HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Saddam
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:08:35 GMT
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In article <1993Jan27.133258.26805@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) writes:
>>>   As if I need excuses to flame whoever the hell I damned well wanted
>>>to flame. Do you call this a flame? If I actually flamed you probably
>>>you would accuse me of physical violence against women!
>
>>I seriously believe that you need good psychiatric help.  I honestly do
>>not mean this as an insult, but there is definitely something not right
>>with the way that you function, Nabeel.
>>Salamtak -
>>Anisa
>Is that relevant to the discussion about Saddam and the gulf crisis ?

Well brother Ahmed, these 2 (Anisa and Nabeel) are like
oil on fire (Mitl ashahm annar).  You know when you put
oil in the fire the flames reach the sky.  They have been
rivals for quite sometime.  The battling relationship
they have is rather strange.  They are not two of a kind
in ideas, but in battling methods they are.

Watch and see.  Nabeel and Anisa will become friends soon.
Just like 2 lions, on the initial contact they are fighting,
a few hours later, they go hunt together.

This has happened ot me in the past with another poster,
we hated each other's guts.  After battling with her for a year,
all of the sudden we became on *VERY* good terms.

I ask that both of them refrain from insulting each other
in public, and keep it in private mail.

jle
From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Belly Dance Book
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:54:36 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
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I found the following book which might be of interest. On the other hand I can't find the
original thread. I hope the original poster reads this thread.


  LC Call Number: GV1798.5 .B86 1983

             Author: Buonaventura, Wendy, 1950-

              Title: Belly dancing : the serpent and the sphinx / by Wendy
                      Buonaventura.

   Publication Info: London : Virago, c1983.
  Phys. Description: xii, 167 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.

              Notes: Bibliography: p. 166-167.

           Subjects: Belly dance--History.
           Subjects: Women, Muslim--Conduct of life.

     LC Card Number:    83670093
               ISBN: 0-86068-279-X (pbk.) :  5.95 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6918 talk.politics.mideast:26246
From: martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:23:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp., Hopkinton Mass.


   From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)

   Askew makes one crucial implication, which makes his entire argument
   seem reasonable but which is false.

   He implies that there is an equivalency between the Jews who were
   kicked out of their homes by the Jordanians and the Arabs who
   voluntarily left their homes to make their expected destruction of
   Israel easier.

How can you possibly know that Palestinians were abandoning their
homes out of some such scheme?

1) There is no reason to assume anyone thought the retreat of civilian
Arabs would make the destruction of the Jewish community easier.

2) Leaving a place where violence is common makes good sense if one
has another place to go whether one has good, bad or indifferent
intentions toward anyone else.

   The Jews in the sections of Jerusalem taken over by the Arabs were
   kicked out of their homes.  The Arabs who left their homes, with
   precious few exceptions, left voluntarily of their own free will.

If I say to you give me your money or I will kill you, and you give me
your money, by your logic I can argue, you gave me your money of your
own free will, and therefore I have every right to keep your money.

   There is no equivalency there.  When one voluntarily abandons
   property, there is no obligation to compensate him or her for it.

   Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org

Well, I guess there was no obligation on the part of Germany to
compensate Jewish people for abandoned property if the Jewish people
left Germany to avoid the violence common in Germany at the time.
-- 
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
From: kts@callisto.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Karim Shafik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: this is a test
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:08:31 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

this si just a test. mallech habibi.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Bdira's Superfatwa (Re: Khomainy, etc.)
Keywords: Bulbul, serious, sarcasm, Usenet Storm
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:34:34 GMT

In <C14M8w.Gvo@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:

" His next Fatwah will be probably about Hassan Turabi of Sudan

" He might be a Muhaddith, but sure he is no Faqih.
" The difference between a Muhaddith and a Faqih is the difference between
" a RAM and a CPU in the computer. With the availability of hard disks
" who needs Muhaddiths, all we need is people who understand and who can
" sincerely use the wealth of information in books.
" I still respect Al-Albani, though.. I read some of his work.

   I think the above is the funniest post on the matter. The post is
sarcastic about Al-Bani as in the first line cited here. And the last
line claims that Mr. B. respects Al-Albani, probably, like I respect
Fahd & The Gang.

   I do not know how Mr. B. concluded that Al-Albani is not a Faqih, I,
though, hope it is not from his posted Fatwa. I do not know how to say
this, but Mr. B. hints here that Muhaddiths can not distinguish between
Kufr and Iman, which is required from every Muslim, wheter they are
engineers or otherwise. Furthermore, Mr. B., presumably not a Faqih
himself, passes judgements on others. Isn't engineering amazing?

Mr. B. should have associated some of his famous probabilities to
his statements -- say Epsilon!

   I take Albani's Fatwa to apply on those who believe in what was written
in the version of "Islamic Government" he read. I do not know whether that
version was forged by anti-Shiite organisations as some Shiite people
claim.

** I myself think that there exist decent Shiite people as well as indecent
Shiites; the same applies to Sunnies.

** If some "unity" can be split by Usenet posts, then surely it is a
very strong unity, where can I get one?

** I acknowledge that Asians and Africans are relatively very dense when
it comes to discussing religious matters, and I have other things to do
with my time. Sorry to seem offensive, but the truth almost always socks.



** wi gullahA yA misAfir, 
   kaif inni .gAyib wi .ha.zir 
   zay minta ^sAyif wi _hAbir.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Subject: Re: To Mr. Faris
Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:44:57 GMT

To Mr. Khalil:

Yes, I may have overreacted to Mr. Faris and I offer my apologies to him.

I am not claming to be a judge of who is "Christian" and who is not but
I don't believe in hypocrisy.

If one is to charge another with indecency, then they had better apply
those standards upon themselves. Mr. Faris' last messages cannot be called
"decent" to put it mildly, but I welcome his move terminate the
discussion.

Regarding Mr. Hamza please refer to what I wrote previously.

Again, I will freely condemn myself if I fail to meet the standards that
I expect of others. Therefore, I apologize to Mr. Faris for any comments
which may have crossed those limits and condemn myself of hypocrisy.

Please, I hope no one else continues this thread!!!!

I do not wish to receive endless rebuttals about who started what. The
issue is that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Salam,

John
From: rtrisack@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Risack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Fatwa of Albani on Khomeini
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:40:43 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
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Keywords: fatwa, Khumeini

khater@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Issam Abu-Khater) writes:

>What you are talking about? Also the we know that if somebody opostate (irtad)
>he is to repent or killed. In the case of Christians Allah said about them
>"Musriks" and "Kafirs". So every person who have a dogma other than the
>true Islam falls into this catagory.

I was told (but by a german Islamic Scientist) that only the inhabitants of
Mekka, who didn't beleave in Islam, was named in this way.
Christians and Jews are called 'a.hlu l-kitAb (people of the book) as I
remember. Mu^srikUn belongs to the origin ^s-r-k which has something to do
with many --> Mu^srikUn: polytheists
Was that opinion wrong, Issam?
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Remember: Robert Kennedy  Robin Hood  Knecht Ruprecht  Bob Marley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: oueichek@gram (Ibaa Oueichek)
Subject: Re: Saddam
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:36:41 GMT

Nick Steel (steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan27.180805.23713@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:

: Generalization is just not the right way to address things.
: Can you say that the Palestinians sold Palestine to 
: the invadors?  No you shouldn't most Palestinians will not
: give up one inch, but jerks like Arafat and Ashrawi 
: have officially sold it.

 John, for G-d's sake, don't judge people in this way. I don't care for Arafat,
but Ashrawi and the Palestinian delegates are certainly not jerks. And don't
forget, if there's someone who knows really how harsh it is to live under
occupation it's them, not you neither i. After all, it's THEIR country, not 
ours, and noone helped the Palestinians since they lost their land, NOONE. They
never had the chance nor the opportunity to decide for themselves, now they may
have it, and i guess they are fed-up with the freindly interventions.

  Your enthousiasm and sympathy for the Palestinian cause (which is to your 
credit) don't give you the right to decide for them. After all, all what i see
till now proves that they didn't sell anything.
  I remember a story about a bear who loved his son very much, so much that
once he embrassed him too strongly and the little bear died. We should stop
playing the lovely fathers and looking at the Palestinians as if they were
immature or stupid. All what they have done during the last two years proves
the contrary, they are very well organized, they know what they want and they
WILL get it (hopefully).
  
: 
: jle

--
Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr
    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | IMAG, INPG.
Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
    Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i)  |
					

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Be careful... The dirty plan...
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:22:57 GMT

jhardono@ucs.indiana.edu (JUMAHADI HARDONO) writes:

# Dear netters,
# 	Have you heard a speech by Ya.. Shamir (Israel's prime Minister)
# about Israel's claim on Arab land from Nile river to Euphrate river according
# to jews bible (Torah)? 

1) He is no longer prime minister, in case you have not noticed.

2) Can you give the exact source and text of that speech, and when it
   was made? If you will not answer, I will have to conclude you
   invented this. I am waiting for your answer.

-Danny Keren.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: Saddam
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:08:05 GMT

Hi fellow Netters

Let's not go to extremes when we analyze something.

Those of us who say :" Give me proof that there were Kuwaitis raped during Iraq's
invasion of Kuwait", please be a little bit sensitive.

What proof do you want ?  A cameraman present at the time a Iraqi Soldier raped a
Kuwaiti sister ? Even then you might ask for proof that this incident happened
and it is not one of Hollywood's Cinema tricks.

Please grow up.


Let me tell you a story, maybe you will understand:

In the local Masjid we have a Kuwaiti brother. Upon the invasion of Kuwait and
the war between US and Iraq, several Palestinians used to harrasse that brother
(by words). When he told them that soldiers were raping Kuwaiti women their
answer was:

"Did you see it ?", obviously not.

Then after Iraq was defeated and the Kuwaiti militias gained control, Kuwaiti
militiamen began raping palestinians. At that time the Palestinian brothers came
and started talking about it. The kuwaiti brother was there but he didn't say
anything, eventhough they didn't see anything.


It is a fact that atrocities were committed, people died women were raped. Now
should we doubt those facts then we should also doubt the facts that Muslim women
are being raped in Bosnia by serbs (the two facts are from the same source US
Media).


Coclusion:
----------

Any army which is not well prepared and educated about war will lout (sp?) and
rape when they have the power, especially when they are fed everyday propaganda
about how the enemy has robbed them of THEIR wealth and is using it to destroy
them.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: samir@tfs.com (Samir Elias)
Subject: Re: To Mr. Hamza
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:10:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.015719.18268@news.columbia.edu> jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) writes:
>Dear Mr. Hamza,
>
>I have been purposely ignoring all the nonsense which is leading to
>division and inciting flames rather than appealing for calm and  
>mutually respectable dialogue.
>
>So, do not interpret this message as an invitation for discussion. I
>have no interests in offending others and I refuse to engage in this type 
>of childish and disgraceful conduct.
>
>But what really struck me was your implicit attacks at myself and Mr. 
>Oueichek when you ridiculed interests which you do not subscribe to. 
>I really wish you hadn't dragged me into this.
>
>Let me tell you that you are correct in assuming that when humans
>are suffering then perhaps there is an obligation for all of us to take
>such matters with grave seriousness.
>
>BUT:
>
>I am here to tell you that your consistently abusive style does not 
>do justice to those who are suffering. You ought to be ashamed of
>yourself if you are to employ that tone to "defend" them. Perhaps
>most of them would not seek your "defense" and would feel very degraded
>by it if that was to be the substance of it.
>
>If I had felt that your style was warranted by a need express commitment 
>to those who suffer and that your remarks were a worthy statement of
>that fact then I would have wholeheartedly supported your efforts.
>
>However, I do not find that hurling insults upon others (some of them your 
>fellow countrymen) is an effective strategy in voicing such concerns.
>
>If you are really moved by the misery and deaths of innocents then you 
>would have never allowed yourself to act in this way. For, the person
>who respects others must first respect himself.
>
>Please try to maintain some self-respect and desist from such conduct
>in the future.
>
>Again, this is not an invitation for any sort of exchange. I just thought
>I should inform of these points.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>John Absood

Dear Sir:

This is also directed to other netters, When you are engaging in some
sort of discussion on the net the assumption is that it will not
involve only 2 people,otherwise you can use e-mail,So please include
refferences to the article that you are discussing,or try to refrain
from posting articles that should be seen only by one person.

This is only true if you want your article to be read and the opinions
described in your article to be even considered.






P.S.
----
The above reflects only my opinions they by no means reflect those
of my employer.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Belly Dance Book
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:32:40 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
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O.K. Change the title ! make that books
                                      ~ 

  LC Call Number: GV1798.5 .B86 1983

             Author: Buonaventura, Wendy, 1950-

              Title: Belly dancing : the serpent and the sphinx / by Wendy
                      Buonaventura.

   Publication Info: London : Virago, c1983.
  Phys. Description: xii, 167 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.

              Notes: Bibliography: p. 166-167.

           Subjects: Belly dance--History.
           Subjects: Women, Muslim--Conduct of life.

     LC Card Number:    83670093
               ISBN: 0-86068-279-X (pbk.) :  5.95 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Call #:  GV1798.5 .G56 1980  Main Stack

          Author:  Gioseffi, Daniela.

           Title:  Earth dancing, mother nature's oldest rite / Daniela
                     Gioseffi ; foreword by Linda Small.
                   Harrisburg, Pa. : Stackpole Books, c1980.
                   223 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.

           Notes:  Bibliography: p. 198-202.
                   Includes index.

        Subjects:  Belly dance--History.
                   Belly dance.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AUTHOR:   Mishkin, Julie Russo
TITLE:    The complete belly dancer, by Julie Russo Mishkin and Marta Schill.
IMPRINT:  Doubleday, 1973.
          160 p. illus.\
OTHER:    Schill, Marta
TOPICS:   Belly dance
NOTES:    Language:       Year: 
          Item CSUU1117114-B (Books)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
AUTHOR:   Wilson, Serena.
TITLE:    The Serena technique of belly dancing; the fun way to a trim shape, 
            by Serena and Alan Wilson.
IMPRINT:  New York, Drake Publishers [1972]
          201 p. illus. 23 cm.
 
OTHER:    Wilson, Alan, joint author.
TOPICS:   Belly dance.
NOTES:    "An Alanhouse package."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
 Berger, Morroe.
     A curious and wonderful gymnastic [by Morroe Berger and La Meri, pseud.  
   Brooklyn, Dance Perspectives, inc.] 1961.
     Series title:  Dance perspectives, 10.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Dahlena.
     The art of belly dancing / Dahlena, with Dona Z. Meilach.  New York :
   Bantam Books, 1975.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: srose@mizar.usc.edu (Steve Rose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Does anyone have a good cupsa/kupsa recipe?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:55:02 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Assalamu alaykum.

I am posting this note on behalf of a friend who is just learning about
the Internet.  I will let her describe what she is interested in -
you could reply by email to my account (srose@usc.edu), and I will forward it.

Thank you,

Steve Rose

>
>Wajeha writes:
>
>I met some students from Arizona State University who cooks kupsa, which
>is made of chicken and rice, the chicken is cooked three different times.
>It takes three hours to make this dish.  If that you know of any recipe
>that is good for your health, please let me know.
>
>Wajeha A. Bilal

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam)
Subject: Re: Jews and Ozir (Was Re: What is H a m a s ??)
Reply-To: ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:18:00 GMT


In a previous article, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) says:

>cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
># I would like to tell you that the story of Ozair is not the only crime the
># Jews have commited against their religions, the Prophets, and Allah.  They 
># killed so many Prophets as well as so many good people who call for justice.
># They have many false imaginations about Allah.  They believe that Allah is
># a human-like and that Yacob defeated him breaking his leg.  They believe that
># Yacob force Allah, after breaking his leg, to call him Israel, etc.
>
>Oh, stop with your Jew-hating rubbish already. Stop slandering Judaism
>and spreading hatered, you ignorant twerp.
>
>Just for the record, Jacob fought with an *angel*, not with God. Why
>don't you shut your trap and stop talking about things you know
>nothing about? Sigh.

Although I don't like your way of insulting Hamzah, I would like
to hear your version of the story. Please grow up!

Did Jacob (pbuh) break the Angels leg?  Which leg though?
Is there a description of the angel in the story that mentioned
in the Torat?  Why was their a fight?

>
>-Danny Keren.
>
>

-IA, OH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Sadam
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:16:21 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
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In article <nabeel.727988902@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>In <1687@yetti.UUCP> aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze) writes:
>
>" I am not Anisa, but I really couldn't let this goes by without answering it.
>   Neither am I JLE, but that does not mean you can misinterpret
>his post and say this.

Thanks Nabeel.  We seem to agree for once again.
How about this:  You and I ally against Anisa now?  :)))

(Just kidding Anisa, you and I agree on almost 90% of the issues)

But, I guess you and I cannot ally far, I speak strongly about 
Occupied Palestine and you seem to care less than me, Nabeel.

>   JLE's idea was that, whatever Saddam has done does not deny him the
>chance of repentance. [As I understand it.]

Indeed.
jle
From: aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Sadam
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:56:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1690
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <nabeel.727988902@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
Some discussion about is Saadam a Moslem or not.


>   JLE's idea was that, whatever Saddam has done does not deny him the
>chance of repentance. [As I understand it.]

First, it is not "has done" it is "still doing", there is a big difference.

Second, What exactly do you mean by "repentence".
To the best of my knowledge, to repent, you have to acknowledge first
that you have done something wrong and vow not to repeat it again.
When did Sadam acknowledge any thing wrong he has done ?
if you have any information about this, please let us know, I am willing
to be persuaded.

>
>" >jle
>

>   If you are a Muslim ruler and some people opposed you, would you be
>patting their backs because they are Muslims?
>

That is a very hypothetical question. However, my answer is 
I WILL NOT KILL THEM unelss there is something mysterious about being
in power that completely ruin people mind and turn them into power hungary
murderers.

>
>** `afat-i al-khaleeju wa naafaqa al-'a`raabu
>       `amalu al-munafiqi fi al-.hayaati saraabu
>    ka_daboo faqultu la`alla feehim .saadiqan
>       fa'i_da al-.s.sadooqu munaafiqun ka_d_daabu
>                                               --<NMG>, 1993

Mokhtar Aboelaze   aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca