HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher Francis Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: So long & thanks for all the fish.
Date: 13 Nov 1992 04:46:55 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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A huge moor cat wanders over to Stumpy, and says:

//This didn't make it to your Mbox, so here it is now//


So sorry to hear that you are leaving us, but happy to hear that you have
your degree (almost).

Anyway, you want a Snail Address? Here's mine:

Chris Anderson
22 Leatherwood Crescent
Mulgrave
Victoria 3170

//And here's a hug, too//

HUG!

-- 
ThunderKat (a.k.a. Chris Anderson)    s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

"Sam pressed the button. A few lights flashed on the CPU. And another human
life ended. Somehow, it's always sad, no matter what."
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From: c162-cc@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Subject: Re: Rock and U2
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:07:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.171545.13222@bnr.ca> bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner) writes:
>>
>>"Oh, sure, they went against their >early< ideal.  So?  People change.  I think
>>that using the phrase 'sold out' to refer to a decision to speak out with your
>>politics after saying you weren't going to is quite funny.  
>
>I appreciate the irony.  That was one of the things that prompted me
>to reply to the original poster, who viewed "going commercial" as
>the sell-out.  

"Going commercial?? I never said that. I said U2 are now superstars, but
they're disillusioned with their own stardom!"
>
>>And I still don't see why they don't have the option of changing their minds,
>>maybe more than once, despite the fact that they're changing a >stated< opinion
>>which was no doubt printed up in the press."
>>
>
>They certainly do have the option.  My first response was to a post 
>complaining about the latest change; I didn't complain about
>the first change (although I am aware that references to 
>selling out have negative connotations).
>
"I wasn't COMPLAINING. I was just SAYING that now, U2 has gained a wider
appeal, and Bono doesn't seem to like it much. Without their realizing it, 
they've become rock heroes. Part of the whole ZOO TV tour's purpose it their
constant self-parody and their own deconstruction of themselves. They haven't
sold out on their ideals, it's just that their music has been able to attract
listeners just for the tunes rather than their philosophy."

>-- 
>at Bell-Northern Research
>voice:        (613) 765-2739
>Canada Post:  P.O. Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7
>I do not claim that BNR holds these views.  

C
+

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From: dph1jg@tuda.ncl.ac.uk (J.P.Gardner)
Subject: Re: illuminati
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:17:02 GMT

>In <1992Nov9.175203.4433@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wyang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William D Yang) writes:
>
>>Kitten writes:
>
>>> "did you all realize our new president, a rhodes scholar and former
>>> student of (the name escapes me but he was a georgetown u. prof and
>>> accused illuminati) is one of "them"....of course we are not cleared
>>> for that information }:)."

It was Yale.

>>I really wish someone would come up with some significant proof of
>>this.  I've heard, time and time again, that the Bavarian Illuminati
>>are ruling the United States between the Masons and a bunch of college
>>secret societies.  Thing is, I just don't see any reason to believe
>>this.  Why does everyone want to believe there's a conspiracy?  What's
>>with this... this... this... paranoia?
>

Space Cadet, a Harvard alumnus, says,

"Isn't it obvious? How else could a Yalie get elected president?"

:-> :-) :->;-> :-> :->;^> :-> :v>:-> :-> ;^> :-> :-) :->;-> :-> :->
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Moebius Scarves
Date: 7 Nov 1992 06:20:36 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: seurat.wag.caltech.edu

>>(Liralen describes her soccer game, in which her husband John pulled a
>>hamstring.)

>>Moebius scarf bandages?  Told you you'd need one!

>>*chuckle*  Bad Abner, no doughnut!

>Laughter!!!

>Hmmm... I have this distinct feeling that you've fixated on the Moebius
>Scarves. 

Whatever gave you that impression?
=8)
Actually, I'd never considered the idea of a moebius scarf before, and they
sound very neat!

(Description of how to knit such a scarf.)

Hmmm.  It's been years since I've done any knitting (and I never was very
good at it ...  my scarves were distinctively ugly!).  Maybe someday I'll
have time to get back in practice.

If you can knit a moebius scarf, chances are when I try it I'll end up with
a klein scarf ...  and wouldn't that be fashionable?  (Of course, if you put
it on, there's no way you'd be able to see anything ...)

>What are the advantages of such a peculiarity?
>You only ever have to wash *one* side!

I'm sure you're only telling us one side, though!

>Moebius scarves, Mobieus scarves, 
>Rolly Polly Mobieus scarves...

Eat them up, yum ...?
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From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
Subject: Re: Moebius Scarves
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:59:44 GMT

Klein bottle for sale.  Inquire within.
-- 
dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu		        	   David "Mishael" Green
		    Have you scritched your local Furry today? 
************************Who ordered the muon? -- I. I. Rabi*********************
  I have not been appointed Judge, Jury, or Executioner by God.  Just witness.
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Um, guys? (was:Re: More elections, a victory...)
Keywords: discrimination, hatred, intolerance
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 00:27:28 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:

-> Big Al take the floor, trying to avoid flying glassware.
-> 
-> "I hate to wizz on y'alls little parade here," he speaketh, "But measure
-> 9 will be back.  And in more states."

<sigh>

To true.  

I heard Measure 9 supporter on NPR the day following the election. 
He sounded almost gleefull about how they only lost by a small margin
in "a liberal state" (you could hear the sneer in his voice as he said
it) and they knew they could get a similar measure passed almost
anywhere else.

-> So while y'all celebrate victory, remember that the barbarians 
-> still at the gates."

In the Enlightening us to their way of thinking, we will be dragged
back into the darkness.


   \|/  Eoin   eoin@xocolatl.com   *
    *  ------  GEnie: J.SNYDER18  \|/



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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Date: 10 Nov 1992 03:58:16 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
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In article <9211100017.AA18903@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM>, dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.COM (Gillett, David) writes:
>     That makes it hard for me to single out Clinton, and ascribe to him some
>personal blame for the decay -- as I think I perceive StM to do.

I do not ascribe him any personal blame.  It's totally impersonal.  ANY
Democrat elected president while both houses of Congress are dominated by
Democrats would be equally bad.  Same as if all were Republican.
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:31:24 GMT

>With her chin in her hands, Liralen listens with a smile at William Yang's
>words on truths... and enjoys them rather a lot.
>
>Sometimes it's the pattern in a piece of the sky, or a poem read on a
>windy day.  Sometimes a snatch of song out on a busy street, or in the
>warmth of a darkened bedroom.  Sometimes a magazine, sometimes a child's
>rhyme, in the shape of an old tree, or the taste of a tear.  Sometimes it
>comes with the glint of a knife, the sharing of a scream, or the rough
>pained grip of a friend's hand.  Sometimes in watching the slow unfolding
>of a game, or the exchange of dreams.  Sometime through the opening of a
>friend's letter, with a mug of tea.  Perhaps different answers than that
>of true/false, but answers nonetheless...
>
>I'll agree.
>
>Thank you.

     "Yup. This pretty well explains my way of looking also..." Jim.

    Or the wind blowing through trees, a gentle sound, no fury...

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd. 
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From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 05:03:43 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <9211070213.AA02660@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM> dgil@IPSAINT.IPSA.REUTER.COM (Gillett, David) writes:
>StM:
>  After all, Clinton has just managed to convince the American electorate that
>  separation of powers as envisioned by the framers of the Constitution is
>  *BAD* [he did it by calling it gridlock];  I don't know whether a similar
>  separation on other grounds is good or bad, given that the original
>  separation has been subverted.
>
Gillett Razor:
>  I thought Bush was the candidate running against Congress....
>
>  More seriously:  I have considerable doubt that 'separation of powers as
>  envisioned by the framers' has existed during my lifetime.  If it (and I'm
>  not certain which candidate *first* called it "gridlock") is the excuse for
>  Bush's failings, then I think it follows that George made promises that went
>  beyond what any president has the authority to deliver -- and I belive he
>  should have known that he was doing so.
>
"Y'all are forgetting the Fundamental Theorem of Politics: 'Truth has no
place in a polical arena.'  Of course George lied in his campaign promises,
so did Clinton.  So did Parrot, Marrou, heck, even Lyndon Larouche.  Probably
Bill the Cat did, too.  And Zippy the pinhead."

"The Constitutional framers WANTED gridlock.  They called it 'checks and 
balances' and it's what keeps the government from screwing things up too much."

Fundamental theorem of Big Al.
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:32:18 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
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In article <of0PuG_00awO0Qjoxg@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
=	"Science and religion need not even butt heads.  A very scientific
=proof of the existance of God was given by Saint Thomas Aquinas I
=believe.  It was based on the principle of cause and effect.  For every
=effect there is a cause.  Now if you trace all of these causes back to
=the begining of time you reach a root caust the Motis Prime.  The thing
=which caused all following things to happen, This is God."

StM says, "Interesting proof.  If that proof is valid, then Aquinas could also
answer the question, `What is the largest natural number?'"
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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: Gasoline taxes
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:12:01 GMT

S H L G Bisson writes:

>"There's also what seems to be a fairly uniquely British concept that
>hasn't been mentioned here yet: the Park And Ride. 

Actually, we have a *lot* of them around Seattle.  Most of our towns
(Redmond, Issaquah, Kent, Bothell, Kirkland, Renton, Juanita... etc.) have
at least one in the center of the town, all the major shopping malls have
one, and then there are usually several sprinkled all around the edges of
Bellevue and Seattle proper.  They are really popular around here.  A lot
of 'em also include a park area for kids while they're waiting with
parents and stuff, so it isn't just a slab of concrete; and businesses
find that it's pretty profitable to have shops near 'em.

If I want to get downtown or to the U-District during the day, I like to
drive to the Redmond Park and Ride and catch the buses in.  It makes for a
convenient stop for most of the buslines, and, since it's usually in
highly active areas, the cars are pretty safe being parked there.  Also,
since there's so much traffic through 'em, they've usually got covered
waiting areas.

-- 
Liralen Li           | "Looking down on empty streets, all she can see
aka Phyllis Rostykus |  are the dreams made solid, the dreams made real"
li@inigo.Data-IO.com |                       - Peter Gabriel, _So_
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: No subject 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:18:30 GMT



>Hurray!!!!
>"Hello!! Hurray!!
>sorry to be so noisy, but ohmi!"
>An indistinct figure puts her head around the door then walks in 
>rotating as she  tries to gaze at all of the place at once." Hi Mike! 
>Hi Ignatz! Hi anyone else that remembers me. I'm Mary, I was here 
>nearly -ohmi- 2 years ago, when I was doing an MSc in IKBS/AI at Uni 
>of Essex. Now I live in Bath (I entirely agree, the A4 to Bristol is 
>a nightmare, I live next to it) where the parking charges in the city 
>are more expensive than anywhere in Europe! I'm a writer turngin into 
>an editor and I'm so glad to be back. I've been working on a decent 
>way of reading/posting and I have spent *sooo* long getting it to 
>work."

"hi mary," says kitten.  "i don't know you (yet) but welcome back.
don't forget to send a note to nick chopper
(ge.ljb@forsythe.stanford.edu) to let him know you are no longer ABEND"

kitten offers mary a welcome back hug.
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: illuminati (long)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:49:23 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov10.181212.6469@linus.mitre.org>, ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>    "Well that's interesting." says Bill. "But can we trust him?"

StM, getting into the spirit of things, asks "Do we have any choice in the
matter?"
From: feath@agora.rain.com (Feather)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: can anyone hear me?
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:15:15 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

Feather has been talking and expressing opinions in the Place, and no one
has been replying.  Feather is puzzled.  Have her words been coming 
through?

"Can anyone hear me?"

 
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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: A Ramble about Halloween Weekend
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:53:32 GMT

In article <1dbscrINN2m1@gap.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
>(Liralen describes her soccer game, in which her husband John pulled a
>hamstring.)
>
>Moebius scarf bandages?  Told you you'd need one!
>
>*chuckle*  Bad Abner, no doughnut!

Laughter!!!

Hmmm... I have this distinct feeling that you've fixated on the Moebius
Scarves.  They are fun.  :)  You do a reverse loop on size 8, 42-inch long
circular needles, and then do a half-turn and knit up the *back sides* of
the loops.  When one comes around again, those half loops are turned the
wrong way, so you pick one up, turn it around, and then knit it.  When
those are all done, you're knitting all along the one edge of a moebius
strip with a double loop of circular knitting needle holding all the
stitches.   A purl on one side shows up as a knit on the other, so stitches
that are based on moss stitch or garter stitch are best for the scarves.
One simply knits it as wide as one wants, and then binds off the one edge,
and gets a moebius strip for a scarf.

What are the advantages of such a peculiarity?

It's a scarf that will never dangle one end to trip a body.  It doesn't
snake off one's neck.  It folds perfectly flat under a coat when worn.
Given a twist, it provides a hood as well as doubling the protection for
the throat.   It's fun watching a friend play with it and be flabbergasted
at watching it go going around and around and around and...  It doesn't
tangle, and you never have to look to see if half of it is hanging to each
side.  And, best of all, you only ever have to wash *one* side!

Moebius scarves, Mobieus scarves, 
Rolly Polly Mobieus scarves...

-- 
Liralen Li           | "Looking down on empty streets, all she can see
aka Phyllis Rostykus |  are the dreams made solid, the dreams made real"
li@inigo.Data-IO.com |                       - Peter Gabriel, _So_
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From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: Rock and U2
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:27:04 GMT

In article <1djcn4INNgpc@agate.berkeley.edu> c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien) writes:
>I think it holds with it the disillusionment of U2, an
>almost Faustian record of their superstardom, where they have become so
>big, they've feel that they've sold themselves out on the way. Now, one
>need no longer believe in U2's ideals to listen to U2. Such is the state
>of superstardom....
>

In the early days of the band, U2 members complained about
other bands being too concerned with politics in their
songwriting.

They wanted to make music, not Statements.
"The music's our message".

Sure, they sold themselves out on the way, but from the tone
of your post it sounds as though they're back.

-- 
at Bell-Northern Research
voice:        (613) 765-2739
Canada Post:  P.O. Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7
I do not claim that BNR holds these views.  
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From: estin@zug.csmil.umich.edu (Paul Estin)
Subject: Re: Gasoline taxes
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:58:11 EST
Organization: Cognitive Science and Machine Intelligence Lab, U. of Michigan
Keywords: n


In article <RANDOLPH.92Nov3233253@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM>
randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz) writes:

>Randolph looks resigned.  "Oh, well--maybe if I explain it often
>enough, it'll get to be common knowledge.  Snark--I'm sorry, I was
>baiting you.  Because, you see, I've studied the history.

>"The newer cities and suburbs, LA being the largest, were designed
>specifically for car transit.  Public transit was actively discouraged
>for the positive reason of economy and the negative reason of keeping
>the disadvantaged out of the wealthier, whiter neighborhoods.

"Y'know, I actually knew that about LA .  (Now, trying to claim that
Detroit is intentional, on the other hand... :-)  An LA friend of mine
explained it to me as attempting to make an entire city out of
'pleasant' suburbs in order to avoid congestion... an experiment which
has clearly failed in recent years, witness the freeway traffic jams."

>"Cities and transit systems grow up together.  A higher density than
>most of LA is required for an NYC/Paris/London-style transit system,
>and very dense office districts.  Two-story row houses is probably
>enough; a mix of two and four stories is for sure.

>"However, very little effort has been expended on designing transit
>systems for places like LA.  My educated amateur's opinion is that
>it's possible; this might be a good time to give it a try.  The air is
>getting dirtier, more than half the place is paved (literally: more
>than half the built-up land in LA is pavement--not park, not
>buildings--pavement), and people hate the traffic.  And gasoline is
>getting more expensive.  For sure, most of our long-haul freight could
>be carried by train, and most of our short-haul trucking could be
>electric powered.

"For a NYC/P/L-style transit system, *most* American metro areas are
probably too sparsely populated and spread out, even with heavy
subsidies.  I agree, though that doesn't mean *nothing* should be
done.  I was merely proposing realistic limits.

"Re: 'more than half the land'.. I heard a *slightly* lower figure
(more like 35% of the land in and around LA is in some way devoted to
cars), but the point is well taken."

>"So there's an accounting of the matter.  Snark--please forgive me for
>baiting you."

"No sweat, I'm mostly in agreement."

-----
There are two ways to slide easily through life: to believe
everything or to doubt everything; both ways save us from thinking.
  -- Alfred Korzybski

Paul Andrew Estin
estin@csmil.umich.edu  estin@um.cc.umich.edu  esti@amber.uchicago.edu
214 Beakes St. (home)  330 Packard Rd. (work)  Ann Arbor, MI 48104
(313)-994-3869         (313)-747-3699
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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:24:03 GMT

With her chin in her hands, Liralen listens with a smile at William Yang's
words on truths... and enjoys them rather a lot.

>My question: why let others find the answers for you, when you can
>find them in yourself?

She smiles a huge smile and nods quietly.
 
>Me, I'm a philosopher (or so I like to think! ;).  Sometimes, science
>gives me the answer I want.  Sometimes, a little mathematic induction
>with a twist of lime, or a healthy read of Plato, The Bible, or even a
>good comic book gives me what I need.  Sometimes, it's a movie that
>makes it all clear... other times, it's a yellow and black book and a
>cup of coffee with the be-all, end-all explanation of what the frack
>is going in in Faulkner's _The Sound and the Fury_.

Sometimes it's the pattern in a piece of the sky, or a poem read on a
windy day.  Sometimes a snatch of song out on a busy street, or in the
warmth of a darkened bedroom.  Sometimes a magazine, sometimes a child's
rhyme, in the shape of an old tree, or the taste of a tear.  Sometimes it
comes with the glint of a knife, the sharing of a scream, or the rough
pained grip of a friend's hand.  Sometimes in watching the slow unfolding
of a game, or the exchange of dreams.  Sometime through the opening of a
friend's letter, with a mug of tea.  Perhaps different answers than that
of true/false, but answers nonetheless...

[Didn't know anyone else wanted to know the be-all and end-all of what the
frack is going on in Faulkner's _The Sound and the Fury_... that book still
haunts me.  Grin... I still read Eliot and e.e. cummings for some of those
bursts as well.]
 
>There's not one answer for each question.. there's a billion billion,
>or more.  Not all are "right" in the objective sense, of course...
>but there's something to be said for being wrong every once in a
>while.

Yup.  

And a billion billion questions still to be asked and explored...

>Give your faith where you will.  That's the only way worth living.

I'll agree.

Thank you.
-- 
Liralen Li           | "Looking down on empty streets, all she can see
aka Phyllis Rostykus |  are the dreams made solid, the dreams made real"
li@inigo.Data-IO.com |                       - Peter Gabriel, _So_
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: rkoch@lonestar.utsa.edu (Ruth M. Koch)
Subject: testing...(sorry)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: lonestar
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:12:13 GMT

I'm just testing out my sig.file, sorry.


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