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From: 54yang@cua.edu
Subject: Re: Review of the Republican National Convention
Followup-To: none
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:55:29 GMT

In article <BtDuLr.LJK@news.udel.edu>, gbc@brahms.udel.edu (Baochun Ge) writes:
> 	Many people must have watched the Republican National 
> Convention this week. In my opinion, it's far from successful.

You seem helping the campaign for Clinton. :-)

I like to ask a question to those who watched the speeches in the convention.
What are the issues caught your attention the most?  Media and Americans
are talking about 

	Tax, Foreign policy, Family values, homosexuality,
	Social welfare, etc. etc.

But what interest me the most is the sharp differences of the function
of the government between the Republicans and Democrats.  

First, the Republicans believe a small government: the government 
should do as little as possible in domestic economy, whereas the 
Democrats believe there needs more governmental regulations for 
the economy.   But common goal: make the economy grow.

Secondly, the Republicans want to protect the "Rich" people first,
and leave the care of the poor by the free willing of the rich.
(Bush quoted Lincohn's a sentence, something like "It is not right
to weak the rich for the poor", (please give the original wording
if you can)).  But the democrats want the government protect the
poor by providing things like unemployment assistance, health
insurance, etc.  And Clinton want to increase tax to the richest
2% people.

The Republicans seem representing "capitalists" for they want 
the government protect them first.  But, maybe Republicans right
at this point, because more limit on the "owners, producers, etc"
may hurt the whole economy, then it is just not possible to help
the poor anymore.

The Democrats seem pursuing equality and fair, speaking for the
poor.  This ideal sounds good (as many of us learned to believe).
However, the enlargement of government must bring a worse
bureaucratization, then must increase tax in order to maintain
the bureaucracy.  When the whole economy shrink, the rich
loose money while the poor loose jobs and life will be harder.
However, the regulations to protect the poor (such as unemployment
benefits, health insurance, etc) seem necessary too, for the
free will of the rich (the owner, producer, etc) maybe concentrate
too much on making more money.

As a Chinese educated in the "Communist" China, we have heard a 
lot of arguments similar to the Democrats (although not the same),
when we hear the Republicans the first time, we may just feel
they are too much representing the "capitalists".  But when I
give a second thought, I find it is not so easy to choose among
the two sets of arguments.  What is your opinion?

By the way, I remember some Chinese dissidents made speeches in
the Democrats convention, but there seemed no Chinese dissidents
spoke in the Republican convention.  Is this true?  if so, why?

Any comment is welcomed.  Can send to my mailbox or this SCC.

Fenggang Yang
54yang@cua.bitnet
54yang@cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:04:08 GMT

In article <etxmow.714043998@garboc34> etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
>
>
>
>       In today's "Dagens Nyheter" (17/8) the largest morning paper
>       in Sweden, there is a long article claiming that many cases
>       of cannibalism occured in China during the '60s. The article
>       written by a Chinese, claims that tens of thousand of people
>       were massacred and eaten. First they were condemned as "enemies
>       of the people" and then slaughtered. I will spare you the grisly
>       details, but the author claimed that the career in the communist
>       party were easier for those who participated in the abhorrent 
>       murders.
>
The cannibalism has never been reported in official papers in China, so
what I've heard or read is just rumors or from HongKong magazines.
Actually, there should be twice the period for the cannibalism. Once was
in the beginning of the sixties (or rather say started in the end of
fifties) is some provinces in China. The reason is simple, the Mao's
agriculture policy. From unofficial statistic report twenty million
people died then. The second one happened in the end of 66 in some
provinces in some isolated counties. The main event was the 
slaughter of the whole family of land lords, wealthy peasants, and etc.
etc. ( 5 bad elements) Everyone, from young babis to old people were
included. Some cases of cannibalism happened too.

>       Does the article lie ? Or did these cruelties really take place ?
>       (To relate to another thread in s.c.c., no cannibalism took place
>       in Norway during the '60s, to the best of my knowledge...)
>
>       Mats Winberg

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:10:23 GMT

In article <713523737.19736@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>According to the Cambridge History of China (vol.12, Cambridge
>University Press, 1982), the golden age of China was the period 
>from 1912 to 1920 (8 years), which had 13.8% growth rate of 
Westen nations were at Wars, left us along at the time!
>Chinese industries. However, it said that the similar growth 
>rate appeared in the period from 1953 to 1957.

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From: 5247cuid@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Visa question
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:03:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095F3A5.1762EBC0
Reply-To: 5247cuid@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Dear netters:

	I have a friend with F-1 visa. Recently, his graduate program
was terminated by our school due to less academic progress. He is trying
to find another school to attend. He has a question: legally, how long
can he stay here? Because right now is not a good time to apply for
school (too late for the fall, 1992), we want to know how to handle this 
problem. Any suggestion would be great. 

	Thank you in advance.

				Sincerely Yours,


				Dayong Cui
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 11:41:38 GMT

The US did apologize for the detention camps and the US did make reparations.
Late and little respectively.... but they did do these things.

As far as your leap of unfaith (don't know what else to call it) that connects
the detention with McCarthy's witch hunt..... Although you will presumably
find some overlap between the populations (statistically almost certain), I
have never heard of any evidence that there was a wide spread policy of this
sort. Could you enlighten me with some historical references?


Charlie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Eric Y. Zhu)
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:01:42 GMT


echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:

>In article <zhu.713589590@menaik> zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Eric Y. Zhu) writes:
>>
>>Some early-released reports already show that families of 
>>foreign victims of the Nanjing jetliner crash will get much 
>>higher compensations than people who are mainlanders.


>	Where did you get these reports?  Could you provide some
>reference?
United Daily News (Aug 4) reports that each family of Taiwan victims
will get USD40,000, while each mainlander's family will get RMB20,000.
More than 10 times difference. The compensations will be paid by Airline
not insurance company. According to Wang MingSheng, deputy director of
Taiwan office of Jiangsu Province, the differential is due to the actual
difference in the economic situations between mainland and Tai (Taiwan)
Gang(HK) Ao(Macao).

As I interpret, this means because they made more money when they were 
alive, so they worth more when they died.
>	There was this misconception a couple of years ago when a crash 
>occured in Guangzhou (or HongKong).  The difference then was actually that
>all foreigners were *required* to buy expensive insurance before 
		      ^^^^^^^^
According to People's daily(Aug8), only 40 out of 126 passengers
bought life insurances. Among 7 HK and Taiwan passengers, only one 
person from HK bought the insurance, and the insurance company paid
RMB60,000 to her family.

>	It seems that such policy no longer exists.  From what I read in
>People's Daily and CND, only 3 (?) people out of some 47 from Hong Kong
>bought extra insurance.  They of course receive a relative big
>compensation from the insurance company.  Others receive same amount as
>domenstic people do, a very small number in international standard.


>    Eddie

--

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Zhu Yuchen, Edmonton
From: lan@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yan Lan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Still remember the song--3 great disciplines & 8 regulations
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:16:49 GMT
Organization: UB

Subject:Still Remember That Song--3 Great Disciplines & 8 Regulations?
Keywords: The Song and bad memory

I tried very hard to recall that famous song--3 da` ji` lu` 8 xiang`zhu`yi`,
but I found it so surprisingly that I could't remenber all of them even I sang it almost every day when I was a elementary and high school student.

What a bad memory! 

The music, the tone and the rhythm sounds so familiar to me,but the words I can
remember are only as follows:

Ge' min` Jun~ ren ge` ge` yao` nao^ ji` (Every revelutionary soldier must                                               remember)
San~ da` ji`lu` ba~ xiang` zhu` yi`     (3 great disciplines & 8 regulations)

Di`yi~ yi~qie` xing~dong` ting~ zhihui~ (First,follow the directions of 
                                         commander)

Bu`diao` yizhi` cai nen de' sheng`li`   (You can win only with uniformity)

Di`er bu na qunzhong` yi zheng~xian`   (Second,don't take away even one niddle 
                                        and thread of ordinry people)      

Qunzhong` du` wuo yonghu` you xihuan^   (They will love and support us)

Di san ..........................       (Third,???????????????????????????)


San da` jilu tiaotiao' yao ji nao       (The 3 great disciplines must be                                                remembered)
Ba xiang zhuyi qie mo wang ji le        (The 8 regulations must not be forgottn)

Diyi shouhua` taidu` yao heqi`          (First, be polite)

Hu`xiang zun zhong .....???????         (Respect each other)
...............................         (??????????????????)
                                 
                                       (Beating and cursing prisoners of war,
                                       Searching their pockets are not allowed) 
..............................         (??????????????????????????) 
                                         
                                       
.................................      (???????????????????????????)

.................................      (Don't tiaoxi` women, the ugly habits
                                       must be removed)     
                                       ????????????????????????????????????
.................................       ???????????????????????????????????


Who still remember this song? Please help completing it!
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Answer to Sherry Yang's request - 'Wild Swan'
Date: 23 Aug 92 10:31:39 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw106


Yestoday Sherry Yang wrote:

> Could some one in the UK give me some information
  on her now-a-days life ......(approximately)

Therefore:

 Information on the Girl Who Wrote 'Wild Swan':

( Based on newspapers and TV reports in UK)

_________________________________________________

1.  Her book had been on top of the bestseller-list
    for many weeks;

2.  Major newspapers(The Times, The Guardian,etc.) 
    carried long articles describing her book;

3.  Interview with her was shown on BBC-1 several times
    and they said that BBC is going to produce a 
    series-drama based on her book;

4.  She won a 25,000-pound book prize from a famous
    British society related to the publishing industry,
    the money will be spent on the  treatment of her 
    mother's long-time illness, she said;

5.  She is now a lecturer in the University of London,
    married to a British husband and live happily 
    ever since.

(freelance reporter Wang2 Hong2wen2 )
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr)
Subject: Re: Where is Norway?
Organization: gisle@ifi.uio.no
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:53:27 GMT
Originator: gisle@gyda.ifi.uio.no

In article <9222521.5082@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

> It really doesn't matter what Norway is, with its tiny population,
> and arrogant/ignorant/racist residents, it will take only TWO Chinese
> Nuclear bombs to wipe out the entire "civilization".
>
> I guess it would help to find out "where" No-where is before it's
> nuked!
>
> Get a life!  You can't afford to offend China, everyone knows that!

Dear "Joyous Dave baby", is your byline a not-too-subtle hint about
your intellectual age?  In any way, thank you for sharing your
feelings with the net.  I guess we finally have found a match for the
awesome intellectual abilities and cultural insight of mr. Ingar
Holst.  Out in Australia no less.  I guess the theory that everybody
has an identical twin in the antipodes is correct after all.

--
Disclaimer: My employer seldom even LISTENS to my opinion.
 
- gisle hannemyr  (Norsk Regnesentral)
  OSI:   C=no;PRMD=uninett;O=nr;S=Hannemyr;G=Gisle (X.400 SA format)
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From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.132127.6627@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
>In article <92Aug14.173224edt.113@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>
>>1.  We still cannot prove Marco Polo really reached China.  Whatever
>>    he wrote could be just some 3rd hand gossip.
>>
>>2.  If Marco Polo really come to China, he was a high Imperial official,
>>    couldn't care less about the miserable condition of the conquered
>>    people.  He just took all that treasure/salary/loot for granted.
>>
>
>People who have read Marco Polo's book will not say so. What is the point
>of groundless speculation?
>
>Chou1
>

it is not groundless speculation.  There is no Yuan Dynasty records
of such a person.  Historians are arguing about whether Marco Polo
really visited China or not.  


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23398 soc.culture.hongkong:9947 soc.culture.japan:6969 soc.culture.taiwan:12111
From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:50:23 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

news@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:

>>In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>>I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.

>So Chinese people should accept both massacres because two governments
>refuse to apologize.  Remarkable.

>-- T.H. Tse

Mankind will never cease to amaze, that's for sure..
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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: JFK Conspiracy theories
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:34:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Aug13.133421.2764
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


While no one doubts that Oliver Stone's ("Stoned" if you like) movie is biased
and presents a definitely skewed perspective of the events, there is also 
no real doubt that the President's assassination was a conspiracy.  In fact
the only totally implausible hypothesis was put forth by the government--the
lone gunman theory.  Nobody thinks Oswald could possibly have done it--no
experts, no lay people, *nobody.* 

The idea that the forensics experts "blew it" is a very odd statement.  What
did they "blow?"  It seems they did quite well at disfiguring a corpse.  It
seems they obscured any real possibility of confirming what the Zapruder film
shows *obviously* -- that the President was hit from the front.

In other words, no matter what your hypothesis on the conspiracy is, it is at
least *obvious* that there was one.  In other words it is obvious that the 
government was involved in some very serious bald-faced lying to the public
(unusual?), and that our President was murdered under mysterious
circumstances.  Further, nothing Stone said was really implausible.  His only
real detractors are right wingers who can stand the possibility of asking
serious questions about government behavior.  Tsk tsk...
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23323 soc.culture.hongkong:9918 soc.culture.japan:6919 soc.culture.taiwan:12078
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:48:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:

>In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>>....sion of China apolgizing to Japan for the long-ago invasion
>>attempts.  I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.  Please forgive
>>me for these lapses.

>	I think there's some misunderstanding here;
>	IMHO, I don't think Korea or China is asking for the
>	apologies on the WAR itself but the things done during
>	the war; and I don't think I need to spell those.

IMHO, any apology you have to ask for is not worth having. If it's
not forthcoming by itself, best do something else.

   Do you love me? 

   Sure I love you.

   No you don't.

   How do you know?

   Because I had to ask you.

Dave

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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:34:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug20.003413.13408
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <92Aug19.171800edt.56@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu  
(Yuanhui Liu) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.210247.9394@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug19.165741.29568@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
> >writes:
> >> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >> 
> >> >Even though there were conflict and border dispute. It was China who  
caused  
> >the  
> >> >conflict. Vietnam was not so stupid to hit both Cambodia and China at the  
> >same  
> >> >time. So China has no excuse.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Oh, really. Then the Iraq is so stupid to hit US first?
> >> 
> >> >Carl
> >
> >Iraq hit Kuwait first instead of the US. 
> >
> Are you saying Saddam doesn't know the emirate of Kuwait is
> a protectrate of Uncle Sam?
> 
> >Carl
> 

Did Japan know that China was on the same side as US and its allies 50 years  
ago? 

OK, please tell me what is your excuse for China's invading Vietnam and killing  
it's people?

Carl
From: kimj@sneezy.sdsc.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Is There Internet In China?
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Date: 17 Aug 1992 16:18:35 GMT
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sneezy.sdsc.edu
Originator: kimj@sneezy.sdsc.edu

In particular, is there one to any university in the Cheng-Do Province?

Thanks.

-- 

The above opinions were formed by my mother, my school, and TV.
I am not responsible.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (dp)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: RHIC: (Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
	<1992Aug21.184908.22047@cs.brown.edu> <BtCn5H.FKK@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:48:40

>>>>> In article <BtCn5H.FKK@acsu.buffalo.edu>
>>>>> "XiaoFei" == XiaoFei Wang <xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu> writes:

  XiaoFei> Please use 'less people' instead of 'fewer people'. 
  XiaoFei> Use 'less' with something uncountable and 'few' something countable. 
  XiaoFei> e.g. 'Fewer cars, less trafic'. 

Then you should tell those idiots in UN to stop using "Peoples" ;-).

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