From: steveb@cernvax.cern.ch (Steve Bougerolle)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: Re: KILLING DOGS & CATS THAT TRESPASS ON MY PROPERTY
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:17:57 GMT
Organization: CERN, Geneva, Switzerland

In <WHITLOCK.42@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> WHITLOCK@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock) writes:

>In article <10242@cernvax.cern.ch> steveb@cernvax.cern.ch (Steve Bougerolle) writes:

>>You are contemptible. 

>I am not. I am justly territorial. I want the law upheld and do not want to 
>be a victim of my neighbor's selfishness. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DISREGARD FOR 
>THE LAW BY MY NEIGHBORS.!! Why does that not outrage you ?

You're pretty keen on rights and the law and what not, it seems.  While I'm
not an expert on U.S. law at all, I'm still pretty sure that the point of
most of your laws is to make life better for the people who live there.
Taking advantage of the word of the law the way you are planning seems quite
contemptible to me.  I'll stand by what I said.  Your zealous pursuit of
holy property rights seems to have blinded you to the basic human issues
here.  Perhaps you were blind before, though?  That seems distinctly possible.

The next time one of these "trespassing" mutts sits looking in your window,
go open your door, whistle to it, and when it comes near, hit it on the top
of the head with a hammer.  That should kill it quite quickly and solve
your problems with the pooch.  Perhaps it's a kid's pet dog and the kid will
be miserable as a result but, hey, that's not your problem, is it?  If the
neighbours did figure out who did it that would certainly cause you to
look much worse in their eyes than if you just asked them to stop.  But since
you plan to be untraceable this solution won't work and the problem won't
come up.

>I don't want applause. I want advice for the non-confrontational, yet 
>decisive resolution of a serious problem. One that I am sure is shared by 
>other domestic animal haters (hey where are you all? Come to my defense!)

What will it solve?  Since you want to leave no evidence that you killed
the neighbour's dog, why should they take any steps in future to keep their
NEXT pets out of your yard?  If you don't confront them they will have no
idea what happened, so there will be no "decisive resolution."  Or do you
expect all the other dogs out there to be deterred by your threat of
capital punishment?

>>Anybody else out there wonder what other 
>nasty habits this piece of human>trash has?

>Strong words. Non-substantiated, and certainly not very constructive to the 
>dialogue.

Unless you were thrown in a rubbish bin at some point in your life, I don't
see how that ever could be substantiated.  Of course it was strong, Whitlock.
I don't think you understand: there is no dialogue here.  I'm not trying to
convince you of anything, I'm getting you to talk so everybody else can
read and see what you are like.  It is my sincere hope that somebody out
there will be in more of a position to do something about you than am I.
Such strong language is very useful in this regard, I think.

>> God knows how many of them 
>>because that would ruin his 
>>reputation as a model professor

>speculation? how about underpaid lowly janitor with an interest in PC's ?

It is speculation that you have a good reputation, yes.  Perhaps the
rest of the faculty hate you.

It is not speculation that you are a professor.  I read news on a devoted
machine, using a program called nn which lets me do a global scan of all
articles which are posted by somebody named "Whitlock."  It only takes five
minutes or so. I find this feature useful occasionally when I would
like to know more about a particular poster.

You see where this is going?  My scan turned up a couple messages that were
very informative.  The one in misc.jobs.offered gives all the details the
other did, so I'll just read from it; you're an Associate Professor of
Business Administration at the Darden School of Business, University of
Virginia.  ZIP 22906-6550; your ad said Charlottesville, so I presume that's
where the ZIP code indicates.  Oh, yes, your phone # (or a secretary's) is
804-924-4806.

>                                     I guess I shouldn't expect elegance or
>diplomacy from one who refers to fellow net-writers as "pieces of trash", 
>though, should I?

I already suggested a fence, but you didn't respond.  I can see that fencing
a five-acre lot could be troublesome but you already said you don't really
mind the presence of animals on your lot itself; you just don't like pets
bothering you.  I think fencing part of your lot would solve this problem.
Anything else will lack finality.  Almost anything, rather; you could move.

>Then you agree that it is the owners I should have punished. Alas! we come 
>full circle. How do I do that while simultaneously maintaining "good 
>neighbor" status in my community. You see, if the varmints simply "
>disappear", the neighbors aren't upset with me, AND the problem is removed. 
>Elegant. Diplomatic. Final....  Get the idea now...?

No, I maintain that you should take the problem up with your neighbours
instead of forcing a solution on them.  Your solution is not diplomatic,
since it doesn't involve interacting with anyone.  Since you have no specific
plan (that was why you posted in the first place, right?) your plans can
hardly be called elegant.  And as I pointed out above, killing said pets
is hardly final.

>Maybe I'm just a strugglin' little guy tryin to keep his head above water 
>and hold on to his little piece of the pie. Privacy, home ownership. Aren't
>these the values the entire middle class strives for? That's what I've 
>always been told. I don't remember dog and cat trespass rights being given 
>as much weight in the American dream....

A "strugglin' little guy" with a five-acre lot?  Yeh, right.  As for middle-
class values, being neither middle-class nor American I certainly don't know
what that includes.  But it does seem to me that people cite "The American
Dream" to justify some pretty anti-social habits at times.
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