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From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Kinesiology - how I heard about it
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:50:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug13.152334.13177@colorado.edu>, gordon@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GORDON ALLEN R) writes...
>>>done the above experiment, somewhat modified, in a double blind manner.
> 
>>Please describe for us a single, repeatable experiment that will allow
>>us to "test" something meaningful using AK. If possible, I'd like an experiment
>>that involves "pulling down the arm" when it is extended straight out,
>>palm down. I'd like to do some 'muscle testing'.
> 
>Do you think that you can do these tests without training?  If so, there's lots
>of books out.  Its simply not that simple.  Then there is the matter of 
>interpreting the results.  People go to school and receives long hours of
>training to do tests and many more hours (weeks, years) to learn how to 
>interpret them.  It doesn't matter whether or not its for AK or for different
>medical tests by by/for physicians.  In spite of their apparent objectivity,
>medical tests are misinterpreted all of the time.  Good AK does not simply
>rely on one test but all the results obtained by all of the tests and the 
>practitioner's interaction'w with his/her client.  
> 
>If you want to learn, take some classes.

What schools teach AK?  What medical or scientific research journals have
published articles demonstrating the reliability and validity of AK?

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
Xref: sparky sci.skeptic:14438 talk.origins:9572
From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins
Subject: Re: Shroud exposed at early date (Tim O'Neill)
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:41:31 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Aug15.190059.22315@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.081905.10638@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes in part:
>|> Lorne, look at a photograph of it yourself. There is no horizontal stretching.
>|>
>|> Put shoe polish on your face. Place a cloth over your face. Peel off.
>|>
>|> Note the horizontal stretching.
>|>
>|> No argument.
>Hmm.  When I do this there is no "horizontal stretching" (whatever
>that means).  You just don't know how to do it right, D.A.
>

What brand of shoe polish did you use? How did you clean your face afterwards?
From: jeh@raster.kodak.com (Ed Hanway)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Mensa (was Re: Kinesiology - how I heard about it)
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:02:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Aug19.050225.4523
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Digital Systems Center
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SKH4161@MVS.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
: Since Mensa also accepts SAT, ACT, GMAT, MAT and GRE scores for
: admission, do you mean to say the concept of these scholastic aptitude
: tests is completely flawed and meaningless as well?

Test scores as a limited indicator of potential or aptitude are one matter.
Scores as an end unto themselves are another.  My personal distaste for
Mensa isn't that it uses test scores for admission  -- it's that the
admissions standards are the sole purpose of the organization.  To me Mensa
membership seems about as meaningful as inclusion in those vanity books
peddled on parents like "Who's Who Among American High School Students" 
or any of the various school honor societies with selective admissions
requirements but no purpose other than to sell a few pins.

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Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
From: bourd@jellyfish.cps.msu.edu (Robert Bourdeau)
Subject: Re: 17 Supposed Evidences against Evolution
Keywords: evolution, creationism
Organization: Michigan State University, CPS Department
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:37:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.142721.22173@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
|> 
|> I sent him the FAQs from talk.origins.  Should keep him happily confused
|> for a while...
|> 
|> 

I received a plethora of information from Mr. Meritt, and I greatly
appreciate it. However, I hope that you are not assuming that
_I_ am a proponent of the arguments put forth in that list.
I hardly have the expertise to provide a point by point account of
the assertions made in that document (although many points are simply
drivel). My intention is to gather the variety of responses
I have received, package them up nicely, and distribute them
in the same way that this creationist list was distributed.


I am happy, but not confused.....


Thanks for the info!

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From: Grant.Edwards@iphase.UUCP (Grant Edwards)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 16 Aug 92  01:32:19 EST

Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: 

: It seems that these fish become invisible when scared then turn to
: where you can see them in about 20 mlnutes if undisturbed. They sell
: for over $20,000 per pair.  John Winston.

Hey John, I've got an even better deal:  Fish that you can't see, feel,
hear, smell, taste, or in any way detect.  And they are only $10 per
dozen.  I am currently taking orders.  No COD or credit cards orders
accepted.  Send check, cash or money order to:

	Undectable Fish Offer
	11632 Monroe St. NE
	Blaine, MN 55434

Shipment guaranteed within 7 days of receipt of order.  If you aren't
satisfied, send the fish back, and I'll return your money -- of course
you'll have a hell of a time convincing me that you _did_ send the
fish back.

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Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage
From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.232624.22409@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> 
  rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>In article <64365@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>It sounds to me like you belong to that cult that believes the speed of
>>light is constant.  
>
>For any particular medium it is.  Do you have evidence it isn't?  Want a 
>Nobel Prize?  There's only one person I know of that ever seriously considered 
>turning one of these down - Richard Feynman.  And even he ended up accepting 
>it.

From the Complete Irrelevancies Department,  I believe that
somebody refused to accept his Nobel Prize for Literature.  I
don't remember who, though.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled New Age Wierdness,
already in progress.

>	RA

C Frog
Xref: sparky sci.skeptic:14199 sci.physics:12745
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,sci.physics
Subject: Re: help needed with a thought problem
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:01:31 GMT
Followup-To: sci.skeptic
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

: In article <FRANL.92Jul28211500@draco.centerline.com> franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:
: >chesky@squirrel.austin.ibm.com (Bill Chesky) writes:
: >
: >> Suppose there is this gigantic rod floating out in space.  Just for
: >> fun, says its, oh, 1,000,000 miles long.  Further this rod is ...
: >> ... perfectly rigid.  Now 
: >> suppose you have some mechanism on one end whose purpose is to push and 
: >> pull (longways) on the rod.  Is this not a FTL communications device ...
: >
: > It cannot exist, therefore it cannot be an FTL communications device.


For one end of a rod to move in response to the other end moving
(regardless of its length) requires one bit telling the next bit whats
happening and such transfer happens below c.

eg if you view the rod as a an array of atoms (and afterall alot of people
do), moving one end is moving some atoms, then their neighbors get pushed
(or whatever the movement was) by them, then the next atoms by those, and
so on down the length of the rod.  Sort of like a wave propogating.

anyway in aint ftl

			Colin

Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins
From: julian@tantalus.sfu.ca (Julian Shillcock)
Subject: Re: Jim sez: who ya gonna trust, me or your senses?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:47:03 GMT

If God did not intend us to ask questions why make us curious?

or...

If God did not intend us to think why give us brains?

There is something wrong here. Someone is saying that perhaps we should
not ask questions about creation, or probe too deeply into some things.
This is supposed to follow from the fact that there might be things we should not 
know (for our own good I assume). And the reason we should not is derived
from the fact that the answers we seem to find disagree with a literal 
interpretation of the book of Genesis. But, but, but.. is this not like
saying we should not look at sunsets too closely because we know our
eyes can be deceived by optical illusions, and such an optical 
illusion will contradict what we learn in school about sunsets???
If I suffer from such an optical trick I know enough that the error is
probably in my interpretation of the evidence no in nature of my brain.
So, why do we not accept that disagreements over Genesis stem from
our understanding rather than from the facts? We argue because
we do not understand properly.
Or is the creationist view that they understand the whole process of
creation by divine revelation? Somehow I do not think God wrote Genesis
simply to tell us how He did it.

julian

PS There is no such thing as gravity: the earth sucks.
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins
From: scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu (Scharle)
Subject: Re: Young earth creationist logic NOT!
Reply-To: scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu (Scharle)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.171831.346@acuson.com>, lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:
    ...
|> The anti-faith side of this debate questions why the evidence points to
       ^^^^^^^^^^
   Please apologize for this.
   ...
|> Ask all the questions you want, but don't be so arrogant to think that
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> God must run the universe on your terms.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Please apologize for this.
   ...
|>                                                                 I
|> can think of variables and structures as real while I know that they
|> are just convenient concepts.  I look at evolution the same way.
   ...
    This is interesting --- do you think you could elaborate a bit on
this?  What is your opinion on the reality of the world -- by this I
mean the material world -- and do you think that we can know anything
about it -- and do you think it is worthwhile to know anything about
it?

    Note here, by way of contrast, how I do not presume to put words
into _your_ mouth or question _your_ motives or make statements about
_your_ faith or lack of it.

-- 
Tom Scharle                |cm65n6@irishmvs(Bitnet)
Room G003 Computing Center |scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu(Internet)
University of Notre Dame  Notre Dame, IN 46556-0539 USA
Xref: sparky sci.skeptic:14642 talk.origins:9737 talk.religion.misc:14248
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Young earth creationist logic NOT!
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:37:29 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA

In article <74uq03T562o200@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jloucks@uts.amdahl.com (Jim Loucks) writes:
}kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
}> If God's intention was to confuse us wouldn't he have
}>made the tree rings, ice cores, lake bottoms, and coral reefs all disagree to
}>some extent as a hint?
}
}His intention was not to confuse us.

Astounding!  You are so powerful as to know the hidden intentions of GOD!!!
Omniscient, perhaps?
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: 890707p@ace.acadiau.ca (GLENN G. PARSONS)
Subject: Adresses in U.K.
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:07:46 GMT

AM desperately seeking info on biology post grad programs at any/all U.k. 
schools  Any adresses or info anyone could send would be greatly 
appreciated!!!!
                                                    MIckJ
From: sotoc@frith.egr.msu.edu (Ciro Soto)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: H.R. 4418 bill for IRS taxes
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:03:30 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

Does anybody know if the HR4418 bill was approved ?
If so, are the Research Assistants  included in this bill ?,
or only those who have scholarship and fellowship.

Thanks



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From: panos1@ee.ic.ac.uk (Panayoti Ntourntoufis)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: questions on curriculum vita
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:31:49 GMT
Organization: Elec. Eng. Dept., Imperial College London

In article <1992Aug18.082344.2091@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mes10@po.CWRU.Edu (Mark E. Smith) writes:
>
>
>  [...]
>
>
>In the same vein, there is another book in print with helpful tips as well:
>
>The Academic Job Search Handbook
>Mary Morris Heiberger & Julia Miller Vick.
>Univ of Penna Press, 1992
>paperback =  $12.95
>
>  [...]
>
>Certainly worth a look in the bookstore for anyone interested.
>
>~Smith

Does anybody here in the UK know where to find the book mentioned
above?

Panos.


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Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: geoff@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Geoff West)
Subject: Re: Conferences vs Journals
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:01:52 GMT

I just caught the discussion on journal vs conference papers. I wonder if the 
whole process of publishing papers is now out of control. It seems you have to
do incremental research i.e. take someone's idea, extend it, publish the result.
This is necessary to get brownie points. I feel I am dragged into this attitude
by the need to publish for my career.

I wonder if the publishing process is about to become somewhat obsolete by the
explosion in email, news and postscript papers available via ftp. Perhaps your
success as a researcher is then measured by how many people access your papers!

Geoff West
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Xref: sparky sci.research.careers:661 alt.grad-student.tenured:32
From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,alt.grad-student.tenured
Subject: Re: Second Undergraduate Degree, or transitional master's
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:31:35 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <rrempel.714349773@sfu.ca> rrempel@selkirk.sfu.ca (Rodney Dwight Rempel) writes:
>From what I've seen, a second B.Sc. is about as much good as a third
>foot: an interesting curiosity, but won't really get you anywhere

	Depends on what you want it for. I considered getting out of science
completely and starting at the bottom as a lawyer, since I figured that
in a few years as a scientifically trained lawyer I could specialise in
scientific law. For that I needed a law degree before even being allowed
to study for practice. The Scottish office wouldn't give me a grant to
do the second degree, so I had to forget that road.

	I agree adding a BSc on Maths to one in Chemistry is fairly useless
however.
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,alt.grad-student.tenured
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Second Undergraduate Degree, or transitional master's
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:02:34 GMT

In article <BtAwJ9.Bpp@cgl.ucsf.edu> gough@cgl.ucsf.edu (Craig gough%Kollman) writes:
>I've posted this in a couple of other newsgroups and 
>received some useful replies, but I could still use some more 
>advice: 
> 
>Can anyone offer some advice on obtaining a second baccalaureate 
>degree in a different field?  It seems that there are very few 
>universities thadmit students for a second degree in a different 
>field, and very few that offer a "transitional" master's degree 
>program.  (The latter would actually be preferable).   
>My background is in chemistry, and I wish to proceed 
>in the areas of math/physics/computer science/electrical engineering.  
>I would say my strongest interest is in new algorithms for 
>simulation of scientific problems.   

People get a second batchelors if they've taken extra courses during their
undergraduate program.  MIT nerds were notorious for collecting two, three,
or more BS degrees.
It is more typical to change fields with a masters degree.  For many people
they may have already taken many of the undergraduate requirments and only
need about a semesters of courses to qualify for a masters.  This can often
be done by working a little harder during the masters program.
This was not uncommon when I was on the admissions committee of a science
department at Stanford.
From: therat@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Alison Vervoort)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Looking for contacts in Pediatric Virology Field
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:14:08 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


     Greetings, I am Interested in becoming a pediatric virologist
MD/PHD. I am interested in finding contacts who are either:
a member of this profession or somone who personally knows someone who 
is. Information I am looking for includes: the best med school for an
MD/PHD program for this particular field, professors who may be willing
to speak with or write to me regarding this field, or pediatric virologists
who can lead me in the right direction,  academically for this field
before medical school. At present UCSF is the medical school I am
hoping to go to. I am interested in researching for all pediatric
viruses, but my main focus right now is pediatric AIDS. 
Any help is very much appreciated.

please respond via email to:  Alison Vervoort
                               therat@ucscb.ucsc.edu
or feel free to call me at (408) 335-4861 (Felton, California)
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From: laws@ai.sri.com (Kenneth I. Laws)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Conferences vs Journals
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:40:24 GMT
	<1992Aug8.091701.646@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
	<1992Aug8.214926.6196@nas.nasa.gov> <geoff.714060112@marsh>
Organization: Computists International
In-reply-to: geoff@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au's message of 17 Aug 92 14:01:52 GMT

> From Geoff West:
> I just caught the discussion on journal vs conference papers. I wonder if the
> whole process of publishing papers is now out of control.

Yes, it is out of control -- and becoming more so.  Electronic publication
will mean that everyone can publish in numerous start-up journals, books,
report series, etc.  Established professors will avoid such channels; the
younger generation will ignore the established professors -- except where
career advancement is affected.  The number of prestigious journals will
remain about what it is now, but the amount of worthwhile publication will
continue to grow -- making the prestigious journals essentially irrelevant
except for survey articles.  Other forms of gatekeeping will arise, tied
to individual publications rather than to journals.  (It will be like
book and movie reviews.)

The effect on Science will be beneficial.  The effect on careers will be
small.  Current procedures have evolved to promote the people that professors
most want promoted and to screen out others.  New procedures will evolve
to have exactly the same effect.  Face it; if there are jobs for the
top 20% of graduates, and if you're not in the top 30%, you haven't got
much chance of spoofing the system by clever publication strategies --
unless clever publication strategies are themselves the measure of your
quality, which has been too often the case in the past.

					-- Ken


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Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: maniattb@cs.rpi.edu (Bill Maniatty)
Subject: Re: Conferences vs Journals
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:36:41 GMT

In article <geoff.714060112@marsh>, geoff@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Geoff West) writes:
	[Stuff Deleted]
|> 
|> I wonder if the publishing process is about to become somewhat obsolete by the
|> explosion in email, news and postscript papers available via ftp. Perhaps your
|> success as a researcher is then measured by how many people access your papers!
|> 
I suspect that net publications get much less respect than conferences, and
printed journals.  Reasons for this might be:

	1).  Net Publications don't have an extensive refereeing process,
		and peer review is important.

	2).  Historical reasons, people haven't converted over to a new way of
		thinking just yet.

If people post results to the net, it happens after paper publication, and is
not the initial release of their results.

|> Geoff West
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Bill
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