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Subject: Head tattoos
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> is there any problem with getting a tattoo on your scalp?

 You see a lot of it in the tattoo magazines; usually convention shots
of the freshly-done tattoo.

 It seemed rather futile to me, unless you're a skinhead.
             
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:31:28 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: where to get info on meaning of symbols

In article <l84ib5INNjsc@aludra.usc.edu> rengen@aludra.usc.edu (Robert Engen) writes:
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>My girl friend was interested in getting an arm band tatoo, something
>like a celtic pattern, or a "scrolling englishish thing" to quote her,
>(dont ask me what that means, your guess is as good, or probably
>better than mine :-), but she wants to know the meaning of the
>differnt patterns.  so my question is, can someone point me in the
>direction of a good book(s) on this subject that not only has alot of
>good ideas for patterns, but also gives the meanings.
>
>thanks,
>robert.

I think she's referring to Celtic style knotwork.  I think the knotwork patterns
don't have any symbolic significance to the people that created them, they were
just decorative.  But, they were used in certain contexts (religious stones,
books, stuff like that), so that could be considered "symbolic."
I don't know of any books good to describe their symbolism, but I found one
book that has a lot of cool designs in it, and does at least a mediocre job of
showing you how to draw your own.  I can't remember the name of the book, but
it's by a guy named George Bain.  I'm not sure if it's widely available, my
housemate just happened to have the book.  If you want, I can try to find info.
on where it can be obtained, and more specific info. on the title, etc.

-me
From: acase@reed.edu (Andrew Case)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Custom(?) Jewelry
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:02:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug17.050253.28640
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


         My nipple piercing is pretty much healed (as far as I can
tell), and so my thoughts naturally drift in the direction of new
jewelry. The piercing is somewhat asymetric (entry and exit holes
are different distances from the center of the nipple). This is 
a source of annoyance for me, but I was thinking that perhaps an 
asymetrical piece of jewelry would make it more aesthetically
appealing. what I have in mind right now is something like this;
           
            _           |
           / \__________|bar
           \_/   bar    | 
         bead           | 
That is, a T shaped bar with a threaded bead to secure it in place 
once the 'upright' of the T had been passed through the piercing.
          So the questions are  - Anyone know how to get hold of
such a thing? - Would it have to be custom made? - Is there any
other suitable design (asymetric, please) available from a
commersial establishment?
          All this is, of course, greatly complicated by the fact
that my preference for materials runs mainly to surgical stainless
steel. Oh well.

Thanks.
Andrew Case
acase@reed.edu
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: where to find info/meanings of symbols
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:14:13 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Aug13.223953.19887@samba.oit.unc.edu> Matt.Balara@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matt Balara) writes:
>
>         As someone already said as far as I know the celtic knotwork
>designs have very little known absolute meaning.  I would however
>recommend a book for design ideas, "Methods of Construction of Celtic Art" by
>George Bain.  Dover publishes a paperback edition for about $12 I believe and
>that's the only edition still in print.  Dover's adress is:
>   
>                       Dover Publications Inc.
>                       13 East 2nd St.
>                       Mineola, N.Y.  11501
>
>          They don't do phone orders, but they'll gladly send you a free
>catalogue.  They're also an excellent source for a variety of design
>books, most of which would adapt very well to tatoos.

I have this book, and had loaned it out. I just borrowed it back so I
could get ready for a tattoo convention that's going to be in our lil'
burg, and to post the relevant info in response to the original post
of this thread. It's really excellent.

Dover also, as mentioned have other books, including STENCILS.
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Fred and Wilma!
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:28:32 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Any thoughts?

Yes.  Your friend is an asshole.
-- 
"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and 
child." -- Dan Quayle
 
Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Fred and Wilma!
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:53:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.194239.1@vax1.umkc.edu> ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>It's a skull and crossbones, except the skull looks a lot like Fred Flintstone
>and below it, it says "Wilma".  I was quite inebriated when all of this went
>on and I let my friend tell him what to put on.  Now, isn't this kind of a 
>bad idea?  Shouldn't a person be able to make his own decisions as to what 
>goes onto his or her body?

Unless you control what goes into your body, you won't be controlling what
goes on it.

It's generally not a good idea to tattoo someone who is drunk; there tends to
be more of a bleeding problem as well as general unpleasantries on the part
of the one being tattooed.  But it happens.  Nobody said that it was a 
perfect world.

Hey, even if you're drunk, that doesn't absolve you of a bit of responsibility
since it was you who made the action of getting drunk.  Myself, I wouldn't
complain, since it sounds like a pretty good design anyway.
--scott
From: osiris@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Vertical nipple piercings...
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:10:44 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Well, I liked it so much I think I am gonna do it again...(not buy the
company).  

This time, though, I thought it would be aesthetically pleasing to
have a 12 ga Barbell vertically through it (to complement the
horizontal ring on the other) so I was wondering:

  o  Has anyone reading ever gotten their nipple pierced vertically 
       -any problems healing (did it ride down)?
       -problems with the pierce jewelery (if not a barbell) flopping
          out and pushing against clothing?
  o  What would be the possible problems with getting barbell starting
      jewelery. (aside from cleaning)
  o  Am I erroneous in my assumption that a ring piercing vertically
      would perhaps travel down more than a barbell? 

well, that's about it.  Thanks in advance.

peace
-marcel
--
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--+  I would include a disclaimer, but that would imply that my 
--+  employer cared.
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Subject: Re: Nipple Ack!
From: mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer)
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:42:04 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <IeUbnOO00WB24SGPxS@andrew.cmu.edu>, af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:
> I pierced my nipple in April (let's see... 3 or 4 months ago) and it soon
> stopped getting cruddy or hurting at all.  After it was consistantly not cruddy
> for a while, I stopped cleaning it.  Now, maybe a month or so after I stopped
> (I'm not sure exactly), it started hurting.  I kind of ignored it because it
> did that once in a while.  But last night I noticed it looked not at all
> healthy.  Infected.  Ack.
> Question:  Do you clean it once it's infected again the same way you do when you
> first get it?  (hot soaks, betadine diluted in water several times per day)
> Is it likely that it'll get so infected that they'll have to amputate my chest?
> (sarcasm)
> -me
    



    I think that any boob that gets there nipple pierced should be in pain.
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Permanence
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:10:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: fido.ope4ot8
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <Bt8wwo.EpM@well.sf.ca.us> wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene) writes:
>I can't agree with Jeff's distinction.  Tattoos are just as
>much a fad right now as piercings.  Last night I was at the CW
>Saloon (San Francisco thrash club) and about half the crowd
>had tattoos up and down their arms (someone's making a mint
>off those celtic arm bands) and piercings sprouting out of
>their faces.

However, one septum piercing looks exactly like any other septum piercing.
You can vary the gauge, but basically they are all alike.  Tattoos are all
unique, so despite the fad quality they are currently experiencing, at least
everyone is getting their own, rather than another just like everyone else's.


>Branding.  Now that I can see as a truly distinctive and
>irreversible expression of...whatever.

Branding seems to be what people do when they are trying to impress people
with how "primitive" they are.



Ther eason I gave up on piercing was a combination of how temporary they
are combined with the fact that frankly, most piercings look alike.  One
pierced tongue looks pretty much like any other pierced tongue.  My tattoos
are mine.  No one else has them (or anything close to them).  They look
like I want them to (with an artist's help in rendering).  Therefore, they
reflect more of the person wearing them than a piercing.

FWA
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From: cmurray@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Christopher John Murray)
Subject: Re: where to get info on meaning of symbols
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 04:28:45 GMT

In article <l84ib5INNjsc@aludra.usc.edu>, rengen@aludra.usc.edu (Robert Engen) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>My girl friend was interested in getting an arm band tatoo, something
>like a celtic pattern, or a "scrolling englishish thing" to quote her,
>(dont ask me what that means, your guess is as good, or probably
>better than mine :-), but she wants to know the meaning of the
>differnt patterns.  so my question is, can someone point me in the
>direction of a good book(s) on this subject that not only has alot of
>good ideas for patterns, but also gives the meanings.
>
>thanks,
>robert.

     I'd like some of that too thanks, I wan't a circle 2-3 inches diameter
around my nipple to complement a ring - and celtic designs look real good
for just that.  Have you seen the Red Hot Chili Peppers tats?? There are
some pics on the fold out cover to 'Blood sugar sex magick' and I'm sure
(I think) there were some celtic designs..       

                 Ky


Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Subject: Tattoos to cover scars
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:09:47 GMT


[Please forgive the repost of this question which I asked a couple of
weeks ago. I lost net access for a while, and was not able to track
down any replies.]

Does anybody have any experience with tattooing as a cover up over
surgical scars? I still have a cast on so I don't know to what extent
my leg is scarred. Cetainly the pins holding the bones in place will
leave a scar before it's over. Any thoughts?

-- 
Sleepwalker with broken leg seeks bondage top to prevent further injury!
Reply via EMAIL:

STEVE SCHOCHET\af244@cleveland.freenet.edu\af244%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: New Tattooist in SouthWestern Ontario
Keywords: n
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:11:06 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.

New Tattooist in SouthWestern Ontario

Roland Harsch, formerly of Tattarama in Toronto Canada, has just set up shop
in "The Joker's Wild" tattoo parlour (20 Adelaide Street S., London,
Ontario, Canada 1-519-642-2808).  After having trained in art school at the
School of Technical Arts in Calgary Alberta, Roland trained to be a
Tattooist in Tattarama.  While some people take pride in dashing off a
stencil in 10 minutes, Roland will labour for hours over even the simplist
of design, ensuring that it is perfect before turning to ink.  This is where
his art training shows through, and admits that he feels the design creation
and drawing are the most artistic portions of the tattoo process, the actual
tattoo process being more of a "craft" than an art form.  But in no way is
the final result anything less than fine art.  Roland appreciates and
executes his craft with extraordinary care, making even the simplist
Tasmanian Devil ("just stay within the lines" as he puts it) look like
something special.

I like London, and I'd really like to stay here," says Roland.  And I, who
swore never to get tattooed by a local artist again, thinks that
SouthWestern Ontario is the better for it.


London is near mid-way betwixt Toronto and Windsor on the 401 highway.I have
no affiliation with Joker's Wild other than that of an impressed customer.
Take the 401 to the Wellington Road exit, go north 5km or so to Commisioners
Road and turn east (right) to Adelaide Street.  Go north on Adelaide until
you reach 20 Adelaide street, just before the river.

-- 
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: +1 519 663 3789                P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108          London, Canada N6A 5K8
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From: chachra@ecf.toronto.edu (CHACHRA Debbie)
Subject: Re: Vertical nipple piercings...
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:28:27 GMT

In article <OSIRIS.92Aug15201012@miles.mit.edu> osiris@athena.mit.edu writes:
>
>  o  Has anyone reading ever gotten their nipple pierced vertically 
>       -any problems healing (did it ride down)?
>       -problems with the pierce jewelery (if not a barbell) flopping
>          out and pushing against clothing?

I had my nipple pierced with a Gauntlet nipple retainer (a 14 ga post that
goes the the nipple, and a 20 ga ring that encircles it) and I had it
done vertically.  I had no problems with it, the healing time was okay,
everything was fine.  I expect that a sideways ring *would* flop out, but
whether it'd be serious or not is for other people to say.

>  o  What would be the possible problems with getting barbell starting
>      jewelery. (aside from cleaning)

None that *I* know of.  Make sure you make it long enough to have some
freedom to move so that it doesn't seal off if it gets swollen.

>  o  Am I erroneous in my assumption that a ring piercing vertically
>      would perhaps travel down more than a barbell? 
>
I'm not quite sure what you mean here.>

I hope this helped, Marcel.


Debbie Chachra
chachra@skule.ecf.utoronto.ca


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From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Tongue piercing and tat question
	<JET.92Aug17164534@win30.nas.nasa.gov>
	<1992Aug18.031243.22106@news.eng.convex.com>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:59:11

"Anthony" == Anthony A. Datri <datri@convex.com> writes:


Anthony> Am I the only one who *likes* normal Listerine?  --


You are a sick, sick individual, in need of dire help.  Report
immediately to the nearest tastebud repair center.

:-)


--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
            '91 CB750, soon to be joined by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: source books
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:26:44 GMT
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>a publishing company called Dover Books, who specialize in public
>domain images.  They have books of japanese design motifs, animal woodcuts,
>trains, celtic patterns, borders, scientific equipment, optical illusions,
>arcane symbols, etc etc etc.  

I second Jeff's recommendation. I have an excellent Dover book on Northwest
Indian art which explains the differences between the styles, how
the images are constructed etc. I also have Franz Boas' classic _Primitive
Art_, among other things.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: clc@big-brother.nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: averse affects of bodyart?
Organization: UCCSNCS
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:25:54 GMT

J. Eric Townsend <jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov> writes:
>Chris L. Cobb <clc@big-brother.nevada.edu> writes:
>Chris> This is exactly why I haven't gotten a tragus piercing.  I'm
>Chris> afraid it won't be appreciated in future employment interviews.
>I guess this is one of the bennies of taking lower-paying jobs with
>the likes of NASA or academia...

You would have to bring up the lower-paying part, wouldn't you!  ;-)

Actually, that's where I'm going to apply very shortly.  Las Vegas
may have the reputation of being "Sin City" but the people who live
here tend to be very conservative.  It has a lot to do with the
very strong Mormon influence in the area.

It's hard enough to get a good job when you're an outsider but if
you look _different_, forget it.

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- Stealth Bear -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p

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From: christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith)
Subject: Re: Computer Images of Tatoos Piercings etc
Summary: I WISH!
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:24:35 GMT

  No, I haven't heard of any series specifically depicting
tats, piercings or any other body modifications.  I'm more
or less on the gif scene (internet wise), and I ask as mu-
ch as possible about them...no-one seems to have any tho.
  The only one I have seen is Paula.gif, depicting a young
woman with both nipples pierced and her labias as well.
It's scanned from RESearch's "Modern Primitives", a verit-
able source book for alternate lifestyle activities.

  If anyone knows of such a series or posesses them, plea-
e either mail us (Or 1000 times better: POST IT HERE).
 
  Thanks,
 
-christian

KUDZU (on IRC)

-- 
                         WAR IS PEACE
                      FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
                    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
christ@cie.uoregon.edu
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Subject: Shower Crayons
From: <ISSJXS@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 06:16:01 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University

I'm not into peircing my nipples, my tongue, my eyes, or my more
precious part but I really do get into playing with shower
Crayons, and I can see how someone could find tatoos and body
art attractive.  I'm on my third set already.  FUN FUN FUN
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Computer Images of Tatoos Piercings etc
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:07:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.


Has anyone got / heard of a collection of computer images depicting
various tattoos, piercings etc ?

Davei
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From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: me and my cheeks. :-(
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:50:43


Well, I got the right one pierced, it either got infected or I reacted
badly to Tea Tree oil, so I took it out.

A week later, I get the left one pierced.  It's been in 5 days, and it
looks like *it's* getting infected.  The swelling still hasn't gone
down from when I got it pierced, and it's still quite sore and touchy.
(I'm on mild antibiotics right now, that should *help*, right?)

I used the glyoxy stuff twice a day, used listerine after putting any
non-water in my mouth, and even cut down to only one or two cigs a day
(I should quit, I know).  But it looks like I'm getting a nasty
infection anyway.

Why?  Are mouth piercings tough to heal/easy to get infected?  I've
seen more than one person with a lower-lip labrett, so it can't be
impossible. 1/2 :-)

At any rate, I'm probably going to take this one out soon if it
doesn't get any better.  





--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
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From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: source books
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:56:12 GMT

hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>I have an excellent Dover book on Northwest Indian art

Oops. My NW Indian art book is not from Dover. (It is *bound* like a
Dover book.)

Bill
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Permanence(Re: Shower Crayons)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:00:25 GMT
Organization: University of Denver


the 2nd most often asked question for me is 'why an X on your Y?'

one older fellow, with what i think used to be eagles on his arms, 
asked 'why not a horse, or a chicken, or a douche bag?'
he's a smart-ass friend, so i didn't bother to reply.
actually, i've never told anyone that had to ask why.
From: wnoe@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Bill Noe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Kenneth Patchen biography
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:35:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I am looking for a biography, or perhaps an autobiography (if it exists), of
Kenneth Patchen.  An artist/poet/novelist, Patchen created several collections
of inestimable worth, many of which were published by New Directions.  Any
recommendations (along with particular reasons, where avaliable) would be
appreciated.


Thanks in advance...

...B
-- 
wnoe@ecn.purdue.edu
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From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: secrets / Marie Coffin
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:16:29 GMT


	secrets
	---------------------------------

	you see the most prosaic
	most unromantic virtues in me.
	i am patient, tidy, a good cook.

	but if i opened the third drawer
	and showed you
	my secret stash
	of filmy lacy pearly clothes --
	what then?

	is it too late for you
	to see me in those?


Marie Coffin
August 17, 1992
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