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From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CX500..what the hell
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:06:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr7.180639.13678
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit

In article <richardw.702642852@redknee> richardw@spider.co.uk (Richard Whitehead) writes:
>jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Robert Nadzam) writes:
>>... I saw a Honda
>>CX500, 
>> ...they look cool and squidy.
>Ha! As an ex CX500 owner I can promise you that they are neither cool
>nor squidy.
>Known affectionately ... 
> ... as the "Turtle", as in Bulbous Water Animal.
>Cheers, Richard.

I've seen a few posts about this thing, and it reminds me of this bike I
saw yesterday during my "Lordy, winter really *might* be leaving this
time!" ride through lower Ontario.  The thing I saw looked like one of 
those Big Plastic Ninjas with the molded fairing and you can't quite see
the engine but the 1100 written on the side pretty much sez there *is*
one in there.  Anyway, it looked just like one except this one was about
knee high.  And the guy riding it did not look like a kid.  If I didn't
see it myself I'd think it was Seth posting again :-) but I saw it
myself.  Is this what you-all are talking about?  *That* little thing
does 105mph?

-- 
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net," | DoD #1966	
	Matthew 13:47                              | 81 Honda CB400T Hawk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeff@microunity.com (Jeff Kaskey)
Subject: Re: What to call a harley
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:48:08 GMT

In article <s4n77INNgm@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 25610@cs.wayne.edu, pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes:
>>
>>Think about it; would you want your child to grow
>>up in a world where the Harley didn't exist in the wild? 
>
>No, just the people that ride them...   :^)
>
>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite...

<chunk chunk> BLAM! <chunk chunk> BLAM!  <chunk chunk> BLAM!

 
>No, just     peo  e t    ride them...   :^)
>
>---
>Ed G       ormer Nin

Hmmmmmmm...
Ratatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatata

>No, just                                :^)
>
>- -
>Ed  


Better.  Much better.

-jeff "Sportster from Heck"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: FLAME WAR INVITATIONS
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> >that's not an oxymoron :-) on the subject. In other words, about
-> 200K of >collected net postings on the FJ1100 & 12000.
->                                       ^^^^^^
>
=> Sign me up that sounds like a manly sized bike, How many cylinders?

 Just one, of course!  The FJ12000 was produced only on April 1, 1991.
10 inch bore, 10 inch stroke, 12,872cc, sixteen valves per cylinder with
four two-barrel carbs, quad overhead cams, air cooled, chain drive,
gear-reduction starter and three speed transmission.  The FJ12000's
performance is marginal.  The original design did not employ
counterbalancers.  Vibration was always a problem, and six of the bikes
ten inches of suspension travel was taken up just absorbing engine
vibration.  Yamaha test rider Hirohito Shozaki was ejected from his
machine when it backfired at Suzuka and was never found.  Yamaha added a
300 pound concrete weight below the engine to "tune the machine's
resonant mass"; all production machines came with the weight.
Unfortunately, the bike's performance is unspectacular at 700 pounds
(less fuel).

 Of the six machines produced, two were kept for Yamaha's museum, two
were sold in Japan to potential suicides, and two were sold in the US.
One of the US ones is in Houston TX, a major attraction at Wild Bill's
Buck-O-Rama; the whereabouts of the last machine is unknown.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: CHAIN VS BELT VS SHAF
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> Got any idea what the cross-sectional area of these belts were?  I'd
-> be willin' to bet that they were pretty *large*, even if they were to
-> be thrown away after only a few races.

 They were using two to three inch belts.  A bit cumbersome, but that
was 1970s technology.

-> be a force to cross-sectional-area upper-limit defined by present
-> technology, there'll need to be some kind of design margin for the
-> sake of reliability; at least from the standpoint of competing with

 Modern (late '80s) belts use steel and Kevlar tension strands with
absolute breaking points as high as or higher than equivalent chains.
Tooth designs have been improved so stripping is not a problem.  There
has been a lot of development work on Gilmer belts; the problem is
little of it has filtered down to motorcycles.

 Power-handling capability of a belt is pretty well defined by the
smallest sprocket it will run on.  The smaller the sprocket, the less
power the belt will handle.  Most motorcycle engines are set up with
very small drive sprockets, and though it is possible to fit a belt
sprocket in there, the size limits the power the belt can handle.  This
isn't really a problem, given the average design cycle of a bike engine
is only a few years, but the real problem is probably money.  Chains are
cheap to make and can use cheap stamped or broached sprockets, and the
larger bike manufacturers have their own captive chain manufacturers.
*Your* cost on a replacement chain is considerably higher, but that's no
skin off the OEM's posterior.  From a production standpoint the belts
are more expensive.

 Chains also have The Rituals.  You know... the Oiling the Chain ritual,
the Cleaning the Rear Wheel ritual, the Degreaser On Your Dress Pants
ritual, the Chain Adjustment Without A Centerstand ritual, the Yearly
New Chain ritual, the Mystery Of The Endless Chain ritual, and others.

 Belts... belts are boring.  No oiling, no master links, rare
adjustments, no slimy mess...
                                                           
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Lester Wheels/tubeless tires
Keywords: tires, wheels, bmw
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:51:07 GMT

psmith@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (paul.m.smith) writes:
>[Is tubless safe on a rim not marked "tubeless?]

>  I'm sure that
>the rim is not too porous, but is there a difference in the bead area?

Yes, the bead area is different. Tubeless rims seat up much tighter than
tube type. My '78 GS1000E came with tube-type cast wheels that cannot be
used tubeless. I'd be inclined to play it safe and stick with a tube.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: How does a dyno work?
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:40:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.154426.29020@u.washington.edu> 
moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley) writes:
>So how do you determine torque, and for us non-physiscist, non-engineer
>types who barely got through high school physics, how is torque related to
>horsepower?

I'll give this a try, but it's been a long time since I diddled with some
of these concepts...

Keeping things *real* simple (not counting drag/friction/whatever losses),

	the translational case:
Power  =  Mass * Acceleration * Velocity
Force  =  Mass * Acceleration
Power  =  Force * Velocity

	the rotational case:
Power  =  MomentOfInertia * AngularAcceleration * RotationalVelocity
Torque =  MomentOfInertia * AngularAcceleration
Power  =  Torque * RotationalVelocity

Well, I hope I'm right about the "moment of inertia".  If I'm not,
I'm *sure* y'all will let me know! :-)

Steve Garnier - 1979 Yamaha XS1100SF Special with 156,000 miles and *climbing*
DoD #00000005 - KotF (The Daemon's Byte and Keeper of the Flame), NC Chapter
steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu       "Ineluctably Prolix" - John Norman Sims, Jr.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 18:16:45 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Distribution: world,local

I have a Suzuki Savage (650cc single) with a belt drive.  I LOVE the
belt.  8000 miles, no adjustment.  The problem is, it is SO quite and
trouble free that I have to be ever vigilant to check it periodically. 
I'm getting rid of the Savage soon.  The main thing I am NOT looking
forward to in a new bike is another %#$$@@*! chain!  I've had lots-- on
two stroke dirt bikes, Brit twins, UJMs--AND I HATE THEM!

Peter
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 14:57:57 EST
From: Mike Mychalkiw <ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: AMA address.

Netters,

I have finally gotten the sacred approval from the KoTL for my DoD number.
Number 665 is mine all mine.

Well on to the reason for this post. Can someone please post the AMA's address?
Thanks alot, especially to the KoTL.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing
From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Subject: Re: Helmet Reccomendations
Reply-To: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 18:13:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.184025.15241@sfc.sony.com> darin@sfc.sony.com (Darin Fong) writes:
> It's about time to replace the old helmet.  I am looking specifically
> at the Shoei X-8, the Arai Signet, or the Arai Quantum/r.  The prices
> seem to be about the same.  Has anyone had any good/bad experiences
> with any of these helmets?
> 

I purchased an AGV Thema last fall and have been happy with it.  Recently
I returned the helmet to the dealer because the weatherseal had failed 
on one side.  AGV replaced the entire helmet for me.  Not bad service.

The fit is snug and even.  The noise level is pretty good but with a
low level squeak from air leaking in the shield (you can't feel it, just
hear it).  If you wear ear plugs the noise is not perceptable.

The fit and finish were very good.  No flaws that I could find.  Also the
sheild can be replaced with no tools in about 2 minutes.

My recollection is that the helmet cost 269 or thereabouts.  Since my
previous helmet cost under 200 I was somewhat shocked at the price, but
then the last helmet was purchased in 87, was not Snell approved, and
was being discounted.  The Thema is a new model with high tech materials,
is very light, is Snell approved and was not discounted.

I still like my old System II since I wear glasses.  But it was time
for a new lid and the AGV was there.  With luck the System IV will
be around when the AGV is ready for retirement.

General advice: My observation is that motorcyclists wearing white
helmets are more visible and are visible farther than motorcyclists
with darker or colored helmets.  The AGV is white with red/blue graphics.
Stick with white.




-- 
Gary Wasserman      "A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes"
Interleaf, Inc.      Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154
grw@ileaf.com        617-290-4990x3423 FAX 617-290-4970       DoD#0216
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:16:27 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: motorcycle from "Black Rain"

Howdy,
eugene@uts.EDU.AU (R Rosen) writes:
> What bike does Michael Douglas ride in "Black Rain" ?

I'm pretty sure that it's an HD Sportster, with a fair number of mods.
Beyond that, I don't really know.  I suppose it's possible that they
actually used an XRCR (or whatever the Cafe Racer version was called),
but I seem to remember hearing that they didn't.

In any event, it's definately a cool bike.  Too bad the rest of the
movie sucked.

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		DoD #813	|
| ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu		AMA/CCS AM #811		AMA #700560	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '78 KM100 (commute-in-snow)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, exhaust, etc...  |
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RE: WHAT TO CALL A HA
Keywords: What's a Rotax
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:32:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: wrgate.9454
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <3263.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>->      Rotax is alive and well.  Are they American?
>
> Jeez, I dunno.  Old CanAm and Penton dirt bikes used Rotax engines.
>I don't remember if the Rotax engines were Canadian or German.  Anyone
>go back that far?
>                                            
   Rotax is *AUSTRIAN*.  The motors are used in a wide variety of race
and off-road bikes including:
1.  Aprilia 250 GP roadracers
2.  Wood-Rotax flat-track and TT racers
3.  Harley-Rotax   "       "    "
4.  Harley-Davidson Military models (yes, they are currently available)
5.  ATK giant thumper dirt bikes (604 cc)

and lots more.
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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|                                 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: money1@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Neal Joseph Thurman)
Subject: Re: testing IGRNORE !!!
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:35:31 GMT

In article <rsduiINNlrg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>I think it's high time motorcycle manufacturers started offering leg
>protectors as options on motorcycles imported into this country.  The
>only way we can avoid punative legislation in the long run is for the
>motorcycling community to police ourselves.  Voluntary use of such
>proven safety equipment can provide a strong argument for countering
>restrictive laws.
>
Ed, I'm afraid that recent criticism in rec.moto has caused you to go soft.
You are entirely correct, of course, but why stop with just leg protectors?
	I think that, in addition to leg protectors, we should all:
			Wear helmets
			Wear full leathers w/hard armour
			Wear boots    
	We should also:
		Restrict ourselves to mopeds for the first 2 years of riding.
		Agree to stop purchasing sportbikes.
		Not purchase any motorcycles over 400cc.
		
	This is, naturally, the first phase of the plan.  Eventually, we will
all agree to trailer our CB125s to large parking lots for all our riding - 
which will take place at MSF sponsored events.

	Implementing this simple plan will go a long way towards positive 
relations with both the government and the public.

Mike Fennell

>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
>  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
>DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
> (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Question on Harley Extended Warranty
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:00:29 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 11742@advansoft.com, eparker@advansoft.com (Eric Parker) writes:
>My local friendly Harley dealer wants me to buy an extended
>warranty for my bike. He claims I have to do it before the
>original warranty expires. 

[paraphrasing long lost advise from r.m]

What is an extended warranty?  A wager between two parties.  Look at
what each party bring to the table:

The manufacturer, with all his collective experience, design specs,
intimate knowledge of assembly techniques, tolerences, quality control,
etc., is betting that the machine will not fail, in any manner
specified in the warranty, during the warranty period, which will cost
more than the price of the warranty to repair.  (note who writes up the
terms of the warranty)

You, with no knowledge of the machine, have only a vague fear that the
bike will catastrophically break down during the warranty period, and
that repair of such failure will cost far more than the price of the
warranty.  On what do you base this opinion?  Are you intentionally
buying what you consider to be junk?

Motorcycles, computers, and Zippo lighters are all manufactured using
statistical sampling techniques for quality control.  The normal
warranty that comes with each is an admission of the fact that it is
entirely possible (eventually, inevitable) that an individual product
will not live up to the quality of the group.  It allows the
manufacturer to catch the odd substandard product and bring it up to
his standards of quality, without having to exhaustively test each step
of each product throughout its manufacture.  Once a motorcycle makes it
through the initial warranty period (whether it required service under
that warranty or not), the manufacturer knows that it is "up to snuff,"
ie, conforms to his specs, quality, etc.  At this point, he *knows* how
long the bike will last.  An *extended* warranty is not a safety net
for the manufacturer, it is a chance to make money, by making a wager
with the customer concerning the performance of the product... *his*
product.  He knows it better than you.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Help, it wouln't start!
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 21:10:46 GMT

In article <kevin.17@varian.com> kevin@varian.com (Kevin D. Myers) writes:
>>>440 LTD is hard to start.  I have press the start button for at least 3-4 

>	i have the same problem on my LTD440. You need to develop some 
>procedures for it.
>Usually i would give it a couple of crank, w/o choke. Then i turn the choke 
>full on and crank for about 3 sec, if not starting i give it a couple 
>minutes break, to cool the starter and crank again. Usually it will take 
>before the 3rd try. Also in the winter, i set the choke to 1/2 full only.

1/2 choke in cold weather?  That seems rather counter-logical.

When Gleep is very cold (say, 35-45F, very cold by my standards),
unless the battery is fresh off the charger, I generally give him
full choke, 1/2 throttle, and 2 or 3 kicks with the ignition off,
then use the electric start, full choke, throttle cracked.  When
the air is cold (and therefore more dense) and the bike is cranking slowly,
you're more likely to need full choke than when the temperature is moderate
or the carbs/manifold are warm.  Trust me.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  - "Worth the Obsession"
DoD #094        "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing
From: tbb@sumac02.cray.com (Todd Blachowiak)
Subject: Re: Helmet Reccomendations
Originator: tbb@sumac02
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:59:31 CDT


In article JPT107@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>     There is a guy here in Erie PA that I have seen riding around on a harley,
> his helmet is fur coated and has large deer antlers on it!
> Now, HE gets noticed!!!

 By whom, deer hunters:-(

-- 
Take care,
Todd Blachowiak
"Anybody who does things with a motorcycle that I don't do is a SQUID,
anybody who doesn't do the things I do is inexperienced"
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:12953 rec.bicycles:9259
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 04:53:05 EST
From: victor sue <ACPS7223@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Light HELP!
 <1992Apr2.014738.26421@news.eng.convex.com> <1992Apr2.024840.6041@src.umd.edu>
 <BM8v09.FFq@world.std.com>

For Thomas Grant Edwards;

I've been using a BLT light setup for the past year and have found it to
be quite satisfactory.  I've replaced the 'low beam' on it to a standard
5.5v Halogen.  Since the BLT didn't come with a rear light, I wired up my
own using a combination of a standard blinking red LED hooked up in tandem
to a high-intensity LED - all inserted into a standard rear light reflector
type casing.  The power for the rear comes from the BLT's battery.  So for
a few bucks I've now got myself a high-intensity flashing rear light (a la
Vista light).  The entire lighting system (both fronts on) will go for
about 2 hours, or twice that if I only turn on one of them.  This is enough
to be seen by, OR to blaze your own trails through the bush at night.
Don't know if the BLT's are available outside of Canada (perhaps under a
different name), but I'm sure I've seen them advertised in MTB mags...
The front of my bike looks something like this:

     ###============###      :)
     =-'  /^^/^^  '-=
          __/__/

 o\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/o
 o Victor Sue ---> acps7223@ryerson.ca ---> Toronto, Canada, eh!  o
 o "The Important Thing is Not to Stop Questioning"- A. Einstein  o
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