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From: nancyb@os2lan.enet.dec.com (nancy b.)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Nickel plating a P7 ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:20:14 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	Page 7 of the August 21, 1992 New Gun Week has a picture
	of a nickel-plated P7 with the caption

	  	  "H&K offers Nickel Plating Option"
		   --------------------------------
	Text:  "H&K P7 pistols can be drawn, cocked and fired more
	accurately and faster than any other pistol.  Now H&K is
	offering the extra protection of corrosion resistant nickel 
	plating.  This extra protection is now available on the 
	H&K P7 M8/9mm, P7M13/9mm, and the P7M10/.40S&W.  A blued 
	finish is still available on all of the H&K P7's for those who
	prefer a traditional finish."

	I think the nickel'd P7 in the picture looked utterly cool.

	I already have a P7 (or two... ;-).  I called H&K, and they
	said they don't retroactively nickel plate guns they've
	already sold, and that I could go to a gun smith who does
	nickel plating for the M13 I have.  

	I'm interested in hearing people's opinions on doing this.

	I'm a little paranoid about making _any_ changes to the P7,
	as I haven't done anything but clean it since I bought it
	and it's worked quite well...

	Could nickel plating it in any way affect it's accuracy?
	How much (approx) would this cost?
	How much more corrosion-resistance does nickel add?

						nancy b.
From: bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Blood tests for lead
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:08:51 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <9209021805.AA28240@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> rhoten@a.cs.okstate.edu (rhoten r p) writes:
#                  ....  By the way, although I can't remember
#the units, the doctor said a level of 0 to 40 is considered
#normal, with 80 the place to start worrying seriously.
#I scored a 27.
#Make your New Year's resolutation now to get it
#checked the next time you have a blood test for anything.

You can have your "serum lead level" tested directly by a blood lab,
and avoid having to pay the middleman's fee to the doc.  A doc
controlled dab will charge something like $40 for the test, less if
you go directly to the lab and have it done there.

I'm looking at the puncture wound in my right elbow from having the
blood drawn for a lead test this morning.  I'll know the level by late
tomorrow.  I'm betting on at least a "premium" grade, maybe "regular".

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From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Has Anyone Dealt With Intratec?????
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:21:43 GMT
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.

I was wondering if anyone has dealt with Intratec Firearms???

I bought a .22 hand(type)gun.A friend and I were out shooting
(rapidly)and after a few hundred rounds,the firing pin broke.
I wrote Intertec and explained that I had recently bought it
and the pin broke.
I never even got an "eat me" letter in return!!!
So my questions are:
1)Has this type of thing happend to anyone else?
2)Can someone recomend a smith that could fix/make(a)firing pin??

ALSO:when you clean a rifle,Does it matter if you get little
shavings from the cleaning rod????(haven't cleaned many,just
shot 'em)Does anyone have tips on cleaning rifles??????
			JOHN
From: sfaber@ihlpb.att.com (Steven R Faber)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Non-lead bullets, some ponderings...
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:19:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T

#From article <9208250156.AA22098@relay1.UU.NET>, by chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington):
# In article <71502@apple.Apple.COM> ems@Apple.COM (Mike Smith) writes:
# #I was pondering the statement that Fiocci had non-Lead primers ....
# 
# Bismuth is toxic.  I don't know about Indium, but they are
# probably both expensive.
# 
Didn't think Bismuth was very toxic - you know Pepto Bismol and all.
It is being suggested as an alternative to lead shot in shotguns.
It is a constituent of various low melting point alloys.

Indium is a lot more expensive than Bismuth. Its so soft you can 
squeeze it into foil by hand, and has a melting point so low your
bullets would practically melt in your hand.
From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Black Talon Bullets
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:33:25 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <9208311650.AA15801@philabs.Philips.Com> dwc@philabs.philips.com (David W. Cuccia) writes:
#My question is, has anyone else heard of these things? They're still in the
#experimental stage (supposedly).

No, they're commercially available.  I've shot them at the range and have
a box (.40S&W) at home.  Winchester makes them in several handgun calibers.

#Are they really as effective as the article says?

We'll have to shoot a lot of people to find out, and that will take time.
My opinion is that they should be at least as effective in major calibers
as Federal HydraShok and perhaps slightly better due to the "buzz saw"
effect of the rotating points.
Xref: sparky rec.guns:12228 talk.politics.guns:20147
From: jim.wray@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jim Wray)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,talk.politics.guns
Subject: t.p.g. help
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:30:17 GMT
Followup-To: rec.guns
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

[hoping the moderator will allow this much latitude]

[MODERATOR: I'll put this out in case someone can help Jim, but I ask
that all responses be off line, thanks.]

I need some help.....I am getting this echo via some sort of ILINK gateway
and I know *nothing* about the internet world. I want to get the
talk.politics.guns echo I see referenced here frequently but the sysops
I have asked haven't been able to get this for some reason. From the
computer at work I can get connected to various internet hosts for FTP kinds
of things but don't know how to get into the mail system or whatever this
conferencing is called in the internet world. Can someone point me in the
right direction? I am able to receive personnally addressed mail via the
address that gets appended to this message by my ILINK host.
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From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mossberg 500 vs Rem 870
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:08:44 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:


#I fired a Mossberg 500 12 ga yesterday and dug it.  It had 18" barrel,
#(8 rd mag?) was parkerized, and had ghost ring sites.  Only matte
#stainless (or a big price cut) could have made it better to me.

#I liked it, but a few people have said that the Rem 870 is better.
#A whole lot better?  Why?
#I've noticed the mossberg can't be beat for price.  If it's not a
#big difference, I probably won't care.

#Is it possible I would regret buying one over the other?

 The Remington is better made, which is why it costs more. Mossberg
also is trying to become a "Ruger Jr." by following their lead into
gun control (they have made statements about there should be trigger
lock laws and such and that people should learn to live with it).
It is your choice what you buy, but my current shotguns are a Remington
870 Wingmaster and a Benelli M1 Super-90.
-- 
\   Grant DeLorean  - IHMSA & NRA Life Member -  (grant@bluemoon.rn.com)   /

   Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.  -- Euripides
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Stupid shooter tricks
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:37:38 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <9208222133.AA29978@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman) writes:
# I go shooting with novice women.  They really don't want to shoot a
# .22 (they think that recoilless air guns are a joke; they're out to
# shoot guns) and I don't see it as my place to tell them that their
# values are screwed up.  I tell them what to expect and that they have
# to hold the gun.  They do fine with 9mms and .38 specials in a .357,
# but they prefer .45 ACP 1911A1s like God intended so help me Cooper,
# especially the 100 lbs, squeal when they see spiders, teens.  (I'm not
# a Cooperite; they are.)

Why do you think they want to learn to shoot?  Those spiders are
VICIOUS!

# They EXPECT and somewhat desire recoil.  They think that it is part of
# the experience and just want to know how to deal with it.  (They know
# that it can be dealt with; men do.)  They're somewhat surprised by how

# -andy

It sounds like they've taken all rhetoric about equality of the
sexes seriously.  Good for them!

My wife much prefers a 1911A1 to my Browning Hi-Power.  I'm just 
too much of a wimp.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Chinese Type 63 Rifle
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:02:32 GMT


Rob writes:
#The Type 63 has a one-piece stock like the SKS, but the action
#is different and I believe it takes detachable magazines.

Sounds like the Type 68? AK action with SKS stock, normal mag 15 or 20
rd loaded from stripper clips, but accepts 30 rd AK mag?


Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
"That's not true," Bill hissed to his lawyer. "The facts are-"
"Don't worry about facts, Bill, no one else here does. Facts can't
alter this case."       -"Bill the Galactic Hero" Harry Harrison
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Cheap 9mm ammo?
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:14:18 GMT


Shotgun News has several sources for the Egyptian 9mm ammo, which
can be had for ten cents a round in 1000 round quantities (or less than
ten). It has corrosive primers, BTW.

Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
"That's not true," Bill hissed to his lawyer. "The facts are-"
"Don't worry about facts, Bill, no one else here does. Facts can't
alter this case."       -"Bill the Galactic Hero" Harry Harrison
Xref: sparky rec.guns:12633 rec.hunting:1493
From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,rec.hunting
Subject: Loads for 357 Maximum needed
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:02:36 GMT
Followup-To: rec.guns
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California

I'm looking for some loads for the 357 Maximum.  My books aren't new enough
to have any for the newer 170 grain bullets (I've a box of Sierra's).  I
use them in a 10" Thompson Center Contender.  The application will include
hunting, so the goal is a close to (but not quit) max with good accuracy.

Anybody have any favorites?

Alan K Biocca
AKBiocca@lbl.gov
From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: PA gun laws
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:57:13 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <MedaS_u00UhBM4RlJU@andrew.cmu.edu> se08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Adam Eliot) writes:
#Does anybody have information on the handgun laws (buying, carrying,
#using) in Pennsylvania.  All pertinent info would be appreciated.
#
#Also, any shooters out there in the Western PA area (PGH)... do you have
#any info on shooting ranges around here.
#

"No person shall carry a firearm in any vehicle or concealed on or about
his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without
a license..."

Carrying without the gun being "not readily accessible" that is, unloaded
with ammunition and gun stored in separate locked compartments is
first class misdemeanor with a penalty of up to 5 years imprisonment.
Conviction will cause the loss of your right to own any gun <under
Public Law 90-618> forever unless pardoned or a petition for relief
is granted. The licenses are non-discretionary is all of the state 
except for 1st class cities <Philadelphia and Pittsburgh>. A reason
must be stated for license but "self-defense" must be accepted without
prejudice. Apply at the county sheriff or PD of an incorporated city.

When purchasing handguns, an "Application for Purchase" is completed
in triplicate. 1 to dealer, 1 to local law enforcement, 1 to State Police.
Depending on locality, there is a 2 to 5 day wait, 2 for anyone with
a carry license. When delivered, a "Record of Sale" is completed which
is basically the same form as you filled out 2 to 5 days ago. This
completes the registration process. For rifles, there is no wait,
but, depending on locality, you may or may not have to fill out
the same forms as for a handgun.

BTW, open carry is prohibited without a license <the carry license 
allows both>.
-- 
 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+
 | Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only  |
 |"Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master" |
 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: leem@jpl-devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Lee Mellinger)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Beretta 92 problems
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:43:54 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)

In article <17egf9INN1ec@agate.berkeley.edu> ho%helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Kinson Ho) writes:
:I have a couple of questions for owners of the Beretta 92FS (9mm, fullsize)
:
:a. Are you happy with its performance?  Have you had problems with it? 
:   How many rounds have you put through it?  (I am interested in long
:   term reliability.)  Do you have the blued or stainless model?
:   Is rusting a problem?


I have a 92FS and a 92FSC type M.  There have been about 3000 rounds
put through the FS and about 500 through the FSC.  I have not
experienced even one failure with either piece.  Both are blued and
both have not had any rust.  The LA Sheriff's Department has one 92FS
that has had 70,000 rounds put through it with no mechanical failures.
:
:
:b. [I am aware that the cracked frames in the armed services trials 
:    were attributed to "hot" ammo.]
:   Two local ranges have told me problems with the 92:
:   One range (which does NOT rent the 92) claimed they have seen 
:   *two* incidents of cracked frames (blew up?) at their range.  
:   Another range (which rents the 92) said the reliability of the 92
:   is very poor.  Both of their 92s were out of service on that day.
:   In particular, I was told that some metallurgy
:   problem with manufacturing made the US-made (blued) models 
:   prone to failure with the locking "lugs", and that they were not
:   happy with the service of Beretta-USA regarding this problem.  
:   (It's NOT the cracked frame problem.)  They said they no longer
:   stock the US-made model (tho they will order it), and suggested the
:   Italian-made (stainless) model.  This range happens to be the only
:   one in the area that rents the 92.  9mm from Sig, Glock, S&W,
:   Browning, Colt and Ruger can all be rented easily. 
:   (Strange coincidence?)
:   Does anyone have similar experiences?  If there is any truth
:   in these stories, has the problem been corrected?  The local 
:   gun stores will not say anything.
:
The LASD has not had one cracked frame or lug problem and 
there are about 8,000 92's
that have been issued and in service for about 4 years.
:
:c. Does the 92 feed the popular hollowpoints without jamming?  

Very.   
:
:d. If you had to do it over again, would you choose the 92?
:
In a second.
:
:Kinson Ho


Lee

"Mit Pulver und Blei, die Gedanken sind frei."

|Lee F. Mellinger                 Caltech/Jet Propulsion Laboratory - NASA
|4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 818/354-1163  FTS 792-1163     
|leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV
From: swatt%mickey@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Scale weight check set - a Gadget Review (revisited)
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:02:25 GMT
Organization: Yale University, Computing & Information Systems


In article <1992Sep2.020528.7975@ncsu.edu>, hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
 
|>   So finally I bought a "Scale Weight Check Set" (a Lyman #7752313)
|> which has a total of 10 weights which can be used to put together a
|> weight sum of anywhere between 0.5 and 210.5 grains.

	...  [ list of minor discrepancies against Mettler HH33AR
	...   analyitic balance deleted


Well, in theory it would be nice to have the check weights "spot on",
and you can easily achieve this with a fine file for the over-weight
ones and a drop of laquer (SO's nail polish will do nicely) and then
a fine file for the other one.

However, absolute accuracy against the ISO-standard kilogram is not
required here, since duplicating *exactly* the published loads won't
necessarily duplicate the performance.  There are minor lot-to-lot
variations in all the components, and you don't know whether the
folks who published the loads weighed every charge on a Mettler
balance anyway.

What *is* important is duplicating your own loads, so if you find that
16.7 gr. of Win 296 is just right for your .357 magnum, you are
confident that (1) what your scale says is 16.7 gr. is very close
to a real-world 16.7 gr., and (2) what you will get the next time
you make up a batch of this load is very close to what you got last
time.

The errors Henry listed are miniscule compared the effects of humidity
changes, lot-to-lot powder variations, and the accuracy limits of
typical powder scales (mine can only be set in 0.1 gr. increments
anyway) and powder measures.

The value of the check-weight set is that while it is easy to imagine
damage to the powder scale which makes it dangerously innacurate, the
check-weight set will be as accurate as it came out of the box forever,
unless it is badly mistreated.

-- 
  Alan S. Watt
  Yale University			Computing and Information Systems
  Box 2112 Yale Station			(203) 432-6602
  New Haven, CT  06520-2112		Watt-Alan@Yale.Edu
From: smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Air guns
Date: 29 Aug 92 13:50:16 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.

I have a Crosmann 1377 air pistol.  It is a good gun, but you have to
pump it 10 times to get any velocity out of it.  I would like to get
a rifle that has at least 800fps velocity, with a single pump.  I have
been thinking about getting one of those chinese made TS-45's, but 
what about other brands?  The RWS modle 45 looks pretty good, but
costs around $150.  I ordered a catalog from Beeman the other day.
It has alot of good information about air rifles in there.  They really
downplay the .22 caliber and make the .20 and .25 caliber sound good.
Then I read the price list.  The cheapest pistol they have retails for
$145 on sale.  Some of the more inexpensive rifles are $200.  The one
I liked wat the Crow Magnum, which cost about $350.  They even had
target models up to $1400.  I'm sure these are good guns, but for that
price, I could get a real gun.  Could anyone out there give me some
comments about other brands that I could mail order?  Please send me
email.  I will only be on the net for 1 more week, and if you post it
I might not get it in time.  Thanks, syspb$smartstar.com
From: rpalmer@Think.COM (Ralph Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: More stupid shooter tricks
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:20:26 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA

I heard this one while waiting in line for three hours at the
Collectors Coin Gallery after Thanksgiving gun sale. I don't know
if it is really true, but the story sure was funny.

Anyway the guy behind me in the line was a part time animal control
officer for a small town west of Boston.  He spent most of his time
picking up dead pets, or putting them out of thier misery.  He asked
the chief if they would buy a .22 rifle so that he didn't have to use
his .357 shooting dogs and cats.  The chief refuses, but this guy
goes and gets a Feather .22 rifle.  One day he gets a call that a cat
was hit by a car.  When he gets to the scene he takes the new Feather
out of the box and puts four rounds in the tube.  He points the rifle
at the cat, pulls the trigger and the damn thing goes full auto!  He
is scared sh!tless, the owner of the cat is stunned, but it carefully
put the gun down and put the cat in a bag and drives off like nothing
special happened!  

Moral of the story: always test fire your weapon.
From: edhresko@hresko.EOS.NCSU.EDU (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Ballistic software for Mac??
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:43:43 GMT
Organization: Techno-Geeks Inc.



	On a similar note, I'm interested in any ballistic software written
for a UNIX system.  If there is any, please let me know.  Thanks.

Eric
-- 


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From: webdw@mvutd.att.com (Bruce D Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Black Talon Bullets
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:05:35 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <9208311650.AA15801@philabs.Philips.Com> dwc@philabs.philips.com (David W. Cuccia) writes:
#
#
#I was visiting my brother a while back, and found his July copy of Shooting
#Times. In it was an article about Black Talon bullets. I forget who the
#manufacturer was. The idea behing these bullets is a specially shaped jacket
#


Black Talon bullets are manufactured by Winchester and have been
sold at large for the past several months. (eg Atlanta Discount Ammo.)

I've personally seen the demos on these; they are impressive.  IMHO
they will prove to be more effective than other jhp's as "stoppers"
and will change the Marshall statistics after a few years of field
use results.  They expand into a wide jagged projectile and would leave
a real mess for a surgeon to repair - if possible.

BDW
From: nsc!jrr@decwrl.dec.com (Jerry Roe)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 s&w questions
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:30:06 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara

In article <9208191756.AA17991@relay1.UU.NET> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
#
(...pistol-choice discussion deleted...)
#
#...If we hadn't finally
#decided against .40 S&W, we probably would have gone with the Smith.
#By the way, did anyone else notice that Evan Marshall's stats note 
#"through-and-through" in almost incident?  He concludes that there is
#"a tendency for overpenetration"; an understatement.

Uhh...wasn't he talking about the full-power 10MM here, not the .40 S&W?
I know the 10 has (deservedly) garnered that reputation for itself.

#
##has taurus come out with a model 96 clone yet?
#
#Yes.  There was in an ad for it in American Handgunner, several months
#ago.  It's designated the model 100, as I recall.  One thing about it,
#and I think this is true of all Taurus clones of the Beretta, is that
#they have a 3-position safety-decocker.  I forget the ordering of the
#positions, but remember misgivings about hitting the safety too hard in
#a tense situation and ending up with weapon unable to fire.

Hmm.  I don't own any DA semi-autos, but when you have a DA pistol and
de-cock it, isn't all that's required to fire it just simply pulling the
trigger through?  (Assuming a round is chambered, which is implicit in
de-cocking.)  Isn't that the whole idea behind DA semi-autos?  Granted,
you'd have to cycle the trigger again, but I don't see how the weapon
would be *unable* to fire.


Jerry Roe
jrr@nsc.nsc.com		...!{sun,pyramid,decwrl)!nsc!jrr
From: mws20@ccc.amdahl.com (Mark Sechrest)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Info on Baby Eagle??
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:02:05 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA



I was in a sporting goods store last night and saw a new gun- the Baby
Eagle. Does anyone have any info on this gun? Have you seen any reviews
of it? Any info appreciated!


Mark Sechrest
mws20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com