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From: "Steve Thompson, Cheme System Mangler" <olin@cheme.tn.cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: A question and an enhancement request.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:44:53 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Brian Tillman (tillman@swdev.si.com) writes:
>
>John F. Sandhoff (sandhoff@csus.edu) writes:
>
>>My system is what I consider busy (typically over 1000 messages a day) and
>>I don't recall seeing this problem. I seem to recall that ONCE I got
>>a 'currently locked' error from FLQU SHOW but other than that I don't
>>see locks. CPU speed may have a lot to do with it - MX runs on an 8820
>>here (though sometimes at priority 1 - ouch!)
>
>Well, we use MX a *whole* lot less (about six people) and it's happened twice
 in
>the past month.  Now, that may seem very little, but it seems that if we
 release
>MX to all 500 of our accounts, we could very well see this much more
 frequently.
>This would mark MX in the minds of the Email people here as a flawed product
 and
>we would be forced to use our previous SMTP mailer (yuck!).
>

We run MX 3.1 on a 4000/500 which has about 600 accounts on it, with usually
90-200 active processes for 25-40 users (there's a lot of X terminals attached).
MX mail traffic volume is approximately 500 messages per day. I see the 'locked'
message about once every month. I've used the WIN/TCP mailer before MX, so
I suggest that you don't try it!

>John, if you still use FLQU, then you must still be using V2.x.  Perhaps this
>problem didn't exist in versions prior to V3.x (we're using V3.1C).
>
>At any rate, thanks for the comments.
>
>If anyone else can comment on incoming mail locking SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL in
 such
>a way as to elicit file locked errors from VMS mail when trying to *send* using
>MX% as the transport, please comment as well.

Well, I've seen it twice in about a year. Only one other person on my
system has complained to me about this. I don't consider it a big
problem.

Steve
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: A question and an enhancement request.
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:42:03 GMT

In article <0095DF3E.63BA2E00.8114@swdev.si.com>, "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" writes:
>My enhancement request is that MX open the log files differently, like VMS opens
>log files, so that one can TYPE the current log file to see what's going on.
>Riht now, I can see previous versions of the log, but when I try to type the
>current version, I get:
>
>$ typ mx_local_dir:mx_local_*.log
>%TYPE-W-OPENIN, error opening MX_ROOT:[LOCAL]MX_LOCAL_NODE1.LOG;14 as input
>-RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user

>It would be nice if MX would take out a different kind of lock on the log files.

It's not a matter of "tak[ing] out a different kind of lock," it's a matter of
opening the files with SHR=GET.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET (Hunter Goatley)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: A question and an enhancement request.
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:07:55 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

<carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU> writes:
>
>>My enhancement request is that MX open the log files differently, like VMS
[...]
>
>It's not a matter of "tak[ing] out a different kind of lock," it's a matter of
>opening the files with SHR=GET.
>
Yes, and it's something I plan to do.

Just so you know what's going on: I'm trying to finish up a couple of
major projects I've got going on.  Once those are complete, I'll be
spending some time on MX development.  Hopefully, this'll start within
the next two or three months....

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
From: harttree@vax1.elon.edu (Matt The Midnight Mortician)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: help!!  need information on lists on MX V3.1c
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:09:04 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

I have the CMU/TEK manual featuring the docs to MX v 2.3

I am running MX v 3.1C

I am lost!

I need to get a copy of the MX manual via FTP how can I do so???

What can (beyond the stupid and reaching into the FAQ area) y'all tell me about
setting up and maintaining lists under MX v 3.1C.  I really am lost on this!

How do I set up a list(s)


ANY AND ALL REPLIES ARE WELCOME

Thanks,
Matt
    "System security is a state of mind.  Real security is a warm blanket."
                            Matthew T. Harttree
                           HARTTREE@VAX1.ELON.EDU
         +919-584-2295  / +919-570-8120 (voice mail)  / +919-584-2575 (FAX)
------------------------------
[insert famous libility release statement here!]
From: claus@HERACC.desy.de (Matthias Clausen DESY -KRYK- / D-Hamburg)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: MX <-> PC connection via dialup modems
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:33:54 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

I want to send and receive mail from one (or more) PC's.
The connection VAX<->PC shall be setup by means of dialup modems.
I read about MultiTech's new MultiModem II which shall 'support' UUCP.

Software on the VAX:    VMS 5.4-3 / MX 3.1 and (UUCP ?)
  Questions:
  -     Where do I get a UUCP version which will also do the dialup?
  -     If dialup is not possible - where can I get the DECUS UUCP 2.0 from?

Software on the PC:     DOS (sigh)
  Questions:
  -     Is there a way to get 'something' running under DOS? -how?
  -     If only UNIX is possible - what would be the solution?

Thanks for all input!


   Matthias Clausen             Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron
                                              DESY
                            Gruppe: KRYK / F36H
                            Notkestrasse 85         VXHERA::CLAUS
                            W-2000 Hamburg 52       CLAUS@DESYVAX.BITNET
                            Tel: -49 40 8998-3256   claus@heracc.desy.de
                            Fax: -49 40 8998-5388   PSI%(0262)45050354002::CLAUS

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         Gruppe: KRYK                          DESY/Hamburg, Germany
From: goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET (Hunter Goatley)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: help
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:12:49 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Matt The Midnight Mortician <harttree@vax1.elon.edu> writes:
>
>I appreciate the answers to my original questions about listservers on
>MX.
>
>I have created the following list using mlf_config:
>
[...]
>I sent (several) messages to emedia-request with "SUBSCRIBE" as the body and
>they just sit in the queue.  This is a vax 8350 running vms 5.5.  Any takers on
>this one????
>
Sounds like the MLF process may not be running.  Is it (MX MLF) there?

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: A question and an enhancement request.
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:59:05 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <0095E029.C20869E0.1045@SHSU.edu>, "George D. Greenwade"
<bed_gdg@SHSU.BITNET> writes:
>Hunter already shared our approach -- we don't allow MX to ever compress
>the file; instead, we shut it down each morning around 0100, then do the
>compression in a daily batch job (the SYSTEM_QUEUE.FLQ_CTL file generally
>goes from 7000+ blocks back down to <300 during this process).  

But since doing the reclaim while MX is up is the standard way the system works,
it'd be nice if the other components of MX were aware of this and tolerant of
it. Perhaps a lock could be used for access to the file? That way, the router
could lock it exclusive and spawn the convert/reclaim, so that everyone else
would wait for it rather than dying. It's real frustrating to lose a message
because when you finished it and sent it, the mailer died.

Also, there's a set of circumstances (see the VMS 5.4-3 release notes) in which
convert/reclaim is very unsafe. Does anyone know if MX is in danger from this?
If so, I may just follow Hunter and George's lead and do the convert with MX
down. It'd be a pain though.

This hasn't happened to me, but then, I just installed MX today. :-) I've had
other mailers die on me, and I hate it.

BTW, while I'm here, I'm a little unclear on when you need to shutdown and
restart MX or just reset it when you change things from MCP. Does it always
require a shutdown and restart, or just a reset, or what? 
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Xref: sparky vmsnet.mail.mx:766 vmsnet.uucp:606
From: Matt The Midnight Mortician <harttree@vax1.elon.edu>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: help!!! list serrver
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:59:44 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

HI!

        I really need some help:

Is there a better listserver program around with more features than the
one currently in use by MX.  As much as I like Mx the listserver program
leaves me green with envy for the Listserv program for internet.  Is there a
port of this available by FTP for CMU/TEK???  I would like something
that is easy to administrate and has a better set of commands.

TIME IS TIGHT ON THIS!!

I would really appreciate your help.

Thanks in advance!

MATT


FAQ possibly but it is overdue.....
P.S.  Is Matt Madison still alive??
(address at rpi is returned to me- I have old manuals!!!)
I owe him a public thanks for creating Mx and
Watcher and etc...  Our vax is slowly becoming a beachfront for his warez!

THANKS!
    "System security is a state of mind.  Real security is a warm blanket."
                            Matthew T. Harttree
                           HARTTREE@VAX1.ELON.EDU
         +919-584-2295  / +919-570-8120 (voice mail)  / +919-584-2575 (FAX)
------------------------------
[insert famous libility release statement here!]
From: Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: A question and an enhancement request.
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:55:00 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Lyle Hunter (hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu) writes:

>The only time we have seen a locked message is when it is compressing
>or purging.

This may be the case with us.  I know how to determine how *frequently* the
queue file gets compresses, but how does one determine *when* the compression
occurs.  I'd like to make sure the compression occurs during the wee hours of
the night when the possibility of outbound mail is slight.

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |
 4141 Eastern Ave. MS129     | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
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From: Mighty Firebreather <dragon@nscvax.princeton.edu>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: ADDRESSING PROBLEM
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:23:16 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

        Patrice LEGOUX <Patrice.Legoux@gsi.fr> writes:
>
>Does someone known what is the Internet translation for this address :
>
>        uunet.UU.NET!apexepa!jcj
>

        Try jcj@apexepa.uunet.UU.NET.


*************************************************************************
*                                                                       *
*                        Here, there be dragons!                        *
*                      dragon@nscvax.princeton.edu                      *
*                                                                       *
*                                                Richard B. Gilbert     *
*************************************************************************
From: isenhour@linac.fnal.gov (John Isenhour x3401)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Problem with mailserv auto notices
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:03:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Fermiland, Batavia, IL

I just installed MX and I am having trouble with MLF not sending the
appropriate files in mx_list_dir:*.txt.  It will allow subscribe commands and
then transfer correctly but it wont mail any kind of confirmation.  If you send
commands to -request (like help) its accepts them, and I get disk activity on
the mx machine, but emailwize it does not return a response.  As the list
manager on the same node, I have been able to elicit a help message.  From
any other node it does not work.  The only thing that seemed unusual was that
the mlf config program did not ask for a disk:dir location for the list, just
an archive filename.  Any suggestions appreciated.

-john
From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425"
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: A question and an enhancement request.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:39:07 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

What about my problem: the "file locked by another user" for the queue file when
receiving and trying to send mail at the same time?  This has nothing to do with
the log files.  Actually, I could live without the latest logs, but the denial
of mail sending is a problem.

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |
 4141 Eastern Ave. MS129     | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
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From: "DAVID L. CUSTER" <SYSMGR@PSUHMED.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Bitnet to Mailer problem
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:34 EST
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

   Our BITNET node's "server1 tag" identifies us as having a mailer called
"MAILER". We are running UCX V1.3, MX V3.0 and Jnet V3.5. All the MX processes
run under the MAILER account. Our problem is that none of the mail arriving
over BITNET gets distributed to the intended user. It all ends up as mail for
user Mailer. Is this as it should be? If not, can anyone suggest a possible
solution to our problem? Thank you.
                                                Dave Custer
From: madison@tgv.com (Matt Madison)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: Distrib list stripped from "To:" header
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: madison@tgv.com
Organization: TGV, Incorporated

In article <0095E570.9F855120.8897@ccs.ios.bc.ca>, "Bob Johns, (604)363-6520" <bob@ccs.ios.bc.ca> writes:
>Can anyone explain why MX displays only my name in the "To:" header
>when a colleague has sent the message to several names via a distribution
>list from a Sun workstation?

I expect because it was received that way.  MX doesn't normally muck around
with the RFC822 To: header.  Wouldn't surprise me if the Sun was doing so
before it sent the message to your system.

You can confirm this by turning on debugging in the SMTP server and examining
the resulting log file the next time a message of that type is sent.

-Matt
--
Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com    | +1 408 427 4366
TGV, Inc.       | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA
From: "George D. Greenwade" <bed_gdg@SHSU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: ADDRESSING PROBLEM
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:26:06 CDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Patrice LEGOUX <Patrice.Legoux@gsi.fr> asked:
> Does someone known what is the Internet translation for this address :
>
>         uunet.UU.NET!apexepa!jcj
>
To which Richard B. Gilbert (Mighty Firebreather)
<dragon@nscvax.princeton.edu> replied:
>         Try jcj@apexepa.uunet.UU.NET.
Followed by Jonathan E. Hardis <hardis@vax844.phy.nist.gov>, who said:
> Better, try:  jcj%apexepa@uunet.uu.net

Okay, I'll play stupid on this -- by the MX defaults, wouldn't:
                            <jcj@apexepa.uucp>
be the appropriate address since .uucp routes back through @UUNET.UU.NET:?

Regards,   George
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George D. Greenwade, Ph.D.                            Bitnet:  BED_GDG@SHSU
Department of Economics and Business Analysis         THEnet: SHSU::BED_GDG
College of Business Administration                    Voice: (409) 294-1266
P. O. Box 2118                                        FAX:   (409) 294-3612
Sam Houston State University              Internet:        bed_gdg@SHSU.edu
Huntsville, TX 77341                      bed_gdg%SHSU.decnet@relay.the.net
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From: syssand@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU (John F. Sandhoff)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: What's a valid username?
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:13:38 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List


Okay all you RFC822 experts,

What comprises a valid username? I'm looking at RFC822 and am a little
surprised because my interpretation of it is that "#" and "$" are legal
characters for a username. Is this in fact correct?

(The reason I ask, we're receiving messages from a username that
contains an embedded "#" and sendmail is choking on it. I need to know
if this is my problem or 'their' problem. And yes, this is on a U*ix
system, not MX on our VAXen. So yes, I'm abusing this list by asking a
non-MX question, but this is also where a lot of the mail experts live
so please accept my apologies...)

    John F. Sandhoff, University Network Support
      California State University, Sacramento - USA
        sandhoff@csus.edu
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: A question and an enhancement request.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:32:29 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

"Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" writes:
>
>This may be the case with us.  I know how to determine how *frequently* the
>queue file gets compresses, but how does one determine *when* the compression
>occurs.  I'd like to make sure the compression occurs during the wee hours of
>the night when the possibility of outbound mail is slight.
>
It *should* only compress once a day, by default.  The interval is
controlled by the logical FLQ_RECLAIM_WAIT, which defaults to
"1 00:00:00.00".  The other logicals are FLQ_CHECK_WAIT and
FLQ_PURGE_WAIT---they're described in section 6.1 of the MX manager's
guide.

Because I run JANTIDY every night at 3:45, I always bring MX down and
do the CONVERT myself, then bring MX back up.  I had to set
FLQ_RECLAIM_WAIT to "2 00:00:00", though, because occasionally the
interval would expire before JANTIDY got finished with its business.

In case anyone is interested, I've include my MX_JANTIDY.COM below.
I call it from JANTIDY right before Jnet is restarted.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251

$ set noon
$ say := write sys$output
$ mcp := $mx_exe:mcp.exe/file=mx_dir:mx_config.mxcfg
$ say "Shutting down MX"
$ mcp shutdown
$ wait 00:00:30         !Wait for them to shutdown
$ convert/fdl=flq_dir:system_queue flq_dir:system_queue.flq_ctl -
        flq_dir:system_queue.flq_ctl;
$ purge flq_dir:system_queue.flq_ctl
$ rename flq_dir:system_queue.flq_ctl; ;1
$ say ""
$ say "Restarting MX"
$ submit/user=mxmailer sys$startup:mx_startup.com
$ wait 00:00:30
$ exit
From: "George D. Greenwade" <bed_gdg@SHSU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: help!!! list serrver
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:08:21 CDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:59:44 EDT, Matt (The Midnight Mortician) Harttree
<harttree@vax1.elon.edu> posted:
> Is there a better listserver program around with more features than the one
> currently in use by MX.  As much as I like Mx the listserver program leaves
> me green with envy for the Listserv program for internet.  Is there a port
> of this available by FTP for CMU/TEK???  I would like something that is
> easy to administrate and has a better set of commands.

If you mean Eric Thomas' VM/CMS based LISTSERV, no.  If you mean the
listserv sets run on Unix machines which have been posted to various
newsgroups on Usenet, no.  If I am wrong on this, someone please correct
me!!  Among the three, Eric's LISTSERV is (quite possibly) the best (known,
certainly, if not in features and functionality, as well), although the
features added by Matt Madison in the latest iterations of MX, when
combined with the file server capabilities come very close.  From reports I
have seen (no I haven't loaded it and actually test driven it -- yet), the
Unix-based nice tries at listserv are just that -- nice tries; however, I
know they are making progress.

Question (to give food for thought in development):  What specific aspects
of "easy to administrate and ... better set of commands" might you be
looking for?  I believe that Hunter would have an interest in this as he
and I have exchanged some ideas for future development in the MLF
processor.  Which leads to:

> P.S.  Is Matt Madison still alive?? (address at rpi is returned to me- I
> have old manuals!!!) I owe him a public thanks for creating Mx and Watcher
> and etc...  Our vax is slowly becoming a beachfront for his warez!

Matt has moved on to different (if not greener or more pleasantly climatic)
pastures.  He is now associated with TGV -- the MultiNet folks of VMS
TCP/IP fame and fortune.  His address is now <madison@TGV.com>.  Matt
turned over MX development and maintenance to the very competent hands of
Hunter Goatley <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET>, who now receives all of the mail
with development suggestions from me which previously went to Matt.

Regards,   George
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George D. Greenwade, Ph.D.                            Bitnet:  BED_GDG@SHSU
Department of Economics and Business Analysis         THEnet: SHSU::BED_GDG
College of Business Administration                    Voice: (409) 294-1266
P. O. Box 2118                                        FAX:   (409) 294-3612
Sam Houston State University              Internet:        bed_gdg@SHSU.edu
Huntsville, TX 77341                      bed_gdg%SHSU.decnet@relay.the.net
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