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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:54:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Nov10.105436.1
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Nov9.184931.7399@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
> 
>     Well, the direct quote is not much less arrogant.  Dye said "Who
> are they gonna get to replace me?  Don James?  Dennis Ericson? 
> They've both got great programs where they are.  It will be hard for
> them to get somebody better than me."  
.
. (Pat Dye Stuff deleted)
.
> 
>     My personal feeling is that Pat Sullivan will return from Horned
> Frog country to the head coaching job at auburn.  That, I think,
> sticks painfully in Dye's craw.  Sullivan seems to have put himself
> just where he wants to be.  He left Auburn before all hell broke
> loose and got a year's experience as a head coach.  What do I know
> though?  I can't claim to be close to Auburn's program at all.  What
> are the feelings on the Plains David?

Well Guy, the general consensus is that Dye is gone, it is a done deal.  Of
course, this is all coffee talk, no one has any real proof/evidence, etc.
If Dye were to luck up and beat Bama (and Georgia), he might get to stay.

As for who would replace big Pat, I've heard:

Don James (I heard this before Pat blabbed to the press) - I find it
   hard to believe that Don would leave Washington to come here,
   plus we don't need ANOTHER coach with NCAA problems!

Danny Ford - He is a good old boy, cow raising, redneck, so he would
   fit right in.  He has repeatedly said that he doesn't want to 
   leave S. Carolina.  I think he wants the SC job so he can whip up
   on Clemson for giving him the boot.

Wayne Hall - AU's defensive coordinator.  We could do worse I guess.
   If Pat goes, he might get swept out with him.

Terry Bowden - 1-AA Samford's head coach.  Pretty successful there.  I don't
   know, there is only one Bowden I would like to get here and he's not
   leaving Tallahassee.

Pat Sullivan - I heard this a lot when Pat left, that he would return
   someday to be the AU head coach.  He would be an extremely popular
   choice.  His one year at TCU has been somewhat unspectacular so
   far (2-6-1), though the win over Texas has to help.  I wish he could
   stay at TCU another few years and get some more experience.  Pat
   seems to know how to beat Alabama.  He was 2-1 as a player against
   the tide (3-1 if you count the freshman team victory) and 4-2 as
   an assistant coach.  I rate Pat a long shot to return next year.

Vince Dooley - He's not all that old.  The rumor is he would coach us
   during the probation, then retire.  He is an old Auburn man (played here
   in the 50's).  I'll believe it when I see it.

Like I said, this is all just talk, not proof, it could all be crap (in
fact, some of it has to be).

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Billy Joe Woes
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:03:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data I/O Corporation

In article <1992Nov6.201124.16189@u.washington.edu> apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman) writes:
#
#I recently heard some news on KJR that some of the coaching staff (not
#Don James) may have been aware of the fact that Billy Joe had gotten
#a large loan.  

As far as I know, that statement is incorrect. All my sources, including
the local papers, TV, radio, and a friend who's an Assistant AD at the UW,
indicate that the coaches knew that Billy Joe was going to get a loan,
but they were not aware, nor were they told of the amount or the source.

Hell, even the article in the Seattle Times said this:

	Hobert said he told several Husky assistant coaches he planned
	to get a loan in the spring, but did not provide them with the
	name of the lender or amount of the loan. 

IMO, the coaching staff handled this situation properly. What should
the coaches have done? Forbidden Billy Joe to get a loan? 

Another quote from the article in the Seattle Times sums up Coach James'
atitude towards letting players live their own lives.

	"If he's violated rules, then there would be discipline," James 
	 said. "But I don't have any rules that say what the hell players
	 do with their lives. That's not my job. We have academic rules,
	 we have NCAA rules for eligibility, but I'm not a judge. There's
	 a lot of things that players do. I let them walk around with
	 cellular phones, wear earrings, which I don't particularly enjoy.
	 But I don't run their lives." 

I've had dinner with Coach James several times and I know that the
man believes strongly in both the team concept and the individual 
concept. There are things that he doesn't like, but he does not
prevent them from happening because, if he did, he would be over-
stepping his bounds.

#
#Please don't flame me for these thoughts, I'm just looking at some scenarios.

I'm not flaming. I'm just trying to clear up an apparent misunderstanding.

Coach James is running a clean program, and has done so for the past 
18 years. Coach James runs a clean program. Period.

#Who knows what will happen?

My quess: Billy Joe will be suspended, or possibly lose the rest of his
eligibility. I don't think that the Team will suffer any punishment.

-- 
Cal...                        "Mountain Dew and doughnuts:
                               because breakfast is the most
jewell@Data-IO.COM             important meal of the day."
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rice vs. Baylor (was: Re: Trevor Cobb 6, Lloyd Hill 0)
Keywords: n
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:53:11 GMT
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Organization: Amoco Production


TCU is the ONLY team in the SWC that has natural grass.  Several of the 
other schools have looked at it, but none of them have bitten.  Most of
the schools use their football fields for other things...  Like soccer
classes or field hockey, etc, etc.  It would just be too expensive to 
try and keep natural grass alive in these summers, with that kind of 
traffic on them.

cmuck


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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Let the praying begin...
Keywords: nn
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:34:59 GMT

>>A: Having to beat Miami by 1 for the MNC
>>B: Having to beat (Florida State/Notre Dame/Washington or Arizona) by 20+
>>      and wait to see...
>>
>Pretty touch choice!
> 
>A: A&M couldn't beat Miami by 1 (unless you count the Vegas point spread)

We couldn't beat Auburn with Bo Jackson or Notre Dame with Tim Brown either.

>B: Each of those team would probably kill A&M  (20+ in your dreams!)

FSU beat us by 8 last year, when we turned the ball over 8 times...

>
>How about a third choice:
>C: Meet Stanford in a bowl game rematch. A&M would have a tough
>time winning again, the way the Trees have been playing. (Three loses,
>but only to Top Ten teams.)

I would love a rematch... this time we wouldn't have to fool around..
You claim to have been "rebuilding" and all of that stuff, has it occured
to you that we were doing the like?

>So, lose to Texas, and save yourself the frustration of praying for
>the MNC! :^)  Maybe Stanford will finish in or near the Top Ten and play 
>you again in the Mobil Bowl. (Now I'm dreaming. :^} )

lose to Texas?!?  NOT!!!  :-)  I can't wait to hear the recruiting stuff
this year...
recruit: "But RC, what if I have always dreamed of playing for the Horns?"
RC: "Well son..  They did lose to TCU...."

of course, now that I have said that, TCU will probably pull the miracle 
of all miracles and not only beat Texas, but beat A&M, IN THE SAME YEAR!

>
cmuck
From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:02:06 GMT
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In a message dated Tue 10 Nov 92 19:31, Chengyul@sal-Sun63.usc.edu (cheng-Y
wrote:

 CSY> Don't forget: Last year Florida beat Alabama 35-0. They also beat
 CSY> FSU 14-9. There
 CSY> is no reason why Gator can not beat them this year. The Gator will
 CSY> go to Sugar
 CSY> Bowl with 9-2. Vol lost to two weak teams, Bama only beat one ranked
 CSY> team. There
 CSY> will be a good matchup in the SEC championship game : Gator @ Bama.

I'm a Gator fan.  But I'm a realistic one, too.  When Florida beat Alabama
last year, they were stocked with talent and seniors.  This year the Gators
have a great many freshmen and young players playing.  Spurrier, when he
first came to Florida, said that 1992 would be the hardest year because
recruiting for that class wasn't that great when the Gators were on
probation 4 or so years ago.

Nonetheless, we'll see how they pull through.. :)

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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--GotW picks
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.10NOV199213032850
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <TOMA.92Nov7193757@db.TC.Cornell.EDU>, toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes...
>	Alternate Game otW	1 Washington
>				  vs
>				17 Arizona     Dogs bite Cats
> 
>Hmm... Try #12 Arizona

I've got 'em #10 this week.

>The Pac-10
>is definately the best conference by far this year.

I'll agree with this.

> Looking forward to an Orange or Cotton Bowl win for the Cats.

I look for them to land in the Fiesta Bowl.


R Dendy
From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big 8 woof
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:34:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: titan.1992Nov9.203457.23279
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin

scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:


>[from Athlon's 2 deep preseason roster]
>KU loses
>	Off:
>	line-Marcum,Loneker
>	QB-Hilleary
>	RB-Cozzens, Douglas, Johnson
>	WR/TE-Licursi, Gay
>	Def:
>	line-Moore, Brown, Stubblefield
>	LB-Bailey
>	DB-Bowen

Great information, Scott!  But you forgot to list

Coach-Mason

if you are to believe the rumor mill.



						Al
						alan@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Reggie Brooks for Heisman
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:32:44 GMT

	People can say all that they want about Marshall Faulk, Garrison Hearst, Gino Torreta, and the rest, but IMHO Reggie Brooks deserves some serious
consideration for the Heisman. The guy is averaging around 8.5 yards/carry and
is one one the hardest, and most exciting players I have seen. In Holtz's 
system no one running back is goign to get more than about 15 carries a game
which makes Brooks 1000+ yards in 9 games very remarkable. He is the first 
1000 yard rusher in the Holtz era. It's just too bad that many times the 
Heisman candidates are decided before the season starts because he definitely
derserves a look.

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From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: whatif....
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:24:17 GMT

|> >What if Miami loses leaving Alabama and Texas A&M the only undefeated
|> >teams in the cartel.  Would they be allowed to play each other
|> >someplace?
|> 
|> If this scenario happens, it is not possible for them to play each other
|> for a national champion.  SWC and SEC champion is locked to the Cotton
|> and Sugar bowl respectively. 

... and in r.s.f.c tradition, Alabama would be accused of "hiding in the
Sugar Bowl", and TAMU would be "hiding in the Cotton Bowl".  What's that
bowl game played in Pasadena each January First?
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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: OSU attendance (WAS: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:22:42 GMT

In article <BxM5zK.4nD@hfglobe.intel.com> sting@hfglobe.intel.com (Joe Bennett) writes:
>
>While there is no in-state competition for the talent, I think *any* coach
>coming to tOSU is gonna have a hard time swinging players away from Michigan.
>For example, Desmond Howard and Elvis Grbac are just two of the many, many, many
>Ohio players on the Michigan squad.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding about Desmond Howard
was that he went to Michigan only b/c Ohio State already had Carlos Snow (?).  
He wanted to go to OSU, but didn't b/c he was worried about PT.  Now we all
know that he would have been a welcome addition at OSU (although I doubt he
would have won the Heisman at OSU.  The buckeyes never go to just one guy).
Don't know anything about Grbac.

>Now, being a Michigan student on leave in Cali, I'm gonna get flamed
>tremendously for this, but I think it's because of Michigan's academic record
>that is the reason for players coming to Michigan.  You add that to the fact
>that tOSU fans seem to be constantly looking for the coaches head on a platter,
>and you make it very, very hard to recruit.

Michigan, in my opinion, would be the best school in the nation to go to 
if you were undecided on your major.  They have great programs in just
about every major.  It may be extremely liberal, but its still a good 
school.  Don't kid yourself though.  I doubt that very many athletes 
choose their college by its academic standards, especially not the athletes
who will go on to the NFL.  Why else would players go to schools like
Miami, Florida State, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc. ?  [ :-) for the ND part]

>Please, put the flame thrower away.  :-)

Pat Lawson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: brule@cheetah.cat.syr.edu (Mark R. Brule)
Subject: Re: What's the Bowl picture?
Organization: Coherent Research, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:18:09 EST

In article <Bx74pA.JJB@ra.nrl.navy.mil> salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:

>Fiesta Bowl:?


The speculation 'round these parts is that this is shaping up to be a Syracse v.
Arizona matchup.  This is appealing as an East/West matchup, with Syracuse 
delivering a strong NY/Philly/Boston TV share.

The invitation of Syracuse looks fairly solid at this point, since BC got spanked
by Notre Dame, and thus falls to 3rd in the Big East.  If BC beats the Orange on
Saturday (3:30 EST ABC) this could become doubtful.  IF Syracuse should beat BC and
Miami, there is the possibility that they could advance over Miami for #1 in
the Big East.  However, due to the fact that Arizona jumped SU in the polls, 
leaving SU at 10th, it seems unlikely that SU could pass Miami.

The SU/Arizona matchup would be a rematch of the Aloha bowl a few years back,
when SU prevailed 28-0.  These are two entirely different teams, though.  Personally,
Arizona is the _last_ team I'd like to play on New Years day.  A defense that held
Udub and Miami to a total of 11 points would probably embarass SU.  (Anti-woofing
gods please note: I am sincere!)

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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Hobert, UW on the ropes.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:24:27 GMT

>I also read that if he is found guilty, they (UW) will most likely have
>to forfeit all the games he has played in.  Wouldn't that make them 0 -
>however many games he has played in?  Wow! So much for the #1 ranking or
>can they still win being technically 0 - whatever, but still won all
>their games?
>
>Susan Wagner
>Colorado Buffalo fan in Pittsburgh, PA

Susan, have you been reading Beano Cook again?


GT
From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: What makes a team #1?
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:14:48 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <1992Nov9.182436.13432@newssun.med.miami.edu>,
by dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown):

> I'm getting sick of all these uninteresting views about
> who is supposedly the number one team in the country.
> Nobody has really addressed the issue of what makes a 
> team number one.  I hope there are plenty of intelligent
> responses to this article...                 ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Interesting stuff deleted...]

> Other criteria are suspect to politics and favoritism.  As 
> an example, Miami can be faulted for allowing 23 points to
> West Virginia in their last game: a #1 wouldn't allow that
> many points.  But anyone who saw the game knew that by the
> fourth quarter this game was over and second-, third-, and
> fourth- stringers were playing.  There are many other equally
> dubious examples.

I can only add to the list of what should *not* be used as
a criterion for choosing #1: I call it the "King of the Hill
factor", or for scientists, "polling inertia".  This phenomenon
leads to a situation where a team lays claim to a ranking
(#1 or whatever) and is not likely to relinquish it without
losing or otherwise performing terribly.  This flawed thinking
afflicts us all; hence the outrage when Miami and Washington
switched places last week.  Clearly, many felt that Miami
should have been the default #1 due simply to their occupation
of that slot the previous few weeks.  The switch need not have
been due to anything more than a change of heart on the part
of some poll voters, perhaps based on the fact that the Huskies
had beaten the daylights out of one of the best teams in the
country, and appeared to be waltzing throught the best conference
in the world.

The same works for rankings throughout the poll.  For example,
I would not rank ND ahead of Arizona.  But the Irish "own"
number 8, and hadn't done enough wrong to relinquish it.

> I think these pollster people have to figure out a more
> appropriate of determing who is #1.  After all, winning a 
> national championship is about winning, not about which coast
> that team is from, how badly they beat everyone, and what
> bowl they played in, etc.  
> 
> Dan
>

--

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sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:56:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <X2A=70#@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> 	It it not arrogance.  Its percentages.  Do you seriously think
> that the team with the talent of the Huskies would play as poorly as they
> did against Arizona two weeks in a role?  

They didn't play poorly - they got their asses kicked by a better team. 
Arizona totally shut down the run and then played their bend but don't 
break pass defense and simply destroyed the Huskies...



			gln
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WE WANT MIAMI!!
Keywords: Nebraska best team in the nation again!
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:13:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccall.1992Nov9.101324
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <skipb.721191476@cwis>, skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell) writes:
>So I'm rooting for Bama and A&M to get upset so we can play Miami again and
>see in a reversal of the 1983 OB game. I now believe we can beat Miami in
>Miami. Anyway, I'd like to have the chance to prove it. C'mon Florida and
>Texas, help us out! :-)
>
You're a fool, Skip.  If the OrangeBowl were a neutral site, then
having anyone there would be fine.  But that is Miami's homefield.
Why not just have the OrangeBowl played in Lincoln?  I still think
that all bowls should be played on a neutral field.
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From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:33:07 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Nov10.183639.266@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
> 
>     The problem with this theory is that Alabama doesn't "load up"
> against anything.  The pass rush is the 3 or 4 down linemen and the
> rest of the defense just lines up and says "bring it on".
>
Well, everyone they've played so far (except Tennessee) has a very one-
dimensional (or no-dimensional) offense -- they can either a) run but
not pass, b) pass but not run, or c) do neither.  "Loading up" was not
meant to refer to the pass rush, but to the schemes run by the linebackers
and db's (notice how many people are within, say, 8-10 yards of scrimmage
against running teams, or how many dbs they have in against passing teams).
 
>     Let's see, that would be the same Jay Barker who ripped Ole Miss
> for almost 400 yards passing in route to a 31 - 10 victory when they
> decided not to worry about the passing game, wouldn't it?  I, along
> with Alabama's receiving corps I'm sure, sincerely hope that MSU
> leaves the passing game out of the equation.

Yep, same one.  "Even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while".
Every time I've had occasion to see Jay play (which I'll admit is not
that often), he's done his best Stan White imitation and regularly thrown
the ball into the dirt in front of wide-open receivers (or into the stands,
etc.).  Now if he could just learn to throw those interceptions like Stan ;-).

As to holding the Bama running game in check, lesser defenses than MSU's have
accomplished that this year.

Larry Owen
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