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From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: [week] Re: Weekdays in other languages (was: ... Latin?)
Followup-To: sci.lang
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:18:16 GMT

In article <PFEIFFER.92Nov9093140@cix.cict.fr>, pfeiffer@cict (Daniel Pfeiffer) writes:
>En la germana iuj varias:
>
>mardo:		Dienstag	tago de la de^joro (kiam oni pagis la dekonon?)
>merkredo:	Mittwoch	semajnmezo
>ja^udo:		Donnerstag	tago de la tondro, komparu la angla thursday
>				de la nordika dio de la tondro Thor
>freitag:	Freitag		libera tago

I don't read Esperanto, so I'm not sure of the commentary on Dienstag.

However, in the prehistory of the Scandinavian languages, *-nr- becomes -rr-:

	*<TH>onr > <TH>orr

Writing this name with a single <r> is due to modern developments.  It occurs
doubled in Old Icelandic, for example.  Thus, German Donnerstag is not named
for Thor, but is directly named for *<TH>onr.

And Frei is the modern German form of the name of the goddess of love, *Frija,
and thus "libera tago"--which I assume means "free day" in translation--is
incorrect.
-- 
Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: gm115@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Gabor Megyesi)
Subject: Re: Weekdays in Hungarian (was: other languages)
Organization: DPMMS University of Cambridge
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:28:41 GMT

In article <43485@imag.imag.fr> maffray@imag.fr (Frederic Maffray) writes:

>OK, I understand that hetfo roughly means first of the week,
>szombat is a variant of shabbat, and vasarnap is market day.
>Also I surmise that pentek is from the Greek root meaning
>five. But the other three make no sense to me.  Are they
>derived from the name of some deities?  If not what is their
>origin and etymology?

To my best knowledge szerda, csutortok, and pentek have slavic origins, and
they mean the middle of the week, the fourth and fifth day, respectively.

Gbor
G.Megyesi@pmms.cam.ac.uk
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.philosophy.language
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:54:27 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I see two problems with sci.philosophy.language:

	(a) it will lead to even more cross-posting than we have now;

	(b) to a linguist today, philosophy of language is implicit in
the theories of language that have been and are being constructed; I
can see a great deal of "mutual misunderstanding" shaping up!

Still, I'm for it--with misgivings.  (But I would prefer sci.lang.pragmatics!)
-- 
-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
 OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor
From: esi001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Rip Tide)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: SYNTAGMATICALLY again.
Keywords: SYNTAGMATICALLY !!!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:10:29 GMT
Followup-To: esi001@uk.ac.cov.cck
Organization: COVENTRY UNIVERSITY , Coventry , UK.

> ... what SYNTAGMATICALLY means ...
 
>Could you post back to the list, if anyone asserts it means much more 
> "syntactically" or some notion of the 'ordering of lg elements' etc.

Well now I don't know what SYNTAGMATICALLY means , or what the reply means.

Someone out there must be able to explain in plain basic , he's an electrical
engineering student , english what it means.

 ******************************************************************************
 *            Rich.             *  My spelling is wobbly. It's good spelling  *
 *    esi001@uk.ac.cov.cck      *  but it wobbles and the letters get in the  *
 * He's not normal...Thank God! *   wrong places.           -Winnie the Pooh. *
 ******************************************************************************
 
P.S. Thanks to Ken for the one and only reply ( quoted above ) , I just thought
I'd try again see if I get a better response.

-- 
*********** My spelling is wobbly. It's good spelling but it wobbles ***********
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Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: peterw@lingua.cltr.uq.OZ.AU (Peter White)
Subject: Linguistics conference list
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:28:35 GMT

The Language and Technology Centre of the National Languages and
Literacy Institute of Australia has prepared an international conference 
list on linguistics, applied linguistics and related topics.  This list is
updated bi-monthly.  The latest update was on 1/11/92.  This list may
be obtained via anonymous ftp from lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au.  

Use ftp lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au 
At the login prompt, use anonymous
At the password prompt, type in your userid
At the prompt, cd nlia

file name is confasci.doc

We would appreciate any conference information on linguistics, applied 
linguistics, or related topics, to be sent to us.  This includes
announcements on seminars, symposia, colloquia, etc, which require a wide
distribution.  

Please sent your materials to the email address below.

Peter White
Information Services Manager
NLLIA/Language & Technology Centre
Centre for Language Teaching and Research
The University of Queensland, Qld 4072
Australia
peterw@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au
Xref: sparky sci.lang:7890 sci.misc:1763
From: ma@informatik.uni-kiel.dbp.de (Martin Ameskamp)
Newsgroups: sci.lang,sci.misc
Subject: 42, The Snark and the Hitchhiker
Date: 5 Nov 1992 08:12:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Kiel, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.informatik.uni-kiel.dbp.de

Hi there!

first of all, apologies for posting to these groups (sci.misc & sci.lang),
but we don't get the rec.* hierarchie at this place (disk space).

What I'm trying to find out is the origin of the number '42' (of obvious
importance in the Hitchhiker).

It also shows up, a couple of years before Adams wrote his books, in 
'The Hunting of the Snark', in 'Fit the First' where the forgetful Baker is
described:

	He had forty-two boxes, all carefully packed,
	with his name painted clearly on each,
	but, since he omitted to mention the fact,
	they were all left behind on the beach!

Does anyone know whether that was the first use of 42 or are there other
prcedents? (M. Gardner speculates that the use of 42 by Carroll has something
to do with the fact that he was 42 years old when he wrote the Snark (or
something along those lines, quoting from memory here))

Anyway, I appreciate all hints!

Martin
--
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Fax: ++49 431 8804054, Voice: ++49 431 8804474, 
email: ma@informatik.uni-kiel.dbp.de
Newsgroups: sci.lang,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.cognitive
From: "Michael Chui" <mchui@spinner.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Theories of meaning without formal logic
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:18:33 -0500

In article <1992Nov9.005957.7189@midway.uchicago.edu> gal2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Can anyone direct me toward any viable theories of meaning that do not
>postulate that some kind of truth functional logic is at the
>foundation of meaning?

Barwise, J. and Perry, J. 1983.  _Situations and Attitudes_, MIT Press,
Cambridge, MA.

	Spawned lots of work in the field of situation semantics.

Michael Chui
mchui@cs.indiana.edu
From: turkel@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Turkel)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Minimalist Paper mailing list
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:08:52 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca


Enough people expressed an interest in discussing Chomsky's Minimalist
paper, that I am going to try and set up a mailing list.  Now is your
chance to send me your "me too!"s and get in on the ground floor.  I
will post the details when I have set up the list.  

Bill
turkel@unixg.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: Weekdays in Latin?
Keywords: Sabbath
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:40:08 GMT

In article <peeters.721528824@tasman> peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters) writes:
>
>I hereby stand corrected. Could the Latin word by any means be a popular
>coinage somehow inspired by the Hebrew word "shabbath"?

Greek _sabatton_ and Latin _sabattum_ *are* the Hebrew word _shabbath_.
Direct borrowing.  


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From: richmo@carson.u.washington.edu (Richard Moe)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Wanted: WIN fonts for linguistic characters
Date: 14 Nov 92 05:49:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Looking for the above so I can print Anglecized Hindi.  Please E-mail me
if you know of anything.
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP (Rick Harrison)
Subject: seeking home for files
Reply-To: bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:54:21 GMT

Some volunteers and I are assembling a collection of files
known as the Universal Language Dictionary, an attempt to
list 2000 meanings and their equivalent words in various
natural and artificial languages.  In other words it's a
multi-lingual dictionary.  The problem is, I'm only a BBS user.
We need to find one or 2 ftp'able sites that will store these
files and make them available to people.  Any suggestions?
 
===
Rick Harrison   71174.2735@compuserve.com   peora!jwt!bbs-hrick
From: dvf@kepler.unh.edu (David V Feldman)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Is there an on-line directory of linguistics?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 07:32:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: worldwide
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

The American Mathematical Society makes its membership directory
available on-line  -- do any of the professional societies for
linguists do something similar?

David Feldman
Department of Mathematics
University of New Hampshire

Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: laakkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Laakkonen)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Q: online dictionaries?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:13:38 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

hi, this is my first posting to this newsgroup. all my postings here will
contain either "Q" or "A", depending on whether i wanna question or 
answer something.

i have done a small C program that reads a file that contains words from
two languages and "translates" the user's input. the file has to be of the
format (if it contains spanish and english, for example):

<spanish> <english>
<spanish> <english>
<spanish> <english>
<spanish> <english>

does anybody know where i can ftp such a file from? if there are many
such files, where is the best one?

thanks,
tero.
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Bailey's 1736 dictionary [001]: Decrepitation, Delight(3)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:22:28 GMT

These are taken from the second (Folio) edition of Bailey's dictionary.
(I also have the 3rd and 11th editions).
In general, I am not concerned with giving all meanings of a word, so that
there may be other meanings for `Delight'.  In the 3rd edition, Delight
is not listed at all, howver...
The SGML DTD is available on request.


*Decrepita'tion* [with _Chymists_] the crackling noise which arises from salt
being thrown into an enlarged earthen pot, when it has been heated red hot
over the fire.

*Delight* is painted in the figure of a youth in his prime, with an agreeable
aspect, clad in green, a colour delightful to the eye; a Garland of roses on
his head, a violin in his hand, a sword by his side, musick and other books
on one side of him, on the other two doves billing, and behind him several
people at a distance diverting themselves in different manners.


<ENTRY><HEADWORD>Decrepita&stress;tion</HEADWORD><DEFINITION>
<EXPLICATION>with <FIELD>Chymists</FIELD></EXPLICATION>
<TEXT>the crackling noise which arises from salt being thrown into an enlarged
earthen pot, when it has been heated red hot over the fire.</TEXT></DEFINITION></ENTRY>

<ENTRY><HEADWORD>Delight</HEADWORD><DEFINITION><TEXT>is painted in the
figure of a youth in his prime, with an agreeable aspect, clad in
green, a colour delightful to the eye; a Garland of roses on his head,
a violin in his hand, a sword by his side, musick and other books on
one side of him, on the other two doves billing, and behind him several
people at a distance diverting themselves in different
manners.</TEXT></DEFINITION></ENTRY>


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  Sent to do more than he appeared to have done.''   Wm. Cowper, Conversation
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: ritter@utrurt.uni-trier.de (frank ritter ldv)
Subject: need help finding reports on grammatical inference
Organization: University of Trier
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:11:23 GMT




Hi netters,
I am in the middle of my master thesis on grammatical inference
and dearly need to have access to the following articles:

Crespi-Reghizzi,S. / Mandrioli, D. :
Abstract profiles for context-free languages,
Internal Report 80-6, 1st di Eletrotechnica ed Eletronica del
Politecnico di Milano, Milan, Italy  (1980)

Crespi-Reghizzi,S. / Mandrioli, D. :
Inferring grammars by means of profiles: an unifying view,
Internal Report 80-3, 1st di Eletrotechnica ed Eletronica del
Politecnico di Milano, Milan, Italy  (1980)


Can You help me, since all searches here for the article has failed.
 I would appreciate it very much if you could send me the article if
 possible or any public acessible sources.
 Naturally I will cover postage, please contact me before you send
 the articles.

Would you be so kind as to also send me the adress of Prof. Crespi-Reghizzi ?

Thank you very much in advance. Please feel free to contact me if
you need some information.


                                           Frank




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From: bohn@utrurt.uni-trier.de (hartmut bohn ldv)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Machine Readable Data on Chinese Script/Language?
Keywords: Chinese, Characters, Script
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:40:18 GMT
Organization: University of Trier

Dear netters,

As I plan to do quantitative analyses of various aspects of
Chinese script and language, I wonder whether there is some
machine readable data on Chinese available from somewhere.

I already entered all GB characters (with Quwei-Code as key)
and all their pronunciations (Pinyin with tones), according
to Hanzi Shuxing Zidian. I only have to convert this file
into some database format.

Also, somebody scanned the character frequency list from
HZSXCD, but the character codes still have to be entered.

I am looking for the following data:

- Stroke number for every GB character (or BIG5 character).

- Stroke numbers of traditional forms of GB characters.

- Grapheme number and number of strokes of each grapheme for
  every GB character.

- Word lists with their frequency.

- Modern Chinese text in GB code (I know about and have access to
  Huaxia Wenzhai), preferably segmented into words.
		   -------------------------------
- A few Classical texts in either GB or BIG5 code.

- etc. ....

Does anybody have such data and is willing to share?

	Hartmut
-- 
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Walramsneustr. WG   /| |  |  |  -/--- __/_ |        Universitaet Trier
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Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: jano@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Jan Oudolf)
Subject: Swedish word-list
Organization: NIKHEFK
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:34:38 GMT

Hello,

Is there somebody who can oblige me with a Swedish word-list?
I study Swedish and I want to  create a WordPerfect spelling-list.
Thanking you in advance, 

Jan Oudolf	jano@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl
Newsgroups: sci.lang,soc.culture.esperanto
From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: [week] Re: Weekdays in other languages (was: ... Latin?)
Followup-To: sci.lang
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:08:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.092854.11194@rdg.dec.com>, cockburn@edieng (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov04.191634.18686@microsoft.com>, siobhan@microsoft.com (Siobhan Harper) writes...
>>In article <1992Nov3.195527.24256@efi.com> dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung) writes:
>>>     Is it not wonderful that the whole world use the same schedule of
>>>"weeks"?  I think that the "week" is more popular and more important than
>>>Roman months, Chinese months, or even my "equinoxal months".
>>>
>I think Welsh is the only IE language to have the full set of weekdays
>named after the sun and planets 

Presumably you left out the word "modern" after "only"?

Anyway...

The days of the week were named after *gods*--equated with planets, perhaps,
but gods nonetheless.

That's why the Germanic names are as they are.  For example, in English we have
the reflexes of the following:

	dies solis	sun-day
	dies lunae	moon-day
	dies martis	Tiu's-day (god's name cognate with Latin deus, Skt.
				dyaus)
	dies mercurii	Woden's-day (outside Scandinavia, Woden was the
				conductor of souls to the land of the dead,
				like Mercury)
	dies jovis	Thor's-day
	dies veneris	Frija's-day (goddess of love, Norse Frigga)
	dies saturni	Saturn's-day (so they didn't have an equivalent--so
				what?)

I don't believe that the planets were considered to be equivalent to the gods
by the various Germanic peoples.
-- 
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                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Finnish Case Endings.
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:04:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Would anyone know of any research done on Finnish case endings where the L1
was (American) English? If so, please contact me or post to the group.
Thanks and kiitoksia.

-kimberli roan
kkr42091@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang,soc.culture.esperanto
From: siobhan@microsoft.com (Siobhan Harper)
Subject: Re: [week] Re: Weekdays in other languages (was: ... Latin?)
Date: 04 Nov 92 19:16:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov3.195527.24256@efi.com> dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung) writes:
>     Is it not wonderful that the whole world use the same schedule of
>"weeks"?  I think that the "week" is more popular and more important than
>Roman months, Chinese months, or even my "equinoxal months".
>
>     Then Latin and Chinese miss by one.  In Chinese, we use "star period
>sun" for Sunday (alternatively "star period day" or "worship sun" or "worship
>day") and use "star period one" to "six" for the rest of the week.

Consider the Cambodian week: (in a _very_ rough transliteration)

tngay can       (day of the moon)
tngay angkia    (day of Mars)
tngay put       (day of Mercury)
tngay prahoeh   (day of Jupiter)
tngay sok       (day of Venus)
tngay sau       (day of Saturn)
tngay aathit    (day of the Sun)


These names aren't a result of the French colonization; they predate them
by quite a while. Yet they are the same planets, in the same order, as the
Western week. The link is the Babylonian and Hindu astronomers; the names
went east from India and west from Babylonia, along with the concept of a
seven-day "week".
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: Uighur & other scripts.
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:02:39 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <Bx6uFs.3tn@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> dan@hpwin051.uksr.hp.com (Dan Bennett) writes:
>Hyvaa Paivaa, Antti  (you ARE Finnish, aren't you?),

Then you ought to add a few umlauts.

>Anyway, the script known as "Uighur" script is a vertical, cursive
>script, which looks a bit like Arabic on its side.

Make that Syriac.  The most characteristic feature of the Arabic
script (to my eye at least) is the great number of dots, and this
feature is not shared by the Uighur script.

>It was used in (outer) Mongolia
>until about 1940 (I think), when the Soviet-style government imposed the
>Cyrillic alphabet on the Mongols (just as Stalin imposed it on the Uzbeks,
>Tadzhiks, Chechen, Kazakhs, Turkmen, etc, etc, etc, etc....).

... along with (horror of horrors) imposing a higher level of literacy
on them.  Anyone know what percentage of the population of Mongolia
was literate before the Cyrillic script was adopted?  I believe it was
a rather low one everywhere in Central Asia.

>For example, "Ulaanbaatar" in classical spelling is more like
>"Ulaghanbaghador". So good luck to any scholars of Uighur writing!

Seconded.  No one said that nationalism was for free.

>As for Tuva, I don't know what script they use.

It should be Cyrillic, unless it has been replaced by something else
in the last few months.

>But I should think they were Stalinized like everyone else

Stalinised in what sense?  What I know is that Tuvan wasn't written
before the Revolution, and that the Cyrillic-based orthography it has
is a very reasonable one.  If that is called Stalinisation, then I'm
in favour of the whole world being Stalinised.

>(except Georgia and Armenia, by the way).

... and Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Karelia.  I hope the Tuvans
don't feel nostalgic to the point of abolishing writing altogether. as
they should if they want to undo everything done after the Revolution.

-- 
 `If ye hiv ears oan yer heid - then use them tae lissen.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
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Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: ggrieve@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (greig.grieve)
Subject: Re: Syntagmatic and paradigmatic
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:41:44 GMT
Summary: a clue

In article <1992Nov9.213028.4917@udel.edu>, hughes@mercury.cis.udel.edu (John Hughes) writes:
> In article <BxGCpJ.BK5@cck.coventry.ac.uk> esi001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Rip Tide) writes:
> >> ... what SYNTAGMATICALLY means ...
> > 
> >>Could you post back to the list, if anyone asserts it means much more 
> >> "syntactically" or some notion of the 'ordering of lg elements' etc.
> >

The main square in Athens is Syntagma Square - meaning Constitution Square.

This might be a clue.