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From: mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie 
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:34:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.165955.17808@afit.af.mil> maysee@ss2.sews.wpafb.af.mil writes:
>Jazz listeners,
>
>   I have a fairly large collection of Miles CD's and a few Coltrane 
>CD's and a couple of Parker CD's, but I have no Dizzy Gillespie CD's.
>Can someone point me to a few essential CD's by Dizzy?  Anyone hear
>of Dizzy's Diamonds, a box set from Verve, I think.  If so, what did
>you think of it.
>
>Eric
>
>    


I just got this box.  It's a 3 CD box that is organized into
Big Band; Small Groups; and Afro Cuban, Bossa,... Groove.

IMHO, it makes a small dent in the essential Diz, but
it contains a good start with such tunes as "Manteca", "A Night in Tunisia",
"Birks' Works", "Jordu", "Leap Frog", "Tin Tin Deo",
"Swing Low Sweet Cadillac", and "Desafinado".

It also has an extensive set of "liner" notes and a verve discography.


WJM
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> No one's collection should be lacking the following:
> 
> Money Jungle -- Duke Ellington, Charles Mingus, and Max Roach
> 
> This would probably be my single desert island disk, if I had to pick one.  
> 
> This recording really gives you a chance to hear Duke play some heavy shit  
> on the piano.  And you can guess how Mingus and Roach are.  The  
> combination works beautifully.  All Ellington compositions.    
> 

I have no problem going with the above recommendation.  I haven't listened
to it in quite sometime but I remember when I bought it and I was thinking,
"this has got to be some kind of off the wall recording that was never released
and has been now just to sell records by milking the Ellington/Mingus/Roach
names".

Then I put it on the turntable and was completely knocked out!

In fact this album is great for reminding modern day jazz pianists and other
instruments, what jazz is all about.  A lot of today's emphasis is on fast,
digital execution, and I'm not going to say that that is not important.  But
the Ellington emphasis on these perfectly bluesy, melodic lines, ..., is just
amazing.  It's even more astonishing because it's total improvisation for him.
I remember hearing his lines and saying to myself, "How does this man conceive
of and execute these ideas on the fly?  They're beyond description."

In fact I stole and practiced a few of his lines off that album and used them
in some piano gigs I did and when I played those lines, people would turn
their heads and listen, with this look in there's eyes saying, "hey, this guy
is good!".  And I'm just laughing to myself thinking, "damn, I can just make a
career out of playing Duke Ellington licks!"  They're that good.

Duke Ellington's piano playing on Money Jungle will confirm, in anybody's
mind who has doubts, the greatness of this man.  Though known as a great band
leader and composer of high and sophisticated stature, Ellington proves on this
album that his decision too make his mark as one of, if not the greatest, band
leaders of all time, was by choice, and not because he couldn't play some of
the baddest (in the positive) jazz piano around.

 - Errol
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From: vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis)
Subject: Re: Ellington at Fargo, Live - 1940
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:41:43 GMT

stanwass@s.psych.uiuc.edu (S Wasserman) writes:
> The Music Heritage Society is offering Ellington Live at Fargo (1940)
>    as as two CD set this month.
> Does anyone out there have an opinion of this recording ?
> Should I go for it ??

This is a great set. Over 150 minutes, decent sound (Jack Towers, who
recorded the music, did the remastering), and a great chance to hear the
band stretch out past the traditioanl studio limit of ~3 minutes. This was
recommended here on rmb quite a while back (who was that?) and I can
heartily second (or third or whatever) that.

The VJC Carnegie Hall 1948 date is cool too.
-- 
| Vincent Kargatis		     |	Dept. of Space Physics & Astronomy |
| vek@spacsun.rice.edu		     |	Rice University, Houston, TX       |
| "[Christ's] birthday mighta been the time to be on the beach at Galilee, |
|   watching him turn water into beer" - Brave Combo, "Christmas In July"  |
From: smg+@cs.cmu.edu (Stephen Guattery)
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Subject: Gillespie and Armstrong (was Dizzy's Passing)
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:41:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0rG96.GGC.2
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Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Michael R. Volow writes:
>Interested, Miles thinking that Diz and Satchmos' clowning were kissing
>up to the white press. In Diz autobiography, "To Be or Not to Bop",
>Diz remembers that he used to criticize Armstrong for the same thing.
>Later on  he reflects that Louis smiling may have had a deeper meaning,
>i.e., "No matter how the white man puts me down, he can never take
>my music away from me." He felt more respect for Armstrong after
>this reflection.

On the topic of conflicts between Armstrong and Gillespie, maybe I can
get an answer to a couple of questions.  I've heard that at one point
Gillespie and Armstrong were involved in a public "feud" over the merits
of bebop (it may have been PR as much as anything else).  This feud
involved parodies that each did of the other's style.  Diz's parody was
called "Pops Confessin'".  The parody Armstrong did was called something
like "The Boppenpoof Song".

Now the questions: Which of the two parodies was done first?  Anybody
have any more details about the disagreement?  Is "The Boppenpoof Song"
on any Armstrong recording currently available?

By the way, "Pops Confessin'" was anthologized on the now-out-of-print
Savoy collection called "Dee Gee Days" (maybe it's on one of the Denon
Savoy releases mentioned by Gordon H. Fick?).  It was originally released
in the early '50's.

Thanks,


					Steve Guattery
					smg@cs.cmu.edu
From: marcor@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Marco Rentier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: New Johnny Winter
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:51:14 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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I just bought the new Johnny Winter CD "Hey, where's your brother?" and I think it's pretty good. The songs aren't as great as on 3rd degree, but Johnny Winter
is still one of the most powerful blues-guitar players on the world, and again : he proofs it !

So : if you're a fan (and also when you're not) : listen to it !

Marco Rentier

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From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
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Subject: Re: Monk "book"
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:01:54 GMT
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Wayne Wylupski (wayne@inmet.camb.inmet.com) wrote:
: Sometime during the past year I have purchased a legitimate book of Monk 
: tunes.  I'll bring it in tomorrow and post the name, author and publisher.
: What I remember is that it was incomplete, but included with the music was
: a description of the origins of the tune and other tidbits.  In the intro
: the author said he intended on adding ohter tunes to future revisions.

Great!  This sounds like Sickler's work - didn't he also do "Mingus - More Than
A Fakebook"?  About how many tunes are there, and are they tunes that don't
appear everywhere else (ie, "Real Book", "New Real Book", Jamey Aebersold,
other legal books)?

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From: tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:02:22 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Oregon
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As regards essential recordings, I'm awfully fond of the Massey Hall concert
(Mingus, Diz, Max Roach, Bud Powell, and Bird [credited as Charlie Chan]);
half the material is Dizzy's, and while the recording is a little spotty,
it's a hell of a collective performance.

Is this out on CD, though?  I have an old tape which is starting to show its
age.

	NT
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From: kamine@is.rice.edu (Jorge Hershel Kamine)
Subject: Re: Another master is gone....
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:19:23 GMT

In article <1ifmakINNoat@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:
>think of - as "Blue In Green" was for Miles.  But here's hoping someone besides
>me calls up "Con Alma", "Things To Come", "Salt Peanuts", and other less played
>yet equally "Dizzy" compositions.
Please do not forget the immense contribution that Dizzy made in
establishing latin-jazz.  I am afraid I can only offer "Tanga"
and "Soul Sauce" as songs that I know to be associated with Dizzy
as far as latin-jazz.  I can guarantee you he will be sorely
missed by all of us who are interested in latin-jazz.  God rest
his soul.
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From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo ADELAKUN T K)
Subject: This _kills_ me..!
Organization: City University, London
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:14:34 GMT

First let's condole together over the sad demise of Dizzy Gillespie. The
longevity of this towering influence always struck me as remarkable, but
we all know no-one lasts forever. But so much for an elegy - I believe in
lionizing people when they're alive, not when they're departed and unable
to take heart from the encouragement their just praise will confer. 

A colleague of mine in IBM (a Scotsman) asked whether I'd heard the news 
(of Dizzy's death) - I said I had, what a sad thing etc. He then asked,
"Did Bird die? [i.e Is Bird dead?]". I manfully kept a straight face and
said, Yes Charlie Parker died at the age of 33, over thirty years ago. 
"Oh," was his rejoinder, "it's the name... it's so BIG". I let him off.

Toyin.
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: The Tonight Show
Date: 9 Jan 1993 13:17:45 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
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In article <1993Jan9.162448.8101@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>And Mr. Beer -- I'm sorry if you think I have implied that you don't
>have a right to criticize Leno and the Tonight Show.  But what you did
>was suggest that aliens should blow up this whole planet because of
>Leno's shortcomings as a commentator on jazz.  And I don't see why I
>and my loved ones should die a horrible death just because you have
>unrealistic expectations from the medium of late night television.

Are you serious?   

One question, have you ever heard of...... humor?

Jeff

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From: The Internet Surfer <rs18@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Don Cherry suggestions?
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21: 23:34 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:12:49 GMT

In article <DNB.92Dec30180245@meshugge.media.mit.edu> David N.
Blank-Edelman, dnb@meshugge.media.mit.edu writes:

>What a find!  I'd heard Cherry's work...and thought it was very good.

Try "Playing" by Old and New Dreams (Don Cherry, Dewey Redman, Charlie
Haden, and Ed Blackwell)  It is excellent!
-TR
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From: mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo)
Subject: Re: orchestral cecil
Organization: The Poto Mitan in the Houmfor
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:20:57 GMT

> mad@cs.wm.edu (Michael A. Dritschel):
> There's been a lot of discussion of recordings of Cecil Taylor in
> various venues, but one area that's it seems to me to have been
> neglected are his large ensemble pieces, which I find to be some of
> the finest music of this sort.  Unfortunately I am only aware of two
> such recordings.  The first is a Gil Evans recording on Bluebird(?)
> called _Into the Hot_ that is half Cecil Taylor compositions.  The
> other is a Hat recording.  The title doesn't come to mind (my
> recordings and terminal are unfortunately not near each other), but I
> think there may be two, depending on which side you look at.
> Something with "winged serpent" in it, I believe.  I imagine someone
> with a better memory for or more convenient record collection can fill

As other people have pointed out, INTO THE HOT orchestral stuff is
actually by Johnny Carisi. The Cecil taylor material on that album
is small-group. Here is the complete recdb on WINGED SERPENT, IMO
an atypical album. I am VERY sorry I missed seeing that big band during
that one week it was at Sweet Basil, way back when...

Records with this Title:
Taylor, Cecil                                            Soul Note SN 1089 (LP)
Title: Winged Serpent (Sliding Quadrants)
Recorded: 10/22/1984, 10/23/1984, 10/24/1984 at Studio 7, Milano, Italy
Released: 1985
With: Enrico Rava, Trumpet
      Tomasz Stanko, Trumpet
      Jimmy Lyons, Alto Sax
      Frank Wright, Tenor Sax
      John Tchicai, Tenor Sax, Bass Clarinet
      Gunter Hampel, Baritone Sax, Bass Clarinet
      Karen Borca, Bassoon
      William Parker, Bass
      Rashied Bakr, Drums
      Andre Martinez, Drums, Percussion
      Cecil Taylor (leader), Piano
Contents: 1) Taht                                                      ( 08:50)
          2) Womb Waters Scent Of The Burning Armadillo Shell          ( 13:04)
          3) Cun-Un-Un-Un-An                                           ( 07:10)
          4) Winged Serpent                                            ( 13:54)
          Total:                                                       ( 42:58)
Purchased: 1985

As other people have also noted, Cecil plays with a big band on one of the
FMP box CDs. I don't have it, so I can't comment, but all reviewers have
raved about the box, so...
-- 
Marcel-Franck Simon             	mingus@usl.com, usl!mingus

	" Papa Loko, ou se' van, ou-a pouse'-n ale'
	  Nou se' papiyon, n'a pote' nouvel bay Agwe' "
From: hatori@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Shisei FUJIWARA)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r. malone's cd
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:41:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo


 I just bought Russell Malone's CD and am very impressed.  Who has he 
 played with besides Harry Connick?  Was he just another local musician (in Georgia)
 until joining the H. Connick band?  Where is he playing these days?

 -Tom Landman
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Chet Baker
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:33:25 -0600
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I have a lot of Chet Baker, and I tend to like his later stuff the best.
Even though it is mellow and all that, emotionally, it is on the edge.

You have be careful, when he is on, it is the greatest, but
there are others which the quality is low.  I have found the recordings
on the Timeless label to be very consistant, especially the band with
Jon Burr on bass, Harold Danko on piano, and Ben Riley on drums.
The title track to Kirk Lightsey's "Everything Happens To Me" (Timeless
176) is beautiful, and that cut also appears on Chet Baker Sings Again
(Timeless 238) even though Lightsey is not credited.

There are also some on Steeplechase that are stunning.  A duet album
with Paul Bley, and another with Duke Jordan and N.O. Pederson are the
best on Steeplechase.

He worked a lot with guitarist Philip Catherine, and of that group, I
recommend the one on Iggloo 0343 from 1983.  Good luck finding it in the
US, I got mine at FNAC, which is the French equivalent of Tower.  If you
find Strollin' on Enja 5005-11, or Chet's Choice on Criss Cross 1016 you
will do fine.

Another one, called Broken Wing, with Phil Markowitz, is recommended.  

As for an earlier one, you have to put up with Herbie Mann, but there is
an album with Bill Evans that fullfills the promise you could imagine
from an Evans/Baker colloration.

The soundtrack album to Let's Get Lost has been dubbed as Chet's
"funeral album".  While his vocals may be off, sounding somewhat out of
it, his trumpet playing is great.

A friend of mine used to play with him, it is funny how he liked Chet's
vocals as much as his trumpet playing.  He doesn't seem to be one to
tolorate stuff out of tune.  He is the pianist on the Chet album that
also has Bill Frisell.  But before you say, wow, "Bill Frisell and Chet
Baker", this was recorded in the 70s, and on this album Bill sounds like
"nobody's bebop guitar player".

Jeff
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From: dwillar@hubcap.clemson.edu (David Willard)
Subject: Another master is gone....
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:21:09 GMT

I just heard this on my local jazz/blues station...

Dizzy Gillespie passed away today(1/6) at the age of 75.

No other details were given, but I'm sure by evening news time
there will be plenty.

Another master is gone, a wonderful voice silenced...

Farewell Diz!

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Dept. of Computer Science, Clemson U. |  in my mouth and everyone's
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Date: Mon,  4 Jan 1993 10:27:39 -0500 
From: Ignatios Alexander <ia0n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Wayne Horvitz' PIG PEN

From: Judith_Beeman@mindlink.bc.ca (Judith Beeman):
>Pig Pen (I'm picturing the cartoon character) is coming to the Cruel Elephant
>cabaret here in Vancouver, Sat, Jan 16.
> 
>Horvitz, ex of Joyn Zorn's Naked City ensemble will lead the group.
> 
>Described, in the ad, as a cross between Nirvana/Soundgarden and Ornette
>Coleman....a nonstop barrage of noise, rhythm and swing.
> 
>think I'll check it out. Anyone familiar?


I saw Horvitz's Pig Pen group last August in Seattle at the Crocodile Cafe.
It was a quartet with alto sax, elec. bass, and drums.  Similar to Naked
City, but no guitar--witty, varied music (one of Bartok's Mikrokosmos pieces
and a jazz standard was thrown in).  A bunch of jerks in the back kept 
yelling, 'Wayne's world, Wayne's world!'  

Horvitz's keyboard playing was outstanding.

Check 'em out if like it loud.

---Ignatios (not a 'Burgher) in Pgh, PA



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From: werner@ncs.com (Paul Werner)
Subject: Diz is Dead! Go hear the Jazz greats before they're all dead!!
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:52:37 GMT

Dizzy died last night of pancreatic cancer.  It's a very sad day...
-- 
               /| - Paul Werner, werner@ncs.com
>=====TTT=====| | 
   (( |||  ))  \| - It Don't Mean A Thing If It Ain't Got That Swing...
     ======                   Duke Ellington
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Recent Jazz
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:09:42 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

Hi,

	I've been listening to some "basic" jazz for a couple years now,
Coltrane, Bird, Diz, Miles, Sonny Rollins, Monk, etc.  I wondered what
more "recent" jazz recordings I might be interested in.

	Actually I kind of liked Miles' incursions into funky rhythmic
genres.  Dizzy's work with Afro/Latin music seems interesting too.  But I
guess I'm really looking for some of the more "straight-ahead" work.
Sorry I'm not as tremendously educated in this genre as I'd like to be.

	BTW I was also saddened to hear of Dizzy's passing.

Rob
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   Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Ornette bio?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:33:55 GMT

glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
>Okay, I've seen a couple of references to the content of Litweiler's 
>new book on Ornette here lately, but my local (and reliable) retailer
>tells me that it's not due in the stores until APRIL.  What gives?
>Are you guys reading galleys or is this available already?

It was published by Quartet books in London, where it has been out for a
few months. Sandeep read a review of it in Wire (a British magazine), and
asked me to pick up a copy for him while I was in London last December. I
gladly did so, but my "shipping charge" was that I read it on the flight
back :-). Sandeep and I have both posted comments from the book.

>                         "Mancini is a god."

Not to put down the composer of the Peter Gunn music (which got some folks
interested in jazz 30 odd years ago, although I don't know of anything he
did later that was any closer to jazz than an occasional Plas Johnson sax
solo), but this is a surprising quote from someone asking for Ornette's
biography.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
From: lmcohen@terapin.com (Lee Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Art Pepper (was: Hello!,NEW TO News Group)
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:45:25 PST
Organization: BBS

Thanks for the welcome.  My response will be brief.  I've new to this system
and have yet to get an off-line reader and replier for it.  Any suggestion
would have my lasting gratitude.  The essential ART PEPPER collection IMHO
should include: Surfride, Modern Art, Smack Up, +11, Meets The Rhythm Section,
Living Legend, The Trip, One September Afternoon, and Goin' Home.  Of these,
the first purchase would have to be MODERN ART.  The first cut, "Blues In" is
alone worth the price of the CD, and Art's version of "Summertime" is one of
the most poingant I've ever heard.  There's a break mid-way that'll have the
hair on the back of your neck stand on end!  I would reserve my recommendation
of the SURF CLUB dates for the hard-core PEPPER fan, as the sound quality is
only marginal, but the music does shine through.  Yes, there are many great
"West Coasters" that are overlooked.  Hampton Hawes, Curtis Counce's group with
Harold Land and Carl Perkins, There are several good books out now on the
subject, the most recent: California Cool, West Coast Jazz of the 50's and 60's
the album cover art.  This was done by the same folks that put together the
BLUNOTE cover book and does a great job chronically the period.  I have a lot
of data on these folks and as soon as I get that off-line reader I'll start
transmiting....HELP!