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From: wagnerp@cuug.ab.ca (Paul Wagner)
Subject: beatles on broadway
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:53:11 GMT

A friend of mine told me of a Beatles book called _Beatles on
Broadway_, which documents their U.S. tour.  He found it in
a small Ontario town, in an old general store, still wrapped
in plastic selling for 39 cents!  So, he bought it.  Any ideas
if this book is a collectors item, and what it might be worth.
I never heard of this book before. Thanks, Paul Wagner.
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Big Mac's "Deliverence"
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:59:30 GMT
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In article <1100.9301241416@csparc12.scs.leeds.ac.uk> ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk writes:

Just a quick note, after conferring with my record retailer today:

A 12-inch single (yes, VINYL -- easier for DJ's to mix from then CD's)
of "Deliverance" (tracks unknown, but probably the same contents as the CD)
is expected later this week.

A domestic (US) CD release is expected, but has not been announced by our
friends in the tower at Capitol.

That is all

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
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From: mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Please teach me .
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:07:27 -0500
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I'm an utter heathen from India, so i tremble to say anything about the
Judeo-Christian tradition, but isn't it YHWH, not JHVA? That's what I
gathered from `Foucault's Pendulum' (Umberto Eco), anyway.
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:07:50 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

weiss@turing.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:

>Plenty has been discussed about how music would have been different had Buddy
>Holly lived.  I can't help but wonder about the Big Bopper and Richard
>Valensuela (Richie Valens).  I know little about either (basically Chantilly
>Lace and La Bamba are the first that come to mind) or where their music was
>going.  Any speculations on this?

The Big Bopper's real name was J.P. Richardson, and at 26, was the
oldest of the four people who died in the plane crash on 2 Feb 1959. 
He was a DJ of some notoriety.  "Chantilly Lace" was a novelty
record that happened to score big on the charts.  Had he lived, it
is unlikely that he would have had any more hits, and it certainly
would have had no impact on the Beatles.

Valens is an interesting question though.  He was killed at age
19, and had shown promise as a composer with songs like "Donna" and
"Come On Let's Go", as well as a terrific adaptation of "La Bamba".
"La Bamba" was quite an important record in my opinion, as it
was the first big rock-n-roll hit to be sung in another language
besides English, and was one of the first to incorporate ethnic
music.  Had he lived, perhaps he would have experimented more
with the music of his Latin roots.  This may have had an
influence on those to follow, including the Beatles.   It is
hard to say, though, since he died at such a young age.

The "La Bamba" film contains many inaccuracies.  Richie was in fact a 
quiet, heavy-set guy who looked or performed nothing like Lou Diamond 
Phillips in the film.  His family never did migrant farm work; he
grew up in San Fernando, California, which is a suburb of L.A.



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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Cover parodies: Abbey Road
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:09:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.163421.2487@vixvax.mgi.com> dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com writes:
>> The Red Hot Chile Peppers "abbey road ep" in which they walk across Abbey 
>> Road naked, except for sweat socks on their members!
>
>OK, folks. We're starting to go down that repetitious road, again.
>
>If you haven't seen the Beatles novelty list yet, please check it out before
>posting "new" entries. Just e-mail me and I'll be glad to send it.
>
>Moko
>(Waiting for the boot album with saki crossing Abbey Road wearing a
> Beatlefest t-shirt)

Only if Beatlefest pays my roundtrip airfare, plus expenses. And I'm
fairly expensive. :-) I'm also a little reluctant to advertise a
company I don't wholeheartedly believe in (viz., their recent
holiday shipping debacle). I *will* be delighted to wear a "Brooke
Bond Scottish Blend Tea Merchants" t-shirt, however, if they'll
just send me one. And I'll cross any street they suggest, as long
as it's not against traffic.

--
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have made *THE* RECORD OF THE YEAR!"
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From: gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatle 3/4 Reunion
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:33:51 GMT

In <s0730076.13.0@let.rug.nl> s0730076@let.rug.nl (W.J. van de Vis) writes:

>old guys back together situation"! John is dead, the Beatles are dead, sad 
>but true. 

Maybe so, but these other three aint dead, so please don't bury them quit yet..
..if you don't want to hear anything they play together then you just turn off
your music thingy..
				Regards,
					Gaukur.
ES, Maybe they should just drop the Lennon letters and call themselves
'The Beats' (Just a thought. :^)
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: "Off The Ground" Preview
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:04:41 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
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Capitol has apparently cleared selected radio stations in selected cities
to play "Off the Ground" on the airwaves -- in it's entirety!   The preview
in Houston is tonight - call your favorite local radio station to see whether
they will be previewing the disc.

Also, for the record, the "Hope of Deliverance" video is finally receiving
some airplay on MTV, although it appears to be in light rotation.

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: Michelle...year???
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:05:33 GMT

1965/1966, among others.
It was released December, 1965, on the _Rubber Soul_ LP.
It's been covered who knows how many times.
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From: afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: Parodies of Abbey Road cover
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:42 EST  

In article <1993Jan18.070301.1179@netcom.com>, bml@netcom.com (Brian Leibowitz) writes...
>I have seen many parodies of the Abbey Road cover and was wondering how
>many have been done.  I have three that I have and can remember:
> 
>Ivor Biggun - Partners in Grime - Dead Badger Records BIGG 1
>     (no Beatles novelty or references on record)
> 
>Elena Duran & Stephan Grappelli - Yesterday/A recollection of the Beatles
> 
>The Ruttles (not on the cover, but in booklet.)  (lots of other covers are
>                                                  parodied also)
> 
>Could people send me any others they know of?  (also parodies of any other
>beatles covers)
> 
>Thanks,
>Brian       bml@netcom.com

The Red Hot Chile Peppers "abbey road ep" in which they walk across Abbey 
Road naked, except for sweat socks on their members!


Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
From: weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sugar Plum Fairy ???
Keywords: Sergeant Pepper, Lou Reed, Transformer
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:43:16 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <8268@kielo.uta.fi> tipeve@uta.fi (Pertti Vehkalahti) writes:
>I recently saw a document about the making of Sergeant Pepper.
>There was some talk about one song (I can't remember which one) on the album.
>Their producer told that "John said twice "Sugar Plum Fairy, Sugar Plum Fairy"
>and started to sing."

I'm sure plenty will point out that this was "A Day In The Life."  I wonder,
though, why it is that the remixes of ADITL that appear on Unsurpassed Masters
have a lead-in of the typical "1, 2, 3, 4" instead of the "Sugarplum Fairy"
that was shown in "The Making of..."

>Or, if Sugar Plum Fairy is just some English/American folklore or some common
>knowledge to native English-speakers, please let me know anyway. :)

It is a name out of folklore, but I truly can't remember exactly from where.
Some fairy tale, I believe.
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From: David.Thomas@brunel.ac.uk (David Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Parodies of Abbey Road cover
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:13:51 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1993Jan18.070301.1179@netcom.com> bml@netcom.com (Brian Leibowitz) writes:
>
>Could people send me any others they know of?  (also parodies of any other
>beatles covers)


My favourite is the EP on Stiff records circa 1975 by Roogalator
(Danny Adler's Band of the time) titled WITH THE ROOGALATOR

all the publicity sleeve notes were a parody of With The Beatles too,
including the EMITEX advert.

Of course the music on it couldn't be less Beatle like (Cincinatti
Fatback, etc.).

According to a history of Stiff records, the record was withdrawn
after complaints (threats perhaps) from EMI.

David Thomas
Brunel University Library
Uxbridge
UK
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: Parodies of Abbey Road cover
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:37:19 GMT

The picture sleeve to "Land of Confusion" by Genesis is a parody of the _With
The Beatles_ cover.
I've also seen an LP by a 5 or 6 member black group that is a parody of this
as well.
Of course, there's also a series of bootlegs that are parodies of Beatles
covers, like Withered Beatles, Beatles for Auction, Fuck! (Help!), Mellow
Yellow (Yellow Submarine), Revolting (Revolver), Rabbi Saul, etc...
And there's the Return to Abbey Road album that has a shot of them going the
other way on the road.
And the original Get Back album was a take-off on Please Please Me's cover.
Golden Throats (on Rhino Records) is a parody of the Sgt. Pepper cover, and
contains covers of a couple of Beatles numbers.
I've seen an LP of press conferences with The Beatles that's a parody of the
British _A Hard Day's Night_ LP cover.

etc...
From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Beatles Sell Out
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:17:04 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
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saki (dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu) wrote:

: In article <1993Jan21.152952.10662@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> wfsq_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Billy the Kidd) writes:

: I think what's happened is a wholesale misunderstanding of the role of
: the Beatles in a multipart documentary, now in production under the
: auspices of Apple Productions Ltd. The remaining Fabs have agreed to
: be interviewed for this series, which is not a sitcom, not a drama,
: but rather a historical review of the Boys' career. At the moment,
: this unnamed documentary (once called "The Long And Winding Road", a
: title now dropped) has completed its look at the Beatles' career in
: years 1962, 1963, and 1964. The remainder of their musical and cultural
: impact will be discussed in subsequent parts; each year of the Beatles'
: recording life will make up a separate approximately-75-minute episode.

I hope and pray that songs included in the documentaries will be
complete and not excerts, particulary if TV/concert footage is used.

Regards

Dave

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: "Here's the first big chart-busting bombshell of '63!!!! The Beatles
: have made *THE* RECORD OF THE YEAR!"
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Latinesque music in pop: corrections
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:39:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.011828.11522@unocal.com> stsslxs@st.unocal.com (Luis Sandoval) writes:
[quoting me]:
>>Latin influence was also heard in the jazz-crossover hit "Watermelon
>>Man" by the group Mongo Santamaria (1962, covering Herbie Hancock's
>>original).
>
>Mongo Santamaria is person not a group.

Yes, like Manfred Mann's a person, not a group. :-) True, Ramon "Mongo"
Santamaria was an individual, but he worked with an ensemble of varied
jazz artists, including this 19*63* hit. More accurately it's "Mongo
Santamaria's group", I suppose, but I'm used to thinking of him as a
collective entity. Let us not get into a discussion of who Jethro Tull
was. :-)

>I enjoyed your analysis of one of my favorite musical forms.

I regret to say I made one rather horrific error. The Olympics are
not Hispanic, of course, but a black R&B group from Compton, a
section of South-Central Los Angeles. I can't imagine what was
clouding my mind; too much haggis yesterday, perhaps.

In their place, I'll be happy to submit Thee Midnighters ("Whittier 
Boulevard"), The Premiers ("Farmer John"), and Chan Romero, whose
"Hippy Hippy Shake" so enraptured Paul McCartney that he learned the
song for inclusion in the Fabs' Cavern lineup in Liverpool. Romero
was arguably Hispanic in origin, and spent a fair part of his
career recording in LA, but was actually a native of Billings,
Montana.

Other minor logistcal corrections, for those keeping score (or
checking up on me with their copy of Whitburn): Domingo Saimundio,
a.k.a. Sam the Sham, was actually from Dallas, so perhaps his
influence was more Tex-Mex; Mongo Santamaria was born in Cuba,
though had African affiliations too in Senegal and Yoruba; and
Rudy Martinez, a.k.a. Question Mark (of the Mysterians) was
born in Mexico but raised in Saginaw, Michigan, which must have
created an interesting heritage hybrid.

I'm not sure how much of this actually influenced the Beatles,
though, except for the obvious Chan Romero and possibly Richie
Valens connections. Cannibal and the Headhunters actually opened
for the Fabs during a portion of the 1965 American tour, but I
think one could safely call their influence on the Boys minimal.

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"Here's the first big chart-busting bombshell of '63!!!! The Beatles
have made *THE* RECORD OF THE YEAR!"
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saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)-----------
From: dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Cover parodies: read the list
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:34:21 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

> The Red Hot Chile Peppers "abbey road ep" in which they walk across Abbey 
> Road naked, except for sweat socks on their members!

OK, folks. We're starting to go down that repetitious road, again.

If you haven't seen the Beatles novelty list yet, please check it out before
posting "new" entries. Just e-mail me and I'll be glad to send it.

Moko
(Waiting for the boot album with saki crossing Abbey Road wearing a
 Beatlefest t-shirt)

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson)
Subject: Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:02:59 GMT

In article <9220@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:
>In article <randall.727578470@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>>Valens is an interesting question though.
>[...]
>>"La Bamba" was quite an important record in my opinion, as it
>>was the first big rock-n-roll hit to be sung in another language
>>besides English, and was one of the first to incorporate ethnic
>>music.
>Does this mean that Latin music could have really become a well-followed style
>that early?  I just note that there was little prominence in Latin music styles
>until the 80s, when the Miami Sound Machine, coupled with the popularity of
>Miami Vice, helped to propel Latin music and culture into the mainstream.
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	Aside from the plethora of groups (who apparently carved out a 
	sizeable musical niche, esp. in California) listed by Saki in a recent
	posting, there was and is (Carlos) Santana -- quite contemporary to 
	the Beatles, at least early on.  
	
	Obligatory Beatles ref:  the little guitar bit at the beginning of
	Bungalow Bill?  Were those nimble fingers Johns'?

				Nat Pearson
				raindrop@leland.stanford.edu


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From: wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Paul's new song
Reply-To: wrw5473@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:06:58 GMT

Allright.  Obviously a few people came in late, so here's a recap:
Macca released a single to dance clubs in Britain, called "Deliverance",
which is a techno remix of all the tracks on the upcoming album,
"Off the Ground", due out Feb 9.  He did it as a lark, but within  less
than a week it was #9 on the Dance charts.  Only five hundred were pressed,
and due to their scarcity they're pretty much sold out, in high demand,
and causing the rest of us to complain and hold our collective breaths
until they give a second pressing(preferably much larger).
   As for Hope of Deliverance, the cassette single came out this week,
and most people don't even know of its existence, hence there are few
sales.  The CD single was delayed for release, officially, for domestic
US until next week(or this week, the week of Jan 24th, at any rate).
I just happened to get it early because I go to a store that doesn't
care about official anything and wanted to get all the early buyers,
so I have it: it contains four tracks: Hope of Deliverance, Long Leather
Coat(both on the cassette) and Big Boys Bickering, and Kicked Around No
More(only on CD).  Only Hope of Deliverance is from "Off The Ground".
The rest are extras.  Otherwise, the import versions are out there already.
And at least in Rochester New York, they aren't playing the song because
it doesn't fit their demographics(female, ages 18 to 24).  This is what
a DJ told me from when he asked his manager, trying to fulfill a request
earlier in the evening than mine for the song.  Personally, this is
ludicrous!  You'd be hard pressed to find a song girls would like more,
I should think- It's very romantic, very beautiful.  So far I've gotten
four girls between the ages of 18 and 24(grin) to call the station and
request the song, going for more soon.  Wish me luck!
                            Walter White
                            WRW5473@isc.rit.edu
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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Re: Big Mac's "Deliverence"
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:06:23 GMT

edward s. chen (edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu) wrote:
: 
: Incidentally, has anyone out there seen the "Hope of Deliverance" video
: which Paul apparently filmed in London late last year?
: 

By sheer fluke I saw this.

Shots of Paul & band playing on raised podium in an almost jungle like
quantity of potted plants.  Adoring fans jigging away around him.

Only bit that caught my eye was the very very brief appearance of a
coal miner.  Subtle local UK political point  :-)

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
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From: jvaleu@boi.hp.com (John Valeu)
Subject: Beatle Recording Anomalies
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:12:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

About 6-8 months ago I seem to remember someone having compiled
a list of anomalies that can be heard on the Beatles CD releases.
Things like laughing, air conditioning equipment, comments made 
during the recording that somehow made it into the final mix of
the song(s)...etc.

Was I dreaming or was (is) a list like that available?  I am in 
the process of reading the Lewisohn books (Complete Beatles Recordings
at Abbey Road and Complete Beatles Chronicles) and some of these are
eluded to (here and there), but it seems to me I've seen a nicely 
compiled list somewhere (maybe it was the quart of tequila...and a
real bad burrito).


thanks for any help....

John V.
From: gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Twist&Shout/La Bamba (was:Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?)
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:52:26 GMT

>In a I-IV-V progression in our example of C major, the I is C major, the IV
>is F major, and the V is G major.

Since I've never quite understood this (and all the 'notes on' use this),
how would the progression 'C F F# G' be written?  (I IV ? V).

				Ignorantly
					Gaukur.z
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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Notes on "It's Only Love" (IOL)
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:32:09 GMT


while Alan talked about flat VII - V blue relation, I remembered
that in _Yes It Is_ there was more or less the same progression
(well, we had there D6 - B7). Could it be seen just like a 
chromatic pseudo-cadenza? Indeed, looking for example at the C
key, we have the movement Bb-B-C ...
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"home" email: mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it
From: weiss@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Michelle...year???
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:44:51 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <jsull-200193163534@bluto.pica.army.mil> jsull@pica.army.mil (J. Sullivan) writes:
>What year was Michelle released/popular?

It is on the British Rubber Soul, which was released in 1965.
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