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From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: A personal experience in Poland
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:32:24 GMT
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute

<C01BB@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>At 3:24:44 GMT Isaac Balbin writes:
>> Half of my family were murdered by POLES and the other half saved by POLES.
>> We still send gifts to those who were good ... (my father was saved by POLES)

>... then after almost five hours ( 08:13:32) he writes  again:

>> By the way, the POLES who actually saved our family decided one sunny day
>> that they would report us to the Germans ...


>Now I understand everything!..., all POLES are bastards, even those who were
>saving Jews.  I am POLE, I am bastard too.  But Balbin's family still send
>gifts to those bastards...

You understood very little unfortunatley.
(1) I never said ALL Poles
(2) The fact that those Poles who did save us, and set out to do so, at one
    stage decided that they would snitch on us to the Germans, does not mean
    that we should not send presents to their offspring. Think about it.
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:01:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.210146.18872
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <1992Oct8.171925.22095@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>You are, of course, correct.  And such biases exist today.  A Stamar
>boy and a Bobover girl?  A Bobover girl and a Brooklyn mitnagdisher 
>boy.  A Burro Park mitnagdisher guy and a Riverdale girl?  YU Torah
>u'Mada fellow falls in love with Torah v'Daat (v'Daas?) girl?
>Litvak marries Galitzianer?
>
>But the opposition is not religious, but cultural.  (Kinda like
>a C coder falling for a COBOL programmer.)  Clearly, these differences
>are not of the same stature as interfaith marriage.

This is a bad example. The Torah clearly forbids programming in
COBOL.
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tribe descent
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:13:47 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <4319@moscom.com> de@moscom.com (David Esan) writes:

>If I understood correctly, ten women, by themselves form an minyan, and can
>behave like a minyan, reading Torah, repeating Shmona Esreh, etc.

No, they don't form a minyan, and halachic women's prayer services do
not involve repeating the Shmonah Esreh, kaddish, kedushah, or
borechu.

>When they read Torah, do they use Kohen, Levi, etc.?

I believe that they don't.  It's rather late at night for me to call
up one of my shul's gabaiot and ask.
-- 
/|/-\/-\       New signature will appear "acharai hachagim"
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/ nysernet.org 			Jerusalem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: a lulav in the eye
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:23:21 GMT
Keywords: poke march

On Monday during davening, while marching with the lulav at the end of
Musaf, someone got poked in the eye.

Yup.  Got one hell of a ho-shiner.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: Sukkah at work?
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:38:52 +0000


> TITLE: Sukkah at work?
> 
> +From         : CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
> +Subject      : Sukkah at work?
> 
> Does anyone know of an employer (outside of Israel) that allows its
> employees to erect a Sukkah on their property?  We have a large number of
> observant people at our place of business and I have often thought of
> approaching the company to let us build one to use for lunches (at the
> employee's cost!).  Just wondering if it has been done elsewhere, so I can
> point to examples and precedence.
> 
> Steven Cohn

A lawyer I know used to turn his car into a Sukkah. The car had a
sliding roof which was large enough to meet the halachic requirements
for a Sukkah and he put some S'chach on top and a curtain in the car
to make a wall and would eat his lunch in it.


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Stephen (Yisroel) Phillips      Tel: 44-895-442141
Burch Phillips & Co.            Fax: 44-895-421231
63a Station Road
West Drayton
Middlesex
UB7 7LR
United Kingdom                  stephenp@compulink.co.uk

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:17741 soc.culture.polish:3208
From: azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:09:23 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.

People, some of us are crazy :-)

Are you targeting a Guiness record with this "Re: On Polish
Anti-semitism" or what ?

Create a new list; for example alt.pol-jew.relations
sounds fairly well.

Andrzej Zaleski
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.latin-america
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Subject: New Mexico Crypto-Jews
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:31:00 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I won't be around for a week, but I found another
more extensive article on the Crypto-Jewish community
of New Mexico.  These people are considered Mexican-Americans,
but it turns out that they are secretly quite Jewish and
in many cases know it still.

The article is quite long, I won't have time to key it in
until I return, if readers of the three groups in the newsgroup
list could let me know by e-mail how high the interest is,
I will either post in your group or not.  I assume soc.culture.jewish
is interested.

I included soc.culture.mexican because of the nationality
of the individuals (having been classed as Mexican-Americans)
and because some references are made historically to
Mexican history and currently to the relationship between
these people and the town of Zacatecas in Mexico where
these families apparently came from, and still return to
to find "the right" matches among their distant cousins.

There is also some reference to Admiral Luis de Carvajal
former governor of Nuevo Leon (1596), who with his family were
burned at the stake for Judaizing.

The author is Frances Hernandez, professor of English and
Comparative Languages at University of Texas at El Paso.

	Seth Rosenthal


Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:17599 soc.culture.polish:3162
From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:10:31 GMT
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA

In article <1992Oct8.082427.25227@walter.cray.com> aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:
>
>What would you say about so rich literature that now even reaches Poland
>apparently from circulation among Jewish community in America that
>so clearly is a lie falsifying Polish history? Would you be willing
>to cry the same way as about Protocols ? Did you cry or were you
>at least embarassed with so popular "Polish death camps " ? What
>kind of agenda does it all promote, you think ? And what kind
>of education comes from such a literature for Jewish community ?
>Did you at least think about it ? Or are you simply concentrating only
>on single issue and do not care what happens in your own community ?
>Did you notice what kind of hatred people around late Rabbi Kahane 
>represented ? Do you think it is good example for other communities ?
>
>
>A. Mazur

Why is this thread reading like a "discussion" with the
B-cpu types? What a waste of band space...Let the Poles
think what they will. Logic, reasoning, and/or compassion
will not change their minds now anymore than it has in
the past 300 years or so.

Or maybe someone could give them B-cpu's address and they
could mutually masturbate...

Hap
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: markr@mot.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: Cemetary in Germany
Reply-To: markr@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: MCIL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.183413.1956@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ahorwitz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anita S Horwitz) writes:
>Did anybody see on Yom Kippur morning that there was a graveyard in Germany 
>that got completely vandalized by antisemites?  We see this type of action 
>constantly, but I feel especially angry when it is something that I cannot do 
>anything about.  When I see antisemetic occurrences happening in my surrounding
>then at least I have friends to help me deal with it.  What is being done in 
>Germany or anywhere else?  When I saw that in the paper Yom Kippur morning it 
>made me nautious.  What can we do?  Any suggestions?

The first thing we can do is begin to worry more about live Jews than dead Jews.  As far,
as I am concerned, the world is good enough at mourning over dead Jews, but has a long
way to go protecting live Jews. (if people want to become activists over something,
do something for Jews in Bosnia/Serbia, in Georgia, etc...)

Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ce157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric W. Mack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:59:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


 Some Americans (i.e., USA) get Columbus Day off; that corresponds
w/first day Succot this year.
-- 
Piska Tova, Hag Sameah and Mo-adim L'Simha.
Eric Mack and/or Cheryl Birkner Mack
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Humor in the Bible (was: Heroes in the Bible)
Summary: Jonah 4:2-3
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:41:16 GMT

In article <92290.150332GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> Callec Dradja <GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <2939@ceylon.gte.com>, sg04@ploni.gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon
>Gutfreund) says:
>>
>>
>>But can anyone give explicit examples of humor in T'Nach?
>>
>Many scholars believe that some parts of the book of Jonah
>are meant to be humorous especially the part where God
>commands that the cows wear sackcloth.

Indeed. Consider Jonah 4:2-3 (after God spares the city of
Nineveh):

    [Jonah] prayed to haShem, saying, "HaShem! Isn't this just
    what I said when I was in my own country? That is why I fled
    beforehand in Tarshish. For I know that You are a
    compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in
    kindness, renouncing punishment. Please, haShem, take my
    life, for I would rather die then live."

I always picture Jonah counting off "compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, ... " on his fingers.
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward)
Subject: Re: *jesus of Nazareth*
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:44:43 GMT

In article <4273@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
>The main stream christians: catholic, protestants,  the  eastern and
>many many other types do worship the cross.

No they don't.  They no more worship the cross than Jews worship the
Torah.  If you want to know what they worship, why not ask one.  Otherwise,
please stop telling other people what they do and do not worship (unless
you want them tyelling you what you worship!)
From: dermer@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: "Moshiach" Joke
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:26:50 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: dermer@convex.csd.uwm.edu

Ashkenazi version of an old joke follows:

A Christian lady passes away and enters the Garden of Eden.  There she sees
a short woman whom everyone calls Mary. The lady approaches the short woman
and asks. "Excuse me.  Are you Mary, the wife of Joseph and the mother of
Jesus?"  The short woman responded affirmatively. The lady next asked,
"What must it have felt like to have given birth to the Messiah?"  The short
woman answered, "Vell to tell you the truth, ve really vanted a madel!"
From: aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: EGYPT: LET MY PEOPLE DIE - we hate Jews !
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:00:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1498
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <4281@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
>About 1000 Egyptians died in the earthquack at Cairo and near by
>cities, several thouthands are still buried under the ruins many of
>them still alive.
                   .......
		   .......
>
>Israel offer Egypt the help of those units.
>
>Mubarek the president of Egypt allowing those Jewish saving groups
>stepping on the holly Egyptian soil.
>
let me summarize the situation

An earthquake in Egypt, Israel offers to help, Egypt says thanks but
no thanks, and you are very upset about this ?

If I were to make this decision, and I can integrate the Israeli help
within the existing help, I will accept it, with thanks of course,
otherwise I would reject it, still with thanks.


>Egyptians continue to die.
>
>And I am wondering: suppose the Israeli saving units had arrived,
>and suppose yjey will be about to save some Egyptians will those
>Egyptians agree to be saved by Jews?
>Or are they saying now:
>" Those who are going to die bless you you the  ceasar! "

The above statement is inflammatory as well as stupid.
You can wonder all the way to God knows where, and you can assume anything
you want. But the facts are this did not happen, it is a fragment of
your sick and perverted imagination.
It is almost as stupid and perverted as the following statement

And I am wondering: suppose the Israeli saving units had arrived,
and suppose yjey will be about to save some Egyptian will those
Israelis actually save those Egyptians, or will they try to kill them
while no one is looking.


>
>   Shalom       Gideon

--Mokhtar Aboelaze

PS. your article title, "EGYPT: LET MY PEOPLE DIE - we hate jews"
was this actually said by an Egyptian, or it is your impression about
what an Egyptian will say.



Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:10494 talk.politics.mideast:20904 talk.politics.soviet:8351 soc.culture.greek:9525 soc.culture.europe:8818 soc.history:8843
From: chstu59@pasifae.cc.uch.gr (Giorgos)
Subject: test
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Crete HELLAS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:41:55 GMT

hello
this is a test from Iraklio/Greece,I hope it will reach you.
I support the greek-turkish friendship :) Have a nice day!
Giorgos
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:10599 talk.politics.mideast:21057 soc.culture.greek:9671 soc.culture.europe:8906 soc.history:8940 soc.rights.human:3878
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Remember that misadventures against Turkiye do not serve Greece well.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:11:09 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct13.011032.267@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:

>	What you mean like Turkey is in regard to how it handles 
>the Cyprus problem or the Kurdish problem. In few occasions has a country
>been so isolated like Turkey. All UN reports blame Turkey (Oh the rest of

No kidding. The present administration of the Turkish sector 
on the island is run by men who were democratically elected. 
They are simply seeking guarantees that will preclude a
repeat performance by the fanatical cadres of the Greeks'
EOKA. If such assurances are not perfectly implemented,
there is every reason to expect that the local Greeks
will be misguided enough to perpetrate their past mistakes.
On such an occasion, the Turkish side may not find it
satisfactory to act with reluctance to go any further
than before, for it is unacceptable to remain always
defensive against cyclical vicious attacks.

Therefore it would be better to have a true federation
of two separate sections living in obligatory peace,
rather than another armed confrontation that would be
started by the Greeks and obligatorily but decisively
terminated by the Turks. 

Any folly that may be said to exist in the general picture 
rests with Athens. In 1974, it was the despotic colonels of 
the junta there who sponsored EOKA's belligerence. They lost 
in Cyprus and eventually they lost at home also.

The present Greek government is trying to tyrannize the
Turkish population in western Thrace by forbidding it
its ethnic and religious rights, which were established
through international treaties. One might be better
advised to remember that misadventures against Turkiye
do not serve Greece well.

An offer of membership in the European Common Market
as bait for concessions that may doom the Turks in
Cyprus to extinction is not a viable course for Greece
or her friends.

Neither Turkish lives nor Turkish honor has been placed
on the bidding block to be sold for commercial gain.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: The slaughter of the Armenian Turish Greek chicke
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:48:09 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct15.192610.19957@yang.earlham.edu> bent@yang.earlham.edu writes:

>	My pen is the whole globe - including Turkey, Armenia, Greece - 
>and I find that some chickens drop more feces than others.  

These things come to mind at the time of year when "chickens" graduate
to the next stage of "drops". What shall I give them on these occasions?
Imagination, a shove out and up, a blessing.

>Keep taking yourself seriously, "Serdar" - - 

These things come to mind, too, in this middle year of your own life.
By the way, it's never too late to fly.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: kutluhan@cs.umd.edu (kutluhan erol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Hello again
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:07:12 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I agree that most of what we read in this newsgroup is negative, and 
these negative postings do not serve to any useful purpose. 
Is there no body that has something good to say, or is it just that
these people prefer to keep their ideas to themselves? I certainly hope
the latter is true. However, judging from the postings, one might get
the idea that Greeks and Turks have always been mortal enemies, and even worse,
that they will always remain so. I think all of us (including the ones who
never post anything) are to be blamed for this misconception. I back  
Gregorio's idea, and I urge everybody to send postings that would 
contribute to establishing better relations among our peoples. This 
invitation applies to other nations aswell. 

Kutluhan Erol
Comp. Sc. Dept.
Un. of Maryland at College Park
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Argic
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:40:54 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct14.012434.19933@yang.earlham.edu> bent@yang.earlham.edu writes:

>Hey : this guy is too cute!

So, you have a recurring fantasy that sees "this guy" through.
I venture to guess that your daily life is a lot like an endless
chore of chasing "cute" chickens in a large pen.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ccav04@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("e.nilgun")
Subject: Greetings
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:05:17 GMT

Hello everybody,

I am a new turkish student in Glasgow, U.K. and starting an M.Sc. in
Architecture. Is anybody working on architecture out there?

nilgun
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Mac sonuclari
Date: 13 Oct 1992 02:29:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 I. Turkiye Ligi 7. Hafta toplu sonucalri:


 Bursa           0 -     Trabzon       0
 Fenerbahce      1 -     Aydin         1 (Fenerbahce Tanju ile penalti kacirdi)
 Besiktas        4 -     Ankaragucu    0
 Bakirkoy        0 -     Galatasaray   1 (Bakirkoy Hasan ile penalti kacirdi)
 Karsiyaka       1 -     Sariyer       1
 Genclerbirligi  1 -     Konya         0 (GB ve Konya birer penalti kacirdi.)
 Kayseri         1 -     Gaziantep     1
 Kocaeli         2 -     Altay         0


                  0   G   B   M     A   Y    P
                  ----------------------------
 Kocaeli          7   6   -   1    23   7   18
 Bursa            7   5   2   -    14   2   17
 Besiktas         7   4   3   -    15   5   15
 Trabzon          7   4   3   -    12   3   15
 Galatasaray      7   4   2   1    10   5   14
 Fenerbahce       7   4   1   2    15   7   13
 Karsiyaka        7   2   3   2     9   7    9
 Altay            7   3   -   4     5  11    9
 Gaziantep        7   2   2   3     6  10    8
 Kayseri          7   1   4   2    11  13    7
 Genclerbirligi   7   2   1   4     5  14    7
 Ankaragucu       7   2   -   5     7  13    6
 Sariyer          7   1   2   4     4  14    5
 Bakirkoy         7   1   1   5     7  14    4
 Aydin            7   1   1   5     3  10    4
 Konya            7   -   3   4     5  16    3
 -------------------------------------------------------------

 Erhan

>
>
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:10507 soc.culture.greek:9546
From: gkg0330@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Kastrinakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Accident in the Aegean sea
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:45:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvt7rH.F9n
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ertas@athena.mit.edu (Mehmet D Ertas) writes:

>What are you talking about? How about the Greek Navy, who also took part in this

<....>
>Deniz Ertas.


	For your information, the Greek Navy is not participating in this
exercise (Display Determination) as a result of the refusal of NATO
to include the Greek island of Lemnos (in the north Agean Sea) in its 
strategic planning. Lemnos is not far from the Dardanel (sp?) straits
(Turkish territory) which lead to the Black Sea.

	George