HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:24:47 GMT

Randy Murrish (mush@craycos.com) wrote:
: Ow!  The skiing is going to be great this year.  If you cannot cancel
: your reservations, at least ski in Pitkin (Aspen), Eagle (Vail), or
: Summit counties (Copper Mtn, Breck, Keystone).  Those counties (along
: with Denver and Boulder) voted down the amendment by 60 to 65%.  They
: also will be the frontline of any battle against amendment 2 so
: helping their local economy in some small way will be helping to
: repeal the amendment.

That's a great idea.  How about asking restaurants and hotels to publically
display signs opposing amendment 2?  So, when you went skiing, you could
know where to go eat and where to stay.  It seems like this could work
even on a guerrilla (sp?) scale.  Go into a restaurant, for instance, and
ask them if they opposed amendment 2...

Throwing out ideas,
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
------------------- Hatred and Bigotry are immoral ---------------------------
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:04:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BxA8zu.7FK
Organization: Open Communications Forum

bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:

>I don't have the addresses of too many Colorado-based businesses,
>but some companies to consider are Coors, Storage Technology,
>US West and US West Cellular, any subsidiary of TCI, Inc, the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not that it's the world's easiest thing to boycott a monopoly, but
US West was very supportive of us in the Oregon fight, and even 
purchased a full page ad in the Voter's Pamphlet urging the defeat 
of Plan 9 from Outer Space.

Still, you've got to break some eggs to make an omlette.  Their 
headquarters is, after all, in Denver.  One tactic might be to
suggest to them that they are going to have a lot of difficulty
recruiting gay telecom professionals into that kind of hateful 
environment.
-- 
Brent Capps                          | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | okay, but wash it first.
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Some good news
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:37:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.161522.15758@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>
>Have heard that Glen Maxey won his state Rep. Seat.  Not only 
>congratulations the GBLO in Austin and Travis county, but
>also to the whole community of Austin!  Glen is one wonderful person!!!!
>
>Bil Snodgrass III
With 76% of the vote!  Talk about a landslide.  That'll show Republican

pig farmers....
>

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Teledildonics
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:52:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.201644.28457@oracle.us.oracle.com> dgilly@us.oracle.com 
(Daniel Gilly) writes:
>
>It is a nonsense word, isn't it?  What's it *supposed* to mean?
>Sounds like virtual reality phone sex.

Obviously not a nonsense word, since you can look at its morphemes and
figure out a meaning which is relatively close to the intended meaning.
It's not a nonce word either, I'd say. 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:53:24 GMT

In article <fcf1_x_@rpi.edu>, buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins)) writes:
>
>>Oh BTW there are many gays right now in the military.  They work and
>>live with men (if men) and women (if women).  I haven't seen or
>>heard of any problems. Unlike the Navy pilots who basically harassed
>>and molested women in a hotel, or the women who were harassed in
>>the Gulf War.
>
>>There is no reason why gay people shouldn't be in the arm forces, if
>>they wish to.  As for discipline, they have to be just like everyone
>>else.
>
>Anyone notice that Canada got rid of it's military ban last Tuesday?
>
>The US's could end January 21, 1993! :-)


A friend of mine just got back from a tour in Europe.  He tells
me that it was quite festive there during the Gulf War.  All
military dependants had to leave Europe during the War.  All
those husbands (didn't hear about wives) were without their
wives.  Story is, the Recreation center was full of.. uh..
"recreation."  Overseas in the Air Farce, they have these
wooden phone booths in the Rec center for calling the
States in privacy.  Apparently some large holes appeared
between these booths.


Shawn, who as a gay veteran, reccomends gay military stay
hidden even after Clinton keeps his promise.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:18:50 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Nov06.140028.37912@watson.ibm.com>
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>on Larry King Live last night, Pat Robertson made
>it clear that his "Christian" Coalition is mounting a
>grass-roots campaign to wrestle power away from the
>Democrats.  his campaign is starting at the county level and
>will be working itself up the political power ladder!  he
>intends to infiltrate the political system from the ground
>up!

He has made *very* substantial progress, not just where his
most conspicuous successes are, but indeed all over the
country.  Just as you say, he's building a national movement
by starting at the local level, primarily school boards,
boards of county supervisors, and the other usual routes of
entry into our political life.  He's taking the long view
and doing everything as quietly and inconspicuously as
possible.  It's exactly the right recipe for taking over the
country, and they're proceeding according to plan.  They're
quite prepared for opposition, indeed much better prepared
than the opposition is.  And this movement is not, I repeat,
confined to just a few places.  It's everywhere.

Much valuable time has already been lost.  These people are
the new Hitlerites, and that is *not* an exaggeration.  The
time to oppose them with everything we have is right now.
The Party of God is the enemy of freedom-loving people
everywhere.  To ignore this is to sign one's own death
warrant and utterly to abandon the lofty ideals upon which
the Republic was founded.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Boy Scouts
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:16:30 -0700
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

The following lyrics should be sung to the old Tom Lehrer song,
"Be Prepared".  Feel free to reuse without permission.  We did a great
skit at the Denver Gay Men's Chorus retreat this past weekend using
these lyrics.  We all needed a bit of humor after this past week...

Be Prepared [original by Tom Lehrer, new words by Andy Gerber]

Be Prepared! That's the Boy Scout's Marching Song
Be Prepared! As through life you march along
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell.
Be Prepared! To hide those porno magazines
you'll get caught, with a big bulge in your jeans!

Keep that pot well hidden where you're sure that it will not be found.
And be careful not to smoke it when the Scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that it be shared!  
Be Prepared!

Be Prepared! That's the Boy Scout's solemn creed
Be Prepared! And be straight in word and deed.
Don't jerk off inside your sleeping bag at night,
there's free blow jobs at the third tent on the right.
Be Prepared, and be careful not to do your good deeds,
when there's noone watching you

If you're looking for adventure of a new and different kind
and you come some Boy Scouts who are similarly inclined.
Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared, 
Be Prepared!

Be Prepared!  That's what all the Boy Scout's Say
Be Prepared!  When they say that they aren't gay!
I've heard stories that would curl your mother's hair,
about what happens between Boy Scouts everywhere.
Be Prepared! And love all your fellow man,
just as long, as you aren't caught holding hands.

When the Boy Scouts of America say no gays wanted here,
Just remember all the Eagle Scouts who like it up the rear!
'Cause a Boy Scout's still a Boy Scout if he's queer!
Be Prepared!





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From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Moonshine, the election, and you
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:07:07 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1d94coINNa55@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.174734.12951@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> 
>gsmith@clio.uucp (Gene W. Smith (ne Eugen Schmidt)) writes:
>| In article <mattm-031192121713@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
>| mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>| >We'll do something about *our* Republican Party.  But ours is rather
>| >harmless, as Republican Parties go.  *Yours*, on the other hand, is
>| >proving very adept at counting from Three to Four.
>|
>| Dang.  I had forgotten you have been reading this group since before
>| it was net.motss.  OK, you caught me.  You've been around long enough
>| so that you think Steve and Laura are newbies,
>
>Those two wannabes?  Melon's seen the likes of 
>them come and go, come and go.

your sarcasm is unlikely to make the grade...but an interesting approach...

>
>|                                                so of course you've
>| been through the Great Renaming, which was where I changed my name
>| from Schmidt and tried not to post anymore with a heavy Teutonic
>| accent.
>
>And you've been pretty successful at it, too, Eugen, er,
>Gene, but you weren't able to fool that Melon.  He's
>got a mind like a steel trap.

preferably full of wolverine!

>
>| I guess from now on I'll have to follow the Kaldis law and not post 
>| anything more about US politics.  But before I quit, could you explain
>| exactly what it is you are going to do with the homophobes who have
>| captured *your* Republican party?
>
>It was suggested to me last night that the Republican
>standard bearers in '96 should be Quayle and Melmon.
>Wouldn't *that* be a team!
>
>Arne

Whacko!

I'm rather fond of the more serious Kemp & Fitzpatrick,
but that's kind of whacko too.



thanks for the sarcasm,
there are too few humourists in this world,
Laura

-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    *more than* four times.

    (this news courtesy Phil Paxton ipwp400@indycms.bitnet)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Take a look at article in alt.politics.clinton
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: not very organized
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:43:56 GMT

For entertainment, take a look at an article in alt.politics.clinton
with the subject: Homosexuals in the military (with a message id
of matrix.720260216@sol).

Would have reposted it here but it doesn't belong in motss.  Therefore
just a reference for interested parties.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lje@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (lisa.j.elser)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:25:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.002439.1209@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>  Well, maybe this cuts to the heart of the issue. Should the school
>be making value judgements as to what is likely to be marketable?
>I mean, if I'm giving a school a pile o' dough, I would sort of
>expect them to make some effort at giving me a marketable skill.
>  In acting, for males, the market is likely to be for your run of 
>the mill straight 2.5 child het (being ultra to die for doesn't
>hurt either :-). This is not discrimination, per se, it is the 
>reality of the situation. Hollywood is brutal; if you don't fit
>their mold, you are not likely to get work. Period.
>  You can howl about the injustice of this all you like, but
>Hollywood is just a mirror on the rest of our culture. The reality
>is that a one-armed, or overweight, or effeminate male is going
>to have problems. To the extent that he can overcome these
>impediments is the to the better likelyhood he will succeed.


Can we also apply this logic to other programs?  For instance, an
MBA with a nelly appearance is very likely to have problems finding work.
Is it therefore Wharton's obligation to oust gay MBA students after
a year or so of taking their money because they are not "marketable?"

I doubt Larry Kramer's plays havemuch Hollywood appeal, but does that
mean he should be evicted from a theatre program?

Some actors have clear personal mannerisms that become part of their
careers (Harvey Firestein) while others have the ability and desire
to project various personalities depending on the role at hand.
CMU evicts both kinds of students for their off-stage manner.

Lisa Elser
UNIX System Labs
Summit, NJ
lje@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.bbs.lists,soc.bi
From: glenns@tronsbox.xei.com (Glenn S.)
Subject: Re: The Gay & Lesbian BBS List -- November 1992
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:14:23 GMT

In article <1df2trINNg8c@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>Calling OZ says that the phone number has be disconnected.
>
>(I've sent email to the author)

Hey there, sweetie!  <<HUG>>
 
Just for reference, the following boards have closed down this year:
 
OZ (He couldn't afford running it anymore... damnfool probably had "real" phone
    lines instead of "teen" or "auxillary" lines...)

City of Night (Again, couldn't afford to run it, due to unemployment.)
 
New boards that are now up:  (Actually, new board)
 
The Other Side of Town (Clifton)
      (201)773-6603
      (Semi-pay service.  Runs Falken 6.3, three lines.  The board is very
       new, so don't expect lots of posts in the message area.  This board
       is basically a 'meat rack'....)
 
Talk to you later, luv!  Hugs & kisses!
 
B*B
Glenn
(ex-Lambda Zoner....)

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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:32:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.184336.28940@watson.ibm.com>, baskin@watson.ibm.com
wrote:

> >You guys cease to amaze me ...
> >
> >No one here knows a fucking thing about what Marky Mark thinks  
> >of GLB issues.  We're just content looking at his ripped  

Somebody is projecting...

Moving on:
 
> Actually, Marky Mark has made tons of pro-gay statements.  He also
> sings about safe-sex, and has the audience chant the word "safe-sex"
> with him.  He also is on the "Red Hot and Dance" video, which was a 
> big AIDS fundraiser.

And I do believe he was present at that *other* celebrity's AIDS
bash in Los Angeles, fashions courtesy Gaultier (sp? Damn.  Where's
my Vogue...  Tangent: Joan Rivers and this gossip-monger were
talking about Marky and Madonna - apparently the Blond Wonder 
wants to add him to her stable (like she probably hasn't already),
but is in competition with Shannon Doherty (Luke Perry's co-star).
Competition <snort>  Yeah, right...)
 
> Check out some interviews with him.  You couldn't ask for a better (or
> better-looking) role model.

Actually, he's got kind of an ugly mug (he's no Jason Priestley - not
that I know Jason Priestley...).  But he [Marky] *does* have a 
wonderful bod...  Of course, why else would he be in a Calvin
add? (though Calvin always struck me as a damn pedophile...  Do
you remember that Eternity add, with the little boy with pouted
lips asleep on some model's chest?  Father/Son?  Yeah, right...) 

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Individualism & the Common Weal
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:17:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.195018.13629@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com
(Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>  Good will. The opposite choice (which is force) is illegitimate,
>and does not work.

I've asked this before, but I will try again: since owning property is
based on the use of force, why is force an illegitimate when it taxes
property?  Stated in another way, without the government, you have no
property except what you can defend with your own private force.
Given that you would rather live where you are than in Bosnia, why is
it looting when the government takes your property in taxes?  It is
the government which defined that property as yours in the first place.
"My property" is a *legal* definition, and without government, there
are no laws and hence no legal properties.

What I am saying in various was is, Render unto Caesar that which is
Caesar's.  Or at least find an argument that it isn't Caesar's.

>I don't mean to sound heartless here, but systematically looting from
>the haves to the havenots does nothing more than give disincentive to
>the haves to produce more. The net effect of this is to reduce
>everybody to the same level of poverty.

Dear old Karl Marx would say that you only think this because your
ownership of property makes you do so.  But I figure you are capable
of figuring out that this is nonsense.  To start with, taxes are not
looting.  Moreover, it is not true that more taxes must lead to less
prosperity. In Germany, taxes are higher than in the US, and things
in many ways are in better shape.

So if you don't really think all taxes are bad and all government is
bad (which is what your rhetoric appears to be saying) maybe you could
try communicating with us in actual thoughts rather than idiotic
slogans, and tell us what you do think.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Cesspool
Date: 5 Nov 1992 06:18:57 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

Another suggestion to Coloradon'tans.  My best friend lives in Denver 
and in his shopping has adopted the following tactic: he evinces 
interest in an article, etc.  When asked if he wishes to buy it he 
answers in the affirmative but explains that he no longer purchases in
Colorado because of its legalized bigotry, but will buy the article 
through a catalog.  Unfortunately this will not work with food, gasoline 
and other expendables but it still gets the point across.

Colburn Eigen                              H|u> = E|u>
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: German chaos continues
Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:31:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  Austria is no better.  Polls last year there
about minorities showed a large minority wanted the remaining (very few by
the way) Jews and several other minorities out.

Howard

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Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Say goodnight, George.
his@east.sun.com			|
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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Hate Gene (was Re: Social Democracy)
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:43:38 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Nov1.131211.20448@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) writes:
|>And you can also be sure that eugenics is anything but gone.

|>I often wonder if efficiency is nothing more than the
|>rationalization of time, and ultimately an extension of
|>property.  And I wonder, too, whether libertarianism (which
|>clearly *is* an extension of property) is so popular among
|>computer-oriented people (is it really, I wonder?) because
|>of some weird deification of the idea of efficency.

It strikes me that extreme parties in three corners of the political
grid (libertarians, fascists, and communists) all make appeals to
"efficiency".  Communists and fascists hold that efficiency comes from
central control. Libertarians hold that private enterprise is a more
efficient way of getting things done than governments. 

Myself, I hold that efficient government is the last thing we want.  Can
you imagine the mess if every fiddling obsolete law and crazed
regulation were enforced to the letter?  In the words of Will Rogers,
"It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for".

Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
"I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to
say it"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ttoon@saxon.ling.lsa.umich.edu (Thomas Toon)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:15:09 GMT

Stuff deleted
> Kinda makes you wonder if there shouldn't be a kids' group
> to complement P-FLAG.
> -- 
> Daniel Gilly                                   dgilly@us.oracle.com 
>                                                Oracle Corporation
> ------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for your comments.  When I finally decided to post, my audience was the  
good folk of motss whose humnanity and good will have meant a lot to me, and  
not the apparently stereotype-ridden original poster.  It was simply time to  
pay my dues as a member of this news group.
	Coming out has been an almost exclusively positive experience for me.   
As you say, I steeled myself up for each new step only to find love, acceptance  
and understanding.  This is especially true of my kids.
	One thing I have thoguht to wonder:  Does all this acceptance we find  
mean that people are open to homosexuals in general, or is it a much more  
personally based acceptance of us as individuals?  The facts of my sexuality  
seem to make almost no difference to my friends and colleagues, but the general  
issue of sexuality might still be problematic.
	The main point is that my being homosexual was only the major issue in  
my life as long as I was hiding it.  Now it's merely one fact about me.  Thanks  
again to all of you for your help.
--
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