HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:27:01 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: FBL details

I think the rules sent out by Dave look wonderful.  I have only a couple
comments:

>****The following is a PROPOSAL****
>
>*********
>** The  league  will run for 25 weeks  starting  Thursday  the 19th of
>** November  and  ending  Thursday  the 13th of May.  And will  have 1
>** position round in the 13th week.
>*********
>
>****End of Proposal

I agree with this proposal.  Am I correct, then, that the first scores to
count would be thrown between Nov. 19 and Nov. 26?  If I'm understanding
dates correctly, I'd like to suggest that entering averages be submitted
much like a "week 0" score.  When you bowl the last set in the chosen
league prior to Nov. 19, add that series to your total pins, increment
your number of games and submit your brand new total pins and average to
Dave by noon on Nov. 19.  Does this seem reasonable?

>Prize Fund choices:  (Based on current 45 bowlers)
>
>1) Each bowler will be required to pay a one time payment of $15.  The
>current prize fund would consist of $675.00.  Prize Breakdown:

I already voted for this option in a different posting.

And now for the real important stuff: (seriously, am I the first one to
think about this?)  What point system will we use?  My Monday league uses
8 points.  My Thursday league uses thirty-something (I think its 34, but
I forget what the grand total is worth.)  If we do 8 points, then order of
rosters is not important.  If we do "head-to-head" points, then we need to
determine parameters for submitting rosters.  I see pros and cons with both
ways I've mentioned, so I'm not going to state a preference.  I'll leave
this question on the table.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Dave Dalke)
Subject: Re: FBL
Followup-To: alt.sport.bowling
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:26:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.201457.15316@ms.uky.edu>, mdward01@nx15.mik.uky.edu
(michael d ward) wrote:
> 
> I'd like to join that Fantasy Bowling League if I could!!   Thanks!!!
> 
> Michael Ward



Count me in too!  Beauty idea!!  But, I'd rather not bowl anchor!!.


Dave Dalke
Northwestern University
Evanston, IL

pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:11:34 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: it almost makes my eyes water...

In article <1992Nov7.005039.14050@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> says:
>
>When I "happened" into this newsgroup, I think there were about three
>people who made a solitary post.

Yes, thank you to the folks who have changed this!  You know who you are.
I've even heard that 115 average bowlers can contribute here.  ;-)

Who'da thunk it?!?!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: FBL stuffola...
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:43:13 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


Ok.. well it looks like people are going to be interested!  (Gee.. thanks 
for nominating me Bob!)

So far we have:

Me
Aki
Bob Ashley
Mark Miller
Pamela Fitts
Jeff Hammond
Jeff's Wife (Jeff what is her name?)

Other peoples??  Please respond here or email (fleck@cs.itc.hp.com)

Some ideas:

Teams size will be decided by # of bowlers.

Which  game to use?  I too bowl 3 times a week in  league  and  what I
suggest  is that  everyone  pick one  league  and that will be the one
used.  I will keep a list of the league everyone uses.

Handicap league, 80% of 200 90% of 210 ??

No entering averages (except for Aki)

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: it almost makes my eyes water...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7207CA8BC2F2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:48:56 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:50:39 GMT


I don't know if anyone has really noticed but it's been alittle
over 4 months since this newsgroup really took off.

When I "happened" into this newsgroup, I think there were about three
people who made a solitary post.  Since that time, there has been over
200 unique postings.  Everyone (and that definately includes myself),
has learned a great deal of information about the sport we love.

During that period this newsgroup has matured into a newsgroup
that welcomes with open arms everyone regardless of skill
level or average.

I even tried to start a mini flame (which I sheepishly apoligized)
war when I thought this newsgroup was being poked fun at, which
I realized later was not the case.

Since this newsgroup was formed: 

1. We established a "nearly" wholesale distributor to supply us
with bowling equipment at significant savings.

2. We were able to obtain bowling balls not available to the
general public.

3. Pass knowledge that spans not only the U.S. but around the world,
that lane conditions, problems, gripes and the frustration of trying
to bowl that "perfect" game is universal.

4. Help fellow bowlers bowl games that they may not have accomplishedd
as easilly had it not been for the knowledge, encouragement and 
inspiration they have recieved from their friends in this newsgroup.

5.  And now this, a worldwide bowling league!  This may be a first!
This could possibly be the worlds first international bowling league.


A side note: I want to sincerely thank everyone who sent me money
to purchase a bowling ball.  It took a tremendous amount of trust to
send a fairly large sum of money to a total stranger hoping that
you weren't going to get ripped off.  I am flattered by the trust
everyone had in me (if you can't trust a fellow bowler, just
who the hell CAN you trust?).  Because I wanted to make sure
your orders did not get lost, I paid extra for  insurance and
two day deliverly.  I did not make a DIME off of any order.  Barry
is making very little money off of the orders he is taking.  
He is as obsessed with this crazy sport as I am, and wants to 
promote it the best he can afford to.  There will be more offers
that I can provide as they become available, and I look forward
to passing the savings onto you.

ok, nuff of that..
The ONLY regret that I have is, that I didn't buy one of those
damn BURGUNDY HAMMERS! ;-)



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: daved@rocky.gte.com (Dave Drab)
Subject: Re: Current FBL Member list
Organization: GTE/MSED
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:47:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.171518.13708@europa.asd.contel.com> ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>In article 13051@europa.asd.contel.com,  king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:
>>	I would be interested also.  I sent a reply E-Mail to you but it
>>[...]
>>Larry King
>>GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
>>E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@gte.com
>
>
>Larry -
>
>We could form a team out of GTE, past and present ... that would be at
>least three of us ... 
>
>Bob - leadoff bowler  :-)
>

Need a fourth for the All-GTE Team??  (Hi, Larry.  Yes, I have been
lurking all this time).


Dave Drab
GTE Gov't Systems, Needham, MA
daved@rocky.gte.com
-- 

 Dave Drab			|	email: daved@rocky.gte.com
 GTE Government Systems Corp.	|
 Needham, Massachusetts 	|	Phone: (617) 455-5928
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:12:09 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: All kind of stuff

In article <1992Nov5.192115.26110@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> says:
>
>What I call "cheaters" are bowlers who use different balls under
>different lane conditions.  That, to me is the true cheater.  In
>the (ah hem) "old" days, you used one ball, under every condition.  You
>merely adjusted.  That was the good ole days.  Unfortunately, there's
>not too many people (myself included) that will stick to one ball

In all my 25 years of bowling, I've always carried only one ball.  Right
now, its a nice plastic Columbia yollow dot Legend.  I used to average
mid 190's for a while.  Now I'm almost back to breaking 180.

Last night's set: 200, 176, 183.  On a 173 average (Monday's average was 178
before this week,) I was giving 7 pins per game and only won the first one.

I hate when that happens.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: FBL Needs 3 more peoples....
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:09:36 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


With 3 more people we can have 12 5 person teams...  right now we have
57.

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: mdward01@nx15.mik.uky.edu (michael d ward)
Subject: Test Post(ignore)
Reply-To: JPG
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:30:38 GMT

Just seeing If I can get this thing to work...:)


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Bowling Centers Hate list
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:14:08 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
> In article <92309.43035.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> ,
> L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> 
> 
> 
> >AKI, since you're of a higher caliber,...
> 
> How did you know? ..I sold my 9mm and brought a .45...

Sheesh... get a real man's gun... like my .44 Mag!

> bowler faster and quitcher bitchin!  Wimmin...
> (now where's my chewin tobakky?)

Won't touch this one!

> 
> 
> Seriously,  BREAST FEEDING in the pit? Wow...I GOTTA
> more to California....;-)

I won't complain about spelling anymore Aki, just curious how 
you more to California? (sounds like it could be interesting!)

Also.. being an EX-Californian and having not heard of such a thing
I am wondering if I missed out on something!

:-) :-)

(tis thursday and I am bored!)

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Last Reminder...
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:33:08 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Today is the last day to signup for the FBL.  Tommorrow we pick teams.

Dave
____________________________________________________________________
     |______________________________________________________________
     |
     |     Fantasy Bowling League Secretary                        o 
     |                                                           o 
     |                                                         o   o
     |                                                       o   o  
     |                                                       @ o   o
     |                                                    @      o
     |@     =>      @       =>      @        =>       @            o <=UGH!
     |______________________________________________________________ 
_____|______________________________________________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fleck                              Hewlett-Packard Co.  Colorado Springs
Internet: fleck@cs.itc.hp.com           Information Technology Center
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: All kind of stuff
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:52:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.021322.12278@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto) writes:
>Speaking of which...Anyone out there ever hear of a "Guts" league?
>This is a league where you *cannot* use urethane equipment -- only
>plastic or rubber (no LT-48's or soakers, either) balls.  A few
>houses in Southern Cal have attempted to start leagues of this 
>nature; I'd bowl if I was still living there.  It would be in-
>teresting to see what kind of "bowlers" would actually patronize
>this league...hmmm...
>

Yeh, a house here in Columbus has had a summer scratch singles league like
that the last couple years. Everyone has to use an identical ball (I forget
the brand, but it's hard plastic). I haven't entered it, but a lot of good
bowlers have. I think the high average wasn't much over 200. Maybe even less.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Misc things that piss me off...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71EE00D4C1B2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:28:29 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:30:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.192754.8983@europa.asd.contel.com> Bob Ashley,
ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:


>Nothing like getting your hands on one of those slick oil-ridden balls
...

..and french fry sticking out of the thumbhole....

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Current FBL Member list
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:56:19 GMT

In article 16412@europa.asd.contel.com,  daved@rocky.gte.com (Dave Drab) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.171518.13708@europa.asd.contel.com> ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>>In article 13051@europa.asd.contel.com,  king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:
>>>	I would be interested also.  I sent a reply E-Mail to you but it
>>>[...]
>>>Larry King
>>>GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
>>>E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@gte.com
>>
>>
>>Larry -
>>
>>We could form a team out of GTE, past and present ... that would be at
>>least three of us ... 
>>
>>Bob - leadoff bowler  :-)
>>
>
>Need a fourth for the All-GTE Team??  (Hi, Larry.  Yes, I have been
>lurking all this time).


>
>Dave Drab
>GTE Gov't Systems, Needham, MA
>daved@rocky.gte.com
>-- 

The GTE team:
	Bob Ashley (FSD, Chantilly, VA)
	Paul "Cliffy" Palmer (formerly FSD - ACK pending)
	Larry King (Gov't Systems, Needham)
	Dave Drab (Needham)


Bob - nice lineup  :-)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Ashley                        Internet:  Bob.Ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com

Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: removing paint from your balls
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 13:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.214947.13986@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
|>In article <1992Nov4.203433.9881@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> Paul,
|>palmer@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
|>>Now the questions:
|>>
|>>1)  Am I the only bowler who does not look at the pins between the
|>>	time I step on the approach and the time I release the ball?
|>>	(I don't think I could bowl without the spots anymore.)
|>>
|>
|>1.  No, I don't even look at the pins once I "set" on my approach..in fact
|>     I don't even look at the pins until my ball is well down the lane.
|>

	I never look at the pins till my ball is beyond my 
line of vision. In fact I have had my team throwing stuff at
me to get my attention when pins have fallen or not even been
set.
	On the point of equipment making better bowlers. I
for the most part agree. 15-20 years ago accuracy and consistency
were very important. Now it seems more like crank and throw, if
the lanes are in fairly good shape things will work. 
	However what i've found is if you just keep in touch
with some of these crankers they will eventually become frustated.
By just hanging around, not missing spares, and keeping within
10 pins or so most crankers will start to over throw and there is
the opening you need to win. If they don't then so much the
better make them throw 220+ to win and see how often they do.

---------------------------------------------------------------^--------------
jeffh@bnr.ca | My opinions do not represent those|            /|\
mss	     | of my employer or any other person|           \ | /            
-------------|-------------------- I know.       |            \|/
The only true power of the universe| SO THERE!   |<------------+------------>
is that of the individual. The   |---------------|            /|\
only true individual is one      |    GO!!!      |           / | \
who knows his place in the cosmos|   COWBOYS     |         |/_ | _\|
and seeks to extend it. jjh      |    BILLS      |             |
---------------------------------------------------------------v--------------
                                  
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: FBL
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71FE29821242631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:51:36 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:53:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov06.001408.18403@watson.ibm.com> Andy Cookingham,
cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com writes:
>Seams like a good time to jump into the fray. I have been reading the
>news for a couple of weeks.		      
>I think the FBL is a good idea. Count me in.									       							
>

Welcome to the fracas Andy, and may God have mercy on your soul...
;-) ..

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Thanks for your replies
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:25:20 -1000
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

Thanks, a.s.b'ers, for responding to my post , it's much appreciated.

It turned out our Vax's news comlink had had some undetected problem which
meant that no news posts had left our site in Hawaii since *AUGUST* 9th	:-(

It's weird when you are receiving everyone else's posts, but your own are 
stuck at the loading dock!  Kind of frustrating!
-- 
Perry J. Bird - Support Services Manager,  VeriFone (UK) Limited.
                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.
From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: What makes a top bowler a top bowler?
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:45:46 -1000
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

Here's something to chew over:-

Just what exactly is it, do you think, which makes the difference between a
*good* bowler (160-170 ave, say) and a *top* bowler (200 plus average) ?? 

Is it:-

	Accuracy
	Luck		:)
	Consistency of release
	Skill in adjustment to lanes / changes in lanes during play
	Choice of equipment
	Choice of house
	Quantity of equipment :)
	Hours practice per week
	Something you're born with
	Coaching
	Blood-alcohol level :)
	... or what?
	
There *must* be something identifiably different about those who can bowl 
*that *well, most *all* of the time!

Wish I knew (struggling to better a 170 average myself...)
-- 
Perry J. Bird - Support Services Manager,  VeriFone (UK) Limited.
                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: A moment of your time?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A721BE3D37302631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 7 Nov 92 23:41:01 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.001447.4616@verifone.com> Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD,
perry_b@verifone.com writes:
>Sorry to be a pain, but I suspect my recent posts here aren't reaching
the 
>net.  Please prove me wrong, if you saw this post, please email me a
very 
>brief "yes, I got it" reply?
>

..yes your last two posts made it to the net...welcome...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: FBL Signup Deadline
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:50:30 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.161118.22262@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
> >The deadline for signing up will be Thursday the 12th of November.  (I
> >just can't see setting the deadline as Friday the 13th....)
> 
> Meaning that the teams will be picked after that?
> 
> Is there any consensus on how teams will be formed?

I know of one group that would like to be a team and I have no problem
with  that...  I think the most random way to do this is to draw names
out of a hat...  If husbands  and wifes want to stay  together  than I
will put both names on one tag.

This sound ok to everyone????

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Reporting scores
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7295AC960072631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:14:49 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:16:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.232620.9012@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com> Keith Becker,
keith@rss.dl.nec.com writes:
>Seems like with all these FBL members, we may want to think about
>easing the league secretary's job by automating the collection of
>scores. I've seen this scheme used before on the net to collect
>ballots in various polls (mostly done in various .music newsgroups).
>The idea is pretty simple; you mail a standard form to report your
>scores, with a special keyword in the subject line. The recipient
>can then run them through a program to process the scores.


Sure, sounds like a good ideee to me...how about making it even easier
and have the Captain of each team submit the scores for their team?

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling