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From: DEIS@ZODIAC.BITNET
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Subject: Re: another question
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:11:00 GMT
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Hi Rooters,

     Jim wondered how to find out which of the old German states a given
town is in.  This can be difficult even WITH a good historical atlas
(altho that will rather easily solve 90% of the cases if you know where
the town is on a map).  There is a short cut.  If there are microfilmed
records from the town, look on the Locality Fiches at the BEGINNING of
the Germany section, for example, "Germany, Aschaffenburg."  This has
cross references for every town in the FHLC which will send you to
exactly the right part of the microfilm index.

     As far as the correspondence between the IGI and the FHLC -- it's
true that all extracted IGI records will correspond to available
microfilms (this isn't necessarily true for submitted IGI records).  But
there are MANY church books which have not been extracted, and I think
this would be the large majority of German church books.  So most of the
church records available on microfilm are NOT yet in the IGI.

                      Frank

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From: lukoff@helen.bush.edu (Benjamin D. Lukoff)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re Roots posting (fwd)
Date: 3 Jan 1993 15:23:07 -0600
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 11:56:38 PST
From: Johan deBoer <jdboer@sol.UVic.CA>
To: lukoff@helen.bush.edu
Subject: Re Roots posting

With regards to your LUKOFF posting on roots:
Leuven is in Belgium, not the Netherlands.

Greetings,

Johan.
*******
And so it is! Well, scratch the Leuven, Rotterdam or Amsterdam
request...perhaps I should change that to Leuven, Brussels or Antwerp. I
should have figured it out when I saw the French in the title of the
university.
(This is regarding my search for one F.L. Lukoff who had a book published
at the University of Louvain)

Ben Lukoff

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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:44:06 -0800
Reply-To:     Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
From:         Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Copying CD's, etc.
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One quick note on the idea of reproducing CD's and library sharing.  As
Gary Warner indicated we are "treading lightly" on these issues.  The main
reason being the uncertainty of the interpretations of the copyright law.
When an interlibrary loan request comes into a library from a patron, if
the item is less than 5 years old and we (the library) request an
interlibary loan on it more than 5 times in 1 year, we are in violation of
the copyright law.  If it is a magazine, the library at the point of the
6th interlibrary loan, must (by law) subscribe to that magazine.  Information
on CD's, video, audio, etc. are even more stringent.  There is an
Association now which will pay any employee a reward of $2,000 for turning
in his/her company for photocoping "newsletters" and distributing to company
employees.  There are currently about 6 court cases pending at the moment
testing the copyright law and its interpretations.  Until decisions come
down on these, libraries are once again caught in the middle.

Frieda
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:16:59 -0600
Reply-To:     CHINN@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
From:         CHINN@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Melungeons and Sneedville, TN

Dear Rooters,

I have a couple articles on the Melungeons typed in the computer.
The scene takes place mostly in the Sneedville, Hancock County,
Tennessee area.  They are maybe too long to send to the list
(over five printed pages each), and not everyone on the list
would want them, so I will send them (e-mail) to those who
would like to have them.  Please reply to me if you are interested.

Steve Chinn (CHINN@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU)
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Royalty GEDCOM, & the Rump-Pennell debate
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:00:32 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <0096610B.BF0E0520.13971@esseX.stfx.ca> holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA writes:
>Over the past few days something of a little polemic has developed
>on the uses of Royal pedigrees in messages(articles?) by F Rump &
>C R Pennell (I'm afraid I don't have an easy way to edit other people's
>messages into mine.  Hopefully you can figure out what I'm referring to.)
>Anyway, since it all started w/a query from me, perhaps I should comment.

First, thanks, Steve for a great essay with lots of fine points!

BUT
>Parish records don't make it.

.... well... Parish records, some already conveniently available
through the the LDS, sometimes do make it....

I found a whole group of my Scots ancestors in the Parish logs of
a tiny Parish outside of Aberdeen... but I did have some clue that they
were there...

I put this away for future use by cut and paste off the net some time
ago... Has anyone used this individual?


"As a specialist in early American colonial families
and their origins, I have built up, over the course of
more than 35 years as a professional genealogist, a
very large card index. . . Into this card index I have
entered the name of every individual I have encountered
in all the wills, legal proceedings and other
unpublished documents I have needed to consult on
behalf of clients. . . my index covers the period from
1550 to about 1700 and is made up of several hundred
thousand names. . . In addition to my personal name
index I have been able to assemble from both manuscript
and published sources an index of more than 500 ships
covering the period 1600 to 1685.

Although of primary interest to those seeking to find
the English origin of their emigrant ancestors, my
index is of equal value to those in search of purely
English, non-emigrant ancestry. Because most emigrants
to early Virginia and New England came from the south
east of England there is a bias in the index towards
families in these counties but in fact nearly every
Emglish county is covered.

To consult the Currier-Briggs Index, all you have to do
is send the surname or surnames of the families or
individuals in which you are interested, together with
a cheque for (pounds)2.50 and a self-addressed envelope
to: Noel Currier-Briggs, 3 High St., Sutton-in-the
Isle, Ely, Cambs, CB6 2RB. You will then be sent an
estimate of the cost of supplying you with photocopies
of the documents in which the name or names appear."

Please note: I have not myself made use of this
service, and cannot vouch for it, though I have no
reason to disbelieve any of the above statements.

Tom
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:27:35 PST
Reply-To:     "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 28-Dec-1992 1421" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
From:         "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 28-Dec-1992 1421" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Wamble Query
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hello fellow rooters,

  I'm at a road block again. Does anyone have any information on the
  surname WAMBLE from Early County, Georgia? The only information I
  have is John WAMBLE was the father of William Adeline Wamble born
  in Early County, Georgia on April 12th, 1863. She married my
  paternal greatgrandfather William Andrew Jackson Holland on June
  4th, 1882 in Early County, Georgia. She died in July 1926. They
  lived in Early County, Georgia and Henry County, Alabama.

  If anyone has any information on the surname WAMBLE in southern
  Georgia and Alabama please contact me. Also what country of origin
  is the surname WAMBLE?

  Many Thanks

  Mike

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Holland
Digital Equipment Corp.
305 Rockrimmon Blvd.
Colorado Springs, Colorado
(719)592-5964
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For myself I'm researching the following surnames:

HOLLAND, CHAPMAN, JACOBS, WAMBLE, HESTER, BAKER, GRIMMER, TRAWICK, SHOUTER,
STRINGER, MONTGOMERY USA/AL/FL/GA/SC/VA early 1700s until Present

SMITH, SCOTT, PRITCHARD, KITTLE, DENNISON, SKIDMORE, SHELTON, DALTON, THARP
OR THORP, GARVIN, MOODY OR MODE, JOHNSON, STALNAKER, CRAWFORD, SKINNER, DAVIS,
HENKLE USA/WV/VA/PA/NJ/IRELAND/SCOTLAND/WALES/GERMANY early 1700s until Present

For my wife I'm researching the following surnames:

GROVER, TORRY, MOORE, ADAIR, HENDERSON, SAYELS, MCMURRAY, GANER, WOOD,
LEWIS, MCALISTER, MCSWEENEY
SCOTLAND/IRELAND/USA/VT/MA early 1700s to present
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Subject:      Re: HENKLE
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Hi Rooters

     Jean-Paul's creativity in searching for HENKEL as well as HENKLE
reminds me that another "Pennsylvania Dutch" spelling variant is HINKLE,
and that the word means "little hen" or "little chicken."  The -el
ending is a diminutive in Southern Germany, and the word in Hochdeutsch
is Huehnchen.

                 Frank

                 DEIS@ZODIAC.BITNET
From: mfc@medoc.aux.apple.com (Matt Caprile)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Using MELVYN
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:17:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: A/UX Group, Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Dec23.081838.15428@koko.csustan.edu> (Jeremy Shuman) writes:
>Can someone tell me how to use MELVYN?
It's MELVYL, not MELVYN. And in order to use it, you must be able to
use the telnet, and be connected to the InterNet. Try typing :
   telnet melvyl.ucop.edu

It will then ask you for your terminal type. Type "help" to get a list
of terminal types it knows about. You can always type "other" (which is
what I generally do anyway). At the "Press RETURN for the MELVYL System"
prompt, type "start cat". There is VERY good online help.  (which is
most useful if you can "capture" text. You can then print it out later,
as a reference guide.)

When you are done, type "logoff". (you may have to do this twice.)

--

  --- Matthew Caprile    || Hey, I only speak for myself ! Even I  ---
  ---                    || won't admit to the opinions expressed  ---
  --- caprile@apple.com  || here, so don't expect my employer to.  ---
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:32:32 EST
Reply-To:     George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
From:         George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Parents, Spouses, children

Someone (Fred and Carol?) recently described genealogy as basically just
fun. Let's not forget those who consider genealogy part of their religion.

Color me dumb, but what is the software which Tom produces?

We should continue to identify our needs for genealogical software.
It's important feedback to software developers.

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Cousin George Waller, UConn, HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET   --> Happy Hunting!
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From: prine@ilex.lle.rochester.edu (Ron Prine)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Need help with rubbings and relation chart.
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:21:25 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

Hi there;

1)  Last week I went to my a cemetery that had alot of family in and
found a few stones that I would like to do rubbings of.  I have never
done a rubbing and I remembered that there was a recommendation of
using some type of sewing product to do the rubbings a few months back
on the news.  What was this product (All I can think of was wonder
under or some type of self adhering basting paper) and if possible
could I get the original posting on how to do this.  The stone I want
to do a rubbing of has 4 lines of text that has been buried.  The text
is in great shape, but is hard to read and I figured a rubbing would
help alot.  This was my first cemetery walk and I brought my video
cam, but no tools/paper, warm coat/gloves, friend (just in case of
accident in those back hills) :)

2)  I am also interested in a chart that that was on the net that
showed family relations.  Was used by cross matching 2 people by a
common relative.  This would make telling other relatives about some
of the info I have found alot clearer.

Thanks for the help.

--
Ron Prine			prine@lle.rochester.edu
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:58:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Brian Madsen <bmadsen@VORTECH.COM>
From:         Brian Madsen <bmadsen@VORTECH.COM>
Subject:      England Q: recording shire names
Comments: To: Roots Genealogy Mailing List <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

This is a question borne of profound ignorance.  Please pardon
what I'm sure is a stupid question, but I want to get it settled
in my own mind once and for all.

Two Rivers, Wisconsin, is in Manitowoc County.  When I'm recording
this place name, I write, "Two Rivers, Manitowoc, Wisconsin",
because writing "Two Rivers, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin" would be
redundant.  Of course, I've seen them recorded both ways.

Well, I've also seen English place names recorded in several ways.
I've seen "Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England" and I've seen "Lincoln,
Lincoln, England."

Is the name "Lincolnshire" analogous to "Manitowoc County"; in other
words, is the "-shire" suffix expendable?  When I record place names,
should I:

     a) use "Lincoln, Lincoln, England", because the "-shire" suffix
        is assumed, as it is for "Manitowoc County" in my earlier
        example?

     b) use "Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England" because the place name
        is really "Lincolnshire", and the folks who recorded it as
        "Lincoln" are simply wrong?

And on a related note, the English locality divisions -- Lincoln-
shire, Herefordshire, and so on -- what are they called?  Counties?
Shires?

Thanks in advance.

--

Brian C. Madsen

bmadsen@vortech.com
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Spouses, children, & software
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:54:54 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Dec22.193008.10648@compu.com> 
 fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) disagrees:

>>There are several reasons people choose to do genealogy.  One reason
>>is to trace inheritance.  In this case adoption is very important,
>>since most adopted children are legal heirs to their adopted parents.
>
>Wrong. Inheritance has nothing to do with genealogy. A will does. In 
>any case  that is a one generational thing and would be limited to the 
>tiniest percentage of all genealogical research.

Really, Fred?

When a reclusive billionaire named Howard Hughes died intestate
(without a will) a few years ago, distant relatives began crawling out
of the woodwork.  In at least one of the three states where Hughes
lived, third cousins were considered close enough kin to be legal
heirs.  The estate _still_ has not been divided, as the relatives and
their lawyers squabble over who has a claim, and to how much.

Perhaps the situation is different in Germany, but in a good many states
of the US, inheritance law _does_ depend on genealogy, and adoptions are
certainly included in those legal relationships.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:19:13 EST
Reply-To:     Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
From:         Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help with gravestone rubbing
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

prine@ilex.lle.rochester.edu (Ron Prine) asks:

Re: Need help with rubbings and relation chart.


>1)  Last week I went to my a cemetery that had alot of family in and
>found a few stones that I would like to do rubbings of.  I have never
>done a rubbing and I remembered that there was a recommendation of
>using some type of sewing product to do the rubbings a few months back
>on the news.  What was this product (All I can think of was wonder
>under or some type of self adhering basting paper) and if possible
>could I get the original posting on how to do this.  The stone I want
>to do a rubbing of has 4 lines of text that has been buried.  The text
>is in great shape, but is hard to read and I figured a rubbing would
>help alot.  This was my first cemetery walk and I brought my video
>cam, but no tools/paper, warm coat/gloves, friend (just in case of
>accident in those back hills) :)

As a sewing-type person, I would recommend any kind of NON-WOVEN, and
NON-KNIT interfacing material, especially the NON-IRON-ON type in a light
weight.  The iron-on type has a heat activated glue on one side which makes
it quite stiff and somewhat bumpy.  If I remember right, Wonder-Under is a
very light (good), iron-on (not-so-good) version of non-woven interfacing.

Have fun!

--Jill

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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:08:54 PST
Reply-To:     "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 30-Dec-1992 1303" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
From:         "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 30-Dec-1992 1303" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Book Review
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

 Has anyone on the root list purchased a new book titled "Generations"?

 If so, what is the cost and could you give a brief overview of the
 book?

 Thanks

 Mike

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Mike Holland
Digital Equipment Corp.
305 Rockrimmon Blvd.
Colorado Springs, Colorado
(719)592-5964
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HOLLAND, CHAPMAN, JACOBS, WOMBLE, HESTER, BAKER, GRIMMER, TRAWICK, SHOUTER,
STRINGER, MONTGOMERY USA/AL/FL/GA/SC/VA early 1700s until Present

SMITH, SCOTT, PRITCHARD, KITTLE, DENNISON, SKIDMORE, SHELTON, DALTON, THARP
OR THORP, GARVIN, MOODY, JOHNSON, STALNAKER, CRAWFORD, SKINNER, DAVIS, HENKLE
USA/WV/VA/PA/NJ/IRELAND/SCOTLAND/WALES/GERMANY early 1700s until Present

GROVER, TORRY, MOORE, ADAIR, HENDERSON, SAYELS, MCMURRAY, GANER, WOOD,
LEWIS, MCALISTER, MCSWEENEY
SCOTLAND/IRELAND/USA/VT/MA early 1700s to present
From: jcitro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Re: RAF Lakenheath
Date: 1 Jan 93 20:57:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

The Best thing to do is to go to Family Services at their current base
and check out the pamphlet on RAF Lakenheath.  That will give them a lot of
information.  And no, the TV won't work.  They use a whole different system
of TV broadcast in Europe.  They will enjoy themselves over there though.

-- 
                             Joe Citro  - CMSgt(Ret)/USAF              
       Newsletter Editor - Metro Apple Comp.Hobbyist  (MACH)  - Omaha NE                                   Members of "The Dead Computer Society"
 Internet - jcitro@cwis.unomaha.edu  --==[++]==--  America Online = JAX33
From: oshea@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.o'shea)
Subject: Phony Hope
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:33:39 GMT
Keywords: A nice Christmas Present


Well here we go again, the President commits US ground forces to
Yugoslavia.  Why?  Is that place essential to our national
security?  Did the pressure of the election campaign and the shock of
defeat go to the President's head.  Is he still of sound mind?
Are we still of sound mind?

It looks like the President will be giving the nation more veterans
this year.

Season's Greetings and Happy New Year

DMO
USAF
1966-70



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From: sjhawk2@pbhyf.PacBell.COM (Stephen J. Hawkins)
Subject: RAF Lakenheath
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:53:33 GMT
Keywords: Lakenheath

My daughter and her husband are being stationed at RAF Lakenheath.
Does anyone out there have any info about this base? Does anyone
out there have any info about being stationed in the UK in general.
Such as your TV won't work, or you should or should not do this or
that.  Any info will be helpful.  Thanks in advance.  Steve Hawkins
From: Lee.Sanders@inns.omahug.org (Lee Sanders)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: RAF LAKENHEATH
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:20:02 CST
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Organization: Inns of Court, Papillion, NE
Followup-To: soc.veterans

Hi, I wasn't stationed at the HEATH but I was stationed at RAF UPPER
HEYFORD from 1986-1990.  As far the electrical appliances goes the BRITS
have 220 so a transformer will be required.  Finding one shouldn't be a
problem either.  Just have your son or daughters sponsor help them find
one, they are usually in adundance and reasonably priced.  Some of the
more cultural differences will be the various taxes the BRITS pay.  Such
as Road TAX, MOT, TV TAX and if they live off base being billed quarterly
for such things as telephone and utility bills.  By all means get out and
see the country.  There's alot of history to see Buckingham Palace,
Windsor Castle, sight seeing tours of London, castles (my favorite),
catch a ferry ride to FRANCE.
HAVE FUN !!!