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From: conrad@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Conrad Yoder)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:40:54 GMT

In article <k4bqv4k@lynx.unm.edu> praveen@carina.unm.edu (parveen j seph.quintero sinaha) spews:

>Ugliness?  Deviance?  Delinquency?
>
>	To quote the _Principia_Discordia_- What is this shit man?
>Why do you consider any of this ugly, or for that matter what the
>*HELL* is wrong with "ugliness"?  You are telling me to live in a

[angst deleted]

>	Lose the fucking morals man- they are nonexistent and fabricated
>out of whole cloth.  They protect no one but those in power.
>
>					Praveen


ever read alt.bitterness...?

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:42:24 EST
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ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner) writes:
>
> Having restrained myself for well over a year, I finally must dive 
> into the issue of "Cyberpunk music."  In my opinion, there isn't 
> any.  And having said that, what do I think comes closest?  Some 
> (imphesis on some) Rock artists.  I know I'm being retro here, but 
> bare with me...

[stuff munched]

> Some Rush songs, the WHO's best stuff (Molly, can you see me?),
> not to mention Zepplin and Floyd, all have a CP edge and sensibility
> to them.

pardon? the punk sensibility was in direct opposition to such 
pretentious art rock. remember, we're talking about cyber *punk*, 
where image and raw power beats out the "k00lest" of Rush lyrics 
every time. 

jason

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From: melchar@shakala.rahul.net (Barbara Haddad)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:15:52 PST
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289

> >Industrial Society, I keep thinking, perhaps we have forgotten the
> >techings of Jesus.  We must recognize Jesus as our true savior as always
> >to lead us into the divine light of revelation.  Yet what do you people 
> >practice: Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency.  Jesus can show you all your
> >true path in life, and then maybe you can all co-operate and be friendly
> >with each other in industry.
> >
> >If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
> >them do unto you", 
> >
> >there would be no problems in society.AA
> >-Sgreever
> >E-mail me at sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu
> >
> 
> Oh wow. Gee I never thought of that. Wow, I really AM a deviant. I read
> gritty sci-fi, I have sex, I play role-playing games. Wow...I never
> realized. Gee...man. 
> 
> I have to thank you and comend you for pointing out the error of my ways.
> 
> So many souls, so little time eh? 

       ......& as for deviants, someone should have reminded Jesus to say 
his safeword during that crucifixtion scene......
                    (Yeah, I know I'll get flamed, but I'm blaiming
                    it all on too many RPGs, too much sex & seeing
                    the post I'm following far too often......)

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From: v067rcyf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: my ten favorite/sexiest machines
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   if i might butt in on the top ten machine thing,
   here are my choices:  (not necessarily in order of preference)

 1. VF-1S Super Valkyrie (macross movie)
 2. VR-041 Saber Cyclone (mospeada series)
 3. Garland              (megazone 23 II)
 4. Jaguar               (nice car, preferrably hunter green)
 5. Infiniti speakers    (man does that industrial pump)
 6. U.S.S. Constellation (it's so complex and well-engineered)
 7. pocket watch         (stem wound, none of that battery crap)
 8. Metropolis stuff     (ever see that movie? lookit all the stuff)
 9. Hitchhiker's Guide   (the one published by Ursa Minor Pub. Corp.)
10. 3 parallel linked 
    amigas with a built 
    in math coprocessor, (there's something like this out there,
    553 Meg CD-ROM and    by the company Virtuality, i tried it,
    100 Meg hard drive    i think i came)
    hooked to a VR visor
    and a dataglove

                                      i thank you...
                     --------------aardvark
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Books, um
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:18:48 GMT


A quick question first.  i remember reading a book 4 years ago called 
98.4 (methinks), it was supposed to be the temperature that a human
brain is kept at.  It was about this bloke who found the govt. or 
a private organisation was taking hippies and mindwashing them and then
using their brains in devices such as submarines and good stuff like this.

It was a good book, and relates a tad to the cp. A little.

Also I just finished Walter Jon Williams _The_House_Of_Shards.  Definately
not cp, more a sf comedy.  The only other book of his I have read is
_Voice_of_the_Whirlwind_, I have been unable to locate Hardwired.

Is he planning to release another book soon, is what I want to know. Or
have any of his stories appeared in magazines or suchlike???

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From: olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson)
Subject: Re: OMNI and Cyberpunk Article
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:20 EST  

In article <1992Nov10.005342.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes...
>What does anyone or everyone think about the Article in OMNI magazine about
>Cyberpunk..?? Latest issue (November)

I knew the article was pure tripe and journalistic fluff when they stated there
was a top-secret computer accessible from the net.  I worked at the Pentagon
for a number of years.  There are NO classified computer systems available from
the net anywhere.  Not confidential, secret or top-secret.  And from the other
statements, my guess is the "cyberpunk" being interviewed knows how to talk a
good game, and the author/interviewer doesn't know shit from shinola.

Dr. Forbin
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nicolai@lysator.liu.se (Nicolai Wadstr|m)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:32:09 GMT

morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:

>parsogd@wkuvx1.bitnet (Geoffrey Parsons, WKU) writes:

>>   How about some industral music? This would be the most apt type of
>> music for a Cyberpunk genre movie. I would suggest _Nine Inch Nails_, 
>> or _Front Line Assembly_.

>FLA, definatly.  But NIN?... nah.  Too.. soft.  Gotta have that
>nails-on-blackboard bangbangbangbang sound.  I'm almost tempted to say FLA is
>too wimpy.  But, hey, I can't think of anything better.

>Maybe just have some guy bang some electronic equiptment together violently.
>Smash a keyboard into an empty chassis for that echo effect... yeah.


FLA, or maybe 808 State... Some of their material would really fit into
a Neuromancer Movie or somethin like that.
Maybe, CyberAktif, they play some kind of industrial techno...

/ nic



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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: OMNI and Cyberpunk Article
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:53:42 GMT

What does anyone or everyone think about the Article in OMNI magazine about
Cyberpunk..?? Latest issue (November)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ebratton@cs.uiuc.edu (Erich)
Subject: WANTED:PEOPLE TO HELP WITH A GAME...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:44:48 GMT

Hi there!  I'm working with a few other people on making a graphical mud-like
unix based multiperson game that will be based on a cyberpunk world.  It's 
in the very early stages right now, and I'm working on creating the city that
will be the main focus of the game.

What I'm looking for is some creative people to help me out by  
making up some lists of names and stuff for me.  For 
example, I'm going to need a list of names of bars to put in the game, such
as 'The Blue Parrot', 'Elroys', etc.

Instead of just posting what specific lists I am looking for 
and getting random responses, I would like anyone willing 
to help (and get credit in the game :) ) to just email me back.

I'm relatively new to alt.cyberpunk, but I'll try and keep you all up to date
on the progress of this game.

--Erich

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: praveen@carina.unm.edu (parveen j seph.quintero sinaha)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:28:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Ugliness?  Deviance?  Delinquency?

	To quote the _Principia_Discordia_- What is this shit man?
Why do you consider any of this ugly, or for that matter what the
*HELL* is wrong with "ugliness"?  You are telling me to live in a
happy happy joy joy society with stupid contented sheep.  You dont
call that ugly, but you consider sex, drugs and rock and roll ugly.
Thats a lot like the attitude toward art.  Not so long ago, any thing
done on walls by spraypaint was considered ugly, and obscene.  Hell,
some fascist cities still do.  The point is, that it is art, and it
is beautiful, in a realist type of way.  Michelangelo, and a lot of 
the Renassaince/Christian painters portrayed heaven, and utopia with
lots of smiling people.  I consider *that* ugly as hell.  If I had the
Cistine chapel somewhere in my neighborhood, I would be highly tempted
to paint over it.  Your vision of beauty disgusts me far more than any
Christian hell can.
	Any philosophy that considers pleasure deviant is really
not a philosophy that goes with logic, man.  The only people 
"deviance" bothers are the people who want to be bothered by it.
I defy you to name anything that consenting masturbation, bondage
, or any type of sex disrupts besides the people who have it.  It
DOESNT.  What's more is that sex is NATURAL.  Suppressing sex I 
assure you will probably cause a LOT more damage than free sex will.
	Love and Cooperation?  The only equal society is a *FREE*
society.  Not just a society with no governmental interference, but
a society with no societal interference.  A place friends, family
teachers, employers, and the public in general can kiss your fucking
ass if they dont like what you do.  I assure you, this society is no-
where near that state.  We need to follow less of Jeezus and a lot more
along the lines of Proudhon and others.  Its time people face up to 
their freedom, and stop hiding behind the fucking fascist blindfolds
of people like Jesus and Reagan and Stalin and Hitler, along with the
list of the countless millions of powerfreakos duping the masses.
	Yes, I know, 100% flame, but it really pisses me off when
people say what is right and wrong.
	Lose the fucking morals man- they are nonexistent and fabricated
out of whole cloth.  They protect no one but those in power.

					Praveen 
 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Re: alt.cyberpunk and the jesus post
Keywords: none
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:02:52 GMT

In article <gregn.721466805@coombs> gregn@coombs.anu.edu.au (Gregory Newton) writes:
>	I _like_ this group.

[long winded accoloade for alt.cp wiped]
>
>	Maybe cyberpunks despite predominantly being white, anglo saxon,
>middle class, male technofreaks with an obsession with the somewhat bleak,
>violent and oppressive world of W. Gibson et al are the ones to help
>stop that world becoming a reality.
>
>	- Cloud (Greg N)
>
>OBTW Does anyone know of any good cp that deals with social issues
>from a more direct point of view than characters being stuck in
>a bleak world ( or for that matter religion etc ) ???
>
Well you might take a look at (not a cp book) _When the Music's Over_ which
is an anthology of stories dedicated to peace and was edited by Lewis Shiner.
I let it slip through my hands a while back and haven't seen a copy since so
it may be difficult to locate. It does include works by Sterling, Shirley
and Robert Anton Wilson.

-Tim

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: carlsoje@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu (Joel Carlson)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:31:00 GMT

In article <BxHpHn.ABC@ns1.nodak.edu> vender@plains.NoDak.edu (Does it  
matter?) writes:
> Delinquency, Ugliness, and Deviance?  If these are the only crimes I  
commit
>   in my life, I will be a just man, sir.  Perhaps someone needs to  
explain
>   why these are not evils?
> 
> Delinquency?  What right do I have to stop anyone from experimenting
>   in order to judge right from wrong?  Is this not how we learn as
>   children, by making mistakes?  Did not man eat from the tree of  
knowledge,
>   and thus learn good and evil (although are children appear to have  
forgotten
> 
> Do as you will, for it is the only instruction a just individual does
>   need.
> --Brad

Even christ wasn't fullfilled, as diety, until he spent some time in the  
flesh.  Love wisdom, sin, and learn!

The way I see it is that life is only pleasure-pain-and-the-void, unless  
you are an expert system. 

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 
Joel Carlson				|  History, read it and weep!
carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu            	| 
University of Minnesota, Morris         |  Kurt Vonnegut
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: lbrother@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Larry Brothers)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:02:28 GMT

In article <1dnctjINNelv@morrow.stanford.edu> salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.045732.19317@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire) writes:
>>I agree. I believe that churches should not be in the moneymaking business,
>
>	Yes, tax church property if it is not related directly to
>worship, and don't allow for activities on a non-profit basis that
>are political and not related to worship or to charity.
>
>


To all who flamed and re-flamed the original poster with far more
vitriol than any fundamentalist I've ever seen post, I'd like to
recommend a D.H. Lawrence novella, "The Man Who Died", wherein Jesus
is resurrected, not in a blaze of glory, but as a *man*, mortally
wounded.  Lawrence always believed that the physical-mystical was
equally as important as the spirtual-mystical, that the 'other side of
the coin' was unstamped.  

But, you ask, which side is 'the other'?

Good question.

Love,

Larry
lbrother@banshee.vla.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.music.industrial,alt.industrial
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:50:29 GMT

jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:

>mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik) writes:
>> 
>> The sexism of the hip young man of to-day isn't as blatant, but it 
>> *is* in our language, and it may take a very very long time before 
>> it can be eradicated.

>waitjustagoddarnminnit. language is nothing more than a system of
>symbols. the only meanings are the ones attached to the sounds by
>the listener and the speaker. language by itself cannot be sexist.

Jason's correct of course, and I apologize for my is-of-identity
type usage..... However, turn the question around: could one design
a language which promotes sexism? Since english has numerous words
which can mean more than one thing, let's make up E-sexist which is
just like english 'cept that the words "rape" and "woman" are
eliminated and the concepts behind those become additional definitions
for the words "honor" and "slave". Thus a phrase "Man honors slave"
may mean (in context) either what it implies in normal english but
might also mean "Man rapes woman" in E-sexist. Thus one might confuse
the act of rape and consider that the women is elevated somehow by
the attack itself... certainly not an unknown concept in some lit...

Or in other words, a language which associates certain concepts with
masculine principles (i.e,perhaps concepts like honor, glory, progress,
knowledge, strength, etc) may be "sexist" or promote sexism esp. if
other concepts (slave, dirt, stupidity, weakness) are associated with
feminine principles. Such association may only be words which might
sound similar. I'm not a prof. linguist but imho if such a language
could be designed then this implies that it's certainly concievable
that English might contain pro-sexist elements which affect us on a
subconscious level.

Ex: I think Budweiser (Bud) is a popular beer not because of its
horse piss flavor quality but because it's easy to say when drunk;
just press your lips together and expel air explosively. One could
burp and unexpectedly find the waitress bringing another round. A
nice white wine requires more effort and control to order.

In any case there's literature in which language becomes an element
of control, NewSpeak being a prime example. English words for war,
gun, kill are easy-to-learn being so short while concepts which might
be in some sense feminine (i.e.,cooperation, coexistance) are
longer. Seriously, I don't know, but figure it might be worth some
research.

	-Mike

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From: torh@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Tor Houghton)
Subject: Place
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:35:53 GMT

What is the name of the place Roy (Rutger Hauer) mentions when he's
about to die in Blade Runner? What he says is as follows, if I can
remember correctly...

...I have seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attacks ships, on
fire, on the shoulder of Orion... I've seen C beams glitter in the
dark near the [??] gate. All these things will be lost, in time, like...
*ngh*...tears, in rain. Time, to die...

Hope you can help me for no particular reason.

Cheers!

Tor


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Sheila Herndon)
Subject: vague
Summary: I ramble on about nothing really,
Keywords: cyberpunk psychiatrist. next installment - the cyberpunk evolutionary sociologist
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:04:14 GMT


	I'm having fun coming up with cyberpunk images. (using cyberpunk
loosely anyway. give me a break. I don't care if it is not cyberpunk. my
word. I"ll use it how I wanna. blah on you.)
	Anyway, cyberpunk psychoanalysis? just wondering how this would
work.
	Make up these rules, no drugs, no prosethitic devices, just a crazy
freudian, (or some other kinda crazy guy) living in your own private
cyberpunk fantasy trying to function as some hapless character's analyst.
	-make him exageratted. okay? probably isn't a lotta docters
who will claim psycho drugs are useless, (and by extension, if you
want to pretend there are futuristic prosthetic hypothalmises (insert
appropriate word here) - well, this guy doesn't approve.)
	make up some fun reason why he doesn't approve. (cf philip k dick -
short story, the naturals and the anti-naturals (the other groups name
escapes me) making laws over cosmetics. (not the point of the story but fun
nontheless --- your pschoanalysis dissaproves of drugs or prosethetics because
of his religion or aesthetics, idunno, maybe he's sadistic and wants to make
	           ^^^^^^^^^^
you go through some sort of behavior treatment. (

		off the subject - yeah, there all these people here in a 
	subculture wearing these silly decorated helmets. electronically
active, and you get to pick which part of the helmet is active and resistance...
people get killed on bets you know - gross electrical stimiluation of the
	brain, it's a fad. an interesting one. Think of all the ways helmets
can be status symbols, paint, coily wires, all sorts of coloured feathers.
etc etc and so on)

he's a wacko. anyway, Think of all his poor patients trying his snake oil
treatments. one is sitting in bright light 2o hours a day. with feet in
cold water, holding a hair dryer. Use your imagination. Investigate the guy, 
he's probably doing something illegal or experimenting on his patients. 

I like the eccentric old-fashioned freudian carryover idea better. won't
use drugs wont' use machines. strict talk out. or maybe behavoir reinforcement.
slightly funny juxtaposed in a hypefast psychiatrist's world.



		(actually, I'm more interested in evolutionary sociology. 
sounds fun. Neat term. I just made it up. Will anyone tell me if it already
exists? I could go look up a definition or something)
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