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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:39:44 GMT

In article <BswH86.In@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:
>>In article <BsvJKz.DAD@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:
>>>> [a bunch of amazingly (for c.s.a.a) sober dicussion deleted]
>>> [etc]
>>And for every government 'waste' spawned by conservatives, I see
>>ten brought about by liberals.  Big Government is a key theme to
>>US liberalism.
>
>Seems to me that Big Government is the key theme to US "Anything-other-
>than-Libertarian"-ism to me...

Comparitively, don't you think that conservatism is much more
libertarian than liberalism?  Wasn't Reagan the most libertarian
president we've had in a long long time?

>>In addition, I think a lot of the move to in fact produce the B-2
>>bomber is to actualy see something come from the R&D invested in the project.
>
>This is throwing good money after bad.  This sort of rationale is IMHO 
>dubious at best.

Perhaps so.

>>All that R&D is/was useful I'd imagine in other areas of Defense.  
>
>I would suspect not.  The DoD is notorious for duplication of effort.

I must point out that the Congress has much more control over
what the DoD gets than the DoD itself.  Like the Osprey - the pork
barrel Congress won't let it die; the DoD DOESN'T WANT the Osprey - 
it wants the funds better spent.  The Congress, however, shoves it down
their throat anyway.

>>And yes, now that there isn't a Soviet Union to threaten us anymore (hail
>                                                                      ^^^^
>>Reagan!), the B-2 surely is much less needed.  In fact, it would probably
> ^^^^^^^
>   * SIGH *
>
>I was never convinced it was needed in the first place.  But then again,
>again, since Reagan was reportedly surprised to learn that ICBMs could
>not be recalled, perhaps some DoD people felt compelled to argue for
>a survivable, recallable deterrent which could be used in the
>context of "limited" nuclear war.

What does that have to do with Reagan being the key to the end of the Cold War? 
I wasn't speaking about Reagan or his weapons knowledge, but a 
more strategic approach.

>That the B-2 was and likely still is incapable of fulfilling this
>role is manifest.

Sure it could.  The role a nuclear bomber plays is for hitting target after
the initial ICBM/sub waves, after which point the ONLY radar capable of
detecting the B-2 would be presumably destroyed.

>>be better spent on B-1s.  
>>>
>>>Insert standard disclaimer here...
>>Like: 'The opinions I express are not neccesarily those of my employer?'
>
>Yes, exactly...
>
>Dave
>
>  The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer...
   ...but they oughtta be??  :)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:41:05 GMT

lawsons@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Shannon Lawson) writes:

>Julius Caesar, and I believe it was saide by a soothsayer predicting Caesar's 
>death.  I make no claims as to the accuracy here...

  From Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, Act I, Scene 2

 17  <CAESAR> {verse} Who is it in the press that calls on me?
 18  I hear a tongue shriller than all the music
 19  Cry ``Caesar!" Speak. Caesar is turned to hear. </CAESAR> 
 20B <SOOTHSAYER> Beware the ides of March. </SOOTHSAYER> <CAESAR> What ma
n is that? </CAESAR> 
 21  <BRUTUS> A soothsayer bids you beware the ides of March. </BRUTUS> 
 22  <CAESAR> Set him before me; let me see his face. </CAESAR> 
 23  <CASSIUS> Fellow, come from the throng; look upon Caesar. </CASSIUS> 
{dsd} <italics> The  +
 23  Soothsayer comes forward </italics> 
 24  <CAESAR> {verse} What sayst thou to me now? Speak once again. </CAESA
R> 
 25A <SOOTHSAYER> Beware the ides of March. </SOOTHSAYER> 
 26  <CAESAR> He is a dreamer. Let us leave him. Pass! </CAESAR> {esd} <it
alics> Sennet.      +
 26  Exeunt all but Brutus and Cassius </italics> 

  Your Shakespeare lesson for the day, courtesy of the online
text searcher...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: monty@sagpd1 ()
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Reply-To: monty@sagpd1.UUCP (Monty Saine)
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Government Products Div, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:48:32 GMT

In article <Bt9q4E.BwM@CAM.ORG> pepin@CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin) writes:

>group and the priority for me is to protect the consumer this is why the
>information from an impartial MB is most credible than a Salesmam full of
>secrets (ie: Pink Floyd).


Seeing MB and credible in the same sentence is the most nauseous thing I
have heard in 6 years on this net!

>
>
>Again you cannot prove the thruth by your position you are not credible, let
>the impartial people judging. 
>

...and MB is????????

Boy does he have you fooled.

Monty Saine
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:20:23 GMT

>
>I paid $2250 for my first A1000.  You are telling me that the monitor,
>256K and disk drive cost $1K?
>

	Only a few years back I bought my half meg for the A500
for $300 So it was very probable.

	George
From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:25:17 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317


 R> In article <1992Aug8.234743.6187@newshost.unh.edu>ggg@kepler.unh.edu
 R> (Gregory G Greene) writes:

> Most Amiga users are totally ignorant of IBM's OS2 2.0.

I'm certainly not ignorant of it.  I messed with it on both a 386 and 486
platform.  I own an A2000 w/ 68030 28mhz accelerator.

After messing with OS/2, coming back to the Amiga was like going back home
to a sweet, wonderful, efficient, and cozy wife. :)

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:45:58 GMT

In article <crystal.714173267@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>In <1992Aug18.143043.1@woods.ulowell.edu> edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>
>>Greeting fellow Amiga Advocates,
>
>>I have been delaying posting my thoughts about the state of the
>>Amiga in the U.S. because I have been trying to remain optimistic
>>and not cave in to the mounting pressure from those people who do
>>not own Amigas; but I feel now is the time to speak.
>
>
>>The is no wp (That I am aware of.) that will allow students to put
>> mathematical text or equations
>
>Gee...I never needed to be able to do that when I was using my Apple ][+
>while in school.  So, someone might need to hand write a symbol or two, 
>big  deal.  As long as the equation is correct in the homework, does it
>really matter how it got put on the paper???

This doesn't make sense. There is no reason at all why the Amiga should not
have a proper equation editor. AmigaTeX is great, but as the orginal
message indicated, TeX is hardly for everyone. And please note Dave Haynie,
that a very good equation editor exists on my GS ( which people here seem 
to love to denigrate without knowing the least bit about it).
 
The Amiga has to get its act together in a few areas. It's not that it 
would take much. WP, Lotus, etc...are not the things that are needed. What
woud be nice is quality software written by people who love the Amiga, sw
to fill in the few missing parts. Ata the risk of belaboring the point, this
is why the GS has lasted so long. It has top rate programmers who take it
as a challenge to provide the platform with excellent apps, despite what
Haynie et al may think.

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:04:24 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
: >Do you realize that if someone accuses you of something you didn't do, you
: >have about a 1% chance of beating it (in Japan)?  
: 
: So many propositions, so little....
: Granted, this IS .advocacy, buy could be have _some_ base for this statistic?

I do believe he's taking the numbers from a special report on
NightLine, if I remember correctly.

: DO you want to prevent crime or NOT?  Don't pussyfoot around with criminals-
: they'll never learn.  If the US had a 95% conviction rate and a prison
: system that treated people like dogs, the crime rate would PLUMMET.  By
: the way - tha is a GOOD thing.  If there was a mandatory death sentence

It is a BAD, BAD thing.  The US is the symbol for freedom and human
rights in the world.  Or at least it seems to be.  Human rights don't
stop at prison walls -- Treat everyone well.  Everyone.  Even the
criminals deserve their basic human rights...  We hold these truths to
be self-evident, that all men are created equal.

And a 95% conviction rate doesn't mean that those people were all
actually guilty.  The current system is there to make as sure as
possible as the innocent ones DON'T go to jail.  If that means not
getting all the guilty ones in, that's fine by me.  Just as long as
there are as few as possible innocent people being convicted.

: for planned murder (execution within a week of failed first appeal), the

Sure, murder the murderers.  Aren't we beyond that "eye for an eye"
crap of the 17th century yet?

: murder rate would plummet.  Good grief, that is what I mean if I ask 'what do
: you propose?' - I mean that you complain about crime, but holler when people
: like me calmly point out just _what_ measures would need to be taken.

Those aren't measures, they're next-to-criminal acts.  You're talking
about taking away a select group's individual human rights, and
murder.  I hope that if anyone proposed changes like these they'd get
shot to hell.  And as to the death sentence, I hope it's totally
abolished.  Murder is wrong, whether done by the government, the
prisons, or any other system or person.

Greg

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:55:04 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <l8j32qINNqqd@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
>In <1992Aug12.193043.14072@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>Here we go again.  DIG.  Resource tracking.  A graphics system that supports
>>splines, paths, non-rectangular clipping, 2-D transformations, Adobe scalable
>>fonts, etc.
>
>This sounds like PostScript.
>
>>Multithreading.  Named pipes.  Queues.
>
>Wasn't the request for features that weren't in AmigaDOS?
>
>>Binary compatibility with DOS and Windows executables.
>
>Some might consider this to be a disadvantage. :-)
>
>>Want more?
>
>Yeah.  How about a standard script language that developers could rely on
>being on all machines with OS/2?  The existing command line interface seems
>to be mostly a rehash of MS-DOS's.

That's simple.  OS/2 comes with REXX.
						
>Curiously, IBM recently put some IBM PS/2s in a lab here, but they did not
>include the new versions of the operating systems.  Go figure.


They were probably old machines.

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From: petter@pnilsen.UUCP (Petter Nilsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:33:12 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmnor!pnilsen!petter@cbmvax.commodore.com
Organization: Ultima Thule Software
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug19.034540.4880@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

> It should never be LEGAL to take someone's life.  Not even a
> murderer's.  That's what it is.  It's the taking of someone's life to
> punish someone for being convicted of murder.  Convicted of does not
> equal is guilty of.  It should be, but it doesn't HAVE to be.

I fully agree with you in this, Greg. In Norway there's no death-sentence for 
murder, even though someone might want it. Now we come to the interesting point:
What is a person turns out to be innocent and he has allready been hanged ?
Reminds me of some folks in the US who went through all the cases of 
death-sentence in USA and found out that more than 400 of these cases there
were reasonable doubt and the suspect (now dead) shouldn't have been sentenced.
And then me have the moral issues which you have allready described..


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Cheer Up
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:36:16 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Aug12.235419.14846@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.201941.848@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu
>(Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>>...and SimEarth isn't even available for the Amiga as far as I know.
>
>Bzzt. It is available, and having had the opportunity to compare the Amiga
>version to the PC edition, I would say that it is graphically superior and
>more fully integrates itself with the native OS. Boredom is a state of
>mind.

Curiously, do you know how it compared to SimEarth for Windows?

>Mark
>
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*betrayed, only mistaken.' It was a saying of her people.... Cally is
*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: amiga rules!
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:40:44 GMT

In article <409@cbmnl.nl.so.commodore.com> heuvdp@cbmnl.nl.so.commodore.com (Paul Heu vd Netherlands) writes:
>gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
>>
>> Also,are you sure that the 6502 was never in the C64??  Maybe in older models
>> or something?
>
>Yes, early C64's used the 6510, later and current models use
>the 8500
>-- 
The precursor to the C64, the Vic-20 used the 6502 processor.
>   \X/         E-mail : heuvdp@cbmnl.nl.so.commodore.com                  


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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM486 vs Amiga040
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:57:13 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Aug12.223323.12189@nmsu.edu> dleland@nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>I was interested in the post asking about speed comparisons. I would ask;
>according to what standard is one faster than the other? If you had both
>machines running at 25mhz, then which would be faster? In terms of
>MIPS, Megaflops, Dhrystones, etc.? 
>Darrell Leland                              //
>dleland@nmsu.edu                 ()=========>>=========================--
>                                            \\ Queen of Swords
>"There is no absolute truth, and that is absolutely true..."  

The 040-25 of course, but the i486-25 would have better Integer Performance.
MIPS on the 040-25 is about 15-18, and MFLOPS 1.6-2.2, the Intel 486 would
be from 11-12 on MIPS, and MFLOPS of .8 - 1.0 (486-25DX without Weitek 4167-25).
But really at that speed, I would think Math would be the most important, since
Wordprocessing does not need a machine faster than a 030.  I think.
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:50:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Aug19.215022.16327
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Curiously, I assume there are FORTRAN compilers for the Amiga?
Could someone elaborate?  Thanks-
--
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"Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership, or merely that *you* have a 
 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7                           
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Microsoft Support
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:40:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.232216.12221@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.001612.16988@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com
>(Ian Kennedy) writes:
>
>>A while ago (greater than a year) there was a rumor in the mill
>>here at MS that we had contracted out to a bunch of Euro
>>developers to do Works for the Amiga. I confirmed this with
>>an E-Mail to BillG. Then we heard that the deal had fallen through,
>>no details. The European folks had wanted USD 200,000 for the port,
>>according to the rumor mill.
>
><Sigh!> Like it or not, the availability of such a package would have
>significantly contributed to the perceived professionalism of the
>platform. Heck, $200K should be a drop in the bucket for Bill :).
>

	I don't know about anybody else, but I consider Amax a viable 
alternative if anybody needs MS software. I have heard people that are very 
happy with the way it performs. I will soon atempt to get Word 5.0 working.
no matter what MS will do, CBM will not push them hard enough to keep up
the support. And I don't realy care. The other day I went to the Apple store on campus for some techincal help. The lady there took me in and spent at least half an hour of her busy time working out my problem. I was asking her about 
some trouble I was having with uncompressing system disks from ftp. (No that I told her I have Amax) . This kind of service is paid by mac users. They wanta 
mac disk drive, that would come at half a Hard drive price at least. ie. way 
above $300, this complaint from a certified developer were they shold get it 
cheaper !!!
	I have blown away my Mac friend whith what my A3000 can do along the
side of running mac software. Oh and a point, why dows the Amiga boot mac
soooo much faster than a "real" mac ??? Why are it's screen motion 
So much faster. I compressed on a 68030 mac and had to wait for hours
until  it finnished. On the amiga it's so much faster !!
	George

>Mark
>
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:28:24 GMT
 <tony.714185930@ais.org> <1992Aug19.051511.21091@news.iastate.edu>
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Aug19.051511.21091@news.iastate.edu> by barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett):

>    If all that Commodore can manage to develop after more than two years is
> a standalone player, AmigaVision might as well be dead.

    Geez, look at the crap in just two lines, eh?

> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:22138 comp.sys.amiga.misc:12940
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy

In comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>  	Here we go with another famous advocacy roomer:  I was talking to
>  	the salesman at the local Software Etc.  He happened to even know
>  	what an Amiga was and yes, he even new about the A600.  He said
>  	that Software Etc. was planning on selling them.  I think he said
>  	he was told at company meeting.  I think he also said they were
>  	waiting for the 'official' release from Commodore.


Don't be to quick to put your faith in a Software Etc. salesman either!

I talked to our local Software Etc. salesman yesterday and he knew about 
the Amiga and the A600 as well. However he stated that the A600 would not 
be sold in the U.S. and that the A500+ would be sold here. 

I guess we will all once again have to be patient and wait for the 
official word!

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From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Why are there no DR2D docs?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:42:07 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

I posted a message two days ago asking for information on the IFF
DR2D specification.  DR2D is the 2-d structured art specification
that many programs are now adopting.  I have a utility I want to
write but I have no information on creating or parsing DR2D forms!

But what surprised me is that I didn't get a single response.  Not
even one person even bothered to reply that they were looking for
information as well.

This has to be the reason why we don't see a lot of killer apps for
the Amiga.  There is no help for new programmers.  Thanks for
nothing.

Stratocaster
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