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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Clinton Gets Earful at Open House
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:37:31 GMT


Today's (1/22/93) New York Times reported on the 3,000
people who showed up at the White House yesterday to greet
the Clintons and Gores..

    "Mr. President, I wanted to tell you I was so excited
    when I received my call," said Chris Henry, who like
    most of the visitors sent postcards to Washington and
    were notified last week that they would get tickets to
    meet Mr. Clinton.  "And I wanted to call my parents.
    But they aren't talking to me for the last 11 years
    because I'm a lesbian.  I hope your Administration
    will change that."

A little further down the page...

    A gay man introduced his companion to the President as
    "my husband" (he greeted the man with a warm handshake).

    [...]

    The gay couple, Joshua Rodin and Dennis Layton of
    Washington, were so intent on capturing attention that
    they put out a press release with the title, "Clinton to
    host gay couple at the White House."

    "Clinton was not fazed at all," Mr. Rodin said afterward.
    "He was very warm and welcoming."  He said he gave the
    President a red AIDS ribbon, that he "didn't put it on
    but slipped it in his pocket."

And elsewhere...

    As the First Couple stood on an oriental rug, a Gilbert
    Stuart portrait of George Washington behind them and a
    log fire warming the oval room, they heard again and
    again about AIDS and gay rights, more than any other
    issues.
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:26:04 GMT

Maybe yes, maybe no.
But there are some markets where rich gay people are concentrated- certain urban neighborhoods,
certain magazine audiences, users of certain products, etc.- that can be targeted by people that
want to sell things.
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Good lord!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:07:37 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>% ls -l ~/Mail/received
>-rw-------  1 twpierce  1149090 Jan 26 02:32 /user1/twpierce/Mail/received

>And you thought you had problems, John?

Oh, so this is supposed to *mean* something to me? Geek supremacist!!!

John 'Gee, that *is* a big number, though...' Dorrance

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From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Forced Remedies
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:37:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan25.213739.28840
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <TIM.93Jan23074922@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
>The "no less unfair" idea, continues to be
>used to maintain the state of disadvantage.  Opponents of equal
>opportunity and equal rights use it, as well as "the pendulum's swung
>too far," "reverse discrimination," and "white rights" to hide behind
>their failure to get with the program of fairness and justice for all
>people, regardless of attribute X.  

One thing to remember, those who are disadvantaged are not in their state 
solely because of unfair discrimination, those who are advantaged are not in 
their state solely because they discriminate unfairly.

These are complex issues.
Reverse discrimination is very real, and as I have stated several times,
I do not believe that any form of quota based reverse discrimination type 
legal remedy to discrimination is proper. The fact that some small minded
individuals hold the same belief as a mask for their prejudices does
not invalidate my point. 

>If equal rights had been the situation for several hundred years, the
>"no less unfair" idea might have some merit.  Well they haven't been.
>Equal rights for all is a fairly new idea, and if past injustices
>aren't redressed, equal rights will never be achieved for any period of
>time.   

Equal rights can be achieved immediately by making indivisable civil
libertys the law of the land and backing them up with the force of law
when they are broken via force or fraud.

>A constructive idea might be to set some target dates for achievment
>of measureable goals, and the provision that if those goals are met,
>the affirmative action goes away; otherwise, it gets continued for
>another fixed period of time.  

I believe that shifting inequality from the previously disadvantaged
to the previously advantaged perpetuates inequality.
I don't see this as constructive.


LUX ./. owen
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[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:34:17 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <C18Eux.6Bq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> japg0962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Allen Phebus) writes:
>Personaly, I don't understand why the government doesn't revoke Fallwell and
>Robertson's tax exempt status.  Both are clearly engaged in non-religious
>politically partisan lobbying.  Somebody ought to do something...

Until "bill@oval.gov" works (don't try it, it doesn't work, and it
makes the NSA's internet monitor get paranoid, you can write President
Clinton at:

1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, DC  20500

or FAX 202-456-2883

Let Bill know what damage these folks are doing!

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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Unsafe/safe,Unsafer/safer,Unsafest/safest
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:51:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.145909.32289@rchland.ibm.com> dlopez@vnet.ibm.com writes:

>We could call the club 'Jojo International'.

It's *everywhere* you want to be.

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From: rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen)
Subject: Re: Clinton is President, Bush is not even history
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:36:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.204139.29513@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>In article <1jk2ceINNl9h@transfer.stratus.com> lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>>The inaugural speech was fine and short.  The poem by Maya Angelu was quite
>>moving.  But, my favorite part (after Al Gore's displacement
>>of Dan Quayle as VP) was the music played immediately before Bill Clinton
>>took the oath.  It was a traditional English march.  However, many baby
>>boomers instantly recognized the music as being the theme from
>>Monty Python's Flying Circus!!!
>
>Not an English march at all. The Monty Python theme song is John
>Philip Sousa's "Liberty Bell March", which is about as American as
>apple pie.
>
>Now, how many millions of Americans expected a giant foot to squash
>George Bush?

Or to hear Bill Clinton announce, in a John Cleese-esque voice,
"And now for something completely different"?

--Rich the Pythonophile
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 06:57:52 GMT


In article <1jrdj1INNe5a@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolphson) writes:

>I read these things and I wonder if I grew up on Mars.  Is
>being gay *such* a big deal?  I just can't believe it is.

I read these things and conclude you *did* grow up on Mars,
hon.  Ava rara that you are, it seems not to have been an
especially big deal for you.  But it is for most people.
Most people are miles from anyone or anything, both
literally and figuratively.

>It really isn't a big deal.  Oh sure, it seems like it's a
>huge thing, but who the fuck cares any more?

Well, the person who's asking for support in this instance
has told us he's living with two clearly homophobic
roommates who are already hassling him and he isn't even out
to them.  So I would say he cares, and maybe with good
reason.  I don't think you can in good conscience just advise
a stranger across the country to throw all caution to the
winds.  Doron has to live with the consequences of his
actions, and since we can't promise to be there for him when
the chips are down, I think he may know his local conditions
best.  Fortunately, better support than he's been having is
available in New Jersey, and I think he's starting to access
it.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: an265@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Cures from Clinton
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.motss
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:09:01 GMT


rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>>
>>Today's (1/22/93) New York Times reported on the 3,000
>>people who showed up at the White House yesterday to greet
>>the Clintons and Gores..
>>
>>    "Mr. President, I wanted to tell you I was so excited
>>    when I received my call," said Chris Henry, who like
>>    most of the visitors sent postcards to Washington and
>>    were notified last week that they would get tickets to
>>    meet Mr. Clinton.  "And I wanted to call my parents.
>>    But they aren't talking to me for the last 11 years
>>    because I'm a lesbian.  I hope your Administration
>>    will change that."
>
>I'm missing something. Does she expect Clinton to call her parents and
>talk to them? Maybe invite her parents to a party without telling them
>that Ms. Henry would be coming as well, and force a confrontation? If
>not, how does she expect a different president to change her parents's
>minds?
>
>He's just a president, people. He's not Zeus.

My, aren't we a teensy bit literal-minded?  Other readers,
I imagine, were easily able to fill in the blank, as in "I
hope your Administration will [foster a climate of tolerance,
respect, inclusion, understanding, healing and celebration of
our glorious diversity in America so that one day we can]
change that."

()()()()()()()

Or other readers, I imagine, were easily able to fill in the blank, 
as in "I hope your Administration will [devote enough funds to 
investigate what causes homosexuality and find a cure for it so
that one day we can] change that." 

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: VAX - The incredible Facts!
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:34:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan23.233445.10623
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan23.134332.27229@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>VAX means fitted carpets that stay brigher, softer, deeper, longer!

And remember,

Nothing sucks like a VAX.
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From: an2839@anon.penet.fi (Archer)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.motss
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:31:47 GMT

Note: I don't read MOTSS, but just in case you are following this
thread, I decided to keep the To: line intact.

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> While it's not as good as Coca-Cola Classic, it is much
> better than regular Pepsi -- it's not quite so *cloyingly*
> sweet, though it's a bit weak on flavor. I'm fond of C^3's
> almost-piney "bite."

But it doesn't have caffene!  The things that keep me going is sex,
hugs, sleep, and caffeene.  I should at least be getting one of the
four lately.  :(

> I wonder what they're planning on doing for CANS of the stuff,

They have.

-"Archer"

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From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:36:30 GMT
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: w6yx.stanford.edu

In article <93021.182625SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>So I started bringing a 40 oz thermos containing even thirds
>very strong iced coffe, grapefruit juice, and homemade unsweetened
>cranberry juice.  (something I originally concocted to threaten
>hungover housemates with and then discovered that I liked.)
>
>No one *ever* swiped any, oddly enough.
>
>Graydon
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ACK!!!! Thou art a sick individual.  I like your style.


***********************Blonde, Buxom, Bisexual, Badass Biker********************
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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Heterosexuality: What a beautiful choice!
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:53:00 GMT

In article <1jhtbrINNs3d@morrow.stanford.edu> BR.SJE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Steve Eastman) writes:
>A "Het: What a..." ad would be fine with me.  Remember: homosex is not a
>lifestyle choice, its an inborn attribute.  Friendly persuasion should
>have no more an effect than to instill guilt.  It won't make people "choose"
>het.  Right?

Right... but although the Arthur S. DeMoss Foundation (of St. Davids,
PA; 215-254-5500) says that the spots which address "major concerns
within our society" are NOT political, they openly admit that they
target the emotions of people so as to "change minds."  A changed mind
often equates to a changed vote.

So... let's say that an OCA initiative was on the ballot here in
Texas.  A few months before the election, the Arthur S. DeMoss
foundation started running those emotionally charged, mind-changing
commercials for which they are famous, but with the Heterosexual theme
of family and even with "converted" homosexuals giving witness.  Even
though the OCA iniative would be found blatently unconstitutional,
given the overwhelming evidence of gay and lesbian discrimination and
related hate crimes, the measure would probably be VERY tough to
defeat.

It is the American way that he who has the money gets his way... it
just ain't right with such a powerful tool as television and radio.
This issue REALLY needs to come before the FCC.  Regulation of
mind-changing programming is a necessity as long as foundations like
the Arthur S. DeMoss practice such emotional mind-changing.


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|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Into the streets!
Keywords: Clinton, advisers, resistance to change, controversy
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:47:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.233846.4054@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>Your tales of the early civil rights struggle show us examples of
>what to expect and what has gone before. I would also add that there
>was another factor which was not uncommon.
>the agent provocateur.
>These are shills in the crowd whose purpose is to push demonstrations
>over the edge and into senseless violence. the aim is to discredit the
>movement.
>
>The way to spot 'em is their shoes BTW :-)

They've caught on about the shoes. But steer clear of "fags" in
polyester. (Except for a few of the techno-queens...)
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:46:27 GMT


In article <KMEYER.93Jan22144624@solarium.aero.org>
kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:

]On 19 Jan 93 19:38:49 GMT, black@sybase.com (Chris Black) said:

]>Why not have such a policy for *all* people who are
]>disabled or have serious illnesses?  If people with AIDS
]>need these benefits, don't other people need them as well?

]I don't know how I feel personally about this.  I can see
]the argument going that AIDS is fundamentally different from
]other disabilities; there's generally a greater stigma,
]greater financial burden, greater isolation, etc.  attached
]to it.  I mean, how many parents stop talking to their kids
]because they became quadripeligics in a car accident?  How
]many amputees get their health insurance canceled?

Not to gainsay your point about the special circumstances
PWAs face, lord knows being sick is itself enough of a
trial, it seems to me a society worth even half its salt
could manage to do both things with relative ease.  I took
that to be Chris's point.

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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: subscribe
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:08:01 GMT

In article <2B608567@urjwc.ucla.edu> MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu ("Davis, Mark A.") writes:
>Please subscribe me.

Euphemisms, always euphemisms.

-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                    brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
"Compared to my life, the last man on a chain gang is thoroughly
enjoying himself."                   __Holiday__ by Philip Barry
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:49:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1993Jan21.173206.15163@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob
Donahue) wrote:

[...]

> 	Given the other stuff being offered this year, the best
> bet is Space Rangers (the female pilot comes from a planet
> of all womyn --- I rather doubt it's celebate womyn, and the bear
> has had some breat lines I would swear came from here... though they'll
> be too stoopid to make someone who isn't an IM model queer...), 

Was I the only one who caught the line in the last episode of Space
Rangers, where Boon was talking with The Old Flame of the Week about the
aliens; he said "...not that they could get much uglier" and she said
something like, "That's right, you never could restrict your contact sports
to the opposite sex, could you?" Sounds pretty promising to me....

> BBC


TDO
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From: kane@cs.purdue.edu (Christopher Kane)
Subject: Re: Clinton Names White House E-Mail Director
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:15:12 GMT

In article <1k4ncrINNm31@umbc5.umbc.edu> ac999273@umbc.edu (ac999273) writes:
> In article <1993Jan26.235017.1301@PacBell.COM>  
rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
> >
> >
> >From Communications Daily, 1/19/93...
> >
> >    The Clinton Administration will become the first presidency
> >    to have an official responsible for making official
> >    Presidential documents widely available using electronic
> >    distribution.  Jonathan Gill has been named Director of
> >    via such electronic venues as CompuServe, GEnie and Internet.
> 
> 	Please find us the Internet Address, somone.....
> It would be fun  to E-mail the pres. don't you think?  Oh, and not to
> mention useful...

What they need is a newsgroup, that press releases can be put out on.
But what to name it?  biz.house.white?  talk.bill?  rec.government?
alt.horror.government?  Perhaps something along the lines of
alt.callahans...  :-)

waiting for alt.fan.stephanopoulous,

Christopher Kane
kane@cs.purdue.edu
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Cardassians?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:49:05 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <74127@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Scott Amspoker writes:
>>However, it was a bad 
>>choice to use the name "Quark" since that was already taken by
>>the short-lived outer space sitcom, "Quark", in the late 70's starring
>>Richard Benjemen.
>
>Oh, *please*!  How many people in the general viewing audience
>do you think even know the show ever *existed*?  *I* thought that
>it was one of the funniest things that ever hit television --

I used to think it was awful but I laughed all the way through it.
Of course, I was in college then and we all know what that means.

>with characters like Otto Palindrome, administrator of Space
>Station Perma-1, Betty-1 and Betty-2,
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    "You....CLONE!"
    "I am not.  *You're* the clone."
    "No, you're the clone."

>Gene/Jean the Transmute,
>Ficus the Vegeton... *WOW*!

Aww.  You forgot Andy the robot - the best character on the show.

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                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:37:50 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <77557@apple.apple.COM>,
richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
> 
> Clay Bond taught me, albeit indirectly, that sometimes it pays to read
> past what appears, on the surface, to be hateful and vulgar.

I'm *always* reading past what appears, on the surface,
but I don't think I'm being *nearly* hateful and vulgar enough.

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*trichologist* n. a name affected by hairdressers"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
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