race-baiting would pick up some support
] from the white-trash/trailer park sector of the
] electorate.

Graham, it's hypocrisy from some elitist academic who thinks it's OK to
demean and marginalize people who (a) have little influence and (b) he
disagrees with.  <Just one of our dirty little secrets>.  "White trash" refers
to white people with little education, low incomes, poor family values, a
tendency to illegitimacy, spouse abuse, buying too many cigarettes and lottery
tickets and too much booze.  (People of color with those characteristics, on
the other hand, enjoy "protected category" status and preferential admission to
colleges.)  Whether or not such people are more likely to live in trailer parks
I don't know.  The comment on trailer parks is demeaning and stereotypical.  In
the States, trailer parks are low cost, owner-occupied housing.  Often such
parks are located in the paths of tornadoes, so residents of trailer parks get
to own their own homes at even lower prices than conventional homes, because
they bear a higher risk of damage or death from tornadoes.  Poorer people
therefore live in such parks.

The comment is excessively emotional and mean, but probably not untypical of
attitudes held by many members of my country's chattering classes.

Steve Karlson

Not PC.  Never was.
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Posted on 8 Nov 1992 at 22:38:48 by GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>I find Ruth's responses a lot easier to scan than JAG's.  I still
>>haven't managed to figure out his system yet.
>>--
>Neither has Gubert, which is the main problem.:-)
>
>Ruth "Clear like mud, and easier to read" H.
>
>--
>                ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>In a pig's eye.
>JAG

If you *have* figured out your system, then why DON'T you configure
your mail to be easier to read?

Karen
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From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Disinterested, disinterred...

>The outcome of the great uninterested/disinterest debate some time
>ago was uncertain, but the place where natalie and I managed to
>agree was that the best source of data was to wait for natural
>utterances of either word and record them.  Well, today, for the
>first time since we spoke, I've seen one of those words in print:
>in the Independent (newspaper) Magazine (supplement) I found
>tonight "Still, I am hardly a disinterested judge..."

I am slightly confused about what THAT shows. That someone who writes
for the Independent uses "disinterested" to mean disinterested (while
writing)?

tushar
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Cain't no high-toned woman make me walk the line.
^^^^^^
ndh

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:25:52 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: God and Dowsing

>But Tony, you're taking this strict interpretation (I hesitate
>to say PC) of skepticism too far.  Don't you see, for example, a
>significant difference between a dowser who wanders over land with
>a twig, and a dowser who sits at home with a map and a pendulum?
>
>The frmer, though unproven despite many trials, *could* at a pinch
>have a rational explanation.  The latter is clearly in cloud cuckoo
>land.

I am weak-minded enough not to see a great difference between these
two. *Could* have rational explanation? *Cannot* have rational
explanation? What? What?


>  Don't you have enough faith in your common-sense to dismiss the
>latter out of hand as pseudish paranormal bullshit?

What common-sense?

tushar
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Choosing the appropriate insult...
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I just discovered that "animus" can mean "animosity."  So forget what I
said earlier about malapropisms.  I've never heard "animus" used that way.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "(Alec D. Plotkin)" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Apology to Ruth
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> On the other hand, I am not willing to passively
>allow what I perceive to be insults to pass, especially when they
>feed stereotypes and reinforce reasons for denying some groups the
>rights others take for granted. You see the difficulty of fighting for
>a few days. Some are confronted with these conflicts everyday of
>their lives. I see this as a political, not a religious issue. You
>obviously don't agree with my own view that people have the right to
>engage in their private lives without external interference, which
>is fine. But when public judgments about my private life are made,
>you can bet there will be a response.

I wish I had written this myself. I agree with out question.

later

alec
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:58:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Here I stand, I can do no other

: Sounds to me like its KKKarlson who has the malaise -- I remember your
: election 'prediction'.  I hope you're better at economic projections.

Yeah, well, all the leading indicators were wrong: the New Hampshire primary,
the Bears, the bellwether counties.  BTW, I challenge Frank at Brown or Jaded
Gubert or anyone else to find a post of mine since September indicating support
for George Bush ...

Economists don't really make projections.  Some are better than others at
drawing inferences from past experience in such a way as to make statements
that look like projections.  The Clinton fans on the list had better hope I'm
not good at making projections.

Specifically, I infer from past experience that peacetime economic growth is
more rapid when taxes are low and constant, and regulations few and unchanging.
The past four years have offered no evidence to change my mind.

If the election results are a replay of 1976, I will be posting "told you so"
very soon.  If we are seeing an update of 1932, with Fleetwood Mac subbing
for "Happy Days are Here Again," the outlook won't be much better.  Attempts by
the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations to undo the Depression only prolonged
it.

Conditions are nowhere near as bad now, but there's a little problem that's
going to arise if the "New Covenant" takes effect.  Suppose you want to "grow"
the "economy" by "creating" jobs.  Well, jobs are neither created nor destroyed
they are only changed in form.  An entrepreneur sees an opportunity to provide
something to people.  The actions that entrepreneur takes to provide things
transform potential jobs into actual jobs.  Our President-elect recognizes
that; he says he's "for small business."  "Job creation," then, means the
entrepreneur hires some people, who weren't creative enough to recognize the
potential of the idea in the first place, to do some of the routine work.
Without the vision of the entrepreneur, that transformation does not occur.

What thanks does the entrepreneur get for this gift to others?  If he or she
earns more than $200,000 a year, a tax increase.  If he or she sells out, the
nominal value (which may be inflated) of the profits from the sale is taxed
as ordinary income.  How much economic growth do you expect to see?

This is just simple economics.  What connection it has with burnt
crosses and white sheets escapes me.  Maybe jag-off can enlighten us.

Steve Karlson

Hey, America, you asked for it, you got it.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:21:43 EST
From:         Theresa Wild <TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      polling day

 As a RI state worker, I had the day off to go vote and otherwise
goof off in the rain.  We pull levers here, flip little switches all
while hiding behind the black thick curtain (like in the _Wizard_of_Oz_).
Of course there are plenty of <helpers>  keeping everone in line and
instructing every one on which lever to pull/push etc.


Theresa
twild@uriacc.uri.edu

P.S. giggles, I've got the shelf up and my 2 trophies duly placed.
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Subject: Nosferatu
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Greetings,

I've been seeing allusions to this Anne Rice person.  I don't understand her
appeal.  I read a couple of her books a few years ago when I was feeling
poorly; they didn't help me recuperate.  Of course, I have little patience
with sentimental, long-winded, formulaic writing (unless it's my own, of
course).  I used to think Stephen King was the writer most in need of an
editor, but that dubious distinction certainly belongs to Rice these days--
she's well on the way to becoming the Ayn Rand of gothic literature.

I think Bram Stoker's Dracula is still the best version of that tale.

Tonight I saw F.W Murnau's silent film, *Nosferatu*.  Striking and
thought provoking.  I guess it's from the 1920s, but I'm not sure.  Highly
recommended from this quarter,if you have a decent video store in your town.

Other recent favorites:  Hitchcock's *The Lady Vanishes*.  The Japanese film
*Tampopo*.  *Charlie Chan at the opera*.

Marty
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: One simple question

> There's something that's been bothering me lately. It seems that whenever
> you choose to do something, you are (whether you know it or not) choosing
> not to do something else. For example, if I choose to buy a mink coat
> today, I may also have just chosen not to be able to pay an emergency
> medical bill in the near future.

Anne, you can cover my economics classes for me.  My students
probably tire of me saying "Economics is as much about what people
choose not to do as it is about what they choose to do."  Some of
you may have heard the short form expression, "opportunity cost."

> So my question is: how do you know when a choice isn't going to come back
> on you?

You don't.  You do the best you can with what you have.

Steve Karlson

Natura non facit saltum
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WHTMINYC Part 7, The Conclusion
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992, Doris Smith wrote:

> Anne Burton Harwell, you have shown me NYC! I thank you.  Many writers
> have told me about it, but you *showed* me.  Well done.

Thanks, Doris. YOU seem to have been able to muddle through it without
having your mind completely derailed by my use of "enormity."

-abh
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:10:17 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Nov. 22, 1963

>Yes, and you know that you must respect your elders, so would you mind
>writing a bit larger?
>Doris

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Or ask Ken or Rashmi or someone.

tushar
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Choosing the appropriate insult...
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Thank you Carol!  That's the one.  Funny how you can get these
blind spots about words at times.  Actually, it's not <quite> what
I was after because the substitution is of an *erroneous* word
whereas a genteelism is merely a pretentious but synonymous
word.  But that was undoubtedly what i was thinking of.

G
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:01:43 -0500
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject: Re: Professional Activities on Electronic Networks
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              Macmillan" at Nov 9, 92 3:43 pm

>
> >While we are talking about professional activies and e-mail - how
> >would you reference something you have come across on the nets - say,
> >on WORDS-L? What form would this take and how could anyone double-check?
> >
> >Agnes
>
> I have a copy of a paper titled "Bibliographic References for
> Computer Files in the Social Sciences: A Discussion Paper" by Sue A.
> Dodd of the Institute for Research in Social Science at the
> University of North Carolina.  I can send it to you if you think it
> would be of interest.  It's about 18K.  I seem to remember your
> grumbling about lack of space, so I didn't just shoot it off to you.
>
> Michael E. Macmillan
> (macmillm@ewc)
>
I would be interested - if I expect it and can download it without
it sitting around gathering dust and taking up disk space, I'll be OK.
Besides, what do you think I have been doing all day today? (Going back
over OLD - I MEAN REALLY REALLY OLD - mail and cleaning up - that's
what...instead of doing other more or equally useful things....Harrumph...)
So please do send the document -

Thanks, Michael -

Agnes
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From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 11:10:16 GMT
Organization: nope

>
>What our subconsciouses hold is *scary*. 

>G

Yup -- and that's why -all- dowsing can be "explained" in a "possibly 
scientific" way, i.e., as physical manifestations of such buried 
skills.

*Asbestos umbrella* -- I'm not saying I believe in any of them, please note.

--bayla
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>> the Aaron episode, but I recall you were in the project-h discussion
>> which, while heated, did not involve the ad hominems that precipated the
>> latest discussion.
>
>Yes it did.  I called Graham and Anne paranoid crazies, I think.  :-)
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>P.S.  The list didn't fall apart then.  It's not gonna fall apart now.
>Let's hear it for Portland '93.

How did I miss this?  Of course the attacks were ad hominem.  Graham
at one point during the height of the Project H fiasco, suggested that
Jim Thomas and I were lovers.  No, I did not save the posting, but I'm
sure it exists someplace, and I don't feel libeled or slandered: merely
educated....

Ken
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From:         leah <LEAH@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Self-Hating Jews
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Actually, Tony, the first time I had heard the expression, probably thirty
years ago, it was in reference to Phillip Roth, who had just written Portnoy's
Complaint. The objections (not to the pornography) but to the portrayal of
Jewish family life, and most particularly the Jewish mother, were quite pained.
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From:         Price Caldwell <tpc1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help on a word?
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> Friends -- did my plea wrt symbolism/reification not get out past eniac, or
> are you all <stumped>, or wh?  Thought I'd have heard from at least
> one pedant by now :-)

I forwarded it to Price Caldwell, who is into things semiotic.  (He has
'nomail' set on the list.)  I'm surprised he hasn't answered.  He loves
questions like that.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)


I'm thinking, I'm thinking!

--Price
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Posted on 11 Nov 1992 at 16:02:58 by Judith E. Schrier

>>I waited outside Spat's oblivious to the cold, eagerly anticipating the
>>meeting with the woman Neal had called "ineffable", and about whom Ann Mandi
>>had simply said, "Words don't suffice."
>
>Uh...What does "ineffable" mean?

It can also mean "that must not be named".

Tony H.
(Who remembers fondly the Princess Ineffabelle)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: California makes history!

>Delighted to see Democracy has been restored in your fine country.
>
>G

And here I have been laboring all along under the misconception that it's how
and not who that matters.  Guess as long as the dictators chosen by the U.S.
gov't for <little> countries are the <right> dictators, nothing's amiss.

-K

-Mka
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------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> Hi, everyone!
>
> Three weeks ago tomorrow was our big day, and a fine day it turned out
> to be. The weather cooperated with a crisp, sunny day. Helen looked
> great in a long, flowing, pale pink dress. The church service was in
>
> /Jim

Jim,

Welcome back!  I was just thinking about you a day or so ago.  I realized
that I had lost track of when your wedding was to be.  It sounds like it
was *perfect*.  Congratulations to both you and Helen!

Rita L.
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WoW! Natalie that was tons of time ago.

Maybe it was Meeting Street cafe (who earned the RI magazine best
sandwich award...)

In any event be assured that you came into contact with the best
spirit of Geoff's (named after the meat distributors who took
over the famous JOE'S on Benefit street.  [Really named, and
listed in the telephone book as, "Joe's old abandoned grocery store."]
That is, as a RISD then MIT student I managed Joe's (after starting as
a part time student worker) and certainly sliced more meat and half
sour pickles than all but the former manager. An excellent Deli with
an attitude ... which I'll have to admit you missed.  A real 20
questions fast and you're dumb ... we touch your sandwich attitude.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: another lame unix question
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>    abh's message.  I have been unable to post directly since early
>    morning Saturday (I assume because of the AT&T problems).  I

I don't think the AT&T problems affected anybody but Ken.  Your system
was apparently sick over the weekend.  I just got a direct note from you
that was written Saturday.  (I mean I just read it.  It got here around
midnight last night.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question

>Shekhinah is Hebrew, and it is said in the Talmud that human senses cannot
>perceive Jehovah, but that we can see, hear, and touch the Shekhinah, the
>divine emanation from God.  The word is feminine in gender, and so many
>people read this as a feminine divine principle.

This is interesting, because there are people in India who will name them-
selves after words like these (divine principle etc). Such people and their
cults are actually looked upon as a little bit weird, by the way. Anyway,
not to draw parallels, but what were those books about? Is it all part of
a coherent movement or religion? How widespread is it? What is it all about?

Information only, please.

tushar
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Subject:      Re: Clear the air

>>A good example of how my small point has been missed. Mem didn't
>>NAME her that. The name was appropriated later.
>
>My memory matches Anne on this one. I did not name myself this.

Nonsense. You are the first to use the phrase "List Angel". He
merely said something about "angel". That was a normal acceptable
reaction.

Jeez.

tushar
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