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From: DOBENSON@ua1vm.ua.edu (Joe Demon)
Subject: re: study yer vedas (even more;)
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:35:48 GMT

In article <FNORD-L%92100211425265@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Rich=Gautier%SETA%DRC@S1.DRC.COM writes:
 
>"It's a Myth!", he cried unknowingly.
>The hand within removed him.
>He is no more, and cannot call out.
>Physical Evidence aside, the Myth remains.
 
  Not so. If I manage to kill all you sons-a-bitches, the myth dies,
cause without physical evidence, the myth got no mouthpiece.
 
Therefore M-PE=0 .
 
hi-ho
 
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From:         "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      No, MM, you have got it wrong

Over here you have got 80% of the people who come from Inferior neighborhoods,
go to Inferior schools (where the schools are not actual human rights
violations), the content of the education imparted therein is that those who
go to said school are Inferior. This prepares them either for no jobs at all,
which is said to be their fault because they are so Inferior no jobs existed,
or for jobs where they can get threatened with, "We do not pay you to think!"

It follows logically from this, not formal logic but the kind of logic used in
the society that exists (so that Shrinks can make money by telling you if you
believe society does not exist you will be Successful in society and get paid
in women), that whatever is going on in the heads of people not paid to think
is not thinking.

10% are prepared for jobs where there is a polite fiction that they are paid
to think. What is actually so is, whatever goes on in their heads if anything
is what is defined as thinking.

10% have a fighting chance, fighting among themselves that is, to get into the
second group; most sink into the first.

Smart is a magical attribute of the second group; Stupid is the evil magic by
which the first is accursed. I have been Smart, then they took away my licence
to operate a mind, now I am Stupid; and believe me, Smart is nicer. The
difference is, I write better and read more books, which is called Doing
Nothing.

Daniel A. Foss,
who thanks MM <mbm@PASCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU> for saying no more about abortion, etc
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:50:18 EDT
From:         "(MM)" <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Choirs of hungry chumps

fell heavily against the grass parlors,
and when mother picked up her skirts,
the daughter went farther
with the young officer,
home for the last home game
of the year. Times at the Gap
when time stood still
when she couldn't make
up her mind.
Christmas is coming
with all of that shining
television beauty,
Canadian Club, those cherished songs and smells,
and the spontaneous sex in the malls.

I can hardly wait to believe in the tinsel genitals of the bright milky darling.

I can hardly believe I am going to be saved in time for the

electric chair which doubles as obstetric table

in the stakes, Charlie, if you

would only listen.



LAST GASP
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From:         "(MM)" <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      jump on it

Faster when you climb that ladder

spend more time up-loading your gunshy

blaster, capped and strangled

woefully. The ribbon

was a teste

unspooled.

The climax of our home sweet home

happened in a bomb shelter.

That is all ye know and all ye need to know.


Wellbutrin
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:12:49 EDT
From:         LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      ABORTION

Hey, Rich, sweetcakes- look out yer window.  Do you see any desert
fauna?  Embittered Palestinians?  Crusader castles?  No?  Know why?
That's right- we ain't Hebrews?  Hell, most of us ain't even Jews!
You've committed a non sequiter!
Gotta admit though, I ain't never heard that one about how the soul
can't git into the fetus cuzza some kinda aura... hell, me, I thing
all you people are crazy.  I'm the only sane one left.  I'm the only
sane one left, cuz I'm the only one who really understands the
teachings of Sri Tim.  Fever has set me free!  From the bottom of my
distended bowels... thank you, Yarker, old sock!  Thank you!
Willy the Shake
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Foss, you Sold Out (tm) just by telling menfolk to shut up, you know that.
Yer *In the loop*, get me?

MM: you are found GUILTY of Thinkin' Thinkin' Thinkin', to wit:
>8)Again, all of this is so obvious to anyone who thinks that it is not often
>talked about--why state the obvious as I do here? Because people don't

>encourage caring about issues. Your thought is less valid if a better and
>more experienced thinker can see at once how poorly you chose your comparison,

MM and some others treat thinkin' and logic like they were an everlovin'
interstate, takes you where yer goin', instead of like a field full o'
potholes.

Now if i may get *On the list* for a minute:
What does E-Prime tell us about this important controversy, the volatile
subject of abortion?  (patience, here, I'm a novice)

One of the central moral issues may be formulated thusly:
Abortion is murder.
In E-Prime we might say, instead:
In my current (1992) set of moral beliefs, abortion fits the traditional
description of murder.
-------------------
Let's take another:
A fetus is a human being.
In E-Prime:
I define the set of all human beings to include fetuses.
--------------------
How about:
Abortion should be outlawed, because abortion is murder.
E-Prime:
I feel that the Congress should make abortion illegal, because
in my current (1992) set of moral beliefs, abortion fits the traditional
description of murder, and our laws prohibit murder.
(Actually that "should", uh, should be removed.)
---------
If you really wanted to press this last one, you could try to put the following
in E-Prime: Laws should be enacted in accordance with my moral beliefs.
But I'm not up to it.  Go ahead.  Do it yerself.
Remember, no forms of the verb "be", and no passive constructions.
Not as easy as it looks, huh?   Haw!  Don't cheat!  Hyuk!

Let's pompous,
alp
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:29:53 GMT

In article <FNORD-L%92092918505715@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> "Charles J. Adams" <CA7471@BROCK1P.BITNET> writes:
>Cool deal...  Hope you get your vt fixed sometime soon.
>
>As for the FCC, let's hope we don't hear from them anytime soon.  Last show, we
>basically broke every rule.  Lets see, there's the fact that we covered the
>seven dirty words (shitpisscuntfuckcocksuckermotherfuckertits) in great detail
>and probably invented some new ones.  But that's not the issue; what is is that
>we were on the air DRUNK--a definite no-no.  And then we told the FCC to fuck
>itself to their faces.  Real nice stuff.  Gotta admit, it was the _most_ fun
>I've had in a LOOOOooooong time.  GOTTA send you some tapes!
>(Forgot your snailmail address AGAIN.  Send it to me.)
>
>And as for the e-mail game, get back to me with a char and background soon.  I
>think I'll make it a somewhat authentic medieval world, but with lots of the
>fantasy touches, without getting too D&D-ish.  Magic, a definite yes, but
>basically only myth to common folks, and feared by all.  (Sort of a Terry
>Brooks approach with the magic being a rather insidious means to serve its own
>ends...)
>
>Back to the show, this pirate stuff is LOTSA fun.  'Specially when you know
>that you're going to _own_ the station next year!


This is, hands down, the only thing close to a new way of thinking that
FNORD-L has seen since majcher last posted [sic].  I mean, it's even
LOTSA fun.  Hey, Daniel, this gives me an idea, consummate with folly:
a radio station that isn't afraid to admit its love of the savior.

Send apps to KILR, which, I fear, may have lost its chief exec: and, 
until Cube and provo get together to cut a recording of "Baby, It's 
Cold Outside", Make Mine Marvel (I always wanted to say that (oops ('Nuff
said))).

I'm not a player, but I act like one on tv,
m
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>But that's not the issue; what is is that
>we were on the air DRUNK--a definite no-no.
actually, this is false. station policy dictates the state of the operators.
there is nothing on my liscence[sic] regarding sobriety....

joe, just pushin' those pins...
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:17:50 EDT
From:         "(MM)" <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      abortion

Glenn, That may be the legality of it, but that's not an airtight logical
case. However, to play the devil's advocate would require me to ape, to a
degree, and repeat arguments grown tedious. Briefly, law is often an extension
of morality, and an opinion on abortion does not have to be involved in any
way with a religious view. Personal and religious are not the same. In fact,
in logical terms (not the best or most helpful, I'll grant), the reason an
anti-abortion law won't and shouldn't become law is because there is no uni-
versal consensus. If there were, the law would seem quite natural. But I see
I have shed no light, merely revealed my lack of sleep. MM
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:08:00 EDT
From:         LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Let's abortion

For cogent scriptural analysis, you can't beat

Q:>3. What if <<gasp!>> God is the bad guy? (Hell, many of us have biological
  >fathers that were jerks, maybe our Heavenly Father is, too....)
  >
A:>3. Don't think God is the bad guy.

Oh, do bring all yer books to class today to back that up for us, Rich=Gautier.
Keep tinkin' dem good tots.

Scott/Lesser/Quasar: If god is dad/jerk normally, just imagine what he's
like on family vacations.  And when He returns to Earth, He will say:
"Hey, were you messing with this?  It wasn't like that before."

But rilly (I'm one of them, see), patriarchal jerk/dad should be no surprise
to a lot of folks.  Patriarchy, patriarchy . . . He goddam maddog, eh?

one of us,
alp

Zl ohtgenc vf lbhe ohtgenc.
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From:         "Glenn C. Lasher" <GL8574@BROCK1P.BITNET>
Subject:      Abortion logic

Logic?!?  On the abortion issue?!?  I don't think that any such
thing is possible, and it is necessary to fall back on the laws of
the country in question (also usually lacking logic, but espousing
the beliefs of those who wrote them), and since the bulk of the
subscribers to this list are probably from the US, let's consider
what the first ammendment to the Constitution says:

    "Congress shall make NO LAW RESPECTING an ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION
    or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom
    of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to
    assemble to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

It would seem to me that either side of the abortion issue is taken
by a given person due to that person's personal and RELIGIOUS
beliefs, and that since the two cannot be sorted out from one
another without injecting your OWN personal and RELIGIOUS beliefs
into it, any law that is established respecting abortion (either
condoning or condemning) is a law respecting an establishment of
religion, and therefore cannot be established legally in the United
States.  Mind you, this has not stopped unconstitutional laws from
being established in the past, but this *is* the legality of it.

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From:         "(MM)" <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      alive

Glenn, certainly, certainly, but an unborn fetus is _alive_; what can you
mean? Don't you mean that it's not yet human? Theologically, it is a per-
plexity, for there is nowhere along the continuum of development where one
could say--here it attains spirit, and is not longer "just" flesh. Therefore
only one position is left, which is that the life is consecrated, "with
spirit" right from the beginning, from the instant of conception, even though
the development is still the genes work to come. At the instant of conception
if I remember my biology from 50 years ago, the creature is blueprint; thus
in some sense the whole person, by a relatively uncomplicated extrapolation,
has made an entrance of a kind into the world. The choices, the labels, are
the product of hypocrisies and corruptions, though the Left is sometimes
arrogant in thinking that only fools disagree with them, as they are in
thinking that Jerry Falwell, et al, are the highest present forms of Christian
life. To me, the moral monstrosity is to wax holy over the fetus, while, for
one example here in PHiladelphia, over a hundred and fifty thousand kids,
minimum, under six years of age, are lead-poisoned as of this moment; that is
to say, have already suffered some permanent damage to brain and central
nervous system, and neither city nor state nor federal "authorities" can
come up with the funds for a serious effort to save the kids from the poison.
If you're young, black, and in the city, I guess you're not as precious as
that precious little fetus of a growing white child. But there's an answser
to that too. Not everyone can work on every issue. You can't fault people
for concentrating on whatever wrong they believe is happening and which
especially concerns them. But tell me, how did fnord turn into belief-l?
I'm obviously a big part of the problem here, but wearily I suggest that
anyone who wishes to pursue this further move on over to belief-l, where
at least from 9-5, there is no end to such debates. I've got no more than
one of a number of already expressed views, which did not merit the space
it has already taken up. My apologies. MM
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From:         "The Late Dr. Gelson V. Gomes" <T230446@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: expect nothing
              28 Sep 1992 22:39:11 EDT from <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>

I must agree with you, MM.  Now let me state, for the record, that
I do NOT apologize for my " flagrant breach of network etiquette "--
I'm quite proud of it, actually!  I only wish more capitalists out there
had the gonads to demand money for their valuable skills.  Who needs
this pansy non-profit set up anyway?  Think about it.  Who's profiting
from a non-Prophet status?  Not me!  I was martyred in front of you
and you turned your heads!  I'm writing to you from prison now for
abusing the Internet.  Please send contributions to my ally and yours:

Gregor Patterson  <T230446@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Educational Technology Center
University of South Carolina
Columbia, SC 29208

Sincerely,

Dr. Gelson V. Gomes, enemy of the people
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Summary: what shiny teeth you have
Originator: cheading@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:41:39 GMT

>I quote "They".
>CHEATING quotes "They".
>I'm at Emory.
>CHEATING came to Emory.
>"They" come to Emory.
>"They" are here now.
>I'm going to where "They" are.
>CHEATING has to work, possibly.
>Bill has to work.
>"They" have to work.
>I don't have to work.
>I don't have to pay, either.
>Strange isn't it?

THIS is *EXACTLY* what I'm talking about, Laughing Boy.  Not nice,
not nice at all.  Keep in mind that, I only quote "They" because
I like to believe I'm on to you, bucko.  As soon as I'm off work,
I'm gonna come down there and, assuming I remember enough money
to pay to get in -- what am I saying? I'll jump the turnstile! Ha!
Then what will you do?  Better start drawing *NOW*.

Actually, libalp, I was wondering, y'know, seeing as how the 
convention is just next month, and, well, knowing how expensive
hotels are, and I know you know (hooooo boy!), well, I was y'know
just thinking that maybe I could just maybe stay at your place,
y'know, I mean, I won't take up much room, and I won't violate yr
curfew, and I promise not to have any nubiles unless I score and
maybe we'll even see RAW!!!, y'think?, and I'll spring for beer,
and you and me and Bill can stay up real late boasting about our
hunting prowess, and you could bring your guitar, and I could bring
my bass, and Bill could, well, do whatever it is Bill does, and a
raucous merriment could be had by all.

Oh, by the way, I need to stay through Christmas.  If that's not a
problem.

yr frend in need, cheating-of-the-baskervilles
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From:         "(MM)" <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      abortion

To conclude: best test case: pro-choice, anti-abortion. No man, or person,
can judge, say, what is best for a woman, for instance, who is abused by
a man (who will hunt her down and kill her if she leaves), who has punched
her in the stomach when she was pregnant, what is best, I say, for this
woman if this man rapes her to impregnate her to make it less likely that
she can leave, etc. etc. etc. Invent your own stories, but obviously it is
not a simple matter.

To conclude: If the goal is to prevent abortion--I speak to "pro-life," then
what wil ACTUALLY help, if these people wish to put their money where their
mouths are, is a society in which

1) All corporations have free day care.

2) All corporations have family leave, at at least half pay

3) All universities provide free day care

4) The stigma is lifted from unmarried mothers  (The conservatives enforcing
of this stigma alone results in thousands of abortions a year)

5) Woman in college is considered either immoral or a fool if she gets pregnant.
If society were not structured to make it HARD FOR WOMEN WITH CHILDREN TO
SURVIVE, then this bullshit attitude could be dropped.

6) Too many of the people who self-righteously condemn abortion are complicitous
in government policies which lead, indirectly, to a large percentage of the
abortions which are performed.

7) The pro-life movement has not yet come even close to demonstrating that
the fostering of life is their goal. Above poicies are not their cup of tea,
because THEY INSIST ON IMPOSING THEIR OWN SEXUAL MORALITY, and employ
abortion in a disingenuous manner as an issue to help enforce a ban on sex
outside marriage.

8)Again, all of this is so obvious to anyone who thinks that it is not often
talked about--why state the obvious as I do here? Because people don't
continually state the obvious (I'm compulsive, but that's different), doesn't
mean they don't care about issues.

And Bush is a gut-sick harpy with a face like a dry paper bag, and a wheedle
hell times worse than any whore that ever spoke. If he wins, I will shut
down the government with my mind.
MM
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:19:42 EDT
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Subject:      YARKER GIMME THE FLU

He done it deliberate, slipping mutagenic DNA into my Vodka during a
missile tes... er, sock hop last week.  As to his motivation- I suspect
that it has something to do with his overly-literal, heavy-handed
interpretation of the Word of Tim, and my own recent conversion to th
Reform Cult, which accepts Rot-13 reconfigurations of dogma and insists
that Tim's central message is that we should all refer to one another
as "Lionel".  His vindictive pogram backfired though:  he's at work
sorting attack cod... er, overdue notices, and I'm home listening to
Buddy Guy albums and only throwing up occasionally.  I've trained myself
for this sort of thing; I actually enjoy a bit of fever from time to
time.  The Big Lobotomy Doctors are on the way, Parker.  Don't eat
anything for an hour or so, okay?
Screamin' Willy                          s
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From:         jprovo@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU
Subject: re: Entrance requirements (minimum SAT score) for a theism

Sorry, but your subscription to my name service has expired.

You are therefore guilty of illegally using my name, and will be fined
a century in addition to the decade of interest you still owe on the
*last* time you did this; we waive the penalty of 5 yards and you get
to retain possession of the reality.

If you would like to re-subscribe, prompt payment of past debts, as well
as a sizable downpayment in startling new physics equations, will be
required.

Thank you for doing business with me and not a Banker,

Joe Provo [Ltd]
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