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From: sfr@wcusv1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Steven Schaeffer)
Subject: Library on line?
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:35:47 GMT

I assume that there are sites where the DECUS library is kept on line and I'm
hoping someone will point me to one where I can anonymous FTP a couple of the
latest submissions as announced in last week's DECSUSCOPE.

Thanks for your help,

Steve

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Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: RE: Membership fee for DECUS?
From: ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com)
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:48:41 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: sdr

In article <26AUG92.17322460@vger.niddk.nih.gov>, 
ghc@vger.niddk.nih.gov writes:
> 
> I'm afraid that I'd loose my 15+ years of association with Decus.  I have not
> been all that active - but I have attended two symposia, participate in the
> symposium tape distribution in my LUG, was an active participant in the
> PAGESWAPPER for a while and _enjoy_ the benefits of membership.
> 
> I don't think, however, that I could get my employer to pay fees for this
> membership.  I can't, as yet, even get on DECUSERVE.  Please be careful before
> a number like me are forced off the rolls.

Normally, I would be responding to this on DCS and/or DECUServe. Unfortunatly, 
I still have no communiucations (Don, I should be back up by this weekend! :-) 
) to there, so I'll respond here.

The above is true of many "LUGers". These are people who are active at the 
Local User Group level of DECUS, but not the national level. I could almost 
guarentee that the LUG librarian for this area wouldn't pay out-of-pocket and I 
know that his company won't pay.

In fact, I know, no matter how deeply I have been involved with DECUS, that I 
would most likely drop off the rolls. It would really be a matter of principle 
for me, but I haven't been paid for the hours that I have given to/for DECUS. I 
have done it because I enjoy it. To have to pay for the priviledge of being 
involved in DECUS leadership, well, sorry it won't wash. 

jmi
ivler@mdcbbs.com
DECUS New Products Mediator

[Do you have a "new product" idea for DECUS that you would like to champion? 
Yes? If so, please send the idea to ivler@mdcbbs.com - Let's see if we can make 
it work for you, and for DECUS. Make your DECUS ideas and concepts reality.]
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Membership fee for DECUS?
From: hdtodd@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu (H. D. Todd)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:20:26 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

In article <1992Aug26.103456.3697@spcvxb.spc.edu> killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes:

>        Most believe the election process is a "crapshoot".  I believe a major 
>part of the motivation for splitting the list is it may be cost achievable to 
>then do a voter education program.

Jeff,

	I'm one who also believes that the elections are a crapshoot.  But 
(damn, always the educator!), I think it's better to a) try to develop an 
informed electorate and b) trust that those actually elected rise to the 
tasks at hand.  [And I've been surprised how often and fast the turkeys who 
get elected grow into responsible individuals!]  Though these are trying 
times, I still believe in the republican form of government.

	If cost of educating the electorate is the major issue, trim the 
mailing list.  I never understood why it was not done in the past (and 
yes, I think I was supposed to be responsible for it!), but it may have had 
to do with wanting to keep the nominal membership count high, either for 
Digital or for public posturing.  If DECUS is considering other mechanisms 
to trim the membership mailing list, then why not just start with the one at 
hand: use the audit results as originally intended and drop those who don't 
respond to the audit card or haven't purchased a product in two years.  If 
past statistics hold, the membership list would drop to 25K to 30K, from 
50K.  Not a bad return on the investment (which would be nearly zero).  

	I would think that DECUS would be mighty embarassed if it imposed a 
membership fee and membership dropped to 2000.  That would not be an 
accurate reflection of the interest in DECUS or Digital, but it might be an 
accurate reflection of corporate policies and disposable individual incomes 
right now. 

	I don't like to see policy based on tactics rather than strategies.  
The membership fee idea seems motivated by tactics.  I hope the membership 
get a chance to say what they think directly.
Xref: sparky comp.org.decus:788 vmsnet.misc:756 comp.os.vms:14224 comp.sys.dec:4767
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,vmsnet.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Information for VAX4000-200 Customers
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:05:41 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <27AUG199214251690@vxcrna.cern.ch>, kassapidis@vxcrna.cern.ch (Kassapidis Panayotis, CERN) writes:
> 	My local DEC representative came and installed some FPU-checking
>       program on our VAX 4000-200, that supposedly checks the floating
>       point chip for the above mentioned problem. When I asked for an
>       upgrade she said 'No need to, since FPU_TEST hasn't discovered any
>       errors'.
> 	Am I right to believe that no matter what, I can get my CPU board
>       (my VAX's CPU not my brain! :-)) upgraded, even if FPU_TEST hasn't
>       so far discovered this problem?  Should I "demand" for the CPU
>       upgrade???

  If you have one of the affected systems (meaning it was built before the
cut-off date) you should have the module replaced whether or not you are
currently experiencing problems. The problem is related to environmental
conditions, so if you move the system to a warmer room you may start to see
faults.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
Xref: sparky comp.org.decus:802 comp.sys.dec:4803 comp.os.vms:14404
From: sims@magellan.mitre.org (Jim Sims)
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson! New Registration format for Symp
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:04:42 GMT

In <29AUG199206011793@spades.aces.com> gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.184628.3849@news.arc.nasa.gov>, mcmahon@tgv.com writes...
># 
>#I also pointed out that the DECUS cities (Atlanta, New Orleans,
>#Anaheim, Las Vegas, San Francisco) traditionally were expensive,
>#and suggested that cheaper alternatives be sought.  

>Hear Hear!  Let's form a campaign to move DECUS symposiums to
>cheaper cities.  Call it, say... DECUS Tucson '95!!!


 C'mon, guys. Surely you've read in numerous forums the reason we go to
 these cities.

 (1) We need rooms that vary in size from 20-1500 persons. 2-3 of the
 latter, a dozen or so of the former and a bunch in the 100-300 size range.

 (2) We need to feed 5-7000 people in 2 hours for lunch and breakfast.

 (3) We need hotel space that we can bus people to/from the convention
 center with less than 15 min lag time. (were you in Dallas? 45 min rides
 were the norm...)


 These are the *major* constraints. Tell me which ones you'll give up and
 we can bring DECUS to some other cities.

 And, if you look around and are a bit creative, hotels are *not* that
 expensive. I have been attending on my own $$ lately, sharing a 2-brm
 suite with 3 other peoploe typically drops you into the $30/nite range
 rather than the $60-100 range....

 sims@starbase.mitre.org                               The MITRE Corporation
 DECUS AI SIG Symposium Representative            7525 Colshire Drive   MS Z421
 the opinions are mine, who'd wanna claim 'em?          McLean, Va.   22102
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: sims@magellan.mitre.org (Jim Sims)
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson! New Registration format for Symp
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:26:44 GMT

In <1992Aug31.220014.15661@news.arc.nasa.gov> mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie/FuzzFace' McMahon) writes:
>Let's see if we can get this back on the right track.  I'm trying to
>echo the concerns I hear from other members about "why" people can't
>go to Symposium.  I realize it's a complex issue.

>I would like to think that people would be willing to exchange a
>reasonable decrease in price for a longer lag time on the bus and
>reduced (not eliminated) meal service.

 The bus ride was one of the *major* thing thatkilled Boslanta last year.
 There woulda been bus rides of over an hour to get all the DECUS attendees
 into hotels in the Boston area (after the DECworld bookings).

>Opinion: It seems to me that in Atlanta we already brush up
>against the 15 minute limit during rush hour.  

 likely so... I dont think it's an absolute rule (this is DECUS, after all ;-)

>I can't speak for function space, my guess is that the limiting factor 
>is the big rooms.  And those do fill up during the Symposium.  So I
>doubt a cut there would be useful.


 It's actually *not* the big rooms, its the count and variety.

>I heard the Symposium Committee polled attendees about this a while ago,
>what was the results of the poll ? 

 I dunno - none of this stuff I'm writing should be taken as "official
 Symposia committee propaganda", I'm just trying to add a few facts and
 some extra perspective into the thread...

>Finding housing bargains is a lot easier if they are suggested
>by official publications, or you have some DECUS experience.
>If you are a newcomer, you  are likely to use the housing bureau
>(pricey) since it's the limit of the housing information available.

 actually, there is at least one bargain in the housing form this time -
 discovering it is left as an exercise for the reader (at least till my
 confirmation comes back :-)

 sims@starbase.mitre.org                               The MITRE Corporation
 DECUS AI SIG Symposium Representative            7525 Colshire Drive   MS Z421
 the opinions are mine, who'd wanna claim 'em?          McLean, Va.   22102
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Membership fee for DECUS?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:34:56 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <hdtodd.2.714835604@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu>, hdtodd@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu (H. D. Todd) writes:
> 	I think it is a mistake to believe that dividing the mailing list 
> into customers vs. members will fix the crapshoot election process (for 
> those who don't understand the term: DECUS elections are a crapshoot, 
> because those voting are generally not sufficiently well informed about the 
> issues or the candidates' positions to make intelligent choices, thus the 
> election results reflect popularity, publicity, innuendo, etc., rather than 
> considered choices by the electorate -- at least, that's what the term 
> means; decide for yourself if that view is correct).

[Hi Dave!]

	Most believe the election process is a "crapshoot".  I believe a major 
part of the motivation for splitting the list is it may be cost achievable to 
then do a voter education program.
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie/FuzzFace' McMahon)
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson!  New Registration format for Symp
Reply-To: mcmahon@tgv.com
Organization: TGV Incorporated (Tech Support) in Santa Cruz, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:09:07 GMT


In article <1992Aug31.165933.1760@cpu.com>, gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester) writes:
=
=From your figures (which do not include lost income for the self-emplyed, at
=least $2,000 at $50/hr), which I think are a little low, the $550 is 28-37%
=reducing the fee to $500 would cut the cost by only about 2-3%.

What if we could go to $350 ?  I agree that $25/$50 bucks is a drop in the
bucket, but the Symposium price is a number that DECUS has control over.

DECUS doesn't control airfares, hotel prices or the cost of food... 
those can't be fixed.  But dropping the prices of items that DECUS does
control seems like a good idea.

=As for the
=hotel, all of the cities we are using have lower cost rooms (~$25/night) in the
=suburbs, all you have to do is drive or take public transportation.

Agreed.  I'd like to see these options stressed in the Symposium
documentation.  The more information we provide to attendees about
how to do DECUS cheaply, the better.

--
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Santa Cruz, California 95060 ()  Twisted Pair (UTP)"   
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Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: ghc@vger.niddk.nih.gov
Subject: RE: Membership fee for DECUS?
Organization: NIH K-LMB, Molecular Structure
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:32:24 GMT

I was trying to respond to this a few days ago but my news reader
balked.  Is there a message in that ;-)?

In a previous article, dsroberts@beckman.com wrote:
>On a conference on DCS and DECUServe, a DECUS leader has begun a topic
>discussing charging a fee for membership in DECUS.  It sounds like a proposal
>is gelling to have two types of member, a "full" and an "associate", where the
>"full" gets things like DECUScope, can vote, etc. and pays the membership fee,
>while an "associate" only gets notification of symposium and other such revenue
>generating DECUS products.  This appears to be a cost-cutting proposal (and
>tree saving), as it seems to be expensive to mail EVERYTHING to all 50,000 US
>members but only have a small percentage actually care.
> 
>Anyone care to comment on this?

I'm afraid that I'd loose my 15+ years of association with Decus.  I have not
been all that active - but I have attended two symposia, participate in the
symposium tape distribution in my LUG, was an active participant in the
PAGESWAPPER for a while and _enjoy_ the benefits of membership.

I don't think, however, that I could get my employer to pay fees for this
membership.  I can't, as yet, even get on DECUSERVE.  Please be careful before
a number like me are forced off the rolls.

Gerson Cohen, NIH
ghc@vger.niddk.nih.gov
From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: DECUS Costs ( was Re: Danger Will Robinson!...)
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:26:29 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Aug28.184628.3849@news.arc.nasa.gov>, mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie/FuzzFace' McMahon) writes:
> 
> I also pointed out that the DECUS cities (Atlanta, New Orleans,
> Anaheim, Las Vegas, San Francisco) traditionally were expensive,
> and suggested that cheaper alternatives be sought.  
> 
   The last time I was at a DECUS in Anaheim ( I think it was 1985 ) it 
seemed that there were some pretty reasonable hotel prices available there,
( I forget where I stayed, but the cost wasn't bad ) and from some of the
signs on the motels which surround Disneyland it seemed that even better
deals could be had if one was willing to go to the effort to make the
arrangements ( ie rather than using the DECUS "housing" system ). I've also
seen "Disneyland charter" packages including airfare and hotel which could
possibly tie into a DECUS visit there ( especially if you're able to
arrange sharing a room with a colleague or two ). 

   I didn't find this the case in San Francisco - I ended up at the Hilton
for a fairly steep price.

   I understand that finding a centre able to host a convention the size
of a DECUS Symposium is not all that easy and that's why they keep using 
the same 3 or 4 cities.

-- 
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From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DECUS Fall 1992 Symposia (Las Vegas)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:04:07 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Sep1.111408.3747@spcvxb.spc.edu>, killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes:
> If you have not received your 16 page DECUS Fall 1992 Symposia Program by now 
> please send a mail message to OSKIRKO@DECUS.ORG.  Please include...
> 
> 	Name
> 	Address
> 	City, State, Zip
> 	DECUS membership number


Poor Mary Oskirko - she has been getting bombed with mail messages since my
last net posting.  The messages fall into three groups... 

	1) Folks who received their reg kit for Fall Symposia but are looking
	for more information.

	2) Folks who are _not_ members or current members and are looking to
	join the U.S. Chapter.

	3) Folks who are current members but didn't receive their reg kits.

Mary is looking for information from the group 3 folks and not the group 1 & 2
folks.  The group 1 folks should call 1-800-358-2614.  The group 2 folks
should send net mail to information@decus.org.  Only the group 3 folks should
send Mary net mail (oskirko@decus.org) with... 

	Name
	Address
	Current membership number

Thanks for your help...

From:   ("OSKIRKO@decus.org"@PMDF@EISNER)                                
Date:    4-SEP-1992 09:59:08.87
To:     KILLEEN@EISNER.DECUS.ORG
Subj:   message about addresses

Jeff,

here is a message.  it may be opening a bigger can of worms or not make any 
sense - what do you think?

Mary

This is a follow-up to the message regarding non-receipt of the 12 page DECUS
Fall 1992 Seminars/Symposium Brochure: 

If you know that the reason you did not receive the brochure is due to a
change in address or you are not currently a DECUS member, please send a note
to Information@decus.org.  Please note the change/wish to become a member and
also request the Registration Brochure. 

If you received the brochure and would like to receive the Seminars/Symposium
Program, please see the instructions on the Information Reply Card or call
1-800-358-2614. 

We are asking your help in following these procedures because we are tracking
the mailing of the Registration Brochure since we have been notified by some
organizations that bulk mail will either 1.  not be delivered, 2.  be
delivered only if mailstop is included  3.  delivered to one central address. 
FYI, DECUSCOPE was mailed out the beginning of August, also bulk mail, and
should have been received beginning around the week of 8/15 - there may be an
address issue if, in addition to the Registration Brochure, you did not
receive the Summer 1992 issue of DECUSCOPE either. 
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester)
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson! New Registration format for Symp
Organization: Computerized Processes Unlimited, Metairie, LA, (504)-889-2784
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:09:37 GMT
Reply-To: gwlester@cpu.com

In article <1992Aug31.211910.15045@verdix.com>, esther@verdix.com (Esther Lumsdon) writes:
>gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester) writes:
>
>... As for the
>>hotel, all of the cities we are using have lower cost rooms (~$25/night) in the
>>suburbs, all you have to do is drive or take public transportation.
>
>I quibble with your figures.  I've stayed in the outer suburbs of Atlanta
>for ~ $40 per night, and paid ~ $10 per day to park near the Georgia
>World Congress Center. in 1987. I suspect it's more expensive now.
>
>Heck, I haven't seen a Motel 6 that was under $34 for several years!
>-- 
>------ Esther Lumsdon   employed by, not speaking for, Verdix Corporation
>     It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
>  esther@verdix.com  or  esther%verdix.com@uunet.uu.net   

Esther,
	I can not personal speak for Atlanta, but for New Orleans and L.A.
they do exist.  When we are comming back to New Orleans drop me a line and I'll
let you know the *cheap* hotels on a bus line.  I personally perfer to pay for
the convience and service at the nicer hotels.  (I just came off of vaction in
L.A. and stayed at the Hilton that DECUS uses, so it is not just when I'm
spending company money)

Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: bernd@cc.uow.edu.au (Bernd Wechner)
Subject: Translating sixel graphics format?
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:23:28 GMT

We have a program on a VMS system which produces sixel graphics output
for DEC printers. I'd like to take this output and print it off site on
any of the printers I can find there. HP or Epson or whatever, we just
don't keep super-expensive DEC printers anywhere away from their
immediate site of applicability.

I'm curious to know if DECUS has ever released a tool to convert sixel
graphics, and if this is even the right place to be looking for one?

Any pointers?

Thanks,

Bernd.
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,vmsnet.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec