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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:12:14 CST
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From:         Richard Chowning <chowning@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>
Subject:      RE:New list EVANGE-L

In Message Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:32:00 EDT,
  JDAVIS%BENTLEY.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU writes:
>Rather than wasting your time on xcult-l, where subscribers are open-minded,
>you can:
> * belittle other belief systems
> * insist on the absolute rightness of your own dogma
> * make fun of others
> * be intolerant of others' views

Worldview and religion are almost if not totally inseperable from religion,
if one has a relgion.  Therefore, this discussion is important to
cross-cultural communication to which this list is dedicated.  Sure, I
agree, it should not turn into a battle for conversion or change, just
understanding.

--- Chelagoi
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:07:29 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: *wandering mind

Cana,

I think a woman will be elected in time....as soon as she can become
man enough to get nasty and disgusting, lie consistently and lose
her conscience.....

some might one day and we will all applaud her for becoming a leader!

Until we have campaign reform and each candidate gets the same air time
on TV and Radio and the same funds, leadership will be defined as the
ability to bullshit, lie about your oponents, say your dog knows more than
them and then shake hands afterwards..... almost the same ability as those
in the professional wrestling world....

zahir
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cesar,
    don't quote me, but i think the reason that they are celebrating
is because with bush's lose in the elections, it makes saddam
look more powerful.  1. he withstood the bombardment by the mostly
'american' military machine, 2. although he has been removed from
kuwaiti territory, he is still in power in iraq causing problems
with the un delegations, and 3. bush has been defeated in the elections
while saddam is still holding his position in his country.  from
what i have understood, these things will boost his political
standings...
                                            joseph...
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From:         Klaus Kursawe <NDB035@NOV.HB.SE>
Subject:      RE : RE : Ethics

Zahir,

>In your reply to the questionaire regarding ethics, you give an example
>of rats who begin killing each other including babies till the population is
 man
>   ageable
>and you state that we don't want to reach that level as humans....
>
>Haven't we already?  We continue to allow arms to be made in our country
>and also supply the amunition for humans to kill other humans...  Those
>people in Africa and the middle East would kill far fewer of each other
>if we could let them fight with their spears and their swords....

I wouldn't go this far. If we would have gone to this level we all would
probably not be alive anymore... The problem with the arms is that you
need a very strong ethic to prevent it because you have a too indirect
influence.
All this people do is signing a contract, and nobody sees what consequences
this has. All they hear about the use of their weapons they know from TV,
and because the difference between the news and the action film afterwards
is so little that it's hard to differ between reality and show -
the only way to really understand what happens is going to a war-area.
Those people are probably hardly able to beat their children and I'm sure
they would never kill anybody with a knive.
There is a film about WW I (Im Westen nichts neues = Nothing new in the West)
that ilustrates what I mean. A soldier had no problems killing anybody
100 meters away with a gun, he is even proud of it. Later he kills someone
with a knive and has to stay one hour with his dieing opponent, and then
he sees what he did and has a very great skrupel- he even tries to save
the other ones life.
The possibilities do kill (even if you don't want it - you just want
to make easy money or to buy cheap coffee) are now so great that it
needs a very strong ethic to prevent us from doing that - and in the
last years our world became very fast very complex so that many ethical
systems couldn't follow anymore.
Or to qutoe from  "The Physicans":
"The scientists have run into a vacuum, and now they have to wait until
the society catches up" (Freely translated out of my memory)

/Klaus
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Veils, etc.

Zahir...
If the people who like topless bar are in minority then they should be banned
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From:         Gretchen Schirmer <IQZK100@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Right Wings

Many thanks for your informtaions,I feel better now.There are always people who
wants to have so called "fun"to destroy a peacefull demonstration.For me in the
States it is  difficult to figure out what and why is this happening back home
in Germany.I worked for a program "Sport gegen Rassismus"in Hamburg St. Pauli.
But it seems to be that the tension between forgeiners and germans is heavily i
ncreasing.I don't want to generalize but how can I be spezific,so far away.
Many thanks for your respond and hopefully I will hear from you again. Maike
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:12:42 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: woman as president

Regarding veils and covering the body entirely..... this is cultural and
not islamic.... there are a lot of progressive moslem women who do not
wear the veil and garb and it is an insult to them to consider them less
of a moslem for doing so...

zahir
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:51:50 -0400
From:         "DOUGL, APPARENTLY." <STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Erich Honecker...

I agree with Klaus, if I have understood him correctly. The trial of
Erich Honecker is not so much to rehabilitate him or punish him but to allow
the evil 'legalisms' he committed to be purged. Punishing him allows
the Germans to move beyond the space of hatred and fear he helped to create,
and his imprisonment, even if he is at deaths door, is a small price to
pay for the bitter history he was central to.

I don't agree that his prosecution is the same as the prosecution of
Nazi war criminals which seems to be tied up in the politics of keeping
the holocaust first and foremost in our minds as a preventative and as
a corrective to the likes of David Irving, who Canada has been been trying hard
to deport for several weeks now.

Douglass
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:26:27 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Guns and syringes

Emmy,

What do you mean we can't turn back?  We certainly can ban the making
of such weapons as automatics, handguns and so on and require that our
weapons industry disclose who it sells its weapons to.....  Its not as if
we ever stopped but cannot get back those guns and ammunition...  If you ever lo
   ok at the brochures
produced by weapons industries on everything from attack weapons to mortars
to just about anything.....  and its not just sold to governments but
to private parties..... Weapons from OUR industry are used in Ireland,
Middle East, Near East and Africa.... those we like we call Freedom
Fighters and those we don't become Guerillas and Fundamentalists...

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:23:51 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Guns and syringes

Alan,

The issue is whether we absolve all the weapon makers of any responsibility
for the use/misuse of the weapons they create.... I say NO!

Yes there are numerous things that can be used as weapons.... I am stating
that those who create instruments whose sole purpose is to take lives are
just as guilty, if not more, than those who use those weapons.....

If Iran had fought Iraq and vice versa strictly with those weapons they
invented and produced, the number of lives lost would have been in the
hundrerds not millions....  So too with Bosnia..... and dozens of wars
since.....and before....  Just like in the war between Iraq and Iran, we
have no compunction about supplying weapons and technology to both sides..
the color of the money is still GREEN to our great weapons industry....

But perhaps you and Emmy are right.... we should not blame the inventors
and sellors of weapons, just the users...  I am NOW all for the selling
of handguns, UZI's and ammunitions to every adult who wants it...perhaps
we can let all the Drug Stores sell it.....we can get the idiot who uses
those guns to kill...

zahir
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From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Veils, etc.

ALso, a push away means "no", and a scream means "no"... didn't anyone
hear about the woman who was raped by someone who broke into her
house... and the guy was never convicted of rape because she asked him
to put a condom on because she was afraid of contracting AIDS?

/Emmy
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Zahir:

Your argument seems to be premised on unsufficient convictions by
overworked District Attorneys, a concern that the guilty are getting
away with it because of their access to high priced lawyers. This
does not strike me as a function of the peer jury system at all but
is more a matter of differential access to resources by both
accuser and accused.

We have a similar problem here - Crown Attorneys drawn from the least
skilful ranks of the law school grads because face it, private practice
is more lucrative than prosecutorial work.

But is this a flaw in the system of peer juries. Are you suggesting
that profesisonalized juries would, by their existence, correct
this imbalance in access to resources. I simply cannot see the link
between the two.

Maybe you could clarify exactly what system you are proposing to
replace the current one?

Douglass
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I don't understand  what you meant Beatriz

Dilshad Ahmed
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douglass,
     as soon as i am able to find out exactly where the news report came
from, i will let you know...
                                       joseph...
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:52:05 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Veils, etc.

Gretchen,

In most "shame" based societies including Islamic societies, while
homelessness and prostitution exist, studies have shown that it is
extremely rare that the practitioners (prostitutes or homeless) come from
middle class or rich backgrounds and families (they are almost entirely
from poverty and do not have minimum wage jobs as alternatives).

Most people do not view themselves as "individuals" in the true sense as
here and the actions of anyone of them can bring shame on the family..thus
there is tremendous pressure to bring someone back into their own family
after a divorce, break up and so on....

I recently had an American spouse of an Arab student in my office extremely
distressed and in disbelief that he would cancel a trip that both had
looked forward to because he felt he had to return and attend a family function
back home.... He did not want to embarass his father and have him explain
to the extended family and friends as to where his son was....

In many other countries, one has to consistently and constantly give an
account as to where a family member is and how he/she is doing...  Hardly
any one of my American friends asks me about my parents or siblings and
it does not come up in conversations routinely....

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 10:57:06 -0700
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Subject:      Re: woman as president

Please list the HADITH for me. I may foregot it or have not hear of it.

Thanks,

Alan
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:43:22 -0700
From:         4FMH011@MC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Dogma's Iron Cage

KRISTA,

I DIDN'T THINK OF "THE NOTHING" AS TO BE HARSH. BUT I'M SAYING THAT I CAN'T FIND
   A REASON TO NOT THINK ABOUT GOD. SCIENCE DOES NOT NEGATE THAT THERE IS NO GOD
   .
ACTUALLY, I SEE THAT SCIENCE PROVE TO ME THAT THERE IS A GOD. ALSO I GUESS IF
YOU TRY TO FOLLOW ONE RELIGION FOR A WHILE YOU WILL LEARN A LOT. RIGHT NOW AS
THINK IT IS THE TIME TO LOOK AT THE UNIVERS AND OUR LIVES ON EARTH TRY TO LOOK
FOR THE SOMETHING THAT CAN SUPPORT WHAT EACH ONE OF US THINK.

ALAN
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:01:09 -0500
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Hello Douglas...
Yes working in sex industry is like lowering ones respect since it is
against the ethics of I believe every society..and it devalues a person
lower then that of animal....

what I mean by sex industry is "prostitition"that is selling ones whole
body for merely few dollars...I should not say selling but infact leasing
or renting..regardless of others character...I guess this might be lowest
possible level human could reach..probably there might be even lower level
but I don't Know.....

Ahmed
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uwe,
   don't worry, so far i have not heard of anyone jumping to the
conclusions that all germans are becoming nazis again.  in fact,
i am mexican-'american' and not only did i have a great roomate
who was from germany, but i am also dating a german girl.  as long
as you remain openminded and non-racist, i'm sure things will
eventually change for the better.  of course, we must accept that
there will be racism.  we do not have to agree with it, and if it
becomes violent, we don't have to tolerate, but it will always
be there.  educate those who are not racist, and try to make those
who are racist understand that we are basically the same.  the
only difference being that one person's skin is of a different
color, and no two people are exactly alike.  maybe one day, the
human race will mature. that is something i anxiously await.
until then, peace...
                                         joseph...
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:45:43 -0500
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Veils, etc.

It s heard to believe that taking out the factor of clothes at all...
clothes do play a major role in this event...
ahmed
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:18:32 CET
From:         Klaus Kursawe <NDB035@NOV.HB.SE>
Subject:      RE: Erich Honecker...

Dan,
You wrote about Erich Honecker :
>... as for me, although I feel holding people accountable to unjust
>action (ie.the "shoot to kill" order),    I wonder about the value in
>punishing an old man who is (so it seems) near death ... any thoughts?

The thing with Erich Honecker is a bit tricky. Of course you don't change
him when you punish him, and it's even not sure if he can be punished :
At his time, he was the law, and so everything he did was more or less legal.
But it is moralic important to punish him. Some people will beat me for this
comparation, but what would you say if we'd find an old NAZI-leader somewhere
and say he's too old to punish him now ?
The "small people" are punished for their crimes, and we can't let the big
boss go - although it is unsecure if he'll survive long enough and it doesn't
matter if he lies in hospital as a prisoner or as a free man - but it's
an important symbol especially for the eastern-german citizens.

That's my opinion, but don't take it to heavy because I'm 'just' a west-german
and that's a problem for east-germany - I think I've no right to decide
anything about that subject, not much more like people from other countries.

/Klaus
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:00:16 -0200
From:         Alcino Dall Igna Junior <adij@DI.UFPE.BR>
Subject:      Re: Rape

On Wed, 11 Nov 1992, Argyria Kehagias wrote:

> ...
> In the united states about 75% of women have been raped or
> sexually molested in thier life time. I think about 45% of all men.

I have no idea of the actual rape number, but I think that this 75% includes
things like to make a sexual biased joke, which would better classified as bad
education. Or as I heard sometime ago from a friend from England, you are
sexually molesting if you are looking too much to a girl.

According to some classification that I heard about, if everyone follows all
the rules to avoid to be sexually molesting someone, the humanity will
disappear. :-)

In the other hand, this put a lot of noisy in the real rape problem that is
very bad everywhere, with veils or without them.

Alcino
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:09:46 -0400
From:         "DOUGL, APPARENTLY." <STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Dogma's Iron Cage

-----She/He/They Said ----

->And the list could go on.... the reason we have so many crooks and
->frauds , is due in part by the gullible people who don't question or
->ask for evidence...they just ssay "Ok, soiunds good to me"
->
->/Emmy


        To equate faith or beleif with gullibility is the height
        of arrogance, Emmy. It betrays a sad lack of understanding
        on your part, an inability to grasp the intellectual and
        emotional merit of beleifs which differ from yours. Intolerance
        should never be mistaken for critical understanding.

Peace, from a dyed in the wool atheist...


Dougl           *
The          .
Southern      *   *
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From:         Daniel Henry <DHENRY@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject:      Pele'

From Alcino:
> it's this a matter of freedom? BTW, US never produces a Pele', nor a Zico,
> nor...
>
> Alcino

 ... thanks, Alcino, for reminding us that there are tremendous sports
 talents and 'superstars' in other countries as well... (Pele' was a BIG
 idol of mine growing up in CAL, *trying* to play soccer)

Sadly having to watch these hugely interesting discussions (religion) go
by because of work demands...         O =    Q?
Dan Henry               __o           /> =  < >
DHENRY@NNOMED         _ \<,_         o< =  / 
LSU Medical Center   (_)/ (_)
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From:         "KRISTA L. BENNETT" <KLBHO@CANAL.CRC.UNO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Military intervention etc

Zahir:
    Your comments about how money dictates everything in our government
are unfortunately very true. How are we ever going to get anything done
in this country if we have to spend all of our time fighting the
bureaucracy????? The institutions that were laid down to help us as
a nation are now only weighting us down. I hate to be so negative, but
it's so hard to get anything accomplished!!!!!
---------Krista Bennett
    <KLBHO@canal.crc.uno.edu>
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From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Canned Robots

No, it's also the parents of the kid who uses the gun, becuase
obviously, they have no part in their child's life if their kid is on
the street gangbanging....

What about syringes...used for medical use...that are now used for
drugs...would you condemn the syringe maker for creating something
useful which was then adapted for the drug trade because of someone's
evil doings....?

/Emmy
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