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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:21:00 JST
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From:         Akio Tanaka <TANAKA%JPNSUT20.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Gleanings (39)

Carol and then Karen said (10 Apr 92):

cg=> we should speak... and it all finally died out (I understand) with the
cg=> widespread dissemination of dictionaries, which serve almost the same
cg=> purpose.

kk=> Huh?  They ain't got no dictionaries in France or what?

kk=> Also, Japan makes the best dictionaries in the entire world and they
                                                                     ^^^^
kk=> have the Mombusho to tell them how to speak and write. No way does
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
kk=> one substitute for the other.

kk=> Karen
==========
Huh?  The Mombusho (Ministry of Education) do not tell us how to speak and
write.  Or am I missing something here?
***************************************

Cherry blossoms are gone and the new academic year has finally started
here, just like the last year.  If there were no students and no classes
to teach, life at the university would be much more pleasant :-)
Just kidding.

Anyway ---  Gleanings, Number 39.  Arigato gozaimasu. (bow, bow)

Akio Tanaka/13 Apr 92
=====================
 1) TeX/KAN (Don R.)
 2) "The Kool-Aid Wino" in Richard Braudigan's _Trout Fishing in America_ (Les)
 3) "Tell Laura I Love Her"/"Teen Angel"/"I Want My Baby Back" (Chris S./Ronin)
 4) Earl Butz (Ken W.)
 5) Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber (Ken W.)
 6) T pass (Rita)
 7) Testicular Self Examination (Scott)
 8) SOR method (Rita)
 9) Neuromancer (Anne Hr.)
10) Amanda Payes (Chris S.)
11) GEAC Advance Library System (Dan)
12) _Cinders and Smoke_ (Steve K.)
13) From Baggage to Zuse (Chris S.)
14) _Spartacus_ (Ken W.)
15) IRC/InitGame (Frank P.)
16) Rocko/Filmor X. Smith (Steve P.)
17) Marmite (Anne Hy.)
18) Acqeduct (Neal)
19) Derek Jacobi (Frank P.)
20) Ultra-Barf (Don M.)
21) Erin Go Bragh/Braghless (Barbara)
22) ABD/DP (Janet)
23) Dizzy Dean (Michael M.)
24) Fnord (Adam H.)
25) Jeane Dixon (Natalie)
26) MacDwell Colony (Dan)
27) James Anderton (Graham)
28) 'Friends of Fernando Poo' (Graham)
29) Walter Winchell/Sid Skolsky (Leah)
30) Pit-bull sense of humor (Frank P.)
31) Comminglings (Steve K.)
32) Gredanken expreriment (Graham)
33) POP2 (Graham)
34) ROT13 (Aaron)
35) Tenderloin district (Steve K.)
36) Archtung Fingerpokers (Graham)
37) Honda coma (Brad)
38) Schedule A/C (Rod)
39) Chris Mohoney (Tushar)
40) Lisa Loopner/Bill Murray's Todd Delamuca (Neal)
41) 'Peccavi' joke (Graham)
42) Berries Goodman/The Prince of Central Park (Steve P.)
43) Gordon Liddy (Judith)
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*** Resending note of 04/06/92 14:24

>regarding dbfabak (?)'s note about making the bad coffee for the officers...
>That's called PASSIVE AGGRESSION, and I brought it to high art when I was in
>the convent.   I hear you, brother (or sister)

Aggressive? Me?  Never!  Carol, you just don't know my peaceful ways!

                          Peace,
                                Don


        /\_____/\
       -/ ''''' \-
        {''o o''}   Muffy here .... master may not be aggressive, but I
        {  \^/  }   I don't take any nonsense from anyone  ... not even
       ////'''\\\\  Bernard ...but I really do think of him as a friend.
                    Even if he does have to ride in a Honda.
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Yo!

Gripeth       Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>

> I hesitate to say that I'm here too, since last time I did so I got
> flamed by some net.annoying.person who said I should use a local test
> group for such messages.

     If it becomes a problem, we could always invoke the WORDS-L
vengenance.  Everybody cc's all of their WORDS-L messages to the
bloke.  Let's see a non-bwp crawl out of that.

The Ronin
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats

Replieth      Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>

> achievement on my part.  In the last few years I've decided that part of
> his reason for doing this was that he had a big thing about humility,
> and didn't want me to get stuck on myself (not a big problem---I had a
> world-class inferiority complex), and part of it was because he thought
> he was encouraging me to try harder and accomplish more.

     These were some of the reasons my mother gave when confronted at
the time.  Comparing notes with my sister, however, it would seem that
my mother was trying to live vicariously through us.  She was a high
school drop-out (married my father, thought not because she 'had' to,
unless I almost two years from conception to birth) and always felt
inferior because of it.  She used to take great joy in bragging about
how superior her children were.  It was interesting my sophomore year
when one of our friends had a son my age who was matching my academics
*and* lettering in a sport.  For the first time since third grade I
was encouraged to take up a sport.  Hell of a coincidence.  Her memory
of that year is that I almost flunked half my courses, my transcript
speaks differently.

The Ronin      WHITERJ@MSCD.BITNET      WHITERJ@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Yo!
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              16, 92 6:20 pm

	Hey Lobstrosity!  I'm on, too, naughty thing that I am.


Rita
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Multiple sclerosis, from Gayle McKay

Dear Gayle,

I re-read your letter again this morning, and indeed it is a most beautiful
letter and makes my small involvement seem so insignificant.  I have a very
dear family friend with MS (almost 10 years now), but sadly her life is fast
approaching its final reward.  Only thru my witness of the drastic changes
in her life can I understand a little of yours.  I do not think your
suggestion "....to smell the roses" is trivial.  As one who has had two
beautiful marriages end in death, I do appreciate the many things in life
we tend to take for granted ...and sometimes lose perspective of what things
are really important.  My year in DaNang (68 Tet Offensive) taught me a lot
about things we take for granted and how brief life can be (I would never
want to re-live that year, but don't regret the experience - it made me
much more appreciative of so many things).  So sometimes the little flame
wars and petty gripes on this list seem just that - petty and trivial.
And before someone hollers "Don, you're guilty also" - you're right, I am.
But letters like Gayle's help me sort out what is really important.
Thank you so much Gayle for that letter ......love, peace and roses to you.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Joan Boorstein <BOORSTEIN%UMBSKY.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Novel in electronic form only?

"The harder I work, the behinder I get" <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU> comments:

>>The word "virus" seems incorrect in the context described, but
>>attempting to use software to prevent printing is an interesting idea for
>>a text of this sort.  In general, it is little different than using
>>software to prevent copying to another disk.  How long will it take the
>>dedicated hackers of the world to break this method of copy protection, too?

>What with screen-capture software and the like, I don't see how one could write
>print-prevention routines.  Hell, even DOS can redirect screen output to a file
>(or even directly to a printer).

How about reading it inside Unix's script which captures everything to a file?
Can do whatever you like with the file.
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bumper sticker: Play it safe...
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On Fri, 17 Apr 1992, RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU wrote:

>... the Salem State
> (undergraduate) English Society, of which I'm the advisor. This coming
> Monday--a holiday in Mass.--I'm hosting a brunch at the apartment here.
> It's rare for a Salem State student ever to see the insides of a professor's
> home. I'm making quiches and hoping for the best. As an undergraduate I
> was occasionally invited to dinner at my advisor's--and that seemed an
> honor. Do those of you who teach invite students over? Were you invited
> when you were undergraduates?

I think your brunch sounds like a really nice idea.  I remember being
invited a couple of times to the home of the English department chair
when I was in college.  Once she had some of the English majors over to
make and decorate Christmas cookies.  I liked the idea that she carried
enough to invite us to her home.
ndh
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Idempotence

Graham says about idempotency: "neither is the meaning used in Computer
Science."

Actually there is exactly one meaning. Steve and Rashmi are of course saying
the same thing. But even an idempotent PRIMITIVE is a proper example of
idempotency. The key fact is "re-executing the command will have the same
effect as executing it just once (successfully)".

It is easy to see that "writing block from a specified place" has the same
effect if executed ONE OR MORE times. "Writing block at the current place
and shift the place" does not. Exactly the same as aa=a as opposed to aa<>a.

So perhaps Computer Scientists find that idempotent primitives are useful
in some contexts (like when network failures can happen).

"Having no internal state or randomness" is might be an equivalent formulation
of the property. The meaning, however, is the same.

tushar
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Jones

Well, I'm English/Irish/Italian/Lithuanian...does that define me as a BWP?

--Aaron
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38)

According to a book I have called "Myth Information" (I forget who the
author is), ending a sentence with a prepostion is not wrong under the
rules of English.  Who sets such rules I don't know.  Maybe we need one
of those offical language committees like they have in France.

And I think we should run it. :)

--Aaron
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>How did I do that???  Repeat an entire paragraph!  Whoops...
>
>Ken

I thought it was an example of how you used to stutter.

--Prof H., s.t.e., v.h.m.
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Date: 17 Apr 92 00:42:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <01GIW4FK9LLGBG26QZ@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> AXD7104%ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Aaron Dickey, still alive) writes:
:Lisa--
:
:Gap from head to toe? Cool!
:
:--Aaron, preppy forever

I'll say!  You just wear a hat and false toenails?  At *this* time
of year?  Cool isn't the word - you must be frozen...

G
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Clam Slam

Posteth       Lisa of URI

>                                              ECZ5EJH@UCLAMVS.BITNET
                                                       ^^^^^^^

     The host host for the clambake, I presume?

The Ronin
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      moving day

Good luck Bayla ....BTW stock up on bug sprays :-).

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>Thanks for the descriptions!  I'm having a great time trying to picture
>the scene.

        12 people gathered around the table laughing and drinking some of
the nastiest beer I've ever seen.  That Porter stuff was lethal!
Completely opaque.  Yum!


>How many of today's gatherers had met each other "in real life" before?

        I knew of Rod from other places besides words-l, but had never met
him.  Turns out I had spoken with Bill Merrill on the phone once when
he was trying to reach one of my roommates at the time.  Small world...

Czarina
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Well, really.

Asketh        Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>

> *Now* where do I find *you all's* biographies?

     Although the LISTSERV is at UGA, the real heart of WORDS-L is at
ra.msstate.edu, which allows anonymous ftp access to fascinating array
of files, including the collected biographies.

     Feel free to ask questions, never apologize, and thicken your skin.

     Welcome to the list.

The Ronin
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in
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>logged in as often as I am.  Guess I'll have to join the college kid
>clique.  Aimee, Aaron, Alec, Adam..funny how our names all start with
>A.  Does that mean anything?
Absolutely.

judith
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: RE: Jones
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> I'll go for the Danish tack (get a good start). But that couldn't be why
> we can't make it to bwp.

Oh yes it could!  I wish I had my sociolinguistics textbook (Wardhaugh) at
home right now so that I could quote an interesting passage from it about
Danes and silence.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         QXN148%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject: Re: Pre-Clam Slam

>Posted on 13 Apr 1992 at 21:08:22 by Uriacc Mailer (002033)
>
>Re: Re: Pre-Clam Slam
>
>Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:43:00 GMT
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>From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
>
>Thanks, Natalie.  Actually, I did log on, late Sunday night, but there
>were about 210 messages to get through, so I didn't get around to
>sending any.  Although, even if I had, I doubt anyone would have been
>online, since my 11 PM is 1 or 2 AM for many of you!

Oh I'm sure that someone would have been logged on. I have seen messages that
were posted at God-awful hours.  Those are the true bandwith pigs, one of which
I am not (but trying).
Lisa

>Jill

>
>______________________________________________________
>
>Jill Werts                 (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
>Dialog Information Services
>______________________________________________________
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: flipping channels
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>
>         Actually, Doris' theory rings pretty true for my family.  My Dad
> and Brother actually *fight* over the goddamned thing.  Mom and I don't
> really watch TV (we'll sit and do cross-stitch or something in front of
> the TV with the family, but we rarely watch it).  Baby sis watches her
> own TV.

It certainly fits mine...and I, too, sit and crochet or embroider
in front of the set...the channels change too fast for me to *
watch* it! :-)
ndh
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Subject:      Re: 1) Age, and 2) AIDS
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>c) when the famous person is going to die prematurely,
>many people are very interested, if not distressed.  If that's
>not news, I'm not sure what is!    It wouldn't really matter
>if it was AIDS or something else.  Look at the headlines
>when Michael Landon developed incurable cancer, and died
>not long afterward.

Yes.  But.

Unless you are some health fanatic who thinks that people acquire
cancer by voluntary cooperation with their Killer Kultur, cancer
simply doesn't have the titillation factor that AIDS does.  "Ashe
has AIDS?  Who'd he screw??  What'd he shoot??  Oh...he got it
from bad blood?..."  At which point Ashe is about to be turned
into a Icon of Suffering, a Representative Man of our Age.  He's
not.  He's a former tennis player and social activist who's going
to die.

Ken
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Okay, Stu, *what does it mean*?

(I feel like a major sucker here....)

Dr. Steve
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Childhoods, Yikes!
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Take it easy, Lisa!  My parents, at least, have always been very supportive
and proud of me.  And they only beat me when I richly deserved it (and boy,
did I! such a brat).  Dad, who never graduated from high school, is a bit
amazed that he's managed to raise a college graduate.  I was a little
surprised
at my college graduation when, after the long, boring stuff was over, he
grabbed my mom, squeezed her, and said "we did it!"  He's usually not so
demonstrative.  Mom, I think, wishes she had had the opportunity to do
some of what I'm doing -- but realizes that she chose to get married and
have three children by my age.  She's having fun now doing stuff that she
probably should have done at my age -- like getting tatoos.  I have a lot
of fun teaching her how to use her PC at work...

        So.  Just felt a need to elevate the mood here.  And yes, I teased
my younger sister and brother without mercy growing up.  'specially the
time I convinced my sister that a vitamin pill inhaled up the nose is the
same thing as swallowing one.  I think I got beat for that one... :-).

Rita
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38)

Expandeth Dr Lobstrosities Unite

> However!  Let it herewith be known that those who consistently (and quite
> often
> incorrectly) respond to a gleaning belonging to someone else shall forthwith
> be
> labled with the title "Gleanraptor".  This is a title to be worn with shame.
> The last person to wear this shameful chapeau, this humble hat, has not been
> heard from in months.

     I suspect I was dangerously close to garnering such a title, when
I first started answering the gleanings.  I now restrict myself to my
own gleanings on the first pass.  If there is anything unanswered by
Wednesday, I figure it is fair game (or fairly game, having hung
around that long).

The Ronin
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