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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:17:09 EST
From:         Marty Chester <ST102394@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: President-elect Clinton fails the ALLMUSIC

>From:         Kimberly Wasilewski <ST92CPO6@DUVM.BITNET>
>
>Even if President-elect Clinton likes differen't music, which is really that
>bad.  I mean did amyone ever ask Pres. Bush what he listens to...talk about yuk
>I mean, after you get by Michael Bolton's hair, he is a very good singer.  I
>think.  What do you think a 40 or so man would listen to....Bobby Brown or
>Extreme?  Get with it. I don't think he choices were that bad.

I am sorry Kim, Michael Bolton is a pansy who sings dumb syrupy songs for
old people and junior high girls.  Bye the way, Bobby Brown sucks too, and
so does his Costner-co-starring wife.

Flamingly,          Marty C
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:13:40 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Album Covers

>On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:10:00 CST Leonard asked:
>>
>>What is the strangest/wildest album cover you've seen.
>>
The original cover of one of the Beatles albums - I believe it was
_Yesterday and Today_ - which got pulled from the racks the day after
release. It pictured the Fab Four seated in a white room with a large
number of "blood-spattered" baby-dolls (the hard plastic kind) with
assorted body parts ripped off all around them. There were some on their
laps and at their feet. It looked very real and people were fainting in the
stores so they pulled the printing and re-released it with a duller cover.
This cover is now worth a bloody fortune :-)...

>>What is your favorite album cover.
>>
That's a tough one. I've always liked _Dark Side of The Moon_...I generally
don't think uch about album art...sorry! Educate me folks....

>> Strangest band name

Funny you should mention Free Roast Beef, LW...I knew a highschool band
called Free Beer. There was also a band at my college called
Skankenstein...


>>NMC: Did you have to memorize the Gettysburg Address, children still have
>>to do it....What's the purpose of doing this, did it help you later in
>>life.......L.W.
>
No I didn't have to. I had to memorize the Preamble from the COnstitution
adn assorted Shakespeare passages. This was supposed to teach us to
overcome fear of speaking in public and help our oratorical skills....

Gotta go - my first Law School final is at 2 pm!!!!

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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From: s0454850@let.rug.nl (J.P. Prenger)
Subject: Re: Xmas favorites, Thumper's Xmas cheer
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:28:06 GMT


Well.... my Xmas favorites? I don't know, but my favorite Xmas would be two 
days of being absolutely pissed. I mean, I just hate that lousy music, lousy 
people (wishing you 'Best wishes', but in fact want to see you die - very 
slowly), and the lousy food. That only leaves one thing: drink until you 
drop. 

See ya next year.

(Well, there is some music I like to listen too, especially in those 
horrible days. For example: Motorhead's 'Bomber', No Means No, 'Lonely' (see 
what this Xmas brings me to...)

Jan Peter Prenger           : 'The rich are getting richer and the poor
University of Groningen     :  are getting drunk.' - Paul Westerberg
The Netherlands             :
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From: OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET (OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT...)
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Subject: Thank you, Bob
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:26:00 GMT
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Hi all,
        I would really like to publicly thank Bob Crispen for sending a real
review of "The Chessboard". What I most admire in his essay is that he really
stands on a critical position and defends his point - which is *far* more im-
portant to me than the usual "like it" or "don't like it" statement.
        As for the contents of the review, Bob, I agree with you on almost
everything (read: "I know my son!"), but I think this would not be a very
interesting topic for the whole list, so expect some personal e-mail from
me soon.
        Professionally... thanks a lot, really.

        Ciao, Marco

P.S.: I'm back after 2 days of sleeping mailers. More news from me soon.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:49:26 EST
From:         Michael <EVK102@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Call waiting (sorry)

Sorry to continue complaining about this but:

I tried that *70 deal everyone wrote me about and it didn't seem to work.
I called the telephone company and asked about it and they gave me the
same number.  I told them I allready tried it and she asked for my telephone
number.  I gave it to her and she told me that my town is the only town in
the state (Rhode Island, not THAT big) that didn't have it.  I am pissed.
Does anyone think I have a case with the FCC?
- Michael
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:41:49 PST
From:         Jim Grubb <JIMG@UCSFHC.BITNET>
Subject:      Childhood memories

I have enjoyed the childhood stories so I will throw mine in. Actually there
have been 2 reactions to most of them: one is "Yeah I remember that too."
and the other reaction particularly when people say things like disco
was the first thing I remember is "God am I that old.". Onward.
First my parents. My mother was a church organ player and listened to
jazz. Art Tatum, Oscar Peterson, Lionel Hampton, Ella, Mel Torme,
George Shearing, and on and on. My dad had very little interest in
music. He whistled nonstop but there was never a song in there. Just
kind of rambling whistling but he had a very good tone so it wasn't
annoying.
The first song I remember hearing was This Old Sow by Cyril Richard and
the Conneticutt Yankees. It was a novelty record with a chorus that
had snorting and fart noises and whistles. Everything a five year old
could want in a record. It was a 78 that I convinced my parents I should
keep and then I broke it (this was as an adult not as a five year old).
The first record I bought was Rebel Rouser by Duane Eddy. At the same trip
my brother bought his first - Western Movies by the Olympics. Then it
was do wop, Ventures, Sandy Nelson until I got into Motown. Smokey basically
wrote a song for ever girl (sorry Marsha but I wasn't falling in love with
women back then) I ever liked. The Brits came next. Rubber Soul remains
one of my favorite albums. Pet Sounds is another from that time that remains
strong for me. Hit Fast Forward to 70 and a major point in my musical
listening experience. LSD. I remember clearly an afternoon of Clearlight
and John McLaughlin Inner Mounting Flames. Music changed for me that day
and it is not easy to explain how. Next I moved to San Francisco and
just caught the end of the sixties (even though it was 73).
Most recently my most enjoyable musical experiences have been playing.
I learned guitar and play with a regular group. Nobody has any aspirations
of making a dime in music so we are just playing for the fun of it and
I think that makes a big difference.
It's back to work for me.
JimG
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:52:00 ZONE
From:         Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Black Sabbath Christmas Tune

     I'm not normally a Black Sabbath fan, but I heard on the radio the
other day a song called "I Am Santa Claus" by Black Sabbath done to the
tune of "Iron Man".

     It is the most outrageous thing I've heard and I can't seem to find
anyone who knows how to get a copy of it around here.

     Does anyone know anything about this, please let me know...thanks!

Steve Rife
(STEV@MCO)
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:32:54 EST
From:         Michael <EVK102@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Call Waiting

A short aside:

Does anyone know how to suppress call waiting while one is online?
This session today was interrupted by five frivoulous calls and it's
DRIVING ME CRAZY!! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!! I'M GOING TO END IT ALL!!
But, on a more serious note (unless suicide is your thing, then on a less
serious note) is there some kind of electronic gadget I can use, or a number
I can call, or what?  My friend tried to cancel his call waiting service for
the same reason, and they told him that they couldn't, and continued service
but didn't bill him for the call waiting.(hmmmm...)  The solution was to get
another line.  I can't really afford a new line. Any suggestions?
- Michael
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:06:57 EST
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Allmusic Guide to Netiquette

   Did somebody say Vinnie?



                                         - Drummer -
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:06:04 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Frustration...non-musical -Reply
              18 Dec 1992 10:02:12 CST from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:02:12 CST crispen said:
>You made way too much sense there, Rev. Dave.  You ought to watch
>out for that -- there are people who would be put in serious jeopardy
>if too many of us started thinking like rational adults.

I agree "The Rev" made sense, but keep in mind it's the same defense that
is used against gun control. "Guns don't kill people people kill people"
So what we should say is "Sex doesn't cause disease, people cause disease"
....L. "No occifer i haven't deen brinkin" W.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:11:36 MST
From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Glass and Christmas music (not related!!! Ugh,
              what a thought! )

>I don't have a favorite Christmas carol, but there are a few from a few years
>back, that my friends and I made up, that were quite funny, at the time.  For
>example, "Jingle Balls"  Anyone with any intelligence at all can figure it out.
>Sorry, but I don't remember the exact lines, so don't ask.
>K. Anne
>P.S.  Does anyone have a favorite that they want to share?

There's always that lovely hardcore feminist carol:

"Deck their balls
 til down they fall-y"   :)

Actually, I think it would festive to concoct a special ALLMUSIC Carol based on
the tune of one the corny familiar ones, only ALLMUSICize it...  each of us
could contribute verses.  Any suggestions for the basis?

OMC:  Yesterday I was suffering from an over-abundance of Christmas Cheer from
the night before.  I woke up to discover that no two hairs on my head were
lying in the same direction and my eyeballs had a heartbeat of their own. Do
any of you listen to any particular kind of music when you're feeling like
ca-ca?  And please... speak softly...

- Libby,
  the Once-A-Year Lush
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:35:00 EDT
From:         Another message from Rosemary! <RWARREN@TOPAZ.CONCORDIA.CA>
Subject:      welcome mick

hello mick,
GREETINGS from Montreal!

so nice to find out we have something in common!  don't be a stranger.

"The Jackson 5 is history (in the books I mean)
Did a lot of things for me ..."
        Jermaine Jackson, "Rebel With a Cause"

Rosemary Warren         rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:32:59 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Frustration...non-musical -Reply

> From:          Elf1154 <elf1154.dsc1@PCMAIL.DCCCD.EDU>
Elf says:
>
> I agree with you!! I am tired of subsidising other people's
> insecurity and desire to make everyone join in their indulgences.
> It's about time we quit worshiping alcohol and sex.  That would
> reduce a loit of today's problems with chronic absenteeism in
> work and school and reduce the problem of AIDS.
>
> We need to also realize that we could save a lot of $$$ if we cut
> out some of the overindulgence these activities.
>
> Ed Frankenfeld
> Dallas County Community Colleges

(ascend soapbox)

    Now hold on a minute there son.  Just what are you tryin' to say?
You're knockin' two of the greatest things God ever put on this here
blessed earth!  I'd mentioned the others, but I'm not to sure about
the their legality in other states (I *know* they're all illegal in
Alabama!)  Innebreation and fornication (when approached responsibly,
that is consentin' partners, condoms, you know responsibility, boy!)
can be a whole lotta fun!  They feel good!  God meant to give us some
form of release (pardon any pun.)  Now, I can understand yer hard
feelings for those who do not act responsibly, but personally I've
never missed work for a hangover (I have to admit I did miss a couple
o' days of class my freshman year for sex) and have never passed on
(or received for that matter) a sexual disease.  Drinks, drugs and
sex ain't the problem.  People, they're the problem.  You wanna do
these things? Fine, you, do 'em.  Just remember you got
responsibilities and that you gotta tend them first.  You do that and
there ain't no problem.

(descend soapbox)

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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:16:05 EST
From:         Michael <EVK102@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Mr. Big

This summer I was privleged (no, privileged.  Check it out, I can use a
dictionarry.  I also, however, cannot read the front cover <joke>)  to see
Mr. Big open for Rush at Great Woods in Massachusetts.  That is, the reason I
was privileged was that I got to see Rush, not Mr. Big.  Mr. Big wasn't bad,
however.  They impressed me with their technical skill.  I feel, however, that
Billy (we'll call him BS for short <another joke>) is overrated. Sure, he's
pretty damn fast, but I think he lacks the sense of compostition of say,
well, Geddy Lee. (get the idea that I'm a Rush fan?)  I might be biased to
metal bass (one note per chord change, just play it real fast over and over.)
He did some pretty cool improv stuff during one song, though.  Gilbert was okay
in my opinion, though.  The other two guys didn't stand out to me very much.

Michael

GOD'S FINAL MESSAGE TO HIS CREATION: "Sorry for the inconvenience."
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:31:41 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      New Thread

    Okay, I'm doing my best to ignore our newest toad and just get on
with my life.  It's a gettin' hard, tho.  I'm haven to pull on some o'
my strongest spiritual reserves, to beat back that evil beast of
spite.
    I was in a lousy mood yesterday afternoon.  I think it was the
Xmas pressure, and the hard truth of a tiny wallet and a few too many
presents left to buy.  Anyway so to relieve the pressure I put on one
of the most hardcore CD's I've got...L7 _Bricks Are Heavy_.  After my
frustrations had subsided, it put me in mind of an excellent topic of
conversation (at least I think so.)
    Why is it that even today female bands do not receive the same
level of interest as male bands?  Essentially what is the sexism of
the music industry and why is it so prevalent?  Female singers, i.e.
Shitney Houston (oops, that's Whitney), Madolla, and Sinead are seen
as okay.  Bands with female lead singers are accepted, many times
she's even allowed to play bass.  But bands which consist solely of
women, do not recieve nearly as much recognition.  The same can even
be said for this list.  How many times have we discussed the merits
of an all-women band?
    Why is this so?  Are there fewer female bands?  If so why?  Is
there a general lack of interest?  Or is it that they are just not as
encouraged as males are.  (I know that's weird, musicians rarely
receive any early encouragement, but do women receive even less?)  I
feel like I'm witnessing something akin to the Elizebethan attitude
toward actors -- Women are not allowed.  If they are then they must
be harlots.  Why else would they live on the road and parade
themselves on stage before a public?
    I'd really like some discourse on this.

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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:12:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      _Blow Up_

>From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
>OMC: watched Antoniony's "Blow Up" (excellent movie, btw - London in the
>sixties, tons of marijuana, subjective reality, etc.) For some reason
>I thought that the movie was shot in '65, but the music there (The
>Yardbirds) seems to be a bit heavier than anything you would expect at
>that time. Something wrong with my timing?

_Blow Up_ bears a 1966 release date.  According to the liner notes for
_The Yardbirds_ compilation, when the band recorded the music for the
film, both Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were in the band, which might
account for the heaviness of the music.  Beck has said he was
embarrassed to break his guitar, feeling that it was a Pete Townshend
rip-off, but the director insisted.  I don't remember if Page is
visible in the movie.  Good excuse to watch it again, I suppose.

_Blow Up_ is also the name of a newly issued double CD by Television.
The label is ROIR.  I think this might be the pre-Marquee Moon demo
tapes produced by Eno along with some additional life material:
a fourteen minute version of "Little Johnny Jewel" and others.  The
second CD is 40 minutes long and has only four song titles listed.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:40:15 EST
From:         Mick Jeffries <MICK.JEFFRIES@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Bossanova quandary

Well, there's little question in *my* mind.

*You* should know it too.

What, you say?  Well, that you really haven't lived unless you've heard the
 shockingly naive and beautiful voice of *Astrud Gilberto*, who defined popular
 bossanova in the midsixties before The Beatles came over and buried it.  Sure,
 "The Girl from Ipanema" is great, but the rest is even better.  And to think
 her husband (Juao Gilberto, king of Bossanova) didn't want her to sing "Girl"
 It only sold 2.5 million copies worldwide.  She was just a housewife before
 that.  So check it out, if you want to lounge large.  Verve has a
 great compilation featuring Astrud with the perennial Stan Getz, Gil Evans,
 Antonio Carlos Jobim, and her hubby, of course.

Now my question:  How come I can't find a version of the Jobim classic "Wave"
 by Astrud?  Surely she did it.  And if not, who does the definitive version?

Time to test yr. mettle....

Any other Astrud or other notable lounge music fans around?  Wot about Martin
 Denny?  Now there's some Tiki Bar Jazz, see?

    Mick Jeffries
    University of Kentucky    mick.jeffries@ukwang.uky.edu
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:34:33 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Album Covers

Marco writes:

>         Artistically speaking, I loved Roger Dean's covers for YES' albums,
> no particular preference. Some Hipgnosis works were great, too. If I am


      Funny, I never realized that Dean's covers were actually pictures
of quite large size. I came across some originals of the covers for
YES and Uriah Heap in a small gallery in San Francisco. Of course, they
went for a pretty penny (I think, _Relayer_ was sold for a quarter of a
million), although they hopelessly fell behind some minimalistic designs
for Playboy Magazine (tm), where a million was the smallest unit of
measure. And that was the time when I tried to squeeze into BART (SF's
subway) without paying, and my dinner consisted mostly of dozens of
half&half packages that owners of fast food places kindly gave away.
            Ilia.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:44:00 ZONE
From:         Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Best Band Ever

     If I had to pick one (and its hard to do) best band ever it
would be Emerson, Lake, and Palmer hands down.  Just my opinion,
but I think they are an amazing band.

Steve Rife
(STEV@MCO)
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Presidential music
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:23:45 GMT

From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>

> What a great idea! Are we set for the Allmusic Presidential Inauguration
> Compilation '93, then? Just think of the great stuff we could send him.
> We could even set up a tape just for Tipper. I think this idea has great
> potential, folks. Reach for the stars. I mean, c'mon, who else is gonna
> turn this guy on to some decent music? And who could do it better than the
> ALLMUSIC All-Stars? Well, are we ready to serve our country and our President?
> I've got my tape deck primed and ready!

When The Nation Was Sound, by the Rova Saxophone Quartet

Jeff

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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: The deluge part 2: gurls in bands
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:37:27 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92121815351077@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET> writes:
>> Sorry, Marsha, I intended to reply yesterday.  One cure for the
>> feminine instrument syndrome is female band directors.
>
>Carla Bley was my dream date for years. (But I'm not gonna attempt to compete
>with Steve Swallow-- besides, her new music sucks.) Curiously, she doesn't hire
>many women-- other than the violinist on _Tropic Appetites_, I can only think
>of singers-- and "personalities," like Viva on _Escalator Over the Hill_.

You too  ?  I also wanted to play trumpet in her band, but that was the
time she was still married to Michael Mantler, so that put a stop to
that idea.  As for hiring women, the only one she seems to push is Karen
Mantler... her daugther.

On the issue of female musicians, she is distinctly anti-feminist.  She
was intervewed by someone who was going to make a book on women jazz
musicians, and her first response was "why would anyone want to do
that?"  When they try pin it on how hard it is for women to make it in
the music business, she will have nothing to do with it.  She seems to have a
built in thick head on ignoring that.  For instance, she will say, "my
band members said there were hecklers telling me to do the dishes, but I
didn't hear them"

Jeff
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