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From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: German Baptismal Names
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:43:30 GMT
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Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <ROOTS-L%93011210571309@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Suzanne Badenhop <AHCSBB@UKCC.UKY.EDU> writes:
>   It is my understanding that no matter how many names a child
>   was given at baptism (two, three, four or five) the common name
>   used was the last name.

In a German book on the genealogy of the Spannuth family that I have,
the common name is printed in boldface, and the other names in regular
type.  The common name doesn't seem to be always the last given name.

  Stamm=Buch der Familie Span Uth 1470-1912.  Stammtafeln, Chroniken,
  Bilder und Lebensbeschreibungen aus den Familien Spanuth, Spannuth,
  Spannhuth, Spannaus und Spanaus.  Zusammengestellt von Gottfried
  Spanuth.  (Schleswig: Vogt, October 1912).  Contains 51 tables of
  Spannuths of various spellings, not all connected together, and
  numerous photos, documentary extractions, and stories.

=Jim  eggertj%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)

Researching:  Assies, Bre(d)thauer, Eggert, Foth, Hackel, Husni, 
              Kalooky, Kindler, Nehring, Nershi, Re(h)winkel,
              Schall, Schreiner, Span(n)uth, Ullmer, Ziemke 
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=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: CURTNER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Robert Curtner)
Subject: ROCH and BONIN in Quebec, Massachusetts, Connecticut
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:38:38 GMT
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I am looking for the Roch or Rock, and Bonin families in Massachusetts, 
Connecticut and Quebec.

The Baptism Certificate for John Arthur Bouchard gives the following 
information:
Certificate of Jean Arthur
Infant of Arthur Bouchard and of Josephine Roch
Born 29 Sept. 1897
Baptized 3 Oct. 1897
Saint Antonie, New Bedford, Mass.

NOTE: the copy of the birth certificate from the city of New Bedford, 
Massachusetts  lists the mother's last name as Rock.

Arthur Bouchard; born in Dodgeville, Massachusetts
marries 
Josephine Roch; born in Mossup, Connecticut

From the Marriage Record Book 1890-1906; year 1895; page 84 of the
Sacred Heart Parish of New Bedford, Massachusetts comes the 
following information:

GROOM  Arthur Bouchard
BRIDE  Josephine Roch

PARENTS
      GROOM  Marcel Bouchard & Rachel Robert
      BRIDE  Jean Baptiste Roch & Louise Bonin

WITNESSES  Jean Baptiste Roch & Clara Bouchard

PLACE OF MARRIAGE  Sacred Heart, N.B.   Feb 24, 1895

I have located the family in the 1880 and 1900 census information.

In 1880 I find John and Louise Rock living in Norwich, Connecticut. 
John is working  in a cotton mill.  John is listed as born in
Canada and both of his parents are listed as born in Canada. 
Louise is listed as born in Massachusetts and both of her parents
are listed as born in Canada.  Living with them are children named:
Louis, Eliza, John, Josephine (5 years old), Alfred and Mary.

In the 1900 census I find John and Loise Rock living in New
Bedford, Massachusetts. John is listed as born in French-Canada as
are both of his parents.  Loise is listed as born in Massachusetts
and both of her parents are listed as born in French-Canada.  
Living with them are children named: Fred, Mary, Rosanna, Charles,
and Eva.

All the children in both census are listed as born in Connecticut,
except Eva who is listed as born in Rhode Island.

Does this connect whith anything that you have?  Any ideas on where to go 
from here.  I can not find the Bonin family in the census.

Thanks.

Bob Curtner
curtner@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
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Subject: Re: Dorsey Octavis and Weltha Elmina Miller
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:51:53 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <m0nA4JJ-0000LkC@stjohns.ohsu.edu> "Barbara Lighthizer,MAC,Otolaryngology" <lighthiz@OHSU.EDU> writes:
>>To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

>I am looking for information regarding my grandfather, Dorsey Octavis
>Lighthizer, born about 1850 in Wisconsin....

Melvyl says:

There exist Lighthizers such that they are in my catalog:

1.
Author: United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on Finance.
Title:  Nomination of Robert E. Lighthizer : hearing before the
Committee on Finance, United States Senate, Ninety-eighth
Congress, first session, on the nomination of Robert E.
Lighthizer to be Deputy U.S. Trade Representative, April 14,
1983. Washington : U.S. G.P.O., 1983.
Description:    iii, 8 p. ; 24 cm.

Series: S. hrg. ; 98-48.

Doc Numbers:    Govt Doc No.:   Y 4.F 49:S.hrg.98-48

Notes:  Item 1038-A, 1038-B (microfiche)

Subjects:       Lighthizer, Robert E., 1947-
United States. Office of the U.S. Trade Representative --
Officials and employees.

Other entries: United States. Congress. Senate S. hrg. ; v 98-48.

Call numbers:   UCB     Documents J60 .F4 98th no.5
UCLA    Law Lib Y4.F49:S.hrg.98-48 SuDocs
CSL     Main LibY 4.F 49:S.hrg.98-48 Govt Pubs
1.
Author: Blanpied, William A.
Title:  Research and development in the federal budget : colloquium
proceedings, June 15-16, 1976 / edited by William A. Blanpied
and Catherine Lightizer. Washington : American Association for
the Advancement of Science, c1976.
Description:    v, 136 p. ; 23cm.

Series: Report - AAAS ; no. 76-R-12.

Notes:  At head of title: Committee on Science and Public Policy,
American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Bibliographical footnotes.

Subjects:       Budget -- United States -- Addresses, essays, lectures.
Research -- United States -- Finance -- Addresses, essays,
lectures.

Other entries: Lighthizer, Catherine.
American Association for the Advancement of Science. Committee
on Science and Public Policy.

Call numbers:   CSL     Main LibHJ2052 B55 General Coll

2.
Author: Lyles, Richard W.
Title:  Quasi-induced exposure revisited / Richard W. Lyles, Polichronis
Stamatiadis, and Dale R. Lighthizer.
Found in:       Accident analysis and prevention. Vol. 23, no. 4 (Aug.
1991)
Description:    p. 275-285 : ill. ; 28 cm.

Notes:  Includes bibliographical references.

Subjects:       Traffic accidents -- Statistical methods.

Other entries: Stamatiadis, Polichronis.
Lighthizer, Dale R.

Call numbers:   UCB     Trans   See journal

Hope this helps...

Tom
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
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Date: 6 Jan 93 10:58:35 GMT
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bmadsen@VORTECH.COM (Brian Madsen) writes:

>Um, just for the record, has anybody ever been to a FHC that DOESN'T
>have a 3.5 inch drive?

Yupp.

>It was my understanding that all FHC's which provide FamilySearch do
>so on an IBM PS/2 -- not a compatible, not an AT, but a genuine IBM.
>I understood that this was official LDS Church policy with regard to
>the use of PC's in FHC's.

Nope. An Epson was in use here in NJ when I was there before Christmas. And 
since I did not have any disks with me they sold me 360KB diskettes. At least 
that is all the machine would write to them. Could have been a software 
limitation too. There was a 3.5 inch discette in the box too but they had no 
disks for it.

>If anyone knows whether any of these statements are not true, would
>you please bring them to my attention?  I'm a volunteer at my local
>FHC, and this is what I've been telling people.  I'd like to be sure
>I'm not steering people wrong.

Fred
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr
From: drostet@uoft02.utoledo.edu
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Subject: Re: Military records of the Austro-Hungarian empire
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:57:27 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1993Jan12.145656.4920@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson) writes:
> brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj) writes:
> 
>>   Has anyone had experience in researching names in the military archives
>>of the Austro-Hungarian empire?  Do they still exist?  I'm interested in
>>their records for the last two centuries.  I guess they would be in Vienna.
>>Any information would be appreciated - email welcome.  Thank you!
> 

A Hungarian Genealogical Society (nationwide) has been formed with the 
main person behind it located here in Toledo.  I have her name and address,
along with other info about the society at home.  I'll try to bring in the 
info and post it within the next couple of days.   (if you don't see a
post soon, you might want to gently remind me!)   The way she described
it at the Nortwestern Ohio Genealogical Society meeting was a network of
Hungarian researchers who could help with maps, translations, etc.  There
are currently no dues and there is supposed to be a newsletter (if I 
remember correctly).  

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From:         "RICH @ 5121" <switzer@KENYON.EDU>
Subject:      Dry Chickens
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Thank you, Richard Pennell for asking.
Thank you, David Carson for answering.

Rich
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From:         "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Have you seen these books?
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Several people have asked for more information about these books, so I'll
post it. I am NOT advertising. I am merely quoting advertisements.

>From "The Frontier Press" -
>
>  _The Scotch-Irish: A Social History_, by Leyburn. A study of these people
>  in Scotland, their removal to Northern Ireland, and their migrations to
>  America.

The Frontier Press
15 Quintana Drive, Suite 157
Galveston, Texas  77554
(409) 740-0138                  (from pg. 21 of Nov/Dec Genealogical Helper)


>From "Hoenstine Rental Library" (rental only)
>  _Guide To Historical & Genealogical Research In Pennsylvania_

Hoenstine Rental Library
414 Montgomery St.
Hollidaysburg, PA  16648
(send SASE for details)         (from pg. 43 of Nov/Dec Genealogical Helper)

>From Carl Boyer -
>  _Ancestors of American Presidents_, revised edition compiled by Gary Boyd
>  Roberts.

330 pages, updated in Sept. 1989, $30.00
(add $2 per order for postage) (CA residents add sales tax)

Carl Boyer, 3rd
P.O. Box 333 (GH-12)
Santa Clarita, CA  91322        (from pg. 113 of Nov/Dec Genealogical Helper)

>From "Southwest Pennsylvania Genealogical Services" -
>  _The Pennsylvania Line: A Research Guide to Pennsylvania Genealogy and
>  Local History_. (Books, Maps, Microfilm, Newspapers, Census, etc.)

$10.50 postpaid (PA residents: $11.13)
                                (from pg. 187 of Nov/Dec Genealogical Helper)

>  _The Pennsylvania Genealogist & Historian_, "The only magazine devoted
>  entirely to helping the Pennsylvania researcher"

published quarterly, 48 pages   (from pg. 192 of Nov/Dec Genealogical Helper)

One year:  $15 (PA residents $15.90, Canada $18)
Two years: $28 (PA residents $29.68, Canada $34)

Southwest Pennsylvania Genealogical Services
P.O Box 253-ND
Laughlintown, PA  15655


>  Jennifer R. Amon
>  Amherst, Ohio      bamon@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu
>
>****************************************************************
>RESEARCHING:
>  AMON     (PA/Switz?)  DODD        (PA)           BROWN   (NJ)
>  FARVER   (PA)         FREEMAN     (England)      INSLEY  (NJ)
>  HEASLEY  (PA)         HAYES       (DE)           RIGGS   (NJ)
>  FOULK    (PA)         HONEY       (DE)           ROY     (NJ)
>  BUCHANAN (PA, Scot.)  CAPLAN      (Balto.,Lith.) REIMER  (NJ)
>  STRIGHT  (PA)         FRIEDLANDER (Lith.)        STEVENS (CT)
>  RUSSELL  (PA)         CARROLL     (PA)           BOVARD
>****************************************************************
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Apple File Exchange will also format the disk in IBM format.
From: alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier]
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Libraries
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:40:53 GMT
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Organization: British Mistletoe Testers Group

Also sprach STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM
}In regards to MELVYL, am I to understand that if you cannot TELNET,
}or do not live in the state of California, MELVYL is worthless as a
}resource?
}
}Every MELVYL reference here on ROOTS-L seems like a taunt:  I have
}access to these resources and you don't!"  It's frustrating.

Oh, come on!

The guy uses a tool that is available to him but not to you. You
then know a bit more than you did. OK, you may have some trouble
following up the references, but you're in no worse a situation
than you were, and might be considerably better placed.


--
  Alan M Stanier   | Alan Michael, son of Roger William, son of William Edwin,
 alan@essex.ac.uk  | son of William John, son of William, son of John, son of
tel +44 206 872153 | William ... (research still in progress)
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From: v045100@otis1.stortek.com (Jennifer Farnham)
Subject: Question on relation 
Reply-To: v045100@otis1.UUCP (Jennifer Farnham)
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:03:04 GMT



Heres the scenario:    Two siblings.

Sister and Brother.

Sister has daughter and daughter has two sons.

Brother has son.

What is the Brother's son to the daughter's sons?
What is the brother to the daughter's sons?


Thanks in advance, 
Jennifer E. Farnham
StorageTek, Louisville, Co.
email to: v045100@query.stortek.co

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From: pikedav@duc.auburn.edu (David Pike)
Subject: Re: Illegal Church Marriages
Organization: Auburn University, Alabama
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:40:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.180859.9933@ac.dal.ca> davidson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <3286603@MTS.RPI.EDU>, David_L._Carson@MTS.RPI.EDU writes:
>> In this country preachers are usually licensed by the state or county to issue
>> certifications of marriage--except in some cases.
>> 
>> Mennonite ministers in PA traditionally held no such license.  That is why
>> many Mennonites also got married in civil ceremonies or in services in other
>> churches.
>> 
>> Are there other denominations which have experienced the same problem?
>> 
>
>I don't have the exact dates handy but for a time, in Nova Scotia, only 
>clergy of the Established Church (Anglican [Episcopal]) could legally 
>perform marriages. 
>
>Jonathan Davidson
>

In Newfoundland, the law (as of the late 1820's) was that Methodist
ministers could only perform marriages in places too remote to have
regular contact with Anglican ministers.

This came to my attention in December while at the United Church Archives
in Toronto.  There were two marriages performed by Rev. John Corlett 
(Methodist missionary) in Trinity, Trinity Bay during the absence of
Rev. William Bullock (the Anglican minister).  Upon Rev. Bullock's return
there was apparently quite a confrontation as it wasn't until some time
later that it was settled... the Governor decreed that the two marriages
performed by Rev. Corlett were against the letter of the law.

As a result, Rev. Corlett inquired about the legality of his performing
marriages at English Harbour, Trinity Bay.  English Harbour, which is not
far (but not entirely close either) from Trinity did not have any chapel
or other place of worship for those of the Anglican faith.  It did, however,
have a Methodist chapel.  The response from the Governor was that Rev. 
Corlett could not legally ratify marriages at English Harbour... it did not
matter if both parties were of the Methodist faith or not.

From the sound of Rev. Corlett's inquiry about English Harbour, I believe
that he had been performing marriages at English Harbour without any
suspicion that such marriages were considered illegal.

I don't know when the laws were relaxed to give Methodists (and others?)
more freedom where marriage was concerned.  My main concern right now is
finding any records Rev. Corlett may have kept documenting who he married
(as well as baptised and buried :-).

- David.


--
David Pike              Researching: Batstone, Ford, Greening, Hobbs, Ivany,
pikedav@mail.auburn.edu              Janes, Jones, King, Lintern, Penney,
pikedav@lab3.duc.auburn.edu          Pike, Pottle, Price/Priest, Quinton,
Auburn University, Auburn, Alabama   Sheppard, Vaughan, Walters, Wells
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From: daver@dracula.mentorg.com (Dave Reynolds)
Subject: Re:      Nickname
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:06:12 GMT
Reply-To: greg_cagle@mentorg.com
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <ROOTS-L%93011122384107@VM1.NODAK.EDU>,         JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU writes:
>Does anyone know the origin of the given name "Dicey"?  Is it a nickname or a
>given name?
>
>Jean Spradlin-Miller
>jmiller@prime.mhsl.uab.edu

I have a g-g-g-grandmother by that name, and a cousin
told me that it was a nickname for "Laodicea."
--- 
Dave Reynolds                                       hm: (503) 244-4027
dave_reynolds@mentorg.com                           wk: (503) 685-1335

Researching:  Alley, Boatright, Coleman, Gann, Glenn, Harwood, Henry,
  Kienzle, Kneifl, Lemire, Meirose, Parent, Parker, Reynolds, Sisk,
  Schieffer, Whitford
From: lukeh@math.rutgers.edu (Luke Higgins)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: WELK (as in Lawrence)
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:50:31 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I have come to find out that I am related to Lawrence WELK.
I've been told that he was my grandmother's first cousin.  I don't
have the names of any of our common ancestors. Does anyone know the
names of Lawrence WELK's grandparents? Any information pointing me
in the right direction would be very helpful!  Thanks!

Luke Higgins
(just starting out- as I guess you can see)

Names of Interest:
HIGGINS,PETERSON,SILVERS - anything from western N.C.(Yancey County)
from 1910 and earlier.
KELLER - family settled in Karlsrhue, North Dakota from Germany in 1870-80's
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From:         Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Base-born vs. bastard
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.NoDak.edu

In many early Virginia court records there are references to children
either being "base-born" or being "bastard".  Are these two terms for
the same concept?  Or do they have class connotations such as bastard
refers to upper class out of wedlock children and baseborn referring
to lower class out of wedlock?  Or does it have to do with gender as
in a man had a bastard but a woman had a baseborn?  OR any of the
above?

Thanks
Frieda
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From:         Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Relatedness Article (was Counting Chromosomes)
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Jim Freed wrote:

  Consequently, a better question may be similar to the following: how
  much genetic information "one could expect to have in common with a
  sibling, parent, Nth cousin Mth removed, etc."  The answer to that
  question and the availability of a table that answers such questions
  is best left to a population geneticist, and my references are
  incomplete on that point.

I've written an article on this subject, with tables.  It shows how to
calculate the (probable) relatedness of, say, two children who have
the same father but whose mothers were aunt and niece.

I would be glad to email the article to people if you'll send me any
comments you have.  I'd prefer not to post it because it's rather
long; also posting it might cause problems if I try to get it
published later.  If you'd like to see the article, email me (by
Jan. 17 or after Jan. 31) at either address below.

Disclaimer: I'm an environmental chemist, not a geneticist, but I've
taken more math courses than anyone ought to.

Carol Botteron    botteron@bu-it.bu.edu   botteron@ai.mit.edu
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The question on relationship terminology has been discussed, probably,
for generations, with no "official body" if such is available, making
a ruling.  Certainly among genealogists, it does appear that there is
agreement that the children of my first cousin are first cousins once
removed (NOT second cousins).  The question of relationship of the
grandchild of an individual and that individuals sibling is not so clear.
I prefer grand aunt/grand uncle and grand niece/grand nephew, rather
than using "great" as a prefix (i.e., great aunt, etc.) since the
relationship is at the "grand" parent line NOT the "great grand"
parent line.  SO use whatever is choice, but be consistent, and if
necessary, explain the relationships clearly in an example, if you
are using the terms in a publication.
--Jim Freed--
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From:         Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      "lost" library
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Can anyone tell me where the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers Waterways
Experiment Station is?  We have found access to their library's online
catalog but have no clue as to what kind of collection we are looking
through!!!

thanks
Frieda