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From: bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Re: Spock: naked Time
Reply-To: bartlone@gemed.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:52:03 GMT

techy@iastate.edu (Troy A Rutter) queries...

>When Spock was doing his "im in control of my emotions".. speech in 
>The Naked Time, has it ever been said to what was he referrig to when
>he exclaimed... "2...4...6...6 times."  At first i thought he was 
>counting to get back into the logic mode.. but 6 times...  6 times
>for what???  Seeing how Vulcans age slowly... if spock was 54 at
>the time.. it would be hes done it six times.. as in Pon Farr thing...  (i
>forget if it was 7 or 9 years..)  Anyway.. six what?? :D
>
>Yet another question from the technobabblonian. 

I think you were right the first time..I think he was trying to use math
to retain his logic, and only being partly effective. I believe, from
the inflection of the statement he was saying..2..4..6..6 times.. and if
he had finished the statement it would have been 6 times 6 or 6 times (x)
fill in your favorite number...just a guess...or should I say IMO...
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From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Navy in Star Trek
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:11:19 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Sep10.170225.27967@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist) writes:
> In article <92Sep10.154822.26326@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>>the carrier (what class, by the way?), and the mock-Shuttle... anything else?
> CVN-65 is the 8th ship to be named "ENTERPRISE".  There is also the mock
> shuttle for NASA.

In addendum: The USS Enterprise (CVN-65) is Enterprise class, the only
ship of it's class, according to my 1992-93 Harpoom Data Annex.

Also, for those who hadn't heard this story before: The mock shuttle
was originally going to be called the Constitution, until Trek fans
deulged the White House phone lines asking it be renamed "Enterprise." 
It was (note *was*) a completely spaceworthy vessel, but was retired
and cannibalized after the Columbia and others became operational (so I guess 
the joke was ultimately on us, eh?).
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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG & homosexuality
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:15:15 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <68117@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:
>
>It seems quite rational that the reason we are spared    
>from seeing homosexuals within the ranks of Starfleet is that by the 
>24th century that particular illness will be cured.  The operative word 
>there is "illness", and that is, BTW, what we're dealing with.  

Uh-oh! to paraphrase Ronald Reagan, Here we go again.

Can we keep the discussio this time on a civil level.  Let's keep
the flames in email, or, if they must be aired on the network, alt.flame.






-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Surrender (was Re: STNG sucks!!!)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:32:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.185322.16928@ioe.ac.uk> teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:
>In <1992Sep11.104021.23765@newshost.unh.edu> ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:
>>main difference between them seems to be that Kirk makes his own decisions
>>about what to do, whereas Picard constantly seems at a loss for what to
>>do, and always resorts to asking his crew (or, surrendering; he's got that
>>one down ;-)).  Sure there were more battles in TOS, but that's not because
>
>Well, of the top of my head I can think of three instances in the TOS films
>where Kirk surrenders. (Raspberry sound)!
>

	You mean ST2, ST3, and ST6, right?  Well, in ST2, he wasn't really
surrenderring, but rather setting Khan up.  And, similarly in ST3 he was
setting Kruge and his men up.  ST6 is the only REAL surrender by Kirk that
I can think of.  And, he only did it because so much was at stake (namely,
galactic peace).  If you want something to count, try counting the number of
times Picard has surrendered (hell, he surrendered in the PREMIERE episode;
a great way to start a command).  I'm not about to waste my time trying,
because I don't really care that much.  However, I can guarantee that it is
far more than 3 times.  (Exactly what does a raspberry sound like?  They've
always struck me as rather silent fruits. ;-))

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||  Robert A. Seace  ||  Senior at UNH  ||  E-mail: ras@kepler.unh.edu  ||
||    AKA: Agrajag   ||     CS major    ||  or, maybe: ras@nic.unh.edu  ||
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"Just as Einstein observed that space was not an absolute but depended
 on the observer's movement in space, and that time was not an absolute,
 but depended on the observer's movement in time, so it is now realized
 that numbers are not absolute, but depend on the observer's movement in
 restaurants." - Life, the Universe and Everything

Gene Roddenberry: 1921-1991.  You will be missed.
May your dream "Live long and prosper".
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:11:05 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Sep9.142412.22036@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.204432.4751@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>In article <rawdon.715903854@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
[On other characters in Picard's spot in "The Inner Light":]
>I think it would have worked just as well with any of those characters,
>although *not* necessarily with some of the actors (and I'm definitely
>against having Worf in the role, as it's a sure call for another whine
>session with Alexander and Troi...) 

Oh, come now.  I'm at least assuming that they're not going go and do
something stupid like THAT... :-)

>>How forgiving we are of ol' TOS.  

>I'm not particularly fond of TOS (or its characters) anymore.

Had a bad summer, did we? :-) :-)

>>>>>(Ever notice how Trek Classic had much wittier
>>>>>and intelligent dialogue than TNG?)

>>This is a sweeping generalization that can't be defended by either camp.

>Actually, I think the dialogue between the leads *were* far 
>wittier -- certainly, it came across as easier, more comfortable
>and more *effortless*. The TNG dialogue, on the other hand, serves
>mostly to convey factual information;

...i.e., exposition (just hearkening back to another thread)...

>Of course, TOS did have its share of godawful melodramatic speeches -- but
>that was more common in those days, so TOS itself can't be held wholly 
>responsible (and TNG isn't free from forced melodrama either: Worf's
>"I AM your friend" speech in "The Outcast" and Picard's moralizing in
>"Imaginary Friend" just to name two examples.)

Trek Classic I think tended to be more successful at melodrama, in large
part because there were usually other strong elements in an episode (plus
for some reason Trek Classic just had plain better melodrama).  But then, it
had some bombs in the melodramatic speech area (e.g. "The Omega Glory")
while TNG has had some successes ("The Drumhead").

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
From: mortoncp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Christopher P Morton)
Subject: Re: holosex restrictions
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:04:37 GMT


Here's an interesting point folks:

Would you want your "first" to be a living person or a holodeck playmate?   
The holodeck would be less likely to laugh at you (first time you know and  
you might miss ;), but a real person is so much more creative.

Personally, I would opt for a holodeck.  I'd be able to do it without  
running any of the numerous risks of sexual activity and besides, I wasn't  
very creative with my first.

Anybody else care to comment one way or another?

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From: asparrow@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Angelia Sparrow)
Subject: Re: STNG episode about homosexuality
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:07:37 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

Is it my imagination or is Next Generation preachier
than the old series?  Granted there were a number
of very preachy episodes ("Bread and Circuses" pops
instantly to mind), but NG seems to be more constantly
pounding the issues.

I did enjoy the parasite episode and was disappointed
that Bev did not kiss the alien with whom she had been
sleeping...  Seems hypocritical to me.  

I see the new series as pushing tolerance.  But the
obvious techniques can become annoying.

Angel, who does NOT enjoy didactic SF
From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject:     FEDERATION OF PLANETS (MUFP) !!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:58:21 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Title husk; for stuff, see above.
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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG & homosexuality
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:12:29 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Sep15.012120.23215@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:
>
>Lots of homophobic flamebait.  Folks, if you're going to respond to this in
>any terms that don't *directly* involve TNG, then please take it to a more
>appropriate group or to email.  The Floating Homosexuality Flamewar has never
>been a welcome addition to any group I've ever seen, and r.a.s.* has already
>had far more than its fair share.

But Tim, we're overdue for TFHF (The Floating Homosexuality Flamewar).
Best to let it flare quickly and have it move on. ;-)

(Yeah, yeah...I know better than to expect this.  Similarly, you
should know better than to think our meager efforts will have *any*
effect on the duration of this thread. :-/ )

>Thanks for the efforts.

Futile though they may be...;-)

>Tim Lynch


-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: wwo@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Thomas Schoene)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Navy in Star Trek
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:12:47 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <22272@galaxy.ucr.edu>,
judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes: 
> Why is it that Star Trek is part of the navy?  Did the army disappear?
> Do battle ships carry Marine Corps soldiers?
> It makes sense that the federation should be a part of the navy since they
> call their vessels ships.  But is the navy really going to rule outer
> space?
It is true that Starfleet draws heavily on naval tradition but it is clearly
not a direct derivative of anyone's navy.  It is a seperate organization which
performs some functions of a military force but also many functions not normally
performed by the military.  As to the specific points you raise: one often
hears about a "4 ship" flight of aircraft...  The term "ship" has ben used to
describe space vessels (in fiction and serious discussion) for some time.  If
you can think of a beteer term please suggest it.  (No flame just a comment.) 
Second: Starfleet doesn't rule anything; teh Federation (which SF is
subordinate to) does act as a ruling body for some portion of space but it
seems reasonable that some or all members retain some sort of military force
(perhaps the planetary defense forces mentioned in STIV:TVH and in TNG:BOBW2)

-- 
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From: deutsch@cs.arizona.edu (Reverend Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG & homosexuality
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:26:13 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <BuLAIq.Bx9@cmptrc.lonestar.org> tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth) writes:
>In article <68117@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:
>|.  When the cause is found,
>|however, a cure will be forthcoming and homosexuality will become a thing
>|of the past.
>
>What a fucking moron.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Is that you're way of saying "I do not agree with you"? Perhaps you would be
more at home at alt.flame.





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From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ATTN: Modl Unitd Federatn of Planets
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:41:07 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

An open call to fans & enthusiasts interested in the initiatory phases of a
Model United Federation of Planets project... 2 posts on news #198:
alt.startrek.creative (sic...) Drop a line.

rez. Secretary General of 1st plenary Model United Federation of Planets
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Which one is "Cost of Living"?
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:05:19 GMT

>>In article <1992Aug28.015623.7095@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> bandy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Mike Bandy) writes:

>>>It seems that everyone agrees that the Cost of Living episode sucked.  Can
>>>someone refresh our memories and briefly describe the plot for that episode?
>>>
>>>Thanks.

Okay, here goes...

Enterprise in danger of prunification by alien space techno-menace.

Luxana has mid-life crisis.

Alexander needs tender loving care and affection.

Pointless and embarassing holodeck farce ensues.

Geordi spouts techno-babble out the framizam battling alien gel.

Crew rocks back and forth as ship shakes.

Geordi solves problem in nick of time.

Luxana gets it together.

Alexander still a brat.

TNG fans all over the world stunned by the amazingly low quality of the
episode and the poor judgement of the producers.


How's that?

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From: depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit)
Subject: ST: TNG episode list
Organization: Save the Missippi Riverboat Paddlewheel Fund
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:49:32 GMT

I was wondering if there is somewhere out there in net.land a file
which has a list of all the ST:TNG episode titles with 3-line descriptions.
If someone could point me in the right direction, I would really
appreciate it! If it's on an ftp site, that would be cool.

If you have it and are about to mail it to me, though, please warn me
before doing so, to prevent a deluge of mail from lots of
different people sending me the same thing.

thanks in advance!!


-- 
|Alan Ezust		: McGill University School of Computer Science      |
|depeche@cs.mcgill.ca	:	     Montreal, Quebec, Canada		    |
From: debell@ERE.UMontreal.CA (De Bellefeuille Andre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Alternate Enterprises, Please! (me too!)
Keywords: Me too stuff!!
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:00:09 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Sep12.130712.9459@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rrchorzemp@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was the Enterprise D, I'm almost
>positive.  I'm looking for books, magazines, etc. that shows some of the other
>concepts those bright little people down in SFX came up with....also any other
>little misc. 'failed' designes.  If anyone out there can give me the name,
>issue, whatever of reading material that has some of these in it, I would be a
>very happy little Trekker if you could mail me the info.
>Live long and Prosper,
>Captain Bequi 'Horizen', Capt. USS Ferryman, UFP 

There might be enough interest to even post the info (not just for
me of course ;-) ).

Andre De Bellefeuille
debell@ERE.UMontreal.CA

If the Universe is (...) at one point, what we SAY it is ... Then SAY ...
(James Burke: The Day the Universe Changed)
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:53:22 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <1992Sep11.104021.23765@newshost.unh.edu> ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:

>main difference between them seems to be that Kirk makes his own decisions
>about what to do, whereas Picard constantly seems at a loss for what to
>do, and always resorts to asking his crew (or, surrendering; he's got that
>one down ;-)).  Sure there were more battles in TOS, but that's not because

Well, of the top of my head I can think of three instances in the TOS films
where Kirk surrenders. (Raspberry sound)!

And the crew still manage to look stunned each time!

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   IJD@uk.ac.ucl.mssl
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG actors on other series (Patrick Stewart)
Summary: "George"
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 05:36:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.051710.6644@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <patmcg.715287542@merit.edu> patmcg@home.merit.edu (Pat McGregor) writes:
>>
>>Wasn't Patrick Stewart (plus hair) Gurney Halleck in _Dune_.?
>
>He was indeed Gurney, but not with hair. I believe I remember reading an inter-
>view with Stewart stating that he had been bald from the age of 19.

That's what he said at a Portland con.  He also said his hair-piece is
named "George."


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From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Prime Directive
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 20:00:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

-A65337@HB

Shacha Jean!

[j] ...the PD doesn't distinguish between situations where interference would
    be beneficial or ones in which
And who is the one to tell the difference? Where can =anyone= know what
the result of the interference may be? And who defines, what "natural
development"?

Oyori - Sem [still thinking in Northern Germany]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: bburnet@eng.clemson.edu (barry burnett)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG : Vendetta... re-run or new epis
Reply-To: bburnet@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:11:43 GMT

In article 14875@walter.bellcore.com, semele@clintsalt (Semele Halkedis) writes:
>I read in the original newsgroup (just the other day) a reference to an
>episode of ST:TNG called Vendetta.  It was supposed to have something to
>do with a female Borg that is captured or encountered with a portion of
>her implants damaged.  This Borg was supposed to have expressed remorse
>and/or grief for the wanton destruction of countless millions by her
>race.  This episode does not ring a bell.  I *think* I've seen all of
>the episodes, but every once in awhile I stumble across one that I've
>missed.
> 
>Is Vendetta a re-run, or is this a new episode scheduled for the upcoming
>season?  
...{remainder of text deleted}...

>Randy O'Neal  RONEAL@lexmark.com     Printer Attach Software Development

Vendetta is a book.  The name of the author escapes me at the moment.

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semele@oscar.bellcore.com   |   we imagine, it is stranger than we
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Vendetta was written by Peter David.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: schamber@sciborg.UWaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Subject: Re: Transfigurations Actor (-tress)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:09:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.181516.12090@news.mentorg.com> michael_robbins@mentorg.com writes:
>I just saw a rerun of Transfigurations ( i think) and was very taken by what
>appeared to be a guest role by Julie Warner.  She played Geordie's love
>interest ... Ms. Christy something....
>
>Unfortunately, I did not tape it and missed the intro.  Was this indeed her
>(Doc Hollywood, Ms. Saturday Night)?  If not, who is she?
>
>Thanks for clearing my brain...
>
>Mick

Yes, this is really the same woman. I don't know the name, but I do know
that it's the same actress who played in Doc Hollywood.

BTW, notice that I moved the thread to the more appropriate r.a.s.misc...

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