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From: aej@manyjars.WPI.EDU (Allan E Johannesen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 3 Oct 92 12:38:17
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Oct3.124935.19939@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: manyjars.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk's message of Sat, 3 Oct 1992 12:49:35 GMT


To: abaqus@guinnett.com postmaster@emory.mathcs.emory.edu postmaster@hubcap.clemson.edu
Subject: Unsolicited Advertisement

Some may disagree, but I believe that mailing unsolicited advertisements is not
acceptable use for the Internet.  As of yesterday, six individuals at WPI had
received the advertisement for "Abacus Global Support".  The individual mail
messages (apparently the vendor didn't understand SMTP bulk delivery of their
junk mail) were routed via Emory and arrived from approximately 13:48 through
15:17.

Observing the postings in news.admin.misc this morning, I find that others
suffered similar distributions.

Although Emory and Clemson may consider their serving mail and addresses for
this business is some sort of public service (or is it done for a fee?), I
think those universities should rethink their association with an organization
which appears to have unethical business practices.

Part of the header of one of the messages:

> From abacus@gwinnett.COM Fri Oct  2 13:48:40 1992
> Message-Id: <m0maqZ6-00014rC@gwinnett.Gwinnett.COM>
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 13:13 EDT
> From: abacus@gwinnett.COM (Abacus Global Support)
> To: global.list@Gwinnett.COM
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From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:23:40 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <AEJ.92Oct3123817@manyjars.WPI.EDU> aej@manyjars.WPI.EDU (Allan E Johannesen) writes:
>To: abaqus@guinnett.com postmaster@emory.mathcs.emory.edu postmaster@hubcap.clemson.edu
>Subject: Unsolicited Advertisement
>
>Some may disagree, but I believe that mailing unsolicited advertisements is not
>acceptable use for the Internet.

Bear in mind that it's not just the Internet, but _every_ network
needed to reach anyone on Global's mailing list, not to mention
resources consumed at mail switches/gateways, end systems etc. some
of which may have prohibitions on commercial traffic that are
stronger than those of the US Internet.

I'm sure that if commercial junk mail was distributed throughout US
academic networks from an address in another country, the US would
expect that country to take strong action. There was a recent case
where an advertisement was submitted to some BITNET lists via a
Brazilian university; an apology followed shortly from the university,
and added that the person's network access had since been revoked.

This is of course much worse, as it is an independent list, compiled
by goodness knows what means. Have these people got my phone number
and address (from my .sig) on file too?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: eda803z@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Duc M. Ngo)
Subject: What is the hostname of Lomonosov University in Moscow - Russia?
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:37:30 GMT

Hi y'all,

Does anyone know the hostname(s) of Lomonosov Uni in Moscow?
Please email me.  Thanks a lot.

Duc
From: RROXBY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Roxby)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Help: How to send files?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:38:20 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I have been trying to send a file that was generated on a
wordprocessor over internet.  I have been able to upload it
as a binary file using kermit and send it to myself (at another
address) and download it as a binary file without problem.
When I try to send it to someone else, it gets messed up.
Can anybody tell me how to do this, or where to read up on it?
Or do I have to buy a Mac?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 12:49:35 GMT


I got this mail, and I'm in the UK.  I don't know about casper@nl, but
over here, it traversed a network that's for non-commercial use only.
This is simply unacceptable.

I notice the following things:

a) the To: field is global.list@gwinnett.com - clearly it is 'gwinnett'
   (a private network provider?) who maintain this mailing list
b) 'global.gwinnett.com' and 'gwinnett.com' are not listed in the DNS
   as machine names, but both of them have MX records for
   'emory.mathcs.emory.edu' and 'hubcap.clemson.edu'. Maybe someone
   ought to talk to these universities.
From: 89500831@vax1.dcu.ie (Ronnie Albuquerque)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Commercial E-mail Addresses
Date: 26 Sep 1992 10:14:59 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      Hi all,

      I'm looking for a list of Commercial e-mail addresses.

      Does anyone out there know if such a list is archived anywhere?

      Failing that, how would Igo about getting such information?

      Any comments/suggestions/advice would be much appreciated.

      Please e-mail replies, as this posting is being gatewayed to the
      Usenet.

      Thanks.
--
Ronnie Albuquerque.
                          Internet :89500831@dcu.ie,cc445@cleveland.freenet.edu
                          UUCP     : dcu.ie!89500831@uunet.UUCP
                          Bitnet   : cc445%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm.bitnet

"Always look on the bright side of life..." - Monty Python.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: 35007_321@uwovax.uwo.ca (Gord Nickerson)
Subject: EUDORA manual in .ps format???
Organization: SLIS
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:52:30 GMT

Does anyone know of a postscript manual for EUDORA avail for anon ftp?
I haeard of one but lost the ref and a search of archie turned up lots
of sites but no indication of a .ps manual

plese send by email as i do not read this group regulaly
thnkas
g
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:33:27 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Oct6.132642.12355@Gwinnett.COM> todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese) writes:
>The bombing run was much more distructive than orginal mail.  Five Meg.
>more distructive.

As it should be. Any retaliation should achieve several goals:

a. make sure the incident (mistake :-)) does not happen again from the 
   original site

b. make sure that others are discouraged again from trying the same
   thing

Spiros


-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: georgi@noc.belwue.de (Juergen Georgi)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: UNIX POP3 client ?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 15:44:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, University of Stuttgart
Distribution: world
Reply-To: georgi@BelWue.DE
NNTP-Posting-Host: noc.belwue.de

Does anybody know if there is a POP3 client for *UNIX* boxes
available?

Thanks
-- 
Juergen Georgi                                 georgi@BelWue.DE
Computer Center, University of Stuttgart, FRG, +49 711 685-5739
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 08:40:13 GMT
Keywords: question legal use email

Talk about over-reaction.  I am quite certain that the number of
annoyed replies and bad publicity they got will be more than enough
to educate and punish them for sending this mail.

Fact is that most people would have already known it would attain this
negative result, so it really doesn't matter what sort of punishment
is meted out.  Only people unaware of the punishment would do such
a blind mailing, so deterrent is not possible.

Myself, I am 100% in favour of electronic junk mail replacing the
vast gobs of dead trees that land in my physical mailbox every day.
Once we lay down the patterns so that proper headers are placed on
the junk mail, then it's far better.  My computer can screen my junk
mail before I see it, something that doesn't happen on paper.  For
more details on this argument, please see comp.org.eff.talk where I
posted before this thread began here.

And calm down on this one.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
From: myhre@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Myhre)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Looking for ListServ
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:16:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20799
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


  HI.  I am looking for some type of script/program/etc that I can set up
in my home directory without needing to bother the sysadmin that will
allow me to create my own mailing list.  Any examples along this line will
also be acceptable... I can create my own from those examples.  Please 
email with any info.

Thanks for your time.

Robert Myhre
Computer Engineer in Training... and Training... and Training
North Dakota State University
myhre@plains.nodak.edu   (Internet)     
myhre@plains             (Bitnet)      
uunet!plains!myhre       (UUCP)
From: slh1y@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Help with NFS mail please
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:11:11 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Could someone knowledgeable in NFS help me out please?

I am neither a network administrator nor a Unix guru.  I recently began
working in a new facility and my email is slightly screwed up.  When I send
email, the header actually contains my hostname and domain name (as it should).
When the recipient replies to the message, the mail bounces, since the
server here at my end, for whatever reason, does not recognize my host/domain.
The typical error message reads "Illegal host/domain name".

I've repeatedly asked for help from my network guy, but thus far he has been
unable to correct the problem.  I'd be happy to shift the discussion to 
private email or telephone if anyone would be willing to help.  I can send
a copy of our sendmail.cf file or whatever else may be of help in solving
the problem.  I'm running SunOS 4.1.1 on my SparcStation IPX host.
The server is a Silicon Graphics Iris Indigo.

If this is the wrong newsgroup, I'd appreciate a gentle prod in the right
direction.  Thanks.

REMEMBER:  Don't REPLY to this post.  Send email directly to
	jay@chaos.idec.sdl.usu.edu

Jay Cliburn
From: ahall@nmsu.edu (HALL)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Mail on a PC
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:54:22 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I appoligize if this is not the appropriate newsgroup.

Very soon my PC in my office will be connected on a University wide Ethernet
network.  Can I get a mail program that will read my mailbox on another machine?
For instance,  my mail is currentlyread by logging onto a VAX.  Can a mail pr
program on a PC get my mail without me having to log onto the VAX.  I prefer 
something that will run under Windows 3.1.  Thanks
A. Hall
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3224 comp.os.msdos.misc:5498 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:3546
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Externally linked PC mail systems
From: mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mark Davies)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:34:38 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

Hi,

I need to set up an email system between 4 geographically seperated lans of
mostly PC's.  For the long haul communication between each site I was
planning on using rfc822 style mail between a unix box at each site
(transfered over either dialup IP or UUCP).  This should allow the eventual
linking of this group of sites with the outside world without major
problems and handles the immediate cross site communication problems.

What I need now is an email system for the PC's at each site that will
interwork with this rfc822 backbone as well as the constraints of existing
setup.  One of the lan's is running novell, another is running lantastic.
The other two have yet to be set up but will probably run novell.

Some of the requirements I see for this system:
	Runs on DOS and Windows
	"good" user interface.
	gateway to smtp mail (or is a pop/imap client)
	dosn't need to pre-know about everyone in the world
	able to easily incorporate and transfer documents from
		popular dos spreadsheets/word processors etc.

There is also the odd macintosh floating around these networks so it 
would be nice to be able to incorporate them.

If you have any suggestions for possible products (either commercial or
free) that could be useful for this I'd like to know.  Also if you have any
war stories about trying to do something similar I'd like to hear those as
well.

I'll summarise to the net if there is interest.

cheers
mark
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Compuserve TO internet
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:25:58 GMT
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One

In article <92267.135454ARFLESZA@MTUS5.BITNET> ARFLESZA@MTUS5.BITNET writes:
=Hi.  I know this must be a routine question, but does anyone who uses
=compuserver know how to mail to internet?
=I know how to mail to compuserve.com, but my friend on compuserve is
=just learning to use computers and can't figure out how to mail to me.
=Compuserver won't take my internet address as a valid destination.

It will if it's prefaced by
	>internet:
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: startrek@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Breckenridge)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:46:20 GMT

casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:

>cro@socrates.ed.asu.edu (C. R. Oldham) writes:

>>I received an unsolicited email message from abacus@global.gwinnet.com
>>today.  It was blatantly advertising the services of Abacus Global
>>Support, Inc.  I thought this kind of thing was illegal--or at least
>>not within the spirit of the Internet!

>Same problem here. There are no written rules concerning Usenet,
>the unwritten rule is that no advertisemnts are sent. I suspect
>that these idiots have gathered addresses from Usenet postings,
>which is very simple, and have send e-mail to a selection of them.

>I've already sent them a note telling me that they pissed me off
>and that I will never give any business to them.

That's your option.

>I'm not too familiar with US law concerning the gathering of
>addresses, but it is illegal to have such a database in my country.
>(I mean, you can have any database you want, but you must register
>that fact and than there are some rules about having to
>consent to being in the database, government exempted as always).

That's pretty amazing...what restriction on one's ability to gather and store information...especially since you say your government is allowed to.

>If a large number of people has received this shit, we'd better
>take a firm stance and flame these people (out of business,
>if need be).

Fine. Let's really narrow the bandwidth and dump half the "alt." hierarchy at the same time.

Actually, I'm just being facetious...I think you've really overblown the Abacus deal...remember, if you don't like a message, you can always - and easily - DELETE it! ;^>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: HELP: E-mail address,  California Uni.
From: bishopg@lincoln.ac.nz
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:25:30 +1200

Can you plaese help me with the E-mail address for the postmaster at the
following American University.

California State University
Long Beach
Los Angeles
California

Thanks in advance

Greg

BISHOPG@LINCOLN.AC.NZ
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From: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:42:41 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <1992Oct5.164522.21068@netcom.com> wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner) writes:

>crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>>I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...

>Imminent death of net predicted!

Come on - its the UK:-
	Imminent death of small net backwater predicted!

[it just don't have the same ring!]

	Nigel.

-- 
#   Nigel Metheringham  -- (NeXT) EMail: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk    #
#   System Administrator, Electronics Dept, University of York    #
#   York YO1 5DD. Phone: +44 904 432374, Fax: +44 904 432335      #
From: agnel@iti.gov.sg (Agnel Rajendran (AIM))
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: PC mail software wanted
Keywords: pc windows
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:26:42 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.


Hi everybody,

Could any of you please inform me if there is any window based
mail software on PC and the source where it can be obtained (
either public sites or commercial software) ? I thank in
advance.

ps: I plead ignorance of PC based mail software

Agnel
agnel@iti.gov.sg
From: wert@yorktown.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Jerry Van Wert)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Milnet/Internet gateway
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:00:23 GMT
Distribution: usa



    A former colleague of mine is working at a site that has
email access to Milnet, but thanks to typically shortsighted
military bureaucratic paranoia, has no access to the Internet at
large. Apparently, though, he can be reached from other
domains. Are there any sites that will do Milnet-to-Internet mail
relays? Thanks.


Jerry Van Wert
wert@itd.nrl.navy.mil
From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Ema
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:13:07 GMT
Reply-To: cptully@med.unc.edu
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

In article 718217180@milton, startrek@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Breckenridge) >
>Actually, I'm just being facetious...I think you've really overblown the Abacus deal...remember, if you don't like a message, you can always - and easily - DELETE it! ;^>

The objection is not to the message itself, but to the presedent that
it sets, and to the waste of resources that it entails.

BTW, I sent a reply (using my mailers reply function) to that message
telling them what I thought of their business practices, right after
getting it, and as of 12:00 est on Tues I've gotten no reply to my
comments (nor have I gotten an undiliverable message from somebody's
mailer-deamon).


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                     else agrees with them.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: mike@meiko.com (Mike Stok)
Subject: Re: Help: How to send files?
Organization: Meiko Scientific Corp.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:47:43 GMT

In article <92279.163820RROXBY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Robert Roxby <RROXBY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>I have been trying to send a file that was generated on a
>wordprocessor over internet.  I have been able to upload it
>as a binary file using kermit and send it to myself (at another
>address) and download it as a binary file without problem.
>When I try to send it to someone else, it gets messed up.
>Can anybody tell me how to do this, or where to read up on it?
>Or do I have to buy a Mac?

You can get a MIME compliant mailer which will handle "attaching"
arbitrary files to a mail message in such a way that the mail system
won't mangle them - you need a MIME compliant mailer at the other end
to retrieve the attachment.  I use Pine, which can be got from
ftp.cac.washington.edu.

Alternatively you can use programs like uuencode/uudecde of atob/btoa
which take (possibly) binary files and turn them into a (relatively)
safe ASCII format (i.e. short lines of printable characters) which can
be sent by mail and reconstituted at the other end.

Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: WP Office <-> SMTP? (or MHS <-> SMTP)
Keywords: mail WordPerfect Office SMTP MHS DOS UNIX Encore
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:25:46 GMT

In <1992Oct06.152037.15112@sidus.ocunix.on.ca> phill@sidus.ocunix.on.ca (Phil Linttell) writes:

>I'm looking for suggestions for gating WordPerfect Office (MS-DOS) mail to 
>Simple Mail Transport Protocol (SMTP) mail under UNIX.  Specifically, the 
>host system is an Encore system running an 88open BCS/OCS implementation of
>UNIX.  WordPerfect Office does not appear to be scheduled to move to 88open
>in the near future (currently on SPARC and SCO; RS6000 and HP700 under 
>development).

I am in the process of getting the WPO for Unix/Sparc working with our
DOS LAN in order to gateway to/from SMTP.  I think it will work, but
I haven't gotten everything configured just right yet.  The DOS SMTP
gateway is the best bet.  I don't know of any public domain or
cheap SMTP to MHS gateways.  There is something called xgate that
works with charon and is available from many ftp servers, but I
have no idea if it will work or not.   A lot of people use S-Bridge
for this purpose, but it costs $$$

Good luck

Will


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:10:47 GMT

i too got said e-mail.  i forwarded the message to the postmaster
accounts at all the machines through which the message had travelled,
informing them that the message violated NSF usage, with a copy to 
the sender.

lets see if this helps... should have respsonses by monday.
-- 
--- bob pasker
---- rbp@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc