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From: lorange@spot.Colorado.EDU (LORANGE HANS P)
Subject: Re: trip to Disneyland with 4 year old
Keywords: Disneyland
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:07:41 GMT

wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe) writes:


>especially since my 4 1/2 year old daughter, Elizabeth, and I 
>hope to go to Disneyland!  We're going for her aunt's wedding,
>but we REALLY REALLY want to spend a day at Disneyland. 

We went with a 3 1/2 year old a couple of years ago and all had a great time.
A couple of suggestions -  if you can split it over two days and therefore 
leave in the middle of the afternoon when it is hotest and the most crowded,
that can make it easier.  If not, get a stroller.  I know your daughter will
say she is too old and she probably is, but they are free and can be used to
carry your lunch, backpack, whatever and maybe give her a ride later in the 
day when she gets tired.  You also can leave them outside of a ride and if it
is gone when you get back, just show your receipt and get another one.  
The ride for Dumbo was long but he loved it.  Mr Toads Wild Ride and the
Mad Hatters Tea Party were also favorites.  It's a Small World was fun and
our son enjoyed The Pirates of the Carribean (he was a little scared the first
time but then talked us into going back again).  The Submarine Ride was also
fun.  He didn't want to go (and wasn't big enough for some) on any of the
roller coaster type rides but enjoyed the space travel ride which name escapes
me (not Space Mountain but the other one).


Have a great time; we sure did.

Hans


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:02:22 GMT

In article <21489@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>jlt>
>|> >I recommend US Savings Bonds.  They are a safe long term investment (as
>|> >safe as US currency) and if you make them out in the children's names and
>|> >keep them in a safe, the children get a big kick out of seeing their very
>|> >own money.
>
>M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
>|>   If you make them out in your own name, you get some sort of tax break
>|> when you use them for tuition when the kids are in college.  But they must
>|> be in your own name and this benefit applies to recent bonds (after
>|> 1989?).
>
>There's also an income cap.  Personally, I plan on making too much
>money to qualify for this one.
>
 
 The income cap put me off a little, too.  But:  I had my first child at
39 and another at 41.  In the 18 years ahead, perhaps the income cap will
change (I think this is likely).  I may be unemployed by the time college
tuitions need to be paid - lots of things can happen (I could be a widow,
God forbid!).  Just being conservative.
 Taxes don't have to be paid until you cash in the bonds (an option) and
you can hold the bonds for a long time.  There is no tax advantage to having
the bonds in the child's name that I can see.
 
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: Re: Switched at Birth
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:42:25 GMT
Summary: what if the other baby had lived?

In article <1992Aug25.151348.17567@cs.unca.edu>, stigle@cs.unca.edu (Sue Stigleman) writes:
> 
> I watched a little bit of "Switched at Birth" the last two
> nights, but was upset and turned it off.
> I'm not sure why I react so strongly to the story.
> 
> (For people who may not be familiar with the story, a couple
> discovered that their daughter, who died in childhood of
> a heart defect, was not their biological daughter.  They
> went looking for their biological daughter, who had gone home as
> another couple's daughter, and have found her.

I had read about this and then watched the movie.  I also saw the dad
of the couple who still had a living daughter on Oprah the next day.

When I watched the movie, I for the first time realized what a
terrible thing had happened to the couple who raised the daughter
who died.  Their child died of a disease that they could do nothing
to prevent and treat.  They loved that little girl very much.  It
was only after that, that they discovered that biologically, this was
not their child who died.  Had the babies not been switched, they
would have been spared all of that pain.  Their biological child
didn't have a heart defect, and she was still alive.

The woman who raised the living child had already died herself by
the time this was discovered, so her husband was raising the little
girl by himself.  He loves this child very much, too, and she loves
him, and neither one of them wants her to go and live with this
other family.  This other family are her biological kin, and she
has brothers and sisters there who feel an attachment to her.

It's a terrible situation.  The couple who raised the girl who died
have nothing to lose by trying to get custody of the living girl,
and the man has everything to lose.  I wonder what would have
happened had the first girl not died?  Would the couple who raised
her have wanted to switch kids?  Several years had gone by - the girl
was 9 or 10 or so when this first came out.  If someone showed up at
your door tomorrow and could prove that the child you were raising
was not your biological child but his/hers, would you be willing to
swap kids with them?  I knew by the time we had Maddie home with us
that this was *our* child, no matter what.  I confess that I feel
reassured when I see how much she looks like me and my sister and
how much her build is like Kent's family!

Kate Perkins
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:28:23 GMT

In article <117836@muvms3.bitnet> swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV) writes:
>In article <0eauIPO0hXuaQDnFs3@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
>> 	As I have said, I will probably rearange my schedule and drive miles
>> out of my way to keep my son off unsafe school buses.  I can only hope
>> that I convince him to always wear his seat  belt - I have some
>> confidence here.
>> 
>
>Sorry to be vague, but this became a secondary concern as these reports
>continued.  The lack of seat belts is the least of the safety concerns
>involving these busses, as far as I am concerned.  It seems that most
>of these vehicles are designed poorly in terms of where the fuel tank 
>is located and the construction of the fuel tank.  Additionally, these
>busses are also not being maintained well due to problems with 
>funding.  I listened to several "experts" express their view that only
>fools would allow their children on a typical school bus.    

May I add to the vagueness? A few years ago, around here (L.A.) there were
a lot of stories about how many of the bus drivers really werent suitable
to be driving school buses (or anything else). I remember that one of the
major companies was really bad about doing background checks on their
drivers, and there had been a rash of minor accidents.


I would probably opt to drive Jeffrey to school too. Lucky that many
parents can afford the luxury of this choice, but many cant, so it should
still be a concern.

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: RE: Birth Announcement: Twins finally arrive!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:30:08 GMT

For some bizarre reason known only to New England Telephone and God herself,
my post about the birth of my twins was really garbled.  I don't have the
time to repost it right away, but I promise I will do it in the next couple
of weeks, as what was missing was the actual BIRTH!  And, it was really
pretty interesting.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Marjorie	mrp@world.std.com
Graham and Gemma's tired but loving mum.
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: SCOLDING children.
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:14:51 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <180ti7INNms3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, obrien@sparc28.hri.com (Jim Obrien) says:

[Stuff deleted]

|> >    o   Is ignoring the child OK ?
|>      It's the *best* way to eliminate whining and tantrums.  Of course,
|> they need to see you have limits, too; perhaps if you're at home you could
|> have a rule saying a "bad mood" like that gets sent to it's room, and the
|> person can come down at any time, but without the mood.  It's tougher in
|> the car, I admit.  Sure, it's OK, if you can do it.

And don't forget distraction.  Often if I act silly with our 2.75 yo he
change his bad mood into a happy one.  He seems to really appreciate it,
as well.

It goes something like this:

Me:      "Patrick, are you an elephant?"
Patrick: "NO!" (Crying)
Me:      "Patrick, are you a kitty?"
Patrick: "No." (Wimpering)
Me:      "Are you a bloated sack of protoplasm?"
Patrick: "No" (Small smile)
Me:      "I think I saw a smile!  Are you a doggy?"
Patrick: "No-ho-ho" (Teeth showing in smile)
Me:      "Oops, I see your teeth!  Are you a belly-button?" (Tickle navel)
Patrick: "No-ho-ho-hee-hee-hee" (End of bad mood)
         etc.

The "I'm going to have to tickle you" game works, as well.

You're on the right track.  Just keep experimenting and find what works.

Good luck!

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: beginning discipline
Date: 28 Aug 1992 00:50:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: reserve "no" for special circumstances

In article <1667@shaman.wv.tek.com> alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:
>In a previous article, harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey) says:
>>I'd like ideas on beginning setting limits for our almost 10 month old 
>>daughter.
>>
>>When she gets into one of the areas which are off-limits, I've tried saying
>>"no" sternly, removing her to an acceptable play area, and perhaps giving
>>her a toy to distract her.  Lately when she hears me say "no", she turns and
>>smiles broadly or even laughs then continues with the unacceptable activity.
>>When I move her she usually immediately tries to return to the activity
>>which I had tried to stop.  Sometimes she cannot be distracted and begins to 
>>cry when I prevent her persistent attempts at the undesirable activity.  
>
>Also make sure there isn't someone else that is playing games with her and
>confusing her about the meaning of "no".
[...]


In our household, we use the term "off limits" for any area or thing
that Dylan is not supposed to enter/touch.  We reserve the word
"no" for serious stuff, such as a dangerous action (running into the
street).  I'm happy to say that our use of "off limits" has worked
very well.  Now, even if we're in a strange environment, all we need
to do is to tell Dylan that something is off limits, and he stays
away from it.  No, we don't use a cattle prod to get his compliance
:-).  Instead, months and months of consistently taking him away
from the off limits areas in our home have conditioned Dylan to
recognize that we mean what we say.  We also didn't want to overuse
the word "no" as some toddlers hear that word so often that it 
becomes meaningless.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Undifferentiated Attention Deficit Disorder
Summary: request for input; e-mail only please
Keywords: ADD, Ritalin
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:15:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu


(I no longer have access to misc.kids on a regular basis, so Diane Lin kindly
offered to post this for me; please reply via e-mail at the address below.)

We are faced with a problem involving our 8-year-old son, who has been
diagnosed [sic] with "Undifferentiated Attention Deficit Disorder" -- ADD
without the hyperactivity that often accompanies it.  Various strategies for
dealing with the problem are being discussed.  Among these are Ritalin
administered in lower doses than are normally given to kids who have ADD *with*
hyperactivity.  The situation is not clear-cut, and we are trying to figure out
what to do next.

I have no desire to re-ignite the Ritalin flame wars that flared up
periodically in misc.kids and sci.med, even though I'm no longer able to
participate in them. :-)  However, I would appreciate hearing from parents who
have fought the undifferentiated-ADD battle and are willing to discuss how the
battle worked out.  We have found the advice we've got from physicians, school
guidance counselors, psychologists, etc., conflicting, self-contradictory and
generally unsatisfactory; sometimes one must take the position that Mother (and
Father) know best...

Thanks for any help.  Again, please e-mail to the address below.  Diane has
expressed interest in getting an ADD FAQ entry going.  I can't maintain such
an entry myself, but would be willing to summarize responses for anyone who
can.  (If you don't want your response included in the summary, let me know and
I'll omit it.)

---
Bill Johnson				| "This is a bit complicated, so let
Los Alamos National Laboratory		| me explain it backwards."  (first
Los Alamos, New Mexico USA		| line of a memo from a fellow Los
!cmcl2!lanl!mwj (mwj@lanl.gov)		| Alamos physicist who will go unnamed)

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: I'm getting too big too fast!
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:03:10 GMT


(I apologize in advance for rambling!)

A little background first: at my 24wk checkup the doctor measured my stomach
and I was the size of a 28 wk pregnancy. I told her that big pregnant bellies
run in my family, which they do, very much so, but she scheduled an ultrasound
anyway to check the size of the baby and amount of fluid, both of which were
just right. so it's just me that's getting so big. Ok.

Now, yesterday I had another appt, I'm at 29wks and measured 35!! So I'm 6wks
too big. Also, from 20 to 24 wks I gained 8lbs and from 24 to 29 wks I gained
11lbs! And I'm not getting fat anywhere else, it's all going to my tummy. so
because I grew so much again the doc is making me come in for another ultrasound
(this will be my fourth) I reminded her about this hereditary thing and that the
last time the baby was the right size but she said that when she felt my stomach
it felt like all baby and that she wants to see the rate of growth,too. Obviously,
she's watching to see if the baby is getting too big in which case she may want
to induce me early (We know it's not twins  because I've already had 3 ultrasounds,
we would have noticed by now, I hope.) She said that if the results of this
ultrasound are normal then we'll forget about it for a while and pick up worrying
again at about 36wks. (Doesn't that sound reassuring?)

Anyway, I know it's not the baby. Every woman in my family has been like this. 
It's not that I want to refuse the ultrasound because there's always the chance
that something IS wrong so better safe than sorry. But I kind of feel like she's
not registering what I've been telling her. This whole thing is kind of nerve-
racking for me. (Actually, I'd be happy if the baby was getting to big because
at the size I am now I can't imagine what 2.5 more months of growing is going
to do to me!)

So, has anyone else out there had a pregnancy like this? I'd like to hear from
someone who's been through the same thing. I feel like an oddity or something!

-Jen (due 11-14)
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Late night bottles
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:40:40 GMT
Organization: GTEL

In article <1747@pacvax.UUCP> bl@pacersoft.com (Bill) writes:
> My son (22 months) is in between using bottles and cups, but at night he 
has 
> a bottle (of milk) before going to bed.  Usually half an hour or so.  We 
are 
> aware of the possible ramifications to his teeth, but he will NOT drink 
> anything else at bedtime (our fault I guess) and its the same thing when 
he
> wakes up in the middle of the night.  He doesn't always wake up during 
the
> night, but when he does, he wants milk and only milk.
> 
> Any suggestions of breaking him of this habit/security blanket?
> 
> Bill (father to Chase 22 months)

My son, almost exactly the same age, does the same thing (doesn't wake up 
at night, though).  The only time a bottle is mandatory is at bedtime.  
(Sometimes also in the morning, but not often).  I, too, would like to 
know of ways to stop this as our pediatrician is quite adamant that he 
should not be on bottles anymore.

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:18:34 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA

In article <cXo0PB5w164w@glnserv.UUCP>, kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
|> I have noticed that my 2YO son is almost to the point of outgrowing his
|> baby carseat. Since I would like to move him to the booster variety, I
|> would like to know what kinds are best. thanks.
|> 
|> PS: I saw some in a thrift shop that looked okay on the surface, but upon
|> closer inspection, I noticed each one had a small crack in the plastic. So
|> if you do want to buy one used, check it over VERY carefully. I think I'll
|> just get a new one.
|> 
|> * * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
|> 

I also have a question regarding when it's okay to use booster
seats versus regular car seats.  Is there a particular height/
weight??  Age??

Leigh Ann
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:21:12 GMT

In article <BtJMFG.517@acsu.buffalo.edu> gorman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne-Marie K. Gorman) writes:
>

I get the impression from your writings below that you are most definitely
a breast-feeding advocate, almost to the point of being anti-formula-feeding.
I hope your not, but that is the opinion you are conveying.  If it's not,
then maybe you should correct it...

>It's really hard, in my limited experience, to change someone's mind about
>breastfeeding.  My sister-in-law just had her baby two days ago. [Nancy H:
>if you are lurking, Bernadette Olivia was born at 1:09pm Sunday & weighs
>more than Sophie and Teresa did put together!!]  She absolutely refuses 
>to breastfeed, even for a few days (oh precious colostrum...), on the 
>grounds that then Daddy can't feed her too.
>
One, what is so "precious" about colostrum?  Sure, it's fine, but if a
baby doesn't nurse those first two days what's he missing that will
scar him for life?  My son (the second one) SLEPT those first two days
so by the time he began nursing, he got MILK!  So, he, too, missed that
"precious" colostrum even though he was nursing.


>(I'm not sure whether she means "I want him to have to share the work" or
>"I want him to be able to share the joy".)
>
Does it matter?

>She remained unconvinced by 
>(1) the fact that Daddy could give bottles and Mommy could nurse

And cause nipple confusion?  Gee, that could be more problems than it's
worth.  Besides, expressing milk can be intimidating. 

>(2) nutritional considerations

Ahem, but formula and breast milk are nutritionally equivalent (note that
I did not say "equal")

>(3) immunological consideration

While certainly good, breastfeeding does not guarantee that a newborn won't
catch cold.

>(4) financial considerations

Maybe she's got the money.  Besides, she'll probably end up buying
bottles and forumla anyway.

>(5) the example of a sister-in-law who's nursing twins

So?
>
>What can you do?
>

Nothing.  Nor is there anything you SHOULD do.  Some women choose NOT to
breastfeed.  Some infants choose NOT to breastfeed.  There is nothing you
can do or should do about either of them.  Just enjoy.


Jennifer
mother of one breastfed son and one forumlafed son--both by choice of infant!

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: joefw@eosdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joe Fulson-Woytek)
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent ....
Reply-To: joefw@eosdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joe Fulson-Woytek 
Organization: NASA/GSFC, Code 935
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:07:08 GMT

In article <92247.151717CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.131333.19807@schbbs.mot.com>, EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary
>Beth Northrup) says:
>>to "eensy weensy spider".
>>
>
>I thought it was the "itsy bitsy spider".

I have  been a firm believer that it was eensy weensy, while my wife is a
firm believer that it was itsy bitsy.  So whenever we heard a version being
sung, one of us would proudly note that it was the "correct" version.  I think
there are as many correct versions (eensy weensy) as incorrect ones (itsy 
bitsy).

Nothing like an early morning intellectually stimulating discussion.


Joe Fulson-Woytek
Code 902/Goddard DAAC
NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
joefw@eosdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Re: Travelling at 30 weeks?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:17:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.133719.29157@schbbs.mot.com> EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:

>In article <24383@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How late into your pregnancy is it safe to fly?
>> 
>> I had planned to fly from Baltimore, Md to Phoenix, Az for
>> Christmas, to visit my family.  My husband is very concerned
>> because I will be entering my third trimester (30 weeks).  He
>> feels because it is not an urgent situation, that we should
>> not take the risk.  I, however, am not sure of what risks there
>> are.  If anyone has any information or experience with this
>> type of situation, I would appreciate any and all replies.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Nancy
>> 
>> 

When I was pregnant with my first child, I was working for a software vendor 
as a technical support rep. and did alot of travelling.  I flew from Los 
Angeles to D.C. when I was in my 36th week.  I carried my own bags, sat 
through long meetings and socialized until late at night.  I felt just fine 
and my pregnancy went full term.  If I had felt tired or weak, I would've 
slowed down, but I felt just like I always did (except for first trimester 
queasiness), only better.  

I'm not recommending that everyone should do this.  It's just that it can be 
done without hurting your baby.  As others have said, you should ask your 
doctor what you can and cannot do.  My ob at the time told me to quit 
travelling after the 37th week.

- Cindy