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From: cambria@world.std.com (Michael C Cambria)
Subject: Hi & some info on an E-Mass show
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:40:32 GMT

Hi everyone.  This is my first time on this network but I've been reading what
everyone's been talking about for a couple of weeks.

I marched for 12 years and instructed for 2 years in a class A color guard.  I
wonder if anyone out there remembers us?  St. Mary's from Brookline Mass.
I marched until 1983 and instructed St. Mary's in 1984 and 1985.  Our best
year was 1980.  Was anyone around then?

I've been reading what everyone's been writing for a couple of weeks.  I forget
your name but you marched in NYRG and was captain (I think it was 1983)
when they did Fidler on the Roof.  You guys were great!  I got to see you
at a couple of WGI regionals.  They were the good old days.

I went to a local Eastern Mass color guard contest a couple of weeks ago.
It is so pitiful now, except for a few guards in Open Class and World Class.
Blessed Sac won, Point of View was 2nd and Suburbanettes from N.H. came
in third.  I do not have the scores though.  Sac was really good for this
early in the season.  They climb ladders and do funky equipment work in
their show.  Has anyone else seen anything interesting at shows yet?

Krissy

Newsgroups: alt.hindu,alt.culture.kerala,alt.culture.tamil
From: Kurt Johnston <kurt@StPaul.NCR.COM>
Subject: Help: Vedic Marriages
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Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:37:28 GMT
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Hello Alt readers, 

Does anyone out there in NET land have a Sanskrit (Hindi) - English 
translation of the complete Vedic (Hindu) wedding ceremony?  If you don't 
have a copy do you know where I can find one?

I'm also looking for help with the marriage customs of Kerala and Tamil 
Nadu.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Kurt

 
Kurt Johnston
NCR NPD, St.Paul, MN
Email: kurt.johnston@stpaul.ncr.com

Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: Damara Shanmugan <0005112751@mcimail.com>
Subject: Vedic Marriages: GREAT ARTICLE!
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To: hindu digest <editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:04:00 GMT
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AUM JAI GANESHA!

NAMASTE HINDU DIGEST,

WONDERFUL CULTURAL INFORMATION ON HINDU MARRIAGE!  THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT ALL
HINDUS ARE HUNGRY FOR.  BRAVO!  KEEP UP THE GOOD CULTURAL WORK.

AUM NAMASIVAYA!

DAMARA SHANMUGAN

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        Date:     27.01.93     11.01pm  
        From:     Mahendra V Deshpande  <D9205233@zac.riv.csu.edu.au>
                  Bankstown NSW 2200      Australia
        Subject:  Information of the magazine for People planning to 
                  return to India.
        Dear Networkers,
                        I am looking for magazine published for Indians 
                        who are planning to return to India for employment 
                        purpose. I remember I have seen advertisement of 
                        such magazine in India Today ( Jan 92 issue ). 
                        If anybody has information of such magazine 
                        please email me the address of the publication
                        and approximate subscription fee of it.
                        Thankyou.
        Mahendra.
        Email:  D9205233@zac.riv.csu.edu.au

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From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.)
Subject: Northern Southern Unity
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Subject: Re: North South Unity
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In article <Pine.3.05.9301270838.B23341-9100000@bongo.cc.utexas.edu>
 "Amit K. Misra" <lpje103@bongo.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
>
>Namaskar Fellow Hindus!
>
>As readers of Hindu Digest interested in promoting Hindu Unity, we should
>refrain from using the terms "North India" and "South India," as if the
>two were different countries.  Instead we should attempt to employ
>"northern India" and "southern India."  Although this may seem trivial,
>its symbolism is significant.

If one is really interested in promoting unity, it is the content of the
posting that counts.

In English language, "North India" and "South India"
need not mean separate country. 

It means a significant cultural distinction.
Denial to recognize and give the credit where it is due,
and using 'northern' 'southern' does not really promote unity.

Actually, one would not even talk about 'northern southern unity'!
one might talk of 'north south unity'.

K. Srinivasan


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From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish)
Subject: Re: Interpolations and Scriptures (Re: Forgeries of Hindu Scriptures)
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:59:15 GMT
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Expires: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 04:00:00 GMT

In article <C14Gn5.889@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (anand hudli) writes:
>
>[.......]
> Although research done by western scholars in Vedic literature is
> commendable, most of them had prejudices about Hinduism and India.
> Let me quote from the introductory remarks of the book titled 
> Yajur Veda by Devi Chand, Munshiram Manoharlal Publsihers, 1980.
>
> "... Yet all the scholars from the west could not remain free 
>      from prejudices and could not always maintain objectivity
>      in their writings. Some of them,.., aimed at perpetuating
>      colonial rule in India while others expected to convert 
>      Indians to Christianity through their writings on Oriental
>      subjects. "
>[........]


       Yes, while Muslim invaders did their best to convert Hindus with
       their swords, European Christian scholars like Max Muller did
       their worst to convert Hindus with their pens. There was enough
       scope for maliciously motivated translations by Christian scholars
       to give Hinduism a bad name. British officials and statesmen made
       no secret of their intensions to convert 'heathen' Hindudom to
       Christianity. Following are a few excerpts from Max Muller's letters
       which gives clear idea of his intensions:

       In his letter dated December 16, 1838, Max Muller wrote to the then
       Secretary of State of Bharat, the Duke of Argyll: "The ancient
       religion of India is doomed and if Christianity does not step in
       whose fault will it be?"

       His another letter to the Secretary of State echoes the same unholy
       ambition: "India has been conquered once, but India must be conquered
       again and that second conquest should be a conquest by education."

       Max Muller completed a translation of Vedas in 1866. At this juncture,
       he confided to his dear wife his very very dear aim of seeing all
       Hindudom swallowed up by Christianity. He wrote in the letter
       addressed to her:

       "I hope I shall finish that work and I fill convinced that though
       I shall not live to see it, this edition of mine and the translation
       of the Vedas will, hereafter, tell to a great extent on the fate of
       India on the growth of millions of souls in that country. It is the 
       root of their religion and to show them what the root is, I feel
       sure, is the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it
       during the last 3000 years."

       Reference: Originally from "Letters on India" by Maria Graham,
       reprinted in "World Vedic Heritage".


       -- Girish.



Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad)
Subject: The world in terms of Hindu theology
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:51:18 GMT

Btw, the term "fundamentalist" may have different
meanings to different people.  I seem to have picked up
the (possibly incorrect) meaning "intolerant of other
views", as opposed to "preaching a return to fundamentals".

Perhaps, instead of "Hindu Fundamentalists", a better
phrase would be "Hindu Intolerants".

Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad)
Subject: The world in terms of Hindu theology
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:42:46 GMT

The following is a translation of the current
world as it is, in terms of Hindu theology.

Should this be done?  Well, perhaps it will help the
fundamentalist Hindu to be able to see the
emerging new world in a less threatening light.

Can this be done?  Yes.  The Hindu theology, perhaps
like many ancient theologies, is based upon some very
eternal aspects of the human condition -- creation,
joy and destruction.

Thus, when the Hindu fundamentalist asks, "Why is there
lack of peace in the world today?"  The answer is,
the world is just fine.  The Hindu theologists have
made one grave error, however, when they made the
implicit assumption that all Avatars would take place in
the land between Himalayas and the Indian ocean.  This
is not so.

This mistake had serious consequences for the Hindu
world-view.  When Bluethroat awoke once again, about
1500 years ago (this time, it was either in Middle
East or Africa -- the details have been cleverly
obscured), and sent out his prophet to sing
his songs, the Hindus failed to recognize him.  Even
those who worshipped him in other forms could not
recognize their own lord -- even whey they saw
his signature everywhere.

What is the signature of Bluethroat?  Change.
Eternal Change.  When temples and idols were broken,
libraries were burned, universities were destroyed,
and knowledge was lost forever, at least then
the Hindus should have seen the marks of the
lord of destruction.

They fail to do this, and wonder why there
is violence and lack of peace in their land.
And yet, some subliminal spark of recognition
is present.  For Bluethroat's memory in India
is at a very high level right now.  Note that
the current violence is led by "Shiv Sena",
which has, for instance, power of destruction over
the very place of birth of Ram, the harmonious ruler.
Naturally, worshippers of the destroyer being
present on both sides, there is violence and lack of
peace in India.

Fortunately for peace-lovers, the latest incarnation
of the destroyer is 1500 years old now, and there
appear to be other opposing forces, which are promising
welcome to a new age, and to the end of destruction.

Let us allow the destroyer back into his hard
earned Samadhi, let his memories be perpetuated
with homage and repetition like all other
memories are, and pray he shall not arise until
needed again, eons from now.

Good morning.

Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: sambarss@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (Saibaba S. Sambaraju)
Subject: Re: Brahma - less important?
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The sage Mahesh was unable to recollect was Bhrigu.

Regards,

Sai..
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From: MARDHEMS@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Hindu Heritage Summer Camp Alumni
Status: OR
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Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:39:00 GMT
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	Is there anyone out there who attended Hindu Heritage Summer Camp in
Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania?  I was a camper and then a counselor there from
'84-'87.  Although the camp is no longer in existence, I would like to get in
touch with others who were there, and possibly have some sort of reunion.

	Please send me E-mail if you were also affiliated with the camp, since
I think it would be great if we all got back in touch.

				Sincerely,

					Maneesh

					mardhems@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
 

Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: loca@netcom.com (John Hoag)
Subject: Re: Karl Marx on Brahmans and Hindus
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DCHATTERJEE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>  Mahajan and his guru, in a recent trashy article, go to the extent of making
   
>   ...Karl Marx - originator of the most
>   charming Stalinist theories had for the Brahminical intellect in India. the
>   quote appears in [1, p. 221].)  

>  appeal to all Hindus, to read the works of Dr.Marx and verify for themselves
>  how respectful, one of the *greatest* social scientists in this world, Dr.
>  Karl Marx, was towards the ancient Hindu culture or the Sanatan Hindu Dharma.

It would appear you have a guru, as well.

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From: "Amit K. Misra" <lpje103@bongo.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: North South Unity
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Namaskar Fellow Hindus!

As readers of Hindu Digest interested in promoting Hindu Unity, we should
refrain from using the terms "North India" and "South India," as if the
two were different countries.  Instead we should attempt to employ
"northern India" and "southern India."  Although this may seem trivial,
its symbolism is significant.


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From: newsmgr@mala.bc.ca
Subject: Swami Atmananda Giri visits Indiana
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:28:18 GMT
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Subject: Swami Atmananda Giri visits Indiana
From: hughes@logos.ucs.indiana.edu (larry hughes)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:11:58 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services News

In early February, Swami Atmananda Giri will be visiting the Indianapolis 
area (including Bloomington).  Swami Atmanada is the foremost disciple and
spiritual successor of Swami Hariharananda, who in turn is a disciple of 
Swami Sri Yukteswar, guru of Paramahansa Yogananda.

Paramahansa Yogananda is the author of the famous book "Autobiography 
of a Yogi."  In 1940, he gave Swami Hariharananda the second Kriya Yoga 
initiation, and in 1952, he personally authorized Swami Hariharananda 
to perform Kriya Yoga initiations.

Two free public lectures on Kriya Yoga will be given by Swami Atmananda:

  Friday, February 5
  The Pyramid, Columbus, Indiana
  7:00 PM

  Sunday, February 7
  The Hermitage, Indianapolis, Indiana
  7:00 PM

Interested parties may request more information by sending me
email, or by calling me at home, (812) 332-8183.

 //==================================================================\\
||      Larry J. Hughes, Jr.       |        hughes@indiana.edu        || 
||       Indiana University        | "The person who knows everything ||
||  University Computing Services  |        has a lot to learn."      ||
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From: Hinduism Today <0002928827@mcimail.com>
Subject: Question for your readers
Status: OR
To: "Editor, Hindu Digest" <editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu>
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:34:00 GMT
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Attn:  ~Hindu Digest
Question for your readers
In several of the western news reports on Ayodhya, the Hindu temples
attacked in Pakistan were described as "abandoned."  Is there anyone
who knows the actual status of the temples in Pakistan? Are they
truly abandoned in that no puja was performed at all in them and the
deities were removed?  Or were the deities still there and worship
done, even if infrequently and even if no worshippers except the
priest came? This is an important point. Please reply to me at
hinduism@micmail.com
Arumugaswami
Managing Editor
Hinduism Today



Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: prabu@cs.utexas.edu (Prabu Muthu)
Subject: Re: Karl Marx on Brahmans and Hindus
Status: OR
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:25:13 GMT
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From: prabu@cs.utexas.edu (Prabu Muthu)
Newsgroups: alt.hindu
Subject: Re: Karl Marx on Brahmans and Hindus
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:25:13 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin

I'm sorry to contradict yet another person, but that one quote
alone does not prove that Marx was a sympathizer of the Brahminical
system.  He has expressed, on many different occasions, his
dislike of the system.  He compares it (mistakenly, perhaps) to
the feudal system of many other cultures; Brahmins, he theorizes, 
were simply those who devised a clever way to get capital without
working at it.  This is, of course, an oversimplification of his
analysis, but it is the correct perspective.  

As far as that quote (and other similar ones) is concerned, Marx has
a seemingly contradictory habit of celebrating the very societies he
is condemning.  Even capitalism, he says, is great stuff.  But all
the goodness is due to the fact that these are necessary steps on
the way to achieving a truly Marxist (Communist, in his words, but
that term has become too closely linked to Stalinism) society.  He
also probably truly appreciated some of the Marxist tendencies of
the Brahminical society, but not in the same way as those who
idealize such a state of affairs.

Prabu


-- 
Prabu Muthu				prabu@cs.utexas.edu
Comp Sci/Philosophy

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From: news@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Interpolations and Scriptures
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Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:03:32 GMT
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Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: GANESH%COBAF@helena.nms.unt.edu
Subject:      A short but remarkable Hindu prayer
Status: OR
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Sir: Here is a short prayer to Lord Maha Vishnu, relaxing on Sesha.
It is remarkable for the numerous other gods that are mentioned in
it. I do not know the original source but have seen it in Sanskrith
for a long, long time (from childhood) in a pooja portrait called
"Anantha Sayanam" in my hometown, Thiru Anantha Puram, (British
called it Trivandrum). As many netters may be aware, one of the most
beautiful temples of India, the Sree Padmanabha Swamy Temple is
located there. My amma and appa made me recite it as a little boy and
it has been part of me ever since. So, here goes:

"SREE KRISHNAM, KSHETRA PAALAM, DWAJA BALI SAHITHAM, BHOOTHA NAATHAM,
NARASIMHAM, VYAASAM, SHAMBHUM, GANESHAM, RAGHUVARAMANUJAM JANAKEEM
VAYU PUTHRAM, VISHWAKSENAM, SUPARNAM, SURAMUNI, KAMALA, BHOOMI,
BRAHMAADI SEVYAM, VANDE SHREE PADMANABHAM, PARAMA PADA MAHO,
PANNAGA BHOGA SHAAYIM"

The commas have been added by me to indicate pauses and to improve
readability for the first time reader. Also, I am no Sanskrith
scholar, but I believe the song says, "Salutations Sree Padmanabha,
the one who is resting on the big snake, one who is
accompanied and worshipped by Sree Krishna, Kshetra Paal....."
Shall truly appreciate a more correct translation and knowledge of
original source of the poem.

Also, the accompanying color portrait is simply beautiful with every
single one of these divine beings shown in it.

Regards. - ganesh

Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: prabu@cs.utexas.edu (Prabu Muthu)
Subject: Indoctrination & the "Raj" mentality
Status: OR
To: alt-hindu@uunet.UU.NET
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:17:43 GMT
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From: prabu@cs.utexas.edu (Prabu Muthu)
Newsgroups: alt.hindu
Subject: Indoctrination & the "Raj" mentality
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:17:42 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin

S. Vidyasankar writes:
There is not much  evidence one way or the other to decide conclusively  
whether the Aryans who wrote the Vedas themselves were an indigenous  
people or whether they came from outside. It is unscientific to keep  
repeating like a parrot, the same theory without refuting another theory  
							  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
which explains the same facts. Goes to show how powerful the effect of  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
indoctrination is. 


Well, could you then please describe this contrary theory and its supporting 
evidence?  I have no problem with admitting that the Aryan invasion theory
may be inaccurate, but consider all the evidence on its side.  Archaeological
and historical evidence of certain peoples (called Aryans, but not necessarily
the same Aryans the Nazis idealized) who migrated from somewhere in western
Asia, north of Turkey and west of Russia (not the USSR, just Russia), and 
travelled through parts of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and eventually
into parts of northern India.

Notice that I made it clear that the Aryans did not necessarily *invade* the
subcontinent in some organized, highly militaristic manner; they were nomads, 
and when they found land and a lifestyle which was better than what they had
known up to that point, they decided to settle there (in northern India).  
When they met with some cultural conflict and resistance from the people who
were already there (regardless of whether these people were Dravidian or
"Aryans" who had come earlier), they had wars and naturally also exercised some
sort of dominance over them.  It happens everywhere, and it is not a one-sided
affair.  The existing people surely were coopted at times, and others simply
chose not to fight, or whatever, and there was plenty of race-mixing to make
matters even more confusing.

What I was trying to point out was that simply saying that the old Aryan invasion
theory is inaccurate does not logically produce the conclusion that the caste
system did not come from some sort of racial/cultural/class dominance ideals.

Prabu

-- 
Prabu Muthu				prabu@cs.utexas.edu
Comp Sci/Philosophy

Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: Sathyadev Uppala 9129691 <sathya@maxwell.ee.washington.edu>
Subject: SHANTI SLOKAS
Status: OR
To: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:50:50 GMT
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Dear editor,
  In one of your future editions of the Hindu D could you run an article on
Shanti slokas. Some of questions I would like to see answered are:
  a) What is the exact wording of the Slokas
  b) What is the meaning and significance of the slokas
  c) Are they a part of Rig Veda 

Thankyou

-Sathyadev

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