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From: rye@scmbrd.dco.dec.com (Bill Rye)
Subject: Re: Patches online, was Re: Unix Review review of Alpha/OSF
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Digital Services, COL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:37:16 GMT

Fortunately enough for me, most of you out there in netland realized, I was 
posting an opinion and not a fact.  Having "Stupidly" deleted my .signature 
file, my disclaimer was no where to be found.

Some things I think that need to be said.

1) I didn't mean to imply that I or DEC thought users were stupid.  I meant
to imply (and most people picked up on this) that in my opinion, DEC was
just being extremely cautious by not having patches available.  I personally
feel that we need to do something to get the fixes out in a reasonable,
timely, and efficient matter that solves customer's problems and doesn't
cost DEC an arm and a leg.  Posting them on the internet is one
solution.

2) I think that instead of discussing it here, we should do something about it.
I propose the following: Send me a mail message (since I've already marked
most of the news messages as read, and came into this discussion in the
middle,) containing the following information:

	Why DEC should post patches on the internet.
	How all of us would benefit from this.
	If you currently pay for telephone support how this would effect it.
	(in other words would you drop it or continue it)
	Your name and phone number complete with area code.
	If internet access is refused, what other options might work.

	I will collect these until Feb. 8, 1993.  On Feb. 8th at 17:00
I will take this mail and forward it on to support myself and others in their
work to change the current policy.  It may help, it may not, but it is at
least an attempt.
Bill Rye	 | DISCLAIMER - Digital may own my thoughts and ideas,
DEC Columbia, MD | but all opinions are my own, no matter how stupid they might
rye@dco.dec.com  | seem.
From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: VMS on ALPHA PC's
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:42:07 GMT
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com
Keywords: Alpha PC, VMS

>I think DEC is missing market share waiting for NT.  Get the boxes out running
>VMS and SoftPC now.

	If the price were right, they'd make a nice X terminal or UNIX
workstation, too. Waiting for NT is a strategic blunder.

mjr.
-- 
                                                 "guns don't die. people do."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: jtw@lcs.mit.edu (John Wroclawski)
Subject: Re: Need alloca which allocates storage IN the stack frame (Ultrix)
Organization: MIT Home for Wayward Triumphs
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:58:27 GMT


   From: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson)

   Thanks for the response, but (as you point out) I neglected to mention
   that this is for a DECStation 5000/200.  Thanks also to those who
   have suggested GNU Emacs/GCC alloca(), but it works (doesn't work :-)
   in the same manner as the DEC alloca() -- the storage allocated is
   not IN the stack.  I had already tried it before I posted.

   I am still looking for an (assembly) version of alloca() which
   does manipulate the stack to allocate storage.

The problem here is that since the Mips calling standard does not
require the use of a frame pointer (and in fact an FP is almost never
used in optimized code), implementing an in-stack alloca requires some
help from the compiler (because you must move the stack pointer, but
the SP is used to reference local variables.

The decstation version of GCC provides this support. So does the
standard Ultrix C compiler, but you must include <alloca.h> or 
"#define alloca __builtin_alloca" in any file that needs it. However,
as I recall the version built in to the standard compiler has some
limitations, which are documented in <alloca.h> and perhaps elsewhere.

John Wroclawski
MIT Lab for Computer Science
jtw@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: quodling@stimpy.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: What's an RC25 please??
Organization: SPR Alpha Migration Centre
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 21:01:48 GMT

The RC25 was a novel disk drive for its time. As I recall the drive was a Half
width in a 19" rackmount, standard 10.5 inches high. In this you got a fixed
25Mb, and a removable 25 Mb cartridge. (or it might have been 26Mb). The
cartridges were compact for their day, about the dimensions of a quarto
notepad, but about an inch thick.

THere were UNibus and Qbus controllers for them, and they were the system
drives on the VAX 725, which was a 730, packaged into what was then, a small
box. 

We used to have a couple attached to a MicroVAX II at one stage. 

-- 
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SPR Alpha Migration Centre       UUCP: ...!decwrl!stimpy.enet!quodling
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From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Patches online, was Re: Unix Review review of Alpha/OSF
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:30:41 GMT
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com

rye@scmbrd.dco.dec.com (Bill Rye) writes:
>2) I think that instead of discussing it here, we should do something about it.
>I propose the following: Send me a mail message (since I've already marked
>most of the news messages as read, and came into this discussion in the
>middle,) containing the following information:
>
>	Why DEC should post patches on the internet.
[...]


	Bill, your heart is in the right place, but your horse is dead,
and maybe it's cruelty to animals to flog it further. Gail Grant has
already tried exactly what you're suggesting. Before Gail tried it, I
tried it informally. Gail managed to get the input up to a VP level I
believe before it got stonewalled/sidetracked/ignored/bitbucketted.

	I think an accurate statement of the situation is "They just
don't get it".

	Perhaps if Gail is still out there, she can comment on how the
previously solicited customer input was received?

mjr.
-- 
                                                 "guns don't die. people do."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
From: rflukes@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard F. Lukes)
Subject: WANTED: Definicon DSI-32 software
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:18:56 GMT

Hello,

I have a DSI-32 PC-coprocessor card with an incomplete software distribution.
I have most of the PC host software in Concurrent-DOS executables (.CMD files).
I would greatly appreciate it if I could find someone willing to provide me
with copies of the MS-DOS executables (in particulare the LOAD program).
I have the 32K assembler, Fortran and C compilers, but can't use them without
the DOS host software (right?).

Oh,  and I would be interested in hearing of any other interesting software
which was available for these boards.

Thank you,
--Rich
-- 
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Computer Science Department         (or rflukes@ccm.UManitoba.CA)
University of Manitoba
WORK: (204)-474-8696                HOME: (204)-257-6701
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From: phil@cs.wwu.EDU (Phil Nelson)
Subject: pc532 port of Jolix?
Reply-To: phil@cs.wwu.edu
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:13:29 GMT

>Is anyone activly working on a 386BSD port to the pc532?
Yes.  But I'm not very far or have much time to work on it.
It is interesting, but I'm having to use Minix as the porting
base.

--Phil
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From: phil@Shiva.COM (Phil Budne)
Subject: pc532 port of Jolix?
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:01:22 GMT

Is anyone activly working on a 386BSD port to the pc532?

Jordan, Bdale and Phil all seem to have confessed to have worked
on this at one time or another (using various hosts for compilation).

Since recent BSD uses Mach VM, shouldn't the Finnish Mach port
(ie; pmap.c) be directly applicable?

Alternatively, hvae there been any advances on the BNR2SS front?

-Phil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: Re: Psion 3 128 or 256?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:33:56 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.
Keywords: psion

In article <1993Jan22.102441.2517@black.ox.ac.uk>, uv94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Matt Millar) writes:
|> Yo!
|> 
|> I am seriously considering buying a Psion 3 for diary & database
|> use.  I wanted to know the differences between the 128K and 256K
|> versions, bearing in mind I doubt very much I will ever want to 
|> use the spreadsheet.
|> 
|> Replies either through the net or to:

 To the net, it's for common interest, i think.

|> 
|> uv94002@black.ox.ac.uk
|> 
|> /\/\att
|> -- 
|> /\/\att
|> 
|> #include "silly.ascii.graphics"

 The difference between the 128K version and 256K Version is a 'minor' one.
 As the basic CPU is a V30 (8086), even the Psion must work with memory
 segments. So, a programm can only be 'run' in a special area of the
 active RAM. If you would like to run several programms at the time
 (the Psion allows multitasking), each of them is running in the 128/256K
 RAM area. Altough the programm may be loaded from a FLASH-RAM or Solid-State
 Disk, it will be executed in the 128/256K space. 
 So if you consider getting a Psion and an additional software-package,
 i.e. Spreadsheat, Translator or such, you really should consider the 256K
 Version. 
 If you don't want to use much more than the buildt-in Software, you could get 
 the 128K Version, but let me warn you :)
 As far as i know, the 128K version has not the latest ROM and OS-Version, but
 i may be wrong here. 

 Even my 256K-Psion is nearly full now, anyone has a cheap source for SSD's ?

-- 
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Universitaet Bielefeld Fax: (+49 521) 106-2992
Technische Fakultaet   Phone: (+49 521) 106-2938 ; (2935 Sek.)
Angewandte Informatik  SnailMail: Postfach 100131, D-4800 BIELEFELD 1
From: billw@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (William C Wickes)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:50:29 GMT
Subject: Re: the new TI-82
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds

(This response was accidently posted to the next note. Apologies for
saying it twice.)

Keep in mind while you are reading the base note about the wonders
of the TI-82 that the authors were part of the TI graphing calculator
project, and Bert in particular has effectively been part of the TI sales team
for years.  They are about as likely to be unbiased as I would be talking
about the HP48.

I will agree with my friends Bert and Frank that there's nothing close
to the TI products.  But distance can be measured in two directions...

Bill Wickes
HP Corvallis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: bull@procyon.tuc.noao.edu (Frank Bull/Gemini 8m)
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Reply-To: bull@procyon.tuc.noao.edu (Frank Bull/Gemini 8m)
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories
Distribution: inet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:38:29 GMT

I have one of the Seiko watches with seperate keyboards (Data 2000?) that I
haven't used in several years. I might be persuaded to part with it for an
appropriate recompensation.
-- 
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Gemini 8 Meter Telescopes Project       |CompuServe 75270,1166
PO Box 26732 Tucson, Arizona 85726      |Home sys: noao.tuc.edu!bull%pyrrus.uucp
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From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: BBS hours change
Organization: HoloNet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:56:46 GMT

Effective immediately, hours of operation of my bulletin board system shall
change to 10pm to 7am CST daily, instead of 11pm to 8am.  Please note that
at other times you will be greeted by voice or by an answering machine.  If
you would like to log on at another time such as earlier in the evening or
during the day on weekends, feel free to call by voice and request access.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of you great folks from the
Chicago area and from all over the US and Canada who have logged on to see
what the BBS has to offer, for calling back to continue enjoying the board,
and for sharing what you can with fellow users of HP handhelds and palmtops.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: gunawan@envmsa.eas.asu.edu 
Subject: *** HP IR Printer for sale ***
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords:  HP
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:54:00 GMT

FOR SALE: HP 82204A Infrared Printer in mint condition.

Asking $45 (shipping included)

If you're interested, please contact: 

     Leo
     Email: sie_0148@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO ME!
From: huff@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Brian C. Huff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: HP28s software
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:41:44 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


	Does anyone out there know where to find software for the
HP28s?  I've been looking, but to no avail.  Any help would be
appreciated!

Thanks!

Brian C. Huff
huff@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:13:08 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1k35umINNdoe@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:

>Were you guys telling the truth about watch SCIENTIFIC calculators.
>I think you weren't, but I'd like to beleive you were....

We most certainly were.  Here's what my Casio CFX-200 looks like:

                     -------------------
                     | INV  F1  F2  EXE|
light/sign change-> [|+---------------+|] <--divide
                     ||1-26         TU||
flush mounted set--> ||1 4 : 0 1   1 3||] <--multiply
                     |+---------------+|
calc mode/C         [| [7] [8] [9] [0] |] <--subtract/M-
                     | [4] [5] [6] [.] |
stopwatch/alarm/CE  [| [1] [2] [3] [+] |] <--equals/M+
                     -------------------
F1 cycles through DRG, pi, in, ft, mi, oz, lb, gal, K (constant), and (
F2 cycles through sin, cos, tan, log, ln, 10^x, e^x, x^y, x^2, sqrt, 1/x, %

The functions are written in tiny little letters around the crystal.
The function cycling is a big pain, often I would overshoot a function
and I'd have to go all the way around again.  I wish they would have
just used F1 and F2 as shift keys and put all the functions on the
keypad instead.

EXE executes the current selected function.
INV inverts the current selected function, eg, in becomes cm, lb becomes kg.
INV . (decimal point) allows input of exponent for scientific notation.
The date in time mode (1-26) is a bitmapped region and shows the
current selected function, pi actually shows the Greek letter, sqrt
shows root symbol.  The current day (TU) is a dual 7 segment display
and is used for the exponent for scientific notation.

This thing is several years old now, I've forgotten exactly when I got
it.  I expected even more powerful watches to be available by now,
alas, they are not.  I'd love a little Forth based wrist computer
with perhaps 4KB RAM.  Oh well.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
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From: phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:05:58 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk

I really wanted the Seiko watch with they keyboard.  I had a friend with TWO!
Can't get them though.  I have to make do with the phone-dialer watch, though
I mostly use the alarms.

I heard about the apple watch a while back and was going to check it out - 
but not now.  SHAME it won't transmit, or at least input data.

The older cool watches we GOOD watches, how they SHOULD be.

Were you guys telling the truth about watch SCIENTIFIC calculators.
I think you weren't, but I'd like to beleive you were....


-- 
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| Sam   Jam|"Never underestimate the importance of a cheap laugh"-       |
| Liddicott| phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk                     Plucky Duck TTA |
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From: cg711@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: CASIO VDB-1000 REALLY HIGH TECH
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:55:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


HELLO PEOPLE:
            If you want a really good high tech watch.You
            should check out the new TOUCH SENSOR WATCH that 
            Casio has come out with.Its really new but they
            just hit the retail stores. It has no BUTTONS
            instead it has a touch sensor screen.On the face
            of the watch you just touch the bottom of the watch
            and you get a menu.Then you pick from the menu,all
            by touch theres not a button on it.and its quite
            extensive.The menu has the following options
            1-DATA BANK=telephone numbers theres 3 different
                        telephone banks,personal,business,secret.
            2-SCHEDULES=input schedules time dates,Alarm Reminders.
            3-ALARMS=5 yes 5 alarms Also hourly ping.
            4=STOPWATCH=enough said
            5=COUNT DOWN TIMER=ENOUGH SAID
            6=World times enough said
            7=DUEL TIME ZONES.
            8 EVEN A LIGHT=WHAT MORE CAN I SAY
              
            THIS WATCH CAN DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING,BUT PUT COFFEE
            UP IN THE MORNING.

            IT HAS A VERY EXTENSIVE MEMORY OF 64K.
            ITS MODEL NUMBER IS THE FOLLOWING      VBD-1000
            IT RETAILS AT $249.95 but you can get it for as low as
            $150.00  TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT I AM LEAVING CASIOS
            800-638-9228  SMALL ERROR MODEL # is VDB-1000

             howardr@panix.com
             cg711@cleveland.freenet.edu
                                        GOOD LUCK GUYS
                   HOWARD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches WOW
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: inet
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:55:07 CST

In article <1k5vkkINNhfu@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:
>
>In those days I was on meager paper boy wages.

I was on a McDonald's employee's wages. :-)  But it wasn't too difficult to
come up with about $50 for the watches.

>And now a have a slight bit of cash, what do I see......
>not much!

Yes, current watch selection leaves a little to be desired.  Maybe the
market demand really isn't there anymore. :-(

I'm keeping my Casio scientific forever. :-)  (Even though these days my
"low end" scientific calculator is a HP 32SII.)

					---Joel Kolstad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
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Distribution: inet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:36:16 GMT

In article <1k35umINNdoe@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:

   Were you guys telling the truth about watch SCIENTIFIC calculators.
   I think you weren't, but I'd like to beleive you were....

I've seen a couple of scientific calculator watches in years gone by.  
Haven't seen any recently.
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: cmumford@iat.holonet.net (Chris Mumford)
Subject: Looking for Small organizer
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:57:11 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: hoffberg@medusa.aps.anl.gov (Mike G. Hoffberg)
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:01:01 GMT

In article <1k35umINNdoe@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:
>I really wanted the Seiko watch with they keyboard.  I had a friend with TWO!
>Can't get them though.  I have to make do with the phone-dialer watch, though
>I mostly use the alarms.
>

I have a friend with one.  If someone wants it, e-mail me a bid, and I
will pass it along to my friend.  (I have no idea what it is worth.)

MIKE (hoffberg@phebos.aps.anl.gov)

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                            /__| |__\ Lab   Boola! _|_ Boola!
From: phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: High Teck Watches WOW
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:36:36 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk

Wow.

it turns my stomach to jelly/jello just to read about it.

In those days I was on meager paper boy wages.
And now a have a slight bit of cash, what do I see......
not much!

(perhaps my cahs is *too* slight!)

Lucky dogs, all of you....
(wistful sigh)

-- 
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| Sam   Jam|"Never underestimate the importance of a cheap laugh"-       |
| Liddicott| phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk                     Plucky Duck TTA |
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From: uv94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Matt Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Psion 3 128 or 256?
Summary: Enquiry about 128K or 256K Psion
Keywords: psion
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:24:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
Originator: uv94002@black

Yo!

I am seriously considering buying a Psion 3 for diary & database
use.  I wanted to know the differences between the 128K and 256K
versions, bearing in mind I doubt very much I will ever want to 
use the spreadsheet.

Replies either through the net or to:

uv94002@black.ox.ac.uk

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