HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: 2.2 Still an Option?
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:34:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.182700.117178@lexmark.com> songer@lexmark.com  
(Christopher Songer) writes:
> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes:
> 
> >If you seriously think that OpenLook is a more productive
> >environment, then I'd say you haven't had to use it for very long.
> >(IMHO, as a biased opinion)
> 
> Hi!
> 
>      I use openwindows and openlook at work and Nextstep at home. I 
> used Nextstep at school and was CC for Purdue. I've been living 
> with openwindows for the last six months.
> 
>      For a UNIX jockey, openlook is not bad. If you are comfortable
> with a UNIX editor and the command line, Openwindows is fine. It's
> just like X for me. It does have an editor and Filemanager, but they
> are worse than the command line equivalents. Make no mistake though,
> if you use openlook/openwindows you are committing to UNIX at the 
> command line level.
> 
>      Nextstep does a much better job of removing the UNIX command line
> from normal system usage. It has a good source editor, the Filemanager
> is much better than the command line. Nextstep blows openlook away as
> far as usefulness goes. When I run Openlook I have about 5 terminals
> hanging around. When I run Nextstep I have only one hidden terminal.

I also agree with Chris.  I used OpenLook on a SparcStation 1+ at my previous  
employment. I was also the Sun system administrator at work. I bought a NeXT  
through that employer's employee computer purchase plan, consequently I was  
much more familiar with Sun's before I took the NeXT plunge.

Invariably, my use of OpenLook seemed to always degenerate down to having a  
bunch of terminal windows open.  That's a lot better than no GUI at all, but a  
long ways from what NeXT provides.  The difference between NeXT and Sun was  
large enough that, failing to convince my previous employer to try NeXT, I  
switched employers.

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From: alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Make it Cheap
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:50:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.81241

Stefano Pagiola writes
> Once they've moved up in the world and have the money to buy the power,  
> they're less likely to make the move to a different system because of  
> all the human capital they've invested in developing their  
> DOS/Windows/mac skills.

How many "real programmers" do you know that are afraid to explore a new  
operating system, regardless of the time and effort they have spend  
elsewhere? Do you think all the great NeXTstep programs out today were  
written by people who "cut their teeth" on a NeXT? Nope. Most of them  
moved to NeXT (probably from Mac) because they saw the power and potential  
of NeXTstep. Most of them probably never looked back. Heh, on the same  
token... how many great Mac programmers out there got started with BASIC  
on a C64? 

> Stefano Pagiola
> Food Research Institute, Stanford University
> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)

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***************************************
Alex Currier
Texas Union MicroCenter
University of Texas at Austin

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From: carsten@pizza.fb10.tu-berlin.de
Subject: Re: NeXTStep : -) , Wind/X11 :-(   [was: In BYTE (NeXT) ]
Reply-To: carsten@pizza.fb10.tu-berlin.de
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:08:38 GMT

Sorry, I've just seen, that someone else has made that point.

Carsten
From: matt%mattcube@mcnc.org (Matthew M. Stecker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Naming the new machine.
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:39:07 GMT
Reply-To: matt%mattcube@mcnc.org
Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc.

In article <SCOTT.92Oct7060900@nic.gac.edu>  writes:
> Some people have been poking fun at the rumored new NeXT machine,
> the "Nitro".  This is basically an extension of the fun poked at
> "Turbo" back when it was announced.  It is and was deserved (at
> least now we know how you top the "Turbo" moniker), but ...
> 

	Maybe I'll eat my words on this one, but I can't believe that 'Nitro'  
is going to be the actual production name for the speeded-up slab, if it does  
in fact exist.  It may take some imagination, but "turbo" at least associates  
with the image of high-price, high-performance sports/luxury cars (see also  
Jobs using the Ferrari image in his demos).  "Nitro", on the other hand  
conjures up mental images of top fuel dragsters, "funny cars", Don Prudhomme  
(no relation to Paul), Skoal, and those nitro-burning tractors that seem to  
haunt 'The Nashville Network' late at night with their Sisyphaen task of 'sled  
hauling'.  

	My vote is for a numeric based system of identification.  If you take a  
look at the car market, many of the 'high end' car manufacturers (BMW,  
Mercedes, Porsche, Lexus, Infiniti, even Mazda) have taken this route with  
their image.  NeXT has too wonderful of an image to have it diluted by nonsense  
monikers.


ps - I can see it now, NeXTWorld '93 - (turn on your 'Hi, this is Steve Jobs'  
voice) - "See, we can put Donald in front of the top fuel dragster, We can put  
him behind it, and, let's see here . . . We can even see Donald's face slightly  
obscured by the opaque trial of fire behind the dragster! . . . )

	
-- 
matt stecker			|	This is my NeXT Computer
NeXT Campus Consultant,		|	There are many like it,
UNC School of Law		|	but this one is mine.
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From: strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu (Nicolas Strobel)
Subject: December ship date data point
Summary: My order pushed back to Dec 18. Add to Dec ship data
Keywords: delayed shipdate AGAIN
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:36:47 GMT

Here's another data point for those keeping track of delayed NeXT 3.0 software.
My order was originally projected for Nov 2, and is now pushed back to
Dec 14.  With all the complaints of the interface speed and other bugs, maybe 
it's just as well that I stay with 2.1 as long as I can. I'll hold to the
unreasonably wild hope that they'll ship me 3.0a or 3.1 (bug fixed OS).

nick
strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: NeXT prices (again)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:03:49 GMT

ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) writes:


>  The thing that is probably hindering the NeXT are its prices for
>software.  They are ludicrus.  Concurrence for the NeXT is $795
>discounted.  For the Mac, you could buy Acta, MS-Powerpoint and
>Pagemaker for that price.

>Lotus Improv for the NeXT is $549 while you can find Ms-Excel or
>Lotus 1-2-3 for Mac for $400.

>I like the NeXT machine, but sometimes I feel that software companies
>are price gouging.

Like you said, some would say that you get what you pay for with
'best of breed' software.  (and others would point out WordPerfect
and.. well...let's not get into that)

Maybe Glenn Reid or Andrew Stone will post their perspectives, but I
imagine that they need to price them at that price to recoup their
production costs because they can't hope to sell that many copies
right now.   (compared to the volume that a mainstream Mac
application like Excel or PageMaker sells)

When NeXTs become more prevalent in the business community (and this
is changing every second as more companies sign up), obviously
prices will go down as that production cost is split among more
copies.
Getting into the business community is the first step for any major
computer - look at the PC.  No one could afford that machine for
home use in 1982 without justification like 'Well, we're using it at
work, I can work at home'.  That's what caused my dad to buy a 4.77
MHz IBM PC in the early 80's for ~$3k... When people see how NeXT helps them
work better at work, they will want them to work better at home,
too.  THEN, we'll have the kind of mass market acceptance that the
Mac has.

You mention Excel for the Mac at $400.  IMAGINE how many copies they
sell of Excel for the Mac * $400??? Assuming Microsoft isn't just
gouging everyone just to make its CEO the wealthiest person
alive... (hmm :-) imagine how much it must have cost them to
create that piece of software!  
Now, realize that Improv is priced quite similarly and has similar
features (in a skewed sort of way, but better in some ways), and
realize how many copies they must hope to sell.  I guess it's a lot
cheaper to develop on the NeXT than the Mac.
(Now, who is going to argue that... especially in this forum)

After all that, I suggest you check out Mesa from David Pollak at
Athena.  They had some educational discounts, if memory serves
right.  It also seems to be the most growing of the NeXT
spreadsheets. 
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
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From: vhs@rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Subject: Re: Essence of flame
Reply-To: vhs@rhein-main.de
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:38:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.113251.19592@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S  
Secinaro) writes:
> Windows NT               NT = Not Today, Not Tomorrow

My favorite: NT = Noch tr"ager (German for "even slower")

--
Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@rhein-main.de)

Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any
given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence.
See also: MS-DOS, Windows, IBM-PC, X, QWERTY,
          80x86, TrueType, Survival of the shittest.
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Essence of flame
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:05:24 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1avm9hINNsmo@network.ucsd.edu> simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon)  
writes:
> 
> In article <Bvrs9v.C97.2@cs.cmu.edu>, ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio)  
writes:
> |> >Macintosh               MacinTrash,MacinToss
> |> 
> |> The one I'm used to is "Macintoy".
> |> -- 
> |> DdJ
> 
> How about Trashintosh, Crapintosh, Hackandtoss, Smackintosh, Junkintosh,
> Trashandtoss, ... you get the idea :)

Very good. My favorite is the joke about how to best accelerate a Mac... 

But seriously, folks... Apple is to be admired in that they have, quite  
possibly, succeeded more than any other company at meeting their *stated*  
goals, which is to make a computer that is easy to use. Personally, I am  
too dependent on things like "grep foobar *.[hm] | wc" to ever use a Mac  
as my main machine again, but the Mac is truly a work of art when it comes  
to making a computer that even the techno-illiterate can use.

Besides, the only notebook I would even consider using is the Powerbook,  
simply because of the wrist-rests and the trackball. 

Incidentally, the answer is "9.8 meters per second squared". :-)

-Anthony
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From: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Subject: Re: Multiple Sound playing in 3.0!
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:36:05 GMT

In article <2599@ulysse.enst.fr> laroche@wayne.enst.fr (Jean Laroche ) writes:
>>Hi guys!
>>
>>Here's a new cool feature of 3.0: You can play several sounds simultaneously!  
>>Try to play a first sound with 
>>	sndplaydsp sound1 &
>>then play another one sndplaydsp sound2 & and another etc...
>>The result is pretty cool! All sounds get mixed, all in real-time, without  
the  
>>help of the DSP (which can continue doing whatever it was busy with).  
AMAZING!
>>The limit seems to be 4 sounds at 44.1 kHz.
>>
>>Game programmers, you HAVE to use this! Now you can have a sound (compressed  
by  
>>a factor 5) playing in the background of your game, and several other small  
>>sounds superimposing depending on what's going on etc...
>>
>>Can't wait to see games using this feature!
>>J. Laroche
>>Telecom Paris.

This all seems (at least to me) to add credence to the idea of NeXT ditching  
the DSP in favor of using the main processor(s) for this kind of thing.  If you  
watch a verbose boot process you will see something like "yourmachine mach:  
audio kernel server initialized".  Read between the lines guys :-)

--
Ronald Pomeroy		[Objective-Cruntime: [Smalltalk runtime]];
Advanced Micro Devices	[self dream-on];
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: laroche@wayne.enst.fr (Jean Laroche )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Multiple Sound playing in 3.0!
Keywords: Sound, 3.0
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:24:07 GMT

Hi guys!

Here's a new cool feature of 3.0: You can play several sounds simultaneously!  
Try to play a first sound with 
	sndplaydsp sound1 &
then play another one sndplaydsp sound2 & and another etc...
The result is pretty cool! All sounds get mixed, all in real-time, without the  
help of the DSP (which can continue doing whatever it was busy with). AMAZING!
The limit seems to be 4 sounds at 44.1 kHz.

Game programmers, you HAVE to use this! Now you can have a sound (compressed by  
a factor 5) playing in the background of your game, and several other small  
sounds superimposing depending on what's going on etc...

Can't wait to see games using this feature!
J. Laroche
Telecom Paris.
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Naming the new machine.
Date: 8 Oct 1992 19:48:00 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Oct8.152803.2148@parsec.mixcom.com> alberto@parsec.uucp writes:
>Yea something like:
>
>C3016 (old cube)
>NS4025
>NSC4025
>NDC4025
>S40....

Or, in keeping with the fast car paradigm, "F40".  That would certainly boost
Italian sales, but might bother a particular red Italian car manufacturer :-)
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer #745         NeXT software development and consulting
Email: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                                Voice: (408)335-1154
USmail: 95018-9442                                           Fax: (408)335-2515
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Gotham Users of NeXT meeting: Wednesday, October 14th
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:55:39 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com

Gotham Users of NeXT (New York City NeXT User Group)

SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE NEW YORK MAC USERS GROUP

Wednesday, October 14th

I. NYMUG Elections - 7:00 pm

II. GUN Presentation - 8:00 pm
	1. Introduction
		Paul Murphy

	2. NeXT Overview
		Mike Slade, Mitch Green (NeXT Computer, Inc.)
	
	3. DTP and Graphics
		Jim Cornacchia (Electronic Directions)
		John Budocovic
		Bill Bumgarner (Stone Design)

	4. Telecommunications
		Ray Bloom (Marble)

III.  Closing Q & A - 9:30 pm


Martin Luther King High School
123 Amsterdam Avenue (at West 66th Street), New York, NY
212/ 874-1202

Questions to GUN at 718-260-9848
From: jpena@foo (Javier Pena)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Multiple Sound playing in 3.0!
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:30:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <2599@ulysse.enst.fr> laroche@wayne.enst.fr (Jean Laroche )  
writes:
> Hi guys!
> 
> Here's a new cool feature of 3.0: You can play several sounds  
simultaneously!  
> Try to play a first sound with 
> 	sndplaydsp sound1 &
> then play another one sndplaydsp sound2 & and another etc...
> The result is pretty cool! All sounds get mixed, all in real-time,  
without the  
> help of the DSP (which can continue doing whatever it was busy with).  
AMAZING!
> The limit seems to be 4 sounds at 44.1 kHz.

--
I couldn't find this command in NS 3.0. Do I have to download the source  
code of this command from an archive site or where is it? 

Javier Pena
jpena@pencom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: jon@afs.com
Subject: Oops
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:30:53 GMT


Sorry about that post. Something's obviously just not right here.

--
Jonathan Hendry  Anderson Financial Systems
jon@afs.com  (Nextmail Welcome!) or hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
s likely to make the move to a different system because of  
> all the human capital they've invested in developing their  
> DOS/Windows/mac skills.

Personally, I'd prefer if there were lote.

--
Jonathan Hendry  Anderson Financial Systems
jon@afs.com  (Nextmail Welcome!) or hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
s likely to make the move to a different system because of  
> all the human capital they've invested in developing their  
> DOS/Windows/mac skills.

Personally, I'd prefer if there were lots of companies using end-user NeXT's, and a bunch of constantly and profitably employed NeXT programmers, while the DOS/Mac heads do their DOS/Mac stuff. Rather than a bloated market of NeX
From: stuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Pearlman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Connecting a Scan-X Color scanner
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:42:43 GMT
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
X-Organization: (formerly David Taylor Research Center)


Is it possible to daisy-chain another scsi device off of a Scan-X
Color scanner?  The scanner only has one scsi connector on the back,
so it appears that it must be the last device on the scsi chain.  

The manual states that it can go anywhere in the scsi chain, and
discusses under what circumstances the scanner needs a terminator
(basically, if it is the last device in the scsi chain).

If you can put the scanner in the middle of the scsi chain, how would
you daisy-chain the subsequent device?

If you put it at the end of the scsi chain, what's the correct way to
connect the terminator?

Thanks in advance.

-stuart
-- 
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Trandes Corporation                             +1 301 459 0200
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From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw)
Subject: Re: NeXT trackball
Keywords: trackball
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:15:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.181659.19040@informix.com>, todd@crayola (Todd Katz) writes:
|> Is there a source for a trackball for a NeXT? Thanks in advance.

I would have E-Mailed this but your return address doesn't seem to work...

Try the latest Copy of NeXTWorld...They have a review of a trackball for the NeXT
and also the new ADB keyboard which may be another option if you want a
trackball.

hope this helps

john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: mikem@afs.com (Mike Matlack)
Subject: Re: High Availability for NeXTs
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:07:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.195446.8138@liveware.com> todd@liveware.com writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.210010.8108@almserv.uucp> rmcghee@fnma.com(Rich  
McGhee)  
> writes:
> > Has anybody spent anytime thinking about or working on a High  
Availability  
> > solution for NeXT machines?  That is, redundant disk drives, two  
machines  
> > that switch over when one goes down?  Any ideas?
> I too would like to know if anyone is interested in these

NeXT sells insanely great operating environments and end-user machines,  
not fault tolerant servers.  You might consider buying a server from a  
company who's in business to make fault tolerant machines (e.g. Pyramid or  
Auspex) instead of trying to change, or add to,  NeXT's focus.

mikem
--
Michael J. Matlack
Anderson Financial Systems
Mike_Matlack@afs.com (NeXTmail is OK)
From: kucerarj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ryan J Kucera)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: internal/external CD-ROM, '040 turbo upgrade
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:48:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1beuleINN3vd
Reply-To: kucerarj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ryan J Kucera)
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g310a6.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Oct12.210453.8885@tamsun.tamu.edu> steve@snoopy.tamu.edu  
(Steve Rikli) writes:
> Also, my cube has one of the first '040 boards in it, I'm assuming  
therefore
> that it's 25MHz.  Is there an upgrade path to migrate to the 33MHz?

I just got my turbo upgrade for my cube.  I don't remember the item  
number, it took me awhile to actually get it.  It's a service part.  I got  
the item number from next.  Havein the turbo with the dimension, makes  
things a lot quicker!

Ryan Kucera
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: dougmac@thnext.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Doug A MacIntire)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: DeskWriter driver for the NeXT
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:45:10 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Are there any drivers for an HP DeskWriter out there?  Do I need 3.0?
From: rvose@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Randy Vose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: CD ROMS for a NSC...
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:41:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunb10.1992Oct14.234148.26354
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

I checked the FAQs we received on our system, but I didn't see anything
about CD-ROMS and I've been away from the net for a spell, so pardon me if
I completely missed the discussion on this....

Could someone out there mail me a list of CD-ROM drives that work with a
non-Turbo NeXTstation color?  From the research I've done already, it seems
that they're all pretty slow.  What I'm looking for is (like everyone else)
the best price/performance.

I talked with Tecor and they said their unit is the same as the Sony one
NeXT is selling.  I also spoke with NeXTConnection about the PLI drive they
offer.  The specs are both identical (in terms of seek time, transfer rate,
etc, etc.)

So, the big question for everyone is: "Where did you get your CD ROM, what
kind is it, how much was it and what do/don't you like about it?"

Mail replies to rvose@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu or post replies here.


Randy Vose                   "Could you repeat that please? I had my hearing
rvose@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu      aid turned off..."
University of Illinois
Urbana/Champaign
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