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From: tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton)
Subject: Re: Filching
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:15:06 GMT

WRT how stealing monsters can't give back the treasure they just took -- and
ostensibly have in their grimy little hands but you can't get it back if you
kill them:

Why not use the monster's lair a little more? Put the stuff there when it's
taken, just as if it were dropped. Of course, that would tend to make
stealing monsters somewhat less formidable. So I'd recommend a small chance
that they "lost" or "broke" the stuff, 15% - 20%.


        Tom

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 11:48:13 EDT
From: <IO00865@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Various Questions

I have been playing Moria version 4.something on the mac. Last night
I found a ring of see invisible. I was very happy. Anyway I went
a put on a ring of increase damage to fight a dragon and forgot to
put the ring of see invisible back on when I was done. I found that
I could still see the Ghost that came and thrashed me. What is
going on? On a related note is it possible to kill Ghosts? I've
handed some if them huge amounts of damage (mostly fire bolts, but also
a little of everything else) and they just don't die. What should I do?
Also in a related question I used a scroll of genocide to kill all "G"'s
but they still come and thrash me periodically. What does genocide do?
In the old games I used to play (rogue?) genocide got ride of all of
something forever. Clearly it doesn't anymore...

Thanks for any help,
Ethan
From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Filching (was Re: santuary)
Keywords: rogued, robbed, filched, bogued, taken
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:31:31 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Oct12.221951.27642@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA) writes:
>poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>you can't return the favor! Also, I realize that protecting your pouch
>>is a function of dex, but shouldn't a rogue character be more resistant
>>to thieving? Is it?
>But they tend to be anyway, as they start with higher dex on average than
>other character classes. Just like mages (although they can in time become

I often get Mage characters with very high dex. Does a Mage and Rogue with
the same dex have the same chance to 'protect their pouch' against a
thieving character? 

Also, I forgot a question I intended to ask before. Why is that after
you slay a creature that steals your money, they often do not have it!?
Where did they put it? Is there a bank that creatures may use that we
player characters don't know about!?

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Subject: Re: orb of draining
Originator: jhpace@c00581-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: orb damage SPOILER
Reply-To: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:13:46 GMT


 jhf@acsu.buffalo.edu (jfletch) writes:
>Hey again,
>   Another question from the new priest...  I know this has been posted 
>previously, but I can't find it.  How much damage does the orb of draining
>do, and how does the damage increase with level.
>   BTW, it's nice to find ego weapons early on... Awl-Pike(1d8)(FT)(+2,+3)
>at 350 ft...

According to the moria references:

Orb of Draining         3d6 + caster's level, double to evil creatures

I find this spell an all-around group death similiar to the wand of stinking
cloud.  Great for pesky vermin, liches, and dragons.

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Subject: Bows and arrows
From: Rob_Tan@kcbbs.gen.nz (Rob Tan)
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:00:34 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

I find that unless you're a Ranger or Warrior, range weapons are pretty 
much a waste of precious iventory space.. I did have a great time when 
I was walking around with a Heavy Crossbow (x4) (+8,+9), & Bolts of 
Slay Evil (+7,+6).. :-)..
From: Ekkehard_Kraemer@m4.maus.de (Ekkehard Kraemer)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: wand of acid ball
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:16:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14

hi,

Recently, on a wizard trip, I found a wand of acid balls. What damage does it
do?

MbG, Ekkehard
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to do WITHOUT explaining it over and over and o.....

... and tim booked two.
From: jvessey@husc11.harvard.edu (Jonathan Vessey)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Comparing Mac Morias
Keywords: There is currently a version of XMoria being tested.  It should be
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:51:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct16.235144.16465
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

For the past six months or so, I've been playing Moria on my Mac, using the
programs downloaded from Kukulcan as MacMoria 5.4 (and yes, I will win it
soon - have a 36th level ranger and 26th level priest (who found Ring of Speed
at 50 feet!)). Today at work, I was bored and decided to dig through the
archives of Umich. There I found a program called Moria1b.0 something. It
purports to be a port of UMoria 5.4 with some changes. It was written outside
the US, but I'm not sure where. From what I've seen, it does have a slightly
different use of color than the "traditional" MacMoria (sort of funky, to
be honest), but that's about the extent of the differences. Are there 
actually any great differences? I'd appreciate a few quick comparisons by
someone who's used both.

Thanks
Jon

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From: japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu (APJ)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: When's the PC color 5.5 coming out?
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:11:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

revg9691@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert E. Vines) writes:

>The subject line kinda says it all.  Also, will the person who
>posted the mono 5.5 find out why it's so damned large and fix
>it so I can play it on my ancient Compaq?

>Rob Vines
>r-vines@uiuc.edu


Um, if yer playing the PC version, grab yerself a copy of PKLITE.
It compresses .exe files, while allowing them to still run... My moria.exe
went from, oh, 420K to about 120K. *smile*
From: rjg2@ukc.ac.uk (R.J.Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: What Characters kill Mr B. Most
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:39:54 GMT
Reply-To: rjg2@ukc.ac.uk (R.J.Gibson)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

38th level male eleven mage, stats all 18/100 with a executioners (SD)
[+11 +12] 5d5 and shoes of speed and lots of invunribility (6 ithink)


then it was easy!!??


Ro.
From: mojo@reed.edu (adrenochrome)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Filching (was Re: santuary)
Keywords: rogued, robbed, filched, bogued, taken
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:29:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct15.042907.4092
Organization: Miskatonic University, Arkham, MA

In article <11100@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>Also, I forgot a question I intended to ask before. Why is that after
>you slay a creature that steals your money, they often do not have it!?
>Where did they put it? Is there a bank that creatures may use that we
>player characters don't know about!?

Well, what a monster is carrying isn't determined until you kill it.
There's no "inventory slot" for monsters, so no way for the game to remember
what they took...

If anyone can think of a way to fix this without having to change the
savefile format, I'd like to know.

	NT
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From: breaker@src4src.linet.org (Guy Sisalli)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: newbie
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:54:49 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <BvtLGK.5BE@unix.amherst.edu> mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (Marlon McDuck) writes:
>
>Newbie here...even with a friend who just waxed the Big B to advise me, lost
>a lev 10 warrior and lev 8 ranger...both to multiplying monsters (I have read 
>the article on how to deal with them but there was just no recourse)...
>wondering is there any way to make this game a li'l easier?
>
>Specifically:
>
>(1) Why is wealth so hard to find?  Granted I've only been down to 400 feet,
>but it takes a year to get any cash.

OK, first thing it remember is that the first expedition is the most important.
The equipment you but before you go into the dungeon for the first time can
mean the difference between disaster. Here's the best way to spend your cash:

Buy armor for every part of the body, but make sure you have enough left for:
one cure light wounds scroll/potion, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY:
A SHOVLE/PICK, after that, if you have anything left over, buy a better weapon
(a mace is a nice starting weapon, or other misc stuff)

But the shovle is the most important thing if you want money. a few treasure
detection scrolls and a means of digging will make you rich. Personaly, when
I start a character, I never go any lower than 150 untill I get to level 7. The
poor characters don't go past 50 feet(I swear, in 5.4, 50 feet is a GOLD MINE!!)
       d
  
>(2) Considering I'm too poor to WoR regularly, I spend 99% of my time hunting
>for stairs.  What to do?

Just chill. Buy alot of rations and light(lose the torches and switch to a
lantern as soon as possible), maybe some cure XX wounds and don't go any 
farther than you think you can handle.
 
>(3) The ranger seemed better than the warrior-- I also started a mage who was
>killed by the second monster he faced.  Am I picking the right classes?

No, you're not playing them right. The mage is NOT meant to tackle every
monster in sight(well, not initialy).  Generaly, the mage runs away from
everything in the beginning. I suggest either magic missile or phase door for
your first spells. Either roast them from far away, or hit and run.
 
>thanks in advance- Marlon

Also, about those breeders, when that stuff starts, close all the doors(spikes
help with the tougher ones) and teleport out of there. If you can't handle
that breeder, just SLAM THE DOOR AS FAST AS YOU CAN AND RUN!!! :)


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From: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing Magazines
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:02:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com


 My favorite is Bassmaters. It has many helpful hints and strategy's.
It has 10 issues a year and is around $24 plus a free hat.

 The best thing to do is decide on what type of fish you want to catch
and goto a book store and look at all of them. This way you get to sample
many magazines and choose the one you think will be appropriate for you. Also
a lot of times the magazines will have disscout inserts for new subscriptions.

>I'm a new fisherman.  My wife bought me a rod and reel for my birthday.

 O-Boy if you only new how much money your about to spend in the next couple
of years on fishing gear/toys...

Good Luck!!

-Greg
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: ddefend@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Dan Defend)
Subject: Re: Lake turnover
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.170938.8392@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.075602.25871@hemlock.cray.com> peder@cray.com writes:
>>
>>Would anyone care to explain the concept of lake turnover and how it affects
>>fish?  My basic understanding is that the surface temperature of a lake gets
>BO
>>colder than the temperature at the bottom of the lake; the warmer water then
>>rises, hence turnover.  But why don't the fish bite during turnover - all
>>I've heard is that "it makes the fish sick"?  How long after turnover before
>>the fishing picks up?  Does turnover only occur in deeper (30+ ft) lakes, or
>>doesn't the lake depth matter?  Do all lakes in a specific area turnover about
>>the same time?

If I remember right from my environmental sciences class, water is densest at
38 deg F (or right around there).  So in the summer, the the warm water is at
the top, and as you go down, the water gets cooler until you reach the
thermalcline, where the water is 38 deg from there to the bottom.  I think this
infers the answer to some of your questions (not why it makes fish sick
though).

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: mrein3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Matt Rein #3)
Subject: Walleye
To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Posted-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14: 29:47 cdt
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:29:47 GMT
Received-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14: 29:56 CDT

> 
> Are there any walleye  fishermen (or ladies) out there?
> If there are what are your favorite lakes and techniques?
> 

all time favorites:
  Mille Lacs, drifting Lindy/Roach Rigs with a big fat leach.
  "A lake north of Park Rapids and south of the Canadian border"
   jigging a Fuzzy Grub or a Fire-Ball and a leach or minnow.
  Anywhere in the BWCA, jigs.

current favorite:
  A lake NE of the Twin Cities on weeknights when nobody else is around
   using both of the above methods.

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- Matt Rein
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Rod Building
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:06:16 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <530010@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth) writes:
>In rec.outdoors.fishing, maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth) writes:
|
|> 
|> I just finished building my first fly rod and am very happy with the results.
|> Start by reading a book on it and studying the supplies catalogs to get a 
|
|Does anyone know why this message seems to be posting duplicates of itself 
|under additional basenotes without me having anything to do with it ?  
|Does notes do this on purpose ? Just curious. 

That's because notes will post a copy for each newsgroup and thread and will
display it even if you've seen it in another group.  It doesn't used article
id numbers the same way news does.

John "former HP'er and notes administrator"

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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: protecting rods
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:51:47 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1687A67AD.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
>Some things may give off an offensive odor to fish.  You may just have to

This brings a question to mind.  This summer, due to over-enthusiastic
wading, I got my fly boxes wet and many of the flies developed a musty smell
as a result.  Is this why I've been catching fewer fish lately?  (I desperately
need an excuse.)  I wouldn't think it would matter with dry flies.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Re: : Walleye
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:39:18 GMT

Walleye fishing wasen't very good for me this year just because of the weather.
We could not get out as much as we would have liked.  Lake Erie seemed to
get rough every time we had a free day to get out.  We fish mostly north of
Ashtabula in the central basin.  Wire line and a double rig using a spoon and
deep diving Bomber Long A works very well for us.  Colors will vary from day
to day.  Blue/silver, purple/black, white, fire tiger, and shad are some of
the main colors.  Walleys will be from 7 to 20 miles out and the schools are
always on the move after food.  A lot of guys use planner boards, dipsy divers
and down riggers. The planner boards work very well when the fish are shallower
and are spooked by the boat. The average size of the walleye are larger here
then the western basin around the islands.
Once in a while we will catch a steelhead as a bonus.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jkocik@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (John F. Kocik)
Subject: Re: Steelhead
Reply-To: jkocik@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
Organization: NOAA - National Marine Fisheries
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:37:14 GMT

In Lakes Michigan and Huron steelhead are frequently caught several miles offshore.  Anglers look for a scum line (aka drift lines, junk line etc.).  This is an area where upwelling of colder water forms a barrier to drifting surface items.  In these areas steelhead are frequently found close to the surface in the middle of summer.  Some anglers even flyfish for them.  I would expect similar conditions in Lake Erie.  But remember use caution when venturing this far offshore.

As to why steelhead are not as abundant in Lake Erie its not the presence of walleye per say (Wolverine View).  Lake Erie lacks the number and quality of coldwater tributaries of Lake Michigan and Lake Huron.  Many of the steelhead in the upper Lakes are wild fish produced in these streams.  Lake Erie just doesn't have the river resources to produce as many steelhead.  This is a major factor as well as the smaller amount of coldwater habitat in the lake (Spartan View).  Good Luck fishing !
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Steelhead
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:31:46 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <-_7-hv#@engin.umich.edu>, Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) writes:
> 
> Kill all of the Walleye, then you'll catch more steelhead.
> The problem in Lake Erie is the tremendous number of Walleye in the lake
> decimate the Steelhead Fry.
>
  This may be - probably is ? - true.  But I would like to present the opinion
  of one of the more "successful" charter boat captains in the eastern end of
  the lake:  his feeling, comparing Lake Erie to Lake Ontario, is that because
  everyone is convinced that the above is true, the stocking levels for steel-
  head, salmon, etc are much lower than they are in Lake Ontario and thus there
  aren't anywhere near as many of them.

  greg pavlov
  pavlov@fstrf.org
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: A bad day fishing...
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:45:47 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article<1992Oct14.191008.17038@osf.org>, bsmith@osf.org (Bruce Smith) writes:
> 
> For years, the [Cape Cod] Canal provided a source for some of my most 
> memorable
> fishing adventures. The last few years, though, have seen a sharp decline in
>fishing there, although I think stripers are still taken, and maybe some blues.

  My brother, who has spent many a night there over the past 7 years or so,
  feels that the fishing has improved in the last year or so.  Tho his primary
  target is striper, which seems to be making a comeback of sorts in a lot of
  places.  Three of us tried it one night two weeks ago; two used spinning rods
  and lures, the third a fly rod.  Caught apx. 10 smallish stripers and heard
  a lot jumping.  But didn't see any blues, etc.


  greg pavlov
  pavlov@fstrf.org
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: A bad day fishing...
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:48:01 GMT

In article <Oct15.021843.82722@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>I spent one summer in Boston. I had fun freshwater fishing, but was dismayed at the fishing at Cape Cod. Way overdeveloped, and never really caught anything.
>I did have a friend who said that bluefish can be fun in the harbor, but
>he wouldn't eat any because of the pollution. When I went to the harbor I
>understood better -- you could see the toxic s**t floating on the water! And
>I thought Galveston Bay was bad......
>
>I would suspect that with the development (and the subsequent pollution)
>as well as the shhhhhhhhhhtuff :-) from the harbor, yeah, it would hurt the
>fishing.
>
>Pat Fitzpatrick
>

In defense of Cape Cod fishing, it has been *outstanding* this year in
my opinion. The problem is that unless you are able to put in a lot of
time finding where and when to fish (or find some old-timer who's
willing to divulge the info), the odds are that you aren't going to be
successful. Of course, this is true of any place. I agree that
groundfishing isn't what it used to be, and this is true all up and
down the East Coast, but striped bass and bluefishing is the best it's
been in years. BTW Boston Harbor is getting noticeably cleaner lately,
due to the MWRA project. Now, if we can only keep those sewer rates
down :-(...



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