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From: lierz@gmd.de (Wolfgang Lierz)
Subject: Re: How do I access the upper memory area of a Toshiba Laptop?
Keywords: Toshiba Laptop Memory
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:03:38 GMT

In <1992Jul30.063747.11546@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> tony@ctpm.uq.oz.au (Tony Jago) writes:

>I have a problem with a Toshiba T5200 with 5M of extended memory.
>Currently configured with TEST3 as all extended memory except 288K for
>shadow ROM as recommended in the Toshiba manual.
>The version of DOS is 5.0.
...
>I appear to be unable to access HMA with emm386.sys.

Of Course, because emm386.sys comes from DOS 4.0 !!!
You must use Toshiba's emm386.exe which came with Your Toshiba DOS 5.0

>The two parameters of emm386 which give access to HMA  - noems and ram
>are both rejected by the machine.

No, they were not supported under DOS 4.0.

>Dos loads high,  but I cannot see or access HMA to load other device drivers.

It loads high because HIMEM is sufficient for that.
You cant use the HMA because DOS uses it.

Best regards,
Wolfgang Lierz / GMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: cchung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Chung)
Subject: Powerbook Info
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 03:02:47 GMT


Hello out there,
 
 
I'm going to buy a Powerbook.  I'll either buy the 170 or wait for
the new  powerbook releases in October.
 
For those who have powerbooks of any model, please e-mail me what you like
and don't like about your powerbooks. I would really appreciate it.
 
And for anybody who has any rumors about the new powerbooks please
e-mail me too.
 
 
My e-mail address is : labccc@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu
 
Thanks everybody
 
Chris Chung

Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: kritchie@mail1.cis.umn.edu (Kent C Ritchie)
Subject: Re: Problem with T1000
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:38:44 GMT


I once set the startup device on my T1000SE to the hard RAM, but there was
no system disk on it so it wouldn't work.  I called Toshiba and they gave me an
escape keystoke to reset the startup drive, and I think everything else  
(config.sys and autoexec.bat) to factory preset.  I think it was pressing
F10 before during or after (I can't remember which) the memory test.  This 
was for T1000SE though.  My suggestion would be to call Toshiba and ask them.
They have answered ever question I have had to my satisfaction.  They have a 
1-800 # listed in the 800 directory which gives you another 800 #.  

Kent
From: jharring@banner.prime.com (Joe Harrington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Re: How is $699 for a Powerbook ??
Keywords: powerbook, price
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:26:46 GMT
Reply-To: jharring@banner.UUCP (Joe Harrington)
Distribution: na
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

latenser@unlinfo.unl.edu wrote:
>The university here maintains an Apple store.  Prices seem to be on the
>low end because of the educational discount.
                                                                                
>       Powerbook 140 4/40                                      $2243


The student price at Boston University for this recently dropped
from the above to $1919.  What was the student price given a few
weeks back at Stanford when there was that wavelet of 140 4/40
offers being made from there?
From: vishart@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Joseph Hart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: MSDOS laptops and Windows .... which models do you favor ?
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am looking at laptops that come with MSDOS 5.0 or later, and
Windows 3.0 or later.  Which ones do you favor ? Why ?
Which are not practical ? ( particularly with regard to running Windows ?)
___________________________________________________________________
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From: vishart@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Joseph Hart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: engineering and statistics software for the Powerbook
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


      What is the software availability for the Mac Powerbook
         as compared to the MSDOS laptops (with or without Windows) ?
         ( particularly with respect to engineering and
           statistics software ? )
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From: sacchi@hpl.hp.com (Cristiano Sacchi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Cheap 486 notebooks. Any experience?
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:45:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplabs.Brv5vE.GBB
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

I want to buy a cheap 486 notebook and the best deal I have
found are:

KeyNote 468SLC/25Mhz (Cyrix) from KEYDATA, S. Plainfield (NJ)
4 MB Ram
120 MB HD
for $1995

Unbranded 486DX/33Mhz from HIQ, Sunnyvale (CA)
16 MB Ram
200 MB HD
for $2700

Any experience/suggestion with this companies and products?
Does a 486 work fine in a notebook? 
What about heating problems?
What about battery life?

I have also realize that many power management systems are just
software drivers (.sys). What about availibility of those drivers
for future on non DOS operating systems (WindowsNT/Solaris)?
Any clue?

Thak you all

Cristiano Sacchi

e-mail: sacchi@hpl.hp.com
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From: magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald)
Subject: Wanted:  Hard drive <-> Parallel port board or information
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:09:23 GMT


I have just bought a laptop and would like to get a Hard drive to
run off of the parallel port.  I would prefer to get something
that will run SCSI because I hope to get a SyQuest eventually.

I have drives so I am mainly just seeking an adapater or information
about adapters.
SO if you have an adapter for sale, or have some information about them
and where to find them please E-mail me.


thanks,
john macdonald
magundi@uwo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.wanted,misc.forsale.computers,comp.periphs,comp.periphs.scsi
From: magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald)
Subject: Wanted: Trantor Parallel <-> SCSI adapter 
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:53:32 GMT


If anyone Trantor Parallel <-> SCSI adapter for sale or knows
where they are available cheap, please send me e-mail.

john macdonald
magundi@uwo.ca
(519) 672-0714
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Dell 320N Notebook Forsale
Supersedes: <92204.112219AUWAC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 11:44:39 MST
From: <AUWAC@ASUACAD.BITNET>

Hi Folks,  here's the specs:

Dell System 320N Notebook
386SX at 20 mhz
3 Megs RAM
40 Meg harddrive
Internal 1.44 Meg diskdrive
Internal 24/96 data/fax modem
32 shades o' grey VGA LCD display

Both the co-processor slot and the RAM expansion slots are easily accessible,
so you won't have to pay people to install upgrades.  All sorts of power-
saving features.  It's only been used a couple of times (literally).  Comes
with fax/modem and word processing software, system and diagnostic disks,
plus system and MS-DOS manuals.  All is in *NEW* condition (no scratches,
stains, or anything of the sort).  Carrying case included.

$1200 takes all.

Thanks,
Bill Collins

P.S.  I guess I forgot to mention that it also comes with the original adapter
and a battery that's never been used.  I encourage you to compare prices with
other systems on the net.  You'll find that this is a pretty good deal.  It's
also got an external VGA port.  The dimentions are 8.5 X 11.0 X 2.0 in.  With
battery, it weighs 6.8 lbs.  And, because of it's backup battery, you can
change batteries without even having to close an application.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: WP5.1 driver/tsr for EGA laptop wanted
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:40:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

	Anyone know of a driver/tsr that will:

		1. Allow a block cursor in Word Perfect 5.1

		2. Permit >80 character lines in WP5.1 using an EGA Laptop.

	I would perfer shareware but would be interested in commercial
products as well if any are available (and reasonable). I have a large EGA
display on the Laptop (Tandon LT/286), and would like to make use of it!

	Thanks,

-- 
    Rick Adams | KE8HH    /|\        You are right from your side,         
      adamsr@ais.org    /  |  \        And I am right from mine.           
     adamsr@netcom.com  \ /|\ /  We're both just one too many mornings,    
    rick.adams on GEnie   \|/  And a thousand miles behind. (c Bob Dylan)
From: lkomito@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Zeos sub-notebook (Was GateWay Handbook)
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:06:34 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <13588@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan T'so) writes:
> 	The new Zeos Pocket PC has the right idea, at 1.3 pounds. But it is
> only CGA and has no hard disk. Still, it may have some merits and should put
> Poqet out of business, although the Poqet is a little smaller, its keyboard
> is thus untype-able and it cost nearly twice what the Zeos costs.

For those of us living outside the U.S., how much is this new Zeos Pocket
PC going for?
-- 
Lee Komito  lkomito@irlearn.ucd.ie
Sociology Dept.; University College Dublin; Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland
lkomito@irlearn (Bitnet), Phone +353 1 706-7106, FAX +353 1 269-4409
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: hlh5721@zeus.tamu.edu (JIMI HENDRIX)
Subject: Re: 1 in 5 laptops is a PowerBook
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.225214.27698@cheshire.oxy.edu>, leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes...
>Recent info places the total unit sales of Powerbooks at 300,000 so far...
>a far cry from 200,000 per month.
> 
>Thom
> 
Oh, Gee......well, I guess that 300 grand isn't a lot then..?  :) 


LEE HUDDLESTON,                 
Texas A&M University,
College St. TX

"This views expressed are mine and are not necessarily those of
  Texas A&M University, its faculty, staff nor students"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: bq099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Juan C. Aguirre)
Subject: Compaq Contura notebook???
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 06:31:54 GMT


Does any one have anything to say about this new machine.  I
just finished ordering a Compaq Contura 25Mhz with a 120
Mb hard drive for $2330 but haven't received it yet.  Any 
comments anyone???
OP
Juan at ih26%utep@ricevm1.rice.edu
From: mickeyf@vnet.ibm.com (Mickey Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:47:17 PDT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Re: Key travel on standard IBM PS/2 keyboard?
Organization: Rolm
Disclaimer: This note represents my views, not those of Rolm or IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0
            <Bs6A1x.Ev5@animal.gcs.co.nz>

In <Bs6A1x.Ev5@animal.gcs.co.nz> Laurence Chiu writes:
>In article <Jul.28.18.56.01.1992.7369@pilot.njin.net> knutsen@pilot.njin.net (Mark Knutsen) writes:
>>For the sake of comparison with laptop keyboards, does anyone know
>>what the key travel is for a standard IBM PS/2 keyboard?
>
>this isn't exactly scientific but by placing a rule against my keyboard
>I measured about 3mm+/-.5mm. FWIW I think they are the best keyboards around.

I agree with your opinion about being the best keyboards.  By the way, if
you want another notebook to consider, the CompuAdd Express 325 NXL also
has this very same keyboard made by LexMark, a spinnoff of IBM.  I've got
one of them, and am very satisfied with it.

Mickey Ferguson -- Rolm -- FergusoM at scrvm2 -- mickeyf@vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: bush@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Michael Bush)
Subject: Re: Using SpinRite on portables
Keywords: SpinRite, Dell 320N, Sharp PC-7100
Organization: none
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:23:27 GMT

h2co@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Candace O'Connor) writes:

[...]
>specifically warns against doing a low-level format.  The technical 
>guy said No, do not use SpinRite; when I asked why, he said that is 
>because the Dell has an IDE HD, and "...the controller is on the
>hard drive".  Comments?  Experiences?  Advice?  I am tempted to just
>back up the machine and give it a try, if I can't get specific
>information.  Any chance of screwing things up by doing that?

Spinrite doesn't support IDE hard drives, so it will either crash
on you or exit after warning you that there is a disk cache active.
You can try running it if you want, but if it does try to do anything
to the drive it will probably trash it.
-- 
Mike Bush
Motorola Codex - Mansfield, MA
bush@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com or bush_m@msm.cdx.mot.com
From: h2co@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Candace O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Using SpinRite on portables
Summary: Crashes Sharp machine; warnings about Dell machine
Keywords: SpinRite, Dell 320N, Sharp PC-7100
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:48:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.5934
Followup-To: comp.sys.laptops
Distribution: usa
Organization: Portland State University, Computing Services

Hi.  Two questions here, hope someone can shed some light.

First question.  I just got a Dell 320N (20MHz 386SX notebook).  I had
a few questions about the machine, so I called Dell.  While talking to 
the technical person, I asked him about using SpinRite on the machine; 
the question came up because the manual that came with the machine 
specifically warns against doing a low-level format.  The technical 
guy said No, do not use SpinRite; when I asked why, he said that is 
because the Dell has an IDE HD, and "...the controller is on the
hard drive".  Comments?  Experiences?  Advice?  I am tempted to just
back up the machine and give it a try, if I can't get specific
information.  Any chance of screwing things up by doing that?

Second question.  I just tried to use SpinRite on a friend's old
Sharp PC-7100 (8086 luggable running DOS 5.0).  SpinRite gets to
the Welcome screen that says Press Any Key To Continue and crashes
big time.  I've tried running it from a:, from c:, I have a clean
boot diskette and there are no TSRs running.  Any idea what could
be going wrong?  

Grateful for any and all advice,

Candace O'Connor
Biology Department

h2co@odin.cc.pdx.edu
From: Jim_Sollows@mindlink.bc.ca (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Re: notebook decisions
Date: 25 Jul 92 06:12:39 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

If you want to run a powerbook with DOS try it before you buy it you may not
like the speed too much. DOS software does seem to run considerably slower than
they would on a 386 or better notebook.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: GateWay Handbook Info
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:42:21 GMT

leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:

>So... will Windows 3.0 operate on this machine on anything except Real Mode?

    No, since the processor is basically an 8088.  IMHO it is rather sneaky/
bordering on false advertising for Gateway to use the phrase "286-class
performance" in advertising this product.  Zeos advertised a similar product
better by explicitly stating that it has a V30 in it.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child."
					-- Vice President Dan Quayle
From: morelli@arthur.uchicago.edu (Robert Morelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Zeos Notebook
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:37:36 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago


     I recently bought a Zeos notebook 386 (not the 386+) at an 
auction.  Because I don't have the original order number, and the machine
has nothing stamped on its serial number tag (a fact which Zeos Tech
support can't explain),  I cannot obtain a manual,  a copy of the utility 
programs,  or access to the Zeos BBS.  In particular I would appreciate 
any help in obtaining the utility program "eagle.com" which is necessary
to use the external video port.  This program is contained on the utility
disk that comes with the computer and is also available on the Zeos
BBS.  The easiest solution would be for some kind person to share their
BBS password,  serial number,  or original purchase number with me,  but
you could also make the  file available to me through ftp.  Please send
email.  Much thanks.

    By the way,  if anyone has an internal modem  for this notebook for 
a good price I'd be interested.

Rob
From: kalin@math.psu.edu ( kalin )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: info on the 2M extra RAM for the T3100
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:26:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NOT MUCH


I just moved from T1100+ to T3100. I want to add the 2M extra
RAM the manual says you can upgrade to. The Toshiba rep. said
it goes on the board. I opened the unit but didn't see any
sockets..( apart from the BIOS). The manual says that the 
upgrade requires a mod and the local dealer should be able to
do it. However, I feel like doing it myself. So the Q. is:

What do I do: What kind of memory to look for?
	      What gets yanked out?
	      How do you tell the board there's more RAM.

Has anyone done it themselves? Is it hard? Any info where to
get the board specs from ?

regards
kalin
From: tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan T'so)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Re: GateWay Handbook Info
Date: 27 Jul 1992 03:16:20 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <trussell.712183341@cwis> trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:
>leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>>So... will Windows 3.0 operate on this machine on anything except Real Mode?
>    No, since the processor is basically an 8088.  IMHO it is rather sneaky/
>bordering on false advertising for Gateway to use the phrase "286-class
>performance" in advertising this product.  Zeos advertised a similar product
>better by explicitly stating that it has a V30 in it.

	I wouldn't fault Gateway too much on this point. They also state
explicitly that they use the C & T single module processor, which I did
vaguely remember was a souped-up XT (8088). It does have 286-like speed --
I think they said the SI rating was around 12, which makes it like a 10Mhz 286.
They are explicitly not marketing the Handbook as Window-capable. But they say
that they are working with C & T to get a protected-mode CPU going in the
same or similar form-factor so that future Handbooks could run Windows in
standard mode.
	It looks like there will be a flood of these subnotebook computers out
shortly, so I think I'll just wait for a little longer. The Handbook has most
everything right that I want except this no protected mode business. It also
seems a little pricey, given what it is. I think it should be priced under
$1000.
	The Dell 320SLi is pretty attractive at $2149 for a 386 with VGA,
weighing 3.5 pounds. I wish it would weigh less.
	The new Zeos Pocket PC has the right idea, at 1.3 pounds. But it is
only CGA and has no hard disk. Still, it may have some merits and should put
Poqet out of business, although the Poqet is a little smaller, its keyboard
is thus untype-able and it cost nearly twice what the Zeos costs.
	Does anyone know about other <<4lbs subnotebooks coming out that are
worth waiting for ? What is the story with the Phoenix Companion ?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: cchung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Chung)
Subject: PB Info Mailing list
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:36:49 GMT



 
 
Earlier  I asked all those who had powerbooks to e-mail  me  what 
they liked and didn't like, and those who had rumors on the new
powerbooks to come out in october to do the same.
 
Some people have e-mailed me to forward any info I get on this
topic.
 
If  anyone else, would like to get this forwarded info please  e-
mail  me.  Also, for those who already contacted me to be on  the 
mailing list should send me e-mail again.
 
Thanks
 
Chris Chung
From: rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Does there exist Parallel ==> HD device? Price?
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:39:18 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


Does there exist a device that lets you hook up a hd to the parallel port
on a laptop?  It seems I have heard mention of something like this but I'm
not sure.

Also, what would be the price of such a device.  I've seen those mini-hd's in
magazines, the ones that are about the size of one and a half cigarette
boxes... I figure that would be pretty handy.

The computer in question is a Bondwell laptop that my brother just bought used,
it's a few years old so I don't know what CPU, speed, etc. it is...

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From: rick@always.com (Rick Wagner)
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Hard drive <-> Parallel port board or information
Organization: Always Technology Corp.; Westlake Village, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 19:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.020923.9478@julian.uwo.ca> magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald) writes:
>
>I have just bought a laptop and would like to get a Hard drive to
>run off of the parallel port.  I would prefer to get something
>that will run SCSI because I hope to get a SyQuest eventually.

We have a product, the AL-1000, which fits this bill nicely.  You can
call our sales department for more info at 818-597-1400.

>thanks,
>john macdonald
>magundi@uwo.ca


	--rick
-- 
Rick Wagner / Always Technology			email: rick@always.COM
31336 Via Colinas, Suite 101			Voice: 1-818-597-1400
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: davev@bnr.ca (David Villeneuve)
Subject: Re: P.C. notebook vs. powerbook
Reply-To: davev@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:47:11 GMT

In article <Bs4u42.BtC@well.sf.ca.us>, tswift@well.sf.ca.us (Theodore John Swift) writes:
|> 
|> > I was planning to spend $2000 on a high powered clone notebook.
|> > However, I'm constantly being encouraged to get a powerbook.
|> > What can I get in a Powerbook for $2000?
|> 
|> Well, you can easily get a Powerbook 140 4/40 for that much- they're
|> running about $1600-$1800.  This is a 68030 processor running at 16 MHz,
|> with a built-in 1.4 MB floppy drive.  Apple claims that the 140 "outperforms
|> all 16 MHz or 20 MHz 386 laptops running Windows 3.0", for what that's worth.

   I've heard (and seen) that Windows 3.0 is slow.  

   Personally, I prefer to use the GEOS operating system, or the
   package with the applications called GeoWorks Ensemble.  It's
   lean and mean, and runs fast on my 286 machine!

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