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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Science versus TechnoBabble and Golden Ears
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:53:52 GMT

While reading article <1992Oct16.154806.13319@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, I noticed that
chiu@gpb-mac. (Norman Chiu) said the following:
 >kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
 >: 
 >: 1) Pick up a copy of the October, 1992 issue of Stereophile.
 >: 2) Scan through both the "Recommended Components" and the advertisements
 >:    within, and note the number of companies located overseas.
 >: 
 >: As opposed to mass-fi, the locale of high-end audio manufacturers breaks down
 >: more or less as:
 >: 
 >: 	90%	United States
 >: 	 5%	Europe
 >: 	 3%	Canada
 >: 	 2%	Japan
 >: 
 >
 >Just two followup questions to your stats:
 >
 >What are the names of these U.S. manufacturers?

A quick sampling (Note:  These are, for the most part "electronics" companies;
I think most people still own speakers of U.S. manufacture):

	Adcom
	Aragon
	Audio Research
	B & K
	Boulder
	California Audio Labs
	Cary
	Cello
	Conrad-Johnson
	Counterpoint
	Kinergetics
	Krell
	Madrigal (Mark Levinson)
	McCormack
	PS Audio
	Jeff Rowland Design Group
	Theta
	Threshold
	VTL
	Wadia


 >What overall audio market share do these U.S. manufacturers command? 
Note I said "high end" audio.  As far as the high end goes, quite a bit.  As
overall audio market share, not much.
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From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo Review (was Re: Very expensive cables)
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:58:37 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL

In article <1bkqguINNrlp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:

>	I have done some personal testing with this idea in mind, albeit
>not very scientific. The very first difference between hardware store 
>10 ga cable, and relatively modest price Monster Cable 10ga was the 
>cables were really physically different. The MC's strands were much
>finner, with more; while the hardware variety [ home depot ] used lesser
>but thicker individual strands. The MC was much more flexible than the
>HD cable. This also seemed to make a substantual difference when using
>connections, albiet I was only experimenting with the radio shack gold
>crimps. I simply could not get a good strong crimp with the HD cable,
>it would always wiggle a bit. 

The 'wiggling' would invalidate any results as you are not getting a
good connection.   In the studio we ALWAYS soldered every one of these
connections.  If you don't you can see corrosion in the bundles as time
goes on and will affect the crimped connection unless they are
ABSOLUTELY at maximum pressure.    

You know that nice pretty gleaming MC.  Look at it in a couple of years
and see the sickly green that shows through the transparent insulation.
Thats not very good for conduction.

Solder all connectors and then report your results - you have too many
variables for a valid test.



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From: eric@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric van Bezooijen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Stereophile question ...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 04:01:37 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: list, stereophile

To all Stereophile subscribers:

Please do me a big favor, and look something up for me:

In the February 1992 issue, there was a list of CDs on page 33 written
by a Mr. Helmick of Irvine, CA.  I cut this out, and bought one of the
CDs from the list.  I thought the CD was great, but I lost the list.
Could anyone with the article please E-MAIL (not post) me this list?

Many thanks,

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com>
Subject: Prewiring a new house for sound...
X-Xxdate: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:20:16 GMT
Organization: Tandem, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:13:36 GMT


I've had a few lucky breaks come my way recently and finally have the
means to get my own place to live.  I didn't think it could happen, but
interest rates and a kind gift from a family member has made it possible.
 Onwards to my question....

The townhouse I'm moving into (pending loan approval of course) hasn't
been completed.  Most of the frame is up - but that's it.  What I want to
be able to do is expand my system into other rooms when my finances
permit.  Since I have access to the house framing now I'd like to put
some pre-emptive wiring in.  What can I do now (at a minimum cost) to set
myself up for the future?

Thanks in advance.
-----------------------------------
email: Brady_David@Tandem.Com

Remember, David Brady IS Lee Harvey!
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Prewiring a new house for sound...
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:49:10 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

David Brady (Brady_David@Tandem.Com) wrote:
: be able to do is expand my system into other rooms when my finances
: permit.  Since I have access to the house framing now I'd like to put
: some pre-emptive wiring in.  What can I do now (at a minimum cost) to set
: myself up for the future?

Run conduit!  Don't wire it.  Run PVC conduit to every room and to the attic
and basement.  Leave some strings in the conduits so that you can pull whatever
wires you need when the time comes.  Several years from now you may find 
yourself wanting to run optical fiber to carry digital signal or maybe coax
or something else.  Don't put money into copper unless you are going to use
it soon, just give yourself some place to run wires in the future.
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From: puerile@wam.umd.edu (Mohan R. Ramanathan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Power Amp requested
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:20:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Oct12.212045.29954
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Hi,
After having just recently purchased a pair of Vandersteen 1b's
I would really like to downgrade (that's right DOWN-grade) my amplifier.
I currently own a Kenwood Basic M2A power amp which is rated by Kenwood
at 200W/ch. Before they went out of business, I had the unit bench tested
at Absolutely Sound in Rockville, MD, and it was tested clean to 260 w/ch.
Because of the delicate nature of the Vandersteens, I would like to drop
down to an amp in the 60-100 w/ch range. Ideally I would be looking at
Adcom or NAD, but any offers would be accepted. I would like to TRADE      
my brutally powerful Kenwood for your meek, sweet NAD/Adcom/Carver et al.
I will consider sweetening the deal with cash, but not a lot. 
				Thanks in Advance,
						Mo
From: kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:22:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Science versus TechnoBabble and Golden Ears
Organization: Outpost 1T
Newsgroups: rec.audio

In rec.audio, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:


>      There will always be a market for products which pander to these
>      human weaknesses....mainly from companies more interested in
>      money than really advancing the art.   And there will always be
>      self-delusioned people who swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
>      Usually these are people with absolutely no knowledge of
>      psychology and human perception.  


I know your understanding of psychology and perception leaves more doubt
about what your senses perceive than what science can predict.  A good
example is the flight of the bumblebee.  To an untrained observer he 
might actually think the bee flies, but the scientific proof  from well
known aeronautic principles proves flawlessly that it in fact does not.
Pity those who might believe otherwise.  It's all due to wishful thinking.
I know when I have the opportunity to throw money away, my perception
is even more flawed in favor of wanting it to be true in order to head for 
bankruptcy.  This is a well understood psychological abnormality 
afflicting all of those who partake in systems exceeding the cost of a
Sony rack system.  I want to thank Lon for bringing this issue to light.
From: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se (Jorgen Borjesson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Need help!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:46:26 GMT
Reply-To: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se (Jorgen Borjesson)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN


Got: A Sony TC-177SD cassette deck

Problem: Varying tape speed, at the beginning of the tape, speed is normal but decreases to quite slow at end of tape.

Has someone encountered this and knows what to do? Then please post here and/or e-mail me.

Thanx,
  Jorgen

Jorgen Borjesson
E-mail:jorbor@etek.chalmers.se
From: "herb chong" <herb.chong@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: stereo review
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:39:21 EST
Reply-To: "herb chong" <herb.chong@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

KM>	Because I feel this way, I auditioned cables which I felt were 
made
KM>by more honest and reputable people. That's why I settled on the Audio
KM>( I did in home tests on 5 RCA cables, and 3 speaker wires ). And, the
KM>not cost me an arm and a leg! [ sure, the silver lapis sure sounded be
KM>but just was not worth the increased cost, IMHO ]

i have Audioquest speaker cable i have been using for about 12 years. 
conductors are still shiny and new looking through the transparent jacket. 
12 ga plain zip cord. nothing fancy, just solid engineering.

Herb...

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: pro logic
Keywords: how does this work
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:55:24 GMT

ProLogic is an encoding scheme designed to simulate the 6 channel Dolby
theatre experience in your home. At home you need 5 speakers, 2 front,
2 rear and a center channel speaker. You also need a receiver equipped
to decode the material. My understanding is that the encoding is similar
to the old 4-channel systems so that playback on a non-encoded system
is not affected. The recent issue of Electronic Musician has an article
on the various 3-D sound processes such as Archer's Q-Sound, Roland's
RSS, Hughes SRS, and Dolby's ProLogic. I'll try to remember to bring it
in and summarize the info.

Pro Logic has been around for a while and is here to stay. Almost
all movies are now released with the encoding and for older movies
it can be faked - most receivers have a mode for non-encoded material
that simulates surround sound using the phase info present.
Go into a store that does Home Theatre and have them give you a demo
using a Laserdisc. Phenomenal !
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: U2 Tickets
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:31:47 GMT

I have four tickets for the U2 concert on October 30 in Los Angeles.  They
are really good seats: center stage, field.  I am asking $95.00 for each
ticket.  If you are interested, please E-mail me.  Thanks.


--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: sudesh@utkal.njit.edu (T. J. Sudesh)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: panasonic(PV-4210) 4 hd vcr for sale!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:55:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: Stereo Review (was Re: Very expensive cables)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:35:39 GMT

In a recent article I asked a simple question:

>>I also see many posts saying that anyone who buys cable other than what can
be
>>found in a hardware store is a complete idiot.  I have asked before, and ask
>>again:  Have these people even bothered to try to hear for themselves if
>>different cables sound different????  

To which jj, curmudgeon/grouch replied:

>Dan, you've ignored the answers, given before, entirely. 
>You've been around long enough to see them time and again.
>Your question is utterly rhetorical and intended only to make emotional
>points in the emotional argument, not to comment on the
>actual issues.  Why not take it to rec.rhetoric, which should
>exist if it doesn't. Then again, if it doesn't take it
>there anyhow.

I take it that that's a "no"!


Dan Kester
kester@mte.ncsu.edu 
Xref: sparky rec.audio:13763 sci.electronics:17151
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Headphone audio -- how do they simulate distance
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:56:17 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct14.015436.12819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>
>	When you listen to music over headphones, it is possible
>for the audio to be recorder such that it either sounds like it
>is coming from the center of your head, or that it is coming from
>both sides.
>
>	How is this accomplished? And, please, I'm mildly
>technical but not overly so.
>
   Stereo signals seem to come from both sides.  Mono signals seem
   to come from the middle.  If your amp has a stereo/mono switch,
   try it.

   Or just play mono records.  [Those big black floppy things with
   what look like circular scratches on them, for the youngsters in
   the audience...]
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: pro logic
Keywords: how does this work
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Vilhelm Boggild)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 14:38:52 GMT

In article <3901@faatcrl.faa.gov>, frankc@faatcrl (Frank Coffman) writes:
|> I'm about to upgrade my stereo system and am starting to look around at
|> receivers.  I'm interested in getting one with pro logic, and I understand
|> what it does, but I don't understand HOW it does it, and the salespeople
|> I've talked to obviously don't know themselves.
|> 
|> Does it just work on recorded media?   
|> 
|> Does it do it's thing on regular TV broadcasts?
|> 
|> Is this a flash in the pan?
|> 
|> Is it time to buy or is the technology still unfolding?
|> 
|> Any input appreciated.
|> 
|> -- 
|> *********************************************************************
|> * Frank Coffman     TGF (Target Generation Facility)                *  
|> *                   FAA Technical Center, ACN-400c                  *
|> *                   Atlantic City Int'l Airport, NJ 08405           *
|> * Internet:frankc@tgf.tc.faa.gov                                    *
|> *********************************************************************


   I just picked up (via anonymous ftp) an introductory document
concerning surround sound by Bob Niland.  It's informative, especially
for someone new to home theatre set-ups.  If you're interested, I
suggest you check it out.

It's available at princeton.edu (128.112.128.1, directory pub/Video/Niland)
The file name is ld_03 (the third in a series of documents).

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Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
-> The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of
   my employer, Bell Northern Research Ltd.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Regrets to this petty newsgroup
Keywords: none that I care to type
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 19:14:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.195528.10437@sei.cmu.edu> jseiler@sei.cmu.edu (Joseph Seiler) writes:

>     (lots deleted)  
> I'm lucky if I make  $7000 a year....
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  With your attitude you will probably *never* earn any more than that!     

I think that I know the source of all your anger.  Look at your family tree.
How many times does the name UncleDad appear?

 
>jseiler@sei.cmu.edu (You see Ong-ulator,I not a pussy afraid to put their
>address down unlike you.)              ^^^^^^^^^^

Did he say he was a college student?



Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: st1q9@elroy.uh.edu (Devine, Della M)
Subject: Re: Hughes SRS experiences?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:11:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.185641.5649@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira) writes...
>I am considering the purchase of one of the Hughes "SRS" units, probably
>the AK-100.  Has anyone had experience with these particular units?  Do they
>genuinly add a lot of ambiance and listening enjoyment to recordings?

  I have listened to two setups with the hughes units. If you are talking
about the one that has the center channel control and lights that show the
effect then that's the one i've listened to. 
  With this system on just two tower speakers (JBL 10's, 4's and 2's) 
without the system, it sounded just like any other system, image in
the center, vocals excellent, bass deep and resonating, but with the
system on, (hughes) It sounded as the sound was coming from around you.
Even when you turned around, it sounded like it was coming from all around 
you. There was a man in the showroom when i was demoing it that had an
excellent system in his home and he was continuously walking around the
room swearing that there were more speakers somewhere behind him.
  I mean, I've never heard anything that improved the sound and surround
sound image that this did with just two speakers. I even recorded some
tapes through it and played them in my car and turned off the rear speakers
and it sounded BETTER than it did with my rear speakers kicked in.
I mean, the imaging was improved 100%!!!  If i would've known what 
improvements it made, i would've bought it when i had the chance, but i
had never heard one so i just opted for a better tuner.
  Anyway, those are my experiences.
                                       william c devine ii
>Thanks very much.
> 
>Ricardo
>pinch@cs.washington.edu
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Speaker building question
Keywords: speaker building
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:12:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <5393@gold.gvg.tek.com> chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris
Christensen) writes:

>In article <marcel.718464571@convex.convex.com> marcel@convex.com 
>(Marcel Bourque) writes:
>
>>When you calculate the volume of speaker enclosures using the
>>various formulas in the Loudspeaker Designers Cookbook, does the
>>calculation assume the driver has no volume? In other words if
>>the calculations come out to 870 cubic inches and I estimate the
>>driver occupies 80 cubic inches, do I build an enclosure of
>>870 or 950 (870+80) cubic inches?
>
>To my knowlegde none of the published formulas or software have any
>way of knowing what you are going to put into the box to comsume
>volume, ie  speaker, crossover, bracing, green felt tip pens, etc.
>
>In running various cabinet volumes with specific speakers on LEAP I
>have found that small variations in cabinet volume are not critical as
>long as the box is "big" enough to start.

You can make the box act as if it's bigger by stuffing it with pillow
stuffing (polyester batting) or fiberglass insulation.  (Some folks
use wool batting but it settles and moths find it tasty.)  Stuffed at
1 pound-per-cubic-foot, you can get as much as a 20% apparent increase
in volume.  There's some exotic (and not very stable) stuff that'll
give you more than 20% but it's expensive and doesn't live very long.

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
From: bender@oobleck (Duke of Canterbury)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: optical vs. coax digital interconnects
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: bender@oobleck.eng.sun.com
Organization: SPARK's R US
NNTP-Posting-Host: oobleck
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
: > I have noticed that in my fiber optic ethernet network whenever the fiber
: > was bent or twisted inadvertantly, the display on my network connected
: > Xterminal would appear "squished" and the rendered fonts would not be as
: > crisp as they are when the fiber is undisturbed, so I would assume that the
: > same thing would happen to the digital audio data coming out of a CD player
: > and going to an external D/A converter connected by fiber, but manifesting
: > itself as a decrease in auditory definition.
: 
: I do not see a smiley here, so I am forced to ask - are you serious?  Do you
: really think that bending the LAN cable will affect the appearance of the
: display?

Well, it did seem strange to me, so I dug up my digital siginal processing
texts from college, and read in a section on high-speed optical transmission
that reflections in the fiber would cause data recovery problems for the
fiber receiver, and that these reflections would be caused by having the
fiber bent at sharp angles.  It might have been the way I was looking at the
monitor on my Xterminal, because I had to reach under my desk and bend the
fiber with my fingers, and crane my neck to look up at the display.

mike

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From: chus@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Chunwei Shih)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: For Sale-Eico #666 tube tester
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:03:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

For Sale:
Eico Model 666 dynamic conductance tube and transister tester. good
condition. size: 15"X12"X6". Asking $50/BO

If interested, please e-mail to "sshw@db1.cc.rochester.edu"
From: jds@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Dan Scoggins)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:44:36 GMT
Subject: Best value in low cost stereo system???
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
Newsgroups: rec.audio

I am in the market for a bookshelf unit.  The price . . . between $3-400.00.  I would like to have dual cassettes/turntable/cd/am/fm.  there a ton of different manufactures.  What I would like to know is what are the best values in the market today????  And don't worry, (not that most of you would!), I won't "FLAME" you for your opinions.

Thanx.

Dan Scoggins
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