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From: ghatch@NeoSoft.com (Greg Hatch)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:20:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.031808.6956@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:
>In article <VANSOEST.92Sep28082822@utis69.cs.utwente.nl> vansoest@utis69.cs.utwente.nl (Dick van Soest) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.165413.15857@kth.se> pli@bella.nada.kth.se (Peter Lidbaum) writes:
>>
>>   Is there *anyone* except me that actually *likes* the new version of 
>>   "Sleep Dirt" (with vocals)? I'd always considered Sleep Dirt to be a somewhat
>>
>>I certainly like "Sleep Dirt" with vocals. I always had the idea that
>>something was "missing" from the instrumental version, it certainly
>>does not have much energy. It's also interesting to hear a female
>>singer in the lead role in one of Zappa's pieces.
>>With or without vocals, I'm glad I have a CD version of the title
>>song. The structure is so good, I wonder if it was completely
>>improvised, or partly written beforehand. Also, because of the "stuck
>>fingers", the length is exactly right, and not twice too long, as
>>most of Zappa's solos...
>>
>I read that Frank wrote Sleep Dirt in his hotel room on a guitar that was owned
>by Mark Volman. Also the take on Sleep Dirt is the only complete take of
>the piece, even though it stops suddenly at the end.
>
>Mark
This is true.  Frank didn't have an acoustic and borrowd Volman's and later
bought it from him.

-- 
Greg Hatch (ghatch@neosoft.com)
.
"You never forget how to fuck--unless you're really, really stupid!"
         Frank Zappa in June, 1991 interview in Budapest
From: bjornl@sics.se (Bj|rn Lisper)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Yellow Shark
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:45:35 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <2abfd969wnr070@ark.abg.sub.org> ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf
Stephan) writes:
>tropp@ce.chalmers.se (Ulf Tropp) writes:
>>>
>>>[BTW, for German readers:  "Premiere" re-sends this two hour show, in which
>>> also a documentation is included, on 27-Sep-92 at 03.00h in the night.]
>> 
>> Please tell: What kind of time is that? Middle European ?
>> Daylight Savings? In Sweden we are switching right at that time.

>Um, this is MESZ, means Greenwich plus 2 and I'm not sure if we switch also.
>That means it can be sent as early as 01.00 am Greenwich Time.
>Four-hour video cassettes would be a solution.  Good luck!

Apparently something was wrong with the time above. I tried to tape the show
from Premiere on the Astra 1B satellite ch. 17, starting 03.00 Swedish
summer time (= 02.00 winter time) and taping for three hours. This should
have covered the effect of switching to winter time, since Swedish time
equals German time modulo possible different switching dates between
summer/winter time. I however ended up with three hours movie dialogue in
German.  Not exactly what I had in mind to tape. Was the broadcast of the
show cancelled on short notice? Has anybody else been able to tape it?

Bjorn Lisper
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Reply-To: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:18:08 GMT

In article <VANSOEST.92Sep28082822@utis69.cs.utwente.nl> vansoest@utis69.cs.utwente.nl (Dick van Soest) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.165413.15857@kth.se> pli@bella.nada.kth.se (Peter Lidbaum) writes:
>
>   Is there *anyone* except me that actually *likes* the new version of 
>   "Sleep Dirt" (with vocals)? I'd always considered Sleep Dirt to be a somewhat
>
>I certainly like "Sleep Dirt" with vocals. I always had the idea that
>something was "missing" from the instrumental version, it certainly
>does not have much energy. It's also interesting to hear a female
>singer in the lead role in one of Zappa's pieces.
>With or without vocals, I'm glad I have a CD version of the title
>song. The structure is so good, I wonder if it was completely
>improvised, or partly written beforehand. Also, because of the "stuck
>fingers", the length is exactly right, and not twice too long, as
>most of Zappa's solos...
>
I read that Frank wrote Sleep Dirt in his hotel room on a guitar that was owned
by Mark Volman. Also the take on Sleep Dirt is the only complete take of
the piece, even though it stops suddenly at the end.

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 20:46:04 EDT

 Regarding the Zappa guitar queries: "Can't Afford No Shoes" from 'One 
Size Fits All' also uses the fretless guitar.  I don't notice any gizmos 
on that album's version of "Inca Roads," but the end of the solo features 
what FZ calls "the bagpipe technique"- a fingertapping practice that thee 
drummer Jim Gordon showed him.  "Gee, I Like Your Pants" from 'Shut Up...' 
has rather a more provocative demonstration of this technique.
  What I'm wondering about is how Zappa got that high-pitched, kind of 
bottleneck-ish sound he used to like (cf. "Nine Types Of Industrial 
Pollution" on 'Uncle Meat,' or "I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth'" on 
'Zappa In New York.').  Any gizmos involved?

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: cadwell@rad.psu.edu (Brian Cadwell)
Subject: The son of problems with Zappa reissues
Keywords: I'm so cute!
Reply-To: cadwell@rad.psu.edu
Organization: Penn State Astronomy and Astrophysics
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:52:04 GMT

The very last part of FZ's "I'm So Cute" is left off the CD version
of "Sheik Yerbouti." There is some quiet dialog after the electronic
noises die down that goes something like "Huh ha ... Did you just record that?"
It sounded to me like it was Terry Bozzio sitting in the studio laughing
at Frank. That is the only problem with that CD that I've found. I was
impressed that he fit the whole album on 1 CD, but was pissed that he
left off that little sound bite.
From: ssac+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Alan Sisson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Frank's Hustler Pictorial...At Last!
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:41:37 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This was pointlessly perverted, but I thought it would provide some
morbid entertainment for some of you.
						TV
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Subject: Re: Frank's Hustler Pictorial...At Last!
Reply-To: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:08:56 GMT

In article <BvB17K.DL@cs.psu.edu> cadwell@rad.psu.edu writes:
>We have the text, now some one with the mag and a scanner should
>post the pictures!
>
>bc
>
>

I know someone with the mag, but I don't have a scanner, but anyway
they are pretty fuckin' awful actually. Only really useful fetishment
for the collector of all Zappa stuff.

mark
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:27:26 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Sep28.171355.2738@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska) writes:
>
>Keep in mind that Sleep Dirt was one of the Warner records that was
>mixed by Warner people without FZ's input. 

Did they really get the multitracks and remix it?  I always got the
impression that Warners had released incomplete rough stereo mixes that had
been done by FZ.  

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry
From: sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Crappy Sound Quality on Ryko's "You Are What You Is"
Date: 27 Sep 1992 00:57:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <LATTA.92Sep26154417@scam.berkeley.edu> latta@scam.berkeley.edu (Craig R. Latta) writes:
>
>
>	Has anyone else been bothered by the lousy sound quality of
>the master used for Ryko's issue of "You Are What You Is"? 
>	This album is one of my favorites; the analog issues sounded
>great, and I was looking forward to replacing my worn-out copy with
>even better digital ones.

	And don't forget the shortened guitar solo on "Dumb All Over".
This is one of the few CD's that were not an improved or equal version
of the vinyl master.  Oh Well.

	Are there any other omissions or shortcomings on other CD
re-issues? (Not necessarily Zappa?)


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From: jfreund@mindvox.phantom.com (Jim Freund)
Subject: Re: Movie Recommendations....
Keywords: zappa movies
Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:18:52 GMT

MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com writes:

> Our local Blockbuster Video store has 3 or 4 Frank Zappa video tapes.  One
> was 200 Motels, I forget the other 3.  Is there any favorites among Zappa
> fans?

200 Motels is where it's at.  Accept no substitutes (including Baby Snakes).

Are you sure that video is 200 Motels, the movie itself?  I've never seen
it available, though I recall seeing a video >about< 200 Motels.  (The
real thing stars Ringo Starr (as an ersatz Zappa), Throdore Bikel and
Keith Moon, among others.

--                                                               --
                     WBAI -- 99.5 FM  /  ZiffNet
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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:54:48 EDT

  I was interested to see discussion of Sleep Dirt, since it is one of my 
favorite Zappa albums\.  Regarding the new version, Zappa always intended 
the songs "Flambay," "Spider Of Destiny," and "Time Is Money" to included 
vocals- they were written for his musical Hunchentoot in 1972.  At the 
time the backing tracks were recorded, Zappa couldn't find anyone who 
could sing them.  I've not heard the LP, but it would be hard for me to 
imagine these tracks as instrumentals.
  I have two questions about the album.  First, can anyone figure out who 
the drummer was on the LP versions of the vocal tracks?  Second, does 
anyone know anything about how "The Ocean..." came about?  I suspect that 
it was a jam and that one of the guitars was later overdubbed, but I 
could be wrong.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Keywords: fingers, stuck
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 17:04:39 EDT

chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:

> In article <1992Oct2.205508.17497@cs.com> larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
> >In article <RABIN.92Oct1204618@nuthatch.CS.Yale.Edu> rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu w
> >>This might be a good place to post a recollection I have about a Zappa
> >>interview from about the time of `Sleep Dirt' (+/- 2 years). 
> >
> >
> >He definitely had/has the gtr with neck pickups, I don't recall if
> >it was used on those tracks.  I always liked the fretless guitar on
> >"San Berdino" -- are there any other Zappa tunes using that guitar?
> >
> "Down In the Dew" uses the fretless for the whole tune.
> 
> Mark

  How did you hear "Down In The Dew"?  If I'm not mistaken, this song was 
part of the planned 'Lather' box set and has yet to be released on any 
official album.  If you managed to get a bootleg copy of 'Lather', I'd be 
curious to hear what the music is like, since it has a few other non-album 
tracks ("Duck Duck Goose," "Lather," and early versions of several 
late-70's Zappa songs).

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: YCDTOSA Sampler Question
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 20:40:18 EDT

  Does the YCDTOSA sampler include anything that hasn't been released on 
the CD series?  If so, please let me know when the tracks were recorded 
and whether they are anything of interest.  Thanks in advance.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Keywords: fingers, stuck
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:43:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <gq25RB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:
>
>  How did you hear "Down In The Dew"?  If I'm not mistaken, this song was 
>part of the planned 'Lather' box set and has yet to be released on any 
>official album.  If you managed to get a bootleg copy of 'Lather', I'd be 
>curious to hear what the music is like, since it has a few other non-album 
>tracks ("Duck Duck Goose," "Lather," and early versions of several 
>late-70's Zappa songs).

DITD (aka DIDD) is on quite a few bootlegs.  It's certainly an atypical 
Zappa instrumental, and very good, with an "Apostrophe"-like drum sound
(Jim Gordon?) but a pleasant little melody on top.  It would be really 
nice if some of this stuff showed up on _The Lost Episodes_...  The studio
version of "Dead Girls of London" with Denny Walley (?) on slide would be 
another good one.

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry 
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From: vansoest@utis69.cs.utwente.nl (Dick van Soest)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:28:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.165413.15857@kth.se> pli@bella.nada.kth.se (Peter Lidbaum) writes:

   Is there *anyone* except me that actually *likes* the new version of 
   "Sleep Dirt" (with vocals)? I'd always considered Sleep Dirt to be a somewhat

I certainly like "Sleep Dirt" with vocals. I always had the idea that
something was "missing" from the instrumental version, it certainly
does not have much energy. It's also interesting to hear a female
singer in the lead role in one of Zappa's pieces.
With or without vocals, I'm glad I have a CD version of the title
song. The structure is so good, I wonder if it was completely
improvised, or partly written beforehand. Also, because of the "stuck
fingers", the length is exactly right, and not twice too long, as
most of Zappa's solos...

--
Dick van Soest
Department of Computer Science
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From: bruceh@cray.com (Bruce T. Hill)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Zappa Discs with Steve Vai
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:32:36 GMT
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA


IMHO Steve Vai is THE best guitarist that has ever been in Zappa's band.
Why else would Zappa list his instrument as "stunt guitar", or "impossible
guitar parts"?

The second disk of YCDTOSA Vol. 5 is entirely the 1982 band and Steve Vai
really cranks on some of the numbers.  The live version of Moggio is 
especially tight.
-- 
Bruce T. Hill @ Cray Research Superservers, Inc., San Diego, CA, USA
Email: bruceh@cray.com  Phone: (619) 625-3746  FAX: (619) 625-0641
Humorous quotation:  Nobody looks good wearing _brown_lipstick_. --Frank Zappa
From: gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Zappa Discs with Steve Vai
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:19:02 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gavras@acs.bu.edu

>In article <1992Sep25.212749.16838@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Rich.Tisovec@bbs.oit.un>c.edu (Rich Tisovec) writes:
>|> Sorry, I had a little trouble with the last post.  I was wondering if
>|> anyone would be able to tell me which Zappa albums Steve Vai played on.
>|> 	Thanks,
>|> 	Rich Tisovec
>|> 
>|> --
>|>    The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>|>      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>|>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>|>            internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
>
> buy them all, and find out. Zappa's a better guitarist anyway.
>Let's not forget Mr. Vai went on to join Whitesnake !!!!!!!!!!!!
>-- 

>Gary O'Connor (crgoc@uk.cray.com) :)-8

A sound idea, but a rather expensive one. A complete list of the discs in 
question would be rather lengthy, but here's a few you can check out:

Tinsel town Rebellion

You are what you is

The man from Utopia

Ship arriving too late to save a drowning witch

Them or us

The one on which Vai is featured the most is The man from Utopia, which is a 
pain in the ass to get a hold of but well worth the trouble of doing so 
(check out "the dangerous kitchen", "moggio", and "the jazz discharge party
hat") On Them or Us there is a cut titled "Stevie's Spanking" wherein he trades
solos with either FZ or Dweezil (I can't remember which). FZ hired him mainly 
as a transcriber so he didn't do a whole lot in the way of blistering solos
and the like, and if youre looking for anything along the lines of Whitesnake
velveetaism you'll be sorely dissapointed, but besides that, enjoy...
                            
                               -Alexis
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: pli@bella.nada.kth.se (Peter Lidbaum)
Subject: Sleep Dirt
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:54:13 GMT

Paul Mather (mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk) writes:

> Some, nay many, will vigourously assert that the addition (re-insertion)
> of vocals into _Sleep Dirt_ was a serious shortcoming of that particular
> CD reissue.  Of course, it's all just a matter of personal taste.

Is there *anyone* except me that actually *likes* the new version of 
"Sleep Dirt" (with vocals)? I'd always considered Sleep Dirt to be a somewhat
"boring" album, especially compared with the great "Studio Tan", that was 
released just about the same time.

How can anyone dislike "Time is Money"? 

/Peter
From: latta@scam.berkeley.edu (Craig R. Latta)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Crappy Sound Quality on Ryko's "You Are What You Is"
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:44:17
Organization: Experimental Computing Facility (XCF)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: xcf.berkeley.edu



	Has anyone else been bothered by the lousy sound quality of
the master used for Ryko's issue of "You Are What You Is"? Has anyone
found a better version on CD? If so, how can I get one?

	When I mentioned this to 818-PUMPKIN, they told me Frank had
done this damage intentionally, allegedly in pursuit of some "more
dimensional" sound imaging. I think it's just awful: the high end
fades in and out, unevenly across the channels, just like a bunch of
analog tape dropouts.
	This album is one of my favorites; the analog issues sounded
great, and I was looking forward to replacing my worn-out copy with
even better digital ones.


-C

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From: dsr@horus.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dana Richards)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:13:34 GMT


>In article <VANSOEST.92Sep28082822@utis69.cs.utwente.nl> vansoest@utis69.cs.utwente.nl (Dick van Soest) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.165413.15857@kth.se> pli@bella.nada.kth.se (Peter Lidbaum) writes:
>>
>>   Is there *anyone* except me that actually *likes* the new version of 
>>   "Sleep Dirt" (with vocals)? I'd always considered Sleep Dirt to be a somewhat
>>
>>I certainly like "Sleep Dirt" with vocals. I always had the idea that
>>something was "missing" from the instrumental version, it certainly
>>does not have much energy. It's also interesting to hear a female
>>singer in the lead role in one of Zappa's pieces.
>>With or without vocals, I'm glad I have a CD version of the title
>>song.

BTW does the recent cassette version of Sleep Dirt agree with the CD
or the LP?
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Crappy Sound Quality on Ryko's "You Are What You Is"
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:20:25 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <355@mindlink.bc.ca> Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes:

>>
>>         Are there any other omissions or shortcomings on other CD
>> re-issues? (Not necessarily Zappa?)
>>


>It's been mentioned here before several times, but Hot Rats is truly depressing
>the way it has been remixed. The sound is painful to listen to! Thank God my
>original of this is in good shape.

I'm blessed with not ever having heard the vinyl for Hot Rats.  I love the
way my CD sounds.

The ones I have problems with:

Filmore East: Willie The Pimp, Part 2 is completely omitted.

We're Only In It For The Money/Lumpy Gravy - 

This one is awful.  I understand that the masters were damaged, but that is
no excuse.  Guitar parts were omitted.  Plus, the tape was noticably sped
up.  Probably to allow for both albums to fit on the single CD.


The only recourse, is to get copies of the rare vinyl and record them onto
one of the new Sony Minidisks.



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From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Yellow Shark
Date: 01 Oct 92 20:35
Organization: Magick Shoppe, Gurth City

I have to apologize if 27-Sep-92 03.00 local time was the wrong date,
but I'm pretty sure that was what the moderator said.  Cable channels
often change their program...

--ralf