HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: A Most Pressing COncern
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:06:17 GMT

In article <Bvsqz3.1L4@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:
>In article <1avrpqINNsvg@bigboote.WPI.EDU> walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker) writes:
>>
>>>Orgasms, in the main, are messy things,
>>>and Really are not the sort of things
>>>that decent persons with good personal
>>>hygeine standards would wish to involve
>>>themselves in/with/towards.
>>
>>	Sounds like this person can't get their rocks off to me.
>>Its only messy if you shoot somebody in the face or your so wet that
>>you flood your bedroom.
>
>  What does this have to do with Bush?

I suppose this deserves at least one serious answer:

The Republicans have elected to make Family Values a key issue in this
campaign.  Without going into a long discussion, I need only point to
Bush's veto of the Family Leave Act to show the falsity of their
position.

In addition, homosexual rights have become a major issue in Oregon and
Colorado.

Drieux, for those of you who haven't run into him before (primarily in
in talk.abortion, talk.bizarre, and soc.singles) is a satirist who tends
to x-post very heavily, into any newsgroup that has even the remotest
connection to the current topic.  Most of his recent articles revolve
around the following slogan: "Just say no to hetero!"

For some reason, most people have a great deal of difficulty
comprehending Drieux-speak, with the result that he resides in many kill
files.

(This article posted from soc.singles)
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Who needs Lime Jello [tm]?  We had lasagna.....
From: gt6367c@prism.gatech.EDU (DEAL, DOUGLAS WAYNE)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Clinton Clause is coming to town.
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:28:18 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Oh, as an addition to my last post.

Clinton says it is time for a change.  I am sure that is what 
was going through the minds of the people involved in the 1917 May Day
revolution, or even the French Revolution.  We do not need to change just
because someone say its time.  We need to analize what type of change is
suggested.  It is harmful?  Is it benefitial?  It is a real change, or is
it just resorting to failed policies of the past?  Consider this before
you cast your vote.  

America has been great for too long.  Its time for a change!
Vote for the democrats, who needs a solvent gov't anyway?

-- 
Douglas Wayne Deal
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Debate musings
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:30:44 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <Bw8869.Hvy@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:
>In article <farenebt.719208125@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy")) writes:
>>
>>Perot wsa a non-factor after winning the 1st debate. Too many
>>times, I heard him say, "This, like many other ideas, has tons
>>of proposals floating around in Washington but never got adopted..."
>>BUT HE NEVER SPECIFICALLY GAVE ONE EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING HE SUPPORTED.
>>He did this on gun control and on health care and, I believe, on
>>education. I couldn't stand it. Is it lying around the floor
>>on Washington? Perhaps. But why did he never give an example of
>>one he supported or would support or would propose!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I think we'll get the answers tonight and Saturday.  
>

I would have appreciated it if he had come up with something
substansive last night.  It would have made him look as if he knew
what he was talking about rather than just conjuring up a canned,
all-purpose, all-dancing answer.

	Everywhere was boundless divinity
	containing all astonishing things,
	wearing divine garlands and garments,
	annoited with divine perfume.		-- Bhagavad-Gita 11
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org (Jim Meritt)
Subject: Two birds with one stone
Organization: Mitre Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:05:24 GMT


Heard a clever idea from Clinton last night.  Have the de-military military
personnel join the police departments and have the time served there
count towards their military retirement.  Not bad at all.  Add the
medical facility access from the miitary and let the police departments
just pay their base salary and let the military pick up the benefits.


-- 
James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk ("Russell E. Whitaker")
From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)
Subject: Why Do Soak the Rich Schemes Always End Up Picking Everyone's Pocket?
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:38:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.172448.26837@cbnews.cb.att.com> jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.061208.15888@nuscc.nus.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>   "Mr. President, Read Our Lips: No New Taxes"
>>   by J. Peter Grace
>> 
>>   ...
>> 
>>   If 100 percent of all untaxed income in this country above $100,000 of
>>   taxable income were confiscated today, we would generate only enough
>>   money to run the government for 19 days -- less than three weeks. There
>>   simply is not enough money raised in the highest brackets to contribute
>>   meaningful amounts of revenue.
>> 
>>   They once asked the famous bank robber Willie Sutton why he robbed banks.
>>   He answered, "That's where the money is." And if you want to raise
>>   serious tax revenue in this country, you have to go to where the money
>>   is. Ninety percent of all taxable income in this country is generated in
>>   brackets of $45,000 and under. More than 75 percent is generated by
>>   people who make $25,000 or less each year. If politicians raise taxes, it
>>   is these people, not just the rich, who'll be soaked.
>> 
>>   ...
>
>Yet 10% (the rich) hold 90% of the wealth in this country. If what you say
>is true, then something is very wrong with our "tax" system. Those who
>have the least pay the most. I propose we tax the "holdings" of the
>rich and shake some of that 90% loose to cover the tax bill.

Well, at least you are being honest. But lets not beat around the
Bush.  What you propose is more properly described as redistribution
of wealth.  After all, it worked so well for Russia; its time we gave
unadulterated (sorry for the pun, Bill) marxism a try in the good ol'
USA. No more of this drip, drip, drip of creeping socialism that the
Bush administration cum Democratic Congress is giving us. What America
really needs right now is a tax on capital!

(Is there anyone out there who can still say that things can't possibly
From: gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: AIDS and Legislation of morality
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:26:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <schumach.718938584@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>Not telling kids about condoms because they might then go out and
>have sex, makes as much sense as not telling them about seat belts
>because they might then go out and drive.

Telling kids that condoms will protect them from a fatal disease makes
as much sense as telling them that seat belts will prevent them from
having a fatal accident.

-- 
Sean P. Ormond
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Bill Clinton '92 - "Read my lips: NEW TAXES"
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: The Mother of All Flame Wars, Part 3 of 4
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:54:07 GMT

In article <98012@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
    >In article <1992Oct8.164807.681@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com
    >(Phil Ronzone) writes:
    >
    >>In article <Bvs8IH.2Ks@unix.amherst.edu>
    >twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
    >
    >>>If Kinsey had included everyone *inclined* towards
    >>>homosexuality, [...] I would be surprised if this figure were
    >>>less than 30%!
    >>>
    >>Dream on.
    >>
    >Kinsey reported that 50% of the over 5,000 men in his study
    >had at least one homosexual fantasy in their lifetime.

Sloppy. Very very sloppy.

There is a WORLD of difference between a fantasy and inclination.

I may fantasize about walking into a bank and helping myself to
lots of money, but I have ZERO (0) inclination to be a bank
robber.



-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

If all the contributions of Dead White Males, a.k.a. Dead White Loathsome
Oppressors, were to vanish, you'd have the Politically Correct(tm) Loathsome
Oppressors using dull rocks to hunt and the Politically Correct Women of
Vision and Strength(tm) using leaves for tampons.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org (Jim Meritt)
Subject: Libertarian candidate on Larry King Live
Organization: Mitre Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:21:21 GMT

Each election I take a look at what Libertarians say about libertarians.
Usually this takes the form of reviewing the party platform and perusing
their press releases, but monday the Libertarian Party candidate for
President was on Larry King Live.

After giving a discussion on anti-quota legislation and such, using attendance
on Larry's show and access to restraunts as examples, he told a caller that
the party was looking into legal methods to force the presidential debate
committees to have him attend the debates.  Apparently the minor detail that
he would be using exactly the same US legal system for exactly the same reason
(to force someone to accept someone that they did not invite) didn't bother
him in the slightest. (and as for the argument that this is just working with
the system that exists, when precisely that was suggested by a caller he said
that would be like expecting jews to work with the nazis.  Apparently he
doesn't even SEE that is what he is doing.)

After giving a review of the top three presidential candidates, spearheading
his ranting ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h discussion of one by what the french think of
him and what THEY call him, he gave a caller a discussion on the worth of
independent and free thinking, not bothered by his immediately previous
argument using pleading from authority and that we should somehow be influenced
by how the europeans view the US governmental system.

After giving Larry an extensive review of the value of a zero federal tax rate,
he said that HE would have immediately called in the (mystically funded?)
federal military troops for disaster relier (when directly asked about
Hurricane Andrew)

He made extensive claims that the only political difference between HIS
candidacy and that of Perot was that Perot had money.  I must have missed
when the petitions got him personally on the presidential ballot on all 50
states.

If this is an example of their best, it is no wonder that after decades the
libertarian party is still a joke.  In my opinion, the disconnect from
the facts (included those presented by the candidate himself to support his
posturing) and the internal inconsistencies exhibited indicates that the
libertarian party would do for government what creationism does for science.
And in almost the same way.



-- 
James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Clinton waffling?
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:18:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.185752.10384@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington) writes:
>
>And according to opinion polls Clinton widened his lead by 6pts after
>the Moscow Affair... Nice try George...
>
>And according to opinion polls Bush's approval rating is at 34%... now
>there is the sign of a great leader... (excuse the laughing)...

Friday's WSJ noted that Bush's accusations along these lines have
raised Clinton's negative rating by about 3%.  Good news for the
Shrub.  The attacks also raised Bush's negative rating by 10%.  Bad
news for the Shrub.


--
"Moors."  "Moops."  "Moors."  "Moops."  Psssssssssssss.....
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From: ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: WANTED: Recommendation for electronic news service (like Reuters,etc.)
Summary: Want a recommendation
Keywords: electronic news service
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:17:28 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc

I feel like moving out of the 19th century and into the 21st by
giving up my beloved newspaper (the New York Times) and moving to a
newspaper in electronic format.  I don't know what is out there,
though, so I'm asking for any recommendations.  I especially like
the Op-Ed page of the NYT, which is what makes one paper different
from another.  Thanks in advance!

					Regards,

					Matt Harrington
From: benning@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:45:10 EST
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct12.130405.815@altair.selu.edu>, tmis1692@altair.selu.edu writes:
> What would happen if George Bush was Foreign Policy Director, Bill Clinton was
> Director of Social Programs and Ross Perot was the Manager of Economic
> Development and nobody was the president?
> 
> Just curious, 
> 
> Kevin Calmes - TMIS1692@selu.edu
> 

  nery nice. B-)

  Bruce B.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: Stockdale NAILED it!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:25:00 GMT

In article <ldrp3dINNled@spim.mti.sgi.com>, 
mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes...

>My wife can figure out when the car is broken, and even give me a list
>of the symptoms.  But when it needs fixing, we take it to someone who
>knows how cars work and how to fix them.  Perot and Stockdale are telling
>us what is wrong and what the symptoms are, but are they someone who
>knows how government works and how to fix it?

It ain't hard -- get rid of the thieving, scamming, slithering Democrats
and Republicans. After a $4 Trillion Dollar Debt, and ever year a bigger
federal budget even after the Gramm-Rudman lie, and the S&L scam, 
Defense Spending scam, and Hud scam -- how can there be any doubt???

Don't throw 'em out  ---  throw them in all in jail.

-- Stephen Tice
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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Clinton victory causes stock drop [was Re: Bush ...]
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:09:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct12.231803.14970@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>In article <1bavqoINNed7@overload.lbl.gov> bks@s27w007.pswfs.gov (Bradley K. Sherman) writes:
>>
>>A Bush victory in this manner would probably cause a true national
>   ^^^^
>Uh, you mispelled that .... its C-L-I-N-T-O-N.
>>depression. 
>
>As in:
>A Clinton victory in this manner would probably cause a true national
>depression. 


  Look, you two:  We're going to have a depression in either case.
  If we get serious about dealing with the deficit it will be sooner.
  If we don't it will be a bit later and a bit worse.   Both the Wall
  Street Journal and The New York Times have had extensive articles
  on Clinton's and Bush's proposed economic polices indicating that
  at the bottom line they are almost identical and the performance of
  the economy will depend far more on factors beyond the influence of
  either one than on any differences in their policies.    So argue
  about something more meaningful, OK?



>His likely victory has already sent the stock market sliding 10% in
>the last few weeks. :-) Only 90% left to go. :-(

  Even the Wall Street Journal doesn't think the markets' slide
  has anything to do with Clinton.   The developed world is going
  into the economic toilet, in case none of you have noticed.
  Business Week (current issue) suggests Italy may split up (inter-
  view with the Prime Minister).  Siemens is laying off a huge chunk
  of their semiconductor division, France is backing out of the 
  GATT talks, unemployment is rising all over Europe, here in America
  there are more layoffs every day (Amdahl announced layoffs of 10%
  of their workforce yesterday), Ford announced projected losses
  for the last 2 quarters of '92 (after profitable Q1/Q2) etc, ETC.
  The market is merely anticipating more red ink.   And there will
  be lots more where that came from.                         


---peter
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Quayle won the debate. (in his dreams)
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:39:00 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Oct.16.14.14.07.1992.3912@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes...
>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Oct14.210818.8760@Princeton.EDU>, 
>>niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes...
> 
>>>It was obvious that Gore was the only candidate prepared to be up there.
> 
>>Yep. You could have replaced him with a cardboard cut-out and a tape 
>>recording, and not been able to tell the difference.
> 
>Perhaps you were not impressed with the way Gore said what he said,
>does that invalidate what he said?  Do you think he didn't mean it,
>just because he didn't deliver it well?

Gore is a party-puppet just like Bill Democrat. He's programmed with
party rhetoric. He offers party promises. AND he represents more of
the Max Spend / Max Borrow mentality which has run the country into
a $4 trillion dollar debt, and has shoved another $1.5 trillion 
dollar budget down the taxpayers' throats -- just last week.

There is nothing new here. It's all Borrow & Spend.

I take that back, it's now screw your children and their children
and everybody else's children.... 

>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 

-- Stephen
From: gt6367c@prism.gatech.EDU (DEAL, DOUGLAS WAYNE)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:02:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <98657@bu.edu> tesco@bumetb.bu.edu (Dances With Babes) writes:
>In article <MATT.92Oct14122845@physics.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
>>
>>And just for the record: can somebody please explain, preferably in
>>words of few syllables, why it is worse to participate in a protest in
>>London than it is to participate in a protest in Washington that will
>>then be shown on television in London?  I just don't see it.


Protesting against your country, outside your country is a horrible thing
to do.  When one protests, it is to enact change in your gov't, community,
or whatever.  When you protest in an area where only foreigners can see,
how can that be thought of as an attempt to change something.  
The only effect that those protests could accomplish would be show Bills
fellow students that he was one of them.....he hated america too.  Personally,
I think that protests are a good thing, and that civil disobedience is
right, when laws are unjust, but Bill Clinton was not trying to convince
Americans that America was wrong to be in Vietnam, he was trying to convince
English citizens that America was something to be hated.  Maybe he thought
that the Brits would contact their congressmen and tell them to stop the war.
(that last statement was sarcasm.  I mention this for anyone who might
flame me because I said that the Brits had congressmen.)  If he really
wanted us to stop the vietnam war, he would have stayed in the U.S. and
protested in the streets of America, burning his draft card and risking
arrest.  

I stated that the 
-- 
Douglas Wayne Deal
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:32:31 GMT

In article <5OCT199219033406@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
> I really had no reason to be against Clinton before this.
> I did have real concerns about anyone who's a war protester
> being able to lead the country in the event of war, since 
> you have to have people go and fight.
> 

I'm sure this has been beat to death but even generals had said
it makes no difference.  It wasn't a popular war.

> But to find out while Bill Clinton was at Oxford in '69 that 
> he went to *Moscow* and eastern Europe in the dead of winter, 
> alone, and made efforts to change his citizenship to British,
> -- I'll be dead against him personally -- if all this is true.
> 

Went to Moscow???? Oh my god he must be a communist... hey hasn't 
Bush been to Moscow too?  yeah and to China... he must be a communist
too... And Perot... he went to Vietnam...

So what if he did... I'd love to go there too... but I don't have the
money or time... what it sounds like here is a guy who was studying over
in Europe had some free time and wanted to see some of the great cities
of Europe...

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