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From: tony@jim.csc.ncsu.edu (Tony Bensinger)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Lupine Character Types
Summary: A little story
Keywords: Is Angst measured in Angstroms?
Organization: Chyeah right.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:05:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.171812.1619@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> JENKINS@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Kent Jenkins) writes:
>If you think there are a lot of stories out there with the Lone Wolf theme, you
>should see how many people out there think they're /cats/.
>
>(I'm one for the slightly schitzoid, spiritually harrassed, pendant-phobia
>types, myself.)

	Cats? Here's a story I wrote in a pique after reading this
article.

	Catman
	------
		Copyright 1992 James Bowen

	So we're in the Chat. Guy walks in, real tight jumpsuit, playboy
bunny ears. "Oh shit," Ratz says.
	"Miaow," sez the guy.
	Ratz buries his head in his hands.
	The guy prowls around the room, going Miaow. "Oh, shit," Ratz says,
in between spasms of laughter.
	"Miaow, miaow, miaow."
	I light a cig and watch the guy. Pretty entertaining.
	The guy stops beside a foxy lady, kneels, and begins to preen
himself. Literally. He starts licking his hands - forepaws - uck, I
wonder, what the hell's on those mitts? God knows how much toxo you    
scrape up crawling around the city.
	"Oh, shit," the girl says.
	"Hey man," the guy who brought her snarls, "whassa prob, eh?"
	"I'm a cat," the guy sez. "Miaow."
	"You expect me to believe that?" the guy replies, bunching his hands
into fists.
	"Miaow," the guy says. He shows the man his paws.
	There's the sound of ripping cloth. I have my head down, pulling a
drag from the cig, long enough to miss three long metal claws shooting out
of the guys hands.
	"CIRS," someone mutters. "Syndrome. Got it baaad."
	"Miaow," the guy says.
	"Chill," the girl says to her piece. "'Sides, he's cute."
	"CIRS, I'm telling you, man."
	Ratz is trying really hard not to laugh. He sucks.
	"Miaow, miaow, miaow."
	"Grrr," the girl's 'put says in a bulldog voice.
	If the cat-guy had hackles, they'd rise. "Miaooooowwww..."
	I look away, hear a scream, tearing leather. The girl yells, and
the cat-guy bounds away, skitters onto some suit's table.
	"Holy shit, holy shit," the suit says.
	I swivel around, look at the guy, perched on the table. Over just
outside my peripheral, I can hear Ratz pulling his shotgun off the rack. I
look at the guy's claws. Blood.
	Then I turn, look at the girl and her input, who's sprawled over
the table, bleeding vicious. "Shit." I say it like I'm praying.
	The guy on the table turns to Ratz, and then to me. I can see his
eyes.  I can see his pupils. Something wrong.
	"I am Catman," says. "Hear me roar." And then he backflips out the
door.

--jb  
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: tony@jim.csc.ncsu.edu (Jaeger)
Subject: View from a Bar, 0/1
Summary: Preview
Organization: Jim.csc.ncsu.edu  - Daniels DECstation 3100
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:26:31 GMT

After worrying about what to write and who to write it as, I wrote the
following two pieces, one after another, in about thirty minutes. This
means they're probably shoddy pieces of work; but I wasn't intending to
post anything of great virtue. Comments, criticism, Virtual letter bombs,
etc. accepted.
	Tony
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Bananafish? Where?)
Subject: JADED EYES (pt 1 of 3)
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:27:04 GMT

Yet more stuff - looks like my brain is starting to fire on all
four pistons again (I'm old-school, okay?).

---------------------------------------------
JADED EYES (SO NIEVE)
a play in three acts
by Joshua Houk
---------------------------------------------

PART ONE
--------

*dramatis personae*
Angel: A young girl in her early teens, dressed casually for whatever
       time period you think this is set in. Everything about her
       implies everything innocent, wholesome, kind and good.
Ratz:  The barkeep. You know.
Patrons: Everybody in the chatsubo that you can think of. And then
	 some. Everyone's loaded up with weapons, dressed way too
	 fancifully, and makes trivial conversation - which is
	 indiscernable from the audience's perspective anyway,
	 so I guess they could be talking about something
	 improtant. Who knows?

Setting: The Chatsubo. Mid-afternoon. A very sunny day, if the
	 subo has windows. If not - the atmosphere of the bar
	 should be abnormally cheerful and clean. Smile!

[Lights go up. The chatsubo is crowded to the hilt. Everyone's
chattering away. Ratz is serving drinks non-stop. This continues
for five to ten minutes, when ANGEL enters...]

ANGEL: (entering from stage right, carrying a basket of brightly-
       colored flowers) 

       Hi everybody!

       (ANGEL smiles broadly.)

[All PATRONS immediately turn towards ANGEL, then fire every weapon
at their disposal towards the young girl. The room smells of
gunpowder and ozone. The walls turn red. The smoke clears.]

RATZ: Ain't it senseless? (shrugs)

[PATRONS go back to their general chatting about. Curtain falls.]

-FIN PART ONE-

---------------------------------------------

More to come. Yay. Comments and criticism appreciated - but read into
it first, okay? Thanks....


Joshua Houk
-- 
houk@athena.cs.uga.edu * jhouk@nyx.cs.du.edu * indie-list co-moderator
Spy kitty, go back inside.
     - Bricks
From: tony@jim.csc.ncsu.edu (Tony Bensinger)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Is Angst measured in Angstroms?
Organization: Jim.csc.ncsu.edu  - Daniels DECstation 3100
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:12:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.171812.1619@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> JENKINS@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Kent Jenkins) writes:
>If you think there are a lot of stories out there with the Lone Wolf theme, you
>should see how many people out there think they're /cats/.
>
>(I'm one for the slightly schitzoid, spiritually harrassed, pendant-phobia
>types, myself.)


	So we're in the Chat. Guy walks in, real tight jumpsuit, playboy
bunny ears. "Oh shit," Ratz says.
	"Miaow," sez the guy.
	Ratz buries his head in his hands.
	The guy prowls around the room, going Miaow. "Oh, shit," Ratz says,
in between spasms of laughter.
	"Miaow, miaow, miaow."
	I light a cig and watch the guy. Pretty entertaining.
	The guy stops beside a foxy lady, kneels, and begins to preen
himself. Literally. He starts licking his hands - forepaws - uck, I
wonder, what the hell's on those mitts? God knows how much toxicity you
scrape up crawling around the city.
	"Oh, shit," the girl says.
	"Hey man," the guy who brought her snarls, "whassa prob, eh?"
	"I'm a cat," the guy sez. "Miaow."
	"You expect me to believe that?" the guy replies, bunching his hands
into fists.
	"Miaow," the guy says. He shows the man his paws.
	There's the sound of ripping cloth. I have my head down, pulling a
drag from the cig, long enough to miss three long metal claws shooting out
of the guys hands.
	"CIRS," someone mutters. "Syndrome. Got it baaad."
	"Miaow," the guy says.
	"Chill," the girl says to her piece. "'Sides, he's cute."
	"CIRS, I'm telling you, man."
	Ratz is trying really hard not to laugh. He sucks.
	"Miaow, miaow, miaow."
	"Grrr," the girl's 'put says in a bulldog voice.
	If the cat-guy had hackles, they'd rise. "Miaooooowwww..."
	I look away, hear a scream, tearing leather. The girl yells, and
the cat-guy bounds away, skitters onto some suit's table.
	"Holy shit, holy shit," the suit says.
	I swivel around, look at the guy, perched on the table. Over just
outside my peripheral, I can hear Ratz pulling his shotgun off the rack. I
look at the guy's claws. Blood.
	Then I turn, look at the girl and her input, who's sprawled over
the table, bleeding vicious. "Shit." I say it like I'm praying.
	The guy on the table turns to Ratz, and then to me. I can see his
eyes.  I can see his pupils. Something wrong.
	"I am Catman," says. "Hear me roar." And then he backflips out the
door.

--tony
From: v067rcyf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Lupine Character Types
Summary: Lupine, Wolf, Schmolf
Keywords: Is Angst measured in Angstroms?
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov15.171812.1619@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, JENKINS@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Kent Jenkins) writes...
>If you think there are a lot of stories out there with the Lone Wolf theme, you
>should see how many people out there think they're /cats/.

or aardvarks, for that matter...
---------------------------------------aardvark

> 
>(I'm one for the slightly schitzoid, spiritually harrassed, pendant-phobia
>types, myself.)
> 
>---
>Kent Jenkins	| He who fights with monsters might take care,
>("Thenomain")	| lest he thereby become a monster.
>		| And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
>		| the abyss gazes also into you.  -- Nietzsche
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: parker@cs.curtin.edu.au (John Parker)
Subject: Neuromancer Expanded Book
Summary: Should I Buy This Program?
Keywords: Neuromancer Gibson Mac Expanded Book
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:29:12 GMT

Hey, I saw this thing advertised only about a week ago, and I know where to
buy it. Is it worth $40 aust(approx $25US)? I have a Mac+ and 2.5Meg+harddisk.
I can Just run it. Should I save my pesos for more memory instead?

Just Wondering (maybe that should be Wandering)
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From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: what to pack for cyber-travel
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:44:14 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

O.k.  I've changed my thesis idea a bit and need some input.  Here goes
with my question:
If you were to travel into cyberspace (sorta like what was done in TRON)
what things would you bring?  A laptop computer doesn't mean squat since
you are already inside the computer.  I know we are all in cyberspace already
I'm doing a thesis on the idea of actually TRAVELLING INSIDE the machines
in cyberspace.  Any info would be appreciated.
 - Thanks
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf.written
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:57:17 -0500 
From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF

Well, if you want a book with very little consistent character
development, a plotline that must've confused the author, and character
interaction which is just short of comical, but is just chock full of
interesting ideas, pick up a copy of George Zebrowski's "Stranger Suns".
 I personally couldn't read it, although I generally enjoy books with
nifty ideas, just so long as they don't butcher the plot too much.
On the other hand, if you are like me and find SF more interesting if it
centers on the characters and their stories, and delegates the
technology to the background (the way we treat it in day to day life),
read any of David Brin's books.  My personal favorites are "The Practice
Effect" and "Startide Rising".
--------------
Disclaimer:  If anything I have said has offended you, I promise not to
infringe on your right to just look away from the screen and ignore what
I'm saying.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: The WunderKompf & Paul J. Furio
Subject: Re: Neuromancer: Movie
Reply-To: furiop@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polysacheride Substitute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:57:32 GMT

	Well, before we start casting net members, we need a script.  Any takers?  I would gladly write one but as finals are coming up, I am a bit out of time.  Still...
	Also, is anyone wants to start volunteering music skills, perhaps a demo tape would be good.  Where to send it, I know not yet, but I'm sure we will think of something.
	We could get Ross Perot to fund the movie.  After all, he funds MIT's robot bugs project...

-- 

"And somewhere he was laughing, in a white painted loft, distant
fingers caressing the deck, tears of release streaking his face."
				-William Gibson, NEUROMANCER

"Make it so." - Captain Picard
"Damn." - Will Riker
"Bark Bark Bark Bark!" - Dr. Beverly Crusher

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mfreund@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark W Freund)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer: Movie
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:02:52 GMT

In article <#+21+=r@rpi.edu> furiop@rpi.edu writes:
>	Indeed.  I have been desiging "Cyberspace" scenes on my Amiga using 3D rendering and hand drawn methods for over a year now and what I create has been quite a bit different from the "Lawnmower Man" vision of Cyberspace.  I am sure there are others out there who also have unique visions of cyberspace that, while original, are still valid and close interpretations of Gibson's idea of the Matrix.
>	An interesting idea (that would most likely flop flat on it's face) would be for the people on this net to make the Neuromancer movie themselves.  Unfortunately, without major actors or a major production house behind them, it would not sell.  I am, however, confident that we posess the skill to make the movie ourselves...

I'm quite sure that out of the volume we have here on the net, at least a few
will be adequate actors, and we probably even have people here who would be
willing to make it possible except for one important thing...
	Who's gonna supply the money to make a major motion picture?
I understand that most movies these days run accounts of millions of dollars.
If any of you out there have a few million to spare though, by all means, say
something!

Ozymandias - Who would love to see Neuromancer the Movie
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: "norman danner" <ndanner@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Unicorn scene in Bladerunner
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:44:51 -0500

In article <Kane.51.0@Xanadu.com> Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane) writes:
>...The "unicorn scene" is just his equating Rachel 
>with a mythical beast, she is both alluring and myterious.

Is this an opinion, or is it from the story?

-- 
Norman Danner                    | The only difference between mathematicians
The Semantic Nihilist            |  and philosophers is that mathematicians
ndanner@indiana.edu              |      throw away their scratch paper.
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy)
Subject: cyberpunk book to movies, an example  was Re: Neuromancer: Movie
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:57:53 GMT

In article <1equ83INN7b9@iraul1.ira.uka.de> S_SAMSO@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Hermann Samso) writes:
>


> ... it's just my bad experience with book
> to movie conversions: none of them (at least the conversions I've
> seen) had any comparision with the book. 



	Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, by Tom Stoppard, has a wonderful
screen adaptation.  Tom Stoppard wrote the screen play.



-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf.written
From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Technology in the Background (was Re: Diamond-hard SF)
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:51:45 GMT

In article <of2RgxW00WB=FlcGtC@andrew.cmu.edu> Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>On the other hand, if you are like me and find SF more interesting if it
>centers on the characters and their stories, and delegates the
>technology to the background (the way we treat it in day to day life),
> [...]

	Has anyone else attempted to watch a contemporary film from 
the POV of a hypothetical viewer from the past? It is difficult to
notice technological changes between, say, the 1950s to 1990s, even
though they are many, either because they are concealed serving  in
the role  of   older  tools, or because the manner in which they
are displayed makes it hard to figure out what the device in question
does.

	Personal computers stand  out. Very little else does.

							James Nicoll
From: bkoike@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Bryce Koike)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sex & Violence (was cyberpunk at the arcades)
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:54:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <By3uvL.27y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek) writes:
>
>	Yes, but rememember that America is a Christian nation which holds the

	And what about Great Britain, France, Germany....?

	And whose version of Christianity?  And whose opinion are
you using?  The vast majority of people I know are agnostic with a
few Christians and Buddhists thrown in.  Of course then one could
argue that America is losing its religion (sigh), but I don't
consider myself an immoral human being and I've never had religion
to begin with.  (And I've never been to a Christian church I've been
able to stomach...and I can name several Christians who are, if
anything, hurting this society more than helping.)
	...etc...

>deeply held family value that sex for pleasure is evil. Violence, however, is

	Uh, the vast majority of Americans have been using sex for
pleasure since the sixties (smile)...and I don't think that I need
to talk about Europe.  (Or are they just One Big Heathen Nation?
Hmn....)

>hardly ever pleasurable by both parties for we're confusued as to what to think
>about that.

	Christianity, or at least in the Christian Bible, says Thou
Shalt Not Kill.  I think that's a pretty good message as to whether
or not we're supposed to enjoy violence.
	BUT when you get down to things, it's just American sexual
repression that we're talking about and not religion.  America
hasn't ever had a real "violence repression" (or gore repression...
people have been reading about gore/disgusting things for a long,
long time...smile).  Europe isn't as repressed sexually (good or
bad, I don't know.  I do laugh sometimes at the social taboos we
force on ourselves...), and so they have a different sort of culture
which is more comfortable with certain things, like nudity.
Americans sit around and say that naked people are sick and nasty
(woe for he or she who uses the shower without a swimsuit...) and in
the process they turn it into something that it isn't.  Pity.

>	If it were my choice - I'd go for the sex... I like it to be fun
>for both people involved.

	You heathen!  (grin.  Oops, add several Jews and Mormons to
my list.  In fact, the Jews and Mormons outnumber the Christians so
far as people I know are concerned...)
From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: BS in the nets
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:32:30 PST
Organization: BBS

Whats up twith the God/Paganism reorts and the Golden Rule twists?

Over the past 40 posts probably 25% of them were about these two subject (oh
and throw in a few on the feelings of homosexuals) which I dont seem to see any
bearing to any nature or cp.  Maybe these people just havnt read the FAQs?

 bliss
PHATE
From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industria
Date: 19 Nov 1992 12:06:44 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

Can we kill this thread now, or at least move it to the proper newsgroup?  I
think we originally were talking about men/women issues in the sci-fi genre,
yes?


______________________________________________________
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my virtual spheres of consciousness can be reached at:
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek)
Subject: Re: cyberpunk at the arcades
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:05:40 GMT

	My only problem with this game is that in trying to make the blood stand
out more - they made it a bit unrealistic. It looks more like globs of pizza
sauce than blood.

	What what that you said about being able to pull out the other guys
spine? KOOL!!! I wasn't good enough to get to that part.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: JGUSCOTT@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: TEChnophilia
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:01:38 GMT

 
I am writing a book called Technophilia, which is a sourcebook/guide
covering the following topics-
 
* Affordable Virtual Reality
* Nootropics
* The Computer Underground
* Industrial and Cyberculture
* AI/Robots/A-life
* Brain Machines
 
 
If you have a zine, group, BBS, etc, and would like to be included in
the book, please e-mail me at the below address.
 
If you are interested in the above, feel free to send me comments,
suggestions, or ideas (ie, what would you LIKE to see that you haven't
in other books).
 
Basically, I'm trying to make this book as PRACTICAL as possible to
the average person.  Street-tech and homebrew suggestions/contributions
are especially encouraged.
 
I've been working on this book for about a year now, and hope to
have it off to publishers by January.
 
Thanks for everyone's help!
 
 
John Guscott
JGUSCOTT@kentvm.kent.edu
 
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:5934 alt.industrial:795 alt.sex:36742 alt.sex.bondage:22388
From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:31:29 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <KAYVAN.92Nov13140101@satyr.Sylvan.COM> kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>
>   If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>   them do unto you", 
>
>But I *do* unto others as I would have them do unto me! Whips, chains,
>cuffs etc... :-)
>
>But seriously, I think the golden rule should really be: "Do unto
>others as *they* would have you do unto them."
>
>			---Kayvan
--------------------------
Problem with that one, Kayvan. You become their slave. You have to do
whatever they want, and then they do too, so nobody can figure out
what to do, they are all so worn out following each other around and
asking what they should do. :)  Also, it precludes telling them
anything they don't want to hear. I don't recall Jesus being said to
have done that. I think the Golden Rule is a fairy tale. People work
things out, even if they do it with unwritable algorithms.
- Steve

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