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From: burkel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (a liberal pumpernickel)
Subject: Ritual Abuse 
Summary: "Don't hate me because I'm being irrelevant." 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:28:25 GMT



Um, taking the perspective of a pagan, a psych minor, a sexual abuse
survivor and generally something that qualifies in the anthropological
sense as a human, I just wanted to add a few cents here.

This sort of thing touches on a lot of issues (like other things don't,
I mean, I used to think I LIKED the concept of inter-connectedness, and
now I'm really getting tired of the damn thing because you can't think about
ONE thing without thinking about it ALL-oh, never mind.)

The things that I want to bring up related to THIs issue is that
for years there have been these people called "Christian Counselors,"
who counsel about everything from relationships and losses to abuse
and rape from a Christian perspective.  Now, the point here is that
there is a LOT of money to be made from psychotherapy, as seen in
various other stroke your inner child and give it a cookie operations
that have been going on recently.  Now satanic cult lunacy seems to
be the next most profitable adventure to come down the pike. Who 
better to counsel than a christian counselor?  I looked them up
in our local phone book, and surprise, half of them didn't have
any initials by their name.  

As to the validity, who is to say? I won't, why be wrong when I can
be vague and still be credible?  However, I don't think it's wrong
to say that any psychotherpist worth its salt could turn the true
horror that someone has experienced and label it as the work of, 
or experience with cults.  We simply have too much symbolism embedded
in our collective unconscious, related to the devil, etc, to avoid
that threat.

But, um, I don't think there are too many reputable therapists out
there claiming that satanic abuse is valid. If there are, I guess
I missed it, sorry.

The only thing sad about this, to me, is that satanic cults cut the
fringe of the unmainstream religions. I don't have to tell anyone
here that.  I think that what needs to be addressed is how to make
the leap of logic from"look at all the satanic cult abuse" to, 
"let's kill all those pagan, ungodly, commie weirdo freaks" UNlogical.

Did any of that malke sense?

I know I didn't pass the past threads through my own little needle,
bu that was MY cut on things....

Blessed Be,

Laura, the one who states the obvious until she gets it right

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Subject: Re: "Winds' Four Quarters"
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
	<1k2r7pINNlvp@shelley.u.washington.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:00:50 GMT

In article <1k2r7pINNlvp@shelley.u.washington.edu> mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

    There are a number of Dianic (Womyn's Religion) groups that worship a
   fourth face of the Goddess, that of the Warrior. I think I even have a
   file on it that I could post. So, if you were basing stuff from those
   groups or involved, then it would have a bit behind it. There are quite a
   few Dianic groups.

Ah!  I clearly have to learn more about Dianic myths and doctrines.
You're quite right of course.  Please post the file.

                                   Blessings,
                                           dan
--
Dan L. Pierson          Digital Equipment Corporation
pierson@crl.dec.com     Massively Parallel Systems Group
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Elemental Oils
Date: 21 Jan 93 00:23:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.150525.1@wizard.colorado.edu>, windsphire@wizard.colorado.edu writes:
>
> Hi! I'm looking for any personal blends of elemental oils. I can't seem to
> find a good combination for air. I would be interested in any blends which
> you have tried and liked (-vs- pat formulas from S.C., L.S., H.S. etc). One
> of my favorites is a variation of the voodoo blend 'Fire of Passsion':
>
>         Ambergris
>         Musk
>         Civet
>         Patchouly
>         Vetivert
>
>         (The first three are synthetic! Not assignable to an element
>          but a very compelling scent.)
>
it sounds like it might be, but WHAT PROPORTIONS???  i love mixing my
iwb scents, and this one has me curious...  a couple of those are things
i like separately...

                                        -ailsa
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: GOD
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:59:42 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman (BBN)
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcink.bbn.com

In article <1993Jan26.175436.339@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>Just because someone is stupid and obnoxious is no reason to treat
>him so rudely!

It's not?  But Steve... Usenet wouldn't be any fun if we couldn't find
stupid and obnoxious people to be rude too.  I'd have to retract at 
least 90% of my posts if I couldn't be rude to people!  We wouldn't 
want that, would we?

Dawn
-- 
"You have this adorable and misguided notion that death is something really
radical and cool but I still can't help being attracted to your fresh-faced
uncompromised tatoo-ed rebel stance and god damn, I'd like to help you
sing your tune."  "Folk Song..." by Bongwater
From: law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: A request for help
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:45:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


	How about the Castration Ritual of the Cleaver-Wielding Death
Commando?
	Actually, I read about that in _Newsweek_ about a week ago (I was
quite bored) and quite a few of the soldiers interviewed said that they
had been ORDERED to commit this atrocity, and that they would be killed
if they did not.  I strongly suggest you go to the library and find the
back issue that involves this article.  
	Of course, the obvious response would be, "but they still did it."
True. But they who gave the orders are more monstrous, in their own way,
than those who commit the atrocity. (and yeah, the Nazis were also following
orders) 
	I still like the Castration Ritual of the Cleaver-Wielding Death
Commando.

BB, and Read You Later . . .

-- 
"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in
some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense,
false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in
some sense." -- _Principia_Discordia_ -- the Book of the Church of Eris (Chaos)
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:45:45 GMT

In article <25JAN199312511666@csa2.lbl.gov> tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY) writes:
>
>
>Re: Pat Robertson.
>
>
>I am so sick of this bastard.  He (1/20/93, 1.55 am) said that he
>is against the (paraphrase) "Ahem. Moral scourge of premarital sex"
>but It is a fact that he was passed over for Republican 
>presidential nomination in 1988 because he married his girlfriend
                                            ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
>out of wedlock (way out of wedlock, like 7 months!)
 ^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^

Ummm - huh?  Might you mean boinked? 

Blessings,
Janis
From: joann@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina)
Subject: Re: Okay, so this is dumb, BUT . . .
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:00:41 GMT

In article <1jjrf5INN4or@mirror.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>
>But speaking of really fun auditory trips, has anyone else out there
>encountered Jack Flanders or Ruby, the Galactic Gumshoe? Great radio
>theatre from ZBS Foundation. Lots of psychic/spiritual/pagan stuff, 
>and some wonderful music and background sounds. Real headphone type
>listening.

Yep, Ruby is on KQED-FM from 11pm-Midnight Saturday nights. Not a
Fourth Tower of Inverness or anything, but still fun.

*) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *)!(* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (*
Jo Ann Malina, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
joann@slac.stanford.edu  -or-  415/926-2846
Neither Stanford nor the DOE would be caught dead with these opinions.
Nor do they consult me when formulating theirs.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
It ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to.     -Bill Clinton
From: a_weitz@pavo.concordia.ca (WEITZMAN, ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Interesting Group
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:30:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hi all.  I've been reading the newsgroup, and I can't help noticing there's
some, ahh, antipathy to xchristians--esp. the fundamentalist type.
I have an interesting view on the subject, being a member of a Chicago
Xchristian group that worships a Goddess.
This group is known as the Truth Missionaries of Positive Accord (as you can
see, snappy names isn't our strong suit).  Anyways, TMC+Aers believe
it a triple Godhead of God, Goddess, and Jesus.  Jesus' birth is considered
proof of the existence of a Goddess--for GENETIC reasons.  The explanation
 is basically that females only have X chromosones, and only God could
have providede the Y chromosone needed for Jesus' birth.  Since the Bible
 (they are a touch literal in this regard) bans masturbation as the Sin
 of Onan, God as a moral being could not logically commit a sin (tell that
 to Salemites, though).  Soooo--a female divine being was neccessary to
fertilize the egg to form an embryo.  Said embryo was later placed in
 Mary, making Jesus both Son of God and Son of Man.  We may not be hot
 at titles, but TMC+Aers are WAY good at creative theology.
As you can see, I'm somewhat flippant; I'm not a serious member, being
the only one in Canada, so I can basically run riot.  However, I do find
them a refreshing change from your basic Xchristian, and it helps tohave
allies in the enemy's camp.  And hey, I'm a minster from their congregation;
this is self-interest we're talking here.
Other theological goodies include that Jesus was raised to God level through
intercourse with the Goddess (the true nature of the resurrection),  that
God and Goddess are composed of tachyons for them to have existed before the
start of the Universe in order to have created it, and that the highest
moral stance is to be true to one's own self.  I'm interested in
the reactions of the real Pagan community to such a group.  Write--or flame--
me your opinions.
--Andrew the Wandering Jew--
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:38:06 EST
From: <GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: a better use for excess energy

       Send all the undesireable people to Mars?  Nice thought,
 but Mars isn't big enough!  It would be more practical to relocate
 those few that still have some decency.  That should only take
 a couple trips.
                                 gnr100@psuvm.psu.edu
From: scotts@math.orst.edu (Scott Settlemier)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: a spoonful of CFCs
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:27:16 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: math.orst.edu

It looks to me as if there's tons of CFCs trying to work their way up
to the ozone layer. It could take decades for the production of the last
50 years of so to finally get there and do some REAL damage. How about
we just make some more CFCs and send it up via rocket? Or maybe, if you've
enough resources, just could just send up a couple high altitude balloons
with CFC making apparatus. Or, heck, why not just start pumping out as much
of the stuff as you can make so that more gets up there quicker? Let's
get rid of that damn shield robbing us of that valuable ultraviolet.
Wouldn't solar cells generate more power with more ultraviolet?
From: dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Physical Constants List (repost)
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:07:31 GMT
Expires: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 23:00:00 GMT
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd

As I suggested a few months ago, this group seems to be in need of
some numerical values to plug into its proposed schemes.  So I have
started compiling a list of physical, mathematical and astronomical
values and equations.  These are taken from various sources, and
I have converted them all to SI (using the units(1) program).  If
anyone has any corrections, improvements, or suggestions, please
mail them to me and I will incorporate them into the next version
of this list.

========================================================================

Mathematical Constants
======================

Quantity			Symbol		Value		Units
========			======		=====		=====

				pi		3.1415927
				e		2.7182818

Equations
=========

Circumference of a circle of radius r

	C = 2*pi*r

Area of a circle of radius r

	A = pi*r^2

Surface area of a sphere of radius r

	A = 4*pi*r^2

Volume of a sphere of radius r

	V = (4/3)*pi*r^3

Physical Constants
==================

Quantity			Symbol		Value		Units
========			======		=====		=====

Speed of light			c		2.99792458e8	m s^-1
Plancks constant		h		6.626176e-34	J s
Plancks constant		hbar		1.054589e-34	J s
Gravitational constant		G		6.672e-11	N m^2 kg^-2
Charge on an electron		e		1.6021892e-19	C
Mass of an electron		m(e)		9.109534e-31	kg
Mass of a proton		u		1.6605655e-27	kg
Avogadro's number		n(A)		6.022045e23
Boltzmann's constant		k		1.380662e-23	J K^-1
Molar volume at STP		Vm(STP)		2.241383e-2	m^3

Equations
=========

Gravitational attration between two masses m1 and m2 separated
by a distance d (Newton)

	F = G*m1*m2*d^-2

Mass-energy equivalence (Einstein)

	E = m*c^2

Astronomical Constants
======================

Quantity			Symbol		Value		Units
========			======		=====		=====

Mass of the Earth		m(E)		6e24		kg
Mass of the Moon		m(L)		7e22		kg
Mass of the Sun			m(S)		2e30		kg
Radius of the Sun		r(S)		7e8		m
Temperature of the Sun (surface)		6e3		K
Temperature of the Sun (core)			1.4e7		K
Total solar radiation				4e26		W (J s^-1)
Distance Earth-Sun		au		1.495979e+11	m
Light-year			ly		9.460530e+15	m

Equations
=========

Radius of a (spherical, non-rotating) black hole of mass m (Schwartzchild)

	r = 2*G*m*c^-2

========================================================================

So, as an example, I can use these figures to calculate the incident
solar radiation at a distance of 1au:

			Total solar radiation
		------------------------------------
		Surface area of sphere of radius 1au

	4e26/(4*pi*1.495979e+11^2)	= ~1400 W m^-2

Thus a mirror in Earth orbit could collect well over *1GW* per square
kilometre, even after allowing for losses. That's a lot of power - surely
someone can find an application for it (diverting asteroids springs to mind)!

-- 

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From: hurd@e7sa.crd.ge.com (Matt Hurd X7583)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: recent increases in tadpole population
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:08:33 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

AAAAUUUGHHH!!!  I agree with your distress...


There are Worms all over my driveway!!!  I can't keep them off!
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: tim@iss.nus.sg (Tim Poston)
Subject: Re: recent increases in tadpole population
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:57:33 GMT

bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE) writes:

: we can do it.  And if we are discrete enough, maybe they won't notice til its
: too late.
NO!  We can only do it if we're UNITED, not separated!









(Or did you mean "discreet"?)
From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: recent increases in tadpole population
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Originator: bjbisset@c00004-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu


discrete, discreet, So I can't spell....
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Subject: Re: Physical Constants List
Originator: bjbisset@c00202-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:43:06 GMT


dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon) writes:
>Thus a mirror in Earth orbit could collect well over *1GW* per square
>kilometre, even after allowing for losses. That's a lot of power - surely
>someone can find an application for it (diverting asteroids springs to mind)!

Divert?!  Why would we want to divert asteroids?  This is alt.destroy.the.earth.
There are much better uses for that much power.  We could have a gaint
bar-b-cue... 8)

PS: nice work on the data, but why did you write m/s as m s^-1, I mean m/s is
so much more pleasant to the eye...
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon)
Subject: Physical Constants List
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:27:46 GMT

As I suggested a few months ago, this group seems to be in need of
some numerical values to plug into its proposed schemes.  So I have
started compiling a list of physical, mathematical and astronomical
values and equations.  These are taken from various sources, and
I have converted them all to SI (using the units(1) program).  If
anyone has any corrections, improvements, or suggestions, please
mail them to me and I will incorporate them into the next version
of this list.

========================================================================

Mathematical Constants
======================

Quantity			Symbol		Value		Units
========			======		=====		=====

				pi		3.1415927
				e		2.7182818

Equations
=========

Circumference of a circle of radius r

	C = 2*pi*r

Area of a circle of radius r

	A = pi*r^2

Surface area of a sphere of radius r

	A = 4*pi*r^2

Volume of a sphere of radius r

	V = (4/3)*pi*r^3

Physical Constants
==================

Quantity			Symbol		Value		Units
========			======		=====		=====

Speed of light			c		2.99792458e8	m s^-1
Plancks constant		h		6.626176e-34	J s
Plancks constant		hbar		1.054589e-34	J s
Gravitational constant		G		6.672e-11	N m^2 kg^-2
Charge on an electron		e		1.6021892e-19	C
Mass of an electron		m(e)		9.109534e-31	kg
Mass of a proton		u		1.6605655e-27	kg
Avogadro's number		n(A)		6.022045e23
Boltzmann's constant		k		1.380662e-23	J K^-1
Molar volume at STP		Vm(STP)		2.241383e-2	m^3

Equations
=========

Gravitational attration between two masses m1 and m2 separated
by a distance d (Newton)

	F = G*m1*m2*d^-2

Mass-energy equivalence (Einstein)

	E = m*c^2

Astronomical Constants
======================

Quantity			Symbol		Value		Units
========			======		=====		=====

Mass of the Earth		m(E)		6e24		kg
Mass of the Moon		m(L)		7e22		kg
Mass of the Sun			m(S)		2e30		kg
Radius of the Sun		r(S)		7e8		m
Temperature of the Sun (surface)		6e3		K
Temperature of the Sun (core)			1.4e7		K
Total solar radiation				4e26		W (J s^-1)
Distance Earth-Sun		au		1.495979e+11	m
Light-year			ly		9.460530e+15	m

Equations
=========

Radius of a (spherical, non-rotating) black hole of mass m (Schwartzchild)

	r = 2*G*m*c^-2

========================================================================

So, as an example, I can use these figures to calculate the incident
solar radiation at a distance of 1au:

			Total solar radiation
		------------------------------------
		Surface area of sphere of radius 1au

	4e26/(4*pi*1.495979e+11^2)	= ~1400 W m^-2

Thus a mirror in Earth orbit could collect well over *1GW* per square
kilometre, even after allowing for losses. That's a lot of power - surely
someone can find an application for it (diverting asteroids springs to mind)!
-- 

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Dave | dsg@imp.co.uk | +44 753 516599 | I am not a .sig virus, I am a free bug!
===============================================================================
From: RSJ107@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: a better use for excess energy
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:11:56 GMT
 <93026.093806GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University


    The fact that Mars isn't big enough is the whole point.  Everyone there
will be overcrowded and miserable, as they deserve.  Plus we, the worthy, won't
have to go through the trouble of packing our shit and leaving; they will.
To make things worse for them, their environment will be much more hostile than
ours, causing an incredible number of fatalities.  The Law of the Jungle (or
in this case, Wasteland) will take effect, and in a few hundred years they
might even be worthy of our communications.  Besides, we're not trying to
"conserve" anything by reducing the number of trips, are we?  The cost involved
would be well worth it.

                                        Nexroth
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon)
Subject: Re: a better use for excess energy
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:20:41 GMT

In <93022.152027RSJ107@psuvm.psu.edu> <RSJ107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>    If we had something orbiting the Earth collecting enough energy to do most
>anything, the first thing we would have to do is heat up Mars.  You see, then

Here we go again:
	Collecting enough energy to "heat up a planet" requires an
	*enormous* surface area; even more if the mirrors are in Mars
	orbit (it's about twice the distance from the sun, so the
	sunlight is four times as diffuse), and I think there might
	be problems "forwarding" sunlight from Earth orbit (like
	keeping it on target).

See my last post for calculations on heating up the Earth, then see
if you can work out how much mirror surface you're going to need to
heat up Mars (say by 50K or so).

Then remember that you'll actually need more, because radiative losses
to space are not negligible; in fact, with a planet in equilibrium,
heat lost through radiation must *equal* total insolation.
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Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: Physical Constants List
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:58:51 GMT

Matt,

   Listen, I really like the idea of you guys driving the Earth off in
to Sun. Tell you what, I'll stay here and take pictures so there'll be
proof ...


Laggard
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