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From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:27:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <1993Jan7.200914.16689@colorado.edu> Marilyn Walker writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan7.142901.24441@newscan.canada.sun.com> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>>Has anyone out there brought music (tape recorder or
>>radio) into the labour room with them to help them
>>cope/relax, whatever?
>>
>>I am due February 20th and would like to bring in
>>a tape recorder with a bunch of different stuff
>>that I enjoy listening to, (this may sound weird,
>>but I want to tape a bunch of Led Zep songs -the
>>mellower ones! - I find Robert Plant`s voice very
>>soothing for some reason).
>>
>>Anyway, I'm just wondering if it really helps to
>>relax you or is it more irritating and distracting?
>>
>>Any comments on this would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>-Stephanie
>>
>>
>My LDR came with a CD player, so we brought in a stack of CDs.  Before the
>labor got too hard, which was about 7 hours worth, the music was nice.  After
>that we just couldn't have dealt with it!  I think for me it would have
>been distracting, because I sure never asked anyone to put anything on.
>The main thing might be what you got used to when you practiced.  If
>you learn to relax to certain music, then it would probably be very
>helpful and reassuring during labor.  If not, it might well be a
>distraction. Couldn't hurt to bring it along anyway.  We had a long
>period of easy labor, and between walks it was nice to have.
>
>Marilyn 
>mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu
>
 
I'm glad this subject has been brought up because I doubt if I ever
would have thought of it.  I've been wondering what kind of music
I would want to listen to, and to be honest, I think I would be
irritated by almost all of my favorite music during labor!  We do
have some environmental sounds CDs and I think they would work.
The Electrifying Thunderstorms puts me to sleep so fast I've never
heard the ending!  Sounds of a Meadow is a nice one although I'm
wondering if those bees might get on my nerves.  As Reid (?) suggested,
we also have a discman and mini speakers so that would be ideal and
not take up much space.  I definitely want to pack this along!!
Thanks for the suggestion and discussion.
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
...and who just can't imagine hearing "Friends in Low Places", "Honky
Cat", or "Road to Nowhere" during labor pain!!!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Subject: Re: Wonderful things they say (2.75 years)
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:46:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.172044.12073@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky) writes:
 
>
>
>Adrienne and I were sharing the second half of a pint of frozen yogurt.
>When I scooped the last bit into her bowl the conversation went as
>follows:
>
>Adrienne:       Is it all gone, mommy?
>Me:             Yes it is, sweetheart.
>Adrienne:       I want to see it's all gone.
>        (I show her the empty container)
>Adrienne:       But I wanted to save some for daddy.
>
>Luckily, I explained daddy had a different flavor in the freezer.
>It makes you feel you're doing SOMETHING right :-)
>
>
Yeah, mine's getting SOO sweet, too (She's 2.5)
The other day she's stroking my head and suddenly says:" Mommy, you
got SUCH pretty hair." - I haven't heard anybody compliment me on
my hair since - let me think - birth? (my birth!)
 
Or yesterday, after trying to get her to go to sleep for 3! hours,
I finally snug out to go to the lab (11PM).  When I came back, my
husband told me that she came back in the living room, looking for
me and while snuggling with him said:"Daddy, she didn't even say
good bye." (So it really DOES matter)
 
Or: "Mommy, do nou love daddy?" (she can't quite pronounce a "y"
"Yes, I do"
"I love Daddy, too"
"You do?"
"Yea," then she thinks for a while and says:" Mommy, nou know what,
we BOTH love Daddy" (I think Daddy should feel really good about being
loved THAT much!)
 
Stephanie
>
>        ***********************************************************
>        *                                                         *
>        *   Gail Karlovsky      (gail.karlovsky@att.com)          *
>        *                       (mom to Adrienne - born 4/30/90)  *
>        *                                                         *
>        *                                                         *
>        *   The ideas expressed here are mine and do not          *
>        *   reflect the opinions of my employer.                  *
>        *                                                         *
>        ***********************************************************
>
>
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:14:35 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET writes:
>Regarding changing clothes before bed.  Lisa asked if it is okay to leave
>the baby in the daytime clothing at night.  My baby was born the same day

>when she is wearing fleece pants and shirt I leave her in those.  Why do
>twice the laundry?  Do others always change into night time clothing?

I change my 7 month old daughter's clothes for two reasons.  One is 
to establish a nighttime ritual. That is, before naps we don't change 
clothes, but at bedtime we do. This seems to help in establishing the 
difference between going to bed for naps and going to bed for the night.
She isn't really old enough for stories yet (I keep trying), so this
is one of the few ways of really differentiating the two.

The second reason is safety, although I'm less sure about this issue.
I try to put her in clothes that are sold as pajamas, so they have been
treated with a flame retardant.  However, most of her clothes are hand-me-
downs, and have been washed a zillion times.  So probably the flame
retardant is all washed out anyway.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 7 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion)
Subject: Re: Planning babies
Reply-To: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:11:46 GMT

In article <9301042032.AA28372@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, statar@ihlpb.att.com writes:
>I'd like some views from you misc.kidders on
>when to have another baby.  I have two daughters,
>born 4/26/90 and 5/22/92.  We would like to have
>our third child be at least 2 years but no more than
>3 years younger than Kathy.  We have both always
>liked spring birthdays best, but this summer we
>were somewhat trapped inside by having a baby too
>young to go out much, she couldn't open her eyes
>outside when it was sunny and bright!  So now we
>are considering a fall baby so that the baby will
>be old enough to take out and go in the pool in
>the summertime.  I'm thinking of Feb. or March of 95,
>my husband thinks we should go for Sept. or later
>of 94.  

[rest deleted]

Wow.  It must be wonderful to plan a pregnancy down to the
nanosecond!  Most couples in my age group (late 30's, early 40's)
would be thrilled to conceive at all.  My husband and I have
a close knit group of friends who are all trying to make a baby.
One couple ended up adopting, another conceived after trying for a
whole year, another unsuccessfully tried in vitro, and 3 other
couples are currently trying with no success as yet.

More power to you if you can make a baby at your whim.  But,
please let me in on your secret!

Toni
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Disposables question
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:25:20 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>How are you supposed to check if those water-tight, "stay dry"
>disposables have urine in them without fully undressing the poor kid?

There is always the simple "poke" test.  Poke at the diaper with your
finger.  If it stays indented, it's pretty wet and needs to be changed.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Keywords: circ
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:00:57 GMT

 Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
in their January issue in an article authored by two women,Kathrine
Karlsrud,MD and Dodi Shultz.
The article purports to be an unbiased article (informational) on
circumcision. Rather it turns out to be a highly pro-biased article
on the subject. In fact the so called PRO-ARGUMENTS are stated in
more than 75% of the article.                    
For all informational reasons the article could have been written more
than forty years ago.

Circumcision they chirp is guaranteed to prevent penile cancer.
They then state this cancer is already a low incidence disease,but
insert the word "realtively rare" rather than simply stating the truth,
its exceptionally rare. One case in about 100,000 in Europe. They omit
any actual statistics ofcourse.

They then move on to the latest Scare Tactic, Urinary Tract Infections.
Again,they state no statistics and simply imply circumcision IS a
good UTI preventative. Actually, UTI in males is very low and in the
uncircumcised baby about one in 1000. The chances of a baby being still
born are greater by a factor of ten!
They then through implication indicate UTIs ARE SERIOUS!
Actually UTI in infancy is frequently misdiagnosed and only very rarely
results in any complication and remits spontaneously.

Ofcourse none of these facts are given!

Then they move into an area that is absolutely false,that lack
of circumcision results in increased incidence of cervical cancer in
women. In truth both penile and cervical cancer are the result of viruses
and neither disease can be prevented by circumcision.

But  the most out rageous reason these dittys give they keep for
last. Just incase you thought you might not circumcise.

If a boy notices he is different than his father,they stress,he may
not be able to form a firm male self-image.
On what research basis such an idiotic statement is based is not
included. For good reason,there are none!

And then they appeal to the conformity instict. Check with your
doctor to see what circumcision rates are in your area. You boy
will not wish to be different. 
Yes,through this implication we can see where all neighborhoods
should be of a particular skin color or ethnic orientation.


These women appear to wish to please their publisher,Joachim Rosier
rather than truly providing accurate information for parents to
truly make an informed and thoughtful choice.


--
            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
 The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
 palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.-H.L.Mencken
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Re: Amoxicillin Rash?
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:09:34 GMT

In article <C0HLnw.Csn@unix.amherst.edu> njamal@unix.amherst.edu (Nuhad Jamal) writes:
>My 8-month-old (today!) has been on amoxicillin since last Wednesday
>to clear up his first ear infection (both ears were infected).  I
>had to take him to the Ped (not our regular Dr. who is on vacation)
>because he developed a rash all over his body (except for his
>tummy and back).  The Dr. said that it was an amoxicillin rash,
>that it was harmless, common, and that I should continue to give
>him his medicine till it is finished on Friday.  Has anyone ever
>heard of this.  I've always believed that rashes are symptoms of
>some underlying problem...  Any thoughts?

*PLEASE* get another doctor's opinion. Amoxicillin (Penicillin)
allergies are nothing to be fooled around with. If it were my
child, I would not give that medicine to the baby again if s/he
had *any* kind of reaction to it.  I'm not saying that's it's going
to definitely have any long term effects but if you took something
that gave you a rash all over your body would *you* want to take
it again? :-)

>Thanks,
>Nuhad Jamal

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tini@iss.nus.sg (Surjatini Widjojo)
Subject: Re: Cutting it off (was: A few facts about circumcision)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:17:47 GMT

kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

: having braces put on is no picnic...in short, it HURTS.  And why do we do
: it?  Is anyone really going to die from an incredible overbite? 

I'm not a dentist, just one adult that got her teeth "fixed" as an
adult. Braces ensures better bite, thus better chewing; misaligned
chewing may cause TMJ (aching jaws). It is not just *purely cosmetic*.
It is not just incredible overbite. It helps align teeth for better
cutting and chewing. To me, braces to fix teeth are at the same level
as glasses/contacts/radial keratonomy to fix eyesight.

In my case, my canine tooth is missing and the rest are misaligned. It
is generally believed that the canine anchors the rest of the teeth.
My sister also has a missing canine and didn't get "fixed"; now her
teeth are quite lopsided. This may affect your speech as you get
older. This is not the reason why I got mine fixed. Somehow, I have
"internal abruption" (rare case where the nerves eat up the tooth from
the inside) on the tooth that takes the place of the canine. I am in
danger of losing that tooth. Yes, sure a false teeth can be put in,
but it can't act as anchor; so I could lose half my teeth. False teeth
is no fun. Ever try chewing gum or Eating toffee with false teeth?
Give me pain and braces any day.

: Are parents being abusive of their children when they make them
: undergo orthodontia against their will?  Should we change things so that the
: kid gets to make the decision?  (I can think of any number of parents who
: wouldn't mind *not* financing their orthodontist's kid education by letting
: their kid wait until they're grown and have to pay the bills
themselves).

I wished my parents had my teeth fixed as a child. I wouldn't mind
paying them back plus interest. Doing it as an adult means I have to
permanently wear retainers at nights. Not to mention it takes longer.
Teeth are easier moved and remain that way when its fixed at
childhood. I don't think it is easy to fix teeth of any child without
his/her cooperation. You need to do all sorts of things with rubber
bands that a parent or dentist can't just enforce.

: And yes...I've also known my share of people who got braces when they were
: grown up.  People whose teeth didn't look too terribly out of line

Have you asked them for their reasons? I'm sure they have very good
reasons to pay the $$$. To finance their orthodontist's kid education?
NOT.

--
   Surjatini Widjojo (tini@iss.nus.sg)
   Institute of Systems Science                           Ph: +65 772-6240 
   National University of Singapore                      FAX: +65 778-2571
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Home Diaper washing question
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:10:30 GMT

I'm the one who started this query and have had some *great*
responses.  BTW, Bleach DOES kill the bacteria.  Now my question
is, does anyone know if Borax or Vinegar will as well?

thanks in advance,

allen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Planning babies
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:30:49 GMT

In article <19930105102654SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
>>We too are thinking about when to get pregnant again.  It's a hard
>>call-- we don't want the children to be too far apart in age, but if we
>>have twins again (we're more likely), it might be nice to have Gennie
>>and Leo fully potty trained first.
> 
>I always heard parents talk about getting that potty training done
>before the next child arrived.  It never bothered me (still doesn't)
>if I'd have two children in diapers at one time.  I figure I'd rather
>the diaper time overlap and be shorter overall than get it all over
>with and then start over.  Am I the only person who thinks this way?
> 

  Nope.  I've got advice not to bother potty training if you're in
  your last few months of a pregnancy because the toddler will only
  regress when the baby gets here.  My son is all ready, he knows
  all about it and will urinate in the potty when his diaper is off.
  However I'm not pressuring him to keep dry, or to poop in the potty
  since he says he doesn't want to (he prefers to stand).  

  Most people I know say not to potty train within months of a big
  change (i.e. new baby, daycare change).  Also they say it is easier
  to change diapers than to keep reminding the child to go to the
  potty every hour, or to have to find a bathroom when you're away
  from home (dragging infant newborn along).

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:11:16 GMT

Egads!  When I saw the subject in this thread, I thought: "What a wonderful
idea to have the baby arrive in this world to the sound of great music!"
But the discussions seem to focus totally on the effect of the music on the
mother rather than the child.  Am I the only one to find that disappointing,
or is that because I'm a man?!?  I know many women play music during
pregnancy primarily for the benefit of the fetus, so to my mind selecting
music during labor should consider the child more than the mother.  How about
something like "Also Sprach Zarathustra (sp?)" or "Fanfare for the Common
Man"?  Or the Olympic theme?!?  Wouldn't it be fun to try to time the moment of
delivery with the climax in the music?  THAT should provide some distraction
from the pain!

Okay, so flame me.  I love flames in this Chicago winter!
==
Peter Chen
pwyc@ihspa.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help!  Baby fusses at breast--
From: kerry@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:00:36 GMT
Organization: The Cave MegaBBS, Public Access Usenet, Wellington, NZ

In article <1993Jan10.034708.22762@news.acns.nwu.edu> connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger) writes:
>Sometimes when I feed Morris, my 2-week-old, he will latch on, nurse
>for a minute or two, and then start to cry and struggle (arching his
>back, kicking, and pulling his head back).  He'll be okay for another
>minute after I take him off the breast and put him back on, and then
>he'll start to fuss again.
B
>
>He's not particularly fussy between feedings, and sometimes he's calm
>during a feeding.  A burp, passing gas, or a bowel movement during a
>feeding will sometimes calm him, but not always.
>
>Does anyone have any insight?  I suspect it may be gas or
>uncomfortable peristalsis stimulated by feeding that he'll eventually
>outgrow, but I sure would like to make him more comfortable now if
>possible.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Connie (Morris's mom)

Hi Connie.......welll...
 
This is a bit of a tricky one...I have had this reaction from babies for various reasons....sometimes it's because the milk is coming too fast, at the letdown, and the baby can't cope well with the flow.  I found a few ways to cope with this...take him off for a minute or two to let the flow subside...or feed lying down, with the baby on top, so gravity can slow down the flow.  ?The most helpful thing was when I realised that I had a "fast" and a "slow" breast.  If my baby was really starving and awake, he

 
would cope well with the fast breast....if he was sleepy or just wanted to suck for comfort I used the "slow" side.
 
Another cause of this behaviour I found to me getting overfull with a quick flow.  I helped that by feeding for a minute or two, then walking around for a bit to let the bubbles burst. 
 
I find that some babies who are being bottle *and* breast fed exhibit this behaviour two...they become used to the fast flow, and sucking style of the bottle, and are very frustrated by the change to the breast and it's different sucking and flow style.  It's a form of nipple confusion, thet I find id helped best by withdrawing all forms of sucking except those at the breast.  Little babies have a lot to learn!
 
Another possible cause could be a slow let-down reflex.  Massaging the breasts and "twiddling" the nipples before feeding helps the flow to start quickly....some babies are very impatient!  Massaging during a feed helps to release more milk too........
 
Hope thses ideas help....breatfeeding is an art, and it can take a little while to co-ordinate everything at first...but it's very well worth it.  Keep up the good work with your new baby and try to RELAX :-) :-) 
 
Best wishes....Kerry 


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Kids&Fighting
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:03:17 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


I'm new to misc.kids, so please excuse me if this subject has been
done to death before.

An event on the teevee show _Home Improvement_ last night leads me
to ask the net: What do you tell your kids about fighting? What do
you do when they get in a fight?

Scenario (from _Home Improvement_): Another kid was teasing Brad
(called him a "diaper-baby"), so Brad punched him, resulting in a 
fight, the principal sending a note home, etc. Brad ended up being
grounded. The father's advice was that Brad should "learn to laugh
with the other kid."

I consider the father's advice to be highly unrealistic, as I think 
we can all think of past experiences wherein we were teased/insulted
mercilessly by another kid to the point where, if we _didn't_ punch 
them, we later wished we had.

Anyway, watching this on teevee, I was wondering about the following
things:

"Would I punish my kid for this?"

"If so, how?"

"What advice could I give them to help in the future?"

"How can I tell my kid when it's okay and when it's not okay to
defend ones' self?"

"How do I treat my kid if he gets in a fight that someone else
started?"

I'd appreciate hearing any thoughts y'all might have. If you e-mail
me, I'll summarize and post.

Thanks!

Craig
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From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: Let's get practical (was: Why Circumcise?)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:21:00 GMT

In article <765346d7533481t233@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
>In <gdavis.726012330@griffin>, gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)  wrote:
># Circumcision is socially sanctioned child abuse without a doubt.
>
>  So, besides annoying the Net, what are you doing about it?

Well, do you agree or disagree with the claim?  If you agree, what are YOU
doing about it?  If not, why do you disagree?  Maybe you should try
alt.activism and stop "annoying the Net" here.

Jim Copeland
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Have you washed your brain today?
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