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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: New Woof Conference
Keywords: n
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:21:46 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.141314.21789@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>Looks like my calling all conferences post needs to be taken more 
>>seriously.  We have reports on the radio that the University of 
>>Texas has agreed to join the Big 10, and the have been "confirmed
>>by the UT athletic dept."  

Now that we're on the subject on conference realignment,
I have a modest proposal.  It's for a new conference:
the WOOF CONFERENCE.  It is composed of teams that receive the
most woofing on Usenet.  Here is an initial list:

WEST DIVISION
-------------
USC
Cal
Stanford
Nebraska
Oklahoma

EAST DIVISION
-------------
Texas 
Texas A&M
Miami 
Notre Dame
North Carolina State

At the end of the year, we then have the WOOF CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
GAME (live on ESPN), which will be one humongous woof-a-thon.

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???
Keywords: n
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:39:33 GMT
Organization: Chevron

(CJohn Mace) writes:
>
>FREAC/CAR)) writes:
>>As I watch tonight's game (9/10) between San Diego St. and BYU, I
>>see that the BYU fans are calling their team the most hated in America.
>>Huh?? I can think of 10 or more teams that I hate more than BYU. Just
>>what is BYU thinking??? Anyone from BYU care to comment???
>
>come on and be a MANLY MAN...  Tell us who the 10 are...
>
>cmuck

Heck, I can think of 13 right off hand....
11 SECers, 1 with a bunch of Frenchmen, and 1 with a bunch of
Goobers....



....:)


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: marsden@sync.cs.fsu.edu (Jonathan Marsden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND vs FSU vs Michigan
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:45:39 GMT
Reply-To: marsden@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science

In article <BILLMS.92Sep11083217@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <10683@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> marsden@ioctl.cs.fsu.edu (Jonathan Marsden) writes:
>>
>>I often wonder why ND is afraid to play FSU on the road...  The same goes for
>>previous powerhouses like Michigan and Nebraska.  Tallahassee isn't
>>that bad of a place.  In any case, ND didn't agree to play the 'Noles in
>>Doak-Campbell Stadium.  Instead, they will be playing in Orlando.
>
>I'll ignore the Michigan slam, since its so stupid.  Look at the success rate
>in recent times.  Gotta try harder than that.

Ok, I'd agree that Michigan is still a powerful team, but they (along with
the rest of the Big-10) have lost something over that past five years
(recent times?).  There is a new group of powerhouses in college football
(e.g., FSU, Miami, Washington, Florida).  Because of Michigan's
playing style, they can't surprise any of these top teams in the BIG games.
Smashmouth football is passe.

>The reason FSU came to Michigan in recent times is that the games were
>scheduled 10-15 years back when FSU sucked and needed 
>	A) the cash
>	B) the exposure of playing a top school

FSU played for the national championship in the Orange Bowl in 1981 (11
years ago, hmmm).

>Take a look at recent (i.e. last 10 years) Miami games.  Neither of these two
>schools had any leverage 15 years ago.  Now, if the games were scheduled,
>things would be different. 

The agreement with ND happened less than 2 years ago.  I think FSU was
pretty good then...

Jonathan Marsden
(marsden@cs.fsu.edu)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Re: (another) coaching move rumor
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:50:19 GMT


>Let me start an Arkansas rumour. Barry Switzer. He was hanging around
>Fayetteville last year lots...did color commentary on the radio...it
>was memorable in that he would say "there's 6:21 let, now 6:20,
>6:19"... I'd give it half a thought in that I "think" he and Broyles
>are pals...
Well, Broyles did coach him and Fred Akers for that matter, who I think
is also free to coach.  Broyles, of course, has assigned Joe Hine to
complete the season and if Hine can do anywhere near the kind of work
with the offense that he's done with the Hogs defense, he'll be there to
stay.  Otherwise, I suppose Switzer will be rumored about until Broyles
either hires him or someone else for good.  Switzer claimed last night
that no one contacted him about the vacancy and that he didn't want a
coaching job.  We'll see.

If Hine doesn't pan out, I'd favor someone younger, perhaps someone of
color.  Broyles went out on a limb when he got Richardson to coach the
basketball team (unfortunately, hiring a talented black person is too
often construed as risky).  Perhaps Ron Dickerson's dad, who's an
assistant at Clemson, would be free.
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: BIG EAST Contest: Week 1 Scoring
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:08:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


WEEK 1 of the BIG EAST Pick'em Contest 

BC        37 - 20 Rutgers
Miami     24 -  7 Iowa
Syracuse  42 - 21 East Carolina
Pitt      51 - 10 Kent
Temple    35 -  0 Boston U
VTech     49 - 20 James Madison
WVU       29 - 29 Miami (Ohio)

The Key game obviously was the BC rout of Rutgers.
Not only was it the worth the most points (3) but
it also had the biggest difference of opinion as to
the outcome; 18 of 33 entries had the correct winner.
All bonafide 32 entries had Syracuse beating ECU, while only
2 entries had Iowa besting Miami.  (See "Homer" Simpson, below.)
Surprisingly, to me, 4 entries thought Temple would
lose to Boston University. Myself and a few other
entries think it's the only game they'll win; some
feel they'll also dump Akron.  We all lost a point
on the WVU/Miami(O) tie game.


(I'll rearrange the order of the list to highlight the leaders
after a few weeks.)

                                     Week
                   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15  Tot

Bob Dieckmann      5
Mark Mitchell      8         
Vince Juodvalkis   6
John Leinaweaver   8
Jason Gische       4
Parth Pandey       8
Kevin Rodgers      5
(billande@baily)   5
David Mathias      5
Timothy Pitts      5
Michael Nelson     8
Tony Fernandez     5
Mark Wyman         5
S R Choudhury      5
Bill Ledder        5
Mike Chernesky     8
Jeff Singleton     5
Dan Brown          7
Eric Arendts       7
Kevin Klinge       8
James Black        8
Mark Daly          8
Ed Kearns          7
Jeffrey Mejia      5
Harry Bloomberg    8
Mike King          5
Mark Brule         8
Chris Stassen      8
James Florance     8
David Sleight      8
Rob Chambers       5
Patrick Brown      5
"Homer*" Simpson   6

* Homer Simpson is a mythical entry that picks all home teams.



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rszczerb@chagall.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: ND-A&M (was Re: Schedule Strengths, Again)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:15:36 GMT

In article <9209092052.AA25802@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.185529.3836@ods.com>,
>scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>
>> I guess we'll just have to wait until A&M beats you guys in the Cotton
>> Bowl again...  You know, we *always* beat Notre Dame (1-0)...
>>
>> :^)
>
>Normally I have two standard reponses to this.
>
>  1)  If Notre Dame comes to the Cotton Bowl, that means that Notre Dame
>      has a weak team that year.
>
>and
>  2)  Texas A&M went on probation following that game after getting
>      caught cheating trying to beat Notre Dame.
>
>But since you put the smiley there, I won't use those two responses.
>:) :) :)
>
>All else aside, there is nothing I would want to see more than for
>an undefeated Notre Dame to face undefeated Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl
>this year.
>
>
>GO IRISH!!!  BEAT WOLVERINES!!!
>-Mike Noonan (Hmmm, Wolverines...is that a new snack cracker?)

Mike,

Actually, I'd rather see an undefeated Irish team
destroy an undefeated Miami team in the Fiesta Bowl.

		- Rob


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: traynor@fnalo.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:58:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep10.225831.23572@convex.com>, Rob Gordon <rgordon@convex.COM> writes:
> In article <1992Sep10.215758.26591@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
> :In article <ASH.92Sep10162023@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
> :
> :You will from me, at least.  I really don't understand why Notre Dame
> :fans are bashing Michigan fans, and visa versa.  As a Notre Dame fan,
> :I always look forward to the Michigan game because I know it will be
> :a hardfought, exciting game against a great opponent.  That's why winning
> :it is so sweet, when we do.  When we don't, it's disappointing, but at
> :least we have the consolation of having lost to one of the best.  I have
> :nothing but respect for Michigan and its program.
> 
> As a grad and big Irish fan, I second this. Two teams I don't
> mind losing two (well, sorta) are Mich and Penn State. Now, Miami,
> that is another story...
> 
> 
I agree with this statement with PSU.  I've always respected Penn State foot
ball, I'd just wish we'd win more often.  I'm glad we're playing them at home 
this year.   

             				-Mike Traynor


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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hmmm  Texas to Big 10!!!
Keywords: n
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:42:00 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>>The Big-8 or the SEC are much more logical for Texas geographically, and
>>only the Big-8 is logical in terms of conference size.
>>
>>-Mike Noonan
>>
>     This only makes sense.  I have been waiting for someone to mention
>     it.  The AD's of the two conferences have been meeting now for
>     over a year to try and improve cooperation in scheduling and
>     maximize exposure.  I would not be susprised to seem some type
>     of merger at some point in the future.
>
>                                   Preston Carrier

I think the Big 8 and the SWC have been feeling out each other the 
last few years...  Witness the increase in non-conference scheduling
between the 2 (in the last 3 years, A&M has added home and home series
with Missouri, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Colorado; all to occur before
2000), also, other sports have been involved, A&M going to Mizzou to
play basketball a couple of times, home and home baseball series.
Colorado seems to be making the rounds with the SWC (Texas, Baylor,
Tech, A&M)  I have a feeling that an alliance of some sort will occur;
probably just enough at first to get tv interest, ie Texas-Oklahoma,
A&M-Oklahoma, Nebraska-A&M, Nebraska-Texas, ....  I think the 
conferences will wait and see the outcome of the SEC deal before 
getting all the way into the water.

cmuck
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 13 Sep 1992 19:10:00 CDT
From: <U32431@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Michigan-ND

Lou, Lou, Lou.  What were you thinking in the last minute of the Michigan-ND
game?  Playing for a tie, eh Lou?  What does that do to the polls on Monday and
Tuesday?  Does that mean Michigan and ND are tied at, say, fifth, with Miami,
Washington, Florida, and Florida State ahead?
Speculation, Lou.  Let's say ND and Michigan go undefeated into the bowls (a
real possibility for Michigan, a little tougher for you Lou), and let's say Mia
mi or Florida or FSU has a loss.  Wouldn't Michigan have to be rated above ND
at bowl time? After all, that tie did occur in South Bend.  You lose points for
that one Lou.  Lou, Lou, Lou.  Read my lips Lou...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: retrac@vesuvius.cs.rice.edu (John Carter)
Subject: Re: Texas-Syracuse.   Good game, but..  :-(
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:40:49 GMT

In article <2AB3FEAA.29634@news.service.uci.edu> jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>
>  Sigh..racuse 31  -  Texas 21.  Oh well..  What can I say ?
>
>  UT loses another game that they could have won. So, what's new ?...
>
>  Did any of you think that Syracuse pushing the ball in from 2 yards
>  with 7 seconds to go with a lead already, and with Texas having no
>  time-outs left, was a little (not much, though..) unclassy ?..

It did seem a little sleazy, but you know that the Syracuse coach was
thinking about his team's national ranking, knowing that most of the voters
just look at the final score, so you can't blame him much.

>  Frankly I was surprised to see the improvement that the Horns offense
>  showed from the previous week. But, I have to say this. I don't think
>  it helps to continue with Gardere. He was not pressured all that much
>  and a better quarterback would have won this game.

>  Anyone in Austin
>  has heard anything about when we will start seeing Shea Morenz ?.

Well, here in Houston it doesn't sound like he'll be getting the nod any
time soon.  Mackovic sounds pretty committed to Gardere for the moment,
claiming that he has a better feel for the `system'.  Then again, I don't
follow them *that* closely.

>  Heard that Miss State had 8 turnovers in this week's loss !   Why didnt
>  they do that against Texas ? Come to think of it, nobody seems to have
>  had more than 3 turnovers against Texas in the last 7 years (except OU
>  once perhaps !). Wonder why Texas never seems to get many breaks...

How can any Longhorn complain about breaks when...  What?  Oh.

>  except may be against Rice...

Oh, ok, so you DO remember the games that you've had gifted recently.  I
will never forget that bogus touchdown call that cost Rice the win and
probably a winning season and a bowl game (if I have my year's right).  It
would've been the biggest win I'd ever seen by Rice (although last year's
subsequent upset of #13 Baylor was sweet :-).

At this point I'm rooting for all the SWC team, even the Aggies, just to
help with the conference's image.  I think Rice will be pretty good this
year, but it does look like nobody but the Aggies is particularly powerful.

-- 
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Thesis hacking Owl, soon to be Ute.  Move over Salt Lake, here he comes!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: UMich-ND bickering (was Re: ND's DuBose Situation)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:56:43 GMT

In article <bMr-5f-@engin.umich.edu>, hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
>In article <9209081530.AA23575@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
> 
>>14-9 is a very nice record to have against a team, especially
>>if that team is Notre Dame.  However, it loses some of it's
>>importance (in current analysis) when you realize that 6 of
>>the last 7 were won by Notre Dame.  I don't know, but it
>>seemed to me that someone who's team had lost 6 of 7 shouldn't
>>be running around saying, "when will you 'finally start to
>>*win* some'."
|> 
|> Please, try to get the facts before making a fool of yourself.
|> The series restarted in 1985:
|> 
|> Michigan Won: 1985, 1986, 1991
|> Notre Dame Won: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990

That first victory by Michigan over ND doesn't count because I think that it
might have been while Faust was coaching there. 

|> JMH

-- 

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Subject: Re: ACC Games this week.
From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:41:13 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Vitro Corporation

In article <1992Sep9.231234.8302@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu
(John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>>}NORTH CAROLINA STATE AT MARYLAND:
>>}NC State 21 Maryland 7 
>>
>>NC State's offense is clicking right now - I'll guess they'll score
>>more points than that, maybe even a score or two by the defense:
>>NC State 31, Maryland 12.
>
>I think I'll go between you on this one. NC State 28, MD 10. I think
>Kaleo's proficiency with the R&S in his first game was overestimated.
>yeah, he set a school record for passes completed (32), but he threw
>50+ times, and he only got 270 yards (< 10 yards a carry). most of his
                                       a.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>copmpletions were sideways to a receiver taking a few steps BACKWARDS
>(I thought one or two of the dropped ones should have been FUMBLES),
  b.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>or shovel passes (from which he got all of his yards--UVa's LBs are
>good, but not fast, and they dropped off the line after the snap
>quickly).
>

In response:

a. The R&S IS a short passing approach. The idea is to flood the defense with
receivers, make the read, and pass quickly. It's the ultimate
nickle-and-dime-to-death offense. However, Kaleo is not my choice at QB.

b. Since when does bouncing the ball off the receiver's chest constitute a
fumble ? :)

NC State is the definite favorite in this game, but the Terps should make it
closer than expected (the line is only 8.5).

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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: The Woof Police
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:55:29 GMT

Due to the intense net-traffic consisting of woofs/anti-woofs, concerns
in some circles have been growing about potential violations of
"truthfulness in advertising" statutes, in that they may now apply to
woofing.  In a Ralph Nader-like effort, we shall seek to expose those
who seek to mislead the USENET public with false claims and misinformation.

** for now, offenders will be kept anonymous **



One violation in the making ...

To quote:

"Well, I could say it, but it would be rather ridiculous since Georgia *will*
go 12-0, and Georgia *will* win the SEC-East, and Georgia will thump both
Florida and GaTech on its way there."

claim #1 has already been proven false.  The remaining 3 claims still wait
to be verified.



Borderline violation.

"I'd say that there is a 99.9% chance that Clemson will go undefeated
this year..."

Well, that did leave a 0.1% chance, but in advertising terms, the general
public perceives 99.9% as about 100%.  Watch it next time!



Blatant violation.

"Look for more SC victories over 1-A opponents this season starting next week,
when Appalachian St. defeats Wake Forest."  (it was close, however)



Stay tuned for future violations :)

go jackets!
-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
"The 'wall of separation of church and state' is a metaphor based on bad
 history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging.  It should
 be frankly and explicity abandoned." - Chief Justice William Rehnquist
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: For those of you who haven't heard...
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 04:57:30 GMT

It happened.

It's true.

I'm not lying.

The Citadel defeated Arkansas by the score of 10-3, Saturday.

The Citadel is 5-1 against Division I-A opponents in recent years.

Details in the Palmetto Football Tuesday #2, on the net September 8th.
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:49:04 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE92Sep12.171012@asp.inmet> johndoe@asp.inmet (johndoe) writes:
>
>i have put up with lou holtz's whining and playing up to opponents for a
>long time, but this last move i consider to be pretty low.  if i were an ap
>voter whose vote counts toward the mnc, i would count the game in the end as
>a loss for notre dame rather than a tie.  never mind that notre dame
>probably should have won the game going away if it weren't for their
>turnovers.

Apparently, you're an AP voter. It seems to me that ND's tie was
treated like a loss by the voters as ND dropped from 3 to 7 below
Michigan. They deserved to. What has really suprised me is that FSU
jumped from number 5 ahead of Florida to number 3. Lovely poll this
week. Florida teams now have three of the top four positions with only
wash in the way. The Seminole win over clemson this weekend was
certainly not as picturesque as the gators win over kentucky. But a
hell of a lot more tense to watch. I thought they had lost it two or
three times. If Ward can tighten up a little he could be a very very
good qb. Maybe the best in the state.


Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu

BTW, UCF won over BCC this weekend in a game I didn't see. I stayed
home and watched FSU. 50 wins for coach gene. Yes I'm beside myself
with joy for him.