HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding)
Subject: Steroids, Aids, and baby drowning
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.192411.20300@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>
>I think we should admire the absence of HIV in the Communist Chinese Olympic
>team. We should also note that some of the measures taken to prevent HIV are
>done on a voluntary basis. After all, we Americans don't have the courage to
>drown all of our female children. This voluntary action by Chineese parents
>should be parised. Why, in a few decades, there will hardly be any women left,
>thus dramatically cutting down on sex, thus preventing one of the primary
>routes for the spread of aids.

Solinsky seems to imply that since there are Chinese drowning baby girls,
this must be wide spread. Since there are American parents abusing and
killing their children, this must be a common practice. Well, I am not
willing to even go so far as saying: since there is a Solinsky making
stupid comments, many Americans must do. 

Now, should we glorify M Johnson because he has HIV? I think not. He made
dumb mistakes and he regreted it. Does he regret only the fact that he did
not use condome, or that he cheated on his wife? Johnson has the courage
to fight HIV and to play in Olympics. That's worth praising. Any more
glorification seems undeserving.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: juntian@rice.edu (Jun Tiab)
Subject: Barcelona Olympics: Top Ten on Medal Standings
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 15:15:31 CDT
From: 5907anh@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: to all the people who helped Shao Hui
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:39:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095DECE.EEC98060
Reply-To: 5907anh@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services


Dear friends:

     We, family of Shao Hui and Marquette Chinese Students' Association, 
sincerely thank you for your love and your efforts to help save the life 
of Shao Hui.

     Shao Hui passed away at 13:55, July 9, 1992.  We are in deep sorrow 
at the loss of a beloved son, a dear brother and an affectionate friend.  
He is gone, peacefully, with enormous love from people.  His brief but 
wonderful life has left people with indelible impressions and everlasting 
memories.  
 
     During his illness from June 19, 1991 to July 9, 1992, Shao Hui 
received attentive care and immense affections from people all over the 
world.  Many people had their blood tested so that they might donate their 
bone marrows for him. Blood of numerous people flew into his body and 
helped sustain his life. Many doctors and nurses demonstrated their 
superb medical skills and looked after him day and night. Many long and 
short distance calls transmitted to him greetings and comfort. Abundant 
books, audio and video cassettes formed strong spiritual support for him. 
Among the money, gifts, and cards sent to him that carried great human 
love was your deep affection.

     We, family of Shao Hui and Marquette Chinese Students' Association, 
would like to express our esteem and gratitude for you. We will learn from 
you, and exert our best to promote philanthropy and to spread the world 
with love.



                                       Best wishes!


  

  Zhongcheng Shao (Shao Hui's father)    Jun Shao (brother)
     Xueqing Feng (mother)             
                                            c/o Rui Tang \& Bo Wang
     Tai Zhou School of Agriculture         4540 N 149th St.
     Zhe Jiang Province, PRC                Brookfield, WI 53005


  Cairong Shao (cousin)                  Huizhong An
                                            (414) 933-4121
     Yang He Tao                            Marquette Chinese
     Fu Nin County                            Students' Association
     He Bei Province, PRC                   Marquette University
                                            Milwaukee, WI 53233
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:09:35 GMT


>================================================================
>Source: Chicago Tribune,  July 27, 1992
>By: Sharon Robb

>BARCELONA, Spain-----The world-record holder Jenny Thompson, 19, of Dover,
>N.H., set an Olympic record for the 100-meter freestyle in the preliminaries.
>She was poised to improve on that in the finals, but finished second behind
>China's Zhuang Yong, silver medalist at the 1988 Seoul Olympic games. Zhuang,
>19, a student in Shanghai, broke Thompson's Olympic record of 54.69 with a
>time of 54.64.

>"I have waited four years for this," Zhuang said.

>In the 400-meter individual medley, world champion Lin Li won China's second
>medal of the evening with a silver by catching American sweetheart Summer
>Sanders in the final 20 meters in 4:36.73.

>Zhuang, meanwhile, was fifth after the morning preliminaries of the 100 free,
>sending shock waves through the swimming world that China is sandbagging in
>the prelims to avoid accusations of back-to-back drug-enhanced performances.

>Both Zhuang and Lin are large, muscular swimmers with deep voices and acne
>on their backs, characteristics of steroid abuse.

>"It is always the accusation every time our team does well," Zhuang said
>through an interpreter. "It is not true."

>But U.S. swimmers and coaches are candid with their suspicions. Results
>at the Asian Games had shown a drastic drop in times from two years ago.
>Sunday night Zhuang, ranked fourth in the world with a time of 55.27,
>quickened to 54.64. Lin went from 4:47.15 to 4:36.73 within four months.

>"There's no proof; they've never been caught." said Haislett, who finished
>fourth in the 100-meter freestyle with a time of 55.17. "There's been
>speculation and rumors, but until one is caught, there's nothing you can do
>about it."

>----------------------- End of the Forwarding --------------------------
 
 So, Ameican athletes were sandbagging in the FINAL to avoid accusations of
 back-to-back drug-enhanced performances.

 Unfortunately, "There's no proof; they've never been caught.", I would say,
 "There's been speculation and rumors, but until one is caught, there's
 nothing you can do about it.".

 If you cannot catch them, just shut your damn mouth up!

 Stop whining!  Take the factor: You are a loser!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:50:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.232337.5067@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>I read from talk.politics.misce that says: the reason for low prison
>rate in China is that most prisoners are executed. and Gave a vivid 
>description that 18 factory managers were executed because
>not fill the productiono quatos recently!
>
You believe this!? Then probably you believe China has only 60 swimming
pools. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:21:37 GMT

In article <fortony.712377814@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>lan@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yan Lan) writes:
>
>>Hi! friends:
>> [...] 
>> 
>>The TV sports commentors' attitude toward Chinese swimmers,divers and gamnasts
>>also made me upset.This morning they made so much noise about a Amercian girl
>>and I thought she won the gold medal. But actually she ended up with a bronze
>>(fortunatlly!). A Japanese girl won the gold, and Chinese LIN LI won the 
>>silver.
>> 
>>What do you think?!
>
>I think you need to get used to living in America.
>
>I'm sure that in China, or in any other civilized competing country, the

But the degree is different. In China, a lot of more focus was on the 
champion, as I rememberred. 

>news coverage is just as biased towards the competitors of that country.
>In the women's diving competition you mention, the winner was so ridiculously
>good and so superhuman in her style that she stopped being interesting.  The

Confused.

>American -- Mary Ellen Clark?  I can't remember -- was a pleasant surprise
>for the US, because we didn't expect anyone to place.

Understanable.

>I think there might also be some reservation stemming from the association
>of the Chinese team with the Chinese government, which was of course 
>responsible for the Tianenmen Square massacre. 

Agree. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:01:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.071849.25463@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.021028.3849@news.nd.edu>, ylu@bach.helios.nd.edu writes:
>
>|> I think Mr. Solinsky changed the subject to something else. Here I use his
>|> logic to defend ALL THE CHINESE parents. I have to say that what I write 
>|> below is not what I think, I only use his logic, see how things going.
>|>  
>|> There are about same number of criminals in prison in the US and China. So,
>|> because China has roughly 4.5 times population than that of US, relatively,
>|> the american have 4.5 times higher chance to be a rapist. This is the reason
>|> they take HIV to Olympic. Any comment from Mr. Solinsky?
>
>The United States has roughly 4.5 times the number of criminals per capita
>than all of the other countries in the world. I forget where I saw the stats,
>but it was sometime in the past couple of weeks and it wasn't even close. The
>gap between the United States and the next nearest country is HUGE.
>
>As far as why the US has more criminals than China, I think that the answer is
>obvious. In China, you just kill them all. (This time I'm using real facts since
>I was addressed in a descent manner.) The biggest Holocaust of all time has been
>the Chineese masacre of "enemies of the state". figures ranger from 45-100
>million killed with the median at around 80M. Compared to this Stalin was a
>petty thief and Hittler was the sort of fellow you'd like to have babysit for
>your kids. Naturally, there are very few in prison. Everybody else is dead.
>(Note that these figures only include people directly killed by the state and
>to not include the cultural revolution or what ever you call that). In any
>study of Holocausts, Communist China is always number one.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky

Jason, This kind of rumor-mongering has to stop. Where did you get
this stat?. True. A lot of people were killed but certainly not on the
scale the Colonizers slaughtered the Indians. There are now almost
extinct. We still have 1.2 billion. This reminds me of a story that
The Chinese killed more than one million Tibetens in the 50's but
there are only about that many Tibetens at that time and now they
number at more than 3 millions. How can this be true.
Your assertion that the Chinese Parents kill their baby girls are
as appalling as it can be. You know this happens in every part of
the world, including your beloved country, the great US of A. I know
this because there are dodumented by the TV pictures. Where did you
get your judgement from. The CIA?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jhooks@well.sf.ca.us (William Jeffrey Hooks)
Subject: Living in Baoji
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:12:41 GMT


My wife and I will be teaching English at Baoji Teachers College next term.
We will be there for a year with our two sons (age 7 and 15). Any advice
about living in Shaanxi Province? Email please.

Thanks,

Jeff and Rita Hooks
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:09:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.150941.20248@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>In article <fortony.712455562@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>>
>>>>In the women's diving competition you mention, the winner was so ridiculously
>>>>good and so superhuman in her style that she stopped being interesting.
>>
>>>Thanks for the best laugh I have had in days. Who needs "rec.humor"
>>>after this?
>>
>>Sorry to hear it.  I was being quite serious.  If given a choice between
>>watching a technically perfect but somewhat boring Chinese diver who's
>>guaranteed to win and watching an older, flawed but spirited American
>>diver, I'm going to make the second choice every time.  At least the
>>American had expressions on her face.
>
>These are typical racist comments. A good diver needs concentration
>on the platform, not "flawed but spirited" *American* expression on
>the face. You don't like the Chinese diver, only because she is not 
>an American and does not have your American "expression" on her face, 
>regardless of her performance. 
>
>If Michael Jordan plays for an African nation, I bet you will say 
>the same thing about him. 
>
>>angle.  The Chinese diver could have been a robot, and nobody would
>>have noticed.  Period.
>
>You need to find better excuses. 


Oh come on! Dont start CRYING RACIST again!! Anything opposing popular
viewpoint seems to be termed racist. The Chinese divers were fantastic.
Mr Fortony had another opinion, thats all. No need to cry racist all
day. In fact, note that racism is not the prerogative of Europeans
or Whites, it can be Asians too!

Cool it, guys, Enjoy the Olympics.

Dinkar.
(I am an Asian)
From: sc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Cheng Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Development of Elec<>nic Testing in China
Keywords: test, china
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:13:57 GMT

Could anyone suggest me some information about the development
of electronic testing tools in China, including software packages
and hardware instruments?  Are they supporting JTAG 1149.1 (boundary
scan standard), VHDL? 

Any particular institutions doing the development?  It would be nice
if I could have their addresses to contact. 


Thanks in advance.

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Department of Electronics & Computer Science, University of Southampton,
England,  SO9 5NH					Tel: +44 703 593127
From: vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: LuoShi YouYongChi (60 swimming pools)
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:28:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Oh, here is an even better number.  According to Table 12.5 on p.244 of
'China Social Statistics 1986' from the State Statistical Bureau, as of
1983 there were 2.1 swimming pools for every 1000000 people in China, for
a total of roughly 2200 pools.  Hunan had the highest density of swimming
pools, with 110 for every 1000000 people, while Jilin had the lowest, with
0.4 for every 1000000 people.

So it looks like Time is really screwed up.  60 is off by several orders of
magnitude.

Cameron
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Three Ladies Walk Together ...
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:36:46 GMT

Jmaes wrote:
>Did Chinese really say that? :-)  I thought Chinese said, "once
your teacher, forever your father." (Yi2 Ri4 Wei2 Shi1, Zhong1
Sheng1 Wei2 Fu4). (deleted)

Wrong. Ci Si Fei Bi Si :-)

"Yi2 Ri4 Wei2 Shi1, Zhong1 Sheng1 Wei2 Fu4" applies only to some religions
or trades where masters are not paid by students (or their parents). It
does not apply to the relation of teacher/students in sense of Confucianist
scholars, for whom "Si" is an employee, though respectable one.

>****Confucius said, "Wen2 Dao4 You3 Xian1 Hou4, Shu4 Ye4 You3
<Zhuan1 Gong1."

This is from Dr. Han, but a classical definition of "Si" in mainstream
Confucianism.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: lug@oak.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:10:31 GMT

In article <fortony.712477195@murphy>, fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:


|> 
|> I'll stand by the "interesting" statement.  The contest in question was
|> completely dominated by the Chinese diver.  She crushed everyone else
|> with technically perfect dives, got out of the pool, and did it again.
|> I don't find it interesting.  Deal with it.

So you don't like an one-side-dominated competition? You definitely loose a lot of fun for being that.
Have you ever seen the U.S. Dream Team ( Basketball) playing? They school every  team else but
anyone who loves B-Ball will kill to watch them playing ( nobody cares Magic's HIV +).  If you don't like
it, switch to another channel. Very simple.


|> -- 
|> a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
|> Felix Sebastian Ortony	fortony@murphy.gis.uiuc.edu
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:57:10 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul30.191404.5848@> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>Having seen too much nonsense about the training system for athletes, 
>I can't help asking one simple question: how can China make a show by 
>using other system, under the circumstances that it is a poor country 
>with 1.2 million people?
>
>Find a solution before you complain.
....
>I feel sorry for both of you in some sense: you can't get the gold 
>apples with your bare minds.
>
>PS: Being proud blindly is as unreasonable as blaming aimlessly.

Zhiqi, please don't get me wrong. I am very happy for the Chinese
athletes to win all the metals and I wish them all the best! However
I also hope, one day, the Chinese athletes would compete with 
athletes from other countries on equal ground and then I will be
easier to jump and be proud.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Zhi Cheng Zhu <u9112081@cc.uow.edu.au>
Subject: Attn:Liu Ying-Xi No 6 high School Canton
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 11:20:55 EST

I am Zhu Zhi Cheng.
Did you remember me??????????
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: r1n7008@rigel.tamu.edu (BOB)
Subject: Questions on Advanced Parole and Exit Permit
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:10:00 GMT

I have the following two questions regarding the Advanced Parole and
the Exit Permit (from the PRC Public Safety Department):

1) I was told that the INS Southwest Regional Service (San Antonio, TX)
   stopped accepting applications for advanced parole, but the Washington
   Office still does. Can anybody out there confirm or disprove this?

2) As for the Exit Permit issued by the Chinese Public Safety Dept., is 
   the exit permit still required for a personal with a passport issued
   by the foreign minstry of PRC? I remember that last time, about a month
   ago, the Chinese governement issued a new regulation on this matter,
   but it only applies to private passport holders. Is that true?

If anybody knows the answers, please help me. Thanks a lot
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Yi Shu's Books
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:48:43 GMT

Sanyee Tang wrote:
>So who is this Yi Shu, what are the Chinese characters of her name/pen-name?
<And what she has written?  Anyone cares to give us out-moded older netters
<an introduction?

Yi, (too, also) Shu (relaxed, as in "ShuFu") -- got it?:-) She wrote Qiong
Yao style novels. I am wide-spectrum in reading and eating, but I failed to
finish any of her books. I finished one of Qiong Yao's, "Outside Window",
no more. This is of course a very subjective introduction.

>It is said Qiong Yao and San Mao have numerous Chinese teenager fans,
>especially among girls.  Unfortunately I have never read any of their books.

No regret, I assure you. Their books are for highschool girls. While YiShu's
are for junior high girls.
From: hell@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU (Dr B Hell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:54:29 GMT

In article <2A6CB967.2484@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
|> No, Mao is NOT a destruction oriented person.  Mao established a country, which
|> is called as "New China".  Weather this "New China" is better or worse than 
|> the "Old China" should be another issue, but only blinds cannot see the
|> difference between "Old China" and "New China".  Mao is aggreesive and full
|> of HuanXiang (illusion?).  

There is some problem here, if Mao did not destroy the "Old China", how could
he established the "New China", then why that didn't make him a desstruction
oriented person, it also depends on which way you see the "destruction" or
"construction".

|> 
|> Deng Xiaoping is a kind of manager type person.  If someone already founded a
|> company such as the "P R China Corporation", he can work as a manager at this
|> corporation.  In other words, if Mao did not exist, and if Chiang Kai-shek 
|> still were the emperor of China and keep doing the corruptive things, Deng
|> Xiaoping will *definately* NOT be able to destroy Chiang Kai-shek to establish
|> a different China.

But this "P R China Corportation" is corruptive alright, who is going to
"destroy" the corruption then? Wait for another "emperor" ?

|> 
|> Mao is a senior politician, Deng is a "tech"-politician.  Mao knew how to 
|> control his people, Deng knows how to cheat his people.

Mao knew how to kill millions of people, but Deng only knows how to kill 
a comparatively small number.

|> 
|> But, please be advised that we have millions of qualified personnels to work 
|> as the manager of "P R China Corporation".  Let alone myself, most of the SCC
|> readers can handle a better job than Deng.

That is something need to be verified.

|> 
|> Also, please ask yourselves a question: why the Chinese seldom (almost never)
|> support the real genuine people to be their "emperors"?

Just becuase as you said, they all think that they are better than others.

B Hell
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:24:04 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul30.161451.25809@> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>
>>>$10,631 a copy. 
>>
>>That's too high :(
>
>Not high, if the shipping fee is included.

What do you mean? A foreign car(made in Europe or Japan that is) only
adds few hundreds of dollars per car for freight.