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From: wsheffield@pro-ace.cts.com (Wayne Sheffield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: P8v2.0.1 and No-Slot-Clock
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:23:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-ace]

In <49BwiB4w164w@bluemoon.rn.com>
djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick) writes:

>This question is to Matt Deatherage and/or Dave Lyons, whoever can help..
I'm not either of them, but I might have a solution!
>
>Where exactly did you move the date routine and what do I need to look
>for?  My No-Slot-Clock Utilities do not recognize the new version, but
>work just fine with v1.8.  I would like to change the NSC program, since
>it is unlikely that SMT will release a new program.
>
>I currently use Block Warden as my block editor.  I need to know where to
>look (what location) for the new date routine so that I can get my NSC
>utils to work with it.
>
Call Quality Computers.  They sent my user group a disk with the latest NSC
utilities on it (free) - NSC now provides a .system file to patch the
ProDOS that is in memory instead of on disk.  This way, they don't have to
go looking for those codes all the time, and would be compatible with all
future versions of ProDOS.  Give it a try - you'll like it.
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From: dig@pro-iisysops.cts.com (Doug Granzow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Lovin' System 6
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:03:04 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-iisysops]

quest@edsi.plexus.COM (Scott Anderson) writes:

[ Re: The "System 6.0 is a program launcher and the II is dead" post.]

>I'm was shocked that no one has been able to stop the post (cancel it)
>at any distribution point.  Oh well, It's a free country.

I don't see any reason to cancel the message. The interesting thing about
messages like the one he posted is that, while he is trying to convince us
that the Apple II really is dead, to me it reaffirms my belief that the Apple
II is really a living computer with a thriving "community" that believes in
it. We know he was wrong. At first, the post just makes you mad. But as you
see the replies, it becomes clear that noone was fooled by it, and that there
are plenty of people out there who see the "bright side" of things, even
though they may not get to express it everyday.


Doug Granzow           dig@pro-iisysops.cts.com  or  ...crash!pro-iisysops!dig
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From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Finder extensions in sys 6
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:23:51 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon Apr 06 92 at 15:01:53 (EST)

> From: TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
> I vaguely remember that when the new features of system 6 were being
> discussed someone referred to the notion of "finder extensions." In
> particular, I think someone talked about being able to add a new entry
> (or maybe entries) to the finder's menu bar.  One possible use for this
> would be to have a new menu entry that contained a list of one's
> frequent applications (but not so frequent you wanted to leave them on
> the desktop.)  I got the impression in fact that such an extension was
> packaged with the system, but that could well have been wishful
> thinking.  HOw much of this am I remembering right?

Pretty much everything is right on cue. On the CD-ROM (of System 6.0) there
was a freeware Finder Extension from Seven Hills Software (called
QuickLaunch). It is available on most of the Online services by now.
 
You can either stick the extensions in the System.Setup folder or a new folder
called FinderExtras. If they are in FinderExtras they are only loaded when the
Finder is loaded.
 
> I suppose a related question, which wouldn't be fair for the Apple
> folks, is, how much does one miss by NOT having the documentation that
> comes with the system?  Also (and maybe this is related to the previous
> question) is there any software that comes with the distributed version
> that hasn't been posted on ftp.apple.com?

Well, having seen how MUCH documentation (for developers) was on the CD-ROM,
I'd say it depends. If you are just a user, you should be able to work pretty
well without any extra documentation. If you're a developer though, you'd
DEFINITELY want the documentation that covers all the new stuff. 
 
The fluff that comes in the package you'd buy from the dealer isn't worth the
money most of the time, IMHO. 

Oh, and BTW, Andy Nicholas, Dave Lyons *** WAKE UP ***. I didn't mind the
notes being in AWGS word processing form, but I sure would have appreciated
more tab stops in the documents......ARGH!
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From: derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu (Derek Taubert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Ack! GNO problem!
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:47:37 GMT
Reply-To: dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: Damage Inc.

In article <1992Apr12.170205.7649@cis.ohio-state.edu>  
meekins@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins) writes:
> In article <1992Apr12.162837.16802@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
bb252@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James L. Brookes) writes:
> >greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:
> >>erw-brd 0000 $C7         0 Jul 26 17:30 1991 Monitor

> >two fork files as the size of the data fork.  I'm not sure of a better
> >way to handle that, besides maybe at least showing the file is forked (maybe
> >a '+' after the FT or between the FT and auxtype?).

> The next version of GNO ls will most likely add the EOF of the data
> and resource forks to get the file size. The '+' is a good idea, maybe we
> can also add that.

Just exactly what do you think the e is for (erw-brd)?  ls isn't 100% GNO,  
either.  At least, I didn't think I was getting a paycheck.  :-)

Derek
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Does anyone remember the P-system?
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:08:38 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr12.011644.7307@crash.cts.com> johnw@pro-ren.cts.com (John Withers) writes:
>I'm looking for any information I can get about the nitty-gritty
>of the UCSD P-system.  That's right, the nitty-gritty.  I'm even interested
>in the P-codes themselves.

p-Source
A Guide to the Apple(tm) Pascal System
by Randall Hyde
ISBN 0-88190-004-4

Published by DATAMOST, which I suspect is no longer around.  Randy Hyde
is though; not too long ago he had an internet address at a university
(UC Irvine?)  Perhaps somebody else can fill in the blank (send e-mail).

The Acknowledgements section is enlightening:

"This manual was written on an Apple II computer system using the Apple PIE
(PIE Writer) word processing system available from Hayden Book Company.  The
original illustrations and drawings were created on Apple's LISA machine
using LISADRAW.  Without these two computer systems this project would not
have been possible."

The book gets about as gritty as it gets.  It even has a section on how
to interface peripherals and non-standard devices to Apple Pascal.  Might
be hard to find though.

>Internet: johnw@pro-ren.cts.com | TechRen User Group
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[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ANSITerm 1.1
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:18:01 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA


One of my buddies has AnsiTerm 1.0..... he was always telling me bout how
good a prog it was... but fore I wanted to spend the bucks, I asked to
borrow it to verify it would run on my sys.... IT WON'T!

I gotta rom 1 board, transwarp (32K cache), Rom C SCSI, AE RamKeeper, 1 meg
apple card in back, 6 meg AE card in extended slot, two conner 100meg
drives.....

Frank has a rom 1 board, 1.25 meg total, and that's it....

When I try to boot the prog, it jus "hangs", can't get it to do nothing...

Will the new version work with my hardware?  I don't mind buying a product
that works.... do ya have a money back policy if it dont?  

I am using the same modem config he uses, gs port to patriot (anchor
automation) 2400 baud hayes compatible external modem..... 

I been using MegaTerm to call the ansi boards, and ansi convert to change
my PT screens to ANSi...... jus can't upload/download em.....

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From: mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Copyrights.  Part 2
Date: 14 Apr 1992 14:58:13 GMT
Organization: Simulacron I

This is part two of the copyright postings.  This posting deals with
the usage of a Notary Republic.  Why you should use it, and how.


Notary Republics.  The DOs and DON'Ts.

	1.	Why should you use a Notary Republic?

		A.	A Notary Republic is, usually, a FREE service given to the people
			of the United States of America (and possibly other countries) in
			order that a safe and responsible way could be maintained to
			document something.  In our case, we are talking about software.
		B.	There are a number of places where you can have something
			Notarized.  Your bank, your place of work, and at some shopping
			centers are only a few of the places you can go.  Usually your
			bank and place of work will do the stamping for free.  Other
			places sometimes charge a small fee.
		C.	You should use the Notary Republic so you have a WITNESSED document
			stating that you AND the other person have seen, and agreed that
			you were working on X.  If, therefore, there is some contention
			later on down the road about who had an idea first - you will
			have your Notarized documents showing exactly when and where you
			had the idea.  Further, you will have someone who would be
			willing to go to court and state that you had the idea at that
			date.  Or in other words - you've got a witness to vouch for
			you should you ever have to go to court.

	2.	Why should you NOT use a Notary Republic?

		A.	Because you are lazy.  That's it.  There IS no reason not to use
			a Notary Republic when you are working on an idea.  So get those
			documents notarized - NOW.  Not later, not next week - now.

	3.	What do you get when you use a Notary Republic?

		A.	You get a document with a Notary Seal on it.  The document should
			be an original listing produced by yourself (or a co-worker) on the
			same printer you will be using when you send off for your copyright.
			Why?  No real reason other than different printers print differently.
			So you should want both the Notarized version as well as the copyrighted
			version produced the same way.
		B.	When you've gotten all of your documents Notarized, then they should be
			placed in a safe place somewhere.  When you copyright the software, the
			copyright should also be placed into the same place.  In this way, you
			create a history of the creation of your software.  A history which, if
			taken to court - will prove you were the original person who had the idea.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: System 6
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:03:46 GMT

t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson) writes:

>shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:

>> [stuff deleted]
>What I have a problem with is that the upgrade should NOT have the 
>problems that it does have. In my eyes, an upgrade should fully support 
>the previous hardward and software that was in use before. Case in 
>point: the new controls. Yes, we have have "old" control formats, and 
>things like the Termometer control, BUT, the older software will work just 
>fine.

  If there were any problems that weren't related to your particular
system, I'd have noticed them, since I was a beta tester and have
a RAMfast and used P8 quite often.

>Now, I understand that not everyone at Apple doesn't have a RamFast (why, 
>I don't know - I would guess pride, but I'm pessimitic), but it's just 
>very ODD that with the HiSpeed SCSI card in, it works fine (goes in and 
>out of P8 okay), but with the RamFast in, it doesn't. (no, I'm not going 
>back to the HSSCSI).

   Umm.. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the problem is
with the RAMfast.  I'm quite certain this has been discussed before.
Turn off P8 partition mapping on your RAMfast, and things will be
kosher once again.
   And, reinstall your RAMfast driver.  I use my RAMfast driver
no problem.
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From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca assembler weirdness
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:34:21 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <e8oL0224cbLf00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
> 
> I typed in and assembled the following under Orca/M 2.0:
> 
> foo1       DATA
> bar        equ   $00
>            END
> 
> 
> foo2       DATA
> bar        equ   $00
>            END
> 
> 
> foo3       START
>            lda   bar
>            END
> 
> The assembler had no problems.  The linker gave me two errors: in foo2,
> it said that "bar" was redefined.  In foo3, it said that "bar" was an
> unresolved reference.
> 
> Makes you wonder what's getting fed to the linker.  Gotta love private global
> variables.
> 
> -- 
> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)

This isn't as mysterious as your subject would lead people to believe,
oh inquisitive one.

In the OMF world, there are two basic strategies for dealing with
symbolic references.  The first is to let the assembler/compiler generate
references to every label and let the linker all sort it out.  The second
is to require the assembler to know exactly where every label is so the
linker can work faster.

ORCA takes the first approach.  It generates OMF referencing "bar" each
time, and the linker finds the error.  This means you don't have to
'IMPORT bar' in every segment you us it in, but it also means the linker
gives you not-very-helpful messages like "Error at FOO3+$2BC" (or
whatever).

(By the way, MPW IIgs takes the second approach.  This is helpful in that
the assembler can tell you "Error on line xxx of source file foo.aii -- 
unresolved reference BAR" -- but it also means that you have to 'import'
everything all over the place to keep it happy.  See the IR source for
some examples of this.)

Now, for your specific problem.  The first error is easy to see:  you
defined "bar" in foo1 and in foo2, so the linker rightfully complains
that it's redefined.

The second error is that you use 'bar' in foo3 without declaring it in
that segment or using the USING directive to include one of the two
data segments, either foo1 or foo2.  If you'd done that, the second
error would either be another complaint about redefinition or it would
just be ignored (since you specified which data segment you wanted
to use).  Depends on your linker.

============================================================================
Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical  | The opinions expressed herein are
Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
============================================================================
From: cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Remapping problems (I think)
Date: 12 Apr 92 08:21:29 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


 Since installing system 6.0 I've been unable to use my 3.5"
drives; the Finder (probably meaning GS/OS) thinks I have two
copies of CVTechROM (yes, I have a Rev. C RamFAST), and the
'other' copy resides in my 3.5" drive.
 I suppose this is due to the fact that RamFAST remaps slots? Or
does that effect only ProDOS 8?
 I seem to have lost my RamFAST manual somewhere, so could
somebody please tell me how to turn remapping off (if it can be
done)? And also, what is CVTech's address?

Thanks.
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From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: sys 6 speed etc.
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:44:23 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <19922.1111.17840@dosgate>, andrew.andoniadis@canrem.com (andrew andoniadis) writes:
> 
> Do I have a problem?
>  But before I installed Sys. 6 I took my complete 5.04 system folder
> and placed in on different partition on my HD in another folder which
> I name "ORIGINAL".  That darned Easy Install not only Updated the
> System on my BOOT PARTITION, it also Updated the one that I had
> carefully hidden.

Sorry, no.  Easy Install doesn't go searching through your hard drives
looking for things that might be system folders; it requires the one
named */System, just like GS/OS does.  If something changed in that
folder, I want to know exactly what it was and how you made it happen;
Easy Install didn't do it for you.

> I reinstalled System 5.04 on the third partition
> but now I can't get System 5.04 to load with the EXPRESSLOAD message
> below the thermometer. Nor does it occur when loading from the
> ORIGINAL 3.5 system disk. They System 5.04 that did show the message
> was installed by TMS and came on the HD.  Does anyone know how to get
> the System 5.04 to use and indicate EXPRESSLOAD while it is booting
> up?  The file is there, but it appears to be being ignored.  And it
> is active.

The message was an easter egg; it's displayed when the auxiliary
type of the EXPRESSLOAD file is $5254.  It doesn't ship that way; 
if TMS shipped your hard drive that way they're violating the
licensing agreement which says "Don't modify this stuff."  It led
you to believe that re-installed 5.0.4 is not using ExpressLoad,
which is not the case (ExpressLoad always loads if you have more than
512K, whether or not the easter egg message appears.)

> Andy A.
> --
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Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: meekins@abalone.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins)
Subject: Re: System 6
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:31:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.164937.21883@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.145327.17736@cis.ohio-state.edu> meekins@abalone.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins) writes:
>>
>>Ummm...you removed the RamFast driver? You won't be able to use the RamFast
>>without it, otherwise it will crash.Make sure the RamFast driver is installed.
>>In fact, I had to copy the RamFast driver onto the install disk before I could
>>boot /install and put 6.0 on my HD. You need the RamFast driver....Also,
>>make sure you have a recent version of the RamFast driver..Do you have the
>>Rom 2.01?
>
>	I don't know about that.  I believe the RamFAST works fine
>with the standard GS/OS drivers... in fact I know it does, because I
>didn't replace the drivers when I installed System 6.0.  You won't see
>the huge increase in speed though without the RamFAST drivers.
>
>>TIM MEEKINS                    Ask me about GNO/ME! - MultiTasking on a IIGS!
>
>Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200

Well, my GS Ram (rev A!!) won't allow DMA access, and the Apple Driver seems
to do DMA whether I've told RamFast to do so or not...so, when using the
Apple Driver, My GS crashes as soon as it tries to load to GS-Ram memory,
which is about 5 seconds into booting...I guess it's time to get a nice
DMA-compatible 4MB card...

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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple 2 Ethernet card?
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:29:47 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <BMCAC7.7s7@world.std.com> jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes:
>Does anybody know if Apple has released the rumored Ethernet card for the
>Apple 2 yet?  Haven't heard anything about it for a while.  Was the project
>cancelled?  Was the card released without Apple telling anyone?  (like the
>FDHD card was)

It's still in the works!
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My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
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From: tjb@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Thomas Byrne)
Subject: Help!
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/450-9394 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:35:02 GMT

To anyone knoladgeable about the Apple IIc computer:

Do you know what the ProDos basic load command is, for the Apple IIc
computer?



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From: mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ProLine and FutureVision Discussion
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:08:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr17.000825.17766
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <9849@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> jnomina@bgsu.edu (Aqualung) writes:
>In some article, mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis) writes:
>> Daniel brings up a good point here, which we will hopefully all
>> understand, and put these petty bickerings (a hallmark of this group)

>Hmm...  Don't know about this.  I mean, I've heard some VERY petty
>bickerings on other groups.

It never fails.  Everytime we announce a new product or upgrade here,
inevitably people start getting into spitting matches with one another
on the level of "mine is better than yours."  Some kind of controversy
always arises.

For once, it would be refreshing to post a press release and have it
followed up with questions about new features and such.  Ironically,
I get a lot of positive feedback in private mail, but this group gets
so nasty at times that you really begin to wonder if it is worth it.
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