Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 01:25:40 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 5
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                               two things
                           Women and science
                         "History...too strayt"
                              Kelly Lange
                   Meeting Other Netters at the Quilt
                      QUILT--A Musical Celebration
         Awareness & enforcement of non-discrimination clauses
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 5
                         Those Darn 800 Numbers
                                tidbits
                        800 numbers and privacy
                   Religious Community Rally in L.A.
                           Almodovar's films!
                         More positive films...
                      Gay men approaching lavender
                           Am I Going Crazy?

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 09:16:27 EST
From: LAT <tate@siam.org>
Subject: two things

          Hi...two things.  First, Ron Buckmire mentioned a manifesto
          printed (where?) during NY Pride Week, WHY I HATE GAY MEN. I
          don't know about others but I would be interested in reading
          it.  Can it be posted, or does Ron (or anyone) know where I
          could get a copy...thanks.

          Also, for Shelly looking into cyberpunk/gender/sci fi stuff:
          have you ever read LOVE & ROCKETS, the coolest comic book
          in the entire world?  Their early issues (currently being
          reprinted) have a lot of sci fi themes, and all the main
          characters are women.  In fact, the two protagonists are
          lovers.

          Lori



          "I am for a life around the corner...that takes you by
          surprise."---Roxy Music, "Manifesto"

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Date:         Thu, 08 Oct 92 09:03:43 EDT
From: Sarah Richardson <SRICH@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Women and science

Since there has been some discussion of gender issues and science,
I'm forwarding a message from FEMAIL.  Please note, nothing
in the message says that the new list is for women only.

 ------- Forwarded Message -------
 FIST@hamp.hampshire.edu
 Feminism in/and Science and Technology, the e-mail list.

 Because of the recent interest generated, a new list has been created.
 This list is for discussion of feminism and science and technology.
 This will be an unmoderated list.  If you are a scientist and a feminist
 this list is for you.  If you are a feminist, and interested in science and
 technology, check it out.  The idea of this list is to discuss critiques of
 science and move beyond these critiques into the realm of how do we
 create a feminist science?  What do we need to pay attention to?
 How does one do this and get tenure?  How do we teach science?

 To get on this list, send a message to
 FIST-request@hamp.hampshire.edu.
 Send all adminstrivia there too (getting off the list, changing
 addresses, etc.)

 *** Please include a paragraph introducing yourself and what you do. ***

 Please be patient with the list subscription requests (I need to
 teach and do research, too, besides answering email!)

 To send a message to the whole list, send to
 FIST@hamp.hampshire.edu

 Michelle Murrain, School of Natural Science
 Hampshire College Amherst, MA 01002
 Voice:(413) 549-4600 x688

 email: mmurrain@hamp.hampshire.edu
 co-editor, Feminists in Science and Technology

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Date: 08 Oct 1992 08:54:28 -0500 (EST)
From: SHELTON@Butler.EDU
Subject: "History...too strayt"
Mime-Version: 1.0

Can whoever posted the list of activities happening at UVA (I think), or
whoever it was who is, please send along a copy of "History Has Set The
Record A Little Too Straight"?  We at Butler Univ. in Indianapolis are
trying to keep a constant postering campaign going with something new up
every two weeks or so.  This sounds like it fits the bill.

Actually, anyone out there who has something interesting might send it
on through.  And not just posters, but ideas of how to get our lesbigay
group off the ground.  We're on a very conservative mid-western campus.

Please eight post your things on the net, e-mail me directly, or drop
it in the mail.

Thanks!

Justin Shelton
715 Clarendon Place
Indianapolis, IN 46208-3318

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Date: 8 Oct 92 07:22:50 U
From: "CJones" <cjones@wylbur.physci.ucla.edu>
Subject: Kelly Lange

 Subject:  Kelly Lange
 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Anyone who's lived in LA in the last, oh, 20 years, probably knows who Kelly
Lange is.  She's the sniveling, whining news anchor on KNBC Channel 4.  Lately
she's been sporting a red-ribbon pin on her collar or lapel.

What a shock!* This is the same person whose face would contort and turn all
kinds of neat geometric shapes when she had to read a story on gay issues.  I
guess times are a-changing.




 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Chad Jones
Department Computer Geek
UCLA Department of Physiological Science
cjones@physci.ucla.edu
(310) 825-6528
*($16,000 and all they wanted to do was dip in plaster!)

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:49:51 EDT
Subject: Meeting Other Netters at the Quilt

Howdy!
     WHAT IF... those GayNetters visiting or working at the Quilt, and their
significant others, friends and family ("however you define family" --Barbara
Bush), were to meet up at some particular location sometime before the
candlelight march and march together?
     Wouldn't that be *too awesome*?
     If you're interested, PLEASE contact me before 4:00 p.m. Friday and I'll
try to make arrangements.  My e-address is: mwh8h@virginia.edu
     And, yes, I'm still trying to get that dadgum list of out queers
downloaded and on its way to y'all.

*hughughug*,
MarkMarkMark

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:01 EDT
From: David Robinson <DROBINSON@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>
Subject: QUILT--A Musical Celebration

Those who will be in Washington, D.C. for the Quilt this weekend may
be interested in seeing "Quilt--A Musical Celebration," a new musical
inspired by the NAMES Project AIDS Memorial Quilt.  It is playing now
through October 11 at 8:00 p.m. (plus, I think, a matinee or two) in the Baird
Auditorium of the Natural History Museum (on the Mall, near where the
Quilt will be displayed), and from October 15-17 at Tawes Theatre on
the University of Maryland-College Park campus in suburban Maryland.
Tickets are $12.00.  For information call 301-405-2201 (voice and TDD)
weekdays from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m.

I saw it last night.  It was pretty good.

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Date:         Thu, 08 Oct 92 11:11:46 EDT
From: "Gary Klein (bear at heart)" <FAC2813%UOFT01.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Awareness & enforcement of non-discrimination clauses

     While I am gratified to read that the Cornell campus & Ithaca community
stood up against the cafeteria manager's homophobic actions, I also feel that
someone may have been jumping the gun.

     Maybe some aspect of the events were glossed over, but Scott Chesney did
not specify if he brought the situation to anyone's attention BEFORE writing
letters to the campus & city newspapers.

     IN GENERAL, it is considered "good etiquette" and "proper form" to try
bringing a problem to an immediate supervisor of the problem employee, before
blasting the story all over town.  Granted, that the results will be less
known by the public-at-large, but also, on the other hand, there is less of
a chance that some other phobic or unstable individual would attempt a
retaliation, after the discriminatory situation is brought into a spotlight.

     Imagine how YOU WOULD FEEL if someone didn't like the way you helped them
with respect to a study group you participated in.  But rather than discuss it
directly with you, they NAMED YOU in an article published in both the campus
paper & in the local city newspaper, total circulation of over 25,000 copies!

     If Doug was threatening violence to Scott & Jon, then they certainly
should have filed an official complain with the City or Campus police.  But
going DIRECTLY to the media over a matter that could have been brought
directly to a superior is going to raise negative feelings of a secondary
nature.  It may also raise concern over "fear & loathing", but do little to
raise understanding by the administrator/boss who was bypassed in the
complaint processing chain of command.

     PERSONALLY as someone who used to write letters to the Presidents of
corporations, I would much rather prefer being respected for writing good
letters, than to be known for stepping on the egos of hundreds of middle-level
administrators.  You can effectuate change through both methods, but one method
will also produce more enemies.  And lord knows, that no one desires more
enemies.  Unless you want to enlist in the Phylis & John Schlafly Fan Club!

"Librarian, Leather Bound"
      * * * *          Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  Univ of Toledo
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:06:58 EDT
From: flg <flg@lan.asc.upenn.edu>
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 5

          on George Bush and Red Ribbons: Today's New York Times ran a
          front page photo of G.H.W. Butch walking with Scowcroft and
          Baker, and noted he was wearing a red ribbon given him by
          Mary Fisher. The caption went on to say that he was on his
          way to texas and that he didn't wear the ribbon in Texas.
          The caption (and its front page placement) can only be seen
          as a (subtle?) editorial dig at Bushie.
          Larry Gross

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Subject: Re: Those Darn 800 Numbers
From: Brian Bergquist <bbergquist@claven.idbsu.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:31:56 -0700

>
>Now, about the 1-800 phone numbers -- not all of the 1-800 phone numbers
>have the telephone interactive system which allows the telemarketing firm
>to know what your name and address is. Concerned Women of America does
>not have that service. When you call that number, the only information
>they get is what /you/ give them. So if you don't want them to have
>your  phone number or address, don't tell them what it is. Now, they
>will ask for a zip code when you call, but the operator needs that
>information to get to a screen they need to take the call BUT you can
>give them any five digits you want to and it will register -- and
>yes, 12345 does work (it really is a zip code). Now for the telemarketing
>firms that have the telephone interactive system, it only pulls up
>your address and phone /if/ you are listed in the phone book /and/ if you
>are just calling for information, rather than placing an order, most firms
>to do not keep a log of those calls -- so your address/phone would
>still be safe.
>
>Sorry, not trying to flame anyone  ... so please, no flames to me.
>
>Heidi


Hi all!
Perhaps I missed something, but if the idea is to tie up and waste the financial
resources of the Concerned Women of America, don`t we WANT to be on their
mailing list? So they can call us (spending their money again), send us lots of
pricey junk mail (printing, handling, etc.), and, at the same time inform us of
their ugly ideas and plans?
I always think it`s very healthy to hear the garbage that the haters are
shoveling out - sometimes we sink into the mind set that much of the world is
accepting and educated (Or Gaynet-like) and it ain`t necessarily so! I say let
`em send us their propoganda. I`d rather know what they`re doing than be
surprised. (And if they share their list with other fundies, so much the
better!)

Keep up the attack! It`s our electrons against theirs!

(And, as someone from the Intermountain West, and the Mountain time zone, I
would hope we could end this chrono-ism discussion before it has consumed our
time..)    :-)

Njoy!

Brian








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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:08:57 -0700
From: lewisgtu@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lewis Day)

Just a couple of notes.

1)	Write to L.L. Bean and let them know how you feel about
candidate Linda Bean's attitudes about our civil rights (she's
right up there with Pat Buchanan), and how you feel about
your L.L. Bean purchases enriching her candidacy of hate.
I wrote and asked them to remove my name from their
mailing list.  I received a reply from Leo Gorman, L.L. Bean
President, claiming no corporate political agenda.  Nonetheless,
I can't, in good conscience, make purchases while my money
could go for hate-mongering.  Write to:
	Leo Gorman
	L.L. Bean
	Freeport, ME 04033

2)	Congregation Sha'ar Zahav is at 220 Danvers St. (at Caselli),
	San Francisco, CA 94114 (in the Castro District).
	Also, Dancing on Tisha B'Av is a fine collection!

As a newcomer to GayNet I really enjoy the playfulness (coupled
with appropriate seriousness) of the Net.  Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:47:05 -0600 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: tidbits
Mime-Version: 1.0

1.	Scott Chesney handled the incident in the Cornell cafeteria just
right, I thought.  Challenged the offender on the spot and followed up,
both with unwanted publicity and proper channel-following.  Poor Doug; let
him have his face-saving nonapology.  He knows lack of training had
nothing to do with it.

2.	Bush wore the red ribbon!?  Ugh.  Talk about instant devaluation
of a symbol...  I guess technically it's OK.  He IS aware of AIDS.  Just
doesn't give a, er, durn about it.

3.	I will call the Oregon governor's office and will encourage all my
friends in Seattle to do so as well.  We are quite concerned about Prop. 9
as you might well imagine, as should any Americans be, but we're mighty
close to the scene of the crime and are next on the OCA hit list.  I heard
about a friend-of-a-friend (lesbian) who has actually infiltrated her local
OCA group (or whatever they're calling themselves in WA) to keep up with
local strategy as it develops.  Brave lady.  Also lady of strong stomach,
I should think.

4.	I won't call the Concerned Women, though.  I think clogging up
lines and causing expense isn't quite fighting the good fight.  It
certainly isn't when directed against us.  I can't buy the "they do it,
why shouldn't we?" argument.

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From: tjboesch@Athena.MIT.EDU
Subject: 800 numbers and privacy
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 18:08:11 EDT

Although AT&T and all the other carriers carry the originating phone
number information on their lines, many if not all states currently
forbid the use of this information by anyone but operators (Massachusetts
is one of these states.)  In addition, I believe it may be possible to
remove this information by calling through a calling card account via
800 access number.  Ask your local phone carrier if they forward the
information if you are concenred.

Best of luck.

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Date:    Thu, 08 Oct 92 15:49 PDT
From: ecl1dmj                              <ECL1DMJ@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Religious Community Rally in L.A.

Hello Netters!
Just wanted to inform anyone who might be in the Los Angeles area
this weekend, there will be a rally at the Hollywood Bowl on Sunday,
October 11, 1992 at 3:00pm. All of the various gay-affirmative
religious organizations will be there to show unity and support
for lesbigay liberation. There will be representatives from the
Jewish community, MCC, Unity Fellowship, Buddhists, Atheists, and
others. There will be various speakers as well as singing and
fellowshipping. Hope y'all can come!
P.S. Anyone know of a lesbian or gay drummer and/or bass guitar
player in the L.A. area? If so, please let me know. I'm looking
for musicians to play with a progressive lesbigay gospel choir
on Sunday mornings. Call: Darren (213) 298-5267 anyday 10am-7pm pst.

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:08 EST
From: Dan <BENN8022@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: Re: Almodovar's films!
X-Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

Greetings all!
  James Harkins inquired about Almodovar's films and the gorgeous man in
"Tie me up, Tie me down!"  His name is Antonio Banderas.  He wa recently in
People magazine's issue with the 50 most beautiful people.  He briefly
appeared in Madonna's "Truth or Dare".  She referred to him as the sexiest
man alive.  (I agree!)  His been quite poular in Spain for 5 or 6 years now.
I first became aware of him in 1987 while in Bracelona.
  He has done 3 films with Almodovar that I know of.  He starred in "Tie
me up, Tie me down", he appeared in "Women on the Verge..." and best of
all he played a Gay character in "La ley del deseo"  or "The Law Of Desire"!
He falls in love with a Gay film director and the film chronicles their
stormy relationship and his (Banderas' character's) obsessivness.  It's a
great film and the love scenes are tasteful and romantic!

***Dan Bennett***
SUNY Plattsburgh
Plattsburgh, NY 12901

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:12 EST
From: Dan <BENN8022@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: Re:  More positive films...
X-Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

Someone is apparently looking for Gay positive films...
someone recently suggested "Torchsong Trilogy"
How about "Maurice"?  It was adopted from an EM Forster manuscript.
Merchant & Ivory (are they Gay?) produced.  It's a wonderful film
Like Buttah!



***Dan Bennett
SUNY Plattsburgh
Plattsburgh, NY
12901

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Date:         Thu, 08 Oct 92 18:29:58 MST
From: "Gabriel (in New Mexico)" <G9348712@NMSUVM1.NMSU.EDU>
Subject:      Gay men approaching lavender

Paul Goodman (1911-1972) was a philosopher, playwright, poet, and educator.
He was married and had two children (I believe), one of whom died during
college.  But the homosexual part of his nature asserted itself more and
more as his life went on, and I think that this is what is he is alluding
to in this poem  (from _Collected Poems_, Vintage Books, 1977, p.298):

       I planned to have a border of lavender
       but planted the bank too of lavender
       and now the whole crazy garden
         is grown in lavender

       that smells so sharp and heady
       of lavender, and the hue of only
       lavender is all in my garden up
         into the gray rocks.

       When forth I go from here the lust
       I squander -- and in vain for I am stupid
       and miss the moment -- it has blest me silly
         when forth I go

       and when, sitting gray as these gray rocks
       among the lavender, I breathe the lavender's
       tireless squandering, I liken it
          to my silly lusting.

       I liken my careless indefatigable
       lusting to the lavender which has grown over
       all my garden, banks and borders, up
          into the gray rocks.


(Goodman wrote quite a few fine gay poems, and I don't have the time right
now to put them all in, but I may try putting a few into the computer soon.)

Gabriel (in New Mexico)

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 23:48:36 EDT
From: Marc V Conte <mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Am I Going Crazy?

	Les Wexner, owner of The Limited and outed by Larry Kramer at Vito
Russo's funeral, last month announced his engagement to a female lawyer from
New York.  The TV news anchors announced this with a smirk but never
questioned it.

	Tomorrow night, Les hosts a cocktail fundraiser for George Bush.
Les, who is known for donating money AIDS organizations, is raising money for
Bush, who--well, you know his AIDS record.

	What's wrong with this picture?


	Marc

  Marc Conte at The OSU---SCARLET AND GrAY
       mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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