From: isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Re: Creed.
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:12:45 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <Bv5BBn.8Lu.2@cs.cmu.edu>, lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu 
   (Donald Lindsay) writes:
> 
> jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:
>>THE CREED OF THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY


>>That the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills should not
>>   be alienated from religions or condoned in non-religious fields.
>
 
> What I would like explained is "condoned in non-religious fields".
> What is this saying - that non-religions aren't allowed to study the
> mind??

That is pretty accurate.  Scientology holds that the mind and spirit are
closely related.  We believe that you (a spirit or thetan) have a mind
(a time track of facsimilies).  We believe that by denying the existance
of a spirit, non-religious mental studies are perverted and misleading.
They deny man real knowledge of what he is, which is what we in Scientology
are trying very hard to show him.

This really shouldn't be a problem anyway because psychology really has 
nothing to do with the mind since it is a study of animal behavior.  
And psychiatry, the medical study of the nervous system and its chemistry
really has nothing to do with the mind anyway.  These subjects have nothing
to do with the mind as used in the context of the Creed of the Church.

My personal gripe with Psychiatry and Psychology is that they are both
based on the false assumption that there is no 'spirit'.  If you read
some of their textbooks, you'll see that they teach that man is really
just one incredibly complex chemical reaction.  This just isn't true.
If I just wanted to be agreed with, I'd study Psychology.  I'm more
concerned with what is true.

Just because you publish some statistics about something in some medical
journal doesn't make it true.  For all of Psychiatry's Billions (Yes I
mean Billions) of dollars in government appropriations and grants, they
still have never been able to make a man sane and decent.  Psychiatrists
have the highest percentage rate of suicide and drug/alcohol abuse of
any other professional group.  Twice as high as the national average for
profesional people.  But these are the people who loudly proclaim that
the Narconon Program doesn't work.

Also, I think there is no doubt among the readers of this newsgroup that
Scientology auditing is effective.  The disagreement seems to be wether
or not it is as effective or not compared to other forms of treatment.
People have been cured.  Cured by auditing.  Psychiatry has never cured
anyone of anything.  Psychiatry treats mental illness by prescribing
drugs which cost thousands of dollars a year.  These drugs don't cure 
anything.  They just mask the symptoms and make a lot of money for drug
companys who pay the psyches for pushing their drugs in the form of 
"research grants" to develop new drugs.   

Many of these drugs are dangerous.  I think everyone has already heard
about the dangers of Prozac, but what you probably didn't hear is that
Eli Lilly, Prozacs manufacturer plead guilty to several counts of 
withholding evidence from the FDA.  Drug Companys spend millions on
marketing to position themselves as responsible and ethical and to keep
things like that hushed up.

And its not just drugs.  Psychiatrists also use operations, massive doses
of convulsion producing drugs, and electric shocks to treat mental
illness.  Again this doesn't CURE anything, but it makes the Psychs and
the Hospitals rich.

Mostly, Funding for psychiatry comes from governments and insurance
companys.  The more people that need "treatment" the more money they
can get.  So psychiatry creates mental illnessess.

  For example: 
 Little Joey is a bright young third grader who is bored and frustrated with 
what laughably passes for education in grade schools controlled by 
Psychologists.  He is noisey, disrupts class, and is generally to active
for the teacher who likes the class room nice and quiet.  The teacher
knows he should be quiet because she learned about it in school in a class
called "The Psychology of Pre-Adolescent Human Learning".   So what happens?
The school Counselor (a psychologists) refers Joey to a psychiatrists who
prescribes him a drug for his "hyper-activity". 

   Another example:
  Anna is a working mother.  She works forty hours a week, comes home
and trys to keep the house clean and cook a healthy dinner for Joey.  She 
works a very active schedule trying to make ends-meet.  Between taking
Joey to the shrink every week and doing her own job, she gets stressed out.
A crisis line phone number comes on the TV screen one night.  It gives
the 10 warning signs of depression.  The announcer says "Call right away
before you commit suicide!!!"  Anna calls, the phone worker on the other
end of the line takes some preliminary information from Anna.  After the
phone worker determines that Anna has lots of insurance, the call is
transfered.  A professional salesperson working on a commission comes on
the line.   He tells her she is depressed and probably parinoid delusional
as well.  He tells her he'll have her picked up in a limo and brought to
the hospital where she can get the help she so desperately needs.  He tells
her not to worry about the cost because her insurance will cover it and
the hospital will cover the deductable.  A few hours later the hospital
picks her up in the limo and rushes her to her new hospital room.  She
stays for a few weeks at $1500 a day and does some very interesting drugs
to "help her relax and open up".  Her insurance company picks up the tab
including the $150 an hour for watching television "as a theraputic device".
A few weeks later, she is ready to leave.  The psychiatrists will not
have that, her insurance is still good!  Anna gets mad.  The psychiatrists
diagnose her as parinoid and force her to stay.  Her drug dosage is 
increased.  She stays unconscious most of the day.  The doctors and nurses
rape her while she is out-cold.  The doctors prescribe electric shocks.
They get their hands on any money or insurance that they can and then shock
her poor soul into oblivion.  Anna's insurance quit paying.  Anna's on the
streets, Joeys in a foster home.  The psychiatrists point to the incresing
number of mentally ill homeless people and demand that the government
give them more money to fight the problem.

This is what happens when psychiatrists and psychologists are not 
restrained.  People who think men are only animals have a nasty habit
of treating men like the filthy beasts they consider them to be.

I'm sure that some of you are going to give the "cult of greed" argument,
but before you do I would like you to get a Psychiatric Journal and
look in the back where hospitals want to hire Psychiatrists.  Notice
what the starting salaries are?  $175,000-$250,000!!!!  By comparison
a Sea-Org auditor gets an allowance of $27 each week.  They work that
cheaply because they know that they are right and they know Scientology
works.  Would a Psychiatrist do his job for only $27 a week?  Hell No!!!

The most expensive service in Scientology (the L Rundowns) cost somewhat
less than $1000 per hour the last time a saw the price.  By comparison
Electro-Convulsive Therapy cost $8000 per hour.  

Ls produce a positive case gain.  I am talking about stupendous, mind-
boggling, impossible to describe WINS!!!!

ECT makes you lose parts of your memory and gives you brain damage.

Ls (and the OT Levels) make a person stably exterior with full
perception and immortal!!!

ECT can kill you.

Ls have a guarantee.  You can have your money back if you aren't
satisfied so long as you are never again trained or processed.

You can't get a psychiatrist anywhere to guarantee that ECT WON'T
kill you outright, or cause memory loss or brain damage.

After the Ls, you will easily have much, much MORE money and prosperity
than you probably ever dreamed that you could have.

After ECT you'll be stuck with a higher insurance premimum.

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Now I don't want to suggest that Donald and Gisle are advocating
Psychiatry or Psychology, but all of the negative things that you
read about Scientology originally come from Psychiatrists, Drug Pushers
(legal and illegal), and News Media that depends heavily for its income
on advertising revenue from Drug Companys and Psychs.

Scientology is a good workable study.  The people that run the orgs
are good decent people who are motivated by duty and personal 
conviction not personal gain or money.

To get back to Don's original question:

> What I would like explained is "condoned in non-religious fields".
> What is this saying - that non-religions aren't allowed to study the
> mind??

Obviously, there is something we are calling a mind regardless of how
we study it.  We can choose to study it from the point of view that there
is a spirit and it is possible to know about it, or we can say there is
no such thing as a spirit, and if there were, you could never really 
know about it anyway.

If you decide that there is no such thing as a spirit or that it is 
impossible to determine scientifically wether or not one exists, you will
never be able to know IF IN FACT ONE EXISTS.  That is the path that
Psychology and Psychiatry have taken.

Thats why I think that the study of the mind should not be condoned
in non-religious fields.




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John Holifield



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