From: jad@ckuxb.att.com (John A Dinardo)
Subject: Part III, BUSH/CLINTON: Co-Conspirators in CIA Drug Smuggling Industry
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: Bush/Clinton: Co-Conspirators in CIA Drug Smuggling Industry
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:40:16 GMT

        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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                        (continuation)
PAUL DeRIENZO:
	So Larry Nichols is now saying that Buddy Young, the chief of 
	Governor Clinton's gubernatorial campaign has told him that 
	he's a dead man.
	
MARK SWANEY:
	Yes, that is the information that Larry Nichols gave to us. 
	Now as I say, that has not been reported anywhere else and 
	I would not bet a lot right now on Mr. Nichols backing that 
	statement up. But I back it up.
	
PAUL DeRIENZO:
	And this is prior to him dropping this lawsuit against  
	Governor Clinton.
	
MARK SWANEY:
	Yes. The timing of his dropping the lawsuit is interesting to 
	us too, because we just recently were in contact with the Nation 
	Magazine, and it was approximately two days after the Nation 
	Magazine actually decided to take the information that we had 
	collected on this case very seriously. And in fact, they are  
	now pursuing their own investigative journalism on this. It was 
	about two days after that that Larry Nichols declared that he 
	was going to drop his lawsuit.  So there's some very strange 
	things that are going on.  There's a great deal of other 
	information connecting Governor Clinton to the operation 
	in Mena.  We don't have what you'd call a smoking gun on this. 
	I have in front of me a piece of paper on which I've written 
	17 questions for the Governor that the media has totally 
	overlooked in their haste to salivate over all these sexual 
	stories. They've totally missed what's available.  For example, 
	the organization that I work for has been .... I don't say I work for. 
	Nobody pays us. We're getting broke doing this. But in any case, 
	we've collected just about everything that's publicly available 
	about Mena and all of its ramifications. Its a tremendous 
	story, and I'd like to emphasize right now that Governor
	Clinton's part in this is very minor. The real big fish in this
	story is George Bush. The damage that could come from this 
	information coming out is, in fact, far more damaging to George 
	Bush than anyone else, because he's directly responsible for this. 
	This operation was run out of then-Vice-President George Bush's 
	office. And I'd also like to add that the Arkansas chapter 
	of the Iran-Contra story was the one that was most heavily 
	covered up at the time. It was part of the story they had 
	that they took the most care to see to it that nothing ever 
	came out about it.  And that was for two reasons:  1) because 
	it involves massive cocaine smuggling. We had one pilot that 
	came to the University and spoke directly to us and said: 
	"I personally flew for the CIA guns, Panamanian Defense 
	forces and approximately one ton of cocaine per flight.
	I flew seven of these flights into Mena, Arkansas."  So they 
	wanted to cover it up because it was the one thing that would 
	have exposed the drug connection within the United States 
	most heavily. 2) And the other reason that they were very 
	anxious to cover up Mena's involvement was because the base 
	of operations that the CIA was using was, in fact, still active 
	at the time the hearings were going on. And that base of 
	operations supports covert operations all around the world, 
	not just in Central America.  For example, there's a current 
	covert operation that was going on there at least as late as
	May of last year that killed a man from Arkansas and Angola.
	So the entire time that Barry Seal was operating out of that 
	airport the CIA was supporting their covert war with Jonas Savimbe
	and Manunita(sp) in Angola.  And we have sources within the 
	United States Government that there is covert activity going on 
	in it this very day.
	
	
PAUL DeRIENZO:
	Thank you very much, Mark Swaney. This is an amazing story and
	the amazing thing about it is that this is the REAL story about
	Governor Bill Clinton and that what we're getting served to us from 
	all the media, from start to finish, from morning to night, headlines
	in all the New York papers, is this thing about Governor Clinton 
	and this woman Jennifer Flowers, and her association with the 
	Governor who is married for 14 years. The real story which 
	you get on WBAI, underneath it all, from our contacts in Arkansas, 
	is that in fact the Governor of Arkansas is covering up an illegal
	operation that began in the office of the Vice-President, who is 
	now President of the United States -- George Bush; which makes me 
	wonder why should I even bother voting. Who's there to vote for.
	I mean both sides, the Democrats and the Republicans are involved.
	
MARK SWANEY: 
	That's another part of the story. You know that the best way to buy 
	off an election is to pay off both candidates. There's significant
	Republican interest in seeing Bill Clinton get the nomination
	from the standpoint that they will be assured then that none
	of the issues of the Iran-Contra affair are likely to be talked
	about. Certainly Clinton doesn't want to talk about them.

	We tried before we knew that Mr. Clinton was involved in this.
	We only came across this information 5 or 6 months ago and 
	for two years now we've been doing demonstrations, writing 
	letters, collecting petitions, holding informational gatherings 
	to try to get this story to the people. And we have, on several 
	occasions, sent Bill Clinton signatures, petitions of Arkansans 
	asking for a state investigation. He refused to do anything 
	about them. He would do nothing more than have an aide send us  
	a two sentence letter saying we have received your petition.
	And then this last September, just one week before he decided to 
	run for the Presidency, we contacted his office and said: Listen,
	we'd be willing to talk to you or any one of your aides so that
	we could talk to you about this major crime problem in our state 
	that we're concerned about that we'd like to get to the bottom
	of. And he refused that.  During the 4 or 5 years now that
	the press has covered this story about Mena and Barry Seal ....
	You know, this is a story about people who have been murdered.
	This is a very, very serious affair. And during all of this time,
	talk of massive cocaine smuggling, corruption of local officials, 
	corruption of Federal and State judicial systems, on and on  --
	there was total silence from the Governor. Not a word. And it
	was not until our organization had a large demonstration  
	(It wasn't really a large demonstration, but it was very well 
	covered in the Arkansas press) that reporters approached 
	Mr. Clinton about Mena. He talked about it for the first time 
	in 4 or 5 years, and what he had to say at that time was that 
	he had in fact authorized some money for lonely little Polk County, 
	which is a poor county in Southwestern Arkansas, to run an 
	investigation and so we asked him for back-up from the 
	Governor's office. We said: By the Freedom of Information Act, 
	we'd like to know if you have any documentation whatsoever 
	to back up your statement that you are willing to help the 
	Polk County investigators do their own state investigation 
	in this affair.  And he could not produce a single thing.
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    This is one of countless stories unveiling the deeply corrupted    
    and subverted state of our theoretically democratic Government.
    This story makes disgustingly obvious the fact that patriotism
    is not the waving of flags, the tying of yellow ribbons and the 
    supporting of the Government, just because it happens to be ours.
    You don't support cancer just because you happen to have it.
    Patriotism is telling the truth to the people of our country
    in order that they may unite to conquer the anti-democratic
    cancer that is gradually destroying ours and our children's
    freedom. So please post the installments of this ongoing series
    to other bulletin boards, and post hardcopies in public places,
    both on and off campus.  That would be a truly patriotic deed.

       John DiNardo


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