From: kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran)
Subject: OH MY GOD!  HE'S GOT A GUN! (Was: All Caps Implications)
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In article <1992Apr5.055741.25141@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>In <1992Apr4.225950.26567@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr3.214523.25335@cs.dal.ca>
>>franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>
>>An entirely *what* approach towards sex?
>  An entirely DIFFERENT approach and mentality towards sex...
Ok, I can accept that.  What "different" approach do you think we should take?

>>In what way has sex been cheapened?
>  Easy. there is a lack of commitment emphasized within our society.
>Sex is not seen as a bond of a relationship but often as a purely
>self-fulfilling ideal. Many people see nothing wrong with this,
>but obviously I do. You see this present in everything from
>beer commercials to toothpaste ads...
Um, I hate to tell you this, Steve, but you can't build a relationship on sex.
Sex may be a PART of your relationship, but a relationship based purely on sex
is doomed (IMHO, of course).
>
>>Please defend the position that aboriton is a "cop-out".
>   Abortion is a cop-out [in general] for several reasons.
Such as????
>It is often a choice when you feel you cannot accept the responsibility
>or maturity required to handle a new child. It is often a choice when
>you feel you cannot finance a child. It is often a choice when you
>just plain ol' don't want the child. Abortion is an easy solution or way
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please give the name of *ONE* (yes, ONE) woman who has had an abortion who
feels it was a "easy solution".
>out from a problem. financially, when you get bills, do you just not
>pay them? No, you deal with them. Why is it you feel you can afford
>the money to accomadate your power company, but not a child? granted
>a child isa hell of a lot more expensive than your electric bill,
>but isn't it worth it? 
Gee, Steve, I don't know.  How about if we let THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE
PREGNANCY DECIDE IF IT'S "WORTH IT"????  Radical concept, huh?
>
>
>>You say this as if everyone having sex wanted children.  Hate to break
>>it to you, but that ain't so.
>   Oh, jeeez, I know that. That is my entire point. The emphasis wthin
>society is that sex is for pleasure, not reproduction. I am aware of that, 
>and embarassed by it as well. Although the two should go hand in hand,
>it appears that the fetus, a sentient being or not, is the victim.

Oh, ok.  Here's what you meant by a "different approach to sex".  You belong
to the "sex=children" group.  They're right down the hall.
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