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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Re: Down Goes Holyfield! Down Goes Holyfield!
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:04:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: aio.1992Nov18.150445.1554
Organization: NASA/JSC

In article <4f2M7xm00Vp28CXkpa@andrew.cmu.edu> Mike Molloy
<mmaq+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>In Re: Down Goes Holyfield!  John Cobarruvias writes:
>
My points are 1) "Family" Bowe was constantly critisizing Holyfield for
fighting some fat old men instead of the up and coming heavyweights like
himself.  But when he wins, guess who he is fighting, and of course, its a
"business" deal. 2) George does NOT deserve to fight anyone, much less for the
championship. 3) and because of this when the WBC, IBF, and WBA strip Bowe of
the title, Bowe will never get a chance to get it back. But what does he care?
He'll have $20M!

When Bowe and George meet, there are going to be a number of losers. 1) Bowe
for fighting George 2) George for accepting, and 3) a few million fans who pay
$39.95 to see this "Battle of the Century", "Old .vs. Greedy", "Stupid .vs.
Stupidder", "Heavyweight Extravaganza"...etc etc. I for one will not pay to see
this one!

I can just hear Don King, uh I mean, Rock Newman saying something pathetically
stupid like "This is the fight the people want to see!". And whats more
pathetic, is that there will be 100,000 Chinese who will be stupid and gullible
enough to plop down up to $1500 to see this EXTRAVAGANZA! They will get what
they paid for, a side Freak Show starring George Foreman as the walking,
talking, 3 Million Pound, immatating boxer; and Rock Newman as the incredibly
stupid munchkin.

The only good thing about this bout is that if George can stand up, throw a
punch and catch Bowe to knock him out, then Bowe will get what he deserves.
NOTHING.


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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Holyfield vs Bowe  the rematch
Organization: NASA/JSC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:18:23 GMT

In article <1ekkvpINN7mr@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie
Maycon) writes:
> I personally think if holyfield does not retire and gets a rematch, he will
>beat bowe using another game plan + put on more pounds and stay away from
those
>damn weights.  Holyfield should had boxed him instead of trying to slug it out
>It was obvious in the middle rounds that his punches were not hurting Bowe,
fromthere he should had just boxed, I am pretty sure in vegas that would had
won
>the fight for him.  Be sure to see me man Michael Moorer to move up in the
rankings.  How many people out there thinks he will win a rematch using a
different
>game plan?   Does he need to bulk up to 220?  Bowe will probaly stay from
>all the top rank fighters to last as a champion, Mike Tyson is the only
fighter
>that never ducked anyone.
>
>
>
>Free Mike Tyson "it takes 2 to tango"

FREE MIKE TYSON. "in five years"
Jail Don King.

Heard Tyson was making $1.00 a day cleaning the jails gym. Of course Don King
was making his usual 33% cut.
>
>Boxing Fan, critic
>
>



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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Down Goes Holyfield! Down Goes Holyfield!
Organization: NASA/JSC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:54:17 GMT

In article <101909@bu.edu> afinch@bu.edu (Andrew Finch) writes:
>
>	But next, it's "Down Goes Bowe!" to Lewis.
>
>
Well not so fast. Bowe now wants to fight Foreman in China for $20 Million! And
Foreman, although he doesnt deserve the fight, is willing. The WBC has told
Bowe either to sign with Lewis within a month or get stripped. If the IBF or
WBA had any balls they would do the same. Here is what I hope will happen:

Bowe doesn't sign with Lewis.
The WBC strips Bowe.
Bowe signs a deal with Foreman for a fight in China for the IBF/WBA title.
Lewis and Moorer fight for the WBC title.
Foreman continues with his fight with Pierre Jan 16th and loses like a big  
dog.
Bowe fights Foreman anyway since it is a BIG payday!
Bowe fights Foreman in a side freak show since the IBF and WBA strips him.
Bowe never regains the title because he is politically blocked.

And you know, if Bowe fights Foreman, he deserves all the bad breaks he gets.
And so does George. (See my later post on this FAT ASS!)



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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: dualist@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Edward Schutz)
Subject: NordicTrack WANTED
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:51:57 GMT


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Contact me (Tom) at

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or

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Thanks
From: gnoone@spam.ua.oz (Greg Noone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Kosta Tzsu
Keywords: Boxing
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:03:12 GMT
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

For all those interested, Russian Junior Welter sensation (but now resident in
Australia) Kosta Tzsu
KO'd hapless Sammy Feuntes from Porta Rico in 54 seconds of the first
round. Feuntes is a capable fighter perhaps best known going 11 rounds with
Chavez in 1989 before the fight was stopped due to a cut eye. He had never been
KO'd before until he came across Tzsu.

Although the Russian has only had 6 pro bouts, he is already highly rated by the
WBC as a junior welter (presumably will go higher after this fight) and there is
even talk of him fighting the mighty Chavez later next year. And as ludicrous as
this might sound, I'd put my money on the Russian. The boy can box....and as for
experience, he's had an amazing 297 fights in the unpaid ranks for just 12
defeats and moved on from there as the world junior welter champ.

Tzsu is one of these guys who is all lovey-dovey outside the ring but ice-cold
and brutal inside of it. He's something else....After the fight, he was asked
how he KO'd his opponent and he replied `They were very good gloves'. Fuentes'
trainer was stunned after the fight and just said `We didn't realise he was so
good'. He was in a state of shock. Literally.

--
Greg Noone gnoone@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au

[All opinions are my own except those which aren't.]
Organization: Doctoral student, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:48:52 -0500 
From: Mike Molloy <mmaq+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bowe/Foreman


> I can understand the British press going apeshit, as they want Lewis
> to have a crack as soon as possible, but why is the WBC, alone of the
> 'big' three, taking this stand? 


I said this before, but the only reason the WBC cares is because
they do exactly what Don King tells them to do.  For
the last year, Don King was doing everything he could to make
Razor Ruddock champion, as Murad Mohammed needed King's
help to promote most of Razor's fights. (You may remember the
controversy when the WBC decided to move Ruddock to
the #1 contender slot ahead of Bowe for no apparent reason).

By the way,I doubt that the WBC really
cares as much about this mandatory defence
now that it is to be against Lewis instead of Ruddock.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: new newsgroups
Organization: NASA/JSC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:11:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.181002.6772@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo) writes:
>Why are there all these new newsgroups being generated off of 
>rec.sport.misc, and the most traffic on rec.sport.misc is from 
>boxing,  and boxing is not a newsgroup?
>
Enquiring minds want to know! I agree. I think just today there was a new group
started, yet I havent seen much traffic. 


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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Goofed up Poll    Sorry!
Organization: NASA/JSC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:18:02 GMT

Sorry guys about not posting the results of the poll I started. It turns out
that the net over here was down and then I was off for Veterans day and then I
took time off Thursday and Friday to attend the Holyfield/Bowe fight. Geez,
what a bunch of excuses. 

Oh well, look for a detailed report on the fight to make up for it! Again sorry
folks.

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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: gnoone@spam.ua.oz (Greg Noone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: Re: HOLYFIELD VS. BOWE
Keywords: Boxing
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:58:10 GMT
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

Now that all the hype has settled from that classic heavyweight fight, could
someone please explain to me why Holyfield engaged himself in a slugfest with a
guy much bigger and stronger than him? Did he really think he could outpunch
him? I can only deduce he wanted to win in spectacular fashion or go out in a
blaze of glory.

In Australia we are lucky since we get all the big fights for FREE. But once the
fight is over that's it...we don't here anything until the next big fight. So is
Holyfield going to hang up the gloves? What was the public reaction to his loss?
I can imagine that although he clearly lost the bout he would have picked up
alot of admirers for refusing to give up, unlike the previous champ. So whatever
happened to Douglas by the way?
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From: thieman@ee.ualberta.ca (Troy Thieman)
Subject: Re: Recommendations on lightweight but durable Bags?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:58:10 GMT

My recommendation would be the Sun Mountain bag made by a company called
Sun Mountain (something) based in Missuola, Mont.  I really like the bag since
it is very comfortable since it has a thick and wide shoulder strap.  The bag
can also be equipped with a stand that springs out when the bag is lowered to
the ground.  Sorry I don't have the company's full name but I don't take my
clubs with me when I go off to school.
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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: dos golf
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:41:29 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 11-17-92 10:38

P > From: pw@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Paul Wakenight)
P > Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
P > Subject: dos golf
P > 
P > I am in graduate school AND in NY, so I never get to play as often as
P > I would like.  To tide me over, can anyone recommend a good Windows/Dos
P > based program (Jack Nickalus has one?).  Also, before I pay for whatever
P > I buy, are there demo copies avail?   
P > 

I would recommend LINKS or LINKS386(if you have a 386) from ACCESS. 
It's the most realistic golf simulator on the market. Microsoft has 
just released GOLF for Windows. It's actually LINKS ported to Windows. 
I would recommend a fast 386 with lots of memory and disk caching. I 
use a 386-33 and play Links386. The screen redraw, if you set the 
game to display the highest detail, is slow. Oh yes, it requires, at 
least, a VGA display.
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From: ronm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Mora)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:35:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Building your own; bore-through woods
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

  John,

     No, you  don't  need to drill  through  the head at all!  I and
     some  friends  have built that exact club and the  3-wood.  The
     hole provided is sufficient.  You may want to drill all the way
     through if you believe the  additional  result of perhaps  more
     stiffness  (?)  will  be  advantageous,  or  even  perceptible.
     We're  all  pleased  with our  results  of the  trident  with a
     graphite  shaft.  We used the hosel trim  provided by Pro-Swing
     which are  non-standard,  and used the counter-sink  bit.  This
     counter  sink is required for  graphite  shafts.  It provides a
     necessary bit of dampening without which there is a possibility
     of fracturing.

     You can call  Pro-Swing for their advice.  They have a customer
     service "Technical Line" (1-216-848-0809)
From: mccarty@add.itg.ti.com (Rick McCarty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: left-handed golf supplies
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:54:20
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin, TX
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In-reply-to: strube@warp6.cs.misu.NoDak.edu's message of Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:09:54 GMT

In article <Bxz6GI.FCI@ns1.nodak.edu> strube@warp6.cs.misu.NoDak.edu (Don Strube A262 857-3018) writes:

>    I recently ordered a book on club making from Golfsmith and recieved
>their catalog of club making supplies.  I was a little disappointed to
>find that there were very few left handed heads available for
>irons or putter heads.	Does anyone know of another supplier who might
>have more available for the left handed player.  Thanks..

I'm a lefty and have encountered the same problem.  I think you're in for
the same lack of variety from almost any dealer.  In fact, Golfsmith
may be better than average.

You mentioned you had their club making supply catalog.  Sometimes they
don't list all of the heads they have in that one.  I have their
clubhead catalog which usually contains more.  In case they're not all
in your version of the catalog, I'll list what they sell in left hand,
with opinions as applicable (subjective though they may be!):

IRONS

Square Toe Blade - (??? - does anyone play these?)
Tour Model IV - My model, I like 'em.
Tour Model II - Good clubs, but I'd get the TM IV instead.
Radial Blade
Lady Tour Model II Blue Dot
Copper Classic
Tour Model System II
Iron Wood Driving Iron

I'd also expect their Square Toe Cavity to come in left hand within the
next year.

PUTTERS

(This is my own area of disappointment!)

Solid Brass Series - BB14L, BB13L - Never tried the BB14L, didn't like BB13L
Black Finished (B9 LH)
Gold Plated (22L)
Hawkeye TF201L
Sterling Blade (TF123) - this is the putter I use - a reasonable blade.
Long Jon (LJ17 LH)
Thermo Tech (4001 LH) - I wasn't impressed when I tried it.
Tour Model (4002L) - Tried this at the showroom - not bad, I may make one.
Zircon Series 23D, 23H - Good choice for kids clubs only.

Also, though the catalog does not show their brass and wood putters in left
hand, I believe I've seen fully assembled ones at the showroom recently.

--RJMc

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Rick McCarty                                      mccarty@add.itg.ti.com

My views do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.  But they will
someday!
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From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Recommendations on lightweight but durable Bags?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:49:42 GMT
Keywords: golf bags

My wife and I both carry our clubs by choice, and are looking for
new bags.  The bags we currently have (one an old reliable brand
and one a brand X) were both purchased about a year ago and
already falling apart.  (In both cases the struts in the sides of
the bag have broken off one or both ends causing the bag to
collapse and the struts to poke through the sides and bottom.)  My
previous bag lasted through 20 years of abuse and neglect, and I
had expected much better from modern technology.  Any suggestions
on carryable bags that will hold up to heavy use?  Any brands or
designs to avoid?

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
From: v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Wooden Shaft Golf Club, circa. 1920's.
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I've stumbled upon a hand-made forged niblick (9-iron) made in Buffalo
NY by Howard Niemann & Co. in the 1920's or 30's.  It has a thick
wooden shaft, and a forged iron head.  It is in fairly decent shape.

My question is, is anyone interested in this club?  Anyone doing a 
casual appraisal?  Should I hold onto it?  

Reply through e-mail for offers, advice.  Use the board for discussion.

Thanks a lot, 
Bill.

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From: daved@rocky.gte.com (Dave Drab)
Subject: Re: Recommendations on lightweight but durable Bags?
Keywords: golf bags
Organization: GTE/MSED
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:37:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.134942.13100@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery) writes:
>My wife and I both carry our clubs by choice, and are looking for
>new bags.  The bags we currently have (one an old reliable brand
>and one a brand X) were both purchased about a year ago and
>already falling apart.
>[... stuff deleted ...]
>Any suggestions
>on carryable bags that will hold up to heavy use?  Any brands or
>designs to avoid?
>-- 
>	Warren Montgomery
>	att!iexist!warren

Warren,

You should check out the Sun Mountain Sports "Eclipse" model.  This is
a well thought out bag design, and is lightweight and durable.  It has
an excellent support leg extender/retractor design that utilizes
gravity (i.e., the weight of the bag) to pull up the legs when you
shoulder the bag, and bunji cords to pull the legs down when you take
the tension off the shoulder strap.  Plenty of pocket space; enough
to carry about two dozen balls, a handfull of tees, towels, and a full
rain suit (on those iffy days).  I found this bag more comfortable to
carry than any other I've tried so far.  List price is $135, but you
should be able to get it for between $90-100.  The rainhood is not
included, but is well worth the extra $10; the hood is designed
specifically for this bag, and the bag has special hooks already in
place for the hood's starps.

Good luck in your search.

- Dave

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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf News
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:50:39 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1992Nov20.121902.17466@sei.cmu.edu> ear@sei.cmu.edu (Eugene Rindels) writes:

>The players should call for a detailed accounting of the commisioner's
>compensation package.  It seems inordinately high at almost $2 million a
>year, with $860,000.00 coming out of the nonprofit division.  Because the tour
>so often associates itself with charity, you might be tempted to compare
>Beman's income with that earned by the highest-paid executive of a non-proift
>charitable organization in the country--that person makes "only"
>$509,000.00--but in reality the tour has little to do with charity; The
>biggest problem with commissioners income is that his employers, the players,
>don't know exactly what it is or what factors go into determining his bonus.
>Whatever he makes, the perks of his job are too extravagant for a nonprofit
>CEO.  Since 1985, the commissioner has had five corporate planes, tow of them
>jets, each one bigger and faster than the one before.  The current aircraft,


I hated this guy ever since I read that two-part article on Beman in Golf
Digest. I do admire what he does for the preservation of traditional golf, but
I despise the way he enriches himself, his ego and all. Just because he is the
commissioner, he thinks he's got God-given rights to do whatever he pleases
without considering the majority of opinions of the players he is supposed to
serve, and not dictate.

A few months back, an issue in Golf Digest rekindled the debacle between
Ping (Karsten) and PGA Tour (Beman). It's really a bitter battle where it all
boils down to is personal principles rather than legal technicalities. I really
hope Karsten wins. In my eyes, I believe he held no malice towards anyone with
the square-groove thing, not even towards the top pros then. He doesn't deserve
to lose.

In the latest interview of Greg Norman in Golf Digest, he made a remark that
he doesn't expect Beman to stay on long very soon. That was a real bold state-
ment, something Beman will personally take as an attack. Well, I think Greg
was just referring to the upcoming decision on January, 1993 about the Ping vs.
PGA Tour suit. At that time, the courts will decide who is the winner ... and
who is the loser.

Sorry for rambling on. I felt that this is a golf topic worthy of a discussion.
C'mon guys, there's nothing to be afraid of - we're not even members (yet!) of
the PGA Tour, so speak out. :-)
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