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From: asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK)
Subject: Dowry
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:04:25 GMT

hi Netters,

Whether people living here decide not to get dowry or not, there are other
hidden forms of dowry,Like people may not demand anything,But atleast ask
for a decent marriage.(The Bride's parents has to visit thirupathi after that).
Very few can afford it in today's economy.

A Day should dawn where both the groom and the bride's side should share the
cost of marriage.That's very unlikely to be seen in near future.(ref:News on
the Net).

athi
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Rajinikant's kindness
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 04:05:41 GMT

Rajinikanth is now the leading actor in India.
Presently he is the highly paid film actor in India.

Recently Rajinikanth acted in a movie called "Annamalai".
The movie was produced by the veteran film producer K.Balachandar.
Balachandar was in deep financial trouble due to the unexpected
flop commercially by his earlier movies. He approached Kamalahasan
for help but in vain. He approached Rajinikanth. Rajinikanth 
readily gave call sheets for the movie "Annamalai" and he did not
get a single paise from his Gurunathar for the movie. Annamalai
is now a very big hit commercially and has saved Balachandar from
the financial crisis.

The previous occassion was for the movie "Anbulla Rajinikanth"
where he helped his old friend Nataraj to produce it without 
getting a single paise for it.

Its quite rare to find film actors with these sort of qualities.

Rajinikanth's wife Latha has recently released a cassette titled
"Annaachi Annaachi" in which she has written the lyrics, directed
the music and has sung the songs. Latha was Ethiraj College's
Music troup director during her college days. She has sung a song
in the movie "Tick Tick Tick". The song is "Naettru indha naeram,
aattrangkarai oram......"


Anpudan,

V R Kumar
 
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2710 soc.culture.indian:33407
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Distortion in Meenan Vishnu Opposed
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:46:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UepNh1i00iV041v2Fs
	<ld9g0mINNidl@bathtub.cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

As far as I know most Brahmins involved in the religious aspects of
Hinduism were greatly opposed to Budhism. Who do you think brought back
Hinduism to the Tamils? After all, Budhism makes it irrelavant Brahmins'
high place in the society. By simple logical reasoning, one can see who
they stood to lose by having a Budhist society. 
When they couldn't uproot Budhism in the South, they along with other
upper caste members upheld the caste system. The Brahminical caste
system was introduced to the Sinhalase not by some Orrissi prince but by
Tamil Brahmins who have taken up Budhism( a surviavl tactic)

thambi



Note: desecrating any temple grounds is intolerable. Its not permissive
where I'm from.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: Which movie...
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:03:20 GMT

Ah good that got ur attention. 

Someone had requested the name of the movie of a particular song. There were
umpteen answers to it in both newsgroups. Please, dont waste that much
bandwidth. Reply by email to poster. Or at least, wait to check that no one
has posted an answer already. 

Note: This is not a flame against those post song requests. (I have done it
myself!) But when u do, edit Followup-to [see above] to reach u or add a 
line saying u would prefer personal replies. Enuff junk in net already.

Thanks
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Gopu
rgopu@cs.tamu.edu			ParukkuLE nalla naadu
Texas A&M University			EngaL Baaratha naadu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2783 soc.culture.sri-lanka:1159
From: 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Condemn
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:38:07 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.


In article <UeoFO8m00WBN49Rosl@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
|> It is not for certain who actually kidnapped Selvanaithy. But it doesn't
|> matter.
|> Whoever did it are not doing any favors for humanity. I strongly condemn

WOW CONDEMN
ARE YOU SURE
PRABA MIGHT PUT YOU IN THE EE-LAMP POST
REMEMBER EELAMP POST - USED FOR HINDU HIGH CAST TAMILS ONLY
TO SEND YOU TO EELAM IN THE SHORTEST PATH
BE CAREFUL MY DEAR



|> such an act by any group(s) or anyone. This act shows total disregard
|> for literary freedom. 
     Well well, now we are talking
 Literary freedom is more precious than freedom of living and freedom of loving
Freedom of living was denied to thousands and thousands of tamils, 
sinhalese, indians, ....
        by non other than the barbaric LTTE


BY THE WAY HOW COME YOU CONDEMN
YOU COLLECT MONEY FOR KILLINGS
LOOK AT YOUR HANDS
BLOOD OF THOUSANDS
YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHT TO TALK about FREE  SPEECH


Freedom of marriage  - 
banned in the TE for youth   (except for leaders of course)
     Freedom of living with parents  -denied to teenagers in TE
      

     but it does not matter
      literary freedom is more important
      therefore I condemn the taking away of literary rights of Selvanaithy
      of course killing is different 
      Kiling can be justified
         VIva La Tamil Ellam

|>I don't care whether its in Jaffna or in Tehran,
|> stiffling a writer by means of abduction only spawns more writers of
|> such calibre. I hope the kidnappers realize the worth of this foolish
|> and outrageous act! 
     Lets join with you in your prayers

|> 
|> thambi
        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: Re: Bharathiyaar Song
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:15:22 GMT

In article <92Oct14.140410.22898@acs.ucalgary.ca> nvenkate@acs.ucalgary.ca (Natarajan Venkateswaran) writes:
>	In the song 'kaakhai siRaginile' Bharathiyaar says
>
>	'theekkuL viralai vaithaal, nandalaala
>	 ninnai theendum inbam ......'

	The ultimate in contrasts. I would interpret it as saying:

	"Even fire seems pleasant to touch when I imagine it is you"
>
>	Could anybody explain about 'theekkul viral' and 'theendum
>	inbam' ? How can putting one's hand in fire give us 'pleasure'
>	of touching 'nandalaala' ?
>
>	On a related note, I think 'nandalaala' refers to Krishna. If
>	so it is interesting to note that it is said in this song
>
>	'.. karia niRam thonDruthada, nandalaala', which suggests
>	that Krishna was of karia niRam. However, we are familiar
>	with the colour of Krishna as blue (neela niRa Kanna).

	Krishna is Sanskrit for 'dark'. So nothing unusual in referring
	to Kanna as 'karia niram'. BTW doesnt the next line go,

	"Paarkkum maRaththil ellaam unthan
	 pachchai niRam thOnRuthaiyE nandhalaalaa"

	 Dark green, dark blue, and just plain dark seem to be quite
	 commonly used to describe Kannan, though Sri Rama is almost
	 invariably associated with green (raamar pachchai).
>
>						Natarajan
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rgopu@cs.tamu.edu			ParukkuLE nalla naadu
Texas A&M University			EngaL Baaratha naadu
From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: An Interview on Modern Literature - Part 6
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:09:20 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

Padigal:-
	Small magazines believe in  'literature' alone, in eradicating the
ills of TN. But we think that a total awarness in literature , politics,
social ills  and like fields would cause a change. What do U think?

Sujata:-
	True! But we need to do some preparations for that awarness i.e it is
our duty to  transcribe such matter into a language understandable.

Padigal:-
	It is too difficult to write  simply.

Sujata:-
 	True because the tradition of thinking is in English. But we have
to try. I can read sociology in English. U needn't write that for me but
for those who can read only in Tamil. I think everything will work out just
fine if one keeps him/her in mind.

Padigal:-
	 Many small magazine writers, vituperative of commercial ones,
sometimes writes for the latter. Is it individual weakness or a result of
capitalism?

Sujata:-
	I would characterise that to be an individuality. When we say that
to be a weakness, then we are passing judgement. I don't see anything wrong
in that provided they aren't pretentious. 
	
Padigal:-
	How do U say it isn't weakness?
Sujata:-
	That's any one would like to have their stories published in
popular magazines. This is natural.

Padigal:-
	But we are talking about some one who is derisive of popular
magazines and who enjoys at the instance of his/her story being published in
the same magazine.

Sujata:-
	That's dis-honesty. Also he/she observes and feels for the happennings
in popular magazines. That's correct and they have the right. That only
small magazines carry literature and everything published in popular
magazines are garbage, isn't correct.

Padigal:-
	The cause for the dis-honesty: is it individual's act or some
commercially binding external force? We believe that commercialism and
tendency to treat literature to be a 'commodity', are  the reasons for that
dis-honesty. 

Sujata:-
	I think we are coming back to the same discussion. Several
reasons:- socio-economic conditions; uncertainity about one's future;
tradition; middle-class mentality. This is commercialism. But there are
other forces that influence the success of a kind of writing.

Padigal:-
	At some stage, you introduce a new style of writing; Balachander
introduces a new formula; Based on this the cultural outlook changes. So
this is a complete phenomenon which is due to neither the bad nor the good
influence of an individual. A change that has come into effect within last
ten years. Don't we have to analyse this within such a setup?

Sujata:-
	Yes! This is due to the 'decadence' of our social life. This is a
general change.

Padigl:-
	It is better to have new faces than Sivaji. But still this not a
good trend; 'not much of progress'.  

Sujata:-
	 I agree:- 'not much of progress'.

----------------------To Be Continued-------------

raghavan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Marriages
Keywords: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:38:35 GMT

kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>dowry is the question !!!. Panam endraal paeyum vaayai pilakkumae !!!
                                          ^^^^^^
>Anpudan,

>V R Kumar

I think that should read "pinamum", since most would readily
agree that it cannot do so in normal circumstances. Not many
have seen a "paey" to confirm or deny their ability to
open their mouths! Regards. - ganesh
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: what if the NEWS is twisted?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:09:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Oct16.200945.16929
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <AeriMtO00WBK82v18P@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
>Here's a possible orrurence in year 1996:  This is not a news piece. Fictional!
>
>
>134 CIVILIANS MASSACRED IN RAIDS BY SL ARMY
>----------------------------------------------------
>Jaffna, Thursday, October 15, 1996.
> 
>	[STUFF  DELETED]


All you have shown us by posting this fictional news is that when it comes
to violence LTTE and the Srilankan army are the same. LTTE kills innocent
Sinhalese and Muslims while the Srilankan army kills innocent Tamils.

So why is LTTE so sacrosanct my friend ? 

And why don't you accept the realities ?(I am not saying you should oppose
LTTE atleast accept that LTTE also makes mistakes just like the Sinhalese
Srilankan army)


Yours sincerely,
M.P.Premkumar
From: 8888cc06@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (B Mohanarangan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tamil in its native script form on computers
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:55:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: uhdvx3.16OCT199211555149
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A
X-Lunar-Date: 3 days, 9 hours, 58 minutes since the full moon


  Hello all

  Is Tamil used anywhere on computers in its original form?

  If yes, how to find the suitable software that will allow us to edit, mail, 
read, and send news on the network ?

  If this has not been done yet -or needs to be modified- what are the 
requirements in terms of character coding ?
  In other words, if one has to code Tamil, how many characters can the 
language be displayed in ?

  Any information you have is welcome.

  Thanks
From: raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Raghu B)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Needed Tamil quotes Urgently.
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:24:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: morgan.1992Oct13.172442.16720
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

In <Bw2FFt.Koq@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:

>I would appreciate if some people can post Tamil quotes, (mentioning the
>source) for the following themes. I intend using it in a technical presentation

>1. The more we know, the more remains to be known.
>2. Perfection is not absolute. It is subjective.
>3. One person's medicine is another person's poison.


     2: Aanaikkum adi sarukkum --- for 2nd one.

    1. katrathu kai man alavu. kalladhadhu ulaga alavu.

     Let me think about it and send it later.

					Raghu,B.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com (Kris Balasubramanian)
Subject: Re: Distortion in Meenan Vishnu Opposed
Reply-To: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:54:06 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


What an EXCELLENT reply! Well said Mr Parthasarathi. If people have a open mind
they will definitely understand this. Generally people with prejudice are hard headed
and are not convinced by facts. 

	The example of a Sindhi brahmin who collabrated with the Arab
and GENERALIZING that all brahmins are traitors is so stupid., it is as good as saying
that VP Quayle is a joker and so all American VPs are jokers! 

	There is a saying which  goes something like this 
		"You can fool a person only once"
If Meenan is trying to say that Brahmins were fooling the entire Indian population
over hundreds of years, I wonder "HOW DUMB THE PEOPLE CAN BE!"

kris B
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2809 soc.culture.indian:33946
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A NEW LOW IN GUTTER POSTINGS (Was Distortion in Meenan Vishnu Opposed)
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:39:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes:
: In article rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu  writes:
: >From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
: >References: <EeqVfsW00WB_0l12ZX@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Oct13.121406.27693@engage.pko.dec.com>
: 
: 
: >1. She was MGR's mistress. But, acted as though she was.
: 		Now I don't get this .What is he trying to say?I can 
: 	understand the first sentence but what is he implying from
: 	the second?Who cares whose mistress she was or she is!!People
			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 	in TN should know about her private life than any other rambling
: 	propagandist from SriLanka or Pittsburrgh!!Besides what has her
: 	private life got to do with her political life?Whether she
: 	slept with MGR or for that matter any other person is non
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't know what this discussion is all about, but I am curious
to know as to who are the people that Jayalalitha has slept with
(call it "Gossip" if you want):):-) I know for sure that she once
used to sleep with Shoban Babu(one time Romeo of Telugu cine field)
and as a result got a son out of wedlock. Seemingly, MGR got mad by
knowing that she had an affair with SB, and instead of blaming his
mistress, he wanted to throw SB out of Madras(for that matter, out
of TN). Isn't it ridiculous??!! When a woman willingly sleeps with
a guy, whom should we blame, man or woman!!??. So, friends, pleaaze
enlighten me as to who are(were) the other guys that she has
slept(sleeping) with. Thanks in advance and looking forward to
lot of replies.

--SN


: 	he does'nt like MK either.WHOM DOES HE LIKE ?
: > He's unprincipled and will do anything
: 		Look who's talking about principles?
: 		Yeah right we all know how his bosses have demonstrated
: 		their "principles".Like sending emissories to Rajiv and
: 		blowing him up the following week,assasinating all rivals
: 		massacreing thousands of innocent civilians ,totureing
: 		prisoners of war,executing hundreds of service personel
: 		who surrendered to them etc..
: 
:  
: > I heard he has 10-12
: >mistresses?
: 			This guy is obsessed with other peoples sleeping
: 		habits and number of mistresses.Wonder whether he is
: 		getting enough of the former and ......nah I want
: 		write the rest .(eventhough I am tempted :-)
: 		I don't want to get in to the gutter myself
: 		
: 				disgustedly yours
: 				Nishantha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Subject: Re: What is this Tamil movie?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:46:32 GMT

ambati@acsu.buffalo.edu (Balamural K. Ambati) writes:

>I need the name for a movie starring Amala, one of whose songs is:

>Kanuka nooru nilava, idhu oru kannava?

VEDAM PUDITHU

>Thanks
>Balamurali K. Ambati
>ambati@ubunix.buffalo.edu 

anban,
thayumanavan
From: venkatap@cis.uab.edu (Chandrasekaran Venkatapathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Accord of 1987 : - Repost [re: memoirs of Jayawardane]
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:18:26 GMT
Organization: Comp. Science Dept, University of Alabama at Birmingham

In article <ceovBIK00Uh_87lI1L@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
>>This shows the serious under-estimation of LTTE's strength by India, which
		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>was one reason why it could not defeat it later.  It is said that the RAW
>
>They did it again after the anti-LTTE crackdown in Tamil Nadu. Even the
>SL defense minister went along the enthusiasm by promising to solve the
>probem in 2 months by a 'secret plan.' India Today concocted a scenario
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of LTTE's demise.
>
>Well, its been more than an year.
>
>-thambi 

	Guy!! What are u up to?  U just want to brag that LTTE is
	the supreme force and most idealistic force.  I dont want
	to comment on that. But dont make falst claims on other
	issues.  Guess u are living in a world of fantasy.  Wake up!!!

- chandra V.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 12:34:59 -0400 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: News from Reuters


RTw  10/08 0549  ELEPHANT PASS DECLARED NO-FIRE ZONE
 
    COLOMBO, Oct 8, Reuter - The Sri Lanka military  on  Thursday
assured  Tamil guerrillas that it would not launch attacks from a
key land route linking the rebel-controlled Jaffna peninsula with
the mainland.
    "It is for...the safety and convenience of  the  public  that
the  security  forces  are  intent  on  keeping the Elephant Pass
causeway open and not for launching operations...,"  a  statement
said.
    Government troops are fighting the Liberation Tigers of Tamil
Eelam (LTTE) who want their own homeland in the north and east of
the country. The Elephant Pass is the  only  land  route  to  the
north.
    "The LTTE has made it known...that they will not prevent  the
public  from  using  the  Elephant  Pass causeway if the security
forces would guarantee that it will not launch operations against
them via this route," the statement said.
    At present, civilians and rebels use the Jaffna Lagoon, which
the military has declared a "no-go" area, putting them at risk of
naval and air attacks.
 REUTER MDS NM JB

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Subject: Re: padi ......
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:52:36 GMT
Keywords: padi

udhi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Udayan Subramanian) writes:

>The poet should be either Bharadhidhasan or Pattukkottai Kalyanasundharam 

>(I wish I followed whatever is said in the poem!)

it was BHARATHIDASAN.   Mr.Shanmugam from purdue has given a correct 
answer, although he did not post it.  

Udaya, may be you should read the kavithai in tamil itself, may be my
transliteration makes it difficult for you to understand.

>- Udayan 

anban,
thayumanavan
From: gseshadr@neumann.une.edu.au (Govind)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Marriages
Keywords: soc.culture.tamil
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:47:23 GMT

Recently i had been to Madras . I was really shocked to hear from one
of my friends about a marriage that took place recently (a fortnight back)
The groom was from the US and they really demanded a heavy amount from the
bride's family. Having lived in a society which is much more educated does
it seem to be barbaric to do such things? When are these things going to end 
in our society ? Kalam marinalum manidhargal maramattargala?

I wouild like to see response regarding this . Let us try and stop this rut
which is taking place

Govindarajan seshadri
email : gseahadr@neumann.une.edu.au
From: sundaram@hitchcock (Subbiah Sundaram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Email address of Virginia Commonwealth University needed
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:37:19 GMT
Reply-To: sundaram@eng.uiowa.edu
Organization: Department of Elect. and Comp. Engr., University of Iowa, USA.


Can anyone send me the email address of biomedical department of
Virginia Commonwealth University.

Thanks,
Subbiah.
From: kumanan@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: TEST
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:33:45 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

TEST, IGNORE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil