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From: weinss@hall104.its.rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Failing drug tests
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:07:16 GMT


markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) writes:

In article <1992Dec9.235300.6553@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
writes:
>> ...
>> I don't know about drugs, but if you eat a poppy seed bagel before
>> taking a piss test AND the lab used for the test is not careful,
>> you will have a false positive for heroin.
>>
>Isn't this an urban legend? The so-called 'poppy' seed on buns, muffins,
>etc. is not in any way related to the drug-producing poppy plant.
>
>Mark
I heard (several years ago and it could be false) that the military once
ordered a bunch of guys to take a drug test and they had to take a bus
to where the test was to be administered and the bus stopped at a deli
and about half the guys failed the test but their superiors couldn't
believe that many were on drugs so they checked it out and it turned out
that there was a very high correlation between the test results and the
type of rolls the guys had ordered.

Whether the plants are genetically related is irrelevant; the question 
is that of the chemical properties of one particular molecular compound 
in them.  Analogously, breathlizers do not care whether you're drunk on 
beer or wine.

Stephen Weinstein
weinss@rpi.edu
If more college students voted (and could afford lobbyists), there would
be more financial aid.
NOTE: I will be away from the net 12/17-1/10.
From: tse@foolish.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Objectives
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:02:29 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <1992Dec11.104033.14856@midway.uchicago.edu> popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu (Glenn Popelka) writes:
>klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee) responds:
>
>>> I don't read (and don't hire) resumes without objectives.  It helps to sort
>>> out resumes keept on file or received for multiple job openings.
>
>>An objective does add alot to a resume; showing that
>>the person is enthusiastic about a particular work area and (at least
>>think they have) strongly relevant skills/experience in it.
>
> An objective may be appropriate for a new grad (especially with a BA
>in English), but it should be pretty clear what one's objective is when
>applying for a specific job and presenting 5-10 years of experience in
>a specific field.

Yeah right.  I wish more hiring managers and head hunters would read the
objective on my resume.  I don't want to do firmware.  I don't want to
do diagnostic.  I don't want to do CAD.  I don't want to do anything
remotely related to management.  And Lord knows I *don't* want to go
into sales or apps engineering.  If I had a dollar for every nibble I
get for positions unrelated to what I state in my objective...

OBTW, I've been fielding calls from an unusually large number of head
hunters and HR types for the last month or two.  Is this true for other
folks on the net [in the SF Bay Area]?

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM		"The fascination of what's difficult",
(408) 862-5452  		    The wish to do what one's not done before,
				Is the proper card to show at Heaven's door.
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Companies ack of receipt of resume...
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:50:59 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <q#-rn9+@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>Do companies not acknowledge receipt of resumes anymore? It is certainly
>I can understand if I sent the company a resume cold, but I've only sent
>out resumes from ads, and have recieved what I feel is a low percentage
>of acknowledgements- less than 25% for resumes 3+ weeks mailed. Is that
>a low percentage or am I just being unlucky here?

I am absolutely amazed that you have received a 25% response.  I've 
only heard of a very few instances where a company sent out acknowledgements
of receiving resumes.  Especially in these hard economic times, when 
companies get 100's if not 1000's of resumes.  The cost of acknowledging
this number of resumes is phenomenal.  Usually, the only response I've
ever heard of anyone getting is that "standard" reject letter which
goes something like "...although your qualifications were excellent,
we have found someone else who more closely fit our needs...  However,
we will keep your resume on file and if a position develops that fits
your qualifications, we will contact you..."  I HATE THESE LETTERS!
I would almost rather NOT hear anything than to get one of these letters!
--Keith

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Inappropriate responses to job posting
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:01:47 GMT

I'd like to make a simple observation regarding some responses I have 
received to a job posting I made a while back.  I indicated that my company
desires to hire a senior technical writer, and I gave a fair description
of the background the person should have.  I also indicated that resumes
could be sent to me, or to our HR person.  I received resumes from
students who anticipate graduating soon and were seeking positions as
software engineers, a resume from a non-US resident who asked if my company
would like to sponsor him for a work visa (he was a software engineer),
and various other responses.  

I don't know about other managers, but I don't like receiving this kind
of reply.  It leaves me with a less-than-favorable impression of the 
person.  If someone wants to inquire about other possible openings, then
it's appropriate to drop someone a quick e-mail inquiring about other
positions.  But it reflects poorly on a person to say "I am writing in 
response to your recent job
posting" when you have absolutely no qualifications that make you 
appropriate for the position mentioned.

I just wanted to mention this to others who blindly reply to any and 
all job postings.  You would probably do better to send an informal 
query about other positions rather than sending your resume for a 
position you are not qualified for.

-- 
***********************************************************************
 Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
 Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
 phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
From: ew@cs.brown.edu (Eddy Wong)
Subject: Cambridge Technology Partners
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:54:26 GMT

Does anybody know about a consulting firm called Cambridge 
Technology Partners based in Cambridge, MA?
If you know anything about this company, please pass along
the information.

Thanks in advance,



Eddy.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mr. Eddy Wong 

Department of Computer Science, Box 1910, Brown University
Providence, RI 02912-1910, USA 

e-mail:	    ew@cs.brown.edu
    	    ew@browncs.bitnet
    	    uunet!brunix!ew
From: yanming@doc.ee.pdx.edu (Yanming Shi)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: TEST, (just a test, nothing else)
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:10:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6572
Distribution: na



Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssss iiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssss aaaaaaaaaaa TEST.
PLEASE IGNORE.

Mark.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Starting salary for new grads in NY?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:05:30 GMT

What is the standard starting salary for new grads (B.S.) in CS in NYC area?

Thanks for the info.

-- 
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AI Lab, University of Ottawa \ CBC Stereo|Berg        Sonata, b minor, op. 1
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From: timhu@ico.isc.com (Timothy Hu)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Civil Engineering Salary?
Keywords: Salary, Civil Engineering
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:57:16 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO

What's the nature of his work? Government? Private?
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: International Software Assignments
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:24:44 GMT

icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez) writes:

>	The International Computer Professional Association is a member 
>supported organization for experienced software professionals who want to
>work overseas. By using our network of over 750 technical recruitment firms 

Member supported?  Hm.  Translation: "We charge for membership".  Okay,
how much are the fees, then?  I don't want you to think this is a flame,
I am just trying to get exact data.

t.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Controversial organizations? (Re: Advice from a hiring manager on resumes
Keywords: Advice
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:16:52 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec10.170752.23595@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>	
>	Association for Computing Machinery
>	Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
>	National Eagle Scout Association
>	Mensa
>	National Merit Scholar, XX/XX (date).
>
>To me, these all are important indicators as to my overall being,
>professional and personal, and supplement my ~2 years of professional
>experience.  I'm interested in how these could be interpreted as
>controversial.  

In some circles at least, CPSR are perceived as being a bunch of commie
pinko liberal anti-war anti-establishment scum. I tend to support them
myself.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: timhu@ico.isc.com (Timothy Hu)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Starting salary for new grads in NY?
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:22:01 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO


>   Is good code or hot food more inportant??

Without hot foot, we can't write good code. Catch-22.


-- 
Timothy Hu timhu@ico.isc.com	 | The intelligence (or lack of) expressed
Interactive Systems Corporation  | above does not necessarily reflect the
Resource Solutions International | that of anyone else.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,rec.humor
From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: SORRY TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE!!!!!!
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:01:04 GMT
Keywords: I APPOLIGIZE

In article <15822@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, dellis@Auspex.COM (David Ellis) writes:
=)WELL TO ALL OF YOU I OFFENDED OUT THERE IM SORRY FOR TRYING
=)TO HELP OUT A COUPLE OF LADIES FIND SOME WORK, DURING THESE
=)HARD TIMES.
=)BUT I GUESS I SHOULD'NT HELP PEOPLE IF THEY NEED IT RIGHT???
=)I MEAN HECK WE ALL HAVE JOBS RIGHT!! SO SCREW THOSE WHO ARE
=)LESS FORTUNATE THAN US????
=)
=)IM KIND OF NEW AT THIS MAILER THING SO IM SORRY IF I SCREWED UP
=)I TRIED TO POST TO THE RIGHT NEWS GROUPS AND I DID TYPE (ba)
=)FOR THE BAY AREA ONLY. I DONT KNOW WHY IT WENT EVERYWHERE ELSE.
=)
=)OH BY THE WAY , ONE OF THOSE LADIES HAS THREE KIDS ,BUT WHO CARES
=)RIGHT..?
=)
=)WELL YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS AND A GREAT NEW YEAR
=)AND I WON'T BE WASTING YOUR VALUBLE READING TIME AGAIN WITH
=)GARBAGE LIKE THIS AGAIN ... BAH HUMBUG!!!!!!!!!!!
=).
=)
No problem, Biff!  I'm sure you'll find that caps lock key pretty soon.
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,alt.grad-student.tenured
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: Faculty underclass
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 18:26:37 EST

In article <1g9cf5INNepm@tamsun.tamu.edu> bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.161028.13840@hubcap.clemson.edu> pvuyyur@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>>
>>Let me enlighten Mr. Canright on this issue. All the universities put out in 
>>BOLD letters that they are an equal opportunity universities and do not 
>>discriminate on the basis of race, nationality .....(the list is endless).
>>Then they admit a large number of the so called cheap labor and sprinkle a few
>>assistatships here and there. The American Grads and their European counterparts
>>are then given fellowships and all the well paying assistantships. They actually 
>
So where's mine? 

Listen, you're here, aren't you? I'm sorry I need to be so blunt about
it, but if you really feel the need to complain, perhaps your own
national university would be much better suited to your needs. Somehow
I doubt the administrators there take the complimentary view of admitting
American or European graduate students into their own departments.

Chris
From: reidyj@mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Companies ack of receipt of resume...
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:46:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1gtkcoINNeg8
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: mundania.cs.orst.edu

In article <ted.724654820@sage0> ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:
>lauter@pogo.den.mmc.com (Karen Lauter) writes:
>
>>In article <q#-rn9+@lynx.unm.edu>, blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>>> 
>>> Do companies not acknowledge receipt of resumes anymore? It is certainly
>>> seeming that way in my latest job search....
>>> 

 I think you're experiencing just one more reason why companies in this country are being eclipsed by those in other countries.  The management of companies just don't give a darn about people who apply or the people who are subsequently
 hired to do a job.

 With a bad economy, US companies think they can treat workers like dirt and
 then the scum workers should be grateful to even have a job.

 I've applied for jobs to maintain code I'd written or been a project leader
 for, never heard whether they got my resume, never got called for an interview
 and of course didn't get the form letter rejection.  I happen to know they
 did get my stuff and I know who they hired (he, he, he, are they in trouble!).

 What's worse, getting nothing at all, so you never know if you were even 
 reviewed or applying with a master's or PhD for a job requireing only an AA
 or BA? and getting the "We found someone more qualified...."?  At least the
 latter treatment allows you to close out your files.

 One of these days, American companies will have managers who read W. Edward 
 Demmings, and follow what he says!

 Bitter, who me?
From: bobp@hal.com (Bob Pendleton)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Advice from a hiring manager on resume
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:23:02 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.

From article <1gb2pjINNc75@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU>, by loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore):
> mbond@ugly.UVic.CA (Michael  Bond) writes:
> 
>    What do they want when an employer asks for your salary requirements?
> 
>    How do you avoid ruining your chances at a job because you asked for to
>    much or too little?
> 
> If they ask you this before they've made it clear they're going to
> make you an offer, you can simply answer that you expect to be paid a
> competitive salary but you think it's more important to establish
> whether you're a good match for the job before worrying about
> negotiating your salary.  The only possible exception to this would be
> if it's obvious you'd be taking a pay cut; make sure that the
> prospective employer knows that you're willing to consider the job
> anyway.

I've tried it several different ways. And, I've been on the hiring
side a few times now. My personal opinion is that you never discuss
what you want for a salary until after you've seen an offer.

There is nothing that gives you that sinking feeling quite so badly as
telling them what you make and having them immidiately lower the job
title they were talking about bringing you in at. :-(

				Bob P.
-- 
Bob Pendleton             | As an engineer I hate to hear:
bobp@hal.com              |   1) You've earned an "I told you so."
Speaking only for myself. |   2) Our customers don't do that.
                   <<< Odin, after the well of Mimir. >>>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: Re: How to answer salary questions (was Re: Advice...resume)
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:43:44 GMT

In article <mjenkins.724171085@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>So if the employer says, "What are your expectations?" so I sa,
>$22,500, as is the norm in my profession, or $40,000, approximately
>what my wife makes?

I don't think any employer is going to base your pay on what your spouse
makes  (and if they were, they would lower your salary since you don't
need the income as much as someone whose spouse doesn't earn as much.)
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
	"Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
	for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: zheng@brahms.udel.edu (Xian-Feng Zheng)
Subject: Salary in Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:05:12 GMT

With a M.S. degree in Marine Science, I am applying for a position of scientific programmer in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.  Could anyone kindly tell me the acceptable salary for the position in the region?

Many thanks in advance.

Feng.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pvuyyur@eng.clemson.edu (Vuyyuru Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Faculty underclass
Reply-To: pvuyyur@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:20:46 GMT

Pauline,
	I am sorry about the outburst. I posted an apology for generalizing the issue.
I expected every everybody to give me a tounge-lashing. Instead, I got a very few 
of those. Most of the replies, were either concern or their own hardships as 
grad students. I am touched.  America never ceases to amaze. I now see America 
in a totally different light. I thank the Americans for letting us get a good 
education in your country. And those of you who gave me a tounge - lashing, your 
point is well taken. My apologies to the european students too. I am glad I 
posted the article in the heat of the moment. I see things a lot differently. Looks 
like everybody is having their own problems.

					     Prabhu 

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: semenoff@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Semenoff)
Subject: The best degree ?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:30:25 GMT

I have one year left towards a computer engineering degree
(some EE courses,some CPSC courses), and I'm taking a year
off before I start my last year in september.
I just found out that tuition for the engineering faculty will nearly
double next year !
An alternative for me is to transfer to the computer science
department and finish off a degree there (where tuition is not going
up nearly as much).
Another advantage is that I'll have a much lower course load
in computer science.

Can anyone out there offer any opinions as to which degree would
be more attractive to potential employers ?
I have the impression that as long as you have some sort of degree
(computer related of course), decent marks, and some good experience,
you're ok.

Should I bust my butt and spend the extra cash for a computer
engineering degree ?

Thanks in advance
-Rob
--
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Ack --- I'm graduating in less than 5 months!!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 06:44:43 GMT

bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi) writes:

>	What I'm asking is what I should do.  My general strategy is
>to post to m.j.r (once? every month? week?), respond to advert's on
>m.j.o (always through the proper channels -- no unwanted e-mail from
>me, I'll blow the .29c) and use the campus recruiters.  Is that
>thorough enough?  Seeing as I pretty desparately want to leave
>Michigan, should I dig up copies of the San Francisco Chronicle?  The
>Austin paper?  Seattle Times?  

One thing you might consider is to get a copy of "What Color is Your
Parachute?" by Richard Bolles.  It's widely regarded as the best and most
thorough book on job hunting and career changing and it has oodles of
reference information.  It might give you some additional ideas anyway.

-- 
*davE*   Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
########## David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
Your shame is neverending. Just one psychological drama after another.-Erasure
From: jon@netcom.com (John L Davis)
Subject: Re: Inappropriate responses to job posting
Summary: My Goodness, Mrs Anna! re The King and I.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:01:49 GMT

In article <BzH0z0.1op@tss.com>, burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:
> I'd like to make a simple observation regarding some responses I have 
> received to a job posting I made a while back.  I indicated that my company
> desires to hire a senior technical writer, and I gave a fair description
> of the background the person should have.  I also indicated that resumes
> could be sent to me, or to our HR person.  I received resumes from
> students who anticipate graduating soon and were seeking positions as
> software engineers, a resume from a non-US resident who asked if my company
> would like to sponsor him for a work visa (he was a software engineer),
> and various other responses.  
> 
> I don't know about other managers, but I don't like receiving this kind
> of reply.  It leaves me with a less-than-favorable impression of the 
> person.  If someone wants to inquire about other possible openings, then
> it's appropriate to drop someone a quick e-mail inquiring about other
> positions.  But it reflects poorly on a person to say "I am writing in 
> response to your recent job
> posting" when you have absolutely no qualifications that make you 
> appropriate for the position mentioned.
> 
> I just wanted to mention this to others who blindly reply to any and 
> all job postings.  You would probably do better to send an informal 
> query about other positions rather than sending your resume for a 
> position you are not qualified for.
> 
> -- 
> ***********************************************************************
>  Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
>  Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
>  phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke

You sound like the celebrated Swede, "I vant to be left alone!"
These people are vibrant, excited people who you should encourage even at the cost of a few moments of your "valuable time"!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: nguyenth@amertume.ibp.fr (Thao Nguyen)
Subject: How 2 write a cv?
Organization: Universite PARIS 7 - UFR d'Informatique
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:29:57 GMT

Hi netters,

It's may be a silly question to you all, but after all the discussion about
what one should put or not on a cv, can anyone give an example of a
cv that we can all discuss about and perhaps improve?
If anyone's interested I can give a french cv example.

Cheers,

-- 
Thao
Believe it or not but I have no e-mail address!
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