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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook 100 and the others!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:50:52 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <71573@apple.Apple.COM>, bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes:
> The market decided they didn't like the Powerbook 100 for some reason.
> BUT now that the price has come way down, NOW they like it.

Interesting. I didn't realize until a day or two ago that there was ever
any market resistance to the PowerBook 100. As far as we're concerned they
(and the rest of the PowerBook family) have been a runaway success.
My boss (#2 boss, not #1 boss) told me he had about 35 of the 100's in
stock as of April, and three months later they were all gone. This is being
sold into a population of 6000 students and something close to 1000 staff.

My boss himself had a 100 for eight months, up until about 3 weeks ago,
when #1 boss persuaded him to trade it and his desktop IIcx in, for a 170
that would serve as both office and portable machine. He wasn't completely
without regrets, even with the Envisio interface so he could keep his colour
monitor. As he said, the 100 was "more of a Mac" than the 140/170.
And I know what he means.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
"How did you know they were sergeants' quarters?" "There were ten huts."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ajr3@quads.uchicago.edu (Alain Roy)
Subject: Color Problem on LC
Summary: Can't do 16 bit color.
Reply-To: ajr3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:32:18 GMT

  A friend of mine has an LC with 16 colors. The weird thing is, whenever 
i go to the Monitors Control Panel and set it to 16 colors, it goes back to
black and white mode. The apple icon on the apple menu is black and white
and icons are displayed in black and white (unless it's labeled, then the 
whole thing is one color). Programs still work in Color. 

He's running System 7.

I tried replacing the monitors cp, the finder, and eventually the entire
system. no help. No, when i switch to 16 colors, it goes to 16 colors, until
i leave the monitors control panel. then back to black and white, although
it still says i'm in 16 colors.

anyone seen this behavior? help!

i'll only be on internet for a week, so replies after that won't be read for
a month.

thanx in advance for any help.

-alain roy

ajr3@midway.uchicago.edu
From: bms@penguin.eng.pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: First Taligent Won't Run Existing Apps
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:49:38 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, San Jose, Ca.

Edward,
I agree with your list of comments, with the following exceptions:

In article <ewright.714340143@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
| >Pre-Emptive Multitasking?
| 
| No, thank God!  I don't want an OS that can come along and hit
| an application over the head while it's doing something critical
| like updating the screen or interacting with the user.

Just a thought, but maybe the application shouldn't be updating the
screen or handling other IO devices directly.  If a multitasking OS were
to handle the screen updates, on behalf of the application, the visual
interface would not be impacted.

|  Preemptive
| multitasking only works well for noninteractie, batch-oriented
| systems or interactive systems with multiple processors.  

"works well" is somewhat subjective, but just as a point of reference,
I've seen preemptive multitasking systems "work well" in a visually
interactive environment.

| >Symmetric Multi-Processing?  
| 
| I'm not even sure what this is.  If it's anything more than
| marketing speak, I'd like to hear more.

Some companies are shipping true SMP machines.  SMP usually refers to
an architecture where N processors have equal access to memory and
IO devices.  This is in contrast to other MP architectures such as
master-slave.

-- 
bruce schlobohm
bms@pyramid.com
From: strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Where to get floppies cheap?
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:18:50 GMT
	<l9m61jINN250@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.


    v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne) writes:
   >>What are everybody's favorite sources for inexpensive floppies

Service Merchandise (a catalog-type store like Best Products) has 3.5"
HD disks for about $10/box of 11.  These are name-brand, like Fuji or
Verbatim.  These stores are in the Northeast, I don't know if they're
elsewhere in the country as well.

	Steve

	
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|   Digital Equipment Corp.  |   necessarily those of my employer, or       |
|   Nashua, NH 03062-2698    |   of anyone else, for that matter.           |
|   strange@zk3.dec.com      |                                              |
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From: pegasus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Betty Lee)
Subject: Re: A Petty Question
Organization: Stanford University -- Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:03:36 GMT

grabenst@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Michael Grabenstein; ACS (GUEST)) writes: 

+ klarson@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kris Larson) writes:
+ >Why is it that the little Mac logo on my startup screen ("Welcome to
+ >Macintosh") no longer is in color?  I recently had the logic board replaced
+ >on my LC (the sockets weren't holding my SIMMs in place), and since then
+ >that logo has been black and white.  Can it be changed back?
+
+ 	There is some switch telling the system that you have a
+ BW system. I have never found it, but this is the best thing I 
+ can think of to explain it. I have just re-installed the system 
+ from disk. Note sometimes I have to trash the system before
+ I re-installed it. Or if you have a back up of your system file
+ (which is a real good idea) you can jsut copy it back into the
+ system folder.

Rebuilding the system is a bit drastic, isn't it?  The logo tends to
lose its color every time I zap my PRAM, but if I fiddle with the
Monitors control panel, it's normally fine again.  Of course, if you
only installed a minimal system, that's a different story...

-- 
         Betty Lee          | What Every Computer Consultant Needs to Know:
      P. O. Box 5748        |   1) In case of doubt, make it sound convincing.
    Stanford, CA 94309      |   2) Do not believe in miracles.   Rely on them.
Pegasus@Leland.Stanford.EDU |       --Murphy's Computer Laws (Finagle's Rules)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE)
Subject: IBM disk init?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:06:00 GMT

  I have heard of an init which makes IBM disks in a super drive act just
like mac disks.  I would greatly appreciate any information on where to
get this from.

Thanks alot! 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Organization: UNLV
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:51:19 GMT


You said IBM teamed up with apple so they wouldnt have to jump
through legal battles with apple on the interface... Actually
when apple and IBM got together apple brought IBM into a project
that was already very much (2 years+) under way... Apple and IBM
got together for other reasons then just lawyers... Apple wanted
IBMs chip tech and name and IBM wanted apple's ideas and software.
From: usdta004@mmm.serc.3m.com (Timothy S. Shea)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:56:42 GMT
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US

From article <1992Aug28.064658.29178@CS.ORST.EDU>, by pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne):
> [Stuff Deleted on another subject]
> 
> Both of the above tasks are easily performed on my 486/33.  The renaming 
> of the disk took me under a minute, and the the creating of an icon to
> launch several tasks simultaneously is simpler on my PC than on my Mac
> (Yes I do use both and have system 7).  It seems you didn't read my 
> whole post well, or that you are not familiar with PCs anymore.  I did
> say that OS/2 was my OS.
>

Since I spend 90% of my time running a 40 node OS/2 network I would like
to comment on this.  One thing System 7.0 has a very important advantage
over OS/2's WPS.  It's debugged.  We have installed OS/2 2.0 on 9 out of
our 40 machines and its amazing how unstable WPS can be at times.  We
hope the next CSD release will fix these problems.  I also shudder at
the thought of trying to do what we are doing with Windows.

How do you rename a disk in drive a from the WorkPlace shell?  I popped
back to my desktop looked around...clicked on a couple of hundred
things.  I can't figure it out.  I can go to a shell and rename the disk
but that is not doing it from the workplace shell.  The only way I
believe you can do it is to reformat the disk!   Also to rename a file
under the WPS shell requires you to press down the alt key while press
the right mouse button on the text.  To me (and my users) thats a little
more difficult than just clicking the mouse on the text in System 7.x.

OS/2 and WPS are very powerful but easier to use than System 7.x.  IMHO,
no.

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  internet: tsshea@mmm.com              timothy shea 
compuserve: 76300,1230                  Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing
From: dan@s3camel.scubed.com (Dan Peterka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!) - An Analogy
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:25:59 GMT
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA


I've been following this discussion for some good yuks. I handle a
mixed environment of computers where I work and have been invovled in
my fair share of these "debates". What I have found works well in
getting my view across is an analogy about someone wanting to build a
wall. In this analogy, the wall represents the act of acquiring a
computer system that is versatile, powerful, and does what you want it
to do. The hardware and software required to build this system are
analogous to the building materials for the wall.

In my analogy, DOS PCs represent rough stones. You can build a pretty
good wall with rough stones. It takes patience and a lot of searching
for just the right effect. You can also make some pretty ugly walls if
you're not careful. In the end, if it works, you've succeeded in your
task. If you account for your time and assign value to it, you'll have
spent alot of $$$, but the materials didn't cost very much. If you
have simple needs (e.g. a small wall), you'll do quite well in this
approach. 

On the other side, Macintoshes represent cinder block in my analogy.
It's pretty straightforward to build walls of varying sizes with
cinder block. Doesn't take too long either. Of course, the materials
cost more than the rough stones, but then, if you value your time, it
doesn't take too long to get where you want to go.

PC's running Windows are in between. Maybe like stones that have lots
of flat surfaces to make a nice presentable looking wall. They can
readily accept the rough stones from the DOS world, and some of the
new stuff is beginning to look cinderblockish. Patience and knowledge
required to build your wall falls somewhere between the two extremes
described above and depend on whether needs happen to depend on using
the stoney-looking pieces or the cinderblockish pieces.

I've not spent any time with OS/2, but from what I hear, it sounds
much more like a cinder block system. Problem is it's short on
materials. In the meantime, you can use the Windows and DOS stuff to
build a temporary wall until the cinderblocks become readily
available. Until then, you'll have to be pretty good at adapting
stones and nice flat surfaced rocks.

As for performance? Hell, it's only a wall. If it does what you want,
costs what you can afford, and makes you happy, who cares what the
others think?

dan
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dan@scubed.com               (619) 587-8338           San Diego, CA 92121
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Keeping system in ROM
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:07:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep1.230755.9716
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug31.041225.20738@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I read recently in _MacWeek_ that some of the new macs, just the
>Performa's, I think, will have system 7 in the ROM. I was first 
>disappointed. I was considering buying one, but not if the system
>being in ROM would not allow upgrades. After all, where would we
>all be if system 6 was permanently in our current ROMs. We'd have to
>buy new ones to upgrade to sys7 (I think.) However, wouldn't this mean
>increased speed and more free memory? Do things in ROM require RAM?
>I'd be interested in hearing what others think. I just can't make up
>my mind!

Yes, having the OS in ROM gives you increased speed and a lot more
free RAM (although some RAM is still used for OS 'workspace').  
However, the bad thing is, as you said, in OS upgrades.  Upgrading
ROM-based OS's is more expensive and more troublesome, and it would
be especially for System 7 on the Mac.  I'm an Atari user and new
TOS ROM's end up costing $60, but that's peanuts compared to the
Mac since System 7 is at least 4 and up to 10 times larger than 
Atari's TOS (depending on which TOS version), so the material cost
of ROM's for System software would be a lot more plus I believe
Apple would charge more for them than Atari does for their's (no
flame intended).  However, a possible benefit to ROM OS's is that
they may be more intent to make sure the OS is as bug-free as 
possible so as to decrease the need for maintenance upgrades
(Atari's only had about 4 or 5 TOS upgrades, though they've had 
about 9 TOS versions altogether for all their machines combined).
If a maintenance/bug-fix upgrade was needed, it would most likely
be a series of patch programs to run at bootup until a new ROM
upgrade is felt necessary, so maybe Mac users would see an increase
in INIT's.  Do you know if the System 7 ROM's on these new machines
are the 'new and improved' System 7?  Apple's supposedly rewriting
a lot of System 7 stuff so that disk access is faster and overhead
is reduced, as well as some other improvements.

Steve
From: eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: ViewPoint phone #
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:22:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Sep2.162235.3932
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

Anyone here have a phone # for a company called ViewPoint?  They have made
3D objects for use in Swivel 3D.  I think part of the number is 252-2222,
but I can remember the area code.

thanx...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:48:07 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <wilde-260892181502@sunset.cs.colorado.edu> wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde) writes:

>Despite any rumors you may have heard to the contrary, IBM still does
>not lay people off... Furthermore, IBM never, ever *promised* to keep 
>that policy going. In fact, on numerous occasions, they've specifically 
>warned the opposite - that one day they may be forced into a layoff 
>situation.

Sorry, but I come from Binghamton, NY.  You know, IBM-ville?  I
did my graduate work at the Thomas Watson School of Engineering.
Suffice it to say that I knew lots of IBMers, all of whom thought
that IBM had promised there would never be layoffs.  Many of those
people are now ex-IBMers and strange, they all think they were laid
off.  As did the local newspapers.

>You may not like their hardware, or their software - that's your
>perogative. But they're still a darn good company to work for.

Perhaps, as long as you're willing to believe the party line.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Stylewriter printing problems
From: marc@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo)
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:20:21 PDT
Organization: California State University, Fresno

It's not necessarily the Word version.  I had 4.0b and it worked fine with my
Stylewriter.  There is a special INIT that Microsoft came out with that helped 
MS Word work with the stylewriter, but I didn't need it.  I've since upgraded
to 5.0.

I also tend to remember version 4.0d being the latest before 5.0 came out.

Marc.
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From: jon@physics.berkeley.edu (Jonathan Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Price Club PB availability
Date: 26 Aug 1992 23:03:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Originator: jon@physics.Berkeley.EDU


Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I'm new to the group.
I missed out on the first round of Price Club PB100s and would
really rather not miss the next batch. Anyone know when they're
due to arrive? (I'm in Sunnyvale, CA, if that matters.)

Please e-mail responses, as I'm still behind in this group. Thanks
in advance.

------------------------
Jon Miller
jon@physics.berkeley.edu
From: galeana@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: AppleTalk and File Sharing, between 7.0 and 6.0---
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:14:54 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

I've heard that this has been done, but I can't remember where I saw it.
There is a certain way that you can run AppleTalk 2.0, and have some computers
running 6.0.5 or other computers with 7.0--.  But I forgot how to.
Could Some one share some light on this FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION that I CANNOT
REMEMBER.
        Thank you

Juan
Northern Arizona University
Flagstaff, Arizona
From: gasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nathan Gasser ><>  )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: 32-bit Quickdraw INIT?
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:12:58 GMT


In article <VLADIMIR.92Sep2201718@cocteau.Eng.Sun.COM> vladimir@Eng.Sun.COM (Vladimir Ivanovic) writes:
>Quicktime refuses to load because it's missing the 32-bit QuickDraw INIT.
>Where does one get this beast?  Will I get it if I install system software
>(7.0) for all Macintoshes?  I have an accelerated (20 MHz '030) MacPlus
>with those ancient ROMs.
>
>Thanks.


Go snitch it out of the system folder of a neighbor or co-worker.  Failing
that, it should be loose on one of the system disks you got with the
7.0 software set.  Try "Tidbits" or something like that.  It's a regular
INIT (ahem, System Extension) so just flip it in your System Folder.
Please don't reinstall your system just to get 32-bit QD.

Nate.
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Nathan Gasser       ><>         
gasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu     

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: red6d@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert E. Delzell)
Subject: Touchscreen for the Mac
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:20:10 GMT

I'm looking for a Touchscreen monitor for the Macintosh.  I've
seen screen overlays and not been to happy with the quality.
What I would prefer is a built in Touchscreen monitor instead
of an add on.  I would appreciate any help you could give me. 

Robert Delzell
RED6D@Virginia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:07:09 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <ajross.715572489@husc10> ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:

>Uh, oh.  It looks like Mr. Wright has spawned.  Anyone who has to HATE
>working on a computer should consider a new line of work.  Just my $.02

So?  Why did you waste so much money buying a PC?  Why, for the
cost of one overpriced 286 clone I can buy a dozen Commodore 64s!
What's that you say?  You need features that the Commodore doesn't
have?  But when people point out to you how many features the Mac
has, as standard equipment, that the PC doesn't, you just say, "Who
needs all those features?  A computer is just a tool.  All that 
matters is that it gets the job done."  So, why not a Commodore
64?  After all, a computer is just a computer.  A Commodore 64
can get the job done, eventually.  Why did you waste *all* that
money.  

>Seriously, If you read our posts, most of us PC advocates are only trying
>to clear up what we see as misconceptions in the Mac community.  

Except that you haven't been "clearing up misconceptions", you've
been spreading misinformation about how problem-free PCs are.

>As I see it, PC's have a whole array of advantages, most
>notably cost, 

Yet you are completely unwilling to compare the cost of a
Macintosh to the cost of a PC *with equivalent features*.
Why?  PC advocates have posted numerous "price comparisons"
here, but in every case the comparison was between a full-
featured Mac and a fewer-featured PC, and you get downright
nasty when people point out the things you've left out. Why
are you afraid of an *honest* comparison?

>that are often all too easily ignored by Mac users for what
>are essentially aesthetic, and not practical reasons.

The reasons are not aesthetic, they are *human factors
engineering* -- a discipline that no one in the PC world
seems to have heard of.  Any advantage in human-factors
design is constantly denigrated as "mere aesthetics" that
aren't important to "true power users."  PC users brag about
how much they know about CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT, WIN.INI,
etc.  -- in other words, how *hard* their PC is to use.  It
never occurs to you that having a machine that's easy to use
could be an advantage.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: karim@ecst.csuchico.edu (Karim B. Sanjabi)
Subject: Si card
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 21:34:02 GMT

I was wondering about what I should put in my Si's slot.  I was thinking
about getting a Daystar Combo Cache.  In both Mac Wherehouse and Mac Conn-
ection, they say it's a 4 in 1 card, allowing a 32k cache, optional math
chip, 'connection' for video or ethernet card, and a second PDS slot.  I 
am a littlle wary of this.  I am mainly wondering about power restrictions, 
and size restrictions for adding a PDS card or monitor/ethernet.

  My Ideal setup would be to get this card, put in a 24bit accelerated video
card and a (Daystar ?) accelerator.  Can this be done?  If so or if not, 
which cards can be used and which cannot.

  Thanks,
     KARIM

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