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From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      New Year Message (IFCSS HQ NR-4094)
Reply-To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:30:26 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu, council@venus.physics.emory.edu

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4094      January 21, 1993
                    NEW YEAR MESSAGE
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


                    New Year Message
                    ================


Dear IFCSS Members:



     It is a real pleasure at the holiday time to say

                   "Thank You"

     as we wish you a full year of happiness and success.



     The IFCSS HQ office will be closed tomorrow (Friday) as
the HQ officers will visit Philadelphia to join the New Year
Party sponsored by the CSSAP at the University of Pennsylvania.

     On saturday, the officers will join the New Year celebration
activities sponsored by the CSSS at the University of Virginia
at Charlottesville, Virginia.

     They will bring two movies, some IFCSS brochures,
some information about IFCSS Health Insurance, and Q&A on
the 1992 Chinese Protection Act. The purpose of these
visits is to spend the holiday time with local CSS,
to introduce IFCSS sponsored projects and to seek comments
and suggestions on the work of IFCSS.

     Thank you all for the support to IFCSS in the past year.


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* Vice-President: He Baoping     Executive Director: Zhang Qingsong *
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* Assist the development of  scienece, culture and economy in China *
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: li@padeds.harvard.edu (Weigang Li)
Subject: Re: TEST
Organization: Harvard University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 03:50:18 GMT

hi, 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Zhimin Chen <zhimin@UNSSUN.SCS.UNR.EDU>
Subject:      Ifcss file server ceased to exist?
Reply-To: Zhimin Chen <zhimin@UNSSUN.SCS.UNR.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:38:19 GMT
Comments: To: China-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

I've been trying for a couple days to download some recent issues of HXWZ.
I used to be a breeze.  I type ftp ifcss.org and that's it.

But now the feedback says "no host".  What's the problem? Does anyone had
similar troubles?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: giles@news.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Giles Nelson)
Subject: Re: European Parliament Resolution on Tibet
Originator: giles@granite
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:00:06 GMT


Chunde Shi writes in article 3618:

> Those Europes are joining U.S. to screw China. They put China on spotlight
> while have an blind eye on theirown problem(Balkans).

The US is not screwing China. It may be actively supporting Taiwan and India
to preserve the balance of power, but China still has most favoured nation status,
which of course is aimed at supporting American industry but does China no harm
either.

I can assure you that the Europeans are well aware of the problem in the Balkans.
That's why European peace-keeping troops are in Bosnia, and sanctions have been
placed on Serbia for some time. Organisations are also well aware of
the human-rights violations that have occurred.
It has been European led peace initiatives that are now reaping some reward.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: tak@leland.Stanford.EDU (David William Budd)
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 02:49:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.021239.6083@bnlux1.bnl.gov> ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) writes:
>In article <C166I5.LAC@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>  Philippine was backed up by China?  :-)
>
>>Tibet was part of China since 13xx, Tibet had representative in KMT's
>>government before 1949. You guys using manufacured issue on Tibet, trying to
>>equate that with colonilism of yours, to alleviate your responsibility on
>>past colonial crimes, because China was/is a major country that supported many
>>colonies to gain independent. 


Tibet is interesting for one other very important reason. In the early
1950's, the CCP negotiated a programme very similar
to the "one country, two systems" set-up in Hongkong. Tibet
was promised a number of things such as non-interference in religion,
and a great deal of autonomy, much as Hongkong people have been
promised. Unfortunately, talk and practise have not been the 
same. The PRC has on many occasions violated the terms
of the agreement. Tibet is an important indicator
of China's actons after 30.6.97.

Just a thought..

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: xhuang@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject:      test
Reply-To: xhuang@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:08:33 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

This is a test !
From: PNCSPPC@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Tibetan farmers sentenced to 15 years [forwarded article]
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:39:54 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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To:	tibet.info@gnosys.svle.ma.us
CC:	
Subj:	Farmers sentenced to 15 years

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From: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Hou Jun-wei's poster
Reply-To: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:24:00 GMT

Re: Hou Jun-wei
        You claimed that Dr. Zhao haiqing has transfered $50,000 from
IFCSS to May 4th foundation, but Dr. Zhao haiqing has denied it. What
is the source that you got this information?
        You claimed that Dr. Zhao haiqing does not bother to tell the CSS
how he spends the money donated by the CSS. That is not true! Have you knew
several council member have visited May 4th, and they concluded the
record is clear. have you read CCSA finacial report?
        Dr. Zhao haiqing has worked full time during last year lobby for
all CSS, without any paycheck, he sacrificed his full time, his academic
career, his everything. I do not think your conclution is fair.
                                Dawei Zhou, Florida
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: re: a council member's thought's by Mr.Zhou
Reply-To: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:00:44 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Dear Mr. Zhou:
   In almost all your letters, mails,......, it seems that you think you
represent the majority of CSSs. I wonder how you are so sure.
   It is very inappropriate for you to say so without convincing facts,
surveys and ......
   At least I know I disagree with you in most of your thoughts.
   And I really think your messages are destroying the unity of IFCSS, and
serving the purpose which probably you don't like either.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:50:46 GMT

In <1993Jan25.020700.2210@leland.Stanford.EDU> tak@leland.Stanford.EDU (David William Budd) writes:

>(recall, the US did not exectute Emperor
>Hirohito of Japan in 1945, although it certainly had the
>power to do so.

also recall, the PRC did not exectute Dala Lama
of Tibet in 1950, although it certainly had the
power to do so.
From: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: test
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University

test. sorry.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Bo Peng <bo@SAVIIK.CEM.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  I wish that Geng and Zhao can work together under the IFCSS
              flag
Reply-To: Bo Peng <bo@SAVIIK.CEM.MSU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:39:15 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu, UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

>From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
>        I believe both of Geng xiao and Zhao haiqing have the same gaol
>to promote the progress of China, to promote the human right of China.
>Therefore all differences can be solved by compromise. Zhao should pay
>more respection to the new leadship of IFCSS and rules, Geng should trust
>and support more working committee's work. I wish both of you will work
>together under the IFCSS flag.
>        Compromise is the best solution.
>                                        Dawei Zhou, Florida, Jan.25,1993

Now why does that sound soooooo much better?! Maybe there IS hope to China,
after all. :-)

Bo Peng
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Hongkuan Li <hli@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Connection to Internet by PRC
Reply-To: Hongkuan Li <hli@aecom.yu.edu>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:25:25 GMT
Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT <CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu>

YES. FOR MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE TALK WITH FENG AT EMAIL
ADDRESS<FDONG@AECOM.YU.EDU>, WHO RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM BEIJING, PRC.

WE ALL HOPE CONNECT PRC ON EMAIL EARLIER.


On Thu, 28 Jan 1993 B118789@VAX.CSC.CUHK.HK wrote:

> Does anyone have any news on the PRC's connection to the Internet. In
> recent postings on this net it was indicated that the PRC had adopted
> the TCP/IP Domain Naming System but that it had not yet adopted the
> full TCP/IP protocol suite. Does anyone know what the precise problem
> is, and when it is likely to be resolved?
>
> Thanks in advance for your advice in this regard.
>
> Bryce McIntyre, Ph.D.
> The Chinese University of Hong Kong
From: wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Need your answer to Oedipus Complex
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:15:42 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi folk:

I was trying to proove a point (sorry I can't say it more explicitly, 
lest to jeopardize the objectiveness of the research), and I need some data,
from people raised in cultures other than western denomination.

Question: Do you ever have Oedipus complex, in your earlyhood? [y/n]
[optional]: if yes, when?

Under no circumstances shall I reveal the names and answers of questionees
to a third party. It's only for research uses. It will only apear as a total 
figure, if it  ever will appear.

P.S.: Oedipus was, by Greek mythology, the King of Thebes, who couldn't 
fight his fate but killed his father and lied with his mother. Oedipus 
complex is, according to Dr Sigmund Freud, the human sexual impulse
towards mother and hatred and murderous wish against father.

Interest people may refer to "Oedipus Rex", which happened to be a 
fantanstic Greek drama.

My truly appreciations.

--wang
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Ye <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU>
Subject:      question
Reply-To: Ye <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:20:30 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Is there a way that those who donated to IFCSS only for the sake of supporting
Mr. Zhao to get their money back so that they can re-donate to Mr. Zhao?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: giles@news.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Giles Nelson)
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Originator: giles@granite
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:31:48 GMT


Yuanhui Lie writes in article 3536:

> I wonder since during 1950-51 the PLA routed the local Tibetan forces,
> entered Larsa, and since they obviously are ruthless bunch of liers and
> murderers like you said, why bother negiotiate an agreement with
> Dalai Lama?  why not shoot him then and there, since Tibet had nothing
> to negoiate with? 

China wanted the public support of the Dalai Lama. If they had got this the
people of Tibet would have also supported the Chinese. Tibet would have been
far easier to govern than it was and still is.

The genocide that committed in Tibet, often compared with atrocities in the
2nd World War against the Jews, is a sure indication of the dogmatic and
extreme tendencies of the PLA, both before and during the cultural revolution
particularly.

Giles Nelson.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: X0G4301@TAMVENUS.BITNET
Subject:      We are disappointed.
Reply-To: X0G4301@TAMVENUS.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:49:00 GMT

     Texas A&M Univ. Student Protection Working Group has held a
meeting regarding the recent incident of Dr. Zhao Haiqing's
resignation, the meeting has concluded as the following points:

1. Dr. Zhao Haiqing has made great contribution on public relations
on behalf of Chinese Students for many years, Texas A&M students
value and appreciate his effort. We urge him to take leadership
role in the future, within or outside of IFCSS.

2. We are greatly disappointed with IFCSS HQ and Council in dealing
with this matter, by doing so, IFCSS' image has been largely
damaged in Texas A&M.

3. We believe it is not the time now for seeking credit. It is
neither the way to solve the management problem by totally control
everything under IFCSS HQ, Working Committees should have relative
flexibility in operations, management and financial matters, given
appropriate public supervision.

4. We have built our confidence on Student Affairs Committee and
Dr. Zhao Haiqing through working relations since 1989. Texas A&M
Student Protection Working Group shall continue our support to Dr.
Zhao Haiqing and cooperate with him.


               Texas A&M Chinese Student Protection Committee
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "Xu, Gang" <GXU@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Chinese New Year Party in Metro Detroit Area
Reply-To: "Xu, Gang" <GXU@KENTVM.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:04:02 GMT

          Chinese New Year Celebrition in Metro-Detroit Area

Date: Feb. 6, 1993 (Saturday)
Time: 6:30pm to Midnight
Place: Troy Wass School
       (West of Dequindre, between Long Lake and Square Lake)
Organizer: C.A.G.D. (Chinese Association of Greater Detroit)
Fee:  Members Free;
      Non-Members: $3.00 for single and $5.00 for family
Contents: Social hour, Refreshments, Entertainments, Dancing,
      Games, Chess, Poker and more
Information: Hongxing Hu(575-4419),David Lu(248-4274)
      and Dazong Wang(280-6611), all with the area code 313.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: xhuang@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject:      test
Reply-To: xhuang@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:09:40 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

This is a test .
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:12:39 GMT

In article <C166I5.LAC@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>You are trying to belittle the matter of U.S. occupation of Germany and Japan.
>It is militray occupation, no more no less.

  By this definition of occupation, every nation is occupied by other nations
  so long as there are foreign institutes like embassies/consulates stationed
  on its territory.

>Give Germans and Japanese a choice, see wheather they like to be occupied.
>Recent racial disturbance in Germany, though manifested as intolerence against
>new immigrants and Turkish workers. The deeper sentment is aimed at U.S.
>troops. Because Germany are at no position to ask U.S. leave, Germans had to
>do it through gradual means. That is whay U.S. was so alarmed and sent
>Joe Kennedy to calm Germans down with John Kennedy connection(Germans are
>gratful to John).

  If Philippine can ask U.S. to leave, why can't Germany?  Because
  Philippine was backed up by China?  :-)

>Tibet was part of China since 13xx, Tibet had representative in KMT's
>government before 1949. You guys using manufacured issue on Tibet, trying to
>equate that with colonilism of yours, to alleviate your responsibility on
>past colonial crimes, because China was/is a major country that supported many
>colonies to gain independent. 

  Is it with China's support that Outter Mongolia gained its independence?
  Probably next would be Queque for China to help to gain independence.  :-)

  And what China did to the occupation of those countries by Russia?

-ping
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 10:08:42 MST
From: <AGJBP@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: forward for a fellow CSS (author name attatch as always)

>>
>>We hope his leadership does not end with his resignation.
>
>Who are 'we' here? Please specify, if possible.
>

Count me as one of 'we'

>Are you talking about lifetime leadership?

Don't twist the fact. He just meant ZHQ's resignation before his term's
expiration. No parallel to 'lifetime leadership'.

>
>Don't you think limited term of office is one the main element of democracy?
>Do you expect that Mr. Bush's leadership will not end even after Mr. Clinton
>takes over the White House tonight?
>
>Why don't you give the new leadership a chance?

>
>
>Diane
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Junwei Hou, What is the fact?
Reply-To: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:02:00 GMT

        Dear Jun-wei Hou,
        I personally respect your a few posters during last year lobby.
        But i do not agree with your today's poster which charges Dr. Zhao
haiqing has tansfered $50,000 to May 4th fonudation. I just checked with
Dr. Zhao haiqing, he said that is not true! That never happened! all the
money of May 4th foundation is came from CSS donations, some $20, some $30.
        Mr. Hou Junwei, you are a law student, you know the law, you know
that you have to speak to rely on fact rather than rely on rumor.
        I would like to ask you to release the source where you got the
information that Dr. Zhao haiqing has transfered $50,000 from IFCSS to
May 4th foundation.
        I do not agree with many your conclutions, we can discuss those
later.
        I do believe clear and open politics will safeguard the
constitution of IFCSS and IFCSS self. No one is allowed to play tricks
in this democratic organization.
        IFCSS is a independent organization, CCP can not control, KMP
can not control, any other organizations can not control the IFCSS.
Because IFCSS belongs to the whole body of CSS. Clear and open politics
will safeguard the right of the majority of CSS to know the truth and
to make decision.
        Any officers and officials will be under the investigation of
the majority of CSS. They must represent CSS rather to represent other
organizations. This is the independence of our IFCSS!
                                Dawei Zhou, Jan.21, 1993
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: European Parliament Resolution on Tibet
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:36:11 GMT

In article <C19I8J.Gw@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
writes:
> In article <C19758.1nu@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C.  
Richter) writes:
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >2. European Parliament Resolution on the Situation in Tibet
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Forwarded by Tica Broch in Geneva
> > 
> >   [This is the complete text of a resolution on Tibet that was adopted by 
> >   the European Parliament on December 15, 1992.  All members present voted 
> >   for the resolution, with the extreme left (Communists) and right (Le Pen) 
> >   abstaining; so the resolution is considered to have the unanimous support 
> >   of the European Parliament. -CR]
> >                                
> >Resolution A3-0369/92
> > 
> >The European Parliament, 
> > 
> Those Europes are joining U.S. to screw China. They put China on spotlight
> while have an blind eye on theirown problem(Balkans).
> 
> This kind of "Chinese guilty" rhetoric may have two kinds of impact on  
Chinese
> people, which we should be consciously avoided:
>   1. Being embittled and becoming self-rightious indiscriminately. It often 
> be manifested by actions that deliberately against those who verbally abuse
> us, and serve no other purpose. 

I think you are the perfect example! Nobody is a better example than you.


>   2. Become self-gulty all time,  apologitical, even self abusive. Those kind 
> of Chinese can be easily identified in the net. 

I only see more and more Chinese are getting realistic. If we are right then we  
are right. If we are wrong, then there is no need to pretend that we are right.
This has nothing to do with so-called "Anglo-Saxon conspiracy" (presented by  
you).

Carl
From: zhao@fisher.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: test
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:53:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis
Originator: zhao@fisher.ucdavis.edu

Test!
From: zhao@wald.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Test Test
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:14:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis
Originator: zhao@wald.ucdavis.edu

test a test.
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