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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Barfalicious Tunes and Artists

Two clarifications: I'll post the names of respondents but not their
votes.

Also, don't make any assumptions about the depths of my ignorance.
If you hate Beethoven's Eroica Symphony, for example, please label
it as Symphony No. 3 (Eroica) if you happen to know that.
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Subject: Bluesy AC/DC
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:35:52 GMT
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Leonard said:

<there was some nice music playing (real bluesy) i said who is that and
<much to my suprise he said AC/DC i asked was the rest of the album that
<way and he said a big NO, but i liked that song the others i heard by
<AC/DC i did not like.

Sounds like you heard the song "Ride On" from _Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap_.
Yeah, it's a pretty cool little tune.

Later,

Bob T
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:14:00 EST
From:         JBRIN@WNEC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Xenakis

Hi Mike,
     You posed some tough challenges.  Since I couldn't come up with a
universally acceptable definition of music to have on your desk by 9am,
there seemed no point in tackling the others.  I'll take back my comment
on electronic music as a claim, and merely clutch it tightly as an opinion.
                                      Jack
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:54:06 MDT
From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Albert Ayler

Mr. Jazz lips (Jeff) teased:

>There is a larger ensemble on the ESP disc NEW YORK EYE AND EAR CONTROL.
>It also basically a blowing date too.

Now this sounds enticing...  :*)

Ornette's "Virgin Beauty" is still one of my favorite jazz tunes... it is
incredibly erotic.

Hormonely yours,
Carol
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:13:57 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2
              5 Oct 1992 12:44:15 CDT from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:44:15 CDT crispen said:
>gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL sez:
>
>>Besides, I would hardly call Enya Foxy Bob a pimple faced kid. :-)
>
>Hey, is Lenny trashing Geoff Tate?  OK, here's my 5 top singers:
Lenny doesn't know who Geoff Tate is, and did not call any allmusicer
a pimple-faced-kid,but i think the charts for the most part seem to imply
that the ones who support the music i spoke of are mainly adolescents
L."pimple-less"W.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:54:22 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: halloween

Halloween tunes?

1. "Dazed and Confused (live)" Led Zeppelin
2. The entire Mr. Bungle CD
3. "Witches of Eastwick" soundtrack
4. "Hell" from _Heaven and Hell_, Vangelis
5. Theme from "Psycho"
6. "Psycho Killer", Talking Heads
7. Theme from "Reanimator"
8. "Ghost Town", The Specials
9. "Hey Little Twelvetoes", Multiplication Rock

A mix of the macabre, the tortmentful, and the absurd.

Mike Masuda.
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: you don't get hands like that from squeezing lemons

Carol says:

>>        The single, "Rubbin' In The Dirt", is commercial -- but it's a Gabrie-
>>lish commercial taste, so it's catching but not compromising. And the closing
>>track "Secret World" is possibly one of the best of the entire album.
>
>Isn't it "Digging in the Dirt" or are you referring to another song on the
>album... and if so... does PG have some kinda dirt fetish?  ;)

        Is it "digging", really? I've got a memory failure on this one. Yep,
I mean the single, though. There's another Peter (Hammill) on the song. Dig-
gers can easily hear him sing in the very last seconds. It's the low low low
voice. :)

>Marco, have you heard Daniel Lanois's album _Acadie_?  He works with Malcolm
>Burn and Eno and it's nothing short of wonderful.  It includes a real cool tune
>called "Ice" that makes me shiver.  :)

        Hee. I was the only one in town who bought it. I agree with you 100%,
it's one of the best records I've ever heard. Hmmm, you gave me the right hint
about what to play tonight :).

>I've been a lookin' for it but without any luck... it hasn't arrived in shops
>around here yet...  :(

        The official date of release is tomorrow, apparently. I was quite puz-
zled to find it, in fact.

        On another subject, fans of cult artists believe they're alone, often.
Well, the ph7 list, born more or less 1-2 weeks ago got to *43* subscribers
these days. Incredible, isn't it? Hammill makes people come out of nowhere,
apparently. And, would you believe it, no noise at all...
        Join in, join in...: listserv@bnf.com. Subscribe ph7.

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:56:51 CET
From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      Singers

Oooh, we're doing a list of our favourite singers, lessee...

Male (in no particular order)

Shaun Ryder      }  These two because they're so
Bobby Gillespie  }                              bad they're brilliant
Hugh Cornwell
Robert Calvert
Nick Cave

Female (once again in no particular order)

Eve Libertine
Julia Fordham
Gilli Smyth (only for her space whisper)
Vi Subversa
Bessie Smith

And for an in-betweenie, that chap from Bronski Beat.

Seb 'List making is so pointless really' Welton

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:13:12 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2

Oh, Jesus. . .

Can you guys get offa this blues thing?  Or take it over to private e-mail?
Unless there are those allmusicers that like reading a juicy fight.  However,
most of us can see that this is pointless--Leonard, however wrong he may be,
thinks the blues is god, Gary thinks metal is god, and the Bloomster has
another excuse to post 200-line entries on the net.  ENOUGH ALREADY!!

New thread:
Can someone tell me if it's worth subscribing to the Columbia CD club?  You
know, the one where you buy 10 CD's for a penny?  I know you have to buy more
within a certain time frame; overall, is it worth it?  The CD prices run
between $11 and $15--I'd kind of like the convenience of ordering by mail. . .

Michelle "getting a headache" May
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Date: 5 Oct 92 16:08:24 GMT
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:00:43 EDT Michael H. Bloom said:
>From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
>Subject:      Standards "diva"-eation
>
>> And what prompts a talented singer/songwriter to put out an album of
>standards
>> if it's not quite in their league to do so? Are they all Sarah Vaughan
>> wannabees? Should we blame Linda Ronstadt? Rickie Lee Jones? Elvis Costello
>> (in the country mode)? Am I asking dumb questions? Will you ignore this post
>> altogether?
Linda Ronstadt was raised with that type of music if anything to me it impresse
s more than some jerk band trying to sell records, instead of doing what you
feel and pleasing yourself first and foremost. This should be a lesson to
all those lackluster groups that are currently putting put inferior material
as far as Sinaead goes she sucks period I wouldn't let cut my grass

>From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
>Subject:      Re: CMA
>
>> (i can't believe you don't like blues)
>
>Why not? As a friend of mine used to say, "If I only knew three chords, I'd
>have the blues too!"
He obviously can't play them....THATS BULLSHIT
Playing and saying are two different things in order to play the blues you
have to have feeling and a love for the music and be willing to accept the
fact that pimple-faced kids are going to listen to queensryche and assorted
emotionless trash. Rock and Roll is not inferior donny osmond is not inferior
for that matter it just sucks IMHO. If you get off on music the blues should
move you, because it is music at it's purest form, and come straight from the
heart. I wasn't knocking any form of music i have my opinions and they
disagree with yours and if i ever agreed with you i would give up listening
to music. Country is fine, R&R is fine, whatever moves you,

>Listen to the music, and ignore the labels, why don'tcha?

Follow your own advice and listen to music and leave the trash alone
You obviously don't know anything about the blues or music for that matter
You pissed me off....sorry.....I don't take ignorance lightly............

L."don't touch my blues" W.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:20:02 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Tom Waits

     Okay, I'm sorry I forgot that I don't work on Mondays so this
info is later than promised.  Sue me, I'm a student you won't get much.

Here's some of the more interesting tidbits from the Oct 8, 1992 issue
of _Reflex_ Magazine.

The deliberate "sacriness" of *Bone Machine*.

Tom's stress-reducing-drum-therapy.  Basically beating the hell out a drum
until you feel better or the drums break.

"People today kill for tennis shoes.  Listening to the wrong music can get
you blown in half." --TW  Yeah, I figure Tom mmust be hiding on the list
sommewhere too.

"A lot of what you're hearing on the record is music's underwear, not the
music." -- TW in reference to a question regarding his affinity toward
less sophisticated recording equipment, i.e. "pawnshop tape recorders"

His benefit for the L.A. riots with Los Lobos.

Of other interest, the mag also has an article on the Ramones, Throwing
Muses and the kings of hefty grunge -- Screaming Trees.

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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:29:14 MDT
From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Xenakis

From: JBRIN%WNEC.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU

>One man's circuit is another man's blown fuse. Electronic Music is an oxymoron.

A "meaningful one-line message" is another oxymoron.

Carol "I must be taking smart-ass lessons from Tim" F. Watson
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:18:07 EDT
From:         "(Gary Hanley)" <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: Halloween Music
              at Sep 25, 92 9:00 pm

	"Everyday is Halloween" by Ministry!

--
Regards,
    Gary Hanley
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Rova saxophone quartet in Chicago
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:33:56 GMT

Saw Rova last weekend in Chicago as part of the New Music festival.
I already have two Rova albums, so I knew how good they are.
They lived up to their promise in every way.
They are one of the most exciting groups in the music today.

What seems to be their strong point is that there are no weak points ;)
No matter what they play, it always works.  They have the sense of where
they can play as a single voice: four extremely contrapuntal voices resulting
as one music.  In this regard, they rival the finest classical music string
quartets. 

As for their music, it ranges from avant garde atonal (a la Braxton or
the extreme angular music in a post Webern style) to traditional jazz
saxophone section writing (but only for a second!) from big band; with many 
moods, styles, and densities in between (there was a piece dedicated to John 
Cage). Primarily, they come from an avant garde of open forms, fragmented
counterpoint, saxophone multiphonics and extremely structured angularity.

A common technique is to pair the quartet into two twos, the lower horns 
repeat a funk or blues bass riff, albeit in a non-4/4 meter so it sounds like 
it has extra beats.  The other horns plays something without the extra beats,
so it phases around like minimalism.   Of course, unlike minimalism, they 
don't do it for two hours, they use that sound as a point of departure for
improvisation.  In another piece (When The Nation Was Sound) starts
with a drone played by two tenor players, getting the kind of airy
resonance you get from a didjeridoo (sp) while the other soprono saxes
present a sparsely jagged landscape.  They played some tunes composed by
the members of the quartet, as well as Wayne Horvitz and John Carter.
All with excitement and urgency, making it one of the best concerts I
have seen this year.  Don't miss Rova if they play near you.  They come
to play.

Jeff


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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:29:07 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Angelo Badalamenti

     I'm sitting here listening to the original _Twin Peaks_ soundtrack
(that's the series not the movie) and was wondering what the general
consensus was on dear, demented Angelo.  Seems to me he has the uncanny
ability to make seemingly innocent "lounge music" take on a sinister edge.
Some of his tunes really get to me.  I wanted to also know if anyone has the
new movie's soundtrack and what their thoughts are on it.  I only got the
sountrack from watching the movie, but there are some pieces on their
that sounded really cool.

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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:25:43 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%PCB=Sys=Int%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      doors, windows, and prokofiev

From:           V5151U%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU
Date:           Tuesday, October 6, 1992 at 9:39:00 am CDT

>ARE THE DOORS THE BEST OR WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????

yes.  i find them exceptionally convinent for entering and exiting rooms.
however, in our zeal for doors, we should not overlook the importance of
windows.  for instance, the weather has been warm here during the day and
cool in the evening, and i would like to open the windows and let the house
cool down, but, alas, they have all been nailed shut.  microsoft is
evidently making lots of improvments with windows/nt, but i'm kind of
skeptical.  i prefer the NeXT enviornment over any of the other so-
called "window" packages.

perhaps you might find someone to take up this discussion with you
privately.  this is a music list, certainly not a forum for discussing
doors, windows, or any other kind of portal.

omc:  i picked up a cd this weekend with prokofiev's _symphonie classique_.
i've listened to it three or four times, but it's just not doing it for me.
any suggestions on another direction to try with this guy?  i got another cd
with _peter and the wolf_ narrated by sting.  it mostly alternates the music
and narration, but it seemed to me that it might work well with the narrator
speaking during (along with) the music.  are there other renditions done this
way?  what do ya'll think?


lee

ps.  gary, i used three capital letters.  did you notice?  ;)
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Albert Ayler
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:23:14 GMT

In article <9209301911.AA04697@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> writes:
>Gosh I just can't HEAR any "simple folk melodies"--but that will be interesting
>to listen for... hmm, do you mean blues melodies? what exactly do you mean here
>by "simple folk melodies"???

>  It is interesting that one of
>> the first free jazzers goes back to New Orleans the way he did.
>
>Who are you referring to here?

The simple folk melodies are more in the themes than the improvisations.
However, Ayler can be a very melodic player, so it happens there too.
But if you look at the themes, they melodies are very simple, and echo
the music from New Orleans (especially in the funeral dirges).

There is much to what Michael Bloom says on Gospel, but I would also add
the New Orleans marches.

>the hardest thing for a first-time listener is differentiating--
>at worst it comes across as "shrill"--I tend to have a hard time with upper
>registers and prefer bass... so that stands as something of a barrier for me
>
>> the rhythmic energy on two planes.  1.  Vibrato  2.  Density of his
>> sound.  He uses multiphonics on his sax, that is to say, plays more than
>> one note at a time.  It might be similar to a guitarist using a wah-wah
>> on a fuzz tone, at least conceptually.
>
>do "multiphonics" happen more easily in the upper registers; is that why Ayler
>stays "high" (in a manner of speaking)?

It is easier to bend notes and get a wide fast vibrato.  But he uses
some low notes as a pivot point, much like the left hand of a stride piano
player.  Not that he is getting the stride walk...

>> Ayler is perhaps the most
>> primitive of the jazz avant-gardist.
>
>exactly what do you mean by "primitive" here? that can mean all kinds of
>things.... I'm just curious, not being difficult

Well, if you look at the other major avant garde artists at the time,
they are coming from a very sophisticated view.  Coltrane's music in the
50s was very advanced harmonically, on the order of a Wagner or Mahler.
While Ornette Coleman was not chromatic like Coltrane, if you look
his tunes, there is quite a sophistication in the melodies and phrase
structure.  Likewise with Eric Dolphy.  Cecil Taylor was a piano
virtuoso, and had mastered both tonal and free atonal domains.
Ayler didn't really have any of this going, except his style of playing
the saxophone.  He did pick drummers that broke up the regular pulse.
And Ayler went back to the traditional New Orleans style and
counterpoint.  But he did it in an avant garde way.

>> said to Ayler:  "You play the way I heard myself play in a dream, but
>> haven't yet been able to figure out how to play."  Pretty good
>> endorsement.
>
>   wonderful quote--where do you get these great lines?

I read it somewhere

Other information was covered from other posters. thanks.

Jeff
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From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: XTC

Dear jcs,

  'Downtown Train' is NOT a Rod Stewart song - it originates from the
pen of Tom Waits.

Paul
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:06:33 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Xenakis

On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:14:00 EST <JBRIN@WNEC> said:
>Sticks and stones won't make electronic "music" music.  It may be great
>stuff, but Music it ain't.  Luning
>(oops)  Luening and Ussachevsky made some great cases for the possibility,
>but that was probably before Rick was born.

If you're talking about the year Leuning and Ussachevsky (among others) founded
the Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center (1951), you're absolutely right.
I was born 6 years later. Does that strengthen your argument?

>                                                               I'm not
>opposed to electronic sounds, but to calling them MUSIC.  You won't find
>Subotnick and Sibelius in the same bin.

Oh, if I understand your point, you determine that a specific recording is
music only if it is in close proximity to that of a Finnish composer in a
record shop? So, Scottish bagpipe tunes don't qualify by your definition.
>                                                 J.B.
Sorry, J.B., I'm not trying to be obnoxious with you (although unsupported
blanket statements tend to bring it out in me.)  Something REALLY bothers you
about electronic music so much that you can't communicate clearly about it.
When did this originate, and why do you get all steamed up about it?

Trying to be understanding,
Rick
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:30:21 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Separated at birth?

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:09:04 EDT Michael H. Bloom said:
>From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
>Subject:      re: Re: Announcement
>
>> Cavaleria Rusticana: Turiddu gets killed in the duel.
>
>From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
>Subject:      re: "SOME GAVE ALL"
>
>> Duel of the Year - Brooks & Dunn
>
>You guys are closer than you dreamed. Mwaaahaaahaaahaaa...

Ooohh, Michael, you hit a nerve. My mother has A LOT of explaining to do.
Well it's off to the shrink I go,
Ri (suddenly traumatized) ck
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Merci

Quel sujet?  Vous n'avez pas du ligne de sujet.  Hace mucho an~os que
estudie' francaise.

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