HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Subject: postmodern bungee
Reply-To: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:08:26 EST

Perfect...

Got no future, got no past...

Thx for the insight.
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From: mahesh@cis.ksu.edu (Mahesh Bommareddy)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: where to go Bungee Jumping?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:30:34 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu

I never tried Bungee Jumping. I would like to know the list of places
where I can go and try in the U.S. Could someone please help me. Also, I
would like to know the guidelines for the first timer.

Thanks in Advance.

-Mahesh
mahesh@cis.ksu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: France
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:59:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.133228.25205@alex.com> helen@alex.com (Helen) writes:
>Apparently, France is the only European country where bungee jumping is
actually
>legal, hence the number of holidays from the UK that offer this.
>
>However for anybody reading this in England, if you go to just outside Chawton
in
>Hampshire you can  jump from there.
>Happy landings.
>
>Helen O'Hanlon                Alex Technologies
>Helen@ alex.com               CP House   
>                              97-107 Uxbridge Road
>                              London  W5 5TL
>




Bungee Jumping in England is legal and regulated by an association called
BERSA (BRITISH ELASTICS ROPE STANDARDS ASSOCIATION). To date they have the 
best set of regulations in place and was the best example to which regulations
where written here in Ontario. 

As to jumping in France, AJ Hackett opperates outside Paris off of old pillars
that remain from a train bridge. Although AJ Hackett was one of
the first to opperate bungee jumping to the public he still does not opperate
with any redundacy in his system, although in Frances jumpers
are required to have two harnesses attached to them.

Have fun!  My first jump was with Hackett in New Zealand and I've since jumped
over 200 times but I'll always remember the first.
From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: IRONMAN on gun purchase
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:27:15 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

You probably know what I am gonna reccommend,
    
    BUD ORR AUTO-COCKER.  I am going to once again state why it is the
most ruthless machine out there.  Be advised that my team is fully
sponsored by Bud Orr.  One other note is that at the beginning of last
year as the World Champs we had our choice of sponsors and we chose Bud
hands down for the same reasons I am going to give about his products.

PRO's:
    *firing rate is as fast as gravity can drop the ball
    *no feed tube interfering with sighting
    *one of the toughest guns in existence
    *everything is fully guranteed by Bud
    *closed bolt firing system that is proven more accurate than open bolt
    *straight through field cleaning instantly
    *fires better in more temperature zones than any other
    *plenty of after market product for customization

CON's:
    *heavy
    *liquid must be kept out of the gun
    *you should have good knowledge of airguns to work on it
    *This years champs used Automags
    *high cost

    My opinion of the gun is that it is the flatest shooting semi out
there.  There is something about a closed bolt system, that only Bud and
Palmer uses, that gives the ball just a little more weight.  When I play
in tourny's against teams with open bolt guns like Automags and
especially Illustrators they can reach me fine but they just don't break
as often.  Also I notice that the firing pattern of these guns is cone
like where the Autococker fires more of a rope of paint.  The only gun
that can even touch its rate of fire is the Automag.  Your decision as
far as semi's go should be just between these two guns.  You should seek
out people with both and actually play with each if possible before
making a decision.  Remember that all semi's at this point do take
maintence and will require you to know about how they work.  As with any
gun it will probably take at least two or three days of play to get
either gun down to where you are totally comfortable with it.  As far as
these new guns like the Stingray I wouldn't even touch it until it has
been out for year and has proven itself, you dont want to be a ginea pig
for the company.  Both the Auto cocker and the Automag took about 5-7
major revisions before they were even tournament acceptable.  
    If you decide on the Autococker and you got the bucks I would order
the new MINI-COCKER directly from Worr Game Prod. in Bellflower Ca. It
is Bud's new machine and each one is hand built and is even smaller and
lighter than the full size version.  It is mandatory bottom line or
remote because of a new air routing system but those are the best ways
to run air anyway.  The gun goes for about $500.00 and is worth every
penny.  Our entire team is getting them next month .

            Zander of the IRONMEN
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: LASER-TAG
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:14:48 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Nov8.142303.60501@cc.usu.edu> slgsn@cc.usu.edu writes:
>HEY, DUDES! I WANT TO KNOW WHERE TO GET LASER-TAG WEAPONS HERE AT UTAH STATE
>FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS. WE WANT TO PLAY HERE ON CAMPUS ON THE WEEKENDS. I NEED
>THE WEAPONS, AHORA! THERE NOT AT THE MALL, SO WHERE DO I GO? HELP ME!

Try reading alt.sport.lasertag.  If it doesn't appear on your netnews software
then ask your administrator to add it in.

Worlds of Wonder's Laser Tag has been out of production for quite a number
of years.  Closest thing to the old lasertag equipment is Hasbro's Survivor
Shot.  You'll find Survivor Shot in Toys-R-Us and K-Mart.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: sl1t4@cc.usu.edu (CORKY)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: LASER-TAG
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:23:17 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Nov8.142303.60501@cc.usu.edu>, slgsn@cc.usu.edu writes:
> HEY, DUDES! I WANT TO KNOW WHERE TO GET LASER-TAG WEAPONS HERE AT UTAH STATE
> FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS. WE WANT TO PLAY HERE ON CAMPUS ON THE WEEKENDS. I NEED
> THE WEAPONS, AHORA! THERE NOT AT THE MALL, SO WHERE DO I GO? HELP ME!
-- 


NOPE!!!!!!  But if you're interested in trying paintball, mail me.  I'm at USU
also.  Granted it's too cold now, but this summer, we'll be going again. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cory R. Emmertson (sl1t4@cc.usu.edu)     In spray and pray...I have no faith!!
Captain Team Maelstrom			 IPPA #4743
Faithful Sniper II user!!!               NAPRA---eventually                   
(Bud Orr is my hero!!)
					
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: nv91-ran@hemul.nada.kth.se (Roger Andersson)
Subject: Sterling for sale (in Sweden)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: alt.sport.paintball
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:04:53 GMT

A Sterling silver with 7oz siphon tank, 140 balls Indian springsmag with 
cover, muzzlebreak and 1500 paintballs.
Price: 3000 sek (2200 for the Sterling separately)
--
*************************************************************** 
*Roger Andersson           *Und also sprach das alte Weiblein:*
*University of Stockholm   *Du gehst zu Frauen?               *
*alias:                    *Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!       *
*nv91-ran@nada.kth.se      *                        /Nietzsche*               
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*Yappie: Young Ambitious Pervert                              *
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: t91erimo@odalix.ida.liu.se (Erik Moe)
Subject: Prices in LONDON?
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:10:32 GMT

A friend is going to London at this weekend (92-11-7), so I am considering
to buy a paintball weapon. If anyone know the prices for these
weapons please EMail me.

Trracer
Phantom
Sterling Bronze
Sterling STP
Apex Elite

If you know any good places where these weapons can be bought
please let me know...

Please Hurry!!!


          t91erimo@und.ida.liu.se
From: slgsn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: LASER-TAG
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:23:03 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

HEY, DUDES! I WANT TO KNOW WHERE TO GET LASER-TAG WEAPONS HERE AT UTAH STATE
FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS. WE WANT TO PLAY HERE ON CAMPUS ON THE WEEKENDS. I NEED
THE WEAPONS, AHORA! THERE NOT AT THE MALL, SO WHERE DO I GO? HELP ME!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: bcetnar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Blake Cetnar)
Subject: Re: Cleveland
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:54:26 GMT

In article <1ds5m3INNg4p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> iav@po.CWRU.Edu (Ian A. Verschure
n) writes:
>
> I'm in the cleveland area, and have gotten a group of people together
>that want to play paintball (we've rented guns before).  Now however we
>are all looking at getting our own guns.. anybody have a good idea of
>where we can get the cheaply... or have a mail order adress that we could
>try..
>thanks
>p.s. please respond throught email!
>iav@po.cwru.edu
>
>--
>************************************************************************
>*(place your own favorite cute sig file here and pretend its mine)     *
>*Ian.                                                                  *
>************************************************************************

Try Northeast, ( not the electronics store),  it's a paintball store in
Cleveland, ( I think it's on Pearl Dr. but I could be wrong).
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: griffinr@ucs.orst.edu (Robert Griffin)
Subject: Looking for Players
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:58:36 GMT

I'm in Oregon--Oregon State University, to be exact.  I am completely
aware of all the local fields and such (I've been playing in Oregon for
5 years).  What I'm looking for are Corvallis area players interested in
playing pickup games.  If there are any of you out there, leave me Email!
			--Rob (griffinr@ucs.orst.edu)
From: iav@po.CWRU.Edu (Ian A. Verschuren)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Cleveland
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:40:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: iav@po.CWRU.Edu (Ian A. Verschuren)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


 I'm in the cleveland area, and have gotten a group of people together
that want to play paintball (we've rented guns before).  Now however we
are all looking at getting our own guns.. anybody have a good idea of
where we can get the cheaply... or have a mail order adress that we could
try..
thanks
p.s. please respond throught email!
iav@po.cwru.edu
 
-- 
************************************************************************
*(place your own favorite cute sig file here and pretend its mine)     *
*Ian.                                                                  *
************************************************************************
From: kh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin Michael Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Need advice on a gun purchase
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:49:09 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   I started playing paintball last year and I love the game.  I'd like
to play a lot more and I am looking at getting a paintball gun.  I've
seen some semi-autos and I was really impressed.  I know their expensive
but I'm looking for something with accuracy, that won't cause trouble
and isn't too expensive.  My firend has an auto-mag and he constantly
has problems with it.  I would appreciate some advice.
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Need advice on a gun purchase
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:05:09 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <seyJuJC00iV3A39mER@andrew.cmu.edu> Kevin Michael Hughes <kh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>   I started playing paintball last year and I love the game.  I'd like
>to play a lot more and I am looking at getting a paintball gun.  I've
>seen some semi-autos and I was really impressed.  I know their expensive
>but I'm looking for something with accuracy, that won't cause trouble
>and isn't too expensive.  My firend has an auto-mag and he constantly
>has problems with it.  I would appreciate some advice.
>
Hmm, acuuracy, trouble free, and inexpensive.  Tall order.  For around the
low $300's you can get a proven semi like the F-1 illustrator or a Pro-Am.
For $250 you can get a PMI-3.  For less than $200, you can be courageous and
get yourself a unproven Brass Eagle Stingray.  All the paintball magazines
are giving the Stingray rave reviews.  
What kind of problems is your friend experiencing with his Auto-Mag?  I think
the Auto-Mag runs best on vapor CO2 so running liquid causes problems.
-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 19:17:42 -0500 
From: "Thomas A. McGowan" <tm1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: CMU Club!

	ATTN: CMU paintball players.  A club is forming on campus. If
interested please contact tm1y@andrew.cmu.edu for info.

			--Andy   "Hydran Commander"
From: v119r7hr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (LIVE LONG AND PROSPERE)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: LASER-TAG
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov8.142303.60501@cc.usu.edu>, slgsn@cc.usu.edu writes...
>HEY, DUDES! I WANT TO KNOW WHERE TO GET LASER-TAG WEAPONS HERE AT UTAH STATE
>FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS. WE WANT TO PLAY HERE ON CAMPUS ON THE WEEKENDS. I NEED
>THE WEAPONS, AHORA! THERE NOT AT THE MALL, SO WHERE DO I GO? HELP ME!

Hey DUDE, wrong news group...some people just never learn...

pete
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Re: RI REFUGEES
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:44:02 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

In article <1992Oct29.185053.10144@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> johnsonc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Chris Johnson) writes:
>chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis)  writes:
>> I would be very interested to know from these people what they miss the
>>most. I have thought of moving from time to time. So to thoes that have
>>moved away from RI, if you would, could you please post what you miss
>>the most from our area. Thanks...

>The grocery stores in RI are much better than out here.  Here, it is
>a challenge to get extra virgin olive oil.  Fish is a joke, and basically
>the wonderful food selections of RI, the bakeries, fisheries, meat markets
>etc. don't exist.  All we have is the equiv. of Super Stop & Shop.  

Back in the 70s when we lived in Missouri, it was almost impossible to find
white american cheese. This thoroughly distressed my wife, an RI girl, who
for some reason could not bring herself to eat yellow american. 

People in the midwest were also ga-ga over Red Lobster Seafood Resturants,
an object of scorn and ridicule back in New England. Their idea of good
seafood, with the exception of Mark Twain Resturant chain's all-you-can-eat
catfish fry, was Long John Silvers.

Matt
On the other hand, they had mexican, which was virtually unknown in NE at
the time. And nacho jalapeno/pimento cheese spread. Such delicacies!
From: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: RE: RI REFUGEES
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 

-> something.  I've heard many stories of southern friends who go on
-> plant trips to Boston who are shocked at the lack of conversation or

   I have to agree with you. I dont know if it is RI, or RI ( and other
places ) and this generation.
   I was driving down a street in Newport, I think in August. I had the
window in my van down. There was this old couple, must have been in
thier 70's. As I slowly drove by, (I was comming up to an intersection)
They both looked at me with big happy smiles and said, "HELLO!"
   I did not return thier friendliness. I just turned back to the road,
and remember thinking, "What the hell is wrong with them."
   It bothered me, I then said to my self, "What is wrong with me..."
   I do not feel that the times we live in are as friendly. It is not
just RI. And there are places that just more friendly. I am a friendly
person, and it really bothered me that I treated them that way. Now I am
more mindful...

 Chris Mathis
 UUCP : chris.mathis@madness.network23.com
 BBS  : Terminal Madness BBS - Middletown, RI - USA - 3 High Speed Nodes
 Node1  401)848-9069  v32bis,v42bis 14400 bps       No subscription
  
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: jwilbur@iat.holonet.net (Jay Wilbur)
Subject: Re: RI REFUGEES
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:23:10 GMT

clarke@meandyou.Eng.Sun.COM (Kevin Clarke) writes:
: In article 8BG@iat.holonet.net, jwilbur@iat.holonet.net (Jay Wilbur) writes:
: >Another thing I miss....New York System dogs.
: 
: 	Yeah they're ok, but it pales in comparison to a night at Lupo's dancing
: 	with NRBQ and then dogs at Haven Bros.

Good point!

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Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: lucasg@vccsouth03.its.rpi.edu (Greg E. Lucas)
Subject: Governor Bruce Sundlun
Reply-To: lucasg@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:25:37 GMT

DISCLAIMER: This is not meant to be an attack on Bruce Sundlun, nor does it reflect my opinions on the governor.  Now that he has won re-election I want to share this funny leftover from his last term.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

	            THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND

TO: All Rhode Island Taxpayers

FROM: Members Of The Sundlun Statue Committee

RE: Five (5) Million Dollars


We have the distinguished honor of being on the committee to raise 5 million dollars to place a statue of Bruce Sundlun in the hall of fame, Washington DC.

This committee was in a quandry as to where to place the statue of Bruce.  It was not wise to place it beside the statue of George Washington, who never told a lie, nor beside Franklin Roosevelt, who never told the truth, since Bruce could never tell the difference.

We finally decided to place it beside Christopher Columbus, "The greatest Democrat of them all."  He left not knowing where he was going, and upon arrival did not know where he was.  He returned not knowing where he had been and he did it all on borrowed money.

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promised land."  Nearly five thousand years later, Roosevelt said "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, light up a camel, this is the promised land."

Now Bruce Sundlun is stealing your shovels, kicking your asses, raising the prices of your camels, and mortgaging the promised land.  If you are one of the fortunate Rhode Island taxpayers who has money left after paying taxes, we will expect a generous donation as a show of good faith in Bruce Sundlun.


					Fraternally Yours,

					The Sundlun Statue Committee


P.S.  It is rumored that Bruce is cosidering a proposal to change the Democratic        party emblem from a donkey to a condom because it stands for inflation,           protects a bunch of pricks, stops production, and gives a false sense of
      security while one is being screwed.
From: j..barrett@madness.network23.com (J. Barrett) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Re: R.I. Beaches
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: j..barrett@madness.network23.com (J. Barrett) 

RM>From: Rmanochia@warren.med.harvard.edu
RM>Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
RM>Subject: Re: R.I. Beaches
RM>Message-ID: <Rmanochia.5@warren.med.harvard.edu>
RM>Date: 3 Nov 92 17:20:25 GMT

RM>In article <1992Nov3.004234.7655#u.washington.edu> mwl@carson.u.washington.e
RM>Marion Leber) writes:

RM>>I miss walks on the South County beaches in the middle of winter. A tempera
RM> of about 20 degrees with a good stiff wind and waves crashing in on the bea
RM>sbeyond description.

RM>>Marion Leber
RM>Agreed. I take the family down to East Matunuck for our annual January/
RM>February field trip. Amazing how different the atmosphere is. You can
RM>actually see great stuff washed-up on the beach. My kids love to go
RM>exploring when there is so much laying around.

i still live in ri, on aquidneck island and we never go to the
beach anymore. i do remember a picnic in the middle of january
on the beach. the river was almost completely frozen over.
   j.

---
 . SLMR 2.1 . i don't do taglines, really!
From: bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk (Barry Copeland TBS92)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: New Bolt Thrower
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:27:42 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1992Nov12.150331.5711@ncsu.edu> tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY) writes:
>
>Workshop art came into play. And it's not like the Games Workshop art is like
>some sort of staple in a Bolt Thrower album because they didn't use it for 
>In Battle There Is No Law and they didn't use it on Warmaster (even if it 
>was the same artists, it didn't have that Games Workshop "look"). Well, I 
>don't think it was Games Workshop art on In Battle...but I can always be
>misinformed. Can anyone confirm/deny this?
>
Games Workshop first approached Bolt Thrower after hearing the track "Realm Of
Chaos from their Peel Sessions.

In Battle... did not have GW art.Neither did WM which was done by a former art
director of GW.

The IVth Chapter has artwork by a classical painter which was done in the 1840's
,so this wasn't GW either.

Bolt Thrower "left" GW during production of WarMaster because they were 
dissapointed at the amount of royalties they had to hand over.

Hope this clears it up...

Jo Bench's Left Nipple
Newsgroups: alt.thrash,alt.music.alternative
From: lizzit@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Lizzette Xixxo)
Subject: Re: Negativland and Liquid TV piece Grinning Evil Death
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:47:41 GMT

In article <2AF1D6C4.23084@ics.uci.edu> bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:
>
>   If anyone has seen the "Grinning Evil Death" animation flick on the
>  debut episode of LIquid TV  (The one with the kid trying to kill
>  the huge electronic insect in the city streets),  did you ever notice
>  some of the "cutesy" music played in the Mighty O's commercial or
>  right after the superhero gets crushed by the leg of the large metal
>  insect?  Doesn't that sound strangely familiar to Negativland's "Now"
>  from the _Guns_ EP?
>
>                                                        K!z!K

it may sound as such, but it was an original composition for the film.

now, did u notice the Ring of Sarcasm is an MIT class ring?  or
the "mermaid rules" (as in the little mermaid disney flick) graffitti?
and the cockroach's leg movements was some tooling gnurd's thesis...

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