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From: horne@cs.utexas.edu (Patrick J. Horne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Willie Clancy dates?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 10:19:55 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Willie Clancy music Fest, Milltown Malbay, July?

The Willie Clancy MusicFest is coming up in Milltown Malbay,
Ireland some time this summer.  As I recall it us usually 
the first or second week of July.  Does anyone know the exact
dates and any other particulars about it?  My son and I will
be bicycling through Ireland for about a month and would like
to put this stop in our plans.

Thanks,
Pat


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From: ddewar@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (derek.a.dewar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: USA go home (Was Re: Shooting)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:39:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Apr15.143951.26247
Organization: AT&T

>gmcquary@Ingres.COM (George F. McQuary) writes:
>
>|>it is  difficult NOT to cheer whenever someone blows up more British. 

<FLAME ON>

It takes a special brand of arsehole to come out with a stupid 
comment like this, and George, you fit the bill.

I don't find blowing up innocent children of ages 7-14 a very heroic or 
commendable action. Try posting your views to alt.fucking.crap instead.

<FLAME OFF>

Apologies to other soc.culture.celtic readers..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: gerard@galaxy.nsc.com (Gerry Dowling x3188)
Subject: Re: student exchange with Ireland/Univ of Limerick
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:53:59 GMT

Micheal O Braonain writes....

>Unless Limerick has undergone a metamorphosis of unspeakable proportions...

It has. Over the last 5 years or so the city has improved dramatically.It could
be compared to what Galway was like 10 years ago.I am not from Limerick but
I lived there for 7 years.The city centre has been completely transformed.


>Kieran, I think that you have been exposed to too much American fresh air :-)
>Thankfully the bus situation has improved considerably over the last 5 years.
>Ah for the days when the last bus left town at 10pm, didn't serve the 
>campus, and didn't take account of minor events like end-of-term!

I am currently living in California and without a doubt the public transport
system in Ireland/Limerick is far,far superior to the system here.(Because
there is no real need for public transport in the US) Compared to any city of
comparable size in the US the public transport service in Limerick is pretty 
good.

>Finally, and in spite of the fact that I may be verbally assulted
>for this, Limerick is a dangerous city with a high level of crimes against 
>both property and the person.

No offence Micheal but that is absolute rubbish.It is typical of the view from
Dublin.I have lived in Dublin,Limerick and California.Of the three Limerick is
by far the safest.The image of Limerick generated by the Dublin media is 
totally inaccurate and unfair.


Gerry Dowling,
Santa Clara,CA.USA.
gerard@galaxy.nsc.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 13:06:31 CDT
From: <U53644@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: kentish independence
 <CC.92Apr8124739@carna.dcs.ed.ac.uk>

1. The Kentish (for crying out loud, people, how long ago was the heptarchy?
   How long did it last? Am I even referring to an extant people?), being
   Anglo-Saxon, WOULD NOT be Celtic. This story doesn't belong here, which
   brings me to...............
2. Do you know of any other group of cultures that spends so much of their time
   defining themselves in terms of another culture (e.g. England). Really,
   there is more to these cultures than the struggle against English
   aggression. Let's start hearing it - literature, art, music, cooking,
   anything. Mark Holorohan, if you're reading this, I'm not defending the
   British empire. But aren't we getting a little obsessed with it? As for
   certain persistant defenders (gee, we Celts are so awful to those poor...)
   give me a break, you're sick, read up on your history, AND LET'S GET ON
   TO SOMETHING POSITIVE (if only as an occasional change of pace.)

   Thank you.
From: mbrennan@swift.cs.tcd.ie (Micheal O'Braonain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Scotland: Independance v Devolution
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:25:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin

I have a question about Scottish Independance v Scottish Devolution v
Independance within Europe.
I really don't know the details of what either would involve, but 
maybe someone could tell s.c.c. what the story is with regard to 

A parliment - it's powers
Income     - would all income tax go directly to a Scottish assembly to
             dole out as it wished, or would it go via London.
             Does anyone really know what would happen to the oil
             wells
Law making - could a scottish assembly for example permit/forbid
             abortion/divorce/cannibus/homosexual acts/other 
             controversial issues.  Apart from European law, would
             it be bound by any British constitution.
passports  - GB or scottish?

Perhaps someone could differentiate between common or garden independance,
independance within europe and devolution under these headings.   I
know Norther Ireland went through a patch of devolution in Stormont
but I was a little too young to remember its significance.

If you have been through all this before when I wasn't looking, just
ignore me.

Thanks
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From: gedge@cm.cf.ac.uk (Geraint A Edwards)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Two Celtic cultures
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:48:05 GMT
Organization: I'm at, not speaking for: Uni of Wales, College of Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
}  I can respect that - but frankly, so what? IF this group were
} named soc.culture.celtic.chris.benson, then I might understand but...
[..]
} cbenson@bazooka.Altos.COM (Christopher Benson) writes:
} > I am sure that I would read both groups
} 
} Then clearly it makes little difference if they are in the same place -right?
[..]
} OH, well as one of the "dishonest celts" I can only say "screw you"

It's a shame you found this offensive enough to reply like this.
There is a point being made here that I sympathise with (well
said, Chris).  I believe he was calling no-one "dishonest", but
highlighting what some of us think - that s.c.c. has become too
dominated with Anglo-Irish talks.

There should, IMO, be a better place than a *.culture group for
this.  The ease with which I can hit `n' to skip them is not a
good solution - I want to read them, just not in this group.

At the moment I find myself killing them all because in s.c.c.
I want to read about cultural celts, not marauding English! :-)

Gedge
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Purported inaccuracies in 200 years of Peace and Friendship
From: holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan)
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


  
  I've included below the references used by F. Robert Dougherty for
  his article, 200 years of Peace and Friendship.   I suggest that anyone
  who has misjudged this article,  as the work of a lier, or propagandist,  
  please check his references.

                                                  Mark


  References:
   Bailey, Thomas A. The American Pageant. Vol. II, D.C. Heath & Col, 1971
   Hendrick, Burton J. The Life and Letters of Walter H. Page, Doubleday, Page
   and Col, 1923.
   Wiltse, Charles M. The New Nation. Hill & Wang, 1967

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  holohan@epik.enet.dec.com
  
  The opinions expressed are not necessarily the opinions of 
  Digital Equipment Corporation.

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From: gmcquary@Ingres.COM (George F. McQuary)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Noraid (Their finances are negligible)
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:30:08 GMT
Reply-To: gmcquary@Ingres.COM (George F. McQuary)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

> dcnnnghm@unix1.tcd.ie writes:
> 
> "We, the Irish living in Ireland, wish that people such as Noraid, and
> those  that   support them, would take   a    flying  leap off a  high
> building."
> 

Well, that's really unnecessary at this point. James Dunnigan ("Dirty Little
Secrets", the section on financing revolutions) points out that the
PIRA are largely self supporting.

Noraid, after it deducts all its administrative costs and so forth, manages
to generate only $500,000 U.S., which really isn't much of a threat.
The greater bulk of PIRA finances has come from counterfeiting U.S. currency.
Some operations have generated an estimated 5 million U.S. before being broken
up (And since the people stung are mostly illegal arms merchants, they tend
not to complain too much).

Dunnigan further accuses both the PIRA and Protestant military organisations
of taking a "divide now and kill each other later" approach to dividing up
territory between them. They then run illegal gambling operations and demand
"protection money" from businesses within their turf as a source of income.
Drug running remains unmentioned, but seems reasonable for both sides since
it is a big revenue generator (Anything for the cause).

Americian readers will also find this section interesting, as Dunnigan
later lists how many revolutionary groups are running around in Americia
(if memory serves me, around thirty-two at the moment), and for how many deaths
per year the major groups are responsible.

--
George F. McQuary 
"He is mad, bad and dangerous to know." -Lady Caroline Lamb
From: skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Comments on News Program
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:08:33 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

rdawson@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ron Dawson) writes:

>In article <skenny.702576156@femto.engr.mun.ca> skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:
>>About two weeks ago, a film crew from Irish television was in St. John's
>>to cover the overfishing problem -- the reporter was Joe O'Brien I
>>believe. During their stay they also interviewed Mike McGuire (in
>>Gaelic) and Dennis Ryan at a local pub. I don't know if this has been
>>televised yet, but I was wondering if someone has any comments to make
>>on the film clip. Naturally I only saw the film takes and not the edited
>>version.

>  Was the Dennis Ryan interview related to the overfishing problem?
>  What's Dennis Ryan up to these days?  

No Mike McGuire was discussing the foreign fishing and Dennis Ryan was
basically asked to comment on how Newfoundland looks proudly on their
Irish heritage (we are the only ones outside Ireland to celebrate St.
Paddy's day) and how he perceives the present day relation with Ireland.

I do believe he is a broker.
--
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From: dcnnnghm@unix1.tcd.ie (Mithrandir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Suze / Ireland / Support for paramilitaries
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:35:43 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


	Trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks) writes:



>times the native people of Ireland have tried to explain their wish that super-
>"patriotic" expatriates, and romanticizing descendents would leave off, and
>let Ireland settle her own problems.

This is quite true. We, the Irish living in Ireland, wish that people such
as Noraid, and those that support them, would take a flying leap off a high 
building. They damage Ireland more that they can ever know.

>such. Neither group is worthy of much admiration, a fact not lost on most
>native Irish.

Suze is an American, yet even she can see the truth. (No offense intended
at "even she", Suze, hope you see what I'm getting at)

		Donal.


<< Mithrandir >>      |  "He who breaks faith with the unity  | Disclaimer?
                      |    shall go down into darkness."      | I went one
                      |         -Natasha Kerensky, Clan Wolf  | step better:
dcnnnghm@unix1.tcd.ie |  Real Men don't have cute .sigs.      | I divorced her.
From: smaill@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Alan Smaill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Liking Indiana (was Re: Sick'n'tired of the "Troubles"
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:46:11 GMT
Organization: DAI, University of Edinburgh

In article <92097.080553RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET> RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET (Aengus Lawlor) writes:

   And maybe if you actually bothered to read some of the postings on that
   trivial and boring subject of Northern Ireland, you might have learnt that
   "Catholic" and "Protestant" are only synonyms for Nationalist/Republican and
   Unionist/Loyalist. When used in the context of Northern Ireland, they aren't
   always religious labels. 

Amen to the last comment.

However, I have become confused by usage in this group of the terms
Nationalist/Republican. Are they synonymous? 
At least some people seem to use nationalist/republican in the
narrower sense of supporters of Sinn Fein/the IRA, whereas
most members of the Catholic community are neither.


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From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Scottish flags
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:06:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.160609.5513
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)

I tried posting this before and did something wrong, so I'll try
again.

Why are there two Scottish flags?  Three if you count the Union
Jack.  Since I am Scottish I was asked this and didn't have an
answer.  I assume one has something to do with royalty but I'm
not sure.

Anyone able to enlighten me?

Thank you,
Evelyn
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From: rouxclau@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roux Claude)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What goes around comes around
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:50:17 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I'm working in the field of linguistic and I'll be very interressing in
having some informations about the survival of celtic languages in Ireland,
Scotland and of course Whelsh (I'm not quite sure of the spelling). I should
had that one of my grand-parents was a breton from France and his mother tongue
was of celtic origin (in fact, he learnt French at school when he was six).
I know that it's possible today, in France, to make your secondary in that
language and that a certain renewal of Betron language is taking place, even
if a lot of people still not consider it as very serious. (I hope you will
excuse the bad quality of my English...)
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Two Celtic cultures -- two newsgroups
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:04:52 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Apr14.022935.25238@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> csb58666@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad S. Beckett) writes:
>May I, a neutral American of Anglo-Saxon birth, offer an alternative
>pairing of newsgroups on soc.culture.celtic.  It occurs to me that if
>there is any real distinction to be made, it should be between the scots
>and the irish; 

Apart from the Welsh who may be offended, what about the Bretons? We
used to hear from Breton posters regularly. I've been away for a while
myself, so I don't know what's happened to them.


M

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From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scotland: Independance v Devolution
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:40:42 GMT
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: albion@bcrks63


In article <1992Apr9.085539.25425@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

> 
> >Law making - could a scottish assembly for example permit/forbid
> >             abortion/divorce/cannibus/homosexual acts/other 
> >             controversial issues.  Apart from European law, would
> >             it be bound by any British constitution.
> 
> No change. Scotland already has it's own legal system quite independant of
> England and has had for a great many years. Indeed the Scottish legal system
> is admired so much by the English, they've been 'borrowing' from it :-)
> 


I think that this barely answers the question. With the exception of the 
status quo the limits in law will either be determined by a central
authority or through a constitution.

At this time, all laws are debated by the entire commons and may reasonably 
be assumed to be limited by a commonality. The same people apply their 
morality. This does not stop differences from occuring but they will seldom be
contradictory. (Sunday shopping is one of the exceptions and, depending on
perceptions, the introduction of the 'poll tax' was another).

If authority for an issue moves to a separate chamber one can be assured that
contradiction will occur simply due to the different people voting. It is
no simple matter to separate powers and retain desired equalities of rights.

On a slightly more esoteric plane :

Even if Scottish independence arises there may be certain mechanisms that are
established in the constitution that extend beyond Scotland. EG the Canadian
constitution was not repatriated until 1981 before which the BNA took final
authority from London. In actuality this was not the colonial enslavement
that it might appear but provided the possibility for a neutral arbitrator.
Assignment might be made to the European Courts but legal differences and
lack of real problems might leave it with a combined Scots/English court.



                                  Alan


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From: cockburn@majors.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Scotland United?
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Newbury, England
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:09:34 GMT


Is there any more news on how the new group Scotland United are getting
on in their campaign for a Scottish Assembly ? Are there more rallies
planned for the weekend? Does anyone have a contact address/telephone
number for them?

thanks
	Craig 
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  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
From: rbv@cypress.com (Roger Vanderveen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What's Celtic?
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:57:02 GMT
Reply-To: rbv@cypress.com (Roger Vanderveen)
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA


el_dess@pavo.concordia.ca (DESSUREAULT, ERIK L) writes:

	Actually, the word "Celt" comes from the ancient Greek "Keltoi", A
	word that if I remember correctly means "barbarian".

I would like to see your source for that translation. I have never heard of
any.

	The ancient Greeks had 	some dealings with the Celts when they
	were spreading across continental Europe, and considered them
	barbaric, as they did most every other race.  The Romans, who
	were very influenced by the Greeks, probably picked up on the
	word and Latinized it.  The Celtic word for Celt is "Goidel",
	a root word that gave "Gael", "Gaul"(the ancient word for
	France), and "Galles", the ancient English form and current
	French form of the word "Wales".

The Celtic word? The Welsh word for "Celt" is "Celt". The Welsh word for
Irishman is "Gwyddel", and an English word for the Gaelic branch of the
Celtic family is "Goidelic".

mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:

	"Keltoi" & "Galatoi" both appear in Greek -- isn't it
	intuitively obvious that both these words are related, & probably have
	something to do with the regions called "Galatia" & "Galicia" that
	appear here & there in Europe & Asia Minor?

"Intuitively obvious" is far from fact in linguistics. It's an idea which may
be worth pursuing, but it's not a conclusion an expert would jump to. Are you
a subscriber to CELTIC-L? It sounds like something they would propound as fact.

	Now what about the word "Wales" or "Welsh" or the German
	cognate? Well, think about the Spanish word "agua" or other
	Spanish -gu- words. They can have a "w"-like sound.  Or
	Guillermo for the Germanic William.  Or the Irish
	pronounciation of Gaeilge with the w-like glide attached to
	the beginning G.  Maybe the Romanized Germans on the Frankish
	border heard "Gaul" as something like "gWal", & said "V/Wal",
	leading to "Walish".  "Gall" in Irish is an old word for
	foreigner too -- originally it meant "from Gaul" (did this
	word persist in Scots Gaelic?  Dun na nGall -- Donegal -- Fort
	of the Strangers, or Galltach -- English speaking region).

	The OED articles on each of these words are very interesting (which
	is where most of these ideas came from, I added a little baking powder
	to get the whole mixture to rise).

Didn't the OED tell you that "Wales" comes from OE "wealas", meaning
"foreigners"?  The Romans called the island "Britannia". A later Latinization
of "Wales" was "Gwalia".
From: cbenson@bazooka.Altos.COM (Christopher Benson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Two Celtic cultures
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:39:30 GMT
Organization: AMB Research Labs, Sunnyvale, CA

Perhaps I am not alone in this view...

I am a Celt (born in Wales; Welsh Mother; Irish Father) and I am
greatly interested in things Celtic wherever they may be.
However, my feelings about Northern Ireland, The 32 counties,
the likes of Sin Fein, Ian Paisley, the *British Army* and such
things have a separate identity to me.

I totally concede that *the troubles* are a Celtic matter, but I
wish there were two newsgroups which distinguished between the
*Irish Question* and more unifying Celtic matters. If it were so,
I am sure that I would read both groups, but would choose to select
the one for my mood of the day.

Is it possible to have a selection of interesting communal Celtic
postings without wading through the morass of 6-26 politics?

Constructive input about the *solution* would interest me, but I
feel it belongs to another group than that of honest Celts such
as Craig Cockburn, Geraint Edwards, and many others.


I prepare for ripostes from Holo-folk etc.

Chris Benson (posting from --new Californian-- home)

Diolch.