From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:07:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.225215.26937@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>20,000 Taiwanese-ge around 1949.  Then, he could then have concluded that he
>didn't want to have anything to do with Chinese-cu culture.
Then, you expect Americans to deny American culture because of slavery of
Africans, or Japanese to deny Japanese culture because of WW2 atrocities.
or Germans to deny German culture because of their WW2 atrocities, or ....

>I give people the benefit of the doubt until they make comments like
>"Chinese-ge = Chinese-cu", "Japanese-(ge-)Americans do the Japanese-cu
>'thing' because they are Japanese-ge", etc.
Oh is that right?  Wherein did I EVER say that culture and genetics is
irrevocably  attached, or an X-genetic should do the X-cultured thing.

There is also a difference between stating that someone will have
a specific culture because they have been raised in it, then to advocate 
that the should simply of genetics.  The former of which I have never
stated, and is quite against.  So where do you get off giving me 
attitude.  Like I've said before, I merely disagreed with you which was
enough for you make up your mind. Never had I stated any of what you
accuse people of so often.

>If someone makes comments like this, I tend to think that he is Chinese-cu,
>regardless of his ethnicity.  There are non-Chinese-ge Chinese-cu.
Oh really, I've heard both Germans and Japanese, assert that their
nationality was a race within itself. It COULDN'T be there own culture
that gave them that idea, NO ITS CHINESE culture. Like even though they
may never have any contact with chinese culture.

>I know of no one, except Chinese-cu people, who believe that #1 and #2
>are true.  Ms. Shum is an example of someone who believes in #1 and #2.
Again just because you don't know any, or close your eyes to it,
doesn't prove a thing.

>I care very much about Chinese-ge children--in fact, all children.
>I challenge Ms. Shum to find me the place where I even remotely criticize
>Chinese-ge children.
>Unless she fabricates something, she won't be able to find anything of
>the sort.  I am fairly confident that some Chinese-ge children have been
>helped by the charities to which I have donated.
So do us all a favour, tell us about your charitable actions and
leave the hatred in your diary or therapist, OK?


>Chotto.  Shum-san wa chuugokujin(-cu) mitai desu nee.  Doobutsu no yoo ni
>kangaetari yattari suru kara.
Oop oop oop! Am I talking like a chinese culture baboon now??
;)

>Chuugokujin(-cu) wa ningen no yoo ni kangaetari yattari shi sae sureba
>sekai wa motto ii naru deshoo.  
You're being too modest. 
You should have said "sekai wa motto ii naru ni chigai arimasen".
Why go half way?  Civility has never stoped you before.

>Demo ima chuugokujin(-cu) wa hantai desu.
>Hontoo ni taihen warui hito da.
Well you should talk!

>Chuugokujin(-cu) no kodomo wa chuugokujin no ryooshin to hanarete Nikkeijin
>ya Doitsu-Amerikajin nado no kazoku to sunda hoo ga ii yo.  Kodomo wa 
>ii ryooshin ni sodaterareta hoo ga ii desu kara.  Hontoo desu yo.
Wish fulfillment, If I ever saw it myself. TOO BAD YOU CAN'T LIVE
YOUR LIFE OVER, EH DWIGHT?  Oh, but if you hurry the adoption agency
might still take you, considering your mental age. 

You forget you aren't the only one here who speaks Japanese, so
pulling that trick isnt going to stop the flaming from me!


RT