From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: A victory?
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:31:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct11.005343.21854@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>	In the wake of the passage of the bill, many people here have used
>the word "victory". As I see it, at this point it is only a victory for
>perhaps 100,000 Chinese invividuals. Whether or not it is a victory for
>China depends on what these people do in the future.

It is a victory in many means. I truely believe many of us will serve
our homeland in many ways. We can go back and study "political reports",
receive the re-education from those absolutely who have no idea about the
importance and the role of technology and sciences. We can go back to
do the research according to Mao's theory. I would not admit these
will be the your victory or contribution to China.

Simple arguement may lead to the conclusion that we can contribute more
to China, to Chinese people if we go back to China. But this is only
true when you go back to China you can do some work.

Historically, many scholars went back to China in the hope of serving
their motherland in 1950's. Many were well established before they
went back. Well, I don't need to mention what happened to them,
presumbly you know a little about China.

Now, many people will face same choice. I would be prefer to stay
here for a while and return to China once it's politically stable.
I would not dire to go back to waste my life and listen to the debate
of who should be the leadership of the country, workers or peasents, be
fear of being persecuted due to my outspoken character.

On the other hand, with so many Ph.D's in US, we can establish strong
tie with China and fring "new" stuff to China which China despertely
needs.

Also remember, in China everything is still governed by "politics".

>	And some seem to be confused about who the victory was won against.
>The tone of many of the postings makes it seem like it was the American
>legislative system that was beaten, like it was some game to get something
>for nothing.

No! 
This is not a game. It's battle of life and death! It's battle democracy and
dictatorship.
It's the victory of justice! It's a shame to mention it again here that
our government killed so many brilliant young people. It's also a shame to
mention that the government is still lying about the fact.
We lost those brilliant yound lives. BTW, this is another example that
how Chinese government care its people, care what are people thinking.
Yet, we have not made significant progress in democratisizing China.
But, this bill will show Chinese government that international community
cares what happened in China.

>        Would the people who died at the Massacre call this a victory? They
>set you free, and you waged your campaign on principles they died for. Has
>the victory been realized? Is China any better off due to this new law?

I would not know this since they already died.
I feel shame of myself too, because of my fear that makes me afraid
to go back to China to follow them.

They did not set us free. We were standing right behind them. We
supported them. We together were fighting for democracy. In that dark
night, many of us cried. Many of us
volunterily demonstrated against the brutual crack down. In that dark
period of time, the fear was gone. The only thing we had was angar.
Don't you know the domonstraions in US as well as all other countries
right after 6.4 were largest in history.

Do you know what did Deng said when he ordered military crack down?
He said don't worry about the international impact, other countries will
come back (to be friend of CG) soon or later, bussiness would be as
usual soon.

Tough guy!

Without international pressure, second 6.4 would be inevitable.
With the international measure, CG has to improve itself.

Y.Duan