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From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: TANNING
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:32:21 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1993Jan21.100146.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:

#   What I don't understand is why was it at one time considered
# bad or undesirable to be tanned(i.e. slave days) and now it is
# in style?  In other words at one time in the U.S. tan or dark
# skin was associated with the poor and low class and now it is
# supposedly associated with the rich.  Isn't this a drastic
# change?

I've always understood to be a change in Americans' work habits.  When
America was rural, and most people worked outside, a tan (and short
fingernails, as Janis Cortese pointed out) was a sign of being a
worker.  A pale skin was a sign that you were rich enough to not have
to work in the sun.

Now that most people work inside, a tan is evidence that you have time
to waste lying around in the sun.

# (Janis Cortese)
# > And -- to add one more voice to this -- I tan a little bit, not
# > a lot because I don't want to either get skin cancer or look
# > like a leather handbag in twenty years.  However, I do like to
# > be darker.  This may partially be due to "racial" reasons; I am
# > an Italian-American whose family is from southern Italy, and
# > while my hair and eyes are dark, my skin is quite sallow
# > compared to them.  I don't like this, and would like it to be
# > darker, so I don't avoid tanning when I'm at the beach, although
# > I don't deliberately tan.
#
#   Why do you like to be darker?  Can't you just be happy the
#   way you are?  I feel sorry for people who don't like the
#   color of thier skin.  How can one love anyone else if they
#   don't love themselves?

Again, I think you're reading too much into Janis' remarks.  Everyone
has a normal range of color variation, depending on how much time they
spend in the sun.  Most whites think they look better toward the
darker end of their natural range -- i.e., avoiding "prison pallor" or
the appearance of illness.

Of course, some whites become so obsessed with tanning that they start
turning blotchy.  You might well wonder whether there's some neurosis
behind this extreme practice, just as you might wonder about the
self-image of blacks who artificially lighten their skin, Asians who
have operations on their eyelids, Mediterraneans who have nose
operations, etc., etc.

Another angle to the tanning craze is chemicals that purport to tan
without the sun.  We don't see much of that around here because
sunlight is so plentiful, but I did see a woman one day whose skin was
literally bright orange.  Sad, but hilarious.

David



Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: gaff@sr.com (Jon Gaff)
Subject: Maya Angelou poem in U.S. News...
Reply-To: gaff@srhqla.sr.com (Jon Gaff)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:36:16 GMT

The current issue of U.S. News & World Report (first week of Feb.) has a nice
two-page reprint of Maya Angelou's inaugural poem.  Great picture, too.

Also, the Family channel is running "Roots".

-- 
Jon Gaff / SilentRadio head tech support bozo.
From: gds@CS.UCLA.EDU (Greg Skinner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: A bushel of raspberries for Kolodney
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:55:09 GMT
Organization: in your face!

In article <1jnhq7INN4ro@morrow.stanford.edu> Gabrielle Daniels wrote:
>Look at the Chinese.  Im not saying that they werent casting
>covetous glances at the Vietnamese and the Cambodians.  There was
>the Mongol Empire, too.  But when it came time to check out the
>great unknown of the Pacific, or even to consider stretching out to
>the Levant and Eastern Europe, they probably just said, wait a
>minute.  Whats the limit?  Are we stepping into something we hadnt
>oughta?  Do we have everything we need?  Maybe we need to look into
>ourselves and develop our inner selves.  Maybe controlling others
>doesnt get the same result in the long run as controlling ourselves
>and depending on our own initiative.

However, the Japanese, after developing the technology and getting a
ruler whose desire it was to expand his horizons, decided to try to
stretch their hands across the Pacific.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden.
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:06:11 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1993Jan18.190722.27436@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:

# In my view, the Europeans of the 18th-20th centuries developed
# a civilization that, in terms of systematic brutality, racism
# and indifference to human suffering, is unprecedented in all of
# history. Unlike Larry Kolodney, I don't believe that it was
# merely a question of superior technology. What do you say?

The real question is why you consider this an important point.

David


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: A raspberry to Kolodney
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:01:03 GMT

nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:

>If Gabrielle Daniels says she's a writer, I'll take her
>word for it.  But to unload such foolishness on Larry
>Kolodney (of all people) suggests that she don't read too
>good.

Gaby's got it goin on, trust me. She wuz just espousing the People's Republic
of the Bay Area flavor of anti-Eurocentrism. But I agree Larry Kolodney is
an odd target.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: More raspberries for Kolodney
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:46:33 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan21.184539.25010@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>Gabrielle Daniels writes:
>>...
>>Thirdly, and this is for Michorowski. You made a rather stupid
>>remark about my talking about the murder of millions of women who
>>were healers, midwives and herbalists.  Well, dude, most of those
>>women were persecuted for being witches.  They were burned at the
>>stake, for instance.  So much for the enlightened views of Western
>>Civ.
>>...
>
>This is dishonest, Gabrielle. As you well know, I was making fun of
>your claim that MILLIONS of midwives and herbalists had been burned by
>the Catholic church.  The claim was, and still is, phantasmagorical.
.
.
So I'm a liar, huh?  ESAD. I repeat.  Several million women and not
a few men were burned, stoned or otherwise, by the auspices of the
Catholic Church because of superstitiousness and woman hating. And,
even in your own Poland.  I know whereof I speak.

>I don't understand the peculiar desire that you (and others) have to
>multiply the numbers of the dead. 60 million Africans here, a million
>midwives there. Somebody recently tossed in a few hundred thousand
>Africans mowed down by British machine guns. Why can't we have some
>respect for those who actually suffered and died? Do we need an additional
>imaginary mountain of corpses before we know that we need to get our
>act together?
>
>You and I live on different planets, Gabrielle. Mine is the third one
>from the Sun.
>
.
.
No, you think you are so special, precious and blameless, that there
is nothing that white people don't do.  And you really haven't read
any of my posts to learn anything. Guys like you don't deserve to
live, seriously.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:14194 alt.rap:7121
From: adamsg@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flash-G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap
Subject: Re: Masons
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:04:23 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu






No offense, but I don't see what the Mason's have to do with this newsgroup.



Just my $0.02.



                                                 Outty like Curt Gowdy,
                                                      Flash-G
 
"...rip the stage
        at my age, 
      I get loose,
and kick like Bruce
          in rage,
 I'm on a rampage!"
                     - E-double







From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:51:40 GMT
Subject: Reginald Lewis Dies
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american



Reginald Lewis, CEO of Beatrice(sp?), passed away
yesterday, cause of death: brain cancer;  Reginald
headed up the largest, Black-owned business in
America (the world too??);  Reginald expanded his
horizons in the 80's during the buyout fever; a
true leader and expert manipulator of the capitalist
system.


peace out,
pjm.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:14487 talk.politics.misc:70507
From: zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Cuba
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:38:59 GMT
Reply-To: zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan27.202237.19286@midway.uchicago.edu>, Ted Frank writes:

>>She wouldn't need that 25% if she were allowed to trade freely. Simple logic.

>And what would Cuba sell?  

Cigars? Sugar? Molasses? Tourism?  

>Russia *used* to subsidize oil imports for Cuba.  They did until well
>within Gorbachev's reign.  They *stopped* propping up the Cuban dictators,
>and that's why their economy is in so much trouble.  Learn some history.

Yup, I predict that the Cuban revolution will outlive Castro by about 5 minutes. 
The next President will be on a plane to Washington to supplicate before Fidel's
body is cold. 

JZ
From: agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:54:23 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <25289@galaxy.ucr.edu> starbuck@galaxy.ucr.edu (starbuck) writes:
>In article <0fKmviC00VpbI2ZVYT@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>
>{ article deleted }
>
>White bashing is in at this time so as an Asian are just following the times. 
>You may feel you are moral but you are just another bigot this time one
>with yellow skin.  All you do is promote hate.  You know, I know and most 
>people know that in Japan Black people are condsidered sub-human.  In Japan
>racism is a way of life.  Ask the folks in China and in Korea, they have felt
>the violence of Japan and it's hate and contempt they have for others not like
>themselves.  So don't come on the net writing about how bad white people are 
>you have no right.  Period.
>
>starbuck 

Yo Starbuck,

	Take a look at how the Europeans (whites) totally destroyed and
uprooted the indigenous cultures of the people of the world that they came
in contact with during their so-called age of imperialism and colonialist
expansion. If you notice, every civilization that the Europeans came in
contact with, they destroyed and took the land. Then subjected those peoples
to their way of doing things. No other race of poepls have been more violent
and more destructive than the Europeans. The ironic thing is that the same
civilizations the Europeans destroyed, were around thousands of years before
the Europeans developed their first stationary government, and that was with
the help of the ancient Egyptians who were Black people. But that's another
story. Nevertheless, the world is in the deplorable condition it is in today
I believe, as result of the residual effects of the colonial/neo-colonial
practices of the Europeans of yesterday and today.

Your comments are welcome.

Arthur

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From: taylor@hojo.larc.nasa.gov (Barney Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Gabrielle and the heat she's taken
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:51:24 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hojo.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan28.125630.15708@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
|> In article <2B6737D1.15139@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
|> >I'm not going to point to anything in particular, but I've noticed that
|> > (extra omitted)
|> >
|> >Regards,
|> >Janis C.
|> > 
|> 
|>   I find Gabrielle's posts well thought up, and intellectually
|>   (extra omitted)
|> 
|>   Clare

I am an African Man who believes in the ways of our ancient ancestors....

I am always honored by the Godly presence of the Alkebulan (African) woman. I'm 
not sure if you all are Alkebulan women physically, but spiritually I am aware
of your Godly nature. Western civilization and all that Western civilization has
created, has turn upside down the deep rooted respect of women (all women particularly
Alkebulanian woman). Those who still think women are less than or equal to man
still have not come into true understanding of the Superior Aspects of Women.

All of the associated with God are subconsciously given to women, e.g. Omniscience to
God, sixth sense or women's intuition to women; Creator of life to God, Birth to
women; Omnipresence to God, whereever there are humans there is women to her; In the
beginning there must have been a women or where could any more people have come from.

Some male idiots may deny the wisdom and eternal essence of the woman ... but not I.

peace,

Barney,

_________________________________________
NASA Computer Scientist / Software Engineer

The previous comments do not represent the
opinions of my employer or the government in
any part.

Hetep
-------------------------------------------
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What History & His Burden to AfAM
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:32:16 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan16.063348.28541@leland.Stanford.EDU>
stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>I read everything you wrote and I'm still shocked. Do you know that hundreds,
>perhaps thousands, of people read your postings and shake their heads with 
>dismay? Do you know how much comfort it gives to racists to see a young black
>man make such a hash of the principles of reasoning, logic, fair play and 
>scholarship, not to mention spelling, syntax and style? You are Malcolm's 
>bitter fruit...
>
>I greatly fear that we are losing an entire generation of young African 
>Americans. All of this hatred, confusion, anger and ignorance will have to be
>painfully unlearned by Chad's children, at great cost to themselves and 
>to America. In the meantime, the important work of this country will go on 
>without the participation of the Chad Glovers, who live in their own strange
>world, which is peopled with pale-skinned hobgoblins and noble black warriors.
>The great tragedy is that this self-inflicted damage is so unnecessary. 
>Sad. 
>
>S.

Stefan, experience is the best teacher, and reading is the best tool for
education. Did you read the whole thing, apparently not. America refuses to
accept me and people like me because of my color and when if I ever do, stop
accepting people because of skin color, I am wrong.  As I said, I am not a
racist. I am a African-American that is tired of sitting back watching my
people constantly being treated like Animals, and you'll NEVER understand that.
I don't believe all Black People are God-Like and perfect, nor do I believe all
white people are devils and the converse. But what I do believe is that there
is a system of white supremacy that plays into and affects everything that
happens. The more things change, the more they stay the same. My children will
be better than me, will yours? Change Webster(the dictionory), fix the history
books, and stop oppressing me and my people through your ignorance concerning
racism. Come back to me when you can deal with the realities of my life and
that of the destruction of the African.
Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:14257 ca.politics:10632
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics
Subject: WE're Beatrice
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:41:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I've just heard radio clips that the head of Beatrice was a Black American.
I never knew that, and I still haven't seen coverage in the newspapers
here. Anybody got the full story, and like Rush LImbaugh says, how come
young blacks don't ever hear about this guy, only the tough guys in the
hoods. Sounds like this guy had the right ticket to fortune and riches,
not the losers that told NPR that they sold drugs because "the money's good",
admitted "yeah, it kinda destroys the race, but that's not my problem",
and "I've got a job, but I lookj like a hoodlum so I can't get a better
job". I also wonder about rap lyrics I heard on KPFA that "i'm going to
make you an orphan", homocide is my hobby, I have no value for life,
blah blah blah. What am I supposed to make of this?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee Sawyer)
Subject: Re: WHITE CHRISTMAS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: WHITE CHRISTMAS
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington High Energy Physics Group
Distribution: global
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:07:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.175258.22200@seq.uncwil.edu>, frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes...
> 
>Muhammed Ali made a fool of himself on the Donahue show in 1978.
> 
>He was arguing that the country was implicitly racist, saying
> 
>"Look at that White Jesus on the wall!"
> 
>The only Jesus on the wall was a Jew
> 

 Really ? Unfortunately for the European Jewery, the depictions
of Jesus eveolved more and more northern Caucasian features as the
centuries passed, until we find the rediculous "blue-eyed Jesus"
of so many dime store paintings.

>(That's "hymie" to all of you Jesse Jackson RAINBOW-SOULJAh's)
> 

  Completely uncalled for..

>Now so many of you make the same bufoonal error here.
> 
>Let us not forget that Christmas celebrates the birth of the
>Jesus of Nazareth. We are all sorry that he could not be black,
>but God decided he couldn't be white either.
> 
>But then again, what IS black and white?

  Ah, a clue slowly dawns - it isn't about skin color, it
is all about ethnic identity.

> 
>Muhammed Ali had an excuse: too many blows to the noggin.
> 
>What's your excuse?

 Right back at ya...

       ================                           
         Lee Sawyer                                  

         Dept of Physics                          
         Univ. of Texas                            
               at Arlington
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: A raspberry to Kolodney
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:08:04 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <C1EpxC.4GE@agora.rain.com>,
robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob) writes:
>In article <1jl2ijINN1j6@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>When I see a shirt which is assembled in Haiti, or the Dominican
>>Republic, I may want it, but I think about those lives making less
>>than a dollar a day so I can pay $25.00 for the shirt.
>
>
>  Yes, no doubt you would be a lot happier if they would just quit
>their jobs and do without.
.
.
No, I'd be a lot happier if they truly had their own industries and
could set their own wages, create pensions and health care. As it
is, U.S.  industries "invest" in these countries...
.
By the same token, their assembly work puts American workers in
a quandary, don't you think?
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Controversial Freedom Game for grade schoolers.
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:05:09 GMT
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

spiff@math.wayne.edu (Jason Leigh) writes:
>	I accidentally tuned into the middle of Entertainment Tonight
>today (1/22/93) and caught the last part of a segment on a
>controversal educational game that was used in a number of grade
>schools. The game is called the Freedom Game and it looked like it ran
>on Macs, and Apple II's.  Evidently the game allows players to
>re-enact what it was like to be an African slave during the slave
>trade in America.  In this game if you got caught running away you
>would be chained and then taken back to the master to be whipped- this
>seemed to disturb a number of parents.  Some of the children who used
>it had problems understanding the african-english dialect used
>throughout the game.
>
>Has anyone heard or seen anything about this game or know of the
>publisher who produced it?  Evidently the publisher has requested that
>schools return the software and destroy any copies that may have
>already been sold.

I caught the whole segment, so here are the parts you missed.  The game
was written by a Black programmer.  In the game, you play the part of a
runaway slave, trying to reach freedom in the North.

There have been two problems with it:

	1. A short video tape that is supposed to be shown to students
	before they play the game has not been shown in most schools.

	2. Some people object to the way the slaves talk.  The programmer
	went for historical accuracy, and this appears to offend some
	people.

--Tim Smith
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:10:36 GMT

>In article <1993Jan21.180129.13733@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan20.223413.10464@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:
>>>In various articles mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>
>>>>A permanent policy of shoot to kill against rioters
>>>>might be a pretty effective permanent solution to riots.
>>
>>>Not in a society that pretends to be democratic. 
>>
>>Sorry, dude, but democracy refers to majority rule.  If the majority
>>is happy killing rioters then there is no problem.

In a very well-publicized survey, either 68 or 72% of college men
surveyed said that they would "force a woman into having sex" if they
knew they would not get caught.  Guess since the majority of men think
it's okay we should do it.  Check out Naomi Wolf' latest book for refs,
please. 

The majority of people in the south 100 years ago (and probably far
recently) also thought that slavery was an acceptable evil.  The
majority of people in the country 100 years ago thought women shouldn't
vote.  

There is no rule that says "vox populus, vox Dei" here, pal.  The
majority can be way fucking wrong, and if you're looking down the wrong
end of a gun, the majority can appear even more wrong.

What an asshole.

Janis C.


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