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From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)
Subject: NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 12-30-92
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:39:42 GMT
Keywords: wednesday night's boxscores



NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 12/30/92.

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                                  STANDINGS
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE
 TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT
 
 PIT  26  9  3  55   MON  22 13  4  48   CHI  21 14  4  46   CAL  23 10  4  50
 WAS  20 16  3  43   QUE  21 12  6  48   DET  20 17  3  43   VAN  22 10  3  47
 NYR  19 15  4  42   BOS  21 13  2  44   MIN  18 13  5  41   LA   20 13  4  44
 NJ   18 16  1  37   BUF  15 15  6  36   TOR  15 16  5  35   WIN  14 19  3  31
 NYI  16 17  4  36   HAR  11 22  3  25   TB   14 22  2  30   EDM  13 20  5  31
 PHL  13 18  5  31   OTT   3 33  3   9   STL  12 19  5  29   SJ    6 31  1  13


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Philadelphia Flyers  (13-18-5)   2   2   2   -   6
San Jose Sharks       (6-31-1)   0   0   2   -   2

1st period: PHL, Recchi 22 - (Fedyk, Yushkevich) 4:47
	    PHL, Brind'Amour 16 - (Recchi, Benning) (pp) 16:09

2nd period: PHL, Recchi 23 - (Brind'Amour, Benning) (pp) 11:56
	    PHL, Cronin 1 - (Snuggerud, Yushkevich) 13:35

3rd period: SJS, T.Pederson 5 - (Kisio, Garpenlov) 0:35
	    SJS, Whitney 3 - (Carter, Corriveau) 1:41
	    PHL, Galley 5 - (Paslawski, Fedyk) 8:03
	    PHL, Hynes 3 - (Brind'Amour) 13:00

Powerplay Opportunities-Flyers 2 of 3
			Sharks 0 of 6

Shots on Goal-	Flyers  16  12   8  -  36
		Sharks   8  12  15  -  35

Philadelphia Flyers--Soderstrom (3-3-1) (35 shots - 33 saves)
San Jose Sharks--Hackett (2-13-1) (36 shots - 30 saves)

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Hawks News 12-24
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:31:41 GMT

In article <Bzw0pL.5HH@chinet.chi.il.us> prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts) writes:
>2) I think the sportswriters and their editors have gotten quite jaded
>about the NHL regular season. AFter all, how many times do teams finish
>with great regular-season records and then flame out in the playoffs? Or
>conversely, look how many teams with mediocre regular-season records
>turn it on come April and storm to the Finals. More than any other

This is an absolute myth which the statistics do not prove at all out.
Regular season performance and playoff performance are strongly
correlated.  When a first place team does not win, there is almost
always a factor which one can point too relating to an injury, a
team that was rebuilding over the course of a season, a rookie
goaltender that choked in the playoffs (the Blackhawks a couple of
years ago)...teams which finish first have won about 70% of the playoff
series they have participated in, in the first two rounds since the
the NHL went to the basic divisional structure they have now.


>sport, the NHL has relegated its regular season to almost exhibition
>status, at least for the top 10 teams or so. That has not been reflected
>in the attendance in CHicago, but I think it is refelcetd in the media
>coverage. In the NBA, there is a much better correlation between
>regular-season performance and playoff performance, so the regular
>season games don't seem so meaningless.

The Oilers typically finished first in their division during the
dynasty years and won the Cup....3 1st's and 2 2nd's...and one of
those seconds, the last one was a season with a huge player turnover
...and Pittsburgh, apart from last
year, which was characterized by a new owner, a dead coach, and
a major trade, is doing the same. Calgary was 1st when they won in
1989...and the Islanders were 1st (twice) and 2nd (twice) in their
division the years they won the Stanley Cup....and the Montreal
Canadiens were 1st in their division every year of their late
seventies dynasty.

Pittsburgh was the only 3rd place team in over two decades to 
win the Stanley Cup, and they were a defending champion...the
fact is that is a team does not finish 1st or 2nd in their
division...the chances of winning the Stanley Cup are almost
remote.

Gerald

Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:45:19 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Quebec/Pens


I forgot to mention that Tom Barrasso was in goal for the Pens last night.

Mom.
From: cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Minnesota-St. Louis Summary
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:53:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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More on Blues - Northstars.
Ron Hoggarth proved last night why he is he worst ref in the NHL.
Minnesota had 8 Power Plays to one for the Blues and that allowed them to 
get back in the game which the Bliues were dominating for the first two periode
Typical game for the Blues. Hull can't hit the side of a barn this year and Joeseph plays great then gets gbeat on two fluke goals.  Both deflected off Blues defenseman.  
Blues are starting to show some signs of life. If Hullie gets hot and joseph 
keeps playing good they can turn this season around in the final 40 

Jim S.  
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Canada-Sweden
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:32:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.215141.25721@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>In <1992Dec29.150640.3373@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
>>>>>> Three stars (personal opinion):
>>>>>> 1 - Peter Forsberg
>>>>>
>>>>>Not only for his outstanding play, but for the great motivational speech
>>>>>to the Canadian team about how they couldn't skate and how easy they
>>>>>would be for Sweden to beat. 
>>>>
>>>> I strongly doubt he ever said that, he is absolutely not the type that
>>>> makes cocky statements. Besides, his friend Tyler Wright was over in Sweden
>>>> to visit him this summer... I don't think that's the kind of things you
>>>> say to your friends.
>>>
>>>Forsberg was quoted as saying before the game
>>>"They (the Canadians) are not so good.  We are going to beat them.  We
>>>are a much better team.  We are better skaters.  They play tough but it
>>>is a bigger ice surface, and they're going to have some problems with
>>>that.  They maybe are not so tough, but we better be careful to not get
>>>hurt in a game like this."
>>>
>>>From an article by Bob McKenzie in the Toronto Star.
>>>
>
>> Well, well... turns out that Forsberg never said that the Canadians
>> "couldn't skate", as you first stated. Instead, he said that the Swedes
>> are better skaters than the Canadians. There is quite a difference...
>
>You see Staffan, Gerald does not bother to stay with the facts, if the
>other way around the story will be more in his liking. :-).
>

My first statement was not a verbatim quote, but a paraphrase, and I did
not say it was a verbatim quote...when challenged, I went back and got
the verbatim quote...my paraphrase captures the connotation that any
Canadian would make from the verbatim quote...that Forsberg denigrated
the skating ability and the quality of the Canadian team...you're nit-
picking by confusing paraphrasing with quotation.

Gerald
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: What exactly is a game winning goal?
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:21:15 GMT

umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Bo Wu) wrote:
>    What exactly is a game winning goal as being counted in the player's stat?
>Suppose two teams play each other and have the follow scoring sequences in
>two games:

>Game 1. 0:0 -> 1:0 -> 2:0 -> 3:0 -> 4:0 -> 4:1

>Game 2. 0:0 -> 1:0 -> 1:1 -> 2:1

>    I think only the second goal in Game 2. should be counted because it is
>a tie breaker. But the second goal in Game 1. doesn't mean a lot as a
>winning goal ( The team can still win without that goal. ).

You seem to understand the definition by your example. I think the game-tying
goal stat is meaningful. But I think the game-winning goal stats is meaningful
if it breaks the tie and that is the way the game ends (especially an OT goal).

Tampa had one of the most bogus GW goals that you can get: up 1-0 and the Blues
goalie pulled, a TB player got an empty netter. St. Louis later scored to make
the game 2-1. The game winner was an empty-netter.

The definition is concrete, the meaning is vague. Likewise, if a game-winning
goal was the goal that gave a team a lead that they never relinquished, it too
can be misleading.

I don't think that GW and GT goals stats are that meaningful. You can take a
players regular, power-play, short-handed, empty-net, and penalty-shot goal
totals and make observations about his ability (e.g. if a player has more
power-play goals than regular goals, maybe he's not as good a scorer since he
needs the space of the man advantage). You might think that a player with a
large percentage of a team's GW goals is good in the clutch, but it all
depends on when these GW goals occur. If the team blows out the opposition
a lot, the GW goal is less meaningful. If the GW goals occur late in the
third, then you can describe the player better using the stat.

Stats can't predict the future. Most stats CAN explain the past. The GW goal
stat can't tell you much either way.

Tom
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From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: trade rumour as player motivator
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:36:32 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

Just an impression, but haven't a number of players who have been 
the subject of trade rumours demonstrated a marked improvement in
play following the "spread" of the rumour? Clark, Pearson, Larmer,
Kovalev all come to mind in this respect.

Thus do some GMs and coaches purposely start these rumours in order
to motivate slumping players?

Smitty
smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
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From: gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Question about salaries?
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:53:15 GMT

-- 
Question:
	When a player has a contract with an NHL team and midseason gets
sent down to the minors, what happens to their salary, anything?

	I heard the other day that Gilbert Dionne was sent to Fredericton, so
a friend asked me if his salary would change, I immediately said that it would
but now that I thought about it, I am unsure.  If he is still receiving the
the same salary then there would be no reason for him to get motivated after
his demotion to make it back on the team.  Demers stated that his intension in
sending Dionne to the AHL was to motivate him because he was not giving 100%.
	Can anyone clear this up for me it is bugging me!


Merry Christmas everyone!
Have a safe and Happy Holiday.
Make sure you celebrate my birthday on New Years Eve!!!

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: RE: Rangers home games around January 18-20
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:55:02 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <BSON.92Dec29164745@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) writes:
>   Funny you should ask... On the 19th the Bruins will be there,
>probably pretty fired up, having folded in and blown a 5-2 lead in the
>last 7 minutes of the third period this past Sunday -- after
>outplaying the Rangers for two and a half periods. That should make a
>pretty good game on the 19th!
>
>   Too bad I'll be out somewhere in the Belize rain forest hiking and
>canoeing and lugging around photo equipment then. Games are much less
>fun on tape.
 
Yeh,and it's too bad that the Bruins will be playing the *Islanders* on
the 19th.

Referring back to this last Sunday's Bruins' debacle in the hands of the
Rangers: from all Boston newspaper accounts,it was quite a somber bus ride
from their Midtown hotel to the airport to catch the flight to Winnepeg
on Monday morning. Not a word was said by anyone from the equipment staff
to management.

Bruins will see the Rangers at MSG again on March 15th(O' Ceasar!),1993.

Happy New Year to EveryOne in r.s.h!

-PPV Mark
From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Patrice Brisebois' Status
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:31:40 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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Can someone fill me in on Patrice Brisebois' injury status?  Last I heard he
had come out of the Dec. 16th game against Quebec with a charlie horse.  I need
to know if he has played in any of the three subsequent games.  I don't think
he has, but if someone can tell me for sure, I would appreciate it.  Thanks in
advance.

Cheers,
   Brad

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From: kuip@sus.edu.eur.nl (F. Kuiper)
Subject: AGPO TOURNAMENT   --->   results
Summary: results from the AGPO-tournament
Organization: EUR
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:02:25 GMT

Hello everybody, here are the results from the AGPO-tournament, which was
held last weekend in Zoetermeer (The Netherlands).
The teams that played in this tournament are :
The Netherlands
Denmark
Slovenia
Finland  (finland played with the olympic team , which consists of young 
          players)

The results :

Friday :
Finland       -    Slovenia     1 - 1
Netherlands   -    Denmark      4 - 6   (1-3,2-1,1-2)

Saturday :
Finland       -    Denmark      7 - 0
Netherlands   -    Slovenia     3 - 3   (1-1,2-1,0-1)

Sunday :
Denmark       -    Slovenia     6 - 3
Netherlands   -    Finland      1 - 4   (0-0,1-1,0-3)



The final standings :  

    Team         GP  Pts  GF   GA
---------------------------------
1.  Finland      3 - 5    12 - 2 
2.  Denmark      3 - 4    12 - 14
3.  Slovenia     3 - 2     7 - 10
4.  Netherlands  3 - 1     8 - 13 

cheers,

Friso Kuiper.

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Canada-USA WJHC game
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:17:55 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1992Dec28.113643.1160@mala.bc.ca> apland@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>>And you're completely right Glenn, Daigle was very impressive in the first, 
>>>then disappeared in the 2nd and 3rd, primarily since Perry was playing the
>>>hot line of McAmmond-Shantz-Lafayette; they were making things happen.
>>>
>> 
>>  Daigle wasn't very impressive in the Canada-Sweden game. The Senators 
>>  scouts must not have been very happy with that. 
>
>What's with this Daigle?  I too was looking to see how good this guy is.  Except
>for some flashes in the first period in each of the two games played he showed
>nothing.  He wasn't played very much either for a premier player.  Is there a
>conflict with his coaches?  Attitude problem?  Also, with the press on him
>over that last month or so it seems he is modelling himself after Lindros.
>Anyone have any insight into this guy?
>

Chris Gratton hasn't played much either...Pronger and Niedermayer have
played regularly and well, although Niedermayer plays on what is 
mainly the third and checking line.

It is difficult for a 17-year old to dominate in a tournament with
the very best 18 and 19 year olds in the world.  Canada had a tough
schedule right off the top because of the poor finish last year, and
had to go with the more proven, reliable talent against the US,
Sweden, and Russia.  The point of the tournament is to win, not
to provide a platform for Daigle to develop...he will have his
chance to dominate later this week, and next year.  

>>  The Quebec scouts, however,
>>  must have been smiling up to their ears (Peter Forsberg).
>> 
>I'll say!  If that game is representative of Forsberg's play and he can do it
>in the NHL then Quebec fleeced Philly on the Lindros trade IMO.
>

Can you believe that Aubut PREFERRED the Ranger deal...talk about being
saved from one's own stupidity.

Gerald
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kariya (was Re: Canada-USA WJHC game)
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:47:03 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1992Dec29.022502.2537@merrimack.edu> nin15b34@merrimack.edu (Mike Machnik) writes:
>
>Although the Hobey Baker Award (college hockey's Heisman) tends to go to an
>upperclassman, Kariya is getting more and more serious consideration.  It
>will be interesting to see if they break tradition and award it to a freshman
>for the first time ever.
>
>What surprises me is that with all the talk about Kozlov and Daigle, I've
>heard little outside of college hockey in terms of Kariya's draft potential.
>I can't see how he could go any lower than third next year, and with the
>publicity he's bound to get out of the juniors and if he continues his
>assault on the record books, he could be a candidate for the top pick.

Small people don't go early in the draft...i.e. see Joe Sakic...or
for example Ralph Intranuovo, who is also on this Canadian team, who
wasn't selected until the third round, and who is playing while other
1st rounders are back in Canada.

Somebody will likely take Kariya in the first round, but it won't
happen in the first five picks...the can't possibly miss big guys will
go first...unless or until a GM thinks he has two big mean but talented
and quick linemates for Kariya to play with.

Gerald
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From: Douglas Dobbins <douglasd@halcyon.com>
Subject: Seattle Oilers
Originator: douglasd@halcyon.com
Keywords: Seattle hockey
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:27:31 GMT
Comments: Seattle- The land of Liberals and Lattes!

Seattle Oilers- What a Great Idea!  Come on down Peter Puck!
The team would get fans from Spokane and Portland Too!
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: New FLYERS mailing list
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:56:08 GMT

Well, I've decided to go ahead with starting up a FLYERS mailing list.
The format will be basically what I outlined in yesterdays edition of
FLYERS notes. It will not be an automated list, just a one-way list
with me doing all of the mailing.

I'll be sending out anything I post to the net, plus I'll probably start
sending out stats from time to time. In addition I'll send out my answers
to the questions I sometimes get in my capacity as rsh FLYERS contact.

If the person maintaining the FAQ happens to read this, please add this
mailing list into the FAQ and let me know. If not, I'll send mail the
next time I see the FAQ.

All you have to do to get on the list is send me E-mail. People who sent
me mail yesterday do not have to send another message, you're all charter
members :-).

happy new year!

and GO FLYERS!!!

pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner (oooh, won't THAT
look good on the resume)
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Trade Rumour
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:50:49 GMT

In article <9212272031.AA25489@malibu.sfu.ca> chim@sfu.ca (Alan Chim) writes:
>I heard on TSN last night that the rumoured trade between Edmonton and
>Toronto involving Wendel Clark, and Rob Pearson for Esa Tikannen and
>Joe Murphy will be announced Monday, when the NHL lifts the "no-trade"
>embargo.  I think this is a great trade for the Leafs, although
>Tikannen has a hefty salary, he can still do a good checking job and
>he'll be invaluable in the playoffs.  Joe Murphy will, no doubt, help
>their offense.
>

I doubt that Joe Murphy could play well for Pat Burns...Burns cannot
tolerate individuality...some players can play in a totalitarian
environment...I don't think Joe Murphy is one of them. 

Gerald
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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Hawks News 12-24
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:46:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.180139.9128@news.acns.nwu.edu> scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Scholvin) writes:
>
>The Hawks got an early Christmas present from the Ottawa Senators
>last night, beating them 4-2 in Ottawa.  The Hawks didn't play a
>60 minute game, but got out of there with two points anyway. 
>Their performance was a continuation of their disturbing habit of
>playing at the level of their opponents. They seem to think that
>games against expansion teams are freebies, and the work ethic
>isn't there.

Don't feel bad John, this is how every team plays against the Sens.  Most teams
come in, expect the Sens to be completely devoid of talent, and put it in cruise
control, only to be surprised that we're not that bad (well, we are bad, but 
we're not *that* bad).

>Mike Peluso, showing
>offensive skills I had no idea he possessed, put on a skating
>clinic in the Hawks' zone and ended up getting an assist on the
>goal by Brady.

Yes, it's true.  The man shows severe offensive potential (I particularly liked
how he undressed Chelios behind the net-- twice!).  He still leads the Senators
in shot percentage, BTW.  Oh yeah, he is leading in penalty minutes, too (go
figure).

That was a beauty hit on Freer, too.

Anyway, it was a typical Senators home game.  Lots of hard work, score kept
very close, good hitting.  Another typical loss.

Anyway, great summary John!


Later,
Scott
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