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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Duck boat
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:44:34 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec15.085238.13896@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
hamid@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Hamid Mir) writes:
 
>I am considering the purchase a new boat for duck hunting. I am looking
>at a boat from a company called Phoneix Products they sell a boat called
>the Poke boat. I am interested in one of their larger models the Vagabond.
>I saw their add in Wildfowl magazine and I sent for some info, the boat looks
>pretty good but it is mail order. I am reluctant to purchase a mail order
>boat untill I hear some more about it. Does anyone out there know or heard
>anything about these guys. They are located in Kentucky.
>
>The boat is something like a large Kayak, it seems much better than the
>traditional canoe for stability and speed.
 
 
I remember a few years ago in an article in Field & Stream where the
author (one of the regulars) talked about a float trip down a river in
a poke boat.  He was very impressed with them.
 
It's too bad there isn't an ftp site for old magazine articles with
a search mechanism....
 
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From: jessie@iastate.edu (Brent Danielson)
Subject: Re: Identifying Squirrel species
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:48:23 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec17.092515.24651@doug.cae.wisc.edu> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
>
>I was planning to go squirrel hunting in a week or so but I realized
>that I don't know how to tell a red squirrel (protected) from a
>fox squirrel (legal). Can anyone help me out. Also is there a good
>book (illustrated) on recognizing game species.
>
>			mike (the green horn)

Mike, 

There a number of squirrels that are called "red squirrels" including
the fox in some areas.  Basically though, the red squirrel,
Tamiasciurus hudsonicus, is very small (about 350-400 grams or a
little less than a pound) it is reddish brown to reddish grey in the
winter.  They have a dark line separating this dorsal coloration from
a creamy white belly.

Fox squirrels, Sciurus niger, are larger (like three times).  They are
usually medium grey on the back (not reddish grey).  Their bellies can
be whitish, but often they are very reddish - much like the color on
the backs of most red squirrels.  Fox squirrels also come in many
other color variations - especially in the South.  In fact, they got
their name, S. niger, because the person that described them did the
black variant first and then a grey variant, not realizing that they
are the same species.  When this was later corrected, the black
'niger' had precidence and thus the name, even though most fox
squirrels are infact grey.

You will also have another species called the eastern grey squirrel,
Sciurus carolinensis, and they look very much like a smaller or
immature fox squirrel with a whitish belly (never red).  Experts have
trouble telling these two apart unless they are in the hand.  They
should also be legal hunting.

In general, you will find fox squirrels along river bottoms, grey
squirrels on the upland oak/hickory hardwoods, and red squirrel -
uncommon in most of Illinois - in pine areas.  However these are only
general guidelines.  Squirrels are pretty adaptable.

A good illustration is Burt and Grossenheider - A field Guide to the
Mammals.  They have illustrations and range maps.  The maps are poor
though, you'll see all of Iowa included in red squirrel range, but
there are none.

Most of the field ID characteristics are size, and grey coloration.
After you've seen a few of the tree squirrels in your local
neighborhood, you will have no trouble separating a faded winter red
red squirrel from the really grey-backed fox and grey squirrels.  If
you have any doubts look for the black line between the dorsal and
ventral regions - only a red will have it.

Good luck!!!

Brent

-- 
Jessie@iastate.edu                                           Brent J. Danielson
515-294-5248                                               Dept. Animal Ecology
                                                          Iowa State University
                                                            Ames, IA 50011-3221


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From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: field dressing question
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:24:32 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec16.084449.20094@doug.cae.wisc.edu> sab@cblpe.att.com (Shawn A Beachy) writes:
>I am hoping that someone out there can answer a question that
>I have concerning field dressing a deer.  The question is -- Is
>it necessary to remove the tarsal glands from the hind legs of
>a buck when field dressing it?
>

In my opinion, it is not necessary.


>The rationale that I have heard behind this is that if this is
>not done, the meat will taste strong.  However, I believe I
>recall a tip in "Field & Stream" that said that this was not
>necessary and is more of a ritual than a necessity.

I have always left the tarsal gland on right up to the point of skinning
the hide off. I have taken probably over 40 bucks the last dozen years 
and I do not think any of them tasted unusally strong or "gamey". 

>  In fact,
>removing the tarsal glands before removing the entrails could
>actually contaminate some of the meat if you don't clean your
>knife first.
>

This is very possible if one is not careful to use two knives
when field dressing.


>My cousin and I kind of got into a mini debate on the issue and
>started me thinking.  I didn't remove the tarsal glands on
>my buck this year and will get my deer back from the butcher this
>weekend so I may soon have the answer to my own question.  I'll
>appreciate any facts or anecdotes that anyone out there can
>provide in the meantime however.
>
>
>Shawn
>
>

I suspect your venison will be just fine.

Keith

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From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Identifying Squirrel species
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:25:14 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I was planning to go squirrel hunting in a week or so but I realized
that I don't know how to tell a red squirrel (protected) from a
fox squirrel (legal). Can anyone help me out. Also is there a good
book (illustrated) on recognizing game species.

			mike (the green horn)


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From: jessie@iastate.edu (Brent Danielson)
Subject: Re: field dressing question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:47:00 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec17.092419.24510@doug.cae.wisc.edu> romingk@pell3l0.alleg.edu (Karl Rominger) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.084449.20094@doug.cae.wisc.edu> sab@cblpe.att.com  
>(Shawn A Beachy) writes:
>> I am hoping that someone out there can answer a question that
>> I have concerning field dressing a deer.  The question is -- Is
>> it necessary to remove the tarsal glands from the hind legs of
>> a buck when field dressing it?
>
>Well I don't do this and the meat tastes fine. The real trick is to
>skin the deer and cool it as soon as possible.  We skin all are deer
>the evening we get them, and depending upon the weather, we either
>butcher it immeadiately, or let it hang for a few days.  Hanging any
>deer in its skin, or otherwise not handling the meat properly will
>give it a "gamey flavor".
>
>Karl
>
>
I've hung my deer for several days in the skin, as well as butchered
a few within a very short period (< 24 hr) and I've never had any
"gamey flavor" problems.  I would worry that a very lean deer with
no fat layer might dry out if left skinned and hanging for very long.  
I don't have it handy, but I think LL Bean's cookbook recommends 
hanging in the skin, but I don't have a copy handy.

In general, I hang almost everything for a few days if possible (i.e.,
weather permitting).  This includes pheasants, ducks, geese (undrawn
if not shot up too bad).

The only exception is a squirrel, which I skin as within seconds.  They
are too hard to skin if left to cool and stiffen.  

Brent Danielson
-- 
Jessie@iastate.edu                                           Brent J. Danielson
515-294-5248                                               Dept. Animal Ecology
                                                          Iowa State University
                                                            Ames, IA 50011-3221


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From: peterson@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (John M. Peterson)
Subject: Crossbows
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:32:58 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


    My experience with crossbows are limited,but,I had
bought one of the cheaper model recurves(a Barnett,I
believe).The thing was light as a feather and shot like
a rifle.I actually shot squirrels with it.*BUT* the 
limbs kept developing cracks.Some say this isnt anything
to worry about,but I just couldnt get used to the idea of
that string coming loose in my face!I returned it to the store


and they replaced it no questions asked(swallen's here in cinti.)
The second bow lasted a lot longer than the first,but the same
thing happened.Swallen's was again very helpful and apologetic.
The third bow literally exploded when I got done assembling it!
The little plastic tips on the end of the limbs were not put
on properly.This time I just got my money back.This may or
may not be typical of these things,my neighbor has one and has 
never had any trouble out of it.
    My next crossbow was a Browning compound,extremely heavy,not 
very well suited for a handicapped hunter unless he/she has good
upper body strength.
    I switched to a crossbow for a couple of seasons because of
a shoulder problem,but now am back to a compuond bow(two shots,
two misses!)
        
BTW,I came up with the adress of the place I was searching for
that tans deer hides.
     Sebring Custom Tanning
     1103 S E Lakeview Dr.
     Sebring,Fla 33870
     (813)385-8329
For $15.00 per hide,I think that it would worth it,if for no other
reason than that much wear and tear on my marridge(after all these
years,the little woman is *STILL* not used to finding dead things
in the basement!)

Marty using jmp's acc.


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From: jrl1@kepler.unh.edu (John R Labonte)
Subject: Re: Questions from a lurker
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:56:45 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


   Rosalie ,

   There is little I enjoy better than giving my opinions on hunting,
 deer, wildlife etc...

   I have had venison from quite a variety of deer doe,buck,swamp,hardwood
 and a few from other parts of the country and have never noticed any
 difference in the taste. The only two deer that were tough were both
 older and were bucks. I have heard many people say that an older buck
 will be tough but I don't think this is true.  I have eaten from large
 old deer that were as tender as a young small one.  I also believe that
 how the meat is treated by things like letting the deer age for a couple
 of days has only a minor effect.  The only rule I have found is that
 tough deer tend to be old but not all old deer are tough.

   As for only shooting the bucks...  I have talked to quite a few hunters
 here in New Hampshire and have only met maybe one in thirty who would
 shoot only a buck.  The rest (myself included) shoot the first one
 to come by and are thankful for it.  However in conversation most people
 will talk/wish for a buck.  This is most likely because bucks tend to be
 much larger and fill the freezer.  They also offer a trophy, tend to
 be harder to get and so can offer many hours of pleasent braging to
 your doe shooting friends.  Now in N.H. only about 10% of gun hunters
 and 4% bowhunters fill their tags (and only one deer for each type of
 hunting), so this may differ in other parts of country where the deer
 populations are larger.  If I felt that I would get more than a couple
 of chances then I might (well maybe) let  the ordinary deer walk by
 and wait for the giant-buck-that-lives-here to come by.  I could always
 give up that plan as the season gets near to the end and he hasn't
 shown up.

    I am glad to hear that you are still riding your horse. I still think
 back to last year when I was getting out of my truck to head into the
 woods with my bow.  Someone came down the road riding a horse.  She took
 one look at me standing there, got a look of total panic on her face,
 spun the horse around like a top and tore off down the road in a cloud of
 dust.  I felt quite bad that she was obviously afraid that I (or someone
 like me) would surely hurt her or her horse. Given the look on her face
 I doubt she rides during the hunting season.  This area has quite a few
 riders and none have been hurt to date. Well it's nice to hear that you
 have taken a few simple steps and ride where you want. As well you should
 be able to.


                                           John Labonte



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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Colt 45
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:55:58 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec14.073231.22070@doug.cae.wisc.edu> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
= 
= I thought that the classic colt .45 was the Single Action Army (i.e.
= peacemaker).

That was my first thought, too, but I guess classic, as many other
things, is in the eye of the beholder.  :)  I guess the double-
action revolvers have been around long enough that they, also, have
their classics...

= A lot of companies (imports) make replicas in the $400-$800
= dollar range and colt makes it in the You've-got-to-be-kidding price
= range. I believe that Wesson Firearms and S&W make DAs in .45 Long Colt
= but how they compare to a classic DA I don't know. I have no idea
= whether Taurus, Rossi or the others make DAs in .45 LC.

For anyone interested in the SAA (Single-Action Army, not single-
action automatic :) according to an article in the current issue of
Guns magazine, Colts is making a limited run again.  I believe it
is described as "fourth generation."  Wish I could afford one--or
an original....


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton)
Subject: Nice Gun or Hunting Clubs?
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:44:46 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I'd really like to find a nice "hunting club" with a lodge-like
atmosphere that isn't out in the middle of Wyoming or somewhere.  I
recently "won" a free round of sporting clays or pheasant hunt at a
hunting preserve east of Sacramento.  I erroneously got the impression
>from talking with someone on the phone that it was a fairly nice club
(here I picture a nice big stone fireplace, mooseheads on the wall,
rich panelling, lots of leather lazy-boys, bear rugs, maybe even a
library, and maybe a decent restaurant cooking wild game).  Well,
let's just say that was a FAR cry from the "double-wide" mobile home,
chili-burgers, and pick-ups that I found.

I know, I should have been born 100 years ago when hunting clubs were
like country clubs in both style and number.  Can you believe that
around the turn of the century shooting was about the #1 national
pastime?!  Annie Oakley was a national treasure -- today, she'd be
labeled a gun nut and lunatic NRA extremist...

Anyway, are these establishments extinct, or do you know of any still
around?  It would be nice to haunt such a place, hear the stories,
talk to gentlemanly old bwanas about the good old days, learn a thing
or two, see the slides and videos of African safaris, upland bird
hunts, and elk hunts, ogle the old double shotguns and express rifles
(and maybe handle or even shoot a few!), and generally soak it all in.

*Sigh*  And then I wake up and realize it's not 1910, and the "class" of  
the old days has largely gone out of our sport.  Maybe it's just natural.  
Or maybe it's the grim, functional looks of the Glocks and M-16s, devoid  
of any craftsmanship or character, beautiful woodwork, or engraving.  Or  
perhaps it's movies with Swarzeneger-types man-handling rotary canons and  
robots firing lasers that inspire the kids today?  Certainly the press has  
played it's part in portraying all guns as evil symbols of crime, death,  
drugs, and urban decay.  In any event, something seems to have killed  
America's romance with our shooting and hunting heritage...

Well, I begin to ramble...  If anyone knows of an anachronism out
there called a hunting or shooting lodge/club, something like what may
have been in the old days, please post it for the rest of the
throw-backs out here like me.

Thanks,

Robert

Obviously speaking for me and not my company!


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From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Lurker Questions -- Why always after bucks, not does
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:47:50 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

sarah@cs.arizona.edu (Sarah M. Officer) writes:

>Anyways, back to the subject of shooting bucks, I would 
>suspect that since one buck can impregnate multiple does,
>thinning out the buck population can be done without changing
>the number of fawns the following year.  This may have
>something to do with why most tags are for bucks.

You hit the nail squarely on the head, Sarah.  I do most of
my hunting in Pa., and for years it was "bucks only", because
they were building the herd.  Now, due to that practice, as
well as tradition, Pa. has a deer herd that approaches 2
million animals;  unfortunately, they're mostly does and
< 1 year old bucks.

They are now issuing multiple doe permits to get the population
back into balance, but the old ways die hard.  They still have a 
2 week "bucks only" season, but only a 3 day (during the week, so
nobody except people able to skip work can take part) doe season.  
Hopefully, they will eventually go to an "either sex" gun season, 
like we have in Ohio.  This would be of great benefit to the "meat 
hunter" and would also serve the state's game management goals of 
reducing the overpopulation of does.


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From: cavallar@cyber.net (Mark A Cavallaro)
Subject: Wolves! They're back?
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:25:50 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

The latest issue of Western Outdoors has a lengthy article on the pros
and not many cons of reintroducing wolves in the west.
Any of you folks read it, or care to open a thread on this subject?

Mark Cavallaro
cavallar@cyber.net

BTW - I am still searching for a truck - as carefully as all of you advised.
I feel a whole bunch more confident I will get what I need. Many Thanks.



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From: jswan@elaine45.Stanford.EDU (Jerold Loren Swan)
Subject: Russell Canadian knives
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:34:32 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



Does anyone have the address or phone number for Russell Canadian knives?

Please respond by email.

Thanks alot,

Jay Swan
jswan@leland.stanford.edu


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From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Subject: Re: Questions from a lurker
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:35:18 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec11.075425.14316@doug.cae.wisc.edu> rewald@stsci.edu writes:
>From: rewald@stsci.edu
>Subject: Questions from a lurker
>Date: 11 Dec 92 07:54:25 CST
>Hi, 
>   It's your friendly lurker again!
>
>I like reading your trip reports and am really amazed at how well you
>all seem to do in tracking and finding your way around in the woods,
>even carrying out what sound to be pretty large animals.
>
>   I do have a question though, for the deer hunters (well, maybe a
>couple of questions).  I hope they don't sound like flames; I'm just
>wondering.
>
>One: Does the meat from bucks and does taste the same?  I would think
>that buck meat would be tougher and stronger tasting. (or is that a
>good thing?  I haven't had a chance to eat much venison...)

IMHO, deer, like people are what they eat.  I prefer a nice young,
grain-fed, doe that has been dropped with one shot to the heart/lung
area while at rest.  A great many other factors are also at play in
determining the flavor of venison (as any other meat).  Some factors
are age, level of stress at the time of death, general condition, and
so on.  The method and care in both field dressing and final dressing
the meat are also important.  Feces and urine will taint or ruin meat,
as will glandular secretions (especially in males).

Really, nothing is simple!

>Two: It seems like everyone is going for the bucks, and will settle
>for does if they *really* have to.  Given the current over-population
>of deer in many places, would it make sense to harvest more does for a
>little while?  Then there would be more food for the bucks, and the
>young ones that are produced would be bigger, stronger, etc.  Or are
>these just naive thoughts?  Or is this all taken care of by the folks
>who issue the tags?

Not me.  See above.  The wildlife folks do try to manage the herds, at
least here in NC.  They often meet resistance from hunters that don't
understand and/or recognize the relationship between herd size and
quality.

>   I'm the one who was asking about safety in the woods for
>non-hunters a couple of months ago.  I'm pleased to report that so
>far, so good!  We haven't been shot at :-), although I'm still a
>little nervous when the lighting is less than optimal.  I have
>definately quit wearing a white helmet (too much like a deer's
>behind), and I wear as much hunter orange and I and my horse can
>manage (I'm making a kind of orange cover to put over his mostly white
>rump.)

>Thanks!    Rosalie

I am sorry to report that I, myself, do not consider going into the
woods during deer season, except on land CONTROLLED by my club.  I
don't even feel safe on woodland that I own.  Idiots! Idiots! The
world is full of idiots.  Sorry, I digress.  Your use of orange in
profussion is very wise.

Also, let me compliment you on the fact that you have set about to 
understand the viewpoint of the responsible hunting community. 

Thank you for that.

DGA




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