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From: denisf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Denis Fafard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Qs un-Qing Qs
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:15:51 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT) writes:

- ..... stuff deleted RE: taking away Q powers
- 
- The other possiblity is there were no "dissenting" votes in the girl's
- case, as there might have been in Q's (John DeLancy).  Since whe was so
- flawed (born human), execution probably seemed like a good idea to all
- of the continuum.
- 
- Steve Gilbert
- sg0d@Lehigh.edu

  On a sort of seperate tangent, I don't think that the Q-Continuum would
 have killed her because she was flawed (born human).  If you remember
 back to the 2nd or 3rd Q episode, the Q wanted (or rather NEEDED) Riker
 to become one of them so that they could 'figure out' this impulsive
 human need for advancement, growth, questing for knowledge. 

  IMHO, this girl would be the perfect solution to them! Being born
 human and raised as one (thru all the formative years till now) she
 would be just what the Q needed.  That is the only thing that frightens
 the Q about humans, their continual growth.


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From: jt_rask@pavo.concordia.ca (RASKU, JASON T.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Odo's molecules - where do they go?
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:34:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan14.234254.8169@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, gdearing@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory D Dearing) writes...
>In article <katherim.727049193@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>>The subject says it all.  How can something human sized, become a bag or a
>>rat.  It doesn't seem to make sense at all.
>>
> 
>It's all a matter of density.  When he's human size, Odo could be a
>hollow shell, or just have his particles spaced few and far between.
>Changing his shape to that of a bag would then require him to pack
>those particles in a little more tightly.  I'm guessing your high
>school science teacher told you that your hand is 99.99..% space. 

I was under the impression that he somehow was capable of changing his 
mass.  Changing density is not all that exsiting.  For instance in this 
most recent episode he changed into some sort of cart which PROBABLY had 
more mass than the bag he changed into in an earlier episode (firt 1h one I 
think).  Also he seems to be able to change his topology how is this 
possible?  He seems to be able to disobey the laws of physics as we know 
them (and the laws of mathematics in the case of change of topology).  The 
changing of his topology might not be all that significant but I think that 
it is something important to note (I don't think the bag was topologicaly 
diffrent from his human form but I'm not sure on that).  To change density 
is not all that exsiting (though it would exsplain diffrent sized objects). 
I think (from what little I've heard about him) that he can change his mass 
(creating objects that are more realistic in their feel than if he had 
simply changed densities).  Think of this.  We would exspect him in his 
human form to weigh somewhere in the range of 120 lbs to 200 lbs (depending 
on his celular strucure).  If this were so wouldn't you find it a little 
difficult to believe that he can get away with being a 120 lb bag?  Doesn't 
make sence to me.  Oh well...

							Jason Rasku
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From: an395_molnar@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Re: several things
Reply-To: an395_molnar@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:11:22 GMT

well, here's a guess from another new net user.  I think the principle
behind lasers is the exitation of electrons in synthetic ruby.  The 
electron stream is the bounced between partially silvered mirrors and when theenergy level is high enough the beam passes through the mirror. I'm a bio major so my explanation may be off a bit.
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From: petitc@nuge101.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: "Continuum drag"
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:59:33 GMT

>guest@Chopin.Physics.McGill.CA writes:

>> PS: I should mention that in real world physics, it takes an infinite
>> amount of energy to *accelerate* to light speed.  Once you're at a
>> given speed, you'll stay there unless acted on by an external force.

  That's not quite true.  It's true, in theory, but in practice, there's
always something in the way---consider how quickly planes could fly if there
weren't any air (ignore for the moment that they'd come crashing down to the
surface).  When you're in 'space' there's STILL things in the way---only
stray hydrogen molecules and the very rare sizable mass.  But, I don't think
you can get even CLOSE to c (classically), because of this drag force you
must overcome (modest though it is at low speeds).

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From: 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser)
Subject: Re: Nebula class Starship
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:52:57 GMT

hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:


>They talk about Nebula class ships in the ST:TNG Technical Manual. It is
>supposed to be a new class that is in development right now, so if we
>ever have an Enterprise-E it's going to be Nebula class...

>-Nicolas

where does it say that?

they also mention, in the footnotes, a plug for the guy who was responsible
for creating the Nebula Class in the fourth seasion. It can't be a development
ship, cause we've seen three already. the USS Phoenix, USS Sutherland and the
one in the premire DeepSpace 9 episode

does anyone have the plans to this starship? or the Ambassador class?

matthew
From: guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA (Muhep Guest account)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re:"continuum drag"
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:02:23 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

J. P. Robertson writes
> In article <C1DD7q.C5p@cs.mcgill.ca> guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA  
(Muhep  
> Guest account) writes:
> > PS: I should mention that in real world physics, it takes an infinite
> > amount of energy to *accelerate* to light speed.  Once you're at a
> > given speed, you'll stay there unless acted on by an external force.   
> --
> Well, I know that you need to accel. to increase velocity, but
> why would have have to have infinite energy?  Lightspeed is not
> infinite speed.  It takes the same energy to go from 0 to 10 m/s
> than from 10 to 20 m/s.  Or is there some relativistic effect
> I've never heard of?
>
Energy increases as mc^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) which has a singularity at v=c.
 
> Besides, how does a photon reach lightspeed?  Does my flashlight
> have infinite energy?  (If so, why is it always going dead...)

Photons have no mass.

Martin Phipps
LOULA@hep.physics.mcgill.ca
From: sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Time travel
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:38:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <gunnarh.342.728022260@dhhalden.no>, gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
[intro deleted]
>As far as I know, "jump's" can't occur (ie. you can't go directly from one 
>place to another, from 40mph to -40mph, or even from 100mph to 100.00001mph).
>All numbers are random, of course. I'm saying that it's not forward in 
>time / backwards in time. There's something in between. I'm not going to 
>elaborate this as it is 5am. However; in order to go from normal to reversed 
>passage of time, you have to go through NO passage of time. Now if time 
>stood still, nothing would happen, right? So if, in an attempt to go back in 
>time, slowed it down till it stood still, you wouldn't get any further, thus 
>be captured in one single moment and, in a way, sieze t exist. Cogito ergo 
>sum. I think therefore I am. If time stood still, one wouldn't think and 
>therefore not exist. A bit philosofical, I know but tell me it's not a crazy 
>idea...
>
It's not a crazy idea!
>
[closing deleted]
>
You're making too much sense.  If you could really prove
scientifically that time travel was not possible, fine.  But I think
I'll take TOS, STIV, Dr. Who, and all the other places time travel has
been used because this stuff was all great.  I'm sure many will agree
with me that not only was STIV the best ST movie, it was a great movie
in general and got great reviews from "mainstream" critics.

Science fiction is fiction, but not just fiction, predictive fiction.
Whenever someone tries to predict the future, there will always be
some degree of inconsistencies and "impossibilities."  Perhaps time
travel is possible and we just haven't figured it out yet.  There was
a time when most people, including experts, thought this planet was
flat!  It could be that we can't possibly comprehend this time travel
idea because we are locked into the logic used above (which IMHOP looks
very sensible).  What we need is another great scientist like Einstein
to come along that will think outside of what we already know is not
possilble and prove it possible.  

Simply- humans can not possibly know what they don't know because they
don't know that they don't know it. 
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From: assaf@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: DS9 -Alderaan?
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:37:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad2.1993Jan27.103716.1
Organization: University of Alaska


	Did anyone catch in the third episode of DS9 the departure location of
the ship ODO was on. It goes like this
	43863
		clear for departure
		departure from Alderaan Spaceport
From: marshal@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Timothy Pat Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Battlestar vs Enterprise
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:42:48 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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Summary: Question about prev. posting

Sorry to dredge up an old issue, but I was told that at one time
someone had posted what would happen if the respective powers in
Battlestar Galactia had met the Enterprise in battle.  If this is
true could someone email or post that article please?



                                   The random reader




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From: petitc@vccsouth11.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: "Rascals"---You Call That Fighting?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:33:01 GMT

  While I liked the episode, I found some of the military performance of
Starfleet (the 'military' branch of the Federation---I think) horrible.
Specifically...

  Lt. Commander Worf, who is supposedly SUCH an excellent warrior, MISSES his
phaser shot!  Also, about the shot itself---it's a JOKE---the pharengi just
dodged!  Why did they switch to phasers if they move at a snail's pace?

  As for their tactical manuvers to avoid the BOP's, WTF?  Why didn't they
manuver on Impulse to obtain a good firing position?  Shabby, shabby.

  No wonder some people suggest that Starfleet is weak---if a few Pharengi
can defeat the flagship of Starfleet, then Starfleet's really in poor shape.

  Only good thing about their 'battle' scene was that, for ONCE, the shields
didn't give on the first shot.


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From: det@sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: "continuum drag"
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:19:28 GMT
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In article <C1HDp1.G2q@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jroberts@morpheus.UWaterloo.ca (J. P. Robertson) writes:
>In article <C1DD7q.C5p@cs.mcgill.ca> guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA (Muhep  
>Guest account) writes:
>> PS: I should mention that in real world physics, it takes an infinite
>> amount of energy to *accelerate* to light speed.  Once you're at a
>> given speed, you'll stay there unless acted on by an external force.   
>--
>Well, I know that you need to accel. to increase velocity, but
>why would have have to have infinite energy?  Lightspeed is not
>infinite speed.  It takes the same energy to go from 0 to 10 m/s
>than from 10 to 20 m/s.  Or is there some relativistic effect
>I've never heard of?

Yes, there is.  It does indeed take more energy to accelerate from
10 to 20 m/s than from 0 to 10 m/s.  The difference is practically
immeasurable, and at these velocities, Newton's Laws are an excellent
approximation of relativistic laws of motion.  As the velocity increases,
the deviations start to show up, and then dominate.  As you approach
the speed of light, the mass appears to increase exponentially, such
that it is impossible for any object with nonzero mass to attain
lightspeed (and massless objects, e.g. photons, MUST travel at the
speed of light).

I don't really want to get into how different frames at different
relative velocities view the same accelerating object.  That is
way outside what can be adequately conveyed in a short essay on the
newsgroup.  I suggest reading one of the many excellent books on
special and general relativity, or better yet attend a college course
dealing with it in some depth.

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From: harmonix@stein.u.washington.edu (Chaz Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Nebula class Starship
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:52:08 GMT
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hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) said:
>
>They talk about Nebula class ships in the ST:TNG Technical Manual. It is
>supposed to be a new class that is in development right now, so if we
>ever have an Enterprise-E it's going to be Nebula class...
>
>-Nicolas
>

	Not true.  The Next Generation in Federation Starships is the
proposed NOVA class, not the NEBULA class.  Chapter 17 in the ST:TNG
Technical Manual.


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From: nf0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nathan W. Fullerton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: DSN9: Virus
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:35:57 GMT
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Please include spoiler warnings for those of us who aren't lucky enough
to have TV stations that play the episodes promptly.  Some of us haven't
been able to see the latest episodes yet.

Nathan
From: det@sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Stuck airlock in Babel DS9
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:00:54 GMT
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Organization: Stratus Computer Inc.
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In article <1993Jan27.172424.14761@stsci.edu>, wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
> In article <1993Jan27.163054.879@linus.mitre.org> lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn) writes:
>>Was there something I missed here?  Why didn't Chief O'Brien simply beam 
>>the stuck people out and then go back and fix the airlock at his 
>>convenience rather than make it a big priority?
>Good question.  Perhaps the Cardassian transporters on the station do
>not do well in intrastation beaming.

A couple of other possibilities:

1. There might have been equipment in or near the airlock that generated
   fields that would interfere with transporting.

2. Maybe the repair job was actually a pretty quick task to complete
   (and the people trapped inside lose their cool even quicker), and
   going all the way to a transporter room wouldn't have been much quicker.

3. The people stuck in the airlock have been a major pain in the @$$
   calling for one minor repair after another, and O'Brien was letting
   them sit there for a while out of spite.

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From: darkie@rieska.oulu.fi (Tapio Erola)
Subject: Re: Which episode is the Q girl in?
Organization: University of Oulu
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:05:55 GMT

Sorry the faulty .Sig....
From: myke@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Michael Dautermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: DS9 premiere:  was that a Constitution class ship swooping in with the Nebula class ship?
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Date: 23 Jan 1993 15:55:51 -0500
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Summary: this ought to start a thread...
Keywords: nebula, constitution, etc.

  

When the Saratoga was locked into the Borg's tractor beam, and just after 
the Excelsior-class U.S.S. Melborne got nuked, two other Federation
ships "swooped" in... one of them was definitely a Nebula class, the
OTHER, though, looked like a Constitution (i.e. a movie-style Enterprise-A)
class.  Anyone concur?  

The only difference between DS9's version and the movie's version is
that the ship at Wolf 359 seemed to be more steel blue colored... the movie
ships are usually light grey...

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From: 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser)
Subject: Re: Nebula class Starship
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:56:04 GMT

Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:

>In article <1993Jan27.130527.1625@sol.cs.wmich.edu>
>52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser) writes:

>> 
>> i'd say your right, however (according to the TechManual)
>> the new saucer shape dictated new math to figure out the warp
>> geometry, etc...plus it's four times bigger (or so) than the 
>> regular Miranda class starships (if the saucer is the same size as E-D's)
>> 
>> matthew
>> 52kaiser


>  The starship designs at the end of the tech manual are for the NOVA
>class starships.

......comparing the saucer size of the E-D with the saucer size of the E-A
 	in the TechManual..............

	i'm NOT talking about the NOVA class
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From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Data Why not a direct link ?, Radio Link?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:36:01 GMT

In article <C1FwIG.6L4@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umennis0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sean Douglas Ennis) writes:
> In <C1EqKF.MM9@dcs.ed.ac.uk> cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Colin Simpson) writes:
> 
>>Could anyone suggest an explanation as to why data does not use a direct link
>>into the ships computer when he is at his station. This would be a lot faster than 
>>punching keys, even for Data. The reason is not that it cannot be done, because he
>>did this in the episode 'Disaster'. 
> 
> Well, the writers probably want to make Data a much more 'human'
> character.  If he was to jamb his finger in a socket in the computer (or
> a spike in his head) every 5 minuits of an episode, he realy wouldn't be
> all that human - would he.
> 
> It would be a heck of a lot more logical for Data to communicate with the
> computer with a hard-link, or even the way the 'pads' and 'tri-corders'
> (sp?) do.  If I was building an android (once I got all the bugs out of
> it (ie Lhore)).
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Sean Ennis --- a.k.a. Blades  | 'I do not fear computers,
>   <umennis0@ccu.umanitoba.ca> |        I fear the lack of them'
>                               |                             --Issac Asimov


Why must Data use a physical means to tie into the computer. 
Why does not Data just use a direct "radio" link (Subspace).
Kind of a Cybertelepathy?? Maybe to make him seem human..But, 
It might make him to "Vulcan" seeming to be able to "mentally" connect with the
computer or a alien device (AI or somewhat like)..
With a touch or just get near..
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Nebula class Starship
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:24:26 GMT
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In article <1993Jan27.195604.1951@sol.cs.wmich.edu>
52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser) writes:

> 
> >  The starship designs at the end of the tech manual are for the NOVA
> >class starships.
> 
> ......comparing the saucer size of the E-D with the saucer size of the E-A
>  in the TechManual..............
> 
>  i'm NOT talking about the NOVA class

  What I mean is that there is NO NEBULA CLASS in the Startrek the Next
Generation Technical Manual.


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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: transporters, smart computers, and sensors
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:30:27 GMT

In article <_6j36mj@rpi.edu> petitc@nuge101.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne) writes:
>
>>As for the comments on sensor refinement, take a gander at the scene in
>>STVI:TUC where the Enterprise-A shows a fairly detailed surface scan of
>>Rura Penthe, while they are in Fed space and Rura Penthe is 'deep within
>>the Klingon frontier', which translates to at least a few hours travel at
>>moderate warp speed (moderate because they were trying to pass as a cargo
>>ship, which generally can not fo Warp 12 (old reckoning warp)).
>
> My guess here is that they were using a topographical map that was already
>made awhile ago.

That was my first thought as well. But then, why would a Federation starship
have a detailed map of a Klingon penal planet which is located deep within
the Empire? I don't accept that they could have scanned it from where they
were, and I doubt it would be on record in their computers. So...

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