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From: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Haskell .45ACP semi-auto for $125 NIB!
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:16:04 GMT
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <viking.721546752@vincent2.iastate.edu> by viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson):

# 	Anyway, if you're looking for a cheap, reliable, fun
# pistol to play with these might be worth your consideration.  The
# company is Haskall Mfg, of Lima, Ohio.  No, it's not a Glock, or
# even a Taurus or Star.  Fit and finish took a dive to give you a
# low cost.  However, where it counts the things have been built
# quite well.  For this price, I'm willing to wear it while camping,
# riding, or whatever.  As a defense gun in the home, who cares if
# the police sieze it as evidence?  It would make a great stocking
# stuffer, I suppose, for that special someone who borrows your
# guns at the range every time you go out.

Hey, it ain't even a Japanese type 94, never mind a Glock!  What it IS is a
one handed, semi-auto Sten gun.  I honestly can't see buying one of these
when you can get an Egyptian Beretta, an Enfield revolver, Tokarev, or even
a new Daewoo for very little more.  That of course excludes the great deals
you can get on used police guns, including Model 39 Smiths and various
.357s.

Spend your money the way you want, but you DO get what you pay for.
# 
 
# 
# 


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From: mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Matt Wette)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Defense/Combat Questions
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:51 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory


In article <199211160438.AA22652@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com>,
kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:

|> (1) I've read quite a few defense/combat articles wherein the good guys
|>     mount flash lights on their weapons and go searching for the bad guys.
|>     I understand that it is very important to see the objects before you
|>     shoot. However, using a flash light just reveals your position, IMO.
|>     Even though some gun writers recommend that you put the flash lights
|>     on  the right side of your body to fool the bad guys. But unless you
|>     use the flash lights directly on them, they can still see you moving
|>     around. It seems to me that using a flash light can get you killed
|>     DEAD. Nevertheless, most combat authority still use flash lights.
|>     So what am I missing here?

Requiring the muzzle to follow the flashlight beam seems particulary
unsafe to me.  I would only want the muzzle to point at something I
intend to shoot, while I would want the flashlight to be able to point
at things I want to see (like my kid).

Matt
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From: mxb1517@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.X. Blair)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Defense/Combat Questions
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:06:06 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov17.023122.7776@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:

[stuff deleted]

#What we were shown was rather simple.  Hold the flashlight at
#arms length.  Most bad guys will shoot at the light, and be off
#by one arms length from your vitals...  You shoot at their muzzle flash...


	That is, as long as the ambient light doesn't light up enough of you
in the process.  Just a point brought up in _Street_Survival_ ( The 
_Tactical_Edge_ companion ).  [ I've worked for both private and campus
security - night shift while in college, and this point has been raised
before.  Basic idea - make sure you can identify your "target" without
letting them do the same.]


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From: howardjg@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (John G Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: RUGER P90DC INFO. NEEDED
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:06:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman

In article <4mjq-!d@lynx.unm.edu> vtroll%triton.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu  
(Vincent Trollinger) writes:
# Can anyone help me with information or comments on the pistol above  
?
# E-mail replys to:  vtroll@triton.unm.edu
# 
# THANKS VERY MUCH !
# Vince


	I looked at one recently, and it had to be one of the HUGEST  
45s I've ever held- plus it is only 7+1!!!

	Go buy something that is a tad bit smaller, has better  
capacity, feels like it was soundly constructed and is light...

	Try one of the new Sigs...


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From: julian%bongo.UUCP@nosc.mil (Julian Macassey)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Rifle Case
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:35:10 GMT
Organization: The Hole in the Wall  Hollywood California U.S.A.



	For some time I have been looking for a decent and affordable
rifle case for my evil AR-15. Here in California, the second amendment
seems to imply that I can keep but not bear arms. This makes getting
the old firearm to the range a tad tricky.

	Some people wrap their guns in blankets and pretend they are
curtain rods. Others use various gun cases. Many people sell "Nylon
Assault Rifle Cases". These are made to fit an AR-15 and have pouches
for magazines. They come in black or cammo. These are soft cases and
offer little protection. They look like they contain an AR-15 - They
usually do. Then there are nifty hard aluminium cases about 40
Ins long, just the job, but they cost $150.00 and up. Then there are
the plastic Doskocil (SP?) cases ($40.00). These are long enough for 
a pair of double barreled wildfowl shotguns. They are unwieldy, hardly 
fit in most trunks and have some some godawful ugly moulded carvings 
of animals in the plastic. Ugly, tasteless and unwieldy all in one case.

	But the big problem with these cases is they say "Rifle Case"
to anyone who sees you sauntering down Melrose Avenue carrying it.
Seeing as having a rifle is not politically correct, this can cause
unwanted grief.

	So,  while visiting musician friends I noticed they had 
these cool guitar shaped cases that fit an AR-15 with a few inches 
to spare. So I bought a guitar case at my local guitar store. These 
cost between $50-75 new. Less used with Van Halen stickers on them. 
They need some surgery to remove the guitar neck supports etc. But they 
make a damn fine case. Someone with some skill could add elastic grips 
for spare mags etc and have a very nice setup.

	The big plus is it doesn't look like a gun case. Now if I get
some tatoos, earrings and long hair, I can look like I know how to play
a guitar too.


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From: jimd@sfu.ca (Jim Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Plastic Magazines
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:24:49 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes:


##In article <1992Nov18.171411.17005@netcom.com>, pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
### Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, with Ramline's 18-round (!) Sig
### P226 magazines?  I was considering ordering a couple, but would like to know
### what their reputation for reliability/durability is.  Thanks in advance...
### 
### Paul Yoshimune
##
#Clayton E. Cramer writes:
##I used to think highly of Ramline's pistol magazines.  I won't buy them
##any more.  They don't seem to last long enough to trust my life on.

#Every Ramline magazine I have ever seen has broken, usually the feed lips.
#True Story: 
#	I bought a AR-7 .22 rifle.  It came with a ramline magazine.
#I bought a spare ramline magazine for it.  Took it out, shot it, and
#within 3-4 magazines full the feed lips broke.  I opened the other
#magazine, it worked for a couple of months (at least 30 full loads)
#and then broke.  I never left it loaded, but the feed lips cracked
#and snapped off.  Which caused all the .22 shells to spray out at once.
#Now, I was totally out of magazines, and couldn't find an original steel
#one, so I bought a third ramline.  Broke within 2 clips full.
#	The 10/22 magazines seem to be a little more sturdy...  but they
#have the same feed lip wear problem, and you can't take them apart to
#clean them. 

Unless newer 10-22 mags are different, you CAN take them apart to clean
them, and quite easily, too! Not having one in front of me, I cant
give detailed instructions, but it is easy, using just ascrewdriver,
if I remember correctly. BTW, I have never had a 10-22 mag ever wear
out, and I have put a LOT of ammo thru many mags!

 
#	I guess I should have learned my lesson, but I recently bought
#some Zytel M-16 mags (made in Canada).  I've had way too many misfeeds
#with these to trust them, but I haven't worn out the feed lips... yet.

#In short, plastic magazines have given me nothing but problems.  Platic
#is ok for stocks, or followers in magazines, but I don't think it's
#adequate for magazines.
# 
Have had similar experiences to yours re RAMLINE mags :-( The quality
sucks, I feel. 

Jim Davies
From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: RUGER super blackhawk vs super redhawk
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:18:58 GMT
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA

In article <1992Nov19.182811.21007@dsd.es.com> bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss) writes:
#I want to buy either the super blackhawk hunter or the
#super redhawk stainless .44 mag. The blackhawk is single
#action with fixed cylinder. The super redhawk is double
#action with swing out cylinder. I like the feel of the
#super redhawk better, but I kind of wanted a single action.
#I was also wondering about the fixed vs. swing open type
#cylinders. The super redhawk has a much thicker barrel. 
#Price is not the issue. I can get the super blackhawk for 317.00
#and the super redhawk for 378.00. thru my ffl. 
#I am interesed on comments about these guns and general topics
#that I have listed.
#
I should preface this by saying that I've never used the 
"hunter" version of these guns, but I think most data from
the standard models will apply.

I personally hunt (and shoot target, and plink) with a Super
Blackhawk (old model, but I don't think it makes much difference
in this discussion).  I've stayed with the same gun because
there is something to be said from being very familiar with
a gun, and also because I am constantly developing the system
(me, the gun, the ammunition) and the system is constantly
improving.

The Super Blackhawk is an excellent hunter, although I 
suggest Pachmayr grips to make the big game loads more
comfortable to practice with.  From personal experience, the
best hunting stance is a Weaver stance with left-thumb
cocking, so the SA/DA difference is not important.  When
you master this, you can be _very_ fast and _very_
accurate.  Before the Freedom Arms .454, this was considered
one of the strongest handguns made.

Interestingly, in an article to compare .44 Mag and .30-30,
Guns and Ammo found that _most_ of their test subjects,
neophytes and pistoleros alike, were more accurate at 100
yards with the Super Blackhawk than with the Winchester 94.

My experience with the Super Redhawk is limited, but very
positive.  The one I shot _may_ be just a bit more accurate
than my Super Blackhawk, but that's just a maybe.  I think
you'd be just fine picking whichever you like best.

If you hunt with .44 Mag, be _sure_ to get a Hodgdon's
reloading manual (any printing) and study the H 110 loads.

Whichever you pick, I hope you have as much fun as I've had.


Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Right-handed/left-eyed: how to retrain eyes?
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:09:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.Bxu16H.D2n
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site

David Basiji (basiji@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: 
: I am right handed but left-eye dominant.
: I currently have three options with my right-handed rifle:
: 	1) shoot left handed and struggle to work the action
: 	2) shoot right handed with my left eye closed
: 	3) shoot right handed with both eyes open.

(Stuff deleted)

: Has anyone done this successfully?  Am I going about it wrong? Any tips?

I think you may be going about it wrong.  If you think shooting a rifle at
a stationary target is hard with the "wrong eye" condition, try shooting
trap or skeet!  Although it does not seem to be a large portion of the
population, many people have this problem.  The clay target shooters I know
combat this problem by putting a small, translucent disk on their shooting
glasses so that the front bead is obscured from the dominant eye when in
the "gun-mounted-waiting-for-a-target" position.  This keeps the dominant
eye from supplying incorrect positional information when the sight plane is
close to the target but it allows both eyes to be used for target
aquisition on targets that are outside the range of the obscuring disc.
These discs are available from some eyewear shops but alot of people just
cut a small piece of Scotch tape and use it.

-Scot
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Browning Hi-Powers
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:53 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <9211172100.AA27598@stortek.com>, vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes:
# At one time, (several years back), there was a question about Hi-Powers
# feeding HP ammo.  For you high-Power owners out their, what has your
# experience been?
#                                 Bill Vojak

Mine works fine with Silvertips.  I haven't tried any other type of
HP ammo.
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From: upchrch!joel@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need info on small .25 semi-auto handgun
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:09:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: upchrch.3wNauB2w164w
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

# 	I wouldn't claim anything great about .22, but I bet stingers
# 	beat .25 ACP hands down. (for those restricted to micro guns).
# 	Out of a 2.5" barrel, I've chronyied CCI stingers at  1075 fps+
# 	on average.   At 32 grains, that seems better than .25 ACP 50 gr,
# 	800 fps pebbles that bounce off heads.
# 
# 	In fact, in any barrel length, 2.5"+, even .32 ACP doesn't seem 
# 	like it could be much better.  While the diameter is greater, the
# 	ke figures are about the same or less than Stingers.  Is this
# 	wrong?  I am not praising CCI stingers, so much as denegrating .32
# 	ACP.   Did Marshall collect any info on CCI stingers or other .22lr?

#From what I've read Stingers aren't a good idea for a self-defense ammo.
The problem is that the hollow points open up too fast, so they don't
get any penetration. There was one guy on this group that said that
he got shot several times in the back by an assailant firing Stingers
and recovered. He said that he would have been able to return fire if
he had a gun with him.

The conventional wisdom is that the best bet with .22LR is to use high
velocity solids to increase the chances of getting enough penetration
to do the job.

(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.edu (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle in Defense (.308 penetration?!)
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:20:25 GMT
Organization: Common Container Liberation Front


#In article <1992Nov19.195759.11856@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>
#jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath) writes:
#
##>I will use my laser-sighted .308 SIG AMT, loaded with 20 rounda of
##>frangible ammunition, unless I have no other weapon at my disposal.
##>The 18" barrel makes it handy around corners, the softnose ammo will
##>not penetrate decent drywall

I have to agree with the gentleman who doubts the claim that softnose .308
ammo will not penetrate drywall.  I have personally shot a Crosman pellet
gun (.177 caliber at about 700 fps) completely through an interior wall
that had drywall on either side (I assume that this is what you mean when
you say two layers).  I have also shot completely through an interior
door (typical hollow construction).  If your 180 grain .308 softpoints
will not do the same (at the bare minimum!), then either you have armored
drywall or a very weak .308.  .308 softpoint should be able to penetrate
drywall, and a lot of it.  I have a .30-06 which is only a bit more powerful
than your .308, and I am pretty sure it would go through a cinderblock firewall
in a addition to a layer of drywall on each side.

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From: ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: distance a .22 lr travels
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:15:30 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Nov16.055857.1541@netcom.com> pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
#Well, there has been much talk lately about shooting safety, and one thing
#which seems to constantly come up is knowing what is beyond your target, and
#having a good backstop.  As an IPSC shooter, I agree with and obey these rules.
#My question though, concerns hunters: When taking shots at deer or birds in
#flight, or whatever, more times than not you don't have a clear backstop, or
#one at all (shooting in the air).  Isn't this in violation of the above rules,
#since you pretty much have no idea where that bullet is going to land?  
#Incidentally, this is one reason I'm somewhat leary of hunting...seems that the
#chances of getting nailed by a stray round aren't exactly high, but they're
#there.  Hmmm...

Having birdshot rain on you is *expected* at most dove shoots. Just wear
eye protection and ignore it. With the .22LR hunting tree rats, high angle
shots can occasionally result in falling rounds striking you or a companion.
It smarts a bit through a coat. I've never had the skin broken, however.
When shooting at lower angles, know the area well. If there is a populated
area in one direction, don't fire that way, move around the tree and shoot
from another angle. Ideally, use the tree trunk as a backstop if possible.
When hunting deer and using flat angle shots, the woods behind the deer
make an effective backstop. The odds of a bullet threading through several
acres of tree trunks is essentially nil. You do need to know who else is
hunting in the area and where they are. Thus hunting clubs on private
property are preferred to public lands.

Gary
From: mbehrens@barqs.amd.com (Mikael Behrens)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Baby Eagle
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:08:23 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <BxoyMH.9E8@well.sf.ca.us> btm@well.sf.ca.us (Brian Millin) writes:
| 
| Some references to the P9 and EAA on this thread - here's my $.02 worth.
| 
| The P9 and the EAA Witness are both made by Tangfolio in Italy. Tangfolio
| owns about 30% of EAA. This is one of the reasons that the P9 may cease
| to be since Springfield Armory made a deal to use the Caspian frame.
| 
| The parts are interchangeable between the P9, EAA witness, TZ75, Excam, etc.
| Since some had the sear safety and some (Excam GT41) have the decocker, you
| could theoretically take one of each and make two guns - one with a
| frame mounted sear safety AND a decocker, and one without ANY safety. No
| Glock references, please.
| 
| Actually, I think they all have a firing pin safety like thy Series 80 Colt.
| 
| Brian Millin

I believe Springfield Armory purchases the parts for the P9 from Tangfoglio,  
but assembles them themselves.  The P9's have always seemed to have better  
triggers and work generally smoother when I've compared them to EAA, Excam,  
and FIE guns.

Mikael Behrens
From: callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .357 in a 9mm
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:19:41 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <mac.722284369@depot.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun) writes:
#I saw a revolver just this morning advertised to shoot both .357 Magnum
#and 9mm.  The owner said it had two cylinders (because the 9mm cartridge
#is shorter) but used the same barrell.
#Now I'm curious why I can't shoot 9mm in the same revolver which already
#shoots .357 Magnum and the 0.1" shorter .38 Special.  Just how much
#shorter is a 9mm cartridge?

The 9mm is a fair bit shorter than either the .38 or the .357, is a
rimless case (and needs space between the cylinder and the frame
for the full/half-moon clip), and, more importantly, has a fairly
pronounced taper to it (relative to the straight walled .38/.357).
I don't think the length of the round is the real issue here...

				James

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From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Colt Sporter mags
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:08:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: optilink.13197
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <1dt9geINN221@neuro.usc.edu>, merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
# In article <9211111515.aa29400@s.s.ms.uky.edu> eric@ms.uky.edu (Eric H. Herrin II) writes:
# #Well, I just picked up a Colt Sporter Competition HBAR for a great price, but
# #the two mags it came with are 5 round (20 round with a filler).  Anybody
# #have any recommendations about where to pick up some 20rd+ mags?  
# 
# No Problema Amigo!  You already got'em in your hands.  The filler is a
# U-shaped block which limits the magazine to five round capacity -- this
# is the maximum allowed by some local state hunting and/or weapons codes.

Not any more.  Colt changed them to be riveted in place.  It's a shame,
but at least this way, they don't sell a high capacity assault weapon.
(Magazines, buy elsewhere).

Oddly, the Colt Lightweight Sporter 9mm comes with real magazines.

# Merlin                        Never let it be forgot
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