HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: f0l8973@rigel.tamu.edu
Subject: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:39:00 GMT

Here are some of my personal favorite postings recently 
found on the net.  Compare to the way people from Taiwan 
speak Chinese, I believe we do speak better English.

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<1d9cjuINNdjn@bigboote.WPI.EDU> wrote:

>    But questions have been arisen up. What are tickets each state? 
>    How do they come from?


<9210290025.AA06429@euler.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:

>Well, let me join to tell some my experience.  


<BwxpD4.3v5@ulowell.ulowell.edu> wrote:

>      I do not fear foreigners. Rather, I believe racism is not
>      at China's advantage, given most world powers are Europeans.


<05NOV92.23323072.0072@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> wrote:

>Is any one know how to post E-mail to China?


<1992Nov1.220701.20939@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> wrote:

>I humbly offer my opinion on the net condition.


<BwsGvr.IxI@umassd.edu> wrote:

>this is the only try to post in this group


<1992Oct29.040239.15299@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wrote:

>In a few days is the strangeest American holiday Halloween.


<lf09edINN6tj@colorado.cs.utexas.edu> wrote:

>I am trying to pull myself up together and go on with my life these days.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: future direction of SCC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:59:47 GMT

1. what is the relationship between the Chinese culture and the Chinese 
   HanJian?

2. what is the relationship between the Chinese culture and the Chinese
   dictatorship?

3. What is the Chinese people's view of value? What is the Chinese HanJian's
   view of value? What is the Chinese dictators' view of value?
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Election (Chinese, Are you jealous?)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 00:19:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

>In article <1992Nov6.164727.2814@athena.cs.uga.edu> (Yi Fang) writes:
>>
>>(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?
>>(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?
>>
The election system doesn't guarantee anything, it is purely based on
the candidates skill of debate, skill of communication, skill of public
presentation, ...etc that provide people some basis to choose. But,
the most important point is: the people have right and authority to
drop the candidate who did not/may not serve people well. People have
right to vote some one, people also have right to vote the person out
of office when the person did not do good job.

Under CCP ruling in current China, people's republic is a CCP kingdom. 
People have no right to vote out a bad guy like Deng, Li and Yang.
Once they hold a position, people have no way to say anything. They
always hold on power til the last breath of live, no matter what they
have done. A republic is governed by the people. A people's republic
is a kingdom for some privilege CCP officials only.

The democracy does guarantee that people's voice get heard, pass to
the government. The CCP's social democracy  guarantees  some 
privilege people (CCP power circle) only.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jchen@beach.csulb.edu (James Chen)
Subject: Re: A joke (in ping2ying2)
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:46:00 GMT

In article <Bx9Dvy.FF4@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>2000 Nian2, Zhai4 Yi1 Ge4 Gie1Shen1Shi3 Li3, Ye1 Ge4 Mei3Li4de Mei3Guo2 Yin1
>Er Lai2Dao4 Ren2Gian1. Tu1 Ran Da4 Ku1 Qi3 Lai2: Fan4 Xia4 Wo3, Shong4 Wo3
>Hui2 Qiu4. Wo3 Bu4 Xiang3 Huan2 Guo2 Zhai4!

Ha, Ha, Ha...  This is got to be the funniest joke ever, NOT.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylq@lems11lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:58:35 GMT

In article <9224@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
|> In article <Bx9GwM.116@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
|> >I am sorry, even as a Chinese citizen for so many years, I don't
|> >know how to vote. I was not told so in elementary, high schools.
|> >Not in college either. You must have hidden the voting right for
|> >yourself for many years.
|> 
|> You didn't vote for ban1 zhu3 xi2 when you were about 9?  Poor baby.
|> 
|> You didn't vote for hong2 wei4 bing1 da4 dui4 zhang3 when you were about
|> 15?  Poor baby.
|> 
|> You didn't vote for xue2 sheng1 hui4 zhu3 xi2 when you were about 20?  Poor
|> baby.
|> 
|> Well, you have to wait for 4 years for another chance to vote here. Why
|> not held a vote in your family to see who is the boss :)
|> 
|> -- 
|> //Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.

YOU ARE REALLY A TYPICAL "Ah-Q".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:50:26 GMT

In article <PWU.92Nov9200056@espresso.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>    From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
>      * * *
>    OK, so let's just live with this human right abuse. Remember the guy who
>    cried on the net about his finger record being distributed without consent
>    by another guy? Believe it or not, it's not *just* me who is sick of someone
>    else claiming to act on his behalf.
>    
>I don't see anything warrants the glorious "human right" label here.  It is my
>opinion that one puts only the things in .plan or .project that he wants other
>people to know.  If he does not, he has put them in the wrong place.
>
>    Should we submit ourselves blindly to an organization just because it claims
>    to represent us? What do you think that caused China to be where it is today?
>    Are you for some kind of totalitarian rule? Don't we deserve to have some
>    dissidents on this issue as well? It *is* impossible for IFCSS to satisfy
>    everyone of its member's needs. That is exactly where the momentum of
>    "change" comes from. Now what would it be if all of us were the so called
>    "ruber stamps"?
>
>It is my impression that IFCSS is recognized as a major representative
>oganization of Chinese students in US by the public.  Therefore, I do not feel
>strange that IFCSS congratuated Bill on his election "on behave of 50K...",
>although I am not a IFCSS member and do not agree with IFCSS on all it did.
>
>    Don't attach yourself to any political organization. That way you are bound
>    to be disappointed. The last word, is for all of us: Don't expect too much
>    from Clinton. When he runs the economy into a deeper slum, the Republicans
>    will take over for another 12 years.
>
>I do not see how a courtesy move translates into a political attachment.  Did
>we see the phenomenon of "measure others' corn with one's own bushel" here?

Enough is enough. I am tired of this political correctness issue. Hey,
I can't believe that somebody on the net has yet to answer my question
whether IFCSS represents Chinese students in Canada!

As a conclusion of this debate(hope nobody follows up), I want to point out
that some people interpret the disagreement with IFCSS as the showing of the
Chinese ugly nature, namely, Chinese always fight with each other and can
never achieve a consensus. They say that because IFCSS works for Chinese,
we should stick to its decision no matter what(this is my interpretation
of what they say). 

This will only enable IFCSS to become a bureaucratic organization that
will eventually start to abuse everyone's rights. We don't want that to
happen.

Think about what GM was doing to its customers before the Japanese
established a solid market in America. Did Americans heed what GM president
said "what is good for GM is good for America"? See what kind of car they
are getting now? We always deserve something different, something better.

Fan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Reverse traffic
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:15:18 GMT

In article <lg2m8bINN7h0@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
>
>I was on my way home in a dark evening. I usually have to make a 180 
>degree direction reverse at the freeway exit/interchange. I noticed
>the other side of street is closed due to road work at the intersection
>of 101 and the 1st Street of San Jose. When I moved my car close to
>the intersection, a brand new car was moving toward me in the reverse
>direction. I let the car pass, so as the others in the outter lanes.
>The driver looked like 60 something old lady with eyegalsses. She drove
>slowly when she was in the reverse direction, and she was not caught
>buy police. Passing in front of me, the lady tried to dirve off the road
>to shop. She speeded up as she saw everybody yielded for her.
					      ^^^^^^^
Everybody should *yell* at her. The only time I did this everyone
horned me.

>I was thinking how odd that happened in the heavy traffic area. Just in
>second, "Duan" noise shocked many drivers, the brand new expensive car
>was hit in the middle section on passenger side door. It is wrecked by
>a NISSAN Z240 racing car.

Great! I still enjoy the sight of broken toys. Don't know why.

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Boundary negotiation between China and India.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:08:10 GMT

To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
From: Sirdar_Khalifa <a10rjs1@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: Beijing Presents New Proposal to Solve Border Dispute with India 
Source: UPI, 11/3/1992
Written by:  Brahma Chellaney

NEW DELHI, India -- China has presented a new proposal to resolve its four-
decades-old Himalayan border dispute with India, the Indian Foreign Ministry
announced Tuesday.

Ministry spokesman Shiv S. Mukherjee said India has sought more details on
the Chinese offer, made at the recent Sino-Indian border negotiations in
Beijing.

The rival delegations, headed by Indian Foreign Secretary Jyotindra N. Dixit
and Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Xu Dunxin, held three days of talks last
week. This was the fifth round of negotiations since the world's two most
populous nations set up a joint working group in 1988 to discuss the frontier
dispute.

Mukherjee said Beijing has offered to make "some adjustments" in the Kashmir
sector in return for reciprocal Indian concessions in the other corner of
the border near Burma.

He did not elaborate but said India would communicate its response to China
after receiving specific details on the proposal.

The two Asian giants fought a Himalayan war in 1962 which led to the Chinese
annexation of Indian Kashmir's strategic Aksai Chin region. A year later,
Pakistan ceded a slice of its own Kashmiri territory to China, its closest
ally.

The  Kashmiri areas have enabled Beijing to link its two remote and
rebellious provinces of Tibet and Xinjiang and build the strategic Karakoram
Highway to Pakistan.

China has repeatedly urged India to accept its annexation of the Kashmiri
territories in return for Beijing giving up its claim over the northeastern
Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which also borders Burma.

The latest proposal is believed to a variant of the earlier offers.
Diplomatic analysts said it probably offers small concessions in the form of
slight adjustments to the existing line of control in the Kashmir sector to
allay Indian security concerns.

The control of strategic Kashmir is divided among India, Pakistan and China.
Kashmir also borders Afghanistan and Tajikstan.

The long and rugged Sino-Indian frontier has been quiet since the 1987
border clashes, which were triggered by a massive Indian Army exercise.
Hundreds of thousands of rival troops, however, remain deployed along the
snow-covered border.

During the recent talks, the two sides agreed to implement several
confidence-building measures, including an agreement to provide advance
notification of border troop movements and military maneuvers.

The two neighbors also have agreed to regular meetings of their Army field
commanders and to set up "hot-line" communications links between their
military headquarters.

Later this month, Indian and Chinese navies are scheduled to jointly hold a
small exercise off the eastern Indian coast in the Bay of Bengal. The
maneuver is designed  to build mutual confidence at a time when both
countries are seeking to develop blue-water navies.
From: ding@cs.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: cedit31
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:53:17 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

I posted cedit31.exe to cs.pitt.edu (anonymous login) under /pub/incoming.
And cedit30.doc to answer some simple question.

Here is cedit30.doc:


archive site: cs.pitt.edu    directory: /pub/incoming
author: ding@cs.pitt.edu

=== NOTES ON CEDIT30.EXE ============
11-04-92: ABOUT CEDIT30.EXE

CEDIT30.EXE is a Chinese word processor for IBMPC running MSDOS. 
It will not run on other machines.

Make sure you have used BINARY mode to download CEDIT30.EXE, and 
make sure its size is 440781 bytes on your IBMPC.  Otherwise, your 
copy is incorrect.

Type CEDIT30.EXE on your PC, it will unpack itself.  Read the
documentatoin file CEDIT.ENG for more informations.

You need to install a mouse driver (usually call MOUSE.COM) to see 
the mouse cursor.

Type CEDIT and return to get a help instruction on command line.
Type CEDIT followed by filename to edit the file.


================== CEDIT31.DOC ==============================
11-07-92: ABOUT CEDIT31.EXE PACKAGE.

=== You must obtain cedit30.exe to use cedit31.exe ===

The main reason of cedit31 is to add Hercules card support for my
friend jzy (if you know who he is :-).  This program can replace
cedit.exe in cedit30.exe package.  Compare with cedit version 3.0:

1. Display speed on Hercules card should be 16 times faster
(theoretically :).

2. No need for file HERC.BGI for Hercules card.  No need for
CGA.BGI for CGA card. 

3. Code to display on EGA/VGA changed too.  It is faster now.
Thanks to tips from Mr. Gongquan Chen.

4. If you made changes, Quit command will ask if you want to save
before quit.  Save command will save, but not quit program.  So just 
ESC to quit program now.

5. It will use up to 64K memory for edit buffer.  The size of edit
buffer will be displayed on first line.  It was up to 50K.

6. I still can't find solutions that some Hercules card don't work
with mouse.  If you can't see mouse cursor on your Hercules card,
you may try EMUL.COM included, a program that I wrote long time ago (lost
source code) to emulate CGA on Hercules card.  Type "emul i" to
install the TSR part, then type "emul g" for graphic mode, "emul m"
for text mode.  I don't remember what "emul c" means :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hua@engin.umich.edu (CHONGYU HUA)
Subject: Help wanted: PS of cm9211z
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:57:57 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa



Can some one help me to get the PS version of
cm9211z1 and cm9211z2 ?  Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang)
Subject: Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.213337.13914@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>
>Though I reserve the ownership of my personal data and the right of its ...
>

Congratulations! xiaobiao. I'm happy to see you come out. I said that's good
for you. If every Chinese can follow you, I believe China will have a better
tomorrow.

If my previous postings offended you, here I apolagize to you.

--Shicheng
From: zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese Word Processor Seeked
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:12:46 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

HI,

I need a Chinese word processor: either a MS-DOS program working
with a laser printer, or some kind of TeX program.  

I have got some TeX program like "cc2tex" and "ChTeX", but after
spending a couple of frustrating nights, still can not get it
working.  If anyone who has a working version of   
"cc2tex" or "ChTeX" for  Ultrix on a DECstation, please drop
me a line at zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu.

Any information is welcois.

Thanks in advance.


Yaoen Zhang

==============================================================
| Yaoen Zhang               |  When the ancient world ended, |
| zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu    |  no one remembered to tell the | 
| 703-231-7371              |  Chinese.                      |
==============================================================
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:51:49 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [youth] teanager parenthood in China

 >From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
 >Subject: [youth] teenage parenthood in China
 >Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 01:11:22 GMT
 >
 >     [Temas pli junula gravedeco.]
 >
 >     The seven-o'clock Chinese language news talked about teenage
 >pregnancy in Taiwan.  What a deterioration of western winds to China!
 >(deleted)


              I don't know the old fashion in Taiwan.

              But seems to me that teenager pregnancy was not
              originating "west wind".
              The old fashion in china, maybe still popular
              in some areas, was to get married at age of
              13 some. The teenagers including Huang2Shang
              had kids all around the street.And a male youngster
              may have several wivies.

              Because of "west wind", the old fashion is out of
              date. Now seems east wind has turned around,
              after experiencing west world(may call it west
              wind), back home.

              In Tuya's theory, Taiwan may be on the position of
              "Ding3Feng1". The mainland must be the  next
              touch down.

              Don't worry too much. It'll get momentum,
              keeping ahead of west.

              X Xu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29738 talk.politics.china:2516
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:41:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

In article <Bx9uCo.HMI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <PWU.92Nov5191809@espresso.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>>(deleted)
>I am over 18,

Any evidence? I can't see that from your big-mouth, emotional articles.

>(deleted)
>We humble people can do nothing,

Not necessarily. Together we can make difference, please donate.

<but to tell the truth. But I only
<tell truth, no more and no less. If you believe you have truth, don't
<feel insulted. Simply tell your story.

I am the one who believe you are telling your true feeling, but not
necessarily the truth. Seek it, wait a second for cooling down, and
judge whether it is.
-- 
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From: wwxiong@endeavor.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Histry Of Famous Generals
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:46:22 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: endeavor.ksu.ksu.edu


I would like to know whom do you think are the top 5  generals
in the 5000-year of Chinese histry.

Here is my list of Top 5 :

#1  Grand Master  XIANG YU  king of the Western Chu. 

#2  General LI GUANG of Han Empire.

#3  Cavarlary General HUO QU_BING of Han Empire.

#4  Marsharl YUE FEI of Song Empire.

#5  Marsharl PENG DE-HUAI of People's Repulic of China. 


Here are some of the other I think could make the list:

    General       MENG TIAN of QIN2 Empire.
    General       LIAN PO   of ZhaoKingdom.
    General       BAI QI    of QIN2 Kingdom.
    Great Gerneral WEI QING  of Han Empire.
    General       ZHAO YUN  of Shu kingdom (3 Guo)
    General       ZHANG LIAO of Wei Kingdom (3 Guo)
    Cavarlary General CEN2 PENG of Eastern Han Empire.
    Marsharl      QIN QIONG of Tang Empire.
    General       XIONG TING-BI of Ming Empire.
    Marsharl      YANG YAN-ZHAO of Song Empire.
    General       CHEN GENG     of People's Republic of China.
    Marsharl      LIN BIAO      of People's Republic of China.

That's all folks .
Hope I can Get some responds
Thanks!
Weize Xiong
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:54:27 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Green Woods (was Re: Translation of Jiang1 Hu2)
Distribution: na

 >Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 12:42:13 EST
 >From: Tao Yao <TAYAO@MTUS5.BITNET>
 >Subject: Re: Green Woods (was Re: Translation of Jiang1 Hu2)
 >
 >Is that read as Luu4 Lin2 or Lu4 Lin2? I remember we are taught it should read
 >as Lu4, same as *land* or *road* instead of Luu4,*Green*. So how comes the

                    A netter identifies it as 6,
                    his family name.

*Gre
 >en woods*?


                    The netters just finished 3 Qin1.
                    Here comes a Lu.

                    Where are lix's teaching group w/ CiHai
                    and fundation.

                    X Xu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29691 talk.politics.china:2485