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From: lilorenzin@apollo.davidson.edu (...FLAME)
Subject: Re: innocent blood
Organization: Davidson College, Davidson, NC
Reply-To: lilorenzin@apollo.davidson.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:56:10 GMT
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In article <20190@plains.NoDak.edu>, bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.134257.11755@ctr.columbia.edu> lilorenzin@apollo.davidson.edu writes:
>>nothing so much like a vampyre as a human being.
>Yep.  Vampyres are like humans, with a severe amplification of the drive to 
>hunt, to kill, and to feel.
>
>Have you ever noticed the one thing all true predators have in common?
>
>Their eyes face forward.

's an interesting observation.  depth perception being of greater necessity
than range of vision, perhaps?  and for natural prey (read, rabbits/squirrels
etc) the opposite, more range of vision to watch for predators.

'course that's prob'ly a bunch of shit, but it sounds nice & technical...

>Now go look in a mirror....

or go look at your friends.

>>...flame
>>
>>for the blood is the life
>
>*Slurp*   *Aaaaah, norwegian '65, with just a shot of irish*

and whipped cream to top it off, no doubt.  

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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Julian Sands
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:10:04 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep15.030304.23049@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, 
shayden@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sean Lee Hayden) writes:

> I was a bit confused...Someone stated that Julian Sands had made a vampyre 
> movie but i was confused.  Now is this a movie coming out on the "Big Screen"
> or has it been released on video?

That was me.  It's a feature film, yet to be released.  The name is _The Tale
of the Vampire_.  (Or is _A Tale..._?)  anyway, it stars Sands as a vampire in
the present, sans fangs or tuxedo, or many of the other "Hollywood"
stereotypes.  It was made on a very small budget.  

I was hoping that someone with the recent "All vampire Fangoria" could supply 
more details.
 
> Oh and my 3.0134 cents worth---> Sting can't act and would Stin{g}K as Lestat.
Agreed.  But the point is moot.  He's too old.

> ---->Julian Sands would be PERFECT
Glad so many others feel this way. 

Greg Bole                                         "Well ya killed the hell 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                       outa that fellow today."
                                                Clint Eastwood in _Unforgiven
From: mtspace@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Lost One)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: WANTED: that mondo list of movies
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:37:08 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


Well, this is just grand...about 68 articles back, there was a list of movies
taken from an archive sight.  Well, it seems that as I was about to save it
for useful purposes, my news file was updated and the article became 
unavailable.  Could someone please give me the addres for that archive (if
guest ftp is available) or just send me a copy of the list.

				Thanks...
Matt. (having a wonderful day (NOT))
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: We need a list of Vamp[iy]re Movies
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-21539]: sparta
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:20:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.233139.22738@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>
>Yah, keep 'em coming.  Getting a good list.  I will post the final list after
>a couple weeks.
>
>--
>
Ok...
Here's a few I thought of that I haven't seen on here as of yet...

To Die For (I and II)
Salem's Lot
Love at First Bite

Meow...
Misti
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: New Anne Rice???
Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:10:18 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <Bu8qnH.3vA@andy.bgsu.edu> ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) writes:
>	I think that I read something the other day about a new Anne Rice
>novel featuring Lestat...  Anyone know any more about this??  Meanwhile, I'll
>try to dig up the article.


	It's called "Tale(s?) of the Body Thief".  The blurb I read mentions
that Lestat confronts something really nasty.  If there's a lot of interest,
I'll dig it up and post it.  It's due out this month.
	My guess is that it's going to be Lasher from "the Witching Hour."
Of course, that's just a guess.
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:37:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.050545.24107@cs.mcgill.ca> zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS) writes:
>	I recently finished reading the "Vampire chronicles" by Anne
>	Rice and was severly impressed! Does anyone have the name of
>	anyother good vampire series?
>
>

Although they haven't written a series yet, Mercedes Lackey and Barbara
Hambly have each written at least one rather good vampire-based novel.
Also, Fred Saberhagen has written about six books in a series involving 
his version of Dracula and friends.

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From: haro@carina.unm.edu (    KANEDA)
Subject: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 03:53:02 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: alt
Keywords: good or evil?

HOLA AMIGOS!

	I've got a question, are five star pentograms good or evil?
I'm totally zonked on the subject.  Ok, like in the move WORLOCK (is 
that spelled right), there was a pentogram on the door of his first prison, and
then that old dude painted one on his barn?  Does it keep away witches?
Also, in AN AMERICAN WEARWOLF IN LONDON, there was one in that bar. What was
with that.  

Now, why is it that Devil Dudes like in the First Power and those other
Saitain Worshoping guys use it as there symbol?

So is the five star pentogram a protection device, or a havock causing device?
And can it be used on Vampyers?

VERY CURIOUS
RICK
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:30:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does 
>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
>I'm writing a story that turns on this point. I seem to remember reading 
>somewhere that suicide under certain conditions can do it, but I need more
>details.
>
>Happy hunting!
>Webdancer


One that I've come across a few times is that the one to be turned drinks the
blood of the vampire, given as a gift from the vampire.  We saw that in _The
Lost Boys_, Jack Palance's PBS _Dracula_, and it can be found in a few books.

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From: bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash)
Subject: Re: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Keywords: good or evil?
Reply-To: bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1992 06:19:54 GMT

>So is the five star pentogram a protection device, or a havock causing device?
>And can it be used on Vampyers?
>
>VERY CURIOUS
>RICK

Oops! Forgot to answer this one. It's getting late:)

Pentagrams (good ones, see previous post) are a bane to
all satanic or mysticly evil creatures.
So I guess it depends on what type of vampire you are 
facing. Some myths make the vampire very anti-christian,
so they are only affected by a cross. Some vampires are
biologicaly based, and not affected by any symbols.

Hope this helped!

Brian /-|-\

P.S.  Of all the anti-vampire devices, the wooden stake 
      through the heart is the best.  Works on all of them.
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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:15:54 GMT

In <1992Sep8.023322.7774@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dand@Turing.ORG (Dan 'Bart' Duncan (KD4IGW)) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does 
>>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
>>I'm writing a story that turns on this point. I seem to remember reading 
>>somewhere that suicide under certain conditions can do it, but I need more
>>details.

>You can drink the blood of a vampire, but I've seen several different
>outcomes.  Some sources say this makes one a vampire, but Stephen
>King's _Salem's_Lot_ says it just marks you for other vampires as 
>"untouchable."

>-DanD

It depends on who you ask (ie, which tradition.)  In Stoker's
Dracula, Mina is bonded to Drac by drinking his blood. 
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From: shayden@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sean Lee Hayden)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Julian Sands
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:03:04 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

I was a bit confused...Someone stated that Julian Sands had made a vampyre movie
but i was confused.  Now is this a movie coming out on the "Big Screen" or has
it been released on video?

Oh and my 3.0134 cents worth---> Sting can't act and would Stin{g}K as Lestat.
---->Julian Sands would be PERFECT/
---->Maybe the actor that played the timekeeper in RUNESTONE as well
---->but he is a little to old and a bit to muscular i think.

Sean Hayden
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From: david@drax (David W. Vaules Jr)
Subject: Re: Crosses and Vampires
Followup-To: alt.vampyres
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC)
Distribution: alt.vampyres
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:45:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.112713@IASTATE.EDU> ramirez@IASTATE.EDU
	(Richard G Ramirez) writes:
>I remember the Roddie McDowell movie and the Star of David.
>A funny movie.
a
Actually, if I am not mistaken, you are thinking of "Love at First
Bite", with George Hamilton.  Richard Benjamine plays the psychatrist
boyfriend of Susan St. James, Dracula's love interest and mobile food
supply, Dr. Rosenberg (Van Helsing's descendant, of course :^) In one
scene, Rosenberg confronts Drac with a Star of David eliciting the 
response "why don't you find yourself a nice Jewish girl, Dr. Rosenberg?"
"Rats! that's not it, is it?". 

Roddy was the bumbling movie host in Fright Nights I & II, and also a lot
of fun.

In the same vein (why do I know I will pay for that one? :^)  there is an
old Russian (I think) movie where the Vampires are Jewish, and crucifixes
do not work on them (Come to think of it, it may be Polanski's "Fearless
Vampire Killers")

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Date: Sun,  6 Sep 1992 20:35:11 -0400 
From: Chiara Noelle Sposato <cs65+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Anne Rice

>   I was just wondering if there were any fans out there, that enjoyed th
> 
>vampire cronicals (thus far) as much as I did.  I would like to start a
>thread, or maybe even a group!  If anyone is interested please let me
>know.l

 yes! i love her work. i have read all the vampire books and love to
discuss the meanings of them in relation to society and such.
 
"The Witching Hour" was excelent (IMO) i really liked the look into the
orgaization of the talmaska (phonetic spelling--i forget how it is
really spelled). many people hated it, i guess it is a little drawn out
but she is creating an *entire* history of the family. i think if you
liked this aspect in "Queen of the Damned" you would probably like TWH.

i have read the books under the name of Rampling--"Exit to Eden" (which
was good) and "Belinda" (IMO-Boring).

the S&M books are very good if you like S&M but they are also facinating
in that they really let you understand why peple are into S&M--how they
feel, what excites them, etc.

chiara
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From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Subject: Re: Vampire Story...
Keywords: Brian Lumley, Vamphri
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:49:36 GMT

Don't forget "Deadspawn" No. 5.....

And there is a new one set in the "Vampire Universe"

L8R
Eric H

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From: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Reply-To: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:13:20 GMT

In the Count Saint Germain stories, people become
vampires by extensive contact with a vampire.
Extensive contact, as I remember, is defined
by sharing many nights together.  There is also
blood-sharing but that alone is not sufficient.
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Vampyres/Origins too
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:47:38 GMT

In article <D86-EMH.92Sep5005314@dront.nada.kth.se> d86-emh@dront.nada.kth.se (E Magnus Hulthen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.200742.4155@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>
>   Actually, one of the strongest possible vampire-origin theories has to do with
>   a physiological condition brought on by a porphyrin absence, or lack, in the
>   system.  I suggest looking this up in a medical text, primarily because I
>   don't want to get anything wrong.  But, briefly, some of the symptoms
>   demonstrated are:
>
>	   gums pulling away from the teeth,
>	   extreme skin sensitivity to light, particularly sunlight, in which it
>		   is not unknown to cause serious skin burn and damage,
>	   eye sensitivity to light, blindness not unknown,
>	   an inability to properly metabolize the proteins gained from red
>		   meat, leading to an abnormal hunger for same.
>
>
>Dont the symptoms include abnormal facial hair growth? Which thus may be
>a (possible) cause for the stories and legends of lycanthropy (Werevolves
>etc).
>					/Magnus Hulthen
>					d86-emh@nada.kth.se


I'm not sure about the hair growth.  However, I have come across some
interesting pathologies which result in entire family lineages having
unnatural facial hair amounts, both male and female.  Some of these families
were shunned, some even burned and/or stoned, by the superstitious and
easily spooked surrounding populous.
A couple years ago, an article appeared in, I believe, Life magazaine about
two young children in an otherwise normal family who were suffering the
effects of what I describe above.  It was very interesting. 


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From: zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS)
Subject: Actual accounts...
Summary: Hard facts...
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:13:08 GMT

Hi,

	Everyone has been talking about Vampires in a finctional manner
thus far... What about non-fictional accounts? People have mentioned the
disease that was thought to cause people to act like Vampires... There
was a discusion on our friend Vlad. From my understanding there is some
type of institute for Vampire research somewhere outhere (how credible
it is, is questionable) just as there is a research center for
werewolves.... Does anyone have an intresting remarks about these
centers... I belive I saw a refrence to one in Omni once... Does anyone
have any true life stories (they probably boarder on urban legands).

	Someone once told me that Anne Rice was a Satinist or a whitch... Can
anyone confirm or deny this? Is this a publicity stunt? Is there a link
between her religious beliefs and her writing?


zippy@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Nosferatu: The Vampyre?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:32:26 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Nosferatu, The Vampyre, directed by Werner Herzog. Starring Klaus Kinski, 
Isabelle Adjani, and Bruno Ganz..It is excellent. There is also an 
adaptation to novel form of the same title by Paul Monette, which is also 
wonderful. They follow Bram Stoker's novel to a point, but definately 
have their own strange life..I have seen the movie in Video stores, but I 
think they were bootleg copies. Also the poster art was beautiful..Make 
sure you see the subtitled version, the dubbed into english version is 
ruined!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Vampyres
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 11:11:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep7.110552.7684@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fantomas) writes:
>I have a firm conviction that vampyres do exist in the world today. I do not
>think that the very being of a Vampyre makes them evil, rather it is what
>they do that defines whether they are good or evil, and they really need to
>be interpreted by THEIR standards, not ours.

Their (and I presuming you're talking about vampires here :) standards of
what? Their standards of evil? It doesn't work that way- evil is not a
predefined standard that lasts throughout all time, but a flexible 'moral'
standard that changes with society. Look, for example, at the recent dis-
cussion around this group about the activities of our 14-15th century
ancestors- a lot of what they did, seen by 'todays' standards would be (is)
considered 'evil'. And, as well, what is 'right' and 'good' by todays
standards might very well be considered 'vile' and 'evil' in 100 years.

Part of the vampires 'appeal' is that vampires, throughout history, have
represented an anti-thesis to society and its values- the same sort of appeal
that figures like James Dean had, for example. This being 'outside' of
society, combined with the usual vampire sense of 'tragic' makes them a 
stongly romantic idea.

Whether vampires actually exist or not is a matter of conjecture. Either way,
judging them as being 'evil' or 'good' by their standards is silly, at best.
r.
From: jae@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Vampire movies, _I Vampire_ and E. Bathory
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:26:56 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

_The Fearless Vampire Killers, or Pardon Me, But Your Teeth Are In My Neck_
*is* available on video.  I purchased the *uncut* version at the local
SunCoast Video outlet.  I highly recommend the uncut version, as the movie
is almost hopelessly confusing (IMHO) once it's been hacked up.  It was
ridiculously cheap (under $20).

Another MUST SEE vampire film (again, in my opinion, but I've see hundreds
of 'em) is _Dance of the Damned_.  I'm away from my film references right
now and can't remember the director's name, but she also directed _Stripped
To Kill_.   _Dance of the Damned_ is an excellent character study, tracing
the interactions of the vampire and his intended victim throughout the 
night.  I can't recommend this too highly - I'd put in the top 5 vampire 
movies of all time.

Another excellent film IF you can get your hands on it is the BBC version
of _Dracula_, starring Louis Jourdan.  It's the closest I've seen to Stoker's
work of any film rendition.  Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available
for purchase - I'm still tracing leads.  I happened to tape it when it was
broadcast a number of years ago.

Additional non-film notes:

The author of _I Vampire_ is Michael Romkey, and I agree that it's an excellent
read.  Also available in paperback.

If you're new to vampire fiction, I urge you to read Stoker's _Dracula_ as
well as _Carmilla_ (L. Sheridan LeFanu - a short-story found in many
collections).  These two are probably the *most* significant influences on
the makers of vampire films.

Last (but not least)  - I agree with the evaluation of Elizabeth Bathory as
*much* more depraved than Vlad Tepes.  Vlad was a hero to his people for his
successful efforts against the Turkish invasions - even though to our eyes 
today he was most assuredly a serial killer of the worst sort.  Bathory, on
the other hand, killed for no reason other than to satisfy her own sadism.

I've done a lot of research on her, for I am...

E. Bathory (and a cast of thousands)
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From: staats@athena.mit.edu (Dick)
Subject: Re: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Keywords: good or evil?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:25:17 GMT

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but the pentacle (pentagram inscribed in a
circle) is supposed to be a protection or control (safety) used when summoning
"dark" powers.  You know kind of like the neutron absorbing rods in a nuclear
reactor.  So, it would: offer protection against such fiends, be useful to nasty
folks tapping into even nastier energies, act as a symbol for the nasties, etc.

	Does that help?

	Dick
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From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: I wantAlive vamps
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:04:17 GMT

Is there any knowldge/oand or ledge/ and/or rumoururs of a vavamps in todays still liveing? 
Maybe if we could find wone, we can gmake a GT (get together), drink thsiyphensiphen the bloodyphen the blood
out and make a become ones outrselfs!!!!!! 

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