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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:28:07 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
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From article <Bz3onz.88y@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard):
>
> The Human Right is the Right to Education which is not at all as the
> right to choose the language of education.  And this right to choose
> just can not exist with the right to migrate because a lot of migration
> involves a change of local language.

Article (26)(3) of the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights and
Freedoms reads:-

"Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be
 given to their children."

That right to chooses is denied from most people in Quebec, and in particular
from English-speaking families who would like to send their children to
existing, publicly funded English schools in the province!

:-(

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Xref: sparky can.politics:10831 can.general:6027 soc.culture.canada:9427
From: snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:38:19 GMT

In <1992Dec16.215725.6102@bnr.ca> bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.153009.16378@csd.uwe.ac.uk> th2_oate@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Tom Oates) writes:
>>
>>The British will never rid themselves of royalty, but I can certainly see
>>them cutting down on its extravagances. After all, he who pays the piper
>>should be able to call the tune. 

>Check the origin of the civil list.  Compare the present value of
>the assets given to parliamentary control with the present value
>of the stream of civil list payments.  There is an argument to
>be made that it is the Queen who is paying the piper.

>-- 
>at Bell-Northern Research
>voice:        (613) 765-2739
>Canada Post:  P.O. Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7
>I do not claim that BNR holds these views.  
What a load of twaddle u spout - why will the brits NEVER be rid of
this incredible burden - WHY cos of the SAS and the NATA special
relationship as two diabolically (d i a m e t r i c ally) opposed
forces - come on mate all regeims come and go and this Windsor thing
is on the way out if you havnt noticed and the sooner the bloo*y
better!

Off with the band of unseccesfully manipulative bandits and outdated
pirates no longer to keep the crew from immenent mutiny!


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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Monetary "theory"
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:33:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.224939.21817@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>The more debt we accumulate, the more sovereignty we surrender...
>...we either impose austerity, an enlightened austerity, on ourselves,
>or we not are far from having a brutal one imposed on us.

How about both an austerity and an aggresive government led
program of economic recovery and growth to bring revenues
back to an acceptable level to pay off the debt?

You can sit there, dirt poor, not spend, and keep the debt the
same (i.e. zero deficit, but the debt's still there!) for an
infinite amount of time. That seems to be the Tories' solution.
Except, they haven't even reached that point yet, since there's
still that annual deficit, and it's even growing year after year.

Or you can target sectors for growth and put some effort into it,
while at the same time cut back on unnecessary waste to reduce
the deficit, and put in a more reasonable (i.e. steeper) progressive
taxation rate.
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
Xref: sparky can.politics:10953 can.general:6095 soc.culture.canada:9551
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:54:10 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1193

From article <1992Dec16.120858.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, by 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque):
> 
> I admire Reed Scowen very much. He is NOT going to leave Quebec because
> Quebec is his home, and he is NOT going to give up the English language
> because more people speak French than speak English.

Aside: Reed Scowan is now living in New York.

> If anything, this
> country needs more militancy from all corners. Reed Scowen is the new
> face of English Quebec. No more the quiet accepting type you usually
> find in the (federally funded... ugh) Alliance Quebec, but someone who
> actually goes out and fights for what he believes in.
> 
> (that being said, I do NOT endorse everythihg he says, just his attitude)
>

John, I side of you I wasn't expecting to see.

Is is also allright for English-speaking parents to fight for the right to
have their children attend English schools?

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  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:39:49 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: do we really need the
Distribution: can

In article <1992Dec13.4112.13482@dosgate>, "robert radford"
<robert.radford@canrem.com> says:
>
> AP>  No, we do not need the monarchy. They are not just an anachronism,
> AP>  they are a parasitic anachronism.
>
>It's always amusing to see die-hard republicans. Lacking any understanding
>of their own culture, they identify with U.S. television and define
>everything in American terms e.g. the U.S. has a flag, we need a flag; the
>U.S. doesn't have a monarchy, we need to drop our monarchy.
>
>Whether we need a monarchy or not, it is our own and one of the few things
>that distinguishes us. Or do you just watch the Simpsons?
>

As a Canadian nationalist who sees no need for the monarchy, I think you are
dismissing your opponants with a silly generalisation.

>---
> * Freddie 1.2 * Genie: R.L.Radford  Compuserve: 76354,535
>Other: Robert.Radford@canrem.com
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From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: re: gun control petition
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:31:01 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: can
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <1992Dec12.4112.13474@dosgate> 
"alan pickersgill"  writes: 
>  
>  They are designed and built to be used. Their use is to kill.

        We could conclude from this that the reason we give policeman
        guns is so that they will use them to kill people. If that's
        the case we're wasting our money, because very few policemen
        ever get to kill anybody.

        ,Marc


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Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:55:15 PST
Distribution: can
Organization: Robert Smits

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

>  I argue  for responible government and the God,Quuen and Country tenets to
> come together.
>  In short, /i say let all the people under the God-conttolled domain come
> together and work together for the each ohters benefit, Not as a hierachy, bu
> as first among equals.
> 
> BTW, all you fanatics trying to draft me for the British throne, I nedd a VER
> GOOD reason for excepting the candidacy otherwise, I will decline.
> 


Nope, you're disqualified. Potential candidates must have demonstrated 
the ability to read, write complete sentences and spell. You fail on all 
counts, Dave. 

:-) :-)


emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca  (Robert Smits, Ladysmith B.C.)

Support your fellow Canadians. We should buy lousy Canadian novels 
instead of importing lousy American novels. - Johnny Wayne
Xref: sparky can.politics:10677 soc.culture.british:17361 soc.culture.australian:5111
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:07:26 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
 <gPBmVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> <1992Dec11.233708.27409@cdf.toronto.edu>

In article <1992Dec11.233708.27409@cdf.toronto.edu>, g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu
(Rosemary Waigh) says:
>
>In article <gPBmVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>(Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>Time and time again, I have proposed a
>>representative government that would be directly responible to God, Queen and
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                                 ^^^  ^^^^^
>>country on a VERY LARGE SCALE! It is time to consider who our friends are!!
>
>Judging from the responses your postings on this subject usually get, a
>government accountable to "God" and the Queen would not be representative.

Besides, God tends not to answer phone calls these days.

>
>Ro
>--
>Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
>g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
>        "Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
>        for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 01:28:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.182447.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:
>And then as a kid
>in Ontario he got hassled for his French accent. Even now racist
>assholes where he works hand him Reform/APEC pamphlets and hassle
>him and the other factory workers for speaking French.

Mon Dieu.

I guess I was right after all when I fought so hard against the
Reform party. Their policies may be passable on paper. Too bad
a few of their member aren't even toilet trained.
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From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:29:35 GMT
Followup-To: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
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Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
> 
> - As a politics major, I am well aware of the structures involved.
> 
>   Wher have I heard that one before.  My dear fellow, you are addressing a
> Policy Director for Liberal Party Consitutency Associations!
> -
Best news the Tories and NDP have had all week.....

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Newsgroups: can.politics
From: stevew@teleride.on.ca (Stephen M. Webb)
Subject: Re: Bank of Canada and printing money.
Organization: Teleride Sage Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:30:44 GMT

In article <18319@mindlink.bc.ca> John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson) writes:
>I never have been involved in any ECONOMIC class so I would like to find out
>what is the situation if the BANK of CANADA does print extra cash just to pay
>off the debt to a "000" balance.
>
>Does the amount of printed money relate to anything?

ECO100:

The economic value of something depends on a number of factors: desireability
and supply chief among them.  Basic economic theory holds that as the supply
of a commodity increases, the marginal value (reflected in the price of a good)
will go down.  Applied on a macroeconomic scale to the dollar, the more
dollars you circulate, the less each dollar is worth.

If the goal were to decrease the debt, printing money would do the job.
Because the value of the dollar would plummet, $1 billion would be worth
only a few thousand in constant dollars (ie. the value the dollar had in,
say, 1971).  What you have to understand is that the debt is not some black
hole where money goes.  The debt is primarily the savings of individual
Canadians and foreign investors.  The debt is Canada Savings Bonds,
T-bills, and other government bonds.  These instruments are held by
individual and institutional investors like pension funds and banks.

The value of money is really the underlying value of the net worth of the
economy.  All the assets of a country: real estate, capital developments
(buildings, roads), primary resources (forests, mines, farms, fisheries),
manufactured goods, and services all contribute to the value of the dollar.
The only way to pay down the debt without losing our savings is to reduce
the principle owing and lower interest rates.  

Any more questions?

-- 
------- Stephen M. Webb -------

Ack!  I've accidentally broken my leg!  -- Ed the Happy Clown

Newsgroups: can.politics
From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
Subject: Re: No Senate Elections
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:34:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.204606.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:
>In article <BzBME7.EnD@mach1.wlu.ca>, scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U) writes:
>
>> No, not at all.  Albertans rejected the Accord which would have allowed
>> elections.  What would Albertans say if Mulroney gave Quebec 25% guarantee
>> anyway, "even though Quebecers voted no on the deal".
>
>That is SO arrogant an attitude. Are you suggesting that only with that
>repugnant half-assed report called the Charlottetown Consensus could
>Canadians get an elected Senate, or for that matter - a 25% guarantee.
>(which in my opinion is a FEDERALIST blackmail of Quebec. "Vote for this 
>guarantee and you will never need vote for a sovereign Quebec".) ?
>
>I'm proud that I voted NO on October 26, along with millions of other
>Quebecois and Canadians. I denounce your post-mortem eulogy of the 
>accord and that it was the "last chance" for an elected Senate or
>, if you mention it, aboriginal self-government or interprovincial
>free trade. To believe that a piece of paper could be the only chance
>any of these things could be achieved is truly a Mulroneyism.

I'm just saying the it was a DEAL, meaning that Quebec would only accept a
EEE Senate if it got a guarantee of 25% of the HoC seats.  I'm also just
saying that we'll never get another deal that would address both of these
issues--Quebec voted no because it said that it got too little.  The West
voted no because it said Quebec got too much.  One of them was wrong.  Maybe
both?

I really don't want to rehash the Oct 26 referendum.
>
>(dump the Senate, and HoC NOW   !!! They are all vipers)

I can see dumping the senate, but what would you replace the House of
Commons with?
-- 
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Waterloo, Ontario |  If you actually think I speak for Wilfrid Laurier
Canada!!          |  University, well... I don't even want to think about it.
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: No Senate Elections
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:30:57 GMT

In article <f-T=k=#@engin.umich.edu> marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young) writes:
>
>I suspect that if Mulroney were to start selecting elected senators, that
>someone (probably from Ontario or Quebec) would challenge the senate election
>law under section 42(1)(b) of the Constitution.  I figure they'd win (since
>the wording is quite clear), but others have argued differently (tho' none of
>us are actually constitutional lawyers).
>

There is nothing in the constitution to stop Mulroney from appointing
anyone that meas the qualifications in the exisiting constitution...
and that means he can appoint anyone who is Elected who meets the
constitutional qualifications and any other qualifications he might
impose as prime minister.

Appointment does not preclude democracy...and democracy does not
require a constitutional amendment. 

Gerald

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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:01:07 GMT

sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.191124.17333@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:

>>The only reason Canada might conceivably wish to retain the British
>>monarchy is because, with our perpetual national identity crisis, 
>>the monarchy is one last vestige of Canadian identity we probably cannot
>>afford to throw away at present, whether we like it or not. 

>I'll bet the *French*-Canadians haven't suffered from this "national
>identity crisis".  

No, they have their own identity crisis -- they think they are being
persecuted.

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From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:40:58 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Dec16.205632.14087@cc.umontreal.ca> rouxclau@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roux Claude) writes:
> Ce que je trouve merveilleux dans ce debat sur la discrimination au Quebec
>c'est la facon dont le debat lui-meme est organise. Or donc, les francophones
>y sont traines dans la boue, on les accuse de manquer d'ouverture d'esprit
>d'etre d'accord avec un systeme a la limite du faschisme etc.. Pensez donc
                                                fascisme
>ces pauvres anglophones de Montreal, en particulier ceux du fameux square,

Quel square?

>subissant vexation sur vexation, l'horreur de la situation me chavire le
>coeur, je cessairai donc la.. Tout cela pour dire que les Quebecois me semblent
           cesserai (?)
>ils devraient prendre exemple sur l'ouverture d'esprit de leurs concitoyens
>anglophones et par exemple on pourrais commencer cette ouverture par un
>unilinguisme forcene, puisque l'impression qui se degage c'est que pour etre
>ouvert d'esprit il ne faut s'exprimer que dans une langue (ici par un hasard
>curieux c'est l'anglais.. bizarre, bizarre vous avez dit bizarre?).

Qui a dit qu'il ne faut s'exprimer qu'en anglais?

> Il est quand meme incroyable, dans un pays officiellement bilingue, que
>l'apprentissage d'une langue etrangere soit facultative partout sauf au Quebec
>ou l'apprentissage de l'anglais est obligatoire dans les ecoles francaises.
>Dans les ecoles anglaises du Quebec, l'apprentissage du francais est...
>facultatif...                                                           societe

On me dit que l'etude du francais est obligatoire dans les ecoles
anglaises du Quebec des la 1ere annee, alors que l'etude de l'anglais
dans les ecoles francaises ne commence qu'en 4e annee.  Je ne sais pas
si c'est vrai, puisque je ne suis pas un produit du systeme scolaire
quebecois.

>Yeeeeee.. Le premier pas lorsque l'on veut comprendre une
>il me semble que c'est l'apprentissage de la langue de cette societe.
> Je n'accepterai les remarques insultantes sur le manque d'ouverture des
>Quebecois que lorsque ces remarques auront ete redigees dans ma langue, me
>prouvant ainsi que la personne a pu avoir un contact direct, personnel avec
>la societe dont il parle et non une image deforme transmise par la rumeur
                                           deformee
>publique... Me traiter d'intolerant et de raciste en.. anglais, quand la
>plupart des francophones du reseau sont capables de repondre dans cette langue
>alors que telle n'est pas le cas pour la plupart des repondants anglophones
           tel
>me semble en soit la reponse la plus claire qui soit a leurs insultes et a
              soi
>leur ignorance...
>
Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: myahgula@questor.org (Michael Yahgulanaas)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: SOUTH MORESBY/GWAII HAANAS
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:30:39 PST
Organization: Questor|Free Usenet News|Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

For those who thought that the battle to stop the logging of South 
Moresby, Haida Gwaii was over, and that a National Park had been 
established... Think again...the issues arising from the Haidas 
successful halt of Canadian sanctioned logging are on the table. Promise 
made by Canada in the Memorandum of Agreement with the Province of BC are 
now been discussed in Ottawa. An alliance of Haidas and island Canadians 
is proposing some innovative communiity reconstruction along the lines of 
sustainable development.

If you wish to know more... watch, listen and yes even contact any 
Federal Conservative MP's office, especially the PMO. Expect that by the 
third week of January an important announcement will be made by the 
Conservatives. For those who think that we need a sign of hope in Canada, 
this may be it.



--
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From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Monetary "theory"
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: na
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:43:27 GMT

Michael Hui (myhui@bnr.ca) wrote:
>
>Or you can target sectors for growth and put some effort into it,
>while at the same time cut back on unnecessary waste to reduce
>the deficit, and put in a more reasonable (i.e. steeper) progressive
>taxation rate.

What would a steeper tax schedule look like? As it is, the top marginal
rate exceeds 50% in most, if not all, provinces. My own personal opinion is
that marginal tax rates above 50% are draconian and are in fact a
disincentive - why work for that promotion and raise if the government is
going to only let you keep, say, 30% of it?


-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
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