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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:22:53 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Top 5 Vocalists
              7 Oct 1992 11:07:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:07:00 EST <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> said:
>Off the top of my head with an obvious Metal taint:
>1)  Geoff Tate - lead vocalist of Queensryche. The voice, the man, no one
>    else can touch him. He has lost some of his range since Queensryche's
>    early music. Live on stage, he is even better. Very theatrical. Could
>    probably sing opera if he wanted.

I actually looked for some Queensryche at the library to give them a chance
because i think some of you were right, beacuse i haven't heard them. I didn't
find it, but maybe some of my friends children will have some (not being a
smartass here). So stay tuned maybe i'll like them. i will give them a
chance, but I have heard Pearl Jam and they're IMHO (re-read that IMHO)    .
they are a joke.....L.'trying to be fair'W.

P.S. this is not an apology but i think i was premature in judging them.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:13:44 CDT
From:         Cammie Milligan <CCCAMMIE@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      lyrics

My roommates and I were listening to a little tune titled something like:
"Build a Little Birdhouse in Your Soul" the other day and just for kicks
we decided to try and figure out all of the lyrics.  Unfortunately, we ran
into some muddled spots in the tape and couldn't quite understand everything.
I was wondering if anyone knew what album this song was on and if they have
the lyrics.  Unfortunately I had to unsubscribe to allmusic due to too much
mail--so please send any responses directly to me at cccammie@mizzou1.

thanx in advance,
Camaro
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:31:41 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: It's time for a reality check.

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:07:00 EST <CMBIRCH@INDSVAX1> said:
>Hey Allmusicers,
>
>    Have any of you people ever writen some original music, or do you just
2take every opportunity to critique everyone elses?

I write quite a bit of orginals and have recording a few and "shopped"
them around but no response. I agree i would like to here advice/observations
on different approaches to writing

>    This list needs some creativity.  Get a few guitars, assorted amps
>and drums and a garage and have a blast!  My band just sets up a
>Wal-Mart el cheapie radio and records our improvs.
>    Instead of talk it. Do it.

I did that this weekend on a cheapie panasonic and it revealed quite a bit
One the harp player overplays and,myself, the guitar player got sloppier
as the beer flowed. So i'll cut down on the alcohol next time.
NEW THREAD:
I would like to know if most people work out the songs note-for-note or
do as i prefer and Live-on-the-edge every time(of course some songs require
some working out), but otherwise it gets mechinical and looses it's intensity
and instead of being fun it becomes work and you play the same solo over and
over it seems to loose it's "fire" what are your thoughts....Lenny Ray
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:14:13 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92101300094619@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET writes:
>Coming from the other side, if an improvisor teaches him/herself an
>hour-long lick, and trains him/herself to follow a score to know where
>in the lick he/she is at that moment by reading the score, that musician
>has become a classically trained musician.

But that is not what improvisation is about.  Maybe for some people, who
have pre planned licks that they play regardless of the situation.
In fact, there are many musicians who do play that way, but it generally
is regarded as lesser improvisation.

The fact is, when there is a group playing, if you are any kind of
improviser, you cannot plan to play any given lick, because the musical
situation is always different.

When you get down to it, it is true there are only 12 notes, so by the
time you play a 13th, you have repeated yourself.  And more so, there levels
of musical organization above a single note that are repeated, such as
melodic motive, rhythmic riffs.  But when you tie these elements into
changing musical situations, such as accent placement, various phrasing
features, and when the performance technique is geared on relating these
events, you really cannot say that it is merely learning a variety of
short licks than a classical piece.  It is not the way an improviser
should think about it.

Jeff
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:30:16 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Music to Boat by

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:28:40 EDT Ken Koester said:
>I am now the proud owner of a 24' Rainbow class sloop.  And when I sloop--er,
>sail--I like to belt out a few lusty sea chanteys from time to time, as
>usually no one is within range to object.  Trouble is, I can't think of very
>much besides "The Sloop John B." and "Southern Cross", which is my oeuvre of
>choice at the moment.  So--in the grand tradition of =ALLMUSIC= lists, send
>me your favorite sailing songs!  (Winners will be spared my rendition of same,
>I hasten to assure you)  Lyrics aren't necessary right now; if I don't
>recognize your song, either I won't sing it or I'll track it down if
>need be :-)
        Ahoy, Capt. Ken --
          You should check out The Oxford Book of Sea Songs, chosen and ed. by
          Roy Palmer (Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press, 1986) - ISBN 0-19-214159-7.
          Contains 159 chanteys and ballads of the deep. (Sloop John B. and
          Southern Cross aren't among them, but that's OK; you know them
          anyway.)
      It has 18 verses of Blow the Man Down--enough to make anyone jump
      overboard or heave ho all over the quarterdeck.
      Other titles worth a look: Lustily Lustily, The Famous Fight at Malago,
      The Female Cabin Boy, The Sailors' Wives, and I Am an Ancient Mariner.

If you're too much of a TV-generation child to not depend on the tube,
I suggest the theme songs to Gilligan's Island, Popeye and the Love Boat.
At least they'll bring a sense of the familiar to your voyage.

Shiver me timbers,
Rick
From: ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET (Tim Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Classical Music Poll - part II
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:06:44 GMT
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>>A list of the few works which got more than one mention.
>>In order by composer:

>That list is alphabetical order.  Which piece got the most votes?
>Jeff


  Vivaldi's Four Seasons won, followed closely by (surprise)
the Golberg Variations....  (talk about your sleeper hit...  ;-)


                             -Tim
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:53:14 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Marillion CD

         Bob T. writes:
> I am a huge Marillion fan.

Well, then maybe you can tell me something about the gossip that
Marillion's soloist (sorry - don't know his name) had some kind of
freak with his mind and thought that he was Peter Gabriel?
     Ilia.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:34:00 EST
From:         EJCLAUS@INDSVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Curved Air

        Last week a couple people mentioned the band Curved Air; I have
never heard their music, but I remember reading somewhere that Stewart
Copeland (an excellent drummer) or Andy Summers was in Curved Air before
The Police.
        For what it's worth, P.C.
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:08:13 CDT
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Irish music/religion
              9 Oct 1992 11:20:06 CDT from <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>

On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:20:06 CDT Dave Hall said:
>U2 started out as a political
>band, but have since given up on that (Political bands don't make much money,
>just look at Elvis Costello).  Even Bob Dylan's latest work seems to lack
>it's earlier power and voice.  What's happening here?  Why has speaking
>out become such a major deal?  And why do we chastise people who do?

U2 did *not* start out as a 'political band'. Their first 2 albums, Boy and
October, are not political. It's their third album, War, which started their
political bent. Ironically, it's the one that really broke them out and got a
lot of attention (and it's still arguably their best). Generally though, I'd
agree that people speaking out don't tend to have as much commercial success,
but I'd ascribe it more to the fact that most of those having the gonads to
state their convictions strongly also have the guts to make music that doesn't
necessarily follow whatever trendy commercial formula is currently popular.

Paul Heroy
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:52:16 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Oconnor on MTV

   Am I the only one to see Sinead O'Connor's MTV interview, done just
after her Saturday Night Live performance?  It's a highly coherent
explanation of her feelings towards organized religion.  It's well
worth watching, even if (maybe especially if) you hate her.

  She is strident, and a dweeb, but no comparison to Madonna in the
publicity-grubbing department.  I don't like her music per se, but I like
the fact that she can rattle peoples cages.  It's a good thing her head is
shaved, so we can see that there's no 666 up there.

  So, are we doing the top posters again?  I know I'm on top of Carol, ha,
Scott, wanna tell me what number I am?

OMC:  Eddie Blackwell's drumming on "Dolphy Little Remembered", that bogus
CD I recently got, is excellent.

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:23:51 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 2nd attempt--
              Hosken" at Oct 16, 92 1:49 pm

>
> Secondly - can any one tell me if the book 'The Complete Beatles
>           Recording Sessions' by Mark Lewisohn is available in the USA,
>           because it has been deleted here in Europe? I'm also
>           interested in a second-hand copy if anyone wants to sell
>           me their's.
>
> Still hopeful,
> Paul
>

Paul, I meant to look this up for you and then forget; so I made a call this
morning and the book is available at a local bookstore--they are holding it for
me.  (I'm posting this note to the net so nobody ELSE goes out and gets it
for you also!)

 And they have a new book by Lewisohn (just pub. this month, in fact) called
the Complete Beatles Chronicle.

 Please e-mail me for further details...

Sonia  (P.S. the bookstore is called Border's --it's worth the plug --best
bookstore ever!!)
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From: jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ceridwyn)
Subject: Re: Irish music/religion
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:11:00 GMT

MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET writes:

>I don't know Indigo Girls' music yet; will check it out, cuz this
>ain't the first time I've heard good things. But with all due respect:
>if you want music with a message, listen to Anton Webern's _Symphony_,
>opus 21
>Cheers,
>Michael

Listen to Rites of Passage, the Indigo Girls are Godlike!!!!
<I'm a big fan>
Ceridwyn
jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

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Subject: Re: Red Devils
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:41:15 GMT
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Walt says:

>Just heard a new cut on the radio - a new live album - the cut was called
>'Highwayman' and was excellent raw blues. These guys are good! You know,
>I think they remind me alot of early Savoy Brown. Good Stuff.
>Bye - got to go....

The Red Devils are backing Mick Jagger on his new solo album which will be
strictly blues tunes.

-Adam
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:08:03 EDT
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Classical Music Poll - part III

Dear Ken,
  Sure; gotta make it quick, since I've got a gig tonight. The operatic
stage not only produced most of the major innovations in form, especially
harmonic technique, it created the models for form, melodic sound ideal,
and rhetorical organization used in more "intimate" genres such as chamber
music. From Haydn to Berg, the first violin is a soprano, rhetorically
acting out a melodic drama in conversation with the other characters in
the group.. you get the idea. Opera is the basis of all this musical thinking,
the parent institution which nurtured the perspective on what is possible
in musical thought.
Cheers,
Michael
ps the main hyperbole also stands; it is hard to find works of the sustained
musical logic of _Orfeo_, _Don Giovanni_, _Tristan_, _Otello_, and _Lulu_
elsewhere, if for no other reason than other forms do not demnd the same
scale of concentration..
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:14:26 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Cocteau Twins

     I just realized that in the time I've been on the list.  I don't think
I've ever heard mention of the Cocteau Twins.  Is this coincidence or is
the general consensus one of extreme dislike?  Just wondering.....

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Date: 15 Oct 92 20:49:51 GMT
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While it's certainly true that the classics can be 'improvised', I believe
there is another dimension to improvization... as Sonia sed, there's a lot
more to improvising than just technique... while it's true, as we've said
in earlier discussions on the topic, that training or early impressions
come in to play in any music we do, I think it's also important to remember
that many times, improvising means going 'out', no matter the form that it
takes... as Sonia & others who've listened to my particular 'style' will tell
you, my playing will move in many different directions (sometimes all at
once)... 'trained' ears sometimes perceive this as 'wierd', or 'untrained'...
now, I'll agree that there are MANY folks playing today who DON'T sound very
'good' when they're doing that kind of thing - self included, on many occasions
 -
but the SPIRIT of improv sort of demands (in my way of thinking, anyway) A
NON-dedication to 'training' or 'rightness'... no reason why good improv has
to be all WIERD, either... I know that I find myself crossing lines/styles all
 the time... sometimes right in the MIDDLE of a
piece... but if it's FROM the heart, or the spirit, or whatever metaphysical
term we attach to it & if the artist has even a MODICUM of talent, it seems
to TRANSCEND the 'expected'... as I believe it SHOULD!
Elsewise, we'd ALWAYS be listening to the same thing!

ZZAJ
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Subject:      Re: It's time for a reality check.

Leonard sez:
>
NEW THREAD:
I would like to know if most people work out the songs note-for-note or
do as i prefer and Live-on-the-edge every time(of course some songs require
some working out), but otherwise it gets mechinical and looses it's intensity
and instead of being fun it becomes work and you play the same solo over and
over it seems to loose it's "fire" what are your thoughts....Lenny Ray  <

Well, for me, when I practice improvising on the guitar or bass or keyboards,
I don't play the same stuff over and over again--it's sorta like
doing an Indian raga--soloing within a framework, just to get into the
feel of the song.  I put a rhythm on the R5 drum machine, and I just go
for a good 30 minutes, playing what feels right.  i suck at playing
really fast scales and stuff, so I stick to the more slow, moody style
(kinda like Miles Davis).  On the other hand, when I come up with a song
that has a lot of passion and pivots on the solo, I make every note count
(it's a melody that is played the same, not really an improvisation, but
an expression of a theme on a solo instrument nonetheless).

Mike Masuda

    Re: It's time for a reality check.                                     R
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From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More Indigo Girls

>So, you guys are great for responding and NOT
>typecasting and blowing them off.  Okay, that digression is over.

Flattery will get you everywhere.  But then, I think (?) this list is
mostly guys and most of the people here are pretty open to music, so take
that for what you will.

An interesting story.  At the first Indigo Girls show I went to, during
"Kid Fears"  some of my friends (and I) started yelling "Stipe, Stipe...."
because REM had a show in the area the night before and was rumored to be
at the show.  However, some of the fans seemed to think we were yelling
"Dykes, dykes, dykes..."  and words were exchanged.  Ah well, just a story.

>About RITES..., well, yes it IS experimental, but the base is still that of
>two acoustic guitars (E's is a full-bodies Martin J-40M, and A's is a rebuilt
>1942 Martin O-18, if anyone is interested), with E playing lead and A strumming
>her heart out.  But you can't play the same music for the rest of your life,
>and they're not CHANGING their sty{le, their BUILDING upon it.  RITES is
>.......[more valid comments about RITES deleted]

I totally agree.  I was just responding to the question as to which album to
start with, and I thought _Indigo Girls_ more representative of their sound.

Anyway, gotta go.

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:21:17 MDT
From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Music to Boat by

Ken said:

>I am now the proud owner of a 24' Rainbow class sloop.

Oh wow!  What did you name her?

>And when I sloop--er,
>sail--I like to belt out a few lusty sea chanteys from time to time, as
>usually no one is within range to object.  Trouble is, I can't think of very
>much besides "The Sloop John B." and "Southern Cross", which is my oeuvre of
>choice at the moment.  So--in the grand tradition of =ALLMUSIC= lists, send
>me your favorite sailing songs!  (Winners will be spared my rendition of same,
>I hasten to assure you)  Lyrics aren't necessary right now; if I don't
>recognize your song, either I won't sing it or I'll track it down if
>need be :-)

How about "The Mary Ellen Carter" by Stan Rogers??  You know how it goes:

She went down last October in a pouring driving rain,
The skipper he'd been drinking and the mate he felt no pain...

A rather uplifting tune... I have all the words if you want them...

If you ever need a first mate, lemme know and we'll sing in salty harmony.

- Carol
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Date: 16 Oct 1992 13:46:50 GMT
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In a previous article, ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET ("Leonard Watkins") says:

>So now it's put up or shut up....admit your wrong and can't do it or
>fill my mailbox.......What you gonna do......I'll be waiting L.W.

>P.S. don't get fired up and start trying to flame me or something stupid
>like that...just mail it and i'll send a reveiw to the board.

  I have a better idea -- why don't you make use of a sampler and a
drum machine to come up with one of those "tunes that anyone could whip
out and get airplay," and then we can compare credibility files. As a 
matter of fact, I'll even go so far as to make a contest of it. You try
to record something in the vein of Peter Gabriel, and I'll take a shot 
at whatever authentic blues master's style you'd like to hear me try. 
I'll even let you pick the judges. Don't throw down the glove unless you
really want someone to pick it up, my friend.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Music to boat by
              8 Oct 1992 12:18:03 EDT from <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM>

How 'bout "My Blue Heaven", "Thousands Are Sailing", or "If I Should Fall
From Grace With God".  Well. at least there's water in two of 'em and they're
really great to drink to.

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