HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Good Teachers in Public Schools (Was Re: Clinton ... (was Re: Theft))
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:42:01 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <fd4d17w@Unify.Com> ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
>Haugh also seems to be unaware that the movie "Stand and Deliver" was a true
>story.  Jaime Escalante, the high school calculus teacher whose story was
>told in the movie, moved up here to Sacramento a little over a year ago.

Escalante differs from Eric in one very real area - Escalante faught the
system at almost every turn.  Eric supports the status quo.  He opposes most
of the reforms in Bush's America 2000 proposal.  He supports the NEA.  He
=is= the problem.  We need fewer Eric's kissing the asses of groups like
the NEA.

If you'd go back and watch the movie again you'd see that Escalante was not
calling for more of the same.  In fact, he was quite the outcast.  Our dear
Eric wants change, but please - not too much.  It might force a few of his
colleagues to lose their jobs or make less money.

And not once do I recall Escalante saying "If only I made $25,700 instead
of $21,400, I'd be a much better teacher."
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John F. Haugh II           [  TSAKC  ]       UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Obnoxious DC teachers
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:10:53 GMT

In article <4693@d75.UUCP> curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch/131072) writes:
>     The POST quotes a letter to parents, which it called an
>"unquestionably offensive tactic."  The letter reads:  "Please
>submit to each teacher from whom your child is requesting a
>college recommendation your letters to your City Council member,
>the Superintendent, and your School Board member along with three
>addressed and stamped envelopes.  At that point we will be happy
>to complete and send in the recommendation."

One is left wondering if any parents, instead of getting
recommendations from those teachers, simply sent in the college
application with this letter attached.  I know that if I were a
college admissions board member, I would certainly feel compelled to
look at ALL applications from that school that included teacher
recommendations a lot more closely; perhaps even stop taking students
who had such recommendations at all, and inform the parents and the
school why that had happened.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: so what gives?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:23:25 GMT

In <1992Sep29.212906.1331@technology.com> richard@technology.com (Richard Murphy) writes:

>From JHII to J.P. all I see here are heavy predictions about the
>future state of the economy if Clinton wins, etc. etc. So how about
>a couple of actual issues? I'm curious about:

>1) How many of you have actually read Perot's book.

You can add me to this count.

>2) How many have actually read Clinton's book.

You can also add me to this count.

[What can I say?  My girlfriend works in a bookstore.]

>3) Who thinks that Perot will be a factor in Texas.

Now that he's declared I think he will be a big factor.  I suspect
that he hurts Bush more than he does Clinton, and may actually let
Clinton carry Texas.

>and
>4) Why is the debate format such a big deal?

Because the strengths of the two candidates are so different.  Bush
comes across fairly well when he can speak from prepared texts, but
sounds like a bozo if speaking extemporaneously.  Clinton is actually
quite strong at both of these.  The panel format that Bush wants
allows the candidates to give carefully scripted answers, since they
are both responding to the same questions and there is a time limit on
answers.  The format that the debate commission selected was chosen
because it was felt that it would lead to more discussion of the
issues themselves, rather than set-piece statements (which is what
Presidential debates seem to consist mostly of lately).  The actual
'debate' format, where the candidates have to actually respond to each
other's questions extemporaneously was seen as giving the viewers (us
voters) a better picture of the actual candidates and their policies.

Frankly, I agree with them.  

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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: taxes
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:46:08 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Sep28.155923.26115@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> moller@austin.ibm.com writes:
>IBM pays absolutely no attention to my	|   "Politicians are the same the 
>opinions, ergo the foregoing cannot	|   world over:  they promise to 
>possibly represent its position.	|   build a bridge even when there
>					|   is no river."
>Christian H. L. Moller			|     -- Nikita Khrushchev

Sounds like Nikita Khruschev gave instructions to Gov. Jimmy Davis, the
same Jimmy Davis who wrote the song "You Are My Sunshine".  It seems the
good Gov. built a bridge across the Mississippi just north of New Orleans
that was almost never used.  Weren't any people in that part of the state
to use the damned thing ...
-- 
John F. Haugh II           [  TSAKC  ]       UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: The blame game
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:32:55 GMT
Distribution: usa,tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <7507@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.093526.16799@montagar.com> davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
>>	You might have to.  You should be aware of lights-out operations and
>>that most companies are buying software off-the-shelf.  With all the automated
>>management going into systems, a system manager is little more than an
>>operator.  Buying supported off-the-shelf software is cheaper than hiring a
>>full time systems programmer.
> 
> Sorry. Minicomputer systems management != MVS systems programming. Not by a
> long shot.

	Whose talking about Minicomputer systems management?  I've seen some
lights-out operations here in Dallas on MVS systems!  It's here, today, now.
Read some trade journals.  One of the reasons I've gone into consulting is
because very few people need a full time systems programmer anymore.

	I'm not knocking systems programming or your skill, honest.  That's
what I do for a living myself.  However, you do need to understand the market
place and its directions if you want to keep a check (from somewhere...) coming
in at regular intervals.

> -- 
> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
>     Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
>   tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
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Montagar Software Concepts              |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc
P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX  75026-0772  |Fone: (214)-618-2117
Xref: sparky tx.politics:5749 alt.politics.clinton:7791
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Clinton Policies (was: Re: Legalized Theft)
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:22:30 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1aa2qoINN1tc@agate.berkeley.edu> lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
>Say, John, who is it who is vindictive?

This =is= a trick question, right?  The answer is pretty simple.

Let's see - you did say you were out to prove that everything I wrote
was a lie, correct?  Try looking up "vindictive" in the dictionary some
time.

>                                         Just because in our first
>exchange I showed you couldn't tell the difference between a per capita
>and per dollar statistic?

Again, go look up that definition of "vindictive."  It should be very
instructive.  The first thing you'd have to do is get off of this "I
taught HIM a lesson" kick.  I was, and I've stated this countless times
now, quite clear that didn't have the exact citation, etc., in front of
me.

>                           You should be grateful: I charge $20 an hour
>for stat tutoring. You got it free.

That's OK.  I pay about $20 per hour in taxes.  But if you are going to
keep taking my tax money (and UCB =does= receive Federal tax dollars, so
you =are= taking my tax money), I'd appreciate it if you'd actually get
back to work.  I'm not paying you to screw off.
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John F. Haugh II           [  TSAKC  ]       UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
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Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Subject: Re: Good Teachers in Public Schools (Was Re: Clinton ... (was Re: Theft))
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:51:16 GMT

In article <21644@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <fd4d17w@Unify.Com> ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
>>Haugh also seems to be unaware that the movie "Stand and Deliver" was a true
>>story.  Jaime Escalante, the high school calculus teacher whose story was
>>told in the movie, moved up here to Sacramento a little over a year ago.
>
>Escalante differs from Eric in one very real area - Escalante faught the
>system at almost every turn.  Eric supports the status quo.  He opposes most
>of the reforms in Bush's America 2000 proposal.  He supports the NEA.  He
>=is= the problem....

What does this have to do with Haugh's contention that all the good teachers
flee to private schools and only incompetent teachers remain in the public
school system?  Obviously one of the best teachers in the country is not only
in the public school system but intends to be whereever in the public school
system he is needed most.

It just dawned on me (I'm not stupid, just slow) that Barbara Bush should
abandon teacups for a nice green salad.  Then the Bush/Quayle ticket could
advertise itself as the Dinner Party:  Chicken, Potatoe, Salad, and Cookies.
But without the leafy green it's unbalanced, especially while broccoli re-
mains a banned substance.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: BullShit
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:23:22 GMT

In <21646@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>I don't believe that anyone on the net has the slightest clue how much I
>actually make.  Some people may have been mislead to believe they know, but
>the truth is that my income is a well guarded secret.  I can safely tell you
>that it is between $40K and $250K.  If it is convenient, I'll tell you that
>I make $60K per year.  On the other hand, it might be convenient to tell you
>that I make $160K per year.  I might even tell you that my gross income for
>last year was $97,365.  But it wasn't, unless you believe the people I told
>that.

So, what John Haugh II is telling us is that he will lie whenever it
is convenient to do so?  It seems my little theory about people who
demand such rigorous proof of anything they don't care to believe is
again confirmed.  John simply assumes that everyone else will lie the
way he says here that he will.  It must constantly surprise him that
some of us don't feel that that kind of lying is particularly
appropriate. 

It now leaves us with other questions, as well.  How much of the other
things he tells us are to be believed?  Does he really go out and help
build houses and cabinets and such for the poor, or is that just some
more of his convenient lying?  Ditto his statements about taxes,
giving to charity, or anything else?  Seems to me that someone who
states plainly that they will lie whenever it is convenient shouldn't
be trusted even when they give sources.  After all, they could lie,
selectively interpret, or selectively edit what they see.

>It is interesting that you feel the need to bring my (supposed) income into
>this discussion since it has nothing to do with subject at hand.  Is there
>anything else that isn't you business that you'd like for me to lie to you
>about?

You've convinced me.  Lie away.

>>All of that said I wish you well, but simply refuse to waste any more of my
>>time on your drivel.

>Ah, drivel.  It's drivel when you can't refute it.  I'll file that away
>under "Things to File Away."

No, drivel is when someone lies whenever it suits their convenience.
You know, John, like you've said here that you have and will continue
to do.

[My inbound newsfeed appears to be down for the weekend, so blaze
away, John.  I probably won't even see it, if you send it by tomorrow.
Assuming, of course, that outbound is working -- but it usually is,
even when inbound fails.]

-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: teachers on strike (rn't u glad u live in tx?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:03:18 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

(fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <4667@d75.UUCP> curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch/131072) writes:

>>*4   STRIKE UPDATE:  TEACHERS JAILED IN WARWICK, RHODE ISLAND

>You know, I really have to wonder what kind of reasoning allows people
>to be arrested FOR REFUSING TO GO BACK TO WORK.  I mean, surely they
>have the right to NOT go to work, don't they?  Seems to me that if

Can't argue with that, but should I not also have the right to FIRE
THEM ALL and hire someone else?  And I should not have to worry about
union-sponsored violence when i do so.

Like what Reagan did with the Air Traffic Controllers.  That was too
awesome.

Of course if we just fired half the stupid administrators and kept the
teachers, we could hire still more teachers and give the current ones a
raise and still have money left over with no drop in the quality of
education.

-- 
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curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt L. Finch) | AIX NFS/NIS Field Quality 
My views are unrelated to those of IBM     |        Austin, TX
 - Begin means testing of Social Security, Medicare and Farm Subsidies now. -
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.clinton
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Should Texans finance roads in Boston?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:32:24 GMT

In <1992Sep25.012133.24739@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:

>In article <1992Sep23.022723.13804@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:
>"mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>">bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:
>">
>">>I'd add transportation (unless it was already covered by the gasoline
>">>tax).  
>">
>">I'm curious.  Why transportation, of all things?  Why not just leave
>">that money in the various states and let them build roads and such
>">wherever they think they need them instead of it having to filter
>">through Washington first?  
>"
>"Because it's fun to waste money with extra layers of beaurocracy.
>"
>"Holy Cow.
>"For once I find myself agreeing with Fred.
>"
>"It makes absolutely no sense for me as a Texan to have to spend huge
>"sums of my tax money to rebuild the crumbling New England freeways.
>"
>"Let them fix their own roads.
>"

>We have ice and snow in Michigan too. Guess we'll have to pay for our own
>roads. You people in dry, dry Texas wont mind it, will you, if we charge
>you $1000/gallon for our Great Lakes water, now will you? We gotta have
>money to fix our crumbling roads, now don't we??

By all means, keep your water.  I hope you can swim, because if you
want to keep it, roads will soon become a moot point.  It would
probably also help our flooding situation here a lot if you DIDN'T let
it come downstream.

Now then, on the subject of roads, I believe that until recently Texas
has been a net BENEFICIARY of the Federal Highway funding (because the
place is just so damned BIG compared to the population density).  Now
that it looks like that could change, we hear a great outcry about how
people here don't want to pay for 'other people's roads'.  What's even
sillier is that we see the Feds promising that each state will get
back at least the amount of money that it puts in.  This leads me to
ask why, if they don't intend to move the money around as has been the
case in the past, the Feds should even be in the middle of this.
Seems that if everyone is going to wind up with the amount of money
their state collects, why not just let the states collect it and cut
out the middleman.

[Note that I deliberately make no comment on whether each state
getting out the amount it puts in is a good thing or not.]


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Pro-life vs. Pro-abortion
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:11:40 GMT

In <1992Sep29.152028.21240@watson.ibm.com> johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:

>NB:  I think whether a fetus feels pain or not is irrelevant to the
>abortion issue, but it's interesting from an academic standpoint.   

I agree, but whether or not a foetus feels pain or not is very
important to rabid anti-abortionists of John Haugh's stripe, because
they want to 'personalize' the foetus while depersonalizing the woman.
This allows them to make all these nice, emotion-based pleas while not
having to apply reason to the situation.  Great for swaying crowds,
but such arguments don't do much for people who don't already agree
with them.  In fact, because such rhetoric tends to cast those who
potentially disagree with them in the blackest roles possible, it is
actively counter-productive (assuming that the goal is to try to
convince people to agree and not just to make the speaker feel
'righteous'). 

Hence, you will see great efforts made to prove that a foetus has
everything an adult human has (readable brainwaves, pain, boredom,
dislike for 'sour' amniotic fluid, etc.).

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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: The blame game
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:38:38 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: usa
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <7434@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>Not when a significant part of the job involves getting next to the system
>console, it doesn't. MVS systems programming isn't like Unix systems
>programming; it can't reasonably be done over a network.

Actually, MVS systems programming CAN be done reasonably over the network.
There is nothing you can do to an MVS system that is on a machine that
is itself running that can't be done over a network.  I still have my 3x5
card with 3270 key mappings sitting next to my CGA monitor.  That same set
of key mappings that lets you re-IPL a MVS guest, etc.  The whole motivation
for CP and friends is to let you play with your new toy operating system
(be that operating system MVS or VM or ...) without having a REAL machine
to annoy.

Just remember the mantra -

There's no machine like a Virtual Machine.
There's no machine like a Virtual Machine.
There's no machine like a Virtual Machine.
-- 
John F. Haugh II           [  TSAKC  ]       UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
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From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Quality of Public Education.
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:11:24 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX

In article <1992Sep29.180318.17473@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:
>
>Of course if we just fired half the stupid administrators and kept the
>teachers, we could hire still more teachers and give the current ones a
>raise and still have money left over with no drop in the quality of
>education.
>
As the son of two public school teachers, I can tell you that one thing that is hurting
public education is the immense amount of paperwork they have to do as required by the 
state. They say that there is very little time left to actually teach anything anymore. 
It gets harder and harder every year just to do their jobs, what with all the paper they
have to wade through.

Big government hurts efficiency.
--
Griff Miller - miller@monarch.wg3.waii.com - My opinions are mine, not Western's.
  "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom 
   and discipline."   - Proverbs 1:7
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