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From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:32:28 PST

In article <37975@hoptoad.uucp>, on 5 Nov 92 01:43:19 GMT,
laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:

>
>In article <19921101222156ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct28.235837.8622@reed.edu>, on 28 Oct 92 23:58:37 GMT,
>>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <19921028145315ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>>>>First, my use of the term "Tinkerbell" is no more homophobic than
>>>>is any other group-referential designation that we are wont to use
>>>>such as "queer", "queen", or "fairy".
>>>
>>>darn, and I was all ready to take Laura's explanation that this was
>>>some ironic reference to slurs of the 60s. Oh well.
>>>
>>>Maybe Jack B. Nimble is just a stupid faggot.
>>>
>>Since Laura's explanation is fanciful but off the wall, there is
>>the possibility that Nelson Minar is a just a stupid faggot who is
>>truly clueless as to which decade Joe McCarthy actually flourished.
>
>It's not fanciful.  I have a Goldwater speech from 1961 which
>accuses the remnant of Roosevelt's New Deal Democrats as
>being `tolitarian tinkerbells'.  But it was a slam against
>all of the most liberal in Congress, not queerfolk.
>
Really? I am genuinely surprised and mildly dismayed. What do you
think Goldwater meant by "tinkerbells"? I suppose that as early as 1961
even otherwise decent people could have been been prejudiced against
gays.

>Laura
>
>--
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>    (this news courtesy Phil Paxton ipwp400@indycms.bitnet)
>
>Laura Creighton
>toad@toad.com
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>
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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Colorado Addresses
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:36:02 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>Another list that would be good to have would be addresses
>of large corporations (like Coors) that have their
>headquarters in Colorado.

This just came from the NOGLSTP mailing list:
_____

I'm crossposting this to as many lists as I have addresses for.  I
believe the one for Gaynet has changed, so this may not go thru.

There has been talk on many networks about the boycott to Cut Off
Colorado for passing this heinous anti-gay, anti-human rights amendment.
After looking in my handy consumer guide from the ...yes...Consumer
Information Center, Pueblo, Colorado, I found these companies either
located, headquartered or having customer service centers in Colorado.

1. Coor Brewing Co, Golden, CO  1-800-642-6116
   Golden, CO 80401

2. Current, Inc., Colorado Springs, CO 1-800-525-7170
   POB 2559, Colorado Springs, CO 80901

3. Diners Club International, Englewood, CO 1-800-525-9135
   183 Inverness Dr. West, Englewood, CO 80112

4. Walter Drake and Sons, Colorado Springs, CO (719)-596-3140
   Drake Bldg., Colorado Springs, CO 80940-0001

5. Manville Corp. 1-800-654-3101
   PO Box 5108, Denver, CO 80217-5108

6. Teledyne Water Pik  1-800-525-2774
   1730 East Prospect St., Ft. Collins, CO 80553-0001

7. Vicorp Restaurants  (303) 296-2121
   400 W. 48th Ave, Denver, CO 80216

8. US WEST, Inc. 1-800-usw-help
   Orchard Falls Bldg., 7800 E. Orchard Rd., Englewood, CO 80111-2533

9. Consumer Information Center  719-948-4000
   Pueblo, CO 81009 (our tax dollars at work in KKKlorado)

The CO state travel bureau's number is:  1-800-433-2656

Living in the South, many of these companies are unknown to me.  For
instance, what are Vicorp Restaurants the owners of??  Unfortunately,
I also don't have a Diners Club card to cut up.

But, these are apparently some of the big companies that support
in part the Colorado economy.  Expressing outrage over this amendment
and withholding business to any CO company may make a dent as it did
with Arizona and South Africa.

Also, I am approaching my professional organization to have CO removed
from states where we will have meetings.

Any other ideas/companies to influence Colorado thru?  It is unfortunate
that such an economic boycott also affects our g/l/b brothers and sisters
and strayt supporters in CO.

Take care all

______________________________________________________________
   Jeff Jones                         JAJONE02@ukcc.uky.edu
   University of Kentucky


       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
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prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
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From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: Re: Good news, Good news, Bad news and revenge
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
	<1992Nov5.071618.10645@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:35:35 GMT

I know the travel agency I deal with can make the change (with $25 fee) for
me, all I have to do is give them my old ticket, pay the fee, and tell them
where I want to go.
			Tom
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: homophobia on the net - rec.arts.movies
Summary: Check this one out
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:07:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I think I just came out big time on the net with my follow-up to this
posting:

In article <1992Nov8.165508.4922@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:

> On the subject of Bad Music, let's talk Bad Musicals! I have fond 
> memories <maybe "fond" is the wrong word...> of several.
>... 
> You Can't Stop The Music: Oh god, the pain, the pain. The Village People,
> Valerie Perrine, the immortal singing Olympic hero, Bruce Jenner!
> Known to the crew as "You Can't Stop the Faggots", this bombed big time.
> Big, brassy, empty headed, and offensively contrived, it reveals
> that the secret fantasies of the <obviously gay> Village People
> consists of lame heterosexual voyeurism. Alienated breeders and gays
> alike by the hundreds. Perrine's worst movie. Hell, It's Bruce Jenner's
> worst movie. A must-see, if only because the very essence of "The
> Disco Era" oozes from every frame. Does contain some big production
> numbers with some of the VP"S biggest "hits", if anyone cares.

I found this very offensive.  Yes, I agree that the movie wasn't very
good, but the language this man uses to describe it just screams of
homophobia.  Maybe I'm being sensitive today, but I feel like it's a
personal attack.  I think this guys under the impression that
Hollywood is straight, and silly "faggots" come in and made bad
movies.  For some stupid(?) reason I feel the need to defend this
movie because it was attacked for being gay oriented and not just a
bad movie.

I don't know...Does anyone have any comments regarding this?

Bil Gonzalez
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu

 
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From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:50:56 GMT

In article <BxA8zu.7FK@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
>Not that it's the world's easiest thing to boycott a monopoly, but
>US West was very supportive of us in the Oregon fight, and even 
>purchased a full page ad in the Voter's Pamphlet urging the defeat 
>of Plan 9 from Outer Space.
>
>Still, you've got to break some eggs to make an omlette.  Their 
>headquarters is, after all, in Denver.  One tactic might be to
>suggest to them that they are going to have a lot of difficulty
>recruiting gay telecom professionals into that kind of hateful 
>environment.

I would strongly suggest not boycotting companies who have anti discrimination
policies. I think the damage done by doing so is greater than any benefit
gained. If a company in Colorado has an anti discrimination policy we have
already "won" there. 
If as a result most companies abopt anti discrimination policies and the
admendment stays we have still won, and we have a victory that the CFV 
can do nothing about.

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From: strong@apple.com (Bob Strong)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Thugsy twins to run against each other!
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:13:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.014357.12389@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
M. Solovay) wrote:
> 
> 
> Don't be so hard on Dannemeyer. My pet theory is that he's really
> one of us, an agent provocateur paid by Queer Nation to make
> homophobes look like a drooling pack of mouth-breeding morons.


Isn't it mouth-*breathing*?
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From: rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen)
Subject: Re: Airfare (was Re: Good news, Good news, Bad news and revenge)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.133930.26246@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov5.071618.10645@netcom.com>
>rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen) writes:
>
>>Upshot:  If you can go somewhere else for a comparable price on the same
>>airline, you can move your trip and lose only $25/person.
>
>Certainly true with United.  When I had to abort my planned trip
>to SF in September, my agent told me to just hang onto the ticket,
>which in effect becomes a coupon worth $25 less than I paid for it,
>usable as cash toward any trip with United for up to a year.

It's a fine point, but:  It's more like a coupon that's worth what you
paid for it, but that costs $25 to cash in.  If you bought the original
ticket for $300, and want to exchange it for a ticket that costs $250,
it will still cost you $25 to make the transaction (and you won't get
any refund out of the original $300).
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From: davet@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Dave Trissel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Motorola Focus Group on Lesbian & Gay Issues
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:19:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Nov13.171903.13274
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas


A number of Motorola employees in Texas, Illinois, and Arizona are seeking
additional gay, lesbian, and other supportive Motorolans interested in
gay & lesbian issues in the workplace.

Our community consists of two overlapping groups.  The first is a focus
group working with Motorola Work Force Diversity which is actively examining
the role of gays & lesbians in the Motorola workforce.  The other is a more
inclusive, informal network of gay, lesbian and bisexual Motorolans sharing 
ideas and maintaining contact using electronic mail.

For more information, please contact me via e-mail, telephone, or at
the address below.  All information will be held in confidence.

David W. Trissel,  RISC Software Technical Staff

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From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:33:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: MORPHEUS.CORWIN+.92Nov11153318
	<CORWIN+.92Nov11120016@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>
	<1992Nov11.182228.29647@gordian.com>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Nov11.182228.29647@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

     What nonsense. Suppose, as an assignment, the student were asked to
   play Billy-Bob-with-baseball-bat-gay-basher. A good actor ought to
   be able to perform such an assignment, no? Bolts of chiffon flowing
   from his mouth would hardly be a convincing rendition of ol' Billy-Bob
   right? 
     An actors primary job is to portray the character that the script
   has defined, not to work his personality into the equation. His 
   personality is utterly irrelevant. If he can't keep it out of his
   work, as necessary, than he is not qualified.
     Arne is dead on the money here.

Is a painter allowed to let their sexuality enter their work?  What
about Maplethorpe?  What distinguishes an actor from these other
artists?  I am not saying that every actor is appropriate for every
role.  But to argue that a person can turn off their sexuality on
demand is absurd. 

Are you and Arne planning on moving to Colorado sometime soon?

   > I find the implication that it is OK to force someone to deny their
   > sexuality repugnant, and that is what I view as going on in Drama.

     But drama is absolutely about denying all sorts of things which
   the individual actor is not. A good actor should be able to push
   him/herself aside to play the roll. Providing we are talking about
   mannerisms, this is not discrimination based on irrelevant characteristics.

This is total bullshit.  It is simply saying that certain fields may
discriminate because they want to.

How is what Drama is doing any different that the DOD ban.
"We don't necessarily discriminate.  We simply exclude certain types of
people."  Lt. Col. Gerald Wellman, an ROTC instructor at the MIT, on
the military's ban on gays  Newsweek, May 25.  After all, Drama's
claim is that they don't discriminate, they simply want to eliminate
actors with certain characteristics.

Scott Safier                                   corwin+@cmu.edu
Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon University
        
member, T.S.A.K.C.  B0/1 f+ w- g k+ s- m(+) e++

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From: adjg@sour.sw.oz.au (Andrew Gollan)
Subject: Orange County Went Democrat?
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  7 Nov 92 22:53:42 GMT

In <1dc4maINNc5u@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

|The LA Times exit polls are a little different.  In California, 
|3 percent identified themselves as gay/lesbian. Of that 3 percent, 
|76 percent went for Clinton, 16 percent went for Bush (goddamned 
|Orange County), and 8 percent went for Perot.
 ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
It was reported on this side of the Pacific anyway, that Orange County
went to Clinton in the election. This flies somewhat in the face of
everything I had ever heard about the place...
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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:45:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov6.104532.20549
Distribution: soc
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


>
>  Well, chalk up this free marketeer and/or libertarian as thinking
>that a boycott is a good idea. I see nothing wrong with them, and as
>a matter of fact, think they are a good tool to make people responsible
>for their actions. 
>  Do innocents get hurt? Too bad. I expect that if they are truly
>innocent they will probably understand why it is important to 
>beat up on their bone headed neighbors.
>-- 

I find it very startling that the people worried about the boycott and
of course they are worried about the people who will be hurt because of the
boycott,  haven't talked much about the rest of the "faggots" (lovingly
said) who can now be legally fucked out of a job by some shit head corporation
in Colorado who not only financially benefits from the rest of us faggots
spending money at his/her place, but then takes profits from us and contributes
to yes on 2!!!!  Your outrage Mr. No-boycott, is directed at the
wrong people!

Love Bil

(who for the last 10 years has gone to C.Springs one to two times
a year....)
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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Robertson wins one in Iowa [Homophobia as a weapon of sexism]
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 14:57:55 EST
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With 90 percent of the precincts reporting, 52 percent of the voters
said ``No'' to the proposed Equal Rights Amendment while 48 percent said
``Yes.'' It was the second time the proposition was rejected in the
state.
        ``The exit poll showed 57 percent of Iowa women supported this
amendment,'' said Suzie Robinette, a spokeswoman for the Iowa Women's
Equality Campaign. ``Iowa women want equality. We are very disappointed
that the initiative failed but it was difficult to combat the negative
ads and lies of the opposition.''
        The amendment read: ``Neither the stae nor any of its political
subdivisions shall, on the basis of gender, deny or restrict the
equality of rights under the law.''
        The campaign surrounding the measure was bitter and aggressive.
Opponents circulated a letter on the stationary of televangelist Pat
Robertson, warning that adoption of the ERA would mean the enactment of
a secret, feminist agenda that would lead to the end of the family and
the rebirth of ``ancient female religions like witchcraft.''
        The waning days of the campaign saw commercials featuring homosexual
couples displaying affection for one another.


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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:14:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: queernet.BxB40t.76D
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov5.201153.8068@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <JET.92Nov5094910@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>>Uh, what major airlines *don't* have a Colorado hub (and go anywhere
>>important :-)?
>
>I don't think US Air does.  Delta definitely doesn't (it goes
>through Salt Lake).  And Delta has the added benefit of being
>a reasonably good airline.

Add American.
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From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:28:45 GMT

In article <JET.92Nov5094910@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>"charlie" == Charlie GALVIN <charlie@wet.UUCP> writes:
>
>charlie> Don't fly United or Continental or any airline which has a
>charlie> Denver hub.  If you must use these airlines, insist that you
>charlie> not fly into a Colorado airport--and tell them why!
>
>Uh, what major airlines *don't* have a Colorado hub (and go anywhere
>important :-)?

Northwest.  

-- Chris



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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: more faces for the soc.motss photo archive
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:13:26 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>j/john_dorrance_uncensored.gif	Now it can be shown

This could very well affect my political carreer.

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Keywords: workplace, peers, future GOP
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:46:39 GMT

> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>> rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) writes:

>>Today on NPR one analyst ran through the list of prominent Republicans not
>>tarnished by close association with the Bush campaign that the party could
>>run in 1996: he came up only with Bob Dole and another older politician.
>
>What about Jack Kemp?  He was in the administration, but doesn't seem to
>have participated in the campaign much.

I wonder how his outing will affect his campaign...
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From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:27:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.101922.16183@lclark.edu>  
snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
} Here is what I would like to see.  When entering into a 
} business I would like for the owners to place a sign on the 
} door which depicts a Pink Dollar Bill.  This would mean that 
} this owner is happy to service the GBLO community!

Okay.  What if L.L. Bean has a chain of stores and we NEVER  
found out where there money was going?  As long as they would  
have that little Pink Dollar Bill, they would still be taking  
our money.

To put it simply, I spread my money around to different shops.   
If anything ugly comes out about them, I wouldn't feel as bad as  
plunking my money down into one ...

Donald
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From: jn163051@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Joel Nevison)
Subject: Coloradan straight but not narrow
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 20:39:05 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Well folks, my first reaction was shame to be a citizen of this state.
I have mixed feelings about the boycott issue, I see the need, but wish
that those who did vote against #2 would not have to bear the cost of
this (most likely necessary) boycott.   It is tragic that the
fundamentalist assholes were so stealthy that they really fooled alot
of people who didn't really understand what they were voting for.
I have several friends who I assumed would vote against #2 who are now
feeling quite upset with themselves because they were fooled.  I have
several former friends that I cannot bring myself to smile at anymore.
Please accept my apology for not being much more vocal, the polls showed
#2 losing and I thought it didn't have a chance.

Regretfully  -Joel

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