HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Subject: "User firms plagued by LAN money pits"
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:05:46 GMT

The January 4 issue of the leading Network World newspaper has
a well-written, detailed story entitled "User firms plagued by LAN
money pits."  The subtitle reads "Forrester study finds cost of
local net support eating up corporate cash but offers tips for
relief."  The article has a graph of annual charges for different
kinds of support on a 5,000-user network.

Our LAN customer services support groups here have some extra
copies of this issue which we can mail to interested people.  In
general, this is quite a good networking newspaper and is free to
qualified people, at least in the US.

(This article has nothing to do with our 17 LAN support services
programs for the DEC installed base.)

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Looking for a used DELQA or DEQNA
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:30:59 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


     Anyone have a DELQA or DEQNA board they want to sell?  Preferably
with a thin-net tranceiver to go along with it, but not necessary.

    Thanks,
     Robert Ankeney
Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:6757 comp.dsp:2951
From: ajc@pa.dec.com (AJ Casamento)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Is there/will there be a TC or F+ to Q-bus interface?
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:45:25
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: thendara.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: zapantis@uvphys.phys.uvic.ca's message of Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:58:04 GM




In article <1992Dec22.175804.3691@sol.UVic.CA> zapantis@uvphys.phys.uvic.ca 
(Nik Zapantis) writes:

>In planning for an Alpha upgrade, we would like to maintain our existing Q-Bus
>peripherals for as long as they last. It makes no sense to get TC or F+ 
>interfaces for said peripherals, because they are old (in age and in 
>technology).

>The ideal solution would be to have a TC or F+ to Q-bus interface, thus using
>our VAX3800 just like an expansion box( no, I do not want to make it part of 
>the Cluster).
 
>I believe there is such a beast for the VAX4000/100, and would like to know
>if something similar is/will be available for Alpha systems.

Nik,

  I would suggest that you get yourself a copy of the TRI/ADD Shippable Product
Catalog (available for anonymous ftp):

gatekeeper:	16.1.0.2	gatekeeper:pub/DEC/TriAdd/TAcatalog.ps
				gatekeeper:pub/DEC/TriAdd/TAcatalog.ps.Z

  And contact the TURBOchannel to Qbus adapter people listed there. The adapter
hardware won't change. What you will need to ask those folks is what the date
will be for Alpha AXP device drivers (whether for OSF/1 or OpenVMS) for those
adapters. All of the product descriptions and company contact information are
in the catalog.

				Thanx,
				  AJ


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
From: jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Subject: Bruce & Phil - are you guys still alive?!?
Organization: Lotus Development Ireland
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:26:23 GMT

Haven't heard from either of you in AGES and my recent travails with
finding the assembler/linker/monitor sources reminded me that nary a
peep had been heard for quite some time.

Have you guys gone on to other non-pc532 related things?  Given up on
minix?  Shown zero interest in the Mach & BSDSS4 server sources
sitting on nic.funet.fi?  I'd have thought Bruce's hacker heart would
have warmed to the challenge of a new effort to bring the Holy Grail
of BSD to the pc532 - especially one that sort of comes up single user
mode at this point and contains no naughty licensed code (if the
README is to be believed and I'm interpreting it correctly).

We're *that* close, I can feel it!  Don't give up now, guys!

					Jordan
--
Jordan Hubbard		Lotus Development Ireland	jkh@whisker.lotus.ie
I DO NOT SPEAK FOR LOTUS - IT HAS PLENTY OF LAWYERS TO DO THAT FOR IT ALREADY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
From: phil@cs.wwu.EDU (Phil Nelson)
Subject: Bruce & Phil - are you guys still alive?!?
Reply-To: phil@cs.wwu.edu
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:49:42 GMT

I'm still around!  I am still interested in Mach & BSDSS4!  I just don't have
the equipment to play with it in its current form and it is not self-hosting
yet!  I have asked several times for a working copy, but it is not there yet.

I have been playing with minix and the BSD sources.  I now have a lot of
utilities, the include tree, ... that are minix sources but are running
under the minix kernel.

I've even looked at porting 386BSD to make a 532BSD.  It doesn't look that
hard.

Later!

--Phil


Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
From: jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Subject: [pc532] Help - I've lost my copy of the ROM and Bruce utils!
Organization: Lotus Development Ireland
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:19:34 GMT

And, of course, I'm totally unable to remember the ftp site(s) I
fetched this stuff from oh-so-many moons ago.  Can anyone help me out?
I basically just need what's required to assemble and link the rom
sources into a binary image.  As a last resort, I wouldn't mind a
premade image, but I was sort of hoping to put some debugging code
into the monitor before burning it as the problem is that my pc532 has
mysteriously died (lights the lights, but no serial I/O anymore) and
I need more help in figuring out why.  Last time I had problems, I
wrote a special copy of the monitor that lit the lights in sequence so
I could tell how far it was getting.

Seems my sources went AWOL after my latest move.  Sigh..

Thanks!

					Jordan

--
Jordan Hubbard		Lotus Development Ireland	jkh@whisker.lotus.ie
I DO NOT SPEAK FOR LOTUS - IT HAS PLENTY OF LAWYERS TO DO THAT FOR IT ALREADY
From: rhyde@ucrengr.ucr.edu (randy hyde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
Subject: New Version of Bruce's Assembler
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:32:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: galaxy.24724
Organization: University of California, Riverside

I have recently hobbled together a new version of AS32K for MINIX.
I've fixed a couple of bugs (undoubtedly added others) and I've added
several new features including:

1) include files
2) conditional assembly
3) several new directives including .proc/.endp, .var (not exactly NS syntax),
   .global, .import, .export (changed), and more.
4) the assembler now complains if you attempt to use the immediate addressing
   mode where it's not allowed (e.g., as a destination).
5) support for structures and enumerated data types.
6) a line continuation character which allows a statement to span lines.
7) somewhat faster assembly times
8) plus more!

caveats:

This program is intended for assembly language programmers.  It is not intended
as a replacement for as (bruce's original assembler) or gas.  Indeed, many old
source files will *not* assemble under "asm".  Furthermore, it will not properly
assemble the output of gcc.  Don't throw away as, you'll still need it to
assemble gcc output.  Likewise, if you don't write in assembly language, you'll
not have much need for this program.

I haven't tested the program that much.  There are some known defects (but easy
to fix and/or work around).  I'll announce new releases as I post them.

Where:

You can get a copy via anonymous ftp from cs.ucr.edu (if I'm not mistaken).
If you're nice to me, I could mail you a uuencoded version of the file.
Once you log in to cs.ucr.edu, switch to the pub directory (if you're not
there already).  Inside pub is a directory called "PC" (note the upper case).
Inside that directory is the "pc532dir" directory. In there is "basm.taz",
which is really basm.tar.Z, named basm.taz for the benefit of MS-DOS users.
Basm.taz contains as (the object for Bruce's original assembler, necessary to
assemble the source files), asm (the object code for my version) plus all the
source files.

Unlike previous versions of this assembler, this code is not particularly port-
able.  In particular, portions of it are written in NS32532 code.  It should
compile/assemble and run fine on any 32000 machine supporting bruce's assembler
(though you may need a different as/asm if you're not running MINIX).  It will
not, however, run under MS-DOS.

Good luck.
Please send all messages, etc., to:
rhyde@cs.ucr.edu
From: rhyde@ucrengr.ucr.edu (randy hyde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
Subject: tcsh
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:09:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Has anyone managed to get tcsh running under MINIX/532?  Before I waste
a lot of time on this, I thought I'd check.

Also, what is the latest version of gcc on MINIX/532?  Is G++ or Objective-C
running yet?  How about the libraries?

Finally, while perusing the gcc sources I noticed a couple of interesting
things that I thought I'd ask some questions about-

1) To pop 4 or 8 bytes of the stack, gcc emits "cmpqd 0, tos" and "cmpd tos,tos"
   instructions.  I wrote a rudimentary benchmark in assembly to compare the
   performance against "adjspd -4" and "adjspd -8".  The "ADJSPD" instructions
   were faster (though longer).  Is this true in general for the 32532?  Did
   they pick these sequences to save space, or do they actually run faster on
   pre-532 chips, or were they concerned about cache space?  

2) For values larger than 4 or 8 bytes, they use ADJSPB (<64 bytes), ADJSPW
    (<8192 bytes), or ADJSPD (all others).  I seem to recall reading that there
   is a bug in the 32000 family such that adjspb and adjspw only affect the 
   L.O. byte or word of the SP register.  Does this problem still exist on the
   32532?  In any case, the ADJSPD instruction is faster than ADJSPB or
   ADJSPW, even if it is longer.  Shouldn't these instructions get switched
   to ADJSPD?

   BTW, the 32532 timing chart claims CMP tos,tos requires t(eu)+t(au) =
   2+(2+2) = 6 cycles to execute while ADJSPD requires only 4.  This is
   consistent with my measured timings.  CMPQD 0,tos, OTOH, should run at the
   same speed (approximately) which I did not find to be the case with my
   simple benchmark.

3) I presume (by looking at object code) that gcc trashes R0-R2 and preserves
   the other registers?

*** Randy Hyde O-)

 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
From: phil@Shiva.COM (Phil Budne)
Subject: Re:  [pc532] Help - I've lost my copy of the ROM and Bruce utils!
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:55:44 GMT

I have some pretty old sources on line.  Shiva.COM:~ftp/users/phil/nsc/PC532/..

-p
Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
From: phil@cs.wwu.EDU (Phil Nelson)
Subject: Bruce & Phil - are you guys still alive?!?
Reply-To: phil@cs.wwu.edu
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:10:02 GMT

>I have been playing with minix and the BSD sources.  I now have a lot of
>utilities, the include tree, ... that are minix sources but are running
>under the minix kernel.

I didn't read what I wrote....   

That should say:  that are BSD sources but are running under the minix kernel.

:(

--Phil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.nsc.32k
From: culberts@hplwbc.hpl.hp.COM (Bruce Culbertson)
Subject: Re:  Bruce & Phil - are you guys still alive?!?
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:52:47 GMT

I'm still alive, last time I checked.  I still log onto pc532-minix
occasionally, though I haven't done much hacking there recently.
I'm happy to send sources (pc532 ROM, pc532-minix, assembler, etc.)
to anyone who needs them.  I'm still at the same old e-mail address.

Happy New Year!
Bruce
From: mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tahoe
Subject: Re: Our 7000/40 needs a final resting place.
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:26:45 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <9212231924.AA08381@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>, by dav@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU (Dave Vick):
> So far, we have had no bids on what's left of our 7000/40 system.
> I would rather not see it melted down for bookends, so it's 
> priced right, if anyone can use it for spare parts etc,etc.
> Below follows the list of what's available. 

	For those of us that have never come across such a beast. How fast
are the CPU(s) ?  What O/S (un*x I guess of some type) did it run ?
How much power and room conditioning does it require? How old is it?

	Any other trivia that you think maybe interesting ?


	Cheers
		Mark :)
-- 
Mark Garrett	Internet:  mark@arvak.une.edu.au	Phone: 	+61 66 20 3859
   University of New England, Northern Rivers, Lismore NSW Australia.
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: Airport x-ray machines
Date: 8 Jan 1993 10:46:58 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <29970@castle.ed.ac.uk> cc@castle.ed.ac.uk (C Carruthers) writes:
>Has anyone studied the effects of airport x-ray machines on handleld
>computers (or indeed laptops)?  Anyone suffered any data loss?

My HP-95LX just recently with through an airport x-ray machine.  It and
the 64KB SRAM card are just fine, no data appears to have be altered.
This topic has come up often before, and it seems that in general,
electronics and magnetic media are quite durable with respect to
x-rays.  There is more to fear from the strong magnetic fields from the
x-ray machine's motors affecting magnetic media than anything else.

If you're really worried about it, you can often get your equipment
hand inspected.  They generally just want to see the machine turn on.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: cthomas@athena.mit.edu (Michael T Ford)
Subject: Re: Wanted:RAM cards
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: inet
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:46:14 GMT

In article <STEVEV.93Jan9005027@miser.uoregon.edu> stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) writes:
>In article
><2b4e20e6.5081.1comp.sys.handhelds.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
>akcs.dmankin@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (David Mankin) writes:
>
>   Howmuch ram can the HP-48SX access?   Can it hold 256K ram cards in each
>   of it's slots?  or it 128K the limit?
>
>The HP 48 can address only 128K bytes of memory per card slot.
>Cards that contain more than 128K of memory divide it into
>separate 128K banks that are switched under software control.
>Such cards are useful but they cannot generally be merged into
>main memory (you would have to free that merged bank in that card
>before you could access the other banks on the same card).  Most
>people who use the 256K or 512K cards have recommended having a
>merged 128K card in the other card slot.
>
>The total address space of the Saturn is 512K bytes (or 1M
>nybbles).  However, the built-in 32K of memory is mapped over the
>top of 32K of ROM at address #70000, or can be mapped instead to
>#F0000; this allows the total simultaneously accessible RAM to
>total 288K (32K standard, plus two 128K cards).

But all in all, the most that a 48SX can access today is 1056K.
That's two 512K cards plus the original 32K.  That's still a lot
even if it can only see 288K at once.
Better yet--why not get the diskdrive?  It's cost is comparable
to a couple RAM cards.

Mike WZ0C
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: Zeos Pocket PC comments
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:26:23 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <8406@lib.tmc.edu> snewton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Steven E. Newton) writes:
>I just started watching this newsgroup, hoping there would be some
>discussion of Zeos' Pocket PC.  But, none so far.  So, I'm asking --
>what thoughts do YOU have.  I'm very interested in buying one so all
>responses are welcome.  Post or email -- I'll try to summarize.

Read comp.sys.palmtops.  The comp.sys.handhelds group is intended for
handheld calculators not computers.  You can get archived news postings
on the Zeos Pocket PC and several other palmtop computers via anonymous
ftp to csd4.csd.uwm.edu:/pub/Palmtop.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
From: akcs.wiley@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Abbott)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:40:04 GMT
Subject: Seattle BBS closing???
Message-ID: <2b49534e.5075comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Keywords: seattle bbs

I have been running th R.P.N. BBS in Seattle since this summer and am
getting a bit discouraged. Because of the items listed below, I am
considering shutting down the BBS; any e-mail on your feelings about this
to rpnbbs@u.washington.edu (preferred) or here (akcs.wiley) will be
greatly appreciated and will determine wether I actually go through with
the shutdown. Here's the list:

1) Lack of general interest--my BBS only gets about 10-20 calls a week
and that's just not enough to justify 1) the loss of processor power
running it in the background and 2) the degradation of the computer
system from leaving it on 24 hours.

2) Lack of repeat customers--it is rare for anyone who calls my BBS to
call back more than three times. Most just call once or twice and are
never heard from again. I don't think it's the BBS itself as many people
have told me how much they like it; I think it may be mostly due to #3.

3) Increase in other HP BBSes--as the list of BBSes I compiled shows,
there is much more competition for me. Most other BBSes offer faster
modem speeds (I'll be getting a 14.4k modem in a week or two), better
discussion forums, and are more established (i.e. have more hp48
"insiders" actively using them.

4)The problem of BBS rape--about 90% of my callers call, download an
average of 20-30 files, and just hang up. Since hp48 files are hard to
come by, I don't require any uploads; instead, I expect people to help
others by actively participating in the discussion forums. So far, out of
about 150 calls, only THREE people have bothered to do this. This is what
makes me really mad---I spend $400 on the BBS (extra phone line, BBS
software, modem), and people think it's unreasonable to spend an extra
$2.00 on their long distance bill to give back something for the files
they have taken.

Please, if there is anyone who likes the R.P.N. BBS and would like to see
 stay, write back telling me so. Just one or two thank-you's may cause me
to change my mind. If no one writes back, I'll assume no one cares and
I'll shut down the board promptly and stop wasting my time. Overall, I'd
say running the BBS has been a positive experience; I just want to know
if it will be worth it to continue.
From: akcs.kirkland@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Daniel B. Kirkland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: Wanted:RAM cards
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:40:03 GMT

David,

The HP 48SX can access (or address) only 128K per port.
It can, however, HOLD more.

TDS (Tripod Data Systems) makes a 256K card and a 512K card.
These cards have 128K "banks" and can be switched from one
bank to another using software provided with them.
They can only use one bank at a time. The bankswitching
is like changing cards, except that the switching is done
with software.

Also, you can not switch banks when one of the banks is
merged with the builtin RAM.

Some users like to put a 128K RAM card in one port for
mearged memory and a larger bankswitching card in the
other port to hold their libraries and backups.

Many programs can be put into libraries and then be
used from a nonmerged port. And there are a lot of
great libraries available for the 48.

Dan Kirkland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: BBS for HP handhelds
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:44:24 GMT

                New bulletin board system for HP handhelds
               --------------------------------------------
For those who missed the previous announcement, I have started a free
public access BBS in the Chicago area for support of the HP48, 95, 41, 
42, 28, and 71/75.  File areas include Frequently Asked Questions, HP48
Goodies Disks, HP95, etc., with files being added daily.  Goodies #8 soon!
  >> Internet Usenet newsgroups weekly updates coming early next week <<
comp.sys.hp48, comp.sources.hp48, comp.sys.handhelds, and comp.sys.palmtops
messages (some with nifty programs) will be available for download.
First time callers have full access privileges, 120 min./day, no file ratios.
        Telephone number: (708) 304-0666
        Hours of operation: 11pm to 8am Central Time, 7 days/week
          other times on request (call the above number by voice first)
        8 data bits, no parity, 1 stop bit
        1200bps-14400bps V.32bis; V.42bis, MNP5, LAPM supported
        easy to use
        Zmodem file transfers (now working)
Any questions, call me at the above number by voice at other times, or
leave a Comment to sysop when online.

Brian Walsh

-- 
-- Brian Walsh
   brianw@holonet.net
From: snewton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Steven E. Newton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Zeos Pocket PC comments
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:10:56 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston


I just started watching this newsgroup, hoping there would be some
discussion of Zeos' Pocket PC.  But, none so far.  So, I'm asking --
what thoughts do YOU have.  I'm very interested in buying one so all
responses are welcome.  Post or email -- I'll try to summarize.

Steven E. Newton
-- 
+      +      +      +      +      +      +    |snewton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
            I can hear you well,               |Nobody else speaks for me,
            George Orwell.                     |and I speak for no one else.
                                               |     +     +     +     +     +
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: Pentop Field Widening
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:04:05 GMT

If anyone goes to that, or hears any news of the Casio/Tandy pen system,
please post any info here....or better yet, cross post it here and in the
pen usenet group.

,^MrSpock^

Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey)
Subject: Sharp 3100s?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 16:05:44 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na

A couple of people have mentioned the pre-Christmas availability of Sharp
3100's (in Canada) at a quite low price.  Does anyone have the name of the
sources of these machines?  Perhaps a few might be found lurking on shelves...

Jeff