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From: francou@aaricia.imag.fr (Laurent FRANCOU)
Subject: GSE650 vs ZEPHYR / SEVEN-FIFTY
Organization: Bull-Imag
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:14:31 GMT

I own a good old GSE 650 (10 years old)
and I think, that one day it will go to the "good-ole-bike's graveyard"
and I always don't know who will replace it in my heart.

Actually it's Kawazaky Zephyr or Honda Seven Fifty which are the nearest from
what I would like to find in a "classical" bike.
But according to what I have readen in magazines, they are not really good
bike when you compare them to more "modern" "sport" bikes.

So I'am interesting in any opinion about those 2 models compared to GSE 650 or any other 80's or even actual bikes.

Thanks
My adress : francou@aaricia.imag.fr (Laurent FRANCOU)

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chris@triage.UUCP (Groucho)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethrowned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Keywords: tank, bloated
Organization: Triage Corp
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:56:37 GMT

In article <C0Kqtu.C8H@ns1.nodak.edu> fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein) writes:
>In article <1ilg3oINNd1l@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
>>
>>It's official. Cycle World has tested the new ZX-6. It's much faster
>>than the F2. First run with a tail wind was 161 on the gun. Corrected

By what?  A whole 2 or 4 tenths of a second?  No doubt anyone in their
right mind can feel the difference.

>>speed is 153. It also steers lighter, quicker, and is more comfortable
>>to ride. The F2 still has better cornering clearance and will likely

Subjective?

>>make a better track bike still. But it looks like the ZX-6 is the new
>>king of production sport bikes.

Who's riding?

>Yeah, but it's so butt-ugly that I'd still buy the CBR.  I know, it's
>a great all-around bike.  But it still has that bloated Kawasaki look
>to it, and is a portly 33 pounds heavier than the Honda!

Speaking of which, why is it that the new GSXR1100 weighs 100#'s more
than the '86 version?  What's happened to all this wonderous technology
Japan so easily sells us on?

As for the Kawasaki, 33#'s heavier than the CBR?  Seems like they're headed
in the same direction as the Suzuki.

What ever happened to 350# 650cc street bikes?  Or 275# 400cc bikes?

The sad thing to me is that we lap up the Oriental hype so willingly.

>I'm a tad disappointed...I was hoping the new ZX-6 would be along the
-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--------
No shit!


Christopher Perez - chris@triage.rain.com
The List->  Ducatis: 650TT2, 500SL, 860GT  Yamaha: RD400F 

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From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: Re: Quieting down a Honda CR-125? ('86)
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:51:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.210909.2843@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>Say, does anybody know if it's possible to "quiet down" a Honda CR-125 ('86)? 

Try repacking the silencer with the new kind of packing that is out.  I can't 
remember who makes it, but it is supposed reduce noise and last longer than 
normal repacking material.  The more expensive way is to buy a new silencer.
Answer makes a model called "Sneaker" and it works.  

						Good Luck,

_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359                    '91  CR250 |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                      #P61  |              
TCCRA  #P61  "Team D."                 |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Pro Class	                       |
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.   
50 miles of off-road Hell (FUN)        |  
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Bra auction: going, going....
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:21:36 GMT

In article <C0J6Br.3wA@boo.uucp> bobm@boo.uucp (Bob Marrow) writes:
}>$71 says Curtis becomes the KotB.
}
}$72 says you don't.

My hated, psycho (and I mean it!) mother-in-law is showing up sometime
in February. By that time I want to have Jody's bra properly mounted
on the wall with an explanatory plaque that, well, let's just say that
I won't use Jody's good name, and the text of the plaque will be
designed to cater to the old bat's worst nightmares.

That's worth $76 to me.
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Real life facts about insurance companies
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:06:44 GMT

In article <1iqnjlINNlrt@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com> mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>In article <C0J0A1.L9B@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu writes:
>
>>News flash: Insurance companies exist to take your money.
>
>>              They will screw you over: that is their sole purpose in life.
>
>Statements such as these, and threads whose subject lines include phrases
>such as "insurance scum", annoy me.  I think its time for all of us to
>realize that, like every other business in a capitalistic society, the
>mission of the insurance company is to maiximize its profit while providing
>goods or services to its customers.

I disagree.  I have dealt with one insurance representative that I felt
like had any ethics.  Many insurance companies have the same type of
attitude as your typical car salesman.  They want to get what they can
at your expense, regardless of what is right.  Perhaps the insurance industry
rewards this type of behavior.  I had a drunk rear end me a year or so ago
and his insurance company tried to put the blame on me.  Of course, there
was no way to do that, but it was a mental game and his intent was to 
play off any guilt that I may have had (none in my case) and also to intimidate
me.  I don't think this is uncommon.  While there are exceptions, many 
are scum.


Didn't we just go through the same old routine again in North Carolina.
The insurance companies said they wanted to raise rates fifty some percent
but the INSURANCE COMMISSIONER came to our rescue and said NO, YOU MAY 
ONLY RAISE THEM 28%.  What a guy.

Jack Waters II

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Sticker Update
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:33:12 GMT
Organization: Woopie Tech
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivy.wpi.edu


    ok all!!!! thanks for the long long patient wait!!!!

    the stickers are here and will be mailed out tomorrow morning. yes,
    i am talking about the "real women ride motorcycles" stickers. again
    i am very sorry for the delay and i hope you will all forgive me for
    entertaining ideas of running away with your money (frankly the
    collection wasnt worth it) ;-).

    personal to diana boyd:

    in case you did not get my reply about the stickers, here it is
    again: yes you can order stickers even now. send me your snail mail
    address with details on how many stickers you want and if you would
    like to: 85c or more per sticker.

    personal to janet gunn:

    mail to you at nmi.com bounces. in fact mail to nmi.com bounces ;-).
    if you still wish to order send me your snail mail address as above.

    peace to all but charlie smith ;-),

    - ravi


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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Personal strobes
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:54:19 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

William E. Johns (johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu) wrote:
: I think this item was mentioned before on this net, but I will refresh          
: and remind.  I was wandering through a "Early Winters" catalog for              
: winter 1993.  They showed a small strobe for personal use.  The thing           
: looks to be about the size of a couple of walnuts, uses 2 AAA batteries         
: for a claimed 200 hours of use.  It claims to be weatherproof.  The             
: light source is "super-luminescent LED's that blink 6 times a second."          
: It is claimed that it is visible from 2000 feet.

I was at Hilton Head over New Years and saw a whole family of people
on the beach with these things on.  They looked like a bunch of dorks.
Of course, they were just walking down the beach with these silly blinking
red lights around their necks not riding bike or motos or anything.
 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethrowned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:26:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.085046.2861@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>In article <1ilg3oINNd1l@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
>> It's official. Cycle World has tested the new ZX-6. It's much faster
>> than the F2. First run with a tail wind was 161 on the gun. Corrected
>> speed is 153. It also steers lighter, quicker, and is more comfortable
>> to ride. The F2 still has better cornering clearance and will likely
>> make a better track bike still. But it looks like the ZX-6 is the new
>> king of production sport bikes.
>
>	Oh, come on.  You knew it would happen eventually.  If you wanted
>the *ultimate* 600cc sport bike you'd have built your own.  Harris frame,
>flow/ported head, Wiseco pistons, Ohlins shock, Brembo brakes, etc. etc.
>(or just buy a Bimota :-)
>
>OBAnalMoto : Yeah, I know Bimota doesn't necessarily use all of the above
>crap.  Not that I've ever touched a $$$ B, let alone ridden one.
>
>	Now that I think about it, Mr. Fischer's Xmas dream project (500cc
>GP motor in a Goof2 frame) is starting to sound real good.

The latest issue of the local freebie Moto-rag has a blurb about
Yamaha considering production of a Wayne Rainey YZR500 replica. 
For the street.  ~130 hp, ~400 pounds, ~$30k.  Yow!  Of course, it
won't come here, some bozo might buy one and kill himself and his estate
would sue Yamaha for a zillion million dollars.  Sigh.


At the San Francisco Moto Show, a local shop had a street bike that
they'd made out of a CR500 motocrosser.  It looked pretty good- heavily
braced frame, GSXR forks and wheels, Honda Hawk tank.   Probably not
as fast as Axel's dream bike, but cheaper to make. :-)



--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
      "Archiving the net is like washing toilet paper!"- Leader Kibo
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:34:18 GMT

In <1993Jan5.212149.120@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:

>I remember it as:
>   If you want more cubic inches, bring more cubic dollars!


	"Speed costs money.  How fast do you want to go?" -- C. Shelby

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "Are you *SURE* he's worth a Harley-Davidson?" -- my grandmother  >
< to my girlfriend, about me.  "I'd better not say" -- my girlfriend >
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: Gang FAQ'd by the DoD!
Organization: QUAD Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:31:18 GMT

tgent@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Tom Gent) writes:
: In article <1993Jan3.132616.22455@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes:
: >
: >Good work, all. We now return you to your
: >regularly schedualled helmet war....
: >
: 
: Hi, everyone.  I'm new to this group, and was thinking of buying a bike.
: What I was wondering, though, is whether you guys recommend that I get
: a helmet?  I've heard that they mess up your hair and obstruct your
: vision, but may be good to have in a crash.  I don't think I will crash 
: though, my neighbor is a pretty good teacher.  Also, are there any laws
: concerning helmets that I should be aware of?

Good point. When your brains are splattered all over the roadway, at least
your hair will look great! Nothing to worry about, though, as you you
don't plan on crashing. I crashed a few time - and hell - I'm getting tired 
of it. All that planning in advance - to just get it right - is wearing
me down. I think I'll give it up, too.

-- 

Roland Besserer							     '86 RG500
QUAD Systems							    '91 RGV250
roland@quadsys.com	"License and registration please!" "What registration?"
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: First Bike Opinions
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:23:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer

I had the experience of nearly dropping my VFR in the garage this 
past fall. I saved her at the expense of doing the nasties to my
wrist which took almost 3 months to heal. 

Picking up any 500+ lb. object without careful planning can be 
quite damaging to your health. GoldWing riders: carry a winch.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Build Your Own !
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:17:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.085835.2862@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>Hi,
>
>	On the subject of dream project bikes, I have a little off-season
>challenge for you all :
>
>	"If you could build your own motorcycle, what would it be ?"

Aha, fantasy time!  How about building a v-twin two-stroke sport bike?
I'd start with two 250cc (or even 500cc if I was really sick) motocross
engines, cut off the gearboxes, and fit them together with an FZR1000
gearbox in 90-degree vee a'la' TZ250.  Then build a box-style aluminum
frame to contain the thing, along with swing-arm etc.  This is my fantasy
so I can fantasize about having all the fabrication skills, no?  Then
the best Brembo brakes and magnesium wheels, carbon-fiber tank
and bodywork, etc.  Basically, a bike that winds up slightly larger
than a TZ250, but with awesome power all through the rev range.
Maybe 90hp, and 350 pounds.



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  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: lane splitting/sharing poll
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:52:35 GMT

             Lane            Lane            Lane
Where        Splitting       Sharing (2 mc)  Sharing (cage/mc)
           ("whitelineing")
---------------------------------------------------------------
MA           NO              YES             NO
Japan        YES             YES             YES        
UK           YES             YES             YES(?)


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M'Lud.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: lane splitting/sharing poll
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:00:10 GMT

In article <1ilporINNvlv@sumax.seattleu.edu> willey@sumax.seattleu.edu (  dan quayle) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.051136.19417@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp> jfriedl@omron.co.jp writes:
>>|>              Lane            Lane            Lane
>>|> Where        Splitting       Sharing (2 mc)  Sharing (cage/mc)
>>|>            ("whitelineing")
>>|> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>|> MA           NO              YES             NO
>>   Japan        YES             YES             YES     YES         
>    WA           YES             YES             YES ?
>    MD           NO              YES             NO ?
     CA           YES*            YES**           YES**

    * On limited access highways (freeways) check local CHP
office for guidelines.
    ** Subject to local regulations


Ed Campbell
        Email ed@Tekelec.com (seems to work)


'57 FL
'76 XLCH
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From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Lance Holst is a Jerk
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:35:49 GMT

In article <5205@equinox.unr.edu> edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu () writes:
>Well, our old buddy Lance is at it again.  This comes from "On The
>Level", the BMWRA news letter.
>
>Mischief in Monterey: OTL's oft-cited account fo the behavior of
>the US bike press at press introductions ("Mischief in
>Mississippi") has been trumped by a recent Kawasaki junket at the
>track in Laguna Seca and the streets near Monterey.  Reliable
>sources say journalists were routinely exeeding 150 mph on public
>roads.  Among the crashed were Cycle World's Mitch Boehm,
>Motorcyclist's _LANCE HOLST_ and Superbike School guru Keith Code
>(twice!).  OTL Bulletin:  The garage just called; their brains will
>be ready in a week.

I must have missed something.  Yes, Lance Holst is a jerk, but not because
he rides fast.  What is wrong with riding fast?  Many of us do it all the
time. On public roads, too.  :-)

Ride Free,

Bill
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Real life facts about insurance companies and fairy dust.
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:15:20 GMT

Yer damn right...those insurance bastards are the WORST. They charge you for
anything. They charge my mom a premium just because I live in the same house 
and don't have my own car -- even though I only live there 3 months a year and
have my own bike. I'd would love to be able to nail these scum to the wall 
once...just ONCE!! (Well, okay, maybe a few dozen times :)

Nathaniel
ZX-10






Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Yamaha XJ900- comments wanted 
Distribution: world
Organization: Not much.
Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:33:39 +0000


In article <1993Jan5.125455.3683@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> 85p8379@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

>Hell-o as usual,
>
>I'm a die-hard touring freak with limited budget, and am considering acquiring
>a Yamaha XJ900.  I understand this model was last produced in '86, and is
>generally considered to be a great touring bike.  It is a shafty (I hate chains
>!) and although I've never ridden one it apparently handles okay.

My previous 'bike was an XJ900 and I liked it. They are the sort of maachine 
that does everything 'reasonably well'. I think you're wrong about them being 
discontinued though, they certainly sold a 1992 model in the UK. Avoid the 
very early models with the fairing mounted on the forks, as it causes 
handling problems. The engine needs a certain amount of regular tlc to remain 
in good tune, and the brake calipers corrode in bad weather and jam the 
pistons. Apart from that, it's a great bike.



Tony

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethrowned by '93 ZX-6. So what?
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:48:44 GMT

In article <1imp68INNjgo@gap.caltech.edu> gunning@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin J. Gunning) writes:
>In article <1ilg3oINNd1l@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
>
>Yo!  Alan! Ever hear of the CBR900RR?  Meet the once and future king.
>They are great   :*)))

Have you read the articles about the '93 ZX-11's? Kawasaki is playing
for keeps this year....


-- 
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     '92 Seca II "Yuri"  CI$:71101,2272  GEnie:R.LAWRENCE14
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