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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Rumormongering
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:03:52 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Nov8.163336.8502@iscsvax.uni.edu> mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>        I heard a rumor that Eddings is planning a few more books related to
>the Mallorean and Belgarad series.  This was basically pub talk so I didn't
>take much notice.  But I would like to know if anyone has heard anything???  
>I do hope it is true.....
>                                                     Diana

I heard this a few years back.  It was in Waldenbooks' SF book
club newsletter, _Xignals_.  I'm not certain, but I believe that the
in the interview (this interview was printed for the promotion of
_Guardians_) Eddings stated that there would be two more books of
short stories related to the series.
--
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From: patricia@cs.utexas.edu (Patricia M. Burson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Size of the orb??
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:24:18 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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About the orb's size related to being on the sword, I seem to recall 
a scene where the orb automatically makes the sword wieldable. That is, 
Garion took the Orb off the sword and the sword went -thunk- as it was 
now too heavy to be lifted. Does anyone remember where that was? I seem 
to remember it had to do with reading prophecies, but in Drasnia or in 
Mallorea?

About the Orb being smooth and spherical, who has their books handy to 
read what Aldur did to it? The DelRey covers show it as a sphere, but 
how many illustrators actually read the books they're illustrating? [big :)]

Happy reading (or re-reading) :)
-patricia
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From: s1140056@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Jeffrey O. (*JEFF*))
Subject: Re: Why the Orb burns anybody at all?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:44:05 GMT

JDRUM00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:

>>1) I may be wrong but didn't it say that Garion's family could touch the orb.
>>   Well, why does the restriction apply to only the members of the family that
>>   are descentants of (what's his name, the guy that married Pol's sister)?
>>   Maybe the orb doesn't care if you are a descendant or an ancestor.....
>>   Remember, Pol and her father were of the line.
>>
>>   Of course, Pol wouldn't be in a direct line but close.
>>
>
>No, it's not 'Garion's family', per se, who can touch the Orb. It's the
>line of RIVA (who's the guy who married Beldaran, Polgara's sister).
>Polgara isn't related to Riva except by marriage; she is (or was) his
>sister-in-law. This doesn't mean that Belgarath or Polgara are related by
>blood to the line that can touch the Orb. Riva, just for reference, was
>the son of Cherek Bear-Shoulders, King of the Alorns...no relation at all
>to Belgarath or Polgara.
>
>Thought I'd clear that up, just for chuckles.
>
>=-=-> Jennifer Drummond
>      a.k.a. jdrum00@ricevm1.rice.edu
>      a.a.k.a. Jedra, PernMUSH
>               Jenner, TooMUSH
>

  Riva Iron-grip, one of the sons of Cherek Bear-Shoulders, King of the
  Alorns, married Beldaran, Polgara's sister and Belgarath's daughter.  This
  effectively makes Riva Belgarath's son-in-law and Polgara's brother-in-law.
  Belgarath and Polgara ARE related by blood to the line that can touch the Orb.
  Makes sense, doesn't it?

  Belgarath IS the Rivan King's (or Garion's) great-great-great...-great
  -grandfather, and Garion is Polgara's great-great-great...-great-nephew.
  Ce'Nedra is also Polgara's and Belgarath's great-great-...


  Am I missing anything?



  Cheers,
  Jeffrey Ong.
  * I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. *

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From: g92k4260@ru.ac.za (Bryan Kilian)
Subject: Re: Size of the orb??
Reply-To: g92k4260@alpha.ru.ac.za
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:40:11 GMT

Patricia M. Burson (patricia@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
> About the orb's size related to being on the sword, I seem to recall 
> a scene where the orb automatically makes the sword wieldable. That is, 
> Garion took the Orb off the sword and the sword went -thunk- as it was 
> now too heavy to be lifted. Does anyone remember where that was? I seem 
> to remember it had to do with reading prophecies, but in Drasnia or in 
> Mallorea?
It was at the site of the shrine to the mrin prophet, in the mrin marshes in
Drasnia. But I disagree about the orb being big. Garion could hold it in one
hand; and how many people do you know who would walk with something the size
of a bowling ball on a sword strapped to his back. It would look ridiculous.
And Eriond carried the Orb in a pouch at his belt too... and could hold it
in one hand. No all the evidence points to the Orb being a smallish stone. I
picture something about the size of a tennis ball. The Sardion on the other
hand... 

> About the Orb being smooth and spherical, who has their books handy to 
> read what Aldur did to it? The DelRey covers show it as a sphere, but 
> how many illustrators actually read the books they're illustrating? [big :)]
It was spherical and smooth if I remember correctly. I'll read up on it, but
I got the distinct impression of a round smooth stone. And that was long
before seeing the cover of "Guardians of the West". I back this up with
quotes as soon as I find them :-).

Off to do some quote hunting... 

--Bryan
 
Disclaimer: I didn't do it, you didn't see me do it, and you can't prove a
            thing.
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From: g92k4260@hippo.ru.ac.za (Bryan Kilian)
Subject: Re: Size of the orb??
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:42:32 GMT

mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu wrote:
:         Ummmm, consider that Errand kept it in a pouch at his waist (he was a
: smalllllll boy) and could remove and hold it in one hand makes it sound small
: to me.  I don't see him doing that with a bowling ball.  Of course that's just
: my opinion.
: 
: 
:         From the information I would estimate 2 to 4 inches across.  Maybe
: more.  The way eddings describes the orb I admit that you get an idea at
: different times about how large and how small it could be that conflict.
: 
:         Personnally, I think it was his description of the attributes of the
: Orb and its glowing that made it appear larger than life.
: 
Oh well.. I did some digging and I have a few quotes here that relate to the
size, shape, and colour of the orb.

In "Pawn of Prophecy", Prologue, (Page 1 in my book):

  "Now it happened that Aldur took up a stone in the shape 
  of a globe, no larger than the heart of a child"

In "Queen of Sorcery", Prologue, (Page 4)

  "the Rivan Warder unveiled his shield, in the centre of which stood 
  a round jewel, in size like the heart of a child."

In "Magician's Gambit", Chapter 10, (Page 115)

  "and he was working on a round, gray stone he'd picked up
   by the riverbank."

In "Magician's Gambit", Chapter 26, (Page 301)

  "He lifted a round, polished, gray stone out of the cask."


Now I haven't seen a child's heart up close.. But they say your heart is
about as big as your fist, and a child's fist isn't very big. :-)

If anyone can find any quotes that contradict these, Let me know :-)

--Bryan


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From: IO20444@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Judge)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Why the Orb burns anybody at all?
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:07:48 GMT
 <1992Nov6.164339.8482@iscsvax.uni.edu> <16899147C9.JDRUM00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Organization: University of Maine System

In a recent post, Jennifer Drummond said:

>No, it's not 'Garion's family', per se, who can touch the Orb. It's the
>line of RIVA (who's the guy who married Beldaran, Polgara's sister).
>Polgara isn't related to Riva except by marriage; she is (or was) his
>sister-in-law. This doesn't mean that Belgarath or Polgara are related by
>blood to the line that can touch the Orb. Riva, just for reference, was
>the son of Cherek Bear-Shoulders, King of the Alorns...no relation at all
>to Belgarath or Polgara.
>
>Thought I'd clear that up, just for chuckles.

But are we so sure that Polgara and Belgarath aren't related to Cherek?
There's a part in one of the books where Silk is trying to prove to
someone that Polgara is an Alorn, mentioning her resemblance to Velvet
(which puts in the Malloreon somewhere) and Beldaran's blond-ness.
If they're Alorns, might they not be related to Cherek somehow?

Then again, I could be crazy...

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From: p9b3@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Dan Fleet)
Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli
Keywords: Tamuli, Eddings
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:16:10 GMT

In article <9231100.2350@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:
>Anyone know when this will be released (worldwide and/or in Australia)?
>Chris.
>

Better yet, does anyone know when book ONE of the Tamuli is going to be
released in Canada?  All the bookstores around here say "The Sapphire Rose"
and "Losers" are the latest books out by Eddings...


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From: detchay@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (TONY CHAY)
Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:44:21 GMT


>In article <9231100.2350@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:

>   Anyone know when this will be released (worldwide and/or in Australia)?
>   Chris.

>Does anyone know what it's going to be called, or how many books there
>are going to be in the Tamuli ?

	HEY, WHAT IS THIS BOOK I HAVE NOT EVEN HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN 
MELBOURNE.  COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE ITS SET, WHAT ABOUT BASICALLY AND WHERE
YOU GOT IT FROM IN AUSTRALIA...

	T.C...
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From: s1140056@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Jeffrey O. (*JEFF*))
Subject: Re: Why the Orb burns anybody at all?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:12:51 GMT

st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) writes:

>I, myself, have often thought that Belgarath and Polgara are a little
>over-pompous. Polgara in particular, although I love her as a character, I
>think she'd be a pain in the ass as a fellow sorceress.
>Turning people into radishes is overrated. Trust me on this one.
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                 I hate it when people say that...:) :)
>
>Rosaleen Dhu
>"Beat the drum, hold the phone, the sun came up today..."--John Fogarty

I can only partially agree to that ... since I wouldn't use the word pompous.
Belgarath and Polgara are not ordinary folks, they are SORCERERS, people who
can move mountains, control the weather, fly faster than a speeding bullet...
eh, wrong newsgroup.  But underneath all that power and ability, they are
still humans, and can feel pain, sadness, joy, pride etc.

Put yourself in their shoes, being able to live longer than anyone else and
having more power than anyone can imagine...  I think that they are not
boastful or proud by nature, only when the occasion calls for it :).

Polgara (and Belgarath) had lived and cared for the Rivan family while they
were in hiding for thousands of years, trying to be inconspicuous (vaguely
remembering what she related to Garion when they quarrelled... sorry, but it
was a LONG time ago).  She apparently suffered (I can't think of a better word
yet) a lot with possibly only Belgarath knowing the full extent of what she went
through.

Pompous?  Maybe just a little... and I can't blame them.  Polgara never did (
as far as my memory still serves me) turn anyone into a radish.  Yet.  She
just turns irritating queens into snakes.

Oh, btw, I've a question for you Eddings' fans that has been bugging me for a
while now (about 3 years) : Is Poledra (Belgarath's wife) REALLY a wolf ?  I
know all about what the books said... but could it possible that she's lying ?
:):):):) (her little secret to get back at Belgarath for ignoring her for
thousands of years)  Just wondering!


Enough rambling for now...



Cheers!
Jeffrey Ong.
* I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. *





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From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: Robert Jordan newsgroup??
Originator: jagreath@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:02:06 GMT


In article <CARNEY.92Nov9090832@rocky.rational.com>,
carney@rocky.rational.com (Mike Carney) writes:
|>In article <BxBn7y.Es0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> reason@sage.cc.purdue.edu
|>(Jason E. Reasoner) writes:
|>>       Well, since there has been so much interest in a Hickman/Weis
|>newsgroup,
|>>    (A GREAT IDEA!!) I thought I would nominate another great fantasy
|>writer too.

|>Here here!! I'd love a group devoted to Robert Jordan.

This is a good idea.  Robert Jordan is writing an excellent series (The Wheel
of Time) and just came out with book 4, _The Shadow Rising_.  

|>>   While I'm at it I'll nominate Terry Brooks too...   I better quit
|>before I 
|>>   think of anymore.

Another good author might be Tad Williams....:)

|>Maybe not Terry Brooks though :-)

|>--
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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: alt.fan.fantasy.writers
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


	The subject header says it all. I see a massive need for a new
newsgroup. That'd take care of the Terry Brooks fans (bleh!), the Weis/Hickmanfans, the Robert Jordan fans (I loved "Eye of the World") and, my personal
nomination, the Mercedes Lackey fans. Does someone more computer-literate
than me--or who has more time--want to create a newsgroup for fantasy-novel
addicts?

Rosaleen Dhu |st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
VOTE CTHULHU '92!!! Why not the worst?
"By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes."--The Bard
"Don't reach out and touch the world, you don't know where it's been."
From: mmmchugh@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Why the Orb burns anybody at all?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:55:07 GMT
Organization: Trinity College Dublin

In article <92316.100748IO20444@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO20444@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Judge) writes:
> In a recent post, Jennifer Drummond said:
> 
>>No, it's not 'Garion's family', per se, who can touch the Orb. It's the
>>line of RIVA (who's the guy who married Beldaran, Polgara's sister).
>>Polgara isn't related to Riva except by marriage; she is (or was) his
>>sister-in-law. This doesn't mean that Belgarath or Polgara are related by
>>blood to the line that can touch the Orb. Riva, just for reference, was
>>the son of Cherek Bear-Shoulders, King of the Alorns...no relation at all
>>to Belgarath or Polgara.
>>
>>Thought I'd clear that up, just for chuckles.
> 
> But are we so sure that Polgara and Belgarath aren't related to Cherek?
> There's a part in one of the books where Silk is trying to prove to
> someone that Polgara is an Alorn, mentioning her resemblance to Velvet
> (which puts in the Malloreon somewhere) and Beldaran's blond-ness.
> If they're Alorns, might they not be related to Cherek somehow?
> 
> Then again, I could be crazy...
> 

Hi,

As a new member, I would like to add to this rather interesting discussion. 
I think the main reason that everyone gets burned by the orb is because Garion
has the mark of the Rivan line on his hand - you know, the silver mark that
covers most of his palm. 

But, if you are on good terms with the orb - and it has a rather childish
temper - you will be allowed to hold it - after all Brand of Riva carried it
into battle against Torak.  Also, anyone who is innocent in heart and soul, or
some other such nonsense, can hold it, ie Errand/Eriond

Just my 2 cents.

Noctua

MMMCHUGH@VAX1.TCD.IE
From: fj@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fiona Jamieson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:04:34 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <9231100.2350@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:

   Anyone know when this will be released (worldwide and/or in Australia)?
   Chris.

Does anyone know what it's going to be called, or how many books there
are going to be in the Tamuli ?

Fiona
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From: bmargoli@dante.nmsu.edu (MARGOLIS)
Subject: Re: Size of the orb??
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:55:22 GMT

I seem to remember a passage that quoted the orb as being "the
size of a child's heart."  I haven't read the Belgariad in a while
though, so I'm not completely sure about this.  Does anyone else 
remember the passage?

Bernie
bmargoli@nmsu.edu
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 23:21:03 MST
From: <AHSRB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Size of the orb??

I seem to recall one of the introduction chapters that explains the

background to the story say something like "and Aldur pick up a stone,

about the size of the heart of a child and spun it and breathed life into

it.."  Try looking in the intro chapters to see if I am right-

my books are 2200 miles away in Michigan, whilst I attend school

in Arizona..
From: mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Why the Orb burns anybody at all?
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:42:42 -0600
Summary: Brain damage
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

>    
> Thought I'd clear that up, just for chuckles.
>  

        Thanks for the clarification,  I went and left both series sets (and my
brain) in Southern Missouri before I came up here to Iowa.  My memory for names
is terrible eventhough I read both series upteen times.

        I admit I breazed right by the part about Belgarath and Polgara being
in-laws of Riva.  If they gave out handicaped stickers to people with mental
incapacities, I would have had one by now.  Of course, they've been members of
the family for so long that maybe the Orb also forgot about it?  
  
        Of course also consider the fact that as long as Belgarath has been
around, and as much playing around as he's allegidly(misspelled)(He was
constantly being accused of it) done its possible that most Alorns including
Riva could trace their ancestry back to him. 

        Got to go get ready for class. Later.....
        
                                                        Diana

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From: p9b3@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Dan Fleet)
Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:20:07 GMT

In article <1ds4ckINN9q7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> solaris@cats.ucsc.edu (Sheree Lynn Kibby) writes:
>I have heard from previous postings that the Tamuli will be out in January
>or February in the US, but I didn't get any clarification.  I also heard that
>there was only supposed to be 3 books to it, but that to in not clarified. 
>Anyone else heard the samething?

 The first book of the Tamuli, "Domes of Fire" is avaliable now in Canada.
(Actually, It became avaliable on the 7th of November, the day I bought it...)

There are going to be 3 books in the series, similar to the Elenium  
(Since 5 books per series makes for a long wait until the series ends,
I suppose).  

"Domes of Fire" is quite good, though it is obviously a series introduction.
(i.e. lots of emphasis on the developing mystery, not as much emphasis on
 characters)  Though, there are still quite a few classic Eddings moments...
 I liked it.

>
>Sheree Kibby	
>solaris@cats.UCSC.edu	

Dan Fleet
p9b3@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca
From: mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Why the Orb burns anybody at all?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:43:39 -0600
Summary: It's a touchy subject..
Reply-To: mcmurtrey
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1689613721.JDRUM00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>, JDRUM00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:
> Wait a second, guys...about Brand and the shield: there's always a
> Child of Light around when you need one. To my shame, I can't
> remember whether Poledra or Brand was the Child of Light at Vo
> Mimbre...I'm sure someone will correct me. ;) But do you really
> think the Orb would burn the Child of Light? Brand wore it on his
> shield instead of wielding the Sword of the Rivan King, but this
> was another one of those things that was Destined To Be. The Orb
>> Torak...the actual mechanism almost doesn't matter.
>  
> That doesn't mean I'm not as curious as the rest of you,
> of course. :)
>  

Hi, this is my first try so I hope I don't screew up the system.....

Speaking on the Sheild + Orb = Weapon and how did it get there?

1)  I may be wrong but didn't it say that Garion's family could touch the orb.
    Well, why does the restriction apply to only the members of the family that
    are descentants of (what's his name, the guy that married Pol's sister)?
    Maybe the orb doesn't care if you are a descendant or an ancestor.....
    Remember, Pol and her father were of the line. 
 
    Of course, Pol wouldn't be in a direct line but close.

2)  Let's say that Either Pol or Belgarath (did I spell that correct?) could
    handle the orb.  Do you know what the Kings would do to them if they knew
    about it.  They had enough problems with them interfering at the end of
    the first series and at the beginning of the second.  

    Add to that the fact that they had probably been told in the past that the 
    role of the "Chosen One" was not for them and you get two people who might
    do a few sly things on the side but who would not really own up to it.....
  

3)  Assuming they didn't want to give themselves away, they stuck the orb on a
    sheild.  They then gave the shield to Brand and told him to uncover it at
    the battle.  They probably knew how the Orb would respond to meeting its 
    old enemy.

4)  A question I wish to pose is this: Assuming that the orb would destroy
    anyone who held it.  Why would a shield provide any real protection....
    Just because you can't touch something with your skin doesn't mean you 
    can't steal it.  

    I ask you, what minor king or say Queen would like to have such a babble
    around to show off or hold for ransom.  

Gotta go now, I had fun reading the comments.  As to were to send replys, you
got me.  I've just began to figure this system out.


        Name: Diana McMurtrey, University of Northern Iowa
 



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