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From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Subject: Readjusting to Daycare
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:19:10 GMT


I need help again,

My son spent 11 days with me and my husband over the holidays.(ie. he did not
have to go to daycare).  He became very accustomed to us.  He loves his daycare
provider and her kids but he is not readjusting very well.  Pre-holidays he
was his normal 14 month old self, running everywhere, into everything, laughing
at anything.  Now if my provider did put him in the play room and left him
he would spend the entire day there and never leave the room.  Mind you that
this is a child who is addicted to taking everything out of every cabinet he
can reach, and my provider has three that the children are allowed to play in.
When she is playing with the kids (she has 2 of her own and mine) he will stand
off and watch but will not join in.  If she is tickling someone, Philip will
laugh but the minute she tries to tickle him he cries.  Leaving him in the 
morning has gotten harder. I now literaly have to peel him off of me to leave.
I have tried staying for awhile to let him get used to the place, but that does
not seem to help ( it is not possible for my husband to drop him off).  The
provider tells me he stops screaming within minutes of the time I leave, but he
just is not his normal happy go lucky don't tie me down little guy he normally
is there.  At home he is great with us.  I am at a loss of what to do.

Thanks in advance
Nanette
salvaggi@alnitak.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:31:53 GMT

In article <1i9mb2INNgq6@transfer.stratus.com> pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland) writes:

...

>
>Our policy on this one was, third time the meal was over.  As far
>as I can recall, it went something like this.
>
>(first time) No throwing food.
>
>(second time). No ... Warn them that next time meal is over.
>
>(Third time).  Meal over, remove child from Highchair.
>
>
>>What is most frustrating is that I do not want to slap them.  I want
>>there to be a way to discipline my children without hitting, but I'm not
>>sure what else to do.  I can see when they're a little older I can use
>>"time-outs" and simple cause-and-effect, but what to do with 17 month
>>olds?
>We used "time outs" at this age, too.  Also, distraction, removing
>them from the situation, or avoiding the situation altogether (see
>above).
>
>
>Peggy

So, you trained you child to throw food three times to end
the meal & get out of the highchair? Personally, I would have
tried to teach them (at around 15 months) to ask. :)  :)

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:22:07 GMT

In article <1if9knINNg4e@early-bird.think.com> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.182220.28511@ttinews.tti.com> reid@tti.com (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!) writes:
>>This kind of thing will happen
>>anywhere that people surrender too much of their freedom to the
>>government in exchange for some putative collective benefit.  It's the
>>nature of government.  It's happening here in the US, and still we have
>>people (right here on the net, in fact) who advocate MORE government
>>intervention in the parenting of children.

>Reid, since you've been reading misc.kids for more than five minutes
>surely you've noticed that we have *every* kind of people here. Your
>remark shows the same kind of let's-all-think-alike-now that you rail
>against when the writer disagrees with you. 

I'm really at a loss as to what you're talking about here.  Obviously
we have lots of different people on misc.kids.  Where did I say
otherwise, or suggest that this was bad?  I was simply expressing my
opinion that people who want more government intervention in families
are making a big mistake, one with potentially grave consequences for
parents and children.  It's something I feel strongly about.  If you
want to post a contrary opinion, go right ahead.  I just don't see
what your objection is.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: albert@endor.uucp (David Albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:15:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1993Jan5.001516.11214
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>I'm really interested in alternatives to spanking when dealing with
>children ... 17 months old...

>I "spanked" them for the first time (slapped their hands) when, after
>hours of "no touch!" from me concerning the Christmas tree lights, I came
>into the room and found them playing with the lights AND my son had them
>wrapped around his neck!  

For something like this, I think it might be too much to expect from
a 17 month old that they will ignore pretty objects like Christmas
lights; and so the objects just have to be kept away from them.  Some
children of this age will not really remember, or at least apply to the
current situation, a "no" from more than a minute earlier.

>Another problem has been feeding time.  They've gotten into very
>purposefully throwing their food on the floor.  We say "no!" loud, louder
>and even louder...

What we did for this when my sister was very little was simply to say,
"Oh, I guess you're done", after the first "if you're still eating, keep
the food on your tray please".  And then remove her from the high chair.
If she got really upset, we'd put her back again, but we wouldn't let her
stay in the chair while throwing food.  I can't say for sure that this
"worked", though, except in the sense that she couldn't throw food while
she wasn't in the high chair :).  That is, she'd do it again next time,
until she grew out of it.  I think it's just a phase you have to expect.
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From: parnes@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Sheldon Parnes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: PC educational programs and games: titles and sources needed
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:46:17 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Dave Bakken (bakken@cs.arizona.edu) wrote:

: I've seen or heard about the following programs (titles from memory):

: 	- Playroom (has games to develop reasoning skills)
Playroom has a nice collection of games but a keydisk system for preschoolers
is a really dumb idea.  My three year liked this game but the disk is gone and
so is the game.

: 	- Rabbit Math
haven't seen it
:	- Reader Rabbit I
Probably the most helpful game in terms of teaching reading but actually not a lot of fun.  It gets no play currently.  My daughter may be too young but could
play roughly half the games.

: 	- Bearanstain Bears do Counting (she *loves* their books)
don't know anything about this

: 	- Kiddesk (locks kids out of parts of the file system)
for $20 bucks at Egghead, this is probably worth getting.  I certainly feel
more comfortable with it running.  Probably better for older kids (5 or 6), I
suspect most kids will eventually figure out how to escape to the adult sectionsthe program looks good but does seem to have some stability problems.

: 	- Kidpix (kid painting program)
don't know

: Can anyone comment on how good these are, or reccommend similar
: ones?   Also, if you've bought them, what is a decent price?
Snoopy's Game Club is a very nice game (Sam's Club ($28.00)

Learn the Alphabet by Topclass ($11.oo) EB and CompUSA better for younger
children then Reader Rabbit, maybe better and a lot cheaper.

Memory Games by Top Class ($11.00) EB and CompUSA a bunch of memory games
like concentration, etc.  simple and fun.


: Thanks a lot!  I've tried to do a lot of homework, but there
: is so much out there, perhaps much of it garbage.
: --
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: The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
From: peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: federal record service corp
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:08:02 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <u7bhi5s@zola.esd.sgi.com> gboja@romenda.esd.sgi.com (Glenda Ramil) writes:
>hi all,
>
>Has anyone heard or dealt with "Federal Record Service Corp"?
>I thought I read some discussions about them a while back but
>I'm not sure.  The reason I am asking is that I recieved something
>from them through the mail.  It is basically an application for
>my baby's SSN (ie.  they will process the paperwork for you for
>a $15.00 fee).  I'm wondering if they're legit.
>
>thanks for any info.
>
>-- 
>
>**************************************************************************
>
>Glenda Boja Ramil			"No one can make you feel inferior
>gboja@esd.sgi.com			 without your consent"


Rip-off alert!!!  They are offering to charge you for a free service that
you can do yourself in about 10 seconds.  Lots of companies like this around,
they offer to save you the 'hassle' of filling out 'all the paperwork' for
a modest fee.  What they don't bother to tell you is that 'the paperwork'
is readily available and consists of one sheet with about three lines to fill
in (name, date of birth, signature of parent).

Don't get suckered!

-Jeff

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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Turning a breech baby
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan5.181935.4131@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day) writes...
> 
> 
>So I tried this last week, and I think it worked, but not right away.
>I did it during the evening, and then went to bed soon afterwards with
>the baby still breech.  I woke up during the night because I was
>feeling strong kicks at the top of my uterus instead of at the bottom.
>It really was too early in the pregnancy for me to try this exercise,
>though.  During the last week, the baby has moved into lots of
>different positions - back to breech, back to head-down, transverse in
>various orientations.  Who knows what he'll decide on at the end.
>But this is better than before the exercise, when he seemed to have
>firmly decided on the breech position.
> 

I'm 25 weeks and have always felt kicking at the bottom of my 
uterus, below the belly-button, never at the top.  Is this 
unusual?  I also have an anterior placenta (attached to the front 
of the uterus not the back) and was told that it would not be 
possible to turn the baby with this type of placenta.  The 
possibility of the baby being breech has always been in the back 
of my mind.  Any thoughts?

- Peggy -
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Request for Toilet training FAQ
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:58:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: Joanne Petersen is on maternity leave

In article <1993Jan7.125956.20679@nlm.nih.gov> suresh@nls2.nlm.nih.gov (Suresh Srinivasan) writes:
>
>Could someone please mail me a copy of the
>toilet training FAQ.  The keeper of this FAQ
>(joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) does not respond.
>Perhaps she's on vacation.  Thanks in advance.


I'm going to jump in here to save Joanne some work.  Joanne is
currently on maternity leave and thus does not read her mail very
often these days.  She does, however, send out the FAQ file to all
who request it when she does get around to reading mail.  So, please
be patient--I think we can all agree that spending time with her
newborn baby should have a higher priority than sending out an FAQ
file?

-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:06:19 GMT

In article <1iknn9INN6p4@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>>Laura Floom writes:
>>>It really is a tough issue. Just 3 years ago, when Jeffrey was born, it was
>>>so ingrained in us all to put the babies on their tummys (if the side didnt
>>>work), and now they have changed it. I think I will try putting Emma (due in
>>>2 months) on her back, but it will seem so odd. 
>
>(Hi Laura!)  Every time I hear about this question, I have the same
>thought:  how many babies out there will even sleep on their backs?
>My first two would _not_ settled down unless they were on their
>stomachs, and still won't sleep on their backs.  My third was the
>only one who ever slept on his back (and does now), and even he 
>slept better initially on his stomach. 

The best thing about having twins is realizing the differences between
them and knowing it has nothing to do with you as a parent (therefore
saving valuable money on shrinks during the teenage years).  One
of my babies won't sleep anyways but on her back (even the side won't
do) and the other one will only sleep on his stomach.  Go figure!

Marjorie
mum to Gemma and Graham, 4.5 months and getting huge!

>
>Being asleep on one's back is a vulnerable position; presumably
>evolutionary forces would have worked to weed out that preference.
>
>Sue  
>
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:39:26 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>It really is a tough issue. Just 3 years ago, when Jeffrey was born, it was
>so ingrained in us all to put the babies on their tummys (if the side didnt
>work), and now they have changed it. I think I will try putting Emma (due in
>2 months) on her back, but it will seem so odd. Another thing I wonder about
>it the startle mechanism that is instinctive in most babies. Isnt that supposed
>to be worse when they areon their backs? Wont it interfere with thier sleep?
>Jeffrey did it alot when he was being held. (for those that dont know what I
>am talking about, young infants will be lying there relaxed, possibly sleeping,
>and all of a sudden they will jerk, as if startled.)

When Brad was born, the standard was to put babies on their tummies
if the side didn't work.  Carrie was born about 3 weeks after the AMA(?)
or whoever it was in the US announced that babies should be put on the
backs if the side didn't work.  In the hospital, John had laid her on
her back in the bassinet.  He was roundly scolded by the nurse!

When we got home, for the first few weeks while she still liked being
swaddled to sleep, I could prop her on her side to sleep and she would
stay there.  Even then, her pacifier would fall out and she would wake
crying.  Once she wouldn't put up with being swaddled and on her side,
I tried putting her on her back.  It took HOURS to get her to sleep,
and she never napped well, because she kept startling herself awake.
In desparation, I put her on her tummy.  Voila - she started sleeping
through the night within a few days.  She no langer started herself
awake, and her pacifier would stay in her mouth better.

(No flames about the pacifier please.  We

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Re: Diaper question.
Keywords: Huggies, Ultratrim
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:23:14 GMT

In article <1i8q13INNdi3@gap.caltech.edu> prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott) writes:
>Folks:
>	Has anybody experimented with the Ultratrim variety of Huggies
>or any other brand of diapers?  They are much more compact than the
>regular diapers, but I am wondering if that is at the expense of their
>absorbence.  Has any body tried it out?  Thanks,
>
>Prabhu
>-- 

Yes, I have tried them.  The good news is that they make you feel a
little bit less guilty about using disposable diapers since they seem
to have about half the bulk of a regular diaper.  The bad news is that
they are less absorbent--I've had more leaks with them.  So I use them
during the day when I know I'll be able to change them
frequently--which sort of negates the reason for using them in the
first place.  Oh, well!

June
-- 
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feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Home Diaper washing question
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:56:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.053209.10284@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

[problems with washing machine deleted]
>
>My question:  How much do other home-diaper launders use in the way
>of bleach?  Also, are there other alternatives to using bleach?  Has
>anyone else found this problem?

Bleach really isnt necessary. It keeps the diapers white, but who cares.
Actually, I do bleach about once a month, and then I use about 1/2 cup. Bleach
is pretty powerful stuff, and I woudnt pour it in without measuring. I also
put it into that special little cup. You wouldnt want to pour bleach directly
onto the dipes.

Another alternative is to hang them on the line. It should whiten them. I 
dont actually do this, but I do it for the diaper covers that have poopy
stains, and after 2-3 hours they are as white as new.

I have been doing diapers for 2 years, 10 months (with ~3 years left to go).
I used one washing machine for 2.5 years and had no problems, when I moved,
I left it behind for the next resident (my mom) who has no complaints. 

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Earrings (WAS: Re: A few facts about circumcision)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:08:24 EST

In article <1993Jan05.155835.58280@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob
Strom) writes:

   > But clip-on versions of such ear-rings are also offered for
   > sale, so even that rationale seems not to exist.  As far as I
   > can tell, it's a tribal identification ritual not essentially
   > different from our (Jewish) one.

Well...as one whose mother and sister are pierced, and whose wife isn't, I
can tell you that the default mode for earrings is pierced.  Every now and
then you might be able to find clip ons in the same style as that nice
pierced pair you saw in the store, but it's not really likely.

Basically, if you want any kind of a choice in earrings, you've gotta go for
pierced.  For some reason, clip ons, in earrings and in ties, just don't
give you the wide choice that "the real things" do.

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*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: galster@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight Galster)
Subject: Re: breast feeding
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:18:36 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

By all means breast-feed for as long as you can.  I think there is quite
a difference in the health of children who are breast fed at least for
a while vs. not at all.  Breast fed babies resist ear infections and many
other childhood ailments much better.  Ancedotal evidence in my own family
bears this out.  My first two were breastfed for about a year.  They had
almost no problems with ear infections and colds.  When my third was born,
my wife was already affected by her brain tumor; she didn't get her milk
until two or three days after the birth and then there wasn't very much.
So my third daughter, now almost two, was bottle fed and has had many
troubles with ear infections and colds.  By the way, I have found that 
daily doses of vitamin C do make a difference.

Any women out there like to become mother to three beautiful girls?

Dwight

From: fristrup@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jenny Fristrup)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:06:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Home Diaper washing question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

    My son's babysitter, our neighbor, is very environmentally
    aware.  She uses cloth on her youngest and her diapers are
    always quite white.  She uses Borax.  It changes the ph of
    the water and the diapers get really clean.  She uses it as
    a supplement for her regular detergent (Arm and Hammer Ultra
    Fresh).  She does laundry the old fashioned way (separating
    colors and using hot water).  Okay...the non-lazy person's
    way!  It works well.  It even works if you do laundry like
    I do (I don't know about diapers in warm water though).

    Jenny Fristrup
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Predict your next child`s sex
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:46:08 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Distribution: na
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, Gary Stringfellow writes:
  (method for "choosing" sex of child deleted)
>
>You can choose for yourself whether you want a boy or a girl by following the
>chart. The woman's age from 18 to 45 (Chinese reckoning) is on the top line
				       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What the heck is age by Chinese reckoning?

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:15:33 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: charon.think.com

In article <1993Jan8.195627.24557@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>The children, in their foster homes, are claiming that they
>were often disciplined with belts and  other "weapons" and were
>confined to their rooms with ropes and rocks.  (?)

In the Boston Globe, this was reported as "ropes and *locks*."

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