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From: andria@white.toronto.edu (Andria L. Hunter)
Subject: Women's Team Canada Roster (IIHF Championships)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:33:19 GMT


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                WOMEN'S IIHF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
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                  TAMPERE, FINLAND (APR 20-26)
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TEAM CANADA MEMBERS:
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NAME               POS   HT   WT   CURRENT TEAM / HOMETOWN
___________________________________________________________________________

Geraldine Heaney    RD   5'8  140  Toronto Aeros / Weston, ON
Nathalie Rivard     LD   5'7  165  Toronto Aeros / Cumberland, ON
Heather Ginzel      LW   5'7  130  Toronto Aeros / Brampton, ON
Andria Hunter       C    5'6  138  Scarborough FireFighters / Peterborough, ON
Angela James        C    5'6  155  Toronto Aeros / Thornhill, ON
Karen Nystrom       RW   5'5  136  Scarborough FireFighters / Scarborough, ON
Sue Scherer         LW   5'4  140  Guelph Eagles / Kitchener, ON
Laura Schuler       C    5'6  138  Northeastern University / Scarborough, ON
Margot Verlaan      C    5'5  135  Toronto Aeros / Kitchener, ON

Manon Rheaume       G    5'7  144  Les Jaguars de Louiseville / Lac Beauport, PQ
Marie-Claude Roy    G    5'3  140  Ladies Stingers / Montreal, PQ
Diane Michaud       LD   5'6  155  Sherbrooke / Ste-Foy, PQ
Nathalie Picard     LD   5'3  149  Sherbrooke / Saint-Hilaire, PQ
Nancy Drolet        LW   5'6  130  Sherbrooke / Drummondville, PQ
Danielle Goyette    RW   5'6  133  Sherbrooke / Ste-Foy, PQ
Francis St. Louis   C    5'9  140  Les 4 Glaces Brossard / St. Hubert, PQ

Judy Diduck         LD   5'7  150  Edmonton Chimos / Sherwood Park, AB
Dawn McGuire        LD   5'3  125  Edmonton Chimos / Edmonton, AB
France Montour      RW   5'6  136  Edmonton Chimos / Edmonton, AB

Stacy Wilson        LW   5'4  125  T and R Sports / Moncton, NB




Andria Hunter  (andria@white.toronto.edu)

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: SCNY Preview Weekend (Was: I need my fix!)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:04:46 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>dja1@mulch.picst.bellcore.com (Dave Arlington) writes:
>
>> I really don't care who is right or wrong any more. I need hockey!!
>
>I turned on SC tonight during the spot blocked aside for the playoffs, 
>just to see what was on, and you know what they were showing?  Any idea?
>
>"Formula-style Go-Kart racing."  I shit you not.

Why is that so unbelievable? (-;

Well, if you can't show the real thing ... I got home late last night
and found that SC (SCNY & SCA) was clear for a free preview weekend
(Gee, are people not buying? (-;  Usually when it's clear, somebody
forgot to turn on the scrambler when switching over from BET) showing
a rerun of the last game of the 1984 finals, Islanders over Edmonton.

This was a repeat, with the earlier prime-time showing followed by the
"Crowning Glory" Islanders documentary.  Right now, half my lab is at
home watching Mets opening day, also clear today ...

I don't know if the rest of you got this on your systems ... since
SCNY also replays Baseball's Greatest Games, why not hockey?  Just
looking at the team rosters, we could fill this group with "Where 
are they now?"-type questions. (-;

Boy, I feel like I just got off cold turkey ... 

gld

PS: Those of you with dishes might want to swing it over for a look;
you might be able to catch Don Cherry's "Grapevine", for one thing!
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				U.S. Elections 1992, Vote Now:
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		a) Elvis 50's stamp, or
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			b) Elvis 70's stamp?
From: elbaldwi@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hell
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:53:19 GMT
Reply-To: elbaldwi@eos.ncsu.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr10.165217.246@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>I agree with the sentiments expressed in this newsgroup that the day
>hockey becomes popular in the American South will be the day hell
>freezes over.
>

Well, maybe not freezing, but a definite cold front is moving in....
I do think that the Tampa team will be a major dissappointment. But as far 
as minor league action is concerned, it is gaining tremendous support in
the south, especially in North Carolina.  Two ECHL teams, Raleigh Icecaps
and the Greensboro Monarchs had tremendous support throughout the season.
The Monarchs sold out the Greensboro Coliseum (10000+ fans) on a number of
occasions. And 20 of Raleigh's 30 home games broke 5000+ fans (in a 5,300
arena) in only its first season in area completely unfamiliar to hockey.
Season tickets for next season in Raleigh are already going fast, and the
season just ended for them.  True, hockey is still pretty foreign to many
of the rural areas in the south, but that doesn't mean it isn't without
it's popularity.

Edward Lee Baldwin
Computer Engineering/Brewing/Consuming
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: No Anti-trust protection.. Big problem!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:46:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.201841.27216@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>But theoretically, a draft should not exist.  Therefore, isn't the draft
>then changing at the whim of anyone who threatens to sue?

Yes.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com





Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: NHL Regular Season Revised Schedule
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:06:56 GMT

In article <e2hX021c0f=K01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, esm40@cd.amdahl.com (Ed McGettigan) writes:
> Remaining Regular Season Games:
> All times in Pacific Daylight Time (PDT)
> 
[SCHED deleted]
> 
> The Rangers seem to be getting the best deal with the new schedule by
> not having to play until Wednesday.  

Are you kidding? They've just had 12 days off. You think they want to only
have 2 warmup games and not play until Wed.? They'd love to play 3-4 games
before they start playoffs. These are going to be some out of shape, out of
practice, out of synch players about to jump into Stanley Cup Playoffs in
less than a week!

pete clark jr.
att!hos1caD!seth
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: The Fat Lady Sang ... NHL over?
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:26:29 GMT


In a previous article, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says:

>
>The NHL owners brewed up a new offer to the players last night, a
>take-it-or-leave-it deal with everything prior to this swept off of
>the table.  Deadline was Thursday at 3 PM, with games to restart on
>Sunday night.  The NHLPA responded with, "No!"
>
>According to WFAN, the new owners' offer would let the players keep
>rights to their likenesses on hockey cards.  No mention of uniforms
>and logos on their person ("Okay, I'll trade you two Coffey in Jean
>Paul Gauthier for one Messier in Armani!" (-;), for one thing.
>
>Right now, it looks really grim.  A shame, after one of the best NHL
>seasons in a long, long while ...

And, I already read that Messier wnats to start a new league, and
furthermore, Ziegler warned that that's it, totally, for the NHL
(implying that it will just close up shop and fold)
-- 
ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu (Eric Rickin) or bu072@gnh-bauhaus.cts.com
Slap and Tickle... The Canadian National Sport
University of Michigan: Class of 1996
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: Capital appreciation, again (was Re: Greedy Athletes)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:17:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.225603.26014@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
> 
> BTW, hockey players are not employees "maintaining" the real estate
> property. Athletes are mostly responsible for the appreciation of
> the properties, while maintainence people don't.

The most important element in any capital appreciation of a sports franchise is
location.  I'd rather take the present San Jose franchise than a franchise
based in Moose Jaw, Sask. with superstar players (excluding the possibility of
selling players as assets in this argument).  A player of the
calibre and popularity of Gretzky is very important to capital appreciation,
but the venue of a franchise is most important.  Again, I'm not suggesting
players don't deserve greater reward for capital appreciation.

Glenn
From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Penguin Marketing Meeting
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:47:02 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Sigh...I just finished typing this and my computer shut down...here
we go again...

The Penguins have hired a market research firm to assess fan perception
of the organization.  I was invited to a focus group meeting, which
I attended this morning, and thought I'd give a quick rundown.  There
were 12 fans in my group (there were other groups scheduled -- I don't
know the total number) and we all thought it was candid, insightful,
and very valuable.  And we got $30 each for participating! :)

ISSUES WE DISCUSSED:

*$$$:  Naturally!  We talked about tickets -- everything from this
 year's increase to next year's increase (I suggest you start digging
 deep into your wallets now); refunds for tickets for games you can't
 attend and for which you can't sell the tickets yourself; pricing structure;
 payment plans; the rationale behind paying for all those "extra" games.
*"Perks" for season ticket holders (some great ideas here!)
*Perception of new owners
*Pay-per-view; simulcasts; Mike Lange/Paul Steigerwald (I raised these
 issues)
*THE NEW LOGO (I brought this up, too!)
*Arena issues: food, restrooms, parking, customer relations, Elvis,
 a new mascot, the music, the scoreboard, etc...
*Perception of players and the organization in general vis-a-vis
 community relations

I don't want to post in detail because it would take a long time and I
don't know what the interest level would be.  However, if you'd like
more information I'll glady share it with you.  SEND ME E-MAIL -- I
read a small percentage of postings.  Depending on interest, I'll
either respond individually or I'll put together a posting next week.
(I'd be happy to meet up with some of you local folks before or after
the game here this week as well.  I think you should hear some of
this stuff, one way or the other.)

And now...LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!  (I told you so...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: bsk@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian S. Kazmierczak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: AHL playoffs
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:24:04 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <46269@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:
>Well, since things are looking rather dime in the NHL playoff
>department, anyone wanna discuss the AHL playoffs? The Spring-
>field Indians have their first game tonite and are looking
>to capture the Calder Cup for the third year in a row and
>I feel they have a good chance of doing it.
>Judy

I am pretty confident the Rochester Americans can take the first two games
of the Calder Cup championships and then blow the rest again this year :)

Just a random Amerks note (dunno if this has been mentioned yet or not)
but Nichols graduate, Peter Caviglia set a 30+ (?) year Amerks rookie
score mark this year. He had something like 98 pts and finished in the
leagues top ten in points.


----

Brian
From: ken@hooters.East.Sun.COM (Ken Harford - Corp. Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Who will you be pulling for?
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:08:51 GMT
Reply-To: ken@hooters.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooters.east.sun.com

If the B's get bounced I would like to see either Chicago or St. Louis!!!


Ken
From: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT.
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:59:18 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems

In article <allan.702888655@kitscoty>, allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
writes:
|>mczody@athena.mit.edu (Michael C. Zody) writes:
|>>   Actually, the rule is an automatic game misconduct and game suspension. 
The
|>>result is that it's never called.

But it isn't called because *it doesn't happen*.  Players don't fight because
they know the rules.  And curiously enough, stickwork in the NHL is still
worse than in US college hockey, maybe because the stickwork is also called
in college.

I continually see players who go from college to pro undergo a Jekyll-and-Hyde
transformation.  They suddenly become cheap, or goons, or whatever.  Tony
Amonte is a much dirtier player than he was at BU.  Graeme Townshend was a 
tough, physical player at RPI but became a fighter in the pros because that's
what they wanted him to do.  Despite the uproar over this year's national
championship game, I think officiating is better overall in college than in
the NHL.  Players at any level will get away with what they know they can get
away with, and an Amonte knows he'll be given more lenience in the NHL than
in college.  Not just as far as fighting goes, but with stickwork too.

|>Is this in American or Canadian college hockey? Just wondering. The
|>basis may be similar, but most University players in Canada don't go
|>on to the NHL.

The rule quoted above is US college.  In addition, the 2nd DQ
(disqualification)
in a season gets you a 2-game suspension, the third gets you 3, etc.  I am
not sure of the rule in Canadian university hockey since I don't follow it
closely.
--
 == Mike Machnik                     Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
 == 508-294-2177                     300 Concord Road   MA30-819A     ==
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: billoj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeremy Louis Billones)
Subject: Re: More on the screwing of the Badgers...
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:36:04 GMT

(You ought to pay more attention to those Subject lines... :-)

I was there, live.  I had seen both semifinal games live, too.
I thought Wisconsin was a scrappy team with a lot of class.

I was wrong.  They lost, and they deserved to lose because they
fell apart when things didn't go their way.

The *only* time when I wondered about the officiating was when the
ref didn't wash out the delayed penalty when the goal was scored.
There must be an NCAA rule I don't know about.

Jeremy Billones     billoj@rpi.edu  or  jbillone@jarthur.claremont.edu
"You bust throught the door and create a diversion.  They all turn and
aim at you.  You try to sweet talk them out of blowing your brains out,
while I sneak around back, bust in, and *really* surprise 'em."
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT.
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:00:19 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <allan.702362807@so-heart-rv> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:


>If you ban fighting, you will get a lot more stick swinging, kicking, etc.
>(After all, what can the person do to retaliate?) And it won't do a thing
>to help get a TV contract, because Americans have Football, basketball, 
>baseball and I doubt the head of the national networks even know what Hockey
And people will STILL think hockey is a barbaric game because of the
>hitting and the nasty stickwork that a ban on fighting will bring.

Well since people will still think it is barbaric don't do anything?

What about ejecting players for fighting and continuing to call offsetting 
penalties when it, in the minds of the refs (if they have minds), is not so 
bad?

If you're afraid that adjusting the way the league handles fighting will 
leave no room for retaliation and thus there will be kicking, etc, then the 
league is barbaric.


>>The big US bucks would solve all the problems the league faces to day.

>Yeah, look what it did for Baseball. Big TV contract, average salary
>skyrockets to over 1 million, then the network starts loosing money
>on the game. So, when the baseball contract comes up for renegotiation
>in a year or two, baseball teams are going to loose BIG TIME. What will
>that mean? Probably pay-per-view. (After all, I doubt baseball fans
>will want to take a pay cut.)
No, the contract didn't kill baseball, mismanagement and unreasonable 
expectations on the part of owners and players are the reasons why baseball 
will soon find itself in alot of trouble.

Mismanagement and unreasonable expectations.  Sounds a lot like the NHL now.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Calder 1992-93
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:35:55 GMT


I would think that if the Nords get some good players for Lindros, and can
improve their team a bit for next year, Valeri Kamensky has as good a
shot at it as Lindros.

Can anyone think of any other guys who might win the Calder next season?

--Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: daniel.lee.van.epps@um.cc.umich.edu (Daniel Van Epps)
Subject: Re: Nordiques 7, Sabres 3 (the used-to-was fan)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:45:14 EDT
Organization: EECS @ Univ. of Mich.

In article <1992Apr15.193221.10110@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
> 
> clarinews@clarinet.com writes in clari.sports.hockey:
> >
> >	QUEBEC (UPI) -- Joe Sakic scored four goals Tuesday night to 
> >power the Quebec Nordiques to a 7-3 victory over the Buffalo Sabres.
> >	Buffalo's Pat Lafontaine scored two goals to push his season 
> >total to 45 in 56 games. 
> >	There were eight power-play goals in the game. Quebec was 
> >5-of-6 on the power play and Buffalo 3-for-3.
> 
> Nine penalties in all, and yet on the ESPN highlight clips they made
> it sound like a bloodbath -- they started it with the Sabres piling on
> top of an enraged member of the audience who tried to jump into their
> bench after running across the ice, some players pulling his sweater
> over his head and then Bob Ray starts flailing away at the poor guy!
> Was the spectator drunk or what?  Nine penalties doesn't make it seem
> like a rough game unless there was some kind of outrageous cheap-shot
> on Sakic or something ... so wha'appened???
> 
> Oh, and there was no penalty assessed to Ray for the incident. (-;
> 
> gld
> --
I saw it on ESPN & CBC Windsor.  This Que fan looked to take on the Buf
bench, the players grabbed him, pulled his sweater up some which rendered
him useless to fight, then paid the price.

I counted 5 head shots before a cop got to the guy, 5 more while the cop
was getting hold of him, & 5 more while he was being pulled away.  This all
occurred in about 7 or fewer seconds, i'd have to review the tape.  & no
penalty assessed for roughing the fan...updates on the fan's health/legal
condition?

ESPN used the incident for its SportsCenter opening scenes with a blurb about
Apr 15 being tax day, & if you don't file on time, (cut to the incident), 
there may be a penalty...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: NHL Season is over.
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:57:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.142159.6656@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.043424.29116@cs.dal.ca> schofiel@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ronald Clyde Douglas Schofield) writes:
>>
>> I know that Sheri and Gerald will flame me, they always do...
>> I have always wondered about who you are Sheri and Gerald and your past
>>playing expirence in the game of hockey. Mabey you could tell us how you
>>scored the winning goal(s) in any games that you have played, and if you
>>are still playing. Better yet mabey you could tell us who read your posts
>>of any war wounds that you have suffered in the process of playing? I don't
>>know of any player who has played for a while not getting any. I myself have
>>player hockey since I was 12(16 yrs)in every league that I could find. I always 
>>played house leagues because I saw too many kids have pressure to play
>>competitive and loose the love of the game. I did not want that. I also
>>played pickup games, played for a local bar for three years. My last year
>>before my war wound, I scored 17 goals in 19 games and accounted for all
>>but one of my teams goals in the playoffs. I have not played hockey for
>>a couple of years as I seperated my shoulder in a pick-up game and under the
>>advice of my doctor, have not played hockey until this year. It sure felt
>>good to get back on the blades. We play from 6am-8am once a week. I love the
>>game.

Are you saying that Gerald and Sherri's arguments are more valid if they 
played hockey as kids, adults, etc.?  That must mean if they respond and say 
they played, you would agree with them?  

Just wondering...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: george glover <gglover@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Hell 
Reply-To: gglover@convex.COM (george glover)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, San Diego, Ca., USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:25:08 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Apr11.002634.19451@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.165217.246@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>>I agree with the sentiments expressed in this newsgroup that the day
>>hockey becomes popular in the American South will be the day hell
>>freezes over.
>>
>>(no flames please)
>
>Dallas and Houston have proud hockey histories...with the right owner
>and the right promotion hockey could be extremely successful in
>Texas.  With the right owner and promotion...it would also work
>in Atlanta...actually, they should give Ted Turner a cut-rate deal
>on a team...it would give him something else to put on TV and
>CNN Sports would give hockey a higher profile.
>
Atlanta has been granted an IHL franchise and will begin play next year.

George