HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: SIDE NOTE ON "DOOMSDAY"
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:18:06 GMT

In article <722351731.1@fquest.FidoNet> Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man) writes:
>...so I guess we can assume Death's appearance at the end of "The End" means
>that the 30th Century Earth and those 2 billion-plus that were left behind
>are, in fact, toast.

Naah. It only means that at least one of them died.
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"When angry, count four. When very angry, swear."
                --Mark Twain
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Classic "Death of Superman" (was Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!)
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:40:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar

Abhijit Khale, khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>Its interesting to compare this storyline to Jerry Siegel's 30 year old death
>of Superman story. Siegel's (imaginary, but then arent they all) story is
>incredibly dark and contains betrayal and tragedy. Its also very moving : it 
>can move one to tears decades after it was written and is so infnitely
>superior to the Doomsday storyline that its painful.

Yes!  Years from now, that early 1960's story will keep its place
in any "Best of Superman" anthology long after this Doomsday story line
is forgotten.   I trust that Siegel's honest, tear raising storytelling in those
two-dozen pages will endure against the recent six issues of "He's punching 
me in the face harder than anyone has ever punched me in the face!  I've got to 
punch him in the face harder than I've ever punched anyone in the face before!"  
(to be followed, I'm sure, by eight issues of everyone in the DC universe
saying "Boy, he sure got punched in the face real good!").

No dialog in the 1990's that can compare with Luthor's delivery of his classic 
thought balloon: "The puny ants!"

--James Langdell     jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems   Mountain View, Calif.




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From: speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:58:02 MST
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <1992Nov17.143000.17536@husc3.harvard.edu> silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
>I'm trying to compile a list of comics announced but never published by major
>comics companies. I use these terms flexibly, but if I include too many
>small indpendents, the list will certainly become unmanagable. So far, I've
>thought of:

The Dark Horse reissues of STARSTRUCK.  There was supposed to have been
a six month break between 1-4 and 5-8.  It's been, what, 2 years now since
#4 came out?

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: The LNH -- think a moment before you scowl
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:50:18 GMT

aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:

>And now my main point: is rec.arts.comics.MISC supposed to be a private
>	little club where only certain comics belong?  Seperate newsgroups

>And THAT, dear net.readers, is EXACTLY what you opposed to the LNH are

The condescension is really annoying, IMHO.  Just make your point without
talking down to the reader.

>The LNH is, in it's own right, a comic book.  It has no pictures (usually),
>but a comic-style storyline using comic-style characters.  It is a comic book.
>Rec.arts.comics.misc is devoted to the discussion of any and all comics --
>WITHOUT exception.  By definition, the LNH, as a comic books, belongs on
>racm just as much as any other title...  INCLUDING the Marvel Mutant titles.

Umm, you can argue what is/isn't a comic as much as you like.  It all
comes down to opinion.  There have been historical comics, romantic
comics, and comic book adaptations of classic novels, so you can't
define a comic book simply by saying that it's a story about
super-powered individuals.

If your definition is that a comic book is a story, no pictures required,
of beings with greater than human abilities, then various Greek myths
and legends are included.

My opinion is that comic books are professionally-created, published
works consisting of words and pictures used to tell a story.  This
definition isn't quite broad enough but it's close to right and
much shorter than any other definition I could offer.

I think that most people complaining about the LNH aren't really
interested in taking part in an amatuer collaborative effort aimed
at recreating the feel of super-hero comic books (in a light-
hearted way) which seems to be the goal of the LNH stuff.

Is there a reason why the LNH stuff isn't just done as a mailing
list, like the "Who'd Win" stuff was last year?  Have one central
creator (an 'editor', if you will) who collects the best of the
stuff, removes typos and spelling errors, and periodically posts
it to the group with LNH: prominently displayed in the 'subject'
field?  It seems like that would offer the best of both worlds.
LNH creators could still have their fun, and the LNH traffic to
this group would be reduced.

Tom
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Subject: Re: Dark Horse: Terminator and Godzilla
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:20:38 EST
Organization: Penn State University

 Ever hear oF SPOILER WARNINGS??????? Thanks for giving
 away the end of ENDGAME!!!!!!!

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:17:56 -0500 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Valor #3

>In article <Ef3Ys=K00iV14138MW@andrew.cmu.edu> Anatole Wilson
<aw3a+@andrew.cmu
>.edu> writes:
>>And I have to agree--Valor punching Lobo because he insulted Valor's
>>ship? Doesn't Valor remember that Lobo is supposed to be one of the most
>>dangerous KILLERS in the galaxy? Whatever happened to heroes with great
>>power remembering the incredible responsiblities that go along with it?
>>Valor does seem to be regressing in maturity.
> 
>Ken Arromdee writes:
>Disclaimer: I don't have this issue.
> 
>But it seems that if Lobo is around as powerful as Superman, and Valor
is a lot
>more powerful than Superman, that it would be perfectly safe for Valor to
>punch Lobo, killer or not.  (Of course, Valor has a bad case of power-level-
>fluctuation-depending-on-writer, which probably negates this.)

My point wasn't that I was worried about Valor's safety. It's the
stupidity of engaging in a moronic, pointless brawl with a known killer,
whether you think you're going to come out of it okay or not. 

Also, with this much power between them, whatever planet they're on is
going to suffer some damage. Lobo naturally wouldn't care, but Valor
should be thinking about other life forms now and then. 

 
Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."
From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Green Lantern QUestion(MINOR SPOILER)
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:57:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: alice.cs.purdue.edu

In article <1992Nov19.020923.7519@nmsu.edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>A slight chance of spoilers so

>DC seems to becoming recon happy with Green Lantern and ignoring EVERYTHING
>that has gone before.  I thought that Legion of Super-Heroes #50 in 1988
>established the Time Trapper had meny names including ENTROPY.  Now who or
>what is this new Entropy we are running into and why is the Time Trapper's
>successor letting it run loose?
I believe the Trapper said something along the lines of "I am
entropy incarnate".  (Since most comic lettering is done in all
caps, it's sometimes difficult to tell what they really mean.)
Secondly, a similar name does not necessarily imply that one is the
successor of the other.

Case in point:  The Kryptonian artifact that has caused a lot of
trouble for Superman since its introduction (though not as much
recently) is the Eradicator.  One of the last true villains faced by
Barry (Flash) Allen was a senator who, in his "secret identity"
turned some people into slime of some sort (Flash 310-316, if memory
serves) -- his name?  Eradicator.  There is absolutely no lnk
whatsoever between the two...

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
berninge@cs.purdue.edu          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
B0.2 f(~) w- c- g k? s- e r- p   \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Date of first Superman comic
Organization: Interleaf
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:33:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.200554.10276@kodak.kodak.com> houchin@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Scott Houchin) writes:
>Does anyone out there know the date of the first Superman comic? Month
>and year would suffice.

Well, the date on the cover is June 1938. It probably came out a few months
earlier, as the date was supposed to indicate how long to leave it out 
on the racks. 

"Any idea what he plans to do when he gets the ship running?"
"He says he's either gonna rob a bank, kill Superman, or take over the world.
We get to vote on it later.
"Oh, for joy...!"  --Cluemaster and Clock King
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Steranko
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:31:35 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Speaking of Wrightson, a member of the High Order of Comic Book Gods, what is
the supreme diety, Steranko, up to these days?  I remember many rumors
concerning covers, book illustrations, etc., but after following his history
of late, and mostly non-existant projects, I tended to doubt them.

Any information?

-- 

+-| Paul Lewis |--| Jonestown: WLVR 91.3fm  Monday 11pm-1am |-+-------------+
|  'I'd love to turn you on.'                  -The Beatles   |             |
|  'You should be with us, feeling like we do  -Perry Farrell |     1       |
|   like you love to, but never will again.'                  |    2 3      |
|  'The struggle between God and man breaks    -Kazantzakis   |             |
|   out in everyone.'                                         | Renaissance |
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: Elektra and Frank Miller ..
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:00:02 GMT

sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:

>I was wondering:  Does the Elektra character belong to Frank Miller.  I 
>would not have thought so since she was created in the pages of Daredevil, 
>but I think most of Miller's work on the character was under Epic, Marvel's 
>creator-owned line of books.  What's the scoop?

I think most of the Electra stories were under plain old
Marvel, not Epic. `Electra Lives Again' was under the
Epic imprint I think. As for the `owner' of Electra, that
would be Marvel.

Jed
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: Question re "Batman:Holy Terror"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:52:48 GMT

In article <1ep6t4INNa1m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:
>
>I missed picking up this graphic novel from a while back (the
>one with Batman opposing some sort of religious tyranny) even
>though it was written by Alan Brennert who years ago produced
>some of my all-time favorite Batman stories (mostly in BRAVE
>& BOLD).  How was the book?  Should I make a special effort
>to get hold of it?
>
>The Old Comic Curmudgeon
>
>-- 
>Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
>& Fantasy SIG (aa396)

Best of the Elseworlds so far, IMHO. Well worth picking up, especially
if you like Breyfogle's art.  Brennert doesn't write comics often,
but when he does it's really a treat.

cheers,
	ast 

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cgarnett@unix.amherst.edu (Craig Garnett)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULTS:  The Legion of...well, you know.
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:46:17 GMT

We're all glad you're happy now. At least until you find another
axe to grind.

By the way, everyone remember that Jim's probably not a good person to
run any group change votes, since he's admitted to losing ballots. :0

-C

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:6917 rec.arts.comics.xbooks:2617
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Wolverine #65: the best yet!
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:32:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Nov17.153220.26223
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov17.141854.28718@cc.umontreal.ca> royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:

>Silverfox not dead? Hey, you got me there...

>Still, I think that for SHIELD to 1) Hide her
>                                  2) Don't tell Wolvie
> is fairly stupid and nonsense; also, it would make Wolverine #65 almost
>worthless and contribute to Marvel's Ever Revolving Door of Death.

>Then again, Larry Hama or not, it IS Marvel.


That was my point exactly.
(Let's move follow-ups to r.a.c.xbooks)

			James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Books of Magic, book IV -- revised
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:22:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.210803.18527@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099) writes:
>I really think that the "misegenation" Mr. E refers to is a reference to 
>Chaiken's TWILIGHT series.  Remember it envolves Animal/humans-robots-human
>couplings.

	I don't think so.  My impression of Twilight was that it was
noncontinuity.  Remember the time scale: given that the events of
Twilight included a _long_ reign on the part of whatshername, the
goddess, and that it would take some time for the original galactic
civilization of Twilight to develop out of anything we know about the
DC future-- and there's no place that it fits.  It certainly can't
take place within a millennium of LSH, given the total lack of
familiar planets or species.  Is there any reason to suppose
differently?  (Sure, Tommy Tomorrow etc. were once Earth-1 space
heroes, but that was all pre-Crisis, and the future history given in
Crisis and in _The History of the DC Universe_ has been invalidated a
good deal.)

Mike

-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mss2@amber.uchicago.edu		    Virginia (1784)
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Need Help with Sandy Plunkett
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:11:43 GMT

<CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

>  I would appreciate input from anyone out there who could
>identify stories Plunkett has written or drawn from 1982 to
>present.

>Chris

	I don't know if this is what you're looking for exactly, but the
drawing of Will o' Wisp in the OHOTMU was done by Sandy Plunkett.  Maybe he
was the one that did the Will o' Wisp stories in Spidey...?
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From: IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: ???Night Crys???
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:34:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92323.123435IBA100
Organization: Penn State University

I spelled that wrong, oh well. when is Batman: Night Cries comming out?
Or is it out already? how much is it (Hardcover version)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Guy Gardner #3
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:41:02 EST

In article <By1BFB.8IM@apollo.hp.com>
jlevine@apollo.hp.com (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Nov20.182108.6728@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>|> In article <By0rxI.7vF@apollo.hp.com> jlevine@apollo.hp.com (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:
>|> >I am not usually into fights without plots and characterization.
>|> >
>|> >But the last page made it worth buying...
>|> >
>|> >[stuff deleted]
>|> >
>|> >In space no one can hear you fight...
>|>
>|> 	No, I just don't buy this argument.  In the DC universe, conversation
>|> has always taken place in space--  in spite of the physical impossibility of
>|> it.  Besides, GG's ring should be able to create some sort of medium through
>|> which sound could propogate.  (Additionally, there's always the possibility
>|> of simply having "thought balloons" or narrator's comment's in the margins.)
>|> 	I really think that this was just a case of the writers being lazy
>|> and finding an excuse to justify it.  Yes, I believe that it is possible to
>|> tell a story without using words, but there was no real story here--  only an
>|> extended fight scene.
>
>	I think it was a joke...
 
   It WAS a joke!!!  The title _In Space No One Can Hear You Fight_;
The credit: _The Easiest Money a Writer Ever Made_;
As well as (perhaps unintended joke of...) Guy Gardner (in current incarnation)
is (along with Lobo) the epitome of the one-dimensional character; a paper-thin
character whose only redeeming value is his single minded obsession with
violence and ego... What do you expect from him?
   (I enjoyed the issue for the joke, AND Staton's artwork)
 
************************************************************************
   "INSANITY IS A VIRTUALLY IMPREGNABLE GAMBIT...
BUT YOU HAVE TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK EARLY IN THE GAME..."
 
    JUNSOK YANG (YANJUNA@YALEVM.YCC.EDU)
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ror1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard O. Rouse III)
Subject: XO Manowar, Bart Sears, and Valiant
Reply-To: ror1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:19:01 GMT


I just read in Comic Shop News today that Bart Sears is to be taking over
the penciling of X-O Manowar from Valiant.  I haven't seen his work, but the
little picture the ad provided looked reaaly good.  What do people think of 
his work?  

Anyway, this leaves the Valiant creative teams looking a little something 
like this:


Magnus Robot Fighter
   Ostrander
   Brock
   Reese

Rai and the Future Force
   Ostrander
   Chen

X-O Manowar
   Layton
   Sears
   Ryder

Shadowman
   Bob Hall

Archer and Armstrong
   Barry Windsor-Smith

Eternal Warrior
   Barry Windson-Smith

Harbinger
   David Lapham

Bloodshot
   VanHook
   Perlin

Hard Corps
   Michelienie
   Leeke
   Layton

Solar Man of the Atom
   VanHook
   Grau
   Drake

Magnus Vs Predator
   Ostrander
   Weeks

Has anyone seen Magnus vs Predator?  My store doesn't seem to have gotten it 
in yet.  I would hate to think I missed this as WELL as Eternal Warrior #6.


Now, for Valiant to be semi perfect, Shooter has to come back and shoot 
Kevin VanHook, and start writing Solar again.  And they can get Roger 
Stern back and put him on Bloodshot.  And then life would be good.
-- 
===========================================================================
Richard O. Rouse III				  READ:     MacGames Digest
ror1@ellis.uchicago.edu				  BUY: ATOMIC SEWAGE COMICS
      "Next thing you know they'll take my thoughts away."  -MEGADETH
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (Col. G. L. Sicherman)
Subject: Re: Bone
Organization: Dalek Reproducing Equipment, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:03:46 GMT

In article <bkr24.721680631@csa07aws>, bkr24@cas.org (Keith Rose) writes:
> 
> The publishing schedule for Bone might be out-of-whack for a while since Jeff
> Smith just recently moved from Columbus, OH to Los Angeles.  Of course, I am
> not sure that this is the only reason for the delay, but I suspect it plays a
> big role.

Rumor has it that Bone is already starting to look like Binky.

-:-
	If the Army and the Navy
	  Ever look on Heaven's scenes,
	They will find the gates are guarded by
	  Valiant Mr. Toad.
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
From: steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superman should die!!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:50:53 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

     I have not spent alot of time reading how people have reacted to DC's
decision to kill off Superman.  So I might be repeating someone somewhere else. 
I work at Oakleaf Comics here in Cedar Falls, Iowa, and as expected, Friday and
Saturday was a zoo.  I would estimate that 80-90% of the people who came in to
our store that day had never been in before.
     DC has created the biggest plublicity stunt in the history of comic books
and I cannot see anyone ever topping this.  But think of the repercussions.  So
many people came to buy a comic book, something they have not done since they
were a kid.  And I would guess that about half of them will actually read it,
and hopefully enjoy the book.  If they do they may continue to come back and
buy more books.  This could improve the image of comics in gereral and erase
the notion that comics are just for kids.
     So all of you who think this is the dumbest thing ever to happen, because
we all know they will bring him back, this could change the industry in a
positive way.  So please don't whine about this just being a stunt.  It is the
best thing that could have happened to the industry.

Think about it.
Jason

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ksjohnso@mathlab.mtu.edu(KRIS A. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: Superman funeral on SNL 11/21/92
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:32:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.151107.26842@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David  
Pautler) writes:
> I didn't recognize all the costumes used in the Superman funeral
> segment.  Here are those I did recognize:
> 
> Jimmy Olsen   (Rob Schneider (sp?))
> Lois Lane     (Julia Sweeney)
> Perry White   (Phil Hartman)
> Batman
> Robin         (Chris Rock)
> Aquaman       (Dana Carvey)
> John Stewart  (Tim Meadows (?))
> Flash         (Adam Sandler)
> Spiderman
> Hulk          (Chris Farley)
> Reed Richards (? Davis (I can't believe I can't remember his name))
> Black Lightning (Sinbad)

Dana Carvey played Batman, not Aquaman.  Aquaman was played by David  
Spade.  Kevin Nealon was Hawkman.