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From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Is there a PICO Unix - dired / utree??
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:35:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.063119.23409@dmp.csiro.au> lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) writes:
>bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan7.063127.11766@dmp.csiro.au> lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) writes:
>
ou c>>>You might also want to look into Xtree for UNIX.  If Xtree for
>>>DOS is popular on your PCs, it should help protecting users
>>>against the nuances of the UNIX command line.

>>We have two free (anonymous ftp) programs that provide similar functionality:
>>dired (sort of like Norton Commander) and utree (which sounds similar to
>>xtree).  Both installed easiliy on our Suns.  
>
>Would it be possible for someone to give a review of these
>dired and utree programs.

dired shows the files in your current directory in a list, sort of like ls -al
does.  You move through the list with the cursor, execute the commands
with a keystroke.  There is no help bar on screen, but the commands are
intuitive and hitting "?" brings up a list of commands.  Hitting "e" on a
directory moves you into that directory, but you basically see one
directory at a time.

utree shows your entire directory structure in a tree form.  If you hit
enter on a directory, you get a list of the files in it.  There is an
on-screen help bar.  utree is not as fast as dired; there's a noticable
pause when you try to view oor edit a file.

>
>My queries are, -  like xtree - do they use one keystroke commands
>to copy, rename, delete, makedir  etc.  Also, can you highlight a file
>then edit it (type "e" for edit); 

Yes to all of these for both programs.

>or type something 
>like "x" to execute (xtreegold) 

utree: If you type "x"  on an executable file, utree will execute it.  You
can also execute user-defined commands.  I'm not sure about shell commands.
You can also tag a group of files and perform the same operation on all of
them.  Extensively configurable to user preferences.

dired: You can execute any shell command, with a parameter replaced by the
current file name; or you can re-execute the previous command replacing
the previous file-name with the current file name.

In general, utree is fancier than dired, but dired is faster.

>I know of a couple of users who use PICO as a file manager
>as well - but its not really made (yet?) for this function.
>Given what a brilliant job the programmers of PICO have done, a "full"
>file manager incorperated with PICO would be a nice feature.
 
PICO is an editor for the novice user, and its file manager is consistent
with this philosophy.

Barbara Vaughan
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: compiling GNU programs
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:17:00 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <9301061806.aa11672@ohriman.ohriman.mi.org> jep@ohriman.mi.org writes:
>	Thanks!  Mike Trim also saw my plea and suggested I try GNU make.
>That also got me past the 'end of file unexpected' error.  Like you,
>my compilation eventually got stuck in CursesW.  Has anyone else had
>this problem and resolved it?

Getting the curses file to work took some doing. After pulling my
hair out for hours I found three problems:

1) 	Line 305 of tinfo.h has:

	#if _cplusplus
	
	which should be:
	
	#if __cplusplus
	
	Note that if you run fixincludes on gcc 3.2.3 that fixes it.

2)	The definition of mvwaddch in tinfo.h (line 218) is wrong
           mvwaddch(WINDOW *, int, int),

	should be:

           mvwaddch(WINDOW *, int, int, char),

3)	In term.h (line 68) lines is defined:

	#define lines                           CUR _c3

	You need to #undef lines somewhere else (I think I did that in
	tinfo.h also) like so:

	#if __cplusplus
	#ifdef lines
	#undef lines
	#endif
	#endif

	You could do this somewhere in the libg++ source if you prefer.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general,comp.editors
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Is there a PICO Unix - dired / utree??
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 23:22:26 GMT

In <1993Jan8.163540.27341@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
...lots of good comparisons between utree and dired deleted...
;>I know of a couple of users who use PICO as a file manager
;>as well - but its not really made (yet?) for this function.
;>Given what a brilliant job the programmers of PICO have done, a "full"
;>file manager incorperated with PICO would be a nice feature.
; 
;PICO is an editor for the novice user, and its file manager is consistent
;with this philosophy.

The only pico I found looking through recent postings to the
sources newsgroups and the uunet archive listings was a picture
editor for sun/mips.  Is this the same pico being discussed in
this thread?  If not -- where are the sources available?

Bill
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From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Imake & sco.cf
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:27:19 GMT
Reply-To: jpr@jpr.com
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
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Renaldo Recuerdo writes:
> Jean-Pierre Radley <jpr@jpradley.jpr.com| writes:
> 
> | ODT 2.0
> |I'm getting tired of editing Makefiles by hand.
> 
> |Has anyone fixed up /usr/lib/X11/configure/sco.cf to have imake
> |produce Makefiles that would use the shared C and the shared X libraries?
> ==========================================================================
> What i have done is to edit /usr/lib/X11/config/project.tmpl and change
> #define UseSharedLibraries NO
> to
> #define UseSharedLibraries YES
> 
> I don't know if this is the recommended or "best" solution.

Gee, don't leave me hanging... What's at least a "better" solution?

-- 
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From: russ@bbx.basis.com (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Is BBx Progression 3/4 supported on SCO NFS?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:42:18 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <2817@twg.bc.ca> bill@twg.bc.ca (Bill Irwin) writes:
>I have installed NFS on two systems, both running BBx Progression
>accounting applications.  Users on each system need to access the
>other system's BBx application, so each system's home BBx
>directory (containing programs and data subdirectories) is NFS
>mounted on the other system.
>
>When a user on system A opens a file using BBx and a user on
>system B tries to open the same file (located in an NFS mounted
>directory on system B), an error code 0 is received (file
>busy/locked).  This particular file in never really locked in a
>local application, simply a record is extracted for reading.
>
>In a local environment, dozens of users could read this file
>simultaneously.  In an NFS environment, having one remote user
>reading the file makes it locked for a local user.  It was
>suggested to check with J.P.  Brown (Canadian distributors for
>Basis of BBx) to see if the product even runs in an NFS
>environment.  I will be doing this on Monday, but thought I would
>see if anyone has had any experience with this.

Sure, I have a bit of experience with this.  File locking under NFS
has always had a history of trouble, but I suspect that the issue that
you're having is a bit different.

BBx4 (due to historical constraints) notifies other processes that it
has a particular file open by locking a small piece of the file.  On
versions of BBx prior to BBx4 this piece was selected by starting at a
high (and nonexistent) address and attempting locks until one worked. 
On BBx4 the lock bit is allocated at the time the process is started.
This works well on a local filesystem, but on a remote can fail.

There is a workaround in the SETOPTS options - byte 4, bit $40$, when
set, will allow the lock bit to "float" and act as it did in BBx3 and
earlier.  If you are mising BBx3 and BBx4 you'll *have* top set this
bit.

Please be aware that even getting past this initial issue you are
likely to have performance problems - BBx is a trasaction based file
manager, and doesn't function well over something like NFS.  There are
client/server versions available for SCO Xenix if the performance is
unsatisfactory.  There are also historical problems in file locking
over NFS as well, and it's possible that you'll encounter some of
those (like really, really bad performance).

If you do have further trouble contact Mike Rainbird at JP Brown and
I'm sure that he'll be able to help you.


-- 
Russ Kepler, Basis International Ltd. russ@bbx.basis.com  phone: 505-345-5232

                 Do not throw rocks at this signature
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: mitra@pandora.sf.ca.us (Mitra)
Subject: Re: compiling GNU programs
Organization: Pandora Systems
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:55:47 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Can someone send me the instructions for get gcc 2.3.3 running (under
SCO 3.2.2) I've problems with fileno not being defined, its in
/usr/include/stdio.h but one of the ifdef's seems to be wrong to include
it?

- Mitra

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From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Performance questions. Benchmarks?
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:22:55 GMT

In <9301061759.aa22421@scoke.sco.COM> Bela Lubkin <belal@sco.COM> writes:
.....
:Another distinguishing characteristic of the 486 is reduced instruction
:timings over the 386.  How does the Cyrix compare in that department?
:The three distinguishing characteristics of the 486 over the 386 are
:internal cache (partially obviated by Cyrix), the integrated FPU
:(obviated by all the SX's & SLC's), and instruction timings.  I hate it
:when the lines get all blurry like this...  Like, as far as I could
:tell, at the end of it all, the difference between an IBM PC and an IBM
:XT was the number of slots, and the difference between an IBM XT and an
:IBM AT was the height of each slot.  Every other difference was broken
:by some pair of machines ("diskless XT" broke the "XT has a hard disk"
:rule, "XT 286" broke the "AT has a 286, XT has an 8088" rule, etc.)

Bela.  All Intel architecture machines are broken :-).  Don't you
remember when the XT came out (or was it the AT) that the saying
was that they with two kinds of hard disks -- those that had
failed and those that will fail :-).

Bill
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From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: cache design parameters
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:41:43 GMT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

Bela Lubkin <belal@sco.COM> writes:

> Any specific example is going to be a brand name, no?  ;-}

   Not necessarily; we might see someone mention that they recently acquired a 
no-name special from a local distributor with an unpronounceable (but, he's 
told, Korean) name which breaks the 64K cache to 16 MB RAM ratio.

   I also have a completely unfounded theory that this ratio applies to 
direct-mapped cache; I'd like to know if the characteristics of set-
associative cache controllers are different.

  Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
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           And the meaning of all that I believed before escapes me
                  In this world of none, no thing, and no one
                            - Genesis, _Afterglow_
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From: larryp@sco.COM (Larry Philps)
Subject: Re: nead TIOCNOTTY define for SCO ODT 1.1
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 15:00:53 GMT

In <1992Dec28.085005.531@rivers> acs_brath@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

> I have unix 3.2.2 or ODT 1.1 and when I try to compile several programs
> They ask for the define TIOCNOTTY and I have no Idea where it is.
> I have greped every .h file on the system with no luck.
> is there a compatibility library out there or an i down the creak without a
> paddle.

That is the BSD ioctl to detach the current process from it controlling
tty.  System V does support that ioctl, but you can accomplish the same
thing in a different manner.  Instead of opening /dev/tty and issuing
the TIOCNOTTY request, just issue a call to the function setpgrp.
That should do it.

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Postman:  130 Bloor St. West, 10th floor, Toronto, Ontario.  M5S 1N5
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Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Project Management Software Required
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:35:08 GMT

In <1993Jan11.091058.23346@gsesco.DIALix.oz.au> greg@gsesco.DIALix.oz.au (Greg Wake) writes:

:	I am chasing some Project Management Software for 
:	SCO Unix.

:  	I am specifically after :

:		1. Prices
:		2. Useability
:		3. Support Character based terminals
:		4. Run on SCO Unix 3.2V4
:		5. Flexability
:		6. Personal Experiences

:	If anyone has some information, either Email it to me
:	to the address below, or post it to this newsgroup.

I'm running the DOS TimeLine 5.0 under Merge.  I don't remember
the price exactly, but it was somewhere around $500.00 at Egghead
software.  I compared it originally to MS Project under windows
and it was no contest!  MS-Project was a dog in comparison.

TimeLine should run on character terminals although I prefer to
run it under PC-Interface on a DOS PC.  It provides resource
leveling and the ability to split effort on tasks which makes it
quite useful from my standpoint.  I don't claim to be an expert
in project management software, but TimeLine was quite highly
rated on the PC rags (but what do they know :-).

Bill
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From: vijay@controls.ccd.harris.com (Vijay Ruhela)
Subject: Problem with "hwconfig" and creating new serial devices
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:58:07 GMT

Hi Netter:

I am having some problem setting up a modem using uucp(cu) in my SCO Unix.
Something strange is happening since I upgraded the stuff to latest
version. Any cange in hardware configuration does not reflect in the
/usr/adm/hwconfig file or the result of "hwconfig". Even if I remove the
mouse of reinstall with a different vector it still keeps showing my
old configuration.(Although at boot time it shows the correct one).

Also trying to make a serial device for my modem has no affect. There is
no serail device that is made which I can see either at boot time or later
using "hwconfig".

Any pointers will highly appreciated. I wasted 3 hrs yestarday just trying
to do this negative progress.(I have to reinstall the mouse now.).

Thanks.

Vijay
From: tps@jptcs.COM (Tim Sailer)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: UUCP over TCP/IP
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:08:08 GMT
Distribution: biz
Organization: JPT Computer Solutions
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


OK... all this is fine and good for 3.2.4, but how about poor people like me
that still have 3.2.2? uucpd is not on the system... :(  Is there any way
to get uucp to work over TCP on 3.2.2?

-- 
Tim Sailer
JPT Computer Solutions - SCO Sales/Consulting/Administration and Mangling
PO Box 423 Mt Sinai, NY 11766
(516) 331-9001
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From: greg@gsesco.DIALix.oz.au (Greg Wake)
Subject: Project Management Software Required
Organization: Geographe Software Engineering
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 09:10:58 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	I am chasing some Project Management Software for 
	SCO Unix.

  	I am specifically after :

		1. Prices
		2. Useability
		3. Support Character based terminals
		4. Run on SCO Unix 3.2V4
		5. Flexability
		6. Personal Experiences

	If anyone has some information, either Email it to me
	to the address below, or post it to this newsgroup.

	Thanks in advance!!!

-- 
**********************************************************************
Greg Wake                             Geographe Software Engineering  
                                      Bunbury  6230
greg@gsesco.DIALix.oz.au              Western Australia
From: hannani@ee.fit.edu (Shoebe Kanoebe)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Generic SCO version????
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:50:02 GMT
Organization: Florida Tech, CP/EE Dept.


Does anybody know if there is a generic SCO version available commercially?
I will greatly appreciate any related information. Thank You.

email reply to: hannani@ee.fit.edu 
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: the RTS/CTS story, Re: UUCP woes on 3.2.0 to 3.2.4 upgrade
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 16:34:09 GMT

In <9301040216.aa06613@scoke.sco.COM> Bela Lubkin <belal@sco.COM> writes:
....LOTS OF GOOD STUFF DELETED.....
:A mystery remains.  The sio driver explicitly declines to do hardware
:flow control on a local connection, defined by the setting of the CLOCAL
:bit.  That doesn't jive with the setting of CLOCAL here.

:... so I check the source.  cu & uucico call a routine "fixline" (you
:can see it in the -x9 output) which, among other things, turns CLOCAL
:off if the system you're connecting to is not "Direct"; and turns it
:*on* if it is.  So the next surprise waiting is that flow control
:*still* won't work between direct systems.  hmmm.

For direct connections you might create a Devices entry something
to the effect:
	LOCAL ttyA8 - 38400 dialLOC
with Systems entries like:
	sysname Any LOCAL 38400 ""...

dialLOC would be a dialer program/script that didn't dial, but
could do any other ioctl munging required.  This way it wouldn't
mess with the CLOCAL and flow control would work.
......
>>Bela<
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From: bill@twg.bc.ca (Bill Irwin)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.opendesktop
Subject: Re: MMDF with TCP/IP (smtp)
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:32:29 GMT
Reply-To: bill@twg.bc.ca (Bill Irwin)
Organization: The Westrheim Group, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

jaa@world.std.com (Jerry A Abramson) writes:

: I have been trying to set up MMDF to allow mail to LAN connected nodes
: using the mail/mailx program without any luck.  I have studied the
: 1.1 Admin guide (checking 2.0 admin guide for any clues).  Set up
: a UUCP connection and mmdf UUCP channel/domain no problem.

If lunar is on your LAN, then you need to put it into your
smtp.dom file.  Also, restart your deliver daemon with
"-clocal,uucp,smtp", so it will process the smtp channel.











~ When I try to send a message as follows:

:       $ mail jaa@lunar
:       Subject: testing

:       1
:       2
:       3
:       EOT
:       $

: I get the following response:

:       $ mail
:       SCO System V Mail (version 3.2)  Type ? for help.
:       "/usr/spool/mail/jaa": 1 message 1 new
:       >N  1 mmdf             Wed Dec 30 11:44   24/606   Failed mail
:       & 1
:       Message  1:
:       From mmdf Wed Dec 30 11:44:26 1992
:       From: MMDF Mail System <mmdf@voicetek.UUCP>
:       To: jaa
:       Subject: Failed mail
:       Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:43:41 EST
:       Message-ID:  <9212301143.aa04692@vtkapp.voicetek.UUCP>
:       Status: R
: 	
: 	Trouble sending mail on vtkapp.voicetek.UUCP:
: 	
: 	============ Transcript follows ============
: 	
: 	(BHST) Unknown host/domain name in "jaa@lunar"
: 	Submit error: [ No such file or directory ] No valid addresses
: 	
: 	============== Message follows =============
: 	From: jaa@voicetek.UUCP (Jerold A. Abramson)
: 	X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2)
: 	To: jaa@lunar
: 	Subject: testing
: 	Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:43:40 EST
: 	
: 	1
: 	2
: 	3
: 	&	
: 	
: The MMDF log file (/usr/mmdf/log/msg.log) has the following fatal error:

: 12/30 11:43:41 submit4691:  [SYSERR (2) No such file or directory]  err [ ABEND
: (NDEL) ]   No valid addresses
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From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.opendesktop
Subject: Infinite streams buffer usage on ODT 2.0
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:25:16 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

On one of our main servers, running ODT 2.0, we get frequent streams buffer
errors, and the number of errors seems to be constant no matter how many
streams buffers are added.

The errors definitely come in surges, and eventually cause TCP/IP to fail.
After the system is up for a few days (sometimes hours), it will get
hundreds or thousands of streams buffer errors, as reported by netstat -m,
all at once.  This will keep happening every few hours (sometimes minutes)
until TCP/IP stops working completely and the system has to be rebooted.
Boosting the number of streams buffers, again and again and again, has had
no appreciable impact on the number of errors.

The system is a mail gateway (medium traffic), nameserver (medium traffic)
and news server (high traffic), but when we look around immedately after a
buffer error surge, there's no evidence of anything unusual happening.

Anyone have any suggestions?  Is there any way of telling which processes
are consuming streams buffers, and how many?

-- 
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1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
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From: sengillo@music.Kodak.COM (Alan Sengillo)
Subject: epoch
Reply-To: sengillo@Kodak.COM
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:05:11 GMT

-- 

Has anyone got epoch to compile under SCO? When I try to run it, I get the
following error message:

Xlib:  sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x41) in reply type 0x0!
Xlib:  sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x41) in reply type 0x2!
Xlib:  sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x41) in reply type 0x0!
Xlib:  sequence lost (0x10042 > 0x41) in reply type 0x9c!
Xlib:  sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x41) in reply type 0x2!



	Alan Sengillo

	sengillo@Kodak.COM		Eastman Kodak Compnay
					901 ElmGrove Road
	(716) 726-9716			Rochester, New York 14653-5108
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