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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:21:00 CST
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Subject:      Coltrane this time....

(But I reserve the right to babble about Miles at any moment ;-)

I forgot to mention that I picked up a great Coltrane CD over Christmas for
only $7.99!!! It's a European import that might as well be a bootleg, of
Trane with Dolphy and the usual rhythm section recorded live in November of
1961 in Coppenhagen. It features only 4 tunes, but *what* tunes they are!!!
My Favorite Things with a stunning flute solo by Dolphy, Blue Train, Naima
with Dolphy on bass clarinet, and Impressions. The sound quality is *very*
good - only lacking in the high-end and nothing a little re-eq doesn't fix.
I figured out the recording date from an extensive Eric Dolphy discography/
biography I own, otherwise there was no clue where or even when this CD was
recorded, or who was even on it (other then the obvious, Trane).

I'll have to tape this one for you, Beer, if you're interested. And I got a
cool ECC import of Art Blakey live in Japan in 1961 with Shorter and Lee
Morgan on it. I'm usually not all that big into Blakey stuff, but those two
horn players really make it for me.

(Warning! Mindless Miles ramblings to begin at anytime....)

The Miles recording I'm really looking for most of all is his 66 (or 67)
concert with Gil Evans at Berkey. I hear it's in the vaults, and I'm pretty
sure that it's never been released, even through unofficial channels. I'd
pay a mint to hear what he did with Gil in 66. Other than that, the only
thing I could really go for is more alternate takes of Nefertiti, like the
slow take of Pinnochio. I'd kill for the master tapes of Miles' studio work
in 1967. We see a few masterpieces in the years prior (Footprints, Prince
Of Darkness, etc...) but for me (as I've said all to often, I sure) Miles'
single greatest complete album (other than perhaps Kind Of Blue) is (you
guessed it) Nefertiti. That whole thing is strong from second one till the
final fadeout. For me, each cut off that album is among his very best. And
I'd kill for live versions of any of those tunes. I hold high hopes that
I'll at least find mention of some live Nefertiti stuff in the huge Miles
discography I mentioned in my last post....

Any word on the Miles Tibute band release that was mentioned quite a bit in
that one Downbeat article called Miles Lives!

And Jeff, what do you think of Seth Air? (I'm assuming you've heard it. I
haven't as yet, but hope to soon rectify that situation.)

I should shut up now and study for my Medieval Music midterm. Now was that
Leonin or Perotin? ;-)

                              Tom "I'd much rather be taking 300 level
                               music courses in Jazz, thankyou." Buck
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:00:15 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Gimme three steps out that door
              Bloom" at Jan 22, 93 11:11:43 am

Michael Bloom sez:

> From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmg@ACCESS.DIGEX.COM>
> Subject:      More Bungle
>
> > What is this song "Travolta"? I've seen this song referred to before. My
> > Mr Bungle CD has no such song. The name Travolta is mentioned in "Quote
> > Unquote" but that's not the name of the song. What's the deal here?
>
> Hmm, I have a song with "Travolta" in the title. It's the first cut. I think
> I detect the fingerprints of lawyers.

The "Quote Unquote" song on mine is the first song on mine. Mine starts out
with the lyrics: "All behold the spectacle
                  A fleshy limbless rectangle..."

Is yours the same? Shit man, if you got some Mr Bungle I haven't heard, I
wanna hear it. Put it at the end of that tape your sending me if it's
different. Wait! How could Travolta sue them or anything, no one knows
who they are! :-)

Seeya,
Gary
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syncronicity strikes.

i got the latest 4ad newsletter in today's mail. down at the bottom of
page two, there is a note that matt johnson's _burning blue soul_ will
be reissued on cd on april 27 in the united states. neato keen. no
mention of extra tracks, but it will feature all new artwork.

we've had to wait 12 years for an american release of this creature,
but boy will it be worth it.

woj
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Is that Herbie Hancock's tune "Dolphin Dance" you heard in
the Spanish bathing beauty commercial?
MWM
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Subject: re: Keith Emerson

it was leos janacek.  i believe the piece was the sinfionetta.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:22:51 CST
Reply-To:     Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Technodigititis

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:09:29 EST Ken Koester said:
>On Fri, 15 Jan 1993 15:40:07 EST Tim Johnson said:
>>
>>incidentally, since CDs are digital, and thus the max signal
>>from a CD is fixed (at least, for a given CD player, the max
>>signal for any CD should be the same) you shouldn't have to
>>fool with level settings on the tape deck.  A given tape deck/
>>CD player combo could always have the same input level setting.
>
>This I don't follow.  Most CD players send an analog signal to the amp--this
>is why DAT isn't actually going to give you a perfect copy of a CD.
>And most of my CDs make the meters jump around quite a bit when I record
>them.

Um, I think Tim was just implying that you could set your input level on
your tape deck and forget it when recording CDs, but as I pointed out, this
isn't quite true since different engineers will tend to give themselves more
or less headroom on the recording level, with consequentially varying max
outputs. DAT *will* give you a perfect copy (assuming correct bits are read
from the CD, which is not necessarily a given) if it's hooked up to the
digital output of a CD player, but since most folks have an analog preamp or
receiver sitting between CD & DAT (well, those who are lucky or foolish enough
to have a DAT deck - I noticed a portable Casio for just over $500 mailorder...
<innocent whistling> :-), an analog signal may be more commonly used as input
to DAT decks. If I had the money, I'd probably pick up the M&S MCC-1 D/A
converter/digital preamp, but I still wouldn't get a DAT deck :-)

FWIW, I have no plans to even consider either of the new digital formats,
MiniDisc or DCC. MD is pretty cool, but I'd rather buy more CDs!

Paul
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:10:21 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Music Theory Thread

>        Breaking the rules is a vital tool of creativity.
>There's no creativity inside a set of fixed rules.

Wrongo, Marco.  There is no information, no aesthetic, no
art, and no communication without rules.  Too many rules
will restrict expression, to be sure - but no rules is
chaos. Chaos may not be all bad, but it is not art.

                                     -Tim

(see kierkegaard or chaos/information theory for more details.)
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:09:53 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gabriel and MTV -- Len's question belatedly replied

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:24:00 CST Leonard said:
>
>New Thread (maybe): Name what you beleive is a modern masterpiece of music
>                    entire album or just a tune........?
>

I would nominate the Band's second album as a masterpiece, probably the
best album in rock & roll history.

David
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:02:40 EST
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Songwriters

> Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

Chuck Berry, Bob Dylan, Smokey Robinson, Holland/Dozier/Holland, Lennon and
McCartney, Robbie Robertson, Joe Strummer and Mick Jones, Elvis Costello,
Berry/Buck/Mills/Stipe, and John Hiatt.

I can't let a reference to songwriters go by without mentioning the late great
Sammy Cahn, lyricist supreme, who passed away just a week ago. Cole Porter and
Ira Gershwin may have turned more elegant phrases, but nobody matched Sammy
Chan for versatility and volume. My favorite Sammy Cahn anecdote is one that
he tells like this:

"A fellow came in one day and said, 'Say, can you guys write me a song called
"Three Coins In the Fountain"?'"

"I said, 'We can write you a song called "Eh".'"


My personal all-time favorite songwriter would be Allen Toussaint, who has
covered a lot of ground himself.

David
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Hi Allmusicers...


I'd sub, but my mailbox can't take the heat..

Someone please send me the address for the distribution of the
"Musical List of Lists".  (And an ftp site for back issues if
possible)

Much gratitude..

Mike

Mike Siciliano               Home Account---AXG2SJU@SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU
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- Is there anybody listening?  Is there anyone who smiles without
a mask?
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:33:47 -0700
From:         Robert Garret Gruhn <1418@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Music diversity

This is my first post to this list...so be gentle...;)

I like a majority of different styles of music, I find something worthy in
every type of music out there.  I mostly listen to what people deem
"Alternative" (i.e. Smiths, Concrete Blonde, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys,
etc...), but I've been known to like groups and artists diverse such as
Amy Grant, Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Pink Floyd, and Metallica.

The reason for my post is this.  Do you think that the genre refered to as
Alternative is taking over the mainstream?  I know many people who find
every group that makes it to mainstream a "sell-out".  I'd just like to
hear your opinions as to this.  Thanks.

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:55:09 CET
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Subject:      Re: the The

>
>On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:35:55 MST cinnamon girl said:
>>OMC:  I heard a song the other day called "Dogs of Lust" by The The. It got
my
>>musical juices flowing and I'd like to know more about this group.  Anyone?
>
>Not much, though I've heard that song and it definitely humps :-) the The (I
>think that's how they like to be called) are Johnny Marr's (ex-Smith) group.
>They had an album called Mind Bomb which is supposedly excellent. I think the
>latest is their fourth.

A bit of a discography (plus sample lyric)
(She was lying on her back with her legs parted,
 Squealing like a stuffed pig.)

Feb.83 The Nature Of Virtue 7"/12" single, released on Epic
Oct.83 Soul Mining LP, released on Epic
Jul.84 This Is The Day 7" single, released on Some Bizzarre
May.86 Sweet Bird Of Truth 7" single, released on Epic (ltd. edition of 7,500)
Jul.86 Heartland 7"/12" single, released on Epic and Some Bizzare (Aug.86)
                        tracks - Heartland/Born in New S.A./Flesh and Bones/
                                 Bones/Sweet Bird of Truth
Oct.86 Infected 7"/12" single
Nov.86 Infected LP/MC, released on Epic
                        tracks - Infected/Out Of The Blue (Into The Fire)/
                                 Heartland/Angels Of Deception/Sweet Bird Of
                                 Truth/Slow Train To Dawn/Twilight Of A
                                 Champion/The Mercy Beat
Jan.87 Slow Train To Dawn/Harbour Lights 7"/12" single, released on Epic
Apr.87 Infected Video, released on CBS
May.87 Infected CD, released on Epic
May.87 Sweet Bird Of Truth 7"/12"/CDS/MCS, released on Epic
                        tracks - Soul Mining/Sweet Bird Of Truth/Sleeping
                                 Juice/Harbour Lights

(But there is more)

CD Numbers
               USA             Britain           Germany           Canada
Infected    - EPIC EK-40471  EPIC CDEPC26770   Columbia CD-26770  EPIC EK90746
Mind Bomb   -      EK-45241  Some Bizza        Sony 463319-2           EK45241
                                   463319-2
Soul Mining -      EK-39266  EPIC 466337-2     Columbia 466337-2       WEK90699


Matt Johnson solos
Jun.84 Burning Blue Soul MC, released on 4AD

Seb
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From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ALLMUSIC reunion picture: can you GIF it?

Ilia says:

>> some listmembers would like to see it. There's new- and old-time ALLMUSIC
>> on it, and precisely: Tim, Bloom+wife (Sandra), Tim, woj, Rachel (she was on
>                        ^^^                       ^^^
>
>        The abilities of Marco's camera are really impressive! :)

        Gulp. Two Tims? Maybe Tim's tWim? [what a bad pun...]. No, just ONE
Tim.

>     As far as GIFing is concerned, I am writing programs for a huge
>multimedia system, and we have a fairly good digitizer. I am quite sure
>I can convert its graphics files to virtually any format, including GIF.
>The only problem is that I don't have Internet access, so somebody will
>have to help me to put it on a server.

        OK. If you can UUENCODE the file so that Bitnet will not eat it
out while sending it, that's OK for me. I can find a server, I assume. I just
need your home or work address (also, Tim, please can I have yours?) and I'll
send you the picture as soon as I make copies. I would have sent it anyway
since you're on it.
        If someone else can access an anonymous server, scream...

        Ciao, Marco

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:40:00 EST
From:         John M <LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      TV Bands

Brodie sez:

>C'mon, kids, since it is a universal truth that most TV bands are made up of
>mostly cheese why not disscuss which TV band is the cheesiest. Maybe it's the
>Bradys (with "It's Time to Change") or Josie and the pussycats. After all we
>ll really know that the undisputible BEST TV band would have to be that one on
>the Muppet Show, y'know the one Animal played the drums for.
                                        -Brodie
I believe you're referring to Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem. One of my
faves, too - couldn't stand to see them mentioned without their true moniker
being applied.

-JM
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:33:12 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      DAVEY WILLIAMS

:h$y  Rf:Subject:      RE: DAVEY

> WELLLLLL.... nice to hear that someone else KNOWS Davey... in point of
> fact, I have a FINE tape (if yer' interested, Dave), of him, his (maybe
> former) wife & a mighty strange sax player named Wally Shoup, circa '82,
> playing 'fake jazz' (i.e., zzaj) in a Birmingham joint called 'The
> Cavern'!  MUCH fun!

}}I keep forgetting to mention, this is one king hell whopper of a tape, and
}}should be strongly considered by all the improv fans on this list. N.B.: I'm
}}a big fan of Davey and LaDonna.


Many THANKS for remembering to mention it, Michael... & to ANYONE
who is interested, e-mail me with yer' orders for the tape... special '93
deal... any ALLMUSICKER who orders this tape can get it for $1.00 off...
only $5.00, postpaid!

ZZAJ
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I usually pay no attention to the stupid award shows, the Grammys, the
Oscars, the American Music Awards etc., but a friend of mine just had to
tell me about the AMA - apparently this was last night? Beats the shit out
of me. Anyway, apparently these awards are based totally on *sales* - I
don't know whether to laugh or puke. I mean, at least they're *honest* about
it being nothing but a popularity contest, but why the fuck do they need to
tell us this shit? "OH, congratulations, yes, you are the biggest selling
dumbfuck out there, and now all the people who bought your garbage can rest
assured that they are completely NORMAL. Yes, if you bought Michael Bolton's
latest smegma you deviate at most .1% from the expected average American
consumer profile and can cease worrying that you have anything resembling
individual taste or a brain, and should continue buying what we tell you to."

Masturbation at its finest. I just hope I don't choke on my vomit while I
laugh :-)

Thanks for letting me rant,
Paul

ONMC: I saw Henry Rollins briefly on MTV last night, talking about his new
recording, Boxed Life - recordings of his spoken word tours. I heard an
excerpt of this on our college station in which he joked about John Bon
Blowme, I nearly peed :-) (I don't think he actually called him that, that's
just me being obscene.) Rollins has always struck me as an interesting guy
and I'd like to hear more of this stuff. He also congratulated Suzanne Vega
for gracefully chopping up Howard Sternman in an interview on his show. Hey
Ben, you still out there? Wanna tell us more about HR?
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:39:06 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      "How It Was"

Bloomdo, thanks for the explication of Grace Slick's family circumstances (even
when I look things up in BOOKS I still make ludicrous mistakes...).  So is Jeff
Darby her OTHER husband?  So am I to take it that Grace left for the Airplane
and Darby didn't go with her?  (or did he go too?)  course it's all medieval
history.  But anyway, I played "How It Was" which started out pretty lame but
you could hear them get warmed up, and when I got to the final tune (called
"Father"--a very bizarre title in my opinion... i.e. in relation to the music),
I couldn't STAND it it was so great.  I kept rewinding the tape so I could play
that last one again and again and again.  It's a straight instrumental, starts
out with sax (that could ALMOST be clarinet but I guess it isn't and that
could ALMOST be Klezmer but I guess it isn't) with a nice wild solo,
then some percussive thuds and then we're in OUTER-WHAMMO-SPACE with the most
!@# guitar solo I've heard in a WHILE.  Maybe some of y'all would just sniff at
it, who knows, but I absolutely went into a tailspin.  If I were Robert Johnson
I'd mosey out to the crossroads and sell my soul to play like that.  THAT is
exactly how I want to play... that solo just crawls out onto a limb and then
it's off in some other dimension.  Could someone else out there who owns "How
It Was" take a listen and tell me what YOU think.  I haven't been so blitzed by
anything in a while (well, at least since yesterday when I fell out over
"Gabriel's Nightmare"...)  Yesterday was quite a day all in all, because I ALSO
played _Transmutation_.  IncrediBOBBLE... Will have to work on a worthy review
but the one thing I truly adored... well, among many things... was that the
fabulous Buckethead was into the thing for ITself and not for HIMself, i.e. he
is "totally awesome" as we cool beans say around here but he didn't dominate
and he knew when to lay back, which is a rare thing for a guitarist that hot.

I liked Bloomdidodoodoo's comment (which I won't be able to reproduce very
well, I fear) that psychedelic music at its best reached out in all directions
and used everything it could, followed all paths... well, how DID you say that
anyway?  But I liked the comment because just yesterday I was wondering, "how
exactly would I define 'psychedelic'" because I seem to be so obsessed with the
stuff recently, yet ... what does the word MEAN (when it comes to music)?
 and I think you just did it.  Even _Transmutation_ seemed to have a pinch of
that psychedelic seasoning... which must mean wandering off into all realms.
Yet Sharrock does that too, but I wouldn't call HIM psychedelic.  Oh well, nuff
already with these definitions.  I refused to take the "take=home exam" because
it contained the filthy word "synthesis."  BOOLLSHEET.

P.S. Bloomdingdong, are you sure that Prof. Toth at Brown isn't Lazlo?

Sonia
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gee, i prefer lemon in my folk, don't you?

woj
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