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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Up-State "SNOW"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 09:35:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan08.143904.5416@watson.ibm.com> sck@watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy) writes:
>When I moved down to White Plains from Rochester, I was surprised to see the 
>complete lack of heavy snow plows and the sheer panic that hits when the
>roads are "dusted". In Rochester, it would snow 5-7 inches and the roads 
>were dry and clear within an hour and I would have to go to school. 

I grew up in Orchard Park (the beginning of the "snow belt" south west of
Buffalo) and worked in Rochester for 4 years. Let me tell you, there is 
another quantum level here. In O.P. they'd have us going to school an hour
after even a foot of snow. But anything over your 5-7 inches in Rochester
seemed to really slow down the plows. And I was shocked every time I saw
a Rochester plow drive straight through a major intersection, pushing large
piles into the opposing traffic! No strategic turns to keep the snow off
the road. Also no real tandems, where the next plow would pick up the
"plow trails" in just a couple of minutes. Nope, you'd have to wait till
the plow made another round!  Ah, the good old days! Snow in winter!
At least we're getting some real rain this year!

Ah, memories! The sound of jingling plows on the road at 5 or 6 am in 
Orchard Park gently waking you up to the possibility of a snow day. You 
quickly turn on Neavareth in the morning on 'KB' radio, then jump back
under the covers and listen to the school closings. In the Blizzard of '77
they couldn't get plows through our road for a week! (Rt. 277 near 
Chestnut Ridge Park, a major 4-lane road). They had to bring in a giant snow
blower-type truck to carve up the 30 ft. drifts. 

>
>And the drivers have no clue about snow conditions driving.

You should see the drivers in California when it rains (or even cloudy)!


-- 
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: hf10@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (FieryPhoenix)
Subject: Troy --> Albany?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:09:17 GMT

I was wondering...

How long does it take to commute from Troy <---> Albany?

-FP

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From: sdittman@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Scott Dittman)
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:58:51 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Shot in central and western North Carolina, south and east of Ashville.

Scott of Canton NY --

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From: mcmahon@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael G. McMahon)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Up-State "SNOW"
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:37:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

Oh yes - the "let's bitch about how Southerners can't deal with snow"
thread!  At least they HAVE rock salt in Alabama.  I'm not sure Houston
has ANY provisions for snow.  Luckily it hasn't frozen while I've been
in town.  The signs on EVERY overpass warning about the road freezing
are cute, though.
   Other transplants have warned me that no matter HOW good your driving
skills are, STAY OFF THE ROADS IF IT FREEZES!!!!!!!!!  I think all of US
know how useless a mini-pickup with front 2 wheel drive is on snow and
ice.  People that don't know better are dangerous - no matter how well
you drive.
    Peace,  -mike

-- 
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  the fashionable non-conformist.   -ayn rand
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Saturday, 9 Jan 1993 03:34:55 MST
From: <KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Up-State is Up-State, and yes this group is needed!
Distribution: na


I grew up in 'upstate' New York (Kingston) although its not as 'upstate'
as Buffalo..and I enjoy reading these articles also. I recently moved
from NYS to Arizona and I thought it was wild reading about Poughkeepsie,
Kingston and Woodstock..

I probably wont be going back to NY, at least not in the near future
and this group helps me keep in touch...I'll never forget the snow
in Kingston or the record amounts I saw when attending college
in Utica, but I dont miss it all that much either..


Keep the group going....it may just be the only link some of us have
to our hometowns!
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From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:41:56 GMT

kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman) writes:
>Has anyone got any recommendations for decent wines from the Finger Lakes
>region? Growing up in Rochester, it seems that the only wines from the area
>were *deathly* sweet (eg. Lake Niagra, cheap blush wines, etc.). I know there
>have been many small wineries opening in the region over the past few years
>and I'd appreciate any info/suggestions.   

Personally I think the Bully Hill red varieties are the best to come
from NY.
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Wings and things...
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C0I0Ht.6Kw@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v120qldp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes...
>In article <C0Gp8C.CGz@acsu.buffalo.edu>, psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes... 
>>	I like Sal's once in a while. He has a little hole in the wall 
>>bar not too far from dancing Luke's place. About the middle of 
>>Olmstead ave. in Depew.
> 
>Oh sure, I used to go to Sal's a lot.  Sal suddenly turned into a real jerk
>when about 25 friends of mine all went over there for wings.  He got upset
>because we were taking up too much space and kicked us out.  Great business
>sense.

	It is on a par with his sense of humor. :)
	I had the honor of being shown the door quite a few times.	
	Did you go there with the BBS wing dingers?

> 
>I still think DiPaolo's are better - mostly because they have more meat on
>them.  I don't really like hot wings, just meaty.

	Well, what thee heck... I'll have to check 'em out then.

> 
>>	Luke must be about 100 by now. He looked 80 twenty years ago.
> 
>Probably.  I wonder why they don't (or can't) lock him up in a bin.  

	He's harmless... and they probably can't catch him... he's a 
sprightly ole elf....

=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Troy --> Albany?
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:23:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

In article <hf10.726811757@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>,
hf10@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (FieryPhoenix) wrote:
> 
> I was wondering...
> 
> How long does it take to commute from Troy <---> Albany?

Depends on your driving style and the amount of traffic on I-787.  Usually
only takes around 7-10 minutes.  Quite a short hop.  Wouldn't really call
it a "commute."

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From: monitn@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto)
Subject: Re: Best wings in the Capdist
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:27:03 GMT

For those of you still in the Capital District area who want to debate this 
further, the 4th (5th? something like that) annual Q-104 WingDing for Easter
Seals is coming soon. I only heard the end of a piece on the radio today, so
I couldn't get the time and place. As soon as I do, I'll post them here. It
probably won't settle the argument, but it's a good chance to do some active
research... :)

Nick
monitn@rpi.edu

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From: jimi@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Jim Mack)
Subject: Re: Up-State "SNOW"
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:33:55 GMT

You should see these Alabama "Hee-Haws" try and even consider snow.  Last time
the weather man said a possibility of snow (and every other time as I under-
stand it) all the Him-Haws go out and buy up all the bread, and velveta, and
chicken soup and corn bread mix they can get their hands on.  This is for
a possibility of a dusting.  For other northern implants like myself, this
is quite humorous, until the snow hits and the roads get....well a little
slick.....and they all come out and crash!!!!!!  The moral of this story
is keep your winter driving skills in tact, and don't move where a pickup
truck and a guy with a 50 lb bag 0' salt maintain a city of 200,000....
From: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:45:21 GMT
Reply-To: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <C0EKI3.HKJ@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook) writes:
>The references to the House of Guitars really jogged my memory.  Do you
>remember Mr. Tomato?  What was Armand's (the proprietor and cult
>recording artist) last name?

His name is Armand Shoebrook Steels (sp?) if memory serves me correctly.I did
get to see this cult figure at Christmas time when I visited the store, he
still takes a very active hand in running the place and he still looks just as
wild.
 

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From: yaros@sab57.larc.nasa.gov (Steve Yaros)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:19:18 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sab57.larc.nasa.gov

When my wife and I visited the Biltmore Mansion in Asheville in September, the
guides were boasting that a great deal of the picture was filmed right on the 
extensive property of the mansion itself.
From: markr@eye.com (Mark Reichert)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: The Good Rats (was Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:26:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY


> I don't have an answer for you but all this talk about the HOG and
> bands jogged my memory of the Good Rats.  I used to see them when I
> could during my college days in Ro-cha-cha.  They were real popular
> at the time - got a lot of airplay on WCMF - anybody know what
> happened to those guys?

They play at the Penny Arcade every Thanksgiving. I don't know how
many of the original members are still with Peppy. A friend of mine
caught them a few years ago and said that they were playing some Ozzy. :^(

'Tasty' is one of my all-time favorite albums. As it happens, it's at
home on my turntable right now.

Man, what a band they were...


Mark Reichert
markr@eye.com
From: imes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Williamsville!
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:56:56 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <1993Jan6.052857.10438@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>lingling@abraxas.adelphi.edu (Lisa Nyman) writes:
>
>: Funny, those of us who lived west of Hopkins thought we were the wrong
>: side of the tracks, while those uppity 'East Amherst' people had all the
>: pools and tennis courts :-)).  

Hey now, let's lay off us "uppity East Amherst" people now... :)
At least I didn't live in Clarence.  Now there's a town totally out of sync 
with the rest of the Buffalo attitude...in fact, it reminds me alot of my new
home here in the Columbus metro-area.  Down-home like.

REAL down-home like.

BTW, I always thought L.I. was prounounced Lawn Guyland.  Of course those silly
L.I.'ers will never understand the way we "tawk".  Oh well, such is life.

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From: v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Wings and things...
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan8.161729.1374@calspan.com>, crovella@calspan.com (Mark E. Crovella) writes...
>In article <C0GnqB.Bs0@acsu.buffalo.edu> v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes:
> 
>	Duff's (Millersport & Sheridan) makes em good & hot.	

I've never gone there though I've heard a lot about it.
	
>	I always wondered about him, glad I at least know his name.  How long
>would you say he's been there?  I've seen him there for at least 7 years.

He's been there as long as I remember, which is 15 years.

>Regarding the Transit & Genesee project -- the Genesee bridge being taken down
>is really decrepit;  now that the road travels past it, you can see it from
>below, and I'm scared to have been on it.  I think that maybe somebody decided
>that it either had to be replaced or removed, and the tracks are used so rarely
>that removal was most cost effective.     

Or...Maybe I should stop trying to place *logic* into this.  =)

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From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-ba
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:56:11 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <4833@moscom.com> de@moscom.com (David Esan) writes:
>In article <sZ8PwB4w165w@netlink.cts.com> rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe) writes:
>%selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin) writes:
>%
>%     Actually I wrote something over 30 lines that discussed the 
>%definition of Upstate, Downstate, Northern N.Y. and the Southern and 
>%Northern Tiers.  I also discussed where I was from and various N.Y. beers 
...

Actually, I want to know why no-one's mentioned *Western NY*...  I don't 
actually consider Buffalo (Cheektowaga, etc...) upstate at all. Hey, someone
had to mention this, eh?

Well, I consider Bflo to be Ontario's annex! ... ok, not really.


Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
  "To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion" - Unknown
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan5.202753.8772@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes...
>donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes (about Cheektowaga):
> 
>: I don't know, I always thought it meant something like "Where the Pink
>: Flamingo Roosts".  Seems like every lawn there has a pink flamingo on
>: it...
> 
>Either a pink flamingo, or a statue of the Blessed Virgin, often placed inside  
>an upright old-fashioned claw-footed bathtub.  This is often called "Mary on  
>the Half Shell".
> 
>Other commonly seen ornaments in Cheektowaga include wooden fat ladies bending  
>over tending a garden, blue and purple orbs on pedistals, plastic deer and duck  
>families, gnomes, and in South Cheektowaga, urinating little boy fountains.  

	And an extreme number of red doors....


=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:32:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.070715.19711@news.eng.convex.com> ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
>
>This film was set in New York State, was it actually filmed there?
>It is obvious that the forts appearing or referred to in the movie
>were close to Albany, but where exactly?  Is that where the movie
>was filmed, or did they film somewhere else?

It was filmed in North Carolina.  I have lived in both places, and North
Carolina, for all its charms, does not look a lot like upstate NY.  I found
the obvious floral differences a bit distracting.  But, could they have
found enough open space to make this movie in upstate NY?  I think they could
have; there were probably many other overriding considerations.

--Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)
From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] FANTASY or REALITY")
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:34:49 GMT
	<2002c9k@rpi.edu>
Organization: Eaters of Wisdom
In-reply-to: kasprj@sage4a.its.rpi.edu's message of 7 Jan 93 21:23:59 GMT

In article <2002c9k@rpi.edu> kasprj@sage4a.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:

>   We were also going to build a new island off of 
>   Staten Island with all the NYC landfill. 

It's been done.  It's called `Staten Island'.

    I thought you were the one who told me that Staten Island is four
times bigger now than it was in the 17th Century?
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:31:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.050244.24592@ee.rochester.edu> jerry@ee.rochester.edu
(Jerry Seward) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.021732.26200@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) 
>writes:
>>Let's take "Cheektowaga" for example.  White collar folks around Buffalo  
>>pronounce the home of the Walden Galleria Cheek-toe-waa-guh while blue
>>collar types say Chick-tuh-wah-guh.  I've even heard it pronounced Chick-a-
>>tuh-va-guh by some.  Cheektowaga is Iroquois for "crabapple tree", although
>>I heard it actually meant "bowling alley" :)
>
>I thought that Cheektowaga was Iroquois for "near the airport."

I don't know, I always thought it meant something like "Where the Pink
Flamingo Roosts".  Seems like every lawn there has a pink flamingo on
it...

    don

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From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: accents (was Re: Weather)
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:09:17 GMT

In article <MRW.93Jan9214134@mrg1.mrg1.la.asu.edu> mrw@mrg1.mrg1.la.asu.edu (Matthew Whitehead) writes:
>That guy in _Blue Highways_ thinks he has it bad ? I'm in Phoenix AZ and
>when I say I'm from outside Buffalo (Clarence in particular), people
>reply "Oohhh, where is your NY accent ?"  What a bunch of Southwest 
>yahooos.

I've always found the Buffalo accent quite distinctive from a NuYauka.
We have no trouble understanding it when the wife drags us down for
shopping.  $89.95 sounds just the same as it does at home.  :-)
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From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-ba
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:45:06 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <sZ8PwB4w165w@netlink.cts.com> rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe) writes:
%selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin) writes:
%
%     Actually I wrote something over 30 lines that discussed the 
%definition of Upstate, Downstate, Northern N.Y. and the Southern and 
%Northern Tiers.  I also discussed where I was from and various N.Y. beers 
%I've enjoyed (?).  About two lines mentioned that I consider NYC "evil", 
%which I do; but what I wrote was hardly a message "bashing" NYC.  I will 
%agree however that the purpose of this conference is to discuss Upstate 
%and Northern N.Y., so I will confine my comments to germain topics from 
%this point on.

Hell, I thought that NYC bashing is part of upstate culture.  

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From: lingling@abraxas.adelphi.edu (Lisa Nyman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Williamsville!
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:13:21 GMT
Organization: Adelphi University

dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:


>Contrary to popular belief, Williamsville does have its share of poor people.   
>Recently, however, they both had to move out when the Amherst Highway  
>Department realigned North Forest Road.  The former residents are currently on  

Funny, those of us who lived west of Hopkins thought we were the wrong
side of the tracks, while those uppity 'East Amherst' people had all the
pools and tennis courts :-)).  

And yes, widening North Forest was a sad event in Amherst history as it
saw the destruction of the Center House.  *sniff*
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From: hirvo001@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Weather
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:59:52 GMT

>I'm in Phoenix AZ and when I say I'm from outside Buffalo (Clarence in
>particular), people reply "Oohhh, where is your NY accent ?"  

I'm in Minneapolis, not a small or isolated little town at all and I still
get "Where's your accent?" when I tell people I'm from central NY.  And
I always do say central NY thinking that just one person would catch on
that we don't have the typical New Yok accent there.


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From: gsfm@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Seymour Morris)
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:00:19 GMT

In article <C0Etux.ACx@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
>
>	Would it be beneficial to form a new state separate from NYC?
>	
>
>=============================
>Robert Weiss
>psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

Look at it this way, what does Upstate NY (defn:everything in NY except NYC
and LI) gain by keeping NYC?  

They use upstate water, natural gas, LOTS of electrical power, and *LOTS*
of tax dollars!  What benefit does upstate NY gain from NYC? 


nothing.
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