HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jamshid@cgl.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Guenter Grass on Skinheads
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:23:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF
Originator: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu

Guenter Grass has been visiting the United States to promote the translation
of his recent novel "The Call of the Toad". He appeared in the National
Public Radio (NPR) program "Fresh Air" where he talked about his views
on the rise of Neo Nazism in the unified Germany. In a recent article in the
New York Times (NYT) he also talks about this problem. Excerpts from the
article are reproduced below. Part of the NYT text has been altered to include
passages from his interview with NPR.

     Mr. Grass points to the rise of fascists and neo Nazi activities among
     young people, pressures from many quarters to limit immigration, and the
     disaffection of people from former East Germany who are struggling to
     find their purpose in the new German colossus.

     "Many people from the East hoped to join the West with their own
     face, their own experiences, " he said. "But the West was coming like
     colonial masters, treating them like children. It was shock for many.
     They were astonished. There is no longer a wall or an iron curtain,
     but Germany is divided socially and economically. There are Germans
     first and second class. I am afraid this will take longer than the
     wall to fix."

     He said he believed that the violence against immigrants was not so 
     much an expression of true hate against outsiders as much as it is the
     weakest members of the German society fighting their own lowly status.

     "The hate between Germans is the root of this violence," he said. "But
     they know that they can not take on the other Germans, the stronger
     Germans, with their jobs and their money and their cars, so they go
     for the weakest. In many ways it is an expression of their own 
     self-hate, which was bound to happen with reunification. It is expensive.
     It is unsettling. An so the weakest of East and West Germany got
     thrown to the bottom, and they are fighting to be above somebody
     or really anybody. And who is beneath them? The foreigners.

     "But the most dangerous thing is we have skins in the Government,"
     he continued. "They are nicely dressed, they have ties and know
     how to use words to promote their agenda. They think the same
     way as the young kids who shave their heads and carry swaslikas
     and demonstrate. They want to use these kids to get rid of the
     foreigners. They encourage these kids and these brutal actions."

--jn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Barbara Nowak-Teufl)
Subject: Re: Dialekt / Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:26:08 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Wido Menhardt (wido@isgtec.com) wrote:
> Barbara Nowak-Teufl (barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at) wrote:
> 
> : Ich wuesste gerne mehr ueber den Unterschied  zwischen Platt und 
> : ostfriesisch. Kann jemand mehr darueber posten?
> 
> Hmmmm... Platt ist dem Hollaendischen recht aehnlich (flames, 
> flames, I'm sure). Ich spreche Hollaendisch, und verstehe 
> zumindest das Platt in der Umgebung von Hamburg und Bremen 
> damit ganz gut.
> 
> Friesisch (gesprochen in Friesland/Holland) hat mit Hollaendisch
> -so weit ich weiss- praktisch nichts zu tun. Was die Ostfriesen
> sprechen, weiss ich nicht ...
> 
> -wido

Danke. Das ist sehr interessant. Und jetzt koennten die flames
in Platt und Friesisch kommen, damit man die Dialekte auch wirklich
sehen kann!

Liebe Gruesse aus Wien! Barbara
--
Barbara Nowak-Teufl 		barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Import/Export Research
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:40:04 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to or from Germany? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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From: bobb@cabezon.uucp (Bob Boulanger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: _Inside the Third Reich_ by Albert
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:07:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Dec21.170735.13545
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <1473000061@igc.apc.org> lang@igc.apc.org (Andrew Lang) writes:
>
>Bob, I agree with your post, but is it certain that Speer supervised
>the constructin of the crematoria and gas chambers at the extermination
>camps? The camps were under the jurisdiction of the SS, which would
>have assigned contracts through its own economic office. I don't 
>believe that Speer's ministry would necessarily have been involved or
>consulted.
>
>(Not to set aside Speer's guilt for building up the Nazi war machine
>or his collaboration in the use of slave labor by his ministry.)
>
>Andy Lang

Perhaps "supervised" is a little strong. He wasn't on the construction
site on a day to day basis, so, in that sense, no he didn't supervise
the construction. However, as the Reich's Chief Architect, he he did 
design the facilities and held ultimate responsibility for their
construction, even though the SS were the "owners and contractors"
of the units, and would occasionally (frequently?) visit the 
construction sites.

Tschuess,
Bob Boulanger



-- 
Bob Boulanger
Logic Modeling Corporation
SmartModel Division
19500 NW Gibbs Drive
From: dziadzka@informatik.hu-berlin.de (M.Dziadzka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Mehr Nachtgedanken
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:16:42 GMT
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: hp832.informatik.hu-berlin.de

In article <uvt8s*vi2@mania.RoBIN.de> lkv@mania.RoBIN.de (Lutz Vieweg) writes:
>Wenn sich eines Tages zeigen sollte, dass die irdischen Ressourcen
>nicht mehr ausreichen, eine Menschheit am Leben zu erhalten,
>dann stirbt diese Gattung einfach aus - so einfach ist
>Evolution.

Ja, das wird sie wohl.

>Ich sehe im Moment noch keinen Grund, zu sparen - fuer meine
>Lebenserwartung wird's reichen.

Findest du das nicht etwas zu egoistisch gedacht ??

>> Das Herz sitzt links
>
>... mein Verstand nicht.. :)

Ich haette fast gesagt: Das ist dein Problem -- aber leider
bist du mit deiner Lebensauffasung auch das Problem anderer.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: This has gone far too far!!!!
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:02:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.162212.2947@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:

>In article <Dec.19.16.17.42.1992.22664@gandalf.rutgers.edu> deatz@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gregory H Deatz) writes:
>>
>>When I first started reading this newsgroup, I got the impression that
>>we were all just trying to discuss Germany's difficulties with
>>xenophobia and plain racism.
>>
>>NOT.
>>
>>What I have seen is a bunch of people insulting each other, telling
>>each other who is more racist, whose father can beat up whose father,
>>etc...
>>
>>By the way, DON'T e-mail if you have something to say to me about this
>>letter. Just post it to the board and I will read it. Hopefully you
>>won't attack me for having spoken my mind. (It seems that that is all
>>that ever happens).
>>
>>Order, order, order in the court!!!! We can't accomplish anything, or
>>have any meaningful conversations if we consistently insult each
>>other.
>>-- 
>>Gregory Deatz (All e-mail forwarded to deatz@gandalf.rutgers.edu)

>I hope this post doesn't offend your sensibilitys Gregory but your post
>smacks of the "Thought Police". Discussions of differences of opinion
>often become heated. If it's to hot stay out of the kitchen. I think
>it is quite presumptuous of you to tell other people to post in any manner
>you would prefer.
> 
>The net is not a UTERUS.
> 
I think you over-reacted to Gregory Deatz's posting, as he was responding to 
some truly thoughtless insults put on the net recently.  Also, I think that 
a newsgroup like soc.culture.german should be a place for well-thought, 
intelligent conversation, which requires civility and respect for others.  
Obviously, street arguments and bar room political discussions can get 
heated, but intellectual heatedness and pure insults and attempts to incite 
for the sake of simply stroking ones ego are beneath what a newsgroup like 
this should contain.  That isn't thought police, but rather a call for 
civility.  I teach courses in such things as American Foreign Policy, and 
during the Gulf War we had intense class debates on the topic.  I made it 
very clear that people have different perspectives and that one can usually 
respect a perspective without becoming abusive.  That doesn't mean that the 
debates didn't get heated, but they didn't get abusive.  A net like this and 
subject like suggests to me that most users are rather intelligent, 
interested individuals with varied political and social opinions.  Intense 
and heated debate is one thing that we should expect; abusive and insulting 
behavior is something people should speak out against.  Though I do agree 
with you that there shouldn't be a thought police or anything, that means 
that people 1) should be free to decry uncivil behavior on the net; and 2) 
it's probably best to ignore it.
  -- Servus,
      scott
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:9557 de.soc.politik:2852
From: hi61@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Deck)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.politik
Subject: Private Krankenversicherung?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:30:54 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mb70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

Guten Tag allerseits,

ich bin hier zwar off topic, aber da in dieser NG moeglicherweise eher
Leute lesen, die Erfahrungen mit privaten Krankenversicherungen haben,
starte ich meine Anfrage auch hier:


Fuer mich stellt sich im Moment die Frage, ob ich von der gesetzlichen
Krankenversicherung (GKV) zu einer privaten Krankenversicherung (PKV)
wechseln soll, da ich ab Januar ueber der Einkommensgrenze liege.

Die PKV wuerde mich derzeit ca. 200 DM pro Monat billiger kommen, bei
gleichen bis leicht besseren Leistungen.
(Genauer: 400 DM billiger, aber der Arbeitgeber zahlt die Haelfte.)
Nachteil: Die Beitraege koennen steigen, moeglicherweise schneller als
die Beitraege zur GKV.
Wenn alles so bleiben wuerde wie bisher, kaeme die PKV sogar fuer eine
Familie mit zwei Kindern noch etwas billiger als die GKV, falls die Frau
weiterhin arbeitet.

Fragen:

- Wer ist privat krankenversichert und kann mir seine bisherigen Erfahrungen
  mitteilen, vor allem in Hinblick auf Beitragssteigerungen?

- Wer hat Bekannte mit entsprechenden Erfahrungen?

- Die Situation im Rentenalter wuerde mich besonders interssieren.

- Die Meinung von Vertretern der PKV oder der GKV kenne ich bereits.



Vielen Dank im voraus,

Thomas.
From: thin@sbustd.rz.uni-sb.de (Thomas In der Rieden)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Looking for German equivalent of The Economist or Business Week
Date: 22 Dec 1992 09:53:54 GMT
Organization: Studenten-Mail, Rechenzentrum Universitaet des Saarlandes
NNTP-Posting-Host: sbustd.stud.uni-sb.de

I would advice you to read the "Spiegel", because it includes a lot of back-
ground information which you wouldn't find in other magazines. 

You can get it for student price at the following address:

ACADEMIA PRESS
Pressevertriebs GmbH
Postfach 10 55 66
6900 Heidelberg 1

Germany.

Just send them your address and of course a copy of your student pass.

Wish you a lot of fun with the "Spiegel".

Bye Bye Oliver !!!
From: barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Barbara Nowak-Teufl)
Subject: Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:34:31 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Thomas Deck (hi61@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
> In article <3897@isgtec.isgtec.com>, wido@isgtec.com (Wido Menhardt) writes:
> |> Thomas Deck (hi61@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:

[ deleted ]

> Ich koennte jetzt im Dialekt antworten, aber das waere doch zu einfallslos.

Des muass aun dia liegn.

> Ausserdem bin ich mir nicht sicher, ob Ihr die Tatsache, dass Illingerisch
> weitaus schoener als Wienerisch ist, so ohne weiteres verkraften koenntet.

Aha, Meu aufreissn ... Wos duasd as denn net? I waas zwoa ned, wo Illingen
is (is des in Schwoazwoid?), owa i maan, es warat ned schlechd.

> Also:
> Ich habe in obigem Absatz nur fuer mich gesprochen: Du brauchst also 
> keine Angst zu haben, die Deutschen tun Euch nichts.

Wissma eh. Es haum a bishea lauta liabe Leitln bosted und des in di
vaschiedanen Mundoaten - a echte Velkervaschdendigung! Gaunz supa!
Des is wirkli a Bereicherung.

> "Piefke" kann fuer mich uebrigens nicht zutreffen. Erstens liegt unsere
> Mentalitaet (d.h. die der Elchesheimer, Illinger, Auer, etc.) naeher bei
> der schweizer als (z.B.) bei der berliner. Zweitens ist mir
> Arroganz ebenfalls "aeuszerst verhaszt".

Ahjo.

> Falsch verstanden hast Du mich tatsaechlich: Mir geht es nicht darum, ob
> Ihr wienerisch oder sonstwie postet. Mich stoert lediglich Eure etwas
> ueberempfindliche Reaktionen auf in Hochdeutsch geschriebene Kritik.
> 
> Aber inzwischen habe ich deswegen keine schlaflosen Naechte mehr.
> (Ich gebe zu, letzte Woche wars schon hart, aber ein echter Deutscher steht
> das durch!!)
> 
> Gruss, Thomas.
> 
> PS: Ausserdem ist in Illingen das Wetter viel schoener als in Wien.

Des glaubsd du, owa des Weda in da Wachau is schener ois auf da 
Insel Mainau. Mia haum do Middlmeaglima. Und in Wean is rechd drucka.

Oiso Oida: bessa di! 
Griass eich olle midanaunda! Babara
--
Barbara Nowak-Teufl 		barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
Subject: Re: Christmas and Khanukah
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:01:05 GMT

Christine Detig (detig@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de) wrote:
: I know christian and pseudochristian Christmas habits from some experience, 
: but when and how and why is Chanukah celebrated?
: 
"Chanukah" means "rededication."  The holiday commemorates the military
victory led by the Maccabees over the Assyrians under King Antiochus and
the succeeding rededication of the temple.  There are two versions of
the miracle of Chanukah: The popular story is that the oil that was found
in the temple when the Jews regained it was only enough to light the 
lamps for one night, but miraculously burned for eight nights (thus
Chanukah lasts eight days).   The other version is that the Maccabean
victory against overwhelming odds was itself a miracle.

Chanukah is celebrated at a fixed date on the Jewish calendar, which is
lunar.  So the solar date of the first night can range from late
November to late December.  This year the first night was December 19.

Chanukah has no connection with Christmas; in fact, it is a much older
holiday.  Often they do fall close together, though.  Because Christmas
is such a huge deal in the U.S., Chanukah for many Jews in America has
taken on much more significance than it once had and still has elsewhere.

There is more to say about how Chanukah is observed, und ich wuerde es
auch gern auf Deutsch erklaeren, but that'll be it for now.  I'm
glad to answer any questions you might have.

Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas, 'nen guten Rutsch!

--
Davebo                    "Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard.
                           I just read the Daily News and swear by every word."
djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: vkapur@Cadence.COM (Vikas Kapur)
Subject: Looking for textbook
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:28:58 GMT

Hi all:
	I studied German in high school & the Max Mueller
        Bhavan (long ago!) in India. Among several texts
 	prescribed were the following

 	-Deutsch Sprachlehre fu"r Ausla"nder + glossar
 	-Deutsch 2000

	(please forgive any spelling errors - it *has* been 
 	a long time)

	I currently live and work in the Bay Area(California)
	and I would like to purchase these texts. If any of
	you have pointers to specific bookstores - locally
 	or otherwise - I would really appreciate hearing from 
	you. I've checked several local college bookstores but
 	drawn a blank so far.

	-Happy Holidays

	-Vikas Kapur
	-Member, Technical Staff
	vkapur@cadence.com 
 	555 River Oaks Pkwy
	San Jose CA 95131
	408 428 5875
From: hi61@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Deck)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:46:38 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mb30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

In article <BzJ3qo.Byx@mtholyoke.edu>, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
|> In article <1gnkd2INNq6l@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> hi61@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Dreck) writes:
       ^^^^^
Soviel zum Thema "beleidigend".

|> Meiner Meinung nach war Barbara's Artikel intelligent, amuessant, und
|> nicht im Geringsten beleidigend (vor Allem im Vergleich zu Deiner Antwort).
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^

|> Offensichtlich mit bestimmten humorlosen deutschen Spiessbuergern, aber ich
|> sehe keine Andeutung das Sie adererweisse Deutschen etwas entgegen hat.
|> 
|> ...
|>
|> Im Gegenteil zu Deinem Artikel, der in Intelligenz, Humor, und gutem Anstand,
|> wesentlich unter dem Durchschnitt liegt. 
|> 
Das ist also die Botzsche Aufklaerung ueber Intelligenz, Humor und guten
Anstand.

Oesterreicher oder gar Wiener bist Du wohl kaum.
Es ist wie mit dem Kampf um die Gleichberechtigung der Frau:
Die radikalsten (und laecherlichsten) "Emanzen" sind maennlich.

Spar Dir die Muehe, die Wiener koennen sich selbst "wehren".



Gruss, Thomas.
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 16:14:33 CET
From: <8925129@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: wienerisch dama redn



Seavas de Madln, seavas de Buam|

Gestan woas:
I geh so duach de Innanstodt, auf amoi fongts o zum fn noch Langosch, Pommes
und Zuckawottn- obwoi des jetza eh scho olle wissn sog i s trutzd{m, wo i woa:
am Kriskindlmoakt; no, i ge so a bissl ummadum, schtrawanzn, fri~ wos, auf amoi
siech i d{n Buagamasta, n'Z}k Hmal. Sog i :Daag, habe de a{, H{a Buagamasta|

I was ned, hod as ned gheat, oda woit a s ned hean, jednfois sogd a nix.
Sog i no amoi, oba lauta: Daaaag, habe de {a{, H{a Buagamasta||Schaut a wega.
Sog i"Kanschlumpf" zu eam, oba laut. Schaut a zeast bled, donn locht a und
ged weida. Auf des hod a nix sogn kenna, w des hod a buagnlandlarischa
Obgeoadnata in Londtog gsogt, oisdann, waun de Politika si des sogn deafn,
donn konn i des ah.
Ger i weida, siech nua lauda Schaas, auf amoi hupft ma a rotlackata Weihnochts-
mo auf de Zechn. Sog i wida "Kanschlumpf", legt a ma ane auf. Jetzt schaur i
bled. Woa a bissl betropezt. Ois i eam ane zruckduschn w}, is dea scho wega,
und i siech kaan Weihnochtsmo mea.
Oisdan bleibt ma nua des, dos i jetza was, dosd  nua an Bolitika Kanschlumpf
sogn deafst, w da Weihnochtsmon duscht da ane.

Schreibts as eich hinta de Uawaschln|
Jetza haur i mi wida iba de Heisa

Dastickts ma ned on de Weihnachtsgansln und basts auf auf de Weihnochtsm{na|

(Guido) Tschal{
From: 00lpjohnson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Help with a translation
Date: 29 Dec 92 07:40:19 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec28.163439@ece.arizona.edu>, evans@ece.arizona.edu writes:
> 
> Ich moechte helfen bitte.  Was bedeutet Schwerionenforschung auf English?
--research into heavy ions--
> 
> "...fuer die Anerkennung Ihres Praktikums bestimmte Taetigkeiten 
> nachweisen muessen. "
> 
--in order for you to receive recognition for your practicum, you 
must document specific activities--

> und
> "...um welche Taetigkeiten es sich dabei handelt."
> 
--which activities are relevant here-- (or: relevant in this matter)

Viel Glu"ck, 

Lathrop P. Johnson
Prof. of German
Ball State University
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Lichterketten
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:31:49 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Institute for Real-time Computer Systems and Robotics (IPR), Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: i61s4.ira.uka.de

In Karlsruhe sollen es nach Angaben der BNN (Badische Neueste Nachrichten)
sogar 120.000 Teilnehmer gewesen sein. Das sind beinahe 50% der Einwohner,
also wesentlich mehr, als man erwarten konnte. (Die Veranstalter hatten
gehofft, dass wenigstens 50.000 Leute kommen.) Es gab nach Angaben der Polizei
ueberhaupt keine Zwischenfaelle, Unfaelle, Ausschreitungen usw.
Daher: Hoffentlich hat sich's gelohnt, hoffentlich kapieren die Politiker
endlich, wo die Mehrheit steht. Noch ein frohes und friedliches Fest...
-- 


Stefan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mgill@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael David Gill)
Subject: Levern Germany
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:38:13 GMT

Thanks to those list members who gave me the info.  It is much appreciated.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: stocker@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (ERICH FRANZ STOCKER)
Subject: Re: wo i geh und steh....!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.090446.24282@siemens.co.at>, barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Barbara Nowak-Teufl) writes...
>arora@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
>> Can some one remember the text to the Wiener lied:
>> 
>> 	Wo i' geh' und Steh....
>> 	Tut mir mein Herz so weh....
>> 
>> ARORA@ecs.umass.edu
>> 
>> ****************************************************'
>> Let's create a soc.culture.wien
>> ********************************************************8'
> 
>Des is zwoa des Erzherzog-Johann-Lied und is a beliebtes Voiksliad 
>in gaunz Oesterreich - oba es mochd jo nix: wosd rechd hosd, hosd rechd!
> 
>Oba i find, es warat scho a besser, wauma soc.culture.oesterreich
>mochad.
> 

Des find i a besser.

>soc.culture.austria find i net so guad, wei's uns daun dauernd
>noch de hupfaden kengaruus frogn. 

Prima!!

>--
>Barbara Nowak-Teufl 		barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at


servus

Erich
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