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From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: LYNX SUKX
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:47:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.200629.2936@gacvx2.gac.edu> mkleczka@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
>I own a LYNX and I havent played it in six months. I own four good, fun games,
>but I dont see any new ones coming out anytime soon.
>
>I am trading it in for a Genesis.
    [... ]
>I am turning over a new leaf.

[begin sarcasm]

Gosh!  If Matt is getting rid of his, I guess I'll get rid of mine too!
Come on everyone!  Let's be cool like Matt!

[end sarcasm]

Sorry, just always fascinated by people who feel a need to tell others
about _their_ private (and unsolicited) game machine decisions.
I's a shame this guy hasn't played his in six months, there have been
some good releases in that period...

Don
P.S. Yes, I know that the next post will be from someone who is fascinated
by people who make (unsolicited) comments on people's unsolicited posts. :-)
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From: tmkst6+@pitt.edu (Theodore M Kostek)
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
Subject: Jaguar, Falcon, Atari generally
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:51:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: tmkst6@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu

I hate to contribute to a thread that I consider to be in the wrong
place, but I don't see it going away soon and I would like to voice this 
little gripe of mine, so....

I haven't been following this thread too closely, so I may be 
rehashing old ground; I apologize in advance.

What I want to know about the Atari Jaguar is simple (as far as I can
see): will it be supported/advertised.  I own an Atari ST and while I like
the machine and have been really impressed with it, I feel like I got 
cheated in certain respects.  Of course Atari can't be totally blamed if 
it just didn't catch on, but I can't remember ever having seen ads for it, and
software is, well, let me say difficult to acquire.  I suppose there
is the European mail order stuff, but really, is it too much to ask 
for just one big chain to carry stuff?  

As for the Lynx - well, of course there is a pretty good library, 
and near me the availabilty is good, though not great.  Still, I don't 
feel that Atari markets it well.  I can remember _one_ ad for the Lynx, aside 
from the hype things they send out, but since you only get those if you 
already own a Lynx I can't see counting that.  Recently there have been
a couple posts about people seeing some ads.  I'm excited of course, but
all I can say is it's about time.  

I don't care how amazing a system's hardware is, if there isn't software, 
it sucks.  There won't be software if there isn't a large market.  Now 
normally you invoke a "vicious circle" type thing here, but let me say 
that the manufacturer needs pour out lotsa effort to get both of those
done intially.  They don't just happen (at least not in the current 
computer market) no matter what Atari execs think.  

Basically, I am of the opinion that Atari must not have a marketing 
division.  Or if it does, they all need fired yesterday.



				TEd

ps send all flames e-mail; I always hate to sort through tons of stuff
when I read the groups, and I assume that everyone else does, too
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
From: xetwnk@shell.portal.com (Chris F Chiesa)
Subject: Re: Battlewheels
Summary: Ignorance
Organization: Portal Communications Company
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:35:25 GMT


Battlewheels sounds great -- but where does one obtain it?

Also, anyone in the Rochester, NY area reading this?  I have no one with
whom to Lynx Up for purposes of enjoying multiplayer games...

Chris Chiesa
  xetwnk@shell.portal.com
From: charriso@gssec.bt.uk.co
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
Subject: Re: Robotron (was Re: Galaga)
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:06:40 GMT
	<Ef9iBq200VQoEG5ZAQ@andrew.cmu.edu> <Bz1snL.Gos@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Organization: /homedir/charriso/.organization

In article <Bz1snL.Gos@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> msmaa@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Anderson) writes:
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   From: msmaa@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Anderson)
   Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
   Date: 10 Dec 92 14:38:09 GMT
   References: <1992Dec8.005618.21485@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <ByyJnv.FD@python.cs.unm.edu> <Ef9iBq200VQoEG5ZAQ@andrew.cmu.edu>
   Organization: Educational Computing Network
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   Just curious, what are some of the highest levels achieved on this game.
   I'd just like proof that I really am that poor of a player.  :)  I think
   I've gotten to level 8.   Ah well.

   I do like it, but I can't get the hang of it, yet.

   Mark
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx,rec.games.video
From: wjc@fssun09.dev.oclc.org (William J. Curry)
Subject: Re: (Lynx)Is Baseball Hero any good?
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:21:57 GMT

jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
: In article <1992Dec10.025635.5099@wam.umd.edu> Sze Yuen Hong,
: dhong@wam.umd.edu writes:
: >I am thinking about picking up this cart, it seems that most recent Lynx
: >titles are not that good, so how is this cart? How do it compare to
: >games on Genesis like RBI 3 and Sports Talk Baseball? Or even old World Class
: >Baseball on TG16?
: 
: I think it's on the right track, but doesn't quite work -- the fielding is
: just way too hard and unneccessarily so.  Primarily the problem I have in
: fielding is with the left and right fielders in which your view is from the
: side.  I find it impossible to judge and I rarely catch the ball.  Why they
: didn't use a straight on view is beyond me. 

After playing BH for several hours, I have gotten accustomed to the fielding.
In fact, I'm now glad they made it this way.  I don't like baseball games
where it is so easy to field that you go into the 13th inning with the score
tied 0-0.  I can also appreciate it being more difficult to catch in left or
right field (a very low percentage of the balls go to left or right
field compared to the number that go to center field).  (Something to
remember when fielding - the ball changes in size (pulsates) which can
make it difficult to tell where it is on the ground.  Go to where the
ball was when it was small and fielding is much easier.)

Overall, BH is an enjoyable game.  The things that bug me the most are:

- the lack of the infield fly rule.  If you have a runner on first and
  hit a popup in the infield you're screwed.  You can get around this
  by stealing second (players with speed of 3 or 4 can always safely 
  steal second), or by executing the hit and run.

- a bug with advancing on a pop fly.  If you have a slow runner and try
  to advance him on a pop fly, he must make it to the next base before
  the pitcher gets the ball.  Otherwise, he will be sent back to the
  base he came from.  (For example, slow runner on third, pop fly, wait
  for the outfielder to catch the ball, then send the runner home.  If
  the runner makes it to home before the pitcher gets the ball it's 
  a run scored.  Otherwise, the runner is put back on third base.)

So far, I haven't had the chance to lynx-up.  I'm hoping to do so over
Christmas.


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Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
Subject: Re: 1-800-BATMAN?
From: jlkershner@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Kersh!)
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:15:45 -0500
Followup-To: alt.games.lynx 
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Dec11.181500.6706@netcom.com>, clarka@netcom.com (Andrew Clark) writes:
> I <still> haven't gotten my "free" Batman Returns cartridge yet.
> Someone posted earlier that Atari had set up a 1-800 number for people
> who hadn't gotten it yet.  Whoever it was, please post it!
> 

I just called the 1-800 number listed for ordering a lynx and they said I would 
have to talk to their customer service about it.  The number is:

	(408)745-2098

I will be calling tonight after work to find out what the deal is.

Bye for now,

   Jen
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
From: robby@elephant.cns.udel.edu (Robert Spotts)
Subject: Back Doors
Reply-To: robby@elephant.cns.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:42:06 GMT


	Many months ago when I first started reading the newsgroup, someone
	posted a list of "back doors" for various Lynx games.  Could someone
	please post this list again....

	Thanks
	Rob

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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx,rec.games.video
Subject: Re: No new Lynx games for Xmas - optimistic view
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:19:25 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1h0eekINN2em@aludra.usc.edu>

Robert Jung writes:
>  Maybe there _will_ be a few new titles out right before the 25th...
 
RJ.. do you really think Aunt Martha will hang on breathlessly until
right before the "25th" to buy you the latest Lynx games..?

Or more realistically, don't you thing she'll buy you a new pair of
"101 dalmations" boxer shorts and let Atari games go hang..?
 
What kind of marketing would wait until the *last possible minute*
before releasing *new* products into the Christmas marketplace..?
 
Nintendo seems to know... Sega seems to know.. even NEC seems to know..
why is it that brain abberations are only endemic to Atari..?
 
Nintendo will sell *zillions* of games this Christmas season.. 
Sega will sell *thousands* of games this Christmas season..
NEC will sell *thousands* of games this Christmas season..
 
And Atari..?
 
Well, the big January 25th selling season is still coming.. 
 
BobR
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx,rec.games.video
From: plucky@ais.org (Chris Adamson)
Subject: Re: No new Lynx games for Xmas - optimistic view
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:51:47 GMT

In article <BLK.92Dec19102129@vanity.mitre.org> blk@mitre.org (Brian L. Kahn) writes:
>
>Have y'all noticed how many games seem to be poised for release just
>after christmas?  Some really good ones in the pipeline, coming maybe
>1st quarter '93.  Here's an optimistic view.
>
>FACT:  Atari *wants* to release a bunch of new games right now. 
>Or maybe a few weeks back.  Christmas sales of lynxen would surely
>benefit from a bunch of new games, especially after a bunch of dull
>games and a long hiatus of no games.  Even ATARI MARKETING cannot be
>so dumb that they don't see the benefit of this. 
>
	Perhaps they're not that dumb, but I can certainly believe
they're that inept, i.e. incapable on successfully following through
on their intentions.  I'm sure they wanted the ST to be a success back
in the mid-80's, but they did things like developing the Atari PC
instead of working on getting market share for the ST.

	Maybe your hypothetical "let's not release lame games" meeting
[omitted from this follow-up] actually happened, but if the Game Gear
wipes the Lynx off the face of the earth this holiday season, good
games in '93 won't make a damn bit of difference.

	It hardly inspires confidence to see a system that's been on
the market for YEARS have such a tepid and miniscule software release
schedule.  If I were buying now, I think I would have a very hard time
banking $79.99 on the proposition that Atari might (for once) not suck.

	But then again, it looks like Atari has set itself up for big
sales during the traditional Presidents Day gift-giving season  ;-(

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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx,rec.games.video,comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: No new Lynx games for Xmas - optimistic view
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:49:24 GMT
Organization: Southern California Lynx Enthusiasts
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <72075@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>Robert Jung writes:
>> [Stuff about several more Lynx titles expected to arrive to stores
>> before December 25th deleted]
>>
>>  Maybe there _will_ be a few new titles out right before the 25th...
> 
>RJ.. do you really think Aunt Martha will hang on breathlessly until
>right before the "25th" to buy you the latest Lynx games..?

  Bob, I already own every title out there. Having Aunt Martha buy me a
Lynx title I don't own is tougher than making Dan Quayle look competent.  B-)

  (Okay, Quayle jokes are passe now, but it's not the new administration yet,
so why not?)

>What kind of marketing would wait until the *last possible minute*
>before releasing *new* products into the Christmas marketplace..?
> 
>Nintendo seems to know... Sega seems to know.. even NEC seems to know..
>why is it that brain abberations are only endemic to Atari..?

  Bob, long-time Atari watchers like you and I (come over and let me show you
my once-brand-new Atari 800 computer sometime) know that the Jack Tramiel
Atari Corp. has problems with marketing and promotions. I don't claim to know
exactly why Atari competes "on the cheap", though the lack of finances to
spend on advertising is a good possibility.

  But calling it "brain abberations"? That's a cheap shot, Bob. The fact that
Atari manages to _still_ be alive after all this time indicates that they're
not total morons at the top (ask the federal government how many ineptly-run
businesses collapse after their first year). The company's treading water,
which isn't as great as leading the pack, but also beats drowning, too.

  (And before we think Atari has no skills whatsoever in handling the Lynx, I
just want to say two words: BATMAN RETURNS. TV commercials, heavy advertising,
movie tie-in, game released _right_before_ the movie premiers...if I didn't
see it, I wouldn't believe it)

  Followups to comp.sys.atari.st; I don't defend Atari's actions, but there is
a line between constructive criticism and slander.

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-) 

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Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
From: positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas)
Subject: Question...
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:14:05 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I'm just wondering, here... did Atari learn all it knows about
marketing from Commodore?

-- 
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\    /  University of Michigan   | his kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart, firm-
/_  _\  positron@engin.umich.edu | fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and
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Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx,rec.games.video
Subject: Re: No new Lynx games for Xmas - optimistic view
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:40:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Brian L. Kahn writes:

[...]
>Even ATARI MARKETING cannot be so dumb that they don't see the benefit
>of this. 


Don't bet too much on that..  your hypothetical conversation is logical,
and could indeed have been exactly what transpired..  BUT..
 
What do you think are the odds of it happening EVERY YEAR for the past
three or four years in a row..?
 
To "Atari Marketing", the Christmas selling season doesn't seem to be
any different than the previously mentioned big "President's Day"
marathon gift giving season..

Who knows.. maybe Aunt Martha will give you "Joust" for Ground Hog's Day..

BobR
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
From: xetwnk@shell.portal.com (Chris F Chiesa)
Subject: I'm back... and a possibly dumb question.
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:41:59 GMT

Hello all!

   Well, I've just now returned to the world of Lynx-lovers-on-the-Net, 
for the first time since this group ceased being a mailing-list and turned
into a bona fide newsgroup.  That alone tells you I haven't been keeping up
on things, so hopefully you'll be more forgiving if this next bit makes 
me sound like an idiot.

   Whatever happened to Lemmings for the Lynx?  The last "new releases pre-
view" list I got from the Lynx mailing-list 'way back when, listed Lemmings
as coming out in November (1992).  I haven't seen it, nobody here is talking
about it, and -- worst of all -- nobody seems to particularly MISS it.  What
happened?

   Even without Lemmings, "it's nice to be back."  Talk to you again soon!

Chris Chiesa
  xetwnk@shell.portal.com / Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
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From: broganmi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael "Slar" Brogan)
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx,rec.games.video
Subject: WANTED: Lynx Games
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:09:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Hello netland.  I am interested in obtaining a few used (or new if you really
hated the game) lynx games.  I'm sure that more than a few of you have old games
just sitting around waiting to be used.  Well, here's your chance to get rid
of them.  All games must include the instructions (I hate renting a game
without any and I certainly wouldn't want to own one!), and be in working
condition (I have no idea why people always put that in their posts, but why
break tradition? :-) ).  Reply soon, since I only have until Saturday before
I lose access to this account.  

Here are the games I'm looking for:

Chip's Challenge
Gates of Zendocon
Rampart
Robotron 2084
Todd's Adventures
Xybots

It's a sellers market, but I won't pay more than $15-$20 per game (depending
on which game it is)

Hopefully, at least somebody is tired of one of these games already and is
willing to sell it.

Thanks, and act soon!  Time's runnung out!

--
                                               Mike
                                                 broganmi@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx
From: miq@sunroof.mentorg.com (Miq Millman)
Subject: Original Lynx power woes....
Originator: miq@sunroof
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:11:14 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation; Beaverton, Oregon
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

I saw someone in a recent article mention that there was a known bug with
intermitant power problems on the original style Lynx.

The other night I tryed to use my Lynx and I couldn't get it to turn on.

Some background:

1) I never use batteries, always the AC adapter

2) It was working just 36 hours before it wouldn't

3) I left the adapter plugged into the Lynx and into the wall socket during
said 36 hours of non use.

4) I tried batteries that were tested with a DMM and found to be 1.5+ volts
each

5) I opened the back and checked for burnt wires etc, but found nothing


Any ideas?

I really don't want to have to get a new Lynx, first its $80 I don't need to
spend right now, second, I prefer the circular direction pad of the original
to the newer plus direction pad.

Help me, help me, help me!   I have 23 games that I can no longer use!


Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx,rec.games.video
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: No new Lynx games for Xmas - optimistic view
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:19:40 GMT

In article <BzIMuD.JxI@ais.org>, plucky@ais.org (Chris Adamson) writes:
>	Perhaps they're not that dumb, but I can certainly believe
>they're that inept, i.e. incapable on successfully following through
>on their intentions.  I'm sure they wanted the ST to be a success back
>in the mid-80's, but they did things like developing the Atari PC
>instead of working on getting market share for the ST.
>
>...
>	It hardly inspires confidence to see a system that's been on
>the market for YEARS have such a tepid and miniscule software release
>schedule.  If I were buying now, I think I would have a very hard time
>banking $79.99 on the proposition that Atari might (for once) not suck.
>

I gave up on Atari a few years back.  I supported Atari so much, starting with
the good 'ol 2600 (ie. the best Atari supported machine *by* Atari ever),
moving up to the 600/800XL machines, which had initial support until Atari
decided to just ignore their existence, and finally ended up with the Atari
1040ST, which IMHO, really recieved *no* support from Atari.  If a company
won't support its own product, who else will?  This was my last straw with
Atari, and after all those years of being loyal to Atari (only the Timex
Sinclair 1000 broke the Atari monotany), I finally got tired of constantly
being slapped in the face and purchased a Sega Genesis last year.  And once I
get out of college and have some money, the ST will be jioning my computer
graveyard.  You'd think Atari would learn by know, but it seems like the Lynx
owners may be the next group to get the good 'ol backhand.

                                            TER........

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From: chinman+@CMU.EDU (Chinarut Ruangchotvit)
Newsgroups: alt.games.lynx,rec.games.video
Subject: Re: Whaddabout the so-called Jaguar? (was Re: Atari)
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:44:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kf_ah0O00VBLQaf0o0
	<NBXiVB37w165w@mantis.co.uk>
Distribution: world
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> No, it isn't.  In fact, 24-bit is better colour resolution than the average
> TV or monitor can manage.  However, if you have extra colour planes you can
> use them for masking and other effects.

Generally, "home" systems like the SNES and Genesis (and even the
Neo-Geo) readily hook up to a normal TV even though they do have the
capability to hook up to RGB.  If the Jaguar has 24-bit, people will
want to take advantage of it and use their existing monitor or have
enough dough to run out and get one when purchasing the system.  Now
that's extra overhead that I think will cause the Jaguar to fall into
the niche that the Neo-Geo has.  They could still have the ole RF
adapter included but it seems like you would be missing out on quite a
bit for it to be worth while.

--
Chinarut Ruangchotvit
<cr2p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
<chinman+@cmu.edu>

	"Learning that we're only immortal - for a limited time"
							-Rush, Dreamline
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