HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gtd205a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hody Crouch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: AOL for help
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:22:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


In article <Jan.5.21.29.10.1993.23619@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
|Huh?  Free hours of time on AOL?
|
|Oh, here we go... it's in the manual-which-I-never-read. :)
|
|		Membership	First 3 hours	Each additional hour
|Month 1		$0		$0		$5 offpeak/$10 peak
|Month 2+	$9.95		$0		$5 offpeak/$10 peak
|
|And, of course, you need a check-thingie or a credit-thingie... which is
|pretty improbable for folks like me who barely scrape together $15/month
|for the cost of a phone line... :)
|
Is there a way to try out AOL without a check-thingie or credit-thingie?
I was rather offended the first time I tried to log on to use part of
my 'free' three hours, and I couldn't get on unless I gave up my account
numbers, which I'm not going to part with until I've seen the services
available.

l8r... Hody
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS company song? (Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?)
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:47:53 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>Alas and alack, I believe Nintendo has exclusive rights to putting
>Tetris on hand-held devices (i.e. the GameBoy).

Er... if a handheld runs GEOS, what's to stop someone from running Tetris on
it?  Is Geoworks heading for a nasty legal mess?

-Shag

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geoworks Quickstart - what is it?
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:29:57 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>I haven't seen it myself (they keep me locked up (hmm... probably smart of
>them :-)) but I believe that it's GeoWorks Pro without Quattro Pro SE.

The only problem I have with this theory is that the Quattro Pro goes for
about $50, so logically, Pro - Quattro would go for $200 - 50, or 150. 
Quickstart goes for $100... maybe they left out something else?  The Quattro
Pro viewer, of course, but I can't see that being another $50... hmmm.

Shag

(It's good that my silly questions only waste the time of one GeoWorker - 
at least the _rest_ of them can get some work done.. ;)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: GEOS Press Release
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:33:23 GMT

In article <Jan.7.22.38.36.1993.20129@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>
>>	GEOS is a realtime, multithreaded, multitasking graphical
>>operating environment based on object-oriented programming technology
>>that allows for scalability and ease of use. More important for
>>developers, GEOS offers a flexible user interface that adopts the
>>appropriate "look and feel" of different devices.
>
>Buzzword central.

Hey, we only used the word "technology" once in the entire
paragraph... 
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: "James E. Seay" <JESEAY01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: Geoworks 2.0
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:36:12 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Member Generations: Starbase Louisville
Phone:588-6522

I was wondering when version 2.0 would be availible, and what new/updated
features it will contain. I recently received Geoworks Pro as a Christmas
gift, and have sent my registration card.

One more thing. When will the SDK be availible?

James E. Seay
BITNET: JESEAY01@ULKYVM
INTERNET: JESEAY01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Miscellany (Re: 24-hour info line notes)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:37:01 GMT

In article <9301111141.aa02636@pandora.sf.ca.us>
<pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
>   MY biggest gripe is the same ones I had when I uesd GEOS 128
>   It cost me money to  get info about the product after the purchase.
>   Great porgram not so great support

There's a big difference (in my mind anyways) between crappy support (free
or otherwise) and support that is of high quality but not free.

>                   Being a poor Grad student, I think all you highly paid
>   and highy skilled engineers etc should remember that all software is not
>   bought by MBAs working for large corporations, and that the price of your
>   software might be a big chunck out of a small budget. This makes good
>   low cost ( to the user) support a selling point for your sofware.

I'm kind of amazed that you are giving GeoWorks crap about it's pricing.
It has one of the best pricing structures that I've seen.  GeoWorks is one
of the few companies working to provide high end functionality with great
ease of use on low end platforms that basically everybody else has given up
for dead.  How is that not providing you, the consumer, as much value as
possible for the price?  Sigh...

You can always go buy a beefy machine and run all of the 'free' Unix and
DOS software out there (but Cygnus does charge a good penny for high
quality support) or you can keep your current PC and spend (certainly less
than $200) for GeoWorks Pro and some time on AOL or on the phone.  The
second options seems just a wee bit cheaper to me. :-?

As I have mentioned in the past, continual improvement (in customer
serverice and everwhere else) is quite important at GeoWorks.

Thanks for caring,
		John
		johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	My opinions.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Starting up in an app
Keywords: undocumented but obvious
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:59:12 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest


If you want GEOS to automatically drop you into a particular application
(even if you choose to reset the professional workspace, coming back from
an abnormal background) you can edit the following location in GEOS.INI:

	[welcome]
	startup = GeoManager

I've changed mine to read:

	[welcome]
	startup = GeoComm

Whatever application you select will come up any time you:

- reset the professional workspace after an abnormal termination (if you
  have it set to bypass the welcome screen, and maybe even if not)
- close all apps in the professional workspace, exiting to the welcome
  screen, then go back into the professional workspace
- close all apps in the professional workspace, drop out entirely, then
  restart GEOS (if you have it set to bypass the welcome screen)

-Shag

P.S.  Yes, I am new-improved-whiter-brighter-industrial-strength BORED.

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: 24-hour info line notes
Keywords: finally called it
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:42:51 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

I finally called the 24-hour info line, and listened to the info on Pen/GEOS
and developer stuff.

The pleasant female voice said that GEOS stood for "Graphical Environment
Object System."  Last time I checked the O stood for "Operating."  Has this
been changed?

The Pen/GEOS info said that the release date would be first or second quarter,
'93.  Brian was quoted, as were people from Palm, Grid, and Poquet.  The 
Tandy/Casio "Zoomer" was not mentioned, but I'm sure they'll update the
recording soon to include it.  The best quote was something to the effect of
"Windows for Pen Computing will run on our high-end systems, but PC/GEOS is
better for our current product line."

The developer info didn't say much I didn't already know, except that the
Systems Software Overview is 50 pages, costs $15 plus $2 shipping/handling
(considering that one of the AOL geos info files I uploaded to the net was
197 pages, I _really_ think this document, particularly if it's already in
GeoWrite form, should be made electronically available.  Seriously.) and
that the SDK Technical Documentation is 3,000 pages (no, DON'T ask me to 
upload it! :) and costs $200 for the initial draft, but if we buy it now,
we get all future revisions (of the documentation) for free!  If I had
$200, I'd get it without a second thought.

-Shag

(has anyone considered tying the SDK tech docs to Bill Gates and throwing him
into Puget Sound? ;)


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From: quattro@thoki.toppoint.de (Thorsten Boente)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Filter
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 19:54:12 -2
Distribution: world
Organization: Private Waffle Site

Is nobody able to tell me, if it exists a filter between pcgeos
and winword???

I've posted this now the third time!!



Gruss Thorsten.

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  Tel.: +49 4349-8866 =======================> quattro@thoki.toppoint.de
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: flint@mars.xerox.com (ed flint)
Subject: Re: GEOS Press Release
Organization: Xerox Corp - Webster, NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:03:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.225020.16537@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>
>	Also, the companies announced the addition of new project
>partners - America Online., Vienna, VA, and Intuit, Menlo Park, CA, -
>that have committed to provide specialized versions of their
>applications for the GEOS platform.

Hmmm... perhaps a Geos version of Quicken for the desktop as well ??

--ed

flint:wbst139@xerox.com
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Look and feel (Re: GEOS Press Release)
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:31:41 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:

>     I seriously doubt you would want to take *any* app compiled for one
>platform and run it, without recompilation, on another platform.  Geos
>apps still have x86 instructions in them, regardless of which assembler
>(blech) or compiler produced them.  This would mean that a SPARC version
>of Geos would have to interpret an x86 app, which would really slow
>things down.

Could you state your source for "Geos apps still have x86 instructions in 
them"?  I don't know any more about Geos internals than you do, but I would
_suspect_ that most of the actual processor-specific calls would be in the
kernal or the main library, and the apps would call higher-level routines
which would handle all the processor- or platform-specific stuff.  No hard
facts on my side, except that to me, it seems like something GeoWorks would
do.

Could John or Andrew verify this one way or the other (if the NDA allows)?

-Shag

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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS company song? (Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:52:38 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

> In article <Jan.9.02.10.30.1993.23170@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net
> >
> >CEO:
> >	A Zoomer, eh?  What sort of toy is this?
> >
> >[CEO presses on the screen of the Zoomer, which promptly starts playing Tetr
> >at breakneck speed, without falling through his desk.]
> 
> Alas and alack, I believe Nintendo has exclusive rights to putting
> Tetris on hand-held devices (i.e. the GameBoy).

Is that why those handheld Tetris games that Radio Shack was selling in
the fall of 1991 disappeared, never to be seen again?  I guess
Nintendo's lawyers called up Tandy and threatened to drop a few large
angular shapes on them.

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**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        |  point of stuff like this."
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnlee@crash.cts.com (John Wiley)
Subject: Re: CES revelations
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:07:04 PST


Shag sez:
>Be polite, greet everyone else too. ;)
 
Greetings, everyone.  Hope it wasn't wrong of me to nominate you for "most
likely to want GeoTidbits," Shag.  It's just that, in my own starvation for
news, I've noted you whimpering for and picking info from teensy items too.
 
>*kneels down, lolls tongue out, and barks like a schnauzer*
 
Your honor, I submit this as exhibit one.  |)
 
>They make you sign an agreement just to play with it?  Sheeeeit.
 
This was a Casio agmt., which may be less restrictive than some others,
judging by the recent discussions here.  But the reason offered for it by
the Casio rep (which makes perfect sense to me), is to avoid vaporware
claims.  Nice contrast to the "leaks" by some companies, eh?
 
>I wonder if there's anything you're allowed to tell?
 
The rep took great pains to clarify what's "public domain" info (his words),
and what is covered by the agreement.  I will make every effort to respect
that, especially since my interest in the product and desire to share info
about it was treated so respectfully by the rep.
 
Anyway, I'll put everything that's "p.d." in my next post.  I'll include
excerpts from a press release which appears to be slightly different from
the two I've seen already posted here.  I didn't get this p.r. in electronic
form, so please excuse the extreme brevity and any typing errors.
From: simard@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Donald Simard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re:  Fun with disk-compression (Re: geos broken)
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:51:46 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

I have ruled out superstore as the culprit. After a lot of effort I
have narrowed it down to installing an abundance of fonts. At 101
fonts, geos works well but at 102 it chokes. I don't understand why
this happens, I have 2 MB of memory and Shag told me he had 120 fonts
with only 1 MB of memory. However cause and effect are fairly
conclusive. (Shag was using a later kernel relase than I am though.)

I am going to talk to geos today to try to track down any additional
info. At least I have a  system running now.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: gw.tony@genie.geis.com
Subject: Font quantity limit
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:35:46 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Re: geos broken -
 
We've got a few hundred GEOS fonts on GEnie which I've had installed
for quite some time. Through trial and error, our group has targeted
200 or so fonts as the upper limit which can be successfully
installed.
 
We were encouraged by a GeoTech to up our handles in the PC/GEOS
segment of Prefs to 3500 when doing so.
 
Re: denizen list -
 
Great idea! Thanks for the effort.
 
Tony Cuozzo
 GeoWorks RT Sysop
 GEnie
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: comp.os.pcgeos.* hierarchy? (Re: New uploads...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:52:57 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>I would personally very much prefer if posts of this sort *NOT* be done
>until the group splits off into some kind of hierarchy.  There are already
>nice, automatic, relatively easy to use, preexisting methods for people who
>can FTP to get files from many big archive sites.  I'd just make sure that
>the files in question make it onto those sites.  Why waste all of that
>network bandwidth?

The basic presumption here is that the people who asked me to e-mail them
UUEncoded copies of things (which is not very convenient for me, in any
number of ways) are those who can _not_ FTP, and do _not_ have access to
AOL.  UUCP or BITnet users in Europe, in particular.  All requests for the 
files I have received thus far have been from users in Europe.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to begin working toward a hierarchy now,
so that it would be widely tested, used, and available by the time v2.0
becomes available.

-Shag
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From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 09:10:47 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <=0722y-@rpi.edu>, gilem@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
>Since windows nt and geos are not aimed at anywhere near the same market,
>I don't think that the release dates being close is any problem.  What 
>I do think is that os/2 2.1 (in beta now) is going to be very tempting
>for those who can upgrade their pc's.  On another hand, as of mid december,
>geos 2.0 had not entered the official beta program, as I was told on aol.

I'm intrigued..., as I said in my other post, we have it on good authority that
GEOS is due out 1st quater, and has long been in beta... cirtainly, the SDK
beta has been going for some time, and how can one develop with no OS to run
the programs on???????

>The non-disclosure agreements should all be in by now, and the beta should
>be going out this month (hopefully).

What non-disclosure agreements?? (Not all of us can read AOL (Why did Geoworks
have to pick an american system for support ? ))

> In my opinion, I would guess 4th
>quarter 93 before you see 2.0 on the market with significant apps. Of course
>I could (hopefully) be wrong.

4th quater... I *Hope* not... That would be later than many could stand.

>Mike
>gilem@rpi.edu
>
>I have no official connection with geoworks, and therefore all stated is 
>either opinion or hearsay.

I sincerely hope It's just heresay.

| Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Nasir Haniffa <ACDH083%SAUPM00.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Look and feel (Re: GEOS Press Release)
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:35:50 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us


 One question please..

 Geowrite does not print with full justification in HP laserJet when I use
high quality  printing..  medium and low are Ok..

It was working ok.. but not now.. why .. what did I do.. What should I do..
Please..
Nasir Haniffa
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:47:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.065339.28169@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
>In article <=7926w@rpi.edu> gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
>[...]
>>I applied for the beta program early last summer, and just recieved official 
>>notice that I would be a beta tester (along with non-disclosure contract)
>>in november.  This indicates to me that the full beta is beginning soon.
>
>Hmm... Aren't you violating the non-disclosure contract?  Whether or not
>the policies of GeoWorks with respect to information disclosure are
>"right", "moral", "good", etc. if you have agreed to its terms then you
>should abide by them.
>
>John D. Mitchell
>johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
>
>P.S.	I am probably biased since I'm an employee of GeoWorks.
>	I speak for myself.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.

After reading the contract several times, I would say that no, I am not 
violating the non-disclosure agreement for several reasons.  First,
I know nothing about version 2.0 that hasn't been released publicly.  So
I cannot possibly disclose any information about the product.  Second, 
the information which I received about the current status of the beta test
was given to me by another geoworks employee on AOL, during a public chat.
If this violates the non-disclosure agreement, then I am sorry, becuase 
that was not clear from the contract, nor from the discussion that I had 
with the GW employee.

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu

I, of course, would like to see GW survive for the good of all pc users,
and apologise if anything that I have said is detrimental
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: PCX pics
From: Murray_Moffatt@kcbbs.gen.nz (Murray Moffatt)
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:45:43 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

How come GeoDraw will import _some_ .PCX picture files, but not others? 
Are there different .PCX standards?

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