From: 6500cws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christopher Wade Skinner)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:59:03 GMT

In article <kXcZiB1w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>>  Personally, I wouldn't buy services from a bigot.  To
>> bad its a free country, right?

>Well using that logic, next time someone calls my number at
>three am, or emails me death threats - I'll just ring my
>lawyer and the FBI and make that persons life a financial
>hell for ten or so years.. 

Well, if people have been harrassing you as you say, then yes, I'd
do something about it.  I would want proof that these events had
occured, and that they were caused by this particular thred.

Now, Daniel, reread what I wrote - if I know someone is a bigot,
and works to harm other (let's say I knew you were in favor of
denying gay teachers their right to teach), then I wouldn't buy
services from that person.

>I am confident enough with myself and my words to not need
>to step out of bounds to shut someone up - I don't have to. ;)

Well, you haven't shut anyone up here.

[Daniel's boasts about cerebellum competence deleted]

>> >Keep your >SHIT< right where the source of discussion is unless
>> >you'd like it to be taken elsewhere yourself.
>> 
>> So you can villify people based on their life choices, but when they
>> start calling you on it, its dirty pool, right?  Say someone who
>> you were thinking about hiring struck you as "gay", by whatever
>> random, stupid sterotype you decided to perpetuate.  I'll just
>> _bet_ you's hire them.

>Villify? - I am out here because I got sick of the gay 'hit' 
>squad and their tactics against anyone with a contrary view.

What 'hit squad'?  Do you or do you not favor civil rights for gay
people?  If not, then you can certainly be called a bigot.

>Reminded me of the fucking USSR and it's garbage in the 50's

The 'fucking USSR'?  I didn't know nations copulated.  What
garbage in the 50's are you talking about?  Are you seriously
trying to equate gay activism with McCarthyism?  If so, you'd
better go read your history.  I don't see anyone losing jobs,
being blacklisted, or committing suicide because of gay activism
or gay newsgroups.

>Calling me on it?!? - Gimme a break. The dirty pool comes in
>when you are simply trying to >>>C E N S O R<<< someone who
>is saying something you do not like.

Saying "I DON'T LIKE GAYS" is one thing.  Saying that any group
of people is evil, immoral, disgusting, lesser, because of a
non-threatening difference, is bigotry.  It's not really clear
if this is protected speech or not.  Oh, and by the way, I
don't care if you continue to rave and rant.  Simply realize that
you are ignorant and narrow-minded.  And I will continue to call
you on it.  Should you express this narrow-mindedness to 
someone in a setting that is inappropriate, they will call you on it.

>As for hiring a 'queer person'...... That would depend. If they
>were sending smoochies at me or anyone else in the interview 
>or probationary period - they'd be outta here.. So would anyone
>else who was not here to work. 

As well they should be.  But what if the interviewee said, "Mr. Karns,
I must tell you that I am gay, and while I am here to work, I'm also
out to everyone around me."  How would that make you feel?

>Question: Would YOU hire ME with MY viewpoint? <snicker>

Depends.  If you threw smootchies at female workers and went around
telling fag jokes, nope.

-djk

cws