From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: The EVIL Conspiracy behind this "Men's Choice" thing...
Followup-To: misc.god_whine
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:04:25 GMT

> = (gray,david l) writes:

[...]
>Your idea benefiting the child through money and without moral values
>stinks.  I am the son of a divorced family and your idea of an system without
>God ruined a lot of my life. I hated it!!!  The hate it produced kept my
>mother and father at war and I suffer greatly.  Believe it or not, it was
>through God that I survived not this money grubing crap.

That's great for you.  I have no idea why this is in talk.abortion.
Please take your adult Santa elsewhere.  Thanks.

>Second, I am now the father of two daughters.  Divorce has ruined my relation
>ship with them and I pray to God to keep them safe!

But...your god let a divorce ruin the relationship.  Seems he's the
problem in the first place.  Bad, BAD god!

>You may thing scripture is sexiest but it is the only place where people are
>expected to be treated with love and kindness.  

Also murder, torture and death.  Actually, this maliciously vengeful
"god" keeps people in a state of fear.  Which bible are you reading?

>We teach our children their worst self center values in it.

In what, the bible?  You're losing me.

>Last, take a close look at what racism and sexism.  They go right along the
>same lines.  They start out with greed and rationalize themselves with the
>old standard of who is more important  "White or Black",  Men or Women,  and
>now "Child or Parent".  

Take a guess...which religion does the KKK espouse?   And Aryan Nation?  And
Operation "Rescue"?  Seems that, more than "nonGod" people, the main
problems lie with morons who can't understand their own religion.

>As soon as your type of attitude is allowed to exist
>of who is more important someone gets distroyed for the sake of the other.
>We are all here with equal importants to serve God not our own self interest!!!

You may be so deluded.  I'm here to enjoy my life, not mindlessly
worship some adult fantasy.

>"Child most important" is the best lie the court systems has ever come
>up with to create hate between people since Jim Crow came up with "Equal but
>separate" for white's and black's.  But, my real opion is the Author is
>the same and the results are know different.  White people crap on blacks
>for the sake of who is most important and women crap on men for the sake
>of the child.  

Ah, I see.  This whole raving is about you having to pay child support,
and obviously, you don't think your children are important enough to
warrant your money.  

>The funiest thing is you would rather make a deal with
>Satan and deny God.  

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners
 Then cry with the saints.
 The sinners have much more fun..."

>Your system doesn't even come close to love, piece, and
>family values.  Hate consumes you and your families as it mine!!!  The answer
>is not greed through this system

Calm down.  You look foolish, and you're not making much sense.

>The answer is with God and treating people as equals!!!  

Yeah, Boy Howdy, that god guy has suuurrre helped this world live
together as equals so far! 

>There is no other choice!!!  You are so lost.

You are so crazed.  Get a real life, robot.

>Families will create hate and sell
>each other out over material things and short term game.  This country
>spends more or lawyers than it does on anything else.  Are any of you
>really ever happier when you have finished with them.  Have you any direction
>on how to move from where you are?  Do you know how to treat each other after
>the fighting is done?  No!!!  You hate to the end the fighting never stops
>and you get contracts before you ever get married again!  Only to find out
>what Danald Trump found out.  Contracts can not stop greed and hate!

Oik.

You should reexamine your own life, and figure out that failed
relationships run in your family.  First your folks, then you.  It has
nothing to do with any "god", nor the courts.  Quit blaming everyone but 
yourself.  

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