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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Ishiguro
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:21:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BxC59o.H5t@wsrcc.com> alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken) writes:

>I think _Something Happened_ actually has a lot in common with
>_Remains of the Day_ by Ishiguro.  

Has anyone read Ishiguro's newest book?  What did you think?  Was it as
good as _Remains of the Day_?



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney)
Subject: other books by ACD?
Organization: Visual Simulation Systems
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:12:48 GMT

Anybody care to post a list of non-Sherlock Holmes books by Arthur
Conan Doyle?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Zeleny's dark secret?  (was: Advice to the World Weary)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 11 NOV 92 13:38:16 GMT


Marko Amnell writes:

>In article <BxJ7x2.IG2@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu 
>(Don Beaver) writes:
>> 
>>Perhaps your discussion of women/men/child-molesting, your cute 
>>snob song and the ensuing battle of quips are more appropriate 
>>to alt.hasty.pudding.revue than to alt.feminism?

>With a name like "beaver" I wouldn't talk.  
[interesting allusion to Marko's wicked past deleted] 
>But, blame Zeleny for adding them
>to the newsgroups line, rec.arts.books is known for its decadence.

Mikhail Z. is single-minded in his efforts to prove to the net.world
that he is a Eurosnob.  He makes me suspicious.  I bet he's hiding 
something.  I bet his favorite record is Randy Travis' Greatest Hits.  

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: literary lions
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:51:28 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1992Nov11.215002.44652@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>Another use: lion as Christ figure in C. S. Lewis's _Narnia_ books.
>"Aslan" was the name of the lion and I always wondered where the name
>came from.

I have a vague memory that Aslan is either Persian or Arabic, and that
it means 'the first' or something like that.

-- 
Anders Thulin       ath@linkoping.trab.se 	013-23 55 32
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Property Rights (was re: Progress: The New Great Divide? (was Re: Cult)
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:49:12 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <anand.721448494@cds705>, anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra) writes:
> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
> [taking a stab at communism, socialism ]
> >The proposition that another system might work better just had a
> >very extensive trial and was found disastrous.  
> 
> At this rate, John McCarthy would blame the Japanese if the
> Sun were not to rise in the east tomorrow. 
> Communism failed because of the bureaucratic, all encompassing 
> centripetal State and not because of lack of private property.
> 
> anand

Communism requires that "all encompassing centripetal State" in
order to eliminate private property.  Marx expected the State to
wither away.  Why didn't it?  Because people are scum.  If you
give someone power over others, most of the time, that power will
be abused.

Communism without state power isn't communism.  In fact, it isn't
anything at all, because communism MUST use a lot of force to get
people to turn over their property and lives to the commune.
The mystical "True Socialist Man" has never existed, and never
will.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
From: johne@or.credence.com (John Ewing)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Theodore Dreiser
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:23:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: credence.1992Nov9.152349.22018
Distribution: na
Organization: Credence Systems Corp. Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Nov7.230731.14816@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>     ... and it was 
>a much, *much* better book than I had been told to expect.
>...
>     _Sister Carrie_ is a compelling, interesting book -- one of the best I 
>have ever read. ...

I second that motion.  I loved _Sister Carrie_.  Sir Lawrance (I just know I'm
going toget this wrong) Olivier was in the movie (with Eddie Albert) based upon
this book.  I just LOVED this movie - very, VERY moving, I thought.

John Ewing (johne@or.credence.com)
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From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Property Rights
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:08:57 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <BxKznz.Lnq@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris) writes:
>                                     Wednesday, the 11th of November, 1992
>
>Anand Bemra writes:
>  Communism failed because of the bureaucratic, all encompassing 
>  centripetal State and not because of lack of private property.

Communism failed because communism ideas contradict nature of 
most part of mankind :-)
As a consequence, "..." State is necessary to implement communism.

>The question is whether communism is possible to implement without
>invoking a bureaucratic, all encompassing centripetal state.

It's possible only in small community.
>
>                  Mike Morris
>           (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
>
	Igor Belchinskiy
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Advice to the World Weary (was Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:25:25 GMT

In article <9211021731.AA03535@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>
>amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) simultaneously laments & confesses:
 
>> We fin-de-millenium bores [. . .]

[Taranto responds]: 
>World weariness is nothing new.  Housman is full of it:

	As are many self-important adolescents, those in the actual physical
state and those emotionally arrested there.
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Advice to the World Weary (was Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:49:26 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov5.234631.6968@netcom.com>, tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
# 	Fido has suffered lately.  First he was taken to task for egregious
# misstatement about the ownership of firearms in England by the Semi-Lunatic
# Mr. Cramer (not a pleasant experience, I would imagine); then he misused a 

Semi-Lunatic: someone who can defend a position without the need for
petty insults.

# 				Tom Maddox
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
The Physician Assisted Death Initiative failed.  Term limits for Congressmen
passed.  If only we could have combined the two... two terms, and a doctor
does lethal injection...
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Erofeev,Beckett and the Christian tradition?
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:03:48 GMT



Francis Muir writes:
 
        Jeffrey A. Del Col writes:
 
                And also keep in mind what Tsvetaeva said  ( and this time I
                KNOW it's from her work!!)
 
                        In this most Christian of worlds
                        The poet's a Jew.
 
        Excellent! I am reminded of the way that Elizabeth Barrett referred to
        herself as The Portuguee -- which, in the England of her time, meant
        dago, low caste.
 
And I am reminded of the Patti Smith song, "Rock & Roll Nigger."
 
But in spite of all this, I still can't picture T.S. Eliot as anything 
but an Anglican.  He did have an ear for jazz, though.
 
Mark
 
 
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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Books in the time of school
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 09:22:46 EST


In grade school it had to be the S.E. Hinton books (_The_Outsiders_ et al)
but by Highschool I'd started to get into that snotty can't-read-it-if-its-
not-liturature phase (that's lasted until a few years ago!) and probably
Madame_Bovery (reading for some HS class or other) would be the one
that meant the most to me....

Margot
--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:54:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov11.025431.28187
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <WARKENT.92Nov10123947@ltisun14.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:

>
>Would you recite that poem to someone whose mother was eaten by
>cannibals?  To someone whose mother, a victim of child abuse, was
>eaten by cannibals after being raped by Genghis Khan's horde and
>tortured to death by the Spanish Inquisition following her escape
>from Dachau?  I think not.

	Mr. Warkentyne (does that rhyme with porpentine or galantine?) is
a very funny fellow.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
From: pscchris@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher Holoman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Humor subjects (was re: Torturing Politicals)
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <WARKENT.92Nov9131714@ltisun14.epfl.ch>, warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes...
>>>There are things that can't be laughed at?  Topics that contain no
>>>raw material for humor?  Like what?
>> 
>> Torturing political prisoners to death. To name one thing.
> 
>Definitely not funny.
> 
>Other topics not suitable for humourous treatment:
> 
>  Rape
>  Incest
>  Hitler
>  Cannibalism
>  Genghis Khan
>  The Spanish Inquisition

Arrgh, not the comfy chair!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

>--
>Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch

Chris

OBbooks:  Recently finished _Paris Trout_ and liked it quite a bit.
The dialogue put me off in a couple of spots; it just didn't sound
real.  Was this intentional? (If you respond to this part, please
be sure to change the subject line)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:23:31 GMT

                                 Thursday, the 12th of November, 1992

Roger Squires writes:
	This discussion is interesting, as unless I am grossly
	mistaken, it appears to involve a disagreement between
	those who adhere to some absolutist position, and
	those who don't (I'm one of the latter).

Since I don't see the absolutism on either side of the disagreement,
I wonder which side you think is absolutist.

             Mike Morris
       (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)


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From: donofrio@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Frank D'onofrio)
Subject: how about english???
Organization: Space Astrophysics Laboratory, ISTS, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 01:14:59 GMT


Hi. People have been posting in Swedish and French.
How about an English translation? I'm curious.

Ci vediamo,
Frank
The Bocca Demon.
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From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: A rose is a rose is a rose.
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:07:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.090837.7567@klaava.Helsinki.FI> amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) writes:
>Famous rose lines.

Moses supposes his toeses are roses,
but Moses supposes erroneously.

		(From the movie "Singin' in the rain")


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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: More Boris! (was Re: fake accents)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 13:27:25 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Marko Amnell writes:

	Aussi, nous nous entendions bien.

I speak Aussie too, but what's the point?

						Fido
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From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Subject: Re: The Truth According to Mickie Medved
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:10:16 GMT




This thread apparently bloomed and died during my absence. I 
revive it here simply to urge everyone interested in the question of 
death-camp humor to look for the (I think) brilliant play _Laughter_, 
by Peter Barnes. 

The play opens with an angry man arguing eloquently that 
certain subjects just aren't funny. While he talks, his clothing attacks 
him with the corniest sightgags: water squirts out of his lapel flower, 
his pants drop, his bow tie twirls, etc.

The first act is about Ivan the Terrible, with stage dressing like half-
dead people impaled on stakes.

The second act is about bureaucrats trying to handle all the _filing_ 
at a Nazi concentration camp.

The brief coda, which I ought to reproduce here Mike Morris-style 
for full effect (but inexplicably I don't have the script here at the 
office), consists of two Jewish concentration-camp prisoners doing
a vaudeville schtick in the gas chamber ("Manny, we're dyin' up 
here!"). It is profoundly funny and profoundly horrifying, as is the 
rest of the play.

As far as I can tell, _Laughter_ isn't done very often--maybe because 
it's tough to produce (for example, besides people bleeding to death 
on stakes, the first act also calls for an eight-foot hammer to chase a 
six-foot nail across the stage), maybe because I'm the only one in the 
world who thinks it's funny. (Fair warning: I made Heather's (rapidly 
lengthening) list of r.a.b.ble indicted for Humorlessness some time 
ago.)

But for whatever reason, you may not see it on stage soon.

So go read it.

Kate



-- 
- - - - - - - -
kate@cactus.org
Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.
From: maverick@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A rose is a rose is a rose.
Date: 6 Nov 1992 00:39:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Niemand

In article <Bx9pJv.AEu@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>, hasch@chem.queensu.ca (Hartmut Schmider) writes:
|> In article <1dblt7INN9i1@agate.berkeley.edu> maverick@fir.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick) writes:
|> 
|> ['Psalm' of P. Celan once in the German original, then in an English
|>  translation]
|> 
|> Now that's easy. And I wonder why the English version sounds almost better
|> than the German one. Something wrong with my ears? 

You're kind, but I don't think my hacking on Hamburger's
translation was really able to lift it above the level of
simple gloss.  The German sounds great to me, probably
because I am not a native speaker (see below).

|> Methinks, this kind of portability means something.

I think it suggests something about Celan -- that he's
writing a personal, "foreignized" version of German.

|> I'll sit right down and
|> try it the other way 'round, starting with ... Anybody have any suggestions 
|> for future projects?

Well, if Pierre Leyris (?) could translate Hopkins into
French, surely you can do it for German.  Start with
"Glory be to God for dappled things"....

	Vance
From: maverick@fir.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A rose is a rose is a rose.
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:33:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fir.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov3.090837.7567@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) writes:
|> Famous rose lines.  Any author, any language.  I'll start you off.
|> First a couple which I hope need no attribution...

PSALM

Niemand knetet uns wieder aus Erde und Lehm,
niemand bespricht unsern Staub.
Niemand.

Gelobt seist du, Niemand.
Dir zulieb wollen
wir blu"hn.
Dir
entgegen.

Ein Nichts
waren wir, sind wir, werden
wir bleiben, blu"hend:
die Nichts-, die
Niemandsrose.

Mit
dem Griffel seelenhell,
dem Staubfaden himmelswu"st,
der Krone rot
vom Purpurwort, das wir sangen
u"ber, o u"ber
dem Dorn.

		Paul Celan, from _Die Niemandsrose_ (1963)

----------------------------------------

Translation (Michael Hamburger, haphazardly edited)

Nobody molds us again of earth and clay,
nobody conjures our dust.
Nobody.

Praise be to thee, Nobody.
Out of love for you will
we bloom.
Toward
you.

A nothing
were we, are we, shall
we remain, blooming:
the nothing-,
the Nobody-rose.

With
pistil soul-bright,
stamen heaven-bleak,
corolla red
with the crimson word which we sang
above, O above
the thorn.
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Dictionary question?
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:22:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.224428.2869@Cadence.COM> vince@cadence.com (Vince Gibboni) writes:
>kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>> I just saw the American Heritage Dictionary, 3d Edition, at
>> Printer's Inc Bookstore and it looked very nice. What do people
>> think of it?
>
>    Well, yes, it _looks_ very nice....
>
>    Personally, I think of it the USA Today of dictionaries or sort 
>    of a McDictionary (but, of course, that's just my personal bias). 
>    It's definitely of the permissive, if-people-use-it-so-it-must-be-okay
>    school, and it leans somehat precariously toward the politically
>    correct.

It seems possible that Vince Gibboni has confused THE AMERICAN HERITAGE
DICTIONARY, THIRD EDITION with WEBSTER'S THIRD INTERNATIONAL. The AMERICAN
HERITAGE is hardly of the descriptive-usage school, what with its famous
(or infamous, depending on your attitude) Usage Panel and Usage Notes.

Vince's complaints smack of the famous complaints about WEBSTER'S THIRD,
which, departing from the philosophy of WEBSTER'S SECOND, took a
linguistics-influenced descriptive approach to definitions.

In dictionary circles, THE AMERICAN HERITAGE is famous for its notoriously
untrendy prescriptive approach to usage--that is, it takes just the
opposite approach that Vince attributes to it here.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I can solve this Orient Express thing without
mnemonic@eff.org| breaking a sweat. It's that simple."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Kant (was Re: Venedikt Erofejev: Moskva - Petushki)
Summary: Famous "starry heaven above me and the moral law within me" passage
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:14:06 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Nov8.140437.17226@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu
(Michael Zeleny) writes:

>This contrast between _homo erectus_, whose gaze is loftily fixed on
>the majestic sight of the starry sky, and the brute quadrupeds staring
>earthwards has become a veritable commonplace, especially in the
>Latinate tradition of Catholic literature, to which Erofeev belongs in
>virtue of his personal faith.  (See the same image, with similar
>connotations, in Charles Baudelaire's poem "Le Cygne".  In another,
>Lutheran context, a similar metaphor plays a crucial role in Kant's
>famous dual admiration for "the starry heaven above me and the moral
>law within me".)

Here is the full passage from Kant:

"Two things fill the mind with ever newer and increasing admiration and
awe, the more often and the more steadily they are reflected upon:
_the starry heaven above me and the moral law within me_.  I should not
search for them and merely conjeture them as though they were veiled in
darkness, or were in the transcendent region beyond my horizon; I see
them before me and associate them directly with the consciousness of my
own existence.  The first begins at the place which I occupy in the 
external world of sense, and broadens the conncetion in which I stand
into the unsurveyable magnitude of worlds beyond worlds and systems of
systems, and moreover into the limitless time of their periodic motion,
its beginning and continuation.  The second begins at my invisible self,
my personality, and depicts me in a world which has true infinity, but
which is traceable only by the understanding, and with which I recognize
myself as being not as before in a merely contingent connection, but in
a universal and necessary one (as I thereby also am with all those visible
worlds).  The first view of a countless multitude of worlds annihilates
as it were my importance as that of an _animal creature_, which must give
back to the planet (as mere speck in the universe) the matter of which
it was formed, after it has been provided for a short time (we know not
how) with vital power.  The second, on the other hand, infinitely raises
my worth as that of an _intelligence_ by my personality, in which the
moral law reveals to me a life independent of animality and even of the
whole world of sense, at least as far as can be inferred from the
destination assigned to my existence by this law, a destination which
is not restricted to the conditions and limits of this life, but reaches
into the infinite."

In Kant's case, however, the "conditions and limits of this life" were
those of a shrewd speculator who hoarded his gold beneath his bed.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Title = "The Remains of Our Days", Author = ?
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:11:38 GMT



matess@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Eliza Strickler) writes:
 
> There is a book that has been recommended to me with a title
> something like, "The Remains of Our Days". The author is Japenese.
> Does anyone know the author's name and the exact title of this book?
 
THE REMAINS OF THE DAY, by Kazuo Ishiguru.  He moved to England at
a very young age.  It is a wonderful book.
 
Mark
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: maddona's new book?
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:51:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
> onda@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
> 
> > can someone send me info on maddona's new book
> > i am very *curious* as to what it is about?
> 
> I give up.  What do _you_ think it's about?

I have it on very good inside information that the working title was
THE COLOR PINK.  This was canned after some very short consultations
with the marketing department, who said they couldn't sell it to the
bookstores.

The secondary title was PINK FRILLS.  This produced rather longer
conferences with sales, who still weren't perfectly happy with the
idea.  Fortunately, someone came up with MADONNA'S NEW BOOK, and
everyone agreed that they could sell *that*.  I believe the bright
young man responsible is up for a promotion.

So I think you can safely say it's about pink.

	the insider Mr. E-----
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