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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: female rock bands

>>Marsha, a moderately intellegent....
>
>  A moderately *what* ?    :-)

        'intellegent' Tim, can't you read?... :-) :-)

OMC: my favourite female band: The Slits. For the name, if not for anything
     else! :)

        Ciao, Marco "doing nothing stuck in the mud"

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From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      king of kings

  Hey, I'm back and I'm here to disagree!  Albert King had that great
bending ability, but not much more, imho.  Freddie King played with
a kind of furious attack, and B.B. has that soft touch.  Of the 3,
I'd put Albert third.

   Picked up the Praxis CD.  Yeeha!  It's been sitting on the CD player
since I bought it, with the headphones connected.  It needs to be
*loud* and it scares the family (wife, kids, dog).  Great stuff.  I'll
admit to not paying much attention to George Clinton in the past, but
that guy is the master of funk!  And Buckethead is required listening
for any guitarist.  (aside:  I heard a tune played on NPR, between news
articles..."I've heard that somewhere. Wait! It's from Praxis".  It was
the slow tune with the ocean sounds.  Ha!  They're so hip ;-).

  My only complaint about it is that it seems contrived in some places,
and can be redundant at times.  But it still gets 2 thumbs up from me.

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:26:05 -0500
From:         eabyrnes <eabyrnes@VELA.ACS.OAKLAND.EDU>
Subject:      song info needed

Happy New Year Everyone! :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

        I hope this request is appropriate for your list, I apologize if
it is not. I am looking for information on a song which I believe is called
"The Sting of the Bee." I think it is Latin American or South American, maybe
Brazilian. The lyrics are in English. I need to know the musicians, the
album, the label, and any numbers. Thanks very much in advance.

  I am not a subscriber to your list so please reply to me
at eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu.

Thanks again,


--
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Ed Byrnes
Kensington Academy
1020 E. Square Lake Road
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan 48304
(313) 647-8062
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
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              22 Dec 1992 10:29:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:29:00 EST <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> said:
>From: ISTS024%UABDPO.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU at INTERNET 12/21/92 7:19AM (
>Subject: Danzig(?)
>
>>Who in the world is the group Danzig(sp) are they some kinda joke they seem
>>to be really against god or something, what's the deal here are they real
>>or anoyher Spinal Tap.....Bah Humbug..................L.W.
>
>I am curious. What song did you hear by them?

I've never heard a song by them (i didn't knock their music BTW) i've seen
their album covers and video covers which seem to be attacking my God, i'm
offended by them, because i beleive in God, and would not listen to anyone
that seems to be dis-respecting God
It seems kinda strange that if it were album covers showing disrepect of
Homosexuals or minorities.....etc, there would be an uproar and boycotts
but i guess God is fair game, I don't want to start a disscussion on
religion I know most of you don't believe, but maybe one day you'll "see
the light".................L.W.

 >BTW, Leonard, re Danzig, you gotta stop worrying about the groups on Tipper
>>Gore's hit list, they all suck and nobody buys their records anyway, so just
>>chill and stop posting one-liners, okay?

Sorry for the 1 liner (habits are hard to break), but i ignore Tipper Gore
completely and her husband and his office mate.......L.W.
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From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Best Band Ever

   I saw "Best Band Ever" and I knew right away we were talking about
   Toto... You guys are just amazing! Ain't it true Beer?



                                    - Drummer -
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Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde

All I can say is, if "early music" on "period instruments" is
crass marketing move anywhere in the world, then we have proof
positive that the despicable anti-intelectualism of the last
12 years is finally gonna take a breather..
Michael
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lenster and the Big Guy

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:21:15 PDT David Malbuff said:
>
>What Leonard's post has touched on is the arrogant hypocrisy that afflicts
>the 'politically-correct' left. Recall when Jesse Helms expressed outrage at
>the sculptor Andres Serrano's depiction of a crucifix in a jar of urine
>(entitled "Piss Christ"). Though Helms was trying to stop federal money from
>financing such art (and Lord knows, the federal-funding thread has been
>frazzled to death here already!), his true motive was seen, and rightly so IMO,
>as censorship. And everyone in the arts and music community, and all the PC
>activists and noisemakers, rose to defend Serrano and his art. No problem.
>
>But suppose another artist depicted a photo, drawing, or sculpture of, say,
>Malcolm X in a jar of urine, with a nice, inoffensive title like "Piss
>Malcolm"? Would those who condemned Helms now rise up in support of this
>artist and his work? Ha, ha, ha. Hell, no, they wouldn't.
>
>That's where the argument lies here. There seems to be general agreement in
>the arts community that you can attack some people's icons, but not others'.
>The only word that describes that attitude is hypocrisy.
>
>So if there's room for Danzig (or Serrano, for that matter) in your world,
>is there room for Skrewdriver, too?

I couldn't agree more, i just hate the use of a man of "color" as an example
because even though it was needed to get the point across, whenever you say
any thing of that nature you become branded as a racist, which i am not...L.W.
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Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde

"You should judge each thing on its own merits," says wise Mr. Beer.
I take the substance of maestro Zukerman's blast to be that the followers
of Norrington et. al. are NOT doing that, but subscribing to a fad in
place of using their ears to hear. The analogy of the emporer's new clothes
would fit perfectly for what he is trying to describe.
  And again, I'm with Beer on the wait-and-see attitude; surely, if there's
one thing the whole wild range of music in this century should show us that
you cannot judge music by the means used to make it. I have heard some per-
formances on original instruments which set new standards for wretchedness.
Norrington's massacre of the Eroica is a case in point: he follows the
metronome marking to the letter, but makes no attempt to speed up his own
ears to the uncustomary tempo. Harnoncourt, on the other hand, makes a
pretty fair case for the "new" interpretation, as he is very obviously
listening his head off throughout. Case proven? Perhaps. I would say, with
all due respect to a fine musician, that it strikes me as rather naive to
think that people need an organized cultural movement as an excuse not to
listen or feel; as phenomena as diverse as Boulez, Madonna, and Spielberg
show, this little difficulty is pandemic just now.
MWM
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: piss metal

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:01:20 EST Tim Johnson said:
>I understood Len's question to be why people get a burr
>up their butt over one but not the other, with the implication
>being that it is hypocritical.  I think there is no hypocrisy,
>and no problem - if you are easily offended, go for it.  Just
>don't expect us all to agree or even sympathize with you.  I
>gave a rationale for the difference in concern over piss christ
>and piss malcom.  Work yourself up over whichever you please.

I don't really care what an artist does, i object to gov't funding for stuff
that is not art....pure and simple Mapplethorpe's work is not art a bottle of
piss is not art......it's not art...........L.W.
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From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Keyboard Man from Russia

>
>Also, on this "audition".  This drummer had a studio behind his "house".
>The studio was loaded with recording goodies, etc.  It was bigger than
>his house.  His house had 4 rooms (bedroom, kitchen, living room, bathroom),
>where he lived with his wife and kid (and Misha).  The furniture etc. was
>old sponge cushions with blankets on them.  But his studio was top-o-the-
>line.  I felt like slapping some sense into the jerk.  Some people.
>Obviously I'm still pissed at the guy.
>

I don't blame you. What a waste. Those sponge cushions make excellent sound
baffles if you want to set up a vocal or drum booth inside your studio.

David
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Albrt King RIP

Damn Albert King died of a heart-attack last night, a true blues legend
one of the rare guitar players who's playing is "all meat and no filler"
An influence to count-less players i'll miss the hell out of him....W
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: piss metal
              23 Dec 1992 10:22:50 -0500 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:22:50 -0500 Russ Gelinas said:
>Squeezing one note on a guitar over and over is not art, no matter how
>painfully blue a face you might be able to put on.  Thankfully, there's
>no government funding going to support *that* sort of trash.

What if you play the note with something sticking in your a** and take a
picture, then the Gov't would fund it and you'd obviously apporove...L.W.
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Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:54:45 GMT
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In a previous article, "Out, () says:

>Just thinking... I'm listening to the 3rd volume of the King Crimson's mon-
>ster box "Frame By Frame". There are two songs I've known for some years,
>but still the meaning of titles escapes me; they are

>Matte Kudasai
>Thela Hun Jingeet

>        Does anyone know what this means? I suspect Matte Kudasai might be
>a name, but I have no hint about the other one. Maybe Bloomster has a clue,
>this time :)...

  Will you settle for "n.n."?  

  "Thela Hun Jingeet" is an anagram of either "In The Jungle Heat" or "Heat
In The Jungle," I forget which one, but they both work, don't they (duh)?  :)
According to the legend, the narration provided by Belew on that tune was a
Real Live Event (tm), captured by Fripp after hearing how excited and panicky
Belew was upon arriving at Crimson's New York practice space. So, it would
seem that Belew was very nearly accosted just before that was recorded. It
truly is a jungle out there.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Best Band Ever
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:19:11 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92122119545534@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU> writes:
>   I saw "Best Band Ever" and I knew right away we were talking about
>   Toto... You guys are just amazing! Ain't it true Beer?
>
>
>
>                                    - Drummer -

The drummer proves time and time again is that a drummer is a musician
NOT!

Jeff
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From:         TSEADA@VRIT01.EG
Subject:      Re: Best Band Ever

I think the best band ever is PINK FLOYD.
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Subject:      Re: school

p.s. did someone get the address for that guy looking for the "Brazilian"
tune about the "sting of the bee"? I'm pretty sure he wants "Waters of March"
by Jobim, but I haven't got his address right to tell him.
Thanx,
Michael
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Subject: Re: Sharrock
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:48:04 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92123108403751@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>, Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET> writes:
>On Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:32:09 GMT Jeff Beer said:
>>Free improvisation means that you play with nothing planned in advance.
>>Often improvisation is based on a form, in terms of number of measures,
>>keys, and chord progession.  You know the 12 bar blues.
>>
>>In free improvisation, nothing is given in advance.  It is not so much
>>that there is no form,  but that the form comes freely.  i.e.  You might
>>go into G minor, but nobody planned to, and the bass player is free to
>>be in another key if desired.  You are free to solo, or play background,
>>or shift roles whenever you want.
>
>That's a problem i have with it , i was listening to "Ask The Ages" and
>on some tunes they seem to be in different keys, there was no structure
>I'm sure i didn't give it enuff of a chance, but i really couldn't take
>it long. I'm into improvisation, but i'm not sure about that type of
>"free-form" because there seemed to be no structure, no rules....etc.
>I'm by no means knocking Sharrock, I've heard too many good things about
>him, I guess i'm so accustomed to structure that something like that is
>not appealing to me. BTW the CD I put in after I tried to listen to Sharrock
>was Hound Dog Taylor, I'm sure most of you feel that was a helluva change,
>but we do what we have to do. I got some Michelle Shocked y'day and the
>muscians she has one it are impressive, Albert Lee and Bernie Leadon to
>name a couple.........L. W.
>
>OSC: Alabama will be national champs, come Friday night.......L.W.


What, no structure on *Ask the Ages*?  All the tunes on that recording are
*rather* structured, not like the blues perhaps, but I think that every
cut (as I recall) begins and ends, at least, with the statement of a
definite melody, and what happens in between *relates* to each melody,
to my ears.  Hmmmm, I suppose that if one is unfamiliar with the jazz of
the Fifties and Sixties this recording would sound unstructured, but it's
actually *very* structured in comparison to so-called "free jazz."

genuinely puzzled,
michael mcdonald

p.s.  folks, i'll understand should you choose to flame me for reappearing
here after the way i signed off, but i'd really rather that you choose to
forego the flames this time, and would thank you for so doing.
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From:         Doctor Pizz <jdt10@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      re: Epistemelogy 'R Us

Does anyone know of a music theory emphasis list?
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From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      re: Epistemelogy 'R Us

From: MHB%MITVMA.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU at INTERNET 12/22/92 4:12PM (1163
Subject: Epistemology 'R Us

>> Has there ever been an ALLMUSIC compilation tape made?
>I believe there was one made in 1991 some time-- it was just before I joined.
>> 22 songs, 20 of them I've never heard before. I will be buying *atleast*
>> 5 new CDs because of listening to this tape. It is a brilliant idea.

>It'd be easier for the metal list; they're thematically oriented. An ALLMUSIC
>compilation would range from Queensryche to Orlando di Lasso to Lightnin'
>Hopkins-- and while I would dig it, I suspect some of our local special
>interest groups would cringe.

Easier smeasier. What's that got to do with the price of [insert your favorite
thing 'in' your favorite place, here]? The metal list is not much different
than the ALLMUSIC list. With both you have a bunch of people that like
different types of music. There are many types of heavy metal. You got
Progressive (Fates Warning, Queensryche), Thrash (Pantera, Metallica,
Megadeth), Industrial (Ministry), Death (Entombed, Possessed, Napalm Death),
Black (Venom, Celtic Frost), Pop [aka poseur glam crap] (Poison,
Warrant, Bon Jovi, ad nauseam), and then there's Hard Rock (Trouble, Tesla,
Great White) etc.

I can tell you I can't tolerate any of that Death crap. The lyrics are
nearly impossible to hear and the music sounds like a big conglomoration
of noise. Most on the metal list hate any kind of Pop-glam stuff.

It's not much different with ALLMUSIC. You have Country, Jazz, Rock, Reggae,
New Age, etc. (Am I commiting a fallacy here by assuming that what is true
for the specific is true for the more general?) I don't like any Country
music I have heard. I want someone to turn me on to something I do like.
I *never* thought I would like anything by Celtic Frost. I have never even
heard of Mekong Delta (I have no idea what metal classification to put them
under). Have any of *you* heard of Mekong Delta? Well, you'll hear about them
in a few weeks after I receive the CD by them I had to order specially from
Germany.

I want to hear your favorite Henry Cow tune. I want to hear "n.n."'s favorite
Holdsworth tune. I want to hear cmv's favorite Sharrock tune. [I think] I
want to hear Leonard's favorite Blues track. I want to hear Carol's
favorite tune to give head by. I want to hear Marsha's favorite a cappella
song. etc. etc. etc. Oops, don't forget Bob Crispen's favorite Enya tune.

Geez, sorry for going nutso here. There doesn't need to be any rules;
everybody picks a song and that's it. You *can't possibly* please everybody
with every song.

Seeya,                                          gmgettie@thama1.apgea.army.mil
Gary
"Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling.
 Think for yourself and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet."
- Queensryche
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From:         Derek Pickett <C588208@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Another screwed up CD.

     Picked up The Waxing Poetics _Bedtime Story_ in the cutout bin
the other day. They are a four piece  (2 guitars, bass, and drums)
rock band from Norfolk, VA. I had heard of them when I lived there
a couple of years ago. I've only listened to it once, but enjoyed it
immensely. Their sound kind of reminds me of The Smithereens. But
what bummed me out was that the case and the label on the CD list
14 songs, but there were only 12. I had been reading everyone elses
misfortunes and thinking to myself, 'Glad that hasn't happened to me!'
and now it has. I don't even know if I'll be able to get a replacement,
because I picked the last one in the bin. I will try though.
     I was in Kansas City this past weekend, and found a totally cool
music store where you can sell or trade tapes, CD's, records,
or posters for theirs. I found a copy of _Transmutation_ and the soundtrack
to _Shaft_ that I'm going to pick up this weekend when I go back. This
gives me a good opportunity to unload all of those "dogs" I've picked
up over the years. 8^). Can't wait to get _Transmutation_ based on
everyones reviews. 8^) 8^).

Derek
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
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watson@HG.ULETH.CA (Thumper) writes:

>Ok... now it's hooked up, but there's one small problem:  I don't own a
>single CD as yet.  I'm about to correct that problem and want to know from
>you guys the following:  What CD should have the dubious honor of deflowering
>my CD player and why?  I don't want it to be something you already know I
>own on cassette either...  :)

Obvious solution:
buy the best record you know on CD...  Suggestions (in order of preference):
Peter Hammill -- Over
Patti Smith -- Wave
Joni Mitchell -- Don Juan's Reckless Daughter
etcetera...

Less obvious solution:
The above solution will immediately pose the enormous problem of having to
decide which record is 'best', generating all sorts of moral conflicts and
inner struggles, maybe even leading to nervous breakdowns, personality crisis
and other highly undesirable side-effects.  Thus the following is suggested:
buy a $2 CD of which you're sure you'll absolutely HATE it -- the kind you
can play at most once in your life, after which you'll only use it as a
frisbee.  This way you'll probably avoid the solution-1 problem...

Dumb solution:
Invite a friend and ask him/her to bring a random CD (don't tell why).  At
least good for a surprise.

Extremely stupid solution:
Don't use your CD player.

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams
Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
The Netherlands                          *
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